Three Torpedoes Headed Towards S.S. Obama, Part II

[Join us for our live discussion during tonight’s Democratic Presidential debate on ABC at 8:00 p.m. (ET)]

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The first torpedo headed towards Obama is his “bagman” and indicted slumlord Antoin “Tony” Rezko. We wrote about Rezko yesterday. Today, the Chicago Sun-Times asks: Barack Obama’s handlers may be telling the press Obama has NO “recollection” of a 2004 party at influence peddler Tony Rezko’s Wilmette house, but a top Sneed source claims Obama not only gave Rezko’s guest of honor, Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi, a big welcome . . . but he made a few toasts!

Today we discuss the other two torpedoes headed towards the S.S. Obama – Reverend Wright, and Obama’s very own bitter words.

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Obama sat in “Pastor” Wright’s pews for 20 years without objection. Obama mouthed a speech on race instead of explaining why he sat in those pews while his “Pastor” humped the podium, used language no child should be subjected to on a Sunday morning, and cursed the United States with a robust “God Damn America”.

Obama not only learned race-baiting at the pews of “Pastor” Wright, Obama also learned hypocrisy. When Obama’s constituents were freezing from lack of heat and other services, Obama was getting campaign money from slumlord Rezko as well as crucial financial assistance in purchasing the Obama mansion. Obama apparently learned very little in church about taking care of the poor. Obama also learned to ignore his churches central tenet against “middle-classism”.

Hypocrisy. “Pastor” Wright, like Obama, can mouth a good speech but does not bother living up to his own words. For all of “Pastor” Wright’s well-delivered “sermons” attacking rich white people, “middle-classism”, hanging with the homies, and black pride – “Pastor” Wright chose to live in – a gated or is it segregated, overwhelmingly white, very rich , well policed and protected bubble, in a massive 10,000 square foot mansion, far from his homies. Obama and Wright – take the money and run.

Republicans have noticed the torpedo named Wright.

“Nothing could be more dangerous to Mr Obama’s aspirations than the revelation that he, the son of a white woman, sat Sunday after Sunday – for 20 years – in an Afrocentric, black nationalist church in which his own mother, not to mention other whites, could never feel comfortable,” said Shelby Steele, a Stanford University historian and author of a book on Obama.

Rush Limbaugh, the right-wing radio talk-show foghorn, expressed the popular view more succinctly: “No country wants a president who is a member of a church with this kind of radicalism as its mainstream.” [snip]

They intend to ask why he has stopped wearing an American flag badge on his lapel, and why his wife, Michelle, said at a rally: “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.”

Republicans are closely watching.

Republican strategists believe that the rage-filled sermons, in which Mr Wright declares “God damn America”, blames US foreign policy for the September 11 attacks, criticises Israel and levels racist insults against the Clintons, offers them a powerful way to destroy Mr Obama if he becomes the Democratic nominee. Mr Wright was the Illinois senator’s “spiritual mentor” for nearly two decades. After initial denials, Mr Obama admitted in Tuesday’s speech that he had witnessed “controversial” sermons.

Many Republicans who viewed Mrs Clinton as the easier candidate to beat in November are now reconsidering that opinion. Mr Wright’s comments are so appalling, they believe, that they are a political gift that will keep on giving if the Illinois senator becomes Mr McCain’s opponent. It is a fact Mrs Clinton’s aides are privately impressing upon the Democratic party’s so-called super-delegates — the congressmen, senators and officials now likely to determine the nomination.

Obama supporters and Big Media push the narrative that Obama’s Wright troubles are over. Proof of the continuing damage came yesterday. Obama yesterday abandoned his flowery words against wearing American flag lapel pins and started sporting a flag pin. Obama did not start wearing the American flag lapel pin for fashion reasons.

Obama is now wearing an American flag lapel pin because of the permanent damage the “Pastor” Wright controversy inflicted and to attempt to distract from the damage caused by his own condescending, elitist smears against small town America.

Big Media is again trying to protect Obama and claiming these issues do not matter. For once, other voices are speaking up and saying what is obvious.

John Judis at The New Republic:

Some liberal commentators have downplayed the effect of Barack Obama’s fundraising speech at a San Francisco fundraiser last week. But that’s wishful thinking. Along with the revelations about Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright, his remarks in San Francisco will haunt him not only in the upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia, but also in the general election against John McCain, assuming he gets the Democratic nomination.

Judis notes that a Democratic presidential candidate has to carry most of the industrial heartland states that stretch from Pennsylvania to Missouri. Because Obama is so far behind McCain in Florida and because Obama is attacking the voting rights of Florida voters it is even more likely that Obama cannot win Florida and therefore, as Judis notes, Obama would have to win 45 to 48 percent of the white working class vote.

Judis dismantles the Obama argument that by winning in Virginia and Colorado Obama won’t need states like Ohio or Pennsylvania to win the election. Judis also points out McCain’s popularity with latinos which would help him win in the Southwest.

So to win in November, Obama will have to win almost all of these heartland states. Which is a problem, because even before he uttered his infamous words about these voters “clinging” to guns, religion, abortion, and fears about free trade, Obama looked vulnerable in the region. A look at the white working class’s relationship with earlier Democratic candidates underscores the various reasons why.

Judis makes an historically argument about how Democrats win white working class voters. Judis posits three circumstances favorable to Democrats: When the Republican candidate is unacceptable (due to scandal, background, beliefs, actions); when the Democrats run an acceptable candidate (for instance moderation on guns and abortion); when the Democrats run an empathetic candidate (someone like Bill Clinton who could “feel your pain”.)

He has tried to appear above race, but he will continually be reminded of his ties to Jeremiah Wright (and his not wearing a flag on his lapel, and his wife’s statements about not being “proud” of America) during a general election. [snip]

These difficulties were clear before Obama spoke in San Francisco, but they’re much more glaring now. In the speech, Obama appeared to say that Pennsylvania voters’ opposition to gun control or abortion or immigration or free trade was pathological–a product of what Marxist philosopher Herbert Marcuse once called “false consciousness.” On the other hand, he implied that when he voiced opposition to an issue like free trade–Obama has consistently hammered Clinton on her support for the North American Free Trade Agreement–he was simply pandering to these voters’ displaced anxieties. He was saying to these upscale San Francisco Democrats, “I am really one of you, and I am not one of them.”

Union members in Altoona, and across Pennsylvania, know Obama is not one of them. Obama looks down at them.


You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Obama has refused to apologize for his remarks. Big Media, as Lou Dobbs notes, is covering up for Obama.

Small town Florida voters are offended too and know Big Media is covering up for Obama. These voters will put Hillary Clinton over the top no matter how much Big Media tries to fool them.

The S.S. Obama will sink. Hillary will Rise.


340 thoughts on “Three Torpedoes Headed Towards S.S. Obama, Part II

  1. I think when the comments come up to night, Hill should quote her. It’s perfect. The woman is a BO supporter and maxed out contributor.

  2. Ok, so brazile says 15 points in PA=nomination. That probably means internals show a closer race, but I for one am going to do everything I can to make that happen.

  3. Afternoon! I don’t think a 15pt win is out of the question. HRC has won most of the states with similar demographics by comparable margins. PA is a lot like Ohio from what I’ve read & also resembles upstate NY. Personally I think it’ll be very close to the SUSA #s, a 13 or 14 pt victory.

  4. ok, Ive been asleep, so when did brazile start saying Hillary will get the nomination if she wins PA by 15 points?


    I am so glad to see that regular everyday folks realize that the media is doing Obama’s spinning for him. Obama has made himself entirely unelectable now, and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.

  6. hillfans, im off to work soon. i wish i could be here bloggin during the debate. the good news i am off next tuesday pa primary day. i will read your reviews and watch late tonite.

  7. another thing, doug schoen has been a gem of a political advisor on big media. he is not in hillary’s campaign but he should be running it. i just saw him on foxnews giving a interview on hillary’s chances.

  8. I sent the CSPAN video to my mom who just downloaded it on her iPhone (god, I wish I had one after hearing her download it over the phone while we were talking- hubba hubba). She thought the female caller stated it correctly in every sense and agreed the media has been covering his ass for too long. She’s excited about tonight’s debate.

    I hate to say it, but so am I. What time does it start? 8CST?

  9. confloyd,

    I think it was on one of the sunday chat fests. Anyway Donna’s opinion or those of all the other talking heads is irrelevant. Hill has to win PA by double digits, in my humble opinion, to close the gap & also to continue making her electability case to the supers.

  10. “Ms. Fowler said she held her digital recorder openly. The place was jammed with others using video cams and cell phone cameras. Among them, Ms. Fowler said, was a professor who was recording the event for his students. In fact, snippets of the speech have been posted on YouTube by others who were there.”

    I love this quote from Ms. Fowler,the blogger that exposed Bittergate, that people were openly video taping and recording his speech and Q&A at the fundraiser…so I wonder if Hillary got a copy of the event and will be using it as a ad or worst yet…have the GOP or/and their 527s have a copy and will be running attack ads.

    Or STILL worst the National Enquirer brought a copy of the video and will be running an EXCLUSIVE on their website and will have their magazines right up in our face at every supermarket check out line.

  11. Well, nikki, double digits against someone who has out spect you somewhere between 3-5 to 1 is a tough order. But, hopefully.

  12. Yeah, riverdaughter has some up now. The idiot can’t believe Hillary’s meassage may just reasonate more with some voters. He attributes it to race and age. Then they all laugh.

