Updated with video:
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What a mess. And it will get worse. Howard Dean must go.
Donna Brazile who writes garbage like this (LINK) yet still pretends she is not a pro-Obama shill must go too. Nancy Pelosi must also resign as co-Chair of the Democratic convention this August because she too is attempting to rig this election for Big Media tool Barack Obama.
Maybe Ted Kennedy, who in 1980 after Jimmy Carter had secured many more delegates than needed for renomination, tried to get delegates released from their voting commitment can help Dean understand the mess Democrats are in.
Maybe Ted Kennedy who stayed IN the race, after President Jimmy Carter had more than enough votes for renomination, yet forced a nomination vote at the Democratic Convention can explain to Howard Dean the full mess we are in. Kennedy continued his challenge to Jimmy Carter but has been absent lately in challenging those who want to stop the election before millions of Democrats vote.
Let’s fully grasp the mess Dean, Brazile, and Pelosi have made. The Wall Street Journal:
To fully grasp the dysfunction of the system by which Democrats are choosing a presidential nominee, consider this anomaly: The party punished Florida and Michigan for holding their primaries too early. Now many party elders want to punish several states, including Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Oregon, for holding their primaries too late.
That isn’t the way party leaders would describe their predicament, of course. Yet that’s the reality of the effort now under way by some to coerce Sen. Hillary Clinton into dropping out of the race before the 10 remaining states and territories on the calendar, which dutifully waited their turn, have a chance to vote.
The nominating system doesn’t work very well as it is. But curtailing it before it runs its course would risk eroding its credibility further and virtually ensure chaos in election cycles down the road.
The problem Democrats have created for themselves boils down to this: They have rules for picking a nominee, and they aren’t sure whether they want to live by them or not.
Rules are rules only when they help Big Media tool Obama:
Earlier in this cycle, the party was a stickler for living by the rules. When Florida and Michigan tried to buck the system by pushing their primaries earlier on the calendar than the national party wanted, the two states had their delegates unseated from the party convention. Don’t front-load the system, the states were told. Live by the calendar we’ve set.
Now, the battle for the nomination has turned into a long and increasingly divisive fight between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Clinton — and, worse yet for the party establishment, a fight that seems destined to be decided not by popular votes but by superdelegates: the governors, lawmakers and party leaders who are free to back the nominee of their choice.
So the growing desire among some in the party — the opposite of the one voiced earlier this year – is not to let the process play out according to the established calendar, but to short-circuit it by having Sen. Clinton withdraw before the primaries still ahead. This would get superdelegates off the hook, but the effect would be to punish the states that waited their turns by making their votes meaningless, much as Florida and Michigan were punished for not waiting.
Any of these “Party elders” that do not understand the mess we are in should visit the festival of laughter at this Republican website (LINK) which mocks Democrats. The Republican website crows: Great Scott! The Power to choose does not belong to the Democrat voter! Wait until John McCain tours Florida and Michigan promising representation to the swing voters of those states. All the talk of “Count Every Vote” by Democrats in 2000 will be hollow indeed. And we have Dean, Brazile, and Pelosi to blame.
More from Gerald Seib’s Wall Street Journal article:
If some in the party succeed in essentially disenfranchising voters in some states by forcing an end to the campaign before those states get a chance to vote, good luck to the party’s leaders in trying to persuade Michigan, Florida and many other states four years from now that they shouldn’t move up their primaries to early January — or even December.
So does the party want states to move their primaries earlier on the calendar, or not? Does it want a system in which almost 800 unelected superdelegates are in a position to decide a nomination, or not?
Logic suggests that the time to answer those questions is either before or after a primary season, not in the middle of one.
The problem is “Party elders” aiding and abetting Big Media attempts to supplant Democratic voters in the choice of our Democratic nominee. To this end “Party elders” are willing to insult and alienate two of the biggest swing states in the nation.
Our recent call for the removal or resignation of Howard Dean is today front page news at the New York Times. Even that Big Media outlet recognizes the mess Howard Dean and his 48 state strategy have thrown real Democrats into.
After months in which he was largely absent from public deliberations about how to avert a risk to the party’s hopes of taking the White House in November, Mr. Dean stepped forward last week to say he wanted the contest resolved by July 1 and for Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama to tone down their attacks on each other.
Now that Hillary threatens to upend the Big Media/”Party elders’” attempt to force feed Democrats Obama, by winning in Pennsylvania and many more states – Dean decides to speak. The current attempt to force “Superdelegates” to decide immediately instead of waiting for developments in the resumed slumlord Rezko trial, more Wright revelations, and more Obama IEDs exploding during the Summer is part of the continuing ploys devised to thwart Democratic voters.
Yet three years after he won election as the party chairman by running largely as an outsider, it is not clear that Mr. Dean has the political skills or the stature with the two campaigns to bring the nominating battle to a relatively quick and unifying conclusion.
Indeed, 24 hours after he made his remarks, Mrs. Clinton said she intended to keep fighting for the nomination through the summer, if necessary. It was an unmistakable rebuke to Mr. Dean, who has never had good relations with the Clintons.
In an interview, Mr. Dean said he was taking steps to pave the way to a smooth convention in Denver this summer, suggesting that he had had private conversations with both campaigns.
Mr. Dean and his aides said they were assembling resources — voter lists, political organizations and polling on vulnerabilities of Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee. Beyond that, Mr. Dean and other Democrats argued that with the party so divided — and in the midst of a fight between two outsized political figures — there were limits to what he could, or should, do.
We doubt that these “resources” cobbled by the Chairman will be of much use. Further, Chairman Dean appears willfully obtuse on the need to seat all Florida and Michigan delegates in full and complete accordance with the wishes of Democrats in those two important swing states.
Still, senior officials in both campaigns said they had heard rarely from Mr. Dean on matters like the tone of the contest and how it might be concluded and what to do about the Michigan and Florida delegates, the subject of a bitter and potentially debilitating debate between the Clinton and Obama campaigns.
The chairman of the Florida Democratic Party, Karen Thurman, said she could not recall the last time Mr. Dean had called her to try work out the dispute. She and other Florida Democrats are to meet with Mr. Dean on Wednesday to try to persuade him to agree to a compromise.
Some Democratic Party leaders, while offering sympathy for Mr. Dean’s plight, said it was urgent that he take a more assertive role to restore peace. Several suggested that Mr. Dean — who has sought to build a legacy by expanding party operations to all 50 states — risked having his tenure as party leader remembered for a traumatizing loss in a year where most Democrats think victory should be easy.
Attempts by “Party elders” such as Pelosi to end the race by disenfranchising Democrats or forcing Superdelegates to immediately delcare their intentions are transparent attempts to buttress the Obama campaign as if faces difficult times in upcoming primaries soiled by Obama’s acquiescence to his podium humping “God Damn America” “Pastor’s” rants.
We applaud Democratic donors warning the Democratic Party of rank and file anger. We hope these donors follow a “No Donations Without Representation” policy in protecting the rights of Florida and Michigan Democrats.
But frustration with Mr. Dean’s hands-off approach was reflected across Democratic ranks. Peter S. Lowy, a prominent Los Angeles contributor who has held regular fund-raisers for Democratic campaign committees, sent Mr. Dean a letter complaining about his leadership of the party during this period.
“As long-term supporters of the party, we have been singularly dismayed with your performance during the current Democratic presidential primary season,” Mr. Lowy wrote.
“Party elders” and leaders had better stop worrying about salvaging Obama and start worrying about the Democratic voters of Florida and Michigan.
Any Democratic nomination that does not fully and completely represent the expressed will of Florida and Michigan voters will be illegitimate.
It’s Time For A Change – at the DNC.
*Can’t wait for Hillary to clean house….
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Hillary will be on Russ Parr’s radio show this morning @ 7:45am/ET. He was on Campbell Brown’s CNN show yesterday and was very critical of Pres. Clinton playing the “race card” in SC and accused Hillary’s campaign of ignoring African Americans.
It’ll be a very interesting conversation to say the least….
Good morning!
have made a “Hillary Goal” list for myself. These are my goals to help Hillary win. Everyday I will work on accomplishing these goals. Other then the ongoing ones my goal is to complete them by April 22nd. I ncourage everyone to make a “Hillary Goal” list and start working it!
1. Send letters in support of Hillary to Oregon papers through Hillary Responders.
http://www.hillaryresponders.com/
2. Do a Guest Blog on Hillary.Clinton regarding the fund raising event I worked on in Calif.
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/
3. Make calls to PA.
http://tinyurl.com/33t5vo
4. Travel to Philladelphia April 18-23 to work on Hillary’s campaign.
http://tinyurl.com/3aoa97
5. Continue to hold the media accountable by writing them and calling them on their bias.
6. Continue to blog in support of Hillary.
7. Make a “Hillary Speaks for Me” YouTube video.
http://www.hillaryspeaksforme.com/
8. Continue donating money and fund raising.
tinyurl.com/2j8ez2
9. Join Facebook groups that support Hillary and voters rights.
10. Continue praying/meditating for Hillary.
Good Morning -
I have made a “Hillary Goal” list for myself. These are my goals to help Hillary win. Everyday I will work on accomplishing these goals. Other then the ongoing ones my goal is to complete them by April 22nd. I encourage everyone to make a “Hillary Goal” list and start working it!
Send letters in support of Hillary to Oregon papers through Hillary Responders.
http://www.hillaryresponders.com/
Do a Guest Blog on Hillary.Clinton regarding the fund raising event I worked on in Calif.
blog.hillaryclinton.com/
Make calls to PA.
tinyurl.com/33t5vo
4. Travel to Philladelphia April 18-23 to work on Hillary’s campaign.
http://tinyurl.com/3aoa97
5. Continue to hold the media accountable by writing them and calling them on their bias.
Continue to blog in support of Hillary.
Make a “Hillary Speaks for Me” YouTube video.
http://www.hillaryspeaksforme.com/
Continue donating money and fund raising.
tinyurl.com/2j8ez2
Join Facebook groups that support Hillary and voters rights.
Continue praying/meditating for Hillary.
Test!!
Tried twice to post a list of Hillary Goals and the system ate it. Took off the all the ht stuff etc.
Anyway, this woman wrote a hit opinion piece in the WSJ about Hillary and Bosnia. It was so ridiculous. Hillary First Responders sent out the article. Now I can’t find it. But if you have it please read it and reply the author. Here is her email address. Thanks.
amy.chozick@wsj.com
Or if someone could help out with the link to the opinion piece that would be great. Thanks.
fox got a headline saying Dean is in trouble..dean in distress..lol
they challenge him to come on the show
Good morning Hillfans. A couple early morning links for you.
About BO’s “Indiana Truth Squad”. You might want to contact this blogger:
advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/04/will-obamas-indiana-truth-squad-address.html
This blogger wants to help rescue MyDD diaries:
rebelcentral.net/blog/?p=47
BTW .. anyone who wants to post their MyDD diaries at Obama’s Deck of Cards can contact me via RW’s encrypted email link.
This woman wrote a hit opinion piece in the WSJ about Hillary and Bosnia. It was so ridiculous. Hillary First Responders sent out the article. Please read it and reply to the author. Here is the article and the author’s email address. Thanks.
online.wsj.com/article/SB120700474140878503.html?mod=googlenew s_wsj
amy.chozick@wsj.com
Please everyone email/write/call all the uncommitted SDs so that they know what a strong base of support HRC has w/ dems. easy to email the uncommitted senators and governors. uncommitted reps need to be faxed. uncommitted DNC members are really, really hard to find. I have a list for CA, IN, PA, NC and WVA if anyone wants it.
What was that Hillary said a few months back?
“Barack, it’s very hard to have a straight up debate with you because you never take responsibility for anything.” Right?
Well, who’s he going to blame when he can’t get anything done?
Me thinks there’s a line of attack here….
.. … Obama aides and security detail got a little testy when Aswini tried to ask him a question about bowling, and we headed into the second overflow, this one in a room adjacent to the gym where he would hold the town hall. … ..
Obama was asked by a real person about his bowling, and noted his lousy score was actually even lousier since the score includes “a 10-year-old bowling one of my frames.” – The Page
Why is she going on that show if this guy is going to make those ridiculous claims?
Anyone who got kicked off of MyDD yesterday, except for linfar and Texas Darlin, please send me an email here:
paulfvillarreal@gmail.com
I have something to tell you which you will probably find interesting.
B Merry – Absolutely
I’m going to step out for a bit, but I wanted to give that info to people who got kicked off yesterday.
Never in my 90 yrs have i seen and experienced more danger for this country’s denocracy and our election system.Obama has the legacy of MLK for equality and justice for all races and turned it into a drive for power and retaliation for his followers.His obsession for power reminds one of the fight to control Germany in the 20’s.Just look at the hatred he has aroused in the black churches and the young followers of his cult.I feel uneasy about the formation of a African-American Bund.DIVIDE and CONQUER is not what this country needs from this young.inexperienced,glib-tongued,power hungry,individual.We have so much to learn and so much to fear about him.Be careful what you wish for and who you blindly follow.It could be a very dangerous path in our History. Fight for Hillary because—-
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ” ABM90
mj Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 am
Why is she going on that show if this guy is going to make those ridiculous claims?
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It called having courage and setting the record straight. But I also believe Hillary need to confront them and tell them that if they can’t fight a fair fight without using the race card on those who are their friends and supporters…then they will lose all legitimitisy in their argument and refer to Obama’s one air apology in Neveda about using race card as a political tactic.
I would not go on that show and apologize for anything….DON’T DO IT! Fight back and stand on your record because if you do you only legitimize their lying asses.
They won’t like it but they will stop pushing Hillary around with that crap because they want the headlines, staying Hillary is apologising. And anyway they are playing Down and DIRTY race politics where all White People are racists and all Black Middleclass who participate in the system are “Sellouts.”
Legitimitisy = Legitimacy
Hill gained nothing by losing AA voters. She wants their votes. I don’t know why that is not obvious. Her domestic agenda rightly disproportionately impacts poor african americans, latinos and whites. She wants the votes. Look, jewish voters in 2000 and 2004 supported Lieberman in his run. Catholic’s supported Kennedy. Greeks supported Dukakis. Her losing african american support has little to do with her.
Indeed, there are certain aspects of her agenda that target poor and working class african americans exclusively. Which, again, I agree with. Just not sure why no one acknowledges that.
Anyone know how the Parr interview went?
Process thrusts panel in spotlight
By Sean Lengell
April 2, 2008
Twenty-five Democratic activists named to an obscure party committee face the prospect of doing what millions of primary and caucus voters across the country so far haven’t — choose their party’s presidential nominee.
A law school dean, a car dealer and a college student are among the 25 people appointed by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean to the Convention Credentials Committee, a body that could swing the election when settling the brouhaha over seating Florida and Michigan’s delegates.
“I don’t think they explained that to us beforehand,” joked Dean Aguillen, a lobbyist who was appointed to the committee by Mr. Dean. “It’s something that came up later, and you started learning some of the processes of the convention.”
The bulk of the 186-person committee will be chosen by the candidates, Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, using a proportional formula that generally reflects the results of the primary contest — meaning neither one is expected to have enough votes to control it.
“It’s too early to tell at this point — something might happen before we get [to the convention], but if not, it’s a pretty big decision to make considering how close this election is,” said Leila Sahar, a senior at Lawrence University in Appleton, Wis., who was appointed to the committee by Mr. Dean in January. “That’s a pretty significant thing, and it’s a big committee to be a part of now.”
The committee is responsible for refereeing any questions regarding the seating of delegates and alternates that aren’t resolved by the party’s rules and bylaws committee. In most presidential election years, this means settling small disputes regarding individual delegates that have no bearing on the party’s presidential nominee.
But the panel, which isn’t expected to meet until July or early August, was thrust into spotlight after the Florida and Michigan Democratic parties last month abandoned plans to hold do-over primaries.
The committee still could avoid having to rule on the disputed delegates if the national party’s rules and bylaws committee — the group that stripped Florida and Michigan of a combined 367 delegates after the states moved their primaries to January — reopens the case.
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Dean is weak and it shows by how his democratic elite would rather push this notion of “Clinton Rules” but I call it How to lose the G.E. again to the republicans this November.
A college senior? You have got to be kidding me.
Dean: Democrats will unify around nominee
Posted: 12:40 PM ET
DNC Chairman Howard Dean said Democrats will support the party’s nominee.
(CNN)—Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said Tuesday a razor-thin margin of victory will not hurt the party’s unity so long as the elections are fair.
“One candidate is going to win with 50.2 percent of the votes and another candidate is going to lose by 49.8 percent of the votes,” Dean said. “I want to make sure that the candidate who doesn’t win this nomination feels they’ve been treated fairly according to the rules.”
Dean stressed again that he would like to see the race resolved by July 1—weeks before the party’s August convention.
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/01/dean-democrats-will-unify-around-nominee/
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This guy is such a fake…the DNC did everything it could to tilt this election Obama’s way. It’s the support the rules for Obama but can’t find the rules for Clinton…geesh.
04/02/08
http://Www.rasmussenreports.com
Hill now in the lead. Hill stable at 45 and obama down 2. Look at Hill vs McCain, she does better now than Ob vs. McCain. I know that these polls are fluid but this tells me that Obama still can’t close the deal with all of the help from his media friends.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Wednesday, April 02, 2008
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday continues to show a tight race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Hillary Clinton attracts 45% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 44% (see recent daily results). The two candidates have been essentially even nationally for the past month. The next big contest is set for April 22 in Pennsylvania where Clinton has the lead but Obama is gaining ground. An Associated Press Video shows Clinton and Obama campaigning across the Keystone State.
Daily tracking results are updated daily at 9:30 Eastern Time.
Looking ahead to the General Election, John McCain leading Barack Obama 47% to 41%. He leads Hillary Clinton 46% to 42% (see recent daily results). The survey shows that 19% of Democratic Primary voters will vote for McCain over Clinton. Twenty-two percent (22%) will vote for McCain over Obama. While Clinton and Obama campaign in Pennsylvania, McCain took time out to trade jokes with David Letterman. At the same time, Joe Lieberman said that Barack Obama does not bring much credibility to the debate on Iraq.
Among voters nationwide, McCain is now viewed favorably by 57% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 41%. Obama’s reviews are 49% favorable and 49% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 44% favorable, 53% unfavorable (see recent daily results).
Come on, unfavorably among 53%. That’s bs.
her message of being a fighter for the country is getting out. stay in there girlfriend!
ABM90 I agree with everything you have said. Obama has set back racial relations at least 40 years.
I had to have a blood test yesterday and the tech was AA. My first thought was “this woman could kill me and I wouldn’t even know it and no one else would either.” How is that for paranoia? I don’t want to think like that. I have never thought like that before. But because of the lying and race-baiting that Obama has done and the beliefs of that pastor and people in that church in Chicago, I am questioning what I thought had changed in this country during the last 45 years.
I really thought we had almost conquered our human rights problems. I know AAs still have a larger struggle than whites. But my children didn’t go to Harvard or even have that option. So some things must have changed. I have always thought that once the boomer generation is dead and gone, all of the civil rights problems left would be gone.
My children don’t think about the color of their friends and their children wouldn’t know what I am even talking about if I talked about race. Times have changed. Haven’t they?
Irish, you really need to stop. AA’s are simply for BO not against Hill. Please, give it a rest with that. And, yes, racism is a dying breed.
New Quinnipiac here has Hill up in PA 50-41%. Check it out, it also shows that she runs better than Obama against McCain in key swing states like OH, PA and FL.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1164
Where is Idunn at ??? have not seen her for a long time?
irish,
i understand exactly what you mean. i spent 20 years working with predominantly AA and hispanic populations. During the past few years, the relationships between the races has steadily deteriorated, not only between white and black but also between hispanic and black. Although the reason I stopped teaching was health related i have to say i am grateful to NOT be in that environment as I can only imagine what the BO candidacy has done to further inflame race relations in very urban school districts.
I agree with others who have said Bo has set race relations back decades.
You are not alone. it is not racism, it is reality.
mj, Ras polls likely voters; Hillary’s unfavorables tend to be worse among LVs (a very narrow group) than among registered voters.
Did you guys see this video? What do you think?
taylormarsh.com/hot_topics.php#2412
the polls are all over the place. PPP has BO up by 2 pts, while Survey USA has Hillary up by 12. This is for PA.
let’s work harder to make Hillary win by double digit margin in PA!!! We can! Hillary can! We will! Hillary will!
Remember it’s up to the will of the people!
Hillary needs to go on shows like the View, Ellen, and the likes to help with the unfavorability! And explain why she wants to go on because people are now under the impression that it is Hillary that pulled the wright matter, passport-gate matter, and others, and blaming it on Hillary she needs to be able to show her human side like she did before with Ellen, Tyra, and others.
Hillary is gonna kick Bambi’s azz in PN!!!
dont trust anything except SUSA, PPP is a you pay for it, you get what you want poller. total shit.
Realclearpolitics.com has us only up by 6 in Penn using a combination of several polls, including the one is which BO is up by 2. I knew the gap would close, but this is extremely unsettling. It looks like we will narrowly win, and with 3 weeks left, if he keeps gaining traction, the unthinkable is possible. Very depressing.
I don’t trust the polls myself.
She was going to lose CA by 13 points, NH by how many?
Ignore the polls.
jbstone,
IMHO, I do not believe HRC can lose PA. Having visited there and traveled there quite often and now living in an area very similar to the demographic breakdown of PA, I absolutely can’t see how BO can win there. In the cites, yes, but not in the rural areas and that is most of the state.
Today, Hillary wraps up her “Solutions for the Pennsylvania Economy” tour with a 21st Century Jobs Summit in Pittsburgh, PA focused on Hillary’s “insourcing” agenda that provides $7 billion in tax incentives and investments for firms creating jobs in America.
jbstonesfan,
Your posts are constantly negative. Every time. Please stop. We are here because we beleive that she will win PA, IN, WVA and the nomination. If you are so worried, funnel that into work and do something. Call PA, Call NC. Write a delegate whatever. Something about the constant negativity of your posts is very unsettling.
Please…
Polls came out before Ohio showing that she would either lose or barely win.
I only trust Survey USA, and I still take those with a grain of salt.
This speaks volumes and the SD should take note. Obama continues to have a problem with White voters and I don’t care what that NBC/WSJ poll says. Pat Cadell on H&C said the same thing that polls can be cherry picked an dhe believed that Hillary can still win pop vote as Michael Barone said and that Obama has a problem. Usually, I don’t give the time of day to Pat as he talks too much and isn’t particularly fond of the Clintons.
Read and discuss:
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http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1164
April 2, 2008 – Clinton Leads 50 – 41 Among Pennsylvania Democrats; Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Whites Give Clinton Lead In Key November Matchups: — PENNSYLVANIA Democrats: Clinton 50 – Obama 41; FLORIDA: Clinton 44 – McCain 42; McCain 46 – Obama 37; OHIO: Clinton 48 – McCain 39; Obama 43 – McCain 42
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New York Sen. Hillary Clinton holds a 50 – 41 percent lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among likely Pennsylvania Democratic primary voters and runs better against Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican nominee in Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.
This compares to a 53 – 41 percent lead in a March 18 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. In general election match ups of the three largest and most important swing states in the Electoral College, the survey finds.
Florida: Clinton 44 percent – McCain 42 percent; McCain beats Obama 46 – 37 percent;
Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 – 39 percent; Obama gets 43 percent to McCain’s 42 percent;
Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 48 – 40 percent; Obama leads McCain 43 – 39 percent.
The primary vote between Obama and Clinton splits sharply along racial lines, with her advantage coming from stronger support in every contest from white voters. For example, Clinton leads 59 – 34 percent among white Pennsylvania likely primary voters, while Obama leads 73 – 11 percent among black Democrats.
“When it comes to November, Sen. Hillary Clinton’s strength is a big edge over Sen. Barack Obama among white voters, who have not given a majority of their votes to a Democratic presidential nominee since Lyndon Johnson in 1964,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.”
More than a third of voters in the three states think Obama’s race is an advantage, more than twice the number who think it is a disadvantage. By contrast, roughly a quarter of voters say Clinton’s gender is an advantage, and about the same number think it is a disadvantage.
“Former Democratic vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro’s assertion that Obama’s race has helped his candidacy finds some support among the electorate,” said Brown.
“At least for now, Sen. Clinton’s argument that she is the better general election candidate in these key battleground states appears to have some validity,” said Brown. “In this survey, her strength among white voters is why she runs better against Sen. McCain than does Sen. Obama.
“Roughly one in five Democrats in the three states say they will vote for McCain against Obama, but less than 10 percent say they would vote for McCain over Clinton. Among white Democrats, 23 percent defect to McCain in a matchup with Obama, but only 11 percent defect when Clinton is the Democratic candidate.” Pennsylvania
Among Pennsylvania Democrats, Clinton leads 54 – 37 percent with women, and ties Obama 46 – 46 percent with men. Obama leads 51 – 42 percent among voters under 45 years old, while Clinton leads 54 – 37 percent among voters over 45.
By a 48 – 42 percent margin, Pennsylvania registered voters have a favorable opinion of Clinton. Obama gets a 49 – 31 percent favorability and McCain gets 47 – 31 percent.
“Sen. Clinton’s imaginary snipers, Rev. Wright, Geraldine Ferraro, these events have taken only a small toll on Sen. Clinton’s lead in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary,” said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
“Her strength is her clear advantage among white voters – blue collar whites, less educated whites, economically hurting whites, that group known famously as Reagan Democrats in the Keystone State. Obama is marshalling all his forces, but despite his eloquent dialogue on the race issue, Pennsylvania Democrats are unmoved. So Far.”
The economy is the most important issue in their vote, 46 percent of voters say, followed by 23 percent who list the war in Iraq and 14 percent who cite health care.
Looking at the most important quality in a candidate, 30 percent want a strong leader and 26 percent want someone who is trustworthy.
Being black is an advantage for Obama, 32 percent say, while 15 percent say it’s a disadvantage and 47 percent say it makes no difference.
Being a woman is an advantage for Clinton, 26 percent say, with 25 percent saying it’s a disadvantage and 45 percent saying it makes no difference.
Florida
In a general election match-up, McCain trails Clinton 44 – 42, too close to call, but handily defeats Obama 46 – 37 percent.
“The difference between Clinton and Obama in Florida is the white vote,” said Brown. “She gets 38 percent to 50 percent for McCain, but Obama loses to the Arizona senator 54 – 27 among white voters. If Obama does get the nomination, how he fares with whites will be crucial to his chances.”
The economy is the most important issue to Florida voters, 44 percent of voters say, followed by 19 percent who list the war in Iraq and 14 percent who cite health care.
Twenty-nine percent say a strong leader is the most important characteristic they seek in a president, while 27 percent say trustworthiness.
Being black is an advantage for Obama, 35 percent say, while 15 percent say it’s a disadvantage and 44 percent say it makes no difference.
Being a woman is an advantage for Clinton, 24 percent say, with 25 percent saying it’s a disadvantage and 47 percent saying it makes no difference. Ohio
Clinton’s 48 – 39 percent lead over McCain puts her clearly out in front after several months of see-saw, too-close-to-call results.
Men split with 43 percent for McCain and 42 percent for Clinton, but women go with her 53 – 35 percent.
In an Obama-McCain matchup in Ohio, women back Obama 44 – 40 percent as men split, with 44 percent for McCain and 42 percent for Obama.
Despite Clinton’s edge in the match-ups, she is not as well thought of overall as her two competitors. Ohio voters split 47 – 45 percent in their opinion of Clinton. By a 45 – 37 percent margin, voters have a favorable opinion of Obama. McCain gets a 42 – 33 percent favorability.
“The favorability data indicate that her lead may be in part due to higher name recognition. This is not a good omen as the other candidates become better known,” said Brown.
The economy is the most important issue in their vote, 44 percent of voters say, followed by 22 percent who list the war in Iraq and 17 percent who cite health care.
“The economic concerns of voters make Ohio a tougher challenge for McCain than has traditionally been the case for Republicans, who have never won the White House without carrying Ohio,” Brown said. “But Obama’s weakness among white men is an indication that he has not yet closed the sale among the lunch bucket brigade.”
Ohio voters split in the most important quality they want in a candidate, with 28 percent looking for someone trustworthy and 27 percent looking for a strong leader.
Being black is an advantage for Obama, 36 percent say, while 14 percent say it’s a disadvantage and 45 percent say it makes no difference.
Being a woman is an advantage for Clinton, 24 percent say, with 27 percent saying it’s a disadvantage and 46 percent saying it makes no difference.
From March 24 – 31, Quinnipiac University surveyed:
1,136 Florida voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.9 percent;
1,238 Ohio voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percent;
3,484 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of +/- 1.7 percent, including 1,549 Democratic likely voters, with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percent.
The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio and nationwide as a public service and for research. For more data — http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x271.xml, or call (203) 582-5201.
1a. If the 2008 Democratic primary for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, for whom would you vote? (If undecided) As of today, do you lean more toward Clinton or Obama? *This table includes Leaners.
We can win PA by 10+ points. I think it will be a big surprise to everyone what the margin will be. She is going to work it hard. We need to as well. Call, write letters to the editor, go to canvas if you can. Winning takes work.
PPP had her up by 21 points just 2 weeks ago… huh… and they had NC close… suddenly they started skewing polls in favor of obama.. well everyione knows
P.S. – And we all know how Ohio turned out. Therefore, the hand wringers need to take a deep breath and do something positive for the campaign.
looks like jbstonesfan wants to demoralize the people onboard here
@jit,
I agree. Have been watching posts. Definately fishy.
We need to be positive. She is gonna win it!!!
The April issue of Whistleblower magazine, a right wing pub, is all about “The Secret Life of Barack Obama”. From the titles of the list of articles, it’s mostly about things we’ve talked about here. I suspect it’s a lot like what Sean Hannity has been saying.
They plan to hit Hillary next Month and deal with McCain next.
A few more details can be learned at the link below. I don’t want to print the article because it’s also a sales promo for the mag. I don’t do spam.
worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60441
@jit,
comes in once a day – usually around this time – and drops a bomb.
CNN said yesterday 10 points is a blowout so those media thugs are on record and have to report the news for a change if she wins by 10.
General Election Polls (Hill is wining by a large margin in hypothetical match ups with McCain)…
Pennsylvania: McCain vs. Clinton Quinnipiac McCain 40, Clinton 48, Und 8 Clinton +8
Pennsylvania: McCain vs. Obama Quinnipiac McCain 39, Obama 43, Und 11 Obama +4
Florida: McCain vs. Clinton Quinnipiac McCain 42, Clinton 44, Und 8 Clinton +2
Florida: McCain vs. Obama Quinnipiac McCain 46, Obama 37, Und 9 McCain +9
Ohio: McCain vs. Obama Quinnipiac McCain 42, Obama 43, Und 8 Obama +1
Ohio: McCain vs. Clinton Quinnipiac McCain 39, Clinton 48, Und 8 Cl
Other polls today (Hill wins Nomination, Hill wins Indiana/PA)…
Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Tracking Obama 44, Clinton 45 Clinton +1
Indiana Democratic Primary SurveyUSA Clinton 52, Obama 43 Clinton +9
Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Quinnipiac Clinton 50, Obama 41 Cl
Also, there are still undecided voters out there, and they have generally, been in Hillary’s favor. I did not post that poll, to induce hand wringing (I do enough of that myself), but to show how varied the different polls are. Survey USA has been the most reliable one. PPP is s****, as someone else mentioned above. Undecideds are about 10 %.
A little bit of a cut off on those polls
Ohio McCain vs. Clinton Hill +9
PA Clinton/Obambi Hill +9
So….jbstonesfan….let’s talk polls *now*.
kafeen,
Which pollster?
One aspect of the GE that has not been talked about. A lot of people are not voting in the primary or caucuses (for varying reasons). I have to admit, I only started voting in the primary when Gore ran. I think it would be very very very interesting to see how these people would vote in the GE. The GE usually is the big draw. The final contest that brings out most people. I suspect that Hillary will win the vast majority of these people.
Ann,
Most are Quinnipiac, the Indiana Dem Primary poll I posted is from SUSA.
hillary live in PA cnn.com stream
Admin: Well said!
Dean must go!
Pelosi must step down from the committee as well SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE!
Brazile NEEDS to be THROWN OUT!
And SEN. KENNNEDY should resign from the senate!
That PPP poll is already up on TPM. It’s bound to be an outlier. We’ve all been here before. Expect MSM to trumpet that poll. I already saw it announced on Fox.
ALL of the polls today are “good” news for Hillary, but we know which one they’ll talk about.
Don’t be so paranoid. I am a huge Clinton supporter and have been for decades. I met Presisent Clinton, again, just over a month ago and my family has donated over 12k to Senators Clinton’s campaign and we are all maxed out. I not sure how I found this site, but I was happy to leave Huffington post and the hateful posts I had to endure there. I am well aware of how message boards work, and as a “newbie” and I not part of the clique. I am also a disenfranchised Florida voter whose county(Palm Beach) voted for Hillary in greater numbers than any other county in the nation. I am sorry some find my posts unsettling or suspect, but I am also a realist. I am hoping against hope that Hillary can pull it off, but anyone who wants to ignore the trends is simply in denial. It’s great to have a site like this, but we have to take the good news with the bad, and since the Bosnia fuck up, Wright has really become a non issue. The fact the her lead in Penn is going down was to be expected as he is spending 1.5 million a dsaay!!! Hillary needs to use whatever resources she has left and get on the air. Anything but a doublr digt lead will leave the press to conclude she “lost” and must immediately pull out. sadly, perception is driving this race.
i don’t believe you.
me either.
Some like to see the downside, I guess.
They would tell her to pull out if she had a 30 point lead — they want to disenfranchise the states that haven’t voted yet because they might vote the “wrong” way.
But she won’t pull out.
I just wish we could get Okie or Admin to organize another BIG MONEY DROP. I think the big money drop is what pushed her up a whole lot in February. I”m willing
Dean: Party Wants to Seat Fla. Delegates
KEN THOMAS
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON – Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean says the party is committed to seating Florida’s delegates at this summer’s convention.
Dean met Wednesday with Florida lawmakers to discuss ways of allocating delegates among Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The party stripped Florida and Michigan of their delegates because they ignored party rules moved their primaries to January.
