To Do List To Denver

A day too late, Obama trotted out the sad figure of John Edwards to cover up the humiliation Obama suffered in West Virginia.

Obama was humiliated in West Virginia. West Virginia rejected Obama, massively, despite all the attempts by Big Media to stuff Obama down their throats.

We never had much use for John Edwards. We never really bothered to write much about him. Only rarely during the campaign did we take note of his efforts.

It is possible that John Edwards might have had some influence if he had endorsed a candidate before the North Carolina primary. But John Edwards missed his chance by not endorsing before North Carolina. Big Media, not the voters, will be the only one impressed by today’s Edwards endorsement.

To us the John Edwards endorsement typifies what bothered us about John Edwards – he does what is easy. When the Iraq war was popular, John Edwards co-sponsored the Iraq authorization legislation. When big financial industry companies wanted a bankruptcy bill, John Edwards was there for them. The average joe and jane, the “little guy” had little clout in those talks.

When John Edwards was running for president however, John Edwards repudiated his entire past. John Edwards became the “I’m sorry” and the “I was wrong” candidate. On co-sponsoring the Iraq authorization legislation Edwards said “I was wrong.” On voting for the retrograde bankruptcy bill Edwards said “I was wrong.”

In months to come, prepare yourselves, John Edwards will say about his Obama endorsement: “I’m sorry. I was wrong”.

The endorsement by Edwards presents a major opportunity:

Clearly Obama trotted Edwards out today to change the conversation from the trouncing West Virginia handed him. More importantly, Superdelegates and the reality community realize that Obama has a big problem with white working class voters. So today Obama trotted out John Edwards to try to communicate with white working class voters. Obama wants to woo the white working class by proxy.

John Edwards as ambassador from Obama to the white working class will be as successful as ambassador Ted Kennedy when he was sent to woo the Latino community. John Edwards as ambassador from Obama to the white working class will be as successful as Ted Kennedy and John Kerry when they begged their own Massachusetts constitutents to vote for Obama.

Obama can trot out all the show horses he wants to get votes for him – but it won’t work. The problem is Obama. Obama is unelectable.

Which brings us to the major opportunity: John Edwards’ assignment will be to go to Kentucky on behalf of Obama to try to placate and fool white working class voters. A Hillary victory in Kentucky will demonstrate to Superdelegates, again, that white working class voters will not vote for Obama – no matter how many circus attractions Obama sends out on his behalf.

So now, in Kentucky, Obama and Edwards will have to prove once and for all that they are not reviled by white working class voters. If John Edwards cannot deliver Kentucky to Obama, Superdelegates will once again know that Obama will not get white working class votes – period. Obama is unelectable.

Hillary will make her case personally to Kentucky voters. Hillary will not need circus attractions and clowns from outside Kentucky. Hillary and those who know Kentucky best will make her case in Kentucky:

After a landslide victory in West Virginia, the Clinton Campaign today announced that former Kentucky Governors Wendell Ford, Paul Patton, John Brown, and Julian Carroll are endorsing Hillary for President. The endorsements demonstrate the widespread support Hillary continues to receive throughout the Bluegrass State.

“The Presidency is the hardest job in the world and the American people deserve a leader who can rise to the challenge,” said former Governor Wendell Ford. “In the thirty years I have known Hillary, she has consistently proven she can deliver results. Whether fighting to reform our nation’s health care system or offering a responsible solution to ending the War in Iraq, Hillary has proven time and again she has what it takes to get the job done.”

“The people of Kentucky need a President who has the strength, experience, and leadership to lead on day one,” said former Governor Julian Carroll. “My friendship with Hillary goes back more than 30 years and I know she’ll make a fine President. Hillary is the leader that Kentucky needs and I look forward to helping deliver victory for her on Tuesday.”

“I am proud to support Hillary today,” said former Governor John Y. Brown. “I had the opportunity to serve with President Clinton and I got to know Hillary as a person. With the complex problems that have been created over the last eight years, I would feel most comfortable with Hillary because she has the skills and experience to handle them.”

“I am honored to have the support of these distinguished Kentucky governors, and look forward to working with them to jumpstart the economy and rebuild the middle class,” Clinton said.

* * *

Berkeley Vox has it right once again:

To Do List:

1) Make calls for Hillary, to Oregon and Kentucky voters: http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/

2) Donate! If you’re maxed out or strapped for cash, ask 5 of your friends and family to donate to Hillary

3) Blog! Get the word out, here, on other sites, and in letters to the editor to big Oregon and Kentucky newspapers. Talk about the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan, and the unfair treatment of those states’ voters by Dean and the DNC. New Hampshire and South Carolina moved their primaries, but received preferential treatment and weren’t punished at all.

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815 thoughts on “To Do List To Denver

  1. first?

    Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President

    so lets piss off the media and show them, its the voters who count, not pundits and hollow endorsements.

  2. ADMIN……GREAT article!

    this one line says it all….IMHO

    “Obama can trot out all the show horses he wants to get votes for him – but it won’t work. The problem is Obama. Obama is unelectable.”

  3. I have to say i love you all………on the previous post your all so funny gyrating picking basil up off the floor and all….LOL!!!

    I’m there with ya !

  4. ClintonDem,

    Thanks for your take in prior thread.

    I prefer her to fight and get all of her issues on the platform by winning!

    Pastor Manning for VP!

  5. We’re not done, we just had a huge win last night. HUGE. We will have a huge win in Kentucky, we will get MI and FL delegates and votes at the end of the month. We have a chance, we can’t let Hillary down, she’s fighting for us, we’ll continue fighting for her.

  6. The we’ll all meet at the convention, figure a way to get us all there, and have our voices heard. We’ll all wear pink, big pink. Even the men? LOL

  7. Pissed off about the NARAL endorsement? me too!

    Log into hillaryrapidresponders.com


    NARAL’s Endorsement: Media Advisory from Clinton Campaign and Take Action Tips

    On the day, Senator Obama receives NARAL’s endorsement, he uses the term “Sweetie” when addressing a female journalist.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/Juy9NwI8_i0&hl

    Great vetting by NARAL!

    Ways to Take Action:

    Participate in a live webchat on Friday, May 16 at 3:00pm Eastern (12:00pm Pacific) with Elizabeth Shipp and Nancy Keenan on why NARAL endorsed Barack Obama.
    Submit your questions by Thursday, May 15 to get priority status.

    Submit questions here – h t t p : / /chat.prochoiceamerica.org/content/interview/detail/1664/

    Post your comments here: http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/feedback.html and choose “Unsubscribe from Email” or “Donation Question” on the dropdown for the Subject category.

    Post comments here: http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2008/05/naral-prochoice-6.html

    Withdraw your membership dues – have NARAL charge back your credit card with your contribution amount.

    Have all your Pro-Choice and Hillary Supporter friends write to the National NARAL office – field@ProChoiceAmerica.org

    Leave a verbal message at the National NARAL office – (202) 973-3000
    ***MEDIA ADVISORY***

    6:15 p.m. TONIGHT: Members of Congress To Hold Press Conference On Hillary’s Strong Pro-Choice Record

    Clinton National Campaign Co-Chair Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones and other Members of Congress will hold a press conference at 6:15 p.m. EDT tonight to discuss Hillary Clinton’s strong pro-choice record.

    Members voicing their support today for Clinton’s advocacy on behalf of a woman’s right to choose include, Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, Rep. Nita Lowey, Rep. Jane Harman, Rep. Diane Watson, Rep. Diana DeGette, Rep. Doris Matsui, Rep. Laura Richardson, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, Rep. Louise Slaughter, Rep. Allyson Schwartz, Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, Rep. Corrine Brown, Rep. Yvette Clarke, Rep. Darlene Hooley, Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard, Rep. Linda Sanchez, Rep. Tammy Baldwin, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, Rep. Hilda Solis, Rep. Nydia Velazquez, Rep. Betty Sutton, Rep. Grace Napolitano and Rep. Shelley Berkley.

    Wednesday, May 14
    6:15 p.m. EDT

    Members of Congress Discuss Hillary’s Strong Pro-Choice Record

    Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee
    Second Floor Conference Room
    430 South Capitol Street
    Washington, DC

    TOGETHER, WE WILL WIN!

    Stay updated: http://www.hillaryresponders.com

  8. You naughty people are getting us in hot water again. You keep getting things done. Don’t you know being active gets us in trouble? 🙂

    Let’s follow Berkeley Vox’s advice as outlined in our article.

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

    As with contacting Superdelegates now Big Pink is getting “blamed” for the problems at NARAL:

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/naral_pca_members_outraged_at_obama_endorsement.php

    “From their own members and readers of their blog. Try to find more than a handful of comments to their PAC endorsement post that aren’t angry…

    (Note: some of the swarm appears to be directed…[LINK to HillaryIs44])

    N, Miller: “I have never been so disgusted. How dare you claim to represent pro-choice women and then turn your back on one of the most influential women’s right advocates in recent history?”

    Shameful: “I am insulted, as all pro-choice Democratic women should be, that Naral would endorse Senator Obama.”

    Jon: “You could have waited until after the Oregon primary.”

    Alyssa: “NARAL has completely lost my support.”

    Mare: “Et tu Brute!”

    The anger is focused at NARAL for now, and these women would probably never vote for John McCain, but Barack Obama _does_ need them to vote, and should he win the nomination, he will have to work to integrate them into his coalition. Hillary Clinton’s exit, if it comes, must be treated carefully.”

  9. # shenanigans Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    The we’ll all meet at the convention, figure a way to get us all there, and have our voices heard. We’ll all wear pink, big pink. Even the men? LOL
    ****************************************

    email me if you want to go on the list of who would like to go to convention….. luvcowboys63@yahoo.com
    I will take some info from you…..and try to coordinate ride shares

    i am awaiting word on the camp ground in colorado springs…. I think we may get a bunch of sites and camp it out ..dressed in pink! 😀

  10. Go on over to REZKO WATCH and take a peek. The cartoon of BO and Edwards just about sums up Edwards to a tee. That image of John will forever define him in my mind. Smile…don’t know how to make a smile face…sorry.

  11. ADMIN,

    I needed that post. Very motivating.

    Shenanigans,

    I don’t know whose hips you’re gyrating, yours or mine. *LOL*

    Thanks again. 😀

  12. The anger is focused at NARAL for now, and these women would probably never vote for John McCain, but Barack Obama _does_ need them to vote, and should he win the nomination, he will have to work to integrate them into his coalition. Hillary Clinton’s exit, if it comes, must be treated carefully.”

    There will be no Clinton exit. She is going to win. Watch!!!

  13. Will this ever end? I mean seriously? Edwards for OBama? Come on! This is really a downer

  14. It’s too early in the day. I typed too slow. So this got on the last thread. So here it is again.

    Please get me my morning coffee. I go to bed with WV on my mind, I get up and the entire world is topsy-turvy. All this stuff reminds me of the ABC movement in 1976. Anybody But Carter. When it became clear that a southern white moderate might actually win the nomination contest, the entire liberal establishment (The Party) put on a similar dog and pony show with major endorsements and such. It backfired. It just made voters all the more determined to vote for Carter.
    That is what happened recently in OH, TX, PA, IN, and WV. And the votes are not decreasing for Hillary but moving up.

    Come on, we are not dealing here with some media show, but actual elections where real people decide who they want as the nominee. Typical of elites, they often forget this. Once in a while they are reminded by voters who do have the final say. This is one of those times.

    If the voters buy into the endorsement stuff, OK it hurts. We won’t know until next week.

    If MI and FL re-vote, Hillary will win both.

    As long as she stays in the race, people will rally around her as the anti-establishment candidate, if for no other reason. And voters are not in a pro-establishment mood this year.

    She needs to win in the popular vote. This is it and not much else.

    Please keep your spirits up. Don’t give up until the boss says so. Until then, it’s GOTV.

  15. Woooo hoo, Basil!!! You put Elvis to shame with that hip acton.

    He’s dead. I don’t know if that’s really a compliment. 😉

  16. I would have thought that after Hillary’s victory in WV, the endorsements would stop or at least slow. Now we’ve got Edwards and NARAL. I don’t get it. Did her historic victory yesterday mean nothing to these people?

  17. Hillbilly lover, I’ll bring the bedazzler and we’ll put HILLARY in sparkles on our big pink shirts.

  18. I feel Hillary needs to come back with a large endorsers whats the deal? Seriously?

  19. justmeinmountdorafl, there are not going to have any endorsement I think. Hillary has to do it by herself with our help. She will success.

  20. The best revenge is a HUGE vote for Hill from Oregon and Kentucky!! THAT’S how we get back at these jerks!

    So Everyone: please channel this energy and MAKE CALLS to OREGON and KENTUCKY!!!

    Let’s keep focused on the prize (popular vote lead) and get another LANDSLIDE victory!!

    CALL, CALL, CALL!!!

    Oregon is voting already with mail-in ballots! So our time is NOW!!! Let’s go, team HILLARY!

  21. The best revenge is a HUGE vote for Hill from Oregon and Kentucky!! THAT’S how we get back at these jerks!

    So Everyone: please channel this energy and MAKE CALLS to OREGON and KENTUCKY!!!

    Let’s keep focused on the prize (popular vote lead) and get another LANDSLIDE victory!!

    CALL, CALL, CALL!!!

    Oregon is voting already with mail-in ballots! So our time is NOW!!! Let’s go, team HILLARY!

  22. Yes, the bedazzler is still around. Every once in awhile, we all need a little sparkle. 🙂

  23. Check this out, guys. Just found it on americanresearchgroup.com. Dick Bennett is the pollster there.

    A Surprise About Obama, Clinton, and Turnout

    Conventional wisdom has it that Barack Obama’s primary victories are based on his ability to increase turnout.

    A look at what happens when voter turnout increases in the primaries proves that this notion is wrong. In fact, Obama has had his greatest primary (and caucus) victories when turnouts have been low.

    Obama received 66% of the primary vote in Georgia when 22.7% of all registered voters in the state voted in the Democratic primary. In Virginia, Obama received 64% of the primary vote when 21.1% of all registered voters in the state voted in the Democratic primary. In Mississippi, Obama received 61% of the primary vote when 24.4% of all registered voters in the state voted in the Democratic primary.

    Hillary Clinton received 67% of the primary vote in West Virginia when 30.1% of all registered voters in the state voted in the Democratic primary. In Pennsylvania, Clinton received 55% of the vote when 27.7% of all registered voters in the state voted in the Democratic primary. In Ohio, Clinton received 54% of the primary vote when 30.5% of all registered voters in the state voted in the primary.

    There are exceptions (such as Arkansas, Tennessee, and Rhode Island), but Clinton, and not Obama, tends to win in the states where turnouts are higher. The relationship is strong enough that Democratic primary turnout can be predicted using Clinton’s share of the vote.

    –Dick Bennett

  24. Maybe we should send more emails out to Carville, Edwards, NARAL, and all the rest of them to show exactly how most democrats feel.

  25. Manchin in WV promised to endorse the winner in WV .

    Get on the phone with his office .. I posted his number on last thread.

    Call Senator Byrd and tell him the people of WVA spoke and he loves his people .. ask him to follow their lead.

    Senator Robert C. Byrd
    300 Virginia Street East
    Suite 2630
    Charleston, WV 25301
    304-342-5855

  26. Manchin in WV promised to endorse the winner in WV .

    Get on the phone with his office .. I posted his number on last thread.

    Call Senator Byrd and tell him the people of WVA spoke and he loves his people .. ask him to follow their lead.

    Senator Robert C. Byrd
    300 Virginia Street East
    Suite 2630
    Charleston, WV 25301
    304-342-5855

  27. Dennis Miller just said the Edwards endorsement is like getting endorsed by Ryan Seacrest 🙂

  28. Man, is Elvis bedazzled….go, go Hillary go…go Hillary go….go go go….hillary be good

    :::::::::gyrating and shaking right leg::::::::::

  29. NARAL just threw hillary rodham clinton under the bus for the “man”… i just sent them an email. there are so many people and organizations that have shown their true colors during this campaign. people i have supported my entire life. i will never forgive any of them. i will never support any of them. i will never vote for any of them.

  30. Adding to the TO DO list:
    To Do List:

    1) Make calls for Hillary, to Oregon and Kentucky voters: http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/

    2) Donate! If you’re maxed out or strapped for cash, ask 5 of your friends and family to donate to Hillary

    3) Blog! Get the word out, here, on other sites, and in letters to the editor to big Oregon and Kentucky newspapers. Talk about the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan, and the unfair treatment of those states’ voters by Dean and the DNC. New Hampshire and South Carolina moved their primaries, but received preferential treatment and weren’t punished at all.

    4. Contact Byrd and Governor Manchin from WV regarding endorsements. And any local affilitation in our states.

  31. Adding to TO DO list:
    4. Contact Byrd and Gov Manchin in WV regarding their sd votes.
    5. Contact all my local, state representatives to commit to Hillary or switch their votes.

  32. 6. Buy tent for campground to go to convention with the big pink party people in Denver.

  33. 4. (Or just squeeze Byrd’s oxygen tube until he agrees.)

    Actually Byrd’s endorsement would carry serious weight I’d think.
    He certainly knows this cabal (and all the other factions and factors at work).

    Question is, is he part of it?

  34. Neetabug!!! We’ll have so much fun, together. You have a tendency to get me in trouble. 🙂

  35. I watched Hillary on Blitzer . NBC, and CBS and she is truly an inspiration to this male voter. It appears she will go the distance and try to get popular vote, but sadly. also seems ready to support BO . I wonder what the real strategy, if any, there is??? And why do we never get big endorsements after we win…why?

  36. 8. Send Chris Matthews something that’ll give him a thrill up his leg.
    The new Reverend Wright inspired butt plug!

  37. just got a email from JRE asking for money for his cause………I clicked the link to take my name off his mailing list

    hope that sends a LOUD MESSAGE back to him!!

    pisses me off , he dropped out of the race and didnt send one email…..till today…….and it was for money

    I am so done with edwards!!

  38. shenanigans Says:

    May 14th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    OOoooh, Neetabug, I’m bringing that ummmm…….(sign I stole). Sssh.

    PLEASE, PLEASE BRING IT.

  39. hillbillie

    they sell kids pink tents at wallmart! ….it could be our “special tent” in honor of Madam President Hillary Clinton!!

  40. found pink tents here

    shopping.yahoo.com/s:Tents%20&%20Canopies:140637-Image%20Color=Hot%20Pink:4168-Brand=Texsport

  41. jb,
    Why? Because they’re a bunch of friggin’ jackals, that’s why.

    You’ll notice I never freak about SD’s & endorsements, and that’s because I think I see this all becoming one giant mind game, much more so than the nomination hinging on the particulars of delegate counts (though certainly we’ve gotta have the pop. vote), etc.
    And because I still expect if Hill goes to Denver that BO will have been decimated by one scandal or another by then.

    Then again I’m not very bright.

  42. I’ll bring it if you promise to help me hold up the other end of that big ass sign in front of the Pepsi center in Denver for convention.

  43. shenanigans

    Did you have a good time in W VA?

    Let me know if you are going to Denver also, We can fly there together

  44. shenanigans Says:

    May 14th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    I’ll bring it if you promise to help me hold up the other end of that big ass sign in front of the Pepsi center in Denver for convention.

    I got you covered. That i would love to do That should piss them off big time

  45. Remember, I’m on the other side of the city, I’m right by the airport. You’ll have to hold my hand, I hate flying and I’m a real pain in the ass. But, it’s shorter than driving to Colorado.

  46. Hannity to have new info

    So Edwards is ALL about working-class and poverty? Horse$#!+

    $$Ttrial Lawyer sold out his own hometown people (Dad worked in the mills, blah, blah, blah…) for the latte elitist. What’s in it for you JE? AG or VP?

    Obama must like to lip-lock according to blogger at bottom of page on RealClearPolitics.

    low down or down low?

  47. Ummm…..the sign is a Hillary sign. One of those big ones that are about eight feet wide. I wanted it, they told me no. Then, well…I saw it and it was just sitting there all by itself. Real lonely. Sad, I rescued it.

  48. judas is spewing such crap, oh its an important endorsement, will help with white blue collar voters in places like KY

    see I told you!!!

  49. This endorsement is a bunch of bologna, John Edwards is a two time loser.
    I pist about NARAL, afterall, wasn’t it Hillary that gave that speech in China about the little girls. THere were sure alot of senators and house representatives that were mad about this endorsement.
    How does BO think this endorsement would help him with us. There no other living icon for prolife than Hillary Clinton. The only other I can think of is Margaret Sanger, but I don’t keep up with that stuff!

  50. # justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Will this ever end? I mean seriously? Edwards for OBama? Come on! This is really a downer
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    Awww shoot, don’t despair. I don’t think this was some big surprise. Edwards is a bug that we hit that’s on the windshield. Just press the wiper fluid button. Ah, that’s better, all gone.

    He could have had a bigger impact earlier, but he was way too careful. Not willing to stick his neck out. Even now, Obama is the “safe ” bet.

    Our job is to prove that Obama was the wrong bet. It can be done by embarrassing the SDs into doing the right thing, for the party, and their own self-preservation. Exposing Obama’s lies and unelectability is part of this job ahead of us.

    Onward ho!

  51. I can’t wait, I need to get a pink Hillaryis44 shirt, I don’t have one. I love camping so it’ll be fun!!

  52. hannity whip judas a@@ lol…go home richardson ride your horse because your state is for hillary!!!

  53. jbstonesfan Says:

    May 14th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    I watched Hillary on Blitzer . NBC, and CBS and she is truly an inspiration to this male voter. It appears she will go the distance and try to get popular vote, but sadly. also seems ready to support BO . I wonder what the real strategy, if any, there is??? And why do we never get big endorsements after we win…why?

    There will be NO big endorsements. Forget about it. The establishment have picked their man. Hill will need the people to win this. There will be no more big endorsements.

  54. clintondem,

    i just don’t see what she would gain politically from dropping out. the he-menz Wimmin haterz senate club have dropped at pretence of professional courtesy. They’re not going to give her anything substantive in the platform, Obama could give a rat’s ass about promises anyway, and she knows it. she also knows that if she drops out, the Democrats lose the white house, that’s why she’s still in there to begin with. what does she have to gain politically?

  55. Wouldn’t we all just LOVE to see BO pick Richardson as his VP…NOW! Could that combo even win NM and IL? Yep…BO would win IL no matter what…he knows too much.

  56. I already sent it, I have an different name on my e-mail, but have my handle here in the subject!

  57. i think i missed it then…….can you resend

    and put hillaryis44 in the subject line ….thanks!

  58. how are we going to protest, signs, old fashioned sit ins, what? We may have to stare down the boys from the NOI and NBPP. I not scared though, many strong women have fought off fear before us! I just remember those pics of those ladies being cuffed for trying to get us the right to vote. Now we want the right to have our candidate treated fairly, justly and without malice.

  59. I just watched the “sweetie” video. Is this man cracking up, or what? There is no telling what he would say. He deliberately and arrogantly insulted her because she asked a question.

    Maybe it is an anger problem. I hope Fox will run it.

  60. Oklahomahills, He just plain doesnt think he should have to answer any questions. He believes he is above all that!

  61. STRATEGERY:

    # jbstonesfan Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    …It appears she will go the distance and try to get popular vote, but sadly. also seems ready to support BO . I wonder what the real strategy, if any, there is??? And why do we never get big endorsements after we win…why?
    &&&&&&&&

    jb,
    a) http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/endorsements
    shows she got some endorsements today. Enjoy them, they taste good.

    b) Hillary and surrogates are just being oh-so-proper in their phrasing about “supporting whoever will be the nominee”. She’s already gotten a ton of shit for “ruining the party’s chances”, making Obama “unelectable”, etc. So she’s just taking that weapon out of their hand. Killing them with kindness.

    c) Completely ignore any surrogate (or Hillary or Bill even) talking of VP. Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama cannot work. The Odd Couple. “Can two people who hate each other to the core of their souls share a ticket?”. Yet, to pacify SDs and others who want the party to hold together, this is the kind of pacification and coddling they require. She’s just “working the room”. We mere mortals have little idea of the amount of ass-kissing and social in-fighting there goes on in these circles.

  62. This is from a blogger on Hill;s site. from CNN

    CNN is reporting from the Edward’s Camp, Edwards got in this to stop the story of Hillary’s big win in WV. The fact that Obama having big trouble with working class voters.

  63. so is this true i read this
    edwards cannot have his name on any ballotts from here on out…i hope not that looser traitor..watch out north carolina your taxes are gonna go sky high

  64. neetabug Says:

    May 14th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
    This is from a blogger on Hill;s site. from CNN

    CNN is reporting from the Edward’s Camp, Edwards got in this to stop the story of Hillary’s big win in WV. The fact that Obama having big trouble with working class voters.

    DUH! Of course, we all knew that. A big endorsement has occurred after every big Hillary win. I hope, the lack of the working class vote costs the dems the election, if Hillary is not nominee.

  65. Camp Obama losing it’s touch, they usually wait until Thursday or Friday to make what they consider big endorsement announcements to keep it in the news cycle the entire weekend.

  66. “We will attack Obama viciously on all fair issues, whether they are national security, whether they are taxes or the economy,” promised Chris LaCivita, one of the Republican strategists behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that attacked Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry in 2004.
    LaCivita added: “At the end of the day, every individual has a right to participate in the political process whether John McCain likes it or not. It’s their constitutional right.”

  67. UPDATE: Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama has apologized to WXYZ reporter Peggy Agar for calling her “sweetie” during a campaign stop Wednesday in Sterling Heights.

    Obama apologized in a voicemail he left on Agar’s cell phone at 3:16 p.m:

    “Hi Peggy. This is Barack Obama. I’m calling to apologize on two fronts. One was you didn’t get your question answered and I apologize. I thought that we had set up interviews with all the local stations. I guess we got it with your station but you weren’t the reporter that got the interview. And so, I broke my word. I apologize for that and I will make up for it.

    “Second apology is for using the word ‘sweetie.’ That’s a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front. Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next.”

  68. I remember when Kerry ran for president, Edwards came to Cleveland. I worked on that campaign, We sent out fliers that Edwards would be in town, Not too many people showed up, we had to walk the neighborhood to ask people to come to hear him speak. This shows how no one cares about him

  69. Second apology is for using the word ’sweetie.’ That’s a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front. Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next.”

    TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Late

  70. neetabug that’s hilarious. Did you all have to pay people to come and see him because that’s the only way I would go hear him. He is so fake!

  71. hannity going to play the “sweetie” tape coming up next…….. saying some people say obama made a sexist remark today
    we’ll let you decide ! LOL!!

    I hope 👿 is the MSM topic of conversation from here to monday over that one!

  72. yeah edwards had campaign debt i wonder how much it was ..oh is bo gonna pay that off..thinking of that when i mentioned his name on ballots
    loooser traitor

  73. I can’t believe some of you people. After reading Admin’s post your still wringing your hands over Edward’s endorsement? Hillary doesn’t need any big endorser. She is being endorsed by the every day Americans. That’s all that matters. Now buck up! Because Hillary needs you working on her campaign pronto!

  74. Edwards is a joke! He won’t help Obama in KY. No endorsement will. Besides, all of his voters have already been voting for Obama!

    Edwards is responsible for all of this! He’s the one who first attacked Hillary at that Philadelphia debate! She was invincible before that happened! Then after she recovered and pulled that upset in New Hampshire, he dropped out before Super Tuesday! If he had remained in the race, he would have continued to siphon off votes from Obama and Hillary would have won Delaware, Conneticut, Missouri, etc!

    He could have made a deal to be Attorney General or something but he was selfish believing that he could win himself!

  75. “some people say obama made a sexist remark today”

    Some people (Paul Begala) also thought Edwards line in his speech, saying “there is one man” on several ocassions was coded.

    So the BO camp has had themselves a big day in that regard.

  76. Everyone knows Obama is going to create a cabinet post for Edwards and maybe his title will be Secretary of Get Me Some White Votes

  77. Senator Edwards

    I was disappointed in your decision to endorse Senator Obama. After glowingly speaking highly of Senator Clinton in your speech at the Obama’s rally today not only did you commend her but you stood there when people actually “booed” her and proceeded with go ahead with endorsing Senator Obama. I didn’t understand why you didn’t stand there and say, “This booing does not help the party, it only hurts. Please respect both candidates, they both are dear friends of mine.” I am not quite sure if you have noticed a pattern or what not but at Senator Clinton’s rallies there are rarely ever any type of booing going on whenever Senator Clinton speaks of Senator Obama. You clearly seen how Senator Clinton has been able to stand by and stood for the same base that you stood out to support when you decided to run for President. I was considering either you and Senator Clinton because I felt either of you represented closely what I seek in the next President of the United States.

    Now, somehow after deciding to go ahead and support Senator Obama at this point in the race, when you for a long time wanted to stay neutral. Even then, I was frustrated because I asked myself, why be neutral? Your vision for America was closely resembled to that of Senator Clinton but I respected you because you stated that you felt both were strong and still are strong candidates. With your decision to be neutral, I grew much respect for you because it is often an uncomfortable position to be in. Today, of all days, particuarly after the day that should have been Senator Clinton’s day because she won West Virginia. She won the core Democratic party base. The very base you sought to win when first running for President. You decided to go ahead and allowed Senator Obama to steal the spotlight. Typical politics I tell myself.

    Now you sent this email tome requesting for donation at 9:47 pm in the evening asking for funding for College for Everyone. Which I found to be ironic because again something that Senator Hillary Clinton has sought to address. The high cost of college and the finanical mess we’ve gotten ourselves into. We’ve heard clearly what Senator Clinton plans to address in regards to this and how we can continue to encourage our young population to enter college and beyond so to have a brighter future.

    Unfortunately because of your decision, I feel my money will be wisely spent elsewhere.

    Thank you,

    What do you think?

  78. tcb — unfortunately everyday Americans won’t be enough due to all the inequalities Hillary has had to face — caucuses, no MI/FL, and the “loyalty vote.” I’m still peeved that my vote counts for less just because my county is less loyal to dems than an AA county. I hope they address that at the end of this month when they address MI and FL. They really should only be giving about 60% of the delegates they have been giving him so far. This loyalty thing is BS. Everyone’s vote should count for the same. When you add that to the caucuses and MI/FL, it just blows up his delegate count. That’s why she’s winning the popular vote but not the delegates. There is just too much institutional bias against her right now, and the rules need to reflect reality.

