Lawyers, Guns, and Money

While Obama “poses” as good guy, his campaign continues to try to bully Hillary Clinton out of the race. Not the first time for these Chicago thugs.

Democratic Superdelegates Obama is trying to strongarm into supporting him know there is much about Obama we all do not know. Increasingly, it becomes obvious to the sentient that Obama is a flim flam man. Obama, like all flim flam con artists is also a methodical and repetitive liar.

During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion — positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he has projected during his presidential campaign.

The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group’s detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his 1996 bid for a state Senate seat.

Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama’s answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he “never saw or approved” the questionnaire.

They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who “unintentionally mischaracterize[d] his position.”

But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago nonprofit group that issued it. And it found that Obama — the day after sitting for the interview — filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer.

You won’t see any of these stacked up Obama lies on television.

The two questionnaires, provided to Politico with assistance from political sources opposed to Obama’s presidential campaign, were later supplied directly by the group, Independent Voters of Illinois — Independent Precinct Organization. Obama and his then-campaign manager, who Obama’s campaign asserts filled out the questionnaires, were familiar with the group, its members and its positions, since both were active in it before Obama’s 1996 state Senate run.

Through an aide, Obama, who won the group’s endorsement as well as the statehouse seat, did not dispute that the handwriting was his. But he contended it doesn’t prove he completed, approved — or even read — the latter questionnaire.
[snip]

But the questionnaires provide fodder to question Obama’s ideological consistency and electability. Those questions are central to efforts by Obama’s presidential rival Hillary Clinton to woo the superdelegates whose votes represent her best chance to wrest the Democratic nomination from Obama.

What a shock. An inexperienced boob making mistakes.

Taken together — and combined with later policy pronouncements — the two 1996 questionnaires paint a picture of an inexperienced Obama still trying to feel his way around major political issues and less constrained by the nuance that now frames his positions on sensitive issues. [snip]

Consider the question of whether minors should be required to get parental consent — or at least notify their parents — before having abortion. [snip]

The evolution continued at least through late last year, when his campaign filled out a questionnaire for a nonpartisan reproductive health group  that answered a similar question with even more nuance.[snip]

Both versions of the 1996 questionnaires provide answers his presidential campaign disavows to questions about whether Obama supports capital punishment and state legislation to “ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.”

He responded simply “No” and “Yes,” respectively, to those questions on both questionnaires.

But a fact sheet provided by his campaign flatly denies Obama ever held those views, asserting he “consistently supported the death penalty for certain crimes but backed a moratorium until problems were fixed.” And it points out that as a state senator, he led an effort to reform Illinois’ death penalty laws.

On guns, the fact sheet says he “has consistently supported common-sense gun control, as well as the rights of law-abiding gun owners.”

After Politico’s story on the first questionnaire, Clinton aides seized on the handgun-ban answer in particular, which a campaign press release asserted called into question Obama’s electability.

That was a curious argument to make in a Democratic primary. But Republicans will certainly seek to make it in the general election if Obama is the Democratic standard-bearer against the presumptive GOP nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain.

Blame the staff, that’s what Obama does. You read it on Big Pink first.

It could also provide ammunition for a line of attack quietly peddled for some time by Republicans. They allege Obama has a penchant for blaming his staff for gaffes ranging from missing a union event in New Hampshire to circulating opposition research highlighting the Clintons’ ties to India and Indian-Americans to underestimating the amount of cash bundled for his campaigns by his former fundraiser, indicted businessman Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

And the questionnaires play into storylines pushed by both Republicans and Clinton suggesting Obama has altered his views to appeal to differing audiences.[snip]

“One big issue was: Does he or does he not believe the stuff he told us in 1996?” said Aviva Patt, who has been involved with the IVI-IPO since 1990 and is now the group’s treasurer. She volunteered for Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign, but voted to endorse the since-aborted presidential campaign of Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio) and professed disappointment over Obama’s retreat from ownership of the questionnaire.

“I always believed those to be his views,” she said, adding some members of the board argued that Obama’s 1996 answers were “what he really believes in, and he’s tailoring it now to make himself more palatable as a nationwide candidate.”

Unbelievable, another way of saying “liar”.

Dobry, Patt and current IVI-IPO state chairman David K. Igasaki, a Clinton supporter, agreed Obama likely didn’t write every word of his campaign’s 1996 answers. But they all dismissed as unbelievable his presidential campaign’s assertion that Obama never saw or signed off on the state Senate questionnaires.

Big Media will not take notice of serial liar Obama but the people will and do increasingly notice that Obama is a flim flam man and liar. Yesterday we noted the clumsy Obama as flim flam man is trying to charm people who are not taken in by his “pose”. In the birthplace of the Reagan Democrat Obama tried to pretend that he is not the Chicago thug insider that he proves every day to be. Pretending disdain for “designer beers” Obama posed as friend of the working class. Obama’s constituents, whom Obama’s slumlord friend Rezko tormented, could have used a friend to the working class.

More evidence of how the “Reagan Democrats” are not fooled by Obama’s schtick and poses came this morning.

While Democrats increasingly worry about winning ugly, Barack Obama was losing beautifully at a bowling lane in this central Pennsylvania city.

“My economic plan is better than my bowling,” Obama told fellow bowlers Saturday evening at the Pleasant Valley Recreation Center.

“It has to be,” a man called out. [snip]

Saturday night, it was Obama Bowl-a-Rama.

And it was clear from the start that Obama was way out of his league, certainly any bowling league.

Obama bowled a 37. Reagan Democrats know about is out of his league in running for president.

Meanwhile people powered Hillary was in the real world of North Carolina.

Hillary Clinton kicked off her North Carolina primary campaign last week at a technical school that bills itself “College for the Real World.” After some pleasantries and a stab at a basketball reference, she began to outline what she called “the problems that we face” as a nation.

