More Worries For Donna

Donna Brazile is whining to Hillary Clinton about “angry” Hillary supporters here on Big Pink.

Apparently some commenters on this site have been communicating with Donna on her Blackberry and Donna is not happy to be called out on her Obama bias.

Hillary supporters like Carville and Begala were dumped as commentators by CNN for being open Hillary supporters after Obama complained to Sam Feist of CNN. Donna Brazile deceives CNN viewers by faking neutrality in the presidential race but is not fired.

We certainly hope that the new responsible officials bought in weeks earlier by the Hillary campaign will assess Donna Brazile’s public statements and call for her removal by CNN. Former campaign officials who failed to note Brazile’s pro-Obama tilt are busy today promoting irresponsible proposals to consider the friend of indicted slumlord Rezko on the national ticket.

Obviously these former officials while at the campaign did not fully understand the full corruption of Obama and the Chicago crowd nor did they understand that Obama is simply not qualified to be president. They also did not understand that Obama has already disqualified himself in big swing states Michigan and Florida by disenfranchising those key voters. Hopefully these former campaign officials were the ones leaking doubt to Big Media outlets and they are now gone.

According to Politico, Donna just wants to help Hillary not hurt Hillary. Donna thinks it is Hillary supporters who are “destroying her candidacy”. We provide a complete response email by Donna:

I have not endorsed. So, please do not assume a thing about my conscience but I can honestly say this: no one who provoke this kind of anger in voters deserves to be President.

Honestly, I am so tired of Hillary’s supporters and I believe the vast right wing is also behind these rants.

Do you know how many undeclared supers are now just turned off by people like you? Do you understand you’re hurting her and not promoting Hillary? Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month. You don’t have to email me again.

I am not worthy of your anger or rants. Besides, I head home to Louisiana and I get enough from my own hard working friends and family members.

We assume that Donna is blaming the victim, Hillary, here when she confusingly writes “no one who provoke this kind of anger in voters deserves to be President”. Donna is clearly not aware of the loathing and anger directed toward JFK, FDR, Abe Lincoln and just about any president worth a damn.

Assuming Donna is referring to Hillary, Donna appears in this sentence to disqualify Hillary from becoming president due to the “anger” Hillary “provoke”. In either case, whether Donna is blaming the victim or needs a refresher course in history it’s not as if plenty of Americans don’t find Obama repulsive and will never accept him as president.

If Donna is upset with Big Pink. Donna has more worries coming.

Hillary donors are angry and are threatening to withhold donations and some are already asking for refunds.

Hillary Florida donors are especially angry:

“If you’re not going to count my vote, I’m not going to give you my money,” said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.

Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Florida’s delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back.

“If we do not resolve this issue,” Mr. Korge said, “I think it’s safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.”

There’s a revolt against the men in Massachusetts:

Last week, a group of Democratic women who support Clinton rallied in front of the State House. They want the state’s superdelegates – including Governor Deval Patrick and Senators Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry – to support primary revotes in Michigan and Florida.

The men – all Obama supporters – are less than eager to take up their request. The women, lead by Senate President Therese Murray, have Clinton’s self-interest on their side. But they also have principle.

By disenfranchising voters in two states, the Democratic Party looks less than inclusive; and, Obama, the candidate who promises a different kind of politics, looks like he’s practicing the same old, same old. That’s wrong, and it’s also shortsighted. If the Obama campaign works to stifle votes now, how can any Democratic nominee complain if Republicans do the same in November?

Watch it Donna, those ladies look “angry”:

Clinton won the Massachusetts primary over Obama, despite his high-profile male supporters. Now, Clinton backers are pressuring the male political establishment to support revotes elsewhere.

The State House rally also included Boston City Council President Maureen Feeney; Suffolk County Sheriff Andrea Cabral; former state treasurer Shannon O’Brien; and former lieutenant governor Evelyn Murphy. They are threatening to withhold support for the party nominee, if they don’t like the way the nominating process plays out.

Without us, there is no party. And if we leave, that wouldn’t be good,” said Murray, according to a State House News Service report.

Earlier this year, Murray, the first woman to hold the Senate president’s post, chastised Kennedy and other prominent men for abandoning Clinton to support Obama. “I don’t want to be pushed aside anymore,” said Murray. “I don’t want to be patted on the head, saying, ‘You did a good job on that, but now we got this young person, we got this attractive man, because you can’t get elected because the media said you couldn’t, because the polls said you couldn’t. We’re going to put this guy out front.’ ”

Watch it Donna, these ladies look really really “angry”. They are attacking the hypocrites full on. They are like a “hornet’s nest”, “wasps” – as the Massachusetts Obama male delegation would say:

Kennedy backs a delegate-driven nomination, rather than one determined by superdelegates. It’s a position of some irony, given his stance during the 1980 presidential campaign, when he and incumbent President Jimmy Carter battled through a nine-month primary season. Kennedy came into the Democratic Convention with fewer delegates than Carter, and pushed unsuccessfully for a rule to release delegates from their voting commitment. A few years later, the party embraced the rule that prevails today; so-called superdelegates can pledge their vote to whomever they prefer.

Kerry – the Democratic presidential nominee still haunted by how the votes were counted in Ohio in 2004 – told Clinton’s female supporters he cares about fairness, but has yet to finalize a meeting with them.

Patrick finally agreed to a one-hour meeting set for Thursday, after repeated requests from women who were among his staunchest supporters during his 2006 gubernatorial campaign.

Watch out, guys. Another revolution could be brewing in Massachusetts.

Oh, Donna. It’s not just the donors and the women – there are other troublemakers who are “angry”. There’s this video from “angry” Youtube watchamacallits – Oh, Donna, the internets people are “angry” too at all the ugly media bias – which probably includes you Donna:

It’s not only on the internets, Donna. We are sure you agree: the people are revolting.

They will be “angry” this Friday, April 11, 2008 – outside West 48th Street and Rockefeller Plaza.

Fire up your Blackberry Donna. There is more “anger” ahead.

[We’ll discuss more Donna emails and Donna’s role against Gays and Donna’s hypocritical roles as a “voter rights advocate” in the biggest election swindle yet – the voter disenfranchisement in Florida and Michigan.]

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310 thoughts on “More Worries For Donna

  1. yep, the women are angry. I’m 53 years old and I know what sexism looks like and we’re all looking it square in the eye here. good on those women in Massachusetts.

    This is my new math by the way. this is what I think the obama campaign is afraid of and why they are pushing Hillary to drop out so vociferously:

    rezko + bribery
    ————— = guilty
    Obama + $625k

    If Rezko is convicted of bribery, that $625 “favor” is going to stink up the entire city of Denver. I’ve started asking people flat out how they know it wasn’t a bribe considering that Rezko is indicted for bribery.

  2. Great post admin. Donna is such a huge disappointment. After what went on in Florida when she was managing Gore’s campaign, you will think she will be one of the people coming out and speaking out for the Michigan and Florida voters. She should be ashamed of herself. She is free to support whoever but to lie to people and say she’s neutral? She must think we all are on something really cheap.

  3. Wonderful post admin!

    “I am so tired of Hillary’s supporters”

    The fat beotch can go to hell! I’m tired of her, I’m tired of Obama and his supporters. I’m tired of the mainstream media and most of the newspaper reporters too!

  4. I mean seriously, first No Quarter was a racist site, and now this place? I’m a Black woman from the South and I’ve seen and experienced my fair share of racism, but even I don’t find the need to toss around race cards with such ease. Where is Hussein Obama from, Hawaii? lol

  5. ADMIN!

    Or should I call you ROCKY? You didn’t hold back any punches! All I can say is YIKES, we better fasten our seatbelts and YIPPPPPPPEEEEEE,
    HRC’s lucky to have advocates like you.

    The ‘internets’ must be all a-buzz!

    :mrgreen:

  6. Nice post admin.

    Poor donna. we should all be contacting cnn about her status there. If begala and carville had to go, so should Donna.

    All Montan super ds will give support to winner of the pop vote in their primary.

    SEIU pouring money into PA to support Obama. this is close to a million. Sheee-it!

    30-second spot with direct to-camera appeal by state’s Senator says Clinton is ready to be commander-in-chief, fight for the troops.
    “I’ve known Hillary for twenty years. She’s got a spine of steel.”
    Watch clip above. Read script here.
    Permalink

    Garin: “It’s Not Being Strong for the Sake of Being Strong”

    ROBYN BECK/AFP/Getty
    One of Clinton’s new top strategists hints at a more compassionate message now that Penn is no longer top dog.
    “It’s about a president who can be strong for the sake of making this a better country…” Permalink
    Clinton, Obama to Take Part in “Compassion Forum” Sunday Night

    Getty/CNN/Newsweek

    CNN’s Campbell Brown, Newsweek editor Jon Meacham will moderate 90-minute forum on “faith, values and other current issues” at Messiah College near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania this Sunday.

    Clinton, Obama sit down individually with the moderators on the stage.

    Issues to include poverty, global AIDS, climate change human rights. Permalink

    Two Suburban Philadelphia Counties Flip Democratic

    SEIU Dropping $740,000 for Obama in Pennsylvania

    Plans to spend money on staff, literature for massive canvass of the Keystone State

    Politico: “If money can buy an edge in Pennsylvania, he’ll have it.”

    Update: NYT reports the SEIU and an affiliated health-care local are spending a combined $976,000 for aggressive Obama door-to-door canvassing. Permalink

  7. SUG–i am with you all the way, girl. as a 50 year old AA woman, i have seen my share of racism anf i am TIRED, I TELL YOU, TIRED of hearing this canard over and over again..i think some of the people saying it have never really experienced it and the other half have cried it so much it has lost its sting…

  8. Oh MY GAWD!!!!!

    That video is BRILLIANT! Geekslove had been posting about it but I hadn’t clicked on it until Admin posted it here.

    Carmina Burana! Perfect!
    From the middle to the end I was sitting here bawling my eyes out.
    I HOPE Tweetie,Ogremann, Cadaverty, Scarface, Krapstill and company get a personally delivered copy of this video. If this doesn’t make them feel ashamed, nothing will.

    KUDOS Geekslove! 😀

  9. Linfar Obama out spent Hillary in Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and he still lost and will continue to lose in the G.E. if it wasn’t for the DNC behind him with these Caucuses and the state party allowing all this crap going on…he would be losing.

    so we must fight on and keep fighting on for the heart and soul of the party.

  10. Forgot to ask:

    What’s the song title from the middle of the video to the end? Love it. Personally, I’m more of a classical/Irish aficionado but I would buy that song in a heartbeat. It was PERFECT!

  11. Thanks, Sugar, Caroline, Linfar.

    Someone posted earlier that there is no good news. There is plenty of good news in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. It just does not get reported much by Big Media which wants Hillary out. Hillary picked up an Arkansas Superdelegate today and the Montana superdelagate that left Obama.

    Stop believing “the Math”. There is no such thing. People are people and will do all sorts of things. None of “the math” is solid numbers. Check out this story to see how totally fake “the Math” is: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/840083.html

    Things are going to be all over the place. If tomorrow every single delegate in the planet came out for Obama that does not mean they will be for Obama by the time the convention takes place. That’s the real world “math”.

    One more Rezko flareup (which we are working on), or Obama called to testify, or Rezko flipping and Obama will lose Mayor Daley.

    Pennsylvania is what matters now; Indiana and North Carolina later; Puerto Rico soon. Money always matters.

    The new Bayh ad is good for Indiana where Hillary is leading.

    Our favorite story of the day: Bill in Puerto Rico. http://www.prpolitico.com/

    Don’t buy into Big Media and Obama spin, fight it.

  12. BC in PR

    That is going to be one humdinger of a primary. Puerto Rico rocks and the citizens love politics.

  13. Clinton wows Missoula crowd
    By ERIN MADISON
    Tribune Staff Writer

    MISSOULA — Instead of broadly touching on all her campaign platforms, Sen. Hillary Clinton used her Missoula public appearance to focus on energy policy, fiscal responsibility and higher education.

    “We are going to stand up and say we are on a path to energy independence,” Clinton said to a round of applause during her Missoula appearance Sunday morning inside an airplane hangar.

    After her speech, Clinton fielded questions from the audience.

    During her speech, she talked about developing wind energy, bio fuels and clean coal technology, mentioning the work Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer has done with clean coal. She noted plans to work with the automobile industry to put cars that get as much as 100 miles per gallon of gasoline on the fast track, and to take tax subsidies away from oil companies.

    Oil has gone from about $20 per barrel seven years ago to $112 now, Clinton said.

    “The world changed, and frankly people haven’t changed with it,” she said.

    Clinton appeared in Missoula after speaking at the Mansfield-Metcalf Dinner in Butte on Saturday night. Obama held a rally at the Adams Center on the University of Montana campus Saturday morning before also talking in Butte.

    Initially, Clinton’s only Missoula event was scheduled to be a fundraiser brunch with tickets starting at $250.

    She announced late last week that she would make a public appearance.
    continue

    http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080407/NEWS01/804070302&template=printart

  14. With Brazille (who of course sickens me beyond words), as with so many others, there are no shortage of enemies.

    Question is when will Hil’s camp go after them?
    Directly, specifically, forcefully?

    WHEN?

  15. PR LOOOOVES BC.

    And he is SUCH a ladies man – did you notice the senoras gazing with adoration.

    When he picked up the little girl, I swear he looked like a ‘healer.’

    Great video. thanks for posting. 😀

  16. Hello, has anyone seen any media news on the two super delegates that hillary got today? Also we should contact or protest at cnn for brazil to be let go on cnn for the media bias, considering they had Hillary supporters banned! Im so disgusted!

  17. YIKES!

    Looks like Brazille has been blackberrying her butt off for a couple of years, now.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2006/04/brazile-vs-gays-at-the-dnc-upd.html

    Her stance on LGBT representation from April, 2006.
    Right now the opposition on the committee is coming from Donna Brazile who believes affirmative action should be for people of color only. She also said it would undermine African American representation on the DNC.
    In states such as CA, that already have LGBT goals, Black representation has not suffered at all. Please keep this all in confidence as it is sensitive and any media leaks could seriously jeopardize the Shays
    Amendment from passing. she has even threatened to organize black ministers against the DNC should it pass. Right now we need to organize on two fronts first we need to make sure NY DNC members on the committee
    (Roberto Ramirez, Denise King, Ralph Dawson) are in solid support of the proposal. Secondly we need top lobby members of the DNC African American Caucus which will be discussing the proposal next week. We need to get
    Denny Farrel in strong support.