  79. tcbequalityactions is correct! Edwards is no threat! He’s far lefty who hangs out with Hugo Chavez and that my friends I can assure you, does not play well in Middle America!

  80. If Edwards words were coded, well it stands to reason his speech today was at least proofed with the BO camp, if not coordinated.

  81. The only thing Edwards did for Kerry was pretty much help him lose the election.
    First he did not help a bit in NC Bush won the state by over 400,000 votes and second was that boneheaded way he brought up Cheney’s daughter being gay durning the VP debate.

  82. “Second apology is for using the word ’sweetie.’ That’s a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people.”

    It is a good thing we don’t believe your “sweetie” excuse, ’cause “sweetie,” that makes you sound downright creepy!

    Now, when addressing JE, I could understand.

  83. from Crooks & Liars

    Senator Barack Obama’s campaign is steering the candidate’s wealthy supporters away from independent Democratic groups, calling into question what had been expected to be the groups’ central role in this year’s Democratic offensive against Senator John McCain.

    The donors have been considering entreaties from Progressive Media USA, run by conservative-journalist turned liberal media critic David Brock; from former Clinton aide John Podesta’s Fund for America; and from America Votes, a group backed by billionaire George Soros that focuses on voter mobilization, among other efforts.

    But in recent days, major donors have begun to conclude that Obama is serious in trying to cut off funds to the outside groups. “It’s given donors pause,” said one prominent Democratic donor of Pritzker’s words.

    But Democrats who support the work of the media 527s say Obama’s making a mistake. Progressive Media USA has aired anti-McCain television ads and developed a website intended to be a hub for negative information about McCain.

    “Obama needs a baseline to the melody of his positive message,” said a Democratic strategist who backs the group’s aims…

  84. tcbequalityactions, you are right, she has us, we are very dedicated to her and her platform, she doesn’t need that empty shirt, fake smile edwards!

  85. We have faced much adversity.

    It has only made us stronger. Made us more resolute.

    Light a candle. Clear your mind. Sing.

    We shall overcome, we shall overcome,
    We shall overcome someday;
    Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe,
    We shall overcome someday.

    We’re on to victory, We’re on to victory,
    We’re on to victory someday;
    Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe,
    We’re on to victory someday.

    We’ll walk hand in hand, we’ll walk hand in hand,
    We’ll walk hand in hand someday;
    Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe,
    We’ll walk hand in hand someday.

    We are not afraid, we are not afraid,
    We are not afraid today;
    Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe,
    We are not afraid today.

    The truth shall make us free, the truth shall make us free,
    The truth shall make us free someday;
    Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe,
    The truth shall make us free someday.

    We shall live in peace, we shall live in peace,
    We shall live in peace someday;
    Oh, deep in my heart, I do believe,
    We shall live in peace someday.

  86. Oh big mistake obama! Now you just got global coverage ha ha! Man sometimes you should just keep your mouth shut but I put money on it this will be on abc and more on fox!! SWEETIE! Lets call radio stations and say how offended we are even if we really are not! lol! “my grandmother cried!

  87. I guess that remark goes back to when he was a ladies man, or so I have heard he was. However, that remark can get you into trouble in today’s world.

    I think if he smokes he should have to have an EKG, or something to prove he is healthy enought to run for President.

    ABOUT HOW HE SUPPORTS WOMEN’S ISSUES:

    We have looked at his support for women, and found it slim to none. Look at his platform, and see if you can find anything.

    His put down of the women today, his put down of Senator Clinton in the past. I think you will find his support of women’s issue non existant.

    Again, that is actually asking people to look at the man, and all the O people cannot get beyond the Kool aid.

  88. jr Says:

    May 14th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
    neetabug that’s hilarious. Did you all have to pay people to come and see him because that’s the only way I would go hear him. He is so fake!

    No but there were some telphone men working we got them to come in. They had to take down a lot of seats and close off so that it woudn’ seem so empty, We could not get anyone to come, Only people there were a lot of politicians,

  89. justmeinmountdorafl ,

    Well I say please send it and if you want post it all over kentucky to! Make flyers! Do you know what address to send it at?

  90. Lets makes some damn tee shirts that say no thanks sweetie im voting for clinton! Or something like that! owh!

  91. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    May 14th, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    any thoughts on my letter to Edwards?

    I liked your letter…. i think you said it well !!

  92. winhillary

    how about this one

    ” no thanks sweetie i am too bitter and clinging to my guns,religion & Hillary”

  93. Southern Born Says:

    May 14th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
    Obama was a LADIES’ man??

    Yes. Don’t know how true it is. His wife has had shouting matches about women, If you believe the inquirer

  94. lol dunno about that but I did put it on TM 😉

    I sent it and removed myself from his email list

    Goodnight my friends onward to a good fight for Oregon and Kentucky!

  95. “Hi Peggy. This is Barack Obama.”

    How about Hi, Ms. agar? Did she say he could call her peggy?

  96. I love them all! Lets do it! We can even make flyers in our homes towns and put it places. Who lives in Kentucky anyone in Ok?

  97. I may believe something was planted in the Enquirer to make him look like a ladies man.

    Hey, didn’t he say something out of line to another female reporter a while back?

  98. neetabug, wow and here I was thinking BO was a MAN’s man after all I’ve been hearing. Who knew!

  99. Blue, yes BO did say something out of line to another female this year, however, I can’t remember exactly what it was.

  100. i too unlinked my name from loooser ed.. he is asking for money under his edwards for president website..hmmm…that isnt right…scam for another cause..shouldnt he have a college fund seperate email and not from a Presidential Website

    HILLARY WILL WIN THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  101. Has anyone else wondered how come they put off Part3 the curtain until tomorrow?
    I thought it was kind of funny that they would wait until tomorrow!

  102. confloyd Says:

    May 14th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
    He called a waitress sweetie somewhere!

    It was either in Ohio or PA,. I remember that happening. I think, she may have been wearing a Hillary button.

  103. Well, I just got my John Edwards email. My reply was sorry John, you pick the wrong horse in this race. I hope you have a backup plan should O not make is as I am voting for McCain. My regards to Elizabeth, and take me off your list.

  104. To be truthful with you, I think she has a chance, as the voters are getting mad. When this goes to the convention, be prepared for a fight.

  105. “Has anyone else wondered how come they put off Part3 the curtain until tomorrow?”

    Uh…… …… YES! (I’d use a 50-foot font if I could).

    But it’s the Pastor allegation today that has me intrigued.

    Then I wondered with the way things are going, would anyone even care?

    Then I remembered the business with Donald Young and thought YES!!!

  106. Has anyone found anything in his platform or issues that supports women yet? I would really like to find something.

  107. The only think I remember is that he supports partial birth abortions. I think the Republicans are going to have a hayday with that.

    If I have missed something, let me know.

  108. Hey Southern, Long time no see. I been busy as heck but the events of the last few days brought me back to blog and got me mad enough to spit. Yall notice the NARAL thing and the endorsement come on the same day after our friends in West Virginia wiped the floor with BO. I wrote NARAL and i got a few more things to say to em. There has been overt sexism in this race. Has BO once spoken out about it. No, he really does not care. He does not give one iota about helping real people with real problems. Thank you West Virginia. BO you’ve motivated me to work even harder tonight. Oh yeah, and NARAL. I was at the big march on Washington…the one you helped organize a few years ago. As I recall one of the first speakers was Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. One behalf of gutless wonders everywhere, we salute you NARAL for aiding and abetting the sexism which has been rampant in the media.

    It’s onto Kentucky where we’re gonna work harder than ever for the most experienced, qualified and visionary candidate in the field. I am prouder of Senator Clinton every single day.

  109. since we were talking tshirts again… 😀

    I decided to start a cafe press store , i will have it up in a couple days …..got to get to work on some designs 😀

    I have been out of work so have not been able to donate $$ to hillary but desperately
    wanted too….

    well….. I will sell t shirts to earn money to send to hillary in my name!

    so those of you that have already donated the max to hillary……hope you buy a shirt or two or three 😀

  110. ABC News’ Sarah Amos Reports: Former President Bill Clinton continued to make a case for seating the delegates in Florida and Michigan Wednesday, saying that it’s “shocking and embarrassing” to see the Republican party dealing with this situation in a better manner than the Democrats.

    President Clinton chose to begin his speech to a crowd in Missoula, Mont. with what turned into a six-minute discussion of the status of Michigan and Florida.

    “All [Hillary] has ever asked for is that everybody vote, that we count the voters that show up, this is about the people not the mechanism. If you wanna punish them fine, but don’t pretend they don’t exist. And don’t pretend it didn’t happen. And don’t pretend that she wasn’t willing to let them vote again and help them raise the money to let them vote again,” Clinton said.

    President Clinton also hinted that if the races in Michigan and Florida had turned out differently, than perhaps the Democratic party would be quicker to come to a resolution.

    “We are Democrats. We are supposed to be about the business of empowering,” he said. “This should be a great empowerment election, and how ironic it would be … if the thing would be decided by the most disempowering top-down, and I think mindless decision, I can recall in a month of Sundays.”

    The former president was adamant in his speech, asserting that both states needed to be counted now in order for a Democrat to win them in the general election.

    “I never thought it would be the Democratic party that didn’t want to count votes in Florida. I thought that was a Republican strategy,” Clinton said. “It is hard to see how we win Florida if our best argument is we’ve already ignored you once, now get in line.”

  111. Hey, MollyJ, I was just thinking about you today and here you are. I’m so glad you are back. I missed you.

    As for your post…EXACTLY…”in behalf of gutless wonders”

  112. The last sexist remark was when obama walked into a women and said something like no its but my cell phone im not getting something or something do you remeber? It was sexist though!!!

  113. A co-worker today was trying to jab me with the Edwards endorsement. “Why did Edwards drop out in the first place”, I asked. The guy replied, he was doing well at all.

    Exactly, I said – and you think his endorsement is going to help?

    The Kennedys, Richardson, Edwards, Kerry-Heinz, the list goes on – it will make no difference next week in Kentucky either. Only now the Breck Girl will have more egg on his face.

  114. Yes, you are right, Winhillary. I think they were standing close together for a picture of something and BO did say something about it being his cell phone and he was not getting fresh or something like that.

    But I think he called another woman (earlier) some sort of thing like Sweetie, etc.

  115. Remember it was a member of press or a caucus member or something and he tried to get her to wear his button it seems like ’cause the girl was a Hillary supporter. Then he said something like “would it help if I get down on my knees?” and then something like “how about a kiss?”

    Creepy Letch-In-Chief?

  116. I want to find a way to reach out to MI and FL voters who voted for Hillary. Like person to person networking. Those of us who’ve had the opportunity to stand up for Hillary and had our “votes” counted could wear one of those bracelets with the name of somebody from FL or MI who’s votes “don’t matter.” I think it’s real interestin’ that BO is running down to FL and up to MI now. This election has been among the most disenfranchising I can ever remember, at least since before the Voting Rights acts. Those damn caucuses were set up to serve BO from the beginning. I hope that everybody who saw things go down at caucuses that shouldn’t have happen report them!

  117. I just went to VoteSmart and searched for his vote on abortion

    Only one abortion issue did he support a Unintended Pregnancy Amendment, and the Amendment was rejected.

    The other three issues:

    Prohibiting US Assistance for Groups that Support Coercive Abortion (Adopted) he was NV (NoVote)
    Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions (Rejected) NV
    Prohibiting the Funds in S 1200 From Being Used for Abortions (Adopted) NV

    He did not show up for these three issues. So exactly why did they endorse Him. Something smells.

  118. I did a search:

    April 4, 2008
    jezebel.com/376174/would-you-let-this-man-call-you-sweetie

    Barack Obama went on a textile factory tour in Allentown, Pennsylvania (where, more than 200 years after the Industrial Revolution, most of the low-level employees are still women). The Democratic presidential candidate shook hands and, by many accounts, nearly charmed the pants off of half the employees. One thing he also did: he called one of those female employees “sweetie.”

  119. just got word on the campground……they have plenty of openings!!

    reservations are only $6 😀

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  120. Dear Mr. Edwards,
    Never have I been so disappointed in a politician. You said that you represented the unheard voice of the American working and middle class. You collected money from us for your “forever” campaign until fifteen minutes before you quit. Barack Hussain Obama is an elistist, neoCon who will have our country involved in African tribal politics for an oil line before you can say hope and change in Pig Latin. It’s one thing to step aside and it’s another to roll over and play dead. I am glad that I discovered you were lacking in moral fortitude and courage before I voted for you for President rather than after the fact. Be assured that I will never vote for you in the future should you run for any political office.

  121. Hillbilly, My daddy was from east Texas so I got cousins crawlin’ around there that I not ever met. Thanks for the compliment. I needed a mental health break tonight from the media fascists. Folks, the only way women have made progress in this country, given things a big ass push when things needed them, was to take action that was unpopular. We have to call the game. We have to stand up for the violations of rights that have gone down in this election and that go down everyday in this country. We got to remember that it wasn’t easy for the women who went before us. It wasn’t easy for other disenfranchised groups to make progress . But it always takes overt action. I commend Hillary for her tenacity and bravery and her graciousness.

  122. Did you catch the very tail end of Hannity & Colmes when Holmes brought up the Pastor Manning interview on Hannity’s radio program?

    Then Hannity said, “Did you hear the latest thing he said?” Purposely brought up at the end, IMO in order to whet the public’s appetite.

    So controversial however, so Sean planted question right at end so that they wouldn’t “have time” to explore.

    Same Trumpet magazine cover also shown on Larry Sinclair website, along with other magazine cover of Obama.

    In order to view all (along with Sinclair’s appeal for Hannity to contact him) google:

    “Larry Sinclair Obama Drug Scandal” and you can read and see all about new Pastor Manning allegations.

    Read blogger comment at bottom of Real Clear Politics front page, or may be on second page by now. Operated restaurant frequented by several “in the know” in Chicago between 2001-2003. Oprah’s show on the “down low” aired April 16, 2004.

  123. Ive never been angrier at the obama/dnc camp than today. we here have suffered many days -but this takes the cake. naral endorses-although msm wont say that many state levels wont-then edwards. my heart bleeds for hillary. she workd hard for edwards’ endorsement. tooo bad e edwards doesnt come out and back her. her heart must be hurting tonight. i will call ore and ky again tommorrow more than today.
    for all these months i spend 80pct of my time working on hilary stuff. i have crohns and smetimes have to damn near crawl just to push myself to help hillary.
    the bys are ganging up on her worse than ever. kennedy,edwards etc are trying to take her down. i hope i see lots of backlash tommorro when i talk to folks. on tm one hillary phoner called ore. tonight. got good response hen got a lady who was undecied. until now. the lady said she was tired of the men ganging up n hillary and will cast her vote for her.
    so we have a 2 front ar tues-ore and ky. we mst blow him out of ky-and he will be there with johnny and msm. and ore-tougher but we must hold it close.
    i had hoped sen byrd would back her today. clearly our nation i s corrupted. it is ill. for a abortion rights group to back obama in a primary against hillary is beyond belief. for “working class” john edwards to back obama is an afront a dn will piss the hell out of hill supporters. ky is the test-hill must crush him good. the supers are freaked by wv-so bambi picked up edwards to help him get the votes he cannot attain. im betting it wont work. if edwards cannot pull thu bambi next week its time to close this deal. its time for some folks in this party to come out for hillary. what a sick bewildering day. may hillary get this nomination or heaven help us

  124. thanks for the shout-out admin!

    I just watched Hill tonight on CNN and boy was she great. She noted that there have been contested conventions when the candidates were much further apart than they are this year! On to Denver!

  125. We need to make damn sure that byrd endorses her tomorrow or we keep his phones ringing all day long! If does not keep his word what good is he!

  126. WIN4HILL, That was another incident, he has done 3 now, that we know of. He really does not respect women. I wonder if his grandpa did? From what I heard gramps did not respect gramma, so what would you expect!

  127. Wow, Obama has admitted that he’s got patronizing, elitist, and sexist tendencies:

    ———

    OBAMA APOLOGIZES FOR “SWEETIE” COMMENT

    (CNN) – Barack Obama has personally apologized to a Michigan television reporter for referring to her as “sweetie” as she tried to ask a question.

    The comment came earlier Wednesday when WXYZ reporter Peggy Agar asked Obama at a campaign stop, “How are you going to help the American auto workers?”

    Obama told Agar to “hold on, sweetie,” and said he would address that issue with her later. Agar said she never got an answer to her question.

    According to WXYZ, Obama personally left a voice message for Agar Wednesday afternoon, apologizing for both not answering the question and for calling her “sweetie.”

    “That’s a bad habit of mine,” Obama said in the message. “I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front.

    “Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next,” he added.

    Obama also took some heat in Pennsylvania last month for referring to a factory worker as “sweetie.”

  128. confloyd: grandpa would not even drive grandma to work. she had to take the bus to work and had to walk through a bad area.

  129. He sure seems to hang out with boys that disrespect women, I mean look at Teddy, he is the worst! Hell, he killed one, his nephew raped one. The list goes on and on. Michael killed Martha when they were in 8th grade. It must be a Kennedy trait. I have always wanted to know what happened to Marilyn Monroe, they say Bobby was one of the last ones to see her alive. I guess I’ll never find out!

  130. We should make a list of Obama’s “bad habits” 😀

    1) Calling women “sweetie”
    2) Buying cocaine (“but not smack”)
    3) Smoking
    4) Whining (“can I just eat my waffle?”)
    5) Losing swing states left and right

  131. You go Berkeley! Nice to see ya. I saw part of that CNN interview, too. You know, the harder this damn race gets, the tougher, stronger and better she gets. She is so damn good, yall. I am so damn proud to stand up for her. Sometime when you need a boost, read her speech from Bejing in 1994. It is so powerful. That is one that kids should be memorizing in school, too. It is a manifesto of womens rights/human rights, and it is powerful powerful stuff. We have us such a seasoned and intelligent candidate leading us. What I love so much about her is that she sets the tone, the moral courage, the ethical tone. She walks her talk.

  132. From Riverdaughter’s site:

    [UPDATE] State NARAL affiliates react
    Posted on May 14, 2008 by ronkseattle
    Received within the hour, a “Very Important Message from Karen Cooper ” (Exec. Dir., NARAL Pro-Choice Washington) re this morning’s NARAL endorsement of Barack Obama:

    … None of us here, myself included, knew about it until a phone call this morning from D.C., and at that point it was a done deal. To be clear, we at NARAL Pro-Choice Washington remain neutral in the race … We strongly disagree with NARAL Pro-Choice America’s decision to endorse at this time.

    … To endorse Obama at this point in the race is an unconscionable slap in the face to Senator Hillary Clinton.

    Furthermore, I want to make sure you know there is no transfer of funds between our affiliate and NARAL Pro-Choice America. We are separate entities.

    … our Board of Directors is planning a meeting to discuss our affiliate’s next steps.

    Closed with a link to NARAL Pro-Choice Washington’s press release on the subject.

    Kudos, Karen! Any other blindsided affiliate sightings out there?

  133. Birdgal, DIdn’t grandma support the little lazy too? I sure don’t want that for Hillary, if Bambi is the nominee, let him do his own D^%$ work! I think the man is lazy, how many vacations has he had during this campaign? He always whining about how tired he is. Worthless!

  134. Curiosityhasme,

    You check the wording on this story (linked at Sinclair’ site from michigan daily) about BO’s personal assistant?

    Seem like they’re trying to say something between-the-lines,
    or is it just me?

    “A lot of people wouldn’t get in a car with Barack Obama and tease him back,” Colvin said.
    The meat of Colvin’s job is in these “in-between” moments in the car on the way to the next events.
    A lot of the time, Colvin and Obama just talk.
    Often, Colvin said, he and the senator have heart-to-heart conversations.

  135. And this from No More Apples:

    NARAL TEXAS NOT CONSULTED ON OBAMA ENDORSEMENT

    I just called the Texas chapter of NARAL, and they told me in no uncertain terms that they had NOT been consulted before the national organization decided to issue an endorsement of Obama — and they just found about it about the same time the rest of us did. They didn’t sound too pleased about it, although a spokesperson said they could not make a public statement.

    Nancy Keenan is an arrogant opportunist, so she should fit nicely into the Obama camp.

    From the Illinois chapter of NOW:

    “As a State Senator, Barack Obama voted ‘present’ on seven abortion bills, including a ban on ‘partial birth abortion,’ two parental notification laws and three ‘born alive’ bills. In each case, the right vote was clear, but Senator Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions. When we needed someone to take a stand, Senator Obama took a pass. He wasn’t there for us then and we don’t expect him to be now.”

    But you heard the woman. He’s got the money.

  136. And from the NY Daily News:

    NARAL Pro-Choice NY Doesn’t Follow National’s Lead
    In a show of loyalty to its home state senator, Hillary Clinton, NARAL Pro-Choice NY declined to follow the lead of its national organization in endorsing Barack Obama, proclaiming it “premature” to pick a favorite in the Democratic primary contest.

    In a terse statement, the NY-based abortion rights group said the decision by NARAL Pro-Choice America to back Obama was made in Washington, D.C. and “without the consultation” of state affiliates.

    “NARAL Pro-Choice New York will not be issuing an endorsement at this time,” continued the statement, which isn’t attributed to anyone in particular.

    “NARAL Pro-Choice New York believes that this endorsement in the Democratic primary is premature. We are fortunate to have two pro-choice candidates in Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and Senator Barack Obama.”

    “When a nominee is named, NARAL Pro-Choice New York will stand proudly with the pro-choice Democratic candidate in order to defeat anti-choice Republican candidate John McCain in November.”

    This statement is carefully crafted to be as middle of the road as possible, and is far from the militantly pro-Clinton efforts we saw earlier in the primary season (NY NOW comes to mind, for example), but it does illustrate the quandry many New York groups and electeds are finding themselves in as her campaign appears to be on its last legs.

    No here at home wants to be the first to jump ship because, after all, her second six-year Senate term is barely underway. Even if she ends her presidential bid, she’ll still be a force to be reckoned with.

    ADDED: In a conference call earlier today, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said he was “surprised” by the national NARAL endorsement of Obama.

  137. Ladies, I guess I’m a little irritated tonight with the boys club!
    Listen to this analogy: Most of us now work right along side of our husbands, correct? I for instance have a very physical job and my husband had a sit down job. You both work all week, and who really gets to rest on the weekend, =husband, right, he lays in front of the TV watching a game or something and what are we doing? we’re cooking, washing clothes, getting the kids, husband and ourselves ready for the next week. This has always pist me off. So this I could see happening to Hillary is she took the VP spot. He would be vacationing, hobnobing with the boys club and she would be working her ass off to make him look good. I hope this doesn’t happen!

  138. confloyd

    but knowing hillary……..she would scream from the WH rafters taking full credit, never allowing BO to have credit 😀

  139. Additional info to find:

    scroll down to bottom of front page of Real Clear Politics to the Reader’s Articles

    then, hit bar where states “articles with 10 or more votes”

    interesting tidbits, among those:

    -Obama down low submitted by mack711 May 14 3:07am – re: Cafe owner in Chicago frequented by those “in the know”

    -Barack Obama’s Staff Full of the Most Extreme Leftists in the Country submitted by Dan53 May14 5:32am – re: Jennifer Mason Corespondence Coordinator – member of Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam

    many others including the campaigning that is occuring in the middle east for obama at present…….

  140. Blue Democrat:

    Yeah, interesting article and “sighting” concerning Obama and Colvin. Sweet.

  141. RE: Denver

    found rooms available at the motel 8 in colorado springs next to the air port

    2 queen beds with 4 adults sharing expenses would only be $87.50 per person for four days (sun-thurs)

  142. I really am glad he had the slip of the tongue, as the Sweetie remark has taken some of the gloss off of the endorsements he pulled out.

    He really did not want that to happen.

  143. I love this group, but you are talking like she will not get the nod. She is going into this convention BETTER than anyone in the past has.

    Mentally, they are working on us. But is is we who decide whether we are going to let this garbage impact on us.

    The conventions are not for parties, they are for deciding who the candidate will be.

    If you and I can help her pull off coming into the convention with the majority of the votes, she is in a strong position, one none have had in the past. The Dumb Delegates (I am refusing anymore to call them Super Delegates), are going to really be placed in an interesting position, in front of the Cameras of the news media, and the crowd that assembles there.

    Remember, you cannot win a fight, if you are not will to show up. Conceding means you are not willing to know if you really could have won. The brave people want to know. HILLARY PEOPLE ARE BRAVE.

  144. curiosity,

    So that phraseology is funky, right?!?!

    Tell you what, and I don’t say this lightly, but this Pastor Manning stuff has the potential to be the big one.
    For one, after watching his sermon video, there’s no one who can say he isn’t direct (and correct!)!
    Second, it makes sme sense on the level of BO being so heartbroken over his Rev. Wright breakup. Several ‘insiders’ at the time said what an emotional thing it as for him. There’s more but I don’t want to get nuts.

    I’m seeing visions of a Gennifer Flowers-like presser for BO and a National Enquirer cover (in fact one of the supermarket rags has already run such a story).

    “For 12 years, I was Reverend Wright’s lover.”

    Manning keeps saying at an appropriate time he’ll reveal his ‘proof’.

    You ask me, appropriate would be 9am at the National Press Club, before he gets himself Young’d.

    Motha Focka.

  145. Guys, whenever you see the DNC or democratic elites pissed off at Hillary, be happy and gleeful! They are pissed solely and mostly about the money that us Hillary supporters are refusing to give them due to their mess in Florida and Michigan and thank goodness we have some power, obviously, as they are so mad and incapable of raising more than 5 million so far. 😀

    We have power guys! People power! And the DNC hates us for it, yet it somehow makes me very happy 😀

  146. Blue Dem:

    Yeah, Larry Bland on Nov 17th then David Young on Dec 24th. Then another murder of gay African-American man, don’t recall name but it has been printed.

    Lots of hits in the windy city. Guess I better start looking at the throw-aways in the checkout line. They usually have it first, especially when no one else will touch the story.

    Still find it strange that O’Reilly made such a huge story out of Wright’s multi-millionaire mansion and $10 million line-of-credit (besides the hypocrisy) except maybe he’s hinting at pay-off or hush money?

  147. i do think Obama could be a homo/bisexual. I know many of you think he doesn’t act gay or whatever, but most homosexual/bisexual people are the same as ordinary straight guys/girls who just happen to enjoy the same sex.

    It’s entirely plausible. + the African American community statistically has one of the highest “in the closet” rates in America because of the overall communities tendency to be very negative towards anything gay or unusual.

    it’s possible.

  148. Southern, he was one of the people from Obama’s church who was openly gay and murdered execution style around the time of the Iowa caucus but whose case was kept hushed up by Chicago media and police.

  149. djia, that’s a good price, I could even afford that, of coarse, no telling how much gas will be by august!

  150. btw, while we are on the topic of homosexuality, that little boy on American idol, David A, comes off as gay to me. lol

    very cutesy and feminine.

  151. Larry Sinclair alleges he received calls from Donald Young several times the couple of months before he was murdered. Sinclair says Obama camp had these 4 phone numbers of his, and “somehow” Donald Young got these numbers and was contacting him to “see how much he knew.” THERE’S the link. Problem is corrupt Mayor Daley is over CHicago PD. Corruption of the highest order is now BHO gets by with everything.

  152. HillBilly,

    “Blue, You nipping the whisky?”

    Not yet, but definitely by the convention 🙂

    Do me a favor. If you haven’t already, check out this video (replace the .com) and just tell me if you think this man is speaking from his heart…

    youtubeDOTCOM/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

  153. As a gay guy, I just think BHO could do better than Sinclair. I don’t get it, unless the attraction was Sinclair had access to drugs. If that is it, I guess O has more of a desire for drugs than men. How presidential.

  154. Yes, Donald Young was choir director and member for 20 years. twenty years again…..how interesting.

  155. Exactly, NewMexicoFan. If we take this to Denver, Hillary can’t lose. Why? Because by then, the Republicans will have started to unload on Obama, and they won’t wait until after the convention to define him. Obama’s favorables/unfavorables have been trending in ALL the wrong directions for the last 2 months, and by the time the convention rolls around, the writing will be on the wall: he is unelectable.

  156. i ate triple wwhopper ,,cheesecake

    and i am so full ,,so i am not so mad at NARLA AND EDWARDS..

    we should use this anger not to let us down or not to benefit mccain

    but only and only to benefit hillary

    so lets put it together

  157. There was a suspicious “suicide” of some guy tied to Rezko, too.
    John Stroger’s godson Orlando Jones:

    One of Cook County’s top political insiders was found dead on a southwestern Michigan beach this week from a self-inflicted gunshot wound — two days after the Chicago FBI attempted to interview him about an undisclosed matter, authorities said Thursday.

    Orlando Jones — a 52-year-old godson of ex-County Board President John Stroger, former top Stroger aide and married father of two sons — had lunched with a lawyer Tuesday before disappearing that evening. His body was found about 6:30 p.m. Wednesday at the bottom of a set of steps leading to Gowdy Shores beach, a short drive from a New Buffalo, Mich., casino Jones had frequented.

    Orlando Jones, godson and aide to former Cook County President John Stroger, was found dead yesterday at Gowdy Shores in Union Pier, Mich.

    Berrien County law enforcement officials said a handgun was found with Jones, who had a single gunshot wound in his head.

    Undersheriff Chuck Heit said there was nothing that would lead him to believe “it was anything other than suicide.”

    Authorities recovered notes from Jones’ South Loop home, including one referencing how unforgiving the news media tend to be, a law-enforcement source said.

    Jones, who most recently worked as a lobbyist and consultant, last week was a subject of news reports in Las Vegas that he was under criminal investigation for wrongdoing regarding public hospital contracts there. ALERT!!! OPERATION BOARD GAMES!!!

    Jones told the Chicago Sun-Times last week that he did nothing wrong. He met with attorney and friend Robert Stephenson at a West Dundee restaurant Tuesday to discuss a half-inch stack of documents Stephenson planned to send to the Clark County, Nev., prosecutor.

