Hillary Clinton’s People Politics vs. Barack Obama’s Thug Politics

Barack Obama’s “New Politics” are really quite extraordinary. Obama’s “new politics” can be summarized as ‘get votes for free which you did not earn’.

The latest Chicago thuggery is a plan for Obama to get delegates in Michigan – a state in which Obama removed his name from the ballot!

Imagine that. A candidate does not run for election but gets votes. This surely is new – and dangerous, and undemocratic, and unwanted.

No doubt Obama violated the “no campaign” pledge in Michigan when he aired advertisments via surrogates asking voters to vote “uncommitted”. Obama also violated the “no campaign” pledge in Florida when he aired advertisments in Florida. But to get delegates from an election in which you did not run is well… thuggery. We are tempted to describe such odd election counting as Bush-like. But we can’t – Bush actually ran for office. Bush was actually on the ballot.

So now, by the art of thuggery, Obama is demanding delegates from an election in which he received ZERO votes. John Edwards, still an official candidate, gets no delegates.

In this new age of electronic voting machines (horrid things) voters have a clear way to express their preferences. If the candidate of their choice is not on the ballot – voters can easily WRITE-IN the name of the candidate they prefer.

Electronic voting machines make it very easy to WRITE-IN a candidate name. Even old non-electronic voting machines make it easy to WRITE-IN a candidate name. Yet few in Michigan wrote-in Obama’s name.

To repeat, Obama wants votes added to his tally, which he did not earn. The voters of Michigan did not WRITE-IN Obama’s name. So why then is Obama asking for delegates from Michigan?

In the age of electronic voting machines and communications tools such as the internet and email a WRITE-IN campaign is simple and affordable and can be very effective. It would be very new but certainly doable. Why didn’t Obama partisans run a write-in campaign in Michigan? Absent actual votes Obama should get zero delegates from Michigan.

Hillary will earn her nomination the old fashioned way – by getting votes.

Meet the Clinton clan — once more today across West Virginia — and be prepared for some return visits before next Tuesday’s primary.

Although she holds a commanding lead in the polls over fellow Democrat Barack Obama in West Virginia, Sen. Hillary Clinton and Co. are leaving nothing to chance by blanketing the state.

Clinton the candidate is staging a Capitol lawn rally in Charleston, Clinton the ex-president is barnstorming in a five-town blitz and Clinton the onetime first daughter is campaigning in Shepherdstown.

By the time polls open across the state Tuesday, you might see more of the Clintons, campaign leader Jessica Santillo suggested.

In Washington, Hillary spoke to “Generations of Women for Hillary”:

A crowd of 1,500 gathered at the “Generations of Women for Hillary” fundraiser at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, paying at least $250 a plate and helping to raise about $1 million for the campaign. Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe, addressing attendees, offered no indication that Clinton would be slowing down in her bid for the White House. “She is going to Denver as the nominee of the Democratic Party of the United States of America. And then she’s going to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as the president of the United States of America,” he told the cheering audience.

Clinton worked her way through the crowd as speakers blared Chaka Khan and Whitney Houston versions of “I’m Every Woman.” People stood on chairs waving napkins. When the music was abruptly cut off, the clapping audience chanted: “Hill-ar-y, Hill-ar-y!”

“I’ve been counted out more than once. But thanks to all of you I’ve come back,” Clinton said, earning a thunderous, extended ovation. She later added, “When I was counted out in New Hampshire, it was the women of New Hampshire who came back and said, ‘No, she’s not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Super Tuesday it was women from California to Massachusetts who came and said ‘No, we’re not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Ohio, before Indiana, we have always come back.”

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530 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton’s People Politics vs. Barack Obama’s Thug Politics

  1. GREAT POST, admin!

    I’m so glad this website is here for all of us.

    ONWARD, for Hillary!

  2. Admin,

    Excellent post.

    DOT!

    Dick Morris advised Obama’s cousin, Odinga, during the kenya elections, at Obama’s request! See my 5:04 post on the previous thread.

    dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/factor-bill-oreilly-commentator-dick-morris-worked-raela-odinga-campaign-tourist-visa-barack-obama-connection-morris-supports-muslims-candidate-odinga-bankrolled-by-mohammar-khadaffi-riots-when-di/

  3. Repost:
    RENDELL: (from TM)
    We tried to work to get Michigan to approve a new primary, the DNC was for it, but unfortunately the Obama folks killed it in the Michigan legislature…
    “Crushing” may well be no exaggeration. According to Rasmussen, Clinton holds a 29 point lead over Obama, and Susan at No Quarter has up a brand new poll that has Clinton up 40 points (63% to 23%) in West Virginia, which also happens to be a key swing state needed in November.
    In Kentucky, Clinton leads by 34 according to SurveyUSA and by 25 according to Rasmussen.
    How big would it be if Clinton’s victories in West Virginia and Kentucky are by these margins? We can guess. Adding together the populations of these two states, we get a number that approaches the population of Virginia. Obama won Virginia by 29%…about 275,000 votes. If Clinton adds something close to this many votes to her total, she catapults herself back into the popular vote lead with all contests counted and estimates from four caucus states.

  4. h t t p : / / w w w . nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/politics/08clinton.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1210269927-dymKOcTphhf7FGInVotF8g&oref=slogin

    WHAT THE HELL!!!

    Why is the Obama campaign standing idly by as their crazy nutso supporters show up at HRC rallies just to boo with inflammatory signs?!

    I know when I went to a big Hillary rally, they made us go through a security checkpoint, and we weren’t allowed to bring signs we had made ourselves. So how are these people sneaking in signs with anti-Hillary messages on them INTO THE RALLY? Why aren’t the security (Secret Service?) people doing their jobs?

    What if one of these crazy Obamabots, instead of sneaking in a sign, sneaked in a gun?!?

  5. Repost:
    Rendell predicts CRUSHING VICTORIES in WVA and KY.

    he was D@mn right about PA.

    thepage.time.com/key-exchange-between-nprs-on-point-and-gov-rendell/

  6. Thanks admin for the great post and reminding us:

    Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President

    just you wait and see. She’s got a lot of fight left and she can do math.

  7. Ronald – Yeah, but she still needs our money. Just donated another $20 today. I’m a student, but I’ll live on ramen for a week for the hope of a Hillary Clinton presidency.

  8. Let’s ee Obama does not compete in WV and KY. Hillary throws everything into SD, MT and OR and beats him there she wins all the remaining contests. Obama fails to stop the FL and MI delegations from being seated. Hillary wins the nomination.

  9. yes she does- and if you dont have money, give time. Phone banking is key, especially for Oregon and WV.

    When she blows out the next few states the conversation will change once again.

  10. Don’t let him get away with using this as an excuse of not winning in WV and KY. That’s what he wants. For all we know he is trying very hard to win those states. It’s a shame everyone will choose Hillary in the end.

  11. rjk1957, no one can get to the white house without winning WV. Regan won it, Bill won it, and GWB won it.

  12. NEED HELP IN WVA. THEY ARE BUYING INTO THE MEDIA SPIN.

    PLEASE PHONE BANK .. ALL VOTES NEEDED.

    THEY BELIEVE NO CHANCE HILL CAN WIN. ITS UP TO US NOW TO CONVINCE THEM .. ALTHOUGH I AM GETTING DISAPPOINTED IN MY OWN STATE.

    BILL AND HILLARY NEED TO DO AN AD TOGETHER FOR WV AND KY. TELL VOTERS THAT THEY ARE NOT GIVING UP ON THEM .. AND THAT THEY NEED THEIR SUPPORT NOW.

    PEOPLE ARE FOR HILLARY, THEY JUST FEEL SHE’S LOST AND ALL HOPE IS GONE.

    WE NEED THE MAN FROM HOPE, ARKANSAS TO BLANKET WVA FOR HER

  13. whoops my post came out funny…. what I meant to say was that we all know he is not competing because we and he knows he will lose BIG. I don’t like the fact the he is using the excuse I didn’t compete.

    I was trying to be sarcastic in my above post but it came out weird. when I said ‘It’s a shame everyone will choose Hillary in the end.’

  14. Dot, what do you say to themwhen they say this? They could make the difference in the pop vote. We need them to vote.

  15. Thanks for the post Admin. I have been looking all day for a new post and was about to leave work, so I thought I should check back.

    The pressure on Hillary has been tremendous these past few days, but she has a laser focus and she WILL fight on. As she said she has been knocked down, but like Rocky she always gets back up.

    SHE WILL BE THE NOMINEE AND SHE WILL BE PRESIDENT.

    I notice that many people here have been down lately, PLEASE DO NOT LET THE NAYSAYERS GET TO YOU. KEEP THE FAITH!!

    Yesterday, I wrote about Lake County and sure enough more and more information is getting out.

    By the way Admin, that video of the poll worker saying that this is Oblameless country should be posted again.

    Good evening fellow Hill fans, tomorrow is another day to fight. BE POSITIVE!

  16. ADMIN!!!!!!!
    Can you post this fantastic video, please?

    i DON’T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

    Fighter.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/

    Cause it makes me that much stronger
    Makes me work a little bit harder
    It makes me that much wiser
    So thanks for making me a fighter

  17. D@MN!!!!!!

    Cause it makes me that much stronger
    Makes me work a little bit harder
    It makes me that much wiser
    So thanks for making me a fighter
    Made me learn a little bit faster
    Made my skin a little bit thicker
    Makes me that much smarter
    So thanks for making me a fighter

  18. mj .. I am telling them to go vote because she CAN win. They believe the media that the math is against her and that she can’t win. The support is there but I’m not convinced phonebanking for me is working ..maybe I’m just too vested since it’s my state.

    They need local media and paper .. they need ads telling WV to get out and vote because it’s not over.

    I have been giving her website for people to read the hubdates and news, telling them that the number is 2209 .. even if it’s 2025 nobody has it. Now the goal post has been moved to whoever has the most delegates at the end of the primary.

    Does anyone know of online support groups for grief.

  19. hawk ..please tell me you are getting better results. I so want wv to blowout for Hill that maybe I’m setting the goal too high. Media has been too and that is one reason I have been hammering them to get up and go vote and go vote NOW. Maybe I should just not do WV .. maybe it’s me being too hard on them

  20. Question:

    If Hillary gets 75% of the vote in WV and KY and Puerto Rico,
    And it goes 60-40 her way in Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota,
    And she gets 87 delegates from Michigan (157 delegates x 55% of the vote, and NONE FOR OBAMA HA HA)
    And 106 delegates from Florida (211 delegates x 50% of the vote is 106, with only 211 x 33% = 70 delegates for Obama)

    Then she has 2,021 delegates already. You need 2209 to win, and there are way more than 200 more superdelegates left. PLUS, SUPERDELEGATES CAN SWITCH TO HILLARY CLINTON AT ANY TIME BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST!!!

    There are probably more superdelegates going on her way too, because of add-ons from where Hillary Clinton did really, really well in a lot of parts of MI and FL. And there will be TONS of add-ons in WV and KY, where she will take every county in both states.

    So why in the hell are people talking about how she can’t do math? The math’s right there in front of them! They’re too dumb to see it.

    SO, our game plan needs to be:

    1. Make Florida and Michigan COUNT!
    2. Send letters and e-mails and calls to the remaining superdelegates, even Obama-pledged ones where the kool-aid is starting to taste not-so-fresh
    3. Make sure Hillary has the money to run a successful campaign in the remaining contests
    4. Make sure we do everything we can to convince voters that they NEED to go out and vote, even if it’s in WV and KY. We don’t want ANY CLINTON SUPPORTER not voting just because they know it is going to be a landslide for her there.
    5. Did I mention calling the superdelegates over and over again? It needs to be done!
    6. BE PROUD! You’re supporting the best candidate our country has had in our lifetimes!

  21. Yeah the media has been trying to up our expectations so we can’t meet them, but we can beat these fools, HRC can so so can we. I am getting okay results. Lots of no answers……I think we will do fine there. Talk about unions, this is the country’s most unionized state…coal.

  22. REposting from the prior thread because I think Im that clever 😉

    The first Matel talking Barbie doll said:
    “Math is hard. Im a girl”
    – circa 1972

    Well math is hard. Im a univesity professor. Im not a girl. But, I think math is hard. So, help me with math. If the nomination is all over because of the math, then why doesn’t Obama have 2025 or 2209 delegates? Everyone says Hillary Clinton should drop out, but following the math, it would be easy for the SDs to end this by all declaring they support BO. Funny thing, they dont do that. Why? She should drop out so they dont have to be part of the math? She should drop out so they dont have to take a stand and make a decision???
    Fat chance.
    It ain’t over yet. Rezko trial closing arguments start on May 12th. Rev Wright hasn’t gone away. There are more contests and you know what?
    WE HAVEN’T HELD THE CONVENTION YET.
    So yes, math is hard but somehow, I think our girl, supergirl is doing the math just fine. Too bad the media cant add right.
    Hillary is in this contest until there is a nominee. She is in to win.

  23. anyone else use yahoo mail .. mines completed assed up now with beta? basil, I’m not able to get into my email to forward this to you .. all I get is attach files link and a beta page. I’ll keep trying. yahoo is my only email cliet cau se I never figured out how to set up the windows one using satellie

  24. Hey, is anyone else here from Wisconsin? I am meeting maybe 10 HRC supporters there at the Capitol building in Madison on Saturday morning (during the Farmer’s market). We’re going to be handing out stickers and trying to register people to vote. Anybody nearby who wants to help out is welcome. 😀

    If anyone is interested, I can get you my email address.

    I know Wisconsin has already voted in the primaries, but I’m looking at the bigger picture here. Can’t start thinking about the GE early enough, especially if I have a few free hours on Saturday morning and some very vocal Hillary supporter friends with me anyway. It’ll be good to get off this computer and get some fresh air, too.

  25. dot48 – I have yahoo, but I don’t use the beta version. When it tried to get me to use beta about a year ago, I switched it back because I thought it was annoying. My yahoo e-mail is working just fine.

  26. hallow … Hill will not carry every county in both states of Wv and Ky. Let’s not get expectations up too much. MOF I’d rather we lowered the game a bit.

  27. Remember my idea?

    Admin can you post this?

    Assignment for the weekend – go to the dollar store and purchase the fake money. Take it out of the package and put it in a brown envelope. Enclose a letter to the DNC as well declaring that this was the best you can do becuase the DNC does not want to represent the people of the United States – any volunteers on drafting a letter so we can copy and paste it and then be able to print it out and sign our name – and finally mail it out on Monday – any suggestions on how we can alert the media because we know DNC is not going to report this? If we mail it out on Monday and it gets there on Wed or Thurs its perfect because it’ll get there after we work hard to win West Virginia for Hillary!

  28. I think it’s time for bitter, bible thumping, gun toting remarks to get opened again. peoples memories are very, very short

  29. Hillary is fighting hard for us, now let’s fight for her!!

    EVERYONE: PLEASE DEVOTE AT LEAST 1 HOUR TO MAKING CALLS TO WEST VIRGINIA, OREGON, AND KENTUCKY TODAY, TOMORROW AND THIS WEEKEND!!!

    the narrative: Hill is in it to win it. She can still win this if she takes over the popular vote! Tell them that every SINGLE vote matters!!!

    Let’s channel some positive energy and make a difference!

    MAKE CALLS, MAKE CALLS, MAKE CALLS!!!

  30. Yes, I have reminded several people about Bitter-gate and offered them the website to see Barack Obama’s senate records from Springfield. the 2nd amendment is big in WV, so are unions, the bible, the tax issue (use the gas tax and her plan to cut middle class taxes)….

  31. hallow
    You forgot the FL amd MI SD’s who can not vote unless there is a resolution. There are about 53 of them and of those that have endorsed, Hillary leads 15 to 5

  32. rjk1957 – Yeah, they would be part of the 270(?) superdelegates left after the rest of the primaries. Way more than Hillary needs to win the nomination.

  33. dot48 Says:

    May 8th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
    hallow … Hill will not carry every county in both states of Wv and Ky. Let’s not get expectations up too much. MOF I’d rather we lowered the game a bit.

    I don’t think we can afford to lower the game very much at all.

    I think the only county Hillary Clinton has any chance of not winning is maybe Jefferson County in KY? I don’t know. But she has a really great chance of winning all the counties in WV, and a decent chance of winning all or all but one in KY.

    You’re from WV, right? There aren’t seriously any places in WV where Obama could beat a 40 point spread right?!

  34. Just watched Matthews interview Wolfson.He is an egomaniac,with his bad manners spit ladened motor mouth tactics.Trying ti imitate the Nazi interrogators and his shameful hate for Hillary so evident.MSNBC scraped the bottom of the barrel when they hired this sad bunch of characters and calls then Journalists.

    Did anyone noticed that Matthews DYED HIS WHITE HAIR?I have seen him do this once before many years ago.Keeps trying to hide his immaturity.Perhaps he is getting ready to replace the ailing PA Sen. Arlen Specter and is courting the Eastern PA Jewish community.He boasted of being a solid religious person and has visited his favorite nation,three times and just loves Israel and its great brave citizens,Talk about PANDERING.He is already making campaign speeches.He is going to need a new job when Hillary becomes the first Woman PRESIDENT.I don’t he would dare to show his ugly nature and bias here in W.PA. Also notice,His hair is almost the same shade as Arlen’s.

    He is one poor excuse for a man.Second in line behind BHO

  35. Updated signs of desperation for the Obama campaign:

    1) weirdness in Lake County
    2) threatening us with riots
    3) bullying the public by declaring the winner May 20 WITHOUT all the everyone being able to vote…or not counting all the votes.
    4) fake time magazine cover
    5) bo’s infamous desperation lap

    The Obama camp is desperate! They are starting to crack.”

  36. How many times do I have to say it?

    JOHN. EDWARDS. WILL. NOT. SUPPORT. BARACK. OBAMA.!!

    Not unless Obama is the nominee, and there is no choice to back him.

    Elizabeth Edwards is known to support Hillary Clinton! Elizabeth and John have good communication with each other. I am sure that John Edwards supports Hillary along with her wife.

    But they should go forward and say it for chrissakes!

    You’d think he would have back before NC, when it would have made a difference…

  37. Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President

    just you wait and see. She’s got a lot of fight left and she can do math.

    Nice to have you back Ronald.

  38. MJ…et all

    I wouldn’t dismiss Larry sinclair so quickly…..his lie detector test was given but the results were conflicting
    one said he passed and the other said he didn’t, another doctor has testified that he passed……

    after everything we already know about obama…..I find it humorous that you would be so quick to say that isn’t possible

    that LS is a opportunist…..says you……I happen to think LS could very well be telling the truth and BO would love it if everyone
    believed that LS was a quack.

    just as he would have you believe he never heard JW in church or that he only did 5 hrs of work for TRezko or that he doesn’t have a relationship with Bill and Bernadette Ayers……..ha! I say LS is quite possible and even if he isn’t, it can’t hurt hillary to talk about it as it is…we need to push it to the MSM get it talked about , get it investigated

  39. check out the memo from McCain’s strategist today to BO (source: thepage.time.com)

    To: Interested Parties

    From: Mark Salter, Senior Advisor

    Date: May 8, 2008

    Re: Senator Obama’s Attack Today

    First, let us be clear about the nature of Senator Obama’s attack today: He used the words ‘losing his bearings’ intentionally, a not particularly clever way of raising John McCain’s age as an issue. This is typical of the Obama style of campaigning.

    We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.

    It is important to focus on what Senator Obama is attempting to do here: He is trying desperately to delegitimize the discussion of issues that raise legitimate questions about his judgment and preparedness to be President of the United States.

    Through their actions and words, Senator Obama and his supporters have made clear that ANY criticism on ANY issue — from his desire to raise taxes on millions of small investors to his radical plans to sit down face-to-face with Iranian President Ahmadinejad – constitute negative, personal attacks.

    Senator Obama is hopeful that the media will continue to form a protective barrier around him, declaring serious limits to the questions, discussion and debate in this race.

    Senator Obama has good reason to think this plan will succeed, as serious journalists have written of the need for ‘de-tox’ to cure ’swooning’ over Senator Obama, and others have admitted to losing their objectivity while with him on the campaign trail.

    Today, Senator Obama is complaining about comments John McCain made about a senior Hamas advisor stating that Hamas would welcome Senator Obama’s election as president. Indeed, on April 13th, senior Hamas political advisor Ahmed Yousef said, ‘We don’t mind – actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance.’

    The McCain campaign has never suggested that Senator Obama supports Hamas’ agenda, but it is more than fair to raise this quote about Senator Obama because it speaks to the policy implications of his judgment.

    Just today, the president of Iran, whom Senator Obama wants to meet with unconditionally, called the state of Israel a ’stinking corpse.’ Iran is the paymaster and state sponsor of Hamas.

    In his victory speech this week, Senator Obama stated that ‘wisdom’ is meeting with our enemies, including Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, North Korea’s Kim Jong Il, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and Cuba’s Raul Castro. John McCain couldn’t disagree more. Rather than giving tyrants and dictators the prestige of meeting with an American president, John McCain will instead meet with the champions of human freedom around the world and opposition leaders fighting for liberty .

    We understand why Senator Obama doesn’t want to engage in a debate over leadership and judgment with John McCain, but the American people demand that debate take place.

    These are serious times that call for a serious debate on the profound issues facing our future. John McCain is ready for that debate and we hope Senator Obama will one day get serious and join it.

    Love this! Let the gloves come off and let’s all kick BO’s butt!

  40. Wow, it really is incredible how quickly media perception changes. I just don’t get all this. IN/NC didn’t really decide that many delegates net for Obama. As far as I can tell, resolving FL/MI in favor of Hillary puts her within just over 30 delegates of Obama. Doesn’t this whole race still depend on resolution of FL/MI and superdelegates? This is very much a horserace if Hillary gets her way at the end of this month. All of this hysteria about these 2 states being a “game changer” doesn’t make sense to me.

  41. sorry hallow….time might run it after all……I will have to remove it.

    I wonder where people got it though since it wasn’t on their website.

  42. Updated signs of desperation for the Obama campaign:

    1) weirdness in Lake County
    2) threatening us with riots
    3) bullying the public by declaring the winner May 20 WITHOUT everyone being able to vote…or not counting all the votes in FL & MI.
    4) bo’s infamous desperation lap

    The Obama camp is desperate! They are starting to crack.”

  43. dedfg – That sucks. Screw TIME, and CNN.

    linfar – Did Donna Brazile really say that Hillary supporters should go fuck themselves? Like, with the f word and everything (or even screw instead of fuck?). That would be very serious. No politician can get away with that, except for Dick Cheney.

    And, no offense, but I’m drunk on the anti-Bush wine too. A democrat is going to win in November. Sorry!

  44. Im reposting this because it keeps getting deleted but I think its true:

    When you pulled the string, the first talking Barbie doll would say:

    “Math is hard. Im a girl”.

    Well math is hard. I’m not a girl. But, I am a university professor and I think math is hard.

    So let’s see what does the math show? The democratic nominee needs 2025 OR 2209 votes to secure the nomination. Neither candidate has that number. But superdelegates could end it by simply declaring that their remaining votes will all go to Obama. Then doing the math, Obama would be the nominee. But, he isn’t the nominee. Why? Because of the math. Duh. Why are all these people telling Hillary Clinton to pull out of the race? Simple:

    BECAUSE THEY WANT HER TO DO THE MATH FOR THEM.

    If Hillary Clinton drops out then the SDs dont have to commit. They dont have to make a decision. They want her to make the hard choices for them. They want her to end the race but they are too afraid to do so themselves. So following this math, the race is on. We haven’t even had the convention yet. And if you think about it, no one adds up any of the numbers for real until Denver.

    Well our girl, Supergirl, Hillary Clinton can do the math. She knows she can win and she’s in it to win.

  45. Now this is how the Clinton campaign should have handled waffles:

    To: Interested Parties

    From: Mark Salter, Senior Advisor

    Date: May 8, 2008

    Re: Senator Obama’s Attack Today

    First, let us be clear about the nature of Senator Obama’s attack today: He used the words ‘losing his bearings’ intentionally, a not particularly clever way of raising John McCain’s age as an issue. This is typical of the Obama style of campaigning.

    We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.

    It is important to focus on what Senator Obama is attempting to do here: He is trying desperately to delegitimize the discussion of issues that raise legitimate questions about his judgment and preparedness to be President of the United States.

    Through their actions and words, Senator Obama and his supporters have made clear that ANY criticism on ANY issue — from his desire to raise taxes on millions of small investors to his radical plans to sit down face-to-face with Iranian President Ahmadinejad – constitute negative, personal attacks.

    Senator Obama is hopeful that the media will continue to form a protective barrier around him, declaring serious limits to the questions, discussion and debate in this race.

    Senator Obama has good reason to think this plan will succeed, as serious journalists have written of the need for ‘de-tox’ to cure ’swooning’ over Senator Obama, and others have admitted to losing their objectivity while with him on the campaign trail.

    Today, Senator Obama is complaining about comments John McCain made about a senior Hamas advisor stating that Hamas would welcome Senator Obama’s election as president. Indeed, on April 13th, senior Hamas political advisor Ahmed Yousef said, ‘We don’t mind – actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance.’

    The McCain campaign has never suggested that Senator Obama supports Hamas’ agenda, but it is more than fair to raise this quote about Senator Obama because it speaks to the policy implications of his judgment.

    Just today, the president of Iran, whom Senator Obama wants to meet with unconditionally, called the state of Israel a ’stinking corpse.’ Iran is the paymaster and state sponsor of Hamas.

    In his victory speech this week, Senator Obama stated that ‘wisdom’ is meeting with our enemies, including Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, North Korea’s Kim Jong Il, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and Cuba’s Raul Castro. John McCain couldn’t disagree more. Rather than giving tyrants and dictators the prestige of meeting with an American president, John McCain will instead meet with the champions of human freedom around the world and opposition leaders fighting for liberty .

    We understand why Senator Obama doesn’t want to engage in a debate over leadership and judgment with John McCain, but the American people demand that debate take place.

    These are serious times that call for a serious debate on the profound issues facing our future. John McCain is ready for that debate and we hope Senator Obama will one day get serious and join it.

  46. mj – That certainly wasn’t on the website earlier today.

    It’ll be funny though if it is totally obvious that they’re wrong by the time the magazine comes out with that stupid cover (May 19th? That gives us 11 days.)

  47. LOL tweety must have colored his hair a bit darker this week …..is he trying to defy age??

  48. Brian Williams at the very top of the NBC Nightly News was a RIOT:

    A lot of the analysts, our own Tim Russert included, are telling us the math just isn’t there for Senator Clinton to get this nomination, barring an emergency or an act of God, yet SHE CAMPAIGNED IN THREE SEPARATE STATES TODAY !

    I was laughing my ass off.

  49. That McCain memo is right on the money.

    I loved these grafs:

    Through their actions and words, Senator Obama and his supporters have made clear that ANY criticism on ANY issue — from his desire to raise taxes on millions of small investors to his radical plans to sit down face-to-face with Iranian President Ahmadinejad – constitute negative, personal attacks.

    Senator Obama is hopeful that the media will continue to form a protective barrier around him, declaring serious limits to the questions, discussion and debate in this race.

  50. WHEW!!!!
    Just made 10 calls. I can’t seem to do much more because I get winded very easily and speaking too long gets me out of breath
    but the people in WVa are charming. I will so 10 more tomorrow.
    of the 10 calls:
    3 voice mail messages
    1 for mcCain
    1 indecided
    4 for HRC
    1 was CONVINCED to vote for HRC!

  51. I am so thankful that McCain’s team is calling out the media front and center. DO NOT believe that the McCain team will softglove him. I hope it starts asap. He has shown he has a glass jaw and the faster teh repubs take him down, all the while leaving Hillary to her campaign…the better.

  52. May 8, 2008

    Senator Barack Obama
    Obama for America
    P.O. Box 8102
    Chicago, IL 60680

    Dear Senator Obama,

    This has been an historic and exciting campaign. Millions of new voters have been brought into the process and their enthusiasm for the Democratic Party and the principles for which you and I have fought and continue to fight is unprecedented.

    One of the foremost principles of our party is that citizens be allowed to vote and that those votes be counted. That principle is not currently being applied to the nearly 2.5 million people who voted in primaries in Florida and Michigan. Whoever emerges as the Democratic nominee will be hamstrung in the general election if a fair and quick resolution is not reached that ensures that the voices of these voters are heard. Our commitment now to this goal could be the difference between winning and losing in November.

    I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. We cannot ignore the fact that the people in those states took the time to be a part of this process and to make their preferences known. When efforts were untaken by leaders in those states to hold revotes to ensure that they had a voice in selecting our nominee, I supported those efforts. In Michigan, I supported a legislative effort to hold a revote that the Democratic National Committee said was in complete compliance with the party’s rules. You did not support those efforts and your supporters in Michigan publically opposed them. In Florida a number of revote options were proposed. I am not aware of any that you supported. In 2000, the Republicans won an election by successfully opposing a fair counting of votes in Florida. As Democrats, we must reject any proposals that would do the same.

    Your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated.

    I am asking you to join me in working with representatives from Florida and Michigan and the Democratic National Committee to arrive at a solution that honors the votes of the millions of people who went to the polls in Florida and Michigan. It is not enough to simply seat their representatives at the convention in Denver. The people of these great states, like the people who have voted and are to vote in other states, must have a voice in selecting our party’s nominee.

    Sincerely,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  53. birdgal, Her campaign essentially had one hand tied behind its back because the media accused them of race-baiting and dirty tactics when they dared criticize Waffles. McCain and the GOP won’t be operating under those constraints. And it’s clear McCain going to use the media coddling of Obama as a big issue. Hell, I would too.

  54. who thinks McCain will pick Charlie Crist to be his veep and make Romney a chief economist.

    Crist is well loved in Florida and this whole debacle with the votes in Florida is not going to be forgotten.

    I think the dems shot themselves in the foot with this…even a semi successful resolution at this time will leave a bad taste in peoples mouths. While Nov is months away, I know that my disdain for the evil tactics of the obama camp will never be forgotten and will not be far from my mind when I vote in November.

  55. nbc nightly news-hillary is still campaigning. yep still campaigning bc neither has won the nom-duh.

  56. don’t know about his sexual orientation and don’t care. People liked him well enough in Florida so he climbed that hill already.

  57. Hillary is sooooooooooo smart!! by one writing this letter and two by making it public she squarely put the ball in obama’s court
    he only has 2 choices now, one…..acknowledge her letter and agree to enfranchising fl and mi or ignoring her letter which states loud and clear that he is loudly and clearly saying “F you Fl and MI”

    as well as saying ” i am a F’en whimp,wheezle,liar,scumbag etc”

  58. Hallow, Brazille told Begala as much.

    And I will not support Obama if he is the nominee. Thass all.

    I would think about it if it was a combo ticket.

  59. I don’t care if he is gay either. I just don’t think that would fly well in the Republican party.

  60. justmeinmountdorafl,

    Damn! I had that all ‘C’d. Now you stopped me from ‘P’ing.

    One what couldn’t be a more serious note, I’ve gotten very mixed signals today, some quite upsetting from McAulliffe.
    Biggest thing – no shift of SD’s.

    More talking head douchebags, one just said Hill would steal it and said the mulahs of democratic party were waiting to steal it. Unreal.

  61. why in the hell can’t Hill people get on the news to point out there is still an election going on? They are going to marginalize her within the next few days.

    I can’t believe that her team can’t go straight to the hosts themselves to get a seat at the table on these shows…

    Sis just called!!! Bill is going to my old home town!!!!!!!!!! OMG .. I wish I could so go now. I didn’t answer the phone cause she and I had been arguing this morning.

    I called the campaign too and told them to get Bill into that area.
    Gives me hope! I so hope he can convince them not to give up on her and to cast their vote for her

  62. “why in the hell can’t Hill people get on the news to point out there is still an election going on? ”

    I am beginning to wonder if the media won’t let them….

  63. tabby, if it flew in Florida, it will fly. Crist is an incredible politician. I fully believe if he doesn’t run with McCain he will be th next Republican nominee.

  64. mcaulife syas it will be over june 15-how reaauring. not. bill says to hill-take to the conv according to wsj.

  65. Blue Dem – sorrrwwweee –

    I dont exactly see anyone jumping ship yet, I think both (although I know Hillary is the credible one) presents a good argument, and some just wants to let the states play itself out before siding with anyone.

  66. Paula, I know, and the McCain camp recognizes that these hypocritical tactics have been used against Hillary. They see through the “smoke and mirrors.” I sent that memo to the campaign, as feedback for Garin.

  67. dot48-

    See? I told you! Hillary and Bill will win them over.

    I still remember watching CNN the night of the PA primaries. David Gergen said, well clearly the race is over since she isn’t going to win by a wide margin, more than 5 or 6%, according to the exit polls.

    Funny thing she did win by a huge margin. More than 10%. Math is hard.

  68. I’m with BILL .. don’t give up and don’t give in to their sorry asses. There is no shame in going to the floor and it is a LONG way till August.

    I don’t know how much $ she’d need to go to the convention floor … I reckon she could make arrangements on her campaign debt and we can keep sending $.

    I’d be more heartfelt if I knew she’d take it to the floor .. she’s worked too hard no matter what the page looks like on June 15 .. unless Terry knows something we don’t.

    Waffles now floating her as on “anyone’s” short list as veep .. more ass kissing to try to turn her supporters… he knows he can’t win without her

  69. Now Garin and HillCamp needs to take a swipe off the McCain memo and let the party and the media know that they are not the only one who sees the media asskissing and they are no longer gonna softball him.

    Go Nuclear .. It’s now or never

  70. mj,
    “texan, why the hell is terry saying that???”

    Not address to me but let’s see if we can figure this out.

    My most hopeful guess is they realize this is the full-on media push by BO & Big Media. And by giving the appearance of offering olive branches if you will, they’re hoping to quiet the uproar in order to get to WV and KY, because they know that’s the intent of the onslaught, to depress turnout.

    Someone please tell me there’s some validity to this or I’m gonna jump.

    Seriously.

  71. dot: that is why, I sent it to them. Thank God, the McCain campaign is not going to take this bulls***.

  72. Blue-

    terry has been saying that but also been saying that Hillary will be the nominee. I think he knows something that is going to swing it her way- probably involving FL and MI. Even Donna B was saying the penalty was draconian and should be reconsidered- which is funny cause she came up with it.

  73. read on TM that Obama will declare himself the nominee after Oregon, what’s up with that?

  74. just me .. he’s also gonna raise dead, cause lame to walk, heal the blind .. he thinks he’s the Messiah.

    Seriously, this guy is looney. I hope Bill Clinton calls him on this shit just as soon as possible. He can’t declare himself the nominee and it just shows how green he is.

    I guess this is his new politics .. just say it and it’s so. That’s what his whole astroturf campaign has been in reality.

