Bitter Faith, Bitter Politics

Big Media in the form of CNN will try to rehabilitate Obama tonight at the Faith and Politics Forum.

Faith and Politics
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama face the hard questions on faith and politics.
8 p.m. ET, Sunday

There is also a good article on Politico about what we have been writing all along – Obama is an unvetted disaster of a candidate who will bring electoral defeat in November:

She and Bill Clinton both devoutly believe that Obama’s likely victory is a disaster-in-waiting. Naive Democrats just don’t see it. And a timid, pro-Obama press corps, in their view, won’t tell the story. [snip]

In fact, the Democratic race has not been especially rough by historical standards. What’s more, our conversations with Democrats who speak to the Clintons make plain that their public comments are only the palest version of what they really believe: that if Obama is the nominee, a likely Democratic victory would turn to a near-certain defeat.

Far from a no-holds-barred affair, the Democratic contest has been an exercise in self-censorship.

Rip off the duct tape and here is what they would say: Obama has serious problems with Jewish voters (goodbye Florida), working-class whites (goodbye Ohio) and Hispanics (goodbye, New Mexico).

Republicans will also ruthlessly exploit openings that Clinton — in the genteel confines of an intraparty contest — never could. Top targets: Obama’s radioactive personal associations, his liberal ideology, his exotic life story, his coolly academic and elitist style.

This view has been an article of faith among Clinton advisers for months, but it got powerful new affirmation last week with Obama’s clumsy ruminations about why “bitter” small-town voters turn to guns and God. [snip]

Skepticism about Obama’s general election prospects extends beyond Clinton backers. We spoke to unaffiliated Democratic lawmakers, veteran lobbyists, and campaign operatives who believe the rush of enthusiasm for Obama’s charisma and fresh face has inhibited sober appraisals of his potential weaknesses.

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775 thoughts on “Bitter Faith, Bitter Politics

  1. The words out of Campbell Brown’s mouth could’ve been uttered by BO himself. “You attacked him pretty hard today… is it a political ploy… BO says, ‘shame on you.'”

  2. filbertsf Says: The words out of Campbell Brown’s mouth could’ve been uttered by BO himself. “You attacked him pretty hard today… is it a political ploy… BO says, ’shame on you.’”

    This is so biased. And they had her go first so he could respond to whatever she said. When we look back to this nomination process in the future, everyone will see it as the most embarassingly biased campaign in modern history.

  3. OK. i”m a coward. i cannot watch these programs, but did CB really say O’Bitta says shame on you?????????

  4. I think that the liberal media is trying to pick a “winner” much as Fox news was able to pick the winner of the past two elections. Unfortunately, if they are successful at helping Obama win the democratic nomination, they only succeeded in losing the elections yet again for the democratic party. Obama CAN’T WIN in the GE!

  5. this is the most disgusting comment from an Obamatron I’ve found yet that shows the mentality of most Obama supporters:

    “Clinton and all of your pseudo-left wing supporters (that somehow manage to accommodate free trade), the Democratic party is done with you. Better switch to the other party now.

    Us young kids are kicking you hypocrites out. Goodbye. Say hello to the new America”

  6. she was basil prepared she look at his notebook hers too..and i know she thought ok im prepared.
    she got her thinkin cap on lmao..good for Hillary..

  7. actually guys, hillary won the dice thing and CHOSE to go first. Which is the smartest in this type of forum. That means she speaks first and is remembered first and is the first thing people listen to when they tune in. + they’re questioned separately, no>?

  8. She should’ve asked Brown if Axelrod wrote that question for her!!!

    She was typical Hill, which is to say classy, she said BO will have to answer for himself.
    Then she went on to rip him as far as saying democrats have had to deal with being out of touch with so-called values voters, specifically citing 2000 & 2004 (though she did be sure and say Gore & Kerry were good men.)

  9. CB did say that BO said today, “shame on you” (for turning this into a political issue. CB asked if Hillary is doubting that BO is truly a man of faith. HRC said that BO can speak for himself and that she’s here to speak for herself.

    HRC then said these comments are a political issue b/c two men of faith ran in 2000 and 2004 lost b/c people didn’t share their world view (again, paraphrasing).

  10. I can not stand Campbell Brown. It is obvious she has contempt for Hillary. Like I said before, her comments could’ve come out of BO’s mouth.

    I wonder if she’ll ask Obama what his favorite ice cream flavor is…

  11. btw guys, Alicia Keys hates white people too. From this article:

    “Keys, 27, said she’s read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck “to symbolize strength, power and killing ’em dead,” according to an interview in the magazine’s May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.

    Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled “by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing.””

    ^^ WTF? The gov killed TUpac and Biggie cuz they were black? X_x RIGHT………… UGH

    ^^

  12. OK.

    Thanks all you eye-witness reporters.
    Maybe I’ll be able to watch the re-broadcast but I can’t stand that CB. She’s a nasty ambitious bytch.

    Besides, I think Hannity has an expose about Ayers tonight, or something O’Bitta related and I’m gonna tune in to that in a bit.

    👿

  13. filbertsf Says:
    April 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    I wonder if she’ll ask Obama what his favorite ice cream flavor is…

    Or what his favorite color is. BO reminds me of Gilderoy in HARRY POTTER, one big phoney!

  14. basil and others,

    I’d like to comment more in local papers but I have trouble navigating around there. When you’re in a good thread, could you email me a link direct to the comment form?

    1950democrat/at/gmail.com

  15. You know Obama will take 30 minutes answering his first question about small town gate and campbell will just let him go on and on and on like he is the energizer bunny.

  16. Obama is more like Voldemort, with all his cult-like supporters and dark magic…when in reality, he fears very simple things 🙂

    Voldemort was a paranoid power-hungry douche too 🙂 kinda like Barack 😀

    and Hillary is like Dumbledore/Harry mixed together 😀

  17. mjs, you do know Alicia Keyes supports our gal, right? (she hasn’t come out and endorsed yet, but she did a music video in homage to Hill. Find it on YouTube.

  18. filbert I just checked and got this:

    “I do not own any of the image and music, nor has Alicia Keys publicly endorsed any candidate or Hillary Clinton (to my knowledge)”

    ^^ on the superwoman video.

    She hasn’t endorsed Hillary, though she has a song about SUper WOman

  19. This is the full article on Alicia Keys:

    NEW YORK — There’s another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.

    The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: “‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. ‘Gangsta rap’ didn’t exist.”

    Keys, 27, said she’s read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck “to symbolize strength, power and killing ’em dead,” according to an interview in the magazine’s May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.

    Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled “by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing.”

    Keys’ AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: “She wears what? That doesn’t sound like Alicia.” Keys’ publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.

    Though she’s known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton “had the outlets our musicians have today, it’d be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself,” she said.

    The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits “Fallin”‘ and “No One” most recently had success with her latest CD, “As I Am,” which sold millions.

  20. At least Hillary has the ministers in the audience nodding in agreement with her. Time to fix a drink the Messiah is making his entrance.

  21. 1950dem,

    I’ve written all PA newspapers but it was a PITA. I have the links but they’re mostly websites and you have to go to the site and then look for the letters to the editor section and some papers don’t have email. It’s tedious and time consuming. I think the list I have is the same one you’ve probably got but I’ll recheck tomorrow and send it to you.

    The biggest problem I’m having with the letter writing and blogging is that things change so fast that what ‘s relevant today may be old news by tomorrow. 🙁

  22. seemed that way to me too, and i thought bringing him our before hillary was off stage and then not giving her a proper good bye was in bad taste

    and CB with her ear piece……….what was that all about??

  23. I was watching Star Wars….

    Obama – Emperor of the Dark Side
    Darth Vader – represents the Obamabots
    Rebel Force – Hillary’s base
    Leia – Hillary

  24. I can’t bear to watch Obitter talk either. I’m sure the BO noisemakers in the audience include John King, Candy Crowley, and Jack “CNN renewed my contract; I could care less what you think” Cafferty.

  25. i want to see Campbell be competent FOR ONCE and ask the right questions on Wright and “cling to religion”

  26. omg on and on and on turn thetv..that drift shit is audacityof onnonnon..he doesnt believe in god..oh got him..his faith is what..oh hes stumbling

  27. he didnt reduce teenage pregnancy..liar liar!!!!
    he hasnt even voted on any of this stuff ,,he hasnt done crap

  28. Obama is speaking now.

    But, I’m tuning into Hannity – they deserve the ratings. Campbell “I’ve been diagnosed with Obamamania” Brown and CNN can go F themselves.

  29. mjs,

    Hillary is Hermione! She always knows the answer and saves the day!

    Dumbledore is Big Dawg. 🙂 Wise and cool.

    Brazile is Doris whosis, the one who gets the rules to say whatever she wants.

  30. HANNITY investigates O’Bitta’s relationship to notorious terrorist William Ayers.

    The next volume in the real Barack obama series. hehehehe

  31. That bitch should just come out and say “Obama, I’m in love with you”! Hillary didn’t call him an elitist, Campbell Brown is just trying to start things. She said his comments were.

  32. 1950, u mean Delores Umbrigde? 😀 and that’s really good actually! 😀 Brazille does kinda look like a control-freak/broad toad. 🙂

    Obama is like a mix of Gilderoy Lockhart and Voldemort. Like a Voldemort who after you unmask him, turns out to be a deformed cat or something…:D

    Kerry and Kennedy embody Peter Pettigrew 😀 that timid rat/boy who threw the Potters under the proverbial bus and turned into an incompetent spy for Voldemort

    And Dean? 😀 Dean’s kinda like a a soul-sucking, vote taking, empty minded dementor 😀

  33. jr, lol. she did. She said the statements fed into the stereotypes that Dems are elitists. It is what it is. BO is acting like an elitist.

  34. basil9 Says:
    April 13th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
    1950dem,
    I’ve written all PA newspapers but it was a PITA. I have the links but they’re mostly websites and you have to go to the site and then look for the letters to the editor section and some papers don’t have email. It’s tedious and time consuming. I think the list I have is the same one you’ve probably got but I’ll recheck tomorrow and send it to you.

    Sounds like my problem. I think that’s why Spega lets a person stick with the same paper week after week, so as not to have to learn their way around a new paper.

    I just wish people already doing it would email me links straight to the current comment form for the string they’re commenting on, so I could chime in with them. Like h t t p : / / hillaryresponders.com/ does.

  35. I put hannity’s America on, bambi was getting on my nerves. Every answer is about him. Hillary on the other hand her answers dealt with others and the community for the most part.

  36. read this somewhere, what do you think?

    “I read on the AOL blogs that there is more audio from this event that BO made his condesending remarks. There is claim that the guest were lauging and then Obama made another comment. That comment being ” when people tell me they are tired of the racial discord of the election, I tell them to try slavery sometime”. Can anyone tell me if this is true. If it is, it makes you wonder who really has stirred the race issue and he has major problem’s with people in this country. I know in SC, the BO team really drove the race issue.

    I think this is very important, just want to know if anyone else has heard this and their thoughts.”

  37. i turn it i cant watch him..hes a nutt..that stumbling stutter stuff he does man it confuses me..uhh duh uhh duhh!!!that that that

  38. um…Why the hell is Obama telling people to try slavery? It’s not like HE was ever a part of it. His mom’s side of the family owned slaves and his dad came straight from Africa. He has nothing to do with slavery. Why is he exploiting it?

  39. rjk .. that is stand BO and MO .. it is about THEM…nobody else matters. They don’t care who they stomp on to try to get in the white house. They make me sick. Both of them!

    BO & MO MUST GO!!!

  40. Voldemort is Cheney. Bush is wormtail. Michelle Obama is Bellatrix; and BO is Brazile is Umbridge; and BO is Gilderoy Lockhart

    Hillary is of course, Hermione/Dumbledore

  41. no doubt Obama has a problem with Jewish voters – the UCC tends to sympathize with the Palestine issue

  42. i hope those stupid rich people would do something good and hand over any tapes to either Fox News or the mcCain/Clinton camps. This is stuff that should let the public know about the REAL Obama BEHIND closed doors.

  43. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    April 13th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
    read this somewhere, what do you think?
    “I read on the AOL blogs that there is more audio from this event that BO made his condesending remarks.

    Keep checking taylormarsh.com, especially “Hot Topics.” A lot of links are already there to audio and video clips and to photographs of the event.

    If that about ‘clinging to guns, religion, and antipathy’ was a joke with laughter — that makes a difference!

  44. mj5 – isn’t interesting that JW claims, in one of his sermons, Obama came from a single parent household – another lie – and the AA’s believe this crap

  45. Disgusting. After almost every question, the audience is clapping for Obama’s…non answers. If he said I’m a strong evangelical but on the other hand I’m a strong athiest…and his answers are just about like that…the audience would clap and clap. OH! HELP!

  46. Hillary seriously needs to find that video with the laughing San fransicans and barricade every single Pennsylvannia, North Carolina, and indiana Channel with that stuff.

  47. fdrjim, i don’t mind them saying he was raised in a single parent family. What I mind is them saying he grew up in poverty and all that crap. RIGHT. Or should i say “WRIGHT!”….I don’t know of many IMPOVERISHED people that go to private schools since 1st grade and then attend Harvard, even while traveling the world as Bambi apparently did.

    Wright is an idiot, as are the people lapping this up.

  48. 1950dem,

    I’m usually in a rush when I’m doing the blogging and after writing the letter and getting to the main site and searching for the opinions department and finding out who to address the letter to (if any) I just paste the letter and then get back to the master list coz I usually have a minimum of at least 12 contacts at a time. The emails are not saved in my outlook express box (maybe coz I have the wrong default mailbox?) and after I’ve clicked the submit button all I get, if I’m lucky, is a your email has been sent message.
    I do try to keep track of who I’ve contacted in a notebook . . . . and since I go alphabetically down the list it will help point to sites that didn’t have accessible contacts as they’re not on my list and if you compare mine names with those on the original list . . . whew . . . this is hard work 👿

    .

  49. CNN is NOT helping Obama in fact if they knew how much they are helping Hillary Clinton Campaign they would stop babying his grown man.

    They make him look weak with all these softball questions in a very friendly enviorment. The Repugs are going to have a field day with this guy because he has never had to work hard in front of a cynical crowd. He never had to do want Hillary Clinton had to do…FIGHT and continue to STAND when everyone is trying to throw you off the bus.

  50. 1950, Dean reminds me of the former head of the Ministry of Magic, Cornelius Fudge. Incompetent and incapable baffoon. Now that I think of it, that applies to Bush also.

    The Daily Prophet can represent all the MSM and Rita Skeeter is MoDo

  51. I really think that Obama will not be the nominee. I know it sounds stupid, but the psychics predicted Obama will have luck, but will ultimately meet downfall when the Public starts learning more about who he is and what he really thinks….which is exactly what is in the process of happening right now.

  52. justme,
    Apparently there is also video tape of the event as there were over 100 videotapers there.. I’m looking forward toi seeing that.

    G’nite all

  53. He is actually revealing without saying it explicitly (he said he went to public school) that he went to Islamic school…he knows it is coming out even though he has denied it in the past.

  54. Islam was very tolerant and taught that way when he was in school in Indonesia according to Obama. Islam can be compatible with other religions. Susupicous with attemps to paint Islam with a broad brush he says.

  55. what is campbell Browns e-mail address. On Hillarys blog they are talking about how rude Campbell Brown was to Hillary. When O was introduced.

    I want to e-mail her.

  56. Here are some FACTS about Obama’s childhood and early life:

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524,00.html
    The Story of Barack Obama’s Mother
    Scarcely a typical single mom

    h t t p : / / http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-life-storygallery,0,1773480.storygallery
    This is a great one-page index with preces to the whole long series of Chicago Tribune profiles of Obama from spring and summer 2007. Answers nearly all questions about his background and career.

  57. Obama lashes out at Clinton over her response to ‘bitter’ remarks

    STEELTON, Pennsylvania (CNN) – A visibly agitated Barack Obama accused Hillary Clinton Sunday of acting like “Annie Oakley …packin’ a six shooter” in her attempts to connect with gun wners, and used some of his most heated language to date to attack her and her campaign for heir reaction to his comments from a now infamous California fundraiser.

    “Shame on her!”he told a Steelton crowd.

    “I expected this out of John McCain,” Obama said in a voice more commanding than the his usual stump tone. “But I’ve gotta say, I’m a little disappointed when I start hearing the exact same talking points coming out of my Democratic colleague Hillary Clinton. She knows better. Shame on her.”

    At a closed-press event one week ago, Obama referred to some small-town Pennsylvanians as “bitter” people who “cling to guns and religion.”

    Clinton has since called him “out of touch” and said the Illinois senator’s remarks were “demeaning” and “elitist.”

    Obama fired back in a room of supporters at a Pennsylvania union hall.

    “She’s running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment,” he said, his voice rising. “She’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley! Hillary Clinton’s out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday, [like] she’s packin’ a six shooter! C’mon! She knows better.”

    “That’s some politics being played by Hillary Clinton,” he added. “When Hillary Clinton says I’m out of touch I just have to remind people of the track record.” He then went on to attack her for “campaigning for NAFTA” for “a decade” during her husband’s administration.

    “This is the same person who says she’s voting for the Colombia trade deal. [It] turns out that her top adviser, her top strategist was working for the Colombian government to get the bill passed!”

    “Who do you think is out of touch?” he shouted. The room erupted with people shouting Clinton’s name and even one “‘what’s her name’ is!”

    Obama’s comments came just a short time after the two Democratic opponents shared a tarmac as they landed in Harrisburg and exited their planes almost simultaneously and only minutes before the pair were to take part in CNN’s Compassion Forum.

    – CNN Political Producer Chris Welch

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

    barry sounds like this one has him worried……

  58. Wouldn’t it have been fair and a means of comparison if they had asked Hillary and Obama the SAME questions rather than giving her the dry, hard questions and BO the soft ball ones.

    Will you cut poverty in to years..why didn’t they ask her that?

    Once again the audience is finding every chance to clap and cheer for HIM. NO MATTER HOW HE ANSWERS. They even clapped when he spoke favorably for Rev. Wright a few minutes ago.

  59. Oh, RIGHT about the Daily Prophet and Rita Skeeter! They were trying to make out that Harry was a liar, that he always made things up.

    That’s what the media did to Gore — I haven’t checked the dates, but I bet Rowling was writing this about that time. Now they’re trying to do it to Hillary and Bill.

  60. Will you cut poverty in to years..why didn’t they ask her that?

    They didn’t ask her about poverty? She’s called for a poverty Czar???

  61. Obama said that?????

    👿

    I HOPE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA GOES AND CHOKES ON A COCK TONIGHT. HE’LL HAVE 3 CHOICES, JOHN KENNEDY’S, LARRY SINCLAIR’S OR MICHELLE OBAMA’S.

  62. Think of this Faith Forum as a warm-up. On Wednesday, that’s when the real fight begins. Obama won’t be able to just talk and talk without someone (Hillary) countering his lies and BS.

  63. CB married the wart monger Dan Senor so she should shut the f….up!!!! Also, amazing how all these strong women like Pelosi, Oprah, and the anchors aa turned they back on the strongest one of all…jealous friggin wannabees-every single one of them,

  64. What kind of questions did they ask Hillary, its seems they ask him questions so as to make it possible to down play his latest gaffe!

  65. This is why i said earlier today that I wished small town gate had not broken until tuesday or wednesday. Obama will use all this extra time to talk and talk and talk his way out of it.

  66. not only did they soft ball him, i sure didn’t hear the “god” questions that hillary got……..wasn’t this supposed to be about faith not stump speech talking points?

    and they also gave him 15 more minutes than hillary! t his was such BS!!

  67. Now Huffingtonpost has dug up some old quote of Bill’s from 1991 that they say sounds like Obama’s. I do not see but BM will try and play it that way.

  68. mj, why would Campbell ask Hillary any question that she could really answer and tell all of her policy ideas? That would give Hillary too much of a chance.

    BO talks out of both sides of his mouth with out it seeming like that so that people think he is on their side no matter what he says.

    He is one slick, slimy politician! Are people that blind? Who is in the crowd? To be allowed entrance to the event, they surely must have had a table with cups of Kool-Aid that was a requirement to go in be seated!

    Candy Crowley is putting down AL GORE…saying she couldn’t not imagine him at a forum like this back when he was running.
    Of course the pundits are all saying BO did much better than Hillary.

  69. The discrepancy between CNN’s treatment of Hillary and Obama is so blatant and ridiculous. It’s like they’re shouting: CNN endorses Obama!

  70. I am wondering why is she even having these forums/debates anymore with BO…the pundits alway say he wins….

  71. CA did their delegate selections today, and the Congress woman representing my district -is African American. She’s a Hillary supporters and said that she’s gotten some sort of physical threat…

  72. This is nuts. He’s goes to a radical church for 20 years. She was a lay minister in Arkansas. CNN is disgusting.

  73. Come to think of it… if national, state, and local newspapers can endorse candidates, do you think in the near future, network news will do the same?

    I mean, most are practically doing that already. Maybe not in words, but definitely in practice.

  74. people are not stupid, those who watch the cable news know what we know…….it’s like a zit on the tip of the nose

  75. I hope how they treat Hillary would anger more women and moderates to come out to vote for her, just like in NH. No matter what she is the former first lady. Give her some respect those f*ing morons.

  76. i kinda want to reach through my TV screen and slap Obama for all good working class Americans everywhere.

  77. confloyd

    I noticed that too, i also noticed they focused more on the AA of the crowd during snubo’s segment

  78. djia – but there are some people who are misled…WE know that the audience was probably stacked to represent BO (since they were clapping at everything he said “uh” to).

    But others believe BO is just more popular based on audience reaction. I HATE CNN…at least MSNBC is more blatant, and CNN is just insidious in the way they choreograph their support for BO.

  79. btw, I hear many people who blog on Obama’s own website are part of the paid staff to keep his board active and also to post comments on major news sites.

  80. Due to space limitations and security constraints, attendance at the Forum is by invitation only. At this point, all tickets have been distributed or allocated for Messiah College students.

    To maximize the number of Messiah students sharing in the excitement of this event, the College is also simulcasting The Compassion Forum for a live “watch party” for students. Unfortunately, due to the extensive staffing demands of the Forum, the College will be unable to accommodate “watch parties” for off-campus groups or organizations.

    Others interested in hearing the candidates converse about compassion issues can watch The Compassion Forum live on television. CNN will serve as the exclusive broadcaster of The Compassion Forum and will televise and webstream it live from 8-9:30 p.m. on April 13.

  81. Where can we find out how many copies of his books have been sold since he started his presidential campaign and how much he makes per copy. BM keeps talking about the Clintons earning 100 million CB just mentioned it again. No one is talking about how much Obama has made since he started this national book tour of his (campaign)

  82. did you see the blog on hillary’s site?

    local pittsburg station “…just showed the protestants in front of BO office in Pittsburg holding the anti ‘bitter’ signs!So hopefully lots of people in PA will get the message!!!”

  83. Ininla

    I agree a certain percentage will be swayed by the stacked audiences perception of being more liked.

    but I would like to believe that after 7 years of bush that americans will “try” to make a more informed choice
    and i Hope at the end of the day, and in the voting booth i hope each of us with think about who will best full fill our own needs
    as well as those of all of us.

    I also think it was a great thing for snob-gate to come out at this time, its more time for it to filter out to lots more people
    if it had only come out a day or two before the primary the story would not have reached as many voters. I am positive there will be more after the debate, and that is more for NC to think about 😀 THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL”

  84. What does it matter how much they earned? They gave ten percent to charity and paid a huge amount in taxes. WTH are they doing???

  85. They are already saying if she doesn’t win Penn by 20% it’s a loss!!!! The big leads she had were from polls months ago….when he wins any non relevant state by any margin, it is a “clear” vixtory…..The media will not allow her to win regardless of the outcome. They have a story vested withthis guy and will protect him at all cost. All Hillary needs to do is win Penn by 7-10% and get the popular vote turned around…that will allow the SD’s an escape from BO. Sadly, way toomuch time b/t TX/Ohio ans Penn….any politician would have closed the gap, let alone , a liar like BO who has the media as his cheer leaders….If they nominate this guy, it is simply incredible as he would have lost NY, CA, PA, NJ, MA, Ohio, Fl(count it or not, he has and would lose big here), NM(scum bag Richardson), while he has one a dozen or more red states which mean nothing!!!! This is a freakin outrage!!!Richardson

  86. i hope when all is said and done, obama pays for his lies and smearing two of the best figures in American politics.

  87. Obama: ‘I’m Not Perfect’; Mocks Clinton Support for Gun Rights
    by FOXNews.com
    Sunday, April 13, 2008

    STEELTON, Pa. — Barack Obama lashed out Sunday at Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, mocking her sudden vocal support for gun rights, and saying he better understands the concerns of working class people.

    The Illinois senator has spent three days on the defensive after comments he made at a San Francisco fundraiser suggesting working class people are bitter about their economic circumstances and “cling to guns and religion” as a result. Clinton has pounded him for the remarks, calling him “elitist and divisive.”

    “Now I am the first to admit that some of the words I chose I chose badly, because as my wife reminds me, I’m not perfect. She reminds me of this frequently, and events often remind me as well,” Obama said, reiterating his regret for his choice of words.

    “So I’m not a perfect man and the words I chose, I chose badly. They were subject to misinterpretation, they were subject to be twisted, and I regret that. I regret that deeply. But. But. But. When people suggest that somehow I was demeaning religion. When I know that I’m a man of deep faith, somebody who in my own life has held on to faith, held onto my confidence in God during times of trial and tribulation, then it sounds like there’s some politics being played.

    “When people suggest I was somehow being elitist and demeaning hunters when I have repeatedly talked about the tradition that people pass on from generation to generation, hunters and sportsmen, and how I have consistently spoken about my respect for the Second Amendment. When people try to suggest that I was demeaning those traditions, then it sounds like there’s some politics being played. And what really burns me up is when people suggest that me saying that folks are mad, they are angry, they are bitter after 25, 30 years of seeing jobs shipped out, pensions not fulfilled, health care lost. The notion that people are surprised, and are suggesting that I’m out of touch because I spoke honestly about people’s frustrations, that tells me there’s some politics going on,” he said.