    ”I was relatively confident that once the D.A. looked at these documents, this thing would have been over with respect to Orlando,” Stephenson said.

    Jones was upbeat, Stephenson said. “A good part of the lunch was about the future,” he explained. “I didn’t sleep last night because I cannot explain what happened.”

    The discovery of Jones’ body came just two days after FBI agents approached Jones, FBI spokesman Frank Bochte said. Jones “cordially declined” to speak with Chicago agents. The FBI wouldn’t discuss details of the potential interview, citing an ongoing probe.

    Stephenson said he was aware the FBI had approached Jones, but he said agents had made contact with him last week, not Monday. Stephenson said the FBI was assisting Las Vegas authorities in their investigation.

    Kathleen Suey, a Las Vegas deputy police chief, said her investigators did not ask the FBI to approach Jones. However, she did not rule out the FBI visit was related to the Las Vegas case: “I cannot comment on what they were there for.”

    Besides the Las Vegas matter, Jones had been interviewed by federal authorities some time ago about a separate, government-related deal highlighted in a Sun-Times story in Thursday’s editions. That deal — which involved an annual fee paid to Jones by an investment firm that does business with a state government pension fund — had allowed Jones to be paid six-figure sums annually for a job he did in 2004. MORE BOARD GAMES!!

    Authorities, Stephenson said, wanted to know if now-indicted Highland Park businessman Stuart Levine played any role in helping Jones land the deal. Levine has been indicted along with Wilmette businessman Tony Rezko in a kickback scheme to defraud Illinois taxpayers using fees like the one Jones got.

    Jones told the feds Levine played no role in Jones landing the fee, Stephenson said. He added that Jones was not asked about Rezko.

    Like Jones, Rezko is close to the Stroger family, and Rezko and Jones have been business partners, records show.

    Jones was in County Board President Todd H. Stroger’s office as recently as last week. Todd Stroger was elected to the post held by his father, John, last year after the elder Stroger suffered a debilitating stroke.

    “The Stroger family is saddened by the passing of Orlando Jones, godson to former Cook County Board President John Stroger and a longtime family friend,” Todd Stroger said in a statement. “His passing is an untimely and unfortunate loss for those who knew and loved him, and he will be missed. Our prayers go out to his wife, Cerrelda, and his two sons.”

  158. wagner1jc:

    Story sounds like it was a two-time encounter back in 1999. His pics looked younger, of course. Sinclair says the limo driver is the proof, but since he hasn’t produced him or given correct name at this point, many doubt story. Sinclair made a video in past few days 9on his website) in the event he meets with untimely death. He must be getting lots of death threats. His attorney is the same as DC Madam’s – which was probably a murder, made to look like suicide.

  159. wagner1jc, I am with you on that Sinclair is kinda rough around the edges, BO is high class, but you know that old country and western song don’t ya?” The girls all get prettier at closin time”. Maybe he had already had a couple a snorts and wasn’t being picky! LOL!!!

  160. wagner, sinclair met him years ago……sinclair has posted a pic of what he looked like back in the 90’s
    he was younger and wasn’t bad looking at all.

  161. Berkeley Vox

    Exactly. They have wanted this to stop all along. Think about that. Had this stopped after IOWA, there is a whole lot about BO we would not have gotten to know. And let’s face it, the WV people said WE DON’T LIKE IT. (He visited there once, what an elitists, Hillary was all over NC which could not have been friendly territory).

    The GE is composed of all the voters of this country, not Donna and Howard, and Ted, and Edward, and Judas, and Al, and Jimmy. All of these has beens and had their time and failed. I guess failure is a criteria to be a commentator and an endorser.

    We need to give her the opportunity to take it to the Convention, and then get there in tents, cars, crappy hotel rooms, what ever, and make sure we look them in the Eye.

    Hillary, will be with us all the way, if we are with her.

  162. curiosity,

    Then you’d think he’d change attorneys, at least for superstition’s sake.

  163. You would think he wouldn’t think he’d be caught in a church picture anywhere near pulpit after Wright, but then he is so accustomed to BAMBOOZLING and HOODWINKING everyone – he;s real cocky now that the Wright issue is “behind” him. No pun intended.

    Hopefully, KY will see right through this, and be even more disgusted by this new show of arrogance, especially since JE has been dispatched to sell BHO to the working class. HOW insulting is this to the people of KY? What do they think they are? Moonshiners from Deliverance on the lam from the ‘revenuers’?

  164. I thought Young was only 24 yrs old, or something close to that?

    How could he have been a member for 20 years?

  165. BTW, Steve Malzburg played audio of BO’s NEW pastor today,
    and it was more bombastic shit!

    Cursing Moses & the Bible and I forget who else,
    the 3 wise men maybe 🙂

  166. NewMexicoFan Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    We need to give her the opportunity to take it to the Convention, and then get there in tents, cars, crappy hotel rooms, what ever, and make sure we look them in the Eye.
    Hillary, will be with us all the way, if we are with her.
    *****************
    absolutely agree with most of your post…..but…… I have to say…..that in order to be there in denver in august plans will need to be made ASAP….and we are fully capable of multi tasking! 😀 after all women have been doing this with ease for a very long time….forever in fact !

  167. after KY next week……we should send uncle teddy a bottle of scotch to drown his sorrows in 😀

  168. When we had the last Democratic president, the Republicans hired full time researchers and $70 million dollar Ken Starr investigation to try to find ANYTHING with which to impeach him.

    Would they be that “eager” with President BO? He certainly seems to have serous skeletons that have not been vetted and actually almost zero to none until recently. In that case, maybe Hillary should accept the VP. That would be the ONLY reason I could think of for her to do that.

    NO! Hillary is still going to win this thing. As has been stated, maybe she knows what’s out there and is coming. I just hope it hits very soon.

  169. Kentucky…..need to dispatch a little bluegrass Bill Monroe or Ricky Scaggs (republican I know). How about a little Foggy Mountain Breakdown………let’s see…who’s Jethro to Hillary’s Daisy Mae?

  170. djia,

    ” we should send uncle teddy a bottle of scotch to drown his sorrows”

    Just get him a Cadillac, he’ll take care of the drowning.

  171. Me just say, if this BO innuendo ever proved true, how classyis Hillary?

    All she’s ever said is he hasn’t been vetted.

    That’d be somethin’….

    Lame Teddy joke by me. Admin, can we yank it?

  172. LOL…… you forget we are all just under educated aka “illiterate” “poor” “bitter” “typical white” people/women

    we cant afford a cadillac LOL

  173. HillBillyLover asked how Obama’s Michigan trip has been playing around here…
    It made the news and all that, and in some instances the reporters made it sound as if Obama is definitely the Dem nominee and that Hillary has no chance. But aside from the “sweetie” episode, the media reports I’ve seen made his visit seem rather bland. I smiled when Channel 7 (the station where Ms. Peggy Agar is employed) showed a big, enthusiastic Obama crowd at some rally but then pointed out that it was an invitation-only event. There was also an article in the Business section of the Detroit Free Press about how the auto companies are not happy with some of the remarks Obama has made about the auto industry.

    Overall, I would say if Obama gets the Dem nomination McCain will definitely win Michigan. Obama will get the AA vote and probably the elite liberal vote in Ann Arbor and Lansing, but pretty much everything else will go Republican.

    If Hillary is the nominee, she can win Michigan. The economically-based strategy that she used in OH and PA will work for her here. I think her biggest challenge will be getting out the AA vote, but she should be OK there if she gets certain local politicians on her side.

  174. Guys who will along with me email supers tomorrow? Please everyone respond, I will make a list of who is ready to help and we will go the delegate site that shows who has not endorsed and get the emails. We need to contact all of them and let me say there is a lot! SO PLEASE WHO WILL HELP ME THIS WEEK?

  175. The vote issue has been pretty much ignored by the local media. It’s like nothing ever happened. The media in Detroit would rather focus on the Kwame Kilpatrick scandal. (I notice Obama didn’t go anywhere near Kilpatrick while he was in this state!)

  176. WaPo;

    Hillraisers Still ‘In it to Win’

    By Matthew Mosk
    About 50 top fundraisers for Sen. Hillary Clinton packed into the living room of the candidate’s Washington home this afternoon to express their continued belief in the candidate and her mission, several of those who attended said today.

    This was not an intervention aimed at persuading her to make a graceful exit, said fundraising co-chair Hassan Nemazee. “The message was, we’re in it to the end, we’re in it to win, and we still believe we can win.”

    Nemazee, a New York investment banker, said Clinton came across as surprisingly energetic and “quite determined” and, he said, she told the group she was “not willing to stop fighting.”

    Those in the room were “not delusional,” said another of Clinton’s “Hillraisers,” who have each raised at least $100,000 for her bid. “We all recognize this is an uphill battle.”

    Nemazee agreed, saying the Clinton faithful understand that there remains only “a narrow path” to the nomination, “but there is a path.” He said the group committed to redouble efforts to persuade superdelegates to wait for the remaining contests to unfold before picking their candidate.

    Nemazee did not rule out the possibility that Sen. Clinton would loan more of her own money to the campaign, though he said the subject did not come up this afternoon.

  177. winhillary

    yep i am still here but heading off to bed in a minute
    just wanted to respond to your request/challenge 😀

    and you can count me in tomorrow!!

    Sweet dreams everyone!!

    just remember! last night Hillary put lipstick on the pig! and she will put the eye shadow on next tuesday! 😀

  178. I have an e-mail from John Edwards, asking for a donation for his project. How did I get on his list? Maybe, it was when, I e-mailed him, asking him to support Hillary. I will, certainly unsubscribe. How disgusting. He stabs Hillary, and has the nerve to ask for a donation. The world is topsy-turvy.

  179. birdgal
    I replied to Edwards email telling him to have Obama fund his program since I am sure Obama paid off his campaign debts.

  180. Does anyone have edwards email. I mean this guy and his wife were for universal health care and now he wants everyone to go to college. Food, shelter and safety comes before college. We need to take care of the sick first, the college! These elite’s are so out of touch, john apparently has never been without healthcare!

  181. Ok, I just thought of a little joke…it is for you San Francisco people:

    “Did you hear Barack Obama said he was misquoted about meeting with Castro unconditionally?”

    No?

    Turns out what he really said was “I’ll meet you on the Castro unconditionally”.

    Ahh, now it makes more sense!

  182. just took a trip to mccain’s ebsite and facebook for kicks. as expected the sites arent dominated by repubs-but by clinton dems! holy smokes. i hope we go to denver to the mat. its brokered anyway

  183. Ok I know this is off topic ladies but I want you to know that im all about safety and of course this election, but this is something that I just found online and I really think we should give this to all the women we love it is a pepper spray ring! Can you believe it! Ok I will give you the website here. Please know that I am aware this is off topic but if you could help save a life with some one we love and ourselves this is worth it to me to tell all women on this blog, at least check it out.

    http://www.safetyprotectionfirst.com/product/STUNRING

  184. Nemazee agreed, saying the Clinton faithful understand that there remains only “a narrow path” to the nomination, “but there is a path.”

    That path is the popular vote. And this depends on the GOTV. Donate and call.

    I will not go to the McCain sites unless I am forced to do so, that is if Hillary does not get the nomination or drops out (which ever comes first), and not one minute sooner. Just the very act of doing so would signal to me in a very subtle way, that I have lost faith in our cause. I haven’t yet. That is exactly what the media wants me to do, to psychologically begin to bail out on Hilary. I am too stubborn to be fooled by a bunch of losers that could not get real jobs.

    Please join in me in staying strong. We have been through it all together, for all these last months. We are almost there. This is a contest of wills. Let’s make it to the finish line.

    Thanks

  185. Just sent Judas EDwards a response to his use of my mail address to solicit funds for OBAMA.
    I must say that I feel that the curtain is coming down on BHO and his trail of job seekers that are endorsing him,most of whom have severe character and credibility problems and are straw clutching for their next 15 minutes of fame and fortune. Buyers Remorse will set in for them very shortly. Notice how the MSM and their talking heads are touting his win over Hillary,but are also adding a new condition.Namely “He will be our next President,UNLESS SOMETHING BAD TURNS UP ABOUT HIM ”
    The MSM is holding back because Hillary is still her and will go on for as long as it takes.TheY all are aware of the REZKO trial findings and the Evelyn Pringle documentatios of Barack Hussein Obama’s deep involvement in gutter politics and fraud and the Jeramiah Wright plan for his future in the black movement.
    Take heart all you Hillary supporters.It is all going to hit the fan for that group of SD’s MSM and Talking heads on Radio and TV.

    I have never in my 90 yrs have watched and seen such a brave and dedicated person against such a crush of political asassins and the “MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX” Hillary you are the National Treasure and we must defend these forces of Evil that are taking over our great nation.Fight on all and support her.Our future depends on her.

    “IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ‘

    by a proud ABM90

  186. Just got back from West Virginia. In the afternoon Hillary toured a flower market, thanked her supporters and looked radiant. I had a chance to see her again and reassure her of our continuiing support and commitment. Also spoke to Terry McAliffe and I am confident there is a path to victory here. Her victory speech was absolutely inspiring and the support that West Virginia showed was amazing. Onward.

  187. I have heard from a few of my very reliable sources as to what Hillarys game plan actually is.

    She knew exactly what was going to go down a long time ago from the DNC with Obama and has a game plan of her own from way back.

    1 : Wait until all the Judases have been smoked out, get them out in the open. She’s now done that.
    2 : Weaken your opponent one day at a time, she’s done that.
    3 : Get the nuclear weapon ready to be sent at the the most effective point or else its a waste, that day will be very soon.

    Don’t think the most experienced politicians ever do not know how to handle this, they are waiting to do the cobra strike and then force the party to submit. Hillary would not still be in there if she had no plan as to whats going to happen.

  188. Moonpluto,
    Thanks for the peptalk.
    I’ve been trying to figure out why I sometimes get so depressed by this election and I just realized the ‘plot’ is very similar to an (unpublished) novel I wrote. i did tons of research into the Salem witch trials and what HRC is going through reminds me of that. what do you think? here’s the synopsis.
    THE FIREKEEPER
    The Firekeeper begins with the Inquisition in late seventeenth century Germany and ends in Ferndale, Massachusetts, a New England town reeling from the aftermath of the Salem Witchcraft Trials. The heroine, Norma Winston, is the designated heiress to a long tradition of occult knowledge. The Firekeeper chronicles her transformation from a helpless child unable to rescue her mother from being burned at the stake into a warrior who reclaims the heritage she’s long denied, attacks the negative association between women and witchcraft and champions the cause of the persecuted.

  189. Its classic political spy warfare.

    You make sure the spies lurking in the shadows come out into the open before you launch the whole stealth attack because then you don’t just take down the enemy but the circle of spies in one foul swoop.

    Kennedy, Kerry, Edwards, Richardson and Pelosi has basically put their careers on the line here with Obama. Once the bombshell comes down, then Hillary can take them all out at the same time, not just Obama.

    She will own them.

  190. moonpluto,

    ‘You make sure the spies lurking in the shadows come out into the open before you launch the whole stealth attack because then you don’t just take down the enemy but the circle of spies in one foul swoop.’

    Can you recommend a book that discusses these strategies? i know i could google but I’d rather have recommendations so i don’t waste time on BS.

  191. moononpluto, I don’t think the Hillary camp anticipated that there were so many Judases in her plan A. She is running Plan B if there is one.

  192. Iwas out most of last night and stayed away from the tv but all of my worse sentiments about Edwards have been confirmed.

    He is an opportunistic person and clearly his rhetoric about wanting UHC for all people was a lie as Hillary Clinton is the only canidate who has true UHC.

    Hillary did all the leg work, tours, position papers on poverty and Obama spat in his face and who did Edwards support- what a joke!

    I am waiting until 9am to call NARAL to give them a piece of my mind. I emailed them yesterday and they can forget about getting any kind of donation from me.

    Women hating on another sucessful woman and they didn’t even have the decency to consult their chapters.

    I am off to donate to Hill again and call KY tomorrow.

    Guys this was planned. I always thought that Edwards leaned to Obama especially as he was all to willing to join with Bambi to gang up on Hillary during the debates and to pile on when she teared up in NH.

    I saw him suddenly come back into the limelight doing all the tv shows and I knew that it was a done deal. He was in Bambi’s pocket to be trotten out like the token mail to counter his ass whipping from WV.

  193. Don’t Forget and get the word out.
    The EVELYN article Curtain Time For BArack Obama Part II will be out today thur 5/15/09.It keeps piling up behind the Fan and FaX is ready to throw the switch when they think Obama is ready to be fully exposed. Pres. Bush ,in a speech in Israel,called him an appeaser.McCain gave his AMEN and Hillary is just sittiing back and enjoying the Curtain coming down slowly and effectively on BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. She is one Sharp and lovely brave woman.MY prayers for her,are being heard.

    Another Beautiful Morning to all

    ABM90

  194. I can’t help but think that Hillary is armed and ready for the DNC meeting at the end of May. I’m sure she has had a bevy of brilliant lawyers working on her defense. Brazille has said the meeting will be open. I think that will be the worst decision they have ever made. The manipulation and sexism against Hillary will be front and center. What she will have in her corner? Americans far and wide, faith, and democracy.

  195. Correction: I meant to say Part III of Curtain Time by Evelyn Pringle will be released today Thur 5/15.

    Sorry about that.It’s the one finger typing and I have large hands

    ABM90

  196. I just checked my email and I’m livid! I received an email from John Edwards at 9:46.25pm re his College Fund mission.

    The problem is that I have never signed up for Edwards or Obama’s site or anything remotely related to them.

    I was on the DNC’s mailing list but I asked them to take me off which it appeared as if that was done.

    So why then was my email addy given to Obama who clearly gave it to Edwards. This is a violation of my privacy and my wishes.

    I responded to Edwards by telling him that I thought that this was a quid pro quo endorsement and he to me is a faker, a sell out who traded his name for a mailing list, 5mins in the spotlight and a promised cabinet position.

    My opinion of John Edwards just sank lower and I thought that it couldn’t reach much lower than it already was.

    Taylor, if you are looking for a story, this is it. Quid pro quo baby!

    Howard Dean will get a phone call from me today. Does anyone have the DNC’s phone#? I suggest that others call as well. What a violation of trust as I clearly asked that my name be removed from the DNC mailings.

  197. ANBM,
    I hope you’re right the curtain is coming down. I have to confess I feel a bit demoralized today.
    Jan,
    In 21st century Amercia, sexism and misogny are ok, just as they were in 17th century Salem, Massachusetts, in Medieval Europe, in world history, but pointing out the deliberate use and distrotion of the ‘race card’ isn’t.
    Like Ercia jong said in a NYT op ed piece, Racism trumps sexism every time and gender trumps all else.
    Yeah, (geeklove) we’ve come a long way, baby. 😥

  198. I am watching CNN, and from what I can gather, President Bush made a speech in Isral and took on Obama in major way (CNN interpertation). Obama getting a taste of the Republican and Rove Machine!!

  199. “I hope you’re right the curtain is coming down. I have to confess I feel a bit demoralized today.”

    Cheer up Basil. It is always darkest before the dawn. Moon is right. Of course she has a plan C. Otherwise she would not be spinning her wheels and working down her bank account. Hang in there. Kind of like riding a rollercoaster. Up one day, down the next, up again, etc. and so forth. Just fasten your seatbelt and close your eyes. It will all be over soon.

  200. I thought someone would post this video but it hasn’t shown up yet so here it is.

    More proof of Waffles sexism and disregard for women.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/13/what-is-it-they-see-in-him/

  201. paddy4hill,

    ‘just fasten your seatbelt and close your eyes. It will all be over soon.’

    isn’t that what rapists say to their victims? Or what lots of women do during marital duties?

    Sorry pad, i am in one foul mood today. I know you didn’t mean it that way but I’m just feeling so friggin’ vicariously exploited. 😀

  202. I think the Clintons know, that no one is your friend in politics. If there is a bomb shell maybe it will drop a few days before the DNC meeting at the end of May

  203. basil, really gross. I hope they delete your comments before somebody who has been sexually assaulted sees them. They may not be as understanding of your bad mood as we your friends are.

    Cheer up. We are going to win this one. Politics is dirty business. Now we understand why this was a “man’s business” for so long. And why it is important to bring more women in to balance some of the foulness. We are just starting on this long journey. It is never easy being the first. There may be some consolation in knowing we are making American history.

  204. paddy4Hill
    “Politics is dirty business. Now we understand why this was a “man’s business” for so long.”
    How far back are you going? Eleanor Roosevelt thought it was a nasty bz too — till she got into it and found she loved it! Like Hill, she was a real scrapper!

  205. Basil9

    I just view the video, and had to share it with people. I found it disturbing and revealing. There is something terrible wrong here.

    Thank you for revealing this.

  206. Bush suggests Obama wants ‘appeasement’ of terrorists

    JERUSALEM (CNN) – In a particularly sharp blast from halfway around the world, President Bush suggested Thursday that Sen. Barack Obama and other Democrats are in favor of “appeasement” of terrorists in the same way U.S. leaders appeased Nazis in the run-up to World War II.

    “Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along,” said Bush, in what White House aides privately acknowledged was a reference to calls by Obama and other Democrats for the U.S. president to sit down for talks with leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    “We have heard this foolish delusion before,” Bush said in remarks to the Israeli Knesset. “As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/15/bush-suggests-obama-wants-appeasement-of-terrorists/?iref=werecommend

  207. paddy,

    Sorry. I know i probably stepped over the line. But combined with Waffles comments, from the ‘You’re likeable enough, Hilary,’ to the one-finger salute, to the Senate snub, to the treatment of her by his supporters, which he does nothing to control, to his ‘sweetie’ comment and the journalists gone wild video, not to mention his stunning ignorance, saying Tuesday that Iraqi interpreters need to be redeployed to afghnaistan where they need Arabic interpreters even though they don’t speak Arabic there . . . it just feels like one half of the country is being gangbanged by the other. Guess that’s too graphic?

  208. basil…….I think that is the best description of what is going on and who obama is
    and share your thoughts on it!

  209. Only in Chicago……

    Only in Chicago can they come up with a scheme to have a married couple represent 2 different districts in the US Congress. What do they plan on doing each live 6 months in the other’s district??

    Exclusive: Sandi Jackson might run for Congress too
    Michael Sneed: Sneed hears ailing U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, who’s battling cancer, is being urged to resign so a successor would be in place before the November election. The stunner: Sneed hears rumbles Ald. Sandi Jackson is on the short list and could make history by becoming, along with her husband — U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. — the first couple in Illinois to represent separate districts.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/951270,CST-NWS-SNEED15.article

  210. basil9

    Your feeling are complelely my own. I have felt that we have been witnessing the beating of a women, and the world is turning its back. It is like the policemen who comes to the door, and considers the blood he sees on the women who answers it as an internal matter. I want to do something, but I don’t know what. I don’t understand why women have not been more supportive. Instead they act like sexual objects that in a world that those of us over 50 have fought so hard for them not to become.

  211. Basil: I have had the same thoughts. Gang banged by the other side and the media. It is disgusting. What they are doing, I hope they pay for in November, because:

    “Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into “the enemy” is insane. Last week’s enemy was working-class white people. The Democrats can win without a majority of white voters — as Obama strategists undiplomatically note — but they can’t win without a strong showing among them.”

    snip

    Obama can’t beat John McCain without large chunks of Clinton ‘s core constituency: women, Hispanics and the white working class. Dumping on their candidate is one step removed from dumping on them — and some of the Obama people don’t even bother with that step. Rove must be enjoying the show.

    seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004411946_harrop14.html

  212. The whole idea that the DNC could force us to accept Michelle as the “first lady” is just disgusting to me. My feelings have nothing to do with race. No I take that back. It has everything to do with her pulling the race card every time she opens her mouth. It has everything to do with her insults and feeling of superiority when it comes to the Clintons. I just see red when I think of the ramifications.

  213. So taking himself off the ballot in Michigan because he knew he couldn’t win…is that the same as shunning West Virginia for the same reason? Is this a pattern to manipulate the final results in his favor?

  214. clintondem,

    I don’t know what you mean.

    Could you be more specific or provide a link? I don’t know much about mydd.

  215. I do not share Hannity’s conservative position and I am angered when he critisizes Hillary unfairly but he has every right to an opinion.At least he is not as extreme as the disgraceful bunch al MSNBC and CNN.As the old saying goes” They are so hateful,they could crawl under a snake;s belly with a high hat on”.When Hillary is elected and settles into that chair in the oval office,public outrage will again be heard and the good ol boys will be swept out with the didgusting media characters that have poisoned the lives and dreams of so many dedicated and caring political choices that we have made. It will soon be time to hold our noses and walk past this corrupt and vicious group of charlatans.

    By ABM90 Keep on Hillary we love you

  216. basil9 said:

    thought someone would post this video but it hasn’t shown up yet so here it is.

    More proof of Waffles sexism and disregard for women.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/13/what-is-it-they-see-in-him/

    I posted the video.

  217. clinton dem,

    I get it. 😳

    I gotta say i don’t know how to navigate around mydd. Can’t even figure out how to post on TM.

    McCain just finished a strong speech.

  218. clinton dem,

    how would i have found your link if you hadn’t posted it?

    I mean, where would i have searched for your name and the post?

  219. I contributed to the “Bombshell” rumor by reporting Robert Novak’s claim to direct knowledge of it’s existence. I regret that since it probably gives some people false hope. Fortunately a few others on here have wisely dismissed it as nothing more than a rumor. Novak also admits he doesn’t know what it is all about.

    If Hillary’s campaign had such a bombshell I feel sure they would have already used it. What would be the purpose of waiting? The suggestion that they are looking for the “right way to release it” sounds ludicrous to me. That campaign is loaded with political expertise. They could quickly find a way to get the information out if they had it.

    I don’t mind hoping for it, but I won’t believe it until I see it. I refuse to get my hopes built up too high just so I can suffer a big let down. I believe Hillary has enough going for her already. She can win this nomination, and I still believe she will do it.

  220. Sherm,

    I agree. If HRC had something it would have already come out.

    😥

    But she can still win.

  221. Help help help!

    I’m having a fight with someone over AIM! Right now!

    They told me to think of three differences between Hillary Clinton’s environmental plan and BHO’s!

    HELP! I need three!! Help!

  222. I feel really stupid. I’m blanking. I don’t want to lose this argument, against a godd*mn ‘bot who used to be my friend.

  223. That’s it! If this person is going to be like this, I’m AIM blocking them! F*ck.

    I need coffee. I knew the answer…but I didn’t remember the numbers. This sucks. I hate feeling uninformed. I hate it. And I really care about environmental issues too. Today, I’m going to inform myself.

  224. newmexicofan, clintondem,

    Know what the worse thing about that clip is? The unabashed unashamed approval and participation by the female journalists.

    And THIS is who’s reporting the news to us?

    PADDY4HILL!!!!!!!

    Hope I didn’t insult you. I KNOW you’re my buddy and i really treasure that.

    👿

  225. I’m not so sure that if Hillary had something very damaging that she would use it. If it is of a personal nature regarding Obama, then I don’t think she would play that card. If has to do with his professional ability to be president, i.e. beliefs that are contrary to U.S. safety, then maybe she would.

    I’m probably in the minority here.

  226. Women have borne 4,000 years of male contempt. Why do we go on taking it?
    It is time to give to men the same treatment they have been giving us .

    I want to tell the next generation of women this:
    Do not ever trust men, any men, until they prove they are mature enough to stand side by side with you – that means you must learn to live alone and be strong.
    When you meet a bully-boy, take every advantage you can pry out of them and then stick it to them when you can.
    Teach your daughters to know the enemy.
    Pamper your little boys. Let them know they are sweet and cute and lovable and almost as admirable as women.
    Educate your daughters in the arts and sciences and business, economics and politics, but encourage your sons to think of nothing but sports.
    Show your daughters that men are useful as muscle and as sex objects, but are never to be taken seriously.
    Most of all teach your daughters to respect and assist women who respect women
    Unless we do this, unless we raise a few generations of women to take hold of the world, we are doomed to be forever the second-rate gender, mocked, scorned and hated. The pursuit of equality has failed The time has come to create daughters who will know they are superior to men and sons who will know they are inferior to women. This is a real war, and it’s time to behave accordingly.

    That’s what the msm and this primary election have taught me.
    I am angry and I’m never going to stop being angry. Never.

  227. Sherm

    The only bombshell I would like to see is Fitzgerald opening a sealed indictment with Obama’s name on it after Rezko is convicted next week. Fitzgerald does like going up the food chain.

  228. Does anybody remember the website where you get to see the contrast of Hillary and BHO and McCain’s positions on different issues? I know I’m going to get an e-mail from this loser, and I like having a cheatsheet. I know I saw one once, but I don’t remember where it was.

    Not that it’s all about issues, at all. It’s how you approach the issues, your leadership, your assertiveship, your attitude, AND NOT BEING A HUGE LIAR AND CULT LEADER LIKE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. BHO is NO option for me, no matter what his “positions” are, because he has zero experience and is an overall lying waffle.

  229. GOOD NEWS!!!!

    well i have spent the morning touring my JRE supporter blogs (these are his hardest core supporters from his website blog during the campaign that have supported him for years!!)
    and the word is ……they are NOT falling for OBAMA even if JRE endorsed.

    I am seeing a lot of “how could he endorse obama” posts. They are definitely bewildered and upset
    and are even questioning edwards authenticity since he said 4 days ago he wouldn’t endorse and then turns around
    and endorses obama……and they now think that even though John edwards has said he was vying for VP that they
    think anything is possible , since now they see him for the pol that he is.

    oh and wright,ayers his sexism “boys club” and attitude etc has played a huge part in why they won’t support obama

    😀

  230. basil9,

    I posted the link in my earlier post: Here it is:

    mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/101425/513

  231. rjk,

    Now that would be sweet!!!!!!!

    Hallow, can’t help you on that. I’m practically braindead today.
    😳

  232. lil ole grape

    I have one daughter and 4 sons…….and believe me i am doing my best to teach them all a different way 😀

  233. Elizabeth Edwards did her best to make a man of John, but she came into his life too late to fill up the emptiness.

  234. lil ole grape.

    i agree. problem is there’s an awful lot “Women who don’t support other women.” As Thatcher says, there’s a special place in he11 for them.

