Hillary Clinton Fights Barack Obama Smears

Bad bowler Obama is trying to rewrite his own history and that of his wife. Obama is also, again, smearing Hillary Clinton.

Obama and his Chicago mud slinging thugs have been attacking Hillary Clinton all throughout this campaign. Obama has smeared small town America. After smearing “bitter” and “cling” small town America, Michelle Obama and B.O. have waged a campaign of distraction and distortion and disguise. “We’re not elitists” claim the Harvard/Princeton/Rezko duo. “We just paid off our student loans” claim the multimillionaires.

The Obamas often say they would still be in debt if not for his best-selling books, which began to swell the couple’s bank account in 2005. In fact, for some period of time, Michelle Obama tells audiences, the couple’s college loan payments cost them more than their monthly mortgage.

As young lawyers, the Obamas pursued non-profit or public service during much of the 1990s. Obama once said he was so broke when he arrived in Los Angeles for the Democratic National Convention in 2000 that his credit card was rejected when he tried to rent a car.

Still, it’s hard to tell just how broke they were, when and for how long.

Public records paint only part of the financial picture. In 1993 they bought a condominium in Hyde Park for $277,500, paying about $111,000 as a down payment, according to county real estate records.

As for income, they earned a combined household total of slightly more than $240,000 in 2000, according to tax records they have since made public. (Their income fluctuated in that range until 2005, when they reported earning $1.6 million.)

But it’s unclear how much their college loan debts were, and aides to the Obama campaign said last week that they could not immediately provide records to clarify.

However, Michelle Obama graduated from Harvard Law School in 1988 and her husband graduated in 1991, around the time when the school’s dean estimated the cost of a Harvard law degree at $62,200. They both also earned undergraduate degrees from Ivy League schools.

In 2005, though, Obama told the Tribune that royalties from his first book and advances on the next had cleared up his financial difficulties. The family moved into a $1.6 million home.

They moved into the Rezko enabled house. Small town Americans don’t have a Rezko to help with their home purchases.

It’s not enough for Obama to insult then deceive Pennsylvania voters. Desperate Big Spender Obama is now in full Chicago smear mode.

Hillary Clinton exposes Obama as all talk, bad actions:

Hillary is not allowing Obama to deceive the small town voters, or any voter, in Pennsylvania:

“I just heard that my opponent has put up an ad attacking my health care plan, which is kind of curious, because my plan covers everybody and his leaves out 15 million people – just leaves them out in the cold.

“Now, instead of attacking the problem, he chooses to attack my solution.

“I don’t think that we can just make speeches about this – we have to have a plan that we can actually implement that will provide quality affordable health care. That’s what I’ve been fighting for for 15 years, and that’s what I will fight for as your president.”

Obama can’t think on his feet. He fumbled and mumbled at the debate and now, late in the day, he trys the typical Chicago smear. Hillary Clinton calls him out:

Obama’s weekend smear record:

A major theme of Sen. Obama on the stump is that Hillary Clinton is running a negative campaign based on “slash and burn politics” and that he represents a break from that kind of politics. In fact, in just the last 48-hours, Sen. Obama has flooded airwaves, radio, phone lines and mailboxes with negative and false attacks against Hillary. This unprecedented barrage coincides with a weak debate performance and Sen. Obama”s slide in the daily Gallup poll.

1. In the most outrageous attack of the campaign, Obama surrogates held a conference call attacking Hillary’s character, claiming she did not have the “moral authority” to lay a wreath on the Tomb on the Unknown Soldier. [Link]

2. Launched a television ad featuring false, negative attacks on Hillary’s health care plan. [Link]

3. Distributed negative mail about Hillary’s trade positions, complete with citations even Sen. Obama has acknowledged have been debunked. [Link]

4. Flooded voters with robocalls saying Hillary will “say anything” to win.

Not content to merely smear long-time, experienced, Democrat Hillary Clinton, Obama today praised Republican John McCain:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday that Republican rival John McCain would be better for the country than President Bush has been over the past eight years.

“You have a real choice in this election. Either Democrat would be better than John McCain,” Obama said to cheers from a rowdy crowd in central Pennsylvania. Then he said: “And all three of us would be better than George Bush.” [snip]

Obama was trying to argue that he is the better choice over Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in Tuesday’s primary in Pennsylvania. But the Illinois senator ended up mixing in praise for McCain at the same time.

The comment threatened to undercut Obama’s efforts – and those of the entire Democratic Party – to portray the GOP presidential nominee-in-waiting as nothing more than an extension of Bush’s unpopular tenure. At the very least, it provides fodder Republicans can use to prop up McCain.

Big Media in the quote above tries once again to WORM (What Obama Really Meant) Obama out of his stupid statement. Obama just can’t think on his feet so his Big Media protectors are working overtime.

Pennsylvania voters will see Hillary today and tomorrow across the state:

Hillary responded to Obama’s smears today. Pennsylvania’s “bitter” and ‘clingy’ voters will reply to Obama’s smears on Tuesday.

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525 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton Fights Barack Obama Smears

  1. that mccain comment from bambi should be spread all over. that is bad and underuts our arguement for 08

  2. Thanks to Neetabug, Henry and all the other hard working volunteers and staff helping Hillary fight the Obama smears in Pennsylvania.

    Thanks also to all who donated needed dollars towards a Pennsylvania victory.

    A big “Hooray” to all of us.

    And a big thanks to Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea.

  3. remember tomorrow 4:44 pm .. bomb the Hillary Clinton contribution button. Contribute as much as possible.

    I wish we could get a reminder on this put up somewhere. I’m setting my timer to remind me LOL

  4. admin – thanks for posting what I posted 😉 makes me feel good given that Im deaf and can’t make calls this is the next best thing I can do 🙂

  5. Win4Hill Says:

    April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 am
    I hope those comments our girl made against “activist” democrats and turning on Moveon.org will hurt her standing

    *************************************

    I don’t understand this notation Win4Hill. I am feeling dull and stupid this afternoon. Can you explain for me?

    Thanks

  6. wonder when someone from the campaign or Hillary herself will call him out for not knowing how the Capital Gains tax works and the dreadful answer he gave in the debate? Time to move into something that NC can munch on.

  7. from tm-
    Here’s another report from the ground in PA. I just returned from taking two visiting New Yorkers up to the Northeast PA office for canvassing. When we arrived Mayor Nutter and Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz were there and a huge crowd of Hillary supporters with signs. Mayor Nutter was encouraging people to canvass over the next 48 hours. He said “don’t look at TV or read the newspapers”! Then he went off to canvass a few houses himself. It was really cool. Furthermore I met two women who had come from Norway to canvass for Hillary! Can you believe it Norway! It was so inspiring and touching. The troops are on the ground and mobilized!
    Thanks to all who have come to help out-you are all an inspiration.
    hillgirl | 04.20.2008 – 5:21 pm

  8. Maybe someone should hand BO a copy of his 2006 tax return and let him explain his own capital gains and losses statement.

    online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/Obama_tax2006.pdf

  9. man I hope we can make a huge impact with our 4:44 MoneyBomb for tomorrow. Hill is gonna need new resources for North Carolina and Indiana and beyond.

  10. justmeinmountdorafl – Try to come to the Orlando petition drive/rally April 26th – I will send a reminder to all the HRC groups today for email distribution

  11. Love that Hillary:

    Clinton told the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Thomas Fitzgerald this morning at a suburban diner stop in Abington that Obama was “undermining his own message” of proposing a new politics through negative TV ads as well as a host of direct-mail and automated phone calls.

    “He is doing what candidates do when they get desperate at the end of an election,” Clinton said. Obama’s campaign has said their ad attacking Clinton’s health-care plan was in response to a TV commercial critical of the Illinois senator’s plans that came from an independent group that is receiving funding from Clinton allies. The Clinton campaign announced today it will launch its own response ad to the Obama response ad.

    Clinton also said there was no “contradiction” from her previous position when she told last week’s ABC News debate audience that she thought Obama was electable after weeks in which her main case to the superdelegates who could decide the nomination was that Obama could not win a general election fight against presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

    “Yes, yes, yes,” Clinton said during the debate last week at the National Constitution Center on Independence Mall.

    Today, she said, “He can be elected. I WILL be elected.”

    “There is a difference,” the New York senator said. “Look at the electoral map: I’ve carried states that a Democrat must have to win. Anything is possible, but I am more likely” to gain the White House against McCain.

  12. admin .. do you think you could push the MoneyBomb for 4:44 tomorrow? She needs every nickel, dime and penny we can muster up and get to her and as much outreach as we can get out .. the better for her.

    I’m in for $44.44!

  13. Im surprised her website does not have this much of a push for money as Obama does – remember the money meter and the likes

  14. She is awesome. I am so sick of people buying this bs. I am ready for another day of “he is closing the gap”, etc etc, and then she’ll whoop his a**. Whatev, I am very happy. Doing phone calls and sounds awesome there.

  15. She does have the contribute button up but Hillary has never pushed her base for $. She knows we are strapped in this economy and I value that in her candidacy. She is managing on a shoestring and that speaks volumes as to how she’d spend our taxpayer money.

  16. the “talk” ad as posted by admin is that Hillary’s actual ad or one of those 527 ads?

  17. NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE TO HIT THE STANDS WITH THIS!!! APRIL 28TH ISSUE

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/132874 WHICH MUST BE A COUNTER ANSWER TO THIS ARTICLE http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=William+Ayers&tid=relatedcl
    #
    The Democrats’ Wimp Factor
    Michael Hirsh 4/17/2008 12:00:00 AM

    The specter of John Kerry in 2004 is beginning to haunt the Democrats in 2008. It is the specter of wimpy campaigns past. It showed up, like Banquo’s ghost, at the debate Wednesday night in Philadelphia, particularly when Hillary Clinton joined with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson to nip away at the edges of Barack Obama’s patriotism. Between the questions about Obama’s meager association with William Ayers, a former Weatherman, and the suspicions raised by his lack of a flag lapel pin, the likely nominee is slowly being turned into John Kerry. He is becoming, in other words, a candidate who may be mostly right about national security but who will lack the Red State street cred to carry his point—and the election.

    Obama: Can’t ‘Swift Boat’ Me

    The Obama campaign is planning to expand its research and rapid-response team in order to repel attacks it anticipates over his ties to 1960s radical Bill Ayers, indicted developer Antoin Rezko and other figures from his past. David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist, tells NEWSWEEK that the Illinois senator won’t let himself be “Swift Boated” like John Kerry in 2004. “He’s not going to sit there and sing ‘Kumbaya’ as the missiles are raining in,” Axelrod said. “I don’t think people should mistake civility for a willingness to deal with the challenges to come.” The move appears to be an acknowledgment that the Obama campaign may not have moved aggressively enough when questions about Ayers and Rezko first arose, and it comes amid fresh indications that conservative groups are preparing a wave of attack ads over the links.

    Operatives such as David Bossie, whose Citizens United group made the Willie Horton ad that helped sink Michael Dukakis’s 1988 presidential bid, are sharpening knives as expectations mount that Obama will be their target in the fall. Bossie says he is assembling material for TV spots about Obama’s ties with Ayers, a Chicago professor and unrepentant former member of the Weather Underground, a group that bombed several government buildings to protest the Vietnam War. The Ayers issue bounced around right-wing media for months, but it received broad exposure at last week’s debate on ABC, when Obama was asked a question about their relationship. Obama, who lives near Ayers in Chicago’s Hyde Park, attended an event at Ayers’s house when Obama ran for the state Senate in 1995—and served on the board of a nonprofit with him for several years. “Obama is aware of the acts Ayers committed when he was 8 years old and has called them ‘detestable’,” says spokesman Ben LaBolt, adding that Obama occasionally bumps into Ayers in his neighborhood “but has not seen him for months.” At a recent dinner party, according to one guest who asked not to be identified discussing a private gathering, Ayers “ridiculed” the notion that Obama shared his left-wing views: “He thought the idea that there was a political connection between them was absurd.” (Ayers declined to comment.)

    Rezko’s Chicago corruption trial, meanwhile, continues to raise questions for Obama. Last week a prosecution witness testified that Obama attended a 2004 party at Rezko’s mansion for Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi tycoon who was later banned from the United States due to a fraud conviction in France. A spokeswoman for Illinois Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn told NEWSWEEK that the event was a sit-down dinner, at which Quinn made a brief speech welcoming Auchi to Chicago. According to court documents, Rezko later sought to enlist unnamed “Illinois government officials” for help lobbying the Feds to allow Auchi back into the country. A lawyer for Auchi says his client denies any wrongdoing in France and has no recollection of meeting Obama; the senator, who denies doing any favors for Auchi, “does not recall attending this event,” says Obama spokesman LaBolt, nor does he “recall meeting Mr. Auchi at any other time.”

  18. SORRY,…… that didn’t go as planned LOL

    the article : Obama: Can’t ‘Swift Boat’ Me
    is what is coming out soon 😀

  19. dot48, we’ll mention the 4:44 tomorrow. However, the donations should be staggered by time zones. We don’t want to cause headaches tomorrow at campaign headquarters by messing up the servers.

    $44.44 at 4:44 sounds good.

    justmeinmountdorafl, the ads are from the campaign.

  20. Dot

    With my newly found ways to eat eggs, I’ll match your $44.44. ( I told myself I’d do $10.44 a week for April…oh well, I can’t take it with me.)

  21. thanks ADMIN, again, KUDOS on a wonderful job with this site, I love it! Nearly addicted to it! Pink-Aid it is!

  22. Admin and all…

    Just everyone do it at 4.44 pm in their own time zone…And that means you too Emmy and Paddy and Moononpluto!

  23. just saw on comcast news

    Obama: McCain will be a better President then Bush

    (in other words, a republican will do for this year’s election)

  24. I know none of us like him, but whenever Zogby has anything good to say about Hillary it is nice to hear.

    Pollster John Zogby: “A big one-day of polling for Clinton. If a 10-point victory is the
    pundit-driven threshold she needs on Tuesday, it looks like she can do it. This does not look like a
    one-day anomaly – undecideds dropped to only 5% in this latest single day of polling, and they are
    breaking Clinton’s way. As I suggested yesterday, if white and Catholic voters, who still are the
    biggest portion of undecideds, actually vote, Clinton will have her double-digit victory. Just today
    alone, she polled 53% to Obama’s 38%.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/NewsmaxPADay5NR%204_21_2008.pdf

  25. urgh everytime i think of Body Odour and Musty Odour stinking up the WH, i get sick in my mouth

  26. everyone pray or whatever you do for the voters to get out to the polls for Tuesday!! That double digit victory is close and within grasp. I was not allowing myself to get too hyped but I knew what my gut was telling me and what people on the phones were saying.

    YES WE CAN.

  27. Hawk !!!

    MY GOSH!

    I was just talking about you last night w/ someone else who is both on this board and works off it even harder.

    Need for you to contact me. Please reach me thru Admin or leave any other safe way I can reach you posted here.

    Thanks dearheart.

  28. Win4Hill Says:
    April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 am
    I hope those comments our girl made against “activist” democrats and turning on Moveon.org

    I suppose a NOT was left out further in your post. 🙂

    As to the comments, Taylormarsh.com has a good deconstruction of the HuffPo piece that claimed she was harsh toward Moveon. The writer had pieced together bits of separate comments, answers to separate questions iirc.

  29. DKooks is going nuts LOL

    one poster said they had made 75 calls and it wasn’t looking good for obama
    and that everyone needs to start calling LOL!!! 😀

  30. Admin

    that article is being cross posted by other sites as well…..by monday it should be on most if not all 😀

  31. another DK comment

    I see Hillary signs and stickers EVERYWHERE. Obama? Not so much.

    I’d love to see him pull this out, but I just don’t think it’s going to happen.

  32. just me .. the people I’ve spoken with during phonebanking have been very informed on this election. I am surprised at how informed most people are. I am also lead to believe that voters are not being bamboozled or hoodwinked. The caucus structure is not dead to people either .. they are aware of what went on in the caucus.

    Hillary support is DEEP. Hillary support know that the “big whigs” in the party want to force her out and they have their own reasons .. varied and mostly those we have discussed here.
    Hillary is seen as being the most experienced, ready on day one, the one who can relate to the middle class the most, the one with the best ideas and solutions .. SOLUTIONS FOR AMERICA being put up on the podiums and on the signs is having an effect .. people are seeing that when they see her face now.

    Hillary is also accepted as having problems .. those problems and baggage that we all have. She is accepted for the human being she is.

    Hillary has become the insurgant against the wrong wing of the party who wants to go with the rich and elite .. Bill and Hillary are still associated with the working class, poor and sensible part of the party.

    *******

    this is what I take away from my conversations.