    He then turned the tables on Clinton — noting that she accepted campaign contributions from drug and insurance company lobbyists and mocking, among other things, her sudden fealty to the rights of gun owners.

    “She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment. She’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley,” Obama told an audience at a union hall here, invoking the famed female sharpshooter immortalized in the musical “Anne Get Your Gun.”

    Obama continued, saying “Hillary Clinton is out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday. She’s packing a six-shooter. Come on, she knows better. That’s some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. … She knows better. Shame on her. Shame on her.”

    Obama said the former first lady’s history in the White House and Senate proved she was not as sensitive to the concerns of working class voters in Pennsylvania and elsewhere as she tried to suggest. Pennsylvania’s primary is April 22.

    “I just have to remind people of the track record,” Obama said. “This is the same person who took money from financial folks on Wall Street and then voted for bankruptcy bill that makes it harder for folks right here in Pennsylvania to get a fair shake. Who do you think is out of touch?

    “This is the same person who spent a decade with her husband campaigning for NAFTA, and now goes around saying she’s opposed to NAFTA,” Obama said, referring to the North American Free Trade Agreement that is widely unpopular in blue collar communities.

    Obama also pledged that he will be a different kind of politician.

    “Every four years, we get politicians coming before you and they say the same things. They say that they’re gonna fight for you. They say they’re gonna bring all the jobs back. They say they’re gonna get health care done. They say they’re gonna make sure our trade deals are fair. You guys have been hearing that. You’ve been hearing it forever. And things haven’t changed. And of course you’re frustrated about that. Of course you’re angry about that. Of course you’re bitter about that. But here’s the good news: the good news is, that when we started this campaign we said we were gonna do something different,” he said.

    The Clinton campaign issued a quick retort to Obama’s comments.

    “For months, Barack Obama and his campaign have relentlessly attacked Hillary Clinton’s character and integrity by using Republican talking points from the 1990s,” said spokesman Phil Singer. “The shame is his. Senator Clinton does know better — she knows better than to condescend and talk down to voters like Senator Obama did.”

    FOX News’ Aaron Bruns and The Associated Press contributed to this report

  88. And why has his hateful wife gotten off the hook when every thing Bill says is turned into some anti-Clinton tirade!!! It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out who MO is and what she really thinks of us….it is very scary.

  89. Here’s a comment string that needs some attention. It’s lively and posts go up fast, registration wasn’t hard. It was positive for Hillary but now some rude people are coming in and making it sour.

    h t t p : / /www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/33411.html

  90. @jbstonefan,
    don’t worry about it. She will win by double digits. He has outspent her 5:1, campaigned rigorously for weeks and will lose. Hard to spin that. He had plenty of time and money to convince PA voters. He pushed hard and will be rejected.

  91. I wished I could have seen Hillary, but I forgot it was on, they’ll probably show it all week! I’ve just quit watching the “A” hole pundints! I don’t care what the hell they think. They get one vote just like I do. I just wish it was against the law to try and sway the voting public like this!

  92. RJK – I agree. I wish that this had broken Tues/Wed/Thurs of this week. Too much time for his campaign to reframe his words and to get the MSM to collude with him.

    We need video to come out in the next couple days, something that keeps the ENTIRE quote in context.

  93. I hope so Ann. Meanwhile the DNC and my local congressman, Wexler, a BO supporter, are doing nothing to have my vote here in Florida count when it matters!!!! They are caught up in getting this money train nominated that they ignore what everyone else knows-he cannot and will not be electable!!!!

  94. I HOPE Hillary ups the criticism and challenges Barack’s strong words with EVEN STRONGER criticism of his Oil ties, his Rezko ties, Iranian terrorist ties, condescion remarks, gun flip flopping, etc.

  95. Report from PA:
    Drove from MA to PA to do some campaigning today and can report that the support for HRC is very, very strong – at least in Bucks county. I don’t know who was in the audience for that CNN forum today (didn’t watch it – just read the stream above) but it wasn’t the working/middle class people I spoke with today. My partner and I visited about 50 houses and almost we spoke to (of course 60% weren’t home) was strong HRC. A few undecideds. No BO. The uber-liberal wing can try and shove this guy down our throats all they want. One voter told me today that of course she was voting for HRC because she was “just a typical white person.”

    Average voter isn’t buying it.

    Would encourage everyone to take an hour every day and call. It really, really helps. And it makes you feel better too when you talk to real, live voters.

  96. I think it came out just in time so to allow people to go out and talk about the quote of Obama and for the news like Fox to do some digging up and go on an all out attack on Obama and for the superdelegates to be careful about jumping on the boat and to see if it did hurt Obama in the Penn elections

  97. I want a 30% winning margin or higher for Hillary 😀

    actually, I want hillary to have each and every single delegate 🙂 close the gap nice 😀

  98. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIxmi3e2Vmo

    I will never vote for this slimy, preacher voice, sack of shit and his whitey-hatin wife. Never. Welcome, President McCain if the party I used to love nominates this con artist and idiot lemmings follow him over the cliff.

    I need to print bumper stickers: Don’t blame me, Democrats! I voted for Hillary.

  99. RJK- larry johnson at noquarter has some video – I’m just hoping that wherever he got it, he was able to get the whole thing. Perhaps someone posted on Youtube, but you better bet BO’s campaign must be contacting all those who were there, and looking for every Youtube and trying to scrub it.

  100. Just wanted to share this – a good friend of mine who was on the fence leaning BHO now turned against BHO. The funny thing what made him eventually change his mind was how the media spin the story of Hillary lying about the pregnant women, so I guess more and more people are seeing through the media spins. The more people know about BHO, the less they like him.

  101. why doesn’t hillary do a statewide blitz, sending every major surrogate to hold rallies and canvass for her in Pennsylvannia? I think that could surely help to increase her lead even further

  102. I suppose we need to keep in mind the 2000 election. Remember how the media treated AL Gore…called him a liar at every turn and made up stuff to fit their narrative, called him a bathtub ring, said he’d lick the bathroom floor to be president, made fun of his clothes, questioned his manhood and on and on and on.

    Even after all of the vile Gore trashing…and the George Bush worshiping…GORE STILL WON THE POPULAR VOTE.

    Hopefully as you all have said, the voters are on to this media sliming behavior by now and can see what is being done to Hillary.

  103. MJS

    hope when all is said and done, obama pays for his lies and smearing two of the best figures in American politics.

    HE WILL BIG TIME

    THEY SAY PAY BACK IS A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH

  104. The people at this fundraiser are hardcore supporters. I’m sure many of them caught Obama on video, but the question is, will they release it and doom BO’s campaign? Most probably won’t… unless someone gives them the incentive to.

  105. I have two AAs on my team working on our petition drive – believe it or not they are afraid to go out into their communities because of the unrelenting pressure they get from the clergy!

  106. neeta, it’s appalling.

    What really frosts my muffins is when he bashing BC’s presidency. Not only was it one of the best administrations of the last 50 years, but Bill Clinton really improved the life of african americans. Outcomes for african americans went up more than any other demographic group in the 90’s. Were a few pockets of people hurt during the 90’s by trade expansion, sure. But the vast majority of americans saw their standard of living rise, especially african americans. It’s disgusting that he just bashes Bill.

  107. filbertsf – yes, if that incentive is some sort of cash from perhaps Fox…

    I’m hoping someone snuck in there just because they wanted to see the home on billionaire row (was it at the Getty’s home, and if so, why don’t they publicize that?).

  108. Hillary needs to be at Andrews AFB to greet the Pope when he arrives and be seen with him as much as possible while he is in NYC next weekend.

  109. The Al Sharptons, Jessie Jacksons shows Bill & Hillary what BACK STABBERS THEY ARE. Bill and Hillary will have the laugh Laugh then watch the change. ALL BECAUSE OF THIS SATAN THAT IS RUNNING. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT SATAN. HE CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING. I hope she tells all of them to KISS WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE

  110. rickroberts, Obama compared Hillary to Annie Oakley. He must not know about this song from “Annie Get Your Gun”:

    “Yes, I can.”

  111. The thing that was striking to me about Hillary and Obama in that forum were how geniune Hillary’s expression of the role of spirituality in her life was and how Obama seemed to just have an intellectual experience of it. I didn’t get anything off of him emotionally.

  112. actually, not many American Catholics connect with the current pope much…not sure what good it would do to meet with him.

  113. Now, at least, we know what BO meant when he referred to the “typical white person” – they are a bitter gun-toting, xenophobic religious zealot.

  114. birdgal, mayhill fowler (what a name!) who broke the story said on Lou Dobbs on Fri that the people in the room were a mixed crowd. She said that despite what has been reported, many there were not the wealthy.

    Kitty Pilgrim asked her pointedly what the makeup of the audience was.

    Pilgrim noted that those in attendance have all maxed out their 2,300 donation. If those aren’t rich people, then I suppose a lot of middle/working class people would rather starve than NOT max out their contribution to BO.

  115. fdrjim Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
    I have two AAs on my team working on our petition drive – believe it or not they are afraid to go out into their communities because of the unrelenting pressure they get from the clergy!

    Are you in PA? I am not AFRAID. I am READY. I AM SICK AND TIRED OFF THE BULLYS. I CAN’T WAIT TO GET THERE. THEY WANT TO THREATEN , I WILL SHOW THEM A THREAT

  116. 40% of the voting Democrats in PA are Catholic and a picture of Hillary with the Pope will go a long way. What does Obama have to show, a picture of him and Wright?

  117. filbertsf: so, if the the attendees had maxed out their donations, then who contributed money???? it was a fundraiser.

  118. Has this been posted? I can’t believe this goes on..yet the media is silent. If it were Hillary’s minister it would be 24/7 discussion…

    Farrakhan and Obama’s pastor attend judge’s funeral

    Associated Press – April 12, 2008 9:04 PM ET

    CHICAGO (AP) – Prominent religious leaders including Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright have attended funeral services in Chicago for a former judge and longtime civil rights attorney.

    Officials at Trinity United Church of Christ say R. Eugene Pincham was remembered as a devoted husband, dedicated father and advocate for the poor.

    Wright, the minister of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, delivered the eulogy at the South Side church where he’s head pastor, but will retire June 1.

    Wright and the church have faced scrutiny after short video clips of his more fiery remarks surfaced online.

    The funeral services were closed to reporters.

    Officials say the megachurch’s 2,500-seats were filled with mourners.

    Pincham died earlier this month following a long illness. He was 82.

    http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=8158383&nav=1sW7

  119. birdgal, that’s a good question and I thought about that myself. But Pilgrim didn’t address it. She just stated that those in attendance are contributors who have maxed out their contribution.

  120. ok guys-im getting emails about this idiotic scotland article on carter escorting fair maiden hillary out of the race. i told them dont believe and reasons why but they insist i don tknow its true. so-there si no truth to this-give me a god counter. i say call pa every day and dont waste your time emailing carter who is out meeting terrorists.

  121. rjk1957, I’m not sure this conservative, by-the-book Pope will want a picture with a pro-choice candidate.

  122. texan4hillary – I got the same email from the same person. the sender saw it on Fox and didn’t research that the article had holes and has been basically debunked. i don’t think from our side, we should even perpetuate any hand-wringing rumors.

  123. Carter said, he is not endorsing until the convention. He said, it today, on one of the Sunday news shows.

  124. Tell them Carter is irrelevant. Uh, the only twice elected Democrat since FDR has her back. Just get back to calling PA.

  125. No. Those big billionaire/millionaire contributors had already contributed the legal max but were paying “costs” of $2,300 to “attend” the fundraiser…aka…legal loopholes i think

  126. Rally draws the few, the vocal

    By Marcia Moore
    The Daily Item

    SELINSGROVE — The turnout at Saturday’s rally in support of Barack Obama fell far short of expectations, but the 10 people who showed up expressed intense admiration for the Illinois senator.

    Richfield resident Shelly Messimer organized the walk through Selinsgrove to demonstrate support of Obama less than two weeks before the April primary.

  127. that is what i keep saying. it first appeared in a scotland tabloid rag right? then fox? real trustworthy sources. i say keep you eye on the prize. emailing jimmy wont do much good-he is busy running to hamas and syria thinking he can get a deal. a big debacle.

  128. I was over at a friends house. I wear my Hillary button everywhere. There was this young lady there, she saw my Hillary button. She said are you for Hillary? I asked her do you see this button? If i was not for her why would i be wearing her button. I told her you must be for Obama, she said yes. I asked her why?
    The typical answer because he is black. She was in her early twenties.

    A friend of my niece called me to ask if i was watching American Idol, I told her no. I asked her did she vote in the primary, she said yes. I asked her who did she vote for, her answer that black man, I said you voted for someone you don’t know their name? I said no wonder the world is in the shape it it.

  129. mjs: so, if one has maxed out, a person can attend a fundraiser and pay the cost of attending? Nice loophole. If I had know that, I would have attended a fundraiser, when Hillary and Bill were in the state.

  130. Response to Sen. Obama’s Outburst
    Phil Singer, Deputy Communications Director, issued the following statement tonight:

    For months, Barack Obama and his campaign have relentlessly attacked Hillary Clinton’s character and integrity by using Republican talking points from the 1990s. The shame is his.

    Sen. Clinton does know better — she knows better than to condescend and talk down to voters like Senator Obama did. Senator Obama’s outburst won’t change the fact that he has embraced his characterization of the millions of Americans who live in small towns.

  131. it’s like attending a dinner that is coincidentally priced at the donation’s limit. the people are “paying for service or to attend” when in reality, its just money for the campaign.

  132. The great orator,as the MSM calls him,really showed his pandering and insensative comments about his daughters sex education.The original speech that he made about punishment for a daughter that got pregnant ,did not mention anything about age.what was quite shocking and quite crude .He said “When Kids Screw up”And he has the audacity to think that he should be the next President?Desparation has set in,judging from the tirade ,calling Hillary names and accused her of being a liar and shameless..He is digging a deep hole and he is running out of shovel.CNN was again showing its bias and disgusting hate for Hillary. Media manipulation of the election and opinions of its paid Pundit Pimps is criminal.I hope Hillary will show the debate viewers on wed. nite.,how pathetic and phony BHO really is and hold their noses in disgust.They can tell when his Boloney has been out in the sun too long. Let him have it Hillary,he is panic stricken and ready for a knockout DEBATE.

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”

    by ABM90

  133. MJS Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
    OMG guys. VOTE FOR HILLARY IN THE TIME top 100 most influential. She’s only #106?

    That’s crazy.

  134. Then why cap the dinner/fundraiser at 2300? Why not stop at 5K?

    Actually, it makes sense now. Let’s say I maxed out at 2,300 and I paid 500 to attend Elton John’s concert. Then I did exceed the limitation, but legally.

  135. Pls don’t slander Gore that way! Gore knows all this kind of stuff. He was treated the same way by the media. He finally ‘lost’ because Florida votes weren’t counted! I’m sure he can see through all this and knows who the most people really want.

  136. 1950, I really would not be so sure about that. But, look, Gore and Carter are not going to dictate who the nominee is anyway.

  137. i agree. gore will be neutral and let the process run. pluscarter and gore escorting hillary from the race is SEXIST CRAP. no one should believe this garbage guys. hillary is not escorted anywhere. she is a major candidtae for president and is going nowhere. what a crock

  138. Where’s Murtha in all this? Johnstown is the type of small town that BO slandered. Small, working class town. I haven’t heard a peep from him.

  139. # mj Says:
    April 13th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    MJS Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
    OMG guys. VOTE FOR HILLARY IN THE TIME top 100 most influential. She’s only #106?

    That’s crazy.
    ********************************************************
    it’s obviously been hacked, when i was voting on it over a week ago, she had over 10k votes and was over ob, now it says she only got 4,500 votes……

  140. vote at
    gretawire.com (about half way down the page)

    Are any of these candidate arrogant? if so, who is the MOST arrogant?

  141. Time top 100 – 2 weeks ago, Hillary was #14, and BO was #4 and Stephen Colbert was ahead of Nelson Mandela.

    The whole thing is bunk. If Time publishes the real results – they will be a laughing stock.

  142. Only an elitist idiot like Obama would think that calling someone Annie Oakley is an insult. Isn’t she like a folk hero?

  143. even msnbc calls obama stunt tonight in pa calling hillary oakley a TIRADE. bambi just dug deeper-firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/13/886051.aspx

  144. Guys, for links to the videos and audio and transcripts and GREAT PHOTOS of the SF fundraiser,see taylormarsh.com Hot Topics. They are leaking out all over, different things turning up in different places.

  145. here’s that jeralyn article that T4H posted: talkleft.com/story/2008/4/13/22205/2243

    Shame on her,” Obama said, echoing one of Clinton’s own atacks on him. “Shame on her, she knows better.”

    “She’s running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment, she’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley! Hillary Clinton’s out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday, she’s packin’ a six shooter! C’mon! She knows better. That’s some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds.”

    Hillary’s campaign responds:

    Clinton spokesman Phil Singer responded with this statement: “For months, Barack Obama and his campaign have relentlessly attacked Hillary Clinton’s character and integrity by using Republican talking points from the 1990s. The shame is his. Sen. Clinton does know better — she knows better than to condescend and talk down to voters like Senator Obama did.”

    “Senator Obama’s outburst won’t change the fact that he has embraced his characterization of the millions of Americans who live in small towns,” he added.

    If you get a chance, watch the video of Obama’s comments.

    Update: Obama doesn’t seem to know much about Annie Oakely:

    In her life, Annie overcame poverty, mistreatment and physical injury with her determination and strength of character. She played a role in breaking barriers for women with her talent and accomplishments in her sport. She showed great compassion and generosity to orphans, widows and other young women.

  146. Yes, she is. She was tough woman and an expert markswoman. She always dressed like a lady, not showing any skin like all the other bimbos of their time did. She was small but mighty and everyone loved her! Ironically, she was slandered by “Big Media” newspapers with lies but she fought back and won!

    Ha Ha…she IS like Annie Oakley, and it is a compliment!!!

  147. What if BHO is prez and says something that is “misinterpreted or twisted” by Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela…

    I can hear it now..

    Obama: “This is a whole dust up over the words I chose, hey Putin, Jintao, Ahmadinejad, Chavez they were JUST WORDS!!!! Hey guys my wife even says I’m not perfect, hey take your finger off that button….

  148. Check this out on Annie:

    Annie Oakley’s Libel Suits (1903-1910)

    8 of 10

    It was a different kind of competition, the legal battle Annie Oakley waged against the 55 newspapers she felt had libeled her. But in this new arena, Oakley’s aim proved just as true.

    False Reports of Scandal
    Annie had left Buffalo Bill Cody’s Wild West show at the end of its 1901 season, and although she did some acting, Oakley looked forward to a quieter existence. That hope was shattered on August 11, 1903, by two Chicago newspapers belonging to publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst. Hearst, who controlled America’s first national media chain, was famous for a lurid style of reporting called “yellow journalism.” His papers had drummed up support for the Spanish-American War, and they regularly featured sensational headlines such as “Startling Confession of Wholesale Murderer Who Begs to be Hanged.” The August piece about Oakley was cut from the same cloth: “Famous Woman Crack Shot … Steals to Secure Cocaine,” the headline trumpeted. The story claimed that Oakley was currently in a Chicago prison, sentenced to 45 days for “stealing the trousers of a negro in order to get money with which to buy cocaine.” Oakley’s “striking beauty” was now “entirely gone,” the reporter declared. “Although she is but twenty-eight years old, she looks almost forty.” None of it was true; Oakley was nearly 43 and spending August on the New Jersey seashore. Nor had she ever stolen trousers or used cocaine. But newspapers from coast to coast soon picked up on the story, and friends mailed her articles with headlines like “Annie Oakley, Famous Rifle Shot is Destitute.” Oakley was devastated; she had always scrupulously avoided any scandalous conduct, and suddenly her reputation was on the verge of being destroyed. “The terrible piece … nearly killed me,” Oakley declared. “The only thing that kept me alive was the desire to purge my character.”

    By all accounts Oakley was persuasive in the courtroom; she dressed conservatively, spoke courteously, and exuded respectability. Hearst tried to undermine her by having a detective go back to Darke County, Ohio, and try to dig up dirt, but he came up empty and was prevented by locals from staying overnight. When defense lawyers accused her of seeking publicity and charged her with immodesty on stage, Oakley almost always remained calm, denying that she ever appeared in “short skirts” or did “hand-springs” in her act. Pressed by one attorney on the subject of education, she said it was “a very good thing when backed by common sense, and a very bad thing in the head of a cheap lawyer.” Even her rare outbursts likely increased the jury’s sympathy. She once turned and left a South Carolina courtroom, telling opposing attorneys that this would give “you gentlemen who are such gallant defenders of woman’s honor a chance to further your cowardice by shooting me in the back.” When the dust cleared, Oakley had won or settled 54 of her 55 suits, receiving awards ranging from $900 in Scranton to $27,500 from Hearst’s Chicago papers. Some estimated that she brought in $800,000 from her legal actions, while others thought it closer to $250,000. But when expenses and lost wages were considered, Oakley actually lost money. She did secure something more important to her, though: vindication. And even newspapers she had bested in court still wrote her praises; the Hoboken Observer later sent her a flattering story with the note: “Although you dug into us for three thousand [dollars] at a time when [that] was a large sum with us — you see we still love you.”

  149. It is a compliment to be compared to Annie Oakley. She was one tough woman, who fought hard, broke barriers, and was a better shooter, than her male counterparts. Why, thank you, BO.

    Obama doesn’t seem to know much about Annie Oakely:

    In her life, Annie overcame poverty, mistreatment and physical injury with her determination and strength of character. She played a role in breaking barriers for women with her talent and accomplishments in her sport. She showed great compassion and generosity to orphans, widows and other young women.

  150. Ha Ha! I think Obama just did Hillary a big favor…plus the NRA folks are going to be pissed at him for how he characterized her support for the hunting tradition.

    This will get him nowhere with “Bitter Small Town”

  151. abcnews-
    -hey hillary slug this punk. he told the crowd hillary backs nafta bc she and her husband campaigned for it. liar. sexism as usual-hill was opposed but she was not prez-bill was. shame on u bambi for all the sexism u have used for a year in this campaign. –
    Obama Fires Back at Clinton: ‘Shame on Her’
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    Share April 13, 2008 8:19 PM

    ABC News’ Sunlen Miller reports: Barack Obama launched into a fiery offensive this evening in a speech before the United Steelworkers Union in Steelton, Pa., in responding to criticisms about his “bitter” remarks — going after Sen. Hillary Clinton in a way rarely seen over the course of this campaign.

    “Shame on her,” Obama said, echoing one of Clinton’s own atacks on him. “Shame on her, she knows better.”

    Obama said he was disappointed with her for her response and then launched into a new criticism of Clinton over her recent admission of being a hunter, and compared her sarcastically to Annie Oakley.

    “She’s running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment, she’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley! Hillary Clinton’s out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday, she’s packin’ a six shooter! C’mon! She knows better. That’s some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds.”

    Obama said he is amazed and surprised by this “dust-up” but admitted that his words were chosen badly. He said he deeply regretted … that his words were misinterpreted.

    He also defended himself, bringing up his own devotion to faith and his stance on the Second Amendment -– and he responded to the idea that he is an elitist.

    “Now, I am the first to admit that some of the words I chose, I chose badly,” he said, “So I’m not a perfect man and the words I chose, I chose badly. They were subject to misinterpretation, they were subject to be twisted and I regret that. I regret that deeply. But when people suggest that somehow I was demeaning religion when I know that I’m a man of deep faith, somebody who in my own life has held on to faith, held on to my confidence in God during times of trial and tribulation, then it sounds like there’s some politics being played. When people suggest that I was somehow being elitist and demeaning hunters when I have repeatedly talked about the tradition that people pass on from generation to generation, hunters and sportsmen, and how I have consistently spoken about my respect for the Second Amendment, when people try to suggest that I was demeaning those traditions, then it sounds like there’s some politics that’s being played.”

    He reiterated what he said was the intended message of his original comments at the fundraiser in San Francisco.

    “And what really burns me up is when people suggest that me saying that folks are mad, they are angry, they are bitter after 25, 30 years of seeing jobs shipped out, pensions not fulfilled, healthcare lost, the notion that people are surprised and are suggesting that I’m out of touch because I spoke honestly about people’s frustrations, that tells me there’s some politics going on,” he said.

    While Obama saved most of the feisty criticism for Clinton, he also took a couple swings at John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president.

    “John McCain said I was out of touch, he said I was being ‘condescending and elitist, people aren’t bitter,'” Obama said. “And I’m thinking to myself, here’s a guy it took him three tries before he actually came up with a plan to deal with the millions of people who are about to lose their homes because of foreclosure, who wants to perpetuate the Bush tax cuts.”

    Obama also reminded the union crowd of Clinton’s position on NAFTA, which many working people blame for allowing companies to outsource manufacturing jobs to Mexico, and Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn, who was working as a lobbyist for Colombia to help that country get a free trade deal with the United States that Clinton said she opposed.

    “Who do you think is out of touch? This is the same person who spent a decade with her husband campaigning for NAFTA and now says she’s against NAFTA,” Obama said. “Does that sound like she’s in touch with Pennsylvania? In touch with you? Against trade with Colombia — turns out her top adviser was working with Colombian government to get the bill passed. Does that sound like it’s in touch with you?”

    Obama concluded that these are the types of things people are frustrated about, “things haven’t changed. And of course you’re frustrated about that. Of course you’re bitter about that.”