    Another great leader said this;
    Ghandi:
    First they ignore you
    then they ridicule you
    then they attack you
    And then you win.

  235. Besides, Admin said it best. So, forget about him. He’s a cardboard character — that’s why he loses.

  236. Get out your ouija board and tell old Ghandi that we’ve had the ignore, the ridicule, the attack for 4000 years — ask him when do we win?

  237. clintondem,

    here’s a link to Malkin’s (ugh) comments.

    michellemalkin.com/2008/05/09/breaking-news-video-journalists-ogle-obama/

  238. Ghandi was a man, when he spoke people listened, when he was kind and gentle it was so unmale it was a revelation — no-one knew how to cope with that kind of man.

  239. djia

    I was kind of wondering how it would fall out. Edwards had a person in his staff that I heard would go ballistic if he endorsed Hillary. But when I have heard Edward speak, I saw a lot of Hillary issues and ideas.

    As we all know, when they endorse, the followers do not follow. I am also wondering what will happen when Kerry, and Kennedy are up for re-election. The areas they have been sent into, have not followed. The latest organization to betray might find themselves with a lot of funding cancellations. We were suppose to have an event here, and I see people cancelling.

    This reminds me of the Union in Nevada, which put great pressure on its people to follow. These were people who were new citizens and they understood a Democracy and they stood up for it. They were threatened with shift changes and retaliation. As I remember, they did not vote. I think they showed great courage.

    We have seen this guts and courage all along the road. In Iowa, I watch a room where O people walked over and tried to steal H people. They stood strong in front of their neighbors and friends.

    Can you imagine what it took to stand in line in Philadelphia?

    We and the People must stand strong now for Senator Clinton. There might not be a scandal out there, but I know there are deals and other relationship. The people of WV had heard enough. I think the people in KY have also.

    You can dismiss the win (tough when it is 41%), but you cannot deny the numbers.

    By the way, do you think he calls all those female reporters Sweetie on the Plane????

  240. The Waffles strategy;
    Take on Bush and McCain.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/obama-takes-iss.

    Problem is, Bush didn’t mention Waffles.
    More brainwashing.

  241. Hallow, go to Hillary’s site. Look at her positions, and HAVE the other guy counter YOU, to tell YOU, how waffles positions differ from hers. Put him on the defensive.

  242. Henry, I like that. I also think that SD are not DD for Dumb Delegates. I guess that is harsh, but that is how they are behaving.

  243. Hallow, waffles voted for the Bush-Cheney energy policy, Hillary did not. It is a big give away to the oil interests. Look at Hillary’s site for information, under issues.

  244. NMF

    I think that person your referring to was Dave “mudcat” sauders

    here’s what he had to say recently

    The AP reports:(writers Nedra Pickler and Stephen Ohlemacher in Washington, Gary D. Robertson in Raleigh, N.C., contributed…)

    A person close to Edwards, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he [Edwards] wanted to get involved now to begin unifying the party. Obama also signed on to Edwards’ anti-poverty initiative, which he launched Tuesday with the goal of reducing poverty in the United States by half within 10 years.

    David “Mudcat” Saunders, a chief adviser for Edwards on rural affairs during his presidential campaign, said the timing of the endorsement couldn’t be better given Obama’s resounding loss in West Virginia on Tuesday.
    “For Barack Obama, I think he ought to kiss Johnny Edwards on the lips to kill this 41-point loss,” he added. “The story is not going to be the 41-point loss. It’s going to be Edwards’ endorsement.”

    Maybe.
    But there are other overt and covert considerations to evaluate… even though most of the big news media has decided today to frame this news as being about Obama only, rather than seeing that it may also massively stimulate his opponent to more determined than ever. Among those considerations to weigh might be these:

    If the endorsement is meant to show solidarity by one party member toward one of the candidates, that is a fait acoompli. Unifying the party at this point is likely premature. Unifying isnt done by one person saying ‘unify now.’ It is a far more many layered process that includes more meeting and greeting with many groups and people. That would be later. Not now.

    Also, Edwards may be looking to see if there might be a place as VP should Obama be the Democratic candidate. Edwards was John Kerry’s VP pick in the 2004 election, which was lost to George Bush and Dick Cheney.

    Certainly Edwards holds to liberal ideals, and/ but endorsements dont mean what they once did. Many ho-hum over endorsements and go ahead and vote as they saw, see, and still see fit. John Edwards can endorse Obama or the moon, and it wont change the mind of those with dedicated circuitry otherwise. Not Dems, not Repubs, not Indies.

    BUT:
    –Obama has a total of 1,887 delegates, needing only 139 delegates short of the 2,026 required to ‘winner take all.’
    –Clinton has 1,718 delegates, according to the latest tally by AP, 308 short of the 2,026 required for “winner take all.”

    AND:
    this is the crucial part:
    Edwards has 19 pledged delegates he won in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. According to AP, most of those delegates have already been selected, meaning they are technically free to support whomever they choose at the party’s national convention, regardless of Edwards’ endorsement.

    THAT, I think, is the meat of this news, as well as its possible momentum.

    And though most voters with their own ideas about who they’ll vote for, may not care who Edwards endorses… you-know-who is surely listening and strategizing about those ‘freed up’ superdelegate votes….

    It may be a show-down at the OK corral at the Democratic Convention in Denver, after all.

    As I wrote at TMV yesterday, contenders who are given a win by default are one kind of winner. And, winners who take it to the absolute lung-busting last moment, are an entirely different kind of winner altogether.

    What will come now in terms of each candidate’s strategies, is anyone’s guess.
    themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/19627/edwards-speaks-but-who-listens-edwards-endorses-obama/

  245. better than sweetie how bout sweet cheeks as he took every opportunity in the reporters gone wild clip to show it off. yuck.

  246. henry,
    hahahaha. ‘sweetie.’ ‘:wisted:

    newmexicofan,
    great analogy.

    I’m outta here for now. Hope t hear great news when i get back. Sorry again if I offended anyone or if i was a wet-blanket this morning.

  247. lil ole grape

    I like Little Sweetie LS. Maybe we should change Dumb Delegate DD to Little Sweetie Delegates LSD, now that works for me.

    The LSDs have voted to support the LS.

  248. I have to admit watching the reporters gone wild video made me very sad. How many REAL journalists would give thier eye teeth to follow a candidate for the POTUS on the campaign trail. I read quite a bit of male bashing here today and I was fortunate to have two wonderful parents but I as a man felt uncomfortable reading. I don’t think anyone here wants to alienate the male vote but if I were an oblhblah supporter trying to convince a male friend leaning hillary such statements taken out of context might just do the trick.
    don’t mean to preach just saying this an open forum and you don’t know who is reading or how it will later be portayed.

  249. I apologize for being so depressed last night….I rarely drink, but got toasted I was so pissed off about that weasel Edwards and how smug sat there while all along he would not let the Michigan votes count. Just got in from court(hungover) and wonder if there is any good news?

  250. Henry, I did not mean to offend you. However, O knows what is going on in that airplane, and he did nothing to dignify the atmosphere, and in fact condoned it.

    This was not meant against men, but the environment that O has created in his campaign.

    They can always twist your words.

  251. This is kind of unrelated, but did you hear the awful speech Bush made this morning to a group for the 60th anniversary of the founding of Israel? He said that talking with Iran was as foolish as talking to Hitler after he invaded Poland.

    Hillary said she would be heavily in favor of fighting Iran if Iran moved against Israel, but Iran has not done that. I don’t think Hillary would be in favor of invoking Hitler. That was very wrong of Bush. I hope Hillary comes out against Bush’s statements today. It would be a good political move.

  252. I liked Bush’s speech as it put Obama on the spot..everyone knoes he is weak on defense and Hillary very capable on these issues.

  253. Henry

    your absolutely right…… I think as a woman, we (women) have lived in a world that “equality” has been to some extent non existent. It is especially non existant in this primary election. when the sexism is so blatant and ugly as the BO camp/DNC has been towards hillary we (women) take on all the feelings that have come before us by our female predecessors and of our own
    experiences….it is often very over whelming to say the least.
    we obviously tend to forget at times about those we do not see or hear from on this board when we release our emotions
    and it is good to have a voice of reason to pull us back to the reality that this forum is a much bigger place than
    it often appears.

    thank you!

  254. Misogyny I Won’t Miss
    By Marie Cocco
    Thursday, May 15, 2008
    The Washington Post

    As the Democratic nomination contest slouches toward a close, it’s time to take stock of what I will not miss.

    I will not miss seeing advertisements for T-shirts that bear the slogan “Bros before Hos.” The shirts depict Barack Obama (the Bro) and Hillary Clinton (the Ho) and are widely sold on the Internet.

    I will not miss walking past airport concessions selling the Hillary Nutcracker, a device in which a pantsuit-clad Clinton doll opens her legs to reveal stainless-steel thighs that, well, bust nuts. I won’t miss television and newspaper stories that make light of the novelty item.

    I won’t miss episodes like the one in which liberal radio personality Randi Rhodes called Clinton a “big [expletive] whore” and said the same about former vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro. Rhodes was appearing at an event sponsored by a San Francisco radio station, before an audience of appreciative Obama supporters — one of whom had promoted the evening on the presumptive Democratic nominee’s official campaign Web site.

    I won’t miss Citizens United Not Timid (no acronym, please), an anti-Clinton group founded by Republican guru Roger Stone.

    Political discourse will at last be free of jokes like this one, told last week by magician Penn Jillette on MSNBC: “Obama did great in February, and that’s because that was Black History Month. And now Hillary’s doing much better ’cause it’s White Bitch Month, right?” Co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski rebuked Jillette.

    I won’t miss political commentators (including National Public Radio political editor Ken Rudin and Andrew Sullivan, the columnist and blogger) who compare Clinton to the Glenn Close character in the movie “Fatal Attraction.” In the iconic 1987 film, Close played an independent New York woman who has an affair with a married man played by Michael Douglas. When the liaison ends, the jilted woman becomes a deranged, knife-wielding stalker who terrorizes the man’s blissful suburban family. Message: Psychopathic home-wrecker, begone.

    The airwaves will at last be free of comments that liken Clinton to a “she-devil” (Chris Matthews on MSNBC, who helpfully supplied an on-screen mock-up of Clinton sprouting horns). Or those who offer that she’s “looking like everyone’s first wife standing outside a probate court” (Mike Barnicle, also on MSNBC).

    But perhaps it is not wives who are so very problematic. Maybe it’s mothers. Because, after all, Clinton is more like “a scolding mother, talking down to a child” (Jack Cafferty on CNN).

    When all other images fail, there is one other I will not miss. That is, the down-to-the-basics, simplest one: “White women are a problem, that’s — you know, we all live with that” (William Kristol of Fox News).

    I won’t miss reading another treatise by a man or woman, of the left or right, who says that sexism has had not even a teeny-weeny bit of influence on the course of the Democratic campaign. To hint that sexism might possibly have had a minimal role is to play that risible “gender card.”

    Most of all, I will not miss the silence.

    I will not miss the deafening, depressing silence of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean or other leading Democrats, who to my knowledge (with the exception of Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland) haven’t publicly uttered a word of outrage at the unrelenting, sex-based hate that has been hurled at a former first lady and two-term senator from New York. Among those holding their tongues are hundreds of Democrats for whom Clinton has campaigned and raised millions of dollars. Don Imus endured more public ire from the political class when he insulted the Rutgers University women’s basketball team.

    Would the silence prevail if Obama’s likeness were put on a tap-dancing doll that was sold at airports? Would the media figures who dole out precious face time to these politicians be such pals if they’d compared Obama with a character in a blaxploitation film? And how would crude references to Obama’s sex organs play?

    There are many reasons Clinton is losing the nomination contest, some having to do with her strategic mistakes, others with the groundswell for “change.” But for all Clinton’s political blemishes, the darker stain that has been exposed is the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture.

    Marie Cocco’s e-mail address is mariecocco@washpost.com

    Let’s thank her for this article.

  255. newmex
    I took no offense. The individuals lamenting the horrific treatment of women I agree with, however, I don’t know that bashing men serves the greater purpose. And the women on the plane had a minimum of BA’s and I would assume from decent schools and are acting like fans of a boy band. I say find out who was on that plane and lets send them a few choice emails.

  256. it would not be a good move for hillary to acknowledge anything bush said today

    apparently……bush made no mention of any names as to who he was referring to

    but BO claimed it and spoke out against bush…..romney was just on fox? cant remember now i have been flipping channels
    and he was basically pointing that out that bush never said a bo name and he was laughing saying “funny how bo assumed bush was talking about him” they will be hitting BO on this now

    Let him own it!!! 😀

  257. Oops, I didn’t read the end of that article. The rest of it is great. Don’t read the last paragraph (she is very wrong about that)!!

  258. dija
    thankyou
    but I must confess I have been just as guilty in referring to nancy pelosi with a derogative term far worse than anyone said today. I was angry and didn’t think, vented. And when called on it I was furious.
    I just hope I didn’t upset anyone today.

  259. jbstonesfan Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am
    I liked Bush’s speech as it put Obama on the spot..everyone knoes he is weak on defense and Hillary very capable on these issues.

    *********************************8
    What jbstonefan said

  260. djia. I agree, that this is a thorny issued, and BO should show his expertise or lack there of in handing this.

    Henry, yes I agree, we need to know the names of these women and call them out on this. Before I retired in 00, I noticed this female behavior in the Work Place, and found it disturbing.

    Just one last comment. Senator Clinton has the endoresement of the largest group of Military Leaders I have ever seen, to include former CofS. (I think those are 5 stars). I thought if we would see a prejudice in this campaign it might come from that group. But the military environment beginning with Wesley Clark have really risen in my estimations, and I have gain a new found respect for them.

    As Wesley Clark said in our Office in IOWA, she will make a great Commander In Chief, and she has this area down cold.

  261. Grape, all:
    “This is a real war, and it’s time to behave accordingly.”

    Clearly the battle lines are drawn. The NARAL misstep was really the last straw. Women are women’s own worst enemy in this battle, working from within the ranks for self-assured subjugation. yes, there is “a special place in hell” reserved for women who don’t support other women, all things being equal – or in Hillary’s case, superior.

    I’m going to raise the subject again: Is it time to resurrect the “National Woman’s Party?” I’d like to see BO or any other candidate try to get elected without the support of real women.

  262. henry

    I doubt you offended… I certainly wasn’t 😀

    it’s good to have reminders that its much more than just those of us that post here

  263. I know this has been said here but I want to make sure everyone fully understands it and reads the situation correctly:

    We are winning, and the Obama/MSM/DNC elite is panicking. Edwards, NARAL, etc are a desperate ploy to try to prevent WV II from happening in KY. And, based on all the history of this contest, they are likely to backfire. The voters — especially the white working class voters which Obama can’t win and which Sammy Powers was “obsessed” about — do NOT react well to being bullied, told how to vote or being called racist.

    What this means is that this series of moves by Bambi’s Brigade is likely to inflict a worse loss on him in KY than what was already going to happen. Good. When Judas is out discussing how JRE will help with blue collar voters in KY, the smell of fear is firmly in the air.

    HRC is playing all this perfectly. If the DNC wants to help her get rid of some campaign debt while concurrently shooting itself in the foot with JRE and NARAL, then Hillary is only too happy to help.

    I’m working on a piece on these developments right now. The most important part of all of this, however, for we HRC backers is to not get mad or rattled but instead to see this for what it is: A sign that the “Hell” I recently spoke of being unleashed on BHO has in fact begun to be rolled out. He and the Bambi Brigade are flatlining and they are making increasingly wild and desperate attempts to alter where this race is heading. And they’re failing, badly.

    As Admin and Berkely Vox said, the key things are these: Donate, phone bank in OR and KY like crazy and don’t fall for the feints of the Bambi Corps. Allow them to continue to call female journalists “sweetie” while we continue to bust our butts helping to make sure that the next West Virginia is in the wings.

    We are winning now. We are up in the popular vote, we just saw Bambi have his worst performance of the season after he announced plans for the OR celebration party and our opponent is in the process of committing hari kari. All we need to do is to continue running our race and in a few weeks from now we are going to be exactly where we want to be.

    The Bambi Brigade is now in quicksand: The more they try to influence the votes of the states to come, the more they are dooming The Fraudulent One to enormous defeats. As an HRC backer I welcome the Edwards Endorsement because it is both one less quiver in their arrow now and it shows that West Virginia was far more damaging than the Bambi Crew wanted to let on.

    Our adversary is in full retreat. Commanders, you know what to do.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  264. Below is some information and the superdelegates in Ohio that are uncommitted. Please post any other information or superdelegates from your states that need to be contacted, thank you.

    Dear Hillary Clinton Supporter,

    Hillary needs your help now as much as ever to win the nomination. As our campaign moves into the final states of this primary season, we need you to write, email or call the delegates in your state who are neutral and urge them to support Hillary. In addition, we want to contact the delegates who are supporting Hillary and thank them for their support.

    In this packet you will find contact information for all of the delegates who support Hillary or are undecided. You will also find sample letters, but we encourage you to make your letter as unique and personal as possible, adding your own reasons for supporting Hillary.

    The best letters are personal, polite and positive! Content can include any of the following:
    Thank them for their role in the Democratic Party and for taking their position as a delegate to our national convention seriously.
    Why you personally support Hillary. Why you voted for her in your state’s primary.
    Why you think she will make the best president.
    Thank them for taking the time to read your letter.

    Copied below you will find two sample letters: one for super delegates who support Hillary and one for undecided super delegates. Please feel free to use these as a guide, but we encourage you to use your own words to make your letter personal and original.

    Thank you for your continued support of Hillary Clinton.

    Sample Letters:

    For Delegates from YOUR state who are supporting Senator Clinton

    Dear ______________

    Thank you for supporting Senator Hillary Clinton. I truly believe that Senator Clinton is the best candidate to unite our state and our nation and move American forward beginning on day one.

    Now, more than ever, we need a leader of strength and substance who will win the White House and is prepared to end the war in Iraq, pass universal health care and re-establish America’s reputation in the world.

    Thank you again for your continued support of Hillary Clinton,
    Sincerely,

    Name
    Town, State

    ——————

    For Delegates from YOUR state who are neutral

    Dear ______________

    Thank you for your support of the Democratic Party and for all of your hard work on behalf of the ___ [State] democrats. In the ___ [state Primary or caucus], I supported Hillary Clinton because I believe that she is a leader of strength and substance who will be able to regain the White House for our Party and move America forward beginning on Day One.

    I urge you to consider supporting Senator Clinton in your role as a Delegate to the National Convention. Now more than ever, we need her to be our next President.

    Thank you for your time and consideration,

    Name
    Town, State

  265. Yes, Henry, Djia, of course, you are absolutely right. We must remember that someone may be watching and so we must say only what appeals to others. We must take care never to offend and never to say what we really feel or reveal how life is affecting us. … ho hum.

  266. Informed in Illinois

    You have raised something that has been on my mind lately. If I leave the Democratic party, where do I go. More women are registered to vote than any other segment. I felt that the Dems represented my issues, but this does not only seem to be true, but their lack of stopping the sexual attacks in my estimation condons what goes on.

    I will have little choice in November. So I call myself Independant. But I don’t view that as a solution.

  267. God I pray that snl picks up on the reporters gone wild video. It is so ripe with potential. If geeklove is reading why not flip the tables on him paint him in a video as a bimbo. the plane bit intersperced with 57 + states, the exaggerated death toll from tornadoe last year. I am sure there are many more faux pas. sorry to use the word bimbo but i don’t thing english has a male equilelent for the term
    oh wait yes it does — obama.

  268. I look at it like this .. I know what I’ll get with McCain. Waffles and crew are unknown and at this point I want to prepare rather than be blindsided. No vote for the “party line” from me. Not if Waffles and Crew are anyway on the ballot.

  269. NewMexicofan,

    That wasn’t a bad idea about anticipating Gore/Carter endorsements.
    Hil might want to just mention it & take the sting out. “I’d expect before it’s all over AG & JC might endorse.
    I’ll stick w/the endorsements of the american people.”

    Just a thought.

  270. Shenanigans, thanks! and now to work on the letters l
    …Henry, I love ya but the misogny thing causes great pain — as great as racism when it hits personally.

  271. LISTEN LOUD AND CLEAR

    Hill is still in it to WIN it!!

    As Maggie Williams says best, We will NOT be distracted!

    Now everyone!

    PLEASE MAKE CALLS TO OREGON AND KENTUCKY today, tomorrow and this weekend!!!

    Oregon is already voting with mail-in ballots! Our time is NOW so please call!

    When calling folks in Oregon, keep this helpful information handy:

    LGN or Bush Cheney Energy Bill that Obama voted for and Hillary opposed. LGN is Liquid Natural Gas pipeline that will run along our coastline and private farmlands (eminent domain). The state has no say because it’s a federal bill. Hillary will give back the state the right to make its own decisions.

    Let’s keep the momentum going… PLEASE MAKE CALLS TO OREGON AND KENTUCKY and fight for HILL!!

    Our best defense is a large vote turnout for her! We can help do it!

  272. Informed in Illinois

    you raise a good question…..and i would like to answer it with this…..

    where do the men in the democratic party who have also been disenfranchised by the DNC go??

    wouldn’t a “national womens party” be considered sexist? the very thing we are outraged at here on this forum?

    I think we would be a much larger and stronger third party if we included ALL that are fed up with the DNC

  273. lil o grape
    My bad I simply meant that there are a lot of men supporting and working very hard for Hillary and that the reporters on that plane were college educated women.

  274. Everyone, please ask yourself:

    “What am I going to do for Hillary today?”

    It can be donating your lunch money and bringing a bag lunch instead. It can be making a few calls to KY and OR. It can be RSVPing to a local party by a Hillary supporter for watching Hillary’s victory speech in KY.

    Or, it could be lighting a candle. Or closing your eyes and thinking positive thoughts.

    Giving off positive energy.

    Everyone doing a little bit can lead to a great lot being done. We don’t have to set the standards so high that people are afraid to contribute.

    Just, focus your energy.

    Focus.

  275. Blue Democrat, I have found if something shocking is going to happen, it is better anticipated, and announced. Then you can say, we knew it all along, and expected it. Don’t give them the shock factor.

    I agree about the third party not being sexists. But other than Independent, what would you call it. I am not extremely conservative, and not extremely liberal. I support women’s leadership, but I also support men’s leadership.

    So what do you call the middle of the road?

  276. clintondem99 – Well, it’s early in the day yet.

    I still REALLY liked the Marie Cocco article I posted a little higher up the thread. It was in the Washington Post today.

  277. djia, New Mex:
    You raise good points – where do the men go? Raised in a GOP household, later driven to embrace progressive values, I have always considered myself an Independent. And, I am married to a fabulous feminist man who is a loyal Dem – he has never considered voting GOP until now. And, most independent women like me have enthusiastically supported Democrats for decades. But, clearly, both parties in our two-party are engineered to take women for granted. You have only to look at the numbers in congress or in most state legislatures to see how poorly women are represented. The GOP considers women chattel; the Dems establishment feel the same way, but puts out a phoney line that most women accept at face value. I also think that women’s organizations have played a role in this situation; they have subjugated issues most important to ALL women – equality, education, family – in favor of wedge issues that attract only the left – choice, GLBT issues.

    Perhaps a party name that puts women first would attract righteous men who also have had enough – those with daughters – just as the suffragette movement did.

    Just my 2 cents. Hugs to all.

  278. What , if anything, can be done to change the minds of the SD’s this late in the game? Remember that creepy nerd college kid who Chelsea had lunch with and Bill called, yet he went for waffles??? WTF is wrong with the young people today???

  279. PS – Universal, Hallow: You are so right. Rest of the day: focus on helping Hillary (in between getting things done here at work).
    Hillary will be 44.

  280. Has Obama ever spoken out against the half of his heritage with a culture that hides women in burkas? Women had so few rights that even Barack Hussein Obama Senior had multiple wives at the same time.

  281. new mex
    what about something focusing on the centrist platform. I am a 41 year old man pro-choice, equal consideration for civil unions, anti death penalty( unless of course you hurt someone I care about, hypocrasy- I know) , gun control and blah blah blah, were it that i felt useless espoused any of those beliefs I might have considered voting for him. However, I feel that what has happenned is that many people in the democratic party saw SENATOR CLINTON walking into nomination and as the presidency was ripe for the picking opted to create a product and not a candidate and they assume they will take over the reigns. To them i say hell no.

  282. jbstonesfan said:
    What , if anything, can be done to change the minds of the SD’s this late in the game? Remember that creepy nerd college kid who Chelsea had lunch with and Bill called, yet he went for waffles??? WTF is wrong with the young people today???
    ———
    I don’t know, JB, but bemoaning it on a blog isn’t doing a damn thing. Maybe hearing from their constituent would help? You know, the people who voted them into the office or can vote them out, too?

  283. Here you go jbstonesfan, write letters to the editors in Kentucky….these voters are due up next:
    Action Alert! LETTERS TO THE EDITORS – KENTUCKY

    This week our goal is to get Letters to each of the Editors at the following Kentucky newspapers.

    The theme this week is: Why Hillary Clinton is the strongest at the top of the ticket for Democrats.

    It is important that Hillary Clinton supporters offer the newspapers a view of why our candidate is the best person for the job. Not every letter will get published; read here on some tips to increasing your chances of getting your letter published. Read other Rapid Responders’ submittals to newspapers here.

    You can find key talking points here. Remember to be effective, use the talking points as a starting point and add your personal story behind it. Your personal story and connection to why you are supporting Senator Clinton are more effective than stats and position papers.

    For example:

    Talking Point –

    * As President, Hillary will take on the insurance, oil, credit card and student loan companies. Hillary will provide quality health care, create clean energy jobs, help families get out of debt and make college affordable.

    A possible Letter to the Editor –

    * As President, Hillary will take on the insurance, oil, credit card and student loan companies. Hillary will provide quality health care, create clean energy jobs, help families get out of debt and make college affordable. In my family, these are real issues that affect us everyday. I have XX kids in college and I don’t want them burdened after finishing a degree with re-paying outrageously high interest college student loans. I want them to be able to join the workforce and contribute to society just as I did when I finished college. We need a President who is looking after the future of this country by helping the next generation of its workers. Hillary Clinton is that President.

    Here are the newspapers that we will outreach to this week:

    Newspaper
    Submit To:

    Daily Independent (Ashland) (KY)
    By Email: letters@dailyindependent.com

    The Kentucky Standard (KY)
    By Email: ltolliver@kystandard.com

    Bowling Green Daily News (KY)
    Online form click here

    Meade County Messenger (KY)
    By Email: messenger@bbtel.com

    Central Kentucky News Journal (KY)
    By Email: editor@cknj.com

    Kentucky Post (KY)
    Online form click here

    The Advocate-Messenger (KY)
    By Email: letters@amnews.com

    Georgetown News-Graphic (KY)
    Online form click here

    Glasgow Daily Times (KY)
    By Email: jbrown@glasgowdailytimes.com

    The Harlan Daily Enterprise (KY)
    Online form click here

    Courier & Press (KY)
    By Email: letters@evansville.net

    The Gleaner (KY)
    By Email: letters@thegleaner.com

    Kentucky New Era (KY)
    Online form click here

    The Oldham Era (KY)
    By Email: jstoess@oldhamera.com

    The Anderson News (KY)
    By Email: news@theandersonnews.com

    Lebanon Enterprise (KY)
    By Email: editor@lebanonenterprise.com

    Grayson County News-Gazette (KY)
    Online form click here

    Lexington Herald-Leader (KY)
    Online form click here

    The Sentinel-Echo (KY)
    By Email: aaltizer@sentinel-echo.com

    The Big Sandy News (KY)
    By Email: editor@bigsandynews.com

    Louisville Eccentric Observer (KY)
    By Email: leo@leoweekly.com

    Kentucky Weekly Transcript (KY)
    Online form click here

    Louisville Courier-Journal (KY)
    Online form click here

    The Messenger (KY)
    By Email: tclinton@the-messenger.com

    The Morehead News (KY)
    By Email: dbrown@themoreheadnews.com

    Murray Ledger & Times (KY)
    By Email: editor@murrayledger.com

    The Paintsville Herald (KY)
    By Email: news@paintsvilleherald.com

    Floyd County Times (KY)
    Online form click here

    The News Democrat Leader (KY)
    Online form click here

    Commonwealth Journal (KY)
    By Email: kshmidheiser@somerset-kentucky.com

    The Winchester Sun (KY)
    By Email: editor@winchestersun.com

  284. hallow,

    I read that article. It is really a sad state of affairs. There are lots of angry Hillary supporters. If BO is the nominee I am sure he would lose big in the GE. If 20% of Hillary supporters do not vote for him Obambi would be a goner.

  285. clintondem99 – Completely true. Obama’s chances of winning in PA, WV, KY are nil. The states Obama won were not swing states. I am starting to think that this whole nomination process does not tie at all to the GE…

  286. has the ADA endorsed?
    A childs oral health has been unequivacally linked to life time health. Not to mention that people without teeth have a hard time finding employment. I believe hills plan is comprehensive correct me if i am wrong.

  287. I have sent Marie Cocco a e-mail praising her for expressing in writing the anger we all feel.

  288. NMFan,
    “So what do you call the middle of the road?”

    The Third Way.

    ClintonDem,
    The Hill blackout began the night of the WV primary.
    The narrative shifted right to ,”What’s wrong with BO”, which we thought was good (it was) but its real intent was to speak of BO, and only BO, whenever and where ever possible the remainder of the way – while at the same time lessening overall campaign airtime and bringing more McCain coverage into the mix.
    Transitional phase for them, or so they hope.

  289. from hallow: If 20% of Hillary supporters do not vote for him Obambi would be a goner.

    I slightly disagree, we just need 5% of Hillary’s supporters to sit it out and 5% to crossover to McCain and Obama would be a goner.

  290. hallow and Informed in Illinois

    I think I tried to blog yesterday on the fact that we do not know where he stands on Women’s issues. When the nafa group endorsed him, I checked his record on abortion, 3 did not votes, and 1 yes for an amendment that did not pass.

    Men who have pet names for women are trying to put them down in my estimations, so I would again like to challenge someone to tell me what has been published that shows his stand on women’s issues.