  33. RJK1957

    I don’t believe Zogby as far as I can see him…when he was doing the Zogby/c-span rolling average polls, I swear he was rigging them to effect GOTV…he has been known to have an effect on turnout for the last 3 voting cycles.

    Smart campaigns no longer trust him or ARG for real info…tho if in their favor, they might use it for PR…but short-term PR only.

  34. thanks dot48, appreciate it.

    TexasforHillary, appreciate the video with the person signing – beautiful

  35. those young, rich, jerks trying to sway working people who have to get in the trenchs and work their ass off for every bite on the table .. nah, won’t work. PA are laughing in their soup it seems

    You know, sometimes you get what you wish for. Obama and the dirty wing of the party want him to be associated with the “young” .. well, with working people, the “young” are like are little puppies or kitties .. we love em but we won’t be letting them make our major decisions.

  36. dot48 Says:
    April 20th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    wonder when someone from the campaign or Hillary herself will call him out for not knowing how the Capital Gains tax works and the dreadful answer he gave in the debate?

    All BOs’ talk ABOUT distractions in the early part of the debate, may BE intended as a distraction from how badly he did in the later, substantive part.

    I felt kind of sympathetic toward him when he was saying he barely knew Ayers. But that’s what he said about Rezko at first, too….

  37. zogy polling seems to reflect what is happening on the ground. from reports here, other places and even from the ObamazonCultCrew. The main thing is to get those people to the polls. I’m glad Hillary got the $ early on for the vans to help transport voters.

  38. Ok, just made 15 calls.

    4 no answer (left message)
    2 hang ups
    6 for Hillary
    2 Undecided (1 leaning Obama, 1 leaning Hillary)
    1 for Obama. (this freak cussed me out for no apparent reason. After he said “I’m for BaracKK” I just said, “Ok, well, thank you, have a nice day.” and he started yelling profanities and saying something inaudible…. O_o)

  39. btw, one of the hangsups I had was this woman who was angry about how much her house was being pestered. lol. She said her husband has been called twice, and herself, three times. lol 🙁 aww.

  40. yeah, 1950 .. some pundit actually did say that he was worse on the 2nd part because we’ve had some 20 debates and those answers should be ingrained by now. Goes to show he doesn’t know jack shit about the issues that he keeps talking about.

    Arrogance and pettiness and elitism are not looked on well by core democrats. Those qualities are extreme to me and foreign to what our party really is about.

    Obama has been defined now by the very terms that we associate with the ones who have no idea how it feels to have to really work hard to keep food on the table and how hard it is to pay our bills.

  41. Yeah, but usually Zogby polls for BO. He had him at 13 point win in CA. But, yeah, he’s a crap pollster. For instance, he says undecided were at 5 points, however 53+38=91, so where are the other 4?

  42. I’ve not seen or heard anyone in the last week who says Obama can win PA, not one single person.

    Its Massachussets all over again. They said Obama would come close or win, he lost by 15.

    Its California all over again, the said he was 10 ahead, he lost by 9.

    Its Ohio all over again, they said it was tied, he lost by 10.

    Its NJ, they said on ST night, it was close, he lost by 10.

    Its Rhode Island, they said it was close, he lost by 18.

  43. I like that Bill lays it all out bare for the voters .. it’s now up to YOU. YOU make a difference and Hillary has been saying over the weekend that THEY will be picking the president on Tuesday. I’m glad they are letting the people know that this is major important.

  44. In case you haven’t checked out Anglachel’s latest blog post today:
    http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/04/radical-chic.html

    Radical Chic
    “Let’s talk about the candidates. It is simply wrong to claim that Obama is some political radical. He is as mainstream as anyone else within the party power elite, which itself is a fairly narrow slice of all possible political stances. While it is popular in the blogosphere to cite this or that organization who has declared the senator to be “the most liberal” (and noting that, for some, this is condemnation, not praise), all of this needs to be put into the context of the rightward shift of politics, and even more so of political discourse, over the last 25 years….”

  45. Emjay –

    Win4Hill Says:

    April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 am
    I hope those comments our girl made against “activist” democrats and turning on Moveon.org will hurt her standing

    *************************************

    I don’t understand this notation Win4Hill. I am feeling dull and stupid this afternoon. Can you explain for me?

    Thanks
    ***********
    Win4Hill is a troll – most likely the person who either runs or associate with the blogspot that ridicules us. last night, Win4Hill posted a Naomi Wolf article stating that she/he supports Obama. It was 2 month old article and I suspected something was up because it came from left field…well, upon checking, it didn’t just come from Leftfield, it came from Something Awful, another site that ridicules us, and this is what someone had said on that forum:

    Apr 20, 2008 03:08
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi…-v_b_89017.html somebody give them this because naomi wolf is pretty cool. then maybe they’ll flip out on her for not being a feminist to their standards or something and send angry mail to her

  46. dot48 Says:
    April 20th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    the people I’ve spoken with during phonebanking have been very informed on this election. I am surprised at how informed most people are. I am also lead to believe that voters are not being bamboozled or hoodwinked. [….]

    *******

    this is what I take away from my conversations.

    So, do they have any concerns we should still be addressing, perhaps in comments to local media?

    Spega sent me a short priority list of PA papers, it’s at h t t p : / / ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm#PAhighpriority

  47. of course Zogby is pushing bam bam but really Zogby couldnt produce an accurate poll if his ass depended on it. He knows she’s got this one, so maybe he’s trying to look like he knows what he’s doing for once.

  48. I don’t think it’s possible now to raise expectations any more.

    The “Pundit Threshold” is 10% ..
    ..
    Hillary is gonna do much better than that.

    Pennsylvania is gonna give the ELITE WING OF THE DEM PARTY A WAKE UP BIG FINGER ..

    The writing is on the wall .. that is why bambi is in panic mode.

    The voters in PA know this is important and that Hillary is depending on them .. that is why I say it’s wise for Bill to lay it bare.

  49. hey, you guys do each other a favor, let’s not put ourselves to setting expecations, lets just pray for the best and work toward to doing that. In addition, if any of you know if Hillary’s on TV, let each other know. Whenever I watch her, I get tingles, its just so exciting knowing she can and will be our 44th President.

  50. dot48 Says:

    April 20th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    yeah, 1950 .. some pundit actually did say that he was worse on the 2nd part because we’ve had some 20 debates and those answers should be ingrained by now. Goes to show he doesn’t know jack shit about the issues that he keeps talking about.

    Arrogance and pettiness and elitism are not looked on well by core democrats. Those qualities are extreme to me and foreign to what our party really is about.

    Obama has been defined now by the very terms that we associate with the ones who have no idea how it feels to have to really work hard to keep food on the table and how hard it is to pay our bills.
    *****************************************************Go to show Obambi is lying, he can remember what is important to him but not to have your stuff together on your 23rd debate is pathetic.

    Obambi is a marxist that like money…he’s doesn’t do go in debates on question he lying on. He does real well on questions like hoodwink and bamboozle and talking to fundraisers on his beliefs. So if he is having problems in the debates it’s because he can’t keep his lies straight.

  51. the general consensus I get from the callers who support Hillary is that there is no really reasonable choice but hers.

    idk, its different from when I’ve called other states. I’m getting words like “and who else can I support? Hillary is the best/only choice!” whereas in other states, I didn’t get so much assured Hillary support.

    maybe that’s just the callers I’m calling, but I’m optimistic 🙂

  52. Push her Economic agenda and her Solutions for America. She has REAL plans and solutions .. not a bunch of fancy speechs and falsh hope. Talk up her health care plan, her Iraq plan, all the things she has proposed to do. These are Solutions .. not just false promise. She lays out each plan and offers a way to get there. Those who say that there is not much difference in the two fo thems policy .. well I disagree. Obama has copied every policy of Hillary’s and taken credit for them.

    Push her Poverty Czar Position .. I think this is one BIG thing that is being overlooked.

  53. Win4Hill Says:

    April 19th, 2008 at 9:22 am
    I hope those comments our girl made against “activist” democrats and turning on Moveon.org will hurt her standing

    *************************************

    I don’t understand this notation Win4Hill. I am feeling dull and stupid this afternoon. Can you explain for me?

    Thanks

    *******
    EMJAY -Win4Hill is a troll; very likely the one who runs or at least associates with the blogspot that makes fun of us. Last night, Win4Hill posted a Naomi Wolf article supportive for Obama. It was suspicious – 2 months old, and came from left field – but more importantly, it wasn’t just left field, it was from Something Awful, the board that makes fun of us (i might add in very sexist, homophobic, ageist, and racist ways). There are other notations in there of Win4Hill being a “goon” – but this is the connection:

    Apr 20, 2008 03:08
    w w w.huffingtonpost.com/naomi…-v_b_89017.html somebody give them this because naomi wolf is pretty cool. then maybe they’ll flip out on her for not being a feminist to their standards or something and send angry mail to her

  54. Susan Estrich has been saying since 2004 that Hillary could be elected in 2008, and put herself out there with her book, “The Case For Hillary Clinton,” published in 2005. The book has some great graphs, showing exactly the states needed for a strong Electoral win in thw GE.

    I know she is often critisized, mostly cause she calls it as she sees it, and is unafraid, unlike her Dem colleague, Donna Brazille.

    In fact, Susan did not endorse our girl until February, not exactly Hill’s best month, remember. But she endorsed fully, and after much thought.

    Can you tell I admire her? Duh.

  55. nbc nightly ust had a great piee on hillary-showed her outworking bambi-standing in the rain last night giving a rally-no umbrella etc.. very moving. showed the smear from bambi’s gen on hillary and the tomb. showed hsi neg ads and her responses. a good piece and showed bambi’s neg moves

  56. Join Hillary for a “Solutions for Pennsylvania” Homecoming Rally in Scranton!
    Scranton Cultural Center, Ballroom
    420 N. Washington Avenue
    Scranton, PA
    Doors Open 7:00 a.m.

    Join Hillary and President Bill Clinton for a “Solutions for Pennsylvania” Rally in Pittsburgh!
    Market Square
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Doors Open 11:30 a.m.

    Join Hillary for a “Solutions for Pennsylvania” Rally in Harrisburg!
    Zembo Events Center 2801 N 3rd St
    Harrisburg, PA 17110
    Doors Open 3:30 p.m.

    Join Hillary, President Bill Clinton, and Chelsea for an Election Eve “Solutions for Pennsylvania” Rally in Philadelphia!
    University of Pennsylvania, Palestra
    33rd Street between Spruce and Walnut
    Philadelphia, PA 19104
    Doors Open 8:00 p.m.

    I think it’s wonderful that Bill and Hillary will meet in Pittsburgh and then again in Philadelphia with Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea

  57. Hillary The Fighter. It’s resonating with working folks. NBC actually doing a fair piece? Wow.

    That General dissing Hillary will cost bambi .. also, the fact that Hillary owned up to her Bosnia flap and stated in the debate that she had it right in her book .. I think that settled that question

  58. i hope Hillary is sending surrogates to Philadelphia! I want total domination on Tuesday, including Philadelphia and the African American regions (ok..maybe not domination here, but a sizeable 30-40% chunk)

  59. britt hume just said on wallace’s show

    if obama has anymore gaffes the sd will be much more worried about him than they already are!!!

  60. should have added……

    so his gaffe today of saying that all 3 of them will be better than bush………maybe will seal the deal with the SD?? 😀

  61. i want to see Hillary, Bill, Chelsea, Maya Angelou, Mayor Nutter, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and Congresswoman Lee jackson all canvassing in the African American neighboods in Philadelphia. According to most reports, Obama basically ignored these areas. If Hillary can separate herself and her surrogates to get to all these parts that were ignored, she could make some leeway 🙂

  62. Read this on Facebook:

    “Let’s Not forget the many buses and caravans that transported his supporters from other states to the rally last night. Which means that the crowd did not represent “35,000 Pennsylvania” residents and voters

    From a PA person from Philly in the Washigton Post.”

  63. I think Obama is a corporate dream candidate. When it’s not on the ‘liberal rating’ record, he tweaks the fine print or votes present or pushes the wrong button, so as to favor the money interests. But he doesn’t get them involved with the social right wing nuts who oppose gay marriage etc.

  64. Chris Wallace HATES Hillary doesn’t he? Just caught the tail end

    Told you all he bussed in those people. He is such a fraud. Also, the Pa people know that those people are “foreign” .. as is Obama.

  65. The fact the NJ and NY and OH border most of PA, makes me think that Hillary’s in good stead in PA.

  66. and what the hell is the point of spending dollars bussing in thousands of random people only to attend a rally?

    what’s the use in that? whose bright idea was this? are they really this desperate? lmao

  67. yes they are, its all about the perception that he got 35’000 people at his speech when really they are probably the same large crowds of people he’s been bussing round the country.

  68. Ok…I continued making calls asI did yesterday…..nearly 180 calls….

    hillary – 22
    leaning Hill – 6
    undecided – 3
    BO – 3
    Refused – 10
    McCain – 3

    But the majority were just answering machines….I decided to forgo leaving messages. People are getting tired of messages.

    I managed to convince 2 undecided to leaning hillary on 2 issues:

    1 – healthcare mandates and its implication.
    2 – Social security, taxes and hillary’s bi-partisan approach with fiscal responsibility as a priority….

    I wish Hillary would send a big message on this Bambi health care thing about forcing people who cannot afford it will be forced to do so by mandates. She needs to answer that she will be covering the poor in a way that also includes them getting out of poverty…in other words she is all taking care of poverty as well as healthcare by giving enough subsidies with their insurance plans…they go hand in hand…

  69. my favorite news from all this is that article about John kerry making speeches/rallies for Obama and the only audience he got were about 50 Obama campaign people LMAO 😀

  70. Mjs .. media did not even start to mention that the 35,000 were bussed in. Intent was to leave the impression that 35,000 people rushed over to Independence Square to meet the messiah.

    Headline I saw was .. biggest crowd ever.

    It actually looks even worse on him when he loses big. They have been doing the same dirty tricks the entire campaign. But we said early on that his freshness would get old, people would start to ask questions and boy what did he do when they came .. he wilted. he folded like a cheap lawn chair. just like we knew he would.

  71. moonpluto, lol, there was this article about 1 week into the Penn primary comparing the 5,000 Kerry got when he campaigned in Philadelphia in 2004 and now when he had 50 Obama campaign workers clapping for his speech. lol!

  72. dot48, in this respect, the bambam campaign has succeeded. I think the reason he made such a big rally and big headlines was to tell the undecideds to jump on his apparent bandwagon.

  73. Have they been bussing people for the entire campaign?? He had 15,000-17,000 at a rally in Idaho, a few months ago. Was this staged??

  74. I wouldnt be surprised if it was staged, I heard the same thing happening in California

  75. birdgal .. I read an article somewhere right after Iowa that he actually was paying people 12.00 an hour to show up at rally’s. I used the term “paid mourner”. Who wouldn’t take an all expense paid vacation across country just to stand in a rally for a little while

  76. Ininla

    So has Win4Hill showed up here since? Just curious; I’ll go look if you don’t know.

    Have missed out on a few posts because I was on phone w/ 2 of our mutual friends last night, so am behind my behind because I did not want to give up my usual Sunday either…wherein I treat meself to sauted onions and bacon crumbles in 2 fresh scrambled eggs, wrapped in two warm tortillas, washed down with two bloody marys…followed by a 2 hour nap…better, if practiced on a weekly basis, than that fountain of youth somewhere near where our old friend SpaceGirl used to live.

    Figure all that out, you trolls. Heh heh heh.

  77. On the Road in Pennsylvania: Hillary Clinton Tonight at Penn State
    1:39 pm April 20th, 2008 by lauram · 1 Comment

    STATE COLLEGE–Currently Liz Burlingame and I are at Penn State University. Although it was quiet earlier here today, the campus has started to come to life.

    Hillary Clinton will hold a rally here tonight in the Rec Hall, and we are going to be talking to students for their thoughts on this pivotal election.

    With the Pennsylvania primary only two days away, we will let you know what Clinton has to say to garner as many of the youth votes she can. Stay tuned.

    http://www.seattlepoliticore.org/2008/04/20/on-the-road-in-pennsylvania-hillary-tonight-at-penn-state/

  78. Probably, to some extent, Birdgal. That’s what astroturfing is. The point it to draw the illusion of a movement.

  79. I hope we can see it on tv, carbynew, 😉

    now that DEFINATELY EXPLAINS (DOT48) the reasons why his crowds are looking dead…. they must be tired of hearing the same old speech from Obama – remember less enthusiasm – they got the easy job

  80. all this bussing is part of the Axelrod deception strategy. He’s a master at creating hype and media attention out of nothing.