Dean says the party is “committed to making sure that we do everything in our power to seat a delegation from Florida.”
The party chairman said it was critical that Obama and Clinton were “comfortable with the compromises that have to be worked out.”
Dean says discussions are continuing over Michigan.
The Party in both cases did not ignore the rules. In both cases, the Repubs moved up the primaries.
Great line!
Clinton’s campaign manager, Maggie Williams, on Tuesday compared calls for Clinton to end her campaign to the Florida recount in 2000, a still bitter episode for many Democrats
“The last time that we were told we’d better cut the process short or the sky would fall was when the Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount in 2000,” Williams said in a widely distributed campaign memorandum. “But Chicken Little was wrong. What was true then is true now: There is nothing to fear and everything to gain from hearing from all of the voters.”
Lee Hamilton endorsed Obama today. As TM says, the Dem elite wants to end this, so we need to be prepared for more of this.
As for the PA polls, Hillary clearly has been hurt by the Bosnia issue. It allowed the MSM to harp on her being a liar for days, which no candidate ever wants.
However, state polls are lagging indicators, and her comeback in the national tracking polls should (I hope) be reflected in PA soon.
“Maggie Williams, on Tuesday compared calls for Clinton to end her campaign to the Florida recount in 2000″
HOORAY MAGGIE
See we are getting a good share of the younger women….(not that I’m that much older)
STAT OF THE DAY:
Twelve percent of Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton’s female supporters are under age 30, as are 18 percent of those supporting rival Barack Obama, according to figures from exit polls of voters in 27 Democratic primaries where both candidates competed. The figures exclude Florida, Michigan and all caucuses.
Gravel calls
out.
Statement on Deadlock Over FEC Appointments
The White House and the Democratic Senate are caught up in a cynical game of who blinks first when it comes to making appointments to head the Federal Election Commission, said Senator Mike Gravel during a campaign stop at Cornell University in upstate New York.
The FEC is the federal agency tasked with enforcing campaign laws and investigating violations.
“This is politics as usual,” said Gravel. “The Republicans are seeking to force cronies into positions of power, as the Democrats bring the federal government to a grinding halt. Meanwhile, the FEC has been effectively neutered with respect to policing the entire 2008 election cycle as a result of Democrats blocking appointments.”
More precisely, Sen. Barack Obama has been identified in the Senate as one of the senators who has a hold on these appointments.
With only two members, the six-member commission is two votes short of the quorum it needs to protect the interests of the American people. As a result, the FEC is unable to certify public funding for presidential candidates. The agency is also unable to investigate allegations of campaign finance violations in this election cycle, which has spawned unprecedented amounts of donations.
“The two major parties in Washington could resolve this impasse,’ said Gravel. “But it now appears that their power is being abused to prevent any other presidential candidate from getting a fair shake.”
Learn More http://www.gravel2008.us
Jon Kraus
Deputy Campaign Manager
jon@gravel2008.us
(203) 209-7736
As an atty, I do tend to be skeptical, and following this nomination process and the way the media and lemmings have canonized Obama is enough to make anyone sick. I hope and pray everyday that Senator Clinton can some how pull this out. I thought the Wright thing would really stick, but the media has given him a pass after some initial scrutiny. I think our best shot is Hillary winning big in Penn, Indiana, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico and carrying the popular vote(including Florida and MI). This would allow the SD’s to go her way and not be accused of denying the will of the people.
Elite Dems can endorse him all they want as long as they do not have a vote at the convention just like Lee Hamilton does not. Just another has been who wants to be in the lime light like Richardson.
Ann
You keep saying we can win PA by 10 points and I disagree we WILL win PA by more than 15 points. The Obama cultist can “yes we can” all they want as that phrase in itself leaves the possibility of defeat and “Yes We Will” does not.
jbstonesfan-
The Wright scandal will stick- but it will do so with individual voters not the gushing media, particularly in Pennsylvania and the remaining states.
Hillary is in to win.
With our help, she will.
rjk1957,
Agree…..that’s why I said that I think people will be surprised by the size of the margin. Helping drive a big, big win there is the single biggest thing we can do to completely change the narrative.
Yeah, I agree with Kaffeen. To the person here who think Wright is over, you ain’t seen nothing yet. If you think for one second there will not be 527’s with God Damn America next fall were Dem’s foolish enough to back this clown, you are smoking far too much hopium.
If the delegates will be seated, then shouldn’t the media add those votes to the pop vote total?
@Ronald,
Agree with you on Wright. You can’t erase those images from people’s minds. We need to keep it alive …….. on the blogs, with email campaigns, etc. Like – I am writing letters to the PA papers citing Tapper’s story yesterday about all the stuff being wiped off the TUCC website. It gives me a reason to bring it up again and to cite their manifesto.
The Lee Hamilton endorsement IMO is a response to the IN poll that came out yesterday. The insider Dems are trying to influence the IN voters.
But the voters have shown they have their own way of deciding what is important to them.
People like Hamilton have nothing to lose and everything to gain by endorsing OB. The perception, right or wrong, is that he is going to bring big gains to the party. They undecided have no motivation for endorsing Hillary as they want to hedge their bets and not alienate either one. It was great that Murtha came out for Hillary as that will really help her. Casey, imo, was pay back for his dad not getting to speak at the convention in 92 b/c of his anti-choice stance. If you except his rationale that he listened to his kids, than the guy is a moron. Hillary could use some big name endorsements now, and I am puzzled why they have not played that Maya Angelou endorsement as it can’t hurt among AA’s.
As someone on TM noted, Hillary supports implementing all the 9/11 Commission recommendations, yet Hamilton endorses Obama. Do these endorsers really believe Obama will transcend partisanship? I can’t believe they’re that naive.
Ann-
you’re giving me an idea…. is there a way to write letters to individual voters? In Pittsburgh, people would respond to individual hand written letters (not mass mailings though…)
I was at the University of Pennsylvania hospital this morning and on the TV in the waiting room must have shown 4 Obama ads in less than 30 minutes and people started complaining about him. One lady said he was liar and another said I do not trust him, no one stays in a church that long unless they believe what the pastor is saying.
jbstones, The big damage Wright will do is in November, not in the primary.
If the insiders think he will help the party, they should take a look at the damage he’s done to it already.
And at the fact that Hillary does much better than he in the electoral college.
Dont pay any attention to that person. Clearly, Hill brings in a bigger coalition. I am not sure what that person is up to.
How can surveyusa have her up double digits one day and the next day pppd has obama up 4! What is wrong with this picture!
rjk: nice to hear, not everyone is drinking the kool-aid.
winhillary: take the polls with a grain of salt. PPP is notoriously out of sync with the other polls. Survey USA has been more reliable. The national polls are better: see Kafeen’s posts.
I will take the Bosnia thing over the Wright controversy anyday. I don’t understand some people.
This Wright thing will never ever go away.
By the way it will be Hillary that will be the nominee. I will bet anyone. I will donate $25.00 to her campaign not the DNC if i am wrong.
Ronald
try phone banking instead. while it seems impersonal it really isn’t because there are still undecideds who you can reach one on one. hillaryclinton.com gives you the tools, practice on a friend if it will help.
another way (less effective) is
is to write letters to the editors of local newspapers, usually they will only print those from area residents but you can try.
campaigns have the mailing lists of voters and are more equiped to reach them via mail.
Ronald,
Sure….why not. As long as you use publically available info ie. the phone book.
mj, What person are you referring to?
So if they are going to seat the delegates, then shouldn’t the media include those votes in the pop vote?
jb
Rove on the campaign.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4569091&page=1
Basically calls
a liar.
theres 2 things you can do with polls
either put a flag on it , or a hook, line and sinker on it and go fishing
as for the rest, they are #1 reason to see your shrink
would it be legal to stand near a PA/IN/NC polling location playing clips from Wright on election day?
Well I just heard on Cnn that hillary has 53 in penn and obama has 41 did i hear that right? I just heard that on cnn.
Ok. Gone. See y’all in a few days. Judges and clients on my ass right now and I have serious deadlines.
I think it depends on which poll. There are a million of them and they all say something different.
henry Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 pm
would it be legal to stand near a PA/IN/NC polling location playing clips from Wright on election day?
YES if you are 100 feet away from the entrance.
@henry,
I don’t know but it sure would be fun…..wouldn’t it?
Universal, Linfar or others,
How do I contact the people at mydd?
I want to ask them to delete my account and give them an earful on why I want to do that (I sign off as pm317 on it).
SUSA has been the most reliable pollster. Currenty, as of yesterday, they have this in PA…
Pennsylvania Democratic Primary SurveyUSA Clinton 53, Obama 41 Clinton +12
For goodness sake people, don’t let the Obambi-bots freak you out. Hill will win PA.
Hillary live in Pittsburgh on CNN
Herny-
aren’t you in Pittsburgh? How’s she doing?
I wish we could picket and the dnc, I wonder if any people do.
Ann, I will be going to PA on th 18th, Would hand written letters be ok to pass out? Would i have to get permission?
Henry, no it would not be illegal. But you may have to be a certain distance away from the entrance.
Kaffeen, what do you think? Since they are now saying the delegates will be seated, isn’t it time to include those vote totals?
neetabug Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Ann, I will be going to PA on th 18th, Would hand written letters be ok to pass out? Would i have to get permission?
Neeta, that’s a lovely idea. I think that would be fine, but you may want to let the campaign staff take a look at the letter first.
Who says the delegates will be seated? Howard Dean? LOL
I forgot to say, i would like to go knocking on doors, or leaving the information if no one is home
Thanks
Well, he says they will up above in some fashion, so I am asking isn’t it time the media add those vote totals? Clearly, they don’t know the break down of the delegates, but they know the vote totals.
ronald
who can tell. everyone i know is pro hill and leaning mccain but if you watch the local news its pro bambi and after his speech i spoke with an individual who temporarily was persuaded. i actually had to print up the speech and have him read it for him to see how bambi had completely avoided his own responsibility and flipped it on to America. he did see the light but not until he actually read the words.
neetabug,
Usually the campaign office you will working out of will have a specific narrative that they want you to emphasize but they encourage you to bring your own personal insights into it……generally from a postive perspective, though. They want you talking passionately and personnaly about why you support HRC not why you are against BO.
Does anyone have any info into how her interview with Russ Parr went this am?
Neetabug I went door to door for years and let me tell you it works get as many people as you can and put it up! It shows strength and people will come out and talk, ask questions you bet it will work! I live in california everything seems so far away. I got pelosi though lol!
@neetabug-
neetabug Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Ann, I will be going to PA on th 18th, Would hand written letters be ok to pass out? Would i have to get permission?
The campaign really LOVES good hand made signs- and if you hand them out on your own at rallies, they can say whatever you want
As for door knocking and leaving letters- GO FOR IT! I went door knocking in Butler when I lived in Pittsburgh for the 2006 election and I had a great time. Be sure to take someone with you- the campaign will pair you up with someone. Once you knock on someone’s door and start talking you’re free to say what you want. Pittsburghers are very friendly and very interested in politics. They know they are swing voters and will talk to you at length about the issues.
Have FUN!
Ann the info will be why i support Hillary, I will never say anything about Obama. I would never bring his name up.
for hand written letters what about something like this
Rezko
Jeremiah Wright
Michelle Obama
Reverend Meeks
Ayers
Black Panthers
perhaps a link beneath each but nothing else. seeing it all together might persuade a few fence sitters.
henry-
help neetabug?
No, I would write positive hand written letters. The campaign would not approve of negative hand written letters, IMO.
I had a chance to talk to Jonathan Mantz when he was in Boca for the fund raiser. At that time, the campaign was raising about 1 million a day which resulted in the 34 million dollar Feb. It seems everyone rallied around Hillary when we learned about her finances. Today, “Time” has stated that BO raised 30 million in March and they project Hillary at or near 20 million. Hopefully, that will be enough to get us some more air time in the upcoming races.
As for the polls, it’s hard to tell as this race has been unpredictable. I do agree, however, that some skew their questions to solicit unfavorable
results for Hillary. Next week should be more accurate as the Bosnia thing will be more removed.
As for Wright, I don’t really care if that willhurt BO in NOvember, as that would mean we lost!!! It certainly should be an issue in this primary as Ed Koch pointed out in a very interesting article .
neetabug-
I like your approach. Positive hand written messages about Hillary will go a long way in Pittsburgh.
• mj Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 pm Yeah, I agree with Kaffeen. To the person here who think Wright is over, you ain’t seen nothing yet. If you think for one second there will not be 527’s with God Damn America next fall were Dem’s foolish enough to back this clown, you are smoking far too much hopium.
If the delegates will be seated, then shouldn’t the media add those votes to the pop vote total?
You’re absolutely right there will be not only 527’s but PAC’s and let’s not forget the RNC has its funds to bring out ads as well
Also……..I believe the DNC only stripped the delegates from Fl and MI but I don’t recall them stripping the Popular vote from those two states
So why are they not being counted???
And to everyone……..don’t watch the polls….they are all bought and paid for anyways
If you want to know stats, may I suggest you pick the white pages up make calls
Ask your own questions….do the math afterwards.
Perhaps this should be a project of this list?? Everyone could split up and call a certain area
Combine with everyone else areas , do this one state at a time.
Then move on to previous states that have voted and figure out if obama has lost supporters (as we suspect)
And if Hillary has gained (as we also suspect)
As far as the SD goes…..they are either being bought or threatened to back Obama
(for the time being) I think when we get to the convention, we will see a lot of them do a flip flop
Wright is and will remain an issue. It’s a drip, drip, drip. However, Super’s should be thinking about November.
mj
so is just writing rezko wright et al negative?
An impact letter, one paragraph that just blows you away! I bet most would say that they never even heard about it, and you know what that would be true, thanks to the media!
ronald
neetabug is going to philly
Seems like Pelosi is going down the list of the eight items I sent her and doing the right thing. Of course I am not flattering myself because if they are clear to a non-player and not a wanna be like me then they have got to be patently obvious to those on the inside. I really dont care what she does just as long as the superdelegates do the right thing and select Hillary over Obama.
Didn’t we have a list of uncommitted superdelegates? Is so did anyone happen to retain it? If so could you repost? If not where can we find it?
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henry Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
mj
so is just writing rezko wright et al negative?
I just don’t think that’s the sort of thing that you do in a personal note. You catch more flys with honey.
if this list was to do as i suggested, i would also suggest keeping very good records of peoples names,addresses and phone numbers…. along with the questions asked, then send the info to all the MSM and the DNC
Why Clinton Should Stand Her Ground
FROMA HARROP
April 2, 2008
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Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Reprints Post comment Text size: If the Democratic contest lasts until the convention in late August, so what? That leaves two months for Democrats to “coalesce” around their candidate and fight the Republican. And even that shorter time frame will seem a month too long for voters.
So why not go the nine innings? The great American pastime is not judged by time but by action in the field. That’s how the game is played.
Polls say most ordinary Democrats want more primaries. But Democratic leaders — not coincidentally, Barack Obama’s backers — say Hillary Clinton must drop out for the good of party. She has no chance of winning the nomination.
Wrong and wrong. Obama’s support among independents seems to be weakening — largely because of the Rev. Wright controversy. That Obama tolerated his pastor’s highly offensive remarks for two decades is a problem that will not go away, whatever the polls say.
Republican John McCain would be a formidable foe for either Democrat. But his appeal to the sort of moderates who would otherwise support Clinton adds to Hillary’s argument that she’d be the stronger Democrat in November. Some 28 percent of her backers say they’d vote for McCain if she loses.
As for Clinton’s odds to nail the nomination, they’re not great — but also not nil. Democrats in Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and seven other states have yet to vote. If she wins big in those places — and the Florida and Michigan primaries are somehow redone — she could emerge with most of the popular vote after all. And even if she doesn’t, the superdelegates could give her the margin she needs — especially if momentum turns in her favor. (Insisting that superdelegates rubber-stamp the voters makes no sense. Why have them?)
Obama’s surrogates are nonetheless playing the inevitability card. The race for the nomination is over, they say, so let’s move on.
Long ago, Clinton’s campaign made much the same pitch. It wasn’t attractive then, and it’s not attractive now. Inevitability talk is designed to demoralize challengers but comes off as dismissive.
The Obama camp knows that and so employs a two-faced strategy. It sends out high-profile supporters to chant that Clinton can’t win and is selfish for hanging in. Then Obama sails in with his smooth “Clinton can stay in the race as long as she wants” and a patronizing “I think that she should be able to compete and her supporters should be able to support her for as long as they are willing or able.”
News flash: No one asked him.
The game’s not over till it’s over. And it’s not over until Clinton says it is — or the convention chooses someone. Or Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean gets the superdelegates to designate a clear winner.
If the game were truly over, then Obama’s helpers wouldn’t care whether Hillary stayed in the race or not. Their candidate would be making leisured and genial appearances at events — as McCain did once it became obvious that Mike Huckabee was no longer a serious threat.
Party elders say letting the Democratic candidates snipe at one another through August would hurt their nominee’s chances in the general election. Perhaps. But ending the contest earlier would also extend the time Republicans have a Democrat to attack.
When the baseball game reaches the eighth inning, and one side is way behind, the league doesn’t say: “Team X has no chance of winning. Time to declare a victor.”
When the game goes into extra innings, and people are getting tired, Americans know what to do: Go into the kitchen and make a sandwich. Be patient. It will play out.
Froma Harrop is a synidcated writer in Rhode Island.
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Oh… well Philly is nice to I guess, but I love Pittsburgh
Here is my letter that I email around. Feel free to copy- words do matter I guess.
Some of it is admittedly negative at BO but that’s my stance, not for everyone.
Barack Obama does not speak for me. He claims to be a different kind of politician but he is not. Pull back the curtain and you see that he is coldly calculating and deceptive. He is very good at it -but he does not offer a new kind of politics. From the lies and attacks he has put forth against Clinton from the beginning of his campaign, to his shifting stance on Rezko and Wright, to his denials about NAFTA and even the cornerstone of his campaign- IRAQ, this man speaks with a silver forked tongue. He tells everyone one what they want to hear- in beautiful rhetorical language while doing exactly what he accuses others of behind the scenes. He won his first election to the state senate by having his opponent’s name taken off the ballot by contesting the nominating signatures. He won his senate seat by revealing his opponents divorce records. All the while financed by the slum landlord Rezko- I guess that’s his idea of community organizing.
Who the hell is he to point a finger at Hillary Clinton? Where is the media? Why is SNL the ONLY outlet to see the transparent idiocy and comedy in this? Why is the media treating Hillary Clinton the way they treated Al Gore in 2000 and WHY is everyone buying it? Once again, the experienced knowledgeable, tested candidate is deemed too boring, too nerdy, too un-likable.
Hillary is not perfect. BUT, unlike Obama, Hillary does not pretend to be someone that she isn’t. She doesn’t put on airs as the new messiah. She doesn’t say change and hope and hope for change. She specifically explains what she has done, what she will do and why.
The kids don’t get it. I’m not a believer. I’m a thinking adult.
Hillary Clinton speaks for me.
I met Hillary. I was one of the ones chosen to ride with her Caravan thru Ohio.
Make no mistake she is warm, passionate and really cares about this country.
From noquarter.. I agree with this. We have to insist that FL and MI are resolved BEFORE a nominee is picked. If they all say FL and MI are going to be eventually seated, that is not good enough for us. In fact, my fear is that, Obama if he became the nominee with the current status quo, will make a big show of seating them as a grand gesture after nomination. That is not acceptable, he will still be illegitimate.
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Comment by Shainzona | 2008-04-01 22:44:10
A big WARNING….listen very carefully to what Dean et al mean by “seated”. In some instances, it has meant “can come to our convention, play and party with us and vote on rule changes”. But that is NOT THE SAME THING as being allowed to vote for the Dem. Nominee.
So when you hear people suggest that they are “for seating MI and FLA”, make them define what they mean.
Don’t fall into their trap!
To call Howard Dean a lackluster slacker is a massive understatement. The guy has been AWOL and we’re in the middle of the most critical Democratic primary in modern history. And he is solely responsible for the FL and MI fiasco, in the first place. Talk about an absence of leadership.
mj
def agree with the flies/honey bit
but things come out so far apart and it looks like people actually buy into a silly commercial from a silly man. i ususually hit mute when one of his ads come on but the last one was going on about the price of gas and i believe that there are some people who feel that if they elect him that the price will go down. they also hear the ad and then hear that congress is holding hearings on the profits of oil cos and they associate that with him.
so i think a list of all his controversies without comment could have an effect. and like i said just the names with maybe a link but nothing else.
mj wrote:
Wright is and will remain an issue. It’s a drip, drip, drip. However, Super’s should be thinking about November.
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Absolutely. By not quitting the Trinity Church and by defending Wright at every turn, Obama has left himself especially vulnerable to ongoing attacks. Sean Hannity, FOX News, and the Republicans have lots more dirt on Wright, and they’ll keep releasing it, slowly, and asking, “Obama, are you STILL comfortable being a member of the Trinity Church, now that these other Wright comments are coming to light?” It will go on right up until November.
ronald
pray tell what is likable about pitts/ did you work for upmc?
go vote in the AOL straw poll, if you haven’t already. You can vote once, and it runs for the entire week.
news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/24/aol-straw-poll-march-24-31/?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Ok, the wyoming gov endorsed BO. Notice he’s getting out all these white guys. These people are fools. If Hill has anyone in the sidelines, best to bring them out now.
I did work for UPMC and that was NOT likable. :-0
As for Pgh, the likable part was the people. I thought it was very friendly.. and historic, and beautiful.
Bill Clinton is rightfully pissed at Bill Richardson. Check this out:
Notice the last graf where Richardson’s spokesman said Richardson never promised to endorse Hillary. Um, that’s not the issue. Carville and others said he promised repeatedly not to endorse Obama – hardly the same thing. Bill C. says Richardson told him FIVE TIMES TO HIS FACE that he wouldn’t endorse Obama. What a lying sack of shit.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAVNVU2PJ.DTL&type=printable
ronald
nothing save perhaps prague can hold a candle to manhattan
henry-
I moved to Pgh from manhattan (Ave B & 3rd)….
lived in dahntahn pixburg and liked it. Reminded me of what NYC might have been like in the 80’s before it became trendy and everyone went shopping.
On Drudge, headline says they are trying to seat Fl delegates!!!
Paula, Bill Richardson chicken out. He knew if Bill saw him there he would have laid him out.
tcbequalityactions, great post.
http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=558#comment-132258
Great ideas on things to do. What we have learned from New Hampshire on, is not to worry about things we have little or no control over (biased polls, biased Big Media, incense burners) but instead to get things done. Calls, donations, communications are all things we can do individually or together.
Right now the priority is Pennsylvania. The polls don’t matter and are a waste of time thinking about. What does matter is getting actual VOTES in Pennsylvania.
A leaflet informing voters about Wright “garlic noses” written in Italian and distributed outside churches on Sunday or in Italian-American communities will do more to help than all the speculation in the world.
Hillary will win Pennsylvania. The only question is by how much. The bigger the margin of victory the more damage to the Big Media pro-Obama narrative and the more it helps Hillary in subsequent states (where she is doing very well).
Your post is a great start on coming up with ideas on what to do to help.
We have people on the ground in Pennsylvania – how can we help them help Hillary?
Can we help them write and get leaflets distributed in Pennsylvania? What else can be done to widen the margin of victory?
Hillary has been traveling a lot outside of Pennsylvania and not advertising. Obama has been touring Pennsylvania and airing lots of ads there. Obama is at his high water mark. Two weeks or 1 week before Pennsylvania votes Hillary will air ads and spend all her time in Pennsylvania – that’s when things will matter. That’s when we will keep an eye on SurveyUSA polls (the only reliable ones this season).
Right now we should, on this Hillary support site, think about how we can help support Hillary and make those margins large in Pennsylvania. Make Big Media and Obama eat uncooked crow.
What can we do to help win bigger in Pennsylvania? You are on the right track.
wbboie,
I have a list of uncommitted dems with contact info if you want it.
,
Does Hillary have any flyers on her website? I thought, I saw some, before Super Tuesday. I’ll go look.
PM, you can find the contact addys for all 3 moderators of mydd at the bottom of the home page under contact us.
Todd beeton has responded to someone saying in essence that it is time to get behind the nominee and attacks are not helpful–so anyone who attacked O bama I guess is fair game. I didn’t see his actual statement so Iam reporting a report–have no real idea if it is accurate.
the purged total of people keeps rising. Right now it stands at Universal, linfar, budd white, JFK [with numbers] and TexasDarlin. Others have received warnings.
Several people are wanting to organize a boycott or strike.
What is chilling to me–apart from experiencing being “disapeared”– is the complete lack of committment to democracy combined with a willingness to silence dissent .
It is not just the mainstream press that has silenced and banned hillary voices. It is also the blogosphere. Huffington post, dkos, now mydd. The progressive–far left–wing of the dem party is pulling out all the stops to get their way. I cannot imagine what will hapen to the country whipsawed between the far right and now the far left. Hillary Clinton is a solid, considerate, all-inclusive candiate who will not take us over a cliff.
Well, that’s the mydd dedbacle in a nutshell at this point. Pleasek, get the word out. I will be posting with anyone who asks me. And univeral and I are working on a combined post to demonstrtate the extent of the bias against hillary postgers on the blogosphere.
Thank you to everyone here for your support and concern. It is a hard time for me and some of the others. Censorship is not pretty and it is tough to experience. We need for this to be heard.
Forgot to mention that admin has invited Universal and I to be guest bloggers here and we will be posting diaries here hopefully soon.
Admin is a good egg
:)
I was never much of a conspiracy theorist before this election but… It just never ceases to amaze me how EVERY TIME HRC is supposed to win big in CA, MA, OH, hell even NY state. Then all of a sudden the polls “tighten”. Yeah right!
have you guys seen this site?? w w w . audacityofhypocrisy.com/
someone on here yesterday is a state delegate for Texas. I think maybe texas4hillary, i can’t remember. She said she was going to the state convention for Hillary. I was told that votes cannot change now, is that true, and if so, what about the at-large delegates and the uncommitted delegates?
Of course Dean would say he wants to seat FL delegates…but he refuses to say WHEN!……
Do not be bamboozled by this latest hookwinker in the DNC!!!
ITA nikki22. Do you want to bet that the day before the election, Barry will be leading by 5 in Rass’s, Zogby polls. I am telling you that half of these polls are fixed. The only one I go by is SURVEY USA since they seem to be without an agenda.
where’s bill today?
Just a little anti-paranoia thought.
We’ve seen the same pattern over and over: a state whose primary is several weeks away polls high for Hillary; as the election approaches the margin narrows to very close; then on election day she ends up winning handily (as in NH, Ohio, etc), with Undecideds breaking for her.
This could just be a normal way for people to react over time:
“I know Hillary, she’s pretty good, I guess I’ll vote for her.”
“Okay, now Obama’s running ads, he looks interesting, I’ll try him.”
“Well, now that I really have to get serious — Hillary is the serious choice.”
1950: “Well, now that I really have to get serious — Hillary is the serious choice.”
Exactly!
What’s up with mydd?
by mnicholson0220, Tue Apr 01, 2008 at 11:16:17 PM EST
We’ve just heard of several longtime members of mydd being summarily kicked off mydd.
Guess I’m one of the lucky ones. Today I received a “warning” that I need to cut out the racist comments and diaries, with reference to my diary entitled “Obama’s Race Baiting: The Memo”. But I haven’t been kicked off. Not yet at least.
The above-referenced diary was removed. And here’s the kicker: That diary was about 95% quotes from a Huffington Post article, plus the Obama campaign’s actual memo, which is public knowledge. I did add a couple of editorial comments, including one stating how deeply offensive it is to me when someone plays the race card. Was THAT it? Or …
What gives?
Has the long arm of the Obama thought police reached into mydd, taken truth by the throat, and throttled it? Floods of hate mail directed at the admins, perhaps, as happened to Geraldine Ferraro? Threats? Intimidation?
A word of explanation from the admins might be helpful.
1950democrat,
Then why doesn’t the same thing happen with the states BO is supposed to win by double digits? I could buy an innocent explanation if it only happened once or twice. But this is a pattern we’ve seen for the entire primary.
About flyers for PA and elsewhere.
There is a great free service, docs.google.com
You make an account, and it’s very easy to put your information up and it goes into flyer form. You save it as a file. Others can access it and print it on their own computers.
nikki22 Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:50 pm
1950democrat,
Then why doesn’t the same thing happen with the states BO is supposed to win by double digits? I could buy an innocent explanation if it only happened once or twice. But this is a pattern we’ve seen for the entire primary.
Because HIllary is better known than BO.
I agree we should mistrust the polls, particularly anti-Hillary totals. But if all the polls were fixed all the time, they wouldn’t ever show HIllary with big leads that shrink, they’d show her behind all along.
Okay, here it is. this is amazing. Here is todd beeton’s post to someone asking about the mydd purge.
From: Todd Beeton
> > To: macmcd@…
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 10:04:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: I am very confused.
> >
> >
> > With all the flame wars and Democrat on Democrat
> > attacks, yes, we’ve
> > gotten harder on diarists who attack, accuse, etc.
> > If you’d like to
> > send me some of the usernames of the folks you think
> > were unfairly
> > banned I’ll take a look.
> >
> > You know what crap some Hillary supporters are
> > writing about Barack
> > on this site? It’s disgusting and has no place on a
> > Democratic blog,
> > know what I mean?
> >
> > Thanks.
@1950
Good point but personally, I still think it’s a conspiracy.
I think PA is critical. It will show she has got the stuff. If I could get back there and put boots on the ground I would. We should be blanketing that state. Gotv should begin Right Now. Everyone will be watching that state.
I have a ph.d in psych and statistics are something you have to suffer thru
Polls are pretty much a load of crap. Yu can make them say what you want.
I am also begining to think the big leads for Clinton shrinking as soon as bama flys overthe state are a bit misleading.
Polls are interesting as general feedback, but always need to be taken with a grain of salt–or 2 grains, or maybe e
jbstonesfan Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
On Drudge, headline says they are trying to seat Fl delegates!!!
If it’s on Drudge, then it’s either false or misleading.
DNC is trying to bamboozle us, saying they will “seat” delegates (after it’s too late to vote for the nominee) — or “count their votes” (after CHANGING their votes to 50-50 or something).
Talking of conspiracies, I’ve been on internet forums for years too and I know about cliques. But hillaryis44 isn’t reallly cliquey. It’s a busy, working, can-do sort of place; anyone joins in, fine. (We don’t stop work to have a greeting party for every newcomer either; we just assume they’ve come to work too.)
The problem is there’s a war on, and we do have to watch out for trolls. Some of us may get a little paranoid. But it’s not a clique, social kind of problem. If you have bona fides fine, offer them; but don’t sweat it either way.
All this stuff about mydd…. I was just getting into posting there, but if there’s going to be that kind of tip-toeing, then why the hell isn’t there some new pro-Hillary big blog we can post at?
How much money and time does it take to set up one of those?
Hanoi Jane Drops Barack Bomb
Posted Apr 2nd 2008 11:40AM by TMZ Staff
Obama may have just hit Barack bottom. Jane Fonda has thown her spandex behind the Senator from Illinois, and the Senator from New York couldn’t be happier.
OkieAtty,
Don’t be too hard on Jane. I loved her in Monster in Law.
“You know what crap some Hillary supporters are
> > writing about Barack
> > on this site? It’s disgusting and has no place on a
> > Democratic blog,
> > know what I mean?”
But not vice versa, apparently.
plural, you got it right.
I just watched the video of Lou Dobbs calling out the media bias in the reporting of Clinton’s and Obama’s standing in the race.
Wow!! that guy is phenomenal. I mean he just called it right out and Bill Schneider was backpedaling all over the place. If you haven’t seen it, go to Taylor Marsh and look in the diaries. It is right there.
It made me feel so good. He just really made everyone face the way the race is being spun.
1950 democrat, I am with you on that. Bigtime. We need to get our own site going.
Confloyd – I believe Texan4Hillary is an alternate for State in TX – (please correct me if I’m wrong, T4H)
mp – can you join Hillbillylover’s site politwix and table talk chat area so you and I can exchange info?
someone posted the link earlier, but I’ll repost with the article: sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAVNVU2PJ.DTL
Bill Clinton’s tirade stunned some delegates
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross
Wednesday, April 2, 2008
The Bill Clinton who met privately with California’s superdelegates at last weekend’s state convention was a far cry from the congenial former president who afterward publicly urged fellow Democrats to “chill out” over the race between his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Barack Obama.
In fact, before his speech Clinton had one of his famous meltdowns Sunday, blasting away at former presidential contender Bill Richardson for having endorsed Obama, the media and the entire nomination process.
“It was one of the worst political meetings I have ever attended,” one superdelegate said.
According to those at the meeting, Clinton – who flew in from Chicago with bags under his eyes – was classic old Bill at first, charming and making small talk with the 15 or so delegates who gathered in a room behind the convention stage.
But as the group moved together for the perfunctory photo, Rachel Binah, a former Richardson delegate who now supports Hillary Clinton, told Bill how “sorry” she was to have heard former Clinton campaign manager James Carville call Richardson a “Judas” for backing Obama.
It was as if someone pulled the pin from a grenade.
“Five times to my face (Richardson) said that he would never do that,” a red-faced, finger-pointing Clinton erupted.
The former president then went on a tirade that ran from the media’s unfair treatment of Hillary to questions about the fairness of the votes in state caucuses that voted for Obama. It ended with him asking delegates to imagine what the reaction would be if Obama was trailing by just 1 percent and people were telling him to drop out.
“It was very, very intense,” said one attendee. “Not at all like the Bill of earlier campaigns.”
When he finally wound down, Bill was asked what message he wanted the delegates to take away from the meeting.
At that point, a much calmer Clinton outlined his message of party unity.
“It was kind of strange later when he took the stage and told everyone to ‘chill out,’ ” one delegate told us.
“We couldn’t help but think he was also talking to himself.”
When delegate Binah – still stunned from her encounter with Clinton – got home to Little River (Mendocino County) later in the day – there was a phone message waiting for her from State Party Chairman Art Torres, telling her the former president wanted him to apologize to her on his behalf for what happened.
Still, word of Clinton’s blast shot all the way back to the New Mexico state Capitol, where Richardson spokesman Pahl Shipley reiterated Tuesday that his boss had never “promised or guaranteed” Bill and Hillary his endorsement.