    There is one thing about it .. the republicans have already fired the first shot across the bow .. no nicey, nicey from them and the coddling by the media .. well, they have their own network if necessary

  75. Well, once again an obama troll has copied comments from here and printed them in my diary at mydd.

    And then they wonder why they are losing votes? It boggles the mind. So anyway. say what you would like right here and you can have it copied over at mydd.

    You can garner all the free publicity you would like this way 🙂

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/8/185154/1963

  76. Rush Limbaugh Says There Is A Nuclear Bomb To Drop On Obama!!!

    ——————————————————————————–

    I can’t believe I am actually listening to Rush Limbaugh, but he hinted of a huge story that will come out in the next 10 days regarding BO that will blow him out of the water. Sinclair, drugs, Donald Young? Even my own family, who support Hill big time, never heard of Larry Sinclair until I mentioned him. They were incredulous! Why no MSN they asked. Who will have the courage to break this wide open in the MSN?

    Maybe this?

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d…ead.php?t=9959

    Update: Dick Morris just said on Hannitys radio show he will reveal what will win the election for The Reps on Hannity and Colmes tonight. Another tease!!!!

  77. I’m sigining off for the night gang, but I will leave you with this:

    Here’s a copy of the letter I emailed to everyone on my address book to raise money. Feel free to cut and paste or borrow in any way:

    RE: Hillary Clinton is going to be our next president.

    As many of you know I have been campaigning hard for Hillary Clinton and I am serving on the New England Steering committe for her campaign.

    I am emailing you to ask for your support for Hillary Clinton at a critical time. As the events of the last few days have shown, she is in this primary contest to win and she intends to win the general election and be the president of the United States.

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/FBX5

    Everyone knows the campaigns are all raising money and spending it rapidly on what has turned out to be a 50 state primary battle. I think it is so exciting that the campaign is going to every state in the country and not being decided in just New Hampshire and Iowa. Today, there is a critical deadline and the campaign has a matching funds program where any donation given before Midnight tonight will be matched by another donor. Your contribution will be doubled. With the reporting deadline approaching, every dollar we bring in by midnight tonight can make the difference in this race. Please consider donating any amount $5, $25, or whatever you can afford by clicking on the link below:

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/FBX5

    I firmly believe that supporting one candidate does not mean demonizing the other. I support Hillary Clinton because her practical centrist common sense detailed policies resonate with me. I think she knows what she is doing and she gives me confidence she will do the right thing. But don’t just take my word for it, listen to Maya Angelou:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOjD7GrrpC0

    If you donate to the campaign by clicking on the link below, I will get credit as a HillRaiser. But you can also log on to http://www.hillaryclinton.com and donate on your own or use the code FBX5.

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/FBX5

    I know Hillary has the strength and experience America needs, and she needs our help to win!

    Thank you,
    Ron

  78. texan4hillary,

    Where is that WSJ blurb? Can’t find it in today’s issue, and losing it!!!

    That would be the ultimate bit of info right now. If Big Dawg (rightly) thinks we should go to denver, that’s where we’re going.

  79. DICK MORRIS LOWDOWN!!!!!

    MORE about his connection to obama, Radinga, Kenya, christian bloodbath, etc.!!!!!!!
    We gotta get Bill-O in on this!!!!!
    from TM:
    Dick Morris, you are a GD liar!!
    IronMan | 05.08.2008 – 5:10 pm | #
    =============================
    The only reason Dick Morris has to have Barack Obama be the Democratic Nominee is because he is scared out of his ass. He was the one who recommended Raila Odinga to have the thousand man march similar to Farrakhan adn Nation of Islam in Kenya when he lost the Presidency. It turned into a bloodbath for the opposition… People and children machetted in the streets and burned alive in Christian churches. Yes Dick morris is rightly scared of his influence along with Barack obama coming out in the main media. Read the link:
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/31/obamas-african-hubris-2/
    and a good read here:
    /worlddefensereview.com/esman040908.shtml
    HyTimes | 05.08.2008 – 6:26 pm

  80. I think Hillary’s team KNOWS that Limbaugh and Hannity and company are getting ready to drop the next wave of nuclear attacks on Obama, and they’re almost encouraging them to do so by hinting that gosh, well, maybe Obama IS the nominee after all.

    There is so much stuff we can still see: Obama’s former drug dealers, Rezko associates, Ayers, more Wright info, etc. etc. The guy has been vetted about as much as Harriet Myers was vetted.

  81. Bad bad move by Obama attacking McCain.

    Rookie mistake, being big-headed enough to think this race is over.

    Now he went and stirred a hornet’s nest.

  82. go vote in that WV Gazette poll .. one thing about it .. the bots will get to every online poll and vote their ass off.

  83. linfar,

    i dunno. I try to login and couldn’t remember my username so they emailed it to me and then i tried to reset my password and i still can’t log on. 😳

    That’s why i never go over there. Maybe i’m too distracted. probably gotta start all over from the beginning.

    but i liked your article. i’m still interested in reading one you mentioned sometime during the past week – forgot the name – i think it was also at TM.

  84. This is ferom the WSJ recap story today;

    texan, where’s that blurb you cited please?

    “Yet one of Sen. Obama’s first encounters Tuesday illustrated the unique hurdles he faces. Entering an Indiana restaurant before 8 a.m., he approached a man breakfasting alone. The man waved him off. “I can’t stand him,” he later told a reporter, adding incorrectly, “He’s a Muslim. He’s not even pro-American as far as I’m concerned.”

  85. justme,

    read on TM that Obama will declare himself the nominee after Oregon

    That will look pretty silly after he loses West Virginia and Kentucky.

  86. berkeley,

    i was listening to rush in the car and a caller asked him about the next big bombshell and rush says Wright was it – there wasn’t anything else – and if Waffles was still standing after the Jerry show, he might be indestructible.
    If Rush had anything he would’ve said it or at least hinted there would be another bombshell. he didn’t.i

  87. (May 8, 2008): “Feminist Trailblazer Hillary Clinton – Women Are the Core of the Democratic Party” (TGW Blog) – Important article…

    ——————————————————————————–

    http://WWW.guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/…ry-rodham.html

    Quote:

    “Do you know how difficult it is for women to stand up and say we are the best at anything? The Democratic Party has to know that women are the core, women have to be at the table and women are going to be heard as we continue in these contests until they finally end.” — Hillary Rodham Clinton

    She was speaking to a gathering of 1,500 at the “Generations of Women for Hillary” fundraiser at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington. The women gave her “a thunderous and extended standing ovation.” And why not? She is the women’s candidate. She represents us. She is opening doors for us. In the short span of her historic presidential campaign, Hillary Rodham Clinton has taken a lifetime of venomous misogyny and she has taken it for all of us. If she has not reawakened the long dormant feminist movement, no one can. If she wins, we win. If she loses, we lose.

  88. dot,

    yup. it’s already 47% waffles 29% HRC.

    BTW- I CALLED! 5 out of 10 for HRC!!!!!

    Wil do another dozen tomorrow. 😀

    AND I got a call for fundraising from the HRC LA office. i said I’d donated over $150 in the past week.

  89. Anyone know where this bit about BC telling HRC to go to the convention is?

    Repubs aren’t stupid enough to unload while Hill’s in. They’re keeping their powder dry…

  90. THUG POLITICS…. YES

    Big media is now lying more than ever when the say Tuesday’s results is a validation of Obama’s candidacy and that he has “weathered the storm” – That NOW the race is ABSOLUTELY Decided. BSHIT.

    “It’s over” is just another way of saying what they have been saying since this race started:

    THAT EVIL BITCH NEEDS TO QUIT NOW.

    Obama’s support is coming from RICH WHITE PEOPLE, who just don’t get it. Is that because they JUST DONT CARE? They don’t care – The Russerts and Huffingtons and Matthews and Olberman’s and the whole lot of them are RICH AND COMFORTABLE.

    The Bush years have been just fine for them, steak dinners, the best health care in the country – good enough even for these SLOTH, and millions of dollars. – this whole thing is one big F**CKN GAME TO THEM.

    Hillary did much better than expected in GUAM NC AND Indiana. But they sabotage her by saying that she needs to do the impossible. What about winning the will of the people. And that means COUNTING ALL THE VOTES!

    Pelosi and Mcgovern’s will of the people is not the PEOPLE, it is the RICH WHITE PEOPLE running the Democratic party. More sloth that needs to GO!

    HILLARY IS 44.

    DONT GIVE UP

  91. have to work hard to ensure that the West Virginians knows the race is FAR from over and that if they feel Hillary best reprsents the state then come out strong and show your strong support for Hillary!

  92. ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    They are JAMMIN over at TM.

    “On May 20, His Highness, Obambi the Precious, will declare himself the next President of the United States immediately after turning water into chablis and walking across the Potomac to the Lincoln Mall. In Oct, 2009, the Selfchosen One will appoint himself King of the World upon raising the Titanic.”
    democraticjack | 05.08.2008 – 7:56 pm

  93. Please send letter to this SDs.

    Exclusive: Montana superdelegate says Hillary ‘can’t unite us’Beverly Davis
    Published: Thursday May 8, 2008

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    Says she doesn’t think Clinton can ‘unite us’

    Updated 3:38 PM ET.

    Jean Lemire Dahlman, a rancher and National Democratic committeewoman from Forsyth, Montana told RAW STORY that she will give Sen. Obama her superdelegate vote and explained why discounting much of the argument Sen. Clinton has been using to continue her campaign.

    A local newspaper interview published in April said that Dahlman would endorse Obama but she told us this was her formal endorsement of the Illinois senator.

    “When you’re in college and you read Plato’s Philosopher King, you think, yeah, that’s what I want in a leader; someone who can lead and unite us and I’m not sure Hillary can,” Dahlman said. “She’s smart. She’s capable, but I don’t think she can unite us and that’s why I’m giving Barack Obama my superdelegate vote.”

    Dahlman said, “When I told the Obama campaign back in April that I would endorse him, I wasn’t sure if it was or it wasn’t distributed. I didn’t read any newspaper stories about it or see it on the news websites and we don’t have a television.”

    The Dahlmans live on a sprawling ranch outside the rural town of Forsyth in a village called Rosebud. Tucked away in the southeastern part of Montana near the Wyoming border and the Yellowstone River, Rosebud is not far from where Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer camped before his ultimate defeat at the Battle of Little Bighorn in 1876. Dahlman is predicting a similar defeat for Sen. Clinton should she stay in the race by the time Montana Democrats vote in the last primary of the season June 3.

    “There’s no ‘white working voter’ problem for Barack here,” Dahlman continued. “Yesterday, I was at the post office and I asked a retired welder – a union guy – if he was going to Billings tomorrow to see Bill [Clinton] and he said he didn’t think he should since he’s going to vote for Barack. And another guy – a young electrician – told me that he’s supporting Barack and working hard for him. The people I see on the street are all white and they have no problem voting for a man whose father is black. It’s what he stands for – he’s authentic, he isn’t pandering and he’s telling us the truth – that’s why people here are voting for him and that’s why he’ll win Montana.”

    There are 8 Montana superdelegates. Two have already endorsed Obama and Ms. Dahlman’s vote brings his total to three. None has yet endorsed Sen. Clinton.

    “I care about health care insurance, the economy, and the war in Iraq and I also want a person who is unafraid to go against the grain, even when it’s unpopular,” Dahlman added. “I don’t give a dime about [Sen. Clinton] gas roll-back plan. It’s not going to do us any good in the long run and when Obama came out against that – that’s what I’m looking for. Nonsense issues like the gas roll-back or wearing an American flag pin on your lapel. He [Barack] keeps tells the people the truth.”

    Dahlman said she was hesitant to make her vote public on a news website even though she had told several active Democrats which direction she was leaning saying.

    “I just don’t want to influence anyone’s vote because there is so much enthusiasm for our primary,” she said. “I want everyone to vote their conscience but as a superdelegate I also get to vote that way, too.”

    She also added, “Oh, and I have friends who are hardcore Hillary backers and I didn’t want to offend them. I want to be a National [Democratic] committeewoman again. This is a small town.”

    Correction: The first edition of this article stated Sen. Obama’s total committed superdelegate count in Montana was four. The total is three with Ms. Dahlman’s vote.

  94. GUYS! THIS IS LONG but USEFUL
    from TM

    One more time: these are the Obama supers and leaners. Tell them you will never vote for barack obama.

    Email Email2
    jdavies@alaska.net
    dsburk@bellsouth.net
    acelftr@yahoo.com
    avalon@samoatelco.com
    stevenalari@gmail.com
    jeremybernard@mac.com
    mee1@ix.netcom.com
    rachel.armor@gmail.com
    arooker@cwa9400.com alexroo78@aol.com
    sandra.soto@yahoo.com
    sfpelosi@yahoo.com
    jeff@kieloch.com
    vote4normatorres@aol.com
    watkins9171@cs.com
    debbiefordnc@debbiemarquez.com
    dan@danslaterlaw.com
    aavallone@bmdlaw.com
    mjdunleavy@aol.com
    safontana@aol.com
    yalexander@dccouncil.us
    burgera@seiu.org
    aldixon@adainc.net
    jeffdrndc@yahoo.com
    paulstrauss@aol.com
    hthomas@dccouncil.us hthomas@dccouncil.us
    jzogby@aaiusa.org
    joyce.cusack@myfloridahouse.gov
    allan.katz@akerman.com
    jane@democraticpartyofgeorgia.org jane@georgiademocrat.org
    longm22@bellsouth.net
    davidscottforcongress@gmail.co
    alohagov@yahoo.com
    mfitz9@hotmail.com
    dloebsack@mchsi.com
    seiusarah@msn.com
    gailbray@yahoo.com
    worleyvill@rezmail.com
    gtb@maukburgoyne.com
    keith@idaho-democrats.org
    wbarrow@rainbowpush.org
    maggieblackshere@sbcglobal.net
    churchyone@aol.com
    janicefuentes@hotmail.com
    staterep-constance-a-howard@comcast.net
    thynes@chapman.com
    ttrimmer@ilsenatedemocrats.com
    mapes@ildems.com
    iymartinez@prodigy.net
    carolronen@aol.com
    christian.field@gmail.com
    sarah@janschakowsky.org
    mrliuna@aol.com
    dwburnett1101@aol.com
    mwoods@willcountyillinois.com
    campaign@andrecarson.com
    CThurman@uaw.net
    kinchel@sbcglobal.net
    randyroy@cox.net
    governor@ksgovernor.com
    benjeffers@benjeffersinc.com
    cuda1@verizon.net
    scott_fay@kennedy.senate.gov eric_mogilnicki@kennedy.senate.gov
    david_mckean@kerry.senate.gov julie_wirkkala@kerry.senate.gov
    debbyskoz@cs.com
    tripdirector@yahoo.com
    ads@sb-ventures.com aherold@sb-ventures.com
    johnewalsh@comcast.net
    mdxifaras@prodigy.net
    cummingsforcon@aol.com
    griffinassoc1@aol.com
    mjneville@mstanea.org
    kpopeatty@hotmail.com
    sarahemebet@gmail.com
    chair@mainedems.org
    marianne2@tds.net
    JOHN.CONYERS@MAIL.HOUSE.GOV
    kim.rudolph@mail.house.gov
    r0llinz55@hotmail.com
    rickwiener@wienerassociates.com
    dcassutt@dfl.org
    kennethfoxworth568@msn.com
    sean_richardson@klobuchar.senate.gov kate_nilan@klobuchar.senate.gov
    nanlars@ll.net
    bmelendez@dfl.org bmelendez@faegre.com
    sen.mee.moua@senate.mn
    robin.carnahan@sos.mo.gov phyllis.allsbury@sos.mo.gov
    russ@russcarnahan.org
    sean_kennedy@mccaskill.senate.gov angela_elsbury@mccaskill.senate.gov
    monteelaw@stjoelive.com
    jpattonrx@aol.com
    esanders@sanlaw.net
    mcamobellhd31@yahoo.com

    LemireDahlman@rangeweb.net
    stephanie_schriock@tester.senate.gov
    montanaflyfish@yahoo.com
    joycebrayboy@gmail.com
    judgebutterfield@aol.com
    jcouncil@co.cumberland.nc.us
    jmeek@ncdp.org
    geri_gaginis@conrad.senate.gov
    elizabeth_gore@dorgan.senate.gov christy_beach@dorgan.senate.gov
    dhannaher@hannahers.com
    maxsonlaw@minot.com
    reneepf@btinet.net
    strauss_david@msn.com
    mwake@medicine.nodak.edu
    achelpohl@usa.net
    katfahey@cox.net
    franklamere@msn.com
    melanie_rogge@bennelson.senate.gov
    dostergard@neb.rr.com
    vimapo@aol.com
    martha.fullerclark@leg.state.nh.us
    dnorcross@snjaflcio.org
    danaredd999@yahoo.com
    crs@ntuaft.com
    fharris@unm.edu
    teresa_benitez@hotmail.com
    steven@stevenhorsford.com
    kittyspraggins@aol.com
    egoubeaux@woh.rr.com
    m.mallory@att.net
    lanamclin@aol.com
    nsonnyn@aol.com
    tekicatt@aol.com
    rwhitten@whittenburragelaw.com
    mzlivability@yahoo.com
    jen@defazioforcongress.org
    info@jasonaltmire.com
    ccampbell215@msn.com
    james_brown@casey.senate.gov sara_mabry@casey.senate.gov
    chafinlawfirm@charter.net
    pmurphy@murphy06.com
    celita_a_de_r@hotmail.com
    gcobbhun@BellSouth.net
    waringsh@bellsouth.net
    carol@fowlercommunications.com
    jackbillion@sio.midco.net
    drey_samuelson@johnson.senate.gov sonja_dean@johnson.senate.gov
    mnemec@sullybuttes.net
    stroschein@nrctv.com
    rep.loisdeberry@legislature.state.tn.us
    BrooksViceChair@aol.com
    ydavis2455@aol.com
    olga@pgog.net
    al@aledwards.com
    chris@chetedwards.com
    denise_johnson@ibew.org
    bjenellhamlett@mail.house.gov
    moses.mercado@ogilvygr.com
    senfronia.thompson@publicans.com
    wholland@utdemocrats.org
    crbenjamin1019@yahoo.com
    jbevans@coatchworksfarm.com
    icarleton@vtdemocrats.org
    kevin_mcdonald@leahy.senate.gov
    chuckr@gmavt.net
    patnotter@gmail.com
    cewaliser@hotmail.com
    wisgov@gov.state.wi.us
    mary_irvine@feingold.senate.gov will_sebern@feingold.senate.gov
    steve@kagen4congress.com
    ellisshir@sbcglobal.net
    raejason@yahoo.com
    lissa7453@yahoo.com
    wineke10@charter.net
    beth_provenzano@rockefeller.senate.gov kerry_ates@rockefeller.senate.gov
    pjorgensen@jorgensenassociates.com
    jmillin@cheyenneeyeclinic.com
    constance@cborde.com
    liv.gibbons@gmail.com
    boleary1@bloomberg.net

    now I’m going to do as I say and make calls.

    See you in a couple hours. I hope you all do the same. We can’t win if you don’t call!!!!
    Shtuey | 05.08.2008 – 8:20

  95. please send letter to this guy too

    Congressman says race will be over by May 20thRAW STORY
    Published: Thursday May 8, 2008

    Oregon Congressman Earl Blumenauer (D-MO) told the Ed Schultz show live on air today that the presidential race will be over by May 20th.

    Blumenauer, an Obama supporter, cited Obama’s meeting on Capitol Hill with members of the House today.

    Audio of the claim is available here.

    He bet the liberal radio host dinner that the race would be over by the 20th, which is 12 days away.

    On his website, Blumenauer has bemoaned Sen. Hillary Clinton’s (D-NY) gas tax holiday plan, which he says would benefit oil companies more than consumers.

    “There has been a lot of talk about a “Gas Tax Holiday,” but this three-month hiatus would only save the average Oregon driver $28 – while costing Oregon up to 2,881 family wage jobs and $83 million in federal gas tax revenues,” Blumenauer said. “Telling Americans that this trade-off is a ‘holiday’ is pandering at its worst and obscures the fact that the real beneficiaries of this proposal would be the oil companies. We don’t need another political gimmick, we need a comprehensive policy to deal with rising energy costs. We need to address the high price of oil not with a quick fix, but with a long term strategy for investing in America, addressing rising oil prices and boosting our sagging economy.”

  96. TECh SAVVIES!

    Who can explain HOW to write one letter and send it to the entire list but only show 1 SD at a time????????

  97. They are bullying the public to accepting BO WITHOUT everyone being able to vote…or not counting all the votes in FL & MI.

  98. Well, that woman is full of it. waffles panders more than any other politician out there. He is about as authentic, as a flim-flam man. What I don’t understand, is how anyone thinks he can unite the country, when he is contributing to so much divisiveness during this campaign. Hillary is getting blamed for it, but I truly believe, most of it, is coming from him. Just look at that letter from the McCain campaign. They can see through it. There is NOTHING in his history, to suggest that he has the capacity for uniting the country, much less the world.

    She talks about enthusiasm for the Montana primary, but suggests that Clinton will have the same results as Custer, if she is still in the race at that time. That statement does not make sense. And Waffles is the biggest liar out there. He has been lying about Hillary this entire campaign.

  99. They are trying to shut the race down, before a decision is made about MI and FL. If this works, I hope it comes back to bite the dems in the butt, during the GE. They are disenfranchising 2.3 million voters.

  100. Now we know why MSNBC and NBC is against Hillary. GE the parent company of the network has been doing business with Iran and invested heavily there. That is why we see Tweety and blobberman towing Obambi because Hillary is quite hawkish to Iran. I have never seen Ogerman or tweety critical of Iran. If any thing they have attacked our girl for her vote on Iran. They are traitotrs that love Iran more than this country.

  101. Clinton’s Jews say keep fighting
    http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/108468.html

    Published: 05/08/2008

    Several key Jewish backers of Hillary Clinton say she should fight on, despite mounting pressure to quit her presidential bid.

    “It’s plain that she’s been an incredible candidate with a lot of momentum,” Philadelphia attorney Mark Aronchick said, adding that “she’d be the one to win” in the electoral college.

    Party opinion seemed to be shifting against Clinton following Tuesday’s primaries in Indiana and North Carolina, in which the New York senator and U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) split the victories. The results seemed to make it virually impossible for Clinton to earn enough delegates to secure the nomination.

    Steve Grossman, a former Democratic National Committee chairman and one of Clinton’s top fund-raisers, acknowledged the electoral math is “difficult.” But he said the party should be focused on who has the best chance in November.

    “What I think is most important to superdelegates and voters is who can beat John McCain,” Grossman said. “That’s the ultimate goal, to change the occupant of the White House and not elect a successor to George Bush and continue many of those policies.”

    Like many Clinton supporters, Grossman insisted that some way had to be found to count the votes of Florida and Michigan, two states stripped of their delegates for violating party rules by scheduling primaries too early. Clinton won both states, though neither candidate campaigned there and Obama’s name was not even on the ballot in Michigan.

    Matthew Hilzik, a former party press secretary, challenged the view that the seemingly endless primary battle is harming the Democrats’ chances against McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

    “This has offered great benefit to the party,” Hilzik said. “You have incredible turnout, and a very significant increase in Democratic voter registration and participation in primaries and caucuses around the country. There has been real enthusiasm and excitement that has also translated into dollars for state parties.”

  102. Yes the 5/20 day is to shut off the Florida and Michigan, that is why Hillary sent the letter today.

    They can float that day all they want .. there is no nominee until someone reaches the 2209 number .. and with the 5/31 date for the meeting he will look even sillier. Florida and Michigan must be counted and the overal delegate will be at least 2209.

  103. birdgal, I agree with you. He can’t even unit his own party. how can he unite the county. as SD, she should consider electable first.

  104. There has been a lot of talk about a ‘Gas Tax Holiday’, but this three-month hiatus would only save the average Oregon driver $28

    Another Bambi LIE. Who uses less than 2 gallons of gas a day ??? Not to mention the suspension of the diesel tax would save American truckers $2 BILLION.

    while costing Oregon up to 2,881 family wage jobs and $83 million in federal gas tax revenues, Blumenauer said.

    Nope. That’s McCain’s plan.

    Telling Americans that this trade-off is a ‘holiday’ is pandering at its worst

    Bambi only says this because he has NO PLAN to reduce gas prices.

  105. linfar:

    GREAT comment on MyDD – recommended absolutely. AND so true….so we typical white working-class women don’t matter as much as being blackmailed my the African Americans in this country. Thin of it is…they will vote for Hillary, while we will NEVER vote for Obama. Like I heard one AA caller say on talk radio, “It’s a win-win for us.”

    So, as you said….since they don’t need me or care about our plights – screw ’em.

    basil9:

    GREAT list! Will fire off e-mails to them about our non-support. EVER.

    ONE FINAL POINT:

    I HAVEN’T SEEN THIS IN PRINT ANYWHERE:
    Although I realize the Big Media implications about BHO’s NC win, and HRC narrow IN win – I mean, am I missing something here, or is it just more of the same? That being the fact that the difference was the 90% AA VOTE?!? Like this is NEWS?!? Like Bill Cosby says “C’MON PEOPLE!”

  106. birdgal, I agree with you on that woman’s comments. Talk about deluded!

    Lots of discussion at TM about the McCain memo. The more I think about it, the more I realize it’s effing brilliant.

    The grafs about Waffles’ hypocrisy and the one-sided media coverage are undoubtedly directed at disaffected HRC supporters like us, who are furious at the ridiculous double standard Hillary’s had to put up with.

  107. Ok, think I got it…

    “Despite the public bluster in a conference call with reporters Wednesday, some Clinton advisers were resigned to their candidate’s likely loss. They have turned in favor of her bowing out for party unity, according to several who asked not to be named.

    Only a few are said to be urging her to fight on, even to the Aug. 25-28 convention in Denver. Among these voices, the loudest belongs to her husband, former President Clinton, according to one longtime Democratic Party insider and Clinton supporter.

    This Democrat speculated that Sen. Clinton will stay in the race through Tuesday’s primary in West Virginia, a mostly white and working-class state which she is favored to win, but may well suspend her campaign after May 20, if she doesn’t do well in that day’s primaries in Oregon and Kentucky.”

  108. Blue Dem,
    i saw that about BC saying take it to the convention but can’t remember where – it was in an article talking about Terry Mc saying the nominee would be decided by June 15 and the reporter said evidently BC hadn’t heard that because he was still talking Denver.
    I AGREE with everyone who says the May 20th coronation is an attempt to derail the May 31 RBC meeting on Fl and Mi.
    IT WON’T WORK!!!!!!
    ANYONE – HOW can i send an email to ALL the Waffles SD’s listed above without doing it individually and having only 1 name appear in the TO: box???????????????
    r

  109. linfar,

    😳

    I’m technologically challenged. Now, can you tell me how to email ALL Waffles SD in the list above without sending each individually???????

    And what were the names of your 2 or 3 previous articles?

  110. all this talk about Obama declaring the race is over is to depress the ramining vote. she will take the popular vote count if turnout is high. this is a huge trick onj par tof Obvama campaign to get voters to think they no longer matter.

  111. I don’t know how to do it. but it is quite ez if you make a list and then set it up the right way, Basil

  112. WOW. this is Big. Ijust figured it out. Obama has to suppress the votes in theupcoming primaries. He could lose the popular vote. that is why he is saying he willdeclare it is over. he is tryhing to take the wind out of the sails of her voters./

  113. Found it, & it’s right over your head Basil!

    Yeah, I’d bet anything they’re holding back their SD’s till the 20th too.

    All u have to do is look at Matthews attack on PR tonight to see how afraid they are of the popular vote argument.

  114. Need FULL PAGE ADS in WV and KY about BHO’s tactics to supress votes. But they are threatening Hillary by saying the “tone” of her campaign from now on can’t be negative about Obama. Something about the way “they” decide what she can and can’t do. Amazing.

  115. curiosity,
    They’ve tried to box her in every which way, and they – with the help of BM – have succeeded quite a bit.

    All the more reason to let’er rip!

  116. Hi guys,

    A very strange thing happened yesterday, Wednesday. I wanted to donate to Hillary’s campaign, something I’ve been doing weekly, this time a larger sum than usual. The donation would not go through. Same card, everything exactly the same, I tried over and over, and it simply would not go through. i would get the message to examine accuracy of card number or security number. I swear, i felt like the donations page had been hacked!

    Has anyone else had this experience?

  117. Look at this ubelievably snobby post from Chris Bowers at OpenLeft:

    So, unless Obama somewhat surprisingly does not become the next President of the United States, the Democratic Party will experience its first changing of the guard since the late 1980’s. What differences will be in store? Here are the three major changes I expect:

    Cultural Shift: Out with Bubbas, up with Creatives: There should be a major cultural shift in the party, where the southern Dems and Liebercrat elite will be largely replaced by rising creative class types. Obama has all the markers of a creative class background, from his community organizing, to his Unitarianism, to being an academic, to living in Hyde Park to shopping at Whole Foods and drinking PBR. These will be the type of people running the Democratic Party now, and it will be a big cultural shift from the white working class focus of earlier decades. Given the demographics of the blogosphere, in all likelihood, this is a socioeconomic and cultural demographic into which you fit. Culturally, the Democratic Party will feel pretty normal to netroots types. It will consistently send out cultural signals designed to appeal primarily to the creative class instead of rich donors and the white working class.

  118. Ronald

    I beg you…do NOT give out info abt your profession or location or anything else.

    Several (many) of us have been tracked down and then hounded, even if just by Obamabot lurkers, never mind the odd purpose-driven troll.

    On these pages, we don’t care if you are a student, prof, intern, or head of Mt Sinai Hosp.

    Beware anyone trying for that kind of specific info, either for themselves or because anyone who can type “HillaryIs44” can read it. That is one reason we have lost some contributors…several of whom lurk, but some are gone forever.

  119. what is Ferraro saying on Fox? Can someone please give updates? I don’t have cable. thanks!

  120. It’s all the way to the convention floor, Sen. Obama

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/rezkowatch-factchecker-its-all-way-to.html

  121. Nobody is saying anything so far.

    Ah, Colmes says there’s a different standard for Hillary than for any other candidate.

    Bay changes the subject.

  122. B Merryfield!
    Another Brilliant article.
    I’m gonna post the whole thing here. everyone should read it.
    RezkoWatch FactChecker: It’s all the way to the convention floor, Sen. Obama

    Earlier today, RezkoWatch posted the developing news story that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) announced that, following the West Virginia, Oregon and Kentucky primaries, on May 20th, he is going to declare himself the victor and presumptive Democratic nominee.

    Not so fast, Sen. Obama. Let’s talk. To be perfectly clear, the word “presumptive” means that something is presumed to be true, not that it IS true. You seem to be getting a bit ahead of things here. Additionally, this begs the question presumed by whom? Your campaign? Your supporters? Your adoring media?

    Certainly not by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) or her campaign staff or supporters, who are ready to take the nomination all the way to the convention floor in Denver if need be.

    And, by the way, aren’t there some issues that you and Sen. Clinton have to resolve before the Democratic Party rolls out the red carpet and coronates you, Sen. Obama? Some minor issues, perhaps, like not disenfranchising more than 1.75 million Florida voters and more than 590,000 Michigan voters who cast their ballots for a Democratic candidate?

    Let’s deal in facts, Sen. Obama. On September 1, 2007, you and Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) signed a pledge to not campaign in Florida, Michigan or other states “trying to leapfrog” the official 2008 primary calendar set by the Democratic National Committee for Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.

    In particular, the pledge “was devised” to prevent candidates like you from campaigning in Florida, where the primary was set for January 29, 2008, and Michigan, which was trying to move its primary to January 15, 2008. Unfairly or not, the DNC threatened to take away all of Florida’s 210 delegates if it did not obey.

    Even though you and the other Democratic candidates signed the pledge agreeing not to campaign in Michigan, on October 9, 2007, a spokesperson for the Michigan Secretary of State Office said that you and Sen. Edwards and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson had taken things to the extreme and “filed paperwork to boycott” the Michigan ballot. Lynda Waddington of the Iowa Independent discovered that the move had been a politically strategic one to hinder Sen. Clinton’s campaign and wrote October 11, 2007:

    Five individuals connected to five different campaigns have confirmed — but only under condition of anonymity — that the situation that developed in connection with the Michigan ballot is not at all as it appears on the surface. The campaign for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, arguably fearing a poor showing in Michigan, reached out to the others with a desire of leaving New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as the only candidate on the ballot. The hope was that such a move would provide one more political obstacle for the Clinton campaign to overcome in Iowa.

    As blogger Taylor Marsh commented October 9, 2007, “This is horrific politics, especially if you’re looking long-term and towards the general election. You know, thinking about something beyond your own presidential possibilities. [Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.)] and Clinton are in,” adding

    As for Clinton, she’s thinking long-term and looking towards the general election and what could happen to Democrats if we stiff arm Michigan. If we’re facing Romney, that’s a real issue, because Michigan is home turf for Slick Mitt. Edwards and Obama should be thinking the same way. However, because they’re tied to the outcome in Iowa they’re obviously scared to leave; that applies doubly to Edwards. But it’s pathetic.

    George Weeks warned you and your companions in the October 14, 2007, issue of the Record-Eagle, “Woe be to those 2008 Democratic contenders who boycott Michigan’s Jan. 15 presidential primary. Those who don’t contend in January should suffer in November.”

    On December 1, 2007, the DNC stripped Michigan, the eighth largest state, of its 156 delegates for moving its primary date to January 15, 2008. Florida, the fourth largest state, had been hit “with a similar penalty”, stripped of its 210 delegates in August 2007 for scheduling a January 29, 2008 primary.

    Then we have the little matter of that campaign to lose the Michigan primary, Sen. Obama. You remember that one don’t you, when your supporters Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers produced and aired campaign ads urging voters to cast “uncommitted” ballots in Michigan’s Democratic presidential primary?

    You remember, don’t you, that on January 10, 2008, Nick Bunkley reported in the New York Times’ “The Caucus blog” that the Conyers were urging voters “to vote ‘uncommitted’ to help [you and Sen. Edwards] gain momentum and to deal a setback” to Sen. Clinton? New groups, including Michiganders for Obama, Michigan for Edwards and the newly formed Detroiters for Uncommitted Voters, “campaign[ed] door-to-door, on the phone and at rallies, spreading the uncommitted message.”

    The day before the Michigan primary, on Janurary 14, 2008, the Detroit News reported that surrogates representing you and Sen. Edwards were spreading the word by mouth and letters to the editor urging voters to opt for “uncommitted.” FYI, that’s called campaigning, Sen. Obama.

