Superdelegate Governor Schweitzer of Montana gets it. The Big Blogs, the Palestinians, Israel supporters, gun control advocates, gun control opponents – don’t hold your breath.
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Tears rolled down our eyes we were laughing so hard. They should have read Obama’s Astroturf from May of last year or the equally illuminating Fo Shizzle It’s Fizzle.
Only now are some Obama supporters realizing what we wrote about hundreds of days ago. Back then, no one questioned why an Obama official, who started social website Facebook, stomped out a grassroots supporter on social website MySpace.
Some websites, at the time, did write about the ugly takeover of Joe Anthony’s Obama supporting website. Most Obama supporters were not troubled by the stomping out of a grassroots supporter. Joe Anthony, to his credit, stopped drinking the Obama Kool-ade.
Yesterday, reminiscent of Joe Anthony, Obama’s Astroturf campaign revealed itself as the total fake it is. Obama supporters, the poor dears, were dismayed.
The hypocritical saga of Obama once again talking out of both sides of his mouth was documented by Hillary supporter Campskunk. Campskunk quotes an Obama supporter surprised by reality:
“By dusk on Wednesday, the California Obama campaign had purged almost all progressive anti-war activists from its delegate candidate lists. Names of candidates, people who had filed to run to represent Obama at the August Democratic Party National Convention, disappeared, not one by one, but hundreds at a time, from the Party web site listing the eligibles. The list of Obama delegate hopefuls in one northern California congressional district went from a robust 100 to an anemic 23, while in southern California, the list in Congressman Waxman’s district almost slipped out of sight, plunging from a high of 91 candidates to 17. Gone were strong women with independent political bases.”
Marcy went on to state that the remaining candidates appeared to be mostly “bundlers and their girlfriends“.
Welcome to the real world kiddies. You just took the red pill.
The Obama campaign is backtracking after dumping 900 or so delegate candidates and is now making more excuses and handing out blue pills. Be not deceived dear Obama incense burners – he’s just not that into you. You will be the first to go at every turn. It’s the “new politics”.
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It looks like Montana Democratic Governor Brian Schweitzer too just spit up the Obama Kool-ade because of two-face Obama. Montana votes on the very last day of the primary season and Governor Schweitzer is much loved in his state and in the Big Blogs. Let the Big Blog hatefest against Governor Schweitzer begin.
Some background on Superdelegate Montana Governor Schweitzer:
He owes the win in large part to his “regular guy” image and conservative stance on guns.
Now, with only three years in office under his belt, Schweitzer, who is neutral in the current presidential race, is sometimes mentioned by pundits as a possible running mate for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. Like the Democratic presidential front-runner, Schweitzer came out early against the Iraq War and has sworn off PAC money.
Despite a political profile that could help underscore the Democrats’ determination to win in traditionally Republican areas, it is easier to imagine the blunt-speaking Schweitzer making his own presidential run in 2012 than it is to see him playing second fiddle this year.
Governor Schweitzer, like Elizabeth and John Edwards, knows Hillary is exactly right on her healthcare proposal and that Obama will leave out millions of Americans from the weak Obama NOT universal health care scheme (Note: Don’t miss Paul Krugman today on Hillary and Health Care):
While Schweitzer has not proposed his own universal health care plan in Montana, he believes Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., is right to have endorsed a mandate on the national level.
By not requiring individuals to purchase insurance, Schweitzer believes Obama’s plan to forbid insurance companies to deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions will lead to healthy people opting out and sick people opting in.
“You’ve got to get everyone in the system,” said Schweitzer.
Oh, dear. The Big Blog boobs will clutch their pearls on this one:
He is dismayed that Obama cast a vote for President Bush’s 2005 energy bill while regularly criticizing the president on the issue.
“Sounds like Senate-speak,” said Schweitzer.
He also takes issue with Obama for his statement to environmental groups last year in which he pledged not to support the development of any coal-to-liquid fuels unless they emit at least 20 percent less life-cycle carbon than conventional fuels.
Schweitzer, who has focused on the development of clean coal as governor, believes the 20 percent benchmark might be achievable. But even if coal-to-liquid fuels cannot be made any cleaner than conventional fuels, Schweitzer believes Obama should embrace coal as a way to reduce U.S. dependence on imported petroleum.
If Schweitzer were running for president, he says he would spend $100 billion on research and development into carbon sequestration technology.
“It sounds like a lot until you consider that we’re spending $1 billion a day in Iraq,” said Schweitzer.
Oh, double dear. Governor Schweitzer is not even happy with Obama on Iraq policy:
Schweitzer supports Obama’s call for an end to U.S. fighting in Iraq. But the Montana governor disagrees with Obama on the wisdom of long-term bases.
While Obama opposes leaving U.S. troops in Iraq to blunt the influence of neighboring countries, Schweitzer sees long-term U.S. bases in Iraq functioning as a “tripwire” against a broader regional war.
As to Obama’s pie-in-the-sky hope to win the west, Schweitzer knows Obama can’t win Montana:
But don’t look for an endorsement until after June 3: Schweitzer plans to back the winner of Montana’s last-in-the-nation primary.
While he thinks either Obama or Clinton running on his or her own has a 50-50 shot of winning the White House against presumptive Republican nominee John McCain, Schweitzer doesn’t think either Democrat can take Montana.
Asked why not, he had a one word answer: “Guns.”
Obama has been multi-faced on Guns too. Obama might have trouble winning a primary, not just in Pennsylvania, but in Montana too. Governor Schweitzer is is a Big Sky Democrat, not a pie-in-the-sky Democrat.
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Palestinians and Jews have enough problems so we won’t mock or make light of their foolishness in trusting anything Obama says – too much. Obama can’t be trusted guys. As a president his foolishness and pie-in-the-sky lack of experience skullduggery and back stabbing would only bring you more grief. Haven’t you suffered enough?
Peter Wallsten has a really well-reported piece this morning on Obama’s relationship with Palestinian activists in Chicago, and in particular his friendship with Columbia professor Rashid Khalidi.
The story doesn’t provide any evidence that Obama ever expressed anti-Israel views, and in more recent years he’s been very publicly pro-Israel, as his campaign reasserted in response to the piece. But it does place him at events at which Israel is accused of “apartheid” and details his friendly relationship with Palestinian activist, and Columbia University professor, Rashid Khalidi.
At this point, I’d say the damage to Obama with a segment of the Jewish community is probably going to be very hard to reverse. This isn’t a huge percentage of the vote of a community that doesn’t exist in big numbers in most swing states anyway. But for pro-Israel Jews who, say, know of Khalidi and consider him a hostile figure, and for the people in their communities who listen to them, the damage that comes with Obama’s Hyde Park milieu is going to be very, very hard to repair.
“There is a segment of the pro-Israel community in which skepticism of Barack Obama is only rising,” said the unaligned Democratic consultant Ken Baer, who follows Jewish politics closely, and whom I called this morning to talk about the story. [snip]
The Jewish vote matters a lot in Florida (which some think is now safely Republican anyway); it matters less, but a bit, in Ohio, where several thousand votes can make a big difference. [snip]
And, while we’re doing the electoral math, the perception that he’s friendly to Palestine may help Obama with Arab voters in Michigan and elsewhere, if they were inclined to vote Republican.
Um, Florida and Michigan. Little wonder Obama does not want a revote in those states.
Excerpts from the Los Angeles Times article about two face Obama and why he can’t be trusted:
A special tribute came from Khalidi’s friend and frequent dinner companion, the young state Sen. Barack Obama. Speaking to the crowd, Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi’s wife, Mona, and conversations that had challenged his thinking.
His many talks with the Khalidis, Obama said, had been “consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases. . . . It’s for that reason that I’m hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation – a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid’s dinner table,” but around “this entire world.”
Today, five years later, Obama is a U.S. senator from Illinois who expresses a firmly pro-Israel view of Middle East politics, pleasing many of the Jewish leaders and advocates for Israel whom he is courting in his presidential campaign. The dinner conversations he had envisioned with his Palestinian American friend have ended. He and Khalidi have seen each other only fleetingly in recent years.
And yet the warm embrace Obama gave to Khalidi, and words like those at the professor’s going-away party, have left some Palestinian American leaders believing that Obama is more receptive to their viewpoint than he is willing to say.
Yes guys, keep listening to what he is not saying, that’s a real smart posture. Obama can’t be trusted. Part of the flim flam is to have people listen to what you don’t even say, to deceive them with winks and nods, to assure all sides you are on their side. But Obama is only on one side – his. Obama can’t be trusted.
Their belief is not drawn from Obama’s speeches or campaign literature, but from comments that some say Obama made in private and from his association with the Palestinian American community in his hometown of Chicago, including his presence at events where anger at Israeli and U.S. Middle East policy was freely expressed.
At Khalidi’s 2003 farewell party, for example, a young Palestinian American recited a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism in its treatment of Palestinians and sharply criticizing U.S. support of Israel. If Palestinians cannot secure their own land, she said, “then you will never see a day of peace.”
One speaker likened “Zionist settlers on the West Bank” to Osama bin Laden, saying both had been “blinded by ideology.”
Obama will say anything to anyone at any time. He can’t be trusted guys. He says one thing in public then another thing in public and then another thing in private and then another thing in private. He can’t be trusted.
“I am confident that Barack Obama is more sympathetic to the position of ending the occupation than either of the other candidates,” said Hussein Ibish, a senior fellow for the American Task Force on Palestine, referring to the Israeli presence in the West Bank and Gaza Strip that began after the 1967 war. More than his rivals for the White House, Ibish said, Obama sees a “moral imperative” in resolving the conflict and is most likely to apply pressure to both sides to make concessions.
“That’s my personal opinion,” Ibish said, “and I think it for a very large number of circumstantial reasons, and what he’s said.”
Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth. Ask blogger Joe Anthony, asked the purged delegates, ask gun control advocates and opponents:
Last year, for example, Obama was quoted saying that “nobody’s suffering more than the Palestinian people.” The candidate later said the remark had been taken out of context, and that he meant that the Palestinians were suffering “from the failure of the Palestinian leadership [in Gaza] to recognize Israel” and to renounce violence.
Jewish leaders were satisfied with Obama’s explanation, but some Palestinian leaders, including Ibish, took the original quotation as a sign of the candidate’s empathy for their plight. [snip]
Among other community events, Obama in 1998 attended a speech by Edward Said, the late Columbia University professor and a leading intellectual in the Palestinian movement. According to a news account of the speech, Said called that day for a nonviolent campaign “against settlements, against Israeli apartheid.”
The use of such language to describe Israel’s policies has drawn vehement objection from Israel’s defenders in the United States. A photo on the pro-Palestinian website the Electronic Intifada shows Obama and his wife, Michelle, engaged in conversation at the dinner table with Said, and later listening to Said’s keynote address. Obama had taken an English class from Said as an undergraduate at Columbia University.
Ali Abunimah, a Palestinian rights activist in Chicago who helps run Electronic Intifada, said that he met Obama several times at Palestinian and Arab American community events. At one, a 2000 fundraiser at a private home, Obama called for the U.S. to take an “even-handed” approach toward Israel, Abunimah wrote in an article on the website last year. He did not cite Obama’s specific criticisms.
Abunimah, in a Times interview and on his website, said Obama seemed sympathetic to the Palestinian cause but more circumspect as he ran for the U.S. Senate in 2004. At a dinner gathering that year, Abunimah said, Obama greeted him warmly and said privately that he needed to speak cautiously about the Middle East.
Abunimah quoted Obama as saying that he was sorry he wasn’t talking more about the Palestinian cause, but that his primary campaign had constrained what he could say.
Poor Jews, Poor Palestinians, so tired, so desperate for hope, they listen to the flim flam man.
Poor Americans, so sick and tired of Bush, so desperate for hope, they listen to the flim flam man.
Obama, the flim flam man keeps talking out of both sides of his mouth:
Even as he won support in Chicago’s Palestinian community, Obama tried to forge ties with advocates for Israel.
In 2000, he submitted a policy paper to CityPAC, a pro-Israel political action committee, that among other things supported a unified Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, a position far out of step from that of his Palestinian friends. The PAC concluded that Obama’s position paper “suggests he is strongly pro-Israel on all of the major issues.”
Obama can’t be trusted, by anyone.
Nationally, Obama continues to face skepticism from some Jewish leaders who are wary of his long association with his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who had made racially incendiary comments during several sermons that recently became widely known. Questions have persisted about Wright in part because of the recent revelation that his church bulletin reprinted a Times op-ed written by a leader of Hamas.
One Jewish leader said he viewed Obama’s outreach to Palestinian activists, such as Said, in the light of his relationship to Wright.
“In the context of spending 20 years in a church where now it is clear the anti-Israel rhetoric was there, was repeated, . . . that’s what makes his presence at an Arab American event with a Said a greater concern,” said Abraham H. Foxman, national director for the Anti-Defamation League.
Spare yourselves grief. Reject both, or rather all, of Obama’s many faces. Don’t listen to words that come from any side of Obama’s mouth.
Obama’s words can’t be taken at face values – any of his faces.
Obama can’t be trusted.
Thanks Admin for your usual high standards in investigative politics. After all this is done, you should get an award. If you do, we know it won’t be one from the DNC. It is certainly sickening that there is no place on the entire web but here, that we can get any real information about that crook of crooks, Barak Capone Obama.
Many of us here on Big Pink have discovered during this nomination contest what some others have known for a long time, that the media is an agenda driven force that actively seeks to shape our worldview according to their own. On many issues and not just those touching on Hillary, the media has been providing us one-sided images according to their own creation. Technology, finance, and media empires now known as conglomerates, have made possible the control of information flow by a small elite group aligned with the neo-libs, now led by no other than yours truly, Barak Capone Obama. It’s scary.
As evidence to back up my assertion, I offer this example. Living in China, I have had the opportunity to talk to many Tibetans about the situation there. I have been totally amazed at the differences between how they see it and what the neo-lib controlled media would like us to believe. For example, did many of us know that before the communists “liberated” Tibet (at the invitation of the Dali Lama) the Buddhists monasteries owned about 95% of the land? Or that all males were considered monastic serfs and could not move from the land without making a payment they could rarely afford? How about the fact that females were not even given the status of serfs, but were in effect legally enslaved (something about being reincarnated as a woman is considered punishment for some past life sins, I was told), bought and sold like cattle by the theocratic establishment. There is more. Most families were forced to donate at least one child to the local monastery/landlord to become monks/nuns, pressing this unlucky child into a life of involuntary celibacy. And talking about civil rights, persons guilty of serious crimes were executed by being tied naked to the ground in the mountains to be eaten alive by wild eagles. What was left of their skins was used for making the temple drums. This is not ancient but recent history. I was so amazed I did some real research to make sure my boots were not being stuffed. Actually I rarely wear boots because I wear pants suits, but this stuff checked out. More like the theocracy from hell.
Tibetans tell me that the then young Dali Lama in 1951 invited Chairman Mao to send in the troops to quell some sort of dispute between the two main Buddhists sects. His won. That’s beside the point. But after the PLA arrived and saw the pitiful conditions of the people, they started making some changes, like freeing women from their status as slaves. We should not forget that in the early days of the People’s Republic of China, the communists made many positive changes like these before absolute power corrupted their revolutionary ideals. Eventually as the normal Tibetan folks started to get some rights, they started to question the system. Never a smart thing to do in a dictatorship. The result was the Tibetan government decided life would be better off without the Chinese and their modern ways and staged the unsuccessful 1959 revolt, resulting in the fall of the theocracy and self-imposed exile in India for the Dali Lama and friends.
Tibetans living in Beijing tell me that the current fight is not really between China and the Dali Lama but between the old regime (and their kids) living in exile and the new bunch of secular Tibetans in charge of the place now. Obviously both groups crave for the privileges that come with exercising power. Sounds more like a combination of a Marx Brothers movie and Shakespearean tragedy.
What has bothered me most is why have not the folks in America and Europe been told any of these things? Why the gross deception on the part of the media about Tibet? Maybe the answer lies in the fact that for some strange reason, Tibet has been taken up as one of the causes of the rising neo-libs and their allies within the Democratic Party, much like Iraq was for the neo-cons. We all know by now thow the neo-libs control the media through this experience as Clinton supporters. We are only allowed to get their version of any story. If Obama gets to the White House (please heaven don’t let this happen) we may be moving our troops from Afghanistan just over the Himalayas into Tibet. I wonder what the true story is about Darfur.