  81. MJS: When I heard about Idaho, I was wondering, where did all those people come from. That was more than some of the CA rallies.

    dot: unbelievable that his campaign would pay people. what a sham.

    BIG DAWG ON C-SPAN.

  82. Dot

    That ad was reproduced on these pages, and was in a paper in CA, wages were 412.50 per hour, gas money provided, and hookup to crash pad locations would be provided.

    They (the young stormtroopers) were in Iowa, Nevada and Texas as well. I once posted an encounter I had with a group of all-male, all tall, all young O-bots that I had at a Jeff-Jack Dinner. I caught them lying about where they were from.

  83. Is it possible that all these people he busses in are the same people overwhelming the caucus sitwes, i would not be surprised.

    Paid disruptors.

  84. i’m curious. wouldn’t pennsylvannias notice an army of busses approaching BO’s rally?

    god, everytime I see barack Obama, i think of the foulest smelling odor.

  85. carbynew, you’re so right. I bet we can even make some monkey comparisons between Bambam and that infamous bush-like chimp.

  86. Oh, GOOD! Shelia Jackson Lee is just freaking amazing. I LOVE her! I’m so glad she is in PA with Bill.

  87. when I see Bill Clinton, I’m just so awed, I remember the 90s and how it was a period of sensibility (esp for the Monica mess)

  88. This ought to make you laugh,,Kennedy’s lost the plot. Seems he was talking to obama people only too, lol.

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/04/kennedy_hits_harrisburg_to_fir.html

    Kennedy hits Harrisburg to fire up Obama volunteers

    Preaching to the choir, Kennedy said Obama is the right person to lead the country into the future and urged the volunteers to “do the hard and difficult work for the next 44 hours.”

    Then, in a scene right out of “Oh Brother Where Art Thou,” Kennedy led the crowd in a spirited rendition of “You are my sunshine” before shaking more hands, posing for more pictures and heading off for similar stops at Obama headquarters in York and Gettysburg.

    and the comment underneath it all, made me hoot

    There’s that drunken Ted Kennedy supporting Barack HUSSEIN Obama…..In today’s Sunday Patriot News….Obama’s favorite book: “The Autobiography of Malcolm X”…..Why am I not surprised. Nothing surprises me about this boy anymore.

  89. Emjay – sounds like an amazing breakfast, bloody mary on Sundays, nice….to your question, yes, was on here just yesterday.

  90. OMG, i just saw the best quote.

    Kennedy in Pensylvania, whats he trying to do, be the pope of Martha’s Vineyard.

  91. lmao. So kennedy is just doing emotional support? lol

    What? Is he surprised he draws even LESS willing/non-paid people than horse-faced kerr-bear? lol

    Funny how Obama campaign must hire kennedy to boost morale in the HQs across Penn…must say something………

  92. elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/20/clinton-obama-head-into-final-hours-in-pa/

    good article, read it, I tried copy/pasting the part about Obama cheering on McCain

  93. Gotta love those 2 political rules:

    If they are saying you shold get out, it’s cause they are afraid of you being in.

    If they say they you can’t win, it is cause they know you can, (and in our girl’s case, will.)

    Contrast the difference btwn how all the Cintons handle crowds and how our xenophobic opponent handles them.

  94. From now on i think we should refer to Teddy Kennedy as “The Pope of Martha’s Vineyard” pontificating from on high, clueless.

  95. Lovely that my two Senators from a state BO lost in a landslide are out there pushing this clown.

    What city is Bill in? What’s the crowd like?

  96. Dot,
    I’m in tomorrow for $44.44. Did you get my message at hillbill’s?
    All,
    I remember reading months ago that Ozomba was paying people to attend rallies. it wouldn’t surprise me if he also bussed them in. His entire campaign has been run like a recording company breaking in a new artist. The hype, the money, the high visibility, the press coverage, but as with any music marketing strategy, the results are only as good as the ‘product.’ Even established artists like Mariah Carey bomb if the product doesn’t match the hype. Same thing in the movie business. And the Ozomba product is about to bomb, big time.

  97. mj .. believe me, they have no credibility. Kerry and Kennedy are the 2008 clowns .. ObamaEdition(tm)

  98. you know, with all the calls to tell Hillary get out…

    They all increased as the time approached for Hillary-favored states.

    When Obama was busy winning his 10 state-streak in February, the calls for Hillary to leave were mostly just by pundits. AS you neared Ohio and TExas, the democratic leaders began calling for her to quit. And they called for her to quit even AFTER her wins in both states and as we approach Penn.

    how sad of those quivering-wimps at the DNC

  99. mj: the clip is from this a.m., Millvale, Pa. seems like a good crowd. he is kissing babies and posing for pictures.

  100. hill just slammed obama on his mccain better than bush remark at jonestown rally! love the quote-
    thepage.time.com/2008/04/20/obama-mccain-would-be-a-better-president-than-bush/

  101. The old saying

    You can dress a turd up, as much as you like but in the end its still a great big smelly turd.

  102. He signs, he poses, he shakes hands, he talks, he listens, he smiles,he TOUCHES people, all people, lots of people.

    Sorta like our girl.

  103. mj, most dems prbbly either hate Kerry or think he’s a big fat loser (as I do) and as for Kennedy, the only Kennedy’s people ever cared much about here John and Robert…and for awhile, JFK jr.

    No one really cares about/likes Ted kennedy.

  104. MJS,

    Why would you say that after the huge controversy over the Ozomba delegate who was accused of racism and given a citation for saying the neighbors kids were like monkeys for climbing her trees?

  105. justmeinmount: idk about that…”bigger than kennedy and kerry combined”…Kennedy is quite large….lol

  106. lol mjs 😉 Kennedy looks drunk I dont know why

    Will Hillary be on TV for her rally in State College?

  107. a McClatchy/MSNBC/Pittbsurgh Post Gazette small poll conducted April 17-18 shows that among the 16 percent of voters who identified themselves as hunters, Clinton led 56 percent to 31 percent, and of the 38 percent who said they were gun owners, Clinton was favored 53 percent to 28 percent.

    Pieces coming together.

  108. Ted Kennedy is the prime example that brains and political talent are clearly non-hereditary. Look at his two brothers…and then look at him…fawning over and trying desperately to take in every fart Obama emits when he opens his mouth.

  109. Moonpluto,

    LMAO!

    “The Pope of Martha’s Vineyard.”

    Only problem is that the REAL pope, who I watched at St. patrick’s Cathedral yesterday (no, I’m not Christain, just interested in important events, national and international, political and religious), is so cute, so serene, so gentle, so humble, it would be a terrible insult to him.

  110. birdgal,

    for pointing out Big Dawg’s appearance on cspan….woulda missed it if not for the heads up.

  111. that’s great news moononpluto! Though I hope the undecideds from the gun owners will take a second look at that bitter quote and go to Hillary on Tuesday.

  112. Kennedy nor Kerry has helped obama .. perhaps hurt him.

    Richardson has not helped obama .. perhaps helped Hillary.

  113. If Kennedy is running around crooning “You Are My Sunshine” to Obambi, he MUST be drinking again!

    Gawd, that cracked me right up! 😀

  114. that’s why I ask for each other to keep each other posted so we can watch Hillary inspire us and keep on fighting for her

  115. dot48, the only one Richardson has affected is himself. He will be remembered as “Judas” for the rest of his political life and any future offices he hopes to run for will involve “Judas.” His only bet would be for a dem president to appoint him as head of something or secretary of something. lol

  116. when hillary is president on January 20, 2009, I want her to, of course, do all the things she’s been talking about, but also start cleaning house in the DNC.

    Replace Dean ASAP with Terry McCauliffe, or maybe make Bill take up that job 😀 Bill’s a great fundraiser, strategist, etc. Then, Start scouting new democrats to replace people like Kennedy, Kerry, and that incompetent Pelosi.

  117. Hillary4Texas, i know, i would loved to have been there to see him start that sing along, maybe he was pissed and thought he was still propping up the bar downtown somewhere and that picture, someone needs to tell Casey, that swirly thing trying to cover his bald spot is so not attractive.

  118. i want the women of Massachusetts to rise up and elect two democratic women to replace Kennedy and Kerry. Two competent, experienced, commanding, and charismatic women!

  119. MJS,

    This quote;
    ‘I bet we can even make some monkey comparisons between Bambam and that infamous bush-like chimp.’

    After the delegate incident in which she was fired from his campaign, it’s not a good idea to go there.

    TTTT, it wouldn’t be a good idea to go there even if the delegate incident hadn’t happened.

  120. wow Kennedy is all about himself! the mayor of york was about to cry, and Kennedy says, when can I speak?

  121. ok so…

    ppl can call hillary a bitch in a public rally, they can make jokes about broomsticks, call her a hag, and the likes and just get a snigger.

    ppl can call Bush an ape, a donkey, a retard, a cokehead, and just get a laugh.

    ppl can call McCain decrepit, old, ancient, etc, and just get a shrug.

    I can call Kerry a horse-face and most ppl would agree…

    and yet Bambi cannot be called anything? UGH. This sucks.

  122. sounds like a story could be brewing on obama beign arested-but who knows and ive enevr heard fo that guy. id love it though-another peie of the puzle. id love to see that one drop in a week

  123. Kennedy is full of s***. what a pile of doo doo. bO is not on the floor of the senate fighting for people. He is out campaigning and not holding meetings. what a joke.

  124. Because, MJS, there is a fricken racial history there. I mean, come on, it’s not hard to figure out why that is inappropriate.

  125. actually there is a NewWorldOrder(tm) that you must kiss his ass at every turn.

    Really, I see MJS question . The media has framed the campaign that way.

    No one is allowed to question anything about him.

    So is that arrest thing real????

  126. MJS, ridiculing African Americans as “monkeys” has a negative historical context that ought to be avoided. It doesn’t make you a racist if you use it, but it does make you a better and more sensitive person if you realize that, and avoid it.

    Kids climbing in a tree? Fine, in that situation there was a reason for the comparison. In other situations it can be seen as insulting, though, if used for no real reason.

  127. it has been what 4 days since that story broke though. could the campaign have astroturfed it that quickly?

    Occidental .. did he go there to school?

  128. BTW, feel free to call him a prick, an ass, a bastard, a mofo, and anything else you want. But yeah, “monkey” used as a descriptive of an AA man is offensive.

    NOT BECAUSE it might be offensive to Obama – I could care less if he is insulted, the jerkwad. Avoid it for the sake of our AA friends and neighbors.

  129. Does anyone think that BO could even get a security clearance? Maybe, he has one, because he is a senator.

  130. well can I feel free right now to call him an a one prick for his despicable treatment of Hillary.

    `1. The refusal at the speech to shake her hand.

    2. The look down of her at the debate.

    3. You’re likeable enough.

    4. Taking teas

    5. I’ll brush the dirt off my coat along with giving her the finger.

    6. I have respect for her service as a Senator .. (not one mention of respecting her service as first lady of America or of Arkansas or just general respect .. Hillary has said several times he is a fine man .. he refuses to give her any respect

    Just six reasons I can clik off that makes him a prick .. six reasons I’d never cast a vote in his block .. EVER

  131. wouldn’t a security clearance be guaranteed and shouldn’t he already have one as a Senator .. he is after all supposed to be having hearing on some committee

  132. Obama with those ears just looks like a taxicab driving down 5th Avenue with both doors wide open

  133. Kenya needs Obama More than we do or he could get a job at Oscar Myers as their official Whiener.

    That says it all for me. ABM90

  134. Checking the papal departure ceremony and i think HRC is there. ‘ Cheney (i know – ugh) thanked Senator Clinton for attending along with a couple of others . . .

    I hope she is there.

  135. Watched the Youtube about the arrest, as student at Occidental College in CA. What caught my eye to the right was the video featuring Obama as College Pres(?) stating intent to be POTUS. Hundreds of thousands of hits on it. Has anyone else seen this video? Talk about an agenda for the past two + decades. No wonder he planted himself in the Southside of Chicago for backing. Talks about legalizing marijuana way back there. This BHO, is determined to be the next Malcolm X. Check it out.

  136. I so hope this arrest thing is true. Not that it is so bad to be arrested .. I’ve been there done that. But it’s the holier than though attitude he’s presented .. and the fact that he wouldn’t have disclosed that after ripping Hillary for everything in her life .. down to “baking cookies”

  137. Guess the Occidental Video is a fake like everything else to do with BHO. Preety funny, however. Arreset is probably true. What’s up with Sinclair these days and the murdered choir director from TUCC?

  138. Why I’m so touched by the pope’s visit even though I’m not Christian:
    What a CONTRAST to Jeremiah Wright! William Ayers! Louis Farrakhan!
    He ends his speech with God Bless America. He spoke poignantly about the tragedy of 911. He went to the WTC site and blessed the area. He did all those things with emotion, love, compassion, sincerity.
    Plus, I’d like to look like him when I’m 81! Face as unlined as a baby’s!

    What a warm, genuine human being. Watch him and then think about the hate-laced, bitter, militant speech of Wright, MO, Ayers – who said he’d wished he’d caused more damage during the bombings of the Pentagon, the NYC police station the day after 911.

  139. the stark contrast between the Pope and Rev J.Wright is like the difference between Hillary and Bobama.

  140. North American leaders to meet for summit of under-fire NAFTA
    7 hours ago

    NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AFP) — The leaders of Canada, Mexico and the United States meet here Monday for the annual summit of the North American Free Trade Agreement, amid sharp criticism of the pact in the US presidential race.

    As US President George W. Bush meets with his Mexican counterpart, Felipe Calderon, and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in New Orleans, US workers’ unions and the Democratic White House hopefuls have lambasted NAFTA.

    Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who are battling for the Democratic nomination, have warned that they are willing to re-negotiate parts of the agreement if elected president in November.

    NAFTA, which aims to eliminate tariffs on products traded between the three countries, came into effect on January 1, 1994 under Clinton’s husband, then-president Bill Clinton.

    The trade pact has been a frequent target of labor union charges that it has helped bleed the United States of manufacturing jobs.

    “The leaders will probably use the event to underscore the importance of NAFTA at a time when the agreement is coming under fire from the Democratic candidates in the primary race,” said Peter DeShazo at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

    Dan Fisk, the US National Security Council’s senior director for the Western Hemisphere, defended NAFTA.

    US officials “are aware that some of the statements that have been made (by Clinton and Obama) have made actually bigger headlines in Canada and Mexico than they have here,” Fisk said.

    “We think NAFTA works,” Fisk added. “We think the record of its past 14 years shows that it works. There’s nothing broken. Why fix a success?”

    Canada is the main US trade partner, and Mexico is its third, Fisk said.

    “In terms of three-way trade, as of last year, it was 930 billion dollars,” he said.

    “That comes to about 2.5 billion dollars in trade in goods and services on a daily basis. We expect that number to reach the one-trillion-dollar mark by the end of this year.”

    Trade with Canada and Mexico “is 30 percent of the total global trade of the United States,” said Fisk.

    DeShazo said the leaders will probably “also use the occasion to express support for regional free trade, including the US-Colombia trade agreement pending ratification,” he said.

    Colombia signed the trade pact with the United States, but it is stuck in the US Congress, whose Democratic majority has demanded that President Alvaro Uribe improve union protection and investigate links between government officials and far-right paramilitaries.

    Bush on Saturday urged US congressional leaders to reconsider their opposition to the Colombia trade deal, arguing that there is “a strategic imperative” to approving the measure.

    “By obstructing this agreement, Congress is signaling to a watching hemisphere that America cannot be trusted to support its friends,” Bush said in his weekly radio address.

    On the margins of the main event the three leaders will also likely discuss issues including intellectual property and the safety of trans-border commerce. Immigration may also be on the table, Fisk said.

    Bush and Calderon are scheduled Monday to inaugurate a new Mexican consulate in New Orleans, a city still recovering from the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

    The population of Mexicans in the state of Louisiana, where New Orleans is located, is currently around 83,000 — a 55 percent increase in the last two years, largely due to the flow of Mexican laborers helping rebuild the city.

    Bush and Calderon may also discuss details of 1.4 billion dollars in US aid for the Merida Initiative, a plan to battle drug trafficking in Mexico and Central America.
    afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g3vSU6R6tUUe8pGOaqbCdHlF4rbA

  141. PRO-OBAMA WEB SITES TRAFFIC DOWN:

    allspinzone.com/wp/2008/04/01/candidate-war-impact-on-progressive-blogs/

    Excerpt:

    A quick review of the graphics below tell a surprising tale: traffic is down significantly on the pro-Obama sites (30% or more over the past month), but about level on the pro-Clinton and “neutral” sites. What does this mean? I have no friggin’ idea. But the trends are clear and appear to be statistically significant.