  13. She could have won by 10-15% if she had the money. I know we all give as much as we can, but it is discouraging that she had so little left in the chest for PA. I hope she starts with the ads after the debate and really wins convincingly.

  14. mj,
    Maybe its just me but I think at a certain point ads just don’t make that much of a difference anymore. Both of these candidates have been running for months now and they’ve got 100% name recognition. That’s why outspending her in OH and TX didn’t work.

  15. jbstonesfan – could you take your negativity elsewhere? 90% of your comments are negative and not in context.

    While working in TX – they outspent us 3-1,sometimes 4-1, same with Ohio. History lesson: she won those states.

  16. Ininla,

    Exactly. Listen I’m not saying Hill doesn’t need to run tv ads, but of all the millions poured into these ads the only memorable one has been the 3 am ad. I think Hill should focus on her ground game and GOTV in PA and the remaining states. She also gets a lot of free media.

  17. Guys,
    The Kentucky Derby is before the KY primary right? I don’t know if HRC likes horse racing but it would be a treat to see her there.

  18. I like this site and simply because I look at the poll numbers does not make me negative. I don’t think Hillary supporters should have one single voice speaking for her.

  19. Obama Endorsed by Gun Group on Anniversary of V-Tech Killings

  20. dot i wouldn’t be surprised if BHO had some ties to the lobbyists that put the guns in that asian students hands!! SICKENING!!

  21. Fox reports O says

    “I’m a pretty darned good politician”

  22. JBStones, you raise a valid point about money. That’s why everyone should mass e-mail right now.

  23. BHO says,

    “At the end of a long response, Obama said: “Let me make one last point about the comparison to McGovern and Dukakis, both excellent men, but I’m a pretty darn good politician. And I can give a pretty good speech and I can connect and inspire the American people in ways that I think will become apparent. I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t pretty good at mixing it up. And so much of the attack machine that’s been built up is part of the old politics.”

  24. This morning I saw a clip of Obama explaining why he wasn’t another Dukakis or McGovern. He gets that famous smugness and says something like “I’m a very good politician” then stands there gloating for a second. Then he says “and I can give a pretty darn good speech”.

    Clinton needs to get ahold of that clip ASAP and start showing it in Pennsylvania. Fox had it on. She needs to get that clip!!! I think it could bump him off for good!!!


  25. Meiyingsu, “old politics” is what Chicago-style politics is about. He ought to keep his mouth shut. It’s getting him in deeper.

    BTW- please forward Admin’s CSPAN video link. It rocks…

  26. jbstonesfan – are you looking at SurveyUSA – apparently not; you’re buying hook, line and sinker what the media is feeding you. Again, maybe you should read more carefully people’s posts re: the crap polls instead of constantly injecting negativity. I still sense troll alert with you, and it’s the trolls who have driven many of the original members out.

    You claim to be an attorney; you own a mercedes, porsche and maserati – you and your wife are maxed out in contributions to Hillary $2300 per piece.

    Why don’t you give us some positive insight into what Terry McAuliffe says on the conference call to natl. donors tomorrow? If you’re indeed someone on the high rollers list, you will have all the information to tell us what the campaign is saying, right? And I can bet they’re not saying what you’re saying just now.

  27. For all you CADAVERTY Fans. 👿
    Car Rush and Rush repoorting that CNN had to APOLOGISE to China over recent remarks Cadaverdy made insulting the Chinese people and Chianese products.

    Evidently the Chines officials were LIVID!

    Then Rush plays the soundbite of Cadaverdy saying Ozomba was right about bittergate and that bitter people in the mid east turn to terrorism.

    CNN APOLOGIZED! Can you believe it! When is this guy gonna get the boot?

  28. Ininla is right — jbstonesfan how dare you objectively look at ALL polls and not just follow the most optimistic one !!

  29. jbstonesfan,

    We’ve learned to be selective about all these polls because every time Hill is about to get a big win some of the polls suddenly “tighten”. I remember right before the CA primary the highly respected Field Poll had HRC very nearly tied with BO even though she had pretty sizable leads in all of their previous samples. Well, turns out it was completely worthless because they didn’t push their leaners and so had this insane # of undecideds. Then there are polls that have proven to be complete rubbish: Rasmussen, Zogby, ARG, PPP. One of our posters here says I shouldn’t be paranoid & assume they’re fixing these polls but I still wonder if they are.

  30. regarding polls, like statistics, they can be made to read anyway, someone wants them to. I take all of them, with a grain of salt. Averages may be better.

  31. meiyingsu,

    Sorry for the confusion – didn’t want to forget what I’d heard.

    No – CNN apologized to China for Cadaverdy’s reamrks (don’t know exactly what he said).

    Then Rush intimated Cadaverdy should also be made to apologize for the Ozomba is right about bittergate and bitterness causes young men in Arab countries to turn to terrorism and links that thought with Pennsylvanians. What a friggin A$$wipe Jack-O is.

  32. well, it sure looks like they fix the polls. remember Iowa, they said Clinton would win and Obama won. Msm was wrong and embarrassed!

  33. hannity on now, too funny! he just thumped MO over the head with the sound clip that is a youtube video on TM today 😀

  34. big media should play “I’m a very good politician” again and again like Dean’s famous scream.

  35. I jused to look at every polls and watch all 24 hr news stations, now I don’t look at polls and I have quit watching TV. THe only polls and news I get is from here!LOL! IT’s easier that way!

  36. Admin,

    She scares me even more than her hub. Notice she flicked her nose a couple of times? “Me and Barack. . . ”

    She is one angry militant bytch! 😈

  37. Wonkette!

    Do you have parents? Are they voting for Barack? Probably not. This is apparently a huge problem for his campaign: everybody wants to vote for Barry Obama, but nobody’s parents want to vote for him. Old people are hopeless.

    So the Obama campaign — in its efforts to reach out to middle-age, blue-collar, beer-guzzling white women — is recruiting children to brainwash their parents with YouTube videos and cleverly-worded bumper stickers. They even managed to bag famous lady Senator Claire McCaskill with their hopeful subterfuge, and Bob Casey too! The children are winning!

    Gov. Jim Doyle of Wisconsin also admitted to being suckered into the Obama cult by his heathen of a son.

    “He’s a complete Barack-o-maniac,” Mr. Doyle said in a phone interview. “When I asked him why, he said, ‘I think he’s really going to work hard for us.’ I thought, that’s through the eyes of a 7-year-old. ‘He’ll work hard,’ and ‘for us.’”

    For us! And, uh, for the old people, too!

  38. Basil, contribute to HRC, not Cashonistas. It’s just the name of the Money Bomb site I did.

    BTW- “we” are the Cashonistas. 😀

    Bomb is set for tomorrow. Get the word out.

  39. dija,

    And then he should have to apologize to HRC and her supporters for his obscene ongoing commentary about the former First Lady!

    Oh, and then he has to apologize to Pennsylvanians, too.

  40. Don’t everybody bite my head off… but why do you all dislike Michelle Obama? I haven’t ever given her much thought so I don’t follow the headlines where she’s concerned.

  41. Win4Hill – how about watching the polls that have been the most accurate throughout this election. (no sarcasm)

    and also W4H – how about watching JBSTONE’s comments consistently – you’ll see the pattern.

  42. Nikki- she’s condescending. She’s not very patriotic and she’s up to her neck in all this dirtiness.

  43. Thanks for some of the positive feedback….If you think I am a troll, that’s pretty sad . Also, simply b/c you are a “high roller” does not give you access to conference calls…Rather, it gets you e-mails every few days asking for more money. I have spoken with some local campaign people for Hillary and truthfully, it’s nothing all that revealing. They are hoping , like we are, for a huge Penn win and some momentum to make Hillary’s case to the SD’s. They are as appalled as we are with the media and feel that nothing they can throw at BO sticks…he is like teflon even with some of the recent revelations. I don’t post too often here as I work about 80 hrs a week, but was happy to find a site that loves Hillary as much as I do. I think we can agree to disagree civily.

  44. Moneybomb (money bomb, money-bomb, fundraising bomb) is a neologism coined in 2007 to describe a grassroots fundraising effort over a brief fixed time period,[1] usually to support a candidate for election by dramatically increasing, concentrating, and publicizing fundraising activity during a specific hour or day. The Mercury News defined it as “a one-day fundraising frenzy”.[2] The effort combines traditional and Internet-based fundraising appeals focusing especially on viral advertising through online vehicles such as YouTube, Myspace, Meetup, and Craig’s List. In the case of lesser-known candidates it is also intended to generate significant free mass media coverage the candidate would otherwise not receive. Moneybombs represent an emerging trend of grassroots fundraising and viral activism over the Internet by the 2008 presidential candidates in the United States.[3][4][5]

    For more info:

  45. nikki, she’s a jerk. Back in February she said she wasn’t sure she could support Hill. Didn’t like her politics and her policies. I can’t stand the woman.

  46. thanks okie.

    (I can be a bit dense).

    OK – $25.44 tomorrow,

    How ANYONE can take MO seriously is beyond me. Listen to 30 seconds of any of her interviews and her elite, nasty, arrogant, self-indulgent, smug attitude is immediately apparent.

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  48. djia,

    No, I’m not. Spouses have no interest for me so I don’t keep up with them. I’ve gotten snippets from here about Michelle- the thing about only time in her life she’s been proud of her country & the piano lessons- but that’s about it.