“Our American workers work harder and are more productive than anyone,” she said. “And yet for too many, here in North Carolina and elsewhere, that hard work doesn’t seem to be paying off.”

That same morning, Barack Obama hit New York City for a speech on America’s housing crisis. He opened with a 300-word history of the Founding Fathers’ views on free markets.

“In the more than two centuries since then,” he said, “we have struggled to balance the same forces that confronted Hamilton and Jefferson—self-interest and community; markets and democracy; the concentration of wealth and power, and the necessity of transparency and opportunity for each and every citizen.”

The difference in those speeches helps explain Clinton’s success in fashioning herself as the “Working Class Hero” of the 2008 Democratic presidential race.

Hillary is people powered because Hillary understands what ordinary Americans who can’t afford to shop at Whole Foods are suffering.

Clinton makes for an unlikely modern Rosie the Riveter: a suburban-born corporate lawyer, a former first lady who never worked an assembly line, never picketed her employer. But across the country, particularly in manufacturing hubs feeling the pains of globalization, blue-collar voters have kept her candidacy alive.

Voters, analysts and political strategists trace that support to lingering affection for Clinton’s husband and the economic boom of his presidency — but only in part.

They also say a range of strategies has won Clinton working-class backing: her focus on economic problems and solutions, the clarity of her speeches, and a personal story of trial and survival that, in its own way, hits home with many voters suffering financially this year.

“For blue-collar Democratic voters choosing a candidate, the first question is usually, ‘Does he or she understand my life?‘ ” said Mark Kornblau, who advised former Sen. John Edwards in his unsuccessful presidential bid this year. He said Clinton has improved in that area over the course of the campaign. “I don’t think it’s natural, and I don’t think it comes from any real life experience … but she uses language that really describes what’s going on in people’s lives.” [snip]

Melissa Dunston and her husband bought a new house two years ago. She lost her job before they made the first payment. They started a trucking company. When fuel prices shot up last year, they lost that too.

Dunston identifies with Clinton’s public struggles. “To have been through everything she has, she really is ‘I have overcome,’ ” said Dunston, a public school teacher’s assistant.

Clinton’s campaign doesn’t have all the money it needs to keep pace with Obama, she added, “but they still make it. You think, ‘I can relate to that.’ “

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But the blue-collar vote delivered campaign-sustaining victories to Clinton in Ohio and Texas earlier this month. In both states, exit polls showed her beating Obama by 15 percentage points among voters who lacked a a college degree. She also won solid majorities among those who earn $50,000 a year or less.

Those voters figure to drive primary results in West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana and North Carolina, which vote May 6; and Pennsylvania, next on the calendar, where polls indicate Clinton leads handily. They’re also a key piece of the Clinton campaign’s electability-themed argument to “superdelegates,” the Democratic elites who are all but assured of deciding the party’s nominee.

We earlier argued that

Barack Obama is today’s George Bush. Obama promises unity but so far has only served division. Obama supporters now threaten death and destruction at the Democratic Party National Convention if their precious Obama does not get the nomination. Obama supporters are threatening a fight at the convention. Our response: Knives or Guns?

Hillary has made it clear: we are convention bound. We will fight for the rights of Michigan and Florida voters. To get to Denver, Hillary needs financing, today.

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488 thoughts on “Lawyers, Guns, and Money

  1. ADMIN,

    BECAUSE i belong to, and are active in a union. we have what is a ‘suggested’ contribution, to what in my union is called the Member non partisan political action league : MNPL…

    we have ‘donations’ subtracted from our checks weekly.
    we also have what is considered appropriate for a member in good standing to contribute each month when they hold office in our union.
    also we pass the ‘basket’ at all events as well as at the ‘hall’.

    i see people down to their last dime giving, i must say, i’ve never seen anything like it…
    we are all going to be broke after this election, but we plan on getting our moneys worth…

  2. skmf12
    so what happens to a member who does not support the unions choice. can they stop the “donation” without retribution? sorry but that process seems dead wrong to me

  3. Email from Hillary today, in case anyone didn’t get this:


    Dear Democrats,

    You have spoken loud and clear over the past few days with a tremendous show of support. Your actions are drowning out the voices calling for this race to come to an end, and I am truly touched that you are so committed to our campaign.

    Now we have just a few hours left before our midnight fundraising deadline. This is our last chance to show our strength in the midst of the onslaught from our opponent who wants this race to end before millions of Americans have their say.

    Together we are going to keep fighting and winning. But first we need to show that we have the resources to compete vigorously in the upcoming races, and I’m depending on you for that support.

    I wish you and I could share some of the experiences I’m having on the campaign together. But I recorded a special video message for you on the trail recently, and I hope you’ll take a look.

    We’re just short of reaching our $3 million goal by the end of the month — your contribution could be the one that puts us over the top.

    Thank you so much for all you have done and continue to do — on to victory!

    Thank you for everything,
    Hillary

  4. skmf12, it is also difficult for many working class Hillary supporters to donate.

    Ordinarily a person cannot get money from someone else to donate to a political campaign. That is typically called a “straw” donor. It is illegal.

    But many Obama upper class students are getting money from weathy parents to donate to Obama. Politically it is difficult to question these types of donations but clearly Obama is benefitting financially from wealthy “straw” student donors.

    Working people have children and families to take care of. That is why it is so amazing that Hillary is getting so much financial support.

  5. I really like Earl Ofari Hutchinson – he is here in Southern California, and he is also African American…someday, I might make it down a venue where he has an open discussion and say, thank you for his courage and speaking out.

