Barack Obama: Mission Accomplished

Jay Cost of RealClearPolitics’ HorseRaceBlog has a question:

So, here’s my question. What happens to “It’s Over” if Clinton pulls a 40-point victory in West Virginia on Tuesday, then follows it up a week later with a 30-point victory in Kentucky? If these states turn out in the same margins that states since March 4th have averaged, that would imply a net of about 290,000 votes for Clinton. That puts her within striking distance of a reasonable popular vote victory. “Over” will be over as we turn our attention to Puerto Rico.

There are good reasons not to take Puerto Rico lightly, even though the press has continued to do exactly that. I would note: (a) Puerto Ricans vote in large numbers (2 million in the last gubernatorial election); (b) Puerto Ricans have never had this important a role in United States presidential politics; (c) Puerto Rico’s politics is focused at least partially on how (if at all) to adjust its relationship with the United States; (d) Puerto Rico’s is an open primary, and the residents of the Commonwealth, who are United States citizens, do not see themselves as Republicans or Democrats.

The inference I draw is that Puerto Ricans could turn out in huge numbers. If they do, and they swing for Clinton in a sizeable way, the popular vote lead could swing, too. Add 290,000 votes from West Virginia and Kentucky to 250,000 votes from Puerto Rico, account for expected losses in Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota, and you get Clinton leading in many popular vote counts, some of which are really quite valid. If she has one of those leads when the final votes are counted on June 3rd, the race will go on to the convention.

[Jay also provides an updated toy to play with.]

Swing State Democrats Have An Answer:

The decision about who to support to be our Party’s nominee is not one that any of us should take lightly. We haven’t. But, after giving this important decision a great deal of thought, we are convinced that Hillary Clinton has the vision, skills and commitment to make the changes our country needs. As Democrats who have run and won in competitive Congressional districts and battleground states, we believe that Hillary is best positioned to successfully lead the Democratic ticket in districts and states like ours around the country.

As you know, Hillary has racked up victories in bellwether states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and now Indiana that are absolutely vital to winning the White House and maintaining our Congressional majority in the fall. Hillary has won the big battleground states by connecting with voters whose support we must have to win the general election. Her victories in Pennsylvania and Indiana were all the more impressive after being outspent by as much as two or three to one.

Pennsylvania was not just a victory for Hillary Clinton. It was also a wake- up call for superdelegates, forcing us to ask ourselves two essential questions: 1) Which candidate can carry the magic 270 electoral votes to win in the fall? 2) Which candidate is most likely to help our fellow Democrats in down-ballot races? We believe the answer to both of these questions is Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton has a request and a promise:

Today, in every way that I know how, I am expressing my personal determination to keep forging forward in this campaign.

After our come-from-behind victory in Indiana, there are just 28 days of voting left. But we’ve never campaigned with the stakes as high or the time as short as they will be over the next four weeks.

And with you by my side, I’m going to keep fighting for what I believe in until every voter has had his or her say.

From the very beginning, you and I have counted on one another, working through every challenge and seizing every opportunity. That’s not just the way our campaign works. That’s the way America works.

As we enter the final four weeks of this contest, let’s keep working our hearts out.

Contribute now to keep moving our campaign forward.

In six days, we have the chance to show our strength in West Virginia. If you’ll stand with me, it’s an opportunity I intend to make the most of.

There’s no question about it — we’ve got to make every one of these next 28 days count — starting with today.

Contribute now, and let’s keep winning together.

As we’ve told each other time and time again. There will be good days and not so good days in the course of this campaign. But there will never be a day that we can’t count on one another.

As we enter the final 28 days of voting, I know you’ll give it everything you’ve got. And you know I will do the same.

Thanks for being such a wonderful friend and ally,

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Barack Obama, as usual, has a Bushism:

Not long after the polls close in the May 20 Kentucky and Oregon primaries, Barack Obama plans to declare victory in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

And, until at least May 31 and perhaps longer, Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to dispute it.

It’s a train wreck waiting to happen, with one candidate claiming to be the nominee while the other vigorously denies it, all predicated on an argument over what exactly constitutes the finish line of the primary race.

The Obama campaign agrees with the Democratic National Committee, which pegs a winning majority at 2,025 pledged delegates and superdelegates–a figure that excludes the penalized Florida and Michigan delegations. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, insists the winner will need 2,209 to cinch the nomination–a tally that includes Florida and Michigan.

“We don’t accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan,” said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton’s two chief strategists. “It’s a phony number.”

Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC’s 2,025 number “every day,” as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan. [snip]

Obama will not reach the 2,025 magic number on May 20. Rather, on that date he is all but certain to hit a different threshold–1,627 pledged delegates, which would constitute a winning majority among the 3,253 total pledged delegates if Florida and Michigan are not included.

On May 20 we’re going to declare victory,” said an Obama senior advisor who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, adding that after those contests they will be “the ones with the most pledged delegates and the most popular votes.”

The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet in Washington on May 31, 2008 to try to resolve the mess Howard Dean and they have made. The meeting is supposed to be open to the public.

Howard Wolfson, of the Hillary Campaign, has the last word:

“You can declare mission accomplished but that doesn’t mean that the mission has actually been accomplished,” Wolfson said.

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546 thoughts on “Barack Obama: Mission Accomplished

  1. Hey guys, in a heated war of words about the SD’s elsewhere. My opponent is arguing that Dean has consistently said the MI and FL delegates should be counted. I’m in a time crunch. Anyone have any quotes for me to kick his ass with handy?

    Much thanks.

  2. please help defeated Nacy Pelosi

    Campaign Ad Compares Pelosi To Rubber Chicken
    Reporting
    Joe Vazquez SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) ― A new campaign ad running on several Bay Area television stations compare Speaker Nancy Pelosi to a rubber chicken. The ads are for Shirley Golub, a San Francisco real estate agent running against Pelosi in the June primary election.

    Golub said Pelosi has been too timid on President Bush, and should lead an impeachment charge. She said an organization called “Act Blue” is funding the ad campaign. As of Wednesday night, Speaker Pelosi has not seen the ad.

    Our video report has more.

  3. Okie, Dean has carefully shrouded his true intentions in his statements, saying things like , “it’ll get settled”,blah, blah.

    But look what he’s DONe, like stacking the credentials committee with loyalists to he & Brazilla.

    Admin,
    New post “accomplished”?

    U ok?

  4. ADMIN!

    Yes, you are the MOST accomplished ADMIN I’ve ever had the pleasure to be administered to by.

    KUDOS! 😀

  5. Just read Ted Kennedy’s comments in the previous thread.

    Yeah, Ted, insulting Hillary like that will really win over her supporters. Just keep at it, and you’ll guarantee Obama loses in November.

    BTW, in Hillary’s comments on white voters, she was only reiterating what was in an AP story.

  6. Awesome post admin. The first papragraph is very similar to what I hope will happen. Obama and his bots are going to now see their err and try to go to WV, but we’ve been there for weeks. If we win huge there, which looks quite possible, and then Kentucky, we will then put all of our guns on PR, and I will travel there.

  7. Great post Adm.

    Kennedy is a jerk, what can I say?

    Painting Hillary as a racist, is so over the top. Is anyone really buying that? The exit polls say it all. Jeez. Repeating the truth, is not racist.

    BTW, I lurk at TM, and there are obambots over there. What a bunch of arrogant, misinformed, and condescending group of people. Believe it or not, they are also on John McCain’s website (yes, I have been lurking). They are the same way over there. There are Hillary supporters, who are gravitating to his website, testing the waters, so to speak.

  8. carbynew Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    McCain Feingold bill vs….Obama’s bill, now what bill is that?

    _____________________________________________________________

    If Obama had a bill he would be a platypus.

  9. From The Hill;

    Clinton camp willing to go beyond June 3
    By Sam Youngman

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) senior advisers said Friday they are willing to push the nomination fight beyond the last contests on June 3 if neither candidate reaches the delegate requirement that includes Michigan and Florida.

    While most analysts have determined that Clinton’s chances are all but nil, Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson, two of Clinton’s senior advisers, told a group of reporters over breakfast that if frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) does not reach 2,209 delegates by June 3, the campaign will continue.

    The Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) have been operating on the terms that the number of delegates needed to reach the nomination is 2,025.

    “If neither of the candidates gets to 2,209, then the [nominating] process continues,” Wolfson said.

    The advisers began the breakfast, which was sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, by continuing to push the electability argument, complete with data that suggest Clinton would be stronger in swing districts both as a general election candidate and as a coattails candidate for House members in tough districts.

    However, the discussion moved quickly to the campaign’s resolve to continue to compete for the nomination even as Obama has signaled, following last Tuesday’s primaries, that he is moving into general election mode.

    Garin acknowledged from the beginning that the campaign is “not oblivious to the environment in which we’re operating,” but he and Wolfson made it clear that Clinton has no intention of getting out of the race until the issue of how to treat delegates from Florida and Michigan is resolved.

    “It is ridiculous to think that Florida and Michigan will not be resolved,” Garin said. “They’re going to be.”

    Wolfson acknowledged after the breakfast that the campaign will have to push the “moral argument” that 100 percent of Florida’s and Michigan’s delegates must be seated for there to be a nominee.

    But, for the first time, Wolfson said the campaign might be willing to cede the uncommitted voters in Michigan to Obama.

    Michigan and Florida were both stripped of their delegates by the DNC for moving their primaries ahead of the approved window.

    Clinton won both states despite the fact that neither candidate campaigned there and Obama’s name was not on the ballot in Michigan.

    If the contest is not resolved by June 3, as Wolfson and Garin strongly hinted they do not think it will be, then the campaign would take on the shape of a general election campaign, Wolfson said.

    Neither man would rule out taking the nomination fight to the convention.
    The show of resolve came as yet another superdelegate who had supported Clinton moved to Obama’s camp, this time in the form of a Congressional Black Caucus member, Rep. Donald Payne (D-N.J.).
    Wolfson said he does not “expect that there will be any others.”

    Clinton’s chances at winning the nomination took a significant – and some would argue fatal – blow after Tuesday’s primaries, where Clinton lost in a landslide to Obama in North Carolina and narrowly edged the Illinois senator in Indiana.

  10. Can you believe this from Ted Kennedy, via Ben smith at Politico–

    “Kennedy: No veep slot for Clinton

    It’s fun to think about, but there are so many obstacles, and Ted Kennedy isn’t buying, he said on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” which airs this weekend.

    “I don’t think it’s possible,” he told Hunt of the joint ticket, continuing that:

    Obama should choose a running mate who “is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people,” Kennedy said. “If we had real leadership — as we do with Barack Obama — in the No. 2 spot as well, it’d be enormously helpful.”

    Ouch.

  11. Almost missed this. WTF does that mean for the popular vote argument?

    “But, for the first time, Wolfson said the campaign might be willing to cede the uncommitted voters in Michigan to Obama.”

  12. Do we have any more supers for Hill today. Obama got 5! Keep in mind that there are many i mean many supers that have not declared!

  13. and the fact that it’s going to take on a “general election” tone .. these people aren’t stupid. Something is brewing

  14. I think BO cheated in both NC and IN. He needed to keep IN close and he needed a big win in NC. I do not believe the polls got it so wrong. I posted the link above about Wak and another county in NC where BO’s absentees were “accidently” counted twice. I would bet that happened in other parts of NC as well. I think in Gary and Indianapolis ballots were stuffed. That’s my theory and I am sticking with it.


  15. Now, this is a story all about how
    My life got flipped-turned upside down
    And I liked to take a minute
    Just sit right there
    I’ll tell you how I became the prince of a town called NOWHERE

    Hawaii and Indonesia born and raised
    Smokin’ on the playground was where I spent most of my days
    Chillin’ out maxin’ relaxin’ all cool
    And all shootin some b-ball outside of the school
    When a couple of guys
    Who were up to no good
    Startin making trouble in my neighborhood
    I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
    She said ‘You’re movin’ with your pastor and thugs in NOWHERE.

    I begged and pleaded with her day after day
    But she packed my suite case and send me on my way
    She gave me a kiss and then she gave me my ticket.
    I smoked a few joints and said, ‘I might as well kick it.’

    First class, yo this is bad
    Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass.
    Is this what the people of Nowhere Living like?
    Hmmmmm this might be alright.

    But wait I hear there’re prissy, wine all that
    Is Nowhere the type of place they send this cool cat?
    I do think so
    I’ll see when I get there
    I hope they’re prepared for the prince of NOWHERE

    Well, the plane landed and when I came out
    There was a dude who looked like a cop standing there with Resko out
    I ain’t trying to get arrested
    I just got here
    I sprang with the quickness like lightening, disappeared

    I whistled for a cab and when it came near
    The license plate said phoney and it had dice in the mirror
    If anything I can say this cab is rare
    But I thought ‘Now forget it’ – ‘Yo thugs in NoWHERE’

  16. I hope she takes it all the way to the floor. By August the hoopla surrounding his highness will be done, the repubs will have taken some body blows at him and the sd’s will have to acknowledge that he is unelectable ..

    it’s a long way to August baby!!

    Now, keep calling WV, Oregon, Ky and beyond.

  17. Oops. The rest didn’t post.

    I pulled up to the White House about 7 or 8
    And I yelled to the cabbie ‘Yo fools smell ya later’
    I looked at my kingdom
    I would NEVER be there
    To sit on my throne as the Prince of Somewhere

  18. Those remarks by Garin & Wolfson are significant.

    But…”WTF does that mean for the popular vote argument?”

    Why would they even hint at giving BO votes he didn’t earn?

    What are they after?

  19. It is significant that they are putting out the 2209 number.

    They will most likely be bringing out evidence that supports this number as well.

  20. (President) Clinton also brought superdelegates into his argument, a part of the primary process he usually avoids talking about while on the campaign trail.

    “She can win the popular vote, she is clearly the most electable according to all the national polls, and between now and August, the superdelegates are gonna have to think long and hard about how badly they want to win. If she is clearly the most electable with positions that people have finally focused on, the real difference I think is, I think she has got a real shot at this and let me just tell you something, all those folks who are telling you on television that she can’t win – they weren’t for her in the beginning,” said Clinton.

    During the course of Clinton’s hour long speech, many people wandered out but those that did stay listened intently to Clinton discuss his wife’s energy and education plans for America.

    As he wrapped up, the former President left the crowd with the idea that crowds like the one in Madison were best hope Hillary had at winning this nomination.

    “So, that’s my case. You think that is a good enough case for West Virginia? Is it a good enough case to get a lot of people to go vote? Will you do what you can to get more people to vote for between now and Tuesday? You just remember what I told ya. This whole deal is riding on how you perform. We are walking out here on a ledge. They have tried to push her off of it and she’s still walking for you, toward tomorrow. Don’t you let anybody discourage you. Don’t you let a single soul stay home on Tuesday,” Clinton told the crowd.

  21. Will the michigan and florida split and edwards delegates give obama enough to win? And how many supers are left, We need to continue to send letters they say that they count the hill letters and the Obama letters and go by that. At least some do!

  22. To see how giving him the MI uncommitteds looks with popular vote counts see the link in the post above where Jay left us “something to play with”. AWESOME tool. Basically, it shows that if we whoop his ass in Puerto Rico, we got this. They have MASSIVE turnouts there, 2 million for governor, let’s dominate there. Also, we gotta kill him in WV and KY, and then we got this. We will be ahead in popular votes by a lot, in most scenarios.

  23. Edwards is a sell out piece of crap! He claims that he is a speaker for middle and lower class blue collar people and Hillary as won those votes yet he supports a man that has only won the rich and young and race. What the hell is going on? I also can’t believe that Edwards wife supports hills plan for health care and she has won the lower class. Can we call Edwards office and speak to him. I am the middle lower class voter and man I am sooo tired of the rich not caring. I just saw a lexus with an Obama sticker on it and I almost puked!

  24. Hillary’s chances in Montana:

    We wrote an article with a lot of information on Governor Brian Schweitzer of Montana in April.
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=569

    Now there is this:
    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805090343

    But Schweitzer said Thursday the race should continue.

    “Ya know, it’s nearly tied,” Schweitzer said in an interview. “I think it’s been good for the Democratic Party. There’s millions of new voters, lots of excitement and energy. I don’t know, let the voting continue. Might as well let Montana finish the voting.”
    Schweitzer, a superdelegate, has been staunchly uncommitted and has refused to say whom he might support. But all the attention from the candidates has been good for Montana, he said.

    “It was exciting that the presidential candidates came to Montana, and they now have active presidential campaigns in Montana,” the governor said.

    Schweitzer said he will only announce his endorsement after he sees who Montanans choose in the June 3 primary. At stake in the primary are 16 pledged delegates.

  25. Again though will Michigan and Florida delegate split help him or not! Please respond!

  26. More proof Clinton is still in it to win.
    KC pastor heading to Kentucky to campaign for her

    Hillary Clinton’s campaign is dispatching the Rev. John Modest Miles to Kentucky at least twice to campaign for her before the commonwealth’s May 20 primary.
    Miles, pastor of Morning Star Baptist Church, said just because the pundits are demanding that Clinton drop out, he doesn’t see why she should.
    “I am not willing to give up on a miracle,” he said.
    If Florida and Michigan were given the chance to have revotes, then Clinton would pull into the lead in the popular vote, Miles maintains. He said the Democrats cannot disenfranchise the voters in two states. (both states have statewide elections in early August, which is when some have suggested revotes could be held before the convention).

    He said Clinton would be prepared to hit the ground running on day one if elected president.

    An Arkansas native, Miles has been friends with the Clintons for years. He spoke at Bill Clinton’s first inaugural.

    As in gubernatorial inauguration back in 1979.

    Miles has campaigned for Hillary Clinton this election year in Missouri, Arkansas, Iowa, Mississippi, Pennsylvania and Indiana.

  27. If we win big in PR, WV, KY he only leads popular vote if you exclude BOTH MI and FL, and we lead even if you exclude MI. So this looks really good.

  28. winhillary, the Edwards rumor is a rumor.

    Edwards has not endorsed Obama.

    Edwards has denied he endorsed Obama to USAToday.

  29. Why in the world would they cede actual MI votes to Bo (the uncommited ones) when winning the popular vote is the centerpiece of her strategy to claim victory?

    Was it to get a favorable outcome on that MI delegate deal that was rumoured earlier?

    And why go for delegates over the popular vote?

    Someone please splain this to me….

  30. If there is misquoting going on we should sue the networds for lying to the american people! I am tired of russert and the rest of thems opinions it does not matter but it’s bull crap! We need to make a major complaint to the highest rank in these networks and explain to them that after the election millions of people will no longer watch thier network period! I will never ever watch CNN after this election again, unless it is something catasrophic! CNN and MSNBC are doing what FOX did to elect Bush.

  31. # HillGuy Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    jbstonesfan is one of those people you find on other pro-Hillary blogs who cut and paste scathingly malicious articles from other sources, then pretend to be a Hillary supporter just to watch TRUE Hillary fans like us on this site complain over the content of the article. I DON’T BUY IT.

    jbstonesfan and his ilk are all over Taylor Marsh’s site as well. They bring the cancer to the site, then watch as we “freak out” over it.

    Funny how jbstonesfan managed to locate that Ted Kennedy article, but did not have the energy to post the new ARG WV poll.
    &&&&&&&&&&

    In the other thread, Hillguy’s commented (above) on jbstonesfan posting a Kennedy quote…

    I myself have posted stuff like: “You wouldn’t believe what _____ so and so said”. I’ve posted quotes from Dean, Clyburn, columnists. So has admin. So have many others. So that in itself is not quite fair. You take the idiotic crap they say, and deconstruct what is factually wrong or logically flawed. Set ’em up, shoot ’em down. Just like Annie Oakley. :^)

    One other thing that others had mentioned was jb’s “negativity” style, that jb is: nervous, disquited, disconcerted… Maybe they can work on their “style”. Focused anger is good. Spewing venomous rage does not represent the site well (as there have been the occasional “racially insensitive remark”).

    Overall, I think we conduct ourselves quite nicely, thank you. We represent our candidate in the blogosphere. I think:

    a) there is room for dissenion (I think HRC should do X or Y) and for different “styles” of commentary.

    b) possitivity is key when your team is in the huddle, deciding on the next play. No sense saying, “The other team looks mean and strong and nasty”.

    Focused anger; good.

    Toodles.

  32. “he was statting the obvious… like a little bitch trying to play both sides of the fence.”

  33. Ok I am just sooo worried that when they seat the delegates for michigan and Florida obama will be able to spill over and win the election. I believe though that if they seat there will be more to over all beat.

  34. Montana gov Schweitzer doesn’t like Obama.

    For him to say it is “virtually tied” is significant I think.

  35. Big Media is pushing rumors to hurt Hillary. Let’s not help.

    Here is the Edwards rumor quashing link:

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/05/edwards-i-didnt.html

    Edwards, who has ducked questions about endorsing either of his former rivals for president, sparked speculation this morning that his secret choice is Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. On MSNBC, he allowed that he would endorse the person he cast his ballot for in the North Carolina primary. And he said something that to some ears sounded like this: “I just voted for him on Tuesday, so …”

    Him?

    “I said I voted for ’em,’ ” Edwards said in an interview shortly afterwards with USA TODAY. “I’m a Southerner. … It wasn’t meant to be male or female.”

  36. Not sure how this’ll read cause of the tabs. From RCP;

    Popular Vote Count

    State Date Obama Clinton Spread
    Popular Vote Total 15,926,550 49.6% 15,216,764 47.3% Obama +709,786 +2.3%

    Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 16,260,634 49.6% 15,440,626 47.1% Obama +820,008 +2.5%

    Popular Vote (w/FL) 16,502,764 48.7% 16,087,750 47.5% Obama +415,014 +1.2%

    Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 16,836,848 48.8% 16,311,612 47.2% Obama +525,236 +1.6%

    Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**16,502,764 47.9% 16,416,059 47.6% Obama +86,705 +0.25%

    Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*16,836,848 47.9% 16,639,921 47.4% Obama +196,927 +0.56%

  37. Linfar,
    What are you in love with Rahm Emanuel or something?

    Cause I’m not, certainly not today.

    Don’t bother me.

  38. Rahm Emanuel is the only member of Congress from IL who has not endorsed Obama. He is also in the leadership, which is supposed I believe not to take sides. He made a statement at a forum which is being misused by the media.

    Cavuto’s takedown of that ‘bot is a classic.

  39. “Between now and August, the superdelegates are gonna have to think long and hard about how badly they want to win.”

    Bingo. Big Dog cuts to the chase once again.

  40. Cavuto set the bot straight. She is spouting the “typical” obama talking points memo.

  41. What a difference an on-air referee actually doing there job makes against an out-of-their-mind Obamabot, eh Admin?

    Note the threatening narrative being pushed here and elsewhere…

    From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
    National Journal’s Linda Douglass sat for an interview with undeclared South Carolina Rep. James Clyburn. He says a couple of interesting things: (a) If Clinton believes Obama will do poorly with white voters in November, based on how he has done in the primaries, does that mean she believes she will only get 8% of the black vote in November, based on how she’s doing now?; And (b) He makes it very clear that any perceived backroom deal had better not take the nomination away from Obama, because that would devastate young people and blacks.

  42. unless he gets the necessary 2209 he cannot be considered teh nominee

    She needs surrogates to start pushing this hard .. bring required paperwork to the shows with them.

    I think it’s time for the bitter people remarks to become public again .. peoples memories are too short with everything go on right now

  43. yep .. big dawg puts it back squarely in the sd’s. Pick a winner for the GE, you have from now till August .. we won’t push. One day is a million in politics .. anything can happen and there are still lots of skeletons rattling in his closet.

  44. Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*16,836,848 47.9% 16,639,921 47.4% Obama +196,927 +0.56%

    Does this include the 15k from NC that were counted twice?

  45. so MJ, wanna bet a lot of BO counties in NC had a lot of extra votes.

    Sorry been away for a few days, i got really depressed and angry after Tuesday night and i needed a break but i’m recharged now.

  46. If Clinton believes Obama will do poorly with white voters in November, based on how he has done in the primaries, does that mean she believes she will only get 8% of the black vote in November, based on how she’s doing now?

    The blue-collar white voters are not strong Dems the way AA voters are. They were called Reagan Democrats for a reason.

  47. would anyone be surprised if this happened in Lake county or indeed Cook county with that massive run up margin. I would’nt.

  48. haha, I can’t believe Jimmy Carter has the nerve to say, liars should not be President. Better tell that to your waffler friend Jimbo.

  49. “He makes it very clear that any perceived backroom deal had better not take the nomination away from Obama, because that would devastate young people and blacks.”

    While Hillary’s voters are just bitter grannies, and so irrelevant.

  50. Now this hilarious for West Virginia.

    The ARG WV poll.

    13% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 45% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

  51. Senate Majority Leader Truman Chafin endorsed Hillary today .. Mingo County, WV

    This will really help her folks, this will drive the GOTV. This is what she needed.

    Truman gave me my first job too!! A lowly clerk in his struggling law firm .. 1974.

  52. Obama lost the G.E and he doesn’t even know it. Hillary has been running a General Election campaign since the begining while Obama has been running a primary campaign…because of Obambi WEAKNESS his Team and supporters used the race card to shut down any and all legitimate debate on the democratic side.

    It didn’t work because of Obambi’s BIG MOUTH AND EGO…they’re so arrogant in their belief that they have won the White House that Time magazine listed Obambi the winner just like GWB.

    The AAs do not dominate in the G.E….sorry but it’s TRUE and if you look at the demographics the 3 biggest states do not rely on the AA votes to win those states…those votes are in Hillary Clinton corner and are SWING VOTERS who will vote base on the person and their resume.

    That’s why OBAMA IS TOAST!!!

  53. well said Carby new and California, thats another if Hillary is not in the GE, you can bet those Hispanics will go to McCain, just as they will in Florida and New York.

    Thats the other big elephant in the room.

  54. http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080509/NEWS/805090308/1003/BUSINESS

    comment section below…..so go leave your messages!! 😀

    Sen. Hillary Clinton might need a lot of faith to envision her presidential campaign overtaking Sen. Barack Obama’s at this late date, but for her ardent supporters at the Sioux Falls Regional Airport on Thursday, such uncompromising fidelity still can produce miracles.