  49. jbstonesfan – I’m sorry; I stand by my what I said. – if you and/or your household is contributing the max – there’s a conference call tomorrow. You should’ve gotten notified; many people I know who have maxxed out are getting the info.

  50. jbstonesfan Says: Also, simply b/c you are a “high roller” does not give you access to conference calls…Rather, it gets you e-mails every few days asking for more money.

    That sucks! I thought the fat cat donors got special treatment. You always read about how the campaigns hold these special events for the big donors. Maybe that’s just reserved Spielberg and people like that.

  51. My support of Hillary is not defined by anyone else might think. I get e-mails all day from the Clinton Campaign , and was invited to at least 3 additional fund raisers down here with President Clinton. I also spoke with Jonathan Mantz in Boca and do not need to justify to my credentials. No wonder why Hillary is having such a tough time when even her supporters can’t get along…sad, sad, sad….but it’s going to be fine…

  52. Ok pre debate talk lets talk about Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos are they in the tank for obama should this be a more fair debate? Also the pppd polling center do they NOT randomly call in the state because there is no way in f ing hell those polls are right, I just might call and ask them where the hell they called! This national average to is getting me pissed, I bet you anything alot are lying on the phone! Im not trying to be biased here but this is going to another bush guys if he is elected and we must TAKE PHONES AND DONATE! WHAT HAVE THE PHONES BEEN TELLING YOU GUYS?

  53. Nikki22 – um…I fail to see how if you’re maxxed out, they keep asking you for money. Isn’t that a contradiction? perhaps clinton’s campaign finance committee is asking you to get your friends to contribute, but asking for more when you’re legally maxxed out?

    I’m working with a natl outreach director for the campaign – and planning an event in Pittsburgh – they have to very careful of campaign finance rules.

  54. contributing and phonebanking tp pa will carry her to a big win

    don’t let them forget all the bitter commentary .. bibles and guns

  55. Everyone gets the same e mails, maxed out or not. You’re supposed to keep track of your donations, and if you exceed the limit, the campaign has to refund you. Once you’re over the $2300, they send you a letter saying you’re over the max for the primary and the rest will go to the general.

  56. Plural,
    Not even a signed picture?? You guys are really bumming me out with the whole no perks for max donors! I don’t have that kind of money right now, still in college, but jeez I was going to become one a few years from now.

  57. jbstonesfan – I get along fine with everyone, except you, so let’s not generalize suddenly. (and MJS and Win4Hill definitely give me pause)

    Confloyd – agreed. Fox just pissed me off too – Shep Smith quoting the trumped up Huffpost meme about Clinton dinging working class voters back in the 90s. repeating the bruce springsteen stuff – though right now one of the commentators on Fox saying the endorsement is disingenous timing given BO’s lack of working class appeal.

  58. I guess if you gave a bunch of money at once to attend a specific fundraiser you would get a picture.

    I don’t care about that, so haven’t bothered to find out.

    I think it’s important to give if you really care about a candidate, and have given the max each time since Bill in 1992.

  59. The one thing I love about Hillary the most is that she TRUST the voters more then she trust the polls. She has tremendous FAITH.

    Now can we not talk about them lying polls and focus on getting the vote out for Hillary in PA and making her #44.

  60. Re: polls. PPP and LATimes/Bloomberg have 13 % undecided voters. How reliable is that?? Take it with a grain of salt.

  61. jbstonesfan,

    Glad you support Hillary, but if we can just keep on track to help Hillary than we all can get along we all have on thing in common and that is to this woman in the white house! SO LETS GET ARE BEAT ON!

  62. true, Clinton dug working class voter back in 1990s because that is why Bill won the white house twice. Bill did lead America a peace and prosperity in 1990s.

  63. get a quick “meet and greet” with Bill , a little longer if you are in the VIP section, and an official picture which you now have to retrieve off the net and send payment in for. If your lucky, like me, you get your books signed, and I had a brief conversation with President Clinton about his 60th birthday party at the beacon theater with the Stones which I attended. No one should judge what a supporter does or doesn’t do as we all do the best we can. The commonality among us is our desire to have Hillary elected.

  64. The clip if there is one that shows BHO said “I’m a pretty darn good politician. And I can give a pretty good speech and I can connect and inspire the American people in ways that I think will become apparent. I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t pretty good at mixing it up.” deserves to be play daily till the primary is ended.

  65. Gene Lyons today is pointing out that in Bill Clinton’s two terms,

    “employment in Pennsylvania rose by more than 500,000 jobs between 1993 and 2000 while unemployment dropped from 7.3 to 4.1 percent.”

  66. Mj, I misread it. She’s still for HRC. I’m just weary from too much PC and not enough fresh air.

  67. the jobs is what the campaign needs to focus on now .. no reason for folks to be anything buy happy under bills presidency

  68. The question is:

    “Who would you like to have in a foxhole with you…Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary “Annie Oakley” Clinton?

  69. OkieAtty,

    again, the media paint it is hillary’s fault that BHO said small town people cling to gun and region.

  70. Yes, Okie, thanks. I think Hill should just read that woman’s quote.

    Okie, why did you want people to read modo?

  71. Someone asked about why Hillary would go on Colbert:

    Clinton to take on Colbert
    by Frank James

    Sen. Hillary Clinton, the presidential candidate whose truthfulness is questioned by many Americans according to polling, will appear Thursday, April 17 on the show of Stephen Colbert, a performer known for “truthiness,” whatever that means.

    Colbert’s writers won’t have to look too hard for material, Between the 3 a.m. phone call, sniper fire in Bosnia and President Bill Clinton’s ability to repeatedly step on his wife’s campaign message, they’ve got plenty.

    The question is why would Clinton submit herself to Colbert’s irony-laden, super iconoclastic brand of humor? Is it her way to shout from the rooftops that she, indeed, has a sense of humor?

    It would seem, after all, Colbert’s viewers aren’t her kind of voters. According to a piece by Joshua Green in the Atlantic magazine last year, Colbert’s fans:

    …Tend to be young, white, educated, and male. Their median age is 37 and there’s a 60/40 male-female split. So far this year, he’s drawn a nightly audience that averages 1.3 million viewers nationwide, 874,000 of them in the 18-49 year-old demographic.

    Young and educated? Those sound like Obama voters for sure. But then there was this part:

    (Research leaked to me by Will Feltus, a national ad buyer, shows that Colbert’s viewers are the same demographic targeted by beer marketers: men ages 18 to 34 who are “above-average consumers of adult beverages.”)

    Beer drinkers. Now that’s starting to sound more like Sen. Boilermaker’s people.

  72. meiyingsu Says:

    April 16th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    again, the media paint it is hillary’s fault that BHO said small town people cling to gun and region.

    Yes, of course, it’s Hill’s fault.

    Why is Murtha talking about McCain? Why isn’t he talking up Hill?

  73. Less than one week now and we’ll know!! I can’t wait! I can’t wait to see Hillary taking the oath of office come November!!!

  74. MoDo slammed 👿 for his elitism and pretty much said she didn’t buy MO’s remarks about him given his education, etc.. She slams Hillary, too. But she was not nice to 👿 either. It’s a change in the wind direction.

  75. Guys,

    Have you all seen the absurd Hillary for NY Governor story? Hello! Hillary wouldn’t go from being senator to governor if she doesn’t get the nom. I think she’d try for majority leader though. She has so much more charisma and savy than Reid. But then again HRC did say she’d just remain a senator if the dems once again toss away the presidency.

  76. Sorry for being rude, I’m just gonna jump in here and ask, even tho it may have been said before, as I don’t have time right now to have a read through of all the posts.

    Is it possible to watch tonights debate online? Or as abc has done before, will it only be available the day after??

    I really want to watch it, but I also have to go to work tomorrow, so I don’t want to stay up tonight needlessly….

    Thanks. (ps. our girl is gonna pull this whole thing off, I can feel it!!!!! )

  77. I have to work tonight and will not be able to watch the debate, so I am hoping everyone will live blog tonight so I can hear what’s going on!!! Oh, What time does it start, I am central standard time!

  78. For those who’ve been complaining about Yahoo, here’s something that will cheer you up.
    We are going to learn more about Barack Obama in the weeks and months to come, and what we learn will not be helpful to his candidacy.

    I’ve written about the Obama campaign in the past tense. This is premature, as far as the nomination is concerned, because the Democrats have morphed from the party of the working man to a party of snobs who look down on working men and women. But in the general election, the question is not whether Sen. Obama will lose, but by how much.

  79. I like the modo piece, but please, are there really people out there who think Hill is anything like a professory John Kerry? Gee, she did shots with McCain in Russia. Who the heck finds her doin a shot uncredible. She’s a tough woman. Anyway, the barkeep offered her the shot and she accepted. It wasn’t a photo op.

  80. Well, lets hope there are no gotcha’s tonight! She always wins, he can’t even make a complete sentence without a teleprompter. If he is able to make one, it takes forever, with all the ah’s and eh’s. He is ridiculous!

  81. I think Giuliani is thinking about running for Governor. I don’t think Hillary would be interested. Hopefully, it’s a choice she will not have to make. If, however, she goes back and stays in the senate, at least she knows the snakes in her own party who like smiling mumba’s, lied in wait, until the could slither on the BO band wagon. I only hope and pray that Richardson, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Brazille, et al. get a new one ripped by Bill once this is over. Without him they can’t raise that much money and once BO loses the election, he will be an afterthought.