Lee Hamilton is a old white dude – an elitist as well….falling in to keep the party line..
BTW: Was there any womann on the 9/11 commission….. just curious…
And for the iraq commission, repubs chose Sandra but Hamilton did not choose a woman!
I tell you…I am finding more sexist, chauvinistics in the DNC than RNC!
They never defended that Chelsea pimp statement, BO’s “likeable enough comment”, never came to Geraldines aide……
That article is just bullshit. Who is the superdelegate giving this story? All they do is lie, lie and lie. they just bring things out of their ass and write non fiction.
hey mp – see my message before? since we never exchanged info in TX, can you join Hillbilly’s site, and then, we can start corresponding privately?
after this primary process – i think about the books that will be written – will be nice to see Erica Jong, and Deborah Tannen and others perhaps authoring books about “the new sexism and Democratic men.”
ininla/Hillbilly:
Ok..I will register at hillbilly’s site…if I have trouble, I will ask Admin on this site to help me out with details..
1950democrat Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Just a little anti-paranoia thought.
We’ve seen the same pattern over and over: a state whose primary is several weeks away polls high for Hillary; as the election approaches the margin narrows to very close; then on election day she ends up winning handily (as in NH, Ohio, etc), with Undecideds breaking for her.
This could just be a normal way for people to react over time:
“I know Hillary, she’s pretty good, I guess I’ll vote for her.”
“Okay, now Obama’s running ads, he looks interesting, I’ll try him.”
“Well, now that I really have to get serious — Hillary is the serious choice
————————————————
1950 democrat: wright on! true and well said. I would like to take these media scolds on that roller coaster they have in Las Vegas, without a seat belt because the sounds they make as the car goes up up up then down then up up up are distacting as hell, anger the blood (Sachel Page) and are sure as hell hard on the ears (almost as bad as listening to bambi speak on the issue of race).
Today I lost all the respect I had for Lee Hamilton. He is losing it to fall for this phoney. Con-men like Obama do pray on old people according to FBI.
They accuse Hillary of being an insider, but it’s BO who has all the insider endorsements.
What kind of “change” is this, anyway?
ok mp – giving hillbilly – a personal headsup that you will be registering, so there will no problems. we’re trying to tighten up the security there. I would not post any research until everything’s vetted, but it is a good place to Private Message.
Caroline, It sounds plausible to me. You don’t think Bill is upset about the media treatment of Hillary and Bill R.’s back-stabbing? if we are, he certainly is.
Check out our update video. Jon Stewart.
I think Bill Clinton is pissed as all hell.
Has anyone else seen this. Cheating by Obama at caucuses, etc. I am not sure what I think, but it is new information, different than reports of thuggery.
http://www.hillaryrodhamclinton2008.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-has-cheated-his-way-through.html
lol — Stewart uses a nice pic of Hillary, too
Concerning Lee Hamilton my comment was flippant but I do wonder about his judgment here which I have trusted in the past. And I do worry that perhaps it is a function of age to embrace Obama. And if it is age then I can relate, except here the handwriting on Obama is right there on the wall for anyone who takes the time to read it. The mere fact that a guy like this has been able to get this far in the race is a serious sell sign on the wisdom of the country I am afraid. But he will be stopped.
Hey everyone i foung this on the Hillary site,
Hillary Demonstration
Hillary Clinton Demonstration
When
Friday, April 11, 2008 at 8:00 AM – 12:00 PM
Where
rockefeller center
30 rockefeller plaza
new york city, NY 10112
General Area: at the rockefeller center
Description
Hillary Clinton Supporters Taking Action!!! Attn: All media organizations Re: Hillary Supporters Demonstration When: April 11th at 8:00am Where: Rockefeller plaza, NYC Why: We are all very passionate Hillary Clinton supporters that demand to be heard for Hillary! We refuse to stand by and watch this election become corrupt and unfair!! “It Takes A Village…” and we are Hillary’s Village! We have three main reasons for this demonstration: 1. We want the country to know we are fed up with the biased media coverage against our candidate Hillary Clinton! 2. We demand that the DNC allow Florida and Michigan to be seated. 3. We demand the media STOP saying Hillary should quit the race.Hillary Clinton Supporters Taking Action!!!
“five times he said to my face”
Wow! Looks like Richardson is a devious bastard. How can he ever expect to be trusted or respected after that?
People like Richardson are the lepers of politics.
Guys,
Al Gore is a super delegate right? And he’s indicated he’ll endorse someone eventually. I don’t know if he means the eventual nominee or if he’ll go with someone before that. My point is if he was going to endorse BO wouldn’t he have already done it by now?
Don’t miss the Jon Stewart video we just posted on the front page.
Here’s Lou Dobbs on Anti-Clinton bias:
filberst: exactamundo–the lepers of politics.
More Lou Dobbs on anti-Clinton Big Media bias:
If Gore endorses BO, it’ll be devastating.
Dobbs — holy cats!
He didn’t call Schneider, though, on his saying the anti-Clinton bias is due to the numbers of delegates. The MSM started piling on Hillary long before anybody voted.
Tiburones (I think) had repeated from the Rush show, and it’s just stuck with. Anybody who’s a good numbers person, can this be verified:
Hillary is only separated from BO by 700k in popular votes. He noted that 600k of that vote comes from Obama’s state Il and out of that 600k, 400k is from Cook County.
He said that that county is use to fixing races and the Clinton’s can’t mention it but they are aware and that is one of the reasons why they are staying in.
Admin can i have this link. I want to e-mail this.
Thanks
Neetabug, on Youtube videos you get the embed code and the URL link by clicking on the MENU button. You will see the link information in the second box marked URL.
Oh boy, Jane Fonda and John Kerry, what else could Obama need! LOL!!
The Lou Dobbs videos are long but “must see”. The Jon Stewart video is also a “must see”. We should get these out as much as possible.
Adm i have thanks
Thanks Admin> lou dobbs was the truth teller and the other two were to a unwillling to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And he called both of them on it and they looked like they had just swallowed a bottle of allum.
Ininla, here’s the IL results from the NY Times:
politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/IL.html
Ininla, sent you PM.
Very interesting numbers in IL.
Fonda endorsed Obama? Bummer. Fonda would’ve been helpful with anti-warriors and liberals.
Ininla
Here is the citation re: 60% of pop vote lead coming from Cook County, Il – only the most corrupt county in the US. I think this is huge news – most of pop vote lead from Cook County, most of pledged delegate lead from red caucus states…..does not a broad coalition make….
The Power of Cook County, Illinois
In the race for the most popular votes in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary contests, Sen. Barack Obama’s lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton is about 711,000 votes — not including Florida or Michigan — according to Real Clear Politics.
Of Sen. Obama’s 711,000 popular-vote lead, 650,000 — or more than 90% of the total margin — comes from Sen. Obama’s home state of Illinois, with 429,000 of that lead coming from his home base of Cook County.
That margin in Cook County represents almost 60% of Obama’s total lead nationwide.
Interestingly, Sen. Obama’s 429,000-vote margin in Cook County alone is larger than the winning margin of either candidate in any state.
Chicago Dems still know how to support their candidates better than anyone else in the country…
PM | 04.01.2008 – 1:20 pm | #
http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/7783-The-Power-of-Cook-County,-Illinois.html
karl rove interview (the world must be upside down when I’m quoting the devil): men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2008/04/karl-rove-likes.html
(excerpts)
Do you think Obama’s gotten a free ride from the press?
Yes.
How so?
I don’t think they hold him to the same standards. You know, look, his Web site is full of all kinds of proposals written by academics galore. But he’s not required to defend them. He’s not required to explain what it is he wants to do. Now I think that’s changing. I think, when you have an editorial in USA Today that says, in essence, Where’s the beef, what’s the substance? When reporters start asking him tough questions about his relationship with Tony Rezko—you know, what was the value of the lot? What was the price that you paid? How many fund-raisers did he do for you? How much money did he raise at those fund-raisers? When they start asking him those questions, then it starts to change. I mean, the kind of questions that have been routinely asked of other candidates—about their background and associations and involvements—have only recently begun to be asked of him.
I get the sense you respect Hillary more than you respect Obama.
Off the record?
Please don’t go off the record.
Off the record… [Yeah, it's good. Sorry.]
Damn! Now say that on the record.
No. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Let’s try again, then: on the record. I get the sense you respect her more than him.
Uh, I know her better than I know him. And I just, uh—she has been around public life a lot longer and has demonstrated, you know, more involvement than he has.
Daley delivered Cook County for his friend BO – that is how he ran up pop vote numbers while getting pledged delegates from corrupt caucuses. Quite a strategy.
Ann – thank you for that info re: cook county. So, it is correct.
BO’s pattern: cheating, then lying, cheating, lying, cheating, lying.
Just lovely.
Yeah filbertsf, maybe it’s good now, but certainly not in the general election. Fonda is a concrete block!
from Yahoo:
WALLINGFORD, Pa. – Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday he talks regularly with former vice president Al Gore and would consider putting him in a Cabinet-level position or higher.
I would,” Obama said. “Not only will I, but I will make a commitment that Al Gore will be at the table and play a central part in us figuring out how we solve this problem. He’s somebody I talk to on a regular basis. I’m already consulting with him in terms of these issues, but climate change is real. It is something we have to deal with now, not 10 years from now, not 20 years from now.”
I would,” Obama said. “Not only will I, but I will make a commitment that Al Gore will be at the table and play a central part in us figuring out how we solve this problem. He’s somebody I talk to on a regular basis. I’m already consulting with him in terms of these issues, but climate change is real. It is something we have to deal with now, not 10 years from now, not 20 years from now.”
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gore
Amazing, the race hasn’t even played out, and he is making statements like this.
I apologize, if I offend anyone, by posting this. I wasn’t happy to see this.
BO can say anything he wants about Gore.
I do wonder what would be higher than cabinet level position, though.
I doubt Gore would want to be VP again.
Michelle Obama is live streaming on CNN right now. She is SOOOO annoying.
“We like our isolation and division because it gives us an excuse not to do anything”
I think there will be some blow-back from this speech.
Are we going insult everyone who endorsed BO? I happen to like Fonda. When it was unpopular to be against the war or Bush, people like Fonda took their hit.
“Barack will always be the underdog.No matter how many states or delegates he gets. That’s how it works.”
This sucks.
hillbilly: who is her audience?
She’s in pennsylvania in pittsburgh. Mixed crowd.
wbboei, I have the list you wanted, email me at thebuzz at politwix.com
They are playing “signed, sealed, delivered…I’m yours”.
Terrifying thought!
they say that al gore has already endorsed the obama campaign! fox is running with this
Filberst: I welcome the fonda endoresemnet because it only hurts him. Then anti war crowd it already wiht him so it does him no good there. Where it kill him is with white male reagan democrats in places like Pennsylvania to whom she will always be Hanoi Jane.
confloyd – I think this propaganda. Let’s see if this is true.
wbboei,
Diva sent me the uncommited SD list a couple of weeks ago. email me at hilary hawke @ mhcable dot com and I’ll send it.
FWIW, Rush said some Italian group, like the Sons of the Italian Elks or something, are getting ready to protest the ‘garlic nose controversy.
hehehe
well, i am getting massively irritated at the media and the bots! I think i am going to have to quit following this so closely!
BO should work to reduce global warming by not releasing so much hot air.
I’ll wait to hear from Gore about Gore.
Gore was on Sixty Minutes this weekend, and he said, he would remain neutral. Hopefully, this is just hot air from the media.
confloyd,
Where did you hear this?????????
Ann-
please email me that superd list!!!! texan4hillary@gmail.com. if someone here has this email it please
confolyd-im an alternate!!!
Taylor marsh poster said that Elizabeth Edwards was on Morning Joe this morning; she also wrote a guest blog for thinkprogress on healthcare, so I’d rather have the rumors that Elizabeth or both Edwards may be endorsing Hillary soon than any BS about Gore.
basil9, I just heard it on Fox with Shepherd Smith about 10 minutes ago. They just came on to repudiate the claim. Shepherd just apologized for the boo-boo!
confloyd,
I checked Foxnews politics page and didn’t see that story.
Here’s an interesting analysis by Emanuel Cleaver about how a BO win could stifle racial progress in the US. i don’t agree with some of his arguments but he does present an interesting perspective. (for those who are interested.)
elections.foxnews.com/category/top-story/
I haven’t read the story, but BO can stifle racial progress, by belonging to a church filled with ethnic hatred, separatism, and hatred of the U.S. By association with this church, he lends his tacit approval for the ministry.
Texan4Hillary are you an alternate? I am a delegate, maybe we can meet each other at the convention, I have never been, so it will be a new experience for me. I understand we are unable to change our vote now? I don’t want to, but I sure want to make sure that I don’t see this at the convention!
confloyd, are you playing mind games? First you say Fox reports Gore endorsed BO; then seconds later you say Shepard admits it isn’t true.
All this at the same time or seconds apart?
texan,
i just sent it but am having major problems with my emails going through especially when I link from here.
let me know if you got it.
who is this idiot michelle on Fox, she is an out an out liar!!
Filbert, no one is playing mind games except Fox new. Shepherd said Gore endorsed the Obama campaign and then came on just before the program was over and said he was wrong about that and that Gore has not endorsed anyone. I was giving you a play by play, SORRY!!!
birdgal,
You’ve got THAT right!
But Cleaver did have some excellent points, things that HE can say coz he’s AA and that non-AA people would be crucified for.
ininla:
i have registered on hillbilly’s site….i am trying to figure my way around there so that we can share info!
Shep is a SHLEPP!!!!!!
mp, i’ll send you an email via hillbilly’s site.
@texan,
done
filberst: concerning Fonda there is a profound difference between taking a hit as you say and sitting on a North Viet Namese anti-aircraft gun with a helmut on posing for an enemy propaganda photo. Yes? No? Maybe?
I can assure you my friend that is the image many people carry around in their heads today if they lived through that era and served their country or lost friends-unless they have a thing for her.
But in the final analysis it isnt what you think or I think about it that matters its what the voters think about it that counts. You can sweat out this endorsement if you like but I will not join you.
Cleaver getting played on Hannity. It is a story.
He’s saying that white Americans will vote for him whether or not he’s qualified, or ready, just because he’s AA.
FWIW,
No more TV for me! I rented Sweeny Todd and Borat today! All my news is from here. (and talk radio)
Basil9 – you and I both. I’m starting to rent movies to fill my time and listen to CDs in the car.
Here’s a good diary comment started on Easter sorting out the Bosnia landing/s.
h t t p : / / http://www.talkleft.com/comments/2008/3/23/14293/1085/131
noquarterusa.net had good info also around Easter, from ex-military people
linfar Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 pm
PM, you can find the contact addys for all 3 moderators of mydd at the bottom of the home page under contact us.
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Lin, thanks. I had looked everywhere but somehow I had missed that. Anyway, I sent those bozos emails to delete my account. I no longer have an interest in participating with anybody who uses censorship. Told them to change the name of their site.
birdgal Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:25 pm
from Yahoo:
WALLINGFORD, Pa. – [....] I’m already consulting with him in terms of these issues, but climate change is real.
But Gore called a conference on that a few weeks ago and all the candidates showed up except Obama.
Nothing can get your mind off election stuff better than Sondheim unless it’s Italian opera.
It’s not that I watch that much TV but I’ve gotten into the habit over the years of LISTENING to the news, usually CNN or MSNBC (that was PRE-nomination) and it’s a habit that has been hard to break.
It’s also been devastating to realize just how biased and unreliable and downright false the media is. Ironically, since I’ve started listening to Rush (the guy IS pretty d@mn funny)I have gotten perspective on how the Repubs have felt about the Drive-by Media. In fact, Rush has come out and SAID it, “Now the left knows how We’ve felt.”
The April 16 debate in Philadelphia (2 weeks away) on ABC will a scorcher. Charles Gibson and Stephanopoulos will be hosting. Hillary will show her stuff there – again. All Obama’s ads will be forgotten when Hillary “bowls him over”.
http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/102450.htm
1950: Surprise, surprise, full of hot air and s*** as usual. Gore has probably discussed global warming with all the candidates, including Hillary (I hope). She did attend that meeting?
Admin, all,
Should i post the SD list here?
Great move by Hillary today!
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Clinton, Obama focus on economy; McCain touts his years at Naval Academy
By Johanna Neuman and Maeve Reston
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
12:08 PM PDT, April 2, 2008
WASHINGTON — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton promised a series of tax incentives today to encourage U.S. companies not to ship jobs overseas, pledging $7 billion to encourage green technology, research and what she called “in-sourcing” of American jobs.
“We reward companies like Exxon-Mobil who park $56 billion in profits overseas because they don’t have to pay a dime in U.S. taxes on those profits,” Clinton said while hosting a jobs summit in Pittsburgh. “And we’re using your tax dollars to reward companies that ship your jobs overseas.”
Calling for $500 million annually in investments to spur high-wage jobs in clean energy manufacturing technologies and create 5 million jobs in 10 years, the New York senator said her “in-sourcing” agenda would restore jobs lost to a global marketplace.
“Our government should get out of the business of rewarding companies for shipping jobs overseas, and get back into the business of rewarding companies that create good, high-wage jobs — with good benefits — right here in America.”
With upcoming primaries in states such as Pennsylvania (April 22), Indiana (May 6) and Kentucky (May 20) that have been hard-hit by losses in the manufacturing sector, Clinton rival Barack Obama also addressed the faltering economy in a campaign appearance today.
linfar Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pm
1950 democrat, I am with you on that. Bigtime. We need to get our own site going.
Yes, it’s ridiculous to spend half our time just trying to deal with the bias and the bots at places like HuffPo.
So how do we DO it? I’m not high techy enough.
filberst: I am sorry but you struck an old nerve. And hopefully Fondas endorsement will strike the same nerve with voters.
BTW, we’ve been watching Battlestar Galactica marathon pre Friday’s return show. There’s a woman president there. Good alternative from the Science Fiction on MSNBC and elsewhere.
Basil – I do not recommend posting SD list. Go to Hillbilly’s site, and email each person on the Profile whom you trust.
Boy, Obama did not even attend the meeting on Global warming with Al Gore! That is simply amazing, he has a problem with meetings doesn’t he? He can’t even call a meeting either, even when he is the commitee chair. Simply amazing! He is nothing but a bag of wind!!
Inninla,
Thanks for the feedback. That’s what I was thinking, too.
I also rented “Truth is Stranger than Fiction.”
What have you been watching?
(I may have to find the original Manchurian Candidate)
Filbertsf, I like Jane Fonda and I always have. She is a great actress and a not so great politician! I don’t hold that Hanoi trip over her, and I am of the vietnam era, some of my old friends were killed or injured there. It was a horrible time and alot of people tried to stop the war and some of it backfired on them(fonda, Kerry and etc). The republicans will be all over this endorsement in the General, especially with McCain(vietnam war hero)as their nominee!
wbboei, ya just gotta let it go. It’s been over 30 years. Some people just can’t let a grudge go. She didn’t start the war and she didn’t kill one damn person. She took a damn picture. Not a wise move, she’s just a celebrity. I think people from that era just want someone to blame for all the death and casualties.
I remember last year a veteran went to Fonda’s book signing and spat on her.
After 30 years people are still hounding her. Where’s the hounding for Kissinger? Where’s the spitting?
I don’t think endorsements are all that important — maybe except for Gore (but that’s a big maybe). It’s a game now. It’s like when finding out who is a fan what what baseball team. You’re not going to switch to the team your favorite person likes, but it’s interesting to know who they support.
Shephard Smith can aplogize but that shoud not end the inquiry. I am more interested in the genesis of that story. I begint wonder whether someone planted it and they simply failed to vet it before they took it live. The reason I suspect something like that is because it is not the kind of thing Smith would make up out of thin air and there has been more disinformation in this campaign from the obama crowd than I can remember since perhaps the viet nam war.
Filbersf, I think people feel they can spit on her because she a woman, had this had been done by a man you would not see anyone spitting on him! Just another thing people feel they can do to a woman!
Look at this daily drip of endorsements as a sign to STIFLE the clinton supporters!
So it is up to us! We need to remain strong and united..that is our purpose.
Things will get tougher for our girl in the next 2-3 weeks than ever before…so let us all be there for her!
We need our own loyalists and strategist!
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I WILL NOT ACCEPT BO fromn the DNC….if they really want to push our gal out then I will ask them for other alternatives but BO NEVER!
PLEASE Don’t post SD list………it should only be shared with trusted sources. Takes time to put together.
lninla Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Ann – thank you for that info re: cook county. So, it is correct.
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Ininla, there are more dubious numbers as I posted earlier. Cook county had 1.3 million registered voters (all). and only 42% of them voted in this primary, which makes it 546,000 votes. But Obama’s LEAD alone is 429,000. Something does not add up.
It’s funny how all the people who actually started the Vietnam War and were really responsible never had to apologize.
The one person they hound, demand and ostracize for the Vietnam war after 30 years is a civilian celebrity. That’s priority for you!
wbboei,
I agree the source of the story should be tracked down but probably won’t.
Just like Wright and Ayers and Rezko and the NOI and the New BPP’s and the Million-Man March weren’t investigated, either.
My take is it’s probably one of those eager little Obamabots way down the food chain who managed to slip the story in, either form their own initiative or, more likely, following the orders from someone higher up.
Basil – I watched The Candidate, The War Room (about Bill Clintons 1992 campaign)…and then Elizabeth because I wanted to see a strong female ruler.
1950democrat Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
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Did you allude to a different video of Bosnia situation (other than the one we all have seen with the little girl?) Your post seem to say that. I am curious if there are more videos. I tried to ask you this on another thread.
pm,
i HATE to throw BO a bone, but didn’t he get 90% of the AA vote in several states? What’s the racial breakdown in Cook County? Do you know?
pm (by the way, if no one got back to you – it otherwise means Private Message).
That is dubious. Everything about BO is cheating. I mean, did he and Axelrod plan this out – now we’re going to rig Cook County, now we’re going to game the Iowa caucuses, and this caucus and that caucus, and then we’re going to astroturf the internet, so we can affect the media, and then we’re going to stiff arm the FEC investigations into campaign financing…blah, blah, blah.
Unbelievable.
Basil, my point is the overall votes is 546,000 which includes both Repubs and Dems (I think). But his LEAD (not the absolute vote count) is itself 429,000. I could not find from a google search the split on Repub and Dem split in Cook county, but the number 1.3 million registered voters and 42% voting in the primary is from a regular source (can’t find the url for it now).
Ann,
I won’t. Inninla said the same thing.
Inninla, the Cate Blanchett version? Loved that. I’m interested in ‘The War Room’ but never got around to watching it. Isn’t it loooooong???
The Candidate look’s good.
Admin,
Battlestar Gallatica, hey!
Ininla, ok Private Message, I got it. did scratch my head a few times thinking what that was.
pm,
yes, I understand what you’re saying. i couple of other people posted links to that info, as well. i agree it’s highly suspect and the more I learn about BO’s rigging of Chicago campaigns, especially the Alice Palmer roadshow, the more it seems clear those are the same tactics he and Axelrod are using here.
Later I’ll do some searches and try to find out the demographics of Cook County. And regardless, if 3/4’s of his supposed popular vote LEAD are from his home county in his home state . . . . and of course no one is reporting it.
d stateLE
Inninla,
I also read a similar strategy was used in taking his name off the Michigan Ballot; something about affecting the iowa vote . . . it may have been Admin who posted all that stuff yesterday – I’m getting confused with info-overload.
basil9 wrote:
I’m interested in ‘The War Room’ but never got around to watching it. Isn’t it loooooong???
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Average movie length — maybe 90 minutes? It’s the best political documentary ever made. I think it’s on YouTube, broken up into segments. If you’re a Clinton supporter, it’s a must-see.
basil, ininla, ann..
Not since 1952 have Cook County voters come out for a primary election in such high percentages — until now, said County Clerk David Orr. On Tuesday, 42 percent of the record 1.3 million registered voters turned up, Orr said.
from http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=129977
Throughout suburban Cook County, 76 percent of voters cast Democratic ballots and 23 percent cast Republican. Fewer than 1 percent cast Green Party ballots.
from http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=162560
May be realpolitics site may have county by county numbers for both of them?
pm,
CNN has county by county numbers for each state that has voted. It is very interesting data…..like, example, BO won only 4 counties out of 115 in MO. Go look at MO, TX and OH. Stunning.
HillBilly, Who said Obama is still an underdog? He’s obviously the establishment candidate.
@paula,
MO said it today….implying that he’s the underdog because he’s black.
Fox news just showed film footage of obama refusing to take a picture with a guy in a italian district……then he say’s “you’re wearing me down” and agrees to take the picture after this guy begs and begs and begs then obama says ” i won’t be smiling”!!!
un F’n believable!! and megan kelly on fox is making excuses for obama, saying i can totally understand he i am sure is bombarded with this all the time
i don’t know who is more pukey the media or bama??
Yes, Ann, will the race-baiting ever end with the Obamas?
There was Clinton campaign conference call at 3:30 today. Anyone know what was said?
the media
obam is a tool
BTW, I believe the stuff about Obama busing in voters because he did that in Iowa. He knows he can get away with it because the MSM loves him.
@hill,
No. It is a core part of their strategy…..
win in caucus states that will never go democrat in Nov. and that Clinton has not focused on while b. running up the score in pop vote in states with high AA pop.
Admin!
I love Battlestar Galactica! And I have been saying the parallels between Roslin v Baltar and Clinton v Obama are amazing! Baltar is seen as the messiah promising hope and change and unseating the experienced and hard working woman president. In the end when he takes office he ends up being a huge loser and a Cylon collaborator! It amazing.
BUT, the parellels will stop after the PA primary when Hillary takes charge of the nomination and goes on to win the presidency.
Filberst: with all due respect I dont think you know enough about me and my life experiences to offer any opinion on what I should or should not give up on. Can we at least agree on that much?
If so then lets get back to the original point which is that Hanoi Jane has endored Bamb. How does that affect us?
Let us begin with Pennsylvnians, and what we know about them. One thing we know is that it has sent alot of its sons and daughters into the military. We also know is that the average age is higher than most states. And that means is that there are alot of people who lived through the Viet Nam War.
That being the case, it is not unlikely that many of them would view this endorsement as I do which is to say in negative terms. Even if they were not enjoying the hospitality of the Hanoi Hilton like McCain, Johnson and Stockton were while Fonda was perched that artillary gun. BTW this does not mean they would spit in her face. It means they would perceive Fonda’s endorement as another example of Baracks lack of patriotism along with his refusal to salute the flag, wear the pin, MO comments. In that case you should be happy.
But let us assume I am wrong. Lets assume there is a Jane Fonda fan club hidden some place in Lancaster County in the root cellar of some Amaishmans house. And lets assume while that same Amiaishman is reading the Bible by candlelight each night, he cannot get his mind off this election anymore than you and I can. Well then in that case I guess this endorsement is big trouble and we can both be miserable. The question then becomes what should we do about it besides whine?
want to know something really frustrating….
If repubs had the dem rules, McCain would not be the candidate yet
if dems had repub rules, HRC would be the dem nominee right now
true that, Ann.
Bill Clinton said the same thing on the Greta show.
pm Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
1950democrat Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
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Did you allude to a different video of Bosnia situation (other than the one we all have seen with the little girl?) Your post seem to say that. I am curious if there are more videos. I tried to ask you this on another thread.
I’m sorry, I haven’t been seeing all the posts lately. I was out all day yesterday.
I was vague about the video because I don’t know if there was more than one. My system doesn’t handle videos well. I was referring to one that had a picture of hillary in profile with a padded jacket in front of troops with padded armor and helmets LOOKING AWAY FROM HER, ie watching for attacks. I didn’t see it play. Maybe this was a still shot from a different part of the same video??? I think it was posted at noquarterusa.net Easter or within a day or two. I think I’ve seen it posted elsewhere.
Maybe different people are posting different clips from the same video.
god, I hope that footage of him being a jerk gets played all over. It’s about time people find out what an arrogant SOB he is.
What footage, Ann? Did I miss something?
Ronald Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Admin!
I love Battlestar Galactica! And I have been saying the parallels between Roslin v Baltar and Clinton v Obama are amazing! Baltar is seen as the messiah promising hope and change and unseating the experienced and hard working woman president.
Hmmmm. I’ve been thinking Palmer and Ferraro and Hillary and his grandmother weren’t enough to really claim a pattern…. But when did that air, and how old was Obama at the time, and where was he in his Search for Identity(tm)?
Back after bird duty.
With all the media clamoring for HRC to get out of the race, when she and BO are only separated by 1% of the vote and there are still 10 primaries left, not to mention Florida and Michigan, imagine what would happen if the situation were reversed and it was BO trailing by 1%.
Anyone who urged him to concede would be a racist.
PM, interesting information. Someone will, no doubt, eventually connect the dots and do an expose, long after the 2008 election is over.
Where are Dot, Artiste and Idunn?
Didn’t see it…..@dija mentioned it above.
djia Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Fox news just showed film footage of obama refusing to take a picture with a guy in a italian district……then he say’s “you’re wearing me down” and agrees to take the picture after this guy begs and begs and begs then obama says ” i won’t be smiling”!!!
un F’n believable!! and megan kelly on fox is making excuses for obama, saying i can totally understand he i am sure is bombarded with this all the time
i don’t know who is more pukey the media or bama??
what video of obama beign an sob? i hope the campaign pushes the new polls today bigtime. obama cannot win th egeneral. 25pct fo whites will defect if hill isnt out nom. do the sds care? they better quick
HillBillyLover – this footage entitled: “Obama Has Testy Exchange In Philadelphia” cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/02/politics/fromtheroad/entry3989652.shtml
Basil9 – I think Artiste might be working on FL march, Idunn has been recovering from brochitis and has family in town, I suspect Dot is busy phonebanking and celebrating her lotto win.
(gosh, I spend a lot of time on this site)
Wbboei,
‘And lets assume while that same Amiaishman is reading the Bible by candlelight each night, he cannot get his mind off this election anymore than you and I can. Well then in that case I guess this endorsement is big trouble and we can both be miserable.”
JEEEZUS!!!! Would you pleeze WARN us when you post stuff like that!
And I’d finally cleaned up the keyboard, monitor and desk after several similar Idunn-induced laughing fits.
The Obama snubbing a voter video who wants a picture is here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4575420
Thanks lininla.
Great,,,,,,,,,,it’s on fox, abc and cbs. It is just on the websites or are they covering on broadcasts as well?
Inninla,
You’re not alone!
BTW, about the italian with BO photo – I posted way up thread that some group like the sons of the italian Elks or something (if there is such an organization – but you know what i mean – like the Knights of Columbus) is organizing a protest to the “Garlic Nose” comments. hehehehe
ADMIN!
KUDOS to you! You are on the case! i just checked that video and boy does BO come off looking like a complete a$$wipe!
The guy looks italian. Wonder if he was planted by the Sons of the Italian Elks so they can compare BO’s schnozz with their own garlic noses?
Wow, the gov of MI is pushing to get new vote! If they don’t do it, the DNC and Obama will look really bad.
I think BO and the media are just pulling out one thing after another, when needed, to confuse and demoralize. Remember when Ferraro wrote a good piece (NYT?) about the superdelegates — and then almost immediately they attacked a TWO WEEK OLD quote of her saying being Black had helped Obama. WAsn’t it Spritzer also who had defended the Supers –and then suddenly his prostitute scandal became big hews.
Obama got in trouble about Wright, and almost immedately they were all attacking Hillary’s quote about sniper fire — how old was it?
Run in #1: outside the first shop, on the way in
Man: Senator can I have a quick picture with you.
(Obama has his arm on the guys arm in a very nice way, like he does when he shakes peoples hand) but Obama refuses to take a picture and walks away.)
Man: It will take you two seconds. Don’t cram me, I’m not doing anything to anybody. Jesus.
Run in #2: after the first shop
Man: “Senator can I get a picture with you?”
Obama: (slightly annoyed) “You are wearing me out, brother.”
Man: “I got one with [Clinton] and I got one with McCain, come on Senator that’[s] not right.”
Run in #3: in the street
Man: “Senator, can I please, a quick one?
Obama: (very annoyed) No, you know what no.
Man: Can I just say something to you real fast.
Obama: Yeah you can.
Man: I had one with [Clinton] had one with [McCain].
Obama: I am sure you do. Because when I was trying to talk to some kids – and I know look–
Man: No, my wife is a school teacher and she was there, she had to go back and that wasn’t right what wont you just take a picture with me, I’m not asking you for a autograph — its for my family.
Obama: Yea well whatever. Just take it. I won’t be smiling. Because you’re wearing me out. ….No no, you’ve been really rude about it. Just take a shot.
Obama and the man did not take a shot, the man was still arguing and the secret service stepped in (non confrontationally), just putting a hand between him and Obama.
Secret service: That’s it.
Man: No I’m good. All I want is a picture that’s it.
Basil – its the Sons of Italy. Every Italian I know (and that’s a significant amount) belongs to a SOI lodge.
Paesanos!
Is it making on the evening broadcast or just web sites?
ADMIN,
‘Obama: (slightly annoyed) “You are wearing me out, brother.”
And the TONE of voice he used was Soooooo Ghetto.
So, did the guy ever get that picture? I couldn’t tell. The garlic Noses are gonna have a FIT about this. hehehehe
@basil,
he got the picture after more words were exchanged.
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but I’m getting sick of being called lower income whites, or whites that make less than 50,000 a year or uneducated whites, how about you?
should at least make the local news in PA I hope.
@confloyd,
yes. I am none-of-the-above. Although I am a “typical white person…..”
Tiny Dancer!
i KNEW I got it right! Anyway, the Sons of italy are starting a petition against Wright and, through association I guess, BO. I heard a sound clip from one of the initiators on Rush.
This is toooo delicious.
They HAD to have planted that guy there. The incident DID take place in an italian neighborhood somewhere in PA, right? I spent 8 years working in Soprano-Land and I became REAL familiar with the italian Code of Honor.
