Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton Debate: The Bitter And The Sweet

What happened last night is no mystery. Why Hillary Clinton reduced Barack Obama to a puddle behind a podium is easy to explain:

Our Annie Hillary did it again.

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What happened last night is easy to describe. What will happen next is even easier to describe. Here, this is what will happen (and what has already happened over and over again):

Act one: Hillary is way ahead. She’s supposed to win. Big. Then comes the Obama surge. That’s the beginning of Act Two.

Instead of writing off the state, he plunges in headlong, spending time and money, collecting a few key endorsements, and great press. The polls start closing up, or at least that’s the way it gets played.

Obama people start talking about not only finishing close, but actually winning, knocking Hillary out, how the whole thing could end, right here. In New Hampshire. In California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Ohio or Texas. That’s the end of Act Two.

Obama people trying to control their anticipatory glee. Clinton people backstabbing, staff changes, pointing fingers of blame. Campaign in disarray. Impending doom.

But Hillary holding up. Bill is under attack, and mad as hell. It isn’t fair.

He’s right, but such is life. And then Act Three.

That describes the past 6 weeks. This takes us to today forward. Act Three:

Early returns, exit polls, suggest Obama could pull it off. The message is change. Drudge has the first exits.

Could this be it for Hillary? No, it couldn’t.

She wins. She is exuberant. The pundits shake their heads.

How could it be? Look at yesterday’s polls. He was closing. But he didn’t.

Will Hillary win Pennsylvania?

Ask the people who told you she wouldn’t win New Hampshire and California and New Jersey and Ohio and Texas, and a few other places I’ve neglected to mention.

They’ll tell you she could lose, that Obama is gaining steam, that she’s run a horrible campaign, that her husband has hurt her, that it has to be over. They’ll talk about how Mark Penn has to go or will go or did go (I think he did, finally, sort of). There will be a million stories about Bill Clinton.

And then?

Then, my guess is, it won’t be over, or even close. They’ll turn a sure thing into a long shot into a comeback.

Then the same people will say, well, she should drop out anyway. Since when do people respond to winning by dropping out? Since when is quitting the response to a comeback? Since never.

And so we go.

Last night might have been a wake up call for the bitter Obama incense burners. They realized how badly Obama was vetted and bloodied. It was a night of vandals pillaging the internets. We urgently implore all mental health professionals to assist these wandering hordes.

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773 thoughts on “Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton Debate: The Bitter And The Sweet

  1. This loving article is dedicated to Universal and all those who have been banned from sulphur websites.

    To the incense burners we dedicate this song which gave a name to the Weathermen (collectively, the Weather Underground, as there was no name for Weather “women”). “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.” It’s blowing against Obama.

  2. Whoops, insomniac night…and I’m first!

    This is what I sent to ABC, with their limit of 500 characters:

    A friend just informed me bloggers on certain sites- DailyKos and even MSNBC, are being urged to overwhelm ABC/Disney telephone/computer systems with complaints about Senator Obama’s “mistreatment” by Mr. Gibson and Mr. Stephanapolus.

    Let me just tell you I do not feel that way at all; the debate was the best so far.

    Many adults out here helplessly watching as polls, comment sites, even letters to editor pages are being twisted out of shape by young computer gangs.

    That a story idea?

  3. BTW, read somewhere, here or TM maybe, that the ABC comment pages have been shut down…whether by their IT staff or by being overwhelmed, I don’t know.

    Remember, Axlegrease gave orders he wanted to “own the internet” by
    the New Year.

  4. EMJAY


    in my letter to abc i told them not to worry about losing a few obama junkies, cause for 6 months, hillarys supporters have banned nbc.
    I told them we now had a new home at abc…

    and they would WIN new viewers by a wide margin…

  5. hey there united!

    well now that i owned up to being hopelessly sleepless, I am suddenly VERY sleepy…a fried egg sandwich and a shot of irish whiskey probably helped.


  6. Admin, you are the best. Great post and love the pics and videos. 🙂

    This site and many other great ones like it are our own Underground Railroad by which we are able to seek and embrace our freedom of speech and the freedom not to be Kool-Aid drinkers.

    Thank goodness for ‘abolitionists’ such as yourself, Taylor, Jeralyn and Susan. There are many other names and sites to add to that list, but that is a good beginning. I also should mention, where I have garnered some very excellent information and seen well thought out writing and arguments.

    We are in a very desperate moment in our party. Axelrod (the puppet master), “Deval Patrick II” and Deval, Jr’s supporters and astroturfers are bullying, thuggish people. The last time I remember feeling this way was shortly after 9/11 when Dubya and his flunkies had people so scared to say anything in ‘dissent’ for fear of the reprisals.

    That is where we are today, and everyone on this board (and the honest among you who are mere lurkers) knows this. We all know people who have been threatened, had signs vandalized, been called ‘racists’ unjustly, etc.

    What has become of many of the larger progressive blogs during this our Dark Ages is beyond contempt. Truly it is Orwellian. It is wrong, false and is as destructive as anything any conservative I can recall has done and that includes what Bush’s crew did to McCain in 2000.

    But because of sites like this one, the majority of Dems (and let’s recall MORE DEMS HAVE VOTED FOR HRC than Obama) have a place to come to, to see their own viewpoints reflected and given voice if they are not one of the Johnstown cult. This site is incredibly important as we of the resistance fight against the Dean-Kerry-Kennedy-Pelosi-Brazile empire.

    Unlike Obama and his supporters, we are strong and not looking for easy ways out. We are prepared to stand up for our candidate the old fashioned way: By debating. No by gaming recommended lists or troll rating those we disagree with, but by presentation of the facts.

    If and when Hillary wins the nomination, tonight will be looked back on as our party’s Independence Day. Tonight Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolus, together with the courageous people of ABC, said ‘enough.’ Enough Tim Russerts, enough Campbell Browns. It is time we in the media live up to our responsibilities as honest, tough questioners. For the good of our nation.

    Obama was exposed tonight, laid bare as the would-be emperor sans clothes, an even temper, or anything else. Quite simply, he was eviscerated. And had he different associations and better judgment, he would not have been.

    This evening’s events were a victory for the “bitter” Joe and Jane Americas everywhere. The ones who don’t realize being religious is supposedly stupid, that having optimism is frowned upon in their circumstances. The people who make this country run day after day so the Obamas can make $4 million in 2007.

    Those people won because ABC did them justice in their debate. Unlike CNN and MSNBC, — which had humiliated themselves long before Saturday Night Live made fun of them — ABC executed with fairness and balance in its telecast.

    Hooray! for ABC, hooray! for Hillary Clinton, and hoorary! for sites like this magnificent one.

    You go, Admin!


    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” AKA “RokSki”

  7. All i remember seeing last night was Obama getting tossed to the wolves, that was a lot of shit flung at him last night. I can see people watching that last night going, oh i didnt know that and i didnt know that or that and why are we just hearing about it now.

    Make no mistake that was a major league embarrassment last night, all i heard was rhetoric he did not even substantitively cover much of anything, he stuttered spluttered and fumbled and dodge, ignored, circumvented, lied and then looked totally flat doing it.

  8. oh what a beautiful morning. i am so proud of our girl. off to work with a smile on my face. btw, did anyone notice that for the first time in 15 mos of campaigning, BO was not able to utter his all-to favorite “i gave a speech in 2002” line? hysterical!

  9. Well i believe the general concensus is “someone finally asked Obama Serious questions and he crumbled”

    Says it all really, the obamabots are beside themselves that they even admit he was dreadful, they say he was tired, ABC was unfair, the media is biased, i could laugh and laugh, they say this will backfire on Clinton.

    Nope, your guy Obama just cant cut it when the heat is turned up, deprived of his teleprompter and speechwriter it was a mess, he couldnt think on his feet. Seriously that guy has no business being near the Dem nomination.

    Last night made that oh so clear.

  10. Universal–I don’t think it’s fair to compare Patrick and Obama. Patrick isn’t the most effective governor, but he’s not an embarassing phony like Obama, and his supporters didn’t use thuggish tactics, either. He ran a positive campaign and he seems like a genuine person who wants to do some good but is just way over his head. I’d compare Obama to Bush, not Patrick.

  11. The upshot here tonight guys is this with all the obamabots screaming and going nuts can only mean one thing, Obama had his cover blown fully tonight in the most unattractive fashion.

    Its not hard to see in the cold light of day, how bad this actually is. Last night might just have been the green signal, an open door for media to finally start vetting him and holding his feet to the fire. They may have no choice now.

  12. If Bambi refuses to debate in NC, does that mean that as far as debates go, Hillary delivered a TKO?

  13. I love this quote from ABC blogs

    “Obama looked like the unnamed guy in Captain Kirk’s landing party when they land on a strange planet- you know, the one whose demise is pre-ordained.

  14. Great posts Admin! And just made donation to HRC camaign, and will do so DAILY until Tues. Hope she can laundh a media blitz in PA last few days with some new ads. She was so Presidential last night, immaculately groomed – beautiful and poised. Stayed firm and positive throughout debate. BHO showed what a loser he really is. Does anyone have the name of the “disabled solder” that gave him a pin. Yeah. Alexrod must have realized how lame the story was and how further fake he would look to slap that on his lapel at this midnight hour. Now, we just need to show B Meryfield’s third degree of separation (if that many degrees) between BHO, Rezko, Auchi, Sadaam Hussein. Sick ’em Rush, Sean, Pat, Glenn, Joe, Greta, and any other sane reporter. DONATE LIKE YOU’VE NEVER DONE BEFORE!

    That was the headline in my paper this morning. Why did Hillary say that when they asked her if Obama was electable. She could have said, “I don’t know. He hasn’t been fully vetted yet. He needs to answer questions about Rezko and Auchi.”

    The headlines on AOL this morning were “Hillary says Obama can beat McCain.” Ugh! That is not what I want to read.

    I really respect ABC for finally asking Obama some tough questions. However, he got slippery and turned the Weatherman question to “Why should I answer questions about someone who did something when I was 8 years old.” He really tried to get away with not answering why he hangs around people like the Weatherman when he is now 46 years old and not 8. He tried to make it sound like a silly question. It had nothing to do with him being 8 years old. He always turns questions around so that they seem like stupid questions.

    I still want to know why he has such poor judgment in picking his close friends and mentors. They are all off the wall and out of the mainstream of America. What’s wrong with your normal, everyday middle American people. I am sure he could find some wealthy, middle of the road, normal millionaires to hang with. No, he has to choose anti-semite preachers, marxist professors, members of the Weathermen terrorists, Syrian thieves, or Iraqi terrorists. I want someone to ask him why. What is in it for Obama?

    Then when they ask him the Weatherman question he turns to Hillary and says your husband communted the sentences of two Weathermen. I think he wanted to say “Hillary did it. Hillary did it.”

    God, he is such a pansy. I cannot stand the thought of him as our president. I don’t understand what the American people see that I don’t see. I find him absolutely inferior for the presidency. There is nothing about him that stands out. He is like a little frat boy. He bounces around, smiles, flirts, grins, and slips and slides through life. Lots of mouth. That is all. He talks a good game but does not walk the walk.

    Hillary walks the walk. She is the real thing. I can’t believe the American people are not on their knees begging her to be the President. Amazes me, simply amazes me.

    I still feel like I am living in a parallel universe or
    the twilight zone.

  16. Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Picking Sides

    Who has your support in the Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton?

    Tell us in 100 words or less and we’ll publish your comments online.

    Please keep it civil and include your name, address and telephone number when sending your items to

  17. gerond, there are a lot of similarities. Patrick had the problem with wanting the Caddy over the Ford for his official car, and the problem with the drapes. Kind of an entitlement thing. I see that with Obama and Michelle only on a much larger scale.

    Patrick ran and won on hope and is “governing” on air. Fortunately the Legislature is around to actually keep the state running. What has Obama accomplished in either Legislature?

    I think that there is some measure of elitism in both of them. Patrick seems to genuinely want to help people but at arms length. I don’t see either Patrick or Obama mingling with those that are struggling. There was a lot of news coverage of Hillary visiting real people before Nevada. Obama clearly prefers the latte crowd to real people.

  18. Off topic but if you go to Drudge there is a link where you can buy a T-Shirt with the “Snobama” picture that has been going around the web. Warning: it’s a Republican website with Republican products but I was amused this morning to see the ad on Drudge when they’ve had anti-Hillary ads for so long..perhaps the tide is finally turning?

  19. That AP story about Hillary “changing course on Obama’s Electibilty” is in our local newspaper. We should bombard the AP so they will correct that story. It obviously was written by an Obama supporter and is not factually correct. Both Obama and Clinton said each other could win. What else could they say?

    The Clinton camp needs to fight back on this as well. I guess the AP writer couldn’t stand the fact Obama was getting vetted…

  20. I am bummed out by the reports. Either they are siting the “news” out of the debate as Hill says BO electable. When has she publically said otherwise? Or, they are making it out that she attacked him. Marc Ambinder says BO did terrible but adds “But Hillary Clinton has a Reverse-Teflon problem: her negatives are up, and when she’s perceived as the attacker, the attacks never seem to settle on Obama and always seem to boomerang back on her. So it would be unwise to declare that Hillary ‘won’ the debate in the dynamic sense just yet. (How much money will Obama raise off this debate? $3m million? $4 million?)” Unbelievable.

  21. They don’t boomerang off him. The media throws any attack on BO onto Hill. It’s not some great mystery.

  22. Thanks for all the online commentary last night! I fell asleep right after the debate was over and woke up to great news.

    Who cares how BM tries to spin it. HRC WON!


    This had me ROTFLMAO! 😀
    ‘beware of where you wander in the internets tonight. There are raving gangs of incense burners at certain sites furious at what happened to Obama. They are hopeless and bitter.’ HAHAHAHAHA!

  23. The MSM is not going to criticize Obama, even if he openly sobs on stage. It’s not going to happen, and you should stop expecting it.

    The Washington Post headline this morning is “Clinton Pressed in PA Debate.” I guess they slept through the Obama parts?

    Great post, admin 🙂

  24. The AP headline is Yahoo polls say McCain winning back unhappy Republicans. This is another reason BO would suck in a GE. Those Obamacans would just go vote for McCain. They are not going to vote for someone they are probably coming to believe is a creature of the far left.

  25. I am pissing myself, have you seen the new repug name for bittergate, its brilliant, this is what they are putting out at it

    Get this

    CRACKERQUIDDICK – Kennedy was drunk when he committed electoral suicide WHATS OBAMA’S EXCUSE

  26. You can tell how big Hillary won last night but the complete terror on the MSM and obamatrons faces.

    Lets face it, she wiped the floor with him, how many times did she push that dial testing through the roof and his barely reached tepid.

    I have heard people saying that debate just destroyed his entire cover, it made him look dumb as a fencepost.

    He’s in huge trouble.

  27. These Obamatrons are even crazier this morning than they were last night. Time to get back to work and forget last night and let the Kool-aid drinkers wallow in self pity. We a have a battle to win Tuesday that will make last night seem like no big deal.

  28. “Hillary shined last night.” yes, she certainly did. You could just imagine her in charge of the country. She is high class. I don’t care how the Obama propaganda machine (the media) frames it. You can’t take from me the wonderful impression Hillary made. She made me proud to be her supporter, proud to be a woman. I really don’t think I am the only one who came away from the debate feeling this way. There must be millions of others. The taste of the pudding is in the eating, as they say. I will ignore the media. Tuesday will tell the real story.

  29. So I bet we can expect numerous death threats from obamatrons to Gibson and Stephanopolous today just like anyone who dares to make bambi look bad.

  30. Do they not teach debating in American High schools and colleges anymore? All these cry babies out there seem to think a debate is sitting down and having a little chat over a pot of coffee like CNN and MSNBC do in their debates.

  31. UPenn paper (not sure if this is the big UPenn or not) endorses Hill:

  32. There is only 1 campus that I know of and it’s huge campus is located in Philadelphia. It is not a state run school, it is an Ivy league private school.

  33. I see zogby is at it again. Can not keep his nose out of Obama’a ass. Just add 10 to 15 points to Hillary’s numbers to get a better idea of the PA lead.


    Don’t tell me, BO leading?

  35. Oh well, at least she’s leading. With him, that’s huge.

    Hill is doing a conversation with Maya Angelou on Friday at Wake Forrest, in NC.


    Since I work in Philly, I was able to walk over to Const. Convention Ctr. At first, I saw the Hillary side, thinking the “other half” would be the Obama people. After wading through more groups of Hillary supporters, I finally came across a small pocket of Obama people. Turns out they had to ask the police to have their own “spot”, seeing as the well organized Clinton folks, some of whom had been there since 10am, had the area blanketed, with more and more Hillarites pouring in. After passing the Obama crowd, more and more Clinton people. We had all four street corners completely swamped, and the main area directly across the street was mainly Hill’s folks.

    My estimate that there was about 50 (75 tops) people in the Obama zone, and various Obama people wandering around. The Clinton number harder to gauge, but an estimate of 300 – 600 would seem reasonable. To say that we outnumbered them 3-1 would be conservative, it could have been 5+ to 1.

    And Philly was supposed to be Obama’s home turf?

    After the debate started, we headed over to the viewing party at the Holiday Inn, where idunno, 300 people crammed themselves into the large room, cleaning out all the freebie snacks.

    I don’t think the Obama people had such a debate viewing party. They were barely organized. Hill’s people were working out of the Holiday Inn, and had a rental van where people could get signs, and water.

    The organizational difference was like night and day.

    btw, I mentioned Big Pink to the various organizers (many from out of state). Quite a few of them heard of this site, and I told them what a great resource this site is, as well as being an oasis in a sea of MSM nothingness.

  37. I know there is going to be significant talk over this debate for days, but boy was it a killer for bambi.

    Crackerquiddick was a big no no for him and Wright, well the dial tanked on that one and Ayers, well that was the big jolt, Obama nearly fell off the podium.

  38. In any case, media is all about trying to mold public opinion. There is only one public that matters now: PA. I am sure that most folks in PA have made up their minds by already. Especially after watching the debate, those for Hillary are more solid in their support, some undecided voters and even a few of his folks moved in her direction.

    But behind the public curtain, and just as important (if not more so), is what impression it had on the SDs. Watching the debate last night was a must do. They are not going to be moved by any media perception of events. They will be making their own decisions. They already know the media is biased. I am confident the debate went well in their eyes for Hillary. These folks are not dummies. They are in the politics business and are looking after their own skins first, the nation a close second, and the Party last.

    As I said a long time ago in an earlier post, come November if Obama is the nominee, the Democrats up for election will find themselves running away from the top of the ticket. Last night’s debate only solidified my assertion. This guy is a rookie and doesn’t make the grade. The SDs may be now realizing the same thing. It’s now check. After the next wins in the upcoming states, it will be checkmate.

  39. Obama’s honeymoon over, and it shows
    by Micheal Goodwin
    Thursday, April 17th 2008, 4:00 AM

    It seems like ancient history now, but not long ago Hillary Clinton argued that Barack Obama was getting a free pass from the media.

    Those days are over, with moderators, a private citizen and Clinton herself peppering Obama on Wednesday night with a barrage of the kind of tough questions he escaped for more than a year.

    He answered some better than others, and some not at all. But the mere fact that at least five damaging issues were thrown at him within 30 minutes was testament to how much the race has changed in the six weeks since anti-American remarks by Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeramiah Wright, became public.

    That was the high-water mark of Obama’s campaign, and now the cracks are showing. My bet is that his ineffective answers on Wednesday night will mean more doubts among voters and more concern among Democratic superdelegates about whether Obama is electable in November.

    The result is that Clinton, despite her own electability issues and an imperfect evening, scored a debate victory just a week before the Pennsylvania primary. A loss would knock her out.

    But that seems far less likely after Obama’s rocky performance. His biggest mistake was ducking a chance to explain what earlier “controversial” comments he had heard from Wright that led him to drop Wright from his campaign opening. Instead of giving an honest answer that would put the issue to rest, Obama called it a “distraction” and defended Wright while calling some of his statements “objectionable.”

    That’s putting it too mildly. When Clinton chipped in that “you get to choose your pastor” and added that Obama’s church had given an award to Louis Farrakhan and printed an anti-Semitic rant by a Hamas leader, the case was closed permanently.

    Obama is clearly guilty of horrible judgment, and maybe worse.

    Obama also came close to repeating the snobbishness he displayed when he said small-town residents “cling to guns or religion” out of bitterness. This time he called guns and religion “wedge issues.”

    Memo to Obama: One man’s wedge issue is another man’s family value. It’s time you learned the difference.

    He then gave an unsatisfactory answer about his relationship with William Ayres, a ’60s violent radical. And he didn’t answer a viewer’s question about why he doesn’t wear a flag on his lapel, calling it a “manufactured issue.” To him, but not to many Americans.

    Obama’s problem wasn’t any one of those issues. It was all of them. Combined, they paint a portrait of someone who seems distant from the concerns of the people he wants to lead.

    He is certain they are wrong and he is right about what is important and what is a distraction. A lot of politicians have gone broke making that bet.

    To judge from Wednesday night, Obama is determined to join them.

  40. Obama is just naturally assuming he will win Philly and has pretty much ignored it. The only problem with his game plan is that he has to win Philly really big in order to have any chance of winning the state. He will win Philly, but the closer Hillary keeps it the bigger her overall win will be.

  41. meiyingsu Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 9:56 am
    mj, swich from hillary because she was too nagative. see it is hillary’s fault again.

    Huh? 3 are switching from Hill? WTH?

  42. # meiyingsu Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    moononpluto, it seems not because it is said bho picks up three SDs in PA today.

    i am sure they were sitting in the wings waiting to be dispatched at a critical point……and that was last night 😀

  43. I told you Obama will try and create another diversion today away from the debate, you can bank on it, if its Sd’s of course, however they may delay that announcement after last night performance. After all bambi said they had 7 NC sd’s endorsing him on Monday, turns out only 2 decided to do it.

  44. meiyingsu, if you think those SD’s just now decided to endorse Bambi, I have a bridge to sell you.

    These are people who have been in Obama’s pocket for months, just waiting for him to tell them when to announce, and what “reason” to parrot as to why they did.

    The fact that he feels the need to trot them out NOW says that he is scrambling to change the subject. It’s a good sign, IMO.

  45. And from what I read, they are not Hill supporters switching, just SD’s who had not backed anyone yet, who have decided to come out for Obama.

  46. Seriously Hillary was in no way negative last night, which means the 3 sd’s were plants and never in her camp in the 1st place, you just dont swap like that.

    and who is saying this?

  47. HillaryforTexas, at this stage, it is people voice that is most important. If Hillary win big in PA, those politicians will swing back again.

  48. mj,
    No, they claimed they were undecided. It is the same trick Obama uses all the time holds back endorsements until he needs them. After last night one would think he would have all his in the pocket endorsements go public and if all he is trotting out is 3 he is in real trouble.

  49. philly poll………go vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    How would you rate ABC’s debate questions?
    The network’s Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopolous asked and the candidates answered. Choose the response below that best matches your opinion.
    Excellent. Character issues matter as much as policy issues.
    Good. I wanted explanations from the candidates.
    Disappointing. The big issues were ignored for an hour.
    Terrible. All the “he said, she said” was a waste of time.
    Can’t say. I tried to watch but it was just too annoying / boring.
    Don’t know / don’t care / didn’t watch

  50. Its amazing when bambi has a bad day or something happens, he miraculously gains sd’s on news that would send people scrambling, its what you call diversion or a fit up job.

    You’d think someone would call him on it.

  51. meiyingsu Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 10:05 am
    HillaryforTexas, at this stage, it is people voice that is most important. If Hillary win big in PA, those politicians will swing back again.

    Yes, but we don’t need people blaming Hill for supporting BO. I hate this man. These people are using sexism to garner support. He performed poorly but it is Hill’s fault for not protecting him. Gimme a break.

  52. mj

    He keeps saying he wants to end this as soon as possible and after his performance last night if he had any more SD to announce they were endorsing him he would have them front and center to try to get people to forget last night. Only sending out 3 tells me that the SD’s are worried and waiting to see what happens Tuesday.

  53. perfect timing too, amazing be even funnier if those SD’s decided not to today after all, after watching last night. Nothing more sacred than a politician covering his own ass.

  54. Can anyone answer my question? Are they really blaming Hill?

    RJK, I am pissed. These SDs seem determined to take the Party over the cliff with this guy.

  55. rjk1957, do you know how many % of AA living in Philly area? I guess those three SDs represent district where there are heavily AA population.

  56. RJK you are right, if Obama had the SD’s, he would have ended this, if he trotted out 50 sd’s in 1 go, well what do you do but you get a sense many are holding back until Wed.

  57. meiyingsu Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 10:15 am
    rjk1957, do you know how many % of AA living in Philly area? I guess those three SDs represent district where there are heavily AA population.

    How do you know that?

  58. I am sure no SDs changed thier support to him because of the debate. With only 1 week before the vote, you can be sure this was all planned some time ago. It’s a staged event. It is all part of the game of politics.

  59. Of course it’s meant to distract from his poor performance. that’s not the point. Perception is the point.

  60. rjk1957 Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    AA make up 44% of registered Dems in Philly.

    looked to me like they were mostly holding hill-a-ry!! signs to me 😀

  61. mj, I really don’t think that anyone can give you the kind of confirmation that you’re looking for.

    The only thing I’ve seen is a reference to something Steph repeated about the Obama campaign saying that there are 3 SDs who are switching from Hillary to Obama because Hillary is too negative.

    It’s supposedly happening this morning so there should only be a couple more hours wait before we find out either way.

  62. The way I see it, If the Republicans win the White House, the Democratic Party will not longer be a national party, yes they can win local elections. If they (republicans) win, that means the Democrats have only held the Presidenticy(sp) for 12 years since 1976 (Jimmy Carter, and Bill for 2 terms ) So 12 years out of 32 is pretty damn bad!