    Pat Huber and Bridgette Schriver of Pipestone, Minn., displayed their Clinton loyalty at 10:30 a.m. when they lined up outside a hangar door that would not open for two hours. There was only green lawn and a concrete wall. Shortly after noon, it started to drizzle.

    Once inside, they held firm for another 21/4 hours, leaning against the railing surrounding a stage like bar patrons putting in a full shift from happy hour to close.
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    When Clinton finally took that stage, they had a front-row vantage for her 40-minute address, and when she concluded “God bless you, and God bless America,” they stood rooted.

    “We’re in it to win it. Girls rule,” Huber said.

    Clinton began working the crowd. Dennis Solberg, a Watertown City Council member, took Anita Faehn’s copy of Clinton’s “Living History” and wormed his way from behind Schriver and Huber and through the throng. Faehn shrieked “Oh my God!” when he returned with a fresh, bold autograph on her book.

    But Huber and Schriver dug in and got their reward.

    Not only did Clinton autograph Schriver’s bumper sticker and Huber’s brown leather purse, the senator took photos with the pair.

    “Are you kiddin’ me?” Huber cried.

    Such moments occurred throughout the rally. Annie Sauers, 100, of Larchwood, Iowa, first cast a presidential ballot for Franklin D. Roosevelt. She sat in a wheelchair mere feet from the stage, a chair acquired only for the day, granddaughter Terrie Malsom pointed out, because her grandmother still lives by herself and walks quite well.

    “It feels good to be this close to hopefully the next president,” Sauers said.

    Malsom is a constituent of state Sen. Sandy Jerstad, a Sioux Falls Democrat. Jerstad was able to get Sauers and Malsom the good seats. As for her own presence at the rally, Jerstad, sporting a Clinton sticker acknowledged “I did sign on to support Barack Obama, but truth be known, I like Hillary as well.”

    Such expansive politics was on display outside the rally, too. Barb Himmel-Roberts made her way down the lengthy line waiting to get in. She held a “Hillary” placard in one hand and a clipboard with petitions for her independent candidacy for the Minnehaha County Commission in the other.

    Democracy was in the air, Himmel-Roberts said.

    “I tell people if I was a Republican or Democrat, I’d need 50 signatures, but because I’m an independent, I need 700,” she said. “Suddenly everybody wants to sign.”

    Abigail Lea brought her children, Zachary and Zoey Grove, 3 and 2 respectively, and her nephew, Logan Carter, 2, to the Clinton rally.

    “This is something I always wanted, to go to a presidential campaign,” she said, and she was trying to give the children a sense of what they were going to see.

    “My oldest keeps talking about Hillary, but I don’t know if he understands it’s not his aunt. She’s Hillary, too,” Lea said.

    Teresa Jahn brought her South Dakota State University nursing students from their clinical rotation at Avera McKennan Hospital.

    “I said they had to get involved in the political process,” she said. “We’re global thinkers.”

    And distinctive in their blue scrubs.

    “I support strong women,” said one of the students, Louise Zeile of Sioux Falls.

    But Zeile’s political awareness only went so far. She didn’t know that former Sen. George McGovern, a Clinton supporter, announced the day before the rally he was switching to Obama. “I had finals yesterday. I’m out of the loop,” Zeile said.

    McGovern’s defection raised plenty of eyebrows, though. Sharon Plucker of Sioux Falls characterized the response of many Clinton faithful. “We’re pretty P.O.’d,” she said. “We’re wondering if loyalty means anything.”

    It was a long day for rallygoers – Clinton was almost an hour late – and about 100 of the 1,000 began drifting out of the hangar before she finished.

    “I don’t want to leave,” Jennifer Cooper said. “But I don’t want to be late for work. I’ll get in trouble.”

    For at least two who came early and stayed late, though, the experience met their expectations.

    “Yes it did,” Schriver said. Huber looked up from the image on her camera of herself, her friends and Clinton.

    “Yeah, absolutely,” she agreed.

  55. 1,000 waited around for hours to hear her! Uplifting article…thanks for sharing so much

  56. Friday, May 9, 2008
    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED: OBAMA STYLE
    http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2008/…ama-style.html

    Obama’s campaign has let it be known that they are planning on declaring victory on May 20th. What is so stupefying about this is that in one political decision Obama is proving why he is inadequate and unsuitable as both a nominee for President and for a the office itself. As if his opponents needed any more ammunition it is one more thing that confirms people’s worst instincts about him and shows he is a disaster waiting to happen for the Democratic party as a presidential nominee.

    Yesterday The Obama Bus Company (you dont ride in it, you get thrown under it) rolled into Washington, and along with Alice Palmer,the first person Obama threw under the bus to further his political ambitions in Chicago in 1995) the 3 million voters of Florida and Michgian, Jeremiah Wright, and his own grandmother, Obama threw the entire Democratic Party and 215 super delegates under the bus.

    But that sound you hear might be the bus backfiring.

    You would think Obama might have learned something from the fiasco that has been the Bush Presidency but obviously not. Obama has proved going back to his days in Chicago that he is the kind of politician that puts his own ambitions ahead of everything else,( see the Chicago Tribune story about the bus’ first hit and run victim). But now, like many politicians who are blinded by their own ambitions, many who are now contributing to society by making license plates, he may have gone too far.

    First the hypocrisy is stupefying. He and his campaign has tried to justify clamping their hands over the mouths of 3 million voters in Florida and Michigan by screaming “the rules are the rules”. That argument is one I took apart a week ago here, but its the one he makes. So the candidate who claims the rules are the rules is prepared to throw the Democratic Party, the DNC, the Democratic Rules Committee and every delegate and Democratic voter who didnt vote for him ( roughly half the Democratic party), not to mention all the uncommitted super delegates, under the bus ( its getting crowded under there isnt it?) by declaring victory before he has the 2025 delegates the rules says he needs. I dont think anyone knew that when Barack Obama said he was rejecting the politics of the past he was talking about elections.

    It is the kind of arrogance and stupidity that is reminiscent of Bush’s Mission Accomplished.But its a good example of how Obama and his ambitions are what drives him and takes precedence over everything else. Including anything resembling good judgement. And this time it might be a matter of live by the sword, die by the sword.

    Because of this proposed May 20th announcement, Obama now runs a very big and very real risk of alienating super delegates who have not cast their votes and who are going to resent Obama (justifiably) for essentially trying to negate their vote, telling them they simply dont matter anymore. Taking a politician’s vote for granted, ( or any voter’s vote for that matter) is the fastest way for a politician on the rise to end up feeling as if “Like A Rolling Stone” was written about him.

    Secondly, the short sighted arrogance of this is obviously blinding Obama to the reality that in arrogantly trying to preempt the process with this stunt, it will guarantee both he and the Democrats a landslide loss should super delegates decide to uphold the tradition of how Democrats lose elections and give him the nomination, especially if he is not the choice of the will of the people when you include Florida and Michigan.

    Pulling this stunt before all the votes are counted, before all the delegates are counted and before the Florida and Michigan mess is resolved and before the two primaries where Clinton stands to landslide Obama on May 20th, will absolutely guarantee that 90% of Clinton voters and supporters, a little more than half the Democratic Party, will not vote for Obama in the general election. Their anger and resentment at his unilateral attempt to short circuit the process and bully himself into the nomination, already at the boiling point over his tactics and dishonesty, will guarantee that he will lose 90% of her supporters.If there was ever a political guarantee that is it. And there is not a super delegate in the party with even a shred of political common sense that doesn’t know it.

    Obama’s stunt has now, if he ever became the nominee, guarantees that a McCain/Obama contest will make Reagan/Mondale look like a squeaker. Half the support of Democratic voters will be gone and given the fact that the bulk of his primary support has come in southern states the Democrats havent carried in 40 years because of his getting 90% of the African American vote and his other major source of support has been in mid west caucus states where 11,000 people who have the time and inclination to show up haggle for 3 hours resulting in a primary win in states the Democrats havent won in 40 years, the Democrats are looking at an electoral disaster.

    And one other factor that Obama has so shortsightedly dismissed. Because of the anger and resentment fostered by this stunt, Obama would guarantee that he would not get a dime in contributions from Clinton voters or supporters for the general election. As it is now the DNC is looking at losing donations from Clinton supporters threatening to cut them off if Florida and Michigan arent seated. Obama has been successful raising money for the primary campaign but it will not be enough for a general election. There are some rumors that a lot of his money has come from Republicans who have in stealth fashion made the contributions in small amounts through Republicans around the country who want Obama as the nominee against McCain. But whether that is true or not, with half the Democratic party essentially boycotting him, he will have an impossible time raising enough money for the general election since he needs the support of the entire Democratic Party and he wont get it.

    What the Democratic Party,the super delegates and the DNC have to look at now is whether they will heed the adage that those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Because if Barrack Obama gets the Democratic nomination, especially if Clinton ends the primary season winning the popular vote (including the Florida and Michigan totals) and is able to claim that she represents the true will of the people, and she either makes the delegate count close (statistically insignificant) or wins it outright including Florida and Michigan, Barack Obama’s Mission Accomplished declaration on May 20th, if ratified by super delegates, is going to turn the Democratic Party into Baghdad.

    Posted by Marc Rubin

  57. The platypus is a remarkable animal. They lay eggs.

    Maybe BO is more like them than we know. Maybe he will lay an egg, too.

  58. By the way, the 3 biggest states are California 54, Texas 33, Florida 25, also lets throw in Indiana, Nevada, Utah, Nebraska, Georgia, Alabama and Missouri all have Republican Governors who will be working very hard to see their man will the G.E.

    The few counties Obama won will not help him against the republicans in that state, especially since Hillary dominated in the rural and heavily Latino and Working class area that Donna Brazile, Howard Dean and other says their vote doesn’t matter in the New Democratic Party.

    Team Obama, supporters and MSM trying to suppress these voters and force Hillary Clinton out to protect “precious” from harm fail to recognize this truth…it’s the voters that matter first.

    Hillary want to be the president of all the people while Obama want supporters to bow down to him. Well this is not CUBA or KENYA this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and WE DON’T Quit when we have the most votes.

    So Obama has the most delegates because the DNC gave AAs “most favorite nation” status so little staes that go Republican in November has more sway over Big States that Dems need in November to win.

    Obama is more electable then Hillary, Yea riiight!

  59. basil9 Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
    carbynew,

    I agree.

    How’s your hubby?
    *****************************************************
    My husband has terminal cancer that was in remission. Everyday is a blessing and I’m very thankful for every sunrise.

  60. Carby,

    I am so sorry to hear that. My prayers are with you both. He’s a lucky man to have such a strong passionate caring person by his side.

    😥

  61. Ted Kennedy has become a joke, a caricature of what the Repubs have always painted him ask.

    Let’s ask him about how the family of the lady that drowned on his watch feels when he just walked away and didn’t report it.

    Yep, that’s the kind of moral leadership that we all need. /snark

    I cannot believe these Obama supporters and when will a prominent women get on tv to call them out.

    Kenndy went to the convention more than 750 delegates down adn Hill is only about 140 down not counting Fl and MI.

    I think that they want to shut this down because she will get lots of votes in KY and WV and it makes it even closer.

  62. Calling all Phone Banking experts!!!!!!

    is there an optimal time to place calls?

    I just dialed 12 numbers and didn’t get a single live person.

    5 were voicemails, 6 were disconnected numbers and one was a fax!

    Any advice?

  63. “Clinton supporters send last-ditch Obama attack emails to SD’s.”

    Everyone has to read this. It was reported at Huffington Post and it is a TM smear.

    /www.taylormarsh.com/

  64. texan4hillary,

    Rush and Hannity were hitting those points today. Now I know where they got their talking points.

  65. moonpluto,

    Yes, the Hispanic voting block is a HUGE elephant in the room.

    I know some people don’t like street reality but I worked in school districts with predominantly AA and Hispanic populations and saw first hand the animosity between the groups. I also had numerous discussions with both AA and Latino colleagues because I couldn’t understand the origins of the rift and I hoped someone could explain it to me. I won’t go into detail here about the conflict but it would be an understatement to say there is no love lost between the two groups.

  66. basil, the AA’s and latino’s fight ranges from a few things that i’ve noticed over the years.

    1 : AA’s feel that latino’s are moving in in jobs and areas that were traditionally theirs.

    2 : The culture is soooo vastly different.

    3 : Latino’s often feel AA’s don’t have empathy with their struggle to integrate in to american society.

    4 : In large urban areas, the turf war is huge between black and latino.

  67. texan4hillary,
    WOW! Amazing article! Especially these 2 passages.
    “Yesterday The Obama Bus Company (you dont ride in it, you get thrown under it) rolled into Washington, and along with Alice Palmer,the first person Obama threw under the bus to further his political ambitions in Chicago in 1995) the 3 million voters of Florida and Michgian, Jeremiah Wright, and his own grandmother, Obama threw the entire Democratic Party and 215 super delegates under the bus.
    But that sound you hear might be the bus backfiring.” AND
    “Pulling this stunt before all the votes are counted, before all the delegates are counted and before the Florida and Michigan mess is resolved and before the two primaries where Clinton stands to landslide Obama on May 20th, will absolutely guarantee that 90% of Clinton voters and supporters, a little more than half the Democratic Party, will not vote for Obama in the general election. Their anger and resentment at his unilateral attempt to short circuit the process and bully himself into the nomination, already at the boiling point over his tactics and dishonesty, will guarantee that he will lose 90% of her supporters.If there was ever a political guarantee that is it. And there is not a super delegate in the party with even a shred of political common sense that doesn’t know it.

  68. moonpluto,

    You’re exactly right, especially #1 and 4.
    After working in such a district for 7 years any delusions/illusions about everyone getting along and becoming one big happy family disappeared for good. And believe me the animosity was also directed at as typical white folk, too.

    The best that can be hope for is mutual respect, but the way Waffles has run his campaign has almost certainly made that impossible. It will take HRC to, as ABM says, (paraphrasing) lead this country. If you have time I’d recommend you r3ead through texan4hillary’s great post at
    4:44.

  69. Okie,

    What I’ve mostly seen is Dean saying the FL/MI delegations should be ‘seated’, which probably means ‘after it’s too late to count.’ Alternatively he might be going ‘counted’ meaning ‘after their count has been changed to 50-50 or something.

    I’ve never seen him say what we need: counted now, AS voted.

    He and Obama have both been trying to conflate the real thing with ‘seated’ meaning ‘at the convemtion.’

    Dean and Brazile seem to be softening a little, or trying to appear to.

  70. I have a feeling that the way waffles has used race against Hillary has damaged him enormously in the hispanic community. I have spoke to a lot and many feel the AA’s SD’s, Donna Brazille and bambi have flipped the latino’s a bird.

    I spoke to one today who said, well if the democratic party doesnt think it needs us, we don’t feel like we need them.

  71. Obama reminds me of Gollum in Lord of the Rings, obsessed with his “precious” nomination to the point that he can’t even realize he hasn’t even won yet!

  72. So much for Obama’s so-called attempt to “unite” the Democratic party. Way to be a real “uniter”, Obama — by railroading all the SDs and claiming victory prematurely? Whatever, dude.

  73. Berkeley-

    No, he is the eye of Mordor. Just look at the O logo he uses and the hypnotic effect it has on the Orcs that follow him.
    👿

  74. personally i’d love to grab him by those ears and swing him round like a shot put for what he’s done.

  75. Team Obambi

    Is going to blame everything on Hillary so we need to be strong and ignore the propaganda coming from Obama’s supporters.

    Obama has a slim lead over Hillary…that’s it they both need superdelegates to vote for them at the convention!!

    Hillary is a sitting Senator with a remarkable record and for so snot nose surrogate to threaten Hillary’s legacy in the party is just amazing to me. Ted Kennedy is a old drunken bum that has backstabbed his own constituents in his state. Since I don’t live in his state I would not have the pleasure of not voting for him…because that would give me great pleasure.

    I use to feel sorry for his lame ass but I see the wisdom of his critics in and out of politics.

  76. Obama fires Middle East adviser over talks with Hamas

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/one-degree-of-separation-obama-fires.html

  77. Thanks for the link B Merryfield — wow. Yet more proof that Obama hasn’t got a clue when it comes to foreign policy.

  78. did sharpton say ,,,,for hillary to drop out …..today

    well well

    here is what he should be dealing with first before opening his hole from behind
    http://www.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_re_us/sharpton_s_money

    But he still carries baggage from his early days as a fire-breathing agitator: Government records obtained by The Associated Press indicate that Sharpton and his business entities owe nearly $1.5 million in overdue taxes and associated penalties.

  79. he still carries baggage from his early days as a fire-breathing agitator: Government records obtained by The Associated Press indicate that Sharpton and his business entities owe nearly $1.5 million in overdue taxes and associated penalties.

    Now the U.S. attorney is investigating his nonprofit group, a probe that an undeterred Sharpton brushes off as the kind of annoyance that civil rights figures have come to expect from the government.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_re_us/sharpton_s_money

  80. (May 9, 2008): “Former WV Governor Endorses Hillary Clinton”

    ——————————————————————————–

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/r…/view/?id=7596

    Quote:

    (Charleston, WV) – Former West Virginia Governor Hulett Smith announced his endorsement of Hillary Clinton for President today, citing the Senator’s commitment to fiscal responsibility, veterans, and the economy.

    “Hillary Clinton is a proven and tested leader who is ready to lead on day one. We need a president with the strength and experience to create good paying jobs here at home, and make small town economies a priority again. Hillary’s understanding of the challenges facing working families makes her the right choice for West Virginia,” said Governor Smith.

  81. (May 9, 2008): “NC – Mecklenburg, Wake Counties find vote flawsSome” (Fox News 14) – Some Ballots Counted Twice for Obama NC

    ——————————————————————————–

    *******wonder how many other states did this esp with the caucus states…nobody has checked them out yet!

    At least 1 county in NC gave BO 15,000 extra votes; Ballots Counted Twice for Obama

    Quote:

    “MECKLENBURG & WAKE COUNTIES — Vote tallies are changing in the state’s two largest counties, after certain ballots were counted twice in Mecklenburg and Wake counties.

    The mistake didn’t change the outcome of any elections, but it is a cause for concern to election directors.

    For example, when Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama declared victory Tuesday night in North Carolina’s primary, he was given approximately 15,000 votes more than he should have been.

    That’s 1 percent of all ballots cast.

    In Wake County, early and absentee ballots were counted as part of the individual voters precincts and again as a whole.

    “So in essence, those voters were recorded double,” said Cherie Poucher of the Wake Co. Board of Elections. It was around 37,000 votes.

    In Mecklenburg County, only absentee ballots – 2,400 in all – were doubled. “It doesn’t change any of the results,” said Michael Dickerson of the Mecklenburg Co. Board of Elections. “All the winners are still the winners.”

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=91132#post91132

  82. Ladies and Gentlemen, I did the one thing I didn’t think I would ever do. Many of you can relate, perhaps. I don’t like explicit display of my religion (of which I have none) or my politics — I feel like I may be stepping on someone else’s sensibilities if I do. But no longer — the current situation requires me to shout from the mountain top my allegiance and support for Senator Clinton. So I put the Hillary sticker on my car and put up the weathered yard sign on a window facing the street.

    Hopefully the cop who hassled Sugar won’t come after me — I live in the same county.

  83. Interesting that this double counting of ballots happened in the counties with high aa populations.

  84. B Merryfield Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Obama fires Middle East adviser over talks with Hamas
    —————-

    He should strongly denounce Carter then and reject his endorsement.

  85. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama isn’t likely to pick rival Hillary Clinton as a running mate, according to one of his most prominent supporters. “I don’t think it’s possible,” Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” airing this weekend.

    Kennedy, 76, without naming names, said Obama should pick someone who “is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people. If we had real leadership — as we do with Barack Obama — in the No. 2 spot as well, it’d be enormously helpful,” Kennedy said.

    What a terrible terrible thing to say. The Obama camp should disavow it. Unless he said it at their behest. In which case, we are gonna lose in November.

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/17419/80068

  86. Paula Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
    If Clinton believes Obama will do poorly with white voters in November, based on how he has done in the primaries, does that mean she believes she will only get 8% of the black vote in November, based on how she’s doing now?
    The blue-collar white voters are not strong Dems the way AA voters are. They were called Reagan Democrats for a reason.

    I’m sure you’re right, but just for clarity, has anyone calculated the worst case? What would be our electoral votes if, say, 90% of the AA’s either stayed home or voted for McCain in Nov?

    Someone here was saying that the AA states that have been giving high delegates, have not elected Blacks to state offices; the GOP always prevails there in Nov.

  87. sister went to see BillC in WV today. She said about 2000 people came and that she really admired him. He went through all of Hills stump speech and then he told them to not believe that this is over and that they can make a difference on Tuesday .. she said he said that no matter who you vote for GO VOTE.

    What a difference .. Bill C telling people to vote regardless of who they choose and bambi wanting to overlook the voters in WV and Ky

    She did say that Bill was very handsome, she got to shake his hand, he was so down to earth. He also stopped at a local middle school by request of the students (how sweet)

    What a man. Go Bill

    She will vote Hillary.

    Also, she said local news says bambi will be in williamson on monday .. per local news.

    Basil .. I have called every time of the day with really not set time better results.

    Friday nights for me are never good results …

    Keep calling WV and Oregon

  88. Obama Open to Help Clinton With Her Campaign Debt
    May 09, 2008 6:10 PM

    While taking care to say the very question is premature, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, Friday indicated an openness to helping Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, with her millions in campaign debt.

    Clinton’s campaign debt is thought to be upwards of $10 million — not including the $11.425 million she loaned her campaign from her personal funds. They are numbers perhaps not as immediately troubling as the 170 delegates by which she trails Obama in their race to the magic 2,025 delegate number to clinch the nomination — but they are troubling numbers for her nonetheless.

    Visiting “Luis’s Taqueria” in Woodburn, Oregon with his brother in law, Craig Robinson — the new basketball coach at Oregon State University — Obama helped himself to some tacos and signaled to Clinton that should she concede the nomination he would help her with the debt.

    “That’s not a conversation that we’ve had because our working assumption right now is we’re still in the middle of a race,” he said when asked about her debt.

    But when asked again, ABC News’ Sunlen Miller reports, Obama said, “historically after a campaign is done and you want to unify the party — particularly when you’ve had a strong opponent — you want to make sure you’re putting that opponent in a strong position so that they can work to win an election in November.”

    Obama said, “obviously I’d want to have a broad range discussion with Sen. Clinton about how I could make her feel good about the process and have her on the team moving forward — but as I said its premature right now, she’s still actively running and we’ve still got business to do here in Oregon and other states.”
    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/obama-open-to-h.html
    *****************************************************
    So now we need help from Obama to pay Hillary’s debt. What a piece of arrogant shit!

    Get on the phone get the word out that Hillary is still in it to win it and the peope who are calling for her to quit are Obama’s supporters.

  89. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/163115/6957

    What do Mike Dukakis and John Kerry have in common? They were from Massachusetts and they had images as being soft. It is ironic that the one leading Democratic Presidential candidate who has overcome the “mommy” party problem is a woman — Hillary Clinton. Susan Faludi explains:

    [W]hite men are warming to Hillary Clinton — at least enough to vote for her. It’s no small shift. These men have historically been her fiercest antagonists. Their conversion may point less to a new kind of male voter than to a new kind of female vote-getter.

  90. “He makes it very clear that any perceived backroom deal had better not take the nomination away from Obama, because that would devastate young people and blacks.”

    So when and how SHOULD they get disappointed? When HIllary wins the nomination? Or if we give it to Obama, when Obama loses in November? Or if by any chance Obama managed to get elected, when he performs like Deval Patrick (and like Pelosi)?

    Let’s disappoint them now so Obama doesn’t take the party and the country down with him.

  91. dot: Bill is making a huge difference. Good to hear your sister is going to vote for Hillary. Hopefully, she is telling her friends.

  92. he’s trying to match her delgate haul in Wv with these sd’s today too.

    And Kennedy is an asshole. He should remember who left someone to die.

  93. Obama Campaign Urges Online Audience To Lobby Superdelegates In College

    blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/obama-campaign.html

  94. carbynew Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Obama lost the G.E and he doesn’t even know it. Hillary has been running a General Election campaign since the begining while Obama has been running a primary campaign

    Right! Obama has been running for the NOMINATION, Hillary has been running for the GE! I don’t think Obama ever expected to get this far. I think he was just doing one of his Chicago Alinsky style stunts, hoping for enough spoiler delegatres that he could make a deal with a serious candidate.

    But now that his supporters think he could really win something, he’s caught in the middle….

  95. 1950 Democrat

    I’m sure you’re right, but just for clarity, has anyone calculated the worst case? What would be our electoral votes if, say, 90% of the AA’s either stayed home or voted for McCain in Nov?

    Someone here was saying that the AA states that have been giving high delegates, have not elected Blacks to state offices; the GOP always prevails there in Nov.

    We want stay home. This is all talk. All the AA i know will vote for Hillary when she is the nominee
    This is just a scare tactic

    Did anyone receive an e-mail from Chelsea

  96. 1950 Democrat.

    I can just see it now.

    Barack Hussein Obama. The First Affirmative Action President.
    NOT!!!!!!!!

    Dot,

    I made another dozen calls and had 8 VM, 3 wrong number/out of service and 1 hang-up! Well, I did 24 today. 😥

  97. http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/9/135248/7567

    Obama wins the nomination (and it looks like he will now), everyone who voted for Hillary in the primary needs to vote for John McCain in November. It makes perfect sense. Hillary, as we all know, is a policy wonk. She has a firm grasp and is well versed on all the issues that matter most to Americans. That is the appeal of the Hillary candidacy. It has nothing to do with the symbolism or historical significance of a woman president; it’s not a white person thing; it has nothing to do with her husband’s presidency. It’s all about policy.

    So let’s examine the issues and the stances taken by all three candidates. Afterwards you will all understand very clearly why Hillary supporters could never vote for Barack Obama and must defect to John McCain in November: All data gathered from OnTheIssues.org, except where otherwise linked. All Boldface print indicates where the candidates agree.

    YOU GUYS MUST READ

    AND PASS IT ON

    WE SHOULD MAKE HILL WIN

    OR VOTE MCCAIN

  98. what you wanna bet he has paid off all the others debt .. for endorsements..Richardson, Dodd and others.