  82. I thought as I am watching McCain trying to talk about the mortgage crisis, how nice it would be to get Hillary, Obama and McCain on the same stage for a debate. Then, hands down, the American people could see who the best President would be. Wouldn’t that be nice?

  83. Debate drinking game: take a drink every time 👿 stutters.

    Oh, wait. Nevermind. We’d never make it thru the first 5 mins w/o passing out.

  84. OkieAtty, that would be great, but Hillary would be cold sober and Obama would be dead drunk!!LOL!!

  85. Let’s remember that even if Hill does win PA by double digits, even 15 pts, the media storyline WILL NOT CHANGE. They have the story they want to tell- Hillary is toast, she doesn’t have “the math”, she should drop out. I mean how long after her Ohio, Texas victories did they pivot back to the negative coverage. They are as committed to this new frame as they were to the inevitable candidate storyline. It’s twisted but that’s the way it is. Just don’t give them the ratings or newspaper sales.

  86. Hillary needs some MAJOR surrogates back out on tv telling the pundits to STFU. This calling for her to drop out is on an incessant drumbeat right now .. and she’s leading in the polls in PA and Indiana.

    dayum can’t they get anybody on the shows. this is soooo frustrating. I’m just about spent.

  87. mj thanks, I know I hope so, but ABC has always been a bit ‘shitty’ about these things, they’ve put up the coveredge online, but the next day, NOT live, so I hope it’s different this time, hense my question, does anyone know if this time is any different, will it be a live stream of the debate?

  88. When Hill wins PA, the question that will be asked is- Obama can’t close the deal, with all the money coming in, he can’t close the deal. That will be very difficult to answer for his campagine. I hope Hillary’s raises this issue.

  89. Fox bringing up the Barney Frank asking her to drop out (mj – I believe brought up he’s Ann Lewis’ brother, so WTF?)

    Lee Iaccoca (boy, is he old) – saying should stay in to the end one way or other – she’s a good candidate,

  90. Barney Frank didn’t say HILLARY should drop out in June, he said the TRAILING CANDIDATE. Dot, quit jumping to conclusions and assuming that everyone is out to get our girl.

  91. Fox is saying framing it that way. Barney Frank if he’s a Hillary supporter should get off his butt and pushback, if so.

  92. I haven’t heard Barney bother to correct any news org on this either.

    I just emailed Cavuto .. for what its worth

  93. Barney Frank brought up the popular vote, as well, and talked about June, not today. There is a good chance that he is subtly setting up the argument that if Hill pulls ahead in popular vote (counting FL and MI) that OBAMA should drop out.

    Barney is a loyal friend of Hill’s and he’s not stupid.

  94. the gun group American Hunters and Shooters Association which backs BHO is a Massechusetts based gun group that is at odds with NRA on many issues.. It has an annual revenue of about $250,000 and recieves grants and membership dues. It’s estimated membership is somewhere between 5,000 and 7,500.

    by comparison NRA has annual revenue of more than $150 million, about $75 million is from membership alone.

    AHSA is hardly the bastion of gun owners influence in America

  95. Has a politician EVER demanded a retraction or clarification from a news org? I’m sorry dot, but I fail to see how you not understanding the objective underlying message of his remarks as some kind of justification for attacking him 🙁

  96. well considering the volatility of the race right now perhaps he should have just said zero.

    the news media is twisting everything and surely he knows that.

    giving news media a chance to do just what Fox did … well.

  97. Email from Bill Clinton, to supporters:
    Dear [Democrats],

    I’m going to give you the same advice I give to Hillary: block out the distractions — the skeptics, the media coverage, the beltway chatter — and keep your eyes on the prize.

    With the news media constantly poring over the minutiae of the campaign, I make sure Hillary never forgets to stay focused on what matters: telling every last American about her vision, her experience, and her commitment to bringing real change to people’s lives.

    Let the press worry about the shifting polls and the daily back-and-forth. As long as Hillary stands up for the values we share — and as long as you stand up for her — she’s going to win this race.

    It’s a tight race, whether you’re counting delegates or total votes, the kind where one big victory can shift the momentum. We’ve got a race like that coming up in Pennsylvania in just six days, and you know what a difference your immediate action can make. You’ve been there for Hillary in the past, and now she needs you again.

    Contribute now to help Hillary win big in Pennsylvania on Tuesday.

    We know Senator Obama’s strategy: spend, spend, and spend some more.

    His campaign is hoping their spending is enough to win the primary and bring this race to a close. But they weren’t counting on the incredible connection Hillary has made with Pennsylvanians or the remarkable support you have shown her.

    Tonight, Hillary will share the stage with Senator Obama in a debate, and Pennsylvania voters will consider their final decisions over the next six critical days.

    If you contribute to Hillary’s campaign today, you can be assured of two things: it will go right back out the door to help her win, and it will make a difference in this close race.

    Contribute today for our Pennsylvania victory.

    Don’t forget: stay focused on what’s important, and we’ll celebrate victory together.

    Thank you,

    Bill Clinton

  98. Powerline suspects the disabled vet may not exist:

    Andrew Malcolm reports at the Los Angeles Times Top of the Ticket blog that an American flag pin is back on the coat lapel of Barack Obama. Malcolm turns a gimlet eye on this heartwarming development:

    [T]here he was Tuesday on national television at a Keystone State townhall meeting trying with some success, according to recent polls, to play catch-up to Sen. Hillary Clinton in the next key Democratic primary state of Pennsylvania, which votes April 22.

    And there, like a screaming eagle proclaiming Obama’s patriotism for all the bitter, disgruntled voters of smalltown America to see just days after he seemed to dis them to an elite crowd of donors at an allegedly closed fundraiser in a San Francisco mansion, waving stiffly on the senator’s left lapel was the old red, white and blue flag pin. Watch and see if it’s still there in tonight’s debate.

    According to a touching-possibly-true-but-then-again-you-never-know-in-big-time-politics report circulating on several blogs during the night, the pin was reportedly given to Obama Tuesday morning by a disabled veteran whose name nobody seems to know right now.

    So naturally not wanting to hurt the vet’s feelings, how could the 46-year-old Obama do anything other than immediately put the pin back on his public lapel for as long as necessary?

    If we were cynical and had over the years seen even the most seemingly idealistic politicians sway with the winds in the face of political pressures just before a crucial election, we’d write something about how convenient that no one caught the vet’s name.

    But then, probably by lunchtime today someone will find a disabled Pennsylvania veteran who claims he’s the one who proudly gave the little pin to the candidate. And Obama can then wear the minute flag until he himself turns 88 without having to explain an embarrassing but awfully convenient political flip-flop in the face of running against a Republican war veteran who spent nearly six years in a POW cell. And who, by the way, won his party’s presidential nomination rather handily without any lapel pin.

    So we’ll leave out all that cynical part.

  99. he got a great talking point out tonight….. he talked about how if you take out the republican votes out of the popular vote he is not doing so good 😀

  100. oh and lanny davis said “why should get out, because Barack Obama doesn’t want the competition?” good boy lanny!!!

  101. Okay- some work to be done PRIOR to the debate. Here’s the list of surrogates for Hillary and 👿 . Go down the list and find oppo on the 👿 surrogates.

    Ed Rendell
    Michael Nutter
    Gerry McEntee
    Wesley Clark
    Mandy Grunwald
    Ann Lewis
    Geoff Garin
    Mark Nevins
    Howard Wolfson
    Maria Cardona

    David Axelrod
    Robert Gibbs
    Joel Benenson
    Chaka Fattah
    Patrick Murphy
    Leslie Miller
    Sean Smith
    Ryan Hutcherson

  102. Okie,

    Said that as soon as that story broke yesterday.
    It had Axelrod written all over it.

    You killed me last night with that bit about becoming a chauffeur.
    He’s at it again, as always, just now showing three polls, completely ignoring SUSA, etc, etc. Christ, why do I bother?!
    It is just unbelievable it’s allowed to go on, don’t think I’ll ever get used to it.

  103. WSJ had reported 7 NC SD’s were going for 👿 today- actually only 2 did. I think Bittergate is getting some traction in NC, too.

    New Backing for Obama As Party Seeks Unity
    By Jackie Calmes
    Word Count: 1,027

    WASHINGTON — Slowly but steadily, a string of Democratic Party figures is taking Barack Obama’s side in the presidential nominating race and raising the pressure on Hillary Clinton to give up.

    Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota is expected to endorse Sen. Obama Monday, according to a Democrat familiar with her plans. Meanwhile, North Carolina’s seven Democratic House members are poised to endorse Sen. Obama as a group — just one has so far — before that state’s May 6 primary, several Democrats say.

    Helping to drive the endorsements is a fear that the Obama-Clinton contest has grown toxic and threatens …

  104. American Hunters And Shooters Association

    AHSA would be more correctly called the “American Association for the Protection of Anti-Gun Politicians.” No gun owner or sportsman should fall prey to its carefully crafted lies and deceptions.

    Well guess who they have been donating to in Massachussets, yes you guessed it Kerry and Kennedy.

    They are regularly donating to anti gun groups, totally bizarre.

    So you can guess why bambi got that endorsement, Kerry and Kenedy.

    Its contended that AHSA is actually a anti gun movement pretending to be a pro gun movement that certain politicians use to beef up their pro gun credentials. Now it all makes sense.