  152. Also found this @ Taylor Marsh, well said I thought;

    Today at Ball State, Barack Obama said that people in his hometown in Illinois (Chicago) are bitter, angry, and feel left behind.
    Uh, wait a minute.
    Barack Obama is a US Senator representing Illinois. He was the Illinois state senator representing the 13th Congressional district, which encompasses the Southside of Chicago, one of the most terrible places in the country.
    The people in the Southside of Chicago are bitter, angry, and feel left behind because Obama left them behind, on his ongoing quest for personal advancement.

  153. why do even his COUNTERATTACKS have to be xeroxed from hillary’s own words? Can the guy NOT come up with anything in that big dumb head of his?

  154. The Annie Oakley/duck blind crack needs to be SPREAD. Seriously, this makes HIM look bad, not her.

  155. you guys can tell me to stfu if you want but I’m having a difficult time with terms that describe women as bitch and bimbo. I absolutely understand how BITTER we all are at the MSM it’s commentators, but it does nothing to promote women as a whole no matter who’s side they are on. This chit won’t stop unless we lead the way.

  156. When I was young and didn’t have the strength to over-power the adults who hogged the remote control, I saw a movie with Doris Day as Annie Oakley.

    Then last year, I caught a biopic of Annie Oakley on A&E. Let me just say Doris Day’s Annie Oakley ain’t the real Oakley. That woman was tough as nails and she didn’t sing.

  157. Debbie, when I said Bimbo I was referencing that the women entertainers of that day were basically like strippers and rather loose women. Annie Oakley refused to exploit her “female attributes” in that way and that was unheard of at the time. You had to “show skin”. But in spite of her modesty she was successful…and respected for her actual talents.

    Sorry if that was offensive, I guess I was trying to make a point about how Annie was way ahead of her time.

  158. anyone blogging in IN – here is information from an Obama supporter – found on the GOP web site

    Friday, April 11, 2008

    They Said It!: Obama Supporter Former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-IN) On Obama’s Iraq And Trade Policies

    Hamilton: “I’m not a great fan, incidentally, of target dates in foreign policy as a rule and in Iraq specifically.” (MSNBC’s “MSNBC Live,” 4/11/08)
    Hamilton: “I favor the Columbia Free Trade Agreement on national security grounds, on economic grounds.” (MSNBC’s “MSNBC Live,” 4/11/08)
    MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell: “Are you at all troubled that you seem to disagree with Barack Obama’s timetable for withdrawal from Iraq and his position on free trade.” Hamilton: “I do.” (MSNBC’s “MSNBC Live,” 4/11/08)

    http://www.gop.com/News/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=e11107e5-6359-4679-9983-484c661c63b3

  159. bluedemocrat

    audio clip and post by Mayhill Fowler on the SF speech here:

    Some highlights – Obama responds to Krugman toward the end of the audio (46:20); Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17); Obama discusses fundraising successes (15 min); Obama discusses energy, fuel efficient cars (18 min); “When people tell me they’ve all stressed about racial discord, well, you know, try slavery for a while.” (26:02).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-exclusive-audio-on_b_96333.html

  160. bmabi is mad-he is losing. time for him to leave the race. there is no way for him to win. oh wait only hillary is told to leave the race.

  161. its on drudge and news sites. thepage has it front and center. angry bambi. very angry. btw-what time is the abc debate? is on natl tv?

  162. HillBillyLover

    got you point, all ok

    my first idol was Annie Oakley, when I was 7 I got a cowgirl outfit for xmas cuz i wanted to be like her. 😆

  163. texan4hillary, don’t get upset, but I really didn’t understand what you were saying about that email you got. Can you repeat what got you riled up?

  164. LOL! No sixshooters in the duckblind!

    HillBilly, Obama evidently knows even less about hunting than he does about bowling.

  165. i swear, if I have to see Obama being given the nomination, I might just both puke my lungs out AND officially sign-up with the McCain campaign.

  166. MJS Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
    i swear, if I have to see Obama being given the nomination, I might just both puke my lungs out AND officially sign-up with the McCain campaign

    DITTO

  167. birdgal Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
    Was Krugman at the fundraiser??? I thought, he was supportive of Hillary.

    I doubt that. He probably responded to Krugmans comments about him.

  168. Hillbilly, I say some enterprising Pennsylvanians should take Obama on a good ol’ snipe hunt! That would be funny.

  169. filbertsf – Texan4Hillary was saying that an email was circulating about Gore and Carter allegedly going to ask Hillary to step out of the race – this is a rumor that has debunked by Carter after it was reported in the Scotsman – and the emailer was telling Hillary supporters to fax/call/email Gore and Carter.

    But it was moot – and a waste of time. the story is untrue, and our efforts are best focused on calling PA.

  170. debbie, I didn’t have an Annie Oakley outfit, but I had me a Jane West doll, with the horse and the campfire frying pan and the whole shebang.

    I loved my Jane West.

  171. Now for me it’s anybody (McCain) but BHO. BHO is dangerous to the country and he has to be stopped. I still believe Hillary can get the nomination, if not, I will just switch to GOP because the party no longer represents my believes. I can stand McCain for 4 years. McCain at least has integrity while BHO is totally untrustworthy.

  172. MJS, that’s not funny.

    Please, for the love of God, will people just can the third Party talk. It’s not going to happen. What we need to do is win.

  173. THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!!

    (for linking the Politico piece) Finally(!) an honest and fair assessment of why Hillary MUST stay in the race. Even if only a few political insiders are getting a clue now, that means others will soon. (And if they don’t, I will be there in November to say “Told ya”.)

  174. Admin

    Could you please remove comment 138401?

    That language simply does not belong here and will be all over the internet by morning. Thank you.

  175. You know, all this talk about the Columbian Free Trade deal, which Hill already came out against, is effing stupid. When she came out against it, Uribe had a shitfit, and totally attacked her, so clearly he didn’t think whatever BC’s or Penn’s thoughts on the matter were, they were trumping Hillary’s. Obama, meanwhile, spent last year positioning himself as the more free trade, and now he’s attacking her? Gimme a break. If only the media actually did it’s job.

  176. mj – If you’re not a voter in Florida – if you were not part of the 1.76 million of us that went to the polls, then the DNC refuses to speak to us, blocks our emails, hangs up on us, refuses to give us the Rules & By-laws committee list – getting it only after getting the ACLU involved, telling us it is our fault we voted – I say if our delegates are not seated – the whole fucking Democratic Party can go to hell – come to florida, listen to the people here – listen to the Independents signing our petition saying how can you run a country when you can not even run your own party – Next time you cast a vote and a group of 30 say too fucking bad – how would you feel – Yes, we want Hillary but the DNC does not give a shit about Florida, Ralph Dawson, Donna Brazile, Howard Dean – what type of leaders are they – fuck them if our votes don’t count and yes, I along with hundreds of thousands of florida voters will consider a 3rd party – check the VIN and see how many democrats in Florida have already changed party affiliation – so, when you so for the love of God stop talking about a 3rd party – vote in Florida and let the party tell you your vote, your state, your delegates mean nothing – then you can make that statement.

  177. filbert, if you want a laugh, have a look at the original Marx TV commercial for the Jane West doll (and now I am dating myself as really old.)

    SHE WAS SO COOL! I loved my Jane West Doll!

  178. hillbilly i lol a six shooter..NRA gonna say arrogant and hunters will say flap your wings lol..
    i m glad his cousin xheny isnt gonna show him how to use a shotgun in a duckblind…will have castrophe’s all the time

  179. debbie, scroll up to HillBillyforHill’s comments on Obama being too citified to know you don’t use a six-shooter in a duck blind. You use a rifle, with bird shot. Duh.

    If you are going to use hunting terminology to slam Hillary, you should really try to not sound like an idiot in that way.

  180. Hillary … out in a duck blind EVERY SUNDAY with a six shooter according to BO.

    When I mentioned this my “good ole boy” brother-in-law down in Arkansas, he said he wondered just what the gun regulations for guns are and just how long is their duck season anyway…EVERY SUNDAY???

    He said it’d be worth going to Chicago just to see them hunt ducks or …snipes. Hiillaryfo Texas…love it…but you know how fast those little booger snipes are and how hard they are to hunt down. Do you suppose BO could “bowl over” more than 37 of them in one hunt?

  181. I understand your frustration, fdr. Trust me, I do. But it’s unrealistic to think Hill is going to do that. Let’s focus on winning and seating FL/MI.

  182. Sorry, shotgun, not rifle. Although if you could hit a duck with a rifle, you’d be DAMN good!

  183. you use a 20 gauge or 12 gau for ducks and pheasants ..in your duckblind

    yeah take that 270 winchester rifle and hit the duck you be the best damn shot in town..

  184. filbertsf

    I always think people that ask questions really are trying to learn something unless of course they are pulling a BHO condesending attitude of course by asking.

    Which is it with you?

  185. Man oh man. Airline tickets are very expensive now. I would love to help Hillary in every competing states left, but with spring/summer airfare, that’s just out of my league. I think NC may be my last stop. Well, Oregon is a few hours of drive time away.

  186. mj – visit http://www.fldeservesrecognition.com – I’ve spend thousands out of my own pocket – I am trying along with my 300+ unpaid volunteers but the frustration we feel is very real, not a theory, and so many people are disenchanted they already have begun to leave the Democratic Party – especially the Cuban American in Miami – I just held a planning meeting there and out of 50 volunteers 27 switched to Independent or a minor party – this is very real – and I know most many, many Democrats that will either not vote if Hillary does not get the nomination or will vote Republican – one real way to counter that is to at least have an outlet for these people who made their own signage, stood on street corners, campaigned with their own money to support their candidate – remember, there was no official campaign in Florida – for your to say you understand our frustration is a theoretical understanding, not one based on empathy. I continually ask for support – only a few have responded.

  187. debbie, let people be. They come here to vent frustration… and sometimes people’s jokes go awry. They don’t come here to be lectured. People only like to be lectured by those they know and respect. MJS doesn’t know you from Eve.

    5 comments directed at MJS preceded yours. The kid got quiet. He knew his mistakes. Then you give him your typical speech.

  188. Eh, someone wrote that line for Obama. He wouldn’t know from a duckblind if it jumped up and chewed on his big old flappy ears.

  189. FDR, I think Obama will lose were he to become the nominee. I am trying for you in other ways re:FL/MI. I’m with you, ok. But Hill will NEVER run as an independent.

  190. HillaryforTexas Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 12:19 am
    Eh, someone wrote that line for Obama. He wouldn’t know from a duckblind if it jumped up and chewed on his big old flappy ears.

    Exactly. LOL

  191. Annie Oakley is a positive image, so thanks BHO. Furthermore, when the publics minds eye (over 50 crowd) shifts from Doris Day and Jane Withers to another feisty heroine from Denver, the people of Colorado will go all out in August for the Debbie Reynold’s role befitting of Hillary – the award-winning musical based on the life of the Unsinkable Molly Brown – survivor of the Titanic. So let’s get behind our little grown-up “Shirley Temple-like spitfire” Hillary – and let her be all of these grande dames of stage and screen rolled into one. I feel like a little Rogers & Hammerstein about right now………..

  192. fdrjim Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 12:20 am
    mj – how do you know that

    Because her husband is the only twice elected Dem in most of our lifetimes. It’s just not going to happen. You need a Party aparatus to win a GE. This is a Republic.

  193. fdrjim, just from what you hear on the ground and your gut feeling, do you think DNC will seat FL? I can’t imagine a Democrat winning the GE if we disenfranchised thousands of voters.

  194. well Buffalo Bill’s Wild West toured England to join in the Golden Jubilee of Queen Victoria. When the show opened that May, Oakley was the subject of considerable press due to her shooting skills and presence..she was in a train accident then quit the wild west show
    but this is what i like about annie
    Her noted shooting ability brought an invitation from Jack Frost, a hotel owner in Cincinnati who had purchased her game, to participate in a shooting contest against a well-known marksman, Frank E. Butler.

    Butler was on tour with several other marksmen. While on the road, Butler typically offered challenges to local shooters. Annie won the match with twenty-five shots out of twenty-five attempts.
    she beat the man

  195. mj – I think otherwise – we will go to the national convention and see what happens – we have nationwide support for our effort – you can help by signing our petition – if you would like to discuss you can feel free to call me at 888.599.1586 – All I know is I will NOT vote for Obama

  196. HillaryforTexas Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 12:19 am
    Eh, someone wrote that line for Obama. He wouldn’t know from a duckblind if it jumped up and chewed on his big old flappy ears.
    the ole duck would quack quack

    Exactly. LOL..even got mj lmao

  197. BO in a duckblind with a six shooter EVERY SUNDAY!!! LOL

    Wonder how many huntin dogs he has?

    I still love the idea of BO on a snipe hunt, Hillary for Texas. You can hunt them with six shooters can’t you?

  198. FDR, those delegates have to be seated and the pop vote should already be counted but of course the biased media won’t. I think Hill will only run as a Dem.

  199. Southern Born

    when I was growing up in FL, I had my first (and last) snipe hunt. I was a tomboy and I was so ready for that excitement. Thats the extent of my hunting experience
    😆

  200. filbertsf – I can tell you this – we have, in 4 weeks, developed a statewide network of unpaid, typically non-connected volunteers collecting petitions to reach our goal. We’ve begun a nationwide effort. We have people from their early 20’s to their early 80’s collecting petitions – I can tell you there is such extreme frustration that if something is not done I can assure you Florida will be a red state – there are so many people who have told us they will vote republican because they feel it is the only way to get the message to the DNC that their vote counts – it is really bad – and I have people – who have been democrats for 40 years, in tears, when they call the DNC – their arrogance, lack of understanding, their attitude toward Floridians is horrendous. I call the DNC every day – almost every day I get hung up on – and I have saved every email my volunteers have received from the DNC and you would be horrified by the responses these people receive. One person spend $320 to fly down to vote, not knowing anything about votes not being counted – the response from the DNC – a direct quote “That was your fault” – tell me we are not frustrated – the Democratic Party in Florida is in serious trouble –

  201. I’m not in favor of passing around rumors…unless it makes us feel good on a Sunday night, so from a TM poster. Cross fingers it proves to be true. Let’s make this 8 more days of BO gaffes:

    I saw on Hillary’s blog today someone mentioning that he/she heard on NPR that there is another tape of BO echoing pretty much the same sentiments about PA folks but at another rally in another state. God, let it be true.
    vinnieb | 04.14.2008 – 00:30 am | #

  202. BTW – Hillary exuded humbleness, conviction, spirituality, and great reverance tonight for faith – especially the faith that founded this nation – the Judeo-Christian faith. Serious conversation. It was uplifiting – unlike the “screw-up” mentioned not once, but twice by crude and dark-minded BHO who served as another lightning rod for the viewing audience. Didn’t do himself any favors on the comment about previous comment on daughter “punished with a baby.” Surprised actually, that CNN brought it up. There way, I suppose to “prove” their neutrality. Whatever. He shifted blame for his faux pas on “clinging to guns and religion” to HRC as predicted, which made him look even smaller in the eyes of millions of viewers. You really can’t “spin away” the way he portrayed religion in a negative light. Regardless of RM, JK, CB, and CC – all CNN commentators trying their best to resurrect BHO – to me, I sensed awkward silences during his entire spill, which made the audience’s applause seem even stranger. All in all, it was not a good night for BHO, as he did not “rise above” his remarks, but rather cemented them in the minds of many IMHO. At many intervals, many stone faces were seen throughout the crowd, even as there were others clapping. It was a good night for HRC speaking up for the people of PA and the nation.

  203. debbie,

    Yep! Many of us have been on a snipe hunt…just ONE is all it takes! My snipe hunt was down in Arkansas. Those snipes must be all over the country…migration and all. If we mentioned how politically advantageous it was, do you suppose we could get BO to go on one. But I don’t have a six shooter to loan him…do you…so then where would we be!

  204. mj – the delegates have not been seated and the popular vote has not been counted toward the total. We’ve been told the DNC will work to seat the delegates but both campaigns need to agree – we want the delegates seated in accordance with the primary date set by our legislature – in Florida the legislature controls and sets primary dates, not the State Parties. At this time, we do not know how many delegates will be seated, if they will be seated before or after the nominating process, and we also know that our vote is not included in the popular vote. We are holding 6 rallies in April and 8 in May – we have collected 45,000 petitions on 45,000 individual pieces of paper in just four weeks. We are getting out-of-state support – but we need help.

  205. Southernborn, I say we take him on a snipe hunt, put him up a tree in a deer stand, and tell him to wait right there ’til the snipe shows up.

    Heehee!

  206. debbie – we will be selling T-shirts (two different types) to raise money but we needed to develop our infrastructure first.

  207. MJ,
    That was funny, and smart. I thought for a second too (how the hell does he know that?) I don’t think he has said that previously, no.

    MJS,
    That wasn’t funny; in fact it was quite fuckin’ stupid.
    You get the entire site labeled as something it isn’t by saying that,
    not to mention a visit from the U.S. Secret Service.
    And if you’ve paid any attention to some of my previous battles here, you know I’m the last to even hint at what anyone should/shouldn’t post. But for the site’s sake, for Hill’s sake, and for your own, cool it.

    Lastly, I just suffered through about 10,000 words on Chris Matthews from the NYT Magazine story. What a waste of space.
    Zero investigation of Matthews and MSNBC’s rampant anti-Clintonism, brief mentions that it’s been charged, but precious little else.
    ***No questioning of management on their overall disgraceful content – or why it is allowed to exist.

    And to top it off, it ends with Matthews suggesting he’ll run for (of course) R-Arlen Specter’s Senate seat when his contract’s up.

  208. We have a multi-tiered strategy. We have a position paper – we have planned this out thoroughly and developed an infrastructure in each county to support this effort – this is the truest of a grass-roots movement – with no funding, not political connections – we just want our votes to count and to be part of our Democratic Party – and if that does not happen I am confident, as are the 300+ volunteers and growing- something else needs to be done – this is a travesty – a conspiracy – and nominating a presidential candidate without representing the entire country is less than democratic

  209. FDR, I know, Dean and Brazile are trying to swing the election. It’s crap. I have faith they will fail. There is no way the sides can agree when one person won and the other is a gigantic loser.

  210. Southern Born..surely there are a few snipes left in the south side of Chicago he can hunt for, which is where we’re gonna send him back to in August.

  211. Hillary For Texas…Love it!! Do you think BO would know the difference in a duckblind and a tree stand?

    I don’t know the regulations in Illinois but when I was young and in Arkansas, the limit was 37 snipes. The game warden would “bowl” you over if you got more than that!

  212. fdrjim – totally understand infrastructure issues – get yourself involved with a non-profit sponsor for now, so you can give people write-offs immediately, and see if someone will produce an event (yes, that’s infrastructure too) – with a band that’s willing to donate its time so you can keep the concert fee.

    One thing is you’re competing with monies that ppl are giving to Clinton; election years are always hard for all non-profits. Another strategy – maybe someone has maxed out their contributions to Hillary – and is perhaps an ardent Florida or Michigan Hillary voter – and would be willing to match contribution dollars to your org when people donate to Hillary through a specific site.

  213. Hi debbie, welcome!

    I’m in Iowa. We’re still recuperating from the Iowa Caucus..

    Oops, got to let my dogs out!

    Be back later.

    Mrs. S.

  214. lninla – thanks for the suggestions – I am working that angle now – have just placed a few calls Friday to some very well know donors

  215. debbie…are snipes still in season in August. I thought the season went out in July. We better shoot for sending him back to Chicago in June just so he can get ready for the big hunt. Wouldn’t want him to miss it!

  216. fdr, I have called and written and done what I can. I would love to come to FL for the protest, but just can’t.

    What else can those of us NOT in FL do?

  217. fdrjim – a friend of mine runs a small non-profit, and she did an auction of dates – she raised about $11,000 in one night. any local VIPs or celebs or a bunch of cute ppl willing to auction themselves off for dates in FL? and someone can raise local donations of dinners, trips – stuff to be used on those dates.

    This is a more manageable kind of event to produce – it will take an event committee, and someone who can tap into a sprinkling of local celebs and a venue that’s willing to donate, any restaurant or small night club.

  218. AN EXCERPT FROM OUR POSITION STATEMENT – THERE IS MUCH MORE TO THIS – READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH –

    Over 230-years ago, 13 colonies, each with different charters, goals and citizenry, banded together to fight for the principle of representation. While the odds were against them, their belief in their cause propelled them to victory. Today, their victory is ours to protect!

    Our volunteers are motivated to protect our civil liberties. Many of our volunteers are anguished by the demise of the party with whom they have so long been associated: the party of the people. What has happened to the party of the people, for the people, by the people?

    The DNC cares neither to understand nor empathize with the sentiment of Florida Democrats and voters in general. They do not take us seriously. WE DO!

    We hear the frustration of voters. A woman in Miami, from the Dominican Republic, now a United States citizen, was so excited to vote in her first Presidential election. Now she is considering sitting out the November election – unless her vote in the primary counts. We hear it from the 81-year old man in Jacksonville who has cast a Democratic Party vote his entire life but who will not vote in November – unless his primary vote counts. We hear it from the homemaker in Orlando who will vote for McCain in November out of frustration, hoping her vote will count – and in a big way to the fault of the DNC. We hear it from the Independent voter in Oldsmar who says, “How can you run a country when you can’t even run your own party?”

    These are the voices of Florida voters. This is serious. Our Democratic Party leadership has jeopardized its own Party. Even worse, they may have jeopardized the future of the United States. Why? Because their rules are THAT important. Shame, shame, shame!

    We cannot afford to tolerate this.

    FDR calls upon all voters, nationwide, to stand with us. Help us change our democracy. Go to our website fldeservesrecognition.com) and download our petition. Send the URL to your friends and ask them to do the same.

    Attend one of our five statewide rallies on April 26, 2008. Better yet, organize a rally in your state on the same day in support of our effort and help us send a message to Democratic Party leaders.

    We need your support and we need it quickly – our democracy is at stake.

    In closing, a true leader stands up for the rights of others. For equality. For representation. For inclusion, not exclusion. Who is your leader?

  219. hillaryfortexas – there is plenty you can do – call me at 888.599.158 – we have a multi-tiered state and national strategy – we have people in NY, VA and other states helping out – if you want to help call.

    lninla – great idea – I will get together with our statewide fundraising person to work with our county captains to get these ideas into action.

  220. So Obama has a problem with working class whites, gays, Michiganders, Floridians, Italians, Jews, Catholics, religious people in general, small town folks, gun owners, his own grandmother, Thomas Jefferson, and now Annie Oakley????

  221. hi hillfans, i hope hillary can make her $2.2 million goal by monday night. her website says $1.3 million met so far.

  222. I’m watching FoxNews and Bob Beckel stuck his foot in his mouth when he said,” it’s hard to stick elitism on a black candidate.”

    Boy I loved the reactions from the other pundits, who were a black female and a black male.

    I don’t know why the democrats think Obama is this great savior that is going to bring them out of the wilderness…to me I see another 40 years wandering in the desert.

  223. lninla

    BHO talked about same issues as SF speech on the Chairlie Rose interview in November 2004 This was not a bad chose of words then?

    from NPR:
    And on the Internet, a video clip is now circulating of Obama talking about the same kind of blue-collar voters with interviewer Charlie Rose in November 2004.

    heres the link of the interview: (hope it works)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-eOYtaru4Q&eurl

    check out starting at time 11:10

  224. good luck fdrjim – it’s a lot you’re doing – amazing cause. wish I were there to help. Dating auction is good idea…because you can start bidding around $125 for date; auction off 50+ dates – you’ll get more high dollar. A concert is labor intensive and you might get $25 per person, less yield, more volume, but also more hassle of promotion.

  225. Annie Oakley aka “little sure shot”. She used to shoot bullseyes with her back turned to the target while holding up a mirror. I think Bambi may have tapped his way to the truth on that one for once in his life. I will see if I can find a link on this–its a famous picture.

  226. Six-Shooter in a Duck Blind

    From politwix.com

    Well, it’s official. Barack Obama really is out of touch with small-town America.

    Today he launched into a tirade, scolding Hillary for questioning Obama’s choice of words during the now famous Bittergate fundraiser at a United Steelworker’s rally in Steelton, PA.

    Obama expressed his disappointment with Hillary in this way:

    “She’s running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment, she’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley! Hillary Clinton’s out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday, she’s packin’ a six shooter! C’mon! She knows better. That’s some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds.”

    Well, as any duck hunter knows, you would never take a six-shooter into a duck blind. The NRA will have a field day with this one!

    Apparently he also is unaware that Annie Oakley is true hero to women all over small town America. This is from PBS.org, the American Experience:

    Annie Oakley may not have considered herself a feminist, but she showed the world what a strong woman could accomplish in an era when women were struggling to gain greater equality, including the right to vote.

    Again, we see that Barack Obama doesn’t know us. He wants to preside over this great country? He doesn’t realize that some of us see Hillary Clinton as cut from the same cloth as “Little Sure Shot”, Annie Oakley.

    Hillary Clinton welcomes the comparison…in fact, she will probably send him a personal thank you note.

    “In her life, Annie overcame poverty, mistreatment and physical injury with her determination and strength of character. She played a role in breaking barriers for women with her talent and accomplishments in her sport. She showed great compassion and generosity to orphans, widows and other young women.”

    It is also ironic that Oakley lived out several years of her life fighting a libel suit against 55 newspapers that printed a scandalous false story originated by the original “Big Media” guy, William Randolph Hearst in of all places, Chicago.

    By all accounts Oakley was persuasive in the courtroom; she dressed conservatively, spoke courteously, and exuded respectability. Hearst tried to undermine her by having a detective go back to Darke County, Ohio, and try to dig up dirt, but he came up empty and was prevented by locals from staying overnight.

    She eventually won her battles, and the newspapers were required to file apologies and pay monetary damages.

    Sorry Barack, you got your folk heroes mixed up. But you almost hit your mark.

  227. CJ Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 12:26 am
    HillaryforTexas Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 12:19 am
    Eh, someone wrote that line for Obama. He wouldn’t know from a duckblind if it jumped up and chewed on his big old flappy ears.