  142. o God. I just realized. I might be going to the U. of Chicago for undergrad.

    what if I bump into Obama’s pal Ayers? lol

  143. I’m not surprised by that rgb!

    Many of us here have said that Obama is like a fad .. it’ll pass and be sitting on the shelf like last years toy.

  144. Relating the pope’s visit to HRC – just an intuition –
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Scroll past if you don’t like non-rational analysis . . .
    This has HELPED her. there are a lot of Catholics in PA. There are a lot of Christians in PA. If ‘clinging” to your religion is worng, if ‘clinging’ to the Pope is wrong, those people don’t want to be WRIGHT!
    Again, i say this as am impartial person, but the power of this man is astounding, and I have a hunch that his visit has brought into focus the Jeremiah Wright/Ayers/ Farrakhan ‘God Damn America’ Platform even more starkly than before.

  145. lol dot. i would hope so. *crosses fingers*

    it would be weird if he became my english teacher or sumthn lol

  146. MJS,

    He11!!!!!!

    We’re not even allowed to say his middle name! But that backfired on him big time. leave out the “H” and whaddayaget??????

    BO! 👿

  147. Basil9, LOL. I would have to agree. He has just about the work name and initials for politics.

    in one sense, it would sound like a mix between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin laden. lol

    And on the other hand, if you use his two initials, you’d get Body Odor.

    😀

  148. Geraldo!

    Send him some LOOOOOVE – he just said he’s getting a VIBE the same way he had before Ohio and texas that HRC is going to win HUGE!!!!!!!
    HOOORAYYYYY!!!!!!
    Major Garrett echoing that. Says Philly is the place to watch coz they registered 173,ooo registered.
    Geraldo, but the hunters, the bowlers, the beer drinkers, the Catholics are all gonna go for HRC. hahahahahaha
    Geraldo PREDICTS HRC by 10+ in PA!!!!!!!!

  149. curiosity,

    OMG,

    ‘What’s up with Sinclair these days and the murdered choir director from TUCC?’

    As an ex-choir director myself . . . . *LOL*

  150. personally, I’m hoping Hillary takes PA by around 18-20% just to shut up Donna Brazile and to get a huge swing of Super D’s.

  151. Obama registered 173k in Philly or combined they registered 173k? Isn’t it possible some of those will vote for Hill?

  152. MJS,
    Dunno – was lighting the candle as Geraldo was speaking so not sure – think Garret said Ozomba registered 173,000 new voters in Philly . . . e.

    All,
    Geraldo seems struck by the same intuitive thing as me tonight . . . . something about the Pope’s visit, his vibe, his energy, his stark contrast with the 👿

    Call me superstitious . . .

  153. Lighting my Lemon Chiffon Yankee Candle for Hillary / Positive / Thoughts – Where’s my book “Secrets”? I’m going to ‘think’ this thing until it happens, folks. Between invigoration and validation on the need for love of humanity from the words of Pope Benedict, and his “God Bless America”, it is IMPERATIVE that we channel all positive mental porces into creating a country under the leadership of Hillary Clinton. Smell the lemon chiffon……………

  154. HRT..He’s the Cabbage Patch candidate. LOL
    lmao..

    MJS Says:

    April 20th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
    lol dot. i would hope so. *crosses fingers*
    it would be weird if he became my english teacher or sumthn lol
    omg…hed be your anitayers teacher..lol..wear your hill hats and shirts in class/lmao

  155. Lit my candle. Rove thinks Hillary will win by high single digits. Rove also thinks BO is arrogant. LOL.

  156. lol CJ.

    I hope Hillary can pull a stunner in Philadelphia.

    Guys, pray for Philadelphia especially! If Hillary can keep it close/knock him out there, she will have won the state!

  157. From another board:

    Non-stop news coverage, lots of ads, both from the candidates and third-party organizations, the voter registration has zoomed, especially for Democrats. My niece’s college is letting all the kids go out and canvas, take people to the polls etc on Tuesday. I haven’t lived in Philly for a long time, but don’t remember a primary ever being this important, or dividing the Dems so histrionically. Of course, never has the PA primary been this important.

  158. I have tuned off the TV, and any other information besides hillaryclinton.com and hillaryis44.org. It is obvious that they interfer with staying focused. The TV commentators and Huffington Press are hell bent on swaying this vote. I think a lot of the American people are turning them off. I know I was an avid radio listenor to Air American, but no more. I also used to watch a number of commentators, but no more. They are not fair and balanced, and I will not let them rile me up. I signed up for the rapid responder, and I read and take action for them as best I can.

    I personally have been praying the last week. She is not perfect, which she totally admits, but she is one intellegent, hardworking, gutsy lady. She has her information down straight. She does not need a staff in the room helping her (obviously Obama Does). I did not really watch the last debate, but only snatches. I thought the networks would spin it for him regardless. However, reading the blogs here, I saw that the focus groups which included college groups turned for her.

    Then the attack on the network. I could not beleive it. Stephenopolis the next day was spinning it Obama’s way. Then the attack. I can only conclude that there were many focus groups that did not go well for his during this debate.

    As you all have pointed out, he should have been prepared for 99% of those subjects. So why was he hemming and hawing around. I think Philiadelphia saw him first hand, and did not like it. So the attack on the media (his friends), and now the attacks on Hillary began.

    Looks like he is in defensive mode big time.

    we need to stay focused, and take each state as they come. I am going to try to go to Denver. The people who are blogging here need to think about this. We might have the biggest fight of this country outside that convention hall in Denver. She will need our support there. I will never forgive myself for not going to Florida, and protesting. We can not allow our votes, and MI and FL to be stolen again. She has fought too hard for us. We need to fight for her next week, and in Denver.

  159. from maggie:

    Dear ,

    Hillary needs your help. With just two days left until the Pennsylvania primary and races across the country following soon after, it’s an all-hands-on deck moment for our campaign.

    We need as many volunteers as we can get on the phones calling voters in Pennsylvania and other upcoming primary states. The calls you make are critical to our success on Tuesday in this historic campaign. I can’t emphasize enough what a difference it makes to have Hillary’s best supporters — people just like you — making calls and speaking directly with voters. To put it as simply as I can, more calls equal more votes.

    Even if you can only spare a couple of hours, you can have a big impact. The Pennsylvania primary is almost upon us, and Hillary needs you.

    Because you have been such an effective volunteer for our campaign, we would like to invite you to use our special calling system, Activate. We give you a script, and our automated calling system makes the calls for you.

    Sign up for a shift to make calls and help Hillary win.

    I really appreciate everything that our volunteers do to help Hillary and the campaign. Thank you so much for caring about the future of our country.

    Sincerely,

    Maggie Williams

  160. Hillary needs a win in Indiana after PA.

    She just needs to keep the margin as close as possible in NC, but if possible, try to surprise Bam Bam there as well.

  161. I agree MJS. I think Indiana now becomes the big get for her. We need to get armed.

    Who has the media outlets .. basil9 and others. Those armed with editorial letters.

    We need to face Indiana just like we did Pa.

    Organize, get out the vote, blog, call, donate, pray, whatever we can do to “talk her up”

    The letters to the newspapers I think in Indiana .. lets get the superdelegates back on track for more appeals ..

    Time to roll up our sleeves for Indiana

  162. Let’s hit this guy with lots of emails/letters to the editors. Distributed by the responders…

    Wilson Times (NC): Obama offers real change

    Excerpts:

    North Carolina Democrats’ choice of a presidential nominee could be a landmark moment. With Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama locked in a marathon struggle for the party’s nomination, North Carolina’s 115 primary delegates could swing the election.

    http://www.wilsondaily.com/Opinion/Editorials/Story/Obama-offers-real-change–

    Write Letter to the Editor here – editor@wilsontimes.com and here – tarleton@wilsontimes.com (Hal Tarleton – Opinion Editor)

  163. I was feeling guilty for just reading pro-Hill sites, cause that isn’t pro-active enough. I’m going to do something for Hillary every day. Joining Hillary Rapid Responders is great. The only drawback is that I have to read all those negative pieces. And I’ve been donating regularly since Iowa. Will donate again tomorrow.

  164. A while back someone posted a list of all the things Hill has achieved. I need that list for rebuttals. I can’t wait to GOTV here in P.R.

  165. mjs: tenacious, tough, strong, experienced (senate experience, first lady, women rights, veteran benefits, has visited Iraq at least 3 times,children rights, child healthcare), compassionate, empathetic, brilliant, hard worker, energetic, patriotic (she loves this country), expert, competent, ready on day one.

  166. disciplined, knowledgeable about the isssue, she knows them inside and out, articulate, diplomatic, she has her own mind, able to cross party lines to get legislature passed, won her last senate race by 60-40 margin, focused.

  167. I want to find out if Danica Patrick is a Hillary supporter. If she is Hill should see if she could get her to make a few appearances with her in Indy and NC. That would be a nice pairing…Danica just made history by being the first female driver to win an Indycar race.

    Campaign, if you are watching, give Danica a call!

  168. Obama supporters slash Berks County democratic Committeeman’s tires for remaining neutral in PA primary, now for Hillary.

    abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/Story?id=4692076&page=2

  169. rjk1957, we should apologize to the Berks County democratic committeeman for this to happen

  170. wow this is pathetic

    Reading Mayor Tom McMahon, an avid Obama supporter, was caught today trying to have city workers steal the large Hillary sign outside 645 Penn Street. The 4 x 8 foot sign was on private property belonging to the company which owns the building. Fortunately a Hillary staffer caught him and saved the $500 sign.

    The actions by local Obama supporter are completely crazy. Between slashed tires, bogus complaints, defamatory emails and stolen signs people are afraid of these lunatics and worried by what they are capable of doing. Obama volunteers have been observed screaming at undecided voters outside their headquarters office.

    Update: The Mayor denies having anything whatsoever to do with City employees suddenly claiming the space where a year ago it was OK for his sign to stand is now City property (it isn’t). Sure, and I’m a turnip that just fell off the truck. He said I should call him nest time. Want to know why I didn’t file a police report after the tire slashing? I figured it would be a waste of time. Where were the phone calls from those Obama supporters claiming I was being paid to blog for Hillary? You can’t change a street from one way to two way because it suits you.

  171. rjk: why? how were they able to shut down a website??

    mjs: Hillary is my heroine. She inspires me, to be better and stronger than I am.

  172. April 14, 2008
    Mayor Caught Stealing Hillary Sign

    Reading Mayor Tom McMahon, an avid Obama supporter, was caught today trying to have city workers steal the large Hillary sign outside 645 Penn Street. The 4 x 8 foot sign was on private property belonging to the company which owns the building. Fortunately a Hillary staffer caught him and saved the $500 sign.

    The actions by local Obama supporter are completely crazy. Between slashed tires, bogus complaints, defamatory emails and stolen signs people are afraid of these lunatics and worried by what they are capable of doing. Obama volunteers have been observed screaming at undecided voters outside their headquarters office.

    Update: The Mayor denies having anything whatsoever to do with City employees suddenly claiming the space where a year ago it was OK for his sign to stand is now City property (it isn’t). Sure, and I’m a turnip that just fell off the truck. He said I should call him nest time. Want to know why I didn’t file a police report after the tire slashing? I figured it would be a waste of time. Where were the phone calls from those Obama supporters claiming I was being paid to blog for Hillary? You can’t change a street from one way to two way because it suits you.

  173. The link does not say only that there were legal issues concerning copyright infringements. My guess is they are suing him for copying text from Obama’s website???

  174. yup – exactly, tendency for BO followers toward intimidation, mischief- same pattern everywhere…oh yeah and death threats.

    *****
    excerpt from RJK’s first article post:

    Democrats’ Pennsylvania Brawl Intensifies

    “This has gotten so bad this year, I’m not sure people can forget about it and put it behind themselves after Tuesday,” said Joe Morgan, a Democratic committeeman for Berks County.

    He said the supporters are worse than the candidates when it comes to vindictive attacks.

    “The bitterness and anger they have toward people who are not supporting their candidate is something I have never seen before,” he said.

    Morgan has been writing his own blog on the race, so at first he decided to remain neutral. He said Obama fans in particular were incensed with him for doing so. His tires were slashed and a complaint was lodged with the Internet service provider for his blog. Morgan is now supporting Clinton.

  175. Off topic but HBO is going to be running a movie, Recount, on the 2000 election and the vote counting in Florida. Not bad timing considering that will be right before Dean’s delegates are supposed to meet in June. There is a line said by one of the characters in the HBO ad that talks about “all votes counting”. Makes me smile every time I hear it…

    BTW, if any of you have been watching the John Adams mini-series it has been outstanding. I read that producer Tom Hanks has tried to say Obama is like John Adams…he’s got to be kidding….

  176. Emmy (formerly known as emkay) Says:
    April 20th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
    Joining Hillary Rapid Responders is great. The only drawback is that I have to read all those negative pieces.

    You don’t have to read every word of the articles. You can just go to the comment string and look for some positive comments and agree with them, add more detail, etc.

    Another great project is commenting in local papers/online sites. Many people trust them more than MSM tv etc. There’s a list of site important for PA at h t t p : / / ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm#PAhighpriority

  177. Texas – lots of Clinton signs stolen or vandalized by Obama followers- there was a large one in front of our satellite office and someone saw a city worker take it down.

    Where is this article from? hilarious that the town mayor is involved?

    “Reading Mayor Tom McMahon, an avid Obama supporter, was caught today trying to have city workers steal the large Hillary sign outside 645 Penn Street. The 4 x 8 foot sign was on private property belonging to the company which owns the building. Fortunately a Hillary staffer caught him and saved the $500 sign.”

  178. dot48 Says:
    April 20th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    I think Indiana now becomes the big get for her. We need to get armed.
    Who has the media outlets .. basil9 and others. Those armed with editorial letters.

    Here are local papers in Indiana that take online comments:
    h t t p : / / ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm#Indiana

  179. AmericanGal Says:
    April 20th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    Off topic but HBO is going to be running a movie, Recount, on the 2000 election and the vote counting in Florida. Not bad timing considering that will be right before Dean’s delegates are supposed to meet in June. There is a line said by one of the characters in the HBO ad that talks about “all votes counting”. Makes me smile every time I hear it…

    BTW, if any of you have been watching the John Adams mini-series it has been outstanding. I read that producer Tom Hanks has tried to say Obama is like John Adams…he’s got to be kidding…
    ******************************
    I have been watching John adams…..final episode is on now here at our house 🙂 and i can’t wait for Recount in may!! yes what great timing!!

  180. over at http://www.taylormarsh.com (the comments)

    BUT look how BADLY the DNC is doing compared to RNC in fundraising in March
    KARMA BABY
    Reap the whirlwind Gov. Dean!!
    they need to resolve MI and FL if they want to pay for the convention!!

    March Funds raised/available

    DNC $5,988,279.13
    RNC $15,366,745.54

  181. In the last week or so, I have gone from not being fond of Barack Obama to really beginning to come to dislike him, personally. Before, I just did not like his campaign and many of those close to him, but now I am starting to really dislike him as a person.

    He’s arrogant, he’s a jerk, he seems to be comfortable with flipping people off he’s running against, and he has fully bought into the hype which the media and his cultish followers have both propagated and consumed.

    It is in that vein that I make the following announcement:

    I have made a few changes over at my website, VillarrealSports.com, adding a new section dedicated to just news and politics, complete with a forum for each. This is a change from having both topics subsumed underneath the “General Off-Topic” forum.

    Also, I wanted to let people know that my brother (the owner of the site) and I are going to be holding a contest for the best post in the following thread:

    “What is the worst thing about Barack Obama?”

    We’re not sure exactly how we’re going to judge which is the best post, but the judgment will be based on who provides the best rationale for why they find Barack Obama unacceptable as either the Democratic nominee for President or else as a general election choice as President vis-a-vis John McCain.

    The period of time will be the best post over a period of one month starting on the date which we receive the first submission.

    The winner of the contest will receive either a free T-shirt or hat, depending upon which item my brother and I decide to have made. The gear will be official “ABC” [Anti-Barack Coalition] merchandise, and will feature one of a series of phrases and/or imagery we are settling on to have placed on a run of T-shirts or hats.

    Believe me, if you have as much disgust and repulsion at the bareness and cynicism of Barack Obama and his Democratic nomination campaign — and I know that just about everyone here at Hillaryis44.org does — you will be proud to wear whichever of the slogans and imagery we decide on (with your help via feedback). The merchandise you receive for winning the contest will be part of a run which we will be making to fill the demand for millions of other voters — both Democrats and Republicans alike — who are similarly fed-up with being bullied by many Obama supporters and who have been told by the media that any criticism of Barack Obama is off-limits.