    My fantasy, and this is one fantasy that you might help fulfill, would be to get Al Shapton in support of the Shays Amendment and lobby the African American Caucus and Donna Brazile.

  18. I just fired off a STRONGLY WORDED e-mail to Donna and suggest you all do the same.

    How could she?? SHE’S A WOMAN AND A TRAITOR ADN SHE WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS!!

  19. win4hill,

    What are you upset about, win? The Carville – Begala ban?
    (I’m mad, too, BTW – just wondered what got under your skin tonight.)

  20. After reading more of the 2006 article, now i REALLY don’t understand how Shay, DNC California, could have sat at the Rules and By-laws Florida sanctioning meeting in August, 2007 and supported the disenfranchisement of FL voters in light of the fact that he is apparently for Civil Rights via LGBT representation.

    Isn’t there a strong link between Civil rights and all groups, including voters shut out of the process?

    WTF is wrong with these people? 👿

  21. CNN’s “journalists” are such lightweights that they can’t even TELL which pundits are biased in Obama’s favor. If the ramifications of CNN’s decisions weren’t so serious, it would actually be funny. Every night, Anderson Cooper frowns thoughtfully at a desk full of so-called unbiased analysts, about 90% of whom are staunch Obama supporters, and asks them what’s going to happen next. Absolutely unbelievable.

  22. Great move by Hillary today, exhibiting quick, clear leadership and leaving Obambi deer-in-the-headlights:

    Clinton: Bush Should Not Open Olympics
    By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer

    Monday, April 7, 2008
    (04-07) 15:58 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) —

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday called on President Bush to boycott the opening ceremonies for the Olympic games in Beijing, a fresh sign that politics, not sports, may take center stage at the summer games.

    The Democratic presidential candidate said a boycott would underscore U.S. concerns about recent unrest in Tibet and questions about China’s relationship with Sudan.

    “The violent clashes in Tibet and the failure of the Chinese government to use its full leverage with Sudan to stop the genocide in Darfur are opportunities for presidential leadership,” she said, charging the Bush administration “has been wrong to downplay human rights in its policy towards China.”

    She said Bush should not plan on attending the ceremonies “absent major changes by the Chinese government.”

    Her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama, recently said he was conflicted about whether the U.S. should fully participate.

    Bush has said he will attend the Olympics because it is a sporting event, not a political event.

    White House spokesman Tony Fratto told reporters Monday that Bush’s position had not changed, nor had the administration’s concerns about China’s human rights record.

    “We have never been afraid to express those views either directly by the president or the president’s senior advisers when they travel to China and publicly,” Fratto said.

    Obama issued a statement late Monday saying he has been “deeply disturbed by the recent events in Tibet, and have communicated my concerns in public and to President Bush,” adding that if China does not take quick steps to respect rights and freedoms in Tibet, “there should be consequences.”

    The political debate over China’s hosting role is rapidly overtaking the sports-themed torch ceremonies around the globe.

    In Paris on Monday, organizers canceled the final leg of the traditional torch run through the city. In the face of chaotic protests and repeated attempts to douse the torch, organizers snuffed out the flame and put the torch aboard a bus in a humiliating concession to protesters decrying China’s human rights record.

    At least two activists got almost an arm’s length away before they were seized by police. Another protester threw water at the torch but failed to put it out before being taken away.

    The disturbances in Paris followed similar efforts in London on Sunday, where the torch was run through another gauntlet of protesters.

    Clinton’s announcement comes as her campaign tries to recover from jettisoning its chief campaign strategist this weekend for his involvement with a U.S.-Colombia free trade deal she opposes.

    Rival Obama said in a TV interview earlier this month that he was “of two minds” when it came to full U.S. participation in the Olympics.

    “On the one hand, I think that what has happened in Tibet, China’s support for the Sudanese government in Darfur, is a real problem,” he said, before adding: “I am hesitant to make the Olympics a site of political protest because I think it’s partly about bringing the world together.”

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, among other U.S. lawmakers, has suggested Bush should consider staying away from the opening ceremonies following China’s crackdown on protesters in Tibet.

  23. Oh, admin, thank you, thank you for shining a light a Donna’s – shall we say – subject verb agreement problems. I have always wondered how she gets away with speaking like that. Well, I know the answer, but I digress. Anyway, this is an excellent post.

  24. WOW!
    Bill-O’s opening statement is all about race-baiters and the white backlash.

    He calls it race-hustlers. “We’ve got your number.”

    Guess the whole show is gonna be about race-baiting.

  25. Basil9 –

    She’s responsible for the FL/MI debacle.

    She is allowed to thump BO’s talking points endlessly on a news network that fired Hillary supporters for being “biased.

    She clearly has no problem bending the rules and playing the Democratic party like fiddles to unfairly get the candidate SHE wants in office, not the candidate the PEOPLE pick.

    You’re darn right I don’t like her.

  26. elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/07/clinton-hospital-story-correct-in-essence-wrong-in-details/

    FOX comes up with impartial details on hillary’ story about the woman who died… its proved that clinton didn’t spin anything.. she was retelling the story as told to her by Cop… fuxck the MSNBC..

  27. Ferrara up next and will talk about how she has been devastated by charges of racism.
    Win4,
    I’m with you and i could add to your list! Just didn’t understand the context of your comments.
    Check this blog. It’s short.
    “Was this Whole Fiasco (Florida/Michigan) Donna’s Doing?”

    Short article but gets at precisely what everyone here has been saying.

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/4/3/122945/9100

  28. WASHINGTON – Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has stopped telling a story of a pregnant woman’s medical tragedy after an Ohio hospital challenged its accuracy last weekend.But recent accounts of the episode have omitted key details that suggest there was more truth in the essence of Clinton’s tale than her critics, and even her presidential campaign, have acknowledged.

    Since early March, the New York senator has often told campaign audiences a heartbreaking story of a young Ohio woman who began having problems with her pregnancy. She said the woman was twice turned away by a local hospital because she had no health insurance and could not pay a $100 minimum charge.

    Clinton, who advocates health coverage for all Americans, put it this way in Terre Haute, Ind., on March 20:

    “I’ll tell you a quick story that I heard in Ohio when I was campaigning there,” she said. “A deputy sheriff told me about a young woman who worked at the pizza parlor there and she worked for minimum wage, she didn’t have any insurance. She got pregnant, went to the hospital — and I don’t blame the hospital. The hospital said, ‘We can’t take any more charity care. You have to give us $100 before we can examine you.’ She didn’t have $100. Went back another time, they told her the same thing.”

    Sen. Clinton said the woman returned a third time “in an ambulance. And they worked hard to stabilize her, and she lost her baby. Then they airlifted her to Columbus to the medical center, and for 15 days they tried to save her life, and she died.”

    THE SPIN:

    Because Clinton never named the woman or the hospital, the story generated only gasps and tears at campaign stops. But on April 3, The Washington Post named the woman, Trina Bachtel, 35, of Middleport, Ohio, who died last August. The Daily Sentinel, a paper published in nearby Pomeroy, Ohio, cited Bachtel’s name the next day.

    With the patient’s name now publicized locally and nationally, officials at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio, feared their facility would be falsely accused. Bachtel was indeed treated in August at O’Bleness, where her baby was stillborn. But Bachtel was never refused treatment there, and she even had medical insurance, the officials told The New York Times in a story published Saturday.

    “We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story,” Rick Castrop, chief executive officer of the O’Bleness Health System,” told the Times.

    Media outlets and political Web sites began criticizing Clinton for retelling the unsubstantiated story. By Saturday night, Clinton’s campaign said she would drop it from her speeches.

    “Candidates are told stories by people all the time, and it’s common for candidates to retell those stories,” said campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee. “In this case, we tried but weren’t able to fully vet the story.”

    THE FACTS:

    Clinton said she heard the story from Meigs County Deputy Sheriff Bryan Holman during a visit to Pomeroy, before the March 4 Ohio primary.

    In a March 26 phone interview with The Associated Press, Holman said he had told Clinton the story in essentially the same way she was retelling it in her speeches. He said he knew the Bachtel story only second hand, and lacked several details.

    The AP then spoke with Bachtel’s aunt, Susie Casto of Middleport, who helped raise the woman. She said Bachtel, who worked at a pizza parlor, did in fact have health insurance when she and her baby died.

    But at an earlier time, Casto said, Bachtel lacked health insurance and ran up unpaid bills when treated at a clinic near her home in Middleport. When she returned for treatment when pregnant, the clinic demanded $100 per visit to help retire the outstanding debt, Casto said.

    Because Bachtel could not afford the fees and found it difficult to travel, her aunt said, she postponed receiving treatment. Bachtel eventually went to O’Bleness, about 30 miles to the north, for attention.

    Casto declined to name the clinics or hospitals involved, and said she felt medical professionals did all they could to save Bachtel and her unborn child.
    Pomeroy has about 2,000 residents and two medical clinics. One is affiliated with O’Bleness, the other is the Holzer Clinic, part of a nine-facility chain.

    O’Bleness Health System spokeswoman Lynn Anastos said Monday that Bachtel was not a patient at their Pomeroy facility and “she would not have been turned away for lack of payment” if she had sought treatment there.

    Holzer associate administrator Jim Blevins said his company has no record of Bachtel being a patient for the past five years. About half of Holzer’s patients are “charity cases,” he said, and the company tries to work out payment schedules with those who fall behind on their bills.

    In some cases, Blevins said, Holzer clinics place “credit restrictions” on patients believed to be able but unwilling to pay their bills. That would not apply to patients needing immediate or emergency care, he said.

    Clinton erred in telling audiences that the Ohio woman lacked insurance when seeking help for her troubled pregnancy. But according to Casto’s account, Bachtel’s medical tragedy began with circumstances very close to the essence of Clinton’s now-abandoned account: the lack of insurance created a $100 barrier to needed medical attention close to home.

  29. well Im a liberal east coast over educated white man who drinks lattes (actually prefer capaccino) and drives a Prius and…

    I’m mad as hell and Im not going to take it anymore!

    enough with the sexism. enough with the misogyny. enough.

  30. uuuuggggggggghhhh! Hannity has dick weed on tonight …. I loath that she-man!! he’s so disgusting!

  31. Carville being silenced on CNN while Donna wasn’t was the last straw. No more CNN for me. That network is garbage.

  32. Ann,
    Caught Jerry. Sad that she was vilified everywhere, from emails to snail mail to blogs, the internet, threats against her job and people trying to get her fired. Bill-O got it right. if a liberal Icon like Gerry is called racist, non-AA’s are going to be even more hesitant to talk about race and that will just set things back.
    Also heard Clarence Page. i used to respect him and feel like he brought a fresh perspective to the talking head shows I no longer watch.. That ended for good, tonight, when he REFUSED to say he was sorry Gerry had gone through the racist storm and instead says he felt sorry for himself. 👿 (I still find it hard to believe I’m quoting Bill-O) 😳

  33. Admin,

    Tremendous post, as they all are.

    Don’t say that enough.

    Thanks for all you do (including putting up with me, which I’ve been told isn’t always easy).

  34. WaPo:

    Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin

    By Anne E. Kornblut

    The aunt of a young pregnant woman who died after a hospital told her she needed to pay $100 up front for care said in an interview on Monday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been telling the story accurately on the campaign trail — following claims by a different Ohio hospital that it did not turn the patient away.

  35. Basil

    I was watching clarence too, what a horse puckey!! I was glad though that O’reilly pointed that out that he had dodged the question 😀

  36. Awwww Bluedem – you seem like a wittle puddy tat. 😀

    All,
    Hannity is supposed to do the William Ayers story tonight.

  37. hey guys, whose the other superdelegate? I got the one about the one from Arkansas but whose the other one?

    Also why isnt this on her website?

    And, we should have a petition telling CNN to remove Brazile

  38. WOW

    Kornblut…….actually wrote something good for hillary??? I am in deep shock if that is true!!!

  39. Basil,
    Hannity (and he is well past despicable, let there be no mistake)
    was already at it today on radio, saying Ayers, in his book in 2001, still wouldn’t apologize (his original quote, paraphrased, was I believe, “we didn’t go far enough) nor rule out trying again to attack the pentagon.
    And Obama has met with him, I believe been on a board of some kind with him, and taken contributions.

    Even I’m not as well versed on the details as should be because,
    DUH! – no one’s covered it!

  40. Watching that youtube video made me cry, and reading those nasty Obama supporter comments made me so mad!!! We HAVE to win this for our Daughters.

  41. Geek

    I couldn’t play your video until after 7 est…too many people draining the pipeline is what they tell me.

    Anyway, I am so, so impressed, and this is not the first one I’ve praised you for. I have now watched 4 times and will send on to my small email list, male and female.

    Thank you.

  42. Is blow job queen Michelle Hussein Obama still really proud of her country, or does Barack Hussein have to win another primary for blow job queen Michelle Hussein Obama to love her country again?

  43. Ellen D. has a poll up on whether HRC should stay in the race. go vote if you have a chance.

    ellen.warnerbros.com/2008/04/should_hillary_clinton_stay_or.php

    just h t t p

  44. where’s the answer? let me know… (read my post) also on Taylor Marsh it said Obama loses two MO superdelegates, help? WHo?

  45. I love that PR video. It is so good to hear that they changed from caucus to primary so that more people could participate. Some of the states here and the DNC can take lessons from that. What is going on with FL and MI is shameful. Someone mentioned Crater in the last thread. I don’t know how that man can support Obama while knowing what he is doing to those states. All around shame!

  46. As I posted last week, she is a tool Of Gores . When the election began, she was very respectful of Hillary…almost timid about saying anything negative about her. Then, once Obama took traction , and in particular, when Obama used the race card in SC, you could see her shifting almost immediately. The CNN panel of Brazile, Martin, Bennett and Borger is by far the most anti Clinton panel on TV( MSNBC is equally biased as Olberman, whom I really admired, really went wacko over Ferrero’s 100% accurate coments.
    Brazile, Dean, the very spiteful Pelosi, and the good old boys club has and shall continue to do everything possible to make it impossible for Hillary to have any chance with the SD’s as well as by what they have done(or rather not done) to include Fl and MI. Hillary and Bill can’t attack them because the media would be all over them. Moreover, these people have enormous influence over many of the SD’s and Hillarycan’t totally alinate them at this time.
    We all know exactly what they are doing as do Hillary and Bill. There will come a time and place for political payback…and the biggest payback will be when loyal dems like me refuse to support BO and vote for Mccain if our Hillary is not the nomiunes because of this unfair anfd biased nomination process.