  6. some of us last night were discussing propaganda and the psychological warfare, the media is waging against us, Hillary supporters, and how it gives us an inkling of what it must feel like to live in a fascist society – and lo and behold, today more on Axelrod (excerpt below):

    businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm

    The Secret Side of David Axelrod
    The master of “Astroturfing” has a second firm that shapes public opinion for corporations

    David Axelrod has long been known for his political magic. Through his AKP&D Message & Media consultancy, the campaign veteran has advised a succession of Democratic candidates since 1985, and he’s now chief strategist for Senator Barack Obama’s bid for President. But on the down low, Axelrod moonlights in the private sector.

    From the same River North address, Axelrod operates a second business, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way. He and his partners consider virtually everything about ASK to be top secret, from its client roster and revenue to even the number of its employees. But customers and public records confirm that it has quarterbacked campaigns for the Chicago Children’s Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T.

    ASK’s predilection for operating in the shadows shows up in its work. On behalf of ComEd and Comcast, the firm helped set up front organizations that were listed as sponsors of public-issue ads. Industry insiders call such practices “Astroturfing,” a reference to manufacturing grassroots support. Alderman Brendan Reilly of the 42nd Ward, who has been battling the Children’s Museum’s relocation plans, describes ASK as “the gold standard in Astroturf organizing. This is an emerging industry, and ASK has made a name for itself in shaping public opinion and manufacturing public support.”

  7. hey all – vote here – she’s winning this one put out by Philly newspaper – should Clinton battle it all the way to the convention?

    philly.com/philly/news/politics/

  8. “Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men.”

    “Never let the enemy pick the battle site.”

    “Say what you mean and mean what you say.”

    “Success is how you bounce on the bottom.”

    “It’s the unconquerable soul of man, not the nature of the weapon he uses, that insures victory.” Gen. George S. Patton jr.

  9. mj it means they sit behind keyboards and control every web site, every poll, every news headline. Haven’t you noticed that even when you google john edwards name you go to barack obama website. It’s an invasion

  10. Age wrinkles the body. Quitting wrinkles the soul.

    I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.

    Douglas MacArthur

  11. I believe it means they control every poll also. Hillary’s gotta do it with boots on the ground, face to face.

  12. Holy crap! 200K to go and Hillary will hit that $3 million dollar mark and the day is still young!

    Admin, you’re right. It is remarkable that since Hillary’s base are working class people, they still donate.

    Hillary supporters are the most dedicated group of people.

  13. theres a new story about obama being more liberal than what he said and about him having handwritten notes on the papers when his campaign denied he even had anything to do with itt …now the answer, he didn’t mean, even if he wrote it that was a long time ago. It’s going to take voters own intuition to take him down .. the old belief that if its too good to be true, it usually is

  14. dot48
    i guess thats why those insignificant little trolls resort to personal attacks upon innocent people here. its a site they cannot control so they attempt to harm where they can. god i pray those people do not recreate.

  15. WHOAH, Ininla! That astroturfing revelation about Axelrod is big, big news. This is about 100 times worse than anything Mark Penn’s ever been accused of. And it proves that Obama’s so-called “grass roots support” has been engineered by puppet-master Axelrod. Ugh!

  16. (Channelling Reverend Manning)

    “Yes, they recreate. 7 out of ten of them have illegitmate children they aren’t paying child support for. And they want to choose the next president of the US?! NO NO NO!”

  17. ADMIN, HENRY,

    SORRY, ON SOME SITE SOMEWHERE…

    HENRY,
    we do not use members dues for political purposes, absolutely against the law…

    but we do have drives every year, to sign up members to contribute to their union political league, some give .50cents a week, and some give quite a bit more…
    many members feel the need to support candidates that best reflect the needs of the working class members. that means someone who has a good voting record on such things as trade, fmla, minimum wage, to work and safety rules…

    OUR UNION THE MACHINIST UNION, holds member meetings and votes the candidate best suited to represent our needs, this election we endorsed hillary clinton.

    if any member wishes at any time to withdraw their monthly support of our political league, they fill out a card and withdraw. a person who may not care for a candidate may choose not to donate to the candidate…

    ADMIN,

    how much more astonishing to see people whipping out their 5 dollars, even when they really are at the end of the pay period, and dont have much money, but they do…

  18. I really hope Hillary can hold onto a big lead in Pa. they are pushing hard with ads everywhere, the bus tours and throwing money everywhere. I just don’t know

  19. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging the future but by the past.
    Patrick Henry

    He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.
    Benjamin Franklin

    He that lives upon hope will die fasting.
    Benjamin Franklin

    Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide.
    John Adams, Letter, April 15, 1814

  20. I read all sorts of stuff, much of which i dismiss as over-the-top but some of which strikes a chord. When i heard the Dean announcement on Friday i KNEW it was gonna be BAD.
    About the astro-turfing; if BO were ever able to weasel his way into the WH, i don’t doubt that such practices as microchipping of SS numbers and other personal data will be far behind. Heck, they’ve already started doing that in several S. American countries.
    I have not felt this terrified by media manipulation since the Kuwait invasion. This is also a war. A psychological propaganda war and it is every bit as real as those in the Middle East fought with bombs and guns and missiles.

  21. skmf12
    a friend who is a boilermaker his union endorsed bambi. he has absolutely no intention of voting for him, but if he signed up for whatever the donation may be is his money going to a candidate he himself would not have supported. he also said he had to prove he was registered to vote when he joined the union. to me that just seems wrong. if i am mistaken please feel free to educate me. I think unions are absolutely necessary but i fear that the individuals holding the power within are no different than Kerry/Kennedy/Dean.

  22. I apologize, that comment was out of line. I just saw that reverend manning video and I guess it just popped into my head.

    I agree, that wasn’t appropriate. Sorry if I insulted anyone.

  23. I’ve asked this already .. but somebody who is a lawyer should be contacted. Re: Dean telling the superdelegates they must have a decision by June or July … when our own DNC rules for the convention say that this can be taken to a floor fight. Couldnt voters sue Howard Dean in a suit of somekind for some kind of disenfranchisement by telling the superdelegates that they have to now make a decision by June or July when the rules state that is what the convention is for.

