Barack Obama – Party Pooper

Howard Dean and other Obama steal-the-election activists are in crisis mode.

Obama was so bloodied in the Wednesday Philadelphia debate that once again the calls are out to end the election -Now.

“End the election” before Hillary wins again.

Here is the Dean/Obama/Brazile/Pelosi worry:

Hillary has a whole lot of potential victories coming her way in the next 10 primaries. Obama, not only has losses to face, but increasing devastating scrutiny as demonstrated during Wednesday’s debate (not to mention the continuing revelations in the Rezko trial). Further, Republicans now smell Stinky’s blood in the water.

Republicans are already trashing Democrats running for office using Obama’s smears against working class whites. For instance, immediately after Obama’s condescending slap at small town America Politico published a list of
12 reasons “bitter” is bad for Obama. (We wrote about the 12 reasons and added one, HERE.

Here is reason #12:

It undermines Democratic congressional candidates who had thought that Obama would make a stronger top for the ticket than Clinton. Already, Republican House candidates are challenging their Democratic opponents to renounce or embrace Obama’s remarks. Ken Spain, press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee, said: “There is a myth being perpetuated by Democrats and even some in the media that an Obama candidacy would somehow be better for their chances down ballot. But we don’t believe that is the case.”

The advertisment to the left is a real life example of what Republicans will do to ALL Democrats running for the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives. Superdelegates take note.

Obama at the top of the ticket will force all Democrats to denounce Obama for Rezko, Wright, Bitterness. It will be wholesale slaughter at the ballot box in November in a year when Democrats expected to win.

More Politico:

A Republican candidate running to succeed retiring Rep. John Peterson in a central Pennsylvania House seat is using Barack Obama’s ‘bitter’ comments in a mail piece. [snip]

The piece underscores the extent of which Republicans, up and down the ticket, will seize on the comments should Obama get the nomination.

Cloaked Obama supporters like Howard Dean want to hurt Hillary as much as possible before she wins in Pennsylvania. Dean wants to change the conversation from Obama’s many ugly relationships and views which render him unelectable. Dean also wants to force Superdelegates to help him try to force Hillary from the race – NOW.

Dean’s bitter argument:

An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

“We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”

Howard Dean must be made to realize there will no NO HEALING – EVER – if Hillary is forced out of the race no matter how subtle the pressure. Howard Dean must be made to realize there will be NO HEALING – EVER – if Michigan and Florida voters are not respected by having their votes count the way they voted – NO BACKROOM DEALS.

Dean/Obama/Brazile/Pelosi want to use the resources of the Democratic Party to protect an inherently flawed candidate that cannot win in November.

Today, Paul Krugman once again informs in a sly way, why Obama is unelectable:

Will Barack Obama’s now famous “bitter” quote turn out to have been a big deal politically? Frankly, I have no idea.

But here’s a different question: was Mr. Obama right?

Mr. Obama’s comments combined assertions about economics, sociology and voting behavior. In each case, his assertion was mostly if not entirely wrong.

Obama wrong on economics:

Start with the economics. Mr. Obama: “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration.”

There are, indeed, towns where the mill closed during the 1980s and nothing has replaced it. But the suggestion that the American heartland suffered equally during the Clinton and Bush years is deeply misleading.

In fact, the Clinton years were very good for working Americans in the Midwest, where real median household income soared before crashing after 2000. (You can see the numbers at my blog, krugman.blogs.nytimes.com.)

We can argue about how much credit Bill Clinton deserves for that boom. But if I were a Democratic Party elder, I’d urge Mr. Obama to stop blurring the distinction between Clinton-era prosperity and Bush-era economic distress.

Obama wrong on the sociology:

Next, the sociology: “And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them.”

The crucial word here isn’t “bitter,” it’s “cling.” Does economic hardship drive people to seek solace in firearms, God and xenophobia?

It’s true that people in poor states are more likely to attend church regularly than residents of rich states. This might seem to indicate that faith is indeed a response to economic adversity.

But this result largely reflects the fact that southern states are both church-going and poor; some poor states outside the South, like Maine and Montana, are actually less religious than Connecticut. Furthermore, within poor states, people with low incomes are actually less likely to attend church than those with high incomes. (The correlation runs the opposite way in rich states.)

Over all, none of this suggests that people turn to God out of economic frustration.

Bitter Obama does not understand America:

Finally, Mr. Obama, in later clarifying remarks, declared that the people he’s talking about “don’t vote on economic issues,” and are motivated instead by things like guns and gay marriage.

That’s a political theory made famous by Thomas Frank’s “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” According to this theory, “values” issues lead working-class Americans to act against their own interests by voting Republican. Mr. Obama seemed to suggest that’s also why they support Hillary Clinton.

I was impressed by Mr. Frank’s book when it came out. But my Princeton colleague Larry Bartels, who had an Op-Ed in The Times on Thursday, convinced me that Mr. Frank was mostly wrong. [snip]

Indeed, the book concludes with a blistering attack on Democrats who cater to “affluent, white-collar professionals who are liberal on social issues” while “dropping the class language that once distinguished them sharply from Republicans.” Doesn’t this sound a bit like the Obama campaign?

Anyway, the important point is that working-class Americans do vote on economic issues — and can be swayed by a politician who offers real answers to their problems.

And one more thing: let’s hope that once Mr. Obama is no longer running against someone named Clinton, he’ll stop denigrating the very good economic record of the only Democratic administration most Americans remember.

Superdelegates are beginning to realize that Hillary shows electoral strength in places where Democrats have to either win (the big states such as Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania are must win) or do well in, if not outright win (West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas).

In the latest polls from the most reliable polling company this election cycle, Obama shows weakness in the general election even in states like Massachusetts. Obama according to these polls also loses Missouri and Ohio.

Superdelegates should note that even Republican Obama incense burners like David Brooks have decided to turn against Obama. Brooks not only is disillusioned by Obama being revealed as a typical lying politician but Brooks also notes Obama is in all likelihood doomed in November by the electoral “Math”.

He sprinkled his debate performance Wednesday night with the sorts of fibs, evasions and hypocrisies that are the stuff of conventional politics. He claimed falsely that his handwriting wasn’t on a questionnaire about gun control. He claimed that he had never attacked Clinton for her exaggerations about the Tuzla airport, though his campaign was all over it. Obama piously condemned the practice of lifting other candidates’ words out of context, but he has been doing exactly the same thing to John McCain, especially over his 100 years in Iraq comment. [snip]

It was inevitable that the period of “Yes We Can!” deification would come to an end. It was not inevitable that Obama would now look so vulnerable. He’ll win the nomination, but in a matchup against John McCain, he is behind in Florida, Missouri and Ohio, and merely tied in must-win states like Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. A generic Democrat now beats a generic Republican by 13 points, but Obama is trailing his own party. One in five Democrats say they would vote for McCain over Obama.

General election voters are different from primary voters. Among them, Obama is lagging among seniors and men. Instead of winning over white high school-educated voters who are tired of Bush and conventional politics, he does worse than previous nominees. John Judis and Ruy Teixeira have estimated a Democrat has to win 45 percent of such voters to take the White House. I’ve asked several of the most skillful Democratic politicians over the past few weeks, and they all think that’s going to be hard.

Superdelegates, take note of the above from Brooks.

Pat Buchanan foreshadows in detail, the effective Republican attack on Obama and what Democrats running in November would be forced to distance themselves from:

It was said behind closed doors to the chablis-and-brie set of San Francisco, in response to a question as to why he was not doing better in that benighted and barbarous land they call Pennsylvania.

Like Dr. Schweitzer, home from Africa to address the Royal Society on the customs of the upper Zambezi, Barack described Pennsylvanians in their native habitats of Atloona, Alquippa, Johnstown and McKeesport.

“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and … the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them.

“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

This is the pitch-perfect Hollywood-Harvard stereotype of the white working class, the caricature of the urban ethnic — as seen from the San Francisco point of view.

Buchanan underlines the deep Republican understanding of the politics of resentment and retaliation:

As Linus clung to his security blanket, Barack is saying, out-state Pennsylvanians, bitter at the world that has passed them by, cling to their Bibles and guns and naturally revert to ancestral bigotries against “people who aren’t like them” — blacks, gays and immigrants.

Though he sees himself as a progressive who has risen above prejudice, Barack was reflecting and pandering to the prejudice of the class to which he himself belongs, and which he was then addressing.

A few months back, Michelle Obama revealed her mindset about America with the remark that, “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country.” Barack has now revealed how he, too, sees the country. The Great Unifier divides the nation into us and them.

The “us” are the privileged cosmopolitan elite of San Francisco and his Ivy League upbringing. The “them” are the folks in the small towns and rural areas of that other America. Toward these folks, Obama’s attitude is not one of hostility, but of paternalism. Because time has passed them by, Barack believes, they cannot, in their frustration and bitterness, be held fully accountable for their atavistic beliefs and behavior.

Though neither mocking nor malicious, Barack’s remarks are, nonetheless, steeped in condescension. Inherent in his words is that these folks in Middle Pennsylvania are in need of empathy, education, assistance and perhaps therapy.

Ouch, Buchanan ties Obama’s race speech to his San Francisco smear:

His remarks are of a piece with his address on civil rights that liberals have compared favorably to Lincoln’s Second Inaugural.

Note, from that Philadelphia address, the highlighted words.

“Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race … as far as they’re concerned, no one’s handed them anything. … They … feel their dreams slipping away … opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense.

“Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.”

In Barack’s mind, black anger and resentment at “racial injustice and inequality” are “legitimate.” But the anger and resentment of white folks, about affirmative action, crime and forced busing are born of misperceptions — and of “bogus claims of racism” manipulated and exploited by conservative columnists and commentators to keep the racial pot boiling and retain power, so the right can continue to do the bidding of the corporations that are the real enemy.

Barack has stumbled into the eternal failing of the left-wing populist. He cannot concede that the anger of white America — that its right to equal justice has been sacrificed to salve the consciences of guilt-besotted liberals — is a legitimate anger. The truth that Barack dare not speak is that reverse discrimination is pandemic and that the folks in Middle Pennsylvania have a valid grievance that ought to be addressed.

So, Barack sought in Philadelphia to redirect their anger.

“(T)hese white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze — a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many.” [snip]

Obama’s remarks about small-town America told us little about small-town America, but a lot about Barack. He is yet another cookie-cutter liberal who has absorbed and internalized the prejudices of that blinkered breed. He is an African-American John Lindsay, the great liberal hope of the Nixon-Agnew era, of whom Frank Manckiewicz once said: He was the only populist he knew who played squash every day at the Yale Club.

The Democratic future looks grim. Dean/Obama/Brazile/Pelosi have dragged us all from a bright future to a grimy one. They disenfranchise Florida and Michigan voters and the voters of Michigan and Florida will vote their “bitterness” in November.

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  1. I copy and paste here from TM comment,

    here is one of the Philladelphia Inquirer op-ed for 4-18-08

    Back Channels: Obama’s latest gaffe belies the promise of ’04
    By Kevin Ferris

    Editor of the Editorial Page

    Sadness is the right response to Barack Obama’s now famous riff on small-town America.
    Not because he’s no longer walking on water. The Messiah of Change image started sinking when Obama lied about hearing incendiary comments from his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. The latest “misspeak” just helps confirm that he’s imperfect, like the rest of us. That’s a welcome reminder. After all, we’re awaiting a new administration, not the second coming – of Jesus, JFK or anyone else.

    No, what’s really sad is the end of the promise Obama offered from his first appearance on the national stage at the Democratic convention in 2004. There, and in subsequent speeches, was the hint that this was a man who believed in reaching out, who would be fair to all sides, who could respect those with whom he disagreed. Red state or blue. Republican, Democrat or independent.

    In 2004, he seemed to respect the beliefs and work ethic of Americans: “The people I meet in small towns . . . don’t expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead. And they want to.”

    He proclaimed: “We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the Stars and Stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.”

    Except that some of us apparently are pledging through clenched teeth, steeped in bitterness, clinging angrily to our guns, our faith and our prejudices. We fear those unlike us, refuse to understand or appreciate the world around us, and long to play lemming to demagogues seeking to divide the nation.

    Was the 2004 speech, including the plaudits for John Kerry, all baloney? Or has Obama soured on small-town America since? Did he just mangle two different ideas, as he suggested to the Inquirer Editorial Board on Monday?

    Yes, it’s a long campaign. The candidates are tired. But he’s supposed to be the young, energetic one. He’s the silver-tongued peddler of hope and change who lectured us that words matter, who insists that we move beyond politics as usual.

    Well, here’s politics as usual for Democrats: a constant drumbeat of disrespect, bordering on pathological disdain, for anyone who dares disagree on what Obama calls “the wedge issues”: abortion, guns, gay marriage, affirmative action. If you’re with them, you’re enlightened, evolved from the primordial redneck ooze. But cite moral qualms about taking the life of an unborn child, raise legitimate fears of limiting a constitutional right, worry about the demise of the traditional family, or find race-based decisions fundamentally unfair, and you’re a sexist, racist Bible-thumper.

    Are we supposed to believe it’s coincidence that, in mangling two thoughts, Obama just happened to espouse the same arrogant, condescending worldview that has scared Americans away from Democrats for decades?

    Two weeks ago, in marking the 40th anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., one of the greatest losses went unremarked: the ability of a leader to simultaneously work for much-needed change, inspire hope, and treat the opposition as human beings.

    King fearlessly challenged injustice and those who defended an immoral status quo. But he never belittled, debased or disdained those who fought him. King sought to win them over, appeal to the best in them, remind them of our common humanity – even as they jailed or beat him and his followers in the civil rights movement. He believed that self-sacrifice and the acceptance of suffering would change the hearts of his oppressors.

    Democrats and liberals – even many of today’s so-called peace activists – believe they carry King’s mantle. But righteousness long ago gave way to self-righteousness. Smugness has replaced King’s generosity of spirit. In fact, the only national leader of the last 40 years who came close to matching King’s combination of change, hope and good will was a Republican, Ronald Reagan.

    The Obama of 2004 seemed to be on a similar path. But revelations in ’08 suggest otherwise.

    A headline on National Review Online this week asked: “Will Democrats nominate yet another out-of-touch elitist?”

    The answer, sadly, is yes. That may not keep him out of the White House, but at least the mask is off. People will know exactly what they’re voting for.

    Veleteen Rabbit | 04.18.2008 – 07:48 am | #

  2. Good post, Admin.

    Still chuckling over your comment to terrondt yesterday:

    “Terrondt, beware of where you wander in the internets tonight. There are raving gangs of incense burners at certain sites furious at what happened to Obama. They are hopeless and bitter”

    ROTFLMAO!

  3. Admin,

    Just reread the article and these two excerpts really sttod oout for me. Excellent analysis.J

    Barack has stumbled into the eternal failing of the left-wing populist. He cannot concede that the anger of white America — that its right to equal justice has been sacrificed to salve the consciences of guilt-besotted liberals — is a legitimate anger. The truth that Barack dare not speak is that reverse discrimination is pandemic and that the folks in Middle Pennsylvania have a valid grievance that ought to be addressed.

    Barack has stumbled into the eternal failing of the left-wing populist. He cannot concede that the anger of white America — that its right to equal justice has been sacrificed to salve the consciences of guilt-besotted liberals — is a legitimate anger. The truth that Barack dare not speak is that reverse discrimination is pandemic and that the folks in Middle Pennsylvania have a valid grievance that ought to be addressed.

  4. Thanks basil9. We chuckled too. It was a wild night, like a scene from Julius Caesar. We did not want Terrondt to be too surprised at the complete derangement at DailyKooks and other sites. They are still hopeless and bitter. We fear for what will happen on Tuesday night. Bolt your doors.

  5. Obama made those comments in response to someone asking why he could not win the small towns. Failure for Obama is not acceptable. We saw it in the Caucuses and Primaries that he did not win, but he claims he won anyway.

    Therefore, this comment allows his ego to explain why he should not be expected to win, as it is not his fault.

    I believe that we have a person in the White House now that cannot accept lose or failure. This is obviously a character flaw.

    Of course they felt the Debate was the worsed. Of course they blamed the network. Obama and his people can not accept failure or defeat.

    It is always someone elses fault. Run, do not walk to your SuperDelegate who has endorsed Obama, and tell them to CHANGE THIER VOTE. This election is going quickly to the Republicans, and it is there job, or so I am told, to protect us from this.

    STAND UP, REVERSE YOUR VOTE, AND PROTECT US, NOW!!!!

  6. Everyone,

    Evidently the Dean headline was taken out of context. (DUH!!!!!). I just read the entire comment. He said he wasnts SD’s to endorse AFTER the last primary, by July.

    Just more spinning.

  7. Dear Super Delegates and Other Democratic Party Dignitaries,

    Once upon a time you had a dream. After the 2006 November elections, the Democratic Party thought it had finally ended its long exile in the wilderness as a minority party. With a president that most Americans were deserting and a very unpopular and seemingly unwinnable war, the Democrats retook control of congress and a majority of statehouses for the first time in years. They eagerly looked forward to the 2008 election when they would reclaim the mantle as the majority party.

    After the early win of Barak Obama in the Iowa caucuses, you were falsely misled into believing this dream was about to be transformed into a speedy reality. They said that here was the perfect candidate for 2008. Someone who had the support of the new left-rich who would finance the deal and someone who could mobilize the radicalized upper-middle class youth to serve as campaign foot solders and more importantly as bullies to dominate the caucuses and the new-found tool for the Democrat left; the internet. As a bonus, he would solidify the African-American vote. It was love at first sight. You felt confirmed that this time it was real romance by the giddy infatuation the media had on a man that audiences enthusiastically applauded when blowing his nose. The long reign of the Democrats was about to begin. Nobody would have anticipated the events now unfolding in the Democratic presidential primary would destroy the best laid plans of mice and women. And the spoiler came in the form of that very same African-American senator from Illinois, Barak Hussein Obama himself.

    A few of you may represent blue-dog Democrat constituencies at the national, state or local levels, where you could even run a blue dog at the top of your ticket and your voters will still support you. But many fellow Democratic office and potential office holders are faced with different situations. There is a block of Democrats that hold office in red areas, places that voted Democrat for the first time in ages just two years ago in protest against the Iraq war. There is even a larger bunch in mixed blue-red places. For those Democrats officeholders in red or mixed areas, having Barak Hussein Obama at the top of the ticket will most likely force many into involuntary retirement. Why? Because in your eagerness to give him the unearned crown so soon, you forgot to do your due diligence. If you continue in your negligence, you will pay the supreme price, your political heads. Even the most common of job seekers gets more vetting than you are giving the little darling.

    But we know you are all very busy these days. So to make it simple for you, what follows is Barak Hussein Obama’s revised resume for your consideration. This is what you will have the privilege of distributing to your voters if he is the nominee. If after reviewing this, you are still silly enough to support him, I can turn you on to some really good head hunters who will be to happy to assist you in your job search come late November.

    Name: Barak Hussein Obama
    Citizenship: US (and possibly Kenyan)
    Political Affiliation: Democrat, most liberal member of the US Senate. Since 1964, only two Democrats have been elected to the presidency. Both were moderates.
    Relevant Work Experience: Urban community organizer, Illinois State Senator, US Senator for 3 years, half of which has been spent campaigning for President.
    Major Legislative Accomplishments: None
    Military Experience: None
    Political Results this Nomination Cycle: Wins in mostly red states that NEVER vote Democrat for President in general elections, UNABE TO WIN EVEN ONE large traditional blue Democratic state. Under the previous nominating rules, Hillary Clinton would have already secured the nomination.
    Political Strategy: Writing off Florida and Michigan. Feels can win without them. Can’t run on experience, can’t claim to be a unifier. A tax and spend / wine and brie liberal.
    Policy Preferences: Promises to raise payroll and capital gains taxes, no promise for Universal Health Care, supported in the past complete ban on handguns
    Political Liabilities: Has little chance of gaining significant support of women, Hispanic, Asian- American, and Jewish voters in November. All voted in large majorities for his opponent. Most have been voting in increasing numbers for Republicans in preceding elections.
    Patriotic Attributes: Refuses to wear American flag pin on lapel or put hand on heart for the national anthem. Wife and potential First Lady only once in her lifetime, and then only after the nomination process began, felt proud of her country. Supported Hamas in the past.
    Persons that had Important Influence on Life: Anti-white racist Christian and Muslim religious ministers.
    Relevant Acquaintances: Co-served on organization board and socialized with senior member of terrorist Weatherman Underground, received financial and other assistance from person presently incarcerated and undergoing trial for fraud and other assorted crimes.
    Outlook on life: Feels Americans in small towns are bitter, clinging to guns and religion to get through life.
    Religion: Born Muslim but later converted to a black radical form of Christianity. Still considered Muslim under Islamic law.
    Relevant Organizational Memberships: 20 year membership in a Church whose leadership advocate anti-white racism.
    Unique Personality Traits: Poor debater (unlike Senator McCain), lack of common civility (flips off political opponents in public), sore loser, a whiner.

    A good exercise if you can spare the time might be to compare the two resumes of Senators Obama and McCain side by side. You can also do the same comparison with McCain’s but this time using the resume of Hillary Clinton. I don’t claim any mental superiority to persons as accomplished as yourselves, but I think we already know the outcome.

    Hence you might want to consider instead voting in Denver for a Clinton nomination. Supporting Obama is akin to a kamikaze mission for many Democratic office holders. Many a good soldier will not be returning to their base. There is a great risk of losing all that was gained just two years ago and any chance of Democrats returning to the status of America’s majority party. You can clearly see from the above resume that Barak Hussein Obama has no chance in a general election. The defeat in November of candidate Obama will be of such catastrophic proportions that it will set the party back for an entire political generation, especially for those Democrats in red and mixed areas, at all levels, running for office this year. You have been duly warned. Proceed at your own risk.

    Sincerely,

    Common Sense

  8. Hi I don’t often post here but I like to come and read all your post because you all seem to know what is going on I also go by TL and TM sites and of course Hillary’s . I have a questin in 69 my husband was drafted I had nothing better to do but watch the news for any info on Nam there were two groups the Black panthers and the weatherman who rasied hell and then went under ground to places like San Francisco,Washington State, Hawaii, they came out of chicago were mainly college students my question are they the left wing nuts behind Obama? If I am crazy just let me know I am getting old so my children say and out of touch.Obama makes me madder then Hell .

  9. For those of you who want to participate, here’s FDR’s daily action item, email addy, phone number and land address.

    From Florida Demands Representation
    The action item for today is to contact a member of the RBC – Ben Johnson. �Please do any of the following – as always, please forward any correspondence or comments you receive to me.
    1. Call Ben Johnson
    Tell him you are a concerned voter – you want to let him know your concern for the democratic party, its future, and want you might do if Florida votes are not counted and its delegates seated (each of you have your own ideas as to what you might do). He works with a public relations firm, Porter Novelli – the main number is 202/973-5800 and his direct number is 202/973-5899
    2. Send an email to ben.johnson@porternovelli.com
    Mr. Johnson –
    As a voter I feel Florida voters are unduly punished. I feel they are disenfranchised. I want their votes counted and their delegates seated based on Florida’s January 29th primary. Did you vote to strip their delegates completely? If so, why? How can you help restore the damage being done to our party?
    Send a snailmail letter to:
    Ben Johnson
    Porter Novelli
    501 Oneida Pl NW
    Washington, DC 20011

  10. God, he is such a sexist. In that video, he’s like analyzing her. He has almost a sneer when he talks about her. Why does anyone like this man?

  11. OMG! Admin, you are a gem. Thank you, thank you and thank you again.

    Once again your voice is a beacon, a rallying cry that we can get behind. As many of us who surf the web get lost in the miasma of negativity. You remain unflinchingly on point. You are not distracted by the attempts at misdirection.

    Thank you.

    Many have tried to point out that there was not a drop in support for Bambi as a result of his bitter comments. They use this as proof that he has a teflon coating and can survive the gaffes. They are horribly mistaken.

    Of course his numbers in the Democratic Primary didn’t take a hit. If he had significant support among the people who he insulted, he wouldn’t have needed to insult them. As NMFan points out: Obama made those comments in response to someone asking why he could not win the small towns. What many are failing to consider is that while Obama may get the nomination without the small town voter, he cannot win the WH without them. The Electorial College is a winner take all system, and he is only doing as well as he is because the Democratic Primary is not.

    My hope at this point is that the Super Delegates send a clear message to those attempting to pressure them into making a hasty decision. If they decide to endorse Hillary now, they can ensure that TPTB in the DNC will cease in their efforts to derail our nominating process.

  12. On Morning Joe there was a poll cited (can’t remember which one) that shows bittergate is having an effect. Ozomba led by 11 a couple of days ago and is now down to 7 or 8. I think it might have been the gallup poll.

  13. Oh it seems the Obamatrons are running scared, i have never seen such a concetrated effort in 1 day to railroad HRC out of the race.

    Its like Obama is trying to shoot his motherload this weekend.

    Anyone else think that his internals for PA must be dreadful, if they are running this type of scorched earth against her.

    Rassmussen trying to say its 47 to 44 in PA, bullshit.
    Everyone trying to say the debate helped him. Lol.

    Well we will see.

  14. well it’s like Obama and his elite pals in the DNC are running scared! However, they are muzzling the undecided superdelegates in hopes that she’ll crash and burn. I am terrified for her.

  15. This from Patrick Healy, NYTimes article. If the Dem primary was winner take all like it is in the GE, Clinton would have closed deal long ago.

    “Obama argues that he will put more states in play, but I haven’t seen him put the coalitions together as strongly as we need to,” said Joe Turnham, an uncommitted superdelegate who is chairman of the Alabama Democratic Party. ( Obama won the Alabama primary in February; Turnham has known the Clintons for many years.)

    “You have to put together blue-collar workers, veterans, seniors and swing evangelical voters and compete in states like West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania,” Turnham added. “I feel like Hillary has shown more strength there.”

  16. HRC needs surrogates reminding the people that she Can win. The steady drum beat of no, no, no .. they need to counteract that somehow.

  17. Thats what i dont understand, With winner take all, HRC won this already.

    considering there are no sodding caucuses in the GE, i’m surprised at the level of use this is getting.

    But yes Dot, i get the distinct feeling they know implicitly that Tuesday is going to be bad in a big way and they are trying to do as much damage to HRC now to negate it. Obama has left PA, he’s not interested in it, thats telling.

  18. “(T)hese white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze — a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many.” [snip]

    I guess Obama didn’t want to tell this to the rich capitalists attending that fund raiser.

  19. Why is Obama stumping in NC, 4 days before a huge primary, when theres 2 weeks between PA and NC. It says bluntly, i’ve lost PA, better move on to NC.

  20. On Wednesday it will be time to start calling for Obama to drop out of the contest. Let that build after Indiana. Kentucky should make it clear. He needs to get out for the good of the party. He’s to damned divisive!

  21. moonpluto,

    I agree. He’s trying to shore up NC to counter balance a PA blow-out.

    Regarding SD’s, at this point I don’t think Dean has much clout left. And for there to be a mass exodus to Ozomba is political suicide.

    If the DNC doesn’t get it’s act together, not only will they lose the GE, in a couple of years they’ll probably lose the Senate, the House or both.

  22. graphically speaking, matt shaner’s ad ^^^ is 5 star quality. regardless of its republican position, it really caught my eye and may help HRC in an ass-backwards sort-way way in PA.

  23. i still don’t understand what’s going on with this:

    us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto041620081713299199&page=2

  24. Looking at all the polls(whether you follow them or not), it looks like a 4-7% victory for Hillary in PA. BO is still, by and large, like Teflon, as any other candidates performance like the other night, would have dramatically diminished his chances. Lets hope there is a huge groudswell
    of resentment that is not yet reflected in the polls and she blows hin out in PA. NC is like SC, so BO has run to his base with the old bamboozled and hoodwinked racial crap….really sad what a phony he is.

  25. Hillary Clinton: No Wimps in the White House
    April 18, 2008 10:06 AM

    ABC News’ Eloise Harper Reports: Hillary Clinton says the White House is no place for wimps.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/hillary-clint-1.html

  26. GOD BLESS OBAMA!!!

    NO NO NO. God DAMN Obama!!!

    I realize I’m the only one on this forum sufficiently deficient in class enough to post something like that, but I’ve restrained myself for longer than I can stand it.