    It is contended on the internet that AHSA is run by the DCS Group but I’ll just point out that the senior two advisors there are its president, Gerry Kavanaugh (Ted Kennedy’s Chief of Staff) and David Bonior.

    Get this to admin, is it possible we are being hoodwinked about this endorsement.

  105. Julia Bandaras is definitely aligned with bambi .. you can tell by how she speaks Hillary’s name. What the hell is wrong with people? I swear I just see nothing redeeming about him that makes him so electable.

    I still feel there is a huge conspiracy underfoot.

  106. I sent this to Ben. Let’s see if he responds:

    “Any video or interviews with guy?

    Sorry. It just seems a bit TOO convenient for him to get one yesterday while under fire.

    I’ve searched high and low and cannot find anything about the “mystery disabled vet” (BTW doesn’t it sound toooo Hollywoodish he’s disabled?). Nary a picture, a screenshot of video or an interview….not even a mention of his name.

    Hmmm. You broke the story about the guy. Do some follow-up.

    Very truly yours,


  107. does Hill have anyone in NC? Reckon they are going to slam her with those SD’s after PA . Perhaps they should just hammer more into Indiana. NC I just don’t understand.

  108. Dot- she has Ace in NC. Good news is he got 2, not 7.

    Calm down a bit. You seem flustered today.

    This isn’t our first rodeo. We’ve all seen the media do clean up for this asshole. We’re gaining traction. Slowly but surely.

  109. Nice goin’ Atty. Tell Ben his ‘reporting’ is as impressive as his on-air performances on Lou Dobbs. Fraudulent b*tch.

    Julia Bandaras. Oh man, she does something to my loins, that one.
    At least her conversation w/Lannie included actually mention that neither candidate can reach delegates needed, and that Hillary is winning among Democrats (something else we NEVER hear)!

  110. well after working my ass off, I’m tired and I’m sort of down that the polls aren’t more consistent with a bigger lead in PA. I’m also pissed that Hillary can’t seem to get anybody on tv to destroy the lies .. only a few people.

    Barney Franks remarks were the top off for me. I would rather he had just shut up.

  111. Blue- what does Julie do. Do you need corrective surgery for it? We can take up a collection. Our younger members might be able to raid their daddies’ medical cabinets for those little blue pills.

    Dot, Barney didn’t speak badly. I think he sees some ass whooping ahead for 👿 . Keep the faith.

  112. This AHSA all makes sense, its been in the Obama pocket all along

    In late 2006, in its nascent foray into gun politics, the association helped elect Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) to the Senate by backing her against the NRA’s favorite in the race, incumbent Jim Talent (R).

    Seriously read this, this endorsement is nothing but a big sham and needs to aired ASAP.

  113. Okay, so I finally got around to watching the video of 👿 playing BB. OMG. He sucks. His dribble is so high, he sashays like I dunno what while simultaneously limping. My grandmother is better than that.

    Jeebus. I wouldn’t pick him in a neighborhood game. Hell, I’d prolly knock his ass down. What’s worse is we have a DA here with a club foot who is 5’2″ tall that has more game and more athleticism than this tired MF’er (thanks again Blue 🙂 ).

    Video is here:

  114. HillBilly, you can’t get close enough with a sticker. You’d get shot by Vatican Security. They are some badass guys according to my hubby who knows all things Vatican.

  115. I just watched that video again. What’s with the jumping up, feet together all tightass to pass the ball. You don’t hop to pass a ball. No leverage…

    He seriously looks tightassed in the video. Sorta wuss.

    I read some blog this weekend where the blogger actually went to the Getty’s home and stood outside taking photos of the people coming for the SF fundraiser. In his list of things he didn’t know about 👿 one was the fact that he sashays. He has a swish in his walk.

    Seeing him run and pass that ball raises alarm bells with me.


    Dear Friends of Hillary,

    Your constant participation is invaluable to the campaign.

    We need you to keep working to help our extraordinary candidate win this nomination so we can celebrate the first woman president of the United States. We need you to keep telephoning voters in the upcoming primaries; in phone banks, or just on your own on Activate, hosting BYOP and Debate Watch parties and traveling if you can to another primary state.

    This is the weekend in Pennsylvania. Sign up on the website, if you can be in Pennsylvania this weekend and for Primary Day, April 22.

    We need you to keep asking everyone you know to contribute to Hillary through the website or by attending a fundraiser, including the Generational Celebration of Women in Washington with Hillary May 7. The invitation to this event is attached, and it can also be accessed at Hillary is outspent 3-1 in PA. Every dollar counts right now.

    Primary Schedule


    April 22

    May 6
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    May 13
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    May 20


    June 1
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    Unprecedented calls for our candidate to drop out of the race.

    This race is neck and neck and will probably not be decided by the primaries alone. The call to a candidate to drop out of the race is unprecedented.

    1988 Jesse Jackson went all the way to the convention with media encouragement although Dukakis was the clear winner.

    1980 Ted Kennedy went all the way to the convention, even though it was clear he was routed. He also refused to shake Carter’s hand.

    1976 Ronald Reagan refused to step aside for Gerald Ford before the convention although he had no chance of winning the nomination.

    1976 Mo Udall, Jerry Brown, and Frank Church ran in the primaries, although Carter was clearly the nominee.

    1960 Lyndon Johnson and Adlai Stevenson went to the convention floor although Kennedy was the sure winner of the nomination.

    It is actually outrageous anyone should call for HRC to drop out with the race so close and many states and millions of voters to vote.

    Don’t stand for it!

    All delegates are not created equal.

    The 2,160 delegates elected through primaries represent 11,207 voters each. The 500 delegates elected in caucuses represent 2,200 voters each. 25.3 million Democrats have voted in primaries so far. Only 1.1 million voters have participated in all the Democratic caucuses (fewer than the number of Democrats who voted in Nassau county alone). Super delegates actually represent thousands and millions of voters in each district and state.

    The assertion that Super-delegates will overturn the popular vote if they do not follow it is false.

    Super-delegates will probably decide the outcome of the nomination. The idea that this would ‘overturn the popular vote’ if they do not follow it, is false and incorrect. First, because the super-delegates have actually been elected by a larger popular vote than any other kind of delegate. They are Governors, Senators Congresspeople, elected by hundreds of thousands or millions of citizens, to represent them.

    Second, by the rules of the DNC the Super-delegates were established to use their own best judgment to decide who will be the best candidate in the general election with the best chance of winning the Presidency.

    It is a travesty that the press continues to assert this falsehood, misrepresenting the S-D’s actual status as popularly elected officials, and the purpose they are to exercise in the nomination process under the rules of the DNC.

    Electoral Vote status

    270 are needed to win the election in November. Hillary has won states that account for 219 electoral votes, with 10 states to go. The other guy keeps talking about how many states he has won. That is not how we keep score either in primaries or in the general. He has won states with 202 electoral votes. If we add in Florida and Michigan, Hillary has won states that account for 263 electoral votes. He is still at 202. Whatever happens to the delegates of those two states, the fact is Hillary won them.

    Hillary is amazingly strong and resilient as she continues to excite crowds all over the remaining 10 states. Let’s be the same for her and win this thing.

    Onward to Pennsylvania, and to Pennsylvania Avenue,

  117. Ok guys we can seriously take Obama’s pro gun endorsement down. We need to assault the media with this, he set up a pro gun endorsement when its not a pro gun endorsement, its a sham anti gun endorsement, which mean he is lying through his teeth.

    Look at it, its a trojan horse, look at its directors.

    Robert Ricker (Executive Director, AHSA)
    • Paid witness against the firearms industry for cases where plaintiffs attempted to hold gun manufacturers liable for the criminal misuse of their products by third parties.
    • Monthly salary of $3000; AHSA claims no more than 150 members who pay $25 dues. The rest of the money comes from “individual contributions” with the largest contributors on the AHSA board of directors.
    • Paid an hourly fee of $225 to $250 dollars for testimony, depositions, and meetings with the Brady Campaign.
    • Consults for the Educational Fund to End Handgun Violence (the “educational” arm of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence).

    (lobbying for additional restrictions on law abiding gun owners).

    Ray Schoenke (President, AHSA)
    • Mr. Schoenke, his wife, his daughter and son have been generous donors of anti-gun candidates including: Al Gore, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, Carolyn McCarthy and John Kerry.
    • Mr. Schoenke and his wife donated $10,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI) in 2000.
    • Mr. Schoenke’s daughter and son each contributed $5000 to HCI in 2000.

    John Rosenthal (President, AHSA Foundation)
    • Rosenthal is the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the principal anti-gun group in the state of Massachusetts (credited with being the “political force behind the strict gun control laws of Massachusetts”)
    • Rosenthal is a former member of the HCI board of directors, now known as the Brady Campaign.
    • Rosenthal has most recently focused his energy on voicing opposition to firearms’ advertisements during sporting events

    Jody Powell (Co-Chairman, AHSA Advisory Board)
    • Press Secretary for one of the most anti-gun U.S. administrations, President Jimmy Carter.

    Joe Vince (Board Member, AHSA)
    • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) architect of the Clinton-Gore regulatory assault on the Second Amendment.
    • His company Crime Gun Solutions (CGS) employs a number of other ex-ATF officials including Gerard Nunziato, who told the Houston Chronicle that “If it wasn’t for criminals, there wouldn’t be a gun industry in this country.”
    • Crime Gun Solutions provides consulting services for the lawyers at the Brady Campaign, frequently appearing as paid expert witnesses in lawsuits against the firearms industry.