Hey everyone! I’m in the midst of a feline crisis .. my little handicapped furry friend has had a uti for about 3 weeks and today has been a day of worry, worry, worry. I’ve had to change her food and she is also on oral antibiotics (damn pain to give a clawing cat dropper full of meds) and today I decided since she hadn’t ate for a couple days it was time to start my own thing. I broke open the canned tuna and she’s ate about a whole can, I’m using a 40cc plunger and forcing water down her and her urine is looking less bloody.
I had this happen to a neutered cat of mine about 2 years ago and they ended up taking his penis off and turning him to female.
My vet says the uti’s are not as common in female but she has a back leg amputated and she pulls herself rather than able to walk, he says this is most likely a contributor .. sigh..sigh…sigh
Me and my animals, but I love them.
I’ve also had a real bad day, we are trying to sell our house and it is not going so well. We’ve had 2 offers, its been on the market 2 months but they are not offers that would yield us agreat deal of profit. We could come out but not great. I want to take it and move out of here but hubby insists on staying for better offer. I’m starting to resent here cause we are getting older and he is getting sicker and we need a much smaller place.
I’ve been ready to cry all day .. haven’t done one thing for the campaign today and I feel bad about it. I will try to make up even more phonebanking tomorrow.
Sorry to be a downer but I need cheering up.
BTW, I still think Hillary is gonna win. Hear that MissWonderWomanMichelleObamabotusilm was back at her trashing America again and the little faux paux of not wanting to take that picture. It reveals the fact the he thinks he is too good to get down on little people territory.
The Al Gore thing is laughable .. I just wish Al would have the guts to publish the fact that Obama didn’t show up for the global meeting.
Elizabeth Edwards is real near endorsing Hillary .. I heard it in her voice this morning. JMHO but I felt it.
Huh?? Is someone BLAMING Jane Fonda for starting the Viet Nam war? She wanted to stop it, she was protesting it.
texan4hillary,
Which poll?
BTW, didya get my email with SD list?
Don’t be down, Dot. I have some kitty trouble myself, but you know they do have 9 lives! At least it looks like MI is trying to get a new primary. Bless that Governor for coming out loud about this! I hope you feel better soon…
confloyd,
or blue-collar whites, garlic-nosed whites, typical whites, freckled whites, red-faced whites, trailor-park whites, country-line dancing whites, rhythmless whites.
Anyone care to add to the list?
got the list-go to mydd its a front page analysis on the poll and the internals. hillary would get the most white vote for a dem since lbj. yet bambi got 2 more sds today.
Confloyd: I started to write a post refuting your suggestion that the vet spit on Fonda because of her gender, and by the time it was finished I decided you are probably right. If Fonda had been a he then the vet probably would have punched his lights out for what she did. But social customs being what they are he was constrained to not use physical force. Its hard for anyone who never lived through it to understand the depth of those emotions and most people dont talk about them. I was speaking with a friend of mine the other day who is a strong Hillary supporter and has spent his life as a concilliator, mediatior and arbitrator. And I happened to ask him what he would do if he saw Chris Matthews and with God as my witness he told me he would split in his fact. And the reason he would do that is to get tweetie to throw the first punch. Once again, we are all constrained by social custom when we express or emotions. But its too late to renounce all this.
Confloyd, that low income older white women is what kills me. How f-ing dismissive. Most women that fit that category have been through more shit in life than they every will imagine.
wait-is this bambi vid goign to be on the actual news? i better tune in
every=ever
I wonder if that faux pas about Gore was an attempt to get him to declare…
@texan,
Don’t think Hamilton is an SD.
yes, even faux pas are calculated
Anyone know how radio interview with Parr went this am?
hey all, i come and go a bit during the day here , so if i don’t answer you right away i will eventually
I first heard about this photo snobbery by bambi today on Hannity
then on fox news they (megan kelly and that other guy) showed the clip
megan kelly of course was making excuses for obama’s rudeness (did ya notice how many times obama told the guy he was being rude?)
i am sure it will be played alot tonight
Dot,
Glad kitty is better. One of my parrots had a beak injury a couple of weeks ago after she attacked me coz i was too close to her ‘nesting’ site and she suddenly flew up out of nowhere and tried to protect her ‘nest” (Underneath a chest of drawers). I was so startled I instinctively raised my arm to fend her off and she ricocheted against that and into the wall and then I was on the phone for hours trying to find an avian vet up here in the mountains. She survived and is still nesting and just as grumpy and feisty as ever. Can’t wait until nesting season is over.
I understand about the house thing. The market has tanked. I was lucky to get out just before the subprime shIt hit the fan. Hope your hubby’s feeling better.
I’ve even heard them say poor whites and working class whites, well I guess I am a working class white because I do work unlike the Latte Liberals running this election!
About the Michigan governor; wasn’t there some scandal today about her husband being caught with a $150 hooker?
Or was that the Michigan Senator?
basil it was the MI senators husband debbie something (the one who has been working hard for a MI revote with Hillary)
Most of the Hillary supporters here in Palm Beach County are retired North Easterners who are far form being lower income. The other group , contrary to the rest of the country, are affluent baby boomers like myself who do not trust Obama one bit when it comes to supporting Israel. President Clinton stated to us that if he were an American Jew he certainly would be concerned about what OB’s policy towards israel will be. It is infuriating to me that my congressman, Wexler, is the head of the Florida campaign for Obama. I sent him a letter and he sent what appeared to be a boiler plate response on how Obama is good for Israel. I would be glad to post it if anyone is interested.
No, the Governer is a woman.
djia,
I heard about it – guess where – on Rush. Man, what is it with dems and sex scandals???? *LOL*
Just wish some of HWNSNBS’s would pop up.
hopefully this video gets traction-wasnt on the big 3 tonight
All I can say is BO better stop pissing off the Paesanos! First Gerry, then the Garlic Noses, then the Sons of Italy and now this Italian guy who’s wife is a teacher and works with little kids?
hehehehe.
Hi everyone – this site came highly recommended – I look forward to participating with you
Anyone know what % of the democratic populus are Italian descent?
Hillbilly!
LMAO!
That’s a question for Tiny Dancer.
Good evening Hillary Fans
hillbilly, i reregistered at your site. email wvg
Hello all – looking forward to participating with you
Evening Hillary supporters!
Ann, He is not!
welcome fdrjim
Hi all. Although that “temper” video is not real flattering for Bambi, I don’t know if it will get traction. Apparently the guy cut in front while Bambi was trying to talk to some kids.
I had Hardball on for a few minutes and turned it off when the WHOLE ROOM said they were for BO! What a crock!
Welcome to fdrjim and norma
what i want to know is “how” did obama know this guy only wanted the photo for “ebay”? why would that matter??
Hi Dot – one of the things that infuriates me most is the notion of a popular vote – Speaker Pelosi, in my mind, along with BO, do not display leadership qualities. A leader stands up for the rights of their constituents – and to espouse the idea of popular vote but discount mine along with the other 1.76 million Floridians is truly baffling and utterly simplistic.
@djia – that’s a good question
Lou Dobbs tonight……re: howard dean, will the DNC continue to disenfranchise the MI and Fl voters??
Ind Ben
I thought so
Norma, most of us are boycotting MSNBC. Bad for our health.
so did the whole MSNBC crew chime in or did they just once again have a stacked panel. They have no journalist credibility
Hey Birdgal! Do you have have birds?
Birdgal – good to meet you -
fdrjim – I too wonder how the popular vote will play out in MI/FL. They simply cannot turn the people who voted for Hillary into ghosts.
Ben,
I think the kids came on later in the video and were obviously BO’s poorly improvised excuse for his own rudeness.
We know it won’t get mentioned on BM but I’m sure Rush is gonna have a feield day with it tomorrow.
Maybe, if we’re really lucky, Gerry will be on Fox tonight and they’ll ask her about it.
In the meantime, in the past 3 months BO has managed to tick off Jewish voters, italaina voters, typical white voters, Iitalian voters, women voters, Indian voters (from before with the Pakistan remarks)
Maybe someone who’s good with statistics can figure out the number of nationalities in the US, how many he could offend by Convention (5 months from now) and the probability of tat affecting the nomination.
I wish I were a fly on the wall when Al Gore heard Obama’s comments that he would consider Gore for a cabinet position.
Gore has more experience and knowledge than Obama can ever hope of having.
Dot,
Is Pelosi back to espousing the idea of the popular vote as ‘will of the people’ for the SDs? Long ago she was for it (alon with Moveon and others of BO’s camp), then she was for delegate count instead, now back to popular vote, I hope?
Old quotes at http://www.ironmyvote.com/superdelegates-follow.htm
Folks We Need To Organize Another Money Bomb!
I’ve asked admin and Okie Atty both to do what they did before and no response.
Hillary was only a little shy of Obama this month and I think we can send her over her amount this next month if we really, really do money bomb and advertise it like we did before.
The more $ the better for her.
Dot….Okie is a friend. I have exchanged a few emails with her today and need to contact her again. I’ll let her know.
Admin..
You may want to use this article for part of tomorrow’s editorial.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/3/28/projection-clinton-wins-popular-vote-obama-wins-delegate-count.html
Every little bit helps *snap* people back to reality.
Mrs. S.
I Ben – that’s what we are fighting for now – representation – how can the DNC even contemplate nominating a candidate for president without representing the ENTIRE United States – are rules really more important than the voices of millions? Sound autocratic to me.
HillbillyLover, I get so mad when I hear how Hillary supporters are categorized!
I would love to tell them that, I am a proud white woman who raised 3 tax paying citizens under much deress. I got my education the hard way, I work for it. My husband was diagnosed with MS and couldn’t work. When my youngest daughter was 3 I went to xray school and was at the top of my class. I had such high grades coupled with a financial need, I was awarded the highest scholorship for that program. I went to school all day 8am to 4pm and went to work at the hospital from 5pm to 11pm. I then took call 3 times a week from 11p to 7 am. Most nights I lived on less than 3 hrs sleep. Some of my friends at church would see me driving and they swore I looked asleep at the wheel so they immediately prayed that I would make it home safely. I did that 20 years ago and now my husband is in very bad shape and I also care for my 85 year old father. I resent that the media and BO callz me a working class white!! I say Hell yes and I’m proud of it!!
@dot48, they had the usual, Rachel Maddow and mealy-mouthed Eugene Robinson, along with Chuck Todd and Tony Blankley. They “did” discuss the new Quin. poll that shows Hillary running better than Bambi against McCain in the crucial swing states. They noted however that Bambi is trying to reshape the map by going after Colorado, Virginia and some other places. They also seemed to give up on Bambi ever winning Reagan Democrats – and concluded that he will reshape the map by getting huge turnout from young and AA’s, and drawing independents. Not a good GE strategy if you ask me. In Ohio, Texas and even Mississippi, the young turnout and AA turnout was not that great. And I think Wright has killed him with Independents. But these people are really trying hard to “not” admit that Hillary is the stronger GE candidate.
God must be hearing my prayers..we just got a call from a looker of our house .. he’s been here twice and we told him we’d dropped the price a bit … he was looking at our house video tour on the internet as he called us. Anyone who prays, please pray for this for me, it’s real important because my husband is very ill and I cannot keep the place up and we can’t afford to hire the number of people to do it and do it right.
He’s coming back up from Florida in the next couple weeks. This gives me encouragement to get outside the next few days and get it even more spruced it. I haven’t deep spring cleaned cause I don’t want to do it but carpet cleaning definitely next week.
norma and fdrjim: I am a bird watcher. I don’t have any birds, because I think, my 4 cats would have something to say about that.
fdrjim – what’s even worse, it appears that the plan all along was to hurt Hillary and benefit Bambi. Stripping a state of ALL delegates is a Draconian measure that is pretty unprecedented. You won’t find much love for Howard Dean or Donna Brazile on this site
Indie Ben – someone on the board brings up that it took Howard Dean’s scream 6 weeks before his candidacy flopped for good.
Rev Wright’s might still be sinking in. Rachel Maddow et al sounds like they’re in their Denial and Bargaining stages of grief:
STAGES OF GRIEF
Denial
Bargaining
Anger
Despair
Acceptance
I just don’t think you’ll see the young enthusiastic stick around come November .. right now for them it’s beating the bitch Clinton .. they’ll be onto another fad by November.
LOL Birdgal…I know how that is!
@Ben – Draconian?? I could understand that but this goes beyond – it’s an infantile display of authoritative abuse and amounts to nothing more than a “hissy” fit!!!
more than a hissy fit. It is pure manipulation and rigging of the election, to suit one branch of the democratic party.
You know what I was just thinking, in most primaries candidates don’t campaign in every state. Certainly in the last primary they did not, and Hill did not campaign in several of the small states in this one, so big deal? The votes still count.
Mrs. Smith,
Great article. Thanks for posting.
Confloyd, I hear you. That is exactly what I mean. It really does seem like there are two americas. John Edwards was right about that. I know it pissed a lot of people off when he used to say it, but acting like the problem of the haves and have nots doesn’t exist is just burying your head in the sand.
Does anyone know a state Bambi won but did not campaign in?
I seem to recall that Lee Hamilton is with a foreign policy think tank on east coast mihgt be Woodrow Wilson @ Princeton or dc. That suggests to me that he is not fulltime in Indiana at this point and is not a superdelegate–but I am not sure.
Basil- the one thing I forgot to mention in that hypothetical trip through Lancaster County was shoo fly pie, and dandilion wine–definitely an acquired taste.
Admin
Just in case my last post gets tossed into the spam filter. I put in a great linked article for Hillary you may be interested in using tomorrow..
Mrs. S.
confloyd,
Congrats to you for getting through a really tough time. I hope your hubby is better.
I know how you feel about the thinly veiled insults. I’m one of 9 kids from a poor family and have been on my own since I was 17. never got a penny from anyone that I didn’t earn myself. Put myself through college, grad school and half-way through a PhD program in musicology. 20 years later, i FINALLY paid off my student loans.
@lninla Yep. This is why they are all so scared of Pennsylvania. How is it going to look at this stage if their powerful, inevitable front runner still can’t carry the Democratic base in a large state with a diverse Democratic voting population. Instead, the media are all spinning that if Bambi loses by just single digits, it will be a MORAL victory for him (even if he outspends Hillary 3-1)
@dot48 – I agree, and there’s a lot of evidence that the Obamamania we saw after Iowa has pretty much died. No more big rallies with Yes We Can. Instead, Bambi is trying to campaign in PA like Hillary, with smaller town hall settings, and talking about economy. He’s making a big push for those working class white votes – but going to Altoona and bowling a 37 is really not helping.
filbertsf Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
If Gore endorses BO, it’ll be devastating.
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Why would it be devastating? I’m not supporting Hillary because of what Gore thinks, I’m supporting Hillary because after researching her record and her plans for the country..I think she is what is best for us to dig us out of the mess that GWB placed us. She will work her but off for us and that’s is what I want.
Obama is in for it to be the first black POTUS and it’s fame and power and ambition. I think he will be a terrible president and the more I learn about him, the more convinced I’am of this belief.
Shoo-fly pie! LMAO.
Sounds a couple of rungs down from fried squirrel or, as was the headline in my local paper today, the annual “Drowning of the Worms” ritual.
Hey, there’s a thought. Maybe we could apply that ceremony to Deaniacs, Obama-lama-dings, and the east coast latte liberal crew.
Ben
What about the 20,000 audience at one of the PA colleges?
filbert, did you hear what randi rhodes called Hillary today? By the way, Gore endorsing BO would disappoint me, but it wouldn’t be a shock.
I hope that Michelle-O footage that was on CNN finds it way on to Fox tonight. She had a definate chip on her shoulder and was doing the old race-bait again. If the campaign was smart they would lock her in a closet until the primaries are over.
basil9 – did he get that? Well, then not as “many” big rallies then.
@ben – the other problem with PA is the republican conspiracy to throw the election – 100K+ republicans changed party affiliation…….
Indie Ben – agree. The media is still spinning BO’s talking points and in denial.
My theory about the media and why so many are in the tank for BO – I would imagine that many in the media are democrats and most don’t have the discipline like the old guards of journalism, Brokaw et al, to separate their professional objectivity from their preferences; they cannot separate their personal bias from their reporting. Until as BO supporters, they realize “the end” for their candidate, we’re not going to have objective reporting.
Fox News may be it. They have no horse in the race, and the Dems that work at that network aren’t besieged by BO mania and peer-pressure everywhere.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a good portion of those 100K (where did you find that #?) are real converts – hopefully to Hillary!
I just hope those republican have some sense and not vote for Obama. They should want to vote for Hillary to make double-d#$n sure he doesnt get in!!This man is scarey!!
@fdrjim Yeah, Rush Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos.
But do I feel bad about that? Hell no. The entire campaign prior to OH/TX there was an organized effort for republicans to cross-over and vote AGAINST Hillary.
yeah but fdrjim – some of that is operation chaos – Rush Limbaugh’s project to crossover Republicans to vote Hillary – and if the Indies and Republicans are watching Fox News at all – I’m sure they’re reacting the same way this guy is (posted in comments section on Stop-Obama.org):
former repub — for nowon 25 Mar 2008 at 9:00 am 6
I changed my affliliation in PA to democrat, JUST TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA… am I republican?? yes!!!
Do I like either hillary or obama?? no!!!!
Will I do everything I can to keep Obama and his “finally proud of american” wife and his “anti-white”, “anti-sematic”, “anti-america” preacher FARRRR away from the Whitehouse?? HELL YES!!!!!!!!
Someone came by our house from the Obama camp to convince us to change to democrat …WELL I DID and what I didn’t tell them is … I CHANGED MY PARTY AFFILIATION TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA!!!!!
Great site BTW~
kirsten powers at Fox is so in the tank for bambi .. it’s so obvious. The Schultz guy, Dick Morris .. they all get a fee from Fox.
All McCain will need to run away in the fall .. if they dems are stupid enuf to steal this from HRC .. is a chrasmatic, economic minded, good looking, easy talking republican .. EYE CANDY.
@hillbillylover – over 250K new democrat votes – of which slightly more than 100K were people who switched party affiliation – mostly republicans that became democrats to vote in the closed PA primary
Just tuned in to Fox and Shlepp-o was reporting that Dean reserved hotel rooms in Denver for the Florida and Michigan delegates after having canceled those rooms a couple of months ago.
I guess that’s a sign Dean is serious about seating Fl and MI. It just better not be AFTER the nominee is named. Grrrrrrrrr.
@ben – I traveled north from a non-represented State to work in Cleveland for two weeks – we worked our butts off but what a reward!!
Ben, Yup. I read it somewhere today. Also heard he’s spending 10X as much as HRC.
Ben,
here’s the link.
ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD8VO36580
we need to start calling the DNC again .. seat them NOW…award the delegates and the votes as recorded in the primary .. DON”T WAIT.
I still don’t see how they can seat them AFTER cause they essentially would still NOT count.
@basil9 – in FL we want no deals and the primary recognized and our delegates seated B4 the nominee is selected -
@fdrjim – Wow, I wish I could afford to travel like that
fdrjim,
Yeah, but they’re mainly the “Operation Chaos” people and they’re gonna go for Hill as per General Rush-O’s orders.
Basil9 – I’ll believe it when I hear it from the Florida Democrats that this has happened.
This hotel stuff seems superfluous, can be just a bluff.
I’ll get back on the phone banking tomorrow. Everyone we really need to ramp it up now till primary day.
I saw a piece last night were Republicans were changing registration so they could vote for Hillary in Oregon.
freakin tweety got the liar on his show…had to flip the channell
@dot48 – I made a personal commitment to call the DNC every day – and I have my email chain doing the same – along with one other action item – like our email blitz to Donna Brazile asking for contributions to the DCCC from Florida Dems – absolutely no money until our votes are counted. When you call the DNC ask for Terese, Cherly, or Doris in the Executive Office
The repubs know that Hillary will run a civil and honest campaign while bambi will continue the flimflam with the media tanking and distorting for him. They know they won’t get a fair campaign.
@basil9, I can’t believe he’s spending 10X. Where did you hear that?
cj, tweety wants to suck obama’s dick. sorry to be brass but its the way it is.
@lninla – thanks for that information – nice to know – appreciate the reference site
# HillBillyLover Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:31 pm
I hope that Michelle-O footage that was on CNN finds it way on to Fox tonight. She had a definate chip on her shoulder and was doing the old race-bait again. If the campaign was smart they would lock her in a closet until the primaries are over.
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I thought they did lock her away! LOL……….what’d she say now???
Inninla,
We are synched! I heard that exchange today and was ROTF!
(Rush would get a laugh outta hearing we’re QUOTING him! IF that isn’t proof Operation chaos is working . . . ya gotta admit that taken OUT of context, meaning that if this wasn’t such an important election and if we didn’t need HRC to win his instigation would be and is priceless. I think even he’s shocked that his listeners have taken him seriously)
fdrjim,
I’m with you guys! Hope you organized a protest to make sure the popular votes are counted and the delegates assigned accordingly!
@lninla – FL Dem here and have not heard anything about this (the Denver hotel thing) from any of my contacts – smoke and mirrors, that’s all, hoping that we’ll relent which is not going to happen, rest assured — we’ve only just begun!
Independent Ben
He is spending a ton of money in PA. He has been running nonstop ads all day and night in the Phila market and Hillary runs a few.
@basil9 – stay tuned – you’ll see what we mean when we say we want our votes counted – no deals -
Inninla,
You’re probably right. It was Schlepp-o, the source of the Gore-o rumor today who reported it. Let me dig around and see if I can find
any back-up.
ya know if one thing Basil9 – is if the Obama camp is working so hard to convert Republicans ever since April 2007 in FL, NV, CA, and elsewhere, then, now it’s going to backfire.
At the very least, it deters them from going after what was their strongest suite – Indies and Dems.
Dobbs,
Reporting that BC said OBAMA should withdraw from the race and Lou ROTF!
fdrjim – had heard that on a campaign call – no deals, no negotiating, no way – not losing any delegates in any sort of settlement. seat the delegates or see ya at convention.
fdrjim, are you talking about million thingie?
I think Hillary needs to push as much as possible that she’s not running ads to keep up with him because she is depending on getting her message straight to the people .. street to street, city to city.
She needs to keep her underdog status, stay on message and avoid any screwups.
Oh and fdrjim, if you don’t know what I’m talking about then the answer is no.
@hillbillylover – that and more
SWWWEEEEEEET!
dot48 Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I think Hillary needs to push as much as possible that she’s not running ads to keep up with him because she is depending on getting her message straight to the people .. street to street, city to city.
She needs to keep her underdog status, stay on message and avoid any screwups.
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I totally agree, bambi camp is hoping she will be MADE to spend her coffer’s on advertising to keep up with his ads, in hopes to bankrupt her…….she needs to not fill the ai waves, she needs to do the opposite….people will be turned off by his ads
Innila,
I agree. And I also believe that IF the process is allowed to play out the way it is SUPPOSED to, that HRC will be the next president.
Mrs. Smith posted a fascinating account in USA Today about the statistics of why HRC has a better chance at winning the GE.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/3/28/projection-clinton-wins-popular-vote-obama-wins-delegate-count.html
Ugh, O’Reilly has Dick Morris and Dennis Miller on. I refuse to watch that garbarge
fdrjim,
I lived in Florida for a couple of years and I know there are a lot of determined folk there so the rest of us are counting on you guys!
And I will stay tuned!
@basil9 – FL will make a difference – and we’re going to make sure it happens -
Did everyone get Maggie’s message?
Didya vote?
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/flmi/?sc=1746&utm_source=Publicaster&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1746
I Ben…….got it on now, dickie is making a fool as usual
got i hate that nasal prissy pants excuse for a man
Well, one thing is comforting: Dick Morris has “never” made a correct prediction about Hillary.
all dickie is doing is letting hillary supporters know they need to donate more to her
@basi9 – where in FL?
Randi Rhodes today called Geraldine Fitzgerald and Hillary whores. Several times each on her stoooopid radio show. I feel as if the world has gone mad.
dot, I”ll keep my fingers crossed for your buyers.
And sometimes changing kitty’s food is the anser to kitty uti’s. You have to get one of the pricey foods without corn, etc.
Fonda is a flake. She has changed her mind so many times about so many issues, not even the right takes her seriously anymore. I think lst year she was a feminist. This year, I dunno. She drank the kool-aide
fdrjim,
Near Port St. Lucie.
mj, what did Randi Rhodes call Hillary? I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the B word.
She called them whores? What’s the context?
@basil9 – just drove through there Monday from Broward to Pinellas – setting some stuff up
glad he got hanoi jane..ya know about 3,500 regan dems of the marines will not vote bambi with her name attached to anything.
thats what my friend told me..he is a retired marine
from veitnam..he talks about that all the time when
election years are here lol..
Why does Oreilly keep having him on? He has NEVER made one correct predicition. They’ve dug her grave so many times before. And believe me, Bill and Hillary wouldn’t be bankrupt to pay off some election debt. They don’t get it .. it’s not about Bill or Hill .. it’s bout the country.
v
“fucking whore” Pardon the language, it’s hers not mine.
Witch Hunt.
Women against women. I hate that sh!t.
BTW, posted up thread that if the current roles were reversed and BO had one percent less popular votes than HRC and the Dems were calliing for HIM to get out of the race they’d be accused of racism.
OK – birdie bed time. Back later if i can stay up.
Why would she say that? Can’t imagine what Gerry or Hillary did to deserve that.
Can you believe I once contributed to AA when it was in dire financial ruins?
go vote….”who’s gaffe is bigger” clinong/bosnia obama/wright
billoreilly.com/
linfair .. yes, ScienceHill s/d .. no taste whatsoever. She simply refused to eat it and was starving. My vet said okay to feed her the tuna for now till we get her back on her feet. I’m trying to flavor the s/d with the tuna juice .. no go there either.
o’reilly’s previous poll result :
Q: Is the Obama/Wright story important to you?
Answer Percent
Yes
89%
No
11%
Total Votes: 75236
Inside Today’s Bulletin
The Obama Meltdown Continues As His Lies Grow Longer
By: Herb Denenberg, The Bulletin
04/01/2008
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19441967&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
National GOP targeting New Mexico in presidential race
By Barry Massey
Associated Press Writer
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 04.02.2008
advertisementSANTA FE — The national chairman of the Republican Party says the GOP is targeting New Mexico in the presidential race and is taking sides in one of the state’s contested primary campaigns for a congressional seat.
“New Mexico is a battleground target state for us,” Republican National Committee chairman Mike Duncan said in an interview with The Associated Press on Tuesday. “We recognize it’s going to be an important state for us.”
State GOP chairmen from across the country also are gathering in New Mexico this week for a meeting in the Albuquerque area at a resort hotel operated by Santa Ana Pueblo.
New Mexico was the first state for the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, John McCain, to air a campaign ad.
Duncan said McCain should run strongly in New Mexico because he’s a Westerner from neighboring Arizona. McCain also should appeal to independents and moderate-to-conservative Democrats who are New Mexico’s swing voters, Duncan said
“He has the same kind of crossover appeal that Ronald Reagan had in 1980,” Duncan said.
New Mexico has been a battleground state in recent presidential elections because of its voters who swing back and forth between Democratic and Republican candidates from election to election.
The 2004 presidential race in New Mexico was among the closest in the country. Republican George Bush won the general election with 49.8 percent of the vote — a 5,988-vote margin over Democratic Sen. John Kerry.
The 2000 presidential election in New Mexico was even closer. Democrat Al Gore won the state by 366 votes — receiving 48 percent of the vote to Bush’s 47.8 percent
Josh Geise, the state Democratic Party’s executive director, said New Mexico will be hotly contested in the presidential race regardless of who becomes the Democratic nominee — Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama.
The national political focus on New Mexico will be particularly intense this presidential election year, Geise said, because the state also features open races for U.S. Senate and Congress. Republican Sen. Pete Domenici is retiring and all three U.S. House members are giving up their seats to run for the Senate.
Duncan said the RNC is backing Darren White in the June primary election in the Albuquerque-area 1st Congressional District. White, the Bernalillo County sheriff, faces state Sen. Joseph Carraro in that race.
It’s unusual for the national or state party to openly take sides in a contested primary race, but Duncan said party rules allow that when requested by a state’s RNC members.
New Mexico’s three RNC members, who include state chairman Allen Weh, submitted a letter to the national party asking it to treat White as the presumptive nominee. The letter was sent after White received 85 percent of the vote of delegates at the party’s preprimary nominating convention in mid-March.
Candidates need 20 percent support at the convention to earn an automatic place on the primary ballot. Carraro has submitted additional petitions to gain primary ballot access.
Duncan said the party is behind White because he was “such an overwhelming choice” at the nominating convention.
Carraro said he hadn’t been told by national or state GOP officials of the party’s support of White. However, he said the party’s decision hasn’t slowed his fundraising and wouldn’t derail his campaign.
“Clearly we’re not surprised by anything that the political bosses of the Republican Party do,” Carraro said. “They have their own reasons and it’s all about power and money.”
Republicans have held the 1st District seat for decades. Incumbent Heather Wilson won it in 1998. However, she is running for the GOP nomination for U.S. Senate this year along with Steve Pearce, who is giving up the 2nd Congressional District seat he won in 2002. Democrat Tom Udall, the 3rd District incumbent, also is running for the Senate.
Adam Feldman, state GOP executive director, said the party’s support for White allows Republicans to concentrate on the general election campaign and retaining a GOP seat in Congress.
“We would be playing right into the Democrats’ hands if we do not begin immediately preparing for what will be one of the most contested general election races in the country,” Feldman said.
Four Democrats are running in the 1st District: former Albuquerque city councilor Martin Heinrich, former state Health Secretary Michelle Lujan-Grisham, former Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Giron and Albuquerque attorney Robert Pidcock
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/232512.php
Q: Do you agree that the backlash against the media has hurt Barack Obama?
Answer Percent
Yes
66%
No
34%
Total Votes: 20955
I wonder if these progressive talkers like Rhodes, Maddow and Olgermann; or the Nation magazine will endorse McCain when Hillary wins the nomination.
It’s been so nasty on their end. How can they possibly backtrack on the things they’ve said and done to Hill?
“…what a whore Geraldine Ferarro is! She’s such a fucking whore.”
“Hillary is a big fucking whore, too. [...] She is a big fucking whore, and do you know why she’s a big fucking whore? Because her deal is always, ‘read the fine print, asshole,’” – Randi Rhodes
Hey, check this out folks. This post shows that traffic on the pro-Obama blogs is way down over the past 30 days. A pretty interesting read.
allspinzone.com/wp/2008/04/01/candidate-war-impact-on-progressive-blogs/
djia – where is that poll from?
BTW, Marc Ambinder notes that Lee Hamilton was already advising Obama so his “endorsement” is hardly newsworthy, lol.
how can we contact randi rhodes. women need to bombard her ass. Call her a whore right back too.
Ininla
it’s on billoreilly.com
Oh well. Rhodes is singing to the choir. Former listerners like myself who listen to Hillary have left; the people who remain probably feel as she does.
Let’s just move on from that loudmouth.
ok, filbert, but I really find it depressing when women who call themselves “progressive” call the two only women with a shot at the WH in history fing whores.
I have noticed the level of enthusiasm for Obama has dropped dramatically in the past few weeks. It used to be whenever there was an online poll about Hillary and Obama, the Obama side would just overwhelm Hillary supporters and now it seems much easier to out vote them. It could be because of Spring break with many college students away from their computers.
wow…mj..that is really nasty stuff.
(I had to go eat)
I’m back now for a few
what is it that the BG see’s in Dennis Miller??
for me he’s riding the same show boat with dickie morris
it’s the Morris & miller show LOL
BG=BM
Hi everyone,
Please go strike a blow for free speech and for this Hillary supporter who was purged from mydd for supporting Hillary.
Someone posted my diary about this experience so go here and recommend it Now
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/2/20339/33578
Better go quick. I have no idea how long it will be up there
Indie Ben – that article is interesting – I remember right around Super Tues. the comments on Huffington Post were always in the thousands on just about every article, and now they’re trickling in the dozens…and it’s the rare article that gets thousands of comments.
Since that article on Businessweek about Axelrod’s other company specializing in “astroturfing” – I now wonder if they were able to pump up the numbers artificially.
businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm
mj, I don’t want to talk about AA, Rhodes or Maddow anymore.
rjk:
I have noticed a lack luster of support for O too
I think in a couple months those college kids will be out of school; it will be beach season soon too
so his young support is about to take a beach break LOL!! and the Elite support is about to be on vacation
no wonder he is hitting Hill hard now……his support is about to hit the beach LOL!!
The campaign opened their North Carolina Headquarters tonight in Raleigh (actually the posh Glenwood South neighborhood) with a party. They will also be opening about a dozen more satellite field offices around the state over the next few weeks, starting with Charlotte.
Ace Smith will head up the campaign in the state.
Linfar: I recc’d ya
That’s good news, Joe. We’re going to need a strong showing in NC. I hope Edwards endorses Hill before that. It would be a big booster… but then again, didn’t he lose his home state?
mj – here’s a good quote from Madeleine Albright:
“there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help women.”
I know I am flogging this, but it will be my last diary on mydd as I have been purged for suppoorting Hillary.
Please go and recommend it
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/2/20339/33578
djia–good on ya. I hope it can stay up for a little while at least. Wouldn’t it be great if it made the recommended list.
hi hillfans. chiming in at work quick. i used to listen to rhandi rhodes too but she is a hillary hater. matter of fact talk lrft on sirius radio is all obama except lynn samuls. she is foul mouthed but very pro hillary. she can’t stand obama also.
Rhodes is on Air America. They are easy to give feedback to. Just go online and go to Air America or Randi Rhodes. And you can really give em hell. Bet to go to the sstationmanagment tho. Not the rhodes website.
talk left channel on sirius radio i mean. funny, i find myself listening to patriot channel on sirius or hannity. hannity is a hillary hater but he is equal time against obama.
Thanks, Ininla. Ok, filbert, I don’t want to talk about it either.
Damn I’m bored.
linfar, AA in general is against Hillary.
It’s like a woman complaining to the boss about sexual harassment when he’s the one doing the harassment.
Hi terron.
fliberts, no primaries for weeks.lol. we need out political fix bad!
hi mj.
Anyone know how many delegates Edwards has? Hmmmmmmmm….
Yep. Hillary ain’t got no friends in the progressive community.
the arrogance of BO and the dem party will hand this election to the repubs unless HRC is the nominee.
Arrogance is a despised trait.