  27. rjk, what’s she say? Tapper has something about her previous comments on debate when they were hard on her, though frankly, in this one they both got gotcha questions.

  28. Post comments at CNN tired of these Obamatrons taking over every where.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/18/clinton-obama-complaining-about-debate/

  29. Roam Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 9:03 am
    Hi I don’t often post here but I like to come and read all your post because you all seem to know what is going on I also go by TL and TM sites and of course Hillary’s . I have a questin in 69 my husband was drafted I had nothing better to do but watch the news for any info on Nam there were two groups the Black panthers and the weatherman who rasied hell and then went under ground to places like San Francisco,Washington State, Hawaii, they came out of chicago were mainly college students my question are they the left wing nuts behind Obama? If I am crazy just let me know I am getting old so my children say and out of touch.Obama makes me madder then Hell .
    ****************************************************
    Hell Yeah!!!

    Hey I’m African American and I wouldn’t deal with that bunch he’s attached to. The HARD RADICAL LEFT, the MARXISTs, THE COMMUNISTS and the FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC TERRORISTS bunch.

    The IDIOT is so dumb he left a trail a mile long to him and his campaign…ugh. What is so frustrating to me is the utter lack of respect for the REPUGS and for BUSH/CHENEY. When you underestimate your adversary you’ll will LOSE!!!

    I NEVER forget that BUSH/CHENEY is in the White House and control the levels of power…the CIA, FBI, NIC, Justice Dept…blah, blah, blah we I’m know the shoe hasn’t drop yet and the Repugs are just scouting land and reporting back to their caves.

    I mean when have you seen Repugs give warnings out that it ain’t going to be pretty?

  30. Could I just point out that BO is just like John Kerry. Out of touch and not worthy of being a general election nom. When I first became aware of the “bitter” remarks I was reminded of a flap just before the 06 elections when dems were poised to win and here comes John Kerry with the flap about how people who join the armed services are “uneducated”. The democratic party still won big, but many wonder without the Kerry flap it could have been a much bigger win that November.

    And screw Dean.

  31. It really is incredible how the DNC is trying ot end this..they now every single day before he gets the nomination is a potential disaster as more comes out…Hillary has been way too kind in her criticism, but if they want to play “Hardball” she has nothing to lose. The party has shown it’s disdain for both her and Bill, so I say go for it. She does not need to grow old in the senate with the Kennedy’s , Kerry’s. Leahy’s and Dodds…whether she is President or not, her value to this country is much greater than any of these creeps.

  32. Thanks rjk, she is so great in that video, mature, not a kid complaining, so prepared and professional. Don’t give up Hillary!

  33. You guys, Hillary and Bill Clinton are Loyal Democrats that spent decades helping to rebuild the Democratic Party. They’ve earned are respect and admiration on the positive effect on so many Americans.

  34. Agreed..so why are they being railroaded by 4 people who have done little for our party(Dean, Pelosi, Brazille, and Obama)…………..

  35. carbynew, I am a true Liberal, leaning pretty far Left. I’m not some knee-jerk right wingnut.

    If Obama’s anti-American ties scare the shit out of ME, and I have no confidence that he loves this country, then what the hell do the Dems think the response is going to be from the more centrist and right-leaning rest of the populace?

    Trust me, as a Liberal, it takes a LOT for me to label even a politician I strongly disagree with as scarily unpatriotic. So if even the likes of me is feeling that way, it has to be pretty damn bad.

  36. Clinton’s Campus Backers Resist Draw of `Cool’ Obama Phenomenon

    By Indira Lakshmanan

    April 18 (Bloomberg) — If the Democratic primary were a high school election, Barack Obama would be the cool guy with an aura of confidence and a slew of admirers. Hillary Clinton would be the straight-A student in the Coke-bottle glasses, struggling to get the notice she deserves.
    At least that’s the view among her supporters on college campuses in Pennsylvania, where a hard-fought campaign is being waged for the April 22 primary.

    Popular-culture phenomena — from the sexy “Obama Girl” on YouTube to the celebrity-packed “Yes We Can” music video — have sealed the 46-year-old Illinois senator’s image as the candidate of the hip and youthful. Exit polls show Obama swept young voters even in states he has lost.

    Still, New York Senator Clinton, 60, has a dedicated cadre of students who dare to be square by supporting her — even if it means being scorned in public or insulted online.

    “The United States is not a high school,” Sarah Horowitz, 21, a senior at the University of Pittsburgh, said during a “Pitt for Hillary” phone-banking session at a café near campus. Obama is “the hip candidate, but a lot of people I’ve talked to don’t know why they’re supporting him.”

    `Cool Kid’

    “I don’t care if I’m not supporting `Mr. Cool,”’ said another Clinton backer, sophomore Evie Moreno, 19. “Even in high school, it’s not always the cool kid who should be elected class president.”

    Pennsylvania has the third-oldest population in the nation – – a group that solidly favors Clinton — and she is leading state polls. In previous contests, however, younger, better educated and more liberal Democrats have preferred Obama, and Pennsylvania has 700,000 college students on more than 150 campuses in a cross-section of voting districts — many whose demographics favor Obama, others that lean to Clinton.

    Voters aged 18 to 24 represent 10 percent of registered Democrats statewide, making them a group that could swing the vote in certain districts.

    Among campus political junkies, pressure to back the winner and the threat of social ostracism is real. This year, being a Clinton supporter swimming against the Obama wave can be even harder, Moreno said, than being a college Republican — a breed accustomed to being the minority on many campuses.

    Social-Networking Sites

    At the University of Pittsburgh, a public school with 37,000 students, “Pitt Students for Obama” started last fall and boasts 1,000 members on social-networking Web sites, 300 on e- mail lists and 100 active members who reach out to other student groups, register voters, staff information tables and host frequent meetings, said Sarah Posner, 21, the club’s president.

    “Students can really narrow the lead that Hillary holds in this state,” she said.

    The Obama crowd is so ubiquitous that some students supporting Clinton or the presumptive Republican nominee, Arizona Senator John McCain, 71, complain of being pestered by unsolicited Obama e-mails, text messages or sticker-wearing, clipboard-toting volunteers.

    “Pitt for Hillary” started last month, and has grown to almost 100 members, including about 15 who man tables, wave signs, canvass and make calls, said the group’s leader, Lissa Geiger, 20. She is also president of Pitt College Democrats, whose board is split between six Obama supporters and three Clinton backers.

    `De-Friended’

    Peer pressure can be brutal, students said, and some Clinton supporters have endured insults, obscenities and being “de- friended” on social networking Web sites.

    “People have been rude about it, but it just makes me work harder for her,” Moreno said. One acquaintance removed Moreno from his network of online friends after she posted a critical article about Obama on her Facebook page.

    Aileen Hall, 20, a sophomore, decided to volunteer for Clinton the night she heard guys from her dorm yelling obscenities at campus organizers.

    “It’s cool to hate Hillary, just like it’s cool to like Obama,” Horowitz said. She found a message scrawled on her Facebook page urging her to “just jump on the Obama bandwagon.”

    Emily Hawkins, 29, national youth outreach coordinator for Clinton, said it is tough to compete with Obama-mania because it is fed by celebrity supporters, such as actors Scarlett Johansson and Hill Harper of “CSI: NY.” Harper headlined the Obama debate-watching party at Pitt on April 16.

    First Daughter

    The Clinton campaign has fought back with its youth-oriented Hillblazers Web site, blogs, text-messaging and other interactive tools. Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton has stumped on more than 100 campuses nationwide.
    Hawkins said while Hillary Clinton may strike some students as less “accessible” than her rival, she offers “the strength of her leadership skills, her history of making change. I think there’s something more valuable there than hip slogans.”

  37. FROM THE FRONT LINES:

    I attended the Mayfair Diner event last night in Northeast Philly, and got to see Hillary in person for the first time in my life! Chelsea too. I shook hands with Chelsea, Gov. Ed Rendell, Mayor Michael Nutter, but just missed Hillary.

    According to the article below, there were 3,000 – 4,000 people in attendance. So what was initially planned to be an event at a diner had to be changed into a “block party”, where a stage was put in the middle of Route 13, and a cordoned off area. So I was able to view her speech from about 20 feet away. I got there around 6:00pm, waited on line for 30 minutes to go through metal detector search, then stood in my good spot for two hours (she came out to speak at 8:30).

    While waiting on line, I saw someone selling buttons, and told them that I had seen the funniest button the night before at the debate: one of the organizers from the campaign was wearing a button that said “Return Socks to the White House”, with a picture of the Clinton’s cat towering over the WH. So I was hoping to find that button.

    Then I saw the same guy. It turns out he’s been traveling from state to state for the primaries, and that he’s from Miami. A few minutes into our chat, a button seller came by, and had a few of the Socks buttons, so I bought one for my wife and one for myself (or so I thought…).

    Hill’s rousing speech focused on middle and lower class pocket book issues. This was tailored to her audience here, where NE Philly has been targeted as the key battleground in this area due to how delegates are allocated. She apologized to the crowd for not making it back here (Bill spoke at this spot in ’92) sooner, but she was warmly forgiven. I had the cellphone on so my wife at home could most of the speech, and she said “this is so cool” to be transported right into the middle of this event.

    After her speech, she spent another 30 minutes going around the perimeter to shake hands, pose for pictures, and autograph stuff. Chelse autographed my t-shirt, and I asked her if she would accept one of the Socks buttons. She took a close look at it, and you could see her light up (that was *her* cat, the stray who jumped into her arms and was taken into the Clinton household). I bet she shows it to Mom, and they can laugh about how cute the button is (and maybe also tell Betty Currie, Bill’s Secretary during his presidency).

    Tonight, canvassing that same white hot district.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    Here’s the web page of brief article, including a photo:

    http://www.frontpagenews.us/2008/04/sen-clinton-makes-campaign-stop-at.html

    Senator Hillary Clinton made a stop in the Mayfair section of Northeast Philadelphia on Thursday night. She spoke for about half an hour to about 3,000 to 4,000 people who crowded the block outside the Mayfair Diner.

    Clinton touched on familiar themes, saying she would work on education, more affordable college, and getting troops out of Iraq. She went on to talk about how Pennsylvania is a special place for her because her father grew up in Scranton. Her father went to Penn State University.

    The speech included some light-hearted moments and was well received by the crowd. Supporters were waving signs and clapping and urging others to get out to the polls on Tuesday.

  38. RGB

    thanks for that awesome birds eye view of it!!…..I am sure Chelsea will cherish that button and hillary will see it too 😀

  39. Once again, phenomenal work by you, Admin! 🙂

    Dean’s “superdelegates must choose now” is the latest in a series of failed gambits by the party’s “leaders” to force HRC out of the race. Like the other ploys, this one will not work, either.

    Pat Leahy’s plea that she should drop out; Gore and Carter were supposedly going to endorse Obama and that would ‘end’ things; wow, wouldn’t Hillary make a great Senate majority leader or Governor of NY?

    Sorry, no one’s buying it. Least of all Hillary or her supporters.

    And now Dean trying to lean on the SD’s.

    Bottom line is this, and the Obama enablers need to get this clearly through their collective head:

    Hillary isn’t leaving the race. She’s determined to take this to Denver and all of you bogus “leaders” that are prepared to let us get destroyed with Wright’s advisee are going to have to be on record with your votes on
    the Convention to that effect. You WILL be held to account, and when and if we lose badly in November, everyone knows who to thank.

    Another of the failed attempts to nudge HRC out was the hope that she would run out of money.

    Nope.

    I think Barack put it something like this: It’s amazing she’s still raising money despite her losses.

    Really, Barack?

    Maybe you forgot more Dems have voted for her than you, and counting MI and FL, about the same number of people have voted for you both. Perhaps that will temper your wonderment at the fundraising situation.

    Pretty much everyone who is backing Hillary understands the situation for this election, and future elections. This is why you will continue to see her raise
    money despite people like Pelosi, Reid and Dean trying to end things prematurely.

    So saddle up, Barry. It’s going to be a long, long ride.

    *

    On a more pleasant note, I am happy to report that the Philadelphia Daily News did publish my letter to the editor, which can be seen on their (actually their’s and the Philly Inquirer’s shared pages, I believe) page here:

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080418_Letters_to_the_Editor.html

    under my real name, Paul F. Villarreal.

    This is especially important because the Daily News just endorsed Obama, so we need to have some dissenting viewpoints on their site and many other in-the-tank-for-Obama sites and print papers.

    Similarly, I have been posting comments on their and other PA papers’ blogs voicing my support for Hillary and, when appropriate, adding links back to my and other sites so that readers can get more information on Obama (and Clinton) which many voters unfortunately have not received. And based on the counts on my own site, people are following the links at a decent clip and thus, hopefully, it is helping HRC.

    Just one small favor to ask those here, and those who read Hillaryis44. If you appreciate any of my efforts (and the efforts of others on this and any other site you like), please do me a favor and click on a few of the ads on my and my brother’s page, so it can be sustained. For most of us (not talking about Ariana H. here), if we are not supported in this manner, the site has to go bye-byes. And I know for myself — who has been banned from two of the ‘progressive’ sites — without places like Hillaryis44, TalkLeft, No Quarter, HillaryClintonForum, Politwix, my own (actually my brother’s) and many other sites of those who post here, I have no voice, and the astroturfing Axelrodians are able to run wild and con companies like ABC into thinking they are the only people who care about programming and site contents.

    Thanks for hearing me out. Anyone who is a member here is more than welcome to join there or just visit, as you prefer:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com

    Thanks. =)

    As the intensity of the primary contest rises (and I think we all know it’s going to continue to rise until and throughout Denver), we HRC supporters need safe havens to freely express ourselves w/o threats being freely laid down to us and without being troll rated out of existence or other similar intimidation tactics being not only accepted, but encouraged.

    I can assure you, that won’t happen on VillarrealSports.com, as it does not happen here. Our site doesn’t have ‘ratings,’ and louts (not to be confused with reasonable Obama supporters or other non-Hillary supporters) are removed as soon as they are discovered.

    *

    Now, I just wanted to take a chance to publicly apologize to Admin (and others on the site whom I told about this) because I said I would give him/her/they some submissions for guest posts, and I have not done so yet. Admin, I’m sorry. Between some other unforeseen commitments and working on my own site for my brother, I haven’t had the chance yet to do this but I will follow-through on what I said I would do and not back out of it like Barack seems to want to do with public financing in the general election
    (Last thing I want is to be categorized with BHO). I actually told Taylor [sorry, Taylor :(] I would get her something for her ‘guest posting’ weekend before last Thursday and that never materialized, either, so I’m kind of in the doghouse as far as my ‘editors’ are concerned, all the way around. 😉

    I will say this, however: You set a high bar, Admin, and that is good. We all (including the numerous media who drop in and the Obama campaign, too, though they would never admit it) appreciate what you do, and H is 44 is my first stop when I want to get information about Hillary, because of your efforts and the great work of all the other posters here.

    There are 4 spots I always stop by when I want to get information about Hillary: This site, Taylor’s site, No Quarter and Talk Left. Those are 4 sites I pretty much go to every day, often multiple times per day.

    *

    I’m pumped, because Bill is going to be speaking nearby me tomorrow. I’m going to go check it out, and maybe this time I can get a pic with him. We’ll see. If he’s running on time, hopefully he’ll take some questions from the audience, too. I’m going to try to take some footage of the event (I have some from the last event but haven’t had time to put it up on YouTube yet). Should be fun and it’s exciting because we’re in the stretch run for PA and it’s time to open up the lead here.

    Hope you all are having a great day. It’s a beautiful spring day here in NEPA.

    🙂

    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” AKA “RokSki”

  40. Just sent this to that prick, Dean:

    Dear Mr. Dean,

    Your comments to CNN addressing super delegates and telling them to choose now are preposterous.

    Your comments and your actions in barring Michigan and Florida voters from having a say in this primary are hypocritical and destructive to our Democracy. To encourage super delegates to make their decision now, prior to these final ten states conducting their own fair and free elections, makes our country seem like a banana republic.

    I have previously opted out of receiving information or donation requests from the DNC. I will continue to do so until we have a new chairman as you, sir, are ill-equipped to hold such a title. I hope that you do the right thing and step down now before you destroy our party and cost us, not only this election, but many more to come.

  41. I wanted to ad “And fuck you. In the ass.” But it seemed a bit much considering he’s already on his knees….

  42. rjk, I didn’t see the 9 point thing.

    You know, I think Colbert did Hill a favor last night. She showed her humor. BO was humorless and sorry for himself.

  43. Right guys i think its time to start throwing it backin his face, lets make it clear, WHEN Hrc wins PA on Tuesday Night, its time to make a loud ass call for him to withdraw from this race.

    We need to make a big stand for her now. If he cannot win the big states of population in this country, then time to stand aside.

  44. mj, the 9 pt thing was there about 3/4 of the way thru. And 👿 wasn’t humorless. he was smug as he is apt to be. His wife was a dud BTW. I just sat there shaking my head at what a louse she is. And then to see that pompous, elitist asshole last night, it upset my stomach…

  45. Also we should all also email gloria Berger on CN on Tuesday night and get her to hold up to what she said on Super Tuesday because she said it clear. She said

    Clinton has won Califonia, if she wins Ohio and Texas and then goes on to Win Pennsylvania, then she’s got the right to say hey I’m the nominee because she will have won all the major states in the Union.

  46. Low grade coverage all around right now, they’re tamping down the heat of PA race to minimize Hill’s big upcoming victory.

    Ok, so where is the campaign blasting him for giving her the finger?!

    And if we’re going to be calling him the crybaby he is, let’s say it more than once!

  47. That’d be good Moonpluto.

    Don’t forget to tell her when you can see past the pom-poms she’s always waving for BO, she looks like an old whore with all that makeup.

    See, now that wasn’t nice. I need some air.

  48. I just want to talk about the Million Man March, This issue will not hurt Obama because the Million MAn March was a coordinated event with multiple African American organizations…from traditional…to the NOI.

    Although it was Farrakhan idea, it was a “take a village” kind of thing for Black American men to address their issues. It was not so much a political event, as more of a public/social public event or wake-up call for Black Males to take responsibility of the terrible conditions in the African American Communites.

    That’s why Farrakhan was able to bring in a diverse representation because it was not suppose to be a recruitment into the Nation of Islam. The mission was narrowly focus on what we as a community could do to improve the lives of so many that were falling into the traps of death, drugs, prison, single family, literacy and poverty.

    My brother went and he was a LA deputy sheriff at the time and he said with was the most inspirational time in his life…they heard speeches and went to workshops, networked but most importantly was to see a million Black men coming together peacefully to discuss ways to improve the social ills in our communities.

    You had to make a commitment to go back home and help your fellow man. From mentorships, to starting or helping someone start a business in their community. From being more involve with keeping children in school to being little league coaches…they wanted Black men to be accountable, responsible and positive role models in their communities. A lot a very good organizations came out of the first Million Man March.

  49. i think her interview today on fox29

    was her “finger” back at him in a much more adult/presidential way 😀

    obama got the message loud and clear!!!……..and so did america

  50. “Tony Rezko’s friends and family have put together $8 million for his bail. The Judge has said she will rule today on whether she will grant him bail with a condition of home confinement.”

    Maybe BO can put up his house for collateral.

  51. Yeah, I agree. The million mn march was about empowering men who really needed to feel some empowerment. After this election, we women are definately going to need a million woman march, hopefully all the way to the WH.

  52. There are two new polls out of Pennsylvania that were in the field yesterday, the first full day after the debate. And as you might expect, we’re getting some mixed messages.

    Zogby, which began its Pennsylvania daily tracking poll yesterday, showed Clinton gaining a net 3 points when the 17th, the day after the debate, was added to its 2-day rolling average.

    Candidate April 16-17 April 15-16
    Clinton 47 45
    Obama 43 44

    It’s Zogby & Rasmussen. Nuff said.

  53. Springsteen’s Irrational Rationale:

    In his endorsement of BO, the Boss said:

    “At the moment, critics have tried to diminish Senator Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships. While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man’s life and vision… often in order to distract us from discussing the real issues: war and peace, the fight for economic and racial justice, reaffirming our constitution, and the protection and enhancement of our environment.”
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    First, does he want us to believe that only Hillary is playing dirty politics of distortion and exaggeration? I guess when you view the world through bias-tinted glasses, everything looks the way you want it to look.

    And Hillary is the one that started talking about real issues. Okay, Edwards deserves a lot of credit for leading the way. But Hillary had been the one that was the policy-oriented candidacy. In fact, all the talking heads kept saying that she needed to get less wonkish if she wanted to appeal to “regular voters”.

    Obama, instead, coasted on this Cult of Personality, devoid of issues-based substance. He only had to start filling in the blanks when everyobne started asking, “Where’s the Beef”. So then he co-opted every Hillary position so he could essentially say, “There’s hardly any difference between our positions, but you it like when the exact same words come out of my mouth rather than hers”.

    Except that they’re not the same. Krugman’s expositions into how BO’s health care plan is a much less cost-effective plan than Hillary’s mandated health care proposal, is just one solid example. There are many more. Granted, compared to the Republicans, they are closer to each other on the spectrum.

    &&&&
    So Bruce, just admit you like Obama’s Talk, about being anti-war, that he’s a Lefty’s lefty. Don’t undercut Hillary’s reputation. Don’t sell me a bridge. And by the way, once Barry joined the big leagues, his anti-war stance became just as middle of the road as most of the other mainstream Dems. Or you could have supported Dennis Kucinich, one of the only real anti-war Democratic Senators.

    You’re entitled to your opinion, and we Hillary folks are all about that. Now why don’t you go prosthelitize to the Obama-freak squads terrorizing mydd and dkos and huffpo. The Spanish Inquisition of the Internet.

  54. Yup yet another Obama supporter for radicals and terrorists and yet another that will be up to us to get on the front page.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=61907

    Instead, the new media was left to pick up and disseminate how one of Barack Obama’s presidential campaign bundlers is Jodie Evans – a political ally to Venezuelan dictator, Hugo Chavez, and an advocate for Islamic militants.

    There are new details coming to light of the transgressions made by Obama’s campaign bundler and an even closer relationship between Ms. Evans and the candidate himself than what we knew last week.

    Helping fuel this fire has been the continuous research by Washington, D.C., conservative citizen activist, Kristinn Taylor, who has been digging into Ms. Evan’s ties to Obama’s campaign for the past few months.

    The bottom line for Barack Obama is this: Jodie Evans has become the new Jeremiah Wright – only on estrogen.

    A radical anti-American activist who has also supported Fidel Castro’s regime in addition to Hugo Chavez, Jodie Evans’ ties to Barack Obama first appeared in reports from the Federal Elections Commission, or FEC, which showed that Evans gave the maximum amount allowed by law to the Obama for America campaign committee in February 2007. You can see the FEC filing here.

    We are now learning that Evans was also a relentless leader in the back-room effort to steal away Hillary Clinton’s Hollywood supporters, by pressuring them with the rationale that Clinton was too willing to support the missions of U.S. troops in the war on terror.

    Under Evans’ leadership, Code Pink put together an anti-Clinton website called http://www.ListenHillary.org and instructed supporters to heckle Clinton at public and private events because they felt she was being too pro-military.

    Just as Barack Obama used radical black pastor Jeremiah Wright to rally extremists in black churches (including some tied to the militant Black Panther organization) to support his campaign, Obama’s team was similarly plotting strategies with Jodie Evans to raise money from anti-American forces for Obama’s campaign, as well as working to disrupt Sen. Clinton’s campaign appearances and organization.

    The recent filing by Barack Obama’s presidential campaign showcasing Evans as an agent of the Obama campaign to bundle money from those who wish to bring down the institutions of the United States should be front-page news.

    Instead, so far the media has been blindly uninterested in reporting on this scandal.

    But American voters deserve to know the truth. So here are the words of Obama’s reverend of the church of anti-Americanism, Jodie Evans, calling upon Iraqi insurgents and terrorists to resist U.S. troops and use violence to defeat the forces of the United States military:

    “We must begin by really standing with the Iraqi people and defending their right to resist. I can remain myself against all forms of violence, and yet I cannot judge what someone has to do when pushed to the wall to protect all they love. The Iraqi people are fighting for their country, to protect their families and to preserve all they love. They are fighting for their lives, and we are fighting for lies.” (AlterNet, June 26, 2005)

    The elite media might not yet be interested in the scandalous ties between one of the most prominent anti-American activists and Sen. Barack Hussein Obama, but I know someone who is.

    Averill “Ace” Smith, the master of opposition research and now one of Hillary’s top campaign operatives could leak it to his favorite shill for the Washington Post, New York Times, ABC, NBC, CBS.

    Then watch the “bitter” family quarrels really erupt.

  55. Could someone clarify who gave whom “the finger”, and the context… i don’t know nuthin’ ’bout it.

  56. from a TM poster:

    well…obama just lost all the pro-life people:

    “And you need to be concerned more with the war than with abortion because if you truly cared about the value of human life, you’d realize that this war has killed more people since in inception than abortion has.”

  57. here rgb44hrc – take a look at this video – Obama flips the bird when he’s talking about Clinton:

    swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_fingers_a_gotcha_debate.html

  58. hoof in mouth diesase again. Ahuh yeah he keeps digging, why doesnt he just hire a jcb digger and dig faster and wider.

  59. Springsteen has become an elitist himself. He is nothing like the kid that use to take the stage of the Stone Pony in Asbury Park back in the ’70’s.

  60. # rjk1957 Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Looks like “The Obama” is trying to get Rezko out of the country before he drops a bomb on his house of cards.
    ***************************

    certainly seems like some group is trying to protect him

  61. Nice one, MoonPluto. If only these things mattered.

    This guy’s associations are just rancid, but BM will never give it traction minus viral video that rages and takes a life of it’s own to the point they can’t ignore it. I wish it weren’t so.

    Hopefully the SD’s will consider this mountain of evidence.
    FOX news, in a GE, with a Hugo Chavez link?

    Forget about it….

  62. That video is clearer than any of the rest, its a classic giving the finger to someone secretly in conversations.

  63. what has happened the the bird video’s? Did that story have legs? Now we have ties to Hugo Chavez? What is wrong with Dean, Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy? Why would they put this guy out there?

  64. Gallup:

    These results are based on interviewing conducted April 15-17, with Thursday night’s interviewing the first conducted following the April 16 debate in Philadelphia. The initial indications are that Obama may have been hurt by the debate, which was noted for its negative tone and focus on the candidates’ recent “gaffes” and Obama’s associations with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers (a former member of the radical Weather Underground group).

    In Thursday night’s interviewing, Clinton received a greater share of national Democratic support than Obama, the first time she has done so in an individual night’s interviewing since April 3. That stronger showing for Clinton helped to snap Obama’s streak of statistically significant leads in the three-day rolling averages Gallup reports each day. Until today, he had led Clinton by a statistically significant margin in each of the prior 11 Gallup releases.

    The full impact of the debate — and the ensuing media coverage of it — will be apparent in the coming days, and it will soon be clear if the debate has produced a shift back to a more competitive race, or if Clinton may have received just a temporary boost in support.

  65. Wow, the main thrust of gallups poll

    “The initial indications are that Obama may have been hurt by the debate, which was noted for its negative tone and focus on the candidates’ recent “gaffes” and Obama’s associations with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers (a former member of the radical Weather Underground group)”.

    Which means oh yes he did tank in that debate and now we know why the obatrons are scarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred.

  66. Springsteen is no John “Cougar” Mellencamp, now he is supporting Hillary Clinton( I Think), if wrong please correct me. He has been fighting for the family farmers and middle american for a long, long time.

    And he is not one to compromise his integrity.

    Springteen…puhleese, Obama is not a movement, he’s a arrogant, know it all narcissist..

  67. Ininla, that is the clearest video of the “finger” so far, the obamatrons have been saying, its not true, he raised 2 fingers, now we know he didnt, get that video to Hannity asap.

  68. The Guardian’s coverage of Springsteen’s endorsement

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/17/barackobama.uselections2008

    contains this delightful bit of humor:

    But Obama’s decision to keep the row alive appears to have hurt his chances. Preliminary polls show that his recent gains against Clinton have stalled. That could leave Clinton with the big win in Pennsylvania that she hopes will turn around her campaign.

    However, even if Clinton takes Pennsylvania, it could prove an empty victory. Washington Post-ABC News opinion polls yesterday showed her overall support continues to crumble. Some 51% of Democrats would prefer to see Obama as the party’s nominee against 41% for Clinton.