Admin, what a great post and paddy4hill I’ve known for a long time that we have a problem in this country with propaganda and not a informed electorate.
We need to change the rules back where they were before President Reagan came on the scene and deregulated the media by the removal of the FCC fairness doctrine of 1987. I think that did more damage then anything else.
Support this issue:
Media Ownership Reform Act (MORA)
The Media Ownership Reform Act seeks to restore integrity and diversity to America’s media system by lowering the number of media outlets that one company is permitted to own in a single market. The bill also reinstates the Fairness Doctrine to protect fairness and accuracy in journalism.
http://www.house.gov/hinchey/issues/mora.shtml
Hi carbynew,
What is the status of MORA? Is there any real chance for this passing anytime soon? Sounds like a Russ Feingold kind of bill. After this year’s nomination media farce, I can certainly see the need for something like this. Thanks for the information.
WOW, ADMIN! Excellent research! I really am scared of him.
Here’s a small portion of what I posted April 9th after I saw an ABC story CHANGED from negative to positive coverage of obama within minutes! They’re scrubbing everything!
I hope it’s not too long.
basil9 Says:
April 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
OMGAWDDDDDDD! I CAN”T BELIEVE IT! The critical Obama headline has been CHANGED to “Obama Sets Conditions for Bush Olympics Boycott!!!!”
WTF! 10 minutes ago the headline was “Obama Ducks Olympic Critics.” JEEEEEZUS! What are we up against here! not a SINGLE word of disagreement is allowed to be spoken, written or videoed! And it’s not like this is just a follow-up piece. the FIRST article has already disappeared! WE are so screwed unless we get HRC in the WH!
Yup. The first critical article (or at least the headline) has disappeared down the rabbit hole. Now he’s saying what HRC said yesterday and there’s no trace of his “Ducking” the issue except at Google. MyDD already has a diary up “It’s hard to tell your Banker he’s wrong.”
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/9/181442/7931
I think I’m losing my mind! Check this out. The first headline vs the second headline by the same reporter switched within minutes of the first article being posted on ABC. They OWN the internet.
1.
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller Reports: Barack Obama doesn’t seem to want to talk about the Olympics or Senator Clinton’s call for a boycott of the opening ceremonies on August 8, 2008.
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ABC News’ Sunlen Miller Reports: In his strongest language to date about the Olympics, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said that President Bush should boycott the opening ceremonies of if the Chinese do not take steps to stop the genocide in Darfur and respect the human rights of Tibetan people
Obama DUcks . . . was posted by Sunlen Miller on April 9 at 3:25.
“Obama Calls on Bush to Boycott . . . was posted by Sunlen Miller on April 9 at 7:02.
I just don’t think that’s coincidence.
• basil9 Says:
April 9th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Since no one seems to think this is a big deal I’ll drop it after this comment about BO’s connection to the Olympics from;
“It’s hard to tell your Banker he’s wrong.”
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/9/181442/7931
‘The junior Senator from Illinois has a particularly tricky balancing act when it comes to the subject of the Olympics: Chicago is vying to host the 2016 games and one of Obama’s top campaign advisors and close friends, Valerie Jarrett, is the vice chair of Chicago’s bid committee.’
PADDY,
Another brilliant analysis! That is fascinating. I knew something about Tibetan customs and tradition, but I always thought it was only the dead who were thrown on rocks to be eaten by eagles. i didn’t realize it was prisoners, too!
i also didn’t know the status or, rather, the non-status of women. I’d assumed it couldn’t be very high as the monastaries are all male, but i did’t know they are still ‘property.”
Do you have any links to that material?
BTW – your description of the media circus is dead on. It’s no longer just the military industrial complex but the military-industriall-ENTERTAINMENT complex.
http://www.wthitv.com/global/story.asp?s=8151421
Fire destroys Clinton’s local campaign office
dedfg,
A coincidence??????? NOT!
It will be interesting to see how it was started …
Hi basil,
I guess when in Tibet, the key is to keep a keen look out for those hungry birds. Must be slim pickings these days!
Most of the interesting research info I found was here in China. I verified lots of it via personal interviews with Tibetans since I always don’t trust Chinese sources on these kinds of sensitive topics. They have an agenda too. But I do remember a couple of good books about “pre-liberation” Tibet in English in some bookstores in Hong Kong. You can also do an internet search of Beijing Review, China Daily, maybe some Taiwan publications too. It is hard to find objective items in the western media concerning Tibet for the reasons cited. In fact, it is difficult to get to the bottom of any story these days.
The era of Big Brother (notice it is not a sister) has arrived. All the more reason to support Hillary Clinton. The world needs a woman in the White House.
Another great article. Obama is disgusting.
talk about back peddling heres a post on mydd that says BHO campaign “changed” their minds on the CA delegate issue. as one poster put it…it’s a flip flop
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/10/234912/757
There has been an extraordinary outpouring of grassroots support for Senator Obama among Democrats and Independents in all 53 California Congressional districts.
In recognition of this tremendous enthusiasm, our campaign has asked the California Democratic Party to allow all persons who have filed to be a district delegate candidate for Senator Obama at the Democratic National Convention to participate in the caucuses this Sunday, April 13, 2008.
We are confident that delegates elected from this pool will reflect the Senator’s commitment to a diverse and unified delegation at the National Convention.
An overwhelming number of supporters have signed up to run for delegate, so there will likely be lines and tight space at the caucus locations. We ask for everyone’s patience and cooperation.
Most of all, please enjoy this opportunity to meet other Obama supporters and elect delegate candidates to the Convention in Denver.
If you have any questions, please contact Daryl Sprague at dsprague@barackobama.com.
Thanks for your interest and active participation in Barack’s campaign to change politics and change America.
David
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
There’s a fascinating meta-physical pamphlet by the weird and wacky Alexandra David Neel written during her time in Tibet (around 1920) called “The Secret teachings of Tibetan Buddhist Sects.” It was fascinating. I’ve read a lot of her stuff (which of course you have to approach with a big dose of skepticism,) as well as Chogyam Trungpa and various authors on the subject of Chinese foot-binding.
I agree about the BM BB morph. And Obama and crew have their fingers on that button. Diya read my post up thread about how the ABC article, the first one critical of Obama that I’ve seen, was CHANGED to a positive report within hours? Hitler-Jungen, brownshirt, Gestapo tactics in the US.
Debbie,
This is so Orwellian.
Basil,
Posted in last thread very late, not sure you saw it.
Excellent get on BM taking their foot off the gas in terms of overall coverage.
I’ve noticed it before, and certainly now, and as I said I believe it to be intended to lessen the impact of PA.
If they don’t play it up (and isn’t it an enormous contrast to the absolutely breathless ‘coverage’ we’ve had until now?),
they don’t have to weigh or give Hill credit.
Not that they would anyway.
They’ll just change the subject, make like it never happened, just like Tx & OH and CA and NH, etc.
Lastly, after working all day & night, I noticed in the few minutes I had to tune in a lot of talk about Iran again making the rounds, apparently after Bush made a few threatening about Iraq.
wondering how you think it plays out. Haven’t seen any CinC poll numbers lately, put assuming it helps our girl politically.
It is of course no way to run foreign policy – but I can’t do everything!
basil, I also read the Neel book many many moons ago. I really liked it from what I remember. So funny that you have read it too! I haven’t thought about that book for a long time, but perhaps it had some influence since I really enjoy going to Tibetan Buddhist temples. They all seem to have such wonderful fengshui. The qi is so strong inside.
You are so very right. The antics of the Obama camp do really resemble a high tech version of the SA brown shirts bullies. The similarities are so striking. Certainly does not seem very much like the Age of Aquarius. Maybe the world is developing too fast for humans to keep it all together. Too much money and power concentrating too fast. Maybe its time to re-read Vladimir Lenin’s “Imperialism, the Final Stage of Capitalism.”
For sure, it is not a good time to put someone as inexperienced as Obama in the White House. I really can’t believe that Americans can be so stupid to even consider this guy. Didn’t the lessons from Bush sink in at all?
I am fed up with the MSM drive to discredit,embarass,and deny Hillary Rodham Clinton,her right to express herself and conduct a fair presentation of her agenda and her views on this country’s numerous problems. The media rat packs deny her the courtesy of being heard and also refer to her as Mrs..She is a highly respected Senator and should be addressed as such.Most of the jealous woman that keep being hired by the cowardly men anchors to do the catty dirty work for them,seem to have more boobs,cleavage,miniskirts,legs than brains.I have been making progress in my boycott of MSNBC,CNN,FOX and local stations.Newspapers and Magazines,Journals have roots that bind all of these crocks together.It is aso time to realize just how many of these pundit are descend from on Middle east country.Don’t dare divulge my location.My Hillary sign was destroyed,my expensive mailboxes have been torched and i fear for my safety,for the first time in my 90 yrs.The worst is still to come,unless Hillary is chosen to be the 44th President and the First Woman in our history to do so.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE “
Blue Dem,
I really AM on media blackout except for this site and a bit of FOX now and then so I haven’t been keeping up with the Iran/Iraq developments. I DO recall hearing that BO recently confused IRAN with IRAQ but did we hear anything about THAT? Nooooooo … and this despite the HUGE issue made of McCain’s confusing Shite and Sunni.
‘I’ve noticed it before, and certainly now, and as I said I believe it to be intended to lessen the impact of PA.’
Yup. That’s what I 6think. BO’s pumping truckloads of cash into the state HOPING for a victory but they’re hedging their bets. Either way, according to BM, they will win. If they actually DO get the most votes it will be a HUGE UPSET and if they lose it will be oh well, they didn’t expect to have a strong showing there anyway.
ok time to hit the hay. the sun will be up in about 7 hours. thank goodness its Friday night and can sleep in tomorrow!
Paddy,
‘A high-tech version of the SA brownshirts.’
How about:
The internet Browns.
The Tech Browns
Uh-OH – better be careful. Someone’s likely to post that they’re offended by my use of the word ‘brown.’
About Neel – she was a crazy clairvoyant but her descriptions of some of the rituals she witnessed were really striking! I also frequent a wonderful Buddhist Temple here in the Catskills. Love the Hall of 500 Buddhas.
Air America will be using actor/activist Richard Belzer to fill in for the now-departed Randi Rhodes.
Belzer (who I don’t want to villify unecessarily) is, if memory serves, a pathetic knob-polisher for BO.
Pretty sure I wanted to Elvis the TV last time I tuned into Bill Mahrer and he was on, spewing.
Anyway, AAR is friggin dead. Better we should find out now I suppose, but the matter of infrastructure, D v R, is no small one.
ABM,
Your mailbox was TORCHED? OMG! Have you reported this to the FBI?
About the women “Anchorettes:” I agree. They’re just eye candy and yet they take themselves so seriously. The trivialization of female intellect by presenting these bimbos in high visibility positions and then having them deliver the so-called news in those perky cheer-leader voices with those perky boobs and plastic teeth-whitened smiles and tan-can glow. The only ones I respect are Greta (and you notice SHE’S not on primetime – not cheerleaderish) and . . . . . well, I can’t think of anyone else. That’s sad.
thought
ANYONE hear anything about the Media Protest this morning at Rockefeller Center?
PA “Street Money” Obama Won’t PAY!!
w w w . latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-streetmoney11apr11,1,218781.story
this is a 2 page article……. worth the read IMHO
Barack Obama may lose support in Philadelphia over ’street money’
Candidates traditionally get out the money to get out the vote. That sets up a culture clash for the April 22 primary.
By Peter Nicholas, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
April 11, 2008
Fourteen months into a campaign that has the feel of a movement, Sen. Barack Obama has collided with the gritty political traditions of Philadelphia, where ward bosses love their candidates, but also expect them to pay up.
The dispute centers on the dispensing of “street money,” a long-standing Philadelphia ritual in which candidates deliver cash to the city’s Democratic operatives in return for getting out the vote.
ABM,
who ever torched your mailboxes is on their way to prison, it is a “FEDERAL OFFENSE” even if you bought it, it belongs to the government. Hope you are having your local postmaster look into this, as well as local and fed officials.
basil9
“Uh-OH – better be careful. Someone’s likely to post that they’re offended by my use of the word ‘brown.’ ”
isn’t this getting pathetic. I’m so sick of questioning every damn thing I say so as not to offend the slightest of senses. I have always been respectful of other cultures and ethnicities and to have this throw in my face just irks me beyond all.
It’s terrible the way ABM90 is being treated by the Obama thugs. I hope she isn’t harmed. This stuff is going on all over in one way or another. If that guy ever got into office, I wonder who they would be trying to intimidate next. It would probably have to be anyone of influence in and out of government. They will want to enact whatever weird policies they support, and I believe they have a partly hidden agenda. I echo others who’ve said BHO really scares me. I worry about our country. We have to stop him from winning the White House.
Meanwhile I feel very frustrated about the MSM and their treatment of Hillary. I can only comment here and there, but some of you are writing great blogs. We can also continue to contribute. All of that has to continue, but it’s like trying to hold back the tide. The media is so powerful. I don’t want them to ever pick our president. I don’t recall a time when they seemed to be marching in lock step this way.
I suspect some of the people who generally post here are merely lurking and reading until we can see some reason for hope that all Hillary and her team is going to work. I’m confident it can, but it’s going to be an uphill climb all the way. I’m going all the way with her.
B. Merryfield is doing a great job, but it seems as if it all falls short just a bit. The media is not going to do their jobs and go to work on it. It will take some big development to make a difference.
Okay, I will stop whining now. This fight is worth winning, and it isn’t over yet.
Clinton Outlines Anti-Crime Plan
By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press Writer
5:16 AM EDT, April 11, 2008
PHILADELPHIA
Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton is proposing to spend $4 billion a year on anti-crime measures, including programs meant to reduce the number of ex-convicts who return to prison.
The money also would help communities hire more police officers and “community-oriented prosecutors.”
Under the New York senator’s plan, to be detailed Friday in a speech in Philadelphia, states would compete for $1 billion in annual grants to combat recidivism. It would “promote tough but fair” changes to probation practices and to existing programs meant to steer non-violent drug offenders away from prison, her presidential campaign said in an outline provided early Friday.
The goal is to make punishment more certain for those who violate their probation, while also enhancing efforts to help former drug users stay clean and thereby avoid prison, campaign aides said.
They said Clinton would pay for the $4 billion initiative with savings to be identified by a commission she will assign to “identify unnecessary and outdated corporate subsidies for elimination.” Groups that oppose deficit spending urge campaigns to be more specific in saying how they will pay for new programs.
Clinton’s plan would hire 100,000 new police officers “to address crime, through a modernized personnel grant program.” It would spend $250 million a year on “community-oriented prosecutors.”
Compared to earlier presidential campaigns, especially those in the 1970s, this year’s contest has focused relatively scant attention on crime, with the Iraq war and economic woes dominating the debate. Clinton, noting that violent crime has begun to rise after several years of decline, will focus on the subject Friday as she competes with Sen. Barack Obama for votes in Pennsylvania’s April 22 primary.
what happened to the demonstation??? can’t find any news on it
New York City
Friday, April 11 (8am), 2008
West 48th St & Rockefeller Plaza
Paddyrhill,
Yu have just regurgiated a mountain of chinese propaganda.
I am a tibetan buddhist. The dailai lama has talked of some of the abuses in the Tibetan system and was moving to reform the system when the Chinese decided to just wipe Tibetans out.
Thousands of monks killed,monastaries burned and gutted, the Tibetan people enslaved in their own country, children taken from Tibetan parents and forced to go to China for re-education. I am so incensed by what you have put forward here. Do
you think people in Daramsala and Tibetans around the world are so crazy that they are fighting to bring back a corrupt and damaging system?
talk about hopium. Yu have veen drinkingthe chinese version. Yur sources are biased and inaccurate. Please stop!
TPM is saying only 75 people showed up at the demo. Can that be right?
Debbie,
“Frankly, my dear, i don’t give a d@mn” about what anyone says or thinks about the way I express myself. I will NOT be bound by cultural sensitivity that is not mine when discussing different ethnicities, as long as I don’t use commonly regarded “Offensive Language” like swear words.
Last time I checked we still had Freedom of Expression. But we better be on our guards. Today the words “fairytale”, “kid”, “Monkey” and “Hussein are banned. How many more words will be added to the list as time passes?