  63. JAS, totally agree with you. if DNC nomenate BHO no matter what then they are out of touch of America people.

  64. Great win for Hillary last night.She really is a NATIONAL TREASURE and we need to protect her,support her and make her our first Woman and 44th President of our country.The glass ceiling began crumbling last night.I am now getting fearful for her safety.There are a lot of paranoids out there being encouraged to do some shameful things to reverse her run to the Whitehouse.Please watch over her,Secret Service,she is so sorely needed by her country. Remember the words ( E TU BRUTE ).


    By your old supporter HILL. ABM90

  65. Hillary is too negative, if she confronts BO, and if she doesn’t, she is too weak. Unbelievable. Better the SDs switch now, than later. They were probably going to switch anyway. They are spouting the BO campaign line.

  66. djia Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 10:13 am
    video of outside the debate!!

    The video djia points out spends 14 seconds panning across the Obama zone, and that roughly backs up my estimate of like 50 / 60 people. That was the only area they were concentrated in.

    I spoke w/ someone from the Philly headquarters about tonight’s event at a diner, and we talked about last night. She said their estimate was about 850 Hillary supporters. I’d like to know how many people signed in last night at the Holiday Inn headquarters. I’ll see if I can find out more tonight.

    Last night, one of the field organizers gave his estimate of an 8-1 ration of Clinton to Obama supporters. BTW, even I was surprised at the diversity of Hill’s coalition: lots of young people, lots of AA, GLBT, Asian Americans, Hispanic, even white guys like me. So Barack does not have a lock on the diversity thing.

  67. Actually, if these are PA SD’s, would have been better later, like after the primary. I hope it’s not Murtha. He hasn’t been on the trail for Hill at all as far as I can tell.

  68. mj: I don’t think, Murtha would be that flakey. I think, he has done some campaigning for her. He did a video for her, which is on her site.

  69. Seriously if they all start doing this, I am so done with the Democrat Party, they can go to hell and lose big in Novemebr. they are being held to ransom and none of them have the balls to stand up to it.

  70. Another one who is trying to protect his ass. Yep Obama’s lot put the boot in, you can so tell. What a spineless rat

    Council member and newly elected superdelegate Harry Thomas Jr., initially a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, is announcing that he will cast his vote at the Democratic National Convention in Denver for Sen. Barack Obama.

    Thomas received more than 100 phone calls and e-mails from constituents who feared that he would use his power as a superdelegate to vote for Clinton despite the city’s overwhelming support of Obama in the Potomac Primary.

    “After meeting with the candidates and listening to my constituents, I have to honor the 83 percent who support Barack Obama,” he said in an interview, referring to the results of the Democratic primary.

    Thomas will make the announcement at 10 p.m. at a debate watch party.

  71. there are no report on BHO’s website that three SDs in PA endorse him today. It may be just a romour like 50 SDs before OH and TX.

  72. from TM comment,

    Interesting…the memo about prominent PA supporters switching to Obama from Clinton is magically gone from Halperin’s site.
    bdestini | 04.17.2008 – 11:12 am | #

  73. prominent? Well, that’s not good. I hope it was just a rumor, however BO could be going for the element of surprise. Do we know where he is today? We can probably figure out who they are by where he will be.

  74. we watched the debate last night, and Hill was firm in questioning Obama on a variety of topics, including electabiliity. But she went to great lengths to be positive, yet strong.

    Obama was the one who went negative. Right before the first break, he launched into a non-sequitir slander about Bill Clinton pardoning radicals. How is this Hillary’s fault. First he doesn’t want to give her “credit” for time spent as First Lady. But as First Lady, she was the Machivellian mastermind of anything that went wrong.

    I agree, the SD swith was probably planned, timed to coincide with the debate, and to hopefully turn things around for him in PA.

    ALL SD’s ARE IN PLAY. WE WILL KICK HIS A** FROM HERE UNTIL DENVER, AND WIN BACK TRAITOR SD’S AND UNDECIDED SDS. They only respond to shame, and fear of losing face in the eyes of their constituents.

  75. rgb44hrc Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Since I work in Philly, I was able to walk over to Const. Convention Ctr. At first, I saw the Hillary side, thinking the “other half” would be the Obama people. After wading through more groups of Hillary supporters, I finally came across a small pocket of Obama people. Turns out they had to ask the police to have their own “spot”, seeing as the well organized Clinton folks, some of whom had been there since 10am, had the area blanketed, with more and more Hillarites pouring in. After passing the Obama crowd, more and more Clinton people. We had all four street corners completely swamped, and the main area directly across the street was mainly Hill’s folks.

    My estimate that there was about 50 (75 tops) people in the Obama zone, and various Obama people wandering around. The Clinton number harder to gauge, but an estimate of 300 – 600 would seem reasonable. To say that we outnumbered them 3-1 would be conservative, it could have been 5+ to 1.

    And Philly was supposed to be Obama’s home turf?

    After the debate started, we headed over to the viewing party at the Holiday Inn, where idunno, 300 people crammed themselves into the large room, cleaning out all the freebie snacks.

    I don’t think the Obama people had such a debate viewing party. They were barely organized. Hill’s people were working out of the Holiday Inn, and had a rental van where people could get signs, and water.

    The organizational difference was like night and day.

    This sounds about write. I was on the Activate training call at 6pm yesterday and they had one of Clinton’s organizers who is usually on the call dial in but she was at the debate center. She apologized for all the noise in the background but said that there were over 400 enthusiastic supporters there for Hillary and they were there to show the Senator their support and for visibility. They were really loud and she said that there were lots of signs.

    Jon Fromowitcz on the call emphasized again and again to call, call, call. He said that this could make the difference between a win and a big win.

    Guys, if you do anything today, please call PA if only for 1/2hr tonight.

  76. Any PA supporter who endorses Obama today would be comminting suicide after all the allegations last night.

    Do Democrats have a party death wish!

  77. mj Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 11:19 am
    prominent? Well, that’s not good. I hope it was just a rumor, however BO could be going for the element of surprise. Do we know where he is today?

    Is this like, “Where’s Waldo?”. Hmmm, can’t seem to find him. Ooops, found him on an island resort!

  78. Pat Cadell, (democratic strategist and pollster) who sometimes appears on Fox was on Bill Bennett’s ‘Morning in America’ talk show said today that the Democrats are in a mess. He also said that the polls are all over the place and that he doesn’t really believe them. He said that she will win PA in double digits and it will really beg the question of what the Democrats are doing. He came down hard on Obama and said that all of these things have to come out.

    Bill bennett and ALL of his callers (most of them men who I heard) thought that she won hands down. Bennett said, I’m not trying to be mean to him and I like him but these associations are scary stuff. One guy called in and said I don’t care for Barrack and I don’t like Hillary either but if I had to vote for any of them, it would be Hillary. He said she seems more knowledgeable, had command of all the facts and that Obama just stumpled around.

    If the majority of the voters saw this debate the way that we did or the Republicans, Sen. clinton should do very well in Pa.

    Please remember to call PA.


    According to a Time interview Obama was in prep school while mom was getting her Phd and collecting food stamps. Of course you know that at that time he would be living with the (well off) grandparents not mom.

    READ AT LINK BELOW: Paragraph 9 Last two sentences:,9171,1546302,00.html

    He told the story in brilliant, painful detail in his first book, Dreams from My Father, which may be the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician. His parents met at the University of Hawaii and stayed together only briefly. His father left when Obama was 2 years old, and Barack was raised in Hawaii by his Kansas grandparents, except for a strange and adventurous four-year interlude when he lived in Indonesia with his mother and her second husband. As a teenager at Hawaii’s exclusive Punahou prep school and later as a college student, Obama road tested black rage, but it was never a very good fit. There was none of the crippling psychological legacy of slavery in his family’s past. He was African and American, as opposed to African American, although he certainly endured the casual cruelties of everyday life—in the new book, he speaks of white people mistaking him for a valet-parking attendant—that are visited upon nonwhites in America. “I had to reconcile a lot of different threads growing up—race, class,” he told me. “For example, I was going to a fancy prep school, and my mother was on food stamps while she was getting her Ph.D.” Obama believes his inability to fit neatly into any group or category explains his relentless efforts to understand and reconcile opposing views. But the tendency is so pronounced that it almost seems an obsessive-compulsive tic.

  80. From a politico poster….had to share….


    1. Maybe words DON’T matter.

    2. Maybe friends DON’T matter.

    3. Maybe past actions DON’T matter.

    4. Maybe past associations DON’T matter.

    5. Maybe experience DOESN’T matter.

    I guess that leaves us with the question . . . just what DOES matter according to Obama?

    Slick stump speeches? Psychotically-obsessed fans? Cult-like followers?

  81. Hillary’s Reviews Are In: ‘The Winner,’ ‘Strong Presence,’ ‘In Her Element’

    Hillary dominates Philadelphia focus group. “NYDIA HAN: The real take away is this. We now know who won the debate according to our focus group. Take a look. Senator Clinton is the debate winner, at least according to our focus group. 23% believe Senator Obama won while 50% believed Senator Clinton won.” [WPVI Post-Debate Analysis, 4/16/08]

    ABC News’ Rick Klein – ‘Clinton is back to the strong presence we saw early in the cycle.’ [ABC News Political Radar, 4/16/08]

    NBC News’ Chuck Todd – Obama ‘did not have a good night.’ [MSNBC Post-Debate Analysis, 4/16/08]

    NBC News’ Chuck Todd—Obama’s answer on Ayers and the flag ‘were simply weak.’ “His answer on Ayers and the flag question were simply weak; He seemed unprepared for them; Kinda surprising because he normally has a decent rant against “old politics” and yet “old politics” questions seemed to stump him.” [NBC First Read, 4/16/08]

    The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder – [T]here’s no way Obama could fared worse. [The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder, 4/16/08]

    Washington Post’ Chris Cillizza— Obama ‘struggled quite a bit’ when asked about Rev. Wright. “…He struggled quite a bit more when asked to answer for Wright, his former pastor.” [Washington Post, The Fix, 4/16/08]

    New York Times’ Katharine Seeyle: Hillary’s ‘in her element as she goes into details.’ “She’s becoming expansive, seemingly in her element as she goes into details; Mr. Obama does not look as thrilled to be still standing there.” [New York Times, The Caucus, 4/16/08]

    Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall – Hillary ‘certainly seems more self-assured.’ “She certainly seems more self-assured on the Iran question than Obama did. The question of extending an American security umbrella to Israel is very dicey. And he could clearly see he was on delicate territory.” [Talking Points Memo, 4/16/08]

    Philadelphia Inquirer blog – ‘Obama is again less certain, and rambles a bit.’ “Obama is again less certain, and rambles a bit when asked about the Washington D.C. gun ban. Gibson asks him to deny that he has ever advocated a complete ban on hand guns in 1996. Obama says no. But whatever the truth, no other answer is possible.” [Philadelphia Inquirer Blog, 4/16/08]

    NBC News’ Matthew Berger – Obama ‘tried to have it both ways’ with Israel. “Obama’s answer on an Iranian attack on Israel tried to seem to have it both ways: highlight his support for Israel but not lock him into treating an attack on Israel like an attack on the U.S. But it may have looked more like a no because it wasn’t a firm yes. Clinton’s answer seemed more direct.” [NBC First Read, 4/16/08]


    April 17, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    Ayers in the news

    Barack Obama took his first public grilling on his relationship with Bill Ayers last night, and between the moderators’ pressing and Clinton’s follow-up, it had exactly the effect the Clinton campaign hoped: finally injecting the issue into the public discussion.

    At the moment, “Ayers” is the fifth most searched term on Google, according to Google Trends; “Ayers Obama” is 15th. “William Ayers” is 26th.

    On the Clinton campaign conference call, Howard Wolfson pressed the point and tried to differentiate Ayers from the former Weather Underground members whom President Clinton pardoned whose sentences President Clinton commuted. (He said he didn’t know Hillary’s view on those pardons commutations.)

    “The difference here is that Bill Ayers hosted an event at his home for Sen. Obama when Sen. Obama was running for state senator,” he said.

    (One Ayers footnote: There are references to his having said he had no regrets for the bombing on 9/11. The first part may be bad enough, but the 9/11 part of that is just a bizarre coincidence; the comments ran in that morning’s Times.)

    (Also: Obama has a “fact check” on this that is in the slightly odd position of not actually clarifying their relationship, but instead has a range of denials, including the line, which Axelrod and Obama have since contradicted, that there’s no “evidence of any relationship.”)


    Yup these young democrats get it.

    Hillary Clinton has the experience necessary to achieve her vision

    Pennsylvania Democrats are confronted with a tragedy of riches: two incredibly appealing candidates for their Party’s nomination.

    We want to believe that Sen. Barack Obama can accomplish all he promises. His soaring rhetoric and compelling vision have inspired us and many other students.

    But while Obama’s charisma far outshines that of Sen. Hillary Clinton, her public service, political experience and tenacity tell us not only “Yes we can” but also “How we can.” As such, we endorse Clinton for the Democratic Party’s nomination for president.

    Our endorsement is not a rejection of Obama’s leadership qualities. But choosing the president of the United States is too important a decision to make based on hope alone. After finishing his term in the Senate and better showing us what he can do for the American people, Obama could one day be a remarkable president.

    Clinton, on the other hand, is ready to lead this nation now. A successful champion for change, her experience in the Senate and as first lady gives her a better understanding of how Washington works. She has the ability to turn policy into reality. And her mastery of causes central to the Democratic Party’s platform makes her better suited to challenge presumptive Republican nominee John McCain.

    Take her leadership on health-care issues. In 1993, then-first lady Clinton urged America to embrace universal health care during her keynote speech at Penn’s commencement. Unfortunately, she was far ahead of the times. Her proposal was met with fierce resistance and ultimately rejected.

    Refusing to give up, Clinton helped to expand children’s health insurance in the late 90’s instead. More than a decade later, her new policies – and the concept of universal health care itself – enjoy wider support because of her past work. Indeed, of all the candidates still in the race, she offers the most comprehensive health care proposal. And as with most of her plans, she also has a way to fund it.

    Some doubt Clinton’s ability to bring the country together. But, in New York, her senatorial campaigns united a surprisingly wide coalition of supporters across political and socioeconomic boundaries. She can do the same this November.

    Others are concerned with her support for the Iraq War Resolution. But since then, she has pressed the Bush administration for accountability and demanded a responsible end to the war. She also has far more exposure to national security and foreign policy.

    Ultimately, we are confident in Clinton’s ability to implement her agenda. It’s this quality that has brought leaders like Mayor Michael Nutter and Governor Ed Rendell to her side. And it’s this quality that convinces us to support her as well.

  84. Yup ABC goes after obama about lying last night

    “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire, Charlie. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns,” said Obama.

    The Illinois Democrat made his remarks after ABC News’ Charlie Gibson told Obama: “In 1996, your campaign issued a questionnaire, and your writing was on the questionnaire that said you favored a ban on handguns.”

    The questionnaire, which was filled out for an organization called “Independent Voters of Illinois – Independent Precinct Organizations,” appears to have Obama’s handwriting on the first page plus a typewritten answer to the gun question on the last page.

  85. Ann Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 11:47 am
    From a politico poster….had to share….

    Nice one, Ann. Schweet.

  86. At least nobody fainted during the debate. It seems to me no one has fainted at one of BHO’s rallys since Uncle Jerry Wright arrived on the scene in this campaign. Does this mean BHO has lost some of his spellbinding charm?

  87. Reviews Give Clinton the Edge in Salty Democratic Debate


    After just listening to major garret talking about the debate….he said the SD are discussing last nights debate
    that he doubted another debate would happen as BO hasn’t signed off on another and doubts after last night that he would (LOL) ( the super delegates will also see he is “afraid” of debating again and that will bring about even more deep seeded doubt about BO.)

    I think Hillary saying “yes yes yes” was her taking the high road for pleasing the SD as she didn’t have to actually say BO was unelectable……BO basically said it himself 😀 and now everyone knows as it was shown very blatantly in the debate that he can not with stand scrutiny without floundering badly…..I suspect we will see a swoon of SD switch to Hillary after Indiana if not before

  89. I sort of think Hill should do an ad targeting young voters with a slew of her proposals for youth, and the UPenn endorsement. Let them know they are important to her.

  90. AS Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    The way I see it, If the Republicans win the White House, the Democratic Party will not longer be a national party, …..

    Yup. Does anyone really want to belong to the “Loser Party”? If we count the number of elections since FDR/Truman (starting in 1952 w/ Ike), there have been 14 Presidential elections, and Dems have won just 5. And this was when they had a majority in the House & Senate for most of that time span.

    Gee, whatever happened to the Whig Party? Gone the way of the dodo bird.

  91. Some one needs to make an A to Z list on why not Obama and send that to the editorial sections of local papers.
    A -Ayers
    B- Black Panther endorsement/ bittergate


    just an idea


  92. no one cares I will stop but I do believe such a list could also be effective with supers. seeing everything together might have an impact

  93. hi hillfans. a little tired becuase i stayed up in the wee hours watching the debate. hillfans, it was great seeing stephanopolos bring up ayers. the ironic thing that very afternoon before the debate he was on hannity’s radio show. it is not like i love right-wing radio but the left channels are so hillary-hating at least i know where the righties stand. rhodes, shultz, miller. malloy, and on and on a full fledged haters. alan colmes, lyn samuals, and offcourse taylor marsh are one of the few on the left talkers to defend hillary.

  94. s-snobgate


    l-lying (gun control, Kennedy connection, Selma)

    w-words only


    h-hoof in mouth disease

  95. to be clear, sean hannity is a loon. he will go after obama but when he feels hillary is getting the upper hand he will rebash her. so by no means i am a fan of his. when he starts trashing hillary i turn the channel.

  96. Sean Hannity has my eternal respect for standing up for ferraro. i may disagree with him but he did the right thing

  97. El Rushbo

    Obama has been exposed for the fraud that he is
    -when obama does not have a prepared speech for not wearing a lapel pin, he cannot say that he loves America

    -when Obama doesn’t have a prepared speech, he can not explain his relationships

    -The drive by media has gotten the Dems in trouble, they havn’t challenged and their puff coverage hasn’t toughened up Dem canidates and when they get tough questions,t hey get upset

    -Obama and Clinton can not win against McCain and the SD know this

    -there is nothing confident about him
    -he was stumbling answering questions last night when they should have been easy

    tiburones | 04.17.2008 – 12:27 pm |

  98. just donated another $10.44 to hillary. i will recieve my rebate check early may. more donations to

  99. Yeah…..maybe the BO supporters are right. Maybe ABC did a poor job……why should the American people care if their president has ties to an indicted political fixer; a confirmed, unrepentant domestic terrorist and a rapid anti-American racist pastor.

  100. Why didn’t Charlie Gibson say “YES it was we have a copy” He just let Obama lie about his handwriting. I respect Gibson, but he should have supported his journalism.

  101. It’s amusing that the MSM is upset about supposedly trivial questions directed at its darling, while it still yammers about Hillary’s “baggage,” and what does that mean but the fake 90s “scandals.”

  102. El Rusbo (Rush Limbaugh):

    Obama hangs around with people who hates this country

    -Obama has been able to hide behind his speeches and the fawning media but not anymore. He cannot win in NOv.The Dems need to find a 3rd canidate. (Rusbo is gleeful today).

    -By definition, the SDs can vote anyway they want, they have to find a 3rd canidate. The party is spilt. (I doubt that the party will put forward a 3rd canidate but now that comment earlier last month comes to mind abut putting forward Gore).

    -All of his associates don’t like this country i.e Wright, Ayers, his wife is running around angry all the time

    -he got defensive about Ayers
    -pure incompetence

    He is dissing Hillary also but most of his venom is being spewed at obama.

    ATTENTION SUPER DELEGATES: The Repubs have painted Obama’s blank slate and filled it in. It is clear how they will attack him and we’ve seen this movie before.

    They will attack him as unpatriotic, as not loving America, as hanging out with radicals who has hurt this country and doesn’t love it

    They will use his pin, Michelle’s thesis, her statemens, his associations with Rev.Wright, Ayers, Weather Underground, etc,.

    We are doomed if he gets the nomination.

    Guys call PA and donate to Hillary if you can even if it is $5.44.

    Hannity will rip Obama to shreds today. I heard a little bit of talk radio last night and Mark Levin and Mike Gallagher were RIPPER Obama. Expect more tonight

  103. Rush is (w)right on this one…

    Simple…..BO hangs around with people who hate America. That’s kind of a problem in a president.

  104. me thinks the snippet of hill “crying” and saying what she sees as the potential for USA would be a graet ad

  105. Still, no satisfaction for Clinton’s sisterhood
    By Joan Vennochi, Globe Columnist | April 17, 2008

    DEVAL PATRICK brought his cool. John Kerry brought his angst. Ted Kennedy brought his wife.

  106. Hillary absolutely blew Obama out of the water last night. It was not even CLOSE. Obama looked completely flummoxed, flustered, and on his heels the entire night. He offered his 100th different explanation about how he feels about Rev. Wright (now, he supports him again) and couldn’t formulate any response to the Ayers issue other than attacking Bill Clinton.

  107. birdgal
    i read earlier on post that the pgh post gazatte was asking for 1000 words in respopnse to last night debates which made me think where do i start with bambi. However I think a no bambi from a to z could be very effective. Esp when we move to Nc throw out a letter.

  108. @dija,

    god…must be the day to stoke black anger. White guilt is on for tomorrow. The media have just got to call him on the hypocrisy of it all.

  109. Ok, the list is getting old. No offense.

    djia, did he really do that? He’s not in PA?

    The “switchers” were a retired school teacher who said pissy things about Hill, and some guy who has been with him since March who said being pres wife is not experience.

  110. he is NC and the crowd was small I believe and it was a 50/50 mix but of course they positioned the whiteys from the looks of it

  111. ABC News’ George Stephanopolus has stepped up to defend his and his colleague’s Charles Gibson’s debate moderation last night, and rightfully so:

    Anyone who hasn’t called ABC yet, I urge you to do so to help counteract the Obama astroturfers who are trying to vastly overstate their influence:


    Thanks. Let’s reinforce ABC’s great coverage.

    *thumbs up*


    Very informative article, seems some explaining would be good.

    It was at the Chicago home of Ayers and Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming “community organizer,” had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working “only to educate” — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers.

    Barack Obama made a joint appearance with Bill Ayers in 1997 at a University of Chicago panel on the outrage of treating juvenile criminals as if they were, well, criminals. Obama apologists say, “So what? People appear with other people all the time.” Nice try. This panel was orchestrated by none other than Michelle Obama, then an Associate Dean of Student Services. Ayers didn’t happen to be there — he was invited by the Obamas to educate students on the question before the house: “Should a Child Ever Be Called a ‘Super Predator?’”

  113. Afternoon! HRC looked like she was already the president this morning when she met with Gordon Brown.

  114. been watching Andrea Mitchell today a bit and she seems to be standing up for Hillary today, yet she does put out the bosnia issue a tad bit for the contrast part of the discussion…..but for the most part she defended Hill today with a obama supporter
    and cut him off and moved onto a new segment 😀

    don’t ask me to get specific, i dont want to type it all out today LOL

  115. She must have been so bored listening to Brown, that man is a useless piece of wood, besides he won’t be British PM by the time she’s elected lol, he’s on the verge of being dumped by his party.

  116. I got another e-mail from the DNC today and advised that until Florida and Michigan are counted, they will never receive another dollar from me.

  117. I admit it: I love Hillary.

    She is great; she looks great. She doesn’t give in. She fights back. She’s smart and she remembers and she knows stuff.

    I love her.

    (excuse the outburst 🙂 )

  118. again the pittsburgh post gazete claims to be willing to post reactions to debate
    i want to do an a to z why bambi is no no

  119. mj,

    They were at the British Embassy in DC. Oh, and I loved Hill’s scarf. Nice contrast with her brown suit.

  120. How is Crackerquiddick coming, is it still high in the press today.

    Crackerquiddick – This is the term i am going to use to describe Obama’s collective fuck ups. Teddy was drunk when he committed electoral suicide, Whats your excuse Obama.

  121. moononpluto,

    I thought Brown was pretty popular. He had done such a great job as chancellor. I liked Tony Blair too until he kept defending the Iraq war. Now Brown is getting kicked out too?

  122. Yeah, Brown is supposed to be a technocrat, and a wonk. I am surprised he’s not still popular. I like him.

  123. mj
    okay i see your point but i think if not to the press but to the supers a compilation of the why nots with only links to more info could have an effect

  124. Browns has a lower rating than Bush, he fucked up the British economy, and he was not a good chancellor, he ran it on smoke and mirrors and now the Uk is in one hell of a mess, worse than the US.

    The British Conservatives have a 46% poll rating and Labour only 27%.

    Browns persoanl rating is 22%

  125. Crackerquiddick – This is the term i am going to use to describe Obama’s collective fuck ups. Teddy was drunk when he committed electoral suicide, Whats your excuse Obama.
    That’s one thing about the Republicans, when they give you a nickname, they tag you for life.


  126. hillary is doing what she needs to to beat obama-help raise questions about him. in essence vet him on ayers, khalaidi etc.. msm wont do all this we know but i think she has to to tke him down

  127. this was kinda interesting on politico. ABC – geniuses to check in with SDs – have to wonder if instead of showing SD questions, they found one’s from the general public that echoed these questions.

    April 15, 2008
    Categories: Debates

    Superdelegate questions taped for Dem debate

    Gail Shister looks at ABC’s preparations for tomorrow night’s debate, and reveals a possible twist.

    In a new wrinkle, ABC taped questions from several superdelegates “because they might be the ones who decide this election,” said Charlie Gibson, co-moderator with colleague George Stephanopoulos.

    Political director David Chalian told the Philly Inquirer there’s “been no decision on whether any will be included.”

  128. I had wondered what happened to Rev. Wright’s appearance – (i hope someone snuck in some recording device, Mayhill Fowler??)

    April 15, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    Rev. Wright dodges the media

    Jeremiah Wright gave a sermon on Sunday in Norfolk, VA, where he declined any questions by any reporters in attendance. Instead, journalists received a statement.

    A reporter from Mix Magazine was on there.