    And that brings me to my final point. When you come and visit our site, let us know your own ideas for what YOU think would make a good piece of “ABC” merchandise. Would you prefer a hat or a T-shirt to wear? What would the item show, and what would it say?

    We need your feedback in order to create the product or products which you want to wear to show your disapproval with the candidacy of Barack Obama.

    Look forward to seeing you on our site, and listening to your feedback, both about what you personally find most objectionable about Obama’s campaign and associations as well as what you think would make a good T-shirt or hat slogan and image.

    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” — VillarrealSports.com

  182. rjk1957 Says:
    April 20th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    There are some Hillary supporters in PA, who although clinging to their guns are willing to share their bullets with Obamatrons trespassing on their property

    HA ha ha ha!! good one!! 😀

  183. The punk is way out of line and needs a smack.
    Tuesday he’ll get one, but he deserves many more;

    “On the other hand, what I also disagree with is a habit of American presidents which is every president in their last year, they finally decide, we’re going to try to broker a peace deal,” Obama added. “Bill Clinton did it in his last year and he ran out of time. George Bush tried to do it.”

    The peace conference launched in Annapolis, Maryland, in November marked a shift for Republican Bush, who previously had avoided a hands-on role in Middle East peace negotiations.

    Democrat Bill Clinton’s attempts at Middle East peace included the summit he hosted at the Wye River near Washington in 1998. In 2000, his final year in office, he invited Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian President Yasser Arafat to Camp David for a summit to resolve disputes but the talks ended in crisis.

    Obama said the Annapolis process has initiated some useful discussions but, “why didn’t they start at the beginning of the term instead of at the end of the term?”

    “I think that we do have to move forward on active diplomacy and I do believe that diplomacy has to involve all the Arab states in the region,” he said.

    Although he disagreed with Carter’s decision to meet Hamas, Obama credited the former president, a Democrat, with achieving “significant progress” on the peace effort during his time in the White House. Carter hosted talks at Camp David that led to the signing of a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt in 1979.

  184. blue democrat, I believe Clinton did try for years, but he can’t control what’s happening in Isreal/Palastine, screw Obama for stating this. That’s like saying, why didn’t you change church over 20 years ago instead of suddenly realizing his own pastor said all these hateful things.

  185. In the last week or so, I have gone from not being fond of Barack Obama to really beginning to come to dislike him, personally. Before, I just did not like his campaign and many of those close to him, but now I am starting to really dislike him as a person.

    He’s arrogant, he’s a jerk, he seems to be comfortable with flipping people off he’s running against, and he has fully bought into the hype which the media and his cultish followers have both propagated and consumed.

    It is in that vein that I make the following announcement:

    I have made a few changes over at my website, http://www.villarrealsports.com/, adding a new section dedicated to just news and politics, complete with a forum for each. This is a change from having both topics subsumed underneath the “General Off-Topic” forum.

    Also, I wanted to let people know that my brother (the owner of the site) and I are going to be holding a contest for the best post in the following thread:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=399
    “What is the worst thing about Barack Obama (as a presidential candidate)”?

    We’re not sure exactly how we’re going to judge which is the best post, but the judgment will be based on who provides the best rationale for why they find Barack Obama unacceptable as either the Democratic nominee for President or else as a general election choice as President vis-a-vis John McCain.

    The period of time will be the best post over a period of one month starting on the date which we receive the first submission.

    The winner of the contest will receive either a free T-shirt or hat, depending upon which item my brother and I decide to have made. The gear will be official “ABC” [Anti-Barack Coalition] merchandise, and will feature one of a series of phrases and/or imagery we are settling on to have placed on a run of T-shirts or hats.

    Believe me, if you have as much disgust and repulsion at the bareness and cynicism of Barack Obama and his Democratic nomination campaign — and I know that just about everyone here at Hillaryis44.org does — you will be proud to wear whichever of the slogans and imagery we decide on (with your help via feedback). The merchandise you receive for winning the contest will be part of a run which we will be making to fill the demand for millions of other voters — both Democrats and Republicans alike — who are similarly fed-up with being bullied by many Obama supporters and who have been told by the media that any criticism of Barack Obama is off-limits.

    And that brings me to my final point. When you come and visit our site, let us know your own ideas for what YOU think would make a good piece of “ABC” merchandise. Would you prefer a hat or a T-shirt to wear? What would the item show, and what would it say?

    We need your feedback in order to create the product or products which you want to wear to show your disapproval with the candidacy of Barack Obama.

    Look forward to seeing you on our site, and listening to your feedback, both about what you personally find most objectionable about Obama’s campaign and associations as well as what you think would make a good T-shirt or hat slogan and image.

    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” — VillarrealSports.com

  186. A question on the money bomb tomorrow, should I go to Hillary Clinton.com or will you have a contribution button on the 44?

  187. so now, I wonder why he is starting to say he is the one to make peace in the middle east? Not a good idea for him to advertise this, since alot of people think he is the antichrist. That’s exactly what the antichrist will do!!

  188. lmao! I came across this exchange between a hillary supporter and an obama supporter online:

    obama supproter: hillary will NOT be winning the nomination in 2008.

    hillary supporter: obviously. They were stupid enough to vote for Bush in 2004, they’re stupid enough to vote for Obama in 2008.

    LMAO!

  189. “I don’t see any contradiction at all. . . . He can be elected; I will be elected,” Clinton said today in an interview with The Inquirer at the Bonnet Lane Family Restaurant in Abington.

    “I have carried the states that a Democrat must carry in order to win in November,” Clinton said. “If you look at the electoral map, anything is possible, but it is more likely that the coalition I have put together is the winning coalition.”

    Obama has a formidable lead in delegates but has struggled in some states to win over white working-class voters and Catholics, key swing voters who some strategists believe are crucial to victory in the general election for the White House. Her campaign was on the verge of elimination after 11 losses last month before she won popular-vote victories in Ohio and Texas based on her advantage with the working class.

    She has been leading in the state polls since the beginning of the seven-week fight for Pennsylvania, but her advantage has shrunk dramatically in many polls in the days before tomorrow’s primary. Clinton is hoping an impressive victory here – where the demographics are favorable to her candidacy – will buttress the electability argument with superdelegates and propel her in May 6 primaries in Indiana and North Carolina.

    The race has turned nastier in its last hours. On Saturday, and continuing today, Obama blasted Clinton as a “do anything” practitioner of “slash and burn” politics while at the same time pushing his core message that he can unite people to fix the system.

    Obama’s campaign has also attacked Clinton’s health-care plan with TV ads and sent out mailers and automated phone calls blasting her on trade and other issues.

    “I think he’s doing what candidates do when they get desperate at the end of an election,” Clinton said in the interview. “He is now undermining his message. He has spent all this time crossing Pennsylvania talking about how he runs a positive campaign, except when he gets pressed, and he starts throwing . . . the ‘kitchen sink’ at me.”

    Clinton called Obama’s approach “very reminiscent of the ‘old’ politics” that he has critiqued.

  190. Not to change the subject (Hillary Losing), I was wondering who would be a great VP for her when she wins the nomination? Surely Sheila Jackson Lee has done such a wonderful job defending our girl, she should be somewhere in the cabinet! I was thinking that Ford guy would be good, he’s from Tennessee! Arkansas and Tennessee once made a beautiful combo for eight years! Why not again?

  191. btw, the bambi-bots have REALLY scrubbed the net. I tried looking for that picture where the pakistanis were burning efigees of Obama, Bush, and Tancredo, but the picture is no where to be found!

  192. hillbillylover, they are all good, I also like Wes Clark as I saw him in Waco with Hillary! I mainly wanted to change the subject to positive! She will win Pennsylvania and win it big, as she will the rest of the states. The DNC will have to do something with Florida and Michigan soon bc the protests are only going to grow!!

  193. 2-3 years ago, President Clinton said Hillary and Wesley Clark were the two superstars of the Democratic party.
    Until I hear differently, I must assume, as I have ever since, that Clark would be VP.

    Few may remember this, but after a somewhat awkward start to his presidential bid in 2004, Clark ran into many of the same obstacles (from the very same people) that Hill has.

    Blanket negativity, minimization, and just enough distortion and smearing to finish him once he was already hurt.

    It was said that it was Clark Bush & Co. feared running against most, which likely had something to do with the treatment he received.

  194. It would so suck to be Howie right now. He knows they backed the wrong horse, now they have to figure out how they are going to raise money for a losing cause…tsk tsk.

    I guess Hillary will have ride in on her white horse and save the day!

  195. Wesley Clark was railroaded like Hillary is being fought against by the democratic elite. When all is said and done, i want Hillary, Bill, and Wes Clark to kick them out for the sake of the party and form a better democratic one.

  196. Oh yeah, I want this too. Hillary,Bill and Wes Clark. I had no idea that is what happened to Wes Clark.I guess they wanted to run their loser against Bush! They really know how to pick them!

  197. I heard tonight that McCain has only raised 15 mil, but what about the RNC, I hear they are loaded, is that right?

  198. I’m scared…I’ve been finding Coulter amusing lately. I guess the enemy of my enemy is my friend:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20080417/cm_ucac/obamawoosguntotinggodnuts;_ylt=A0WTUcNYEgxIhXMBKC0__8QF

  199. That’s what I have heard, she as 30 mil saved for the general. As soon as she has the nomination, money will flow in like a spring!

  200. anyways, good night guys. I feel Pennsylvannia will be a GREAT surprise for all of us and afterwards, we will eek out in NC and win handily in Indiana. So long as all of HRC’s supporters work hard to do it! I have faith in everyone! especially, Hill, Bill, and Chels 🙂

  201. djia, those were some cool bunnies! I remember well that pic of John Kerry! He was a sunk duck after that photo!

  202. Candles, prayer, and channeling all of our collective positive energies throughout the vast universe causing our vision to become a reality. Action = reaction. My focal point is propped up at a strategic point: “Living History,” Hillary’s autobiography. I will continue to stare at her eyes on the cover and see her being sworn in as the first female President of the United States of America. Let’s all connect our razor sharp positive energy, visually seeing Hillary as President…..and it shall be. “Secrets.”

  203. from TM

    Hey everyone! Piper here with an update on what’s happening in Philly.

    The ‘Hillidarity’ event on Saturday night was a big success. We had about 40 Hillary supporters mingling at the Sole Food restaurant at the Loews Hotel. Fellow Marshans Tim, JJ, Marc1a and bluesky were there too. In contrast, there were three people wearing Obama shirts in the restaurant.

    From there, we did a mini-Hillary pub crawl, starting at the Standard Pub, where Hillfans took over the 2nd floor bar, and ending at a hot salsa club in the city’s Latin district, where we took over the mic and got down on the dance floor. Some of us were working the vote until 2:30 am!

    Today, there were several Hillary visibility events where supporters held signs and chanted for oncoming traffic. I attended one at Temple University, where I shook my sign and my moneymaker on Broad Street for Hill. We had two street corners and one block of the street covered with Hillary supporters. On the other side of the street, there was an impromptu group of approximately 10-15 Obama supporters.

    The day ended with a group of 50 converged onto the University of Pennsylvania to march, chant, and show our support for Hillary. It was here where Tim, me, and 25 other Hill supporters jammed the live audience of Rick Sanchez’s show ‘Rick on the Road’ on CNN. Again, we greatly outnumbered Obama supporters.

    So while Obama is heavily favored to win Philadelphia, I haven’t seen much organized support for him here.

    We also learned today that Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea will have a rally at UPenn tomorrow night at 8:00 pm, so they aren’t conceding Philly either.

    I’ll be back tomorrow for another update. Please don’t forget about the petition to seat Florida and Michigan delegates. Please help make my vote for Hillary count!

  204. T4H, that’s an awesome title. Apropos- “The Pretender.”

    I think we ought to dig up Admin’s youtube jukebox from this Summer again. :mrgreen:

  205. hi hillfans. home from work. i see some new pa polls are showing hillary inching ahead in pa. hope the undecideds break heavily towards out girl.

  206. terrondt

    Throwing some salt over my shoulder as I am typing this, but as we inch closer to the polls opening I am getting very good feelings about PA and the size of Hillary’s victory…

  207. ZOGBY NEW POLLING DATA..

    WOW WOW WOW

    A big one-day of polling for Clinton. If a 10-point victory is the pundit-driven threshold she needs on Tuesday, it looks like she can do it. This does not look like a one-day anomaly—undecideds dropped to only 5% in this latest single day of polling, and they are breaking Clinton’s way. As I suggested yesterday, if white and Catholic voters, who still are the biggest portion of undecideds, actually vote, Clinton will have her double-digit victory. Just today alone, she polled 53% to Obama’s 38%.

    “She had big pickups of support in the western region, among voters 50-65, and among women. She has tightened Obama’s lead among men and she maintains her Catholic base. For the first time in our poll, Clinton climbs into double digits among African Americans.”

  208. RJK1957, zogby commented this may end up a 10-point win by hillary. arg, strategic vision, and mason dixon are showing a trend. rumor has it survey usa is about to publish a pa poll monday. i going to make some calls to pa monday before work. GET THAT MOJO GOING FOR HILLARY!!

  209. new poll out-hillary up 10 and surging
    Poll shows Clinton pulling away from Obama
    By Ralph Z. Hallow
    April 21, 2008
    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is pulling away from her rival Sen. Barack Obama in a poll of likely voters in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania Democratic presidential primary, a poll completed late Sunday shows.

    Mrs. Clinton of New York leads Mr. Obama of Illinois by 10 percentage points – the largest lead between the two candidates in any poll in Pennsylvania in the past week. The poll was conducted by David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center.

    When asked whom they would vote for in November if their candidate – Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama – isn’t the Democratic nominee, 20 percent of likely Pennsylvania Democratic primary voters in the poll said they would vote for Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee. Four percent said they would vote for third party candidate Ralph Nader, the poll shows.

    Pennsylvania is considered crucial for Mrs. Clinton, who is struggling to remain viable despite trailing Mr. Obama in both delegates and the popular vote so far in the longest Democratic presidential primary contest in the memory of many of today’s voters.

    Mrs. Clinton has been leading by as little as three points and as many as six points in the most recent John Zogby polls of likely Democratic primary voters.

    Pressure on Mrs. Clinton from some fellow Democrats to concede the nomination to Mr. Obama is expected to grow if she fails to win Tuesday’s primary in the Keystone State by a significant margin.

    In the poll, Mrs. Clinton got the nod from 52 percent of the state’s Democrats for the nomination and Mr. Obama won the affection of 42 percent.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080421/NATION/800833046/1002

  210. electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr19.htm

    if the vote were held today
    check this out:

    Electoral Votes: Clinton 289 McCain 239 results: President Clinton
    Electoral Votes: Obama 260 McCain 254 results: Inconclusive

  211. Right, we need to email that to the SD’s.

    with a great big emphasis of this is what is awaiting you if you take Obama on because look what he does to his Democratic Colleagues that refuse to support him.

    1 : His supporters will slash your car tires.
    2 : He will shut your website down.
    3 : He will run a younger black opponent if you are in a populous AA district area.
    4 : He will call you a racist
    5 : He will flip you the bird on live television
    6 : His thugs will smear you

    If this is the mark of an Obama democrat tPresidency hen sign me up as a McCain supporter fast.

  212. This is the killer figure as to why Hillary will win PA from ARG

    20% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 32% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

    Thats makes a 12% head start for her already

  213. Ok, so i posted the slash your tires thing over at DU and as usual all i got was a barrage of, you’re a liar, clintons a liar, where’s the proof, you clinton supporters will say anything.

    On another planet would be the saying.

  214. Did Rezko help Obama buy his house?

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/follow-money-did-rezko-help-obama-buy.html

  215. I think the term is, bought and paid for, in the pocket and bribed to be paid back at a later date.

  216. Its of no big stretch of the imagination as to why Obama will not release any records before 2000 because the whole house of cards collapses if he does.

  217. h tt p : / / w w w.n o w pacs. org/

    great videos to rate regarding Hillary and women supporters. Lots of good information

  218. So there is a video on youtube with a girl that makes alot of videos and she did one has a parody to say she is voting for hillary and she is acting like a dumb blond, (i don’t know why) but the point is, is that she is saying that hillary is not qualified period! Well i made a comment acting as if I bought what she was saying that she supported her and put the recent poll up on her comment box. It should be funny to see what I get in response. If you don’t like a person make your point, I wasted 3 minutes of my life listening to her say negative things but her title was for hillary. Other than that great morning so far and we are going to kick some ass tomorrow!!!!!

  219. Hillary on Olbermann! Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She better bust a move on this guy and hard! This man is a nightmare when you piss him off! She will do great! Just stay away from hard ball!