  99. carbynew Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
    Obama Open to Help Clinton With Her Campaign Debt

    I hope Hillary tells him to stick it where the sun don’t shine

  100. Not so fast, Barack:

    —-
    Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West Virginia
    Posted: 06:20 PM ET
    From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

    (CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.

    Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.

    The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday’s primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.

    West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.

  101. I would love to go to one of O’s rallies where you ask him a question, I would ask him about reparations for all AA. Just to see what he would say. Not that i am looking for any i just want to catch him off guard

  102. hillbilly,

    Great pics!

    She is SOOOOOO much more expressive than Waffles.

    TTTT, that nickname suits him perfectly on other levels besides his policy shifts. His expression is often flat as a pancake. 👿

  103. Just sent Chelsea a contribution for her mother. You can also send Hillary a message along with the donation or not. i told her not to quit take it to Denver . I also wished her a Happy Mother’s Day

    This is from my daughter

    Contribution Details
    Date: May 09, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
    Amount: $25.00

  104. Mebbe Bambi can have his name removed from the ballot in West Virginia and Kentucky so when he loses by large margins, he can claim it was because his name wasn’t on the ballot and they shouldn’t be counted.

  105. birdgal Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    neeta: do you think, he would do that? are aa’s talking about it?

    Yes AA are talking. They will vote for Hillary if she were the Nominee. I don’t know where they are getting this from that AA will riot. NOT SO. This is just a scare tactic

  106. I can’t believe Big Media has been bamboozled by the OBama campaign, into reporting that the race is “over” — the whole reason he’s been so DESPERATE to show that it’s over is because he’s about to lose BIG in two more states. I’m surprised no one is making this point!

  107. birdgal Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    neeta: do you think, he would do that? are aa’s talking about it?

    Sorry wrong thread, No he would not do it. I would just like to hear his answer.

  108. neeta, I understand your point exactly. it’s just the sort of issue BO would avoid like the plague. And, no, he would never support it. BO is the safest politician in a lifetime. He would never take a risk for the people of any group.

  109. OMG – a positive headline from CNN

    Poll shows Clinton with big lead in West Virginia
    Posted: 06:20 PM ET

    From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

    Clinton holds a big lead in West Virginia.
    (CNN) – Even as she faces pressure from some to call her White House bid quits, Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead in West Virginia, according to a new poll released Friday.

    Clinton has a 43-point advantage over Obama, 66 percent to 23 percent, according to a new survey from the American Research Group.

    The poll was conducted entirely after Tuesday’s primary results, and carries a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    The poll suggests Clinton’s white, working class base seems to be holding firm for her — at least in West Virginia, where that demographic makes up a substantial portion of the Democratic electorate.

    West Virginia, one of the six contests left in the Democratic presidential race, votes next Tuesday.

  110. LMAO!!!!! Waffles better stop messing with McCain. Did anyone see this letter sent by McCain to Waffles in February? It’s a classic.
    Dear Senator Obama:

    I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again. …”

  111. hhmm,
    but then again, if hillary has a 43 point advantage in WV and only wins by 42, then i guess she’ll be a l-o-s-e-r in the eyes of the MSM.

  112. neeta: I understand too. some aa’s think, that he would push for reparations.

    btw: that statement by Kennedy is horrible, distasteful, and reeks of snobbery. It goes along with Donna Brazile’s statement about not needing the white middle class workers, latinos, women, etc.

    I hate to say this, but I made my first donation to John McCain (after I contributed to Hillary).

  113. ‘I want to rip (Bill Clinton’s) eyes out. Kidding!’
    Michelle Obama’s latest gaffe: ‘See, this is what gets me into trouble’

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63532

    Asked how she feels about Bill Clinton’s use of the phrase “fairytale” to describe her husband’s characterization of his position on the Iraq war, she first responded: “No.”

    But, after a few seconds of contemplation, and gesturing with her fingernails, she told the reporter: “I want to rip his eyes out!”

  114. ROTF = Rolling on the Floor (laughing)

    I LOVED what this TM poster said about HRC staying in the race.
    f She Stays In The Race, Hillary Wins By Default

    Here’s why Hillary will win by default as long as she doesn’t quit:

    Hillary’s supporters are the more conservative/moderate side of the Democratic party. If Obama is the nominee, Hillary’s supporters will have no problem voting for McCain who represents the moderate side of the Republican party.

    Obama is supported by only the most liberal side of the Democratic party. If Hillary is the nominee, those liberal Democrats will still vote Democrat in the GE.

    So if Hillary is nominated, the DNC lose only a few voters.

    If Obama is nominated, the DNC lose almost half the party to the Republicans.

    The longer Hillary remains in the race, the less time Obama has to woo back those Democratic voters he has alienated during the primaries. If the primaries continue until the convention, Obama has no chance of reclaiming Hillary’s supporters.

    The DNC knows this. They know that Obama will lose support as long as the primary race continues. That’s why they’re desperate to get Clinton out NOW.

    If she doesn’t quit, she will be guaranteed the nomination.

  115. oh ,,,i am just a housewife

    i got my youtube thing on last month ,,

    so i learned WTF,,LMAO,,,

    WELL THANKS ,,,,

  116. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63787

    I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on” than Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton has told USA Today.

    She cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

    “There’s a pattern emerging here,” said Hillary. “These are the people you have to win if you’re a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that.”

    The Democratic Party can’t win with just “eggheads and African-Americans,” Paul Begala added helpfully.

    What Hillary and Begala are saying is politically incorrect, but it is also patently true. Hillary was describing what may now fairly be called the Hillary Democrats – aka the ex-Reagan Democrats who did not vote for Obama and may defect to John McCain.

    If Obama can win over these voters who gave Hillary big victories in Ohio and Pennsylvania, he is the 44th president. If McCain does not win a goodly slice of these Democrats, he will lose.

    (Column continues below)

    Who, exactly, are the Hillocrats, half of whom said in the exit polls from North Carolina and Indiana that, if she loses the nomination, they will stay home or vote for McCain?

    They are white, working- and middle-class, Catholic, small-town, rural, unionized, middle-age and seniors, and surviving on less than $50,000 a year. They are the people most belittled by the condescending commentary of Barack behind closed doors out at Sodom on the Bay.

    “You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, (where) the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. … And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    In 40 years, two Democrats have won the presidency, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, and both did so only after connecting with these folks.

  117. I don’t know that the Clintons have any damaging information on Barack Obama. But if they do have something they should release them now.

  118. This is from TPM, and I’m now beginning to get the distinct impression that Terry McAuliffe is trying to talk to the Clintons through the media.

    Good news there is from everything we’ve heard, they ain’t listening.

    Here is top Hillary adviser Terry McAuliffe, talking up the idea of a joint ticket in rather glowing terms in an interview that aired on Sirius radio (transcript sent over by the station)…

    TERRY MCAULIFFE: Well first of all, as you know Mark, both of them, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are themselves going to have to decide who they think is going to be their best Vice President. For the rest of us it’s speculation and presumption and all that.

    I’m just — I’ll put on my former chairman of the Democratic Party hat — I think it’s a great idea at the end of this process for us all to be together…

    I do get excited about the possibility of having Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton crisscrossing this country in the fall of 2008. I think that would be pretty exciting. But I have absolutely no say in it. Hillary Clinton and I have never talked about it. But as former chairman of the party it does get you somewhat excited.

    TPM Prediction: The public enthusiasm among top Hillary supporters for an Obama-Hillary ticket will rise roughly in proportion with their growing recognition that Obama is the party’s presumptive nominee.

    My Prediction: Yeah, rise to zero!

  119. Guys, we need to get every WV voter to the polls for Hill. Does anyone know if they have early voting over the weekend?

  120. guys and gals

    bye from me

    my boys are busy watching powerrangers ,,,,so ican make some calls ,,,,
    take care ,,

    in case if i miss anyone on sunday ,,,,,

    HAPPY MOTHER,S DAY ,,IN ADVANCE

  121. Well wait, we are less than 200k votes from the pop vote right? And that article said sd’s want the pop vote winner. We have got to get as many voters as possible to the polls in WV. I hope Hill has some massive GOTV there.

  122. Another Texas Superdelegate for Hillary

    Texas Congressman Ciro Rodriguez says he’s no longer undecided and is for Hillary Clinton. Rodriguez says his endorsement reflects his South Texas district, which went strongly for Clinton in Texas’ March 4 primary – even if her prospects nationally seem to be dwindling.

    For those keeping score at home, most of the state’s 35 superdelegates are committed. With Rodriguez’s announcement, it makes it 14 pledged to Clinton and 12 pledged to Barack Obama,. The remaining nine are unpledged.
    trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/05/another-texas-superdelegate-fo.html

  123. I think then we need a proper accounting for the votes. If 15k were already thrown out for BO in NC let’s see the rest. Also, Indie and Gary, let’s take a look at those ballots and make sure they are legit.

  124. Lanny Davis on CNN primary night: ‘Worst experience I ever had on television’

    When Clinton supporter Lanny Davis appeared on CNN during primary night, shortly before 10 p.m., there was a peculiar exchange with host Anderson Cooper.

    Cooper: Lanny, let me start off with you. We haven’t heard from you tonight. Your take on Barack Obama’s speech earlier?
    Davis: You haven’t heard from me tonight. And I’m not sure — I’m not sure you want to hear from me tonight but —
    Cooper: We heard from Paul Begala. This is your big chance.
    Davis: Well, actually, I don’t think we heard very much from Paul Begala. We did hear an awful —
    Cooper: All part of the conspiracy against Hillary Clinton, I suppose.

    During the Election Night broadcast, there was palpable tension between Davis and CNN reporters and panelists on camera — and apparently, with producers off camera.

    Looking back, Davis said by phone this afternoon, he considers it “the worst experience I ever had on television.”

    What bothers Davis most is that CNN is the network with which he’s had the longest relationship, where he’s maintained close friendships through the years, and that he’s always considered middle-of-the-road in its coverage. But in his opinion, CNN has not treated Hillary Clinton fairly in the ’08 race.

    Formerly special counsel to President Bill Clinton, Davis admits wholeheartedly to being a partisan and strongly supports Clinton against Obama.

    So what happened on Tuesday night?

    Davis, by his account, was invited to appear on the CNN panel in New York but declined because of a family commitment — his son’s baseball practice in Maryland. Instead, he opted to participate by remote from the network’s D.C. studio.

    He was instructed to arrive around 8:30 p.m., he said, in order to take over the pro-Clinton position once Paul Begala left. So Davis left the baseball practice early in order to arrive at the studio on time, but he didn’t make it on air until almost 10 p.m.

    A CNN spokesperson said that Davis was scheduled to go on-air at 9pm, but CNN didn’t go to him or any commentator during Sen. Obama’s speech in the 9pm hour, just as no commentators were on-air during Sen. Clinton’s speech later the same night.

    Davis said he told a producer several times before getting on-air that he wanted to offer a counterpoint to CNN’s panel, which he thinks is too pro-Obama.

    Regarding the panel’s make-up, Davis said that he believes Gloria Borger, David Gergen, Donna Brazile and Carl Bernstein are all tougher on Clinton than on her rival. And he maintains that Roland Martin is definitely a “partisan for Obama.” (Martin has not official endorsed Obama and is not labeled as such on the network,)

    “I have seen the stacked deck on the so-called panels, which always struck me as imbalanced against Hillary on Election Night,” Davis said, adding that a producer assured him there would be “equal time.”

    So after waiting for nearly 90 minutes, Davis finally got on the air only to hear Cooper’s “sarcastic crack about anti-Clinton conspiracy.”

    “I literally had to take a breath,” Davis said.

    A Cooper spokesperson at CNN, when contacted by e-mail about the exchange, wrote, “I believe Davis mentioned his problem with our coverage on the air that night.”

    Indeed, Davis offered his critique right from the start.

    “First of all, the rules say that the majority of delegates will carry the nomination,” Davis said on the air. “And although John King constantly refers to the number of delegates elected out of the states, the rules don’t say pledged delegates or unpledged delegates. They say delegates.”

    Later, Davis called King a “friend” and a “good journalist. However, Davis said, “I do think he has assumptions in his reporting that I simply disagree with, respectfully.”

    Also, Brazile, who had already sparred earlier with Begala, said to Davis: “Now, if you want to keep fighting, let’s fight. But let’s you and I go in the green room and fight, and not keep this fight up.”

    “I’m not fighting with you, Donna,” he responded.

    While Davis now maintains that the pro-Clinton position wasn’t given ample time, he did acknowledge on air that he’d gotten to make his point. “Thank you for letting me speak for so long, Anderson,” he said at one point.

    But off camera, Davis considered leaving altogether, but decided not to storm out of the studio. So he remained in the Washington for a couple hours, and had been told he’d get the opportunity back on the air after Clinton’s speech. But Cooper never came back to him.

    “That’s when I went ballistic,” Davis said.

    Since Tuesday, Davis has spoken to CNN political director Sam Feist and has decided not to appear on the network during election coverage.

    “Our coverage on May 6 was abundantly fair to all sides,” said a CNN spokesperson.

    “The facts speak for themselves — numerous Clinton supporters appeared on CNN during Tuesday’s primary coverage including Lanny Davis, Paul Begala and Clinton campaign spokesperson Kiki McLean,” the spokesperson continued.

    And despite Davis’s protest of election night coverage, he’s actually appearing tonight on “Larry King Live.” Davis said that King is always fair, and he will never stop going on his show.

    Regarding CNN’s competitors, Davis said that MSNBC is “shameless about their bias toward Obama,” and Fox has been the fairest — which is saying a lot coming from a self-described member of the Democratic Party’s left wing.

    “Fox, no matter how much you might criticize an ideological bent, in this campaign, they have been religiously middle-of-the-road, point-counterpoint,” Davis said.

    And that’s what Davis said he expects from CNN, the network where he’s had “the longest history, best friends, and most respect.”

    (This post has been updated.)

  125. A friend of mine emailed me and said Camp BO is calling voters in WV, not to get out the vote but for donations. Saying the election is essentially over so it doesn’t matter who they vote for they just want a donation for the GE. This is all shameless voter suppression.

  126. Hill’s giving a big speech in Louisville tonight.

    CNN says they’ll have it live.

  127. There are only about 350k WV registered Dem’s. I hope to God, Hill has a plan to get out nearly all of them.

  128. hehe, Obama; “I’ve now been in 57 states”

    There he is, the next president!

    Heaven help us…

  129. Blue Democrat,
    McAuliffe has always gushed about the possibility of them running together. Which at this point is just stupid and looks lame and pathetic. Obama has already stated he is not interested in being her vp. And he and his supporters, with the exception of John Lewis, have never shown any interest in HRC as vp.

  130. mj Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    A friend of mine emailed me and said Camp BO is calling voters in WV, not to get out the vote but for donations. Saying the election is essentially over so it doesn’t matter who they vote for they just want a donation for the GE. This is all shameless voter suppression.

    E-mail this to the Clinton Campaign

  131. basil9 Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
    I LOVED what this TM poster said about HRC staying in the race.
    f She Stays In The Race, Hillary Wins By Default

    Agree! Basically it’s going to be decided by the SDs who are presently keepining quiet. More votes, delegates, and FL/MI are mainly useful for persuading those SDs.

    As one anonymous SD was quoted here a few days ago, their job is to select the best candidate regardless of pop votes or delegates or anything else — and part of that job is to wait till the last minute to see if anyone slips on a banana peel.

  132. We need to get as many of that 350k out to the voting booths as possible. If you are anywhere near WV, I urge you to go and GOTV.

  133. neetabug Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
    mj Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    A friend of mine emailed me and said Camp BO is calling voters in WV, not to get out the vote but for donations. Saying the election is essentially over so it doesn’t matter who they vote for they just want a donation for the GE. This is all shameless voter suppression.

    That would be quite a sign of desperation! First, that they need to press their small donors — maybe their big money donors have pulled back.

    Second, that they would tell their own supporters no need to get out and vote. Unless they are really only phoning Hill supporters and the whole donation thing is just a ploy to suppress our vote … is that what you mean?

  134. It is NOT desperation. It’s strategy and dot has told us in her phone banking many are saying their votes won’t count anyway. We NEED to get the vote out on Tuesday.

  135. neetabug Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
    Yes AA are talking. They will vote for Hillary if she were the Nominee. I don’t know where they are getting this from that AA will riot. NOT SO. This is just a scare tactic

    Do you have some cites we can quote on that? Are any AA church groups coming out against Wright?

  136. 1950, it’s not about Wright. That’s not what neeta is saying. This is just what she is hearing in her conversations in the community. The vote for Obama is not a vote against Hill, and as polls suggest, they will vote for Hill in a GE. That is what she is saying. She’s not going to have quotes. This is through her conversations with people in her community.

  137. 1950democrat Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    neetabug Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
    Yes AA are talking. They will vote for Hillary if she were the Nominee. I don’t know where they are getting this from that AA will riot. NOT SO. This is just a scare tactic

    Do you have some cites we can quote on that? Are any AA church groups coming out against Wright?

    No church groups only in neighborhood and talking to AA”s in general. They are saying they will vote for either Hillary or Obama. No matter who gets the nomination.

  138. boy ya watchin fox them damn ass liars…now why would she quit when ther e is thousands at hillarys events still ..write em and tell you jerks..people know your tricks the BIG Media tricks..send it over and over to em at fox and that lady from fortune magzine nina easton write her and tell her to quit lying..and write that ramussen guy also sens some email i just did..tell ramussen we did not elect a candiate yet ..

  139. you think us dems are going to elect a flawed canidate sctott ramussen ya big LIAR LIAR JUST LIKE OBAMA HUSeIN..lie lie lie

  140. ok its working faster now, whew maybe my computer

    also I wrote to the W. Virginia offices warning them of the scheme Obama may be playing

  141. Can we do some sort of mass media blitz. Fox News, CNN, MSNBC etc? Let our voices be heard instead of
    Hilllary’s people. Lets flood the media. Some one draft a letter. Let them know it is not over until the last state is counted. Stop trying to control the votes Lets flood them with letters. Are we going to mail the play money to the DNC. Name the date and time

  142. …there clinging to there guns in south dakota .to .bo wont have a chance bad mouthing him there ..they said he lies about his church and ayers voters have seen the pic of the stomping flag
    They will hunt until they croak,
    They know whats going on too,with the media trying to pick our nominee.
    TEXan i see it they are so wild like kentucky bluegrass..

  143. texan4hillary how is she sounding? I feel we need to do more for some reason, not sure what it is? I feel there needs to be more of an attack on Obama’s character and untrustworthiness? Not enough is out there.

  144. texan4hillary Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
    hillary aint dead-she si rocking ky right now and the crowd is wild.

    what is the link

  145. Here is a moving Happy Mother’s day message. I copy it here from Hillary’s website:

    Happy Mother’s Day, Hillary
    May 9, 2008

    Dearest Hillary,
    So wonderful that your lovely daughter, Chelsea, created this opportunity for me to honor you.

    As this campaign arrived in Pennsylvania, I was touched by your courage. I looked deep inside for mine and knew mine could grow.

    When you won Pennsylvania, I was touched by your grace and optimism and energy. I looked deeper inside myself and challenged myself to increase those qualities in me.

    When your campaign slammed into a wall on May 6th in North Carolina, I witnessed your resolve, your resilience, and your Technicolor vision of yourself as our President. That is the same vision I see. I looked inside and sighed because I have a lot of growth to do to more fully develop those qualities.

    We women are internalizing the image of the woman you are as you create with every breath you take a new paradigm for female confidence and leadership and ownership. Women are in awe of your strength and your will. Men are in awe of your strength and tenacity and your brilliance.

    You are creating an extraordinary new “life,” which did not exist before these moments in time that we are sharing. I know this is your destiny. You are the Mother of our possibility. You see far beyond the labor pains of our ripping out of the old models and into a new expression of female.

    You are already creating a new and real Female Archetype. I feel it taking hold in the collective consciousness of males and females in all of our diversity. This country is ready for the shift to the deeply feminine style of leadership of inclusiveness, protection of safety and quality of life, and compassion.

    Thank you for giving birth to a new experience of a fully realized female in the role of most powerful leader. I am indelibly encouraged by you. The imprint has been made inside all of us. You are already a great success.

    Rise, Hillary, Rise.

    Happy Mother’s Day.

    With Love,
    KT in NC
    for Hillary

    by KT in NC for Hillary at 5/9/2008 5:32:17 PM

  146. Wow, she was on fire tonight. She looked very confident. Her speech was amazing. A lot like her PA speech.

  147. hill sid look at the map and tell me who can get you the whitehouse! rowd loved her. great move to be there and touch the grassroots there.

  148. awesome, that’s great! I just hope that Hillary ranks up the superdelegates esp after Obama got 9 today!

  149. just, he has had those sd’a in his pocket for months I would bet. Don’t concentrate on that. That’s not how Hill is going to win. She is going to win by winning the pop vote. Those SDs can change their minds at any point.

  150. Any delegate can change their mind – wait until the results of the FDR / Savethevoters.org study comes out – it will be shocking!

  151. She was great,and he mad ethe BIGGEST MISTAKE BY trying to say he will be the NOM ON THE 20th OF May UUHHH I dont think so Baobamai,I know for sure you wont be …these states would not be supporting her and coming to rallys..
    they figured out the MEDIA TRICKS and His also
    it will backfire on HIM TERRIBLY..just waht they ROVE was saying!!!and i dont like him at all..
    These STATES will backlash right back at him..
    His supporter sbetter start crying now and BACKOFF!!
    the only reason those SD came out was to have it a SD race..there wont be anymore untill all voices are HEARD or they wont get reelected!!! GO HILLARY 08..

  152. and just on the news oregon voters calling in
    they will have there voices heard and Hillary will not be out!!!..she has lotts of supporters there…
    ITS THE WILL OF THE Voters all %) STATES TO BE HEARD>>
    he is arrogant and all talk no show!!!!

  153. I think also MONTANA will BACKlash against HIM>>>to much talk in wyoming that TRAVELS to BIllings and BUtte and MIssoula..BOzeman

  154. Thanks for posting that, Blue Democrat. CNN is the most biased journalistic outfit I’ve seen in a long time. What’s so insidious about them is that they masquerade as though they’re being rational. John King tries to act like a professor up on that stupid tally board, but all his numbers are blatantly pro-Obama. Anderson Cooper, bless him, seems like a nice guy but he simply doesn’t understand how he’s being duped by his own panel.

    FOX is also biased, but at least with FOX, you know what you’re getting. There’s no pretense there.

  155. But, it’s a real mess down here – this party is in shambles and I really don’t think it will recover – I have opened over 1,000 petitions today alone – here are some excerpts of people who have taken time to write on their petitions.

    1. I’ve been a Democrat since 1966 – please don’t take my vote away or I will vote for McCain

    2. I believe it the responsibility of the Democratic Party to make sure our votes are counted when cast. I am making a pledge today that if our votes are not counted on Jan 29th I will switch my allegiance to the Republican party. Obviously our Democratic leaders don’t care what happens to us.

    3. After voting Democrat for 45 years my husband and I had to come to a very difficult decision – for the first time we will not vote in the General Election.

    4.

  156. Agreed, CJ. The Obama-bots are DESPERATE to call the race “over” because Obama is heavily bleeding support from white working class voters, and the longer that continues, the more his candidacy is doomed. If he is the nominee, he will get blown out of the water by McCain.

  157. (CNN) — The Republican National Committee is stepping up its efforts against Barack Obama, launching a new Web site Friday that solicits voters to question the Illinois senator on issues “he has failed to address or refused to answer.”

    The site is encouraging both text and video submissions via YouTube. It also features a Web video suggesting certain questions to ask, including, “Why, as an Illinois state Senator, did he vote ‘present’ over 130 times instead of ‘yes’ or ‘no’ on difficult issues like abortion, crime, and guns?” and “Why did he tell donors in San Francisco that the economy has driven small town voters to ‘cling’ to guns and religion?”

    *CNN conveniently forgot to give the link, will try and find it.

  158. Some more:

    4. Count my vote or don’t count on me!

    5. Why did I waste my time if the party already knew who the candidate would be back in 2005.

    6. I am 89 – Who are the names of the people responsible for putting us in this mess for their own self-importance. These people should be voted out.

    7. I am quitting my job as a teacher – I can not teach democracy and history to my class. I have been a lifelong democrat, voted for Edwards. My husband and I have begun to work for McCain as volunteers.

  159. Well, it’s official: Rasmussen has lost its mind and is in the tank for Obama. From today’s daily tracking poll — what a crock of s***:

    ——-
    However, while Senator Clinton has remained close and competitive in every meaningful measure, she is a close second and the race is over. It has become clear that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

    At the moment, Senator Clinton’s team is busily trying to convince Superdelegates and pundits that she is more electable than Barack Obama. For reasons discussed in a separate article, it doesn’t matter. Even if every single Superdelegate was convinced that the former First Lady is somewhat more electable than Obama, that is not enough of a reason to deny him the nomination.

  160. A few more:

    8. I have voted in every election since I have been 18 and i am now 40. You can tell the DNC to kiss my sunshine goodbye. I have donated to the Dems my whole life and it stops now! You are taking the white woman for granted big mistake!

    9. If Barack Obama is nominated because he stole my vote, I will move out of the country and back to Ireland.

    10. Count me out – not more Democrats for me – Shameful and disgusting – to hell with Howard Dean and the entire party. This 76-year old woman will never vote again and I am in tears writing this.

    The voices from Florida!

  161. fdr: many Hillary supporters will not vote for waffles, and this is occurring all over the country. Some will sit out the election, some will vote 3rd party, some for waffles, and others for McCain. I lurked around the McCain blogs, and there were several Hillary supporters exploring the waters over there. There are even Obamabots on the McCain website.

    Great about the petitions. I sent my from CA a couple of weeks ago, and gave one to a co-worker. I hope he mailed it.

    How many oranges should we send? I have the information.

  162. Send an orange to each RBC member – we also have a Super Delegate watch on the site now –

    the Democratic party in Florida is completely falling apart –

  163. The “Can We Ask” angle is actually pretty brilliant. Obama hasn’t been asked a single difficult question this entire campaign, and the one time anyone came remotely close (ABC debate), Obama had a huge hissy fit.

  164. Well, it’s official: Rasmussen he is off his rocker he needs a slew of emails too…

    yep BERKLEYFOX….MCCain will nodd him right off the stage we will hear a Obama SCREAM!!!

