Tiebreaker Indiana: Make Hillary 44

Update: Hillary is showing the way:

Sen. Hillary Clinton added a previously unscheduled campaign stop Wednesday in West Virginia, soldiering on after a split decision in Tuesday’s voting in Indiana and North Carolina, her aides said.

The senator plans to appear at 11:45 a.m. at Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, West Virginia, Clinton aides told reporters about 3 a.m. Wednesday.

Her daughter, Chelsea Clinton, had already been scheduled to speak at the university.

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While internet Hopium dens filled with incense and chanting, hoping slumlord Antoin “Tony” Rezko does not “flip” on long time friend Barack “Waffles” Obama – Hillary Clinton was busy winning “tiebreaker” Indiana.

Hillary’s victory was accomplished in the face of a fierce fight put forth by Obama’s strongest supporter – Big Media.

There were two unexpected moments in the course of a very long evening. The first was the outing of Donna Brazile, as a badly disguised Obama supporter, by Campbell Brown at CNN. The outing occurred as Democrats witnessed the full threat posed by the McGovern Dukakis egghead Obama wing of what was the Democratic Party.

Campbell Brown vs. Donna Brazile:

BROWN: Hold on. I want to ask Donna something. Hold on.

I want to ask Donna something because you have been on these panels time and time again with us as an undecided voter, and you sound very much –

BRAZILE: I’m not undecided.

BROWN: Uncommitted?

BRAZILE: I’m undeclared.

BROWN: Undeclared. There you go. Well it sounds very much – Hey, no –

BRAZILE: Words matter.

BROWN: Words matter. It sounds very much to me tonight like you have made up your mind.

Outing Donna as an Obama supporter is not really news. What is news is that Donna was called on her fake neutrality while paymaster CNN was broadcasting. Maybe CNN will now remove Donna from commenting on CNN in the same manner they removed Paul Begala and James Carville.

The really big news of the night however was Donna expressing the Obama vision of the Democratic Party they wish to create after Paul Begala made this unremarkable statement:

BEGALA: But I think Hillary is still going to make the case that she can win those blue-collar white voters that Barack still can’t, that may very well along with Latinos be the key to this general election. That’s what’s so interesting about this primary, why I think it’s good for my party, because the voters who are in play in this primary are the exact voters who are going to decide the general election as well, working-class white folks and Latin Americans.

Donna reared at Begala’s statement and provided the full Obama vision of their Democratic Party:

BRAZILE: Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you’re looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

[David Axelrod of the Obama circus has also said The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don’t rely solely on those votes. Eriposte does a good job dismantling Axelrod’s argument and correcting the historical record.]

Perhaps Donna missed the 2004 election. Perhaps Donna missed the lessons of the 2004 election. Perhaps Donna is not reading the 2008 election returns. Vague promises to “expand the party, expand the base” ring hollow from Donna the Obama supporter. John Judis explains:

Indeed, if you look at Obama’s vote in Pennsylvania, you begin to see the outlines of the old George McGovern coalition that haunted the Democrats during the ’70s and ’80s, led by college students and minorities. In Pennsylvania, Obama did best in college towns (60 to 40 percent in Penn State’s Centre County) and in heavily black areas like Philadelphia.

Replace “Pennsylvania” with Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina and the results remain the same.

Obama lost whites in North Carolina (61% to 37%) and Indiana (60% to 40%). Obama’s vote in both states among African-Americans was 91% in North Carolina and 92% in Indiana.

Donna Brazile might want to wish away the importance of the white vote due to her lackluster campaign history. Perhaps Donna blames her failures on whites not voting for her candidates and is taken in by the audacity of hope. Pershaps Donna does not realize that Obama is not expanding his base but rather shrinking it. Whereas Obama won white male votes in California (55% to 35%) Obama mainly lost them in subsequent primaries (North Carolina 36%).

Donna also does not understand the fastest growing demographic – Latinos – and Obama’s inability to garner Latino votes (especially against a latino friendly McCain). Obama will not be accepted simply because Donna is so beguiling on CNN. Obama will be rejected.

Donna also seems oblivious to the divisions Obama has injected into the Democratic Party:

Forget the horse race numbers for a moment: if the surveys are accurate, the polarization within the Democratic Party has reached critical levels. Nearly six in ten Obama supporters in Indiana say they would be dissatisfied if Clinton were the nominee — that’s (I believe) the high percentage of Obama supporters who have ever said that.

In both IN and NC, two thirds of Clinton supporters say they’d be dissatisfied if Obama were the nominee — I believe that’s the highest number recorded for that question, too.

The percentage of Clinton voters who say they’d choose McCain over Obama in a general election is approaching 40% in Indiana. Put it another way: in North Carolina, less than HALF of folks who voted today for Hillary Clinton are ready to say today that they’d definitely vote for Obama in a general election.

We’ve had enough of fake “uniters not dividers”. We’ve had enough of “reformers” without results.

The nation cannot afford another indigestible waffle.

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916 thoughts on “Tiebreaker Indiana: Make Hillary 44

  1. ADMIN:

    Brazile has been outed (again) and it must be driven home that “White Flight” as never imagined before will occur as soon as Obama is named as the nominee. They won’t have to wait for November. The defection to the Independent Party will be en masse by Hillary supporters. Dissed for the last time, we will create a new Independent Party (and need to draft Hillary yesterday). There is strength in numbers, and the white, working-class, tired of being ignored will not stand for the Democratic Party to be hijacked without US taking drastic action. Count on that. Hear the rumble of the working class. It’s getting louder and louder.

  2. curiosityhasme, the problem as we see it is Obama.

    Obama will build a coalition unlike the Democratic Party which genuinely tries to expand, though regularly failing. A successful party has to bring African-Americans and Latinos and Whites and the middle and working classes of all races. Gays, youth, seniors must be included too. And Women.

    This Obama campaign has featured misogyny and gay-bashing. African-Americans who did not fall into line but courageously stood up for their individual choice were chastised or worse. Students for Hillary were mocked. Seniors were derided and gays were baited. Latinos to the Obama campaign have been a hindrance. Whites a problem to ignore or replace.

    Democrats of faith and gun owners were derided by Obama as bitter.

    The components of Obama’s small coalition are not the problem – the problem is Obama and his ugly vision.

  3. I liked that statement last night that Hillary made: Count those votes…..Count those votes

  4. It all comes down to the automatic delegates, or “super” delegates as the press likes to say.

    What Ed Koch said yesterday is key people:

    [i] believe that, if he is the Democratic candidate for president, Senator Obama will lose in November. There are many people in the Democratic Party and its leadership who feel that way. They are told that, nevertheless, the party must accept Obama even if he arrives at the convention with fewer committed delegates than needed to win the nomination. They say that to deprive him of victory under all of these circumstances would so enrage his supporters that they would either stay home in November or cross party lines and vote for Senator John McCain.

    Many superdelegates who will be making the decision to nominate the Democratic candidate will be told that they will permanently damage the party by causing a defection of the black vote if they deprive Obama of victory. There is no doubt that were the superdelegates to do what they were appointed to do – provide to the best of their ability a candidate who is perceived to be best able to win in November against the Republican candidate – they will be vilified by many Democrats if they do not select Obama.
    [/i]

    I have been hearing this time and time again with people who work closely automatic delegates. There is a perception by some in superdelegate land, that it doesn’t matter if we win in November or not. That we will be able to “expand” the democratic party with all of the Obama supporters that we won’t with Clinton. Of course, this is bs. It does, in fact matter, if we win the presidency. It matters in getting out of Iraq. It matters to our fragile environment. It matters if we have a supreme court that wipes out 50 years of civil rights progress.

    They want to kick out the people that have made this party what has made this party strong – blue-class workers. Workers that have stood by this party and helped create the strongest economic power in the world. Workers that stood up to their bosses and joined unions which created the best working conditions in this world, and which are trying to be undermined now. The elites of the party are dismissive to the people we are going to need in November – and it sickens me, for my party and for my country.

    It also is coming down to the money for the super delegates. A lot of the undecided Congress people see a lot more opportunity for cash for their campaigns through Obama. Even in areas which have gone overwhelmingly for Clinton. New politics my ass. It’s the same stuff, over and over again, and it’s a story as old as dirt. It’s about money.

    If we are going to win this thing people, we absolutely need to get to the phones today and call those unpledged automatic delegates and ask them for their support. Please be polite and enthusiastic, but firm in telling them that Hillary is the right choice for November.

    You can find the unpledged automatic delegates on this page: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Superdelegate_Transparency_Project.

    Just click on the state you are in and find out who your representative or DNC member is. Contact their district or campaign offices, don’t contact their DC offices.

  5. As I have before, if Obama gets the nomination, that will be the end of the Democratic Party on a national level. This means we have only won the White House 3 times (12 years) since 1968, not a good showing. If Democrats can’t take a little blood in the primaries, what are they going to do when Karl Rove machine hits them this summer, hell McCain is a war hero, with experience and respect. Karl will do to Obama what he did to Kerry. He made Kerry out to be some Communist (Kerry was a war hero himself). So this Summer and Fall will fun to sit back and watch.

  6. I just tried to post this, but it didn’t do it. I tried it again, and it said that I already posted it. I’ll try once more.

    It all comes down to the automatic delegates, or “super” delegates as the press likes to say.

    What Ed Koch said yesterday is key people:

    ” I believe that, if he is the Democratic candidate for president, Senator Obama will lose in November. There are many people in the Democratic Party and its leadership who feel that way. They are told that, nevertheless, the party must accept Obama even if he arrives at the convention with fewer committed delegates than needed to win the nomination. They say that to deprive him of victory under all of these circumstances would so enrage his supporters that they would either stay home in November or cross party lines and vote for Senator John McCain.

    Many superdelegates who will be making the decision to nominate the Democratic candidate will be told that they will permanently damage the party by causing a defection of the black vote if they deprive Obama of victory. There is no doubt that were the superdelegates to do what they were appointed to do – provide to the best of their ability a candidate who is perceived to be best able to win in November against the Republican candidate – they will be vilified by many Democrats if they do not select Obama.”

    I have been hearing this time and time again with people who work closely automatic delegates. There is a perception by some in superdelegate land, that it doesn’t matter if we win in November or not. That we will be able to “expand” the democratic party with all of the Obama supporters that we won’t with Clinton. Of course, this is bs. It does, in fact matter, if we win the presidency. It matters in getting out of Iraq. It matters to our fragile environment. It matters if we have a supreme court that wipes out 50 years of civil rights progress.

    They want to kick out the people that have made this party what has made this party strong – blue-class workers. Workers that have stood by this party and helped create the strongest economic power in the world. Workers that stood up to their bosses and joined unions which created the best working conditions in this world, and which are trying to be undermined now. The elites of the party are dismissive to the people we are going to need in November – and it sickens me, for my party and for my country.

    It also is coming down to the money for the super delegates. A lot of the undecided Congress people see a lot more opportunity for cash for their campaigns through Obama. Even in areas which have gone overwhelmingly for Clinton. New politics my ass. It’s the same stuff, over and over again, and it’s a story as old as dirt. It’s about money.

    If we are going to win this thing people, we absolutely need to get to the phones today and call those unpledged automatic delegates and ask them for their support. Please be polite and enthusiastic, but firm in telling them that Hillary is the right choice for November.

    You can find the unpledged automatic delegates on this page: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Superdelegate_Transparency_Project.

    Just click on the state you are in and find out who your representative or DNC member is. Contact their district or campaign offices, don’t contact their DC offices.

  7. This message from Hillary bears repeating:

    Tonight’s victory in Indiana was close, and a margin that narrow means just one thing: every single thing you did to help us win in Indiana helped make the difference.

    Every call you made, every friend you spoke to about our campaign, every dollar you contributed made tonight’s victory possible. And I couldn’t be more thankful for your hard work.

    Every time we’ve celebrated a victory, we’ve celebrated it together. And tonight is no exception. This victory is your victory, this campaign is your campaign, and your support has been the difference between winning and losing.

    Thank you so much for making this campaign possible. Let’s keep making history together.

    Sincerely,
    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  8. ADMIN:

    You are so correct. So……..what can be done when so many could care less about his corruption and dangerous associations? We have to face the fact that there is a growing coalition that has no respect for this country or its people. Many young people have no idea what they are signing up for. The only way to get the attention of this country is to wage an all-out protest to the DNC. Obama’s character is deeply flawed. The fact that THEY almost embrace this, is totally repugnant to the majority of Democrats. This is the most unfathomable, outlandish (starting to sound like Lou Dobbs) dilemna for MILLIONS of true-blue Democrats to find themselves in. But we CAN’T support Obama now or ever. He is despicable.

  9. Please keep in mind my comments are not a reflection of Hillary or her campagine, my comments are directed toward the Democratic esablishment, that wants the Clintons to be gone. They should watch what they wish for. The Clintons have/and can bring in alot money for the party, who can do that for them now??? Because if the Clintons are gone so is the $$$$. As we are seeing now, the party is having difficulty rasing money for the convention in Denver.

  10. BRAZILE: Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you’re looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
    *****************************************************
    Another democratic leader just gave another gem to the republicans. The GOP’s 527s will have a celebration on this statement alone from Donna Brazile.

    Arrogance, conceit and elitism will cause us to lose some big electorial college votes if Obama is the nominee. Donna Brazile made a statement that the Howard Dean/Obama wing of the party doesn’t need the Swing voter, their coalition of AAs, college students, the HARD Left (Communist, Marxist, Peta, Dem elites, Green Party and the rest) are the driving force from now on.

    FDR coalition and the Clinton coalition are dead to them. The Daley Machine is going national.

  11. I DID watch Morning Joe and am now swigging Pepto Bismol.
    If Obama wins the nomination do I:
    a) Abstain
    B) Vote from McCain
    c) Write in HRC.

    Tough decision. I am leaning toward B.
    Obama will NEVER get my vote

  12. Here comes the negative media talk/spin we hear after every primary…..the news stations should just copy their articles and record themselves and play it the next day after every primary.

  13. They all think she will drop out today! Pumkinhead thinks there will be a way for her to gracefully get out!

  14. It all comes down to the automatic delegates, or “super” delegates as the press likes to say.

    What Ed Koch said yesterday is key people, there are leaders in this party who are all but conceeding that Obama will loose the general, but you know what? They don’t care.

    I have been hearing this time and time again with people who work closely automatic delegates. There is
    a perception by some in superdelegate land, that it doesn’t matter if we win in November or not. That we
    will be able to “expand” the democratic party with all of the Obama supporters that we won’t with Clinton. Of course, this is bs. It does, in fact matter, if we win the presidency. It matters in getting out of Iraq. It
    matters to our fragile environment. It matters if we have a supreme court that wipes out 50 years of civil
    rights progress.

    They want to kick out the people that have made this party what has made this party strong – blue-class
    workers. Workers that have stood by this party and helped create the strongest economic power in the
    world. Workers that stood up to their bosses and joined unions which created the best working
    conditions in this world, and which are trying to be undermined now. The elites of the party are dismissive
    to the people we are going to need in November – and it sickens me, for my party and for my country.

    It also is coming down to the money for the super delegates. A lot of the undecided Congress people see
    a lot more opportunity for cash for their campaigns through Obama. Even in areas which have gone
    overwhelmingly for Clinton. It’s the same stuff, over and over again, and it’s a story as old as dirt. It’s
    about money.

    If we are going to win this thing people, we absolutely need to get to the phones today and call
    those unpledged automatic delegates and ask them for their support. Please be polite and enthusiastic, but
    firm in telling them that Hillary is the right choice for November.

    You can find the unpledged automatic delegates on this page:
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Superdelegate_Transparency_Project.

    Just click on the state you are in and find out who your representative or DNC member is. Contact their
    district or campaign offices, don’t contact their DC offices, they can’t take those calls.

  15. Confloyd….they do this after every primary…..lol…..it will go away after a few days.

  16. So sorry I double posted, I’m new to this. I don’t know why it wasn’t showing up before.

  17. invisigoth-
    welcome to the site. If you post with the h t t p colon / / your post gets caught in the spam filter.

    w w w is OK

  18. With his poor excuse for a frigate ablaze, ammunition low, most of his sailors dead or wounded, and surrounded by a host of enemy world battle class ships, when the commander of the British squadron asked John Paul Jones if he was ready to give up, Jones shouted back through the thick haze of gunpowder his now famous reply that would come to characterize the true American grit ” I have not yet begun to fight.” The rest is history. He went on to win a battle that the odds said he should have really lost.

    And so it is with Hillary Clinton. She has not yet begun to fight. Neither have we.

  19. Don’t watch any News because they calls to force Hillary out will be renewed.

    Jas, Team Obama and this includes the DNC believe Obama will be able to replace the Clintons in the money game because of their new coalition that DONNA BRAZILE outlined on CNN.

    NO LATINOS.
    NO BLUE COLLAR WORKERS–that includes the TEAMSTERS
    NO ASIANS
    NO SENIORS
    NO SWING VOTERS…i.e HILLARY CLINTON’s WING

    Howard Dean is going to run the RACE CARD express all the way thru the fall if Obama is the nominee.

  20. Good Morning everyone–
    Just got a call from a friend in Shepherdstown, WV– Hillary will be there this morning. She is excited and says people there are excited about it!
    She is probably skipping the media- since they are against her anyway and going straight to the voters.
    Go Hillary!

  21. How is this guy going to win with 37% of white vote. John McCain the author of comprehensive immigration bill is already posistioning himself well with Latinos in GE. I have a feeling that he would put CA into play. He has a pretty good chance of picking western states like NM, CO and we know BO has no chance of winning FL and OH. The Democratic lemmings are ready to walk over the cliff with the blessed one.

  22. The race comments by Dean that I heard yesterday (attacks on Obama are racist) and Braziles comments last night just shock me. I think that if Obama is the nominee will see the racial divide among voters only get worse. Instead of being an uplifting campaign it’s going to be the ugliest we’ve ever seen. I think it will be nothing but conflict. Obama thinks he can go back to his hope and change theme. That will never happen. My goal today is to get all my Obama friends and colleagues to understand that the issues we have with Obama are real and to believe that we will not vote for him—it’s not just a threat.

    That being said I hope Hillary continues onward–there is no reason to stop now…

  23. I see I’m not alone. I live in Western New York and most of my friends and co-workers strongly support Hillary. And the same group WILL NOT vote for Obama. Neither will I. Never.

  24. Is it over? All the media are saying it’s Almost Game Over for Hillary?

    What a minute wasnt it a tie-breaker in Indiana – that went for Hillary? However small of a margin – it still went for Hillary – look at the borderline between Illinois and Indiana and still ALL of the counties touching Illinois went for Hillary except for Lake – also look all the counties bordering Kentucky – again – WENT FOR HILLARY – and look at the Ohio/Indiana border – again? ALL WENT FOR HILLARY!

    What’s that?

    Also all t he base that Hillary’s won in Texas, Ohio, and RI, she continues to retain this base in Penn and again in Indiana and NC.

    Why isnt anyone saying Obama’s losing his base and FAST!

  25. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT DONT GIVE A DIME TO THE DNC.

    Per Donna Brazile revealing comments on what the NEW DEMOCRATIC COALITION will be, it will not be the “BIG TENT” philosophy of the past. I

    It will be the return to demagoguery and the loyalty test of the worst example of HARD LEFT politics…from the 20th century.

    Never in my life have I seen such blatant media propagada in a presidential election. It’s like the media class has decided again to select their candidate.

    Maybe because I don’t live in DC/NY area I have a different prospective but I do know this it is not a given for the Democrats and all this arrogance and conceit from the Howard Dean/Obama wing is not helpful.

  26. Anyone who wants a demonstration of Obama’s ‘new style politics’ needs only look to last night’s reporting of the results.
    Apparently, Obama supporters intentionally held back the results of Lake County in IN so that none of the networks could declare for HRC until well past primetime.
    Guaranteeing that all the coverage of the evening was Obama’s (expected) win in North Carolina–and not the upset they feared in IN–
    And, of course that is what the media continues to focus on today. Remember when Indiana was the tie-breaker? Apparently, NC (a state virtually in the bag for him demographically) was the tie-breaker!

    All those folks who think they’re voting for a new style black guy–should look behind the curtain where there’s an old style pudgy white guy named David Axelrod–who is REALLY running this thing

  27. Just turn that crap off. In a few days the chattering will subside, especially as we get closer to WV. Then after our win there, the tide will shift again back to us. DON’T YOU GET IT? The media is trying to decide the nomination for us, the people. If you give them the power to do so, they certainly will. Ignore it. Ask yourself, what would Hillary want us to do now? Of course, get down to work. We have a new state in less than a week. No time to lose. Don’t waste one day listening to the media garbage.

    In order to win a war, the army must have resources, a good commander, a winnable strategy and committed troops. And the most important of these are the committed troops. As long as they don’t lose heart, there is always still hope for victory. Often it is the army that has the most motivated soldiers that wins the day, even though they are lacking on all other fronts. And we are certainly not lacking of a good leader. So the rest is up to us.

    All this talk of war! I am glad it is only a political one and not with any real bloodshed.

  28. carbynew, I understand what you saying based on Donna Brazile outline I don’t fit in (neithe does my $$)

    With all due respect to the AA community, can they/do they have the financial means to support the Democratic Party?

    And did someone forget to Donna that Latinos are the largest growing minority in the US. and if the Democrats do not respect that , the Republicans will!!

    There is always two side to a card. Playing the race, card could and will back fire, remember Karl Rove has been playing this game longer than David Axelrod(sp) and will make Obama look like Domestic Terrorist like William Ayers!!

  29. So Obama said his father had an American flag draped over his father’s casket at the funeral. I sorry, I don’t believe it, I would have to see it for myself with a real picture with a young Obama standing there! He is such a liar!

  30. confloyd– apparently it was his grandfather, not father. Also, Hillary will be in Shepherdstown, WV this morning. She is moving onward and forward. Go Hill!

  31. carbynew- you are so right, DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO THE DNC.

    Clintondem99- I too beleive that FL will go to the Republicans, and if Hillary does not get the nomination so will NY, Yes I said NY, the Jewish vote is very powerful, they see Obama as a man they can not trust.

    What is the DNC thinking??? Oh, forget I said that, I know what they are thinking!!1

  32. romney is on msnbc, I hope McCain has better sense than to put that idiot with him on the ticket. Guillani would be better! I think they need a woman!

  33. I can’t believe some of you are letting the media feed you with their lies. You all should know better than that. Hillary is going to get this nomination and I will accept nothing less. Wasn’t Indiana supposed to be the tie breaker? Then all of a sudden the goal posts are being shifted? Hillary is winning next week in WV, Kentuck, PR. Please stop listening to the media and then coming here to quote them. We all should know better.

  34. Rer Mark Halperin from The Page. “GOP leaders warn party lacks message and money”. The call is out for the Republicans to start giving !

  35. “I can’t believe some of you are letting the media feed you with their lies. You all should know better than that. Hillary is going to get this nomination and I will accept nothing less. Wasn’t Indiana supposed to be the tie breaker? Then all of a sudden the goal posts are being shifted? Hillary is winning next week in WV, Kentuck, PR. Please stop listening to the media and then coming here to quote them. We all should know better.”

    Well things DO look bleak. Come on. It pains me to say it, but BO IS racking up the numbers.

  36. Caroline: Please stop listening to the media and then coming here to quote them. We all should know better.

    I have to wonder why some do that…bring bad news here not once, not even twice (we’ve all done that) …. but constantly.

  37. LadyJane: the media has done this for the past 3 months….the same mantra. I guess I am used to it by now.

  38. Hey people, the best thing you can do today is please, please, please contact the unpledged super delegates in your state and ask them to cast their ballot for Hillary. You have the power in your own state to do this.

    Be calm and positive, but make those phone calls! Please. Can I get a commitment from everyone? I know I’m new around here, but I’ve been helping out the campaign for quite some time.

  39. “Hey people, the best thing you can do today is please, please, please contact the unpledged super delegates in your state and ask them to cast their ballot for Hillary. You have the power in your own state to do this.

    Be calm and positive, but make those phone calls! Please. Can I get a commitment from everyone? I know I’m new around here, but I’ve been helping out the campaign for quite some time.”

    How would we go about doing that??

  40. FIRST! CONGRATS to everyone for the INDIANA victory!

    SECOND:

    The DNC strategy revealed.

    1 – Bradzilla oversees the RBC zealous over –sanctioning of Florida delegates, stripping the state of 100% instead of the 50% recommended in the rules book.

    2 – Bradzilla chairs a meeting of AA reps about how to usher in an AA presidency and the significance of that on AA politicians.

    3 – SC (with it’s huge AA population) and Nev are allowed to change their primary dates with no repercussions.

    4 – Racist labels affixed to Bill and Hillary by the 4th primary, SC.

    5 – BM in the tank for Waffles since December.

    6 – Deaniac refusing to consider the FL and Mi atrocities; refused to support Florida and Michigan plans for a revote; allows time to pass and make it impossible for a revote to occur.

    7 – Wright sermons throw a monkey wrench into the DNC Bradzilla/Deaniac sponsored strategy. All-out push to throw Jerry under the bus.

    8 – Problem solved with Deaniac announcing on National TV that any repub mention of Wright will result in accusations of racism by the Dems. (Like Repubs are afraid of that!)

    9 – Bradzilla announces that there’s a new Democratic coalition which effectively ignores 70% of current members and focuses ONLY on AA’s, college kids, Marxists, left-wingers and latte liberals.

    10 – Clyburn says HRC is trying to destroy Waffles. More race-baiting.

    11 – HRC wins Indiana and the chorus of drop out now for the sake of the party increase.

    CONCLUSION: If Waffles is nominated that’s the end of the Dem. Party.
    Please add to my somewhat chronologically scattered list.

    My sense is HRC takes it to the convention. She and Bill made the dems and they should be the ones to take them down. Just like Jerry took Barry down. And I have to say I gotta respect Wright for that.

    BTW – anyone heard a peep from him? Is he still alive?

    Also – I’m donating $100.44 today, for W.Va. I want HRC to go on no matter what the outcome.

  41. Caroline, There is nothing more I want than to see Hillary get the nomination, but I don’t think the SD see it this way, I am expecting to see more SD side with Obama today. Short of a scandel I do not have hope the Democrats will do the right thing. I beleive in Hillary and want her as 44, but I am also a realist. The only thing getting me throught today is knowing that Obama will be eated alive this fall!!!

  42. basil: Also – I’m donating $100.44 today, for W.Va. I want HRC to go on no matter what the outcome.

    I do too….fight to the end. I will be here blogging for her.
    But if we put the pressure and blog for her we do have impact. In fact I think we have much more impact than what we think.

  43. I meant to say….fight to the end so we can win the nomination. I EXPECT Hillary to win the nomination.

  44. I don;t know if this has been posted from
    http://www.correntewire.com/what_happened_tonight

    What Happened Tonight
    Submitted by FrenchDoc on Wed, 2008-05-07 03:02.

    My not-so-humble analysis of what happened to tonight with Indiana:

    What happened tonight:

    1. Mess with HRC’s supporters’ minds

    2. Try (and fail) at some run-of-the-mill cheating

    3. Delay as long as possible a call of Indiana for HRC

    4. Delay contributions that normally follow a win

    5. Push SDs over the fence to BO’s side

    6. Up the ante on WWTSBQ

    7. Major troll infestation at major HRC-supporting sites

    I think my point 1 worked very well: these results were exactly what was expected after all. Actually, it’s pretty bad news for BO. His base is young voters and AAs and that’s it. Can’t win that way.

    Heck, even BTD at TalkLeft took back his electability argument tonight.

    And yet, we all feel like we just took a beating.

    I should add that the collusion of the DNC, the Obama campaign and the media was never clearer than tonight.

    All in all, a pretty pathetic spectacle.

    How unelectable is Barack Obama? Let me count the ways:

    1. Can’t get decisive wins to end the primary

    2. Won’t allow for a resolution on Mi/Fl

    3. Alienates the core of the Democratic party

    4. Is now officially the “Black Candidate”

    5. Can’t win the primary decisively in spite of DNC support, $$$, media love fest, major “progressive” blogs adoration.

    Amend as necessary.

    I don’t know about you guy, but I feel like a battered woman, and tonight is the night I decided to walk away and not look back.

    Tomorrow, if HRC is still in the race, I’m contributing as much as I can.

  45. basil9, you summed it up correctly!!!

    You would think the Democrates would know what is in store for them this fall. I keep saying Karl Rove will stop atnothing. The Republicans have a war hero that is respected and who do the Democrats have, possibly the first AA canidate, that is not going to be enough.

    The Repblican know, no matter what they do or say it will be raceist so they will get that out front and on the table and deal with it, then what does Obama do??

  46. Good advice Invisigoth, on the superdelegate calls.

    Hillary is showing the way:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/07/clinton.westvirginia/index.html

    Sen. Hillary Clinton added a previously unscheduled campaign stop Wednesday in West Virginia, soldiering on after a split decision in Tuesday’s voting in Indiana and North Carolina, her aides said.

    The senator plans to appear at 11:45 a.m. at Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, West Virginia, Clinton aides told reporters about 3 a.m. Wednesday.

    Her daughter, Chelsea Clinton, had already been scheduled to speak at the university.

    The schedule announcement came hours after Clinton pledged to keep fighting for the nomination despite long odds.

  47. Lady Jane, and anyone who actually wants to do something pro active today, instead of just wringing their hands, you can find
    h t t p: / / w w w .sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Superdelegate_Transparency_Project.

    Click on your state, look to see who is undecided, find out what their district office is doing a quick search on the web and make that phone call. Also, call the HRC supporting delegates and thank them for their support.

  48. “Sen. Hillary Clinton added a previously unscheduled campaign stop Wednesday in West Virginia”

    I love Hillary! She is such a fighter.

  49. Emmy: “these results were exactly what was expected after all.”

    I too had thought of that yesterday (that trolls were here inflating the numbers beforehand to make TRY and make us feel deflated when the true results came in). I couldn’t imagine that we could take those states do huge.

    Thank you for stating it outright though. We also can’t be naive about how many obama supporters are on this site.

    It might get to the point that people need to email one another sensitive information so that obamabots cannot get their hands on it.

  50. start calling WV and KY. Find a way to blog into the local wv papers .. basil9 and others who are good at writing about how good Hillary is for the people.

    We have to control the media in WV.

  51. admin: soldiering on after a split decision

    Notice the media are stating a split decision instead of a VICTORY!

  52. Hey basil9,

    I’m all about the donations too! And thanks for that! Just trying to put out different ways people can get involved.

  53. It might get to the point that people need to email one another sensitive information so that obamabots cannot get their hands on it.

    Or I should say emailing admin.

  54. Why didn’t the pundits call out Obama on losing Penn, everyone she will do fine in the next few elections! SHE WON INDIANA PERIOD! I just want to find out more on why she didn’t have a bigger lead in Indian and what we can do to help her with that! We just need to donate again and make a lot of effort for her to win the next state WV and KY!

  55. Contribution Details
    Date: May 07, 2008 8:54 AM EDT

    Amount: $100.44

    NP invisigoth. We’re all doing what we can.

  56. Hillary is going to Denver. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. It’s a good move Hillary made by going to WV today even though she didn’t have anything planned today. Her move tells us that she is going to keep fighting for us and WE should keep fighting for her.

    Her demographics didn’t change and that is what we need to tell the SD’s when we write to them. Guys, don’t let the media choose our nominee. Donate, get on the phones, do whatever to get Hill’s message out. We will prevail. Even after the Obama thugs tried to steal Indiana from her, she still prevailed. She prevailed for a reason. He could easily have won Indiana, his neighbouring state but he didn’t and it’s for a reason. If Hillary can get up everyday and keep fighting for us, then we can do the same for her right?

  57. “She prevailed for a reason.”

    You are so right Caroline. We were able to curtail some of the games occuring last night because we questioned it and expected an answer and were willing to call them out on their fraud. The mayor finally had to give up the votes since the media started to question him and cnn had to push for it because it made them look like they had a part in it.

  58. basil9 Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    Emmy,

    Great post. And spot-on, especially 1 – 6.

    BTW, what’s WWTSBQ? When Will That Stupid Bitch Quit?

    (give Corrente the credit for that great post)

  59. EXCELLENT and encouraging post from William at TM.
    The media has been trying to get Clinton out of the race since before New Hampshire. They said that if she couldn’t win California, she was through. She won. They said that she had to win one of Ohio and Texas, then they said she had to win both of them, and she did. Then they said that she should get out anyway. Then after she won Pennsylvania, they said that she must leave. Now, after winning Indiana and losing North Carolina because they have 33% AA which went to Obama by 91-9@%, they are howling for her scalp like never before. This is of course because there are no more states for Obama to win. They can’t let her have the narrative on her side.

    What happened tonight was that she actually did better than she had done in most of the Southern States. And she won a key Midwestern state. As far as I know, Obama hasn’t won the White vote in a state since Wisconsin. And she will crush him in Kentucky and West Virginia. But…there are forces which are determined to nominate Obama, and only wanted the excuse of North Carolina to do it. That Obama won North Carolina does not say one positive thing about his electability. Clinton is much stronger vs. Obama than she was a month ago. But combatting the relentless anti-Clinton spin of the media is immensely difficult. Somehow a split decision night, where Obama once again had to rely on an overwhelming AA vote in a red southern state, is media spun into some kind of debacle for Clinton. I knew that they would do this before the upcoming primaries, whatever the result tonight.