    It also raises the question as to whether those who were voting “uncommitted” understood that they were being used as pawns in a political game that skirted on the edge of FEC rules on what constitutes electioneering.

    And then we come to those January 2008 cable ads shown on CNN and MSNBC that just happened to overflow into the Florida demographic. You and your campaign knew that this would happen. Instead of standing by your pledge to not campaign in Florida, you chose to break it when you could have avoided doing so by making your ad buys state by state or market by market. Would it have cost more? Certainly. But was saving money more important than standing behind your word? It would seem so.

    But then, primaries in states like Florida and Michigan “have no bearing on the Democratic nomination contest” your campaign said on January 15, 2008. States like Florida and Ohio don’t matter, or at least that’s what one of your campaign memos said a couple weeks ago.

    Somehow it doesn’t seem likely that states like Florida and Michigan share your view of their place in the election process, Sen. Obama. Sound money says that every state considers itself equally important whether you think so or not.

    No deals, either, Sen. Obama. EVERY vote counts, you can’t pick and chose; EVERY voter deserves to have his or her vote counted and voice heard, not discounted. Remember the Declaration of Independence? The Founding Fathers were either all in or all out to ratify it, nothing in between. Voters deserve nothing less from those who want to represent them.

    So here’s the bottom line. You took your name off the Michigan ballot. No delegates. You chose to skirt the rules about campaigning in Florida. No delegates. You agreed to be all in. You cheated. You lose. Voters deserve bette

  123. B Merryfield,

    That’s the case, right there. Been begging to hear it for months.

    Question is when will the campaign start screaming about it?

    Ferraro on FOX just said as a lawyer she’d fight all the way on those votes. She said she’s no longer in the campaign and can’t speak to what they’re thinking, but those primary votes counted in other races.

  124. They yanked the diary at mydd. Can you believe it? Censorship is an amazing thing. thanks to all who came by.

  125. Beware of Obamabots sent out to make amends

    don’t know what this talk about is of “Obama Will Declare Victory on May 20”.

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/ChicagolandforObama08

    It’s kind of fun poking around in the Community blogs over at his website…

    Classic pandering being encouraged:

    Barack has taken the high road, and I encourage you to do the same. We, even though we may have some bruised feelings, are still brothers and sisters within the Democratic Party. The way to make the Clinton camp come around, even those who say to the pollsters they will not vote for Obama in the general election, is to be nice to them. To some it will sound crazy, but it is the way. Be nice, and be nice, and be even more nice. That is the high road, and it is the road Barack wants us to take.

    What A Joke He Will Never Get My Vote

    Please sign
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election

  126. Fuckin’ Motherfucker.

    BO in his CNN INT today called IND a “virtual tie”.

    Blitzer just sits there like useless (freakish) scumbag that he is.

  127. OK. We have had some sleep, and are ready to do again, what we can.

    This is from a person who knows what is going on and has a way we can do something about what is going on.

    I am going to repost his/her thoughts and specific moves- please read thru them…s/he thought we’d all be awake at 7:30 am after the IN/NC primaries yesterday morning. What a dreamer s/he is!

    Will post the supporting statements after this.
    …………………………………………..

    invisigoth Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 7:34 am

    It all comes down to the automatic delegates, or “super” delegates as the press likes to say.

    What Ed Koch said yesterday is key.

    ” I believe that, if he is the Democratic candidate for president, Senator Obama will lose in November. There are many people in the Democratic Party and its leadership who feel that way. They are told that, nevertheless, the party must accept Obama even if he arrives at the convention with fewer committed delegates than needed to win the nomination. They say that to deprive him of victory under all of these circumstances would so enrage his supporters that they would either stay home in November or cross party lines and vote for Senator John McCain.

    Many superdelegates who will be making the decision to nominate the Democratic candidate will be told that they will permanently damage the party by causing a defection of the black vote if they deprive Obama of victory. There is no doubt that were the superdelegates to do what they were appointed to do – provide to the best of their ability a candidate who is perceived to be best able to win in November against the Republican candidate – they will be vilified by many Democrats if they do not select Obama.”
    ……………………………………………….

    I have been hearing this time and time again with people who work closely with automatic delegates.

    There is a perception by some in superdelegate land, that it doesn’t matter if we win in November or not. That we will be able to “expand” the democratic party with all of the Obama supporters that we won’t with Clinton.

    Of course, this is bs. It does, in fact matter, if we win the presidency. It matters in getting out of Iraq. It matters to our fragile environment. It matters if we have a supreme court that wipes out 50 years of civil rights progress.

    They want to kick out the people who have made this party strong – blue-class workers. Workers that have stood by this party and helped create the strongest economic power in the world. Workers that stood up to their bosses and joined unions which created the best working conditions in this world, and which are trying to be undermined now.

    The elites of the party are dismissive to the people we are going to need in November – and it sickens me, for my party and for my country.

    It also is coming down to the money for the super delegates. A lot of the undecided Congress people see a lot more opportunity for cash for their campaigns through Obama. Even in areas which have gone overwhelmingly for Clinton. New politics my ass. It’s the same stuff, over and over again, and it’s a story as old as dirt. It’s about money.

    If we are going to win this thing people, we absolutely need to get to the phones today and call those unpledged automatic delegates and ask them for their support.

    Please be polite and enthusiastic, but firm in telling them that Hillary is the right choice for November.

    You can find the unpledged automatic delegates on this page:

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Superdelegate_Transparency_Project.

    Just click on the state you are in and find out who your representative or DNC member is. Contact their district or campaign offices.

    Do not contact their DC offices.
    They are NOT permitted campaign calls at those numbers.

  128. linfar-

    What? The diary is still showing up for me just fine. Are you sure they yanked it?

    Hey, what do you think of the MSM making a huge deal (maybe not all the MSM, but definitely MSNBC) out of Hillary saying something like (let me look up the quote…I want to get it right):
    “Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on.”

    Hey, who can honestly, truly debate that?

    Are we punishing Hillary Clinton now for being RIGHT, even if it isn’t what some people want to hear?

    They’ll jump on Hillary for anything. They were against her from the start. 🙁

  129. Can anyone tell me how we beat what many including Rove continue to describe as the endgame, namely the credentials committee at the convention where Dean has stacked around 25 loyalists in between basically even supporters for Bo & HRC.

    Doesn’t that mean we won’t get the nod on key decisions on MI & FLA, and doesn’t that mean Dean has to be taken down too?

  130. And this from Admin:

    admin Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    “This message from Hillary bears repeating:

    Tonight’s victory in Indiana was close, and a margin that narrow means just one thing:

    every single thing you did to help us win in Indiana helped make the difference.

    Every call you made, every friend you spoke to about our campaign, every dollar you contributed made tonight’s victory possible. And I couldn’t be more thankful for your hard work.

    Every time we’ve celebrated a victory, we’ve celebrated it together. And tonight is no exception.

    This victory is your victory, this campaign is your campaign, and your support has been the difference between winning and losing.

    Thank you so much for making this campaign possible. Let’s keep making history together.

    Sincerely,
    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  131. Emmy, I donated this afternoon, no problems. You can phone it in, also.

    How to BCC an email with all those supers? Copy and paste it into your bcc box on your email. It will only show one. Then, make another email name and send again and again! 🙂

  132. Luv the response of Rep. Israel in this Politico piece;

    Clinton asks supers to commit in private
    By: Ben Smith and Amie Parnes
    May 8, 2008 07:39 PM EST

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s visit to Capitol Hill this week may have been more about weighing her support than it was about wooing superdelegates.

    According to a senior Democratic aide, Clinton asked some uncommitted superdelegates if they could commit to her privately — without the political risks of a public endorsement — so that she could gauge whether she has the support she feels she needs to remain a viable candidate.

    A Clinton staffer acknowledged Thursday that the campaign was in the process of “counting up” superdelegates because, “at the end of the day, we have to know where our numbers are.”

    “We do have some private supporters,” the staffer said. “[But] for their own political purposes, they can’t be on record.”

    The staffer conceded that lawmakers could, in theory, “privately back” Clinton then ultimately support Obama but said: “We need to track where we are, and there’s no other way.”

    Clinton met with a smattering of superdelegates Wednesday; aides and lawmakers said she appeared at the offices of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and simply asked to meet with any uncommitted superdelegates who happened to be around.

    One Clinton supporter familiar with the meetings described the senator’s “ask” as “vague.”

    Obama, by contrast, took the Hill by storm Thursday. In the morning, he met with a large group of uncommitted Blue Dog Democrats at a townhouse owned by UPS. Then he walked over to the House and spent half an hour working the left side of the chamber, shaking hands, signing autographs and posing for pictures. In the afternoon, he spent nearly three hours at the Democratic National Committee, where he met with a number of superdelegates, including four North Carolina congressmen.

    “We seem to be making progress,” Obama told reporters after his meetings ended on Thursday.

    The Democratic front-runner said he wouldn’t “count any chickens before they’re hatched,” but he managed to pluck at least one from the nest: On Thursday afternoon, Obama picked up the endorsement of Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.).

    The Clinton campaign had a harder time gaining traction. After a number of media outlets — including Politico — reported that Indiana Rep. Brad Ellsworth was backing Clinton, his spokeswoman put out the word that there was some “nuance” to the congressman’s position: Ellsworth is actually remaining neutral in the race but will cast his superdelegate vote for the candidate who carried his district (Clinton) if the nomination process goes all the way to convention, “unless,” of course, “there is a compelling reason to do otherwise.”

    And adding insult to injury, Clinton backer Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.) eagerly approached Obama during his visit to the House on Thursday and asked him to autograph the cover of the day’s New York Daily News. The headline: “It’s His Party.”

    Another Clinton supporter, Rep. Alcee Hastings of Florida, gave Obama a bear hug.

    But for the most part, Clinton supporters appeared to be sticking with the New York senator, even as countless newspapers and television news pundits were writing her off.

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that the prolonged Democratic presidential campaign was beginning to hurt the party. But after talking with Clinton on Thursday morning, Feinstein said her candidate is “persevering, very collected, very determined.”

    “She’s going to make the decision if the time comes,” Feinstein said. “Her strategy is to win this, and she’s entitled to her opportunity to try. I’m sticking with her.”

    Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), a Clinton supporter, crossed paths with Obama on Thursday during meetings at the DNC but told reporters he merely said hello. “I’m committed to Sen. Clinton until she becomes president,” Israel said.

    Other superdelegates insisted that they were still undecided even after meeting with both candidates this week. Florida Rep. Tim Mahoney was courted by Clinton on Wednesday and Obama on Thursday, and said he was equally impressed by both.

    “It’s a difficult decision,” he said. “They’re two great candidates.”

  133. How are the WV calls going? Are they sympathetic?

    Reason I ask is my Mom wants to make some calls but isn’t cut out for the rough and tumble (unlike me).

  134. To the person who posted this:

    LadyJane Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    “Hey people, the best thing you can do today is please, please, please contact the unpledged super delegates in your state and ask them to cast their ballot for Hillary. You have the power in your own state to do this.

    Be calm and positive, but make those phone calls! Please. Can I get a commitment from everyone? I know I’m new around here, but I’ve been helping out the campaign for quite some time.”

    How would we go about doing that??

    ……………………………………………..

    Lady Jane and others:

    Just follow the directions.

    See May 7th, 2008 at 7:34 am

  135. Karl Rove said it is a big mistake that BHO camp went on TV and claimed nominee on Mat 20th.

  136. Linfar…great diary…i emailed it to some friends…and the link comes up fine…

    MJ…that Bowers thing is unbelievable…right now we are in the fight for the soul of the Democratic Party…
    I sent that to my buddies also…

    these condescending aloof twirps are really getting on my nerves..kids that never had to get out there
    in the world and have to sink or swim…and live and work hard and survive in the real world…they
    sound like a bunch of trust fund kids who think life is all fun and games…

    Does anyone know just who this Chris Bowers is? what is his background? how old is he?

    these people know nothing about life’s experiences and they are going to send out ‘creative’ alerts

    Today I was reading some of the comments over at TM, particularly re: the emails from Donna Brazile…I think we need to keep track of all those emails and elitist comments like Bowers and start sending a compilation of these comments to the media – Lou Dobbs, Greta, O’Reilly, No Quarter, anyone else you can think of that could help us expose where Obama is taking the Democratic Party…

    We have got to expose this far and wide…if we could get Lou or Greta…someone on TV to start highlighting this it would be helpful….

    tomorrow I am going to start with Lou and Greta…the Obama camp is holding the Democratic Party hostage to a coup…a takeover by the AA and the creative elites…

    Basil9 reported this info which I think bares repeating…very worrisome:

    basil9 Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
    One more about Bradzilla’s horrible impact on the nominating process.

    “This entire system was set up by Brazile to benefit Black voters at the expense of voters of other ethnicities. That sounds harsh, but it is utterly true. In every state, a Black vote counts more than a White vote, because more delegates are allocated to AA-heavy districts. The Black vote in the South becomes overwhelming. The White vote in the industrial states is minimized. What you have seen is an absolute mathematical playing out of a system which was confusing enough that no one really saw its import. That is why Hillary can win OH and PA by 10 points, and get very few more delegates. That’s why CA didn’t matter much more than Virginia. Donna Brazile has turned the Democratic nominating race into ethnic politics central; where if her AA constituency simply votes en masse, they can’t lose. I’ll repeat: if AA’s vote as a bloc, they choose the nominee every time. Nothing that the remaining 80% of the Democratic constituency does will offset that-unless they all vote by ethnicity, too. That’s what Donna Brazile has wrought. Blacks will vote their color; Whites won’t (and will be excoriated for being racists to any extent they do). It’s truly horrifying.

  137. meiyingsu Says:

    May 8th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
    Karl Rove said it is a big mistake that BHO camp went on TV and claimed nominee on Mat 20th.

    I’m glad he said that. He is usually right, and he hates waffles. MI and FL have to be considered and considered, before he can do that. He is trying to shut it down.

  138. Rove also said it was a big mistake for Obama not to mention Bill Clinton when he listed great Democratic presidents.

  139. Plural: waffles has been marginalizing Bill Clinton the entire time.

    Hallow: I hope, you don’t either.

  140. I think it is so disgust that some sds rushed to hug BHO as though he is already president.

  141. “It would have seemed magnanimous,” I think is how Rove put it.

    It would also have seemed inclusive and unifying.

    As usual, BO says one thing and does another.

  142. Ok I have a question lets say that we count michigan and Florida and Obama has close to what he needs to get the nomination will the delegates from those two states give him enough to go over or what he needs? I know this is negative I just want to make sure that does not happen.

  143. plural Says:

    May 8th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
    Rove also said it was a big mistake for Obama not to mention Bill Clinton when he listed great Democratic presidents.

    Well duh. He is the only twice elected Democratic president since FDR. I need to find a new Party.

  144. birdgal – It makes me so angry that all these people of true privilege are so quick to be hired goons for such a backwards, unelectable candidate in BHO. The blood will be on their own hands.

  145. The Michigan Proposal is Unfair to Hilllary
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:55:56 PM EST
    Tags: Michigan ’08 (all tags) Share This:
    This is the supposed Michigan compromise.

    The state party’s executive committee voted today to ask the national party’s Rules and Bylaws Committee to approve the 69-59 delegate split when it meets May 31. The plan would shrink Clinton’s delegate edge in Michigan from 18 to 10 and allow the state’s 157 delegates and superdelegates to be seated at the convention.

    Clinton won the Jan. 15 Michigan primary and was to get 73 pledged delegates under state party rules, while Obama was to get 55. The state also has 29 superdelegates.

    The 69-59 split was proposed last week by four prominent Michigan Democrats who have been working for months to find a way to get Michigan’s delegates seated at the Aug. 25-28 convention in Denver: U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger, U.S. Sen. Carl Levin and DNC member Debbie Dingell.

    Shorter version: It not only gives Obama all of the uncommitted delegates, a number that includes those who voted for Edwards, Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel, it gives him some that voted for Hillary. [More…]

  146. Admin, in the source code on the main site there are a bunch of hidden, jibberish links for like accuatane, acomplia, cialis, cipro, levitra, propecia, viagra, wellbutrin and some other drug stuff? The links don’t even go anywhere.

    Did someone hack your site?

  147. Obama Camp: We’ll Win The Nomination On May 20

    Mike Flannery
    CHICAGO (CBS) ― It looks like the end is near for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. CBS 2 has learned that Barack Obama is ready to celebrate winning the Democratic nomination for president on May 20, the day two more states hold their primaries.

    CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery reports on that day, Obama expects to cross a threshold that, his aides say in the past, has always guaranteed the Democratic nomination. He expects to have collected a majority of the pledged convention delegates.

    On Capitol Hill Thursday, his colleagues gave him the star treatment. Reporters often follow Obama through the U.S. Capitol, but when the Illinois senator stepped onto the floor of the House of Representatives during a vote Congressional colleagues surrounded him.

    Among those offering congratulations on Obama’s strong showing Tuesday were several so-far uncommitted superdelegates, people who will ultimately decide the winner of the close contest between Obama and Clinton.

    “I think my main message is whichever way you want to go, the sooner that the superdelegates make their decision, the sooner we’ll have a sense of who the nominee will be and the sooner we can focus on John McCain,” Obama said.

    As Obama shifts his focus to the likely Republican nominee, at his campaign headquarters on Michigan Avenue campaign workers are planning a big celebration for the evening of May 20, when votes will be counted in Kentucky and Oregon and they expect Obama will have clinched a majority of the elected, pledged delegates.

    “We are building toward that day when we can claim a majority of the pledged delegates, and we believe that’s going to be on May 20 and I believe that’s gonna be a big night for those of us in this camapaign,” said Obama political strategist, David Axelrod.

    But Rep. Jack Franks, a Clinton supporter, countered, “Declaring mission accomplished doesn’t make it so – all you have to do is ask George Bush about that. And that’s why we have to take this to the convention and let the delegates decide.”

    Illinois co-chair of the Clinton campaign, Franks said the goal of superdelegates and all Democrats should be to nominate the strongest candidate. He predicted Clinton would eventually win.

    Axelrod said that, while Clinton has the right to keep campaigning, Democrats have always given their nomination to the candidate who won the most elected delegates.

  148. Democrats have always given their nomination to the candidate who won the most elected delegates.

    we havent even been in the white house that much to even say that who won the most elected delegates what a big stooge axelrod is a BIG AS+ fake!!along with his wimpy barry!!

  149. Why can’t you bloggers understand that all this Hannity hype about exposing Obama and his followers is just a measure to buy time and create a more clear path for McCain.Just the fact that they allow the pervert Morris to be their spokesman and always call him BC’s adviser back14 yrs ago is areal stretch.BC fired him and based on Dickies admission that his fettish is sucking female toes of Hookers is a good example of the real FOX cesspool of strategists and advisers.Morris probably made a pass at women in the Whitehouse.I hope Hill slugged him good and hard.It is disgusting to hear him slander and demean this great Woman.For me there is no network worthy of watching for any kind of fair treatment for her. Best way to fight this gang is to supportHill and keep blogging every day to Denver.

    What a shameful nation we have become.It is no wonder that our so called Allies no longer trust us and have to be afraid of what may take place in this troubled world if BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA steals this Presidential Nomination.You are asking for it America and you must accept the dire results.

    By a tired and angry citizen who has lived in this great country for all my 90 yrs.and dread the thought of what I will leave behind.PLEASE fight for HIllary.there ino other rational choice.

  150. Blue, mj, others….

    According to a piece at riverdaughter.confluence (disinfected from Edsalls’ at HuffPo), Hillary probably has the votes in the Rules Committee meeting May 31 to SEAT THE FL/MI delegations favorably to her. Then it would be in Obama’s court to try to get a later committee meeting (Credentials) to unseat them again. So this is a good move for Hillary.

    There is (reasonable imo) pressure to get something settled by mid-June. I dont’ think McAulife would be talking like this unless he means that WITH the FL/MI delegates HIll needs, SHE can be agreed the candidate by mid-June. Or at least sort of presumptively, so that it would be Obama who was delaying things, and maybe enough SDs and others would start pressuring HIM to go along with a Clinton/Obama ticket.

    Anyway lets not spread any discouranging memes about this. Let’s assume McAujilfe means this as encouragement, strength. Didn’t he SAY that it would be settled WITH HER AS NOMINEE?

  151. Just the fact that they allow the pervert Morris to be their spokesman and always call him BC’s adviser back14 yrs ago is areal stretch

    i agree isnt it ironic that they use that every night
    and he spews hatred for Hillary that morris shit is getting old and i wrote them and told them so….
    if i was bill and hill id sue his ass for releasing false statements..to a national audience,its like the national enquier..

  152. 1950,
    Thanks. No, McAullife on with Obamabot Ed Schultz today repeatedly said it’d be settled mid-June, without saying Hill would be the nominee.
    I was greatly upset by the tone of that interview.

    As for the Rules Committee meeting May 31, I know Hill has an edge there and is expected to get some/all of what she wants, but as I said ultimately that issue has to be addressed at the convention, assuming it gets that far, and there we basically have a split of committe members – but with a block of Dean appointed loyalists as tie-breakers.

    In other words, that’s the endgame and they’ve prepared for it, so what is our recourse other than showing Dean has acting in bad faith and demanding his ouster?

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  155. I’m sorry. The way I see it, Obama will win the nomination and lose the General Elections. There’s no stopping the latte liberal faction of the Democratic Party. They wan’t him like Obama wanted crack when he was a teenager. Unless there’s a dramatic revelation about Obama, nothing can stop him now. He is the Democratic Establishment candidate – the Clintons were always the outsiders. That she lasted this long is a testament to her will, her tenacity, her spirit and her dedication.

    What we need to do now is turn the feelings of hurt to anger and then finally to action. I don’t care what Hillary will eventually say – she’s the consummate professional – she would want the good of the party – but we should now work AGAINST OBAMA. Let those who support him feel what we’re feeling.

    We should undermine their every effort. Identify yourself as a Democrat who is not voting for Barack Obama because he is (incompetent, hypocritical, inexperienced, egotistical, etc) at every turn. Come General Elections, write Hillary Clinton on the ballot. Make your anger become more tangible.

    The double-standard, the constant media barrage, the unfair media treatment, John McCain will face this now, but unlike Clinton, his hands are not tied. I really feel bad for Hillary and have tremendous respect for the way she carried on and still played by the rules. At every turn, the Obama camp, with the tacit approval of the DNC leadership, tried to game the system and has succeeded in many ways. And still, Hillary played fair. That’s just absolutely remarkable and speaks of her integrity.

  156. boy b merry your blog ..great job
    its busy there tonight people are a reading
    i like the truman paper hes holding..dewey defeats truman

  157. Blue Democrat Says:

    HOW DO YOU MAKE A ENEMY LIVING IN THE SHARKS ???/THATS WHAT WE SAY IN INDIA

    SO MY POINT IS

    HILLARY ,,BILL,,BIG PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BACKSTABBED ,DISGRACED ,TRASHED ,TORN APART BY ALL THEMEDIA

    SO RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO BE QUIET AND ACT SWEET AND ACT AS IF IT BE OVER ,,,SO PEOPLE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT IT

    while they are planning thier next move

    so don, t get mad

    try understand ,,,,all media,,kerry,,,obamabots,,

    stars are not in our favor right now

    so stay low and wait for our chance to attack

  158. AC 360 on CNN
    This is a blog that is very reasonable. It is a good place to share thoughts about the candidates. I just posted many comments defending Hillary’s comments about her support from white voters and cautioning that Obama’s views are still very unclear.

    You never know how you influence people with even one comment on a blog.

  159. Hi Hillfans, do you think Hillary have a chance to win the white house running as a independent? Joe Liberman lost in primary but won the senate. the same thing might happen to Hillary.

  160. Wow, has Obama got us wrong!! HERE’S HOW:
    In a story today on the dreaded msnbc, Obama talks about how he’d work to “win over” Hillary supporters. He uses the phrase, “Here’s how…” blah blah blah.

    Check it out, Sen. Obama: FOR OVER A YEAR already, Hillary has been telling America:
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll lead as your President;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll get things done;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll fix health care;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll get the economy going in the right direction again;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll restore integrity to the Justice Department;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll tackle climate change and create a green jobs economy;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll get us out of Iraq;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll mend relations around the world;”
    “HERE’S HOW I’ll bring this country together again.”

    Obama “talks about talking about” ‘here’s how’ and yet he STILL fails to be specific.

    As we say in our house, Hillary has been “Cookin’ With Gas, All 6 Burners On” since day one. Where have you been, Obama?

    So, HERE’S HOW I will vote on Nov. 4, 2008: HILLARY for President.

  161. meiyingsu – yeah, I mentioned that in the last thread. She could do it. Once people find out what crap they’ve gotten themselves into, it’s obvious that Hillary > McCain > Obama, and they will go to her third party. It may start a whole new political age.

  162. everyone says hillary would never go independant that they ARE the democrat party

    but i gotta say…….the dem party trashed them, turned they’re back on the clintons and have done a nuclear job of
    ruining them…..i could definitely see her run as a IND., if i were the clintons i would spin off and form a new party and run against BO and Mc Cain in the GE…..but that’s just me

    I believe she needs to do this for women, for all of her supporters and for our country as a whole.

    perhaps her and bill are who we should be writing with just that expression, let’s let them know we support her running as a INDy

  163. “Hi Hillfans, do you think Hillary have a chance to win the white house running as a independent?”

    hehe, I was just about to ask if anyone wanted to have this back -n-forth with me (again)!

    We got into it a bit here once about 6 weeks ago.
    I thought I saw a path perhaps equal to what she’d face in the nomination fight, perhaps better. The worse things look in the Dem race, the better the indy run looks.

    Bottom line, her support is damn near rock-solid @ 40% with some upside. Can McCain and Obama say that?

    Can they say that in Florida and Michigan and Ohio and California?

  164. hey-where is that article today on msm being wrong in telling hillary to leave the race. it was great. talked about how others have been treated right. never has such a cnadidate been treated like this so close to winning. please repost!

  165. Anduril919,

    I see your point BUT we still have more states and we know that no matter what he will not have enough delegates and to be honest, many delegates have no spoke out yet. So we need to understand that the base of strong voting democrats will vote will be the main concern. We need to understand that he is not getting the votes that he needs to be president. What disgust me is that the pundets dont care about democrats because if they did they would support both candidates! That is what the news should be about, thier opinions me nothing but the problem is many people base what they see and hear and vote on that note. Have you seen the new virginia poll she is up 40 over Obama that is amazing!

  166. hallow, hillary will get support from Latinos, Asians, working class ( Regan democrats) and some conservative which may be enough to win.

  167. meiyingsu Says:

    May 8th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
    SONIA4HILLARY, BHO don’t have a record to run on. he will lose landslide in GE.

    oh i know that

    come on i hate him and his wife for the way they trashed clintons

  168. ABM90

    This is for you, my friend, an edited piece from StopObama. Read and refortify yourself. Then, sleep well.
    *****************by Jeff Gold****

    We are a Month Away from Victory day, we We Will Win – and the Media know it. The enemy knows it. Their collaborators know it. All are desperately trying to save Obama from the inevitable confrontation which will see him reduced to rubble. Pundits and journalists are going all out to bail-out his behind – before they see their chances of Unholy Redemption, evaporate.

    Not this time. You picked the wrong Senator to tussle with! The wrong voters to disenfranchise, and the wrong people to mock!

    It’s being chronicled at noquarter and taylormarsh, and it doesn’t really need further documenting. Recent attempts by the punditocracy to nominate our Party’s Presidential Candidate, are instances of the “grassroots” Fat-Cats in the Media and Political elite, to destroy Clinton once and for all.

    Obama doesn’t stand a chance of winning the nomination, and as the Primary rolls to a close, this becomes too painfully apparent to Messrs. Axelrod, Plouff, and Penny Pritzker. He can’t get the delegates, or popular vote. Upcoming primaries will vindicate Clinton, and the Obama scoundrels’ last resort, is to apply overwhelming Media pressure to our morale, to beat us into submission and take us out of the voter calculus.

    They’ve done this incessantly throughout the Race, and now it appears, they are reaching Critical Mass.

    Critical Mass means making the contest a foregone conclusion, and minimizing Clinton turnout in the next six contests. Clinton supporters are supposed to be licking our wounds, instead of showing up in West Virginia, Oregon, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico.

    Optimally, this demoralization is best accomplished by henceforth altogether ignoring Clinton. To take her out of the media circuit, and marginalize her to the degree of a Mike Gravel and Ron Paul, the level of court jesters, or gadflies. For this media strategy to succeed, however, Clinton supporters must buy into the “we have lost” logic.

    Don’t count on it. We won’t. It’s what the Axis Powers tried on us during the War, and its what brought them endless humiliation, when Democracy stood towering over their defeated cause.

    The Critical Mass in the media has been reached. There is consensus, unanimous and monolithic to a truly debilitating degree, that Clinton has been taken out. Our counterstrategy-

    don’t buy into it.

    Don’t buy into it and redouble your efforts for phoning, donating, blogging, and whatever it takes to reach out to voters in the five and a half states.

    Your efforts will not go to waste. Victory is around the corner. The reason we are seeing Critical Mass, is precisely because Obama is about to be destroyed. They are attacking your morale, because their own resolve and morale, are dissipating. Critical Mass, is the counteroffensive to our D-Day.

    Obama is too tired, too exhausted, too reluctant, to carry on the fight beyond June 8th. He knows he will be devastated by Puerto Rico.

    For all their yapping, the Obama camp cannot afford to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan, and once the Primary is over, this will become painfully clear to his supporters, who are in for a giant let down.

    The DNC is the big collaborationist here, as it is praying to escape the humiliation of being busted with backtracking on its three months of anti-FL/MI rhetoric, by seeing Clinton outed before the show is over.

    Clinton loyalists and Clinton voters, have the trump cards, and the DNC may not be in direct cahoots with Axelrod, but they are trying to save their reputation, while fearing Clinton’s ability to tear it down.

    Obama feels the same. Repeatedly, he has expressed dismay at having to continue the struggle against our Roosevelt.

    Its pure fear on Obama’s part. The fear of being humiliated in front of voters, having to backtrack on Florida and Michigan, being exposed as divisive, arrogant, and self-serving. Obama knows too well, that he lacks the gamesmanship, the skill, or discipline and resolve, to take this all the way to Denver. Obviously, all of Obama’s supporter’s enthusiasm is not reflecting on his own flagging morale.

    Only Clinton can overcome and vanquish.

    Only Clintonites know how to carry on the good fight. But with this last Critical Mass offensive by the Obama forces, naturally moral will be hit. As casualties mount, we cannot lose sight of the objective.

    We must be realistic. By surviving we win, the enemy loses. Survive this to Puerto Rico, and you are home free. Its only if you take yourself out of the game, that we will lose. Obama has absolutely no way, mathematical or otherwise, of securing the nomination if we are in the game. Past June 8th, all odds favor Clinton.

    In our media environment, it will take a leap of faith to take this message to heart and continue the fight.

    Our mental reliance on the media is not a proverbial joke or exaggeration. What do we do, tune out? As Jamal recommended some time ago, righteous anger and conviction, and iron resolve to take this to Denver, are what we are made of. Clinton is our Presidential Choice, because those are the character traits which earn our loyalty.

    Media or no media, trudge on, prepared to slug it out to the last (wo)man.

    Clinton’s victory does present a Historically unprecedented opportunity for the American people to defeat the Media Leviathan suffocating our Democracy.

    Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Americas Greatest President, did it in 1932 and 1936, when all the newspapers and all the journalists were as prejudiced against him as the media are today against Senator Clinton. Roosevelt was even threatened by a Fascist march on the Capital – and yet, contrary to the hype and vicious propaganda of his day, he Overcame, he Vanquished, he Won.

    ***********
    As will we, AMB…as will we.

    Thanks Jeff.

  169. You what really pisses me off is that Hillarys spokesman are telling america her chances are slim who the f are these people they support her and talk shit! Why is not one person going on to CNN and bitching them out about thier biased ways?

  170. djia,
    “the dem party trashed them, turned they’re back on the clintons and have done a nuclear job of ruining them….”

    That was very neatly summed up…

  171. Blue Democrat, Al Gore lost in 2000 because he run away from Bill Clinton. BHO will be worse because he run trashing Bill.

  172. “(Obama) He knows he will be devastated by Puerto Rico.”

    Said before that was the reason for Chris Matthews rather vicious attack on PR tonight.

    They’d be losing the last contest, perhaps by a lot. On top of everything else.

  173. BIG NEWS FOR HILLARY-
    BREAKING NEWS: Congressman Chris Carney (PA) endorses Senator Hillary Clinton

    U.S. Rep. Chris Carney announced Thursday that he’s backing Hillary Clinton in the presidential primary

    Carney reported meeting with Clinton Wednesday, “and let her know Thursday that I am supporting her.”

    “I have watched this primary process very closely, and as I said I would do, I have weighed the temperament and leadership displayed by Sens. Clinton and Obama during the course of this campaign,” Carney said in a statement. “We are extremely fortunate to have two very strong candidates vying to lead our nation. Pennsylvania’s 10th (Congressional) District (voters) overwhelmingly chose Sen. Clinton in the Pennsylvania primary and I will respect their decision.”

    Rebecca Gale, his press secretary, said he was traveling with a congressional delegation to the U.S-Mexico border to evaluate border security and unavailable for comment.

    A full story will be available in Friday’s print edition of The Daily Review.

  174. I thought so blue dem

    it’s utterly disgusting…….i sent my letter off to all those emails posted above and told them that and more 😀

  175. meiyingsu,

    I know. But what are you trying to tell me? BO has largely gotten away with trashing Bill.

    Are you saying it’d come back to bite him with Hill as an independent?

  176. If Hillary runs as an Independent, I think she can win votes from both McCain and Obama and she’ll be the untouchable one. Let her run for the sake of those who really believe in her. (Is it still possible for her to do it?)

  177. George Will caught lying. Daily Kos diary praises him
    by kingsbridge77, Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:20:56 PM EST

    In today’s column, George Will, the most widely read newspaper opinion columnist in the nation, repeated a falsehood that has been used by the likes of Chris Matthews and others, to paint Hillary Clinton as a phony: that she “switched” teams, from the Cubs to the Yankees, just before the 2000 senatorial elections in New York, for political convenience.

    But as Media Matters notes today, Will’s own newspaper, the Washington Post, which he apparently doesn’t read, reported in 1994, (6 years before she ran for senator) that Hillary Clinton was as as kid “a big fan” of the Cubs and Yankees, and that she worshiped Ernie Banks and Mickey Mantle.

    Despite proof offered by Media Matters, not only today but several times in the past, a Daily Kos diarist has praised Will for trashing Clinton.