Last time I wrote to Maddow I had had a cocktail and was SO disappointed in her, I told her so. It was one of those early nights on Olbermann. The second or third show after he took that very first shot across Hillary’s bow -pissed me off. Switched him off afterwards too. No rating for MSNBC from this woman!
26isnt for jedwards
I’d probably have more money if I watched Jim Cramer, but noted this from a TM poster:
Jim Cramer was on The Ellen Show in Feb. Ellen asked him who was the best presidential candidate for the economy, and he said, without skipping a beat, “Hands, down, Hillary Clinton.” Here’s the video link:
youtube.com/watch?v=Pensnsoq-ZM
RevAmy | Homepage | 04.02.2008 – 8:16 pm | #
Holy heck you all!
Have you seen/read the piece by Patsy (a military member) titled “Fall of the Democratic Party” ?
Right now it is 1st Hot Topic at Taylor Marsh’s site.
Very long, hard to read for a couple of reasons, most important being her whole person is so involved. Please, take the time, try to hear her voice.
It’s not the way WBBoei, Universal, BMerry, I, or even Inlala would write, but it is SO powerful, so bare, so honest…that I am shaking.
Again, please read. For all our sakes.
(If someone could do the purple link, more would read it, I’m sure. I just don’t know how.)
Dot…I agree. And BO has a very arrogant stance. He poses in an arrogant way. Looks down at folks. Literally. Not because he it tal, but kind of like I do if I am not wearing my readers.
Hell, he is over forty. We know he must wear glasses.
oh here comes hannity..lol..uhh oh he is going after the photo..
hannity showing the clip of NO PHOTO BAMBI tonight!!
I’ve been on phones all day. Not tv. What was the photo thing?
We’d all have more money if we didn’t travel states to states. Can’t wait for this Primary to end with a victory.
Norma, Admin posted the clip a bit further up in the thread of obama being rude to a italian guy in a italian district who wanted a picture of them together
Barone has a follow-up piece to his earlier one about Hillary winning the popular vote:
w*w.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/02/usnews/whispers/main3991108.shtml
Thanks djia. I’ll check it out. Videos tend to want to crash my computer. But I am glad that it sounds as if BO is following in his spiritual advisor’s path to other ethnicities.
Can anyone out there tell what an at-large delegate is?
The Revenge of the garlic-nosed. hehehe
BO better watch his step. The Sons of italy are gonna be after his butt. First Gerry, then the Romans and now no pics with paesanos? He’s living dangerously.
@berkley vox – Edwards has 18 delegates – this does not include the 15 he has in FL – in FL Clinton got 67 and Bambi 41 and Edwards 15 – Of 67 counties in FL, Clinton lost 22 – of the 22 she lost 18 to Edwards/4 to Obama – these 15 delegates are extremely important in the seating of FL delegates, the vast majority of the Edwards wins were in the more conservative panhandle area of Florida – a good percentage would likely support HRC at the convention -
..he is afriad of something,he doesnt like his pic taking with anyone..wonder what it is..
he is arrogant and a BIG FAT LIAR!!!
WRIGHT IS ON HIS TAIL na dpeope wont follow the Change crap wioth HOPE
your welcome nora
@confloyd – at at large delegate can depend upon the state. The Texas situation, for instance, is an example. The 65% that were awarded to the candidates based on the primary were pledged. The 35% based on the primary convention are considered at large. These delegates will not actually be determined until August when the delegates selected / elected go to the State Convention and then the at-large delegates are finally awarded to the candidates based on the State Convention vote.
confloyd. Do you have Donna Brazile’s email? She is an at-large delegate, and a Super one at that! LOL
If you can, just email her and ask her. Get it from the horse’s mouth….so to speak. :giggle:
thanks fdrjim. i agree that most of edwards’ delegates would support hillary, on their own, given that her platform is so similar to edwards’. but given elizabeth edwards’ kind words towards hillary today re: health care, and the mutual respect between clinton/edwards, i almost can’t help but wonder if hillary will promise him the VP slot, going into denver…
Wow! fdrjim…that is amazing you know all that stuff! I suggest calling Brazile….you just answer! HA!
Maybe you should let Donna know!
I think that I have it I’ll have to check! Be right back!
wish someone would run an ad with all those names, all that money and simply say “money talks” ask these people .. from the Taylor Marsh article
@norma dean – the ultimate display of arrogance from Bambi is to stuff the FL ballot box closed – he’s more interested in protecting his lead than recognizing the votes of floridians – Talk about change – what change – this is akin to 2000
Berkeley Vox….that wouldn’t surprise me at all. Edward’s has something to give Hillary, and he has been running for President for forever now. And no one will take him seriously again if he wanted to run again in 2012. It may be worth the holdout and the support if she gets it from him.
no, I just have the newscasters! I guess I just e-mail her at the dnc, correct?
I found the timing of Mrs. Edwards on tv today strange and a little comforting
fdrjim….how well i know. I have lived in Florida twice!
Got a list of all member on the rules & bylaws committee – we should begin a letter writing campaign urging them to seat FL delegates or esle….
donna@brazileassociates.com
If you are polite, she is polite back. At least I have found her to be that way.
Like now. It’s 9:30. She is probably at dinner with some DC wheels. Drop her a note tomorrow. Tell her you waited. She might appreciate that and be more open.
I have had some testy exchanges with her. Polite ones (deferential) She is one of those bees-honey-vinegar gals.
ok norma thanks!
fdrjim,
I really am signing off, *LOL*
But could you send me the Rules and Bylaws list? DO you have email addys for them?
If I get the list I’ll contact them tomorrow or Friday.
email is hilaryhawke @ mhcable dot com.
g’nite all.t
it appears Mrs. Edwards is beginning the initial display of HRC support – and we know those Edwards delegates in consort with FL delegates wold tip the scale.
hey how are you all doing? any good news for Hillary today?
what was the photo thing on Hannity and Colmes?
couldn’t believe how arrogrant Obama was about the picking Gore to be on his cabinent, is that his way of saying Gore’s for him, makes me cringe! I love and respect Gore but this is no way to use Gore like that!
Given what has happened to Universal, Tex, Infar and maybe a few others from here in the last day or two, this is another interesting post at TM-another Hot Topic.
Named All Spin Zone
A bit here, rest over there:
Trend Analysis: Candidate War Impact on Progressive Blogs
A review of monthly traffic on 5 major progressive blogs (2 pro-Obama, one neutral, 2 pro-Clinton) reveals some interesting statistics. Beyond mere stats, though, lies a story – are the blogs that lean strongly toward one candidate or the other hurting themselves – and in the process, Democratic Party chances in November?
Commentary By: Richard Blair
As readers of progressive blogs are painfully aware, the Democratic Party candidate wars have become acrimonious and in some cases, very personal. I was a long time reader (and contributor) to Daily Kos, but recently bid farewell to “big orange”. Why? As a relatively non-aligned member of the DKos community, I no longer felt welcomed on the site. The evening of March 4th was pretty much the kicker for me. Venom was spewing, stupid declarations were being made, and it was clear that an online civil war had been joined.
I noticed the same basic trend on a few other sites that are (or were) on my daily reading list. If comments were made that could be perceived as pro-Clinton or anti-Obama, the swarm descended. Rationality seems to have taken a back seat to ad hominem attacks – and not just at the hands of the community members – but the actual proprietors of the blogs. It’s clear that certain blogmasters have taken up sides in the candidate wars. But probably more than just taking up sides, many of these blogs have actively gone super negative, rather than simply favoring one candidate over the other.
(Big Pink is not included in article.)
I hope Elizabeth sticks to her drive to get health care, I e-mailed her months ago. It was the last night their web page would let anyone blog. I just asked them to try and look at Hillary’s healthcare plan because it was superior to BO’s. I told her about this lady that I took care of in the emergency with shoulder pain that turned out to be breast ca. She had no insurance and not enough money to get a 100.00 mammogram. The lady died a horrible death. That was almost 20 years ago and I have never forgot her. SHe was a wonderful brave person! Healthcare is my cause and that’s why I am a Hillary fan!!
im looking for that wapo article from the other day on obama claiming he will follow bush sr and reagan on foreign policy. its pretty bad.
fdrjim…that is a great list!
I wish Edwards delegates would go Hillary, but the BO people are so agressive. Rememer what happened a few weeks ago in Iowa.
I just pray that Hillary will come out STRONG in Penn am really tired of hearing Hillary should quit, no she should not, and this only goes to show the aggorance of the men and Obama
Once again all here is the diary to recommend at mydd. And so apropos to what Emjay posted.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/2/20339/33578
Let’s get this damn thing rec’ced!!
I said earlier this morning that Hillary should come out and take Elizabeth’s side in her spat with the McCain campaign.
@mj – I have a list of Edwards delegates – what do you think of a grass-roots mail out – I can put together a form letter, we can get our networks send mail to them – thoughts?
I can’t believe hannity is defending obama’s behavior today…….arrrrrrgh!!
Look what they would be saying and doing if it was Hillary!!
Give me a break!! Luntz on Fox “Obama is a gentle soul”
Please, that is until you get in his way, ask Alice Palmer….
Obama’s attitude at the Italian Market is getting a lot of play in Phila are. He was not going to win South Philly anyway and now he sealed that fate.
rjk
it made me wann puke!!
rjk
in so philly, are they spinning it as “poor O, he’s being bombarded all the time” too??
We already know that the two big pro-BO are Huff Post and DailyKooks. I’m assuming the 2 pro-Hillary blogs are TM and No Quarter.
Aside from Big Pink and the 2 other, there really aren’t that many pro-Hillary blogs. That means, if these pro-Obama blogs want to stay in business, they need for Obama to win the nomination. Big blogs are money-makers these days. No wonder HP and DK are pushing so hard for BO.
I’m very surprised that mydd are kicking off Hillary supporters. You would think a place that calls itself “my direct democracy” wouldn’t be engaging in cutting off free speech.
rjk1957 Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Obama’s attitude at the Italian Market is getting a lot of play in Phila are. He was not going to win South Philly anyway and now he sealed that fate.
RJK……local TV stations during 5:00 news I hope?
About 50/50. The only thing is people see what they want to see. many if south Philly don’t like him to begin with and they see it as a negative. I just want to know if he paid for the salami and cheese he was picking up..
I saw it on the 6:00 news, didn’t watch the early news. It is on all 3 local network affiliate websites.
Filbert if you the republicans will not try and smear Obama for the Fonda Endorsement read this:http://www.redstate.com/
Anyone with a clue knows Gore, a super ego maniac, is waiting for the right time to “stick” it to the Clinton’s whom he erroneously blames for losing in 2000. The way Obama’s endorsements have been timed is no mistake and Gore will come out either right before Penn or after Hillary wins so as to put the “holy grail” of endorsements on OB and allow the SD’s to feel great about their decision. Obama was kissing his ass today on how he will be a cabinet member and how they speak “all the time”.
Gore, Brazille, Pelosi, and the rest of them have had this thing orchestrated out the minute they saw “this fairy tale” was actually taking traction.
It shows you , as Carville said, the complete and utter lack of loyalty in Washington DC. This is just another reason why Bill and Hillary should say fuck off to the party if they railroad her, and take a serious look as running as a team independltly.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/hot_topics.php#2430 check this youtube video of Obama and Wright that shows the two of them together, and forward this to the media
finally a rep cleaver speaks up to help Hillary saying that 99.9 of the voters will not know who they are voting for should they vote for Obama
Let me tell you about Frank Luntz… he’s a disciple of Joseph Goebbel. Before I’m accuse of violating Godwin’s Law, Luntz’s career as a wordsmith to the Republican spin machine has done great harm to not only the environment, but to society. He’s poisoned the well. He also introduced Goebbel-like language into politics.
I remember him as the guy who advised the Bushies on how to discredit Global Warming scientists. He changed the language to soften it; “from global warming” to “climate change” and “death tax” instead of “estate tax.” Sort of like what Elizabeth Edwards was talking about: “Putting lipstick on a pig.”
For instance, instead of “estate tax,” he called it “death tax.” “Estate” would imply that the person is rich, so average people wouldn’t care. But replace estate with death and all of the sudden, people are up in arms b/c the gov’t is taking away money from dead people without their consent.
rjk1957, Luntz uses his words carefully. There’s always a double-meaning behind everything he says.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27336
hey check this out…. OBAMA will lose in the general election….. “HELLLLLLLOOOO” said Taylor Marsh to the Superdelegates
why is this website slow lately not as many posts as previous posts
fdrjim – signing off – talk to you tomorrow -
Hannity is dissing Bill and Hillary tonight on his show. They have been discussing Chelsea and her response to questions. I am so sick of it.
I have noticed that many people aren’t posting as much also. Overall though there hasn’t been a huge groundswell of news so maybe we are just all taking a breather.
Fdrjim
Did you volunteer at the University Hts office ?
I am wondering if Hannity and Fox are now saving stuff for the GE thinking Obama will be the nominee. Wasn’t Hannity going to do something on William Ayers on Sunday (but didn’t)?
Newsflash Irish1139: It’s Hannity. It’s Faux News.
What did you expect?
I noticed theres been a slow down in posts some were worried about obamabots being here but I feel we’re fine we need to have people have opportunities to get together and discuss so we can help Hillary win
Some of y’all been in bed with Faux News so long you’re mixing foes with friends.
ON TM..i think obama is in the pew…lordy this babmi is a liar and crook… it might take taylor marsh to vet him all the rest of the way..GD AMERICA what a way to associate yourself with someone like this…
be very afraid if this LIAR gets the NOM.actually he has gotten way to far…to even be where he is
jbstonefan
You are so right about Gore. If he comes out it might be for O. I read somewhere about the four men that will do anything to take Hillary down, It is Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Gore, and Kerry. They could care less about this election.
hey-
is there another way i can read comments on tm’s site via rss or something? the new format aint working for me and many other s there! sos…
Luntz has the worst hair piece I have ever seen!!! The big story now is ABC reporting that Hillary told Richardson BO could not win…like that is really surprising? Bill Richardson is a sack of shit who has really done his best to hurt Hillary. He claims he was going to endorse her but her campaign got nasty!! With supposed friends like him, no wonder. This whole idea that the Clintons wanted to lose 92% of the AA vote makes about as much sense as George Bush getting into Yale.
I thought I had noticed Fox going off on Hillary a little more than usual. I always knew their goal is to deseat both of them for McCain. If you want to read something interesting go to RED STATE.COM and you can see the beginning of the general election knockdown of the democrats!
Dean says superdelegates are free agents posted by Clintonite16
04.02.2008 – 09:43 am
DNC Chairman Howard Dean said that the Democratic superdelegates “who are poised to select the party’s presidential nominee are free to back whomever they wish at the end of the primaries, regardless of who leads in the popular vote or pledged delegates,” the Los Angeles Times reports.
Said Dean: “They should use whatever yardstick they want. That’s what the rules provide for.”
“He also said superdelegates were free to weigh the disputed primary results in Florida and Michigan, two states that New York Sen. Clinton carried in the absence of campaigning by rival Barack Obama. The two campaigns have spent weeks wrangling over a plan that would seat delegates from those states, which voted earlier than the party allowed.”
You just said that dean, gore, kennedy and kerry would give anything to take her down. Tell me, why in the world do they think they can, every one of them are losers. They could never win and they are jealous because the Clinton’s can! This party stinks!!
Seems this has been a night of multi-tasking for me! Heck! You would think it would calm down after 8.
hey norma, how is that?
Lets do what Murtha said, HIllary will win PENN with double digit!
Confloyd,
I am going to google to see if i can find that article again
they keep saying Obama is ahead of Hillary in the polls. Is this true?
The Bosnia thing is still being talked about. What if Hillary at one of her rallys came out in a flak jacket and a helmut and said something like “Just in case, I have to be prepared.” And then apologized for her misstatement. They keep talking about it because she didn’t apologize.
I guess Sinbad has come out and said it was a really dangerous place. I read some of the first reports from 12 years ago and they sound dangerous. She was told by a female pilot in her plane that there had been sniper fire and they had to be careful. Both trips to the troops in the Black Hawk were very scary according to the writeup. Both flights went through a war zone. Then she returned for a show for the troops. I just don’t think she deliberately made it up. I think in her mind what she remembered of it was danger and thus, the story.
She has got to win the rest of the states. She could do it, I know she could.
Confloyd here is the articleWith Clinton Weakening, Gang of Four Ready to Pounce
Posted on February 2, 2008
Filed Under Democratic Primary, Gang of Four
The Gang of Four, a quartet of influential and rabidly anti-Clinton Democrats, are waiting for the perfect time to drive a stake through the heart of Hillary Clinton’s presidential ambitions. The question is, with 72 hours to go before the Super Tuesday primaries, is time slipping away? The cadre—Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and John Kerry—has vowed personally and collectively to do whatever necessary to keep the nomination from Clinton, each possessing compelling reasons to revile the former First Lady. Kennedy and Gore have long hated the centrist ground staked out by Bill and Hillary, and were disgusted with the Senator’s support for the war in Iraq. Gore further resented the Clinton’s lack of support in his own presidential campaign of 2000, feeling crucial democratic resources were diverted to Hillary’s New York Senate campaign in that same year. As for Dean, it is well known that Bill Clinton worked feverishly behind the scenes in keeping fellow democrats from supporting Dean’s candidacy. Fearing that a Kerry win in ‘04 would choke off any opportunity for Hillary to run in ‘08, Clinton provided little support for that campaign as well, incensing John Kerry, and perhaps making the difference in George Bush’s razor like win that year. Obama’s campaign gained significant momentum when Ted Kennedy, on the heels of Obama’s sweeping victory in South Carolina, joined Kerry in endorsing the candidate. Dean and Kerry Gore have held their preference close to the vest thus far. As chairman of the DNC, Dean’s work in promoting an Obama candidacy would likely be done behind the scenes leaving it to Gore, whose endorsement could truly define this race. The buzz in political circles is that Gore is waiting to see if Obama wins Super Tuesday and will then endorse, perhaps driving the final nail in Hillary’s coffin. Our question is, why wait? If Gore endorses, it could provide the final burst of momentum to insure an Obama win Tuesday. Recent polls show that Obama has closed the gap to 4 points. Can he make up the balance in the remaining hours? With Gore’s help it would be more likely. Go for it Al.
Irish, no it is not true, just look at http://www.surveyusa.com or http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news or http://www.hillaryhub.com dont listen the pundits
ANN…
look at the wording here. Two things stand out:
““He also said superdelegates were free to weigh the disputed primary results in Florida and Michigan, two states that New York Sen. Clinton carried in the absence of campaigning by rival Barack Obama.”
Dean mentions Florida and Michigan results for the first time (I believe) as a weight factor for decisions…
but more importantly, it the poster IMPLIES that Clinton’s win came because BO didn’t campaign in Florida.
BS
Darn. Messed up the Bold. Oh well…you get the point.
Norma, I agree, also I feel that the delegates needs to be SEATED first before the convention, I just dont trust the DNC
If Elizabeth and/or John Edwards is going to endorse Hillary, maybe they’re waiting until the PA race draws closer? That way, the endorsement will be fresh in voters’ minds when they go to the polls. Then between PA and NC, they could make some public appearances on Hillary’s behalf.
That’s the time frame that seems to make the most sense. But then again, a lot of stuff about this election doesn’t make sense, so who knows?
I wouldn’t expect a Hillary endorsement from Algore. He belongs to that elitist, far left camp that wants to spend the next eight years singing Kumbaya with Obama.
filbertsf
Hannity has been pretty quiet about Hillary for the last couple of weeks. He has been concentrating on Obama. Tonight he was his old self. FOX is the only station I can stand to watch. I end up screaming at CNN and MSNBC. I just sent the video around to all the stations with Obama and Wright. I wonder if anyone will play it.
NeetaBug…where was that posted?
That needs to be RESENT to people like Howard Dean, Kennedy’s office, Pelosi and friends and let them know their hatred for Clinton is not as important as the good of the country. That is disgusting.
They might as well say we are more important than democracy.
Assholes.
sorry. That makes me mad. Is that from a credible source?
Dean, If you think “Clintons carried in the absence of campaigning by rival Barack Obama” then let FL revote.
I googled , dean, kerry, ted kennedy, and gore four men who hate Hilliary. Will find it again
pa voters sound off on obama-aint good for him-
http://www.observer.com/print/67293/full
Just Me in MountDora
Dean has said a lot in the last few days about his desire to seat the delegates. Well…no one has ever said they would NOT be seated. He has yet to indicate what he really means in this public statement. It shows he is getting heat from the Party big wheels (donors and others) on his very bad management of the problem, but he and Pelosi are all nicey-nice now, but have yet to define the TERMS.
I don’t trust any of them as far as I can spit.
Dont kWith Clinton Weakening, Gang of Four Ready to Pounce | Squirmelicious
… a stake through the heart of Hillary Clinton’s presidential ambitions. … The cadre—Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and John Kerry—has vowed personally …
http://www.squirmelicious.com/?p=42 – 44k -now much about this site, here it is
to quote:
# meiyingsu Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Dean, If you think “Clintons carried in the absence of campaigning by rival Barack Obama” then let FL revote.
that is just SUCH an arrogant statement.
Florida will either be all Clinton or all McCain.
Never Obama
at the end of this should be Don’t know much about this site here it is i typed this in
i bet hannity doesnt even vote this time, because rudy never made it..he doesnt like mccain at all…not consevative enough for him….do not believe him..look how he acts,you can tell he won’t by his talk especially going after all of the dems..bill hillary .it gonna take someone to vet him ,hannity will wait now for awhile..the drip drip drip isnt fast enough we need someone now to vet..
I think this is a right wing website (Gateway Pundit) but they have found evidence that Obama not only marching in the Million Man march in 1995 but also helped organize it. He also attended with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Some of this information comes from a 1995 Chicago reader article and write up on Louis Farrakhan from a 1995 Biography.com listing
tinyurl.com/2n53uw
This will most certainly be a GOP attack ad in the GE…something to pass along to the SD’s I would think….
NeetaBug, thank you
I’m saving that one and need to check it out.
It really pisses me off, that old vendettas and jealousy are more important than Healthcare, Social Security, jobs and the economy! How can we get this out to the voters? Maybe everyone should know what is going on with the Fab4
That is exactly what I wrote in my open letter to Senator Clinton weeks ago!
Just found this ad on MyDD:
Introducing the Obama Organizing Fellows
This summer we are looking for students or recent graduates who want to be a part of a new generation of leadership that believes, like Senator Obama, that real change comes from the ground up.
Fellows will be trained on the basics of organizing & campaign fundamentals and then placed in a community to carryout grassroots activities. Program participation will start on June 5 through the end of the summer. Fellows will be asked to commit to a minimum of 30 hours per week.
arrogant bastard
That’s OK Neeta, I knew what you meant. I read blog
WOW…Irish1139
that sounds like those training camps he did for the Caucus stuff. These sound like urban hit squads. Maybe something for the Convention.
We need someone to join. I’m too old and typical.
Reading this again…
“then placed in a community to carryout grassroots activities.”
isn’t that the antithesis of “grass roots”?
to have trained people placed there?
Irish, Hilllary said she misspoke on Bosnia. I’m not sure what else she can do. The worst is over, I believe, however.
Norma: do you have your “typical white person” t-shirt?
texan4hillary that was a good article, especially the part where she says ” I’ve apprenticed”. That was funny!! She has got to win!!
Irish, so does that mean he is getting ready for the general election?
bah! he calls them training camps, thats what bin laden called them too!
Admin
WBBoei
Others who have been sharing addys (like that Monster Page!)
This is for you and for a few others on this board who are collecting addys and contact points for media folk and other important contacts, maybe even a few VIPs: It’s great!
GiveEmHell.org
It’s a site developed to make it easier to find e-mail addresses for the MSM and POWERS-THAT-BE…to make sure our voices are heard!
But now I can’t find the name of the hard working soul who is putting it together. S/he is also having a hard time w/ TM’s upgraded site, so says s/he will update once a week at the library, instead of every day.
It’s a work in progress so I appreciate your patience!
that dick full of shit is so arrongant ,
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2008/04/02/why-hillary-wont-quit/#respond
confloyd….I agree. And that the BO team is saying they are the “New” politics, yet they are siding with and asking for support of this mindset.
So much for Obama’s new politics. Again.
But I think, whether the source of this story is valid, the sentiment is correct.
My neighbor is building a HUGE house. It was vandalized the other day by what was obviously a PO’s contractor. Wrote all types of profanity on imported VERY DARK BRICK with silver spray paint. Horrible, rude things in a family neighborhood. The guy obviously felt cheated in some way. Rather than taking legal action, or discussing it in a rational way, or just QUITTING, he damaged someone just to get even.
How did this help? It didn’t. At some expense to my neighbor, the paint can be removed. At some expense to the contractor, he can get out of jail. But he will have a record of being a person that couldn’t “get over it”
My neighbor will have his house intact.
Who wins.
Look at Richardson. Permanant damage. and move on
confloyd Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:16 pm
bah! he calls them training camps, thats what bin laden called them too!
you are right..WOW!!!it show ya who he is,and what he is..i read that blog last march it was on aol..from the outside to the inside..and wont have time to get him..i might believe it now..good job irish/
birdgal, I look terrible in t-shirts.
I need something with a v-cut or buttons.
Is Hillary on Leno tonight or tomorrow?
he might even have wright as the trainer,how do we know what he is thinking he wont answer questions at since he started running..he changes the subject or he drifts to some bullpucky crap ya can’t understand.
tomorrow night
@Paula Yes, I think the crazy Bosnia story is finally over, since Hill is climbing back up in the national polls. When the MSM gets into a frenzy over something for 3 days, it has an affect.
Poor Hill. When she said, “I had a different memory,” I think I understand what she was saying. I think that over the years, her memory of it changed. It’s a very human thing. She was a great first lady, and I really resent the way the Obama camp has tried to trash her record. And people wonder why Hillary supporters are so hardened against Obama.
LOL CJ!
Is THAT ever the truth!
yep i know its the truth…i notice when i started learning some politics he was a liar..back then in march
i could only understand Senator Clinton real well and some john edwards some of it.. but never BHO..
Ok, so if all agree FL will be seated in some fashion, then those votes should be reported in the media vote tabulation, correct?
Oh Gosh, IndependentBen…
I saw some bubble-headed bleach blond on FOX yesterday who said something to the effect “If Bosnia, where Hillary Clinton and her fifteen year old daughter got a flower and a poem from a little girl is what she is claiming as foreign policy experience, that is pretty pathetic.”
I ALMOST THREW MY SHOE through the television! I swore at this girl out loud in my own home! LOL!
She was about 25 and “Democratic Strategist” (another word these days for an Obama supporter)
I thought HOW DARE YOU! And wished Hillary had been there to chew her a new, well…you know. It was INSULTING AS A VIEWER. It’s the same arrogance BO supporters have everywhere. They know it ALL!
Here’s an article that goes along with the organizing:
Obama readies plan to reshape the electorate
Talks about increasing voter registration among AA’s and young people, to counter balance the working class democrats.
news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080402/pl_politico/9328
You know, I love the Bill Clinton getting angry story. Although the anger part is just more negative spin by the press, the coverage of the story focuses attention on his argument about the unfairness of the media and caucuses system plus the fact that if Obama were 1% behind no one would ask him to drop out of the race. Hillary’s surrogates should bring these up on TV more often as well…
MJ….
“IN SOME FASHION” will not so. We need to know how. And yes, we have always demanded the VOTES be counted. That was not in the “deal” from the DNC. It was just about delegates. Why the popular vote has been stripped at all is incomprehensible to all of Florida. You will find FEW there who actually say “no, don’t count my vote. I went to the polls on a lark.” It’s just not happening. I don’t think people THOUGHT about the delegates when they voted in Florida. They went to vote for their candidate, and the DNC rules were arcane. They voted for whom they wanted. Those who are NOW saying they didn’t go vote because “I knew that my vote wouldn’t count” are 1.) Either lying 2.) never had any intention of voting or were not registered or 3.) have been “manufactured” by BOtagonists for the media hype and to cover his backside
“The possibility of running a very large, very powerful, and very effective campaign to register voters is something the Obama campaign could pull off this summer.”
news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080402/pl_politico/9328
@Norma. Yes, “as if” Hillary’s only foreign policy experience is one successful trip to Bosnia.
What do we say to someone that is on the fence, or doesn’t pay much attention to politics, that the issue of the Bosnia trip is not one of trust with Hillary.
As a Hillary supporter, and friend, said to me, this is how many of those people would view her statement.
How would a seemingly slight “misstatement” to me, affect the opinion of undecideds as whether she could be trusted to tell the truth.
Obviously the media playing this into the ground does not help my case.
I’m the choir so you don’t need to convince me shes the right candidate…so how would you deal specifically with this issue with unddecideds without dismissing it?
Darn…
“Will not so”
I meant “Will not do”
(I also type in Blog
)
If his internals in PA were any good, would he be making that argument?
The audacity of the rich Ba$#%$ds, thinking their vendetta and their jealousy of the Clinton’s is more important than this election is mind boggling! I believe Hillary when she said, you know after this election I will be fine, I will go back to the senate, Barack will be fine, but will the American people? The answer is NO! I wish I had 10 minutes in the same room with kennedy, gore, kerry and dean, I bet I could change their minds real quick!!
IndependentBen…the “strategist” was not even giving her that much credit. She was offensive to me. She totally negated ANY OTHER effort Hillary Clinton had ever done as a First Lady or as a Senator. She was completely dismissive. Hillary Clinton has more life experience in her little finger than this babe had in her LIFE. She was disgusting.
Norma, very few didn’t vote. It was one of the largest primary votes in FL history.
Norma Desmond Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Oh Gosh, IndependentBen…
I saw some bubble-headed bleach blond on
***********
PLEASE!
Norma, I bet her name is Michelle, she is an arogant little beoch! I am getting tired of the college kids thinking they know better than us 50 somethings about what this country needs. They on their mom and dad credit cards and most haven’t even held a job and their telling me what is best, I don’t think so!! The idiot parents are so happy the kids are finally interested in something constructive that they follow them to Obama! What a bunch of idiots! My children ask me and they are already tax paying members of the United States!!
So Debbie, are you wondering how Hillary should deal with the Bosnia thing? Well, my opinion is she has already dealt with it. I think it’s over and it’s not going to hurt her. I just trust the most people have enough common sense to realize what the really important issues are.
Debbie, the best thing to say, in my opinion mind you, is Hillary screwed up. That being said, what I talk about is that she made several trips INSIDE of Bosnia on several occasions, and at all times it was in a war zone. She went to the front lines with one of the Divisions and met the troops there. While it is not ok she made the “fish” get bigger, the real story is that she was in there and was ALWAYS in danger by the mere fact she was IN a war zone. Look at McCains trip to Iraq, months back, when they said he could walk through the streets with ease…everything was great there. Just a Sunday stroll. Yet in reality he was in a flack jacket and surrounded by 100 troops just out of camera range. The place was a nightmare. Same with Bosnia, snipers everywhere. But as long as the men and women of the military were 20 feet away, things were cool for a few minutes. You notice no one there stayed on the ground for long – in either place.
@Norma I think we’ve all accepted that Hillary isn’t going to get much good media coverage. But we can look at the bright side. The constant Hillary bashing, and calls for to drop out, just motivates Hillary’s base.
And it’s obvious that Hillary’s base is larger than BHO’s. Why do they think Hillary always beats him in these large states?
MJ, I am well aware. It was huge.
Independent Ben.,
To me it’s over but to undecideds its not because the media make it out to be the lie of all lies in this campaign. It’s easy for me to dismiss this, but thats my point. How can “we” counter the continuous flood of negative press to an undecided that sees it as an issue.
I trusted people too until I saw them flock to the Pied Piper BHO and his sickening sweet “ain’t I pretty” speeches
Confloyd. I honestly cannot remember her name. She was nothing but RUDE. ZERO integrity in both her facts and her delivery. I am sure she went to the Barack Obama training camp.
thanks Norma that works
Mariah Carey passed elvis 17.. today Mariah 18 number ones and is in elite company of the beatles 2 behind them
where is LJ..hes a fan..too.
1950Democrat
I think I love you…I’d been looking for that series of Tuzla descriptions and articles for a couple of weeks…just didn’t think of Lexis, and wouldn’t know how to use it anyway…does it cost?
Am going to re post for those who missed your original…
Regarding our girl’s trip to either 3 or 4 sites in Bosnia, not just the video taped one…
talkleft.com/comments/2008/3/23/14293/1085/131
A very good diary at TalkLeft that tries to sort out the different stories about the Tuzla trip. There were at least three stops; the performers were not included on the more dangerous stops.
More good info is available at the ex-military site noquarterusa.net
I am SO GLAD that is the description in Obama’s OWN AD, and not a disparaging remark I am having to make!
And IndependentBen: I KNOW Hillary will get little good press, but this graduate of the “Grassroots Campaign Fundamentals” was really the worst I had seen. Her analogy and her THINKING PROCESS was overloaded on one too many half-caf-decaf-soy-filled-java-bubble with light foam. She was a fool.
debbie
I just don’t think it’s an issue that is gonna “stick” to Hillary. She just needs to stay on message, about the economy etc., and undecideds will go to her.
I think we need to get the jane fonda endorsement of Obama out, we should want everyone to hear that!!Especially in Pennsylvania!
Oh Confloyd! Did Jane endorse Obama? I hadn’t heard that!
If Kerry is pissed because he thinks Bill Clinton did not do enough for him on 2004, he is a selfish prick, trying to blame his monumental failure as a candidate on someone other than his own wimpy self.
Bill had been unwell and having chest pain and shortness of breath as the campaign got rolling. He ended up with QUADRUPLE FREAKING BYPASS surgery on his heart. And he STILL got off of his bed just a few weeks later to go campaign for Kerry’s sorry loser ass, thin and pale, but working his heart out for his Party, like always.
I swear to god, these selfish assholes who have done nothing but TAKE and TAKE and TAKE from the Clintons all these years while sneering at them behind their backs make me want to puke.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING MR. SILVER-SPOON KERRY. THAT TRAILER TRASH, GOT-ABOVE-HIS-RAISING BUBBA BILL CLINTON IS TWICE THE MAN WITH TWICE THE SHEER CLASS AND MANNERS OF YOUR PRIVILEGED, PETTY LITTLE SELF.