    As far as the Centrists are concerned, there are a lot of things there I believe in. I have often felt that I was not as liberal as some parts of the Democratic party, but I put up with it as I thought they supported my issues. When they don’t it is time to leave.

  291. States he will lose
    OH, PA, WV, FL
    probably many more but I am not familiar with the breakdowns of the others but is there any way he can win without these states?

  292. In fact even if just 10% of Hillary supporters sit it out and not even cross over, Obama would still be a goner.

  293. rickya Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    from hallow: If 20% of Hillary supporters do not vote for him Obambi would be a goner.

    I slightly disagree, we just need 5% of Hillary’s supporters to sit it out and 5% to crossover to McCain and Obama would be a goner.

    A couple of weeks ago, I heard Karl Rove say that if the GOP received 20 % of Hillary’s supporters, they could win the GE.

    I don’t think the democratic elite care, if they win or lose the GE. This is about taking the Clintons out.

  294. “I don’t think the democratic elite care, if they win or lose the GE. This is about taking the Clintons out.”

    I wish it weren’t true. Bill Clinton shocked the Democratic Party back to life. The DNC has forgotten how much they owe him and Hillary.

  295. Djia, Hallow

    Thank you very much. 🙂 🙂

    We’re all on the same page here. I’m thankful that I can contribute and that we have places like Big Pink at which to speak the truth about what’s going on and where we can rally real Dems and work to get things done. If we can pull out OR, the whole nomination process is going to be a free-for-all.

    The Elitist Triad know this, and it is why they are doing everything they think possible to jury-rig the next few weeks.

    Our task is to prevent that from happening. The voters will do the rest. And if GodBrazila and her motley crew is stupid enough to try to kneecap FL and MI, then they will have doomed Bambi even worse in November if the elites chose to nominate him against the majority will of their registered constituents.

    In other words, the Titanic is in full ‘sink’ mode now. Don’t miss the chance to pour your own bucketfull of water on its doomed deck.

    🙂

    LOVED the broadside by Bush against Bambi in Israel. I’m listening to Rush right now and the Bambi Corps is
    FREAKING THE F*CK OUT over it. Yes!!!

    I never realized just how pathetic Haughty John Kerry is. My goodness he’s a loser. Good thing he married rich.

    My site gets all these hits from these little Massachusetts resort communities: Martha’s Vineyard, Nantucket, Cape Cod, etc. I’m sure Kerry, Chappy Ted and the rest of the Boston Brahman set doesn’t care for the analysis of them and their elitist friends which Big Pink, VillarrealSports.com, etc. are now offering up as the Massachusetts Posse tries to line up behind Harvard Boy.

    Here’s a tip for Sir Swiftboat, Ter-craze-a, Fat Lion and all rest of the members of the family who is scared to death that the Clintons are going to eclipse their bogus Camelot legacy:

    Get over yourselves. All the rest of us did a long time ago. We like you fine, but what we don’t like is you suckling this loser sweetie Obama at your misguided teat. We know you hate the Clintons because they did something you can’t — win the White House — but it’s time to get past your narrow interests and look out for the good of the party. If you do that, your legacy will be in much better shape.

    I just chuckled because a female caller to Rush just called Jaime Carter “the idiot peanut farmer.” After his propping-up BaDumbo, I can’t say that I disagree with that assessment.

    🙂

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  296. Birdgal
    I agree I believe this has nothing to do with what is best for the country but rather how do we get rid of the Clintons. If I was sitting in a room and someone asked me how do we take down the first woman with a shot at the whitehouse I would have selected someone akin to Obama, but I probably would have looked into his past.

  297. henry, I would love to see the blessed one lose MA. IMHO BO is going to lose traditional swing states FL,OH,MO,MI. McCain is a lot more popular with Latinos so he might win CO and NM. That would be nice kick on Judas’s butt.

  298. Did anyone see Hill’s interview with Brian Williams? Has it even aired? She said that she finishs what she starts and that she’ll continue till all the votes are counted and the delegates seated in FL and Mi ..

    Some are saying this is her way of starting an out for June 3..

  299. I think if we got Cinque and Rev. Manning together for an Obama riff duet, Obama could be laughed out of the country.

    Ha ha ha.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  300. Hillary had the largest % of votes per capita in my district in Palm Beach County….We Lieberman supporting McCain, he will get an even higher % of the Jewish vote down here which will hurt him. Still, I am disgusted having to talk about beating BO, when our lady should be the one…this is a nightmare….

  301. henry,

    Exactly! I don’t for a minute think that the DNC and Obama groupies thought that he couldn’t win. What a shock to all of them that he has so many dirty secrets. If their intent was to stop Hillary in their tracks, well it sure didn’t work like they planned.

    Instead they have come across as a bunch of thugs and bullies who cry if things don’t go their way, who try to slip everything negative about their wonderkind under the rug, and who have made a joke of their own mandate, i.e. democracy. Corruption is rife.

    I am 100% for Hillary winning. If by some godforsaken reason she is denied the nomination, I will just sit back and let the Republicans go after this pretender to the throne.

  302. are there any more endorsements? We need them so to distract the EDwards matter

  303. Okay so he was tired and forgot how many states–please I want my president to be able to answer that very simple question at any time any place. Yeah he was run down. i think an ad from a 527 using the 3 am call asking him how many states are in the union would be very effective.

  304. Cokie Roberts was very good on ABC …also a cancer survivor. The party is so afraid they will lose the AA vote they have kow towed to Sharpton/Jackson and Obama himself. Does anyone really think a majority of AA are going republican??? Yet, just like in the 60’s the dixiecrats all became republicans and now many of us moderate dems will become Independents or certainly sit out this election………We dems always know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

  305. Informed: Right on!

    Hallow: You are so correct about the teeth thing. Periodontal disease is a gateway for far more serious body illnesses and shortened life span, as well as drastically reduced quality of life.

    Can anybody tell me who has the best OR phonebanking info? It’s time for me to make some calls.

    🙂

  306. dyn.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/index.cfm/category/HillaryClinton

    Clinton backer backlash
    By Ben Smith 12:12 PM
    Politico.com

    My colleague Beth Frerking reports on something we’re likely to hear a lot more about in coming days: Grumblings from the almost-half of the party, disproportionately women, whose candidate is losing.

    An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.

    Led by Boomer-aged women, the group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, is holding a press conference in Columbus at noon to release this statement.

    Organizers Cynthia Ruccia, 55, and Jamie Dixey, 57, both from the Columbus area, say they’re coordinating women, men, minorities, union members and others in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan – all important swing states next November – to impress upon Democratic party leaders what they think has been outright discrimination – and not of the racial kind.

    “We have been vigilant against expressions of racism, and we are thrilled that the society has advanced that way” in accepting Obama as a serious candidate,” Ruccia said. “But it’s been open season on women, and we feel we need to stand up and make a statement about that, because it’s wrong.”

    With growing calls for Clinton to leave the race, she said, women feel like “we’re being told to sit down, shut up, and get with the program.”

    Hard to know what to make of any given group, but the sentiment is clealry out there, and putting the party back together will be Obama’s, and Clinton’s, challenge.

    Oh, and they’re doing O’Reilly tonight, of course.

    😀

    😀

    😀

  307. hallow,

    for environmental differences, try grist.com

    btw, when obama supporters ask you to name things, turn it around and ask them what they think. the trick to winning an arguement is to ask questions and put the other person on the spot. the questioner looks smarter because he/she’s asking the question, while the person answering has to scramble for the right answer. the best thing is, the questioner just have to approve or disapprove the person’s answer. it is an easy way to ride on someone and be superior and degrade the other.

    it is the oldest trick of bad bosses.

  308. Ben Smith: You’re wrong. It’s not half the party, it’s MORE than half the party. HRC leads among registered Dem voters, has for some time, and will when all is said and done.

    Yeesh. Get your facts straight kid.

    I think I’ll have to go let Ben know that on his blog.

  309. A new loser has chimed in on Bush’s BaBambi broadside: Biden.

    It’s the outrage of the also-rans!

    Ba ha ha ha!

    Paul F. Villarreal 🙂

  310. An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.

    IT’S ABOUT TIME!!!!

    but……this really needs to be nation wide not just these few swing states….. how could we organize such an effort?
    it needs to be broad casted loud and clear that its in every state not just swing states.

  311. What is funny is that I think the DNC has presumed that women and gay men will follow blindly because we are older and fear a reversal of roe v wade or the texas case. wake up morons we worked damned hard for many years so that those that followed us had a chance. But we are and never have been victims and if you slap us in the face we are collectively gonna hit ya right back.

  312. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
    are there any more endorsements? We need them so to distract the EDwards matter

    THERE WILL BE NO BIG ENDORSEMENTS. Hillary will have to win with her voters. The establishment is busy crowning Obama.

  313. Universal Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    A new loser has chimed in on Bush’s BaBambi broadside: Biden.

    It’s the outrage of the also-rans!

    Ba ha ha ha!

    Paul F. Villarreal

    What did he say?

    Thank you for everything, that you do for Hillary.

  314. here are our clues as to how to contact 😀

    Ben Smith wrote: reported My colleague Beth Frerking, Organizers Cynthia Ruccia, 55, and Jamie Dixey, 57, both from the Columbus area,

  315. If she had anyone really big, they would have endorsed by now…what about Richard Rubin who helped make the 90’s economy great..that would be a nice one as the economy is always a big issue.

  316. What will happen if he gets half of the delegates from florida and michigan will that make him the nominee?

  317. I remember last week that her campaign said she’s start a GE campaign as soon as the primaries are over. She would be taking her case to the remaining superdelegates based on the popular votes and her coalition. I hope this is still the plan. Axelrod wants to try to redraw the electoral map, this being part of the reform, the fact remains though many of those states are firmly Republican states and it won’t change in November.

  318. Djia said:

    An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.

    ———————–

    Yes.

    There is going to be a lot more of this type of thing emerging soon. The Elitist Triad of BHO/MSM/Effete Dem Leadership has no idea the Pandora’s Box its opening here.

    You do not try to force out the leader among the popular vote of your registered members for some sweetie-calling, spouse-hates-America-having, Afghanis-speak-Arab chump like Obama and not suffer for it.

    There are millions of Dems who will never vote for OBambi. These are the people whom the Elitist Triad has smeared the entire contest and whom that Triad is about to be brought to its knees by.

    The pipe dreams about opening up states like Kansas and Georgia are so laughable as to bring up discussions of acid flashbacks. These embarrassing assertions are being made because it is the latest attempt by the Elitist Triad to escape the reality which West Virginia just reinforced:

    Obama is going to get obliterated by white working class voters.

    Everybody knows it, and this missive from the Ohio group only reinforces it. The “Georgia”, etc talk is merely a pitiful attempt to make SD’s not see what is right before their eyes.

    OBabmi is going to be electorally drawn and quartered, and there isn’t a damn thing that the Elite Triad can do about it. And they know it, which is why when, I think it was TMac, said to Tweety that pretty soon HRC will be embarking on an “I told you so” tour Tweety lost his sh*t. He knows its coming. They all do. All the huffing and puffing and Edwards endorsing isn’t going to blow the working class white voters’ house down. Or the Latino house. Or the Jewish house. Or the Asian house. Or the white women house.

    Since the February Black Belt states primaries, BHO’s trajectory has been steadily downward. Outspending HRC didn’t change that, neither did the MSM calling voters racist (not the 92% of the AA’s backing BHO, mind you; they are exempt from such charges). Bambi knows, which is why he quit on WV.

    Nothing can stop what’s coming. They all know it, which is why you are seeing the wild over-reactions to what Bush said today. These people trying to shield Teleprompter Man are all on their last nerves and they are all on about their 3rd political mortgages.

    The Bambi Housing Bubble is going ‘boom,’ and they’re going to be taking the same bath in it’s wake that Mish and ‘Bams are.

    Can’t wait.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  319. Birdgal – Thank you for your kind words, and thank you for all you do for Hillary. 🙂

    Not sure what Biden said, just saw the headline on Politico.

    Does anyone really care what Biden says?

    Ha ha ha.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    🙂

  320. If they recognize Fl and Mi it changes the delegate math .. even one half would change it, unless they override that at the DNC as well. The hill is steep but if she keeps racking up the popular vote her case is easier. Its obvious that the party thinks edwards will just majically bring in the blue collar, lunch bucket voters .. when in reality, he couldn’t do it in his own primary or in the 2004 election ..

    I think a reminder of who pays $400 for a haircut it due to the people of Ky and beyond.

  321. Dot —

    I’m sure Axelrod would love to redraw the EV map.

    Too bad he can’t.

    Again, there are only so many latte libs and AA’s in the country. It’s pretty simple.

    David Don Quixote Axelrod can tilt at as many EV windmills as he wants, but the charade he and his race-baiting Chicago Posse has been perpetrating is coming to an inevitable end. Someone grab the long cane for Axe because it’s about time to yank him off the stage. I think Deval “Bambi I, 41% approval” Patrick could use him some Axe right now.

    He he he.

    Karma’s a bitch, eh?

    Paul F. Villarreal

  322. ewwwwww somebody is Sh*tting in there pants after WV….somebody better send the obama camp some pampers…..they are getting kinda stinky and need a “change”

    😀 LOL!!!!!!

  323. after WV….. things are very transparent…..not just to us hillary supporters but to the DNC “big boys” club
    especially the BO camp ……they are flapping in the wind behind hillary’s big win in WV!!
    and to think it was a woman that made them flag in the wind even after all the media BS and the $$ that outspent her!

    It’s still time to celebrate!!! 😀

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

  324. maybe we should send some pampers over to CNN and MSNBC too while we’re at it 😀 LOL!!

    I am pretty sure that cafferty,tweety & KO need some changes as well 😀

  325. I think she should tell the bastards at DNC that she would walk out with her 17 million troupes.

  326. Nice of Jon Stewart to group T-Mac & Matthews in a bit on their argument the night of the WV primary, calling the skit a
    “West Virginia Douche Off”.

    Stewart’s been a little b*tch at crunch time, always played nice w/the Clintons but clearly cast his lot with BO, though he tries to hide it.

    So, it remains us against the world….

    and I’m still betting on us.

  327. winhill

    I am not sure, but i thought about emailing her and asking what we can do, see if she has any suggestions for us

    maybe even also ask that she include in her conference that it’s much larger than just swing states that will work
    against BO in the GE

    and more than just women!

  328. djia,

    Please do! We are running out of time, and we need to find out more on what to do! I will get that site back up for us with the supers in every state that has not declared yet. Ok please dija email them and lets get support from the ones that know the dnc very well!

  329. shenanigans Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 11:59 am
    Below is some information and the superdelegates in Ohio that are uncommitted. Please post any other information or superdelegates from your states that need to be contacted, thank you.

    Dear Hillary Clinton Supporter,

    Hillary needs your help now as much as ever to win the nomination. As our campaign moves into the final states of this primary season, we need you to write, email or call the delegates in your state who are neutral and urge them to support Hillary. In addition, we want to contact the delegates who are supporting Hillary and thank them for their support.

    In this packet you will find contact information for all of the delegates who support Hillary or are undecided. You will also find sample letters, but we encourage you to make your letter as unique and personal as possible, adding your own reasons for supporting Hillary.

    The best letters are personal, polite and positive! Content can include any of the following:
    Thank them for their role in the Democratic Party and for taking their position as a delegate to our national convention seriously.
    Why you personally support Hillary. Why you voted for her in your state’s primary.
    Why you think she will make the best president.
    Thank them for taking the time to read your letter.

    Copied below you will find two sample letters: one for super delegates who support Hillary and one for undecided super delegates. Please feel free to use these as a guide, but we encourage you to use your own words to make your letter personal and original.

    Thank you for your continued support of Hillary Clinton.

    Sample Letters:

    For Delegates from YOUR state who are supporting Senator Clinton

    Dear ______________

    Thank you for supporting Senator Hillary Clinton. I truly believe that Senator Clinton is the best candidate to unite our state and our nation and move American forward beginning on day one.

    Now, more than ever, we need a leader of strength and substance who will win the White House and is prepared to end the war in Iraq, pass universal health care and re-establish America’s reputation in the world.

    Thank you again for your continued support of Hillary Clinton,
    Sincerely,

    Name
    Town, State

    ——————

    For Delegates from YOUR state who are neutral

    Dear ______________

    Thank you for your support of the Democratic Party and for all of your hard work on behalf of the ___ [State] democrats. In the ___ [state Primary or caucus], I supported Hillary Clinton because I believe that she is a leader of strength and substance who will be able to regain the White House for our Party and move America forward beginning on Day One.

    I urge you to consider supporting Senator Clinton in your role as a Delegate to the National Convention. Now more than ever, we need her to be our next President.

    Thank you for your time and consideration,

    Name
    Town, State
    ***************************************************8

    LETS DO IT GUYS!

  330. Does Edwards help him close gap in Kentucky? Also, any chance we can do better in Oregon?

  331. jbstonesfan Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
    Does Edwards help him close gap in Kentucky? Also, any chance we can do better in Oregon?

    I doubt Edwards wll move one vote. Yes, there is always a chance we can do better in Oregon by calling canvassing, etc..

  332. Hey, Universal, Mom is hanging in. She’s at the Senior Cener now driving everyone who wants buy tgheir lunch stark rving mad as she cannot count change anymoe 🙂

    But what the hey. As long as she can go and fake it, I am not saying no.

  333. Thanks Confloyd. She is the Hero who cannot be erased no matter how hard the boys try to lock her out.

  334. Insanity Plea???

    The Obama Campaign Goes Completely Insane
    John Podhoretz – 05.15.2008 – 11:12 AM
    If you look a few posts below, you will find the text of President Bush’s powerful and moving speech to the Knesset today. In the course of it, he says something very general:

    Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: “Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.” We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.

    Bush here is arguing in very broad brush against a generally meliorist view of foreign policy — one, moreover, that is held by many people who work inside his own government. For some reason, people who work for the almost-certain nominee of the Democratic party have decided that Bush was attacking him. As Kate Phillips writes on the New York Times website:

    In a telephone interview on CNN just a few minutes ago, Robert Gibbs, the communications director for Senator Barack Obama, called Mr. Bush’s remarks “astonishing” and an “unprecendented political attack on foreign soil.”

    An “unprecedented attack on foreign soil”? That is completely deranged. Not only did Bush not mention Obama by name, it is doubtful he or his people were thinking about Obama. The argument that negotiating with terrorists is appeasement akin to Europe’s appeasement of Hitler is a standard view among hawks on the Right — decades old, dating back even before Barry Obama found the audacity to hope in the pews of Jeremiah Wright’s church. It is exactly the sort of thing a man with Bush’s politics would say in a speech before the Knesset, whether Obama had run for president or not.

    The Obama campaign has even issued a statement on the matter in Obama’s name:

    It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel’s independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power – including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy – to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President’s extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel.

    I’m not sure what this all says about Obama. Is this smart politics, getting his base riled up on his behalf? Is he trying to use Bush as a wedge to make the case to the Jewish community in the United States that the bad man in the White House is mischaracterizing him and therefore Jews should like him more? Is he trying, for the millionth time, to rule any criticism of himself out of reasonable bounds by complaining about something that isn’t even criticism of him?

    Or is this just another example of Obama’s thin-skinned-ness?

  335. So how many times does a Presidential Candidate have to demean women, before his loyal subject realize what he is doing. Many have college degrees. Of course he apologized, so his followers think it is OK. Isn’t that what a wife beater does, so the women stay with him?

    I just had to bring that up.

  336. Bush actually helped us as Obama knows he is treading on thin ice with the Jewish vote..his overreaction shows just how concerned he is over the Jewish vote. Most of my Jewish friends here in Boca are telling me they are going with McCain….

  337. jbstonesfan,

    Would your friends go with Hillary if she were the nominee or have they always gone Republican?

  338. Basil,

    Pt III is up. Tell me what you make of it.

    Also, there was this;
    Curtain Time For Barack Obama – Part IV will be published on May 16, 2008).

  339. I just phoned a tate NARAL to express anger at the national NARAL endorsing Obama, and told the girl that if Obama gets the nomination, I’m voting for McCain and she said “You’re not alone.”

  340. new mex
    again my problem is with the women on the plane. the behaivor was beyond reprehensible. lets find out who they are.

  341. JanH, you have been missed 🙂 Nice to see you back

    ClintonDem,

    Obaama campaign not deranged at all. This is what they did to Hillary. It is their campaign tactic. Obama is the centere of the universe and if they can make it appear Bush has attacked Him specifically, and not a policy, they garner publicity and votes from those who hate Bush. it is very clever strategy. And it has been working. McCain might be able to stand up it, not sure.

  342. ok……win hill ……..et all

    this is what i just emailed that lady having the press conference

    Hello

    After reading Ben Smith from politico’s article on you and your press conference
    Today I set out to locate you, I hope you do not mind.
    My name is ____________, I am a 45 year old “typical white” democrat woman
    I am also a Hillary Clinton supporter from Iowa.
    And it is of interest to me and many many other Hillary supporters
    From around the nation to not see Barack Obama as our party’s nominee
    We don’t feel he is what this country needs in the White house.

    We are very angry with our party and feel like it has abandoned us
    “middle class middle of the road democrats” you know, the bread
    And butter of the democrat party.

    As women, as democrats, as Americans we feel the Democrat “boys club”
    have allowed and found it acceptable to use sexism to take over our party in
    some sort of a coup. We are mad as hell! And we will not take it!!
    There are so many of us “voiceless” that will also work as hard as we have worked
    To get Hillary elected to see Obama lose in the GE.

    Much as your selves, we would like our voices heard all over this country
    Not just with in the swing states. We would appreciate it very much
    If you could find a way to include all of us in your press conference
    Statement later today.

    If I am reaching you too late for that I would like to impress upon you
    To include us in the future.

    I would also like to ask you for your advice on how we can organize
    Across the country to help let it be known what we stand for and what
    We will not stand for. Perhaps there is already an organization in place
    That we can join? Thank you

    Sincerely,

  343. BACKGROUND: This is my little sister. She supported Hillary Clinton and went a rally of hers in February, but now she supports waffles. Grrrr.

    Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:01:09 -0500
    From: “SARAH _____”
    Subject: Re: Fwd: What Hillary Clinton will do for this country
    To: “Jen _______”

    Dear Jen,

    I’m sorry that we fought a couple nights ago, but I stand by what I said.

    Tell me in one sentence why Hillary Clinton would make a better president than Barack Obama? One sentence.

    I doubt you could do it. Prove me wrong, if you wish.

    Love,
    Sarah

    GAH!! I want to write the best one sentence ever. Some help would be appreciated.

    Although “Because Barack Hussein Obama is a GODDAMN LIAR,” is good enough for me, I’m not sure it will win any points with my sister. Plus, I don’t like to use cuss words to my sister.

    I really want her to turn back from the dark side. If she waffled over there, perhaps she could waffle back. I hope I hope.

    Thanks in advance.

  344. # linfar Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    What woman, what press conference?

    it’s posted up thread, about a article of ben smith at politico today
    about a group in Ohio that is having a press conference today
    to let it be known that they will work against obama if hillary is not
    the nominee.

  345. I think Hill will announce some sd’s before tommorrow evening. Friday is the best cycle .. today is taking care of itself. Bill is in Ky and Hill is on the trail. Chelsea is working. They cannot do anything else.

    Do whatever you can to help her

  346. God, I’d love to be a card carrying member of “Clinton Supporters Count Too”.

    It’d also be neat to be on TV. 🙂

  347. Hopefully no one takes offense to what I am about to say, but I feel to need to say it:
    A lot of people want Hillary to run as an independent because of the way she has been treated by the DNC. I realize that time is too short to be able to get certified in all 50 states(although the democrats are only counting 48 and she still doing well), some say she would not do it because she is too loyal to the party.
    This loyalty is what I have a problem with especially if she is not considering running in 2012. How can a person be loyal to a party when they have repeatedly stabbed her in the back. I don’t understand this aspect of Hillary. I wished I could, but sometimes I think a person needs to stand up and say I will not take this anymore.
    Hillary I am sure knows what she is doing, and probably by running as a independent would be doing just what the jackels want her to do and it would save them of the black mark that will stain the Dean/Pelosi team for ever in History. I guess we should push how this apparent mutiny by the left wing will and is a stain that will not soon be forgotten and will prove to be a huge setback for the party for a long, long time. They is essence have maligned one of the most loved and prominent U.S. Presidents in my lifetime. As they say here in Texas, “you can’t stir S&^t, without getting some on you”, take heed Mr. Dean!

  348. My sister tells me that Waffles crew was really, really, really rude in WVA on phonebanking and ground. I cannot believe that she did not get a call from any LIVE phonebankers .. she said she got a call from Hillary but that is it.

  349. Got ahold of Manchins office and the woman said that he would endorse the winner of WV but only at the convention and if the person has the popular vote! WELL THAT IS IT! HE SAID HE WOULD ENDORSE BUT KNOW IF IT IS THE POPULAR VOTE INCLUDED!

    Manchin in WV promised to endorse the winner in WV .

    Get on the phone with his office .. I posted his number on last thread.

    Call Senator Byrd and tell him the people of WVA spoke and he loves his people .. ask him to follow their lead.

    Senator Robert C. Byrd
    300 Virginia Street East
    Suite 2630
    Charleston, WV 25301
    304-342-5855

    202-224-3954

  350. Got ahold of Manchins office and the woman said that he would endorse the winner of WV but only at the convention and if the person has the popular vote! WELL THAT IS IT! HE SAID HE WOULD ENDORSE BUT KNOW IF IT IS THE POPULAR VOTE INCLUDED!

    Manchin in WV promised to endorse the winner in WV .

    Get on the phone with his office .. I posted his number on last thread.

    Call Senator Byrd and tell him the people of WVA spoke and he loves his people .. ask him to follow their lead.

    Senator Robert C. Byrd
    300 Virginia Street East
    Suite 2630
    Charleston, WV 25301
    304-342-5855

    202-224-3954

  351. confloyd, it looks like the DNC want to get rid of Clintons more than they want to win in November.

  352. Most are dems with he exception of my doctor friends…there is a large contingent of Jewish republicans in S. Florida that will not support Obama…the Clintons are royalty here….when we met Bill in Boca, middle aged woman and men were as excited as I was when I met Mick Jagger!!!!lol!!!

  353. “confloyd, it looks like the DNC want to get rid of Clintons more than they want to win in November.”

    If that is the case, then let us make this as painful for them as possible. Not only should we work our asses off to make sure that Obama does not get elected President, we should also work our asses off to make sure that the Democratic Party loses control of both Congresses. This is the only way that they will regret their decision. I don’t care about the Democratic Party anymore!!!

  354. “Could she still get the popular vote without michigan and florida?”

    Nothing is impossible but this would be hard. A huge turnout in Puerto Rico coupled with a 30% win will put her over the top.

  355. Hi Hillfans, if Hillary can win OR it will definitly hold the flock of SDs to BHO. Does anybody know if she has a chance?

  356. ConFloyd,
    You know we’re in total agreement on the Indy aspect & loyalty, etc.

    Does it make sense if that’s a backup plan to take it to Denver, fight till the last breath, let the American people decide after an airing of all the facts at the convention, and then if it doesn’t happen, announce the run at the height of convention fever?
    That’d take having an arrangement with someone on the ballot already like a Nadar perhaps, but the most important thing I’d think would be using that August platform and media saturation to make the break.

    Probably sounds crazy, bit I could NEVER understand them taking this lying down. NEVER. Won’t believe it till I see it.

  357. Cokie and Steve Roberts get it. jewishworldreview.com/0508/croberts.php3

    Why the Dems could lose

    By Cokie and Steve Roberts

    JewishWorldReview.com | Democrats seem intent on nominating Barack Obama, in the face of mounting evidence that Hillary Clinton would be the stronger candidate against John McCain in November. And they only have themselves to blame.

    Yes, the Clinton camp made strategic blunders that allowed Obama to score heavily in Republican states where few Democrats vote. But the real culprit is the party’s stupid, self-destructive nominating system, which has two major flaws.

    First, it was designed to anoint a nominee by early February, far too early in the process. The result: Obama built up an insurmountable lead at a time when he was still largely unblemished, untested and unscrutinized. The past six weeks have brought tougher media coverage, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s tapes, the candidate’s ill-considered comments about “bitter” voters and a wave of second thoughts among key groups like union members and white Catholics.

    Second, the nominating system was completely incapable of reflecting these shifts. Not only were few states remaining on the calendar, the rules of proportional representation made it almost impossible for Clinton to catch up.

    Since Feb. 19, seven states have voted. Clinton has won four — Pennsylvania, Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island —building up a popular-vote margin of 483,000. Yet her total gain in delegates was exactly five. In Texas, she won by more than 100,000 votes, but because of that state’s ridiculous rules, she actually came out five delegates behind.

    How can that outcome possibly be fair? How can it possibly benefit the party?

    Wait, it gets worse. Obama built up sizable margins in small states that Clinton was foolish enough to concede. His delegate advantage in Idaho, Kansas and Louisiana — three states that will never vote Democratic — was a total of 38. By contrast, Clinton handily won three large swing states — Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Ohio. And yet, because of party rules, her combined marginal gain amounted to 28 delegates.

    How can it make sense for Idaho, Kansas and Louisiana to have a bigger impact on choosing the Democratic nominee than Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Ohio? Add in the exclusion of Florida and Michigan, two crucial states that favor Clinton, and there’s only one word for the Democrats’ system: crazy. And Republicans are gleeful.

    Three months ago, they were convinced that Clinton was the easier candidate to beat, and she’s hardly an ideal choice, not when more than half of all voters tell ABC pollsters they don’t like or trust her. But many GOP insiders now see her as a tougher, more tenacious rival, and the latest polls support that judgment.

    The Associated Press-Ipsos survey gives Clinton a 50 percent to 41 percent edge over McCain, while Obama ties his Republican rival. As GOP pollster Steve Lombardo told the AP: “This just reinforces the sentiment that a lot of Republican strategists are having right now — that Clinton might actually be the more formidable fall candidate for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that Obama can’t seem to get his footing back.”