  47. Just voted. Right now it’s 78% stay and 22% go.

    bluedem, I’m equally embarrassed that I get most news from Fox or Dobbs but I gotta give these guys credit; in this time on these issue they are the only ones stepping up to the plate and even making an effiort to disseminate real news.

    They are earning my respect.

  48. I’m going to revive my indy run analysis here.
    So MJS, you might want to go run some errands.

    I’ve been looking at it to myself, but there has been a lot of defeatist talk here with”who would I ote for, McCain or Bo”
    – and I’m the last to say what anyone should write.

    Whatever you think is fine w/me, though I retain the right to try and persuade.

    That said, there is a very very real chance of fighting and WINNING, either the Dem nod or via an independent run.

    And whatever the chances, there simply is no alternative.
    So start gettin’ used to the idea…..

  49. definitely Basil. Though there’s not a true journalist among them, they’re fully equipped to investigate & report the news.

    Right now, they have what I’d call limited desire (in out BO),
    which I believe is based on assuming BO as the favorite right now and their need is to knock him down a peg or two so McCain would have a shot. They still crack Hill regularly, because for them it’s all no-lose when it comes to beating up Dems.

    It just sounds right because it’s true.
    Normally they’d entirely overlook anything positive for the Clintons.

  50. THANK YOU ADMIN…

    GREAT POST!!!!

    GREAT VIDEO!!!!

    i know someone on here did the video, thanks, another fine job…

  51. OMG ADMINISTRATION!!!!! FABULOUS VIDEO!!!!! SHUT THE FREUD UP!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!! AND ENDING WITH MAYA ANGELOU!!!!!!!!! PRICELESS!!!!!!! BEST YOUTUBE – BAR NONE AND BEST SONG EVER FOR HILLARY!!!!!

  52. skmf12
    it was geek love who made the video
    hit it up again@
    youtube.com/watch?v=4NpbWjGMZH8
    up to about 8k

  53. April 7, 2008
    CNN to air exclusively ‘The Compassion Forum’

    WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democratic presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will participate in a faith and values forum that will be broadcast live Sunday exclusively on CNN.

    Clinton and Obama, in back-to-back interviews, will field questions from CNN’s Campbell Brown and Newsweek’s Jon Meacham as well as prominent members from the faith community. The Compassion Forum, sponsored by Faith in Public Life, will air at 8 p.m. ET on April 13.

    The forum will take place at Messiah College, a Christian liberal arts and sciences school in Grantham, Pennsylvania nine days before the state’s presidential primary. In this hotly contested race for the Democratic nomination, 158 delegates are at stake.

    Topics Clinton and Obama are expected to address include poverty, human rights and the worldwide AIDS crisis.

    “The Compassion Forum will provide the opportunity for candidates to discuss how their faith and moral convictions bear on their positions on these important issues,” according to a statement posted on the forum’s Web site.
    http://www.messiah.edu/compassion_forum/about/

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/cnn-to-air-exclusively-the-compassion-forum/

  54. “If tomorrow every single delegate in the planet came out for Obama that does not mean they will be for Obama by the time the convention takes place. That’s the real world “math”.”

    EXCELLENT point admin!

  55. First i want to start off by saying that I am a 46 year old Man. I have 3 grown daughters and a beautiful wife of 25 years. That said I am pretty sad tonight! I have always been a supporter of “The Clintons”! some would say a “Rabid” Supporter of them. Yes I am and I am VERY proud of that fact. I remember all that Bill Clinton has done for this country and I lived through those “bad” years of the MSM attacks and those of the Right wing nut jobs! What saddens me tonight{ but doesnt surprise me} are the vicious attacks that have taken place against a Noble woman who has tried her entire public life to better the discourse in this country! I remember telling my girls that If they ever had desire to look up to someone as a Hero…Then my wish for them would be to hold their Mother and Hillary Clinton as those models. I saw i n Hillary and still do, a strong, decent, careing, and yes Honest woman! I should be so lucky that my girls would aspire to the heights she has. They are already strong proud women! What saddens me most are the attacks, the name calling and the general hatred she has garnered for just being a strong woman. I feel great saddness for all those “Mem” and I use that term lightly, that they should attack a woman in this manner. Hillary Clinton will always be held in the highest regard in our home. I am so glad i found a place were others think and feel like i do…I guess i am not as sad as i was when I started writing this. I believe there is hope for us yet.

  56. maybe standing 100 feet from polling places in PA with a boom box playing Wrights speeches wouldn’t be a bad idea

  57. yeah, henry great idea!

    lets not sit back and think the polls are rigged, lets ensure Hillary does win there

  58. overkill?
    on e day might have more of an impact. but i def plan on doing it nov if hill is not nominee

  59. no one answered my questions above… I read that Hillary picked up two superdelegates one is from Arkansas but the other is who?

    Also I read that Obama lost two MO superdelegates? true?

  60. A new place to start sending our money if Brazille et al succeed in silencing Hillary:

    tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/conservatives_planning_new_att.php

  61. Donna Brazile: Comedian.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&
    # djia Says:
    April 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    2nd (email from Brazile):

    I just sent Hillary a private email telling her that supporters like you are destroying her candidacy.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Okay, that’s funny, right? Maybe she thinks that Hillary’s is completely unaware about Brazile’s overt pro-Obama stances. Does she think Hillary is, like, dumb?

    It is she and Obama shills at all levels of the Dem party that are trying to destroy her candidacy. Not Hillary’s most ardent supporters.

    Maybe Brazierre has ***no idea*** of the level of vitriol displayed by the Obamabots on the web, blogs, and in caucuses… Of course, she does. But she’s just lying to everyone:
    * lying that she’s not pro-Obama
    * lying that Hill’s supporters are killing her candidacy
    * lying that counting MI/FL would be unfair

    Please, others, chime in here…add to the laundry list.

  62. Henry
    Check first to see if you need a license to do this. We don’t want you getting in trouble

  63. justmeinmountdorafl

    Montana’s Margaret Campbell.

    State rules don’t allow endorsements she says. Also Montana’s Jeanne Lemire Dahlman might reconsider Obama endorsement depending on the June 3 Montana primary results.

  64. rgb44hrc, can you imagine the look of stupifaction on Hillary’s face when she read that email. The laugh must have shaken windows.

  65. @justmeinmountdorafl

    this is all i could google up on it…

    hillary clinton picks up arkansas superdelegate:
    w w w . todaysthv.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=63646

    obama looses SD in montana today

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/07/no-endorsement-from-montana-superdelegate/

  66. I posted this last night but feel it is worth repeating. This is a powerful video.

    “The King Maker”

  67. thanks – you’re the best!

    lets continue to work hard! Lets pull a surprise for HILLARY BY A LARGE MARGIN – this then will help translate a win in NC! Obama at this time will start to lose funding as he’s been SPENDING huge in PA and previous large states

  68. after all this spending in both texas and Ohio and now PA and NC……..if he cant pull a HUGE lead over clinton

    I believe we will see the SD pulling back and away from him big time

    oh by the way…….I forgot to mention when at wally world today in the check out line was the new “globe” (i know they write trash but couldn’t help myself) i had to open it up and see what they had on Oprah and Obambi and the “FEUD” that is brewing
    between them…..

    well, I think that was a misleading headline for sure, as the article goes on and talks about how she’s been feuding with those close to her that are telling her to drop Obambi like a hot potato and she is refusing to do that……..hmmmmm!!
    Iwonder what is going on on the phone wbetween her and obambi ??……..ok thiss sux not being able to see what i am typing LOL… please excuse any typo’s 😀

  69. dija, I truly hope so! I truly hope so! It would be great for Hillary to say, see this is why Im not quitting the race! But most importantly if Hillary (or should I say, WHEN) Hillary wins big in Penn by 10 or greater people will start looking at Obama’s electability

  70. rickroberts, he definately sounds very cocky, he obviously doesnt really know what Hillary has done as a first lady. How typical of him. Plus sorry what he experienced as a child does not entitle him to be the strongest presidential contender esp. missing the sub-committee meeting on Afraganstain (sp?) because, “I’m too busy campaigning,” being friends with a terrorist, and so on forth. Remember the movie the Omen how the son became the President because people found him to be ‘charming’ and ‘all that’ and then when he actually became President all fell apart?

  71. @justmeinmountdorafl

    I hope so too!

    I was talking with some friends sat night, they are not Pol junkies like me , but they have heard the stuff on bambi and are totally against him….. and i live in iowa……so i am hopeful the tides are changing around here! and hopefully before our district convention! which i think comes after PA…….i hope!

  72. Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin

    blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/07/clinton_told_true_tale_of_woe.html

  73. Little stories that doubt Hillary’s honesty make news. Stories like BO losing delegates never surface but in little pockets of news sources that only die-hard junkies know about.

    The whole hospital bit is now making the rounds. Even if what she said is accurate, the spin is how the veracity is being challenged. That’s enough to feed the negative news cycle.

    Yahoo always seems to highlight everything and anything negative, so long as a Clinton is involved.

    I guess I should go back to making Hillaryhub.com my homepage.

  74. # justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    it would be great if some people from IOWA start to switch sides to Hillary ;_)

    I totally agree!! 😀

  75. Goodnight my friends! GO HILL-TEAM

    Donate! Hillary needs it! Encourage your friends, co-workers, and family to do the same!

    She’s got ways to go before PA primary so help her!

  76. Last night at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Barack Obama took a question on what he’s looking for in a running mate. “I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I’m not as expert on,” he said, and then he was off and running. “I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area–foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain.”

    “It’s ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags ‘I’ve met leaders from eighty countries’–I know what those trips are like! I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then–you go.”

    “You do that in eighty countries–you don’t know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa–knowing the leaders is not important–what I know is the people. . . .”

    “I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college–I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. . . .”
    OMG….he “traveled to Pakistan while in college” and he is comparing that to the international and defense experience of McCain who has earned the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross. Served in the Navy for 23 years, has been in the Senate for years and is the ranking member of the Armed Services committee and

    Clinton who was deemed a “co-president” by Judicial watch after reviewing her papers as First Lady and was there during the negotiations over Northern Ireland, during the Bosnia war and has been all over the world in official capacties?
    This guy’s hubris knows no bounds.

  77. The press reports none of his lies, but now they’re making up lies about Hillary because they can’t find any to report on. They ignore his and fabricate hers.

  78. I’d like to know why Donna hates the gays? Seems like she’d fit in quite well with the lesbians I know.

    I wish one of the big guns would go down to Florida and make a provocative speech for the cameras. Really call the dogs out for the disenfranchising voters. Put Dean and Obama on the defense. Dramatic enough to make the news, seems the only way it will get coverage. What happend to responsible journalism?

  79. # admin Says:
    April 7th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    rgb44hrc, can you imagine the look of stupifaction on Hillary’s face when she read that email. The laugh must have shaken windows.
    &&&&&&&&&

    I could imagine several possible looks on Hillary’s face, one of them being a guffaw. Other looks in the next few seconds:

    * bewilderment (the gall)
    * anger (“Who is this Donna person who thinks we’re still best chums or something”)
    * exasperation

    To me, Brazile’s gall matches that of Obama when he’s made his “she’s likable enough”-type snarky comments.

    But really, what could Donna B. really be thinking when she sent that email: “Hillary is going to listen to this good advice because it comes from a close friend who has stayed by her side through thick and thin”. ????? NOT!!

  80. Emjay,

    I read the news about Bill Clinton in PR and saw the video. People were so excited! I couldn’t go because I was giving class. Classes at my university will be over early May, so I will be able to dedicate time to the primary and do what I can for Hillary. As long as a person didn’t vote in the Republican primary (around 200 people did), that person can vote in the primary. We don’t have to be registered Democrats because we don’t vote for president. (Weird, huh?)

  81. I hope people in the New York area can go to the protest on media bias on April 11. Info is on

    hillaryclintonforum.net/april11

  82. Continued Media Consolidation.
    Needn’t wonder why the real stories don’t get out.
    The tighter the control, the easier the news becomes to manipulate.

    From Tomorrow’s NY Times:

    CBS Said to Consider Use of CNN in Reporting
    By TIM ARANGO

    CBS, the home of the most celebrated news division in broadcasting, has been in discussions with Time Warner about a deal to outsource some of its news-gathering operations to CNN, two executives briefed on the matter said Monday.

    Over the last decade, CNN has held intermittent talks with both ABC News and CBS News about various joint ventures. But during the last several months, talks with CBS have been revived and lately intensified, according to the executives who asked for anonymity because of the confidential nature of the negotiations.

    Broadly speaking, the executives described conversations about reducing CBS’s news-gathering capacity while keeping its frontline personalities, like Katie Couric, the CBS Evening News anchor, and paying a fee to CNN to buy the cable network’s news feeds.

    Another possibility, these people said, would be for CBS to keep its correspondents in certain regions but pair them with CNN crews.

  83. wagner1jc Says:
    “I’d like to know why Donna hates the gays? Seems like she’d fit in quite well with the lesbians I know.”

    All I can say is, you need to meet some different lesbians!

  84. I kind of wonder if the media bias might actually be helping Hillary, and McCain as well. Everybody who is paying attention knows that most of the mainstream media are in the tank for Obama. Unless you’re a total Kool-Aid drinker, this is SCARY, the kind of thing you’d expect from Cuba or China or the former Soviet Union (or even the present-day Russia under Putin), but not in the United States. We’re supposed to be above all that, but we’re not. We Hillary supporters can’t possibly be the only ones to have noticed what has happened to the fourth estate in this country.

  85. vote for Hillary in this poll!

    ellen.warnerbros.com/2008/04/should_hillary_clinton_stay_or.php

  86. Today on “Ellen,” Hillary Clinton explained her April Fool’s joke on the press, and told Ellen, “your personal admirer and friend Chris Matthews was in the front row” of her faux-press conference where she challenged Barack Obama to a bowl-off.