    Democrats now consider Obama to be more electable than her by a 2:1 margin. Her unfavourable ratings have also risen – up to 54% among Democrats and nearly 60% among independents.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    So no matter what she does, just throw it all away and nominate Obama no matter what. Even if she pulls ahead in popular vote. Even if she pulls ahead in committed dels… and total dels.

    And if her unfavorables are so high, why does she keep winning primaries in big states? Maybe it’s not a popularity contest, like King and Queen of the Prom, but that she’s so much more qualified that even people who hate her are determined to vote for her anyway?

    Or are these polls mostly mind-washing tools? “I hear polls say that 95% hate Clinton, 92% say she can’t win, boy, sounds like she’s a total loser”.

    Yeah, these media orgs want to manipulate public opinion. Believe them at your own peril.

    You know those tiny little countries with “benevolent dictators”, who are always predicted to win by a landslide. Every once in a while, Democracy stops in for a visit, and the People’s real will carries the day. You f###ing bast##ds.

  69. And the big viewship for the debate belies the MSM’s argument that there have been too many debates and nobody cares about them.

  70. I wanted to ask some of our PA residents, or anyone who might know, what’s your sense of how HRC will do in Philadelphia? Is it possible for her to win there even by a few points? Or is it more realistic to try to keep it close?

  71. Her unfavorables are 50% among dem’s? Lord, I don’t know any Dem who dislikes her. Who are these people?

  72. plural,

    It MOST CERTAINLY does. Fine point.

    10 million viewers, and the numbers got bigger as the debate wore on.

    Don’t think we’ll hear BO mention THAT on the stump!

    I’d love to see Hill put on big pressure right now for a NC debate.
    The punk is looking to escape ANY chance of facing tough questions the rest of the way.

  73. NYT op/ed piece by conservative David Brooks, from today, which illustrates how Republicans are licking their chops and hoping Obama’s the nominee: they can see how weak he’d be against McCain…

    ———–
    April 18, 2008
    Op-Ed Columnist
    How Obama Fell to Earth
    By DAVID BROOKS

    Back in Iowa, Barack Obama promised to be something new — an unconventional leader who would confront unpleasant truths, embrace novel policies and unify the country. If he had knocked Hillary Clinton out in New Hampshire and entered general-election mode early, this enormously thoughtful man would have become that.

    But he did not knock her out, and the aura around Obama has changed. Furiously courting Democratic primary voters and apparently exhausted, Obama has emerged as a more conventional politician and a more orthodox liberal.

    He sprinkled his debate performance Wednesday night with the sorts of fibs, evasions and hypocrisies that are the stuff of conventional politics. He claimed falsely that his handwriting wasn’t on a questionnaire about gun control. He claimed that he had never attacked Clinton for her exaggerations about the Tuzla airport, though his campaign was all over it. Obama piously condemned the practice of lifting other candidates’ words out of context, but he has been doing exactly the same thing to John McCain, especially over his 100 years in Iraq comment.

    Obama also made a pair of grand and cynical promises that are the sign of someone who is thinking more about campaigning than governing.

    He made a sweeping read-my-lips pledge never to raise taxes on anybody making less than $200,000 to $250,000 a year. That will make it impossible to address entitlement reform any time in an Obama presidency. It will also make it much harder to afford the vast array of middle-class tax breaks, health care reforms and energy policy Manhattan Projects that he promises to deliver.

    Then he made an iron vow to get American troops out of Iraq within 16 months. Neither Obama nor anyone else has any clue what the conditions will be like when the next president takes office. He could have responsibly said that he aims to bring the troops home but will make a judgment at the time. Instead, he rigidly locked himself into a policy that will not be fully implemented for another three years.

    If Obama is elected, he will either go back on this pledge — in which case he would destroy his credibility — or he will risk genocide in the region and a viciously polarizing political war at home.

    Then there are the cultural issues. Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos of ABC News are taking a lot of heat for spending so much time asking about Jeremiah Wright and the “bitter” comments. But the fact is that voters want a president who basically shares their values and life experiences. Fairly or not, they look at symbols like Michael Dukakis in a tank, John Kerry’s windsurfing or John Edwards’s haircut as clues about shared values.

    When Obama began this ride, he seemed like a transcendent figure who could understand a wide variety of life experiences. But over the past months, things have happened that make him seem more like my old neighbors in Hyde Park in Chicago.

    Some of us love Hyde Park for its diversity and quirkiness, as there are those who love Cambridge and Berkeley. But it is among the more academic and liberal places around. When Obama goes to a church infused with James Cone-style liberation theology, when he makes ill-informed comments about working-class voters, when he bowls a 37 for crying out loud, voters are going to wonder if he’s one of them. Obama has to address those doubts, and he has done so poorly up to now.

    It was inevitable that the period of “Yes We Can!” deification would come to an end. It was not inevitable that Obama would now look so vulnerable. He’ll win the nomination, but in a matchup against John McCain, he is behind in Florida, Missouri and Ohio, and merely tied in must-win states like Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. A generic Democrat now beats a generic Republican by 13 points, but Obama is trailing his own party. One in five Democrats say they would vote for McCain over Obama.

    General election voters are different from primary voters. Among them, Obama is lagging among seniors and men. Instead of winning over white high school-educated voters who are tired of Bush and conventional politics, he does worse than previous nominees. John Judis and Ruy Teixeira have estimated a Democrat has to win 45 percent of such voters to take the White House. I’ve asked several of the most skillful Democratic politicians over the past few weeks, and they all think that’s going to be hard.

    A few months ago, Obama was riding his talents. Clinton has ground him down, and we are now facing an interesting phenomenon. Republicans have long assumed they would lose because of the economy and the sad state of their party. Now, Democrats are deeply worried their nominee will lose in November.

    Welcome to 2008. Everybody’s miserable.

  74. If more people are watching, that means more people are interested in this primary. And also that if Obama looked like he didn’t know what he was talking about, people would notice who may not have been paying much attention before.

  75. Fox News is covering Finger Gate…

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/18/did-obama-give-a-flip-response-to-clinton-attacks/

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    I have to say, this is great stuff because it’s the kind of material that goes viral and hits the right younger demographic on Youtube. Even if most media thinks this is a trifle, the “urban legend” of it will spread.

  76. My mama always said “Be careful how you choose your friends”.

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    Obama Endorsement Costs Oprah Fans
    James Joyner | Wednesday, April 9, 2008

    Costas Panagopoulos, director of Fordham University’s Center for Electoral Politics and Democracy, has studied Oprah Winfrey’s popularity polls over the years and found that her ratings “plummeted” after endorsing Barack Obama — “almost instantly.”

    For the whole deal, go to:

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/04/obama_endorsement_costs_oprah_fans/

  77. Flip flap: What was Obama doing with that finger?

    rawstory.com/news/2008/Flip_flap_What_was_Obama_doing_0418.html

  78. Note to Brooks: I am not miserable. My candidate is really outstanding, and I am very happy with her.

    “Clinton has ground him down”? Baloney.

  79. Plural,
    The one thing all the BM spinning usually cannot do is override the initial impression viewers/voters/people get in their gut. Usually.

    We’re dealing with an unprecedented wall of spin, but that intense focus on the part of the voters bodes well not just in PA, but in the remaining states.

    Hopefully more people will see BO & the BM for what it is.

  80. College girls who support this loser need to go back to highschool. They can’t even recognize sexism when it is staring them in the face. Obama’s a sexist pig, and look at the sexist language the press always uses about Hill. She’s always “attacking” him. Pigs.

  81. FOX NEWS FRAMED THAT ARTICLE GREAT!

    I LEFT MY COMMENT 😀

    THAT IS DISGUSTING!! OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE AND NEEDS TO DROP OUT OF THE RACE!!…. HE IS A DISGRACE TO AMERICA!!

  82. The lyrics, the lyrics, the lyrics.

    The ones in the song BO was referencing when he ‘dusted off his shoulders’. That’s the tie-in.

    Ill go get’em….

  83. He was the one who demanded Hillary’s first lady’s schedules, then the Clintons’ tax returns, because supposedly there was some dirt in them somewhere. This rates as pretty negative in my book.

  84. I just left this comment on that report on fox

    “Absolutely disgusting,
    I’ve seen this video even closer head on
    swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_fingers_a_gotcha_debate.html
    and it is absolutely clear he is doing the finger at Hillary, no doubt. He slams her, then pauses, smirks, does the bird and smirks again. I find it disgusting, that this man talks all hope and change and cannot afford Mrs Clinton some respect.Shame on you Barack and to think there were children there watching your display of nasty contempt and rudeness.

  85. You’re now tuned into the muh’fuckin greatest
    Turn the music up in the headphones
    Tim, you can go and brush your shoulder off nigga
    I got you, yeah

    [Chorus: Jay-Z]
    If you feelin like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off
    Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
    Niggaz is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you
    Get, that, dirt off your shoulder

    [Verse One]
    I probably owe it to y’all, proud to be locked by the force
    Tryin to hustle some things, that go with the Porsche
    Feelin no remorse, feelin like my hand was forced

    ***Middle finger to the law, nigga grip’n my balls***

    All the ladies they love me, from the bleachers they screamin
    All the ballers is bouncin they like the way I be leanin
    All the rappers be hatin, off the track that I’m makin
    But all the hustlers they love it just to see one of us make it
    Came from the bottom the bottom, to the top of the pots
    Nigga London, Japan and I’m straight off the block
    Like a running back, get it man, I’m straight off the block
    I can run it back nigga cause I’m straight with the Roc

  86. I seen an article yesterday,it was a fairly recent one, where he stated the music he was currently listening to was this group!!

  87. You can always tell BO just royally screwed up every time he starts rolling out the endorsements. He tries to make it look like he really has momentum & whatever has just happened is no big deal.

  88. His support is among millions of young people(ignorant) and guilty affluent white people who want to say “they” elected the first AA Prez….it is the biggest fairytale we have ever seen…

  89. Okie,
    david Boren was never any fucking good, he looked to hold BC hostage on the vote for the 93 budget, you know, the one that saved the Goddamned country!

    I long ago expected every miserable, two-bit, two-faced loser in the Dem party to try and weasel their way into BO’s good graces.

    It’ll be a long list, but paybacks are a b*tch and will be oh so enjoyable!

    I feel good about how things are turning!!!

  90. I remember the maneuvering on the 1993 budget. It was a disgrace to the Democrats, but typical in how they don’t have a clue how to support their presidents.

  91. Obama is probably trying to assimilate to the AA community. He probably had to take lessons on how to appreciate rap: “So it’s okay to use the “N” word in this context?”

  92. The Nation — Barack Obama is clearly taking that abysmal ABC News debate in stride. He told his supporters not to fret about all the “textbook Washington” drama on Thursday, recounting the superficial moderators and Hillary Clinton’s attempts to “twist the knife” on trivial issues. Then Obama made pop cultural history, miming the rapper Jay-Z’s iconic hand signal to “brush the dirt” off his shoulders.

    That popular youth gesture grew out of “Dirt Off Your Shoulder,” a hit song in 2003. As Wikipedia explains, it refers to “getting enemies off your chest by brushing your shoulders off.” Blogger Spencer Ackerman, who regularly mixes political analysis with hip hop references, immediately heralded the move as “perhaps the coolest subliminal cultural reference in the history of American politics.” A YouTube clip of the cultural moment, uploaded by the Obama Campaign, swiftly drew over 100,000 views on Thursday. And then the mashups started.

    On Thursday night, YouTuber Bill3948 uploaded a one-minute mash-up of Jay-Z songs, Clinton attacks and Obama’s inspired response. The sequence opens with clips of Clinton’s cheap shots, accompanied by the Jay-Z ballad “Moment of Clarity,” pivots to lowlights from the ABC debate, and then scores Obama’s response with the original “Dirt Off Your Shoulder” track. While Obama brushes, graphics of Hillary, Bill and Charlie Gibson fly off his shoulders. Then he shakes off a kitchen sink — a nod to Clinton’s desperate strategy — as Jay raps about hanging out “in the kitchen with soda.” It’s a fun, sharp extension of Obama’s call to brush off some of the ridiculous attacks: (More after the clip.)

    Obama really is a Jay-Z fan, too. When asked which hip hop artists he likes in a recent interview, he said, “lately I’ve been listening to a lot of Jay-Z — this new American Gangster album.” But he also stressed his opposition to the degrading and materialistic themes that run through too many hip hop albums:

    I love the art of hip hop. I don’t always love the message of hip hop. There are times when even … with the artists I named — the artists I love, you know — there’s a message that is not only sometimes degrading to women; not only uses the n-word a little too frequently; but also something I’m really concerned about, it’s always talking about material things. Always talking about how I can get something. How I’ve got more money…

    Update: MTV picks up the mashup with “Obama Finds His Inner Jigga, Scores Zillions More ‘Youth’ Votes,” linking to Ackerman’s compliment and this post. The video made the fourth top rated clip in YouTube’s “news and politics” section on Friday — watch for it to go viral over the weekend.

  93. This is disgusting. He should be asked to step down:

    At Obama Victory Event, Campaign Played Jay-Z’s “99 Problems (But A Bitch Ain’t One)”
    New York Post | January 14, 2008 09:34 AM

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    Buzz up!on Yahoo!PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate’s theme song.

    As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z’s “99 Problems” was blaring. In it, Jay raps, “I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one.”

    Some listeners took it as a not-so-sly reference to Hillary.

    “We didn’t know he used that,” a shocked Clinton spokesperson said.

  94. Plural,

    Nearly every single person that gave them a hard time back then (save Cosmic Bob Kerry) has flipped on them in this race.
    So everyone I thought a secret (and not so secret) Clinton enemy has shown their true colors.

    Not that I’m so bright (heaven knows!), it’s just obvious, the fault line in the party.

    So don’t get upset. or try not to. Because these people are WRONG.

  95. ““We didn’t know he used that,” a shocked Clinton spokesperson said.”

    Hello!!! Someone want to wake the F up over there!

    We were ranting about that one incessantly.

    NOW LOOK AT THE LYRICS & TIE IT TO HIS FLIPPING THE BIRD!

    I’m leaving now, ya’ll can have your board back. Sorry.
    I’m just hot today.

  96. Blue Democrat,

    I often think the Dems really aren’t tired of losing. With everything on the line this coming election- the Supreme Court being the most important- I’d want as close to a sure thing as possible. It’s already tougher for a dem to get to 270 electoral votes because of the R’s hold on the south and a lot of interior and western states. So you’d think some of these guys would put their petty grudges aside to choose someone who is strong in the blue & swing states plus won’t be swiftboated.

  97. LOL Finger-gate is such a loser for Bambi…I hope he thinks it was worth it, but really, what does it mean on the street if you’re busted for your down low finger and have to back down?

    So either he had an itch and didn’t have the self control to avoid making a rookie public speaking mistake or he got busted and had to back down.

    As for the gyration and down-low fist gesture when he said Hillary just had to get her digs in. What does that mean? I can’t think that it’s a good thing on the street to admit that you got…well, we all know what that vulgar gesture means…by a woman.

    Obviously, Hillary can’t make these points but they may be useful around the water cooler.

  98. nikki22, that would mean the dems in charge of such things would have to use their brains! They don’t!

  99. What an arrogant, sexist, and elitist pig. He just keeps getting worse.

    Hillary has to win or I’ll be voting for McCain.

  100. The negatives that are going up are skewed, just like the polls! I hear more and more people say that Obama scares the hell out of them and they would take either Hillary or McCain, but definitely not Obama! I live in a red state and 1 yr ago they would have never said that about Hillary! I work with on lady that told me she wishes she could take her vote for huckabee back, so she could vote for Hillary!

  101. confloyd,

    A poster at Taylor’s site made a good point about these polls: Without any of the supporting details, like how they conducted it, sampling methodology, etc, they really aren’t worth the paper they’re written on. You can make a poll say whatever you want it to say!

  102. rjk1957,
    Thanks! What about Bucks County? I’ve read that’s a really well off part of PA so it should be BO territory. Or am I wrong on that?

  103. ESPN YANKS PLANNED INTERVIEW WITH OBAMA

    http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/espn%20yanks%20planned%20interview%20with%20obama_1065948

    Saying that ESPN “fans don’t expect political coverage on our outlets,” a spokesman for the Disney-owned cable sports network has acknowledged that it has canceled a planned podcast interview with Barack Obama and columnist Bill Simmons. (The network had once hired political commentator Rush Limbaugh to provide color commentary on its football telecasts but fired him after one appearance for alleged racist remarks.) The New York Daily News reported that the interview had been yanked at the last minute and was the second time an interview with the Democratic front-runner, an inveterate basketball fan who sometimes plays pick-up basketball in his neighborhood (and on the morning TV talk shows), had been spiked. However, ESPN spokesman Josh Krulewitz said later that the network would reevaluate its position “when they’re down to the final candidates.” The network’s decision inspired hundreds of blog posts on various sports-related Internet sites. One wag suggested that if Obama becomes the Democratic candidate, ESPN could interview him about basketball and John McCain about shuffleboard.

    17/04/2008

  104. This is a long wait. I wonder who decided it should be 6 weeks between Texas and Pennsylvania? I think Dean 48 state strategy is ridiculous, Hillary should have won this thing already!

  105. nikki22,
    Bucks county is really Clinton Country. I was there campaigning this weekend and the support for HRC is very, very strong. Northern bucks county is all repub. She’ll win Bucks big time.

  106. Usually on Friday afternoon something is droped from the Obama campagine ie… SD or an endrosement, what will it be today? Also won’t he be in PA all weekend?

  107. “With everything on the line this coming election- the Supreme Court being the most important- I’d want as close to a sure thing as possible.”

    You’re a smart cookie, Nikki.

  108. Blue, word here when David came back in disgrace to OU was he was losing his security clearance because of the change at the CIA in leadership. he no longer had inside protection. His security clearance couldn’t be revoked without hardship bc of his position as the head of the intelligence committee. The reason for the threatened revocation of clearance- ass raping his male aides after plying them with liquor when Molly was off on shopping trips.

  109. I just sent one to Geoff.

    Pray he reads it & watches video.

    Must get some air, overly pumped up today!

  110. nikki22
    Parts of Bucks county are extremely wealthy and should lean towards Obama. Deleware County will be the key suburb (I think) it is a large county that for years was Republican and is now leaning democratic. A win there plus staying close in Phila and Hillary will have many in the DNC in real panic mode come Wednesday morning.

  111. I suspect, it was put in as “not necessary”, they didnt expect it to go this far and if it did, they had a buffer zone to kill someone off, except to quote Mrs Thatcher “The lady is not for turning”.

  112. In fact Clinton is our “Iron Lady” our Mrs Thatcher, someone who could sort a country right out.

  113. How significant is Jay Z to Obama??

    Here is everything i found on Jay z and obama from this last year

    US Presidential candidate Barack Obama embraces Jay-Z
    Democratic hopeful also talks to Kanye West
    Jan 9, 2008

    US Presidential hopeful Barack Obama plans to utilize hip-hop artists to educate American people, should he be elected as the Democrat candidate.

    Obama has already been dubbed “B-Rock” by Vibe Magazine, has managed to capture the imagination of the American hip-hop community.

    The senator has confirmed that he plans to utilise hip-hop artists to educate American people, should he be elected as the Democrat candidate and then make it as President.
    Speaking on US TV show ‘What’s In It For Us’ he explained: “I’ve met with Jay-Z. I’ve met with Kanye (West). And I’ve talked to other artists about how potentially to bridge that gap.”

    He added: “There are times, even on the artists I’ve named, the artists that I love, that there is a message that’s sometimes degrading to women, and uses the N-word a little too frequently.”

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    Monday :: Jan 14, 2008 Jay-Z and Barack Obama

    by Jeff Dinelli Truth is, indeed, stranger than fiction. After a couple of weeks of jokingly predicting Sen. Barack Obama’s☼ new campaign theme (“No Woman No Cry” was the most popular with friends), it turns out Obama’s camp in reality came up with a much nastier one for the Iowa victory party. While Barack and Michelle entered the Iowa hall, waving and thanking supporters, Jay-Z’s “99 Problems (But A Bitch Ain’t One)” was pumping out of the loudspeakers. Now, I’m not suggesting Obama is the DJ for these events, I’m not even saying he gave the real DJ a list of songs he wanted played, like you do at your wedding reception. But his claims of running a “clean campaign” are ringing hollow at this point. While he still hasn’t apologized to the GBLT community for having crazed homophobe Rev. Donnie McClurkin on the payroll, his campaign has insinuated that Sen. Hillary Clinton’s☼ campaign has a racist undercurrent. Hillary has personally taken swift action against anyone on her campaign making untoward comments, and indeed, accusing the Clintons of racism is a rather ridiculous idea, given everything the couple has done for minorities during President Clinton’s administration and before or since. “99 Problems (But A Bitch Ain’t One)?” This is terrible. The level of discourse in this primary must rise, beginning with the two really quality candidates gaining more control of who works for their campaigns and what they say. Hillary seems to have a grasp of things. Sen. Obama needs to catch up. http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011729.php
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    Jay-Z Makes a Call for Obama

    On March 3, 2008, some voters in Ohio received this call from Jay-Z encouraging them to vote for Barack Obama.
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    Friday, April 4, 2008 Jay-Z Endorses Obama at Boston Concert
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    Obama: “I Have some Jay-Z and Beyonce on My iPod”
    No, that’s not a typo. The Democratic presidential hopeful is a Jay-Z fan. During a brief interview with Angie Martinez of New York’s Hot 97 FM, Senator Barack Obama disclosed that while he prefers “Ol’ Skool” artists like Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, and Miles Davis, his kids help keep him abreast with the current music scene.
    “On my iPod, I’ve got a little bit of Jay-Z and a little bit of Beyonce,” said the senator. “A little bit of that stuff. I don’t want to pretend that I know as much as my 9-year old or 6-year old daughter.”
    Being the round-the-clock politician that he is, Obama also seized the opportunity to discuss his presidential campaign and why he deserves the African-American vote.
    H t t p : / / rap.about.com/b/2007/06/29/barack-obama-i-have-some-jay-z-on-my-ipod.htm

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    Barack Obama recently told BET that he’s been listening to Jay-Z’s American Gangster record quite a bit, as well as some Kanye here and there.

    H t t p : / / network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/theampersand/archive/2008/01/11/rocking-the-vote-obama-digs-jay-z-but-what-might-be-spinning-on-the-other-candidates-ipods.aspx

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    Barack Obama Wipes Dirt Off His Shoulder Jay-Z Style
    Posted Apr 18th 2008 12:30PM by Tracey Ford
    Filed under: Hip-Hop, Campaign 2008
    Presidential candidate Barack Obama is taking a cue from hip hop mogul Jay-Z. No, the presidential hopeful isn’t starting a record label or marrying Beyonce. Instead, Obama is brushing the dirt off his shoulder — ala the movement made popular by the rap star’s 2003 song ‘Dirt Off Your Shoulder’ — which means that the senator is letting all negative comments and criticism roll off his back.

    Obama’s recent move may have shocked folks in the political arena, but the candidate has been exhibiting his hipness since he shook his groove thang on ‘The Ellen Degeneres Show.’ And Obama admits to being a Jay-Z fan. “Lately I’ve been listening to a lot of Jay-Z — this new American Gangster album …,” Obama said in a recent interview.
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    The songlyrics by Jay z that inspired obama

    You’re now tuned into the muh’fuckin greatest
    Turn the music up in the headphones
    Tim, you can go and brush your shoulder off nigga
    I got you, yeah
    [Chorus: Jay-Z]
    If you feelin like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off
    Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
    Niggaz is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you
    Get, that, dirt off your shoulder
    [Verse One]
    I probably owe it to y’all, proud to be locked by the force
    Tryin to hustle some things, that go with the Porsche
    Feelin no remorse, feelin like my hand was forced
    ***Middle finger to the law, nigga grip’n my balls***
    All the ladies they love me, from the bleachers they screamin
    All the ballers is bouncin they like the way I be leanin
    All the rappers be hatin, off the track that I’m makin
    But all the hustlers they love it just to see one of us make it
    Came from the bottom the bottom, to the top of the pots
    Nigga London, Japan and I’m straight off the block
    Like a running back, get it man, I’m straight off the block
    I can run it back nigga cause I’m straight with the Roc

    now, after all i’ve posted above…..picture this……….on the front lawn of the WH……..it’s a press conference, everyone is waiting for Prez Obama
    while listening to none other than……..Jay z

  114. has anyone done a GOOGLE search Obama,Finger ?

    i just did………WOW!!! search news you will see a ton of news sites

    search “blogs” and you will see even more!

    This has spread like wildfire! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!

  115. AA vote in Philly will be 93% for OB not matter what….that will keep margin of victory down .

  116. Just now on Fox….Charles Mahtesian from politio said

    dean just appointed 25 people who will decide fate of FL MI primaries

    it is being said one is howard deans college room mate

    anyone heard anything about this? are they going to decide on this soon??

  117. Well, Blue. You like to say you’re informed. 🙂

    Hey- funny quote at ABCnews.com in the comments section:

    You may not like Hillary, but you will enjoy President McCain, which will happen when we Hillary supporters vote for him. Daily Kos will go insane. Can’t wait.

    The Great Orange Satan and his minions have been losing it quite a bit recently. I, for one, cannot wait until that site and all the little self-important, Naderite bastards who cost us in 2000 and 2004 get bent over. Their anger and self-righteousness are a direct result of them being whiny little cocksuckers just like 👿 . It must be scary as hell for them to see someone with a backbone, let alone a woman. Poor babies… 😆

  118. Rush mocking Ozomba’s whining. Oh he’s such a crybaby, Rush says.

    Then Rush got into “Fingergate.” I had overlooked that report coz it reminds me too much of middle-school mindlessness but evidently the media is picking up on it.

  119. yeah, they have a story up on Politico Djia. The fix is in.

    No idea what it’ll be, but I expect in the next few hours a negative story/onslaught of one kind or another, in order to give the weekend talking heads material to use before PA.

    Eff’em all. Justice will prevail.

    On that happy note, I am really leaving now. Enjoy your day.

  120. djia, so according to your posts, 👿 lets his two young daughters listen to Jay-Z???? WTF???? I guess he’s as much of an absent father as he is an absent senator.

  121. They say the 25 could decide Hillary’s “fate.”

    IMO it’s the fate of the Democratic party and the country that’s at issue. Hillary is fine.

  122. BTW- The latest on him refusing to debate is the SECOND time he’s done this. Last August he dropped out of debates and forums with the other candidates until IA. That’s when I started calling him “Bawack” because he was a chickenshit.

    Now, I just call him 👿 . That started between me and Idunn (I miss you Idunn). I may just start calling him Mr. Chickenshit. I haven’t decided yet.

  123. djia- exactly my point- his kids are listening to Jay-Z. That stuff is highly explicit, highly violent, sexist, promotes materialism and crime…. He has zero judgment IMHO. Parents don’t let their children listen to that shit, and they don’t flip off folks on national TV. Children were there, children see it on TV and on the Internet.

  124. what a bunch of f-up’s! Why did Dean(the Loser) get to run the DNC? So now their getting ready to give to Bambi right after Pa.? Well, what are we doing about it? What happened to the picketting in front of the DNC? I thought we had that going?

  125. i don’t think in good conscience that I could really vote for McCain! I would love to put it to the DNC, but I think of the things McCain himself has said to women. I think he every bit as sexist as Bambi and the rest of the DNC. I think we all need to come up with an alternative!

  126. After a big in PA Tuesday, Hillary should start running ads in NC asking “Senator Obama refuses to debate Hillary Clinton in NC. What is he afraid of?” or “What is he hiding now?”

  127. djia,

    That info has been out there for months. But among the Dean 25 are a good number of HRC supporters.

    This fingergate thing is nauseating. The tabloid election. I don’t even read any of the so-called entertainment” bs and to have it stuffed down my throat by this arrogant, pre-pubescent boy in a man’s suit insecure a$$wipe is galling beyond belief. Now we’re reduced to having to listen to, watch and read this garbage? After he complained bitterly that the ABC debate was rigged against him? After he slammed ABC for taking 45 minutes to get to any substantive issues? Naturally, i saw part of the clip, either online or on some news show, and it was obvious he was playing to the lowest common denominator intellect of his audience, putting on a show for their benefit, satarizing street-gang, thuggish code – oh yeah, baby, he’s one of ‘them’ – he knows Jaz-zee, he knows the hand gestures, he knows the lingo he knows the truth about the man . . . . Nauseating. And meantime, ABC continues to get slammed for DARING to be honest.