  60. yikes emmy, never heard it quite like that before…..I’ll stick with ‘those darn rumors’ LOL

  61. dedfg Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 8:52 am
    It might get to the point that people need to email one another sensitive information so that obamabots cannot get their hands on it.
    Or I should say emailing admin.

    That’s been more or less handled. I think the safe, members-only site is politwix.com . Hillbillylover runs it.

  62. But we knew the goal posts would be changed after she won the ‘tie-breaker’, didn;t we?

  63. I wish this were a members-only site, now. But hey, let the Obama trolls know we are not giving up!
    Everything is media spin! (the trolls on TM last night were relentless.) Gotta go to work.

  64. I am on my way to early vote in WV. I am voting for my candidate Hillary Clinton and I am then changing to independent. Senator Clinton will be in Charleston WV tomorrow and I will be there. I have always voted for Democrats, but not this fall if my candidate is not the nominee. These Democrats (Obama, Donna Brazille, Howard Dean and more) does not care if they get the middle class vote or not. Well, they are not getting this vote.

  65. Why do I feel like we are in a movie. I was up until after 3am last night following this and it stinks and it hurts.

    The MSM was brutal to Sen. Clinton last night. I couldn’t even watch. The Republican channel, Fox, which was bad at times was still overwhelmingly better in commenting on last night’s elections.

    The fight that Donna Brazile had with Begala was more than telling. It confirmed what all of us here knew right away. This was and is a set up for Obama. We saw through the denials in her email.

    The ‘notion’ that the Dems can nominate someone who has not been able to win the White vote except for VA and WI is mind numbing.

    Sen. Clinton did good, she won a state that she shouldn’t have against all odds and she did not lose in a blow out in NC.

    Check the county maps, Obama won with AAs, liberal lattes only like 5-7 counties. Her base is deeper and broader. She carried White males in IN, seniors, women, economic issue etc

    And don’t get me started on what occurred in Gary, In, Lake County.

    I cannot and will not support OBama or the Dem party.

    I hope that Hill finds the strenght to carry on despite the odds and the stone throwers. She deserves her big wins in WV and KY.

    How long will the media be able to hid the fact that Obama cannot break out of his demographics.

    The Repubs are smiling and if there is any solace in this, I hope that they make mince meat of him and his supporters.

    Claire McCaskill- There is a special place in hell for her and Donna Brazile will be right there with her.

  66. There goes Fox alert Hillary loaned herself 6.4 million last month! I don’t care that just means we need to Donate more!

  67. winhillary, Drudge is reporting:

    Senator Clinton has made another multi-million dollar loan to her campaign. She gave $6.4M in the past month and will be giving more… Developing…

  68. FDR Action Item for today. Contact RBC and DNC members.
    Alice Germond 202/863-7183 germonda@dnc.org
    Mark Brewer 517/371-5410 mbrewer@mi-democrats.com
    Harold Ickes 202/887-6726 info@ickesenright.com
    Elaine Kamarack 617/495-9002 elaine_kamarck@Harvard.Edu
    1. Make a call – tell them how you feel as a voter, a Florida voter, and what you might do in the November General Election

    2. Send an email – text below:

    Email Text 1: Plea to seat the full Florida Delegation and have ALL votes counted

    I am first a US citizen and second a voter. I was not involved in ANY decision to move the Florida primary. But, I am being punished. This is wrong. As a leader, as a vanguard of the Democratic party, there comes a time when one must consider a change in position when that position threatens the party and the future of the United States. I am making a personal appeal, in consort with voters from Florida and across this great nation, to reverse the SEVERE sanctions and seat our delegates and count my vote. I welcome your response.

    Email Text 2: Those who have or are considering changing party affiliation

    I have been a proud democrat. Yet I watch, with dismay and with frustration, the inability of our party to come together. I fell not only disenfranchised but as a pawn in a political tug-of-war. Because of this I have or will change party affiliation. I have carefully considered this and it is not an easy decision. But, you and others in the party leadership have simply waited too long and cast me aside.

    Email Text 3: Those who will not vote for a 48-state Democratic nominee

    I can not support a 48-state candidate. This will affect my vote come November, in the General Election. If Florida’s delegation is not seated, if my vote, along with 1.75 million others, is not recognized, I find it difficult to support the Democratic nominee. If my vote is not respected by my own party, perhaps another party will respect it.

  69. “I beleive in Hillary and want her as 44, but I am also a realist.” BS! You are a defeatist. Take it elsewhere please. We are in this to win.

    Our Dearest Basil, love your summation of events concerning the “The Grinch who Stole the Party.” Given the predictement we now find ourselves in, it is imperative that we fight like there is no tomorrow (as there may be no tomorrow for the Party if Dean & Co has their way.) My brother once told me that if a boy fights his darn best, even if he loses, he most likely won’t get picked on again. I want to either win or give this Party a licking it won’t forget for a long long time. Kind of a replica of the 1860 Democratic convention. Then they just might think twice before trying to pull another fast one like this year.

  70. paddy4Hill Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 9:30 am
    “I beleive in Hillary and want her as 44, but I am also a realist.” BS! You are a defeatist. Take it elsewhere please. We are in this to win.

    LMAO.

  71. confloyd, imagine those 2 pictures side by side, Obama’s fathers coffin draped in the american flag and Ayres stomping on it. Would make a great ad for the republicans.

    This is what Obama and his friends think of the American flag.

  72. I AM DONATING A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY RIGHT NOW! PERIOD! SHE WILL GET MORE SUPPORT NOW FOR THOSE HEADLINES!

  73. Well, I think we all should know the media is fighting for the republicans, that is a given. The stupid half of this party is playing into their hands and Hillary is out there fighting odds that are unbelieveable to save the party.
    My dad just woke up and this is the first time I have seen him since 4pm yesterday and the first thing out of his mouth is that Hillary did not do well last night! I told she actually did very well, but if my dad believed the media spin, how many others will?
    I read last night on TM, that something big is coming out on Obama this week, I think the media will hold on it, just to try an get the nomination sewed up before the mess hits the fan that will assure McCain a victory! The republicans are crafty and they are afraid to run against Hillary, they want to run against Bambi, easy kill!

  74. I know Confloyd…..as we now know, that’s why they delayed the votes for IN so that we could have 3 hours of bo on tv.

    Notice how in guam, it was a victory with only 7 votes…but IN is a split decision.

  75. moonpluto, we sure could use some 527’s to do just that. what is wrong with these white people and AA’s that have lost their head over this guy? My biggest question is where is Obama getting his money. I have been watching tv for the last hour and have seen dnc ads against Mccain 3 times in the last hour.

  76. Stayed up until the Chicago REZKO Gang gave the Gary mayor the signal to release some vote results.The American Voting Process is being hijacked by MSM,the Black movement and the White educated but stupid Elitists.
    Don’t for a minute ,believe that Jeramhia,and Obama are at odds.This takeover scheme has been planned for many years.Back when Obama chose Chicago to launch his drive to the Whitehouse.Just look at his supporters and money launderers.How many times have we seen the Videos of Jerry spewing his evil sermons and the worshippers went wild uncontrolled cheering and war dances.Obama also contributed 26K to keep the pot boiling.Jerry gets the Mansion,10 million tainted dollars and the pleasure of seeing HIS BLACK MAN become President.THAT DAY WILL NEVER COME. Rev.SVENGALI,it will never happen as your group hopes.Poor MLK your work,your sweat,your courageous fight to be free al last and all of your prayers are now in danger.taken apart by a group of FALSE PROPHETS. Shame on our great Democracy,for allowing this to happen,before our very eyes.

    ABM90 A VERY SAD and ANGRY DAY PATRIOT

  77. paddy4hill,
    “if a boy fights his darn best, even if he loses, he most likely won’t get picked on again. I want to either win or give this Party a licking it won’t forget for a long long time.”
    My feelings, exactly. There are 3 options, as I see it.
    1 – HRC is the nominee and she wins the presidency
    2- HRC isn’t the nominee and she starts a 3rd party OR there’s a massive write-in campaign.
    3- HRC isn’t the nominee and her supporters vote for McCain.

    Waffles loses the GE in any case and that’s a net plus. The dream scenario is HRC is 44. Back-up scenario is keeping Waffles out of 1700 Penn. Avenue. 😈

  78. dedfg, I hope this stuff comes out in the next couple of days. Well if the SD’s don’t come out this week by the dozen we will know that something is up with Bambi. There’s nothing holding them up now, except that they are worried about more skeleton’s! I am so looking forward to watching Bambi taken down. I can’t remember anything that I would like better to see right now!

  79. COnfloyd,

    Do you have a link to that TM post?

    ABM90. I agree about the Jerry sacrifice being fabricated.

    BTW – WHATEVER happened to Jerry? Is he still alive?????????

  80. Listen everyone, there are thousands and thousands of Hillary supporters out there! They know what is going on! They can see the biased media and they all are pissed right now! They in Indiana voted for her last night and they wake up to all this media crap! Trust me they have friends in other states, this will be a new record turn out for her in the next few primarys. I know that most people can see is demographics and SHE F ING WON INDIANA! He lost every big state that you have to have to win an election period! She will not drop out and we need to get on those phones and get on it with the supers. I will go to that sight above and call these supers, you can get the vibe on what they say and get ideas on who they are going to vote for!

  81. MIKA sure has been getting jollies this morning on JOE.This woman must have the same affliction as Matthews ( Self induced
    romantically inspired RESTLESS THIGHS SYNDROME ) at the sight or mention of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Her brother works for the BO campaign.Bet she would like to do his laundry,just to be near. MSNBC,CNN,and yes FOX,you may keep trying but you will never see him in the WHITEHOUSE.

    BY ABM90

  82. basil….and FDR

    I sent my emails out just now!

    going to start sending emails to the SD next

  83. Clinton Will Not Be Pressured
    First Read: “In calls with undecided party leaders this morning, we are not sensing any urgency for Clinton to make a campaign decision this week; she’s going to be given plenty of breathing room. Don’t expect a HUGE rush of big name superdelegates to Obama’s side. If he picks a bunch of folks, they’ll be the lesser-known folks, the ones who want some early credit for getting on the bandwagon. ”

    Marc Ambinder: “Absent an extraordinary intervening event, the question for Hillary Clinton now is how she ends the race. Obama has made it clear that he will not pressure her. It’s her decision.”

  84. plural Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 9:32 am
    But I thought he was far too polite to Brazile and let her filibuster over him.

    ************************
    I feel that this is one of the main problems with Hill’s campaign. They are far too nice to Obama and the media. Obama’s surrogates have no problem sticking a knife into her and twisting it.

    lanny Davis is one of the nices, sweetest eyes and they skewer him. Paul Begala should have responded much more forcefully to Brazile’s shit last night.

    The latte sipping liberals want to take over the party and we can not win with out Blue Collar workers.

    I’m looking for one of my credit cards right now to donate.

    I thinkt hat Clinton let this get out there as a way to get and gauge our support.

    Guys/gals, dig deep and donate.

    I’m so pissed right now.

  85. did anyone else catch all the sexist background language on CNN last night.

    Jamal and his aunt’s extra appendage? Donna Brazille is the reason we lost in 2000. ’nuff said. she’s old news, which is why she’s on CNN and running a campaingn

  86. I think it’s funny what a landslide Guam was, while Indiana is split and somehow a loss for her even though she won.

    The mayor of Hammond, BTW, was really well spoken on CNN last night. The kind of person you want on your side.

  87. I am from Missouri, I called the Democratic canidate for Govenor, I told them I did not fit into the new Democratic demographics and I could not longer support his campaign.

  88. “Marc Ambinder: “Absent an extraordinary intervening event, the question for Hillary Clinton now is how she ends the race. Obama has made it clear that he will not pressure her. It’s her decision.””

    This is just some clever trash. They are sending the biggest wave they can today against Hillary. Brace yourselves for the big typhoon. In a couple days it will blow over and the sunny skies will once again appear once we win WV WHICH IS JUST 6 DAYS FROM NOW.

    So keep this trash off of our site please. We don’t want the trolls, Hillary supporters or even Hillary herself to read this kind of junk here. Thank you for your cooperation.

  89. does anyone know how Hillary’s speech crowd compared to BO last night?

    I visited the link posted above with that incredible picture of BO crowd….pretty funny stuff there! 😀

    but i wanted to know how much bigger hills crowd was than his and is there a contrasting picture for her event???

    might be a good side by side to start posting

  90. I say everyone that feels as I do …. call your local and state canidates and explain how you feel.

  91. true 2 party

    I did catch jamals remark last night as well as the other pundits reaction to it…….they were all disgusting!

  92. well guys…… I have a ton of work i need to work on today, will check in later

    keep your chins up! the heavenly skies are still parted and the angel choirs are still singing(LOUDLY i might add)……and the glory light is still shining down on US/Hillary!!!

    why else would they be going into full assault mode today? 😀

    that mere fact alone is reason to have faith that hillary is as strong as ever!!!

  93. And I am off to bedlam. It has been a very long Wednesday. One week from now will make all the difference in the world. Thank goodness.

  94. JAS you might have a great point. We are all here to support Hillary, but we are watching our party being ripped apart at the seams and feel helpless….Call your Democratic party and elected officials and let them know how disinfranchised we feel and that since they do not want us, we can no longer support them.

  95. //www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/6/221614/3546

    The complete transcript of Bradzilla telling Begala the democrats no longer need

    WHITE BLUE-COLLAR VOTERS!!!!!!!!!

    Well, this WHITE voter will NEVER vote in WAFFLES and will campaign to get McCain elected. 👿

    After errands I’m gonna compile a list of Bradzilla and Deaniac comments PROBVINMG they’ve been privately supporting Waffles for months.

  96. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/6/221614/3546

    The complete transcript of Bradzilla telling Begala the democrats no longer need

    WHITE BLUE-COLLAR VOTERS!!!!!!!!!

    Well, this WHITE voter will NEVER vote in WAFFLES and will campaign to get McCain elected. 👿

    After errands I’m gonna compile a list of Bradzilla and Deaniac comments PROBVINMG they’ve been privately supporti

  97. dijia,

    I watched HRC’s victory speech and the crowd was FIRED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    They kept shouting “COUNY OUR VOTES”

    And the speech happened around 10pm which shows the networks knew THEN that she’d taken Indiana.

  98. GOOD NEWS from WVA and KY!!!!!

    (from ironman at TM)
    Numbers from Real Clear Politics:

    Kentucky Democratic Primary SurveyUSA Clinton 62, Obama 28 Clinton +34.0

    West Virginia Democratic Primary Rasmussen Clinton 56, Obama 27 Clinton +29.0

    She WILL regain the overall popular vote lead – in a BIG way – in these two primaries!

    Seat Florida and Michigan!

  99. We have always heard sh*t flows downhill..Well maybe this time with massive phone calls to our elected (Democratic) officials and let them know how MAD we are that the party does not need us anymore, we can make that sh*t flow to the top and make some noise.

  100. So let’s make it campaign “Shit flows uphill” make our calls, let our voices be heard, at the local and state levels 🙂

  101. OK I DONT HAVE ALL OF CALIFORNIA YET BUT PLEASE EVERYONE CALL TODAY AND MAKE YOUR POINT! I WILL KEEP POSTING THESE UNTILL WE GET ANSWERS AND I WILL TO CALIFORNIA UNDECLARED TODAY HERE ARE THE NUMBERS AND SOME DONT HAVE ONE MAYBE YOU CAN FIND THEM! PLEASE WE NEED TO CALL OBAMAS SUPPORTERS ARE CALLING THEM PLEASE RIGHT NOW!
    THE NUBER IS BELOW THE SUPERDELEGATE!

    Jerry McNerney, a Democrat, has represented the 11th Congressional District of California in the House of Representatives since 2007.
    Contact number for Jerry McNerney 1-202-225-1947 undeclared

    Fortney Hillman “Pete” Stark Jr. , a Democrat, has represented the 13th District of California in the United States House of Representatives

    Contact 1-202-225-5065

    Michael Makoto Honda, a Democrat, has repesented the Fifteenth Congressional District of California, in the U. S. House of Representatives

    Contact Washington, DC 20515
    Phone: 202-225-2631

    Sam Farr, a Democrat, has represented the 17th District of California in the U. S. House of Representatives since 1993.

    CONTACT 1221 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515
    Phone: 202-225-2861
    Fax: 202-225-6791

    James Manuel “Jim” Costa, a Democrat, has represented the 20th Congressional District of California in the U. S. House of Representatives

    CONTACT DC Office:
    1004 Longworth House Office Building
    Washington, DC 20515
    Phone: 202-225-3341 Bakersfield Phone: 661-869-1620 Fresno: 559-495-1620
    Fax: 202-225-9308
    Email: congressmanjimcosta AT mail.house.gov

    Howard Lawrence Berman, a Democrat, has represented the 28th District of California in the House of Representatives since 1983
    CONTACT Phone: 202-225-4695, Fax: 202-225-3196, Email: howard.berman AT mail.house.gov

    Henry Arnold Waxman, a Democrat, has represented the 30th congressional district of California in the U.S. House of Representatives
    CONTACT Phone: 202-225-3976
    Dr. Robert “Bob” Filner, Ph. D., a Democrat, has represented the 51st Congressional District of California in the U. S. House of REPS
    CONTACT Phone: 202-225-8045 Fax: 202-225-9073
    Susan A. Davis, a Democrat, has represented the 53rd District of California in the U.S. House of Representatives since 2001.
    CONTACT Phone: 202-225-2040 DC
    Edward Espinoza Cant find contact but California district
    Inola Henry
    Rep. Howard Berman, 28th Congressional District
    14546 Hamlin Street, Suite 202, Van Nuys, CA 91411
    Phone: 818-994-7200, Fax: 818-994-1050
    Aleita Huguenin SHE HAS ENDORSED HILLARY BUT IT IS WAVERING
    I can’t find her number but she is from california and is a super delegate
    Christine Pelosi is the daughter of Nancy Pelosi and the author of Campaign Boot Camp (2007), a guide to successful campaigning
    Cant find number please find and ask! Good luck Nancy Pelosi’s daughter!

  102. We sure need to remind Wva and Kentucky that Donna and co. doesnt need the base of the party anymore. We are essentially not needed or wanted. Why is no one talking about the support he has in middle eastern countries?

  103. These pundits on CNN need to get fired. I mean this morning I heard that Obama has won more votes than any other democratic nominee ever. Hillary did that last week and they refused to report it. I am sick of these guys and will be glad when she calls them on their bias. Certainly Bawaak has done, why not Clinton!

  104. My biggest disappointment is David Gergan because he seemed like he had more intregrity at first.

  105. confloyd,

    I haven’t turned on the TV today and I don’t intend to do so until HRC wins the GE!

    😈

    How your hubby?

  106. you know what all of you and me ,,, THE HILL SUPPORTERS

    SORRY TO BE RUDE

    but may be we should be making phone calls,,,,
    e-mailing SD and raising money for hillary rather than wasting time here blogging and wasting our time on obama negative talk , ITS THE MATH THAT AMERICA IS LOOKING AT ,,,NOT OUR BLOGS

    I AM MAD AT THE MEDIA ,,,WHOLE PAST WEEK ,THEY WERE KISSING OBAMA ,,,SO OFCOURSE OBAMA WON ,,,

    come on people ,whats wrong with us

    we need to unite and use our efforts positively ,,,

    LETS MAKE CALLS

    LETS RAISE MONEY

  107. I CALLED AND THE PHONE PERSON SAID IN NO WAY COULD I SPEAK TO Jerry McNerney

    Write to this address he will get your letter! CALIFORNIA REP
    312 CANNON HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINTON 20515

  108. WinHillary – thanks for the phone numbers

    Wish we all would boycott biased TV, radio, cancel biased mag and newspaper subscriptions and just concentrate on helping Hill!

    This household and many of our friends did that months ago – not that we ever did watch those yakking morons much – TV and junk journalism is what exists because it’s what the people look at. If we all dumped them, they’d have to shape up. When we called to cancel the Boston Globe last fall, we believed we were probably a teensy far out minority, but the woman who asked for our reason said, “No, it’s happening a lot. There are thousands of you!”

    So, I say, Dump ‘em!
    The people have power; they just don’t use it.
    We could bring down gas prices if we organized a general strike – nobody goes to work till the gas prices come down.
    And Hillary supporters could bring the whole hierarchy to its knees if they had a will to do it.

    Where’s Ronald? Hey, Ronald, Hillary Rodham Clinton is our next president!

    $100.44

  109. I HAVE BEEN SAYING ,

    OBAMA SUPPORTERS THEY ORGANIZE AND FOLLOW EACH OTHER

    and they set the goal and they meet it

    may be i am wrong ,,,

    but right now ,,right here

    we need to write down whoever visits here who is hill supporter

    choose a leader and leader sets the goal

    and everyone reports how many calls they made or how much they were able to raise

    how hard that can be

  110. Or write to them and it seems like that is the only way but if you call they will give you thier email address and dont tell the phone person who you are supporting, I guess or do. I just feel like maybe the phone person will be biased or against your supporter and not relay the message!

  111. winhillary

    lil ole grape

    dedfg
    JAS
    basil9
    true2party
    confloyd
    paddy4Hill
    meiyingsu
    1950democrat

    DJ54

  112. everyone ,,,

    pls name a person who u wanna see as a goal maker or leader ,,,
    lets start right now

  113. as we expect, loser calls her quit again.

    Former Senator George McGovern has reversed his endorsement of Senator Hillary Clinton and urged her to drop out of the race for president following her showing in Indiana and North Carolina…

    McGovern says he now endorses Barack Obama. He was the Democratic nominee in 1972, when he lost to then-President Richard Nixon.

    McGovern himself was instrumental in the current nominating process, which weighs caucuses and primaries more heavily than superdelegates. He was named chairman of a Democratic Commission on Party Structure and Delegate Selection in 1969. In part, due to his urging, the commission cut back the power of party officials and insiders and increased the roles of caucuses and primaries.

  114. winhillary

    i say winhillary will set goals everyday

    and will tell everyone who comes here new of what to do

    will keep track of what,s going to hapen

  115. sonya,

    i don’t understand what this means;
    ‘pls name a person who u wanna see as a goal maker or leader ,,,
    lets start right now’

    Personally, i donated 4100, posted the fdr action item, emailed the 4 SD’s on that list and started doing snail-mail follow-ups.

    Gotta go now but if you’re saying someone should be in charge here well, I have no problem if it’s you!

    Lst us know. 😀

  116. basil9 Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 11:22 am
    sonya,

    i don’t understand what this means;

    NO NO ,,NOT ME

    I AM NEW HERE

    HARDLY 2 WEEKS

    BUT MAY BE U

    OR WINHILLARY ,,,

    SOMEONE WHO SETS A GOAL OF THE DAY

    AND GETS IT DONE ,,,

  117. Ed Koch’s article hits the nail on the head better than anything I’ve read. The major disconnect going on here is Hillary wants to win in November, and firmly believes she’s the only Dem who can. Many Dems, however, care more about fairy-tale bullshit like “party building,” not realizing that if you don’t win in November you don’t expand the party.

    Here’s a money quote from today’s WaPo:

    A Clinton adviser said the situation was increasingly becoming one in which “she cannot be nominated and he can’t get elected.”

    I know you guys hate the first part of that, but the second part reveals what’s driving her. She’s absolutely convinced Obama can’t win in November.

  118. Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President.

    She won the tie breaker and she needs our help to get the nomination. She’s ready to win the next few states. We can help by calling Oregon where they are now voting by mail. Send HillRaiser emails to everyone. Even $5 helps. Write and call – focus on upcoming voters not the media.

    I have two words for anyone who says Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race: New Hampshire.

    No wait, I have two more words: Fuck you.

  119. It seems to me that when i call the supers office they will not let me speak to them, so they give me addresses to contact them. Ok can anyone lay out a good format for me, so i can just mail it to all the supers. I as you can see am a horrible writer and would love someone here to make a strong powerful message that i can just copy on nice paper and mail. Thank you and please respond.

  120. Barack Obama does not speak for me. He claims to be a different kind of politician but he is not. Pull back the curtain and you see that he is coldly calculating and deceptive. He is very good at it -but he does not offer a new kind of politics. From the lies and attacks he has put forth against Clinton from the beginning of his campaign, to his shifting stance on Rezko and Wright, to his denials about NAFTA and even the cornerstone of his campaign- IRAQ, this man speaks with a silver forked tongue. He tells everyone one what they want to hear- in beautiful rhetorical language while doing exactly what he accuses others of behind the scenes. He won his first election to the state senate by having his opponent’s name taken off the ballot by contesting the nominating signatures. He won his senate seat by revealing his opponents divorce records. All the while financed by the slum landlord Rezko- I guess that’s his idea of community organizing.

    Who the hell is he to point a finger at Hillary Clinton? Where is the media? Why is SNL the ONLY outlet to see the transparent idiocy and comedy in this? Why is the media treating Hillary Clinton the way they treated Al Gore in 2000 and WHY is everyone buying it? Once again, the experienced knowledgeable, tested candidate is deemed too boring, too nerdy, too un-likable.

    Hillary is not perfect. BUT, unlike Obama, Hillary does not pretend to be someone that she isn’t. She doesn’t put on airs as the new messiah. She doesn’t say change and hope and hope for change. She specifically explains what she has done, what she will do and why.

    The kids don’t get it. I’m not a believer. I’m a thinking adult.

    Hillary Clinton speaks for me.

  121. Wow Ronald that was damn good! I think I will make it and put a little more nice in it but all the words with it! Your great! lol and very to the point!!!!!

  122. “Why is the media treating Hillary Clinton the way they treated Al Gore in 2000 and WHY is everyone buying it? ”

    Yes, you are correct. We lament about Gore, yet here we are doing it again.

  123. SONIA4HILLARY, there are a lot of good “voices” here on this blog, you and winhillary are great examples. visit sight every day and read as much as I can and am inspired by all who blog here..I am not much of a blogger myself but feel that each and every one of you write how I feel thanks to all of you

  124. DJ54

    Thank you, I often don’t blog because I am mostly reading the people here blogging, and wow they are my insperation! There are people on here that have been blogging for over a year and they are serious! Please stay on and do what you can, I am a bad writer so I get embaressed to type but they really have been so great please give all a thanks and I give all the thanks to everyone here, I don’t know how I could have handled the stress without having a way to vent and get informed! My husband would have killed me by now! lol!

  125. thanks

    sorry

    i had to go

    i have my mother in law and father in law live with me ….

    so i had to go downsatirs and give them breakfast ,,,,

    i am back

    someone pls tell me ,,

    what to do today ?????

    i will ask my hubby and donate $500 from his cc ,,,,

    but tell me what to do ,,,

  126. Check out this astrology for Obama:

    Transiting Uranus is still a full degree away from opposing Obama’s natal Mars and is forming a quincunx to his progressed Mercury and Mars in his 12th House of Secret Enemies. If Obama is already having problems with people he thought he could trust, imagine what will happen as this transit becomes more exact.

    Currently, transiting Jupiter in Capricorn happens to be exactly trine Obama’s natal Mars, giving him the courage and presence of mind to denounce Reverend Wright. Jupiter will turn retrograde on May 9, and then backs away from this favorable celestial support. As Jupiter wanes as a protective influence, transiting Uranus gets ever closer to the opposition to his Mars. This spells trouble for his campaign.

  127. People, the best place to contact the super delegates is at their local offices or their campaign headquarters. They are not suppose to be taking these kind of calls in DC.

    The California numbers:
    For Jerry McNerney, his campaign phone number is: 925 833 0643.

    For Pete Stark, campaign: (510) 657-8831

    Mike Honda, district office 408-858-8085

    Sam Farr, district office: 831-429-1976

    Jim Costa, campaign:
    (559) 252-2004

  128. dedfg Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 11:40 am
    “Why is the media treating Hillary Clinton the way they treated Al Gore in 2000 and WHY is everyone buying it? ”

    Yes, you are correct. We lament about Gore, yet here we are doing it again.

    i agree

    may be we should be telling them this exact thing ,,

    het don,t miss out on another gore for another bush=obama

  129. Paula Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 11:54 am
    Check out this astrology for Obama:

    oh paula

    if thats true

    i am telling u ,,
    free tires for ur car on me

  130. Called the address to Farr has changed

    Sam Farr, a Democrat, has represented the 17th District of California in the U. S. House of Representatives since 1993.

    CONTACT 1314 Longworth House Office Building Washington, DC 20515
    Phone: 202-225-2861
    Fax: 202-225-6791

  131. Good morning all. I am convinced most people excluding the media, see this as another victory for HRC. My neighbor, a republican, told me “she did pretty good last night huh?” and I think most people will see that she WON Indiana, and average Americans don’t play the expectations games. I have the Rocky Themesong playing in my head. This woman is fine. We win KY and WV, and it is looking all the better for us. But we have to at least try in Montana and South Dakota and especially Oregon, let’s not forget, South Dakota and Montana are the last 2 contests in the continental US and we should at least win one so it doesn’t give him a 2 state win on that day. PR is last, and lookin good. Although I think HRC should visit PR, at least the capital San Juan. And she should travel to Pierre and Sioux Falls and into the smaller western towns in South Dakota. And at least make a few more stops in Missoula, Billings, and Helena, AA in montana, not many, are mostly in Great Falls. Latinos are in Billings. Let’s pull one of these off. Let’s make sure we donate to ensure she can make these stops. Off to Chinese Foreign Policy, but let’s GET TO WORK.

  132. Yes, phone calls to the SDs are difficult. So many walls. But I think we must keep trying and also send letters – lots and lots of letters with bundles of petitions. You can create your own petitions and use them in your communities. A small bundle a day gathered outside the local supermarket, post office, etc.

    Re letters to the SDs, please remember that nobody has time to read long rants no matter how full of facts. They know the facts. Short and simple gets attention.

    How about something like:
    “If we have to have another Republican president, there will be a massive exit from the Democratic Party and it will run all the way down ticket. You know it. We know it. Hillary Clinton is the only one who can unite us all.

  133. Many of you here have nailed it already.

    The bullshit meter on a 1-10 is a million.

    Fuck’em all.

    Hill & Bill know better. She ain’t going nowhere….

  134. i think following people are responsible for hill,s win/loss

    1.edwards(last minute interview ,more positive with obama)
    2.puke face pelosi (discouraging average american from voting for hillary)
    3,whole cnn except LOU DOBBS
    4,MSNBC EXCEPT JOE

    AND THE ONEMOST DIRTIEST ,,,KIETH ,,WHO TURNED A BEAUTIFUL INTERVIEW OF HILLARY WITH O,RIELY INTO SOMETHING NEGATIVE WHERE LIBERALS WHO DID VOTE FOR HILLARY ,,,,DID NOT AND WENT FOR OBAMA

  135. Rules and Bylaws Committee membership

    With the news that the challenges to the DNC decisions on Florida and Michigan will be heard by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) on May 31st, the next question, of course, is, who is on the committee and who do they support?

    Here is the list:

    Co-Chairs – no endorsement
    Alexis Herman (co-chair, Washington , D.C. )
    James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, Massachusetts )

    Members – Clinton supporters (12)
    Hartina Flournay (DC)
    Donald Fowler (SC)
    Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)
    Alice Huffman (CA)
    Ben Johnson (DC)
    Elaine Kamarck (MA)
    Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
    Mona Pasquil (CA)
    Mame Reiley (VA)
    Garry Shay (CA)
    Elizabeth Smith (DC)
    Michael Steed (MD)

    Members – Obama supporters (8)
    Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
    Carol Khare Fowler (SC)
    Janice Griffin (MD)
    Thomas Hynes (IL)
    Allan Katz (FL)
    Sharon Stroschein (SD)
    Sarah Swisher (IA)
    Everett Ward (NC)

    Members – no known endorsement (8)
    Donna Brazille (DC) we all know who she endorses!
    Mark Brewer (MI)
    Ralph Dawson (NY)
    Yvonne Gates ( NV)
    Alice Germond (DC) – DNC Secretary
    Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)
    David McDonald (WA)
    Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)

  136. Hi Sonia,

    You’re right, it’s time to work…my plan for the day? I’m from Ohio, I am contacting every superdelegate with emails/phone calls and asking them to vote for Hillary. Fine tuning it to each one’s interests.

  137. Some have called my posts negative in the past, but perusing through here last night, I saw many similar posts while I remained upbeat. We were down in NC at times b/t 16.6 and 20%. Although the gap narrowed, we (Hillary) was never going to get the AA vote. The more the media discusses the Rev. Wright thing, the more blacks seek to protect their man. To some it’s black pride, to me, it just as bad as if 92% of white voted for Hillary. YOu would hear the Sharptons, Jacksons, and others crying foul.
    Next, Indiana was going to be close . Early results excited us as she had a 14% lead, but as we have seen, these often are unpredictable. She pulled it out, and a win is a win. The fact that the corrupt people in Gary made her wait all night was beyond reprehensible. Still, she gave a greatr speech and has no reason to drop out.
    I think we face some very high hurdles, but still not impossible. I was touched by the emotion between Hillary, Bill and Chelsea. Bill wants it sl bad for her and has worked so hard despite the unfair media coverage compared to Mrs. Obama’s outrageous race comments.