    To many states that will Backlash against BO DNC Pelosi Richardson kennedy kerry and the lovely so called,,MEDIA Misrepresentation!!!!!!!

  165. fdr: the party is falling apart, all over the country. The new democratic party does not need us anymore. They want the young people, the educated, and AA’s. To hell, with white middle class, women, seniors, Asians, Latinos, etc. Waffles does not have a large enough coalition to win a GE.

    Hillbilly: that video clip was good,.

  166. Berkeley,

    Check it out, some of the question are pretty hysterical.

    Obama is about to enter a different dimension.

  167. Here is a good one: “How can say that Senator McCain is losing his bearings, when you said there were 57 states? LOL

  168. Berkeley Vox,

    BHO hasn’t been asked a single difficult question because if you ask, you will be racist.

  169. nikki22 , since the bigmedia declare the race is over, the turnout is expected to be lower.

  170. Since you are the ultimate authority on security and international relationships, what will you be looking for in your Secretary of State?

    Senator, not only am I one of your constituents, but I live in Cook County. Chicagoans will soon pay the nation’s highest sales tax–that form of taxation is regressive and hurts poor people the most. You enthusiastically endorsed Todd Stroger for Cook County Board President in a tight race, and you said he had “worked assiduously” for the poor. You also boasted that Stroger “lead us into a new era of Cook County government.” What do you think of your endorsement now?

    Anonymous) You keep preaching change and that you represent change. What will you change? What changes are you planning? Ambiguous statements and generic claims make me wonder if you really have a plan or just a lot of words.

    Why have you given repeat speeches about being against “Politics as Usual” yet you did nothing but put
    everyone else down and you yourself don’t have any kind of “plan”… Why Senator?

    Reid – Tulsa, OK) Mr. Obama, when you cast your vote this November in the presidential election, will you vote for yourself, or will you simply vote “present?”

    Mark – Palm Harbor, FL) Have you looked at a state electoral college map of the US lately? Forget about Florida, Ohio, and any state under the Mason/Dixon line. Thank God no one is listening to Hillary. How can you support a communistic approach to health care and a cowardly approach to the war in Iraq? “Yes we can” but should we?

    (John – Pelham, AL) If you were elected president and in choosing your cabinet, would you take into account that persons past associations and history? Would Decision making and keeping informed of current events be a criteria for selecting someone for a cabinet position?

    As someone who has been the most reliable hard-left vote in the Senate since you were elected, and with your prior track record of support for only the most extreme liberal ideas, please state 4 or 5 substantial conservative proposals you will support to “bring us together”. Do not include ideas you used to inspire reconciliation in your Church for the last 20 years.

    I could go on and on. Smart people, smart questions.

  171. Alyssa – Pittsburg, KS) How will you help our starving economy when you don’t even realize raising the capital gains tax will raise taxes for the middle class? Furthermore, why did you reject your own economic plan in the Senate?

    Brad – San Antonio, TX) With American politics as polarized as ever, you say you can bring America together. What times have you broken with your party to “reach across the isle” and compramise with Republicans?

  172. I remember when the Bush campaign/repubs just dismantled Sen Kerry at their 2004 convention. Kerry never really did recover from that. If it weren’t for those debates he would have loss by a much bigger margin. Multiply that times 1000 if BO is the nominee. Obama has never really defined himself for the electorate and unfortunately many democratic voters are just fine with his vague promises of new politics. That won’t be the case in the general so the repubs will be able to make him into whatever they want for the general. Oh and if his supporters are crying racism now just wait until the GOP launches a few “call me Harold” ads on him. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

  173. Bill in rapid city,sd 330 tommorrow.
    KNBN-TV
    updated 12:30 p.m. CT, Fri., May. 9, 2008
    Rapid City – The 2008 presidential election has already proven to be a historic race and now history is being made in Rapid City. Our June 3 primary may finally matter when it comes to the Democratic nominee. On Saturday Former President Bill Clinton will “rally the troops” at Stevens High School in Rapid City. Friday night, Hillary Clinton’s campaign is preparing for the campaign’s secret weapon at her Rapid City campaign office. The campaign office doesn’t officially open until Saturday, but volunteers are there making signs and getting pumped up for a big day on Saturday when Former President Bill Clinton will be in Rapid City stumping for his wife, Hillary Clinton. This just tells you how the race is heating up and how both candidates are sprinting to the finish line. They are getting their signs ready to welcome Bill Clinton Saturday at the Stevens High School Gym and the official Clinton Office opening is also Saturday at 12:00 p.m. It’s located at 2020 Jackson Boulevard. Former President Bill Clinton will be speaking at Stevens High School in Rapid City in the gym at 3:30 p.m. Doors open at 3:00 p.m. and seating is first come, first serve. He will be talking about “Solutions for America.”

  174. They wont reject the Clintons here in this state no matter what waffels says or hi supporters
    or whatever the media says.
    They want there votes counted and voices heard

  175. I am going to register the domain name McCaindemocrats.com. Anyone else think that is a good idea?

    Ted Kennedy can go piss himself, again, old drunk.

  176. Nikki,
    Right on, you nailed it. The key to who’s defining whom is how the media plays it, and it’s no longer a monolithic block so it’s hard to say which way they’ll go.
    I also don’t think this is going to end before Denver for us so that further muddies the situation.
    But I’ve heard Rove & many others in key positions say what you just did about defining him.
    That’s why it kills me this guy has gotten the softest of treatment (from Hill & BM) and yet all he does is whine. He really has no idea.

  177. Why has nobody ever called out Kennedy?? Somebody should seriously talk about how he killed that lady by driving his car into the water and not telling anybody. What morals Ted! You are a disgrace to this country.

  178. Wagner,

    You asked, I’ll answer.

    It’s a stupid fucking idea. Get it the fuck out of my face.

  179. Notice how Chelsea said all little girls can grow up to become the president even if it is the SECOND

  180. You want it the fuck out of your face, turn your fucking head. It’s called insurance in case Dean and Brazile thier fucking way. If he gets the nod, I will work to make sure numb nuts loses, period. No fucking way will I support him. Democrat or not.

  181. Sorry Wagner, I briefly lost control of the ferocity within.

    I just have zero appetite for any of this talk about VP, or McCain, or whatever. We’re in the heat of battle here, one that is not over, regardless of what anyone says.

    Apologies again.

  182. I MEAN – AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?

    The 90+% of AA is the reason BHO won NC. THAT’S not news – that hasn’t changed. She whittled down his lead from the 20’s%. THAT’S the story. She prevailed in HIS neighboring state. THAT’S the REST of the story on Tuesday night. Yes, it would have been better to have had a wider margin in IN and less of one in NC, but the SCRIPT WAS ALREADY WRITTEN! THEY had already decided how they would spin his results – as a coronation!

    This “hijacking” of this election, from members of the DNC to McGovern to Rasmussen – makes me truly feel like I’m having a continual out-of-body experience. OVER HALF OF THE COUNTRY WANTS HILLARY! Those crooked caucuses with their outrageous skewed numbers are SO unrepresentatiave of actual voters.

    The smackdown Begala took that night on CNN over Brazile’s earlier contention that the New Democratic Party no longer relied on the (white) blue-collar working class was over-the-top. Her “ghetto” talk that brought laughter and sneers was disgusting. Now I hear the rest of the story about the diss to Lanny Davis. This is such blatant corruption and propoganda that is sickens me to the pit of my stomach.

    This has been tossed around for weeks on end – but the time has come for ALL WORKING-CLASS WHITE VOTERS TO BOYCOTT CNN AND MSNBC. WE NEED TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.

    ALSO, DECLARE TO THE PRESS (PRINTED) OPENLY THAT WE WILL NOT SUPPORT BHO UNDER ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, CIRCUMSTANCE.

    THEY MAY HAVE SLIGHTLY LARGER NUMBERS COLLECTIVELY – BUT WE HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER, SINGULARLY. THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS AND I SAY IT’S WAY PAST TIME TO FLEX OUR MUSCLES.

    HOW CAN WE SEROUSLY GET SOME GAME PLAN GOING HERE? SHOULD IT START IN WV? WHY NOT?

    THE INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS IS GROWING AND GIANT GREEN PODS ARE OVERTKING THE COUNTRY. LET’S EXTERMINATE THEM.

    IF HILLARY IS GOING TO BE CALLED RACIST FOR MERELY STATING DEMOGRAPHIC FACTS THAT DOUBLE-STANDARD BRAZILE CAN SPOUT OFF AS SHE SEES FIT – THEN AGAIN, I SAY LET’S TAKE THIS COUNTRY BY STORM.

    PADDY4HILL EARLY THIS MORNING (SEE FIRST FEW POSTS [COULDN’T SLEEP]) REMINDED ME THAT THIRD PARTIES HAVN’T EEN ABLE TO TAKE HOLD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF OUR COUNTRY. BUT I SAY DRASTIC TIMES CALL FOR DRASTIC MEASURES AND HILLARY IS FAR TOO CAPABLE AND NEEDED FOR US TO ABANDON HER NOW. WE HAVE TO CARRY HER ON OUR SHOULDERS, SOME HOW – SOME WAY. H E L P!

  183. The old saying that is so real today may well determine who our next president will be.Yes Sir,The DNC has swalled the RNC bait,hook.line and sinker.Do you feel smart people?DDo you feel betrayed people?Do you wish you could start over,people?Have you had enough people?Do you ask,how it could have happened people?Is it now a lost cause people? Isay not yet.Soget off your dead butts,roll up your sleeves,invest some of that hard earned money into the campaign for Hillary Rodham Clinton.
    The RNC and the MSM are now in the last days of completing their takeover of Election process and all that controls our freedom of speech,our right to control our destiny and the reality of one person,one vote.
    OBAMA is their Golden Fleece,their Trojan Horse and their Great Black Hope.They want him nominated,destroy Hillary and then just watch what they have waiting for him before the GE. They get to eliminate two opponents for the price of one.Their candidate,McClain and a stronger VP,to be named later,after the smoke clears,will sound the death rattle for the Democratic party as we know know it.OIL,OIL,OIL,thats what is all about.Whoever controls the oil supply will rule this world.This scenario has been a long time in planning and must be stopped NOW. The only way left,is to cut Bait (OBAMA) and get out there and fight for Hillary.
    The high price of gas is paralyzing this country and our economy
    to the point where,if we can’t,can’t walk,can’t vote,can’t protest,can’t earn a living,both white and black citizens will become just members of the same low class and all others will be enjoying the fruits of their upper class monopoly.

    It is not too late if we fight back and insist that all votes in all 50 states be counted. Can you realize that this all started in Chicago,when a Slumlord,a shrewed and cunning Black Pastor,adopted and promoted the career of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

    STOP THIS EVIL EVENT NOW or devided we fall.

    BY ABM90

  184. Blue Dem, apology accepted. I understand the anger – I am not talking to three of my good friends because of this race, I got into an REAL argument with my BOSS, over this race. We don’t even talk about the primary, it is verbotten, she needs me and I need a job but that anger is there.

    A real uniter that Hussein.

  185. Thanks Wagner. I much prefer to consider an Independent run as an insurance policy, build a fucking 3rd Way Clinton party, if Brazilla & Dean get their way.

    Tell me why I shouldn’t think that, or why it wouldn’t work.

  186. ABM,
    “if we can’t,can’t walk,can’t vote,can’t protest,can’t earn a living,both white and black citizens will become just members of the same low class and all others will be enjoying the fruits of their upper class monopoly.”

    BINGO!

  187. If Obama steals the nomination, that WOULD work, BlueDem. Imagine a 3-way race between HRC, BHO and McC. Hillary could run as an independent, and state that when elected, she’d return to the Democratic party.

    In that 3-way race, Hillary would push Obama to the left and McCain to the right, and the vast majority of reasonable, centrist, bi-partisan, let’s-get-it-done voters would elect her president. Women make up 55% of the voters, and she could expect to do very well among them, while BHO and McC split the majority of the male vote. She would actually do better in a 3-way race, I believe, than in a 2-way race.

  188. ABC News’ Eloise Harper reports: Hillary Clinton was back in Louisville, Ky., Friday night delivering her stump speech. She rolled through her lines at the Democratic Party dinner in this state where she is up in the polls, as many in the audience cheered while holding “Hillary” signs.

    Sen. Clinton re-introduced her electoral map argument, which she raised yesterday in West Virginia, where she said “delegate math may be complicated, but the electoral math is easy.” Clinton on Friday night sought to make the same argument that she can win the election in November despite Sen. Barack Obama’s lead in delegates.

    Clinton said, “The only way we can have a Democrat in that White House come next January is to win in November, and we cannot win unless we can win 270 electoral votes. Look at the map and figure out where we are going to get those votes and which candidate is more likely to be able to win those votes in November.”

    Clinton even offered a jab toward her opponent during the dinner saying, “We have had enough of speeches. Enough promises. That’s not going to solve our problems. What we need is action.”

    The senator was introduced by superdelegate and DNC committee member Terry McBrayer, who ribbed Sen. Obama for not spending time in Kentucky.

    “We have been looking for Obama in Kentucky,” he said. “I personally contacted with Dean’s Milk Company, and we are putting Obama’s picture on a carton of milk to see if we can find him in Kentucky.”

    The crowd booed, to which McBrayer responded, “Bring it on.”

    Clinton saw the opportunity later in her speech to remind guests that she made the effort to be at the dinner. “I am the only candidate here tonight in Kentucky with all of you,” Clinton said to a loud cheer.

  189. BREAKING NEWS OUT OF TX-
    LULAC sued Texas Democratic Party over primary delegates
    By MICHELLE ROBERTS Associated Press Writer
    Article Launched: 05/09/2008 02:04:36 PM MDT
    SAN ANTONIO-A Latino advocacy group is suing the Texas Democratic Party over the way delegates are being allocated through its complicated primary and caucus system.
    LULAC filed a federal voting rights lawsuit in San Antonio, but it is not seeking to stop the seating of Texas delegates for now. LULAC’s lawyers said the suit could, however, force a reallocation of the caucus delegates.

    Texas allocates its delegates based on a primary and then a caucus.

    The caucus is designed to reward loyal Democratic voters, but Attorney Luis Vera Jr. said Latino districts were hurt in the March 4 vote.

    Those districts more heavily favored Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama.

    On edit: I don’t know what the law is, but it occurs to me that the TDP (or any political party) is essentially a private organization. The federal voting rights act is designed to protect the voting rights of minorities in public elections. The Democratic Party primary is subject to rules made up by the party’s members,who make rules on how to choose its standard-bearers. While I see what they’re objecting to, I think they’re mixing apples and oranges. But I could be wrong

  190. I could kiss you Berkeley, but I’m not sure is you’re M/F?

    As stated, I think it could be wild but a real option, particularly if she enlisted a Bloomberg, who not only negates potential money problems by himself (and also owns a media network), but because NY media bleeds into national coverage so much that the effect of being relegated to a 3rd party candidate would be offset, at least partially.

    Can you still get on the ballot in 50 states?
    What other real impediments are there?

  191. Well, I think a 3rd party/Independent run would be a great idea, if the point is to ruin Hussein. That is my goal. Whenever I post I refer to him as Barack Hussein Obama, that is his legal name. I don’t care if it is xenophobic or not. The goal is to take him down.

    I just watched the McLaughlin Group – Pat Buchanan and McLaughlin said HRC should stay in the race. PB said she has a point – the people who support her are “Reagan Democrats”. The people of PN, OH, MO, FL, the swing voters who determine the president.

    Eleanor Clift, whom I used to like, said Hussein needs to appeal to white blue collars, women, elderly, and Latinos. I yelled out ‘too ***** late’. The dice have been cast.

  192. Just got back from a romantic dinner.

    Oo la la

    Yeah, we did light a candle. For the mood, and I know also for Hillary.

  193. Bloomberg doesn’t like the Clintons, that was telegraphed during his breakfast/photo op with Hussein.

  194. Just read Lanny Davis’ account of Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper’s behavior last Tuesday.

    Keep in mind that it is common knowledge on the gay scene that Mr. Vanderbilt prefers the company of AA men. Notice more than a few AA men are newscasters on CNN? Just a coincidence? I don’t think so. Well, they say once you go black you never go back.

  195. “Two new yorkers, or two of any same state can not run together.”

    Really MJ? Didnt know that. Ok, so we just take Wes Clark and go for it.
    Or maybe coerce Evan Byah to come along.

    Oklahomahills,
    Conversely I’d think somewhere like Texas, w/huge latino population, would be in play.

    The electoral map gets very interesting.

    Which of the primary states that she’s won wouldn’t she take in a general election 3-way matchup?

  196. wagner,

    Whoa! More info than I needed!
    Honestly, it’s probably much more about stacking the editorial content in BO’s favor than some kind of Vanderbilt fetish, if I had to guess 🙂

  197. I’m a straight guy, Blue Democrat – lol. We can high-five.

    …Not sure what the impediments would be to a 3rd-party run by Hillary, other than IMMENSE pressure from the Democratic party not to do it. Democratic party officials would go ballistic (“She’s tearing the party apart! She’ll siphon off key support Obama would otherwise get, and will ruin our chances!”) etc. But if she was brave enough to do it, I honestly think she would win. The Obama schtick wears more thin every day (as the polls show) and McCain is kind of a dud.

  198. It’d be really cool to see a national polling organization do a 3-way poll for President, with McCain vs Obama vs Hillary. I bet the results would be pretty shocking. 😀

  199. As for the pressure, there’s a great answer she can give, which is,
    “Then you should’ve let us have a fair fight!”

    On the polling, the real question is if they’ve done it (internally), and what it says. I could see her easily winning the 3 or 4 of the 3-way presidential debates and getting relative landslide (40%ish) support.

    And it could free her up so many ways rhetorically, not being bound by Dem party platforms.

    **And one of the biggest benefits to my mind would be making media a major issue in the general, which it desperately needs to be.
    We just cannot continue to have a country – regardless of who wins in Nov. – with the status quo.**

    But what don’t I know about a Indy run that makes it unrealistic?

  200. The only thing tough about an Indy run would be that the Democratic party would FREAK OUT and start panicking and do everything it could to dissuade her from running. But you know what? Screw ’em. They haven’t done her a damn favor this entire primary.

    I almost have a sneaking suspicion that plans are already underway for an independent run by Hillary. Why else would her campaign staff be so comfortable in saying, basically, “yeah, we’ll get a nominee quickly, and it won’t go to the convention”? It’s because they want to break cleanly with the party, soon, so her candidacy doesn’t look like sour grapes. And you’re right: she would ROLL through 3-way debates with big victories. No one can debate with her and come close.

  201. Excerpted these from Saturday’s NYT;

    The superdelegate movement toward Mr. Obama, of Illinois — giving him a net gain of six on Friday alone, with more expected — increased the pressure on Mrs. Clinton, of New York, to at least refrain from divisive remarks, particularly after her comments on Wednesday that lower-income white voters would not support Mr. Obama if he became the Democratic nominee. Aides now say she regrets the comments.
    Clinton advisers say attacks on Mr. Obama are no longer enough to change the momentum or the outcome of the nomination race. So continuing to attack him on the campaign trail, at this point, would probably inflict more long-term harm on Mrs. Clinton than on Mr. Obama, her advisers said.
    The tonal change in Mrs. Clinton’s campaigning away from sharp engagement with Mr. Obama could reflect cold political calculation: with elements of the party now coalescing around him, her own political legacy may be at stake in the few weeks remaining before primary voting comes to a close on June 3.
    At a children’s hospital in Portland on Friday, Mrs. Clinton did not refer to Mr. Obama by name but drew a sharp contrast between her plan for universal health care and Mr. Obama’s less inclusive plan: “How can anyone run for Democratic nominee for president and not have a universal health care plan? This is a huge, huge difference and one I feel passionately about.”
    Bill Carrick, a longtime Democratic campaign consultant who is neutral but who has close ties to many in the Clinton inner circle, said, “She’s very, very sensitive to the position she’s in now.” He added: “Definitely as she campaigns in these upcoming states she will stress her commitment to the Democratic Party and the stakes in the fall. She’s clearly sending a message to those voters that it’s in their interest to support the party in the fall, whoever the nominee is.”
    Publicly, Mrs. Clinton is signaling that she is in the fight to win. In her speeches and in personal pleas to undecided superdelegates, she argues that she has proved better than Mr. Obama at attracting support from Latinos, Roman Catholics and older and working-class voters, and is better equipped than he is to win the swing states in November.
    “There is no margin for error,” she said on Thursday night at a fairground in Central Point, Ore. “We need to elect someone who understands how Washington works and is ready from Day 1.”
    The Clinton campaign began running new television advertisements in West Virginia and Oregon that do not mention Mr. Obama. The West Virginia spot focuses on trade deals and special interests, while the Oregon one criticizes the Bush administration’s conduct of the Iraq war.
    On Thursday, Mrs. Clinton affirmed her intent to fight for victories in the six Democratic primaries left. She tells her audiences, and herself, that the exercise strengthens party muscles.
    “The more we compete in Democratic primaries,” she said at a rally at a Sioux Falls, S.D., airport hangar, “the stronger the Democratic Party will be.”

  202. Pro-Hillary op-ed piece in tomorrow’s WaPo:


    Quitters Never Win

    By Ellen R. Malcolm
    Saturday, May 10, 2008; A15

    When I was growing up in the 1960s, I wanted to play basketball. In those days, the rules said girls could dribble only three steps and then had to pass the ball. To make sure we didn’t overexert ourselves, we weren’t allowed to cross the half-court line. It’s a wonder our fans (our mothers) could stay awake when a typical game’s final score was 14-10.

    It’s remarkable that my generation of women entered the workforce and began to compete in business, politics and the hurly-burly of life outside the home. How did we ever learn to locate, much less channel, our competitive instincts in a world that made us play half-court and assumed that we would be content staying home to iron the shirts? It’s a tremendous tribute to women of my generation that we sucked it up and learned to compete in the toughest environments.

    Which brings us to Hillary Clinton running for president. This brilliant woman believes that she can compete for the most powerful office in the world. She believes that she can do a better job than any of the men running to lead our country through these challenging times. And millions of Americans, women and men, believe that she is correct.

    Yet over and over again the media and her opponents have claimed that she is defeated — it’s over, she can’t win, she’s a loser. And over and over again — in New Hampshire, on Super Tuesday, in Texas and Ohio, in Pennsylvania last month, and in Indiana this week — female voters poured out of their homes to cast their ballots for her. They know that women can compete, and they want to make sure that women, especially this woman, can win.

    It’s not surprising that low-income working women are the cornerstone of Hillary’s success. Many of these women live on the edge of disaster. A pink slip, a family member’s illness, a parent who can no longer live alone, a car that won’t start or a mortgage rate that goes up — all are threats that could devastate the family. And yet these women do what women have done for ages. They put on a confident face, feed their children breakfast and get them off to school. They don’t quit. They suck it up and fight back against whatever life throws their way.

    They see in Hillary Clinton a candidate who understands the pressures they face. As they watch her tough it out against all odds, refusing to quit and continuing to compete against whatever the media and her opponents throw her way, they see a woman as tough and resilient as they are. They clearly want her to win. Her victory, I believe, is their victory.

    So here we are in the fourth quarter of the nominating process and the game is too close to call. Once again, the opponents and the media are calling for Hillary to quit. The first woman ever to win a presidential primary is supposed to stop competing, to curtsy and exit stage right.

    Why on earth should one candidate quit before the contest is finished? Democrats need not be so fainthearted. Both of the party’s remaining candidates have raised tens of millions of dollars. Both have the respect of Democrats nationwide. Each has a progressive agenda that stands in stark contrast to Sen. John McCain and his adherence to Bush administration policies.

    So why are some Democrats so afraid? We simply need to count every vote, let the remaining states have their say and see the process through to its conclusion.

    Hillary Clinton certainly has the right to compete till the end. But I believe Hillary also has a responsibility to play the game to its conclusion. For the women of my generation who learned to find and channel their competitiveness, for the working women who never falter in the face of pressure, for the younger women who still believe women can do anything, Hillary is a champion. She’s shown us over and over that winners never quit and that quitters never win. We’ll cheer her on until the game is over. And we hope that when the final whistle blows, we will have elected the first female president and the best president our country has ever had.

  203. True, MJ, about the need for party apparatus / infrastructure. Although in ’92, there were stretches when Perot led Bush in the polls, and he had no party.

  204. Berkeley,

    All this ^ ‘stressing a commitment to the party’ ^ is either a great setup or distressing as far as my scenario goes.

    But on the Indy run, what about the mother’s milk, $$$???

    Isn’t that what makes or breaks it? And are her contributors maxed out, or would that no longer count as it’s not considered a gift to the party?

  205. Berk, how far did Perot get? And, mind you, he’s a billionaire. You need an aparatus. Look let’s take back the pop vote lead and win this nomination. That’s the only thing that is going to work.

  206. Not sure about the $$$ angle, and how that would work. We do know that she has showed an ability to raise record funds — in any other year, her numbers would be mind-boggling — but Obama’s ability to rake in Internet donations makes him formidable. She’d have more money than McCain but less than Obama, I assume? And she could self-finance somewhat, too.

    Another very, very likely possibility is a joint ticket of Clinton/Obama or vice versa. The press has been dismissive of the idea, saying it couldn’t work, which is asinine. A joint ticket would be — to quote Bill Clinton — “unstoppable.”

  207. You’re right, MJ — I don’t mean to get sidetracked with crazy ideas and appear weak-willed — I really do believe Hillary can and will win the nomination outright. But if that doesn’t happen, there are definitely lots of other good options.

  208. BERKLEY,

    PLEASE DONT SAY INDY RUN…
    ITS MY DREAM, AND I’VE GIVEN UP HOPE THAT SHE WILL STRIKE OUT ON HER OWN…

    i know how many, have been disappointed by her saying she will support the nominee, cause we want her to fight.