    Now that’s funny! They got someone right quick write a speech line — and the writer sabotaged him?

    He seems to be digging himself deeper and deeper! First he tries to bowl when he can’t, acts like a dork in a deli, does a serious insult with the ‘clinging’ — and now he’s going after Hillary with trying to talk about things he knows nothing about! He should have left well enough alone.

    I don’t often say things like this — but maybe he’s getting panicky.

  228. Debbie, if Obamabots are trying to use the Charlie Rose interview to defend Obama it’s not going to work. The tone, intent and meaning of what he said in San Fran is quite different from what’s in the video. In San Fran he spoke of “clinging” to religion and guns which portrays them in a negative light. He also talked about frustration causing people to not like others different from you, become anti-trade and anti-immigrant. He was characterizing people in a demeaning manner.as he was saying they don’t respond positively to challenges but become narrow minded and bigoted.

    In the Rose video he is talking about people seeking comfort in familiar things during tough times but then getting looked down upon for it. It’s the opposite in tone and intent from what he said a few days ago. There is no mention of people becoming bigoted or intolerant from their frustrations. As I watched the video I couldn’t help observing that he is doing the very thing he is supposedly warning about–looking down on others for what they believe or do. This makes me wonder if he wasn’t just attempting to sound like a Democrat in that interview–he was on the verge of being sworn in as senator. His comments recently are much more like the ones we have been hearing over and over during past months–the true Obama that he isn’t afraid to hide anymore.

  229. correction–should read “that he is now doing, via his recent comments, the very thing he is supposedly wawring about–looking down on others for what they say or do”

  230. Jen the Michigander Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    So Obama has a problem with working class whites, gays, Michiganders, Floridians, Italians, Jews, Catholics, religious people in general, small town folks, gun owners, his own grandmother, Thomas Jefferson, and now Annie Oakley????

    ROFL!

    You forgot Pakistan.

  231. “Clinging to religion” should be the focus the rest of the week
    by the campaign.

    Bitter is just a bonus.

    It’s the term “clinging” Obama was reportedly upset with himself for using, it’s what Axelrod sought to adrress first, it’s being seen as attacking people’s religions that has them shaking in their boots.

    It’s why he went right to it tonight on CNN to try to defuse it.

  232. So what does it take to sue a news corp? I was appauled by the way that everyone was clapping at everything this man said. He didn’t even answer some of the questions given and that really says alot. It’s one thing if the question is from some hateful reporter and not even part of the issue but this man has gone to far! This is my biggest problem why do hillary supporters go on tv and explain themselves to the host on the shows as if we must get permission and accaptance from the host. EVERYTIME WE HAVE A SUPPORTER ON CNN WE NEVER STAND UP TO THEM! WE TAKE THERE QUESTIONS AND TRY TO MAKE THE HOST FEEL COMFORTABLE, NOW WHO DO WE HAVE THAT SUPPORTS HILLARY AND THAT CAN TELL BLITZER AND HIS OBAMA CREW TO SCREW OFF AND TELL THEM THAT HALF OF AMERICA IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

  233. I agree Blue Democrat…

    The “clinging to” is much worse because it suggests to me that people are fearful and desperate.

    Gosh I didn’t know there was that much paranoia out there, and of course “only” BHO can save us.

  234. winhillary,

    what angered me is that BHO got to schmooz the crowd afterwards. I think he interupted Hillary’s exit by coming right out early

  235. debbie,

    I agree, that was very cruel on cnns part to do that. It was obvious and actually set up, because the host told Hillary why don’t we bring out obama and he came out. I was sickened and this is my point, we need to make some huge action on the media quick before it gets hillary into trouble. We need to all get supporters in everyone of are areas and make signs and stand out at certain times of the week if we do this nationally we should get some attention and my question is do we know anyone near cnn headquarters that can get huge crowds to protest?

  236. I live in slo county california I can get fifty or more supporters in my area and picket tell we are getting local media. If we all here do it in are areas we will get huge media coverage. We all should have the same message and strong points made on the signs. If fox can cover any of it we should get national coverage. Especially if we can do it in front of fox. Well maybe not fox they have been pretty balanced lately.

  237. rothenberg on why hill must fight till the end-an obama implosion-
    rothenbergpoliticalreport.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-should-clinton-just-pack-it-in-when.html

  238. winhillary: if I were with the campaign and thought this was a problem then I would call up the producer of the show, tell him the moderator abused her discretion, and the candidate will not appear on the network in the future without specific groundrules binding on all parties.

    fdrjim: how do you think the three stooges would react if they received a petition sighned by 500,000 voters stating that they will not vote in the general electon for a candidate if they were not allowed to vote on that candidate in the primary. Then things might start to get serious, and that concrete threat would give bambi the incentive he does not have now to support a revote.

  239. if i were a superdelegate i would not give too much weight to this pledged delegate count, That factor has no bearing on ge

  240. Just finished reading an interesting piece over at Salon (which I don’t read as a rule, but I thought the subject was interesting and it is).

    Late in the piece, the writer makes this observation about the schism between young feminists and the old guard feminists:

    But instead of spelling the end of the movement, as Michelle Goldberg suggested in a recent Guardian piece, this generational break may signal a healthier divide. Because while these young women may not be changing their votes, and may not be hewing to the words of Robin Morgan, they’re also not -– as many of the elder handwringers fear -– tossing their feminism out with the bathwater. In fact, it’s possible to envision a way in which, rather than simply sealing the demise of the second-wave, this election might give birth to a new generation of young feminists awakened by the harsh treatment of Hillary -– on their own terms and without the voices of Steinems and Morgans to overshadow or boss them.

    I think it’s an important article to read because it may give women who support Hillary the insight they need to convince these young feminists that it is counter productive to re-invent the wheel. I’m not a woman so I won’t presume to attempt to do more than express an opinion for a potentially potent argument.

    In the piece, the writer describes a phenomenon that I don’t think is getting much attention and can really only be combatted by women. She mentions that these young women are feeling peer pressure from boyfirends, collegues and other straight white males in their lives to vote for Obama. If they express support for Hillary, it’s dismissed as a decision based on gender. The straight white men are framing the issue in a way where even a well-reasoned choice is ridiculed. These women are afraid/not inclined to push back the ridicule on these peers. It would seem just as valid to point out that the men are voting for the man because he’s a man, especially since that man doesn’t have the resume to support his ambition…but these young women are not doing that, instead they question their own choice or remain silent.

    Anyway, the article was very interesting.
    http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/index.html

  241. the endgame may have less to do with delegate count and more to do with how do we hold this fragile fractuous coalition togther and is there really a sufficient commonality of interest between blue collar workers and liberal elites to go forward under the same party. Dean and obama have exacerbated that problem. The republicans have a similar rift faultline call it what you will-no commonality of interset between Reagan Democats and big business. May produce populist 3d party

  242. check out wapo w/info on obama gaining anti-choice backers. yikes. and why should dems trust this dude. i love how he called hillary annie oakley awesme-an american icon, and guarentees the story will rage thru the week

  243. The “clinging to religion” comment — and Obama’s REITERATION and DEFENSE of his own comments the night AFTER the story broke, during a speech in Indiana — is the most shocking story of this weekend.

    In a nutshell, here’s what happened:

    1) Obama’s comments from the SF fundraiser are made public
    2) controversy begins
    3) Obama defends his own comments, saying “of course people are bitter,” etc.
    4) controversy gets even bigger
    5) Obama’s handlers realize that they are in deep trouble again, so Obama does a 180 and says, wait, actually, I didn’t mean any of that.

    Unreal.

  244. Has this Bitter Hopeless Oaf not realised yet when you are digging a hole to bury yourself, dont give them a shovel to help you.

  245. oh just had to post this as it will make the bloggers at DU just explode, look at the enormous amount of headlines in the newspapers this morning. Cover to Cover attacking Obama.

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×5493483

    Time : Will Obama Pay for ‘Bitter’ Flap?
    Inthenews : Barack Obama in trouble over ‘bitter’ voter remarks
    USA Today : How the news about Obama’s ‘bitter’ words is playing in PA
    WorldNews : Obama’s ‘bitter’ remarks give Clinton advantage
    Obama’s bitter comments make Clinton the Pennsylvania favorite
    Christianitytoday : Obama: ‘They cling to guns or religion’
    Politico : Obama gaffe undermines Dem outreach
    United Press : Mayor Nutter ‘saddened’ by Obama comments
    NYT : A Mayor in the Obama Mold, but Backing Clinton
    Hot Air : Obama and allies dodging the point
    LA Times : ‘Bitter’ remarks cloud faith, values forum

    From All over PA

    Pittsburgh Post : Forure over Obama Quotes
    Penn Sunday Times : Obama Choking on Bitter Pill
    Sunday Call : Obama stands firm on comments
    Erie Times : Mom’s Ready says Chelsea
    Bucks County Courier : Obama works to defuse Bitter situation
    Philadelphia EnQ : Rivals rip Obama Bitter PA Depiction

    Obama is getting slaughtered and its hitting all the PA papers.

  246. Obama’s people must be worried because they’re trotting out Sally Quinn to prop up Obama and his terrible performance last night and to clarify what Obama really meant to say when he spoke at that SF fundraiser.

    So Sally Quinn is now the religion reporter for the Washington Post and get to meet the Pope.

  247. Published on Sunday, April 13, 2008 in a NORTH CAROLINA PAPER!!!!!!! (HOPE THIS HELPS HILLARY WIN NC!!) 😀

    SEXISM IN THE PRIMARIES

    By Deborah Atkinson
    Fayetteville

    Since our election primaries began, I have become increasingly concerned over the media’s reaction toward Hillary Clinton. Rather than honor their duty to report accurately apart from any personal prejudices and biases, the media have frequently lost their ability to objectively report on the Democratic debates.

    Why?

    As a clinical psychologist, I look to the psychiatrist Carl Jung, who said in the years following the Holocaust that people should not fear looking at the unconscious, but instead be fearful of failing to do so. The unconscious refers to behaviors, feelings or thoughts that are outside an individual’s awareness or outside the awareness of groups and societies. This is important because the unconscious can be a powerful force when it involves toxic conflict and emotions such as fear, anger or envy, especially because these emotions can be accompanied by behavior that harms others.

    As a psychotherapist, never have I been so convinced that we need to heed Jung’s warning.

    I believe the media’s reaction is a reflection of the widespread sexism that simmers within our society. And even though Americans want to think of themselves as enlightened, I believe we are not.

    Simply put, sexism is discrimination against women. Sexism is attitudes, conditions or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

    It happens when the news media dissect Sen. Clinton’s every gesture, comment and mood. For example, journalists trade comments on her likability — is she unemotional (“cold”) or too emotional? They talk about the unacceptability of her laugh (“cackle”) or the tone of her voice (“shrill”). Yet, these same journalists overlook the physical aspects of the male candidates. For example, no one ever comments on Sen. Obama’s widely placed ears or how he cocks his chin up in an arrogant sort of way when he talks. They never mention that one side of McCain’s face is larger than the other or that he must read his favorite quote by George Washington from a card because he can’t remember it. No, that would be cruel.
    Embedded bias

    Sexism can also be embedded in what is not said. It happened during the early debates, when Clinton was ignored by the facilitators while Obama and Edwards tripped over themselves to support each other. The news commentators never addressed these dynamics or the Obama and Edwards alliance that left Clinton out of the discussion.

    Sexism happened again t recently during NPR’s interview of Sen. Clinton. The commentator asked Clinton how she reacted to the cable news and others’ pronouncement that “She has no way to win unless she wins ugly.” Clinton reacted by pointing out that the question itself was a double standard. She said Obama could be asked the very same question, as he was in the same situation, but only she was asked.

    Some may argue that media coverage has been more aggressive and more detailed simply because of Sen. Clinton’s past high-profile history. However, even during Bill Clinton’s presidency, Hillary was mistreated. Donnie Radcliffe’s book, “Hillary Rodham Clinton: A First Lady for Our Time,” addresses the media’s dislike of Hillary in the chapter, “They Shoot Candidates’ Wives, Don’t They?” The chapter addresses the media’s reaction when Hillary did not fit the stereotype for a first lady. And remember John McCain’s cruel joke at a 1998 Washington GOP fundraiser: “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” Have we forgotten the field day the media had with that?

    Others would argue that Bill Clinton’s high-profile role in the campaign is an excuse for the media’s behavior. However, why is it acceptable for Obama’s wife to actively campaign for her husband, but not acceptable for former President Clinton to support his wife? And why would his involvement ever provide justification for cruelty from the media?

    Jung gives us a way to understand how we can be so unaware of the actions of ourselves and of others. He used the term the “shadow” to explain how difficult it can be to discover one’s hidden feelings or thoughts. Like our own shadow, we can only see the unconscious indirectly and sometimes not at all. As we turn, it distorts or slips out of our sight. That is why the role of the media is so important. We need objectivity, honesty without distortions. Instead, the media have modeled inequities through hate-filled, aggressive and demeaning language.

    Our country narrowly defines women. When women pursue their own ambitions, they must do so in the narrowly defined way that our society has sanctioned, otherwise many people are threatened.

    Some men feel challenged by a strong woman such as Clinton and may feel the need to dominate her in an aggressive, demeaning way. Women who identify with male-centered values may be disgusted by a strong woman and may seek to put a strong woman in her place with insults. This is what we see played out in the media. It is even more transparent in live news programs and discussions which allow for a more unguarded, spontaneous example of these dynamics.

    The media have modeled, in a perverse way, that strong, knowledgeable women are unlikable and should not bother to run for president because they too will be treated in the same way that Hillary Clinton has been treated. During these primaries, the media have told our little girls, our sisters, our wives, our mothers, “Don’t bother to run for president; they will just chew you up and spit you out.”
    Deborah Atkinson, Ph.D., is a psychologist who lives in Fayetteville.

    w w w . fayobserver. com/ article?id=291138

  248. Published on Sunday, April 13, 2008 in a NORTH CAROLINA PAPER!!!!!!! (HOPE THIS HELPS HILLARY WIN NC!!) 😀
    fayobserver dot com

    SEXISM IN THE PRIMARIES

    Since our election primaries began, I have become increasingly concerned over the media’s reaction toward Hillary Clinton. Rather than honor their duty to report accurately apart from any personal prejudices and biases, the media have frequently lost their ability to objectively report on the Democratic debates.

    Why?

    As a clinical psychologist, I look to the psychiatrist Carl Jung, who said in the years following the Holocaust that people should not fear looking at the unconscious, but instead be fearful of failing to do so. The unconscious refers to behaviors, feelings or thoughts that are outside an individual’s awareness or outside the awareness of groups and societies. This is important because the unconscious can be a powerful force when it involves toxic conflict and emotions such as fear, anger or envy, especially because these emotions can be accompanied by behavior that harms others.

    As a psychotherapist, never have I been so convinced that we need to heed Jung’s warning.

    I believe the media’s reaction is a reflection of the widespread sexism that simmers within our society. And even though Americans want to think of themselves as enlightened, I believe we are not.

    Simply put, sexism is discrimination against women. Sexism is attitudes, conditions or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

    It happens when the news media dissect Sen. Clinton’s every gesture, comment and mood. For example, journalists trade comments on her likability — is she unemotional (“cold”) or too emotional? They talk about the unacceptability of her laugh (“cackle”) or the tone of her voice (“shrill”). Yet, these same journalists overlook the physical aspects of the male candidates. For example, no one ever comments on Sen. Obama’s widely placed ears or how he cocks his chin up in an arrogant sort of way when he talks. They never mention that one side of McCain’s face is larger than the other or that he must read his favorite quote by George Washington from a card because he can’t remember it. No, that would be cruel.
    Embedded bias

    Sexism can also be embedded in what is not said. It happened during the early debates, when Clinton was ignored by the facilitators while Obama and Edwards tripped over themselves to support each other. The news commentators never addressed these dynamics or the Obama and Edwards alliance that left Clinton out of the discussion.

    Sexism happened again t recently during NPR’s interview of Sen. Clinton. The commentator asked Clinton how she reacted to the cable news and others’ pronouncement that “She has no way to win unless she wins ugly.” Clinton reacted by pointing out that the question itself was a double standard. She said Obama could be asked the very same question, as he was in the same situation, but only she was asked.

    Some may argue that media coverage has been more aggressive and more detailed simply because of Sen. Clinton’s past high-profile history. However, even during Bill Clinton’s presidency, Hillary was mistreated. Donnie Radcliffe’s book, “Hillary Rodham Clinton: A First Lady for Our Time,” addresses the media’s dislike of Hillary in the chapter, “They Shoot Candidates’ Wives, Don’t They?” The chapter addresses the media’s reaction when Hillary did not fit the stereotype for a first lady. And remember John McCain’s cruel joke at a 1998 Washington GOP fundraiser: “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” Have we forgotten the field day the media had with that?

    Others would argue that Bill Clinton’s high-profile role in the campaign is an excuse for the media’s behavior. However, why is it acceptable for Obama’s wife to actively campaign for her husband, but not acceptable for former President Clinton to support his wife? And why would his involvement ever provide justification for cruelty from the media?

    Jung gives us a way to understand how we can be so unaware of the actions of ourselves and of others. He used the term the “shadow” to explain how difficult it can be to discover one’s hidden feelings or thoughts. Like our own shadow, we can only see the unconscious indirectly and sometimes not at all. As we turn, it distorts or slips out of our sight. That is why the role of the media is so important. We need objectivity, honesty without distortions. Instead, the media have modeled inequities through hate-filled, aggressive and demeaning language.

    Our country narrowly defines women. When women pursue their own ambitions, they must do so in the narrowly defined way that our society has sanctioned, otherwise many people are threatened.

    Some men feel challenged by a strong woman such as Clinton and may feel the need to dominate her in an aggressive, demeaning way. Women who identify with male-centered values may be disgusted by a strong woman and may seek to put a strong woman in her place with insults. This is what we see played out in the media. It is even more transparent in live news programs and discussions which allow for a more unguarded, spontaneous example of these dynamics.

    The media have modeled, in a perverse way, that strong, knowledgeable women are unlikable and should not bother to run for president because they too will be treated in the same way that Hillary Clinton has been treated. During these primaries, the media have told our little girls, our sisters, our wives, our mothers, “Don’t bother to run for president; they will just chew you up and spit you out.”
    Deborah Atkinson, Ph.D., is a psychologist who lives in Fayetteville.

  249. Sorry forgot to say that Sally Quinn is on MSNBC talking to Mika and Joe.

    Democratic Party is Toast in November if Obama is the nominee.

    btw Sally is said, the audience treated Hillary like a visit by your mother and the applause for Obama was the difference between night and day.(paraphrasing)

  250. filbertsf Says:

    April 13th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
    When I was young and didn’t have the strength to over-power the adults who hogged the remote control, I saw a movie with Doris Day as Annie Oakley.

    Then last year, I caught a biopic of Annie Oakley on A&E. Let me just say Doris Day’s Annie Oakley ain’t the real Oakley. That woman was tough as nails and she didn’t sing.
    *****************************************************
    Filbertsf,

    Doris Day played Calamity Jane not Annie Oakley.

  251. Morning Joe just played in full all the comments made by both OB and HC in order and just how it happened over the weekend
    I can’t help but think how this will help Hillary……for voters to see and hear them all in the same 2 minutes puts it all in context and show’s how obama is “trying” to keep his nose above the water…AND….how HRC never said BO was “elitist” but she only said his comments “SOUNDED ELITIST”………big difference!

    but we all know he IS ELITIST………..bastard!

    Morning JOe still on this subject 😀

  252. It was painful to go to CNN to watch the Forum,last night.The hired gun C.Brown,was the usual biased moderator that Wolfe likes to call “The Best Political Team on Television”.Her treatment of Hillary was absolutely shocking.CNN really rigged this event to try to embarass her and favor Obama.Even the crowd was fixed that allowed them to cheer everytime Obama open his lying mouth.Folks this was Television viewing at its worst but neverless a clear win for Hillary.
    Hillary was relaxed,informed,direct,honest,precise,humble and spoke without a stumble and with such remarkable clarity.C. Brown adjusted her earpiece while getting instructions from her producer to rush Hillary out and not give her time to thank her audience because we can’t keep BHO waiting.What a disgusting event by CNN,to promote the 08 BARON MUNCHAUSEN from Chicago.
    I can see why Obamas did not pursue a Legal career.Teleprompters are not allowed in courtrooms and without one he is grunting,stuttering,pausing,blinking,trying to make things up as he goes along.Hillary chose public service after law school.Obama chose the IL gravy train senate seat where he could serve REZKO and train under Uncle Jeramiah Wright and MO could make a ton of money as a lobbyist for the Hospital Group she represented.Sad day for American politics is here and nothing that is revealed about his past and his future will have any effect on his cult and his endorsers.They will support him and follow him on his campaign,like maggots to spoiled Boloney.

    By an angry ABM90

  253. Good Morning, all.

    Thanks moonpluto for posting those great news headlines. 😀

    I tried pulling up the link but couldn’t find it.

    How about THIS for a t-SHIRT????

    ANNIE OAKLEY FOR PRESIDENT

    😀

  254. ABM,

    I think Ozamba should go do a reverse Ronald Reagen: Let him go from politics to acting. I’m sure he would be a huge hit in Hollywood.

    About the horrible coverage – I don’t think there’s anyone who’s been watching the coverage that doesn’t realize how one-sided it is.

  255. WOW!
    Morning Joe guest saying the Clintons feel Ozamba is unelectable because he’s become a caricature of himself.
    Quoting MO’s comment on Ozmaba reflecting inherent elitism . . . That her husband would “Deign to enter this messy thing called politics”
    Ozamba in danger of becoming Dukakis.
    Joe saying BC is obviously NOT -elitist, having come from Arkansas, grown up in Arkansas, gone to Oxford and then come back to teach law in Arkansas . . . and that as a southerner he really had his finger on the pulse of blue collar dems.

    I’m happy. 😀

  256. ABM90 love you post but I think CNN will be the one that will have the lasting backlash. What they did to Hillary Clinton last night was just down right rude, crude and offensive…do lacking in grace and respect very telling on that company’s character.

    Barack Obama broke the first rule of Democratic presidential politics: never let on that you believe rural American voters are hicks straight out of Deliverance. Unfortunately for The Chosen One’s adoring fans, he could not have picked a worse time to reveal his contempt for average Americans.
    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26004&s=rcmc

  257. do we have email addy’s for CB and CNN??

    we need to make our opinions of their rudeness last night heard loud and clear

    all you here that write on blogs I sure hope you all write about CNN’s blatant rudeness shown last night

  258. Carby,
    Love that article.
    Now we have a NEW term.
    Hick-Gate.
    hahahaha
    Hollywood shying away from Ozamab. Uh-oh – maybe he DOESN’t have a future in acting, afterall.
    74% to 55% drop in approval for Oprah after endorsing Ozamba and this was BEFORE the Wright controversy.
    Saying Oprah has to bring Ozamba on her show and publicly ‘spank’ him the way she did with James Frye, author of the fraudulent A Million Little Pieces.

  259. Plural,
    here’s a sample of what was said. hehehehehe.
    Ozamba says:
    ‘She’s running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment, she’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley! Hillary Clinton’s out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday, she’s packin’ a six shooter! C’mon! She knows better. That’s some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds.”
    Read up thread for some classic one-liners and zingers from the Big Pink crew. :mrgreen:l

  260. hi Basil,

    I love the Ozamba bit. Did you make that up? I want to add to the well wishes for your recovery that came in last night. Stay well. The battle is just getting warmed up. It’s a long way yet till November. Pace yourself. Hopefully we can meet up at the inauguration in January.

  261. djia,
    I have those addy’s somewhere but I gotta get outta here for Dr. visit and will look when i get back if you still need them.

  262. Hey, Paddy.

    Thanks for the well wishes. Didn’t mean to say that but i feel so comfortable here it just slipped out.

    Ozamba – a blending of Obama and the ZOmbie Nation – was coined, I believe, by moonpluto. (But it might have been Bluedemocrat.)

    What a brilliiant crew! 😀

  263. He says Americans are clinging to religion and guns out of bitterness at job losses in the 1980s, and he thinks she shouldn’t be allowed to criticize him over that?

    Does he have a clue which country he’s running for president of?

  264. Morning Idunn.

    How ya doing?

    Major Garrett on FOX saying PA is almost an assured HRC victory and that Ozamba lost ground, even in NC.

  265. OMG!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

    THIS IS PRICELESS!!! ( sorry about the caps……but you have to see this!!)

    Obama: Jedi Master (cartoon video)

    h t t p : / / videos.newsobserver.com/index.php?a=player&id=1816319

  266. Hahaha.
    MSNBC asking an HRC supporter in PA if voters there are bitter and he’s saying,
    They’re bitter about the Ozamba comment saying they’re bitter.”
    Alex Twitt trying to SPin it as being overplayed by HRC.
    She asks are believers really offended by those comments and the guy says of course.
    Alex probably needs a Nevada Margarita right about now. Twitt STILL trying to defend Ozamab and expalin away the bitter comment and saying it’s accurate but it may be the wrong word choice.
    Oh Pulleassssse! I really expect these anchors heads are gonna explode

  267. I’m doing okay, Basil.

    How are YOU doing? Caught that you’re having some health issues. I’ll keep you close in thought and prayer. In the meantime: TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!

  268. sorry – continued- got cut off previous post.
    Twitt quoting from the Scranton news endorsement of Ozamba and the guy on the phone laughing his butt off. He’s a GREAT HRC surrogate.

    Twitt sounds exhausted as she goes on to the next story.

  269. Idunn,

    Thanks. it just slipped out coz I love this place and I’m in the LAST WEEK of 18 MONTH TX and I am THRILLED!!!!!!!!!