I swear these elite nose-turning DNC losers make my blood boil.
Oh yes, don’t get me wrong I love Jane’s movies, but I would not want her endorsement for the Presidency!! If you want to know what the pugs are saying, thats their lead story tonight on red state.com!!LOL!!!
I personally don’t have a real problem with Jane these days, but I am a good political loyalist when I need to be – and Jane Fonda is the gift that just keeps on giving to a large section of Americans forty years later. Coupled with Reverend Wright, yes, this is good news.
Debbie, et al…
See my post to 1959 democrat @11:59 for some .very good Tuzla, Bosnia talking points and arguments.
texan4hillary, i am with you 100%, we need to get this out on more blogs or something. Everyone needs to know the petty little jealous and vendettas going on. Maybe I should email some of that to Lou Dobbs, he seems to be the only one appalled at the bs going on in the dem party.
to deal with Pelosi, Dean, Brazile, “Hillary should quit”, “Ruining the party”, “Obama is a lock” – we need new episodes of SNL.
confloyd..well ill tell ya those military men call her hanoi jane as of today and it sticks with them over 30 years…he will loose there support…if she is attached to him..she is a liberal to,she describes herself as that…i dont have a problem with her,i like 9 ta 5..
but im sure hillary is glad..
CLAPPING FOR HILLARYFORTEXAS!
Well said!
And as a voter, I didn’t vote for Kerry. I voted against Bush. I believe millions did the same thing.
On that note, I must head for bed. Nice being here. Thanks for the chat. I’ll be back again soon, but am real busy at work these days.
Goodnight all.
Norma, that’s not my point. Counting the voters in the tabulation psychologically very helpful to Hill. She cuts his lead in half just with FL alone.
well, Hill4Tex …
Welcome back !!! I was worried the convention had sucked a lot of that beautiful rant talent right out of you!
I know it knocked me for a loop.
Read your post on your experience, BTW.
Oh, MJ. I am sorry I misunderstood. Yes, you are correct. THE VOTES MUST BE COUNTED. The delegates will get “worked out”. But to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater was NOT “part of the deal.” It was some meme by the party “leaders” and their waterboys. Now, like WMD, it is “fact.”
OK…
bed
nite – again!
Fonda has served as an activist for many political causes, one of the most notable and controversial of which was her opposition to the Vietnam War.
im glad hillary doesnt have to deal with that from repubs
well, I guess, were just “typical white people”, uneducated and making less than 50,000. a year, so what we need is immaterial to the silver spoon brigade!
Kerry needs to lay off the arugula and pull his Yalie underoos out of his damn ass crack. Seriously.
OandrewD
re our girl quitting, see Jon Stewart riffing on “too much democracy” in the Democratic Party. New testerday, I think.
Laughed so hard, skipped my 5 pm cocktail.
emjay, saw that today and i laughed by arsh off!! Yeah the democratic party doesn’t want too much democracy!!
i do really think lou dobbs knows bo is a liar and crook..his eyes tells me he shakes his head with
what a bullshitter.
glenn beck is all over trashing bo tonight hes got wright / bo all on his mind
he said the 527’s will hurt bo..
this is an excellent article posted in NO QUARTER:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/02/dispelling-the-obama-moose-poop-about-super-delegates/#more-2028
I am having trouble posting links here tonight! I wonder why?
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm
they got request from students if this was really Hanoi AKA..jane fonda yeah it was..maybe it was bo supporters.lol.asking if they were really her…
but they were plaster all over in the newspapers
all over the world in the early 70’s as i remember
Please go to this link to light a candle for HRC click on groups then click on HRC
neetabug, there’s no link, i have been trying to post a link about the article in No Quarter tonight, its really good!!
HillforTexas you are cracking me up!
100% with ya, baby!
I have to say, after last Saturday’s fiasco in our Texas County Convention (lasted ’til after midnight), it’s been “get Hillary” again. Really can’t figure out why Fox or Dobbs haven’t pursuedHOW BHO is able to raise millions and millions (Middle-east money IMHO) through undocumented campaign contributions. Outspending HRC right and left is how he continues to cut her leads – with dirty money, I feel sure. When you look at the degreesof separation in the Rezko debacle, and learn that Sadam Hussein funded three congressmen to take trip to Middle East, it’s not a stretch to believe BHO’s campaign is being financed by terrorists – I include his own Nation of Islam and New Black Panther Party in this calculation, too. How anyone can wupport this fake and phony is beyond me. I feel like a guest in my own country, because this sure isn’t the country I grew up in. I am appalled at the hate eminating from Obama’s camp – and it speaks volumes about his high-profile supporters: no scruples or morals with then, either. Yuck. Incidentally, whatever happened to Idunn? Strange how there was a comment on another website – then poof…you never know do you? Big brothersall over the place.
Idunn checked in yesterday. She has bronchitis and hasn’t been feeling well and her mother in law decided to “come visit” so I think she probably is dealing with those things.
Emjay, read the posts,, they were great and good tools to undercut the biased reporting of the MSM.
it’s not a stretch to believe BHO’s campaign is being financed by terrorists – I include his own Nation of Islam and New Black Panther Party in this calculation
i believe it to curisotyhasme..seriously someone is sending money remember he said he gets 5 dollars
well i think those grassroots over there shoud be max out…for the primarys..i just dont believe he is getting moneyf rom them..it has got to be from other means..look at all the hill donors most are all maxed out…i think someone is slipping them money and putting into people names….
Jon Stewart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rhM-5t8qgc
Ann & PM, here is the info on Cook County.
http://www.voterinfonet.com/results/020508/SummaryReport.pdf
Testing
Testing, i am having trouble posting link to candles
Linkhttp://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=…
As far as Hussein’s chances in the General, I think Rove’s comments today and the latest SUSA polls prove beyond a doubt that he would go down in flames against McCain. Given the Repuglicans history with October Surprises, I would put NOTHING past them as the countdown starts. Nuke Iran? If that is what it takes, yes. Sabotage US efforts abroad? Been there, done that – Paris Peace Talks ‘68, Carter follies in ‘80. They will stop at nothing, something Hussein’s supporters just don’t get. This ‘lets all hold hands and get along’ crap is mirage. Foreign policy will reign in November 2008 and stuttering stammering Hussein will look to the American people like he does to us: maybe someone with a future, but NOT RIGHT NOW.
Good morning everyone seems i can’t post. Again here is the link to the
candles http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=…
Hi there i have been trying to post the link to the candles. It want let me. Go to Hillarys site it is on there
A wonderful blog entry about what we should be doing, especially with the SDs!!!!
h t t p : / / heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/
Lifted from TM, numbers of talk radio call in shows.
here is the call-in radio strategy recommended by the campaign as a result of today’s Maxed Out Women of DC meeting (see Hot Topics).
Dear Maxed-Out Women Friends of Hillary:
It was good to see so many of you this morning all fired up and determined to do
everything in your power to make the push during the closing weeks of the primaries to
ensure that Hillary wins. It’s never been more important. In truth, it’s now or never.
As I mentioned to you, this would be a great time to start calling the talk shows every day
and talking about Hillary. It has been shocking to me to listen to the daily drumbeat of
most of the nationally- syndicated liberal talk shows hosts’ pro-Obama spin. Whether it’s
Ed Schultz or Thom Hartmann or Peter B. Collins or Rachel Maddow, it’s all pretty been
much one sided. Worse, the vast majority of the folks who call in to make comments are
also Obama supporters, many armed with talking points, thus creating constant
cheerleading for him while Hillary goes totally undefended. My husband has said
frequently, “Where are all the women for Hillary?!!” It’s time we counter this Obama
radio juggernaut with our own calls. You can reach literally millions of people by just
calling the shows and telling the host why you are supporting Hillary and why it is
imperative that we elect her as the one best equipped to lead this nation through the
economic storms we are experiencing as well as the foreign policy problems we face.
Some of their audiences are vast. For instance, Ed Schultz, (heard M-F 12-3 pm EST on
the Jones Radio Network) and who fancies himself the Democratic Party’s answer to
Limbaugh and Hannity, has 3.5 million listeners. Thom Hartmann on Air America has
over a million listeners. Warren Ballentine, an African American host on Radio-One and
XM-Satellite Network has about five million listeners. Think how many people you can
reach with just one call.
To get started immediately on this simple, but tremendously effective Hillary Radio
Support Strategy, is to just dial in. Obviously, try and listen to any of the shows at a
convenient time for you—driving to work, driving home, getting dressed in the morning
at home, going to an event at night. I keep my radio dial set to 1260 AM, Progressive
Talk Radio in DC. You can listen daily to Bill Press at from 6-9 am, Lionel from 9-noon,
Ed Schultz from 12-3, Thom Hartmann from 3-6 pm. If you cant listen in your car, listen
on your computer at work. Just go to Google, find their home page and Listen Live or
get the call letters for the station where they are heard in your area. They talk about the
campaign every day, so it’s not like you’re going to be calling to talk about Hillary when
they’re discussing car batteries or water beds. But you should listen for a few minutes
before you call so you can know if they’re talking about the Fed bailing out Bear Stearns
or about the latest casualty figures in Iraq. Make a few notes about the point you’d like to
make so you don’t get distracted by the time you get on, because sometimes you might
have to wait a few minutes because they get many callers. When you get through,
identify yourself and tell the screener you’re a Hillary supporter who would like to make
a comment because you just heard Schultz or whatever host talking about (whether
Hillary should get out…whether she’s electable, etc). Just be yourself. If they think
you’re with the campaign or on some committee of Hillary’s you probably wont get on,
so be who you are– a concerned mother, or concerned businesswoman, or a concerned
doctor, or just a concerned citizen. So, PLEASE, start calling the shows TODAY. Let’s
start with the ones below. These are all liberal hosts and Obama supporters have been
calling in regularly. If you have any questions, please let me know. And also, do let me
know if and when you call one of these shows.
Lionel, Live 9-11 am EST, Air America Radio Network
Call in: 866-710-6883
Ed Schultz, Live noon-3pm EST M-F
Jones Radio Network:
Call in: 701-232-1525, Back up: 701-232-2830
Thom Hartmann, Live noon-3:00 pm EST, Air America Radio Network
Call in: 866-710-6883, Back up: 503-348-6274
Warren Ballentine, (African-American host) Live 10-1 pm EST
Radio-One, XM Satellite Radio Network
Call in 301-918-4971, Backup: 301 918-0567
Show heard in top 5 in all markets Boston, DC, Atlanta (#3 in entire market), Detroit,
Cleveland, Chicago, Seattle, Cincinatti, Miami, Portland, Hartford, Raleigh, Little Rock
(3 stations), Richmond, Columbia, SC, Savannah, Ga and Dophan, AL
Bev Smith, (African-American host) Live 7pm-10 pm, American Urban Radio Network,
Call in: Call in 412-325-4197
Backup: 412-325- 4198
Station affiliates include: WWRL(NYC), WAMO(Pittsburgh), WHAT(Phila.)
Alan Colmes, Live 10:00 pm-1:00 am EST, Fox Radio Network
Call In: 212-372-6413
Back Up: 212-301-5900
Jon Elliott, Live 10 pm-midnight EST, Air America Radio Network
Call in: 888-573-8372
reading oregon news
Eugene, Ore. — KEZI 9 News is working to find out where Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton may appear in Eugene this weekend.
Clinton event at North Eugene High School,
Chelsea will attend the Democratic Party of Oregon platform convention. She’ll be there Saturday, April 12th. The three day convention runs April 11th-13th at the Eugene Hilton.
montana news
hillary is supposed to be in Butte, MT at 5:00 pm on the 5th.
EVERYONE: Send an EMAIL to DONNA BRAZILE & NANCY PELOSSI
Nothing like crashing their server to get people’s attention:
Brazile’s address: info@brazileassociates.com
Pelossi’s address: http://www.speaker.gov; americanvoices@mail.house.gov; sfnancy@mail.house.gov
It’s a scandal that the DNC is allowing Obama to stonewall on counting the votes (or doing a re-vote) in FL and MI. Democrats in the state should not be penalized because the Republican FL & MI legislatures moved up the date of the primary–under what set of parameters is it permissible or justifiable to punish FL & MI democrats for an action over which they had no authority or control? In, Michigan as John Fout points out in “The Street” 4/1/08 (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10410164/1/electability-is-name-of-the-game.html) Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot as part of his campaign’s strategy to focus resources on South Carolina–Clinton was leading by double digits in both states. Florida is completely straight forward–both were on the ballot; Clinton won by a wide margin.
One can only imagine the hue and cry (not to mention the cries of racism) that would be meted out if Obama had been the victor in either of the states and “his” votes not counted. As it is, how can Obama argue that voters can’t be disenfranchised (petitioning a judge to keep Cuyahoga County–an Obama stronghold 2 hrs extra voting time)–EXCEPT WHEN THEY”RE VOTING FOR CLINTON?
Lastly, of course, this tactics are not new to Obama–who secured his first state senate seat by the same kind of underhanded dirty politics.
Read for yourself:
Obama’s Record of Dirty Politics:
Obama Knows His Way around a Ballot by David Jackson & Ray Long, Chicago Tribune (4/3/2007)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?page=1
STILL SEEKING VOLUNTEER BLOGGERS FOR HILLARY!!!!
ANYONE WILLING TO LEAVE ON-LINE COMMENTS IN LOCAL PAPERS FOR UPCOMING PRIMARIES, please contact me at spabeles@patriot.net
We STILL need help in PA; and would like to be able to start laying foundations in NC and IN
This is IMPORTANT work that helps support & inform local opinion. PLEASE HELP!!!
sexism is alive and well
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/15772035/detail.html
Kym L. Worthy, Wayne County Prosecuting Attorney decided to not charge Sen. Debbie Stabenow’s husband for soliciting a prostitute but instead is charging the prostitute.
Let the prosecutor know this double standard is not acceptable
http://www.waynecounty.com/prosecutor/
debbie – not so sure whether it’s sexism, or just a Senator pulling the strings for hubby.
You all–I don’t normally have time to read posts but tonight I happened to see the posts worrying about PA.
I have to tell you I monitor the local papers every day in PA blogging for Hillary.
The bosnia thing was a total non issue. Maybe one or two college campus papers–that’s it.
Wright is HUGE and has legs–but we need to KEEP IT OUT THERE. One of the college papers was claiming it was all “made up by FOX”–someone else said “And his dry cleaners a communist–who cares”
If You’re worried about PA (and the points drop worries me I admit) HELP US!! We’re out there every day really connecting with PA voters & you can do it from the luxury of home! But we need to counter all the media bias!!!
@spega, sounds like a lot of people have heard of Wright and maybe seen the clips, but they don’t really know the details of Obama’s 20-year association with him.
hi hillfans. does obama has this stupid policy on not posing pics with people? i mean every person running all year poses for pics except him. wtf is that all about?
Hey folks, this is good news for Hillary, and it is really encouraging. The DNC ruled today that delegates from MI and FL will be seated on all three standing committees, including the Credentials Committee. When the ruling was questioned, the DNC said that the delegates from their primaries were stripped, but not their representation on the standing committees. If no agreement is reached prior to Denver, this will be helpful.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9350_Page2.html
Funny, long post for tonight – from riverdaughter:
Via Lambert at Corrente I learned the fascinating news that long-time Kossack and Obama fan extraordinaire, Kid Oakland has had a bit of a rude awakening. Our friend KO went to the California Democratic Convention and had an encounter with a Hillary Clinton supporter.
There was a moment that gave me pause. I was having a friendly conversation with three SoCal kossacks in the hallway on Saturday when two Los Angeles-based delegates approached. These women, both experienced delegates and friendly Clinton supporters, were happy to chat about what we had in common: blog reading, support for Debra Bowen, curiosity about the Migden/Leno battle and the 2010 governor’s race. One of the women, wearing a Hillary button, went out of her way to compliment our group of younger delegates (wearing Obama buttons aside from me…a press pass guy) for attending the convention. I asked her if she read DailyKos and she replied curtly:
“I’m on strike from that blog.”
That surprised me. I’ve met thousands of kossacks whether at Las Vegas or Chicago or events here in California, and I’ve never once had a negative experience asking if someone reads DailyKos. In fact, I’ve met people who disagree with me vigorously online who were completely cordial and friendly in person…. That’s what struck me with that comment. I think we’ve all got to take a step back and think about that for a second. This was a woman who was cordial and welcoming and yet she felt estranged from DailyKos. The strike shut down the conversation.
Oh really? That surprised you? How very interesting. Kid Oakland is now very very concerned about those Clinton supporters whom the Obamadroids at DK treated so dismissively. Now that he sees they are actual human beings with actual votes and sometimes actual power within the Democratic party, he wonders how they can be brought back into the fold and induced to support the nominee, who of course will be Obama. Anything else is out of the question. But, KO wonders, can we do to patch things up with these really terrific people?
But, clearly, Senator Clinton, for as much as the facts on the ground and the party leadership have lined up against her, has the bedrock support of some of the most experienced activists in the Democratic base.
Obama and the Party need every last one of those activists. Dailykos does too. And we need them sooner rather than later. There is so much at stake in 2008. There’s too much at stake to be divided going into Denver. My concluding thought coming from San Jose is this. Obama needs to solidify his coalition. He needs to win over doubting Democrats and include those who have yet to feel fully included. To win, Barack Obama will need every last experienced activist the Democratic party can muster and those experienced activists need to feel utilized and included as respected equals.
Oh dear. Yes, KO, we tried to tell you and Kos and all the other Clinton abusers that you were pushing things a bit too far, but you just wouldn’t listen, would you?
KO continues:
Senator Clinton is in a powerful position. Her supporters are among the best activists the Democratic Party has. I do not doubt that every last Clinton activist in the party will work for the nominee. The question is when that will happen, not whether they will support the nominee.
Oh really?
Yes, Conflucians, finally, the chickens are coming home to roost. This diary from KO also gives us a clue as to why Nancy Pelosi suddenly realized she’d better not be quite so obvious in her Obama support and flip flopped on her view of the superdelegates’ roles.
here’s the link: riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/well-well-well-isnt-this-interesting/
You know what, something i remembered last night just hit me.
All of Edwards and Obama’s supporters before TT were going, they must both stay in until the convention and force a brokered convention, there was none of this, she must pull out now business that we are getting now. It was a lets force a brokered convention. They were pushing in the very early days a brokered convention to take Clinton down.
My how times have changed.
Another thing Bambi was stupid in, Rev Wright pissing of the Sons of Italy, who have amongst their members, some very big mafioso.
Not the cleverest of routes to take, puissing off the entire real life cast of Goodfellas, if you get my meaning.
I know edwards wants to get back at Kerry but the question is how? Endorse hillary! Two stones in one shot, stab Kerry with the vote and Help a women that deserves all the delegates! I wish we could hit him in the head with this.
hi spega: I will be in there both as a campaign volunteer and as member of the legal team. Western PA arrive a week early. FYI
winhillary I know edwards wants to get back at Kerry but the question is how? Endorse hillary! Two stones in one shot, stab Kerry with the vote and Help a women that deserves all the delegates! I wish we could hit him in the head with this.
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four stones possibly: 3. universal health care 4. cure poverty. Q: do you know off hand how many delegates je is holding? I have a vague recollection it was like 25. But what about those Barry stole in Iowa?
WBBoei
Glad I came back before packing it in for the night.
Wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed, and learned from your memorandum to Nancy Pelosi.
Really fine writing.
jpost-really bad article for obama i did not know he supported this post birth abortion stuff that is outlawed by congress. horrifying. and who wrote it-jewish gop cmte. we havent a prayer with obama.
http://www.jpost.com /servlet/Satellite?cid=1207159750412&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Thanks so much. I appreciate your comments and always learn from them as well. Let us hope Nancy is educable and finds the courage to do the right thing here. In the last 48 hours she seems to be moving in the right direction, however tentatively. If they can Dean alot of things could improve.
I am still suspicious – and wonder what is lighting this fire under ol’ Nancy and Howard…
WBB
Here are the Iowa #s.
Obama gained 9 delegates, one from Hill. So he picked up 8 of JE’s out of JE’s original 14…he now has 25, HRC has 14.
Thoughts on the Nancy/Howie waltz: I think it is a combination of voter pushback rage, plus some public spankings from people like Bill Press, Cleaver, even Lou Dobbs.
Dobbs was practically laughing at Bill Schneider’s pathetic blather-as-usual re not going to the convention disunited and the damage Dems were doing to themselves…in addition to the usual head-shaking.
And the animosity toward Gloria Borger is reaching a level I don’t believe she can just shrug off at this point…she has become a Botoxed laughing stock.
KO and the Kossacks can kiss my ass. We were telling them months ago: you will NEED us come November, and if you keep sneering at and brutally trashing both us and our candidate, it won’t happen. I was actually TOLD by several Obamabots over there that this was fine with them, they could win without us.
Well, they can try.
I also remember multiple blogs on DailyKos saying that Edwards should stay in to keep pulling white votes from Hillary, wait until the convention, and throw all his delegates to Obama in a brokered fight. None of those jerks were worried about a brokered convention killing our unity THEN.
Emjay,
I don’t know Lexis, the TalkLeft poster did that.
Wish I had the capability of working up a page on this Tuzla thing that starts with the more solid facts and works out from there and then sees how they fit together. And later if ever gets into parsing various of Hillary’s quotes.
For context, I suppose something to explain there were more than one stop, the performers and some other commentators did not go to all the places, the video was taken at the less dangerous place.
Like, a picture from the film clip with arrows pointing to various items and quotes from miliatry as to what they are and what they indicate: soldiers in helmets, in padded armour, building barricded with sandbags, Hillary in a padded jacket — and the soldiers are all TURNED THE OTHER WAY, watching the perimeter.
Quotes from military people as to those still being combat zones etc. Quotes as to the kind of plane, the escort aircraft, etc.
Quotes from military as to what briefing and intructions were given Hillary and the other passengers. Armoured cockpit, told to sit on their padded vests, etc.
Maybe some questions to indicate what’s still inconclusive. Like, was it the same pilot the whole time?
The point being to establish there were some seriuos, dangerous situations, on this trip, and there were 80+ trips — or were most of the other trips peaceful? I don’t know what the ‘misspoke’ consisted of; perhaps placing some details in Tuzla that really happened somewhere else?
@spega – a better address for donna brazile is donna@brazileassociates.com
Ad Wars: McCain Returns Clinton’s ‘3 A.M.’ Phone Call
elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/03/clinton-recycles-3-am-ad-in-pennsylvania-gives-it-economic-spin/
Who’s got the nitty gritty on what this DNC ruling on FLA delegates really means?
I’m so busy don’t have time to read up right now, but I’m assuming that somewhere in the fine print is some Brazille/Deam/Obamatreachery that no one is talking about.
I’m also assuming it means they’d become very concerned with short-circuiting Hill’s argument about disenfranchising voters.
Good morning fdrjim,
I gotta get outta here but noticed you posted last night about a Florida delegates contact list.
Are you sharing it? if so could you send it to;
hilaryhawke @ mhcable dot com?
ALL,
Here’s a link to the report I heard yesterday that Dean was reserving hotel rooms in Denver for the Florida and Michigan delegates.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/32423.html
@basil9 – are you requesting a list of FL delegates or the list of the members on the Rules & Bylaws committee?
You guys may already know about his – but another Bambi lie:
http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/03/31/obamas-campaign-caught-misleading-voters-about-1996-questionnaire
FDR,
Sorry,
The Rules and Bylaws Committee.
Thanks.
@basil9 – sending now
1950democrat Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:33 am
Emjay,
I don’t know Lexis, the TalkLeft poster did that.
Wish I had the capability of working up a page on this Tuzla thing that starts with the more solid facts and works out from there and then sees how they fit together. And later if ever gets into parsing various of Hillary’s quotes.
For context, I suppose something to explain there were more than one stop, the performers and some other commentators did not go to all the places, the video was taken at the less dangerous place.
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send it to mediamatters and ask them to correct the perception.
@spega
where in PA are you? I lived in Pittsburgh and hold great affection for it. Im phone banking but do you know if there is any thing else we can do? Im considering a trip there to door knock or do more….
@ronald – if you’re interested in going to Scranton – I have a contact that is a field director up there – let me know
@fdrjim-
Thx
I’d go to Pittsburgh if I make the trip but I need to have an agenda. Phone banking I can do from home. I live in Boston now…
# shenanigans Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:59 am
Ann & PM, here is the info on Cook County.
http://www.voterinfonet.com/results/020508/SummaryReport.pdf
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Those numbers about Cook county Obama lead being 429,000 are wrong. Thanks for the info.
@Ronald,
I have the name and the contact person coordinating NE (I live in Boston, too) volunteers for PA. there is a particular area that boston folks have “adopted.” they will have you do canvassing. Did it in OH. REally makes a difference. Let me know if you want to be put in touch with campaign folks.
@ Ann-
I think Im in touch with Kathleen from the NE campaign. Who is coordinating the volunteers?
rbalass@yahoo.com
Linfar, Universal, and others from mydd, pl. respond to this?
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# spega Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 am
STILL SEEKING VOLUNTEER BLOGGERS FOR HILLARY!!!!
ANYONE WILLING TO LEAVE ON-LINE COMMENTS IN LOCAL PAPERS FOR UPCOMING PRIMARIES, please contact me at spabeles@patriot.net
We STILL need help in PA; and would like to be able to start laying foundations in NC and IN
This is IMPORTANT work that helps support & inform local opinion. PLEASE HELP!!!
Good Morning Everyone!
Not sure if this got posted over here yet. All New Yorkers and all that can go to New York please support this protest. Thank you!
———————————-Hillary Clinton Supporters Taking Action!!!
Attn: All media organizations
Re: Hillary Supporters Demonstration
When: April 11th at 8:00am
Where: Rockefeller plaza, NYC
Why: We are all very passionate Hillary Clinton supporters that demand to be heard for Hillary! We refuse to stand by and watch this election become corrupt and unfair!!
“It Takes A Village…” and we are Hillary’s Village!
We have three main reasons for this demonstration:
1. We want the country to know we are fed up with the biased/sexist media coverage against our candidate Hillary Clinton!
2. We demand that the DNC allow Florida and Michigan votes to be counted.
3. We demand the media STOP saying Hillary should quit the race.
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Where did everyone go??? Spacegirl,Hawk and Idunn???
Idunn is sick and her mother-in-law is visiting. Hawk was on spring break, not sure where he is now. Spacegirl was here two days ago, maybe busy.
Thanks mj
@spega Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 am
I took your letter? up thread and added to it and sent it to pelosi,brazille,& Dean
here is my letter, anyone can feel free to use as your own if you like
To Whom It May Concern:
It’s a scandal that the DNC is allowing Barack Obama to stonewall on counting the votes (or doing a re-vote) in FL and MI. Democrats in the state should not be penalized because the Republican FL & MI legislatures moved up the date of the primary–under what set of parameters is it permissible or justifiable to punish FL & MI democrats for an action over which they had no authority or control? In, Michigan as John Fout points out in “The Street” 4/1/08 (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10410164/1/electability-is-name-of-the-game.html) Barack Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot as part of his campaign’s strategy to focus resources on South Carolina–Clinton was leading by double digits in both states. Florida is completely straight forward–both were on the ballot; Clinton won by a wide margin and neither campaigned in florida,unless you count that Obama had Ad’s running in florida!!
One can only imagine the hue and cry (not to mention the cries of racism) that would be meted out if Obama had been the victor in either of the states and “his” votes not counted. As it is, how can Obama argue that voters can’t be disenfranchised (petitioning a judge to keep Cuyahoga County–an Obama stronghold 2 hrs extra voting time)–EXCEPT WHEN THEY”RE VOTING FOR CLINTON?
Lastly, of course, this tactics are not new to Obama–who secured his first state senate seat by the same kind of underhanded dirty politics.
Read for yourself:
Obama’s Record of Dirty Politics:
Obama Knows His Way around a Ballot by David Jackson & Ray Long, Chicago Tribune (4/3/2007)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?page=1
I do support Senator Clinton , But should she not be the Democratic party nominee, I am extremely positive i won’t be voting for Barack Obama now or in a GE. There are many reasons I am fully prepared to vote for Ralph Nadar or some other “party” & Mc Cain is looking much better to me as well than Obama .
Some of those reasons are:
1.Rev Wright ,trinity churches black theology , supporting Farrakhan and hamus and the whole obama’s 20 year relationship etc.
2 Million man march with Farrakhan which was organized and participated by in front and center by Barack Obama
3. His relationship with William Ayers/weather underground
4. His long and complicated relationship with Antoine “Tony” Rezko
5. His arrogances are trouble some and should not be a trait of a world leader’s image
6. He supports Nuclear energy and protects them
7. Although he say’s he’s Patriotic, I don’t see evidence of that
8. He’s been lying about many things ( I want and need a president I can TRUST)
9. He lacks Economic and Foreign policy expierence
10. His support of his brother “Ondinga, his lack of denouncing and rejecting what odinga supporters did in Kenya
11. he can’t admit he takes special interests money
12. there IS plenty of evidence that he is a muslim, being muslim alone does not bother me, but lying about it, trying to hide it does
13 His manipulating the FEC committee (lack of one, lack of control on finances)
14. It’s apparent that his wife Michelle also shares these above things with him and she is not “first lady of the usa” material.
Well those are a few among many reasons I and others will not be voting for Barack Obama should he become the Dem party nominee
Those listed above are also reasons that if he is YOUR nominee as to why I also will NOT BE DONATING to Obama or the DNC.
I am sure your aware that at least 29% of Clinton Supporters agree with me, as I am sure there are still a Good Portion of John Edwards supporters that will
Follow suit; and by fall that percentage will be greater, trust me, you know what I say is true.
John Edwards and Hillary Clinton base support is the “CORE DEMOCRATS” Can you afford to alienate and loose them ??
Do you really think Barack Obama’s “new” supporters (manly young college kids and African Am and Republican cross over votes) will be enough? Or even show up?
Well We certainly don’t think so. You should rethink Fl and MI…..it is not enough to seat those delegates “after a nominee” that is still vote stealing, election rigging
And will not be looked at any other way. Those Delegates NEED to be seated “PRIOR” to nominee selection.
Sincerely,
@spega Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 am
I took your letter? up thread and added to it and sent it to pelosi,brazille,& Dean
here is my letter, anyone can feel free to use as your own if you like
To Whom It May Concern:
It’s a scandal that the DNC is allowing Barack Obama to stonewall on counting the votes (or doing a re-vote) in FL and MI. Democrats in the state should not be penalized because the Republican FL & MI legislatures moved up the date of the primary–under what set of parameters is it permissible or justifiable to punish FL & MI democrats for an action over which they had no authority or control? In, Michigan as John Fout points out in “The Street” 4/1/08 (thestreet.com/story/10410164/1/electability-is-name-of-the-game.html) Barack Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot as part of his campaign’s strategy to focus resources on South Carolina–Clinton was leading by double digits in both states. Florida is completely straight forward–both were on the ballot; Clinton won by a wide margin and neither campaigned in florida,unless you count that Obama had Ad’s running in florida!!
One can only imagine the hue and cry (not to mention the cries of racism) that would be meted out if Obama had been the victor in either of the states and “his” votes not counted. As it is, how can Obama argue that voters can’t be disenfranchised (petitioning a judge to keep Cuyahoga County–an Obama stronghold 2 hrs extra voting time)–EXCEPT WHEN THEY”RE VOTING FOR CLINTON?
Lastly, of course, this tactics are not new to Obama–who secured his first state senate seat by the same kind of underhanded dirty politics.
Read for yourself:
Obama’s Record of Dirty Politics:
Obama Knows His Way around a Ballot by David Jackson & Ray Long, Chicago Tribune (4/3/2007)
chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?page=1
I do support Senator Clinton , But should she not be the Democratic party nominee, I am extremely positive i won’t be voting for Barack Obama now or in a GE. There are many reasons I am fully prepared to vote for Ralph Nadar or some other “party” & Mc Cain is looking much better to me as well than Obama .
Some of those reasons are:
1.Rev Wright ,trinity churches black theology , supporting Farrakhan and hamus and the whole obama’s 20 year relationship etc.
2 Million man march with Farrakhan which was organized and participated by in front and center by Barack Obama
3. His relationship with William Ayers/weather underground
4. His long and complicated relationship with Antoine “Tony” Rezko
5. His arrogances are trouble some and should not be a trait of a world leader’s image
6. He supports Nuclear energy and protects them
7. Although he say’s he’s Patriotic, I don’t see evidence of that
8. He’s been lying about many things ( I want and need a president I can TRUST)
9. He lacks Economic and Foreign policy expierence
10. His support of his brother “Ondinga, his lack of denouncing and rejecting what odinga supporters did in Kenya
11. he can’t admit he takes special interests money
12. there IS plenty of evidence that he is a muslim, being muslim alone does not bother me, but lying about it, trying to hide it does
13 His manipulating the FEC committee (lack of one, lack of control on finances)
14. It’s apparent that his wife Michelle also shares these above things with him and she is not “first lady of the usa” material.
Well those are a few among many reasons I and others will not be voting for Barack Obama should he become the Dem party nominee
Those listed above are also reasons that if he is YOUR nominee as to why I also will NOT BE DONATING to Obama or the DNC.
I am sure your aware that at least 29% of Clinton Supporters agree with me, as I am sure there are still a Good Portion of John Edwards supporters that will
Follow suit; and by fall that percentage will be greater, trust me, you know what I say is true.
John Edwards and Hillary Clinton base support is the “CORE DEMOCRATS” Can you afford to alienate and loose them ??
Do you really think Barack Obama’s “new” supporters (manly young college kids and African Am and Republican cross over votes) will be enough? Or even show up?
Well We certainly don’t think so. You should rethink Fl and MI…..it is not enough to seat those delegates “after a nominee” that is still vote stealing, election rigging
And will not be looked at any other way. Those Delegates NEED to be seated “PRIOR” to nominee selection.
Sincerely,
Check this out.
Democrat presidential front-runner Barack Obama not only marched with Nation of Islam Founder Louis Farrakhan in the first Million Man March on Washington, D.C., but he helped organize the 1995 event!
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/04/02/obama-organized-farrakhans-million-man-march/
Fuel for the fire
http://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
Gosh that was fast! DB wrote me this in response.