  138. Effing MSNBC still calling Hill ‘apparent winner’ in IN.

    Norah O’Donnell being a good little company girl.

    Turn it off folks. I am.

  139. The fact that the corrupt people in Gary made her wait all night was beyond reprehensible.

    Couldn’t agree more.

  140. The democrat party is dead to me now.

    I am going to register Independent. When Hillary gets the nomination, I will vote for her in November.

    If not, I will throw my vote away and actively campaign and financially contribute against BHO. I will not abstain or vote for any republican.

  141. I’m pretty sure that ‘waiting in Gary’ was about one trying to steal it outright, a plan that may have been aborted only when CNN pressed the mayor live to explain the unexplainable delays.

    It had the added benefit of not detracting from BO in NC in terms of coverage, where it was a 6 hour lovefest for BO on the air, and sometime after midnight Hill’s finally named the winner.

  142. GUYS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY ALL SAID THE LETTERS WILL BE READ AND WE NEED TO SEND THEM PRONTO! STAMPS ARE EXPENSIVE BUT SAMS CLUB OR COSTCO HAVE THEM IN BULK. IM DOING CALIFORNIA DELEGATES SO REMEBER TO GO HERE http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Superdelegate_Transparency_Project!!!!!!!!!!! GET YOUR STATE AND HELP US WITH ADDRESSES AND PLEASE KEEP UP THE FORMATES FOR US BECAUSE IM A CRAPPY WRITER!

    Fortney Hillman “Pete” Stark Jr California district:
    239 cannon building wa dc 20515

    Michael Makoto Honda, a Democrat California
    campaign office: po box 110188 campbell cal 95011

    Sam Farr, a Democrat California
    239 cannon building wa dc 20515

    James Manuel “Jim” Costa
    Longworth House Office Building 1314*
    Washington, DC 20515

    Howard Lawrence Berman, a Democrat, has represented the 28th District of California
    2221 RAYBURN HOB WA DC 20515

    Henry Arnold Waxman, a Democrat, has represented the 30th congressional district CA 2204 RAYBURN BLD WA DC 20515

    Dr. Robert “Bob” Filner, Ph. D., a Democrat, has represented the 51st Congressiona
    2428 RAYBURN HOB WA DC 20515*

    Susan A. Davis
    1526 LONGWORTH WA DC 20515
    Aleita Huguenin SHE HAS ENDORSED HILLARY BUT IT IS WAVERING
    NEED ADDRESS SO WE CAN KEEP HER VOTE!

    Christine Pelosi is the daughter of Nancy Pelosi GOOD F ING LUCK ON THAT ONE! LOL!
    NO ADDRESS FOR HER NEED IT THOUGH!

  143. admin, how can we get them to investigate Gary, Indiana and it’s Mayor. That can’t be swept under the rug. This is fraud and people need to know it.

  144. admin, how can we get them to investigate Gary, Indiana and it’s Mayor. That can’t be swept under the rug. This is fraud and people need to know it.

    “Them” is Donna Brazille, Howard Dean, and the Democratic National Committee. The fix has been in by “them” since last August.

  145. We need to have a party that won’t take votes away from the people. We need a party that doesn’t have proportional counts for delegates. Hillary has already won if the winner takes all when they win a state..

    Brazille looked like she was going to cry last night arguing for Obama. I don’t want to be in that party anymore. When everybody gets ready to re-register as an Independent, let’s pick a date and all go to the Board of Elections at the same time. This should create a stir across the nation.

    Rush Limbaugh told republicans to change to dems and vote for Hillary. She got 7% repub votes. These are probably Rush’s people. The pundits are using this fact to say that is the only reason Hillary won Indiana.

    I think the gas tax proposal did her in. It gave Obama a chance to call her names and go after her as a politician that will say anything to get elected. He was a real SOB. Everytime I saw him at a rally he was annihilating Hillary and calling her all kinds of names. He is slime and I cannot vote for him. If she just had someone to back her gas tax plan, he couldn’t have dissed her like he did.

    If Obama is as bad as we think he is, why hasn’t the FBI or someone released the information?
    Don’t unknown presidential candidates get investigated? If anyone has any answers, let me know.

  146. Well, well.

    Bambi was scheduled to take a “day off” today, and “spend time with his family”, but after Hillary added a campaign stop in WV to her schedule, GUESS WHO is campaigning in WV today ?

  147. justmeinmountdorafl, she is not quitting. she is camping. I hope people in WV stick to her and give her a huge win next Tuesday.

  148. She’s no quitter 🙂

    There are all kinds of crazy and stupid rumors being spread around — don’t believe them.

  149. admin-

    Could you please find out who we should contact to take down hillaryis404.com? I don’t want ANYBODY to try to see this site and mistype and go there. The Hillaryis44 site has been having a lot of traffic lately…obviously some people are starting to GET IT and realize they want to be part of Hillary’s fight. I would bet money that a lot of visitors have just heard about this site for the first time in the last couple days. I don’t want ANYBODY associating this site with that stupid Obamabot site.

  150. Why would she quit? Yesterday was a draw. He won one, she won one. A win is a win and a loss is a loss. We are at the same pace we were after PA! The primaries coming up largely favor Hillary. MI and FL have not even been addressed. These are the last rounds of this fight and Obama is wobbly and bloody. NO FUCKING WAY WILL SHE QUIT. Either will we!

  151. Paula,

    That’s such an excellent point you made- losing doesn’t help you build your party. Also BO isn’t expanding the democratic party. His support is among voters the dems ALREADY HAVE-younger voters, AAs, upscale whites. Secondly, if HRC’s team really believes she won’t get the nomination, then I feel like this whole primary season has been such a waste. We know BO is toast for a GE. He has too many vulnerabilities & his coalition isn’t broad enough to defeat McCain. So after all the millions raised and spent, the new voters registered we’ll still lose the white house in 08! Only the democrats.

  152. My response to hillaryis404.org

    If you don’t want to destroy the Democratic party, concede now so that we can focus on John McCain.

    Response: The DNC destroyed itself! They for months have been pushing on an unelectable candidate and then pretending they were impartial. Don’t blame Hillary’s supporters for seeing Obama’s failings from the beginning.

    Accept that Michigan and Florida broke the rules. The elections they held didn’t count.

    Response: How do Michigan and Florida citizens feel about this?! Do you really think they’re going to vote for the candidate who disenfranchised them, or the party who let this happen? You cannot win an election without FL and MI. Hillary’s campaign is still very much in play when that hits certain people’s little brains. Their elections do count, because those states and those voters count.

    Realize that Obama will be a strong liberal voice, and that he’ll be good for the country. Clinton will continue to be a strong vote in the Senate. Everybody wins.

    NO. EVERYBODY DOES NOT WIN. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LOSE. Obama is NO “strong” anything. He will lose, because he is a loser. Hillary is a winner.

    What do you think of that? Anything you’d add?

  153. Hi jb. Agree with you.

    The clamoring for her to drop will get louder because of the primaries coming up. So we all have to make sure she wins them with large margins! I;m donating again today. For all you trolls lurking around, no matter which way you spin it, she WON the tie-breaker! Didn;t you all claim that a win is a win, when OB won Guam with 7 VOTES??!!??

  154. Guys,
    I’m sorry if I’m giving out negative vibes. I just need to get this off my chest: If its BO vs McCain and he picks Condi Rice as vp I will seriously consider voting repub. Never thought I’d ever cast a vote for John 1000 years in Iraq McCain. But with Sec Rice on the ticket I might be able to pull the lever. Given McCain’s age its not impossible she becomes POTUS. OK no more negativity from me today.

  155. Fight back!

    1. Contribute — any amount.

    2. Write Jeffrey Toobin and tell him to believe that 50% of Clinton supporters will not vote for BO under any circumstances and why.

    3. Write any other person, esp newsman or pundit, who continues to say that they think we’ll “come around” and vote for BO.

    4. Write any congressman from your state who is for BO and tell them they have lost your vote. Explain clearly that on matters of principle, you can’t vote for BO or for a party that would disenfranchise voters.

    It is time to inundate the media, the SDs, and the party leaders.

  156. she made it clear she is staying! Glad she took questions, unfielded. Were there any state officials with her

  157. IF BRAZILLE, DEAN AND PELOSI WANT TO MAKE A ‘NEW DEMOCRATIC’ PARTY, HILLARY SHOULD START A ‘NEW MODERATE’ PARTY….

    they should start making videos now, with all the sound bites from these ‘NEW’ guys, and have regular blue colllar moderates on video, saying they would like hillary to form a new party. one ‘FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE’.

    if she does it soon, we can save her before this all goes south…

  158. is anyone listening to rush today?

    i have been while i’ve been cleaning, he is such a rush today LOL

    he’s inviting all us dem women who are being disenfranchised by the “george wallice ( howard)dean” party
    to come and join the republican party, saying his party will welcome us, won’t disenfranchise us
    and we could still vote dem if we wanted too (in states that allow it)

    said many times on air today that ” the fix is in” for obama….that those elite liberal men ( dean et all including the drive by media) have fixed it for obama

  159. all I can say is that I am ashamed of this country right now.

    Of course msnbc already trying to spin a story out of Hillary lending herself the money .. same old stuff as before .. why did people pay Bill so much to speak

  160. I have really been thinking for a long time about the Republican party. I’ve watched Fox tv for a long, long time and I’ve began to understand many of their platforms. I would feel comfortable within myself to cast a vote for the right republican. I still want to see who is the veep for McCain and I want to hear more about his economic plans.

    I still think Hillary is the most qualified in the world right now.

    I do think like rush sometimes .. the fix has been in.

  161. I don’t think Rush really wants us to turn Republican. He wouldn’t like the candidates we would vote for.

    But we might do the Republican party a lot of good 😉

  162. Did anyone catch Windbag Bill Bennett on CNN last evening? He was going on about all the ways that Obama has won. He’s won the most delegates. He’s won the most popular votes. He’s won (get this) all the big states.

    These people are not held to any standards.

  163. Hey everyone, i am back. We have to donate like crazy to keep Hill going, We are in this to the end

  164. from no quarter:

    Tell The Reporter at Washington Post Why You Will Never Vote Obama »
    By Uppity WomancloseAuthor: Uppity Woman Name: Uppity Woman
    Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
    Site:
    About: See Authors Posts (32) on May 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM in Current Affairs | 25 Comments

    I found a post over at the petition site for people who are pledging not to vote for Barky Obama. A reporter from the Washington Post is seeking to interview Hillary supporters as to why they will not support Barack Obama if he is the nominee.

    I have confirmed here that “Washpost.com” is indeed the Washington Post emailing domain. I can also confirm that “Krissah Williams” is a reporter there. As you can see, she has written some interesting election pieces, including “One Way Or Another, The Women Will Decide It“. You should of course do a confirmation as to who you are speaking with or emailing to before interviewing. She is working on the story until tomorrow, so time is short.

    “10:43 am PDT, May 5, Krissah Williams, Washington D.C. **This is a note from a reporter seeking interviews with some of the signers of this petition* I am writing a story Democratic primary voters that feel like that cannot support one of the Democratic candidates in November. I would like to interview many of you about why you would not vote for Sen. Obama. I am seeking to write a fair story and so far have had more luck reaching supporters of Sen. Obama who feel like they can not support Sen. Clinton. Please help. You can reach me by phone at 202-577-3833 or e-mail at williamsk@washpost.com. I am working on this story until Thursday, May 8th. Please contact me as soon as possible if I may interview you. “

  165. from TM comment,

    NEWS: NC Super Delegate for Clinton!

    A spokesman for U.S. Rep. Heath Shuler, D-Waynesville, confirmed this morning that Shuler’s vote as a super delegate in the Democratic primary will go to Hillary Clinton, who claimed 57 percent of the vote in Shuler’s 15-county mountain district.

  166. Caroline Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 8:24 am
    I can’t believe some of you are letting the media feed you with their lies. You all should know better than that. Hillary is going to get this nomination and I will accept nothing less. Wasn’t Indiana supposed to be the tie breaker? Then all of a sudden the goal posts are being shifted? Hillary is winning next week in WV, Kentuck, PR. Please stop listening to the media and then coming here to quote them. We all should know better.

    I agree also she will get the nomination

    Today is my birthday, i got my wish in Indiana

  167. i think a new party should totally be in the books. so many problems with the old two party system anyways.

    it is clear the obama coalition as described by brazille doesn’t include the core dems. they don’t need the core dems because they consist of new millionaires of the late 90s and 2000 who’ve gotten rich from stock options and don’t know how difficult making a living on wages is. they have a whole new vision of republican lite ideas that is out of touch with the core dems that define the party. that group of people combined with the AAs who mostly vote based on identity will not represent the interests of the people that Hillary is fighting for.

    they have demonstrated that they are out of touch, and exude a libertarian, paternalistic and elitist vision of the future without regard for the core dem voter. we are invisible to them just like we were invisible to the bush administration.

    hillary is the only person with the political capital and popular support to create a new third party that is viable. she will make nader and perot green with envy. if it weren’t for hillary, i’d be ashamed of being a democrat. the DNC and obama doesn’t represent me.

  168. Don’t laugh at Rush Limbaugh. He’s loon, but Republican political strategists are not. People like Karl Rove understand that the opportunity to reverse the longstanding gender-gap has been handed to them on a silver platter.

    I would look for some Republican olive branches, trying to find some common ground on social issues.

    The Republicans have the opportunity to wipe out the Democratic Party, once and for all, by moving a bit to the center. They’ve already done it by nominating McCain. Look for some more movement.

    If they really wanted a bold stroke, McCain should take overturning Roe v. Wade off the table and announce a serious initiative to reduce abortions and unwed mothers. There’s a lot of coded hot-button stuff in those issues. It could be a game-changing play for the Republican Party.

    Has there ever been an easier election for the Republicans to paint the Dems has Hollywood liberals and an African American racial bloc? These are easy political bogeymen for a skilled strategist.

  169. Clinton, who claimed 57 percent of the vote in Shuler’s 15-county mountain district.

    Clinton carred my county in Mass. with 60% of the vote, but I can’t get my jackass Congressman, John Tierney, to commit to anything more than hoping I’ll march shoulder to shoulder with him to defeat John McCain.

    I replied to him that “I’m embarrassed to be a Democrat and that not only will I not be marching shoulder to shoulder with him if Clinton is not the nominee, but I will be voting for John McCain voting for the Republican running against YOU.”

  170. We need to add what brazil said about not needing middle class voters! I want to kick her ass for that! So we need to put that in are emails and letters, what do you think?

  171. Ok everyone lets give Hillary the Funds
    They are saying she don’t have the money let work hard to prove them wrong

    I will never vote for O. I will vote for McCain

    I hope Hillary starts a new party

    Contribution Details
    Date: May 07, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
    Amount: $25.00

  172. Supergirl is not a quitter:

    Dear Ronald,

    Today, in every way that I know how, I am expressing my personal determination to keep forging forward in this campaign.

    After our come-from-behind victory in Indiana, there are just 28 days of voting left. But we’ve never campaigned with the stakes as high or the time as short as they will be over the next four weeks.

    And with you by my side, I’m going to keep fighting for what I believe in until every voter has had his or her say.

    From the very beginning, you and I have counted on one another, working through every challenge and seizing every opportunity. That’s not just the way our campaign works. That’s the way America works.

    As we enter the final four weeks of this contest, let’s keep working our hearts out.

    Contribute now to keep moving our campaign forward.

    In six days, we have the chance to show our strength in West Virginia. If you’ll stand with me, it’s an opportunity I intend to make the most of.

    There’s no question about it — we’ve got to make every one of these next 28 days count — starting with today.

    Contribute now, and let’s keep winning together.

    As we’ve told each other time and time again. There will be good days and not so good days in the course of this campaign. But there will never be a day that we can’t count on one another.

    As we enter the final 28 days of voting, I know you’ll give it everything you’ve got. And you know I will do the same.

    Thanks for being such a wonderful friend and ally,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  173. Well if Brazille and her cohorts thinks that the democratic partydoes not need white voters, blue collar workers, latino’s seniors, catholics and anybody else who voted for Hillary, then maybe we should give her a wish.

    Yup if they won’t listen to reason and give Hillary the nomination it might be time for Bill and Hillary to stand up and walk out and form the new Democratic Party and take all those voters the DNC no longer wants or “needs”.

  174. hillfans, my wife is a definite mccainiac if obama wins the nomination. as for me i have 20 years of voting for a dem. then again she was a independent voter when i met her so she has no deep roots as a bluer than blue dem like myself. pulling a lever for a GOP nominee is a huge leap for me. let’s not make that choice. GO HILLARY!

  175. I wonder if the obamabots are really pushing today because they were caught committing fraud in the Indiana election last night.

  176. Is there a number to call to make a complaint for brazils comments, does she have an office or a position that we can call and make are point! I must know if cnn and msnbc ratings have went up or down, because after the election i am sure they will drop so low!!

  177. dedfg,
    Lets send it to all the supers and media, lets give them what they need the truth!

  178. Hilarious, Obama is blaming Rush Limbaugh for losing Indiana. ROFL. He didnt say that when he was dragging republicans in to vote for him in early primaries, maybe he needs reminding of that democrat for a day flier.

    The fucking nerve.

    Who’s he going to blame next for his failures.

  179. i totally believe that if it weren’t for the caucuses, hillary should already be our nominee. if those caucus states held primaries, she would not be behind in the delegate count at all. looking at the map, and given what the primary results tell us about demographics of the supporters. those earlier caucus states stand a high chance that the results didn’t represent the will of the residents of those states. if that is the case(which i belive it is), hillary’s support is higher than it currently is projected to be. she is totally being screwed by the DNC. she can totally walk out, start her own party, and leave the DNC with an empty suit.

  180. im sick to my stomach from this. and yes fraud must have been a factor in IN. I hope clinton’s folks are on this one. can she rack up pop votes totals big enough from ky and wv? like 400,000 plus?

  181. invisigoth Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 7:34 am
    It all comes down to the automatic delegates, or “super” delegates as the press likes to say.

    What Ed Koch said yesterday is key people:

    THE PERSON WE EMAILED THIS TO IS ASKING FOR THE LINK TO ED KOCH SAYING THIS, PLEASE SOMEONE FIND IT!

  182. also-what is the mtg she is having with supers today? how significant is this and how many?

  183. Hillary should be pointing out to the SD’s about the caucuses and to Washington caucus and its primary and also to Texas as 2 examples.

    I mean, she wins an actual vote count in Texas 51 to 47 and then only gets 56/44 in the caucus, I mean HELLO……………..

    Washington 68/31 in the caucus and in the primary its 46 to 52, I mean how can they justify a 37 point win in the caucus and only 6 point difference in the primary.

    This should be pointed out, that she got shafted in the caucuses.

  184. I am not able to post on a daily basis, but just thought that I had to do so today.

    I see the same scenario as in 2004 happening again in the Democratic party. The media is trying to pick the weakest Democratic candidate. They did the same thing with Gore and Kerry and then turn around and put them through the wringer during the general election. They then vote for the Republican candidate because they do not want to pay taxes on their $M salaries.

    HILLARY SHOULD NOT GIVE UP. SHE SHOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION.

    I have never seen such a thing! Every time she wins, she should drop out!!??

    Some investigation should be done in Lake County. I have never heard of any area counting the absentee ballots before the regular ballots. But it put a spot light on them that they found very uncomfortable. I hope they never try that again.

  185. Rush’s new talking point;
    The democratic Party is DISENFRANCHISING Florida and Michigan so how can they call themselves democrats?
    SD’s are now released (from Operation Chaos) to vote for Waffles coz he will be the easiest to defeat in the GE.
    McGovern endorsed Waffles coz before he dies he wants to see at least one person lose the nomination worse than him so that stigma won’t follow him to the grave.
    He plays clip after clip of pundits and Dems crying foul about operation Chaos, from tweetie to kerry, from bradzilla to Andrews.
    Heck!!! At least Rush makes me laugh. 👿

  186. I just read that the SD’s do not want to meet with her today, however this is good news. This is very interesting, now we know why Obama has not closed the deal. SD’s are very worried about him.

    thehill.com/leading-the-news/superdelegates-say-we-will-decide-2008-05-06.html

    SD’s say they will decide but will not be bound by any rules on delegates.

    Uncommitted Democratic superdelegates in Congress overwhelmingly say they won’t necessarily back the presidential candidate who wins the most primary delegates. Instead, electability will be very important in their decision.

    Of 42 lawmakers interviewed by The Hill, only four said they regarded the primary vote as decisive.

    The congressional superdelegates’ independence is precisely what Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) is banking on as she trails by about 130 pledged delegates behind rival Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.).

    It also means the Democratic Caucus is unswayed by its leader, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.), who has warned that the party will suffer if superdelegates overturn the will of primary voters. Pelosi has said superdelegates should take into account whatever is important but not give the nomination to the candidate who lags in delegates.

    But Pelosi’s troops on Capitol Hill say they are more concerned about electability, plus each candidate’s momentum heading toward the convention, and how their own constituents voted.

  187. Basil, none of those bastards were saying anything about the republicans interfering when Obama was doing his “democrat for a day” shit early on, were they, the 2 faced fuckwits.

  188. I hate e-mailing but I will call, does anyone have a list of phone numbers for the Texas superdelegates and senators and/or congressman in Texas?
    I will pledge to give Hillary some of my tax incentive money that will come on the 15th, but my credit card to maxed out now! 🙁

  189. Hillary mentioned reading emails from her supporters and that the appreciated the $20 from those that were siengle, unemployed, working families…she knows that she is putting a lot on her base and that is why she is willing to help her own campaign.

    I have cried off and on all day today. For the life of me I cannot understand how this country can be willing to let another greenhorn step foot in the white house.

    They will do so without my vote

  190. did u guys see talkleft-good news-shuler backs hill and superd parker of nc tells cnn he remains uncomitted. also clyburn says hill should not quit the race. its something.

  191. Oh JEEEZ!!!! ROTFLMFAO!
    I confess- I’m sitting at the pc listening to Rush and ya gotta say the guy is FUNNY!
    He plays a clip of the Bradzilla – the Forehead (Begala) smackdown and The Forehead says a coalition of EGGHEADS and AA’s isn’t gonna win – it’s the Dukakis coalition and he only won 10 states. If bradzilla wants to count out the white working class male votes than he’s not gonna be part of it.

    Bradzilla THEN says (And this is another add-to-the-list-of insulted -Americans) that she’s knocked back more beers with JOE SIX-PACK . . . !” Honest! She said JOE SIX-PACK! HAHAHAHAHA! So the DNC chair now publicly insults ALL MALE beer-drinkers!

  192. moonpluto,
    I know! I Know!!!! that’s why it’s so perversely deliciously agonizingly hysterically FUNNY!!!!!!!! WhoTF are these tweetie twits?????
    Rush:
    “The drive-by media is all happy – Waffles finally won something big – the media is bored and wants to get off the civil unrest in the dem party, the jeremiah Wright story, and turn to the how Waffles will save the world storyline.”
    Hannity says HRC warning SD’s of an October surprise that could sink Waffles . . .
    BTW – whaddaya think has happened to Jerry? Have they locked him up in the mansion dungeon???????

  193. moon, How is the SDs not meeting with Hillary good news? Could you elaborate?

    BTW, when Bill C. was president I used to laugh at the Repubs’ whining about the liberal media. But given their abhorrent treatment of Hillary in this campaign, I now know exactly what the Rushes of the world are talking about. Upthread, someone summarized what Rush said today. I agreed with every word.

  194. “how Waffles will save the world storyline.”

    Given his history so far within the Dem party, he’s more likely to destroy the world than save it.

  195. Birdgal,

    Choose whichever email message you like and send only that to the SD.s’.

    (sorry – forgot to put that in last post).

  196. plural,

    You KNOW I (and Rushbo) were being completely sarcastic about that comment!

    The tragedy is that’s what the EGGHEAD media really think!!!!!!

    now that’s really scary. After seeing the liberal media in action over the past few months I’m now more afraid of them than I ever was of Bush!!!!

    😈

  197. Basil: I got one returned-germond. I used 2. one went through to brewer. are the other ones good?

  198. Yes, I agree they think that. I think it’s nuts, but they do think it.

    You’re making me LOL with your accounts of Rush’s meanderings.

  199. moonpluto: Pelosi is full of s***. CA went to CLinton, but you know, Nancy supports waffles. Also, George Miller from my area supports waffles, and the area went to Clinton.

  200. that hill doesnt say she isnt meeting supers-it says most supers the hill spoke with say they are waiting until the summer to decide on who is best. that is good news. but i think hill mtg supers today?

  201. confloyd, the best source to find out the uncommited, go down and you will see the states pick the one you want and there will be the list of supers and it will tell you who has already and who has not endorsed click on it some you have to find out by google but at least you will know who has not endorsed. PLEASE YOU HAVE TO SEND EMAIL OR LETTER THEY WILL NOT TALK TO YOU THROUGH WA! IT IS A GREAT SITE EVERYONE CLICK AND EMAIL!

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal:Superdelegate_Transparency_Project!!!!!!!!!!!

  202. moononpluto Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    Hilarious, Obama is blaming Rush Limbaugh for losing Indiana. ROFL. He didnt say that when he was dragging republicans in to vote for him in early primaries, maybe he needs reminding of that democrat for a day flier.

    The fucking nerve.

    Who’s he going to blame next for his failures.
    *****************************************************
    Obama can only win states that are going republican in the G.E. Hell He couldn’t even win Indiana which is a neighboring state and Gary,IN. is part of the Daley Machine….in other word corrupted.

  203. Ignoring “The Problem”
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:42:03 PM EST

    In the Left blogs today, it is considered a mortal sin to point out that Barack Obama has trouble connecting with white working class voters. It is a mortal sin to point out that in the South Carolina campaign, the Obama campaign fed the narrative that the Clinton campaign was race baiting. Indeed, the Left blogs themselves led the charge with this smear, notwithstanding the fact that it was utterly illogical. In South Carolina, the last thing the Clinton campaign would have wanted was African American voters rallying to Barack Obama.

    In February, Obama was able to nimbly straddle appealing to African American voters while maintaining a broader appeal. Wisconsin and Virginia appeared to be watersheds, where Obama won both the white and African American voters (he has consistently lost Latino voters.) But from Ohio on, it became clear that Obama would not be able to sustain that. Jeremiah Wright was the biggest reason why.

    The Problem remains unresolved and a deep concern for November. Discussing that concern is a mortal sin according to the Left blogs. I for one will not play the ostrich. I will consider the problem and ways Obama can solve it. More . . .

    Atrios writes:

    What the Clinton campaign is doing is saying that Obama has electability problems, and using their support from white voters as evidence of that. That’s a wee bit problematic, and not just because it doesn’t follow logically any more than the other electability arguments such as Obama can’t win the election because he can’t win the primary in big states.
    Why is it problematic? Why does it not follow logically? Atrios does not explain. On the contrary, it make perfect logical sense. African American voters have been a staple of the Democratic coalition. While no constituency should ever be taken for granted, there seems to me no doubt, all things being equal, that holding white Democrats is more of a problem than holding African American Democrats. There is a long history on this issue.

    What was exciting about Obama was he really appeared to be one of the first African American candidates where this would not be an issue. Since Ohio and especially since Jeremiah Wright, that was not so clear. Indeed, it remains a major concern.

    That is a reality. And pretending it is not one will not make it disappear. The reality based community, if it ever existed, exists no longer.

    Barack Obama will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee. I hope the professionals in his campaign are not going to be as silly as the Left blogs have proven to be on this issue.

    By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

  204. Guys,
    I’m a little confused. I’ve read that once HRC wins WV, KY, and PR she’ll have the popular vote lead again if you include FL and MI. But would that be the case if she lost OR,MT, and South Dakota?

  205. I hope the supers know that he will not win in November and we will have a repub in the white house! They must be some of the most closed minded people ever to walk! Sexism everybody half of the male supers are full of ego and self absorbtion, I really am ashamed at Moore and Gore right now!

  206. Bradzilla has been trying the same strategy since 2003. Check this out.
    Donna Brazile is looking to show the world the power of the black vote.

    Brazile best known as campaign manager for former Vice President Al Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign, is urging African American leaders to run as favorite sons and darters in various states’ presidential primaries to lock up as many delegate votes as possible before the Democratic Party convention assembles in Boston to pick nominees. Since proportional representation replaced “winner take all” primaries several years ago, delegate votes have been divided at the congressional district level with a few statewide seats reserved for governors, party bosses, and leaders of labor or civil rights groups.

    This could potentially lock up the African American vote, garnering as many as 1,500 convention votes, according to Brazile. These votes,

    controlled by Brazile and the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), could sway the choice of a nominee and help decide who will face off against President George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election. They would also send a message to any Democrat who takes for granted that he or she will gain the black vote simply because African Americans, as a whole, do not vote Republican. ….
    “The proposal that I will put forward at the Democratic National Committee meeting in February will help revive and rebuild the party at the grassroots level to energize the base of the party and to [involve] people who would not normally be selected to work as delegates,” explains Brazile.

    Brazile sees her plan as a power play for black voters nationwide. “African Americans often get called upon at the last minute to pull off the miracles for the Democratic Party. All I’m interested in is making sure that we’re part of the process throughout the entire 365 days of the electoral season. We have always been there for the party, but we have never leveraged our power. We’ve got to make them work for it and stop getting us for free.”
    Add h- t- t- p and h -t -m- l

    goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2485304/Locking-up-the-black- vote.

  207. Does anyone here think they were lied to on the phonebanks? Do you think there was a two state theft? I know that Indiana was stolen but I still think that NC should have been closer. The people seemed so enthusiastic …

  208. From Spega’s wonderful local media comment project. Longer list of sites is at
    http://www.ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm

    if anyone wants quick links, here are some interesting threads.
    Registration is easy at these sites and the comment functin works easily.

    http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/polls.detail/id/218.html?actionAlert=commentadded#commentNum2449

    possible discussion on gas tax:
    http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/blogs.detail/display/184.html?actionAlert=commentadded#commentNum2450

    http://www.newsandsentinel.com/page/content.detail/id/505052.html?nav=5059&actionAlert=commentadded#commentNum2451

    > http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/blogs.list/

    > http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/blogs.detail/display/401.html

    I know all these unmunged http:// are going to get delayed in the spam filter, sorry.

  209. I was reading an article on talkleft, and came across this comment:

    “CNN says seniors brought it home for Hillary all by themselves in Indiana. 69% of them voted for her. They made the difference, and they vote in much greater numbers than younger voters.”

    Hmm…I wonder, what Donna would say about this?

  210. God Bless those seniors. They been around the block and they know something about life. I think the no party will see those seniors abandon ship in November if she is not the nominee. How can the sd’s and the party continue to think they can win on AA and youth.

    I wonder if they are even looking at the results and overall picture.

    My brother said it best….they want a black man as the nominee and they don’t care if he loses. Then they can say well we tried.

  211. I think that there was fraud involved in both primaries yesterday, especially IN.

    I can’t prove NC but something definitely went wrong in IN, even Rush was saying people were emailing him saying that they are delaying the count in Lake County because they are trying to stuff the ballot box to give it to O-bum-ma.

    He said that it almsot would have worked except the mayor of Gary gave that interview to WAPO and it was posted on Drudge and he did the CNN interview when Wolf called him.

    LC is too close to Chicago for them not to have pull some dirty trick. We had anectdotal evidence alld ay yesterday from phone banking and the polls that Hillw as going to win IN by more than 5 and keep NC a bit closer.

    I refuse to believe that after 2 of the worse weeks for Obama that people would still voe for him.

    Don’t get me started on the AA vote which are voting 100% on color.

  212. One more about Bradzilla’s horrible impact on the nominating process.
    “This entire system was set up by Brazile to benefit Black voters at the expense of voters of other ethnicities. That sounds harsh, but it is utterly true. In every state, a Black vote counts more than a White vote, because more delegates are allocated to AA-heavy districts. The Black vote in the South becomes overwhelming. The White vote in the industrial states is minimized. What you have seen is an absolute mathematical playing out of a system which was confusing enough that no one really saw its import. That is why Hillary can win OH and PA by 10 points, and get very few more delegates. That’s why CA didn’t matter much more than Virginia. Donna Brazile has turned the Democratic nominating race into ethnic politics central; where if her AA constituency simply votes en masse, they can’t lose. I’ll repeat: if AA’s vote as a bloc, they choose the nominee every time. Nothing that the remaining 80% of the Democratic constituency does will offset that–unless they all vote by ethnicity, too. That’s what Donna Brazile has wrought. Blacks will vote their color; Whites won’t (and will be excoriated for being racists to any extent they do). It’s truly horrifying.

  213. dot48, here the little seniors are worried about healthcare and social security and the New Black/Educated Democratic Party is more interested in making history that helping the seniors that fought in WWII to save their country. The blacks and elites can thank their freedom and success on the back of those little seniors who won it for them. Nasty Pelosi is the head of the New Black/Educated Party! We need her out and we need to figure out how to oust her and Dean!