And I found it incredibly AMUSING that some poster on another site had a problem with the reference to Brazille as Brillohead. These people have NO sense of humor and they examine EVERY single comment, EVERY l;ast word for potential criticism of their candidate. I believe it’s called MIND CONTROL and my mind, puny as it is, belongs to ME!.
debbie
nor can I. tried going to new york 1, but for some reason i cannot download the real player needed to watch video, i figured the new york minute segment might give it a mention.
here is the address
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/index.jsp
maybe ti will work for you
Tibetan death and burial rituals have been misunderstood for centuries which is why tourists are forbidden in places like Lhasa from viewing the ‘graveyards.”
henry,
Went to the site and there is no mention of the protest.
Debbie – Hope you didn’t think I was ranting at you! I agree completely with yours comment;
‘isn’t this getting pathetic. I’m so sick of questioning every damn thing I say so as not to offend the slightest of senses.’
What the hell does Tibetan culture hve to do with getting Hillayr the nomination? I am just so incensed at this propaganda on here.
Debbie Thank you for your concern.I live out in the so called sticks and alone.Just cannot tell who was resposible.I have had to replace my box 6 times in 20 yrs.Rported to the locals and was told that it no doubt was a childish prank and the beer can littering is always aproblem.Too old to assume another problem.My whole concern now is to do battle for Hillary.She is our National Treasure and I will fight for her with my computer aand with whatever I can donate.Mental energy is about all that I have plenty of REMEMBER.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE “
Attention : Bmerry and Admin…..this is right up your ally & needing investigation!
Obama’s sub prime mortgage http://taxmanblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/obamas-sub-prime-mortgage.html
After reviewing Obama’s tax returns, I started asking the question. When did Obama buy the house that’s been the subject of the Rezko controvery.
The answer? June 2005.
Yet, if you look at the Obamas’ 2004 tax return you’ll see that their income for that year was $207,000. The home in question cost the Obama’s 1.5 million.
So let me make sure I have this right. Around January, the Obama’s work with a real estate agent and tell him/her they’re looking for a cozy 4 bedroom in the 1.0 – 1.5 million dollar price range and the agent pre qualifies them with these income numbers? Then they’re able to find this home make a offer and close by June.
By the way, where did they get a down payment for a home of this size? Their tax returns show no interest or dividend income for the year so they had no savings.
What mortgage company in their right mind would loan someone that kind of dough on that income?
Most real estate agents will tell you that you really can’t afford a home that exceeds 3 times your annual income; Obama’s was well over seven times. What gives?
Given that Obama was elected to the senate in 2004 and received his book deal in 2005, a banker could use that income as evidence of future ability to pay. Even Michelle’s additional income could be included. But a year ahead of time? I know when I qualified for my last mortgage they wanted three years of tax returns to show that my income was stable. I think a broker would laugh at me if I brought returns like these in for a 1.5 million dollar house.
Obama has been using this quote lately in his stump speech
The top mortgage lenders spend $185 million lobbying Congress, and we wonder why Washington looked the other way when they were tricking families into buying homes they couldn’t afford.
Were the Obama’s some of these people? Or did Rezko grease some skids to get them their mortgage? Why is no one in the main stream media asking these questions?
Posted by gordon gekko at 9:18 PM
Highlighting some of the comments from this article : they bring up a lot of good questions!!
“Real question is how did Obama only pay 16K on 1.7 million dollar (including 100K purchased from Rezko) Chicago home.
Chicago property taxes are about twice that.”
“Michelle “Big Mouth” Obama said they used the proceeds from the books of Osama’s to pay off their student loans. There was an article out just yesterday in which she said that.”
“I am a Real Estate Broker and my husband is a mortgage banker so this is highly questionable. The answer IS Tony Rezco and the Iraqi Billionaire
Auchi.”
“ Mortgages are public documents. Someone from the area should go check it out.”
“In my mind, the timing needs to be documented. I just can’t walk in and buy a 1.5 million dollar house on a potential lottery winning.
When did they pursue the home?
When did they receive approval on their mortgage and on what income?
When did their 2005 book deal advance get issued or committed to by the publisher?
Given the deal with this home as it relates to his association with Tony Rezko, I believe these questions are worth asking and receiving answers.”
I was at the NYC demonstration, earlier this am from 8 – 9am. The cops were ready for this, and put up a long, narrow corral down 48th street – nowhere near where the action is on the plaza. The group was pretty small, but vocal when I got there – about 50 or so men and women with great signs. But the cops refused to let anyone out of the pen with signage, and refused to let any of them walk anywhere on the plaza, or near the Today show crowd. Just incredible. There were a few international media people interviewing some people, but no US media as far as I could see. Why am I surprised that a protest about media bias gets suppressed by the media? I expect more people may have shown up after I left for work, but the placement of the corral made it impossible for the protest to really generate the kind of attention it should have.
Clinton campaign needs to get that money to the ward leaders quick. Obama and Axelrod may know Chicago politics, but seem to know squat about Philadelphia politics. Ward learders can be the difference from Obama winning Philadelphia by 20 points or barely squeaking by. If Hillary gets the ward leaders obama will not blow her out in the city.
henry..no luck
by the way I contacted (email) nutrisystems yesterday to protest msnbc
debbie
read positively above
Linfar,I am interested in all cultures. I saw a National Geographic Special recently that featured a look at the monastaries and some of their traditions. It was fascinating. I’ve also read some about the customs.
Personally, I LIKE the idea of being fed to wild birds after death. It seems a more rational use of the body once the spirit is gone to be used to sustain other life than being buried in the earth where you get eaten anyway by worms and bugs.
But that’s just me.
Anyway, that’s a philosophical matter and I won’t take up space here. BTW, I think Paddy’s gone to bed. It’s 12 or 1 where she is. And I don’t know enough about the political situation in Tibet to comment on it.
positivelyclintonian
It does not surprise me at all. Remember Obama’s new best friend is Bloomberg.
rjk1957, this is why Mayor Nutter’s endorsement is so crucial. Nutter can put that machine to work for Hillary.
Chicago does not run the Philly wards. Philly does.
positively,
BUMMER about the protest but you make a great point: Why would the MEDIA cover n event about Media Bias?
ABM,
Is there an HRC group in the state you can contact and ask for assistance in terms of legal protection?
I am so sorry this is happening to you. Be careful and be safe. practice.
ALL,
Money Bar is up again at HRC’s site. I’m gonna donate another 25.44.
Obama’s camp seems to think that the AA vote will carry him to an easy victory in the city, but if he wants to win the stae he has to win Philly by a wide margin. I grew up watching Philly politics and the ward leaders run the neighborhoods and race does not matter when it comes to you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours.
This is a must read on Hillary’s work in foreign policy and what her foreign travel really was like:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.hillary11apr11,0,4026731.story?track=rss
RJK,
It sounds like NJ politics (arguably the most corrupt in the country).
I’m sure Nutter must be on the case.
That’s GOOD for HRC.
Of course. They’ll report it – as a negative for Hill.
protestshave increasingly been minimized. Bloomberg argued in court not to let protestors in Central Park for the RNC in 04 because they’d just re-seeded the grass, and he won!
They had protestors fenced in, which kind of defeats the purpose.
basil9
Have you read Bob Ingle’s book “The Soprano State”?
Basil, appreciate your response.
Just so much misinformation gets passed off as fact these days.
The obamabots are now accusing me of being a liar and making it all up about my Mom on my diary: Mom mom NNeeds Hillary
It makes you crazy. This is what they do to the big dog and I feel like, he does, I want to lash out. Tell them off, et.
doesn’t help tho.
Hillar posters now have a policy on mydd: no feeding thetrolls
Admin
Now that I have calmed down
Nice intro and roundup. I think Schweitzer in Montana is amazing–this is real change–and he don’t care much for Obama.
Alos, admin, anyone else–are you following sinclair story in Puerto Rico–apparently big story there. this is they guy who says he had a homosexual affair with Obama, and some are sayhing thuis is also why the young guy in the choir at Obama’s church was killed.
I know it sounds like supermarket tab loid stuff.
But what if, huh? What if…
linfar
I heard on talk radio this morning Obamatrons asking what is she hiding now implying that the campaign torched her office in IN. I hope it was arson and Obama supporters are arrested for it. Just to wake people up to the type of supporters he has. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I am not saying Obama supporters set the fire, for all we know someone didn’t turn off the coffee machine.
something to celebrate
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080411/bs_nm/ge_dc;_ylt=Ao5SCDo1HAeGLo.Q6Tj0wEAEtbAF
What kind of person accuses someone of making up a story about their mother and alzheimers????
linfar, I read your diary about your mom yesterday, it was a beautiful story! If those bots are accusing you of lying, then I would think those bots are republican members of AMA. I think anything medical that is being called a lie would be those folks that will be hurt the most if Hillary is the nominee. The American Medical Association.They don’t realize that they will not be hurt, Hillary plan will help all of those who work in the medical field. I have spoken to many doctors that I work with and all mistrust Hillary. They think her plan is only a percursor to universal health care!
What makes me mad is that these people can access medical care and do not know what its like not to be able to. MOst of these doctors forgot their oath many years ago and some only get in medicine to become millionaires, they could give a crap about those who can’t afford them!
blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/04/inside_an_obama_speech.html
Austan Goolsbee, of the infamous Canadian NAFTA-gaffe, is still an active advisor on economic policy on the BO team.
Lynn Sweet publishes this email from Obama’s speechwriter, and attached is an email soliciting input and email addresses include Goolsbee
Linfar,
I checked the video yesterday. BO is TOAST in PR! They do not care WHAT color anyone is – they have such a mixed diverse culture – and they sure as heck aren’t worried about being called racist. Heck, the people are every shade in the human skin pallette. They are gonna go after this big time!
hehehehe
rjk – I wouldn’t be surprised if it was arson. Of course, let’s see what the investigation finds…but given what many of us saw and heard about even in TX – the physical intimidation of Clinton supporters by Obama supporters at caucuses, the trashing and vandalism of Hillary signs by Obamabots, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were foul play re: that Indiana campaign office.
my car was vandalized in a very public area, and I suspect, why it was my car instead of the countless others parked in front of countless businesses – my Hillary bumper sticker – and the witnesses who saw this – noted that the people who did this were 18 or 19 yrs old. ABM’s Hillary signs trashed and mailbox torched…
I think you have a real good pt. confloyd. I am just not used to being alled a liar. It makes me angry. I have railed against these kids of tactics, but was never on the receiveing end before. they do work
confloyd, did you know that the VAST majority of physicians are not even members of the AMA? Most docs can’t stand them, or their politics.
Even among those who join, they do it because the need the contact and discounts for seminars, etc. The AMA DOES NOT represent the opinions of most docs in this country. They are always touted in the media as if they do, and it’s a total lie.
Most are actually in favor of universal healthcare, and an even bigger majority want reform and some kind of discount government-subsidized insurance for folks, even if it’s not completely universal.
Trust me, your average doctor is bearing the burden of the failed healthcare system in this country. Your average plumber makes more than your average Family Practice Physician, with fewer administrative headaches and much less liability, risk, and expenses. I know – I’m married to one. They certainly make far less than your typical lawyer.
It is the elite few, the millionaire, limited-clientele uber-specialist docs who are driving the AMA, and its politics. The problem is that the media paints them as speaking for all
doctors.
rjk, I didn’t realize it was her ofice that got burned. Damn I wish the obominations would get nailed for it.
rjk,
Haven’t read the book but the title suggests it’s about the mob, no?
About the IN fire; did you see the video? The flames were bursting through the roof, in a central location, within minutes of the fire being reported! And one of the womens cars was totally burned. I don’t know much about fire categorization but it sure looked like there was an explosion of some kind. Anyway, check the link from dedfg;
http://www.wthitv.com/global/story.asp?s=8151421
Linfar,
linfar
did a search for larry sinclair on ask.com and yahoo and got nothing new.
henry,
search on google, my daughter says that is the best one
Linfar,
That’s obscene that your diary is being questioned. Those mf’s.
As I’m at the tale end of intense medical treatment, I know how difficult it is, not only for the person afflicteed but by theri caretakers to deal with things. I haven’t read your diary because I fogured I’d get too upset. Let’s say I have had to fight tooth and nail for care I’ve never before needed and which I’ve paid for and which may have been withheld if I hadn’t contested every obstacle put up by my inurance company.
Health Care is a red button for me but when I’m more calm about that I will read your diary. BTW, don’t know if you;’re familiar with this site but medhelp.org has lots of support groups for sufferers of many diseases and their caregivers. I know there’s one for Alzheimers. The site helped me cope with the past year and a half.
And DON’T let those FOOLS over at MYDD stop you from posting!
The book is about stupid politicians the mob and corruption in NJ. If half of it wasn’t so funny residents of Nj would and should be crying.
http://www.thesopranostate.com/book.htm
linfair your diary was beautiful and you should write another one soon
With Obama spending 2.2 million a week in Penn on TV, it is no wonder we are only up by 5-7%. The media is going to call any victory less than 10% a major win for BO.
RJK,
I NEED a couple of laughs I’m gonna see if the library will order it for me.
FWIW (and NO offense to any ITALIANS’ on forum) but after a couple of years in an urban NJ school system I realized I was working in soprano-land, in a district run by the Fat Italian Wives CLub and honorary Members.
(Tiny Dancer – you KNOW I’m just being sarcastic.) hehehe.
I hope she is able to hang on and pull this out. where are you seeing 5 to 7 percent. still two weeks to go to. gosh, she really needs major $ right now.
Thanks Sherm Kader for your concern.Got to make a correction about myself.I am MALE 90 year old.I am a decorated 4 yr WWII Vet Widower.Still do all my own housework,mowing, driving,shopping and taught myself to use and enjoy my PC.Have to use the “Hunt Punch andMiss System with the keyboard”.This old dog can still hunt as BC likes to say.My admiration for Hillary,drives me to stay on message,stay on course and help to make her our FIRST WOMAN 44th PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES.I don’t have time or money to waste on DYING. Just glad I can Blog to my hearts content and say
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
And perhaps the world. By (Mr. ABM90 )
AMB, you should write a diary about your life, what you’ve been through and why you support Hillary and post it on mydd
jbstone,
I agree but I also have come to the conclusion that the media coverage doesn’t really matter with HRC. She takes her case directly to the people. And the people don’t watch much BM, anyway. Sure, young adults, teenagers and other assorted obamabots hang on his every word but I think in the upcoming states she has a great chance of winning, especially since Maggie Williams is now advising her.
I’m very optimistic about her chances. The Media is digging themselves a grave they won’t be able to crawl out of once this nominating process has ended. It’s gonna be all FOX all the time. I prefer that. At least they’re not hypocritical enough to seriously claim, despite their ‘fair and balanced’ slogan, to be professional journalists.
oops sorry meant ABM90
don’t even listen to those ridiculous polls….
check out this great Pennsylvania support for HILL!!!
post-gazette.com/pg/08102/872386-457.stm
I just want to congratulate all of you for being so absolutely civil under the circumstances. (the media bias, the BHO lies, the personal attacks etc.)
I surely would expect a lot more anger from you guys but you have a lot of class.
I suppose I shouldn’t even notice this because as Hillary supporters we do “rise” well above the mentally challenged groupies of BHO (aka the JackAss Movie crowd).
Debbie,
’something to celebrate’.
You think that’s related to HRC supporters boycotting their products?
well probably not significant enough to make this difference as other market influences have more priority, but I’m still glad
basil9
I don’t want any of the companies to die as we need to keep people employed, but I sure want them to hurt like hell even for just a little while.
Just a thought,
we are facing, gender, race and age issues in this election. not only is this a first, but these are protected classes under our constitution and the least protected in our society.
Well I decided I ain’t voting for anyone “with balls”
what pa polls are believable?
I firmly believe that Hill will win PA by 10-12 points or more. Even inside notes from Obambi’s camp point to this possibility. The General Election argument will be further cemented by this victory. Indiana is a must win.
I also think Hill should pull out of NC entirely. There is no progress being made there that I can see. That state is too demographically suited for Obambi. Lot’s of Koolaid, AA’s, and Colleges.
Kaffeen – re: NC – campaigns internal polling showing she’s within statistical difference of catching up to BO. I’ll email you more.
The PA polls are crap! How many times have we heard “Obama’s making his move!” – Was it in NH, or CA, or MA, or maybe it was OH and TX? They tailor the data to fit, just like they tailor the news. CRAP-O-LA. I for one am convinced Hill will blow through Obama with a double digit margin in PA.
kaffeen .. pulch can answer more on N.C.
kaffeen,
I agree she’s gonna win PA. That this rumor about him taking the state is circulating so widely points to extreme fear on the part of his campaign. (IMHO).