    Doesn’t Hillary have a team of lawyers that maybe InInla could send to and ask? What about voters who would rather we take this to the floor regardless .. as our right as members of the party. Or do we as individual members do not count.

    they want this over so they can try to staunch any damage that they know if gonna come to obama by the repubs. they seem hell bent on giving him the nomination we must fight till the end.

  24. A HILLARY BENEFIT IN THE NYC/NORTH JERSEY AREA!!!!!!!!

    Details:

    Sunday, April 6, 2008
    5pm – 9 pm
    126 Webster Avenue, Suite 1C
    Jersey City, NJ

    OPEN BAR & DINNER
    SILENT AUCTION
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    $75 per person
    ALL $$$ to go to Hillary’s campaign!

    Please spread the word……..

  25. Dean can’t tell the SDs they have to do anything.

    This is politics — the rules can change day to day.

    The DNC made up these rules about FL and MI last winter, on the fly, and now they are acting like they’re the Constitution or something.

    It’s all BS.

  26. Who decides – delegates or voters?
    By DAVE DAVIES
    Philadelphia Daily News

    “Remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged,” Clinton told the Daily News editorial board last week. “You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They’re just like superdelegates.”

    While analysts think most pledged delegates are hard-core partisans who won’t stray, City Controller Alan Butkovitz, who’s running in the primary as a Clinton delegate, said this is a year in which anything could happen.

    “What do [Obama] delegates do if Bill Clinton shows up at their house?” Butkovitz asked. “He’s the best salesman there is. He’s a very potent weapon who brings tremendous emotional power.”

    Entire article:
    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20080331_Who_decides_-_delegates_or_voters_.html

  27. I’m not easily scarked but the push in Pa by Obama is wall to wall .. Hillary doesn’t seem to have the onground like she did in tx so we gotta be extra fruitful in calling. I’d love to hear from someone on the ground with the campaign .. nobody from the network is even covering her it seems.

  28. Rev Manning is a from a Harlem church and he really doesn’t like Obama and Wright. He is pretty outrageous, and has some crazy youtube videos. I am sorry I brought him up, though, I was quoting him to be funny (it wasn’t) and I don’t agree with his views. He’s almost like a cartoon character.

  29. well bill clinton had superbowl with richardson and he turned judas for offer of veep. and it is what it was.

  30. Dot,

    I asked another member who is in touch with you to FORWARD the doc to you as i can’t seem to get through.

  31. HENRY,

    if your friend signed up to have a regular contribution to the political arm of his union, than yes, whatever contributions that they get, they use to support their candidates.

    if your friend is an ‘active’ member in his union, that means he would be going to monthly meetings, and if he is ‘politically active’, he would be engaged in all the activities, that go on about five nights a week at his ‘local lodge’ at this busy political season…
    at these meetings, members are asked to donate both time and money towards the goal of supporting their candidate…

    as for proving he is elegible to vote to join his union, THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL, believe me…
    he may have been asked to register to vote by a member, i myself have done this work, all unions have voter registration drives. but we dont demand anyone to register…

    AND henry, unions can only make recommendations, they cannot coerce
    members to vote the party line… unions are a democracy…
    remember in las vegas, the culinary union members thumbed their noses at obama, even though their union endorsed ob…

    the hope is that each union actively educates its members all year long about issues that are important to them, and therefore keeps them politically aware enough that they will see the importance of lobbying for themselves through their union…

  32. The New Susa KY poll kinda proves, HRC is going nowhere out of this race.

    People of KY aint buying his shit!

    Be interesting to see the very reliable SUSA polls for the rest of the states later! I bet it sends a shock when they release PA.

  33. KY the details

    In Kentucky, Clinton 2:1 Atop Obama, 7 Weeks to the Primary: In a Democratic Primary in Kentucky today, 03/31/08, 7 weeks till the votes are counted, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 58% to 29%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WHAS-TV Louisville and WCPO-TV Cincinnati. Clinton leads narrowly in greater Louisville, but leads decisively in other parts of the state, including 4:1 in Eastern KY. Obama trails by 20 among men, trails by 37 among women.

  34. 03/31: Join Hillary for a “Solutions for the Pennsylvania Economy” Rally in Levittown!
    04/01: Join Hillary for a “Solutions for the Pennsylvania Economy” Town Hall in Wilkes-Barre!
    04/01: Join Hillary for a “Solutions for the Pennsylvania Economy” Rally in Erie!
    04/02: Join Hillary for a “21st Century Jobs Summit” in Pittsburgh

    03/31: Come Join Chelsea Clinton for an “Our Voices, Our Future” Event
    03/31: Come Join Chelsea Clinton for an “Our Voices, Our Future” Event
    03/31: Chelsea Clinton Attends an “Our Voices, Our Future” Event
    03/31: Come Join Chelsea Clinton for a meeting with Young Professionals
    04/02: Hillary Raleigh Office Headquarters Opening Party

    Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008

    Reception with Senator Clinton in Menlo Park:
    At 6:00 p.m. please join John Doerr in welcoming Senator Clinton for a reception in Menlo Park at the Quadrus Conference Center. The cost of the event is $500 per person. To attend the 5:00 p.m. VIP reception the cost will be $2,300 per person and will include a picture with the Senator. For more information or to RSVP, contact Marina Costabile at 415-402-0303 or go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com/menlopark

    Thursday, April 3rd, 2008 (*please note time change)

    Breakfast with Senator Clinton in San Francisco:
    At 8:00 a.m. join Senator Clinton for breakfast at The Merchants Exchange Building in the Julia Morgan Ballroom in San Francisco. The cost of the event is $250 per person. To attend the 7:30 a.m. VIP reception the cost will be $2,300 per person and will include a picture with the Senator. For more in formation or to RSVP, contact Sabra Foley at 415-402-0303 or go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com/sanfrancisco

  35. I’ll stop after this link but it does go to the issue of propaganda, mind-control and brainwashing that so many others have commented on an, like me, believe is at the rotten heart of this nomination process.