    He asked the handful of us journalists to stand yet a second time to identify ourselves as an usher walked around. Among us were Barbara Ciara, the president of the National Association of Black Journalists, and anchor for WTKR NewsChannel and Leonard Colvin of the New Journal & Guide. Surely we would have been fair and balanced. The media release was useless concerning the Barack Obama firestorm.

    The sermon was open to the public, but there were no audio and video recorders allowed. So it appears the ever-outspoken Wright now can’t deal with being recorded.

  129. Today at a rally in NC , Barack Obama said he was bamboozled and hoodwinked on last nights debate for having to answer real questions about his judgment on Wright, Ayers, capital gains, guns etc.

    He said this was the old style politics and…..HE’S GOING TO CHANGE IT????

    Americans have every right to have a fully vetted candidate for president no matter which party.

    We don’t need a cry baby when things get tough

  130. bamboozled and hoodwinked by ABC – puleeeze – at least he’s acknowledging that he sucked.

    6.5 LIES FROM OBAMA AT THE DEBATE – who is hoodwinking now?

  131. Using the terms “hoodwinked” and “bamboozled” is old politics. Some people don’t know the context, but Senator Obama, I DO.

  132. I was just over at the DNC PB, now those folks are pissed!! LOL!! It’s nice to see them squirm for a change! Poor little Bambi actually had to answer some questions!

  133. Berkeley Vox Says at 1:31 pm:
    Hillary absolutely blew Obama out of the water last night. It was not even CLOSE. Obama looked completely flummoxed, flustered, and on his heels the entire night. He offered his 100th different explanation about how he feels about Rev. Wright (now, he supports him again) and couldn’t formulate any response to the Ayers issue other than attacking Bill Clinton.

    MSNBC’s internet poll this morning, “who won last night’s debate?” had BHO at 58%. That’s just silly. These bamboozled “children of the corn” surf the net 24/7 and respond to polls en masse with a vengeance. Thank god for the 44 stalwarts – but, Hillary’s base is made up mostly of working people who don’t spend 24/7 on the Internet. Is there a story here – to blow the cover of all BHO’s false polling and publicity?

  134. Well, so the new style politics , is never giving an answer, having terrorist friends and hiding your real religion! In otherwards, not being square with the American people, well, that Mr. Obama has been going on forever, nothing new there!

  135. It’s from a Spike Lee movie about Malcolm X. Malcolm X didn’t actually use the words in his speech, but they were used in that time. It’s about white politicians coming into black neighborhoods to get votes, but really just using african americans, tricking them.

  136. Plural, I feel your outburst! 🙂 I LOVE HER TOO!

    She was so fantastic last night. I was surging with pride.

    And last night I had a dream about her (I often do on debate-nights or election days). She was appearing with David Letterman (yeah, I dunno…) in the church at the catholic school I went to in my childhood. She sat with me and I pointed out to her that I received my first communion in that church. 🙂

    Ummm, have I said too much? I’ll just stop now. ;0

  137. good article on how much Obama sucked and didn’t put to rest anxieties of the voters he’s trying to reach:

    Obama Shaken, Rattled, and Rolled (read the rest in the link)
    By Dick Polman

    Just how bad was Barack Obama’s debate performance last night? Not as bad as Britney Spears’ song-and-dance routine at the MTV Awards. Not as bad as Bill Buckner’s legendary error during the ’86 World Series. Not as bad as Bob Dylan’s music during his God phase. Not as bad as John Travolta’s Scientology cinema experiment in Battlefield Earth. Not as bad as Mike Dukakis’ fateful ride in a military tank.

    In other words, Obama could have done worse. Neverthless, if he still harbors any hopes of driving Hillary Clinton from the Democratic race by scoring an upset victory in Pennsylvania, he might be wise to get real. It’s hard to imagine that he won over the working-class, culturally-conservative Democrats who constitute the swing vote; if anything, his performance during the first 45 minutes of the debate may well have cemented their suspicions.

  138. a young college girl just said those out side welcome you, she said there was ALOT of others outside (room was full) YEAH

  139. someone here posted garin’s email addresses. i did a search and and it isnt popping up. what is it again?

  140. God Hillary just knows everything about everything, she’s so smart. She’s so well versed in clean fuel and science.

  141. JAS,
    I hope not. MSNBC’s coverage has been horrible during this campaign, especially Matthews. Its not everyone- Joe Scarborough is fair, Pat Buchanan gets it, and Chuck Todd was one of the few politcal talking heads that said Hill had a chance to get nominated so she shouldn’t drop out. But overall they have not been unbiased in covering this campaign. HRC going on their programs only makes them think they can trash her & get away with it.

  142. She should never appear on Hardball or MSNBC as they have treated her and her family with the least respect of any of the networks…from Russert to Mika, all pro Obama or art least anti-Clinton.

  143. InformedinIllinois wrote:

    MSNBC’s internet poll this morning, “who won last night’s debate?” had BHO at 58%. That’s just silly. These bamboozled “children of the corn” surf the net 24/7 and respond to polls en masse with a vengeance. Thank god for the 44 stalwarts – but, Hillary’s base is made up mostly of working people who don’t spend 24/7 on the Internet. Is there a story here – to blow the cover of all BHO’s false polling and publicity?
    Someone needs to tell these silly internet news sites that voluntarily “polls” are statistically insignificant, and therefore useless. That’s Statistics 101. Of course, they’ll never tell anyone that, because that would drive down site traffic and reduce ad revenues, but hey….

  144. on TM comments:



    Hamas Endorses Obama

    On Sunday, Aaron Klein and John Batchelor interviewed Ahmed Yousef, chief political adviser to the Prime Minister of Hamas, on WABC radio. The interview produced a scoop which, for some reason, has not been widely publicized: Hamas has endorsed Barack Obama for President. Yousef said, “We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election.” Why? “He has a vision to change America.” Maybe Yousef has some insight into what Obama means by all these vague references to “change.”

    Of course, Hamas’s taste in American presidents is suspect. Yousef also described Jimmy Carter, who was about to pay a call on Hamas when the interview was taped, as “this noble man” who “did an excellent job as President.”

    Yousef was asked about Obama’s condemnation of Carter’s visit with Hamas, but didn’t seem troubled by it. Hamas, he says, understands American politics; this is the election season, and everyone wants to sound like a friend of Israel. Nevertheless, he hopes that the Democrats will change American policies when they take office.

    Their is an audio link at the website.

  145. Obama said last night:
    “My writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire … as I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns,” Obama said, even though his handwritten notes did appear on its front page. The response to the question about guns was typed.
    Candidates who respond to IVI-IVO questionnaires do it themselves, or at least review the work done on their behalf. I mean, this is a big deal in Chicagoland – even candidates for congress and US senate in contested races eagerly appear before the members seeking endorsement. And he was just a state senator at the time – not yet the big noise. I am certain that he held those positions at the time. It is astoundingly lame to try to duck responsibility by saying “it’s not my writing.” And, it’s generally verifiable.

    This among many other things foreshadows a president who would never take responsibility for anything he does.

  146. I hope that abc brings that up! hoodwinked? I can’t believe that obama fans are thinking that abc is mean and was hard on obama. What the hell did cnn do! I did the poll in abc at it was all that is was she said he said! I can’t believe this. EVERYONE REMEMBER BUSH WAS VOTED IN TWICE, LOOK AT OBAMA AND GEORGE BUSH THEY ACT AND TALK ALIKE!!!!!!!

  147. cutting and pasting a lot today, sorry, but it’s shorthand as I’ve got to get to work! – from Politico, Jonathan Martin. Seems that the Republicans have finally gotten their narrative together for Obama – who’s flaming, anti-American, unpatriotic liberal:

    April 17, 2008
    Categories: Obama

    Penn. congressional candidate uses ‘bitter’ in mail piece

    A Republican candidate running to succeed retiring Rep. John Peterson in a central Pennsylvania House seat is using Barack Obama’s ‘bitter’ comments in a mail piece.

    Matt Shaner, who is locked in a hotly contested race, sent out the below ahead of next Tuesday’s primary.

    The piece underscores the extent of which Republicans, up and down the ticket, will seize on the comments should Obama get the nomination.

    Of course, how it works in a GOP primary isn’t quite clear. Shaner tries it like this: “And although Republicans don’t have a competitive race for President, you can send a loud and clear message back to Obama by coming out and supporting candidates who share our values.”

  148. Berkeley: BHO youth are latter-day Children of the Corn – evil children out to get the grownups in a rebellious revenge fantasy. Part of BHO’s success story is that he has “attracted the young people to get involved” or some such. Many of these kids are clueless and are the same as any brainwashed cult members who have been recruited with hoodwinking and lies.

  149. The story is “ABC” did a terrible job, yet, no similar cry by the lemmings when NBC went after Hillary. BO, and his supporters, are the angriest bunch of people I have ever seen…some message of “Hope”….

  150. Bush and Obama: separated at birth – can anyone do one of those photo-things with the two of them – is there a bush photo with the same expression as the snob picture?


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    Enough is enough. The public needs the media to stop hurting the national dialogue in this important election year. Can you sign the petition to ABC and other media outlets and pass it on to friends who are also fed up? Click here for our must-see video with excerpts from last night—and to sign the petition:
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  152. Isn’t bamboozeld and hoodwinked code words he uses when talking to AA’s like he did in SC? Why is this not racist???

  153. meiyingsu Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    Would A Dem Say This?

    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
    Posted on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 01:31:40 PM EST
    Tags: (all tags) Share This:
    By Big Tent Democrat

    Speaking for me only and post edited

    Would a Democrat say:

    There’s really no difference between what happened in the Bush years and the Clinton years; that there’s not much difference in how small-town Pennsylvania fared when Clinton was president, and in this decade when Bush was President.

    Or would a Democrat dispute that point? In a way, there is a certain clarity that is being reached in the Obama blogworld – they want the Clinton part of the Democratic Party and the Clinton legacy demolished and destroyed. I personally think that leads to political suicide for the Democratic Party. But the Unity Schtick does not appear to extend to fellow Dems from the Obama blogs. Their hatred of Bill and Hillary Clinton has become more important to them than Obama’s chances of winning in November.

  154. I tried calling ABC to comment about the debate but the message line was jammed. I spokke briefly to an operator and he said the lines have been ringing off the hook since the debate!

    I found a contact addy for Gibsom and Geiorge and left my comments there.

    Here it is.


  156. Obama knows he lost PA so he ran back to NC to shore up his base but I also don’t think people are aware of Obama regressive tax plan on the middle class that will compound the pain on small businesses.

    We need to talk about his plan to double the payroll tax and raise capital gains across the board.

    Capital gains affects many, many average Americans in their wallets…with 401k plans and others.

    Also Payroll taxes increased doubled under Obama will hurt Small Business.

    So YES, the repubs will have a lot of grenades to throw at the democrats.

  157. Too bad Barry, most of the people that watched last night nationwide only watched the first 45 minutes before changing the channel to dancing with the Stars.

  158. Yes, plural, my dad can’t stand it. He smirks. He’s an arrogant loser. What on earth do these people see in him???

  159. rjk1957

    I hope not! I really hope everyone watched the whole damn debate! We are hoping now that dobbs and others will come on and start bitchen the media out for there lack of questions after this debate, the questionare gun, and ayers should be huge and the fact that he lied and said he didn’t know about wright!

  160. Hey guys! Does anyone have a link on where to find the whole debate? I have seen most of them so far, but this one sound like real fun!

    Thanks, I appreciate.

    And by the way, I am very confident that Gordon Brown will be re-elected even if the polls currently show low.

  161. What really creeps me about about him is the way he becomes a different person to different audiences. In San Fran he was himself, pompous professor. Here he is playing pompous cool guy. That really creeps me out. Who is the real person?

  162. Admin,

    That clip is disgusting!

    Why did you post it??????

    It reminds me of the middle school thugs I had the misfortune of working with; all swagger, all posturing, all BS!

    I couldn’t watch it – just scrolled to the ‘brush-off” that’s the headline at (Obama tries to ‘brush-off’ debate.)


    exactly how many minutes at one of his stops does he actually talk about real issues and i mean at length????

    What does ” a new kind of politics” mean exactly?? ( i only see him doing the same old same old Chicago style politics)

    exactly WHAT does he want to change in Washington and how is he planning on doing that???

  164. I can just see the next SNL Debate skit….

    Charlie and George going at Obama left and right and Obama asking “Where is Tim Russert, where is John King? I’ve been bamboozled”

  165. Please lets send that video to the moon and back we need people to see how he handles tough debates this just proves how light the debates have been for him, he is so pissed it shows! I hope people saw this clip on cnn or msnbc.

  166. Barack Obama’s overwhelming support among young Americans has been a media truism throughout the entire primary season. So we couldn’t help but let out a perplexed “Say whaa?” when we opened today’s Daily Pennsylvanian — the student newspaper at the University of Pennsylvania — and saw an official endorsement of Hillary Clinton. Philly Grill grabbed the DP’s executive editor, David Lei, for a quick chat to find out what he and his staff were thinking. — Stephanie Twining

    We have to say we’re pretty surprised by your pick.
    We gotten quite a bit of that reaction. I’d offer two sets of comments on our website as an example. All week we’ve run a series on our editorial page that solicited each of the three major candidates for guest columns, and Senator Obama’s was yesterday. Someone actually remarked, “I’m pretty concerned that the opinion board’s just going to jump on the Obama bandwagon.” And that same person posted a comment today saying, “I’m shocked that you guys have not.”

    How was the decision made?
    We invited representatives from each of the three campaigns to come in and speak with us about why we should endorse their candidate. A number of Penn for Hillary and Penn for Obama people came — we didn’t have anyone from Penn for McCain come — and each got about 30 minutes to make their pitch and for us to ask questions. Afterwards we had a discussion, and anyone on staff was invited to come participate in that discussion. But after the discussion we had a closed-door deliberation and vote. And I can tell you that it was tough. It was quite tough.

    How so?
    It was a tough discussion, and it was close. As we indicated in the editorial, we’re kind of torn in some ways between our hearts and our minds. A lot of us felt that we would love to be involved in Senator Obama’s movement, and there’s a great feeling attached to what he offers and the message of his campaign. But college students also care about policy issues, and whether or not policies can actually be carried out. We felt that Senator Clinton was by far the better candidate in that regard.

    Obama has had overwhelming support from younger voters. Are you going to lose some Facebook friends over this?
    [Laughs] Right. I certainly hope I don’t lose any Facebook friends. It’s true, and that is something we took into consideration. We think the way he’s inspired youths to turn out and participate in the political process is really impressive, actually. So that is another reason why is was such a tough decision. On campus, you’re probably right. We’ve done an opinion research survey — though that was a couple of months ago — and many more students do support Obama.

    What response have you gotten from fellow students?
    We’re still waiting to gauge exactly the response from students specifically, because obviously the comments on the website aren’t necessarily a great indication of that. But I think a lot of students respect our decision, because we’re basically taking what seems to be the unpopular position. We’re not the New York Times or the Philadelphia Inquirer, but I think maybe we have changed a handful of people’s minds.

    There’s general consensus that Clinton came out as the winner in last night’s debate. Are you guys just fair-weather fans?
    We actually made a decision before the debate, so we came out of that meeting and as the debate was going on, we were kind of nervously wondering whether or not it would completely invalidate what we would say. But it didn’t actually.

  167. Wow, I don’t want to be mean, but it honestly feels REALLY NICE to not be gnashing my teeth in frustration today. And I am getting a kind of sick pleasure out of knowing the ‘bots are having a bad, depressing day. I feel bad saying that, but it’s true. I have no sympathy for them at all. Just like I had no sympathy for Obama last night. I don’t wish him humiliation and ruin, but I honestly don’t have any sympathy for him anymore.


  168. I wouldn’t send that video out. He wants people to see it. That was written out for him. He’s trying to raise her negatives. It’s an Axelrod special.

  169. limabeans – we’ve been suffering from Media Oppression & Bias day in and day out. I’m so glad the obamabrats are having a meltdown.

    MJ – agreed. Mr. Axelrod never runs out of things to pull out of his magic bag – I’m very sure that this is the next tactic – we saw it in the last trumped up poll – they are going to find ways manufacture her negatives as high as possible – probably get Zogby to skew the polling by calling Obamabots only. It’s another bamboozle trick, more smoke and mirrors. I wish this guy would just stop.

  170. lninla,

    one good thing of last night debate is that reporters can vet him without afraid of being called racist from now on.

  171. that video is already posted on fox news!!! :D……..comment section follows 😀

    h t t p / /

  172. What Pennsylvania Voters Are Saying
    By David S. Broder
    Thursday, April 17, 2008; A23

    UPPER DUBLIN, Pa. — For 40 of his 65 years, ever since he first registered, Martin Greenblatt has been voting Republican in this Philadelphia suburb. Through much of the past winter, the retired teacher considered himself a supporter of Rudy Giuliani. But when the former New York mayor quit the race without a single primary victory, Greenblatt made a radical decision.

    He reregistered as a Democrat so he could vote for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama in next Tuesday’s primary. His vote will be counted along with thousands of others to be cast in the Philadelphia suburbs, traditionally the votes that anoint the winner in Pennsylvania contests.

    In a day of interviewing outside the library in this Montgomery County community just before yesterday’s Democratic debate in Philadelphia, Greenblatt’s story was one of many describing the strange journeys that voters have taken to their current positions — and the disquiet some of them feel about the votes they are about to cast.

    While Clinton had more support in these interviews than Obama (or Republican John McCain), it is obvious that all the campaign time the candidates have lavished on Pennsylvania since Ohio and Texas voted for Clinton and McCain on March 4 has fueled more doubts than enthusiasm.

    Greenblatt is typical. Asked about McCain, this longtime Republican said, “I don’t like his [Iraq] war policy. I supported the war at the beginning, but I’m increasingly disillusioned with it. McCain just seems to want to keep it going.”

    Obama has little appeal to Greenblatt. “He hasn’t had the experience,” Greenblatt said, a sentiment I heard many times from other voters. “Two years in the Senate, and one of them he spent running for president. And I’m not happy with Reverend [Jeremiah] Wright,” Obama’s controversial former pastor.

    Clinton fares better with Greenblatt. “She is a tough lady,” he said. “Lots of experience. And she’s built a good team.” Still, he said that “she is not the best candidate we could have, just the best available.”

    Another Democratic voter, Ellen Sharm, 49, of Fort Washington, is unequivocally opposed to Clinton, because “my father hated Bill Clinton and he hated her.”

    Sharm herself is equivocal about Obama and McCain, and she said she is “halfway between” their opposing views on Iraq — with Obama urging an immediate start on a pullout and McCain saying the United States should remain there in force until Iraq is stable. Sharm described her own position on the war as “wishy-washy” and, while her disqualification of Clinton “out of respect for my father” dictates a vote for Obama in the primary, she said “if it’s Obama versus McCain, I’ll have to consider” what to do in November.

    Obama has made some gains among these voters, with one crediting the Illinois senator’s ads the past two weeks for a shift from a certain-for-Clinton ballot to undecided. But many others said they remain uncertain about Obama’s specific policies and skeptical about his short résumé.

    But none of that deters the youngest voter in our sample, 26-year-old stage manager Francis Sapienza of Fort Washington. “It’s Obama for sure,” he said. “It may be idealistic, but I really like his emphasis on change.”

    As for McCain, some Republicans’ comments reflected doubts among conservatives about his policy views.

    Harry Duerr of Ambler, a 66-year-old retired municipal employee, said he is disillusioned with the spending habits of Republicans in Congress and sees President Bush as “ignorant,” so he will cast a protest vote for libertarian-minded Rep. Ron Paul in the primary. In November, he said, “I’ll vote for McCain,” because “the Democrats are too far left.”

    Another retiree, 76-year-old Frank McMahon of Upper Dublin, has doubts about McCain, in part because of his age, but said he probably will vote for him in November if he picks someone like Mitt Romney as his running mate — a younger and more conventional conservative.

    Kathleen Birchler of Dresham, a retired office worker in an electronics plant, clings to her Republican identity even though she “can’t stand” either Bush or Vice President Cheney. She has ruled out Obama, in part because he professed to be unaware of Wright’s political views despite 20 years of attending his services.

    But she — along with many Democrats — wishes “McCain weren’t so strong for the war,” and so she might vote for Clinton if she were to win the nomination.

    Anyone who thinks most of these voters are settled in their choices does not hear what they’re saying.

  173. carbynew – that is fascinating article. party’s are changing like musical chairs. what interesting time we live in now.

  174. Right now on in Central Fl, this is syndicated.

    Black lady just called in :

    -why do you spend most of your time attacking Obama
    – you are the terrorists on the radio
    -you and your white friends just don’t want to see a Black man as president
    -well one day, we will have a Black man in the White house and you will just have to deal with it
    -why are you spending time attacking Obama, we want to hear about the issues.

    Schnitt- I’m not attacking him because he is a Black man
    -attacking him for because he is unqualified
    -his paster, his relationships etc has to be vetted
    -Hillary Clinton on this program for the last 7yrs have been vetted
    -I’m ready for a Black president, a Black female president, I like Powerll, Condoleeza Rice, JC watss, u are trying to turn this into a race riot on my show and I’m not going to let you do it
    -did she hang up? I want you to come back at me, this has nothing to do with harrassing a Black man! Did she hang up!

    He is pissed and screaming right now!

    -This has nothing to do with him being Black, I want him investigated. he is running for the highest office in the land.

    -U know what, you are a racist. I spent the last year hammering CLinton and Mccain , shut the heck up and quit complaining.

    **The scary thing for me is that the MSM has so coddled Obama, that anyone criticizing him now are perceived as racist. His canidacy will set race relations back, I can just see it now.

  175. # mj Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    djia, again, that was the plan. They want the video out there. Can’t you see that?


    Please don’t assume i don’t know what’s going on…..far from it

    I just happen to think the more “evidence” of his arrogance and hypocrisies are visualized the more he show’s he IS NOT ANYTHING NEW the more people will quit thinking of him as the next best thing to ice cream …this video will open the curtain more and more…….the thing is Mj…….I always look at things with optimisim and work it to my advantage….I don’t “panick much

  176. The article is a snapshot of one of the suburbs around Philadelphia that Hillary will need to win. It’s a wake up call for us to not take anything for granted.

    I do think people are thinking about the campaign and I do think Hillary is very strong in PA but more work is needed as the electorate is still very fluid.

    Remember yesterday debate was equal, tough, fair and balance…Obambi is whinning all over they place and I know Hillary won because the MSM is kind of sudued in it’s coverage of the debate. Obama looked WEAK and he EVADED important questions.

    I also don’t get the feeling that Obama is going to get 85-90% of the AA vote this time. It just a feeling.

    Keep pounding Obama’s economic plan to double the capital gains tax and raise payroll taxes…this is a killer for the dems in November. This will really hurt small businesses and the middle class.

  177. nixon strategist goes to work for bambi to destroy hillary! hmm-who isnt a real dem?
    April 17, 2008
    Posted: 03:40 PM ET
    Wiliam Ruckelshaus endorsed Obama Thursday.

    (CNN) — From the politics/strange bedfellows file: Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has won an endorsement from Republican and former Nixon Watergate figure William D. Ruckelshaus.

    Ruckelshaus was serving as deputy attorney general in 1973 when he made history as part of the infamous Saturday Night Massacre. He and his boss, Attorney General Elliot Richardson, were fired after they refused Nixon’s order to dismiss the independent counsel investigating the Watergate break-ins.

    The former Nixon FBI director and secretary of the Environmental Protection Agency hopes to help Obama defeat Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton in the May 6 primary in Ruckelshaus’ homestate of Indiana. The state has been a longtime Republican stronghold in presidential politics.

    “Senator Obama’s ability to attract not only Democrats, but also Republicans and Independents, makes him uniquely qualified to build the broad coalitions needed to address our nation’s challenges,” said Ruckelshaus in a statement.

    Obama leads Clinton in Indiana 40 percent to 35 percent, with a 25 percent of respondents saying they’re unsure who they’ll vote for, according to a Los Angeles Times poll conducted April 10-14. The poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

    The Obama campaign said it was embracing the endorsement because of Ruckelshaus’ “understanding of the importance of transparency,” which he gained during the tumultuous years of the Nixon administration, said Obama spokesman Kevin Griffis. Ruckelshaus remains a known and respected name in Indiana, which may draw independent voters to Obama, Griffis said.

  178. B Merryfield, I think that your blog gets a mention here:

    Here is the link if you want to post it: h t t p : // rs_ob.html

    April 17, 2008

    Finally, the Media ‘Discovers’ Obama-Ayers Relationship
    Rick Moran
    It is a major story in the New York Times, Politico, the New York Post, and the left wing Guardian in Great Britain. It is the most curious of all Barack Obama’s problematic relationships and calls into question not only his judgement but the core of his politics.

    The story is about William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn – two members of the radical 1960’s terrorist group the Weather Underground – and the fact that the possible next president of the United States is on a first name basis with a self-confessed bomber of the Pentagon who not only has no regrets for his terrorist action but wishes he could do it all over again.

    Larry Rohter and Michael Luo of the New York Times:

    On March 6, 1970, a bomb explosion destroyed a Greenwich Village town house, killing three members of the radical Weather Underground and driving other members of the group even deeper into hiding.

    On Wednesday night, those events emerged as the focus of a sharp exchange between Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama at their debate in Philadelphia. Mr. Obama was asked by a moderator, George Stephanopoulos of ABC News, about his relationship with Bill Ayers, a former Weather Underground leader who is now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

    In the early 1970s, the Weathermen, who took their name from a line in a Bob Dylan song, claimed responsibility for bombing the Capitol, the Pentagon, the State Department Building and banks, courthouses and police stations.

    Charges against Ayers and Dohrn were dropped because of the Feds spyed on the duo illegally. But the question absolutely must be asked just what was Obama doing having anything at all to do with this man:

    Mr. Ayers is listed as a member of the nine-member board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an offshoot of the Woods Charitable Fund, founded in 1941 by a prominent lawyer and telephone company executive. According to the fund’s Web site, it has focused in recent years on “issues that affected the area’s least advantaged, including welfare reform, affordable housing” and “tax policy as a tool in reducing poverty.”