I’m so glad I took the advice of some here who said to turn off the TV. I am much calmer now that I don’t have to fend off the BO psychic vampires.
I would love to see some progress in NC. I had hoped for an upset there, but there is no data that I have uncovered to support this. Please send me any positive news there.
1950democat: you were right.
About polls: SUSA has been the most accurate. It’s incredible how EVERY SINGLE TIME Hillary is supposed to get a double digit victory all of a sudden the polls “tighten”. I’m betting Hill takes PA by 14pts.
kaffeen,
I don’t think HRC can pull out of anywhere now, not if she wants to close the gap. BO will probably win NC, but I do think Hill can keep within 10pts. Otherwise, she’d have Ace Smith somewhere else.
You guys need to see this video, right now. I have no idea if this is true (any of it, including Larry Sinclair’s original story), but if it is true (and can be shown to be true), Obama is done:
http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=358
A quick summary: Sinclair, the guy who supposedly was the man involved in the limo tryst with Obama, says that Obama had another gay lover — who went to Trinity Church — and the guy was killed in 2007, possibly because of this supposed connection with Obama.
Admin, if you think this is worth a penny, please feel free to appropriate the YouTube video.
Out for now.
Listen all my blogger friends.I know free speech is perhaps one of our greatest freedoms,but I getting quite upset withe all the filthy low brow language being expressed in quite a few discussions.I have heard them all and nothing surprises me because I use them now and then and only when I am alone and that hammer,door jamb,cabinet drawer,bed stead doesn’t want to get out of my way.Seriously,I would love to know that young people can experience the wisdom,the frustrations,and the concerns of real people getting involved in our country’s History and it’s Future through the Electoral process.What a learning experience for young healthy minds..Has its place and time that one might want to express themselves,but it also projects a lack of responsibility and culture. Let’s clean it up folks.Hillary will do her part with the Bush mess.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
By ABM90 Glad to be aboard
Obama had to retrack his decision to purge off all the anti-war progressive and other and only use his bundlers was a big mistake in California that will NOT repair the damage.
The word is out on this CON man and even if the same people on the list still are the delegate…he’s TOAST in California. Why do you think Barbara Boxer announced her support for Hillary, it’s because they know they have been used by the Chicago set and finally wiped the “fairy dust” out of their eyes.
Obama has NOT promise or commit to anything to anybody, in fact he has done the opposite by being a Pied Piper playing the same tune to every group while he drops them over the clip and into the sea of HOPE or CHANGE. It’s laughable how people only hear and see what THEY choose to see even when the candidate constantly make excuses for lying to them.
Well, all the purge obama activist need to get used to being disappointed in Sen. Obama because it’s not going to get any better…in fact this is only the begining.
Like we’ve said before….follow the money and look at his advisors and see the corporations attached to him and see the kind of loopholes in his policy proposals that makes them worthless.
Just like his Healthcare…you can drive a tank thru all the loopholes Obambi has in his Healthcare policy and since I’d worked for over twenty years for a “Financial Delievery System”…i.e. Heathcare Insurance company (that’s the name they call themselves at WallStreet), Obama’s plan benefit the Insurance company over the patient, on this I have NO doubt.
not to take away from this site just that we are so NOT ALONE, nice to see so many supporters out there.
credit to hillaryclintonforum.net for compiling this list.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/prohillary/
Carby: Boxer said, she would give her SD vote to the candidate who won CA. She said this, before Super Tuesday. I don’t think, it has anything to do with the latest incident.
hillaryfortexas; I am a x-ray tech and work at a local hospital in texas. Last night while I was working my er doctor ask me to x-ray one of his patients and said he would read me the latest nasty story about hillary in the wall street journal while I was doing the exam. I told him no thanks, but I take this taunting everyday at work. Everyone there knows I am an avid Hillary supportor and most think I am studpid for backing her. I don’t care, I just consider the source. They really just listen to the media for their political knowledge and you know what that gets them!
thepage-begala calls penn a rumsfeld that should be fired not demoted. i agree. bo is using penn’s remaining with the campaign today. hillary-get rid of this guy. its a distraction. bo’s ass should have been kicked long ago.
Perpetuating the sinclair accusations is, i believe, counter productive.
confloyd: The media is a joke, and I don’t take anything, they say, seriously. That physician who read that story to you, should not have doing that at work. So, he was reading the story in front of a patient??? That is unethical and unprofessional. There should be a hospital regulation against political activity in the work setting.
bill has brought up bosnia 2 times in two days. hillry told him not to discuss it. bill-if u want hill to win this battle listen to hill. this is again another distraction we dont need!
confloyd
i am positive your hospital recieves some govt funding and as such has to remain neutral in politics. look into filing a complaint.
birdgal, I told him no, I did not want to hear it or see it. He taunts me all the time! I just consider the source. The Doctor is a republican and a Bushite, he does not like John McCain. He is just a mess and I discount him totally.
Confloyd
he should not and is not legally allowed to exhibit such behaivor. you may be a person confident in your opinions but how many underlings may this man persuade with his abusive of authority?
as a lesbian it makes me sick that we would use Larry Sinclair to take BHO down. Its like saying to me and all my fellow glbt friends…you’re only ok as long as we say you are, but hey…if it stirs up criticism for BHO..don’t mind if I step on your toes or spit in your face to achieve the goal do ya?
I resent the implications made that somehow having a gay tryst is a bad thing.
what is bad if true, is his infidelity, his lies about drug use, or any possible connection to the death of a gay man.
I’ve had my say..just how I feel.
confloyd: that is harrassment. do you have a union? he should not be able to get away that type of behavior. There are laws against it. If you are in a private hospital setting, your options are probably less, but good for you, for sticking up to yourself.
The media has had every person that has been or said they have been in a sexual relationship before why doesn’t this get big media, maybe on fox? For sinclair.
texan4hillary Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
bill has brought up bosnia 2 times in two days. hillry told him not to discuss it. bill-if u want hill to win this battle listen to hill. this is again another distraction we dont need!
How would we know if Hill really said that? Actually the full Bosnia story is incredible. I am very proud of her for her work there.
debbie: I agree. That story is just too weird, and degrades the glbt community.
confloyd: If the MD, exhibits this type of behavior in front of patients, the complaint could come from the standpoint, of interfering with patient care. This is not appropriate behavior in the presence of patients.
forget the patients what about the cnas
birdgirl and hillaryfor texas, You know this is Texas were talking about here, there are no unions, it is somewhat better for the employees now than it was 20 years ago when I first started. Everyone here is pretty much a republican and if there not they are AA’s and are for BO, so I stand alone. That’s Ok, because I am picking the right one, they are not! No one will ever change my support for Hillary. I am sad about my AA friend that is backing BO, she is very political and belongs to the democratic women in Houston county, she is not looking at all the policies or for that matter BO’s unusual connections, I thought she would not be fooled by him! We are going to the state convention together and somehow I will need to bring it up carefullly and convince her she is making a mistake!
i would rather the campaign go after msnbc and demand an apology for spreading a lie about hillary and the baby story. they ran a lie, knew it was a lie, and kept running as of yesterday morning. when clintons go against big media they win with voters. i want to talk about media bias-not the bosnia issue. the big fish to fry is the obama network
confloyd
don’t think you need a union to be exempt from harassment from a superior.
The money graph looks sad, I done all I can do for now, I hope others will start sending in some money.
I know Henry, but I just have 7 years to retirement and our hospital is too worried right now about the medicare standards. People are getting fired right and left and I don’t want to have to drive 120 miles to go to work again. I been home for 6 years now and I like it.
When my husband had to quit working because of his multiple sclerosis, I had to drive into Houston to work and I worked 2 and 3 jobs to get my last child thru high school. I missed alot of games and lots of cheerleading and band things that I will never get back. I have a new grandchild coming in 3 to 4 weeks and I don’t want to miss anything again. So for now I will just put up with what I have to to keep my job. I have to admit sometimes its really hard!!
debbie
perhaps it is the hypocrasy of a man who would engage in consensual sex and then involve Mclurkin in his campaign
must read-on pa-it will lift your spirits-
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08102/872386-457.stm
confloyd
keep doing what you can do
and thank you for your courage
Just my two cents but I don’t think the goal should be to spend whatever your opponent spends. So far Hillary has been outspent, but that hasn’t cost her any victories. At this point there isn’t a democrat alive who doesn’t know either of these candidates. I just think you reach a point where ads, unless its a very effective one, can only make so much of a difference.
MJ,
“bill has brought up bosnia 2 times in two days. hillry told him not to discuss it. bill-if u want hill to win this battle listen to hill. this is again another distraction we dont need!
How would we know if Hill really said that? Actually the full Bosnia story is incredible. I am very proud of her for her work there.”
Maybe he too knows the real story and feels the media was piling on her, which is what he said yesterday.
Confloyd: You are a hero.
Wesley Clark apparently talked about Bosnia, too, according to a poster at TM. And nobody has credibility on Bosnia like Wes Clark.
Probably somebody asked Bill about it; that’s usually the way these things happen.
begala on the need to fire penn NOW. u go paul-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/11/begala-nothing-but-contem_n_96226.html
henry,
I agree with that point, but you and I know it won’t end with that
nikki22
his ads here in western pa are relentless and ubiquitous. the media loves him and as such the average joe sitting at home likes the guy and wil vote for him. hillary stumbles and its the lead story bambi makes huge errors in judgement and he is praised.
djia Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 11:38 am
PA “Street Money” Obama Won’t PAY!!
Barack Obama may lose support in Philadelphia over ’street money’
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Ummm, for a guy who’s rolling in cash, and who is supposedly trying to put the death grip on his opponent, this seems kind of ….. stupid. What are all those campaign donations going for? Expensive ads that are shown over and over again? Or are the donations going toward paying off the mortgage on the Rezko mansion??
We live in NJ, and are in the Philly area’s advertising region. My wife said she’s seen all too many BO ads, and she said she found them completely ineffective, and the more she’d see this or that ad, the more she thought it would turn off voters. We joked that the more he advertises, the more it helps Clinton, and that maybe we’d start donating to Obama if they promised to keep running terrible ads.
But back to Obama donors. Why wouldn’t they put that hard-earned donations to the ground game, GOTV. If it’s “traditional”, why fight it? I thought Obambi’s campaign was such a smooth running machine, and that in itself is his “qualification” to be prez. In fact, Peter Beinart in WashPost yesterday:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/07/AR2008040702196.html
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Deep into a primary campaign that was supposed be over by now, Barack Obama must still answer one fundamental question. Jeremiah Wright notwithstanding, it’s not whether he’s too black. It’s whether he’s too green. Hillary Clinton has made Obama’s inexperience her chief line of attack, and if she goes down, John McCain will pick up where she left off. Luckily, Obama doesn’t have to rely on his legislative résumé to prove he’s capable of running the government. He can point to something more germane: the way he’s run his campaign.
…..Of the three candidates still in the 2008 race, Obama has run the best campaign by far. …
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Is His Regalness above “playing the game”? And will it cost him votes in Philly? And that may worsen his already tepid PA chances??
Other people are running his campaign. He is not.
rgb44hrc
i love your wife
Campaigning is nothing like governing.
And if the watchdogs were watching, his campaign wouldn’t look so great.
is he trying to raise a million in a minute?
what are the penalties for an individual who exceeds the max?
some pics from today’s NYC protest: http://web.mac.com/csa4/iWeb/Site/Photos.html
There may not have been the volume they expected, but they should try and do this weekly – even 20-50 ppl at a time holding signs will keep sending the message to the average joe/jill that we see and condemn the media bias.
rgb44hrc
“But back to Obama donors. Why wouldn’t they put that hard-earned donations to the ground game, GOTV. If it’s “traditional”, why fight it? I thought Obambi’s campaign was such a smooth running machine, and that in itself is his “qualification” to be prez. In fact, Peter Beinart in WashPost yesterday”
BHO does not need to put money into the ground game………..
SEIU is funding 75,000 troops at a cost of nearly $1million to run the ground game in PA. That is why unions have so much influence in politics friends..they have the bodies.
web.mac.com/csa4/iWeb/Site/Photos.html
repost – didn’t work the first time. Pics from today’s NYC protest – they may not have gotten the volume they wanted, but if they do this weekly even with 20-50 people at a time, it will get the message out to the pedestrians, the average joe and jill, that we see the media bias and condemn it.
Bombshell about Obama expected next week!!?!
Sean Hannity said Hillary, or her campaign, will drop a bombshell about Obama next week between the 16th and the 22nd. He said the idea was to wait until after the debate and before the PA vote.
I hope this one is for real!
Actually the story about that rumor is already out, but it is still just a rumor.
primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10998
Sherm Kader
I’ve been hearing rumblings of that for a few weeks. I hope it is true.
I don’t see anything at that link. What rumor? I doubt Hill is dropping a bombshell. Sounds like typical hyperbole.
I don’t want to get my hopes up too high, so I will just wait and see.
One thing is for certain: if there is such a bombshell the MSM will handle it by trying to shoot it down.
That link was to a short story about it. Try this one:
campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmJiNWI2MWU2NWZmYmE5MTVmZWVkYTRlYTljYmZiZDA=
Look at this jerk:
http://www.politico .com/blogs/ bensmith/ 0408/Obama_on_smalltown_ PA_Clinging_ religion_guns_xenophobia. html
Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama’s remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won’t be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama’s seeking:
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
That’s pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.
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Can you believe wtf Obama said about PA’s towns last night
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.”
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations”.
Hell of a way to win their votes Barack, I think it our duty to tell the good people of PA, that Obama thinks they are gun toting, religious, anti immigrant fanatics.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Obama_on_smalltown_PA_Clinging_religion_guns_xenophobia.html
WOW,
Listening to Hannity while blogging and he says the Hard Left are doing everything they can to take out the commentators who are providing information to the public.
He sounds real upset!
And whoever posted up thread about not liking Hannity, I’m not a big fan either but I do support the fact that he, Rush and FOX are the only big Media vetting BO. I agree he will trash HRC but at least he’s also doing what the rest of the press has decided ‘it’s not my job.”
damn MJ, beat me too it, great minds think alike. Obama really is a tool.
Moonpluto,
Yet another addition to the list of people BO has insulted. Let’s see,
Pennsylvanians
Italians
Typical white people
jews
Pakistani’s
women
GLBT
Everyone, please add to the list.
From Sherm’s link:
April 10
Hillary’s numbers have actually been inching up a bit in the Keystone state lately. At the beginning of the month, Public Policy Polling shocked the world by suggesting Obama was ahead by two points. Their latest poll puts Hillary up by 3. In the Insider Advantage poll, Hillary’s lead has increased from three percent to ten percent. In SurveyUSA, she’s gone from leading by 12 to leading by 18. Some other polls show no change or a slight loss of ground.
how is fox saying Bill Clinton that Bill’s office is in Manhattan. I thought his office was in Harlem!
Off topic- Does anybody think McCain will actually pick Condi as vp if HRC is nominated?
God, we really have to make sure, that comment from Obama hits the PA airwaves.
Obama’s new PA ad
Hey you gun toting, anti immigrant, religious nut anti trade facists, vote for me because I’m kool.
I’m Barack Obama and i approve of this message.
Harlem is north end of Manhattan Island.
haha, the PA quote is top of drudge, he’s gonna be crucified. Lets push it a bit more, Fox perhaps.
What a daft ass comment to make, 10 days before a huge primary in the state you are slagging off.
Plural, you would have never realized that with the guy from Polico saying that Bill bills are higher than any other ex-President. He was using more tax payer money than the other. You think they might have said how wonderful some of his work out of that office is. The media is so corrupt!! God I will be glad when this is over. I am sick of the bias!!
moonpluto,
Think I’m gonna havta resend emails to the PA press with that comment prominently featured.
hehehe
That Bad Bill Clinton, doing so much good as an ex president when he could just play golf all day.
debbie Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I just want to congratulate all of you for being so absolutely civil under the circumstances. (the media bias, the BHO lies, the personal attacks etc.) I surely would expect a lot more anger from you guys but you have a lot of class.
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I went to an organizing mtg yesterday here in Philly where I work (live in NJ), and some folks mentioned BO nuts throwing things at them while putting up signs, or tearing down signs to replace w/ BO signs.