    Seeing HRC fight has inspired me on many levels. 😀

  270. snobobama is going at it this am

    taking a shot at HRC when talking about how pols will do and say anything to get votes

    some will even show up at the pub with camera crew and throw back shots and a beer………..this is rich coming from the from the guy that just bowled a 37 in PA trying to get votes!!!

  271. What I don’t get is why ANYONE doesn’t understand why Bambi’s words were offensive. The way I see it, he made those comments DIRECTLY about myself and my husband.

    We cling to our guns because we’re “bitter”? Ummmm, no. We don’t CLING to our guns at all. What we CLING to is our 2nd amendent rights. Thankyouverymuch. Our guns are simply a tool we use to put food on the table.

    We cling to our religion because we’re “angry” and “frustrated”? Again, no. We don’t CLING to our faith, we celebrate it.

    And sure enough, Bambi went out of his way to imply that we backwoods hicks have real problems with people who aren’t JUST LIKE US. Wrong again! We don’t have a problem with individuality. If we DID, we wouldn’t fight so hard to keep people like OBAMA from stripping us of OUR rights to be individuals.

    The man is a moron. Seriously.

  272. Basil9 – 18 months is a long time! Congratulations on finishing strong. Your His44 family is sending good thoughts and wishes your way!

  273. Hillary will speak live 11am est at same place obama is now speaking at

    will be live via CNN website for those of you without cable tv

    I sure hope she hit’s him over the head with his bowl-o-pander for votes 😀

  274. About trade –
    John Fund of WSJ says Ozamba has been caught in a lie, he’s been caught with his ‘rhetorical pants’ down regarding his position on trade.

    That it exposes the fact he’s a rookie and is giving Dems pause.

    I’m trying to get dressed and get outt ahere. 😀

  275. text of Hillary — good for her:

    Now, like some of you may have been, I was taken aback by the demeaning remarks Sen. Obama made about people in small town America. Sen. Obama’s remarks are elitist, and they are out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans. Certainly not the Americans that I know — not the Americans I grew up with, not the Americans I lived with in Arkansas or represent in New York.

    You know, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it’s a matter of Constitutional rights. Americans who believe in God believe it is a matter of personal faith. Americans who believe in protecting good American jobs believe it is a matter of the American Dream.

    When my dad grew up it was in a working class family in Scranton. I grew up in a churchgoing family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith.

    The people of faith I know don’t “cling to” religion because they’re bitter.

    People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich. Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe.

    I also disagree with Sen. Obama’s assertion that people in this country “cling to guns” and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration. People of all walks of life hunt — and they enjoy doing so because it’s an important part of their life, not because they are bitter.

    And as I’ve traveled across Indiana and I¹ve talked to a lot of people what I hear are real concerns about unfair trade practices that cost people jobs.

    I think hardworking Americans are right to want to see changes in our trade laws. That¹s what I have said. That’s what I have fought for.

    I would also point out that the vast majority of working Americans reject anti-immigration rhetoric. They want reform so that we remain a nation of immigrants, but also a nation of laws that we enforce and we enforce fairly.

    Americans are fair-minded and good-hearted people. We have ups and downs. We face challenges and problems. But our views are rooted in real values, and they should be respected.

    Americans out across our country have born the brunt of the Bush administration¹s assault on the middle class. Contrary to what Sen. Obama says, most Americans did much better during the Clinton years than they have done during the Bush years.

    If we are striving to bring people together — and I believe we should be — I don’t think it helps to divide our country into one America that is enlightened and one that is not.

  276. We now know that Obama can’t claim to be Ronald Reagan, despite some “Democrats” fervent hopes.

  277. Let’s do a “virtual” phone banking party from 7-8. We can all call PA and then reconvene at 8:00 to compare notes – calls made, HRC supporters, etc.

    It helps turns voters out when they make a commitment to someone on the phone. They also liked to be thanked for their support.

    C’mon……Who’s in?

  278. Morning, winners! Realclearpolitics has several links for some smart analysis of condescension-gate. I urge you all to get a cup of hot tea and curl up with your kitty for some engaging reading. Then distribute these links far and wide. We are in deep, deep trouble if we nominate Barack.

    As one of the articles notes, we are doing Barack a favor if we focus in on his use of “bitter.” “Bitter” isn’t the worst of it.

  279. I think we can all agree that we have turned a very big corner. There is change in the air. Isn’t this great? I don’t mean that victory is assured. The Dark Side (no pun intended) will not just roll over and give up. But there has been a shift in the Force in our direction. And it’s about time. Everyone here, both contributors and readers, have been such loyal souls. I have often thought about Idunn putting all that positive energy out there for Hillary. I am a firm believer that thoughts are things. Thoughts are the creative force of the universe. They are the Living Force (whatever name you want to give it) put into reality on our level. So now people all over America are thinking new and different things about Hillary. Respect, admiration, and maybe even some love. (And some not so good things about Ozamba). This is the power that will overcome the Dark Side. I can feel the difference all the way from Beijing. I think you all can too. Annie get your gun!

  280. This place is SOOOOO addictive. (really the last before Dr.)
    The issue of Ozamba’s ‘elitism’ strikes right at the heart of media bias toward HRC. WHO has been criticizing her so shamelessly but the Latte Liberal Crowd or the BOBO’S (Bureaucratic Bohemians) which make up 90% + of BM anchors and reporters.
    This HAS to make them uncomfortable. THIS is a BRILLIANT way to turn the tables, not only on Ozamba, but on the press.
    Since THEY identify so strongly with Ozamba, they must be wondering if they’re included in the ‘elitist labeling and if so, i wonder if they’ll try to distance themselves from that perception as furiously as they tried to distance themselves from claims of racism.

  281. basil

    The fact that on “morning joe” today they all had “starbucks” coffee cups in front of them speaks volumes to latte sipping liberals 😀

  282. I’m back at work so I can post now. I don’t know why I can’t post from home. At home, I have no problem getting into Taylor Marsh, now this morning for the first time, I can’t get into her site. I am just getting a grey screen.

    Anyway, I’m up to calling PA for 1 hr tonight at 7pm. We have to stay on this and now is the best time to call.

    ******************************
    Ann Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 9:53 am
    Let’s do a “virtual” phone banking party from 7-8. We can all call PA and then reconvene at 8:00 to compare notes – calls made, HRC supporters, etc.

    It helps turns voters out when they make a commitment to someone on the phone. They also liked to be thanked for their support.

    C’mon……Who’s in?

  283. Obama’s arrogance and stubborness will do him in. He is handling snobgate all wrong. He should have just apologized and moved on. Now, he is so contorted, one can’t keep up with him.

    His comments last night about Annie Oakley and Hillary makes him look petty, angry, desperate and he looks like a bully hitting on Hillary who sounds calm and like the grown up fighting for the regular folk.

    I think that Sen. Casey will be hard pressed to defend him.

    I want to see Gov. Rendell and more of Mayor Nutter who was great Sunday on the stump talking about this.

    Does someone have Bill, Hill and Chelsea’s locations today?

  284. @rick

    here’s what i think about the polls and the “math”

    none of which account for the % that *uck with polls when polled……..how many say they will vote for mc cain but actually wont?

    none factor in things yet knowns like snob-gate that could actually cause Hillary to win far more states and far bigger wins than they are predicting…….and I highly doubt even a 1000 people can accurately reflect what 1 million people will do….its highly speculative especially when they over sample AA or under sample women? or over sample white men? etc etc

    if they would be polling evenly in all demographics they would be much more accurate to say the least.

  285. Overall, among all voters nationwide, McCain is viewed favorably by 54% and unfavorably by 43%. Obama’s ratings are 48% favorable and 50% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 46% favorable, 51% unfavorable (Rasmussen)

  286. Look at Hussein Obama’s unfavorable rating. It took Hillary years to get 51%, and now the fresh face Hussein Obama is already at 50%.

  287. what a great NC FRONT PAGE article on Big Dawg and Hill 🙂 it covers BC campaign stop there last friday

    rrdailyherald.com/articles/2008/04/14/front/front.txt

  288. Idunn: Have not heard from you… I was getting concerned, are you doing well?????

    yeah, I’m okay. Just getting over a serious bout of bronchitis. And they have me on breathing treatments which makes me feel loopy. But I’m good. Thanks for asking.

  289. This was posted by silverscreen at tm. If true it it is an argument not for the anti-war soros obmaniacs but for the sds because the republicans will use it against him if we are studid enough to make him the nominee.
    ———————————————
    We need to get it out there that Obama’s part of his speech that was cut out was saying that he thought the resolution best serves the security of our nation.

    I never knew about this before at all. To me this is huge and changes everything in regards to his stance on the Iraq war.

    So, the resolution that Hillary voted for, he says best serves the security of the nation. WTH! People NEED to know this.

    How come Hillary hasn’t brought this up? Did she not get to see that part of his speech? I’m sure if she had this information she would surely use it in her bid for the nomination.

  290. this greenville paper has a section,its a blog area, seems to mostly have HRC posts that are ALL favorable 😀 and all accept comments 😀 reflector.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/communities/drpolitics/

    but about half way down is a video(you tube) of MO talking in NC………asking for “thoughts?”

    please go watch the video and let’s have a discussion on her words…..

    here is a shortened link to the you tube video h t t p : / / tinyurl.com/6ndmhf

  291. Carbynew,

    “Sorry forgot to say that Sally Quinn is on MSNBC talking to Mika and Joe. Democratic Party is Toast in November if Obama is the nominee.”

    Did Sally Quinn say this?

    That would be significant sign the true establishment was jumping off the bandwagon.

  292. Anyway, I’m up to calling PA for 1 hr tonight at 7pm. We have to stay on this and now is the best time to call.

    ******************************
    Ann Says:

    Great Tiburones……..who else

    April 14th, 2008 at 9:53 am
    Let’s do a “virtual” phone banking party from 7-8. We can all call PA and then reconvene at 8:00 to compare notes – calls made, HRC supporters, etc.

    It helps turns voters out when they make a commitment to someone on the phone. They also liked to be thanked for their support.

    C’mon……Who’s in?

  293. If Obama had his way primaries would be done away with. A caucus is just as good a way to measure the will of the people. Let’s have Zogby run them for all 50 states, just pluck 1000 people off the street in each state let them caucus, throw in a margin of error and you have the results nationwide in one day. No fuss, no muss, the will of the people complete with a margin of error. It would save the campaigns a lot of time and money, that half a billion dollars they are spending could be used elesewhere. Oh wait, that half a billion is being spent in small town america. Don’t worry about it this is Obama’s plan so screw small time America.

  294. Media accused of bias against Clinton

    By Edward Luce in Washington
    Published: April 14 2008 03:00

    The US media have abandoned all pretence at neutrality in the Democratic presidential contest and are heavily biased towards Barack Obama and against Hillary Clinton, according to Ed Rendell, the governor of Pennsylvania.
    Mr Rendell, who has endorsed Mrs Clinton for the Pennsylvania primary which takes place next week, alleged that US media bias against the former first lady was “the worst [instance of favouritism] I have seen in my 31 years in politics”.

    In an interview with the Financial Times, Mr Rendell said the only mainstream programme that had offered Mrs Clinton positive coverage was Saturday Night Live , the comedy show. In February it aired a skit in which journalists were depicted offering Mr Obama a pillow and continually asking whether he was comfortable.

    “The media has drunk the Kool-Aid with Obama . . . they have fallen in love with the message and the messenger,” said Mr Rendell. “Clearly the producers of Saturday Night Live agree with that view.”

    Mr Rendell, who predicted that Mrs Clinton would win Pennsylvania by a margin of between 5 and 9 percentage points, singled out MSNBC, the 24-hour news channel owned by NBC, for particular criticism. He joked that Keith Olbermann, who hosts an unabashedly opinionated evening show, “has to be on the Obama payroll” and that MSNBC was the “Obama campaign’s official channel”.

    He also cited an instance where Brian Williams, an NBC anchorman, had congratulated an NBC reporter after he confessed he found it hard to remain objective covering Mr Obama’s campaign because his appeal was so “infectious”.
    “They don’t even pretend to be objective,” said Mr Rendell. “The media dislike the Clintons and harbour a lot of resentments against them.”
    Mr Rendell also alleged that the media in general, including newspaper editorials, had “bought” the Obama campaign’s argument that Mrs Clinton had to win next week’s primary in Pennsylvania by a 15 per cent margin or more “otherwise she will have lost the primary”.
    “Nobody wins Pennsylvania by double-digit margins,” he said. “So why are they setting the bar impossibly high for Hillary Clinton?”

  295. want to have a discussion with NC???

    it’s buzzing on snob-gate!!

    h t t p : / / discussions.reflector.com/list.php?3

  296. Blu Dem:

    rendell: “Nobody wins Pennsylvania by double-digit margins,” he said.

    I cant wait for Hillary to then set the bar extremely high by breaking the record in PA 😀

  297. The Rassmusson headline says 56% disagree with Bambis condescending comment to his elite friends about Americans who live in small towns–

    Then the obvious question is how many agree. Well, that number is buried in the text: 25%. They are arrogant elist head up their ass fools–

    And then 19% are not sure (what day of the week it is, what their name is, where they were born, whether their alien captors will let them out of the spaceship and give them their brain back)–

    The real headline here is the one they did not print: Americans Repudiate Obama Comment 2 to 1

  298. MCCAIN: ‘HILLARY CAN STILL PULL IT OFF’;
    SENATOR PREFERS CLINTON CONTEST
    Mon Apr 14 2008 10:46:19 ET

    **Exclusive**

    Republican presidential hopeful John McCain has confided to his inner circle that Hillary Clinton may yet be the Democratic nominee, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, a development the senator from Arizona would personally welcome!

    “Look, I know something about long odds, they had me written off last summer,” McCain explained over the weekend, according to a top source.

    McCain would prefer to go up against Clinton in the general election, insiders reveal.

    He has instructed his campaign staff to “chill out” on countering Hillary Clinton’s torrent of claims and promises as primary voting comes to end over the next 6 weeks.

    McCain made the tactical decision to downplay Clinton’s tale of Bosnia sniper fire, leaving some McCain staffers frustrated and perplexed.

    Instead, the critical focus has been on Barack Obama. McCain’s official website features 14 press releases taking on Obama since the first of the year, only 3 for the former first lady.

    Developing…

  299. “They don’t even pretend to be objective,” said Mr Rendell. “The media dislike the Clintons and harbour a lot of resentments against them.”

    Yes, they said Bill couldn’t win in ’92, and he did, and it went on from there.

  300. its small and out to the side on drudge but did you see this??

    americanresearchgroup.com/ Hillary 20% lead in PA!!!

    April 14, 2008 – Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference
    Pennsylvania Democrats
    Mar7-8 Mar26-27 Apr5-6 Apr11-13
    Clinton 52% 51% 45% 57%
    Obama 41% 39% 45% 37%
    Someone else 1% 2% 4% 2%
    Undecided 6% 8% 6% 4%

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.

    Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters).

    Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older.

    10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

    23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama’s advertising is causing them to support Clinton.

  301. OBAMA SPEECH MONDAY: ‘They’ll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer’… Developing…

  302. I enjoy Watching Joe on MSNBC sparring with Mika a wanna-be anchor with her forever tight sweaters and undying love for The great black boloney peddler.I switch channels when his guests are announced.CNN also a RNC mouthlet and getting worse by the day
    .Please someone,send Cafferty a lifetime supply of EX-LAX.He looks and acts like CONSTIPATED PAIN RIDDEN Victim of OBAMA’s ROTTEN BOLONEY. Boycott them all and their sponsers.
    Hillary,continue to hold your head up high,we are so proud of you and the strengh you show.The glass ceiling will soon explode and you will be our 44th and first Woman President in spite of the atrocious acts of theMSM.Go GIRL.WE NEED YOU because

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE “

  303. americanresearchgroup.com/ Hillary 20% lead in PA!!!

    April 14, 2008 – Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference
    Pennsylvania Democrats
    Mar7-8 Mar26-27 Apr5-6 Apr11-13
    Clinton 52% 51% 45% 57%
    Obama 41% 39% 45% 37%
    Someone else 1% 2% 4% 2%
    Undecided 6% 8% 6% 4%

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.

    Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters).

    Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older.

    10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.

    23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama’s advertising is causing them to support Clinton.

  304. ‘They’ll promise you anything, give you a long list of proposals and even come around, with TV crews in tow, to throw back a shot and a beer’…

    Now THAT doesn’t sound like hope, does it?

    Sounds like cynicism, and desperation.

  305. Check out this new poll from ARG. When they polled on Apr 5-6 it was even 45-45%. The poll done Apr 11-13 shows it 57-37% Hillary:

    americanresearchgroup.com/

  306. # birdgal Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    ARG has not been very reliable.
    ****************************

    I’m thinking they are more right on than the others atleast more HONEST (except susa)

  307. I had a sneaking suspicion big damage has been done in PA, but a massive shift in a few days is huge.

  308. Brilliant
    the ladies on the view talked about throwing away 400 dollars gambling, buying gems online and taking a limo to a new york nightclub then with the exception of hasselbeck defended bambi’s statements.

  309. WTF!!! Hillary was cut off , and its not even carried live on the websites now either

    that is such biased Bull s*it!

  310. Just don’t want you all to think that you shouldn’t phone bank in the day time. It’s highly effective.

  311. follks, I’ve found that my blood pressure does a lot better if I don’t watch tv. Do a blackout .. for every piss off by the media do something constructive. Hillary and the folks know what is going on.

  312. “Sorry forgot to say that Sally Quinn is on MSNBC talking to Mika and Joe. Democratic Party is Toast in November if Obama is the nominee.”

    Did Sally Quinn say this? Anybody?

  313. Spread that youtube, guys. It’s DEAD-ON as to how this is being seen by small town Americans.

  314. Ooh Fox are going at Obama, painting him as angry, their website headline is “OBAMA LASHES OUT”.

    THE COMMENTS ARE FAR FROM GRACIOUS TOWARDS HIM EITHER

    Comment by BarbaraT
    April 14th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    All “small town people” are bitter everywhere, so are “big town” people! We’ve all lost industry and jobs whether you’re from Penn. or Georgia. That gives no one a license for passing judgment on religous ideals, 2nd amendment opinions, or accusing bias against immigrants or anyone else who is “different” from us. It WAS elitist, insulting, and condescending, and he won’t undo this one by shaming Hillary or McCain or anyone else. This wasn’t about policy, this was a personal insult to millions of us as individuals.

  315. More GE polls that indicate Hill is stronger against McCain…

    General Election:
    McCain vs. Clinton
    Rasmussen Tracking
    McCain 47, Clinton 43, Und 10
    McCain +4

    General Election:
    McCain vs. Obama
    Rasmussen Tracking
    McCain 49, Obama 42, Und 9
    McCain +7

  316. We are really close to a potential blow out in PA….let’s help lock it in.

    Let’s do a “virtual” phone banking party from 7-8. We can all call PA and then reconvene at 8:00 to compare notes – calls made, HRC supporters, etc.

    It helps turns voters out when they make a commitment to someone on the phone. They also liked to be thanked for their support.

    C’mon……Who’s in?

  317. CBS News : via Email “the horse race”

    Monday, April 14, 2008
    The Angry Campaign

    A party that charged into campaign 2008 with such high hopes and unity has slowly become a rather angry one – or at least one that’s become about anger. The hullabaloo over Barack Obama’s “bitter” comments is just the latest example of it.

    Speaking to a group of high-end donors at a private fundraiser in San Francisco last week (when will candidates learn that nothing is “private?”), Obama sought to explain the economic frustrations of voters in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania by explaining they had been promised things by administration after administration with nothing to show for it. “It’s not surprising, then, they get bitter,” Obama explained. “They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Hillary Clinton and various Republicans were quick to jump on the comments, shouting “elitism” and calling Obama out of touch with average Americans. (Check out CBS News’ From the Road blog for a superb recap of all the blow-by-blow action from the weekend on the campaign trail). And with upcoming primaries in states like Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia and even North Carolina, you can expect to hear a lot more about it.

    But the anger ascribed to small-town Americans by Obama was not a new element for the campaign. Such feelings have been an undertone to it almost since the primary season began. When Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s controversial statements hit the Internet and airwaves, it was largely about anger. Obama’s much-heralded speech on race in the aftermath of that flap included the direct acknowledgment of the anger that remains in both black and white communities.

    Black leaders demonstrated part of that when Clinton campaign surrogates were seen as playing the race card with comments made around the South Carolina primary. It’s not just race and economic anger either. Geraldine Ferraro’s controversial comments have demonstrated the frustrations at least some women have felt though the campaign about the treatment of Clinton’s candidacy.

    When the campaign began over a year ago, Democratic activists were angry as well, but theirs was directed toward a president and administration and the unpopular war in Iraq. Historic candidacies from Obama and Clinton – surrounded by a cast of well-liked characters in the field – were supposed to be the antidote to all of that. But the longer the campaign has gone on, the more the divisions within the party itself have come to the foreground. That’s what politics does.

    Plus: PA Sen. Casey reaches out to blue-collar voters for Obama; Democrats walk through minefield on question of beginning of life; Keystone state will almost certainly be back in the spotlight soon enough; Clinton’s new ad in NC and Bill Richardson says his loyalty is to the former president, not the New York Senator. In today’s Horserace.

  318. Henry, yeah, this is what Obama usually does.

    He starts spritzing the Endorsement-scented FeBreeze around every time he lets one rip and stinks up the joint.

    But I think even an entire HazMat team is not going to be enough to clear the stench of this one.

  319. the best part of that, is that obama campaign is now the “Angry campaign”

    Obama is now getting the “angry” attachement ……LOL 😀 YEAH!!

  320. Just heard from hillary responders. there are a bunch of articles that they want us to respond to. I have the articles and the links……anyone want to participate?

  321. Answer me just one question: why would anyone who is not delusional TRUST Obama on anything????

    Put differently, where is the evidence that this guy is anyone other than someone with alot of shady friends, big words and no resume. And personal issues like arrogance., elitism and racism.

    This is a media fraud not unlike the Wizard of Oz or in this case the Wizard of ORD. Is the Party, much less the American People so delusional and unconcerned about their future that they would flirt with the idea of turning over to this emptysuit?

  322. Ok, this is getting to be hysterical. Obama doesn’t know when to stop. I loved Clinton’s Phil Singer response….too funny indeed. He needs to stop talking but this will only help Hillary so keept talking.

    h t t p ://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/14/obama-mocks-clinton-throwing-back-a-shot-and-a-beer/

    *******************************
    Clinton ‘throwing back a shot and a beer’
    Posted: 11:25 AM ET

    Watch Obama’s comments Monday.

    PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) — Barack Obama furthered his recent criticisms of Hillary Clinton Monday by mocking the fact that she recently “threw back a shot and a beer” in front of the media.

    After first saying too many candidates are only giving voters “rhetoric,” the Illinois senator said, “They’ll promise you anything. They’ll even give you a long list of proposals. They’ll even come around with TV crews in tow and throw back a shot and a beer.”

    The shot came Saturday at Bronko’s Restaurant in Crown Point, Indiana. With the national media in tow, Clinton made a stop there to drink a beer and speak with voters. After ordering her beer the bartender asked, “You want a shot with that Hillary?” After some deliberation, Clinton settled on a shot of Crown Royal, a Canadian whiskey.

    But Obama is not totally in the clear himself when it comes to photo-ops at bars. The White House hopeful nursed a beer in front of cameras with Pennsylvania senator Bob Casey at a sports bar during his Pennsylvania bus tour on March 28. He has since mentioned that moment of drinking in front of audiences on the trail in the Keystone State.

    Responding to Obama’s comments, Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said, “With all due respect, this is the same politician who spent six days posing for clichéd camera shots that included bowling gutterballs, walking around a sports bar, feeding a baby cow, and buying a ham at the Philly market (albeit one that cost $99.99 a pound). Sen. Obama’s speeches won’t hide his condescending views of Americans living in small towns.”

    Clinton has been hitting Obama hard over his recent comments saying decades of lost jobs and unfulfilled promises from Washington have left some Pennsylvanians “bitter” and clinging “to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    On Sunday, Clinton called the comments “elitist, out of touch and frankly, patronizing,” and added, “You know, the Democratic Party, to be very blunt about it, has been viewed as a party that didn’t understand and respect the values and the way of life of so many of our fellow Americans

  323. I think that Sen. Casey will be hard pressed to defend him.

    Sen Casey is TOAST! Just like the rest of the dems that support Obama…unless they wise up and start putting space between Obama and his WORDS..the electorate is going to place blame on them too because of their association/endorsement of Obama.

    Let’s not kid ourselves the Republicans are going to run this into the ground and “tar and feather” the whole democratic party with this mess and nothing the MSM do except Fox, will matter because MSM has lost credibility with the voters. Most voters just see the news media as propaganda tools of the main political parties.

    After this election I don’t think the media could elect a dog catcher, this is how bad it is. If it wasn’t for the internet and individual bloggers I really think the MSM would have been more successful in their propaganda campaign, that’s why it’s so important to have a vibrant and diverse information network with opportunity for many view points to be heard.

  324. “He starts spritzing the Endorsement-scented FeBreeze around every time he lets one rip and stinks up the joint.”

    That’s just incredibly descriptive, Hill4TX

  325. What did WSJ say about BO and trade?

    No one cares who the Steeler’s owner endorses. I could give a crap who Bob Craft endorses.

  326. Bill Richardson loyalty doesn’t run very deep it seems. He wasn’t man enough to return Bill Clinton’s phone calls. Why am I surprised he is still wanting “15 minutes of fame”…

    I was harsh in my earlier comment but I just hate a panderer and those of such low class.

    Richardson is Judas and he’ll carry that label for the rest of his life.

  327. ok….here’s a couple….

    FoxNews: Obama Lashes Out at ‘08 Opponents Over ‘Bitter’ Reactions

    Excerpts:

    Speaking at a forum of the Alliance for American Manufacturers in Pittsburgh, Obama said Clinton and McCain “are singing from the same hymn book,” when they call him elitist, but in actuality, he’s the one that is being honest about the impact of the global economy on small towns.