  214. Obama and the plan for a “new Democratic coalition”

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/rezkowatch-factchecker-obama-and-plan.html

  215. basil, that’s a really interesting piece. I’d heard bits of that story, but never saw it put together so clearly.

  216. someone up thread said Bambi is blaming Rush for his loss in INdiana, we all know the real reason he lost, don’t we. He wasn’t able to finish the robbing of votes he needed to win because of CNN. Lets email CNN for interupting his Highness. Damn them!! I think CNN needs to be chewed out by us for doing that to Pooooor Little Bawaaaak, stop being mean to bawaak, he wants to be president! 🙁

  217. moononpluto Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Hillary should be pointing out to the SD’s about the caucuses and to Washington caucus and its primary and also to Texas as 2 examples.

    I mean, she wins an actual vote count in Texas 51 to 47 and then only gets 56/44 in the caucus, I mean HELLO……………..

    Washington 68/31 in the caucus and in the primary its 46 to 52, I mean how can they justify a 37 point win in the caucus and only 6 point difference in the primary.
    ————

    Moon,

    YOu might check that figure for the WA primary, I thought it was smaller than 6 points.

  218. word is Feinstein is Waffling …

    contact her

    feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.Home

    add h t t p/

  219. tibourone,

    i agree with your gut feelinig that something so right, could not have gone so wrong…

    hillary was so ahead, how do you explain it?
    hillary should demand, or we should demand an investigation, we should be clamoring for it, until we shake some scared kids lose to come clean…

  220. if he’s the nominee I will sit back in glee to watch the republicans rip him and his militant wife to pieces.

    I’ve been so heartbroken today .. I’ve cried, been on the verge and just don’t know how to handle the emotional upheaval. How does she keep on going? I know, she knows our country is in the check here. I so pray for a Hirracle. HillaryMiracle, please God.

  221. tiburones Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Don’t get me started on the AA vote which are voting 100% on color.

    tiburones,
    I am an AA woman, i am not one of those 100% that vote on color, I am working my heart out for Hillary. I am from Ohio. I have gone to Indiana, and Pa to campaign. I have and still donating to her campaign. Not all AA voted for Obama, If he is the nominee i will vote for McCain in November.

  222. I hope Hillary’s team is checking into what happened in Gary. Triburones, I just posted at another forum that I felt so .bamboozled and hoodwinked . either people lied all the way around, from phonebanks to polls .. OR IT WAS STOLEN.

  223. neeta .. you are a gem. Thank you for all your hard work .. and thank you to all the other AA who refuse to be blinded.

    As I said last night .. if the white would rally round Hillary .. it shouldn’t be that way but just saying

  224. dot48, you’ve worked so hard on the phones, you really deserved better yesterday. Thanks for all your dedication.

    I agree, something was screwey yesterday. I expected her to win IN, and him to take NC, but the margins were crazy.

  225. skmf12,
    I remember Universal posting on this site & TM that Hill’s internal polling for Indiana was tight. Many of us just dismissed it because most of the public polls had a much larger margin and HRC was scheduling stops in NC.

  226. WANTED:

    INFORMATION LEADING TO INVESTIGATION OF VOTING IRREGULARITIES IN INDIANA, OR ELSE WHERE…

    REWARD: $25.000.00
    confidentiality a given.
    555 555 5550

  227. neetabug

    If I was tehre I’d give you such a big HUG

    and I’ll type that without weird symbols that get deleted after I hit submit

    😀

  228. dot48 Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    Does anyone here think they were lied to on the phonebanks? Do you think there was a two state theft? I know that Indiana was stolen but I still think that NC should have been closer. The people seemed so enthusiastic …
    *****************************************************
    No dot48, I think you did a wonderful job but most Blacks have drunk the Koolaid on Obama and think he is your regular politican because why would all these elites support Obama.

    And with the media in Obama’s pr…they think he is their chance for a Black President…it means Black will be respected and jobs and for some make weed legal because that is what obama’s people are telling them…he’s the black Santa Claus.

    They don’t Hate Hillary but they’re invested in the dream, it’s just that simple. It’s not personal or anything hateful against Hillary….now TEAM OBAMA, Howard Dean wing of the democratic party and the DNC that’s different…it’s about power and getting off old scores on Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    That’s why Hillary Supporters should NOT GIVE A DIME TO THE DNC because they will only spend it in HELPING Obama and the NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY, Donna Brazile let slip out.

    I’m Black and I’m so upset with what is going on in my party that I had to make the mental break from party loyalty to what is best for my country. So when you see me write I can hold my nose and vote for McCain I mean it. Don’t want too but I can stand four more years of pain….now these backstabbing dems who are trying to pull a fast one.

    I hate that, you should be up front in what your vision for the country and TEAM OBAMA is not…it just “smoke & mirrors” to get to the truth. I’m glad Donna Brazile arrogant fat ass spilled the beans and told the truth on how far left (marxists, communists and domestic terrorists) these guys are willing to go to get power.

  229. I have been emotionally invested in individuals before .. even campaigns but I’ve never contributed $ or worked on one’s behalf like I have for Hillary. She inspires me and I really feel that this country will be losing out, stepping backwards if she is not 44. I was wounded when Harold Ford Jr lost out (see color makes no difference to me .. it’s the person) and I worked for Harold .. however, the stakes have never been higher and I just don’t feel like BO has the country’s nor our interest at heart.

    Obama and Brazil are of the same cloth .. they want the “power”. He’ll not do jack shit if he becomes president. I can tell by his attitude. It’s not about us with him .. it’s all about him and his agenda.

  230. skmf12,

    Thanks for the reporter’s email. Here’s what I just sent her:

    Why I will never vote for Obama

    Many reasons. If it is between Obama and McCain, then I will write in HIllary because:

    1. Writing in Hillary’s name sends a clear message
    2. McCain is at least a sane person. Obama is a neurotic who cares only about his own ambition and his own hang-ups.
    3. The GOP will destroy Obama. Then Hillary (or another sane Democrat) is free to run against McCain in 2012.

    Obama is a corporate dream candidate. He poses as a liberal so he will be an opiate for the liberals. In fact on important matters he changes the fine print to favor the moneyed, corporate interests.

    Bush Jr was a puppet, but at least he had only one team of puppet-masters; greedy but competent. Obama would have too many irrational people pulling him in different directions. Also Obama thinks he is really some kind of savior — no telling when or where he might decide to jump. I don’t buy this ‘secret Muslim’ business, but his church is anti-semitic and doubts Israel has a right to exist, so Obama might freak in a mid-east crisis. He does not have emotional stability or good judgement, let alone experience.

    My demographic is similar to Hillary’s. This may be her last chance as in 2016 she may be too old. The right way to handle this would be Hillary 2008 and Obama 2016 (if we must have him at all). By running now, trying to bump her out (as he did Alice Palmer) he would destroy himself and damage the Democratic party (as McGovern did in 1972). Obama cares nothing about our chance to win the White House and end the war — only about his own impatience. He should stick to his ‘2010-2012-2016’ plan — ie win something in 2010 before even thinking about a POTUS run.

    /name/
    sorry mad and sputtering today – about the media spin on Hillary’s victory last night.

  231. Hugs to all of you here and everywhere who have supported Hillary’s campaign in any way shape or form!

    God Bless you ALL!!!

    HUGS!

  232. carby .. I plan to help McCain win if Obama is the nominee. There is too much at stake. I don’t think Obama has the country best interest at heart. I do know McCain will fight to his death to keep us safe and he wouldn’t let anyone around him be stomping on our flag. I know he will also pledge allegiance to our flag and our country. Many in the party think that we’ll just follow along like sheep ….not me. It’s not about the party anymore for me. I’m now Independent

  233. Yup if they won’t listen to reason and give Hillary the nomination it might be time for Bill and Hillary to stand up and walk out and form the new Democratic Party and take all those voters the DNC no longer wants or “needs”.
    *****************************************************
    I really don’t think Team Obama wants Bill and Hillary help…if Obama is the nominee it’s going to be like Gore2000. They believe they can do it by themselves…Donna Brazile ‘s TRUTH spoke clear about the NEW DEMOCRATIC COALITIONS not needing any swing voters because they’re going to replace them with Green Party, Marxists, Communist, socialists…those groups who are not your traditional democrats.

    Obama’s focus will be to pull in the anti-Israel folks to replace those who move over to the republican party like Lieberman.

  234. I even said after what happened to Harold that I’d never get close to a candidate again.

    I never knew the real Hillary then.

    {{hugs to all here .. we are all hurting I know}}}

  235. plural,

    It’s not my piece. I cut and pasted from a TM post. i thought I’d copied the username, too, but guess i didn’t. If you want to know who wrote it let me know and I’ll get back on TM. I pasted coz I thought the same thing as you; that it was so clearly written.

  236. does anyone remember that Harold Ford predicted that there would be only one winner last night on both states? I wonder how he came to know that?

  237. hawk Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Good morning all. I am convinced most people excluding the media, see this as another victory for HRC. My neighbor, a republican, told me “she did pretty good last night huh?” and I think most people will see that she WON Indiana, and average Americans don’t play the expectations games.

    I’ve been staying out of the discussions till I hear a calm explanation of WHAT people thought HIllary lost.

    In the meantime I’m working on Spega’s project of commenting in local papers/media sites. The coverage there is really much more fair than in Big Media. Current stuff is at h t t p : / / ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm or emal Spega.

  238. B Merryfield.
    WOW!!!!!! Stunning piece!!!!! I skimmed but now I’m gonna go back and reread.
    Had you seen the info I posted at 3:36?
    There’s a reason for my instinctive recoiling from, repulsion by Bradzilla. It’ like the story of the snake, you know, where the little girl passes by the snake and he asks her to pick him up and she says no but the snake convinces her to trust him and then, after she carries him for a while the snake bites her and when she asks why did he do that he says: You knew what I was when you picked me up: or something like that.” Well, my gut tells me bradzilla has been the architect of this plan. Now I’m getting facts to support my intuition. I wouldn’t put it past her to have masterminded the plan and then presented it to The Pope from Martha’s Vineyard and crew and getting their stamp of approval before it was implemented. back now to reread your piecs.:;

    CHECK OUT B. Merry’s great article, everyone!
    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/rezkowatch-factchecker-obama-and-plan.htm

  239. If obama wins the nomination, it will be my first time to vote republican. It sad, I beleive the Democatic Party does not care/respects me. Most of all, they forgot that politics is a all local, so this could hurt local and state elections.

  240. go to taylormarsh .com ,,

    in her hot topics ,,there is a petition to sign to vote against obama,,,,,,

    PLS EVERYONE ,,,SIGN ,,LEAVE A COMMENT ,,,,AND PASTE IT EVERYWHERE ,,,,EVEN REPUBS SHOULD SIGN ,,

    WE WANNA HAVE A LOT OF SIGNS

    have ur neighbors ,,and relatives sign ,,

    have ur co-workers and anybody u know to sign this

    we need to do it people ,,

  241. birdgal.

    You’re right. I just DESPISE that . . . . . shhhhhhhh . . . . b*r*i*l*l*o

    head.

    OTOH, Deanic is such a limp wimp I doubt he could’ve made much headway without her brute power.

  242. I just emailed Feinstein and Al Gore. I urged Feinstein to stay with Senator Clinton and for Al and Tipper Gore to go with Hillary or stay neutral. I tried to email Donna Brazile and could not get thru. I emailed McCaskill and Dean and told them how disgusting they were.

  243. Lynn Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    yuhuuuuuuuuu

    way to go lyn ,,,

    e-mail them at least 3 times aday ,,,,,,use diff e-mail addresses,,,,,,,,,,

  244. Neeta, I don’t mean to say that ALL AA but the ones who are voting for him are basing it on color 100% and I stand by it.

    They come up to me every time there is a primary on the job just like today and I had to tell my coworker, don’t talk to me about Obama as I can’t stand him.

    Thanks for your support.

  245. basil9 Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
    Sonya,

    thx buddy

    i don,t know how to pass the links through ,,

    i try to psate it here but i think ,,it stays in filter

    but ,,

    thank you ,,,

  246. sonya,

    you have to delete the h*t*t*p*/*/ at the beginning and

    the h*t*m*l* at the end.

    Sometimes you also have to delete the w*w*w* too.

  247. Tiburones,

    You have my deepest sympathy! 😥

    At least you can get away from them. Poor confloyd works with doctors who are, apperently, always in her face about her HRC support.

    🙄

  248. wow ,,

    it went through

    thank you

    i be posting a lot of links from now on

    bye for now

    o gotta go pick up my kids from school

  249. phones open in WVA .. early voting started today.

    Call if you can. Tell them that Hillary needs their vote .. tell them they can help her make it up and that she needs them NOW. Tell them that the Clintons have stood by WVA and that now is the time for them to stand up for her.

    We NEED the votes .. don’t be shy about sharing with them that we need every able body in the booth…tell them there is too much at stake.

    The spineless Gov won’t endorse .. Rockefeller will be stumping for waffles. Hill has some local people working hard for her but tell the voters its up to them.

    Tell them to watch their polling places for any signs of theft next Tuesday…..

    There is a lot to tell them .. help Hillary if you can

  250. SD from Florida posted on his campaign website today that he is endorsing Obama. Everyone needs to post a comment on his website. This fool is running for the Senate and endorses the one guy standing in the way of seating Florida’s delegation. A serious lack of hudgement on his part.

    dangelber.com/news/viewBlog.php?id=49

  251. Neetabug – did you say it is your birthday?

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

    and you have been an inspiration since you started posting here.

  252. Short but sweet I will with your permission reiterate.

    JAS Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 10:15 am
    I am from Missouri, I called the Democratic canidate for Govenor, I told them I did not fit into the new Democratic demographics and I could not longer support his campaign.

  253. Guys, Hillary will win this. Keep up your enthusiasm and support for our girl! No one has ever fair-and-square taken out a Clinton. And they are not going to start with this one.

    Obama has too many dirty dirty and foul secrets that will continue to ooze out. The remaining primaries are dreadful for him. This was his LAST hurrah. WV, KY, and Puerto Rico. The big one is Puerto Rico because this election could have around 2 million voters, easily making up any vote deficiency.

    Hang in there. I am still 80% sure Hillary Rodham Clinton will be both the nominee and the next president of the UNited States. Obama will fall due to his elitism, and his dirty deeds. I know for a fact that not only is he associated with horrible people, but he has done horrible and many detestable things himself.

    he will pay for this. trust.

    hillary will be the nominee, and she’s going to need your help every step of the way. Her presidency was written in the stars for years.

  254. it’s a slow day, so I’ll post a long, long blog. It’s good – from a poster on TM who saw it:

    politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html

    THE NEW AMERICAN DISENFRANCHISEMENT.

    Democratic Elitists And Their Role In Hijacking The Democratic Party!

    Our nation’s founding fathers and early leaders set out to create a government for the people and by the people. As educated men who sought to understand the history of the worlds great cultures, they set out not to create a new concept to preserve individual freedom, opportunity, and liberty; but rather to improve upon the previous great democracies.

    Our leaders used early Greek and Roman democracies as the basis of our government. However, they equally set forth to establish a system which would protect and preserve the democracy against the failures that led these early societies down a path to demise. Our early leaders realized that a direct democracy could easily be manipulated to allow for the rise of elitist and power-hungry leadership that would strip the democracy of individual rights and liberties. During times of geopolitical, sociopolitical, and economic turmoil, power-hungry leadership could easily emerge through the use of populism, just as Caesar used populist rhetoric to morph the roman democracy into an imperial power. Therefore, our leaders determined that a representative republic in which voter equality and a system of checks and balances would protect against overt populism and the rise of the elite.

    Additionally, when our government was created the nation’s demographics were very similar to today’s United States. Pennsylvania, New York, and Massachusetts, accounted for a large percentage of the nations population. Our early leaders realized that another reason for the demise of the Roman Empire, and the rule of the British Empire they broke free from, was that power was retained and centralized within a relatively small geographic region. Political Leaders pandered to the population in London, or previously in Rome, importing a majority of the nation’s wealth and prosperity into these power centers while ignoring the needs and suppressing opportunity and rights within the rest of the empires. Fearing that a single group of elitists could seize power within the US by pandering to the heavily populated cities, our early leaders created the electoral and congressional system that has been upheld for over 200 years. The electoral system is simply designed to equalize the rights of all Americans and prevent the election of extremist politicians through populism based upon cyclical periods of turmoil in the country.

    Today, our nation once again faces a period of turmoil in our economy & global and domestic security issues. Americans are fed up, disenchanted and frustrated. During this time of turmoil, and political season we have a chance for genuine change. But change is not always positive, and we all need to recognize the difference between populist pandering and a return to the principles and policies that have made our country great. No politician can solve our individual problems. The best that they can provide is sound policies that protect our and our allies’ sovereignty, promote economic capitalism through creating competition, opportunity, consumer protection and prevent the monopolization of industry, and preserve the individual rights, liberties, and the American Dream.

    During this period of turmoil, the American public has an obligation to itself to beware of today’s politicians. Politicians that unlike the great leaders of the past century have turned to populist rhetoric, reminding Americans of better times and promising them that THEIR GOVERNMENT can ease the burdens they face. We have a duty to ourselves to remember that our democracy is built upon our freedom, individual rights and liberties. The more that we allow the government to become involved in our individual lives, the more of those individual rights and liberties will be stripped away.

    This year’s primary season has led to the nomination of John McCain, a republican with a long history of moderate views and bipartisan cooperation. In the Democratic Party, we are faced with a choice of 2 candidates whom are now entrenched in an undeclared civil war in the Democratic Party. A civil war brought on by Democratic Leadership, and fought with weapons such as voter disenfranchisement.

    The media has portrayed this race as a battle between two very good candidates that has now reached a point that could hurt the Democratic Party’s chances in November and damage their voter coalition. However, the reality is that this is a battle between the Wealthy & Elitist Far-Left Leadership & Supporters of the DNC and the Left-Of-Center Clinton Political Machine. This primary turmoil was directly brought on by the far-left of the Democratic Party who have turned to Populism, Voter Disenfranchisement, and taken advantage of states with inequality in how they award pledged delegates.

    Let Me Take You Back….

    Nine months ago Rudy Giuliani appeared to be the Republican front-runner along with Hilary Clinton as the Democratic front-runner. At the time, the general consensus was that the Democrats would likely retake the presidency in 2008, regardless of who their nominee was. However, the now far-left DNC leadership, along with their far-left, wealthy and elitist contributors had concerns. First, of the Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton, was considered polarizing, with 35% of voters stating that they would vote against Hillary Clinton regardless of whom the republican nominee was. Although this was disconcerting, the elitist leadership of the party was more concerned with the issue of whether or not Clinton would carry through with their radical agenda of massive government expansion and social reform.

    The best gauge of a Clinton Presidency is to look at Bill Clinton’s presidential record. Since leaving office, Bill Clinton, has struggled with his legacy, primarily because there was no world changing event on his watch and no single societal changing policy that was instituted under his presidency. Bill Clinton, as president, operated in a reactionary mode, never rocking the boat, nor instituting controversial changes in the American political landscape. Because he never pushed for massive change in the U.S., he was able to maintain high popularity among moderates and independent votes. Additionally, Clinton also crossed party lines instituting legislations such as Welfare Reform, NAFTA, and the Tax Relief Act of 1997 that were highly unpopular with the far-left elite of the Democratic Party. Howard Dean and the Far-Left, Wealthy, Elite of the Democratic Party fear that a second Clinton presidency would also focus on political expediency, reaching out across the isle when necessary, and failing to implement their radical agenda and failing to focus on their attempt to seize total political control.

    As a result, the elite of the Democratic Party decided that their best interests would be served by supporting a candidate that would drive forward their agenda and would not depart from the elite party line. The DNC leadership along with the powerful and wealthy far-left elite decided to turn their back on Clinton, just as they previously had turned their back on Joe Lieberman.

    So here is the question… How do you overcome the Clinton Political Machine and install your own elitist candidate and take political control of your party? Last fall, Clinton was the quintessential Democratic front-runner. She garnished popular support from nearly every segment of the Democratic Coalition: Low Income and Middle Income Democrats, Democratic Senior Citizens with high voting consistency and turnout, Unionized Democrats, the African-American Community and Hispanic Community.

    The Answer… You create your own candidate from a blank slate and opportunistically disenfranchise large segments of the Clinton voter coalition.

    The far-left elite of the Democratic Party had found the ideal candidate: A well spoken, inexperienced junior senator from Illinois. Barack Obama was a blank slate: inexperienced (no political skeletons in the closet), a powerful speaker, African-American, and had never crossed party lines or the Democrat Elitist Agenda on any major issue. The wealthy and elite now had their candidate.

    Step One: Paint your ideal candidate as a great unifier, able to end the divisiveness in Washington and change the political polarization that Hillary Clinton represented. Although Barack Obama had little experience, he also did not bear the scars of previous political fights or have the political skeletons in his closet. Although Obama has essentially voted directly down party lines and has shown no ability to work with the Republican Party, the DNC, unchallenged, was able to paint the highly liberal Obama as a moderate politician able to transcend party lines.

    Step Two: Overcome Obama’s inexperience by utilizing his great speaking skills. Because Obama is a great speaker, he is able to talk about change and focus the election, not on his experience, but on his Judgment of opposing the “evil” Bush Administration. By pushing a highly populist agenda that a large government can solve our individual problems, and deflecting all of our nation’s problems onto the unpopular Bush Administration, American Voters have been hypnotized into overlooking Obama’s policy positions and elitist views. For instance, Obama’s calling for an increase in taxes on people making over $200,000 per year, so that the middle class does not suffer higher taxes. But at the same time, calling for the raising or removal of the tax cap on social security; a policy that would automatically increase taxes by over 6% on every middle class American making $80,000 – $200,000 per year.

    Step Three: Break up the Clinton voter Coalition. By choosing Obama, as the elite-left’s choice, Dean and his cohorts automatically removed a major segment of the Clinton Coalition: The African American Vote. As any politically attuned person knows, Democrats traditionally carry 80%-90% of the African-American Vote. In a general election the black vote makes up 15%-20% of the electorate, with an even higher ratio of 20%-40% in the democratic primaries. By removing this block of Clinton Supporters, the DNC was able to drastically change the outlook of this primary.

    Next, the elite-left leadership put together a strategy for Obama to campaign directly to the middle-upper class of the Democratic Party and take advantage of Obama’s youth and idealistic inexperience to attract the youth vote from the University systems. Although a relative non-factor in past elections, a motivated youth vote could offset the Clinton stronghold on the senior votes.

    Step Four: Use A Rove Strategy. During the primary season, candidates have typically relied upon only a handful of key states that vote early in determining the outcome of their candidacy. Most candidates dump a majority of the resources into these key states. Using a Karl Rove type strategy, the elite-left leadership encouraged the Obama Campaign to focus not on states such as New York, California and Massachusetts, where Clinton would likely pick up large numbers of delegates; but rather focus resources on smaller Midwestern caucus states in which voter turnout was typically low (meaning that an influx of younger voters and African-American voters could easily swing the outcome), and Obama could piecemeal enough small victories to offset the delegate counts from the larger states.

    The strategy would give Obama an opportunity to make this race tight, but it would also require that he win early and build a lead. Here is where the DNC took full advantage of voters. With 20 states, such as Illinois, moving up there primaries to have a greater influence; states such as Florida and Michigan, which have traditionally been key states in general elections looked to maintain their importance by assuring that their primaries played a more influential role. The problem for the elite-left was that these states were Clinton strongholds, and they knew that the traditionally the candidate who became the front-runner after the early primaries, would also become the benefactor of momentum and massive endorsements as the party unified behind them. In order for the elite-left to maintain any opportunity to seize total control of the party, they made the decision not to penalize Florida and Michigan, but rather to completely strip these states of their delegates; disenfranchising millions over Democratic voters residing in key general election states. Prior to the DNC delegate stripping plan, most pendants expected the DNC to penalize candidates who campaigned in these states with up to half of the delegates from the states. Thereby, allowing Florida and Michigan voters to have a strong influence in the election, but also penalize the states by removing the campaign attention they received. The stripping of Florida and Michigan’s delegates is not only important because these were well-known Clinton strongholds, but more importantly, the early momentum Clinton would have gained from these contests would have carried over into Super Tuesday.

    Dean and the rest of the far-left elite knew first hand the importance of the earliest primaries. Dean’s ailing campaign experienced a boom of momentum and funds after his early victory in the 2004 primaries, quickly becoming a front-runner who self-destructed as quickly as he had risen. With Florida and Michigan’s 350+ delegates removed (roughly 8%-9% of the total available delegates) the elite focused on the Iowa caucuses. Knowing that Clinton & Edwards would split the working class vote, Obama’s campaign was able to take the state. With Iowa came momentum, a wholesale shift in African-American Support, and a steady flow of elite democratic endorsements.

    The wealthy and elite far-left of the party however still had to overcome the other large states where Clinton garnished support. They needed to take advantage of the ways delegates were awarded in order to suppress a potential comeback by Clinton. On Super Tuesday and afterwards, the Obama campaign and far left have focused on caucus states with lower turnout and more easily manipulated by the influx of first time African-American and youth vote turnout. Building a small lead on Super Tuesday, the elite left began rolling out endorsement after endorsement for Obama, and worked diligently to create the façade that Obama’s delegate lead could not be overcome. In previous primaries, these endorsements and calls to unity worked, and Dean and the Elite-Left assumed that the unprepared Clinton campaign would fade quietly into the night, therefore solidifying their power-grab.

    Despite the fact that I DO NOT support Hillary Clinton, I have actually gained a new respect for her. The Clinton’s fight-on not only to preserve their families’ political influence, but I believe that because both Clinton’s genuinely care about the United States and our proud of this nation. Although Hillary Clinton continues to campaign on a populist platform, which I believe is not what has made this country great, she does maintain a genuine concern and appreciation of the public. Unlike Obama, Clinton does not view this nation as a second-class society that needs to have their hands held by those few enlightened individuals who look down upon America and speak to Americans as if we are misguided children.

    STEP FIVE: DO NOT TREAT ALL VOTES EQUALLY. Our forefathers had the insight to abandon a pure democratic society and implement policies that would equalize & protect American voters from politicians that would pander on focus on only densely populated areas, unequally distributing rights and wealth into these areas, in an attempt to secure and maintain political power. They understood that the lifeblood of our vast and diverse nation existed in every American, not just in the big cities. It is ironic that today, the very fear of our founding fathers is coming to fruition before our very eyes. The elite-left understood that with their proportional delegation system, that if Obama could piecemeal together enough delegates through the caucus states, and states with a large African-American turnout, then his home state of Illinois would give him enough delegates to prevent Clinton from overcoming his narrow lead. The Elite-Left focused on imbalanced delagatory policies that existed within Clinton Strongholds.

    Texas: Clinton wins a majority vote with a 4 point lead. Clinton also wins in over 80% of all counties in Texas and 18 of the 31 congressional districts. Yet, after the Texas caucuses in which less than 10% of Texas democrats participated, Obama walks away 99 Delegates to Clinton’s 93, essentially disenfranchising the 1.45 million Texans that gave Clinton a Primary Victory.

    Ohio: Clinton Wins Ohio by 10 points (54%-44%), a landslide by political standards. Obama only wins in 5 of the over 70 counties in the state, and Clinton also achieves victories in 14 of the 18 congressional districts. Yet, because of delegates being disproportionately awarded to districts in densely populated areas, Obama walks away with nearly 47% of the delegates.

    Pennsylvania: Clinton wins by 9 points, again a landslide by political standards.
    Clinton wins in over 90% of counties and 14 of 19 congressional districts. Yet, like Ohio, Obama walks away with nearly 47% of the delegates.

    In reality, as of May 2nd, Obama only led Clinton by 159 pledged delegates, less than 5% of the total available Democratic Delegates. Obama also leads the popular vote, not including the disenfranchised Florida and Michigan by around 500,000 votes. In Illinois, Obama won by more than 600,000 votes. Yet these numbers don’t include the millions of votes disenfranchised in Florida and Michigan; and the inconsistent and imbalanced method of awarding delegates in states such as Pennsylvania, who clearly demonstrate that a vote in Pittsburgh doesn’t quite equal a vote in Pennsylvania.

    Howard Dean and his far-left, wealthy, and elitist backers, expected the Clinton Campaign to fold after Super Tuesday. Supported by elitist endorsements, media friendly coverage of Obama, and the disenfranchisement of millions of Democratic voters nationwide, the elitist far-left has clearly shown that this election is not about working class America but rather about power.

    I commend the Clinton campaign for continuing to fight for what they believe is best for this nation. Democratic Elite have blamed the Clintons for causing chaos in the Democratic Primaries and possibly damaging the party in November. However, let’s remember that until January, Clinton was the front-runner and presumably would be anointed the Democratic nominee. Most political analysts agreed that unless she stumbled and fell, or self-destructed, she could not lose the nomination. The fact is that Hillary Clinton did not stumble or fall, her campaign did not self-destruct. So I ask: What Changed????

    Many political pundits want to compare this primary season to the political civil wars that happened in 1912 and 1968. However, unlike those previous party breakups whereas moderates battled for control against the far-right or far-left; the civil war occurring now in the Democratic party is being fought by the far-left elitist faction and the left-of-center Clinton machine, with moderate Democrats dumbfounded sitting on the sidelines. Now is the time for moderate Democrats to stand up to the rich, elitist, far-left leadership of their party and end the polarization caused by these elitists who will suppress any voice of opposition and end the madness.

    Sidenote: How is it that John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and the Governor of Massachusetts, all super delegates, support a candidate that lost by 15 points among their constituents? Perhaps, just perhaps, power is more important than the voters.

  255. GaryinDCandLA Says:

    May 7th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
    Neetabug – did you say it is your birthday?

    Yes today is my birthday. My wish was for Hillary to win Indiana, and become the party’s nominee, the first part has come true, so will the second part

  256. Time for a reality break.


    Clinton Campaign Delegate Digest: May 7

    May 7, 2008
    Hillary Wins Again

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton won in Indiana by focusing on solutions and appealing to voters in almost every key demographic group.

    Hillary continues to expand her base while Senator Obama’s growth is in question. The AP reports that Obama “again failed to gain ground with a crucial voting bloc that has consistently eluded him – working-class whites.” And U.S. News writes: “In an ominous development for the Obama campaign, exit polls taken yesterday in Indiana and North Carolina found he is no longer the favorite among Democratic-leaning independents, and that his already anemic support among working-class white voters continues to erode.”

    In Indiana, Hillary won in northern, central and southern areas, among those who earn more than $50,000 per year and those who earn less, among union and non-union voters, suburban and rural.

    Hillary earned this victory despite Senator Obama outspending us by more than a 2 to 1 margin.

    Hillary won despite being down in state polls for much of February, March and April. Her late momentum was critical: Hillary prevailed by 24 percentage points among those who made their decision in the last three days.

    Hillary won despite the fact that about 20 percent of the state falls into the Chicago media market, which boosted the familiarity and popularity of Senator Obama. (Indiana is the first state bordering Obama’s home state of Illinois that he has lost.)

    Exit polls from Indiana show Hillary continuing to attract strong support from a broad base of Americans, many of whom are the same voters who swing elections come November:

    * 89 percent of voters said they had been affected by the economic downturn “a great deal” or “somewhat.” These groups favored Hillary by 6 and 8 percentage points, respectively. Obama won among voters little affected by the bad economy.
    * Women accounted for 55 percent of the total vote and favored Hillary by 8 percentage points. White women made up 44 percent of the total electorate and gave Hillary a 63-37 percent edge. White men favored Hillary 58-42.
    * More than half of voters were aged 50 and over, and this demographic overwhelmingly favored Hillary (by 6 points in the 50-64 age group and by 42 points among those 65 and over).
    * Self-identified “moderates” made up 44 percent of the vote and favored Hillary by 8 points.
    * One in five voters live in rural areas, and this group went for Hillary 68-32 percent.

  257. Haven’t heard a single Hill surrogate today throw Obama words about IND being a tiebreaker back at him.

    Yes Hill said it last night – and that’s been it.

    People like Lisa Caputo allow themselves to be manhandled on-air then we wonder how BM gets away with their horrendous coverage.

    Jesus Christ!

  258. Hillary speaking to reporters. Not sure if this was posted

    thepage.time.com/clinton-speaks-wednesday-o…

  259. Yesterday May Not Have Been That Terrific For Obama

    I spoke to a Republican strategist/consultant this morning, asking what he made of Obama’s impressive results from last night. After the rough couple of weeks Obama had (Wright, tough debate, losing Pennsylvania, Wright, Wright) I wondered if the Illinois senator really was coated in Teflon…

    This strategist pointed out a few things to keep in mind. First, Hillary began the primary as the most divisive figure in American politics, with higher negative ratings, and more Americans saying they were certain to not vote for her her, than any other candidate before her.

    Then her husband went negative on Obama, and alienated African-Americans.

