The Bitter Snob And Big Media Against Hillary Clinton

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Barack Obama, aided by Big Media, will try to turn the word “bitter” into the more palatable “angry and frustrated”. Obama, aided by Big Media will try to turn denigrating words against working class voters who will not vote for him, into an argument for his type of “change”. Hillary’s campaign cannot let Obama get away with this latest distraction and distortion.

Jut Jaw

Recall, last year Obama spent weeks working on a speech to present what was supposed to be his well considered thoughts on American foreign policy. In that speech Obama declared “If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”

After riots in Pakistan and denunciations by the other Democratic candidates, Obama changed his words from “if Musharraf won’t act” to “if Musharraf cannot act”. We wrote at the time:

Obama then, changed his words from “won’t act” to “cannot act” (see the transcript above) and has the audacity to insult Senator Dodd and accuse Dodd of either not having read Obama’s bomb of a speech or of mistating what Obama was saying. In other words, Obama the liar, was calling Senator Dodd a liar.

Big Media cooperated fully with Obama’s distractions and distortions.

At that time, the Hillary campaign did not run advertisments highlighting Obama’s international provocations. Obama and Big Media shifted the real to the unreal, “won’t” to “cannot”. The same thing is happening again.

The New York Times has stepped up to help Obama. Here is how the New York Times shifts the Obama remarks, WITHOUT ONCE in the entire article mentioning the word “BITTER”:

“Mr. Obama recently told a group of fund-raisers in San Francisco that small-town voters like those in Pennsylvania “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a way to explain their frustrations. Since his remarks were revealed on Friday, he has tried to walk back part of what he said.”

“On Saturday, Mr. Obama said that he “didn’t say it as well as I should have,” and said that he meant that voters in economically depressed towns expressed their anxiety at the polls by focusing on cultural and social issues like immigration and gun laws”.

Today’s Rasmussen poll, touted even by pro-Hillary bloggers, follows the Obama distract and distort strategy. Rasmussen asks voters questions without mentioning the word “bitter” but rather “frustration”. “Obama said that in small towns in Pennsylvania, people “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” Do you agree or disagree?” and “Senators Clinton and McCain said Obama’s comments showed he was out of touch with hardworking Americans. Do Obama’s comments reflect an elitist view of small-town America?

Rasmussen reports that 56% of voters nationwide disagree with Obama using the above first question. Imagine the results if the actual word “bitter” was used in the question. Here is the key paragraph from Rasmussen’s analysis:

The survey also confirmed that the Obama campaign and its surrogates were very shrewd to try and switch the conversation to whether or not people are bitter and want change in Washington. Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters agreed with Obama’s statement that “People are fed up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter, and they want to see a change in Washington.” Just 32% disagree. Most Democrats and most unaffiliated voters agree with Obama on this point. Clinton’s campaign initially challenged Obama’s use of the word “bitter” but quickly changed its focus to the more controversial aspects of Obama’s statement.

Obama, aided by Big Media is distorting, distracting and disguising his remarks once again. The Hillary campaign cannot cooperate with this Obama disguise strategy.

What exactly did Obama actually say and what was the context of his condescending remarks? Obama said the following to wealthy donors in San Francisco, chuckling at the rubes in Ohio and Pennsylvania, to explain why working class voters are not voting for him:

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

From the beginning of the “bitter” controversy, the New York Times narrative of this story has been “Hillary on the attack“. Today, Alessandra Stanley fixates her commentary on the Hillary as attacker narrative.

Note how Stanley replaces “bitter” with “frustration” when describing Obama’s remarks in San Francisco in these excerpts:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton showed no mercy at the “compassion forum.” … But Mrs. Clinton, who spoke first, didn’t shrink from also going on the attack. … And with a straight face, Mrs. Clinton simultaneously claimed the high ground, saying twice that she would allow Mr. Obama to speak for himself on the matter, noting “he does an excellent job of that.” … It was a tour de force: Mrs. Clinton managed to take the shiv in chivalry and stick it to her opponent, all the while looking and sounding almost saintly.

That evil Hillary, says the New York Times.

Many Hillary supporters think that perhaps right wing Big Media pundits can be relied upon to rebuke Obama regarding this “bitter” episode. That is a vain hope. William Kristol whose first sentence printed in the New York Times was a “thank you” to Obama for ending the Clinton era opines today on “bitter”.

Kristol, like all the right wing Big Media will twist the story to benefit Republican McCain, not Hillary. Referencing Karl Marx, and Obama’s own religious claims, Kristol exercises the arguments Republicans will employ against Obama:

Obama ascribes their anti-trade sentiment to economic frustration — as if there are no respectable arguments against more free-trade agreements. This is particularly cynical, since he himself has been making those arguments, exploiting and fanning this sentiment that he decries. Aren’t we then entitled to assume Obama’s opposition to Nafta and the Colombian trade pact is merely cynical pandering to frustrated Americans?

Then there’s what Obama calls “anti-immigrant sentiment.” Has Obama done anything to address it? It was John McCain, not Obama, who took political risks to try to resolve the issue of illegal immigration by putting his weight behind an attempt at immigration reform.

Furthermore, some concerns about unchecked and unmonitored illegal immigration are surely legitimate. Obama voted in 2006 (to take just one example) for the Secure Fence Act, which was intended to control the Mexican border through various means, including hundreds of miles of border fence. Was Obama then just accommodating bigotry?

As for small-town Americans’ alleged “antipathy to people who aren’t like them”: During what Obama considers the terrible Clinton-Bush years of economic frustration, by any measurement of public opinion polling or observed behavior, Americans have become far more tolerant and respectful of minorities who are not “like them.” Surely Obama knows this. Was he simply flattering his wealthy San Francisco donors by casting aspersions on the idiocy of small-town life?

Kristol discusses guns and the constitutional right to bear arms then does McCain’s work:

What does this mean for Obama’s presidential prospects? He’s disdainful of small-town America — one might say, of bourgeois America. He’s usually good at disguising this. But in San Francisco the mask slipped. And it’s not so easy to get elected by a citizenry you patronize.

And what are the grounds for his supercilious disdain? If he were a war hero, if he had a career of remarkable civic achievement or public service — then he could perhaps be excused an unattractive but in a sense understandable hauteur. But what has Barack Obama accomplished that entitles him to look down on his fellow Americans?

Big Media and the Right Wing are not going to help Hillary. Quite the contrary.

Hillary might not be a war hero by Kristol’s lights (even as right wing website DrudgeReport sports a picture today of Hillary and John McCain in battle gear) but she is a heroic woman.

This weekend nasty Obama tried to denigrate Hillary Clinton by comparing her to Annie Oakley. Annie Oakley is an icon of American history. Obama needs a refresher course in American history not written by his “Pastor” Wright.

This morning nasty Obama “mocked” Hillary for going to an Indiana working class bar. Obama’s own visits to working class bars and bowling alleys in Pennsylvania have not gone well for him.

When Obama’s San Francisco remarks were exposed for all small town citizens to hear, Obama initially defended his remarks. “I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana … who are bitter.”

Obama’s insults and condescension towards small town America is not the story Big Media wants to write. Today the question in the New York Times is Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton must make a decision: mount a feisty new assault on Senator Barack Obama, or present a more congenial face to the public.

More, from the abusive, distorting and distracting New York Times:

As a result, Mrs. Clinton finds herself like a basketball team trailing at game’s end and having to watch precious seconds tick off the clock. That leaves some Democratic observers predicting a serene and civil performance on her part, rather than the combative approach advocated by her chief strategist, Mark Penn, before he was ousted from that post a week ago.

“Senator Clinton doesn’t want to do anything that makes her look like a spoiler,” said Bill Carrick, a veteran Democratic strategist. In a similar vein, William A. Galston, who was a White House aide to Bill Clinton, predicted that both candidates would avoid “an overly contentious tone” at a time when the party’s pivotal blue-collar constituency is yearning for solutions to fix an ailing economy. [snip]

Yet Mr. Obama’s description of that very constituency as “bitter” in its political attitudes toward the economy has clouded his prospects for making inroads with those voters, both in the general election and in the primaries. And it has fueled Mrs. Clinton’s hopes for matching last week’s feat by the University of Kansas basketball team, which rallied to beat Memphis for the N.C.A.A. men’s championship by battling until the buzzer and capitalizing on its opponent’s mistakes.

By effectively exploiting Mr. Obama’s remarks in Wednesday’s debate, which is being hosted by ABC, Mrs. Clinton could reach every group she is trying to reach: swing voters in Pennsylvania, Indiana and the other remaining primary states; uncommitted superdelegates with doubts about Mr. Obama’s ability to win in the general election; and the news media.

“Clinton will be more aggressive,” predicted Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s campaign manager in 2000 and a Democratic National Committee member who is neutral in this race. “This is still a ‘do better or prepare to lose’ moment.”

Donna Brazile, a “neutral” – what a joke. Here is the counter-argument to ours:

Boring in on Mr. Obama’s words carries risk for Mrs. Clinton as well. Democratic voters in this race have proved repeatedly that they do not always share the temporary preoccupations of the news media or the campaigns themselves.[snip]

Mr. Obama’s advisers say he will be ready to respond forcefully, and warn that Mrs. Clinton has already shown signs of over-reaching in her remarks over the weekend defending gun owners in the same breath as devout churchgoers. Mrs. Clinton is “acting like Annie Oakley and Billy Graham all in one,” said David Plouffe, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, “and she’s neither.”

Mrs. Clinton may not need to bring up Mr. Obama’s words at all in the debate, since the moderators, Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulos, are almost certain to do so on their own. A new contretemps could also intervene by the time the candidates take the stage in a campaign that has been stamped by unpredictability.

If Gibson or Stephanoupoulos or any Big Media outlet bring up the “bitter” controversy it will not be to the benefit of Hillary. No matter what Hillary does Big Media and Obama will claim that Hillary is “attacking”. Whether Hillary “attacks” or not, the headline will be “Hillary Attacks”. Hillary will incur the penalty without the benefit.

The Hillary campaign will be accused of attacking no matter what it does. Why not actually try to shape the argument with paid media? Why not this time discuss the issue the way it should be discussed? Why let Obama continue his attacks on small town America without a full, paid, response?

Small town America deserves a full-throated defense from the bitter words of the Chicago thugs.

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828 thoughts on “The Bitter Snob And Big Media Against Hillary Clinton

  1. I read that Times piece too. Barf.

    However, Kristol takes his turn ripping Obama for bitter comments.

  2. yeah, I’m first. I hate big media!

    more gems from Michelle Obama –

    freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1972093/posts

  3. love that picture of uppity Mr. Obama! Muslim’s like to put women in their place!LOoks just like what he is doing!!

  4. I hope people know just HOW huge this new Auchi revelation is. Auchi had ties to Saddam Hussein and played a not so smart role in Hussein’s power.

    This is big. If Big Media picks up on it, Obama is in deep shit.

  5. wasn’t one of the things his church believed in was denouncing mediocracy or middle-classness. I believe it was one of those along with loving africa, and rejecting middleclassness. If anyone has one of those old tucc programs, i think it says that!

  6. i think hillary should just find a good opening to be funny and charming, and when he says something stupid, hillary should just say:

    ‘I’M SORRY BARACK, I GUESS I’M JUST BITTER…’ (smiles impishly)
    JUST KIDDING… (laughs tartly)

    thats what i think she should do at the debate.
    if asked more explicitly about what she said in response to his statement, cause you know they cant wait to tar and feather her for that…
    she should say:

    ‘WELL I’M SORRY BARACK, BUT AS A FORMER SMALL TOWN GIRL, YOU HURT MY FEELINGS…’

    (then barack can say. ‘thats okay hillary your just bitter enough’, or some thing ‘hopeful’ like that)…

    🙂

    oh, than she should throw back a beer, and a shot of crown royal…
    tehehe

  7. which is why Hillary should exactly run some ads using HIS OWN words .. bitter.

    FCUK him and big media.

  8. This is a great post by Larry Johnson – Obama missed the 90s:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/14/obama-missed-the-nineties/

    nice kicker:

    “It is time for Democrats to call Barack on his bullshit. He has embarked on a deliberate campaign to disparage the positive accomplishments of the Bill Clinton era. I know why. He’s scared to death that Americans will support Hillary if they take time to remember about what was actually accomplished in the Clinton Administration while the press obsessed over Bill getting a blow job in the Oval Office. The American economy was in good shape and Americans prospered.

    Barack will lie about Bill Clinton for his own political ends. He’s doing his own bamboozle by trying to convince middle class Americans that they suffered under Bill Clinton. But the truth is otherwise. America’s middle class did pretty good under Bill Clinton. It is a Republican President and a Republican Congress who squandered the fruits of a balanced budget and growing economy. If Barack were honest, and a real leader, that’s where he would focus his wrath. But Barack is not honest. He will lie to secure his own advantage. He will trash everything achieved during Bill Clinton’s eight years in office. While Clinton can be criticized on several issues, his stewardship of the U.S. economy was sound. What Barack Obama is trying to do is flat out wrong. Let’s call it the “Audacity of Arrogance.”

  9. stupid Jimmy Carter, meeting with the palestinians. I love Fox putting together Carter with Obama, I love it!

  10. Great post, admin. It becomes increasingly clear, day by day, that Obama is out of touch with working Americans. By his own words, he doesn’t respect their faith, views them as bitter, and purports to know what every American feels and thinks.

  11. That NYTimes piece by Alessandra Stanley also says this about Barry the Bitter:

    When it was his turn, Mr. Obama tried to explain that his remark, which he said was “clumsy,” had been misunderstood by critics and distorted for political gain by Mrs. Clinton. (Last week, he told donors in San Francisco that some working-class people “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them” as a way to explain their frustrations.) But the television camera has a way of zooming in on discomfort. Mr. Obama sounded defensive, and his explanations were stilted and uneven.

  12. yup that Carter thing doing no favours. He should sit in a corner and STFU, he makes a mess of it.

  13. Outside of loyal democrats, Jimmy Carter is probably the least liked democratic President (while in office) of the past 50 years.

  14. Exactly, Ininla. Obama has been following a scorched-earth policy against Bill Clinton’s stellar economic record ever since January. He constantly lies about and distorts the raw facts and data. Bill Clinton and Al Gore presided over America’s greatest economic period in the nation’s history — that is a fact. Instead, Obama fixates on NAFTA (which, according to statistics, has actually done a lot of good, even though it hasn’t been perfect) and tries to distract voters from the real accomplishments of the Clinton/Gore administration.

  15. The Ozombas are a funny lot, everyone knows the SUSA polls are always dead on the money and thats why they are shitting themselves over PA up by 18 and Indiana up by 16 because they sit waiting for these polls and then its bad news they go apeshit and say its unreliable as they doing now over the new IND poll.

    However we all know, they got California spot on , the only one who did, they got Ohio spot on, they got Florida spot on and they got Texas practically right and most of the rest, so lets face it, if SUSA says she’s up by 18 in PA, and she’s up 16 in Indiana, she fucking well is.

  16. tiburones Says:

    …. Guys, when you write GArin back, tell him to ask Hillary to continue to do the canvassing in the neighborhoods. That shows her as a real person and that she is not to ‘elite’ to ask for votes. She always comes off well when she does that.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Hillary canvassing door-to-door?? Man, I knew I was already not doing enough for the campaign (you know, some donations, talk to people. working in PHilly…but I have a full time job, and the rest is laziness)… but now I want to puke. She is awesome. I am so proud of that woman.

  17. Well, Rendell says 5-9 in PA, so I am sticking with that.

    If Hill’s name was brought up in a corruption case involving a man who helped her purchase her home, and a man with ties to Saddam Hussein, it would be headline news.

  18. Keep yakking BodyOdor Man

    Ya’ll keep calling to PA. A blow out there will give us momentum into the next states.

  19. Never thought i’d see the fucking day

    CBS finally reporting Clinton with a 20 point lead in PA.

    I’m in shock

  20. 10 or above in percentage is all we need, however, the more VOTES the better for her case. It’s possible to win by 18 .. keep calling and reaching out to voters .. it works.

  21. berkeley vox – these inane rumors about Gore – I can’t imagine he’d support BO who trashes an administration Gore was part of and helped make successful. It’s completely insulting.

    mj – it wouldn’t just be headline news if it were Clinton and Auchi, it would be THE END. Poof. The Double Standards keep my jaw on the floor still…

  22. rgb,

    Check the great pics of HRC canvassing! It’s at HRC under blogs. Gorgeous images and she’s ALWAYS smiling. 😀

  23. Support this issue:
    Media Ownership Reform Act (MORA)
    The Media Ownership Reform Act seeks to restore integrity and diversity to America’s media system by lowering the number of media outlets that one company is permitted to own in a single market. The bill also reinstates the Fairness Doctrine to protect fairness and accuracy in journalism.

    http://www.house.gov/hinchey/issues/mora.shtml

  24. be careful of media though .. they will try to set the stage for his defeat and craft it that only his fuck up lead the way for her. I know from the people in PA that this is not true…that is what she has to be ready for. I still think this in part was a guise by him to let himself off the hook of a loss in the upcoming states .. he is just so inexperienced he had no clue how to set it up.

    Dumb Fcuk

  25. moononpluto – I have to wonder if the news was just waiting for an excuse to show THE REAL polls. She’s been polling internally very close to BO in NC, and the news never reports it. Now maybe they have a reason to and won’t look like they’re the asses -they can blame everything on the “bitter/cling” comments and not their own propping of BO.

  26. Hence why a big win should be underplayed and is being done so, so that a big win comes out looking like a complete rout.

  27. i have a feeling the media is trying to re-up the bar for Hillary so that if she gets anything below a certain percentage, they will call for her to get out of the race or point to a stunning Barack comeback or something…

  28. carbynew – when this is over, I’m with you. Will be helping with trying to get the media reformed. These media and all their puppet pundits are crap.

  29. mj, Susa has us up by 18%

    ARG has us up 20%

    I’d say that’s pretty safe bet that Hillary will be at least winning by double digits.

  30. love this diary

    I see O supporters have entered stage 3 of: “Pennsylvania? We have a problem.”

    Stage one was to deny there was a problem. This stage began with the belief that it would all just “blow over,” as the previous media honeymoon with Obama has usually resulted in a refusal to report on Obama gaffes. This stage can be perfectly represented on DU, through threads with titles such as “Obama is a genius… the bitter comment is brilliant,” which were common at the onset of this fiasco.

    Stage two was deflection en masse, induced by panic, and began soon after Obama gave his disingenuous apology. How could Obama supporters reconcile their previous denial, with their leaders’ open confession of wrong-doing? Due to extreme panic, Obama supporters began to incoherently attempt to deflect the issue, typically by bringing up either Bosnia or Clinton’s 5 year old IWR vote. A simple search of the word “Bosnia” in the GDP forum brings 132 hits in the past two days. “Sniper” gets 223 hits in the past two days.

    Stage three (it is currently unclear whether or not this is the final stage), is extreme, uncontrollable anger. This can be characterized through the generic “Why didn’t the just drop out? Now we’re going to lose to Mccain!” threads. In the minds of most Obama supporters, it is Clinton who is responsible for Obama’s latest gaffe. This results in a “how dare this woman stand against the inevitable?” mentality, as anger is misdirected away from the “gaffe-creator” (Obama)toward the traditional, “common enemy” (Clinton).

    lol

  31. It nots the poll, its the swing thats important guys, last week ARG had them at 45% each and suddenly, Clinton goes up 12 and Obama down 8, you dont get that unless there has been a huge baseball bat to the head swing.

  32. When Hillary criticizes BO, AP/Yahoo headlines it “Hillary Attacks Obama”
    When Obama attacks Hillary, it’s “Obama questions Hillary on trade”

    No mention of the new polls on Yahoo. When Obama leads, it makes the frontpage headlines.

  33. MJS Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
    mj, Susa has us up by 18%

    ARG has us up 20%

    I’d say that’s pretty safe bet that Hillary will be at least winning by double digits.

    That SUSA is a week old. I agree with whomever said this is the media trying to screw with us, so anything less than 20 points looks like a loss. i won’t help them.

  34. The best case scenario would be for Hillary to possibly win in Philadelphia and its surrounding areas. If she can win, even by 5-10% there, then Pennsylvannia should go to her by at least 20-30% because that’s her weakest area, and his strong suit. I trust that rural areas will turn out in droves for her.

    She should blitz Philadelphia with Nutter

  35. filbertsf Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
    When Hillary criticizes BO, AP/Yahoo headlines it “Hillary Attacks Obama”
    When Obama attacks Hillary, it’s “Obama questions Hillary on trade”

    No mention of the new polls on Yahoo. When Obama leads, it makes the frontpage headlines.

    Exactly. I noticed that immediately. Jerks.

  36. She should blitz Philadelphia with Nutter

    What about Murtha? Where is he? Murtha’s constituents are the type of folks Obama insulted.

  37. filbert, the people Murtha appeals to are also the people Hillary appealed to. I sure Murtha would help and is helping in rural areas, but I think Nutter, and posibly other strong black supporters blitzing Philadelphia would do the best to stifle Obama’s strongest and most resilient supporters.

    If we can cut Obama’s lead in the black vote down to even 60 or 55%, I think we can effectively make a large dent in Obama’s delegate lead.

  38. Witness: Obama Attended Rezko Party

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iQRxkYTsoPZU4eCBGiXoTgkGtScAD901RR600

  39. I find it very insightful that 2 polls today show 2 states with massive swings to HRC and not just little one but huge honking ones, that can only mean one thing FREEFALL.

    Add that to Obama’s support in Florida is 38 to McCains 53 and Clinton would win Florida, means there are HUGE problems. I’d be shitting myself in Obama HQ if i had to deliver those poll details.

  40. nope

    The SUSA INdiana poll today is Clinton 55 to 39 and the new ARG PA todays is Clinton 57 to 37.

    The detail in both show huge swings to Clinton.

  41. can’t WAIT for the debate 😀 I’d love to see the host questioning Obama on Auchi, Rezko, Bitter-gate, Wright, Ayers, etc 😀

  42. Hillary is going to dominate pennsylvannia. mark my words, and then North Carolina will start looking too close for comfort for Bam Bam too 😀

  43. moononpluto – the Obamabots:

    The stages of Grief:

    * Denial (this isn’t happening to me!)
    * Anger (why is this happening to me?)
    * Bargaining (I promise I’ll be a better person if…)
    * Depression (I don’t care anymore)
    * Acceptance (I’m ready for whatever comes)

  44. What kind of story leaves out the main point cited in the headline?
    Major proofreading error or more fun-n-games;
    The original story on previous thread had the response in the affirmative.

    He said he had flown Rezko’s family back from Mexico the same day so that they would be in Chicago in time for the party.
    “Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn was there?” Rezko attorney Joseph J. Duffy asked.
    “Yes, Sir,” Levine answered.
    “Mr. and Mrs. Obama were there?” Duffy asked.
    Levine testified, however, that “the governor was a no-show.”

  45. btw, can someone send that Auchi thing to Donna Brazille? 🙂 love to hear her retort/excuse for that 😀

  46. MJS, you should know by now that they aren’t going to ask BO anything that will hurt his feeling or chances at the WH.

    If they are, they’ll frame it in a way that shows him a victim of political snipes.

    Just like CNN last night wasted 10 minutes or so of Hillary’s time basically questioning why she’s attacking/questioning BO bitter remark.

  47. Gore’s CurrentTV is really a waste. It would be nice if it could be the place that counters MSM. Instead, it’s a complete wasteland.

    Have you guys checked it out? It’s basically air videos that are sent in by amateur filmmakers or whatever. Useless.

  48. ur prbbly right filbert, but I’m hoping it will surprise us, like when Russert questioned Obama on Farrakhan 😀

    Anyways, please, someone send the news to Brazile 🙂 I want to see her brain implode with indignation and shock 🙂

  49. what is fox saying about Obama right now?

    i have a feeling Hannity is jumping for joy about this new material….:D

  50. Rasmussen: “This is going to shift – and GROW.”

    Emphasizes people’s dislike with remarks is in “Cling to religion and guns”, as discussed earlier.

  51. I have Filbert, from time to time . It totally blows.

    They’re airing BO’s cynical remarks about Hill;
    the campaign should call MR New Politics on this – hard!

  52. Aw, the networks are stopping with the bitter story –
    and moving on to the latest from Reverand Wright!

  53. And after Rev Wright, I hope they move on to the latest from Rezko 😀 and then rinse and repeat the process again!

  54. Bob (0-for-8 in presidential elections) flailing for BO on Hardball.

    Talk about establishment. Jeez!

  55. i don’t think media outlets like CNN/FOX NEWS/MESSNBC matter that much.

    right now, its what the LOCAL news is reporting that should be given attention to 😀

  56. FOX NEWS SAYING AL GORE AND PRES CARTER, TO COME OUT AND CALL FOR HILLARY TO QUIT THE RACE, FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY…

    I READ THIS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, BUT DIDNT BELIEVE IT….

  57. Bob Schrum on MSNBC trying to raise the bar to 20% so if Hillary doesn’t match that then Obama won…and politico writer is talking about how Obama can’t win the G.E. story. Tweety is framing it as Clinton slander against precious.

    Yeah, these loser dem stratigists are pathetic and Bob Schrum has NEVER won a winning presidential campaign…and he’s talking like his words should mean something.

    Winners talk to Winners…losers are on cable being political pundits.

  58. I wish Pulch was here… he may know this.

    Do any of you guys know what precentage of AA make up the Democratic electorate in NC? Why are we not doing well in NC?

  59. Look at this comment on Hill’s blog:

    Strange email from PA mayor
    I received an email from John Fetterman, Mayor of Braddock, PA and a Barack supporter. It had the video of Barack’s response ( explanation) to PA remarks embedded and asked me to forward the info to others.

    I responded to him and indicated that I would not be doing so.

    by Arctic907 at 4/14/2008 5:03:52 PM

  60. filbertsf Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
    I wish Pulch was here… he may know this.

    Do any of you guys know what precentage of AA make up the Democratic electorate in NC? Why are we not doing well in NC?

    I think at least 34%

  61. Gore betrayal on top of Richardson .. bring it on. It’ll help Hillary even more.

    Don’t they get that the PEOPLE want to choose the nominee .. through the primaries and if NEITHER has enough delegates the RULES have been in place forever to have it go to the floor of the convention.

  62. I have 2 questions actually what has Al Gore done for the Democratic party since 2000 and well Carter, well dont even bother answering. Gore has no business in my book telling anyone to get out after walking out on Florida in 2000. When he could have fought.

  63. Does anyone in the party even respect Gore anymore?

    IMO Carter has 0 support, he was a total failure.