    For a time, Mr. Obama was on the board with Mr. Ayers, though he no longer has a formal association with the group. At the debate, he described Mr. Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” but “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” Mr. Obama said he was being unjustly linked to “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old.”

    What would any other politician have done when he or she discovered that a terrorist was sitting on the same board as them? Wouldn’t just about anyone else have said “no thank you” to such an invitation?

    There’s more to this relationship than Ayers simply being a “guy who lives in my nieghborhood.” The two were introduced back in 1995 when Obama was presented by outgoing state senator Alice Palmer to Ayers and other far left activists in the University Chicago neighborhood of Hyde Park at Ayers house according to this story by Ben Smith in Politico. And RezkoWatch reports on 2 other forums where we know Obama and Ayers participated:

    Wondering whether the three may have crossed paths is not speculation. It is a fact that they have. Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama have appeared together at a number of gatherings and academic events. In November 1997, Ayers and Obama participated in a panel at the University of Chicago entitled Should a child ever be called a “super predator?” to debate “the merits of the juvenile justice system”.

    In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois State Senator, participated together at a conference entitled “Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?” sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis” panel.

    This information along with the fact that Obama served with Ayers on the Board of the Woods Foundation, gives the lie to Obama’s claim that he doesn’t know Ayers very well. And both of those forums at U of C were set up by none other than Michelle Obama in her capacity as University of Chcago PR executive; eviidently she too saw nothing wrong in glad handing with terrorists.

    It is beyond belief that the press is just now getting around to this, the most incredible of all Obama radical associations. And the scary thought is that it will change few minds about Obama and his hypocritical brand of “new

  179. tiburones,
    He already HAS set race relations back, if I’m at all ‘typical.” What I mean is, as someone who worked and performed with musicians from all races, all parts of the country, and then worked with thousands of mostly AA and Hispanic kids, with colleagues who were at least 50% AA, and never having had any problems other than the usual kid-adult and co-worker-interpersonal, non-racial problems, I can tell you in all honesty there have been moments in the past 3 months when I have been relieved I no longer work or live in an ethnically diverse urban area. I have been so disgusted by the innuendo, the race-baiting, the indignity of having anything a non-AA said being called racist, in the same way Pennsylvanians feel insulted about being trashed for their traditions, that I have no motivation anymore to make the slightest effort. I don’t have to prove a d@mn thing. I spent my entire life making ‘change,’ positive ‘change’ between groups, and to now be labeled as anything but, or to feel stifled and censored by the very people I was working to help, infuriates me. I confess I did get right up to the edge a couple of weeks back, but fortunately for me, there have been so many wise, intelligent, compassionate insightful AA’s on this forum it has pulled me back from the brink of a step I never imagined I could be close to taking.

    What I’m trying (very badly) to say, is that if I have been so affected, I have to suspect that those who have not been exposed to different cultures must be even more turned off. I’ve regained my bearings, and I wasn’t proud of my reactions, and I’m glad to say I’ve overcome them, but it is not going to be easy for a lot of people to forget what Ozomba and his crew have done.

  180. texan 4 Hillary: some “new” politics. Didn’t someone call Clinton’s techniques “Nixonian?” Sounds like BO’s campaign is recycling some old politics. Once again, his campaign exhibits their hypocrisy.

  181. Fisking Barack Obama
    Deconstructing Wednesday night’s debate.
    By Peter Wehner

    1. Senator Barack Obama’s strongest defenders, led by Andrew Sullivan, were furious at the questioning directed at Senator Obama by two of the best in the news business: ABC’s Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos. In Sullivan’s words:

    The loser was ABC News: one of the worst media performances I can remember — petty, shallow, process-obsessed, trivial where substantive, and utterly divorced from the actual issues that Americans want to talk about.

    What really irritated Sullivan is that the early part of the debate focused on issues like Obama’s former pastor Jeremiah Wright Jr., Obama’s association with a former leader of the radical and violent group the Weather Underground, his reluctance to wear an American flag pin on his lapel, and his comments in San Francisco about how middle-class voters are “bitter” and frustrated and “cling” to guns, religion, and xenophobia.

    3. On the matter of capital-gains taxes, ABC’s Gibson pointed out that in the past, when the rate dropped, revenues increased. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased, revenues went down. “So why raise it at all,” Gibson asked Obama, “especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?”

    Sen. Obama’s response was, “I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.” Obama assures us that he wants “businesses to thrive and I want people to be rewarded for their success.” But he also wants to “make sure … that our tax system is fair and that we are able to finance health care for Americans who currently don’t have it and that we’re able to invest in our infrastructure and invest in our schools.” But back to the empirical evidence: when capital-gains taxes are cut, the private economy expands. So if lowering the capital gains tax led to a stronger economy and higher revenues, Obama presumably would still oppose it on grounds of “fairness” (a concept that doesn’t help you determine what the precise tax rate ought to be). This demonstrates the depth of Obama’s animus toward the corporate world, which is the engine of prosperity for America.
    I’m so glad Andrew Sullivan is pissed off…thank you ABC you’ve made my day treating Obama just like every other candidate.

  182. Retired generals stump for Clinton in South Bend
    By JAMIE LOO, Tribune Staff Writer
    Senator Hillary Clinton tours AM General’s Hummer plant during a visit to Mishawaka Saturday, April 12, 2008. (WSBT Photo)

    By Beth Boehne

    SOUTH BEND — Two retired generals met with local veterans Thursday to urge them to back presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton.

    The visit was part of several stops in Indiana for the generals, who are among more than 35 flag-rank officers serving as senior members on Clinton’s military steering committee.

    During the visit, Foote met with veterans to encourage them to learn about all of the candidates and to let them know why she supports Clinton. Foote said Clinton has the best plan for ending the war in Iraq and for providing educational and healthcare benefits for the veterans when they return.

    “Our image in the world has been greatly distorted over the past 8 years,” Foote said. “She (Clinton) is very interested in building bridges of diplomacy so that the nations of the world will come together and work together to prevent terrorists and wars such as the ones we’re seeing in the Middle East and Africa.”

    The war, economy and health care issues “speak to the heart,” Foote said. Clinton’s long history of service and experience, and the solutions she offers make her more than qualified, Foote said.

    “I think she has every qualification in the world to be commander in chief of the armed forces as well as the leader of our nation in all areas of national security,” Foote said.

    Patricia Deka, who served with the Women’s Army Corps during Vietnam, said it was an honor to meet a woman general. Deka said she supports Clinton and likes her idea for withdrawal from Iraq, and plans to focus back on Afghanistan.

    Her husband, Glenn Deka, said he isn’t sure who he is supporting yet. Mr. Deka said he agrees with Obama that “lobbyists shouldn’t run the government.” Deka said he hasn’t heard as strong of a commitment from Clinton on that issue.

    Both said they’re frustrated that the media is focusing more on soundbytes and isn’t giving the public more information on the issues and solutions all three candidates stand for. The Dekas have a son who is currently serving his fifth tour of duty in Afghanistan.

    “I’m trusting Hillary to bring my son home safely and with honor,” Patricia Deka said.

  183. Clinton’s mother and daughter help in effort to win back women to her campaign
    By NEDRA PICKLER , Associated Press

    April 17, 2008

    HAVERFORD, Penn. – Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton stood between her 88-year-old mother and 28-year-old daughter on Thursday to personalize issues for the “sandwich generation” facing the demands of parents and children.

    In renewing a push for the female voters who have drifted away from her campaign in recent weeks, the New York senator said the three generations of women in her family give her “firsthand experience of all the challenges and changes that we face in our lives because different stages of life do present different questions.”

    Clinton pointed out that her mother, Dorothy Rodham, lives with her “and always has a lot of great ideas about what we need to be doing,” a point that drew chuckles from the audience of women of all ages.

    Dorothy Rodham didn’t speak during the event at Haverford College, but her granddaughter introduced the candidate. Chelsea Clinton revealed that she’s “someone who’s thinking about having my own family in the not-too-distant future, something that will make my mother and grandmother infinitely happy.”

    She didn’t mention that she’s dating Marc Mezvinsky, whose mother, Marjorie Margolies Mezvinsky, was a congresswoman from Pennsylvania.

    Chelsea Clinton also said she wants the “kids that I hope to have” to have quality public schools, attend college and live in a safe and secure environment. “My children don’t only need to have a good grandmother but need a strong leader,” she said.

    With five days left before Pennsylvania’s highly anticipated primary, Clinton’s campaign tried to keep the event intimate by staging it in a smaller venue. The audience received her warmly with frequent chuckles and applause, and she encouraged people to recruit their neighbors’ support for her bid.

    “Just knock on the door and say, ‘You know, she’s really nice,'” Hillary Clinton said to laughter. “Or you can say it another way: ‘She’s not as bad as you think.'”

    A recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll shows women are no longer so overwhelmingly convinced that Clinton would make the best president. Clinton owes many of her victories so far in the race to support from women, but that backing has receded in recent weeks to about even with rival Barack Obama.

    Clinton had 44 percent of Democratic women to Obama’s 42 in the poll taken April 7-9. In February, Clinton had 51 percent to 38 percent were to Obama.

    Standing in front of a fireplace, Clinton talked about how women’s workplace experiences have changed over the years. She confessed to being addicted to advice columns, and talked about one that said a woman shouldn’t put pictures of her family in her office because it will appear that she can’t keep their mind on her work. She decried columns that used to suggest women wear “navy blue skirt suits with white blouses and ribbons tied in a bow at your neck.”

    “Don’t even look — it’s so embarrassing to think we ever wore anything like that,” she said to laughter. “I think that we have seen an evolution in a lot of the obvious ways, but we’re still not making work and family balance as easy as it should be.”

    She said women have a hard time finding quality child care and affording time off to care for aging parents while being paid 77 cents for every dollar that men earn. She noted that April 22, the day of the Pennsylvania primary, is Equal Pay Day — the day in a year that marks the point at which a woman’s average wages catch up to that earned by a man the previous year.

  184. Fox calling Obama a whinner and defending ABC. Saying this was the first debate since Wright and Bittergate first came to light and these same critics of ABC would have been critical if they had not brought those issues up.

  185. WaPo, noting that Obama had better get used to “real” questions and live bullets, real quick:

    By Dan Balz
    PHILADELPHIA — Barack Obama got the first real glimpse here Tuesday night of what he will face if he becomes the Democratic presidential nominee. Between now and November, the most important question he will be forced to answer is: Who is Barack Obama?

    That was the subtext of the relentless questioning he faced at the National Constitution Center here on Tuesday. For the first half of the debate, ABC’s Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos threw one question after another at Obama that all shared the same underlying themes: what are your values and what do you believe?

    This was the first debate in which Obama felt the real heat that comes with being the front-runner for the Democratic nomination — and it was an uncomfortable, though not necessarily politically damaging, evening for the senator from Illinois.

    Because of who she is, Hillary Clinton long has been treated as the leading candidate in the battle for the Democratic nomination. Even after she slipped well behind Obama in pledged delegates, even after his February winning streak, even after her path to victory had almost disappeared, Clinton still often found herself under the microscope, asked to explain and clarify and justify her positions and her campaign tactics.

    On Tuesday it was Obama’s turn. How does he explain his long association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and did he deliberately look away when he heard things that were truly offensive? What did he really mean by his comments at that fundraiser in San Francisco, where he was no doubt enveloped in a cocoon of liberal supporters? What was his relationship with William Ayers, once a member of the radical Weather Underground?

    There was so much to deal with that the name Tony Rezko, Obama’s longtime friend and fundraiser — who is now on trial on corruption charges — was not even mentioned.

    Some viewers took umbrage at the questions. After all, it took 45 minutes or more to get to real policy, which is where the discussion remained for the rest of the night. But after 20 previous debates, Obama and Clinton had plowed through much, though not all, of the policy ground they were asked to return to on Tuesday. What had not taken place was a prime-time airing of questions that some voters may have about Obama — and that his Republican opponents sense will be the keys to winning or losing in November.

    Obama is the least known of the three remaining candidates. Hillary Clinton has been on the public stage for two decades, John McCain even longer. They bear scars from that exposure, particularly Clinton. The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll underscored how damaging even this campaign has been to her. A majority of Americans do not think she is honest or trustworthy; a majority now have an unfavorable impression of her.

    Obama is not in that situation. His campaign for president has been extraordinary in many respects. For the most part, he has handled the adversities that have come his way, whether from his own missteps or the barbs of his opponents. And yet, it is clear that his biggest challenge going forward will be to make the country fully comfortable with who he is, where he has come from and what he believes.

    The campaign has begun to take a toll on him, as first the Rev. Wright controversy erupted and, more recently, his comments about small town values came to dominate the political dialogue. Neither appears at this stage to have damaged him significantly in his bid for the nomination. He remains on a slow grind toward that prize.

    But the signs of doubt and disillusionment from a wider audience have been growing. Some prominent conservative thinkers, people initially drawn to Obama’s inspirational message of hope and unity, have taken a second look and come away with serious reservations about him. Republican strategists, who long have credited him with running an impressive campaign, now see vulnerabilities that were not evident early on.

    Democratic pollster Peter Hart long has said that Obama must yet cross a threshold with the voters before he can be elected president. That threshold is more than whether he is ready to be president, whether he can be a credible commander in chief. Instead it to give people a sense of confidence that he is someone with whom they feel comfortable, that he shares with them a life story and a set of values they expect of their president.

    Obama repeated Tuesday night what he has often said on the campaign trail, that his is a story that could only have happened in America. Born to a biracial couple, raised by a single mother without much money, given the opportunity to attend prestigious universities and succeeding in that competitive environment, then working his way up from community organizer to the first African American with a genuine chance to become president. That is the uplifting side of his candidacy, the stuff of story books.

    But his also is an unusual story, as befits someone who was born of a father from Kenya, who lived in Indonesia as a child, who grappled with his own racial identity, who worked on the streets of Chicago’s South Side and who now, after only a few years in the Senate, seeks to occupy the most powerful office in the world.

    Some of this is clearly frustrating to Obama. First he was not black enough, now because of Rev. Wright he is accused of being too black. He and his mother struggled on limited means and now he is accused of being an elitist. Even more frustrating are the outright falsehoods that have trailed him throughout the campaign.

    He has been running now for almost 15 months. His positions on Iraq, health care and the economy have been laid out and, if not dissected fully by the voters, at least discussed at considerable length. But winning the presidency requires meeting other tests and Tuesday’s debate offered a preview of what is to come if Obama wins the Democratic nomination.

    This is by no means an insurmountable test for Obama — nor is it unfair of the media or his opponents to put him through this. Obama has reached a point in the campaign where he can almost touch the nomination. The presidency itself remains farther out in the distance, and reachable only if he successfully cross additional hurdles. That’s what made the Philadelphia debate important.

  186. You know what, I would really prefer if the news were about the great policy points Hillary made. She’s not getting any credit.

  187. Obama’s income soars with presidential bid
    The Democratic candidate and his wife earned $4.2 million last year — four times as much as they had in 2006 — mainly from his book sales.
    From the Chicago Tribune
    April 17, 2008

    CHICAGO — Campaigning for president has been very good for Sen. Barack Obama’s pocketbook, with his household income jumping from $991,296 in 2006 to $4.2 million in 2007, tax records show.

    The Illinois Democrat had a net profit from book sales of $3.9 million, according to a copy of a 2007 tax return released Wednesday by Obama and his wife, Michelle. That total includes $169,706 in foreign income from overseas sales of his two best-selling books.

    The Obamas’ salaries totaled $260,735, which included his $157,102 salary as a U.S. senator and her part-time salary of $103,633 as a vice president at the University of Chicago Medical Center.

    The couple paid nearly $1.4 million in federal taxes last year, and made $240,370 in charitable contributions. Their largest gifts were to the United Negro College Fund ($50,000), the international relief organization CARE ($35,000) and Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago ($26,270).

    In late March, the Obamas posted their 2000 through 2006 tax returns on the Internet, as a way to prompt his challenger for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to release tax documents from her post-White House years, something she did this month. Her records showed she and her husband, former President Clinton, had earned $109 million since 2000.

    The Obamas contributed $6 in 2007 to the federal fund that provides public financing for presidential campaigns in exchange for limits on spending.

    Obama, however, said last week that he remains uncertain whether he will participate in the program should he win his party’s nomination. He signed a pledge last year that he would do so if the Republican nominee did as well.

    Clinton’s campaign called Wednesday for Obama to also release his 1997, 1998 and 1999 returns. Though he has not widely distributed them, his 1998 and 1999 returns were previously provided to the Chicago Tribune.

  188. WTH? I’d like to hear something from the press about Hillary on the issues. This is just same ole same ole. I heard they were accusing her of “teaming up” with McCain on CNN. I am so sick of this.

  189. Obama is an insulting elitist
    April 17, 2008

    Barack Obama can be a stimulating speaker, but the old saying, “What have you done for me lately?” comes to mind. He and his wife have not shown a notable interest in giving to charity until last year, when his presidential bid began.

    When I was a single waitress, I gave a greater percentage of my income to charity.

    Hillary Clinton has always been very generous to charities. She not only talks the talk.

    His tone lately has not only been elitist, but insulting. When Hillary stuck up for the hard-working Pennsylvanians that Barack insulted, he said she thought she was Annie Oakley, I find that insulting.

    As a former undecided, I feel Barack Obama has pushed me solidly into Hillary’s camp.

    Ann B. Laudenschlager,0,3895562,print.story

  190. We need some help in Oklahoma, folks. One of our SD’s, Reggie Witten went to the dark side. Our other SD’s are presently uncommitted but Reggie tends to lead them by the nose.

    We have 7 unpledged delegates remaining: Jim Frasier, Ivan Holmes, Kalyn Free, Jay Parmley, Sen. Mike Morgan, Congr.Dan Boren, Gov. Brad Henry.

    It is time for each of you to briefly write and ask that they remain unpledged until all primaries have concluded! (That is not too much to ask!) Please, do this today! The superdelegates WILL decide who is our nominee. It is only honorable that they wait until all voters in all primaries cast their votes to make their decisions.

    Hillary needs us to do this for her NOW!


    “Jim Frasier”

    “Kalyn Free”

    “Dr. Ivan Holmes”

    “Sen. Mike Morgan”

    “Jay Parmley”

    Gov. Brad Henry

    Dan Boren


  191. Minor point of interest: George Stephanopoulos was given the William Ayers question by Sean Hannity. I’ve heard George is under attack from the Obama campaign for using it. Hannity played back a segment of one of his recent shows where he was providing all the info to George. To coin a phrase, “politics makes strange bedfellows.”

  192. The choice was ‘very clear’ for Nutter

    PHILADELPHIA — This city’s mayor, Michael Nutter, has been in office just a little more than 100 days and he hasn’t even had time to hang pictures on the wall of his large, though not grandiose, office yet.

    He has been a little busy, what with passing five new gun laws — which the local district attorney says are unconstitutional and she will not enforce — getting the police to “stop, question and frisk” anyone suspected of carrying an illegal weapon on the streets, and, oh, yeah, trying to get Hillary Clinton elected president.

    Nutter, an African-American, endorsed Clinton last December. Nutter had unexpectedly won the Democratic primary for mayor the previous May, getting 37 percent of the vote in a five-person field.

    Barack Obama had endorsed one of Nutter’s opponents in that primary, U.S. Rep. Chaka Fattah, who had looked like he had a pretty good chance of winning early on, but ended up coming in fourth.

    “Fattah gave off the impression that he was doing people a favor by being willing to leave Washington to run Philadelphia,” a local political sage told me. “It didn’t play well.”

    Nutter, on the other hand, campaigned hard, going into the subway stations early in the mornings and handing out “Nutter Butter” cookies, a somewhat odd choice for a man who carefully watches his diet and health, eating no meat, drinking no caffeine and smoking no cigarettes.

    In the general election the former city councilman, 50, won a historic 86 percent of the vote in this heavily Democratic city and his presidential endorsement was sought fervidly by both Clinton and Obama.

    “I talked to both personally. Both senators called me; I met with both privately and I talked to both on the phone a couple of times,” Nutter told me. “I was getting to know them and it was a quite unique experience.”

    In the end, however, Nutter said the choice was “very clear.”

    “Sen. Clinton clearly was the best candidate for cities like Philadelphia,” Nutter said. “She understands the issues that challenge cities and metropolitan areas all across this country.”

    Nutter mentioned Clinton’s understanding of issues like crime — Philadelphia had a shocking 406 homicides in 2007, the highest murder rate of any large city in the nation — public education, jobs and mass transit.

    “When you have a conversation with her, you know she understands and she knows what she’s talking about,” Nutter said. “She will match up well with John McCain in the fall.”

    Philadelphia was about 45 percent white and 43 percent black in the last census and I asked Nutter how much grief he has gotten from Philadelphia’s black community for not endorsing Obama.

    “Very little,” he said. “I am not being sarcastic about it, but it actually only comes up in interviews.”

    And the fact that Obama endorsed one of your primary opponents had nothing to do with your decision not to endorse him for president?

    “I am not saying your question is silly, but the idea is silly that I would base such an important decision on something like that,” Nutter said. “This is America. You can support whomever you want to support. And that’s what I am doing.”

    He went on: “And the people of Philadelphia understand that even the mayor gets to make his own choice and selection for who gets to be president. My decision was who would be best for the city as a whole. I now have a responsibility for all one and a half million people here: black, white, Latino, Asian and all different colors under the rainbow.”

    Not that Nutter isn’t hedging his bet just slightly. Clinton is leading in the polls in Pennsylvania, but most analysts consider Obama the front-runner for the nomination.

    “We’re all good Democrats and at some time point in time we are going to have a Democratic nominee,” Nutter said. “If, some how, some way, it’s going to be Sen. Obama, then I am going to be supporting our Democratic nominee to make him president of the United States.”

    Until that time, however, Nutter is going all out for Clinton. “I only know how to engage in campaigns one way,” he said. “It’s 100 percent effort, it’s how I campaigned for myself and when I endorse someone they get the same level of effort.”

    And when it’s all over?

    “I’m thinking that when it’s over,” Nutter said, “I might have to seek some kind of therapy.”

    Him and everybody else.

  193. Hi Guys-
    Just curious to see how the Kossacks were bandaging their wounds–
    they have the new video “spin” from Obama’s stump speech in NC today. Apparently, he has accomplished the “pivot” of turning a humiliating performance into a ‘positive’ “I don’t play the game of ‘old style politics”
    Take a look:

    If the ability to spin is any indication–maybe he is the Black Bush…after all, according to Bush we’re still winning in Iraq, right?? LOL

  194. More reasons to love Bill Clinton:

    ABC News’ Sarah Amos Reports: Former President Bill Clinton says he didn’t see his wife “whining” when she’s taken some tough political shots on the presidential campaign trail.

    “When I watched that debate last night, I got kinda tickled,” the former President said at an American Legion Hall event in St. Mary’s, Pennsylvania, “After the [debate], her opponents’, oh, the people working were saying, ‘Oh this is so negative, why are they doing this.’ Well they’ve been beatin’ up on her for 15 months. I didn’t hear her whining when he said she was untruthful in Iowa or called her the senator from Punjab.”

    “And, you know, they said some pretty rough things about me, too. But you know, this is a contact sport. If you don’t want to play, keep your uniform off,” Clinton told a loudly cheering crowd.

    Clinton was in high spirits on Thursday morning, the day after Sens. Clinton and Obama met for the 22nd time on a debate stage.

    “I don’t know if you saw that debate last night, but I did, and I thought she was great. She was great because she showed the strength and leadership and knowledge of the issues that is very important to the next president,” Clinton effused to his first crowd of the day in Erie, Pennsylvania.

    Obama, meanwhile, tried to brush off any criticism that his debate performance was below par.

    During a town hall in Raleigh, Obama said his Democratic nomination rival “looked in her element” in Philadelphia.

    “She was taking every opportunity to get a dig in there, that’s her right to kind of twist the knife a little bit,” Obama said.

    Obama said that the debate was a preview of how the Republicans will attack him if he were the nominee.

    “That was the roll out of the Republican’s campaign against me in November. It happened just a little early,” Obama said.

  195. Hillary campaigning in Philly. In a little while she will be attending a Block Party in Northeast Philly. That is right Hill keep it close in Phila and win PA really big…..

  196. It’s way past the time to call this guy out for being the incredibly over-sensitive fruitcake (not that there’s anything wrong with that.) that he is.

    He has received an unprecedented free ride from the media in this country and complains non-stop (btw, does anyone have Axelrod’s remarks?) when heaven forbid he’s asked a few tough pertinent questions.

    Then I just saw him on CNN joking like he’s brushing it off, all while complaining yet again. Unreal.

  197. tune into hannity tonight…… said hannity will be revealing more about Ayers and Obama’s relationship that we haven’t heard yet !! 😀

    all day fox has talked about BO waaaa waaaaa and has been said many times by many that he better get used to it as it has only begun and will continue now until the GE

  198. chelsea and hillary’s mother were with her today at the college

    the house was loaded as well as huge crowd outside that couldn’t fit in … was a great day for our girl 😀

  199. Just saw on comdey central blog, that since Obama says he will not debate Hillary next week that CBS should invite John McCain. Now wouldn’t that put Barry in his place, Hillary whooping McCain’s ass showing the SD’s who really has the beat chance of winning in November.

  200. I’m furious that Barry has the temerity to complain about rough politics and to say that he’s promoting some new kind of politics when he engages in exactly the same negative tactics. I mean it’s Axelrod running his campaign! The sneakiest of the sneakiest dirty campaigners!

  201. via CNN

    all three of the White House hopefuls sat down for a one-on-one meeting Thursday with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown as he visited Washington.

    Brown, on his second trip to the United States since replacing Tony Blair last year, held private 45-minute sessions with each candidate at the British Embassy.

    Clinton and the British leader discussed a wide range of issues, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and global warming, according to Senate aides.

    Obama said he and Brown talked about strengthening the U.S.-British alliance, and “common challenges” such as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, instability in the global economy and support for democracy and prosperity in Africa.

  202. WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday suggested he doesn’t see any point in having another debate with Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton.