  220. I’m glad Hillary is going on Keith Olbermann show, because it said she not afraid of the irrational wing of the party and she is going after every vote.

    It’s like Daniel going into the lion’s den…he still came out alive.

    Also knowing Keith, he’ll play gotcha on her fundraiser recording of the telling where the activist base can go………….to Team Obama.

    Wreak his campaign more!!!

  221. Taunts fly ahead of key US vote
    White House hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have traded jibes in a surge of negative campaigning ahead of a key Democratic vote in Pennsylvania.

    During weekend rallies, she accused him of cheering on Republican rival John McCain, while he attacked her for “slash and burn” politics.

    Tuesday’s primary may prove vital in the drawn-out fight for the nomination.

    Mrs Clinton needs a strong victory to stay in the race, but polls suggest Mr Obama has cut into her lead.

    War chest

    As the two criss-crossed the state in a final battle for votes, campaign finance figures were released showing that Mr Obama had raised $41m in March, compared to Mrs Clinton’s $20m, and Mr McCain’s $15m – his best monthly total so far.

    Mr Obama, who has been spending heavily in Pennsylvania, had a $42m war chest for April, while Mrs Clinton had $9m, the candidates’ reports showed.

    DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES
    Barack Obama:
    Pledged delegates: 1,414
    Super-delegates: 231
    Total: 1,645
    Hillary Clinton:
    Pledged delegates: 1,250
    Super-delegates: 257
    Total: 1,507
    Source: AP estimates on 21 April

    Mrs Clinton also reported a debt of $10.3m – although her campaign pointed to victories in three of the last four primaries despite Mr Obama’s superior spending power.

    The New York senator hit out at Mr Obama after he said Mr McCain would make a better president than George W Bush.

    “We need a nominee who will take on John McCain, not cheer on John McCain, and I will be that nominee,” Mrs Clinton said.

    She also struck out at a new Obama advertisement that criticises her health care plan, telling a rally in York, Pennsylvania: “Instead of attacking the problem, he chooses to attack my solution.”

    Super-delegates

    Mr Obama, who is on a railway tour of the state, lashed out at Mrs Clinton’s approach to politics.

    “Her basic argument is that the slash-and-burn, say-anything, do-anything special interest-driven politics is how it works… Senator Clinton has internalised a lot of the strategies, the tactics, that have made Washington such a miserable place,” he said.

    “Trying to score cheap political points may make good headlines and good television but it doesn’t make for good government,” Reuters news agency quoted Mr Obama as saying.

    Mrs Clinton said her opponent had been “so negative” in recent days because “a big difference” had become apparent between them.

    After a long and gruelling battle, the candidates are so close that neither is expected to win sufficient delegates to the party’s national convention in August to seal the nomination.

    They are therefore battling for the support of about 800 so-called super-delegates – Democratic party officials who can choose for themselves which candidate to back, rather than reflecting the will of party voters.

    Mr Obama has the most pledged delegates, with 1,414 to Mrs Clinton 1,250.

    And while Mrs Clinton is leading in terms of the super-delegates, with 257 to 231, many have swung behind Mr Obama in recent weeks.

    Criticism

    Analysts say Pennsylvania will be a key test in her argument that despite Mr Obama’s overall lead, only she will be able to secure wins in critical large states – such as Ohio and Texas – in November’s presidential poll.

    A poll released on Sunday by MSNBC/McClatchy, showed Mrs Clinton holding a five-point lead over Mr Obama in Pennsylvania – 48% to 43% -down from her once double-digit advantage.

    There has been increasing pressure from senior Democrats for a swift resolution to the deadlock, fearing the prolonged battle will damage the eventual candidate’s success against Mr McCain.
    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7358234.stm
    *****************************************************
    I just love the Brits, trying to influence the dems primary…I wish they would just come out and say they’re anti-war and think Obama is too.

  222. Guam Democrats finalize list of candidates

    By Therese Hart
    Variety News Staff

    THE Democratic Party of Guam yesterday finalized its list of candidates who will be running in the upcoming May 3 Guam Democratic caucus for the at-large delegates and alternates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

    Candidates for state party chairman and vice chair running as a team are: Joseph Artero Cameron and Arlene Bordallo; Antonio “Tony” Charfauros and Mary Ann Cabrera; and Pilar C. Lujan and Jaime Paulino.

    The candidate running for state party secretary is Therese C. Arriola and the candidate running for state party treasurer is Joseph T. “Joey” Duenas.

    The candidates running for national committee man and committee woman are David L.G. Shimizu and Taling M. Taitano.

    Female delegate candidates who pledged for U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama are: Pacita C. Aguon, Dolores P. Blas, Hope A. Cristobal, Chelsa D. Muna-Brecht, Skylia Faye Schacher and Therese M. Terlaje.

    Female delegate candidates who pledged for U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton are: Arlene Bordallo, Rena K. Borja, Isabel D.S.A. Lujan (Becky), Morna M. MacDonald-Rector and Cecilia F. Mafnas.

    Male delegate candidates who pledged for Obama are: Benjamin J.F. Cruz, Derrick Muna-Quinata, Jesse L.G. Perez, Francis Santos, John C. Terlaje, Mitchell F. Thompson and Ernest S. Wusstig.

    Male delegate candidates who pledged for Clinton are: Chris Michael Duenas, Thomas J. Fisher, Derrick B. Hills, Matt Rector and Dennis G. Rodriguez, Jr.
    http://www.mvariety.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=10257&format=html

  223. Scarborough just called Mika OUT .. Mika said, Joe is in the tank .. he said “NO” I’m the only one that isn’t LOL

  224. Obama lost 13 points in National Polls and Scarborough questioning why the media isn’t reporting it.

    Scarborough hitting on Rev Jeremiah Wright and the ABC debate questions.

  225. “unprecedented amounts of money being spent” .. record amount of $ in a primary in PA .. 2 to 3 to 1 outspending her. Senator Clinton is still standing.

  226. Love how Wolfson keeps bringing up the facts that he is spending tons and tons of money and resources to knock her out and that if he doesn’t .. well, it will raise more questions about his electability in November

  227. I love Howard Wolfson…he’s not letting Mike bit him on his heels without returning the bite back…Go Howard!!!

  228. Hillary on Oberlmann, if its anything like the time she took Russert apart on MTP, then i’d be quaking if i was Oberlmann.

  229. Morning all! 😀

    44.44 at 4:44!

    Dot, ya want june – august?

    Uh-oh – I just got a tingle going up my leg. hehehehehe

  230. I can’t look at the polls number, it’s better for me to think we’re the underdog. Keeps my nose to the grindstone and take nothing for granted.

  231. Bear this in mind when you think of PA tomorrow because its the proof that Hillary wins PA handily

    According to ARG

    20% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 32% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

    That gives Hillary a heck of a head start. He’s lost a 1/3 of the Dem vote in PA before he starts

  232. Axelrod on joe,

    Hahahaha. NOW he’s saying the POLLS fluctuate and the campaign is focused on moving forward state by state, there are 10 states left . . . . .
    LMFAO!!!!!!!!! He says they’re ignoring the polls.

  233. Axelgrease;

    How far we were behind – it was 20 points – I think we’ll get our share (of the votes).

    This is DELICIOUS!

  234. Hamas says it is not bound by any referendum on peace with Israel

    The Associated Press
    Monday, April 21, 2008
    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip: Hamas says it won’t necessarily accept the results of any Palestinian referendum on peace with Israel.

    Earlier Monday, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said Hamas wouldn’t undermine Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ efforts to reach a peace deal with Israel, as long as the Palestinian people approved it in a referendum.

    But Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman said Carter’s comments “do not mean that Hamas is going to accept the result of the referendum.”

    Carter’s spoke in Jerusalem after meeting last week with the top Hamas leaders in Syria.
    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/21/africa/ME-GEN-Carter-Hamas.php
    *****************************************************
    Humas played Carter like a “bass fiddle” and made him look old and ineffectual.

    So this is the model Obambi wants to use in this middle east?

    Well Hillary Clinton was right in not having face to face meeting in which rouge nations will use as p.r. for legitimacy and not honor anything at all.

  235. basil9 Says:

    April 21st, 2008 at 8:24 am
    Axelgrease;

    How far we were behind – it was 20 points – I think we’ll get our share (of the votes).

    This is DELICIOUS!
    *****************************************************
    It must be VERY BAD for Obama. I don’t see any gloating over at MessNBC in fact very sad faces. The only one happy is Joe Scarbrough. hehe

  236. McCain honors civil rights movement
    Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:31am EDT
    By Steve Holland

    SELMA, Alabama (Reuters) – Republican presidential candidate John McCain will speak out for change in America from a landmark of the U.S. civil rights movement on Monday as he sets off on a trip aimed at appealing to centrist voters.

    While Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton battle for their party’s presidential nomination, McCain will spend the week in economically struggling places where Republican candidates do not normally go.

    The Arizona senator begins his tour with a speech at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, where armed Alabama police attacked more than 500 civil rights demonstrators on March 7, 1965, a day known as “Bloody Sunday.”

    His trip will take him from the rural “Black Belt” of Alabama, to the hard-hit steel town of Youngstown, Ohio, the Appalachia region of Kentucky, and hurricane-stricken New Orleans.

    In his speech, McCain will speak highly of Georgia Democratic Rep. John Lewis — an Obama supporter — who took part in the Selma march and was beaten by police.

    “John Lewis took the first blow, a baton thrust to the stomach that shoved him back on the marchers behind him. He took the second blow, too, a hard swung club to his head, leaving a permanent scar where it struck,” McCain will say in his speech, according to excerpts released by his campaign.

    His point will be that Americans can overcome whatever challenges face them.

    “There must be no forgotten places in America, whether they have been ignored for long years by the sins of indifference and injustice, or have been left behind as the world grew smaller and more economically interdependent,” he will say.

    At a time when “change” is a watchword in the Democrats’ argument that they should take over the White House after eight years of Republican President George W. Bush, McCain will say change is needed but not the kind that the Democrats offer.

    “The time for pandering and false promises is over. It is time for action. It is time for change; the right kind of change,” he will say. He will argue for limits on the federal government, rather than “policies that empower government to make our choices for us.”

    McCain’s trip is part of a bid to attract more independent voters who could be crucial in the November election.

    Soon after arriving on Sunday, McCain was at a restaurant in downtown Selma, tucking into a dinner of fried chicken, green beans, mashed potatoes and gravy.

    He was there to meet members of “The Tuesday Group,” a racially mixed group that gathers once a month for drinks and dinner.

    At the same time, his campaign was fighting back against an article in The Washington Post that reported various instances in which McCain was said to have lost his temper.

    McCain adviser Mark Salter said the story was “99 percent fiction.”

    “He argues, sometimes heatedly, with his peers, but he doesn’t hold grudges or pick on people subordinate to him,” Salter said in an email released by the McCain campaign.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2036889320080421
    *****************************************************
    Thank you, Dean DNC and Obama for not seating FL and MI and giving the Republicans the moral high ground.

  237. TALK ABOUT A UNITER, now we have proof:

    Richard Mellon, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, funded the Impeachment in 1998.

    She met with him, and guess what SHE WON HIM OVER,

    RICHARD MELLON ENDORSED HILLARY CLINTON. Normally endorsement don’t mean that much. But this is a significant demonstation in which she went into the Lions Den, and she came out a uniter. You dont get any tougher assignment than someone who funded the impreachment hearing against your husband. She really showed guts and courage doing that. She holds no grudges. Obama holds grudges.

  238. carby,
    😀

    Like Geraldo said yesterday, in PA HRC has the Bowlers, the Hunters, the Gun-Owners, the Beer Drinkers, the Catholics . . . . hehehehehe

    And that was AFTER he predicted a 10+ lead over Ozomba.

  239. Forgot to add,

    Isn’t it IRONIC that 6 weeks ago Ozomba was saying there was no way HRC could win, the math was against her, the strategy of moving on state by state was doomed, and now Axelgrease is saying the SAME THING! Let’s see how the next 10 states play out, he says!!!!!

    We need to get Pelosi, Dean, brazille and all to condemn the same strategy they condemned when HRC initiated it!!!!!!!!

    Also, didn’t HAMAS endorse Ozomba???????

  240. “Isn’t it IRONIC that 6 weeks ago Ozomba was saying there was no way HRC could win, the math was against her, the strategy of moving on state by state was doomed, and now Axelgrease is saying the SAME THING!”

    Whenever you hear that always remember that Obama cannot win mathematically either!

  241. I love the new ads they are positive and on the issues, great contrast to Obama right now! I also have never seen so many polls on a state before, maybe I just forgot about the past states, but it really seems like they are trying to find some trace of win for Obama but it’s not going to happen!

  242. A quick canvass update for Bristol PA, a working class suburb north of Philadelphia – FANTASTIC DAY FOR HILLARY. We hit about 60 houses and of the people who were at home, all but ONE person we spoke to are emphatically voting Hillary. Time and again they would say that Obama just doesn’t speak to them. And they really don’t like how this newcomer (some could barely pronounce his name) was running down the Clinton administration. Anyway, we came back to New York feeling pretty great about PA!

  243. Another great month for Obama in raising money,but, it goes to show you, that he can’t buy the election(s), and it shows he can’t close the deal.

  244. Carter needs to ZIP it!
    In an interview on FOX he says he hasn’t endorsed yet but his children, his grandchildren, his neighbors, the residents of his town and the people of his state are overwhelmingly for Ozomba.

    👿 😈

    Someone tell him to STHU

  245. Caroline Says:

    April 21st, 2008 at 9:06 am
    SurveyUSA poll shows Hillary leading by 6 in PA.

    That’s terrible. She had a lead of 14 last week.

  246. It doesn’t matter the lead, only that she wins….don’t let the media state otherwise. Notice how they keep raising the bar. First it was she had to win, then win at a certain percentage and now by a huge amount.

    They will do anything to downplay her success, when just even her winning PA by any amount is a HUGE failure for Obama.

  247. Let’s see what Wolfson (The campagine) has to say today. The tone of the message might be an indicator of what the internal poll numbers are!

  248. JAS,
    Interesting clip, EXCEPT for THIS segment!

    (paraphrasing) Craig says that Ozomba is such a celebrity and is bringing so many new people into the party that SD’s may vote for him even if they DON’T think he can win in the GE coz the net positives of new membership outweighs losing the WH.

    HUH!!!!!!!!!!

  249. Ha, Even Novak thinks Obama’s fucked now. Obama’s own medialickers are questioning him now.

    Nevertheless, Democratic pros feel that the San Francisco incident halted an Obama surge in Pennsylvania that might have won him the state and ended Clinton’s campaign tomorrow. What really worries them, however, is the impact on independents and Republicans who had been entranced by the young man from Chicago. Now, they wonder whether the appealing unifier is really a divider.

    Obama is trying to change the subject, but he lost his cool demeanor when ABC News questioners Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos returned to his San Francisco statement (among other difficult issues) in Wednesday’s debate. In watching campaign debates dating back to Kennedy-Nixon in 1960, I never before had seen a candidate criticize the moderator or challenge his premises so often (on at least eight occasions). “Look, let me finish my point here, Charlie,” said Obama, after Gibson had interrupted him following a 126-word answer.

  250. mj, we have been through this SO many times, and everyone still freaks out over polls.

    It could be a lot of things. Obama has always polled better on the weekends than Hillary (maybe working people are busy with families on wekends, and not answering the phone?).

    It could be that they changed their “model” again, oversampled this group or that group.

    It could be chance. It could be a bad poll that will be shown to be an outlier.

    It gets a little old, since THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FROM THE BEGINNING, yet we continue to react as if it is SOMETHING NEW AND FEARFUL. Poll after poll has been cooked this way or that way, flip-flopping all over the place. Yet people still tremble and look at poll numbers and moan “But Whhhhhhhhhhhy?”

    Ignore the damn polls. They are USELESS as a day-to-day measure.

  251. yeah, the silly thing is .. a win is a win! Only the pundits with their “media threshold” have always held Hillary to a higher and double standard. The must win with big numbers has been pushed onto Hillary in every state and I just do not see it that way and I don’t think the sd’s will see it like that either. 1% or 10% .. a win is a win. She does need massive turnout though to help in overall votes.

    With the tons of dough Obama has sent into the state .. he actually should be ahead. It shows just what a formidable challenger Hillary is and how her message and her candidacy is being accepted.

    The party is fools to try to steam roll her like they have. It will come back to bite them .. big time.

  252. its no use predicting polls today, lets see what tomorrow bring but i believe i just saw, it was the AA population propping him up yet again.