    &&&&
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/8/2 23217/8222/325/512245

    Lesson: Visit Media Matters on a daily basis, and bookmark it as one of your favorite sites

  178. *Excellent Must Read Article From Feb. 2008 Detailing Obama’s Opportunistic Political Career

    ——————————————————————————–

    This article may have been posted…It’s a really excellent Obama 101 course on his political rise and sham politics. I posted an excerpt but the link is worth reading for the full scoop. This is the type of article that should be sent around to remind people who Obama is…or isn’t!

    Obama and Me
    Feb. 28, 2008
    http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-0…ma-and-me/full

    Quote:
    When asked about his legislative record, Obama rattles off several bills he sponsored as an Illinois lawmaker.

    He expanded children’s health insurance, made the state Earned Income Tax Credit refundable for low-income families, required public bodies to tape closed-door meetings to make government more transparent and required police to videotape interrogations of homicide suspects.

    And the list goes on.

    It’s a lengthy record filled with core liberal issues. But what’s interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.

    Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama’s seven-year tenure. Each session, Obama backed legislation that went nowhere; bill after bill died in committee. During those six years, Obama, too, would have had difficulty naming any legislative achievements.

    Then, in 2002, dissatisfaction with President Bush and Republicans on the national and local levels led to a Democratic sweep of nearly every level of Illinois state government. For the first time in 26 years, Illinois Democrats controlled the governor’s office as well as both legislative chambers.

    The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James “Pate” Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned black senator known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.

    Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama’s. He became Obama’s kingmaker.

    Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city’s most popular black call-in radio program.

    I called Kelley last week, and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

    “He said, ‘Cliff, I’m gonna make me a U.S. senator.'”

    “Oh, you are? Who might that be?”

    “Barack Obama.”

    Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

    “I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” state Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

    “I don’t consider it bill jacking,” Hendon told me. “But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the 1-yard line and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book.”

    During his seventh and final year in the Illinois Senate, Obama’s stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law—including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced. It was a stunning achievement that started him on the path of national politics, and he couldn’t have done it without Jones.

    Before Obama ran for U.S. Senate in 2004, he was virtually unknown even in his own state. Polls showed less than 20 percent of Illinois voters had ever heard of Barack Obama.

    Jones further helped raise Obama’s profile by having him craft legislation addressing the day-to-day tragedies that dominated local news headlines.

    For instance, Obama sponsored a bill banning the use of the diet supplement ephedra, which killed a Northwestern University football player, and another one preventing the use of pepper spray or pyrotechnics in nightclubs in the wake of the deaths of 21 people during a stampede at a Chicago nightclub. Both stories had received national attention and extensive local coverage.

    I spoke to Jones earlier this week, and he confirmed his conversation with Kelley, adding that he gave Obama the legislation because he believed in Obama’s ability to negotiate with Democrats and Republicans on divisive issues.

    So how has Obama repaid Jones?

    Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones’ Senate district.

    Shortly after Jones became Senate president, I remember asking his view on pork-barrel spending.

    I’ll never forget what he said:

    “Some call it pork; I call it steak.”

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    Thursday May 8, 2008
    President:
    Of the Democrats, Hillary Clinton has the strongest policy background
    WEST Virginia Democrats will express themselves Tuesday almost at the end of their party’s bruising primary process. For many, the choice will be an uncomfortable one.

    Both Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are from the liberal wing of the Democratic party. West Virginia Democrats tend to be more conservative.

    Nevertheless, they must make a choice on Tuesday.

    The Daily Mail, which is philosophically at odds with both contenders for the Democratic nomination, endorses Hillary Clinton. She is by far the more experienced of the Democratic candidates, and the one who has had to learn the most about West Virginia.

    A Yale-educated lawyer, a former congressional staffer and former first lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton stumbled awkwardly onto the national stage. The Clintons, it was said, did not know the ways of Washington.

    She was ridiculed for fashion choices at her husband’s inaugural in 1992. She was excoriated for trying to bypass Congress and make health care policy herself.

    But Hillary’s history is that she keeps going, as she has during this primary campaign.

    This trait has produced a broad, deep background in policy. She has been an activist for children, migrant laborers, civil rights, higher standards in education, the Children’s Health Insurance Program and more.

    She won a U.S. Senate seat in New York in 2000 and was re-elected by a larger margin in 2006. No one questions her readiness for Washington any more.

    Now Hillary would be president, and Bill would be not baking the cookies or pouring the tea. Some Americans can’t countenance the prospect of another Clinton co-presidency.

    Either Democrat will have a tough time this fall against Republican John McCain, whose service, policy experience and bipartisan accomplishments trump Hillary’s.

    Of the Democrats, though, Hillary would be the stronger candidate

  180. Anduril919,

    I think(i) I remember someone saying there was a late June cutoff to get on the ballot in all 50 states.

    I could be very wrong on that.

  181. I would certainly support her as an Independent. We could a pull a 1912 TR on our good ol’ pal Obambi. That certainly ends any chances of him getting near the WH. And unlike TR, Hillary could win because of the women vote. Bill won’t be campaigning for Obama anyway, so he might be game for her running as an Independent. If Dean & Co are afraid of a little AA backlash, Hillary can give them something a lot more real to worry about. Does she have enough time to get on all the ballots?

  182. Behind the scenes, there were new discussions between Mr. Obama and the party leadership. Senior Democratic officials said he met with Speaker Nancy Pelosi when their paths crossed at Democratic Party headquarters. They had spoken by telephone earlier in the week. Ms. Pelosi and Mrs. Clinton have had no known recent talks.

    Addressing concern among some Democrats that Mrs. Clinton would fight on to the national convention in late August, Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Clinton campaign, suggested that the race would end quickly after the final primaries early next month, sparing the party a potentially debilitating summerlong battle.

    “After June 3, this is going to come to a conclusion,” Mr. McAuliffe said on NBC’s “Today” program.

    Other Clinton allies said much the same thing, evidence of a consensus that Mrs. Clinton has four weeks to make her case but then should exit quickly if she has not turned the race around. Her campaign grappled with a number of impediments to fighting on, including a decline in fund-raising.

    “I think she should complete the primary season, and then she has to re-evaluate and her supporters have to re-evaluate,” said Representative Nita M. Lowey of New York, a Clinton backer.

    Mr. Obama made no public effort to pressure Mrs. Clinton from the race, and in interviews with CNN and NBC News he praised her as a formidable candidate who could not yet be counted out. But he said that he was likely to lock up a majority of the pledged delegates — those awarded by voting in the primary and caucus states — after the Kentucky and Oregon primaries on May 20, and that at that point he could declare victory.

    While he was respectful to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama seemed eager to challenge Mr. McCain. Asked on CNN about Mr. McCain’s recent statement that the radical Palestinian party Hamas, considered by the United States to be a terrorist organization, would favor Mr. Obama’s election, Mr. Obama said it was offensive and called it a smear.

    “And so for him to toss out comments like that I think is an example of him losing his bearings as he pursues this nomination,” Mr. Obama said.

    In the meantime, Mr. Obama continued to scoop up more support from the superdelegates, the elected Democrats and party officials whose votes will be necessary for either candidate to secure the nomination.

    Representatives Brad Miller of North Carolina and Rick Larsen of Washington said Thursday that they would back Mr. Obama. Several more uncommitted superdelegates in Congress told Mr. Obama that they would be announcing their support in the coming days, campaign advisers and House Democratic officials said.

    Mr. Obama’s very public arrival in the House chamber on Thursday morning underscored the fact that the most important front in the Democratic nominating fight was suddenly Washington, where many of the superdelegates were milling around on the House floor voting on amendments to a housing bill.

    And it was in marked contrast to Mrs. Clinton’s private meetings near the Capitol the day before as she sought to convert undecided lawmakers. Aides to Mr. Obama said they saw his visit as an opportunity to create an image of Mr. Obama as the soon-to-be-nominee. Elated members on the floor seemed to share that view.

    “I think he is feeling comfortable and confident, and he should,” said Representative Ed Perlmutter of Colorado, an Obama backer. “My colleagues are beginning to really see him as the candidate. The consensus is that he is the nominee.”

    Mr. McAuliffe’s comments seemed aimed at easing anxiety that Mrs. Clinton would press her cause all the way to the convention, a prospect many Democrats view with alarm because it could keep the party divided.

    Allies of Mrs. Clinton said that even if she could not overtake Mr. Obama in delegate totals, she was positioned to do well in contests in West Virginia, Kentucky and Puerto Rico and they supported her decision to carry on.

    “We’re all in,” said Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, employing a poker comparison. “Why quit? We haven’t seen all of our cards yet.”

    Mr. Obama has not spent much time in Washington during the campaign and he has hardly ever been spotted in the House, where all senators have floor privileges. He didn’t exercise those privileges in his own chamber Thursday, missing two Senate votes on a flood insurance bill.

  183. this is from hillaryclintonforum

    Another Male

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    The most amazing thing I’ve noticed about the people of the US with this election has been the need for “change”! Change is not ANOTHER MALE in the White House, no matter whether he be older, younger, some origin other than white/caucasian, experienced, inexperienced, liberal, conservative, republican or democratic. Change is not another male in the White House, it is electing a woman who stands for change.

    Our country should thank the Democratic Party for offering a few new things this year. #1 -For making history in having both an African American and a Female running against each other for the party nomination to run for President! THAT’S CHANGE! #2- The country should be thankful that for the first time in election history, we are actually able to see some form of EQUALITY in the electory process!! THAT”S CHANGE!!

    CHANGE is not choosing a male candidate from another race in order to represent anything but white/caucasian males! CHANGE is to elect a FEMALE!! Not just ANY FEMALE, but a woman strong in her beliefs, her policies, and her dedication to making the USA a better nation!! CHANGE is making sure that the WOMAN for the job has the experience to MAKE EDUCATED DECISIONS.

    CHANGE IS HILLARY CLINTON and THANK GOD we have her!!

  184. Ronald Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
    Blue-
    terry has been saying that but also been saying that Hillary will be the nominee. I think he knows something that is going to swing it her way- probably involving FL and MI. Even Donna B was saying the penalty was draconian and should be reconsidered- which is funny cause she came up with it.

    Oh-hooooh…. Really? Maybe reality is setting in? Maybe she and Dean are thinking about what a squashed Obama in Nov might do to Black chances in future?

  185. Gawd folks.

    Howard Dean is not King George. and

    Donna Brazille is not Marie Antoinette.

    Keep on keeping on. Fight til the last Dawg dies.

    Barak Obama (or “Barama”, as his new best friend Joe Andrew, called him during his switch-speech. with his hand so passionately over his heart) is tired, out of ideas, and losing momentum. He cannot win the GE with the base he has, and is scared to death that he cannot expand that base sufficiently to make up for throwing older Americans, female Americans, Latino Americans, middle income Americans, Asian Americans, lower income Americans and rural and small town Americans and those Americans who can’t afford college or university, under the bus. Senator Obama has been exposed, bit by bit, as an inexperienced strip poker player…and it’s true…
    the would-be imperial president has no substance (or clothes, if you like your fables pure.)

  186. NYT , MJ. here’s more;

    Mr. Nemazee declined to discuss Mrs. Clinton’s cash situation, other than to say that he assumed she was running low. But he said that the campaign had opened offices in states where contests are still to be held, including West Virginia, Kentucky and Oregon. He added that Mrs. Clinton had also indicated a willingness to lend her campaign more money to keep it going.

    “In terms of having the resources to be competitive and be able to wage a credible campaign, I have no doubt she is in a position to do so,” he said. “Now, can circumstances change? Of course they can.”

    Alan Patricof, a national finance chairman for the Clinton campaign, said his sense was that the campaign was plunging ahead. He said a conference call had been scheduled for Thursday afternoon for top fund-raisers with former President Bill Clinton. A small group of fund-raisers is also scheduled to meet with Mrs. Clinton in Washington next week.

  187. WaPo;

    “Party strategists sketch out at least three scenarios for a possible end to the Clinton campaign.

    The cleanest envisions Clinton suddenly deciding the race is over and, for the good of the party, deciding to suspend her candidacy. That could happen after next week’s primary in West Virginia, which she is expected to win easily, or the following week, when she is expected to win Kentucky and Obama is favored to win Oregon.

    Obama said that after the May 20 primaries, he may be able to claim a majority of the pledged delegates and, therefore, the nomination. That could put pressure on her to quit, though her advisers are not buying Obama’s arithmetic.

    The messy scenario would see Clinton continuing her campaign all the way to the Democratic National Convention in Denver in late August — arguing that she would be the stronger nominee against Sen. John McCain — and mounting challenges before the party’s credentials committee over the seating of Michigan and Florida delegates.

    At this point, neither the clean nor messy endgame seems likely — to strategists in either campaign or to other Democrats watching the race. Clinton vowed to stay in the race but also has pledged that, if it is clear Obama has the nomination sewn up, to support him and work to unify the party and defeat McCain.

    That suggests the third scenario, that the race will not end until June 3 or soon after. Given what she said Wednesday about staying in until there is a nominee, and given the likelihood of rapid movement of superdelegates to Obama once the primaries are over (if not before), Clinton could declare the race over at that point.

    A fourth scenario envisions Clinton being forced suddenly to suspend her campaign because she is out of money. Already she and her husband have lent the campaign more than $11 million. In addition, the campaign as of April had reported debts of about $10 million.

    Obama advisers are watching and waiting. They are concerned that Clinton appears ready to continue challenging his strength against McCain. Inside the Obama camp, there is consensus that she should be given time to ease down from the intensity of recent months and to make a transition to more positive campaigning.

    They do not want to do anything to antagonize her by calling for her to get out or by questioning her motives for staying in. But they are reluctant to sit back in the face of attacks, and they are not happy with some of the things she has said in the past few days.

    So as settled as the outcome of the Democratic race may seem by the delegate math, it is far from over in the potential consequences for the candidates and the party.

  188. “they are not happy with some of the things she has said in the past few days.”

    The Clintons and we her supporters are not happy with what you ( BHO) did in the past a few months.

  189. I know it was bullshit when he said it, but the Clintons can honestly use the old Reagan line, “I didn’t leave the Democratic party. The Democratic party left me.”

    That said, Hill has received about 15 million democratic votes, approximately 1 million more than Obama.

  190. meiyingsu Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 12:41 am
    “they are not happy with some of the things she has said in the past few days.”

    The Clintons and we her supporters are not happy with what you ( BHO) did in the past a few months

    I had the same reaction. What has she said, in the past few days? Another one of their political tactics, turning it around, to make it her fault. As the McCain spokesman said, “Old politics.”

  191. BREAKING NEWS: Congressman Chris Carney (PA) endorses Senator Hillary Clinton

    U.S. Rep. Chris Carney announced Thursday that he’s backing Hillary Clinton in the presidential primary

    Carney reported meeting with Clinton Wednesday, “and let her know Thursday that I am supporting her.”

    “I have watched this primary process very closely, and as I said I would do, I have weighed the temperament and leadership displayed by Sens. Clinton and Obama during the course of this campaign,” Carney said in a statement. “We are extremely fortunate to have two very strong candidates vying to lead our nation. Pennsylvania’s 10th (Congressional) District (voters) overwhelmingly chose Sen. Clinton in the Pennsylvania primary and I will respect their decision.”

    Rebecca Gale, his press secretary, said he was traveling with a congressional delegation to the U.S-Mexico border to evaluate border security and unavailable for comment.

    A full story will be available in Friday’s print edition of The Daily Review.

  192. I think, he is bluffing. It would not be a good thing for her to do. She can do more as a senator.

  193. I think it is very important that Hillary come out and clearly state that she is not going to drop out under any circumstances, that she will fight this until Denver if need be, and no matter if Obama unilaterally declares himself the winner, that she and her supporters will not recognize it. And she should be very firm about the above. I am certain that many if not most of her supporters, those who helped her to victory in TX, OH, PA, and especially her women voters, want her to keep going. But they want to make certain that Hillary is in it for the long haul before they are willing to invest more time and money.

    For the life of me, I really don’t understand why Hillary is such a Party loyalist. The Party has done her dirty. Any person of average intelligence can see this. All along she should have taken a stronger line, a more independent stance, vis-à-vis the Party. It’s not too late to begin now. Her supporters would love it if she would. We are ready for a fight.

  194. Paddy,
    Glad you posted that. As I guessed before and I think it was Sonjia who concurred, I think if you look at Hillary’s remarks, and not those of her surrogates,that’s what she’s done.
    That remark about the white vote was pretty tough (and definitely needed to be said).

    That leaves the question of why the dueling messages, and as best as I can guess on the optimistic side, it’s their way of quieting this ludicrous media uproar before important votes in WV & KY, where margins are important. I think once BO declares ‘victory’ all hell will break loose.

    I just cannot in my gut believe they’re ready to give up this fight.
    No way.

  195. sounds like a serious cry of ‘desperation” by BO to me and perhaps its what the SD are requiring from him ???

    and i highly doubt hill would accept..

  196. mj,
    Hill DOES have a chance, a good one.

    It’s hard to kill Krugman, he’s been a voice of reason in the wilderness.
    What got into him? Was he ordered to write that? I doubt it.
    When these people see NO ONE dissenting, they feel it IS conventional wisdom and go from there.

    it may be conventional wisdom, but it ain’t reality.

  197. Blue, it’s not a great thing for BO what he says. I like Krugman. I just don’t get this. They held back on FL and MI to make BO look inevitable and dim Hill’s chances.

  198. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MJ!

    Listen everyone they are opinions that’s it! When have we ever heard people in the media say nice things about Hillary Clinton! Report the news is not what will happen in the next few months, if your mind is set on her losing then she just might! Don’t give up and stop posting what pundits are saying this is bullshit! This is the site to report what people are saying but not to give up on her ourselves, now Im not biased to think that she will win know matter what but damit she still can still! No need to have no doubts about this ok! MAKE CALLS TOMORROW AND DONATE, IF YOU LIVE IN ANY OF THE UPCOMING STATES GET YOUR ASS OUT THERE AND KNOCK ON THOSE DOORS, HOLD UP SIGNS ON THE STREET AND SAY SHE CAN AND WILL WIN!

  199. Blue, that she and her surrogates are sending mixed messages already says something. If she has decided that she will march on, then she needs to get her entire team singing off the same sheet of music. It will show at least that she is still mistress of her own ship.

    This entire media thing after Tuesday will go down in history as a classic propaganda coup. This was all well-planed in advance. Although Tuesday was no victory for Obama, they have been successful in creating the mirage of success for him. Basil said he was reading 1984, well, this is even better. Except it is not fiction. Now that the media has test run this one, it will only work harder in the future to perfect the ability to influence people’s minds. I am not being alarmist here. Just step back for a minute and review what has happened over the last few days. And the average citizen has no idea what or how it was done. That is proof enough for me of the media’s success in pulling this one off.

    The Chinese government is a keen observer. It has seen in this nomination contest the power of the western media as a political force. They felt its sting over the Tibet riots. Now their suspicions have only been re-enforced. It will be a long time before they allow the western media to pollute (their term) the minds of their citizens. They prefer the smell of their own media pollution. I guess it’s a draw as to which is worse.

  200. Know what MJ? We’ve got bigger problems than Krugman.
    Gotta find out if there’s anyway to beat that credentials committee.
    She’s got a very real chance to make it happen right up until that.

    But is it insurmountable? Is that why there’s this double-talk going on?
    Or does it mean total scorched earth on Dean, BO, and everyone else?
    That’d be fine with me, or the Indy route.

    I’ve said before win, or die trying.
    Nothing else matters, certainly not columnists I used to like.
    Not a single prominent columnist in the entire country has stood up and screamed, “Stopped The Madness”, if for no other reason than look what happened the last time the media facilitated a completely un-vetted and inexperienced candidate….

  201. Can we e-mail Hillary and let her know we don’t want her to quit. Take it to Denver. We have to show her we care by donating, donating, donating to give her the funds to carry on. Make phone calls

  202. I agree, Blue. Does anyone know what the delegate coubnt and pop count would be if MI and FL were seated in full as is?

  203. Blue,

    The following quote is bullshit — ‘anonymouse sources’ and all that. What real people in the campaign would say something like that to the press? The article just made that up, and probably made up the part about Bill too.


    “Despite the public bluster in a conference call with reporters Wednesday, some Clinton advisers were resigned to their candidate’s likely loss. They have turned in favor of her bowing out for party unity, according to several who asked not to be named.

    Only a few are said to be urging her to fight on, even to the Aug. 25-28 convention in Denver. Among these voices, the loudest belongs to her husband, former President Clinton, according to one longtime Democratic Party insider and Clinton supporter.

  204. Paddy,
    Elements of 1984, no doubt. A frightening similarity has been the past 8 years and that book. Media controls the country, period.

    Well, China toyed with the idea of a deal with Murdoch, then kicked him out. Tells you which they think is worse!

  205. Obama is an illusion period! If this country was that stupid to vote for Bush twice we have no doubt that they would for Obama. The good thing is that they are tired of the republican machines and want something new. The problem is that college kids relate to Obama just like they relate to Tom Cruise and Will Smith. Hard core Democrats know the Clintons and they know that they are change! Half of Obamas supporters were in their teens when Bill was in office, what the hell do they f ing know! The media like mathews, I believe like most men and middle aged women feel that if they vote for young Obama they will either get laid or feel young again. That is just my opinion.

  206. 1950,
    No way to know for sure. While the ‘sourcing’, especially in the light of the past 8 years and its plummeting journalistic standards, seems to suggest so, something like that could be intentionally leaked in order to quell this media onslaught as Hill’s short on ad $$$ and needs a high turnout in WV & KY.

  207. What Ed Koch said yesterday is key.

    ” I believe that, if he is the Democratic candidate for president, Senator Obama will lose in November. There are many people in the Democratic Party and its leadership who feel that way. They are told that, nevertheless, the party must accept Obama even if he arrives at the convention with fewer committed delegates than needed to win the nomination. They say that to deprive him of victory under all of these circumstances would so enrage his supporters that they would either stay home in November or cross party lines and vote for Senator John McCain.
    *****************************************************
    I’m having major medical emergency with my husband right now…so I’m won’t be posting too much right now…will drop in and out.

    I had a discussion with my Obama loving neighbor…he’s cool and I explained the facts of life that Obama doesn’t have a pray in CA….too many AAs and others honestly believe the end game is the nomination but that is only the get in the game card and when I explained the G.E. and the electoral college…I said now how is Obama going to win the G.E. since he has pissed off a majority of Clinton voters and supporters with Team Obama’s antics?

    Obama will not win California…no way. California is Clinton and McCain territory and Obama will find out the hard way come November. California does NOT vote party politics at the Presidential level…they vote the person.

    Obama NEEDS Clinton to win the G.E. BUT Hillary doesn’t need Obama to win…..she just doesn’t need him because Obama won the states that will be going Republican in the G.E….Hillary won the states that the Dems needs in November.

    There is NO doubts in my mind that the Jewish vote will go to McCain, like Lieberman did, if Obama is the nominee.

    The majority of the Latinos votes will go to McCain in those BIG ELECTORIAL VOTES…like California 54, Texas 32, Florida 25, Arizona 8, Nevada 4 = 113.

    In Play for McCain: PA 23, Ohio 21, MO 11, AR 5, MA 12 = 72.

    That’s not counting traditional Republican states.

  208. My question is if the two states are seated would that split for Obama give him enough delegates to win! Should we take that chance?

  209. I mean I want the states seated no matter what, sorry that was not supposed to come out like that! I am just worried. My point is that we need a recount.

  210. tell me where Im wrong, anyone;

    Aside from the perceptions game, this business about ‘enough delegates’ or ‘not enough delegates’ means very little even should BO hit the magic numbers, low 2025 or high 2209(?).

    And that is because they must be ratified at an August convention when republicans will have unloaded on BO and shown him to have massive baggage all SD’s will run to get out from under.

    Thus, as lo9ng as Hill hasn’t conceded, she has a shot. A very real shot.

  211. Barack Obama – Subplots of Operation Board Games
    Monday, 21 April 2008, 10:24 am
    Column: Evelyn Pringle

    Barack Obama – Subplots of Operation Board Games – Part I

    by Evelyn Pringle

    Previously:
    Barack Obama – Operation Board Games For Slumlords
    Barack Obama – The Wizard of Oz
    The investigation dubbed “Operation Board Games,” into the influence peddling within the cesspool of corruption that encompasses Illinois politicians from both major parties, has developed into multiple subplots, many of which feature Barack Obama.

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    Therefore, Obama should start bidding for the starring role in the movie that is sure to follow the criminal trials involved in this case because he has absolutely no chance of winning the White House, even if the leaders of the Democratic party allow this sorry charade to carry on and his name appears on the ballot.

    The major media organizations continue to ignore a story that is destined to become the biggest political scandal of the decade, except for a bleep here and there. By now this can only mean one of two things. They are either unwilling to commit the manpower necessary to connect the dots of all the subplots or they know the Republicans will supply the goods free of charge the minute Obama becomes the nominee.

    This two-part article is the last article in a 3-part series. The first two, Barack Obama – The Wizard of Oz and Barack Obama – Operation Board Games For Slumlords, cover Obama’s rise to fame in the political mafia of Illinois, bankrolled by the now infamous Syrian-born influence peddler, Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

    They also give the details of Obama’s involvement in a slumlord business largely operating out of the Chicago-based Davis, Miner & Barnhill law firm, which hired Obama in 1993, with his boss, Allison Davis, reaping in the profits with Rezko‘s development company, Rezmar.

    The “Board Games For Slumlord” article gives in-depth details of the federal investigation along with the names of people who are listed as “Co-Schemers” and “Individuals” in the indictments issued thus far. Therefore for the most part, this article will refer to all the scams collectively as what prosecutors refer to as “pay-to-play” schemes.

    The mainstream media continues to refer to the corruption trial currently taking place in a Federal courthouse in Chicago as the Rezko case, never mentioning the fact that Rezko is sitting in the courtroom alone at the defendant’s table only because many of the co-defendants have already pleaded guilty, or have not been indicted yet.

    Some of the people listed in the indictments as co-schemers and individuals include William Cellini, a long-standing Republican powerbroker in Illinois, and Robert Kjellander, treasurer for the Republican National Committee.

    In the April 3, 2008 Chicago Sun-Times, Mark Brown wrote: “For more than three decades, William Cellini has been the unseen hand pulling the strings of Illinois government, adroitly manipulating it to his purpose.”

    “That purpose,” Brown noted, “was mainly to make himself rich — through lobbying fees and insider contracts, government loans and leases for his real estate developments, and finally the coup de grace, his own riverboat casino company.”

    Cellini was a co-founder of Commonwealth Realty Advisors, “a firm that has received hundreds of millions of dollars in pension funds to invest on behalf of retired state employees and teachers,” according to a report by Rick Pearson in the April 6, 2008 Chicago Tribune.

    The Feds have several incriminating taped conversations between Cellini and the co-schemers and after hearing the tapes, Sun-Time reporter, Mark Brown wrote:

    “That Cellini would slip up and allow himself to be caught on a federal wiretap is nothing short of a miracle to those of us who have marveled at his career and attempted to expose his deals where we could — mostly in vain and always too late to foil him.”
    On January 7, 2005, Crain’s Chicago Business described Robert Kjellander as the “White House’s man in Illinois,” and noted that:

    Mr Kjellander, “the GOP national committeeman from Illinois, long has been at the center of the state Republican Party and related government doings. He is a close associate of key presidential advisor Karl Rove, and is considered the unofficial chief operative in the state for President George W. Bush.”
    In 2005, the Feds issued a subpoena to the Illinois Teachers Retirement System pension fund for records pertaining to a deal in which Kjellander was paid $3.1 million by the Carlyle Group, with an additional $1.4 million still to come. Many little known facts about the secretive Carlyle Group are discussed in the book, “The Iron Triangle,” by Dan Briody, including this bizarre eye-opener:

    “On the morning of September 11, 2001, “in the plush setting of the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Washington, DC, the Carlyle Group was holding its annual international investor conference. Frank Carlucci, James Baker III, David Rubenstein, William Conway, and Dan D’Aniellow were together, along with a host of former world leaders, former defense experts, wealthy Arabs from the Middle East, and major international investors as the terror played out on television.
    “There with them, looking after the investments of his family was Shafiq bin Laden, Osama bin Laden’s estranged half-brother. George Bush Sr. was also at the conference, but Carlyle’s spokesperson says the former president left before the terror attacks.

    “In any circumstance, a confluence of such politically complex and globally connected people would have been curious, even newsworthy. But in the context of the terrorist attacks being waged against the United States by a group of Saudi nationals led by Osama bin Laden, the group assembled at the Ritz-Carlton that day was a disconcerting and freakish coincidence.”

    Kjellander and Cellini have not been indicted – yet. When prosecutors filed a proffer with the court outlining the evidence to be used at trial they made it known that they did not intend to call several co-schemers to testify, including Cellini. Resko’s attorneys then filed a brief seeking to exclude the statements attributed to Cellini and others, on the basis that they would not be called as witnesses and in Cellini’s case, he had never even been interviewed by prosecutors.

    However, in a response brief, the government asserted that, Cellini “participated in a number of corrupt aspects of the scheme” and “there are many other explanations that can account for the failure to charge or interview an individual other than innocence.”

    On February 19, 2008, US District Judge Amy St Eve issued an order denying the request to exclude statements by Cellini and said the government has submitted enough evidence to corroborate the contention that “Co-Schemer A Cellini was “an integral player” in the scheme.”

    Rezko is widely known to be a bipartisan influence peddler. During his opening statement, Rezko’s lead defense attorney, Joseph Duffy, told the jury that Rezko raised money for Democrats and Republicans alike, such as former Cook County Board President, John Stroger, and Representative Luis Gutierrez, Democrats, and former Governor Jim Edgar, a Republican, along with current Governor Rod Blagojevich and Obama, both Democrats.

    Duffy told the jurors that Rezko “met Barack Obama when he was in Harvard Law School and tried to hire him” to be the lawyer for his development company. During 2003 and 2004, he said, Rezko helped organize fundraisers for both President Bush and Obama

    Persons who have avoided trial in the Board Games case by pleading guilty to corruption charges include the government’s star witness, Stewart Levine, a Chicago businessman who had been a major fundraiser for Republicans in Illinois for decades, including Bush.

    Levine was the first defendant nailed in the Board Games investigation. The FBI confronted him four years ago on May 20, 2004, and although he was cooperating with the Feds for some time, he did not enter an official guilty plea until October 2006.

    Defendants who pleaded guilty as early as September 2005, include Chicago attorney, Steve Loren, a lawyer for the teacher’s retirement pension fund, Joseph Cari, an attorney and former finance chairman for the national Democratic National Committee, and Jacob Kiferbaum, owner of a Chicago area construction company.

    Several other people listed in the indictments are testifying under a grant of immunity from prosecution. The jury has been made aware that if the people who have pleaded guilty or been granted immunity are caught lying under oath in court, all deals are off.

    On October 11, 2006, the US Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, Patrick Fitzgerald, issued a press release to finally announce the unsealing of two indictments charging “Chicago area businessman and political fundraiser Antoin Rezko in connection with two separate and extensive fraud schemes.”

    The press release noted that Rezko, “who, in addition to owning pizza and fast food restaurant franchises in Illinois and Wisconsin, developed real estate and was involved in political fund-raising in Illinois, was added as a new defendant in a pending federal corruption case that was brought against Levine and others last year.”

    The first indictment alleged that Rezko participated in a scheme to obtain millions of dollars by shaking down firms doing business before two Illinois regulatory boards, the Teachers Retirement System (TRS) and the Hospital Facilities Planning Board, on which Levine served. In the press release, Fitzgerald stated:

    “This indictment describes a frenzy of corrupt scheming, particularly in April and May 2004, in which political insiders sought to manipulate the activities of two state boards to fleece investment firms and individuals. The defendants and their associates put the word out loud and clear: you have to pay to play in Illinois.”
    Fitzgerald further reported that, “Cari and Loren, both formerly prominent Chicago lawyers, each pleaded guilty in the pending TRS fraud case. Kiferbaum, a suburban construction executive, pleaded guilty in the pending Planning Board case.”

    “All three are cooperating with the government and awaiting sentencing,” the release said.

    “This basically involved a pay to play scheme on steroids,” Fitzgerald told reporters.

    Allison Davis, Obama’s boss at the law firm, is also listed in legal documents as playing a part in setting up a major extortion attempt in the Board Games case.

    In court filings, the government also discusses plans by the schemers to use the State Board of Investments, which invests pension funds for state employees, and the State University Retirement System, which invests pension funds for state university workers, to obtain kickbacks from companies wanting to do business with the pension funds.

    In fact, several kickback schemes were already set up when Levine was confronted by the FBI, and failed only because he could not follow through with the deals.

    The second indictment unsealed on October 11, 2006, alleges that Rezko fraudulently obtained more than $10 million in loans for a pizza restaurant business from General Electric Capital Corp. Due to the complex nature of the two indictments, the loan fraud case will be discussed in Part II of “Subplots of Operation Board Games.”

    The indictments issued so far point to only two politicians as specifically getting money from kickbacks resulting from the Board Games‘ schemes: Governor Rod Blagojevich and Barack Obama. Twenty thousand dollars from the first pay-off was funneled to Obama through a bank account belonging to the pizza businesses.

    When Rezko was asked whether he was considering cooperating with the government and testifying against others as part of a plea bargain, he laughed loud and long and said, “Hell, no,” according to a report by James Merriner in the November 2007, Chicago Magazine.

    “Tell them I’ll see them in court,” he told Merriner.

    Rezko has now been seen in court for about a month and a half. The Chicago Tribune has two reporters, Bob Secter and Jeff Coen, covering the trial at the Federal courthouse in Chicago and every few hours they post excellent highlights of the testimony on “Gavel-to-Gavel” which can be followed this Tribune Rezko court blog.

    Credit for much of the testimony cited in this article belongs to the diligent efforts of Sector and Coen in covering the trial. Facts and evidence offered by the government that is cited comes from the indictments, motions, briefs and other court filings.

    Stuart Levine was a member of both the TRS board and the Planning Board when Blagojevich took office. During his opening statement, Rezko’s lead defense attorney, James Duffy, pointed out that Levine backed a Republican in the 2002 governor’s race and said Levine realized “he bet on the wrong horse,” when Blagojevich won.

    “Mr. Inside was now on the outside,” he told the jury. “His ego could not handle it.”

    He also made a point to mention that Levine had close political ties to Obama and other Illinois politicians.

    According to Duffy, the reason Levine started making up stories about having ties to Blagojevich and people close to the governor was to give off the impression of power.

    The jury might have found that feeble excuse for a motive a tad credible if not for the fact that documentary evidence was produced to prove that Blagojevich, along with his campaign manager, David Wilhelm, his other campaign fundraisers, and high ranking Illinois officials, including Obama, specifically approved Levine’s re-appointment to the Planning Board.