    Clinton has agreed to a debate next week, but Obama has not yet accepted the invitation.
    At an appearance in Raleigh, North Carolina, Obama said he has a lot of campaigning to do in a limited amount of time.
    Obama said he had agreed to an earlier debate, but Clinton declined that one.
    “I’ll be honest with you, we’ve now had 21,” he said. “It’s not as if we don’t know how to do these things. I could deliver Sen. Clinton’s lines; she could, I’m sure, deliver mine.”
    Obama said he has to look at his schedule, considering the upcoming primaries.
    The two Democrats went head-to-head in a debate Wednesday night on ABC.
    During the first part of that debate, the candidates largely rehashed the controversies that have marked their last six weeks on the campaign trail.
    Much of the fire was leveled at Obama, who once again answered questions about controversial statements by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and his own comments that some rural Pennsylvanians are “bitter.”
    Obama said it took too long for them to address anything substantial.
    “Last night we set a new record because it took us 45 minutes before we even started talking — until we started talking about a single issue that matters to the American people,” he said.
    “Now I don’t blame Washington for this, that’s just how Washington is. … They like stirring up controversy, they like playing ‘gotcha’ games. … I will say Sen. Clinton looked in her element.”
    Clinton hasn’t commented on the debate.

  203. HAHA, Chicken-Obama now won’t debate in NC? God, what a wimp. First he whines about all the “hard” questions yesterday, and now he’s taking his ball home, too? This guy would get CRUSHED by McCain.

  204. BO

    “well if i can’t win then i don’t wanna play anymore!
    I’m going home to tell michelle how mean you all are to me!!”…….waaaaaaaaa!!!

    Bwahhhaaa hhhaaa

  205. “You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin,” Obama said. “Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest.

  206. Any one out there that can edit this clip to just Obama saying “I will not wear that pin on my chest”

    The campaign should put that in an ad and run it starting Friday night and all the way to election day.

  207. I just received an online petition from, asking for signatures.

    The issue:

    The petition says: “Debate moderators abuse the public trust every time they ask trivial questions about gaffes and ‘gotchas’ that only political insiders care about. Enough with the distractions—ABC and other networks must focus on issues that affect people’s daily lives.”

    We’ll deliver petition signatures to ABC and the networks hosting future debates. And if we reach 100,000 signatures, we’ll reprint the petition in an ad campaign targeting the networks on this issue.

    Funny, no one complained, when Hillary received the short end of the debate stick.

  208. Obama electability is falling in SUSA ,look at these head to heads,

    Clinton beats Mcain in Ohio 53 to 42 (clinton +13)
    , Obama loses it 45 to 47 ( O -2)

    Clinton wins Missouri 47 to 46 (Clinton +1)
    , obama loses it 50 to 42 (O -8)

    Clinton wins Mass 56 to 41, (C +15)
    Obama wins it 48 to 46 ( O +2)

    Clinton wins Cali 53 to 40 (c +13),
    Obama wins it 50 to 43 ( O +7)

    and heres the big tells

    Clinton wins NY by 55 to 39 (+16), obama wins 52 to 43 (+9)

    In the GE Clinton gets 46 to McCains 48 in Kentucky (C -2)

    In Kentucky Obama loses it 63 to 29, he so aint winning that primary. he loses kentucky by 34%.

  209. he just pointed out that Obama also said that Clinton could win…something that we have not heard yet from the media.


    Dean: I need a decision ‘now’
    Posted: 06:42 PM ET

    Howard Dean increased pressure on superdelegates Thursday.
    (CNN)— An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

    “We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”

    After facing criticism for a mostly hands-off leadership style during much of the primary season, Dean has been steadily raising the rhetorical pressure on superdelegates. He said Thursday that roughly 65 percent of them have made their preference plain, but that more than 300 have yet to make up their minds.

    The national party chair, who has remained neutral throughout the primary process, said again it’s his job to make sure both candidates feel they are treated fairly – but not to tell either of them when to end their run.

  211. Looking at all SUSA polls released today it looks like “clinging to guns and religion” does not play well in all these states that Obama claims he is going to turn blue in November. Hear that SD’s????

  212. OMG…….Tweety is questioning if BO could take the nomination and beat McCain…….pinch me am i dreaming????

  213. The national party chair, who has remained neutral throughout the primary process, said again it’s his job to make sure both candidates feel they are treated fairly – but not to tell either of them when to end their run.

    isn’t that the biggest load of horse crap you ever read?? LOL!!

    well……I guess we will be busy calling and emailing him all day tomorrow …..fill his voice and email mail up!! 😀

    I think the media needs to call him out on this…….this makes my blood boil!! I will not vote dem this fall if it is BO!!

  214. oh one other thing………..this say’s loud and clear that dean is not really nervous that if this goes on BO will explode before his biased eyeballs.

    tweety predicts a blow out for hillary 57-43%

  215. LOL, Dean is such a little Napoleonic hot-head. His precious minion, Obama, shat the bed during the debate last night and now all hell’s broken loose.

  216. I thought Tweety was running for some kind of political office now, he knows what side of the bread is buttered on now! LOL!!!

  217. I wrote a diary at DKos today, exposing Obama’s lie in the debate about the handgun ban questionnaire, and my account was terminated without any explanation. No surprise, of course, but it’s yet another example of how fascist that supposedly democratic website is! I’m so glad there’s this site…

  218. yes he did , but the love fest didn’t last too long LOL he then brought out the clinton pardoned members of the WUG

    but I do think that tingle he had run up his leg with BO fizzled out 😀

  219. if I was a superdelegate I’d be asking myself “what else don’t we know about this man?” .. simple enough to tell Howard Dean .. if they are NOT ready to make up their minds yet .. fcuk off twert.

    Poor pooch Deanie is scared shitless .. don’t he know that this makes Bambi look even more desperate.

    And if Bambi thinks last night was hard .. he ain’t seen nothing yet. Even more reason to vote HILLARY.

    She is still standing after taking attack after attack after attack by pundit, by pundit, by pundit

  220. here’s a great new article on Tweety……..really good read!!

    h t t p : / /

    A sneak peak:

    Tongues are still wagging over The New York Times Magazine’s cringe-inducing cover story about MSNBC talker Chris Matthews. The cringes came courtesy of the name-dropping Matthews, whose raging insecurities danced across nearly every page of the piece. As Digby noted after reading the opus, “He fulfills every single Village media cliche: obsessive social climbing, deep personal insecurity, primitively sexist and racist and just plain dumb.”

    Question: Is Chris Matthews the Michael Scott of political talk show hosts? And if so, does that make MSNBC the Dunder Mifflin of cable news?

    Matthews has harvested a bumper crop of outrageous remarks during this extended primary season. Specifically, fueled by his obsession with the Clintons (he can’t recall attending a single Beltway party where the couple has not been discussed), Matthews has unleashed a flood of sexist commentary.

  221. the best quote of the day i heard was something like

    “Obama last night was kind of like that extra crew member on Capatain Kirks Planet landing party thats kind of pointless and only there because he’s doomed and about to get slaughtered by a ruthless foe”

    So how is Crackerquiddick going today?

  222. The more Obama whines, the more he reinforces the obvious image of himself as an elitist who can’t stand the reality of hard-knuckled politics. When he gets asked about his associations with his deranged spiritual advisor, or about the Weather Underground and Ayers the terrorist, he complains and moans and groans. Dude, get over yourself. Welcome to the big leagues. If these are truly non-issues, then why is the whole country fixating on them? What a fraud.

  223. today, right wing radio ( jay severin, boston ) was ripping BO a new one over his “brushing lint off his lapels” speech in NC. symbolic of BO’s arrogant elitist attitude toward the common man.

  224. Exactly, Alcina. Obama can’t deign to answer questions that don’t flatter him. He is on the verge of turning into a self-parody. I can’t remember a more whiny candidate, ever, other than possibly Ralph Nader.

  225. oh i should of added , he wasn’t blasting about the debate, but pointed out that this was 45 mins in the 21st debate and for the last 15 months the msm journalist have not covered where the candidates stand on the big issues

  226. What’s that saying, about someone who doth protest too much? That’s exactly Obama, today. He has been screaming all day about the first 45 minutes of last night’s debate, DESPERATE to distract voters from the lurking issues around Ayers, Wright, “clinging to religion,” and everything else.

  227. Yes, big issues should be discussed…but it should have been that way all along….not this ‘he’s the one’ silliness we have had to endure from Obama.

  228. my friends……….who here wants to bet that bambi will no longer get a pillow and a comfy couch from the MSM (the ones that matter anyway) especially after SNL and now George and Charlie making them all look like “fluff bloggers” and “blonde barbie dolls” instead of real journalists

  229. My friend just had me pissing myself.

    Obama has more positions on one subject than the Karma Sutra.

  230. April 17, 2008
    Obama Takes the Bait
    Like many, I thought the questions at last night’s debate were tough and sometimes a little small.

    That being said, I disagree with the suggestion that this is a new feature to these debates. Hardly. This is par for the course. I recall the debate on October 30, 2007 – hosted by MSNBC – that focused relentlessly on Clinton. When the focus was off Clinton, the questions were weak.

    What connects these debates? Both were focused on the frontrunner. In October, Clinton was in the lead. So, she took the heat. Today, Obama is the frontrunner. So, it’s his turn. The media being the media, it asks hot questions not about policy – but about the silly campaign soap opera. That’s what it does.

    Unfortunately, Obama did not help himself. In fact, the hard time he received was partially his fault. There were two critical instances of this.

    The first came near the beginning of the debate. After the moderators asked each candidate about the veep slot, Gibson gave Obama an opportunity to clarify his “bitter” comments. He did a good job. He said:

    Well, I think there’s no doubt that I can see how people were offended. It’s not the first time that I’ve made, you know, a statement that was mangled up. It’s not going to be the last.
    But let me be very clear about what I meant, because it’s something that I’ve said in public, it’s something that I’ve said in television, which is that people are going through very difficult times right now and we are seeing it all across the country. And that was true even before the current economic hardships that are stemming from the housing crisis. This is the first economic expansion that we just completed in which ordinary people’s incomes actually went down, when adjusted for inflation, at the same time as their costs of everything from health care to gas at the pump have skyrocketed.

    Good answer.

    Gibson then gave it over to Clinton for a response. She hit Obama, but not terribly hard. She said:

    I don’t believe that my grandfather or my father, or the many people whom I have had the privilege of knowing and meeting across Pennsylvania over many years, cling to religion when Washington is not listening to them. I think that is a fundamental, sort of, misunderstanding of the role of religion and faith in times that are good and times that are bad.
    And I similarly don’t think that people cling to their traditions, like hunting and guns, either when they are frustrated with the government. I just don’t believe that’s how people live their lives.

    Now, that doesn’t mean that people are not frustrated with the government. We have every reason to be frustrated, particularly with this administration.

    But I can see why people would be taken aback and offended by the remarks. And I think what’s important is that we all listen to one another and we respect one another and we understand the different decisions that people make in life, because we’re a stronger country because of that.

    Now, let’s get real. That’s not too hard. I mean, Obama really stepped in it with those “bitter” comments, and he should expect to pay. He should have let this be the last word. Let his people do the serious pushback, but get the debate off this subject. Take this hit – it wasn’t that bad! – and just move on.

    For their part, Gibson and Stephanopoulos seemed satisfied. They moved on to a tough question for Clinton. Stephanopoulos asked: “Senator Clinton, when Bill Richardson called you to say he was endorsing Barack Obama, you told him that Senator Obama can’t win. I’m not going to ask you about that conversation. I know you don’t want to talk about it. But a simple yes-or-no question: Do you think Senator Obama can beat John McCain or not?”

    Stephanopoulos boxed Clinton in here. Either she says something that she can’t say in public, or she looks two-faced. She chose the latter, thus yielding a free point for Obama.

    They then turn it over to Obama for a rebuttal, which would have been a great opportunity to talk up his electability. What did he do? He returned to the “bitter” comments. He said:

    Let me just pick up on a couple of things that Senator Clinton said, though, because during the course of the last few days, you know, she’s said I’m elitist, out of touch, condescending. Let me be absolutely clear. It would be pretty hard for me to be condescending towards people of faith, since I’m a person of faith and have done more than most other campaigns in reaching out specifically to people of faith, and have written about how Democrats make an error when they don’t show up and speak directly to people’s faith, because I think we can get those votes, and I have in the past. [SNIP]
    So the problem that we have in our politics, which is fairly typical, is that you take one person’s statement, if it’s not properly phrased, and you just beat it to death. And that’s what Senator Clinton’s been doing over the last four days. And I understand that.

    This wasn’t a convincing hit. He certainly didn’t say anything that he hasn’t said many times already. Of course, since he attacked Clinton, Gibson gave her a chance to respond. This was when she really nailed him:

    Well, first of all, I want to be very clear. My comments were about your remarks.
    And I think that’s important, because it wasn’t just me responding to them, it was people who heard them, people who felt as though they were aimed at their values, their quality of life, the decisions that they have made.


    Obama was hit later on when Gibson went after him for his staff’s petty emails about Bosnia. So, his response actually induced two clean counter-punches. The frustrating thing watching this is that his initial response was great. He should have let that be the end of it. Instead, Obama chose not to let this go. Rather than take the hit and move on, he hit back – and he was worse off for it.

    This happened again, immediately after this exchange ended. Gibson moved on to ask Obama about Jeremiah Wright.

    Senator Obama, since you last debated, you made a significant speech in this building on the subject of race and your former pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. And you said subsequent to giving that speech that you never heard him say from the pulpit the kinds of things that so have offended people.
    But more than a year ago, you rescinded the invitation to him to attend the event when you announced your candidacy. He was to give the invocation. And according to the reverend, I’m quoting him, you said to him, “You can get kind of rough in sermons. So what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.” I’m quoting the reverend. But what did you know about his statements that caused you to rescind that invitation?

    This was a fair question. Obama, for his part, gave a good response. He didn’t answer Gibson’s question directly. Instead, he pivoted to a nice discussion of how his campaign is a people’s movement. So, two times he did well with the initial response. His problem, once again, came in his follow up.

    As per usual, Gibson gave Clinton a chance to respond. But he asked her a tough question about what she said:

    There are 8,000 members of Senator Obama’s church. And we have heard the inflammatory remarks of Reverend Wright, but so too have we heard testament to many great things that he did. Do you honestly believe that 8,000 people should have gotten up and walked out of that church?
    Clinton being Clinton, she wriggled out of this in a single sentence. “I was asked a personal question, Charlie, and I gave a personal answer.” Then, Clinton being Clinton, she hit Obama for the Wright thing. It was a good hit – about Wright’s post-9/11 comments. It was harder than her first hit on him about “bitter.”

    Once again, Obama could have responded or moved on. Once again, he chose to respond. I would have chosen to move on. The Wright thing has not done any appreciable damage yet, so why belabor it? For some reason, that’s what he chose to do. Gibson, who apparently didn’t like that Obama had not answered his initial question, would have none of it. This was the exchange:

    SENATOR OBAMA: Well, let me just respond to — to two things. Absolutely many of these remarks were objectionable. I’ve already said that I didn’t hear them, because I wasn’t in church that day. I didn’t learn about those statements until much later.
    But —

    MR. GIBSON: But you did rescind the invitation to him —

    SENATOR OBAMA: But that was on — that was on something entirely different, Charlie. That — that was on a different statement. And I think that what Senator Clinton referred to was extremely offensive, to me and a lot of people.

    This response was poor. It inclines one to ask, “Well – what ‘entirely different’ remark were you worried enough about to uninvite him?” Not a good exchange for Obama, who continued with a broad point about Wright. Stephanapoulus then asked him a tough-but-trivial question about whether his pastor loves America. By this point Obama was a little dazed. He went on to say that he had “disowned” Wright. Of course, he had done precisely the opposite, but he knows that. He was simply off his game by now.

    [Update, 3:40 PM. Upon prompting from an emailer, I took a closer look at the relevant passage, and found that Obama does not actually say he had “disowned” Wright. I thought he had accidentally said that, and had just flubbed it. He didn’t. Instead, his sentence was just awkward and his word choice poor. The relevant sentence is, “And, you know, the notion that somehow that the American people are going to be distracted once again by comments not made by me but by somebody who is associated with me, that I have disowned, I think doesn’t give the American people enough credit.” This is what induced the request for clarification from Gibson, after which Obama stated that he meant the remarks, not the man. The first problem is the choice of word, “disown.” The second problem is placing the “I have disowned” clause after “somebody,” not after “comments.” Both injected some ambiguity, and were thus signs that he was off.]

    I would have been, too. By this point, he had taken some serious blows from Clinton and the moderators. But who is to blame? We can, and perhaps should, give Gibson and Stephanopoulos a rough time for hitting him, though it is silly to say that this is unique. The only unique thing about this is that Obama, not Clinton, was taking the shots from the moderators.

    What’s more, Obama clearly committed some tactical errors here. He chose to get into it with Clinton on both subjects. He had an opportunity to take his lumps and move on – but he refused. And what happened both times? He was hit even harder.

    This is Clinton’s territory. She’s completely comfortable down there in the muck. She even seems to like it. Journalists like it, too. It gives them an opportunity to seem smart and tough. So, unsurprisingly, Clinton, Gibson, and Stephanopoulos were all trying to draw Obama into it. Obama is not comfortable down there, and it showed. His mistake was being tricked into going down there.

    Clinton often reminds me a bit of George Foreman. She has one mode in these debates: pound the crap out of everything in her path. You’d think that this would give Obama an opportunity. Like Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle, he could bide his time until she over-extends herself, then nail her. But that didn’t happen. Last night, Clinton managed to draw Obama into a slugfest.

    For her part, Clinton knew she had gotten the better of Obama, and chose to back off. This was the most incredible moment in the debate. It came after the Ayers exchange. Obama had just responded with the comment that her husband had pardoned some members of the Weather Underground. Then:

    MR. GIBSON: And Senator Clinton, I’m getting out of balance in terms of time.
    SENATOR CLINTON: I’ve noticed. (Laughs.)

    MR. GIBSON: And you’re getting shortchanged here. And so if you want to reply here, fine. If you want to wait, we’ll do it in the next half hour.

    SENATOR CLINTON: We can wait.

  231. yeah, what about the media wanting to paint Hillary with Bill’s ties to anybody overseas .. anybody who contributed to the libary…the CHARACTER mattered then .. NOW it doesn’t.

    The party and the media know the more he’s out there the more SHIT is gonna come out.

    I say whatever. He’ll never be elected as POTUS whatever they do.

    Just talking to people over the course of the last weeks I’m comfortable that he will not be President.

  232. That debate lasted 2 hours and all the questions was asked because the voters wanted those questions addressed.

    Now what the Obama supporters in the media are doing is trying to intimidate the media…but it won’t work and in the long run I want to know how Obama is going to handle the pressure and being treated like everybody else.

    Obambi is an elited crybaby and the longer he goes on with this the worst it is for him.

    Like I said Obama has no problem sticking it to the middle class. Have you been to Chicago lately?…They tax everything in that state..everything.

    I love this quote:
    “I don’t like Hillary Clinton. But I respect her as an adversary. And every once in a while, when she demonstrates she has the guts to “go there” in front of a Democratic audience that want their debates to be criticism-free lovefests, I’m tempted to say, “I like the cut of your jib, Senator.” It’s like watching a linebacker perfectly execute a blitz and flatten a quarterback from the blind side. It’s brutal, and tough to watch when it’s your guy being hit, but it’s within the rules and almost artistic when it’s perfectly executed.”

  233. was calling pa today-most people sunded very anoyed to me. said they have been called over an dover by hillary and obama folks. many hung up on me. guess gotv is totally cranked

  234. Don’t know about you, but if we end up saddled with a male president, I prefer a “man’s man” POW, war hero – to an elitist, pathetic whiny-baby who plays the race card at every turn. The superdelegates had better realize it’s Hillary or BUST! We will NOT get behind this wimpy, bitter, chip-on-his shoulder dweeb, nor his mean-as-hell wife – MO. A nomination for him from the SD will result in THEIR own defeats – and they better remember that we will make sure that one happens, too. Paybacks are hell.

  235. one BO supporter i know at work ( there aren’t many, thank god ) couldn’t even give me eye contact today. the rest were eerily silent. 🙂

    ain’t it sweet?

  236. t4h .. I personally think they are saturated. I think it’s time to back off and let the voters catch a breath.

    Her message is out there and I think we’ve done all we can do and now we have to trust the voters in PA and let them bring it in for Hillary.

    There is a fine line now to be worn .. the debate exposeed Obama and I think it’s maybe best to just let the voters chew on that

  237. I wish Hillary would weigh in on the border patrol agents .. is the Congress even doing any investigations?

    Hillary could pardon those guys first thing out of the bat and win a lot of goodwill to boot

  238. Dot I tend to agree with you on giving PA some Breathing space, I know i hate to be “pushed” to make a decision

    especially when my kids are asking me for one with their friend standing right there with them as leverage LOL

  239. Holy cow bat man!!!!!!

    Lou dobbs is blowing it out with Ayers and other’s that bo is associated with that are american haters!!!

  240. Alcina, I am with you, my friend an Obama supporter did not have much to say today! She said she didn’t get to watch all of the debate because she was sick. I’m sure!! LOL!! LOts of BO supporters got sick last night!!!! I love it!!!

  241. Anyone else think, Dean et al, may be running scared, which is why, he came out with that statement today?

  242. birdgal

    I think they started running scared when the wright story broke and it has grown daily into “desperate” with hannity on a daily basis 😀

  243. Bill O just doesn’t totally get it does he

    it’s not just about getting to know these people, wright,ayers etc for political purposes, I truly believe that he associates with these types because he shares common views

  244. Well, I am not sure, but it sounds like BO tried to deflect today with his JZ “brush your shoulders off”, but it seems like for the first time it didn’t work.

  245. For all his (proper) bashing of BM, Lou Dobbs continues to lump Hill in when it comes to his little remarks about how ‘none of these poeple’ are capable of leading the country out of the mess it’s in.

    So, in short, F him too. (as much as we hail him as a voice of sanity these past few months, he’s been hideous over the years).

    Drudge has this up, which I’d definitely take as bull,
    another ‘Protect BO’ story in the making.

    No way in the world SD’s saw that last night and didn’t see what the true story really is.

  246. that whole brush his shoulders AND the bottom of his shoe i might add bit proved his “SNOBish” “Elitist i am better than you” personna to the entire nation today…..

    he truly is the gift that keeps on giving!!! 😀

  247. And Howard Dean said this?!; someone tell Howard it’s Hillary.

    “An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

    “We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”

  248. h t t p : / /

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Khalid Rashid is a citizen of Pakistan, who was arrested on October 31, 2005 in South Africa.[1]. It has been alleged that he was subjected to extraordinary rendition out of South Africa to an unknown destination.

    Some reports assert that Rashid was transferred to the United States Guantanamo Bay detainment camps, in Cuba.

  249. I told you earlier in the week that OReilly was getting into the koolaid. He’s shrugging too much stuff off now and I think that he and Hannity are in a bit of a power struggle over Wright story

  250. Drudge has this up, which I’d definitely take as bull,
    another ‘Protect BO’ story in the making.

    Wha? This is getting weird.

  251. ooops , wrong name LOL here’s the right one

    h t t p : / /

    Rashid Khalidi (born 1950), an American historian of the Middle East, is the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University, and the director of the Middle East Institute of Columbia’s School of International and Public Affairs. He has been called “the leading Palestinian intellectual in America.”

    Public life

    Khalidi has written dozens of scholarly articles on Middle East history and politics, as well as op-ed pieces in many U.S. newspapers. He has also been a guest on numerous radio and TV shows including All Things Considered, Talk of the Nation, Morning Edition, The News Hour with Jim Lehrer, Charlie Rose, and Nightline, and has appeared on the BBC, the CBC, France Inter and the Voice of America. Khalidi had an advising role at the Madrid Conference of 1991 between the U.S., Israel, Palestinians and Arab states. He served as president of the American Committee on Jerusalem, now known as the American Task Force on Palestine.

    Khalidi’s statements on the status of Palestinians in Israel and the Israeli-occupied territories have been the most controversial. In an interview on PBS, Khalidi used the term “occupied” in reference to Mandatory Palestine in 1948, saying “about half of it was occupied by Israel (which under UNGA 181 was supposed to obtain roughly 55% of Mandate Palestine, and which by the time of the armistice had taken control of about 78%, including half of what was to have been the Arab state)… the remainder was, as you say, under Egyptian and Jordanian control from 1948-1967.”[11]

    A New York Sun editorial criticized Khalidi for stating that there is a legal right under international law for Palestinians to resist Israeli occupation.[12] For example, in a speech given to the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, Khalidi said that “[k]illing civilians is a war crime. It’s a violation of international law. They are not soldiers. They’re civilians, they’re unarmed. The ones who are armed, the ones who are soldiers, the ones who are in occupation, that’s different. That’s resistance.”[12][13] The Sun editorial argued that by failing to distinguish between Palestinian combatants and noncombatants, Khalidi implies that all Palestinians have this right to resist, which it argued was incorrect under international law.[12] In an interview discussing this editorial, Khalidi objected to this characterization as incorrect and taken out of the context of his statements on international law.[12]

    Khalidi has described discussions of Arab restitution for property confiscated from Jewish refugees forced to flee Middle Eastern and North African countries after the creation of Israel as “insidious”, “because the advocates of Jewish refugees are not working to get those legitimate assets back but are in fact trying to cancel out the debt of Israel toward Palestinian refugees.”[14]

    Khalidi opposes the Iraq War and has said that “we owe reparations to the Iraqi people.”[15]

    [edit] Allegations of PLO connections

    Khalidi has been accused of having ties to the Palestinian Liberation Organization, based on his work for Wafa in the late 1980s. Khalidi has been accused of being “a director of the Palestinian press agency,” publishing an “adulatory book” on the PLO in which he personally thanked Yasser Arafat,[16] and acting as an advisor to the Palestinian delegation during peace negotiations.[17] Khalidi denied the allegation that he served as a PLO spokesman.[18] Khalidi explained that he often spoke to journalists in Beirut, and was usually cited, without attribution, as a well-informed Palestinian source. He also said that he was unaware of any misidentification as a PLO spokesman.[16]

    The claim received renewed attention in 2008 when it was raised due to a reported friendship between Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and Khalidi’s family when Khalidi taught at the University of Chicago. Articles by Aaron Klein and John Bachelor, writers respectively for conservative outlets World Net Daily and Human Events, were referenced by rival political campaigns and reprinted in wider-circulation media.[17][19][20][18]

  252. I got news for those superdelegates .. Barack Obama will lose the GE. If they want to regain the white house they better get in the Hillary line.