    Matthews visited Ellen last month and, while dancing with the host, managed to grope her and throw her to the floor.

    “Don’t dance with him,” Ellen told Hillary. “Don’t do it.”

    Hillary replied: “Well, I feel like he manhandles me every night.”

    “He was just laughing after it was over,” Ellen said. “He didn’t even realize what happened.”

    “That happens a lot in the political coverage I get,” Hillary said to Ellen.

  87. ^lol. I just think Donna needs to be outed if she is going to make denigrating remarks in public about gays. She’s the new J. Edgar Hoover, only he looked better in a dress.

  88. Admin,

    Thanks for the politicopr.com address. I was able to sign up for Hillary’s local campaign.

  89. Jen,

    “I kind of wonder if the media bias might actually be helping Hillary”

    I now what you’re saying, but only a small fraction see it for what it is.

    It’s unfortunate, but most people are too busy or too dumb to realize what’s happening.

    Put another way, how do you think we got into tis fix?

  90. “It’s ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags ‘I’ve met leaders from eighty countries’–I know what those trips are like! I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then–you go.”

    “You do that in eighty countries–you don’t know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa–knowing the leaders is not important–what I know is the people. . . .”
    *****************************************************
    This guy is an arrogant fool!

    He’s the left George W. Bush…Bush said the same thing when he was running for president. Saying I’m an Oil and Gas man and have close relationships with the middleeast because of going over there and negotiating oil deals.

    Now, look where we’ve at 8 years later with our foreign policy.

  91. I saw a clip of Jon Stewart mocking Matthews for his fawning of Obama at the recent College Bowl (?).

    Matthews acted like he had a school girl crush. Whatever you may think of BO or Hillary, it’s just unprofessional how he’s conducted himself in the last 3 mos or so.

    I know it’s cable news and the rules are more relaxed, but cable is now mainstream and “journalists” need to respect their audience and their profession.

  92. BTW, I caught the last part of the Ellen DeG show today. We now know that Hillary is a terrible bowler, but that’s not what I wanted to comment about.

    Ellen, who is a mere celebrity, showed more grace and professionalism than the so-called journalists like Olbermann and Matthews. She states very impartially that it is no one’s right to force Hillary out of the race. That right belongs to voters.

    She said don’t listen to anyone and let the voters decide.

    Can you believe it takes a comedian to state something that is so true, yet so obvious?

  93. Hi All:
    Just wanted to address something that keeps coming up but there’s not a lot of good answers on….(at least I haven’t heard a very clear explanation from HRC HQ or elsewhere) so I did a little research (sorry, this is long but issue is complicated).
    The following web address gives a pretty good synopsis of why the DNC disallowed the delegates from MI and FL–but it also provides LOTS of ammunition for why that was an unfair. I urge you all to read it—but here it is in a nutshell:

    DNC 2008 conventions Rule 11A “Delegate Selection Rule” basically dictated when various states could hold their primaries—As we know, MI and FL broke these rules—BUT—So did Iowa, NH, and South Carolina
    Obviously none of those states were stripped of their delegates
    All states should have been punished under Rule 20.c.1.a—and all delegates AND super delegates in those states would be reduced by 50%.

    However, under Rule 20.c.5 and 20.c.6, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Cttee has the authority to “impose sanctions the committee deems appropriate”
    Which they exercised in FL and MI by stripping them of all their delegates; and in IA, NH and SC by stripping none of them.

    http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/node/view/5465

    Now, to me, this seems very strange, indeed. Since there were clear consequences spelled out already (50% loss)–it seems strange that ALL the delegates were lost in 2 states HRC won (MI & FL) and NONE of the delegates were lost in 2 states Obama won (IA, SC)
    The delegates were counted in one state HRC won (NH)—however there was no statistical difference/advantage in NH to either candidate since the margin of victory was so small. (Clinton: 39%; Obama 37%–both received 12 delegates)

    However, the margin of victory in FL and MI were much greater:
    Florida
    Clinton: 50% 106 delegates
    Obama: 33% 67 delegates

    Michigan:
    Clinton: 55% 86 delegates
    Obama/uncommitted: 40% 62 delegates

    Florida is perfectly straightforward; both were on the ballot, neither campaigned (although Obama ran TV ads)
    “The state ran afoul of the committee’s new primary rules when it decided to adhere to a new [FL] state law that moved the primary to Jan. 29, in violation of the DNC rule preventing unapproved states from holding a nominating contest before Feb. 5. The rules committee officially found the delegate selection plan Florida submitted to be in noncompliance Saturday when it adopted [Ralph] Dawson’s resolution.
    Florida party representatives argued unsuccessfully that they should be given an exemption and not be punished because they had taken “provable, positive steps” to obey the rule, but they were unsuccessful because of the actions of a Republican controlled legislature and a Republican governor.“We’re asking for mercy, not judgment,” Florida DNC member Jon Ausman told the committee.”
    http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/dnc-tells-florida-dems-to-change-primary-plan-2007-08-25.html

    So who is Ralph Dawson that brought the resolution not to seat the FL delegation? Mr. Dawson is an uncommitted delegate from NY (rare in Hillaryland) and Howard Dean’s former college roommate. He has given $1250 to Obama; $450 to Clinton. He is on both the Rules Cttee and the Credentials Cttee (critical to deciding who gets seated at the convention). As many of you know, Obama shill Donna Brazile was also named to this cttee as well.
    http://www.observer.com/2008/patient-uncommitted-superdelegate-new-york-ralph-dawson
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/nyregion/13about.html?_r=1&fta=y&oref=slogin

    In, Michigan as John Fout points out in “The Street” 4/1/08 (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10410164/1/electability-is-name-of-the-game.html) Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot as part of his campaign’s strategy to focus resources on South Carolina–Clinton was leading by double digits in both states. Although Obama and Edwards removed their names from the ballot, it’s not true that Clinton’s was the only name on the ballot; Kucinich, Dodd and Gravel were also listed.

    Feel free to share/post if you deem this of interest…

  94. There is absolutely no reason for Hill to withdrawl. Neither can win the required delegates. With the inclusion of FL and MI(including their SDs), she may be even or ahead of Obama right now, and she’d be behind in the pop vote by a tiny amount.

  95. just think how much she would be ahead if she were given FAIR media coverage and the MSM actually went after BO once in a way for all his LIES

  96. “Matthews acted like he had a school girl crush.
    Whatever you may think of BO or Hillary, it’s just unprofessional how he’s conducted himself in the last 3 mos or so.”

    Try the last 15 years.

  97. Blue, I haven’t been watching Matthews that long. Maybe for a year or a year and a half.

    Actually, I’ve stopped watching MSNBC altogether (with the occasional hiccups) since January.

  98. OMG

    If you want to see intelligent discussion, go watch Hill talking w/ her former nemisis at

    >

    skmf12 posted the link.

    The difference btwn Hill and BO/McCain on foreign policy is palpable and nothing short of brilliant!

    This new site has been set up by our old friend Alegre, it appears, and we should all go look.

  99. monkeybusiness Says:

    April 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am
    just think how much she would be ahead if she were given FAIR media coverage and the MSM actually went after BO once in a way for all his LIES

    That’s a very point. Last night, I railed against Mike Trujillo. But it wasn’t a fair attack. Hillary, staff and supporters are fighting three opponents: GOP, BO people, AND the media.

    She just can’t seem to get a fair shake. If I was a novice to politics and I watched/read MSM, I’d have a very poor assessment of Hillary, too. The negative narrative is just nonstop.

  100. filbert, you forgot she fighting the dnc too. There is no possible way that they are not against her!
    Just a thought, if they all have figured out that BO is a sunk duck, then all of the sudden they want to put him with her, it kind of makes you wonder. He would take her down with him and then they would of finished off the Clintons for good. It just makes you wonder what they have in mind!

  101. Maybe Hill should just go ahead and loan herself some more money. She needs to win PA and he and his endorsers are spending so much.

  102. I was reading comments on Hill’s site about her breast cancer plan and someone actually said it may turn off men. What a catch 22. Finally, a presidential candidate who focuses on womens issues(which of course tend to effect entire families), and that’s somehow an insult to men. I don’t get it. I will assume most men wont feel this way.

  103. mj, i saw a blog on talk left, a man was complaining, couldn’t understand why we couldn’t spend that on prostate ca. Well all of men’s disease are always more well funded than womens.

  104. mj Says:

    April 8th, 2008 at 12:40 am
    I was reading comments on Hill’s site about her breast cancer plan and someone actually said it may turn off men.

    Really? Someone managed to turn a positive into a point in which to attack Hillary?

    Reminds me of the criticisms Angelina Jolie got for having the gall to adopt kids from Third World countries instead of American kids. Geez. If those people felt so strongly, maybe they should get their asses up and adopt the American kids. The kids aren’t going to adopt themselves.

  105. I think men sometimes feel uncomfortable talking about breast cancer and other “women’s” health issues. However, the women who suffer from breast cancer all have men in their lives– husbands, sons, fathers, brothers, friends– who suffer as well. Also, men can and do get breast cancer.

  106. You know, I think that the hospital story presents Hillary with a golden opportunity to really make the case to the people that she is, indeed, the People’s Candidate.

    This is my opinion on how she should respond to all questions from the press regarding the issue:

    “You know, it was an annecdote that was related to me as an example of how broken our the Healthcare system is in America today. No hospitals were named and the patient was not identified. Because the story was so compelling an example of the problems we face with Healthcare, some reporters decided to give this story the kind of attention that it deserves. I know that some reporters are now interested in faulting my retelling of the annecdote and are choosing to focus on that aspect of the story. But, you know what’s important to me? What’s important to me, is that because of this focus Trina Bachtel’s tragic story is getting national attention.

    As you know, Universal Healthcare has long been a goal and a passion for me. I hope this attention will remind Americans that Universal Healthcare is a goal we all need to be demanding that our elected officials should be achieving. Right now, my heart and my prayers are with Trina’s family who have been forced into the spotlight through no fault of their own.”

    PS: Sometimes I get write posts out and then abandon them unposted because what seemed so profound and important ends up sounding…well…arrogant. I mean, who am I to be advising one of the great political minds of the 21st Century. I wouldn’t normally have posted these musings, but…

    Wow! Writing that out proved to be much more difficult than I imagined. It’s clear that Hillary has to say something but finding the right something is excrutiatingly difficult when you know that every syllable of what comes out of your mouth will be examined and dissected and used to attack you.

    That she has accomplished what she has in this toxic environment is nothing short of miraculous. My admiration for Hillary grows by leaps and bounds with every passing minute.

  107. I agree with your post. This is an opportunity. Hill has already warned about the forces coming out against universal health care, this is just an example of what’s to come.

  108. Most of all, they want to inject themselves into the national conversation — a process that started with Bill Clinton traveling Monday to five events across the island. He never came here as president — no U.S. president has visited in 45 years — but he spoke Monday as though he may be back soon.
    “You might actually determine this election,” he told the crowd in Barceloneta. “If you vote for [Hillary] and give her a big margin, she’ll be the nominee and she will always honor your support.”
    For Bill Clinton’s visit, the campaign mostly acquiesced to the Puerto Rican model. He packed seven events, five of them public, into 30 hours on the island. Disc jockeys played at most of the venues. Dozens of local politicians made introductory speeches. On his right wrist, Clinton wore a woven friendship bracelet.

    By arriving in Puerto Rico before Obama, the Clinton campaign hoped to solidify an already-strong advantage here. Clinton represents more Puerto Ricans as a senator from New York than any other stateside politician, and Spanish-speaking voters in Texas and California voted overwhelmingly for her. Obama’s campaign, meanwhile, has yet to recover from the indictment last month of Gov. Anibal Acevedo Vilá, his most prominent Puerto Rican supporter.
    “With a few good Clinton events, some more local press, this thing could be pretty much locked up,” said Francisco Domenech, a Puerto Rican superdelegate who supports Clinton.

  109. Well, I would’ve sided with Penn on this one;

    Just after Hillary’s Ohio and Texas wins, Penn credited the actual ad, which contained no direct hit on Obama, with breaking his momentum.
    But the version that did this — to the extent that the ad worked — was a later, and more positive spot, than one initially proposed by Penn, the source says.
    “This was the way it was originally conceived,” the adviser says. “It did not say the words `Barack Obama.’ But there was a contrast part. It had a clear hit on Obama and it also had a much more negative feeling with the music.”

    The adviser continues: “The original ad asked, Who would you prefer answering the call — someone with strength and experience, or someone who’s untested?”

  110. UH, cnn posted that a large group of superdelegates for Obama voted for him out of guilt or arm twisting as they said from their kids. KIDS! Wait a minute, you are telling america that these people in power are making decisions based on young kids? This is really getting out of hand! I actually thought about this a few days ago, I told my husband that most people that voted for him at caucuses were because there kids pushed them to and made them feel bad, the ones that have no brain of their own.

  111. Good morning, Hillfans.

    For those concerned about Tibet, check out this brand new blog by RW-friend John Batchelor

    torchwatch.blogspot.com/

  112. lol, funny and to the point diary admin. donna “brillo pad” brazile should be smoked out as a thinly masked obamabot. she should be kicked off cnn also!!!

  113. winhillary

    That has me wondering just how many of Obama’s so called SD will really vote for him when the time comes. The best way to stop being constantly harassed is to say yea, I’ll vote for him and not really mean it.

  114. did you just post that the superdelegates (the ones that are supposed to know what is best for democrats) decided who they will support because their children wanted them to. OMG, what in world are we supposed to do now! Lets hope and pray they’ll be enough SD’s with common sense to override the stupid ones!

  115. “He’s a complete Barackomaniac,” Mr. Doyle said in a phone interview. “When I asked him why, he said, ‘I think he’s really going to work hard for us.’ I thought, that’s it through the eyes of a 7-year-old. ‘He’ll work hard,’ and ‘for us.’ ”

    Unrelenting pressure. THIS WAS A MOTHER THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HER 7 YR OLD SAID HE’LL WORK HARD. I think im going to get sick!

  116. The stealth campaigning was more persistent in the home of Senator Casey, 47. Mr. Casey, who had intended to remain neutral, noticed how excited his four daughters, ages 11 to 19, were about Mr. Obama. The autographed Obama posters on the bedroom walls. The self-imposed hush in the living room when Mr. Obama would give a televised speech.