    While everyone recognizes Obama’s had a tough couple of weeks, Hillary’s been going through a rough patch of her own, as well. Her “honest and trustworthy” ratings went into the toilet, in the wake of the tale of the Tuzla Dash: “Clinton is viewed as “honest and trustworthy” by just 39 percent of Americans, according to a new poll, compared with 52 percent in May 2006. Nearly six in 10 said in the new poll that she is not honest and trustworthy.” Yesterday, in North Carolina, Democrats split on whether she was “honest and trustworthy,” 49 percent to 49 percent. In Indiana, Democrats split 54 percent yes, 44 percent no.

    The press tired of covering the Clinton marriage psychodrama a long time ago and anointed her rival the secular messiah. She can’t buy good coverage lately. In campaign advertising, Obama outspent her by a large margin. Her gas tax holiday proposal was a bridge too far for even Paul Krugman.

    Finally, her bet in the Kentucky Derby died, after coming in second to “Big Brown,” thus creating the most heavy-handed political metaphor of the cycle.

    And yet almost 40 percent of Clinton voters in Indiana yesterday told exit pollsters they would vote for McCain over Obama. White independents in North Carolina split in her favor, 58 percent to 38 percent.

    This process has driven a wedge between Obama and a certain segment of the Democratic base. He’s damaged goods among many of these folks. And while Obama has time, these voters may or may not warm up to him by November.

    campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjNmZmFmNDllMGQ1MTI3MzgwZGQxNDZiOTUwYjUxYjQ=

  260. meiyingsu Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Clinton Will Not Be Pressured
    First Read: “In calls with undecided party leaders this morning, we are not sensing any urgency for Clinton to make a campaign decision this week; she’s going to be given plenty of breathing room. Don’t expect a HUGE rush of big name superdelegates to Obama’s side. If he picks a bunch of folks, they’ll be the lesser-known folks, the ones who want some early credit for getting on the bandwagon. ”

    I bet she told them loud and clear she will not be pressured! And the rest of this means Obama doesn’t HAVE any more big or middle sized delegates in the tank, he’s run out of them (or they’ve run out on him).

  261. I support Hillary .. I don’t give a rats ass about the bunch of whiney backstabbing party elite.

  262. George McGovern is NOT a superdelegate.

    How funny is that? One of the biggest losers in the Dem Party who isn’t even selected as an elder statesman so he can be a super delegate, decides its his place to tell her what to do.

  263. She won Indiana by coming from behind; she was never expected to win in NC. So what is this crap about her getting out? Just the same old anti-Hillary carping we’ve been hearing since — when? — Iowa? Or even before Iowa?

    There are some good memos and press releases on her website today 🙂

  264. HERES WHAT I THINK, SUPER D’S JUST NEED A REASON TO SUPPORT HILLARY, IF SHE HAS SOMETHING, SHE DAMN WELL BETTER FIND A WAY TO GIVE IT TO THEM, EVEN IF IT MEANS A PRIVATE LETTER TO THE SUPER D’S…

    PART ONE FROM THIS ARTICLE:
    ——————————————————————–
    Why won’t superdelegates choose now?
    Democratic officials could end Clinton-Obama impasse, but probably won’t
    WASHINGTON – Couldn’t the Democratic superdelegates just put an end to the prolonged Democratic presidential nominating struggle?

    How about today?

    In theory, the superdelegates — elected officials such as senators and governors and elected members of the Democratic National Committee — have the power to end the contest now.

    they could rally en masse to Sen. Barack Obama, who crushed Sen. Hillary Clinton in the North Carolina primary Tuesday and nearly beat her in Indiana. (There are about 265 remaining uncommitted superdelegates.)

    But interviews at the Capitol Wednesday with several Democratic senators and House members — some committed and some not — supply answers to the superdelegate riddle.

    Some of the uncommitted are holding out to wait and see what voters in the remaining primaries decide, while others are wary of alienating Democrats in their home states or congressional districts by publicly declaring support for one of the two rivals.

    Friction back home
    Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., an Obama supporter, gave his view that most of the remaining uncommitted House Democrats will back Obama. But the uncommitted “don’t want to upset anybody at all in their districts. Some have precarious districts and they don’t want to lose anybody at all” because Democratic disaffection could cost them support in their own re-election bids.

    Perhaps fitting into this category is Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana who faces a challenging re-election battle this November.

    “I will be remaining neutral for the foreseeable future,” said Landrieu. “I’m going to be very carefully watching what happens in the next couple of days, but I have been neutral, and out of respect for my supporters, half of whom are for Sen. Clinton and half of whom are for Sen. Obama, I’m going to stay that way.”

    Another neutral superdelegate, Montana Sen. Jon Tester, said he’d wait until after his state’s primary on June 3. “I’ll make my own decision based on what happens between now and then, and who I think can win in November.”

    ‘A day is like a year’
    Another Democrat keeping his cards close to his vest is Sen. Ben Cardin of Maryland. “My father told me that a day in politics is like a year. There’s a lot of things that could happen,” Cardin told a crowd of reporters as he tried to enter the Democrats’ weekly lunch meeting.

    He’ll show his hand in late May or early June. The fact that Obama won Maryland’s primary with 60 percent of the vote “is a factor — but not a conclusive factor,” Cardin said.

    rep. Lincoln Davis, an uncommitted superdelegate from a Republican-leaning district in Tennessee, said he would wait until the convention in August to announce his choice.

    “You never know where there might be a banana peel out there for someone to slip on,” he said.

    He added, “I watched a football game called the Super Bowl and there was no doubt that Eli Manning’s team was going to lose and in the last few seconds the game changed.”

    A mistake at the last second?
    He said either Obama or Clinton “could make a mistake between now and August that could basically remove them from contention.”

    He added, “I don’t know what’s going to happen between now and August, but I do know this much: Each of us was given the responsibility of being a delegate to the national convention” and those who wrote the party rules “meant for us to analyze who we thought could best win, not to put the stamp of approval on someone who may be the most popular or who may have the most votes.”

    He said he would vote for “the best person to win the presidency in November” in order “to deny the Republicans the veto pen for the next four years.”

    Ties of friendship and loyalty are also causing some Clinton superdelegates to stick with her, even though the outlook for Clinton just got much dimmer on Tuesday.

    But long-time Clinton ally Sen. Diane Feinstein of California seemed to signal Wednesday that she would like Clinton to think about folding her tent.

    i have a great fondness and great respect for Sen. Clinton. She’s a friend, I’ve worked with her all the time she’s been in the Senate and while she was First Lady. I’m very loyal to her,” Feinstein said, before letting slip the bad news. “Having said that, I’d like to talk with her and see what her view is on the rest of the race, what the strategy is.”

    Feinstein added, “I think the race is reaching a point now where there are negative dividends from it in terms of strife within the party.”

    CONTINUED: Feinstein signals need for rethinking

  265. Post comments Florida SD endorses Obama

    Obamatrons acting like this guy is a genius.

    dangelber.com/news/viewBlog.php?id=49

  266. A TM poster said she got a call for a donation on Saturday from Hillary’s campaign. It raised a red flag because they knew how much her last contribution was.
    The saturday before I also got one, he was a black man from Chicago, it threw up my red flag and I did not contribute.
    After the antics of this campaign, could it be possible for Obama’s campaign to be doing this?
    If they would steal and buy votes, why wouldn’t they take her contributions and use her phone banking to contact and support Obama.
    I believe this is the most corrupt campaign organization I have ever witnessed.
    I also want to throw out an idea, that I thought of today. I have always heard how powerfull the Clinton machine is, so if you wanted to fight it what would you do? I believe if I were a republican I would try the Daly machine and see if that would bring them down, along with duping bambi and the losers like McGovern, Dean, Pelosi and the rest of the idiots. It certainly would be a great source of pride for the republican party.
    I still will not vote for Obama because of how he treated us women and how he has treated Hillary. I will not follow Hillary in supporting that terrorist sympatherizer, no matter how the republicans will realize their dream.

  267. PART DEUX:
    ———————————————————————
    Feinstein added, “Sen. Clinton is not an also-ran. She has commanded a substantial amount of the vote.” But Feinstein added, the question is “whether she can get the delegates she needs and I’d like to know what the strategy is to do that — and then we can talk further.”

    When one of a candidate’s stalwart supporters says, in effect, “we need to talk,” it’s a bad sign.

    Good etiquette
    For some of the Obama supporters in the Senate, refraining from telling Clinton to quit the race seems to be a matter of good form and respect for a colleague who they’ll need to work with in the future.

    Story continues below ↓
    ——————————————————————————–
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    ——————————————————————————–

    “Sen. Clinton is going to make her own judgment in her own time and I respect that,” said Sen. Byron Dorgan, an Obama supporter from North Dakota. “But I think last night moved us much closer to a final result.”

    Uncommitted superdelegate Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado minimized the potential danger of intra-party friction between Obama and Clinton supporters.

    “I think if we get this thing wrapped up in the first ten days or so of June, we’re going to be just fine…. I think that’s plenty of time to get back together and to create the kind of unity that will lead to a victory in November,” Salazar said. “I’ll do what I can do in the early part of June to try to push it to a final resolution.”

  268. That article quotes only SDs who either don’t support Hillary or are waffling. It mentions those who support her and will continue to do so, but no quotes for them!

  269. I just sent an e-mail to the Democratic canidate for the MO 6th explaining why I can support her in Nov. Let’s see if I get a responce.

  270. basil9 Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    sonya,

    you have to delete the h*t*t*p*/*/ at the beginning and

    the h*t*m*l* at the end.

    Sometimes you also have to delete the w*w*w* too.

    ——————-

    Hm. I never delete anything at the end, or the www. I just mung the h t t p : / /

    Once I put up a post that had slash marks that weren’t part of a url and it got delayed in the filter too. Two /s in a row seemed to set it off.

  271. MY THINKING IS THAT, many would like a reason to support her, you know, ‘LOOKING FOR HOPE IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES, LOOKING FOR HOPE IN ALL THE WRONG FACES’… (wasnt that a song?)

    anyway, i think they think obama cant be stopped so they are defecting.
    if hillary has some secret on obama, that would give a huge reason to all these people that dont believe in a miracle.

  272. Oh wait , that should have said why I can NOT support the canidate in the MO 6th

    God I need to sleep. 🙂

  273. DEAR JAS,

    yeah i feel your pain, i went to sleep a 5 this morning, when i realized it was starting to get light…
    we are all tearing ourselves up…

    WELL AT LEAST MY CANDIDATE ON AMERICAN IDOL WAS LOOKING GOOD LAST NIGHT… 🙂

  274. Hay I beleive one of the American Idol canidates is from the Kansas City area, I just don’t know the his name 🙁

  275. I found this on another blog:

    “Corporations have been enthroned…. An era of corruption in high places will follow and the money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people…until wealth is aggregated in a few hands…and the Republic is destroyed.”
    –Abraham Lincoln

  276. actually, Obama is kinda JUST like Kanye West.

    Kanye threw a FIT after he lost at the Grammys for “best new artist.” He was all ready to go up on stage when his name wasn’t called, and he threw a fit then and there and called the committee racist or something.

    And then recently, a music reviewer gave his concert show in Seattle a B+ and he called the reviewer a F*****G C*NT and said the only way he could find any faults to his concert would be if the man were a miserable emo.

    I hate Kanye because of his arrogance. And I think I see that in Obama too.

  277. FEAR IS THE NAME OF HIS GAME.OBAMA introduced the RACE issue in his Teleprompted speech in Philadelphia.Since that day there has been a concerted effort by MSM and Barack cultists,devised and financed by MAD but cunning Jeramiah to start this campaign and and place OBAMA in the WHITEHOUSE.The AA population is getting restless and and are being exploited by there leaders to take control of this country.The apology and the weak rejection of Uncle Jerry was all part of the plan.Whatch for a dramatic rise in Civil Disobedience and senseless Hate Crimes.Just read the papers every day and make your own conclusions.OBAMA has made fools of the DNC and the RNC welcomes him with open arms.They will lead this Modern day ELMER GANTRY to the slaughter by the time the GE rolls around.OBAMA! will they put a flag or a nail in your political Coffin??????

  278. LOL sharpton in hand cuffs on katie couric just now 😀

    he organized the march today she said

  279. This is the first time in my life that I’ve seen a candidate told to get out so not to hurt the other candidate chances.

    Let keep on fighting along side with Hillary no matter what…she is not a quitter and she has earn the right…keep up the good fight.

    Obama is toast and no matter what Donna Brazile and Howard Dean says Obama has not been crown KING.

  280. “This is the first time in my life that I’ve seen a candidate told to get
    out so not to hurt the other candidate chances. ”

    and it’s not just that, it’s that it has been happening for what 4 months now. So, is the media really in the tank for Obama or helping the Republicans?

  281. When you pulled the string, the first Matel talking Barbie doll said:

    “Math is hard. Im a girl”

    Well math is hard. Im a univesity professor. Im not a girl. I think math is hard. So, help me with math. If the nomination is all over because of the math, then why doesn’t Obama have 2025 or 2209 delegates? Everyone says Hillary Clinton should drop out, but following the math, it would be easy for the SDs to end this by all declaring they support BO. Funny thing, they dont do that. Why? She should drop out so they dont have to be part of the math? She should drop out so they dont have to take a stand and make a decision???

    Fat chance.

    It ain’t over yet. Rezko trial closing arguments start on May 12th. Rev Wright hasn’t gone away. There are more contests and you know what?

    WE HAVEN’T HELD THE CONVENTION YET.

    So yes, math is hard but somehow, I think our girl, supergirl is doing the math just fine. Too bad the media cant add right.

  282. sure wish I could see a pic of Al in handcuffs, you think we could get them to get dean and brazille in their with Al!

  283. So…do you find they speak to the media all the time like axelrod, I have never noticed.

  284. You know when you think about it, last night someone had to have told cnn to wait until Lake County’s votes came in before calling it. How often does another news stations like CBS call a winner and the others not follow.

    I remember thinking last night when I heard john saying ‘we need to wait’ wondering why.

    So axelrod had to know something about the fraud occuring in Indiana last night.

  285. hereyago confloyd.

    Sharpton in cuffs.

    /www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/national/main4078788.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4078788

  286. Basil9, I loved the pic, tried to find Donna in the pic, but to no avail, she wasn’t there LOL! 🙁

  287. Great diary by TexasDarlin, pls recommend — and read it for the good sense!

    h t t p : / / http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/7/17554/47062#170

    Honest headlines written by professionals who still give a damn about objectivity — you know, that extinct breed — might read:

    Clintons Pulls Off Upset in Indiana
    Obama wins North Carolina, as Expected
    Obama Loses White Vote by 26 Points in NC
    ….
    1. Obama was favored to win Indiana all along. Both campaigns had internal predictions that Obama would carry Indiana by approximately 7 points. Only recently did Clinton begin polling favorably there and once Obama started spending outrageous sums of money on negative ads, Clinton’s double-digit lead returned to earth.

    2. 25% of the Indiana electorate lives in the Chicago media market, Obama’s hometown! On the day before the primary, the Obama campaign spent $300,000 advertising in that neighboring market.

    3. Clinton’s share of white women did go down in Indiana, compared to Ohio and Pennsylvania, which one might expect given Obama’s aggressive advertising campaign targeted at that demographic, but she still won over 60% of the white vote in Indiana, which means she picked up some white men (is that being reported? no). Somehow, though, this is being cast as “Clinton lost white women” in support of the meme that Clinton lost support among her white base yesterday. It’s simply false. She has been gaining white support since February 5th.

    4. Indiana is the only state neighboring Illinois that Obama has lost.

    And, although this post is about Indiana…

    5. Clinton also improved her share of the white vote in North Carolina (over 60% compared to 50% in Virginia). And again.. it’s not being widely reported. Obama’s share of the African American vote increased in North Carolina as well.

    Cliff notes for the weary: Clinton is the one who out-performed expectations yesterday. Clinton’s core base grew, and Obama did not cut into it. Obama lost ground in Indiana. A big Rezko-sized lot full of ground. A net 9-point loss from his own projections. Despite massive advertising expenditures and a hometown advantage with 25% of the electorate, Obama could not close the deal in Indiana.

    On April 11, Obama himself predicted that Indiana would be a tie-breaker:

    INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. — On the second day of his Indiana bus tour, Obama said the state could be a potential “tiebreaker” in the lengthy nomination process.

  288. Just to let everyone know, the hubby is doing much better and the pregnant daughter’s blood pressure is down and we are waiting for the last week of the pregnancy to be over! Thanks for your thoughts and prayers! 🙂

  289. 1950democrat, thats the real truth, not the one dean and pelosi and BM wants us to believe.
    DIdn’t Hillary look well in DC. I have never seen her look so determined. She has called to FL and MI debacle a civil rights issue. SHe is getting tough on Dean and his henchmen. Good!
    She looked positively energized and I know she could not of slept any, everyone here was up all night and I bet she was too, she is the only choice for America and the stupid DNC should realize that.

  290. Well, I signed the NO ON BO! Petition. I also sent an email to that WaPo gal that wanted to hear from us on why we won’t go BO in the fall:

    “Dear Susan,

    This email is very difficult for me to write. I am a forty-five year old woman that at first was interested in Obama and thought I could see myself voting for him if Hillary did not win the nomination. I set out to do my due diligence, researching the background of this inspirational man. Unfortunately, what I found has been very disquieting. Obama has repeatedly chosen to associate himself with dubious people and seems to have actually sought them out to help further his political career. People like Tony Rezko. Jeremiah Wright. Nadhmi Auchi (Sadamm oil for food scandal). Frank Marshall Davis (Communist). Louis Farrakhan. Reverend James Meeks. Cousin Odinga. William Ayers, who, besides bombing the pentagon, actually paid Obama to be director of one of his “charities” for many years. Obama tried to diminish the connection, but in fact, he cannot — he was essentially employed by Ayers. Obama made a very hinky deal with the devil on that house he lives in, and it will come back to haunt him. Obama’s wife seems to be a very angry person that appears to only see the worst in our country. Could it be something that she picked up while listening to the vitriolic, hate-filled speeches of Jeremiah Wright in her church?

    The church that Obama is still a member of is one that believes in a “Black Value System” that follows the teachings of James Cone. If you research Cone’s idea of Black Liberation Theology, it is a victim-based marxist theology that engenders distrust and resentment towards white people. It is a world we are trying to leave behind as a country and the fact that Obama still is a member tells me all I need to know about him. His emergence out of the cesspool that is Chicago politics, makes it impossible for me to believe that he is not already corrupt, and his wishy washy positions on healthcare, banking industry reform and nuclear power make me suspect that he is being propped up by big business interests.

    Obama is far from a uniter, in fact, he has managed to divide nearly everyone in the democratic party — and that with the complicity of the top echelon of the DNC, which is doing its darndest to lance the working class whites from the party by proclaiming that they don’t really need them to win. The willingness at all costs to throw one of the best candidates the party has ever seen off the train is emblematic of what women in this party feel is being done to them. Party members that think we will just pull the lever for Obama in the fall are smoking the hopium. Many of us will never, never, ever, vote for Obama. At least we know that McCain has experience and is a true patriot.

    It is definately time for a new party to rise to power…one that is centrist with true democratic values and a platform of compassion and that is a champion of the working class that makes this country great.

    As soon I have voted in Oregon, I will be changing my affiliation to independent. I do not recognize the democratic party as sharing my values any more. Maybe next election cycle will see the emergence of a true viable third party. I do not want to vote Republican, but it won’t keep me from writing in Hillary Clinton in the fall.”

  291. She has such positive energy, and so much of it.

    She flew to DC from IN last night, and then spoke in Shepherdstown WV this morning. How does she do it?

  292. greetings from NH.

    sitting here catching up on your posts with the television OFF. complete silence. quite nice. i will retire later and tune into whatever lame movie is on tonight. couldn’t stomach last nights coverage, so ended up watching “the guns of navarone” with gregory peck. much better than listening to pukes like brazilla.

    have a good night everyone…love ya, hill!

  293. alcina .. I’m with you, couldn’t stomach any of the shills last night or today. I will never view the media the same. If nothing else this has been a learning expereine for me .

    That being said .. I did read at TM that Matthews said tonight that BO can’t win the GE without Hill’s base … reckon the media is ready to go nuclear on him now? Now that will make me tune in.

  294. Some idiot on the TV says that Hillary Clinton can only win “the math” if she gets like 75% of the vote in the remaining states in Puerto Rico. WHY DO THEY SPREAD THIS SHIT!? This is not only false, but it is part of the MSM’s active campaign to disheartened the good Hillary supporters.

    Reasons why their analysis of “the math” is wrong:

    1. It completely ignores MI and FL. You can’t do that if you expect to win in the GE, so the DNC absolutely has to seat the delegates 100% or risk losing millions of voters. You NEED to count those votes, in both those states.

    2. Caucuses do not have an accurate vote tally, that those numbers do not even accurately represent the voting base. It’s all middle/upper class people and students who can take off several hours (often on a work day) to go scream in a room. It completely ignores people who do not have as loud a voice and have low mobility, like many among the elderly, and hard working people with JOBS, like most of the Democratic base!!

    3. Superdelegates haven’t voted for anybody yet. When they do see how miserable a candidate Waffles is, I still think they will switch in masses. There is absolutely nothing stopping them from doing so. So Hillary could get potentially a hundred or more votes there (while taking a hundred away from BO)

    4. Pledged delegates can swtich too, and they should during these circumstances.

  295. Oh, yeah, also…there was some really sketchy voting practices in some of the BO strongholds. Pretty fishy.

  296. I haven’t been watching much political coverage (except for Hillary’s speeches and interviews), and to tell you the truth, I don’t miss it one bit.

  297. hallow, is anyone following up on those voting abnormalities. I mean I just heard Hillary talking about FL and MI being civil rights issues, election fraud, is it not federal law? What can we do, if anything about it?

  298. hallow .. that is where Hill’s team has shorted her. They have needed a surrogate for EVERY network to push back on every show to counter the lies. I have called so many places and the lies that the media feeds to people are hard to disprove .. even with her policy and her speeches right in front of you in black and white when you talk to people. The media is a powerful weapon and they have definitely raped Hillary Clinton. Hillary, Bill and Chelsea. I’ll never believe anything I hear now from the media .. I will alway question the agenda.

  299. dot48

    listened to jay severin (right-wing-radio) on way home tonight. he was interviewing lanni davis(sp). both agreeing the democrats were handing the repubs the weakest candidate and how ecstatic they are at the thought of competing against a candidate with so many fatal flaws. they both agreed he will never win w/o the blue collar white vote, hills base. never.

  300. confloyd – I bet Hillary has some of the best lawyers in the country on it, if there is anything she can fight on that front. She’s a lawyer herself, remember.

    It’s all the way it is played in the MSM that we need to watch, and then let them know we won’t take their crap.

  301. Hilalry is gonna win it…i to will not vote for someone who told me i was lost my dignity..hes such a fooler
    and the worst LIAR IN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY and thinks he is god
    hey go to ls blog it might get a lil interesting

  302. The media is a powerful weapon and they have definitely raped Hillary Clinton. Hillary, Bill and Chelsea.

    That is horrible, horrible imagery there.

    I write letters to the editors of local papers, but I wish I had gotten more information from Hillary’s site herself about how to combat the lies.

    I love this part of the HRC site: h t t p : / / facts.hillaryhub.com/
    And I wish it gave more info about where the action is needed the most to fight LIES.

  303. When you pulled the string, the first talking Barbie doll would say:

    “Math is hard. I’m a girl”.

    Well math is hard. I’m not a girl. But, I am a university professor and I think math is hard.

    So let’s see what does the math show? The democratic nominee needs 2025 OR 2290 votes to secure the nomination. Neither candidate has that number. But superdelegates could end it by simply declaring that their remaining votes will all go to Obama. Then doing the math, Obama would be the nominee. But, he isn’t the nominee. Why? Because of the math. Why are all these people telling Hillary Clinton to pull out of the race? Simple:

    BECAUSE THEY WANT HER TO DO THE MATH FOR THEM.

    If Hillary Clinton drops out then the SDs dont have to commit. They dont have to make a decision. They want her to make the hard choices for them. They want her to end the race but they are too afraid to do so themselves. So following this math, the race is on. We haven’t even had the convention yet. And if you think about it, no one adds up any of the numbers for real until Denver.

    Well our girl, Hillary Clinton can do the math. She knows she can win and she’s in it to win.

  304. 2209 is the Delegate Number, Not 2025
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST

    You’ll be hearing this a lot in coming days. The true delegate number and the one Barack Obama must surpass is 2209, not 2025. Litigator Mom over at The Confluence explains, beginning with the correct calculation:

    50% + 1 of all the delegates, pledged and SDs, alloted to the 50 states, Guam and Puerto Rico.

    Not 48 states, but 50 states. She explains: [More…]

    The DNC and the talking heads all say that “MI and FLA will be seated in some fashion.” That’s doublespeak for “MI and FLA will be seated in a manner which makes permanent the disenfranchisement of MI and FLA voters.” If, for example, the DNC awards Obama the nomination at 2025 delegates, then the MI and FLA delegates will have been rendered meaningless, whether they are “seated” before or after the DNC hands the trophy to Obama. You can’t say you’re seating MI and FLA, and then permit Obama to claim victory based on a magic number that doesn’t count MI and FLA’s delegates.

    You can’t expect an air of legitimacy to surround a nominee when 2.3 million voters are excluded from making the determination. These delegates not only must be seated, they must be seated when their votes count in determining the nominee. Seating them after that, so they have a chance to rah-rah for the candidate they had no say in selecting, won’t cut it. And they certainly won’t be satisfied with going to Denver just to weigh in on the party platform.

    One person, one vote. 2.3 million votes have yet to be calculated in either the popular vote totals, the pledged delegate totals or the total number of delegates required to win the nomination.

  305. HillBillyLover- You wrote a good post!!! what you said is head on, and will be the outline of the Republicans and Karl Rove!! It is sad that MSM will not talk about these issues.

    My question, will MSM turn there back on Obama for the GE and support McCain????

  306. meiyingsu,

    Is this in the Democrat rule book?

    ‘50% + 1 of all the delegates, pledged and SDs, alloted to the 50 states, Guam and Puerto Rico.

    Not 48 states, but 50 states’

  307. Should Hillary lose the Democratic Nomination to Obama, this would be the end of the Democratic Party. It is the blue collar workers, the latinos and other minorities that are keeping the Democratic Party afloat. Absent Hillary’s coalition, all we would be left with would be the AA’s and the liberal left.

    GOODBYE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!

  308. It was thanks to Democrats like Clinton, who moved the Democratic Party to the center on social issues and made a balanced budget a platform that the Democratic Party is still alive.

    It is precisely the liberal left elements of the party that has been losing the elections since the 1960’s.

  309. The best thing we can do now is continue to work for her.

    Call in WVA tonight .. you can call til 9 pm. People are hearing the drumbeat of misinformation .. PLEASE call and let them know that she is still in this to win .. not to just be out there. Have had 3 callers so far this evening who were depressed into simply NOT GOING to vote.

    CALL FOR HER. LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT OVER. SHE WOULD NOT BE OUT THERE WORKING UNLESS SHE FELT SHE COULD WIN .. TELL WVA WE NEED THERE VOTES AND NOT THE STAY HOME ..

  310. Anduril919- I have said those same words…. think about this , since 1968 the Democrats have held the White House for only 12 years (Cater 4 yrs and Clinton 8yrs). So, you are right, the end of the Democratic party as we know it now!

  311. The fact that the democratic coalition according to DB has changed for the Democratic party, I would dare say, that if the Republican Party moves just a bit to the center, it can make its case to conservative democrats – enough to ensure that the Democratic Party loses all future national elections.

  312. I can live through a McCain .. the country can’t live through an Obama/Brazille new democrat party. I’m ready to look for greener pastures.

  313. I’m posting as a comment at mydd, at
    h t t p : / / http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/7/195555/3782#11

    Obama has got nothing TO close. He’s not running as a Democratic candidate for the White House in November (as HIllary is). He’s just running for the nomination. Axelrod and Brazile are already writing off the traditional Dem blue-collar base. Obama’s got nothing but icing, no cake under it. He’s got latte liberals, students, “Dems for a Day”. The only solid bloc he’s got is AA (mostly in red states that can provide delegates but not electoral votes). Wright has lost him the Inds and GOP who may have sincerely supported him, and bitter/cling has lost him Dean’s guys in their pickup trucks.

    Obama and some leisured guys figured out a way to game the system: collect some empty delegates from states so red that no one goes to the caucuses except the students and latte liberals. Disenfranchise two big states that weren’t going to support him (Brazile in the DNC, plus Obama taking his own name off the ballot in MI and then sabotaging all attempts at re-votes.)

    He’s also got the Corporate Media Talking Heads, but the real Dem base voters have better things to do with their weekends.

    Hillary has been bringing out the real base in prep for November, getting the big swing states lined up — which Obama has not been able to win. Dem base is ignoring him or laughing at his 37.

    Knowldegeable Superdelegates who care about winning in November know where Obama’s delegates and votes have come from, and just how non-indicative they are of November votes. And those Supers aren’t scared of being told they’re violating some rule that Obama tried to invent in the middle of the game: they know their job is to pick a winner, not rubberstamp any kind of gameable metric such a ‘delegate lead’ or even ‘popular vote.’

    (Plus which, everyone knows Obama is young enough to serve later when he’s more experienced, but this may be our only chance to get Billary’s service again.)

  314. # Anduril919 Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Should Hillary lose the Democratic Nomination to Obama, this would be the end of the Democratic Party. It is the blue collar workers, the latinos and other minorities that are keeping the Democratic Party afloat. Absent Hillary’s coalition, all we would be left with would be the AA’s and the liberal left.

    GOODBYE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!
    ******************************************

    the proof of what you say???????……………… is in how much the DNC has raised for it’s GE coffers ! zip!!! 😀

  315. Those sd’s must realize if we ever want to get any of our platforms done for the american people we must got with the Clinton’s. History tells them, why are they not listening?
    If nothing new comes up tomorrow on the home front, maybe I will try and call West Virginia, being from Texas maybe they won’t mind my thick accent! LOL!

  316. I just watched the Begala and Brazile smack down video. Oh, it was fun to see that woman in pain! This tells the true story of what trouble Waffles is in.
    She was angry and has been making as much sense as a mad hatter! She is not a happy camper.

  317. I found a play dollar bill today and I really want to mail it to Howie, and say I could send real money if you count FL and MI, it’s really totally up to you Gov. Dean!

  318. Ininla thanks for the “long, long” post earlier about THE NEW AMERICAN DISENFRANCHISEMENT. It raises questions that this election is not about the people but with power. And if it is not about the people, do we really have any control over the people in power pulling all the strings?? MSM is being played like a fine tuned fiddle against Hillary, Obama spending more $$ than Hillary and seems to have unlimited access to $$. Hillary has fought all the way and is still fighting for us!! I think the “POWERS” might have disenfranchised the wrong people and underestimated our tenacity to make Hillary 44!!

  319. Good Night every one, This has been a very sad day for me personally. No matter what happens Hillary will always be a leader, more than I can say for the Democratic Party!

  320. I just signed up on McCain’s site and blog, new handle is newdemrepublican, how do you all like that? We’ll see what transpires, I will not vote for Bambi and that is not going to change!

  321. You what I have noticed is that not one media network ever i mean ever talks about Tony Rezko, I wonder why. So much is going to happen with this guy and that should be huge news. I always heard about these words liberal media biased years ago and I never thought about it but this is what’s happening. The more Hillary attracts republicans the more CNN and Msnbc is going to hate her. There should be a law against the way the media is treating her. I bet CNN rating are going to dive after the election, do they ever think about that.

  322. This is soo fucking heartbreaking. I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA……..NEVER. What is there to do next??? I have been soo emotionally invested in Hillary. After all that she has fucking done for the democratic party, they turn around and do this to her. This country isn’t even worth fighting for when you have so many idiots, but it will play out. Just like Rev. Wright said, this country’s chickens will really come home to roost if Obama is president.

  323. And who the fuck mismanaged this campaign. Hillary never should have all of those contest after Feb. 5.

  324. Has anyone read about the new recruit in Oregon. If she can call, I can.
    If I were Hillary, I would go to her house with a press crew and meet her and let that show the dedication of her supporters. SHe is absolutely the poster child for us!!

  325. I think that BO has surrounded himself (like axelrod) with unethical people who will do/say anything to media to win. Now when you think about it that is BO’s trademark now isn’t it? unethical affiliations

  326. This was posted from someone on Hillary . com

    This was posted on the WV page by Alecki

    Subject: North Carolina and Indiana voters registered and voted before the “Rev. Wright” issue

    Before you decide on who to support for the presidential nominee, please read the following transcript from CNN.

    According to CNN in one of their exit polls, Bill Schnieder reports on May 6, 2008:

    Eighty (80) percent of Obama voters, voted before the Wright Issue in NC by mail in votes.

    This is important for Clinton supporters to know. If Senator Obama had votes before the whole “Pastor Wright Issue” was addressed by the media, the election in both states might be a little more revealing of it’s impact on voters.

    I may be wrong with the exact number. Please investigate this issue.