  209. sorry, got cut off…

    anyway, yes please dont get us all excited for nothing.
    IT TAKES GUTS TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DECISION, BUT WOULDNT IT BE EXCITING?
    THIS WOULD BE AN ELECTION FOR THE AGES IF SHE RAN AS AN INDEPENDANT…

    OH WELL…

  210. Know this is totally off-topic, but I just visited Larry Sinclair website. Before you roll your eyes, think about all of this in the present context. If any truth to this (and I tend to believe could be), it is strange that David Young, murdered popular (gay) long-standing choir director at BHO church had four cell phone numbers from three different states that had only been given to Obama campaign, not even this guy’s family. Why would Young call/contact him several times and shortly before his death? What did Young know and possibly relay to BHO/Axelrod?

    For all you naysayers that think this guy is a crackpot – I say not so fast. This could indeed be the story the LA Times has been sitting on for along time, and part of Hillary’s knowledge base.

    Don’t you remember how strange that on the Iowa election eve – this 20-year member of BHO’s church was brutally murdered execution-style? The fact that it was not reported for over 2 days smacked of cover-up at the time between BHO camp, Big Media, and Chicago PD. Additionally, I just read that two other gay men with links to the choir director Donald Young, were also murdered in the same manner within a week of each other. Hit jobs, I would say.

    If this were Hillary or McCain – Big Media would be all over this. What’s up with the investigation of this? Hope this guy has federal protection. He could hold the key. You never know.

    So what does Axelrod know? There was also something mentioned on website about a link to Axelrod’s family. I’m telling you – they want this thing wrapped up too quickly for a reason. What ‘s the rush? What might they be hiding?

  211. mj,
    I know you don’t like this idea from previous back-and-forths we’ve had.

    But tell me where the democratic party apparatus has helped Hillary in the primaries?

    What exactly are we talking about when we say apparatus?
    Donor/Voter lists? She has those already. What else?
    Are we talking bussing voters? Actually fixing votes? What?!

    Money & (proper use of) the internet could go a long way towards overcoming deficiencies.

    And again, unless I’m wrong, she’s a got a significant lead in a 3-way. No?

  212. skmf12,
    “cause we want her to fight.”

    It’s in her DNA, and for me one of the most liberating things would be the full-throated defense of Clintonism she could give without being bound by having to playing nice with the Daily Kooks in the party.

    Think about that.

  213. Like mayor mumbles in Boston, Blue. He really helped her take MA big. Yes, voter roles, and significant political players who know how to move votes. You need an apparatus.

  214. blue dem,

    DAMN RIGHT!
    HOW LIBERATING…

    and its my belief, that people somewhere in the middle, which are huge numbers, would be so excited.
    TALK ABOUT ‘HOPIUM’, NOW THIS WOULD BE A ‘NEW DIRECTION’,
    and ‘REAL CHANGE YOU COULD BELIEVE IN’, AND THIS WOULD BE NEW POLITICS.

    and i believe people would flock to this ‘EXCITING’ NEW election…

  215. curiosity,
    I read much of that Sinclair stuff with a very jaundiced eye. But the Young stuff intrigued me though details were spotty (and portions of the website were poor), but I didn’t even see the bit about the phone numbers. Who was he calling? What else is there?

  216. skmf,
    If forced to look at how you’d want it to end, I’d much prefer her to go down swinging with all her might, which she hasn’t been able to do once this entire campaign because of one restriction or another.
    and all along the Clinton years have gotten hammered, by repubs & BO, and it’s totally wrong & utterly disgraceful.
    I also think, as I said before, she could really embellish the ‘trailblazing’ theme, and people might even find a whole new respect for her as far as her determination.

    THEN THERE’S THE ISSUES. She remains the clear No. 1 choice on the economy now among the three of them, and things are only going to get worse with $200 barrels of oil by November.

    Please tell me where I’m wrong.

  217. our niehbor is a black lade
    very rich and republican

    she hates democrats ,

    i asked her who she is voting for
    she said::::no brainer our brother barack;;;;

    so i figured what media has been hiding from all of us ,,,,,they keep on saying ,,obama has gotten republican votes but they are not telling that HE IS GETTING BLACK REPUBLICAN VOTES …….

    MEDIA REALLY PUSHED HILLARY OFF THE FENCE

  218. May 9, 2008): Barack Obama’s 57 United States (LA Times)

    ——————————————————————————–

    http://WWW.latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash…-obama-wa.html

    Well, okay, 55 if you discount Florida and Michigan

    “It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.”

    Snip

    (UPDATE: At a later stop Obama was talking with reporters and expressed concern he’d also mis-stated the number of potential cyclone victims in Burma. He said, “”I hope I said 100,000 people the first time instead of 100 million. I understand I said there were 57 states today. It’s a sign that my numeracy is getting a little, uh.” At that point, an aide cut him off and ushered journalists out. Before he could mis-speak again?)

  219. See, now this pisses me off! From TIME’s ‘The Page”

    Outlines of Possible Obama-Clinton Deal

    Clinton agrees to leave the race in return for help paying off her campaign debt, a key role at the convention, and a guarantee that she becomes the lead Senate sponsor of the health care reform bill under a President Obama.

    My guess is this is BO campaign bullshit, one they like out there because it looks like they’re trying to please Hillary (rather than their obviously endorsed message delivered by Kennedy today) while it says Pres. Obama.

    Get the fuck outta here!

  220. Of course they would say that, Blue. They are trying to qaush her health care advantage. Bastards.

  221. blue dem,

    you are not wrong at all.
    SHE SHOULD SHAKE IT UP!
    IT WOULD BE A HISTORICAL MOVE…

    SHE WONT DO IT THOUGH…

    if she makes a deal like that with obama, i will turn my back on politics and never, ever look back. and i will have my respect for her shattered.
    i hope she would never talk to obama…

  222. skmf12 and Blue Dem:

    larrysinclair0926@wordpress.com

    All kinds of info / anti-BHO pro-Hillary bloggers / sounds like Levy was getting ready to drop a bomb, but judge shut him up in Rezko trial

    go check it out / must be lots of speculation that this is one of many ticking time bombs…………..

  223. MJ,

    Not to mention BO has said we won’t get a reform bill (meaning no attempt on his part) until 2012. Then they’d phase it in in 2020.

    “Bastards” 🙂 I notice you say that a lot, and with damn good reason.

  224. hi hillfans. i just got home to check my hillary news. is there any loyalties anymore in politics? we have sds switching from hillary left and right. THEY SHOULD DO AWAY WITH SD’S IN 2012 AND BEYOND. i am sick and tired of people not keeping their word and support whom they endorsed.

  225. i am gonna check cspan.org for any hillary rallies. it will boost my spirits seeing this wonderful lady speak.

  226. Blue Dem:

    None of the links I’m copying are transmitting. Just google – Larry Sinclair Obama Drug Scandal – and it will come up. I’m going back to read affidavit sent to Chicago PD on 4/1/08 about his contacts with Obama campaign and David Young’s contacts to him including questions about drugs and sexual encounters.

    Folks, I’m telling you – there is something to this. CHECK OUT THIS STUFF.

  227. Blue Dem:

    O’Reilly seems to make an awful lot of fuss about the sudden wealth of Wright (beyond that it is customary in certain churches for their pastors to retire in luxury). Maybe he’s trying to insinuate another slant to this sudden profitable “retirement” in this posh, gated community.

    He keeps talking about what a HUGE story this is. I’ve wondered why he thinks this is such a big deal. Maybe it’s part of a much grander scheme? Makes me wonder if the mansion and $10 million-dollar line of credit issued to Wright is his “hush” or pay-off money.

    Could be that there is more to the Wright-Obama parting-of-the-ways than meets the eye. Feel like a sleuth right now. Hmmmmm……………………………

  228. hillfans, i stepped out to get some cereal and chips for my late nite muchies. when i returned i got a segment of larry king. lanny davis and carol simpson was beating back liberal talkshow hosts hillary hater ed shultz and stepahnie miller. they were great!

  229. The hypocrisy in surrounding himself in a wealthy white neighborhood is certainly obvious. I just find it strange that O’Reilly puts as much stock in this part of the Wright story – retirement in absolute wealth – as his hate-mongering and race-baiting, and Anti-Americanism.

  230. hillfans, lanny davis have been wonderful on the talk show circuit for hillary. carville and begala also has been great. kiki mclean also have been out in full force on hillary’s behalf. they are up against almost all the liberal talkshow hosts on radio and tv except allan colms and lynn samuels.

  231. terrondt:

    Have you checked out any of this about Donald Young, Obama’s supposed gay choir director lover who was murdered Christmas Eve execution-style? Look at comments above.

  232. Heres hoping someones journalism bites Obama in the ass. Good read.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/082ktdyi.asp

    Jeremiah Wright’s ‘Trumpet’
    The content of the magazine produced by Barack Obama’s pastor reveals the content of his character.
    by Stanley Kurtz

    To the question of the moment–What did Barack Obama know and when did he know it?–I answer, Obama knew everything, and he’s known it for ages. Far from succumbing to surprise and shock after Jeremiah Wright’s disastrous performance at the National Press Club, Barack Obama must have long been aware of his pastor’s political radicalism. A careful reading of nearly a year’s worth of Trumpet Newsmagazine, Wright’s glossy national “lifestyle magazine for the socially conscious,” makes it next to impossible to conclude otherwise.

    Wright founded Trumpet Newsmagazine in 1982 as a “church newspaper”–primarily for his own congregation, one gathers–to “preach a message of social justice to those who might not hear it in worship service.” So Obama’s presence at sermons is not the only measure of his knowledge of Wright’s views. Glance through even a single issue of Trumpet, and Wright’s radical politics are everywhere–in the pictures, the headlines, the highlighted quotations, and above all in the articles themselves. It seems inconceivable that, in 20 years, Obama would never have picked up a copy of Trumpet. In fact, Obama himself graced the cover at least once (although efforts to obtain that issue from the publisher or Obama’s interview with the magazine from his campaign were unsuccessful).

  233. Seriously if Obama thinks there is 57 states, i wonder just what he’s on or does he really not have a clue about this country.

    That might be a mistake too far.

  234. $10 million-dollar line of credit issued to Wright is his “hush” or pay-off money.
    ———————————————–
    Asking wright to shut up is like asking a cat to bark–meaning it is not in his nature.

  235. Hey all!!! I gotta say I’ve had the best night in a looong time!! I woke up feeling great! Now before you start wondering if I’m sober, I’ll explain.

    I’ve found my silver lining.
    I get it now!!! With time running out, Hillary had to be seen as the looser(you know, IN and NC) and O as the big winner. Because if the race is seen as tight, the protecting powers of Obama would still protect him, and stop any bad story coming out about him.
    But now that he is the presumptive nominee, they feel safe! And will let their guards down. And now the shit will hit the fan!!! Seeing him as the nominee the repugs will go after him, especially now that he has gone after them, and it’s off!!!

    In the mean time Hillary will sneak forward with he popular vote, and as the one with the best chance of winning, and not bruised and battered as obama now will be!

    It had to happen this way, if the race was still really tight, none of the secrets of obama would have come out, but now it will!! Here lies my silver lining, and for the first time in months I FEEL GREAT!!! I’m sticking to it!!

  236. The people Obama ought to be worried about is Hillary supporters. If he gets the nomination we will cost him the election. When will he figure that one out? He needs to step down off his high horse and accept the vp slot. The guy cant read the right poll.

  237. Here is another reason to tank Obama if he were to become the nominee. Hillary can come back and run again four years from now.

    Oh Bambi oh bambi why should I tank thee let me count the ways.

    Terrendont is right. Bambi is a punk. But the electroral map does not lie.

  238. It would be best if Rassmusson stopped taking any polls whatsoever. His track record has been horrible.

  239. This is a good diary but it doesn’t show a ‘recommend’ button on eitther Firefox or Opera. I’ve recojmmended several others same session, no problem.

    h t t p : / /www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/10/2525/43509

  240. wbboei Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 5:33 am
    The people Obama ought to be worried about is Hillary supporters. If he gets the nomination we will cost him the election. When will he figure that one out? He needs to step down off his high horse and accept the vp slot. The guy cant read the right poll.

    Right! Good to see you back!

  241. Quitters Never Win

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    By Ellen R. Malcolm
    Saturday, May 10, 2008; Page A15

    When I was growing up in the 1960s, I wanted to play basketball. In those days, the rules said girls could dribble only three steps and then had to pass the ball. To make sure we didn’t overexert ourselves, we weren’t allowed to cross the half-court line. It’s a wonder our fans (our mothers) could stay awake when a typical game’s final score was 14-10.

    It’s remarkable that my generation of women entered the workforce and began to compete in business, politics and the hurly-burly of life outside the home. How did we ever learn to locate, much less channel, our competitive instincts in a world that made us play half-court and assumed that we would be content staying home to iron the shirts? It’s a tremendous tribute to women of my generation that we sucked it up and learned to compete in the toughest environments.

    Which brings us to Hillary Clinton running for president. This brilliant woman believes that she can compete for the most powerful office in the world. She believes that she can do a better job than any of the men running to lead our country through these challenging times. And millions of Americans, women and men, believe that she is correct.

    Yet over and over again the media and her opponents have claimed that she is defeated — it’s over, she can’t win, she’s a loser. And over and over again — in New Hampshire, on Super Tuesday, in Texas and Ohio, in Pennsylvania last month, and in Indiana this week — female voters poured out of their homes to cast their ballots for her. They know that women can compete, and they want to make sure that women, especially this woman, can win.

    It’s not surprising that low-income working women are the cornerstone of Hillary’s success. Many of these women live on the edge of disaster. A pink slip, a family member’s illness, a parent who can no longer live alone, a car that won’t start or a mortgage rate that goes up — all are threats that could devastate the family. And yet these women do what women have done for ages. They put on a confident face, feed their children breakfast and get them off to school. They don’t quit. They suck it up and fight back against whatever life throws their way.

    They see in Hillary Clinton a candidate who understands the pressures they face. As they watch her tough it out against all odds, refusing to quit and continuing to compete against whatever the media and her opponents throw her way, they see a woman as tough and resilient as they are. They clearly want her to win. Her victory, I believe, is their victory.

    So here we are in the fourth quarter of the nominating process and the game is too close to call. Once again, the opponents and the media are calling for Hillary to quit. The first woman ever to win a presidential primary is supposed to stop competing, to curtsy and exit stage right.

    Why on earth should one candidate quit before the contest is finished? Democrats need not be so fainthearted. Both of the party’s remaining candidates have raised tens of millions of dollars. Both have the respect of Democrats nationwide. Each has a progressive agenda that stands in stark contrast to Sen. John McCain and his adherence to Bush administration policies.

    So why are some Democrats so afraid? We simply need to count every vote, let the remaining states have their say and see the process through to its conclusion.

    Hillary Clinton certainly has the right to compete till the end. But I believe Hillary also has a responsibility to play the game to its conclusion. For the women of my generation who learned to find and channel their competitiveness, for the working women who never falter in the face of pressure, for the younger women who still believe women can do anything, Hillary is a champion. She’s shown us over and over that winners never quit and that quitters never win. We’ll cheer her on until the game is over. And we hope that when the final whistle blows, we will have elected the first female president and the best president our country has ever had.

    The writer is founder and president of Emily’s List.

  242. New post synthesizing HRC’s huge lead in WV polling, the fraudulent NC voter counts, Rasmussen’s gutless decision and our being only 3 days away from putting BHO squarely on his bony electoral ass:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=596#596

    Time to make sure there is no voter suppression (which seems a common theme for this rogue Obama outfit) in West Virginia.

    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal”
    VillarrealSports.com

  243. Good Morning everyone, I am finally back. My granddaughter was born yesterday at 1:02 by C-section. She was 7 lbs and 19 in. My daughter is fine, but exhausted. I am too.
    Glad to see everyone has kept up the good fight while I was gone. I am at work, as my MCP boss has scheduled me to work the weekend, when I asked for vacation time for the birth.
    We women need to keep fighting against the misogynistic work places. I am so mad bc the lets the men off anytime they want. We women are here to work and we do it. Someday women we get equal rights and equal pay, it will come when Hillary is elected!

  244. Basil9, I loved that video of him saying he had been to 57 states, hum, well he still one wants to count 48 of them!

  245. CONFLOYD!!!!!!
    CONGRATS on your grandbaby! What a BIG girl!

    Everyone: This was too good to pass up.
    This was too funny not to pass along.

    From Lchris on TM, here are SOME of Waffles 10 Commandments
    .
    1.
    I am the Barack Obama your God, who brought you out of the land of USofKKK, out of the house of slavery;
    2.
    You shall have no other typical white person gods before me;
    3.
    You shall not make for yourself an idol out of your bitterness or clingyness;
    4.
    You shall not use of the middle name of your God;
    5.
    Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy by attending a church that preaches violence and hatred towards the rich evil white man;
    6.
    Honor your drunk, abusive father and ignore your white mother unless it is politically expedient. Throw your devoted Grandmother under the bus;
    7.
    You shall not encourage nor condone murder unless it is directed at my political opponent;
    8.
    You shall not mention my acts of adultery, my prolific lies, my hate-spewing mentor of 20 years, any incidents that expose my poor judgment, my involvement in Kenya’s ethnic cleansing, nor may you distribute photos from my website or question me at all about anything as you will be tarnished as a racist.
    9.
    You shall not steal votes nor money except in your service to get me elected.
    10.
    You shall bear as much false witness against my opponent, her spouse, her campaign and supporters, as possible.
    11.
    You shall not covet my entitlement to the White House
    12.
    You shall not covet my wife’s pride in this country.
    LChris | 05.10

  246. Call me a racist, if you are so inclined, but I know I am not. In all due respect to all of my black friends, Barack has done better in many states not because he is the better candidate but because he is the blackest candidate. I believe that’s not really debatable.

    In many respects this next month comprises the most exciting part of the entire campaign. I’m hopeful, and almost confident, Hillary will overcome the petty politics of the far left and win this thing.

    My only regret is this is also an extremely busy time for me. I can’t even follow it as closely as I would like. However, I will stick with it to the extent I am able. I’m glad to have had even this much contact with such a great group of people.

  247. I just updated that last VS post to include the proper “Obi Wan McGovern” reference which it so richly deserves.

    Our party is on the verge of giving Adlai Stevenson, Jr. the full go-ahead. Can you believe this?

    The saddest part is, I bet people like Big Teddy K have managed to convince themselves that they are truly supporting BHO not because of their fear of having their families’ legacies forever diminished by the Clintons, but because they are able to lie to themselves and say that BHO is more electable! LOL!

    I haven’t seen a party “off” itself like this since Don Cornelius decided to book Pat Boone for Freaknik. Yeesh!

    As Spikal Lee might say in a directorial move that betrays his lack of film making skill because he wasn’t deft enough to work it into the normal flow of School Daze: “WAAAAAAAAAAAAKE UP!!!!!”

    Superdelegates, no matter how much you desperately want to be an activist body here and not a pragmatic one, it is over: Barack Obama is unelectable, and even a cyclops in the land of the three-eyed can see that.

    If you still force this man through after being fully aware of the Dems’ plight if he is nominated, then methinks many of you will, shortly after November, find yourselves as “unemployable” as Barack is unelectable.

    Better choose wisely. I think that’s what Hackson, Jr. told John Lewis, isn’t it?

    Yep — you all better choose very wisely. We know you’re reading and I think most here would back me up in saying that we would hate to see you all go hari-kari on your own political aspirations just because you thought you couldn’t risk the anger of a sub-group of approximately 11% of the national electorate. I think making judgments based on such paltry figures is, at best, highly questionable.

    So “Whatcha Gonna Do?,” superdelegates, when West Virginia runs wild on you?

    Ha ha ha.

    Choose wisely.

  248. was reading the news, “Hillary’s Democrats Up for Grabs” Jeez! Hillary’s Democrats are STICKING with HER GET IT!

  249. URGENT, REQUIRES IMMEDIATE ATTENTION

    Are we just gonna sit here and blog about it or are we gonna DO something?! Hillary is fighting hard for us, now let’s fight for her!!

    EVERYONE: PLEASE DEVOTE AT LEAST 1 HOUR TO MAKING CALLS TO WV and OR TODAY, TOMORROW AND MONDAY!!! Come back here later today and report your success. Inspire others to do the same!

    the narrative: Hill is in it to win it. She CAN still win this if she takes over the popular vote! Tell them that every SINGLE vote matters!!! THEY can make history!

    Hill needs us more than ever. Now let’s channel some positive energy and make a difference! The absolute sweetest revenge is a HUGE WIN!!

    SO TODAY: MAKE CALLS, MAKE CALLS, MAKE CALLS!!!

  250. when you make calls, ensure that the nomination is far from being secure and the importance of coming out large and strong will send a message to the DNC that Hillary is the candidate

  251. The CHANGE PARTY – Everywhere USA

    This came to me last night as I was bemoaning the MSM and pundits.
    Please help!!! There is very little time to make this happen. I am going to post this
    on Hillaryis44 and TaylorMarsh and ask others to post it elsewhere. We are mad as hell at Donna Brazile and the schizophrenic Democratic Party and we won’t take
    it any more!!!
    We are going to form an unofficial new party – the CHANGE PARTY. We want change,
    but not all change is good; so, we are going to make our own change. Will you please
    help us? The crude first outline is below:

    Deployment Plan for our new PARTY OF CHANGE

    I. Recruit, recruit, and recruit
    a. set up a safe zone for troops [Brazila Guerillas]
    b. obtain names, addresses and emails of troops
    c. create database of contacts
    d. ask for other groups who are doing similar efforts to help
    recruit their troops
    e. email all troops with updates
    f. troops are asked to be 100% loyal and energetic to the Plan

    II. Learn about and use “Guerilla Marketing” methods [Google GM]
    a. form teams
    b. get proficient at one or two “Guerilla Marketing “ tactics
    c. then employ, employ, employ, employ

    III. Write a letter and email to our Friends in the media
    a. about our organization
    b. about our goals
    c. about our plan
    d. ask for help
    e. obtain names to signature the letter

    IV. Press Releases
    a. to local newspapers
    b. to any online newspapers
    c. to NOW
    d. to LULAC
    e. to

    V. Word of Mouth
    a. blog sites, lots and lots of blog sites
    b. community events
    c.

    VI. fliers [I will make these and email them to you, you print them out]
    a. on cars in parking lots, where approved
    b. newsletters
    c. in store windows
    d. on your cars
    e. at work
    f. throughout your community

    VII. Home Owners Associations [??? or other affiliations]

    VIII.Get those knowledgable of web videos to make YouTube videos
    a. You Can’t Win Without Me, video [I Can’t Smile Without You -Barry Manilow]
    b. We can make our own CHANGE, thank you!
    c. Ch-ch-ch-CHANGE [don’t remember the artist]
    d. We Made It Through the Rain [Barry Manilow]
    e.

    IX. Change Party Affiliations on May 21st
    a. pledge to change to an Independent Registered voter before or on May 21st
    [even if only for the General Election]
    b. obtain names for signatures on press release re CHANGE
    c. Our new party is formed!!!! The PARTY OF CHANGE

    X. Rally at the Rules & Regs Meeting on May 31st.
    a. align with others who are going to rally that day
    b. make signs!!!!!!!! We are the new coalition – the party of CHANGE!!!
    c. chant LOUDLY
    1. CH-CH-CH-CHANGE!
    2.

    XI. Watch them squirm
    a. Our now favorite MSM media guy is LOU DOBBS
    b. Write a letter to him now and ask for his support
    c. Ask him to help us find out if the RNC would value us
    as voters since Donna Brazile says that the
    Democratic Party now has a NEW coalition
    and no longer values the OLD coalition
    [seniors, Latinos, blue collar whites, etc]

    XII. What else do we need?

    If you wish to be a part of this, or have comments please email cgreer10@cfl.rr.com

  252. Here is the proposed letter to Lou Dobbs. I need you to email your info to me, name, email, address asap:

    Lou Dobbs,
    Lou Dobbs Tonight
    CNN News

    Dear Mr. Dobbs,

    There are hundreds upon hundreds of us, if not thousand upon thousand.
    We are mad as hell at Donna Brazile and the schizophrenic Democratic Party and we won’t take it any more!!! On air and in an email sent to one of our supporters, Donna
    Brazile outlined that there is a NEW coalition of the Democratic Party. The New
    Coalition members are: the youth, African Americans, and the white elite. She
    even told our supporter through her email that if you are unhappy [orby extension not one of our New Coalition] – just “stay home” on the general election. The OLD coalition whose members are: seniors, whites without college educations, blue collar whites, and Latinos are no longer welcome in the Democratic Party – or more insanely, not even wanted. Big mistake on her part! We are united now.

    We won’t stay home, but we will make our own change – CHANGE we can believe in! We are going to form an unofficial new party – the CHANGE PARTY. We want change, but not all change is good and some change really, really scares us; so, we are going to make our own change. Will you please help us?

    We are calling ourselves the CHANGE Party, we have named ourselves “Brazilla Guerillas” and we are in force. We are asking for you to be our MSM voice as all
    others have objectified us. Will you help?

    Names of our CHANGE Party members, the Brazilla Guerillas:

    Carolyn Greer

  253. Confloyd:

    Congratulations on the birth of your granddaughter! Pray that all are doing well, including your hubby.

  254. As certain as the sun rises in the east, the pope is Catholic, etc., we can guarantee that almost every voting Latino will vote Republican if Obama is the Democratic nominee. A sizable portion of the conservative pro-family (anti-abortion) Catholic population is Latino; and this bloc has been voting Republican for the last few election cycles since the Democrats started to move to the left after Bill Clinton. Add to this the animosity between the AAs and Latinos as already mentioned. The result, the loss of these voters for Obama. Texas is red, so this won’t matter. He will lose Florida for other reasons and its Cuban Latinos already vote Republican. Arizona is McCain territory. So it will cost him in NM which is a swing state, and CA. Hillary took CA so he will have to fight hard to carry it. Losing the Latino won’t help him there. Chances are he won’t carry it. His coalition of AAs and liberal whites won’t be enough. As in most states.