  118. Dot, I get blocked, I’m living and working outside the US, and it blocks me in a lot of places.

  119. moononpluto

    “Well guess who they have been donating to in Massachussets, yes you guessed it Kerry and Kennedy.”

    AHSA is a 501(c)3 they cannot legally contribute to any politician for purposes of elections etc. However, they can contribute to other charitable causes that the politicians endorse.

  120. Obama lies again, now saying Wright was not his spiritual advisor only his pastor. What a bullshitter.

    In speaking to the Jewish Community in PA Obama states that:

    “The sermons that were the source of controversy were deeply disturbing to me, and I did address them, I did tell him, that I found them disturbing and wrong. As I mentioned, he was also, at that point, several months from retirement. So you make a decision about how are you going to handle that? Do you publicly denounce his comments? Do you privately express concerns with him, but recognize that you’re part of the broader church community that is going to be transitioning? I chose the latter.”

    He also reiterated comments he had made earlier that any characterizations of Wright as something more than just his pastor were inaccurate. “And I also want to note, this notion that’s been put forward that he’s my spiritual advisor — he was my pastor. Which means when I went to church. There were sermons. Many of them insightful and powerful and speaking about justice and the social gospel,” he said.

    Does he ever speak the honest to goodness truth. What a flip flopper. He has said in the past that, no he never talked to the Rev. Wright about those sermons, cause he didn’t personally hear those nasty sermons being played on TV while he was in the pews, and now he has the audacity to try and tell Americans that Rev. Wright was not his spiritual adviser.

  121. Moon,

    I beefed up you ASHA stuff as a ready to send e-mail for everyone. Great work!:

    Obama supporters will say Barack Obama is pro-gun. He’s not. Even back in 1996 he stated he was for the banning all handguns, he denied having stated that position and now has been caught lying about it due to his own hand-written notes. However, today, he’ll try and say he is all for the 2nd Amendment and point to this faux endorsement by a marketing ploy of a “pro-gun” group called American Hunters and Shooters Association.

    Here are the facts:

    American Hunters And Shooters Association

    AHSA would be more correctly called the “American Association for the Protection of Anti-Gun Politicians.” No gun owner or sportsman should fall prey to its carefully crafted lies and deceptions.

    Well guess who they have been donating to in Massachussets? Yes, you guessed it. Kerry and Kennedy.

    AHSA is actually an anti-gun movement pretending to be a pro-gun movement that certain politicians use to beef up their pro-gun credentials.

    AHSA is run by what appears to be the DCS Group, but we’ll just point out that the senior two advisors there are its president, Gerry Kavanaugh (Ted Kennedy’s Chief of Staff), and David Bonior.

    Also note the following about the Board members (doesn’t sound like a real pro-gun group does it?):

    Robert Ricker (Executive Director, AHSA)
    • Paid witness against the firearms industry for cases where plaintiffs attempted to hold gun manufacturers liable for the criminal misuse of their products by third parties.
    • Monthly salary of $3000; AHSA claims no more than 150 members who pay $25 dues. The rest of the money comes from “individual contributions” with the largest contributors on the AHSA board of directors.
    • Paid an hourly fee of $225 to $250 dollars for testimony, depositions, and meetings with the Brady Campaign.
    • Consults for the Educational Fund to End Handgun Violence (the “educational” arm of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence).

    (lobbying for additional restrictions on law abiding gun owners).

    Ray Schoenke (President, AHSA)
    • Mr. Schoenke, his wife, his daughter and son have been generous donors of anti-gun candidates including: Al Gore, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, Carolyn McCarthy and John Kerry.
    • Mr. Schoenke and his wife donated $10,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI) in 2000.
    • Mr. Schoenke’s daughter and son each contributed $5000 to HCI in 2000.

    John Rosenthal (President, AHSA Foundation)
    • Rosenthal is the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the principal anti-gun group in the state of Massachusetts (credited with being the “political force behind the strict gun control laws of Massachusetts”)
    • Rosenthal is a former member of the HCI board of directors, now known as the Brady Campaign.
    • Rosenthal has most recently focused his energy on voicing opposition to firearms’ advertisements during sporting events

    Jody Powell (Co-Chairman, AHSA Advisory Board)
    • Press Secretary for one of the most anti-gun U.S. administrations, President Jimmy Carter.

    Joe Vince (Board Member, AHSA)
    • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) architect of the Clinton-Gore regulatory assault on the Second Amendment.
    • His company Crime Gun Solutions (CGS) employs a number of other ex-ATF officials including Gerard Nunziato, who told the Houston Chronicle that “If it wasn’t for criminals, there wouldn’t be a gun industry in this country.”
    • Crime Gun Solutions provides consulting services for the lawyers at the Brady Campaign, frequently appearing as paid expert witnesses in lawsuits against the firearms industry.

  122. Its amazing to think we wouldnt find out who these AHSA people are. I mean, the information is right there on the internet, clear as mud, did they not think we’d look or did they need a quick fix to try and make Obama look all gun friendly.

  123. Home now. I really need to get some work done this week before my clients kill me. 🙂

    See y’all later for the debate. WOO-WEE!!

  124. 👿 ‘s FY2007 taxes are out..

    He made $4,238,165 last year.

    I guess he could pay off those loans after all. *snigger*

  125. I stand corrected American Hunters and Shooters, Inc is a 501 (c)4 with revenue less that $10,000 yes they can contributed, however the American Hunters and Shooters Foundation, Inc is the 501(c) 3 and they cannot.

    Same board of directors, etc.

  126. dija: it was a statement by moononpluto: Obama lies again, now saying Wright was not his spiritual advisor only his pastor. What a bullshitter.

  127. The best thing about that speech is the comments below it in First read, people dont believe him and the comments from American muslims are in fury as he basically pandered to the jewish voters in front of him, he really is a say anything person to whoever is in front of him.

  128. I read on Media Bistro that the bastards at CNN actually have the gaul to try to get a preIndiana debate.

    I hope that the Hillary campaign tells them to kiss her ass. I’m sick of them treating her like shit and then grab big ratings while they barbecue her ass during the event. F’em and she better not do another debate with them assholes.

  129. birdgal Says:
    April 16th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    dija: it was a statement by moononpluto: Obama lies again, now saying Wright was not his spiritual advisor only his pastor. What a bullshitter.

    oh i missed that……..well…..

    I believe someone made a video that included a bit from the 2004 speech at the DNC where he was introducing wright. I think he referred to him as his spiritual adv then


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    South Central PA …………………………………….. 10%
    West Central PA ……………………………………… 8%
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  131. I just found some OB flyers at the university here in PR. So I found out who the person in charge of her campaign here is and volunteered.

  132. Obama tries to mend fence with Gun Owners through meeting with Gun Control Group

    Wikipedia may not be the most most accepted source in academia, but this speaks for itself.

    Gary Welsh over at Advance Indiana writes this on the Obama gun flap:

    After making disparaging remarks during a San Francisco fundraiser at a Getty mansion about small town folks being bitter and clinging to their guns and religion, Sen. Barack Obama plans to smooth things over with gun owners. “The Obama Campaign will hold a press conference call today with the American Hunters and Shooters Association to discuss Senator Obama’s commitment to the rights and tradition of sportsmen and hunters,” a press release from the campaign reads today. Good luck.

    Wikipedia writes this about the AHSA:

    The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is an association of hunters and shooters in the United States that was founded in 2005. As an advocacy group, it presents itself as a force of moderation and “common sense” in the debate over gun politics in the United States. Its critics claim that AHSA is a front organization aimed at dividing gun owners by pointing to AHSA members’ bias against private ownership of the most popular modern sporting firearms, and note AHSA leaders have both donated money to gun control groups and maintain close ties to individuals and organizations who advocate strict gun control.
    Team Obama and those democratic leaders supporting this FRAUD has once again INSULTED the same people Obama demeaned at his fundraiser in San Fransico on Billionaire Row.

    Why would Team Obama announce an endorsement on the Aniversary of the Virginia Tech Massacre…Why is there such a disconnect with Obama? Why would Obama try to con the same informed electorate that prolly belong to the NRA…the same NRA who has already documented and label this group a STRONG GUN CONTROL ADOVATE.

    Why was the lie deem necessary

    “Looks like Obama is trying to fool small town America again, with a gun group that has only been around THREE YEARS! Democrats lamented after 2004 that they were never going to lose values voters again. They started making overt statements that Universal Single Payer Health Care and College Loans are moral issues. And they formed shell groups like the one Obama deals with to fool voters.

    He ain’t fooling us.”

  133. hilarious PPP, basically overpolled bambi areas and underpolled Clinton areas, lol.

    Basically 46% of their poll is Philly.

    So busted.

  134. Ok, so Bambi released his 07′ taxes today, so I bet he will bring up that she has not released her 07’s today! I bet he also brings up her 95′ comment about the lunchbox! She will be ready, she always is, but abc is probably giving him the questions ahead of time! What do you think?

  135. basically if they wanted a random sample, they should have chosen 20% for the 5 areas of PA, instead they oversampled some areas and underpolled others.

  136. The Philadelphia and surrounding region is supposed to correspond to around 50% of the overall democratic vote.

  137. confloyd, the clinton campaign put out a statement demanding his tax returns and senate schedules a couple days ago

    so he knows what’s coming

  138. It said that 17% were african american and most were women that polled. I will get the layout in a second and this poll actually commented on how the bitter problem had not effect. WHY THE F WOULD THEY HAVE OPINIONS ON A POLLING CENTER YOU ASK WHO YOU WANT AND YOU DO THE POLL PERIOD!