  64. I have an even better one. What has AL Gore done since REGO?

    (Which incidentally came at a Clinton’s direction)

    Here’s Carville on CNN…

  65. Hey All – can we stop passing around the false rumor about Gore/Carter thing from the Scotsman newspaper – Carter denied it this weekend. It’s propaganda, and we should stop viraling it around to Hillary supporters.

  66. Hey guys, Fox is the disseminator of false information. Let’s not put the cart before the horse.

    dot48, Gore is well-respected in among mainstream Dems, and in general. I’m not quick to criticize him because he’s done more than anyone to bring Global Warming crisis to the mass. Besides, he’s never harmed the Dem Party the way BO has.

    Like Hillary, Gore’s character has been attacked for merely telling the people things they don’t want to hear: the world is changing and we need to make changes before it’s too late.

  67. “Senator Barack Obama took a shot of a different kind at rival Hillary Clinton at a speech at a national manufacturing conference in Pittsburgh — mocking the New York Senator for drinking a shot of whiskey and a beer in front of television crews this weekend.

    “Around election time, candidates, they just can’t do enough. They’ll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals,” he said. “They’ll even come around, with TV crews in tow, and throw back a shot and a beer.”

    “But if those same candidates are taking millions of dollars in contributions from the PACs and the lobbyists, ask yourself, who are they going to be toasting once the election is over?”

    Obama neglected to mention his own TV drinking moment at Sharky’s Cafe in Latrobe, PA during his Pennsylvania bus tour — but it wasn’t forgotten by Clinton spokesman Phil Singer, who writes “with all due respect, this is the same politician who spent six days posing for cliched camera shots that included bowling gutterballs, walking around a sports bar, feeding a baby cow, and buying a ham at the Philly market.”

    “Sen. Obama’s speeches won’t hide his condescending views of Americans living in small towns,” said Singer.”

  68. filbertsf, I respect Gore very much but if he actually teams up with Carter and calls Hillary to quit, then he will lose me.

  69. Harrisburg, PA — Sen. Clinton continued her assault on Sen. Obama Sunday night after he accused her of taking his words out of context and exclaimed “shame on her” during a campaign event today.

    Asked about his “shame” remarks at a CNN-sponsored forum at Messiah College tonight, Clinton responded:

    “Well he will have to speak for himself and provide his own explanation. But I do think it raises a lot of concerns and weve seen that exhibited in the last several days by ppl in here in Pennsylvania, in Indiana where I was yesterday and elsewhere because it did seem so much in line with what often we are charged with. Someone goes to a closed-door fundraiser in San Francisco and makes comments that do seem elitist, out of touch and frankly, patronizing. That has nothing to do with him being a good man or a man of faith. We had tow very good men and men of faith run for president in 2000 and 2004 but large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life. And I think that is an issue for voters as I’ve heard today from people I visited in Scranton and elsewhere. So this is, this is a legitimate political issue. And there are some issues that are not but this one is.”

    In a written statement released Sunday, Clinton spokesman Phil Singer was a little more pointed, referring to Obama’s remarks as an “outburst.”

    “For months, Barack Obama and his campaign have relentlessly attacked Hillary Clinton’s character and integrity by using Republican talking points from the 1990s. The shame is his,” Singer said. “Sen. Clinton does know better — she knows better than to condescend and talk down to voters like Senator Obama did. Senator Obama’s outburst won’t change the fact that he has embraced his characterization of the millions of Americans who live in small towns.”

  70. meiyingsu, so far in this Primary, so many people I’ve liked and respected before are now dead to me. So I get what you’re saying.

  71. I respect Gore very much, and so does almost all the party at this point. He’s a wonderful person, accomplished much, ran a very honest campaign. And now he’s doing even better work — Nobel Prize, remember?

    Carter has handled the endorsement pressure well, saying he will not endorse TILL THE CONVENTION and that the only problem would be if SDs gave it to someone who does not have ALL THREE: POPULAR VOTE as well as delegates and number of states.

    These points are VERY FAVORABLE to HIllary.

    The Scotsman story is nonsense, emotional poison. Pls don’t anyone spread it.

  72. Pittsburgh, PA– Continuing her assault on her Democratic rival, Sen. Clinton said Monday that she doesn’t think Obama “really gets it that people are looking for a president who stands up for you and not looks down on you.”

    While Obama’s criticism of Clinton to the American Association of Manufacturers conference earlier in the morning were particularly well received, Clinton received some cat calls and booing as she launched into what is becoming her daily rebuke of Obama’s “bitter” comments from last week.

    “I understand my opponent came this morning and spent a lot of his time attacking me. Well, I know that many of you, like me, were disappointed by recent remarks that he made,” she said, receiving some shouts of “no” from the first few rows (commotion can be heard in video above). “I am well aware that at a fundraiser in San Francisco, he said some things that many people in Pennsylvania and beyond Pennsylvania have found offensive. He was explaining to a small group of his donors what people who live in small towns right here in Pennsylvania are like and why some of you aren’t voting for him. But instead of looking at himself, he blamed them…I don’t think he really gets it that people are looking for a president who stands up for you and not looks down on you.”

    She also slammed Obama for not yet taking up her call for President Bush to boycott the Olympic opening ceremonies in Beijing as she discussed the importance of standing up to China.

    “I’m still waiting for my Democratic opponent to give us a clear answer on the Olympics. He says he is of two minds,” Clinton said. “Well as a President you’ve got to be able to make up your mind and you’ve got to be able to stick with your decisions and if you can’t stand up to China over an opening ceremony, how are you going to stand up to China when it comes to trade.”

    During a discussion of the need to preserve U.S. manufacturing, she took to merging the names of Sen. McCain and President Bush as she continues her argument that a victory by her potential Republican rival in November amounts to a third term for 43.

    “We have a provision in the law that says we have to maintain our metals industry in America because its so instrumental to our national defense. President Bush and John McCain, I’ve taken to calling them McBush, have decided they don’t need that law anymore…and I’m gonna fight that,” she added.

    One other well received line came at the top of her response to a question about whether Americans can trust her on trade given her husband’s support for NAFTA.

    “Well as smart as my husband is, he does make mistakes,” she said to prolonged applause and laughter–enough to enable people to think it was not just a line about NAFTA.

  73. Everyone,
    Here is the action item for today from FDRjim.
    It’s an email to DB. donna@brazileassociates.com
    Here is the text.
    Ms. Brazile,
    I am asking that you, along with your colleagues, help repair the damage caused by this extreme punishment placed upon Florida voters.

    Help restore my faith in the electoral process and keep me and the millions of others in the arms of the Democratic Party.

    Embrace us as you always have.

    Do not cast us aside for the sake of arbitrary and unequal rules.

    Please do what is necessary to have the Florida primary results counted and the Florida Delegates seated in accordance with the January 29th primary.

    SIncerely,

  74. the problem for me with Carter is that the popular vote will EXCLUDE Fl and Mi ..

    Gore more than anyone should be advocating for the votes to count. His silence, for me, is troubling.

  75. Fuckin’ condescending bitch Andrea Mitchell.

    Matthews trying to create bogus negative hit on Hill regarding her shot in PA bar. Mitchell comes on and calls it the bar scene from Star Wars (w/all the freaky space monsters, remember?).

    Unreal.

  76. “continuing her assault on her rival”
    Clinton attacks on Obama…

    No wonder her favorability are always so low. These journalists make her out to be a monster.

  77. why do you people continue to watch that bullshit at msbnc and continue to tout it here.

    they are AGAINST Hillary .. don’t give them the freaking rating.

    I’m out of here to call for one more hour.

  78. I spoke with someone who worked for Gore months ago, and they said that he can’t stand the mainstream media – big reason why he would not run again – think about it, that’s why he created Current TV which is about citizen journalism (to bypass the MSM).

    I think his silence is because the media will rip him whatever he does. I think it’s best he stay out until post-convention, and can imagine that he empathizes with Clinton with what MSM is doing to her.

  79. dot48 Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
    the problem for me with Carter is that the popular vote will EXCLUDE Fl and Mi ..

    Gore more than anyone should be advocating for the votes to count. His silence, for me, is troubling.

    That’s a very good point. Gore should know about disenfranchising voters more than anyone. Too bad.

    It’s possible that Hollywood has gotten to him. Maybe he’s afraid he’ll lose funding/support for his cause if he spoke out in favor of Hillary.

  80. Fillbert, she is attacking him- on the permissible issue of his disconnect from voters and the creation of antipathy in voters because 👿 proves once again “politicians don’t care about the middle class.”

    We know Hillary cares. We know so because she s fighting and ATTACKING for our benefit.

    I have no quarrel with those words. none whatsoever. I’d rather have her fighting than lying down with dogs like 👿 and getting fleas.

  81. Ininla, Current TV is more like public access cable. Silly amateur videos. Last week, there was a guy who was getting his chest hair waxed. If that’s not hard hitting, I don’t know what is.

    Gore should have done more with Current TV. Perhaps have his own news show covering Election 2008. So far, nada.

  82. filbertsf – yeah, I know. i work with current TV folks sometimes…and wish they had more funding to create shows, but right now, seems like any network start-up getting off the ground – less expensive acquisitions of content and those made by amateurs.

  83. Here is also the snailmail text;
    BTW, FDR’s site is fldeservesrecognition.com Everyday he’s sending out email, snailmail and telephone contact info for targeted DNC people.
    Anyone who can call, here’s the number; 202-628-8081
    Donna’s address is:
    Ms. Donna Brazile
    Brazile and Associates
    PO Box 15369
    Washington, DC 20003

    (The position paper is quite long so I’m not posting it and I suggest you either delete the first paragraph or contact me and I’ll send the doc. hilaryhawke @ mhcable dot com
    April, 2008

    Dear ___________,

    I have enclosed the position paper from Florida Demands Recognition (FDR) – a grassroots coalition of volunteer Florida voters. I fully support their effort to deliver 1.5 million signed petitions to the DNC in early June.

    I, along with millions of other democrats across the nation, feel the DNC’s “punishment” of the Florida Democratic electorate is alienating and disenfranchising its own members. The DNC’s refusal to seat Florida delegates and COUNT its popular vote is an act of sabotage against Florida’s Democratic Party and, perhaps, the Democratic Party nationally.

    A few important facts enumerated in the enclosed statement I would like you to reflect upon include: Florida voters turned out in record numbers, 1.7 million Democrats cast their vote on January 29, 2008; they went to the polls well-informed through the debates and media coverage of the five primaries that preceded; all Democratic candidates’ names were on our ballots; and, most importantly, they went to the polls in ‘good faith’ that every vote truly does count.

    While I recognize the need to have established rules and procedures to effectively run the Presidential process, there comes a time when it is necessary to re-examine these rules and procedures. This time has arrived – and did so long ago. There is a point at which risks outweigh benefits. The risks to the Democratic Party and its ability to secure the Presidency after eight years of Republican mismanagement far outweigh the benefits by the continued insistence by our Party leaders to put rules above the will of millions of Florida voters.

    Democrats nationwide implore you, as a member of the Rules & By-laws Committee, to honor your revered role as a vanguard of the Democratic Party to protect the integrity of our Party and the future direction of the United States. Is it worth risking the Democratic Party, the support of its constituents, and the future of the United States by giving the Presidency to yet another Republican? Is it truly democratic to nominate a Presidential candidate without representation of all 50 States? It is clear the rules are broken and they can be fixed in time. But, the imminent damage by not listening to the will and the voices of millions of voters may never be overcome if the delegates from Florida are not seated and the votes of Democrats continued to be ignored. A leader in your position should be aware of the risk-reward benefit. In this situation, there is no benefit.

    For the sake of our future, of our Democratic Party, and in honor of those who have given their lives for a free democracy, please do what is in your power to seat Florida delegates BEFORE nominating the Presidential candidate at the Democratic National Convention and in accordance with the results of the Florida primary held January 29th, 2008.

    Respectfully,

    _____________________ (name)
    _____________________ (City/State

  84. ANYTHING that claims Carter is discouraging HIllary IS A LIE. Carter has said that he will not endorse till the convention — that is like saying Hillary should GO to the convention.

    So any such story is a lie — and tells us nothing true about Gore, either.

  85. Just read at tm that stuart levine just testified that Michelle and Barack were at the dinner party for Auchi! LOL!!

  86. lninla, aren’t there a lot of nonprofit organizations and advocate organizations that are willing to provide their services for free in exchange for getting their message out there?

    I know tv time can be very expensive, and I didn’t expect Current TV to become an instant success, but it has been 5 years, right?

  87. Rachel Maddow and Michele Bernard look they’re going to cry on Gregory right now.

    Most telling is ne commentator focusing on remainder of BO’s remarks, suggesting BO thinks half the country is racist!

    And that’s why I watch, to see where they’re steering things….

  88. filbertsf – wow, has it been that long.

    I’m not sure what you mean – yes, there are plenty of non-profits and services (though many of them suffering from cuts)…are you saying, they would supply equipment or content? Current TV is already picking up content from Sundance and other film fests; especially documentaries that they’re repackaging in shorter form. Networks take awhile to build – Current TV is connected to British V2 channel or something like that. Another network start-up I know – funded by Viacom – can do better original programming, but that’s Viacom and it’s U.S.

  89. Blue, if Rachel is defending BO’s comment (I’m not watching), then she’s a big hypocrite and a liar.

    As a former listener, she’s was all about the working class and how many in the Dem establishment has forgotten about them.

  90. She tried to deviate, saying it was the best thing that could happen to McCain. She’s pathetic.

  91. ADMIN et all……

    ok i someone here was saying they wanted a “annie oakley” photoshop of hillary!

    I think it was blu dem? or dem 1950? anyways…….i just did one!

    its at this link, feel free to grab it and use it 😀

    pbase.com/image/95641578

  92. Lou Dobbs on CNN ripping Obama during Blitzer’s show. Dobbs show will be tough tonight it seems.

    Also, never thought we would quote Grover Norquist but this quote is particularly apt”

    “That sentence will lose him the election,” Norquist told ABC News. “He just announced to rural America: ‘I don’t like you.’”

    “Now you can vote against that guy not because you don’t like him,” Norquist added. “You can vote against him because he doesn’t like you.”

  93. lninla, yes, that’s what I meant. I thought maybe they’d produced some of the programs on their own and have CurrentTV air it. I’m not in your business so I don’t really get how it works from behind the scenes.

    I just checked Wiki… Current TV started in 2005.

  94. wow i can see i missed a ton while i was busy photoshopping for our girl 😀

    someone be kind and catch me up so i dont have to go back and read all those posts!! LOL

  95. ok DJIA – that’s Hillarious (pun) – Hillary as Annie, Bill Clinton as Buffalo Bill and BO as ? (Frank? – her spouse?!)

  96. “REPOST”
    The issue of Ozomba’s ‘elitism’ strikes right at the heart of media bias toward HRC. Who has been criticizing her so shamelessly but the Latte Liberal Crowd or the BOBO’S (Bureaucratic Bohemians) which make up 90% + of BM anchors and reporters.
    The charge of elitism has to make them uncomfortable. This is a BRILLIANT way to turn the tables, not only on Ozomba, but on the press.
    Since they identify so strongly with Ozomba, they must be wondering if they’re included in the ‘elitist’ labeling and if so maybe they’ll try to distance themselves from that perception as furiously as they tried to distance themselves from claims of racism.

    And let’s not forget the press was already loaded to attack HRC. Starting with the original animosity between the Clintons and the media, to Solis-Doyle’s enveloping the candidate with an air of inevitability, to the very public clashed between HRC and various networks beginning in January 2008.

    First there was the Women in Media protest which forced Mathews to apologize. Then there was the Schuster incident in which he was suspended, followed by the Randi Rhodes firing or or quitting.

    You know they’re not going to back down now. This has become intensely personal for them. Of course it’s absurd that adults with prestigious influential positions should behave with such middle-school myopia but it is what it is and better that we recognize it then pretend it’s ever going to change.

    It’s not.

    But that doesn’t stop HRC and it shouldn’t stop us.

    I just can’t WAIT until she’s sworn in as president to see the expression on Cadaverdy’s face. Maybe he’ll have a heart attack and Tweeti, an anbulism. Ogreman could be attacked by a Lorraina Bobbit causing his already squeaky voice to ascend to castrati range.
    👿

  97. filbertsf – I can tell you – non-profits are hurting; I consult for them and started one. Very few of them have the funding to do production unless that’s what their org is about – even then, not high-quality productions, rarely.

  98. How much impact does the bitter, hate, racist comment make?

    We won’t know for certain yet, but a good indication may be that the media, despite their bias, seems to not taking the democratic nomination for granted. Hillary is back in play and big time.

    It ain’t over ’till Donna Brazile sings.

  99. # admin Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Thanks dija, we love it. We’ll update the front page with it real soon.

    Okie doke… no pun intended LOL!!

    # lninla Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    ok DJIA – that’s Hillarious (pun) – Hillary as Annie, Bill Clinton as Buffalo Bill and BO as ? (Frank? – her spouse?!)

    LOL i don’t know but it was fun to throw him in there too 😀

  100. You’re kidding, Blue dem. The one where he says “try slavery” or the one where he says the people are skeptical when they here a politician say they will solve there problems, especially when he’s a 47 year old black man.

  101. HillBilly,
    If you mean the commentator making the racism charge, it was in reference to the “anti-immigration” portion of the remarks.

  102. I just thought about it, i didn’t upload a Jpg image , i better go re upload it as a jpg so you all can open it and use
    so if you saved it, give me a few minutes to re-do and then save it again

    and thanks 😀

  103. Oh Blue dem, I was hoping one of those other comments hit the news. Maybe it’s better if they don’t though, I think it is better if there is nothing involving race that brings the guy down, just his own snobbiness.

  104. New Ad from Hill;

    (People on the street)
    BO said “people in small towns cling to…”

    “I was insulted.
    “Shows how out of touch BO is
    “Good people of PA deserve better
    “Hill’s been fighting for people like us.

    I missed one in there; get it later.

  105. Blue Dem,

    i was trying to be productive, emailing, snailmailing and phoning Brazile today, so i missed the gregory program.

    More detail, PLEEZE!!!!!!

    Emjay – That is legions better than mine! I’m gonna check that site again! 😀

    Filbert,

    Thanks for the message. I appreciate it but HE’s a SHE. 😀

  106. cbs reports hillary has decided to run ads on the oabam remarks-but where is the ad? cnn just said they got the ad-guess it is being unveiled. looks like internals show this thing could define the race and hillary is going all the way on this one

  107. It was just in to MSNBC, they ran it once then back to repulsive
    talking heads / BO apologists.

    That’s the whole ad minus one small comment from another man on the street.

  108. Latent homosexual Jeff Tubin blasting Hill for ad on CNN.
    (not that there’s anything wrong with that)

    Buncha smirking dickweeds.

    I’m posting waaaaay too much. see ya’ll later…..

  109. showing Hill’s new ad on situation room and jeffery toobin says “it’s an absolute disgrace”

    I think he needs some mail!!! he’s such an ass, I couldn’t stand it , next up was cafferty and borgen 🙁 YUCK

  110. @Okie posted from BHO comments:
    “But if those same candidates are taking millions of dollars in contributions from the PACs and the lobbyists, ask yourself, who are they going to be toasting once the election is over?”

    * * * * * *
    Has big media or big blog noted this: BHO doesn’t care about money from PAC’s or lobbyists – he goes right to the source: big bundlers of individual employees within Excelon, big pharma and many other big corporate interests.

  111. screw Toobin and Caffuckerty. Obviously the people of California, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Ohio, and Texas DIDN’T GIVE A DAMN what they believed when they were talking about Hillary being a loser, etc etc, so I doubt the people will care what these idiotic elite jackasses think now.

    Good for Hillary on the ad! I don’t care if it ruins Obama’s future chances…I just want Hillary to be nominee and the president. Actually..I do care. I care that Obama NEVER runs again. IN his lifetime.

  112. oh, that pisses me off about Toobin – an absolute disgrace would be to nominate Obama the elitist and lose the election to the Republicans.

    IDIOTS on CNN.

  113. obama wont shut up. he gives the story ne life every day he keeps discussing it. carville said-barack shut up. thankfully he wont listen. this is big for hillary to run such an ad. garin’s decided to not shit around

  114. Ouch, no holds barred and you notice, its the voters responses, they can’t say anything at her.

  115. i just watched the Cling ad. It is NOT disgraceful whatsoever. I like this ad much better than the “why won’t barack debate?” ads in Wisconsin and the likes. This one seems VERY real and very humble. I like it! It’s nice and will certainly NOT come off as mean-spirited.

  116. I expect a camp BO response ad by morning, if they are really as good as the press has built their response team to be. Without it, morning shows will be dominated by this.

  117. LMAO. I can see the non-creative Obama ad response with people who are saying “I don’t care if I’m called clingy or bitter….I just don’t like Hillary” or “I AM clingy to religion! So what?”

    lol

  118. well the bots have done it again, they just reports some rezko stuff, and now like magic the site is down. I can’t get on from Yahoo or Google

  119. Ok, if I’m off base here let me know, but it almost seems like many folks have been getting uncomfortable with Obama over this primary period…maybe they are like me, and just have a gut feeling that he would not be right for the country at this critical time. However, the pressure to jump on the band wagon has been constant, and there is also true excitement at the possibility of having a person of color in the White House. Maybe there is also the fear of being labeled racists or “part of old politics” by not supporting Obama.

    Obama has a very real “arrogance” issue, and I think people will pounce on it as an opening to back out of their support. It is something concrete and it actually DOES have the likelyhood of affecting him negatively in a general election. This gives the SD’s that have been getting this gnawing feeling about his lack of viability the way out they need. This also gives the AA’s that felt so much pressure to endorse like John Lewis, cover if they want to back away from their endorsement.

  120. LawSchoolDem, for us the final deciding factor in calling for advertisments on this issue was Obama airing ads already to counter the problem. Obama has an ad up in Pennsylvania with Bob Casey. This Hillary ad was sorely needed.

    As we suggested at the end of our article above:

    If Gibson or Stephanoupoulos or any Big Media outlet bring up the “bitter” controversy it will not be to the benefit of Hillary. No matter what Hillary does Big Media and Obama will claim that Hillary is “attacking”. Whether Hillary “attacks” or not, the headline will be “Hillary Attacks”. Hillary will incur the penalty without the benefit.

    The Hillary campaign will be accused of attacking no matter what it does. Why not actually try to shape the argument with paid media? Why not this time discuss the issue the way it should be discussed? Why let Obama continue his attacks on small town America without a full, paid, response?

    Small town America deserves a full-throated defense from the bitter words of the Chicago thugs.

  121. I’d hand out bitter sweets at rallies and say “taste this and realise exactly how you’d feel after 4 years of Obama”

  122. from gravel to gravel on chicago sun times site (found via google)

    Obama appeared at 2004 party at Rezko’s home

    April 14, 2008; 12:57 p.m.
    Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama’s name came up again at the Antoin “Tony” Rezko corruption trial and in a way that earlier filings in the case did not telegraph.

    Stuart Levine, the prosecution’s star witness, said he and Obama were at a party Rezko threw at his Wilmette mansion on April 3, 2004, for Nadhmi Auchi, a controversial Iraqi-born billionaire who Rezko was trying to get to invest in a South Loop real-estate development.

    Auchi, now a citizen of the United Kingdom, has faced criminal charges in Europe. He also figured in the revocation of Rezko’s bond early this year after attempting to wire him more than $3 million. Upon learning of that attempt, U.S. District Judge Amy St. Eve declared Rezko a flight risk and ordered him held in a federal jail in the Loop.

    The Rezko party in 2004 was designed to induce Auchi to pour money into the South Loop investment. Obama’s presence at the party was not previously known. At the time, Obama was fresh off a surprise win in the Illinois Democratic primary for U.S. Senate and was riding a crest of national publicity.

  123. the ad will certainly work. The ad is not up for debate like the 3 AM ad was. This one appeals to the hearts of all voters and only the staunchest of Obama supporters would not be able to see it for what it truly is: the voice of the people of Pennsylvania.

  124. Well, really it just quotes him. I would have gone a little further with antipathy toward others, anti-trade, anti-immigrant. But that is me.

  125. very clever using only the voters voices, then they cant attack her. They would be attacking the voters. thats why voter testimonys works better, harder to attack.

  126. wow. Obama supporters are STUPIDLY optimistic.

    Look at this guys’ prediction of the Pennsylvania results made today. (yes, in light of everything):

    ” The Khan Prediction for PA: Obama by 3-5 points.

    -Bittergate will backfire, swinging a more significant portion of working class voters to our side.
    -Trade will become a larger issue after the debate.
    -GOTV will rock it.”

  127. I like the cling ad. I think it’s effective. 😀

    And about the difference between ‘bitter’ and ‘angry,’ I posted yesterday that I thought Bitter was the ‘elite’ version of angry which is why the media is trying to scrub it as they’re all elitists, too, which, of course, is why they looooooove Ozomba.

    But i don’t think it makes much of a difference to the voters. Besides, the PA ad has voters responding to his original ‘bitter’ remarks. It was a very good day for HRC.

    Please everyone, I’m posting the FDR stuff not to be pushy but just coz I think it’s a simple easy way to contribute. See upthread for the daily email and snail mail. I will post the new action items as they crop up, if you don’t mind. I agree with jim that the more people respond all at the same time with the same message to the same person the more impact we could have. (IMHO)p.

  128. MJS – I disagree with bittergate backfiring, but I do think Barack will focus on trade. (don’t think it will be that affective here in PA, its really not an issue I hear as a concern here).

    – I do however think Barack’s GOTV will be awesome. It has ben in the past and will be in PA. Hopefully we have a great GOTV of our own to combat it.

  129. moononpluto, I’m actually very VERY happy they are expecting so much from their dying candidate. All the higher to fall from and more to allow them to cry about 😀

  130. Actually i reckon his get out the vote will fail badly, remember a few days ago, he was refusing to pay the walkers and door knockers. thats a big no no there.

    If he doesnt cough up, they’ll help Hillary GOTV.

  131. I love the ad. Let the talking heads howl and gnash their teeth all they want.

    Hillary is not talking to them. She is talking to THE VOTERS.

  132. the only thing is this-i wish they would put out an ad showing his history of elitist remakrs eg aruglua etc.. like mccain did today. but good ad.

  133. I don’t think Mayhill is being paid by Huffpost. I have a good friend who writes for them – nothing political – but there’s never pay.

    re: Hillary’s Pennsylvania ad – it’s like the 3am ad – it will get a lot of attention, free media even if negative attention from the Hate-Hillary CNN club. Clinton campaign knows they need to keep this on the news all the way to PA day.