    Stuart Levine was on the stand for over two weeks, singing like a canary, hoping to reduce what could have been a life sentence to less than 6 years.

    Duffy used up a good portion of his cross-examination exploiting the fact that Levine was an admitted dope fiend who, in addition to swindling every buck he could with the help of corrupt politicians for his entire life, spent much of his spare time partying at motels with a group that Duffy constantly referred to as “male friends.”

    However, after reading all the testimony posted on Gavel-to-Gavel, the only point clearly established is that Levine footed the bill for the parties and would put a bonifide street junkie to shame. While on the stand, Levine admitted again and again to taking a litany of drugs including cocaine, qualudes, ecstasy, crystal meth and an animal tranquilizer.

    Duffy drilled away at this issue and at times it became downright amusing. For instance, at one point Duffy asked Levine whether Levine’s secretary could hear him snorting drugs through the closed door of his office, and Levine replied: “If my snorting was so loud that you could hear me through a wall or door, I’m quite amazed at the loudness of my snorting.”

    Thus far, jurors have also heard damaging testimony about how the scheme was carried out from the chairman of the Health Facilities Planning Board, Thomas Beck, and Imad Almanaseer, one of three doctors who were appointed to the panel to help rig the votes.

    The first two articles in this series reported that Blagojevich was supposed to be the candidate for President, not Obama. That assertion was based on testimony in the trial by the government’s star witness, Stuart Levine, about conversations he had with Rezko.

    That one of the main goals of the “pay-to-play” schemes was to raise money for a presidential run by Blagojevich was collaborated by testimony on April 15, 2008, by Joseph Cari.

    He told the jury about a conversation he had with Blagojevich himself in 2003, in which Blagojevich told him that it would be easer for him to raise money then a senator because now that he was governor, Blagojevich had the power to hand out contracts and state business to people who contributed to his campaign.

    Cari also testified that Blagojevich tried to convince him to lead the national fund raising efforts for his presidential bid but Cari did not want the job.

    Blagojevich also told Cari that Rezko and his other major fundraiser, Christopher Kelly, were the two people he trusted most and apparently would follow Blagojevich to Washington. “They were going to be the key people in his public-service career, wherever it went,” Cari said.

    Cari also told the jury about meetings he had with Rezko and Kelly in 2004, at which they pressured Cari to lead the national fundraising operation for Blagojevich in exchange for receiving legal work, consultant work or pension fund business from the state.

    “I could have whatever I wanted, but they needed help nationally to raise money,” he told the jury.

    Cari maintains that he repeatedly said no to their requests.

    Campaign finance laws in Illinois have aided and abetted influence peddling schemes for years because they allow donors to give as much as they like to candidates running for state office, so the sky‘s the limit.

    Obama’s political career was bankrolled by the same gang that planned to make Blagojevich president. For instance, Fortunee Massuda, another participant identified in the “pay-to-play” schemes, contributed $25,000 to Blagojevich compared to $2,000 to Obama. Michel Malek, another participant, threw $25,000 to Blagojevich and $10,500 to Obama.

    Ali Ata, another guy listed as a co-schemer in one indictment, was made executive director of the Illinois Finance Authority, and he contributed $25,000 to Blagojevich and $5,000 to Obama.

    Jay Wilton, identified by prosecutors as a major contributor to Blagojevich, is the owner of Wilton Partners, a construction company in California. He donated $50,000 to Blagojevich shortly after his firm cinched an $83 million contract with the state to refurbish the Illinois tollway’s oasis rest stops. Wilton also gave $5,000 to Obama.

    Joe Cari donated $15,000 to Blagojevich but only gave $1,335 to Obama.

    A trial exhibit produced by an FBI agent, identifies major contributors who donated $1.43 million to Blagojevich between 2001 and 2004. The Chicago Sun-Times compared the exhibit to government campaign records on Obama and found he received more than $220,000 from many of the same donors between 2001 and 2004.

    John Roger, the head of Ariel Capital, an investment firm that ended up with major money from the pension funds, is on the FBI’s summary of Blagojevich’s top contributors. He also gave Obama $25,000.

    Rogers is a member of the finance committee for Obama’s presidential campaign. Rogers also served on the campaign finance committee for Obama’s US Senate run with Tony and Rita Rezko, Allison Davis, and Myron “Mike” Cherry.

    Mike Cherry is listed in the indictment for the pay-to-pay schemes and the FBI shows he gave Blagojevich $25,000 in 2003.

    Daniel Mahru, a major player in the Chicago slumlord racket, has reportedly flipped in the Board Games case and is cooperating with the prosecution. He is the owner of Automatic Ice Company, which donated $10,000 to Blagojevich. Mahru gave $5,000 to Obama.

    Attorney, Jack Carriglio, contributed $25,000 to Blagojevich and was appointed to the TRS Board. He also gave $1000 to Obama.

    After Rezko’s indictment was unsealed in October 2006, the first report in the Chicago Tribune noted, “Obama donated $11,500 to charity — a total that represents what Rezko contributed to the senator’s federal campaign fund.”

    That statement intentionally leads readers to believe that Obama donated all campaign contributions from Rezko to charity, which is so far from the truth that it’s laughable.

    On November 5, 2006, the Tribune reported that, Obama said Rezko raised as much as $60,000 for him during his political career. The next day, the Sun-Times quoted Obama as saying: “I did however donate campaign contributions from Rezko to charity.”

    The Obama camp stuck with the $50,000 or $60,000 story for nearly a year until Obama’s March 14, 2008 interviews with the Chicago Sun-Times and Tribune and the team of reporters pinned him down and the amount added up to $250,000.

    For decades, the “pay-to-play” schemes exposed by the Board Games case have been standard conduct for politicians in Illinois, Republicans and Democrats alike, creating a vicious circle. Officials cannot get elected without the contributions of the corrupt influence peddlers and the crooks cannot fund the campaigns without the pay-offs.

    In a January 11, 2006, report by Better Government Association, the groups Executive Director, Jay Stewart, stated: “Illinois is awash in scandal and corruption.”

    “Former Governor George Ryan is on trial, Governor Blagojevich’s administration is the subject of numerous investigations, and the Hired Truck scandal has resulted in dozens of guilty pleas and indictments in Mayor Daley’s City Hall. A common thread with all these scandals is questionable campaign contributions, contracts and hiring.”
    The most alarming indication that the corruption in Illinois will never end is the fact that the schemes continued on at full-throttle at a time when the same team of Federal prosecutors, led by Patrick Fitzgerald, was arresting people left and right as a result of an eight year investigation of the last Governor, George Ryan.

    The guilty pleas of Steven Loren and Joe Cari in the Board Games case came just days before jury selection was scheduled to being for a trial in which Ryan was facing a 22-count indictment with charges involving many of same kinds of influence peddling.

    Seventy-three of Ryan’s former associates and state employees in his administration pleaded guilty or were convicted of federal felonies, including bribery, kickbacks, and perjury, according to an October 1, 2005 report by Steve Stanek for the Heartland Institute.

    The governor’s former campaign manager and chief of staff, Scott Fawell, and Ryan both ended up with six and a half years in prison.

    Four of the last seven Illinois governors have been indicted on charges related to influence peddling, and three were convicted. Anyone following the first trial of what could be many in the Board Games case knows that Blagojevich is targeted to be the fourth.

    Ironically, Reuters reported on Ryan’s entering prison on November 7, 2007 and stated: “The scandals paved the way for Democrats to regain the Illinois governor’s seat for the first time in more than a quarter century with Rod Blagojevich’s election in 2002.”

    The Board Games investigation was also known to be underway as top members of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley’s Administration were being investigated, arrested and convicted by the same prosecutors for crimes ranging from bid rigging to illegal hiring for city jobs in exchange for campaign support for Daley and the candidates he endorsed.

    A January 26, 2004 Sun-Times article by Fran Spielman reported: “The dethroned head of Chicago’s scandal-scarred Hired Truck Program was charged with extortion and bribery in an indictment, unsealed this afternoon, stemming from a sweeping federal investigation of the $40 million-a-year city program.”

    On January 10, 2005, the Associated Press reported that contractor, James Duff, whose family has raised money for Mayor Richard Daley’s campaigns pleaded guilty to defrauding the city through a series of janitorial contracts “worth $100 million.”

    Duff is part of a mob-connected family that has been closer to Daley than any other defendants charged in recent corruption cases. “The family has raised thousands of dollars for the mayor’s campaign fund and socialized with him at Christmas parties and other events,” according to the Associated Press.

    In this case, 5 family members were accused of getting city contracts that were reserved for businesses controlled and operated by women and minorities, when in fact, Windy City Maintenance was controlled by James Duff.

    On March 20, 2008, the Chicago Tribune reported the Inspector General, David Hoffman, stated that:

    “James Duff, who cheated the city and insurance companies out of millions of dollars, should be subject to the stiffest penalty outlined in policies drawn up in 2005 following a series of contracting scandals.”
    But the Tribune then said: “Daley’s administration has banned the head of Windy City Maintenance and two others convicted of contract fraud from doing business with the city for three years, despite a recommendation from the inspector general that they never be allowed to do work for City Hall again.”

    “Allowing the defendants in this case to be eligible for city contracts in the future sends a message that is inconsistent with deterrence and integrity in the system,” Inspector General Hoffman said.

    “If racketeering, fraud and money laundering only merit three years’ debarment, then it will be hard to convince other contractors that their misconduct will result in a powerful financial sanction,” he said in the Tribune report.

    The last two presidents of the notoriously corrupt Cook County Board include a father-son Stroger tag team. John Stroger left office after he had a stroke in 2006, and he died in January 2008.

    His 2002 campaign finance committee was headed by Rezko, which means Rezko was a might busy guy being he also served as the top rainmaker of fundraising for both Blagojevich and Obama during the same time period.

    The Cook Country Board was also under the gun at the same time that the Board Games investigation was being conducted. On September 22, 2006, ABC News in Chicago reported that:

    “FBI agents armed with search warrants carried out raids at several Cook County offices in downtown Chicago Thursday in connection to an investigation in to political patronage hiring. Agents are expected to return Friday.”
    ABC pointed out that the feds have been all over the Daley administration, the Blagojevich administration, and they were all over Cook County government. Agents armed with subpoenas and requests for information were at all three of the medical facilities, the hospitals, and the forest preserve district.

    “We don’t know how many different investigations of corruption are going on countywide, but the target seems to be allegations of political shenanigans when it comes too hirings and promotions,” ABC News stated.

    Since November 2006, a Federal court-appointed monitor has been overseeing the hiring practices in Cook County, and as recently as April 10, 2008, she reported that political hiring is alive and well in Cook County with President Todd Stroger running the Board.

    Julia Nowicki, “who monitors about 12,000 jobs under Stroger and at the Bureau of Health, said she has hundreds of old and dozens of current patronage complaints — including claims an entire department under Stroger is a patronage haven,” according to the April 10, 2008 Sun-Times.

    Last but not least, Obama knew about the Operation Board Games investigation during his year-long wheeling and dealing escapade with Rezko to arrange the purchase of the mansion and lot, and any claim to the contrary by the “I did not know” candidate is ludicrous.

    On July 18, 2004, nearly a year before Obama bought the mansion, Chicago Tribune reporters Ray Gibson, Crystal Yednak, Ray Long and Jane Fritsch wrote that: “Blagojevich adviser tied to appointee; Doctor, fundraiser co-owned condos.”

    A podiatrist, Fortunee Massuda, selected to a serve “on a powerful state health-care oversight panel is a partner in a real estate venture with a top Blagojevich fundraiser and counselor who recommended her appointment,” the report stated.

    Massuda’s connection to Antoin Rezko, the Blagojevich fundraiser and adviser, was not publicly disclosed when the governor appointed her to the Health Facilities Planning Board on August 12, 2003, the Times pointed out.

    The report also noted that Massuda was one of “several members” appointed by Blagojevich to sit on the board, “after the governor won legislative approval” to overhaul its membership. That would be the “legislative approval” that Obama signed off on.

    On January 8, 2005, the Sun-Times reported that Blagojevich’s own father-in-law said the governor’s fund-raising chief Christopher Kelly, “trades appointments to commissions for checks for $50,000” to Blagojevich’s political fund.

    In May 2005, news came that Levine had been indicted on 27 counts of official corruption and was facing a possible life sentence in prison.

    On September 1, 2005, nearly four months before Obama bought the lot, the Tribune obtained a copy of a June 2005 subpoena issued to the TRS fund and reported that:

    “Federal investigators have asked the state teachers’ pension system for records involving a cadre of political insiders, ranging from prominent GOP fundraisers to a close adviser to Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich.”
    “The subpoena seeks records for more than two dozen people and businesses, including several clout-heavy Republicans and Democrats with years of influence in state and national politics. Some of those named have done business with the pension fund, while others have no apparent connection to the board.”

    The report notes that one of “the most prominent names in the subpoena is Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a close confidant and major Blagojevich fundraiser.”

    The revelation in the Tribune most relevant to Obama going ahead with his “boneheaded“ deal, was the comment that the subpoena also called for records of Rezko’s “wife’s firm as well as records of some of his business associates.”

    Also in September 2005, Steve Loren and Joe Cari pleaded guilty and Cari’s plea agreement mentioned Stuart Levine and an “associate,” whom the media quickly reported was Rezko.

    Obama’s purchase of that mansion was the result of pure greed. By the time he bought the lot, Obama knew Blagojevich was going down and would not be the presidential candidate. He also knew that he would be pulled off the bench as the second choice, but he went ahead with the deal anyways.

    Illinois citizens are sick of paying the cost of corruption. A September 26, 2007 News Release by Steve Stanek of the Heartland Institute carried the headline: “Proposed Tax Hike Would Give Chicago Nation’s Highest Sales Tax Burden”

    “Chicagoans would face an 11 percent sales tax rate, highest in the nation, if Cook County officials go through with a plan to more than triple the county’s portion of the area’s sales tax,” Stanek wrote.

    An October 14, 2007 Sun-Times report by Tim Novak and Fran Spielman noted that,
    “When Mayor Daley asked Chicagoans to cough up $293 million more next year to finance the cost of city government, there’s one tax he failed to mention: The Corruption, Waste and Mismanagement Tax.”

    “It’s almost impossible to calculate the cost of the Hired Truck, city hiring, minority contracting and police corruption scandals,” they wrote. “More than 1,400 people have staked claims to the $12 million fund created to compensate victims of the city’s rigged hiring system.”

    Well over $2 million in legal fees, and counting, have been paid to federal hiring monitor appointed in 2005 to oversee city hiring, the report said, “by a federal judge livid with the city for making a mockery of the decree that was supposed to end political hiring and firing, but never did.”

    According to the Sun-Times, Hundreds of thousands of additional legal fees were spent for attorneys who represented Daley, the City Council and the Black Caucus in the case.

    On February 1, 2008, Steve Stanek reported that the “Chicago City Council has approved the biggest property tax hike in the city’s history, plus higher taxes and fees on a host of other items.”

    “Other items to see tax or fee hikes,” the report noted, “include liquor, telephone service, natural gas, car leases, DVD rentals, and city vehicle stickers.”

    The tax hikes also included a five-cent tax on each bottle of bottled water sold in the city.

    Corruption was the argument raised by city aldermen who opposed the tax hikes.

    “Nothing has eroded public confidence in our local government more than the constant drumbeat of criminal indictments and convictions of people who have enriched themselves at public expense,” said Alderman Joe Moore during the floor debate, according to the report.

    “And nothing has made the public more cynical than the endless string of broken promises to end business as usual in city government.”

    “How many bottles of water must be sold to pay for the $12 million fund created to compensate victims of the city’s rigged hiring system?” Moore said, referring to a lawsuit settlement the city is still paying for years of corrupt hiring practices that favored politically connected persons for jobs and promotions, Stanek reports.

    A March 8, 2008 report by Stanek in Budget & Tax News on a Cook County Board Meeting in late December 2008 reported that:

    “Complaints from thousands of angry taxpayers and infighting among county commissioners have held off nearly $890 million of proposed tax and fee hikes in Cook County, Illinois.”
    According to Stanek, taxpayers flooded the county commissioners with phone calls, emails, and letters of protest, “apparently to good effect.” The report noted that:

    “Dozens of former Chicago city workers and close associates of the Daley administration have been convicted of crimes in recent years. Illinois’ immediate past governor and scores of his associates have been convicted of federal crimes, and current Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D), his wife, and associates of theirs are the apparent targets of several federal criminal probes.”
    “Some Blagojevich administration officials have been convicted of crimes related to their involvement with state government.”

    During the board meeting, Democratic Cook County Commissioner Forest Claypool said public pressure against any tax or fee increases “has been intense.”

    According to the report, Claypool believes “the constant backdrop of news stories about government corruption and waste here in the county and in Chicago and Springfield has shown people they really are paying corruption and dysfunction taxes.”

    “I think people are realizing that paying more taxes is simply enabling decrepit and dysfunctional government,” he said.

    During the meeting, Republican Cook County Commissioner, Tony Peraica, said: “The best way to fight tax increases is by fighting the corruption that drains tens of millions of dollars from the county budget.”

    Peraica has long complained of illegal patronage hiring, rigged contracts, and other waste and corruption in Cook County, according to Staneck‘s report.

    And let there be no doubt, Obama is a member of this corrupt gang. On January 22, 2007 ABC News in Chicago announced that Senator Obama “is supporting Mayor Daley’s re-election bid despite a series of City Hall corruption scandals.”

    Mayor Daley endorsed Obama for president a few weeks ago and the mayor’s brother Bill is now an Obama advisor, the report noted.

    “So in the spirit of political payback, Obama is endorsing Daley for re-election over two African American challengers despite a series of City Hall corruption scandals that Obama called deeply troubling as recently as a few months ago.”

    ABC reported that Obama said, “Daley’s overall record, his style of inclusion and his love of Chicago make him a better choice than challengers.”

    Obama also endorsed Daley’s running mates for City Clerk, Miguel Del Valle, and Stepanie Neeley, for Treasurer, ABC News added. It should be noted, that the last City Clerk just got out of prison after being convicted in the Hired Truck scandal, and has written a book about the corruption in the Daley administration.

    Five months after Obama publicly endorsed Daley, a report by David Jackson and John McCormick in the June 12, 2007 Tribune noted that:

    “Obama endorsed former Ald. Dorothy Tillman (3rd), calling her “a very early supporter of my campaign.” Tillman was then under fire for her stewardship of the scandal-plagued Harold Washington Cultural Center, where contracts benefited members of her family.
    “Obama supported the re-election of Gov. Rod Blagojevich, whose administration is embroiled in corruption probes.”

    And during the race for Cook County Board president, Obama predictably endorsed Todd Stroger over a Republican and was criticized for calling Stroger “a good progressive” despite allegations of job-rigging to favor members of Stroger’s 8th Ward organization,” according to the report.

    On September 5, 2007, the New York Post reported that: “A man who has long been dogged by charges that the bank his family owns helped finance a Chicago crime figure will host a Windy City fund-raiser tonight for Senator Barack Obama.”

    Alex Giannoulias became Illinois state treasurer last year after Obama vouched for him, has pledged to raise $100,000 for the senator’s Oval Office bid, the Post noted.

    When Giannoulias was questioned by the Tribune in March 2006 about loans made between 1994 and 2002, to companies controlled by convicted bookmaker and prostitution ring promoter, Michael Giorango, he said the bank’s decisions were made while he was still in law school, when he wasn’t a full-time bank employee.

    But the Tribune later found records that showed Broadway Bank made nearly $12 million in additional mortgage loans to Giorango in 2005, when Giannoulias was overseeing the bank’s loans.

    Obama knew the September 2007 fundraising affair would draw attention in Chicago so he tried to make sure it remained unknown. On September 5, 2007, Lynn Sweet, wrote in the Sun-Times:

    “Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) omits from his Wednesday public schedule a fund-raiser hosted by Illinois State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias at a restaurant in Chicago’s Greektown community. The event is closed to the press and a campaign spokesman, Ben LaBolt, said in response to my e-mail query this morning that a pool reporter will not be allowed in the reception.”
    On April 22, 2007, the Tribune noted that City Hall records show Michelle Obama began work as a $60,000-a-year mayoral assistant to Richard Daley in September of 1991.

    At City Hall, Michelle formed close friendships with Valerie Jarrett, and many other top Daley aides, including former Corporation Counsel Susan Sher and David Mosena, who was the mayor’s chief of staff when Michelle first joined his administration.

    “All have long since left the city payroll,” the Tribune wrote, “but are loyal to the mayor and now the Obamas.”

    On June 13, 2006, Michelle’s employer, the University of Chicago announced that, “Valerie Jarrett has been appointed as the new Chair of the University of Chicago Medical Center Board and also Chair of a newly created Executive Committee of that board. She has also been named Vice-Chair of the University’s Board of Trustees.”

    According to the announcement, Jarrett “served for eight years in City of Chicago government posts, first as Deputy Corporation Counsel for Finance and Development, then as Deputy Chief of Staff for Mayor Richard Daley in 1991,” and, “as Commissioner of the Department of Planning and Development from 1992 through 1995.”

    Jarrett served on Obama’s US Senate campaign finance committee and serves on Obama’s presidential campaign finance committee along with Alex Giannoulias and Mayor Daley’s brother Bill.

    The political mafia of Illinois now plans to move the Chicago brand of corruption to Washington in a U-Haul hooked up to their second choice candidate. Americans will never allow it to happen. They will either vote for McCain or not at all.

    If Obama becomes the nominee, the Republicans will unleash a non-stop expose of Obama in the mainstream media that will make the swift boat attacks against John Kerry seem trivial. Only this time, they won’t have to make lies because the truth will be on their side.

    The tracking of the subplots that developed as a result of the Board Games investigation, has revealed a spider-web of corruption that spread from the Chicago Loop to O’Hare Airport to the Illinois Tollway, all the way to bid-rigging in Iraq, with Iraqi-born billionaire, Nadhmi Auchi, owner of General Mediterranean Holdings, a Luxemburg-based conglomerate with investments all over the world in everything from defense contractors to pharmaceuticals, at the center of many schemes.

    Part II of “Subplots of Operation Board Games” will cover those subplots.

    *************

  212. Neeta,
    What do you mean from Hill’s site? That site is called ‘Scoop”
    Christ, lengthy lengthy detailed piece (almost like Oppo Research!), gonna take me some time.

    Here’s the last paragraph;

    “The political mafia of Illinois now plans to move the Chicago brand of corruption to Washington in a U-Haul hooked up to their second choice candidate. Americans will never allow it to happen. They will either vote for McCain or not at all.

    If Obama becomes the nominee, the Republicans will unleash a non-stop expose of Obama in the mainstream media that will make the swift boat attacks against John Kerry seem trivial. Only this time, they won’t have to make lies because the truth will be on their side.

    The tracking of the subplots that developed as a result of the Board Games investigation, has revealed a spider-web of corruption that spread from the Chicago Loop to O’Hare Airport to the Illinois Tollway, all the way to bid-rigging in Iraq, with Iraqi-born billionaire, Nadhmi Auchi, owner of General Mediterranean Holdings, a Luxemburg-based conglomerate with investments all over the world in everything from defense contractors to pharmaceuticals, at the center of many schemes.

  213. We need to roll the dice and have a face up with Rezko on it! It is to close, we just need Rezko to come out! What blows my mind is that fox has not talked about Rezko nor has Hillarys supporters to the pundits. Do we have any that are going on the radio. Lets do it guys, lets blow out the ears on what we know about Obama!

  214. Hillary need to go all the way and don’t listen to the party elites and the pundits…that is propaganda and mindgames to get you to quit the race.

    If she quit the race, it will be hard for any female later on to be taken seriously because they will say they can’t stay the distance. They will drop out if it gets hard….blah, blah, blah.

    The media and Howard Dean wing is going to blame every thing on Hillary so she should stay on to the finish line.

    Donna Brazile and Howard Dean have not be gracious to her and her supporters…they believe in the NEW DEMOCRATIC COALITION that does not need Hillary supporters. We’re not making this up…Donna Brazile got on NATIONAL TV and stated it!!!

    All they care about his protecting “precious” but tearing down loyal democrats like Geraldine Ferraro and Pres. Bill Clinton…shameful.

  215. Blue, if she suspends her run, then the convention could pick its own candidate (Hillary, Gore, Edwards etc.) in the event an emergency crisis of such proportion (such as a very large scandal) also made him a non-candidate. If he refused to drop out it would be up to the delegates to decide his fate and successor if they gave him the boot. I think there are some precedents for this in earlier conventions. If she had not suspended her candidacy, if she could attract enough delegates, she would be the winner.

    This is why she should hang on until the last second in Denver. Why do any favors to those that hate your guts?

  216. Also NO man would quit with the delegate count she has…this is too close and so the only way to go is to the convention.

    Hillary need to STOP listening to the party elites that really doesn’t care a rats ass on her campaign.

    Americans don’t quit!!!

    She has need to go on….we’re talking about the President of the United States, not a president of Harvard.

    So, it’s on to the next primary and if the media want to crown Obama King so be it and I hope it will piss off the rest of America.

  217. linfar Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
    WOW. this is Big. Ijust figured it out. Obama has to suppress the votes in theupcoming primaries. He could lose the popular vote. that is why he is saying he willdeclare it is over. he is tryhing to take the wind out of the sails of her voters./

    And we need to get that word out, because phone bankers say voters are believing the spin. For those who don’t like phoning, we can use comments in sites run by local media. There’s a list of links at
    h t t p : / / ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm

  218. hi hillfans. good news on rep carney’s endorsement of hillary. but will big media trump it up like obama’s sd endorsements? noooo.

  219. Save yourself a headache and don’t watch the news…do anything else LIKE helping Hillary go all the way.

    I donate 100.44 this evening before midnight….Keep donating this is important…keep donating and calling for Hillary, every little bit helps.

  220. paddy4Hill,

    Thanks so much of that. There really is only one option if SD’s don’t come to their senses, Denver.

    Two if you want to count the Indy run.

    Shit, can you go Indy and come back after BO implodes?

    Cause that’d be a good one! 🙂

  221. Blue Democrat Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Can anyone tell me how we beat what many including Rove continue to describe as the endgame, namely the credentials committee at the convention where Dean has stacked around 25 loyalists in between basically even supporters for Bo & HRC.

    Doesn’t that mean we won’t get the nod on key decisions on MI & FLA, and doesn’t that mean Dean has to be taken down too?

    For one thiing, apparently that Cred Committee meeting doesn’t happen TILL the convention. Aiui, if the Rules Committed (50+ HIllary supporters) May 21 accepts the FL/MI delegations, then it’s in BO’s court ot challenge them again in August??? So those who want a nominee before August had better do some bargaining?

    Lately Dean and Brazile have been quoted as sounding a bit softer, so maybe they are starting to think about winning in Nov…. Many SD’s are holding out till August to see if Obama is even still out of jail….

  222. meanwhile-the world faces maor crises. while american msm is focused on trashing hillary lebanon appears headed for civil war. the pm of israel faces resignation and a govt in crisis. forieng minister livini would take the reigns-yes a woman. and not a peep in the israeli media about her being shrill. but nope-msm must bash hillary.

  223. Thanks A Lot 1950,

    I’m assuming Dean & Brazilla’s softer positions won’t include accepting what should be, and what I’m pretty sure Hill must demand;
    which is full seating of apportioned delegates in FLA and full counting of actual popular vote – meaning BO gets a big fucking goose egg for MI.
    Plus he should get penalized for violating FLA advertising rule.

    So in the absence of that, I guess there’s gonna be a fight in Denver.
    Fuck it, air it all out.

  224. Man, saw this on DKos in an Olberman post. But watching tonight’s replay, he named Wolfson as seeking a book deal.

    Wolfson denied the report, KO stuck by it.

  225. We need a momentum shifting event. Big wins in WV and KY and PR will help us! The popular vote will give us equal claim to the nomination.

    I noticed that May 20 is before PR. Why exactly is Obama afraid of voting in PR?

  226. Update

    I think the Larry Sinclair story is gaining traction in PR. True or False, its hurting him there. But does he fear a loss so huge, that it could devastating?

  227. We all know that Dean will not seat FL/MI unless he already has a promise from Hillary to drop out before Denver in his pocket. Then seating FL/MI becomes a moot point. That’s why the pressure on her to be a “good girl” and quit sooner than later “for the sake of Obama.”

    All the more reason for her not to call it quits sooner instead of later.

  228. Excerpt from the NYTimes:


    The most terrifying numbers for Democrats in Tuesday’s exit polls should be those showing how many of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters are planning to vote for Mr. McCain in November.

    In Indiana, only 49 percent of Clinton voters said they would cast votes for Mr. Obama in November if he were the nominee; in North Carolina, the figure was 47 percent. In both states, a majority of Mrs. Clinton’s supporters said that they would either vote for Mr. McCain or stay home.

  229. paddy,

    It’s been obvious from the start, they’ve left no choice but all-out war.

    Fuck it. It’s gametime. Let’s Go!

  230. Some may be disillusioned by the shenanigans from the Obama camp and the DNC. I first experienced as a young campaign worker for McGovern the emotional brutality of politics at the hands of the grand master of dirty campaigning himself, Tricky Dick Nixon. Nixon was not only the biggest crook, but also the smartest politician you could face. That guy would do anything, and I mean anything (like breaking into Watergate) to win.

    We had a popular saying that went like this “you don’t change dicks in the middle of a screw.” I was the head of my county’s YDC and the “elders” made us stop using it as a slogan. It didn’t matter. We lost just like Obama will lose this year if he is the nominee. No amount of enthusiasm from his young groupies, no amount of cash, could save McGovern. The GOP had a field day. We cried that sad in November as we watched the humiliating returns coming in. We really thought we would have built a world of eternal peace and harmony.

    I learned an important lesson that year. Extremists, no matter how grand the ideal is, can win Presidential elections in America. They are won in the middle. The next rime around I was involved in the Carter campaign who ran as a moderate. After a bruising nomination contest, in many ways worse than this one, we won and went on to capture the White House.

    Bill Clinton said that politics is a contact sport and it surely is. Hillary was saying before Iowa that if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. This all applies to us here and now. Sometimes this is not a lot of fun. Especially since the other side are neo-Nixons. But we need to keep going to prevent the Party from falling into the wrong hands. We are at a turning point in American history. The next few weeks will tell the tale. We must stay on target.

  231. mj

    If the FL and MI delegations are seated based on the january primaries the totals would be:

    PD SD Total
    Obama 1657.5 268 1925.5
    Clinton 1604.5 283.5 1888
    Edwards 32 — 32
    Uncomm. 55 — 55
    Remaining 217 298.5 515.5
    Updated 5/9/2008 Delegates Needed: 2208.5

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

  232. RealClearPolitics HorseRaceBlog
    By Jay Cost

    « How Obama Beat the Line | HorseRaceBlog Home Page
    May 09, 2008
    Not Quite Yet

    Elite opinion on the Democratic race has congealed around the idea that it is over. Clinton has no chance whatsoever to win the nomination now. There is a minority of analysts out there – maybe 5%, maybe even less – who see her path to the nomination as much narrower than it was four days ago, but who still see a path.

    I’m with the minority on this one. I think she is nearly finished, but not quite yet.

    As those who know me in personal life can attest, I am a contrarian. For better or worse, when I see everybody looking right, the first thought in my head is, “What’s over there on the left?” So, the following might just be a product of my contrarian instincts, but I have to say that I just can’t get to where most everybody is on this race.

    Two things are holding me back: West Virginia and Kentucky.

    The conventional wisdom has it that Clinton did herself major damage Tuesday night by getting blown out in North Carolina. I completely agree. This hurt her with the pledged delegate count. Much more important, I think, is that it hurt her with the popular vote count, which she must win to press an argument with the superdelegates.

    However, it is possible that she could counter Tuesday’s blowout with two big blowouts of her own in the next two weeks. This could undo most of the damage done by her big loss in North Carolina, and put her back on track.

    West Virginia is 95% white, and one of the poorest states in the nation. Demographically, Pennsylvania’s twelfth congressional district is a decent proxy of it. Clinton won Pennsylvania’s twelfth by 46 points. A recent Rasmussen survey put her up 29 points in the Mountaineer State, with 17% undecided. Another poll had her up 40 points, with Obama under 25%.

    Kentucky is not as poor or as white as West Virginia, but it is nearly so. Demographically, Kentucky falls somewhere between Ohio’s sixth congressional district, which went for Clinton by 45 points, and the seventeenth, which went for her by 28 points. A recent Survey USA poll of the Bluegrass State had her up 34 points – with a staggering 72 point lead in the east, where Obama was winning less than 20% of the vote. Rasmussen recently had her up 25 points with 13% undecided.

    Courtesy of the perspicacious Sean Oxendine, here’s a graphical representation of how Appalachia has performed. The deepest blue represents countywide Clinton victories of 30+.

    Appalachia.gif

    As Oxendine says in his analysis of Indiana and North Carolina: “Appalachia didn’t budge [on Tuesday]. She is going to absolutely blow him out of the water in West VA and KY.”

    So, here’s my question. What happens to “It’s Over” if Clinton pulls a 40-point victory in West Virginia on Tuesday, then follows it up a week later with a 30-point victory in Kentucky? If these states turn out in the same margins that states since March 4th have averaged, that would imply a net of about 290,000 votes for Clinton. That puts her within striking distance of a reasonable popular vote victory. “Over” will be over as we turn our attention to Puerto Rico.

    There are good reasons not to take Puerto Rico lightly, even though the press has continued to do exactly that. I would note: (a) Puerto Ricans vote in large numbers (2 million in the last gubernatorial election); (b) Puerto Ricans have never had this important a role in United States presidential politics; (c) Puerto Rico’s politics is focused at least partially on how (if at all) to adjust its relationship with the United States; (d) Puerto Rico’s is an open primary, and the residents of the Commonwealth, who are United States citizens, do not see themselves as Republicans or Democrats.

    The inference I draw is that Puerto Ricans could turn out in huge numbers. If they do, and they swing for Clinton in a sizeable way, the popular vote lead could swing, too. Add 290,000 votes from West Virginia and Kentucky to 250,000 votes from Puerto Rico, account for expected losses in Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota, and you get Clinton leading in many popular vote counts, some of which are really quite valid. If she has one of those leads when the final votes are counted on June 3rd, the race will go on to the convention.

    Am I predicting that all of this will happen? No. That would be quite presumptuous. The problem is not that any of these incidents is individually unlikely. It is not unlikely that Clinton will get a huge victory in Kentucky, West Virginia, or Puerto Rico. Theoretically, I would wager at least one of the three will happen. The problem is that she has to do all three. What’s more, she has to keep it competitive in Oregon (just how competitive depends on her margins in the other states). That’s a tall order – four big things to do with no margin for error. I’d never predict that she could do all four. I may be a contrarian, but I am not an idiot!