  327. November is a disaster waiting to happen. If Obama is the nominee and once the ballots are finalized in all 50 states watch him be indicted with no chance to have him removed from the ballot. Then again if he some how manages to win in November and is indicted afterwards his VP becomes President when he is forced to resign.

  328. confloyd,

    i’m with you on that one…
    i signed that petition promising to vote repug in general, i have made piece with it…
    i will not support the ‘NEW WHITE LIBERAL BLACK LIBERATION DEMOCRATIC PARTY’…
    and if hillary wont start the ‘NEW MODERATE WORKERS PARTY’, than i’m outie…

  329. John Kasich on FOX saying Hill should be smashing Bo over the head for trying to run out the clock.

    it is a total clusterfuck on the airwaves right now.

    They’re doing EVERYTHING they can to get her out before she starts racking up MORE wins in WV & KY.

    Scumbags.

  330. skmf12, I feel like an American first and a democrat or was a democrat second. I love this country too much to let the communist element in Obama’s life get any where near the WH. I really don’t think I could wear a Burka! Better Red than dead in a burka!

  331. SORRY FOR THE DUPLICATED POST
    BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET 10,000 SIGNS DONE

    SO IF U HAVE NOT SIGNED ,,PLS SIGN ,,
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election

    PLS PEOPLE

    ASK UR RELATIVES TO SIGN IT TOO

    PLS PLS
    PLS PLS
    ASK UR HUBBIES

    ASK UR SISTERS

    ASK UR MOTHERS

    ASK UR WHOLE FAMILY

    ASK UR CO-WORKERS

    ASK UR NEIGHBORS

    ASK ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY U KNOW

    ASK REPUBLICANS TOO

    ASK DEMOCRATS

    ASK INDEPENDENTS

    WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST 10,000 SIGNS

    PLS POST THE LINK EVERYWHERE ,,,ON ALL NEWSNETWORKS,BLOGS,NEWSPAPERS AND EVEN REPUBLICAN BLOGS

  332. Hillary meets with superdelegatesPosted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:52 PM by Domenico Montanaro
    Filed Under: 2008, Clinton
    msnbc
    From Mike Viqueira
    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Sen. Hillary Clinton emerged from the Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington after she said she met with Superdelegates. She spoke briefly to cameras, and once again stressed the importance of resolving the situation in Florida and Michigan. She did not answer a question about whether she met with Chairman Howard Dean nor did she respond when asked if she received any new superdelegate commitments.

  333. Wow, Craig Crawford snuck his way back onto MSNBC.

    He was way to honest for them and has been blackballed for months.

    Sure enough he’s smacking down Jonathan Alter’s bullshit.

  334. I hate to say this but I can’t really blame the media this time. Apparently HRC’s camp knew that Indiana was going to be really close and with early voting in NC she couldn’t close the gap to single digits. But they didn’t play the expectations game well this time. I certainly thought she’d win Indiana comfortably, maybe even get a double digit victory. Never once believed she would take NC but I was optimistic she could keep it in single digits. Also Hill shouldn’t have said NC could be a game changer if the team knew she couldn’t get within single digits. I hate to criticize Hillary because she gets plenty of that from the MSM. However if she was really behind in both states they could’ve spun her win last night, however small, and even her showing in NC as great news.

    of thta

  335. nikki,
    I agree with some of what you said, but a reality check (not for you) was never needed more by the media.

    Bottom line is they split, which everyone and their mother predicted as the likeliest outcome.

    And yet this tidal wave of quit,quit,quit is what Hill deserves from the media? For splitting two red states? Uh-uh.

  336. Everybody, please pay attention to Jeralyn’s argument here and use it in your own posts — it is important now that they don’t make him the nominee at 2025 and then agree to seat the delegates (that would still be like not counting their votes). That won’t do. The delegate numbers from FL and MI have to count before a nominee is selected (or be used in the selection process).

    ——————–
    # meiyingsu Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    2209 is the Delegate Number, Not 2025
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST

    You’ll be hearing this a lot in coming days. The true delegate number and the one Barack Obama must surpass is 2209, not 2025. Litigator Mom over at The Confluence explains, beginning with the correct calculation:

    50% + 1 of all the delegates, pledged and SDs, alloted to the 50 states, Guam and Puerto Rico.

    Not 48 states, but 50 states. She explains: [More…]

    The DNC and the talking heads all say that “MI and FLA will be seated in some fashion.” That’s doublespeak for “MI and FLA will be seated in a manner which makes permanent the disenfranchisement of MI and FLA voters.” If, for example, the DNC awards Obama the nomination at 2025 delegates, then the MI and FLA delegates will have been rendered meaningless, whether they are “seated” before or after the DNC hands the trophy to Obama. You can’t say you’re seating MI and FLA, and then permit Obama to claim victory based on a magic number that doesn’t count MI and FLA’s delegates.

    You can’t expect an air of legitimacy to surround a nominee when 2.3 million voters are excluded from making the determination. These delegates not only must be seated, they must be seated when their votes count in determining the nominee. Seating them after that, so they have a chance to rah-rah for the candidate they had no say in selecting, won’t cut it. And they certainly won’t be satisfied with going to Denver just to weigh in on the party platform.

    One person, one vote. 2.3 million votes have yet to be calculated in either the popular vote totals, the pledged delegate totals or the total number of delegates required to win the nomination.

  337. nikki22, maybe Obama gamed the systems a little too. We do need to give credit where credit is due! We know he did that in IN. and we have the video clip of him breaking election laws in Marion county,NC. Let’s put this in perspective, Hillary has had to fight the republicans, media, DNC and I think her supporters need to realize she is really just a human as the rest of us and can make mistakes as well as her staff can too. There were many people that said IN. was very close, most of us just chose to ignore it because BM was on track to try and over sell it. We JohnQPublic bought it again. Hillary and her staff worked very hard and deserves alot of credit for closing the gaps! 🙂

  338. confloyd, I agree. We need to realize that the bo campaign is much more devious than many people here imagined. All the charges being made about the clinton campaign (negative, divisive, etc.) actually reflect the Obama campaign. But isn’t it devious to make the charges to Hillary first and make them stick.

    So you have to choose how down and dirty you want your campaign to be. Obama has the connections that know how to act this way.

    Axelrod is constantly talking to the media.

  339. I have a great idea!

    Go to the local dollar store and purchase those fake money that usually is for sale in the children’s section – the ones you use for play money or to teach children how to count money – and take them out of the package and put it in a brown envelope and mail it to DNC with a letter saying until you want to represent all 50 states this is the best I can send you because you cannot expect support from your core base of the Democratic party until you hear our voices in all 50 states.

    What you think?

  340. Check this out
    Rezkowatch.blogspot.com
    Weds March 7, 2008
    Obama and the plan for a new Democratic Coalition

    Looks like Obama and Dean had this planned all alog.

  341. justmeninmountdorafl

    I am ready. Just let me know when we should do this. Should we notify the media after we do this?

  342. oh i almost forgot!!!!

    I heard on the local radio today that hillary will be in sioux falls,SD tomorrow at the air port for a campaign stop!!

    wish i could go!! why couldn’t it be saturday!! that is when i would be in the area 🙁

    well i am sure she will be there more than the once 😀

  343. justme, count me in too. I will get some play money too. Let do it on the same day. Let us know!:)

  344. Im not sure how we can coordinate this I was thinking to see how the people respond and maybe we can set this up on one day and we all mail it that day?

  345. Hey you guys, waffles name is misspelled on the petition.

    Barrack, not Barack

    Hussien is spelled incorrectly. should be hussein.

  346. Check this out
    Rezkowatch.blogspot.com
    Weds March 7, 2008
    Obama and the plan for a new Democratic Coalition

    Looks like Obama and Dean had this planned all along.

  347. i like the play money idea too

    I say we mail the bucks out on Monday, that gives everyone the time over the weekend to gather the money
    and they will receive it by wed next week.

  348. As for the expectations being too high, I haven’t yet found out WHY? What DID happen? Was it demogrpahics changing their mind, or difference in turnout? Or some problem in polling methods?

    The bots had some super new GOTV thing going in one state, a special polling place and a 24-hour shuttle?

    Anyway that’s the sort of fact we’d need to know, before even thinking about trying to blame anyone. Surely Hillary would not have set expectations too high. Though a lot of us were getting kind of carried away for a while.

  349. Hey everybody check this out
    Rezkowatch.blogspot.com

    Weds March 7,2008
    Obama and the plan for a new Democratic Coalition

    Dean and Brazile have been planning this since 2004

    The strategy of Obamas campaign comes straight from a study published April 19, 2004

    This is very interesting

  350. “Anyway that’s the sort of fact we’d need to know, before even thinking about trying to blame anyone. Surely Hillary would not have set expectations too high. Though a lot of us were getting kind of carried away for a while.”

    Yes, I agree with you. Why were the polls so skewed or which ones were not.

  351. That is a great idea!!!! I get DNC mailers every week. Here goes the monopoly money into those envelopes. Thank you for the idea!

  352. FYI, it is only 8.95 to send a box of oranges to the DNC. The US Post Office has a flat rate box that you can fill with the oranges….just a though. Is it worth 8.95???

  353. what would be funny would be to find a little donkey figurine…..maybe something from shrek?

    and mail that in and tell them we are turning our donkeys in for a elephant

  354. You know the dem party should be blaming the arrogance of BO for the split in the party. Obama was the one arrogant enough to say that Hillary supporters would support him, but his supporters would not supporter her.

    Blame Obama.

  355. I just got back from Indiana. I was in Kokomo which is in Howard County and we did fine there 56 vs 44, and 67% vs 33% in the precincts I was involved with.

    Gary Indiana was obviously a different story. I was a long way from there but some of the people I was with are very familiar with that situation. They told me what happened was the local officials were obama people and they hired more obama people as temporary workers to handle the volume, and that is how the fraud got perpetrated.

    They laughed at the idea that there were 11,000 absentee ballots. Historically anytime there is more than 1,000 absentee ballots in that venue there is grounds for suspicion. Gary is low income predominantly AA. Mayor is an obama scumbag.

    If we have underestimated anything in the course of this campaign it is the degree to which the Obama campaign will lie cheat and steal on a nationwide basis to achieve their objectives.

  356. wbboei: blog about that everywhere! send it to everyone. even if they ignore, it is still out there.

  357. Contribution Details
    Date: May 07, 2008 10:58 PM EDT
    Contact: HillGuy
    Amount: $100.44

    Let’s go people! Donate! Everyone can afford $10.44. Hillary will never give up on us, and I for one will NEVER give up on her!

  358. not only that wbboei: cnn knew to wait until declaring her win. so who told them axelrod? did they find it weird? or did they go along with it?

  359. i hope the campaign pushes this to the lawyers, this is awful. What kind of men do this?
    I am going to send the amt of money in play money i have sent to Hillary. JUst to let themknow how much they could have had. Poor little Howie, he needs his own Youtube video, Pooooor Hoooowie, leave me alonnnnne!

  360. We need a person who kinda looks like dean opening boxes and boxes of oranges and play money!! That would make a great youtube video, what yah think? He could be crying saying leaaavvvvee meee allonnnne!

  361. everyone,
    WE can make this happen for Hill! We just need to MAKE calls, get people voting, so we can get the popular vote lead! THAT’S HOW we will win this!

    With every ounce of my fiber, I am going to fight for Hillary! And you should too.

    LET’S STAND STRONG, MAKE CALLS, DONATE, AND DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN DO TO HELP HILLARY!!! Okay, now who’s with me?!

    watch these videos for a little inspiration and CALL, CALL, CALL:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1tXhJniSEc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yK3ydWs_Kc

  362. fox news rang the alarm on the busing and special poling places for obamabots a week ahead, no one listened, not here, not anywhere.
    oh well…

  363. Hi guys–
    Just returned from the “Generations of Women” HRC fundraiser in DC with Dorothy Rodham, Chelsea, and HRC. Great event; huge turnout–people from all over the country!!!
    First event was with Terry MacAuliffe and campaign people: Q & A; sort of the usual. I gave a little plug for our online volunteers then expressed frustration that msm did not ask questions about Odinga and Kindhearts–looked like McAuliffe didn’t know what I was talking about?
    Anyway, another woman said his assistant was furiously writing things down as I spoke (how could it be possible they don’t know?)
    In the middle of my question this woman to my right started sort of moaning and crying. They gave her the mic and she said “Please, please don’t say anymore–the people in the midwest are so racist it makes me cry” and then she did–cry (really weird)
    I was kind of anxious (I don’t usually make people cry–): I was pretty sure I hadn’t said anything offensive. The jist was: she thought we shouldn’t criticize Obama (crowd did NOT agree)
    Stephanie Tubbs (sp?), Barbara Mikulski, Chelsea–all very good.

    Then HRC–talking for a few minutes when this hippie dude stood up on his chair with this huge black banner that said “Obliterate Iran?” and started shouting. Couple of people tried to grab his banner but he was sort of tustling with them–eventually SS hauled him away
    HRC: totally cool: “I hope he didn’t stand on the cookies”
    Ok, So, a little bit further HRC says something about pro-choice (?)–and this crazy lady–young, I thought–started screaming about “killing babies” or something
    So she gets hauled away…Crowd furious!!! HRC: totally cool: “well, at least I hope they paid”
    Here’s the weird part:
    These people were sitting in seats close to the stage–$5,000 per table. The cheapest seats were $250.—so the Obama peoople (I think they were at same table) shelled out some serious dough to try to disrupt the proceedings…

  364. Marie3548,

    Thanks for posting that.

    EVERYONE on this blog should read that at rezkoWatch.

    Couldn’t help but notice this; “”[A]ccelerated primary schedule” as part of the Dean strategy. They were smart enough not to outline how to specifically beat the Clintons, which goes hand & glove with all this.

    What I’m wondering is where did this come from, why are we just seeing it now? Is the campaign starting to leak some of what it knows from behind-the-scenes?

  365. This definitely puts Howard Dean, as not being neutral, this should make us be able to call for his resignation, shouldn’t it?

  366. mj: I noticed that too. she picked up one from NC and the other one from IN. Nothing in the headlines. I haven’t watched the news today.

  367. Not a single positive word has been written or uttered about Hill’s winning IND.

    Tomorrow’s NYT & WaPo, with two miserable articles, do nothing to change that.

  368. and noone seems to remember BO said IND was the tie-breaker.

    Not even in Hill’s camp. WTF?

    Most notably in the WaPo story is an unnamed campaign source saying if SD’s move en masse, “that’s it.”

    Where’s the talk of going to the convention?!

  369. Kathleen Sebelius http://www.governor.ks.gov

    Office of the Governor
    Capitol, 300 SW 10th Ave., Ste. 212S
    Topeka, KS 66612-1590

    Voice 1-877-KSWORKS (1-877-579-6757)
    Local 785-296-3232
    For the Hearing Impaired 1-800-766-3777

    Email the governor…

    Governor’s Office of Constituent Services
    Toll-Free 1-877-KSWORKS (1-877-579-6757)
    Local 785-296-6240
    Fax 785-368-8788

    Governor’s Office of Government Affairs
    Voice 785-368-8500 Fax 785-368-8788

    Governor’s Office of Communications
    Voice 785-368-8500 Fax 785-368-8788

    Governor’s Federal Grants Program
    Voice 785-291-3205 Fax 785-291-32

  370. she gives a boring response to the state of the union address. she is a supporter of waffles.

  371. Here is an amazing scene from Elizbeth golden age the storm scene, A women in power facing all odds and the storm to me is the media and you will relate this with Obama and the media. The end is the best because this mans supporters turn thier back on him just like we hope the supers will do to Obama!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNQjdHlGmrk

  372. The media is really pushing this time…we need to be able to blog everywhere and fight this.

  373. dedfg Says:
    May 7th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
    didn’t BO throw alice palmer under the bus years ago?

    Yes — in a very nasty way, and with no excuse. The story is at h t t p : / / ironmyvote.com/palmer.htm and more details and cites at h t t p : / / 1950democrat.livejournal.com

  374. Can somebody PLEASE make a caption for this photo of a baby slapping BO in the face? Like what they do with the cat macros?

    h t t p : / / d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20080508/2008_05_06t085250_283x450_us_usa_politics.jpg?x=216&y=345&sig=NVU5G0mpieF1SQOo_jqkLw–

    It’s funny that even little kids know instinctively that this man needs to GET AWAY.

  375. thanks 1950.

    This is the 3rd person so far that Obama has thrown under the bus for his own ambitions.

    The reason I ask is I blog at another website and it sounded like she supported him….I wanted to respond that he threw her under the bus but wanted to be sure before I did.

  376. blue:

    I wouldn’t say this is it, more that we need to push back just as hard everywhere.

    Sometimes it seems like there is no impact when we blog, but there is!!! The site where I saw the vp rumor, I have been blogging about the Lake County ‘issue’. and BO connections. That way people who only read the blogs and not respond still see there are issues with Obama.

  377. the information about Kathleen Sebelius, is not new. It was rumored back in Jan/Feb. I don’t care, who he has on the ticket, I will never vote for him.

  378. dedfg Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    thanks 1950.

    This is the 3rd person so far that Obama has thrown under the bus for his own ambitions.

    The reason I ask is I blog at another website and it sounded like she supported him….I wanted to respond that he threw her under the bus but wanted to be sure before I did.
    ———————–

    Palmer was sitting with the HIllary campaign in the fall of 2007, and I’ve heard she was ‘campaiging’ for HIllary very recently. As of a profile in spring or summer 2007 she hadn’t decided who to support.

    Palmer did support Obama in 1996, as the stories say — before he threw her under that bus.

    If anybody wants more details or comments I could supply it. Well, there are many details I don’t know either.

  379. ok birdgal….I am glad it is nothing new. This other website is trying really hard to gain the female vote for bo, so they posted that ‘rumor’. Since it is nothing new I will not worry about it.

    But I do need a good webpage or article on his connections to post.

  380. winhillary-

    Here, lemme try this again with the photo of the baby slapping BO:

    h t t p : / / img366.imageshack.us/img366/4232/hittingbozl9.jpg

    See if that works.

    PLEASE can somebody help me think of an awesome caption for that? I want to put it on my blog. It really sums up how good even a child’s intuition can be. If only a lot of these Obamabots had the brains of that baby.

  381. Another note to Howard, responding to his request for DNC $$$:

    ***************
    Dear Dr.Dean,

    Donna Brazile said on CNN last night that the Democratic Party is changing and “we” don’t need the votes of working class people anymore. She stated the Party is younger and more educated and that is the New Democratic Party.

    So now I am chopped liver?

    I have told you before: no money, no time, no nothing until ALL 50 states are fully seated, before the convention, and, Donna Brazille drops her “undeclared”, fake, unaligned candidate support.

    Just step up to the plate Donna, and tell the truth. Won’t, can’t trust you until then.

    Guess I’ll give whatever I have all to Senator Clinton again this month.

    Many more like me, ya’ll. Wake up and smell the defections (sorry, I meant “coffee.”

    Sincerely.

  382. Blue Democrat I dont know why that info is surfacing now. But it plays into what Brazile was saying last night on CNN to Paul Begala.

    Over on Taylor Marsh here is a reply Brazile sent to Alice

    From: Donna Brazile
    Subject: RE: Switching to Republican Party – I’m a Hillary supporter
    Date: May 7, 2008 7:48 PM

    Honestly, this is the 9th email today, so I believe you’re ready to not only
    destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights.
    Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non stop tax cuts to
    the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq.

    Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it.

    Please don’t send these emails to working people like myself. Notice you
    sent it to my campus address. I am a working class person. Can you find
    someone who drinks latte?

    Message to the base: stay home.

    Can you imagine this woman acts like she is the Democratic Party. She is going to send it to every Superdelegate so much for UNITy.
    This just seals the deal if Obama is the nominee he wont get white women, blue collar dems, Regan Dems, and most certainly he will never get my black ass nor the other 9-10% of AA’s.

    Check out this blog
    http:sugarspice.typepad.com/sugar_n_spice_meeting-pl/2008/05/howard-dean-is.html

    Howard Dean Is Turning This Blackwoman Into A Republican
    a good read.

    Some black people are tired of Obama taking them for granted but you wouldnt know it by the media.

  383. Good post emjay
    I joined Mccain’s campaign and sent my welcome letter to Howard Dean and the DNC when they were begging me for money.

  384. mj: “Sebelius is a dud and she won’t do anything for BO on the ticket.”

    good to hear…then it is just someone over there trying to yank my chain.

  385. Hallow,
    “PLEASE can somebody help me think of an awesome caption for that?”

    “He doesn’t feel fake?”

  386. Blue Democrat – I’m thinking of something along the lines of “This one’s for Hillary!” *slap*

  387. marie3548 : I think SUGAR used to post here too. I read her blog quite a bit too. It is very good.

  388. Man i’m sure that the percentage of AA supporters that support Hillary are pissed right now! They are looking at most of the identity voters and are most likely shocked! The problem here is that if you support a person that is not electable and has no real words of direction you are only voting for them because of other reasons, race sex and money baby!

  389. Howard Dean Is Turning This Black Woman Into a Republican

    Let me first say, as I have tried to remember to do on other occasions, congratulations to the Obama campaign for winning North Carolina last night. I had hoped that Hillary’s win in Indiana would be more substantial, but a win is a win, so save it Obama supporters. I didn’t hear you guys saying that the 7 vote not percent margin in Guam was a draw. So, shut it. A sister is weary this morning. So very weary. I can only imagine how Hillary is feeling.

    Over the past several months, I have watched all of this primary election season stuff play out with baited breath. Believing that despite how poorly the Democratic National Committee has designed our primary season, we would all keep level heads and make sure that we put forth the candidate with the best chance of beating John McCain in November–Hillary Clinton. I’m still trying to stay optimistic, but I’m not feeling so good about things at this very moment.

    The DNC is sitting on its hands, poised to not count the votes of two of the biggest states in the UNION, has hoisted a relative unknown, inexperienced, con artist onto the world stage, approved these ridiculous caucuses and called splitting delegates in each state a great idea….what in the world is a smart woman to do? My nerves can’t deal with this turmoil. If this is the way it must always feel to be a Democrat, then it may be time for me to get off of this donkey and get onto an elephant.

    In kindergarten, we learn that somebody has to win and somebody has to lose. Why in God’s name do we, Democrats, split delegates in each state?????? Apparently, we’ve already endured one such other situation like the one we are dealing with today–the infamous Convention of 1968. Why haven’t the “powers that be” done something to rectify this madness before now? No, I tell you, I can’t keep going through this. I’m almost at a point where I either switch to the Republican party or never vote in a presidential election again in my life and just vote in local elections because we Democrats appear to be prepared to do this same thing over and over again…insanity.

    What does it matter? It’s just my one vote.

  390. “Hill picks up two new supers today, and yet the ap headline is undecideds moving Obama’s way.”

    Where did you guys see this info? thanks.

  391. If Obama does receive the nomination through dishonest practices, the only way to save democrat party is to cause him to lose. If he loses the GE, Dean, Pelosi, etc will be powerless. Hillary can say, I told you so. She will win the nomination in 2012.

    The question is will AA support her in 2012. That’s my fear?

  392. dedfg: I wouldn’t be surprised, if the obamabots are thinking about a female, but that would be a riskier ticket. He would need to have someone more experienced to run with.

  393. warehouse553 – Not to be contrary, but if the party is completely powerless, why would she want their nomination anyway?

    I think we need to CHANGE the party, not destroy it. Being a Democrat means a lot to me, and it hurts to see people taking it for granted and making hugely DUMB moves within their leadership.

  394. warehouse: I guess I can only think about her winning the nomination now. We need to get the info out that she received 2 more supers today.

  395. dedfg, here’s the RW link for 12 connections the Republicans will use to destroy his chances of being elected … he’s unelectable.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/rezkowatch-factchecker-obamas.html

  396. guys, just remember the media is trying to push her out because she is going to whoop him in WV and Kentucky.

  397. birdgal are you ever on the fsu PI site? I am not a member so I always wonder how things are going there….since that is the first place I started blogging.

  398. If the DNC believes that Hillary Clinton’s supporter are not neccessary and that “the Annoited One” can carry the party by himself…then DO NOT GIVE A DIME TO THE DNC!!!!

    What angers me is to total lack of any respect for Hillary and her supporters. Not one damn courtesy has been given to this wonderful, brave person…only demeaning comments and dismissive remarks.

    Let me say this again…it’s not the republicans that is the problem…it our own party.

  399. the dnc thinks carbynew that bo will be able to win people back…..we need to make sure they know that this will not happen.

  400. Nikki22 says:

    “I hate to say this but I can’t really blame the media this time. Apparently HRC’s camp knew that Indiana was going to be really close and with early voting in NC she couldn’t close the gap to single digits. But they didn’t play the expectations game well this time. I certainly thought she’d win Indiana comfortably, maybe even get a double digit victory. Never once believed she would take NC but I was optimistic she could keep it in single digits. Also Hill shouldn’t have said NC could be a game changer if the team knew she couldn’t get within single digits. I hate to criticize Hillary because she gets plenty of that from the MSM. However if she was really behind in both states they could’ve spun her win last night, however small, and even her showing in NC as great news.”

    Time was running out for Hillary Clinton. These two states were a must win if she wants momentum for the next contests. Hillary is a realist in admitting this.

    What they did not count on is the massive amount of mailed in votes before the Wright controversy started.

  401. hallow,

    If Barack wins the presidency, the Clintons are finished. The hatred is overwhelming. In order to gain an advantage psychologically, we need big wins in WV, KY, PR, I mean blowouts.

    I think everyone underestimates the power of racism. That the supers fear taking the nomination away from him because of a perception of white men denying the black man.

    We need the popular vote as a way to say we won. Something to stop Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Jr from threatening the democrat party and promising riots.

    I know I sound cautious but I never thought the media and Obama surrogates could falsely label the Clintons as racist.

  402. warehouse: “we need big wins in WV, KY, PR, I mean blowouts.”

    I disagree, I think she just needs to win….I don’t want the same thing happening to her again as it did this week.

  403. Don’t look at the news…put all your focus into making Hillary#44.

    Okay everybody vented and let off negative energy. Now go on to West Virginia and donate whatever you can to the campaign.

  404. “I think everyone underestimates the power of racism.”

    We need to make sure people don’t underestimate the power or sexism.

  405. carbynew, this is exactly what has pist me off. The shear demeaning comments, sitting in that church on Christmas day when old Rev. made his ridin’ dirty comment about Bill. I bet he was cheering him on. The disrespect for Bill, Chelsea and anything and everything Hillary. The cheating at the caucas’s and at the primaries. Now they want to offer her the VP spot, so she can do all the work and numb nutz can get all the credit. Let’s see that my job right now, as it is many a woman’s job right now. The DNC can screw themselves!

  406. I console myself to the fact that should Hillary lose this nomination, McCain will win the General Elections by a big margin against Obama. And it will be Hillary in 2012.

  407. Before I get piled on…I still have a reasonable expectation of Hillary winning this nomination.

  408. lol @ Anduril919

    I am curious though if the media really is in the tank for BO or are they Republican who want BO to lose the GE.

  409. Hillary won the debate in both NC and IN:

    She won 57-43 among voters who decided on Election Day (12% of votes)
    She won 58-42 among voters who decided in the last 3 days (7% of votes)
    She won 56-44 among voters who decided in the last week (7% of votes)
    She won 52-48 among voters who decided in the last month (20% of votes)

    Unfortunately, Obama won 52-48 among voters who decided more than a month ago… this comprised 55% of the voters in NC and IN.

  410. I am curious though if the media really is in the tank for BO or are they Republican who want BO to lose the GE.

    I think that they are in the tank for BO. Most of MSM except FOX leans democratic.

  411. “…this comprised 55% of the voters in NC and IN.”

    wow, I didn’t realize the percentage. No wonder there was such a push for early voting.

  412. dedfg:

    the numbers are about IN. I’m sorry about the misleading statement.

    You can see this at h t t p : / / jerome-armstrong.mydd.com /

  413. Anyone know the process for switching parties? And can I pick up additional forms for doing as such to distribute?

  414. i cannot wait to hit the assisted living centers should hillary drop out until then i and my extended family would like to tell the dnc to kiss our collective arse.

  415. I was just reading about the New Black Panther Party and its blames the Clinton’s for some law in 1993 the is responsible for putting 50% of its people in jail. I figure thats why the Rev. Wrights, Farrahkan and Obama’s hate the Clinton so much.
    I guess they think people can break the law and not go to jail. If I break the law, I go to jail, I don’t understand this kind of thinking!

  416. hi hillfans. getting on later than usual because i was trying to get my damn wireless router to work for my laptop. needless to say it did not work. i have to get somebody i know to check this out.

  417. hillfans, i heard on o’reilly’s radio show that if obama is not the nominee there might be riots. this is not a idle threat. this is real. damn shame. i have been hearing this from all over the radio. it is like blackmail.

  418. Heard it too. We’ve been hearing it all along. It is blackmail Terrondt.

    and where the fuck does TIME magazine get off putting out a cover with “and the winner is” and a pic of BO?

    It’s time for Big Dawg press conference where he straightens everyone out. And forget that overshadowing bullshit.

    He should step up and make the case. The real case.

    As only he can.

  419. Wow something to think about—- my parents voted for hill in Pa and have sworn to vote McCain if Obama gets nom. I sked them if race had anything to do with it my mother said no, but my dad said yes race has everything to do with if I asked why and he said this is the black mans last stand . And he waits to vote for a hispanic and I have ben assurerd thar he wsill.

  420. what really gets my blood boiling is these turncoat fucking backstabbin rats that were NOTHING before bill pulled there asses from the scrap heap into his administration. now they repay him by trashing him and his hillary. and my fellow african americans. they had it so good in the 90’s. bill clinton filled the administration with blacks in positions of power to effect policy. how they repay him? calling him a race baiter. THAT’S GRADITUDE FOR YA!

  421. just look up recreate68, Henry and Terrondt, and it will show you the time,place andhow they are going to do it. They have been planning it for 1 year. I will not be blackmailed, it just makes me more determined to work harder for Hillary!

  422. Veryfew were ever truly with them, Terrondt, not outside the administration, in Congress, etc.

    Those people are pols first, and they always thought it safer to either hide at the first sign of trouble or to turn on the Clintons, there was more milage in it for them…..

    Most disgraceful thing ever.

  423. hey I am a mutt’
    but over trhe past few months I cannot deny my wasp relatives the dispoportionate amount of african americans on the news. how many hispanics are on cnn as opposed to blacks and what percentage of the population do they represent?? I wanted to be liberal but cnn had 60 % and i had to agree with my hispanic brothers.

  424. “Before I get piled on…I still have a reasonable expectation of Hillary winning this nomination.”

    Well, I guess that makes 5 of us; you, me, Hillary, Bill and Chelsea.

    I am sadly disappointed in the responses from many of the people (but not all by all means) on this site. Just a week or so ago, everybody was crowing so loudly about the end of Obama due to his scandals, his loss in PA. etc. “Oh how the Obama people are in tears” you bellowed with such puffed out chests. Now Hillary comes from behind and wins IN and loses a state she never really had a chance to win, and look at all the sunshine patriots. I guess Hillary deserves to lose if this is the mental state of her most loyal followers. If Richardson is Judas Priest, you are Peter the denier “I never knew the woman.”

    So what happen if tomorrow Obama gets hit by a streetcar and is sidelined for the duration of the political season? The defeatist crowd here would suddenly transform into Hillary’s long lost best friends. It is easy to cheer for someone when everything is going great, much harder when the chips are down. But this fight is only finished when Hillary says it is and not a minute sooner. It’s a good thing other persons who have been in similar situations, like John McCain, Harry Truman, Winston Churchill, Abe Lincoln, and a host of others didn’t believe the death notices pronounced by the media and competitors.

    Those of you who are prematurely switching parties, I hope your faith in McCain is stronger than it was for Hillary if his fortunes wane for a moment during the election.

    I truly pray that Hillary never visits this site as it has been rumored. She would drop out for sure.

  425. ouch
    paddy4 hill
    i am in til the end. but i wil register and i will make sure everyone including assisted homes knows what is at stake.

  426. Threats of riots! Good! That’s the one way to make sure the white working class doesn’t start voting for Waffles just to be conciliatory.

    If anyone riots, it will be the rich white boys like Ayers and his wife. AAs like and respect Hillary. It is just natural they’d get taken up in the idea of an AA POTUS.

  427. I pray no one is attempting to explain to me what is at stake with regards to the constitution!!!!

  428. paddy4Hill
    Wonderful post.
    It is so easy to twirl with the breeze, emotionally. It is like Kerry windsurfing. “I believed she was gonna win, before I believed she was not gonna win.”

    I do that, too. But when I take a breathe, I realize something in me KNOWS she is going to win. I always get that same answer!

  429. “But when I take a breathe, I realize something in me KNOWS she is going to win. I always get that same answer!”

    Oklahomahills, I feel exactly the same way. I can not explain it, but I deep down have always felt she would be the nominee. It is not part of my rational thinking process. Call it woman’s intuition.