  134. moononpluto Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Oh i just thought of something

    Obama the “Clingon” Dija get photoshopping
    *******************************

    LOL OMG………. can i have him taking a shot of whiskey? LOL

  135. Good call filbertsf – yes, what did Toobin think about the 1984 ad? he probably thought it was clever. JERK.

  136. lninla, I know the regular bloggers aren’t paid, but Mayhill Fowler said on CNN that she has been following the Obama camp around from state to state.

    Who pays for her travels then?

  137. I was thinking, Obama is perfect as a “clingon” as they are notoriously angry

    Dija get to work.

  138. filbertsf – hmm, possibly herself – she’s getting press credentials to get into things, possibly getting entrance fees paid by them. I went to a Clinton fundraiser where the guy who created the show Brothers and Sisters was – he was a total plant for Huffpost, asked a negative question and then, wrote about it a day later. I had to wonder whether the fundraising fee ($250 for the event) was reimbursed by Huffpost.

    who knows…pretty sure Huffpost does not pay most if not all of their writers – though it probably pays editorial and operations staff.

  139. Michelle Obama:

    “I know we’re spending — I added it up for the first time — we spend between the two kids, on extracurriculars outside the classroom, we’re spending about $10,000 a year on piano and dance and sports supplements and so on and so forth,” Mrs. Obama tells the women. “And summer programs. That’s the other huge cost. Barack is saying, ‘Whyyyyyy are we spending that?’ And I’m saying, ‘Do you know what summer camp costs?’”

  140. I don’t know how effective the ad is but it isn’t at all brutal. It quotes BO with some offended supporters. That’s it.

  141. Fantastic ad.

    Also, it’s funny how Obama himself has single-handedly created this controversy, and is single-handedly giving it additional life by taking multiple contradictory positions — every 6 hours he or his staff either apologize, stand by the remarks, try and change the subject, attack Hillary, or something else equally transparent.

    This is exactly why an Obama candidacy in the general would be nothing short of a fiasco. Can you imagine him against McCain? He’d be lucky to win 5 states.

  142. 10K a year would feed a whole fucking family in some parts of the US, ungrateful bitch. No empathy. Elitist snob.

  143. http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=8163649

    Yellowstone County Commissioner Bill Kennedy says he is endorsing Hillary Rodham Clinton, citing Barack Obama’s recent comments on guns and religion.

    Kennedy is not among the coveted superdelegates, but his endorsement comes at a time when the Obama campaign is being stung by criticism over the candidate’s gun comments.

    Obama told a group in San Francisco last week that some rural voters are bitter and “cling to guns or religion.”

    Kennedy says going to church and going hunting are part of Montana’s heritage not “something we ‘cling to’ out of bitterness or frustration.” He says Obama’s comments showed a disconnect with rural Montana, and solidified his support for Clinton.

    Both Obama and Clinton are ramping up their operations in Montana, preparing for the nation’s last primary.

    Obama has received support from 3 of the state’s eight superdelegates. Clinton so far has none of those key endorsements.

  144. New Republic: Reverend Wright was a Muslim turned Christian

    web.israelinsider.com/Article…tics/12784.htm

    Chameleon presidential candidate Barack Obama appears to have something else in common with his mentor and spiritual inspiration, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. A recently uncovered article from a credible source indicates that Wright, like Obama, was a Muslim before he Christianized. A previously unnoticed 2007 report from a senior editor in the New Republic indicates that Wright was a “former Muslim.” The report indicates that Wright’s background was a factor in persuading Obama to join his church and thus improve his “street cred.”

    But that credibility may be wearing thin for a broader swatch of the American public as the evidence accumulates that Obama, like his mentor Wright, have been working overtime to suppress and deny their Muslim roots: in Obama’s case hereditary, in Wright’s an ideological adoption that reflected his rejection of mainstream, middle class values reflected by normative Christian belief in the United States.

    Before he came across Wright, Obama had failed to succeed in his political organizing efforts, wrote Ryan Lizza, The New Republic senior editor. It turned out that part of the problem was that the son of the communist was not really much of a churchgoer:

    “From Wright and others, Obama learned that part of his problem as an organizer was that he was trying to build a confederation of churches but wasn?t showing up in the pews on Sunday. When pastors asked him the inevitable questions about his own spiritual life, Obama would duck them uncomfortably. A Reverend Philips put the problem to him squarely when he learned that Obama didn?t attend services. “It might help your mission if you had a church home,” he told Obama. “It doesn’t matter where, really. What you’re asking from pastors requires us to set aside some of our more priestly concerns in favor of prophesy. That requires a good deal of faith on our part. It makes us want to know just where you’re getting yours from.”

    “After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for ‘Buppies’?black urban professionals — and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles — what the church calls the ‘Black Value System’ — included a ‘Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’

    The crosscurrents appealed to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. ‘It was a powerful program, this cultural community,’ he wrote, ‘one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing.'”

    It is not clear what the source of Lizza’s knowledge about Wright’s religious affiliation is. But if true, the revelation provides a valuable missing piece in our still sketchy knowledge of the motivations and calculations of Obama in choosing, of all people, a man like Wright to be his pastor and mentor. And why he refuses to disavow him, despite his vicious anti-American and anti-Israel comments.

    For if both men were Muslims trying to realize their political ambitions, then Wright’s Church provided a valuable shelter from prying questions about both men’s religious and political loyalties. It would serve to whitewash their shared Muslim past, a secret both men have every reason to conceal, now more than ever

  145. dobbs is reading mail that sounds like it came from here!!!! “Typical white person from Pa”…LOL

    Dana Bash looks like she had to swallow horse shit .. she “punted” to Dobbs onr the fact that BodyOdours remarks were talk downs to us.

    Go Lou. He said the voters in PA will have their say in one week.

    LOOK OUT HILLARY .. the media and bambi are in full out frontal and rear assault right now. They’ll try it all now.

    Anyone who can, help phone bank. Talk to people in PA and keep talking about this issue with them. Tell them Hillary has shown she’ll fight for us and that she relates to the “small town folk”

  146. Obama has received support from 3 of the state’s eight superdelegates. Clinton so far has none of those key endorsements.

    Well, that’s not good.

  147. politico says this mt comissioner may signal superds may endorse hillary in mt etc like sen tester. obama is poision now ot these guys

  148. Filbert, Montana.

    I still don’t see anything “disgraceful” about the ad. It’s just a quote from BO. I would have added the antipathy towards people not like them, anti-immigrant, anti-trade stuff.

  149. I don’t like Obama, i don’t like his associates, they all stink to high hell and looks like a complete hustle. There is way too much connection to muslim activism and the middle east connections for me with Obama.

  150. lou dobbs is my hero! Calling out the jerk who says “Democrats wanting Hillary to get out”….

    Lou says this is not for the pundits to choose!

    Time to talk about the PEOPLE

  151. dot48 Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    lou dobbs is my hero! Calling out the jerk who says “Democrats wanting Hillary to get out”….

    Which Democrats? I don’t want Hill out. None of her supporters do.

  152. lou dobbs – said the only people that want her out are Obama supporters. Name me one neutral who is saying that – Ben Smith says, “ya got me.”

  153. Lou Dobbs is brilliant tonight. He is calling out media, pundits, the elites and pointing out the rigging on the election by the media.

    This young punk is so stupid

  154. lninla Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
    lou dobbs – said the only people that want her out are Obama supporters. Name me one neutral who is saying that – Ben Smith says, “ya got me.”

    Ha! That’s funny.

  155. Lou Dobbs just demonstrated to America why PEOPLE count, the elite of the party don’t.

    Poor Ole Ben is still stuck on stupid .. wish Dobbs had pointed out that Obama doesn’t have the MATH either.

  156. Dobbs is on FIRE tonight. he’s pulling NO punches. He actually just said to his panel, Ben SMith (what a n elitist twit he is), Robert Zimmerman (ever so elegant) and the other AA guy who’s in the tank fo Ozomba, that based on what was discussed, the election is over and HRC will win the presidency! hehehehe.
    When the AA guy said well, no. mathematically it’s against her, Dobbs shoots back with, well then McCain is the next prez coz Ozomab is not going to be able to win.
    He also touched on the issue of Ozaomba getting out of the race.
    And I agree, Dot, all the comments he read sounded like they’d been written here. LOL

  157. Hi guys. Returned last night from working for HRC in Harrisburg. Apologies if everyone knows this but–“bitter” comment was getting huge play on all the local networks. While I was watching TV in my hotel there must have been 5 Obama ads (all the same one–sort of a lackluster thing about healthcare and pharmaceutical ‘special interests’–not sure why he’s not being called on that BS)–1 HRC ad. Harrisburg’s a tough area for her–we were door-to-dooring in a upper scale, affluent area. Lots of yard signs for Obama (sorry to say). We had people willing to take signs but the local office didn’t have any to give
    Anyway, please continue to make the calls and come to the state if you can! They really need volunteers! Apparently, she has a huge lead in the majority of the state but if the affluent suburbs come out for Obama (along with Philly) in big numbers it might be tight—and the local HQ are definitely not taking ANYTHING for granted!!!

  158. “He also touched on the issue of Ozaomba getting out of the race”

    Yes, it’s about time we started asking him to step down.

  159. Today is a great day. Let’s also hear it for the union guys picketing DNC

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/A_DNC_picket_line.html

    My colleague John Bresnahan emails that there are 50-60 union members from Florida and Michigan picketing outside DNC headquarters right now.

    They’re complaining that the DNC’s refusal to seat Florida and Michigan delegates will prevent dozens of union members who are delegates from attending the convention, and they want DNC Chairman Howard Dean to resolve the dispute.

    Mike Williams, a Florida union member, compared the DNC’s refusal to seat the delegates from those two states as similar to when a company locks outs striking union employees.

    “We’re getting locked out,” said Williams as he and the other union members pickteted the DNC. Williams estimated that as many as a dozen building trade union members, and 30 union members overall, would be part of the Florida contingent to the Democratic convention

  160. Then we can ask him if he’s bitter about losing Pennsylvania, in fact i want that to be the 1st question when he loses PA.

  161. spega, thanks for the ground report. PA is surrounded by Hillary-friendly states. The supporters from NY, NJ, MA and OH should be swarming to PA. Harrisburg is near NJ enough. I don’t expect people to drop everything and go there, but maybe drive to PA on Friday and leave Sunday. Take advantage of the geographic location.

    Don’t they get that Hillary need help there?

  162. ROTF!
    Smith and Richburg sitting opposite Lou like chastened children hehehehe

    Lou obviously thinks Ozomba is toast.

    First time I’ve seen Smith. He looks like a pink marshmallow. What a wuss.

  163. Admin, all,

    And you all know that FRD is planning 6 rallies in Florida during the next few months!

    Everyone, please copy and paste the daily action email and snailmail up thread. that’s one of the prongs of FDR strategy. Today we’re bombarding Brazile.

  164. You guys notice that these news organization always assign reporters/journalists who don’t like HRC very much to cover her campaign?

    For politico, it’s Ben Smith, WaPo, Anne Kornblut, CNN Candy Crowley… the list goes on…

    Mayhill Fowler at least likes BO and so, too, does Suzanne Malveaux

  165. we also need to be aware of this:

    certain groups being polled now are being asked to poll FOR Hillary BUT vote FOR obama .. to make her lead LOOK like it’s fallen through in the last few days before the primary .. like he gets a SURGE.

    What bullshit! f’ EM

  166. mj,
    DObbs CLARIFIES his statement when he’s met by radio silence from Smith and Richburg and answers his own question by saying it’s Ozomba’s supporters who are calling for HRC to get out. hehehehe.

    And the tone of incredulity in his voice is priceless!

  167. dot, that makes no sense. What are you talking about? Whomever is in Harriburg, please keep working it. I was in an upscale in NH. So many BO supporters. I thought it was hopeless, but we won every town in the county.

  168. mALVEAUX may as well just orgasm on screen. She been smitten with the love bug for a while.

    I have come to the conclusion that if they do succeed in taking Hillary out .. it will give me great pleasure to watch this punk go down .. bit by bit, bitter by bitter issue. I will give me a great pleasure to vote against his ass. This has been the worst I’ve ever seen.

  169. Everyone notice there’s not been any mention of the Compassion Forum last night. Poor Campbell must be furious. All that work setting things up for Ozomba for nothing.
    👿
    Spega,
    Thanks for your work in PA. 😀

    Lou’s last viewer email. READ THIS!
    Now that Ozomba has shown his true feelings about the middle class, gun owners and the rest of the country I think it’s time for him to step down so HRC can unite the country!

  170. I doubt SUSA could be influenced by either candidates and they have Hillary gaining where it matters: the upcoming states.

  171. dot, who told this person?? I understand she is leaning towards BO (stop her)
    but exactly how did she hear this??

  172. I think the susa poll has been correct all along and the MSM are just now starting to post the REAL % they’ve had all along 😀

  173. This was relative to PA only .. that is what I was told.

    I’m not saying it’s true..just saying what I was told.

  174. You cant influence polls like that, they are randomly selected. Exit polls yes but not polls like these.

  175. dot, that’s simply a smear that appears on the Anti-Christ’s (aka barack Obama’s) site everytime Hillary makes inexpliable gains in the polls that matter (SUSA)

    I personally don’t care that much about ARG, but when SUSA shows something, I think both Hillary supporters and Obama’s groupies DO care.

  176. she was BO.. leaning toward HRC NOW .. PA voter who “hears” stuff. This bitter remark is opening eyes .. but dirty deeds are also being made in back rooms.

  177. Dot, that is probably just an explination they are passing out to calm nerves. No one wants to look low in the polls because of bandwagoning.

  178. i will trust Hillary and obama’s own internal pollings, which, of course, are internal…but as of right now…from their respective actions, seem to show that Bittergate is doing HUGE AND COLLOSSAL damage to Obama’s candidacy.

    Why else would the HRC campaign confidently put up the “cling” video in Penn and why else would Obama have fired off his angry words yesterday and today?

    Simple. INTERNAL polling, which is usually the most honest polling, shows Obama taking HUGE hits from bittergate and the subsequent double-teaming by HRC and McCAin

  179. My friend in PA thinks she should not make too much of the comments now. Says she should let surrogates handle it.

  180. I have a question about the TX County Convention on March 29th. I recall one of you guys — I think it was Texan4Hillary — say that Hillary got 2 more delegates there than she did at the Mar 5th PC.

    How did she get that extra delegate?

  181. I dont know, bill-o just said we’re ready to move on , we’re ready to move on to annie oakley and that BO doesn’t like people who go to church

  182. I think the ads she is doing now with real people are great. Hillary can continue to present her stump speech in a way that “reminds” PEOPLE that she cares about them .. that she is not looking down her nose at them and that she cares about them. Hill has been doing this all along

  183. I don’t know about the rest of you, but today i am pathetic! I have sat in my big comfy chair all day today
    cuz it’s such a GREAT NEWS DAY! wooooo hoooooo!! 😀

  184. but oreilly thinks the oakley comparison was effective!€ He’s a little off there for sure. I don’t know, I find O’reilly becoming a bit insincere lately

  185. GE makes money from Iran – upcoming on Bill-O.

    GE owns MSNBC. . . . . . which is in the tank for Ozomba. GE took a 12% hit in profits this quarter although they had predicted an increase.

    How can we use that info?

  186. I was watching KO on MSNBC and the gallup poll they used to push Obama’s propaganda had a 13% ratio of plus or minus on obama leading Hillary 50 – 40.

    I couldn’t believe it, that’s why Obama will lose this and Hillary will be the nominee.

  187. MJS,

    Look at this guys’ prediction of the Pennsylvania results made today.

    -Bittergate will backfire, swinging a more significant portion of working class voters to our side.

    His Media Whores are parroting Bambi’s campaign. Both Andrea Mitchell on NBC saying it will backfire on Hillary and David Wright on ABC saying it will backfire on Hillary.

    David Wright also copying the Bambi campaign claiming his reference to “bitter” only referred to the loss of jobs, but conveniently leaves off the guns, religion, and xenophobic comments.

    Hillary’s message will NOT backfire and they need to keep it up EVERY DAY. Your opponent squealing like a stuck pig is evidence that you’ve landed a direct hit.

  188. carbynew, any poll with a 13% margin of error is a totally worthless poll. What idiots. You’d do better interpreting the itch in your left vs. right big toe to mean something.

  189. Actualy, unfortunately Gallop is supposed to be the Gold Standard, but with a 13% plus/minus, really is worthless.

  190. Joe Friday .. absolutely right!

    Bytchell has been Obama’s media whore from the get go. She is squirming like a gutted hog!

  191. The poll was taken April 11-13 and that 13% margin was tiny…and since I don’t believe in polls right now, I believe in the voters.

    MSM and MessNBC has lost all credibility although I did like David Gregory show…it was fair and he asked hard questions from his panel.

  192. Great positive post from TM of an HRC volunter at a Philly rally.
    😀

    Hello, everyone,
    Just wanted to tell you all that I was at a huge visibility event for Hillary today at the PA Dem Party Dinner in Philly. WOW-we outnumbered , out shouted, and out honked Obama. It was really fabulous. There were Hillary signs all over the place, and tons of volunteers. This was on a major highway and we got lots of support from the motorists! Lookin good! N

  193. basil

    oh, i didn’t see it @5, but look for the repeat and didn’t see it in the line up either

    well i am still hoping it will be true one day soon

  194. One more from TM:

    We gotta get a clip of when Lou got Benny on who the media was reporting wanted Hillary to drop out. Ben said it was Democratic party “elders” and Lou said, no, it is Obama supporters who want her to drop out. Then Lou said, “Name one neutral party member saying that Senator Clinton should drop out of the race?” Ben was quiet then meekly responded “You got me, Lou.”

    Yeah, you damn right he did.

  195. hardball will be on till the end of the year….unfortunately.

    Then jug head is set to run against Arlen Specter .. lmao

  196. 😳
    I lied.

    Here’s one more. (from TM about Dobbs show.)

    He said there’s no way Obama can win now and with all the women supporting Hillary we should just expect President Clinton.

    👿

  197. In light of the continuing fallout from Obama’s latest gaffe, I thought it’d be instructive to quote one of James Carville’s favorite phrases:

    “When your opponent is drowning, you throw the sonofabitch an anvil”

    Call, donate, blog — let’s keep it up, Hillfans!

  198. Now Bambi is saying that it wasn’t what he said that offended people, but “the way these remarks have been interpreted” is what offended people.

    He’s spinning like a top !

  199. basil9 Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    I lied.

    Here’s one more. (from TM about Dobbs show.)

    He said there’s no way Obama can win now and with all the women supporting Hillary we should just expect President Clinton.

    Ok, I am falling inlove with Lou Dobbs. Don’t tell my husband.

  200. yep, Lou Dobbs setting lil ole BenO straight = PRICELESS. Dobbs showing today what real media should be doing. Calling it like it is.

    Hey Ben, you look like the wuss I knew you would look like too!

  201. Joe Friday, someone should count up all the different positions the Obama campaign has taken about the offensive comments. I count at least 6 so far!

    …on a separate note, the Washington Post ran an editorial today, sharply criticizing Obama:

    A Lapsed Principle
    What happened to Barack Obama’s promise to rely on public financing in the general election?

    Monday, April 14, 2008; A14

    BARACK OBAMA held out the hope of salvaging part of the public financing system for presidential elections. Now he seems poised to drive a nail into it by rejecting the $85 million available to nominees who agree to take full federal funding for the general election. That may be understandable as a matter of campaign tactics; Mr. Obama sits atop a whirring money machine that appears capable of vacuuming up amounts far in excess of the federal check. But going back on his pledge to take public financing if the GOP nominee were to agree to do the same would be an unfortunate step — and one that reflects badly on Mr. Obama.

    When it was in Mr. Obama’s interest to present himself as the ethical savior of an imperiled campaign finance system, he was happy to do so, especially since it didn’t seem especially likely at the time that he’d be the nominee. But the real test of a candidate is whether he will stick by an announced principle even when that’s against his own interest. Now Mr. Obama could become the first nominee since Watergate to run a campaign fueled entirely by private money.

    Mr. Obama was correct in calling the public financing system for presidential elections “creaky.” If anything, that’s an understatement. Even if Mr. Obama were to take public financing, the system would still be in dire need of an overhaul before 2012. The part of the system under which candidates in the primaries agree to abide by spending limits in return for matching funds on the first $250 they raise from each contributor is unquestionably obsolete; the amount of money available is too meager and the spending ceiling too low. Meanwhile, the advent of Internet fundraising has called into question part of the rationale underlying public financing: to spare candidates from the time-consuming business of fundraising and to reduce the influence of big fundraisers and special interests. When torrents of money arrive in small amounts and with little personal effort on the part of the candidate, it is fair to suggest, as Mr. Obama has done, that he has managed to create a parallel financing system that avoids many of the ills that public financing was supposed to address. But a good chunk of Mr. Obama’s overflowing treasury comes from big bundlers who have hauled in large sums. As The Post’s Matthew Mosk and Alec MacGillis reported, the Obama campaign has 79 such bundlers who brought in at least $200,000 each, including law firm partners, Wall Street financiers and corporate executives.

    We praised Mr. Obama last year when he asked the Federal Election Commission to let him raise private money for the general election but later give the money back and decide to participate in the public financing system if he were able to persuade the Republican nominee to do the same. In that circumstance, Mr. Obama’s spokesman vowed, he would “aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.” Well, the Republican nominee turns out to be John McCain, who agreed way back when to Mr. Obama’s challenge. Where’s Mr. Obama’s aggressive pursuit now?

  202. so now Bambi has ANOTHER version of things.

    He doesn’t need to tell us how to interpret these remarks…that was quite simple for even HICK like me~

    Us small town folks ain’t stupid like you are you snooty turd.

  203. basil9 Says:
    We gotta get a clip of when Lou got Benny on who the media was reporting wanted Hillary to drop out.
    Lou said, “Name one neutral party member saying that Senator Clinton should drop out of the race?” Ben was quiet then meekly responded “You got me, Lou.”

    basil was this tonight?

  204. bluedem,

    Yes. On Dobbs at 7PM! Ben–Ben Smith, Also Robert Zimmerman ( a real class act) and a$$wipe wapo reporter Keith Richberg.

    I copied comment from TM becuase the poster expressed what happened so much better than I did.
    Lou made a half dozen remarks tonight ripping Ozomba a new one. (check up=thread)

    👿

  205. This is the commercial we’ve ALL been waiting for here.

    Hillary Clinton brings you “Pennsylvania:”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAXucMY7Dvk

    This is a MUST watch. Anyone who can post the video please put it up here. Admin, can’t wait until you can put this in a post.

    Bye-bye Mark Penn and Patty Solis-Doyle. Hello, Maggie Williams and Geoff Garin!

    Time to ROLL in PA.

    *thumbs up*

    Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” AKA “RokSki”

  206. DKos, I’m sure, is frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs with their faux outrage. Hilarious!

  207. BEN SMITH I AM CALLING YOU OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know damn well, too well, you hang out here. You broke the brazile story that way(though I noticed you did not report THE Brazile story). For Christ sake man, take off you BO goggles, toss your mug of Obama koolaid, and learn to laugh at this man a little. He’s a cook county pol running as the “ethics” candidate. It’s hysterical. His wife can’t open her mouth without vomiting on the country. So funny! His BFF who helped him buy his house is a political fixer under federal indictment. Man, there is so much material here, but you waste your time(and ours) with mind numbingly boring stories about Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd wanting Hill to just go away. I bet they do! Ben Smith=professional stenographer for David Axelrod.

  208. Obama’s “holy site” is now saying “we’re not elitist…because we have 1.3 million donors!”

    mhm. did he count rezko, auchi, ayers, and rev wright amongst those donors? pfft. What does the # of people donating have to do with being elitist or not. The obama campaign has been pretty rigorous and surprisingly effective…albeit, playing dirty. However, the Obama candidate himself is a bull-shit throwing, arrogant prick.

  209. mj,

    Hands off Lou! As Idunn says, he’s MINE!!!!!! 😀

    Joe Friday,

    It’s called WORMING,

    What Obama Really Meant. 👿

  210. Obama’s camp is posting new threads like crazy to prevent their supporters from looking at the media that is JUSt starting to be a little less favorable to them 😀

  211. A part of me thinks the new add over does it, but another part says keep attacking on this. Anyone else have conflicting thoughts?

  212. PUNK;
    “Obama’s focus turned to Clinton when he began fielding questions, though, reflecting what aides say is a rising anger after days of criticism of his comments.
    Asked about the impact of the long nominating battle on the party’s chances of winning the White House, he said, “I have tried to figure out how to show restraint and make sure that, during this primary contest, we’re not damaging each other so badly that it’s hard for us to run in November.
    “Obviously, it’s a little easier for me to say that, since, you know, I lead in delegates and states and popular vote.”
    Clinton “may not feel that she can afford to be so constrained,” he said, adding at one point that she’s “been deploying most of the arguments that the Republican Party will be using against me in November.”

    FRANKFORT, Ky. — Republican Rep. Geoff Davis apologizing to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday after referring to him as “that boy.”

    Addressing a Republican gathering Saturday night, the Kentucky lawmaker said, “That boy’s finger does not need to be on the button.” Davis was talking about political and national security issues at an annual GOP dinner.

  213. 20 calls…..
    5 hang ups
    6 answering machines
    6 HRCs
    1 woudn’t say
    2 undecideds

    Funniest call…. a guy wanted to talk all night about the unfairness of the fact that PA is a closed primary….

    Best call….a man said that he and his son are raring to go vote for HRC on the 22nd.

  214. OandrewD, keep in mind that Obama’s commercials appear on Pennsylvania’s local stations at an average rate of 4 times every 1 or half and hour. This one Hillary ad will not seem bad compared with the constant barack barrage, which works to our advantage.

  215. Wow, check this spread from the SUSA Indiana poll;

    Among the Democrats, 60% preferred Clinton to 37% who preferred Obama.

  216. Blue dem, lou proved tonight that this narrative spin that SNOB puts out isnt true

    now if we could just get Hannity to do the same

  217. Hill bill

    Rove was great tonight!

    said obama is an elitist who thinks he is smarter than everyone else , among other things i now can’t quote

  218. I agree that his finger should not be on the button, but calling him a “boy” was a racial slur and not cool.

    Before anyone says it could be interpreted otherwise, the guy is from KENTUCKY. It might not be a slur in some parts of the country, and others might not have meant it that way. But a Southerner like Davis knows damn well that it is racist coming from his mouth.

  219. I would think “boy” refers more to Obama’s childishness, immaturity, and inability to do anything competently.

  220. dot48 Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    Why is “boy” considered racist? That’s bull.