    This shit is gonna keep coming and in fact, Dean and Company were hoping that Hillary being in would deflect it .. got news for them .. Bambi is a loser

  253. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
    And Howard Dean said this?!; someone tell Howard it’s Hillary.

    “An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

    “We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”
    The problem with Howard Dean is that he is a LOSER!!! Hillary has tremendous support from the rank n file and all those down the ticket Democrats who are in swing states and know Obama IS Hurting the democrats.

  254. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
    And Howard Dean said this?!; someone tell Howard it’s Hillary.

    “An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

    “We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”
    The problem with Howard Dean is that he is a LOSER!!! Hillary has tremendous support from the rank n file and all those down the ticket Democrats who are in swing states and know Obama IS Hurting the democrats.

  255. YR 2008 finds me

    listening to RW radio. tuning into bill o’reilly and karl rove. sharing political discussions with the most RW people i know. agreeing with my father – after a lifetime of blistering political fights dating back to nixon and seriously considering voting republican for the first time in my life.

    i feel i’ve entered the twilight zone, or somehow been transported to a parallel universe. what the hell is going on?

  256. Someone seriously needs to ask that DICKWEED Howard Dean the following;

    Howard, what about your 50-state strategy?
    Shouldn’t everyone get to vote?

    And then, if SD’s were only created to confirm the delegate totals, why have them?

  257. Dickweed Morris saying HRC paying only neg ads against BHO’s 3x positive ads, and will result in perhaps marginal victory. What can we don to help (besides call). How can ANY Dem in PA vote for that lying traitor dweeb BHO?

  258. Yes! He TOTALLY gave HRC the finger! WHY IN THE WORLD HASN’T THIS BEEN REPORTED? SEND TO HANNITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  259. She is playing 2 negative ads. He had his ad attacking her for attacking him, and his oil ad where he makes it sound like she takes money from oil companies.


  261. You’ll notice the audience sure thinks so.

    They don’t roar after he says Hill’s name, or after he says she was in her element, but right after he raises his finger they sure do!!!!!!




  265. The headline @ Red State, which means RW media will be all over this;

    Talk about no class: Barack Obama gives Hillary the middle finger.

    After losing the debate tonight, Obama gave Hillary the finger today. I don’t know if he intended to do that hand gesture in his pause while talking about Hillary, but it is obvious the crowd thought it was an intentional raising of the middle finger.

    Has a candidate for President ever shot another candidate the bird from stage?

  266. rjk1957 Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    In Philadelphia every time his Oil ad airs, Hillary’s ad “Pocket” pointing out he is lying airs right after it.

    Which is not an “attack” ad. This is a perfectly fair issues based ad.

  267. Ben Smith @ Politico tried to dismiss it, calling it a two-finger myth.

    Smith is BO’s Politico conduit, that tells you they’re worried about it and are trying to get out in front of it.

  268. ha ha ha Daily kos got slammed on bill O just now……..complete with screen shots of the “wacky” blog site LOL!!!

  269. From the Lehrer News Hour:

    MARGARET WARNER: So, Brooks, in defending himself, based on your analysis, did Obama stretch the truth in any way?

    BROOKS JACKSON, Well, yes. One of the things for which we’re criticizing him is that he said that, in regard to that lapel pin, the American flag lapel pin, he said, “I never said that I had refused to wear it.”

    Well, in fact, less than a year ago in Iowa, he told a TV interviewer that after 9/11 he had decided not to wear the pin because it had become, in his view, a substitute for true patriotism, which is upsetting a lot of people and being talked about.

    So he’s engaging in a little bit of rewriting his own history.

    Then they always try to even out their criticism:

    MARGARET WARNER: Let’s ask about Clinton now last night, Brooks, because in pressing the case against Obama … what’s your analysis show about how close to the truth those assertions were?

    BROOKS JACKSON: Well, in one case, the questioners had brought up this association that Senator Obama has — tenuous at best — with Bill Ayers, who was a very famous radical from the 1970s and was a part of the Weather Underground, responsible for some high-profile bombings, the men’s room at the Capitol, a women’s room at the Pentagon, et cetera.

    And Clinton pushed that a little too far, in our view. She said, “Well, people died in some of these bombings.” Well, in fact, nobody died in the Weather Underground bombings, except for three members of the Weather Underground, who were killed when one of their own bombs accidentally exploded in Greenwich Village.

    Ah, excuse me, but doesn’t three people “were killed” mean that “people died” ???


  270. I wish I could see the video, I am at work, it was really be apparent! How could the DNC even let this man represent the democrats!! This horrible, what about the children who like him, those children who are getting their superdelegate parents to endorse BHO! I hope all the SD’s see this!!

  271. Oh i hope this gets out big time, lots of voters really do not like that sort of thing at all. Its crass and again disrespectful and nasty.

  272. For the love of God, the campaign needs to make this an issue.


    Do just what the Bushies and Cheneys would do!

    (remember their non-stop ‘outrage’ at John Kerry for his lesbian remark?)

  273. Joe Friday, I guess the people of the weatherman underground were not people because they are the only ones that died! SHSSH!! These folks are drinking way too much kool aid!

  274. Agreed meiyingsu. She should hold an “economic summit” of top business leaders, academics, regular voters, etc. and really show off her wizardry and skills.

  275. Not to deviate from what should be mounting momentum for Finger-Gate, but did anyone see this?

    The New York Times today (printed edition) ran the following headline, except the print version is muuuuuch different from the web version.

    “Clinton Uses Sharp Attacks in Tense Debate”

    The print version of the paper phrases it:

    “Clinton Uses Broad Attacks in Tense Debate”

  276. Good Grief.

    I’ve never heard so much whining in my life.


    All damn day long.


  278. “It was intentional, you can see him deliberately pause to do it and then smirked.”

    Talk about someone who feels entitled to the presidency. As soon as he is challenged he gives the person the finger.

  279. Remember all the whining that the Dean-iacs did 4 years ago? The Obama-bot whining, led by their zany leader, is somehow twice as loud. Ugh! Get over your precious little selves!

  280. Berkeley Vox, we finally get the media (ABC debate, fox) go after BHO. Hillary finally can concentrate on issues she care about the economics. she needs to stay positive till next Tues.

  281. Barack “leave me alone” Obama doesn’t want to do anymore debates…per Taylor Marsh:

    “Sen. Barack Obama on Thursday suggested he doesn’t see any point in having another debate with Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Clinton. … .. “I’ll be honest with you, we’ve now had 21,” he said. “It’s not as if we don’t know how to do these things. I could deliver Sen. Clinton’s lines; she could, I’m sure, deliver mine.” *********

    well, 10 million people last night who saw the debate (up to 11.5 million watched snippets of it) – don’t seem to be getting debate fatigue after 21 debates. These people want to know more about who you are Barry! Bring it on.

  282. Well flipping her the bird ought to good for another few days of bad press for bambi

    Crackerquiddick is building

  283. God what a difference a few months will make. I now like Hannity and think Colmes is a puppet of the DNC and should be dropped from the show..

  284. blue – that’s fascinating – this is dual marketing – for the print edition whose reader demographic is likely older and conservative whether Dem or Republican – they use one headline and for the DKos set online, they use another – attacking Clinton.

    the books that should be written about this time – exposing the marketing side of the “truth.” unbelievable.

  285. just thing, one punch and he’s on the mat. Hillary’s been taking this shit for 16 years and she’s still standing and you don’t see the media ever try to prop her up.

    The bias is disgusting. Why was the media not make any uproar when Hillary was being roasted at every debate..everything from Bills library to his speechs has been brough up, Chelsea has been insulted and gets roughed up now daily at events ..

    what a bunch of pussies in the obama camp.

  286. actually Ininla, it’s reversed, at least now where the NYT online has ‘Sharp attacks’.
    They may have changed it, or theoretically went with the more damaging “Broad attacks for their bigger audience, which is in print.

    I don’t know.

  287. Obama reminds me of someone who wants to be starting quarterback, but he can’t even finish a 2-hour preseason practice without whining about how hot the weather is.

  288. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    Hey Ive asked if there was any good news for Hillary today?

    well i think all this bad press for obama is good news for hillary 😀

  289. thank god John Kasich just let America know that the party deoes not want Hillary Clinton and that they will look the other way for anything related to Obama. Wake up SD’s.

  290. Dan Abrams just very cutely cut away from “Finger” clip before it could be shown.

    That’s a tight edit to get out as they just did.

  291. djia, I didnt really see any negative press, just that Hillary says Obama can win the election over and over

  292. The natural tie-in on Finger-gate is BO refusing to shake hands in the Senate.

    Immaturity. Unfit to Lead.

  293. The voters need to take their party back and tell Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and crew .. take this finger and all our fingers .. we don’t want your pick .. we’ll chose our own.

    Just told my husband this evening that I will definitely go against this party in November if they put this no good for nothing, eggo head, insulting America turd up for the nomination. I’m telling you there is a lot of resentment building out in the country right now. People aren’t stupid and they see what is happening and I don’t care how much the party thinks we want the white house back .. we also don’t want to be told we have to have a candidate rammed down our throat or up our ass.

    It’s called BUCK the system .. Bill and Hillary have alway been outsiders .. it’s a shame, the best President in our lifteime.

  294. This might be goos, Bloomberg says that he will endorse an adult for President. That leaves Obama out, he has been whinning all day they picked on me and I will not do any more debates. Top it off with him giving Hillary the finger he sure as hell does not look like an adult to me.

  295. Kaisch: Former Ohio congressman. He believes Obama will be the nominee, and the party is willing to lose, rather than, have HRC win the White House.

  296. According to John Kaisch, and this is what we have been saying. They don’t want HRC in the White House, because they hate the Clintons.

  297. yep, the party thinks they are all set right now to gain the white house regardless who is the nominee .. so they would rather put a black man than an woman. Simple as shitting in the bed wide awake.

    They sorely underestimate the Republican party and America at large. We resist takeovers…

  298. # birdgal Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    dija: John Kasich said that the party does not want HRC. Just what we have been saying.

    yep i seen it, just didn’t catch his name is all

    we need to get the video clip of that one!

  299. What John said is what we have been saying here for a long time. Its what the insurgency is all about. We’d rather have the nominee that the people pick (including Fl and Mi) not have the nominee that the party elite pick. As I say, anger is building. Talk to people about what is happening to Hillary and Bill and you will pick up on it too. The DNC thinks Nov will be a walk in the park ..

  300. from another website:

    From TalkLeft: Update: I just got an e-mail from the Colbert Report. John Edwards and Barack Obama will also make appearances on the show. Edwards will be in person and Obama will appear by satellite.

    WTF is this? Now that Hillary will be on the show, Obama has decided to appear by satellite? And Edwards will be in person? Is this a trick by Colbert, or is something going on?!

  301. I actually think all this will work in Hillary’s benefit. The voters tend to rally round her when she needs them most.

  302. I will tell ya one thing………its a good thing this john Kasich said that on hannity, who has the highest ratings (lots of viewers) probably even more so since last night 😀

  303. Hill and Edwards chatting was mentioned on Politico. It happened backstage at the Colbert show I think…..

  304. Newt Gingrich .. he don’t care to mention the word “BOMBS”

    Obama doesn’t get it .. AMEN!!!!!!!!!

    Gingrich telling it like it is on Obama’s “Hard” life!!! LOL

    Elitist Scorn …

  305. this was on benny boys blog

    April 17, 2008
    Categories: Hillary Clinton

    Backstage at Colbert

    My colleague Lisa Lerer was as struck by Hillary’s chat backstage with John Edwards as by her appearance on The Colbert Report, which airs this evening. She just made a cameo, solving not only his on-set technical difficulties but improving his make-up.

    “Are you telling me there is no one in this theater who can fix the mess we’re in?” asked Colbert, after his background screen fails to turn on and no one in the studio can fix it.

    Cue Clinton.

    She suggests toggling the input. The screen comes back. She instructs the make-up crew to give him some more powder for a shiny forehead.

    “Wow, Senator Clinton, you’re so prepared for any situation,” sputters Colbert.

    “That’s ok. Call me anytime,” says Clinton.

    UPDATE: Obama’s going to be on the show too, via satellite.

  306. This is from Hillary Rapid Responders today. Sorry it is so long.

    Still, no satisfaction for Clinton ‘s sisterhood
    By Joan Vennochi, Globe Columnist | April 17, 2008

    DEVAL PATRICK brought his cool. John Kerry brought his angst. Ted Kennedy brought his wife.

    Governor Patrick and Senators Kerry and Kennedy met separately over the past week with Massachusetts women who support Hillary Clinton and want the state’s superdelegates to find a way to count all the primary votes in Florida and Michigan .

    But, the aftermath of these sitdowns with the Bay State ‘s top Democrats brings to mind that Rolling Stones classic, “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction.”

    The men – all Barack Obama supporters in a state that went for Clinton on primary day – said they believe in fairness, but not, necessarily, in counting votes in other states where Clinton claims victory.

    Kennedy, accompanied by his wife, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, promised to speak to the Obama campaign; to Howard Dean, head of the Democratic National Committee; and to Michigan Democrats. But, according to women at the meeting, when asked to take their cause public, the senator expressed a higher priority: “I’m trying to get us out of Iraq ,” he said.

    Patrick and Kerry told the group they were moved by their advocacy, and would dig into the issue.

    “We supported all three over the years because we believed each of them to be committed to the core basic democratic principle of having every vote count,” said Lois Pines, a former state senator and longtime Democratic activist. “. . . Is it really possible they are going to let such an injustice stand and no one is going to make this right?”

    Late yesterday, a spokesman for Patrick said, “The governor wants a fair outcome that seats the Michigan and Florida delegates at the Democratic National Convention in August. He is not opposed to a revote. He pledged to convey the group’s concerns to the Obama campaign and has done so.”

    A Kerry spokesman said the senator “had a good, long, honest and productive discussion and he’s personally conveyed their concerns to the DNC and the Obama campaign. He reiterated how important it is to have a fair resolution that strengthens rather than divides our party.”

    The national party is still flummoxed over how to count 2.3 million votes cast by Florida and Michigan Democrats. In scheduling their primaries, both states ignored party rules, leading the DNC to strip their delegates. After Obama took his name off the Michigan ballot, Clinton won 55 percent of the vote. She won 50 percent of the vote in Florida , where neither candidate campaigned.

    It’s popular to denounce Clinton ‘s female supporters as cranks who refuse to accept defeat. The media continually report that Obama is ahead in the delegate count and popular vote, and it’s impossible for Clinton to catch up. That recurring theme could depress Clinton ‘s vote in upcoming primaries. Who wants to vote for a designated loser?

    Keeping Michigan and Florida out of the count helps Obama press that case. A recent article by Sean Wilentz explains why: “Under the existing system, Obama’s current lead in the popular vote would nearly vanish if the results from Michigan and Florida were included in the total and his lead in pledged delegates would melt to almost nothing . . . Add those states’ votes to the totals and take a sober look at Clinton’s popular-vote victories in virtually all other large states, and the electoral dynamic changes.”

    Of course, the political dynamic shifts if Obama wins the upcoming Pennsylvania primary, along with others. But it’s hard to deny that a big piece of Obama’s momentum can be traced back to Dean’s decision to leave Michigan and Florida up in the air as long as possible. It’s also a fact that neither Obama nor Clinton can accumulate the 2,025 delegates needed to nail the nomination; both need support from superdelegates.

    Dean’s vague promise to seat Florida and Michigan delegates at the convention doesn’t placate these Massachusetts women. They want a revote in Michigan and the Florida votes of Jan. 29 counted now.

    “A lot of women are not going to be quite so enthusiastic about the level and intensity and depth of their effort on behalf of Barack Obama, if indeed Florida is not counted in a timely manner. If that is being used to undermine the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, as generated by Howard Dean and his team, that is outrageous,” said Pines.

    Those are tough words from a lifelong Democrat, who backed Kennedy, camped out in Florida for Kerry, and worked the state convention floor for Patrick. They bring to mind another Stones classic, “Under My Thumb.”

    Kennedy, Kerry, and Patrick are mistaken if they believe all their female supporters can be counted on to stay there.

    Joan Vennochi’s e-mail address is

  307. newt just said its like there’s two obamas…..there’s the “rock star” and theirs this other obama that associates with terrorists or something like that

    also “there’s a pattern building here”

  308. there are two Obama’s … per Newt .. what we been saying for a long, long time.

    The news media in America has failed America. Per Hannity, they covered the rock star speeches, fainting, and change, change, change……why did it take a year for the media to do anything?

    Gingrich .. the Million Man March …hangs out with terrorists and didn’t hear his preacher condemn America for 20 years

    Hannity .. anti semit, racist … wow! I guess he meant Farrakan???

    Yes, the two faces of Obama.

  309. The problem with the democratic leadership is that they can’t read numbers. The progressives are made at the Clinton because the compromised and made deals.

    But I don’t think Obama has the Electorial votes to win the presidency.

  310. this woman plans to help any party BUT the dems come November IF they refuse to count Florida and Michigan BEFORE the convention .. count the votes..

  311. Saw this on facebook, check it out

    Hillary’s Minute for a Million

    Monday, April 21, 2008 at 4L44 pm EST

    On-Line Event
    General Area:

    A Million in a Minute At 4:44pm EST on April 21st We will all go to to donate whatever we can as a show of support before election day in Pennsylvania! Our goal is to reach 1 million dollars in a minute. This event is in response to Senator Obama’s “A Million in A Minute” organized by his supporters. There is a similar event being organized by Hillary’s Facebook supporters. Let’s join our brothers and sisters in making this a tremendous event and drive for Hillary. Hillary Clinton 4 44th President

    Ken Louie

    The host is trying to raise money at this event. The suggested contribution is any amount appreciated. Contributions can be made after submitting your RSVP.

  312. TM posters sending the finger-gate story to all MSM

    I have sent it as well………their emails will be flooded with this new GATE 😀

  313. Thanks to whomever got me the info on who to reach in Penn.

    🙂 I will be going on Sunday and staying until Tuesday night!

    I hope to take tons of pictures!

  314. can Hillary’s website handle all the traffic on Monday .. I’m ready to join in the Million in A Minute …


    Obama Campaign Releases Another Negative, Misleading Trade Mailer

  316. does anyone here have a compiled list of emails to the PA and NC and IN papers??

    we need to get finger-gate to them

  317. this will be huge!!………….finger-gate video went from 200 views to over 4k in less than 30 minutes!!!!

  318. I urge every woman here to contact Joan regarding the WOMEN vote. Email her and let her know that we agree

  319. Frank Luntz group hated the Bittergate ad but they loved the Ed Rendell ad because Ed is beloved in PA. But I do have a question on the group of voters most didn’t support Hillary but the handfull who di…was suppect to me….they said the comment was trivial and they wanted more information.

    I call this b.s….they didn’t like Bob Casey ad for Obama either.

    My first question is where did these people come from..Philadephia or around the state?

    2.I think most of those were Obambots.

  320. I don’t think Bittergate is trivial. It’s trickling down in all little towns. Nice to see my old stomping grounds WV mayors weighing in now. Bittergate will not be forgotten….

  321. # HillBillyLover Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    I don’t know, djia, I think Obama will just refute it was intentional…it isn’t super clear that it was.

    it is super clear and provable………pause the tape just as he raises his hand but has not yet touched his face, he only has one finger up and the pointer finger is off to the side and does not touch his face at all

    he was covered by more than one camera, so clearly there are other angles of coverage

  322. Frank Luntz has already been busted for using bogus focus groups.

    In the earlier debates, he used the same “undecided” voters in about 3 debates! Yep, they went in “undecided”, and lo and behold were swayed by Obama in the end! Then the SAME PEOPLE were suddenly “undecided” again a month later, and lo and behold, saw the light for Obama yet again.

  323. One thing that’s telling; Obama dusting off the tough questions like he tried to do today (right after giving Hillary the finger!) is just like a fighter who shakes his head like he hasn’t been hurt – when he has.

    it is a dead giveaway and the surest sign yet that the pressure is getting to him and he will crack.

    Question is when will there be another chance to ask him tough questions? (media assholes for BO like Olbermann and BO himself have been pointing to the ’21’ debates thing all week in anticipation of backing out of NC contest.)

    In actuality, they have now had just 4(?) head-to-head matchups, and last night was the FIRST where the set wasn’t rigged to have them sitting right on top of each other, which makes confrontation more difficult.

    and look what happened….

  324. Last I heard we were down 10 pts in Oregon. Terry MCc was here in Medford yesterday and I guess there were about 50 people turned out for he opening of the new office. It was supposed to be two nights ago and they called to change the time at the last minute, so I couldn’t go. Boo.

    I think the gun and religion issues will be big here, we also have a huge number of national guard people that have been to Iraq more that once and are getting stuck with the stop-loss. It would be a good topic to discuss when the come. Our ballots will come in the next two weeks and voting will start. We are a vote by mail state.

  325. “has this John Kasich endorsed anyone yet?? who’s side is he on??”

    He’s a Republican, an ex-Congressman.

  326. Join Hillary and Congressman Murtha for a “Solutions for Pennsylvania” Rally in McKeesport!
    Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 7:00 PM – 10:00 PM

    awesome, this will help Hillary! I hope Gov. Rendell, Mayor Nutter, and Mayor of Pittsburgh continue to rally for Hillary. Hillary’s been campaigning hard in Philadelphia.

  327. The DNC has been trying whatever they can to stop Hillary since BHO’s Iowa victory but fail because of people like us.

  328. finger-gate. lol

    i remember posting a comment yesterday saying I could see OBama giving Hillary the finger…and lo and behold.

    Spread the video!

  329. “The progressives are made at the Clinton because the compromised and made deals.”

    Yeah, Obama makes working with Republicans a central message of his campaign, but that’s ‘reaching across the aisle.’ With Clinton it’s ‘selling out’ or ‘triangulation.’ Same damn thing no matter what you call it.

  330. hehe, Joe Scarborough apparently bolted off the set after
    motormouth Rachel Maddow wouldn’t shut the hell up.

  331. The Dem’s lost Congress. How was BC supposed to pass anything with out Republicans? Despite the false meme of the appallingly brainless “progressive” blogosphere, they didn’t lose Congress because of Bill. They lost it because they thought so much of themselves that they didn’t think the public would care if they didn’t accomplish anything. They refused even a vote on health care, that’s how they lost Congress. Hapless bunch of losers.

  332. How convenient. 40 minutes in and loserboy Anderson Cooper hasn’t done a stich on politics, thanks to visit by Pope, which provides a convenient excuse to trim coverage of Obama getting his ass whupped.

  333. So Obama is crashing Hill’s party on Colbert? Classless.

    Hey, does Matthews daughter who volunteers for BO go to UPenn? I know she is a student there.

  334. gerond, I think DNC is afraid of fighting with GOP. If Hillary is nominee, they definitly have to fight with GOP to get to the White House so they manufacture a rock star BHO and wishfully think that they won’t need to fight just walk to the white house in Jan. 2009.

  335. I don’t care about any of that…it’s not about a Black President, it’s about the character of the man and our values. Obama has major issues that will bite him in the ass.

    Also the Howard Dean wing as elities and arrogant and they will lose us the White House. This crap they are doing to Disney and other who don’t agree with their agenda…are tactics straight out of MARXIST school of little dictatorship.

    The are pushing people away from them…like I said before people don’t hate republicans, they just hate the Bush Administration. And they are underestimating the republicans and GWB. Don’t be surprise if he change the script to help McCain after the Democratic convention.

  336. finger gate story and video posted here, but first you need to scroll down past the story on “colbert’s show” tonight

    I haven’t watched it , was going to, but now i am NOT!! when you read it you will then know why!!!!

  337. Clinton Crashes the Colbert Report
    by Aaron Bruns
    Hillary Clinton hit one of the hottest shows on TV tonight — taking on TV talk parody artist Stephen Colbert during his week in Philadelphia, and displaying a surprising knowledge of TV tech speak.

    When the big screen behind the Comedy Central host went down at the top of the show and couldn’t be fixed, Colbert asked “are you telling me there’s no one in this theater that can fix the mess were in?” Cue the candidate with “Solutions for America” — who strode on stage saying “I can, Stephen.”

    Talking with the disembodied voice of Colbert’s director, Jimmy, Clinton went on to ask whether the show was “using a digital or analog production truck,” and if the feed was sent out “Through the router or the aux bus on the switcher.” Suggesting that they “try toggling the input,” Clinton watched as the screen roared back to life — and the crowd roared its approval.

    But Hillary wasn’t done making improvements to the show — calling on makeup to bring out “some translucent powder” for Colbert’s shiny forehead. “Wow, Senator Clinton, you’re so prepared for any situation,” said Colbert. “I just don’t know how to thank you enough.”

    “That’s OK, Stephen, I just love solving problems,” she said. “Call me any time.”

    “Really?” he asked.

    “Sure. Call me at 3am,” she quipped, exiting stage right to laughter and applause.

    “I’m going to call her at 3am,” said Colbert. “I’m sure she left her cell phone number.”

    Barack Obama and John Edwards are both set to appear on the show tonight as well; in fact, Clinton chatted with Edwards for a few minutes as both waited backstage for their moment in the spotlight.

  338. Here’s a video from another angle on “fingergate”. It sure looks like he is giving the finger..he even pauses for effect.