We don’t want to sink down to that level
a) we have pride in trying to win fairly.
b) bad behavior reflects badly on the candidate.
c) let’s call it what it is, “vandalism”, and that’s illegal. It also gives the impression that bodily harm might be threatended.
d) Even worse, it infringes on the right to voice your opinions and practice politics without fear of reprisals, the whole regressive regime spiel that has gotten worse under Bush. Remember how much we’ve hated Republicans practicing low ball “politics”? Why would we want to go there??
Which brings up, why do Obama’s supporters want to practice gutter politics? Hmmm, “Do anthing to win?” Sound familiar?
Good lord, are we back to picking on Bill for daring to be a former president?
These Arkansans have so much nerve!!
Oh, I forgot the biggies,
Yet another addition to the list of people BO has insulted. Let’s see,
Pennsylvanians
Italians
Typical white people
jews
Pakistani’s
women
GLBT
FLORIDIANS
MICHIGINIANS
Michiganians
the tide is turning .. please, oh please help us get more $ into the campaign. Even as little as 5.44 will help.
Go Hillary…..
confloyd,
Harlem is really the northern section of Manhattan – in other words it’s not separated bu rivers or waterways.
The Hammas controversy is a great chance for HRC to repudiate Carter’s meetings with Hamas and urge BO to join her. Of course JC is expected to endorse BO . . .
That’s according to Newt.
moonpluto,
‘Hey you gun toting, anti immigrant, religious nut anti trade facists, vote for me because I’m kool. I’m Barack Obama and i approve of this message.’
ROTFLMAO!!!!! Glad I wasn’t drinking water when i read that. Such passages at Big Pink are the reason my keyboard is jammed and I have so many typos.
Newt saying BO could be the first anti-Israel candidate in modern history – sorry – rambling – this about BO refusing to renounce Hammas.
carter does our party shame at a time we dont need more. the obama quote on pa folks is the elitist idiocy dean and others think. just bc of unemplotment u dont run and buy guns and such. but elites think working class folks are boobs.
I believe, BO has already denounced Carter’s meeting with Hamas.
donna on cnn! we need the times to pick this up
anyone in PA seeing more tv ads now for Hillary?
Newt says Americans are beginning to wake up to WHO BO really is. Senator Obama is a leader of the Hard left, his positions are indefensible, his 20 year association with Wright is unjustifiable and his association with William Ayers is incomprehensible.
but D@mn it, at least he’s saying it! Hannity’s gonna cover these issues in tonight’s show.
His views show he is tolerant of terrorism, tolerant of those who are anti-Israel and he’s a danger to the country.
Sorry – Newt again – NOT my favorite person
I think the repubs are even more afraid of BO squeaking into the WH than HRC coz they see it as heralding the downfall of America.
BO, how appropriate his initials are the shortened version of a horrible body odour stench.
Shame HRC couldnt run this as an ad, although we’d love to see it.
If you are in BO, then guess what, you’re gonna end up with a stink.
Texan,
What’s she saying now??????? Please report.
I thought it was pretty funny, too, when I started using it a couple of months ago.
Just gotta make sure there’s noting politically incorrect in that acronym although I don’t see how that could be possible coz it is, after all, a universal human affliction.
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Birdgal,This article is on Reuters, posted at 3pm today.
“Obama refuses to criticize Carter over Hammas.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1117477020080411?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true
Thanks Basil. I heard wrong.
The PA comment is starting to make the rounds, i had a peep over at DU, even the Obamabots are handwringing over why he said it. I say give him some water to wash down his foot.
LOL.
What’s DU?
I think “Drudge.”
democratic underground
Here’s my contribution receipt.
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Money meter is up to almost 500,000. Goal is 2.2 million. At least it’s moving up again. It’s twice what it was this morning.
I can’t find that article on DU, moonpluto.
(Thanks mj for the clarification.)
I DID however, find this. hehehehe
Di MAio says DNC is prejudiced against caucasians in his new lawsuit. ROTF.
journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1982
Oh Lord – this is priceless.
yes, yes, for the money bar. Go Hillary
Go, Basil!
Go Hillary!
Clinton leads BO 44 to 33 percent in the latest Temple University poll. And that was BEFORE the PA comment surfaced.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×5459368
basil9 Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Oh, I forgot the biggies,
Yet another addition to the list of people BO has insulted. Let’s see,
Pennsylvanians
Italians
Typical white people
jews
Pakistani’s
women
GLBT
FLORIDIANS
MICHIGINIANS
Michiganians
ME
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×5459134
Here have a laugh at the comments
moonpluto,
i can’t get onto the site with that link.
h t t p : / / hillarysbloggers.soapblox.net/
This has got the ‘big blog’ software, diaries, etc — going pretty well. Let’s give them some love, start diaries where they won’t be attacked or purged.
keep yakking Barack baby…the more the US knows you the more they will reject you. Go ahead and refuse to condemn meeting with terrorists … its your standard operating procedure.
superdelegates are watching and listening
Guys,
About polls. In the big important states, it’s always the same pattern. When a state’s election is weeks or monhs away, Hillary has a big lead. As time goes on, the lead narrows, and when Obama starts blitzing, his numbers go up and it may look like he’s going to win. THen in the last few days or the last day, the Undecideds and Inds break for HIllary and some more women come out and Hillary wins it handily.
wbboei Says:
Always glad to be of service. When you have time, could you email me whatever confirmation/cites you found?
April 11th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
1950democat: you were right.
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moonpluto,
Found the comments.
nice to see Obama’s PA gaffe as a headliner on Drudge – that should get it some attention on the MSM…but why refusing to criticize Carter for the Hamas meeting is buried in Drudge’s headlines is odd.
Just to clear up the Barbara Boxer thing, she almost begrudingly is giving her superdelagate vote to Hillary because Hillary took the state of CA, she refuses to endorse Hillary however like Diane Feinstein has. I’ve been a supporter of hers for a long time but she’s more worried about raising money for her 2010 re-election than saying exactly what she means. She’s trying to ride the fence on this and I think it is shameful. On this she’s gonna lose. Voters are not fooled.
I’m trying this again. use http. You guys are going to love this:
videos.newsobserver.com/index.php?a=player&id=1816319
nikki22,
I just posted about this ‘polls tightening’ pattern. Aside from the bots and media focusing more on polls as propoganda toward the last, the basic pattern may be legit. If the pollsters/media were totally cheating, why report the early favorable polls at all?
It may be just a natural progression for the voters to think:
1. “I know about Hillary, she’s pretty good, I’ll probably vote for her.”
2. “Hm, this new guy sounds interesting, he might be better, I think I”ll try him.”
3. “Time to get serious, better stick with HILlary.”
FOX talked about the BHO gaffe just a little bit ago.
FOX…Hillary already bashing BHO on bitter statement gg Hillary!!
debbie Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
not to take away from this site just that we are so NOT ALONE, nice to see so many supporters out there.
credit to hillaryclintonforum.net for compiling this list.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/prohillary/
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mj,
LMAO!
Barack Obama, Jedi Master and his Jedi Mind Tricks!
Good move by Hillary today — smart policy, and smart politics:
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Clinton Touts Crime Plan
By Perry Bacon Jr.
PHILADELPHIA — Signaling she is not conceding the black vote to Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton touted her plan to reduce urban crime while speaking at a YMCA in a mostly African America neighborhood here.
In West Philadelphia, Clinton called for putting 100,000 additional police officers on the street in urban areas — exactly what her husband pushed through in his first term. Her campaign, dubbing that part of the plan “COPS 2.0″ after the initiative in President Clinton’s first term, said the goal would be to cut the homicide rate in half.
“Violent crime is on the rise again in America,” Clinton said.
The crime rate has gone up in the last two years, after dropping for more than a decade, and African American voters have expressed concern about the issue, but Clinton’s speech marks one of the few times during the campaign that any of the major candidates has focused on crime reduction. For Clinton, touting one of her husband’s ideas marked a sharp contrast in a week where she had been sharply distancing herself from her husband’s support for free trade agreements.
Clinton was joined at the event by Michael Nutter, the black mayor of Philadelphia who is campaigning hard here for Clinton.
“People want to be safe all across the world, but people also want to be safe right here in West Philadelphia,” Nutter said as he introduced Clinton. … “They’re not necessarily talking about Al Qaeda. … Here in West Philadelphia, we’re more worried about al-Gangster than al-Qaeda. Osama Bin Laden and some of those other folks couldn’t last five minutes in West Philadelphia.”
Ha, Hillary says something like:
I just heard that my Opponent has just commented that the people of Pennsylvania are bitter. That hasn’t been my experience, the people I’ve met are hopeful and resilient and ready to roll up their sleeves and get work to make this country better.
debbie,
I didn’t know that about Boxer but at least she’s gonna endorse HRC and right now that’s what counts.
You Californians can decide what to do with her in 2010.
Debbie, you’re right about Boxer. She is up for re-election, so she doesn’t want to anger anyone. I thought, she would come out for BO, until she made that comment, before Super Tuesday.
Obama’s catty comments, denigrating rural Pennsylvanians, were beyond the pale today. It’s typical Obama behavior: lots of hype about being a “uniter,” but in reality, he engages in divisive politics.
Glad to hear Hillary’s calling him out on it!
she’s not endorsing Hillary, she is giving her superdelegate vote to Hillary because of the CA win, and yes that is better than her giving it to BHO
cool 1950Democrat,
I’ll check it out
Debbie: Right. Boxer said, she wouldn’t do any campaigning or anything like that. She is definitely, trying to have it both ways.
I have a feeling that “bitter” comment from dipstick is going to pay dividends for Hillary in PA.
We must make sure everyone there hears it.
debbie,
I stand corrected. Boxer is evidently very controversial in CA. Sounds like the east coast version of Spitzer minus hookergate.
Well the general concensus from news media websites comments is that Obama is a complete tool for saying this and has shot himself royally in the foot.
In fact, the words used are arrogant, condescending, elitist and ignorant. Finally people catching on to what we been saying for months.
FOX & CNN on the “bitter” story, both McCain and Hillary jumped on it
MSNBC no where to be seen on the issue
so last week, he said to PA, that “babies were a punishment” and this week its “PA towns are bitter gun toting, religious nuts who are anti trade and immigrant”
Whats next weeks gem I wonder.
moononpluto Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
so last week, he said to PA, that “babies were a punishment” and this week its “PA towns are bitter gun toting, religious nuts who are anti trade and immigrant”
*****
No wonder Michelle O isn’t proud of America with a view of it like that!!
I took my final look at CNN’s Gafferty and Wolfe Mail segment.THey are a disgrace to all Media and viewers.The web site is operated by them,choose the most disgusting anti Clinton responders and even add their input and add comments.What a miserable group of biased character challenged would-be and has-been yes men and women.May they all end uo working for WASTE MANAGEMENT at min.wage. By the way Gafferty,I wish you would take your daily dose of a laxative.You look so pained all the time.Job too much?? or just constipated??MSM has some real credibility problems.Just got some good news about MSNBC owner Jack Welch.GE is having some real business problems and their Chris Matthews is tanking the network standings.Their Crock ran over when they decided to to make 2008 presidential campaign theirs and Barack Hussein Obama their choice for the Whitehouse.Don’t let it happen America.These are troubled times and we need Hillary more than ever.
Exactly, moononpluto. Obama’s crass comments today about working Pennsylvanians show exactly how out of touch he is with middle America. He does well with the urban yuppies, but that’s really the extent of it.
texan4hillary Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
bill has brought up bosnia 2 times in two days. hillry told him not to discuss it.
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To some of HIllary’s demographic, it might be worse if Bill DIDN’T defend her. The media and her enemies already know about the issue, and can bring it up again any time they want to.
To some undecideds in her demographic, learning that she went to a war zone, seeing the videos of her among the armoured soldiers — is the important news. So she may be picking up votes from veterans and military people who recognize what those photos really mean. The people who are nit-picking her words probably weren’t going to vote for her anyway.
Also, remember during the SC flap, some journalist did interviews on the street in Harlem and the old people all said things like: “Hey man, Bill’s doing the right thing, he’s gotta take care of his woman.”
Others might just think that Bill staying out meant the charges were true.
OK Big-Pink citizens, it is time to take a stand. It doesn’t matter how civil you are when you talk about Mr. Obama’s problems. His people are going to try to drown our voices. “Germany before WWII.”
We need to put our backs to the grindstone, and start donating once a week (please get others to join you). The goal should be that everyone that comes to this side should pledge to donate a minimum of $5.44 per week. This should only be an internal money bomb. Let us see how much money we can put together for Ms. Clinton. Our goal for next week Monday-Friday is $1000.00 ( I know, we do not make much money and have to support others), but I think $1000.00 is something that we can put together. We all need to paste our receive and admin could keep tabs.
Community your input?
Thanks.
confloyd Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I am a x-ray tech and work at a local hospital in texas. Last night while I was working my er doctor ask me to x-ray one of his patients and said he would read me the latest nasty story about hillary in the wall street journal while I was doing the exam.
That’s endangering the patient! The tech might get distracted and upset and make a mistake.
Isn’t there some sort of ethical whistle-blower hotline you could tip off? Or at least tell some senior woman in private that the doctor is likely to upset workers and cause mistakes with this kind of talk?
Was the patient conscious, or other witnesses? If a mistake was made and the patient sued, the patient’s lawyer could make this an issue and get big damages.
Has anyone watched that hilarious video I posted the link for yet?
What is the news on the anti media protest. Any footage or word on this! We need thousands of people to get out there, the media has to cover it. HOW ABOUT A HUGE FLOAT MADE OF CAFFERTY AND MATHEWS AND THE OTHERS HUGE LIKE 20 FEET HUGE AND STROLL THOSE BABIES DOWN THE STREET MAKE THEM HUGE PANIATAS, AND THE CITY COULD HIT THEM AND GET GOODS, ALL HILLARY CLINTON STUFF THAT WOULD BE GREAT!
1950Democrat
“To some undecideds in her demographic, learning that she went to a war zone, seeing the videos of her among the armoured soldiers — is the important news”
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That would work if the media would show all videos, but they mislead with the story and then her kissing a kid
They are saying that the fire in Indiana was arson. I read that on TM, is it true?
nikki22 Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
you reach a point where ads, unless its a very effective one, can only make so much of a difference.
And too many tv or radio ads can be counter productive! In OH or NH voters were complaining that they ‘couldn’t get away from Hillary,’ she had too many tv ads.
I think some people in PA were saying that about Obama last week or so.
ABM,
Cafferty, or as I refer to him, CADAVERTY, is beyond help and I don’t think all the laxatives in the world would rid him of his BS!
I stopped watching when I found this site. I used to tune in sometimes to Blitzer but I stopped that, too. It’s clear he doesn’t always agree with Jacka$$ when he’ gets that pained expression, sort of like the one BO described as the reaction to family members when confronted with the eccentric uncle everyone s afraid to talk about and comparing that to Jeremiah Wright.
I would think that it’s not only Tweetie pulling the ratings down, but Ogremann, Nora, Mika and a bunch of others, too.
Remind me NEVER to get on your bad side.
mj!
I posted! LOOOOOOVE it.
Barack Obama, the JEDI MASTER of MIND CONTROL.
OBAMA’S “ELITISM” ISSUE
Hillary Clinton and John McCain both ripped into Barack Obama Friday for reportedly saying residents of small-town America “cling” to interests like guns and religion because they’re bitter over lost jobs, a remark his opponents interpreted as arrogant.
The Huffington Post reported that Obama made the comments while speaking to a group of wealthy California donors in San Francisco over the weekend. The Post quotes him specifically singling out towns in Pennsylvania, where he’s trying to woo voters and overcome Clinton’s lead in the polls before the state’s April 22 primary.
“Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them. They need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them,” Clinton said in Philadelphia Friday afternoon, citing the Obama quotes and saying the Pennsylvanians she’s met aren’t bitter, but “resilient” and “positive.”
“It is a remarkable statement and extremely revealing,” McCain adviser Steve Schmidt said. “It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president of the United States who is more out of touch with average Americans.”
Schmidt also said it shows Obama views the people he’s trying to relate to with “contempt.”
The Obama campaign has neither confirmed nor disputed the account in The Huffington Post.
The site quoted him as saying: “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not.
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
confloyd,
doya have a link?
Debbie,
Good point. I saw the good video shots at noquarterusa.net (pretty much pro-Hillary) and at democratic underground (mixed) and iirc at Taylor Marsh.
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The “bitter” comment now top headline on Foxnews website.
Guess PA gonna get to hear all about it.
are bambia’s comments on pa locals?
fox on now w/bambia comments
Sounds like a description of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation.