  128. Ok guys, going by the Politico article I don’t see the rules committee as automatically anti-Hillary. From that list I saw more declared or implied Hill supporters & uncommitted than I saw BO people.

  129. okie,

    How about cwackerqwiddick? 👿

    Confloyd – Like I said, a good number of the Dean 25 are HRC supporters.

  130. From Politwix.com

    99 Problems? Make it 100

    Barack Obama tried to “Wipe the Dirt Off His Shoulder” after a poor performance in the debate two nights ago.

    What most of us “typical white people” don’t know is that Obama’s gesture is part of the Hip Hop Gangsta culture, and it stems from a song by artist Jay-Z.Jay-Z has endorsed Obama publicly and even did campaign robo-calls for Obama in Ohio. Obama told Angie Martinez of New York’s Hot 97 FM:“On my iPod, I’ve got a little bit of Jay-Z and a little bit of Beyonce,” said the senator. “A little bit of that stuff. I don’t want to pretend that I know as much as my 9-year old or 6-year old daughter.” Holy smoke, do his daughters listen to Jay-Z? Why not, I guess, when they hear Reverend Jeremiah Wright every Sunday.Here are the lyrics to Dirt Off Your Shoulder:

    JAY-Z LYRICS

    You’re now tuned into the motherfucking greatest
    Turn the music up in the headphones
    Tim, you can go and brush your shoulder off nigga
    I got you, yeah

    If you feeling like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off
    Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
    Niggas is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you
    Get, that, dirt off your shoulder

    I probably owe it to you all, proud to be locked by the force
    Trying to hustle some things, that go with the Porsche
    Feeling no remorse, feeling like my hand was forced
    Middle finger to the law, nigga griping my balls
    All the ladies they love me, from the bleachers they screaming
    All the ballers is bouncing they like the way I be leaning
    All the rappers be hating, off the track that I’m making
    But all the hustlers they love it just to see one of us make it
    Came from the bottom the bottom, to the “Top of the Pops”
    Nigga London, Japan and I’m straight off the block
    Like a running back, get it man, I’m straight off the block
    I can run it back nigga ’cause I’m straight with the Roc

    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder
    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder
    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder
    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder

    Your homey Hov’ in position, in the kitchen with soda
    I just whipped up a watch, trying to get me a Rover
    Trying to stretch out the coca, like a wrestler, yes sir
    Keep the Heckler close, you know them smokers’ll test you
    But like, fifty-two cards when I’m, I’m through dealing
    Now fifty-two bars come out, now you feel ‘em
    Now, fifty-two cars roll out, remove ceiling
    In case fifty-two broads come out, now you chilling
    with a boss bitch of course S.C. on the sleeve
    At the 40/40 club, ESPN on the screen
    I paid a grip for the jeans, plus the slippers is clean
    No chrome on the wheels, I’m a grown-up for real

    Your boy back in the building, Brooklyn we back on the map
    Me and my beautiful beeeeeeeitch in the back of that ‘Bach
    I’m the realest that run it, I just happen to rap
    I ain’t gotta clap at ‘em, niggas scared of that black
    I drop that +Black, Album+ then I back, out it
    As the best rapper alive nigga ask about me
    From Bricks to Billboards, from grams to Grammies
    The O’s to opposite, Orphan Annie
    You gotta pardon Jay, for selling out the Garden in a day
    I’m like a young Marvin in his hey
    I’m a hustler homey, you a customer crony
    Got some, dirt on my shoulder, could you brush it off for me?

    You’re now tuned into the motherfucking greatest
    Best rapper alive, best rapper alive

    The line “middle finger to the law” highlighted, because that is exactly what Obama did to Clinton in that “wipe the dirt off” diatribe. He did it slyly, in such a way that one could argue that he was just scratching an itch off his face, but coupled with the “wipe off gesture”, his intent was unmistakable.

    I guess we were all a little slow to catch on to his schtick, but Obama is nothing more than a two-bit hustler.

    According to a January 14th New York Post, Obama played Jay-Z’s song “I got 99 problems (but a bitch ain’t one) at a victory speech.

    “PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate’s theme song.As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z’s “99 Problems” was blaring. In it, Jay raps, “I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one.””Some listeners took it as a not-so-sly reference to Hillary.“We didn’t know he used that,” a shocked Clinton spokesperson said.

    Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but what ever happened to respect? I have to tell you that I find this absolutely repugnant. Is this the kind of person we want in the White House? Please, please, tell me it isn’t!

  131. Interesting – hand gun issue brought up by TM poster:

    llinois resident Hale DeMar was prosecuted by the town of Wilmette for using a handgun to defend his home in 2003. Wilmette had imposed a ban on the possession of handguns, in effect making the town a gun-free zone.

    To correct the situation, several Illinois state legislators introduced SB 2165 to protect the right of self-defense for residents like DeMar. Obama voted against the bill.

    That self-defense bill protecting the right to bear arms for law-abiding citizens such as DeMar passed the Illinois state Senate and was enacted into law over the governor’s veto (and Obama’s opposition).

    So he wouldn’t ban handguns, he would just ban using them.

    obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-claims-he-never-supported- ban.html

    OleYellowDog | 04.18.2008 – 1:36 pm | #

  132. Hi everyone,

    I have been taking care of my Mom and out of action for a few days. Okay now

    Here’s a new diary I hope you will recommend. It is called: My Weather Underground

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/18/145050/032

    Obama’s associations show poor judgement making him unfit to be the dem nominee.

    Please go and give it a little luv. Comment toooooooo

  133. Con, in good conscience, I will vote for McCain in the GE if 👿 gets the nomination. Why? Because I am an American first, a Democrat second. And that tired MF’er (thanks again Blue!) will hurt our country. McCain at least will not. Especially with a Democratic Congress. 👿 has too much shit on the present Congress and will make Bush’s administration look cheap on the giveaways.

    Look what they did in IL. And then think about it on a more massive scale. McCain wouldn’t do that. Not ever.

  134. well, these next few days seem excreciately long! I can’t believe the ignorance of Dean and his team.

  135. First we learned that it was a political fixer currently on trial for bribery that financed the start of BO’s political career, then we learned that a radical, anti-American pastor helped him gain street cred to win his first political race in his heavily AA congressional district, now we learn that an unrepetant domestic terrorist helped introduce BO to the uber-liberal, white guilt wing of the Chicago political machine. Great……I know….let’s elect this guy President.

  136. Bitter American Caller Day clinging to your guns and your bibles.

    LMAO!

    That’s Hannity’s theme of the day. 👿

  137. Okieatty, i will never vote for Osama, oops I mean Obama, but a vote for McCain, what about writing in her name? I guess it would be just like throwing my vote away! Huh? Well, I will not let myself believe that we will have to make that decision!

  138. okie……..greta will be airing this tonight if she has a poll on it 😀

    also……..YES is winning!!

  139. great post admin. the obamabots, dean, and the closet idiots are desperate. they know hillary will win most of the contests between pa and june 3rd. i want a floor fight at the convention. i want a fight for the fl and michigan vote. obama is desperate not to see that fight in denver. well, let’s make their horrible lives miserable by making that fight happen!

  140. OK i got to go give my kid a hair cut……be back soon

    (i have a finger..eh….um….I mean feeling LOL its going to be a bad news kind of night for precious LOL )

  141. okieatty, i respect your choice if it comes to that. it is a personal choice. me, i would not know what to do. i am 50/50 on that. i am a die-dem to the core. that said i have so much invested in hillary. mccain, policy wise it just so far to the right. but i like him personally. i hate obama personally.

  142. I have to wonder if ABC might’ve been given an exclusive to break some sort of “bombshell” news which why they stay the course of being tougher on him than other news outlets:

    pundita.blogspot.com/2008/04/abc-news-tries-to-save-democrat-party.html

    Thursday, April 17
    ABC News tries to save the Democrat Party and gets vilified for it
    Last week, on his Sunday show, John Batchelor mentioned something to the effect that the Clinton campaign and others were sitting on a bombshell about Barack Obama, and that the information hadn’t been released because efforts were still being made to properly vet it.

    I don’t recall whether Batchelor meant that ‘news media’ were the others or whether he even used the word ‘others’ but clearly he had the bombshell information. And my strong impression is that he was referring to others in the media as well.

    No, he gave no hint about the nature of the bombshell, but I thought of his words last night while I watched the “debate” between Obama and Hillary Clinton that was sponsored by ABC News.

    It wasn’t really a debate; it was a chance for ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson to grill the candidates and with emphasis on nailing down Obama on his position about William Ayers. The questions they put to Obama within the first hour have been met with angry protests from Obama supporters.

    I’m not going to leap to the conclusion that the bombshell, if you’ll pardon the expression, has to do with Ayers. But given Mr Obama’s way with words it really is necessary to nail him to an unequivocal statement — to the extent he’s capable of not equivocating.

    Nor am I sure that ABC News has the information that Batchelor referred to, but I do know that not too many weeks ago, there was a sudden and striking change in the ABC News attitude toward Obama. The kid loves started to come off with regard to Obama’s connection to Tony Rezko. ABC has not pushed Obama as hard as they might have done but since that incident (which, if I recall, occurred on the Stephanopoulos show) they have pushed.

    It may be that there’s more to the sea change than Obama’s relationship with Rezko, Ayers, Wright, and a host of other highly questionable associates. And perhaps ABC’s increasing toughness with Obama has more to do with the mounting accumulation of Obama’s misstatements and lies than any one incident or a ‘bombshell.’

    But if a bombshell gets dropped, it could be more than a severe blow to Obama’s campaign; it could unleash furious questions about the DNC’s longstanding refusal to properly vet Barack Obama. I suspect the most furious questions would come from American blacks, who have done much to support the Democrat Party.

    # posted by Pundita : 4/17/2008 03:11:00 PM

  143. Con, my state doesn’t have a write-in option. It would invalidate my vote. I refuse to vote for him. Further, I will not only vote for McCain in such a circumstance, I’ll campaign for him and donate money.

    I will not let me country be torn apart and sold to the highest bidder. I believe Hillary is the best candidate, that’s why I support her. But I believe as ferociously that 👿 is the worst candidate. I’d even vote for Bush over him if forced to.

  144. We are no longer considered important to the DNC-until the get their man nominated and need us to win in Nov…they can F -off.

  145. OkieAtty, I feel the same way.

    Do I believe that McCain, because of some of his bone-headed ideas, could do harm to my country, to the economy, etc? Absolutely.

    But McCain loves America, and would NEVER sell my country down the river. Obama would stab America in the back in a heartbeat. That is what it will boil down to for me if Hillary is not the nominee. I will NOT allow someone (and his wife) who I think has scorn and derision and lack of loyalty for this country into the Whitehouse.

    BUT HILLARY IS GOING TO WIN THIS. She and Bill are not stupid, and know more about the behind-the-scenes stuff than ANY of us. They would not be wasting their time and money if they thought it wasn’t possible.

  146. My local talk show http://www.schnittshow.com , Schnitt is now talking about Fingergate. he says, “Did obama flip off Hillary Clinton, did he give her the bird? We have the audio and the video, we’ll be talking about that later.”

    This is funny as heck. I think that all of thise news i.e whining, fingergate, can’t be good for Obama. He is coming off looking like a *ussy and a whiner as well as crude.

    Nobody likes those characteristics in their leaders.

  147. Uh-oh.

    Looks like Tony will be freed on bond

    By Natasha Korecki
    Federal Courts Reporter/nkorecki@suntimes.com

    Judge Amy St. Eve appears poised to release Tony Rezko out on bond, secured to more than $8 million in property. Rezko’s wife, Rita, also pledged $380,000 in cash.

    St. Eve has not yet made a formal ruling. But she has asked specific questions about people’s properties who are posting to secure Rezko’s bond.
    She also specifically said she wanted a specific property posted because it brought $100,000 in equity, even though lawyers said they didn’t think it was needed to get to $8 million.

    She may also have cleared up a significant issue tied to a $3.8 million wire transfer from Lebanon.
    St. Eve said she interviewed attorneys behind closed doors, under oath, who told her where the largest portions of a $3.8 million wire transfer went. Much of that money, she said, went to pay lawyers.
    That transfer, came from the sale of Rezko’s 62-acre parcel of South Loop land. It is the reason Rezko ended up behind bars Jan. 28.

    Prosecutors — and the judge at the time — said Rezko should have but failed to disclose that transfer of money.

    But St. Eve said she talked to the lawyer representing General Mediterranean Holding who said under oath that Rezko has no more interest in that land, which was the most valuable asset Rezko still controlled. General Mediterranean is the company tied to Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi.

    With the money from the wire transfer accounted for, and parties swearing under oath that Rezko will not have access to additional overseas funds, St. Eve appears satisfied to set Rezko free.

    St. Eve hasn’t discussed it yet, but she will undoubtedly put Rezko under strict guidelines, possibly home arrest and electronic monitoring.

    Prosecutors strongly opposed the move yesterday in court.

  148. I think ayers is a prelude to his connection to his anti american campaign bundler….what was her name?

  149. meiyingsu .. YES. the women need to see this. Actually every SD should see it.

    It goes to his character and his immaturity

  150. meiyingsu Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Hi Hillfans, do you think it is a good idea to send the fingergate video to all female SDs?

    I think the SD’s watch tv and read online……i am pretty sure they are seeing the video

    but it wouldn’t hurt to send our thoughts on his actions

  151. @ HfT,
    Yes! Actually, I went and looked. These things don’t always hit the news but she has picked up 10 since mid march.

  152. greta’s poll results so far

    Did Senator Obama intentionally give Senator Clinton the finger?
    no 34% (7863 votes)
    feedback bar
    yes 66% (15308 votes)
    feedback bar
    not sure 1% (142 votes)
    feedback bar
    Total Votes: 23313
    Comments (34

  153. **BREAKING**

    Hillary Gains Ohio Superdelegate!

    Rep. Betty Sutton follows the will of her constituents.

    “On March 4th, the majority of Democratic voters in the 13th Congressional District and Ohio chose to support Senator Hillary Clinton with their vote….I am pledging my support to her as well.”

    bdestini | 04.18.2008 – 3:26 pm | #

    *****************************
    Yes, Hill do the dang thing girl!

    Message to Obama: Keep whining.

    Guys, instead of whining about Obama, can someone put together a contact list to all of those amazing women in MA who are putting pressure on Kennedy, Deval Patrick and Kerry to tell DNC to count FL and Mi and seat the delegates. if you noticed, we havne’t heard anything from Kerry and Kennedy for the last few weeks from Rev. Wright.

    I heard that Kerry is up for reelection, we need to support those women and email Kerry and Kennedy to go the way of their constituents.

    I really feel that this is a good way to put our energies and passions to good use.

    Kerry is vulnerable as MA went to Clinton in a big way.

    At first they wouldn’t meet with the ladies and this week they did. I think that there was a post about it earlier this week and a mission statement from the women some weeks back with all of the names and contact info.

    I will cross post at http://www.hillaryis44.com

    Will someone who has privileges at riverdaughter or talk left, cross post for me as well.

    Thanks.

  154. I’ve personally made the choice already to leave the party if Hillary isn’t the nominee. I will vote for McCain or perhaps the 3rd party candidate. I just feel the country is f’d if Obama were to be president and I’m not going to be party to it. There is something not wright with him. You notice no sign of the flag pin now at all. How hard would it be for him to just wear it to appease those who are looking at that ? Why does it have to be about HIM. That is why I feel he is more dangerous than the party even realizes.

  155. Judge orders Rezko freed
    By David Beery | Daily Herald Staff
    Published: 4/18/2008 2:35 PM | Updated: 4/18/2008 2:45 PM

    A federal judge has decided Antoin “Tony” Rezko can go home from jail as his corruption trial continues.

    Judge Amy St. Eve, who issued her ruling this afternoon, had revoked Rezko’s bond on Jan. 28, deeming him a flight risk. He was ordered jailed after he failed to inform the court that he had been wired $3.5 million from the Middle East, where he was born and maintains personal connections.

    But today, St. Eve granted a motion, filed Thursday, for Rezko’s release from the federal corrections facility in downtown Chicago. The judge agreed to free the defendant, a former key fund-raiser for Gov. Rod Blagojevich, after friends and relatives posted as security 30 properties with a combined value of $8 million.

    In addition, Rezko’s wife, Rita, posted $380,000 cash, raised mostly from Rezko divesting his final interest in 62 acres in the south Loop.

    St. Eve made Rezko’s release conditional on his wearing an electronic monitoring device and his wife assuming responsibility for his whereabouts. He may leave his Wilmette home only to travel directly to his trial, which is expected to continue at least through May.

    The trial continues this afternoon.

  156. dot, I’m with you. The latte liberal, Naderite schmucks have taken over our party.

    Fuck ’em. In the ass.

  157. YAY!! THANKS REP SUTTON! I HAVE TO SHOT OFF A EMAIL OF THANKS TO HER. I BELIEVE I SAVED HER CAMPAIGN SITE FROM 2006.

  158. Cute comment:

    Obama is a rookie and I’m not drinking that dirty glass of Kool-Aid no matter how many ice cubes they put in it!

  159. Hannity ALL over Whinygate! Playing the clip of Ozomba in NC during fingergate comments and crying babies in the background. Hannity amazed Ozomba thingks he’s been treated unfairly, talks about how Tiger Woods just announced on his website that he won’t be in tournaments for a while because of knee problems and yet he played the whole season without a word and didn’t blame his losing the last contest on his bad knee . . . What does Ozomba think Washington, Lincoln, Truman, Roosevelt were subjected to. He’s a girly-man – he’s a crybaby – he’s a weniewhiner, he’s pathetic and Amercians will be outta theri friggin mionds if they hand him the presidency, just coz he thinks he’s entitled to it.
    Great news that HRC picked up another SD! And I PRAY the OzombaBomb is ready to launch.

  160. Basil9 – she will win PA and she will do so with a good margin. Bill Clinton said similar things – that she needed to win Oh and TX – these are probably truths.

    On last night’s call with McAuliffe – Clinton answered a question about Corzine switching. NOT TRUE – and all her super delegates are strongly behind her she said.

  161. corzine is with Bill C in Texas and Ohio .. its up to PA now — they gotta keep her in the race. It’s make or break time. This will get the vote out.

  162. LMAO!

    I just read of a Hill supporter who signed up to join McCain’s site and get the emails.

    At the bottom of the form, they ask if anyone “referred” you.

    What did he/she put as the referring individual?

    Howard Dean.

    LMTWAO! I think that is freaking hilarious! Hey, if anyone signs up on McCain’s site, USE THAT.

  163. when they let the voters know that Hill’s back is up against the wall, the voters keep her in. It’s now PA’s time to let the country know that Hillary is their choice. I got a good feel about Tuesday. The whole 6 weeks is gonna be looked at .. it hasn’t been good for Obama. Hillary, other than the Bosnia, has had a good 6 weeks. I think the voters will decide on Tuesday that she’s the choice.

  164. H4T

    i think we should…..let it get to dean about all the millions of us women who have had it

    heading to mc cains now LOL

  165. Innila, ‘How ya doing? I agree HRC’s gonna win PA big. I’m just ANNoYED that Corzine SAID she had to win BIG or the race is over.
    (paraphrasing)

    dijia,
    Hannitty is a riot today! Bitter American Call-in Day, guns and bibles required. hahahahaha!

  166. dijia,
    Hannitty is a riot today! Bitter American Call-in Day, guns and bibles required. hahahahaha!

    I know i am laughing my butt off today

    one lady called in and said she was a “proud american” he said something like your killing the theme of the show today and laughed

  167. GO OPERATION CHAOS!!! rush and sean are on a roll. i have no love loss for either of them but anything to stop obama i all for it.

  168. basil ….i know i know i know….. i shouldn’t like hannity…..but i gotta say

    besides being a nice looking man, he has a wacky sense of humor (IMO) i think he would be great fun to have dinner and drinks with

  169. basil9 – I agree with Dot48 – Corzine statement similar to what was said by Bill Clinton and Carville before OH and TX – this is a dog whistle to the PA clinton supporters who might think it’s a given she’ll win and stay home instead – it’s saying get off your butts and GOTV.

  170. I was thinking, is it only white men who want Hillary out? Has there been any women asking her to step down?

  171. Regarding the SurveyUSA Indiana poll which shows Obama ahead by 5:

    SurveyUSA has an explanation as to why their last poll has Hillary up by 16 and this new one has Obama up by 5. Apparently, SurveyUSA conducted the polling for a university client and the client decided on the voter model.

    In brief, the poll with Hillary ahead by 16 is a genunie SurveyUSA poll; the poll showing Obama ahead is not an official SurveyUSA poll. The second poll with Obama in the lead is a poll by the university client which determined the model they wanted to use.

    In other words the poll with Hillary ahead by 16 is 100% SurveyUSA. The poll with Obama ahead by 5 is a university poll in which SurveyUSA merely did the field work to get the data.

    For more information from SurveyUSA go here: http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_downs_centersurveyusa_ind.php

    “SurveyUSA conducted two separate, independent, non-commingled election polls in the state of Indiana in the past week, one for SurveyUSA’s TV-news clients (the TV poll) and one for Indiana University Purdue University Fort Wayne (the University poll). On many questions, the two polls produce similar results. On one question, the two polls produce different results. It is not possible to know for certain if one of the two polls is more “right,” but it is possible to inventory the things that SurveyUSA knowingly did differently on the two surveys.”

  172. @ BMERRY

    this was posted on TM today, i confess i have not read every word on resko-watch (but most!)
    just wondering if you have covered this already or not??

    here’s the comment:

    If the reporters will do their job on the Woods connection they will realize that Davis Obama’s former boss got funds from the Woods fund. These funds were used by Davis and Rezko for a housing project. At the time of the vote one of the members of the board recused himself because of his ties with Davis and yet Obama didn’t feel the necessity to do the same.

  173. Corzine is telling the truth, but I also don’t think he would have said it if Hill’s team wasn’t confident that she’ll get a double digit win.

  174. Hey dot,

    thanks for the rec. Ayers is a real serious drawback, every bit as bad as Wright.

    besides here at http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/18/145050/032

    you can also go to Real Clear Politics and vote for the diary. It would be great to get a good Ayers/Obama story up on there.

    I can’t believe the protest by move on at ABC. Jeeeeze. We shoulda been protesting from the first debate.

  175. corzine is giving the battle cry. off the seats and in the booth, PA is absolutely necessary to her campaign. I think she is going to win and win big, just a gut feel.

  176. meiyingsu Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
    Hi Hillfans, do you think it is a good idea to send the fingergate video to all female SDs?
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

    Why not all SD’s. Don’t you think that Obamatrons and the Obama campaign don’t on a daily basis inundate SD’s with “You should hear what Hillary said today…”, twist it out context, and then say she’s unelectable. Even if the SD in question has already committed to Hillary, they are bombarding the SDs to change their minds.

    So all SDs need to be shamed into withdrawing their consideration of Obama, even if they committed to him. We need to stack the evidence higher and higher. So ALL SDs, not just female. Every SD has to have all the available data in order to make an informed decision.

    &&&&&
    Or we could do what Dean wants, have all SDs endorse Obama immediately, rendering moot any of the upcoming primaries.

  177. Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that MoveOn sent me a whining letter about how horrible Bambi was treated and would I sign a petition against ABC. I not only told them Hell NO, but told them to take my name off their list and that I was real sorry I joined their good for nothing organization!!

  178. it is starting to seep into the people now that the “party” want to pick the nominee .. that the “party elite” want to pick Obama and force Hillary out. The people are just now starting to realize what has happened over the last few months and I really believe that they will remember come November. The white house to the “elites” is not about the people, it’s about “them” and their games. People are onto it, I hear it by those I speak with. The party is not what it used to be and I think come November, its not going to be enough to put a “democrat” in the white house with voters .. this whole nomination process and the disgust with which they’ve treated two of the most loved people in America … well it won’t be forgotten either. This isn’t the party I was raised on that is for sure.

  179. if bambi can’t take the heat, he needs to get out of the kitchen. Do they honestly think that his honeymoon is going to continue forever and that he’ll never get asked hard questions? Shows how naive they are. He doesn’t have enough spine to be president .. he’d quake in his boots if somebody said boo!

  180. Barrack, Jay-Z, and that misogynistic song:

    Ummm, yet another reason Barack is making himself unelectable in November. He wants two separate story lines going:

    “White people, let’s put race behind us. I will elevate the tenor of the campaign, no matter how low down dirty my “worthy opponent” sinks down to.”

    “Black brothers and sisters, you know the Man is trying to play you. We all got to band together, and reject those racists”.
    &&&&&&&&&

    He **thinks** he can talk to one audience one way, then pretend it never happened when talking to a different audience. LIke finger-gate, and bitter-gate, this idiot doesn’t appear to appreciate the consequences of having microphones and picture cell phones everywhere.

    He will lose voters from many sectors of society, as his duplicity becomes more apparent.

  181. dot48

    don’t sign-up just yet. should the unthinkable-unspeakable happen, we can all sign-up en masse. choose your favorite ass-hole referral of choice..dean, pelosi, kerry, kennedy, springsteen, oprah, michelle, mathews, mika, etc..the list is freakin’ endless!!!

  182. HillBillyLover Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    I got a robocall from MoveOn yesterday. I was so pissed it was them I hung up before hearing what they were calling about.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Yeah, I’ve moved on past MoveOn myself. Lemmings off a cliff. I ain’t going with them.

  183. Okie, I ve changed my mind, I can pull the lever for McCain, just the thought of the deaniac’s make me sick. I will do it, I just won’t think of the McCain gaffe’s!

  184. dot48 Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    I admit I’ve heard some resignation in some Hillary supporters over the last few days ..

    what are you talking about??

  185. re: moveon protest…

    What’re they going to do if Putin, Ahmadinejad, Al Qaeda give a (hypothetical) President Obama a hard time? – go and protest? – PLEASE LEAVE POOR BARRY ALONE, PULEEEZE!

    Moveon is proving themselves to be the spineless leading the spineless. They’re giving the rest of us Dems a bad name. They’re idiots.

  186. No matter what they keep saying, the complaints from the Obama camp about that debate are not because the questions for him were hard nor unfair nor anything similar to that. The real reason for the whining is those were about things they didn’t want mentioned at all. They must think they’ve been keeping them secret from the Republicans.

  187. The things that have come out on obama would have destroyed anyone else .. that is how powerful the forces are behind him. That is why he and the whole crew are dangerous. With McCain we know what is behind the curtain.

  188. dot48 – on the contrary, I feel like Hillary supporters seem to have a new energy recently – second, third wind perhaps due to all these gaffes and BO’s mask slipping to expose what an inept and even dangerous candidate he is for the Presidency.

    Here’s the thing – at earlier points, we were worried about who’s going to win the primary. at this point, I feel like I’m on the right side of the moral fight. It’s like being in a battle U.S. vs. Germany or something – not to give up, can’t give up, we are on the right side of this fight.

  189. dija, we know the obstacles and others do to. it’s only beginning to sink in to a lot of people how hard the party elite are fighting to keep her out of the white house and how powerful that force is. There is a lot of resistance to her being forced out and the voters can keep her in. We have known for a long time that the hill is steep but the party elite want to keep piling on more dirt on the hill. Her support isn’t fading at all .. mof I would say that it is growing. It’s the logistics of not having that battleplan post SuperTuesday and letting him get ahead in the delegate count like he has. I’m in till the last dawg dies but I’m also a realist and the party is covering for Obama in everything and that is what they’ll do until November. The media will treat McCain just like they’ve treated Hillary. Fox will be the only one who dares ask the hard questions and the rest of the Obama choir will continue to report just like they are now.

    The only thing we can retalitate with is our finger in the voting booth.

  190. dot48, maybe a little but it is ok to think about backup plans just in case. no harm in that. being hardcore for hillary but realistic is ok. there is a good chance hillary may not be the nominee. but still pull hard, donate and blog.