    It’s 9 minutes long.

    //www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXon

  36. 1) Has BO ever been as gracious as Hillary in strongly recommending that her people not vote for McCain if she doesn;t get the nomination?

    2) Has anything been made of BO’s apparent lie that Rev. Wright apologized for his hate language?

  37. This article is awesome.

    It argues based on population, Clinton wins the popular vote hand down.

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/3/28/projection-clinton-wins-popular-vote-obama-wins-delegate-count.html

    The Clinton campaign would do even better to use population rather than electoral votes, since smaller states are overrepresented in the Electoral College. By my count, based on the 2007 Census estimates, Clinton’s states have 132,214,460 people (160,537,525 if you include Florida and Michigan), and Obama’s states have 101,689,480 people. States with 39,394,152 people have yet to vote. In percentage terms this means Clinton’s states have 44 percent of the nation’s population (53 percent if you include Florida and Michigan) and Obama’s states have 34 percent of the nation’s population. The yet-to-vote states have 13 percent of the nation’s population.

  38. Just saw Amy Klobuchar on TV, if she had smiled or been more giddy about Obama I swear she would have wet herself. Must have had a dose of Kool-aid before giving the interview.

  39. everyone who blogs on this page and everyone who support Hillary Clinton for president should take a minute to congratulate ourselves for yet another successful fund raising push!

    WAY TO GO TEAM HILLARY!

    http://www.thehill.com/campaign-2008/wolfson-our-cash-flow-is-good-2008-03-31.html

    Wolfson: ‘Our cash flow is good’
    By Klaus Marre
    Posted: 03/31/08 03:43 PM [ET]
    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y) communications director Howard Wolfson said Monday that the former first lady’s presidential campaign is raising “a considerable amount of money” and that its “cash flow is good.”
    Wolfson reacted to reports stating that the campaign was experiencing a cash crunch during the home stretch of the primary season.

    “Our cash flow is good. Bills are being paid. We are continuing to raise a considerable amount of money. We had the best fundraising month in the campaign’s history last month,” said Wolfson on MSNBC. “We are continuing to do well this month. The support that we’re receiving over the Internet especially is very, very strong.”

  40. are u guys watching abc news? pelosi says end it NOW. says clinton is in debt 8 mil-hasnt paid med bills.

  41. did anyone see cafferty earlier tonight??

    he looked and sounded like he was choking on a chicken bone LOL

    when he had to read the “breaking news” obama campaign called to update the report on the 7 SD in NC endorsing him was NOT true, they only got ONE SD!! the other 6 had said they were not endorsing anyone at this time 😀

    and Cafferty again spitting out feathers as he spoke also made mention to the 50 supposed SD that were going to endorse after texas never actually endorsed either 😛

  42. well, well, well! I just won JumboBucks lottery here in my state. $2,000. I’ve just sent my online payment to pay off my contribution to HRC and I’ll have some more play dough! Yipee. I hope we can count on a floor fight..I think I’ll save mine till then. If not, Mr. McCain welcome another voter. I can surve another 8 years of repubs but I couldn’t survive that lying sack of shit and his bald head cronies.

  43. T4H

    I wouldn’t worry about it much, HRC campaign reported today that those bills had been paid they just were not reflected on this last FEC report

    so i take it as it was all MSM spin again

  44. MOON……..YEP 😀 I couldn’t believe it either!!!

    he really did look like a big ol chicken bone was stuck in his throat too as he had to deliver that news LOL

  45. Well guys we were all right, we all said that when Obama said he had 50 sd’s waiting to endorse him after Ohio, we all said, ok come on then, show us and we were right, it was bullshit.

  46. congrats Dot! Now, we’ve all got to win the Superlotto. awesome news.

    Also, re: Pelosi – F HER and the Obama horse she rode in on. What is their problem? Afraid to say that the DNC and Pelosi et al have it all rigged for messiah Obama? Afraid the public’s going to tell them otherwise?

  47. well who died and made Pelosi God?

    She is seriously losing it. She needs to seek mental counseling immediately. She doesn’t have the right to shut down voting in America. She will be voted out as soon as possible and she’ll be a nobody, she and her plastic face

  48. I’d love to ask Pelosi what her fucking problem but i know what it is, it means that Hillary wins the Pres, she wont be the highest ranking women ever.

  49. lets make another call log to Ms. Pelosi. she doesn’t seem to know her job description, I think I’ll read it to her while I make my next phone call.

  50. If pelosi wanted to sit as president should could of gotten off her A$$ and impeached both cheney and bush
    years ago……then ran as the first female candidate and won it big time!

    so what really is her deal??

  51. Yesterday I attended nnon partisan local event here in northern California. I took my neighbor who is for McCain (she wanted Biden first but now is happy with McCain).

    At the event there was an older woman (retireed in her seventies) who has been a democratic party loyalist for her little town. She mentioned Bill’s speech at the Sann Jose convention and also she thinks – with her group – that Hillary is plotting toun again in 2012….ceding to McCain in 2008 over BO soon. And this woman said she loved Obama like anything is better than Bush.

    VEry dipmocatically, I aagreed that annybody will be better than Bush and yes that includes McCain. I said I am thinking of McCain as a solution over Obama and that I am independent leaning. This lady made sure that looked at my name on my shoulder! And when my neighbor started on the Wright issue with Obama, the lady was confused! She probably though that most of northerm Ca

  52. The Honorable Nancy Pelosi

    U.S. House of Representatives

    235 Cannon HOB

    Washington, DC 20515

    Phone: (202) 225-4965

    I would leave out the “Honorable” part. What a joke!