    No, it’s not bull. Black men were called “boy” by whites often much younger than them for centuries. There’s a definate history.

  221. dot

    “boy” is what all AA men were called in the days of slavery to “demean” them, to put them in the inferior mind set and position.

  222. From the Meet the Clinton Haters transcript,
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24093054/page/2/

    Matalin says what we’ve been saying:

    MS. MATALIN: He’s not the candidate that he’s promised to be. ….. We know he’s not been vetted properly because every week something comes out. He’s–hasn’t been tested properly. He’s never run a tough race like this. The reason it’s important that he said it so poorly is because he holds out the promise of being the “great articulator,” the “great communicator” of the new Democratic Party. And when he’s under–he, the, the longer he goes, the more he’s exposed, and this is not an isolated incident, to be a not particularly overwhelming candidate. And that’s when there’s really no issues. You’re not fighting over issues. Wait till he gets up against John McCain where there are real issue differences.

  223. Well I’m sure that it wasn’t mean to be racist. Going back centuries to rewind certain words and try to paint people .. THAT is chilish and shilly. Just goes to show that anything we say is considered “racist” just cause it happened to be used ages ago.

    obama is getting his way again.

  224. dot, it may not necessarily be in all parts of the country, but trust me, in the South it is the WORST thing you can call a black man.

    White men in years past continually referred to ALL black men as “boy”, no matter what their age. It was deliberate, and always said in a certain sneering tone. It was a way to make them less than, to remind them they had better show respect to their “betters”, the white people. It was a nasty, nasty thing, historically in the South.

    Like I said, for someone in the north or out west, unaware of that cultural history, they might say it innocently. But Davis is from Kentucky. He knew what he was saying.

  225. my bad. I’m not familiar with my southern etiquette, or lack of…in this case =/

    anyways, I think the problem is not Obama’s ethnicity, age, whatever. If he had been white, asian, female, etc, this comment would STILL be disgusting and cause for me to reject him on all levels.

  226. djia Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    MJ

    it had no bearing on age, AA men of any age were called “boy”

    Right, I went even whites who were 20 years old could get away with calling a black man of 60 “boy”. That’s the history.

  227. Tim Russert, Cheap Shot Artist:

    MR. RUSSERT: What about that 3 AM phone call, if she’s exhausted at 11 PM?
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&7

    Ooooh, aren’t we clever with our snide line of questioning.

    How about this, knucklehead. Hillary is so much fucking smarter than you are. You have no credibility to do the job you are tasked with.

    Hillary, on the other hand, has continued to grow, winning a Senate seat, learning the ropes, mastering the issues. And she’ll be ready to govern from Day 1.

    Russert, I wouldn’t let you govern a kindergarten class.

    Now, Timmy, go sit in the corner with your bad friends Chris and Keith. They too showed that they couldn’t play fair, and that’s why they’ve lost kickball privileges.

  228. I think Davis’ age would be important in “knowing” if he knew this or not. I’m from bordering WV and I DON”T KNOW THAT. I’m 50 and my best friend in high school was AA.

  229. Kentucky is deep south, totally different culture, dot. Trust me, he knew.

    YOU might say it perfectly innocently, not meaning anything but immaturity in Obama.

    But this guy, if he is a Kentucky politician, KNEW the historical weight of that word.

  230. If Obama does not pander to voters what is up with his PA ads showing him and Casey looking like regular folk with no suits and neck ties in sight.

  231. by Ben Smith:

    Pwned by Lou Dobbs

    Here’s some newfound sympathy for the politicians who are easy to poke fun at when they draw a blank on TV.

    On Lou Dobbs Tonight just now, I said “pundits” were calling on Hillary to hold her fire; Dobbs challenged me to name one, and I drew a blank.

    I’m sure the ever-friendly commenters can help me out here, but a few who (now) come instantly to mind (as long as calling for peace isn’t seen as tacit Obama support) are Jim Clyburn, Peter DeFazio, Donna Brazile, and Nancy Pelosi.

    Dobbs of course has a point: It is mostly pro-Obama voices chiding Clinton for her attacks, and some on that list are arguably pro-Obama.

    And I have newfound sympathy for Texas State Senator Kirk Watson.

    (My spokesman wants me to give the excuse that I was still recovering from having just spilled tea down my shirtfront, but I won’t take the easy way out.)

  232. Blue Democrat, do you think Obama is just a bald faced liar, or so delusional he actually belives his own spin? Is it possible he truly thinks that he’s shown restraint?

  233. gerond,
    Probably a bit of both. I think HE thinks he’s shown restraint as far as not dragging up old skeletons in the Clinton closet (largely because it wouldn’t help him as much as it might hurt him, which I’m sure they’ve poll tested).

    He’s obviously shown he’s capable of audaciously bending the truth to the breaking point, as we’ve seen time & time again.

  234. I think Obama’s current campaign theme song should be a mix of:

    “Oops I did it Again!” By Britney Spears
    and
    “SOS (Someone Help Me)” By Rihanna

  235. BEN, It wasn’t ABOUT Hillary holding BACK .. the comments were about HILLARY leaving the race .. getting out.

    I also haven’t heard any of THEM personally tell Hillary to get out.

    YOU CALLING THEM OUT BEN????????????

    We should let the campaign know just what Mr. Ben is touting.

  236. I’m sure the ever-friendly commenters can help me out here, but a few who (now) come instantly to mind (as long as calling for peace isn’t seen as tacit Obama support) are Jim Clyburn, Peter DeFazio, Donna Brazile, and Nancy Pelosi.

    Ben Smith, are you kidding me? These people are all BO supporters. You absolutely most know that unless you are totally brainless. Donna fricken Pelosi. Nancy Effing Pelosi. You are either bsing us, or you are dumb as rocks.

  237. The way to get to Ben Smith is to just tell him the truth: he’s unprofessional. A journalist is suppose to be impartial. To report the facts. He’s done neither.

    I’m not sure Smith received the proper education when he was schooled in journalism. You’re supposed to be impartial, Ben. Although you are a mere blogger and will probably never make the big time, at least learn to respect yourself and your profession by not being such a brown-nose to one candidate.

    You’re not journalist Ben. Never have and if you continue the way you have, you’ll never be one. Just a blogger. That’s all you are.

  238. the facts are they don’t have DIRT on Hillary. If they had, believe me the suck ass media would be all over it. They thought the BIG tax returns would be fodder, shot down!!!! They comb everything in her life for dirt and they have found NOTHING on her.

    The biggest myth of this century is that Hillary Clinton is a hated bitch and liar. Everyone who really gets to know her testifies that this is absolute BULL SHIT.

  239. Personally, I think he’s a liar but I also think he’s really starting to believe his own lies, and that scares me even more. And hasn’t he dragged up some old Clinton stuff? i mean, yeah, he hasn’t yet accused them of murder like half his supporters, but…:)

  240. http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-ed-04142008cn,0,7234033.story

    Allentown Mayor Ed Pawlowski endorsed Hillary Clinton for president today.

    “Senator Clinton has solutions to problems facing urban areas like Allentown. Senator Clinton has proven herself to be a very capable legislator, extremely knowledgeable on the issues, adept at getting things done, and aware of the needs of our inner city residents and middle class,” he said in a statement. “I support her candidacy and ask Democratic voters in Allentown to do the same.”

    Pawlowski, mayor of Allentown since 2006, said he was backing Clinton in part because of the anti-crime initiative the New York senator laid out in a speech in Philadelphia on Friday. Clinton proposed spending $4 billion on anti-crime programs that would in part fund 100,000 new police officers for communities nationwide.

    “I have studied both candidates’ positions on health care, the environment and improving our schools, but Friday’s proposal on anti-crime gets at the very heart of the problem facing cities across America,” Pawlowski said.

  241. morris crushed to find out that bambi went to the million man march! LOL

    I swear I’ll donate to a fund to have his ass kicked..

  242. dot48, Me too, I hate looking at the jerk! Do you know when the debate is and who the commentators will be?

  243. basil9,

    It’s called WORMING, What Obama Really Meant.

    Exactly.

    He’s starting to remind me of Reagan. Every time he would speak without a Teleprompter, two guys would have to come out after and explain what he REALLY meant to say.

  244. dot, that was great to see, i loved how colmes pressed him on all issues, even got him (DM) to admit he just doesn’t like HRC at all and will never like her or say anything nice about her………ooops! there went any credibility he might of had with viewers LOL

  245. Dicky boy did say the ad was good. I had the mute button on for most of his time on the air. He is slime.

  246. well maybe after the way colmes put him on the hot seat , he will be more mindful about how and what he says about HRC?

  247. I think Dicky boy for years nourished a secret desire to suck Hillary’s toes. She found him repulsive, rejected his creepy ass, and he has been bitter ever since.

  248. Cambell Brown is so snooty and elite that I hope her show tanks quickly.

    And I hope a lot of these snots are let go after the election .. that would be really good payback.

    Who will moderate and do you think they’ll attack Hillary like dirty Campbell Brown

  249. Hillary should not attack on the debate. If its ABC theres going to be a huge audience and she needs to stay positive.

  250. Pa. debate has ABC in middle
    By Paul J. Gough

    April 13, 2008
    ABC’s Charles Gibson acknowledges that the heavy load of presidential debates has taken its toll, but he said Wednesday’s faceoff between the Democratic candidates is coming at an opportune time.

    “I’m sort of debated out, and I think they are as well,” Gibson told The Reporter on Friday. “But the timing is fortunate in this. I was anxious to do this one because we haven’t heard from them (in a debate) in six weeks.”

    ABC scored a primetime debate between Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama less than a week before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. Gibson and chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos will moderate.

    “The stakes, at least for Sen. Clinton, couldn’t be higher,” Stephanopoulos said. “Pennsylvania has become a must-win.”

    How it will all play out, neither Gibson or Stephanopoulos can say. The structure of this debate will be different than more recent ones. Gibson said that there will be guidelines, though not limits, with a 90-second response from a candidate and then a 60-second reply from the other.

    Like the Jan. 5 back-to-back debates that Gibson did on his own, there will be a clock tracking the candidates’ time.

    “I’ll have the cumulative clock and try to keep the two of them equal,” Gibson said.

    Since it’s been six weeks since the last debate, Stephanopoulos said he isn’t sure what to expect Wednesday.

    “I can imagine a debate where they really go at it, and I can imagine a debate where they’ve decided they want to train their fire on the Republicans,” he said. “What we’re going to do is make sure that we have put all the big issues on the table and in the most challenging way that we can.”

    Gibson drew rave reviews for the Jan. 5 debate at St. Anselm College in New Hampshire, as well as a 2004 presidential debate. He’s been cramming for the past several days on the usual debate topics and also a few esoteric ones, like carbon sequestration — storing carbon and coal plants underground to reduce greenhouse gases.

    “It’s a subject I don’t know a whole lot about, and it probably won’t come up,” Gibson said. “But I don’t know beans about carbon sequestration, so I read up on it.”

  251. Hillary For Texas (10:04)…you bet…rejection…like your analysis.

    Let’s get that snipe hunt organized for he and BO.

  252. Mr patronizing still at it:

    Obama says he’s impressed Clinton still raising money despite losses.
    blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/04/14/obama-says-hes-impressed-clinton-still-raising-money-despite-losses/

  253. hillery if she is to be likend to Annie Oakley, she needs to tout her new slogan loud and clear “YES I CAN” and play the music from the hit musical 😀

  254. I must be dreaming, just watched a click of Donna Brazille defending Bill Clinton. Also Halprin saying a video of Obama making the bitter comments is coming.

    abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4643440

  255. hello my question?

    where will Hiillary be campaigning?

    A great photo should have Obama sneering up with his nose sky-high and have a typical white person beneath him, Anne Oakley beneath him, a grandmother undereath a train, typical small towners, gays, and women with Obama looking to the sky as if he’s all that

  256. The fact that Obama is aware Hillary is still raising good money .. that motivates me to donate even more!

    Let’s show him that WE GOT HER BACK.

    I thought someone here was going to set another massive money bomb … I think that really motivates us to give outside her regular website contribution … I’m in. I get $ tomorrow.

  257. George will was criticizing the Clinton administration saying republicans controlled both Houses of Congress. Brazille listed Clinton’s accomplishments from welfare reform to prosperity. Shealso said how much Hillary and Bill love each other talking about how hard he is campaigning for her almost nonstop.

  258. rjk

    I didn’t see anyone really defending BC ……I heard a bit of mocking though

    who was that blond woman?? she was talking about how to do a real boiler maker
    saying HRC didn’t do it right………well! Hillary took that shot like a man! 😀

    even roger simon on politico says so …….he’s a relatively nice piece up now about it

  259. yeah im gonna put my hands down for mj on ben smith….that lying crooked political blogo site
    ya lou threw him a loop…we’d get correct news on
    with mj sitting by lou dobbs..wonder if he needs a coanchor…you guys can blog out way smarter than these two idiots who needs to be polished up on writing skills without lies…ben smith with wapo zimmerman…Hillary wins
    and BO..LIAR LIAR LIAR you were at the party
    he btter get out step down..i worte lou last week
    im gonna write him again and thank him…

  260. Well, isn’t that rich. Donna defending Bill. Hmm.

    They lost Congress because the Dem’s were too stupid and pigheaded to even put health care to a vote. It wasn’t BC who screwed it up. It as them.

  261. I forgot to say if anyone watches that clip turn it off after the comments about a video of Barry in SF making those comments is on it’s way. I am so use to the comments made about Hillary afterwards that they just sort of roll off, but others will take offense by them.

  262. what a difference a few days can make huh

    i mean just look at all the headlines on real clear politics today……..wow!!!!!!!!

    last week they all said Hillary should drop out LOL

  263. Right.

    They weren’t doing boiler makers, they doing shots of Crown Royal.

    The Media Whores are idiots.

  264. gerond Says:
    do you think Obama is just a bald faced liar, or so delusional he actually belives his own spin? Is it possible he truly thinks that he’s shown restraint?

    If Obama has shown restraint, his normal standard must be awfully vicious.

    Distinguish actions and words. He sometimes uses very soft words — to spread poisonous untruths.

  265. Hillary need a stiff drink after listening to her opponett and his aduacityofhypocrisy who would’nt
    after hearing Middle Americans are bitter cling to my guns,my faith,Montana and southdakota… this will effect him bad
    lying after lie after lie enough is enough its enough of his remarks its his words he doesnt like us small town folk.in all America…id love to tell him Happy Trails!!! with your sixshooter heading for your duckblind.. this bo is from mars out of touch out in he believes his own lies!!!!hypocrite

  266. oh Look over there is it a dolphin? a plane? NO… It’s Super windsurfer snobobama !!!! his Nose turned so high to the sun…..he can see the tides are turning….and its a R.I.P tide 😀

  267. “Halprin saying a video of Obama making the bitter comments is coming.”

    Oh Goody!

    What is Donna Brazille suddenly hedging her bets?

    Little late Donna.

  268. yes, Bill Clinton is working hard for Hillary – he will be doing a 90 county blitz in NC, and there are maybe 96 counties there. that’s pretty intense.

  269. Re ‘boy’, yes, it was connected with racism/servitude.

    But look how else it is or was used in the South, about white males. ‘Good ole boys’ = social, easy-going irresponsible whites; ‘that ole boy’=meaning some distancing, he was foolish (sometimes elderly); ‘those old boys in the Senate’=a clique that is powerful and excludes the speaker.

    ‘That boy ain’t learned his way around yet’=not racial, this is someone of equal potential status who hasn’t yet learned things, too cocky. ‘Let’s turn THAT boy loose on them’=not racial, but a bit of distancing.

  270. TOO FUNNY! Comment stolen from TM, who stole it from NoQuarter:

    _from BlogerBoyz coment on NoQuarter PA post here:

    http://tinyurl.com/3my8l9
    ____________________________

    If they stay true to form, I think there’s a pretty fair chance that Obama’s team is designing their entire electoral strategy around Obama getting up at every campaign event and screaming “vote for me, you stupid motherfucking crackers!”

    And NBC has Andrea Mitchell on tap to explain that this will create tremendous support among stupid motherfucking crackers, who are truly honored to have the attention of the Messiah.

  271. obama at party with palestinian chanting death to israel-and its on video. that is one id like to see out-
    hnn.us/roundup/entries/49265.html

  272. lninla, I hope it’s worth it. For some reason, I feel like NC is like IA. No matter what HRC does or say, it won’t change their mind. mj said today that 34% of Dem electorates are AA. A new poll showed BO with a significant lead.

    Hill wasted so much time and money on IA. I thought then that she should have just minimized its significance and moved on to NH and the latter states.

  273. filbertsf – Clintons internals show a totally different picture – she’s close in NC. Depends on the momentum that’s generated in PA also.

    I still may head out to PA. Not sure, one more day to decide.

  274. Okay, someone posted this on TM, and it cracked me up. Originally from a commenter on NoQuarter:

    _from BlogerBoyz coment on NoQuarter PA:

    If they stay true to form, I think there’s a pretty fair chance that Obama’s team is designing their entire electoral strategy around Obama getting up at every campaign event and screaming “vote for me, you stupid motherfucking crackers!”

    And NBC has Andrea Mitchell on tap to explain that this will create tremendous support among stupid motherfucking crackers, who are truly honored to have the attention of the Messiah.

  275. carbynew, he believes that there’s a big constituency of smug, self righteous arrogant asses out there that he’s appealing to. It’s amazing how often he plays to his weaknesses. I guess he can’t help himself, but he doesn’t have one advisor to be like ‘yeah, just don’t.’

    “That boy ain’t learned his way around yet’=not racial, this is someone of equal potential status who hasn’t yet learned things, too cocky.”

    It doesn’t matter, it has a history and just isn’t appropriate for a white man to say about/to a Black man. He should have known better, it’s demeaning. Also, if it were a woman, it wouldn’t be appropriate for him to call her “girl” to put her down, show her her place, and let her know she hasn’ learned things, it’s just obnoxious.

  276. lninla, it’s a tough decision. I hope people from neighboring states are swarming PA. PA needs as many supporters as possible.

  277. For you lninla:

    Department of Corrections: Barack Obama on Annie Oakley and Hillary Clinton
    By Sean Wilentz
    Mr. Wilentz is a professor of history at Princeton University.

    In his latest round of ad feminam slurs, Senator Barack Obama has denigrated Senator Hillary Clinton and her position on gun regulation by likening her to Annie Oakley. But once again, Obama has shot himself in the foot.

    Annie Oakley was one of the first great female superstars in American history. Born in poverty in western Ohio, she began hunting when she was nine years old, and sold hunting game to locals in order to support her siblings and widowed mother. Her sharpshooting abilities eventually led her to become the star act in Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show.

    Obama appears to think Oakley was some kind of wild shoot-’em-up desperado. But she was strictly an entertainer — and an enormously successful one. In addition to adoring crowds around the country, she performed before Queen Victoria and other crowned heads of state. Her aim was so true that, at the request of the Prince of Prussia, the future Kaiser Wilhelm II, she shot the ashes off of a cigarette he held in his hand.

    Later in life, Oakley faced smears from the yellow press accusing her of moral laxity and drug abuse. She successfully sued dozens of her accusers, including the newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst, who paid $15,000 (about $300,000 in today’s money) in legal judgments. She then supported numerous philanthropic causes, including the women’s rights movement.

    Annie Oakley was one of the heroines of American history. Any woman would be proud to be linked to her memory

    Senator Obama, in trying to sneer his way out of his latest mess, merely shows, once again, that he just doesn’t get it — whether it’s the courage and decency of ordinary working people or the proud heritage of American women.

  278. mj, wait, wait. Now he’s from a small town? I thought he bragged about having more foreign policy experience than Clinton and McCain b/c he’s lived in so many different country as a youth.

  279. lmaO!!!!

    obama has THE most exotic background of any presidential candidate, and he wants to convince us he’s from a small town??

    pft. too little too late.

  280. thank you filbertsf – Annie Oakley is a badge of honor. I especially love this part because I hope we can follow in her steps and someday file a class action lawsuit and sue the shit out of big media:

    “Later in life, Oakley faced smears from the yellow press accusing her of moral laxity and drug abuse. She successfully sued dozens of her accusers, including the newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst, who paid $15,000 (about $300,000 in today’s money) in legal judgments. She then supported numerous philanthropic causes, including the women’s rights movement.

    Annie Oakley was one of the heroines of American history. Any woman would be proud to be linked to her memory”

  281. Cafepress.com has “Typical White Person” bumper stickers and some NObama stuff as well. Bittergate hasn’t hit the bumper stickers yet, but it is on the way.

  282. If Peter Wallsten has a tape of that party why has he not released it? Unless he is planning a media sweep with it, going from show to show.

  283. Ininla,
    “Clintons internals show a totally different picture – she’s close in NC.”

    This is one of those things I’ve been hoping for w/o mentioning it.

    I’ll happily wash your car if you can say more….

  284. Ininla, I think you should keep more details on the DL.

    I think Hillary’s campaign would have its best day. ever. period. if they won a surprise win in NC.

  285. admin, I couldn’t agree more. I love the “cling” ad, though I wish it was called “bitter.” It’s like a friend of mine said to me recently, “You’re only bitter and cling to religion if you’re a member of Trinity United, apparently.” Onward and upward, yes we will!

  286. The Italians just gave that crackhead Silvio Berlusconi a victory. Jesus. The Europeans really don’t have the right to criticize Bush’s re-election if they themselves elect people Berlusconi and Sarkozy.

  287. I’m really perplexed as to how Hillary can divide her resources between Indiana and north carolina.

    i think her safest bet would be to use her large pool of supporters in Indiana as volunteers. That state is very much Hillary country.

    North Carolina, on the other hand…not so much. She should send much more of her paid staff there, i think to at least turn out more volunteers. After the volunteer stuff is a bit more even, with probably a few more volunteers in Indiana…i think She should split the paid staff evenly between the two.

  288. filbert, europeans kinda piss me off sometimes. of course, it’s subject to region…

    like france……………………….

  289. MJS Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
    Ininla, I think you should keep more details on the DL.

    I think Hillary’s campaign would have its best day. ever. period. if they won a surprise win in NC.

    Don’t be silly. Volunteers like me want to know that we have a chance in NC. I don’t fly across the U.S. to volunteer in a state that I think HRC doesn’t have a chance of winning.

    If the media keeps playing NC as a state that BO will take, then fewer people would want to travel and help out there. Plus, morale is a big thing in politics. The people in NC need to know that NC is still up for grabs — regardless of what the other polls are showing.

  290. texan4hillary

    you can forget about the video tape of that party ever seeing the light of day. I just read Wallsten’s piece in the LA times and it seems the Times has the tape and they are owned by the Tribune Company (Obama’s print mouth piece)

  291. filbert, i think its great that you are going to volunteer there!

    Anyways, I trust hillary can at the very least keep the margin to under 10% or at least eek out a win. i don’t expect Hillary to blow out Obama by any means, but if Hillary takes NC and Indiana on May 6, we can start calling for Obama to drop out because of the damage that’s been done to him and his un-electability 😀

  292. # HillaryforTexas Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    I think Dicky boy for years nourished a secret desire to suck Hillary’s toes. She found him repulsive, rejected his creepy ass, and he has been bitter ever since.

    H4 — this is hillarious, and I bet it’s true!

    I’ve been enjoying the posts. And again I ask – has BO ever said that Dems should vote for Hill if she got the nomination, as Hillary

  293. No mention of Hillary’s significant lead in PA or IN. Whenever a poll shows BO with a significant lead, it’s up everywhere. Yahoo features it on the frontpage.

    America media is so pathetic.

  294. Heads up, guys. Hillary to be on Colbert Report this Thursday! Her first appearance.

    Of course, Bambi is going to cry foul and they’ll have to book him on the next night.

  295. Ok so, say 35% of voters on May 6 in NC are african American. and 80% go to Bambi.

    Bambi naturally starts off with a 28% advantage.

    Then, the rest of the votes…the other 65%–> Hillary would have to win these by 66% or more to at the very least tie with Bambi.

    I’m hoping Hillary can make serious inroads with the african American voters…keeping Obama’s support to 65% or less…and then increase her non-African American margin beyond 65%.

  296. I do not think Obama has a sense of humor where he is concerned and would never do Colbert.. Hillary on the other hand can and does laugh at herself.

    Speaking of laughing, I wonder what the SNL writers take on small town gate will be.

  297. BTW, Tweety blurted out Hillary’s upcoming appearance on his show today even though the show hadn’t confirmed the date.

    Can’t keep his fat mouth shut.

  298. Hillary should start appealing to more young voters.

    Especially, if Hillary can appeal to YOUNG FEMALE voters in larger numbers, I think she can at least cancel the youth vote out of Bambi’s column.

  299. rfk, i do laugh when Obama speaks…but usually out of pity. not because he made a particularly funny joke. 🙂

  300. mj, no Colbert Report. Tweety blurted out that Hill was going to be on Colbert Report even though CR hadn’t even publicly announced the date of her appearance.

  301. mj, you know I don’t cable news anymore… especially not Tweety.

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_en_tv/clinton_colbert;_ylt=Alw1ReeLJVMXpS4WMAW_kp9xFb8C

    PHILADELPHA – Hillary Clinton is hoping the “Colbert bump” will help propel her to victory in Pennsylvania.

    The Democratic presidential candidate will make her first appearance on Comedy Central’s “The Colbert Report” on Thursday. Both Clinton and Colbert have come to Pennsylvania ahead of the state’s hard-fought Democratic primary on April 22.

    Clinton rival Barack Obama also is in Pennsylvania, but has thus far declined Colbert’s invitation. Obama’s wife, Michelle, will appear on the show Tuesday.

    News of Clinton’s visit was divulged Monday night in Philadelphia by MSNBC pundit Chris Matthews. He blurted it out during taping of the show at the University of Pennsylvania’s Zellerbach Theater. The news was confirmed by a person close to the satirical news program, who insisted on anonymity because the date of the visit hadn’t been publicly announced.

    Comedy shows have played a role in the presidential campaign, and good things have happened to guests on “Colbert.” Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was a regular on the show before his unexpected — but short-lived — success in pursuing the Republican nomination. And a “Saturday Night Live” sketch was credited for helping Clinton gain momentum in February.