‘And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to . . . . religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them . . . . “
If there is anyone from Hillary’s camp here, Ed Rendell needs to come out and speak up about this as well as other respected officials in Pennsylvania.
This is outrageous and needs to get legs!
Typical bitter white people with their guns!
lol, Obama’s been clinging to religion this whole frigging election. Oooh the Irony.
Hill made a statement herself.
moononpluto Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
lol, Obama’s been clinging to religion this whole frigging election. Oooh the Irony.
Yes. He’s a phony.
The best thing is, that PA is a big religious gun ownership state, he basically dissed them in one foul swoop. He just handed that entire vote slice to Hill in one big mouthed comment.
@Capedi: done!
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I posted my contribution way up thread. I have donated almost $500 which I cannot afford over the past few months as I can’t work until treatment ends.
Most, if not all the people on this forum are doing what they can to help, from financial contributions, to phone banking, to blogging on newspapers, sending letters to the editor, notifying the BIG GUNS at BM about their shameful news coverage, working on petitions to seat Florida delegates, etc.
His comments mesh well with Michelle’s distorted view of America…
“You’re not talking to each other, taking advantage that you’re in this diverse community. Because sometimes it’s easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your own ignorance. That’s America. “
haha, HillBillLover –
yes,Pennsylvanians are typical white people xenophobes with their guns. (I’m Barack Obama and I approve that message)
I’m not able to donate $ till Monday but I’m phonebanking to PA/
Hillary campaign says they need boots on the ground in PA and they still need as many phone bankers as possible.
Bbami supporters having phone banking “parties” .. we can beat them at their own game by calling, calling, callling.
Start donating everyone. We just donated 150.00 in just a few minutes.
OH, HILLBILL, ROTF.
I gotta add that to the list of people BO has offended.
Pennsylvanians
Italians
Typical white people
jews
Pakistani’s
women
GLBT
FLORIDIANS
MICHIGINIANS
Michiganians
ME (Debby)
“Typical bitter white people with their guns”
I think those remarks were planned….to try to excuse his big loss coming in PA.
He can’t take his name off..he can blame his big loss on his “slip”..
We’ll see if he comes out and apologizes..
Huffington Post would not post those comments unless they had Bambi and Shells persmission.
It’s done with a reason.
They see this HUGE loss coming and they now have a excuse. Hillary gonna whip his ass backwards into tuesday.
DOT,,
I am not worthy! :kowtows:
BRILLIANT!
Interesting thought, Dot, especially since he came out and said he wasn’t going to pay a ground operation there.
Ok, we understand. If you donated this week don’t forget next week. BUT you need to at a minimum make on phone call to PA to help.:-)
Yeah it seems BO has given up on PA by the looks of it, all the signs are there for that, i think the latest internals have put HRC anywhere from 12 to 20 ahead, if not more.
Dot48
I will be going to PA the 17th. Can’t wait. I will be there the 17th thru the 23rd
There is audio on this, it is posted here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
Forgot to mention. I received a call from Pa they said they had enough volunteers in Philly. They want us to go to Erie PA
Hmm, don’t be so sure. He has SEIU paying 1 million for his ground op. I don’t think he’d intentionally say something so stupid. Those comments won’t play well in Indiana, NC, Montana…lot’s of upcoming states.
I want all of you here to start using positive thinking. Every morning until the 22nd you need to put it out in the universe that Ms. Clinton in going to win BIG. If you prefer to pray do that also. But everything has to be positive.
everyone turn on dobbs now!!
obama blasts midtown america!!
neetabug Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Forgot to mention. I received a call from Pa they said they had enough volunteers in Philly. They want us to go to Erie PA
Neat! That’s good news. Thanks for doing this, neeta.
I have every faith that Hillary wins PA at least 60 – 40, if not more.
Lou Dobbs covering Obama Pennsylvania remark! They played an audio tape…wow
Hey y’all,
I’ve turned Ob ama’s offensive comments about Pennsylvania white working class into a new diary. Please go and rec asap. It will get swawmed by the obama legions because it shows Obama for the prejudiced guy he be!!
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/11/19052/1589
jr Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Obama set to give a speech on gun control, religion, and immigration………………………… lol
Ha! This so funny. I thought this was serious. So funny!
Wow!! it’s on dobbs. incredible
you can say all you want about dobbs, he stand ups for the american working class. he really does
Wow, it is remarkable that this story was broken by an Obama supporter that has maxxed out…
Hey, Neeta!
I’ll be in Erie from 18-23.
WOW!!! This story has got HUGE Legs!! YEA!!!!!
HillBillyLover Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Wow, it is remarkable that this story was broken by an Obama supporter that has maxxed out…
Really? Who? Why on earth would they do that? Interesting. Is this the same person who broke his other awful comments about Hill’s FP experience?
Hillary is great. Wonderful response.
BO and MO think alike.
How do you explain a statement like this? BO is obviously very arrogant and condescending. He is shooting himself in the foot. Heck, he doesn’t need Hillary to throw the kitchen sink at him, he is doing it, to himself.
CNN has the PA slam front of the hour.
Of course it IS Kitty Pilgrim and not Lou Dobbs but still . . . . .
And from what I gathered the reporter RECORDED the comments last Sunday.
But biga$$ Crowley, instead of addressing the question of how HRC is handling it is defending her true love . . . . how the heck is SHE assigned to the HRC campaign?
Anyway, not the clip of HRC’s response that she doesn’t find Pennsylvanians to be bitter and they don’t need a pr4sident who looks down at them but works for them.Even Schneider admitting BO has gotten in to trouble, as Crawley grudgingly admitted at the end. Now of course Schneider says we need to hear an explanation from BO as to what he meant.
IF he were ever to (gulp) get in it would open a huge cottage industry in interpreting BO. Personally, I’m sick and tired of inarticulate pompous arrogant fools. We’ve had one for the past 8 years!
Oh JEEZ –
Gloria Borger and Errol Lewis justifying BO.
It is Mayhill Fowler, a “citizen journalist” that has been on Obama’s PA bus tour. She said she wasn’t go to do the story because she didn’t want anything negative on the campaign, but that it bothered her and she eventually decided to write the story.
“Now of course Schneider says we need to hear an explanation from BO as to what he meant.”
I think it was pretty clear what he meant. These people are hooked on BO like an abusive boyfriend. LOL
Basil9, Lou Dobbs (the woman subbing in for him today) played the tape recorded by the reporter
basil9 Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Oh JEEZ -
Gloria Borger and Errol Lewis justifying BO.
Oh my, quick, these people need a 12 step program.
Pass the barf bag! Errol Lewis saying the problem is when BO speaks he’s asking people to be better than they are . . .
I don’t need a pastor.
Jonathan Martin says Repubs now have a tape of BO making elitist comments and he’s gonna have a hard time explaining this.
basil9 Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Pass the barf bag! Errol Lewis saying the problem is when BO speaks he’s asking people to be better than they are . . .
Funny thing is, these people think they are pretty ok. You know, these are good americans. They don’t see themselves as bitter jerks.
The skies parted and a ray of light shined down and the Angels are singing !!!
basil: What in that statement, was he asking people to be better than they are????
I still think this is planned .. something to use as an “excuse”.
gosh I just love this line ……..JUST WORDS?????
dija .. and we all are just getting along! LOL
he’s an arrogant prick for sure
Why alienate people, that you need in the GE? He has said stupid things before i.e. babies as punishment, typical white people, etc.
dot48, what do you mean an “excuse”
Sorry for multiple posts but . . .
Martin saying BO now has the same problem Gore and Kerry had – that he’s elitist and out of touch with the regular American.
Of course he’s saying that with the friggin PRESUMPTION that BO will be the nominee.
NOT!!!!!!!!!
And, not for nothing, if BO’s being compared to those two, doesn’t that basically PROVE there’s no racism with regards to his nomination.
YIKES! 20 minutes into Lou and they’re STILL on the BO gaffe. Hey, let’s send that to Howard Dean! He’s trying to solicit contributions to the Dem Party by citing McCain’s gaffes . . . .
dot, this is something that will hurt him even after PA. I really think this is just who he is. He says something different to every audience, but he’s really just an elitist.
birdgal .. he hasn’t a clue about the GE. I said earlier, keep yapping
Roland Martin is defending Obama for “Telling the truth”.
What a asswipe.
It JUST gets better.
Now Pilgrim is reading McCAIN’S RESPONSE!!!!!!
hooooooooray
But that fool Roland Martin saying BO getting slammed coz he’s trying to tell the truth.
I’m gonna email Lou and BEG him to stop booking that idiot.
Roland Martin: He told the truth. People are angry. He totally misses the point, how arrogant, elitist, and condescending that statement was. BO could have phrased it differently. What a jerk.
HillBillyLover Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Roland Martin is defending Obama for “Telling the truth”.
What a friggen jerk. Isn’t he a member of Meek’s church? Is he just bitter and clinging to religion?
Hi All,
Does yesterday count for the contribution total? My mom and I donated $150.44 together yesterday about this same time. I don’t have the reciept to post, but I do have my bank’s online transaction info:
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@dot48
LOL…….let the sunshine in
Maybe we could get some bumper stickers made….
Wva and Ky needs to hear these remarks as well…..and Indiana.
I encourage you to let PA voters hear these remarks when you phone bank. They are official now and legit to talk about.
MJ
agreed, roland martin needs a new job
Shenanigans
That is great. Do you know what headquarters you will working at? I am coming from Ohio
It’s nothing to do with phrasing it differently. It’s simply untrue. There are not scores of people who are just bitter, clinging to religion, clinging to guns. They like church. Some like to hunt or just maintain their independence with a gun in the home. These are just regular folks. Obama’s an ass.
Hi Levon. That’s great! Thanks moms.
go vote loudobbs.com
People, vote in the Lou Dobbs poll
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
Everyone do the poll on loudobbs.com
Levon .. bless you and your mom. And welcome.
Hillary is the first candidate I ever contributed to. I have contributed to DNC before but NEVER again ..
I just wish I had even more to give.
Do you believe that Senator Barack Obama’s comments reveal his elitist attitude toward every hardworking American?
Yes 55%
No 45%
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Do you believe that Senator Barack Obama’s comments reveal his elitist attitude toward every hardworking American?
Oh man, these people are master word twisters but to her credit Pilgrim isn’t taking it.
Martin says BO shouldn’t apologise. She’s not buying it.
I can’t WAIT until HRC sweeps into the WH and all these fools are kicked to the curb, including Tweetie, cadaverdy, Ogremann. . .
She says it’s important to put the comment in context and says we (CNN) did this because the blogger has a recording of the tape.
GO VOTE!!!!!! Poll is do the remarks show BO is elitist?
loudobbs.com
Let’s not let the obamanots win this one!
The problem with the media is that except for a few like Dobbs and Scarborough, THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME ELITIST ATTITUDE TOWARD BLUE COLLAR AMERICANS.
So of course they think he was telling the truth. They think we are all ignorant rubes clinging to our guns and religion, just like BO does. They think we need a messiah to lead us forward out of our shameful ignorance, and save us from our sorry selves, since we dumbasses don’t know any better, unlike their enlightened selves.
They make me sick.
go vote at lou dobbs
cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
It is the total for the week. Goal is $1000.00. Common People.
h4T .. I totally agree
Levon yes it counts.
I bet Obama’s mob descend on the quick vote like good trained propoganda puppies
Roland just said that he and Earl are going to spin this story…to Obama’s advantage.
Good luck with that.
roland martine “it will go the way we spin it”
Oh MAN
The bots have gotten to the poll.
djia Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
roland martine “it will go the way we spin it”
Incredible! What kind of press is this?
did you all notice all the college age kids in that audience with hillary today??
well we should also ask CNN to remove them. AGAIN.
I’m really sick of writing and calling to them though. I really think that Hillary is winning the hearts and minds of the people she gets too and that our donations and our phonebanking and other efforts are more worthy.
I won’t even give anybody but Joe on msnbc a clik and cnn kooliad heads make me SICK.
Anybody heard anything else on the fire at hills headquarters in Indiana…I bet it was the bots.
MJ
I do believe that was a “big oops statement” LOL
Now Roland says it was a “politically dumb” comment to make.
he he
I think we should write CNN and have roland fired!!
sorry
Martin CONFESING that the story will or will not have legs depending on how people like him, Errol and talk radio hosts and people in the media SPIN the story.
BO shouldn’t apologise. What an A$$.
We need a transcript! Martin admitting there’s a concerted deliberate media bias . . . .
And STILL spinning like a top . . . .
Yeah before that Dick Roland Martin is finished, Hillary will have said it first and Barack was just repeating.
The fucking gall of this lot is amazing, its blatant propaganda.
djia Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
did you all notice all the college age kids in that audience with hillary today??
Well, she was at a college.
Why do they have AA commentators and not any white ones???? Of course, the AA’s are going to spin it, to BO’s advantage.
Jiminy Christmas! Are Roland Martin and Donna Brazille siblings? They sound exactly alike in their worship of Obama.
Roland is spinning so fast and furious that I feel dizzy just listening to him!
I’m at work – but someone people on TM board said that Cafferty, Toobin and other in-the-BO-tank panelists defended Obama’s PA gaffe, and then somehow equated the “anger and bitterness” of these Americans to Al Quada.
Is this true?
Can we get a clip or transcript? Let’s get Jack “CNN just renewed my contract, so I don’t care what you think” Cafferty fired.
Dot: On TM, someone said the fire in Indiana was arson, but that is all I read.
Mj
LOL……..i guess that would make sense then huh ……DUH
but they did seem excited for her!
birdgal,
It was Errol explaining why poor bambi is so misunderstood and saying it’s coz he speaks the truth and encourages people to be better than what they are. ie. NOT bitter . . .
I gotta get this transcript.
djia, she did win the youth vote in MA and CA, and came close in NH, and maybe won it in RI, or nearly, I can’t remember.
Roland Martin needed a BIG B-I-G smack down for his spin. Where is Lou Dobbs when you need him?
i think they are going to do an entire hour on this story tonight!
What a C^nt that guy is. I’m sorry but if Bill or Hillary had said what Obama just did, they would have been made out to be Elitist fascist pigs.
So its fine if Obama says it. I mean wtf, seriously, WTF………..
moon, theyare talking about it. That’s really all that matters. No one trusts the media.
mj Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
djia, she did win the youth vote in MA and CA, and came close in NH, and maybe won it in RI, or nearly, I can’t remember.
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I didn’t realize that! good to know!
The transcript is here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
Full transcript:
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today – kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is — so, we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, you know, roll back the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide health care for every American.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.
So guys what do we reckon, is PA gonna be seriously pissed about this.
I know if I was from PA and that dope had said that about my state, it would be a cold day in hell before i voted for him.
Dot,
I think you’re right. And timed just before the Sunday talk shows for maximum exposure . . . His internal polls must be really bad! And that despite out-spending HRC5 to 1!
Yup. this is the set up so THEY don’t have to give HRC any credit for a humongous win. it will be because poor Bambi got confused with his words and made a boo-boo and no one understands him! Doesn’t he sound more and more like a petulant defiant teenager??????.
Pilgrim saying much more coming up on Senato Obama’s ATTACK on small town America. If DObbs has this for the entire hour you can imagine what FOX is gonna do with it. hehehehe
Are you a clairvoyant?
Hi guys.
Lou Dobbs has a poll on obama’s attack …go vote on if obama is an ELITIST
http://www.loudobbs.com
Look they (BIG MEDIA) are using two different rules. Use kid gloves for Mr. Obama and anything else for Ms. Clinton. We need to stay strong. And we need to make them understand that in Nov if Ms. Clinton is not on top of the ticket we will sit this one out.
CNN playing Obama recording for the 3rd time
I still don’t trust the media – if this is similar to the Wright implosion – then by Tuesday, he’ll get 3 major networks to air his I GOT ANOTHER SPEECH speech, part deux.
someone on TM posted: Grey–great report on MSNBC and Hardball…I agree this is huge. Truthfully, what they don’t want to spell out, I will, not only is it out of touch, but what he’s describing is primarily WHITE RURAL AMERICA, hence, there is an undeniable aspect of “racism” in his statement, that’s just my take.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
MVsprings | 04.11.2008 – 7:38 pm | #
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This person totally calls it. this is racism – just racism against whites, which is what Rev. Wright was – wish the media would call it like it is. racism is equal opportunity.
you guys…….I’am just feel totally “giddy” over this!
it’s like when your “team” makes the biggest touch down and your off to the super bowl!
wait til O’Reilly get hold of this
And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
Oh lord, get over yourself. And for heavens sake, unemployment almost went too low during the 90’s, under 3%, wth is up with this guys doom and gloom about the biggest period of economic expansion since WWII. Where does he get this stuff from?