  53. dot, congratulations — you deserve it 🙂

    Pelosi should do her job and shut up about the presidential campaign.

  54. Is there seriously something wrong with Amy Klobuchar?? She was all giddy like a 15 year old; and then she quoted her 12 year old daughter. Like are you serious?? She kept talking but it was like she wasn’t talking about anything. And then she said something to the degree of “What Obama has done for my state” or something and she didn’t elaborate because he hasn’t done jack shit.

  55. This all just Obama’s camp strategy to try and put pressure on Hillary to get out. They tried the same thing right before TX and OH and we all know what happened there. They will keep this up through the PA primary catch their breath and do it all over again leading up to the IN and NC primaries. After hillary wins all 3 her surrogates should start screaming at the top of their lungs on every news channel that Obama can not win in November and for the good of the party should end his run now and untie behind Hillary!

  56. moonpluto,
    ‘I’d love to ask Pelosi what her fucking problem but i know what it is, it means that Hillary wins the Pres, she wont be the highest ranking women ever.’

    My sentiments exactly.

    DOT,

    CONGRATS on the win! I’ll take that as a good omen. 😀

  57. Office of the Speaker
    H-232, US Capitol
    Washington, DC 20515
    (202) 225-0100

    Tell her to stay out and do her job in Washington. She can vote whoever she wants but stop trying to tell other people in all the remaining states that their votes don’t coutn.

    I also hope Hillary calls her out on her finances regarding her campaign

  58. Just get used to the calls to end this primary and the reports of how Hillary can’t win.

    It’s what Obama surrogates and the media does (before NH, Super Tuesday, TX & OH, and now PA).

    Just shrug it off and move on (if you can push back). The routine is not going to change.

  59. I called her at the speakers # and told her very politely but firmly that she has a job that she is receiving big taxpayer dollars to do and that if she wanted to spout aspirations of what serious presidential candidates should do she should have trhown her own hat it.

    I also reminded her that we’re still waiting on her 100 day promise…

  60. actually someone should call her out on that, is she saying this because then effectively the top female democrat?

    Someone in the media needs to ask her straight and sideline her?

  61. big brother taking over right now with Bushes big Treasury solution. He’s getting as much big brother done before he leaves as possible.

  62. Someone asked if John Edwards was in Hillary’s position right now if they would be calling for him to drop out and I think the answer is a resounding no!

    Are they punishing Hill for Gore losing? Is this what is happening? I can’t wrap my mind around why the party would throw the first qualified woman candidate with a shot to win off the train.

  63. Gore lost because he did not want Bill campaigning for him. Brazile can point to Florida all she wants, but if a candidate can not carry their own state (Tennessee) they deserve to lose. If Gore had carried TN he would be in the WH now.

  64. jr, my homestate sure attracts goofball politicians. I saw her Klobuchars giddy face on the twin cities news tonight and had to turn it off. I think she was just enjoying the limelight and ego boost from being on TV. She probabably thinks her one vote will swing everything to Obama.

  65. Hillyb-illy
    There is a fight going on for the control of the dem party. Many. No all behind Obama want the clinton control of the party OVER. I think they may be ready to sink the ship to get what they want. Obama will lose. No question. but it seems as if they want the clintons ousted more than anything. Myslef, I think there is a lot of classism involved. A lot of the dem elite never accepted Bill Clinton. Much the way LBJ was never accepted. there is an eastern elite within the dem party.

  66. They’re afraid she might win.

    And she’s so effective that they’d have to get off their lazy asses and actually do their jobs, instead of hanging out and having a beer with BO (if he can figure out what kind of beer to have).

  67. I’m thrilled about my lottery win and I almost never play! I went in to get a trade paper and something just told me to get a $2 ticket. I’m now able to tank up the car for a trip into Wva..my stomping grounds. Got folk there to stay with so I think I will enjoy maybe getting to do some on the groung work.

    Remember, keep phone banking into every state.

    Don’t do the phone bank on the website. contact someone from the state and ask them to get you a directive dialer ..

    I can’t wait to get a W.Va. list and even Ky List.

  68. AmericanGal

    Like she and Casey think that 2 senators who have been in the senate for a year can sway party elders and SD who have been in DC for years.

  69. Hillary’s solutions are sound solutions and things that can be done. The promises of “change” and “unity” that obama brings will bring big disappointment. Look at Deval and you will see a striking resemblance and you will see what would happen. The Kerry and Kennedy want a puppet and when they find that Obama won’t be a puppet .. well serious stuff will ahppen

  70. They can’t blame Hillary for Gore’s losing in 2000.

    In 1998 she worked her tail off for Congressional candidates and they actually gained seats, against all conventional wisdom and precedent.

    They should love her.

  71. Dot

    I’m with you.

    Wish I were still on speaking terms w/ my former smart as a whip and text book author emeritus economics professor husband. At one time he was the leading authority on central banks and macro economics.

    He would tell us immediately what he thought. In the meantime, I learned a bunch from this honest scholar; and smell a rat.

  72. do you think the media is biased against Clinton in favor of obama?

    vote now

    cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

  73. GO VOTE!!!!!

    DObbs doing Media Bias and Senator Clinton.

    Zogby says HRC getting out. for the sake of the party (for the sake of BO)

    Lannie Davis a pit bull.

    Howard Kurtz agreeing the public perception of the media bias is real.

    Question: Do you believe the media bias against HRC is true.

    Go VOTE!

  74. They’re comparing this to the mess Teddy made in 1980. But it’s not comparable because Carter was an incumbent president, and Teddy badly weakened him. This isn’t the same at all.