    One of those strategists, Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, added that Obama “is by any definition very liberal, to the left of Hillary Clinton, in a center-right country. That is very, very helpful to us.” Already Republican candidates in North Carolina and Louisiana are running ads linking Democrats to Obama and his “very liberal” policies. And that’s only the first trickle in a tidal wave to come.

    Obama can make some strong counterarguments. While Clinton might be the better candidate in traditional swing battlegrounds, he can “expand the map” by bringing in new voters, mainly young people and blacks, and making the Democrats competitive in red states like Colorado and Virginia.

    The election map, however, has been starkly static during the Bush years, with only three small states switching sides between 2000 and 2004. Winning Ohio with Clinton is a safer bet for Democrats than capturing Colorado and Virginia with Obama.

    So why don’t Democratic leaders and superdelegates face these facts and shift to Clinton? One reason is race. It’s true, as Obama says, that being black in America has hardly been a political asset, given the fact that he’s the only African-American in the U.S. Senate.

    But at this time, in this party, being black is an enormous asset. Given America’s long, torturous path toward racial justice, many Democrats simply cannot imagine denying the nomination to the first serious African-American candidate for president.

    From a moral perspective, that’s a noble judgment. From a political perspective, it could cost Democrats the White House.

  358. meiyingsu,
    Oregon looks rough cause of the demographics, which has proven true in nearly every race.

    I’m hoping for Montana or SD. An upset anywhere would be awesome.

  359. confloyd,

    I don’t know that HRC has ever said she was loyal to the democratic party. I’ve heard her say she went from being a Goldwater Girl to the democrats because she felt the party fit her ideology and values. There is no loyalty in politics these days and I don’t know if there ever was. As Harry Truman said “If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.” Hill would probably never run independent because we have a 2 party system in this country & it’s unlikely she would win. Even Bloomberg with his billions wouldn’t win. Third party candidates usually play the role of spoiler. I don’t think Hill is interested in that. She’s got a lot of options should she not succeed in getting the nomination.

  360. Blue Dem and Basil – do you have that link to Part 3? i went to opednews but could not find the latest?

  361. Blue Democrat, I am afraid that DNC will declare BHO as nominee the moment he wins OR unless Hillary wins KY 40%+.

  362. Daschle is another jackel…part of Obama team from early on. To the more politically sophisticated here, why has Hillary done so poorly in the caucus states as well as states like Virginai, Maryland, and possibly oregon???

  363. According to Obama, Hillary is Winning:

    Go to this link for the chart:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/14/according-to-obama-hillary-is-winning/#comment-247849

    Here is the text:

    The Obama campaign has argued that Super Delegates ought to vote in accordance with the “will” of the people. Really? Then let’s run the numbers. Under that metric, who would have a lead in Super Delegates? The Super Delegate total from the states that Hillary has won thus far (including FL and MI) is 418, to Obama’s 372. If the MI delegates are split 50/50, Clinton still wins 403.5 to Obama’s 386.5. If Super Delegates are counted according to Barack’s formula, Hillary wins the nomination. Period.

    The numbers are even more impressive after Hillary crushed Obama in West Virginia. WV has 11 Superdelegates. Hillary is now ahead, even if you exclude FL and MI: she leads 374 to Obama’s 372.

  364. Jan……I have hannity on, but the H20 guy came by and so i was distracted

    can you give us some juicy details? 😀

  365. Is anybody else today taping Bill O’Reilly just in case he is going to have the “Hillary Supporters Count Too” group on (Politico.com said they would?)? I hope that if they do go on, they give more information about how we can get involved. It would be great if they had a website. I’d be one of the first people to get on their mailing list. 🙂

  366. I have a DVD recorder. If the Hillary supporter group is on TV today, I will try to upload the clip on YouTube for you guys.

  367. Could she still get the popular vote without michigan and florida?”

    Nothing is impossible but this would be hard. A huge turnout in Puerto Rico coupled with a 30% win will put her over the top.

    Hillary is not winning Puerto Rico by 30% so lets stop with that kind of expectation. Look at what happened in NC and Indiana.

  368. Unrelated:

    OH YAY OH YAY!

    They just ruled that gays can now get married in California!

    I know lninla was working really hard for this!

    This is great! I’m calling all my gay friends right now!

  369. # meiyingsu Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    Blue Democrat, I am afraid that DNC will declare BHO as nominee the moment he wins OR unless Hillary wins KY 40%+.
    &&&&&&&

    If the DNC is baseless in its determination, Team Clinton (the campaign, the candidate, and us supporters) will refer to DNC rules that they would have made a premature judgment. The DNC has repeatedly ignored or selectively enforced their own rules.

  370. djia,

    It’s to do with Bush’s speech in Israel. Hannity is coming down on Obama, Pelosi, et al for going on the attack about it. He’s talking about Obama’s policy to talk to enemies without preconditions…even Holocaust deniers.

  371. Caroline, if Hillary don’t win popular votes the it will be very hard for her to make case to SDs.

  372. A REAL EYE-OPENER:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/the-obama-bolshevik-mentality-coup-purge-purify-obama-not-democratic-party/

    The Obama Bolshevik Mentality: Coup, Purge, Purify. Obama, not Democratic, Party

    By Bud WhitecloseAuthor: Bud White Name: Joyan and Bud White White

    Obama is attempting to take control of the progressive infrastructure built over the last 15 years. Ben Smith reports that Obama is seeking to essentially shutdown outside progressive groups and funnel their funding to his campaign:

    Senator Barack Obama’s campaign is steering the candidate’s wealthy supporters away from independent Democratic groups, calling into question what had been expected to be the groups’ central role in this year’s Democratic offensive against Senator John McCain.

    Obama’s national finance chairwoman, Chicago hotel mogul Penny Pritzker, told supporters at a national finance committee meeting in Indianapolis May 2, and in other conversations, not to give money to the groups, people familiar with her comments said.
    “From the beginning of this race Obama has told supporters that if they want to help his effort, they should do so through his campaign,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton, who confirmed that Pritzker has told donors not to give to the groups. “And he means exactly what he says.”

    Many of these progressive groups were established to counter movement conservatives’ dominate infrastructure. In 1971, in a reaction against the New Left, Lewis F. Powell drafted a memo for business groups and the Nixon administration on building a conservative infrastruture to counter what he saw as an anti-capitalist, anti-freedom movement of the New Left. This plan was followed and we have had a third of a century of conservative governance, interrupted by 4 years of Carter and 8 years of Clinton.

    Similarly, after what many progressives saw as an attempted coup d’état by movement conservatives against President Clinton, the left began building its own infrastructure to counter the Rush Limbaugh/American Spectator magazine/Newt Gingrich assault on our first progressive president in a generation. MoveOn.org was born as a muscular defensive of Clinton in a era where the left consisted of stale periodically like The Nation and Mother Jones.

    Now Obama is seeking to use the fragile progressive infrastructure for his own electoral gain:

    But in recent days, major donors have begun to conclude that Obama is serious in trying to cut off funds to the outside groups.

    “It’s given donors pause,” said one prominent Democratic donor of Pritzker’s words.

    Obama’s remarkably swift and complete consolidation of Democratic Party power. It’s an unprecedented seizure of control that has built him, over the course of a year, the most powerful field organization and the largest financial network in American politics, leaving many existing structures – traditional party organizations in many states, the Clintons’ long-nurtured national network – in the dust.

    Outside groups, of course, can alter the electoral landscape. Just ask Michael Dukakis and John Kerry, both victims of brutal attack ads run by groups more affiliated with movement conservatives than with the campaigns themselves.

    But some liberal activists argue that Obama is making a big mistake by consolidating all the power and money into his campaign:

    But Democrats who support the work of the media 527s say Obama’s making a mistake. Progressive Media USA has aired anti-McCain television ads and developed a website intended to be a hub for negative information about McCain.

    As I wrote previously, the Republicans and their conservative shock troops have prepared their plan to dismantle Obama, assuming he becomes the nominee. Obama may be disarming himself in his attempt to deny Hillary the nomination, and consequently we can look forward to Obama joining the pantheon of defeated Democrats: McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore [updated], and Kerry.

  373. From Politico:

    Clinton backer backlash

    My colleague Beth Frerking reports on something we’re likely to hear a lot more about in coming days: Grumblings from the almost-half of the party, disproportionately women, whose candidate is losing.

    An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.

    Led by Boomer-aged women, the group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, is holding a press conference in Columbus at noon to release this statement.

    Organizers Cynthia Ruccia, 55, and Jamie Dixey, 57, both from the Columbus area, say they’re coordinating women, men, minorities, union members and others in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan – all important swing states next November – to impress upon Democratic party leaders what they think has been outright discrimination – and not of the racial kind.

    “We have been vigilant against expressions of racism, and we are thrilled that the society has advanced that way” in accepting Obama as a serious candidate,” Ruccia said. “But it’s been open season on women, and we feel we need to stand up and make a statement about that, because it’s wrong.”

    With growing calls for Clinton to leave the race, she said, women feel like “we’re being told to sit down, shut up, and get with the program.”

    Hard to know what to make of any given group, but the sentiment is clearly out there, and putting the party back together will be Obama’s, and Clinton’s, challenge.

    Oh, and they’re doing O’Reilly tonight, of course.

  374. Dem group to ‘work actively against Obama’ if nominated

    politico says the group will be on O’Reilly May 15

    So what is the group’s website? The most I’ve been able to find on this is from politico.com:

    An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.

    Led by Boomer-aged women, the group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, is holding a press conference in Columbus at noon to release this statement.

    Organizers Cynthia Ruccia, 55, and Jamie Dixey, 57, both from the Columbus area, say they’re coordinating women, men, minorities, union members and others in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan – all important swing states next November

  375. Puerto Rico for perhaps the one and only time will have a very good opportunity of deciding who the next President will be. With that fact in mind, it is conceivable that they have a turnout of of over 1.5 million. In PR, regular elections they routinely get an 80% turnout and with a little over 2 million registered anything is possible.

    The GOTV operation needs to strongly point this out and maybe we can get a record turnout approaching 100%

  376. clintondem99 – It’s okay. 🙂

    It’s a really neat story, and I hope it gets a lot of press.

    The more people see it, the better. I’m hoping we can help with their efforts.

  377. Here are some more “New Politics” for your reading pleasure:

    Obama Helped Supporters Get Millions in Illinois State Business

    John Rogers, Whose Business Obama Helped as a State Senator, Is Now One of Obama’s Chief Fundraisers

    By AVNI PATEL, JUSTIN ROOD and BRIAN ROSS
    May 15, 2008

    In a speech to the Urban League last July, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., boasted of his efforts in 2001 to help a handful of African American-owned investment firms in Chicago get a larger share of business with Illinois state pension funds. “And in six months, they got about a half-billion dollars’ worth of business simply on their excellence,” Obama said.

    What he did not say in his speech was that the owner of one of the investment firms, John Rogers of Ariel Capital, is a principal campaign fundraiser. Nor did he reveal that employees of the firms he helped have since contributed to or helped to raise more than $765,000 for his campaigns, according to campaign documents. Nor did he mention that two of the firms have allowed him to use their private jets. Nor did he mention that two of the firms have since been dismissed by the state pension fund for “underperformance.”

    Related
    Rev. Wright — Beyond the Sound BiteObama Memory Lapse?Tax Returns Offer a Glimpse at Obama’s Newfound WealthAn Obama spokesperson, Ben Labolt, said it was “preposterous” to suggest Obama’s efforts for the firms were linked to campaign donations. “It should come as no surprise that as a prominent Illinois state senator who had a history of civic activity in the city, Obama had long-standing relationships with a number of Chicago’s African American business leaders or that those business leaders would have found common cause to support his campaigns over the years,” said LaBolt.

    Following Obama’s efforts, the Illinois Teachers’ Retirement System gave Ariel Capital $112.5 million to manage, and added hundreds of millions more over the next few years.

    In 2006, the teachers’ fund took its money back out, citing Ariel’s “underperformance.” Ariel said the hot stock market of 2006 made its funds’ growth look modest, guided as it was by the firm’s conservative buy-and-hold philosophy. Ariel is positively rated by several investment experts.

    Now, Rogers is an Illinois finance co-chairman for Obama’s presidential campaign, having raised more than $200,000 for the campaign. Ariel employees have given nearly $70,000 to Obama’s White House effort — for a total of more than $130,000 to Obama’s political career since 2001, when the politician went to bat for the company. The total includes $8,100 donated by Ariel Capital president Mellody Hobson, an ABC News financial contributor. Hobson is listed by the Obama campaign as a “bundler” who has raised between $50,000 and $100,000 for Obama’s presidential campaign.

    In addition to fundraising, Rogers provided Obama with Ariel Capital’s private jet in 2005, following his election as a U.S. senator. At the time, Obama took advantage of a loophole in the law that allowed for politicians to reimburse corporate jet owners at first-class ticket rates. He later signed on as a co-sponsor of a Senate measure that would require campaigns to pay full charter cost, and said he would no longer take corporate jets.

    A spokesman for Ariel said the company’s support of Obama predated the politician’s efforts to win business for the firm. “John [Rogers] and all of us have known the senator from way before he was even a senator,” said Matthew Yale of Ariel. Asked if Obama could take credit for Ariel’s business with the state retirement fund, Yale said, “No, not at all.”

    Three other minority-run firms — Holland Capital, Loop Capital and Capri Capital Partners — also saw hundreds of millions of assets turned over to them to manage after meeting with Obama and the state pension boards.

    The state teachers’ fund also terminated Holland in 2006 for the poor performance of the assets it managed, according to the business publication Crain’s. Holland did not respond to a request for comment.

  378. President Clinton has been very quiet as of late….do you think he has any last minute strategy to help us win?

  379. just got back.

    Hannity is all OVER sweetie-gate. He’s even welcoming his female callers by saying “how ya doin’, sweetie?”

    He’s also doing the “Bush didn’t MENTION Waffles in his Israel speech so what the heck is up with that?

    He’s still talking about the stop Obama AND the stop-Hillary express but Rush didn’t mention HRC today. It was all about waffles.

  380. I posted this yesterday, jbstonesfan. He is sweetly skewering the DNC here:

    Bill Clinton has still got it:

    ABC News’ Sarah Amos Reports: Former President Bill Clinton continued to make a case for seating the delegates in Florida and Michigan Wednesday, saying that it’s “shocking and embarrassing” to see the Republican party dealing with this situation in a better manner than the Democrats.
    President Clinton chose to begin his speech to a crowd in Missoula, Mont. with what turned into a six-minute discussion of the status of Michigan and Florida.

    “All [Hillary] has ever asked for is that everybody vote, that we count the voters that show up, this is about the people not the mechanism. If you wanna punish them fine, but don’t pretend they don’t exist. And don’t pretend it didn’t happen. And don’t pretend that she wasn’t willing to let them vote again and help them raise the money to let them vote again,” Clinton said.

    President Clinton also hinted that if the races in Michigan and Florida had turned out differently, than perhaps the Democratic party would be quicker to come to a resolution.

    “We are Democrats. We are supposed to be about the business of empowering,” he said. “This should be a great empowerment election, and how ironic it would be … if the thing would be decided by the most disempowering top-down, and I think mindless decision, I can recall in a month of Sundays.”

    The former president was adamant in his speech, asserting that both states needed to be counted now in order for a Democrat to win them in the general election.

    “I never thought it would be the Democratic party that didn’t want to count votes in Florida. I thought that was a Republican strategy,” Clinton said. “It is hard to see how we win Florida if our best argument is we’ve already ignored you once, now get in line.”

  381. Obama is over reacting a bit to Bush’s comments. hahaha This dude and his camp are flipping out. Next he will be calling ole George a racist. I saw Bush’s comments and no where did he mention Obama, talk about thin skin and he is ready to be commander in chief?? I think not…

  382. coming home this evening my husband said this “If this doesn’t work for Hillary at least she is giving everyone in the country a unique opportunity .. a chance to vote for a woman as President. He thinks she should entertain a veep position just in order to keep the backstabbers out and especially that MCCaskill … don’t know how that computes just now for me.

  383. SOmething I often point out to Obamabots when they go Obamarama on me:

    George W Bush is good at one thing: campaigning. And, he hasn’t even started yet.

    BO will be eaten alive and Bush is just starting to poke him with his fork.

  384. clintondem,
    “Insanity plea?”‘
    That’s basically what Rush and Hannity are saying.

    Those people are on paranoia-inducing drugs.

    Hannity calls it the Obama Doctrine. He says, “Any minute we’re going to be called out by Howard Dean for being racist for saying what’s on Waffles website.” (the points about sitting down with ALL world leaders whoever they may be).

  385. Thanks Hillbilllover-that was great. When Bill and Hillary stop raising millions for the party, they (DNC) will rue the day they back stabbed twoof the greatest democrats of all time.

    lastly, the “sweetie” comment being ignored or down played as usual..if Hillary made a similar comment it would be allover MSM…truly disgusting.
    I have stopped watching all MSM and find nyself watching this show on A7E about Alaska crab fishing…

  386. Hillary is doing more than give us an opportunity to vote for a woman for President. Her candidacy is a gift. She is giving us the opportunity to elect someone who actually knows what they are doing as president and how to get things done. The last time we had an opportunity like this was with Al Gore. Opportunity squandered.

  387. Would Obama blame all his future mistakes on Hillary if she were V.P.? Would he make her his scapegoat? Would he plagiarize her work as his own? Would Michelle ever respect Hillary?

    The only way this election makes sense to me is if Hillary is President.

  388. basil9, I have just been called a bigot for the first time in my life on one of the blogs. Supposedly my crime was ponting out that the messiah had the same percentage white vote in MS and WV. If BO’s campaign thinks this is a winnig strategy they are really in trouble.

  389. dot48

    I sort of agree with your husband. For the longest time I said Hillary should never take the VP spot if offered. Now that it is apparent that it will not be offered and if we can not get FL and MI seated there is one sure fire way to piss on the DNC and Obama’s parade have Hillary place her name in nomination for VP and she will win.

    Reasons to do it:

    Just to see Dean and Brazille choke to death having to praise Hillary.
    It would tick Pelosi off becuase she would no longer be the highest elected female
    It would really tick Judas Richardson off because he thinks VP is his next job.
    It would piss Obama off because he would not be able to select his own VP and he would be stuck with a VP who everyone knows is smarter than he is.
    It would really piss Michelle off because not only does she hate Hillary, she would always be over shadowed by anything that Bill does or says (my favorite)

  390. Blue dem,
    Will do as soon as i read it.

    s,

    here’s part 3.

    /www.opednews.com/articles/genera_evelyn_p_080515_curtain_time_for_bar.htm

  391. I just read partlll, it was a very interesting piece. I understand that 2 billion is missing, wonder if they found any of it in Bambi’s campaign purse? This man is a dirty chicago politician, the only people he is interested in helping is himself and his associates. They are using us gun toting, church going, blue collar workers (and other’s) out of our tax dollars and giving us ghetto’s without heat and running water. Good going Bawaak, you are certainly a man trying to help us. LOL!
    I can’t wait until tomorrow, it was probably Bawaak that contacted Dynacorp to get Auchi out of that Iraqi jail! I am hoping to see this man cuffed and put in a squad car just like his cohert,Al Sharpton!

  392. Pelosi and Kennedy have made it clear she will not be offered VP…so has MOL who despises the Clintons. She already was more or less “vice Pres” so why take a lesser position. I would negotiate to be leader of house or supreme court nominee with gurantee that pricks Leahy and Kennedy vote for her…

  393. someone wrote: and if they can make it appear Bush has attacked Him specifically, and not a policy, they garner publicity and votes from those who hate Bush. it is very clever strategy. And it has been working. McCain might be able to stand up it, not sure.

    It has been working on Democrats specifically on the topic of racism. Attempting this strategy on Republicans and the more hawkish supporters of Israel, I think will prove to be a miscalculation. It kind of worked on Taylor Marsh who saw Bush’s remarks to be targetted on Dems not only Bambi, but she’s stated that she more anti-McCain than she is pro-Hillary(very) or pro-Obama(not at all)–at least that’s how I’ve interpretted her musings on the subject. Still, even with that megaphone, I don’t see this tactic helping in the upcoming primaries. I really don’t see how it will help him against McCain in the GE even with Republicans who hate Bush. These people either support McCain and have made their peace with his candidacy or they were in Bambi’s column already. The ones on the fence will probably just tune out the whining and hold their nose when voting for the straight talking war hero.

    The situation is complicated because Hillary is still in the race so the Bambi networks can’t smack him down for whining in the way we can expect them to do once he’s the presumptive nominee rather than the just presumtuous nominee he is today.

  394. Supreme Court nominee? No she’s not a judge..but the Leader of the House would be good. Frankly, i am getting sick of Hillary supporters like on Hillarybloggers telling me to support BO if he’s the nominee. Mostly because of the judge pick. BS on that. I will not vote BO. If Hillary is on the ticket I would be forced to – and I know she should not be second place to BOZO. It’s the typical affirmative action guy having the job done by the capable female. I have personally been in that position, I worked for state government, and it’s rampant there.

  395. jbstonesfan, She should never trust any promises they make. They are bunch of back stabbers. She should threaten the bastards that she would walkout of the party with her 17 million supporters!

  396. jbstonesfan
    Hillary does not need anyone’s permission to put her name in nomination and there is not a thing Pelosi or Kennedy can do about it. Hell in 1972 around 80 people had their names put into nomination for VP at the convention. SD’s will not risk losing all of Hillary’s supporters in November.

  397. clintondem,

    It is outrageous. The media reported ad nauseum about Waffles getting 92% AA support and no one said a thing about that being racist and yet HRC paraphrases an AP article citing demographics and voting patterns the dumbditas are constantly poring over and she’s called racist.

    DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!
    the same kind of DOUBLE STABDARD that is often applied to women.
    Why don’t you point that out on your blog?

  398. Then to the convention we go!!!! I just hope and pray she does not “suspend” her campaign after June 3rd….

  399. While Obama drowns in minefield after minefield, Hillary and Bill continue to get the job done.

  400. rjk,

    👿

    BTW, didn’t mean to imply in the previous post that HRC WON’T get the nomination!!!!!

  401. basil,

    No offence, but I hated that article. It was so backhanded. I’m tired of the media deciding this race is over/picking the nominee.

  402. Where did Kennedy and Pelosi say there would not be an offer for VP? It maybe cause she the Presidential nominee! 🙂

  403. TROLL ALERT:

    Apparently, according to FOX News, the Obama campaign has hired 400 bloggers to influence the public discourse and sway Hillary voters to “remember we are all Democrats”, to give up Clinton’s cause, and to become dutiful citizens of the Obama Nation.

  404. I HEARD RUSH SAY

    that al -gore might endorse obama
    is it true>>

    did obama give his koolaid to everyone??

  405. NYCMAX, Bush maybe trying to help Obama get elected. The combine in Illinois goes all the way to Iraq and crosses both parties. If Bush and co. are in this too, a President Obama could throw out Fitzgerald and declare it a dead issue.
    Has anyone buy me wondered why Bush is settling in Paraquay after his terms are over? Does anyone know if we have an extradition treaty with Paraquay!

  406. Being from the great Pacific Northwest myself, I would say, don’t underestimate Oregon. There is definitely a quiet majority of hard working blue colloar middle class Americans in the suburbs and rural farms of Oregon. They dont take well to being talked down to and they dont neccessarily connect with the tofu eating, latte drinking liberals of Portlland and Ashland.

    Call them. They will respond and when we take Oregon we win the election.

    Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President

  407. SONIA4HILLARY – It’s just a jerk trying to stir crap around. He’ll say Al Gore will endorse, he won’t, and then Obama looks like an idiot. Or else, Al Gore endorses, and Rush has already taken most of the fire out of it. But I’m going with the former.

  408. birdgal Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    TROLL ALERT:

    i know that

    on fox specially ,,
    so what i do

    i use different name like ..sam,,joyce,,hillfan,,lovehillary

    if they find out who r u in particular ,,they bug you all day long ,,they do not have any answers for you ,,but they keep on calling me or us racist

    so best thing to do is AVOID OR don,t be afraid to go into the mud and only you should come out

  409. I’m thinking that anyone looking at this board this afternoon is wondering if Clinton supporters are resigned to the fact that VP is the only expectation we have now for Senator Clinton.

    I’d just like to go on the record as saying that Hell No! It’s Hillary all the way on this board!!! At least those are my personal views.

  410. I would not be surprised at Al Gore endorsement to Waffles .. he has been mad at the Clintons for years. I’m more steamed at the $400 Dollar Man than I would be of Gore.

    That being said, I hope Hill comes out tomorrow with several sd’s .. those WV people need to be pressured…Governor Manchin and Senator Byrd ..

  411. dot48 – I am almost completely sure that Gov. Manchin will support HRC. He was very enthusiastic of Hillary when I saw him on MSNBC, even as the anchors on that channel were blasting him and the WV population over and over again.

  412. The media insults the American voter by dismissing the historic campaign of Hillary Clinton and the millions of people who support her, and continue to support her, and her campaign.

  413. i have seen trools on fox

    what they do is act neutral

    they will say ,,they only denocrat ,,,country first ,,dem party 2nd and then obama

    they say ,,they say they like hillary but hillary wants them to suppot obama so we need to be united

    MY ANSWER TO THEM IS ,,,, well i am not hillary , so i can,t be so great or so forgiving ,,u guys trashed her and us ,,,,so what u want now ,,,f0000k off now

  414. JanH Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    don,t discourage urself

    we must stay focused and not let ends get to our head

    basically thats what they trying to do ,,so we can stop donating and stop voting hillary ,so she can loose and obama can pick any vp he wants

    do we really want hill obama,s vp ,,,she deserves better

    obamamy foot

    hillary will our 44th president

    and obama would be the leader of false hopes

  415. JanH-

    you got that right. We still haven’t had the convention. The Rezko trial is still unresolved. There are more primaries and the votes of 2.3 million voters have not been counted.

    The democratic party lost in 2000 and 2004 because they lost touch with the middle class of America while trying to force feed them the liberal latte. This time, Hillary Clinton, the true uniter, presents a centerist, practical intelligent and experienced candidacy. She will win.

    Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President

  416. (May 15th, 2008) Obama, Wright, Larry Sinclair and a Murdered T.U.C.C. Gay Choir Director

    ——————————————————————————–

    It’s got leggs!!! Please vote for this story. It’s getting into MSM.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

    i saw this on hillaryforum
    i went to the link but don,t know which story to vote for

    so i voted for all negs of obama

  417. JanH,

    Beckel is an A$$ but there were some interesting points IF :shudder: it should ever come to that.

    Off to read part 3 of Pringle and then try to call KY.

  418. hallow Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
    birdgal – Do they have a link on their website about this, or was it just on TV?

    It was on TM. But, we all know, they have been paying bloggers all along. They have infiltrated all the blogs, to create agitation and distraction. There will just be more of them, trying to convert the unconvertibles.

  419. I read, I think in the Chicago Sun-Times, that the DNC is allowing 50 bloggers to come to Denver.

    I wonder what the breakdown, loyalty-wise, is.

  420. Sonia-

    Have you contacted the local office in OR. They could connect you with the Indian American community in Portland and elsewhere in Oregon to help with phone banking etc. Indian Americans have been some of Hillary’s strongest and quietest supporters.

    just and idea…

  421. # birdgal Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    TROLL ALERT:

    Apparently, according to FOX News, the Obama campaign has hired 400 bloggers to influence the public discourse and sway Hillary voters to “remember we are all Democrats”, to give up Clinton’s cause, and to become dutiful citizens of the Obama Nation.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    Let me get this straight. Untold thousands of bloggers and extreme MSM bias could not prevent a Hillary stomping in WV, supposedly after Obama locked it up in NC (Russert: “We now know who the Democratic will be…”), and they haven’t been able to influence the 16 million plus voters (ahem, 50% of the DEMs).

    So who are these 400 hired guns going to influence? Mom and Pop who don’t even know how to “turn on the interweb”? Or dedicated, educated bloggers and thinkers who are STRONGLY committed to Hillary?

    In case they haven’t noticed, when Obama’s people start overreaching, the steel jaws clamp down hard. Would you like to be answering the phones and hate e-mail today at NARAL? Or be in the NARAL National office handling screaming phone calls from your die-hard affiliates across the country?

    It just shows that Obama is good at wasting all those donations from the little people.

  422. I want to begin by thanking each of you for all of your support and commitment over the last year. It has meant so much to Elizabeth and me. We have been very busy since January working on the causes that got us into the campaign in the first place — helping to build the One America we all believe in.

    You may have heard me talk about one of those programs called College for Everyone — a scholarship pilot project that Elizabeth and I started a few years ago in Greene County, North Carolina.

    The program is based on a simple promise to students: make good grades, work at least 10 hours a week, and stay out of trouble — and the program will help pay for your first year of college. Since we launched this effort in 2005, the percentage of Greene County high school graduates attending college has increased from 54 percent to 74 percent.

    As I write you, 165 high school seniors in Greene County are set to graduate in May and 94% have been accepted into N.C. colleges and universities. Most of these young people are doing just what many of us did — sitting around the kitchen table with their parents, wondering how they will pay for tuition.

    Every parent wants to give their child the opportunity that comes with a college education. But for too many American families, the dream of a college degree is just that — a dream. Now, I need your help to make the dream of a college education a reality for some hard-working students in rural Greene County.

    That’s why I need your help today — with a tax-deductible donation of $10, $25, $50 or $75, whatever you can afford — to bring us one step closer to our goal of College for Everyone. By contributing now, you will help fulfill the college dreams of deserving students in Greene County and show the world that if we work together on big and important issues, change is possible.

    But change can only come with your help. Please contribute now and bring us closer to building One America where every child has the opportunity to go as far as his or her talents and hard work will take them.

    Thank you,

    John Edwards

    P.S. Contributions made by Friday go towards scholarships for the students graduating in May. Please respond today.

    Paid for by John Edwards for President
    410

  423. RGB (or RJK, for get which),
    You spoke of fighting a declaration by the DNC declaration that there is a nominee.
    This is just the kind of thing I’ve been dying to know.
    What happens, what are the ins & outs of that process?

    Is it as simple as them declaring a nominee and Hill refusing to suspend, saying, in effect, No? And then we’re off to Denver?