  302. I just ran across that Ann Coulter quote on Obama’s “racist” granny. It cracks me up, even though I usually despise Coulter:

    “The only evidence that his grandmother feared black men comes from Obama’s good-for-nothing, chronically unemployed white grandfather, who accuses Grandma of racism as his third excuse not to get dressed and drive her to work. “

  303. hillbillly,

    I can’t stand Coulter. All I’ve got of that story is in a good anti-Obama blog by Steve Sailer. He says he’s the only person who’s read the book because it’s unreadable, he spends most of the time pulling some few facts out of the verbiage.
    h t t p : / / isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html
    In this entry he quotes Obama’s white grandfather displaying some shocking liberal guilt (and dysfunctionally dumping it on a 17-year-old Obama). Obama was raised by these white grandparents from age 10-college.

  304. I normally don’t like Hugh Hewitt but he has good insight on Barack Obama, and I agree with his assessment.

    “There is a furious amount of spinning underway to save Senator Obama from the consequences of his candid assessment of Americans who don’t live in the big cities or on the coasts. Howard Kurtz, for example, wants to narrow the impact of Obama’s slight to just small town Keystone staters, and also asserts that everyone knows what Obama meant.

    “And yet, most people (and most journalists) know what he was trying to say,” Howard opined. “Not that small towners are gun nuts. Or religious nuts, not from a regular churchgoer. The senator was trying to say that these folks voted on social issues, distracting wedge issues, when their real problem was economic.”

    I don’t think that’s what he meant at all. He meant that most Americans are bitter. And Senator Obama agrees with me.

    Senator Obama doubled down in this appearance at the Compassion Forum last night. (RCP has the transcript here.) In fielding a question about poverty from Jim Wallis, Obama added this explanation:

    You know, this actually goes back to the earlier point you raised where Senator Clinton suggested I was being elitist when I said that people are frustrated and bitter. That is absolutely true. That’s not just true in small towns. That’s true in urban areas. That’s true in my community of the South Side of Chicago. Because people feel forgotten. They feel as if nobody is listening in Washington.

    Politics as therapy; Americans as bitter, failed people. That’s the senator’s story and he’s sticking with it.”
    continue:
    hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/476297ad-3801-43d7-a670-bb68b3f58741

  305. Thanks lninla.

    Someone on Taylor’s site just posted that Tweety announced on Colbert that he’s running for Senate.

    Please let it be true. Revenge is so sweet, dear lord.

  306. “And yet, most people (and most journalists) know what he was trying to say,” Howard opined. “Not that small towners are gun nuts. Or religious nuts, not from a regular churchgoer. The senator was trying to say that these folks voted on social issues, distracting wedge issues, when their real problem was economic.”

    Exactly why Dem’s lose. They never respect the culture of working class, rural, or small town Dems. People will not vote for you if they don’t think you respect them. This is why Howard Dean shouldn’t be shouting that minorities and gays who don’t vote Dem are stupid or crazy.

  307. filbertsf Says:

    April 15th, 2008 at 12:14 am
    Thanks lninla.

    Someone on Taylor’s site just posted that Tweety announced on Colbert that he’s running for Senate.

    You do realize he’ll be running as a Democrat, right?

  308. From TalkLeft;

    Philadelphia Democrats held their Jefferson Jackson Dinner tonight.
    Both Hillary and Obama spoke separately.

    Hillary rose above Bitter-Gate, never mentioning it, and included Obama in her praise:

    “Neither Senator Obama nor myself could have dreamed we would be right here asking you for your votes,” Clinton said, praising the pioneers of the civil rights and women’s rights movements. “We are the beneficiaries of the work and sacrifice that so many of you and countless Americans have done over so many generations.”

    Obama went on the attack: [More…]

    But Obama did talk about it, asking supporters to stand by him “if you understand that people really are angry, they really are fed up, some of them are really bitter, because Washington has forgotten them.”

    “It’s not me who’s out of touch,” he continued. “It’s folks that think that somehow folks are happy when they’re out of a job and they lost a pension and they don’t have heath care and their schools are underfunded. I know exactly what folks are going through.”

    “And,” Obama added for good measure, “I go to church.”
    Which pitch do you think was more effective? Did Obama assume Hillary was going to attack him and misjudge? Obama will win the Philly vote — maybe the only part of PA he takes — but was anger the right response?
    Update: Hillary spoke for only 5 minutes. It wasn’t a sit-down dinner and the crowd apparently wasn’t paying attention. I haven’t seen any reports on how long Obama’s speech was.

  309. You all- just saw this on Fox’s site:
    Rev. Jeremiah Wright has been asked to be the keynote speaker at the NAACP “Freedom Forum” in Detroit–I think it’s next week (?)
    Since we know he is nothing but defiant (witness recent funeral)–I think we can expect a whole new spate of sensational racist hyperbole from the good Reverend.

    “Reverend Wright–the gift that just keeps giving….”(as one commenter on Fox blog said)
    LOL

    P.S. to Basil-
    Tried to pull up the site:
    fideservesrecognition.com—but no luck–can you re-post address…

  310. mj, you’re assuming Democrats are stupid enough to vote for Tweety. Where would you get the idea that Dems would support such an idiot? Oh wait…

  311. No. He said he is running. He is a Dem so that is what he will run as, I assume. I don’t think he will win the primary.

  312. mj, I was trying to make a joke. I don’t exactly have a very high opinion of Dem establishment or Dem voters these days.

  313. There is enough video footage of Tweety looking stupid and behaving like a drooling idiot to sink him 100 times over. He must be insane to think he could win an election.

  314. chris mathews running as a democrat, wonder if he’ll expect the Clinton’s to help him get elected?

  315. Oh, ok, filbert neither do I.

    In fact, the assertion above that BO will win Philadelphia has me deciding at this point people are effing stupid. Do people want crime reduced on the streets of Philly or what? If they do, Hill’s your girl. Do they want health care, if yes, Hill’s your girl. This voting for a guy of almost 50 with no record of achieving anything for anyone accept himself, with no plans accept getting elected, is effing dumb.

  316. MJ,
    He’s no Dem. he worked for a Dem, Tip O’Neill. He’s spentthe last 15 years bashing the shit out of dems on the tube.
    His brother’s a republican and if Spector’s seat is opening up I’m assuming he’d announce as a republican.

    Also wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong.

  317. PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama each addressed the Philadelphia Democratic City Committee Jefferson-Jackson Dinner tonight, but they approached their latest spat differently.

    Clinton ignored it completely, striking her ain’t-it-cool-we-are-both-running-for-president tone as the Democratic rank-and-file of Philadelphia munched on Philly cheese steak, Italian sausage, deep-friend jalapeno poppers, and other heart-healthy fare.

    “Neither Senator Obama nor myself could have dreamed we would be right here asking you for your votes,” Clinton said, praising the pioneers of the civil rights and women’s rights movements. “We are the beneficiaries of the work and sacrifice that so many of you and countless Americans have done over so many generations.”

    But Obama did talk about it, asking supporters to stand by him “if you understand that people really are angry, they really are fed up, some of them are really bitter, because Washington has forgotten them.”

    “It’s not me who’s out of touch,” he continued. “It’s folks that think that somehow folks are happy when they’re out of a job and they lost a pension and they don’t have heath care and their schools are underfunded. I know exactly what folks are going through.”

    “And,” Obama added for good measure, “I go to church.”
    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/clinton_ignores.html
    *****************************************************
    What a tool! Obama went for the fake out and brought up “Bittergate” all over again and used the excuse of “who you’re gonna believe me or your lying eyes” defense.

    Can you see him trying to talk to world leaders like Hugo Chavez or others?

  318. When the hell did Hillary say any of this?:

    “It’s not me who’s out of touch,” he continued. “It’s folks that think that somehow folks are happy when they’re out of a job and they lost a pension and they don’t have heath care and their schools are underfunded. I know exactly what folks are going through.”

    What’s he talkin about?

  319. mj

    here is that email :

    Dear deborah,

    You’ve probably heard about some of the big changes going on in Hillary’s campaign lately. My name is Geoff Garin, and along with Howard Wolfson, I’m now leading the campaign’s strategy team. My job is to plot the path to the nomination and lay out the strategy that will get us there.

    There are two reasons why I said yes immediately when Hillary asked me to do this job. First, I believe that the Hillary Clinton I know will be a great president who will do great things for our country. Second, I am confident she can win.

    Let me lay out for you the situation as I see it right now. The Pennsylvania primary is approaching — just eight days to go — and a win there will do two things: give us momentum that will carry us through the races that follow, and show that Hillary is still the best choice to beat John McCain in the big, competitive states that will decide the race in November.

    The Obama campaign is outspending us three to one in Pennsylvania. But I’m confident we can win in Pennsylvania, and I know Hillary is too. She is campaigning hard and really connecting with the voters there. The voters in Pennsylvania know that she is the candidate who understands their lives and respects their values, and that every day she will be a president who stands up for them instead of looking down on them.

    If I had to point to two of our best weapons in this campaign, one would be the incredible strength of our candidate, and the other would be the phenomenal role people like you have played in sustaining this campaign, even through some pretty tough times. Everyone from Hillary on down has made sure I know about the vital role her online supporters have played in this race.

    I made a personal commitment to Hillary that her campaign would be as good and as strong and as smart as she is. And I want to ask you a favor to help me keep that commitment. In the days and weeks (and hopefully months) ahead, I want to know what you think — about the state of the race, our campaign strategy, or your ideas for doing things differently. You’ve made an investment in this campaign, and I want your input as we plan the days, weeks, and months to come.

    I can’t promise that I can reply personally to every single message — but I can promise to read them all.

    Click here to send me your comments, thoughts, and ideas about our campaign.

    I’m really looking forward to reading what you have to say, and to working with you to help Hillary win!

    Thanks,
    Geoff Garin

  320. The big question is how soft Colbert will go on Michille Obama tomorrow night, because he will be called a racist if he is too hard on her.

  321. HillBillyLover, I just remembered something you asked me a few days ago.

    You asked me whether I had empty my messages after deleting them. Why did you ask that? Can you see the content of my PM box?

  322. Lets send a card to tweetie with a picture of his face exposed on a senator sitting at the senate and have him open the card with a huge crowd of people mooning him that says NOT!!!!!

  323. mj Says:

    April 15th, 2008 at 12:36 am
    When the hell did Hillary say any of this?:

    “It’s not me who’s out of touch,” he continued. “It’s folks that think that somehow folks are happy when they’re out of a job and they lost a pension and they don’t have heath care and their schools are underfunded. I know exactly what folks are going through.”

    What’s he talkin about?

    That’s a strawman argument. The Bush Admin has been playing that role for 8 years. Like, “some people think that Iraq is not ready for Democracy.” No one has ever said that, but it’s effective in putting words and thoughts in the mouth of the opponent.

  324. “Click here to send me your comments, thoughts, and ideas about our campaign.”

    Does anyone have the link to send comments? Please?

    I could REALLY use it.

  325. No Filbert, you said you had got some weird emails that you deleted and that you wished you kept them. I was saying that if you hadn’t emptied your “deleted” folder they, they were probably still in there.

  326. What the heck????? Is this a strategy or what???

    PHILADELPHIA — About that supposedly major flap over Barack Obama’s comments about “bitter” Pennsylvanians? Well, Hillary Clinton’s top surrogate here, Governor Ed Rendell, just told reporters that it’s not terribly significant – either in the primary, or the general election.

    “I think it will cost a couple of points at the margin,” Rendell said of the primary race here, “but it’s not a sea change.”

    And Rendell said it would mean even less in the general election if Obama is the nominee. “By the time November rolls around, I think this comment will be long forgotten,” he said.

    Rendell has long been a politician who’s willing to speak his mind. Earlier in the campaign he raised eyebrows by saying, in contravention of Clinton’s argument against Obama’s electability, that the Illinois senator would carry Pennsylvania against the Republicans, too. But his downplaying of the Obama controversy today would seem to undermine Clinton in a big way, given that her campaign has spent the last four days trying to blow it up as big as possible.

  327. WHY IS THE ZOGBY POLL NOT BEEN ADDED YET TO THE REALCLEARPOLITICS AVERAGE, BUT OBAMBI HAS THE NATIONAL UPDATED? PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN.

  328. For penn, it is not in the average yet for penn she had a twenty point lead in penn with zogby but it’s not in the average her number overall should be over 7.

  329. Lieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist.

    thinkprogress.org/2008/04/14/lieberman-its-a-good-question-to-ask-if-obama-is-a-marxist/

  330. HillBill, yeah. People keep sending me youtube video links of this and that. I don’t many of these people. It could be someone from the listserv sharing it with their acquaintances. I was told that the listserv is private and for people to respect those on it and not share their emails. Oh well…

  331. Well I hope it will be in the average tomorrow because if not, there will be hell to pay tomorrow! Rendell must be turning his back on Hillary or he is the stupidest man on earth! What does this mean?

  332. Told you Rendell was fucking up last week.
    Big NYT story on him tomorrow about what a help he’s been too.

    Good news is I think this is much bigger than Eddie Rendell by now.

  333. winhill

    ignore rendell….msm media did

    that story was out earlier today and didn’t see any mention of it

  334. Get off Rendell’s back, he is one of Hillary’s biggest supporters. He is trying to downplay the comments so when Hillary wins PA big it will look even bigger in the eyes of the SD and the media.

  335. Well, really, what can Casey say after he told the NYT his underage daughters harassed him into supporting Obama? That’s a hell of a ringing endorsement. “policy schmolicy, Obama is hotter than Hannah Montana.”

  336. Blue Democrat Says:
    April 15th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    “Click here to send me your comments, thoughts, and ideas about our campaign.”

    Does anyone have the link to send comments? Please?

    I’m not sure about posting it here, but send me your email.

    1950democrat/at/gmail.com

  337. Guys to me this is huge if you go to realclearpolitics and click latest polls it will show hillary with a 20 with zogby ok that was 04/14 you click on penn poll it shows the latest o4/10 they have never done this north carolina and the rest of the polls are current the news im bring is that she was at 7.4 know she is at 7.0 average over obama but with that 20 polls it should be a huge difference, this is huge because this is a national polling site and it shows a false poll! THEY NEED TO UPDATE THIS SHIT NOW!!!! IM STEAMING!!!!!!!

  338. HillBillyLover

    I think strategically it makes sense because if Hillary falls short of what all those polls are saying today then the campaign will look like they blew it.

    Lowering expectations actually can work two ways, lessen the blow if she drops lower than the polls or if she wins bigger than campaign expectations it helps to show she’s holding her own and can compete in an environment for the remaining delegates.

  339. keep digging dude-
    Obama Spin Level of Difficulty: 9.7
    April 14, 2008 9:08 AM
    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obama-spin-leve.html
    Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is trying to explain his comments about small-town Pennsylvanians to the San Francisco crowd as a clumsily-worded compliment.

    Obama told the Winston-Salem Journal “If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that. … What I meant was something that I don’t think any of us can argue with, which is that people feel abandoned after 20 or 25 years of plants closing, jobs not coming back. People feel like Washington’s not listening to them, and as a consequence, they find that they can only rely on the traditions and the things that have been important to them for generation after generation. Faith. Family. Traditions like hunting. And they get frustrated.”

    Ah, yes. Those wonderful traditions.

    Faith.

    Family.

    Bigotry.

    Xenophobia.

    Because, let us recall, Obama said that, small towners, faced with economic hardship and a dismissive Washington, DC, “get bitter” and “cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    The proud traditions of small town America.

    – jpt

  340. Yeah, Rendell’s a real wizard.

    That’s why he made such a forceful case for counting MI & FLA on MTP the other day. He probably is trying some reverse psychology, but Hill’s so lacking in truly effective spokespeople and I had him down as one.

    And I don’t like when these guys support – but leave their options open are get conciliatory with the enemy in a brutally vicious race because they have to think of THEIR situation down the road. Fuck that!

  341. god bless lanny davis !

    I dont recall this being posted here as of yet, but felt it needed to be here 😀

    April 14, 2008
    Lanny Davis’s View: The Carl Bernstein attack on Hillary, and differentiating facts from opinion
    Posted: 06:54 PM ET

    Editor’s Note: Lanny J. Davis, a Washington attorney, is a supporter of and fundraiser for Senator Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. From 1996 to 1998, he served as Special Counsel to President Bill Clinton. He is the author of “Scandal: How ‘Gotcha’ Politics is Destroying America.” In this commentary, he responds to an opinion piece by Carl Bernstein on the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency. To read Bernstein’s blog entry, click here.
    ALT TEXT

    I really wanted to write a detailed rebuttal to Carl Bernstein’s extensive attack on Hillary Clinton on CNN.com. But try as I might, I could not.

    (Carl and I have known each other and have been friends for many years, so I will call him “Carl”).

    How does one respond to a what was largely a series of personal adjectives, character attacks, and vitriol — with few, if any, facts cited to back up those adjectives and part of an completely one-sided presentation?

    Emblematic is Carl’s reference to “Whitewater” as one factual example of Hillary Clinton’s negative record while she was in the White House. Even Ken Starr and his successor could make no finding of wrongdoing against Hillary Clinton (or President Clinton) on Whitewater after years of investigations costing tens of millions of dollars. Carl forgot to mention that.

    Numerous other examples of wrongdoing he cites during the her years in the White House are also devoid of any factual basis — even though they were the subject of many accusations and headlines, innuendo and TV punditry. None of them involving Mrs. Clinton stood the test of due process and a verdict based on the facts.

    Similarly, Carl’s negative characterizations of Senator Clinton’s presidential campaign, such as “repugnant,” are entirely subjective without facts to back them up. I do find a lot of double standard in judging the Clinton vs. the Obama campaign tactics, as I will briefly describe below.

    The best brief positive statement of what I believe are the facts about Hillary Clinton is this:

    Ever since I knew her in law school during the late 1960s to the present day, she has been a progressive Democrat who supported and was often on the front lines of leadership in every major progressive Democratic Party cause in the last 40 years, from civil rights to human rights to women rights to children’s rights to public education to health care to economic justice and legal services for the poor to the environment to choice to worker’s rights and the minimum wage…I could go on and on. Those are facts. Undisputable facts omitted by Carl. And so is the fact that Hillary Clinton was with her husband on the front lines in the White House for eight years and participated in, consulted, or was party to many of her husband’s crucial foreign and domestic policy decisions of the successful two-term Clinton presidency.

    As to Carl’s reference to her “repugnant” campaign, that’s a strong word among the many personal-attack words he used in his piece. But at the very least it should be clear that he uses a double standard in judging her and her campaign.

    Two examples only should suffice:

    First, Carl criticizes the Clinton campaign for being negative — “her Pavlovian resort to trench warfare…angry, demonizing….”

    First, this is a baseless statement — he cannot cite an example of such a personal attack on Senator Obama by Senator Clinton. But Carl also omits any reference to the constant stream of personal attacks on Senator Clinton’s character and integrity from the Obama campaign, especially in recent months. In fact, in the summer of 2007, it was Senator Obama himself, who promised not to engage in such personal attacks, who began it all in a front page New York Times story, when he called Senator Clinton “untruthful and misleading.” That is the summer of 2007. And if you read that article, you will be hard-pressed to find a single factual example offered by Senator Obama of her untruthfulness.

    Second, Carl refers critically to Senator Clinton’s vote for the war resolution in October 2002 (a vote joined in by 28 other Democratic Senators, such as Obama supporters John Kerry and Jay Rockefeller, whom Carl also forgot to mention in the piece).

    But, as to Senator Obama’s record on that war vote, Carl omitted the fact that in 2004, when he was running for the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama was asked how he would have voted had he actually been a U.S. Senator. After saying he didn’t think that President Bush had made the case for war, Senator Obama went on to respond how he actually would have voted. His answer: “I don’t know.” This is the same candidate who based the core message of his entire campaign on criticizing Senator Clinton’s judgment at the time she voted for the same resolution.

    Senator Obama also said in 2004 that he didn’t think there was “much difference” between himself and President Bush on the war.

    But Carl omitted reference to those two facts concerning Senator Obama’s record on the war.

    The obvious explanation for these and many other omissions by Carl is that this is a one-sided presentation by someone who clearly does not like Senator Clinton. Surprise.

    For me, I admit my personal bias: I am strongly supporting Senator Clinton because I believe she is the more qualified and experienced of the two candidates. She is ready to be president from day one, in my opinion, more so as compared to Senator Obama. As to her personal and character qualities, the Hillary I know has integrity, is kind, funny, fair, caring, a great mom, and one of the best friends anyone could have. It is no coincidence that so many people who have known her for decades still admire and trust and respect and love her after all these years. And it is no surprise, to me at least, that so many Republican U.S. Senators have told me and many others that she is one of the nicest and easiest-to-work-with people in the Senate. (Carl gives her at least this much credit for being “widely commended by former skeptics in Congress and the press.”)

    So this is my response to Carl Bernstein — who remains my hero during his Watergate reporting days and has been kind and generous to me personally through the years that I have known him:

    You are entitled to your opinion. And I am entitled to mine. But at least we should both remind readers to know what is a fact and what are substantive issues versus what is an opinion and personal attack, and to appreciate the difference.

    – Lanny J. Davis, former Clinton Lawyer

  342. winhillary
    You mean ARG not Zogby

    Even if RCP were to include that in the PA average, they would probably drop the SUSA with Hillary’s 18 point lead which is last on the list right now. So the average would stay about the same anyway.

  343. rjk1957 Says:
    April 15th, 2008 at 12:51 am
    Lieberman: It’s ‘a good question’ to ask if Obama is ‘a Marxist.
    thinkprogress.org/2008/04/14/lieberman-its-a-good-question-to-ask-if-obama-is-a-marxist/

    I’m too lazy to register there, but maybe Obama is a Marxist. He wants to take Hillary’s votes and split them 50-50.

  344. Hillary Clinton to appear on ‘Colbert Report’
    Presidential hopeful will visit show on Thursday; Obama declines invite

    AP: updated 1 hour, 26 minutes ago

    PHILADELPHIA – Hillary Clinton is hoping the “Colbert bump” will help propel her to victory in Pennsylvania.

    The Democratic presidential candidate will make her first appearance on Comedy Central’s “The Colbert Report” on Thursday. Both Clinton and Colbert have come to Pennsylvania ahead of the state’s hard-fought Democratic primary on April 22.

    Clinton rival Barack Obama also is in Pennsylvania, but has thus far declined Colbert’s invitation. Obama’s wife, Michelle, will appear on the show Tuesday.

  345. Barack Obama, the yuppie candidate
    Jonah Goldberg

    April 15, 2008

    Barack Obama is finally coming into focus.

    For a while now, the Obamaphiles have insisted that their candidate represents a profound break with the past. No more culture wars. No more “re-litigating the 1960s,” in Obama’s own words.

    But what about re-litigating the 1980s?

    There’s always been a certain cultural lag time to Barack and Michelle Obama, a kitschiness that’s been hard to pinpoint. But I think I’ve got it: They’re self-hating yuppies straight out of the 1980s, which was to the Obamas what the 1960s were to the Clintons.

    For those too young to remember, “yuppie” was shorthand for young urban professionals — think Michael J. Fox as Alex P. Keaton in the TV series “Family Ties” or Charlie Sheen in Oliver Stone’s “Wall Street” — who allegedly represented the collapse of ’60s values and the triumph of ’80s greed. Yuppies sold their souls for a BMW and a condo.

    Ironically, the biggest complaints about yuppie materialism came from self-loathing liberal yuppies — like the Obamas.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg15apr15,0,2278112,print.column

  346. anyone notice that BHO’s response to Hillary today or was it yesterday, was personal attacks and not an enforcement of the differences on issues.

    I don’t remember who gets credit here but the “WORM” was out in full force.

    I didn’t see Hillary attack his character in the least way except to talk about his comments. It made him look so childish and petty.

    Why am I surprised, his supporters have been doing it all along I guess it goes along with mentality.

  347. Clinton’s visit shot in arm for region
    BY MARISA KWIATKOWSKI

    In it, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton beams at the camera, clasping a 10-month-old child in her arms.

    The Democratic presidential hopeful’s visit to Crown Point on Saturday marked the second time in less than a month that a national spotlight shone on Crown Point. And this one brought with it some political controversy in the 2008 race for the presidency.

    Clinton grabbed dinner at Bronko’s restaurant on Main Street on Saturday, noshing a pepperoni pizza with crushed pepper and jalapenos and drinking a shot and a beer with Mayor David Uran and other local officials.

    Democratic presidential challenger U.S. Sen. Barack Obama on Monday criticized Clinton for the visit.

    “Around election time, the candidates can’t do enough for you. They’ll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer,” Obama told a meeting of the Alliance for American Manufacturing, according to the Associated Press.

    Television tabloid show “Inside Edition” on Monday featured Clinton’s visit to Bronko’s, portraying her as pounding down alcoholic beverages with locals.

    But Bronko’s owner Nick Tarailo said he was disturbed by the questions focused on her drinking. She only sipped one Crown Royal whiskey shot and drank an Old Style beer, he said.

    “She had a glass of beer with her pizza,” Tarailo said. “That’s as American as Ford, apple pie and Chevrolet.”

    Tarailo said he thinks Clinton’s short visit did more for Crown Point than Johnny Depp’s extended visit to shoot his “Public Enemies” movie about John Dillinger last month near the square.

    Uran said Clinton’s pit stop in Crown Point showed her commitment to the people. He is one of eight mayors in the region to endorse Clinton in the Democratic primary race for president.

    “I think this shows she cares not only on the national level, but she cares on the local level as well,” Uran said.
    http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2008/04/15/news/top_news/docc631e91d31bbdd5c8625742c0003df05.txt

  348. had read a TM poster who claimed that Obama campaign paid SIEU people to come and boo her at the Jefferson Jackson dinner.

    I’m sick of this immature crap the BO campaign pulls – and if it’s not BO campaign directly – his grassroots supporters who pull these kinds of stunts are low-lifes.

  349. Everyone’s been talking about Rep Davis calling Obama “Boy”, but it is funny how no one mentions that Sen. McConnell said this of Hillary at the same dinner:

    “I hear she hasn’t been this worried since a new Hooters opened” near her home with former President Bill Clinton, McConnell said, prompting laughs from the 400 Northern Kentucky Republicans.

    polwatchers.typepad.com/pol_watchers/2008/04/republicans-tal.html

  350. texan4hillary

    The union SEIU is sending out ground troops to attack her where ever she makes an appearance.

    the are paying for 75,000 to target her in PA alone.

  351. texan, is that the same article from before? If it was at that union thing that she and Obama went ot, one report made it sound like the entire crowd was against her. Another, just a few people, and they liked her answer on NAFTA.

  352. Debbie,

    I noticed. When Mr New Politics does that is when he should be pounded into oblivion.

    It’s the whole point of getting him on the defensive.

    He lashes out and violates the entire rationale for his campaign.