  191. Is MSNBC on the Turn, i cant believe this, I’m laughing

    The main Headline

    As Obama’s patriotism is questioned, he’s starting to look more and more like John Kerry in ’04.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/132566

    The specter of John Kerry in 2004 is beginning to haunt the Democrats in 2008. It is the specter of wimpy campaigns past. It showed up, like Banquo’s ghost, at the debate Wednesday night in Philadelphia, particularly when Hillary Clinton joined with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson to nip away at the edges of Barack Obama’s patriotism. Between the questions about Obama’s meager association with William Ayers, a former Weatherman, and the suspicions raised by his lack of a flag lapel pin, the likely nominee is slowly being turned into John Kerry. He is becoming, in other words, a candidate who may be mostly right about national security but who will lack the Red State street cred to carry his point—and the election.

  192. can somebody please explain why big media love putting on pat caddell as a dem stand in? i mean this guy slams dems for years. he have not been working for dems since 1986. he never liked the clintons. he is a senile looking old hag.

  193. Memo to Newsweek: Your “likely nominee” is about to get his a** handed to him in PA, IN, KY, PR and WV!

  194. well msnbc can’t say Hillary Clinton is spinless. She’s stood against the onslaught of media and pundit and turncoat democrats from day 1 .. and she’s still standing. That is why she is best prepared to lead right now.

  195. yes, Alcina – good and evil and also a sense that some of us are turning into (sounds corny) warriors:

    it’s like if we were fighting for our country, would we give up because our opponent seemed like they were going to win? No, we wouldn’t. we keep fighting because we know what’s at stake.

    Figuratively, Clinton will give us the best future, we ARE fighting for our country. And if we want the Dems to win, we will fight to have the strongest candidate up there…and it’s not Obambi.

  196. how the hell is Obama right on National Security? What the fcuk has he ever done. See its shit like the media continues to try to burn into my brain that makes the say no friggin way under the sun, regardless of who takes control in November .. I’d never give him my vote. He’s like having an armed gun around children.

  197. This fingergate is spreading like wildfire, everywhere, my friend just called me and sadi “did you see what he did to Hillary” and he was undecided, not anymore!

  198. Just read upthread for awhile. Dot’s points are important and real. And I am dumbfounded at the protests at ABC in behalf of Obama. Our protest at media coverage died on the vine.

    I just feel as if I am watching both campaigns for bush all over again, only this time the far left is carrying the day.

    Obamaa cannot win. If they are thinking McSame is going to carry it for them, tghey are wrong. Nothing will arouse the repug base as muchas nominating Obama. \

    But I think the left in our party is as crazy as the right in the other one.

    I feel as if I am being shipsawed between the two extremes. And it sucks!

    Whew. It is just such an uphill battle all the time.

    I’ve ahd 80 cmments on my diary–virtually all from Obamabots incensed over it.

    Hillary’s people seem tired by comparison. I dunno why.

    but we have to buck each other up. We have come too far and fought toooooo long to not buckle down now. Pennsylvania is crucial. A big win there and I think we are in another who inning and it’s Hillary’s.

    Well, good I just gave myself a pep talks 🙂

  199. InInla .. I’m not in it for the Dems to win .. I’m in in for the best candidate and that’s Hillary. I suppose that is why I wouldn’t have a problem turning my back on the party. For me it’s not particulary about the party .. it’s about the person.

  200. “a candidate who may be mostly right about national security”

    Why is that? I applaud him for speaking out against the war, even though he was a state senator & didn’t have a vote. But that courage disappeared when he entered the US senate. Secondly, he has stated he would personally meet with the pres of Iran, a guy who thinks the Holocaust never happened. In addittion, he has little to no foreign policy experience! He never brought a single meeting as chairman of that foreign relations subcommitte. He’s not exactly a sage on natl security.

  201. does anyone else here think that today theres been a major shift in the media, its just sort of gone all realistic, msm where have you been for the last 3 months?

  202. “the likely nominee is slowly being turned into John Kerry.”

    No, he’s always been John Kerry, you dipshits in the media just have not seen it.

    Hill has her Iraq plan out today. It’s so good. She is absolutely the only one I trust to end the war. BO has nothing but some speech he gave to an anti-war crowd years ago. he’s a clown. He doesn’t know what he is doing.

  203. lin, do you think it’s just a matter of simply not feeding into the obamatrons feeding frenzy. I just find it easier to let them run amok .. as long as we don’t give them knives or guns. They take over every poll and every blog and I’m just not into fighting with them any longer.

  204. LOL. “He’s not exactly a sage on natl security.”

    Exactly. Duh, this guy has no fricken experience!

  205. I posted the msnbc front page over at DU, they are going apeshit over bambi being called John Kerry part 2.

  206. I don’t want any msm so what is happening. Has the heavens opened up and God spoke to them and told them to get their heads out of their butts?

    Is there a groundswell of people with eyes open now? Incredible if it is ..but, this is Friday and by Monday they’ll have turned back to their old bitter self.

  207. It’s amusing that the Obama campaign, desperate to change the subject to anything other than Obama’s post-debate whining, trotted out Robert Reich’s endorsement today. As we know, this is their M.O.: anytime Barack is in hot water, they instantly parade out an endorsement they’ve been saving up.

  208. dot

    I tend to agree with that, we all know who is in the kool aid pitcher with obama, and we should pay no attention to their
    talking points……it’s all bullshit anyways

    we should continue the fight to get them to put out the truth about hillary instead.

  209. someone should ask the msm, is obama gonna bitch about any question he’s asked by the white house press corp?

  210. MJ wrote:

    No, he’s always been John Kerry, you dipshits in the media just have not seen it.
    ———

    Exactly! Any Democrat with half a brain has known since day 1 that Obama would be skewered and crushed by the Republicans. If Kerry was elitist, Obama is about 100 times more so: the way he acts (brushing the dirt from his shoulder yesterday, to indicate his disdain for hard questions during the debate), the way he speaks (rambling incoherent sentences, from an absent-minded professor), and his attitude (“wow, the price of arugula has gone up”).

  211. see, the endorsements still come so we know that the party elite still has a firm control on orchestrating this. Yes, it’s Friday so they have to end the week with a note of good.

    Does anyone have a firm idea on NC? Any movement, anything at all?

  212. McCain camp calls Obama ‘recklessly dishonest’

    (CNN) — John McCain’s campaign is crying foul over what it characterizes as repeated distortions from Barack Obama, saying on Friday the Illinois senator is “recklessly dishonest.”

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/18/mccain-camp-calls-obama-recklessly-dishonest/

    What is this world coming to when many Democrats agree with the Republicans???

  213. robert reich’s been advising BO for months; plus, he’s a Clinton-hater.

    they should try and hoodwink us by saying, Ted Kennedy endorsement coming soon…oooh.

  214. let’s just be clear here……..Axlerod has bought and paid and threatened for all the pillows for barack

    and it is clear to me and should be to all of you by now….that they have been hitting the bloggers and msm hard since the last debate

    but it is also clear that not all are taking orders from Axlerod anymore 😀

    this is a very different race now…..just wait till tuesday!! 😀

  215. # moononpluto Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    someone should ask the msm, is obama gonna bitch about any question he’s asked by the white house press corp?

    *******

    He probably won’t get a chance to because Moveon.org will be taking over as White House security and only Markos, Olbermann, Russert and those who have credentials that specify that they’re “in the tank” will be allowed to attend WH press conferences.

  216. lninla

    When I saw that this morning, I thought I was having a flashback to Iowa. Reich has been bashing Hillary for being critical of Obama’s health care and economic plans for months.

  217. You know something, Hillary has pulled a masterstroke. I’ve been watching carefully

    The “wimp” thing is sticking like glue to Obama from what i’m seeing, I honestly think she just fatally knifed him.

    Its hitting home bigtime with men because psychologically, when a woman calls you out as a wimp, its a really big machismo thing. Its fatal.

  218. STUNNING ABOUT REZCO GETTING OUT OF JAIL .. I reckon he might be getting ready to bite the big one. This is just too convenient.

  219. Idunn, if you are peeking, comment again. You are funny as hell, and I can just imagine what you would be saying today. 😉

  220. Actually rezko being released may work to our advantage when he is convicted and facing many years in prison. He will start singing any tune the Feds want to hear just to get his sentence reduced.

  221. Did y’all hear Robert Reich endorsed Ozomba! that slick prick. he was in BC’s administration.

    Grrrrrr..

    hope eveyone’s right about the Corzine comment being code for GOTV.

  222. basil9 Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
    Did y’all hear Robert Reich endorsed Ozomba! that slick prick. he was in BC’s administration.

    He’s been for BO all along. He’s a prick. My mother tried working with him once. He’s a pig.

    But, I think the Reich thing is about jewish voters more than anything else.

  223. basil .. another knife in Bill’s chest. All orchestrated. Over Monica .. this is what this is all about. Monica and impeachment. How better to hurt Bill than doing this to Hillary. It’s payback .. except the voters have their say and we don’t agree.

  224. Add FingerGate to SNUBGate and You’re-likable-enough-gate . . . . . .

    drip. . . . drip . . . d. . . r . . . i . . . p . . . .

  225. As predicted, all the distractions Penn..Nunn, Boren, Reich, the NewsWeek poll showing him way up nationally, Dean calling out SD’s…desperate to stop Hillary!!!

  226. No, Reich hated Bill, and he was Bill’s least favorite appointee. They really didn’t like eachother. Clearly, Hill got him the job.

  227. Obama today saying he did not complain “Did you hear me complain?”

    Yes, Senator Obama I heard you complain just like I heard you say that you will never wear that pin on your chest. Everyone with a TV has heard this idiot complain and now he is telling us we did not hear what we all know we heard.

  228. We should all go and picket with the protesters at abc about cnns biased ways! I am going to say something that only you all will know, NEVER im my life did I ever think that hannity was my savior! j/k but wow we really need fox right now! I love the fact that they are not holding anything back and man hannity is bringing out the pans and the sink! Regardless if it’s for republicans or not, if it was not for fox and some small sites where would we be?

  229. Did you all know former Philly mayor John Street was for Hill? She has good support from african americans involved in policy.

  230. “Guys I already answered like, 6 questions!”

    HAAA!!!!! Remember that gem??? 😀 When was that? Right before OH and TX? I hope that clip gets replayed in any “whiner-gate” stories.

  231. Hey guys!!! Tonight on Anderson Cooper 360:

    From childhood aspirations, to marital troubles, to eventually her choice to run for political office… we look at what has prepared Hillary Clinton for the biggest race of her life. Tonight, 10 ET

  232. # rjk1957 Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    McCain camp calls Obama ‘recklessly dishonest’

    (CNN) — John McCain’s campaign is crying foul over what it characterizes as repeated distortions from Barack Obama, saying on Friday the Illinois senator is “recklessly dishonest.”

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/18/mccain-camp-calls-obama-recklessly-dishonest/

    What is this world coming to when many Democrats agree with the Republicans???

    ***********

    Not surprised we do agree with Republicans. After watching Fox and occasionally listening to Limbaugh – I have to admit that the gulf between Dems and Republicans isn’t always that wide. The overlap is that most of us in both parties care fundamentally about this country, and media exacerbates our differences as good vs. evil when really, a lot of our values are similar. The Republicans probably more than we are are offended at people who are anti-American/unpatriotic. It’s not a schtick, and I understand that the more I listen to them.
    Also…
    I have to hand it to the McCain campaign; their press release headlines are very succinct and descriptive – “recklessly dishonest” gets to the point and is memorable.

  233. rjk1957 Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Obama today saying he did not complain “Did you hear me complain?”
    *****************************************************

    OMG!!! HE DID THAT!! THAT IS HILARIOUS!!! WHAT A “5 YEAR OLD”

  234. Friday Mini-harvest of Super Delegates for Clinton – on thepage

    Two more superdelegates — Clinton-supporting former New Jersey Govs. Florio and Byrne — are added to the New York Senator’s tally after being chosen Thursday as the Garden State’s add-on superdels.

    Earlier: Ohio Rep. Betty Sutton — also a superdelegate — announces she’s backing Clinton to follow the will of her constituents.

  235. Obama today saying he did not complain “Did you hear me complain?”
    *****************************************************

    muh, muh, mommy…she’s picking on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  236. Dot48 – to your post earlier, I think the Democratic party is worth fighting for…don’t let these DailyKos(suckers) and the rest beat us down and redefine what they think is the Democratic party – they should realize if it was just Democrats counted in the popular vote, she’d be winning by around 1 million more votes…

  237. When you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate and your goal is to try and convince people into believing you’re actually a moderate, an endorsement from Robert Reich (who has become much more left-wing since his Clinton administration days, and now teaches at UC Berkeley) isn’t going to help much.

    I love how today Obama has decided to whine about people’s comments about his whining. Dude, you’re a whiner: accept it, or stop whining.

  238. You know, in that video he also scarpes something off his shoe, presumably dog shit, which I guess is supposed to be Hillary. WTH? This guy is such a classless loser.

  239. re: Whining – when Moveon and the Obamabots infest the phonelines and internet of ABC in order to whine on behalf of BO – then, BO is whining IN STEREO.

  240. I swear, if young women vote for this clown after the finger, and the shoulder/foot brush, then I will lose all hope in my gender. I’m only 34 but I can not relate to any woman who supports this clown.

  241. 4/18/2008
    Clinton Adds Three Superdelegates Today
    Former NJ Governors Jim Florio & Brendan Byrne, follow US Rep Betty Sutton (D-OH) in pledging their support to Hillary
    Former New Jersey Governors Jim Florio and Brendan Byrne pledged their support to Hillary Clinton today, after being chosen Thursday as add-on superdelegates. Their show of support comes the same day US Rep. Betty Sutton announced she too would support Clinton as a superdelegate.

    “I am grateful for the support of both former New Jersey governors Byrne and Florio, as well as Rep. Sutton,” Clinton said. “Together, with their support and millions of others, we will deliver health care to every American, jumpstart the economy, and turn our great country around. Our campaign is experiencing great momentum.”

    Brendan Byrne served as the 47th Governor of New Jersey from 1974 to 1982 and co-writes a weekly column with his successor Thomas Kean on state and national public affairs. James Florio was the first Italian American governor of New Jersey, serving from 1990 to 1994.

    Rep. Sutton served eight years in the Ohio State House prior to being elected to represent Ohio’s 13th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2006. Before being elected to Congress, she worked as a labor attorney fighting for the rights of Ohio’s workers.

  242. IF OBAMA is not whining……then he should denounce and reject his supporters whining and childish behavior!! 😀

  243. I can just see him going on the news channels…”I brushed my shoulders off! Didn’t you see? I was so ghetto and cool.”

  244. Can’t remember if this was posted previously but apropos of the “bitter” remarks and debate on Sen. Obama’s disconnect from the tribulations of working class & blue collar voters I think it is germane. The image of Michelle venturing forth from her opulent Chicago manse to grant this CNN Q&A and then coming up with the following delusional and self revealing remark left me chuckling.

    Excerpt from transcript of CNN Interview with Michelle Obama
    (Aired February 1, 2008)
    “… I’m doing what most women are doing, regardless of their race or their socioeconomic status. I’m juggling and struggling to keep my head above water, because this whole balancing act that is now the life of a woman and a family has become more and more impossible…And that’s true for me who has resources. And if we’re struggling, just imagine what’s going on with folks who are getting up, working shift jobs where they don’t have the flexibility to go see their kids’ ballet performances…”

    BALLET PERFORMANCES?!?!?

  245. I was thinking, wouldn’t it be hilarious if Hillary pulls off what Obama could not? He thought he was going to win Ohio and then have 50 SD’s march out to announce they are supporting him. We all know what happened to that plan. I would love to see after Hillary’s big win on Tuesday 50 SD’s come out Wednesday morning and say they are endorsing Hillary.

  246. leave it to the Brits to write a good story about Scranton:

    guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/18/barackobama.hillaryclinton1

    [excerpts]

    But at Paper Magic, a greeting card company on which The Office is (very) loosely modelled, Robert Cohen, the manager of human resources, doubts Scranton has changed that much. “Overwhelmingly this is still very much a Hillary Clinton campaign,” he said.

    That reality is beginning to sink in at the Obama campaign office. Two county commissioners who supported Obama have received hate mail from Clinton loyalists. One of them, Michael Washo, was even heckled at a funeral.

    The other day, it took volunteer Basundhara Chattopadhyaya a morning of phone calls to find two Obama supporters. “This place is not receptive to changes,” she said. “It is very reluctant to change and that is the key.”

    As she spoke, a large man in overalls and a baseball cap stepped inside to hand her a local newspaper clipping. The headline read: “Barack Obama remains friends with some unsavoury characters.”

  247. djia Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    IF OBAMA is not whining……then he should denounce and reject his supporters whining and childish behavior!!

    *******
    TOTALLY. I have a hard time separating Obama from his followers – they’re a package deal of whiners and hypocrites and that’s why I despise him more.

  248. > The other day, it took volunteer Basundhara Chattopadhyaya a morning of phone calls to
    > find two Obama supporters. “This place is not receptive to changes,” she said. “It is very
    > reluctant to change and that is the key.”

    I’m surprised that they didn’t try to sell the town a bag of hopium.

  249. Scranton gets it!!!!!! You go, my friends. You know what I was thinking last night, normal people are for Hill. Those of us who are not batshit crazy are totally for Hill. We are black, white, yellow, red, you name it. We are working class, educated, old, young, what have you. We are just normal. We value competence and tenacity and intelligence over glib, and flashy, and hopiness. Normal folks for Hill!

  250. These peopleare screaming elitists.

    MerrimackValley Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
    > The other day, it took volunteer Basundhara Chattopadhyaya a morning of phone calls to
    > find two Obama supporters. “This place is not receptive to changes,” she said. “It is very
    > reluctant to change and that is the key.”

    She blames the voters! Hapless idiots, these Obama people.

  251. “… I’m doing what most women are doing, regardless of their race or their socioeconomic status. I’m juggling and struggling to keep my head above water, because this whole balancing act that is now the life of a woman and a family has become more and more impossible…And that’s true for me who has resources. And if we’re struggling, just imagine what’s going on with folks who are getting up, working shift jobs where they don’t have the flexibility to go see their kids’ ballet performances…”

    BALLET PERFORMANCES?!?!?

    She would have been safer with softball practice.

  252. >.She blames the voters

    she is from bengal… baston to leftists in INDIA… that state has been electing communists for the last 50 years whereas remaining INDIA elect non-communists…

  253. Obama’s Other Jeremiah Wrights
    by Evan Gahr

    Posted: 04/14/2008

    Jeremiah Wright is not the only supporter Barack Obama needs to explain.

    Although the media has finally exposed Barack Obama’s ties to the unhinged pastor his support from rappers who propagate equally pernicious nonsense has gone almost entirely unnoticed.

    Rappers are gaga over Obama. The superstar Jay-Z, who raps about “b——,” “hoes” and “n—–,“ even urged voters to support Obama in a robo-call for the March 4 Ohio primary and caucus. The equally foul-mouthed rapper Will.I.am, whose hit songs include “I love my B—-,” has hyped Obama in two widely-viewed videos posted on YouTube.

    The rappers have good reason to praise Obama. He has at times been an apologist for their “music.” His complicity with rappers dates back to at least 2006.

    Late that year he met with the rap giant Ludacris in his Chicago office. Ludacris, who Pepsi dropped as a spokesman in 2004 after Fox News Channel host Bill O’Reilly exposed his putrid lyrics, said afterwards that Obama felt like family to him. In March 2007 Ludacris, whose hit songs include “Move B—-,” headlined an Obama fundraiser in Atlanta.

    Obama even recorded a voice over for a new album out this June from rapper Q-tip. Will it contain lyrics like these sonnets from another Q-tip song? “Close the door, ‘ight let a n—- rock. Cause we ‘bout to eat real s—, not s— slop.”

    Who are these members of Obama’s amen corner? Many are the industry’s leading lights, who have become rich and famous thanks to the willingness of liberals like Obama to ignore or excuse their glorification of sexism, drugs and violence. Without this kind of collaboration they would just be unemployed thugs instead of millionaires.

    Obama thus far has equivocated on rappers. He has criticized their language, but adamantly refused to denounce the whole sordid genre as the unique cultural problem that it is.

    “I haven’t just singled out rappers,” Obama told Al Sharpton’s National Action Network conference last year, according to the New York Observer. “I’ve said I’ve heard those words [used by rappers] around the kitchen table in some homes. I hear them in the barber shop. I hear them on the basketball court. All of us have been complicit in diminishing ourselves.”

    Obama here relies on the pro-forma defense of rap music. Yes, apologists say, it’s racist and sexist but it only reflects the racism and sexism of society.

    Oh, really? Where else but rap do folks talk so openly and regularly about b——, n—— and hoes? What other industry makes millions of dollars from those words? Obama says he’s heard this kind of language on the basketball court. Which one? Not any NBA game. Players who curse during games are suspended and fined.

    Where else but rap do you hear words like these from Obama supporter Jay-Z in his song “99 Problems?”

    Now once upon a time not long ago

    A n—- like myself had to strong arm a hoe

    This is not a hoe in the sense of having a p—

    But a p—- having no God Damn sense

    Besides Jay-Z, Obama has also won support from rap mogul Russell Simmons, rapper Nas, whose new album is titled “N—–“ and 9/11 conspiracy theorist Mos Def.

    It’s high time the media ask some tough questions. Why has Obama collaborated with rappers? Is he familiar with their words? How could he not be? The senator’s spokesperson said that when he and Ludacris met the two men found common ground on AIDS prevention. How do you find common ground on sexual behavior with someone who calls women “b——?”

    Have any rappers donated to his campaign? Will he return the money? Why has he not renounced support from rappers? Is this going to take 20 years like it did with Reverend Wright?

    At stake here is something more fundamental than Obama’s rank hypocrisy. The willingness to break ranks with allies or anyone in your general orbit is the fundamental moral test for anyone engaged in public life.

    In the 1980s, David Dinkins, New York City’s first black mayor, without any public pressure unequivocally denounced Louis Farrakhan. (In contrast to Jesse Jackson who has not to this day.) Dinkins did not try to offer any context for Farrakhan’s hate mongering or liken him to a misguided uncle as Obama did with Wright.

    Obama should follow Dinkins’ lead. The senator should say that instead of performing songs for him rappers would be better off playing in the Rev. Wright’s choir.

  254. Hey dot,

    I think part of the Obamabot strategy is to wear the other side down.

    they smear, lie, exaggerate, etc. And without this blog and a few other places I don’t know where I’d be.

    All I know is to keep fighting because Hill still is. She is like the Energizer Bunny–

    wouldn’t you love to see that ad with Hill’s face on the bunny. Love it 🙂

  255. Well, i like rap, but I don’t think children should have access to it, even if words are bleeded out. But, I do expect more from a pres hopeful than recording with rap artists and using them in robo calls. That’s an obvious no-no.

  256. picked this up on TM

    Hannity said that Colmes is off tonight so the show tonight will bean “Obama special” focusing on the Million March thing…Colmes came off looking stupid last night with the “Obama was born and raised in Kansas” crap!…Newt literally laughed in his face

  257. rogerwilliams, Michelle and BO gave their charitable contributions to the ballet school their daughters attend. Most of the charitable contributions went to Wright and the ballet school. Sounds very “middleclassism”.

    Soon BO will announce the daughters have joined a soccer league to appeal to the bitter clingers.

  258. Soon BO will announce the daughters have joined a soccer league to appeal to the bitter clingers.

    LMTWAO!

  259. what’s this on ABC, OBAMA PICKS UP THREE WELL-NAMED SUPERDELEGATES INCLUDING LONG-TIME CLINTON FRIEND? WHOOOOO??? WHY NOT SHOW HILLARYS HAD THE SAME AND WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? DIDNT THE BITTERGATE MATTER HAVE ITS IMPACT?

  260. as an afterthought, oh by the way, abc news mentions HRC’s 3 SD pick-up. practically undetectable to the normal listener.

  261. Reich on ABC claiming Clinton’s ads in Pennsylvania were the last straw.

    What a LIAR.

    As everybody knows, he’s been backing Bambi all along. President Clinton ran his economic policy through Robert Rubin and Gene Sperling.

  262. boy they all just keep moving up the goal posts don’t they .. now it’s May 6 for the big “sd” rush LOL

    Even the Fox channel bought into that. If they were going to him, they’d go today or Monday .. to try to keep PA closer than ever. Ain’t buying it.

  263. Originally Posted by Nurserachet on Greta’s Blog

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

    Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.
    The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘post turtle’.’
    Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

    The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’ s a ‘post turtle’.’
    The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain.

    ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just want to help the dumb ass get down

  264. Yeah, I was over at TM, and came across this tidbit. I thought, we could use a laugh.

    Linfar: That is GREAT!

  265. From TM poster:

    LOL!!! I just found out Huffington Post *BREAKING NEWS*

    This is part of it…they’re all in a tither because Hillary said she didn’t like the way moveon.org is operating. LOL! Ya think! Yeah…moveon has been so fair and unbiased, eh? LOL!

    At a small closed-door fundraiser after Super Tuesday, Sen. Hillary Clinton blamed what she called the “activist base” of the Democratic Party — and MoveOn.org in particular — for many of her electoral defeats, saying activists had “flooded” state caucuses and “intimidated” her supporters, according to an audio recording of the event obtained by The Huffington Post.

    “Moveon.org endorsed [Sen. Barack Obama] — which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down,” Clinton said to a meeting of donors. “We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn’t even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that’s what we’re dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and It’s primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don’t agree with them. They know I don’t agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.”

    Good for you Hillary for telling it like it is, they’re all a bunch of thugs over there and I wouldn’t give them the time of day!
    Mary Ellen | Homepage | 04.18.2008 – 6:57 pm | #
    *********

    Many of us who have been to caucuses absolutely know that intimidation and cheating have been what Obama’s campaign has brought to the process. We had thousands of complaints from Clinton supporters re: caucuses, and have collected hundreds of written statements. We’ve always suspected out-of-towners who do this -I just didn’t connect the dots to Moveon.

  266. BREAKING NEWS .. THAT FUNDRAISER WAS IN FEBRUARY.

    HUFFBITCH IS GOING TO GO OVER EVERYTHING HILLARY’S SAID TO TRY TO NITPICK

  267. Not sure if this has been seen, so I apologize for the repeat, but if the supers they are referring to are David Boren and Sam Nunn, doh…they aren’t really supers. Dan, Davids son is a super, but David was the subject today.

    Heres the link:

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/

  268. Greetings, Hillfriends:

    I feel like I’ve entered the Twilight Zone! Yikes! I was awake this morning around 4:30 am and felt the bed shake repeatedly for several minutes. I looked at the dog, at my husband, and couldn’t fathom what was going on. The were sound asleep as the bed continued to shake. Was I imagining this? Was I going a little crazy?

    This morning, I learned on the news that there had indeed been an earthquake in downstate Illinois – that was felt as far away as Indianpolis, St. Louis and Milwaukee – and, yes – up here in Chicago! Hallelujah! I’m not crazy!

    Well, as if that were not a wierd enough start to a Friday, the day got even wierder as it wore on. This afternoon I watched the film of Obama’s speech yesterday, paying special attention to the “brushing off” and the “knifing in the gut” motions that most people were talking about. So-called musical references to “cool” urban expressions of thuggery, theft, misogyny and detachment from their effects. Disgusting.

    But, just as I was thinking that Obama couldn’t be any more rude or arrogant, he… wait a minute… could it be? Did I see… wasn’t that Obama’s MIDDLE FINGER I saw sneakily extended as he talked about the Senator from New York? And, could that possibly have been an appreciative cheer from his crowd of thralls just as he did it? Why was his sly smirk timed just so? A smirk that said that he was really putting on a cool move to “dis” his unsinkable rival? Was I imagining this? Has this race truly and finally driven me mad?

    Then, I dropped in on my Hillfriends at 44. An oasis of sanity in a sea of madness. He DID flip Hillary the bird! I’m not crazy! I did taw a tweety bird! I did! I did! Thank you all.

    And, vote at gretawire.foxnews.com/
    Results so far:
    no 30% (8031 votes)yes 70% (18905 votes)not sure 1% (198 votes)
    Total Votes: 27134

  269. only supporters .. yes, now he gets Breaking Headlines for “supporters”

    Gawd, what is wrong with this picture

  270. only supporters .. yes, now he gets Breaking Headlines for “supporters”

    Gawd, what is wrong with this picture

  271. maybe it’s a leak from the Clinton campaign re: caucuses – there is a lot there in terms of what BO supporters thuggish ways, and it should be exposed.

    someone on TM said it today – “The most liberal elements of the Democratic Party are trying to make a powergrab…” – so, it’s not a bad thing to define Obama with those elements. Most voters will not find the extreme left palatable anyway. Let Obama sink with them.