    His daughter Julia, 13, would say, “Dad, when are you going to endorse Obama?” Mr. Casey recalled in a phone interview. “My response was, ‘I’m thinking about a lot of things, Julia.’ And she’d laugh and say, ‘Dad, answer my question.’ ” THAT’S IT IM MOVING TO CANADA!

  117. This is sick. A bunch of children are picking our nominee? You know, dumbasses, your kids get into a lot of fads, and then they drop them. What the hell?

  118. These stories about kids urging their parents to go for BO are plants,
    a 2nd phase continuing the Obama-as-icon image they’ve sought to emphasize.

    Get the fuck outta here!

  119. Blue Dem, other politicians have used children to build a “movement”. It’s sick. I read in TX he was texting kids to get them to get their parents to vote for him. What a bunch of mindless drones.

  120. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 7th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
    WaPo:

    Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin

    By Anne E. Kornblut

    The aunt of a young pregnant woman who died after a hospital told her she needed to pay $100 up front for care said in an interview on Monday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been telling the story accurately on the campaign trail — following claims by a different Ohio hospital that it did not turn the patient away.
    ———————————————–
    Good for you bluedem> this needs to be spit back in the face of the corrupt media people who were perperating the lie. This is predisely the kind of lie that numb nuts olberman would spread, and when the truth comes in he never retracts. BTW that is the test of a credible network–correcting misstatements. Ever heard numb nutts so that?

  121. casey? after we learn he takes his marching orders from a 13 year old. Sure want him to represent me. Get rid of that igoramus and hire the kid–just eliminate the middle man and you will still get the same bad decision faster and cheaper,

  122. We are not the only ones who think the DNC leadership is short on management skill and leaderdhip ablity. A senior Republican campaign official told me today that Dean Pelosi and Brazille couldn’t manage whore house in a gold rush. Naturally I was deeply offended and I stuck up for them–just as much as they stick up for Hillary–every chance they get.

  123. know what, wbboei,

    they’re managing to swipe this nomination (they have lots of help of course) just fine unless someone stops them.

    I can’t even entertain the idea of them governing. Can’t do it.

  124. Umm… WTF?

    The South Bend school that turned down a visit from Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton because it would be “too disruptive” is now hosting an event for her democratic opponent.

    Presidential Candidate Barack Obama will stop at Washington High School on Wednesday as part of his “Road to Change” tour.

    Administrators may have decided to let Obama campaign there this week because South Bend Community Schools are on spring break.

    The event begins at 10 p.m. at the school. Tickets are available on a first-come first-served basis.

  125. I just re-learned a lesson last night.

    I went to the Univ of KS for undergrad. The jayhawks were in the NCAA basketball championship last night. I watched until the game had 1:23 seconds left. The Jayhawks were behind by 6. I went to bed…..didn’t look good. Couldn’t pull it off.

    Woke up this a.m. and THEY WON! Moral………NEVER walk away from the game. when the chips are down, you just double down and work even harder.

  126. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 8th, 2008 at 3:59 am
    know what, wbboei,

    they’re managing to swipe this nomination (they have lots of help of course) just fine unless someone stops them.

    I can’t even entertain the idea of them governing. Can’t do it
    ———————————————–
    BlueDem: sad to say its been more us than them but with MP gone there is hope

    i trust hillarys statement that there will be some twists and turns no one is anticipating

    if we do our part and win on the ground by respectable margins then it comes down to sds

    I have sent hillbilly a good working draft of my letter to sds for posting in the secure portion of her site

    I would appreciate your thoughts if you are signed up at her site as well. I think it is firing for effect.

  127. Let’s keep promoting a campaign for DB to be taken off of CNN as a regular pundit or at least have her designated as an Obama supporter. Below is the email I sent to CNN. I enourage others to do the same. Thanks.

    Hello,

    As you know both James Carville and Paul Begallia were taken off of CNN as regular pundits because they are supporters of Hillary Clinton. That is fine. But CNN still uses Donna Braizille as a regular pundit even though she is clearly an Obama supporter. Fair is fair. Either have her designate her support openly or remove her like you did Carville and Begallia.

    As of now me and my family will not be watching CNN until this inequity is cleared up.

    Thank you,
    Tim

  128. wbboei-

    well put! you make an excellent point as always. I will read your letter in a bit and give you my input.

    Thanks!

  129. Ronald: thanks, but i doubt Hillbilly has it up yet. I sent it to her by email. I imagine she will post it later today and I will look forward to your comments

  130. Ann Says:

    April 8th, 2008 at 6:35 am
    I just re-learned a lesson last night.

    I went to the Univ of KS for undergrad. The jayhawks were in the NCAA basketball championship last night. I watched until the game had 1:23 seconds left. The Jayhawks were behind by 6. I went to bed…..didn’t look good. Couldn’t pull it off.

    Woke up this a.m. and THEY WON! Moral………NEVER walk away from the game. when the chips are down, you just double down and work even harder.
    ****************************************************
    Wow Ann what a great lesson, never, ever give up even when you think it’s over, it’s not over.

  131. Morning Joe has reported that the Was.Post now reports that Hillary was crrect when she repeated what the Deputy and the family said about the poor girl amd her baby died,because of her lack of cash and insurance.I wonder if the networks will report the correction.Hillary looked great and was her usual sharp and absolutely on the subject.No matter who and what is asked of her,she is always,on her mark and ready.No doubt that she shows experience,toughness,resolve and an unshakeable confidence in what she can do for us and our country.THe unlimited big money ball of BHO,stands ready to roll over everything that is sacred to our rights and our desire to live in peace and equality in the world’s greatest Democracy.Facisim is showing its ugly head and revealing the false prophets that are dealing the dangerous race card.BHO has been dealing that card at every opportunity on his march to the place that he always refers to as ” MY WHITEHOUSE “False and phoney pipers have no place in our country’s leadership.–HILLARY it has to be you.

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”

    By ABM90

  132. “Obama’s happy, drama-free appeal?” Give me a break.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9436.html

    Do you find it vaguely (or not so vaguely) sexist to discuss Hillary’s (a woman’s) campaign as drama-filled and the man’s as cool-headed? Excuse me, but if I’m remembering correctly, the biggest drama of this entire campaign so far has been that Jeremiah Wright fiasco. The press, though, will buy into this story and kick it along. Makes me sick.

  133. Great post, admin.

    Of course Hillary didn’t lie about the hospital story.

    The MSM lied about Hillary, but that’s old news.

  134. Gen Patreus is going to be questioned on Capital Hill very soon. Shouldn’t the questioning be done by the armed services comittee? My question is why the hell is Obama going to be one of those questioning the Gen when he isn’t on the comittee? This is a man who didn’t even hold one freaking hearing on his own comittee. Someone please explain.

  135. Obama is on the Foreign Relations committee, isn’t he? They’re hearing from Petraeus, too.

    Foreign Relations:
    Tuesday, April 8, 2008
    IRAQ AFTER THE SURGE:
    WHAT NEXT?
    Time: 2:30 P.M.
    Place: 216 Hart Senate Office Building

    Armed Services:

    April 8, 2008 – FULL COMMITTEE – To receive testimony on the situation in Iraq and progress made by the Government of Iraq in
    meeting benchmarks and achieving reconciliation.

  136. More on Brillohead.
    Evidently, the Rules and Bylaws Committee had the OPTION of stripping Florida of 50% of its delegates but Brillohead over-ruled that and insisted on the 100% penalty. I have the page and number of the By Laws that states only 50% stripping is required and will post later.
    In the meantime,
    Here’s a quote from BO on September 7 about what HE would do about Florida (IF he’s the presumptive nominee). 👿
    By WILLIAM MARCH and ELAINE SILVESTRINI The Tampa Tribune

    Published: September 30, 2007

    Fundraising Totals | Primary States | Where They Stand

    TAMPA – Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he’s the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he’ll seat a Florida delegation at the party’s national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

  137. One more;
    “The rules stated, even by republicans moving up the primary date, we would lose 1/2 our delegates, Donna Brazile was chair of the committee that decided to strip all of our delegates , above and beyond what was called for in the rules!

    and the one and only dem candidate that broke the rules of Donna’s committee before the ink was barely dry was Obama..

    www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

  138. This article is from the Palm Beach Post yesterday and shows Precious has big problems with Dems when it comes to running against McCain. And frankly I’m skeptical about Hill’s numbers in the Quinnipiac University poll. Just don’t buy ‘em.
    George Bennett | Monday, April 7, 2008, 06:00 AM
    The bitterness of the Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton Democratic presidential nomination fight is starting to make some local Democratic activists nervous.
    “I hear people telling me if Hillary gets the nomination, I won’t vote for her. If Obama gets the nomination, I won’t vote for him. Or ‘ll vote for (Republican John) McCain. I’m hearing this from Democrats. This is so terrible,” Mid-County Democratic Club Prez Allen Mergaman publicly lamented at last week’s county Democratic Executive Committee confab.
    Democratic Club of Greater Boynton President Bunny Steinman voiced similar concerns, then got big applause when she said her club’s executive board had approved a resolution pledging to support whoever gets the Democratic nomination.
    (Even with McCain’s problems with the GOP’s Rush Limbaugh wing, it’s hard to imagine a local Republican club feeling the need to draft a similar resolution.)
    Both Mergaman and Steinman said afterward they believe Dems will unite over the next seven months. But for now, Steinman said, “there’s just a lot of frustration and venting.”
    Recent polls suggest Democratic divisions could hurt the party’s general election prospects in Florida. Clinton is viewed favorably by 44 percent of Floridians and unfavorably by 45 percent in the latest Quinnipiac University poll. Four months ago, her favorable/unfavorable score was 52-41. Obama’s favorable/unfavorable score in Florida was 42-38 in last week’s poll, down from 43-31 four months ago. Most alarmingly for Obama, only 61 percent of Florida Democrats said they’d vote for him against McCain, with 20 percent declaring support for the Republican and 9 percent saying they wouldn’t vote.

  139. When I see a corrupt chicago pol like bambi get passed off by an even more corrupt media to an army of 4 year olds who force their dumber than owl shit parents to proclaim that he is the second coming of whatever (methinks the bohemian corporal) I begin to think we have found the perfect script for the sequel to Springtime For Hitler (winter for Poland and France) and all we need is Zero Mostel and Mel Brooks, except in this version its winter for America if we allow him to get past us. The word I almost used was slither.

  140. Last for now regarding brilloheads role in the Florida decision:
    /www.fladems.com/content/w/fla_primary_a_concern_to_democrats

    There’s one possible escape hatch: a clause in the rules that says the committee could be lenient if the state party takes “provable, positive steps” to resolve the situation, even if those steps aren’t successful.
    The state party has done that, it contends, asking GOP Gov. Charlie Crist and the Republicans who dominate the Legislature to reconsider the Jan. 29 date. Bubriski acknowledges they are highly unlikely to comply with any additional request.
    At least one rules committee member, Donna Brazile, took a hard line on Florida’s primary date, but she hinted that she would consider whether the state party took such “positive” steps.
    Asked whether she would change her view even if those steps weren’t successful, she wouldn’t comment.
    “I’m a strong supporter of sticking with the rules. I’m not willing to bend over backward just because Florida has 27 electoral votes,” said Brazile, who managed Al Gore’s 2000 campaign.
    Roosevelt and Fowler, however, said the rules committee’s action could turn out to be irrelevant.
    The final say on seating state delegations at the convention belongs not to the rules committee, but to the convention’s credentials committee. That committee is likely to be controlled by the candidate who enters the convention as the presumptive nominee, based on primary results.
    That candidate, looking toward the general election, wouldn’t want to offend Democrats from big states including Florida or Michigan, or swing states including New Hampshire, and will insist their delegations be seated, Fowler said. “The political reality is that the nominee takes over and will decide these things,” Fowler said.
    Chaos could erupt if no clear nominee emerges by the convention and the delegate count among candidates is close, Roosevelt and Fowler said.
    In that scenario, there could be a battle within the convention’s credentialing committee over Florida’s delegation, and who should be seated as delegates, Roosevelt said.

  141. RedDragon62 – Stay the course. I know it gets hard sometimes but just remember Hillary is trustworthy, Hillary is brilliant, Hillary is strong, Hillary can win if we don’t stop believing in her.

    Pulchitude – Please change your attitude. Hillary’s people are more civilized than Obama people. We also have to remember that. Turn the other cheek sometime. We know the truth.

    I don’t know how Obama knows what travelling to 80 countries is like. He hasn’t been to 80 countries. The arrogance of the man to compare his foreign policy experience to Hillary and McCain.
    The arrogance of the man would not let me vote for him, let alone his lies and race-baiting. I wonder sometimes why no one is paying attention.

    I saw Matthews and two other men last night thinking of the rottenest things that they could say about Hillary, deliberately trying to think of ways to get her. It was disgusting. I wonder if he realizes how insane he looks when he talks about his feelings of hate for Hillary. Matthews and all the others he gets on his show are really scary. I would be afraid to be married to one of them. These are the kind of guys who kill their wives and get away with it.

    Please continue to give what you can to Hillary. Obama people are pouring money into NC and PA. All we can do is pray that Hillary supporters stay true to her and ignore what they are seeing and hearing. I guess we have to put our fingers in our ears and hummmm.

    Stay strong everyone!!

  142. Did you all know that the person who introduced the motion to strip Florida of its delegates was Ralph Dawson, a NY SD who is an Obama supporter???????

    I think DB has rigged the election, Dean is aware of it and doen’t have the b@lls to step up to the plate.

    Wbboei.

    “Springtime for Hitler!” That about sums it up! 👿

  143. The Pakistan trip is making news.

    Now, rationally speaking, going to Pakistan as a college student is no big deal- BUT, the fact that he has tried to hide this trip through out the campaign and revealled the little factoid by a slip of the tongue, speaks volumes. Once again, he is trying to hide details an deceive the public.

    Political Punch
    ABC News Senior National Correspondent Jake Tapper

    http://www.blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html

    Obama’s College Trip to Pakistan
    April 08, 2008 8:27 AM

    At a fundraiser in San Francisco, Ca., Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., claimed he had more world experience than his rivals, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and introduced a new bit of biographical information.

    “Foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain,” Obama said, according to the Huffington Post.