  139. Does anyone else here think we ought to get in touch with the Geoff Garin guy at the campaign and mass protest the CNN proposed debate.

    Remind him of how insulting they treated her at the “compassion forum” ..

    The compassion forum raked in the biggest ratings of the evening BTW .. they want to use Hillary to get the ratings and treat her like shite

  140. Wonder why the media is bringing up her unfavorables now. I bet they are trying to sway the SD’s. I also bet their polling the unfavorables just as fair as they are the regular polls too!

  141. Hillary needs to capitalize on the support of Mayor Nutter to the max. She cannot allow Bambi to take Philadephia and its surround regions

  142. and junior SD’s are not aware of the hijinx that can go with the polling .. I told you the other day that there was something screwey going on with polling

  143. Don’t you all figure the AA vote is sealed in stone as my vote for Hillary is sealed in stone. I don’t even listen or read anything that is contrary about Hillary. I imagine that is the way it is with most AA’s!


    Clinton, Obama remain in statistical tie
    Raleigh, N.C. – For the third week in a row Public Policy Polling’s survey of likely
    voters in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary shows a statistical tie between Barack
    Obama and Hillary Clinton.
    Obama has 45% to Clinton’s 42% in this week’s survey. Clinton led 46-43 a week ago
    and Obama was up 45-43 two weeks ago.
    Obama’s increase in support since last week comes from small gains across the board.
    He’s cut Clinton’s margin with white voters, expanded his advantage with black voters,
    reduced Clinton’s lead with women, and increased his percentage of the male vote.
    “PPP has been in the field now in both Pennsylvania and North Carolina since Obama’s
    ‘bitter’ remarks and has seen no ill effects for Barack Obama,” said Dean Debnam,
    President of Public Policy Polling. “It doesn’t appear the Clinton campaign has been able
    to gain any momentum with this issue.”
    PPP showed Obama up by 20 points in North Carolina in polling conducted over the
    weekend, in line with an 18-21 point advantage he has shown over PPP’s last four
    surveys in the state.
    “With our polls consistently showing a close race in Pennsylvania, either candidate has a
    decent shot at winning this primary,” said Debnam. “It just depends on how good a job
    each campaign does over the next week.”
    PPP surveyed 1095 likely Democratic primary voters on April 14th and 15th. The
    survey’s margin of error is +/- 3.0%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and
    weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.
    PPP will have its final Pennsylvania Democratic poll on Monday.
    If you would like an interview regarding this release, please contact Dean Debnam at
    (888) 621-6988 or 919-880-4888.

  145. For the person who asked about Hillary’s pollster, Penn is gone, but her new pollster is Geoff Garin. I also think Penn is probably contributing some polling, as well.

    As for the PPP poll, I don’t believe it for a second, HOWEVER, I am not so sure they messed up with the 46 percent coming from one area. They probably looked at past elections to see where the heaviest Dem turnout came from. I have read elsewhere that Philadelphia and the surrounding areas makes for around 45 percent of the Dem vote, so it actually makes sense that they did that. However, I am still not buying the poll. I would be curious to see what Survey USA’s geographic sampling is. I also think one of the tricks to HRC’s strategy will be to drive up Dem turnout in rural areas that may not be as involved in primaries usually.

  146. The Democratic candidates still running for
    President are Hillary Clinton and Barack
    Obama. If the primary was today, who would
    you vote for? If you would vote for Hillary
    Clinton, press 1. If for Barack Obama, press 2.
    If you’re undecided press 3.
    Clinton……………….. .42%
    Obama………………. .45%
    Undecided………….. .13%
    Q2 I am going to name 7 issues. Which of these is
    most important to you? The War in Iraq,
    education, the economy and jobs, taxes, moral
    or family values, health care, or immigration. If
    the War in Iraq is most important, press 1. If
    education, press 2. If the economy and jobs,
    press 3. If taxes, press 4. If moral and family
    values, press 5. If health care, press 6. If
    immigration, press 7. If some other issue is
    most important, press 8.
    War in Iraq ………… 28%
    Education ………….. 6%
    Economy and jobs. 50%
    Taxes ……………….. 3%
    Moral and family
    Health care………… 8%
    Immigration ……….. 1%
    Other ………………… 2%
    Q3 If you are a woman, press 1, if a man, press 2.
    Women ……………… .58% Men…………………… .42%
    Q4 If you are white, press 1, if African-American,
    press 2. If other, press 3.
    White ………………… .77%
    African American … .17%
    Other…………………. . 6%
    Q5 If you are 18 to 29 years old, press 1 now. If
    you are 30 to 45, press 2. If you are 46 to 65,
    press 3. If older than 65, press 4.
    18-29…………………. .16%
    30-45…………………. .25%
    46-65…………………. .35%
    Older than 65 ……… .24%
    Q6 Region
    Northeast PA ………………………………………….. 9%
    Southeast PA………………………………………….. 46%
    South Central PA …………………………………….. 10%
    West Central PA ……………………………………… 8%
    Southwest PA …………………………………………. 26

  147. well around 50% of the democratic vote in penn comes from philadelphia and surrounding areas.

    Perhaps Hillary won’t be able to win over too many of the AA voters that are in larger number in this area, but I would expect that she can do well with some of the working white, lower education white, women vote, and elder vote in general to overcome Obama’s strength in AA.

    If Hillary can pull off even the slightest margin of victory in the SE Penn area, she will have won the state by double digits. If not, then the race is far closer. Single digit wins (at most) if Hillary loses the philly area.

  148. anyways, let’s just put it this way. Hillary is safe in the rural areas. as long as GOTV is good, which from her hundreds of mayorial endorsements, sound like they will be–> the only problem is her philadelphia area vote. IF she can blitz the philadelphia area specifically and strengthen her strong supporters while picking up new AA support, we can expect a blowout in PA.

  149. If Philly is a problem, why is the campaign sending us to Erie. They said they had enough volunteers in Philly

  150. why have they kept saying the demo’s favor Hill then? Also, phone banking doesn’t bear that poll out it seems ..

  151. “Wonder why the media is bringing up her unfavorables now.”

    This has been the republican strategy all along, to cast Hillary as untrustworthy. Might almost take it as a good sign they’re hedging their bets and starting to go after her, as if she might win.

    It’s been everywhere lately, all the usual suspects, Talking Points 101.

  152. well, I would expect many in the campaign to see Philly as a case of untouchables. Just like hispanics, women, and working whites are usually Hillary’s staunchest supporters, AAs are the staunchest supporters for Senator Obama. Unless something huge turns out, it is largely expected that this relatively large part of philly will vote by anywhere from 75-85% in favor of Senator Obama. That gives him a 20% headstart in that region alone.

  153. if it’s single digits then I dont know what kind of momentum she gets. She needs at least 10 points .. realistically to go into a lions den of North Carolina and a possible dog fight Indiana.

  154. Hillary can certainly get double digits.

    In the event that SE Penn turns out like many believe it will, Hillary would need to turn out unprecedented numbers in the other regions or “small town” pennsylvannia + republicans under the influence of Rush Limbaugh.

    If Hillary can talke all these regions by around 65% or more, she will likely win by double digits in Penn overall, though I would think the delegate total would be pretty close.

  155. The ARG Poll for Apr 16th for NC has Clinton 41% to Obama 52%, thats 3 up for her and 1 up for him.

    Whats unusual in this poll is a big change from last time.

    26% say they wont vote for Clinton, 24% say they wont vote for Obama

    Obama’s figure for never vote for has gone up about 10%.

  156. anyways, I think the overall tone of the campaign is to cede the certainly pro-bambi voters to him while focusing on turning out large numbers of traditional Hill voters to oppose him.

  157. Drudge has a picture of the Pope and the caption: God bless America!

    So I immediately thought of Wright in contrast.

  158. You guys act like Philadelphia and surrounding areas are all AAs. I don’t think so…and I still don’t trust the polls. Too much poll manipulation going on…so don’t focus on the poll and just get out the vote.

    It’s the voter that counts not the polls. The rest of this stuff is PR and voter suppression

  159. moonpluto, I don’t trust that ARG poll. NC is going to be very very hard for Hillary. Large student population (from what I hear from friends, a lot of students have registered to vote) and large AA population. + this area has more of the upper-class vote than in states like Penn.

  160. MJS is right about this. Philadelphia is going to be the most difficult area for her to do well in and it really helps that Nutter is on her side. Think back to MA, she had Menino on her side so even though Obama was expected to do MUCH better in Boston than that, she was able to keep his margin down thanks to Menino and his GOTV help. They basically split Boston, or he won by a little bit, and she won basically everywhere else. That is why local endorsements matter even though she doesn’t get any glory from the MSM for it. The demographics do favor her in PA, so long as Obama is not eating into her white vote. If the vote goes the way Ohio went, with the same demographic break downs, she wins by an even bigger margin than OH. However, if he eats into her demos than she cannot win by such big margins. So that is the question for PA, I think, does he eat into her favorable demographics or not?

  161. @MJS – will you please stop posting so many -ve msgs.. you are just spamming the board with how hillary can not win PA by double digits and she will lose NC by double digits to bambi…

  162. why can’t she win with double digits when the overall AA vote in state is 11% and demographics favor her..