    Her biggest impediment might be the development (finally!) of some momentum. With the crush of stories touting the end of the race, will her vote be depressed in Kentucky and West Virginia? I doubt her voters would actually go for Obama – but they might stay home, thus diminishing both her overall margin of victory and/or her net vote score. Incidentally, I did find some good news for Clinton: finals week at WVU ends on Saturday.

    My point is that those in the media who are declaring this race to be over are necessarily predicting that she can’t do all of this. That’s a conclusion I can’t go along with. It’s quite unlikely, but it is still possible – and it is more possible than the “Obama might have a meltdown” scenario.

    Minimally, I will predict that West Virginia will be either her best or her second best finish, behind only Arkansas. Kentucky should come in right behind the two. This alone should be enough to induce some caution. I think it is too hasty to declare her finished just days before two of her three best states.

    Am I on to something here, or is this merely my contrarian streak running amok? I’ll let you decide. In fact, I’ll help you make an informed decision! I have updated my vote spreadsheet to include all contests through Tuesday. I encourage you to play around with the numbers yourself. Follow this link to Predict the Race for Yourself, Version 2.0.

    At the time of its initial publication, I had not put much thought into Clinton’s vote margins in Kentucky and West Virginia. I merely used the results from Tennessee as a rough baseline. I think this was a bit naïve, given what we now know about the white vote in Appalachia. So, those numbers have been updated. I also updated the turnout projections, based on new data. Once again, you can adjust these figures however you like.

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  233. Everyone who is discouraged please read the article I posted from rcp. Its quite possible we can still win the popular vote!

  234. i think there is a chance of taking don brazille with this new email out. noquarter-
    Someone, Take Donna’s Blackberry Away from Her
    By SusanUnPCcloseAuthor: SusanUnPC Name:
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site: http://noquarterusa.net/
    About: See Authors Posts (891) on May 9, 2008 at 2:58 AM in Barack Obama, DNC, Donna Brazile, Electability, Electoral College, Elitism, Hillary Clinton

    Thousands are calling for her resignation. Thousands more are wondering if she’s off her meds (or needs to be ON some meds). What I WANT TO KNOW is WHAT IN THE HELL the poor saps like us who donate to the Democratic party are paying this woman? (I actually searched for information today on what Donna Brazile is paid by the DNC, but was unable to find any financial statements. If any of you can, please find it and share it with us.)

    There’s a sweet soul who has a lovely little blog, Little Isis, who had the temerity to write to Miss Donna Brazile. Her polite note included:

    Hi Donna!!!!
    I am emailing you on behalf of many people. I am, as you may know, a Hillary Clinton Supporter. You have probably gotten a lot of emails from her supporters, and I understand from the blogs I often frequent that you have responded to many of them.
    I want you to know that I read bits and pieces of your autobiography, Cooking With Grease, and thought it was wonderful and well written. I came to understand from your book and from a lot of what I have witnessed in this election cycle that to simply put groups of people in Demographics and Exit polls is a misunderstanding of both America and the Democratic Party. …

    The rest of her letter to Donna Brazile was similarly polite, kindly, and complimentary. She signed it, “respectfully, A young female voter from Ohio.” THIS is the response this young Democrat received:

    Thanks Natalie,
    As of today, I am not going to respond to any more anti American, Anti Democratic emails. Have a nice day.
    I am sorry because you are sincere, but the Hillary forces are uncivil, repugnant and vile. When you come up for air and would like to email a person who cares about America and not just a personality, I will respond.
    Thanks for your time and your interest.
    Donna

    What can one say?

    Well, leave it to the very earnest and polite LittleIsis to write a rational response to her blog’s readers:

    I kid you not. That was her reply. This is DNC leadership. A Superdelegate and a person responsible for seating Florida and Michigan. Is this normal behavior for party leadership? I must say that I’m somewhat confused. And if anyone can tell me how my letter to her was “Anti-American” and “Anti-Democratic” and how I supposedly “don’t care about America” because I urged her to count the votes in two swing states, please let me know. I’m dying to figure out how counting votes is “Anti-American” and “Anti-Democratic”.

    I would urge everyone not to try and email her anymore. She is beyond rationality at this point. And I would also urge everyone who did have exchanges with her to contact the DNC about this and also to send what she wrote back to every media outlet you possibly can. She clearly is incredibly unprofessional, and it alarms me that she is in the position she is in right now.

    You may share your opinions with Little Isis.

    I can think of what I might like to write. But here are some samples from her blog:

    I know there’s not many outlets that are at least fair to Hillary, but have you considered sending this to them? Maybe Dobbs or Morning Joe? Sad you have to go to Repubs for fair coverage. – Marc

    Like Marc, MANY of us have found the most respectful, objective, and rational commentaries to have come from Republicans and/or conservatives like Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.

    We find ourselves, more and more, watching Fox News because at least there’s SOME chance that Hillary Clinton will be treated with dignity and respect. And because Fox News is truly more “fair and balanced” than CNN and vastly moreso than MSNBO.

    Suzy wrote:

    This is a great illustration why the Democratic Party is going to fail. What was she talking about? People like brazile could care less about what mainstream Democrats think. Her opinion is biased and not worth listening to any longer. She is one of the many reasons long time Democrats will not vote for Obama and he will not win in November, if nominated. The obama apostles like brazile will scream racism but they need to look at themselves.

    We all know that Suzy is correct. We’re already used to being called racists, a terrible misuse of a very important term.

    We’re astonished that the Democratic party, at a singular time when it could nominate a person who would make a great president, would instead choose a highly inexperienced candidate who has run largely on empty rhetoric and a mesmerizing marketing strategy designed to make people swoon, not think.

    Then there is the more, um, blunt response — with which I can also empathize:

    Donna Brazile is a disgusting lecherous troll maggot douchebag barf hag scumbag who, like her new errand boy, Barack Obama, only cares about her own personal aggrandizement. You wrote a very well though out letter that was empathic, and sincere. The fact that she shit all over you is proof that we are better of destroying the Democratic Party than ever supporting Barack Obama.

    Don’t let that hag get you down!

    Rude and crude as it is, this response also speaks to the utter DISGUST we are feeling here.

    A THOUGHT OR TWO:

    It was bad enough, during the years of the Bush presidency, to feel like we were powerless to stop a war, to preserve Constitutional rights and guarantees, to protect our nation’s military viability, to give any attention to the massive needs in our own country — from our environmental peril to our crumbling infrastructure to our growing number of impoverished low-wage or unemployed people to our completely unfair health care system.

    But now we have to feel powerless because a DNC bureaucracy doesn’t give a damn what we think? Doesn’t pay attention to the inability of its Chosen One to win the major electoral college states required to win the presidency? Doesn’t care that its Chosen One hasn’t the experience or the work ethic to truly make a difference should he, by some miracle, be elected? Doesn’t seem to realize that it is nearly guaranteeing the election of John McCain as the next president?

    At least when we felt powerless during the Bush years, we had a enemy we could comprehend rationally. But now our enemy is the party that was supposed to be on OUR side.

    I’m dumfounded. I’m confused. I’m upset.

    But I’m not going to shut up. And the very best thing is that I know you aren’t either.

  235. I don’t want to put any pressure on the people of KY and WV, but we need route like victories as Jay Cost suggested of 30 to 40 points to get the msm to reexamine the status of this race.

  236. Thanks so much warehouse. Just what the doctor ordered! Down but not out. That’s us. But we are used to it by now, aren’t we? We have been there before and are still (politically) alive to tell the tale!

    I can just imagine the tales some of you will be telling your grandchildren someday. “Tell us about that campaign you were involved in that helped made Hillary Clinton our greatest American President” they will ask. “Well, let me tell you. It was just about over. Things were looking pretty bleak…….”

  237. paddy4hill:

    Reading your comment (as well as other seasoned campaigners/those in the know), it heartens me to realize that many of my thoughts about the shenanigans occurring are well-founded. Although as a middle-aged white female in a predominantly AA Democratic county in (crooked caucus Republican-leaning) Texas, as you can tell this whole mess has me waking up in the middle of the night with complete bewilderment. (Can’t imagine how the Clinton camp is managing to even get in a nap.)

    Can’t really say by now that anything surprises me as far as Big Media is concerned in them already calling this election, following the gender-bashing that has occurrred on a minute-by-minute basis. What has surprised me, however, is the lack of depth of character in the majority of elected officials.

    To know that they realize the dangerous associations linked to BHO, yet still promote his thuggish, blackmailing Chicago-style politics and threatens every single constituent they were elected to represent is reprehensible. Their allegiance is to the vulnerable electorate that put them in office to protect their interests. How dare they put lining their own pockets and desire to be “on-board” before the “train leaves” ahead of the citizens of their districts or state.

    I always found it truly amazing that struggling wannabes backed the Wall Street Republican regime, the very ones that exploited them. I have to say at this juncture however, that this “New Democratic Party” and their elitistism that Donna Brazile has outlined trumps their old foes. The fact that by far the majority of this country – let’s just say it – the WHITE working middle-class – is the nucleus and the backbone that drives this entire economy – is being disenfranchised by the both political parties, is what is setting off my alarm in the middle of the night.

    The party that the white working-class helped create – the Democratic Party – has thrown them overboard, as much as also declaring that Baby Boomers, women (the largest voting block) are yesterday’s news. What Greatest Generation? NEXT!

    The “New Democratic Party” is a communist, Marxist regime. Continuing to exploit the African-American population (under the guise of inclusion a la Farrakhan Nation of Islam and Wright’s Black Liberation Theology), while mesmerizing the vulnerable, impressionable youth with Utopian rhetoric – this is the greatest fraud and travesty of all. The far-left fringe 60’s flower children trying to recapture Ayers’ “Woodstock” heyday (Gore, celebrities and latte-liberals) have become their standard-bearers.

    So – I ask you (at the risk of sounding like Lou Dobbs), if this is not the time for the EMERGENCE of a SERIOUS INDEPENDENT PARTY – WHEN IS IT?

    Others have half-jokingly mentioned Hillary Clinton running as an Independent, but I am DEAD SERIOUS.
    She is the only candidate that comes close to representing moderate, mainstream American ideals.

    Obviously, there are many bloggers on this site who have experience in the political spectre. If there is no way any longer to identify what we “knew” as the Democratic Party – then are we witnessing the title of Hillary’s bio? Wouldn’t it be poetic justice to have the “Living History” legacy of Hillary Clinton to finally be THE ONE to CREATE the first VIABLE third party in the United States of America? Who better to do it than our present-day Carrie Nation? There is NO DOUBT in my mind that this would not be seen as some half-baked Nadar, Perot, Paul fluke. MILLIONS OF DISENFRANCHISED MODERATE AMERICANS FROM EVERY DEMOCRATIC DEMOGRAPHIC WOULD BE ON BOARD – MAKE NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

    So, what the hell are we waiting for, if this is not OUR TIME – and OUR FIERCE URGENCY OF NOW?

  238. Jay Cost’s article should be required reading in every publication throughout WV and KY. Her campaign needs to MAKE A POINT of distributing the article themselves as fliers by the hundreds of thousands if need be. One thing the proud people of WV and KY surely will be able to see through is the “bamboozling” of BHO’s paid media hype. Hillary needs to directly appeal in 30-minute soundbites, looking directly into the camera that she needs a huge turnout to continue to fight for them and this country. They will appreciate her honesty and direct address to them. Since her “colleagues” have made the decision that she must stay positive and not go negative on BHO from this point on (in order to protect their little Precious), she only needs to infer that she is looking to them for the ultimate, all-time Rocky comeback in the LARGEST, SINGLE VOTE in their state’s histories.

  239. curiosity, you certainly raise many good points. I think that globalization is reshaping many aspects of life all over the world, including the USA. The political system will reflect these changes, as it should, hence the current difficulties. Many Americans are very frightened by the rapid changes. Some are having what might be called a “conservative reaction” and others, a more radical left “Obama reaction.” There is little space for the political center it seems. This reflects our own attempt to come to grips with the issues that globalization has lain at our doorstep. Maybe while radical-Islam was one cultural response, the Obama phenomena is ours.

    Obama’s followers don’t seem to be too interested in electability, credibility, and lots of other normal aspects of a presidential campaign. They feel they have a message, some holy task they must fulfill to make the world somehow better. If you do some historical research, you will find this kind of idealism was also present in the communist and fascist movements of the last century. These were also reactions to rapid changes in societies. This could be nothing but a political ploy by Obama to take the presidency, or it could be the start of something worse. Only time can answer this question.

    Your ideas about a Third party are shared by many, including myself. Unfortunately, ever since Thomas Jefferson’s time, we have lived within a two party system. We are a highly structured multi-tiered republic with a first past the post voting system and not a parliamentary democracy. It may not be that easy to have a Third Party unless that Party can put another out of business, like the Whigs did to the Federalists and the Republicans did to the Whigs. Hence starting a new Party that has as its goal to replace one of the others might be more feasible. In the meantime, if Hillary goes down with the count, (which to be quite honest I still think she won’t), the GOP would be smart to move to the center to capture the moderate vote and work hard to keep them by reducing the power of the hawks and religious right. But they have their own problems, don’t they? And that is another story.

  240. Those who won by securing the vote of the white middle class

    Cooledge-a car in every garage, a chicken in every pot (expanding the growing middle class)
    (Hoover lost these voters for the GOP by not doing anything to help the middle class in the depression)
    FDR/Truman- The New Deal
    LJB-Great Society (expanding the middle class to include non-whites)
    Nixon- The Silent Majority
    Reagan-Reagan Democrats
    Clinton-The Third Way (took back from GOP middle class voter)

    Middle class voters are now up for grabs Who wants them? Hillary does.

  241. my letter to Eugene Robinson: eugenerobinson@washpost.com

    good morning, Mr. Robinson

    The DNC has many dangers:

    I. Obama

    Obama has an intrinsic lack of moral judgment.
    #1.

    He has befriended a slumlord, Rezko, for 17 + years; Rezko will soon be in prison.
    Without Rita Rezko, Obama would not have/could not have bought his mansion.
    You’re a bright, African American gentleman.

    Why aren’t you upset about Obama ignoring the plight of the poor whites and blacks in
    the eleven slum projects Rezko had in Obama’s senatorial district?

    I knew about Rezko before Iowa – but I read; the electorate doesn’t.
    Moreover, MSM protected the public from knowledge of Rezko until Obama racked up 10 wins.

    #2.

    He befriended Wright –
    He should never have joined the church.
    Wright with his anti-white, anti-semitic friend Farrakhan visited Kadafi in Tripoli in 1984.
    The press from Blitzer to Russert to Olbermann protected the public from that knowledge.
    The Trinity United Church of Christ put an op ed piece, favorable to Hamas, in their newsletter.
    Obama listened to these anti-white, anti-semitic paranoid rants for 20 years.

    #3.

    He befriended two weathermen: William Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn for 20 + years,
    longer than he knew Wright.
    His first fund raiser was at Ayers’s home, a man who in Fugitive Days, admits to blowing up
    bombs in the Capitol in the Pentagon and blowing up a NYC police station;
    of course, he weasels, pretending its a “memoir” but he is a violent American terrorist.
    He served with Ayers on the Woods Foundation board after 9/11.
    Ayers appointed Obama to another board, the Chicago Annenburg board for education.
    Obama accepted.

    And Hillary is the problem?

    Obama has atrocious moral judgment and a weakness for not standing up to:
    slumlords, hate mongerers and violent American terrorists.

    If Hillary had any 20 year associations to such disreputable people,
    Chris Mathews would be trumpeting his disdain/disapproval from the his pulpit.

    Obama is obviously the biggest, most dangerous problem facing the DNC.
    Having chosen to befriend Rezko, Wright, Ayers and Dorhn for 20 years,
    whom would Obama choose for his cabinet, for his judges?

    Who would come walking through the White House doors for a state diner?
    How about Rashid Khalidi? How about Malik Zulu Shabazz? How about Emil Jones?
    I swear I know more about Obama than Mathews or Russert or Blitzer or Olbermann.

    And Hillary is the problem? She is one of the great people of our times.

    Do you journalists know about these men: Khalidi, Shabazz, Jones et ala?
    Why do none of you report on them on national TV?

    JonnyB

  242. Morning gang,

    Good news from Hillary Rapid Responders:

    U.S. Rep. Chris Carney announced Thursday that he’s backing Hillary Clinton in the presidential primary

    Carney reported meeting with Clinton Wednesday, “and let her know Thursday that I am supporting her.”

    “I have watched this primary process very closely, and as I said I would do, I have weighed the temperament and leadership displayed by Sens. Clinton and Obama during the course of this campaign,” Carney said in a statement. “We are extremely fortunate to have two very strong candidates vying to lead our nation. Pennsylvania’s 10th (Congressional) District (voters) overwhelmingly chose Sen. Clinton in the Pennsylvania primary and I will respect their decision.”

    Rebecca Gale, his press secretary, said he was traveling with a congressional delegation to the U.S-Mexico border to evaluate border security and unavailable for comment.

    A full story will be available in Friday’s print edition of The Daily Review.

  243. The current news cylcle BS is just that-BS!

    Hillary is the most experienced and personable candidate out there. So she said what everyone on the news has been saying for the past 3 weeks. Obama has not broken through to white working class people.

    It is simply a fact of life. Kinda like, if you hang out with terrorists and anti-American Pastors and call white working class people “bitter” and clinging to guns and religion, you are considered to have bad judgement. Or maybe you are just an obnoxious a$$.

    Either way you slice it, it is a recipe for getting yourself reviled.

    Hillary is strong confident and proud.

    She WILL prevail.

  244. I’m in till the last dawg dies. She’s the most extraordinary candidate to every grace the stage. Whatever decision she makes, I’ll stick. However, I can’t go along with a vote for Obama at any time.

    Compare the two candidates and it is easy to see why she outpaces him, outshines him and is simply brilliant.

    To vote for less would be beyond dignity.

    For me its Hillary or nobody .. I’ve come to the conclusion that I think I’ll stay home or go 3rd party if she’s not there.

  245. GOOD MORNING!
    GOOD MORNING!
    Haven’t finished reading the entire thread yet but ON WE GO! HRC is in it to the end! She is doing the right thing! Even Lannie Davis said yesterday that he’s known her since she was at Yale and he has never seen her so SERENE, so CALM, so absolutely convinced she is doing the right thing.

    And she is. She has to go on and continue the battle, no matter what the outcome. She’s a modern day Queen Boudica, the Celtic warrior Queen who single-handedly untied the Celtic tribes to fight against the Romans and d@mn near succeeded.

    HRC has to continue the battle because it is the only morally right thing to do. She knows this. She ain’t going NOWHERE except to 1700 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE!

    No matter what the media, Waffles, Axelgrease, The Pope of Martha’s Vineyard, Deaniac, Horseface, Bradzilla, Clayface, Pointy Chin, Tweetie, Pumpkinhead, Ogreman, Cadaverdy and Dickie-boy-Odinga-Waffles-cousin’s-Advisor-Morris says, she’s going on and she’s gonna WIN!

    It may be as a Democratic nominee, it may be as an Independent, but she’s going to win.

    As a matter of fact, she already has won. And so has everyone who supports her.

    BTW- PADDY – I’m a SHE! 😀

  246. I am military working with right wing civilians and now these guys, many of whom were downsized out of the Army during the Clinton Administration, now have a healthy amount of respect for HRC. They see a champion on the other team that they know they will be able to count on if both teams get threatened. It is like Gilgamesh and Enkidu or Goku and Vegeta.

    They like the fire they see in her eyes. They like the spunk. They are cautious, but they know that she’ll come to their rescue.

    We don’t even know who Barack Obama is-except that he is a jacka$$.

    Hillary Clinton will win!

  247. “Extremists, no matter how grand the ideal is, can win Presidential elections in America. They are won in the middle. ”

    As most of you have already figured out, in my earlier post, it should have read “Extremists, no matter how grand the ideal is, can not win Presidential elections in America. They are won in the middle.”

    Excuse the omission.

  248. CARBYNEW,

    My thought for you and your husband. Please let us know how he and you are doing.

  249. HRC is bringing people together, not creating divisions like Robot Obama. HRC crosses party lines to get National Guard and Reservists health care.

    Robot Obama needlessly insults our allies and threatens to put more soldier in harm’s way by taking soft stance against terror.

    The Quds force is a terrorist organization Mr. Obama. They sell weapons to insurgents that blow people like me into tiny bits. Or worse into large enough chunks that we survive as wrecked versions of who we used to be. This is a reality Mr. Obama. Hillary was right to vote for it and you show your contempt for those who serve with your questionable politics.

  250. Curiosity:”… it heartens me to realize that many of my thoughts about the shenanigans occurring are well-founded.”

    Many of the general public know it too. They just don’t have a voice in the big media news stations.

    In one particular newspaper, I noticed it has had stories about the election probably everyday (biased toward obama of course). The comments always end of being 98% obama favored. I thought that was strange but then realized that Hillary supporters don’t even bother to comment anymore because of the onslaught…

    BUT when there was a vote (that did not allow cheating) as to whether Hillary should drop out of the race, 60-65% of the people said NO!

    That’s right, when Hillary supporters are not bullied out of comments and there is a no cheating vote, we see over 60% of the people want Hillary to continue on (which probably means win also).

    People are not blind to the embarrassing displays yesterday by media to push Obama to the forefront. They just have no place to voice it.

  251. Everybody?

    Thank you~ I am ready to fight. I need some suggestions for signs, I’m heading to WV!!!!!!!!!

    Please, I need few words with impact for HONK FOR HILLARY.

    I want the theme to be working class, WV has the POWER!! Help me put into few words how we can fully convey she’s still in it and we need the votes.

  252. The Democratic Party is DEAD.
    HRC has to go on. If she were to drop out now, what do you think that would do to the millions who have supported her?
    They would either vote for McCain or stay home. In either case, the Dems would lose the GE. The only way for Dems to retake the WH is with Hillary at the top of the ticket.
    During my WVa. calls yesterday, 2 white men (I could tell by their accents) lamented that if only HRC had gone on Bill-O earlier she would have reached a HUGE audience filled with people like themselves: gun-owners, hunters, typical white Americans. Both were Independents. One said he would vote for HRC, the other said he thought it was a pointless disposal of a vote. I convinced the second guy that his vote mattered and he pledged to pull the lever for HRC on Tuesday.

    Critical Mass has been reached. There is no turning back. She will, she must press on. 😀 😀 😀

  253. Basil? Were you the one that was shy about making calls?? hahahahaha….see? it’s awesome!

  254. johnnyb

    Unfortunately, Eugene Robinson and many AA are, like Bob Johnson stated, so emotionally attached to the idea of having the first black president elected that he can’t see straight.

    To him any impediment is probably seen as a form of bigotry and Obama is playing their hearts out!

  255. This letter is too long and is not well suited for its intended purpose. Nevertheless it conveys many of the realities of this election and I post it for that reason in case you are interested.
    ——————————————————————
    Dear-

    As you consider the merits of question of who should be the standard bearer for our party in the critical 2008 election for President, I urge you to consider which of the two candidates can: 1) unite our party, 2) win the general election and 3) govern in a way that will begin to solve our domestic and international problems.

    1. Unite The Party: Senator Clinton is the only candidate who can unite our party. She enjoys strong support with the “traditional base” which consists of Working Class Whites, Latinos, Asians, Women, Seniors, and Swing voters. By contrast, her opponent has shown utter contempt for working class whites through his relationship with Reverend Wright, his bitters comments, and his willingness to play the race card against innocent people (See Race Man by Professor Sean Wilentz). Consequently, if Obama is the nominee then recent polls indicate 50% of her base will not support him, and more ominously 27% will vote for McCain. He can promise policies tailored to their needs but they will never ever trust him. They know when the chips are down he will throw them under the bus. The widespread election fraud perpetrated by his campaign across the caucuses and most recently in Gary, and other locales in Indiana this week corroborates this viewpoint. In the final analysis, Hillary supporters understand this in ways others do not that he is a product of the Illinois Combine now seeking to go nationwide.

    By contrast, African Americans who have opted for Obama on the presumptive basis of race whether by volition or under duress are likely to support Senator Clinton if she is the nominee. After all, she has substantial ties to that community, prominent leaders therein support her, and come what may they will never defect to the Republican Party. Unfortunately, their expectations have been raised to stratospheric heights by an utterly corrupt media and they will be feel betrayed if he is not the nominee. Furthermore, racial provocateurs like Doug Wilder and Jessie Jackson III have laid the kindling wood and struck the match with predictions of race riots if he is not chosen. Bad as that is it is far more perilous to the country to succumb to their protection racket and nominate a dangerously inexperienced candidate to the most important position in the world at a critical moment in our history. That would be a betrayal of the American people as a whole. Quite simply, there are other ways to deal with these expectations that do not jeopardize the fate and future of country.

    2. Win The Election: if we nominate Senator Clinton then we will win the election and it is equally clear that if we nominate her opponent then we will lose. It is clear from polling data that she would defeat McCain in major states by a 7% margin if the election were held today. The same cannot be said of her opponent. She has the foreign policy background and understanding of military affairs required to stand up to McCain and thirty-five flag officers have endorsed her. The same cannot be said for her opponent. What is more, she has a distinct advantage over McCain when it comes to domestic policy on health care, education, and the dynamics of our economy. The same cannot be said for her opponent. Nor is she afraid to debate an adversary one on one– unlike her opponent. Finally, she has been an advocate for full enfranchisement of Michigan and Florida voters and giving the remaining states an opportunity to vote, whereas he has supported their disenfranchisement on both fronts so long as it advances his candidacy. Simply put the American People are not part of his governing coalition, any more than the grass roots organizers who fought for him in California and were awarded delegate positions will be going to the Convention in Denver since he replaced them with his real governing coalition of plutocrats and their girlfriends. These elites are taking over the party and he is the one they have been waiting for.

    Significantly, in this primary season she won the large electoral vote rich states we must win in the general election, and he did not. If the Democratic Party had the same rules as the Republican Party she would already be the nominee. That is clear evidence that she is the stronger candidate for November and it is all the more remarkable give his big media support and 3 to 1 fundraising advantage. She has been fully vetted by the media whereas he has not. The Republican Party is rumored to have more damaging material on Obama which has been withheld to date for tactical reasons. If that is true then the ripple effect will be felt by all members of the party. It will drag down Democratic candidates in congressional elections and doom our hopes to win the White House.

    We must also realize that women of mature judgment have been deeply offended by the way elite media has tried to destroy Hillary and deify her opponent. The public statements by corrupt nbc/msnbc pundits and their female camp followers are larded with sexism and reveal an organization which is misogynistic to the core. They impute that offense to Obama because he is its beneficiary, has made condescending statements of his own, and is in league with that network in ways that everyone from Media Matters to Saturday Night Live have recognized and commented upon. The latest example of deification is CNN’s two hour coverage of his march into the House of Representatives, and his staged reenactment of self coronation by Napoleon as congressmen touched his garment swooned and fainted. This spectacle leaves only one inconsequential question: if women and working class voters are not bamboozled by these theatrics, and fear that he is a man looking for a balcony who could become a threat to our democracy if he is given that much power then how can we ever hope to win the election if he is our nominee? Obama would decry this as racist since that will be his affirmative defense to every critical inquiry. It will legitimatize that tactic in the African American community as well, and working class whites abandoned by their own govenment will be in no frame of mind to put up with it.

    It has been suggested that some superdelegates would prefer to lose the White House than incur the wrath of the African American community. If so then that is a cowardly act, because if we do not regain the White House then the policies of the Bush Administration will continue for the next four years. In that case our current problems with respect to Iraq, the economy and the Supreme Court may reach a grand climeractic. It has also been intimated that he is a cash cow who will dole out money to their congressional campaigns from his own fundraising largesse and for that some are willing to say hail Caesar. But this is an illusory promise because when we get past the election season the money will dry up, except for what he is able to raise in exchange for access and influence e.g. Ecelon. And when his actions in government do not quite measure up to his soaring elevating empowering inspiring magnificent transcendent therapeutic self actualizing second coming of christ rhetoric then fundraising will alas dry up.

    3. Govern Effectively : Senator Clinton has the vision, experience and moral courage to govern effectively. Her understanding of our problems and their solutions is obvious to anyone who pays attention. She has solid experience at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue and she knows how to operate in a competitive political environment. As a result, she can deliver what she promises because she knows how to get things done. Finally, she has the moral courage to speak truth to power and to fight on behalf of the American people. This can be seen in her refusal to be counted out in this campaign, despite media opposition, DNC intrigue and money shortages. Quite simply, Hillary Rodham Clinton is a remarkable leader and it is vitally important to the future of our country that she be our nominee for President. Her first loyalty is to the people of this country and she has labored long and hard on their behalf. By contrast Obama’s main loyalty is to himself. He would flounder as President in the same ways that Deval Patrick has in Massachusetts. His mantra would be speeches as opposed to governance. He claims he will hire people to run the country and then demonstates terrible personal judgment on who he associates with. It is a fools errand to entrust the future of this county to the likes of Barack Obama. If we do so it is a decision posterity will regret.

  256. Hey Basil, I wanted to say hello before I sign out for the evening. Two things, it was you who was reading 1984, right? Or am I confusing you with someone else? Also, I may have mistakenly referred to you as a he instead of a she in one of my posts. It doesn’t matter if I know or not, but if I wrote incorrectly, please don’t mind. There are worse things than being called a male (I think).

    Hope your health is good.

  257. good morning everyone. Hope family in WV gets to go see the bigdawg and report back.

    I am slowly winding down, hoping for the best, in my heart knowing what a loss for the country a Presidency without Hillary.

    I know I could never in good faith vote for waffles. That I do know .. the rest will come to me I suppose in due time.

    I pledge now to never get emotionally vested again. Of course I said that when Edwards was running 04 too . but I did not take it near as hard in my heart as I am right now. I just think Hillary has so much to offer

  258. DiFi’s Doubts about Clinton Candidacy Assuaged With a Phone Call
    by Aaron Bruns

    WASHINGTON – Looks like CA Senator Dianne Feinstein is back in the Hillary fold. Yesterday, the Clinton supporter indicated that she might be wavering — telling Fox Senate producer Trish Turner that she’s a loyal person, but that “I don’t want to rip the party asunder.”

    Her concern? “On this one, the key is really in the strategy and whether the strategy is workable,” she said. But Turner reports that, after receiving a phone call from Senator Clinton this morning, Feinstein felt her questions were answered.

    “I’m sticking with her, absolutely,” she said. The strategy Clinton laid out for her? “To win.”

    Feinstein said she didn’t give Clinton any advice on how to go forward, mostly because it didn’t seem as though she needed any. “She feels intense support from her people. She is persevering. She is very collected. She is very determined. She is really together,” said Feinstein. “And she’s going to make the decision if the time comes. She doesn’t believe its the time. And she’s going to continue on.

    “Her strategy is to win this election. And she’s entitled to her opportunity to try.”

    But Clinton also told Feinstein that she would do nothing that she feels would harm the party.

  259. Hillary Makes her Case: I’ll Win Swing Voters
    by Aaron Bruns

    CHARLESTON, WV – Hillary Clinton laid out her increasingly rocky path to the nomination in three parts at the statehouse in Charleston today : win big in upcoming contests, seat delegates from Florida and Michigan, and make the case that she’s the most electable candidate against John McCain.

    To do that, she’s eschewed attacks on Senator Obama in favor of arguments on why she’s better equipped to bring in swing voters (or, as she put it more bluntly in an interview with USA Today, white voters) that Democrats need to win in the fall.

    “The delegate math might be complicated, but the electoral math is easy. We need 270 electoral votes to win in November,” she said. “I’m building such a strong and broad coalition among the states and voters we must have to deliver the White House.”

    “I’m winning Catholic voters and Hispanic voters and blue collar workers and seniors, the kind of people that Sen McCain will be fighting for in the general election,” she said. “My campaign is winning swing states. Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arkansas, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, and yes, Michigan and Florida.”

    That brought Sen Clinton to phase two — seating the two penalized swing states. “I’ve been working hard to make sure that the votes in Michigan and Florida are counted, because we can’t afford to give up on those two key states in November,” she said. To that end, she sent a letter to Sen Obama challenging him to work to honor those votes, writing “your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated.”

    Finally, Clinton made it clear that she doesn’t just need to win West Virginia — she needs to win it big. “West Virginia is a test,” she said. “It’s a test for me and it’s a test for Sen Obama. Because for too long, we have let places like West Virginia slip out of the Democratic column.”

    “I’m doing well here, but I want to do really well,” she said. “I want to make it clear that we are going to win West Virginia in the fall, because we need to bring back hard working people to the Democratic party.

    Check out the Clinton campaign’s memo on their path forward below.

    THE PATH FORWARD

    The path forward toward the nomination – and a victory in November – involves the following core elements:

    * Doing well in upcoming contests: Hillary is positioned to do well in the upcoming contests. The next important contest is West Virginia – a critically important, key swing state in November. The campaign is going to set out over the next several days to demonstrate real strength in West Virginia and show that we can win the kind of state that Democrats have traditionally done well in, but have not done well in over the last several election cycles. Hillary has predicted that if she is the nominee, she will win West Virginia in November. Over the next week, she will demonstrate how she will accomplish that victory.

    * Seating of delegations from Florida & Michigan: The campaign believes that Florida and Michigan should be seated at the convention. This is not going to be a convention of only 48 delegations – this is a country of 50 states and it should be a convention of 50 state delegations. Every state should be represented. Hillary won significant victories in both Florida and Michigan and the delegations from those states ought to be seated, commensurate with the results from those primaries, and it is our hope and our expectation that that will happen.

    * Making the electability case: Hillary is a better match-up against Sen. McCain than Sen. Obama. The fact that Hillary has won competitive contests against Sen. Obama in key swing states – like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Florida – suggests that Hillary will be a stronger nominee against Sen. McCain in those states. In fact, Hillary currently runs ahead of Sen. Obama vis-a-vis Sen. McCain in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida – all of which are critical states to any Democrat running in November.

    * Hillary’s proven ability to win blue-collar and working-class votes in primary after primary also suggests that she would be the stronger nominee against Sen. McCain. Those are key swing votes that any Democrat would need to win in order to beat Sen. McCain. Hillary has proven that she can do that. Sen. Obama has not yet proven that he can win the key swing states, nor has he proven that he can win the votes of blue-collar workers.

  260. “I pledge now to never get emotionally vested again.”

    Maybe you got vested because you love your country.

  261. Paddy,

    Yup, I’m rereading 1984.

    And double-yup, I’m a she.