  353. debbie – where’s this information coming from? any hard copy evidence…emails, flyers, etc. do they have a list of tactics…

    everytime I see the press saying she’s getting booed I want to send them info on the low-ball BO tactics of the SEIU

  354. We should put pressure on getting BO to denounce and reject this SEIU (PAC) and what they are doing
    just as he did with JRE

  355. Ok, so it turns out this bartender, Tarailo, makes a better surrogate than all of these politicians. Go figure.

  356. mj

    It was at a fundraising dinner tonight and it wasn’t a sit down dinner. Hillary spoke first and praised Obama and never mentioned his comments about small towns. Obama looked stupid and was not prepared for that as he had his speech ready to defend himself from her, bringing up the small town comments himself.

  357. I personally think its below the belt to play these Chicago style politics. It is why I am so angry with SEIU for taking us back to the old days of Hoffa arm twisting tactics.

  358. debbie Says:

    April 15th, 2008 at 1:29 am
    texan4hillary

    The union SEIU is sending out ground troops to attack her where ever she makes an appearance.

    the are paying for 75,000 to target her in PA alone

    How do you know this?

  359. Oh, this is GOOD.

    (Keep in mind that this was a Bambi campaign organized event, and Hoffa and the Teamsters endorsed Bambi)

    On Lehrer, they were talking to several people from different parts of Pennsylvania by satellite. Nell McCormack Abom is host of the public affairs program “Smart Talk” on WITF-TV in Harrisburg. She said:

    I went last night when Senator Obama went to Steelton. There’s a steel hall there where they gather together, representatives from something like eight unions. Now, granted, these were invited guests, so they tended to be pro-Obama.

    I specifically went up to several older white men, many of them were Teamsters wearing their Teamsters jackets. And I said, “What do you think?” They didn’t want to go on the record, but the bottom line for them was they brought up Reverend Wright and his comments. They brought up this feeling, “I’m just not sure about this guy.”

    And if there’s one thing you know about Pennsylvania voters, they like familiarity. They want to know what they’re buying when they put their money on the table. They want to know when they go into that booth and they pull that lever what that person stands for.

    Barack Obama has not answered all of those questions yet. And in this Democratic primary, that could be decisive.

    w*w.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/keystone_04-14.html

  360. she wasn’t booed at the dinner, it was just no one was paying attention because it was a stand up buffet and they were all trying to stuff their faces. They didn’t pay attention to Obama either.

  361. well, fuck seiu.

    I don’t care if they’re a uinion, they should all go to hell i they can let money persuade them to degrade a woman of such integrity, honesty, and courage.

    FUCK SEIU and union members who are being persuaded to do this shit. I hope they all go and end up in hell.

  362. Joe Friday

    I can confirm that personally, a lot of “members” of Change to Win: SEIU, Teamsters etc. are very upset the international has endorsed BHO.

  363. unions are not all bad, they have fought for a lot improvements in the work place for a lot of people, it’s just the leadership sometimes suck and members need to kick their a$$es out of there.

  364. The intersting thing to see next week, will be how big of a margin obama wins Philadelphia. Mr. Cocky has not been campaigning there and has no events scheduled before the election. Seems like he is taking his base for granted.

  365. debbie,

    The Media Whores keep saying that Reverend Wright has not moved any voters, but the facts on the ground keep saying otherwise.

  366. What do you mean, Blue? PA is a closed primary.

    See, I think BO’s comments really tie back to Wright, and that’s why I’m a bit surprised Rendell is saying it won’t matter, but what do I know.

    I think Dem SD’s who think Wright, rezco, his recent comments, MO’s comments, et al, won’t matter in a GE are delusional.

  367. The Bambi campaign had been saying that they were going to do very well in the SouthEast and the SouthWest of Pennsylvania, in metro Pittsburgh and the surrounding counties, and metro Philadelphia and the surrounding counties.

    But then the Philly Mayor, Nutter, endorsed Hillary. Then the Mayor of Pittsburgh, Luke Ravenstahl, endorsed Hillary. Then the former Mayor of Pittsburgh, Sophie Masloff, endorsed Hillary. Then the County Executive of Allegheny County (which surrounds Pittsburgh), Dan Onorato, endorsed Hillary.

  368. If the comments are not hurting him, why am I reading comments on Hill’s blog about mayor’s who support BO sending out letters and making robo calls saying “stay strong” in your support? Why are they freaking out?

  369. A Living Lie
    By Thomas Sowell

    An e-mail from a reader said that, while Hillary Clinton tells lies, Barack Obama is himself a lie. That is becoming painfully apparent with each new revelation of how drastically his carefully crafted image this election year contrasts with what he has actually been saying and doing for many years.

    Senator Obama’s election year image is that of a man who can bring the country together, overcoming differences of party or race, as well as solving our international problems by talking with Iran and other countries with which we are at odds, and performing other miscellaneous miracles as needed.

    There is, of course, not a speck of evidence that Obama has ever transcended party differences in the United States Senate. Voting records analyzed by the National Journal show him to be the farthest left of anyone in the Senate. Nor has he sponsored any significant bipartisan legislation — nor any other significant legislation, for that matter.

    Senator Obama is all talk — glib talk, exciting talk, confident talk, but still just talk.

    Some of his recent talk in San Francisco has stirred up controversy because it revealed yet another blatant contradiction between Barack Obama’s public image and his reality.

    Speaking privately to supporters in heavily left-liberal San Francisco, Obama let down his hair and described working class people in Pennsylvania as so “bitter” that they “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them.”

    Like so much that Obama has said and done over the years, this is standard stuff on the far left, where guns and religion are regarded as signs of psychological dysfunction — and where opinions different from those of the left are ascribed to emotions (“bitter” in this case), rather than to arguments that need to be answered.

    Like so many others on the left, Obama rejects “stereotypes” when they are stereotypes he doesn’t like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about “a typical white person” or “bitter” gun-toting, religious and racist working class people.

    In politics, the clearer a statement is, the more certain it is to be followed by a “clarification,” when people react adversely to what was plainly said.

    Obama and his supporters were still busy “clarifying” Jeremiah Wright’s very plain statements when it suddenly became necessary to “clarify” Senator Obama’s own statements in San Francisco.

    People who have been cheering whistle-blowers for years have suddenly denounced the person who blew the whistle on what Obama said in private that is so contradictory to what he has been saying in public.

    However inconsistent Obama’s words, his behavior has been remarkably consistent over the years. He has sought out and joined with the radical, anti-Western left, whether Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers of the terrorist Weatherman underground or pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Rashid Khalidi.

    Obama is also part of a long tradition on the left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.

    Karl Marx said, “The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing.” In other words, they mattered only in so far as they were willing to carry out the Marxist agenda.

    Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw included the working class among the “detestable” people who “have no right to live.” He added: “I should despair if I did not know that they will all die presently, and that there is no need on earth why they should be replaced by people like themselves.”

    Similar statements on the left go back as far as Rousseau in the 18th century and come forward into our own times.

    It is understandable that young people are so strongly attracted to Obama. Youth is another name for inexperience — and experience is what is most needed when dealing with skillful and charismatic demagogues.

    Those of us old enough to have seen the type again and again over the years can no longer find them exciting. Instead, they are as tedious as they are dangerous.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/a_living_lie.html

  370. Allentown Mayor Ed Pawlowski endorsed Hillary Clinton for president today.

    “Senator Clinton has solutions to problems facing urban areas like Allentown. Senator Clinton has proven herself to be a very capable legislator, extremely knowledgeable on the issues, adept at getting things done, and aware of the needs of our inner city residents and middle class,” he said in a statement. “I support her candidacy and ask Democratic voters in Allentown to do the same.”

    Pawlowski, mayor of Allentown since 2006, said he was backing Clinton in part because of the anti-crime initiative the New York senator laid out in a speech in Philadelphia on Friday. Clinton proposed spending $4 billion on anti-crime programs that would in part fund 100,000 new police officers for communities nationwide.

    “I have studied both candidates’ positions on health care, the environment and improving our schools, but Friday’s proposal on anti-crime gets at the very heart of the problem facing cities across America,” Pawlowski said.

  371. If you read the NYT article on Rendell,
    it says he coordinated all the mayoral endorsements for Hill.

  372. what MJ, about independents?

    The Rev. Wright thing overall (national numbers) didn’t show BO taking a huge, sustained hit. But his numbers among independents dropped rather dramatically (I don’t have them off-hand, more than few, think it might’ve been around 10-12), particularly his favorables.

    It was a joke on Joe Friday’s point about why pundits kept saying
    Rev. Wright had no effect (which they have, repeatedly and in unison), despite the internals showing that among independents, it did.

  373. the article said the longer hillary can stay in the race and win pa etc the better her odds. her winning ohio kept the sds from shutting her campaign down. many sds are worried about the rural and workin folks votes. the more she can demonstrate this the better for her.

  374. Not to keep posting from TalkLeft, cause everyone can certainly just go there; but they’re frequently right and well-thought out, as I see it.

    “I do find it ironic that Survey USA’s poll ranking survey is referenced, but its Pennsylvania poll showing Hillary Clinton ahead by 18 is not. Instead, this strange comment from the Quinnipiac pollster is featured:
    I don’t see that much movement in Pennsylvania myself,” Mr. Richards said by phone from Harrisburg on Monday. . . . Both pollsters agreed that Sen. Obama hasn’t been hurt much by his remarks about small-town Pennsylvania voters last week. . . . Mr. Richards said, “My hunch is [the remarks] won’t make much of a difference because most voters who might feel insulted by his comments were already Clinton voters or [R]epublicans who weren’t going to vote for him, anyway.”
    (Emphasis supplied.) I never trust a pollster who is providing me with punditry. Mr. Richards lost a lot of my trust with that. In addition his expectations of what tonight’s polling is going to be also is bothersome. SUSA is the world’s greatest pollster right now based on the record and based on behavior. Maybe the Media will notice some day.

  375. the SEIU is a company union at this point. It’s almost better if Hillary is not associated with it. It’s despised by other unions. Andy Stern split from the AFL-CIO a few years ago, and been doing the circular firing squad on other unions as well as kissing the butt of any CEO he can find. They also sent my house an anti-nurses union flier the same time I was out on a 3 day nurses strike. Some support.

  376. blue dem, i was thinking the same thing when i heard mr. richards comment on the susa poll. wtf, he seem to teasing us what he knows about his own poll. there are different polls with different results. why diss susa with his own poll?

  377. incidentally, this is SEIU’s schtick right now :

    press release from California Nurses Association

    “In the wake of a brutal attack on a labor conference in Michigan Saturday night by staff of the Service Employees International Union, the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee Monday called on SEIU President Andrew Stern to “renounce the use of violence, and stop targeting women, nurses, and working people for threats and harassment.”

    take it for what you will

    ta
    tt

    By their own admission, quoted in an SEIU press release after the event, SEIU said it sent 800 people to the event to confront CNA/NNOC Rose Ann DeMoro, the scheduled banquet speaker that night, and other female CNA/NNOC leaders who were at the conference.

  378. You want to know how I know Obama is screwed. His most loyal sycophant UK journalist following the trail is scared to death.

    Read this, this guy has been on the Obama bandwagon bigtime and now, seems to be jumping ship

    blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/tobyharnden/april08/bittergateprice.htm

    The Bittergate price Barack Obama could have to pay

    There’s little sign of the Bittergate brouhaha dying down, as I report in today’s paper. I’m now up in Pittsburgh to report on the final week of the Pennsylvania primary campaign and will be seeing firsthand how this thing plays out. An American research Group poll shows Obama moving from being level to 20 points behind in Pennsylvania. But a Gallup national poll has him holding steady.

    Democrat hopeful Barack Obama greets some fans
    The Bittergate brouhaha is a large blow for Barack Obama

    Pollster.com has a good piece here on how to deconstruct these polls but essentially we have to wait and see. In the meantime, take a look at Hillary Clinton’s “Bitter” tv ad – a hard-hitting negative spot in which ordinary (though somewhat stilted/scripted) Pennsylvanians take him to task and declare themselves unbitter. Then check out my list of 10 reasons why this could be really bad for Obama, if not now then in a general election.

    Hillary Clinton’s Pennsylvania ad hits back at Obama’s comments

    1. One of the main planks of Obama’s campaign is his words. Now he’s finding out that this cuts both ways – words can count against you. There are many people who use guns for hunting and/or who have a strong religious faith who were genuinely offended by what he said.

    2. His career on the national stage was launched by his 2004 Democratic convention speech. The contrast between his words then – “we worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States” – and now – peoplemin small towns “they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations” is hard to explain.

    3. The comments feed into and therefore solidify an existing perception of Obama that’s he’s arrogant, aloof and Ivy League. While his comments were similar to the thesis in Thomas Frank’s book “What’s the matter with Kansas?” – and therefore firmly in the Democratic mainstream – they might play particularly badly in Pennsylvania, which could have been his chance to score a knockout blow against Hillary Clinton.

    4. If Bittergate does alienate voters then they’ll be the older, white, blue-collar voters that Obama was already struggling with and whom he needs to win over in a general election.

    5. Hillary now has a much more persuasive argument with the super-delegates. Obama’s shifting justifications/apologies have not helped matters.

    6. While the Reverend Jeremiah Wright furore seemed not to have damaged Obama in the short term (it’s sure to return in the general election), Bittergate could persuade many of those who gave him the benefit of the doubt over Wright to switch to Hillary.

    7. The comments underline that Obamas main problem with voters is cultural, not racial. And it provides a ready-made justification for abandoning him without feeling guilty that the switch was for racial reasons i.e.some voters might have been reluctant to switch even though they though his race made him less electable; they might be less reluctant now.

    8. As Hillary correctly pointed out, Al Gore and John Kerry lost in 2000 and 2004 in large part because they were seen as out of touch with ordinary voters. Democrats might think hard before risking this happening a third time (though of course Hillary has her own issues in this respect).

    9. The comments enable Republicans to portray him as a standard-issue liberal and they’ve taken much of the sheen off his victories in red states like Kansas, Idaho and North Dakota.

    10. His remarks were made at a private fundraiser (at the home of the Gettys, no less) in San Francisco – the most catastrophic place to make comments that seem (or were) snooty and elitist. The best interpretation is that Obama was clumsy. The worst is that he’s condescending and hypocritical. Either way, states like Indiana, Kentucky, Montana and South Dakota – which all still have to vote – are in a different universe from the Left Coast.

    I think he’s kinda saying Obama, you are fucked.

  379. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pennsylvania-takes-dim-view-of-obamas-elitism-808981.html

    Pennsylvania takes dim view of Obama’s ‘elitism’

    As bitter as small town Americans may now be, guns and God were always part of the picture and Mr Obama’s remarks seemed to reveal a gulf of comprehension that has left even his supporters flabbergasted. Branded as an undetectable elitist, a contrite Mr Obama showed up at a local evangelical college on Sunday to explain these remarks to a private audience in much-despised San Francisco. Despite being the most polished candidate for the White House in a generation, his inelegant remarks could turn into a serious block on his path to the Democratic nomination.

    Unlike the Reverend Wright episode, which was guilt by association with a rabble-rousing pastor, this time the trouble is of Mr Obama’s own making. It began when he tried to explain to fund-raisers why small-town Pennsylvanians weren’t supporting him.

    I think there is a very bitter price for him to pay and its going to be very high.

  380. Seems Hillary’s critics do not pay their taxes:

    Dick Morris: The former political adviser to Bill Clinton is a Fox News analyst. The IRS filed a $1.5 million tax lien against him in 2003. The state of Connecticut reports Morris owes $452,367 in back taxes and penalties.

    Morris says he’s reached an agreement with Connecticut and his name will be removed from the next delinquency list. He says he is committed to paying his taxes: “Following a difficult period in my life, I fell into arrears. But since then, I have paid almost $3 million in state and federal taxes.”

    Sinbad: The comedian and actor — whose full name is Sinbad Adkins — owes $2.1 million to the state of California, according to the California Franchise Tax Board. The IRS filed a $416,870 tax lien against him in 2006. Other tax liens against him date to 1994, when he starred in The Sinbad Show on the Fox Network. His recent gigs include performing at last year’s Wal-Mart shareholders meeting and Saturday at the Hilton Casino in Atlantic City. Sinbad declined to comment.

    abcnews.go.com/Business/PersonalFinance/Story?id=4650368&page=1

  381. Why the democrats won’t win if Obama heads the ticket.
    Here’s part of an article on Obama’s Bittergate affect by Thomas Sowell.

    In politics, the clearer a statement is, the more certain it is to be followed by a “clarification,” when people react adversely to what was plainly said.

    Obama and his supporters were still busy “clarifying” Jeremiah Wright’s very plain statements when it suddenly became necessary to “clarify” Senator Obama’s own statements in San Francisco.

    People who have been cheering whistle-blowers for years have suddenly denounced the person who blew the whistle on what Obama said in private that is so contradictory to what he has been saying in public.

    However inconsistent Obama’s words, his behavior has been remarkably consistent over the years. He has sought out and joined with the radical, anti-Western left, whether Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers of the terrorist Weatherman underground or pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Rashid Khalidi.

    Obama is also part of a long tradition on the left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.

    Karl Marx said, “The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing.” In other words, they mattered only in so far as they were willing to carry out the Marxist agenda.

    Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw included the working class among the “detestable” people who “have no right to live.” He added: “I should despair if I did not know that they will all die presently, and that there is no need on earth why they should be replaced by people like themselves.”

    Similar statements on the left go back as far as Rousseau in the 18th century and come forward into our own times.

    It is understandable that young people are so strongly attracted to Obama. Youth is another name for inexperience — and experience is what is most needed when dealing with skillful and charismatic demagogues.

    Those of us old enough to have seen the type again and again over the years can no longer find them exciting. Instead, they are as tedious as they are dangerous.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/a_living_lie.html

  382. Good Morning!
    Emjay – thanks for the link. I saw it way up thread and thanked you somewhere in the middle thread 😀

    SPEGA,
    I will get the correct info to you in a bit.

    Blue Dem,
    Did you ever get Gavin’s contact info?
    Djia – You ROCK! That windsurfing Ozomba is awesome!
    It’s gonna be ANOTHER great day! 😀

  383. Blue Dem,

    For Gavin contact info go to HRC’s site to the Take Action section and post comments there.

  384. Ronald

    that’s is one compelling and scary video!!……exactly the kind of thing the GOP would love to use in the fall

  385. Watched the video again.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys68HEA1DLA

    It’s called the Reality Infection program (Codename: Obama)
    1 – Load money
    2 – Call for New government (shows Brazille and company)
    3 – Infect the media, the press, the internet
    4 – Spread Platitudes
    Mass Assimilation
    5 – Suppress reason
    pics of Dobbs, ferraro and Wilson with tape over their mouths
    Block online bloggers
    6 – Destroy all Evidence
    Delete – Rezko, NAFTA, Wright, Michelle

    DELETE ALL FILES
    INFECTION – 78.4 complete
    Check it out everyone.

  386. The fact is that Obama is an arrogant elitist. He has been from the beginning. The only ones who don’t see it are the rich, arrogant elitist. They think they are going to choose the president for us. Guess what? The middle class, both black and white, are not going to let that happen. The fact is that this country couldn’t run without the ol’ unwashed middle class. There would be no clean toilets, no grocery stores, no buildings built, no dinners served, etc. You know what I mean. This country would come to a stand still and the elitists would cry. Can you just see them using a dirty toilet right now.

    We have got to stick together and fight Obama becoming president to the end. I will not live in a country where Obama is president. He is a liar, a crook, a pussy, etc. You know what I mean.

    So folks, let’s keep on “keeping on.” That is what we do best. We need to ignore the media who is trying to do us in and all the republican pundits who are trying to do us in and keep on fighting for Hillary.

    Do any of you begrudge Hillary and Bill from making millions. I sure don’t. If anyone in this country deserves to have millions, it is the Clintons. I enjoy every moment of their wealth.

    Do you love Bill any less for his little piccadillos? I love him more and Hillary too. They will both be beloved figures in history and history will have to record this. I miss the Clinton years. I felt safe and secure. I knew I had someone in the White House who liked the middle class and knew our character and strength. He made mistakes but all presidents do and we forgave him for them all. When I hear Obama denigrate Bill Clinton, I want to scratch his eyes out.

    Does anyone care whether Hillary landed in Bosnia under sniper fire? I sure as hell don’t. It makes a better story and at least she went to Bosnia.

    Let’s keep fighting folks til we can’t take it any more. Then we can have a revolution. We eventually stopped the Vietnam war, we can do the same to the Irag war.

    Most of us manage to remain silent until they really stick the screws to us. We are just waiting…….

  387. Craig Crawford’s latest from blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/

    I enjoy his column, but in this case, I am not going to sit aroung wringing my hands worrying if Hillary should aggressively go after BO. Strike while the topic is still hot.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    Will Clinton’s ‘Bitter’ Ad Turn Sour?
    By Craig Crawford | April 15, 2008 6:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (80)

    Ignoring critics and friends alike who warn of a backlash, Hillary Rodham Clinton launched a new television advertisement on Monday night that uses voter testimonials to attack Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama.

    “It just shows how out of touch Barack Obama is,” says one unidentified man in the ad, referring to Obama’s recent remarks that some voters “cling to guns or religion” out of frustration with tough economic times.

    Whether or not it is a politically smart play, the Clinton ad cleverly isolates the most damaging portion of Obama’s April 6 comments at a California fundraising. Although much of the ensuing debate has focused on Obama labeling working-class voters as “bitter,” it was his assertion that they “cling” to “guns or religion” that could prove to be more harmful.

    Clinton seems determined to do whatever she can to keep “Bittergate” alive, despite the risks. Regardless of its impact on voters, the ad is sure to get a lot of news media play today – which might be its intended purpose.

    With just a week to go before the Pennsylvania primary, the Clinton camp is clearly calculating that there is more to gain than lose by fueling continued media focus on Obama’s controversial words.

    Still, this Clinton ad is perhaps her toughest and most personally direct television spot so far against Obama. It is likely to upset some Democratic leaders who had hoped for a more civil tone.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    The Dem “leaders” who hope for a more civil tone are the exact ones who have been leading us off a cliff, like we’re going to keep listening to Kerry, Dean, Pelosi, Carter, etc. All they want with this call for “civility” is to remove the possibility of Hillary exposing Barack as unelectable. Which he is.

  388. Irish,
    Well said. I have a hunch that the media and the press may be waking up to the fact that they’re also perceived as “ELITIST” (DUH) and this incident is either going to make them dig in their heels (to protect and defend their position) or we will see a mass shift in coverage.
    The ‘E’ word seems to have even more legs than the “R” word. It’s not discussed with as much passion, the effect is more subtle, but I think it’s making BM reps squirm.
    I agree the Clintons are entitled to make money! WTH NOT????
    That HRC was even in Bosnia speaks volumes about her. BTW, did you see that great pic of her and McCain in battle gear on a military aircraft?

  389. Ronald, As a pathologist you must have been really struck by the visuals.

    Reminds me of The Hot Zone, about the Ebola Virus outbreak.

  390. rgb44hrc,

    The Dem “leaders” who hope for a more civil tone are those who want Hillary to quit and hand the nominee to BHO.

  391. The Dem leaders only start wringing their hands and calling for a more “civil” tone when it is Obama being hit.

    When it’s Hillary or Bill being degraded and trashed the livelong day, they NEVER utter one PEEP about the “tone” of the race.

    They are so transparent now that it’s just laughable.

  392. meiyingsu. Hil4texas,
    Did you check Dobbs last night.

    Here’s one of the highlights. 😀

    Lou got Ben Smith when he said the Democratic party “elders” wanted HRC to drop out of the race. Lou said, “No, it is OZOMBA supporters who want her to drop out. Name one neutral party member saying that Senator Clinton should drop out of the race?” Ben was quiet then meekly responded “You got me, Lou.”

  393. “Democratic party “elders” wanted HRC to drop out of the race.”

    I would translate this as “Ted Kennedy” and “Pat Leahy.”

  394. transcript for our favorite of all time Lou Dobbs yesterday is up now 😀

    and you can order a copy of the video (ordering details at the bottom of the page)

    h t t p : / / transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/14/ldt.01.html

  395. Talking about “neutral”, is yesterday’s analysis by John Harwood, at:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/us/politics/14caucus.html?sq=harwood&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&scp=1&adxnnlx=1208268691-TJS5h8gGY6zspXWu/muCzQ

    ….comes this little gem:

    “Clinton will be more aggressive,” predicted Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s campaign manager in 2000 and a Democratic National Committee member who is neutral in this race.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Okay, after five minutes, you can stop laughing. They are probably writing to the uninformed, because Obama’s people and Clinton’s people know whose bread Brazile is buttering.

  396. lawschooldem,
    ROTFLMAO!
    That is toooo funny!
    MSNBC = MSLSD
    Those in the media in such a state of ‘journalistic arousal” that the “Barack Obama Thrill Up my Leg Award” was launched.
    And the nominees – Tweetie, Wright and Tweetie, who along with other BM shills have thrills running up their leg or in some cases down their leg.
    And the winning comment – “The Obamas are such COOL people. When you’re in the room with Obama you feel the spirit move you.” as spoken by Tweetie on the Tonight Show. :mrgreen:
    t

  397. The song they chose was the BEST thing about that “thrill up my leg award” video.

    Please, if you watch it, watch it all the way through to the song. It was perfect! 😀

  398. Guys,
    This shows the power of a rapid response to press inaccuracies. I’ve plugged before but if you haven’t already, please sign up for Rapid responders.

    GREAT TEAM WORK RESPONDERS!

    Based on our rebuttals to J.R. Labbe’s column in last Sunday’s Star-Telegram (Texas), she has written a full retraction and an apology to the Clinton campaign.

    Star-Telegram: Mea culpa, mea culpa
    By J.R. Labbe

    From J.R. Labbe:

    I blew it in my Sunday column.

    My apologies to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and her campaign for not being up-to-date on the permutations of the anecdote she was using about a 35-year-old pregnant woman who died at an Ohio hospital.

    The Star-Telegram’s Editors even removed her Sunday column from their website.

    Editor’s note: Because of the inaccuracies herein detailed, the column in question was removed from the Web site several hours after it was published.

    From J.R. Labbe:

    I heard from dozens of Clinton supporters Sunday and Monday, and they were understandably upset. I’ve been called everything from a “gender traitor” and “sexist” to things that I’d rather my mama not read. I don’t take those condemnations personally — the writers were angry, and they lashed out in ways that perhaps weren’t appropriate, but they did reflect their frustration.

  399. Ann – that was a back-handed insult at the end…considering she was the one that was perpetuating a lie.

  400. it is from talkleft.com

    The new SUSA PA poll is out:

    54 percent would vote for Clinton and 40 percent would vote for Obama. Three percent chose the “other” category. The 1,600 interviewees were questioned for the poll Saturday through Monday.