    “It’s ironic because this is supposedly the place where experience is most needed to be Commander-in-Chief. Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags ‘I’ve met leaders from eighty countries’ — I know what those trips are like! I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then — you go.”

    “You do that in eighty countries,” Obama said, “You don’t know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa –knowing the leaders is not important — what I know is the people…I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college — I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.”

    This last part — a college trip to Pakistan — was news to many of us who have been following the race closely. And it was odd that we hadn’t hear about it before, given all the talk of Pakistan during this campaign.

    So I asked the Obama campaign for more information.

    Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 — the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University — Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend’s family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India.

    – jpt

  144. Ronals,

    I guess I’m missing the relevance of the Pakistan trip other than BO not mentioning it.

    What’s your take?

  145. I don’t see how Hillary is going to be able to overcome the collusion between the MSM and the power elite at the DNC.

    I have already quit every Democratic organization I belonged to. I’ve canceled all my memberships to the anti-Hillary blogs and told the DNC to quit soliciting me for money. At this point I will only give to the Hillary campaign but unless something even more provocative than Jeremiah Wright surfaces I don’t think she can get the nomination. So my question is this: Does anyone think there is any chance that Hillary would consider running as an Independent/3rd party candidate?

    From my perspective someone connected to the campaign needs to be doings some groundwork if this is a possibility. Frankly I don’t see how or why Hillary would stay with a party that’s leadership has abandoned her.

    I think if she ran as an independent that she might be the right person to establish a viable/competitive 3rd party and goddess knows, we need one. The DNC can KMA

  146. This is scary and should give the MSM pause. Obama has not been vetted and this bit of information should have been known especially in light of the rumours that he is a ‘muslim’ and in light of how priminent Pakistan plays in our foreign relations.

  147. Birdgal,

    Yes, I agree. But I now think DB had an even bigger role in the rigging than I’d thought earlier. After combing through the Rules and By-Laws docs, video, comments on BigTent, links, etc., I’m convinced that one of the smoking guns leads directly to her. And after reading through what the regs say, and realizing Ralph Dawson, an AA NY SD, introduced the motion to sanction Florida, well, the dots are pretty apparent.

    BTW, I was trying to understand Ronald’s take on the Pakistan trip.

  148. Tiburones,
    I have to read through that material more carefully but, TTTT, I’m not sure a 3 week trip to a friend’s home country in 1981 is such an issue.

    What am I missing?

  149. basil9-

    My take on the Pakistan trip is that once again he is hiding who he really is. Its sort of like the smoking issue for me. He is a smoker -just admit it, but no, he has to hide it and lie about it and chew out reporters who mention it.

    I dont think he wanted anyone to know about his trip to Pakistan because he thought it would be looked at badly. maybe it was axelrod tellig him to hide it. I dont know. But we should have heard about it earlier.

    There is nothing wrong with going to Pakistan while you are in college. However, hiding the fact that you have been there when you are running for president raises questions.

    Remember, up to now the only forgein travel he was claiming was an 8 hour trip to London. (besides Indonesia and Hawaii).

    I also think it shows that he is being cocky and slipping….

  150. Here is a post I made with two videos I shot after seeing Bill Clinton speak in PA about 2.5 weeks ago. The discussion isn’t anything revelatory, but some might enjoy it. Actually, I do discuss why I chose the name “Universal” (many of you know why) and how that relates to Hillary in the second video:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=349

    Admin: I just want to let you know I haven’t forgotten about you. I have been swamped with work. I was just writing another post for my other site. About 1/2 the way through, I decided I would give the piece to you instead. When I was a few paragraphs from finishing, I was in another one of my browser tabs and I decided to log out of the site, not thinking anything of it. Whoops — lost the whole darn article. 🙁

    This is a really good piece you wrote about Brazile. I’m not sure I can think of any other figure who has been more disappointing this primary season than her. Maybe Keith Olbermann, but at least he has the excuse that MSNBC made him do it. What’s Brazile’s excuse.

    Thanks for your hard work, Admin. And to all the great posters here. I donated more money today and will be sending more soon, I’m sure.

    Hope everyone’s having a great day. Nice one here.

    🙂

  151. Here is a post I made with two videos I shot after seeing Bill Clinton speak in PA about 2.5 weeks ago. The discussion isn’t anything revelatory, but some might enjoy it. Actually, I do discuss why I chose the name “Universal” (many of you know why) and how that relates to Hillary in the second video:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=349

    Admin: I just want to let you know I haven’t forgotten about you. I have been swamped with work. I was just writing another post for my other site. About 1/2 the way through, I decided I would give the piece to you instead. When I was a few paragraphs from finishing, I was in another one of my browser tabs and I decided to log out of the site, not thinking anything of it. Whoops — lost the whole darn article. 🙁

    This is a really good piece you wrote about Brazile. I’m not sure I can think of any other figure who has been more disappointing this primary season than her. Maybe Keith Olbermann, but at least he has the excuse that MSNBC made him do it. What’s Brazile’s excuse.

    Thanks for your hard work, Admin. And to all the great posters here. I donated more money today and will be sending more soon, I’m sure.

    Hope everyone’s having a great day. Nice one here.

    🙂

  152. So late last night I posted my email on here so henry could contact me about campaigning in Pittsburgh and today I got my first email from an Obama Troll!!!!

    weee what fun! She didn’t email me directly, no… no… she sent me a Youtube video of Hillary Clinton meeting with Code Pink protesters before the Iraq war.

    Wow. what a mistake. I figured out her email and sent her the response below:

    wow. my first email from an Obama troll.

    THanks. Your little blurry You Tube video reinforces my vote for HIllary Clinton 100%.

    Listen, I admire Code Pink. I have sent them money. I marched in anti-war demonstrations in New York and San Francisco. I was against the war in Iraq from the beginning. War is not the answer.

    BUT, do not point fingers at Hillary Clinton. She was the senator from New York when the Iraq war started. Dont forget this was right after the anthrax attacks- we still dont know where that came from. Your retroscope is foggy. Dont forget Kuwait. Dont forget the women and children of Iraq that were gassed to death by Saddam Hussein. Over one million Iranians died because Saddam Hussein decided to try to exterminate the Marsh Arabs and invade Iran. Do you think the UN cared then? No. they did not. I know because I lived there. My friends died while you were eating tofu in your hot-tub in Marin thinking war is bad.

    But, I will not justify the war in Iraq. THe war in Iraq is wrong. But I respect Hillary Clinton for making an informed and difficult decision not to hand over the authority for war over to the UN. Where was the UN on 9/11? Where are they in Afghanistan? Where are they in the Congo? No where.

    Hillary Clinton has my vote. She had the integrity to meet with Code Pink and discuss her position.
    NO OTHER SENATOR OR CONGRESSMAN WAS WILLING TO DO SO.
    She explained her thinking and listened to the concerns of those who were confronting her. Think for a minute where the world would be if the Kosovo Albanians had been exterminated. No one, certainly not Code Pink would have noticed. Where was Obama during all this? Oh ya, giving a speech on how the war was wrong. But somehow when he had to stand up for what he allegedly believed in at the 2004 convention he said he did not know how he would have voted if he was in the Senate. Is that who you want to vote for? A liar? Do you think your blurry little video will convince me not support HIllary? fat chance. Big fat pink chance.
    Hillary Clinton speaks for me.
    Ron
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  153. Ronald,

    I agree with everything you said. I guess I’m just not convinced, (for once) that the Pakistan trip was anything more than a student excursion. There’s PLENTY of other stuff (IMHO) to support the questioning of issues like loyalty to the country, etc., from connections to Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko and the Million Man March. I also think it’s probably an Axelrod edict to deflect any more scrutiny. The problem with lies is you have to keep track of them and as time goes on that gets harder to do! (except for sociopaths) and BO may well be one. 😈

    Thanks for clarifying.

  154. Basil9-

    I totally agree with you. It was probably just a visit to his college friend’s home. But like all the other little things we find out about BO- wright, Rezko, smoking, real estate, positions on Iraq, nuclear energy, records as a state senator, the combine….and on and on, these little details creep out as he is gradually vetted. This little trip to Pakistan, which I do think he was hiding, is just a little staw and it wont break the camels back but I’ll add it to the stack, especially when I call Pennsylvania.

  155. winhillary Says:

    April 8th, 2008 at 1:46 am
    UH, cnn posted that a large group of superdelegates for Obama voted for him out of guilt or arm twisting as they said from their kids. KIDS! Wait a minute, you are telling america that these people in power are making decisions based on young kids? …..
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Yes, confirmed in today’s NYTimes. They say several recent Obama endorsements came after pressure from their kids.

    Maybe they should be listening to their mothers instead!!

    To admit this is to me makes them look…childish. “I stole this from the mall because my friends made me do it.”

    A responsible SD puts the party ahead of how the kids feel around the breakfast table. “Oh mom, kids are going to mock me out unless you endorse for the cool young guy”.

    This confirms that the nomination process is deeply flawed, and that a good chunk of the Dems are gullible suckers. The Republicans, to their credit, nominated the least right wing candidate, someone closer to the center, who is admired and respected, and whom could actually win. The Dems just want to go on record as making a “point”, and keeping their teen kids happy.

    But, as was pointed out, there is still time for SD’s to change their minds. If some have changed their endorsement from HRC to BO, others can change from BO to HRC. Especially as reality sets in about how really deeply flawed and divisive this candidate is, despite his claims and MSM claims to the contrary.

  156. Anglachel has a good blog on BTD’s support for Obama because he is the media darling — what a superfluous way to pick your nominee and after 2000 and 2004, haven’t we learned anything about what media does. Others who think like BTD should be forewarned. We don’t want the media to pick our nominee or the president. Period.

    Related comment at Noquarter:

    Comment by outsider | 2008-04-08 06:32:46

    This is the first time I am commenting on a blog. I have been a regular reader of this blog. I am not an American. Therefore, I know the right to choose your leader is entirely yours. At the same time, years of GWB showed that your judgments in choosing your leader also impact us, people who live outside. In 2000 and 2004, you had a better choice. You went with media hype. The result is for all to see and live through. USA should do well, in order for the world to do well. No question about it. Quality and stature of American leadership is critical to the quality of human life and rights at large around the world. American media has played a leading role in facilitating the deterioration of quality of American leadership and its stature around the world. I hope and pray that American people learned their lessons: Let not media blitz mar the critical evaluation of candidates. In most cases, I feel, taking a stand opposite to the one touted by media, turns out to be right. I feel solidarity with you. Give us a good leader who can take us forward to a better tomorrow. I feel strongly that Hillary is that leader. I can not contribute, canvas or call up. But my prayers are with you in choosing Hilary is your and our leader. God save America..!

  157. # Ronald Says:
    April 8th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Basil9-

    I totally agree with you. It was probably just a visit to his college friend’s home. But like all the other little things we find out about BO- wright, Rezko, smoking, real estate, positions on Iraq, nuclear energy, records as a state senator, the combine….and on and on, these little details creep out as he is gradually vetted. This little trip to Pakistan, which I do think he was hiding, is just a little staw and it wont break the camels back but I’ll add it to the stack, especially when I call Pennsylvania.
    ***********************************************************************************
    From what I have learned of Obama, he has not done anything with out radical ties/help and has not done anything
    With out a NEED to fill a bigger purpose. And he never tells “the whole truth and nothing but the truth”

    this is begging me to ask a question and speculate a bit as well….

    1. Why would Obama want/NEED to hide a “simple” college trip to a friends home in Pakistan?
    If that is all it was?? Was this just a “innocent” trip?

    Obama while in college (pre becoming Christian pre-wright) he was “still” a “muslim” ?

    1. who was his friend?
    2. was his friend a muslim?
    3. what organizations(any radical ties?) did his friend or his family belong to during that time?
    4. what are this friends and his families beliefs
    5. how did he meet this friend and where? Was it in the USA? Or was it a friend from childhood from Indonesia?

  158. Novak on Obama: Obama’s weasly evasiveness on gun control can lose him support from both gun control advocates and gun owners’ rights advocates.

    Basically, it’s another attempt to vote “Present”.

    Obama’s Second-Amendment Dance
    Monday, April 7, 2008; Page A17

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR2008040601652.html

    First two paragraphs:

    Barack Obama, who informs campaign audiences that he taught constitutional law for 10 years, might be expected to weigh in on the historic Second Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices are pondering whether the 1976 District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting personal gun ownership in the nation’s capital is constitutional. But Obama has not stated his position.

    Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment’s “right of the people to keep and bear arms” applies to individuals, not just the “well regulated militia” in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local “common sense” restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.

  159. Novak discusses Obama: Obama’s weasly evasiveness on gun control can lose him support from both gun control advocates and gun owners’ rights advocates.

    Basically, it’s another attempt to vote “Present”.

    Obama’s Second-Amendment Dance
    Monday, April 7, 2008; Page A17

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR2008040601652.html

    First two paragraphs:

    Barack Obama, who informs campaign audiences that he taught constitutional law for 10 years, might be expected to weigh in on the historic Second Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices are pondering whether the 1976 District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting personal gun ownership in the nation’s capital is constitutional. But Obama has not stated his position.

    Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment’s “right of the people to keep and bear arms” applies to individuals, not just the “well regulated militia” in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local “common sense” restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.

  160. Ronald Says:
    April 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am

    So late last night I posted my email on here so henry could contact me about campaigning in Pittsburgh and today I got my first email from an Obama Troll!!!!

    **************************************************8

    I just looked at my email, and i have received the same troll email….hmmmm I have NOT posted my email addy here
    so…….how did they manage to send it to me too?

    and as with you it does not change my mind on voting for HC and totally agree with your email back to them 😀

  161. Watching the Armed Servives hearings.Can’t wait for Hillarys turn. I must comment on the Joe Leiberman segment.He has once more shown just who he represents.The “I” in his title does not stand for Independent.It blatantly stands for “ISRAEL”.He is so adamant in his demands to keep us there in Iraq,in order to stabilize the region.WHAT A CROCK. CT you are operating with a short hand.

    By ABM90

  162. djia,
    I know what you mean and those issues crossed my mind, too but I do think it’s quite possible it was an innocent trip, He and his friend were in their early 20’s, i would estimate, and although that doesn’t preclude having an ‘agenda’ ….well, i dunno. Of course anything is possible.