    I find it fascinating that it’s so hard to tell a person’s gender just by reading their posts. That was my only point; that when you’re READING a person’ thoughts instead of hearing, seeing, listening to them, it turns out we ARE all the same. Gender, race, ethnicity, age, sexual preferences magically fade away. Isn’t that fantastic!! 😀

    And I don’t caree

  262. May 9, 2008
    Clinton calls for debate in Oregon
    Posted: 09:00 AM ET

    CENTRAL POINT, Oregon (CNN) – Campaigning in her third state of the day on Thursday, Hillary Clinton again called for a debate with Barack Obama, arguing that many of the issues faced in Oregon are not the same as the rest of the country.

    “The problems in Oregon are not the same as the problems in Indiana. They’re not the same as the problems in Pennsylvania,” Clinton told several hundred supporters at a nighttime rally.”

    “…That’s why I was pleased to accept the invitation from the Democratic Party of Oregon to debate my opponent,” Clinton continued, pointing out that they would both be in Portland on Friday and that she was ready “anytime, anywhere.”

    Oregon and Kentucky both vote May 20; the Obama campaign has said it expects to be positioned to lock up the nomination following those contests. Clinton urged Oregon voters to not be too hasty in their decision, saying the campaign had just gotten started in the state.

    “If you think you’ve made up your mind to support my opponent, wait a while,” said Clinton. “Keep thinking, keep listening, keep watching, keep hoping for that debate which would really make it a very clear choice that you’d be able to see as we talked about the issues that affect Oregon.”

    Clinton addressed the question that many have been asking – why does she keep going in the face of Obama’s seemingly insurmountable delegate lead.

    “I’m going to keep going because you keep going,” Clinton told the gathering. “When people get up everyday and face the odds that so many face in life and they keep going, of course, that’s what you do if you believe that the future can be better than the present.”

  263. Obama contributor (and Rezko neighbor) sues Rezko over $18 million debt …. the Rezbamauchi saga continues.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/follow-money-obama-contributor-sues.html

  264. Check This Out Donna Brazile Is Out Of Control

    Hi Donna!!!!
    I am emailing you on behalf of many people. I am, as you may know, a Hillary Clinton Supporter. You have probably gotten a lot of emails from her supporters, and I understand from the blogs I often frequent that you have responded to many of them.
    I want you to know that I read bits and pieces of your autobiography, Cooking With Grease, and thought it was wonderful and well written. I came to understand from your book and from a lot of what I have witnessed in this election cycle that to simply put groups of people in Demographics and Exit polls is a misunderstanding of both America and the Democratic Party. …

    The rest of her letter to Donna Brazile was similarly polite, kindly, and complimentary. She signed it, “respectfully, A young female voter from Ohio.” THIS is the response this young Democrat received:

    Thanks Natalie,
    As of today, I am not going to respond to any more anti American, Anti Democratic emails. Have a nice day.
    I am sorry because you are sincere, but the Hillary forces are uncivil, repugnant and vile. When you come up for air and would like to email a person who cares about America and not just a personality, I will respond.
    Thanks for your time and your interest.
    Donna

  265. So if you dont support Obama you are Anti American and Anti Democratic

    Sounds like it came from the good book of Rev Wright.

  266. Dot,

    Don’t give up!
    I’m gonna make another dozen calls to WVa a little later.

    B Merryfield,

    Another link. great work.

  267. It is sickening to me to watch that self righteous arse continue to pontificate on CNN. Donna should not be on CNN as any kind of political analyst, especially since we know which way her vote swings.

    This takeover by the far left is viewed by many of them as being justified by Bush last 8 years in office.

    We learned then that a puppet for the radical/reactionary element of any party does not make a good president. We need less ideologues and more grounded and experienced servents of the people. Like my gurl-Hill!

    The other argument I keep hearing with regard to Obama’s (uhh) experience is that “Bush had experience and look what kind of president he turned out to be.”

    I always say that Bush also had a track record and he failed at nearly everything handed to him. Barack Obama (uhh) has virtually no track record (and little experience) except that of people moving him up to the next level without him really working for it.

    “Can’t I just eat my waffles?”

    Hillary Clinton has a record of fighting for what people need and working with others to get stuff done.

    Obama (uhh) is an elitist puppet.

  268. You go girl!!!

    “The delegate math might be complicated, but the electoral math is easy. We need 270 electoral votes to win in November,” she said. “I’m building such a strong and broad coalition among the states and voters we must have to deliver the White House.”

    I love that quote from Hillary.

    Like I said on Linfar MYDD, Obama needs Hillary to win but Hillary doesn’t need Obama to win the G.E. since Hillary has won the States Dems need in November to win the White House.

    Hillary has been campaigning on for the G.E. from the begining while Obama has been trying to win the delegate count and played to the hard left of the party for months and months. Even his supporters declared or not declared have cared more about winning dems delegates the winning the White House…they think they have already won. But Hillary and her supporters know NEVER take the American voter for granted…you have to earn their vote.

  269. I just heard that Elizabeth Edwards voted in NC for Hillary Clinton, but John Edwards voted for BHO.

    At least Elizabeth Edwards knows what she’s doing. She’s been through a lot. I have a lot of respect for her.

  270. Carby,
    how’s your hub?
    Everyone,
    I’m sure W. Virginians won’t be pleased to hear Waffles is planning to announce he’s won the nomination on May 20 and is ignoring and dismissing their votes. The Time magazine cover is abominable.

    Here’s a preview of what the repubs will throw at Waffles should he be the nomination. Long but worth the look.

    http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

  271. good morning
    to all beautiful and intelligent american s

    who support a beautiful,tenacious,intelligent,fighter,born leader,a womn ,a mother,a sister,a wife ,,,,,and proud american HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON …I LOVE YOU HILLARY

    AND I LOVE AMERICA AND EVERY AMERICAN ,,,

    YAYYYYYYYYYYY

  272. Thousands are calling for her resignation. Thousands more are wondering if she’s off her meds (or needs to be ON some meds). What I WANT TO KNOW is WHAT IN THE HELL the poor saps like us who donate to the Democratic party are paying this woman? (I actually searched for information today on what Donna Brazile is paid by the DNC, but was unable to find any financial statements. If any of you can, please find it and share it with us.)

    There’s a sweet soul who has a lovely little blog, Little Isis, who had the temerity to write to Miss Donna Brazile. Her polite note included:

    Hi Donna!!!!
    I am emailing you on behalf of many people. I am, as you may know, a Hillary Clinton Supporter. You have probably gotten a lot of emails from her supporters, and I understand from the blogs I often frequent that you have responded to many of them.
    I want you to know that I read bits and pieces of your autobiography, Cooking With Grease, and thought it was wonderful and well written. I came to understand from your book and from a lot of what I have witnessed in this election cycle that to simply put groups of people in Demographics and Exit polls is a misunderstanding of both America and the Democratic Party. …

    The rest of her letter to Donna Brazile was similarly polite, kindly, and complimentary. She signed it, “respectfully, A young female voter from Ohio.” THIS is the response this young Democrat received:

    Thanks Natalie,
    As of today, I am not going to respond to any more anti American, Anti Democratic emails. Have a nice day.
    I am sorry because you are sincere, but the Hillary forces are uncivil, repugnant and vile. When you come up for air and would like to email a person who cares about America and not just a personality, I will respond.
    Thanks for your time and your interest.
    Donna

  273. I just want to say the following:
    I noticed that some of the super-delegates and ex Bill Clinton people support Obama for president now. I find it very disturbing and disloyal. IN general what I see in Democratic Party now makes me r4eally wonder what do I support there? Lack of any integrity, ass kissing, lies and intimidation of voters. Complete absence of loyalty and trust. Complete disorganization. Unbelievably ridiculous rules. Disfranchisement of voters of 2 states.
    Backstabbing of your former friends and etc. The more I look at it the more disgusted I am with this party. So I think that either we should start a new one – some sort of middle of the road party which will break away from Democrats or create something like “Hillary democrats for Mc Cain” in November. One thing I know for sure – whatever the outcome of this election will be – I will never support Obama. In fact I think I will not going to support democrats anymore in the future. They don’t deserve to be in power as of today. Sorry for harsh words.

  274. Sandy in PA
    Platinum Member = >750 Posts Join Date: Apr 2008
    Posts: 763
    Poster Rank: #21

    WE NEED TROOPS! Who Can Come to West Virginia?

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    OK–its time to put this thing to bed! Who can come to West Virginia this weekend? We need canvassers and we need people to do visibility events and people to pass out flyers. We need boots on the ground!

    Anyone in Maryland, Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia or Pennsylvania – can you cross the border and help out?

    I can put you in touch with someone at the campaign who can let you know where to be and when, or we can meet up somewhere.

    I’ll be just over the border from PA in the Charles Town & Martinsburg areas.

    Let me know if you can help!

    http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=88351#post88351

    ACTUALLY ,,THEY HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT ,,,,SO CHECK IT OUT

  275. Please don’t be upset with me saying this .. WV will yield a low turnout unless things turn around. I am not liking what I’m hearing ..

  276. she has so much support .. but they are demoralized. It’s hard to talk them into just getting up .. Tuesday will tell the tale. If she can get the vote out NOW .. she’s guaranteed the nomination, I’ll say taht

  277. johnflint1985 Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    U KNOW WHAT ,,THEY WILL PAY FOR IT IN FUTURE

    they are like big fat rats ,,joining the team with more money
    if they cared about this country they would have campaigned for hillary

    so now we know ,,,,who actually cares for us and who cares for thier fianaces only

  278. sonia,

    It’s customary to give credit to long posts from other sites, eg.; your 11:19 post copied from taylor Marsh.

    And you left out the most important part of bradzilla’s resonse:

    her “Message to the troops: stay home”.

    I’ve noticed you sometimes post some strange and demoralizing things here.

  279. psychological warfare is being waged .. got to hand it to axelrod, he has been pretty brilliant in campaign strategy. By waging no war in the upcoming states they reek confidence and it’s bleeding into the electorate. Lets not set our sites too high right now.

  280. SONIA4HILLARY
    And they should. This party is dead to me as of today. I am so tired and disgusted with what I see – that it is hard to imagine this is actually America – the most advanced nation on earth. I am sorry to be that way – but it is impossible to believe that this party is capable of any decency anymore. After another super-delegate switched to Obama today – I just call it what it is – Judas.

  281. Hi everyone,

    The diary over at mydd that went onto the rec list with about 40 people supporting it–some of you from here– was removed from the recommended list.

    If you would like to read the diary it is has been front paged over at http://www.savagepolitics.com

    Please go and comment if you could. JC was very great to post it on his site after the mydd shenanigans.

  282. Cheer up Dot.

    Check this AMAZING HRC pic!

    /www.ecivic.us/img/Clinton_rain.jpg

    (h*t*t*p*/*/*)

  283. ADMIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Can you PLLLLLEEEEEEZZZZEEEEEEE post this INSPIRING pic of HRC??????

    /www.ecivic.us/img/Clinton_rain.jpg

    (h*t*t*p*/*/*)

  284. dot, that is what I said yesterday.

    Obama’s whole strategy now is to depress the vote for her in the remaining primaries.

    If we can show huge numbers she could pull this out. And they know it 🙂

  285. johnflint1985 Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    let me tell u something

    i been in america for 15 yrs now
    us citizen ofcourse

    this is the first time ,,,,,i actually wanted to do anything with politics

    i love hillary ,,

    i made phone calls for her in CA ,,,I HAVE DONATED THE MAX ALLOWED

    I COULD HAVE VOTED FOR OBAMA IF HILL LOST IN JAN

    BUT WE ALL KNOW ,,,SHE DID NOT LOOSE ,,,SHE WAS FORCED TO LOOSE BY REPUBS,,,OBAMA,KERRY,,KENNEDY,,ALL THE MEDIA ALWAYS TRASHING HER MAKING PEOPLE GO VOTE AGAINST HER

    I AM SORRY BUT THIS MEDIA AND OBAMA MAKES ME FEEL ASHAMED OF BEING A WOMAN ,,,THIS IS THE WAY TO TREAT A WOMAN,A MOTHER ,,,A PERSON WHO GIVEN 35 YRS TO DEMS PARTY

    a person who is a fighter ,,a loyal democrat ,a intelligent born to lead leader

    i am disgusted by media,,,kerry,,kennedy,,and all the media

    these hillary blogs are like family now ,,

    only everybody her and other blogs ease my pain ,,,and make me proud to be a hillary supporter

    in my life i never hated anybody

    not even my enemies

    BUT NOW I HATE ,,,BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA,,,,MICHELLE OBAMA,,KERRY,,KENNEDY,,,,RICHARDSON,,DEAN ,,AND THE LIST GOES ON

  286. The infuriating thing is that we had all the momentum going into the NC and Indiana races, but because they refused to get the votes in from Gary, they denied Hillary the momentum of an upset victory and instead made it appear as a “loss”. Obama’s 14% win in NC was expected, and was made to appear as something incredible. The only incredible thing is that African-Americans have turned their backs on the Clintons for an unknown quantity who, if elected, will greatly disappoint them. The way the whole evening played out was very suspicious to me..Obama was way to comfortable in his “victory ” speech and the congratulations to Hillary on what “appears” to be a win in Indiana was very suspect looking back on it.

  287. johnflint1985, we talked about That Hillary run as independent yesterday. What do you think?

  288. Bill Clinton: Hillary Can Still Win!!

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    Bill Clinton: Hillary Can Still Win
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    Share May 08, 2008 12:38 PM

    ABC News’ Sarah Amos Reports: Bill Clinton insists Hillary can still win the Democratic nomination.

    “Don’t believe all this stuff you read in the press, she can still win this thing if you vote for her big enough,” Clinton told a cheering crowd of over 500 packed into the City Hall gym in Phillippi, West Virginia.

    “We are gonna have to resolve Michigan and Florida and when we do she can win the popular vote,” Clinton said, quickly adding, “all this raining on her parade is designed to discourage people from voting here. Because it is important not just that she win, but that she win with a large number of the registered voters going to the polls. So the most important thing you can do, is to do that.”

    Clinton said he was proud of her narrow win in Indiana but also had praise for her loss in North Carolina.

    “She started out about 22 or 23 points behind in North Carolina, she started out 8 or 10 points behind in Indiana. It was the first state that borders Illinois and the first state that she has come from behind to win, and she did it being outspent 4 to 1. I think that is pretty good don’t you?” Clinton asked.

    The former President explained much of Senator Clinton’s large loss in North Carolina as a result of early voting.

    “All the parts of North Carolina that look like West Virginia she won like a house on fire. And she did pretty well in other places. What happened is, a fourth of the people voted in advance and she lost that vote 2 to 1 ’cause we weren’t there and she didn’t have the money. But when she got there, the actual election day vote, from the best I can calculate it, was about seven percent which, given the Democratic break-up, make-up of North Carolina, is a huge, huge showing,” asserted Clinton.

    Clinton, nicknamed the “Comeback Kid” in his successful 1992 primary and general election campaign has never been known for giving up — or liking to lose.

    Making five stops in West Virginia Thursday — more events than Sens. Clinton, D-N.Y., Barack Obama, D-Ill., and presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. combined — it is clear he views this campaign as being far from over.

    The Clinton plan seems to be anchored on an overwhelming win in West Virginia, which could help convince superdelegates that Sen. Clinton is still the best choice for a Democratic nominee.

    “It is all riding on you. Don’t you be discouraged. You gotta have a big, big, big vote in West Virginia,” Clinton said. “Don’t let anybody tell you it doesn’t matter, I’m not gonna go vote. It does matter. Aren’t you glad that this thing got all the way to the end and you matter? You have been given a massive opportunity.”

    “She won’t quit on you,” Clinton implored on behalf of his wife, “So don’t you quit on her.”

    At Clinton’s second event in Sutton, he not only trumpeted Hillary’s win in Indiana, but pointed out that Obama had earlier deemed the state to be a tie-breaker.

    “In Indiana she came roaring from behind, in the first state that borders Illinois, was out-spent 4 to1, 4 to 1, and won anyways, because of people like you and places like this,” Clinton told a crowd that had gathered in a local barn to hear him speak.

    http://WWW.blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra…linton-hi.html

    Hillary has earned the nomination in every aspect.

    But Obama may be given the nomination.

    It doesn’t sound like a democracy to me!

  289. Diane Feinstein is standing by Hillary despite enormous pressure. That’s a positive sign!

  290. dot48 Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 11:43 am
    sonia .. use your passion today to phonebank into Oregon and WV. Need.help.badly.

    I WILL

    I AM AT MY BUSSINESS PLACE NOW ,,

    I DON,T WANNA PISS MY HUBBY TOO MUCH ,,,,,I AM ALREADY BLOGGING …(HE IS TICKED AS IT IS)

    I WILL MAKE IT AROUND 3PM CALIFORNIA TIME

  291. SONIA

    I love your posts.

    I hate Barack uhhbama too.

    Keep fightin for our gurl.

    Blaze a trail straight to the White House!

  292. Michigan’s Democratic Party is proposing that Michigan’s delegates be split 69 to 59 between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. According to the actual election results, Hillary would get 73 delegates. Jeralyn at TalkLeft sums up the results of the new proposal as follows:

    “It not only gives Obama all of the uncommitted delegates, a number that includes those who voted for Edwards, Dodd, Kucinich and Gravel, it gives him some that voted for Hillary.”

    http://WWW.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/michigan-dems-want-to-do-what-they-can-do-better-and-so-can-the-dnc/

  293. We must remember to stay vigilant & keep our chins up.
    Think of what people went through during the revolution, during the wars, to give us this great country. It’s worth fighting for, as are the Clintons, even if watching this race through the media is torturous.
    Thanks for listening. here’s a small reward;

    New ARG for WV;

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 57% to 27% among men (43% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 72% to 20%. Clinton leads 70% to 19% among white voters (93% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 91% to 3% among African American voters (5% of likely Democratic primary voters).

  294. I am relieved that Bill is addressing the issue of not quitting on Hillary. Coming from him, it makes such a bigger impact.

  295. vets4hilldawg Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 11:51 am
    SONIA

    THX

    SHE WILL WIN

    BUT 1% CHANCE SHE DON,T GET IT

    I WILL BE ON THE STREET POLITILEY ,,WITH SIGNS AGAINST MEDIA,,OBAMAS,,,,,,,

    I AM GONNA SUPPORT MCCAIN

    SEE

    WITH MCCAIN WE ONLY GET SAFETY OF THIS COUNTRY ,,,,

    WITH HILLARY WE GET EVERYTHING —–SAFETY,HEALTH CARE,ECONOMY,AND LIST GOES ON ON ON AND ON

    WITH OBAMA —WE GET CHANGE 50CENT OR NOTHING

    SO WHO WOULD I RATHER HAVE IF ITS BETWEEN ,,,MCCAIN,,,,,OR OBAMA,,,,

    ITS A NO BRAINER QUESTIN ——SAFETY,,MCCAIN ,,,,, obama can keep his 50cent for gorrilla face cookies

  296. Blue Democrat Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    okay

    i am very bad at that

    for some reason i like it specially when i am mad ….but i don,t wanna make u guys mad ,,,,so

    its ok now

  297. watch President Clinton smack down this retarded BO supporter who has the audacity to say Hill did nothing on health care.

    The WV crowd luvs it..

    youtube.com/watch?v=ReBygJ9aGV4

  298. 16 Swing State Dem Members of Congress Say Clinton is the Best Option for the “Top of the Ticket.”

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    Over a dozen “swing state” Democratic members of Congress today sent a letter to others in their party saying Clinton is the best option for the “top of the ticket.”

    THIS IS WONDERFUL NEWS!! This letter makes some great points!!!

    Here’s the letter:

    Dear Fellow Democrat,

    We are writing to you because of our shared belief in our Party’s principles and our commitment to ensuring that we have the strongest possible nominee to lead our ticket against John McCain and the Republicans in November.

    The decision about who to support to be our Party’s nominee is not one that any of us should take lightly. We haven’t. But, after giving this important decision a great deal of thought, we are convinced that Hillary Clinton has the vision, skills and commitment to make the changes our country needs. As Democrats who have run and won in competitive Congressional districts and battleground states, we believe that Hillary is best positioned to successfully lead the Democratic ticket in districts and states like ours around the country.

    As you know, Hillary has racked up victories in bellwether states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and now Indiana that are absolutely vital to winning the White House and maintaining our Congressional majority in the fall. Hillary has won the big battleground states by connecting with voters whose support we must have to win the general election. Her victories in Pennsylvania and Indiana were all the more impressive after being outspent by as much as two or three to one.

    Pennsylvania was not just a victory for Hillary Clinton. It was also a wake- up call for superdelegates, forcing us to ask ourselves two essential questions: 1) Which candidate can carry the magic 270 electoral votes to win in the fall? 2) Which candidate is most likely to help our fellow Democrats in down-ballot races? We believe the answer to both of these questions is Hillary Clinton.

    On the first question, Hillary has shown she can win the all-important battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida even while being outspent. This speaks to her ability to connect with voters we must deliver in the fall, including blue collar Democrats who can sway this election as they have in the past.

    On the second question, Hillary has won rural and suburban districts which we as Democrats must carry to maintain our edge in Congress. Of the fifteen districts rated “toss up” by the Cook Political Report, Hillary has now won ten. Of the 20 districts we picked up in 2006 that had gone for President Bush just two years before, Hillary has now won 16. She is strong in the places we must win to hold and expand our majority.

    This is a historically close race. The candidates are separated by a mere percentage point or two and the path to victory for each candidate is the same: win in the upcoming states and secure enough pledged and automatic delegates to get to the number required to win the nomination.

    The race now turns to the remaining six contests where the focus will be squarely on the economy. Voters in our states and across the country are voting on issues that affect them, their communities and their children’s future. We believe that they will decide that Hillary is the candidate who best understands those issues and has the best solutions to address them.

    We Democrats are justifiably proud of both of our candidates, and if Senator Obama is our Party’s nominee, we will enthusiastically support him. But our responsibility is not to choose simply to support the eventual nominee; it is to help select the nominee who is best for our party and best for our country. Our choice is clear: Hillary Clinton is that candidate. We believe she should be your choice as well.

    Thank you for consideration.

    Sincerely,

    Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY-24)
    Rep. Shelley Berkley (NV-01)
    Rep. Marion Berry (AR-1)
    Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
    Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20)
    Rep. Gene Green (TX -29)
    Rep. John Hall (NY-19)
    Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR-5)
    Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (FL-17)
    Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11)
    Rep. Silvestre Reyes (TX-16)
    Rep. Mike Ross (AR-4)
    Rep. Joe Sestak (PA-8)
    Rep. Ike Skelton (MO-4)
    Rep. John Tanner (TN-8)
    Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-20)

    http://www.news.aol.com/political-machin…our-back-hill/

  299. As most of you probably did, I just got another email request from Howard Scream begging for money. Seems like a perfect opportunity to implement JUSTMEINMTDORA’s plan to send the DNC play money on Monday.

    I plan on printing out Howard’s email and including it along with a million bucks worth of sham money he can use for his sham convention.

    I think I’ll include the page from hillaryclinton.com that shows I’m maxed out in donations to her campaign just to get the point across further.

  300. abc is reporting that the chosen one has taken over her in sd’s now. Leon panetta is saying it’s time to leave.

  301. dot48 – All different news outlets are saying different things. A lot of sources say that BO is down by ten! ABC is the ONLY news outlet saying that they are even tied.

  302. Panetta and Rahm Emanuel are the latest backstabbers. So what.

    Never liked either of them.

  303. Get the word out on blogs: Clinton Most Electable!

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    It is very important for the message to get out that last Tuesday was the date when Obama’s candidacy should have ended. This message should get out any way it can. Since the commercial media are pro-Obama, we must do it on the Internet, through blogs and message boards. Below are some points you can make when posting on the Internet or sending e-mail to friends. Try to use your own words.

    The primary results last Tuesday showed that Obama is not electable at all. He cannot win a single state that will matter in the general election (other than Illinois, his home state). Clinton has won them all, some with very impressive margins. Thus, the choice of the nominee for the Democrats has never been more clear-cut. The nomination must go to the winner of the states that matter for a Democratic victory in the election, not to the loser. The winner is Clinton.

    To many, the disparity in the number of delegates won by each of the candidates is confusing. Some take this number to indicate popular support. It is not. In general, the present formula used by the Democrats for awarding delegates in primaries measures neither electability in the general election nor popular support, unless all candidates focus on the states that will make a positive contribution to a Democratic victory. In the past, this has not been a problem. Unfortunately, this year, we are faced with an inconsistency between these two measures. Perhaps as a result of shrewd strategics, the Obama campaign spent time and effort campaigning in all states, including those that will not contribute to the Democrats’ success in the general election. Voters in these states, impressed with the attention showered on them by Democrats for the fist time in a primary, voted for Obama in large numbers. As a consequence, Obama got more delegates in total than Clinton, which by no means reflects his popular appeal relative to his opponent.

    This, unfortunately, has the potential to distort the nomination process and result in ultimate defeat for the Democrats. The candidate with the most delegates is the least likely to win the general election. Mechanisms are built into the process to correct this distortion and avert a mistake. I expect that the party elders will see to it that this occurs at the convention.

  304. so Emanuel defected? I think this is a signal that the sd’s are going to start leaving her in mass numbers if she doesn’t concede before he gets his ass kicked in WV and Ky. They want her to have to end on 5/20 with out any added delegates.

  305. Emanuel was never committed. He never decided. Dot, I think some want her out before 5/20 or atleast they do not want her to show how unelectable he is. Take a breath. let’s see how this plays out.

  306. The woman in Fayetteville who argued with Bill is so sure of herself, but she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.

  307. Dot,

    The day any exodus of SD’s happens is the day she needs to stand up and say she’s going to Denver.

    Call this entire fucking fiasco what it is, name names, and declare war.

    Maybe mention Indy run too.

  308. Is It Bad To Compare Obama To Kerry?
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
    Posted on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:05:53 AM EST
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    I have long admired WaPo columnist Eugene Robinson but I found his last column offensive and wrongheaded. Like many, Robinson is taking to accusing anyone who recognizes the problem as arguing that white working class voters will not vote for African American candidates. That is a nasty smear from Robinson intended to shut down the discussion. Shame on Eugene Robinson for doing that. Robinson wrote:

    Lower-income white Democrats may well defect to John McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee, Clinton is arguing . . . Let’s examine th[i]s premise[]. These are white Democrats we’re talking about, voters who generally share the party’s philosophy. So why would these Democrats refuse to vote for a nominee running on Democratic principles against a self-described conservative Republican? The answer, which Clinton implies but doesn’t quite come out and say, is that Obama is black — and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist
    (Emphasis supplied.) That is simply false. Consider the argument Bill Clinton made against his opponents in 1992. Or that John Edwards made against his opponents in 2004. They argued they could captured white working class voters and their opponents could not. Under Robinson’s construct, it is out of bounds to make the same argument against Obama because he is African American. That is wrong. More. .

  309. I heard BC was on the conference call today and said that Michigan has been decided fairly and FL is going to soon be decided. Does anyone know anything about this?

  310. http://WWW.americanresearchgroup.com/

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 57% to 27% among men (43% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 72% to 20%.

    Clinton leads 70% to 19% among white voters (93% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 91% to 3% among African American voters (5% of likely Democratic primary voters).

    Clinton leads 61% to 27% among voters age 18 to 49 (47% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 72% to 19% among voters age 50 and older.
    *******
    13% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 45% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.
    *******

  311. changed my tactic a bit in WV to get a feel for support for bambi if Hillary is not the nominee .. NOT GOOD.

  312. john, hill won’t run as an independent. she is a fierce democrat and her endorsement, should it come to that, will be sincere. we will just have to make a decision based on our own feel to whether we would support waffles. I cannot. Don’t know if I could were Hill on the ticket .. just doesn’t pass the smell test.

  313. Blue, I saw it at the comments on riverdaughter’s blog.

    I saw this at the comments at TM. Anyone see anything about this?:

    Edwards this morning pretty much said it is over for Hill!

    And yes, his delegates in FL, IA, NH, NV, SC will be moot because they will go over to BO themselevs after today…if they have to at the convention

  314. This quote almost had me in tears. It’s been a really hard several days, but I’m not giving up till Hillary tells me to.

    “She won’t quit on you,” Clinton implored on behalf of his wife, “So don’t you quit on her.”

  315. johnflint1985, based on the fact that Joe Liberman lost primary and won senate in 2006. I raised the possibility of Hillary run as independent.

  316. If that’s the MI decision, I’m fine with that. Do the popular vote totals counts then?

  317. There are some great quotes from Bill in that piece 🙂

    “Making five stops in West Virginia Thursday —— more events than Sens. Clinton, D-N.Y., Barack Obama, D-Ill., and presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. combined —— it is clear he views this campaign as being far from over.”

  318. dot,
    that’s what I picked up yesterday, too.
    They will NOT vote for him.
    The race card has come back to bite Waffles, bradzilla and Deaniac big time. Although 92% AA votes for Waffles is RACIST it’s not being discussed. But we know what’s good for the good is good for the gander. Typical bitter gun-toting bible-thumping Jack and Jane Six-pack are not taking kindly to Bradzilla’s and Deaniac’s recent remarks. After a lifetime of toeing the multicultural all-inclusive mantra they are not about to stand idly by and let themselves be subject to the same discrimination they’ve been so thoroughly coached shouldn’t be applied to anyone. And that includes Whites as well as Blacks.

    It has occurred to me that part of the reason for AA support for Waffles might be their fear of the rising influence of the Latina population which, by the next election, will put them squarely in the MAJORITY minority category. That’s one reason McCain is courting the Hispanic vote.

  319. Thanks MJ.

    Dot, not to argue the point, but nowadays being a fierce democrat means pledging your hopes & dreams & loyalty to what? To whom?
    I’m no so sure she wouldn’t consider it.
    She & Bill know they’ve been done very wrong.

    Question is, is an independent candidacy viable?

    Is it viable after republicans beat the living daylights out of Obama?

  320. dot48 Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    abc is reporting that the chosen one has taken over her in sd’s now. Leon panetta is saying it’s time to leave.
    *****************************************************
    This is to Leon Panetta and the rest who are telling Hillary Clinton to get out…this is one of the most sexist crap I have every seen, the treatment of Hillary Clinton by some party democrats and I want to say they better quit that talk because it will not bring the party together…most likely do the opposite.

    Hillary doesn’t have to quit she has won the popular votes and those Democrats who want to RAM “the annoited one” DOWN ARE THOATS better step back and let the proccess work it’s way out.

    Obama WILL NOT WIN OVER VOTES BY DISRESPECTING THE VOTERS!!!!

  321. I reckon they plan to have Florida delegation worked out before 5/31 .. most likely next week.

    I am not sure how they will do the popular vote … looks like if the delgates are seated they have to count the votes .. but who knows.

    so was Edwards interviewed again this morning??? I thought the delegates from him would be available to go to whomever they chose?

    what a friggin depressing week this has been.

  322. Ok, someone also told me that Edwards said he voted for BO and he will endorse the guy he voted for.

  323. Caroline,

    Feel free to answer my question to DOT too, I’d be very interested in your answer;

    “nowadays being a fierce democrat means pledging your hopes & dreams & loyalty to what? To whom?”

  324. Did the dems up above that said she was the best candidate all endorse her yet. PLEASE RESPOND!!!!!!!

    Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY-24)
    Rep. Shelley Berkley (NV-01)
    Rep. Marion Berry (AR-1)
    Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
    Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20)
    Rep. Gene Green (TX -29)
    Rep. John Hall (NY-19)
    Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR-5)
    Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (FL-17)
    Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11)
    Rep. Silvestre Reyes (TX-16)
    Rep. Mike Ross (AR-4)
    Rep. Joe Sestak (PA-8)
    Rep. Ike Skelton (MO-4)
    Rep. John Tanner (TN-8)
    Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-20

  325. dailykos.com/story/2008/5/9/121719/5159/971/512624

    Don’t read if you don’t want to get REALLY angry.

    They blame us. It’s not just us. It’s those bitter, “typical white Americans” who aren’t drinking their kool-aid.

  326. Hello Hillary friends,

    …regarding Florida and the General Election and write -in, if necessary

    I just called the Broward Voting Registrar here in Florida…

    …essentially the woman told me that Florida is going back to paper ballots and assuming someone in the state qualifies as a write in…and she said ‘someone always does’…then there will be a space to write in a name…if that person has not qualified themselves previously as a write in candidate, then the name you write in will not count…

    so the presidential write in name will be disqualified however anyone else you vote for, ie – for senator, etc…if you choose between who is listed then all those choices will count…

    so my dilemma has been solved here in Florida…if Hillary is not the nominee and her name is not on that ballot, I will be writing in Hillary Clinton’s name for President

    I would like to invite all the other Hillary supporters here in Florida to consider that if for any reason Hillary’s name is not on the GE ballot that we all write her name in and choose Hillary Clinton for President

    as all of us I am praying Hillary’s name will be there…and we can be sure it is…one way or another…

    S | 05.09.2008 – 11:13 am | #

  327. I think many of us have already stated that for us ..it’s Hillary or nobody. To make this about his skin color is just wrong. I don’t care if somebody is purple .. I didn’t vote for Hillary because she is a woman .. I did so because she is the best bet for American at this time

  328. I knew Edwards was going to play that card, he’s a big HYPOCRIT with all that poverty crap he spill over and over again. That’s why he couldn’t bring his state into play for John Kerry.

    Now, can we move on from the John Edwards crap and keep working for Hillary Clinton.

  329. Ble Dem,

    I agree. After the way she’s been treated there is no reason for her to remain loyal to anyone. It’s time for a divorce. How long should a battered woman stay in a failing abusive marriage?

    If the DNC forces her out it’s time for a third party. I’m ready.

  330. She should force everyone of those back stabbing weasels to cast their vote and see where they stand. They want her out so they don’t have to play their hand and can say “I would have voted for you” to remain in the Clinton’s good graces. A bunch of spineless weasels imo. Nonetheless, we face a problem if Barry gets the nomination b/c McCain is so weak I don’t see how he can win. The conservatives don’t even like him. Our only chance is for some new dirt on Barry before the election or
    enough of us voting for Mccain as Brazile and others have made it clear they don’t need us anyway.

  331. dot,
    I understand but how do you square that comment with the fact that AA’s are making it all about skin color and trying to blackmail the rest of the country with white guilt?????? And we OWE them?????

    No No No!!!!!!!!!!

    Blackmail is blackmail. And the other 87% of the country is being blackmailed.

    Not this typical white woman.
    They can dismiss and insult whites and they’re right?

  332. Let the people vote. Over sixteen million have voted for Hillary — we have rights, too.

  333. Basil,

    Bearing in mind, I’ve always anticipated BO getting absolutely abused these next few months.
    I figure him in a 3-way race at about 75% capacity, but with the strentgh (ha!) of the party behind him.

    What do you think?