    SUSA’s site does not have the internals. I will add to this post as soon as we get them.

  401. SUSA closed 4 points I think, within the margin. But since it moved that way you can bet BM will now cover it.

    Btw, came to me in my dreams. Hill herself should get off ‘bittergate’.
    She’s (mostly) done what she could.

    It’s his mess, let him deal with it.

  402. Good Morning! Here is the schedule from Marcia at NOW regarding their events for PA. Everyone is invited. She asked me to post this here. Let’s get this party started!

    Make History with Hillary!
    Our time – and HER time is NOW
    You’re invited to an “I’m Ready for Hillary” Party

    Women’s rights activists know how important victory in Pennsylvania
    is to Hillary Clinton’s campaign for the Presidency and to our lives and future. Kim Gandy, President of National NOW PAC, and other national and state NOW leaders are coming to Pennsylvania to meet with NOW members and feminist voters to tell personal and moving stories about working with Hillary Clinton on women’s rights issues and underscore our first-hand knowledge of her commitment to women, families and a better, more equal world.

    The National NOW PAC has endorsed Hillary Clinton because she can
    deliver on DAY ONE and she is the strongest candidate to: win in November; fix our shattered economy; resolve the housing and mortgage crisis; develop a
    health care program that covers ALL Americans; stand firm as a strong
    civil rights and women’s rights leader; promote policies that help us juggle work and family; and work to bring our troops home from Iraq from day one.

    Join us for the discussion & the party. Invite friends who love Hillary AND who are undecided!

    Tuesday, April 15
    Pittsburgh (Blackridge)
    7 – 8 pm
    2525 Collins Rd, Pittsburgh 15235
    Hosted by Sue Roselle roselle25@verizon.net, Mary Litman, and Kathy
    Smith
    Special Guest: Beloved NOW activist Jeanne Clark

    Thursday, April 17
    STATE COLLEGE
    7:30 – 9 pm
    284 McCormick Ave, State College, PA 16801
    Special Guest: Joanne Tosti-Vasey, Candidate for PA State Assembly,
    171st
    House District
    Hosted by Jane Sheeder, 814-238-2869 and Justine Andronici,
    andronicij@cs.com, 814-364-9391

    DOWNINGTON (west of Philadelphia)
    6:30 pm to 8:30 pm
    275 Spring Run Lane, Downingtown PA 19335
    Hosted by Larry and Linda Davis and their daughter
    Melody Drnach, Vice President Action, NOW vpaction@now.org,
    202-641-1903

    Friday, April 18
    ALLENTOWN
    7-9 PM
    4456 Creek Road, Allentown, PA 18104
    Hosted by Mary Landis
    Contact: Marion Wagner, mrnwagner@yahoo.com, cell 317 435-5388

    Saturday, April 19

    HARRISBURG
    11 am – 1 pm Brunch
    4231 Kota Ave, Harrisburg, PA 17110
    Hosted by Brenda L. Lawrence, 717-651-0263, and 717 724-7230

    CLINTON (Pittsburgh suburb)
    2 – 4:30 pm
    96 Combs Rd, Clinton, PA 15026
    Hosted by Deborah Evans Crawford and Phyllis Wetherby
    PWETHERBY@aol.com,
    412-241-4844
    Special guest: Beth Hafer, NOW PAC-endorsed candidate for U.S House, PA
    district 18

    LANCASTER
    3-5 pm
    307 Perry Ave, Lancaster PA 17603
    Hosted by Lancaster NOW members and community leaders
    Contact: Marcia Pappas mjequality@aol.com, Cell: 518-469-2661

    ELIZABETHTOWN
    6:30 – 8:30 pm
    1511 Hickory Run Court, Elizabethtown PA 17022
    Hosted by Lois K. Herr, herrlk@embarqmail.com 717-371-5721 cell

    Sunday, April 20
    PITTSBURGH
    2:00 – 4:30 p.m.
    320 Comstock Dr, N. Huntingdon, PA 15642
    Hosted by Deanna DellaVedova, 412-824-1156, admin@rel-tek.com,

    PHILADELPHIA
    1 – 4 pm
    “NOW con Hillary” at the Cobre Restaurant
    812 N Broad St, Philadelphia, PA 19130
    Hosted by Olga Vives, NOW Exec VP, vpexec@now.org, 202-641-1904

    PHILADELPHIA
    Evening party – Details to be announced

    NOW PAC Women for Hillary in Pennsylvania
    Kim Gandy, President, National NOW
    Olga Vives, Executive Vice President, National NOW, DC
    Melody Drnach, Action Vice President, National NOW, DC
    Marcia Pappas, President, New York State NOW, National NOW Board Member
    Marion Wagner, NOW Great Lakes Regional Director, National NOW Board
    Member
    Marj Signer, President, Virginia NOW
    Stephanie Ortoleva, President, 51st state NOW, National Board Member
    Pat Reuss, Senior Policy Analyst, National NOW Johanna Ettin, Director, NOW Foundation Oral History Project For information about NOW in PA, contact
    Joanne Tosti-Vasey, PA NOW. panow@panow.org, 814-280-8571or Olga Vives, vpexec@now.org, cell: 202-641-1904

    Paid for by National NOW PAC

  403. it will take a week or two to see the impact of bittergate. I think the latest SUSA do not show full impact of bittergate just yet.

  404. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/opinion/15herbert.html?hp

    The above is the whole link for Bob Herbert’s NYTimes piece today called “Some Perspective on ‘Bitter’ “. Below are excerpts and my witty retorts (preceded by “$$”). I swear that portions I deleted or “…” do not contort his phrases out of context.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    “…It’s pretty widely understood that a substantial number of those voters — in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia and elsewhere — will not vote for a black candidate for president.

    $$$$ we’d vote for a black candidate if they were electable, which includes
    a) having **enough** experience (and that’s where the debate can start)
    b) not have the tendency to say and do “boneheaded” things on a regular baiss
    c) not having a voting record that is extremely liberal, or “wrong votes” and “present” votes.

    This toxic issue is at the core of the Clinton camp’s relentless effort to persuade superdelegates that Senator Obama “can’t win” the White House.

    $$$$ Note who the words “toxic” and “relentless” are ascribed to.

    It’s the only weapon left in the Clintons’ depleted armory.

    $$$$ Cute cheap, that Hillary’s only shot at being president is to do or say anything to rip down this ennobled candidate, yea, a Titan amongst Men.

    Senator Obama has spent his campaign trying to dodge the race issue, which in America is like trying to dodge the wind.

    $$$$ Obama wants voters to get past seeing his race when it pertains to his background and white voters, but he plays up the race issue when it’s to sway AA voters (about his blackness, and that Hillary is a closet racist). Exhibit A: South Carolina, Bill the Racist Clinton, etc.

    So when he fielded the question in San Francisco …. he fell back on a tortured response that was demonstrably incorrect. …. He danced all around the truth. Unless you’re Fred Astaire, if your dance steps get too intricate you’re bound to make a misstep. This was a big one.

    $$$$ Can this be Obama’s “macaca” moment?

    But there is something perverse in the effort to portray Senator Obama — who has tried hard to promote a message of unity and healing — as some kind of divisive figure.

    $$$$ Ummm…he’s proven to be the exact opposite of a uniter (hey, sounds familiar??). And he’ll be the exact opposite of The Democrat Who Win the GE”.

    He has spoken with great insight and empathy, most notably in his race speech in Philadelphia, about the anxiety and frustration of middle- and working-class Americans.

    $$$$ While he’s been just **speaking** about racism, Hillary has a whole history of **working** for causes that directly and indirectly affect the AA community. But now she’s the “racist”.

    But “bitter” has a connotation that is generally not helpful in a political campaign. Bitter suggests powerlessness and a smallness of spirit. Most people would prefer to be characterized as “angry” — a term that suggests empowerment — rather than “bitter,” with its undertone of defeat. So this was not a good episode for Senator Obama, however you look at it.

    $$$$ When guys like Bob Herbert admit this is bad…you know it is much worse than that. Macaca. Meltdown. Bye-bye rural voters (PA, IN). Bye-bye Denver. “We’ll always have Iowa, schweetheart”.

  405. “It’s pretty widely understood that a substantial number of those voters — in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia and elsewhere — will not vote for a black candidate for president.”

    There it is again. I am not voting for Obama because he doesn’t have the experience, the plans, or the courage I think Hillary has. If he were not african american, does anyone believe african americans would be voting for him?

  406. Is any of this gaining traction? Has he made enough blunders to change the SD’s and some of the voters in the remaining states? Is PA going to give Hillary enough of a victory (10-12%) so the media can’t lie and claim it was a loss…and even if she does, will they now claim NC is the finale(knowing the AA’s will go 95% for Barry).

  407. The polls, with most trying to dupe us, are all over the place, nearly all not taking ‘bitter’ into full account, as it’s been a 4-day non-stop newscycle. Probably by the weekend it’ll start to show up.

    But we are seeing the preferred Axelrod/BO defense, which is to litter their friendly (and who isn’t) news sources with stories of how he’s this great counter-puncher. Politico had one yesterday, WaPo today.

    I’m gone rest of the day, won’t be hogging the board. Enjoy!

  408. Gee, Bob Herbert, when your candidate goes around accusing everyone of racism, maybe he’s the one who’s divisive.

  409. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 15th, 2008 at 11:50 am
    SUSA closed 4 points I think, within the margin. But since it moved that way you can bet BM will now cover it.

    Btw, came to me in my dreams. Hill herself should get off ‘bittergate’.
    She’s (mostly) done what she could.

    It’s his mess, let him deal with it.
    ****************************************************
    I disagree, Hillary need to keep on defining her differences between her and Obama, this is fair game to talk about policy and your understanding of the voters needs and concerns.

    That’s why this issue will not go away and why Obama’s AA support will start softening up.

  410. Got another one. Obama is C3PIO. Limpwristed, knows rulebooks and nothing else, and nothing sticks to him.

    Let’s have Hillary as Marian in RAIDERS drink him under the table. After the bowl-off.

  411. lninla Says:
    April 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
    can you publish JR Labbe’s email? I’d like to explain to her why Clinton’s supporters are angry.

    It’s been done. She’s retracted and apologized and the piece was removed from the paper’s website a few hours after it appeared.

    h t t p : / / hillaryresponders.com/ did it. Everyone should go and register there!!!

  412. 1950,
    That’s what I was getting at, what those Politico and WaPo stories are trying to make us believe. It goes to their ‘BO as Teflon’ narrative they really want to push next.

    Problem is, he HASN’T dealt with it effectively, which is why it’s raged for 4 days running.

    While I think Hill herself should pivot to something much heavier to attack him on, no way should the campaign, ads, surrogates, or even the former president let up.

  413. Everyone, I aplogize if you’ve already posted this. Was sent to me yesterday by a fellow Hillary supporter from Illinois. Link:
    http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opfritop5637213apr04,0,1974202.story

    Newsday.com
    Clinton not trailing Obama enough to leave race
    BY JAY S. JACOBS
    Jay S. Jacobs, the Nassau County Democratic chairman, is a pedged delegate for Sen. Hillary Clinton.
    April 4, 2008
    Calls for Sen. Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race for the Democratic nomination for president are mostly based on the fact that Sen. Barack Obama is leading in the delegate count.

    But Obama’s estimated lead of 164 pledged delegates, when fairly analyzed, is not what it appears to be. Out of that margin, only 16 delegates were earned in primaries, while 148 delegates – fully 94 percent of his lead – were earned through caucuses.

    That’s an important distinction when you consider the disparity of voter representation between primary-elected and caucus-elected delegates.

    First, the tallies: According to CNN, Obama has 1,413 pledged delegates and Clinton has 1,249. Breaking those numbers down, in the 28 primaries, Obama has accumulated 1,089 delegates to Clinton ‘s 1,073. Through the 16 caucuses held to date, as well as the Texas caucus, Obama has garnered 324 delegates to Clinton ‘s 176.

    According to The New York Times, 25.3 million people have voted so far in the primaries, while only 1.1 million voters have participated in the various caucuses. Obama has captured 63 percent of caucus-goers, but only 51 percent of primary-voters. Clinton has won 36 percent of all caucus attendees and 49 percent of primary voters.

    The disparity suggests that there is either something very seriously different about the voters in caucus states, or something very seriously wrong in the representation of voters’ interests that comes out of the caucus process.

    Caucuses, which are usually held in the evenings, are often complicated and require voters to be present for several hours, exclude many voters – like those who work at night or don’t have child care options or are serving abroad in the military. What’s more, caucus-goers are often required to make their choices known publicly, a practice that contradicts the American concept of the secret ballot.

    And caucuses have an exaggerated impact on the delegate count. Each of the 2,162 delegates earned in the primaries to date represent an average of 11,702 voters. But in the caucuses, each of the 500 delegates represents just 2,200 voters. Each caucus vote is weighted more than 5 times what each primary vote is worth when it comes to allocating delegates.

    There seems to be something very unfair about the caucus process. And, if there were any doubts about that, just look to the one state that chose delegates using both processes – on the same day: Texas .

    I was an observer at one of the Texas caucuses, or “precinct conventions.” While mine was relatively well-organized, many others were not. Reports of verbal and physical fights were rampant. Complaints of a lack of checks on participant qualifications were widespread. There’s a reason why, a full month later, the final results have yet to be reported.

    What happened in Texas is revealing. In the primary, more than 2.8 million people voted, giving Clinton 51 percent of the vote and 65 delegates. Obama received 47 percent of the vote and 61 delegates.

    But the still inconclusive results from the caucuses – conducted on the very same date as the primary – yield a different result. CNN projects that Obama will earn 38 delegates from the precinct conventions, to Clinton ‘s 29 – a margin of nine delegates from caucuses that saw a fraction of the participants in the primaries, where Clinton ‘s margin was only four delegates. In effect, the winner of the popular vote may be the ultimate loser in Texas (sound familiar?).

    But what about on Long Island? In Nassau County, 109,721 Democrats voted in the state’s primary on Feb. 5. That equals 10 percent of the combined total of voters who participated in the 16 caucuses to date. Just from one county! If we add the 89,490 Democrats who voted in Suffolk , Long Island ‘s vote was more than 18 percent of all the caucuses combined. But our 22 delegates are just 4 percent of the number of the total delegates – 500 – elected from those caucuses. Why don’t Long Island’s voters count as much as, say, Wyoming’s?

    Obama’s current overall delegate lead is almost entirely based on the less-democratically run caucuses. For those that argue that superdelegates must follow “the will of the people,” let’s at least compare apples to apples. Give delegates chosen in caucuses the same per-vote weight as that earned by delegates in the primaries.

    That democratic adjustment alone would reduce Obama’s caucus delegate lead from 148 to 28, reducing his overall lead from 164 to just 44 – certainly within Clinton ‘s reach in upcoming primaries, even without Florida and Michigan. When fairly viewed, the delegate race is far from over – and calls for Clinton to leave the race are clearly premature.
    Copyright © 2008, Newsday Inc.

  414. It is clear to me that the dems who call for a more civil tone in this primary are the same ones who are looking for a coronation rather than a contest.

  415. hey all – have you seen this (hi Ben Smith). death threats to Mayhill Fowler – can some journalists (hi Ben Smith) please do more coverage on anyone who dares question the Messiah getting death threats – my congresswoman in CA getting death threats for her support of Hillary – she is African American.

    newsmax.com/insidecover/Obama_death_threats/2008/04/15/88034.html

    excerpts:

    After her report on Obama’s comments appeared on the Huffington Post site, Obama became the target of elitism charges by his presidential rivals, and Fowler received about 200 e-mail messages that she said ranged from “creepy to threatening,” including several death threats, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    Writers on the liberal Web site Daily Kos accused Fowler, 61, of feigning support for Obama to gain access to the San Francisco event.

    “It’s like the liberal blogosphere has issued a fatwa against me,” Fowler told the Times.

    She said she was “dismayed” by Obama’s “bitter” words.

  416. Speaking of Sinbad, was he even on the whole trip with Hillary?
    She made at least four landings:

    By cargo plane at Tuzla
    She went on a side trip to a MASH unit by helicopter
    Another helicopter side trip to another more dangerous location
    Back to Tuzla for the USO show Sinbad was in

    My impression is that on the helicopter trips Hillary was alone wiht the crew.

  417. When the hell will Hillary’s big supporters shut the fuck up??? Bob Johnson bringing up race again just when everything is turning Hillary’s way is idiotic. Granted what he said will all know is probably true, but why raise it again and why now?

    BET Founder Bob Johnson Says Race a Factor in Obama’s Rise

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/15/bet-founder-bob-johnson-says-race-a-factor-in-obamas-rise/

  418. Look at the uproar his comments before SC caused along with Bill’s? It was unnecessary and clearly not what the campaign wants at this moment in time.

  419. PA is theoretically a ‘closed’ primary, but in fact voters could change registration up to about March 24 iirc, and both campaigns were having big voter registration drives.

  420. this primary has been like smelling roses so far…if bho can’t handle this..he won’t handle the general

  421. rjk…its the elephant in the room. yuu would not believe the pressure black folks are under to support bho only because he is black…my bro in law and i don’t even discuss the primary anymore because of this very issue..i don’t support bho and he thinks its a sin…and its all because of race…

  422. moononpluto Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    if Obama’s wise, he’d shut up, he’s fuelling it by opening his gob.
    —————————-

    Hope so. Let’s see:

    Wright tapes broadcast
    Obama does damage control speech, mentions grandmother
    Damage control for the damage control: typical white person

    SF tapes quoted
    Obama talks about six-shooters in duck blinds
    Obama talks about Annie Oakley
    Has he done damage control for Annie Oakley yet?

  423. That Fowler is receiving hate emails and threats does not surprise me at all. I expected the day the story broke. To know BO supporters is to know what they are capable of.

    My next guess is that Fowler will be removed as HuffPost blogger. Like others that have swarmed TM sites b/c they’ve been kicked off DK or HuffPost, Fowler will soon follow.

  424. I mentioned that Yahoo only headline polls that are favorable to BO. Yesterday, not one word of polls showing Hill with significant leads in IN and PA.

    Today, (I’m sure you’re all aware) on the frontpage is the poll showing a tight race in PA with the headline that Bittergate hasn’t effected BO at all.

    Why would google and yahoo be in the tank for BO? What has he promised them?

  425. he has spent massive amounts of money advertising on the internet. He has been a major advertiser. You tend to like people who give you money.

  426. GREAT IDEA FROM A TM POSTER

    Remember when the group of soldiers skewered Kerry after his bonehead comments about uneducated people getting stuck in Iraq?

    They circulated this photo with the “Halp us Jon Carry” banner?

    http://www.wamzle.com/halp/images/index.jpg

    We should do some similar photos of blue-collar people, preferably in PA or IN with big banners:

    “Halp us Burak, we R clingin to awr guns an Gawd”

  427. Blue Democrat wrote:

    While I think Hill herself should pivot to something much heavier to attack him on, no way should the campaign, ads, surrogates, or even the former president let up.
    ——–

    Agreed. We can all continue to point out Obama’s elitist tendencies, but she needs to attack him on health care, and his lack of universal coverage. Point out that Elizabeth Edwards endorsed Hillary’s plan, and keep driving that message home.

  428. God, I would so love to do this. What would be funny is if someone set up a domain, like HalpUsBurak.com, and blue-collar people from all over the country sent in their photos with their signs.

  429. 4/15/2008
    MEMO: Tax Day Test: Is Sen. Obama As Transparent As He Claims?
    To: Interested Parties
    From: The Clinton Campaign
    Date: April 15, 2008
    RE: Tax Day Test: Is Sen. Obama As Transparent As He Claims?

    For all of Sen. Obama’s rhetoric about the need for tax return transparency, you’d think he’d have released all of his tax records. Guess again.

    For weeks, Sen. Obama and his campaign relentlessly demanded that Hillary release all of her tax returns even though 20-years of them were already publicly available. His campaign held an endless string of conference calls, issued press releases and flooded the airwaves with surrogates attacking Hillary for not immediately releasing the returns for the last few years she has been in public life.

    Sen. Obama said the American people “deserve to know where you get your income from,” stressing the need for “full transparency” and bragging that his campaign has “set the bar.”

    Well, Hillary released tax returns earlier this month and is now the only candidate in this race who has made thirty years worth of tax returns public.

    But despite his rhetoric, Sen. Obama doesn’t abide by the standards he sets for others.

    Sen. Obama has refused to release his tax returns for 1997, 1998 and 1999, even though he was in public life as a state senator during those years. During this period of time, Sen. Obama was accepting contributions from special interest lobbyists, PACs and even directly from corporations.

    In fact, Sen. Obama has a habit of demanding higher standards of transparency for others than for himself. The National Archives has released hundreds of thousands of pages of documents from Hillary’s years as first lady, including her entire schedule. Throughout the campaign, Sen. Obama has demanded Hillary release more documents, even though they are not under her control. Meanwhile, Sen. Obama refuses to release any documents that are more than three years old. At first, Sen. Obama and his campaign told the press that he had records from his state senate years. Later, he said he threw them all out.

    Whether it’s tax returns or legislative records or his relationship with indicted political fixer Tony Rezko, Senator Obama seems to take “the dog ate my homework” approach to disclosure.

    When it comes to transparency, the only thing transparent about Senator Obama is his claim to be transparent.

  430. filbertsf – this part of that newsmax article jumped out:

    “It’s like the liberal blogosphere has issued a fatwa against me,” Fowler told the Times.

    This is what gets me – is these guys on DailyKos/Huffpost/Air America who are supposed to be progressive in their attitudes towards freedom of speech and thought, the anti-Iraq war, make-love-not-war types – and here they are degenerating into thuggish, death-threat-issuing brats when they don’t get what they want.

    yes – Yahoo is in the tank – most of the time, negative Obama stuff never makes the headlines or makes it for one blip of a moment. I have no idea – but I’d like to find out – why the persistent, protective, pervasive propaganda around BO on Yahoo.

  431. I don’t read yahoo news, but I would guess their bias is related to the fact that members can vote on articles, and that the pro-Obama stuff gets high votes, while Hillary-related items get trashed with “one star.”

    IMO.

  432. meiyingsu Says:
    April 15th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    4/15/2008
    MEMO: Tax Day Test: Is Sen. Obama As Transparent As He Claims?
    To: Interested Parties
    From: The Clinton Campaign
    Date: April 15, 2008
    RE: Tax Day Test: Is Sen. Obama As Transparent As He Claims?
    *************************************************

    is this something they sent to the media???

  433. Woe Is He
    by John B. Judis
    Barack Obama’s going to be the bitter one at the end of this.
    Post Date Tuesday, April 15, 2008

    Some liberal commentators have downplayed the effect of Barack Obama’s fundraising speech at a San Francisco fundraiser last week. But that’s wishful thinking. Along with the revelations about Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright, his remarks in San Francisco will haunt him not only in the upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia, but also in the general election against John McCain, assuming he gets the Democratic nomination.

    To win in November, a Democratic presidential candidate has to carry most of the industrial heartland states that stretch from Pennsylvania to Missouri. That becomes even more imperative if a Democrat can’t carry Florida–and because of his relative weakness in South Florida, Obama is unlikely to do so against McCain. Ruy Teixeira and I have calculated that in the heartland states, a Democratic presidential candidate has to win from 45 to 48 percent of the white working class vote. In some states, like West Virginia and Kentucky, the percentage is well over a majority.

    Some Democrats insist that Obama need not worry about these states because he will be able to make up for a defeat in Ohio or even Pennsylvania with a victory in Virginia or Colorado. But in Virginia, McCain will be able to draw upon coastal suburbanites closely tied to the military. These voters backed Democrats like Chuck Robb and Jim Webb, who are both veterans, but they may not go for Obama. And in the Southwest, McCain will be able to challenge Obama among Hispanics. So to win in November, Obama will have to win almost all of these heartland states. Which is a problem, because even before he uttered his infamous words about these voters “clinging” to guns, religion, abortion, and fears about free trade, Obama looked vulnerable in the region. A look at the white working class’s relationship with earlier Democratic candidates underscores the various reasons why.

    Many white working class voters in these states used to be loyal Democrats. The last two successful Democratic presidential candidates, Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996, swept Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Missouri. Many of these voters have always been highly patriotic, church-going hunters who were skeptical about the benefits of trade and immigration and–what Obama did not mention–black political assertiveness. But they still distrust Republicans as the defenders of business and look up to Democrats (or at least some Democrats) as being more in tune with average Americans like themselves.

    Democrats have won over these voters when their advantage on the economy has come to the fore. And they’ve lost these voters when their positions on the economy–or national security–were not sufficiently compelling to overcome the Republican advantage on social issues like abortion, gay marriage, or gun control. Why? Because with the exception of a few rabid single-issue voters, the white working class hasn’t simply displaced its economic anxiety, or bitterness, onto God, guns, and gay marriage; they’re actually quite concerned about the economy.

    Historically, there are three circumstances in which Democrats have been able to win over these voters:

    The Unacceptable Republican: Republicans have run candidates with whom white working class voters have not been able to identity–either because of their backgrounds, beliefs, or actions. In 2006 that was obviously true of Ohio gubernatorial candidate Ken Blackwell–an African American and a far right zealot–and Montana Senator Conrad Burns, who was linked to former super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

    The Acceptable Democrat: The Democrats have sometimes run candidates in these states who are sufficiently moderate on guns, abortion, and religion to neutralize the Republican appeal on these issues. That was the case with Pennsylvania pro-life Democratic Senate candidate Bob Casey, who defeated incumbent Rick Santorum in 2006.

    The Empathetic Democrat: The Democrats have run a candidate who can connect with these voters in spite of his or her beliefs on abortion and guns. Pollsters try to get at this by asking voters whether a candidate “cares about people like me.” Sometimes, voters will think a candidate cares about them because they think he is “one of them.” Bill Clinton, of course, was a genius at this. He could be the candidate of Hope, Arkansas, and Yale Law School. Other Democrats have succeeded because they have come off as a father (or mother) figure, who, although from the upper class, still cares about the average American.

    If you look at the upcoming presidential election in this light, the Democratic prospects do not appear to be good. McCain is an acceptable Republican–a war hero and a reputed moderate. (His greatest inherent liability, which could make him unacceptable regardless of his ideas or background, is his age.) Both Democratic candidates, whatever their protestations, are seen as coming out of the party’s liberal wing on guns and abortion.