  272. dot,

    yeah, but we already KNOW that so we can ignore it coz we realize what BS it is.

    FWIW, Lou led with the Whiny Ozamba story and he didn’t sound too impressed. *LOL*

  273. I thought the post turtle story was cute, and the mood on this board today, needed a lift. It made me smile.

  274. so what Obama got today were not superdelegates or what? Im confused? Help me? Show me the proof!

    Also, I can’t believe anyone would go support Obama after he wont count Florida and Michigan?

    Someone should post the USA flag and ask Bruce Springsteen, is this the BORN IN THE USA song you were referring to?

    Also there should be a picture of Obama with his nose sky high looking down at: women, gays, people in the military, bitter gun-clinging church goers, etc

  275. He **thinks** he can talk to one audience one way, then pretend it never happened when talking to a different audience. LIke finger-gate, and bitter-gate, this idiot doesn’t appear to appreciate the consequences of having microphones and picture cell phones everywhere.

    Yes, that’s been the pattern. Like he thinks he can keep his life compartmentalized. He got away with it quoting Malcom X to some Blacks, and sort of got away for a long time with with whites not looking closely at what his church was preaching. But when you’re talking to rich white people and insult poor white people, you don’t get away with that so easy.

    That’s been the pattern in his ‘community organizing.’ Get a crowd of street people and ‘rub raw the sores of discontent’ till they threaten a riot; then go to some board of directors and pretend to be ‘solving’ the problem, translating between the groups, ‘unifying’. — But it doesn’t work if both groups can hear what you’re really saying to the other group.

  276. Informed in Illinois – The “earthquake”: Pray it’s not a sign that the Antichrist is taking hold prematurely, and the heavens aren’t fixing to bear the wrath of God on this entire country. May be good that the Pope happens to be around. Maybe he could perform an exorcism on BHO (NOI IMHO). When this presidential candidate resorts to flipping the finger at HRC and gets away with this totally unacceptable crass low-life behavior- along with all of his other (satanic) associations, AND LEGIONS OF SUPPOSEDLY EDUCATED, INFORMED PEOPLE SUPPORTING HIM – then something as bizarre as an earthquake NOT EVEN NEAR a fault line is pretty much a miracle in itself. The Antichrist loometh. Wake up you bunch of dumbass white people – hopefully you’ll be the first wave to go through any damn Tribulation. I’m really starting to sound like a religious fanatic – and it’s because BHO absolutley scares the hell out of me. And we should all be acting on this intense fear. We are all smack dab in the middle of a Twilight Zone episode – with a heavy dose of Invasion of the Body Snatchers thrown in. Giant grreen pods growing all over the friggin’ place. HELP!!!!!

  277. 1950 – rabble-rousing within different constituencies is the standard Chicago m.o. based on the Alinsky method: “divide and conquer” becomes “divide and ignore” in Chicago. In so doing, deal yourself up the power ladder. This is only possible with a lazy press corps. I think I’ll write to ABC not to cave in – it’s just noise from the wingnuts.

  278. PS – I was in DC yesterday – his Eminence says hello and blessings to all Hillfans at 44. (kidding)

  279. Newsweek latest poll shows Obama up by 19% nationally – BUT ALERT – they sampled 50% African Americans.

    Geoff Garin has to call this shit out – this is ridiculous, any politico will know the poll is about blatant bamboozling, and it’s not even subtle. Jeesh. I have never been much of a conspiracy theorist – but more and more, I think – did Howard Dean, after his spectacular decline, plot this all out – first, let’s takeover the DNC so we can steer it further left and disenfranchise voters if we must to win, next, find the right Manchurian candidate – perhaps someone black so we can smear anyone who criticizes them as racists, next, let’s get the media to collude with us so they can hoodwink the electorate into seeing something other than what they’re witnessing with their own eyes, next takeover the internet to further propaganda…

    unbelievable. Axelrod and Dean must be bosom buddies.

  280. yeah now is the time for Geoff to shed some light on this skewed polling … fox reported it as an outlier but you can’t unring the bell…these polls are to try to sway voters outside PA, no doubt.

    This is disgusting and the more shit they party let allows get by .. the more the resistance grows.

    You know, I sort of feel for the Iraqis now .. honestly, to be invaded and took over for no reason .. it’s hard not to get mad as hell

  281. so it seems Florida and Michigan are simply gonna be left out until Howard Dean and Co chooses Obama?

  282. linfar,

    I do feel tired at the moment. Partly things to do in the real offline world. But partly emotionally tired of answering the same bot nonsense over and over.

    I feel sort of like … too close to the PA election for commenting around the blogosphere to make much difference (if it ever does). Soon we’ll have the results for PA so I’m sort of resting up for that new phase.

    I did recommend yours and a couple more and commented.

    I thought Hillary’s answer on Iraq was great, really clairifed the decision. The results for Iraq are unknown but the results for us are known, and that’s enough. I feel really confident in her getting it done and not wavering.

  283. Lopu disappointed me tonight.

    He let Goodwin and the Ozamba shill get away with saying that if HRC doesn’t win by at least 8 points, and win Indiana where, according to Lou and company Ozamba is leading, that she’ll have to get out. Everyone agreed NC is likely to go to 👿

    Zimmerman tried bringing up how she’s been outspent 3 to 1 but Lou wasn’t buying that.

    Let’s do a candle ceremony Monday evening.

  284. jdog19, you should forward this to the main news stations so they can correct this information

  285. Excerpt from transcript of CNN Interview with Michelle Obama
    (Aired February 1, 2008)
    “… I’m doing what most women are doing, regardless of their race or their socioeconomic status. I’m juggling and struggling to keep my head above water, because this whole balancing act that is now the life of a woman and a family has become more and more impossible…And that’s true for me who has resources. And if we’re struggling, just imagine what’s going on with folks who are getting up, working shift jobs where they don’t have the flexibility to go see their kids’ ballet performances…”

    BALLET PERFORMANCES?!?!

    ROTFL!!!!

    Much less go out to a caucus….

  286. I know what you mean basil. If it’s not PA then it becomes Indiana.
    Also, now it’s not if she wins PA but she has to win by a certain amount. They keep raising the bar!!

  287. rjk1957 Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
    I was thinking, wouldn’t it be hilarious if Hillary pulls off what Obama could not? He thought he was going to win Ohio and then have 50 SD’s march out to announce they are supporting him. We all know what happened to that plan. I would love to see after Hillary’s big win on Tuesday 50 SD’s come out Wednesday morning and say they are endorsing Hillary.

    Ooh, wouldn’t that be loverly! Pull off some big surprise like she did in Las Vegas. Then she could say, “Little Barack can stay in the race as long as he likes.” 🙂

  288. man i hate it when i get that suspension cpu over load message and i am locked out the site! grrrrrrr!

    but ……WOW was that a powerful event!!!!!

    Maya Angelou and Hillary just brought tears to my eyes it was such a beautiful event!!!

    I hope i can get a full video of it ………..WOW!!!

  289. Ballet……….not Little Dribblers, not Softball, goes along with MO chip-on-her-shoulder (I’ll show white America) “Let me tell you something….(bitter, bitter, bitter),” so it’s Russian ballet – uh huh, never mind.

  290. neetabug Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
    Hey everyone i am in Erie PA. Will be canvassing the neighborhoods tomorrow

    Great, neeta! Thanks so much for your hard work! 🙂

  291. They said Erie is Hillarys. The campaign office here sucks. Not very busy. Maybe tomorrow things will pick up

  292. dija – Yes – Thank God Maya Angelou has loyalty and decency and honor, not to mention she actually “gets it” about Hillary being what our country needs. She possesses attributes so sadly lacking in so many who pretended for years to support the Clintons. But then again, she reeks class. Then there’s opportunistic soulless Oprah who can’t decide between Travolta’s Scientology, New Age, Deepak, Morrison, GAYLE, Stedman……….so she “clings” to her dogs…so money (billions) doesn’t always equate with contentment. Ah, but Angelou – talk about DIGNITY vs. Oprah’s DESPAIR.

  293. SO what happened to the rumored Ozmba Bomb that was supposed to have been exploded?

    Not hand wringing but disgusted even more now that I see the thuggish gansta personna Ozamba morphs into on the stump. It is despicable. he is despicable.

    Forget about race relations: What this process is doing to GENDER parity is an attempt to erase 20 or 30 years of progress. I seriously think that’s the point. Race trumps gender. male trumps female . . .
    Feedback, please.

  294. curiosityhasme

    it truly brought tears to my eyes…….i can’t really say that has happened before, close at times but not like this one!

  295. The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’ s a ‘post turtle’.’ ….
    ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just want to help the dumb ass get down

    Heh. I guess that’s non-elitist for ‘promoted beyond his ability.’

  296. They should have used Maya Angelou much more as educated AA’s respect her more than Oprah. People get mad here when I say this, but Hillary deserved so much better from her campaign. It was short sighted and once this ass clown one Iowa, the dirt should have been dug up-not now when she is fighting not only BO, but the DNC, who keeps pointying to the pledged delegates, the popular vote, ETC…I have tried many cases, and win or lose, you never show your hand, and to Hillary’s credit she has done so. Unfortunately, many of her so called political friends ) have failed her miserably.

  297. I mean, between Southern Baptist (?!?) Carter’s chasing Hamas – THEIR endorsement of Obama – along with Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan, New Black Panther Party, Terrorist/Bomber Bill Ayer’s friendship, assiciation to Rezko (shady home purchase) and his association with billionaire Auchi (linked to Sadaam)…TELL ME HOW IN THE HELL DEAN ET AL EXPECT ANY SANE PERSON – INCLUDING DEJECTED DEMOCRATS – TO SELL OUR SOULS TO THE DEVIL (ANTICHRIST) AND FINISH THIS COUNTRY OFF?!? FORGETABOUTIT – NOT GONNA HAPPEN DEAN, BRAZILE, PELOSI.

    Cindy McCain can start choosing colors for new drapes in the West Wing if they succeed in eliminating HRC. IN FACT, I WILL DO EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO HELP IN DEFEATING ANY SD SUPPORTING BHO AND ANYONE MOVEON ENDORSES. I, like millions am willing to roll the dice on left-leaning McCain if it comes down to it. Still can’t believe how many STUPID PEOPLE DO NOT CARE WHAT AN OUTRIGHT TRAITOR BHO REPRESENTS TO THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. ROLE MODEL? UH-NO!!

  298. Informed in Illinois Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
    1950 – rabble-rousing within different constituencies is the standard Chicago m.o. based on the Alinsky method: “divide and conquer” becomes “divide and ignore” in Chicago. In so doing, deal yourself up the power ladder. This is only possible with a lazy press corps. I think I’ll write to ABC not to cave in – it’s just noise from the wingnuts.

    I read the Lizza/Alinsky thing. It looks like Obama is doing that same thing on a national scale. ‘Rubbing the sores of discontent’ by making up a rule that says ‘SDs must endorse a delegate lead’ so he can make his supporters mad enough to threaten the DNC.

    It’s got to the point of rioters lined up for Denver if he doesn’t get his way, and some Dems wanting to give him his way so that doesn’t happen.

    So — in Chicago, what’s the counter to that kind of tactics?

  299. Lninla,

    I don’t think we need to see it quite that deliberate and elaborate. Maybe Dean chose to put SC early and kneecap FL/MI to set things up for Obama. But the media has always been anti-Clinton (or pro whatever will elect the GOP). Obama has been on the make since before 1996.

    Some of the DNC elitists may have given Obama a hand now and then (chosen for keynote speaker).

    Was Dean or the DNC responsible for so many states turning to caucuses, and having them all in a row in February?

  300. repost – I hate that this org associated with Moveon is PRETENDING like they’re protesting the media for Clinton as well – WHERE THE HELL WERE THEY against Russert, Olbermann, MSNBC who are clearly character assassinating Clinton every day? They’re planning to harrass ABC employees and force them to wear flag pins. Sadly, I guess this is what’s going to be out in force at the convention.

    **********

    Did you watch ABC’s prime-time character assassination of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton last night?
    The day after this disastrous ‘debate,’ Americans are shaking their heads in disbelief at what they witnessed, sarcastically speculating whether ABC News decided to launch an early roll-out of the Republican ‘swift boat’ campaign. Editor & Publisher called it ‘perhaps the most embarrassing performance by the media in a major presidential debate in years.’
    Our friends at MoveOn produced a short YouTube video on Wednesday’s travesty (watch it here) and described the most unbelievable moment:

    ‘Moderators George Stephanopolous and Charlie Gibson spent the first 50 minutes obsessed with distractions that only political insiders care about–gaffes, polling numbers, the stale Rev. Wright story, and the old-news Bosnia story. And, channeling Karl Rove, directed a video question to Barack Obama asking if he loves the American flag or not. Seriously.’

    It’s worse than that — the video question specifically asked Obama about his thoughtful reluctance to wear an American flag-pin lapel. Apparently, wearing a flag pin is a legitimate symbolic proxy for whether or not a person is patriotic enough to be President. Questions about global warming, the economy, and the war? Mere trivialities in ABC’s bizarro world.
    Enough is enough. David Dayen, a netroots activist and friend of the Courage Campaign, called us a few hours ago with an idea. We’re moving on his inspiration right now:
    Please join us at ABC’s headquarters in Burbank on FRIDAY to protest and pass out flag pins to ABC employees leaving their Disney corporate office. Your mission: Ask ABC/Disney employees whether they can pass their own flag-pin litmus test: ‘Are you patriotic enough to wear a flag-pin?’
    We need to know how many people are coming, so watch MoveOn’s video and PLEASE RSVP NOW:
    http://www.couragecampaign.org/FlagPinProtest
    At 4 p.m. please join the Courage Campaign and your fellow activists at ABC’s Disney Studios in Burbank in front of the West Alameda Gate, between S. Buena Vista and S. Keystone Streets (click here for a map). We’re going to protest ABC’s debate disaster and ask their employees to pass the flag-pin litmus test until about 7 p.m.
    This isn’t the first time the Courage Campaign has protested against ABC. Two years ago, ABC aired the ‘Path to 9/11’ propaganda hit piece on Bill Clinton and we were there to correct the record.
    Now, it’s time for us to let ABC know that wearing a flag pin isn’t patriotism. Patriotism means standing up for the values embedded in our Constitution — and speaking out when those values are endangered by the corporate media’s fascination with scandal over substance.
    We’ve got the flag pins. Now, we just need you. Please join us to speak out against ABC/Disney’s appalling abuse of our public airwaves on Friday in Burbank, anytime from 4-7 p.m.:

    couragecampaign.org/FlagPinProtest

  301. 1950 democrat: The Mob – Italian, that is – not Islamic. I’ll put my money on Sicilians any day over NOI.

    Or – ANNIE OAKLEY CAN MORPH INTO (Debbie Reynold’s) DENVER’S OWN UNSINKABLE MOLLY BROWN – WHO REFUSED TO GO DOWN WITH THE TITANIC (BHO AND THE DNC). GIDDY-UP, YEE-HAW! HEY – I’M FROM TEXAS (HOME OF ILLEGAL CAUCUSES) – WE CAN STAGE A MARTY ROBBIN’S SHOOTOUT LIKE DOWN IN EL PASO CITY. BILL RICHARDSON CAN PLAY THE ROLL OF SPY FOR BHO – YOU KNOW THE TYPE. THE VILLAINS ALWAYS TURN ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE. REALLY GETTING A VISUAL OF THE GOOD (HRC), THE BAD (BHO) AND THE UGLY (DEAN, BRAZILE, PELOSI, RICHARDSON). O’REILLY’S GOT ME INTO THIS 1959 WESTERN THING. (20 WESTERNS THAT SEASON – SAME SEASON OF ROBBINS’ GUNFIGHTERS AND BALLADS) GUESS YOU KNOW WHAT CD I LISTEN TO WHILE ROAMING THE FREEWAYS TO WORK – LITTLE DRAMA I GUESS. AND WE THOUGHT THAR WAS TV VIOLENCE. PRECIOUS MEMORIES, HOW THEY LINGER.

  302. argh – reposting again – just an FYI – local organization likely affiliated with Moveon protesting ABC in Burbank, CA – what I hate is that they’re pretending like they’re protesting media bias against Clinton too – which is BS – where are they when Olbermann and the rest of MSNBC are trodding all over her? Here’s the email from

    “Courage campaign”

    Did you watch ABC’s prime-time character assassination of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton last night?

    The day after this disastrous “debate,” Americans are shaking their heads in disbelief at what they witnessed, sarcastically speculating whether ABC News decided to launch an early roll-out of the Republican “swift boat” campaign. Editor & Publisher called it “perhaps the most embarrassing performance by the media in a major presidential debate in years.” [snip]

    At 4 p.m. please join the Courage Campaign and your fellow activists at ABC’s Disney Studios in Burbank in front of the West Alameda Gate, between S. Buena Vista and S. Keystone Streets (click here for a map). We’re going to protest ABC’s debate disaster and ask their employees to pass the flag-pin litmus test until about 7 p.m.
    **************
    here’s my reply:

    i fail to see why now, why specifically ABC when MSNBC has on a daily basis, through Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Andrea Mitchell, Nora O’Donnell, guests Rachel Maddow and that comb-over guy from Newsweek and his boss, Richard Wolffe, participated in a daily, yes DAILY, character assassination of Senator Clinton?

    Where was the “Courage Campaign” when just a few weeks ago 11,000 pages of Clinton’s First Lady schedule was released and ABC’s biggest new story was where was Hillary Clinton on the day of the “blue dress” scandal?

    If you were truly for non-biased media, you would be working to protest non-truths, rumors, negative framing, unfair and unbalanced coverage of both candidates, equally. WHY NOW? If you’re FOR OBAMA…then state it, don’t pretend like you’re fighting for media fairness…you’re fighting against Clinton and just a tool of Moveon.org

  303. Oh, Puleeze. How phony is that? Leave HRC out of it. They have fed her to the wolves. Meaning, they have eaten her alive, since they are part of the wolf pack. Disgusting, simply disgusting – like they think ANYBODY buys ANY of their garbage/messages and doesn’t see right through their phoniness.

  304. Is anybody watching Hannity and Coombs? Hannity is actually making Hillary’s argument to the superdelegates! He is citing polls that show Obama’s negatives may could be a killer for his campaign in the GE.

  305. Hope Dean has to pick up his stethoscope again and fight with insurance companies over reimbursement rates, take call, find another job for his brother (office manager?) and support his whole fam damily. Also, hope Brazile is out on the streets, leading the campaign for yet another LOSER, Pelosi is kicked to the curb (now THERE’S AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR ALL WOMEN), and Richardson is SOUNDLY DEFEATED in his next election. They think they’re all going to be sitting at the looooooong corporate table as part of BHO’s administration. If they want to sit a table like that (like BC put BR on – the ingrate), then they can bid for one on ebay. With luck, they’ll find matching chairs.

  306. lninla Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Newsweek latest poll shows Obama up by 19% nationally – BUT ALERT – they sampled 50% African Americans.

    ………………………………………………………………………………………….

    I looked at the poll graphics and that didn’t show 50% were did you hear this and yes this is huge news!

  307. jack cafferty, is a little asshole! How do I contact this little b…ch! I am done with everyday him trying to kill Hillary! Where does he get the right to do what he does! Please lets protest these people, who lives near the headquarters? I will fly my ass out there and walk that ass to his car with a big ass picket sign!

  308. Winhillary, I wish I was closer to wherever Cafferty is, because I would love to help you stick that big ass protest sign where the sun don’t shine with you!!!
    I can’t find the turtle joke, I want to share, does anyone know what post it was in?

  309. hillbill

    i thought it was fitting 😀

    HINT: this whole turtle on a fence post would be a great diary on who and why bo is where he is and the multiple personalities of BO

  310. found on TM
    birdgal Says:

    April 18th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
    Originally Posted by Nurserachet on Greta’s Blog

    While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

    Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.
    The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘post turtle’.’
    Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

    The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’ s a ‘post turtle’.’
    The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain.

    ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just want to help the dumb ass get down

  311. I wish Bill Clinton would call out Howard Dean, without blowing his top. Someone needs to call the little bastard out for his failure as a head of the DNC. He sucks at fundraising, he sucks at running the committee. This guy..sucks.

    IMO, its time to get frank about the left wing conspiracy to steal this nomination.

  312. DNC is probably still in debt and that is why Dean in a panic. To tell you how bad it is Hillary’s campaign probaly has 10 times the amount of money for the GE than the DNC has. I think I heard a while ago she has around 30 million and the DNC 3 million.

  313. the campaign now must tell the truth to america. it has so many accounts of abuse by bambi thugs. as a supporter i demand our stories no be aired by the campaign.-
    Clinton Blamed Party’s “Activist Base” for Defeats at Post-Super Tuesday Fundraiser
    Friday, April 18th, 2008

    Getty

    Audio provided to the Huffington Post finds Clinton railing against the Obama-backing group MoveOn.org at a closed press event of a small group of donors in February.

    “We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn’t even want us to go into Afghanistan…They know I don’t agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.”

    MoveOn.org: “Senator Clinton has her facts wrong again.”

    The Obama campaign e-mails the story to reporters with the subject line: “CAUGHT ON TAPE.”

    Clinton camp’s Howard Wolfson verified the audio’s authenticity, said there are documented cases of intimidation in Nevada, Texas contests.

    thepage.time.com/2008/04/18/clinton-blames-partys-activist-base-for-defeats-at-post-super-tuesday-fundraiser/

  314. journalists calling out “journalists for Obama” –

    politico.com/news/stories/0408/9718.html

    [excerpt]

    But there was nothing to justify Tom Shales’s hyperbolic review (“shoddy, despicable performances” by Gibson and Stephanopoulos) in the Washington Post or Greg Mitchell’s in Editor & Publisher (“perhaps the most embarrassing performance by the media in a major presidential debate in years.”) Others, like Time’s Michael Grunwald, likewise weighed in against ABC.

    In fact, the balance of political questions (15) to policy questions (13) was more substantive than other debates this year that prompted no deluge of protests. The difference is that this time there were more hard questions for Obama than for Clinton.

    Moreover, those questions about Jeremiah Wright, about Obama’s association with 1960s radical William Ayers, about apparent contradictions between his past and present views on proven wedge issues like gun control, were entirely in-bounds. If anything they were overdue for a front-runner and likely nominee.

  315. Obama’s secret weapon: the media

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9718.html

    from a three page article[Obama’s secret weapon: the media] over at politico tonight

    My, oh my, but weren’t those fellows from ABC News rude to Barack Obama at this week’s presidential debate.

    Nothing but petty, process-oriented questions, asked in a prosecutorial tone, about the Democratic front-runner’s personal associations and his electablity. Where was the substance? Where was the balance?
    Where indeed. Hillary Clinton and her aides have been complaining for months about imbalance in news coverage. For the most part, the reaction to her from the political-media commentariat has been: Stop whining.

    That’s still a good response now that it is Obama partisans—some of whom are showing up in distressingly inappropriate places—who are doing the whining.

    SNIP:

    But there was nothing like the piling on from journalists rushing to validate the Obama criticisms and denouncing ABC’s performance as journalistically unsound.

    The response was itself a warning about a huge challenge for reporters in the 2008 cycle: Preserving professional detachment in a race that will likely feature two nominees, Obama and John McCain, who so far have been beneficiaries of media cheerleading.

    SNIP:
    If Obama was covered like Clinton is, one feels certain the media focus would not have been on the questions, but on a candidate performance that at times seemed tinny, impatient, and uncertain.

    The difference seems clear: Many journalists are not merely observers but participants in the Obama phenomenon.

    SNIP:

    But the fact that lots of reporters personally like the guy—and a few seem to have an open crush—did not hurt.

    But the protectiveness toward Obama revealed in the embarrassing rush of many journalists to his side this week does touch on at least four deeper trends in the news business.

    1. The breakdown of journalistic conventions about point-of-view. In an earlier era these standards—favoring austere, stoical language conveying voice of God authority—were designed in part to ensure that stories betrayed no hint of the writer’s real feelings.

    SNIP

    . This shift allows a respected pro like the Associated Press’s Ron Fournier to unsheathe a knife and write this sentence earlier this year about Mitt Romney: “The former Massachusetts governor pandered to voters, distorted his opponents’ record and continued to show why he’s the most malleable — and least credible — major presidential candidate.”

    This shift is also what allows NBC News to feel comfortable with its Obama reporter, Lee Cowan, who has acknowledged that he finds it hard to keep his objectivity covering Obama.

    But when does a legitimate attempt to capture the energy and mood of a political movement become boosterism?

    SNIP

    It is a thin and often illegible line between this kind of journalism and outright favoritism.

    Wherever the line, it is clear that the profession collectively has stepped over it—based as much on what it hasn’t covered as what it has.

    SNIP

    It is not an easy balance. It is not reporters’ jobs to promote the opposition’s storylines—especially dubious ones like the suggestion that because Obama does not favor flag pins on his lapel it reflects adversely on his patriotism. But nor can a serious reporter avert his or her gaze from the fact that questions about how well candidates connect personally and culturally with voters matter a lot—they were decisive factors in both the 2000 and 2004 elections.

    Gibson and Stephanopoulos handled this balancing act responsibly. They asked tough questions of both candidates. In the wake of the debate, it is time for Obama’s cheerleaders in the media to ask some questions of themselves.

  316. Ok I had an account with moveon.org and the other day it asked for me to sign the media petition, I declined and clicked on trying to get myself removed also i left a message, today I got an email again telling me they were raising the quota and THANKED ME for my signature! Unbelievable, I respect their causes but not with politics and i let a not to tell them that but I did not click on anything to give them my signature!

  317. Top Hillary Fundraisers Rip Into Howard Dean For Saying Super-Dels Should Announce Support “Starting Now”
    By Greg Sargent – April 18, 2008, 2:27PM

    Two of Hillary Clinton’s most prominent fundraisers tore into Howard Dean in interviews with me today, sharply criticizing the DNC chair for saying yesterday that super-delegates should say which Dem candidate they support “starting now.”

    “Governor Dean should do what he has said he will do — refrain from injecting himself into the primary process, as millions of Democrats have yet to cast their votes,” Hillary national finance chair Hassan Nemazee, one of the most influential fundraisers in the Democratic Party, told me today.

    “If he wishes to do something productive,” Nemazee continued, “he should exhibit the leadership necessary to resolve the Florida and Michigan impasse, which has disenfranchised millions of Democratic voters.”

    A second prominent Democratic fundraiser, Robert Zimmerman, a Democratic National Committeeman and key Hillary fundraiser, sounded a similar note in an interview with me today.

    “Howard Dean is more committed to pressuring the super delegates to make up their minds before the voting is done than he is to ensuring that Michigan and Florida’s votes are counted,” Zimmerman charged.

    He added that Dean could “best ensure that we have a strong Democratic nominee and a united party” by focusing on those two states, rather than pressuring super-dels.

    It’s unusual for major institutional players like Nemazee and Zimmerman to attack the party chair in such biting terms, and the comments represent the boiling over of tensions between Dean and top Hillary money people that have simmered out of view for weeks.

    Asked for a response, DNC spokesperson Karen Finney said: “Governor Dean’s position remains the same and is consistent with what he has said for weeks now, that ideally he’d like super-delegates to continue to make their preferences known by the end of June.”

    Though it’s unclear what Dean can do to force a resolution of the Florida and Michigan situations, Hillary fundraisers are frustrated that Dean hasn’t used his role as party leader to push harder behind-the-scenes for a compromise between the campaigns.

    Earlier this month, major Hillary fundraisers exchanged sharp words with Dean at a private donor summit meeting in Manhattan. Now they’ve gone public with their displeasure, and it’s probably not lost on the DNC that many major Hillary donors are also major DNC fundraisers.

    Hillary money people also targeted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi not long ago, writing her a letter tacitly threatening to withhold funds if she didn’t publicly embrace the stance that super-dels should be free to use their own judgment in deciding between the candidates.

    The Dean quote that set off Hillary’s fundraisers today was this, on CNN:

    “I need them to say who they’re for starting now…We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time. We’ve got to know who our nominee is.” A bit later, Dean reiterated his previous position that he wants this wrapped up by June.