“Thanks for your email, but this is not up to Obama or Clinton. This is up to Florida officials and the DNC. We hope the candidates will agree to a formula once it is announced.
You can save yourself some time by encouraging everyone to sing from the same hymn book.”
“You can save yourself some time by encouraging everyone to sing from the same hymn book.”
Why does she not see how infuriatingly condescending that is?
Every statement from the insider Dems reeks of condescension towards the voters.
djia-
maybe she’s reading this blog???
here is my response to DB
Ms. Brazil
I understand what your position is, I am aware that you DO support Barack Obama. I am also aware your in a difficult position as are others.
I will not just dutifully fall in line because the Elite wish it.
I will be encouraging others to sing from the same hymm book, it just will not be the hymm you would like us to sing.
My position as many others has not and will not change.
Ronald , I am sure they all read this blog
# plural Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 am
“You can save yourself some time by encouraging everyone to sing from the same hymn book.”
Why does she not see how infuriatingly condescending that is?
Every statement from the insider Dems reeks of condescension towards the voters.
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I totally agree!!
It’s like Pat Leahy sneering at Hillary and not realizing how offensive that is — towards her — and towards the millions of people who voted for her.
Brazile hates hillary. I would really caution against writing her. She’s not to be trusted at all.
mj Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:37 am
Brazile hates hillary. I would really caution against writing her. She’s not to be trusted at all.
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Agreed, but, I feel the more we do write them the more the message pounds in that they will not change our minds
and they WILL have a HUGE PROBLEM in the fall
Brazile does not give a damn. I’m telling you, She doesn’t care.
Leahy, Kerry, Kennedy, and Daschle have shown themselves to be sexist and condescending jerks, regarding their dismissive and terrible behavior towards Hillary and her supporters. I don’t know, how they can look at themselves in the mirror, for all the lies and distortions of the truth, they have uttered during this rigged primary.
As far as DB, her hymm book is all about BO. So, as long as we sing the praises of BO, we are fine. I don’t agree with this, and will leave the party, if this primary does not play out. The dems cannot win this election without the people that support Hillary. To dismiss her supporters, is a big mistake.
well i think at one time she did care: from her blog donnabrazile.com/viewBlog.cfm?id=68
“An election with integrity is one that includes all eligible and only eligible voters. While it is important to prevent and discourage any fraudulent and deceptive practices, our most urgent call today must be the systematic removal of all structural and political barriers that prevent eligible citizens from participating in their own government. ”
Perhaps she needs to be reminded what she wrote about
@ronald – getting a contact name for you from the campaign for Pittsburgh – are you interested in going there?
Obama Continues to Expand Fundraising Gap Over Clinton
by FOXNews.com
elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/03/obama-continues-to-expand-fundraising-gap-over-clinton/
fdrjim-
sure! thx! I cant commit yet but I will keep the info on hand in case I am able to go next week.
Also, I realized a good way to find out about events to participate in PA:
CHECK THE HILLARYCLINTON.COM WEB PAGE under local events.
looks like there is a lot going on in Pgh! which is great!
Amazing. She wins the two big states this month and 3 of 6 contests, and she can not catch up with him in fundraising.
This video of Hillary on the economy is stunning — she is so knowledgeable:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23925313#23925313
re: fundraising. Hard to beat Oprah’s reach. we have to keep giving.
mj
I have been hearing that Obama camp is calling people asking for donations at first I thought it sounded like a scam as a way to get someones credit card numbers, but not so sure any more. I read on one Philly blog some one called this guy asking for a donation to bambi and he said he does not donate to political campaigns and the lady got rude and hung up on him. The rude part makes me think it just may be his campaign doing it or organizing groups to do it for him.
I ask my FL activists to do one thing each day – here’s the action item for today:
Senator Patrick Leahy – send in the mail a letter expressing disgust at his call to end the race. Back that up with a corresponding email.
“As an elected official, he should understand how important the voices of voters are – that’s what got him to where he is today. To call for the primary race to end, for Hillary to abandon her efforts, is self-motivated to ensure his obvious choice for the presidential nomination is assured. As an elected official, put in office my voters in his State, he should be very concerned about the disenfranchisement of Florida voters – almost 2 million democrats that voiced their choice in the January 29th primary set by the Florida Legislature.
As Florida Democrats, we see through the veneer of your call to end the primary race as self-serving. We can only postulate that the longer this race continues, the worse it becomes for your choice for the democratic presidential nominee. What is paramount is that the votes of all voters be counted and the delegates be seated. To nominate a presidential candidate to represent the United State without representing the ENTIRE United State is contrary democratic principles. Be a true leader and help ensure the Florida’s votes are counted and its delegates seated.”
Address:
Senator Patrick Leahy
Room 433
Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
202/224-4242
senator_leahy at leahy dot senate dot gov
Volunteering in PA – go to this link – http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/voltravel/?sc=3 – someone will be in contact with you – tell them where you want to go volunteer – housing is available
If 4000 people bundled 5k dollars, we could raise 20 million.
if they are making contribuation calls like phone banking and say out of every 20 people if they just hit 2 or 3 Kool aid drinkers that could account for the huge difference we have been seeing
fdrjim,
Great job!
Best to fax Senators and reps – the security in the congressional mail office holds up snail mail for weeks!
I just emailed ms. Brazile and N Pelosi.
Spega, I emailed you re blogging for Hill. I got the info from http://www.taylormarsh.com
Please send me a list of articles/papers that you would like us to comment on. or send via email.
In addition, they are asking us to call in to the liberal talk shows. Write your points down and don’t let them distract you, stand your ground and emphatically state why you are a committed Hillary supporter.
Just a thought…….
I could go to PA, just need transportation
Is there a way to organize transportation for people who would love to go walk the streets of PA or any other state that can’t afford the transportation to and from??
(probably from those who have maxed on donations already but would like to and can afford to do more)
ride shares
donated air line tickets
gas money donations
I have noticed the fear is now part of the election and campaign process.After viewing the ranting and ravings of preacher Wright and the reluctance of the general public to speak out in protest,I realize that OBAMA new what was coming and asked for Secret Service coverage.He Knew that there would be outrage when HE introduced the serious and effective weapon of silence to his opposition “THE RACE CARD”.We concerned democrats are backing Hillary,while the devious Chicago style wardheeler is WALKING on the backs of his supporters and the many Naive young and inexperienced idolaters are intoxicated with the Koolade supplied by the MSM.WHAT a scenario for the world to ridicule and exploit. Remember folks it is our country,not that of the REPUBLICAN FAT CATS. As long as they can hire the has beens like HOT LEGS MATTHEWS ,KEITH DOBERMANN,MIKA BE A STARLET and SWALLOWED TOO MANY CORKS RUSSERT,The election process is a mine field and a threat to all honorable people.I always close with these words for our Hillary.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
By a 90 yr old male,wwII vet and very very ANGRY. ABM90
Guys, I really believe we could make the fundraising difference. We need to think of every way possible to raise more dollars.
Here is my quick reply from Donna Brazile. I fired one back to her. Even though she is clearly for Obama, I do feel that we should keep the pressure up and bombard her with email. At least she will know that we are a committed base and we will not be patted down.
Off to snail mail my letter to Leahy. I emailed him but it bounced back. Can you check the validity of that address?
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I believe everyone is working hard – starting with officials in Florida who made the bold and stupid move to disenfranchise their own citizens. They knew the rules and the consequences. This is not about Obama and Clinton. So do not stoke flames. They both signed pledges and I will not bend for one and not the other.
Off to Louisiana to see my family
@dija – where are you located – I can get you transportation -
@tiburones- email for leahy – senator_leahy@leahy dot senate dot gov
# fdrjim Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
@dija – where are you located – I can get you transportation -
cool
I would be interested in talking to you more about this…
I am in northwest iowa, The Great Lakes, Lake okoboji area, near both worthington mn and sioux falls Sd
desmoines is about 3 hours south east of me.
here is my throw away email addy for first contact purposes luvcowboys63@yahoo.com
please put a hillis44 note in subject line so i know its you
djia, are you all doing anything to get those Edwards delegates who switched to BO to switch back to Hill?
ohhhh i must have struck a cord with DB!!
I just got 2 emails from her LOL
1st one:
I have not endorsed. So, please do not assume a thing about my conscience but I can honestly say this: no one who provoke this kind of anger in voters deserves to be President.
Honestly, I am so tired of Hillary’s supporters and I believe the vast right wing is also behind these rants.
Do you know how many undeclared supers are now just turned off by people like you? Do you understand you’re hurting her and not promoting Hillary? Perhaps that explains why a candidate like Obama has raised $40 million in one month. You don’t have to email me again.
I am not worthy of your anger or rants. Besides, I head home to Louisiana and I get enough from my own hard working friends and family members.
2nd one:
I just sent Hillary a private email telling her that supporters like you are destroying her candidacy.
# mj Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
djia, are you all doing anything to get those Edwards delegates who switched to BO to switch back to Hill?
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I was a edwards delegate who switched
Well, please for god’s sake, I’m asking you stop contacting this women. She’s cherry picking everything you say and sending it to SD’s. Please, this is not helping.
but djia, Obma gained nine of Edwards 14 delegates at the last Iowa convention?
Please stay civil and professional. The BO supporters are bad enough, without Hillary supporters adding fuel, to the fire.
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# mj Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
but djia, Obma gained nine of Edwards 14 delegates at the last Iowa convention?
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I was a JRE delegate, i switched to support Hillary
Brdgal: I have been civil, those are donna’s emails to me!
Good afternoon all. I was just reading up the thread.
I must say I agree with Birdgal. Donna Brazile, like her or not, is one tough lady. She is much more interested in an open to speaking to questions of process. Bashing, accusing, blaming will not go over with her AT ALL. And, REMEMBER, when and if Hillary gets the nomination, Brazile will fight for her too. She is like that. We cannot totally gut punch all the time. As birdgal says, we will sound more like Republicans or MSM or the netroots campaign folks if we scream.
Be polite, be civil. As I said last night, Donna is a Bees-to-honey person, not a bees-to-vinegar one.
good morn/afternoon everyone – well an otherwise, nice night for me turned bad when I found my new car vandalized (though not horribly) – and truly, I suspect it was b/c of my Hillary bumper sticker. Witnesses saw 19yrs old-ish kids do the damage – they did nothing else to anyone else’s car in the area.
On the brighter side, cherry picked this out of the TM posters:
Not sure if anyone say Russert on Morning Joe this morning but he crunched the numbers and went thru the electoral college for the General and what he said was interesting.
He showed very easily the path McCain plans to go to get the 270.
He showed very easily the path Clinton got to 270.
And then he showed this absolutely wild ride that Obama needed to get just to get a dead tie with McCain at 269 or one short of 270.
Then Joe said if McCain gets Romney as VP, it pretty much takes Obamas map right out of the mix.
Very very interesting stuff.
TheRizzo | 04.03.2008 – 11:16 am | #
djia, saying he’s a muslim or complaining to an african american woman about the million man march, honestly, is not helpful. There is no reason to contact her. She hates Hill. She will use anything you say against Hill.
djia, we need to convince more Edwards delegates to go with Hill, those who swiched to BO.
Did she really say this:
“no one who provoke this kind of anger in voters deserves to be President.”
That would exclude every candidate who’s ever run or been elected.
It’s absurd.
dija:
Okay. From the tone of hers, it sounded like, the language might have been inflammatory. I guess, she hasn’t heard the vitrolic hatred from the media and Obama supporters towards Hillary.
If Hillary supporters can express themselves without the hatred of the Obama supporters, it looks better for Hillary. Some of the garbage out there is astoundingly bad.
It ain’t over ’till Donna Brazille sings.
Good moring all- UPDATE!!
Linfar was restored to user status at mydd this morning!!!!
Shout Out : Thank You to everyone who recommended the diary over there called “the Disappeared”
You did it!!!!
But I agree — don’t contact her. It won’t change her mind.
I think though it’s bizarre of her to complain to Hillary about supporters. What’s she supposed to do, have a headcount and purge people?
Two thoughts:
First, mj is right. Dont send it to DB. Its like the old saw about why you should not whistle to pigs–which is not to suggest she is one. The reason is because pigs dont listen and it will only annoy them. Be tactical about it. Rather that give the adversary your battle plan blind them before you
attack. Just a thought.
Second, tcbequalityactions the idea of a media rally like that is right. But I really think it would be best to consult with NOW, Emilys List and other organizations who know how to effectively orchestrate a public relations event of this nature. You have the right idea and the right sense of venue and timing. there but the challenge will be to make sure they get noticed and that they are memorable.
Q: what is the legitimate role of the media in a free society, how was in practiced in the era of murrow, croncite et al, how has it changed now, what explains this desent from objective reporting to tabloid journalism to naked attempts to corrupt the political system and to what ultimate end?, Then the evidence. An academic paper like that to back it up. The idea would be to make it more than just a political event but to addess something that has mega political implications
Third, I think I am beginning to find my voice on an effective line of argument to supers, and I will be working on it for the next several days.
I agree that contacting Brazile at this point only gives her talkng points. Even contacting her gives her credit and face. She is a disgrace. She should be shunned for what she is: an Obama shill who will not own it and is using every trick in the book to back Obama.
mj…You say Donna hates Hillary. I don’t believe that. I believe she hates the people in her campaign, although hate is rather strong. I DO agree that the response about “provoking anger” does not deserve to be President is stupid…and over the top. But I don’t believe throwing in all the stereotypical Farakhan and Million Man March thing is helpful to Hillary AT ALL & smacks a little to Donna of a racist remark. I believe that is why she mentioned something about the RWC.
Journalism as Murrow knew it–and even Cronkite–went out the door when the fairness doctrine was ousted. We need it back desperately. Hillary understands this and was in fact a founder of Media Matters. She knows the power of the press bdtter than anyone.
Rhandi Roads was down here for years and her ratings were marginal at best. She use to follow Neal Rogers, along time popular host . I listened to her all the time on Air America until I realized she was another obama drone….Remember, her audience is very limited and very extreme.
Nothing really new down here about the delegates.
I don’t care if Donna hates Hillary or only those in her campaign or if she doesn’t like little doggies–she is in a position of power and she is using it to thwart Hillary and back BO. She is not one of the good guys!! You are only feeding her! She needs to be upstaged. Wew need to isolate her, make her meaningless, go over her head and around her. Brazile is Out!!!!
Maybe we should use this kid to get the Michigan delegates seated, he can probably outsmart the DNC too.
Michigan Fifth-Grader Finds 27-Year-Old Mistake at Smithsonian Science Museum
Thursday, April 03, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345488,00.html
Rush is just laughing as he announced that Jane Fonda has just endorsed Obama. he said, oh no, this must be a stunt for Hillary! There go the crossover votes!
Rush also said that one doesn’t know who to believe, Bill C or Bill R as Bill R lied on his resume for years saying that he was once drafted or offered a position with one of the major baseball teams. Years later, he was challenged and responded that someone had told him that.
This just reinforces the image of JUDAS!
To the conversation yesterday and today, a Fonda endorsement is not considered good. The Indies, Repubs and national security voters will be turned off. I hope that this endorsement goes wide and far.
Exacxtly, Linfar, and I have shared a communicate with Brazile. Believe what you like, but she strongly dislikes Hill. Please, just stop contacting her.
• mj Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
djia, saying he’s a muslim or complaining to an african american woman about the million man march, honestly, is not helpful. There is no reason to contact her. She hates Hill. She will use anything you say against Hill.
djia, we need to convince more Edwards delegates to go with Hill, those who swiched to BO.
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MJ, your right, it was a letter I sent to all three, didn’t think about BD being AA, I guess because I don’t think at all in racial terms I over looked that
I believe at the district convention on april 22nd you will see some slide towards hillary over barrack, they will have had more time to think about him more.
tiburones: Where on marsh do you vote?
Let’s see, BO has received the endorsements of: Farrakan, Fonda, and the NBPP. Nice.
Linfar, FWIW
I was in favor of a return of the fairness doctrine until THIS election. I see little difference in what spews from the mouth of Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh and Dick Morris than what spews from the mouth of Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd. They are EXACTLY the same now. Where’s the beef?
Alas, that we COULD get back to Cronkite, Huntley & Brinkley. Your best bet is News Hour these days. Even Shep Smith does the NEWS for an hour on Fox. Not so anywhere else. It’s pathetic on all sides, IMO.
ok guys, i admit i should maybe of used a bit better judgment on the MM march
I have never contacted her before and will no longer contact her again,
“note to self” Ignore BD
O.K. folks. Lunch is over, time to work! But not before i go buy a new printer cartridge. 15 cents worth of plastic and black oil and water for $25.00.
Gotta love American capitalism.
I’ll check in this evening.
Keep up the good fight. There is a LOT positive we can do for Hillary, for democracy and for the voters. Let’s do that.
See, this is what Brazile is all about:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/15/17261/4418
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is scheduled to be a guest on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” and conduct a fundraiser in Beverly Hills tonight.
Hillary Clinton will be going on the air in North Carolina tomorrow with a 60-second ad, “Ask Me,” that makes an economic pitch. The ad is her first in the state.
Barack Obama’s latest spot that focuses on the middle-class squeeze — “For Decades” — hit the air in Pennsylvania today. The 30-second ad debuted in Indiana last week, and is already on the air in North Carolina.
GREAT LIST OF RECENT AND OLD LIES FROM SAINT OBAMA!
mrssatan.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-hussein-obamas-many-sins-and.html
While the latest Quinnipiac poll showed Clinton’s lead being trimmed in Pennsylvania, the survey also seemed to buttress her argument that she would be the stronger Democrat in the general election campaign against the presumed Republican candidate, Senator John McCain.
Pollster Peter Brown tells VOA that Clinton runs stronger against McCain than Obama does in three key states.
“What is clear here is that, at least for now, Senator Clinton’s argument that she is the better general election candidate appears to have some validity,” he said. “We poll Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio, because no one has won the White House since 1960 without winning two of those three. She runs much better that Senator Obama does against Senator McCain in each of those states.”
While I’m at that Beverly Hills Clinton fundraiser tonight – ironicly this is what is happening not too far away at the University – with the following guest speakers – wish I could attend both (edited for apropo-ness) :
Susan Faludi is author of …..Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women, which won the 1992 National Book Critics Circle Award for Nonfiction…
Moderated by journalist Laura Flanders, host of Radio Nation on Air America and author of …. Media Minority: The Cost of Sidelining Women in Reporting.
Air America : Randy Rhodes’ Tirade against Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro
Yesterday, we thought the article by Martha Devine was the worst thing we had ever seen negative about Senator Clinton. But, Randy Rhodes has taken negative bashing to an entirely new level. Besides the extreme vulgar and offensive language she uses, it is more hurtful because she is supposed to be on OUR SIDE – DEMOCRATS!
We can not stand by and allow Randy Rhodes to go unaccountable for her comments about Senator Clinton and women in general.
Warning this video contain offensive language.
Watch here. youtube.com/watch?v=DfdhWi5MILo)
Send comments directly to Randy Rhodes – rrhodes@airamericaradio.com
Send comments to Air America here – comments@airamericaradio.com and online here.
@Ininla
Lucky you!!
yes
– I’ll report back tomorrow re: who the performer(s) was!
Randy Rhodes was suspended article up at huffpo
Obama was ‘quite
religious in Islam’
Contemporaries, records dispute campaign
claim that he was never ‘practicing Muslim’
worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
JERUSALEM – Was Sen. Barack Obama a Muslim? Did he ever practice Islam?
The presidential candidate officially rejects the claims, but the issue of Obama’s personal faith has re-emerged amid conflicting accounts of his enrollment as a Muslim during elementary school in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation.
Widely distributed reports have noted in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as “L Soetoro Ma,” worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.
Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students, but exempt them from studying religion. Obama’s school documents, though, wrongly list him as being Indonesian.
After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled – also as a Muslim, according to documents – in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.
(Story continues below)
Afternoon all! I’m reposting this from a commenter @ TM’s site because I thought it was interesting-
Not sure if anyone say Russert on Morning Joe this morning but he crunched the numbers and went thru the electoral college for the General and what he said was interesting.
He showed very easily the path McCain plans to go to get the 270.
He showed very easily the path Clinton got to 270.
And then he showed this absolutely wild ride that Obama needed to get just to get a dead tie with McCain at 269 or one short of 270.
Then Joe said if McCain gets Romney as VP, it pretty much takes Obamas map right out of the mix.
Very very interesting stuff.
TheRizzo | 04.03.2008 – 11:16 am | #
Did anyone happen to catch Russert this morning? I’ve wondered for a long time, given BO’s weakness w/ a lot of traditional democratic and swing voters, just exactly how is he going to get 270 electoral votes. I just don’t see it.
Seldom right but never in doubt those wonderful pundits of ours . .. . .
Headline: “Soldering On But Somber As Horizons Darken” Patrick Healey NYT February 24, 2008. Then came Ohio, Texas primary and Rhode Island. The goal posts get moved.
Headline: in essence “North Carolina Could Be The End of The Road”. USA Today, April 3, 2008. Yes, a red state with a heavy AA concentration where she is currently down in the polls, rather than Pennyslvania, Kentucky, Indiana, West Virginia where she is up. Their bias is transparent. Their attempt to distort public perception is clear. Clear to everyone save those who are under the same sort of delusion.
There is of course an historica precedent for this and it took place in the very state where they say the world will end. Standing right there with Wilbur Wright and his brother at Kittyhawk, watching the birth of the aviation age, was a man by the name of Oliver J Tweet, who made a similar prediction: “It will never get off the ground.”
On further reflecton I think I need to file a jurisdictional dispute charge with the NLRB to stop these pundits from violating the sacred turf of gypsies and fortune tellers. They have neither the experience nor the feel for it.
Nikki, the electoral analysis is beginning for sure. MSNBC is having a segment again today. Others are following. This is the real deal. Who can get elected in November. Obambi ain’t the one. History and electoral math are not in his favor. History and electoral math *are* in Hill’s favor.
wbboei
Soon the public will see how bad the pundits have been and then question Obamas record, well that’s what I hope.
This is what the pundits and media *aren’t* talking about…
This is a Super-Delegate from Alabama…
But Turnham said winning in November is key.
“I want a candidate — either Obama or Clinton — to show me the electoral math how they get to the win,” Turnham said. “I want a win worse than I want to see any person. They’re going to have to prove that to me.”
I should also add, Turnham probably represents about 90% of the remaining super-delegate logic.
Oh yeah, Donna Brazille ain’t one of the 90%.
It ain’t over ’till Donna Brazille sings.
Dija: Thank you for posting that information about Randi Rhodes being suspended. I received the e-mail about this, and was so offended, that I shot off two e-mails: one to Rhodes, and the other to Air America. I couldn’t even watch the entire You Tube clip of her diatribe. Absolutely disgusting. She should be fired.
ok, so Brazile want all of us to tone it down and become united, what is she saying to the randi rhodes people. Really, does she really think that obama’s surrogates are mild!!
This is from a very good story by Stephen Spruiell at the National Review about how Rezko may be developing into a “sticky wicket” for Obama:
article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzdkMzJlMTU1NGRmODM4NWY5YjNiY2JhNjZkZTk0ODc=&w=MQ==
“What we have,” Peraica says, “is a level of corruption that is integrated both vertically and horizontally across all layers of government: city, municipal, county, and state.” To him, the Rezko case illustrates that corruption in Illinois is a bipartisan problem. “We have a corrupt political combine, where the members of the two parties… have come together, not pursuant to a public interest, but to pursue their own financial interests, which they have done with great zeal and ingenuity.”
This corruption, should it become an issue in the campaign, could cause problems for Obama when people start to wonder how he could have made it through “the combine” without getting involved in the overlapping networks of patronage and influence. Peraica, for one, argues that he didn’t.
“Senator Barack Obama is an integral part and a product of this corrupt system,” Peraica says. “Senator Obama has endorsed Todd Stroger for Cook County board president, Mayor [Richard M.] Daley for mayor of Chicago, Dorothy Tillman for re-election as an alderman, and other epitomes of bad government throughout his career in order to promote himself politically, at the expense of, I would argue, principles and morals and good government.”
Obama’s relationship with Allison Davis — the alleged go-between in Rezko’s scheme to shake down Tom Rosenberg — could pose another problem for him. Obama worked for Davis at the law firm of Davis Miner Barnhill. Later, when Obama sat on the board of a charity called the Woods Fund, he voted to invest $1 million in a partnership operated by Davis, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
Levine’s testimony in the Rezko trial puts Davis in the middle of an attempted quid pro quo, making him yet another associate Obama might be pressured to disown. And the trial could stretch well into May, at which point a Rezko conviction could lead to even more headaches for the candidate. Obama used a big speech about race to distract from his ties to one unsavory Chicago character. Distancing himself from an entire network of them might prove to be a tougher task.
All the more reason that Obama might be tempted to try to address this metastasizing problem with a single bold gesture. Obama made a big speech about race to distract from his ties to one unsavory Chicago character, but distancing himself from an entire network of them might prove to be a tougher task. After all, Obama was able to claim the middle ground in his defense of Wright, denouncing Wright’s most radical views while excusing his run-of-the-mill resentments as being a not-atypical part of the black experience.
But America will have a harder time swallowing excuses for corruption as being a run-of-the-mill aspect of the Illinois political experience — particularly not from a candidate that has promised a new kind of politics. To succeed, Obama would have to denounce the behavior of some of his closest allies and demonstrate a candor about his own experience in state government that’s been missing from his campaign thus far. In the Rezko trial, Obama might have finally encountered a problem that a speech alone won’t solve.
kaffeen,
That’s good news if most SDs think like Turnham. I figured they were thinking about who can win cuz the dems haven’t had the White House in so long. But you really think its 90%?
Hillary I am truly amazed at thestamina,patience,ability,honesty,knowledge and courage,you have shown in your drive to set things right for your country.I suggest that you should take several days off.Give your voice,your body and your remarkable mind a rest.Have no fear about Obama.He will be left SPEECHLESS.I know you won’t do so,I am just making a point for your tenacious character and resolve to be’The First Woman President ” Our own and truly the Most Respected Woman in The World” As always my closing words.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
BY ABM90
Ok why is msnbc saying that the undecided sd’s are leaning towards obama and don’t want to come out and offend Hillary, is this true and what do we do about this! Because i dont remember his name but he was on msnbc saying that they dont want to say obama because they don’t want to “hurt” the clintons! This really is pissing me off! How do these guys know and who are they to make those predictions.
I just came back from a breakfast fundraiser in SF…hillary was great…funny, witty as well as serious. She looked great in red!
One key thing I remember from her “speech”…:
“I am sorry to have kept many of my supporters on edge, sleepless nights etc…but I am having fun!”….yes she looked like she was having fun!
MY niece loved the event!
winhillary, I think msnbc, just makes this crap up!
Im just in tears over that video!
Here is a cross posting from TM on the how to meet the technical requirements for conducting a march or protest. Obviously this is one piece of the overall strategy alluded to above.
How to Organize a Protest in Washington, D.C.
There is this huge misconception that only large national organizations are able to conduct a march or protest in the District of Colombia, but in reality, anyone can. The problem is that many people do not know where to start. The information is not available through the Washington, D.C. website. Follow the guidelines below, however, and you can conduct a protest or march in Washington with ease.
Things You’ll Need:
Phone and fax machine
Step 1:
Start planning at least three months ahead of your anticipated march. Permits are approved within 48 hours but you can submit them up to a year or more in advance. The earlier you start, the better.
Step 2:
Contact the National Parks Permit Office by calling (202) 619-7225. Ask them to fax you a permit application.
Step 3:
Visit the Dcpages website for a map of the District of Colombia. Determine the protest gathering point, march route and rally area. Print the map by hitting the ¨Print Screen¨ button on the keyboard. Use a yellow highlighter to plot out the different protest points on the map.
Step 4:
Call the National Parks Permit Office again; Ask them for the availability dates on the gathering location, march route and rally point. Once they have confirmed availability, proceed to fill out the entire application.
Step 5:
Make sure to specify the estimated number of people participating in the protest and the main contact person. That person must sign and date the application.
Step 6:
Make a copy of the application and the highlighted map for your records.
Step 7:
Mail the original application and highlighted map to: National Parks Permit Office, Room 128, 1100 Ohio Drive Southwest, Washington, District of Colombia 20242.
Step 8:
Wait about a week for a National Parks Agent to call. This agent will be specifically assigned to your organization for the permit application process. Have the agent give you her direct extension for further questions and information.
Step 9:
Provide the agent with any additional information he may need to approve the permit. Ask him to fax you the approved permit immediately and mail the original back to you.
Step 10:
Start campaigning for participants with your permit in hand. The National Parks Permit Office will take care of notifying the District of Colombia Police and other city organizations that require special events notification. It’s that simple!
Tips & Warnings
Be friendly and polite to the National Parks Agent, she is your key to permit approval.
Call the National Parks Permit Office at (202) 619-7225 for help in filling out the application.
All applications must be mailed or walked f
RE: Donna Brazile – I’ve been doing some psychological profiling based on responses sent to me from our FL activists – Donna Brazile has not committed to either candidate – her mindset has been changing over the recent past – she understands the need to be inclusive. We must be careful in our approach to the “ruling elite” – a well documented email, not placing blame, but articulating the strategic importance of recognizing disenfranchised voters, appealing to the tenets of our democracy, will go much further than placing blame. We have the opportunity, if careful in our correspondence, to change the minds those on the fence. I know, from analysis of responses from DB her mindset is changing – pressure is good but in a controlled and strategic manner – we need not put people on the defensive – remember, most of them already are.
Nikki, just my personal opinion, but yes I do.
HillBillyLover – wow, what an article.
Makes me think – what the hell were the DNC thinking when they decided they wanted this candidate – he is flawed beyond belief. I hope that the Rezko drip, drip, drip will finally splat.
Of course, then he’ll try and make a speech contextualizing why we should feel sympathy for the corrupt. Unbelievable.
What a difference a day makes.
The meme from the Media Whores was that poor Hillary was in money trouble (versus Bambi, who is rolling in dough), so she had to leave the campaign trail to go back to California to raise more money, while giving a big advantage to Bambi who she is leaving in Pennsylvania to campaign alone, so he will obviously make huge gains against her in the state.
OOPS.
Bambi followed Hillary to California, to also raise money:
Clinton, Obama Seek Money In California
(AP) – Obama … plans to spend a money-packed afternoon and evening Sunday at the northern California homes of four different financial backers.
Clinton … was attending a fundraiser Wednesday in Silicon Valley, followed by three events Thursday in San Francisco, Pasadena and Los Angeles.
“A big boon to the fundraising has been these appeals for her to withdraw,” said Larry Stone, a Clinton fundraiser in Silicon Valley who also is the Santa Clara County assessor. “It makes supporters angry, especially women.”
Clinton’s event Wednesday, in Menlo Park, was chaired by venture capitalist John Doerr. ONE OF OBAMA’S HOSTS IS OIL HEIR GORDON GETTY.
Think anyone in the media will now repeat those same negatives about Bambi ?
Don’t hold your breath.
WHY WON’T OKIE SET UP ANOTHER MONEY BOMB FOR HILLARY
Someone here posted about neolibs, sorry I want to give them credit but I can’t remember who it was. Their post was extremely well written and I agreed with most of it.
I’d like to revisit that issue because I wouldn’t call them libs at all. They are a virus.
A lib or liberal as I assume it means does not stand for repression which the post about neolibs insinuates. In fact it occured to me the so called neolibs are not part of any party or the true definition of a movement at all.
They simply are the by product of capitalism run amok. Gimme, Gimme Gimme, stomp your feet, Gimme more, Gimme more. Their demographics include rude, techno savy, selfish, careless, “Jackass Movie ” rave, ecstacy overdosed, priveledged whites including a handful of “missed my fun years” old coots, purely wanna be’s that never should have been, along with the angry, aggressive, entitled, in your face, underserved victimized minorities.
Are there more of them? NO, but more of them are taking over what was once know as the democratic party. This does not make them democrat or liberal. It simply makes them people looking for a place to call home, just like a virus.
They know nothing of loyalty, they are too selfish to understand this. Today the democrat party pats their own back because these lost souls found them. When that koolaid runs out, they will be dumbfounded as to what happened.
The republican party already faced the same virus infection that plagues the left. We shook our heads at the time, how could all those people support them?? Recall how the repubs have ridden the big wave since 1994, well, it was the same virus. It tore down the republican party..guess who’s next? Frankly what they need to do is have their own party, but the stupid dems and reps refuse to let them go.
I know who is the right candidate, and who will be the best president, that is Hillary, but my fear is this infection will take years to cure. Those of us who understand the true meaning of being a liberal and a democrat might have to wait to be heard if our push to seat Hillary fails.
We are the antivirus and Hillary is 44
EVERYONE IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS YET THERE IS A SITE THAT WE CAN GO ON TO CONTACT SUPERS AND UNDECIDEDS PLEASE CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO AND YOU CAN SEND ARTICLES AND NEWS TO THIS SITE FOR THE SUPERS TO LOOK AT! THIS IS GREAT IM GOING ON TO CHECK IT OUT, IF WE CAN SEND HONEST INFO ABOUT OBAMA MAYBE WE CAN OPEN THERE EYES ON THIS GUY!
edition.cnn.com/video/
winhillary – don’t fret. the pundits are mouthpieces for BO campaign’s propaganda. Those SDs who are still to be heard from – if they are professional politicians, they know the race is still fluid as past elections have proven.
as FRDJIM said, we just have to be diligent – write them and persuade them, and Ann has said, they are listening.
iNINLA I really dont know how to contact them or what to say, because I dont want to come of strong and lose there votes. Im not sure of the site, I will check this out. But at least it’s coming from them not the pundits.
From Emily’s List – go sign the petition – sign every petition we can to count FL and MI:
Support EMILY’s List Today Enough is enough. It’s time to count the votes of Democrats in Florida and Michigan. We don’t have any more time to waste in resolving this issue.
No matter which candidate you support, it’s essential that we find a way to include Florida and Michigan in the Democratic nominating process. Almost 2.3 million Americans voted in the Democratic primaries in these two states. These voters have a right to participate in selecting the Democratic nominee for president, just like millions of other voters have had across the country.