    That leaves the possibility that these voters will see the Democratic candidate as either “one of them,” or as a father or mother figure who understands their plight. Both candidates clearly have problems on these scores, but Obama’s may be even more severe than Clinton’s. As an African American, he has one strike against him, as has become apparent even in the Democratic primary exit polls. He has tried to appear above race, but he will continually be reminded of his ties to Jeremiah Wright (and his not wearing a flag on his lapel, and his wife’s statements about not being “proud” of America) during a general election.

    Obama comes from a modest background and has tried to appeal as a candidate of both Harvard Law School and Chicago’s Back-of-the-Yards, where he organized laid-off steel workers, but he hasn’t been able to pull it off. His manner, his tenor, and his diction are Harvard Law, and when he starts dropping his ‘g’s,” he sounds strained. And Obama is too young, and lacks the stature, to appear as a Franklin Roosevelt-style father figure.

    Obama does have an astounding eloquence, and an ability to put a position across, but that eloquence has been reserved largely for anti-war and good-government positions. His stance against the war may resonate (though that will depend on whether McCain’s qualification as commander-in-chief trumps his unpopular stance on the war). But where McCain is most vulnerable and where voters are most likely to smile on a Democrat–on everyday economic issues–Obama’s heart doesn’t appear to be in it.

    These difficulties were clear before Obama spoke in San Francisco, but they’re much more glaring now. In the speech, Obama appeared to say that Pennsylvania voters’ opposition to gun control or abortion or immigration or free trade was pathological–a product of what Marxist philosopher Herbert Marcuse once called “false consciousness.” On the other hand, he implied that when he voiced opposition to an issue like free trade–Obama has consistently hammered Clinton on her support for the North American Free Trade Agreement–he was simply pandering to these voters’ displaced anxieties. He was saying to these upscale San Francisco Democrats, “I am really one of you, and I am not one of them.”

    There is even a slight chance that Obama’s words in San Francisco could cost him the nomination. Obama is almost certain to have more elected delegates in June than Hillary Clinton, but if he loses Pennsylvania by 15 percentage points (which is not out of the question), that could start a media firestorm around his candidacy that could contribute to other primary defeats and to superdelegate support for Clinton. It’s not likely to happen, but after Obama spoke his mind, and, perhaps, lost small-town voters’ hearts, in San Francisco, it has suddenly become conceivable.

    John B. Judis is a senior editor at The New Republic and a Visiting Scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

    http://www.tnr.com/environmentenergy/story.html?id=bf08a566-7c44-446a-aa34-7889b0f24b5a

  434. hillfans, i have a subscription to usatoday. during dinner at work i read it and found out dick(pun intended) morris owed millions in back taxes. im like wtf i never knew this. morris is a immoral 2 faced bastard. he trashes hillary but his shady background makes him look BITTER.

  435. Sen. Obama has refused to release his tax returns for 1997, 1998 and 1999, even though he was in public life as a state senator during those years. During this period of time, Sen. Obama was accepting contributions from special interest lobbyists, PACs and even directly from corporations.

    These are the same years for which Sen. Obama refuses to disclose his legislative recods and schedules. At first, Sen. Obama and his campaign told the press that he had records from his state senate years. Later, he said he threw them all out.

    WHAT IS HE HIDING AND WHY AREN’T THEY ASKING?

  436. Caroline,
    That’s great news about the NJ supers! Hill has really been on a roll lately. Don’t they know she doesn’t have “the math”?

  437. ann, if hillary pulled that crap, big media would trash her. obama is the golden boy/chosen one, and jesus wrapped into one with these people.

  438. plural, Yahoo reaches millions worldwide. Stories that appear on the frontpage are often the most read or most emailed stories of the day. If it is true that more people are getting their news from online sources, then we can’t underestimate the reach of google or Yahoo. Many have Yahoo as their homepage, so as soon as the internet comes on, the headline stories are what catches their eyes.

    dija, those memos can be found on Hillary’s site. Just click on “Newsroom” and then go down to “Press Release”

  439. Yahoo tries its best to spin the “There’s no there there” about Bittergate, but they admit the poll in question spanned Wed- Sunday…so that if they take a later time slice, there’s time for peoples’ BITTERNESS to surface when the pollsters ask them how they feel Snobama:

    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
    Penn race unchanged by Obama Remark
    David Paul Kuhn

    Barack Obama’s “bitter” comment may have had little immediate impact in the Democratic primary race in Pennsylvania, according to a poll out this morning. The Quinnipiac University poll found that Hillary Clinton leads Obama 50 to 44 percent, a margin unchanged since the organization’s last statewide poll at the beginning of the month.

    The unchanged margin does not come as a great surprise. Obama’s remark was made public Friday afternoon, leaving only two days to permeate the public.

    The poll, conducted Wednesday through Sunday night, revealed no noticeable shift in support for polling done on Saturday or Sunday. It is the first indication that Obama’s controversial remark may not dramatically change the head-to-head match-up in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next Tuesday.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Go ahead, try to spin it for all it’s worth. Yahoo is just another voice that is increasingly loses its credibility and is fading into the background of meaningless Obama spin.

  440. Why aren’t they hitting him HARD on those tax returns?

    He is hiding something in those tax returns and in those senate papers.

  441. i cant believe barney frank is telling hillary to get out fo the race by june 3rd. shame on barney. yet another clinton backer screwing around.-on thepage

  442. Auchi, Ouch
    April 15, 2008 9:18 AM

    The New York Times — not to mention the Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago Tribune, and the Associated Press report that a witness in the Rezko trial testified that in 2004 Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and his wife attended a party at Antoin Rezko’s home in honor of controversial Iraqi-born British businessman Nadhmi Auchi.

    The testimony, by the government’s star witness against Rezko, Stuart Levine, seems to undermine Obama’s claim he doesn’t recall ever meeting Mr. Auchi, who in 2003 was convicted of fraud in France, (a conviction Auchi is appealing).

    Auchi invested almost $170 million in a real estate venture with Rezko. Spokespeople for Obama and Auchi say neither recalls meeting the other.

    – jpt blogs. abcnews.com/ politicalpunch/ 2008/04/auchi- ouch.html

  443. she owes it to the supporters to take this to the convention. REGARDLESS.

    ef them. they ain’t the ones been working their arses off and who have a stake in this.

  444. Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with Frank?

    Or more aptly put, what was he offered. I’m so sick of this bunch of jackals I would hurl.

    A new Florida poll shows Hill beating McCain and BO getting hammered!

  445. meiyingsu

    I think that press release is extremely relevent and I suspect its a precursor to something coming down the pipeline.

    Somebody last week said something about a big story coming out of the cCinton campaign somewhere between 4/16 and 4/22

    I’m getting anxious.

  446. i wish the harping on bitter would shift-the real bad comments are inrefernce to faith and guns. that is what her 2nd ad should be on. and if these superds arent swayed-then toss out something else. it will take more than a focus on being bitter to freak out party pumbahs. msm will hate her whatever she tries to do.i owrry superds wont be swayed-so winning pa is of course curucial. i keep hping oh this will do it-but the pumbahs dont seem to care to me. its pretty depressing. we need more hits out on this dude

  447. texan4hillary Says:

    April 15th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    i wish the harping on bitter would shift-the real bad comments are inrefernce to faith and guns. that is what her 2nd ad should be on.

    That’s what the FIRST ad is on.

  448. mj not sure but I’m willing to wait and see

    as far as the press release, I think Hillary is about to come down hard on BHO and his secrecy.

  449. 100 Keystone State Mayors Endorse

    Showing strength and momentum in the Keystone State, the Clinton campaign today announced 100 mayors who are endorsing Hillary Clinton for president. Following Senator Obama’s remarks dismissing small town America, mayors joined supporters today in Harrisburg to declare their support for Hillary because of her readiness to lead on day one, her plans to jumpstart the economy, and her Pennsylvania roots and commitment to Pennsylvania values.

    “I am proud to have such strong support from 100 of Pennsylvania’s finest mayors,” Senator Clinton said. “From small towns to big cities, these mayors work hard every day to improve the lives of the people they serve and they know they need a strong partner in Washington to help them bring affordable health care and revitalize their local economies.”

    The 100 mayors endorsing Hillary today will work in the final week of the campaign to get out Hillary’s message of change for Pennsylvania and the country.

  450. obama goes after hillary saying e need a nominee who is for labor. hillary hit the bastard .
    thepage.time.com/2008/04/15/obama-we-need-someone-who-wont-choke-on-the-word-union/

  451. well those mayors will help the gotv. wow, this is fantastic.

    She’s gonna win and win big. Regardless of what the msm is trying to spin .. people don’t question what they heard out of his own mouth.

  452. Texan, I still don’t get why you said that about the ad because that’s exactly what Hill went ater in that ad.

  453. is anyone else having problems getting on hillaryclinton.com ?- and then on IE when I type in hillaryclinton.com in the browser, it directs me to search, but not to her page. everything else (incl. barackobama.com) comes up fine.

  454. oBAMA’S “Bitter” Defense now part of his Stump

    And today at a speech to union members in Washington, Obama strayed from his prepared remarks to address the anger and bitterness he’s seen in American voters. “There’s been a lot of fuss over the last couple of days because I said that people were bitter. People seemed to misunderstand what that means” he said. “Yes people are angry. If you’ve been filling up your gas tank you’re angry. If you’ve watched your entire community decimated because a steel plant has closed, that’ll make you mad. You’ve got to feel some frustration. You’ve got to feel some anger, when you get a sense that the American way of life for so many people feels like it’s slipping away.”

    “But just because you’re mad, just because it seems like nobody’s listening to ordinary Americans, that’s not a reason to give up hope. You get mad, and then you decide you’re gonna change it. If you’re not angry about something, then you’re gonna sit back and let it happen to you. But if you’re only angry, and you don’t feel hopeful, then you’re not gonna get the energy to change it.”

    Obama said that just like most Americans, he’s mad himself, but remains hopeful. “I know how hard things are. I know how frustrated people are. And if anybody denies that people are frustrated and angry, and yes sometimes bitter, then they are out of touch. They’re ignoring the truth of what’s been happening in our communities for far too long. People feel like nobody’s looking out for them.”

    Obama has now mentioned the controversy over his comments at every stop since they came to light on Friday. But he doesn’t always talk about the most controversial segment — his claim that voters turn to God and guns because they’re bitter. The Illinois Senator claims that he misspoke, saying he regrets if people were offended by his choice of words.

    Clinton spokesman Phil Singer says members of the Obama campaign “are trying to recast what Senator Obama said and focus on the least controversial elements.”

    Senior Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan says “Senator Obama has addressed his comments fully, honestly and repeatedly, and Senator Clinton the Clinton campaign know that,” calling Singer’s response “a perfect example of the type of played-out political games that have left Americans frustrated with their leaders and yearning for change.”

    embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/15/obamas-bitter-defense-now-part-of-his-stump/
    *****************************************************
    I’m NOW going to call Obama Clueless because even I know this defense is compounding is problems by talking down to “ordinary Americans.”

    Obama is talking “at” the voters instead of “to” them.

    I think Obama is having his “Let them eat cake” moment and you know what happened to Marie Antoinette.

  455. i just meant it may tke more-our party leaders are koolaide drinkers. they are not fighters or winners for the most part. im sure the public would love bambi after elarning his buddy ayers tried to blow up the pentagon or his friend khalidi helped fund arafat or that obama was at parties with ew haters preaching down with israel. i hope this stuff can et out-i dont care how. our country comes first

  456. Ininla,

    I’ve heard several reports over the past few days about posters having problems with IE.

    Those who have firefox (like me) don’t seem to have problems.

    Maybe the axelrod astroturfing is targeted at IE users?

  457. from the NYT…

    WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain threw himself into the culture war between Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday. He said at a gathering of news executives that comments by Mr. Obama about working-class voters were “elitist” and a “fundamental contradiction of what I believe America’s all about.”

  458. Just as I predicted,The MSM has not made mention of the testimony at theREZKO trial >Barack HUSSEIN OBAMA is now legally involved in the court records and there is no legal risk if it is made public.Legality never mattered to the MEDIA in their persecution of the CLINTON FAMILY.They have to protect their bait BHO for the GOP to grind up and spit out in the GE.Sorry Guys,It will not happen as you hope.Hillary will be the the DEM,s Choice. OBAMA will start a new party of all Black followers to fulfill his dreams of being the Second Coming of MLK. One day he might be ready for the job he so desperatly wants,but I doubt that he can wait that long,REZKO is in his future.

    by ABM90

  459. Does anyone have the copy of the transcript of the SF remarks (referred to by Rove) that dissed Montana & Idaho??
    Would be helpful for us to have when blogging Montana ;-}
    if anybody’s got it…

  460. ABM, please do not say that. His strongest support is from white, male elites. AA’s are loyal Dem’s.

  461. sorry spega, don’t have that transcript – but have this partial one from Lou Dobbs – was posted at TM:

    (it’d be funny if Lou and other started calling for Obama to drop out and that he can’t win the General Election, and suddenly the Obamabots and in-the-tank pundits, start chanting, let the people vote):

    Partial Transcript from Lou Dobbs 4/14/08:

    RICHBURG: We’ll have to wait and see in Pennsylvania if it’s a real game changer or not open perhaps down the end further down the road —

    DOBBS: I don’t think we have to wait and see. Because I was having this discussion with Dana Bash a moment ago. We don’t have to wait and see.

    RICHBURG: We have to wait until voters vote.

    DOBBS: We have the opportunity to wait and see how people in Pennsylvania want to vote.

    RICHBURG: Exactly.

    DOBBS: Something that’s denied us in the great state of Michigan and the state of Florida by the great elitists who have conspired against millions of Democratic voters and the national media is covering it like a bunch of folks caught in a rope a dope.
    __________________________________

    DOBBS: Should he hang it up?

    SMITH: No. He’s on track to win.

    DOBBS: He could not possibly win if what you said is true. He cannot win if what you said is true. That is, if white women are going to vote for a white woman, if a — if blacks are going to vote for him, if John McCain is going to be the white guy in this thing, he loses. Barack Obama loses.

    SMITH: Truest in the rural parts of America for better or worse are the ones we’re talking about.

    RICHBURG: He could end up having trouble, he is having trouble with the white working class vote. He’s been getting the elite, well educated, white vote. He’s been getting 90 percent of the black vote. He’s been getting the young vote in people under 25. Where he’s having trouble is that blue-collar union vote, Pennsylvania, people from Michigan, Ohio, parts of Texas.

    ZIMMERMAN: I think the issue is much deeper that.

    DOBBS: Well, I hope so, because frankly, if it’s that simple it’s over. In point of fact, if what you say is true numerically, Hillary Clinton is president of the United States.

    RICHBURG: She can’t get the nomination.

    DOBBS: Why?

    RICHBURG: Mathematically it’s against her. She’s in a very deep hole that she’s in, unless the superdelegates —

    DOBBS: The next default is straightforwardly then John McCain is president of the United States. Because there is no way if what you’re saying is the case. But Barack Obama did not get here with that being the instance. SMITH: You know, he did get here having a lot of trouble all along with rural, even states he won, like Missouri, he lost all the rural counties so, you know, he could multiple — there are lots of different groups within these different groups.

    ZIMMERMAN: But we’re focusing on the groups and we’re not addressing the issues and that’s really what’s defining the election.
    Tvlcrazy | 04.15.2008 – 3:02 pm | #

  462. hamas leader endorses obama-
    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/15/nine-out-of-ten-terrorists-love-them-some-obama/#more-2183

  463. ZIMMERMAN: But we’re focusing on the groups and we’re not addressing the issues and that’s really what’s defining the election.

    That is 100% NOT what is defining this election. Get this guy a hopium patch.

  464. Basil9

    ROTFLMAO!!!!

    No, He’ll say let them eat Rice-A-Roni. Hoping to relate to ordinary Americans.

  465. I just read over at the DNC PB that Obama is trying not to let the Elpaso delegates be seated. He apparently believes that there were problems at the county conventions in El Paso, Texas. I wonder if anyone else has heard this?

  466. admin, a question:

    Last night, around 10pm, I got this weird message from this web site, kicking me off and saying that I had “exceeded my CPU quota”, or that maybe my Java script was disabled. I couldn’t get on for like 15 minutes. Did others get kicked off too?

    Was it just crappy software, or something more sinister (Obamabots doing a Denial of Service attack). This happened to me a few weeks ago also.

  467. i have used yahoo as my primary email account, home page and search engine since the 90’s. I need a referral to a better unbiased any suggestions?

  468. Hehehehehe.

    ANOTHER Big Obama fundraiser hits the news.

    Jody Evans: Code Pink, Earth Liberation Front (one of the top US terrorist Groups) and Chavez supporter and Saddam Huseein apologist.

    Hannity is hitting it today.

    rendevouswithdestiny.blogspot.com/2008/04/hugo-chavez-fan-is-major-donor-of-obama.html

  469. Nice job on new McCain ad by David Brock (Media Matters) from new 3rd party dem group called Progressive media USA.

    It’s over at Crooksandliars.

  470. rgb,

    I get those messages too. It’s usually when Admin is updating a page or starting a new thread or embedding a video or something else that takes a lot of memory (or whatever the technical term is).

  471. rgbhrc44, I got the same exact message, it has happened to me twice, I can’t figure it out! I also use Yahoo and somethine Google>

  472. Someone on TM said that in the past month, Hillary has picked up 15 superdelegates to Obama’s 5. Is this true?

    Of course, the press won’t report this.

  473. confloyd I’m not surprised, Obama is a stupid ass fool.

    The Democrats need these voters in the G.E. and with Latinos if you hurt one of them you hurt all of them…they will get on their spainish media and push McCain treating them with respect and that Obama taking their votes away.

    Our weak Democratic Leaders have so drunk the Obama kool-aid they don’t see the harm Obama is doing to the party credibility. Latinos will vote for McCain…this theory that if you voted in the primary you wil be more likely to vote in the general.

  474. I have been wondering what they were going to do with these caucass’s in Texas because of the intimidation and ect. I wonder if they are trying to knock out some of these! They should many were against the rules.

  475. Carby- Here’s a song to the assholes at the DNC and in 👿 ‘s campaign: youtube.com/watch?v=Gs37NSLy3z4

    We’re Not Gonna Take It Lyrics

    Oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore

    we’ve Got The Right To Choose And
    there Ain’t No Way We’ll Lose It
    this Is Our Life, This Is Our Song
    we’ll Fight The Powers That Be Just
    don’t Pick Our Destiny ’cause
    you Don’t Know Us, You Don’t Belong

    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore

    oh You’re So Condescending
    your Gall Is Never Ending
    we Don’t Want Nothin’, Not A Thing From You
    your Life Is Trite And Jaded
    boring And Confiscated
    if That’s Your Best, Your Best Won’t Do

    oh…………………
    oh…………………
    we’re Right/yeah
    we’re Free/yeah
    we’ll Fight/yeah
    you’ll See/yeah

    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore

    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    oh We’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore
    no Way!

    oh…………………
    oh…………………
    we’re Right/yeah
    we’re Free/yeah
    we’ll Fight/yeah
    you’ll See/yeah

    we’re Not Gonna Take It
    no, We Ain’t Gonna Take It
    we’re Not Gonna Take It Anymore

  476. texan4hillary and all,

    I would like to ask that if you post a link, to identify it if it is a probama article and also give a brief description so I can choose whether to open it or not.

    Every time I click on a probama article it validates their story as if I’m interested.
    Sorry I absolutely dislike BHO and really don’t want to do him the least favor, but I do want to learn what is happeneing.

    I’ll try to do the same.

  477. Carbynew, I just hope this Obama revolution can be stopped, because there is no way he should be the leader of the free world with his ties to Hamas, Ayers, Rezko and many others. What I can’t believe is the leaders of our party believing in this SOB. That is what I find difficult to believe!

  478. About the Frank comments from a poster at TM:

    Just a thought — if you hear Hillary supers like Barney Frank coming out and saying that the “winner” should be decided by June don’t immediately get all mad. They may be doing that because new math shows that Hillary will be the winner and they want to set BO supporters up for having to support Hillary and unifying the party.

    Everyone has just bought into this argument that Hillary can’t win…but, it’s false. As Boohall showed, if you include FL and MI (which everyone knows have to be included) then Hillary is behind by 8 delegates or something. She’ll beat him in most of the remaining contests and will be ahead at the end of it all.

    Basically, I think that Frank and others will try to setup the argument now when BO supporters think that “Hillary can’t win” so that they are in a weak position when it comes to “taking it to the convention.”

    ann | Homepage | 04.15.2008 – 2:46 pm | #

  479. confloyd, that is why I no longer recognize this party. that is why I would have no qualm about voting outside the party if he is the nominee. the ELITES of this party are not FOR US .. they are for themselves and the Soros of the world. It’s their plan and we don’t have to be part of it.

    The party is putting too much into the fact that they think many people will just roll over and go with their flow. People are watching and listening and the sd’s should snap out of it and step up.

    If they succeed in railroading the best President in my lifetime, erase his legacy with lie after lie, continue to debase Hillary, I will not forget and neither will my finger come November and beyond.

  480. Obama’s small-town putdown ‘offensive’ in W.Va.
    Mannix Porterfield
    Register-Herald Reporter

    Barack Obama’s portrayal of small-town Americans as gun-slinging, Bible-clinging losers proves the Democratic presidential hopeful is “out of touch with the Heartland,” says Oak Hill Mayor Bill Hannabass.

    Obama told a fundraiser in San Francisco, Calif., during the weekend that small towns are filled with out-of-work residents who turn to guns and the Scriptures as their only solace in economic downturns, and vent their frustrations against immigrants.

    His remarks clearly struck a nerve in West Virginia, comprised largely of small towns, such as Oak Hill, population 7,600.

    “I’m appalled by him,” Hannabass said Monday. “I think that characterizes the fact he is out of touch with West Virginia, and many other states — the Heartland of America. It was another typical statement by Barack Obama.”

    Without elaborating, Hannabass said the Illinois senator has made other outlandish remarks on the campaign trail, so the latest one came as no real shock to him.

    “I knew well before this what his mindset was,” the mayor said.

    Hannabass said Obama’s image has been limited to three-second sound bytes, “which, on purpose, don’t say much.”

    Like many mayors in southern West Virginia, he found the senator’s put-down of small-town residents was offensive.

    Referring to small-town residents who have been victimized in the economic downturn, Obama remarked, “… it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    “I would characterize the citizens of Oak Hill as law-abiding citizens,” Hannabass said. “Frankly, many of them do own guns and are responsible gun owners, like most gun owners are. We obviously live in a rural state. Frankly, we make less of a carbon footprint than most of Barack Obama’s contemporaries. I think that, generally, small-town America is much more giving, much more honest than your typical metropolitan areas are. I would take small-town America over residing in New York City or the Washington Beltway or any other metropolitan area.”

    A national telephone poll by Rasmussen Reports found that 56 percent of American voters disagreed with Obama’s remarks about small towns.

    The poll showed 46 percent of liberals agreed with the senator, while 51 percent of moderates disagreed, and 74 percent of conservatives felt he was off base.

    Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., locked in a dogfight with Obama for the Democratic nomination, blasted her rival’s remarks about small-town Americans as both elitist and divisive.

    Williamstown Mayor Jean Ford found Obama’s remarks “offensive” and an affront to the everyday faith of her constituents.

    “If Sen. Obama came to Williamstown, he would find hard-working people doing everything they can to make a better life for their families, despite a slowing economy, a difficult war, and a broken health care system,” she said in a statement released by the Clinton campaign in West Virginia.

    “We need a president who will find real solutions to these tough challenges and help small towns get ahead, not one that puts down people for their faith or their values.”

    One mayor not offended by the senator’s rhetoric was Beckley’s Emmett Pugh, who interpreted the remarks in a different light, basically, that folks in small towns simply have lost faith in Washington politics.

    “That’s how I took it,” he said. “I may be in the minority there. I think that’s kind of true.

    “I do think people have lost faith in government, and not just on the national level, but I think to some extent on the state and local level, too. I was really not offended by what he said. I can see the other side, where some people would take it a little bit different way, and I certainly empathize with that, and understand where they’re coming from. I kind of just took it in the grand scheme of things. People are just not real happy at the local level with what’s going on in Washington.”

    Pugh said the Washington environment is rife with partisan politics.

    “Somebody’s just got to get it right before long,” the Beckley mayor said. “We need to fix what’s wrong with the country. That’s the bottom line. It doesn’t matter whether you’re a Democrat or a Republican.”

    Hinton Mayor Cleo Mathews found Obama’s remarks about the faith of small-town America troubling.

    “It was not as much offense as a feeling he doesn’t quite understand us,” she said of his overall statement. “Particularly the part about religion. Our community, rural America, is religious during good times and bad, because it’s such a part of their lives, trying to do what’s right. Their spirituality is just a function of who we are in rural America.”

    Mathews acknowledged the economic decline in some small towns but said her town is working 24 hours a day to come on board with the newer, technology-based economies while celebrating Hinton’s past, the once-bustling railroad industry.

    “From my perspective, our religion is a very central part of our lives, during good times and bad,” Mathews said.

    Obama’s scorn of gun owners likewise didn’t sit well with the mayor, who pointed out that firearms are a part of a hunting culture that has been a staple in her region.

    “We live in a rural area and that is a very significant form of recreation just because of where we live,” she said. “Whereas, in a larger metropolitan area, people would pursue perhaps a different form of recreation. I guess it was more not understanding us. We’re certainly trying to revitalize our economy but in the process we have to redefine them. Things have just changed. We understand all that. We don’t have more jobs for young people, but we are working on them. We’re all trying, very hard.”

    http://www.register-herald.com/local/local_story_105221505.html

  481. mark halprin @ the page has front and center a photo of SNOB ……..

    are you ready for this one???

    are you sitting down????

    are you sure??

    SNOB was wearing a …………………FLAG PIN !!!!!

    Me thinks SNOB is REALLLLLLLLLLLLY WORRIED NOW !!!!

  482. attempting to get away from yahoo which i have used forever i found this website
    http://www.goodsearch.com/
    search engines make money every time you look for something i have been using yahoo BIT ACCORDING TO THIS SITE IF YOU USE THEM YOU CAN ACTUALLY NAME YOUR CHARITY

  483. I kinda like the quip about making a “smaller carbon footprint” than 👿 ‘s buddies.

    Teehee.

  484. dot48, mine either! The way this guy gets out of everything that has in the past sunk other candidates is what is so amazing! This man is truly the teflon man.
    I thought last evening when I heard Tweety was running for office, I thought, well there you go, Obama is paving his way into office. There’s the payoff for the positive press!

  485. hmm, must be something else getting ready to hit .. he trying to be all patriotic now. He’s so vain