    Late Update: Here’s Dean’s full quote:

    I need them to say who they’re for starting now. They really do need to do that. We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time. We’ve got to know who our nominee is. There’s no reason not to know after the last primary on June 3rd. So the superdelegates have been pretty good so far. They’ve trickled in, made alliances known as things have gone on. They need to keep doing that so we can get all this wrapped up in June.

  318. Dean: Resolve the MI and FL situations, then we can discuss a nominee. This primary is illegitimate without FL and MI delegates and votes.

  319. thehill.com/byron-york/barack-and-the-bomber-2008-04-17.html

    Barack and the bomber
    By Byron York
    Posted: 04/17/08 05:51 PM [ET]

    If we’re judged by those with whom we associate, here’s a question:

    Would you rather be associated with a ’60s radical who plotted to bomb the Pentagon and to this day believes, as he said a few years ago, “I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough,” or would you rather be associated with — slight pause, please — Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.)?

    SNIP
    Do you believe that would endear Obama to voters in the Democratic primaries?

    As it was, Obama used his Senate colleague Coburn to suggest that the issue was not one of violence, and radicalism, and lawbreaking, but rather a simple disagreement: Sen. Coburn and I disagree on some things, and yet we’re still friendly. Bill Ayers and I disagree on some things, and yet we’re still friendly. So what’s the problem?

    That’s not quite good enough.

    Obama needs to tell us more about his relationship with Ayers. It’s important because voters might well wonder whether that relationship, coupled with Obama’s longtime relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is the beginning of a pattern, a pattern in which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really don’t like the United States of America.

    It’s a reasonable question, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was right to suggest that Republicans will raise it in the general election campaign if Obama is the Democratic candidate.

    They will — and they should.

    Why not clear it up now?

    York is a White House correspondent for National Review. His column appears in The Hill each week. E-mail: byork@nationalreview.com

  320. “You have to put together blue-collar workers, veterans, seniors and swing evangelical voters and compete in states like West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania,” Turnham added. “I feel like Hillary has shown more strength there.”

    Stop the presses! A SD with common sense talking about demographics and elecoral coalitions. Don’t worry, sir, if we nominate God’s Son the sky will open on Electon Day and rain down registered voters, thus solving Obama’s inability to attract any.

  321. news in tx-
    HOUSTON CHRONICLE

    April 18, 2008
    Challenges pile up for Texas Demo convention

    Texas Democratic leaders will have to sort through at least 120 challenges filed with the state party over delegate seating for the state convention June 5-7 in Austin.

    Normally, disputes over delegate allocation amount to only a small handful, state party spokesman Hector Nieto says.

    But the intense presidential rivalry between Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has provoked intra-party warfare – and thus the fight over delegates.

    One of the official challenges comes from El Paso’s SD 29, where Clinton supporters had a 75-25 percent margin in the sign-in sheets for the party’s county convention on March 29.

    Texas Democratic Party rules say the delegation leaving the county convention to the state convention should reflected the sign in sheets. In this El Paso case, Clinton should have had 75 percent of El Paso’s slotted delegates to the state convention, but the Clinton supporters grabbed 90 percent of the delegates, according to the challenge..

    And that alleged power grab left the Obama delegation 26 delegates short, according to a challenge filed by lawyer Don Williams, who also is president of the Black El Paso Democrats.

    Williams asks the state party not to seat the El Paso delegation at the state convention, unless 26 delegates are taken from the Clinton camp and given to the Obama side.

    More than 7,000 delegates will be going to the state Democrat convention. Nieto speculated that “hundreds of delegates” are in dispute.

    A temporary credentials committee will consider the delegate challenges in the days leading up to the convention. Unresolved disputes will go to the permanent credentials committee, Nieto says.

    Of course, one of the presidential candidates might go away by the time of Texas’ state Democratic convention, which would help some of those delegate challenges go away, too.

    Posted by Gary Scharrer at April 18, 2008 01:10 PM

    blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/archives/2008/04/challenges_pile.html

    —————

  322. gerond

    well if one is thinking that, then i am certain that he is sharing his views with the other SD too in this press release as well as behind closed doors 😀

  323. T4H

    well i am sure hillary camp has their own disputes from caucus that will counter challenge that one 😀

  324. my hubby is in a play and the cast is going out for drinks afterwards, i got to go get ready 😀 ……see you all in the morning!

  325. obamabots are trying smear hilllary with reamrks she made defending her abused supporters at the hands of moveon. wolfson says tongith that she said every word and folks were abused in tx etc.. my hpe is some of the sotries we got will be released to the rpess to prove so. this is a moment we have waited for.obamabots went to far-and its a golden oppor to show his camp as thugs guys

  326. Obama will be the bitter one at the end of this campaign

    “Some liberal commentators have downplayed the effect of Barack Obama’s recent fundraising speech in San Francisco. But that’s wishful thinking. Along with the revelations about Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright, his remarks in San Francisco will haunt him not only in the upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia, but also in the general election against John McCain, assuming he gets the Democratic nomination.” read more

    seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/359670_obama20.html

  327. djia – thanks for the articles and excerpts –

    the DNC article makes me curious – we as voters and Hillary supporters are absolutely furious and most of us will not vote for BO – I wonder what Hillary’s major fundraisers are going through – knowing the behind-the-scenes, they are probably furious as well – I wonder if this will permanently damage their desire to give to the DNC. Hope so.

    Time for another Dem party to emerge – Howard Dean, Moveon and the hijacked DNC can go to hell.

  328. Say Dean – who named you GOD? Between you and the Antichrist – I’m headed at least to the International Space Station as fast as I can get there. Maybe there’s hope outside of this world; this may be the way to spend your retirement, eh?

  329. 1950democrat Says:
    April 18th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
    I read the Lizza/Alinsky thing. It looks like Obama is doing that same thing on a national scale. ‘Rubbing the sores of discontent’ by making up a rule that says ‘SDs must endorse a delegate lead’ so he can make his supporters mad enough to threaten the DNC.

    It’s got to the point of rioters lined up for Denver if he doesn’t get his way, and some Dems wanting to give him his way so that doesn’t happen.

    So — in Chicago, what’s the counter to that kind of tactics?

    * * * * * * * * *
    1950: good question! Yes, BO-BO is employing what he learned in his “community organizing” years – more power-dealing than actually helping people, most likely.

    Counter-solutions take at least some time and require aggressive intervention – essentially fighting fire with fire. There is no magic bullet, IMHO.
    – cultivate press so you can re-educate audiences and (re)shape opinion. Must aggressively be out in front on issues – use the web.
    – meet with malcontents and offer them a better deal with more power
    – organize, organize, organize (most of winning elections or caucuses is showing up)
    Take a page from the current Mayor Daley’s book, post Harold Washington. He he co-opted most of the (Harold) Washington coalition and essentially neutered any opposition to anything he wants. Even Helen Schiller who was a former Black Panther (she is white and Jewish) and activist and didn’t vote for a Daley budget for years. She now votes “yes” every time and rarely opposes the mayor on anything. What did he do? He lets her run her ward like a poverty pimp without interference, as long as she supports him on issues/projects that are most important to him – or his cronies. Many other black wards, are similar. This isn’t about what is good for the city or for voters – it’s all about power – and often money.

    But the cycle goes on. Last city election, the unions ran opponents for the Daley aldermen that voted to bring Wal-Mart into the city – and ousted many Daley supporters especially from key downtown wards – by out-organizing them and winning key coverage and public opinion.

    So, for Hillary: new and consistent charm offensive with the press? I know she was doing that with the local press in PA and IN – hopefully with her staff changes, they’ll reemphasize those priorities and get enough staff on it.

    Well, I know I’ve just scratched the surface – and there are many people on this board who could teach a course on these subjects!

  330. PS – IMO, HRC surrogates have not been nearly aggressive enough correcting misinformation like “it’s a rule that if no candidate has enough delegates, the one with the most delegates, states and popular vote gets the nom.” It’s simply NOT a rule! Never was and for good reasons.

  331. Here’s my theory” Apparently the DNC is in pretty much dire financial (embarrasingly so) straits. So…why can’t all of the big $$$ donors file suit for their donations to be returned due to BAD FAITH (esp. FL & MI), THEN these same donors establish an independent party – doesn’t have to be called that – or Moderate Patriots – whatever – and draft HRC like – say, yesterday? I am so very serious. Let true blue Americans rally around a REAL CAUSE for democracy – and not allow the hijcking/conspiracy of the OLD DNC to succeed. Sure, it’s a huge long shot…but drastic times call for drastic measures. There are enough FED UP and “BITTER” TYPICAL WHITE AMERICANS – GUNS, GODS, AND GAYS – TO REJECT BHO AND HIS ARMY OF ROBOTS AND THE GOP WITH THEIR HUNDRED YEAR WAR. SOROS, BLOOMBERG MAY HOLD THE $$$, BUT SOMETIMES IT TAKES A REVOLUTION (CHECK OUT ELITIST MARIE ANTOINETTE) TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS AND CHANGE THE WORLD WHILE YOU’RE AT IT. STRENGTH IN NUMBERS PEOPLE. STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. STATUS QUO HE STATES? LET THEM EAT CAKE MO STATES? STORM THE GATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  332. hi hillfans. for the first time this year my wife told me she will not support obama if he is the nominee. suprizing becuase she was ok with him until now.

  333. Ininla: In our our own precinct in Texas – because the person in charge of the caucus was in the bag for BHO – he allowed those supporters to filter in past time for the caucus count to begin, while turning away obvious HRC supporters. As a result, what would have been approx 70%-30% HRC, ended up about 55%-45% HRC due to his shenanigans – and a lax oversight by the county. Unfortunately this corner of TX wetn BHO due to high numbers of AA, but nevertheless – this was illegal. Reported, signed notarized affadavit in atty office – as I’m sure others did as well. Witnesses can validate. Not until we gathered at end of March at the Dem county convention did the law (police) have to get involved over credentialing committees cutting deals when people tired out and went home, but it got real ugly. NEED TO OUTLAW CAUCUSES IN ALL STATES. NOT REPRESENTATIONAL OF ELECTORATE IN THE FIRST PLACE. SHEER BEDLAM AND UTTER CHAOS. NOT TI MENTION ILLEGAL IN ACTIVITY!!! KEEP UP THE PRESSURE TO KICK OUT RESULTS!!!

  334. My, how four years can change the landscape. Last presidential election, we (Democrats) were having to explain that Republicans did not have a corner on the religious market, and we constantly had to fight that perception. But NEVER did I think we could find ourselves in the position of defending ANY of this BHO shit. I don’t intend to defend – not for one minute – that I condone homegrown terrorism (Ayers), anti-American hate (Wright, Farrakhan), anti-patriotism (label pin, MO), elitist attitudes toward guns, God, and gays, nor dirty money from the Middle East (Rezko, Auchi, Sadaam Hussein) that bought influence, hospital positions (MO) or a homestead in Hyde Park. I, along with millions of other recovering Dems – will distance myself as far away as possible from a party that has BETRAYED ITS TRUE BASE. We’ve all been summarily dismissed..and we will do the same, never to return to it’s fold. I will not be able to call myself a Democrat, as BHO and Dean et all have brought nothing but SHAME to this party. What country is this?!?

  335. And as far as “bringing young people into the system” – well, let me just say – if they don’t know what in the hell they’re doing (WHICH MOST DON’T), and have no clue about the real issues – then they don’t need to cast a vote as if this were the fall season of American Idol. Not until THEY are paying the bills, mortgages, auto loans, taxes, tuition, phone bills, light bills, food to feed a family. THEN THEY GET TO HAVE AN OPINION.

  336. Yes, Curiosityhasme, I was just reading posts on Politico about the Moveon.org comments and they many of those folks seem to think we are actually Republicans. Apparently we centrists are no longer “true” democrats. I can’t believe they are foolishly trying to push us out of the party, but if they succeed things will never be the same, and I don’t see another Democrat ever taking office in the White House. Stupid, stupid, stupid!

  337. I was a little surprised that the CNN special segment tonight on Hillary was not bad at all. It did cover some of the scandals, but they didn’t do tabloid. I thought it was pretty ok.

  338. Curiosityhasme, while I understand your complaint about the whole “young people” argument, as a 21 y/o Hillary supporter who lives on my own and DOES have those bills to pay, I take a little bit of offense to that. I hate the idea that all young people support Obama, when in fact, all my INDEPEDENT 18-24 y/o friends are supporting Hillary because they know what the real world is and the kind of President we need to deal with it. Let’s not make broad statements to offend them.

  339. HillBillyLover: Good deduction. Makes you feel like a man (or woman) without a country. Or at least without a party. If anyone had told me in January I would be listening to talk radio or watching Fox News – I would have laughed. But hey – I had no clue that the party I believed in, had dismissed moderate views and was in the process of selling it’s soul (literally,IMHO) to the devil (Antichrist). Apparently, neither did the Clinton campaign. Surely, if they had known the depth and breadth of this satanic cult-like following, they would have reassessed the situation , and at least revised their campaign. I guess we trusting, lovers of freedom, democracy and American values were asleep-at-the-wheel, trusting that others had the same thoughts. Evil has pervaded our society in so many insidious ways, that I hardly recognize old standbys anymore. Our country is being taken over in a coup, without them firing a shot. Cold and calculated. So many conspirators. From Oprah to Carter, traitors like Richardson, Reich. Scary times. Very scary. Did someone say Revelations? And revolution? Long sigh.

  340. fdrjim here – hello everyone – norma desmond here with me – driving trough NJ to FL – come join us April 30 in DC for a Count our Vote rally – in the AM in front of the DNC – we are bussing over 500 people from Florida –

  341. Fellow Hillfans, at the risk of being insulted, I want to float an idea I have.

    What if I were to organize a meeting of HRC supporters and we were to take our concerns across the street to the state Dem HQ. Call it a peaceful sit-in until the state party chair hears our concerns.My rationale is:

    They are going to put pressure on us this week, regardless of the PA outcome. I wrote to a powerful Dem in my state just now and told her to expect an exodus – a walkout of the ‘silent majority’ – if they (Crazy Dean, Pelosi) keep treating President and Senator Clinton this way.

  342. wagner, I think that is essentially what these two large Hillary fundraisers are doing. I think it is a good idea, but money talks. It seems to be the only thing that talks these days, unfortunately.

  343. mydd front page gloats how clintons supporters were never abused by bambi’s thugs. the clinton camp has thousands of true horror stories, police reports and more. i say release em. i will be damned if this gets legs and everyone denies bambi camp acts lovingly to us hillary folks.

  344. zcflint09: Point well made. And I’m personally thrilled to hear from someone who hasn’t swallowed the koolaid. I was married and had a child at 21, very mature and responsible for my age (at least I thought) and have always tried to see all sidees of an issue. I know there have to be many, many level-headed young people who support HRC and McCain, for that matter – who are well-versed on issues and have a real head on their shoulders. It is very distressing to hear about the “hordes of young people” who think BHO is the bomb. Well, there’s a bomb, allright – detonated by his friend Ayers against the United States. Thank you for calling me out on this. I needed that. I am guilty of MSM working on my fears that millions of zany 18-25 year-olds want to legalize pot, strip everything that is American, give the finger to values, and declare that Baby Boomers are no longer relevant. It’s probably these celebrities that talk about how their children “led’ them to Obama. Puleeze. Anyway, please pick up the mantle that our fathers and grandfathers (maybe your great or great-great grandfathers) fought and sometimes died for – the Greatest Generation that saved and made this nation the greatest in the world. Talk to as many veterans as you can before they are no longer with us, and you will sense the sacrifices they made. It’s very humbling, if not embarrasing, as we are so spoiled. My sense is that you already have, and you know this to be true. Please rally every young person you can, and talk some sense into them. I understand they want to go with the crowd, but they are really so differenct from the “original hippies.” Real flower children would reject BHO – they were anti-phoniness, all about love, and peace. He is a manufactured commodity, and a racist of the most beguiling kind. He is taking advantage of the youth vulnerability, which may be the worst crime of all. Those young people may just want to relocate to Amsterdam.

  345. “Apparently we centrists are no longer “true” democrats”

    *shrugs* Most of Obama’s supporters online, like the blogger boy types are centrists, they’re just misogynists. It’s not really an ideological thing, Clinton gets support from left, right, and center. It’s more like a turf war with these young guys who want to run everything and classwise don’t feel comfortable around most Democratic voters.

  346. pm – we will be there April 30 AM – several FL elected officials will be there as well – you will see many of us with our FDR shirts (Democratic Math: 1.7 million + $20 million = 0)

  347. I am waiting for the backlash with young people. You know how it is when you are young…by the time something goes mainstream, you are on to what’s next. I think that group of student in PA that just came out for Hillary may be signalling that Obie isn’t quite as cool as he used to be.

  348. HillBilly, I was thinking that too. I think that’s why he did brush your shoulders, and the boring Colbert thing.

  349. wagner1jc: Great idea. I’m relegated to Texas, and wish I could make the road trip – but work locks me in. This summer is a different story. I’ll be ready to roll then. I will do anything humanly possible to help take down BHO and the conspirators who are in the midst of the biggest hijacking of democracy in American (if not world) history. I am also on board to take down media outlets who have been co-conspirators in this command system propoganda. Marxism and elitism abounds. Pass on any information to us. Thank you for your ideas and courage.

  350. Please do not demean young voters. She won the youth vote in MA and CA. With any luck, she will win it in PA. That UPenn newspaper endorsement was one of her best yet.

  351. If you are in AZ and want to help private me at joaquin.jq@gmail.com, we can organize a plan.

    p.s. trolls can send whatever hate mail they want. I LOVE trolls, they taste great with fava beans and nice chianti.

  352. It’s kind of funny, if you go to an HRC event, the older ladies who are stereotyped in the press as being Hill voters are so stunned and happy to actually see tons of young people there. lol She’s got young support too, but the media tends to ignore actual young people and make like Democratic men in their 40’s, politically connected latte types who are hoping to get jobs from Obama into the spokespeople for young voters, or something.

  353. mj – please peruse all posts before taking on roll (again) of blog police. Thank you. I am a blogger who spends time getting points across, not attacking others. But I also have neighbors who need to get a life.

  354. HillBillyLover:
    Exactly. Don’t need another mother. Already have one. I had very tasteful reply to zcflint09 concerning youth, and had moved on. Don’t like ruts either. Too many really important matters at hand. Wasting on time on trivial bullshit doesn’t make the list.

  355. Well, here is a change of pace a politician airing an ad not to say vote for me or vote for so and so JUST VOTE. After seeing his ad I take it to mean he vote at the convention the way his district goes.

    The 10th congressional district should be Hillary territory by a big margin.

    CARNEY TO PA: GO VOTE

    From NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum
    Congressman Chris Carney (PA-10) has a new TV ad out, and it’s not directly about his upcoming 2008 re-election race for Congress. Instead, he is using his campaign funds for the 60-second TV spot and complimentary a radio advertisement urging Pennsylvanians in his district to go out and vote in the primary on Tuesday.

    “On Tuesday, we all have a chance to vote,” Carney says in the ad. “We can vote with our heads. We can vote with our hearts. We can vote for change or we can vote for experience. But whatever your choice, the right choice is to vote. It’s our most precious right as Americans.”

    Carney, an uncommitted superdelegate, takes advantage of the opportunity to introduce himself to voters, prepping them for his re-election bid this fall. Touting his work in uniform and in the Congress, Carney promises to fight for “our middle class families, seniors, veterans, farmers, and small businesses.”

    “I believe in independent honest leadership and putting what’s right for the district first,” Carney says. “And I’ve worked hard to stay in touch with you. That’s why I’ve held dozens of town hall meetings across the district. I want to stay in touch.

    “Your vote is your voice,” Carney concludes. “Make sure your voice is heard on Tuesday. I’m Chris Carney. thanks for listening. Because whatever your choice, the right choice is to vote.”

    Full Script:

    “On Tuesday, we all have a chance to vote. We can vote with our heads. We can vote with our hearts. We can vote for change or we can vote for experience. But whatever your choice, the right choice is to vote. It’s our most precious right as Americans.

    “It’s why I’m proud to serve in uniform and to serve you in Congress, taking Pennsylvania values to our nation’s Capitol, fighting for our middle class families, seniors, veterans, farmers, and small businesses.”

    “I believe in independent honest leadership and putting what’s right for the district first. And I’ve worked hard to stay in touch with you. That’s why I’ve held dozens of town hall meetings across the district. I want to stay in touch.

    “Your vote is your voice. Make sure your voice is heard on Tuesday. I’m Chris Carney. thanks for listening. Because whatever your choice, the right choice is to vote.”

  356. Support us in DC – April 30 – Florida voters will be holding a protest rally at the DNC in the AM of April 30 – we are bussing over 500 people from various cities in FL –

  357. fdrjim, I be with everyone at the DNC rally in spirit. I pray you all can make a difference. Our country hangs in the balance! Best wishes at the rally from Connie in Texas!!

  358. So I posted this afternoon to expect some bullshit story to give the weekend talking heads something to work with.
    Now we have it, and it couldn’t be more lame.

    HuffPost’s “story” that Hill thinks MoveOn is wrong & full of shit.
    No fucking kidding.
    That and the fraudulent Newsweek poll, which uber douchebag and annual Macy’s parade float Tim Russert will breathlessly quote as he throws it to yet another pliable pundit, probably someone on the NBC payroll like Doris Kearns Goodwin, or better still a used-up old neo-con skank like Peggy Noonan, so they can all pile on Hill and make believe there’s something where there’s not.

    The fact that this is all they can come up with shows how desperate THEY [and certainly NOT Hillary] are right now.

    Can someone kick Howard Dean in the scrotum – at least twice? Please.

  359. JOHN B. JUDIS
    GUEST COLUMNIST

    Some liberal commentators have downplayed the effect of Barack Obama’s recent fundraising speech in San Francisco. But that’s wishful thinking. Along with the revelations about Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright, his remarks in San Francisco will haunt him not only in the upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia, but also in the general election against John McCain, assuming he gets the Democratic nomination.

    To win in November, a Democratic presidential candidate has to carry most of the industrial heartland states that stretch from Pennsylvania to Missouri. That becomes even more imperative if a Democrat can’t carry Florida — and because of his relative weakness in South Florida, Obama is unlikely to do so against McCain. Ruy Teixeira and I have calculated that in the heartland states, a Democratic presidential candidate has to win 45 to 48 percent of the white working-class vote. In some states, like West Virginia and Kentucky, the percentage is well over a majority.

    Some Democrats insist Obama need not worry about these states because he will be able to make up for a defeat in Ohio or even Pennsylvania with a victory in Virginia or Colorado. But in Virginia, McCain will be able to draw upon coastal suburbanites closely tied to the military. These voters backed Democrats like Chuck Robb and Jim Webb, who are both veterans, but they may not go for Obama. And in the Southwest, McCain will be able to challenge Obama among Hispanics. So to win in November, Obama will have to win almost all of these heartland states. Which is a problem, because even before he uttered his infamous words about these voters “clinging” to guns, religion, abortion and fears about free trade, Obama looked vulnerable in the region. A look at the white working class’ relationship with earlier Democratic candidates underscores the various reasons why.

    Many white working class voters in these states used to be loyal Democrats. The last two successful Democratic presidential candidates, Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, swept Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Missouri. Many of these voters have always been highly patriotic, church-going hunters who were skeptical about the benefits of trade and immigration and — what Obama did not mention — black political assertiveness. But they still distrust Republicans as the defenders of business and look up to Democrats (or at least some Democrats) as being more in tune with average Americans like themselves.

    Democrats have won over these voters when their advantage on the economy has come to the fore. And they’ve lost these voters when their positions on the economy — or national security — were not sufficiently compelling to overcome the Republican advantage on social issues like abortion, gay marriage or gun control. Why? Because with the exception of a few rabid single-issue voters, the white working class hasn’t simply displaced its economic anxiety, or bitterness, onto God, guns, and gay marriage; they’re actually quite concerned about the economy.

    Historically, there are three circumstances in which Democrats have been able to win over these voters:

    The Unacceptable Republican: Republicans have run candidates with whom white working class voters have not been able to identity — either because of their backgrounds, beliefs or actions. In 2006 that was obviously true of Ohio gubernatorial candidate Ken Blackwell — an African American and a far right zealot — and Montana Sen. Conrad Burns, who was linked to Jack Abramoff.

    The Acceptable Democrat: The Democrats have sometimes run candidates in these states who are sufficiently moderate on guns, abortion and religion to neutralize the Republican appeal on these issues. That was the case with Pennsylvania pro-life Democratic Senate candidate Bob Casey, who defeated incumbent Rick Santorum in 2006.

    The Empathetic Democrat: The Democrats have run a candidate who can connect with these voters in spite of his or her beliefs on abortion and guns. Pollsters try to get at this by asking voters whether a candidate “cares about people like me.” Sometimes, voters will think a candidate cares about them because they think he is “one of them.” Bill Clinton, of course, was a genius at this. He could be the candidate of Hope, Ark., and Yale Law School. Other Democrats have succeeded because they have come off as a father (or mother) figure, who, although from the upper class, still cares about the average American.

    If you look at the upcoming presidential election in this light, the Democratic prospects do not appear to be good. McCain is an acceptable Republican — a war hero and a reputed moderate. (His greatest inherent liability, which could make him unacceptable regardless of his ideas or background, is his age.) Both Democratic candidates, whatever their protestations, are seen as coming out of the party’s liberal wing on guns and abortion.

    That leaves the possibility that these voters will see the Democratic candidate as either “one of them,” or as a father or mother figure who understands their plight. Both candidates clearly have problems on these scores, but Obama’s may be even more severe than Clinton’s. As an African American, he has one strike against him, as has become apparent even in the Democratic primary exit polls. He has tried to appear above race, but he will continually be reminded of his ties to Jeremiah Wright (and his not wearing a flag on his lapel, and his wife’s statements about not being “proud” of America) during a general election.

    Obama comes from a modest background and has tried to appeal as a candidate of both Harvard Law School and Chicago’s Back-of-the-Yards, where he organized laid-off steel workers, but he hasn’t been able to pull it off. His manner, tenor and diction are Harvard Law, and when he starts dropping his ‘g’s,” he sounds strained. And Obama is too young, and lacks the stature, to appear as a Franklin Roosevelt-style father figure.

    Obama does have an astounding eloquence, and an ability to put a position across, but that eloquence has been reserved largely for anti-war and good-government positions. His stance against the war may resonate (though that will depend on whether McCain’s qualification as commander-in-chief trumps his unpopular stance on the war). But where McCain is most vulnerable and where voters are most likely to smile on a Democrat — on everyday economic issues — Obama’s heart doesn’t appear to be in it.

    These difficulties were clear before Obama spoke in San Francisco, but they’re much more glaring now. In the speech, Obama appeared to say Pennsylvania voters’ opposition to gun control or abortion or immigration was pathological — a product of what Marxist philosopher Herbert Marcuse once called “false consciousness.” On the other hand, he implied that when he voiced opposition to an issue like free trade — Obama has consistently hammered Clinton on her support for the North American Free Trade Agreement — he was simply pandering to these voters’ displaced anxieties. He was saying to these upscale San Francisco Democrats, “I am really one of you, and I am not one of them.”

    There is even a slight chance that Obama’s words in San Francisco could cost him the nomination. Obama is almost certain to have more elected delegates in June than Hillary Clinton, but if he loses Pennsylvania by 15 percentage points (which is not out of the question), that could start a media firestorm around his candidacy that could contribute to other primary defeats and to superdelegate support for Clinton. It’s not likely to happen, but after Obama spoke his mind, and, perhaps, lost small-town voters’ hearts, in San Francisco, it has suddenly become conceivable.
    John B. Judis is a senior editor at The New Republic and a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

  360. Hey curosityhasme,
    Thanks for the reply, sorry about being a bit snippy earlier, I was at work, so that automatically puts me in cranky mode. But I appreciate the post and agree, that in general, the 18-25 demographic is so concerned with all this ridiculous stuff, and so caught up in Obamamania, and I can’t understand why. I guess it’s the “cool” factor, or something, god knows what, but I understand where you’re coming from and I don’t understand why the DNC wants to pander to 18-25 year olds since they are the most unreliable voting block in the history of this country, and probably some of the most misinformed people out there. I think it’s sad to see the level of support in that group Obama has,
    since none of them know the “urgency of now”, the very catchphrase that Obama coined himself. While they sit in their dorms in realitive comfort, they can never really know why we need a President like Hillary NOW, because of how important this election is. I think the proof in that is that 18-24 year olds that are not in college is a vote that Hillary wins in most exit polls…I just wish there was a better way to keep them off the kool-aid. But I appreciate the post 🙂 We’re all in this together, and I have faith that Hillary will pull through on this one, it will be a hell of a ride, but it will feel even better on Jan. 20th, 2009.