  255. AlAll you under 65 crowd out there,can’t possibly remember or have lived in integrated ethnic neighborhoods as we old bucks.We all lived in peace,ate together,played together,went to school together and wore hand me down clothes ,even to church.It was all normal and ok as long as we were clean and acted with pride,civility and were pious.We shared what little food our mothers could prepare and make it look,taste,smell like everyday was Thanksgiving Day.They were tough butt happy times because we were all friends and equals.Quite the opposite was true then and even today in the troubled confederacy.their flag still flies on many capitols and pickups.Much progress has been made by brave and wise men like MLK and many white leaders that stood with him in his crusade for equality.Civil and political equality has to accepted,nurtured,discussed and imposed in small bits that are negotiated for fairness and balance.It takes all races,all religions,and all people to see it become a fair and balanced reality.It was at one time easy and progressively smooth sailing,until recent years.Along come OBAMA,a black and white young man,unsure of which fork in the political road would bear the most political fruit along with the power and wealth that he desired.Lo and behold,along came Tony REZCO and Jeramiah WRIGHT,political and religious men with money,connections,and the power needed to guide him through the evil empire and the shame of this country,CHICAGO,IL.Money from Tony,20 years of brain washing by uncle Jerry and the frenzy of the crowds at his Temple of Doom and Gloom,set the stage for this very dangerous scenariothat is now billed as OBAMA’s race for the Oval Office.BHO has a major problem facing him and wife Michelle,The REPUBLICAN MEAT GRINDER IS WAITING at the gates of hell for them. This wole production has been years in the planning for both parties but along comes the brightest star of any political event in our lives.Well RNC,DNC(the snookered ones)and MSM have reached a decision to take our election process and turn it on its head and become the second Supreme court for the decisions making that is best for the poor misguided souls that want the Democratic way of life that reached it’s best day’s under Bill Clinton and The best first Lady ever.I have lived through it all folks and my instant recall is still alive and well,The fire in my Belly burns hotter than everMy Mind is willing but the flesh has diminished and fighting now means BLOGGING to my hearts content.Great people of our America ,KEEP FIGHTING,your future andyour families need you. My quote as always.

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”

    Go Dear Hillary.I have tears and endless praters for you.

    BY ABM90

  256. Keep in mind the managing of news cycles is far from over; in fact it’s in it’s most critical stage as the BO forces try to put what they see as the final nails in the coffin.
    Along those lines, and prominently displayed at friendly venues like Talking Points Memo is now this poll, which seeks to cut into Hill’s argument about who runs best against McCain.

    LA Times/Bloomberg poll, conducted May 1-8:

    Clinton 47, McCain 38, Undecided 11.
    Obama 46, McCain 40, Undecided 9.

    If the past is any indication, expect a another bullshit ‘bombshell’ of one kind or another before tomorrow’s MTP, so Timmeh can have some bogus shit to confront TMAC with (along with the AP ‘white voters” bull, which I’d bet my life is going to get mentioned).
    If McAuliffe is smart he’ll mention NC’s phantom votes, and a hell of a lot more!!!

  257. Bless you ABM90. May you live long enough to see your dream come true. Hillary may be down but she is far from out. We are still fighting strong. Pray brother.

    If we can’t get the woman to fix our village this time round, we’ll get it next. “There is always the next bus.”

  258. Larry Sinclair Obama Drug Scandal

    Google the above statement and take your seat. Late last night read through LS affadavit submitted to Chicago PD on 4/1/08, and their response 4/23/08. Site Addresses execution-style murder on Christmas Eve of Trinity United Church of Christ’s popular, gay 20-year choir director David Young and cover-up by Obama camp, Big Media and Chicago PD for over two days. This on Eve of Iowa caucus, whre BHO launched national political career.

    Affadavit reveals alleged conversations between these parties, Obama and WRIGHT. Does not include other details that are under seal. The supposed “love triangle” story pushed at the time reveals that two other gay men associated with Young were both murdered same way within a week of Young’s murder. All Chicago hits IMO. Anti-Obama and pro-Hillary commentary blogs prevail.

    This very well could be part of what is the ticking time bomb behind the scenes. Don’t laugh that this has been in publications like GLOBE, ENQUIRER, etc. Many times these publications are only ones that can touch because of blackout on Big Media.

    Puts question of Wright’s huge gated-community mansion and $10 million “line of credit” into a whole new light for me. Gives me pause to think O’Reilly may be trying to insinuate something here more than the sheer hypocrisy of Wright’s hate for White Greed. Could this actually be hush money or payoff th Wright?

    Although polygraph was reported to be negative, also alleged that BHO hired those who interpreted. LS has been made to look like a flake in order to discredit everything. But he attests that Young was trying to find out who all he had told about he and Obama, and that Young indicated relationship with Obama.

    Hope this guy has federal protection. This might also explain why SD aren’t all moving en masse to BHO.

    Again, google “Larry Sinclair Obama Drug Scandal”.

    CHECK IT OUT

  259. From telegraph.co.uk (via DKOS)

    A senior Democrat strategist, familiar with discussions at the highest levels of the Obama camp, has revealed that Mr Obama is now confident of the support of around 120 of the remaining 260 undeclared superdelegates.
    His aides believe he will only need between 70 and 80 to be sure of the nomination if he wins the Oregon, Montana and South Dakota primaries as expected later this month.
    Out of respect for Hillary Clinton many have insisted that their allegiance remains private until after the final primary election on June 3.
    Others will go public to maintain Mr Obama’s momentum if Mrs Clinton, as expected, wins a handsome victory in West Virginia on Tuesday.

    ** What’s significant here is I continue to see NOTHING that indicates BO will have enough to get to the REAL delegate number, 2,209 (or 2,225, depending on whom you believe).

    And so the question remains, what will those other 200 delegates do when BO declares victory (assuming, as the campaign has indicated, Hillary does not agree)?

    I have to assume since BO still can’t ‘count’ them, and they haven’t publicly declared, that this will be the big decision.
    Even though to my mind even such an announcement wouldn’t be binding and we should book travel for Denver anyway.

    What say you?

  260. paddy4Hill, the sad part of this election is that Howard Dean and CO believe that any democrat can win in Novemember because of the economics. they don’t really think the electibility is the major factor to choose a niminee.

  261. paddy4Hill, I hope if they nominate BHO. GOP swipe The White house, senate and the white house. The first thing they do is to get rid of the affirmation act.

  262. blue; MI and FL are not going to factor into the total, which is why, they are going with the 2025 number.

    They are pushing Hillary out. Interesting, they are not considering PR.

  263. I say Hillary should stay in the race, not conceding anything until FL & MI votes are counted and 2,209 is reached. When talking heads laugh half-heartily about HRC “waiting for a bomb” to drop, that is EXACTLY why she can’t drop out.

    There are many more bombs to drop and at the very least, suspending her campaign would keep her delegates intact and clear the path to the nomination when scandal(s) begin to unfold, one right behind the other.

    In the political arena where a one day cycle is like a year, no way will HRC relinquish her delegates. Nor should she. I still say there is more than meets the eye as to why BHO camp rushing this. They may say it’s to start campaign against McCain, but they want to clinch nomination officially before next big shoe drops, so that DNC will have to stick with him, regardless.

    Patrick Fitzgerald may be dealing with a whole lot more than the Rezko trial. If fact, entry under Larry Sinclair website indicates that when testifying, Levy was fixing to drop a bomb (about BHO relationships?), but judge shut him up. What could that be about?

  264. Curiosity,

    Amy J. St. Eve, U.S. District Court Judge for the Northern District of Illinois, is the presiding judge for the federal fraud case against indicted political fixer Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

    Hon. Amy J. St. Eve’s U.S. Department of Justice bio :

    * Nominated by George W. Bush on March 21, 2002, to a seat vacated by George W. Lindberg; Confirmed by the Senate on August 1, 2002, and received commission on August 2, 2002.

    * Associate Independent Counsel, Whitewater Investigation Under Ken Starr.

  265. Birdgal,
    Right. Except the campaign, with Wolfson on record, disagrees.

    Posturing you think? I mean, what are they gonna do?

  266. blue: have all the SDs move to him. Also, Rassmussen stopping the daily tracking polls, gives Hillary less ammunition to the SDs, regarding how she would perform better against McCain. Although, the electoral college map speaks volumes.

  267. Birdgal,
    Ok, so you see a mass exodus (even Hill’s?) of SD’s.

    And you think Hillary then does what?

  268. meiyingsu – you can see the same thing for other people running for office this year – scary – and the DNC still wants Obama? I dont quite get it?!?!?!?!?!

  269. justmeinmountdorafl, the delusion to get the first Black president trump everything to them. and worse they really beleive BHO has a shot in the white house.

  270. marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/reality_principle_watch_a_clin.php

    be sure to put h t t p before this (ADMIN USE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

    Power Point Presentation from Hillary about why Superdelegates should support her, very convincing!

  271. Jake Tapper:

    Obama-Backing Congressman Compares Hillary Clinton to Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction’

    May 10, 2008 9:04 AM

    Chris Rock said it last month: “It’s going to be hard for Barack to be president. … Hillary’s not going to give up. She’s like Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction.'”

    Then NPR political editor Ken Rudin made the joke, saying on “CNN Sunday Morning” that Clinton was “Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction’ — she’s going to keep coming back, and they’re not going to stop her.” (Rudin later apologized.)

    This week, Obama-backing Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., said on local television, when asked about Sen. Clinton, that “Glenn Close should have just stayed in the tub.”

    All were referring to Close playing the insane, deluded Alex Forrest — the wronged “other woman” who refuses to accept her fate and just go away, and becomes suicidal and homicidal. (And also rabbit-cidal.)

    There is understandably a lot of sensitivity (and sometimes not enough sensitivity) when it comes to Clinton’s gender, Sen. Barack Obama’s race, and Sen. John McCain’s age.

    The “Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction'” analogy brings with it a whole carousel’s worth of baggage given the meme at the time of the release of “Fatal Attraction” that, as the late great Pauline Kael wrote in The New Yorker at the time, the “film is about men seeing feminists as witches.”

    “Fatal Attraction,” Kael wrote, “parrots the aggressively angry, self-righteous statements that have become commonplaces of feminist fiction, and they’re so inappropriate to the circumstances that they’re proof she’s loco. They’re also the director Adrian Lyne’s and the screenwriter James Dearden’s hostile version of feminism.”

    No matter how you slice it, Alex Forrest was the movie’s villain, like Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers. I’d posit at the very least that it’s not keeping with Obama’s lofty campaign rhetoric to compare Clinton’s tenacity to psychosis. And it will indubitably further alienate women voters whom Obama needs to bring to his side once the Democratic race concludes.

    – jpt

  272. BTW, we’re already seeing a (significant) lessening of campaign coverage, just as before all the other times Hill was about to win!

    Hello! Anybody out there! I’m freakin’ a bit today!

  273. I haven’t been watching any news. I don’t need to hear more Hillary bashing. The media is marginalizing her.

  274. From TM:

    The Los Angeles Times finds that West Virginia could spell trouble for Obama; a few of his supporters are worried about his electability in November and, according to Merle Black, professor of politics and government at Emory University, “In addition to the race factor, you’ve got huge cultural differences between them and Obama on guns and religion and many of the issues that would make those voters think he doesn’t represent their interests.” As irony would have it, white male voters are the most sought after voting bloc:

    Obama’s support among white male voters, the most tightly contested bloc over the primary season, has slipped. He did well early on in states such as Virginia, where he took 52% of the white male vote to Clinton’s 47%. But this week, Obama lost, 58% to 42%, among white men in Indiana and 55% to 42% in North Carolina. He has won majorities of white male voters in 10 states since January, but Clinton bested him in 13 others, including the critical northern battlegrounds of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

    Senator Clinton is expected to win West Virginia, and comfortably, but a big win is only significant if it also narrows the gap in the popular vote. Bill Clinton was in Madison yesterday; he warned the crowd not to fall for media chatter that would have this race all but decided and argued that a large turnout in the state could help Sen. Clinton clinch the nomination:

    “We gotta have your help and get the largest number of people to show up on election day. See all this stuff you are hearing about is an attempt to discourage you. That’s what this is, pure and simple, hoping, well, Hillary can get eighty percent of the vote in West Virginia, and if only 100,000 people show up it is not enough. But if 600,000 people show up, and you say we want a president than you will see the earth move. You can do it.”

    Call, donate, knock on doors, volunteer your time. It’s time to make the earth move.

  275. CHARLESTON, W. Va. (WSAZ) — A new tracking poll out late Tuesday shows Hillary Clinton with a sizable advantage among registered Democrat and independent voters in West Virginia over opponent Barack Obama. The poll was completed prior to the decisions in North Carolina and Indiana.

    56% of those surveyed indicate they will vote for Clinton compared to 18% for Obama. There are 26% undecided voters, according to the poll of 403 voters by Mark Blankenship Enterprises. Compared to a previous MBE poll in February, Clinton is up 13%, while Obama’s numbers haven’t changed.

    A Rasmussen Reports poll showed Clinton with a 56%-27% advantage over Obama Monday in West Virginia.

    The entire Clinton family will be in different parts of West Virginia over the next several days. Hillary Clinton plans to attend a rally at the state capitol in Charleston Thursday morning.

    Today, Sen. Clinton adjusted her schedule and will be attending a “Solutions for the American Economy” rally at Shepherd University at noon with her daughter Chelsea.

    Former President Bill Clinton will make stops in Phillippi, Sutton, Fayetteville, Lewisburg and Mercer County Thursday.

    Barack Obama is also expected to make a trip to West Virginia over the next week.

    West Virginia will stand alone in the national spotlight Tuesday, May 13th as the only state to vote.

    The MBE poll also looks ahead to the fall election against the presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain. Of the Democrats and independent voters surveyed, Clinton shows up better against McCain in West Virginia. 62% of Democrats and independents indicated they would vote for Clinton over 24% for McCain. In a head to head matchup between Obama and McCain in WV, Obama received 37% support compared to McCain’s 35%.

  276. Yes, the Larry Sinclair/Donald Young situation is one of the Swords of Damocles hanging over Obama, just as what Levy was going to say in court apparently was/is, too.

    Go here and you can see for yourself if you believe Sinclair’s telling of the story:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=358

    Obama is Humpty Dumpty, and not only can he not be put back together again, his shell is in line for some more serious cracking.

    As we speak, GOP 527’s are being formed to take him down. Hillary would be immune from such a move because of “Clinton Scandal Fatigue.” Her unfavorables can only go down, while Obama’s can — and have, and will — go skyrocketing up.

    Donald Young seems to be the Obama equivalent of Kwame Kilpatrick’s Manoogian mansion strippers. If you don’t know what I’m talking about please go look it up. It’s ugly.

    If I were Sinclair, I would continue to shout from the mountaintops about what he knows. Not just in an effort to hurt Obama, either, but because it’s a lot harder to take out a nationally-known figure than it is two Tamara Greenes.

    I can’t even begin to tell you how many hits I get on my site from Chicago and prestigious Obama-affiliated and Rezko-affiliated law firms and agencies in and around the Windy City.

    We’ve had that Sinclair video up for around a month, have been featuring that video all that time, while supposedly top-flight news organizations have passed on it, on purpose.

    Don’t think all of this has escaped the Chicago Cabal’s notice.

    They know how dirty the Obamas are, and who they run with. What they’re not sure of is how much people such as Admin or myself know about Obama’s dirt. And that scares the heck out of them.

    So they hover around the site every day, looking for breaks in what they know to be an impending dam collapse. Obama has skeletons coming out of his ears he’s so filled up with them.

    Some pols and situations, things are actually not nearly as bad as they look when you do the investigative work. You find out that all the huff and bluff was vastly overstated.

    With Obama — as has been the case with Kilpatrick — the more you dig, the worse it gets and the more you are faced with the inescapable conclusion that this guy doesn’t give a sh*t about anything but himself and his power. Frozen tenants of Rezko, campaign opponents’ sex scandals leaked, calling successful Democratic Presidents and their families racists, whatever. None of it matters to Obama and the Chicago Posse. They don’t give a f*ck, to borrow a line from ’90’s Gangsta Rap.

    Obama’s greatest single asset is his ability to smile while he and his associates are plunging the knife. Because of his well-spokenness, youth and charisma, people don’t even know they’re being stabbed until it is too late. And then if they say “Help, I’ve been stabbed!,” the response is something like “there you go, blaming blacks for all knife wounds.”

    As most know here, and McCain has just found out with the ‘losing his bearings’ remarks directed towards him, this is war. If you turn your back one second on the Chicago Posse you will end up with a bullet-riddled jacket.

    Thuggery is the order of the day and the race card is the amulet to ward off appropriate and justified countermeasures.

    Anybody who doesn’t already know this or isn’t willing to admit and come to grips with it during the next 3-5 months is already too far gone, like one of the people who have been implanted with an egg in the Alien movie series.

    The Dukakis II, Barack-Ain’t-Done-Doo-Doo-For-You cult-alition is dead-set on shoving this guy down the SDs’ throats. They have neither truth nor justice on their side here, but they don’t care. Have Kool Aid, will drink and all.

    There is much work yet to be done.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    http://villarrealsports.com

  277. Yes, the Larry Sinclair/Donald Young situation is one of the Swords of Damocles hanging over Obama, just as what Levy was going to say in court apparently was/is, too.

    Go here and you can see for yourself if you believe Sinclair’s telling of the story:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=358

    Obama is Humpty Dumpty, and not only can he not be put back together again, his shell is in line for some more serious cracking.

    As we speak, GOP 527’s are being formed to take him down. Hillary would be immune from such a move because of “Clinton Scandal Fatigue.” Her unfavorables can only go down, while Obama’s can — and have, and will — go skyrocketing up.

    Donald Young seems to be the Obama equivalent of Kwame Kilpatrick’s Manoogian mansion strippers. If you don’t know what I’m talking about please go look it up. It’s ugly.

    If I were Sinclair, I would continue to shout from the mountaintops about what he knows. Not just in an effort to hurt Obama, either, but because it’s a lot harder to take out a nationally-known figure than it is two Tamara Greenes.

    I can’t even begin to tell you how many hits I get on my site from Chicago and prestigious Obama-affiliated and Rezko-affiliated law firms and agencies in and around the Windy City.

    We’ve had that Sinclair video up for around a month, have been featuring that video all that time, while supposedly top-flight news organizations have passed on it, on purpose.

    Don’t think all of this has escaped the Chicago Cabal’s notice.

    They know how dirty the Obamas are, and who they run with. What they’re not sure of is how much people such as Admin or myself know about Obama’s dirt. And that scares the heck out of them.

    So they hover around the site every day, looking for breaks in what they know to be an impending dam collapse. Obama has skeletons coming out of his ears he’s so filled up with them.

    Some pols and situations, things are actually not nearly as bad as they look when you do the investigative work. You find out that all the huff and bluff was vastly overstated.

    With Obama — as has been the case with Kilpatrick — the more you dig, the worse it gets and the more you are faced with the inescapable conclusion that this guy doesn’t give a sh*t about anything but himself and his power. Frozen tenants of Rezko, campaign opponents’ sex scandals leaked, calling successful Democratic Presidents and their families racists, whatever. None of it matters to Obama and the Chicago Posse. They don’t give a f*ck, to borrow a line from ’90’s Gangsta Rap.

    Obama’s greatest single asset is his ability to smile while he and his associates are plunging the knife. Because of his well-spokenness, youth and charisma, people don’t even know they’re being stabbed until it is too late. And then if they say “Help, I’ve been stabbed!,” the response is something like “there you go, blaming blacks for all knife wounds.”

    As most know here, and McCain has just found out with the ‘losing his bearings’ remarks directed towards him, this is war. If you turn your back one second on the Chicago Posse you will end up with a bullet-riddled jacket.

    Thuggery is the order of the day and the race card is the amulet to ward off appropriate and justified countermeasures.

    Anybody who doesn’t already know this or isn’t willing to admit and come to grips with it during the next 3-5 months is already too far gone, like one of the people who have been implanted with an egg in the Alien movie series.

    The Dukakis II, Barack-Ain’t-Done-Doo-Doo-For-You cult-alition is dead-set on shoving this guy down the SDs’ throats. They have neither truth nor justice on their side here, but they don’t care. Have Kool Aid, will drink and all.

    There is much work yet to be done.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    http://www.villarrealsports.com

  278. If ever we needed callers to call WV and get out the vote, this is the time!!!! Please do whatever you can to help!!! THanks!

  279. Berkeley Vox, we need to focus on W. Virginia, KTY, and Oregon – Oregon is on the verge of going either way

  280. HI gang,

    just checkin in to remind everyone: WV, KY, OR and then on to the WH!

    Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President

    piss off the media and keep up the campaign.
    😆

  281. This has probably been posted already, but I want it handy. GOTV is something I might manage to phone about.

    Can someone give a link where I can phone without revealng my own phone id?

    Bill Clinton to West Virginia and KY:
    “We gotta have your help and get the largest number of people to show up on election day. See all this stuff you are hearing about is an attempt to discourage you. That’s what this is, pure and simple, hoping, well, Hillary can get eighty percent of the vote in West Virginia, and if only 100,000 people show up it is not enough. But if 600,000 people show up, and you say we want a president than you will see the earth move. You can do it.”

  282. Along the lines of what I am saying, here is another name you will hear about ceaselessly between, at minimum, August and November if Obama is nominated:

    Raila Odinga

    Odinga is Obama’s cousin, and a thuggish warlord-type who, at minimum, made no legitimate effort to halt the violence inflicted upon Kenyans by other Kenyans after Odinga lost an election in December of ’07.

    Ok, so he’s Obama’s cousin, so what?

    No, that’s a Obamanian wannabe Jedi Mind Trick answer.

    “So what” is that Dick Morris was dispatched to Kenya to help Odinga win. You know, the Dick Morris that likes whores’ toes and who hates the Clintons.

    Obama campaigned for Odinga in Kenya; he lent his visage to all manner of Odinga campaign paraphernalia so as to help Cuz Raila get some free ‘heat’ from the association with the Illinois pol.

    If Obama had one ounce of responsibility in him, he would have realized that Odinga will pull the trigger on deadly riots when he doesn’t get his way.

    Instead, Obama decided to ‘unite’ with Odinga’s campaign, in various capacities.

    Which means he’s now officially on record as having stumped for a man who could have prevented the deaths of hundreds, at least.

    But nope — Odinga chose the “Nuclear Option,” so to speak.

    Nice judgment, Barack.

    And when reports of the riots and deaths hit Obama, he went and placed his calls and asked Cuz Railia to rein things in or else it would hurt Cuz Barack.

    Cuz Raila, it seems, told Cuz Barack “Nope;” he basically said, apparently, you’re only concerned with your own hide so please don’t try to lecture me about how to save mine.

    Or something along those lines.

    The riots continued, and one of their chief enablers — Barack Hussein Obama — sat an ocean away, full of hope and change and yet unable to prevent the loss of even one life that resulted from the chain-reaction he helped to set-off when he decided to back a thug like Odinga, and DAMN the consequences.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  283. W.Va: It Counts, Deal With It
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:06:03 PM EST
    Tags: West Virginia ’08 (all tags) Share This:
    BTD referenced MyDD’s post by Jerome on West Virginia earlier. I have more to say about it. I want to highlight his lead-in:

    I’d humbly suggest, to all the Obama supporters that join us here on this blog, that if you can’t stand the heat of the West Virginia primary, you stay out of the kitchen. While I’m at it, I also suggest that you refrain from accusations against West Virginians as being racist, or you’ll join the other 6 previous users here, whose offensive comments were deleted on Friday, and that were themselves banned from the site. …You don’t like that? Fine, its a big wide blogosphere, go find a blog that has its head in the sand. Are the ground rules understood?

    CNN just flashed a poll showing Hillary ahead with 66% of the vote. It said a big W. VA win will show that “a lot of Democrats aren’t ready to get on Obama’s bandwagon.”

    CNN says W.Va. used to be solidly Democratic until 2000 when George Bush took it. Social issues are big there. Guns are even bigger. The LA Times also says W. Va could spell trouble for Obama in November.[More…]

    One other note

  284. wow the Governor of West Virginia will campaign with Hillary on 05/12/08

    05/12: Join Hillary Clinton at an Old Fashioned Political Rally with Governor Joe Manchin in Fairmont

  285. Hey, Hillfans.

    I just got back from an outing with some friends of mine who also support Hillary. One of them made a lot of bumper stickers saying “Honk for Hillary!” and gave me about ten, and another one gave me the remainder of official “African Americans for Hillary” buttons from a rally a few weeks ago (about 10 also).

    Does anybody want some or all of these? You can e-mail me at my temporary e-mail address, laissezflair@yahoo.com

    (It’s okay that I’m posting the e-mail because it’s only a temp one, so who cares what jerks may send? 😀 )

  286. Hey, dot48 – You live in WV, right? Have you been deputized to register people to vote there? I found out today that the process is really easy, and we need more people doing it. It’s like selling girl scout cookies…you stand outside a grocery store, and when people come by, you ask them to register to vote and then you give them a Hillary sticker on their way out.

    Or is too late to register people to vote for the primary in WV.

    What about Kentucky?

  287. Report w/excerpts from last night’s speech;

    courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080510/NEWS0106/805100487

  288. good morning hill fans

    i am mad as hell like always because i wake up and turn on the tv and i hear stupid news bashing hillary ,,

    so here i am

    calm me down

    pls

  289. no bad news pls

    i know already

    kennedy shitt
    michelle hates hillary
    9 superdelegates for waffles
    rams,poll stopped for hill

    and the whole dnc going corrupt and greedy

  290. hallow Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
    Sonia-

    Yeah, what a dumb@ss

    tell me

    he is stupid ,,,fucking retarded asshole

  291. sonia-

    I missed it. Did he say

    uh, 57 states
    OR
    uhm, 57 states
    OR
    uh uhm uh 57 states,
    OR
    uhmmmmmm uh, 57 states
    OR
    uh uh uh uh 57 states
    OR
    uh uhhhhmmm uh 57 bitter states?

    did you TiVo it to be sure?
    words matter you know.

  292. Hilarious

    Rassmussen says that “if Obama becomes the nominee, there is nothing he can do to refuse Clinton the VP slot, its hers if she decides to take it despite what Kennedy thinks.”

    I think he needs a slap.

  293. West Virginia is ANOTHER HUGELY CRITICAL swing-state that Hillary CAN WIN in November. If the media won’t report this story, then we need to!

  294. Sonia – I like this place thankyouverymuch. 🙂

    I think the hillaryclintonforum site has a lot of “secret” trolls, because anybody can post there immediately. The mod, Warren (?), is pretty good at banning them quickly, but there is still a lot of fishy posts there sometimes.