  430. For those of you, who are still in this with Hilary, make certain to contribute something, no matter how small, if you are financially able to. It is not just a money thing, although that is important too (wouldn’t it just throw a monkey in the wrench of the media’s story-line about “and the winner is” if her fundraising showed new momentum?). By donating, you are also putting a positive thought into the Universe that we have faith in her success.
    Right now, with so many believing the media’s lies which are sending negative Hillary energy out there, we can counter it by having confidence in her ultimate victory. And when we physically hit that “contribute” button, we are doing just that. Showing Hillary and ourselves that we still believe. Please consider contributing today. Thanks.

  431. “Threats of riots! Good! That’s the one way to make sure the white working class doesn’t start voting for Waffles just to be conciliatory.

    If anyone riots, it will be the rich white boys like Ayers and his wife. AAs like and respect Hillary. It is just natural they’d get taken up in the idea of an AA POTUS.”

    If you look at the numbers, it is the white latte drinking liberals who are professing that they will not vote for Clinton in the GE, NOT the AAs. According to a recent poll, 33% of AAs have unfavorable feelings about Clinton against 50% of whites. Only 19% percent of Obama supporters profess that they will vote for McCain in the GE if Clinton is the nominee. ( Historically speaking, this number is quite inflated during the primary season and this will dissipate as we near the GE )

    But why aren’t they talking about the 28% of Clinton supporters who will vote for McCain in the GE?

  432. paddy4Hill, your posts ALWAYS inspire me. I have the same feeling you and oklahomahills have. I KNOW she is going to win. Something within not only my psyche but my heart KNOWS she is going to win. Call it gay man’s intuition.

    BTW, Obamabots know she is going to win too. You don’t threaten to riot when things are going your way. Think about that for a minute.

  433. ““But when I take a breathe, I realize something in me KNOWS she is going to win. I always get that same answer!”

    Oklahomahills, I feel exactly the same way. I can not explain it, but I deep down have always felt she would be the nominee. It is not part of my rational thinking process. Call it woman’s intuition.”

    Paddyhill, same here. I don’t exactly know how but I feel that in the end, Hillary is going to win this.

  434. In past 24 hours, my mom, grandma, and I have collectively donated $350.00 to Hillary.

    Everyone can afford $10.44. Let’s do this.

  435. paddy4hill

    It’s frustrating! Primary voters don’t seem to want hear or care about his scandals or dishonesty. His followers believe he’s the second coming. If anybody attacks him in a truthful way, they’re called racist! We need something like him having an affair or a dvd of him sitting in that church nodding along while the Rev was preaching a hate speech. If he got hit a by a car, the media would find some way to blame Hillary!

    Our best bet is to defeat him in one of his states! Oregon may be doable. However, this time, we lower the expectations so if Hillary wins by 1 vote, its a victory!

  436. Hope you’re not counting me among the lilly-livered there, Paddy.

    I want to fight, an all-out fight. Been calling for it for months.

    The campaign always got scared off by coverage portraying her as negative rather than sticking with it, engaging Obama head on and making him fight dirty (not that he didn’t, but I’m talking a sustained, all-out nasty battle that can’t be twisted or minimized).

    We win that fight.

  437. The Clintons are the best brass-knuckle street fighters in the business. If this goes to a convention floor fight, whose side would you rather be on? The Clintons or Gutter Ball’s?

  438. Thanks HillGuy. Well, let’s put our “other” selves to work and start sending out some good vibes for the Lady.

    You are right. They know this thing is far from over. Fox and others have more cards to play but are smart. They won’t use them until they need to. If they think they can trash him now, they will go for it soon. If they don’t think Hill can take ample political advantage, they will save them until late October. Just keep in mind who owns Fox, the Neo-cons money man Murdoch. Obama knows they have more goodies and so wants to close this deal ASAP. This is why we need to buy Hillary some more time to install confidence that she can capitalize on whatever bombshell drops next.

  439. “The Clintons are the best brass-knuckle street fighters in the business. If this goes to a convention floor fight, whose side would you rather be on? The Clintons or Gutter Ball’s?”

    While this is true, I feel that the Clintons are holding back. There has been rumors that the Clintons have something on Obama that will be disastrous for Obama in the GE, but they love the Democratic Party so much and are so scruplous that they don’t want to release it.

    When Hillary says that she will work her heart out for the eventual Democratic nominee, I believe her. When Obama says this, I don’t.

  440. I would never doubt you for a minute Blue. And lots others too on this site. There are just some others who have run at the first shot of the cannon. This is a serious game, politics. It is not for the faint of heart. Blue, we and the others are all in this together to the (may I say ‘Bitter”) end!

  441. Obama supporters who profess that they will vote for McCain in the GE will cave pretty quickly and vote for Hillary.

    Why? Though they are mad at Hillary, now, McCain is the WAR devil which they hate as much as we hate Waffles.

    They have no real gripe. They have not had the daily battering from BM, Dean, or the opponent. All this stuff.

    Not counting the vote in 2000 is still a bitter experience and they have not had that repeated upon them.

  442. The media narrative is so transparent it is almost laughable. Calling for her to drop out right before two of the BEST states for her demographically. The problem for them becomes how does it look when Big Media is calling Gutter Ball the “presumptive nominee” and then he loses WV and KY by 30 points. That is going to be a big problem.

    Has McCain lost a state since he’s been the “presumptive nominee”? Did Kerry lose states after he was the “presumptive nominee” in 2004? HELL NO!

    This is why the talk of him being nominee can go fuck itself. PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEES DO NOT CONTINUE TO LOSE STATES.

  443. “how does it look when Big Media is calling Gutter Ball the “presumptive nominee” and then he loses WV and KY by 30 points. That is going to be a big problem.”

    Finally, a positive thought, something to look forward to. Thanks HillGuy.

    I know Paddy, thanks. Yes, together till the end of Bitter!

  444. “Finally, a positive thought, something to look forward to. Thanks HillGuy.”

    I second that. Way to go HillGuy!

  445. Math:

    The presumptive nominee will the one who has secured 2209 delegate votes. Since neither of them has done so we still have a nomination contest.

  446. MIKA is getting as nervous as aJune Bride on Morning JOE.She loves to point out stories and photo ops of her semi-black dreamboat.Her fidgety,giggely,nervous twitches.mooning,hormonal juices running,and her obvious crush is getting absolutely tiresome and sickening.How can this bucket of love OBAMA,continue to return each morning.MO had better watch out,she may have a stalker parked at her door waiting for BO to exit. REAL SICKO ,this one. A soap opera in the making.

    By ABM90 IS THIS WHAT JOURNALISM HAS BECOME ?

  447. I read today Hillary is making specific comments now regarding the electibilty of Obama. I’m glad she is doing this publicly. The current heavy duty MSM narrative is aimed at suppressing her vote in the upcoming primaries. We can’t let that happen. Now is the most important time that we continue to blog, raise funds, and get the truth out on what is happening.

    I’ve heard some claim that the SD’s are holding back from a mass endorsement because they don’t want to make a further divide with Hillary supporters until she drops out. The problem with this thinking is that if they were so in the camp for Obama they could have come out enmasse for him earlier. What would be the reason for not doing that, especially when there were calls for Hillary to drop out? I think there is an undercurrent of support for Hillary among the SD’s and genuine concern over Obama’s electibility, both of which Dean doesn’t want to admit. To me it doesn’t matter how many SD’s Obama may have–the story of what is happening,how it happened, and who is the true Obama is the reason for Hillary’s continued fight. It’s why we must continue on with her.

    The media is really something. Nothing changed Tuesday night except that there were indications Hillary’s support had increased among whites and Obama’s continued to decline. Yet Time magazine and the MSM have declared Obama the “winner”. The only check and balance on the press right now is us. Hillary is not quitting and neither should we. At the very least there is a very important untold story to tell here and the voters need to know.

  448. Goodmorning Hillfans

    All we just need to do is to make sure people of the remaing States know that their votes do count. The media is trying to supress their votes and we have to make sure that does not happen.

  449. straight from WV .. the media is making them think they don’t matter.

    TELL THEM THEY DO…

    A lot of these people are elderly, working and low income. They hear “word” on the street from the msm.

    Please call WV .. Don’t let a good turnout be lost there.

    Enthusiasm for her is high .. it’s the media trying to strangle it.

    I hope Bill C gets there and does a lot of high publicity but I know that he has to be other places as well…please call.

  450. Good Morning!
    Here’s a great post from TM about the ETHNO-MATHEMATICS of the campaign.
    Excellent.
    on Clinton.
    Wonk the Vote | 05.08.2008 – 08:19 am | #
    From Jeff Gold @ Stop-Obama.org
    ——————————–

    For over three decades, America’s Intellectuals and Pundits have remained silent on the relationship between mathematical literacy and citizenship. Who cares and what’s the connection?

    Well, when it comes time to counting delegates, and votes, you can’t remain Democratic, and Mathematically Challenged, at the same time. Maybe in a Fake Democracy like Iran or Liberia, but not in one where ballots are actually counted.

    If anyone still believes that Obama isn’t really such a serious threat to America after all, just take a good look at what Ethnomathematics means for Participative Democracy:

    2,500,000 Votes which Don’t Count, and a 20 delegate which magically “equal” election Victory!

    Never mind the 533 remaining delegates up for grabs, Obama has 20, eight plus a dozen, a two and a zero, over Clinton! Using Voodoo from Ethnomathematics, 20 means he’s won the Democratic Nomination! Hurray, everyone in Voodoo Land.

    Obama has won… yup…that’s why he’s still 210 delegates short of 2209, and Clinton is 230 short, with the next 60-70% of delegates (not independent delegates) likely to go for Clinton. Oh sure, Obama has already won – you saw it on CNN, read it on the Internet.

    Since Mr. Who? has won the Election, he naturally needs a new round of Psychological Warfare to prove it. I mean its all grassroots right: outspending Clinton 5-1, and leveraging the country’s three biggest media corporations lobbying 24/7 on his behalf?

    And how much more grassroots can you get, than those convenient Caucuses where you can get your Code Pinks, MoveOns and worked up Black activists, to intimidate Clinton supporters from showing up?

    The only place Mr.Who? has won, is in Lala-Ethnomathematics Land. What happens in America’s Racist Democratic System underpinned by our Racist White Mathematics, doesn’t look so pretty for him.

    ***

    The flip side of all this Obama ignorance, is Clinton’s Victory by the end of June. Since Obama doesn’t know what he is talking about when doing his delegate math, the pro-Obama media are stuck Strutting his Ignorance as Holy Truth and unquestionable Common Sense.

    Little do they know, what is in store for them. They would be wise to do their math, and affirm their commitment to Democracy, if they don’t want to look like sobbing cows by the time the Puerto Rico bell tolls. A little washing with cold-water, can still save their face.

    Short of a Clinton withdrawal from the Race, the mathematical chance of an Obama Victory, is Zer0. The race will be decided by independent delegates, and Clinton supporters are advised to not get taken in, by the latest wave of Psychological Warfare aimed at our morale. Axelrod knows your weak spot, and he will abuse it at every turn he can. Sit tight, and March on, Obama cannot win,

    but Hillary,

    She Can.

    Unless of course, you give in to the Media Hype.
    ——————————–
    MVsprings | 05.08.2008 – 08:19 am | #

  451. “i heard on o’reilly’s radio show that if obama is not the nominee there might be riots. this is not a idle threat. this is real. ”

    Good, riot then, and show the public what a BO presidency will really look like. Actually if there were riots people will be relieved that they did NOT vote for BO.

  452. Let them riot, and show the world what kind of people his supporters are.

    Why should we give in to thugs who threaten violence to get their way?

  453. “Math is hard. I’m a girl!”

    – Matel talking Barbie, circa 1972.

    seems like the ONLY one who can do math these days is our girl, Hillary Clinton.

  454. Great! Riots are soooo effective in influencing voters! Nothing like a little intimidation to keep the ignorant ungrateful unappreciative masses in line.

    Unfortunately for the riot-baiters, this is the US and not (yet) Iraq, Pakistan, CHili. I can’t WAIT to see those wimpy-assed blowhards slobbering and whining in their jail cells; Ohhhhhh–mommy — the police hit me . . . wahhhhhhhhhhhh…..
    Plus continued threats of rioting will finish Waffles for good.
    BTW – one more interesting mathematical model.
    Obama’s White Wall in North Carolina:
    According to 2000 census 21.6 % of NC is black. All democrats so: 43.2 % of democratic vote in NC is black. All for Obama.
    Obama got 57 % of the democratic vote. Therefore 14 % points of white democratic vote.
    Hillary got 43 % of the democratic vote all white.
    So Obama gets 14 / (14+43=57) = 25 % of white democratic vote in NC
    Hillary gets 75 % of white democratic vote

    Obama’s White Wall in North Carolina:

    According to 2000 census 21.6 % of NC is black. All democrats so: 43.2 % of democratic vote in NC is black. All for Obama.

    Obama got 57 % of the democratic vote. Therefore 14 % points of white democratic vote.

    Hillary got 43 % of the democratic vote all white.

    So Obama gets 14 / (14+43=57) = 25 % of white democratic vote in NC

    Hillary gets 75 % of white democratic vote.

    Obama is rejected by 3 out of 4 of the white democratic vote in NC.

    Why is this man celebrating?
    Boys and girls if you do the math the results do not look pretty do they?

    Obama already hit the white wall. Wait till the republicans show up. They are passing on the mashed potatoes and gravy story. Bad for you.

    How is this man to unify us? He is dreaming allright.
    Comment by Hal from Lincoln – May 8, 2008 at 12:13 am

  455. I have just written a 30-comment-long “Comment Opus” at the end section of the comments for my Obama video.

    I’m mentioning this here because I think that many here at Hillaryis44 will see their own spirit and frustration reflected in those remarks. If that which I wrote can either be informative or uplifting, I want to pass it along to all of the great people here.

    To see that which I have written, click here:

    http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=3_N1rqVo2W0&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3D3_N1rqVo2W0

    Suffice to say, I am fired-up today. 😉

    We Clinton supporters have one chief concern before us now, so let’s focus:

    Help HRC raise money.

    Everything else is secondary at this time.

    I will be making another contribution later today, and I can’t wait. All of the blood, sweat and tears which we have each given to Hillary is on the verge of paying off; we merely need to run the final 10 meters of the race as we have the first 90 and we will be soon be discussing “Nominee Clinton.”

    Don’t watch the media. Don’t waste time being upset or down.

    Work.

    Work because we are on the precipice of one of the greatest political comebacks in history and it can only be completed if each of us — through efforts as small as posting here and showing the media that we will not be shoved aside as women and men have been for centuries in this country — does our part. You, each and every one of you who posts and lurks here, is needed now more than ever before.

    Let’s show the The Obama Cult-alition that we are ready to fight to the end. We will not be railroaded here, nor will we allow the continuing disrespect being shown to the family of the only Democratic President of the last 28 years go unchecked, either. These insidious forces want, and are counting on, our quitting in the face of their stilted reports and their Stalinistic tactics.

    No. We will not succumb to these methods.

    Onwards, troops. Victory awaits us!

    Paul F. Villarreal
    http://www.villarrealsports.com

  456. Ed Koch: Obama Is A Sure Loser, Clinton Should Fight On
    May 7, 2008 06:17 PM

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    About Sam Stein
    Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.

    As Democrats coalesce around Sen. Barack Obama, one of Hillary Clinton’s must outspoken supporters is not mincing words: the party is walking needlessly and unaware into a general election buzzsaw.

    “I believe Obama probably will win [the Democratic nomination], although in politics you never ever can count anybody out,” said former New York Mayor Ed Koch. “I think Hillary is doing a magnificent job and is a great candidate and if anybody can pull it out, she can. But my honest opinion is, it probably won’t happen. And that he will be the candidate and that he will lose.”

    Koch’s argument, while never voiced in public by Clinton, is thought to reflect the opinion of the senator and her key aides.

    In an interview with The Huffington Post, Koch warned that despite Obama’s lead in every single primary election metric, the Illinois Democrat simply would not be able to best John McCain come November. As such, he urged Clinton to stay in the race even as some in the party call for her drop out now, even before Obama has officially secured the nomination.

    Were the majority of states and voters who had gone to Obama – and the superdelegates who could very well affirm their decisions – making a grievous political mistake?

    “Mistake is not exactly the word,” replied Koch. “It is the wrong judgment. The reason that the superdelegates are there is to select that person who is most likely to prevail. And…even though he does not win on his own merits in terms of racking up sufficient delegates, in all probability the superdelegates will be afraid to exercise their own judgment. And we will simply go along with the count of the delegates that were chosen in the polls.”

    Koch’s argued that Obama showed a complete lack of conviction and leadership in handling the controversy surrounding his former pastor. The theme is a constant feature in the former mayor’s syndicated columns, several of which have directly questioned the credibility of Obama’s attempts to distance himself from Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

    “I am shocked, without knowing the reason that it is happening, that none of the allegations with the respect of Wright, his former pastor, have had any impact on his polling,” said Koch. “I’m absolutely surprised because I think that all the things that Wright says — and nobody believes that Obama supports those statements — but he didn’t have the courage to stand up and object for twenty years. If you are running for president, you can’t be like some other poor guy in the pews who is afraid to stand up or even say something privately to the minister. You’re the guy who wants to lead the country and you have to have courage to stand up and lead your own pastor. He did not exhibit that. But the fact that the Democratic constituency doesn’t seem to care is a shock to me, but I’m certain that the overall constituency voting in November will care and that it will make the difference in the adverse way to his candidacy.”

    On Tuesday night, Obama won a decisive victory in North Carolina and closely lost his contest against Clinton in Indiana. The strong showing followed a week in which Wright not only reemerged on the political landscape but also suffocated the subsequent news coverage. Koch called Obama’s ability to overcome the pastor problem and score well in the two primaries a “serious victory” but one that did not end the game.

    Saying he would support Clinton and “hope she ultimately prevails,” Koch wasn’t worried that Democratic infighting could hurt the party’s chances in the fall. It was Obama’s candidacy, he repeated, that would be the death knell.

    “I believe that when the voting is over that the vast majority, not all, on both sides, will vote for the [Democratic] candidate,” said Koch. “But that applies only to the Democrats who have been participating. I believe that the vast majority of voters will look at all of these allegations, which nobody disputes, as related to Wright and his comments, and that they will have an enormous impact on the vote and on those Independents and others who will make a decision in the general election. I just think he is a loser because of that.”

  457. I think there is an undercurrent of support for Hillary among the SD’s and genuine concern over Obama’s electibility, both of which Dean doesn’t want to admit.

    I agree. When you think about it, axelrod is spreading the rumor of riots???? Are you kidding me? How desperate is your campaign Axelrod when you are threatening the public? lol

    That tells me right there that bo has nothing…absolutely nothing…and knows it.

  458. Universal,

    i checked the link and tried to post but couldn’t manage to set up a youtube account.

    i will try later.

    in the meantime, maybe you can contact me from hillbill’s site?

    I’m listed as basil9 there as well.

  459. I’m not sure Ed Koch expresses the views of Hillary, although he probably does. I’m certain he expresses mine.

  460. meiyingsu,

    i tried to post you last night.

    About the article saying that all 50 states MUST be considered and the winner is 50 + 1, is that from the DNC rules book? Where did you find that info?

  461. sherm,

    Wanted to thank you for your kind words the other day. I only wrote what I did coz I’m so disgusted with MO’s whining.

    I think MOST people in the US have had an uphill battle, for education, housing, jobs, unless they’re heirs to multi-million dollar fortunes or children of the elite.

    So my struggles were probably pretty typical. And from my perspective, MO was given a free ride, mostly in the name of Affirmative Action, which she neither appreciates nor is grateful for and I find that GALLING!

  462. I am so GodDamn pissed. Stupid ass family in Clinton country in WV have put up Waffles signs and fallen for the “follow the sheep” “follow the winner” “the media says she is toast” ..

    I am so upset, I have been arguing with MY OWN family now for 30 minutes. They are diehard democrats and said “oh, we’d have voted for her but she is gone …

    This is the southern part of WVA and signs are now going up for him.

    God this country has gone to hell in handbasket.

    If they have anything on him .. they better bring it.

    I thought WV had more sense .. I told you all last night that vibes I picked up were not good.

    The media is running this, people don’t have sense enough to thik for themselves.

    I hope to God if he is the nominee that the republicans take him down swiftly and that it hurts.

  463. URGENT!!!!!! (Sorry for multiple posts)

    FDR Jim just sent me this message.

    Jim will be filing a complaint contesting Lake County. He wanted me to post on Hi44 to find ANYONE who might know of Politicking (Obama signs and tables etc) INSIDE precinct voting locations in Lake County. He has already contacted the Lake County Atty. Jim said there was a VIDEO on Taylor Marsh.

    This is an APB! URGENT URGENT URGENT. They may be STEALING the votes. WE NEED HELP NOW> I will sign in when the site lets me, but please post!

  464. dot48-

    Here’s a constructive suggestion: Email the campaign and ask them to visit the town where your family lives. Seeing Hillary in person will bring them back around.

  465. Basil —

    Absolutely.

    Also, if you want to reach me, here is an email which I use infrequently so am not concerned about giving out. You can write me there and I will give you my real email:

    PaulFVillarreal@gmail.com

    🙂

  466. no FRIGGIN answer at ANY of the damn phones in that state. Left message at ALL the offices. No live people. 🙁

  467. 😳

    Found it.

    Just saw the Wolfson CNN interview video on HRC.

    WHY doesn’t he say BOTH HRC AND WAFFLES were on the Florida ballot and that Waffles campaigned there?????

  468. Dot,

    i emailed your concerns to the HRC site after I finally found the confidential tips link.

    What’s the phone number of the WVA offices??????

    I’m gonna call, too.

  469. plural .. my family is connected to the local party. There is an undercurrent now .. don’t know if it’s just the media bias or what. Hillary can’t win the nomination so get behind the one who will .. it’s disturbing and I’m madder than hell. I’ve left messages everywhere but there is not one person live in WV offices .. guess they are out canvassing. I told you last night, don’t get comfortable. Local politicians are the honchos there .. without them really backing her .. and it seems like they are all running to sheep with the chosen one .. well.

    I am more stressed today than yesterday.

    My damn brother even told me this morning .. there will NEVER be a woman president … fuck him!

  470. go to States .. WV and you’ll find all the numbers. Nobody is around. I think I’m going to just get away a while.

  471. I think we really need to have people at the election sites watching for any fraud the bo camp might try.

  472. Anduril919 Says:

    “If you look at the numbers, it is the white latte drinking liberals who are professing that they will not vote for Clinton in the GE, NOT the AAs. According to a recent poll, 33% of AAs have unfavorable feelings about Clinton against 50% of whites. Only 19% percent of Obama supporters profess that they will vote for McCain in the GE if Clinton is the nominee. ( Historically speaking, this number is quite inflated during the primary season and this will dissipate as we near the GE )

    But why aren’t they talking about the 28% of Clinton supporters who will vote for McCain in the GE?”

    I don’t believe for one second that the latte drinking liberals and the AAs would rather have McCain than Hillary Clinton. Their objections to Hillary Clinton right now is probably due to the heat generated by the close primary fight. And in the final analysis, their objections to Hillary Clinton (ie, the war) applies more to McCain.

    But it is conceivable that the Hillary supporters do have strong objections to Obama that doesn’t apply to McCain. And this is the crux of the matter. I believe that the numbers right now saying that Hillary supporters won’t vote for Obama in the general is pretty stable. The numbers on Obama supporters however are not.

  473. I was reading the The Page, and did I see correctly, that Carter said that MI and FL shoule NOT be seated in Denver??

  474. it’s not my brother messing with me. Signs for him are going up .. people are being told to follow and unfortunately they will do so. If he wins or comes close in WV .. it’s katy bar the door. Yes, they may go repub in the fall BUT they could be coaxed .. just like they are right now .. coaxed into following who they think will win.

  475. Nikki2:What they did not count on is the massive amount of mailed in votes before the Wright controversy started.

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    This is true and I don’t understand why they haven’t made a better job of getting more absentee ballots in for them.

    Obama takes kids out of school, have drives on campuses etc. The NC team should have been working on senior rec centers, nursing homes etc to get that senior vote out and the rural vote out from the beginning,not the last 2 wks.

    Anyway, what is done is done. I’m hoping that the negative media doesn’t dampen down her turnout in WV next week.

    I see that both she and Bill will be very active in WV today so hopefully the word will get out. I’d like to see a 20pt win and headlines. However, we all know that the headline will note her win with a ‘but’ she still can’t catch up.

    I think that Hill should continue to go on and beat the drums harder and louder re seating and counting the delegates/votes of Mi and FL.

    Make it a civil rights issue and go toe to toe with Sharpton if he wants to jump in. Bring up Gore vs Bush.

    Get her surrogates to push harder on the networks(this is my one big gripe with her team, they are too nice). Obama’s team don’t give a shit about slamming her on tv. They do it all the time.

    If she does this, most people will side with her on counting allthe votes. Her job now is to get the media to recognize the number 2209 to get the nomination and not 2025.

    She can do it. People will start to take polls and this is the one issue that she has that polls well. don’t let Obama’s team take it away by citing the ‘roolz’.

    Carter has already started this morning saying that Mi and FL shouldn’t count. What a hypocrite!

  476. But if he said there will never be a woman president, that’s changing the subject and making it about gender.

  477. I AM ANGRY AS HELL: This country is under assault by the SLEEPING GIANT,BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA,has secretly stirred up and we are letting him steal every that is near and dear to our values.He and Jeramiah have a long engineered plan to use the Whitehouse as the base that will bring BLACK POWER and constant FEAR into our lives.It has begun .Just read the crime news every day and you will see what is takening place.We must resist this threat of riots,mayhem,civil disobedience and yes even murders,fanning the fires of racial hate by the self-styled LEADER OF HIS PEOPLE..Notice that he always uses WE when he lalks about CHANGE. What fearful and disgusting candidate and his SVENGALI MENTOR,THE MAD and DANGEROUS JERAMIAH. Wake up Americans,Black and WHITE alike,or future and our lives are about to be changed forever. We must take with

    support for Hillary,The smartest and toughest Woman ever to stand before our country and ask that we make her the 44th PRESIDENT of this great Nation.PLEASE do not let another FARAKAHND come into our lives.

  478. terrondt Says:

    May 8th, 2008 at 3:01 am
    hillfans, i heard on o’reilly’s radio show that if obama is not the nominee there might be riots. this is not a idle threat. this is real. damn shame. i have been hearing this from all over the radio. it is like blackmail.

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    Terrondt, this is coming straigt from Rev. ‘i got arrested yesterday’ Sharpton. He talks to him and I thinkt hat he is using O’REilly to get this out to scare the SD. O’Reilly has bought into it and this is one of the reasons why I can’t watch him nightly.

  479. PAddy4Hill:

    I still believe that Hill has a chance and a path to the nomination. It has become narrower for sure but it is still there. It hinges mostly on getting FL and MI to count. She has to give the SD a reasonable cover to do it i.e popular vote, close to delegates i.e within 50-.

    They all know that they would be taking a big risk with obama and I thinkt hat that is why most are waiting to endorse. They also need sometype of cover and Hill and her team has to work very hard to give her that evidence for the SD.

    They all read the polls and see her doing better in matchups with J McCain. They all se ethe exit data showing an increasing amount of Hill’s supporters who say that they will either not vote for obama or vote for McCain or stay home.

  480. Dot, everyone,

    I just emailed all 4 WVa field offices with your concerns, left messages at 2 of the offices, and got through to a man at the Beckley branch who said they’re aware of the problem of limited media coverage, are working to address it, and are urging everyone to phone bank as much as possible.

  481. dedfg: I understand we need to seat MI and FL. My point is that the elders of the party haven no respect for the party!

    Denver is going to be one big CLUSTER FUCK!

  482. tiburones,
    I agree with you about the popular vote. If when all the primaries are over HRC can say if you count FL and MI I have the popular vote then she has a good shot. Even though SDs are supposed to exercise independent judgment they can’t overturn the pledged delegates and the popular vote. Nobody, even a lot of diehard Hill fans, would think that’s fair.

  483. Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.

    “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

    “There’s a pattern emerging here,” she said.

    Clinton’s blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions. The Obama campaign, looking toward locking up the nomination, stepped up pressure on superdelegates who have the decisive votes in their race.

    In both states, Clinton won six of 10 white voters, according to surveys of people as they left polling places.

  484. dedfg. with a deep heart, i say, there is nothing we can do. The party does not respect us, FL or MI. People at the top of the party and the elders want to eleminate the Clintons. I will always support Hillary NEVER Obama. As far as the SD goes, as long as Obama is buying (contributing to their campaigns) the will support him.

  485. Clinton to Female Base: ‘I’ve Come Back Before’

    Matt Phillips reports on the race for the Democratic nomination

    Even as doubts were raised about Hillary Clinton’s ability to continue in the race, the New York senator spent part of Wednesday evening energizing some of her most important supporters.

    A crowd of 1,500 gathered at the “Generations of Women for Hillary” fundraiser at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, paying at least $250 a plate and helping to raise about $1 million for the campaign. Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe, addressing attendees, offered no indication that Clinton would be slowing down in her bid for the White House. “She is going to Denver as the nominee of the Democratic Party of the United States of America. And then she’s going to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as the president of the United States of America,” he told the cheering audience.

    Clinton worked her way through the crowd as speakers blared Chaka Khan and Whitney Houston versions of “I’m Every Woman.” People stood on chairs waving napkins. When the music was abruptly cut off, the clapping audience chanted: “Hill-ar-y, Hill-ar-y!”

    “I’ve been counted out more than once. But thanks to all of you I’ve come back,” Clinton said, earning a thunderous, extended ovation. She later added, “When I was counted out in New Hampshire, it was the women of New Hampshire who came back and said, ‘No, she’s not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Super Tuesday it was women from California to Massachusetts who came and said ‘No, we’re not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Ohio, before Indiana, we have always come back.”

    Standing outside the hotel after the event, several women voiced confidence about Clinton’s chances. “She’s got it,” said Morley Klausner, a 60-year-old retired New Yorker, who said she volunteers 40 hours a week for the campaign. “She’s going to win.” Lisa Cohen, a 45-year-old doctor who has a medical laboratory in Newton, Mass., came down to Washington specifically for the fundraiser. “Nobody’s down in the dumps; everybody is very excited,” she said.

    Not quite everybody. Lisa Trahan, a Clinton supporter from northern Virginia who attended the fundraiser, said, “I’m going to send her some more money, but I don’t think her chances are good.” Trahan thinks that in the coming weeks Democratic party leaders will try to convince Clinton to end her campaign. “But I do think she’ll come back in four years,” the 53-year-old said. “It’s not too early to start thinking about that.”

  486. Bottom line to everything: The Democratic Party is willing to be destroyed to suppoet Obama! 🙁

  487. OKAY TROOPS, WE NEED TO MOBILIZE!!


    EVERYONE: PLEASE DEVOTE AT LEAST 1 HOUR TO MAKING CALLS TO WEST VIRGINIA TODAY, TOMORROW AND THIS WEEKEND!!!

    the narrative: Hill is in it to win it. She can still win this if she takes over the popular vote! Tell them that every SINGLE vote matters!!!

  488. Obama plans to declare victory May 20

    By: David Paul Kuhn
    May 8, 2008 09:14 AM EST

    Not long after the polls close in the May 20 Kentucky and Oregon primaries, Barack Obama plans to declare victory in his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    And, until at least May 31 and perhaps longer, Hillary Clinton’s campaign plans to dispute it.

    It’s a train wreck waiting to happen, with one candidate claiming to be the nominee while the other vigorously denies it, all predicated on an argument over what exactly constitutes the finish line of the primary race.

    The Obama campaign agrees with the Democratic National Committee, which pegs a winning majority at 2,025 pledged delegates and superdelegates—a figure that excludes the penalized Florida and Michigan delegations. The Clinton campaign, on the other hand, insists the winner will need 2,209 to cinch the nomination—a tally that includes Florida and Michigan.

    “We don’t accept 2,025. It is not the real number because that does not include Florida and Michigan,” said Howard Wolfson, one of Clinton’s two chief strategists. “It’s a phony number.”

    Wolfson said they intend to contest the DNC’s 2,025 number “every day,” as well as any declaration of victory made by Obama based upon that number, because it does not include Florida and Michigan.
    See Also

    * Clinton-Obama cash gap looms large
    * Clinton won’t quit; Obama doesn’t care
    * Tough road ahead for Clinton

    In January, Clinton won both states by wide margins when Obama did not actively contest them. The two states were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries not sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee.

    Obama will not reach the 2,025 magic number on May 20. Rather, on that date he is all but certain to hit a different threshold—1,627 pledged delegates, which would constitute a winning majority among the 3,253 total pledged delegates if Florida and Michigan are not included.

    “On May 20 we’re going to declare victory,” said an Obama senior advisor who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, adding that after those contests they will be “the ones with the most pledged delegates and the most popular votes.”

    While the nature of that declaration of victory is “still developing,” in the advisor’s words, the Obama campaign contends that the winner of a majority of pledged delegates should be the party nominee.

    “Senator Obama, our campaign and our supporters believe pledged delegates is the most legitimate metric for determining how this race has unfolded,” wrote Obama campaign manager David Plouffe Wednesday in a memo to superdelegates. “It is simply the ratification of the DNC rules – your rules – which we built this campaign and our strategy around.”