    Perhaps it’s because I worked for a number of years in “Little India/Pakistan on the Hudson” (in NJ) and I taught a large number of Pakistani students that I’m giving BO the benefit of the doubt on this one. (And i think this is the FIRST time in 3 months I’ve said that!). then again, we don’t know who the roommate was, do we?

  163. interesting he visited pakisthan and then hyderabad… hyderabad is capital of my state in India and it has large muslim population.. and they owe their allegiance to pakisthan and not to INDIA… whenever there is cricket match b/w pakisthan and INDIA.. those muslims celebrate if INDIA loses.. disgusting they are living in INDIA but support pakisthan just because pakisthan is muslim nation and india is not.. interesting that he visited hyderabad.. must be visiting some muslims in hyderabad…

  164. Jesus, there is nothing inheriently wrong with muslims. I have muslim friends and I find that rather offensive.

  165. I have consistently donated to Hillary’s campaign through her website, and I also frequently received those fundraising emails from Hillary, Bill or Chelsea. The strange thing is I haven’t received any fundraising emails from Hillary’s campaign at all since March. I wonder who is in charge of sending those fundraising emails out in her campaign. Maybe they should investigate why some of her supporters don’t receive emails anymore. Is there some foul play inside her campaign? I cantacted her campaign last week but so far no one get back to me about this. I wonder whether there are other people experiencing similar situation. I think her online fundraising seems slow, could this be part of the problem?

  166. Novak: Obama’s weasly evasiveness on gun control can lose him support from both gun control advocates and gun owners’ rights advocates.

    Basically, it’s another attempt to vote “Present”.

    Obama’s Second-Amendment Dance
    Monday, April 7, 2008; Page A17

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR2008040601652.html

    First two paragraphs:

    Barack Obama, who informs campaign audiences that he taught constitutional law for 10 years, might be expected to weigh in on the historic Second Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices are pondering whether the 1976 District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting personal gun ownership in the nation’s capital is constitutional. But Obama has not stated his position.

    Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment’s “right of the people to keep and bear arms” applies to individuals, not just the “well regulated militia” in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local “common sense” restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.

  167. basil9

    for me, given what little i do know about bambi , which is largely based on his past I would not be willing to give him very much benefit of doubt… I believe this man has analyzed & strategically calculated his world and the people around him his entire life as self described in his books. I think he his a thinking man, who is extremely calculating, and had done precisely that his entire adult life… he “chose” chicago……..he calculated his way through the “chicago columbine” masterfully…….he is operating through this primary election with a force never before seen in election history. I would not put anything past him. I believe he was and is still a muslim in his core belief; no matter what church he has attended here in the US. I believe those muslim and radical ties are the very SPINE of this man.

  168. Mj

    I don’t know how there can be good muslims and bad muslims, muslims believe in islam and ala etc which is against the US and christianity………the Koran gives muslims the right to lie about their religious beliefs in order to destroy christianity and America…so either they are muslim or they are not? I don’t see how they can have it both ways and truly be a muslim.

  169. Novak: Obama’s weasly evasiveness on gun control can lose him support from both gun control advocates and gun owners’ rights advocates.

    Basically, it’s another attempt to vote “Present”.

    Obama’s Second-Amendment Dance
    Monday, April 7, 2008; Page A17

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR2008040601652.html

    First two paragraphs:

    Barack Obama, who informs campaign audiences that he taught constitutional law for 10 years, might be expected to weigh in on the historic Second Amendment case before the U.S. Supreme Court. The justices are pondering whether the 1976 District of Columbia law effectively prohibiting personal gun ownership in the nation’s capital is constitutional. But Obama has not stated his position.

    Obama, disagreeing with the D.C. government and gun control advocates, declares that the Second Amendment’s “right of the people to keep and bear arms” applies to individuals, not just the “well regulated militia” in the amendment. In the next breath, he asserts that this constitutional guarantee does not preclude local “common sense” restrictions on firearms. Does the draconian prohibition in Washington fit that description? My attempts to get an answer have proved unavailing. The front-running Democratic presidential candidate is doing the gun dance.

  170. mj-

    Agreed! this has nothing to do with muslims or the country of Pakistan.

    It has to do with Obama hiding the trip for so long. I doubt there was anything there except the fear of how it would be perceived but in the end he isn’t the open person he claims to be as is the case with so much about him… drip drip drip

  171. I wonder if he was smoking in Pakistan and that’s where he met Rezko. Go ahead, try to deny it, O-man.

  172. mj, you don’t understand since you never lived in countries where there is significant no of muslims.. they just want to take over whatever they can thats it… they will have 10 children in each family whether they can afford to bring them up or not .. they have motive for that they want to increase their population and slowly take over from others.. being from INDIA, secular country, i can see difference among various religions…

  173. jit-
    keep the racist stereotypes and presumptions about who lived where to yourself.

    Lets focus on winning PA for Hillary Clinton.

  174. british ruled india so did the arabs/muslims… british never demolished temples and built churches nor they promoted christianism in those day.. on the other hand, muslim kings demolished hindu temples and built mosques in those places…

  175. They should have a parody video of Obama walking around with a teleprompter connected at the shoulders. And there be a sign that says “teleprompters not allowed in the white house,” Im tired. Lol.

  176. I need to call headquarters and find out what is going on with website. Im not sure if the way we are doing the money on the site is working. There is really no money being put in the video add. Not that anyone of you have not, but nationally it should have already been filled. Does anyone know more about this?

  177. win-
    I was wondering the same thing. It seems if they are going to have money meters up on the web page they should be updated regularly.

    If you can contact Peter Daou I would encourage you to do so.

  178. While I’m very happy to be allowed to read and post on this forum, I sometimes find something to complain about. This time it is the use of a term that I find offensive.

    I can’t be certain what is meant by “brillo head”, but I can imagine it may refer to AA. If I’m right, I respectfully request that people refrain from using that term on this forum.

    I’m not AA, and I’m not wrestling with my social conscience as some are. I’m not even a true liberal. I’m just a moderate Democrat, a WASP in Louisiana. This may be a backward state, and maybe there is a lot of corruption in our government, but a lot of white people here voted for Jackson and Obama. I didn’t but only because I didn’t think either was the most qualified candidate in the contest.

    Anyway, please stop it. Thanks

  179. Sherm, I understand where you’re coming from, but I think “brillo head” was simply a play on Brazille’s name. Still, the point is well taken. It certainly doesn’t hurt any of us to re-examine terms we use and how we think about people.

  180. here is the bit about Hillary today at the hearing (from the crypt at politico)

    Clinton: Time to begin an ‘orderly’ U.S. withdrawal from Iraq

    Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), a member of the Armed Services Committee, took off after President Bush over Iraq, suggesting that it would be “irresponsible” for the United States to continue on its present path there.

    Clinton said the Congress and the nation have been repeatedly told by the White House that things were getting better in Iraq, only to find out later that was not actually the case, most of all the failure of Iraqi leaders to achieve political reconciliation.

    “I think it’s time to begin an orderly process of withdrawing our troops” from Iraq, Clinton told Petraeus and Crocker.

    Clinton than queried Crocker on whether the Bush administration would be submitting any future “status of forces” agreement between the United States and Iraq to Congress for ratifiication once the United Nations’ mandate for U.S. military action in Iraq expires this year. Clinton has introduced legislation calling for such bilateral agreements to be ratified by lawmakers.

    Clinton then pressed Petraeus on what conditions would have to be like inside Iraq for Petraeus to recommend large-scale American withdrawals.

    Petraeus declined to answer Clinton’s question directly, telling the New York Democrat that such decisions “are not a mathematical equation.”

    As soon as Clinton finished her questions, about one-third of the press and spectators left the hearing, as did Clinton herself.

    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), for his part, left the hearing shortly after his opening statement and questions for Petraeus and Crocker.

  181. also on ben smiths blog at politico today

    April 08, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    Hoffa: Goolsbee should clarify

    A bit of a veer off topic on the Obama conference call to press Clinton to drop Mark Penn.

    Teamsters President James Hoffa, asked about Austan Goolsbee and the Canadians, said he thought Goolsbee and Obama should clarify “the mystery about what happeend.”

    “I think that he should make a statement. I don’t know what happened in that, but I think he should come up and say what he believes,” said Hoffa. “He should certainly clarify whatever happened in that meeting.”

    Goolsbee did speak to AP after it became clear that the meeting had occurred, and said his words had been misinterpreted, but has out of sight since.

    ALSO: Hoffa is asked about Obama’s race, and says, “He’s like a Tiger Woods — he’s just a great person who’s excited a lot of people.”

    UPDATE: Simultaneously, the Clinton campaign puts out a release suggesting Goolsbee join the conference call.

    By Ben Smith 12:22 PM

  182. Anyone have the link to the PA page that allows you to target your Hillary donation? I can’t find it on the Web site.

    BTW, if Obama SDs are really endorsing him because of their kids, I’m embarrassed to be a Dem – again. The Repubs are probably laughing their asses off at this wimpiness.

  183. Anyone have the link to the PA page that allows you to target your Hillary donation? I can’t find it on the Web site.

    Anyone???

  184. Like Tiger Woods? My Lord, what are people thinking? Tiger Woods is just trying to play a good round of golf not manage the country.

  185. I know know how much you guys hate her, but please share this laugh with me

    news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20080402/cm_ucac/obamasdimestoremeinkampf

  186. Suburban Obama delegate quits over ‘divisive’ remark

    CARPENTERSVILLE | Says when she called black kids ‘monkeys,’ she was asking them to get out of tree

    April 8, 2008

    BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Political Reporter/apallasch@suntimes.com

    Moving to nip in the bud some potential bad press, White House hopeful Barack Obama’s campaign persuaded a delegate to step down after she was ticketed for calling her neighbor’s African-American children “monkeys.”
    Linda Ramirez-Sliwinski, a Carpentersville village trustee, was elected as an Obama delegate to the Democratic National Convention. She sports an Obama sign in her front yard.
    On Saturday, two neighbor children were playing in the tree next-door to her house.
    Ramirez-Sliwinski “came outside and told the children to quit playing in the tree like monkeys. The tree was not on Ramirez-Sliwinski’s property,” Carpentersville Police Commander Michael Kilbourne said.
    Ramirez-Sliwinski admitted she used the word “monkeys,” but said she did not intend racism. She said she was only trying to protect them from falling out of the tree.
    “Linda Ramirez-Sliwinski said she saw the kids playing in the tree and didn’t want them falling out of the tree and getting hurt. She said she calls her own grandchildren ‘monkeys,’ ” Kilbourne said. The mother of one of the children did not see it that way, noting she and Ramirez-Sliwinski have clashed before.
    “She felt it was racist because of the fact the children were African-American,” Kilbourne said.
    Told of the incident Monday by the Sun-Times, Obama’s campaign called Ramirez-Sliwinski and persuaded her to step aside as a delegate because the campaign felt her remarks were “divisive and unacceptable.”
    “Given the incident, she is stepping down as a delegate and will be replaced,” said campaign spokesman Ben Labolt.
    Ramirez-Sliwinski did not return messages seeking comment Monday. She told the Daily Herald she meant no racism with her comment but that “after this incident, I will not run again” for trustee.
    The only Hispanic on the board, Ramirez-Sliwinski has been a strong voice for Carpentersville’s 40 percent Hispanic population. She and Village President Bill Sarto opposed an English-only proposition and an ordinance to crack down on illegal immigrants.
    Opposition leader Judy Sigwalt said, “We are elected officials. We are in a position where people look to us for leadership and professionalism. We have to be diplomatic at all times.”
    “Frankly, I don’t see a law that was broken here,” Sarto said. “I think this entire thing has been blown out of proportion. She’s a good neighor. She went over to caution the children to be careful not to fall out of a tree.
    She has never indicated to me any prejudice whatsoever. We have a trustee who has been convicted on four counts of domestic battery and refuses to resign from the board. He beat his wife with a baseball bat. This seems far less egregious to me.”
    Ramirez-Sliwinski’s $75 ticket was for “disorderly conduct,” which Kilbourne defined as, “when a person does something that alarms or disturbs another.”
    w w w . suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/883120,CST-NWS-trustee08.article

  187. djia – where on taylormarsh.com is the video of Hill on Morning Joe? I can’t seem to find it.

  188. From the article i just posted above:

    Obama’s campaign called Ramirez-Sliwinski and persuaded her to step aside as a delegate because the campaign felt her remarks were “divisive and unacceptable.”
    “Given the incident, she is stepping down as a delegate and will be replaced,” said campaign spokesman Ben Labolt

    to me this show’s that Obama IS PLAYING THE RACE CARD!!!! this is insane! i am a white woman and have 5 kids and have called my kids monkeys when they climbed in a tree………this is just Utter BS!!

  189. I FOUND THE WAY TO CRUSH HIM WITH BLACK CHRISTIANS!!!!! From a Chicago Sun-Times article from 2004:

    “The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they’re going to hell.”

    Obama doesn’t believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell.

    But he’s not sure if he’ll be going to heaven, either.

    “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die,” he says. “When I tuck in my daughters at night, and I feel like I’ve been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they’re kind people and that they’re honest people, and they’re curious people, that’s a little piece of heaven.”

    This goes against the very grain of Christianity–especially among African-Americans and if more of them knew this, he would be T-O-A-S-T. He also states in that article:

    “…the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you,” he says. “Oftentimes, that’s by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest common denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is. ”

    Read the article here!!!!

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

  190. the whole monkey business thing is just insane…and they actually asked her to step aside ….for this! and bho is going to bridge the racial gap?!..okaaay….

  191. Can’t call kids swinging in the trees “monkeys” anymore?

    There’s no words to express how Ramirez-Sliwinski has been wronged. Couldn’t they see that the mother of the children had an ulterior motive, considering that the two women had clashed before?

  192. admin, my apologies for duplicate submissions. Please feel free to nuke extras between 11:34 and 12:– something.

    Many times, I click on Submit comment, and nothing happens, it goes out to outer space. Later, things work. Today, the post didn’t show up, nor did the resubmit. But two hours later, they were all there.

    &%$&(Bill gates*&(#)#Microsoft!!!!

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    On a nice note, I ran into some Hillary supporters enlisting volunteers here in Philly at Rittenhouse Square. Finally got my damn bumper sticker (after several small donations, I had a couple coming…). I spoke with two of the nice women (who crossed over from NJ, I told them I’ve crossed over the river to work PA in previous GE’s).