  334. dot48 Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
    so Emanuel defected? I think this is a signal that the sd’s are going to start leaving her in mass numbers if she doesn’t concede before he gets his ass kicked in WV and Ky. They want her to have to end on 5/20 with out any added delegates.
    *****************************************************
    He was never with her…so can we not keep annoucing Obama’s supporters. Emaneul was never in Hillary camp, he is just coming out now because he think Obama has won….REMEMBER TIME COVER WITH OBAMA ANNOUNCED THE WINNER…C’MON this is the plan.

    Hillary CAN’T QUIT!!! Obama has to beat her but Hillary CAN NOT QUIT!

    THIS WILL HURT ALL FEMALES IN THE FUTURE IF SHE QUITS!!!

  335. basil .. I’ve said that if whites and women had the same mentality as the AA .. Hill would have already won. The AA want a AA .. women and whites are beyond that it seems .. or the voting plays that out.

    I just do not think he is qualified .. too green, too eager to hand off the responsibilities to some one else and he’s got a glass jaw and no spine. Majorly not qualified for the major task

  336. Emanuel has not endorsed anyone. The story I read quoted a sentence he said at some forum, but who knows what the context was.

  337. Blue Dem,

    At this point I don’t think it’s likely she would win but I do think it’s a symbolic gesture that HAS to be made, so future female presidential
    candidates and women everywhere will have a role model, a SHERO.
    We sure don’t have one in the current so-called Democratic Party.

    My opinion s that if HRC is not the nominee, McCain wins. If she runs third party, McCain still wins but what she will have accomplished is STANDING up to the B@stards and weakening Waffles who, I firmly believe, is one of the most dangerous people to ever get within shouting distance of the WH.

  338. Did the dems below above that said she was the best candidate all endorse her yet. PLEASE RESPOND!!!!!!!

    Rep. Michael Arcuri (NY-24)
    Rep. Shelley Berkley (NV-01)
    Rep. Marion Berry (AR-1)
    Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
    Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand (NY-20)
    Rep. Gene Green (TX -29)
    Rep. John Hall (NY-19)
    Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR-5)
    Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (FL-17)
    Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11)
    Rep. Silvestre Reyes (TX-16)
    Rep. Mike Ross (AR-4)
    Rep. Joe Sestak (PA-8)
    Rep. Ike Skelton (MO-4)
    Rep. John Tanner (TN-8)
    Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL-20

  339. the big mistake was not having a plan for the caucus states and not having the $ to compete.

    no doubt she is the most qualifed, best equipped

  340. dot, the only thing that seriously hurt hill was the non-caucus plan, and that is Mark Penn’s falut. He screwed her.

  341. winhillary, here are congressional endorsements — I think all those you listed have endorsed her:

    thehill.com/endorsements-2008.html

  342. as you all can tell, I am coming to terms with whatever might happen .. the hill got much steeper on Tuesday and her own party is not helping her climb it. I think I feel it’s best for me to start a path of what if and start to accept that maybe it is not to be.

  343. mj – I have to agree with you. Furthermore, doesn’t Penn say that Hillary owes him $4,000,000? That’s crazy! Why would someone charge so much for such shitty work on his part?

  344. jbstone. I completely disagree. McCain will blow it out of the water against Waffles.
    If this TYPICAL democrat is determined to switch affiliation to Independent and vote McCain rather than risk a Waffles presidency, I’m sure there are millions more like me.
    Check some of the videos posted today, like this one:
    Barack Hussein Obama. A video Portrait.
    /www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
    (insert h*t*t*p)
    Dot and blue dem, I have to start another post to respond to you coz i can’t see what I’m typing here! “evil:

    Dot and blued dem, have to

  345. Dot, please don’t give up before WV.

    So, BO lost 15k votes in NC. I bet this happened in other parts of the state:

    news14.com/content/top_stories/595595/mecklenburg–wake-find-vote-flaws/Default.aspx

  346. jbstones:

    Welcome back. I never thought you were a mole, and folks can go up to see your comments. Right on.

  347. dot48-

    I know it is really depressing.

    I know I haven’t been posting here for very long, but I’ve been reading for months, and I have a lot of respect for you. I will still have that respect for you no matter what you decide.

    We’ll get through this.

  348. Many of her advisers screwed her….they underestimated BO, did not do basic research to find his racist Preacher until it was too late, should never have agreed to the Fl. and Mich. plan, and clearly never anticipated the complete abandonment of AA vote….but as Bill says, politics is rough, and out lady is still standing when weaklings like Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, Leahy, Pelosi, Brazile, Dean, etc would have been long gone…

  349. dot and others,

    Stop believing their propoganda! Don’t even watch tv or read it! This is just how they want us to react!

    For some reality check — are they telling their own supporters to relax, THEY can stop working?

    Hillary would not donate $6 million to her own campaign if not confident. Apparently we HAVE the majority in the Rules Committee meeting May 31 and even Brazile is being quoted as saying their earlier decision re FL/MI was too ‘draconian’ and should be changed.

    Superdelegates who want a winner, are holding off till the convention to see how everyone performs throughout the summer.

    Hillary won’t be bluffed. Trying this bluff is a sign of desperation.

    Obama isn’t trotting out superdelegate endorsements — because he doesn’t have many left in his tanking tank.

  350. Basil,
    Tell me WHY you don’t think she can win.

    I can paint a pretty attractive picture of an indy run, where for instance she teams with Bloomberg, so money’s not an issue.
    That’d mean oodles of free NY media, which bleeds into national coverage. (significant because potentially the biggest obstacle is media and status as ‘the 3rd part candidate’).

    I believe in my bones from what I’ve seen there is a new admiration for Hill among Republicans, especially conservatives who despise McCain (and frankly, those with racist tendancies who’ll never vote for a black man). She’ll cut into McCain’s vote, and again her 40% is rock solid.
    Obama would be getting the shit kicked out of him, the whole Oppo research file out in the open.

    And then there’s the trailblazing element, the perseverance element, and the fact it’s deserved.
    I’ve always believed the Clintons were essentially on their own in the party, a fact that’s been brought home in frightening detail in this race.

    Tell me why she loses, and by how much. Cause if it’d be close, it’s another reason to do it.

  351. Dot, mj,
    Penn, Solis-Doyle and a host of other incompetent egotistical a$$wipes sabotaged her.
    She counted on them to run an efficient, effective campaign and they royally screwed her.
    She has no technical savvy, no internet expertise, no time to organize and schedule the day-to-day events. She trusted them to have a winning strategy and they took her money and kicked back and didn’t give a sh!t what happened to her. Without a doubt, if she had won just a couple of those caucus states she would be the nominee right now.
    But she kept fighting and so will I, even if means supporting a third-party candidacy.

  352. BASIL9 and the rest…quit the whinning!!!

    Playing the RACE CARD is not an AA tactic…it’s the HOWARD DEAN WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY endorsing this TACTIC. I’ve seen more WHITE so-call LIBS calling other white RACISTS to shut down honest discussions and criticism of OBAMBI’S WEAKNESS to WIN THE G.E.

    SO STOP CRYING and START FIGHTING BACK!

    This AA is voting for McCain if Obama is the nominee because I will not lower my standards on what I want for the POTUS, it’s about the resume and although I disagree with most of McCain’s politics, I do respect the man and his service to our country.

    McCain is a principled man…not perfect and without flaws but at least he doesn’t support anti-American terrorists foreign or domestic. At least he has a record I can review and make an informed judgement on what kind of President he will be because of his service to the people of this country.

    Obama touts ethic reform bill and voted present as a state senator on tough issues. Obama is the establishment candidate and had the MSM be his pr team and still he can’t take out Hillary Clinton….the democratic leadership has broken their own principles all through out this primary season.

    This is where I stand and I’ve made peace with my decision…it’s not about party politics, it’s about my country and who is the best candidate for everybody.

    Martin Luther King and others fought so hard for the voting right act and to see democrats pull this crap against Hillary Clinton is just _________________ (fill in the blank).

  353. Come on, please quit ragging on her staff.

    You go into a race, you make the best call you can, and you figure out how to deal with what happens. I think she was always an underdog, and she’s done great. I really think that.

  354. Blue Democrat Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
    Can anyone tell me how we beat what many including Rove continue to describe as the endgame, namely the credentials committee at the convention where Dean has stacked around 25 loyalists in between basically even supporters for Bo & HRC.

    It sounds like Dean has kept his options open, by giving his personal loyalists the deciding position. At the last minute he can instruct them what to do — and they may or may not obey him.

  355. I agree with plural, and really Penn was the issue for not having a caucus strategy but let’s put that aside.

    Some are saying that Edwards didn’t really say that. He just said he voted for ’em.

  356. SONIA4HILLARY Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Get the word out on blogs: Clinton Most Electable!

    ——————————————————————————–

    Please cite your sources. Not knowing where they came from is annoying.

  357. 16 members of Congress have signed a letter to other dems saying Hill has to be top of the ticket in the fall–because she is only one who can help down ticket races in swing states. This is strong stuff.

    I put a diary up about it at mydd.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/9/133220/2768

    As always you are invited to come and read it, rec if you want to and comments are greatly appreciated.

  358. carbynew,

    I wanted to thank you for your comment over at the delisted diary at mydd. It was helpful.

    these guys have got to hear what is happening with dems–whether or not they want to hear it.

  359. basil9,
    I’m going to try to stay calm because I know you are probably really upset and disappointed about HRC right now. But HRC isn’t losing because AAs are blackmailing anybody with white guilt. Now if you want to say the Obama campaign has played the race card against her and her supporters to prevent any and all criticism of him that I can agree with. But to lay all this at the feet of black voters is absurd. The vast majority of the SDs backing BO are indeed white. He has raised millions of dollars from whites not blacks. He has won primaries/caucuses where the vast majority of those voting were white. It has been mostly white journalists that have given him a free pass & glowing press coverage. Obama has gotten millions of white men and women to vote for him and I certainly don’t think all of them were doing it because black people made them feel guilty.

  360. linfar-

    The mydd people don’t seem to be treating you so well, even while your diaries get consistently rec’d up to the Rec list. Have you considered making your own website, so that people can’t censor you?

  361. This race is not NOT over.

    The obama camp is doing this to depress her vote in the upcoming primaries.

    Don’t let them get inside your head.

    We have one job right now and that is GOTV in the upcoming primaries.

    She can still win this thing.

    Go read the letter fromthe swing state dems. They are worried. And they need Hill

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/9/133220/2768

  362. Blue Dem,I apologize! I didn’t say it was impossible! It would be difficult but you’re right, we don’t know what else is out there about Waffles, we can’t predict what could happen internationally, anything could happen.
    About Bloomberg, I though he was pro-Obama? there were rumors a couple of weeks ago that he and Bloomberg might join forces. If Bloomberg were to support HRC, however, all bets are off. he has the money to bankroll their run and she’ already got a rock solid base. So if you catch wind of any such plan count me in!!!!!!
    There is a respect among Indies and Repubs for HRC. i heard that in my WVa calls yesterday from 2 white male indies, one of whom I convinced to pull the lever for her on tuesday. One guy said that if only she had gone on BILL O’REILLY earlier he thinks she would be the nominee right now! That’s how impressed he was by her performance. D@mn! I hate these teeny tiny dialogue boxes that prevent you from seeing what you’re typing after a dozen lines. 👿

  363. Hallow,

    Censorhsip is the name of the game if you are a Hillary supporter. Has been from day one. In both msm and in the blogs.

    I won’t give up right now because Hill needs us to keep strong and keep saying it is not over.

    Cause it isn’t 🙂 🙂

  364. this is mean but I hope the media turns swiftly and gives him a taste of what Hill has been getting for the last year. I am not sure if it’s reasonable to expect it but I would savor it.

  365. Go light a candle for Hillary

    down from 3000 to 523

    gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?l=eng

  366. I agree with Nikki. It’s a bunch of white male elitist who are using the AA’s to guilt Hill and her supporters into giving BO the nom.

  367. nikki,

    you have a point. I probably expressed myself in entirely too hyperbolic a manner. i apologize. I’m just MAD as Hell, especially when today HRC is accused of racism for stating the statistics of the votes she’s gotten vs. those Waffles has gotten. now, why is she labeled racist for pointing out that she’s gotten a huge percentage of the white vote and yet the fact he’s gotten 92% of the black vote isn’t discussed? that’s what I mean about the white guilt trip. i don’t believe it’s necessarily Waffles running that story line; It’s Axelrod the Kingmaker and his evil crew..

  368. This is the email I am sending to delegates. If anyone would like to use any of it in their emails, please feel free:

    Dear so n so,

    I am not asking you to vote for one or the other of the Democratic nominees. I am asking you to stand up for the right of all the people’s votes to be counted.

    I need to tell the kids in our family and their friends that the United States of America remains a democratic country. They are telling me that voting is a joke. They are saying that nominations and elections are decided by “the ruling class” (what?!) and that nobody cares about the masses. (What?!) When I try to argue, they laugh at me and shout “Hey. Look at Florida, look at Michigan, look at George Bush.

    What really hurts is when they add, “It’s probably always been like this. The history books write what they want you to believe, but it’s all phony. All that democracy talk is just bullshit to make us nobodies think we’re part of things.”

    Please, please, join those who are trying to have all the people’s votes count. Please help restore these kids’ faith in our country.

  369. yahoo headline is saying bambi picks up 5 more sd’s .. I’m afraid what we expected would happen is happening

  370. It’s frustrating to me that all the wimpy, far-left-wing Dems who back Obama are saying, basically, that everyone should just ignore the fact that blue-collar Democrats are avoiding Obama in droves. This “ostrich” mentality is what doomed the Democrats in 1984, 1988, and 2004: we elected weak nominees without spending any time actually considering how poorly they matched up in general election lineups.

  371. 1950’s dem and linfar,
    I AGREE the race isn’t over. It just may take a different, and as Blue Dem says, trail-blazing direction.
    I’m an HRC diehard all the way. If it means writing her name on a ballot, I’m in.
    FYI – I posted LOTS of positive stuff this morning. I think this tangent started coz our WONDERFUL DOT seemed a bit doiscouraged today. And she has a right to express that. She’s worked her butt off and it’s not always easy, especially when she’ in touch with relatives and people in her home state of WVa and isn’t getting the kind of news she anticipated. GO HILLARY! 😀

  372. mj,
    I wish HRC was getting more black support. But I know she would get AA support as the nominee regardless of the spin coming from team BO. You know something? If South Carolina, with 50% black voters, had voted first Hillary would have won! Obama would have been toast. But after he won the Iowa caucus and proved to be viable with mainstream white voters I knew he was going to get the AA vote. I mean if you don’t follow politics very closely the only thing you know is here is the 1st black man in our country’s history with a shot to be president. Its nothing personal against Hillary but its really hard to go against making that kind of history for many AAs.

  373. Well, BM is into it’s newest narrative, that a desperate and willing-to-do-anything Hillary has placed the race card (again, some of them have the nerve to say!) by having the nerve to point out simple facts about the voting – like whites won’t go for BO.

    How much does it take to make you angry?!

  374. Big Media is so politically-paranoid that they don’t really know how to talk about race like adults. There is nothing “race card” whatsoever about Hillary pointing out the simple FACT that white working-class voters are abandoning Obama in droves, especially over the last month. That is a fact that cannot be wished away, no matter how much the latte-limousine-liberals wish it could be.

  375. carbynew,

    i wasn’t crying or whining, either.

    I’ve been doing my part; donating, calling, writing, etc. What’s going on today, which I even know about though the TV has not been on, has been absolutely obscene. For the media to run with the ‘Hillary is a racist” line because she pointed out she’s been able to attract white blue-collar voters is way over the line, IMHO. And who do you think is FEEDING that storyline to the slobbering press? Yes, it’s probably Axelrod, of course, but don’t tell me Obama is not as completely aware of that as he was about Wright’s true philosophies. So this isn’t whining. It’s fighting back against the blackmailers and they’re enablers, among whom I include Obama. And if he’s NOT aware of these smears against HRC, well that’s just another reason why he’s unqualified to be president.

  376. Jonathan Alter on MSNBC trying to explain away BO’s troubles right now.

    “It’s a ‘Granny-Gap’ (expect to hear that phrase some more), one he’s making progress on”

    “Not so much white working people, lower educated, etc….”

    It never ends…..

  377. so now we are all Grannies if we don’t support him. Makes me even more adamant to vote for the “grown up”

  378. nikki,

    It’s just as important and symbolic for women that HRC is the first viable female candidate.

    And who’s been trashed in this election? The man or the woman?

  379. Kennedy is really an ass-hole.

    May 09, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    Kennedy: No veep slot for Clinton

    It’s fun to think about, but there are so many obstacles, and Ted Kennedy isn’t buying, he said on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” which airs this weekend.

    “I don’t think it’s possible,” he told Hunt of the joint ticket, continuing that:

    Obama should choose a running mate who “is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people,” Kennedy said. “If we had real leadership — as we do with Barack Obama — in the No. 2 spot as well, it’d be enormously helpful.”

    Ouch.

  380. Blue Democrat,

    I don’t understand why Hill’s camp never pushes back against the media/BO with their bullsh**. Call them out! I’m black but if someone were to accuse me of antisemitism or hating hispanics all hell would break lose.

  381. On Hillary’s site someone said instead of a mothers day gift have your children donate to Hillary’s campaign,
    Lets give her a mothers day surprise on Saturday and Sunday

  382. I believe she(hillary) can’t just go nuclear when she’s still courting those SD

    she must walk a fine line with them.

  383. nikki22 Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
    Blue Democrat,

    I don’t understand why Hill’s camp never pushes back against the media/BO with their bullsh**. Call them out! I’m black but if someone were to accuse me of antisemitism or hating hispanics all hell would break lose.

    So true. Hillary needs to let it all hang out

  384. Blue Dem!

    WTF!!!!!!!!!

    GRANNY-GAP!!!!!!!

    WTF does he think he is?????? Some balding paunchy bozo-haired pompous toe-sucking swine-screwing lrd-faced sycophantic SLUG!!!!!!!!!

  385. After Hill is elected the nominee, i will never get involved in any campaign again. I will become an Independent. No more party affiliation.

  386. A good response to SD’s. (from FDR)

    I am a FLORIDA DEMOCRAT who always votes – I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA – he does not support the right to vote – I WILL FOR THE FIRST TIME VOTE REPUBLICAN – THIS IS A PROMISE – FLORIDA WILL BE RED!!!!!

  387. Edwards tells USA TODAY Washington bureau chief Susan Page that he did not. Here’s her report:

    Edwards, who has ducked questions about endorsing either of his former rivals for president, sparked speculation this morning that his secret choice is Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. On MSNBC, he allowed that he would endorse the person he cast his ballot for in the North Carolina primary. And he said something that to some ears sounded like this: “I just voted for him on Tuesday, so …”

    Him?

    “I said I voted for ’em,’ ” Edwards said in an interview shortly afterwards with USA TODAY. “I’m a Southerner. … It wasn’t meant to be male or female.”

  388. nobler aspirations my ass. he’s been the dirtiest campaigner in my lifetime.

    but seems many buy into the hype that is waffles and company ….

    Kennedy can kiss my ass as well. Talk like that will drive her supporters away even farther ..

    and if he puts another female on the ticket .. he can abandon any hope of Hill’s female support .. just saying IF

  389. djia Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    I believe she(hillary) can’t just go nuclear when she’s still courting those SD

    she must walk a fine line with them.

    Maybe she should. Maybe those idiots will take notice.
    Sometimes you can be too nice

  390. meiyingsu Says:
    May 9th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    WaPo columnist Eugene Robinson wrote:

    Lower-income white Democrats may well defect to John McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee, Clinton is arguing . . . Let’s examine th[i]s premise[]. These are white Democrats we’re talking about, voters who generally share the party’s philosophy. So why would these Democrats refuse to vote for a nominee running on Democratic principles against a self-described conservative Republican? The answer, which Clinton implies but doesn’t quite come out and say, is that Obama is black — and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Here’s what is extremely offensive and outright wrong about Robinson’s viewpoint:

    White “unwealthy” Dems are NOT racist. We richere and poorer white Clinton supporters a) recognize what a thoroughly strong candidate Clinton is, and / or b) recognize what an inexperienced and lowball politician Obama is. When the going got tough, after NH, Axelrod and Obama realized they needed to galvanize AA support via reverse racism. So paint Bill Clinton and Hillary as closet racist.

    Any white racists there may have been left the Dems after Lyndon Johnson sold the racists out in the 1960’s. Some may be lurking in corners of the Republican party (although that is NOT stating that all or many Republicans are racist), others ventured off to extremist organizations that may or may not operate in the political sphere.

    So how does that play out now, and in the GE? Clinton’s non-racist supporters by nearly 50% haven’t been sold on Obama and his charms. We know he’s going to blow the GE a la McGovern, Kerry, etc. On top of his liberalism, he is the least experienced canidate the Dems or Reps have put forward since the 1860’s.

    Now imagine an Obama going forward in September, where 28% OR MORE Clinton supporters will not support the Dem nominee. They either sit at home, vote for McCain, write in Hillary, or vote for Jerry Garcia. And these party stalwarts are the GetOutTheVote folks, don’t kid yourself.

    And in the GE, THAT’s where Obama is going to face people with racist tendencies.

    The DNC and Obama people are trying subvert the process:

    1. lowering the goal posts down from 2,209 (or whatever) down to 2,025
    2. monkeying with FL and MI numbers (they might find some formula to “seat” them that the states might knuckle under to, but that throw it to Obama.
    3. We will fill out the rest of the list….

    If they win this pyrrhic victory, they may get what the 90% of AAs want: a first AA candidate from one of the major parties. It will be a statement. Losing to McCain would be acceptable. 10% of the AAs don’t find this acceptable, the Bush agenda has to be turned around 180 degrees by someone who knows how to drive the bus.

    So it is many AAs (not all) who are practicing some kind of racial diviseness, not middle of the road Dems. Clyburn? Sharpton? Brazile?…

  391. A good diary by TexasDarlin to read and recomment!

    h t t p : / / http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/9/113830/1667

    New Poll West Va: Clinton Up 43 [Updated]

    by TexasDarlin, Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:38:30 AM EST

    43 points.. The Survey was conducted on May 7 and 8, after Tuesday’s elections.

    Clinton 66
    Obama 23
    Undec. 6

    The pollster, ARG:

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 57% to 27% among men (43% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 72% to 20%.

    Clinton leads 70% to 19% among white voters (93% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 91% to 3% among African American voters (5% of likely Democratic primary voters).

    Clinton leads 61% to 27% among voters age 18 to 49 (47% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 72% to 19% among voters age 50 and older.

  392. Thanks…it kind of hurt to be called a troll as my love, admiration, and loyalty to the Clinton’s has been decades long, but I understand everyone here is , like me, angry as hell and just can’t believe this is happening. I too, as a Florida voter, will not only vote for Mccain, but actively support him, change my party affiliation to Independent, and do anything I can to defeat Obama if Hillary is not our nominee.

  393. Here is proof that Obama campaign was involved in the uncommitted vote scheme that they encouraged and pushed in Michigan http://mybarackobama.com/page/community/post/derrickjackson/CCgd/com

    please pass on From Taylor Marsh posted by:Iron Man

    This An Urgent Call To Action
    and also a Sample letter from one of Obama’s supporters

    Check these comments out – this is just a sample of them:

    By Eboni Jan 5th 2008 at 7:53 pm EST
    PLEASE PASS THE WORD

    There will be a conference call for all Obama supporters in Michigan on Tuesday, Jan. 8. Please check the michigandersforobama.com website tomorrow to get the time and call in number.
    We will be discussing the Jan. 15 “Uncommitted” vote and how to turn those Jan. 15 “Uncommitted” votes into electing “Uncommitted delegate on March 29, 2008 to go to the Democratic National Presidential Convenvention in Denver, Colo where we then can declare as committed delegates for Sen. Obama.

    Christina Montague
    State Director
    Michiganders For Obama
    By Diamond Gal Jan 6th 2008 at 3:34 am EST
    Hi!
    Can you call me at 313-671-3972. I have access to air time that could be made availble to you.
    But you have to act quickly. Please call me by noon today.
    Thanks.
    By Susan from Grand Rapids, MI Jan 8th 2008 at 10:42 am EST
    Voting “Uncommitted” is what the Michigan Democratic party has asked us to do. Is that really what Barack Obama wants us to do? He left his name off the ballot for a reason—I understand that to be that the national party didn’t want the election moved up, but the Michigan Democratic party did. I am not uncommitted; I am for Obama! Why doesn’t a write-in count in a democracy?

    Wow! So the Michigan Democratic Party also told Obama supporters to vote uncommitted. Very interesting indeed. I tell you what, those webpages on Obama’s website and the comments on them really expose the uncommitted vote scheme by the Obama camapign and what they did in Michigan and soe of the people involved. Might take a little digging this morning, but look at the phone numbers, the names of the people in the comments, and their website as well. The guy named Derrick (obviously an Obama supporter) knows a lot about the scheme in Michigan. And the use of the Obama campaign website to promote the uncommitted vote scheme in Michigan is proof that Obama and his campaign were involved and campaigning in Michigan.

  394. 50 .. the support is there. The narrative must change up a bit to gotv.

    I know this .. bambi won’t have a prayer in November if he’s the nominee in WV. Hillary could swing the entire state if she were the nominee .. no doubt about it,

    So many questions about bambi and his electability but the party doesn’t really care if they lose. I see the whole thing now crystal clear. Nominate a black man with an over the top speech .. don’t really worry about whether we win or not .. the deeds done, never to have to be revisited again .. 4 years later another dem will come in

  395. Neetabug,
    djia Says:
    ‘I believe she(hillary) can’t just go nuclear when she’s still courting those SD’

    ‘Maybe she should. Maybe those idiots will take notice.
    Sometimes you can be too nice’

    AGREED . AND this situation fits that criteria, the too nice one. I say she goes for it. WTF does she have to lose? Not a godd@mn thing. With the deck so unwaveringly stacked against her it’s time for a BRAVEHEART moment.

  396. her loyalty to the party is much more than any loyalty the party has to her or Bill.

    Hillary is too loyal .. she’d never do anything to hurt the party.

    Her heart and principles are democrat and she’ll still be a democrat in November.

    She has made that crystal clear

  397. jbstonesfan is one of those people you find on other pro-Hillary blogs who cut and paste scathingly malicious articles from other sources, then pretend to be a Hillary supporter just to watch TRUE Hillary fans like us on this site complain over the content of the article. I DON’T BUY IT.

    jbstonesfan and his ilk are all over Taylor Marsh’s site as well. They bring the cancer to the site, then watch as we “freak out” over it.

    Funny how jbstonesfan managed to locate that Ted Kennedy article, but did not have the energy to post the new ARG WV poll.

  398. I was out yesterday and I’m still not sure why everyone thinks the sky fell. But please don’t rehash it, just calm down, examine it, and get back to work!

    Obama made a ridiculous play for publicity and confusion. Edwards NOW says he voted for some ‘THEM’ instead of ‘him.’

    Edwards has about 30 delegates PLEDGED to him. That’s something he can really use in the convention and/or the smoky rooms. Why would he waste his options now? Elizabeth Edwards has endorsed Hillary’s health plan, at least more or less.

    Edwards’ best use of his pledged delegates is to wait and sell them to whoever
    1. offers a good cabinet post
    2. looks likely to be able to deliver it, ie get nominated and elected in Nov

    If Edwards thought either candidate an almost certain winner of both elections, he’d sell his delegates to that person asap before their value goes down. Since he hasn’t (barring some secret deal), I expect he doesn’t know who to bet on, or expects their value will go up later: ie that he thinks the contest is still very competitive, and wants both candidates competing for his favors.

    One thing we do know about Edwards from his actions, is that he is a Gamer. With Obama, Edwards also took his name off the MI ballot and campaigned for the Uncommitted slate. (Hm, if Obama is wanting Uncommitted delegates now assigned to him, shouldn’t Edwards have something to say about that? Maybe next they will be fighting against themselves. Great unifer out there.)

  399. Simply untrue and selective reading. I have only posted here, Huffington Post before it became a hate Hillary site, and on Hillary’s blog which I posted here yesterday. I cut and pasted the Kennedy article b/c it popped up on Drudge and I was pretty outraged by it. Anyway, I don’t have to justify myself to you or anyone…..I read both the pro and con as it’s good to keep your friends close and enemies closer. You simply can’t ignore what the haters are saying if you want to fight back.

  400. pm,

    The ‘most electable’ may be the letter from some Congressmembers that came out in email on a Hillary list this morning. It didn’t give a url to cite, but it’s probably up somewhere by now. Here’s the whole thing, names omitted.

    Today’s Must Read: SWING STATE DEMOCRATS SAY HILLARY BEST FOR TOP OF TICKET

    Over a dozen members of Congress wrote to other Democrats touting their support for Hillary, saying she is the strongest candidate to have at the top of the ticket in the fall.

    The text of the letter is below.

    Dear Fellow Democrat,

    We are writing to you because of our shared belief in our Party’s principles and our commitment to ensuring that we have the strongest possible nominee to lead our ticket against John McCain and the Republicans in November.

    The decision about who to support to be our Party’s nominee is not one that any of us should take lightly. We haven’t. But, after giving this important decision a great deal of thought, we are convinced that Hillary Clinton has the vision, skills and commitment to make the changes our country needs. As Democrats who have run and won in competitive Congressional districts and battleground states, we believe that Hillary is best positioned to successfully lead the Democratic ticket in districts and states like ours around the country.

    As you know, Hillary has racked up victories in bellwether states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and now Indiana that are absolutely vital to winning the White House and maintaining our Congressional majority in the fall. Hillary has won the big battleground states by connecting with voters whose support we must have to win the general election. Her victories in Pennsylvania and Indiana were all the more impressive after being outspent by as much as two or three to one.

    Pennsylvania was not just a victory for Hillary Clinton. It was also a wake- up call for superdelegates, forcing us to ask ourselves two essential questions: 1) Which candidate can carry the magic 270 electoral votes to win in the fall? 2) Which candidate is most likely to help our fellow Democrats in down-ballot races? We believe the answer to both of these questions is Hillary Clinton.

    On the first question, Hillary has shown she can win the all-important battleground states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida even while being outspent. This speaks to her ability to connect with voters we must deliver in the fall, including blue collar Democrats who can sway this election as they have in the past.

    On the second question, Hillary has won rural and suburban districts which we as Democrats must carry to maintain our edge in Congress. Of the fifteen districts rated “toss up” by the Cook Political Report, Hillary has now won ten. Of the 20 districts we picked up in 2006 that had gone for President Bush just two years before, Hillary has now won 16. She is strong in the places we must win to hold and expand our majority.

    This is a historically close race. The candidates are separated by a mere percentage point or two and the path to victory for each candidate is the same: win in the upcoming states and secure enough pledged and automatic delegates to get to the number required to win the nomination.

    The race now turns to the remaining six contests where the focus will be squarely on the economy. Voters in our states and across the country are voting on issues that affect them, their communities and their children’s future. We believe that they will decide that Hillary is the candidate who best understands those issues and has the best solutions to address them.

    We Democrats are justifiably proud of both of our candidates, and if Senator Obama is our Party’s nominee, we will enthusiastically support him. But our responsibility is not to choose simply to support the eventual nominee; it is to help select the nominee who is best for our party and best for our country. Our choice is clear: Hillary Clinton is that candidate. We believe she should be your choice as well.

    Thank you for consideration.

    Sincerely,

  401. Sonia,

    Thanks for posting this POSITIVE info immediately instead of searching for a cite. It’s easy enough these days to Google for a key phrase. And if what you’re talking about was from a Hillary list, then plenty of people at h44 will be receiving the original soon.

  402. Dear Hillary supporters,

    There are many reasons to fight for Senator Hillary Clinton.

    We had to win in Indiana because it was a perfect cross section of our supporters and the fact that Indiana borders his home state of Illinois and the Senator of Illinois had never lost in any state that bordered Illinois. In mid February we were down by 15 points in Indiana. On March 13 the polls showed that we were down by 8 points and the poll going into May 6th had us up by 5 points. In the end we won by 2 points. This is the first state in which long term polling favoring one candidate did not hold true and it was able to happen thanks to your support.

    How we won Indiana is also very important. Hillary won by appealing to voters in almost every key demographic group. According to the exit poll, Hillary won among men and among women, in northern, central and southern parts of the state, among those who earn more than $50,000 per year and those who earn less, union voters and non-union voters, suburban and rural voters, churchgoers, gun-owners, and those who have not graduated from college.

    Hillary also won among those who say the economy is the most important issue, those who are affected by the recession, those who say health care is most important, electability and experience voters. Hillary also led Obama on commander-in-chief.

    I will keep fighting for Senator Clinton because what she has taught me in this campaign is to fight for your convictions, to put in the extra hour when my eyes get tired, and my body begs for rest. She has introduced me to people like you who have sacrificed more then can be asked of anyone while balancing your careers, bills, family, planning for an uncertain future, and any and all twists that life puts in our path to overcome.

    After 31 years of working diligently, paying her taxes, raising her only son, and finally living the American dream in owning her home in the United States, my mother back home could stand to lose her home. She has been fighting the health insurance industry and her former employer for a repetitive stress injury suffered on the job. Her employer would not let her see a doctor in order to get physical therapy. When they finally did, the only remedy was surgery. She needed three of them, and it left her dominant arm with less then 10% use. Last May she had to put her mammogram on her credit card because she has no health insurance. My grandmother died of breast cancer at age 63 and my aunt had breast cancer surgery 2 years at age 60. My mother turns 60 in August of this year.

    I know this is a bit long but I cannot ask of you to continue to help without sharing with you why I continue to fight. I am asking you to write letters to your local papers and to our super delegates. If you reply back then I will mail a kit so all you have to do write a few lines and we will continue to do so “until the last dog dies” as Mr. Bob Nash, senior Clinton advisor, would say.

    We are Hillary’s ripple of hope

    Thank you

    Isaac Medrano

    Floridians for Hillary

    515-710-6259

    imedrano@hillaryclinton.com

    Tampa Bay Area:

    3802 Bay to Bay Blvd

    Tampa, FL 33629

    Miami-Dade Co.

    230 Palermo Ave.

    Coral Gables, FL 33134

    “Each time a man stands up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. – RFK”

  403. More Positive stuff:

    Dear Josh,

    You and I both know my mom will make a great president. I’m so blessed to have her as the best mom I could imagine — at 8, 18, and 28. As we approach Mother’s Day, I want to share a few memories of my mom with you.

    Take a look.

    Thank you again for your support of the person I am so proud to call my mom.

    Happy Mother’s Day!

    Chelsea

  404. Where is everybody? I posted, went out and did chores for a while, and no posts have appeared since.

    Gone to a safe site everyone, long time passing?

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