    But the Clinton campaign’s insistence on counting Florida and Michigan would alter not only the overall delegate math, but the pledged delegate math as well. Because if the two states are included in the count, the total number of pledged delegates would rise from 3,253 to 3,566—which means the magic number for a majority rises to 1,784, not 1,627 as the Obama campaign asserts.

    By hewing to that interpretation, the Clinton campaign would thus be able to raise doubts about a May 20 declaration of victory by Obama.

    Since the earliest possible resolution of the Florida/Michigan dispute is May 31, when the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet in Washington to address petitions from Michigan and Florida DNC members, the 11-day period between the May 20 primaries and the RBC meeting could produce a chaotic stretch where Obama claims to be the party nominee while Clinton argues otherwise.

    Already, the two campaigns are gearing up for the battle.

    “With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days,” wrote Plouffe in his memo. “While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors.”

    “You can declare mission accomplished but that doesn’t mean that the mission has actually been accomplished,” Wolfson said.

  489. tiburones Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 10:08 am
    terrondt Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 3:01 am
    hillfans, i heard on o’reilly’s radio show that if obama is not the nominee there might be riots. this is not a idle threat. this is real. damn shame. i have been hearing this from all over the radio. it is like blackmail.
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    The reply to Sharpton’s threat is, “Hey, you really want a bloodbath? Bring it on! Rioting AAs in our time will accomplish nothing but flaming racial hatred”

  490. ““You can declare mission accomplished but that doesn’t mean that the mission has actually been accomplished,” Wolfson said.”

    Yeah, we’ve seen that before. Obama reminds me more and more of Bush. Just what we don’t need.

  491. Anybody from WV on this board. Could you tell us what the local papers are saying and what people are reacting to? Thanks.

  492. OKAY TROOPS, WE NEED TO MOBILIZE!!

    EVERYONE: PLEASE DEVOTE AT LEAST 1 HOUR TO MAKING CALLS TO WEST VIRGINIA TODAY, TOMORROW AND THIS WEEKEND!!!

    the narrative: Hill is in it to win it. She can still win this if she takes over the popular vote! Tell them that every SINGLE vote matters!!!

    Please, everyone, NOW is the time to focus!

  493. dot48,
    Not really. I’d say people are pretty set on their choices. Of those who follow politics and voted in the primary at least. Because we’re political junkies we tend to think people are paying as close attention to this stuff as we are. But honestly there are tons of voters who won’t participate in the primary but vote in the GE. Tennessee will go repub this fall if its BO vs McCain. Only a moderate dem could put TN in play.

  494. called some favors in in WV courthouse where I grew up. $ is flowing up there from TeamObama. Certain parts of WV are akin to Chicago style politics .. $ talks.

  495. The fight goes to Capitol Hill Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:11 PM by Domenico Montanaro
    Filed Under: Congress, Democrats, 2008

    From NBC’s Mike Viqueira
    Been talking to several House Democrats a.k.a. superdelegates this day. Bottom line: things are, for the most part, status quo in terms of commitments, at least for the time being.

    Clinton has asked several uncommitteds to come meet with her this evening at around 8 or 8:30, after votes on the housing bill now being considered on the House floor. Location TBD. I talked to three such members, who said that they are going to take a pass, simply because they have heard several times from both candidates personally over the course of the past week, and there is nothing more to be said.

    Another uncommitted said he was going to go out of a sense of courtesy. Keep in mind that these folks are inundated with calls from the respective campaigns and that, for the Clinton side, operatives like Harold Ickes come up every Wednesday to talk to people privately.

    Another uncommitted said his office received a call from the Obama campaign asking for a meet tomorrow. Per NBC’s Mark Hudspeth, Obama will indeed be in DC tomorrow.

    Yes, members are discussing last night’s results on the floor when they congregate for votes today. But remember that the same factors that they have taken into consideration all along remain. In other words, uncommitteds aren’t going to declare for one or the other because Indiana or North Carolina voted this way or that. They have their own parochial, district-specific political dynamic to take into consideration.

    Many of the House uncommitteds are middle of the road, “Blue Dog” conservative Dems like Heath Shuler. Shuler had said that he would vote the way of his western North Carolina district and, sure enough, today he tells NBC that he is now in the Clinton camp, since she won there last night. Same for Brad Ellsworth of southern Indiana’s “Bloody 8th” district, which Clinton also won.

    The Clinton backers here are resolute, with no sign of wavering from the handful that I have spoken with around the House chamber.

    One Obama backer says the looming late May meeting of the DNC rules committee is going to bring added pressure for people to declare, because it will be a lot easier for party poohbahs to achieve a compromise if there are fewer variables like uncommitted supers.

    Supers Frozone and ElastaGirl were unavailable for comment. Mr. Incredible travels under the name of Shuler (see above).

  496. pm .. read my earlier posts. I grew up in Mingo County .. the only county that stayed Dem in 2004 .. the news is not good for Hillary. They follow the piper .. piper being local politicians who are now playing with some funny new money. Sorry to report this, I really thought my fellow mountaineers would think for themselves but in this town .. they are buying that it is over for her. I’ve just had a major falling out with both brother and sister. Fcuk them too.,

  497. Hi Hillfans, please keep on writting letters to uncommitted SDs as well as those SDs who already committed to Hillary.

  498. “If AA want to riot that’s fine, not in my neighborhood!!!”

    You know what? I want them to riot – all rioting will do is to enrage the populace.

  499. We need to have two seperate threads…one for the upbeat information and the other for venting …:)

  500. I think they’ll get the latte crowd to riot — that will be a sight.

    Like the big SUVs with Obama stickers in my neighborhood.

  501. Look, just because Sharpton is saying there will be riots, doesn’t make it so. I will say again, the only ones who would riot are his white, young male supporters.

  502. dot48 Says:
    May 8th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    pm .. read my earlier posts. I grew up in Mingo County .. the only county that stayed Dem in 2004 .. the
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    Read BTD on http://www.talkleft.com and also Blue Dem up thread. Obama is making some serious mistakes now with this strategy. No question he is trying to suppress voters and enthusiasm. I don’t think he can fully reverse the situation and win WV, can he?

    What are the big newspapers and local TV stations? Can we get them to talk about how this is not over?

  503. tiburones, just caught your post before going to bed. You are right about SD’s needing a reason to back Hillary. They just can’t come right out and say “hey, you’re the one girl” and hand her the nomination. There would be civil war within the Party. They need reasons. Even though they understand she is the best candidate for November.

    The first good reason for them to back Hillary comes in 5 days. WV. If she can overcome the media coronation of Obama and carry the state, this will weaken the media drumbeat (but not stop it) for a while. Then, based on WV, go on to carry KY and come close or win OR. We have been there before. Lots of ifs in this equation, but it is in the realm of possibilities if (and this is the most important if) we and all her other supporters put in the hours and dollars. And have confidence in ourselves, our cause and Hillary.

    Now off to bedlam. Will catch up with the night shift later.

  504. I think it’s good that Obama will declare victory on May 20th, for two reasons.

    1. It shows desperation, and the more the media covers it and the Obama camp tries to legitimize it with the implicit corollary that MI and FL don’t count, and neither does Puerto Rico, the more damage that will be done to his candidacy and faltering chances to be the nominee. I don’t think the SD’s are going to be happy with this grandstanding.

    2. The people in MI & FL are going to be pissed beyond belief, as will the HRC supporters and those who care about voter enfranchisement.

    The Obama camp is on a path to total self-immolation. As Napoleon once said, let’s not interfere with this moment. The opponent is determined to self-destruct, allow them to self-destruct.

    Nothing which happens between now and the end of the primary season, save perhaps Oregon, will be positive for Obama. He is going to be obliterated in WV and KY, and Puerto Rico could very well be the finishing blow to his candidacy.

    Here is what to look for:

    Stunts such as the one described in the above article;
    declarations of false victories and such in an effort to distract attention from the electoral beatdowns which Obama will be receiving in more states which will only highlight his inability to attract working-class white voters and Latinos.

    The scorched-earth policy of saying that the voters in Puerto Rico should not count towards the popular vote totals. Also know as the “Uniter” strategy (that’s a joke, of course).

    Obama and the MSM knows what awaits The One in the next several weeks. He is going to be lit up like a pinball machine a mere one second away from going “Tilt.” And there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it, either. See the spending margins in PA, OH and IN if you need references. Sam Powers is somewhere pondering her words for the level of “obsession” which the voters in WV, KY and PR are going to demonstrate against the doomed Illinois senator.

    Also look for the MSM, Drudge, Kos, … report Obama’s “win” with a level of frenziness usually reserved for sharks who have picked up the scent of blood.

    And all of their reports, 48 point fonts and “the math” will all mean the same thing:

    Butkus.

    There are no ‘pledged delegates;’ not a single superdelegte will have actually voted on May 20th.

    Despite all desire to the contrary by Obama and the Iscariot Pantheon of the DNC/Pelosi/Kerry/Kennedy axis, we are going to Denver.

    And there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it, which they know.

    The other people who know this:

    The Clintons.

    If Donna Brazile’s committee and Howard Dean’s appointments to various committee wants to ruin their political futures among the majority of Dems who will have backed HRC (yep, there’s your Operation Chaos right there, Tweety — the person who has benefited more from non-Dem votes is The Fraudulent One), they will have their chance to do so, and the world will witness it. There will be no escape for these pusillanimous Benedict Arnolds because of a half-baked, Machiavellian propaganda attempt.

    Ha ha ha. I cannot wait until Denver. As the reality that the contest is going to head to Colorado sinks in, the big-talking charlatans like Brazile will be scurrying like cockroaches with the light just turned on.

    The Clintons are not only willing but are going to go balls-out, that’s why so many of us like them.

    Well see if the Deans, Braziles and Kerrys are similarly scrotally inclined.

    I think we all know how that will shake out, right “Yearrrrrrrrgh”-man, Ms. “I can’t lead Gore to a win after 8 years of Dem success” and Sir Swiftboat, right?

    Ba ha ha.

    All is going perfectly, HRC backers. We are firmly in control now, and the opposition knows it. Just continue to help HRC raise $$$, and we are going to win this thing in Colorado 3-plus months from now.

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  505. Paddy4Hill:

    Yes, the media is doing a great job of changing perceptions. They have crowned him and now are working on getting people to believe that it is all over so her vote can be suppressed and her fundraising depressed.

    We have to counter that by pulling out at least a 15-20pt win next tuesday and try to get that vote count up.

    By not campaigning there that much, he may be trying to drive down the turnout so that they don’t have record turnouts and by it’s very nature that would not be good for her popular vote argument.

  506. Do you think that Hillary has considered running as an independent?

    It could be like when Joe Lieberman ran as an independent because of some protest votes in the primary against him, but then he won, even as an independent.

    I think she could do it!

  507. Is Hillary 44 planning to start a movement? There are 4 of us here in San Diego that plan to re-register as republicans on the day that Hillary steps down (if that happens).

    Will there be a movement of women to storm the DEN convention?

    Can we get this going?

  508. Bradzilla says the ‘base should stay home’ if Obama is not the nominee.
    Response from DB to TM poster.
    Donna brazile is mad. This is the reply she gave to one Hillary supporter who wrote to tell her she was leaving the party to join the REP party.

    What I actually hate is her last comment telling the base to stay home. This woman has got to be outted as an Obama supporter.

    From: Donna Brazile @brazileassociates.com>

    Subject: RE: Switching to Republican Party – I’m a Hillary supporter

    Date: May 7, 2008 7:48 PM

    Honestly, this is the 9th email today, so I believe you’re ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights.
    Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq.

    Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it.

    Please don’t send these emails to working people like myself. Notice you sent it to my campus address. I am a working class person. Can you find someone who drinks latte?

    Message to the base: stay home.

  509. Oh, and if AA’s led by Wilder, Clyburn, Sharpton, Recreate ’68, Obama’s France-rioting blogger, Roseanne Arnold, etc. wish to riot, then by all means let them. I’m pretty sure that there is enough mace, tear gas and rubber bullets to go around in the Colorado police barracks for Barack’s peeps should the need arise. And I’m quite sure Bush will be very happy to give the orders to the Colorado National Guard to do their duty and make sure that the Dem National Convention goes off without a hitch.

    Reality is setting in for the Barack Cult-alition: No amount of propaganda, threats of force, thuggishness, or MSM-fawning is going to wrest the nomination from the choice of Dems: Senator Clinton. The sooner they move to the denouement phase of their Messiah’s failed candidacy, the sooner we Dems can focus on Hillary beating Mac.

    This is going to be a very enjoyable next month or so. Revel in it. We have earned it after stopping the attempts by the corrupt Lake County, IN officials to steal Hillary’s ‘tiebreaking’ win in Indiana.

    We are exactly where we need to be. Again, all that matters at this moment is raising $$$. Besides that, sit back and enjoy the Russerts, Tweetys and Coopers of world make themselves look like asses as they expend record amounts of oxygen trying in vaing to convince any sucker in hearing distance that Obama has won.

    The rewards of success are always sweet. Having one of them be Tweety losing his sh*t every night on national TV because he knows his guy is about to take the final electoral fall is one of life’s ultimate delights.

    Relish it.

    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal”
    http://www.villarrealsports.com

  510. They just dont respect us
    They are hel bent on running Obama regardless as the nominee according to
    Rezkowatch.blogspot.com
    Weds March 7 2008
    Obama and the plan for a new Democratic Coalition

    and
    http://donnadarko.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/misogyny-costs-you-50/

    http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/an-invitation-to-democrats-in-exile/

    http://hillaryvoice.reclusiveleftist.com/2008/05/07/why-I-will-not-vote-for-obama-even-if-hes-the-nominee-and-why-you-shouldnt-either/

    Also good reads They want him regardless
    http://blogs.usa.today.com/oped/2008/05/wright-story-wh.html

    http://www.gallop.com Looks a lot like Kerry 2004

  511. Less than 4 in 10 whites voted for BO. If you look at the results given the size of the AA vote, he could not possibly have won 4 in 10 whites. It’s in the 30’s not 40%.

    By the way, I am totally convinced he stuffed the ballot box in at least Gary, IN and Cook County, IL.

  512. Saying obama will claim to be the nominee on May 20
    http:www.gallop.com Looks at lot like Kerry 2004

    http:blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/05/wright-story-wh.html

  513. How can this be called a democratic society when not everyone is allowed to vote and decisions are being made against the will of the people?

  514. universal,

    I resent a message from my personal email account. let me know if you get it, please.

  515. How can it be a democracy when we’re told, Stop voting so the insiders’ chosen candidate can win?

  516. sry
    with a picture of Barack Obama on the cover
    Rotten msm they are trying to force her out

  517. darn, I am getting technical issues….but I have been having problems with my computer in the last week.

  518. I CAN’T AFFORD THIS!
    Contribution Details
    Amount: $50.44
    But I have no choice! Hillary will be 44!!!!!!!!
    Universal,

    Sure you’re not Napoleon’s reincarnation? Great rallying speech! hehehehe

    Resent my info to you.

  519. please phone bank into WV, OR and KY…

    Time really is running out.

    Having to deal with my own family turning on her makes me wonder how she has stood up and took what she’s took. I feel like my hearts been ripped out and it’s only my brother and even though she won’t commit to him, my sister. My sister keeps asking so stupidly Why is everybody turning on her, what is wrong with her?

    Fcuk this party. I’m so done with it. I’ll be independent from here on out

  520. My sister and I haven’t talked about politics in months; used to all the time. She knows not to bring it up.

  521. Thanks for the good news Marie3548….so far Axelrod has shown us corruption in Lake County, threatened us with riots, and now is declaring the winner WITHOUT all the public being able to vote.

    The Obama camp is desperate! They are starting to crack.

    Keep up the calling, blogging, and speaking out for Hillary and democracy folks!

  522. Lake County sure was interesting, the way those votes suddenly came in while the mayor of Hammond was asking Where are they?

  523. so the spineless gov in WV sent his wife .. how sweet.

    I hope she gets some play in southern wva

  524. The SDs could be stampeding, but they are not. They are hanging tough.

    So ignore the media, they’ve been demanding that Hillary quit for months, as she just said.

  525. It’s unfortunate CNN played along with it. I felt kind of funny when earlier in the evening John King starting talking about Lake County. It just wasn’t right….I thought something might be weird then, but I never dreamed of outright corruption by the Obama camp.

  526. Dot, tell your sister to vote for the best prospective candidate, not just anyone. Tell her BO couldn’t even win his neighboring state of IN.

  527. Anyone up for a good road trip to Denver in August?? protesting is a good strest relever!! 🙂

  528. It’s unfortunate CNN played along with it.

    I should restate that as being it’s unfortunate the bo camp knew there was something fishy and told cnn to wait until Lake Country.

  529. Gotta get outta here but couldn’t pry myself away from HRC’s Charlston Solutions for America speech.
    I wrote down her main points – don’t have time to list them now – but she was RADIANT! At first she seemed tired byt she fed on the crowd’s energy. In fire colors, war colors, orange and red, red bead choker – lots of grey-haired vets proudly wearing their pin-covered hats – lots of young men –
    A fainter!!!!! She offers water, callfs for a paramedic, when everything’s under control and the young man stands up she quips, “You know, my husband says when people faint at his rallies it makes him feel good.” hehehehe Back later with more from her speech.

    SHE AIN’T GIVING UP and NEITHER SHOULD WE!!!!!!!!!

  530. I finally had the chance to make some important edits to my piece on how Barack’s North Carolina win actually is the latest in a series of detrimental ‘victories’ for him. The article should be much clearer and direct now that I moved past the deadline pressures of getting it up rapidly and had an opportunity to give the material more of the attention it deserves. I think those here (including the lurkers) will find this information very revealing:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=494

    No matter how you slice it, Obama’s “African-Americans and eggheads” cult-alition is growing smaller by the day. That his victory in North Carolina was about half of that, percentage-wise, of the one which he received in fellow Black Belt state South Carolina, is a testament to this fact. And what is even more alarming for Democratic superdelegates is that the NC demographics were even more
    favorable to Barack than were those of SC. That is, there are far more elite/latte liberals in The Triangle and throughout North Carolina than South Carolina, and even with what are nearly perfect Barack Demographics, he lost 50% of his margin from South Carolina.

    Obama is not only faltering, he is absolutely disintegrating. Despite the spin which the media tried to place on the face-saving NC victory which staved-off Obama’s embarrassment at having lost a state (IN) in his backyard, the SD’s and anyone doing any level of analysis on the contest can see that Obama is literally combusting before our very eyes, and this reality is about to become far clearer in WV, KY and likely Puerto Rico.

    Based on all available evidence, Democrats are on their way to a McGovern-like drubbing if Obama is handed the nomination by the party’s elites despite having lost the popular vote among registered Dems.

  531. Basil:

    I have to run to an appointment right now, but when I return I will be sure to check my email and see if I have received your message. If I have not I will come here and let you know that.

    Talk with you soon,

    Paul 🙂

  532. Email from Bill Clinton:
    —-
    Dear Democrats,

    We have to make every one of the next 27 days count — please act today!
    I want to tell you about the day I had on Monday. I stopped in nine towns throughout North Carolina, starting the day at 7:30 a.m. in Elizabeth City and ending with a rally in Raleigh. That’s the most stops I’ve ever done in a single day — for any campaign. And I couldn’t be happier to work that hard for Hillary.

    I talked to a lot of people that day, and one thing was crystal clear — people want Hillary to stay in this race until every last voter has a say. That’s why Hillary and I are working so hard. That’s why we’ve made a deep commitment to keep campaigning, keep fighting, and keep winning.

    We have had a lot of success in this campaign, and our come-from-behind victory in Indiana is the latest example of how Hillary wins when she has your support behind her. As long as you share her commitment to winning, this race is going to continue.

    Our next test is just five days away in West Virginia. Hillary needs your help right now to keep winning.

    Contribute now to help us show the strength of our campaign.

    I know something about coming back to win after you’ve been counted out. So does Hillary. Over the course of this campaign, the pundits have tried to declare a premature end to the race dozens of times.

    Well, last time I checked, it’s still up to the voters. And there are a lot of voters who haven’t had their say yet.

    It’s up to us to make sure that the voters in West Virginia and the other states yet to come are given a choice. I urge you to act now to help Hillary keep fighting.

    Show your support by making a contribution today.

    I wish I could talk to every last person who has worked so hard for Hillary to thank you for everything you’ve done for her. You mean so much to both of us. She’s still in this thing because of your hard work and your indomitable spirit.

    Sincerely,

    Bill Clinton

  533. Here’s the way I look at it: Obama’s bizarre egghead-and-AA coalition is shrinking by the day, and he is a tragically-flawed candidate. There is simply no way he can beat McCain, aside from McCain being arrested for drunk-driving and involuntary manslaughter, or something to that effect. If Obama is able to scam his way to the nomination, he will lose on a grand scale in the fall — it will be like Dukakis all over again.

    If that happens, I’ll just vote for McCain and take solace in the fact that Hillary will be in prime position for a 2012 run.

    Do I expect all that to happen? No, because I think Hillary will win big in WV and KY. We’ve got 4 quarters to the final stages of the primary race. The first quarter was the OH-TX phase, and Hillary won that quarter. The second quarter was the PA-NC-IN trilogy, where, as Obama acknowledged, IN would be the tie-breaker. Hillary won that quarter, too. The 3rd quarter is the Appalachian primaries, with KY and WV. I believe Hillary will win that stage, too. The final quarter is the OR-MT-Puerto Rico slate of states; Obama should do well out west, but Hillary will do well in PR.

  534. Berk, what I worry about is what Dot said, That by the media declaring him the winner(see the Time mag pic I posted) her voters will stay home in most of the remaining contests.

  535. The Time magazine cover doesn’t help, but it DOES have an asterisk on it, remember… 😀

  536. I just returned from hearing Hillary speak in Charleston WV. It was on the mark. i just heard on the TV Obama is not even going to come to WV before our election next Tuesday. He cares about white middle class voters? Sure he does. Also I read that he is going to announce after Kentucky primary on May 20 that he is the nominee, even though he does not have the votes. Remember it was reported he was bored with the primary and that was over a month ago. He is so arrogant and if I hear another ugh in every sentence I will scream. Just like Bush. I don’t like it my Governor will not endorse her, but I guess it might not help since he got his own troubles right now.

  537. My post on the Hillary Blog!!!:

    Hillary /Bill democratic party

    I remember finally feeling proud as a democrat when President Clinton and then first lady Hillary Clinton finally retook the White House after 12 yrs of republican rule. While there were , as Hillary says, good days and bad days, the overall pride and love I felt for the Clinton’s inspired me to become more than just a democrat in name, but I actively became involved in democratic politics. Lets face it, with out Bill and Hillary, our party would have become instinct. The millions of people Bill and Hillary brought into our “big tent”, the billions of dollars they have raised for the DNC and other candidates, and most importantly, the lifelong work they have done to better the lives of working class people, all in the face of some of the most loathsome attacks any politicians have ever been subject to.
    Today, many of those very same people the Clinton’s stood with, have “jumped on the Obama bandwagon” in the false hope and rhetoric of change. Hillary and Bill have taken the high road and not pointed fingers, but instead, have worked harder than I have ever seen to get her message out as to why she truly is uniquely qualified to be the next President. We still have a chance to make this happen and we all know Hillary won’t quit, so we can’t either. God forbid Hillary is not our nominee, millions of us (and I am a 45 yr old white male ) will abandon the party. I suggest the DNC put immediate gratification off for long term results Hillary will bring. God Bless the Clinton’s.

    by jbstonesfan at 5/8/2008 12:20:54 PM

  538. if she and her campaign can turn that no show from Obama in West Virginia into a “see he is taking you for granted” ..

    First it was you are bitter .. now its fcuk you I don’t need you to win this thing. How can people be so blind?

    Of course with media behind him he’ll turn it into a well, it’s not necessary — I got bigger fish to fry, like figure out how to beat McCain.

    I’m so disgusted

  539. please everyone who prays or whatever you do for divine intervention .. do it now and do it often.

    She is going to need a Hiracle .. it’s stacked against her

  540. Does Obama really plan not to go to WV? He’s going to count on trickery, like what happened in Lake County?

  541. have any of you thought about how to deal with all of this .. if they succeed in stealing this thing? I’m not sure I know how

  542. Time to avoid the media and fight for our fighter, Hill!! Early voting is already going on in West Virginina.

    EVERYONE: PLEASE DEVOTE AT LEAST 1 HOUR TO MAKING CALLS TO WEST VIRGINIA TODAY, TOMORROW AND THIS WEEKEND!!!

    the narrative: Hill is in it to win it. She can still win this if she takes over the popular vote! Tell them that every SINGLE vote matters!!!

    Let’s channel some positive energy and make a difference!

  543. Is this really true that Obama is quitting on WV? Wow. Talk about not being able to seal the deal, and not being willing to dirty one’s hands with hard work!

  544. May 12 is this coming Sunday, and the cover I saw had that date.

    It wouldn’t be the first time somebody made sh*t up.

  545. Just received notice that one of my letters will be published in the Portland Tribune (portland, OR). Let’s keep fighting…..either one of three things is going to happen – all of which required our continued effort….

    1. she will figure out a way to win.
    2. he will win the nom but blow up and she will step in
    3. he will win the nom but blow up and lose and she will be running again in 2012.

  546. forget Time….remember Truman holding up a newspaper with the huge headline….

    “DEWEY WINS”

  547. I can’t believe he not going to come to WV, but I just heard it on the news. How arrogant. Dot I understand. I could type pages of reasons she would make the best President, but look how many people were fooled by Bush on the war and then voting for him again in 2004. I am sick of it and pray everynight for her to win for the sake of our country and even our standing in the world. I can see a better future for my granddaughters with her as being the first woman President.

  548. Hillary reminds me of Truman (not that I remember him personally 😉 )

    She’s feisty and outspoken and smart, and lots of snobby people think they’re better than she is. But she works and works and works, and has a good sense of humor and incredible groundedness.

  549. Okay:
    so far from the BO camp we have: (and 2-4 just today!)

    1) weirdness in Lake County
    2) threatened us with riots
    3) declaring the winner May 20 WITHOUT all the public being able to
    vote.
    4) fake time magazine cover

    The Obama camp is desperate! They are starting to crack.

    Today is a great day to be a Hillary supporter 🙂

    where are you Ronald?

  550. Nothing like a fake Time cover to give away that they’re not as confident as they pretend to be.

  551. he doesn’t want to go to WV because when he loses by 30 pts he can say “well, but I never campaigned there.”

  552. we should be asking why the “prohibitive favorite” thinks he can write off states and key demographics.

  553. I have a question about WV and KY. Is there a way that Hillary gets all the delegates? I read somewhere that if you get below a certain percentage, you don’t get any delegates?

  554. Also can someone please post the amount of delegates left in the remaing states. Thanks.

  555. I did not want to spread a false rumor even though I heard it on the news about Obama not coming to WV so I called his local campaign office. They said maybe but they have no dates as yet. It doesn’t matter really. I will be holding signs up at intersections this weekend for Hillary. I feel like I need to do something.

  556. plural: Nothing like a fake Time cover to give away that they’re not as confident as they pretend to be.

    …and that’s good news for us.

  557. Lynn, please do all you can. Early voting is already happening there. Bring freinds, family, associates to early vote for Hill.

  558. Caroline:

    (from this site, which note gives both MI and FL zero delegates

    politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html

    May 13 West Virginia – – – – 28
    May 20 Kentucky – – – – 51
    Oregon – – – – 52
    June 1 Puerto Rico – – – – 55
    June 3 Montana – – – – 16
    South Dakota – – – – 15
    May 13 West Virginia – – – – 28
    May 20 Kentucky – – – – 51
    Oregon – – – – 52
    June 1 Puerto Rico – – – – 55
    June 3 Montana – – – – 16
    South Dakota – – – – 15

  559. so, is the Time magazine cover real or not?

    and they plan to get this issue on the street BEFORE West Virginia and Oregon votes?

    if this is real, could someone please sue – there are so many reasons why voters can take up a class action now against the media, against DNC based on disenfranchisement and voter suppression.

  560. The DNC’s newest, desperately needed new cash cow = Rainmaker Obama.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/follow-money-rainmaker-obama.html

  561. good going lynn..I will be holding signs up at intersections this weekend for Hillary..down by the capitol the newspaper building….
    what about signs up from charleston to dunbar that stretch is so busy..

  562. An article detailing our call to electoral arms from this moment until we have won the nomination in August. Obama has absolutely no place to hide now, and it is time to rhetorically take he and his zealot supporters to the proverbial woodshed:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=496

    Clinton supporters and all those opposed to Obama, now is our time to, as the movie Gladiator so eloquently put it, “unleash (metaphorical) hell” against the fatally damaged and ready-to-be-put-out-of-its-misery Obama nomination campaign.

    All hands on deck for the coming offensive.

    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal”
    VillarrealSports.com

  563. my missive to Donna Brazille this a.m…….had it get it off my chest..

    Dear Donna,
    In your zeal and obsession with nominating an black candidate, you have conspired to demean, belittle and harangue the only viable candidacy of a woman in my lifetime. You have hemmed and hawed and dissembled on national TV – pretending to be “undecided” – all the while scheming behind the scenes to achieve your ultimate goal.

    Well, it now looks like you and others MAY achieve your goal. But in doing so you have disenfranchised the real core of the democratic party – its women. And no amount of fear mongering about the Supreme Court is going to keep us in line this time. You have rammed a candidate with less than 3 full years of experience at the national level down our throat. A candidate who is very likely to be soundly rejected during the general election as the republicans tear him apart about his association with radical anti-American cronies. Frankly, rightly so. We will deserve to lose in November. But I don’t think you even care about that. I think your only true goal has been the nomination of a black candidate. I hope that it was worth fracturing the party.

    We are not ready to give up the fight yet. I, and many others, will fight until the last dawg dies for Senator Clinton. There are many, many of us who believe passionately that she is the best nominee and would make the best president. But the democratic party has permanently lost my time, my money and my heart. Just to hedge my bets, I made my first donation today to the McCain for President campaign. See if your black, youth and “educated” (you might want to rethink that assumption by the way – I have a master’s degree from a top 3 university) will add up to victory in November. If not, take your coalition and start a new party. Or we will. I don’t think there is room for all of us.

    Best,

  564. Basil,

    Got your email and gave you my real one.

    Paul 🙂

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  565. I’m so glad the Time magazine cover was PHONEY!

    More proof that there are baaaad people trying to get our spirits down.

    If it does end up being real though, who’s with me to boycott Time along with CNN?!

  566. Ann at 1:17, I agree.

    Also, since Obama is acting like this is over, he doesn’t feel the need to campaign and pretend he’s still competing with Hillary.

  567. Take a good look at this so called new politician.He is not going to WV because there are only AA voters in single digits living there and too busy protesting about police brutality and the race card that Obama introduced into this election process.He has the audacity to preach about being a uniter and an a beacon of hope for all people.What a Crock of rehtoric and lies.I hope that Hannity keeps up the vetting process and shows the cult followers what they aare getting for their misguided and flawed efforts and their willingness to participate in this disgraceful crusade to select Jeramiah Wright’s nephew as the the great black Saviour.
    People is it not time to wake up and realize that we are about let Hillary,OUR NATIONAL TREASURE,be taken from us by MSM and all of its Hit MEN.

    Hillary we love you and need you more than any other candidate in our history of voting the will of the people.Brings us back to the last political warning by Pres.DWIGHT EISENHOWER
    “BEWARE OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX POWER” I might add that the MSM should now be included.

    Just made my 18th donation to Hillary from my SS chk and will continue even if I have to get a little hungry.I am a white male,widower,Decorated WWII Vet(4yrs service)and proud of my contributions and I am not going to let an educated but inexperienced CHICAGO WARDHEELER and aBIBLE HUMPING Mad man lead this country into chaos and destruction.

    Fight for HILLARY before they destroy her,

    BY ABM90

  568. Poll has Hillary up 40 in WV.

    BTW, I’ll bet the media will ignore the WV primary next Tuesday.

  569. If the Clinton campaign will spin this right .. the Obama moving on to the GE when he’s hasn’t even won the nomination yet .. it can be a winner. The correct message has got to go out and this played like a violin. It smacks of arrogance and elitism yet again.

    Say he’s giving them the finger in WV and Ky and beyond. I am not holding out faith though, her surrogates have dropped the ball so many times. They have been called out for everything and I know they are gun shy but now is the time for everything.

    she’s not running for anything but President, the party has shit all over her and her family and I say now is the time to say shit on them as well. Tell the people ..

  570. she was up 56 yesterday… votes matter. There is mischief afoot in wv and he ain’t even going to step foot there. $ talks

  571. CJ I will hold signs where ever they need me. I held signs for Gore on Washington St. W. at the intersection near the hospital and interstate. There was alot of traffic there. Also thanks Ann you put my thoughts into words about Donna Brazile. I tried to email her several times over the last two months and it has never went thru. I put her and other Democrats on mute when they are on TV.

  572. She’s with the people in WV while he’s cruising around the Capitol in DC. Who’s the insider candidate?