  75. Did anybody see Obama’s bowling experience on TV? He bowled a 37! What a wuss. I think a 5-year-old could bowl better than that

  76. There’s an interesting diary up at MyDD on the electoral impact of, what the author calls, the 5 Star States. It’s an intelligent and intriguing analysis, and if you happen to know a SD, or know someone who knows a SD, this could be an interesting argument to make for Hillary:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/183257/523

    (If, by chance, this a double post I apologize. Something weird happened when I tried to post.)

  77. Ah yessss! Just received this sweet little nugget from Factcheck.org:

    Obama says he doesn’t take money from oil companies. We say that’s a little too slick.
    Summary
    In a new ad, Obama says, “I don’t take money from oil companies.”

    Technically, that’s true, since a law that has been on the books for more than a century prohibits corporations from giving money directly to any federal candidate. But that doesn’t distinguish Obama from his rivals in the race.

    We find the statement misleading:

    Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.

    Two of Obama’s bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.

  78. FWIW,

    Got email responses from Senators Lautenberg and Salazar to my pro-HRC letter and a lovely snail mail note from Wyoming Governor. Freudenthal.

    Ben – i saw that clip. OMG!!!!!! Not too athletic, is he? :mrgreen:

    birdgal,
    Zogby’s on the payroll. isn’t that lovely? An SD, BO supporter and ostensibly one of the ‘top’ US pollsters.

  79. guys – calm down…

    Zogby is a superdelegate for BO – so, it’s just another piece of propaganda their launching; yet another meme to demoralize us – do not listen.

    Some of us were on the phone with Harold Ickes, and no, this is going all the way.

  80. Remember, there are TWO Zoby brothers…one has the polling company, another is a political hack for sale.

    Let us not make a mistake and so soil Hillary. Plese seek out info about whom you are speaking.

  81. Reed, Ininla,
    You’re right. BO, DNC and company have done the same thing after each ‘ HRC comeback. i guess it’s especially nerve-wracking right now coz there is so much time before the PA primary.

    BTW,
    When and where did Pelosi say HRC should concede?????? i wanna read/see the report before I call tomorrow.

  82. Okay, that makes sense. The word “SHOULD” is important.

    Zogby polls are not very reliable, so it is another BO piece of propaganda, that we will be hearing until PA.

  83. harold ford defended hillary today on that decison 08 show said obama would be creamed by gop

  84. from Hillary’s website:

    Celebrating Women: A Note from Dr. Maya Angelou

    You may write me down in history
    With your bitter, twisted lies,
    You may trod me in the very dirt
    But still, like dust, I’ll rise.

    This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits end, but she has always risen, always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.

    Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.

    There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you’re born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female.

    But, to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.

    Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.

    She is the prayer of every woman and man who long for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.

    She declares she wants to see more smiles in the families, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to what it can become.

    She means to rise.

    She means to help our country rise. Don’t give up on her, ever.

    In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country a wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety, without crippling fear.

    Rise Hillary.

    Rise.

  85. I had to laugh out loud at this little remark in a comment somewhere on the ‘net.

    They were talking about the supposed “debt” the campaign has (which is simply not true).

    Someone replied…

    “That 3 AM phone call will be the debt collector…” LOL

  86. just where is bo getting his money? Hillary is getting hers from honest, hard working people like us, I am not so sure about Obama!

  87. Great article at http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/3/28/projection-clinton-wins-popular-vote-obama-wins-delegate-count.html?msg=1

    Easy posting, no reg. I just posted:

    Nothing matters except the vote at the convention of all 4,000+ delegates — and they can change even on the first ballot.

    This process is about choosing the best candiate for November and for the presidency. Everything else is just an indicator, including current pledged delegates and (which?) popular vote.

    The delegates (SDs and others) know how the people of FL and MI voted. They know Obama has got his apparent success by gaming various rules, and that the metrics he won are not indicators of success in the GE (just the opposite, where he has left voters angry with him, as in FL, MI, TX…..)

    Hillary went for and won the metrics that do count for the GE: big states, electoral votes, demographics that reflect national distribution, all 50 states. She ALREADY has the popular vote of Democrats, and of ALL groups if all 50 states are counted.

    And that’s before the Wright tapes began percolating….

  88. I love Lou,

    He has a brilliant if inarticulate guest on discussing
    The Three Trillion Dollar War,” and Lou is so charming, so supportive. He’s a good guy.

  89. FOR THOSE OF YOU WONDERING WHY PELOSI HAS IT AGAINST HILLARY, LET ME PUT FORTH THIS THEORY: proud parents it seems, all thru this election, have been falling in line with their childrens point of view( example jesse jackson jr.).

    this article from feb., explains it for me…

    Christine Pelosi, daughter of the Speaker and (more notably at the moment) a superdelegate, warns of a massive disillusionment of voters should Democratic Party officials back a presidential nominee that didn’t win the pledged delegate vote.

    “Many of us are elected by the grassroots of the party,” she said, “And I cannot imagine going home in November to those people and try to phone bank for someone who did not capture the [pledged delegate] vote… We were all galvanized by what happened to Al Gore in Florida.”

    Pelosi, who has been a DNC member since 1996 and recently authored the book “Campaign Boot Camp,” acknowledged being petitioned heavily from campaign surrogates but declined to say whom she would support. She did, however, list different attributes upon which her superdelegate vote will be based: “Who is building a base of volunteers, who is bringing the party together – the best indicators of future performance.”

    In her interview with the Huffington Post, she spoke freely and at length about some of the challenges facing the 796 superdelegates as the presidential nomination seemingly falls into their laps. What, for instance, should the party do about the primary elections in Michigan and Florida, which did not, according to DNC rules, carry any delegates, but which the victorious Hillary Clinton campaign is hoping to have counted?

    “Of course they should be involved. I can’t imagine a scenario personally where they are not. The question is how?” said Pelosi. She then playfully suggested a novel idea: splitting the state’s delegates 50/50 to Obama and Clinton. It would, she argued, allow for representation from each state while not changing the dynamics of the race in one candidate’s favor. Of course, she added, “Ideally we sit back and let the process do its will and by the time you get to June it won’t matter.”