  253. Why does the media not see a pattern with their own behavior? I can’t believe these people report the news and act like children, I want to watch Anchorman again, that will be great for tomorrow!

  254. or maybe people flat out lied to the pollster considering this poll was taken when people were fed up of talking to people and getting harrassed.

    The only one that matters is tomorrow night.

  255. well tonight remember .. Countdown

    Larry King Live ..

    Also, 4:44pm your time zone ..make whatever contribution you can. I’d love to see Hillary with a cool million from that rolling time

  256. Heres what this lot say

    http://www.nbc10.com/politics/15943088/detail.html

    Looks like someone might have oversampled AA population

    A large shift of support occurred in the Philadelphia area and other parts of Southeast Pennsylvania, which includes most of the state’s African-American population. The poll found that Obama finished strongly, ahead of Clinton by 14 points within that demographic. Among liberals, Obama began 18 points behind Clinton but finished 11 points ahead of Clinton. Among those who have not graduated from college, Clinton led by 28 points last week, but by 15 points Monday.

    Among voters under age 50, Clinton had led by 8 points last week and trailed by 8 Monday.

    Here’s what has not changed: Among women, Clinton has led by 30, 28, 28, 22, and 23 points in five polls. Among voters 50 and older, Clinton has led by 26, 22, 24, 20, and 20 points in the polls.

    The pollsters surveyed 1,800 Pennsylvania adults between Friday and Sunday.

  257. texan4hillary Says:
    April 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    from tm-
    Here’s another report from the ground in PA. I just returned from taking two visiting New Yorkers up to the Northeast PA office for canvassing.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Hey, texan4, I canvassed Fri and Sunday in NE Philly, out of both offices (7727 Frankford, and Ryan & Frankford). Are you the woman with jet black hair whom I spoke with at the Thursday 4/10 organizational meeting?

    Jeesh, I met people coming in from everywhere. I canvassed with a dude Travis who has been flying into Philly over the weekends…from Vancouver! (he’s Missourian originally).

    Yes, we are looking pretty good in NE Philly!

  258. You know what I am glad SUSA has underestimated the support because it will look even better tomorrow.

  259. Southeast PA, that would be the Maryland border bit, what a surprise, he’s probably bussing them in to false vote with dead peoples details.

  260. The SUSA poll w/14-pt lead I saw yesterday said it was THEIR final poll.

    Are we sure this 6-pt lead isn’t them polling for another outfit?

    Weren’t they doing that earlier and there was a discrepancy between their’s and the sponsored poll?

  261. Blue Dem, if you saw that on Talk Left, he posted an older poll and realized it was a mistake. It was Indiana that had the university commisioned poll. I have not heard that with this poll. I think it is their final.

  262. Maybe SUSA are just hedging their bets, they have been called the outlier the last 3 weeks but so close to tomorrow, i think in reality, we just dont know, everyone agrees she’ll but by how much no one knows.

  263. HillaryforTexas Says:
    April 21st, 2008 at 9:38 am

    mj, we have been through this SO many times, and everyone still freaks out over polls. It could be a lot of things. Obama has always polled better on the weekends than Hillary
    &&&&&&&&&&

    Maybe it’s good that the election is on a Tuesday. That’s when the one “real poll”, the one that matters, is taken. And it’s sampling methodology is simple yet foolproof: count every vote.

    DUH.

    ;^)

  264. The good news is though that a lowish poll will spur Clinton supporters to get out the vote bigtime.

  265. Hillary streaming live in PA : (paraphrase)

    “The American people can accomplish whatever we want to do. That’s who we are. I waited in vain after 9/11 for the president to call us to something bigger than ourselves. What did he call us to do? Go shopping.

    WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THAT. (crowd roars)”

  266. washPost today:

    Clinton is favored to win, but the senator from New York may still face renewed pressure to end her candidacy unless she rolls up a sizable margin in the popular vote and significant gains in the overall delegate count.
    &&&&&&&&&&&

    How “sizable” and “significant” do her wins have to be in order for her to have the gall to continue running. In other words, if they can’t quantify it, it just means their being an echo chamber for weak DNC heads.

    Why don’t they say that if Obama loses by double digits, that might indicate the beginning of the end for Golden Boy, that there might just be some “there” there about his bitter comments and his woefully inadequate debate performance?

  267. Think you’re right MJ, meant to put a TL header on it, forgot.

    Clinton campaign accuses Obama of being copycat

    BY GLENN THRUSH

    April 21, 2008
    PHILADELPHIA

    Hillary Clinton was clearly having a blast during her drop-in television appearance with Stephen Colbert here Thursday, but her campaign’s mood soured when aides learned Barack Obama would be appearing on the same show via satellite.

    “I can’t believe it – he’s such a copycat,” fumed a person close to Clinton, telling Newsday that the candidate herself said she was surprised by Obama’s Colbert Nation invasion.

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton said his boss was simply taking the show up on repeated requests that he appear – and that the producers had suggested the Thursday time slot. Colbert’s spokeswoman didn’t return calls for comment during the weekend.

    “I’m not surprised the Clinton campaign is attacking us for going on ‘The Colbert Report’ – since their campaign is 100-percent negative,” Burton said. “But I do have to say this is about the lamest attack they’ve come up with so far.”

    The Colbert clash captures the growing bitterness between two exhausted campaigns on the eve of the latest do-or-die contest. But it also reflects a deeper resentment among Clinton insiders over what they believe is Obama’s penchant for pilfering their ideas, the political equivalent of the popular kid rising to the top of the class by cribbing the nerdy valedictorian’s notes.

    “Senator Obama has clearly followed us on an entire range of issues,” says Clinton policy chief Neera Tanden. “It raises a fundamental question: If Senator Obama can’t propose his own major policies during the campaign, how is he going to do it as president?”

    Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a top Clinton surrogate, said, “He’s clearly picking up a lot of her stuff, especially on economic stimulus. It’s really noticeable.”

    To make its point, the Clinton campaign is circulating a memo to surrogates that details alleged Obama policy lifts on issues including the establishment of a national infrastructure bank, creation of 5 million new “green collar” jobs and a plan to force colleges to adopt a universal financial aid form.

    Clinton, who prides herself on being a policy wonk, is particularly peeved about what she believes to be Obama’s borrowing of her economic-stimulus and foreclosure-relief packages – two critical plans in such hard-hit primary states as Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina.

    “I came up with that a year ago,” she quipped to an audience in Bethlehem yesterday, referring to her plan to allocate billions to states for mortgage assistance programs.

    In many cases, Clinton’s camp argues, Obama cut-and-pasted Clinton proposals, then tossed in a few hundred million in funding to make him look bolder. One example cited in the memo was Clinton’s Oct. 11, 2007, proposal to more than double the tax credit for public college students to $3,500. A month later, Obama proposed a similar plan – but one-upped Clinton by raising the maximum credit to $4,000.

    In October, Clinton rolled out a proposal to set aside $1 billion to help states develop paid family leave programs. A month later, the Illinois senator rolled out a similar policy – with an extra $500 million.

    Burton denied that Obama has willfully borrowed any proposal from Clinton – and countered that it’s Clinton who is copying Obama on Iraq, the most crucial issue she’s faced in the Senate. Citing news accounts, Burton claims that Clinton purposely waited for Obama to cast his “no” vote on the May 2005 Iraq supplemental funding vote before she herself voted no, and suggested that she backed the Reid-Feingold plan to end the war only after he did so publicly. “Who’s copying who?” he asked.

    But one Clinton adviser, speaking on condition of anonymity, claims such arguments mask a basic difference: that Clinton is obsessed with specific solutions through detailed policy proposals, while Obama is obsessed with message and is content to leave granular details to staff.

    Still, a fight over policy plagiarism was probably inevitable in a 15-month campaign between two Democrats who now tout virtually identical policy positions on health care, foreign policy and economic stimulus, experts say.

    “They are down to hairsplitting because there really aren’t any significant differences between them anymore,” said Hunter College politics professor Andrew Polsky.

    Copyright © 2008, Newsday Inc.

  268. If she wins it, thats good enough for me. these fuckers want her to win with 99% before they would say she won.

  269. dot48 Says:

    April 21st, 2008 at 7:11 am
    Hillary Clinton is going to go on Keith Olbermann tonight at 8pm …. God, why??

    Because she has POLITICAL COURAGE!

  270. thats right winhillary.time to turn the tables..if he cant win with a hugh margin and close the deal with all that money..get out of the race drop out…

  271. Is anyone else having a problem logging in to Hillary’s Call Center?

    I was going to make some more calls, and can’t get in.

    “Unable to connect to secure server”

  272. I think guys we are underestimating a lot of areas in PA, rural voters if they come out big for Hil, they will overwhelm, the unknown quantities are this, Republicans that signed up for the PA primary, will they come out for Hillary, i have a sneaking suspicion so.

    Independents and undecideds, i think will swing her way also.

  273. Undecided Superdelegates Say November Weighs Heaviest in Their Minds
    by Associated Press
    Sunday, April 20, 2008

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/20/undecided-superdelegates-say-november-weighs-heaviest-in-their-minds/

    WASHINGTON — Many of the Democratic superdelegates who are still undecided say the most important factor in their decision is simple — they just want a winner in November.

    Problem is, after nearly four months of primaries and caucuses in 46 states, territories and the District of Columbia, they still aren’t sure who that is, don’t seem be in any hurry to make up their minds and aren’t interested in any artificial process that might force them to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Most of the more than 100 undecided superdelegates who discussed their decision-making with The Associated Press in the past two weeks agreed that the primaries and caucuses do matter — whether it’s who has the most national delegates or the candidate who won their state or congressional district. But few said the primaries will be the biggest factor in their decision.

    “I think it’s really important that we keep our eye on the prize, and the prize is the win in November,” said Gail Rasmussen, an undecided superdelegate from Oregon.

    That’s good news for Clinton, who cannot catch Obama in delegates won in the few remaining primaries and caucuses.

  274. Right, Hill has to win by 20, then immediately drop out.

    A giant, whopping FU to them all.

    Tomorrow, we’ll have our day. Then we’ll have more……

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  276. just, every campaign ends in debt. She’ll likely have debt by the end of this. It really doesn’t matter.

  277. Of course they will trot out anything TODAY to try to influence the vote.

    CNN sees what is happening in PA. That should tell us a LOT.

  278. did you all see this?? benny boy has it up

    Jeremiah Wright to be interviewed by Bill Moyers
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    Written by J. Bennett Guess
    April 19, 2008

    In what will be his first interview since snippets of his preaching became a central issue in the U.S. presidential campaign, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. will speak publicly to veteran journalist and fellow UCC member Bill Moyers.

    The interview will be broadcast on Friday evening, April 25, on Bill Moyers Journal, a PBS news series that airs nationally. Check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/moyers.

    Wright retired in March after 36 years as senior pastor of the 8,000-member Trinity UCC in Chicago, where U.S. Sen. Barack Obama has been a member for more than 20 years. Trinity UCC is the largest congregation among the UCC’s 5,700 churches.

    Moyers, a member of Riverside Church (UCC/American Baptist) in New York City, is a critically-acclaimed public affairs journalist who is known for his thoughtful attention to the intersection of politics, religion and the media. Last June, Moyers and Obama were among the presenters at the UCC’s 50th anniversary General Synod in Hartford, Conn.

    Following his appearance on Bill Moyers Journal, Wright is scheduled to be the keynote speaker at the NAACP Detroit Branch on Sunday, April 27. He is also slated to speak on Monday, April 28, to a breakfast gathering at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., followed by a teach-in at Howard University School of Divinity and Shiloh Baptist Church, which also will host an ecumenical prayer service.

  279. true, but they dont report that DNC has lost a lot of money, particuarly since they wont count Michigan and Florida

  280. Is it possible that a win for Hillary 10 or over in Pennsylvania would herald the following?

    1/SDs going her way
    2/Dean, Brazille, et al having a reason to move slightly away from Obama…i.e…he can’t win the big states
    3/A decision to seat all of the delegates/count all of the primary voters from Michigan and Florida

    Is this why his campaign is spending so much and going so negative?

    When I think of how the money he has spent could be used to help the less fortunate, it just makes me sad.

  281. That’s what I said last week when I was attacked for being negative..it looks like a 5-7% spread. Good enough for me, but it will be called a “moral” loss for HRC by the ass-clown pundits. On another note, just received another e-mail from DNC about it’s first advertisement against McCain. I told them I would do everything in my power to defeat Obama if Hillary is not our nominee…

  282. Ras PA Poll

    Pennsylvania Democratic Presidential Primary
    Pennsylvania: Clinton 49% Obama 44%
    Monday, April 21, 2008

    The final Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of the Democratic Presidential Primary in Pennsylvania shows Hillary Clinton with 49% of the vote and Barack Obama with 44%. This election poll was conducted Sunday afternoon and evening.

    Overall, with just one day to go, 7% of Pennsylvania voters remain undecided and 3% say there’s a good chance they will change their mind. Rasmussen Markets data shows that Clinton is given a 87.5% chance of winning in Pennsylvania at this time.

    Early in 2008, most Democratic voters viewed both candidates favorably. That is no longer the case. Just 43% of Obama voters have a favorable opinion of Clinton. Only 42% of Clinton voters have a favorable opinion of Obama.

    Overall, in the Keystone State, Clinton is now viewed favorably by 71% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters. Obama gets favorable reviews from 69%. Clinton’s favorable ratings in the state peaked in early March at 77%. Obama’s peaked in late March at 73%.

    This is the fifth straight Rasmussen Reports poll of the race to show Clinton with a single-digit lead. In all five polls, Clinton’s support has been between 47% and 50% while Obama’s range has been from 41% to 44%. The demographic make-up of the state seems to favor Clinton, which has enabled her to retain a modest lead despite being significantly outspent by the Obama campaign.

    Clinton leads by eighteen percentage points among White Voters and does especially well among White Women. Obama dominates among African-Americans. Obama leads among those who are politically liberal while Clinton has the edge among more moderate and conservative voters. Clinton leads among lower and middle income voters while Obama leads among those who earn more than $75,000 annually. Clinton leads among those who view the economy as the most important issue while Obama is the top choice for those who see the War in Iraq as the highest priority. Clinton leads among voters over 40 while Obama has the edge among younger voters.

    It is far more challenging to project turnout in a Primary Election than a General Election. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of this survey sample are women, 42% men. Eleven percent (11%) are under 30 and 57% are over 50. Eighty-two percent (82%) are White and 15% African-American. Twenty-six percent (26%) make $75,000 per year or more. The degree to which actual turnout varies from these figures could have a significant impact on the final results.

    Eighty percent (80%) of the Primary Voters say they are at least Somewhat Likely to vote for Clinton against John McCain in November. Seventy-six percent (76%) are Somewhat or Very Likely to vote for Obama against McCain.

    Forty-four percent (44%) of Pennsylvania Primary voters view Obama as politically moderate. That’s down from 48% just a few days ago. Thirty-seven percent (37%) view the Illinois Senator as politically liberal.

    As for Clinton, 51% say she is politically moderate. That figure is up from 49% on Thursday. Nationally, among all voters, a majority see both Democratic candidates as politically liberal.

    Forty-six percent (46%) say that, if Obama is nominated, he is Very Likely to be elected President. Another 29% say he is Somewhat Likely to win in November.

    Clinton’s numbers are virtually identical—50% say she would be Very Likely to win the White House and 30% say she would be Somewhat Likely to do so.

    A separate survey found that both Democrats lead McCain in Pennsylvania. Nationally, McCain currently leads both Democrats in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. Looking at the Electoral College, the race is essentially a Toss-Up.

  283. please everyone:

    MAKE CALLS TO GOTV, DONATE and do everything you can to help Hill!

    We’re in it to win it!!

  284. He’s never polled above 45% in PA in any poll. That’s a good indicator. SUSA could be an outlier. 14 points in last week, 6 points in this weeks, with a margin of error of 4 is statistically the same.

  285. I think it was always going to be within single digets… also remember negative ads work…thats why they do them…bho realized that he needed to keep it under doubles and went negative rather heavily…don’t listen to the so called pros..a win is a win…with all his money he should have pit her away by now…the question should be ” why can’t he put her away?”…..he has the money..she should not be forced out..if you want it..come and get it

  286. He had 6 friggin weeks and 1.5 a week to pump in ads….there was no way any candidate could hold on to a 16.6% lead. Why, however, can’t Hillary regain any AA’s in NC??? They are really turning on the Clinton’s despite 35 yrs of civil rights advocacy on their behalf..Talk about racism…

  287. jb .. because the AA are gonna go with him REGARDLESS .. it is about getting one of their own in the WH. Too bad whites won’t go there.