  295. Rassmussen is officially deranged, lol. The fact that they decided to stop his daily tracking poll (on the same day that it showed Hillary with a stronger lead than Obama over McCain!) shows how idiotic that site is.

  296. Hey Hill supporters!
    Man I am leaving over seas for three weeks! I have my hub to give me updates but this weekend is soooo important! I hope that any of you that can afford to fly or drive this week go to Kentucky or WV, I find this whole situation just amazing!!! I have never seen polls like this before and what a time for it! Wow! Im going to make calls and send letters this weekend. I hope all are sending those letters!

  297. winhillary Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    Hey Hill supporters

    where u going

    have fun

  298. Funny but this whole “57 states” thing could be more damaging than anything else, it paints him like George Bush.

    i’ve heard so many people mention it today in the sense of “he said what”

  299. hallow Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    Sonia – I like this place thankyouverymuch.

    yeah ,,i agree

    there are trolls
    what i do ,,,,i am not good with words and vocabulary ,,so i don,t post

    but i check it every 15 to 30 min

    anything new good ,bad,quetionable,

    i copy and paste it at other pro-hill sites
    like noquarter,some fox blogs(anti-obama stories ),hill 44.hillary main website …

  300. in fact if bambi doesnt like his middle name, i think we should change it to

    Barack “57 States” Obama, 57 states can be his hip hop rap name kinda like 50 cents.

  301. he is just retartded

    i bet the drugs did some damage
    my husband is like that ,

    he experimented some before we met (he told me)

    and man he can be very dumb sometimes specially with details

    but hey ,,,he ia average man ,,he is not running to be president of USA,, and if he was i will not vote for him ,,, TOO FORGETFUL AND ALWAYS TALKS LIKE,,,,UH,,UH,,YM,,UM,,,,I WAS SAYING ,,,,,,,, i agree with hillary

  302. So what’s the deal w/Oregon?

    Last polls had it BO +12 (Rasmussen), but only +6 BO (SUSA).
    But according to Wikipedia, it’s almost 93% white, less than 3% AA.

    White AA
    2005 (total population) 92.95% 2.38%

    Also, 75-79% of Oregonians identify themselves as being Christian, and some hold deeply conservative convictions.

    And I know the Governor Ted Kulongoski endorsed Hill, so what’s the problem?

  303. You know i had a thought with bambi saying this race is over might be a dumbass move because it might temper his supporters from coming out thinking he’s won and they dont need to vote and move Clintons supporters to come out in droves. Might be a stupid thing to do on his part.

  304. Why in the world would Hillary want to be VP? She’s in a much better position as NY Senator with a strong record.

    For Obama, VP would be a step up; for Hillary it would be a step down.

  305. don,t worry about oregon

    he wil loose

    hillary will win even with 2 points

    because thats what hillary does ,,her only big problem has been black voters

    so if there is not any black voters

    don,t worry

    she will win them like indiana,,,she was 8 points behind ,,and won with 2 points

  306. She was smart doing her campaigning in KY last week and this week, so she is free’d up for Oregon next week.

  307. plus mr obama copied and pasted his plan for oregon fron plan of pennsylvania

    he was talking about taking care of great lakes of oregon (there is not any)

    he was 1.1 million veterans of oregon (thers is only 100,000+,,1.1. million was in pennsylvania ,i heard )

  308. Sonia-

    Could you send me an e-mail? I put my temp e-mail address in this thread a little higher up. I’d like to write to you in private for a moment.

  309. Universal:

    Good to know there are plenty of sleuths after BHO. Blue Dem says judge in Rezko trial was with Ken Starr, so is that why Levine silenced you think?

    What is known about the OTHER two gay men closely linked to Donald Young (media tried “love triangle” spin) in Chicago who were also found murdered same exucution-style within a week of Young? This whole thing smacks of hits and cover-up. I mean, just looking at facts, a fifth-grader could solve this one.

    The fact that the brutal murder of Young, the popular, choir director (very prominent role) and ALSO a 20-year member of TUCC was in a BLACKOUT for TWO days following the Christmas Eve murder (no doubt staged to appear as holiday robbery), on the eve of Obama’s national political debut in Iowa – was HUGE to me at the time. I remember thinking that such a tragedy would warrant mention by Big Media, as Obama’s “choir director” for 20 years would be a situation that his campaign would surely issue a statement about. After all, Big Media was reporting every move Obama made in their new love affair. Instead – NOTHING. Snippets and one-liners that were buried on the back page days later finally mentioned gay and love triangle. My instant gut reaction upon reading this and the suppression of coverage pointed to only one conclusion – an orchestrated cover-up by the Chicago PD, Big Media and the Obama camp.

    What is your take on the multi-million dollar mansion and $10 million line-of-credit being furnised to Wright? Could this be a payoff or hush money? Do you think Bill O’Reilly is pushing this story as HUGE due to just the hypocrisy angle, or is there more innuendo and insinuation by O’Reilly? Larry Sinclair’s affadavit alleges that Young indicated that he and Obama had counseled with Wright.

    What do you think? Intriguing for sure.

  310. If that is the case, it would explain why Wright came out and messed with things hurting Obama’s support. As wacked out as he is, I’m sure he knows Obama shouldn’t really be president.

  311. TalkLeft is a quality site, for sure.

    I think I may have been one of the 6 bannees Jeralyn was mentioning, but I’m not sure. Someone started giving me grief over my new Obama video and I just said, basically, kiss off.

    I never said anything racist, however. Still have yet to do so during this entire campaign even though the false moniker has been thrown my way about a gazillion times.

    I have no ill will towards Jeralyn, though. She did what she thought she had to do, I’m sure, and I know her heart is in the right place, unlike Singer’s at MyDD or many of those at Daily Joke.

    Jeralyn and Jerome are both correct: West Virginia is going to be huge for Hillary. It doesn’t matter if the media wants to cover it or not, she is going to score her largest primary win OF THE ENTIRE RACE save for
    her home state of Arkansas — and it’s going to come after people like Shuck Todd tried to tell everyone that the race was over.

    Looks like West Virginians don’t like wanna-be eggheads like Todd and arrogant chumps like Obama telling them their votes aren’t important, huh?

    Who knew?

    The 3 voter beatdowns Obama is in line to suffer over the next several weeks will end the lie that the party will coalesce around him if and when the party elites go against the majority will of its parties’ members (who favor Clinton) in order to, many will and have said, merely try to silence the ‘squeaky wheel’ of the African-American voting bloc.

    Suffice to say, such a judgment — which entirely leaves out the concept of electability — would be grounds for the dismissal of several party leaders once BuKakis’ “Egghead/AA cult-alition” is shown to have absolutely no chance in November, as so many of us already know it does not.

    West Virginia, Kentucky and Puerto Rico will all help drive this point home. This is why fabled campaigner Obama isn’t even going to WV — he and Sam Powers both know that average, non-African-American voters ain’t buying what the Messiah’s selling. Post-Wright, all garbage spiel about ‘judgment’ and ‘unifying’ are irrevocably destroyed.

    West Virginia voters, get your DVR’s/VCR’s ready — you are about to be called everything from ‘racist’ to wayward “Deliverance” cast members and all ugly things in-between. You are about to be thrown under the same bus which Wright and Barack’s typical white grandmother were similarly tossed earlier.

    The best way to show these elitist busters that you DO matter is to turn out in waves and put a loss the likes of which the tanked MSM simply can’t ignore.

    Though you will hear West Virginia residents either overtly or indirectly called racists on Tuesday, I think we’re all still waiting for a similar moniker to be given to the 92% or so of NC AA’s who backed Obama. Or, for that matter, the 97% of AA men who voted for BHO in PA. And so on and so forth.

    The one prediction I will make is that HRC will not get 90%+ of the white vote in WV. She will, however, hear that she is benefiting from racists voters, even if
    the % of white voters backing her is round 30% less than the % of AA’s backing Obama routinely.

    And that’s why MSNBC, CNN and many others are hack POS. So thrilled to hear Lanny Davis call CNN out one the mofo carpet. Thank you, Lanny Davis, for saying what we all know to be true.

    No more ObamaMedia fascism, please.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  312. HillBillyLover:

    My thinking as well. Not only does Wright “call out” the fraud and phony he is, in essence by stating that Obama “does what politicians do,” but he is the FIRST to distance HIMSELF from Obama. Only THEN does Obama throw him under the bus as being “whacked out” and “not the man I knew 20 years ago.”

    Now I’m wondering – but BHO, is he the same pastor that perhaps you and popular, gay 20-year choir director Donald Young sought counsel from as Larry Sinclair alleges that Young told him? What other possible reasons might Wright have for inflicting the damage he has to Obama’s campaign? Is it possible that Wright, (even though a Black Liberation Theology nut-case as far as I’m concerned) knows or at least highly suspects that Obama is behind the death of HIS beloved church’s choir director?

    Many of us, including the AA community, would ask why in the world would a pastor with such a close association to Obama, turn on him? As perplexing as it may seem on the surface, you can bet that there is much, much more to this story IMHO.

  313. sonia, don’t be too sure about oregon. portland is taylor made for obama. white liberal upscale starbuck drinkin voters. outside portland and the rural areas are ok for hillary. but portland is riddled with obama votes.

  314. YOWZA!!!!! I had never seen this before!!!!!!
    From the brochure that contains the black value system page 284 of Dreams of My Father, and on audio tape.
    “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power which is the power of black people to destroy their opinion pressers here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
    TM post

  315. So what’s the deal w/Oregon?

    Last polls had it BO +12 (Rasmussen), but only +6 BO (SUSA).
    But according to Wikipedia, it’s almost 93% white, less than 3% AA.

    White AA
    2005 (total population) 92.95% 2.38%

    Also, 75-79% of Oregonians identify themselves as being Christian, and some hold deeply conservative convictions.

    And I know the Governor Ted Kulongoski endorsed Hill, so what’s the problem?
    *****************************************************
    Oregon is an liberal state so I’m not going to raise expectations. Lot of free thinkers and anti-war protesters love to see her close this.

  316. agree universal. talk left is another good site i comment on. i try to make my rounds on my pro-hillary and balanced blogs. politics1.com is mixed site of dems, reps,liberal, consevative, ect.. talyor marsh is a great site. a lot of hillfans from here go on TM as we all know.

  317. Why in the world should it surprise us when Ted Kennedy doubles his efforts toward catapulting Obama toward the nomination even as the Larry Sinclair/Donald Young storyline moves forward?

    With Mary Jo Kopeckne slowly drowning in a submerged vehicle at Chappaquiddick, I mean isn’t murder/death/cover-up and subsequent disregard just another day at the office?

    Does Michelle Obama drink or is her pent-up anger a symptom of more than Black vs White America? Hmmm…………

  318. Remember this one? I don’t know which is worse: 57 states or 10,000 person death toll. And Waffles has the FRIGGIN’ NERVE to imply McCain is too old.

    OK – gonna try WVA calls again. maybe today I’ll get a live person. yesterday it was all voice mails, wrong numbers and fax machines.

    RICHMOND, Va. — Barack Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.
    The death toll was 12.
    “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed,” the Democratic presidential candidate said in a speech to 500 people packed into a sweltering Richmond art studio for a fundraiser.
    Obama mentioned the disaster in Greensburg, Kan., in saying he had been told by the office of Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius that the state’s National Guard had been depleted by its commitment to the Iraq War.
    “Turns out that the National Guard in Kansas only had 40 percent of its equipment and they are having to slow down the recovery process in Kansas,” Obama said, his shirt sleeves rolled up and his head glistening with sweat.
    As the Illinois senator concluded his remarks a few minutes later, he appeared to realize his gaffe.

  319. meiyingsu – these are the ads I hope the ADMIN posts for its next blog because its important that people wake up and see the disaster-to-come should Obama be the nominee!

  320. meiyingsu:

    So you believe that the Wright/Obama debacle was orchestrated in order to galvanize the AA vote even more than it was? The contradicting polls that indicated “big damage vs. no fall-out” was a wash?

  321. Can’t make calls now coz the lawn guy is mowing the grass and I can’t hear!!!!

    Forgot to mention;
    There are several groups investigating how to do a 3rd party run. The key is to find out how many signatures are needed to get a candidate on the ballot. This varies from state to state. I’m researching NY’s laws on Monday but the organization spearheading this needs info from all 50 (NOT 57) states. If anyone has any info on those stats could you go to hilbilly’s site and email me from there? If not, could you post here so I can try to contact you?

  322. curiosityhasme, it is very important to get large truck of AA to win NC and win big. he did.

  323. Would like to watch Fox but I Feel they are just playing nice a little for Hillary to keep us watching and hoping that we will stick around for the Obama obituary.I can’t stand any of that crowd of hard nosed men and nasty women that would want to show all they posess,Boobs,Legs,crotches and the scary results of Botox and makeup.Characters right of that old cartoon “Blondie”.Not one of them shows the radiant,sincere and Beauty that our Hillary projects.There is not much left to watch on TV in the way of news that is true and reliable.I find Bloggers on Hii is 44 the best source of information.Never been to theBHO site.I would no doubt get channeled to To Jeramiah Wright Temple of DOOM.

    I feel all fired up today.The tide will turn for Hillary,mark my word.The good old boys and girls are seeing an end to their cradle to grave gravy train,as they follow BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA of the proverbial Cliff. By the way,Obama must be handed a new campaign theme song dedicated to TONY REZKO,

    ” IT HAD TO BE YOU “.And you can bet your two tone butt on it.

    By ABM90 Fun Day Go HILLARY

  324. meiyingsu:

    Yes he did win big. So here we are. However, what about the impact on the white, working-class when Wright reiterated his statements? Was the thinking that an immediate big win in NC outweighed the enhanced, if not continual fallout that Wright would cause with “typical” white Americans?

  325. MUST READ!!!!! (still waiting for the lawn mower guy to finish)

    Obama Committing Suicide

    http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=356

    (add h*t*t*p colon slash slash)

    It’s about waffles miscalculations in announcing a May 20th victory party, the repub wrath about to descend on him and how this will only benefit HRC!

  326. basil9-

    “He is opening himself to the next wave of negative attacks, which are like a knife to his throat.”

    Uh. Whoever wrote that should probably be careful that the Secret Service doesn’t read it.

  327. hallow:

    Sort of like talking about who needs to walk through a kitchen of a large hotel this summer…….

  328. called wv today-most are voting for her. many saying they have got 6 calls for hillary and 6 for obama aksing for their vote. hark-i thought bambi wasnt campaigning in wv. but he is guys according to all these folks. one guy answered the phone and said” im not votin for her-then his wife picked it up and said oh yes we are. we know its important.”

  329. Okay, just purchased a website to be built for our unofficial third party change. It is PARTYFORCHANGE.ORG

    Is there anyone here who could build the site; it will have blog and photo filer?

    Please email me at cgreer10@cfl.rr.com

  330. Hey, I am also getting told Obama campaign has been calling.

    Jeeeesh! What a bunch of hooey.

    He is campaigning unde the radar so when he gets bloswn out he’s got cover.

  331. hallow,

    WTH are you talking about??????

    I didn’t see this comment. “which are like a knife to his throat.”

    And if I had i certainly wouldn’t have posted the article. i admit i skimmed and I just skimmed again but didn’t see it. So please cite the paragraph, line number, etc.

  332. Oregon is probably most liberal state in America.

    Every progressive and his son moved there.

    birkenstock nation is Obama’s group.

  333. ok I found it. you cited that line entirely out of context. Here is the exact quote.

    Summary: If Obama thinks he is the Victor of the DNC contest, then he is committing political suicide. He is opening himself to the next wave of negative attacks, which are like a knife to his throat.

    I know of several other people who cite info out of context. So what were you trying to say?

  334. basil9 – It is the third to last paragraph from the end of the article, before the comments, where they said that it was like a knife to Obama’s throat. I copied and pasted it. 🙁

  335. justmeinmountdorafl – YAY!!

    I think I e-mailed her too, but I didn’t get a reply. I’ll e-mail her again to thank her.

  336. Ronald – That fake pin is pretty funny.

    Not as good as the flags with two stars crossed out, though.

  337. YOUR CONTRIBUTION RECEIPT:

    DATE: May 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
    NAME: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    ADDRESS: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    AMOUNT: $25.44

  338. Funny if Hillary is still picking up SD’s the race can’t really be over then can it.

  339. Hello, can you actually believe anything he says, here we go again with the bullshit.

    In yet another New York Times advocacy piece for Barack Obama, we discover that Obama’s advisers are trying to rewrite history again.

    Susan E. Rice, a former State Department and National Security Council official who is a foreign policy adviser to the Democratic candidate, said that “for political purposes, Senator Obama’s opponents on the right have distorted and reframed” his views. Mr. McCain and his surrogates have repeatedly stated that Mr. Obama would be willing to meet “unconditionally” with Mr. Ahmadinejad. But Dr. Rice said that this was not the case for Iran or any other so-called “rogue” state. Mr. Obama believes “that engagement at the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need,” Dr. Rice said. “But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work.”

    The problem is, Barack Obama did say he’d meet with Iran unconditionally, in front of a lot of people, at the CNN/YouTube Democratic debate last July.

    He was specifically and directly asked if he would meet with the leader of Iran without preconditions, in the first year of his presidency, and his answer was, “I would.”

    Democratic Debate Transcript, CNN/YouTube – Council on Foreign Relations.

    QUESTION: In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since. In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?

    OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration — is ridiculous.

  340. ShortTermer Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    Okay, just purchased a website to be built for our unofficial third party change. It is PARTYFORCHANGE.ORG

    Is there anyone here who could build the site; it will have blog and photo filer?

    Please email me at cgreer10@cfl.rr.com
    *****************************************************
    This is a Hillary Clinton for President site and if you’re not going to help then get off!!!

    Forget about an independent campaign…Hillary has said No! No! NO!

  341. Funny if Hillary is still picking up SD’s the race can’t really be over then can it.
    ——————————————–
    moononpluto as john wayne used to say not likely that its over. read this:

    To expand upon my post yesterday about how Hillary Clinton isn’t giving up in her White House bid, over a dozen “swing state” Democratic members of Congress today sent a letter to others in their party saying Clinton is the best option for the “top of the ticket.”

    Not the best option for just “the ticket,” but “the top” of the ticket. That’s what’s needed to beat John McCain in the general election, they say. The text of the letter is after the jump.

    The thing is, they may be right when it comes to battleground states.

    Three simultaneous Quinnipiac University Swing State polls released May 1 show that among white working class voters, Clinton has strong leads over McCain – and runs much better than Barack Obama – in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. If Obama is the Democratic nominee, he’s in a tight race with McCain in Florida and Ohio, but takes Pennsylvania.

    Quinnipiac pollsters say this is Clinton’s strongest overall performance in those three vital swing states in the past two years. This survey also found:

    -Florida: Clinton tops McCain 49 – 41%; McCain gets 44% to Obama’s 43%
    -Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 – 38%; McCain gets 43% to Obama’s 42%
    -Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 51 – 37%; Obama leads McCain 47 – 38%

    “If the super delegates are looking at electability, these results could be a shot in the arm for Sen. Clinton,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. “No one has won the White House since 1960 without carrying two of these three swing states, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. And she clearly is running much better against Sen. McCain than is Sen. Obama, at least for now.”Of course, that was before her narrower-than-expected win in Indiana and her loss in North Carolina. On top of that, ABC News says today for the first time this campaign season, Obama has surpassed Clinton’s support among superdelegates.

    But I don’t think that will have any affect on Clinton. Speaking in Charleston, W.Va., yesterday, she continued the message that she’s got more muscle than Obama when it comes to the general election matchup.

    “Some call you swing voters. I call you Americans,” she said. “Ask yourself who is the stronger candidate to win West Virginia in the fall against John McCain.”

    Here’s the test of the Democrats’ letter:

    Dear Fellow Democrat,

    We are writing to you because of our shared belief in our Party’s principles and our commitment to ensuring that we have the strongest possible nominee to lead our ticket against John McCain and the Republicans in November.

    The decision about who to support to be our Party’s nominee is not one that any of us should take lightly. We haven’t. But, after giving this important decision a great deal of thought, we are convinced that Hillary Clinton has the vision, skills and commitment to make the changes our country needs. As Democrats who have run and won in competitive Congressional districts and battleground states, we believe that Hillary is best positioned to successfully lead the Democratic ticket in districts and states like ours around the country.

    As you know, Hillary has racked up victories in bellwether states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and now Indiana that are absolutely vital to winning the White House and maintaining our Congressional majority in the fall. Hillary has won the big battleground states by connecting with voters whose support we must have to win the general election. Her victories in Pennsylvania and Indiana were all the more impressive after being outspent by as much as two or three to one.

    Pennsylvania was not just a victory for Hillary Clinton. It was also a wake- up call for superdelegates, forcing us to ask ourselves two essential questions: 1) Which candidate can carry the magic 270 electoral votes to win in the fall? 2) Which candidate is most likely to help our fellow Democrats in down-ballot races? We believe the answer to both of these questions is Hillary Clinton.

    On the first question, Hillary has shown she can win the all-important battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida even while being outspent. This speaks to her ability to connect with voters we must deliver in the fall, including blue collar Democrats who can sway this election as they have in the past.

    On the second question, Hillary has won rural and suburban districts which we as Democrats must carry to maintain our edge in Congress. Of the fifteen districts rated “toss up” by the Cook Political Report, Hillary has now won ten. Of the 20 districts we picked up in 2006 that had gone for President Bush just two years before, Hillary has now won 16. She is strong in the places we must win to hold and expand our majority.

    This is a historically close race. The candidates are separated by a mere percentage point or two and the path to victory for each candidate is the same: win in the upcoming states and secure enough pledged and automatic delegates to get to the number required to win the nomination.

    The race now turns to the remaining six contests where the focus will be squarely on the economy. Voters in our states and across the country are voting on issues that affect them, their communities and their children’s future. We believe that they will decide that Hillary is the candidate who best understands those issues and has the best solutions to address them.

    We Democrats are justifiably proud of both of our candidates, and if Senator Obama is our Party’s nominee, we will enthusiastically support him. But our responsibility is not to choose simply to support the eventual nominee; it is to help select the nominee who is best for our party and best for our country. Our choice is clear: Hillary Clinton is that candidate. We believe she should be your choice as well.

    Thank you for consideration.

    Sincerely,

    Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY-24)
    Rep. Shelley Berkley (NV-01)
    Rep. Marion Berry (AR-1)
    Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
    Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20)
    Rep. Gene Green (TX -29)
    Rep. John Hall (NY-19)
    Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR-5)
    Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (FL-17)
    Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11)
    Rep. Silvestre Reyes (TX-16)
    Rep. Mike Ross (AR-4)
    Rep. Joe Sestak (PA-8)
    Rep. Ike Skelton (MO-4)
    Rep. John Tanner (TN-8)
    Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-20)

  342. moononpluto Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    Funny if Hillary is still picking up SD’s the race can’t really be over then can it.
    *****************************************************
    What is it with you guys, the race is NOT over at all….Hillary has over 50% of the party voted for her. Don’t let the Obama campaign psych you out…they are trying to suppress Hillary voters.

    Nobody can win without the superdelegates who votes in August at the convention. That’s why they want her to quit as long as she is campaigning to the end of the primary…she will still be a contender when it comes time to vote at the convention.

    Let Obama arrogant ass pull these stunts, it just help us because women make up more then 50% of the party and they are getting angrier and angrier everyday with these sorts of tactics.

  343. I know carby, i’m being sarcasrtic, of course its not over, i’m being sarcastic at bambi, the twit.

  344. Anyone see the bit on CNN about ‘Hillary’s Bloggers’? Caught the very end and saw the lower 3rd, wasn’t sure if they were talking about us!

    Basil,
    Great news about the 3rd party exploration. Was this done at someone’s direction or out of curiosity?

    * That Black Theology blurb is almost exactly what was said in that FOX clip of Wright that aired once and hasn’t been seen since, the one where the Ole Rev. says about black-on-black crime
    “you’re killing the wrong people!”

  345. Blue Democrat – I didn’t see that. Could somebody find a link with the video? I’d be really excited to see that!

  346. That StopObama post included something I meant to post here, which was this portion of a John McCain rebuttal to BO.
    Hit’s the nail pretty much on the head;

    “We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.”

    Hallow,
    Haven’t been able to track down a version of that clip; it aired once & FOX is saving it for the GE. They’re the (only?) ones who supposedly bought the Rev’s sermons on DVD.

  347. Hillary has been running a G.E. campaign and she has not divated from her plan…she know what it takes to WIN, unlike TEAM OBAMA.

    I don’t think the democrates can win California, Texas and Florida if Obama is on the top of the ticket. Now Texas came into play with Hillary excellent work in southwest and rural Texas but that’s a maybe. California and Florida were locked in the democratic box under Hillary but if Obama’s the head….we will lose those states.

    Obama is weak in California, he won 8 counties out of 58 and he didn’t win LA County-Hillary did. Obama’s rap is that Hillary’s voters will swing to him but that will not be the case. Obama will be running against John McCain who is very well respected and liked in California.

    John McCain has the support of our very popular Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and those two are alike in temperment. Arnold is very popular with democrats and especially with Hillacrats.

    Florida…Hey you know the reason why…Obama and his supporters has pissed off too many democrats there.

  348. curiosityhasme –

    I think what happened to Donald Young stinks to high heaven, and reminds me of the Kilpatrick/stripper situation.

    Obama chose Wright, and decided to play ball with Rezko and Ayers.

    There is nothing to suggest he would have any better judgment as regards Sinclair and Young.

    There was a time when — against sound reason — I gave Obama the benefit of the doubt.

    That time has passed. This guy, and those around him
    including his wife, are slippery as a greased pig and only concerned with themselves.

    I think your intuitions were correct, curiosity. It is very sad to say that, but the Chicago Posse is involved nothing is off the table, as we saw in Lake County, IN.

    The ‘holiday robbery’ cover story would certainly divert attention from any real motives behind Young’s death.

    I need to go over the two affidavits Sinclair and the other person signed. I do believe that there is far more to Young’s death than meets the eye.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  349. Blue Dem:

    I don’t know how they could talk about Hillary’s bloggers without mentioning The Big Pink. 😉

  350. Florida, also carby, is a totally diff demographic, its latino’s but the type that usually vote republican or Clinton but not Obama and seniors in massive large numbers that will not vote Obama.