That’s why we need your help in reaching out to Democratic Party Chair Howard Dean and both Democratic presidential candidates and asking them to resolve this issue immediately. Please join us in making sure that every vote is counted.
Sign the petition now!
Florida and Michigan will be critical battleground states in November and we can’t afford to have Democrats there feel disenfranchised. In keeping with our democratic values, the votes of those nearly 2.3 million voters must be counted.
Will you stand up for the voters of Florida and Michigan and make sure their voices are heard?
Sign the petition now! emilyslist.org/news/florida_michigan_petition2
Your active engagement in making democracy work is so important. Thank you for taking a moment to sign the petition.
Warmest regards,
here’s the link again:
emilyslist.org/news/florida_michigan_petition2
congresspedia, I believe and its called superdelegate transparency project. Im sure you all have heard of it but it probably just tell you who has endorsed and yet who hasn’t. Again im a terrible writer and I just wish we could do more to confence these supers!
hillary giving great presser right on msnbc
I can’t see her without wondering how anyone could not vote for her, regardless of the opponent. She’s just best.
Corzine says if HRC doesn’t win the popular vote he’ll endorse BO!
Anyone else hear this???????? That b@sturd. And he’s Italian!
WTF is going on? Even Rush-O said what I and others have been saying for weeks; that the Dem goal is getting rid of the Clintons above all else. The coverage of Wright has turned into syrupy justification. McCain is being attacked coz he’s wife has money . . . And on it goes.
Please someone – what’s the good word today?
not John Corzine .. he’s been a staunch supporter.
any live streams for the press conference?
cnn has live stream of Hillary now.
watch Hillary, she’ll make you forget your worries.
note-she said there are NO pledged dlegeates. thank god. ive been saying that for months. said gore could serve in any capacity in her admin. she is goign to nd to court delgates before the conv there sat. and bs on fudnraising-her supporters are the working class. we dont have the cash bambi’s do. but look like we will have to funraise even more
somebody who knows how to do that big money bomb like we did in Feb…we need to do it
ANY capacity .. hmmm
What’s Hillary talking about in her press conference?
Hi,
Was good to see that Linfar got reinstated at MyDD
uh, Corzine probably thinks she will win the pop vote. I do.
Don’t worry about Corzine. If Hillary doesn’t win the popular vote, which is still doable, she’s probably not going to be the nominee anyway.
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=California_2008_presidential_primary_and_superdelegates
This is the site, you click on the state and it gives you the delegates that have and have not pledged. This is great!
I think I just heard that Geraldine Ferraro is going to be on Hannity and Colmes.
dot48 – doesn’t sound like Corzine’s switching – Huffpost (yes, had to look because of Randi Rhodes news) – said same thing about Murtha saying “Clinton has to win Pennsylvania,” he argued in an interview. “She has to be ahead in the popular vote to have any chance at all of getting this nomination.”
SO – she will win PA and with more primaries and Puerto Rico coming up, I have faith she will gain the popular votes lead (and let’s count FL votes which Clinton believes was a legitimate election).
I somewhat wonder if her surrogates aren’t injecting “popular votes” into the current dialogue so that that’s what people will be talking about. My objection is when the media tries to frame it as if her surrogates are trying flipping to BO when they are loyal to Clinton.
I’m copying this post from TM’s site. These videos are worth watching.
“Ok guys, I have created intros into my videos explaining what went on in these Texas Conventions and then have actual footage of the illegality of it all. View these and CIRCULATE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIJVLxhmbXw Obama Calling Hillary Delegates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjBeVYvMOwc Rules Schmules!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgWLtY6AVTs Who cares about Resolutions and Party Platform!”
I agree, mj. Good point.
Also, an observation on the electoral math:
The election with McCain is going to be close. A claim to rework the electoral map is only viable if the race will be a blowout. In other words, you don’t want to go into November with a candidate relying on “new voters” for his margin if victory. Does anyone really think the Repubs won’t register voters, too?
I hope a lot of SDs are thinking along the lines of the one kaffeen mentioned. BTW, Hillary apparently told Bill Richardson when he called her about his Obama endorsement that Obama can’t win in November. And she was emphatic about it. Well all know this, of course, but Hillary has access to polls and info that we don’t. Thinak about that.
Lincoln – does anyone remember Lincoln’s strategy to get his party’s nomination? He was never the front-runner – in fact, he strategically wanted to be the number 2 pick. As the delegates hashed out between the other two candidates, they could not get to the magic number – and there was Lincoln – who had coalesced support among delegates to be the unanimous number 2 choice – well – that strategy worked – in other words, nothing is determined until the convention – that is why it is so very important that all primaries are held and all States voices heard – FL and MI will be pivotal – and FL more so – there is no doubt about it. And, the Edwards delegates have to be factored in – and there is nothing to keep a delegate from switching h/h vote at the convention. We should be gearing up for a major visibility event at the convention – strength in numbers – a major pro-hillary rally at the convention – let’s get moving on this
Well, again this is why the media should be including FL votes in pop vote count. DNC says delegates will be seated so why arn’t they including those votes?
@Ininla
“I somewhat wonder if her surrogates aren’t injecting “popular votes” into the current dialogue so that that’s what people will be talking about.”
I think your absolutely right! they need to reframe this race to be about the popular vote rather than obama media’s “delegate” count frame.
we should all follow suit! in our comments talk about the popular vote
@mj
I said something about this yesterday,
i understand the delegates are stripped, but does that mean the popular vote isn’t counted according the party rules???
if they are, then why did they vote anyways??
I don’t believe it…IT IS SLEETING HERE IN Southern Iowa!!
Thundersnow storms twice last week and now this.
Last year at this time I had 200 four-inch high patio tomatoes.
I moved to southern part of state to cut winter down to 2 months.
This is crap!
Corzine said with FL and MI and he stopped short of saying he’d endorse.
its kinda funny the republicans have wanted to get rid of the Clintons for years because they are the only one that have been able to beat and not fold under their pressure. Now, the stupid democrats are going to do it for them. They only arsh kicker is look what they might have in exchange and it scares the hell out of them. I think they’d rather have Hillary! Of coarse we all know they’ll beat the socks off of Obama! Especially with McCain,T he War Hero against the Muslim, how stupid can the Democratic party elites be anyway. It kinda makes wonder,though! That’s why I think Fox has been getting a little tougher on Hillary, bc, it’ll be alot easier to beat Obama! He doesn’t have the stamina or resolve. The is truly the Affirmative Action candidate, wanting everything to be easy!!
emjay how hot are your summers..and when does the real hot weather start?
Dot, Paula, all,
here’s the link about Jon Corzine.
I am appalled. I moved out of NJ last year.
firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/03/854162.aspx
The is truly the Affirmative Action candidate, wanting everything to be easy!!
Whoa, whoa, whoa…that’s not fair to recipients of affirmative action at all. I completely reject this comment.
winhillary Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Just sounds like spin to me, winhillary. Same as with all the requests for Hillary to drop out. They’re just trying to create this narrative, and weaken Hillary’s support.
RE: Popular vote – make no mistake about it – there is no such thing as a popular vote in the primary – this is a fictional number propagated by the media and bought in my elected officials and voters in general. If the playing field were the same and consistent in all primary states, we could reference a popular vote. The fact that in some States Independents can vote, in others Republicans can vote for Democrats and vice versa and in caucus State, where a mathematical formula is used to determine the number of votes is like comparing apples to oranges to pineapples. There is no such thing as a popular vote. Which is why, when the Pelosi’s of the world say things like SD’s should follow the popular vote and I want to rip her tongue out and ask her when her next lobotomy is scheduled. SD’s were designed by the Democratic party to be vanguards of the party and to nominate the BEST and most LIKELY candidate to succeed in the GE – and we all know who that is!
Corzine said with FL and MI. She will win the pop vote with those two, and the upcoming states.
Here’s the quote. Maybe it’s not as bad as I thought.
‘Per NBC’s Tom Winter, Gov. Jon Corzine, a Clinton superdelegate, just said on CNBC’s Squawk Box that he reserves the right to change his vote from Hillary Clinton if she doesn’t have the popular vote. He stopped short of saying that he definitely would change his vote if she lost the popular vote and he did strongly emphasize that Sen. Clinton would win the popular vote in the end.
Sen. Maria Cantwell, another Clinton super, has said similar things regarding the popular vote.’
FDRJIM – You’re a welcome “force” on this board – a real doer. Thanks for your enthusiasm, insights and your work.
Lincoln’s strategy – interesting – i think she is benefiting from the underdog status (no matter how much BO BS’s that he has it) – it is keeping BO in the spotlight – he will be vetted more, meanwhile, she keeps her head down and works for those votes. In best case scenarios that she and we work towards – FL counts towards popular votes and delegates, and after other elections, she will have the popular vote lead. Edwards will come in (cross lucky fingers) to endorse and his delegates can still go to her.
Right. That’s good. They are making the pop vote argument.
confloyd
I actually think the McCain camp would rather run against Hillary, and would prefer that the Clinton campaign be the ones to put an end to the so-called Obama “movement.” As we’ve seen, running against Obama/Axelrod is a pretty frustrating experience – if they get control of the media and with everybody being called a racist every time you try to criticize him.
DNC stance surprises campaigns
The Democratic National Committee said Tuesday that Florida and Michigan members will be seated on the three standing committees — including the critical Credentials Committee—at the party’s 2008 national convention, a position that could affect the selection of the Democratic nominee.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9350.html
If I am reading this right Florida and Michigan would not be allowed to vote on any matter concerning their respective states like seating their delegations, but Florida could vote on the matter of seating Michigan’s delegation and vice versa.
Either way just having them their is a plus for Hillary.
They’ve suspended Randi Rhodes. I’m usually not for reprimanding anyone for practicing free speech, but her appearance in SF was sponsored by an Air America affiliate. It’s up to them to decide what to do with their employee.
It’s unfortunate what Randi has been reduced to in order to bash Hillary. I was a really loyal listener. I will be again once this Primary is over.
Right, ok, so I contiune to ask the question, if FL and MI are to be seated in some manner, then it is fricken time to add those votes to the pop vote totals.
@djia Well, Obama has made this about popular votes too. When he brags, he always says, “I’ve got the most delegates, I’ve got the most votes, I’ve won the most states.” If Hillary looks like she’s going to overtake him in the popular vote (which is certain I think with some accounting for MI/FL), will be interesting to see how Obama tries to spin that.
filbert .. how could you ever listen to her again after her vicious attack on such a fine woman. This goes to her core values .. I find those tactics repulsive — and they try to say Hillary has been vindictive and cruel in this campaign.
Just as I plan to not return to MSNBC or CNN over the treatment of her.
I ben:
who wouldn’t LOL, i would hate to run against the chicago mob
Confloyd,
i was thinking the same thing, today.
‘its kinda funny the republicans have wanted to get rid of the Clintons for years because they are the only one that have been able to beat and not fold under their pressure. Now, the stupid democrats are going to do it for them.”
Except the dems are TRYING but will not succeed!
I think framing this about popular votes (no matter the myth of this or not, fdrjim) – is the right way to go.
It is very hard to argue against a Popular Vote leader when it was the Democrats’ argument of legitimacy for Al Gore 8 years ago.
IBen:
bambi will come up with something made up again i am sure
but yes i believe Hill will get the popular vote…..hands down!
I think she will take atleast 7 out of the 10 primaries left and will have the popular vote with out Fl or Mi
this is why they (o people) are just twisted preztles right now
rjk1957 Yep, I posted a link to that in the last thread – I think it’s good news for Hillary. The article says it could affect the outcome of the nomination, and that issues can be brought to the Credentials Committee “before” the convention. Obamabots question how can these delegates be put on the committees if the delegations themselves aren’t yet officially seated – and the DNC responded by saying that the delegates were stripped from the “primaries” but not these committees.
Rules are rules.
Why is it that Hillary supporters are shakey and always making comments about how they’ll switch to BO if so and so happens, but I never hear that from BO core supporters.
Everyday, there’s some big shots like Rendell, Corzine and Cantwell giving the press something to write a negative story on. Just shut up.
An interesting tidbit I heard today RE; Axelrod, TUCC and the improved media spin.
Apparently Axelrod hired a Chicago PR firm that specializes in ‘damage control” to ’soften’ Wright’s image. Can’t remember the name of the company but apparently it’s some major Chicago firm.
Maybe that accounts for the fact Wright and TCUU are outta the headlines?
As far as I am concerned the “Will of the People” has always been and will always be the total vote count not delegates or states won. Obama’s camp can spin it any way they want, but it will not change the fact that Hillary will win the popular vote and thus have the “Will of the People” at her back.
@djia
I think it’s also significant that about 600,000 of bambi’s popular vote lead comes from Illinois, and about 429,000 of that comes from one county – the infamous Cook County.
Still, if the DNC is saying the delegates will be seated in some manner, then WTF is the media not counting those votes in the pop vote count? Pyshologically that would be very good for our side.
All I am saying about him being the afirmative action candidate is that they have reported how whiney he gets when he tired and just look at how he was with the guy just wanting a pic of him, to me this guy whines when things just don’t go his way, like the bowling. He is such a baby!
basil9
Yeah, I read the article. It’s about another company Axelrod works with that is involved in something called “astroturfing.” It’s involved in controlling image, etc and involves a lot of Internet scrubbing and whatnot. We know that there has been a lot of scrubbing on the TUCC website.
# dot48 Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
WHY WON’T OKIE SET UP ANOTHER MONEY BOMB FOR HILLARY
Because I have been dealing with my crazy clients and friends whose spouses and children/grandparents have been dying. Sorry, this place can suck us in and real life still goes on. I have real responsibilities that sometimes are more important than making Hillary 44 in November.
I promised SpaceGirl yesterday that I’d get one up tonight. She knows my plight. So be gentle with me until Monday, please.
Gotta go, just got buzzed by the receptionist judge is demanding a quick redo of an order lest I get my ass chewed again.
Confloyd,so? Obama is not representative of affirmative action recipients.
Ben,
That’s fantastic news! BO and company must be sweating bullets right now KNOWING that after they have tried so hard to disenfranchize both states it’s unlikely they will get much support from those committees at the convention.
Guys, it’s the old squeaky wheel theory. If people like us weren’t COMPLAINING bitterly about HRC’s treatment DNC and the Dems wouldn’t lift a finger to enforce any of these so-called rules. Let’s keep it up.
I’m mulling my next email blitz and who I should address it to. Have already done SD’s, PA newspapers, thinking about the Rules and By-Laws members but maybe it’s too early? Whaddaya think?
ROTF!
mj
I’m assuming that popular vote totals will have to be worked too. But there’s no way that Bambi can be given popular votes that he simply did not get. For example, there was some discussion of seating 50% of the Florida delegates from the Jan 29 primary – so I would image that deal would involve giving 50% of the popular vote as well. But the Bambi camp, according to Daschle, has shot that down as well.
okie, sorry. I know, you like all of us, have life outside this place. I just want so really bad to get the dough rolling into Hillary and I think your moneybomb idea was what brought in the biggest part of Feb’s big get.
@lninla – I agree with you on Gore – that was a popular vote since in the GE we all vote the same – but not in primaries – I do, however, understand your point. Thanks!
And Norma, and B Merry, and a few of you others…please be gentle. I can only deal with so much at the moment. I’m still waiting on video ideas from SGA. Dot, Sugar, Norma, et al- if you guys have a video idea, let me know. I need music to go with our bomb.
Maybe some Rick James? Queen? Something fun.
I’ll check my email for ideas since I can’t get on here via phone.
yes Axelrod’s other company is called ASK – and i sent this link to Lou Dobbs and others-
businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm
as far as Astroturfing (from Wikipedia), it is prohibited by the Public Relations Code of Ethics:
wordplay based on “grassroots democracy” efforts, which are truly spontaneous undertakings largely sustained by private persons (not politicians, governments, corporations, or public relations firms). “AstroTurf” refers to the bright green artificial grass used in some sports stadiums, so “astroturfing” refers to imitating or faking populous (”grassroots”) opinion or behaviour.
This practice is specifically prohibited by the Code of Ethics of the Public Relations Society of America, the national association for members of the public relations profession in the United States. As a private organization, the most significant punishment PRSA can hand out to members who engage in Astroturfing is revocation of membership in the association. Although not specifically mentioned in the Code of Ethics of the International Association of Business Communicators (IABC), honest communication is also required by the IABC Code of Ethics. [snip from Code below - and see every violation that I'm sure BO campaign has violated]
Examples of Improper Conduct Under this Provision:
Front groups: A member implements “grass roots” campaigns or letter-writing campaigns to legislators on behalf of undisclosed interest groups.
Lying by omission: A practitioner for a corporation knowingly fails to release financial information, giving a misleading impression of the corporation’s performance.
A member discovers inaccurate information disseminated via a Web site or media kit and does not correct the information.
A member deceives the public by employing people to pose as volunteers to speak at public hearings and participate in “grass roots” campaigns.
Give me a break, Obam’s church says the received threats. I do not know about nayone else, but if my church received threats the FBI would have been called in.
No, ben, pop votes are pop votes. They have nothing to do with the wieght of the delegates. BO will only get the votes where he was voted for. That’s how it works.
basil9
Well, it’s just that MI/FL would get delegates on the committees, along with all the other states. But every vote counts and will be important, since there is always the fear that the DNC will stack the committees with Obamabots.
mj, I am truly not speaking for all affirmative action people, some really work hard and deserve the help, but there are some that think it is their right! I believe the whole idea of affirmative action is one of helping, not one of entitlement, correct?
I often wonder how so many attorneys, business owners can lend themselves to traveling and working so hard for the campaigns. Kudos to all.
I believe the whole idea of affirmative action is one of helping, not one of entitlement, correct?
Correct. But most afrimative action recipients don’t feel entitled to anything. And, lot’s of people who are not reciepients o affirmative action, but have rich parents, feel entitled to everything.
mj, I agree with that theory and I’m not sure how it will get resolved, since Bambi fears losing the popular vote lead as much as anything else. One thing is for sure, Florida and Michigan want their votes to counts and they are willing to fight at the convention for them – and Hillary will be there with them if it comes to that. So if this thing winds up going to Denver unsettled, the DNC and Obama camp will have no one to blame but themselves.
On the committees they are seated by each states population. Most of the states Obama won only have 1 or 2 seats on the committees, where Hillary’s states won has 4 and 17 seats. Hillary already has won enough deleagtes in large states to meet the 20% threshold to put a vote to the floor of the convention and Obama has not.
ugh, Fox talking about this “alleged” private statement by Hillary that “Obama can’t win.” If that’s what Hillary said, then what does that say about fat ass Richardson? He would have been the one to reveal what was said in private. And anyway, who cares? OBAMA CAN’T WIN lol. I’m sure his camp is also telling SD’s that Hillary can’t win.
Law students are taught to make use of analogies. Why? Because they convey a complex subject to an easy to understand paradigm, set up a morality play and evoke an emotional response. And as eveyone knows juries are dumber that we are they wont catch on.
Experienced lawyers are leery of analogies. They know from experience that juries can be pretty smart in a street smart sort of way. And they also know that if opposing counsel will turn them around on you fast, if they are any good.
So how now Donna Brazille. I just luv your little analogy which portrays Hillary in a basketball game knowing she cant win and tearing down the winning team. But Donna turn-around is fair play- right? So how about this one:
Donna what would you think about a basketball game where the referees were in the hip pocket of one team, tried to change the rules, sportscasters were hyper partisan, the team that was leading demanded that the game be stopped in the beginning of the fourth period, and whined it was unsportsmanlike for the other team to continue trying to win the game, and would tarnish the image of the team that was ahead–and team Hillary rather than the Obmanics were doing this.
In that instance would yo still be saying what you are saying now or is it just because you are in the bag for Obama? You really dont see it do you–and how floridly delusional you sound.
I just put Hillary bumper stickers on my Mercedes, Maserati, and Porsche..I hope they are not vandalized!!!!
@rjk1957
Cool! Then let’s take this thing to Denver, baby!
mj, you are certainly right about that, there are lots of folks that feel entitled! Well, you know your singing to the choir, I was a recipient of a scholorship for financially challenged students with children, but I never felt anyone owed it to me. I was happy to get it and I also made the grades to be considered for it. So, the only thing I am saying here is that I feel alot of obama and his supporters feel entitled to the presidency this time,even though he is not qualified or for that matter, doesn’t have the values to deserve it.
I posted an article several days ago about how the 186 memebrs of the credentials committee are allocated by state California gets the most with 17 and each states delegation appoints it’s representatives. Hillary should be in control of the commiittee, but getting a big margins in PA, IN, KY and WV are vital.
I do not have the energy to go thru my posts to find the artcle about the credentials committee.
Ben,
Not sure that’s true. Someone up thread discussed those numbers. here’s a link to the report:
http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?url=archives/7783-The-Power-of-Cook-County,-Illinois.html&sere
Here’s a comment about the numbers.
‘I think the confusion stems from the fact that Cook County’s total vote is reported at two different sites.
The site that you correctly point to (for Cook County, outside of Chicago):
http://www.voterinfonet.com/results/020508/SummaryReport.pdf
Obama 281,183
Clinton 153,984
Here is the data for Cook County inside of the City of Chicago:
http://www.chicagoelections.com/dm/general/document_200.pdf
Obama 462,503
Clinton 160, 650
The total for Cook County:
Obama 743,686
Clinton 314,634
That’s where the 429,000 number comes from…
Of course Hillary doesn’t think Obama can win. That’s a no-brainer, lol.
Why is so hard to understand that DB, a Gore team member, and AA, is trying to force Hillary out? Gore is, imo, behind Obama from the beginning and has advised him or how to run his campaign, as well as providind inside info on what would tick off Bill . Gore wants to come off as the “party elder” who brings “us” together. He is a smiling mamba imo and any one with an IQ over 90, can tell he has been behind BO for a long time!!!
# jbstonesfan Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I just put Hillary bumper stickers on my Mercedes, Maserati, and Porsche..I hope they are not vandalized!!!!
Mercedes, Maserati and Porsche! Heh, I’m just an old Reagan Democrat with a sticker on my Nissan Altima.
well jb – it helps if you park in lit and high foot traffic areas, so at least they don’t have the chance to write OBAMA on your car, and then report it to the police if it does happen who will then look at the footage from video from the business around it. Be sure to park your porsche, maserati and mercedes in commercial areas if you’re expecting vandalism for the whole purpose that there are at least cameras.
jbstonesfan – again, there you go with your tone – not sure if you’re smug but it’s semi-troll tone.
Gore says he is staying out of it and I believe him.
Yeah I’ve got a Maserati too.
basil9
It sure looks true to me – that 429,000 comes from one county
I like this quote from Ed Rendell about Hillary:
“I think that Hillary Clinton wears very well, the more people get to know her I think the more they like her. I’ve seen that transformation with working-class stay-at-home women who last year at this time were very cool to Hillary. But when we were at the St. Paddy’s day parade at Pittsburgh and Scranton they were screaming for her like she was a rock star.”
I am starting to believe that JBSTONESFAN = MJS on better days.
jbstonesfan,
I’m not so sure Gore wants to get involved in this at all. Anyway, I’ve always liked Al Gore, and I think he’s enjoying his life outside politics right now
Ben,
I said that wrong and now I can’t remember my point! *LOL*
Someone else explained about the inconsistencies and the how the numbers
don’t confirm anything other than BO is popular in his home state and his home town.
I’ll post the comment if I can find it.
Sorry.
I am not a troll …in fact, if you look at Hillary’s blog, I am posted in the Chelsea thread. I am an atty, so yes, I tend to be a bit smug . I got the stickers from Hillary’s site as there is virtually no campaign stuff from either side down here in S. Fla. I am very excited about it, but if people are that extrem as to damage property, thats pretty sad. We all may be different here, but we ALL love Hillary…I would appreciate it if my legitimacy would stop being challenged. You can also go to the Huffington Post(god forbid) and see all of my pro Hillary posts….lets work together and get Hillary elected!!!
I’ve got a Hillary sticker on my 11 year old Buick Century .. and I go to a largely republican church congregation in a republican church whose women are secret Hillary supporters .. love it.
Jimmy Carter likes Obama, too. BTW, if I read one more story about how someone’s kids or grandkids are convincing them to support Obama, I’m going to scream. Somehow I don’t think the Repubs pick their candidates that way. They care about WINNING.
^^republican state^^ not church .. duh
Forgot link:
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/ap_on_el_pr/carter_obama
“the more people meet Hillary face to face and hear and see the real woman, they gravitate to her” that is why fundraising is so important. She is funding her rallyes, Bills rallyes and Chelseas rallyes. That is why she is needing money.
I hope we use the Rocky music for the MoneyBomb. She’s the underdog and that music is fitting for what we are trying to do
Jimmy Carter also dislikes the Clintons as he feels Bill did not pay him respect during his administration. Also, with Carter’s love of everything Palestinian, is it a surprise he is in Hussein’s corner???
JBSTONE – I know a lot of lawyers who are not smug (and some are on this board). So change.
and not all Hillary supporters have to like each other.
if you want to work together, then stop coming in and dropping negativity all over the place – i assume you do the same thing at all the pro-Hill sites you frequent. So, long as you do so, I’ll keep questioning what your intention is.
I don’t remember my parents or grandparents asking me how I should vote. That seems to me really silly.
But if you want to talk children, I’ll take Chelsea over any of the others.
How they should vote, sorry.
Sometimes we all let the media write too many narratives for us about people. For example, people love to say that there is bad blood between the Gores and the Clintons, but I think it’s largely overblown. It’s true that Gore didn’t use Big Bill in the 2000 election because he maybe thought that the Lewinsky thing had made him radioactive – when actually Bill Clinton was still pretty popular when he left office. But I don’t think there’s any bad blood about that. People also like to talk about how Al Gore and Hillary didn’t get along in the White House days – but I think those are mostly stories the wingnuts and media love to tell.
jbstonesfan
You’re fine by me.
Sorry that my posts come off negative…I am very concerned at what is happening and just found this site. I was excited to be among hillfanatics like myself. I am just reporting what I see on realpolitics.com/Druge/MSNBC/CNN…I know they are all biased, but realpolitics usually presents all polls, and both pro and con stories on each candidates.
Thanks Ben.
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# jbstonesfan Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Jimmy Carter also dislikes the Clintons as he feels Bill did not pay him respect during his administration. Also, with Carter’s love of everything Palestinian, is it a surprise he is in Hussein’s corner???
Personally, I think a Jimmy Carter endorsement would mean NOTHING
I would love to believe that Iben! It would be nice if not everyone Bill and Hillary helped or worked with didn’t hate them! They did great things when Bill was in office. I wish this jealousy and vendettas that are associated wiht the democrats did not exist!
lininla , you’re one tough chick.
jbstonesfan, I wouldn’t put any sticker on my car. You know how hard it is to scrape those damn things off.
Support her by contributing and doing what you’re doing.
Quite an amazing analysis:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/no_really_hillary_has_a_decent.html
Bill and Hillary have lots of loyal friends and staff.
Hillary couldn’t make this run without them.
The media just loves conflict, so that’s what we hear about.
confloyd
Agree. I’ve totally lost faith in the Democratic Party during this primary process. I always hope for the best, but sometimes I feel this whole thing is a power play where the elite left or Neo-libs are more concerned about getting control of the party, rather than winning in the Fall. I also know there is a lot of “fear” involved if the nomination is taken away from Obama and his thugs. This is why PA and upcoming primaries are so important. The more electoral blows Hillary can land on Obama, the easier it will be for SD’s to go with her.
im surprised by the msm coverage of these general election polls on obama. they have been saying he has a harder road to beat mccain than hillary.
I’m getting mixed message. Campaign person told me that I should go to Pittsburgh and other little cities.
But the people on the ground who I worked with in TX said they need more volunteers in Philly.
texan4hillary
Yep, but it’s sure good to see. I think it’s amusing that some pundits are wondering why Hillary is running her ad against McCain.
Damnit. No one has sent me a video idea yet. Come on, Dot. You were yelling at me earlier.
Gimme a song to go with our bomb. My brain isn’t working and I’m shot. This Judge and my crazy clients and their even crazier ex’s (and their lazy, unreachable attys) are making me nuts.
JbStones, what’s your undergrad in? How long in practice? What type of law? General litigation here- state not federal.
rickroberts
If that’s the Michael Barone article, I’ve read both of them. They’re pretty optimistic about Hillary’s chances of getting the popular vote. For example, I think he has Hillary winning PA by 20 pts. I’d feel more comfortable if a little FL/MI can get worked into those totals.
OkieAtty, how about Eye of the Tiger (theme song from Rocky)
Okie .. I like the Rocky song myself. It personifies her battle right now IMO.
On a Carter endorsement: I know we have posters here who were around for the Carter presidency. Isn’t Jimmy viewed as a lousy POTUS? He’s done great work since he left office, but most Americans don’t remember his White House yrs too fondly. Also, wasn’t there a dustup a few years ago when he said something about the Israeli/Palestinian situation. If there any Jewish posters on right now I’d like to know how the Jewish community responded to that.
jbstonesfan: “…I know they are all biased, but realpolitics usually presents all polls, and both pro and con stories on each candidates.”
well…as long as they are pro-hillary and con-obama stories…
OkieAtty:
putting my thoughts here on your money bomb vid.
the biggest hurdle hill has had has been sexism….right?
men vs women
bambi wants race to drive this race, but i say let’s turn the narrative to “womens liberation”
Jimmy Carter’s presidency was terrible, I’d not want his endorement .. it brings back bad memories.
from rickroberts posted article: realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/no_really_hillary_has_a_decent.html
Conclusion
All told, this gives Hillary around a 100K margin of victory, using Obama’s best count system (use caucus estimates, don’t us FL or MI). In truth, I think the best system credits FL — both were on the ballot, neither campaigned, and even though the delegates don’t count, the votes were still cast. Under this count, she wins by almost a half million votes — exactly Gore’s popular vote win over Bush.
And therein lies the rub. Are the Democrats, who still feel victimized by 2000, going to go with the person who very narrowly won the bizarre system of delegate allocations? Who won because of Texas’ primacaucus, and the refusal to seat FL and MI?
But then again, are they going to not nominate the first African-American who won the most delegates? Or will they gamble on the notion that balck’s will still turn out Democrat, or will at worst stay home, while the women and blue collar Dems who supported Hillary might really vote for McCain?
It’s a mess for Democrats under that scenario. I don’t know what the Superdelegates will do. Heck, we don’t even know who all the Superdelegates are at this point! But she has a reasonable pathway to get to this point. And once she gets there, it is anybody’s ballgame.
(BTW, also note that calling for her to drop out before PA, PR, KY and WV vote would be akin to asking Obama to drop out because he was trailing with GA, AL, and MS yet to vote. It’s cutting her off before literally her best states vote).
helen Reddy : i am woman
youtube.com/watch?v=aPDcMyPlFvw
Obamabots are creaming Clinton on MI & FL here:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/clinton-floats-delegate -petition/
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Gerri is saying that she should be fired. She is saying that Obama people are inciting this and she has gotten lots of hate mail.
I think suspension, not firing but this is seriousl
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On my local talk show, http://www.schinittshow.com, heplayed the heavily redacted Rhandi Rhodes tirade. He also played a clip by Geraldine Ferarro responding.
Rhandi is disgusting and we should all let Mark Green know that this is intolerable especially from a ‘progressive liberal’ station and worse from a woman. Does anyone wonder why the listenership has dropped over there.
I’m sure that Fox will cover this.
does anyone have statistics on the # of prior democrats, independents and republicans of the 2000/04 elections and how many first time registered democrats not counting cross overs?
and do we have any statistics as to how those “prior” dems voted in this current election?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 5:25 pm
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when I try that link I get a page not found response,
new thread up!
tiburones,
i can’t get the link, either.
All,
If Imus was fired for his ‘nappy-head ho’ comment Rhodes should be canned for using similar language in reference to Senator Clinton and Ms. Ferrara.
Ben,
I think I got confused when I posted there was disagreement about the implications of the Cook County vote. Anyway, i can’t find whatever it was that made me post that. Sorry.
Let’s face it. This is good versus evil. That’s a terrible testimony for the state of affairs for the Democratic Party, but that’s just the way it is. The Republicans talk about how they are no longer the party of Reagan. Agreed. And this is no longer the party of FDR or Bill Clinton. Sure, things change. But there’s that word again – change. And I think, at least most of us agree, the change has been in the wrong direction. So the answer certainly isn’t to fast-forward over the cliff. And that is what the noe-libs, anti-Americans represent. They hate everything about this country, yet the overwhelming majority never picked up a a rifle to defend this country – and I include Al Gore in that. It’s great to be a champion for the environment and poverty (Edwards), even create Habitat for Humanity (Carter). But when these “leaders” lean toward Obama, AFTER all of the revelations about Ayers, Wright, UCC, NBPP, Nation of Islam and Rezko connections, coupled with the documented outright lies told by Obama – then I begin to question “Who is the Democrataic Party?” How did they become so secular that they literally sold their souls to the devil (or Antichrist, in this case IMHO). Because, I’m starting to think that it’s not me at all. If there was ever a time for the valid entrance of a third Independent Party – this is it. For me, it’s Hillary or bust.
boy Donna Brazile is really tearing Hillary down with her article
http://www.donnabrazile.com/viewNews.cfm?id=261
And an interesting note by Karl Rove on Obama
http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2008/04/Karl-Rove-likes.html
LOL…Schnitt(Todd) is a conservative talk show host out of Tampa who I hear down hear in Delray on 610 WIOD…heis not as fanatic as Rush/hannity, and but he is definitely a rightie. He did say, however, he would vote for Hillary before Obama.
As for Randi, she did a lot of good for the dems until she became hell bent on Obama…she was always for Obama but claimed she would withhold her endorsement of the candidates until the primary was over. She then claimed she was pissed at Hillary’s campaign for some bullshit, and has gone crazy in her zeal for Obama and loathing for Hillary.
Looking back on things, how we mainstream dems allowed the party to be taken over by the fanatics at kos/moveon is very sad. Dean started it, and these people are , more than anyone, hurting Hillary’s chances. Their hate is worse than much of what I hear from the righties.
Brazille is not worth the time of day….she is Gore’s tool as well as that of Pelosi and Reid. I pray to god that Hillary wins this thing and that she and Bill get the sweet revenge they deserve on all these SOB’s…