LMAO!
Goodwin, who’s from a small town in PA, says Bambi’s remarks are like Jeremiah Wright’s on STEROIDS! hehehehe
Pilgrim playing the remarks for the 4th time!
Goodwin says it’s a disaster for bambi as he’s rejecting the life style of a large group of people.
Sound familiar???????
keep yakking Barack….
Write loudobbs@cnn.com
tell them to lose Martin, Borger and Robinson…
thank him for his good work.
I don’t know that he gets those “feedback” forms, I just send emails. Never get a real reply but I believe he is getting them.
Rollins said the story is like Wright on steroids…LOL
why not just tell the whole story, the truth, without the spin, this is disgusting. It sounds like a communist media outlet, trying to make people believe something that is not.
So he finally did it.
Bambi opened his big gob when he thought no one was recording him and dropped himself in the shit.
Hands up, who didnt think this was going to happen eventually.
gotta love Lou Dobbs show!! at least they call it like they see it..REALITY AT LAST !!!
Did you read the statement he made about all the chairs at the table in HIS administration .. but HIS would be the biggest cause he is potus. Arrogant prick. Elite prick. Doesn’t care about little people prick. Doesn’t pledge to our flag prick. Sits in the pew for 20 years with his American hatin preacher and copals around with his terrorist buddies prick.
It’s a 10 on the damage scale!! wooo hooo!!
I think Dobbs keeps Martin, Borger and Robinson, that way no one can accuse them of bias..Dobbs allows debate on both sides which is all I ever asked for.
dot
I did read that , had the same thoughts myself on it
YIKES!
On the disaster scale of 1 – 10 Rollins calls it a 10!
What I think is ironic is that the gaff comes when he is trying to take a swing at Clinton:
You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
I thought Rollins was saying this was no biggie earlier?
its an 11
You know what I get asked about most in phone banking?
The Pledge of Allegiance. Americans are patriotic and we may hate this war but boy we stick together when push comes to shove .. and we DEMAND that in our President.
Most people ask me why he refuses to Pledge. I won’t lie, I say I did see a picture where other candidates had their hands on their hearts and it seems the Pledge was being said .. Obama just standing with both hands clasped in front.
That picture needs to be reaired.
an 11 now!!! says everyone including the electorit will have to take a 2nd look him now
Obama to address his Pennsylvania comments tonight in a speech in Indiana.
Sorry! I’m SOOOOOOO excited!
Zimmerman says on a disaster scale of 1 – 10 it’s an 11.
“Typical white person” has more meaning now.
He will be giving a speech in Indiana discussing this issue. Is this another lesson on racism?? I am so sick of this.
Another speech?
Axelrod to the rescue…BHO to speak to this tonight.
look up axelrod bio..the guy is a master at media spin. get ready for some serious damage control
What do you want to bet in Obama’s speech addressing this he manages to blame Clinton by bringing up the 200,000 jobs in NY thing…even though at the time she thought there would be a democrat in the White House that would make that possible. Roland Martin already brought that up in the context that the statement was “the truth”.
I sure hope they don’t allow him to have tons of air time like they did with the race speech…..so biased
looks like the bots got to the dobbs poll
Too many “mistakes”. He’s looking stupid now to America (as he should be)
His inexperience is showing, he is green.
How’s he gonna handle every situation on the desk in the white house …all together now “a speech”
I bet that Donna has stubs for fingers now that she’s dialed so many times.
Love it .. Hannity will keep this going now.
Wonder if this is the bombshell rumor floating .. OR even more to come.
shoot ingram is doing o reilly tonght……
WHAT A CROCK!
The poll results 54% DON’T believe Bambi’s remarks are elitist!
Man those obamabot hacking programs are d@mn good. there is NO way the poll could have shaken out like that. i wish someone could investigate THAT – the way his campaign RIGS the internet.
Typical bitter white gun-toting immigrant-hating nafta-cursing jesus freaks in small town PA!
yup, I knew it – this is his I GOT ANOTHER SPEECH speech. Which smoke and which mirror will this be pointed to now?
When BO made that statement, he was speaking at fundraiser in SF, to a group of elitists, on Billionaire Row. What does that tell you???
Oh, Shoot! Laura is on for O’Rielly tonight.
I wouldn’t be surprised if CNN itself rigs those polls.
Which smoke and which mirror will this be pointed to now?
Bill Clinton.
basil9 – I think with this astroturf Axelord operation, they must have some sort of mechanism that messes with the polls – that or he does some sort of dog-whistle email to all the DKos and Democratic Underground Obamabots.
olberman is covering the story
Sorry dija..my computer is slow and your post wasn’t up.
Fox has Bill’s Bosnia comments as the top story? LAME, get over it!
olberman : are we watching a firestorm start ?
people are onto him. he can’t keep “splaining” things. “splaning” doesn’t get the job done, a hard worker who cares about AMERICANS does. Hillary has been getting things done for 35 years.
Seriously, he is dumber than a coal bucket. Surely the sds are watching and taking all this in.
A leader doesn’t need to be “managed” by spin doctors with speechs, he is seriously underqualified for the hardest job in America.
So every frigging time he fucks up, he’ll do a speech. jesus, he’ll never be off the air.
Seriously how can the electorate not see this guy can’t handle jackshit.
Now Juan is ALSO spinning it.
Amazing how he’s just handed Hillary the PA primary on a plate.
msnbc will kiss his ass in this. I swear I wouldn’t give Olger the ratings. We know what it will be .. they will try to spin this into blaming Hillary.
COuldn’t watch FOC coz it’s about BC so flicked to Ogremann by mistake just in time to hear him say the ‘other two candidates are jumping on this (the insult) like starving lions.
Pretty heady intellectual stuff????? says Ogreman, interpreting Bambi.
I think we should take these a$$wipes and dump them in a pick up truck and drop them off in the middle of PA during the middle of hunting season and Bambi should be the leader of the pack. i can just see it now. He spots a bowling alley in the distance and he, tweetie, ogremann, roland stumble toward it but their passage is blocked by a couple of burly plaid-shirted brutes who say only REAL bowlers allowed here.
ya know, I’ll spend the weekend sending this to PA news outlets. F his speech in Indiana, F the MSM. it’s PA that matters now.
Juan is spinning this? Oh boy. He’s usually not one for that.
He He, no they are going to go after the writer that put it out. Anything to deflect blame from the Messiah.
moon .. the main plan IMO. Now the spin going out of the huge loss in PA will be ..well, if only he hadn’t misspoke, he was making “inroads” yada, yada, yada.
Anyway…every popular vote now counts….
We got fresh ammo for our phone banking anyways.
no=now
ppl on TM are joking that pundits are doing a What Obama Really Meant (WORM) – if they’d give that leeway to Hillary on Trina Bachtel, on Bosnia, on a myriad of other things, the world would be righted again.
He really remains me of W. Think about it, every time he opens his mouth something stupid comes out.
you know people will notice that obama keeps giving speeches to explains shit, and hillary has not had too
moonpluto,
As someone now living in an area similar to PA demographics, and having seen and read about the HUGE backlash against SPitzer, my take is that the thing people hate above all else is HYPOCRISY!
You can take it to the bank. PA people are gonna be LIVID!
djia – true that. if Clinton misstates something – she apologizes and cops to it. That’s the difference.
You know, what is so sick about him, is he lies about Bill Clinton. He’s trying to make people doubt their own friggen memories. BC built the biggest surplus in the modern era. Al Gore would have used that money for universal health care, to bring green collar jobs to millions of americans. Things were just getting started. Bush effed it up. Bill built it. I just can’t stand this guy for smearing Bill Clinton. Easily the best President for the economy in decades.
Dot48, sorry but that was not planned, that was a fuck up of the first order. It just looks crass and if i lost a primary because of that, he deserves to not get the nomination. He got caught when he thought no one was looking or recording.
What a fuckwit he truly is.
hillbilly,
Errol Lewis said that, not Martin. Doesn’t matter – they’re both slime buckets.
…someone above said that they’re going to go after the reporter re: Obama’s PA gaffe – mayhill fowler I believe is her name, and had heard she’s an Obama supporter who’d maxed out her contribution, and even struggled with whether to report this or not because it could damage BO’s campaign.
What are they going to go after her for – having integrity as a journalist?
Is this ’speech’ gonna be aired on messnbc and cnn?????????
How is all of this going over in PA? How are the various media outlets there spinning it?
olbermann and chuck Todd pretty much trying to spin this as a “possibly” not a big deal kind of story in comparison to the bosnia story………A$SES!!
I hope his ratings go in the shitter
The Obamabots over at DU are having a major shitfit ove Bittergate. I’m laughing my ass off watching them handwring.
basil .. of course.
has Hillary been on live anywhere today? This week?
Piss off the media .. vote for Hillary!
Nothing on dailykos, about Mr. Obama Foot-In-The-Mouth-Disease FITMD.
This also came out of that Fowler article:
Wednesday in Levittown, Obama told his audience, “We can find areas of common ground.” But if we are going to move from divisiveness to comity, then Obama must show that he can lead us to see one another at our best and to measure one another at our highest worth. “I’m going to have a big table and will invite everybody,” Obama often says. These were his exact words to Johnstown March 29. “I’ll have the biggest chair, because I’ll be President,” he added.
What a big-headed somebeech!
Why does he always refer to himself in the third person? Drives me crazy. He sounds like an ass.
inimla
WORM !!!!!
ROTFLMAO! I love that. Just what we need; another inarticulate ADD, linguistically challenged prez. I saw a comedy skit about GWB and his mother and they were doing the pledge of allegiance and GWB couldn’t remember it so Barb was feeding him the lines but then GWB couldn’t pronounce the big words like indivisible . . . .
My real worry is this: The country has displayed enormous proficiency in electing idiots to the highest office of the land…..
Let us vote Mayhill Fowler for best journalist of the week becuase integrity.
Obama live on CNN (online)
mj,
“You know, what is so sick about him, is he lies about Bill Clinton. He’s trying to make people doubt their own friggen memories.”
I believe it’s called revisionist history. You know the saying that the one who wins gets to rewrite the past. What’s so galling about bambi is that he’s trying to do it before he’s even the nominee. And some people are buying into it. But then again he is the Jedi Mind Control Master.
Gotta love the ABC website headline
‘Small Town’ Showdown: Rivals Rip Obama Talk on ‘Bitter’ Pennsylvanians
Ouch that gotta hurt.
moonpluto,
But notice the pic is all him. No where is there an image of HRC or McCain.
Surprise surprise,
The bambi gaffe story is already off Drudge.
Yes but from what I am seeing, this is very very bad for Obama.
Republicans sense an opportunity in the developing storm over Barack Obama’s remarks.
His comments have been distributed to allies on Capitol Hill, to members of the Pennsylvania press corps, to talk radio hosts across the country, to Republican state parties and to the congressional campaign committees. The National Republican Congressional Committee is using the statement to whack Chris Carney, an endorser of Obama and vulnerable frosh member of congress from Pennsylvania.
Looks like he has really got some “splaining” to do.
I bet Drudge has been ordered to remove it by his Master.
moonpluto,Conspiracy buff that I (sometimes) am, it just crossed my mind that what if Bambi KNOWS he’s gonna lose PA and the other big states and KNOWS there’s more sh!t coming his way and is deliberately passing the ball to McCain to circumvent an HRC GE victory if she’s the nominee?
Then everyone can blame her for losing the presidency and he is perfectly positioned for 2012.
Now, I’m not saying Bambi would be capable of devising such a plot but I wouldn’t put it past Axelrod.
oh oh, you know its bad when big league Obama supporters are leaving comments on pro bama sites to the extent of “this is a total candicy destroying fuck up” and “why,why, why, did he say that” or my personal favourite “could he just not have just shut up and thought about what he was saying for a minute”
Haven’t been here lately, but I’m officially announcing this latest thing Obama said as “Snobgate.” I think this has legs, since both the Clinton camp and the McCain camp are all over this. CNN dedicated their entire 7:00 pm hour to it. Obama is simply an elitist snob who has no clue about the feelings and motivations of average Americans.
slowly but surely all these things are adding up to paint not a very nice picture of the Obama’s.
Could just be the last straw.
let’s hope even if Drudge has wiped it off, the rest of the Republicans won’t let this go; from TM poster:
Plus: Rove says on Fox that this will “doom” any chance he has at winning Pennsylvania, while conservative Grover Norquist goes further, telling ABC News: “That sentence will lose him the election.”
thepage.time.com/2008/04/11/obama-small-town-pennsylvania-clinging-to-guns-religion-antipathy-because-theyre-bitter/
Guns, God and Government
Obama Courts Bitter and Clingy Pennsylvanians
abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105455&page=1
McCain aide Steve Schmidt: “It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans.”
30yrdem
I would love to see the day when Mr. Ego has to walk back into the Senate and vote against himself to ratify the November election for Hillary. Thats if he even gets that far…I hope he shames himself right out of the Senate or at the very least they put him up on ethics charges
For your amusement,
Snooping at DU and spot a thread called “Is anyone else angry they’re not carrying Bambi’s speech on live TV?”
Instead they wanna rehash the same old tabloid bullshit over and over. So people only get small snippets of his complete words.
????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yup this is officialy bad for the fuckwit.
whats the saying….. when your in a hole stop digging…
it’s one thing to give repugs the gun..but BHO insists on giving them the bullets too
basil, isnt it fun watching the twits at DU get beside themselves over this, they totally have their knickers in a knot, they know Obama just dropped a big doggy turd on the carpet and its stinking up the entire house.
I personally don’t think that bambi would have contrived ‘bittergate’ on purpose. It’s got too much potential for damaging him not just in PA, as the comments he made are part of a much larger pattern of disturbing comments coming from his mouth. Together they all add up to trouble for him in the GE with working-class white voters.
Then again, bambi has said and done stupid things before so he’s got a track record
Debbie, not just the bullets its like a computer game, he’s upgrading the weaponary now, we’re on level six and we’ve just got the elephant gun.
“Oh, he just said I will spend every day I’m in the White House thinking about you.”
Wasn’t this Hillary’s line? Shmuck.
HRC said
i will spend every day in the white house WORKING for you.
Hillary said she will spend every day WORKING for us.
He’s so shallow. We don’t need thoughts…we need ACTION ..
again, just words, no action
It kind of surprises me that this one remark, of all things, seems to be growing the biggest, fastest legs.
Jen, thats because it is a direct attack on small town americans.
This is a spin doctors nightmare. Hillary should win PA in a landslide now.
Actually, most of the commentators tonight, seemed stunned at this one, its like, you can see them thinking it, that they cant believe how a big a fuck up he’s made. Its written all over their faces.
hannity, sounds like obama is calling the people in PA “gun toting,bible thumping,bigots” (ha ha ha!)
wow…fox..andy card bringing bo down
jen – I’m surprised too, that Rezko, Ayers haven’t exploded onto the scene…while Snobgate has such legs (well, we will see).
basil – i don’t think this is contrived either. he’s spending way too much money on advertising in PA (2.2 million per week) to intentionally lose. his remarks are a pattern – everything from talking about arugula and Whole Food to Iowans, to insulting farmers as inbred – it just finally got to critical mass and being under the front runner microscope and being a republican target to finally explode.
yup djia, thats what i’m guessing a lot of people will be thinking “did that SOB just call me that”
HRC up to 638 G. 3 times what it was this morning!
Moonpluto – I gotta admit it IS fun to see them squirm. So glad you linked DU.
jen
i was born in MI..and yes, it is “michigander”
funny how the slightest remarks show the true character. PA will hear this loud and clear.
Got a question about HRC’s health care plan:
Does it garnish wages for those who can’t afford health care?
andy card said this is pieces of the puzzle of bo and mo..and theres more,,and it will come together.they dont represent there concerns to this country..
keep going andy you tell em..
inninla,
All right. But it makes a good story, no?