    He also took a stab at Clinton, who tossed back a shot of Crown Royal while talking with Indiana voters on Saturday night.

    “Now it may be that I chose my words badly. It wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last. But when I hear my opponents, both of whom have spent decades in Washington, saying I’m out of touch, it’s time to cut through their rhetoric and look at the reality,” he said.

    “If those same candidates are taking millions of dollars in contributions from the PACs and lobbyists, ask yourself, who are they going to be toasting once the election is over?” Obama asked.

    to comment: just h t t p

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/14/obama-accuses-08-opponents-of-being-washington-insiders/

  328. # wbboei Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Answer me just one question: why would anyone who is not delusional TRUST Obama on anything????

    Put differently, where is the evidence that this guy is anyone other than someone with alot of shady friends, big words and no resume. And personal issues like arrogance., elitism and racism.

    This is a media fraud not unlike the Wizard of Oz or in this case the Wizard of ORD. Is the Party, much less the American People so delusional and unconcerned about their future that they would flirt with the idea of turning over to this emptysuit?
    **************************************************************************************
    this is a great comment to post all over 😀

  329. Another one they want us to comment on…..

    The Morning Call: Obama’s vision is reason to nominate him
    Editorial Board

    Excerpts:

    In fact, while both candidates are members of the same U.S. Senate, Sen. Obama is the one who has distinguished himself as the better agent for changing Washington.

    Finding common ground is the key, and Sen. Obama is better able to do that than Sen. Clinton. She has become a polarizing figure, an image that stems in part from the bitter partisanship of Washington during President Bill Clinton’s administration. It was not for nothing that the journalist James B. Stewart called his book about the politics of those years ”Blood Sport.” That rancor was not primarily Hillary Clinton’s fault, but it is real, it persists, and her campaign so far has not dealt effectively with quelling it.

    Sen. Clinton has made much of her ”ability to lead” on day one in the Oval Office. Past experience like hers is one thing, but leadership also depends on having a vision, plans to pursue that vision, and an ability to inspire others to follow.

    http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/ourview/all-a.6348993apr13,0,87.story

  330. Breaking story from San Francisco newspaper, re: Obama “clinging to religion” controversy. Turns out a blogger broke the story, and Obama’s handlers are furious:

    ——–
    Undercover blogger taped Obama’s blunt remarks

    Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross
    Monday, April 14, 2008

    Sen. Barack Obama’s remarks at a not-so- media-free San Francisco fundraiser taped by blogger

    Presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign has been in full damage control mode since the senator’s blunt remarks about the nature of small town Pennsylvania voters were secretly recorded by a Huffington Post blogger at a recent San Francisco fundraiser that was supposed to be off limits to the press.

    Obama, asked last Sunday why it was so hard for him to reach blue-collar voters, said that many had been overlooked economically and that “it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton pounced on the comment over the weekend, calling it “elitist and divisive.”

    An Obama campaign insider tells us the blogger, Mayhill Fowler, had tried to get into one of two Obama fundraising events in the Bay Area a couple of months back where former New Jersey Sen. Bill Bradley stood in as a proxy.

    She was turned away, even though she had offered to pay, says our source.

    “There’s a very basic (fundraiser) rule – you don’t let press in, and anyone with an interest in reporting shouldn’t get in,” said the source.

    Just how the MP3-wielding Fowler managed to secure an invite to the $1,000 a head fundraiser at the San Francisco home of developer Alex Mehran wasn’t immediately clear – but Obama campaign higher-ups were said to be livid, with fingers pointing at a local fundraising consultant for the slip-up.

  331. Another one….keep in mind that they focus on the negative articles so that we can get a fast, rapid response that shows support for HRC….

    The Courier Journal: Ask Hillary
    By David Keppel

    Full Blog Post:

    As Kentucky and Indiana voters get a chance to meet Senator Hillary Clinton, they should ask her about tax returns that she released on April 4 showing that she and former President Bill Clinton earned $109 million since he left office.

    Most Americans, whatever their economic background, have no problem with successful entrepreneurs. But when a once-and-future political couple make tens of millions speaking to often wealthy interest groups at home and abroad, citizens must wonder whether clients thought they were paying for a little more than insight.

    Also notable is what The New York Times has called, “Mr. Clinton’s partnership with Ronald W. Burkle, the billionaire investor and supermarket magnate, whose deals have included investing money for the government of Dubai and acquiring a stake in a Chinese media company.”

    Another example of the Clinton campaign’s confusion of public and private is top strategist Mark Penn, CEO of the consulting firm Burston-Marsteller. On March 31, Mr. Penn met the Colombian Ambassador to the United Nations to advise him how to push a trade deal through Congress that Senator Clinton publicly opposes.

    Money and politics are a toxic mix in any candidate, and the Clintons have taken it too far.

    http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080414/OPINION02/804140385

  332. Thanks Ann, I did my part 😀

    did you all see this post of mine earlier??? it’s really worth seeing and passing around 😀
    ********************************
    OMG!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

    THIS IS PRICELESS!!! ( sorry about the caps……but you have to see this!!)

    Obama: Jedi Master (cartoon video)

    h t t p : / / videos.newsobserver.com/index.php?a=player&id=1816319

  333. hey all

    read somewhere that Obama requested to meet with audience members during the faith/compassion forum on CNN yesterday toward the end of the show and it was granted – yet Hillary was ‘shoo’ed’ out at the so called GRAND enterance of Obama’s. This is wrong and skewed on behalf of CNN and this needs to be confronted.

  334. LMAO! Hillary hub has pics of Obama bowling and feeding the cow, since he slammed Hill for drinking a beer and taking a shot.

    Oh, he is such a panderer, while turning up his nose and pointing his finger at her for pandering.

    The pics are hilarious. So much for the great Obama moooooooooooo-vement.

    http://www.hillaryhub.com/

  335. Stolen from a Taylor Marsh poster, but sing along with me, Hillfans!

    “Snob-a-roni, the San Francisco treat!”

    (You have to be old to remember that commercial and jingle.)

  336. speaking about P Rico…….if this is any indication, it will not be good for snob-o-rama 😀

    this was on MSM in PR

    check it out!

    h t t p : / / larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/04/11/obama-attorney-steps-in-it/

    In the attempt originating with the web site DAILY KOS to do damage control over my interview with the Puerto Rican TV Show SuperXclusivo on April 9, 2008, a San Juan Puerto Rico Attorney named Andres W. Lopez decided he wanted to appear via telephone on the same show the next day and make some pretty strong statements, especially the one that I am a really ill person. Well Mr. Lopez, thank you for your assistance.

    also

    ADDED BY LARRY:Mr. Lopez presented himself as the legal representation for the Obama Puerto Rican campaign and yes he did state he represent Obama in Puerto Rico, or that is how he was introduced. I spoke with the lady from WAPA who contacted me asking me for my interview and she stated that they went with this after receiving information from the internet.

  337. Nancy Grace Show continues to beat Campbell Brown HAHA!

    8pm .. Nancy Grace if you don’t go for OReilly!

  338. Sounds like the Puerto Rico newscasters seems to go after the news instead of turning the heads to it, or make up news like ours does!

  339. justmeinmountdorafl,

    That was awful how they had BO come out and then Hill had to leave.

    They’re simply despicable.

  340. Did he really buy a ham, wonder why he chose a ham? You know Muslim don’t eat anything from a pig, so if he bought a ham, he was just trying to prove he wasn’t a muslim!

  341. The SD need to seriously consider what Mary Matlin said yesterday on MTP and not just write if off as coming from a republican:

    “He’s not the candidate that he’s promised to be. This is a very important point. We know he’s not been vetted properly because every week something comes out. He’s–hasn’t been tested properly. He’s never run a tough race like this. The reason it’s important that he said it so poorly is because he holds out the promise of being the “great articulator,” the “great communicator” of the new Democratic Party. And when he’s under–he, the, the longer he goes, the more he’s exposed, and this is not an isolated incident, to be a not particularly overwhelming candidate. And that’s when there’s really no issues. You’re not fighting over issues. Wait till he gets up against John McCain where there are real issue differences.”

  342. Hillary needs to make those comments about Obama herself. EIther that or Bill Clinton. The news won’t report any counter-words from Hillary’s campaign unless they come from Hillary herself.

  343. Any talking head who thinks it is not fair game for a politican to go after an opponent when he makes a base discriminatory comment about his fellow Americans, which bear directly on his state of mind and give some clue as to how he might govern should GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE BUSINESS. Because in that case that talking head has become so warped in his or her perspective that her or she can no longer do the job entrusted to them and is nothing more than a reichsminster of lies.

  344. I found this posted comment over at TM……I love it! pass it around when commenting on articles 😀

    The first part is kind of funny–pokes fun at Obama’s hope and change image. I suspect this guy is Republican.
    w w w . theboonesun.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view &id=757&Itemid=43

    For The Love of Obama

    “I was so overcome with emotion, I nearly passed out.”

    “Passed out?”

    “The wife and I have been following Barack Obama around the country. Every time he enters a room, the wife collapses into my arms. I have to use smelling salts to bring her out of it.”

    “I see.”

    “He’s quite a presence, that Obama. As president, he’s not only going to change America, he’s going to change the world!”

    “Change? What kind of change?”

    “The kind of change in which he’s going to do things differently — differently than they’ve ever been done before. There’ll be no more same old same old with Obama.”

    “What will his change accomplish?”

    “It will give us hope — lots and lots of hope.”

    “Hope is good. But what will this hope accomplish?”

    “Haven’t you been paying attention? It will help us believe in change! Obama wants us to believe in our own ability to bring about change.”

    “But if you already believe in your own ability to bring about change, why do you need Obama?”

    “Because of the future! Obama is going to make the future bright — he won’t fail as our past leaders have.”

    “Look, it’s true that Obama has charisma and charm. He’s an articulate fellow and he gives an inspirational speech. But before we propel him to the presidency, would you mind if I asked some hypothetical questions?”

    “Bring it on.”

    “Would you rather have a president who believes that individuals will drive America’s success or one who puts all of his hope in the government?”

    “That’s easy. Individual Americans are the reason we’ve gotten where we are.”

    “Would you prefer a candidate who promises to initiate several new government programs or one who promises to restrain government growth?”

    “That’s easy, too. If our government keeps growing, we’ll end up with more regulations and higher taxes and our economy will become as stagnant as the one in France.”

    “OK, then would you prefer a president who will lower taxes for everyone or a president who says he will raise taxes on the ‘rich’?”

    “I’d go with the low-tax guy. Isn’t it obvious by now that low taxes unleash investment and economic growth, which is good for all income levels?”

    “Congratulations. You just voted AGAINST Barack Obama.”

    “I did?”

    “Look, Obama has been getting a free pass on his policies. Nobody seems to care what they are, but when they are examined in detail, the picture is not very pretty.”

    “It’s not?”

    “All you have to do is go to Obama’s Web site, BarackObama.com, to see what he is promising to do. Take global warming. Obama believes man is the cause of it and he’s got a host of ambitious mandates and programs he will push if he becomes president.”

    “He does?”

    “As for taxes, he says he’ll lower them for working families but that he’ll raise them on the ‘rich.’ The unfortunate reality, however, is that the ‘rich’ are the ones who invest in new businesses. By raising their taxes, he will impede investment and impede growth.”

    “He will?”

    “Go ahead and visit his Web site and you’ll see the word ‘expand’ all over the place. He likes the word ‘create,’ too — as in create new government programs. He’s got lots of ideas to grow the government.”

    “I didn’t know that.”

    “There are some who are saying Obama is an empty suit — a relatively young fellow whose work history has mostly been as a politician. But the truth of the matter is that he’s not an empty suit at all.”

    “What is he?”

    “If elected president, he is a fellow who may be successful in implementing ambitious, big-government policies. He’s telling us exactly what he wants to do, but people are more interested in his charisma than his ideas. So do you still want Obama to be president?”

    “But he’s tall and eloquent and dresses so well. He’ll make a fine president.”

  345. here’s a little joke that made me smile…

    A teacher in Elmira, New York asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans.

    Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.

    The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different…again.

    Little Johnny said, “Because I’m not an Obama fan.”

    The teacher asked, “Why aren’t you an Obama fan?”

    Johnny said, “Because I’m a Republican.”

    The teacher asked him why he’s a Republican.

    Little Johnny answered, “Well, my Mom’s a Republican and my Dad’s a
    Republican, so I’m a Republican.”

    Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, “If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?”

    With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, “That would make me an Obama fan.”*

  346. Hi everyone,

    How is everybody this morning 🙂 It is hotter ‘n hell here in southern california. Iut not any hotter than it is for Mr. I hate small town America this morning 🙂

  347. Jake Tapper: Obama Spin Level of Difficulty: 9.7:

    April 14, 2008 9:08 AM

    Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is trying to explain his comments about small-town Pennsylvanians to the San Francisco crowd as a clumsily-worded compliment.

    Obama told the Winston-Salem Journal “If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that. … What I meant was something that I don’t think any of us can argue with, which is that people feel abandoned after 20 or 25 years of plants closing, jobs not coming back. People feel like Washington’s not listening to them, and as a consequence, they find that they can only rely on the traditions and the things that have been important to them for generation after generation. Faith. Family. Traditions like hunting. And they get frustrated.”

    Ah, yes. Those wonderful traditions.

    Faith.

    Family.

    Bigotry.

    Xenophobia.

    Because, let us recall, Obama said that, small towners, faced with economic hardship and a dismissive Washington, DC, “get bitter” and “cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    The proud traditions of small town America.

    – jpt

  348. confloyd, her site is up, but she said it’s not loading on IE

    I use mozilla firefox and have no problems, it’s free, and its much faster than IE too 😀

  349. Greetings all.

    What a weekend! Just checking in now to say this is our TURNAROUND.

    Everyone who can should PHONEBANK.

    Visibility counts. Wear a button, wear a sticker, put up a sign. I’ve been stoppped several times this weekend wearing my Hillary button. When asked all I say is:
    “Hillary is my hero!”
    Its a great conversation starter. Within minutes, I have a new phonebanking volunteer.

    Sign up for http://www.hillaryresponders.com Take action. Lets blow out PA and the remaining states.

    Now is the time to give Hillary Clinton the kind of comeback she will give America

    GO TEAM HILLARY

  350. I bet Bambi hates Norman Rockwell too. The easier question is what is there about this country (besides himself, Rezko, Reverend Wrong and Bombadier Ayers) that he does not hate. If we start from that end the list will be shorter.

  351. Unrelated but related; WTF?!

    WASHINGTON — Rupert Murdoch and Sam Zell, two media figures who led major newspaper acquisitions in recent months, are among four new members joining the board of directors of The Associated Press, it was announced Monday at the news cooperative’s annual meeting.

  352. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    Carby,

    Did Sally Quinn say that on MSNBC?
    *******************************************
    Yep!

    I gave you the short version because the fix was in at CNN on how they treated her…she kept talking on and on at how the audience applause was sedate for mother and how excited and happy for Obama.

    I couldn’t watch this mess for long because Sally was brought out to talk about the Pope visit as she is a religion reporter these days, but right away she started talking about last night forum on faith and politics.

    These guys make me sick on how they taint even a discussion on faith.

  353. comment on TM this am.

    Hill on Fox, When BO was explaining to a small group of donors in SF why some people in Pa and other places aren’t voting for him, instead of looking at himself he blamed you
    lyn | 04.14.2008 – 11:30 am | #

  354. So that Drudgereport of Hillary with McCain, and she’s wearing a bullet proof vest and army helmut – they wait until after the Bosnia flap to release this kind of stuff. Figures.

  355. okay, this is just hill arious… from huffpo…

    *******The long delayed Wesley Clark for VP echo chamber has finally begun. On June 15, 2007, I made the first noise on the McLaughlin Group: “The Democratic presidential nominee, no matter who he or she may be, will choose General Wesley Clark as the vice presidential nominee.” The first echo occurred today on Meet The Press when Bob Shrum said Barack Obama will pick someone with a military background “and I think Wes Clark might be it.”

    I’m not counting my own echo of myself in last week’s New York Magazine where I laid out the rationale for Clark’s inevitability — Obama needs military experience on the ticket to counter McCain and, as a strong Hillary supporter, Clark provides something of a unity ticket for the Democrats.

    The silly season of TV talk about Obama-Clinton, Clinton-Obama tickets is almost over. There was general agreement on Meet The Press today that Obama will consider military experience in choosing a VP. James Carville foolishly suggested Anthony Zinni and other politically untested generals. That will continue now that the conventional wisdom has settled on the military angle for VP. But no former general other than Wesley Clark will make it onto the short list in the end.

    Yes, Clark was a bad campaigner in 2004. So was every other Democrat who lost the nomination to John Kerry. Clark has learned enough since then to survive a two-month, one-debate vice presidential campaign.

    An Arkansas Democrat with a good smile, a great looking family, and career military experience — that’s what VP inevitability looks like. It seemed so obvious to me ten months ago that I rushed to get my prediction recorded before everyone else was saying it. Turns out I had more time than I thought.

  356. Carby,

    So you’re confirming she said this part;

    “Democratic Party is Toast in November if Obama is the nominee.”

    Because if so it is highly significant, much more so than any endorsement, etc.

    She’s the matriarch of the Washington establishment.

  357. another TM post today

    Hillary has answered the first question in NC in her new AD

    h t t p : / / blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/04/14/151153

    I think this was a very good idea because the campaign is calling everyone that sent in a question.

    Anyone get the feeling that this feels like Hillary is running for GE? People are getting to hear her plans and solutions. By the time we get to the GE people might no longer believe in anything the MSM says.
    listen | 04.14.2008 – 11:47 am | #

  358. Blue Democrat Says: She’s the matriarch of the Washington establishment.

    I think that’s only in her mind.

  359. this made me LOL

    “Snob-a-roni, the San Francisco treat!”

    I am going to be singing that old Rice-a-roni jingle all day 😀

  360. Maybe so Nikki.

    Not to beat it to death, I’d just be surprised if
    BitterGate finally flipped a switch with these numnuts….

  361. Please don’t post stuff that assumes BO will be the nominee. Why would Carville even entertain that? I would be very disappointed if Clark signed on with that loser.

  362. Rush Limbaugh is positively GIDDY today. He is slamming Hillary but body slamming Obama. Most of it is for Obama.

    Talk show will stay on this and he hasn’t even gotten to Rev. Wright.

    I can just see Bill O’ and Hannity running with this ball. All to funny, the SD will be stupid to come out and endorse Obama.

  363. Obama counter attacks by placing Obama supporters at Hillary’s events.

    Pennsylvania crowd jeers Clinton attacks on Obama

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/14/pennsylvania-crowd-jeers-clinton-attacks-on-obama/

  364. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    Carby,

    So you’re confirming she said this part;

    “Democratic Party is Toast in November if Obama is the nominee.”

    Because if so it is highly significant, much more so than any endorsement, etc.

    She’s the matriarch of the Washington establishment.
    *********************************************
    No, sorry…I was talking about two different things.

    Sally Quinn is STILL a Hillary Clinton Hater and in the tank for Obambi.

    My reference to Sally had to do about CNN and how they had the fix in about Obama but his character deficient self could even talk about faith based on the word…he’s more about the church home and the people, then about the teaching of the Bible and the WORD.

    Sally was talking about the Pope visit and Obama’s clarity on the subject and how the audience love the “annointed one” vs Mother Clinton.

  365. Correction:Obama but his character deficient self could NOT even talk about faith based on the word…he’s more about the church home and the people, then about the teaching of the Bible and the WORD.

  366. How could any self decribed religion expert think BO has any credibility after attending an extremist church for 20 years?

  367. The great problem in this election is the media. Pat Buchanan made a comment on McLaughlin Group yesterday that Hillary has taken a beating from the media, he has not seen the likes of it since Nixon, and he is proud of the way she does not surrender but keeps coming back.

    Juxtapose that against other comments on that show that Hillary is a confirmed Christian of the Methodist persuasion, lives and breathes her religion and wants to promote social justice in the world.

    And add to that comments by Jack Jermond late of the Baltimore Sun, namely that these the media looks for any excuse, any reason, indeed any pretext to savage her–even if they have to invent one.

    What you are left with is one burning question which should be asked to someone in that snarling wolf pack:

    What exactly has she done that merits this persecution–because that is really what it is.

    In a sense it is like the Western where a drunken lynch mob of people who take courage from eachother and come armed make their way down the street to the sheriff’s office and demand a lynching.

    If the sheriff is like Burt Lancaster he walks up to them and says well there are enough of you. All it takes is someone with the courage to die first.

    In the present context why doesnt someone press that question to someone like Russert, or even this ninny Campbell Brown (you know you have got an elistist on your hands when they’ve got two last names–like Anderson Cooper, etc).

    My inclination would be to load the question up a little bit by getting first asking them to explain why their opinion is any more valid than anyone elses because that forces them to either acknowledge their elitism which they hate to do or acknowledge it which they also hate to do except perhaps at high dollar findraisers in SF.

    Also, there is a rhetocal ploy which could work well when fending off the have you stopped killing babies question wherein however you answer it you lose. What you say is: I dont agree wiht your question.
    Sudddenly they are the ones who are non-plussed.

    Oh my god–can we possibly whistle up Murrow, Brinkley and Chroncite to restore sanity to this ship of fools. Please God is that really asking too much.

    Meanwhile this side of the grave it is high time to take a second look at reinstating the fairness doctrine and breaking up the corporate conglomerates that as in Greshoms law the bad reporting drives out th good, and the courntry is the worse for it.

  368. rjk1957 Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
    Obama counter attacks by placing Obama supporters at Hillary’s events.

    Pennsylvania crowd jeers Clinton attacks on Obama

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/14/pennsylvania-crowd-jeers-clinton-attacks-on-obama/

    How do you know they were placed there by BO?

  369. OKAY MJ,

    first of all, thx for saying ‘please’, when you tell what i can and cannot post…
    i think i can determine for myself, what choices i should make when
    posting…

    second of all carville suggested zinni for obama, not westley clark, and the reason it is funny, is cause they think they can get westley clark in the first place…

  370. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    Carby,

    So you’re confirming she said this part;

    “Democratic Party is Toast in November if Obama is the nominee.”

    Because if so it is highly significant, much more so than any endorsement, etc.

    She’s the matriarch of the Washington establishment.

    No….sally quinn did NOT say that. that was a poster’s comment. SQ said that the applause for BO was much better last night – of course – it was a bunch of kids at a colleget.

  371. Hey, If anyone has a stronger stomach then me, Obama is on MSNBC with his nose in the air talking about his misspoke words in SF but not backing down…he’s talking about globinization effects on small towns and how when the steel mills close down it affects everyone….blah, blah, blah. About his giving a speech on FAITH before he started his campaign…and still not apologizing but blaming Hillary and McCain.

    I wonder who wrote Obama’s words and where is the telepromter?

  372. McCain is now fundraising on Obama’s remarks.

    Email to supporters sent out by McCain just now:


    Dear Friends,

    We’ve all said things that we’ve regretted. Sometimes they result from a mere slip of the tongue and sometimes they reveal deeply held beliefs that you’d rather not communicate to the world.

    A few days ago, at a San Francisco fundraiser, Barack Obama described Americans who live in small towns or other areas that have experienced a loss of jobs as “bitter” people, adding that it didn’t surprise him that they, “..cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    These words are revealing on a number of levels, and expose the out-of-touch beliefs to which John McCain offers stark contrast. Today, John McCain offered a different account of small town America:

    “During the Great Depression, with many millions of Americans out of work and the country suffering the worst economic crisis in our history, there rose from small towns, rural communities, inner cities, a generation of Americans who fought to save the world from despotism and mass murder, and came home to build the wealthiest, strongest and most generous nation on earth.

    “They suffered the worst during the Depression, but it did not shake their faith in, and fidelity to, America. They did not turn to their religious faith and cultural traditions out of resentment and a feeling of powerlessness to affect the course of government or pursue prosperity. On the contrary, their faith had given generations of their families’ purpose and meaning, as it does today.”

    These hard working men and women aren’t “bitter”. They love their country, their faith, their family and their traditions. They are the heart and soul of this country, the foundation of our strength and the primary authors of its essential goodness – Barack Obama should get to know them.

    If Barack Obama is the Democrat nominee in the general election, the American people will have a clear choice between two different visions – Senator Obama’s liberal, elitist philosophy and John McCain’s faith in the small town values that continue to make America great. John McCain will not forget them or write them off. Neither should Barack Obama.

    We are up against a large fundraising hurdle if Barack Obama is the nominee and we need your help now. Even before the general election begins, the differences are clear, we must do everything we can to make sure these beliefs don’t make it into the White House.

    I hope you will make a contribution today.

    Sincerely,

    Rick Davis
    Campaign Manager

    P.S. – Barack Obama’s belief that small town Americans are “bitter” exemplifies the differences in this election. We cannot allow this elitist philosophy to make its way into the White House. Please contribute today.

    Obama is poison for the general. POISON

  373. wbboei,

    “What you are left with is one burning question which should be asked to someone in that snarling wolf pack:
    What exactly has she done that merits this persecution–because that is really what it is.”

    Now you’re hittin’ it. The answer is the snarling wolf pack represents the REAL status quo. always has…

  374. Fuck Obama. Why doesn’t Hillary fire back at his dirty tactics and send protesters outside of all his rallies?

  375. mj

    You think a group that cheers Obama and heckles Hillary just show up by accident? It was no accident and smells of Chicago politics.

  376. lninla Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
    So that Drudgereport of Hillary with McCain, and she’s wearing a bullet proof vest and army helmut – they wait until after the Bosnia flap to release this kind of stuff. Figures.

    Can you get a copy of that picture and send it to the campaign ASAP?

  377. this is just getting ridiculous with this piece of crap, I can’t wait for next week, don’t know if I havethe guts to watch what this week and weekend will bring us from the obamation’s!