  163. MJS, I am not sure about the strategy you mentioned. I know the call lists I have worked on have specifically been Obama leaners. This, to me, is a good sign because it may mean that they are comfortable with their solid supporters. They are also continuing to reach out to African Americans, though I don’t think she will make any headway there.

  164. CNN – Lou saying again that the only ones calling for HRC to get out of the race are Ozomba supporters.

    Malveaux in Philly and tons of HRC supporters out. I beleive Lou said there were 4 times as many HRC as BO demonstrators.


  165. I don’t think there’s any question Hill will take PA by at least double digits. All the signs are there, including the bogus polls.

    Question I have is will it be 11% or 17%.

    A little positivity there for you, jithendra.

  166. jithendra, these is realistic data. prove me wrong. I’ve pointed out ways Hillary can get double digit wins. Either by winning philadelphia, which is certainly possible, or by turning out large numbers of voters in other areas to diminish the size of the philly voting bloc.

    If you want me to be unrealistically optimistic then here you go:

    LIKE…OMG!@ Hillary WILL WIN PA by…LIEK….90%!

  167. dot48, I agree, that low percentage of people worried about health care struck me as VERY strange….and one reason why I am skeptical of the poll. Has that been the case in ANY other state? Not that I have noticed anyways. And THAT would certainly eat into her lead because health care is where she has a HUGE advantage over Obama.

    For those of you in PA, what are you seeing and feeling on the ground?

  168. lou got susie malvoie lol.she looked like oh said to her well the only ones calling her to quit is his supporters and then said obama should get out of the race lol

    she has the signs in Philly hes toast
    penn they cling to there guns there faith
    there not going to forget it
    in that booth will be there decision..i think they are or might do is what NH did..that will be just lovely..

  169. I will say, though, that the PPP most likely overweighted the AA vote. The AA vote should be around 14% this time (assuming Obama gets his usual slight increase of AA voters who register during his contests)

  170. The FRIGGIN POLLS are pure BS!!!!!!!

    We KNOW that, eveyone. Forget the friggin polls! Forget what the news is saying. Screw ’em all. They’re just trying to demoralize us. Having experienced this 3 times since January, I’ve finally internalized that it’s a CROCK and we gotta stop falling for it!

    Having said that, I’m still too much of a coward to tune into the debate so will be checking here for info. 😳

  171. Jithendra, while I don’t think people should be overly negative, I think MJS is being honest. And instead of decrying what is reality, we should all work extra, extra hard for Hillary and make more calls, donate more, go to PA, go to IN, go to NC, etc.

  172. Thursday, April 17

    7:30 – 9 pm
    284 McCormick Ave, State College, PA 16801
    Special Guest: Joanne Tosti-Vasey, Candidate for PA State Assembly, 171st House District
    Hosted by Jane Sheeder, 814-238-2869 and Justine Andronici,, 814-364-9391

    DOWNINGTON (west of Philadelphia)
    6:30 pm to 8:30 pm
    275 Spring Run Lane, Downingtown PA 19335
    Hosted by Larry and Linda Davis and their daughter
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    7-9 PM
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    Hosted by Mary Landis
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    11 am – 1 pm Brunch
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    CLINTON (Pittsburgh suburb)
    2 – 4:30 pm
    96 Combs Rd, Clinton, PA 15026
    Hosted by Deborah Evans Crawford and Phyllis Wetherby, 412-241-4844
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    3-5 pm
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    6:30 – 8:30 pm
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    2:00 – 4:30 p.m.
    320 Comstock Dr, N. Huntingdon, PA 15642
    Hosted by Deanna DellaVedova, 412-824-1156,

    1 – 4 pm
    “NOW con Hillary” at the Cobre Restaurant
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  173. I really hope Hillary takes Philadelphia. If she takes Philadephia by 10-15% or more, then she will probably win the state by 20% or easily more. I am really hopeful that this will be the case 🙂

    Let’s pull of a nevada when we surprisingly won 7 our of 9 of the casino caucus sites!! 😀

  174. MJS, it seemed to me that they measured African American turnout right. It was 16 percent in OH, and I believe it will be similar or slightly higher in PA…so 14 percent is low. The one thing with SUSA is that they tend to underestimate african american support in their polling.

    And Basil9, I am way too chicken too. I will be keeping up here!

  175. honestly, North Carolina will need the strongest Hillary support, and I think HRC knows it. That’s why she’s doing unique ads like the “jewel” ad and specially for North Carolina because it will be her toughest state in all of the upcoming primaries.

    I personally think “jewel” was a great idea. Appeal to some AA women so that at least that vote has a chance of being split evenly between her and Bambi.

  176. has any research been don/e on the percentage of undecided’s who actually end up voting vs sitting out?

  177. >>It was 16 percent in OH, and I believe it will be similar or slightly higher in PA…so 14 percent is low.

    AA population in OHIO is more than in PA.. so how can poll turnout in PA will be more or euqal to OHIO…

  178. Notice how the polls are closing. The same thing happened here in Ohio. Did we not pull it out for Hillary.
    This will happened in PA I still say the polls are fixed. What about the absentee ballots

  179. Hillary’s weakest vote is from AA men to be honest. The reason Hillary is getting 17-25% of the AA vote and not just 0% is because around 40% or 30% of AA women are going for her while a much smaller number of AA men are for her.

    If Hillary can take some more of the AA male vote, then she will have a great chance of eeking out a win in NC.

  180. neetabug, I totally agree that they fix polls leading up to the primary. And jithendra, survey usa actually did nail Ohio. I believe they predicted 10 points, nobody else was predicting that.

    And about the African American population in OH vs. PA, I am not sure. I thought PA was higher, but I could be wrong. Anyone have any other info? Also, it could be that the percentage of Dem primary voters who are AA is higher in PA than in OH since OH was an open primary and PA is closed (and most AA voters are registered Dems).

  181. that’s very much it Magonimist (about the closed primary)

    i’m not sure how the elimination of independents affects bambi though.

  182. check out these videos
    We are the Champions video

    shine your light down on me video

  183. MJS, she has NOT been getting 17 percent since SC (oddly enough…that was the state where she got the most AA support with the exception of NYC)…she got like 8 or 10 percent in OH, I expect it to stay that way.

  184. MJS, thanks for the reality check. We must not become complacent and really, really get out the vote for Hillary Clinton.

  185. basil 9, I am a coward too, I am at work, but I could go out to the waiting room and watch, but am just plain scared to. LOL!!! Hope everyone blogs well here tonight! Those of us who are cowards are depending on you!!

  186. anyone here in MI?

    On January 15, 2008, nearly 600,000 Michigan Democrats went to the polls to make their voices heard in the Democratic Presidential primary. The popular vote in Florida and Michigan has been counted, certified by election officials in each state, and officially tallied by the secretary of state in each state.

    Our votes cannot be ignored. We will not be disenfranchised.

    The DNC’s refusal to count our votes and seat our delegates according to the ballots cast on January 15 compromises our civil liberties and our voting rights. This decision affects the rights of ALL Michigan residents regardless of political affiliation.

    Michigan, let your voice be heard.

    Join together in a grassroots effort to ensure voting privileges and protect the right to vote for future generations.

    Demand that our votes be counted and delegates seated based on the Jan. 15 poll results or that a new Michigan primary take place.

    Demand that the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee take the necessary steps to ensure the voices of the people of Michigan are heard and its delegates are seated at the Democratic convention this summer.

    Where: Michigan State Capitol Building, Lansing, Mi.

    Date: Thursday, April 17, 2008

    Time: 12:00 PM

  187. carby I agree. We can’t take anything for granted. Maybe we needed a jolt. Work is what it takes, Hillary is for sure doing her part.

  188. no problem carbynew. I’ve noticed this pattern where the board gets more and more optimistic with Hillary’s favored states as time passes by (i.e. expecting huge margins in Ohio, Texas, etc)

    We must stay grounded, face the reality at the moment, and try to change that reality for the better.

  189. well i for one am not chicken 😀 i can’t wait to watch the debate, i have been anxious all week!

    I can’t wait to see him look like the bambi that he is 😀

  190. i hope Obama gets a lot of BOOs tonight 😀 wipe the smirks off of some bambambots’ faces 😀 though I think they’ll be too busy orgasming over Obama’s every stutter

  191. MJS,

    It’s not that I EXPECT a huge margin in PA, I KNOW this area; I’ve lived in the NE most of my life. PA is OHIO all over again only more so. The polls are BS. There is NO WAY she loses this state. And if I’m wrong, I’ll have to give up on politics. I’m not a betting person but I would BET good money on her winning PA.

    I’m the type that on the few times I’ve gone to Atlantic City I’ve made a beeline for the nickle slots. She’s going to dominate PA. She owns this state.


  192. i wonder if they will be sitting or standing. I personally like standing better. Looks better for Hillary, it looks like he’s looking down on her!LOL!

  193. I wish i was in Philly standing outside. In Cleveland we had so much fun. It was snowing and cold but well worth it.

  194. basil9, i’m not saying she’s going to lose PA. I’m talking about Philadelphia region only, as that is nearly 1/2 of the votes in a democratic primary there. I’m not uncertain Hillary will win. I trust she will win 100%. However, by what margin will make all the difference in the world and I want her to win by the largest margin possible.

  195. thank god I live in IL. lol. it would suck if I was in a state where everyday i woke up to a barrage of Obama’s ugly face on my tv screen.

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