  361. fdrjim – count me & my partner in. Live in the District and will be waiting for more info. Thanks for all you are doing.

  362. That newsweek poll, is so fucking biased, they telephoned 225 clinton supporters and 297 Obama supporters, i guess we know how he won now, lol. Look in the last bit of the methodology.

  363. Wow, MSNBC still has the WIMP FACTOR headline on the frontpage rigt next to a big picture of Obama hugging Kerry, r they trying to say something?

  364. I’ve just read somewhee excellent news, i can’t find it again but its again clear undecideds breaking for Clinton in PA.

  365. From NBC’s Lauren Appelbaum
    PHILADELPHIA — During an event billed as a discussion on the high costs of higher education yesterday afternoon, Chelsea Clinton faced difficult questions from Drexel University law students and faculty. Clinton called on those in attendance to call ABC with their complaints about last night’s debate, tied her mother’s work with children and women to the current situation with the Texas sect, and poked fun at a conservative first-year law student in the audience.

    THE DEBATE: UNFAIR TO OBAMA?
    One of the questions Clinton fielded came from a university administrator who asked her about her mom’s actions during Tuesday night’s debate. “Frankly, I was disappointed in her that she didn’t have a stronger reaction to some of the inane questions that were asked that last night and that were really insulting to us and the candidates,” Leslie Friedman said to Clinton.

    “I agree,” Clinton said. “My mom’s been talking about the issues … from public school reform to higher education affordability to equal pay to expanding Family Medical Leave. … That’s what she talks about. I wish that was what the media covered. I wish that was what they had asked about from the beginning last night.”

    But Friedman, who supports Obama, was not satisfied with this answer, firing back: “I think it’s important though for a leader also to step up and say, ‘You know, these kinds of questions are inappropriate, and I am insulted when you ask me or my opponent those questions.’ And I wish that your mom would stand up and say that.”

    “And she has so frequently,” Chelsea responded. “I am certainly proud at how she has been standing up and talking about the issues, and I wish that is what was focused on. I wish that was what the two moderators at the debate had started the debate last night. I also, as someone who has been a member of the family that has been on the receiving end quite a bit of Republican fire understand that some of what came up in the debate last night in the first part of the debate is unfortunately what will come up in the general election for whomever is running. … I know that that type of attack will often be more subtle than what was raised in the debate last night and certainly will be pushed forward as trying to carve out what is at stake in this election.”

    “I wish that was what the debate was focused on last night,” Clinton continued, saying her mother would have rather had issue-based questions. “And I hope that you’ll write to ABC and you’ll tell them that. I’m serous though. … I hope that you will try to again reestablish those issues of being the focal point of not only this debate but of our politics. I wish that were true. I’m so proud that that is what my mom is always fighting to do.”

    After Clinton finished her reply, a male student said he wants to “see her mother slap down the moderator.”

    “She has done that in previous debates. That hasn’t always worked out for her,” Clinton said to laughter, “but she has quite a record of standing up and trying to always make this election really more than this election.”

    First Read caught up with Friedman after the event, when the Obama supporter reiterated her dissatisfaction with Senator Clinton last night during the debate. “She could have held the moderators far more accountable. She allowed herself to be co-opted by the questions. It was disappointing for someone like her who is so strong.”

    Friedman said she was satisfied with Chelsea Clinton’s answer, however.

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/18/918482.aspx

  366. Zogby…clinton 47 obama 42 Undecideds are down to 8% and they have slowly begun to break for Clinton. Obama slipped in the one-day sample to only 40%. His lead in the eastern part of the state is still in double-digits but slipping, and his huge advantage among young voters is narrowing a bit. Clinton has a 39-point lead among Catholics and a 19 point lead among whites. She continues to get higher marks on ‘understanding Pennsylvania’ and handling the economy.”

  367. Fascinating, that in this race, SO MANY STATES have had HUGE MAJOR IMPACT on the ENTIRE WORLD. PA – We’re counting on you to now be the voice of conscience for our entire nation and global position in the world. I have faith that the decent and hard-working, no-nonsense residents will serve their country in a patriotic way, honoring long-held traditions and optimism for the future, based on a PROVEN track record – by voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton for the next President of the United States of America.
    Dear God, Let Independence Hall be the location, and the catalyst on April 16, 2008, that got this country back on track – sending a loud message through the towns across America – that OLD GLORY is the coolest thing STILL, and NYC’s Lady Liberty (both of them) will continue to serve as the beacon of promise for the world.

  368. Gallup also reporting swing to clinton…..down from 11 points to only 3, with probably closer over next day or so, judging by tracking data

  369. polls showing her up, 3 super delegates to HRC, our A team in NCarolina (they have never lost!), Ind looking good…..Its all coming together, I can feel it!

  370. The finger is … plausibly deniable. But if there was really a pattern of gestures that links to a song with violent and/or racist lyrics — did Obama really say he got that song from his children?

    Maybe that’s what they sing in Wright’s Sunday School?

    This guy’s damage control seems to be going from bad to worse.

    Wright tapes -> racist grandmother -> typical white person.

    ‘Guns and religion’ -> six-shooter in a duck blind and Annie Oakley.

    Losing a debate -> gangster music -> got it from his children.

  371. The finger is … plausibly deniable. But if there was really a pattern of gestures that links to a song with violent and/or racist lyrics — did Obama really say he got that song from his children?

    Maybe that’s what they sing in Wright’s Sunday School?

    This guy’s damage control seems to be going from bad to worse.

    Wright tapes -> racist grandmother -> typical white person.

    ‘Guns and religion’ -> six-shooter in a duck blind and Annie Oakley.

    Losing a debate -> gangster music -> got it from his children.

  372. Good morning, Hillfans! It’s a beautiful morning here in PA, just arrived last night. Ready to GOTV in a couple of hours. I ask all of you that are unable to travel to PA, please, take an hour and phonebank. Let’s work together to help Hillary win, and win BIG and silence and stun all those that want her out of this race. It’s not over, it’s far from over!!! The nomination is right there, within her grasp. Let’s focus and work to get the best candidate in the oval office.

    GO HILLARY!!!

  373. good moening everyone,

    Did you all check out the Philly Debate pics at Blog on HRC? Now that’s a real shot in the arm!

    Notice you seldom see images of SPONTANEOUS, non-stadium, concert-venued events with his majesty! How many great pics of Ozomba rallies, that didn’t occur indoors, have you seen? His supporters can only be bribed by promises of Dave Mathews tickets. And of course we never see the great HRC pics in the media. But it’s proof, at least to me, of the silent subterranean support she has.

    Good luck everyone working in PA this weekend. If I wasn’t such a coward, i would try calling but at least I’ll participate with newspaper blogs and morale boosting here, maybe even ANOTHER $25.44. :-D.

  374. shenanigans, Thank You for traveling to PA to work for Hillary! Please post when you can and give a feel from the real ground.

  375. But Friedman, who supports Obama, was not satisfied with this answer, firing back: “I think it’s important though for a leader also to step up and say, ‘You know, these kinds of questions are inappropriate, and I am insulted when you ask me or my opponent those questions.’ And I wish that your mom would stand up and say that.”

    Unbelievable. And, when has “leader” Obama done that for Hill? These koolaid drinkers are just unbelievable.

  376. I don’t like the Carney as. It’s possible to vote head and heart , change and experience when you vote for Hill.

  377. Responses to the complaints about the “first 45 minutes” of the debate. They generally say they would have preferred the questions be about the issues.

    1. O’Reilly responded by saying we had heard the responses to the issues in the past 20 debates. It would serve little purpose to hear them again. It was better to get into the character of the candidates.

    2. Someone (several) said when they got into the second half of the debate Obama didn’t do any better than he had done in the first half.

  378. Sherm,

    Is that AA female Ozomba supprter the most ANNOYING person!!!!!!!!

    She’s the female version of Roland Martin. Whenever I see her mug on screen I click to National Geographic.

    And I agree, Bill-O did a good job of defending the debate questions, not that any other candidate would have had the gall to complain, much less swamp ABC with threats, thuggery and tantrums! 👿

  379. Yes, that lady was very annoying. Typical Obama supporter.

    The other one surprised me. I thought his previous opponents had gotten a raw deal when they ran against him in Chicago. That one was defending and praising him.

  380. Carl Rove told Hannity these recent things will help Hillary, but he said it’s too late for them to help her enough. He said they will hurt BHO more in the GE. He also predicted she will win PA by high single digits. I hope he is proven wrong on most of that. I would like 15% or more for her in PA.

  381. Just tuned into the Pope’s St Patrick’s Cathedral mass. Fox does a magnificent job in covering it. No insipid commentary, no self-indulgent smug ambitious anchorettes babbling mindlessly about an indescribable event, just presenting the sights and sou ds of a historic moment. The first time the pope has said mass at St. Paticks. Even the nuns excited, jumping on to the pew benches for a better look.

    I am not Catholic, but hearing that MF Maher absolutely insult and revile the pope. on national television and then have to apologize for it, I’m PRAYING he gets fired, too.
    Ironically, the problem with all the over-sensitivity can of worms opened by the Ozomba race-baiting contingent is that it’s now fair game for EVERYONE to claim discrimination, and there are an awful lot of people from an awful lot of disparate groups with axes to grind on that issue.

    St Patrick’s is magnificent and the ceremony is breathtaking and I’m speaking as a non-christian.

  382. I thought 👿 left PA .. see this am that he drew 35,000 to speech last night. Bussed in most likely. Says he is going to be there all weekend…

  383. I hope those comments our girl made against “activist” democrats and turning on Moveon.org will hurt her standing 🙁

  384. Hillary has been ahead in PA for so long now, I just want her to finally win it.

    I am tired of Obama failing and have the media spin it to be something good.

  385. Well, she’s right. The moveon crowd is out for blood. Don’t know why, but they are, and they have stacked the caucuses. I wouldn’t worry too much.

  386. I don’t think comments she makes will hurt her, so I wouldn’t worry about moveon.org. Like mj says she is correct.

    I am concerned of how Obama is controlling the media, like George Bush has all these years. He will be worse than George Bush and that should be terrifying to everybody.

  387. I think Hillary is doing an exceptional job as shown in the debate the other night. Can you imagine, the media actually had to admit she did well. That should tell us that she must have done extremely well!

    But I am still excited/anxious for her to win PA, just to finally show she is going to win this.

  388. organization MoveOn.org and caucuses in general at a private gathering after the Super Tuesday primaries on Feb. 5. According to the Huffington Post, which posted an audio recording from the event on its Web site, Clinton said that her campaign had been less successful with caucuses because they bring out the “activist base” of the party.

    “MoveOn didn’t even want us to go into Afghanistan,” she was quoted as saying. “That’s what we’re dealing with. You know they turn out in great numbers. They are very driven by their view of our positions. It’s primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don’t agree with them. They know I don’t agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.”

    Eli Pariser, the executive director of MoveOn, disputed Clinton’s comments.
    http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/19/clintonobama_0419.html
    *****************************************************
    I’m glad she distancing herself from Move-ON.com because they will be a focus in the G.E. with that dumb ad they did on Gen Petraeus and they haven’t been a friend to Sen. Clinton and us…so I’m glad she did it.

  389. If tweetie really wants to feel a ‘thrill run up his leg’ he should tune into the ceremony at St. Patrick’s.

    Hearing the sound of authenticity and devotion echoing in that magnificent cathedral, with organ, hundreds of singers and musicians, is a REAL thrill.

    He’d probably have a heart attack.

  390. Hi everyone – I am in NC heading down to FL – while norma desmond has been driving I’ve been investigating the finer aspects of the delegate selection process. So, here’s what I need – volunteers to do some research specifically focused on caucus states and the locations at which the caucuses were held – I can explain more via phone – if you are interested in helping out email me at fdrjim at gmail dot com – secret handshake required

  391. Obama’s quacking like the elitist he most assuredly is

    By KATHLEEN PARKER
    Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

    Barack Obama seemed to have survived the blasphemous rants of his preacher and remained relatively untarnished by the perceived dissatisfactions of his privileged wife.

    But he may be less lucky with remarks he made recently about embittered, small-town Americans, who “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Those words now cling to Obama like Styrofoam packing peanuts. The more he tries to brush them away, the more they seem to burrow into the American psyche.

    Being effete comes naturally to Democrats these days, though compared to Obama, Hillary Clinton looks like a mud-bogger from East Texas. Especially when she’s slamming down a shot of Crown Royal, as she did recently at Bronko’s Restaurant in Crown Point, Ind.

    Nary a flinch did Clinton betray as the elixir trickled down her throat. If only Obama’s words had been so smooth. Not only did he manage to un-charm many who were willing to give him a closer look, but his comments — made at a private San Francisco fundraiser — were before a crowd widely viewed as equally remote from the lives of regular folk.

    That Obama would articulate disdain for what was once generally recognized as “American” culture feels like betrayal to former fans, including one Vietnam vet in Ohio, who interpreted Obama’s comments in an e-mail to me:

    “Those poor rubes and yokels out there in ‘flyover country’ … Since they can’t sort through the ambiguities of world economics and the complexities of the 21st century, they are clinging to their First and Second Amendment rights … too simple-minded to think through the issues of culpability, so they resort to racism, xenophobia, isolationism and protectionism,” and “a simplistic Sunday school religion as a security blanket.”

    As Clinton herself noted following Obama’s remarks, the Democratic Party has had trouble convincing working Americans that party leaders are not out of touch with so-called “Ordinary Americans.” A few recent examples: John Kerry and his expensive toys; John Edwards’ $400 haircuts; Howard Dean’s stereotyping of Southerners as caring only about race, guns, God and gays.

    Most candidates eventually expose themselves as “faux bubbas,” the term the late political cartoonist Doug Marlette coined to describe yuppies trying to be good ol’ boys. There’s little less authentic than a New England-bred politician displaying his redneck bona fides. Even Edwards, whose family résumé carries the imprimatur of true lint, couldn’t pull off his populist act while appointing a new 25,000-square-foot home.

    Now comes Obama, whose recent bowling expedition earned him membership in the faux bubba club and put the italics in cringe. To be fair, he gave it the ol’ college try and was a good sport when his aim hugged the gutter.

    The truth is, Americans don’t really insist that their presidents be as “ordinary” as they are. Only pollsters think they do. But voters do like to feel respected, and Obama’s San Francisco remarks sounded like contempt.

    Too many generations of Americans have enriched the sod of flyover country and elsewhere with their blood, sweat and toil — precisely so that a Barack Obama might someday aim for the White House — to dismiss them so glibly.

    These 21st century folks don’t cling to guns out of bitterness, but often to hunt for game that ends up on their dinner table. In some families, that tradition is only a generation or two away from necessity. Their faith isn’t an antidote to frustration but is a centuries-old framework for spiritual transcendence.

    As for their not liking people who are not like them, what could Obama have meant? That people who are barely clinging to jobs are xenophobic rather than justifiably concerned that our immigration laws are a joke?

    Obama has expressed regret that his words might have been offensive and artfully shifted focus to Clinton’s own pandering about learning to shoot a gun as a child. “She’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley. Hillary Clinton’s out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday, (like) she’s packin’ a six-shooter.”

    Fair enough. Annie got her gun, Obama got his boot stuck in his mouth. But God-fearing defenders of the Second Amendment — who are in their duck blinds packing shotguns, not six-shooters — know a decoy from the real thing. If someone quacks like an elitist, he just might be one.
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5713332.html

  392. Why Not Blame Obama?
    The media favorite has a very poor grasp of basic economic principles.
    By Larry Kudlow

    It’s rather amusing watching the liberal media launch a full-scale attack on George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson, with General Tom Shales of the Washington Post leading the charge. ABC’s Stephanopoulos and Gibson had the audacity to ask Obama some tough questions during the Democratic debate Tuesday night. Challenge Obama with well-informed questions on tax policy and politics? Wound the media favorite? How dare they?

    The fallout is fascinating. With members of the mainstream liberal media lunging at each others throats, it’s kind of like watching Hillary and Obama go at it.

    But here’s the deal: During the debate, Obama bungled his answers on tax policy, big time. Period. End of sentence. End of story. To my liberal friends in the media, all I can say is: Get over it. Your guy has a very poor grasp of basic economic principles.

    First off, you don’t raise taxes during a recession. That’s a no-brainer. Second, doubling the capital-gains tax rate will affect Americans up and down the income ladder, not just rich hedge-fund managers. In addition, capital-gains tax cuts are self-financing, and they stimulate jobs and the economy. You want to raise budget revenues and spark economic growth? Cut the cap-gains tax rate. That’s what history shows.

    The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore points out that in 2005, almost half of all tax returns reporting capital gains came from households with incomes under $50,000, while more than three-quarters came from households earning less than $100,000.

    Obama also proposed uncapping the payroll tax, another blunder that will hit people up and down the income ladder. While Obama pledges tax hikes only for folks earning more that $200,000 a year, his tax hike on payrolls would actually slam middle-income earners. The cap on wages subject to the payroll tax is presently $102,000. By eliminating that cap Obama will be soaking veteran firemen, cops, teachers, and health-service workers, along with a variety of other occupations.

    In fact, in America’s largest cities, a firefighter married to a school teacher can earn close to $200,000 filing jointly. So not only will each spouse separately pay more for Social Security and health care under Obama’s plan, together they’ll also be slammed by Obama’s cap-gains tax increase.

    This is more than just a failure to understand the Laffer curve. It’s another cultural misstep by Obama. I can’t help but wonder if the senator knows any cops or firemen. His appeal is to well-educated latte liberals. That remark about middle-income folks having turned to God, faith, and guns because of economic setbacks? Not only was it ill-advised, it illustrates the wide cultural chasm that exists between the candidate and the rest of America.

    In effect, Obama’s economics are bad and his social circle is very limited. This is one of the many reasons why a quarter of the Hillary Democrats are telling pollsters they’ll likely move to John McCain in the general election.

    Obama’s real agenda is far-liberal left. It’s an ideology that places income redistribution above economic growth. That’s his real message. And it’s the same one that sunk Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry. Bill Clinton? He was a growth Democrat. So he won twice. But Obama is aligning himself with the Democratic losers. And that will make him a loser as well.

    The Gallup poll taken after the Democratic debate reveals that Hillary’s pit-bull routine may have worked. We’ll learn more on that front come Tuesday when Pennsylvanians head to the voting booths. But that’s a different issue. What I’m saying is that liberals need to quit blaming Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos for Obama’s shortcomings. Instead, they need to blame Obama for failing to grasp how tax penalties on upward mobility will hurt the very people he thinks he’s going to help.

    Jack Kemp has effectively made the point that African American communities desperately need capital in order to create new businesses and jobs. Yet as Obama takes the capital out of capitalism, all those who are not rich will be hurt when the rich folks with capital have less of it — after tax — to invest in those new businesses and new jobs.

    That’s exactly why wealth-redistribution plans always backfire. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a surefire economic loser. So is putting government in charge of the economy, which is what Mr. Obama is proselytizing.

    This marks the third mistake for the Illinois senator. Not only does he not understand economics; not only is he set apart from middle-class values and beliefs; he apparently hasn’t read much history either.

    Did someone say inexperience?

  393. “Obama’s real agenda is far-liberal left. It’s an ideology that places income redistribution above economic growth. That’s his real message. And “it’s the same one that sunk Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry. Bill Clinton? He was a growth Democrat. So he won twice. But Obama is aligning himself with the Democratic losers. And that will make him a loser as well.”

  394. Hillary To Obama: ‘When the going gets tough, you can’t run away.’

    Your Friendly Neighborhood Campaign Correspondent to Hillary, Wednesday Night: “I don’t like Hillary Clinton. But I respect her as an adversary. And every once in a while, when she demonstrates she has the guts to ‘go there’ in front of a Democratic audience that want their debates to be criticism-free lovefests, I’m tempted to say, ‘I like the cut of your jib, Senator.'”

    Your Friendly Neighborhood Campaign Correspondent, yesterday: “Hey, welcome to the big leagues, rookie. You’re gonna get some questions you’re not going to like. Not everybody gets to have their main opponent’s bid implode when their divorce records are unsealed and compete against Alan Keyes in a general election… Seriously, if Barack Obama can’t handle questions like this from Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopolous, maybe the portrait of the cracking-under-pressure whiner depicted in the Saturday Night Live sketch isn’t as wild an exaggeration as we thought.”

    Hillary, this morning, on Pennsylvania local news:

    Hillary: Well, we were both asked some pretty tough questions, and you know, that’s part of what happens in a debate and in a campaign. And I know he spent all of yesterday complaining about the hard questions he was asked. But you know, being asked tough questions in a debate is nothing like the pressure you face inside the White House. And in fact, you know, when the going gets tough, you just can’t walk away. Because we’re going to have some very tough decisions that we have to make. And I think that we need a president who can take whatever comes your way. You have to stand strong. You have to fight for the American people. Because it will not be easy to stand up against the special interests.

    Anchor: So you were fine with the debate? You didn’t see any problem with them?

    Hillary: Well, can I say I’ve been through, what, 23 of these debates? And if you’ll recall, I was asked some pretty tough questions in nearly every one of them. That goes with the territory. Having been inside the White House, I know the pressures inside the White House, I know how hard it is every single day. When the going gets tough, you can’t run away. It’s going to be tough going dealing with these hard problems… The special interests are going to be a lot tougher than 90 minutes of questions from two journalists.

    Hey, is anybody else getting this weird tingle up the leg when Hillary speaks lately?
    campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGNjZDMyNTU5OTZiY2EyODUxYWIxNDNhNzUzMGEwMjg=

  395. This may have been lost in the post-shuffle –
    Hi everyone – I am in NC heading down to FL – while norma desmond has been driving I’ve been investigating the finer aspects of the delegate selection process. So, here’s what I need – volunteers to do some research specifically focused on caucus states and the locations at which the caucuses were held – I can explain more via phone – if you are interested in helping out email me at fdrjim at gmail dot com – secret handshake required

  396. What really bothers me is the baggage that Obama has that has not been released to the people of this country. Someone has funded Obama and bought the main stream media in order for him to get this far. The DNC knows it and apparently doesn’t care. I don’t know if Hillary can do anything about that. This election has been bought by someone and I think we are going to lose the best candidate we have had since Bill. With the Pope here I have been praying for a miracle. We need Hillary, this country needs Hillary so badly.
    Good luck everyone.

  397. I know she is going to win….. I’m not to worried about that. It’s more that I am looking forward to her winning by double digits on Tuesday just to stop the bias media.

  398. …and as supporters we can make a difference by continuing to make alot of noise about the media bias, dean and the DNC. That is the only way things will change.

    When you think about it, if the media feels they will lose viewers, they will make changes.

  399. …when you think about it, the public who support Hillary has much more power than we realize, we just have to all speak up at once and not stop.

  400. dedfg .. we have bombarded msnbc and cnn, quit watching and have seen their ratings tumble — this is rigged I tell you. They down’t care right now as long as they get the newworld order message out.

  401. I have stopped watching cnn. That was the only news I did watch in the first place and they have lost me as a viewer….except maybe Lou Dobbs. Notice they no longer have the ‘more trusted name in news’ ..lol… so many people complained that it was not true they had to change it to something else.

  402. They don’t care right now as long as they get the newworld order message out.

    You know 6 months ago if someone had said this, I would have been shocked someone even thought that. Now, I can’t believe that it is true…and I find it quite disturbing. But one think now is that I understand better how historical atrocities and even modern day atrocities are occuring.

  403. I hate Obama tax plan…increasing the payroll tax to 25% and the capital gains tax….puhlease these are middle class killers.

  404. Ayers’ brother charges Clinton camp with ‘McCarthyism’
    DEBATE | Slams focus on ‘Obama’s alleged ties to so-called terrorist’

    April 19, 2008Recommend (5)

    BY CHRIS FUSCO Staff Reporter/cfusco@suntimes.com
    Bill Ayers’ brother, Rick Ayers, is lashing out at Hillary Clinton, accusing her of “McCarthyism” for making an issue of rival Barack Obama’s links to Chicago professor Bill Ayers during this week’s Democratic presidential debate.

    “The fact that she would drag up this pathetic red herring about Obama’s alleged ties to so-called terrorist Bill Ayers (my brother!) brings her right down to the level of Fox News and the National Enquirer,” blogged Rick Ayers, a California high school teacher and author.

    » Click to enlarge image Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, was asked about Bill Ayers, now a University of Illinois professor who was once part of the radical Weather Underground, as part of a discussion of his patriotism during the debate Wednesday.
    (AP/Sun-Times files)

    “This is the most base version of McCarthyism,” he wrote. “Obama should have taken a page from Joseph Welch when he confronted the red-baiting senator during the Army-McCarthy hearings. He should have said, ‘Senator Clinton, are you really going to go there? Do you have no shame?'”
    Clinton raised the relationship as a potential general election sore spot for Obama should he defeat her.

    Obama then downplayed his ties to Bill Ayers, who spent 10 years as a fugitive in the 1970s as a member of the Weather Underground, which protested the Vietnam War by bombing government buildings.

    Obama — who lives near Bill Ayers, received a $200 campaign donation from him in 2001 and served with him for three years on a not-for-profit’s board — also said he “detested” the Weather Underground’s acts. Still, Clinton slammed Obama for not severing all ties with Bill Ayers.

    The Clinton-Obama exchange has since lit up the Internet, with some, like Rick Ayers, excoriating Clinton for her remarks and others praising her for noting Obama’s ties to Ayers, who is an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

    The only casualties in the Weather Underground’s bombing activities were three members of the group who died making bombs in a Manhattan town house in 1970. The group was known then as the Weathermen.

    Jim Wagner, a retired FBI agent who was working in New York when the town house explosion happened, said he thinks Obama owes voters a better explanation about Ayers.

    “The general public does want to know what the relationship is,’ said Wagner, who did not work on the Weather Underground case and went on to become an FBI official in Chicago. Ayers “committed crimes, didn’t suffer any consequences and didn’t admit he really did anything wrong. I’m kind of shocked at that.”

    Ben LaBolt, an Obama spokesman, on Friday defended Obama’s handling of the Ayers matter and noted Clinton has ties to the Weather Underground through her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

    “In the debate, Obama called the acts Ayers committed 40 years ago ‘detestable,’ . . . and any attempt to connect him with those events is outrageous,” LaBolt said. “While Obama, Mayor Daley, and others in Chicago’s academic and civic communities have known Bill Ayers in recent years . . . President Clinton pardoned a member of the Weathermen who participated in a heist that left two police officers and a security guard dead, and commuted the sentence of another, and we have yet to hear where Senator Clinton stands on President Clinton’s actions.”

    A Clinton spokesman did not return messages.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/904015,CST-NWS-ayers19.article#

  405. The Obama campaign sickens me. Chicago politics, always turn it on your opponent. At least the weathermen, Clinton pardoned, served their time. Can’t say the same thing about Ayers. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…

  406. Williams Aryers=Domestic terrorist.

    The Clinton Machine needs to capitalize on this relationship Obama has with Aryers. Anything with the word terrorist in it is so negative, it should bring the national poll numbers closer.

  407. what a fucking cheek, if my brother were a terrorist the last thing i would do is call a patriot like Sen Clinton anything, what gall.

    Clinton needs to come out and say yes I pardoned 2 WU members after they served their sentences but at least i didnt sat in a terrorists house, take money from them, ask them to indoctrinate children with speeches at universities and serve on a board of directors which was throwing funds at a suspicious palestinian group.

    Sorry but i would just come out and say it. Some one needs to.

  408. Actually do you know something, after PA, i think Hillary has to go complete pitbull because I think to be honest the American public like her when she’s tough, she comes across as a no nonsense leader.

    I honestly think America likes her as a pitbull and if it makes Obama look like a wimp, it will come across very well.

  409. Hillary needs to keep linking Obama and Hamas. Hamas leadership praises Obama and his kool-aid drinking toilet installer (Jimmy Carter) is over there hugging Hamas leaders.

  410. Meiyingsu

    are you lurking?

    please come on…I need to ask you a researching favor, or two. or three…

    Xie xie.

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