  378. Helloe veryone, I was out of the country over the last two weeks. I come back and check the news and what do I find, Obams is out there insulting small-town voters at a fund-raiser in SF. We always knew this guy was arrogant. Now, the public is also learning about it in spite of the media’s best efforts.

    This guy is a disaster for the Democratic party.

  379. so glad though, that when all is said and done, we will have a handful of crying Obambi-babies. If Obama doesn’t lose to Hillary, he will 100% be walloped by Senator McCain and I can’t WAIT to see the look of elitistic defeat and arrogant disbelief on his and his wife’s faces when either happens.

    And I can’t wait to see the Bambi-bots puking in their mouths and crying into their orange juice/beers (for those old enough to drink)

  380. IMO, I’m beginning to think that some republicans would rather Hillary would run against McCain for the simple fact that if McCain doesn’t win, at least Hillary is more to the center. Even though her likablity is an issue with them, they know what they are getting. They are now taking serious note of BHO and his shortcomings, which we have already identified. Of course I am assuming their senses are working correctly by saying this.
    This is why I believe Fox news has been on the band wagon against BHO.

    by the way..Hillary got it..it’s the “CLING THING”

  381. i wonder JUST HOW stupid people can be to still be making excuses and supporting this guy. I think most Obama supporters either have self-esteem issues or are typical procrastinators/enablers.

  382. Dear Ann,

    You’ve probably heard about some of the big changes going on in Hillary’s campaign lately. My name is Geoff Garin, and along with Howard Wolfson, I’m now leading the campaign’s strategy team. My job is to plot the path to the nomination and lay out the strategy that will get us there.

    There are two reasons why I said yes immediately when Hillary asked me to do this job. First, I believe that the Hillary Clinton I know will be a great president who will do great things for our country. Second, I am confident she can win.

    Let me lay out for you the situation as I see it right now. The Pennsylvania primary is approaching — just eight days to go — and a win there will do two things: give us momentum that will carry us through the races that follow, and show that Hillary is still the best choice to beat John McCain in the big, competitive states that will decide the race in November.

    The Obama campaign is outspending us three to one in Pennsylvania. But I’m confident we can win in Pennsylvania, and I know Hillary is too. She is campaigning hard and really connecting with the voters there. The voters in Pennsylvania know that she is the candidate who understands their lives and respects their values, and that every day she will be a president who stands up for them instead of looking down on them.

    If I had to point to two of our best weapons in this campaign, one would be the incredible strength of our candidate, and the other would be the phenomenal role people like you have played in sustaining this campaign, even through some pretty tough times. Everyone from Hillary on down has made sure I know about the vital role her online supporters have played in this race.

    I made a personal commitment to Hillary that her campaign would be as good and as strong and as smart as she is. And I want to ask you a favor to help me keep that commitment. In the days and weeks (and hopefully months) ahead, I want to know what you think — about the state of the race, our campaign strategy, or your ideas for doing things differently. You’ve made an investment in this campaign, and I want your input as we plan the days, weeks, and months to come.

    I can’t promise that I can reply personally to every single message — but I can promise to read them all.

    Click here to send me your comments, thoughts, and ideas about our campaign.

    I’m really looking forward to reading what you have to say, and to working with you to help Hillary win!

    Thanks,
    Geoff Garin

  383. from TM posters:

    sarana
    did you see Queen Donna jump to defend him n that youpolls article??

    Obama used the word “bitter” when he should have said “frustrated,” said Donna Brazile, an undecided Super Delegate who ran Al Gore’s presidential campaign in 2000. “Clearly Obama’s comments were “unartful,” but not inaccurate. Polls show most voters are dissatisfied with the current direction of the country. And politicians have always played on their fears—and used issues like crime, welfare, gay rights and abortion—to draw distinctions without addressing the deep issues that voters care about.”
    ginaswo | 04.14.2008 – 12:34 pm | #

    **************

    That’s the tip off – All of the “undecided superdelegates for Obama” like Donna Brazile must’ve gotten the memo from Axelrod to reframe the quote so it excluded ““cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

  384. anyways, I checked out the Obama board and noticed, immediately, the stark contrast between our board and theirs. Their board has people going “omg, Hillary is so ugly” or “omg, Hillary is so boring..”

    while we criticize obama’s elitism, inability to form coherent sentences without a teleprompter, and his lack of truth/depth in his words.

    And they seriously believe that bosnia-gate was a bigger thing than bitter-gate? LMAO.

    They’re in for a rude awakening come next week 🙂 can’t wait to join their board during the incoming results and see them crying and screaming 😀

  385. This is why McCain would rather run against Hillary. He respects her, and he knows that if he loses to her, the country will be in good hands. It is that simple. It is not a calculation that he thinks she is easier to beat.

    McCain (and Hillary) is honorable and loves his country.

  386. mjs, i have a account with obama.com blog with another name so i take peaks over there to see what they are saying. so hatefull and nasty towards hillary. i do not post there in frear i will be trolled or bannned.

  387. MJS, funny you said that :). I think BHO is so ugly, especially when he has that smirk on this face, and the way he looks at people (as if always looking down), huh, and the purple lips. Don’t know why some people say he is good looking. Anyway, he sucks more as a politician.

  388. Yes, RKJ, my guess is they were BO supporters. But the headline says “crowd”, not some in the croad. And, it doesn’t follow up to see who they are so the media will just pass this on like it is genuine.

  389. jub jub, don’t forget dumbo ears and a toothpick to boot. my wife likes obama somewhat but do not see the attraction whatsoever.

  390. since pundits and Obamabots are slamming Hillary for being critical of Obama’s elitism – what they don’t get is – she’s watching out for the Democrats in the General Election – WE are NOT elitists, and we have to denounce BO’s remarks in order to WIN.

    WTF is going on – these Democratic “Strategists” – STRATEGISTS they call themselves, and they’ve drunk the kool-aid, and completely lost sight of what’s really happening.

    Hillary save us from ourselves!

  391. A new Rasmussen national poll finds 56% of Americans disagree with Obama’s remarks calling small town Pennsylvanians bitter and clinging to G-d and their guns. Only 25% approve.

    45% said Obama is out of touch with small-town Americans and his words show an elitist view of them. (Questions asked and results are here.)

    But it may make more difference in the general election than the primary. Democrats are less offended by the remarks, and liberal democrats, even less so:

    Democrats are fairly evenly divided—34% agree with Obama and 43% disagree. Generally, Obama supporters agree with him while Hillary Clinton’s supporters disagree.

    A plurality of politically liberal voters—46%–agree with Obama’s statement while 33% disagree. Moderate voters take the opposite view and disagree by a 51% to 27% margin. Seventy-four percent (74%) of conservatives disagree with Obama’s statement, only 12% agree.

  392. Fantastic, surgical rebuttal to Obama’s ridiculous “explanation” last of his “clinging to faith” comments, from the Clinton campaign:


    Sen. Obama’s New Spin On ‘Cling’: It Was A Compliment

    After several failed attempts to explain the comments he made in San Francisco, Sen. Obama used tonight’s faith forum to claim that he was actually complimenting small town America for its faith in God and respect for longheld traditions like hunting. But tonight’s explanation isn’t consistent with what he actually said in San Francisco.

    In his actual remarks (which he stands by), he grouped faith and guns in with “anti-immigrant sentiment,” “anti-trade sentiment” and “antipathy to people who aren’t like them.” Presumably, Senator Obama doesn’t think it appropriate to cling to antipathy for others.

    More to the point, the remarks Senator Obama made in San Francisco suggest Americans in small towns don’t have strength to deal with economic realities so they fall back on what Senator Obama implied is a culture that is backward and outdated: guns, superficial spiritual propping up, and emotionalism that stigmatizes people of different backgrounds.

    Sen. Obama on April 13:

    Well, first of all, you know, Scripture talks about clinging to what’s good… What I was saying is that when economic hardship hits in these communities, what people have is- they’ve got family, they’ve got their faith., they’ve got the traditions that have been passed on to them from generation to generation. Those aren’t bad things.

    Sen. Obama’s original comments on April 6:

    Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter)…

    But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

  393. MJS – do you know anything about groups out of Chicago or elsewhere who show up at Chelsea events or Clinton events and ask Lewinsky questions or “boo.”

    Are they paid by the Obama campaign? are they doing this out of their own volition.

  394. for what it’s worth arg pa poll has hillary at 57% to obama’s 37%. they were tied at 45% last week i believe. 1st poll fully post obama’s “bitter”remark and let’s not forget “clinging to guns and religion”. i am a gun owner and i don’t cling to guns becuase of my financial situation. i recieved my conceal carry permit in 1997 at the beginning of bill clintons second term.

  395. Is Rasmussen fucking around with the language here?

    I know BO’s remarks where made in SF, but were they directed specifically at PA?

    I thought they were made in response to a question about why he hadn’t garnered more of the working peoples vote everywhere in the primaries…..

  396. Whoops, forgot the quote;

    “A new Rasmussen national poll finds 56% of Americans disagree with Obama’s remarks calling small town Pennsylvanians bitter and clinging to G-d and their guns.”

  397. God these Obamatrons have got some real reality issues, i mean look at some of the comments, i’ve seen in blogs and on DU and laugh if it wasnt so sad.

    “The media is so in the tank for Clinton, I f^^king hate them!” (I mean hello wtf)

    “they are putting pressure on him its not fair, he only mis-spoke” (wtf again)

    “the media are so unfair to Obama, Clinton has no right to ask him” (hilarious)

    “Hillary is lying, Obama would never lie (ok now we are in lala land)

    Seriously these are what this lot are saying, I mean there is no way back, these guys are brainwashed.

  398. What cracks me up is that when I posted my Six-Guns in a Duck Blind article at politwix.com, I got attacked by a swarm of Obamabots attacking my grammar, punctuation and comprehension skills. Elitist suckers!

  399. If they seriously think anyone is going to buy that shit that it was compliment after Obama peddled it like a whore all weekend they are dillusional.

    Obama’s nothing better than a hooker peddling her wares on a street corner and changing the price when the john doesnt like it.

  400. djia Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
    Anyone get the feeling that this feels like Hillary is running for GE?

    Hillary has been running for GE all along!!!!! That’s why Obama has been able to get more pledged delegates. Hillary has concentrated on the states and demographics that will be important in November. The voters she’s registered, the traditional Dem base, will come out again for us in November and swing some winnable states. Obama’s “Dems for a Day” will either go back to GOP as he suggests, or get outvoted in their red states as usual.

    As someone mentioned, the states with a lot of AAs where Obama has been winning delegates — in November do not even elect AA’s to state offices, they are so outnumbered by GOP.

  401. lninla Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    since pundits and Obamabots are slamming Hillary for being critical of Obama’s elitism – what they don’t get is – she’s watching out for the Democrats in the General Election – WE are NOT elitists, and we have to denounce BO’s remarks in order to WIN.

    WTF is going on – these Democratic “Strategists” – STRATEGISTS they call themselves, and they’ve drunk the kool-aid, and completely lost sight of what’s really happening.

    Hillary save us from ourselves!
    *************************************************
    These are the same LOSERS strategists that guided Gore and Kerry’s campaigns over the clif. So don’t listen to them…they have proven themselves to be “out of touch” with everybody but themselves…the same echo chambers they always talk to.

    It’s time to bring the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE BACK so all POINTS OF VIEWS can be heard and not the same ol’ team of approved pundits from the DC and NYC establishment club.

    Let us not fool ourselves…Small Town USA is all around us and those mayors, city councilpersons, state officials are worried and calling the DNC and Democratic Leaders with their concerns.

    The more Obama try to spin it the worst it is for him…this is not the first time Obama is on video or audio contradicting his public face but this one issue alone can help the republicans take back the SENATE and RETAIN the WHITE HOUSE in the G.E. if Obama is the nominee.

  402. moonpluto,
    You should check DKos (well, not really, but…)

    Everything Obama does gets a diary, “Brilliant __ __ _!”

    Couldn’t be more sickening.

  403. The issue of Ozomba’s ‘elitism’ strikes right at the heart of media bias toward HRC. WHO has been criticizing her so shamelessly but the Latte Liberal Crowd or the BOBO’S (Bureaucratic Bohemians) which make up 90% + of BM anchors and reporters.
    This HAS to make them uncomfortable. THIS is a BRILLIANT way to turn the tables, not only on Ozomba, but on the press.
    Since THEY identify so strongly with Ozomba, they must be wondering if they’re included in the ‘elitist labeling and if so, i wonder if they’ll try to distance themselves from that perception as furiously as they tried to distance themselves from claims of racism.

  404. Blue Dem, i wont set foot on DK, i wouldnt give them the honour, pack of spineless gits, DU i only will go on but makes me sick to do it, since its been virtually taken over by Obama sycophants.

    HI44 is my haven for sanity. I’m telling you now, if they dare give Obama that nomination, i’ll be the first to sign up for a Dems4McCain website because what they have done to the Dem party and HRC is beyond reprehensible.

  405. BlueDem says:A plurality of politically liberal voters—46%–agree with Obama’s statement while 33% disagree. Moderate voters take the opposite view and disagree by a 51% to 27% margin. Seventy-four percent (74%) of conservatives disagree with Obama’s statement, only 12% agree.
    ——————————————————————–
    This is what the party has to come to terms with if it hopes to win presidential elections. Forget about the liberal and conservative voters. Concentrate on the moderates. They are the independents. And the independents are the largest percentage of the electorate now. They disapprove of Obamas statement 2 to 1. That is very bad for Obama. And it is foolish for him to spend the time he has trying to turn chicken shit into chicken salad.

  406. so isn’t it true BO’s remarks weren’t directed solely at PA voters?

    could’ve sworn that was the case – and dont trust Rassmussen of course.

  407. As they say, the centre ground is where its won and lost and Obama just lost that in a spectacular way.

  408. Carbynew – I completely agree.

    Media Matters needs to evolve into Media Matters On Steroids. Basically, we need a format where citizens can participate – even on Hillaryis44 and Taylor Marsh – the comments sections are evolving into just that. Where if we note a pundit saying something wrong, perpetuating a rumor, we contradict with FACTS. Additionally, there are opportunities for letter-writing campaigns toward the networks sponsors, corporate managers and advertisers.

    I would propose some sort of site where you can rank particular pundits, where they are “polled” themselves for honesty, truthfulness.

    We have to get ready for the GE – the same pundits will apply the Clinton rules to everything, and we need to find mechanisms to hold them accountable and for future elections. This is the citizens way of doing it.

  409. I just watched a clip of Shirley MacLaine on the Dick Cavett show from 1972 talking about the election. 1972 was the last time that young voters were as invloved in a Presidential election as they are today. Some of her comments are so like comments from Obama supporters today it is scary. Hear that SD, remember what happened in November ’72? Obama will crash and burn just like McGovern did and it took 20 years for the party to recover from that disaster.

  410. FANTASTIC pics of HRC going door to door in PA.

    Anyone else notice she’s always smiling and it’s a genuine smile?

    HRC site under blogs.

  411. This is good….

    tomwrotethis.blogs.friendster.com/tom_wrote_this/images/barack_obama_superstar.jpg

  412. I didn’t know that about 1972. In 1972 I would have been a young voter except I was so turned off I didn’t register or vote.

  413. BWAHAHAHA! McCain campaign is MOCKING Obama’s ass already!

    McCain adviser Mark Salter responds: “It’s hard to keep a straight face when you’re accused of being out of touch by a guy who thinks the whole country is worried about the high price of arugula or that you hunt ducks with a six shooter.”

    OMG I am laughing so hard, here.

  414. Ann Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
    Just heard from hillary responders. there are a bunch of articles that they want us to respond to. I have the articles and the links……anyone want to participate?

    Thanks, Responders is a great project. I love it that they include links straight to the place to comment.

    For posting here, you might just clip the articles shorter, so we get an idea of what it’s about without it taking several screens of H44.

  415. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    so isn’t it true BO’s remarks weren’t directed solely at PA voters?

    could’ve sworn that was the case – and dont trust Rassmussen of course.

    Yes, the comments were about PA voters. And, yes, Rasmaussen is screwing with the language.

  416. hill4texas,

    ROTF!

    That’s hysterical!

    😀
    didya see the great pic of HRC and McCain in army gear on front page of Drudge??

  417. politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/14/pennsylvania-crowd-jeers-clinton-attacks-on-obama/
    —————————————————————–
    zombies

  418. mj,
    well, no, then Rasmussen wouldn’t be messing around, that’s what they said.

    I (mistakenely, apparently) thought Obama’s comments were in response to a question about why he wasn’t getting more working class votes.
    As his answer didn’t specify PA, then I’d think they applied to ALL small towns.

  419. McCain adviser Mark Salter responds: “It’s hard to keep a straight face when you’re accused of being out of touch by a guy who thinks the whole country is worried about the high price of arugula or that you hunt ducks with a six shooter.”
    ——————————————————————-
    YES, it is.

  420. basil,

    if you read the comments on the 50 people protest at the dnc, they are all mocking the small numbers…

    if this goes off well at the rally’s coming up, let them eat ‘sh*t !!!

  421. Yahoo is at it again. Anytime Hill criticizes BO in the smallest way it’s “Hillary Attacks”. There new headline is “Obama questions Clinton on Trade”. Give me a break. This guy has no credibility to question Hill on anything.

  422. I bet if Obama had to be in military gear like Hillary , he’s probably ask Dior or Gucci to run something up for him, the big girl.

  423. 1950dem,

    Car rush radio and i gotta say the guy comes up with some brilliant bits.

    he did one about Ozamba’s new list of apologies and at the top was one to Annie, her family, her descendents . . . hehehehe

    I still say an Annie Oakley for President T-shirt is called for.

    😀

  424. americanresearchgroup.com/

    23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama’s advertising is causing them to support Clinton.

    LOL! Maybe that’s why she won TX and OH too, where he outspent her.

    I remember around OH or NH people were complaining about too many Clinton ads.

  425. 1950democrat Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    Hm. How do we start an ‘apologize to Annie Oakley’ movement without it sounding like he insulted A by comparing her to H?

    You Can’t! Don’t do that. Hill should wear ythe comparison like a badge of honor.

  426. skmf,

    I didn’t read the comments but I am thrilled to see it’s happening and that it got any coverage.

    FDRjim and crew are organizing up a storm in Florida and hopefully the numbers at those rallies will be huge. The DC turnout might have been small but I’m sure it was loud and I say KUDOS to them for picketing.

    😀

  427. im glad is keeping this alive-but mccain is hittng him hard-just hit obama on arugala in iowa! should hillary let mccain do this more? or should she hit him harder?

  428. No, you want to both be hitting him to negate BO’s media advantage.

    She’s got to keep the pressure on here (she’ll take some media hits in the process, we know this), he’s reelin’….

    The audience is Indys and SD’s.

  429. Since Barack Hussein Obama has been all over TV talking about how he MISSPOKE, I decided to look up the definition of the word.

    Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
    –verb (used with object), verb (used without object), -spoke, -spok·en, -speak·ing.

    1. to speak, utter, or pronounce incorrectly.
    2. to speak inaccurately, inappropriately, or too hastily.
    *****************************************************
    Well I don’t think Obama’s spin is resonating because Obama was answering honestly like he saw it. He was using his judgement to explain why he wasn’t connecting….this same judgement that let him stay in an extremist church for 20 years.

    This will be the same judgement that could be in the White House for four years…hmmm I think not. Just like the race is tightening between Hillary and Obama, if he is the nominee in the G.E. McCain will start looking very, very good to the moderates and the independents and Small Town USA.

  430. YES! I’m so happy, six-shooter in a duck blind is sticking!!! They just laughed at Obama’s camp saying it and now McCain is using it, too! Everyone’s laughing at this “city slicker”!

  431. rjk1957 Says:
    April 14th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    If Obama had his way primaries would be done away with. A caucus is just as good a way to measure the will of the people. Let’s have Zogby run them for all 50 states, just pluck 1000 people off the street in each state let them caucus,

    Dammit, that would be BETTER than the real caucus system. At least it would be a random sampling. Real caucuses exclude the elderly, sick, those with children, those with assigned work hours, etc.

  432. We need to have Rendell mention this and say that maybe Obama just needs more experience of the Pennsylvania lifestyle and publicly invite him to a snipe hunt like HillaryForTexas said last night.

    Ann, please pass this on to the campaign!

  433. I’m glad its not just me that thinks Obama is being made to look like a complete tool and we all know what happens when a male Pres. Candidate starts to look stupid in the public eye, ask, Kerry, Gore, Dole.

  434. If you remove the corporate veil here what you really have in this election is a war between the elites and the American People and the two candidates are really just surrogates for these two groups. The elites have the reigns of power, e.g. the media. But the American People have the numbers. And numbers are the determining factor in a primary or general election (but not a caucus). Therefore, the elites must convince the American people that the candidate who will serve their interests is really good for the American People and the candidate who will serve the intersts of the American People is not the one they should choose. That is what this media attack is all about, and it is up to the American People to get wise to it, unless they are like Senator Casey and take their marching orders from pre-pubisencts.

  435. rjk -good idea. Caucus sampling/polling to see how accurate the caucuses are – when we undercut the tyranny of the minority (who can take 9 hours and 3 weekends off too if they’re delegates, sip their lattes patiently while standing in line for hours, who don’t have children and work shifts to attend to immediately, and who can stand not eating for 9 hours because they’re not in wheelchairs and/or elderly ) over the majority.

  436. Everyone,
    For those who drift around some (like me0 and want to do more for HRC but aren’t the most organized (or, in my case, the most disciplined type) I gotta say FDRjim’s group is easy, accessible and effective.
    He emails you the action item for the day along with form letters, addy’s addresses and who to contact.
    For example, Friday it was call, email and snailmail Ralph Dawson.
    Today it’s the same with Brazille.
    I just have to recommend his efforts. I know they’re aiming at a half dozen Florida rallies and hope to get hundreds of thousands involved.
    So here’s his site for those who are interested in participating.
    Basically, he gives you NO EXCUSES for not doing something! 😀
    http://www.markITelligence.com

    tthe

  437. The way Obama spoke about Hillary being Annie Oakley was so arrogant. His true colors are showing.

  438. I cannot stand bambi, and every time I see him, I just change the channel. I cannot look at this man for 4 years. Thankfully, we won’t have to.

  439. YIKES>

    That’s the wrong addy. 😳

    I gotta get admin to delete it.

    Hold off please ’til I get it right.

  440. just to back up Rezkowatch

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-court-story,0,7957753.htmlstory

    Obama linked to 2004 party at Rezko’s home

    Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama’s name came up again at the Antoin “Tony” Rezko corruption trial and in a way that earlier filings in the case did not telegraph.

    Stuart Levine, the prosecution’s star witness, said he and Obama were at a party Rezko threw at his Wilmette mansion on April 3, 2004, for Nadhmi Auchi, a controversial Iraqi-born billionaire who Rezko was trying to get to invest in a South Loop real-estate development.

    Its making news.

  441. Just pulled up a pic.

    Can’t we send him to hunt something that isn’t so pretty . . .

    🙁

    (Well, as long as y’all eat the poor little things.)

  442. okay dont ask me what i was doing over on ‘gay wired’, but i was chasing an article where the guy was calling for hillary to step out of the race for the good of the party thing; and when i read the comments, i was just delighted.
    not one person, on that blog agreed. they all got pissed and told the person basically to get screwed…
    wow i was impressed, these lgbt people are serious hillary fans, and again i was impressed..
    *********************************************

    Hillary’s in it to Win it.
    Submitted by: solidsista on Sunday, April 13 2008 16:58:09
    Well now, a big decision, who does have the guns to head down that hall and say – “Now you jist git along Miss Hillary. You need to git on back to the house and cook us some vittles, and iron us a shirt or two. you know you can’t be president. That’s a mans job”. Such sexist BS, and from so-called liberals, no less. Why else would anyone ask the person who has won all but one of the DEMOCRATIC states to get out of the race. And here’s little Barry-O. just mis-speaking all over the place, and people are so mean to him. Give me a freakin’ break. The reason he said people from PA are bumpkins clinging to their guns and their god, is not because he mis-spoke. That’s who he is – an elitist bigot. He doesn’t like anyone different from him – unless they come with money for his campaign. He says he is for gay rights, while he whispers that he can’t have his picture taken with the mayor of San Francisco. He spouts love of country while hanging with former terrorists who bombed this country’s national buildings. He’s all about the hope – yep, he hopes we’ll all be fooled into voting for him. He’s real big on change – but, he would have to be a damn magician to morph himself into a believable candidate. So now, all you men who make all the really important decisions. Decide whose going to kick Hillary out of the race. But, you had better send more than a couple of men with a couple of sets of guns, because they’ll have to shoot their way through thousands of her supporters to get to her. She is not going anywhere. The next time you guys feel like pushing someone around, better take on someone other than Hillary. None of you has the guns for the job.

  443. Basil, it is a practical joke:

    A snipe hunt, also known as a fool’s errand or wild goose chase, is one of a class of practical jokes that involves experienced people making fun of newcomers by giving them an impossible or imaginary task. The origin of the term is a practical joke where inexperienced campers are told about a bird or animal called the snipe as well as a usually ridiculous method of catching it, such as running around the woods carrying a bag or making strange noises. Incidentally, the snipe (a family of shorebirds) is difficult to catch for experienced hunters, so much so that the word “sniper” is derived from it to refer to anyone skilled enough to shoot one.[1]

  444. basil, a snipe is a fictitious animal. Sending unsuspecting out-of-towners on a snipe hunt is a practical joke of time-honored tradition in rural areas.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe_hunt

  445. Political implications aside, Obama’s “six-shooter” in a duck blind gaffe has to be one of his funniest blunders so far. It’s so ridiculous that I literally laughed out loud when I heard it.