With these remarks, Obama might as well have just said Fuck Pennsylvania
moon-p
he just did
linfar Says:
Paddyrhill,
Yu have just regurgiated a mountain of chinese propaganda
Linfar, I think you have drunk the neo-lib Koolaid for too long. So what if you are a Tibetan Buddhist. So were all the other Tibetans who were doing mean things to other Tibetans for all those years. All in the name of heaven. I guess you really did not read my post that carefully. Too anxious to discredit it I suppose. If you would have read it you would have seen that the info I was given was by Tibetans and not Chinese, and not by just a few but by many. And for the most part they were common folks, like those selling Tibetan trinkets to tourists, workers in restaurants, entertainers, etc. They all speak Chinese. Most came from families that had been oppressed in the “good old days.” They had some sad tales to tell. The neo-libs depend on people like you to not catch them in their lies, because on this topic they know most people can not converse on their own in Chinese or Tibetan with Tibetans.
I refer readers to any off-the-shelf history book on Tibet. You will see that many times Tibetans have violently invaded their neighbors including China. So much for peace. Tibetan Buddhism is just another male chauvinistic religion oppressing common folks, especially women, kind of story.
We all know from our support for Hillary how clever the neo-lib media is. Their typical half-lie concerning Tibet is to say that the Chinese media is state-controlled and thereby not to be believed. That part is true. I certainly would not depend on it as my main source of information either, especially on Tibet. But the half-lie is the assumption that since their stories are not state-controlled, they are more truthful. I think we all know on this site exactly how truthful the neo-lib media is. It is as long as you support their ideas.
Tibet is a darling of the neo-libs. Iraq was for the neo-cons. The neo-libs control the media, and especially the internet blogs. Go do your own search to see if you can find any objective reporting about Tibet. You will find about as many as you will find ones concerning Hillary.
You can have your male dominated religions, including Tibetan Buddhism. I don’t believe all this peace business they are spewing for even one second. All major religions are about male religious myths, are run by males, suppress females and belittle their values, and have all used and continue to use male violence to maintain male power. The power struggle in Tibet today is between competing groups of males seeking power through violence. It is the same thing males are doing to keep women from gaining the White House. They used violence to keep the vote from women, and as we have seen on this blog today, they even use it against 90 year old ladies to keep us from sharing power with males at the highest level.
I didn’t write this one,
but a working class guy from Montana has written a diary at mydd about how aweful Obama’s comments are. Please go and recommend it, if you can.
Also Montana pjrimary is still ahead.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/11/192847/375#42
I wonder if Olbermann is going to do a Special Comment about how Presidential candidates shouldn’t be insulting the working-class in PA and how anti-American that is.
filbertsf, no, it does not garneish wages–that’s an Obama smear. it will subsidize people who can’t afford it
hi hillfans, this comment about obama saying voters in pa are ‘BITTER” is the nail in his momentum there.
moonpluto
“Actually, most of the commentators tonight, seemed stunned at this one, its like, you can see them thinking it, that they cant believe how a big a fuck up he’s made. Its written all over their faces.”
Especially Ogremann. He seemed positively subdued when i tuned in by mistake.
OK, all. I’m off to dream about HRC’s victory.
Have more good fun tonight.
paddy4hill,
I will be happy to debate you on tibet anytime, anyplace, anywhere.
But right now I am consumed with helping Hillary to become the nominee.
Why not shelve your rant about tibet and get on with same.
filbertsf, no. She said that they will look at different methods for payment (which will be limited to a small percentage of income).
They may work with employers to have it voluntarily taken out, like your company health plan insurance is now. They may do something where it gets debited against tax refunds. She says there are different ways to do it, and she and Congress will look at what ways will work best.
Filbertsf:
I spent over 8 years overseas in the military, and they (Europeans) pay about 30% of their taxes to the government. Here we pay about 32% and we still do not have medical coverage by trhe government. I prefer to pay a little more in taxes and have my neighbor with medical cover.
capedi,
Fowler who I know from huffpo sat on the story for a week! She also tried in her story to mitigate the comments every which way to Sunday. I don’t think we should go overboard when people take a week to do their job,which is report what happened Accurately.
Thanks guy. There are a lot of people who are misinformed as to Hillary’s healthcare plan. I knew her plan didn’t include wage garnishment, but two posters on this forum repeated the same thing.
I guess Obama’s “Harry and Louise” smear is working.
lninla
I think one of the FOX commentators Julia, said it right… BHO doesn’t have a lot of experience so his WORDS matter
since everyone else around him is screwing up he is removed from it (for now) but when he himself blunders that goes to the very heart of who he is.
well he might have just screwed up montana and south dakota …Hillary wins..people wont like that statement in these states either..small towns not very big cities..its slander towards hard workin americans.. he needs to get out of the race
i dont want preaching speeches everyday for his big goof ups..get out now bo..your done..people in these 2 states will never give up there guns.or listen to your drifting crap and make Americans look stupid,or bitter hes the bitter one..he cant trounce over hillary or mccain.Hes loosing it..put the pressure on him to get out of the race.she had aa’s in her crowds there not fools listening to this jerk
filbertsf Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Got a question about HRC’s health care plan:
Does it garnish wages for those who can’t afford health care?
NO. That has been one of the lies Bo has been spreading in his stump speeches.
One more;
Paddy:
“even use it against 90 year old ladies to keep us from sharing power with males at the highest level”
Are you referring to ABM? He’s a guy.
BTW – I completely agree with your position on religion. Personally, I have my own. It’s a church of one.
is there a video or audio available of the “bitter” comment?
Linfar, nothing to debate. Facts are facts. It’s your problem and not mine.
The issue here is one concerning propaganda and not really Tibet. People are awaking to the fact that the public is being misled by a male controlled media, not just about Hillary, but on many issues. My point has been made.
alcina: check the link for huffington post.
I gotta admit, BO’s comment is offensive. Normally, I would think, “Who cares?” But I’d be offended too if someone call SF bitter or harbor “antipathy to people who aren’t like them.”
I remember a few nights ago, someone on this site said San Franciscans don’t respect the troops. That got me angry b/c it paints us all with a broad stroke and plays on stereotype.
I wonder how Bob Casey feels that the man he endorsed thinks he’s bitter and a xenophobe.
linfar: I understand, but now that the cloud has parted for her, and she can see what an empty suit he is, And she will get all types of attack from the obamabots. We need to be there for her. Maybe there is more that she needs to get of her chest.
thx birdgal
LETS DO A PHONE BOMB ON MARTIN TOMMORROW AT CNN IS ANYONE UP FOR IT?
What is the phone number?
capedi, she is still drinking the kool-aide. Trust me on that one
When I worked at Huffpo, she was supposed to praise and glorify Obama, I was supposed to attack and criticize Hillary. I quit. She didn’t and she has carried his water for months.
thanks basil for letting me know he is a guy and not a her. Doesn’t matter much. Men use as much violence against other men as they do against women.
Here is the thing now.
THESE WORDS HE SPOKE .. all the rest of the stuff they keep saying, well those were not his words,
THESE WERE HIS WORDS…
These will stick.
These are most likely not isolated comments either.
this is what happens when you run a personality based campaign instead of an issues based campaign. your every word is paramount because we don’t know where you really stand on anything you have no track record. now he has to give a speech to clarify…this is weak…everytime he misspeaks he has to give a speech…notice that this guy does not give press conferences..thats because he is dangerous speaking off the cuff, imo. some how i think the repubs are going to have a field day with this guy. both jonnymac and hrc are known quantities, bho is not
I agree with you about that, but we need to show that we are here to help people see how the have been swindle.
paddy,
He wrote such an emotional expose and I had thought ABM was a woman but today he posted he’s a 90 tear old world war11 4 time decorated vet.
linfar,
I agree with you about that, but we need to show that we are here to help people see how the have been swindle.
Do we have video or audio?
filbert
birdgal reference huff-post. tough audio.
alcina, thanks. I was just reading TM and she mentioned the audio on HuffPost.
filbertsf: I was on another board, a few days ago, and someone made a broad stroke comment about the people in Congress from CA, having a history for making assinine comments or being incompetent, based upon, some obtuse comment made by Congressman Issa from San Diego. I felt offended, and responded, that CA was a very diverse state, and not everyone from CA, is the same. BO clumped middle America, into one group, which is offensive.
The audio is on Huffpost, the link is upthread somewhere. Too tired to look for it.
i think the speech thing wont having any legs,he can only do it so many times.Anything he says wont erase these words he has spoken…..Hes doomed himself out of the race for the rest of the states.They will stick!!!! anyway all this stuff with wright and ayers and sinclair…and his wifes IM proud for the first time in my adult life, to be proud of my country..HUH!!! ( think there is more lotts more Who are these people
America does not know them,and there true beliefs,we will never know,until the media does a deep down digging.someone has to bring the truth out on these Obamas,America needs to know,and has the right to know.IF running for the Highest office.
video of BO’s response to “bitter-gate” in IND.tonight
youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/
This guy is not going to survive the GE. He’s just not ready. The GOP will slaughter him.
The audio is difficult to hear. It is not very clear.
Linfar: The diary on Mydd, from the guy in Montana, is very good.
video of BO’s response to “bitter-gate” in IND.tonight
(you need to delete the spaces in the link below)
youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=h t tp:/ / w w w . dailykos . com/
On the gay rumor:
Days before the Iowa caucus – found it bewildering, to say the least, that the popular twenty-year choir director (20 years – sound familiar?) was found MURDERED by MULTIPLE GUNSHOT WOUNDS on Christmas Day – BUT and this is a HUGE BUT – was not reported by MSM for over two days. I remember thinking at the time that the Obama camp, MSM, and the Chicago PD had to be in collusion, because with the notoriety of BHO coming up on the FIRST caucus – this SHOULD HAVE BEEN HUGE NEWS. Instead, it was literally buried on the back page – I blogged and blogged all over comment sections in msm outlets – to no avail. In one snippet – it was mentioned that he was known to be gay.
I’m telling you, people – this was so weired at the time for this to NOT EVEN BE REPORTED FOR TWO DAYS! So, it would not surporise me at all if this was a Chicago hit. Not al all. Go back and try to find an article on the days after the murder. You won’t find any because there weren’t any. A popular choir director for TWENTY YEARS, going unreported from BHO – new politician, just entering his first caucus? Like Bill Cosby says, “Come on, people!”
basil, I thought by his writing he was female too. Maybe men can get more in touch with their feelings as they age? Become more expressive? My father has.
I am especially impressed by his desire to live long enough to see our first woman president. What a remarkable person. He obviously received those medals for doing something honorable. Well, looks like he is still brave, still fighting for his country. May his wish be granted soon. Go Hillary!
Obama Responds to McCain and Clinton attacks in Terre Haute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow
I am sorry but what on earth? The choir person has zip to do with BO. Please, no need to reach so far, and Sinclair is just looking for 15 minutes.
I went to the cnn post of this comment obama made and I have never seen so many obamanots on a comment blog before! Almost all were outraged that clinton, can you believe this shit clinton brought this up and how dare she! The problem is that the obamanots are sooo spoiled on cnn that they know that that place has there back and they get angry when its not on there side, and the worst part is that they don’t care, everyone this is almost a cult here ok they don’t care what this man does or says. If this was hillary, cnn would have there microphones up there butts! PLEASE SOMEONE GET ME THE NUMBER TO CNN/ROLAND MARTIN AND CAFFERTY, WE NEED TO DO A PHONE BOMB AND START ASKING FOR THERE RESIGNATION, OR TO SHUT THE HELL UP! MARTIN WILL ALWAYS DEFEND THIS CROOK AND CAFFERTY JUST NEEDS TO FALL DOWN AND HIT HIS HEAD!
hopefully HRC will take take the “bitter blasphemy” to every rust-belt community, including PA, IN and MI.
linfar Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
capedi, she is still drinking the kool-aide. Trust me on that one When I worked at Huffpo, she was supposed to praise and glorify Obama, I was supposed to attack and criticize Hillary. I quit. She didn’t and she has carried his water for months.
You worked for huffpo? Wow, you should write about that.
BHO can now forget the undecideds and independents now not just in PA but just about everywhere else.
What he has just done is unfortunately push more independents away from voting for democrats. Hillary will bring them back though.
This man is more of the same that we just had 8 years of. He’s inexperienced like
GWB was and he can only speak intelligently when he has a teleprompter or script in front of him..ok GWB couldn’t do that.
But seriously, go back 8 years ago and GWB was going to be the great uniter, the guy every American wanted to have a beer with or maybe a line. The guy that was supposed to change Washington. GWB also won 30 states in the GE lost the popular vote but won the electoral college
see the big media is already making this an ATTACK by Hillary and mccain on him .. rather than focusing on the fact that Obama dissed the whole state of Pennsylvania.
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They have so tanked the media for Obama that unless the print media get this out to the voters and the campaign does ..
I think Obama is digging self deeper with his response…he is really agitating.
Whether choir director linked to BHO or not mj, you have to admit it’s bizarre to not have ANY reporting WHATSOEVER of a POPULAR LONG-STANDING (TWENTY-YEAR) Choir Director, when he was the choir director that BHO would have had to know (20 years?) as a BRAND NEW politician is about to enter the presidential scene within days in the Iowa caucus. You have to ask the question as to WHY WAS THIS NOT FOUND IN ANY NEWS OUTLET FOR AT LEAST TWO DAYS? That’s reeks of cover-up.
Hannity doing obama/ayers this sunday
Gretta is also covering the “bitter-gate” story
I have seen articles on this issue just about everywhere it sure will have legs over the weekend and will carry onto all next week too, as it will be next week before they cover any comments from obama (as said on dobbs)
i don’t think the media can even spin this one away from obama, he was attacking mc cain and Hillary in that statement….msm already said clinton has the right to go after him on this (even olberman/todd said this) …big damage is already done!!
HillBill…….Agreed!
Obama is doing what he does best, try to blame someone else for his trouble.
Hillbilly: how is he agitating? That is his MO, agitating. Remembering the article about the grassroots organizing? Rubbing the sore spots.
cnn, erica hill and candy a$$ already trying to smooth coat it. Only mention “bitter” .. nothing about bibles, guns, etc.
they make me sick. off with cnn I should have known they’d sugarcoat for the candyman.
Did you listen to his response clip?
youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/
You’ll see what I mean by “agitating”
IMO, this latest Obama flap isn’t going to be the “it” we all dream of, or even particularly damaging.
I pointed out a few weeks ago the media was beginning to issue a
“BO is Teflon” narrative, which was their cop out.
They’ll of course use it at every opportunity.
On another level, there’s audio only of it, and the remarks themselves were too drawn out, not that it’d matter with the editorial state of the media.
He could’ve said “All Americans that live in small towns are assholes”,
and they’d angle that off to.”
They’ll give this faux ‘controversy’ coverage, make it seem like the story for a day, maybe two, then move in another direction (as I see upthread it’s already begun).
so now he is making different statements TONIGHT than what he did the other night? OMG this is getting deeper
Get his comments tonight and get them to media…
They cling to religion because they’re bitter? Yikes. How can you sugarcoat that?
Admin & B Merryfield:
No doubt you noticed the total blackout of the popular (gay) murdered choir director on Christmas last year, only days before the Iowa caucus set to propel BHO onto the national stage. I mean it would be different if he had been killed tragically in an accident, but murdered of multiple gunshot wounds? I remember thinking at the time that the Chicago PD had to be hiding something on orders from Obama camp, and this was really before wer know that MSM was in the tank for BHO, but now it all makes sense. So, I think it is fair to ask what the relationship was between BHO and this long-standing twenty-year choir director. Fraternal, whatever. Twenty years is twenty years. Fair question, n’est pas?
Now with his new speech I’ve added a new one:
Typical bitter white gun-toting immigrant-hating nafta-cursing homophobe jesus freaks in small town PA!
They are mad as hell and the aren’t going to take it anymore!
Those still watching Olbermann… what did he have to say about BO’s comment? Did he even mention it?
heres where that fundraiser for BHO was where he said PA people are bitter,
check out these photos
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/
if you read his statements from the fundraiser and see his comments from tonite..he is trying to change to subject..his original comments were derisive and demeaning..oh and speaking of the bankruptcy bill…did’t he vote for ” no limits” on interest that can be charged by cc companies…just askin…
Hillbilly, it’s obvious that BO thought that’s what San Franciscans think about Pennsylvanians. He was trying to “speak our language.”
Perhaps to a small blue dem crowd in PA, Obama is calling us free-willing, military-hating, morally-flexible cretins. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what he really thought of us.
This is what Hillary had to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lG6qfImvTM
debbie, I take offense to links from zombietime.
Zombietime makes it their mission to mock San Franciscans and liberals in general.