    So BO hired 400 bloggers (and simultaneously scumbag sites like DKos and HuffPost suspended members in PERFECT standing, like perhaps myself, because they posed a break from their ‘party line’ and threatened to disrupt – in my case destroy 🙂 – the harmony of their message)?

    No kidding. Do those two things (plus you dominate online advertising), and you control the net dialogue.
    You do THAT, and you influence every reporter, every perception, every online poll (and its subsequent reporting by the networks), and you rake in the zillions in online fundraising.

    They’re so fucking clever. If only they had a candidate.

  424. can u belive this mutha f

    how he got our e-mail adds

    i never gave him mine

    is that why he gave ends to obama

  425. Bob Beckel can stuff the VP slot up his twat, that fucking turncoat!

    He knows DAMN WELL what the Clintons have done for this country.

  426. Ronald Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
    Sonia-

    wow

    ronald
    even i never thought of that
    i do feel uncomfortable calling sometimes other states
    i don,t know too much ,,sometimes ,,i have a accent that they don,t understand and sometimes they have it that i don,t get it

    amd those hang ups —they raise my pulse with anxiety thinking what i di wrong

    so i like ur idea
    calling indians in thier languauge –they won,t hang up on me -they be embarrased -and i don,t have to worry about accent

    great
    i will do that

    not now i am in my office (huuby,s office)

    around 5pm
    i will let u know if that goes well

  427. Here is how you know someone is a troll on a Hillary forum (feel free to add to this list):

    1. The person calls for “party unity”. As in, that Hillary should give up.

    2. The person expresses fake concern that the math won’t let Hillary win.

    3. The person attacks people who defend Hillary, saying that they need to “get over it.”

    4. The person says that Hillary and Obama are so similar on the issues that you might as well vote for Obama.

    5. The person claims they speak for all Hillary supporters in saying something like “We tried our best. Might as well support the nominee, Obama, now.”

    6. The person uses numbers that don’t take into account MI and FL.

    7. The person attacks the calling or donations of others to Hillary as futile.

    8. The person keeps asking questions purposely meant to create doubt among Hillary supporters. Examples: “How many more SDs do you think Obama may take from Hillary today?” “How do you think Hillary will react to Al Gore endorsing Obama?”

    9. The person links to articles which they claim are pro-Hillary but aren’t. Or are thinly veiled snark.

    10. The person attacks you when you say you’d rather support McCain than BHO.

  428. Sonia:

    check it out-
    h t t p : / / connect.hillaryclinton.com/group/INDIAN-AMERICANS-FOR-HILLARY-CLINTON/

  429. Hehe, Dana Perino said when Obama snapped at Bushs’ comments this morning that sometimes when people are running for the presidency they think the world revolves around them.

    LMAO!

    Not that I like Bush, but good dig!

  430. u guys

    why not we do this

    between making calls when we r tired , lets f**k with obamabots —what shock would it be if instaed of converting us they became hillary supporters

    so when we f,,,with them ,,make sure to talk about these stories ,,ask them to give u a honest answer before they can ask u anything like

    wright -20 yrs-mentor-book
    farrahkhan-milliommen march

    larry

    rezko

    130 present votes

    57 states

    flag pin not important

    proud of this country for the first time

    black america will wake up

    bitter people cling to guns and religions

    sweetie-sweetie-sweetie–

    why trinity

    new politice -then why need kerry and kennedy

    u were not even in the senate so why u say u voted no for the war

    u said in 2004 u will not run for president in 2008 because that won,t be enough experience

    u snubbed hillary on senate floor

    u used hillary to raise money for ur senate run in 2004 and she is bad for u

    u like reagans better

    and list goes on goes goes on and on on on

    so keep asking these questions

    don,t let them ask u anything about hilll

  431. Clinton and Obama team up, attacking Bush and McCain:

    —-

    Clinton defends Obama from Bush

    Hillary, today in Rapid City, South Dakota, defended Obama from President Bush’s apparent comparison of him to Neville Chamberlain, Ken Vogel reports.

    She told reporters:

    President Bush’s comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous on the face of it, especially in light of his failures in foreign policy. This is the kind of statement that has no place in any presidential address and certainly to use an important moment like the 60th anniversary celebration of Israel to make a political point seems terribly misplaced. Unfortunately, this is what we’ve come to expect from President Bush.

    “There is a very clear difference between Democrats and Republicans on foreign policy and that difference will be evident once we take back the White House.
    See Also

    * Hagee’s apocalyptic support of Israel
    * Obama tours not-so-friendly turf
    * Pelosi hails gay marriage ruling as ‘milestone’

    Obama also released a statement this afternoon attacking McCain, who said in Columbus that he took Bush’s press secretary’s word that Bush had not meant to refer to Obama, but picked up the thread, saying, “This does bring up an issue that we will be discussing with the American people, and that is, why does Barack Obama, Senator Obama, want to sit down with a state sponsor of terrorism?”

    Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor responded:

    It is the height of hypocrisy for John McCain to deliver a lofty speech about civility and bipartisanship in the morning and then embrace George Bush’s disgraceful political attack in the afternoon. Instead of delivering meaningful change, John McCain wants to continue George Bush’s irresponsible and failed Iran policy by refusing to engage in tough, direct diplomacy like Presidents from Kennedy to Reagan have done.

    Clinton took a similar tack, linking Bush’s comment to McCain’s speech on his vision for his first term.

    “I think today we’ve had two examples of why this country is going to be voting for a Democratic president. And I hope that people really look seriously both at President Bush’s comment and at Sen. McCain’s speech and realize that the only way we’re going to restore our leadership and our moral authority and deal with the very real challenges we face in the world is by electing a democratic president and I believe that I am a stronger candidate against Sen. McCain and will be a president who could accomplish that,” she said.

  432. Telling that Mark Green, once a pretty strong advocate for Hill, and Air America radio president, is now on Hardball defending BO as republicans open their ‘BO’s foreign policy is weak & dangerous for America’ front.

    Green and his management did an about face into open advocacy through all their hosts (like Randi Rhodes) for Obama upon taking over.

  433. interseting that Hillary and BO are saying essentially the same thing about Bush but she sounds soooooo much more professional and intelligent. He sounds like a puppy being scolded for peeing on the rug. She sounds like a woman in charge.

  434. Evelyn Pringle article-Curtain time for Barack Obama Part III has been posted,—Part IV will be posted tomorrow Fri. 5/16

    Getting deeper and deeper into what we should know about him before he steals our election process with lies and evasive answers.His memory is a serious problem that we must address.
    Can this possibly be the type of character the MSM is forcing on us?He has no doubt promised enough jobs to his followers and endorsers that there will no unemployment problems for his cult and their relatives. This man is a menace and a real threat to this country and ultimately to the world if he is nominated.Parts I II III are more bagage than any one can imagine.It is not too late in spite of Sharpton and his slimy threat of riots if AA’s are denied their chosen one the Presidency.Every day the stuff is piling up behind the fan. Log on for more coming tomorrow.

    Hillary needs us and we sure need her more than ever.

    By ABM90

  435. Blue Democrat Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Telling that Mark Green, once a pretty strong advocate for Hill, and Air America radio president, is now on Hardball defending BO as republicans open their ‘BO’s foreign policy is weak & dangerous for America’ front.
    &&&&&

    Just because party insiders are getting “infected” by Obama-itis, which I believe is fatal, doesn’t mean it is transferrable to people with common sense. Using your own brain, and finding good sources for alternative information (away from liberal wacko blogs and MSM), are the best ways to innoculate yourself against this horrible ravaging disease.

    It reminds me of the old SNL skit, with all the people turning into Reagan “pod people”. It is exactly like that!

  436. I admit,

    I still don’t get the Bush sin of bringing up non-appeasement. He didn’t mention anyone by name. i don’t see why the heck HRC is weighing in on this other unless she was pressured. Waffles said in response to one of the debate questions that he would meet with all foreign leaders and HRC said she wouldn’t. So why is she now chiming in on this absurd and paranoid Waffles campaign freak-out?

  437. I am really discouraged with the democratic party. They come off as so petty, nasty and divisive anymore. This has got to be from a lack of leadership from the top. There is just a general mean and nasty tone that I don’t care for at all. As soon as my vote for Hillary is counted, I’m changing my affiliation.

  438. Blue,
    wasn’t me. There is no nominee until someone has enough delegates after the “Roll Call of States” at the convention and any delegate pledged or SD can change their mind before each and every nominating vote.

  439. I had to go to work and I am there now. What happened did Hillary weigh in on Bambi weak stance in the middle east?

  440. Birdgal – The Fox News report about the 400 BHO bloggers is dead-on. If anything, I think that number is too low.

    These are Axelrod’s “Astroturfers.” They are pure hacks, and they are usually about as obvious as 30-something Secret Service agents trying to pretend they are teenagers.

    As someone mentioned above, one of the best countermeasures to use with these people is to draw their fire and keep them away from making their rounds. This is something I have been employing for some time when maintaining my YouTube videos, etc.

    The astroturfers are so obsessed, and used to on sites like Daily Joke and Talking Smack Memo, with dominating the discussions like good Stalinist that you can easily use this against them. I often receive the most insane, certifiable comments from these people but they always make me smile because the comments will both never see the light of day and they have taken up the time of the ‘turfers in writing them.

    The important thing to remember is that there are many, many more paid Astroturfers for OBambi than there are people on the HRC payroll. These people are ruthless, and don’t care about intellectual honesty. Some of their favorite ploys are to ‘game’ recommended diary lists and to flood admins with baseless charges against non-Kool-Aiders in the hopes of getting their opponents kicked off of the blogs they are ‘turfing. This is what happened to me on both Daily Joke and My Delusional Diatribes, and it has happened to many others as well.

    It’s important to understand that these ‘turfers are often more intelligent than the admins they are bullying. They understand which buttons to push on the admins and many of the unsuspecting admins fall hook, line and sinker for these ploys. This phenomenon has been repeated again and again on scores of ‘progressive’ sites.

    Again, the best thing to do when you come up against these people is ID them, do not engage in back and forth with them and draw their fire and attention away from accomplishing their tasks. Though some of the ‘turfers are intelligent, they are often incredibly fanatical and are thus easily manipulable. It is easy to get, and keep, them off-balance. And the more we can get them focused on vitriol-filled, borderline psychotic jihads against those of us who recognize what they are, the less successful their efforts are.

    As the article about BHO’s (actually it’s his backers; BHO is not himself smart enough to enact this) desire to run parallel organizations to those of the Party’s shows, we are dealing with full-blown cultists and megalomaniacs here. These people will do anything, say anything and they don’t care. Making the Clintons into some sort of ‘racists’ is a perfect example of how unscrupulous these people are.

    The point is this: This is all-out trench warfare. If you let your guard down one second or stop to ask yourself “Gee, these people can’t really be this without ethics, could they?” you have already lost. These Chicago Posse members don’t care and they are going for broke, constantly.

    The only way you crush such insurgents is to meet them head-on, and then outflank them. Many Clinton supporters weren’t ready for the outright thuggishness of the BHO Juice Crew, but now we pretty much all understand the score.

    This is ‘total war,’ period. I get a lot of flack from HRC backers who don’t like my methods but I have no illusions that we are up against a dirty, amoral and totally underhanded opponent. They took it to the mud and now we have to fight them there. There is no other choice and no other way to win. BHO and his jackals are counting on things such as the often forgiving nature of women in order to help him and have people forget just what he did to HRC this entire contest. People like GodBrazila are starting to try to smooth over things with HRC backers.

    Nope.

    It’s all a ruse. It’s all one giant cynical game.

    If we stop BHO from being elected — either now or in November — we win. If we don’t, the punks win and they get to call the shots.

    There is no time for niceties or pleasantries. Get your battle fatigues and head to the trenches. It is time to reduce the enemy to dust, for Hillary, for our party and for all of us who have been wronged throughout this campaign.

    Everyone here knows I’m in 100%. This isn’t about furthering a person’s blog career or helping a site grow — those things will only interfere with our aims. This is about straight-up winning and losing. And we must make the enemy submit. That’s it, period.

    I’m sorry for those of you who don’t like my metaphors but this is how my mind works (very strategically-oriented) and this is, in fact, what we are dealing with. This is war; total, scorched-earth war. Any other attempt to dress it up as anything else is either naivety or the political equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig.

    BHO’s thugs are all-in. The only question now is are we going to beat them back or are we going to cave. That’s it.

    As the saying goes, it is better to die on one’s feet than to live on one’s knees.

    If we do fail — either now and/or in November — then let us do so on our terms and not on the terms of some loser like Fat Chappy Lion Teddy or some jackass race-baiter like Doug Wilder.

    No way I’m going out like that, ever. And I don’t expect to go out a loser now, either. We are going to take down this fraudulent Illinois pol and all of his neo-Jacobin asshat supporters, too. West Virginia was only the beginning of their winter.

    Back to work.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  441. confloyd,

    yes she put out a statemtn echoing what kerry and pelosi said.

    WTF!!!!!!

    Scroll upthread for more.

  442. I just heard no winner in the Texas caucas will be given until the Texas convention! 🙂 I will tell you folks, fighting confloyd will not let those bots get anything over on her. Rest assured I will be wearing a red shirt, and be ready for the fight! Looking forward to it!

  443. “The group calls itself “Clinton Supporters Count Too” and promises to highlight what it says is unfavorable treatment of Clinton by the party. The group says it will campaign against Obama in the swing states of Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania if he wins over Clinton.”

    Finally, women stand up for Hillary and make our voice heard.

  444. confloyd
    there are still over 200 Texas SD who have not declared who they are voting for at the TX convention. We need as many of them as possible.

  445. anyways, it’s good to see that psychics are still sticking to their predictions despite the pressures. This is from Michelle Whitedove, winner of America’s best psychic who has predicted a Hillary presidency for ages now:

    I want thank all of you for your emails and watching my BLOG for updates. I’ve been inundated with emails about Hillary, her win in Indiana and loss in North Carolina, so I’d like to give a psychic update.

    First I’d like to clarify why 100% accuracy is not possible when looking into the future. I’m not an all knowing oracle. Only God knows the true outcome and I am his humble messenger. When I look into the future, it’s much like an onion. Time is circular with many layers past, present, future, and many possible futures. Our future is dependent upon mankind’s free will. We each create our personal future based on our actions, thoughts, and our intent. Collectively as a mass consciousness we create the future for the USA and our World. Nothing is written in stone, the future is always in flux and shifting. There are always three possible futures. As a visionary and futurist, I try to predict the MOST PROBABLE future.

    With that said, I’m NOT changing my prediction.
    -I still see Hillary Clinton as President. My vision remains unchanged.
    -It will be a close race for Hillary to win the nomination with recounts of delegates, super delegates and mega delegates.
    -I see a “Major” scandal coming for Obama that will greatly tarnish his reputation. Obama has many dirty secrets.
    -The Washington insiders do not want Obama as President because they know that he will be ineffective. Whereas Hillary knows how get the wheels in motion and move forward to get her goals accomplished.
    THIS I KNOW FOR SURE:
    I know without a shadow of doubt that Hillary will be America’s first Woman President. Some way, somehow, she will be President… I know that 100%! If not this election because of man’s free will, then the next election. Hillary wrote in her contract with God to be a world leader and make difference for humanity and she will accomplish the task to the best of her ability. You see, before we come to Earth we make a contract, and agreement to complete certain tasks and/or lessons during this lifetime. Hillary will complete her mission.

    😀

  446. + on Obama:
    As of today, Obama is over-confidant and the power is going to his head. He is buying into his own PR hype. His people are playing up the Christian family man, but we are in the beginning stages of scandal, after scandal. His colorful past will crop up as his opposition is digging for the dirt. In Obama’s younger years he never thought that he would be running for US President. So now the ugly truth will be spoon fed to the American public: marital indiscretions, prejudice, drug use, associations with the wrong people and even money laundering associated with his church. The country’s opinion will turn on him. Unfortunately this will cause Oprah great embarrassment, and will lead to a drop in her ratings.

    ok, we already see prejudice, drug use, and associations with the wrong people. I think any big scandals coming up will have to do with marital indiscretions (Larry Sinclair) and money laundering with the church (10 million dollar Wright loan)

  447. I am done with this party if he steals this, what made it even more clear s what happened at the Edwards thing where they all boooed when he talked about her……perfect sampling of the Obama people…..and now they are going to pay in November if he is the nominee, but let’s not allow that KY and PR!

  448. YEAH!!!!!!…. Let the GOP games begin!!

    Michelle Obama takes heat from Tennessee GOP

    # Story Highlights
    # Tennessee GOP releases Web video attacking Michelle Obama
    # Video takes aim at her comment about being proud of America “for the first time”
    # The four-minute clip coincides with her visit to the state Thursday
    # The Obama campaign calls the attack “shameful”

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/15/michelle.tennessee/

  449. Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: “Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.” We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.

    Waffles response.

    HRC’s response to Bush’s remarks. “…she called Mr. Bush’s original comments “offensive and outrageous, especially in light of his failures in foreign policy.” Someone please explain!

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-calls-b.html

  450. Thank you, Birdgal.

    The only thing that matters right now is winning by making sure Obama loses. There is nothing else.

    If people want to talk about “Dead-enders,” then let them talk.

    The only dead-end for us is the one that would accompany an Obama election victory. Until that time, all of our ‘ends’ are perfectly alive.

    I am glad to put my ability to write to use for HRC. But there are things which you can do that I cannot, things that you have mastered that I haven’t even started.

    We all have our part to play here, none more important than yours.

    🙂

    Paul F. Villarreal

  451. 😳

    Waffles response;

    “It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel’s independence to launch a false political attack,” Obama said in a statement his aides distributed. “George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president’s extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel.

  452. Did anyone see Jon Stewart last night? Basically did a segment in which he layed out the reason why HRC won big, with selected video clips to boot: West Virginians are racist hillbillies.

    When HRC wins, it’s because of racism; when Bambi wins, it’s because he’s just the better candidate.

    Stewart is an ass. Can’t seem to hide his own biased. Funny. His show is premised on mocking the biased media. What happens when you become the people you hate?

  453. Michelle thinks America is mean anyway, so why are they surprised? The GOP is just getting started and Michelle does not yet know the meaning of the word mean.

  454. basil9, “i have never supported engagement with terrorists….” which is funny because he’s good friends with Ayers?

  455. LOL…Axelrod better be careful what he hopes for. He has created a blog monster mash that is out of control. Either he has told them that anything goes and they can trash/lie their way/attack anyone they want while they pump up the dark prince, or his blog has been infiltrated by the extreme element that usually end up in cults.

  456. Maggie Williams says it best: We will NOT be distracted!

    Now everyone: please ask yourself…what have you done today to help Hillary win? Donate? Post supportive comments at newspapers? Make calls? Volunteer work? Please do whatever you can.

    More importantly, PLEASE MAKE CALLS TO OREGON AND KENTUCKY today, tomorrow and this weekend!!!

    Oregon is already voting with mail-in ballots! Our time is NOW so please call!

    Let’s keep the momentum going…

    Our best defense is a large vote turnout for her! We can help do it!

    PLEASE MAKE CALLS TO OREGON AND KENTUCKY and fight for HILL!!

    She’s still in it and so should we! Let’s stayed focused on the prize!!

  457. justmeinmountdorafl

    SNL could have a field day with that comment. do a skit with Obama saying “I have never supported engagement with terrorists” Then have an assistant tell Obama that Ayers has to cancel their golf date because he is planning a bombing at the pentagon. Poor taste I know, but they could jump all over his ass with that comment.

  458. justme,

    she just won a primary by huge numbers!!! The Republicans are going after Obama!!! Kentucky is next!!! Hillary is an amazing candidate!!!

    It’s all good! No matter what the media or Obama does, she’s still standing! 🙂

  459. basil,

    How much you want to bet that someone wrote out that response for Obama? Can’t imagine him slinging two of those words together by himself. 😉

  460. I am really disappointed that Hillary came in support of Obambi after all the backstabbing of Kerry, Pelosi and other dems.

  461. I personally think all the medias questions on BO and the GOP attention towards BO is a good thing for us.

    first of all…..they are not talking about hillary in a negative way when they ignore her……sure we would rather
    she was getting glorious media attention instead…..but I would rather work what we are getting in our favor!

    there isn’t a person in this country that thinks this race is over, they know her better than that!
    and they are just lining up to vote for her in the next primary 😀

    and that is what has waffles & syrup company all in a tizzy! they know she will trounce him in KY
    and that will give WV more wieght and will bring a TON OF HEAVY questioning about his electability for the GE
    Hillary has BO right where she wants him 😀

  462. MO should know, after all the American People have educated her enough, that Politics is rough, and wives are fair game. She is not a person without intelligance or education. If you can take after a Purple Heart Recipient, and make him a looser, her unpatriotic remarks will be prime time for a long time with the Republicans. They wave the flag constantly and know how to do it. They don’t even feel guilty about it.

    Calling them shameful falls on dead ears.

  463. clintondem99 Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
    I am really disappointed that Hillary came in support of Obambi after all the backstabbing of Kerry, Pelosi and other dems.

    Why do you guys that? It shows Hillary has class and loyalty to the party. That’s nothing to pooh-pah about. She behaving the exact opposite of what Obama or his supporters would do if the roles were reversed.

    Be proud that you support such a classy woman.

  464. Unbelievable.

    Chimpy mentions terrorist appeasement, and Bambi raises his hand and says you must be talking about me !

    WHAT AN IDIOT.

    Then the party has to come to his defense. I hope you SDs see how the RightWing will slice Bambi like a Thanksgiving turkey.

  465. Michelle has put herself in this position. in the past spouses were never as visable and vocal as she has been on the campaign trail. Even when Bill ran in ’92 with the exception of NH and the 60 minutes interview, Hillary was not out front and center like Michelle has been. If you don’t want to be a target grab a beer and go to the Cindy McCain school for campaign spouses.

  466. filbertsf,

    I agree. She did the right thing. And you can bet that the media would have been all over her if she hadn’t sided with poor Obama.

  467. When the chips are down, Obama says, “Hillary, you’re nice enough.”

    Hillary always come to his defense when the GOP attack machine goes after him.

  468. About phone banking, that Oregon script at hillaryclinton.com doesn’t look very relevant to me. Maybe they should update it.

    What if I just call and ask who they are supporting and if it’s HIllary, ask things like did they receive their ballot okay and have they mailed it yet and do they need help with it.

  469. //facts.hillaryhub.com/
    From: :The Fact Hub- The Straight Scoop on Election ’08 from the Hillary Clinton Campaign

    ABC News: Hillary Leads In Total Popular Vote

    Send to a Friend »

    Following her strong victory in West Virginia last night, Hillary regained her lead in the total popular vote, including Michigan and Florida. From ABC News:

    Clinton: 16,691,283
    Obama: 16,647,926

    5/14/2008 3:55:20 PM #

  470. filbertsf
    Hillary does it because it makes her look like the stronger candidate and Obama like a wimp crying the GOP is picking on me and my Mo. In other words her defending him makes the subtle suggestion that he needs protecting and she is the stronger of the 2.

  471. clintondem99, We really don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes, I am sure Hillary knows what she is doing, and I trust her fully!
    Did you see the republican video in Tennessee? I loved the end, “if my pastor went on a wild tirad, I can just walk out” OMG, I loved that video!! Republicans are going to slaughter the OBAMA’s! 🙂

  472. clintondem99 Says:

    May 15th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
    I am really disappointed that Hillary came in support of Obambi after all the backstabbing of Kerry, Pelosi and other dems.

    “Why? Because she shows how classy she is and others don’t?”

  473. When calling folks in Oregon, keep this helpful information handy:

    LGN or Bush Cheney Energy Bill that Obama voted for and Hillary opposed. LGN is Liquid Natural Gas pipeline that will run along our coastline and private farmlands (eminent domain). The state has no say because it’s a federal bill. Hillary will give back the state the right to make its own decisions.

    Let’s keep the momentum going… PLEASE MAKE CALLS TO OREGON AND KENTUCKY!!

  474. I hope sds watch what is going on and WAKE UP! They are going to destroy the Obama’s permanently. We here on this side of things are trying to save the party, and the elites are trying to stick us with an unelectable liability, meanwhile our candidate is winning swing state after swing state and is winning against McCain in electoral votes, beating him in swing states and blue states……ugh…It’s all on Puerto Rico, let’s shatter turnout records there comeon guys and gals 🙂

  475. Dear _______________,

    After Hillary’s 41-point landslide win in West Virginia, she’s proven that she is the candidate who will win the critical swing states, get to 270 electoral votes, and beat John McCain in November.

    Now we turn our sights to Oregon and Kentucky. Voters in Oregon are mailing their ballots now and voters in Kentucky are preparing to head to the polls this Tuesday, May 20. Hillary needs your help in both states, and we need you to connect personally with Oregon and Kentucky voters and let them know they this race is up to them — not the pundits.

    When our best supporters like you use Activate to make calls to voters, it makes a huge difference in helping us get every last vote out for Hillary. And our Activate dialing system is so easy to use — it makes the calls for you, meaning you can talk to more voters in one two-hour shift. Hillary needs you more than ever. Can you sign up to make calls for at least one two-hour shift?

    Click here to sign up for a two hour shift: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/may20calls/

    Over the next five days, Hillary and her senior staff will hold a series of nightly conference calls with our Activate volunteers to discuss how the calls you make are a critical part of our plan for victory. We’ll also provide you with training for the Activate system if you haven’t used it before. We’ll tell you how to join our conference calls when you sign up for a shift.

    As president, Hillary is going to fight for every one of us every single day. It’s up to us to fight for her now.

    Thanks for all you do for the campaign.

    Sincerely,

    Aaron Ver
    Deputy National Field Director
    Hillary Clinton for President

  476. there is a “kevin” guy on hardball right now really slinging the stuff at obama and being a great suragate for hillary

    wow!

    saying things like hamas endorsed BO and bush was definately talking about BO and BO has alot to answer to the american people

  477. If anyone wants to phone bank they don’t really have to ‘sign up’ for a ‘2 hour shift’.

    If you don’t mind the calls being on your own billl, at hillaryclinton.com they will put a number on the screen and you call it direction, no tme restrictions, quit any time you want to.

    The service where you call their free number also lets you make however many you want and start and quit any time, at least it did last week.

  478. JanH, I can’t stomach Axelrod, he has run the nastiest campaign I have ever witnessed, he deserves it.

  479. Everyone check the video that Shenanigan posted!

    The MO Tennesse video:
    http://www.youtube.com/tennesseeGOP

    4 minutes of Mo saying over and over “For the First time in my adult life I’m proud of my country” and citizens saying why they’ve always been proud of their country.

    About HRC’s defense of Waffles, I just don’t think there was anything TO defend. It was another ridiculous Waffles tantrum.

  480. Has anyone else noticed if you click on a link at TM, you get can’t find page? The bots are cleaning over there on a regular basis!

  481. confloyd,

    I’m not a fan of his either. I just don’t think that abhorent label should apply to him. He is amoral yes. But that’s as far as I’ll go.

  482. smackdown on bo hardball..goo~ goo~~ kevin get him on the trail now…bring that obamas and axelrods
    out to the open..what a guy…tweety you sissy shaking his head like dbrazlle

  483. filbert

    i don’t know, i dont watch that show and don’t know who he is LOL

    tweety got mad at him dissing BO and so he tried to bite kevins head off
    with DEMAND kevin tell him what chamberlain did in 1938

    kevin couldn’t site history so tweety told him off…LOL

    just showed tweety can’t stand BO being dissed!

  484. oh and tweety was wrong on his definition of appeasement LOL

    so i was kind and emailed the dictionary version of the meaning of
    appeasement and a little history of chamberlain in 1938 😀

  485. same difference, but I’m not dissing you. I think a lot Hill supporter just don’t want her doing anything that remotely looks like she’s giving a nod to him.

    For my part, I wouldn’t expect anything less from her.

  486. dija, is he sort of a chunky fella? Sort of Drew Carey-ish w/o the glasses and geekiness?

  487. btw, did you guys know the government can control hurricanes? it’s really interesting, I’ve been reading up on it and it’s NOT a conspiracy theory, but riddled in facts and testimony.

  488. Hey everyone,

    FDRjim has a youtube campaign going.

    Check it out. Simple but effective and poignant.

    /www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_PqPgHh7Vg

  489. prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/141005weather_modification.htm

    ^ the article on weather modification. Apparently, it has been in development and research since the 50’s. Occasionally, these techniques are used to create more rainfall for needy places but primarily it was to minimize hurricane devastation around the northeast (when it was bad in ’52 and ’53) and was used as weapons too (making hurricanes or monsoons worse) during the Viet war.

    idk, it has methods for how the government does it, and testimony from a person who say Hurricane Katrina could’ve been a much smaller devastation than what it really was.

  490. + Utah has documentation and even something on the state page saying that they have used similar techniques to generate snowfall every year. lol (since the ’50s)

    water.utah.gov/waterplan/uwrpff/Chp-06c.htm

  491. mjs……I will have to take a look at that stuff

    I knew we were experimenting with weather control for like forever
    but didn’t know or think about it much

  492. Guess it’s just me, but even though I agree whole-heartedly that Bush is a blooming idiot – I am GLAD that he called Obama out for his naive (and extermely dangerous) stances on the Middle east. Sort of proud to finally see this fellow Texan wuss actually have a spine on this one. I mean, idiot or not, would you want this terrorist-embracing person to succeed your presidency?

    Also, read a “reader’s article” scrolling down to the bottom of front page at Real Clear Politics, and looking at those with most votes. One article talks about obama’s insignia being the Muslim crescent and sickle. Check it out.

  493. idk, i think it’s kind of interesting to speculate/get testimony about what man’s capabilities are, and the government’s capabilities, of course.

  494. djia – Sorry I’m a little late to this, but Kevin James is no surrogate for Hillary. He was a screaming lunatic for McCain/Bush. If the subject was Hillary, he would have gone all psycho on her too.

    That man is a walking heart attack and/or stroke.

  495. Why does Michelle always look and sound so bitter and angry? She’s successful and wealthy… what’s there to be angry about?

    I’d choose Cyndi (sp) McCain over her any day.

  496. djia – Yes, I have my DVD recorder prepped. I hope Politico was right. I really want to see this group.