  446. hillbill,

    I’m not hunting material. I’m the idiot who stops on country roads to pull
    dead deer into the ditches or stops in urban NJ, on highways, to pull wounded groundhogs into the car, bring them to vets, keep them in bathrooms for days while looking for wildlife rehabilitators – you get the picture.
    But I do respect other’s who have an interest in it (as long as the creatures are consumed) and I don’t have to look at images. (Yeah, I’m a vegan).

  447. people at TM talking about Michelle Obama’s stumble in defending BO’s remarks:
    news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/04/14/michelle-obama-fumbles-on-defense/

    Mrs. Obama’s most recent foray into the political wilderness is in response to the unexpected excitement caused by her husband’s unfortunate condescension of bitter, gun-totting, Bible-thumpin’ country bigots in Pennsylvania. Michelle, by way of defending her husband, imparted such gems of wisdom and revelation as:

    We live in isolation, and because of that isolation we fear one another.

    Because Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands that. That before we can work on the problems we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.

    Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual; uninvolved, uninformed.

  448. Clinton Regains Big Lead in Pennsylvania, Says One Poll
    April 14, 2008 10:36 AM | Permalink | Comments (0)

    After a series of polls showing Barack Obama catching up with Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania, American Research Group says Clinton has jumped out to the kind of big lead she had earlier in the race, besting Obama 57 percent to 37 percent. The poll was conducted April 11-13 (the story about the Obama “bitter” remark broke late on the first day of the survey) and has a 4 percent margin of error.

    Clinton has a big 64 percent to 29 percent lead among white voters who comprised 82 percent of the sample. Obama leads 79 percent to 18 percent among black voters (14 percent of the sample). Nearly a quarter of voters say they have been turned off by Obama’s “excessive” advertising campaign which the Philadelphia Inquirer says today has broken records.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Obama’s advertising blitz: What to do with all that excess fundraising money? Annoy people into voting against you!!

  449. So you are out there at midnight in the Bering Sea somewhere past the Pribiloff Islands the wind is blowing about 40 knots and is expected to get worse. You have 30 years in this fishery and know what can happen. The question on your mind is whether to stay out on the fishing grounds pulling pots full of blue king crab or head to the leeward side of an island which by your loran reading is 2 hours away.

    What do you do?

    Simple. You turn to the youngest member of the crew who came aboard your vessel three weeks ago, with nothing more than a pair of hip boots, someone who is still learning the differnence between port and starboard and has twice stepped in the bite of a line and lived to tell about it after the man overboard drill, and you say to him: I am tired of flipping a coin in a situation like this, so I am asking you: shall we stay here or skeedaddle.

    And because he is also a paragon of political wisdom you ask that little fuck up do you really think I should vote for Obama?

  450. But I just pulled up pics of snipes!

    Here’s the link!

    A snipe is any one of 20 wading bird species. Here’s a pic of a female on her nest.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe

    OK. Go ahead and laugh. 😳
    (You DO know I live with 4 parrots?)

  451. so, what michelle obama is saying is that BO is the only one that understands that your bitter, gun-toting, bible-thumping bigotry is because you’re self-isolating ignoramuses and that BO is the only one who can save you from your back-wardness.

  452. basil, it might surprise you to know that many hunters very much love and respect wildlife. I’ve seen a truck full of deerhunters and their dogs stop and move a turtle out of the road. Many of them are active in nature conservation and preservation organizations.

    Hunters don’t lack feelings for animals. Most of them respect nature and animals a lot. It’s the stupid “canned hunt” Cheneys of the world that give hunters a bad name.

  453. Basil, I’m just poking a little fun. Only hicks like me know what a snipe hunt is, don’t feel bad.

    By the way, I’m a real critter lover too, and although I could never hunt (although I fish), I lived on a reservation where hunting supplied meals for winter and people respected the animals for giving their lives to feed that family.

  454. “We live in isolation, and because of that isolation we fear one another.”

    Are these people paranoid?

  455. We have to fix our souls before we can have health care???

    Can you imagine how FDR would laugh at that idea?:

  456. Something I saw up thread made me think of this;

    Maybe if Obama weren’t so inexperienced, had he seen more of our country and the world, he wouldn’t harbor these types of thoughts.

    Maybe he need 8 years to learn more……

  457. Blue Dem – i think these people just project. THEY are the ones living in isolation and bigotry and using hatred and disdain of whites to keep themselves sheltered.

  458. HillaryforTexas Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    basil, a snipe is a fictitious animal. Sending unsuspecting out-of-towners on a snipe hunt is a practical joke of time-honored tradition in rural areas.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&777

    Yes, a “snipe hunt” is a practical joke. When I was a Boy Scout, we always sent the newest kids out on either a “snipe hunt”, or to ask for a “left handed smoke shifter”. But…..ahem… A SNIPE IS A REAL BIRD! Also from Wikipedia:

    $$$$$$
    A Snipe is any of nearly 20 wading bird species in three genera in the family Scolopacidae. They are characterised by a very long slender bill and cryptic plumage. The Gallinago snipes have a nearly worldwide distribution, the Lymnocryptes Jack Snipe is restriced to Asia and Europe and the Coenocorypha snipes are restriced to New Zealand. The three species of painted snipe are not closely related to these, and are placed in their own family, the Rostratulidae.
    &&&&&&&&&

    Now, let’s return back to our regularly scheduled program, The Rise of Fall of the Obitter Empire.

  459. New Florida Poll: McCain crushes Obama by 15 points
    Rasmussen

    New Rasmussen Florida poll: McCain 53 Obama 38

    Clinton 45 McCain 44

    The battle over Florida’s convention delegates may be taking its toll on Barack Obama’s prospects in the Sunshine State. For the second time in three months, John McCain enjoys a double digit lead over the Democratic frontrunner.

    I think Florida is very solid in R column if Obama is the nominee. Jews and Latinos will abandon him in droves.

    Obama more electable my ass.

  460. Hillary Fires Back at Obama — from WaPo — GREAT article:


    Obama Reinforcing Stereotypes, Clinton Asserts

    By Shailagh Murray and Perry Bacon Jr.
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Monday, April 14, 2008; A04

    GRANTHAM, Pa., April 13 — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) asserted Sunday night that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), through his recent description of sentiments in small-town America, reinforced a stereotype of “out-of-touch” Democrats that doomed the party’s past two presidential nominees.

    “We had two very good men, and men of faith, run for president in 2000 and 2004. But large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life,” Clinton said at Messiah College, referring to former vice president Al Gore and Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.). She repeated her view that Obama had been “elitist . . . and, frankly, patronizing.”

    Her remarks came in a nationally televised forum on religious and moral values, which brought Clinton and her rival to the private Christian school just outside of Harrisburg. The discussion represented a remarkable departure from the Democrats’ increasingly harsh tone of campaign rhetoric. Both candidates dropped biblical references and spoke of policy issues such as energy and health care in the context of their Christian faith.

    Obama was questioned at the start of his session about his reference to religion in his small-town remarks — perhaps the most controversial word he uttered. Describing the Pennsylvania political landscape at a private fundraiser last Sunday in San Francisco, Obama told of how people “cling” to such issues as religion and guns when they become disillusioned by hard economic times and by politicians who promise much but deliver little.

    Speaking in a measured tone, Obama stressed that the reference was meant as positive and noted his experience as a community organizer with Chicago churches, assisting workers of a steel plant that had just closed.

    “Religion is a bulwark, a foundation when other things aren’t going well,” Obama said. “That’s true in my own life, through trials and tribulations. And so what I was referring to was in no way demeaning a faith that I, myself, embrace.”

    The forum offered a reprieve for Obama after two days of relentless pounding from Clinton since his comments in San Francisco surfaced. “It’s not surprising that they get bitter,” Obama then told donors. “They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment.”

    Obama has suggested that he phrased his comments clumsily, and earlier Sunday, it was clear that he had heard enough from Clinton. Speaking to a working-class crowd at a union hall in Steelton, Pa., shortly before the forum, he said he expected such an attack from Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican nominee, but not from a fellow Democrat.

    “Shame on her. She knows better,” Obama said of Clinton. He mocked his rival for recalling her childhood hunting experiences on the campaign trail earlier in the day. “She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsman, how she values the Second Amendment. She’s talking like she’s Annie Oakley,” Obama said, invoking the famed Wild West sharpshooter.

    “Hillary Clinton is out there like she’s on the duck blind every Sunday,” he continued, laughing. “She’s packing a six-shooter. Come on, she knows better. That’s some politics being played by Hillary Clinton.”

    Earlier in the day, Clinton seemed frustrated when a reporter asked when she had last attended church or fired a gun.

    “That is not a relevant question for this debate,” Clinton said. “We can answer that some other time. I went to church on Easter, so . . . but that is not what this is about.”

    Sunday night’s forum was organized by the nonpartisan group Faith in Public Life and was attended by leaders of many faiths, along with representatives of anti-poverty groups. The two Democrats appeared separately for 45 minutes, meeting only for a brief and visibly awkward encounter on stage, and answered questions from journalists and audience members. McCain turned down an invitation to participate.

    Clinton declined repeatedly to describe her personal faith and how it informs specific decisions, citing “the way I was raised” and implying that she keeps such matters to herself. Asked why there is suffering, if there is a God, she said, “I can’t wait to ask Him. I have just pondered it endlessly.”

    Asked where she stands on whether individuals should be able to choose to end their lives, Clinton responded, “I don’t know that any of us is in a position to make that choice for families or for individuals, but I don’t want us also to condone government action that would legitimize or encourage end-of-life decisions.” Asked her favorite Bible story, she declared herself “a great admirer of Esther,” a role model of a woman willing “to make a decision, to take a chance, a risk.”

    Both candidates addressed abortion, placing similar emphasis on preventing unplanned pregnancies. Obama was pressed on his comment last month in Pennsylvania that, if one of his daughters were to become pregnant as a teenager, he wouldn’t want her “punished with a baby.”

    “All I meant was, we want to prevent teen pregnancies,” Obama responded. “And what we don’t want to do is to be blind to the possibility that kids will screw up, just like, surprisingly enough, we as adults screw up sometimes.”

    Obama said he would keep open the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives that President Bush created, although he said he would broaden its scope. And he cited global warming as an issue that he would press in order to connect with voters’ religious values. “Having faith, believing that this planet and this world extends beyond us, it’s not just here for us, but it’s here for, you know, more generations to come,” Obama said.

    He also slipped in a plug for Gore, the 2000 nominee who has yet to announce his preference for 2008, and alluded to Clinton’s earlier remark on the same stage. “I know that Al Gore was mentioned earlier,” Obama said. “By the way, I have to say, I think Al Gore won.”

  461. I’m not afraid .. I still leave the keys in my car every night.

    MO needs to shut up, we know what she thinks about us.

    There is no way in double hell I’d vote for them stupid people

  462. hil4texas and hillbill,
    This is why I can’t watch horror movies much less debates or compassion forums.
    I’m throughly embarrassed. 😳
    FWIW, I have spoken to hunters since I’ve been living in the country and I do respect them. I’ve had several long conversations with a couple of neighbors who explained why they hunt, how they ‘harvest’ the animals and use all parts of the carcass or give the venison or meat to soup kitchens. I also love the native american tradition of thanking animals that give their lives so that others can survive.
    :telling myself to STFU: what can i say – don’t ever elect me president.

  463. Obama bomb dropped:

    Obama bomb dropped

    When Tony Rezko held a reception at his home for Iraqi-born billionaire Nadhmi Auchi on April 3, 2004, White House hopeful Barack Obama and his wife were also there, Stuart Levine testified just now at Rezko’s trial.

    Auchi is the man who provided Rezko a $3.5 million loan that Rezko did not disclose to the court — resulting in his January arrest.
    “Mr. and Mrs. Obama were there, were they not?” Rezko lawyer Joseph Duffy asked.
    “Yes, sir,” Levine said.
    Obama and his aides have said Obama has no recollection of ever meeting Auchi.
    Rezko invited Levine to the reception after the two met up with each other during a family vacation in Puerto Vallarta. Rezko had to leave early to arrange for the reception, Levine testified. So Levine offered to rent a larger jet and fly Rezko’s wife and children back to Chicago. That night, they all attended the reception.

    The reception was aimed at getting Auchi interested in investing in Illinois, Levine said.

    Levine testified that Lt. Gov. Patrick Quinn.
    “The governor was no-show?” Duffy asked.
    Levine: “I don’t know that he was a no-show. I seem to recall…”
    Duffy: “Was Gov. Blagojevich present?”
    Levine: “Uh, no sir.”

    That reception has raised questions over whether Auchi should have been allowed into the United States because of legal problems he’s faced overseas. Auchi, who lives in London, was named one of the wealthiest men in the world by Forbes Magazine.

    This is a different reception than one held at the Four Seasons Hotel, where Blagojevich was present.
    Here’s the Sun-Times story on the Rezko-Auchi relationship and the hotel reception

  464. I’m throughly embarrassed. 😳
    FWIW, I have spoken to hunters since I’ve been living in the country and I do respect them. I’ve had several long conversations with a couple of neighbors who explained why they hunt, how they ‘harvest’ the animals and use all parts of the carcass or give the venison or meat to soup kitchens. I also love the native american tradition of thanking animals that give their lives so that others can survive.
    :telling myself to STFU: what can i say – don’t ever elect me president.

  465. Holy Shit

    Hillary is walking away with Indiana

    NEW SUSA

    CLINTON 55% TO OBAMA 39%

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=d8b46eaa-c463-408e-98d2-b830eb122d39&q=45558

    Indiana Men, Democrats, & Young Voters Move Away From Obama: In a Democratic Primary in Indiana today, 04/14/08, three weeks until the primary, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 55% to 39%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WCPO-TV Cincinnati and WHAS-TV Louisville. Compared to an identical SurveyUSA poll released two weeks ago, Clinton is up 3 points, Obama is down 4 points. Clinton had led by 9 at the beginning of April, leads by 16 mid-month. Here’s where the movement is occurring: Among men, Obama had trailed by 2, now trails by 12, a 10-point swing to Clinton. In greater Indianapolis, Obama had led by 12, now trails by 1, a 13-point swing to Clinton. Among Democrats, Obama had trailed by 12, now trails by 27, a 15-point swing to Clinton. Among voters focused on health care, Clinton had led by 10, now leads by 30, a 20-point swing to Clinton. Among the youngest voters, Obama had led by 19, now trails by 2, a 21-point swing to Clinton.

    YUP HE’S FUCKED

  466. Obama has lost Florida also, its collapsing folks, Clinton Wins Florida, Obama loses by 15%

    New Rasmussen Florida poll: McCain 53 Obama 38

    McCain 44 Clinton 45

    The battle over Florida’s convention delegates may be taking its toll on Barack Obama’s prospects in the Sunshine State. For the second time in three months, John McCain enjoys a double digit lead over the Democratic frontrunner.

    I think Florida is very solid in R column if Obama is the nominee. Jews and Latinos will abandon him in droves

  467. “I know that Al Gore was mentioned earlier,” Obama said. “By the way, I have to say, I think Al Gore won.”

    Zeroxing Hill again. She said that several times. He’s such a loser. I mean, a total loser. He never comes up with anything original unless he is taking shots at small towners.

  468. basil

    This is for you…Mad Kane does lots of political limericks.

    Hey Obama Sycophants, Don’t Say We Didn’t Warn You!
    By Madeleine Begun Kane

    “The press is unfair to Barack,”
    Whines the Cult of Obama with shock.
    Loaded questions, contortions
    Of words, and distortions
    Now wrong, cuz it’s their guy they mock.

  469. In Indiana, key indicators of a 20 point swing to Hillary since last week, my god, thats a collapse folks.

    Among voters focused on health care, Clinton had led by 10, now leads by 30, a 20-point swing to Clinton. Among the youngest voters, Obama had led by 19, now trails by 2, a 21-point swing to Clinton.

    Obama’s internals must be in freefall.

  470. hillbilly,

    the naugus are native to scotland, and are hunted liberally, to harvet their skins for the naugahyde.. its good sport, let me know is your interested…

    🙂

  471. I’d love to see Michelle obama’s latest gaffe given the one over and have them pile on her for a change…..don’t worry, Rush andLaura will do that for us tomorrow.

    they are elitist and they think that they have a right to tell us that our souls are broken, wtf?

  472. hey ininla, was busy for a bit.

    I’ll look into whether the obama HQ is organizing this rally fraud stuff, but I’m pretty sure that those “boos” and stuff come from lower level local organizers.

  473. I heard Rush mention today that Obama didn’t know what he was talking about when he said, ‘6shooter in a duck blind’.

    lol! Way to show how elitist and out of touch you are.

    BTW, I do concur with whoever said that there were Obama plants at Hillary’s speech today. Obama at the same event hit her and no boos. so why in a state where she is more popular at the same event, there are boos.

    There were protests at one of obama’s offices yesterday in Pittsburgh shown on the news. They had placards saying, ‘I’m not bitter’. I hope that this catches fire and people start wearing pins and waving signs saying, I’m not bitter!

    BTW, Schnittshow here in Tampa is skewering Obama, I mean,it’s bad!

  474. OH FUCK. YES.

    TODAY IS AN AMAZING DAY IN HILLARYLAND. New SUSA polls and AUCHI + Obama in the same room with REzko!!

  475. What the hell! This is what I wanted to see. The clinton’s spending so much time there and now these bitter comments, once she wins PA by double digits, I think that she can take IN by at least 8-9pts.
    ************************

  476. I want Hillary to BLOW Pennsylvannia, Indianna, and North Carolina OUTTA the water! I want Bambi to start crying during his concession speech after twin losses in NC and IN on May 6th!

  477. I predict Hillary’s lead will ONLY increase. THIS is EXACTLY why Obama campaign is going into panic mode right NOW and having Obama going on the much avoided Offensive.

  478. Guys, don’t get overexcited just yet, Rendell expects a 5-9 point win in PA.

    Does anyone have a link to the Auchi article?

  479. BTW, did you guys hear and see the reporter at the AP conference ask Obama about ‘Obama bin Laden’ and then Obama corrects him, ‘that’s Osama Bin Laden’.

    Priceless, I saw that at home on MEssNBC on mylunch then I just heard it on talkradio news update. lol!

    Regarding the polls, I think this is why they are attacking her, they’re trying to drive up her negatives and remind the public of things that they ‘perceive to be clinton negatives’

    This won’t work. Guys, when you write GArin back, tell him to ask Hillary to continue to do the canvassing in the neighborhoods. That shows her as a real person and that she is not to ‘elite’ to ask for votes. She always comes off well when she does that.

    Also, ask them to continue to focus on the ‘cling’ portion of Obama remarks and mention that Annie Oakly is a compliment to be compared to .

  480. mj – yeah, defending elitism with elitism.

    you’re right, it’s disingenuous. She can’t defend it; she believes it.

  481. mj, rendell is playing the “lowering expectations” game. Obama handed hillary a golden tomato to throw at him, but he didn’t realize this would so badly shake up his softer base. I’m sure OBama still has very loyal supporters, but the Obama-leaners and soft-core supporters of him are definitely fleeing at maximum levels 😀

    THIS IS TOO SWEET.

  482. So how is Bambi doing on the STD front, I mean Stupidly Tanked Delegates.

    I just posted the NEW Indiana SUSA on DU and the Obamatrons are in tears, they say this is devestating swings to Clinton, they now know there is big trouble.

  483. Ya know, so far, so good, but let’s not get too pumped, myself included.

    That’s what Hill says, not too high, not too low….

  484. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
    Ya know, so far, so good, but let’s not get too pumped, myself included.

    That’s what Hill says, not too high, not too low….

    Exactly. Just let’s wait and see.

  485. Basil, don’t be embarrassed!! Snipe hunts are all in fun, and you wouldn’t know about them if you’ve never been exposed. Not a big deal, we’re just having fun.

  486. Chicago Tribune News Trial Report:

    Obama linked to 2004 party held at REZKO home for IRAQI Billionaire NADHMI AUCHI.The canary is singing.Log on to chicagotribune.comnews.

    Obama ,you don’t know what BITTER means but you are about find out,the hard Way.

    By ABM90

  487. This swing was coming anyway. The more they hear stupidObama the more they “fear” HIM and his ELITE asswipes.

    We don’t want a POTUS who doesn’t connect .. he doesn’t connect, never has for me. Some were bamboozled and hoodwinked .. buyers remorse is kicking in

  488. I signed up a while ago on Obama’s website, just to monitor what kind of emails they send out to supporters. Well, they just sent out a request for donations (they send this things out every hour, I swear) and it shows just how flustered that campaign is over Obama’s gaffe about bitter Americans clinging to guns and religion. Even though Obama said last night that he misspoke, and sort of gave a half-assed, stubborn apology, today his handlers are STICKING BY Obama’s comments. And, as always, the Obama campaign purports to know what every American “thinks” about an issue. Here’s the first paragraph of the email:

    ——-
    A few days ago, Barack spoke about the frustrations that working people in this country are feeling and said what we all know is true: that many people are bitter and angry because they believe their government isn’t listening to them.

  489. So help me (I’m extra stupid today:) with this one too…

    “Mr. and Mrs. Obama were there, were they not?” Rezko lawyer Joseph Duffy asked. “Yes, sir,” Levine said.
    Obama and his aides have said Obama has no recollection of ever meeting Auchi.

    It’s Rezko’s lawyer who is asking – and therefore outing – whether Obama was there?
    So is it safe to assume Rezko won’t be doing BO any favors in this trial?

    I’m confused, as usual…

  490. I definitely think the chances of an Obama nomination are 25% now at most while Hillary’s is most likely around 60%. I tihnk many of the unpledged super delegates aren’t so unsure anymore…and I’m betting many of Obama’s pledged delegates from small towns are beginning to have second thoughts too… 😀

  491. From what I have heard, Rezko is feeling like Obama has thrown him under the bus during his time of crisis…so, if eliciting the name of a possible future president can help get him out of jail, you can BET that Rezko will do it.

  492. Moononpluto says: I think Florida is very solid in R column if Obama is the nominee. Jews and Latinos will abandon him in droves
    ——————————————————————–
    That is why I favor a petition that says if we have no right to vote in the primary then we will not vote in the general election. Unless DNC is confronted with that ultimatim now, they will temporize until it is too late and then Florida will be lost. Absent that vote this is a trainwreck in slow motion for the party. Enough said.

  493. Sober moment on Auchi testimony:

    Rezko may bring up 👿 now in an effort to set up testimony later by him along the lines of “Aw, shucks. We had dinner, you guys. That was it. The bad man, the governor, wasn’t there. Just breaking bread, not the banks. *chuckle**chuckle*”

  494. h t t p ://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/04/new-poll-shows.html

    New poll shows Barack Obama tanking in Pennsylvania
    The first fresh poll results from Pennsylvania are in since Barack Obama’s “bitter” comments about people in small towns exploded as a news story, and the findings could hardly be worse for the Democratic presidential contender.

    Intriguingly, the man in charge of the survey said interviews with voters indicate Obama’s tumble in the state has more to do with what the candidate himself has said were ill-chosen words than anything else.

    The new poll by American Research Group — conducted Friday, Saturday and Sunday — gave Clinton 57% and Obama 37% (based on interviews with 600 Democrats, the survey has an error margin of plus-or-minus 4 percentage points). The 20-point margin is all the more dramatic because, just the week before, an ARG poll found the pair in a flat-out tie in Pennsylvania, each with 45%.

    The previous findings had put the race closer than any others. And perhaps the new one exaggerates the bounce Clinton has gotten from the storm over Obama’s remarks at a San Francisco fund-raiser. Other pollsters are in the field in Pennsylvania, and we eagerly await their results (an L.A. Times/Bloomberg poll of Democrats in the Keystone State — as well as in North Carolina and Indiana — will be ready mid-week).

    Regardless, the New Hamphire-based ARG poll, may have identified a tactical worry for the Obama camp above and beyond the current controversy. Dick Bennett, head of the poll, told us today that even before the furor erupted, it appeared many Pennsylvania Democrats began to turn against Obama because they are simply sick and tired of seeing and hearing his ads.

    Much as campaign consultants would be loath to agree, Bennett opined that a candidate “can spend too much money” on an ad campaign, and the saturation of Obama spots …

    in Pennsylvania appear to be a classic example of “overkill” that ultimately does harm.

    Bennett also reported that some of the Pennsylvanians who his company contacted went on to complain about the substance of the ubiquitous Obama ads. They are “about him, not voters or what their concerns are,” Bennett said. And Obama’s comment on attitudes in small towns served to reinforce that feeling.

    — Don Frederick

  495. mj Says:

    April 14th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    Guys, don’t get overexcited just yet, Rendell expects a 5-9 point win in PA.

    *************************
    He said that before SNobgate, I believe. I do think that she will win in double digits around 10-14pts.

    ************************

    We still have a ways togo. Today and all this week would be an excellent time to phone bank. Call PA tonight guys and continue.

    Email Geoff Garin and tell him more Hillary canvassing, she looks aunthentic and one of us asking for votes.

    _____________________
    Indiana will tighten but I do believe barring nothing significant happening, she should win but probably under 10pts.

  496. I thought that I saw somewhere on the net that there was another PA poll with only 3+ for Hill but I believe that was before Snobgate so that should be discarded.

    I expect to see Quinnipeac, Strategy vision out this week. I bet you that Ras and Zoby will have BO within 4 or so.

  497. ADMIN et all……

    ok i someone here was saying they wanted a “annie oakley” photoshop of hillary!

    I think it was blu dem? or dem 1950? anyways…….i just did one!

    its at this link, feel free to grab it and use it 😀

    pbase.com/image/95641578

  498. hi hillfans, that indiana poll is sweet but pa is in the crosshairs. i want a 15 point win for hillary but i will accept a 10 point margin.

  499. terrondt,

    then look at this. it is from talkleft.com

    The new SUSA PA poll is out:

    54 percent would vote for Clinton and 40 percent would vote for Obama. Three percent chose the “other” category. The 1,600 interviewees were questioned for the poll Saturday through Monday.

    SUSA’s site does not have the internals. I will add to this post as soon as we get them.

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