  288. it’s gonna be 10% or more. I’m telling you the people are ready to show the big whigs that they can’t dictate who the nominee will be with rigged caucus.

  289. I’m feeling 10% as well. I think the voters of PA are going to send a big Eff You to the media and the DNC.

  290. Check this out:
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/725953/hillary_clinton_rallies_large_audience.html?page=4

    The last paragraph:
    In two days, Pennsylvania votes in the confusing concatenation of rules which define Democratic primary politics. A frustrated Barack Obama spends 8 million dollars in Pennsylvania television ads alone in order to shrink Hillary Clinton’s margin of expected victory. From there, it is on to Indiana and to North Carolina. Expect Hillary to go on. Ultimately, it’s people politics and not party politics which is most important to the freedoms we enjoy.

  291. and to the bratty, thuggish Obamacults who have invaded PA, tearing down signs, slashing tires and intimidating people. The PA folks will show them “outta town”

  292. I got into a huge argument with an Obama supported at our Passover dinner. I called him a self-hating Jew and he called me a racist. Very nasty and my poor Mom just sat there………………..I ate with my wife and kids and then left as they brought the sponge cake out which I called ‘Obama Cake”……………

  293. cnn actually airing a good piece on older voters and why they support Hillary….this will help sway the undecided older voters.

    I think Bill, Hill and Chelsea barnstorming today will close the deal.

  294. Why can’t I just eat my waffle?

    by John McCormick

    SCRANTON, Pa. – As Sen. Hillary Clinton was preparing to campaign here today, Sen. Barack Obama was meeting with voters at a diner and apparently pretty hungry.

    “Why can’t I just eat my waffle?” he said, when asked a foreign policy question by a reporter at the Glider Diner.

    On the day before the Pennsylvania primary, Obama is campaigning in the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh areas today, avoiding the so-called “T” section of the state dominated by rural and conservative voters.

    At the diner, Obama listened to a trumpet solo from a high school student. A waitress said the 17-year-old had been waiting outside the diner for several hours before Obama arrived.

    On the other side of the diner, two high school seniors had skipped school to meet Obama and got him to sign passes saying “Excuse Colin!” and “Excuse Joey!”

  295. Clinton Conference Call Live Blog
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:35:44 AM ES

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/4/21/113544/232

    Wolfson says Obam has outspent Clinton 3-1, inlcuding 7 million in TV ads. If Obama can’t win a big swing state with such an enormous spending advantage how can he win such a state. Obama has had problems winning key states like Florida, Michigan and Ohio. Obama is doing all he can to WIN, not come close, in PA. In an attempt to knock Clinton out of the race. If he fails to, it will again raise questions as to whether he can win these key states. The stakes are very high for Clinton and Obama. etc.
    Singer says Obama has become concerned about his ability to deal with the issues raised against him and thus he has gone negative as a result. His comments on small town Americans are being used to attack Dems down ballot and in other races. Mentions a few instances, including the NM GOP using his comments…….

    For more click on the link

  296. Shouldn’t the media be getting a clue as to how they’d be treated by Obama if he were elected?

    He needed Hillary there to answer the question first so he could chortle along “I agree with Hillary”

  297. here is a comment down string on that conference call article at talk left that caught my eye

    does anyone here know of a way to find out how much the candidates have for the GE??

    Interesting thing about the dough. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Fabian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:01:21 AM EST
    Apparently Obama has $9 million that he can only use in the GE.

    That’s a lot of maxed out donors. How much more can he raise?

  298. Just heard on ABC radio: Obama is saying Hillary will win PA. Says he is only trying to reduce her margin. If he is hoping that will lull her voters into staying home, I hope it has the opposite effect.

    Also heard Hillary say, “Some people say ‘yes we can’. That doesn’t mean we will. I believe ‘yes we will’.

    I read something like that here yesterday, and was hoping she would use that line.

  299. Yahoo has this:

    Obama predicts Clinton win in Pennsylvania
    By NEDRA PICKLER and LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writers
    42 minutes ago

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_el_pr/democrats

    SCRANTON, Pa. – Barack Obama predicted Monday that Democratic presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton would get the critical victory she needs in Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary, but said his goal is to keep it close.

    “I’m not predicting a win,” he told Pittsburgh radio station KDKA. “I’m predicting it’s going to be close and that we are going to do a lot better than people expect.”

    Clinton aides tried to downplay expectations, insisting they would be grateful for a single-digit win. While the New York senator began the race with a hefty 20-point lead in several polls in the state, Obama’s extensive campaigning and heavy ad buy have significantly cut into Clinton’s lead.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Ummmm, sounds like he knows it’s more than a four point spread.

    This is the sound of a candidate gasping for air, and grasping for excuses.

    “Throw that man a life saver”. “Spearmint or peppermint?”

  300. If Obama didn’t want to be asked questions he should get OUT of PA. Get out of the race ….period.

    It’s obvious he does not like to be questioned .. think GWB in a more arrogant stance.

  301. Yep, dot. Hillary would NEVER get away with blowing off the press like he does all the time. Remember he did this before, when he whined at the reporters I already answered, like, 8 questions! Waaaaaaaaaaaah!

    Heck, they slam CHELSEA for not talking to reporters, and she is not even RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. He is. He needs to pull up his droopy underoos and learn to use the big-boy potty before he decides to run for president.

  302. Can someone calm me down? I’m kind of freaking out a little bit with all these polls and chat of a 2% win….I thought we had this in the bag. I was all excited yesterday and now I’m all worried!!!

  303. LJ…….calm down

    first don’t put too much into polls……we all know they are “faked” for obama’s bennifit

    second they are putting her at about 10% her internals have just shown 11%………..so chill out!!

  304. well, on the conference call they denied the Drudge report claim, and then the SUSA poll at 6%, and then Rendell saying “within 2 or 3” and Obama saying “we are gonna do better than expected”….

  305. LJ, ignore it all today. Rumors fly the day before the primary, good and bad, and it’s all crap.

    No one knows. GOTV. Make some calls. Say a prayer if that is your thing. Visualize Hillary winning.

  306. of course rendell is saying that……….they are both tamping it down, they always do just before the primary
    that way if it is down it doesn’t look so bad, (obama is doing that now)

    but rendell is doing it now so that it will look like more of a blow out for hill when she does better than expected.

  307. LJ: Welcome to the world of politics 🙂 Clintons campagine also said they did not do a poll yesterday, I son’t beleive that. There is one thing the campaige is good at, keeping it close to the vest!!

  308. Sherm, it is likely that the 11% number was “leaked” to Drudge by OBAMA, to raise expectations for Hillary.

    As JAS says, welcome to the world of politics.

  309. they said this:

    the three top presidential contenders, who will each address the WWE audience in specially taped messages.

    I think Hill should do a surprise appearance in person with her boxing gloves on…..JUST LIKE ROCKY !! 😀

  310. obama on cnn in blue bell pa doing an outdoor round table LOL

    it was him and like 10 white people……no AA and i didnt see any on lookers either Bwaaa haaaa haaaa!!!

  311. jbstonesfan, if she wins by better than 10%, we need to begin campaigning for BHO to drop out of the race.

  312. ok guys, i will be in and out mostly today, I need to go clean a little today and maybe i will even bake hubby something sweet 😀

  313. I’ve been saying the voters need to know that they HAVE to go to the polls .. it up to THEM.

    Obama is trying to discourage the gotv by saying that she’ll win .. let the voters know that THEY alone, each of them, has the power to keep Hillary in the race.

  314. Scared Of An Image Of bin Laden?
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 12:02:03 PM EST
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    By Big Tent Democrat

    I am with Kevin Drum on the Obama campaign’s overwrought reaction to the latest Clinton ad:

    Are the pro-Obama forces seriously trying to get their troops outraged over this latest ad from Hillary Clinton? Just because it contains a ten-second sequence of presidential crises (Depression, Pearl Harbor, gas crisis, Katrina, etc.) and flashes a half-second clip of Osama bin Laden as part of it? Spare me. Are Democratic political ads no longer even allowed to mention the fact that the next president is going to have to deal with the war on terror?
    The reaction is overwrought and I think politically obtuse. It makes it seem like Obama really is afraid to discuss the War on terror and we know he not only is not, but it is one of his strongest arguments – that we need to fight the War on terror not the Debacle in Iraq. Strange reaction from the Obama camp and his supporters.

  315. Obama’s constant whining about “hard questions” from the press reminds me of Bush’s refusal to hold press conferences and near inability to communicate directly with the American people. After 8 years of bogus, scripted events by a media-shy President, isn’t it time we elected a President who won’t dodge her duty to talk to the press and talk to the public?

    …Huge day tomorrow, needless to say. Call and donate! 😀

  316. Bill Clinton was in Milford PA over the weekend – every vote does count. First time a President has been there since JFK.

    BO has been having problems breaking low 40% in PA, even that’s reflected in today’s SUSA. If that’s the case, then, Clinton should have a very good margin – double digits.

  317. “ Hillary for Texas” is so right! Ignore all the poll noises – just light candles – actually or mentally — send money and don’t stop thinking about tomorrow.

    I’m wearing red and green today because I feel like we’re getting close to Christmas morning.

    And I keep asking the O nuts, where is he getting all that money? – so much money! Who’s he working for?

    Today, I’m also thinking about Bill’s “third way.” The far right and far left plus big media party are pushing me toward the 3rd way point of view regarding government and economics. We really have to get into this after Hillary starts working out of the Oval Office. I know, I know, first we need to get her there, but it doesn’t hurt to get prepared for what’s ahead. Are you getting the feeling of a new dawning of America’s potential for redefining itself to meet the challenges of the 21st century?
    GWB has been, to me, a trip down the old road which perhaps we needed to make in order to face its dead end — to dramatize the contrast between the old and the new. The Clintons, both of them, see the map of the new age. I think that’s why some people fear (hate) them. We need to understand where they see us going. I don’t think most people ever did really get it. I know I didn’t. We are now approaching the other end of the bridge Bill built, the bridge to the 21st century. The old road is dead-ended in mud. Hillary is the other end of the bridge, and she will work the new road brick by brick — that is her style and it’s just perfect – from the humane roots of our constitution to its definition for our time.
    Exciting stuff, no?
    Okay, meanwhile, PA and on to North Carolina. I’m just a lil old grape on the vine, but I wish I were young again so I could get my shoes moving on the ground to talk one on one, face to face with every voter I could meet in North Carolina! I’d say, “Where’s he getting all that money, hunh? What makes you think he cares about YOU?”

  318. About last weeks debate. How long since Obama held a press conference where those questions about his background could be asked? Maybe the moderators were just taking the only opportunity they had to pin him down.

    Of course he deserved it, after all the softball questions he’d had elsewhere, and the hard questions given Hillary elsewhere.

  319. lil ole grape, where are all the people that Obama can point to and they say,
    “My life is DEMONSTRABLY better because of his work, his actions.”?

    Crickets. They don’t exist.

    Hillary has thousands.

  320. I was in PA this weekend and EVERYONE was for Hillary!!! 😀 It was so uplifting and reaffirming! They myth that she does not have enthusiastic supporters is such a LIE.

  321. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    April 21st, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    lil ole grape, where are all the people that Obama can point to and they say,
    “My life is DEMONSTRABLY better because of his work, his actions.”?

    Crickets. They don’t exist.

    Hillary has thousands.
    ——————————-
    Hell, they don’t even know what his actions have been! I ask them all the time what did he ever do? What’s his record? They look at me dumbfounded and say hope, change — hello? anybody homne I say as I knock on thier hads!

  322. Afternoon everyone! There was a lot to digest upthread. I hope Drudge is right about the 11pts internal poll. I hate to be the one to agree with jbstonesfan, but I actually get his point for once. I don’t think a 6pt win will be enough. Don’t get me wrong a win is a win, and HRC should celebrate a very hard earned victory. But if Obama can outspend her to reduce her lead in PA, even after that debate performance, why couldn’t he do the same thing in KY or Indiana? Hill needs 10pts or better not because of the stupid cable pundits but to get the knockout punch with the SDs. I could be completely wrong, but I just fear that if he gets close on Tuesday what that means for later contests. I mean BO will win NC & Oregon, maybe South Dakota and Montana as well. So Hill has to hold her own in these upcoming primaries. Also a big win strengthens her hand getting FL and MI seated.

  323. Nikki – TM posters are saying the Drudge internal number has been debunked by the campaign in a conference call. Also, SUSA which says today that she’s ahead by 6 – someone looked at the cross-tabs, they had to stop sampling Jewish voters early because of Passover. Also, internally, had heard that BO having problems all along breaking 40% which is a good sign for her – double digit margin win if so. SUSA showing him at low-40s, but again, most of the polls have not shown that he is getting out of the low 40s and getting the upwards traction he needs.

  324. Hillary needs to finish strong (10+) to show donors she has a real chance, a stong finish will help with preceptions. Also a good finish will help with the popular vote.

  325. I have two questions for someone out there.

    1. The students who have turned into Obamabrats and left school for a year to come work for Obama, do you know if they are from SDS (Students for a Democratic Society). This organization was affiliated with the Weather Underground in the 60s. I know they are still active in the colleges today–at least that is what I read. Just wondering if these vicious brats were part of that organization.

    2. I also heard today that 130,000 people registered to vote and 150,000 switched over to democrat so they could vote. Anybody have any particulars on these numbers. We might be up shits creek if these people aren’t for Hillary (which I know they are–right?)

    If someone has any info, please let me know. I will check back shortly. Thanks.I

  326. I told there was something about the methodology, there is no way after the week that Obama had that he gained that traction, if he did, i’d have to say the voters of PA are off their trolley.

  327. Irish, BI registered 173k in Philly area. 🙁 The 11 points has been debunked by the campaign. Hopefully, they have a trick up their sleeve and will get those Hill supporters out tomorrow.

  328. Irish,

    If the ‘new’ voters aren’t for Hillary, they also aren’t showing up in the surveys and they didn’t show up for the support demonstration outside the debate or for other outdoor events (visibility etc). So maybe they won’t show up on voting day either. 🙂

  329. HATE DRUDGE BUT . . . . .

    That pic of HRC holding a mic in one hand, the other hand raised overhead, in the rain, is fantastic.

    (I know -photoshop but it’s still great)

    Click on headline and the pic shows up.

    Just read on ABC that Ozomba is conceding HRC will win PA.

  330. “From now on i think we should refer to Teddy Kennedy as “The Pope of Martha’s Vineyard” ”

    Done.

  331. they’ll come through for her. her supporters know she needs them. it will be fine and this win will propel her into the other states. don’t worry .. she’s still standing, even after all that has been slung at her.

    That is why bambi is worried so much .. even with all the $ he can’t knock her completely out.

    If the SD’s can’t see this ..

  332. fox doing a news segment called “hillary haters?” has to do with msnbc male commenators
    they definately showed that 9 min long rant of KO going off on Hillary

    so happy to see the media(fox) is calling him and others out on it finally!!

  333. Why the handwringing today?

    She’s GOT it!

    Even BM seems to be slowly waking up to the possibility that HRC CAN win the nomination! They are in shock! hehehehehe

  334. Hi all,

    Happy Birthday Hillary is 44.

    Just a quick note.

    It does not matter how much Hillary wins by tomorrow, and she will win.

    The sole purpose of her campaign now is to show she can compete in the states that matter for the GE.

    Please remember this…if one counts the delegates in FL and MI, Hillary is down less than 20 “TOTAL” delegates from the other guy.

    Hillary will pick up those delegates with the upcoming elections. And also remember Hillary challenged DNC to go public about not seating the FL. MI. It would be suicide for the democratic party if they did not count them.

    So bottom line, Hillary is winning where it matters, the race aint over, the more time that expires the more exposed BHO is for the fake he is, and if it was a done deal…BHO would already be the nominee…but he ain’t.

    So quit the frettin… a small point lead in PA still keeps them neck and neck in the larger view of things with the advantage Hillary. Then the remaining superdelegates will use their best judgement to determine who is best to go up against McC.

    Always count FL and MI in your totals!!!!! This is NOT a minor issue. That is the right way and the only way.

  335. Obama conceding PA, when has he ever conceded anything, I dont trust him, he’s up to something probably trying to influence HRC voters to stay home or he’s come to the reality that his internals are so bad there, theres no point.

  336. Puh leeze don’t call T Kennedy Pope of Martha’s Vineyard! Please keep MV for the Clintons! The Kennedy compound is in Hyannis on Cape Cod. They don’t much like him there, either!

  337. Agreed..if he is conceding and Drudge has her up by 11%, it must be dam close..he is setting himself up for a miraculous win or narrow defeat. This is very demoralizing. I don’t understand how the voters in PA(sans Philly) can vote for this guy.

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