  497. From the noquarter blog : h t t p : / / noquarterusa.net/blog/

    Will Barack Throw Mama From the Train? »

    By Larry JohnsongravatarcloseAuthor: Larry Johnson Name: Larry Johnson

    I now have it from two sources close to senior Republicans that they have video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wright’s United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament. Here’s what the Republicans are currently using in Tennessee:

    (Show’s the tennesee gop ad)

    When the ugly video tapes about Jeremiah Wright’s racist ravings first broke Barack Obama told us he could no longer disown Jeremiah Wright than his own Grandmother. Well, we all know how that turned out. So will Barack stand by Michelle when the tape emerges of her verbally attacking “whitey?” Republicans, who are otherwise gloomy about prospects in November, recognize that this recording will create real problems for Barack and give them a shot at the White House. It is their October surprise.
    Does Barack have an obligation to tell the Democrats, super delegates in particular, about this tape? Did Barack and his campaign do their basic homework and identify this tape as a potential problem? And, more importantly, do they have a copy? Probably better to deal with this issue before the convention rather than wait for October. What do you think?

  498. You are exactly right in your analysis of the spouse. Hillary ran into this problem in Bill’s administration. If you don’t want to be scrutinized, then do the silent stuff, and stay out of it. If you want to be actively involved, and you are making political statements, you are going to be treated like a part of the poitical team, and criticized. As a women, you cannot have it both way. In otherwords, if you have a political opinion, and you express it, get prepared to defend it and be criticized for it. That come with that equality.

  499. “No kidding. Do those two things (plus you dominate online advertising), and you control the net dialogue.
    You do THAT, and you influence every reporter, every perception, every online poll (and its subsequent reporting by the networks), and you rake in the zillions in online fundraising.”

    Did you think that I and others here were exaggerating when we said that Obama’s followers were putting a modern spin on the imitation of bullying tactics used by the German National Socialists (Nazi) Brownshirts SA? If you are not already familiar with the methods the SA used, do a little research. You will be shocked at the similarities. It’s scary.

  500. OBAMA’S PLANS TO STEAL THE NOMINATION:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/us/politics/15rules.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

    Here’s the text from the above link:

    Party’s Rules Committee Has a Crucial Role in Clinton’s Hopes

    By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
    Published: May 15, 2008

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s hopes for the presidential nomination may in large part rest on an obscure Democratic National Committee panel, a group of several allies, but not enough at this point to achieve her goal of counting the votes or delegates of Florida and Michigan.

    The panel, the Rules and Bylaws Committee, is to meet on May 31 in Washington and could determine the nominating process, or at least heavily influence it. What the committee will do is a major question mark before the last primaries on June 3.

    Among the 30 panel members, 13 have declared support for Mrs. Clinton and 8 have declared for Senator Barack Obama. Seven others are neutral or have not declared, although some of their fellow members perceive at least four as leaning toward Mr. Obama. The co-chairmen have not endorsed anyone.

    Among the members is Harold Ickes, a top adviser and chief delegate counter for Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Ickes would most likely lead in making Mrs. Clinton’s case, which is that the committee should seat the full delegations from both Florida and Michigan. The committee has voted to strip both states of their delegates because they violated party rules in moving up their primaries.

    Mrs. Clinton’s campaign wants the delegates apportioned between her and Mr. Obama based on popular votes. That would give her a net increase of 47 delegates.

    This is not enough for the lead in the delegate count, but validating those states could bolster the Clinton argument that she is ahead in the overall count of the popular vote. The Clinton camp hopes it can persuade superdelegates that the popular vote is a valid metric by which to judge her strength, and that will help move them into her column

    The campaign said the West Virginia primary on Tuesday gave Mrs. Clinton, by some counts, the overall edge in the popular vote, if Michigan and Florida are included and some caucus states are not.

    “This is one of many factors that superdelegates are going to look at,” a spokesman for the campaign, Howard Wolfson, told reporters. But “it is obviously not dispositive.”

    Mr. Obama has said that if he has enough delegates to secure his nomination, he would want to seat the full Michigan and Florida delegations. But he has not said how the rules panel should apportion the two states’ delegations if he has not gotten the required number of delegates over all by the May 31 meeting.

    His campaign hopes that the question becomes moot, and plans are afoot for Mr. Obama to claim the nomination on May 20, when the Oregon primary is expected to give him a majority of pledged delegates.

    A growing sense in Mr. Obama’s campaign is that the rules meeting will be irrelevant and that the Clinton campaign is promoting it as a psychological reason for her to continue the race. Aides said they doubted that superdelegates would be persuaded by Mrs. Clinton’s argument that she is ahead in the overall popular vote.

    Superdelegates have been continuing to drift toward Mr. Obama.

    “The remaining superdelegates who aren’t committed are not waiting for a better argument,” an Obama ally said. “They’re waiting for this process to figure itself out.”

    On the committee agenda are two challenges to its stripping Florida and Michigan of their delegates. The challenges essentially ask that either all delegates be seated with half a vote or that just half the states’ delegates be seated.

    A third challenge may come from Michigan, seeking to have approximately 75 percent of the delegates seated.

    The co-chairmen of the panel, James Roosevelt Jr. and Alexis Herman, have agreed not to endorse anyone until all disputes have been settled, Mr. Roosevelt said, adding that in case of a tie on a motion, they would vote.

    Another member, Donald Fowler, a former chairman of the national committee and a supporter of Mrs. Clinton, said: “The intensity of the fight will vary with the degree that the Clinton people think we still have a chance. The ball is in Obama’s court. If he wants to be magnanimous, he can be, without threatening his position, and that could lead to a fairly amicable resolution.

    “But if he thinks he’s threatened, he won’t do it, and I don’t blame him. But unless something unusual happens between now and then, he will be in good shape.”

  501. filbertsf, you asked why could MO be so mad, maybe the same reason McCreevy ex-wife looked mad all the time! Just a thought, don’t get mad at me Filbert!

  502. Dijia,
    I wonder if the JW tapes are still for sale? I know a couple of posters at Tm have been archiving everything Jm for the past year and have the DVD’s.
    Curiosity,
    I agree. If bush was taking a swipe at Waffles (still not convinced – check the transcript of the entire speech) i think it was deserved. Plus the Waffles reaction is so friggin’over-the-top and petulantly hysterical. Gimmeabrak!
    Paddy,
    Did you forgive me? 😥

  503. I watched the entire 90 minute August 25 2007 Rules and bylaws committee hearings regarding the Florida delegates and the members had obviously already reached the decision to impose the harshest possible sanctions before the hearing even started. Check it out, it’s on c-span, and tell me Ralph Dawson, NY SD and waffles supporter, Alexis Herman, a DC DNC member and Brazille weren’t delighted at the unanimous (except for one voice) ruling to punish Florida.

    These are the same people, I believe, who will preside over the May 31 hearing. Set-up. 👿

  504. was it just me? or did this site disapear for a few minutes?

    I couldn’t even google it, I switched to a different browzer and still couldnt bring the site up!!!

  505. djia, The site disappeared for a few minutes, maybe the bots did not like it that we now know what the October surprise is? Wanna bet?

  506. confloyd….i am sure they are not happy with our posting the noquarter article 😀

    HEY BOTS!!! TAKE SOME NOTES

    WE DON’T GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT YOU DON’T LIKE!!!!

  507. me too it disappeared..this shit need s check out..this internet disappear crap..I think fbi is aware
    especially if they have it done to them at home

  508. WaPo, on the latest Obama blunder:

    blog.washingtonpost.com/channel-08/2008/05/obamas_detroit_speech.html?hpid=topnews

    —–
    Sen. Barack Obama may have to retract a claim he made at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner in Indianapolis on May 8.

    In the 30-minute speech, Obama discussed the usual “challenges facing people across Indiana and all across this country are growing by the day,” i.e. housing crisis, the economy and health care.

    However, the key phrase to listen for is this (23:24):

    “We’re going to have do what I did when I went to Detroit and told the automakers that they’re going to have to raise fuel-efficiency standards on cars. We can make more efficient cars right here in the United States. There’s no way they have to be made in Japan. But, it requires that Detroit changes its ways. And I have to say that when I delivered that speech, nobody clapped. The room was really quiet. But that’s OK, because that’s part of what is the task of the next president.”

    Why is this the key phrase, you ask?

    The speech that Obama refers to is from May 2007 when he spoke to the Detroit Economic Club. Despite what he said at the J-J Dinner and several other moments on the campaign trail, Obama was applauded by the audience when he proposed setting higher fuel efficiency standards.

    The YouTube user, ObamaDetroit, splices together Obama’s speech from Indianapolis and compares it to the speech he gave at the Detriot Economic Club.

    ObamaDetriot joined YouTube one week ago and only has this video on the channel.

    Obama’s misstatement, caught on tape, is somewhat reminiscent of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s story of landing under sniper fire in Bosnia. Clinton had recounted the story of her 1996 trip to the Tulza Airport several times along the campaign trail, saying: “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

    Eventually, a video surfaced of Clinton strolling down the tarmac, giving a hug to a little girl and observing the military. Under pressure by the media and whistleblowers, Clinton admitted in an interview with the Philadelphia Daily News that she had indeed, misspoke.

    Should Obama be put under similar pressure to clarify his statements? Let your thoughts be known in comments section.

  509. “For a minute I couldn’t reload h44 or post.”

    I think it came right after I posted my comment about the Obama camp using SA brownshirt-like tactics. Boy, they are really watching this site, aren’t they? What will happen if ever they gain control of the levers of power?

  510. Berkeley Vox Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    he made this same statement just the other day in Michigan LOL!!!

  511. The site disappeared, I couldn’t post, the whole page turned blue and white and then the screen froze.

    At first i thought Admin was putting up a new thread. weird.

    About the MO whitey remarks – I’m so PO’d for not having bought those DVD’s back in January. I posted here asking if anyone wanted to go in with me but didn’t get any response and then i figured what the heck, i guess the tapes aren’t that important. boy was i wrong.

  512. OBAMA: “HEADS I WIN, TAILS HILLLARY LOSES”

    $$$ = My comments to my posting at 8:08pm:

    Among the members is Harold Ickes, a top adviser and chief delegate counter for Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Ickes would most likely lead in making Mrs. Clinton’s case, which is that the committee should seat the full delegations from both Florida and Michigan. The committee has voted to strip both states of their delegates because they violated party rules in moving up their primaries.

    $$$ …because four other states moved up too, but weren’t punished: NH, SC, Iowa, and NV. All the early players kept leap-frogging each other.
    $$$

    The campaign said the West Virginia primary on Tuesday gave Mrs. Clinton, by some counts, the overall edge in the popular vote, if Michigan and Florida are included and some caucus states are not.

    $$$ If they’re implying that Clinton & Co. are somehow evil for not counting caususes toward the “popular vote”, it’s because there are no hard numbers to add up, as there are in primaries. Caucuses are a sham. Additionally, Obama out-of-staters regularly “crashed” caucuses, participating because of lax oversight.
    $$$

    Mr. Obama has said that if he has enough delegates to secure his nomination, he would want to seat the full Michigan and Florida delegations.

    $$$ Think about Obama’s proposal. It’s “Heads I win, tails you lose”. He would *allow* MI/FL to be seated if the game is over. This implicitly means he won’t allow them if they will make a difference. So he either a) wins, and gives MI/FL an air kiss, or b) will fight their inclusion if they prevent him from winning.
    $$$

    His campaign hopes that the question becomes moot, and plans are afoot for Mr. Obama to claim the nomination on May 20, when the Oregon primary is expected to give him a majority of pledged delegates.

    $$$ Majority of WHAT DELEGATES??? Obama NOW wants super delegates to count, and count NOW, before any May 31st decision can be made by the DNC rules committee. Earlier, his position was “SDs should not overrule the will of the People” (COMMITTED dels). Now, because he will not have enough COMMITTED delegates to even get over the 2,025 hump (let alone what it should be, 2,209 to include FL/MI), he wants to lump in SDs, yell “I Won”, and grab the trophy off the table. Obama & Cabal hope that like Florida 2000, the initial perception sticks (that Bush won), legitimacy be damned. Think about it; the super delegates only truly enter the picture, are only truly needed, if the COMMITTED delegates don’t settle the issue. It’s way too close for that to happen, and we all know that it will come down to SDs. But SDs only register their votes AT THE CONVENTION. And, they are FREE TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS. SDs have already changed from Clinton to Obama. They are free to migrate back and forth as they see fit. If Obama overreaches, pulls a Bush, the SDs have the right, have the DUTY, to punish him….IF THEY CARE ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, as they like to publicly proclaim.
    $$$

    A growing sense in Mr. Obama’s campaign is that the rules meeting will be irrelevant and that the Clinton campaign is promoting it as a psychological reason for her to continue the race. Aides said they doubted that superdelegates would be persuaded by Mrs. Clinton’s argument that she is ahead in the overall popular vote.

    $$$ They want the RULES to be IRRELEVANT, because if the DNC applies the rules to the letter, Obama is in for a floor fight. HIS BEST CHANCE IS TO USURP THE PROCESS. It started by plucking off one good Dem candidate after another, but there is this one stubborn bitch in the way. Yeah, and the 17 million people backing her up.
    $$$

    Expect August to be a dog fight. We ain’t backing down.

  513. Women Threaten Obama Boycott

    May 15, 2008 5:04 PM

    FROM GUEST-BLOGGER RICK KLEIN, OF ABC’S THE NOTE

    I’ve posted a few times in the last two days about female supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton who are angry — at the Democratic Party, at the Obama campaign, or at the general situation that sees their candidate facing tough times, in their view, in part because of sexism.

    Just talked to a 55-year-old Columbus, Ohio resident named Cynthia Ruccia, a spokesperson and organizer for a group calling itself “Clinton Supporters Count Too.” She said the group — numbering in the hundreds, and organized in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan — stands ready to boycott the Democratic Party if Clinton doesn’t win the nomination, and will work against superdelegates who support Obama over Clinton as a means of registering their displeasure with the party.

    “We have a plan to campaign against the Democratic nominee,” the group said in a press release Thursday. “We have the (wo)manpower and the money to make our threat real. And there are millions of supporters who will back us up in the swing states. If you don’t listen to our voice now, you will hear from us later.”

    Ruccia tells ABC News that she believes “millions” of women share her group’s views, though they have only begun to make contact with like-minded women. They’re disgusted, she said, that Democratic Party leaders haven’t more aggressively denounced sexist media comments and coverage in the campaign, and are angry at the drumbeat for Clinton to get out of the race.

    “We’re just at the boiling point,” Ruccia said. “Women will sit back and be quiet about things for a while, but we’ve had enough. Unless Hillary Clinton is our nominee, we are not going to support the nominee.”

    Part of their plan, she said, is a primary-night boycott of NBC and MSNBC during next Tuesday’s primaries in Kentucky and Oregon, particularly to protest comments made by Chris Matthews and David Shuster that her group feels were sexist.

    Ruccia said she doesn’t necessarily view the disqualifying of delegates from Florida and Michigan as sexist in itself, but added: “I do believe the people there will not forget that Sen. Obama stood in the way of having their vote counted.”

    This is one group, and not a very large one at this point. But in gauging the fallout among female voters of this divisive campaign, it’s also worth keeping in mind what’s going on in the wake of NARAL Pro-Choice America’s decision to endorse Obama on Wednesday.

    As documented by the Huffington Post’s Sam Stein, NARAL blogs are being overwhelmed, and many state affiliates are angry at the national group’s decision.

    Emily’s List is furious. And Martha Burke, former chair of the National Council of Women’s Organizations, tells Stein she is “disappointed”: “It feels like they are abandoning a known ally for a less committed candidate because they want to jump on a bandwagon. I think the pro-choice community should stick by a woman who has stuck by them.”

    It’s impossible to know at this point how big an issue this would be for Obama if he’s the nominee. But clearly he would have some major work to repair rifts inside the party — even if little of it is his fault, directly.

    I confess to being a man who has not always seen what his female friends and colleagues see as sexist in this race. What do you think? Has Sen. Clinton faced particular (unfair) challenges because of her gender? More than Sen. Obama has faced because of his race?

    — Rick Klein

  514. paddy,

    I just figured out that you’re starting the day as I’m finishing it. DUHHHHHH!

    I read through Pringle articles 2 and 3 about raising the curtain on Obama and I’m trying to condense it for forum. The story is so complex.

  515. here’s obama in So.Dak info……anyone going???

    Presidential candidate Barack Obama will be joined by former U.S. Sen. Tom Daschle at campaign appearances in Watertown and Sioux Falls, Obama’s campaign announced this morning.

    Former U.S. Sen. George McGovern, who ran for president in 1972, will join Obama at the Sioux Falls appearance, according to statement from the campaign.

    In Watertown, Obama is scheduled to speak at the Codington County Extension Complex. Doors open at 9 a.m. Friday, program begins at 11 a.m.

    In Sioux Falls, Obama is expected to speak at 7 p.m. in the Sioux Falls Arena. That event is free, and no tickets are required. The campaign recommends attendees RSVP at barackobama.com.

  516. basil, Truly. The site went down for me just seconds after I posted that comment. Maybe it is just coincidence, but maybe not too.

    E-thugs. Just like the Nazis. Supposed to be bringing in a “New Order” for the world.

    Thanks for doing the work on Pringle. We just have to bring this guy down before it is too late. There is a lot riding (more than just the nomination) on what we are doing.

  517. Puerto Ricans to Choose Clinton, Obama?
    By David Brody
    CBN News Reporter
    May 15, 2008

    CBNNews.com – SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — The music is melodious. The scenery is gorgeous. The island breeze is calm, but don’t let any of that fool you.
    Puerto Rico is election central.
    “I think a lot of people here are watching the news and talking about it.” Jose Alfaro said. Alfaro lives in Puerto Rico.
    “This primary is a political accident,” former Sen. Robert Prats said. Prats has endorsed Sen. Barack Obama. “This was supposed to be over on February 5.”
    And so, while it may not be Iowa in January, who ever thought we’d see this: canvassing the streets of old San Juan in the month of May?
    Or this: dedicated phone banks at Clinton headquarters in San Juan, election watch parties and yes, even “Puerto Rican Women for Hillary” groups.
    Both campaigns have roughly twenty to thirty staffers here. They’re all needed because while Puerto Rico may not be a state, it does have more delegates than 27 states. Yet even though Puerto Ricans have been considered United States citizens the last 90 years, they can only vote in a primary not the general election.
    “Why would I vote for somebody in a primary,” said one Puerto Rican “And then a General Election comes around and I can’t vote?”
    “It’s really important for us to vote because if we don’t vote we are just showing indifference and that we don’t care what happens to us,” Franciose Mugnano said.
    One difference between voters in Puerto Rico and those on the mainland is that voter turnout is extremely high — nearly 80 percent. Puerto Ricans take their politics very seriously. It’s like sport and so the Clinton campaign hopes to make a dent in the popular vote.
    “We expect that the people of Puerto Rico will go to the voting booth massively and will affect the popular vote in this election,” Prats said.
    Polls on the island show Clinton with a solid double digit lead because people here know her and supporters say she’s been there for them in the 90’s. Obama takes more explaining.
    The Obama campaign has made inroads though and discards talk of obama as the presumptive nominee. That was evident Wednesday with a personal visit by Michelle obama.
    “Once I sense that we start getting fat and lazy and sitting back and oh this thing is done that is when there are problems,” Temo Figueroa,Obama national field director said. “Here you will see people working as hard as they’ve ever worked.”
    The statehood issues and the economy are a big deal here. Both will receive major attention if Clinton stays in the race. Her supporters hope that’s the case.
    “If you’ve come this far without a virtual nominee well why not let Montanans, South Dakotans and Puerto Ricans have a chance to have their moment in the sun,” Sen. Kenneth McClintock, president of the Puerto Rico senate said.

  518. “Why does Michelle always look and sound so bitter and angry? She’s successful and wealthy… what’s there to be angry about?”

    Because she’s been taught this anti-white bullshit, probably since she’s young, and hasn’t enough sense not to by in.
    I’m continually amazed they’ve given her ANY role in his campaign, because you can just see her anger seething beneath the surface.

    So LJ reports the repubs have her on tape blasting white people, as if there wasn’t enough in the BO scandal repetroire already.
    Kudos to LJ, btw, for the good work he’s done throughout.
    A straight shooter and a vanishing breed.

    Some of this stuff (like Pastor Manning) needs to see sunlight soon!

    RGB,
    “Heads I Win, Tails you Lose”- Excellent analogy.
    “Grab the trophy off the table” – TWICE!

    My faith is in Ickes, called the nuclear weapon in these matters.
    Fully expect we’ll do the best we can.

  519. I just hope there will be some good news, Hillary needs it. Im just tired of Obama being fawned over so much!

  520. Obama Says Mississippi Election Proves He Can Withstand Republicans

    LOL!!! Isn’t that the biggest disillusionment of the century!!

  521. # CJ Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    me too it disappeared..this shit need s check out..this internet disappear crap..I think fbi is aware
    especially if they have it done to them at home
    &&&&&&&

    I know quite a bit about Computer Security. Almost certainly, this is a Denial of Service attack. The idea is that you choose a target, flood it with messages or data, and watch the site’s performance grow worse and worse until it is rendered inoperable. Hmmm, maybe this is what the 400 paid Obamabloggers are: underworld hackers.

    Another possibility is that hillaryis44 is underpowered, like someone running the web site off their PC at home. Wouldn’t that be just….precious?

  522. One last thing on BO & his ‘Sweetie’ comment;

    This is not the first time he’s shown arrogance, as so many have noted.

    But if you go back and check that Youtube of the squealing reporters on the plane yelling at a fellow reporters to sit so they could check BO out, it damn sure looks like he’s aware of it and actually posing for them.
    At least that’s the first impression I got.

    This from the guy who’s not only run the most obnoxious campaign in history, but has in the past publicly complimented himself saying things like, “And I’m a pretty damned good politician”, and (as he did in one debate) “that was a pretty good speech”

  523. The GOP has video of Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church!

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/will-barack-throw-mama-from-the-train/

  524. rjk1957, Yes, I am going to the Texas convention, I am a delegate for Hillary. I also read on TM that the Texas delegates will be awarded in Austin. So I am ready for a fight, so if anybody has anything I should do or say let me know. This will be my first one and I am primed and ready to go!

  525. From TL;

    “This Saturday, the Democratic Convention in Denver will be 100 days away.”

  526. GOOGLE THIS:
    Democratic National Committee
    Offers daily news updates, policy analysis, links, email updates and opportunities to participate in the political process.
    &&&&

    It looks like the DNC’s version of Hillary and her supporters to “participate in the political process” is to get ________’d up the ___.

    Yaaaaaaaayyyyyy….DEMOCRATS!

  527. hey there

    anyone try emailing the HRC supporters seen on o’reilly tonight? my gmail won’t go through. tried several times. hope their site hasn’t been hacked by bo-brown-shirts. hopefully it’s just my corn-puter.

    ( HCFPinpa@gmail.com )

  528. paddy,
    I’ve read plenty about Bilderberger, CFS.
    I’ve also read lots about Muslim women, sharia, FGM.. .

    Any new World order does NOT include women’s rights.

    Waffles cousin, Odinga, wants to reimpose sharia rule in Kenya. And Waffles supported his cousin’s candidacy, even interrupting his New Hampshire campaign to speak to him about the kenyan constitutional crisis.

  529. Blue Dem,

    That’s the POINT! Waffles is TEASING them! He’s totally aware of what he’s doing.

    BTW – i want to contact you but you’re not at hillbilly’s. Any way to get in touch?

  530. Basil 9, why is that women are just now hearing about his ties to Odingo and Shria Law. I think most people don’t know what Shria law is. I wish we had a film clip of that women in Afganistan being in the head by the soccer field in 2001 and ask women is it worth this risk voting for BOZO?

  531. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    The GOP has video of Michelle Obama railing against “whitey” at Jeremiah Wright’s church!
    &&&&

    While BO brings out my deepest resentments, MO elates me. I love that woman!! The gift that keeps giving.

  532. confloyd,

    I know of several documentaries, books, videos about sharia. When I’m more aler, tomorrow, I’ll dig some of them up and post them.

    BTW – did you check jim’s youtube?

  533. Blame Clyburn, Wilder, Oprah(who deserves much of the balme -(a total hypocrite who became a billionaire from woman but goes with her AA buddy and former church member), sadly, John Lewis, Richardson( a fat ass hole who seems kinda stupid), Kemmedy, Pelosi(so jealous of Hillary), Dean, and most of all Obama , a fake vision of hope who is really another Jimmy Carter, maybe even worse if possible.

  534. Confloyd
    I can send you a link with the names of TX SD’s who have not said who they are voting for yet. If you are registered at hillbilly’s sight I can send it that way.

  535. Here’s FDRjim’s youtube count our votes appaeal.

    Check it out. Simple but effective and poignant.

    /www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_PqPgHh7Vg

  536. I don’t think the comparison between Obambi and Jimmy Carter is accurate. Carter is on our collective chit list right now because the senility that often accompanies the ageing process has diminished his ability to see who the best candidate for America is. But his presidency failed more because of the same reasons that Woodrow Wilson’s did. Too naïve and too idealistic. Obama is not naive or idealistic in the least. He is driven by some evil power I feel arises from his weird childhood. Carter had a very stable upbringing and has not the life garbage Obama carries in his heart.

  537. I have read alot on these things as well

    # basil9 Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    paddy,
    I’ve read plenty about Bilderberger, CFS.
    I’ve also read lots about Muslim women, sharia, FGM.. .

    Any new World order does NOT include women’s rights.

    Waffles cousin, Odinga, wants to reimpose sharia rule in Kenya. And Waffles supported his cousin’s candidacy, even interrupting his New Hampshire campaign to speak to him about the kenyan constitutional crisis.

  538. djia Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
    Obama Says Mississippi Election Proves He Can Withstand Republicans

    Didn’t that Democrat respond with ads saying he was not connected with Obama? (And he had a lot of issues going for him there too.)

  539. Sadly, after years of sobriety, I have begun drinking again becuase I am so pissed off….I wouldn’t say it’s a problem yet, but Ineed something to get me out of this depression….I have never been so ashamed of my fellow democrats and question the very idea that I have supported this party my entire adult life.

  540. Well maybe this is the dirt Hillary has and is waiting for the right time to dump it, which would be now it seems, putting the information out means the msm will be searching high and low for that tape. It will surface soon.

  541. dija, alcina, 1950’s, basil

    makes me wonder whether they were bot-bombarded after publishing their email contact. damn.

  542. On Obama’s Kentucky Dem questionnaire I find this question and answer particularly interesting
    And I think MI and FL would too!!!

    Seems Obama would give ex felons they right to vote back but not Mi and FL!

    5. Kentucky is one of the two most difficult states for former felons to apply and receive their voting rights back. Over 186,000 Kentuckians have lost their right to vote because of our disenfranchisement laws, as have 5 million people across the nation. Many Kentuckians argue the right to vote should be restored when a person has paid his or her debt to society. Opponents argue that losing the right to vote is an appropriate punishment for people who commit felonies. What is your position on the issue of restoring voting rights for felons?
    I support restoration of voting rights for ex-offenders who have served their time and repaid their debt to society. I am a cosponsor of the Count Every Vote Act, and would sign that legislation into law as president.
    http://www.kentuckyelection.org/president/barack-obama

  543. Yes I am unless Hillbilly and hillbillylover each have a site. I am registered at hillbillylover’s site.
    here is the link

    politwix.com/kt/index.php

  544. Speaking of adjusting the popular vote totals to add estimates of what it might have been in the caucus states. Note that in WA there was both, and Obama did 16% better in the caucus. So any estimate of popular vote should move 16% from his column to hers.

    States with similar imbalances were Nebraska and Texas.

  545. JB,
    “I have never been so ashamed of my fellow democrats and question the very idea that I have supported this party my entire adult life.”

    Don’t question yourself. They’re not supposed to be doing this.
    It is not ‘democratic’ in any way, shape, or form.

    It’s a power grab, and an ugly one.

  546. # confloyd Says:
    May 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    I am on a site with djia, I think. Sorry I am new to this.
    ***********

    yep, if you want a place to chat and to be totally bot free and or go to denver too! 😀

    email me at luvcowboys63@yahoo.com I will send you a invitation to join us

  547. Djia, thax I am such a fruitcake when it comes to anything computer. I just barely learned how to work the internet a while back. Funny though, because I run a 2 million computer cat scan for a hospital. The two are nothing alike, although both uses windows! 🙂

  548. Okay, Hillbilly, here is my diary that seems to have been bumped from mydd. Does anyone see anything wrong or offensive in this?

    Some of us Hillary supporters believe that Obama has no chance against McCain. Some of his supporters think Obama does have a chance, counting on our support in November — so we need to show them how many votes they will be losing from our demographic, if they nominate Obama rather than Hillary.

    We’re being called ‘Revenge Bitches’ among other things, but we need — while there is still time — to dissuade the Democratic Party from nominating Obama and following him off the cliff.

    If pledging now to support McCain over Obama is what it take to stop that rush over the cliff, then I think it’s justified — since Obama has no chance in November anyway, with us or without us.

    Some people are already switching and donating to McCain, which is pre-mature. We need to spend our resources for Hillary till August, and certainly for Hillary if she gets the nomination! I don’t want to donate to McCain now only to find Hillary running against him after all.

    As one way to show that we’re serious before it’s too late, I suggest a “congingency donation” fund — a fund to collect donations now that will go to Hillary if she gets the nomination — and to McCain only if Obama gets the nomination.

    Granted this would tie up the money for a while — but it’s better than donating to McCain now, as some people are doing.

    Politico says one group of defectors will be on O’Reilly May 15. I haven’t been able to find the group’s website.

    An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media.

    Led by Boomer-aged women, the group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, is holding a press conference in Columbus at noon to release this statement.

    Organizers Cynthia Ruccia, 55, and Jamie Dixey, 57, both from the Columbus area, say they’re coordinating women, men, minorities, union members and others in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan – all important swing states next November [….]

  549. jbstonesfan, no need to go there. Why poison yourself in reaction to the spiritual poison coming from Obama and his media allies. Keeping clean is the best reply you can give. Ruining yourself will only give them the great satisfaction of knowing you have handed control of your life over to them. Evil always works this way. Don’t give them the power!