  339. rjk………theres more to the colbert show tonight than just that

    it’s the what they do with obama after hill was on that’s so terrible

    you can read about it on the link i posted above

  340. I’ve always hated Imus, a republican tool member for many many moons;

    During the April 17 edition of Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus asserted that Sen. Barack Obama is “almost a bigger pussy than” Sen. Hillary Clinton. While discussing the April 16 Democratic debate, Imus said he thought that co-moderator George Stephanopoulos was “great” and that the debate was “fine,” adding: “I thought Senator Obama was on the defensive most of the night. But they’re both sissy boys or sissy girls, or whatever. Because they talk big when they’re out on the campaign trail, wolfing on each other.” News anchor Charles McCord interjected, “But then,” and Imus continued: “And then when they show up at the debate, they fold up like a couple of cheap lawn chairs. I mean, I don’t understand that. And he’s almost a bigger pussy than she is.”

  341. I’m checked into Keith Olberman and it’s all quiet over there. This is called Progressive run amuck…I can’t believe how rude and arrogant these people are….they would trash our values and beliefs because they THINK we are stupid and don’t see what going on.

    They totally are drunk on the little power they think they have…it’s amazing to see us going down the drain.

    Like I said many times now I will not vote for Obama. I think he’s dangerous, I don’t like the tactics used and the disrepect sprewed out of the mouth of his supporters and as long as the Democratic Leadership think this is acceptable…then my loyalty is for the person and that person is Hillary.

    Remember I’ve been label as a traitor to my race, a Sellout by Rev. Wright so my disgust in the party’s weak ass leadership should not be missed by Obama.

  342. Posted April 17, 2008 9:55 PM
    The Swamp

    by John McCormick and Mark Silva

    Hillary Clinton was already billed as a guest of the Colbert Report tonight, but her rival was not in the announced lineup.

    “I really wish Sen. Obama could have joined us tonight,” Colbert said in the taping of the show, part of which had been taped with Clinton earlier.

    “So do I, Stephen,” said Obama, out of sight but connected by earpiece.

    ‘Sen. Obama!… Can you hear me?” asked the Comedy Central host, who had finished a skit with Clinton coming to the show’s technical rescue. “Won’t Sen. Clinton be happy that she fixed our screen?”

    “I’m sure she will, Stephen. I’m sure she will.”

    “I enjoyed the debate last night, though I have to take issue with you calling some of the questions manufactured political distractions,” Colbert said.

    “Well Stephen” the senator said, ” I think the American people are tired of these political games and petty distractions

    “Sir, speaking for the news media, speaking for the news media, we are not tired of it,” Colbert said. “It allows us to ask the same questions over and over again. It’s a lot less work.”

    “Stephen, these distractions they won’t help us fix our economy, they won’t help get people health care. They won’t get us out of Iraq. Stephen, I would go so far as to say I want to put these political distractions on notice.”

    Colbert: “What!?”

    Obama: “Boys, bring out the on notice board.”

    Colbert. “Senator, I have to warn you, I probably don’t have a card for distractions.”

    Colbert sifted through a card-box, saying, “Let me I see, I’ve got Dimetapp, Dionne Warwick, Deion Sanders, Dion comma Celine, Dirigibiles, There we go! Distractions!

    “Okay senator, uh, something’s gonna have to come off, what should I remove?”

    Obama: “Well it can’t be grizzly bears, they are the number one threat to America.”

    Colbert: “Good man.”

    Obama: “I think we should take off James Brady, he’s a good guy.”

    Colbert: “All right, Brady. This is your lucky day….Okay here we go – distractions, I hope you’re paying attention….Wham! How’s that taste?”

    Obama: “Manufactured, manufactured political distractions, you are officially on notice.”

    “Thank you Senator Obama,” Colbert said to audiences in North Carolina and Philadelphia. “Thank you Philly!”

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  343. Keep demeaning and dismissing Hillary Clinton because it will help our girl…What a bunch of egotistical fools.

    If they think this is going to help them in the G.E. they got another thing coming.

    This is to push her out of the election and treat her like she doesn’t deserve the respect she earned. Another Iron my shirt moment…all that do is get me fired up.

    Wow, this is an glorious fight for the heart and soul of the party.

  344. That’s the second time he has used a comedy show to attack her. I really hate him. What the hell is Colbert’s problem? What an effing jerk. Obama doesn’t even have a sense of humor. There is nothing funny there.

  345. did you catch that it was a last minute “surprise”…. he called up and taped right after the debate!!!

  346. Seriously, what is that? That’s just really mean spirited. Where was Stephen Colbert when Obama was pushing the Iowa tip story, or the “switcher”. or Hill’s taxes, or Bosnia, or D-Punjab? What the hell? What a sexist.

  347. my mistake, this is what was written

    Mr. Obama recorded his segment Thursday evening from East Carolina University in Greenville, N.C., where a campaign rally had just concluded. His appearance – the show’s closing – was designed to be a surprise. But from this end of the broadcast, it was unclear if the Senator’s Comedy Central appearance included comedy.

  348. As long as women put up with this frat boy crap and not use our power this is what going to happen when men think we’ve stepped out of our place.

    John Kerry is up for reelection in MA and doesn’t have any problem with the tactics that was used against Geraldine Ferraro and others because they think we will support the party line no matter what…pat us on top of our heads and say, no you don’t deserve the respect to earned.

    This is Liberal elitism against those in the party that don’t walk in lock step with them.

  349. just found this posted over on TM


    Obama’s brushing his shoulders off gesture was also yet another race-baiting “dog whistle”.

    There is a song “Dirt Off Yor Shoulder” by Jay-Z (same rap artist who sings “99 Problems But the Bitch Ain’t One”.

    From wikipedia:
    “Dirt off Your Shoulder” is the second single released from Jay-Z’s 2003 album The Black Album. After the release of the song, the phrase “get that dirt off your shoulder” became common amongst youth. When used colloquially, this phrase means to get enemies off your chest by brushing your shoulders off. It peaked at #5 on the Billboard Hot 100.

    Check out these links:

    Zazzle T-shirt: Obama get the status quo off your shoulder

    Urban Dictionary: Brush Your Shoulders Off

    Jay-Z Lyrics: Dirt Off Your Shoulder

  350. confloyd Says:
    April 17th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    So what happened on Colbert? Did they pull one on Hillary or what?

    Huh? I just got home, started reading latest messages paging up to this through the quotes from the Colbert show. They all sounded okay to me, what’s offensive to HIllary? She fixes a problem with the screen, then he has Obama acting stupid again.

  351. I guess you are right, 1950. But it seems intended for BO to steal her thunder. He’s completely humorless though.

  352. CALLER: Mega dittos, Commander Limbaugh.

    RUSH: Thank you, sir.

    CALLER: I am heading up Operation Chaos here at my school, Wake Forest, and I won a front row ticket tomorrow to a Hillary Clinton event with Maya Angelou. I need your advice. I don’t know what to do. This is beyond my knowing what to do with Operation Chaos. Do I ask a flattering question? Do I go after her?

    RUSH: How do you know you’ll get a chance to ask her a question?

    CALLER: That’s what I’ve been told. I entered a lottery to be one of the special people, and apparently I am. Apparently, they know nothing about me.

    RUSH: And when is this?

    CALLER: Tomorrow. Six o’clock.

    RUSH: Six o’clock tomorrow. You want to know what question to ask Mrs. Clinton.

    CALLER: The only thing I’ve thought about is saying to her that I recently changed my registration so that I could vote for her in the primary, trying to get her guard down, then ask her what she thinks of having your support.

    RUSH: No, no, no. Do not bring my name up.

    CALLER: Okay.

    RUSH: Operation Chaos operatives are trained professionals. We’re not going to portray that we’re in there for sabotage.

    CALLER: Okay.

    RUSH: Cheap little theatrics like that are performed by much lesser radio hosts.

    CALLER: That’s true. I’m sorry.

    RUSH: You’re going to go in there and you’re going to ask a serious question. You can tell her that you switched registration to vote for her because you really want her to win the Democratic nomination, but as bad as Obama did in the debate on Wednesday night, what is the problem in putting him away? How come you just can’t seem to put him away? He’s making more and more mistakes; he has lost his image of messiah; his association with known radical figures has been documented. What is the problem you and your campaign are having? Don’t make it personal. What is the problem you and your campaign are having in gaining ground and closing this guy out?

    CALLER: That sounds fantastic.

    RUSH: It is. It’s a serious question. The question might make the news if you ask it right and her answer might make the news if you ask it right.

    CALLER: Well, I’ll have to practice tonight.

  353. 1950democrat, I couldn’t figure it out by the posts, I am glad I was worried, since it was a surprise by Obama. You can’t trust these media people!

  354. LA Times now has Obamas one finger salute to Hillary

  355. story is also posted here, which is where TM got it and has it cross referenced

  356. I don’t know about you guys, I have had it with Osama supporters immature and poisonous postings. I am taking mine to the streets. I am now about taking him down.

  357. This song that Barack is using to show his young supporters that he is hype. Dusting off his enemies! Is he a little old to be listening to hip/hop music. I can’t really imagine he has time to know about all the top 100 hits. The man must be a player in disguise, I mean he wants us to think hes some family man/ Christian and he listens to this hip/hop stuff. Something is not right here. I bet this sinclair thing is true. He just does not add up!!

  358. Wagner, it’s Obama. not sure what you are saying.

    Hill was fantastic on Colbert, but I stopped watching after that.

  359. After accessing the posts and watching bambi for months, what in the hell in Dean, Kennedy, and Kerry thinking. I mean, I would think they would be better patriots than this. This man is a walking disaster!! Why can’t they and the SD’s see this!! What in the hell is wrong with our government officials?

  360. What I am saying is I have taken the high road up to this point when I post on the message boards. This flipping off the Senator has broken my will to take the high road. I am going to start trash talking Obama just like they do to Senator Clinton. For me its “BHO is friends with people who tried to blow up innocent Americans.” No more “He’s not experienced enough” stuff for me.

  361. Hi all. Has anyone seen any further information about the alleged BHO arrest that was mentioned in the Phil Hendrie show link? I tried googling it but couldn’t find any sort of follow-up on the story.

  362. with ya..I bet this sinclair thing is true. He just does not add up!!..and ls is going to post on du and public citzen shortly.something isnt adding up


    not just to disney employees, but they’ve done it to sd’s, to AA’s, to hillary, and most important AT THE CAUCUSES..


    people should know how pushy and rude and threatening they are…

  364. Patrick Murphy is on my list of Obama supporters who will lose thier seats in congress. I am going to donate to Tom Manion his opponent in November. Dumb ass Murphy only won his seat by 1500 votes to begin with and instead of worrying about re-election this fool thinks Obama will get him re-elected.

  365. I just went over to DU, I can’t believe the comments over the finger thing, what is wrong with people anyway?

  366. Admin, if you are around, one of my friends registered at least a month ago and hasn’t been able to get on the site yet, her name is HillaryWillWin. Can you please approve her?

  367. WAGNER,

    nothing like releasing that negative energy…
    i love to get on the blogs, AND GET DOWN AND VICIOUS WITH THE CRACK HEADS…




    RUSH: James in Portland, Maine. I’m glad you called, sir. Welcome to the EIB Network.

    CALLER: Yeah, thanks, Rush. Yeah, I actually, just like that other guy, I used to be a Democrat, was just the way I was brought up, and everybody was a Democrat so I was a Democrat, too, and I’ve been listening to you most of the time for about 20 years and to be honest, I really —

    RUSH: Thank you. Thanks very much.

    CALLER: To be honest, I’m one of your listeners that doesn’t really like some of your humor.

    RUSH: You don’t like some of my humor, did you say?

    CALLER: Some of your humor.

    RUSH: Yeah.

    CALLER: Reverend Jackson and some of that stuff and the Magic Negro stuff. I’m not really down with that stuff. But, as far as the Democratic Party, they don’t have any respect for dissenting opinions, and my opinion on plenty of things is not with the Democratic Party. That’s why I’m an Independent. And I know a lot of people, like-minded, like me, and it’s ridiculous. People ask me why I voted for George Bush. And believe me, if I had the chance again, I probably would have just sat that one out.

    RUSH: (laughing.)

    CALLER: (laughing)

    RUSH: I love your humor.

    CALLER: You know what I mean? But it’s like if you disagree with Democrats on anything, you’re a hatemonger, which is the furthest thing from the truth. I love my country.

    RUSH: They are a very intolerant bunch, especially with their own.

    CALLER: Yeah. I was at a NAACP Image Award thing, and my mother was getting an award because she’s up there, and she’s a great woman —

    RUSH: Where was it? Where was this meeting?

    CALLER: It was a couple of years ago, it was at Sable Oaks, and it wasn’t a meeting, it was like a banquet and Hillary gave a speech —

    RUSH: But was it in Maine?

    CALLER: Oh, yeah, it was in South Portland.

    RUSH: Well, you know, I didn’t —

    CALLER: Yeah, she gave a speech, and believe me it was a run-up to her running for the presidency. And every time she would stop talking everybody was clapping except for, thank God, the one other person in the room that didn’t like her was sitting at my table.

    RUSH: (laughing)

    CALLER: (laughter) And so she got a standing ovation a couple times, but this other lady, she was a black lady, too —

    RUSH: Was the Reverend Jackson there, any of the big-timers?

    CALLER: No. Hillary was the only —

    RUSH: She was the showcase, huh?

    CALLER: — national thing, yeah, because mostly it was for the Portland branch of the NAACP and various awards were given out, but she was there, and it was just like, wow, like everybody — you know, and I betcha, I guarantee you, 80% of the people that were in that room giving her a standing O, wanting her to run for the presidency, are on Barack Obama’s side now. They don’t think! They don’t think!

    RUSH: Amen! Amen, James, you are exactly right. They don’t think. They’re running around feeling. Quite amazing, two calls in a row here from disgruntled Democrats over the Stalinist-like characteristics of the party. Gotta run into the school parking lot and turn the radio down if you’re listening to me so your friends don’t hear it. Ex-Democrat in the last case, James is now an Independent.


  369. as noquarter says if we can get this middle finger vid out to msm it will kill his campaign . period. i just sent it out to msm friends etc.. if u do one thing right now is work on getting this out. i mean this is bad

  370. International Herald Tribune
    Superdelegates unswayed by Clinton’s attacks

    By Patrick Healy
    Friday, April 18, 2008

    Throughout their contentious debate on Wednesday, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton tried again and again to put Senator Barack Obama on the defensive in a pointed effort, her advisers say, to raise doubts about his electability among a small but powerful audience: the uncommitted superdelegates who will most likely determine the nomination.

    But although Clinton gave it her best shot in what might have been their final debate, interviews on Thursday with a cross-section of these superdelegates — members of Congress, elected officials and party leaders — showed that none had been persuaded much by her attacks on Obama’s strength as a potential Democratic nominee, his recent gaffes and his relationships with his former pastor and with a onetime member of the Weather Underground.

    In fact, the Obama campaign announced endorsements from two more superdelegates on Thursday, after rolling out three on Wednesday and two others since late last week in what appeared to be an orchestrated show of strength before Tuesday’s Pennsylvania primary. Obama advisers said that one of the pickups on Thursday, Councilman Harry Thomas Jr. of the District of Columbia, had initially favored Clinton, but Clinton advisers denied that, and a Thomas aide said he had been neutral before Thursday.

    In interviews, 15 uncommitted superdelegates said they did not believe that recent gaffes by both candidates would carry any particular influence over their final decision. They said they had particularly tired of all the attention, by the Clinton campaign and the news media, on Obama’s recent comment that some Americans were “bitter” over the economy and chose to “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a result.

    And if there were some moments of concern reflected in the debate — the talk of Clinton’s high unfavorability ratings, Obama’s flashes of annoyance — they all doubted that those moments would be deal-breakers, either. Instead, most of the superdelegates said they wanted to wait for the results of at least the next major primaries — in Pennsylvania on Tuesday and Indiana and North Carolina two weeks later — before choosing a candidate.

    “I feel like we’ve heard a lot about gaffes as they relate to electability, but what really matters to people is how to deal with the economy and create jobs,” said John Olsen, an uncommitted superdelegate from Connecticut and president of the AFL-CIO there. “I also want to wait and hear from all of the Democrats in the primaries and caucuses who haven’t had a chance to choose and vote yet.”

    Clinton advisers acknowledged that they had not seen short-term evidence that their attacks on Obama were winning over many superdelegates, and they acknowledged that he had picked up more in recent weeks — though she maintained a narrowing overall lead in them. They predicted, however, that the mounting scrutiny of Obama would lead superdelegates to cool to his candidacy and come to see her as more of a known quantity, battle tested, and shrewd about the best ways to beat the presumptive Republican nominee, Senator John McCain, in the fall.

    “When it comes to picking a candidate, automatic delegates don’t want to guess about what lies behind Door No. 2, they want to know,” said Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman. “The debate raised more questions about Senator Obama than have been answered, and that means that automatic delegates are likely to keep their powder dry as the process moves forward.”

    In response, an Obama spokeswoman, Hari Sevugan, said Thursday: “Since Feb. 5, Senator Obama has garnered the support of 80 superdelegates to Senator Clinton’s 5. We’ll let the results of Senator Clinton’s ‘kitchen sink’ strategy speak for themselves.”

    Some Clinton advisers also said that the focus on Obama’s “guns or religion” comment was a way to put him on the spot with so-called values voters — in part to offset Clinton’s baggage in this area. According to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, conducted March 28-April 2 with 1,196 registered voters nationwide, 60 percent of them believe Clinton shared the values that most Americans tried to live by, and 34 percent did not. Both Obama and McCain fared better, with Obama performing best — 70 percent said he shared those values, and 21 percent said he did not.

    Some of the uncommitted superdelegates interviewed said they were concerned about whether Obama reflected the values and interests of voters in states that Democrats intend to carry in November or hope to steal from Republicans, like some Southern states that they typically do not win in a general election. Yet they said they had had these concerns for some time — and Wednesday night’s debate had not intensified them.

    “Obama argues that he will put more states in play, but I haven’t seen him put the coalitions together as strongly as we need to,” said Joe Turnham, an uncommitted superdelegate who is chairman of the Alabama Democratic Party. ( Obama won the Alabama primary in February; Turnham has known the Clintons for many years.)

    “You have to put together blue-collar workers, veterans, seniors and swing evangelical voters and compete in states like West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania,” Turnham added. “I feel like Hillary has shown more strength there.”

    Obama sought to allay concerns about questions of his electability on Thursday. At a campaign stop in Raleigh, North Carolina, a woman told Obama that he was “really pummeled during the debate.” She continued, “What is your strategy to beat the Republicans in November?”

    “That was the rollout of the Republican campaign against me in November. It happened just a little bit early, but that is what they will do,” Obama said. “They will try to focus on all these issues that don’t have anything to do with how you are paying your bills at the end of the month. There’s no doubt that I will have to respond sharply and crisply, then pivot to talk about what exactly are we going to do for the economy and what are we going to do about the war in Iraq.”

    Until the nominating fight ends, Obama said, he is “trying to show some restraint.” He added, “I won’t have as much restraint with the Republicans.”

    Supporters of Obama have expressed concern about the ferocity of the Democratic race, particularly with Clinton and McCain sounding similar themes of criticism against Obama. They used Wednesday’s debate as the latest example to superdelegates that the prolonged nominating fight could be damaging to the party.

    “And I have to say Senator Clinton looked in her element,” Obama said, speaking to an audience of North Carolina voters. “She was taking every opportunity to get a dig in there. You know, that’s all right. That’s her right. That’s her right to kind of twist the knife a little bit.”

    Indeed, several superdelegates said they had been put off by negative moments in the debate.

    “What I’m hearing from voters in this state who have been uncommitted or not solidly behind any candidate is that they are increasingly frustrated with the negativism going on, mostly on her side,” said Patricia Waak, the Colorado state party chairwoman. ( Obama won the Colorado primary in a landslide.)

    “In general what I heard this morning was just negative, negative, negative,” Waak said. “As far as Obama’s comment on guns and religion, mostly what I’ve heard from people in general is, ‘It’s true.’ ”

    One superdelegate, Reggie Whitten of Oklahoma, endorsed Obama on Tuesday because, he said, he believed the candidate needed a new public vote as the Clinton camp was battering him daily over the “bitter” remark.

    “I don’t think all of this divisiveness is helping him, so it was a good time to send a signal of support from a conservative state like Oklahoma that we believe in him,” said Whitten, a lawyer from a suburb of Oklahoma City.

  371. TEXAN 4,

    if you send it out to DAVID GREGORY, he’ll put it on.
    he’s new, and trying to get attention, plus he’s not real happy O.B, cause of the whole imus thing…

    david was a friend of imus…

  372. Rendell, post-debate, said he was very disappointed in ABC for their ‘gotcha’ issues the first 45 minutes. WTF?

    That’s at least strike 4 for Gov. Rendell, our ‘key’ supporter, for those keeping score at home.

  373. I can already hear his defense for finger-gate. ‘Well, you know, I uh, I touched my face with my uh, fingers, uh, quite a bit during the speech. I uh, I did it on more than one occasion in that uh, clip you just uh, showed.”

    I think this was premeditated, and in order to provide cover for himself, he touched his face with his other fingers during the speech too. That way he can say the flip-off was just a coincidence.

    What a slimy, sneaky little rat BHO is.

  374. So, it is okay for BO, to be negative towards Hillary, but her campaign cannot fight back??? This is a campaign, not a tea party.

    what is going on with Rendell???

  375. You guys, I don’t know if gettting that finger out there will help. Obama will just use it to prove his case that these attacks have gotten silly and he’ll get sympathy. I think it is dangerous to push this.


    it needs to get out even if he denies it, it will leave an impressiong on voters minds

    let the voters decide if he did or not

  377. Levon,
    “in order to provide cover for himself, he touched his face with his other fingers during the speech too. That way he can say the flip-off was just a coincidence.”

    I thought that exact thing too when I saw it.

  378. Blue Democrat: From listening to Ed Rendell over the years on various talk shows, I can tell you that his first loyalty is to the democratic party. He’s a great Hillary supporter and very loyal to the Clintons, but there are some lines that he won’t cross because he wants to stay loyal to the democratic party.

  379. Guys, go over to TM, last two posts. Appears that Obama did the finger thing at two diifferent speeches today. That’s what it looks like.

    what do you think?

  380. I know, we had this discussion last week Levon.

    My feeling was & is that it’s ‘You’re either with us or against us’ time.’

    There is no Dem party anymore, just the Clintons on one side and a bunch of sneaky, devious retards that have done everything in their power to strip this nomination from her – even though they know it’s not in the best interests of the country. So F’em.

    Feel free to disagree, of course. But as our most recognizable spokesperson in an absolutely must-have state,
    Rendell’s really been ticking me off.

  381. From TM


    Look at the two clips everyone!!! He did it twice. In the one Taylor posted there are two women sitting behind him to the left. In this one there are men!!! Does anyone else see this or am I crazy!!??
    njbitch | 04.17.2008 – 11:28 pm | #

    I have two 30 inch monitors and Navyvet and I compared the two videos and looked up his schedule.

    He was in two places today—Raleigh and Greenville==are these two videos at those locations?

    Then we looked at the background of the two videos—he is to the right of the banner background on one and to the left of the background on the second. And of course the crowds differ.

    The common dominator is that he does the same finger gesture and speech in both—this is BIG if indeed.

    Will someone else investigate this further.
    energy | 04.17.2008 – 11:47 pm | #

    Here are the links of the videos we are referencing in Fingergate x2
    energy | 04.17.2008 – 11:59 pm | #


    Ok everyone, if this is true and he “scratched” his face at two diffirent events at exactly the same monment in the same speech , then we have him. He flipped her the bird on purpose and he should be finished!!!! Take alook everyone and send this info far and wide. It needs to go viral!!!!

  382. Healey hates Hill. I wouldn’t pay much attention. But Hill hasn’t “attacked” him. This is a campaign, not a tea party. Actually, the full quote from Rendell is funny, and he gave Hill high praise.

  383. HillBillyLover,

    I think you make a very good point about the backfiring aspect of finger-gate, however, I think it’s pretty obvious he meant to do it. Most people can relate to flipping off someone in that matter, I’ve know several people who do that very same thing. I wouldn’t mind seeing it blow up in his smug little face over the weekend, that’s for sure.

    If I had to pick, however, I’d rather see his feet held to the fire on obvious lies he made during the debate, such as not filling out the gun ban questionnaire. I didn’t hear that mentioned much at all today, but it’s something that can be proven, and in my mind much more significant than the bosnia remark Hillary made. It’s an obvious attempt to have 2 positions on an important general election issue. He was for the total gun ban before he was against it, just like he was for public GE funding before he was against it. It’s also something that falls right into his pattern of present votes and ‘oops, i pushed the wrong button’ votes. He never seems to want to take a definite stand on any of the hard issues. To me it just says that he doesn’t have the guts to make decisions that will be necessary for a President to make.

    Again, what a slimy and sneaky little rat BHO is.

  384. Damn, I can’t get on TM. Wish I could see the other two. He also does something after brushing his shoulder in which he appaers to be brushing dog poop off his shoe. Classy.

  385. You know, it seems like Hill and Edwards can laugh at themselves, while BO used his appearance as a cheap shot. I think he flopped.

  386. Blue Democrat,

    I totally agree with you on the bunker mentality thing. I wasn’t defending him, but just trying to explain why I felt he was saying some of the things he was.

  387. I agree, Levon it would be better if we can get those lies he told out there. I’m so disgusted to see everyone kissing this guy’s ass. The truth needs to be told.

  388. CO Senior,
    Tough to tell, gotta watch them a few more times.

    Levon, I know. And I thik you’re right, that’s why he saying them – I think. I’m very leary of trusting anyone right now, moreso than usual.

    Which means, basically, complete paranoia 🙂

  389. From TM

    LA Times Blog video one-fingered salute, and:
    the CBS video

    they are completely different angles and he is wearing the same tie, but the phrasing itself sounds different to me. You may want to listen for yourself and decide…

  390. From TM

    LA Times Blog video one-fingered salute, and:
    the CBS video

    they are completely different angles and he is wearing the same tie, but the phrasing itself sounds different to me. You may want to listen for yourself and decide…

  391. Most of the time when Edwards or Hillary joke, it is at their own expense (or the Republicans).

    Obama’s “funny” lines are almost ALWAYS a dig at someone else, never himself. He is an arrogant narcissist.