    And I told them about this web site. So we might get a couple of more contributors. Plus I told my brother about this site too.

  193. If BO becomes President, race will be injected into every little criticisms aimed at his Administration.

    4 years of people on the edge, fearful of being labeled a racist.

  194. If the monkey incident is a sign of things to come, BO cannot be president. it will only get worse.

  195. BTW, I like what I hear of Geoff Garin’s new strategy. I think one of the problems with Mark Penn was that he focused too much on emphasizing HRC’s strengths and too little on shoring up her perceived weakenesses (likeability, for example).

    We all know how warm, compassionate, funny and compassionate she is, but enough of the country does.

  196. terrondt Says:

    April 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    YAY! hillfans new survey usa poll in pa has hillary at 56% to obama’s 38%. WHOOP!
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    This, after he’s spent a good chunk of that 40 – MILLLLLLION – DOLLLLLLLARS???? “MOO-HAHH-HAH. I’ll just buy this election”

  197. Speaking of polls, what’s going on in NC? I thought we had a solid chance there. Is NC an open primary/caucus state?

    Yeah. I could google it, but I’m too lazy to.

  198. filbertsf,
    The polls have kind of been all over the place for NC. The last one I saw was actually on the H44 homepage, to the right where all the polls are listed. That one had HRC pretty close, but BO is expected to win. Also Ace Smith is working that state so obviously Hill’s team doesn’t think its a total waste to compete there.

  199. mj,

    I agree.

    I also think that BO might have just had the opportunity to travel to another country and took it, as would many other US college students. i know I would have jumped at the chance. And while I’m not a fan of ANY religion, I agree all muslims can’t and shouldn’t be painted with the same broad brush. (IMHO-that is)

  200. @sugar I couldn’t help notice this from that article you posted

    “These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.”

    so, this means he most likely WAS there for controversial comments by Rev Wright

  201. Obama is expected to take NC? I knew it was close, but I’ve been told that NC is a doable state for us to win. I’m just surprised by the poll numbers.

  202. filbertsf

    NC is 2 weeks after PA, a big win there and NC will tighten up. I don’t pay attention to the polls and think there is probably around 20% undecided in both PA and NC. The undecided vote tends to go to Hillary in the last few days before an election and that trend will continue will a big PA win. Hillary will end up being outspent by a 7 to 1 marginor higher in PA and Obama still will not win. NC, IN and the SD will take notice of that.

  203. Sherm, mj, rjk, all,
    Re: Brillo-head. personally, I think it’s kinda funny. I originally saw someone refer to DB as brillo which I took as a shortening of her name from Brazille to Brill and then add the ‘)’ as I’ve done numerous times with lots of pundits probably coz we refer to HWNSNBS as BO.

    Things are becoming so overly sensitive, always, it seems, in favor of certain groups, that it’s impossible to discuss certain things without someone being offended. Much as I disagree with Bill-O (O’Reilly) about most things, he hit the nail on the head last night when he said about Ferrara, ‘for an Icon of Liberalism to be labeled racist” makes non-liberals afraid to even speak to other groups for fear of being similarly branded. So, I think the term brillo-head is just a funny way to refer to DB. The stifling of humorous speech that is neither profane nor swear words is just another form of censorship. I mean, what about some of the things HRC has been called on a regular basis, like “Nutcracker?” There’s even a ‘thighs of steel’ model available. And regarding DB’s hair, i gotta admit after I started using the term I realized her hair DOES look like brillo pads, mainly coz of the color of her hair, but so does the hair of a lot of women, white, black, hispanic. So did 17th century French wigs. I think the term suits her.

  204. filbertsf,
    I know its kind of hard to tell for sure because the polls have been so unreliable, either intentionally or not. I think SUSA is supposed to have a poll for NC this week. They’ve been the most reliable so far.

  205. Anbritt, filbert,
    The ‘monkey business’ thing is obscene. This is just completely ridiculous. It’s blackmail and will only separate groups even farther. i have also referred to STUDENTS as monkeys, especially 5 and 6 year-olds, but it was cause they were swinging on ‘MONKEY” Bars (uh-oh – guess we can’t use THAT term anymore, either!!!!) and generally exhibiting simian-like bewhavior. I mean, that IS what monkeys do! (you know – swing from trees) and ALL kids, white, black, brown yellow do the same freaking thing! Heck, i used to do it regularly and enjoyed every minute of it!
    FWIW, I’ve worked in places where parents of certain groups would deliberately use false allegations of racism to get their kid in another class, try to file lawsuits against a school district, get their kid privileged treatment or even as a way to satisfy some long-simmering grudges. This whole race-baiting thing reminds me of the Salem witch hunts and I have done a ton of research about that.e

  206. djia, there is a LOT in that article that needs to be explored. I’m telling you, the AA community might not admit it aloud, but they’ll be mighty shocked to know that those are his views on Christianity. GOSH, I wish that information could have been put out there BEFORE the southern primaries. It may not be too late for N.C. I’ll try to post on some of the newspaper sites there when I see articles about him.

  207. Last on Brillo-head,

    And when I started thinking of her hair as LOOKING like brillo-pads it was more because of the way she STYLES it (or doesn’t style it) heaped on top of her head just like a couple of squashed brillo pads. And the color is that same blue-gray.

    Boy – now that name really ISN’T funny. (except to me, I guess).
    I regularly refer to Mathews as Tweetie, Cafferty as Cadaverdy, Obermann as Ogremann, Krystal as Cr@pstill and I guess DB will always be brillo-head. 👿

  208. SUSA new PA poll is more like it Hillary by 18%

    Hillary 56%
    Obama 38%

    Check out the internals, Hillary is winning every age group for that matter every category except AA.

  209. Is anyone from H-is-44 going to attend the NYC event at Rock plaza on Friday at 8:00? Maybe we should all try to meet up somewhere? H-is-44 signage, anyone?

  210. Wow. Just watched the Morning Joe interview with Hillary this a.m. Excellent!!! Respect and dignity from both newscasters. go to Taylor Marsh to see it. They told her, to hang tough.

  211. Pennsylvania: Clinton 18 Points Ahead of Obama

    In a Democratic Primary in Pennsylvania today, 04/08/08, two weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 56% to 38%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for WCAU-TV Philadelphia, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh, WHP-TV Harrisburg, and WNEP-TV Wilkes-Barre. The results are almost identical to a SurveyUSA poll released one month ago. Then, Clinton led by 19. Today, 18. In between, however, in a SurveyUSA tracking poll released last week, Obama had closed to within 12 points. What happened in the past 7 days?

    1st: Some of the men who flirted with Obama at the end of March have returned to Clinton. Other men have moved to the sidelines. Last week, Obama led by 7 among men. Men were 46% of likely voters. Today, Clinton leads among men. Men are 42% of likely voters.

    2nd: Obama lost ground among voters age 35 to 49. A week ago, he had caught Clinton in this age group. Today, he’s down 18. By contrast, there is no movement among voters age 50+. Clinton’s lead among voters 50+ is stable across all 3 tracking polls.

    3rd: In Southeast PA, which includes Philadelphia and which makes up 42% of likely Democratic voters, Clinton had a good week, Obama a bad week. Clinton is above 50% for the first time and Obama is now down by 9 in a region he must win to carry the state. In Southwest PA, which includes Pittsburgh, Clinton polls at 60% for the first time, 25 points atop Obama. Only in West Central PA, which includes Johnstown, has there been consistent movement toward Obama.

    4th: Among moderates, Obama lost key ground while Clinton gained ground. Clinton now leads by 24 points, 60% to 36%. Obama also lost ground among Liberals. And while Obama’s support fell among Conservatives, so did Clinton’s.

    5th: Interviewing for SurveyUSA’s 04/01/08 release, one week ago, occurred in the middle of Obama’s 6-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, which began on 03/28/08. Obama may have benefited a week ago from the media spotlight. Summary: The complete absence of movement among whites and among women is striking. Among white voters, Clinton polled at 61% in all 3 tracking polls. Among women, Clinton was at 62% a month ago, 62% last week, and 61% today. These two unwavering core constituencies help make Clinton so formidable in the Keystone state.

    http://www.surveyusa.com/

  212. Yo Donna Brazille, it was just on CNN that AA who support Obama receive death threats. Since you seem to feel that Hillary supporters are destroying her campaign just how many death threats have you received from Hillary’s supporters???

  213. rjk1957….think you mean that AA’s who support CLINTON get death threats from the BO brownshirts.

  214. kaffeen

    What really surpised me was Hillary is winning the 18-34 group (well barely) if she can keep this group even or close she WILL WIN VERY BIG!

    Obama made a big mistake counting on the 700,000 college students in PA. In order to register they would have to change their drivers license to PA and many just will not do that because they are on their parent’s auto insurance.

  215. hannity on his radio show today talking to a call in viewer, they were talking about how easy it will be to take obama down
    but the lady didn’t think clinton would be so easy if she got the nomination….about how clinton has no path to nomination unless something big comes out against obama…hannity say’s but we’ve talked about wright and Ayers…yadda yadda yadda
    but gave no clue that he had more to come 🙁 but i think he does and is saving it for the fall…….long story short……..hannity let it be known that they(GOP) want hillary out now and then they will easily take obama out in the fall

    hope that all made sense?? LOL

    but what it say’s to me is that we can not count on hannity to do enough negative reporting on obama as to take their “easy” candidate out now…….they’re saving him for the fall…….as i am sure many of us expected!!

    The Dems better wake up quick!!!

  216. It was Lemon on CNN who said he has friends who support Hillary and Obama. Lemon then said that Hillary supporters get death threats when they speak in favor of Hillary on TV or radio (or the internets we suppose).

  217. nikki22 Says:

    April 8th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    The polls have kind of been all over the place for NC. The last one I saw was actually on the H44 homepage, to the right where all the polls are listed. That one had HRC pretty close, but BO is expected to win. Also Ace Smith is working that state so obviously Hill’s team doesn’t think its a total waste to compete there.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Umm, it sounds like this Ace Smith guy or woman must be pretty impressive. I know nothing of them. Anyone able to shed some light?

  218. I must admit that the monkey thing was over blown and BHO’s reaction to it was too.

    Heck for 7+ years I’ve been calling GWB a monkey !!

    Bill-O is right…we can’t even joke with one another without dragging this thing down to ugly inuendo

    heck I even call my sister “trailer trash” (and she’s far from it) cuz she lives in a mobile home.

  219. Blue Democrat Says:

    April 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    I’m going to revive my indy run analysis here.
    So MJS, you might want to go run some errands.

    I’ve been looking at it to myself, but there has been a lot of defeatist talk here with”who would I ote for, McCain or Bo”
    – and I’m the last to say what anyone should write.
    ————————————————-
    BlueDem: there is a tactical reason to pound on the if not Hillary then McCain meme other than the fact that it is true and supported by the polling data. If you remember that flag of the Republic of Texas which said “Don’t Tread On Me”. I want the DNC to know Dont Tread On Hillary because if you do this is what will happen. Gets back to the bamboozlers prediction that Hillarys followers would simply fall in line behind him. NFW.

  220. guys what is this yahoo comment about hillarys penn poll shrinking? The front page of yahoo.com has it. I didn’t read it, I ignore them, but does anyone know about this?

  221. I am so mad at this dumb chick on youtube, she has a video about being best friends with hillary clinton, please watch and comment, I have a feeling most here will have better responses, at the momment it is number one to watch on youtube.

    youtube.com/watch?v=apYitS1tRVU

  222. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/

    Mayor Nutter says the media are hypocrites for not asking white Obama fans why they aren’t supporting Clinton. Is he right?

    Yes
    No
    View results

    Please vote yes to bring these#s up, this is a local PA paper and Mayor Nutter is one of Hill’s strongest supporters i PA.

  223. There were 3 polls from PA out today, Quinn had her lead decreased to 6pts from 9
    Rams had her at 5pts
    and Susa had her back up to 18 from 12 I believe
    also, ARG had them tied at 45 each

    Of course, the MSM will only pick out the 2 showing her lead decreasing.

    The SUSA poll had the lowest amount of undecideds at 2%
    The other polls had higher undecideds around 9% or so

    I would stillnot take anything for granted and still Call PA like crazy and also Hill needs money./

  224. Nikki2, I expect obama to win NC, but I hope that Ace Smith can keep it close to within or at 10pts.

    Ace is the guy credited with winning CA for Hillary when all of the polls except SUSA had her losing. He said phone banking was the key. They made over 2mil calls in that final weekend.

    he was also sent to Tx and he pulled TX out for her even though Obama outspent her 3-1 or 4-1 and he had that huge union endorsement.

    IT seems that they sent the best guy to Tx. The person who won OH for her was sent to IN.

    I really hope and pray that she wins PA by 10+ and In by 5-8 to counter any gains that Obama will get from winning NC.

    Then off to KY and WV.

    If Hill doesn’t win PA big by 10+ there will be enormous pressure for her to drop out which she won’t but it can act to suppress her vote.

  225. Please don’t confront other posters and tell them not to post certain information about relevant issues. We should be focused on the issues and the campaign, not nit-picking others’ posts for political correctness. People need to be free to think about the issues rather than always watching their tongues here.

  226. As for the ‘monkey’ firing, it may be a terrorist sort of tactic by BO. He gets to appoint a replacement delegate, no loss. He looks evenhanded, as though he were holding his own people to a standard. — And he gets everyone else worrying about what OTHER innocent, ordinary words we may be attacked for using.

    If he’d fired someone less replaceable (such as McPeak or JJJr), that would be another matter.

  227. ahh, i found a link on cspan showing only hillary’s statement and questioning of petrarious. all 13 minutes worth. thank goodness i don’t have to listen to mccain or the punk.

  228. He’s a complete Barackomaniac,” Mr. Doyle said in a phone interview. “When I asked him why, he said, ‘I think he’s really going to work hard for us.’ I thought, that’s it through the eyes of a 7-year-old. ‘He’ll work hard,’ and ‘for us.’ ”

    I’m sorry, these people are too stupid to be superdelegates, for real. When asked why she voted for McCain, Doyle said her baby pointed to a pic of him and gurgled, ‘gmmampa!; She added that R is his favorite letter.’

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