    Thats also why he can never win Florida, they are Hillary voters through and through.

  351. The focus has to be in GOTV for Hillary. That’s the FOCUS!!!

    I don’t care what Obama is doing, that is not my focus nor my concern. Since I do know they are trying to SUPPRESS THE VOTE

  352. Even the insinuation that Obama is mixed up in a young gay mans death will be catastrophic vote wise.

  353. Here is the whole thing:

    Memo from McCain Adviser SalterTo: Interested Parties

    From: Mark Salter, Senior Advisor

    Date: May 8, 2008

    Re: Senator Obama’s Attack Today

    First, let us be clear about the nature of Senator Obama’s attack today: He used the words ‘losing his bearings’ intentionally, a not particularly clever way of raising John McCain’s age as an issue. This is typical of the Obama style of campaigning.

    We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.

    It is important to focus on what Senator Obama is attempting to do here: He is trying desperately to delegitimize the discussion of issues that raise legitimate questions about his judgment and preparedness to be President of the United States.

    Through their actions and words, Senator Obama and his supporters have made clear that ANY criticism on ANY issue — from his desire to raise taxes on millions of small investors to his radical plans to sit down face-to-face with Iranian President Ahmadinejad – constitute negative, personal attacks.

    Senator Obama is hopeful that the media will continue to form a protective barrier around him, declaring serious limits to the questions, discussion and debate in this race.

    Senator Obama has good reason to think this plan will succeed, as serious journalists have written of the need for ‘de-tox’ to cure ’swooning’ over Senator Obama, and others have admitted to losing their objectivity while with him on the campaign trail.

    Today, Senator Obama is complaining about comments John McCain made about a senior Hamas advisor stating that Hamas would welcome Senator Obama’s election as president. Indeed, on April 13th, senior Hamas political advisor Ahmed Yousef said, ‘We don’t mind – actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance.’

    The McCain campaign has never suggested that Senator Obama supports Hamas’ agenda, but it is more than fair to raise this quote about Senator Obama because it speaks to the policy implications of his judgment.

    Just today, the president of Iran, whom Senator Obama wants to meet with unconditionally, called the state of Israel a ’stinking corpse.’ Iran is the paymaster and state sponsor of Hamas.

    In his victory speech this week, Senator Obama stated that ‘wisdom’ is meeting with our enemies, including Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, North Korea’s Kim Jong Il, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and Cuba’s Raul Castro. John McCain couldn’t disagree more. Rather than giving tyrants and dictators the prestige of meeting with an American president, John McCain will instead meet with the champions of human freedom around the world and opposition leaders fighting for liberty .

    We understand why Senator Obama doesn’t want to engage in a debate over leadership and judgment with John McCain, but the American people demand that debate take place.

    These are serious times that call for a serious debate on the profound issues facing our future. John McCain is ready for that debate and we hope Senator Obama will one day get serious and join it.

  354. moononpluto, I know the demograph of Florida and you are absolutely correct regarding the Cuban voters in Florida and for the first time they were trending enough to the democrats.

    Florida will be another one were Obama will not win mostly due to his actions. No amount of lets “kiss and make up” will help him in Florida.

    One of my friend is a Cuban and she STILL hates the Democatic party because of JFK and the Bay of pigs fiasco. It all having to do with Castro and how the democrats handle it….they felt it was WEAK and a stab in the back. She reminds me time and again how they have run cubans out of Florida for supporting relaxing opposition to Castro regime.

    Their memory is like an elephant….they don’t for get. Very Anti Communists…even the drug dealers. Once the republicans start running those Anti-American ads on Obama thru his associates…and his ties to FARK and other Marxist and Communists groups….the DEMOCRATS are TOAST!

    Remember, the Republcans have been laying low and taking names.

  355. Carby,
    You seemed to be making the argument for a 3rd party run there. No?

    I’ve yet see why it’s nuts to consider it, though MJ certainly seemed to think it an impossibility without the party ‘apparatus’, though I’m still not certain what that is precisely and whether or not it could be overcome.

    That said, I’d rather launch myself from a bridge than simply concede should SD’s make their move post-Oregon.

    I will NEVER approve of that.

  356. This is the second day in a row I can’t get a live person on the phone!
    Just made 10 calls and got only 1 respondent. the r3est were voice mails and wrong numbers.

    Is this because it’s Mother’s Day Weekend?

    🙄

  357. Suddenly the NYT finds it in themselves to examine BO’s Chicago Politics.
    From Talk Left;

    The New York Times (tomorrow’s paper, available now) has a 7 page profile on how Barack Obama forged coalitions in Illinois:

    The secret of his transformation — which has brought him to the brink of claiming the Democratic presidential nomination — can be described as the politics of maximum unity: He moved from his leftist Hyde Park base to more centrist circles; he forged early alliances with the good-government reform crowd only to be later embraced by the city’s all-powerful Democratic bosses; he railed against pork-barrel politics but engaged in it when needed; and he empathized with the views of his Palestinian friends before adroitly courting the city’s politically potent Jewish community.

    To broaden his appeal to African-Americans, Mr. Obama had to assiduously court older black leaders entrenched in Chicago’s ward politics before selling himself as a young, multicultural bridge to the wider political world.

    I have no use for the kind of unity that trumps taking a position on issues based on one’s beliefs in favor of a taking a position based on who it will appeal to and then not sticking to it.

    This is why it’s so hard to figure out where Obama really stands on issues, from crime issues (here and here) to gun rights. He changes, depending on his audience and which voters he needs to appease or win over at the time. As I often write, where’s Obama? Here, there and everywhere.

  358. Blue Dem,
    A couple of groups I correspond with are exploring options for getting on the ballot in different states.
    PLEEEEEze – anyone who knows anything about the requirements in your area let me know!

    About the Wright tapes, I’m sure all the media have them. And if they don’t , plenty of citizens have bought them and have been archiving the TuCC site for over a year and are fully prepared to turn over their information to the Repubs should waffles become the nominee.
    BTW – the black theology blurb is apparently o pg. 284 of the Audacity of Hope!!!!!!!

  359. Found this (should be in bold but don’t know how)

    “The Republican National Committee has amassed a 1,000-page dossier on Mr Obama, with researchers spending weeks in Chicago seeking fresh material.

  360. basil,
    Yes, and Hannity has already sought out & aired the audio version where Obama narrates it himself.

    So you won’t have to think hard to imagine hearing that in ads against him.

  361. OMG!
    Blue, you’re right!
    Clips of Waffles READING these extremist statements with images of Ayers, jerry, Odinga, Farrakhan on film . . . . . .

    In his OWN VOICE!!!!!!!!

    WOW!

  362. Ok we have a new level of journalistic degradation

    You know, when I read about this CNN video via Allahpundit yesterday, I threw up a little in my mouth. The clip of female journalists on a plane moaning as they watch Barack Obama talking on a cell phone was actually filed under “breaking news video” on the CNN website with the caption, “Obama in jeans: Sen. Barack Obama surprises the press corps by wearing jeans.”

    Now, the video’s on YouTube. And it really should have a content warning advising viewers to watch it only on a completely empty stomach. Several members of the press corps yell at an agent to “sit down” because she’s obstructing their view. They giggle and sigh “You’re killing us” as he straddles across a row of seats and they furiously click away on their cameras.

    Kneepads, ladies?

  363. for anyonw that doesnt want to explore a third party, that might be what hillary says, but if she sees her people en masse want it, she may relent…

    i think those who are for it, should move ahead, its not called a democracy for nothing. she can either veto in the end, or change her mind…

    MYSELF= I’M A GIANT YES ON THAT ONE….

  364. Third party ideas are NOT going to happen- at least not until 2012.

    I suggest dropping it until then.

  365. The first time I posted here, I mentioned that Oblameless was basically “Bush Lite”. Well as someone new, no one responded. But I will occasionally continue to post here.

    I pointed out that there were too many similarities between Bush and Oblameless.

    1. Bush did not give specifics about his programs when he was running.

    2. The press was enamored with him, anyonhe who ctiticized him was a traitor and were told tom leave the country.

    3. It was obvious that there were some powerful people behind him who had a hidden agenda.

    4. He could not put together two sentences without a teleprompter without making some major gaffe.

    Just look at the great “Kool-aid Giver” and compare. By the time the drinkers wake up it will be too late.

    Now we have 57 states. Well, Well……..

    By the way whatever the peopple at Fox News have on Oblamless, they wont use it to help Hillary. They will hold it for the General Election.

    I tried to bet with someone at my office yesterday that one of the Old Guards will be Vice President.

    I do not have a computer at home. So I will not see comments and post until Monday sometime.

    In the meantime, understand our canditate Hillary Rodham Clinton, she will not quit until every vote has been counted.

    HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL MOTHERS, GRANMOTHERS, AUNTS, SISTERS etc. BLESS YOU ALL!

  366. moonpluto,

    That video made me sick.

    Then it made me furious (like I needed any help). Unreal.

  367. Blue Democrat Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
    Carby,
    You seemed to be making the argument for a 3rd party run there. No?

    I’ve yet see why it’s nuts to consider it, though MJ certainly seemed to think it an impossibility without the party ‘apparatus’, though I’m still not certain what that is precisely and whether or not it could be overcome.

    That said, I’d rather launch myself from a bridge than simply concede should SD’s make their move post-Oregon.

    I will NEVER approve of that.
    *****************************************************
    NO! I don’t think Third parties will work…what Third parties do is transform themselves into the mainstream and know one of the parties out of it’s position.

    I’m going to stay as a democrat and fight for my party but I will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. I’ve made peace with my decision and will survive 4 more years because one thing this experience taught me is that the they is a lot of Hypocrisy to go around on both side.

  368. correction: and know one of the parties = and move one of the parities out of it’s position.

  369. carbynew,
    “I’m going to stay as a democrat and fight for my party but I will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. I’ve made peace with my decision and will survive 4 more years”

    I understand what you’re saying, despite the seeming contradiction in terms. But it is the last part that is continually overlooked everytime I see this discussion going on…

    Can the country survive 4 more years?

  370. BTW, on that plane vid with the giggling press corps….
    FOX news of all people just fired one of their production assistants for approaching McCain at an event and telling him how she’d voted for him & supports him, etc, etc.

    Whoever was on that plane oohing and aahing should be found out and fired immediately.

    I’ll resume dreaming now……

  371. Someone on TM is reporting that Bill Ayers and his wife are on the Fox O’Reilly show on Monday. Can anyone confirm?

  372. Man, over at TM, they’re talking about something like 500K ballots missing in NC. By my offhand count, that would’ve swiung the race right around to where the polls said it would be instead of what we got.

    MJ!!! What’ve you got on this!!

    Also found this at TM;

    On private Saturday afternoon conference call Hillary Clinton urges superdelegates to believe “this race is not over,” tells them she knows what they are going through “is not easy.”

    Also promises to promote Democratic unity following the primary race, claims there have been back-channel talks of some kind going on between the two camps about ensuring that.

  373. let,s not WASTE TIME ,,BLOGGING

    AND ARGUING WITH STUPID TROLLS on other blogs

    WE NEED TO WIN

    WE MUST WIN

    WE NEED TO DONATE

    WE NED TO MAKE CALLS

    PLS ,,,MAKE CALLS ,,,,,DON,T FEEL GUILTY LATER ON ,,,THUNKING WHAT IF THIS,,WHAT IF THAT ,,

    do it now

    take action

    don,t just talk the talk

    but walk the walk ,,,,

  374. Blue-
    I think she would only run as an independant if BO wins the nomination and presidency and turns into Jimmy Carter the 2nd, destroying the democratic party in the process.

    I think Hillary will be patient and let his hubris take its course. I doubt it will happen, but if she runs as an independant or starts and independants party (which I would LOVE btw) I dont think she will do it until 2012.

    IMHO

  375. MJ,

    It’s over at Taylor Marsh, in the latest thread.
    Let me know what you find.

    Thanks for the take, Ronald.

  376. Can the country survive 4 more years?
    **************************************************
    Yes, it can. McCain is no incompetent or an egomaniac like GWB he has a long record of public service to our country and I do agree with some of his fiscal program. He’s a moderate/conservative…whatever but at least he loves this country and see the possibilities. It’s not about hate with him and he will work with our allies and help the military and veterans.

    His weak point with me is the economy, but he is not a fanatic like the free traders and neo-cons. McCain can work with Democrats…like McCain-Feingold act and Torture bill…so I’m don’t see this country blowing up at all under McCain or Hillary.

    Obama is another matter…I don’t trust him, I don’t believe him and I don’t like him. Nothing adds up…who is this man. I don’t see him as a leader….he whine, he cry, he threatens, he’s a bully…he turns my stomach. This man has no character…at least I respect Rev. Wright and knows where he comes from but this is who the man is and he has fought the fight on his beliefs…he did not compromise his value for Obama.

    I totally disagree with him but Rev. Wright is a by product of this country horrible history in slavery and the aftermath. Rev. Wrights didn’t just pop up…the question is are we ALL going to move forward together or live in the past.

  377. greetings

    sittin’ here sipping on my second gritty mcduff’s vacation land summer ale. support your local brewery.

    i am getting a kick out of reading the influx of obama-trolls on various blogs such as TM using forms of democratic-guilt reasoning as to why we should suddenly drop all notion of voting for john mccain should hillary clinton not be the nominee. many use the roe v wade, iraq war, health care issues as leverage.

    how young and naive our little bots are. they do not realize that we have endured and survived 35 years of all out war on these issues and will survive another 35 years with or without their savior obama. what they obviously do not know is the damage they have done to our party with their incessant tear down and disrespect of our candidate, hillary rodham clinton and the people who support her.

    we will not fall in line like good little democrat lemmings. we will fight for our candidate till the last dog dies. we will not go quietly into the night. they have no idea what fighting is all about.

  378. Does any one here think that Hillary would(could) run as an independent? After the way Democrats have treated her I would really like her to leave the party. I do not think she would. I hate the sneering McCaskill bayitch, the fat boy from MA and the horse face loser. She has so many enemies in the senate would it be a good place for her? I am so pissed!

  379. GOTV, GOTVGOTV>GOTV!!!!!!

    Make those phone calls for Hillary Clinton we must defeat Obama voter suppression tactics. He and his supporters can crown him KING all they want but it’s the voters in all 50 states that make the final decision.

    Don’t let the MSM and BIG MEDIA make that choice for you…remember 2000 and how MSM and BIG MEDIA said G W. Bush was the kind of guy you could have a beer with?

    Now we got the media again pushing their candidate on us, with LESS resume then the other fiasco but the TEMPLATE is STILL the SAME.

  380. Guys, I get what is going on. They are pulling a Rove. They are claiming victory without actually winning. They had the Gary mayor hold backt he votes so Hill couldn’t come out and says he won a state BO was supposed to have won. Then they said they won the entire thing. The purpose is to make everyone think they have won, just like Bush did in 2000.

  381. clintondem99 Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
    Does any one here think that Hillary would(could) run as an independent? After the way Democrats have treated her I would really like her to leave the party. *****************************************************
    NO, Hillary Clinton is a loyal democrat.

  382. Now back to what is important.

    WE NEED TO GET OUT THE VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON…PLEASE MAKE CALLS AND DONATE IF YOU CAN.

  383. REMEMBER DON’T BELIEVE THE POLLS!!!

    If they are right then it’s a blessing but we need to act like the “roof is on fire” and GET OUT THE VOTE FOR HILLARY OR DONATE MONEY.

  384. mj,

    The 500,000 missing votes seem to be explained here. (from TM)

    500,000+ votes were cast in favor of republicans and No preference

    Mccain – 381616
    huckabee 62798
    ron paul 37,132
    No preference – 40,000
    —————–
    total = around 520,000

    thanks for your enthusiasm…
    wouldnt put it beyond obama-thug to cheat in elections… especially with absentee ballots in gary indiana.

  385. basil9,

    Don’t be sad, they will be home soon! you will get more responses later tonight.

  386. I really hope that some supers will come out for hill to make a point that she still has support and we all know that many are supporting her they just wanted to wait for the convention. So please think about the next states and the electoral college is in her favor to beat mccain. Why isn’t Hill making more meeting with supers lately and making that point!

  387. W.Va. early voting hits record high
    CHARLESTON (AP) — A record number of West Virginians have cast early bal­lots for a primary in advance of Tuesday’s election.
    While a likely result of the Democratic presidential cam­paigns’ increasing focus on the state, officials in some counties said they had expected even higher turnouts.
    With early voting ending Saturday, Secretary of State Betty Ireland reported 49,982 ballots cast in 52 of West Virginia’s 55 counties between April 23 and Friday. Ireland’s office said another 4,916 absen­tee ballots have been returned. About 71 percent of these vot­ers have been Democrats, who outnumber Republicans in the state by nearly 2-to-1. The majority party invited unaffili­ated voters into its primary for the first time this year, though just 6.2 percent of the early vot­ers were independents or non­partisans.
    The Democrats’ primary bal­lot also features contested races for governor, state
    ❑❑❑
    As of Friday afternoon, the total number of early ballots cast in Mercer County was 1,407, according to County Clerk Rudolph Jennings. Jennings said 232 votes were cast on Friday alone.
    Supreme Court and secretary of state. The 2nd Congressional District and numerous legisla­tive races also give voters in that primary a choice.
    “I was driving through Harrison County the other day, and they must have eight peo­ple running for county commis­sion,” said state Democratic Party Chairman Nick Casey. “On a local level, races like that will get people energized.”
    Voting, A-3

  388. Carl Levin tells Grand Rapids Hispanic caucus that odds are against Hillary Clinton
    Posted by Pat Shellenbarger | The Grand Rapids Press May 10, 2008 17:26PM
    Press Photo/Katy BatdorffSen. Carl Levin speaks at a meeting of the Michigan Democratic Hispanic/Latino Caucus on Saturday at El Arriero Mexican Grill in Kentwood.
    KENTWOOD — While conceding Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic Party’s nomination for president are fading, U.S. Sen. Carl Levin on Saturday stopped short of calling for her to withdraw from the race.

    “The odds are against her,” Levin said. But he added, “It’s not over until one of the candidates says it’s over, but that’s not the situation.”

    More certain is that the Democratic National Committee will seat Michigan’s delegation at the convention in Denver this August, predicted Levin, a member of a committee proposing a compromise on how the delegates should be divided between Clinton and Barack Obama.

    The Democratic National Committee stripped Michigan of its 128 pledged delegates as punishment for the state party holding its primary election Jan. 15, earlier than party rules allow.

    Obama supported the national party’s position by withdrawing from the primary, while Clinton left her name on the ballot. With the nomination still unsettled, Obama’s campaign proposed splitting the 128 delegates evenly, giving him and Clinton 64 each. But Clinton’s campaign claimed that, based on the primary vote, she should get 73 delegates and Obama 55.

    Levin and other members of the state party’s Delegate Working Group last week proposed a compromise, giving Clinton 69 delegates and Obama 59, a plan endorsed by the Michigan Democratic Party’s executive committee.

    “What we recommended is to split that difference,” Levin told members of the state party’s Hispanic/Latino Caucus meeting at a 28th Street restaurant.

    A Clinton spokesman has rejected that plan, insisting she should get 73 delegates.

    “It’s not up to the Clinton campaign or the Obama campaign,” Levin said. “It’s up to the national party’s rules committee. The bottom line is we want our delegates seated. We are going to get our delegates seated.”

    Refusing to seat Michigan’s delegation ultimately could hurt the party’s nominee in the November general election, he said.

    “I can’t believe any Democratic candidate for president is going to ignore Michigan,” Levin said.

    As an uncommitted superdelegate, he did not add his voice to other Democrats — including former presidential candidate George McGovern — calling for Clinton to withdraw from the race.The other three members of the Delegate Working Group — U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick, United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger and Democratic National Committee member Debbie Dingell –are uncommitted.

    “The four of us decided a long time ago we would stay neutral so nothing we say could be interpreted as favoring one candidate or the other,” Levin said. “My focus is on getting this delegation seated.”

    But he conceded Clinton’s chances of overcoming Obama’s lead are looking dim. Only five states and Puerto Rico are yet to hold primaries.

    “I think she’d have to do so well in those states, or he’d have to make some kind of mistake,” Levin said. “I’d say it’s unlikely she can pull this off.”
    http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/05/carl_levin_tells_grand_rapids.html
    *****************************************************
    Interesting, they’re worried about the Hispanics….the democrats know that Obama will be a weak G.E. candidate and if Howard Dean wing of the democratic party believe they can play the RACE CARD on the Repulbicans like they did to LOYAL democrats who didn’t want to hurt the party in the primary…they must be on crack.

    Howard Dean going around making statements saying any criticism against Obambi is racist but it is alright to call people Hillbillies by the pro Obama supporters.

  389. This country has a full blown crisis on its plate.All of the MSM have a full fleged conspiracy boiling in their evil pot.Have you ever seen such a collection of evil doers on their payrolls.Their actions are criminal and subversive.The must be stopped,Is there anyone left out there with the money,the guts and the patriotism to help us snuff out this evil groupIt still boils down to the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL MSM COMPLEX,stealing our DEMOCRACY.Can you not see the obvious forces of evil at work and what they will impose on us as a government similar to George ORwell’s 1984.I beg you all to listen and get involved.Time is short and and the moment to fight back is NOW
    I never thought that I would live to see the day that the NAZI movement would be revived,while our nation is so involved with our fight to get our economy on track again.This is serious folks.Sharpen your claws and your wits and band together to stop this assault on our beautiful country and our unmatched way of life.At my age I could just sit back and and let it happen but I will not.All I have left is my computer and my free speech.Please help me to fight for justice and our Hillary.

    BY ABM90. Adrenalin rising and all fired up.JOIN ME

  390. New article is up. Let’s win West Virginia. The new article describes some West Virginia primary history and why it is important to win there.

    Great news from the polls and from turnout statistics.

    What matters are calls and donations and get out our vote.

  391. all hillary supprters

    pls

    pls

    pls

    pls

    pls

    attention

    attention

    attention

    PLS DO NOT WASTE TIME ,,BLOGGING

    AND ARGUING WITH STUPID TROLLS

    WE NEED TO WIN

    WE MUST WIN

    WE NEED TO DONATE

    WE NEED TO MAKE CALLS

    PLS ,,,MAKE CALLS ,,,,,DON,T FEEL GUILTY LATER ON ,,,THINKING WHAT IF THIS,,WHAT IF THAT ,,

    do it now

    take action

    don,t just talk the talk

    but walk the ,

    I AM NOT ANYBODY ,S MOTHER

    BUT I AM ONE OF YOU ,,

    PLS

    PLS

    PLS

    PLS

    GO TO HILLARY WEBSITE,

    CLICK ON MAKE CALLS NOW

    COME ON PLS

  392. Obama Says He Will Figure Out a Way to Seat Florida and Michigan Delegates
    Posted by Michelle Levi

    BEND, ORE. – Showing that the delegates in Florida and Michigan are on the mind of voters as well as Democratic presidential candidates, a woman at Barack Obama’s town hall meeting here asked Obama about ceding a state to Hillary Clinton. “Recognizing that it probably will not change the outcome of the race,” she asked, “have you considered giving her Florida?”

    A surprised Obama laughed a little at the question. “Let me say this,” he said. “I love Florida, I love Michigan the people of Michigan and Florida, they will be represented at the convention, their delegates will be seated, and we will figure out a way where they are fully participating in the process.”

    Obama defended his opposition to some plans that wanted to offer re-voting to voters in those states. “At the beginning of this race, we were not supposed to campaign in Florida and Michigan, so we didn’t campaign in Florida and Michigan,” he said. “We played by the rules that everybody agreed to. We took our name off the ballot in Michigan because we weren’t supposed to be campaigning there. So obviously we don’t think that that was a fair contest and that it should count in the same way the other contests have counted.”

    He reassured the town hall attendees that the contentious delegate situation will be resolved, and that he planned on campaigning there during the general election. “I am confident that we will get this resolved and I have every interest because I intend to be the Democratic nominee, I have every interest in making sure that Florida and Michigan are happy,” he said. “This is something that will get done.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/10/politics/fromtheroad/entry4085913.shtml
    *****************************************************
    Very Arrogant isn’t he? Hypocrisy thy name is Obama.

  393. ClintonDem99,

    Aye! Go read the last 6 threads for my reasoning as to why.
    The only thing I can definitively say is ‘party loyalty’ should in NO WAY factor into her decision-making, if it is indeed a viable proposition.

    MJ,
    You hit that one on the nose.

    They say your first instinct is usually the best, and the second I saw lopsided NC results coming in I thought of those precincts with all of BO’s AA friends and thought for sure they’d decided NC was their grassy knoll.
    The margin in IND, with the ludicrous exchange on CNN between King, Blitzer, and the Mayor Clay did nothing at all to allay it in my mind.

    But the only thing worse that that thievery, if it in fact occurred, is the theft of the storyline, where every single self-important douchebag pundit predicted a split and ‘the race stays status quo’, only to see every single one do an about face and join in unison for the “She must drop out’ chorus.
    That slinky (that’s BO, who walks like a freak, if you haven’t noticed) then had a pre-planned victory tour of Capitol Hill hailed by said mentioned is about all the proof anyone should need.

  394. Dear CarbyNew,

    I hope you understand that this is a collection of individuals; not affiliated with or endorsed by any campaign. And if we are upset with what Donna Brazile said, remember her? – then think about it. What candidate could we be for? We are doing this for Hillary, or would you rather we sit with our hands folded? Please review my outline posted earlier. And note, we are an UNOFFICIAL third party, a collaborative effort of individuals.
    The DNC has to be shown quickly and in no uncertain terms- they ignore bloggers and emails -that annointing Obama or letting him annoint himself on May 20 has consequences – and big ones for the DNC and Obama. Handwringing and whining does nothing but make us feel a little better temporarily. There is strength in numbers. If you have no group effort on your own,
    please join us.

    Quote “ShortTermer Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
    Okay, just purchased a website to be built for our unofficial third party change. It is PARTYFORCHANGE.ORG

    Is there anyone here who could build the site; it will have blog and photo filer?

    Please email me at cgreer10@cfl.rr.com
    *****************************************************
    This is a Hillary Clinton for President site and if you’re not going to help then get off!!!

    Forget about an independent campaign…Hillary has said No! No! NO!”

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