  392. If any of the big news organizations wanted to debut finger-gate on the air, I think they would need to go back over his speeches for the last few weeks to see how often he does the ‘middle-finger to face routine’ during a speech when he’s NOT attacking or taking a jab at Hillary.

    If they have plenty of evidence to REFUTE ANY BS that you know BHO will dish out regarding the finger, they could make him look like a bigger tool than he already does.

  393. ATTENTION: Check these lovely lyrics that BO is apparently referring to with his “dust off your shoulder” gesture.
    (This is just one verse, there’s more)

    *** Note the line about a middle finger*********

    Now this can be something serious.

    “You’re now tuned into the muh’fuckin greatest
    Turn the music up in the headphones
    Tim, you can go and brush your shoulder off nigga
    I got you, yeah

    [Chorus: Jay-Z]
    If you feelin like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off
    Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
    Niggaz is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you
    Get, that, dirt off your shoulder

    [Verse One]
    I probably owe it to y’all, proud to be locked by the force
    Tryin to hustle some things, that go with the Porsche
    Feelin no remorse, feelin like my hand was forced
    Middle finger to the law, nigga grip’n my balls
    All the ladies they love me, from the bleachers they screamin
    All the ballers is bouncin they like the way I be leanin
    All the rappers be hatin, off the track that I’m makin
    But all the hustlers they love it just to see one of us make it
    Came from the bottom the bottom, to the top of the pots
    Nigga London, Japan and I’m straight off the block
    Like a running back, get it man, I’m straight off the block
    I can run it back nigga cause I’m straight with the Roc

  394. I have read on Hill’s blog that a number of people feel when he shook her hand at the debate, he squeezed it so hard, it appears she is in pain. Did anyone see this?

  395. here’s the rest..

    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder
    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder
    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder
    You gotta get, that, dirt off your shoulder

    [Verse Two]
    Your homey Hov’ in position, in the kitchen with soda
    I just whipped up a watch, tryin to get me a Rover
    Tryin to stretch out the coca, like a wrestler, yessir
    Keep the Heckler close, you know them smokers’ll test ya
    But like, fifty-two cards when I’m, I’m through dealin
    Now fifty-two bars come out, now you feel ’em
    Now, fifty-two cars roll out, remove ceiling
    In case fifty-two broads come out, now you chillin
    with a boss bitch of course S.C. on the sleeve
    At the 40/40 club, ESPN on the screen
    I paid a grip for the jeans, plus the slippers is clean
    No chrome on the wheels, I’m a grown-up for real

    [Chorus + Chorus Two]

    [Verse Three]
    Your boy back in the building, Brooklyn we back on the map
    Me and my beautiful beeeeeeeitch in the back of that ‘Bach
    I’m the realest that run it, I just happen to rap
    I ain’t gotta clap at ’em, niggaz scared of that black
    I drop that +Black, Album+ then I back, out it
    As the best rapper alive nigga ask about me
    From Bricks to Billboards, from grams to Grammys
    The O’s to opposite, Orphan Annie
    You gotta pardon Jay, for sellin out the Garden in a day
    I’m like a young Marvin in his hey’
    I’m a hustler homey, you a customer crony
    Got some, dirt on my shoulder, could you brush it off for me?

    [Chorus + Chorus Two]

    You’re now tuned into the muh’fuckin greatest

    Best rapper alive, best rapper alive

  396. djia,

    I’ve viewed those videos a few times now, and I gotta admit I think they are from the same speech. I noticed that, a few seconds before he flipped-off Hillary, he sort of shrugs his shoulders, then does gestures with both of his hands a couple of times before the grand finale. He does this in the exact some way in both videos in my opinion.

  397. ok compare these two videos

    white guy……white crowd behind him :

    AA guy behind to the side of him and AA all around behind him as well……notice the wt girl with the black tank top and the AA behind her at the very back scroll down to the bottom for the heading “Obama on debate: ‘Sen. Clinton looked in her element’

    now look at the other video again…… you see them???

  398. It’s a different angle so you’re seeing different portions of the audience, I think. Have to check it again.

    But Holy Smokes, look at these lyrics he’s referencing!!!
    Sounds like it could be the Reverend Wright!! (there’s a natural tie-in)
    This is more militant shit, like Farakhan and Ayers and the rest.
    This shit will not fly in the Red States Mr. New Politics claims he can win.

    Hey, were you guys referring to the handshake at the beginning or end?

  399. Blue Dem, that’s what scares me. It really seems like a lot of SDs are incredibly effing stupid and blinded by a combination of CDS and misogyny. I don’t know how it’s possible to reach people that dumb. Maybe we should provide flashcards to their kids so they can explain the Electoral College to their parents.

  400. djia,

    The camera angles are completely different in the 2 videos. The white guy and the black guy are in 2 different spots in the crowd. Neither would be visible in the other video due to the angle.

  401. Hey you could be right too… i’m not a video expert 🙂 The point is, is that it’s pretty obvious what he was doing.

  402. Two events or not (and there would definitely be multiple angles in existence from all of his events if he did do it twice), I’d think DOING IT ONCE, with lyrics like these, should be enough to give he & Axelrod headaches for another week.

    “Middle finger to the law, nigga grip’n my balls”

    Conduct unbecoming.
    Unfit to lead.

  403. Who are these people who like him? Do you see them whooping and hollaring while he blatantly bashes Hill for his poor debate performance? Tehy just love it. There like, gosh, your hate is so hopeful. Freaks me out.

  404. My God, look at these revolting headlines from WaPo.

    Obama Looks to Turn Debate Into a Victory
    ‘Elitist’: The Rarefied Term That’s a Low Blow
    ’60s Radical Considered Mainstream in Chicago

  405. la times claims this will be a huge story thru the weekend-

  406. Obama Looks to Turn Debate Into a Victory
    ‘Elitist’: The Rarefied Term That’s a Low Blow
    ’60s Radical Considered Mainstream in Chicago


  407. Howard Wofson on conference call today (full audio)

    h t t p : / /

  408. SUSA has 14 new state-wide polls out (not sure if mentioned)

    Boy, they really don’t like BO in Kentucky.

  409. “There like, gosh, your hate is so hopeful.”

    LOL They’re like, ‘How can he be negative towards her, she’s not a real human or anything, she deserves all his attacks.’

  410. bluedem

    just took a look at those polls, i didn’t know about them, thanks

    it sure does look like she will do well…….but i wonder why they didn’t poll IN and NC??

  411. My question is if we have pelosi and Dean running the dnc and george bush running the country, how can we say that the superdelegates are any brighter? I in the last 15 months have been amazed at the progression with this guy to seeming like maybe a nice man to this rotten two faced asshole and his wife to! Think about it this way its like a day to day documentry and at some point people start to see you for who you really are, in this election we never knew the anchors or the reporters or even the people that run our country as well as we have lately and I mean the real them! Hillary can at times make things stretch but hey, she is a politician and we got to do what we got to do BUT she has proven to be wonderful and she is busting ass to make her point for months, flipping her off! wtf! I can’t stand Obamas support group! I live in a college town of San Luis Obispo and man im 32 and I have never seen more stupid college kids in my life! Rich people not all but most are angry egotistical troubled people they think everyone owes them. African americans I love like everyone but they are pulled because of race but man I wish they didn’t see him for his race but for his racial ignorance! Sorry rant!!

  412. Don’t you find it funny that BHO claims that Hillary should not get the credit for the things Bill did while he was in office, but they have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with saddling Hillary with anything negative that occurred while Bill has in office. The fact that they brought up the 2 members of the WU whose sentences Bill commuted is yet another example of this. Hillary had nothing to do with that.

    Yet more hypocrisy from BHO and his gang of thugs. Speaking out of both sides of his face like the slimy, sneaky little rat that he is.

  413. Levon,

    In the least, I don’t find it funny 🙂

    To be fair, it in part stems from their reluctance to actively promote what they accomplished in 90’s, which was truly heroic.
    They’ve been in a defensive posture about it rather than telling the story.
    It’s been very noble of Hill to try and run on her own merits, but not necessary and a luxury she can’t afford with everything against her.

    Watch this, tell me what you think;

  414. She tried several times to bring up the 90’s and the press called her a relic and said she took too much credit.

    Seriously, there is something so effing disturbing about this. I can’t tolerate it. Why wont the press just act like a free press instead of an arm of the BO campaign?

  415. texan,
    Ms Strattel gets off a few good lines, (“He’d actually created the perception that to challenge him was to challenge “hope” itself.), however the assertion that the media is no longer in the tank for BO isn’t what I’d call spot on.

  416. Blue Democrat,

    You’re right, Hillary and her campaign have seemingly bent over backwards to emphasize that she is running on her own merits, and in doing so they have negated what would have probably been her greatest strength; the greatness of our country during the 2 Clinton administrations, and the rosy promise of a 3rd one.

    I’ve heard pundit after pundit explain that in order to be seen as commander-in-chief, she needed to distance herself from her husband to show that she could make it on her own. Apparently she felt the same way. In retrospect I’m not sure how much difference it would have made in the long run. I guess that’s something else the pundits can discuss ad infinitum.

    That was a great video by the way. I’ll show my mom that because I know it will make her proud to see Hillary standing up for us common folks.

  417. Levon,

    The absolute key point, what hasn’t been touched on at all in this campaign, is that the trends they reversed in 93 are the same ones that need reversing now.

    Only two people truly know what it takes, and she’s married to the other one. Thanks on the vid.

  418. “My question is if we have pelosi and Dean running the dnc and george bush running the country, how can we say that the superdelegates are any brighter?”

    I don’t know, but SDs are elected officials. You’d like to think they have elementary common sense about how to run campaigns. You’d like to think that the fact that he can’t win a major Democratic primary state would set off alarm bells. You’d like to think they don’t ask their dogs who they should vote for.

  419. Blue Democrat,

    I couldn’t agree more.

    I keep telling everyone within earshot that only Hillary and her supporters know how to win a general election as a democrat. BHO’s surrounded himself with supporters who have a long, depressing history of losing.

  420. Here’s some great news for Hillary, ALP is helping out with some nice-sized ad buys in PA.

  421. hey all – dropping in late night…

    Fingergate is hilarious. This whole thing is getting insane – the closest I’ve ever come to feeling like I live in the Twilight Zone.

    I watched the two different videos – the LA Times one and the CBS one and yes, they are two different audiences, so he PLANNED this at two different events. The next Twilight Zone thing that will happen is the press will defend the gesture and say that it makes him look more Presidential and shows his fighting spirit against McCain. Life is getting very weird.

  422. Levon,

    Well, elections are one thing, governing another.

    Can you imagine this wishy-washy, inexperienced, melts-in-the-heat copycat inheriting perhaps the worst domestic & foreign policy disasters in U.S. history?

    Not good.

  423. Time to hit the sack for me… I’ve got some work deadlines coming up early next week and I haven’t made a lot of headway on it for about 4 days now 🙂 Working from home, combined with this primary seaons, is the worst thing that ever happened to my productivity!!

  424. hi hillfans. had a ok night at work. anyway i donated a little more money to hillary earlier today. i hope she will be well funded for pa.

  425. Blue Democrat,

    You’re right. And the Clinton’s have the brains to do both very well! BHO reminds me so much of a liberal version of GWB that it’s not even funny.

    Now I’m out of here!

  426. i see the nutkooks and obamabots are still seething over the chosen one’s treatment at the debate. let em whine.

  427. If it is the ad on the youtube page, I hate it. It attacks BO’s plan. I’d have preferred a positive ad.

  428. This was posted at the LA Times page:

    He FLIPPED THE BIRD – AT TWO DIFFERENT EVENTS – at the same point in his speech – so this is planned gesture:

    This is the CBS video which is an entirely different audience in the background:

  429. I am so pissed that this ALP group of idiots couldn’t just get together a positive ad praising Hill’s health plan.

  430. hmmm, maybe wishful thinking HillBillyLover – hoping it was two events. I now the videos were taken at different angles, but the audience does look different to me. I can’t locate the ones right behind him on either the video provided by CBS or here

    another topic:

    the new meme from the DKos crowd, and yes, Jerome Armstrong is right – she would win outright at this point if only democrats were counted in the popular vote: Jerome Armstrong calls out the “tiny tent democrats” and notes: “This, in the context of a discussion about how Clinton is no longer considered a Democrat by many Obama supporters, because she dares to wage a hard-nosed campaign against Obama. The irony being that Clinton leads among Democratic voters in this nomination battle.”

  431. hillary closes strong in pa-

  432. I just looked again. I think these are different. Look at the white girls in back and the different hand gestures following the “bird” gesture.

    He is reading from a script, so the words are the same.

  433. im curious, does anyone know if REV WRIGHT HAS ANY PHOTOS OR VIDEO that has him giving the finger? anybody know?

    (thats a nasty habit… i wonder where ob picked up something so disrespectful.)

  434. as tm says-its going wide now-

  435. “This, in the context of a discussion about how Clinton is no longer considered a Democrat by many Obama supporters, because she dares to wage a hard-nosed campaign against Obama. The irony being that Clinton leads among Democratic voters in this nomination battle.”

    They are completely full of it. They’re just using that as an excuse. I, personally, cannot stand it when Democrats attack other Democrats, I have changed my vote because of it in the past, but he started attacking her long before she ever attacked him (why I started to have such a negative opinion of him), and they didn’t care one bit then. He attacked her, he attacked the Clinton Administration, the whole nine. And that is one big reason (on top of lacking experience and policy expertise) that Democrats do not like him. Democrats are alienated when they see Democratic candidates going around tearing apart one of only two Democratic Presidents in 30 years. It makes us look stupid. Republicans don’t go around attacking Reagan and then expecting their own party to vote for them. It’s not rocket science.


    as a staunch democrat, it pained me to change my affiliation to independant after the 2000 fiasco, but i did. it pained me to stop watching olberman and msnbc after the obvious bias, but i did, it will hurt me to vote republican if obama wins, but i will…

    and by the way, it will hurt me to campaign against all the liberal dems who blantantly fixed this primary, but i guarantee you i will…

  437. “That person is going to banned before sunrise”

    more probably shot before sunrise. Died for the cause.

  438. Actually, it a good video because it takes the video and then takes the audio tapes and how he totally contradicts himself and lies, lies and lies again.

  439. Obama is TOAST and I don’t see Obama winning California…that SUSA poll is too high…he won’t get those numbers in California. He just won’t, I don’t see him winning any counties outside of Northern CA and the counties he run in the primary.

    I just don’t see the Latino and Asians voting for this guy and the Black vote is such a small number in the state.

  440. Obama is in trouble in certain states, I’ve been looking at the new SUSA polls head to head and Obama has a HUGE problem.

    Look at this, in these states, look how much the Democrats in each state they get

    Ohio (a 1/4 of dems lost from Obama)

    Clinton 82% (12% MCain, 6 und)
    Obama 65% (24% Mc 11 UND)

    Massachussets (we will lose this in the GE)

    Clinton 86% (12% Mc 2% und)
    Obama 65%? (28% McCain 7und)

    New Mexico

    Clinton 72% (21% Mc 6 und)
    Obama 64% (29% Mc 7und)


    Clinton 73% (21% Mc 6 und)
    Obama 44%???????? (43% of dems to Mc , 13% und) WTF

    NEW YORK, i smell trouble

    Clinton 82% (10% Mc 8% und)
    Obama 73% in NY (18% Mc 8% und)


    Clinton 76 % 15% Mc 9% U
    Obama 64% 27% Mc 9% U

    I mean wtf

  441. Moononpluto,

    Good video. This adds to the pile of you-know-what he is sitting on. The grandpa was the chief cook, his grandson is the chief crook.

  442. moononpluto – PLEASE send (email) that youtube LIE on BHO to Hannity, Rush, Buchanan, Dobbs, Scarborough, and any writer/journalist with any balls who will give this coverage. GREAT WORK that needs to see the LIGHT OF DAY before TUES! THANK YOU!!!

  443. I need someone else to do it, i am working and living abroad at present and i get blocked filters from these stupid networks.

  444. moononpluto, are you also in China? My stuff gets blocked all the time by the Great Chinese Firewall.

  445. Bottom line, Hillary can hold all Kerry’s states and add OH (all she’d need), Arkansas, New Mexico, and FL. Obama is going to lose at least a couple of Kerry’s states, okay, probably more than a couple, and he’s going to make up those 18+ electoral votes, where?

  446. Un-official Protest Action

    In reaction to Howard Dean’s latest attempt to disenfranchise voters.

    The rules.
    The rules say a candidate needs 2025 pledged delegates to win. Ahead in pledged delegates is NOT the winner. 2025 pledged delegates is the winner.

    So, Howard Dean needs to find a way to get FL/MI to count BEFORE the winner is selected OR his party splits in half. How are we supposed to reconcile the DNC’s and Obama’s blatant effort to steal/fix this nomination?

    How about a protest? To respond to Howard Dean’s undemocratic attempt, let’s send him a message.

    I signed up at and forwarded my welcome to Howard Dean with a note.

    You can copy/paste it into the comments form here

    Anyone want to join me? I protest the DNC’s attempts to block the “will of the people” for his own comfort.

    Anyone want to join me? Thousands of emails might send a message that we are tired of this manipulation. There are two candidates running closely with 10 more states/territories to go.

    Let the Democratic process finish.

  447. so very interesting Moononpluto. I visited there once. Nice bread, friendly people (compared to the treatment I was given in Greece), and that Turkish version of Greek ouzo, radki? Made from anise?

  448. I clicked on the story link myself only because yahoo always has ratings attached to their stories…..surprise this one doesn’t.

  449. headline: In a dramatic reversal, Democrats now see Obama as the party’s best hope in the November election

  450. I’m only igving the headline out ….because basil asked….I normally don’t even post headings like that here.

    So, basil I usually don’t click on the link so as not to give it any popularity….but this time I did because I wanted to rate it….and there are know ratings.

  451. It’s a junk article of course….I suppose on the good side, it shows how desperate the Obama camp is. It shows they are terrified of losing badly on Tuesday.

  452. so don’t even click on the story in order to rate it or give it any popularity. I guess I was just shocked at the blatent pandering.
    The headlines say more that is unbelievable, but I am not posting here.

    I always find it sad when the bias is so blatent, because even though I have no faith in the media anymore at all…seeing these articles just reinforce it.

    …and I still find it sad and disturbing even though I know and expect them to be bias.

  453. Hey guys go to the polling on please she needs are votes! The funny part is that he is very low on ethics and honesty. PLEASE DO THE POLL! YAHOO.COM

  454. DEDGF,

    Yeah but we should do this poll. What do you think? It really is important to at least help the average, because you know that his fans are on it.

  455. I won’t click on anything on yahoo….because I don’t trust them after not having ratings for the story.

  456. Cardinal rule # 1 for Hillary Supporters:

    We will not read, take seriously, be taken in by, give power to by even acknowledging its existence, or in any way be associated with the Obama propaganda machine, also known by the popular name of “mass media.” The only exceptions will be granted when we must go into enemy territory to gather sufficient information to wage political war against our opponent.

    To this we pledge ourselves.

  457. yahoo does have a send feedback button at the bottom of the page where you can tell them you won’t be coming to their website until they clean up their bias

  458. Yahoo poll will change after Hillary wins Pennsylvania. It’s been a long time since the last primaries and that poll is just reflecting the negative attacks over the past weeks of the Obama camp (Hillary should quit, Bosnia etc). After her upcoming primary wins, Hillary leaning voters and undecideds will be reassured she can win and many will get on the bandwagon for her.

  459. Flineo is an amazing video maker he has made amazing anti obama videos all with great points, please if you can, comment him and tell him to keep them up! Please admin if you can post this that would be great.

  460. Obama is a Quayle but hey I’m the worst speller on this blog! lol

    At a rally in Greenville, North Carolina, this evening, Barack Obama encouraged the 8,000 Tarheel Staters to vote early, prior to the state’s May 6th primary.

    To help them figure out how to do that, he encouraged them to call his hotline. 1-888-NC-EARLY. Easy, right?

    “To find the locations and the hours of one stop early vote near you, you can call my hotline, which is 1-888-NC-EARLY,” Obama said. “NC EARLY, E-A-R-E, uh, E-A-R-L-Y. I almost pulled a Dan Quayle there for a second,” he joked.

  461. admin, please remove the post that displays that headline,I don’t even want it posted here….April 18th, 2008 at 7:48 am

  462. Did anyone see this form marsh, this person is a republican that wrote it but man great points!!!

    Donna Brazile is for Obama
    guest post by Masslib

    For the last several months it’s been pretty obvious to anyone who watches CNN, that “neutral” commentator Donna Brazile actually harbors anti-Hillary feelings, if not an outright preference for Obama. CNN decided to bench pundit James Carville because of his pro-Clinton bias. Maybe CNN doesn’t yet believe that Brazile has taken sides. Bothered by her obvious bias, last month I began an e-mail correspondence with Brazile to express my disappointment in her as a DNC leader. I share some of what she wrote back to me below. If CNN doesn’t pull the plug on her after they read this, then Saturday Night Live was right when they said CNN was in the tank for Obama.

    I’m making these e-mails public not just because I don’t want to see her on CNN, but because with rumors afoot of her aspirations to be DNC Chair if Obama becomes the nominee, I think it’s important that Democrats see what they would be in for. While I appreciate her willingness to correspond with me, what you can see in these excerpts is an individual who doesn’t have the political savvy to communicate with the public (keep in mind I was an anonymous stranger when she wrote to me) in an appropriate and pro-Party fashion. You can see that she has no problem creating inferences that Hillary Clinton is a racist. You can see that she feels she has no responsibility to stand up against sexism. And you can see most shockingly that she resents Democrats for leaving her out in the cold since managing Al Gore’s losing 2000 campaign, finding the highest praise not for those in the Party she aspires to lead, but for Republicans. Without further ado, here are some choice excerpts from our exchange. (view emails in their entirety here). Draw your own conclusions.

    Me: I am very disappointed in you. I saw you at the State of the Black Union, and not once did you speak out against a number of sexist and divisive comments about Hillary. I understand the desire to see an African American President. I share that desire. I just don’t find Senator Obama, with his limited resume, and few public accomplishments (i.e. accomplishments for the people, not personal accomplishments like book writing) to have the resume for President, at this point. I think Hillary is correct to point to her strong resume, and that isn’t racist.
    Donna Brazile(DB): I am very sorry that you tuned into my life just three weeks ago and not the 40 years I have engaged politics on a very personal level.
    Just be up to date in your criticism and go back and read my columns, see my interviews and then walk a moment in the shoes of someone who calls it like it is.

    ME: I’m young, but I have been watching you for eight years. You can not possibly think I just tuned in three weeks ago. That’s why I expect more from you. You are one of the most prominent female voices of the Democratic Party. Emotions are running high, and the media is just loving to play up the fissures in the Party.
    DB: Please don’t lecture me about the isms in America . You cannot blame the media for Clinton being behind or running out of money.

    It’s the strategy stupid… And I for one have gotten down right tired of the lame excuses.

    When many of us beat the heck out of Obama last year, we were not called racists. .

    ME: I don’t expect you to watch the sexism. I was hoping for a more fair reading from you. I think it’s loopy to think Hillary has run a racist campaign. Really loopy. Again, the 3am ad, winning NH??? These are not signs of racism. If you respect a candidate, you run against them on the merits, which Hillary has done.
    DB: Just ask Hillary why is she apologizing to Black folks at every turn. And now Obama has to denounce his pastor.
    ME: She doesn’t have to. She just is because she doesn’t want anyone to feel alienated or offended. I can not believe that’s what you really see. How sad.
    DB: I defended the Clintons and it was Black people who kept their asses in office.

    Now, show respect and not indifference or worse insularity and more insults.

    I am not checking my black or feminist credentials into the locker box for either candidate.

    ME: Let’s agree on some things. I have never walked a mile in your shoes. I am outraged by the continued institutional racism in our justice system, in our educational system, in our society. We are not at odds here. As far as McCain goes, I dislike him, and his extremist supporters. I do think that if you believe Hillary Clinton is a racist or has employed a racist campaign strategy, you are overreaching to the extreme.
    DB: She’s the one apologizing to Black folks. Not me. Not You. She is the one saying I regret. Not me. Not you.
    ME: Yes, because she doesn’t want any one to be offended. She’s a buck stops here person. I think that’s an admirable quality.
    DB: Blacks have been deeply wounded by the duplicity of the Clintons . Now, you may not like it or agree. But as a black person who helped saved the Clinton presidency, please just respect what I am saying. [emphasis added] Again, you disagree. But, I honestly believe the wounds will not heal. It’s personal and the Clintons have shown their darker demons. [emphasis added] Now, I will end it here. I was Al Gore’s Campaign Manager. Let the buck stop here. If I make a decision to go with Obama, people read it as Al Gore hates the Clintons. So, I stay above the bull and do not take bull from the Clintons or the Obamas or the McCains. I don’t owe anybody a dime. And if I counted who has helped me since 2000, it’s Republican men and not Democrats.

    Go figure and good night.

    Donna Brazile is for Obama

  463. Hannity tonight taking on Obama’s participation in the Million Man March. Rev. Wright was an organizer of this event. I predict Hannity will be examing which speeches at that event Obama attended. Many speeches were in the Rev. Wright vein. There were also speakers such as Rosa Parks however. Hannity may also be looking at if Obama helped organize it with Rev. Wright.

    To me, this is another example of Obama either being totally clueless about the company he keeps or being in agreement with some of the things Wright/Farrakhan talk about. It could be argued that he just attended as it was a national black event but his closeness with Wright makes you wonder. And he was a state senator at the time.

    I don’t know if this will take hold in the MSM but I think many people are not aware that Obama attended the 1995 event.

  464. I guess the post at April 18th, 2008 at 8:28 am. I see you can vote early but for either candidate not just obama.

  465. It is an article making fun of Obamas misspelling of his words from fox, I really dont think anyone here is going to call!