    In a separate interview Friday with Bloomberg TV, Christine’s mother, Nancy Pelosi, went a step further, arguing that the Florida and Michigan primaries shouldn’t decide the party’s nomination. “I don’t think that any states that operated outside the rules of the party can be dispositive of who the nominee is,” Pelosi told Al Hunt. She also addressed the power wielded by the super-delegates, dismissing concerns that they vote against the will of the majority of Democratic voters.

    “It’s not just following the returns; it’s also having a respect for what has been said by the people,” she said. It would be “a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided.”

    Reflecting her mother’s remarks, Christine Pelosi also sought to debunk the perception that super delegates were just cigar smoking — “my mother won’t allow that” — backroom dealing, political bigwigs willing to trade their votes at the Democratic National Convention for patronage.

    “We are paying attention,” she said, “What we are supposed to do is enhance the process not step on it.”

    As evidence, the Speaker’s daughter riffed on a variety of political and campaign topics. Pelosi showed little patience for the most recent line of attack by the Clinton campaign, which has accused Obama of ducking debates in Wisconsin.

    “It is always sort of a stunt when you call for a debate,” she said. “If they really wanted a debate you know, Howard [Wolfson] has David [Axelrod]’s phone number. They could arrange this if they really wanted to… This silly fight over a debate or a snub or this or that is really dumb.”

    mostly, however, Pelosi offered a cautiously optimistic outlook for the Democrats in 2008. There is a historic nature to the election, she posited, a chance to bring and secure a new generation of voters in the political process. And absent a major screw-up, Democrats could ride that wave to long-term victories.

    “I think that if we can capture and hold the enthusiasm of the 20 million Americans who have come out to vote so far,” Pelosi said, “and the millions more who will by the time our nomination process if over, if we can keep those people organized and energized we will win.”

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    P.S.S. IN LIBERAL HOUSEHOLDS, THE CHILDREN RUN THINGS (i guess cause they never got spanked)…

  90. jr Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Is there seriously something wrong with Amy Klobuchar?? She was all giddy like a 15 year old; and then she quoted her 12 year old daughter.

    Sounds like she must have been in the tank for quite a while. Maybe it was taped months ago.

  91. I am SICK of the effing BHO supporters and I let them know where things stand as far as HRC supporters and their candidate if he wins the nomination, and the stupid, patronizing crap they and he are doing right now:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/172254/252

    Please recommend this diary and help more people see the way we HRC people are really feeling, unlike the “happy happy joy joy” crap coming from DNC headquarters.

    Enough of this stolen election BS.

  92. skmf12 Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    FOR THOSE OF YOU WONDERING WHY PELOSI HAS IT AGAINST HILLARY, LET ME PUT FORTH THIS THEORY: proud parents it seems, all thru this election, have been falling in line with their childrens point of view( example jesse jackson jr.).

    this article from feb., explains it for me…

    Christine Pelosi, daughter of the Speaker and (more notably at the moment) a superdelegate, warns of a massive disillusionment of voters should Democratic Party officials back a presidential nominee that didn’t win the pledged delegate vote.

    This would make sense — if she were talking about THE POPULAR VOTE.

    For quotes from when that camp was for the popular vote before they were against it, see

    http://www.ironmyvote.com/superdelegates-follow.htm

  93. 1950 Democrat,
    There has always been a fight in the dem party between the ultra-libs and the centrists. Bill clinton never believed the dems could delivery the WH (because they are too liberal for the general populace) – witness losing by 49 states in 1972, 45 states in 1980, 49 states in 1984 and 40 states in 1988. So he broke with the DNC and helped found the DLC which reflects more centrist views. Outcome – the first two-term democratic president in 50 years.

    This election is the revenge of the DNC and ultra-liberal Kennedy-Pelosi-Dean wing of the party.

  94. well, well, well.

    The great iconoclastic economics prof may not be speaking out, but 2 of his students have (which means MEN are reading this board!)

    “Hello, : so right. – you know better than anyone, he would be giving a 1 hour lecture NOW about being wary and watching out. “…who is behind this….”

    “……check the timing,…..quarter end,….making political moves. Money makes the world go ’round…end of an eight year failed presidency…Congress needs to be in session, non stop, for the next six months, or rules will be made that override our citizen rights…”

  95. Look at the moment, BO will not win the GE, and I think now hillry will have a pretty tough time as well.

    If I was in this unity nonsense etc, I would rather team up Edwards/Ford or Evan Bayh/Ford or somethig like that!

    And Pelosi has guilty grandmother feeling..that typical white person thing as far as Ford is concerned…she stopped him becoming the minority leader inn 2002! she thinks by backin gBO is some amendment for that!

    tough shit! Harold is nothing like BO! He does not have the anti-american baggage of BO!

  96. WOW!

    83% in Dobbs poll says HRC receives biased treatment and only 27% say no.

    Bill-O
    Going after BO saying he’s supported by shady politicians and for-sale reporters.

  97. You know what, if Hillary really wanted to put the cat amongst the pigeons, she could throw the VP spot now to Ford and really put the AA vote in a bind.

    That would make Obama’s head explode.

  98. I’ve been thinking about this: we need more Bill Clinton on the campaign trail. I know that he’s working tirelessly, and I know that he doesn’t want to overshadow Hillary, but we really need more of him. He should be on Larry King, on the talk shows, on local news, on cable news, as much as possible.

  99. Good discussion on Bill-O about the dirty strategy of BO demanding HRC get out of the campaign and Juan saying imagine the roles were reversed and HRC had a 1% lead over Bo and what would happen if there were demands that HE get out? it would be denounced as RACIST! So yet another use of the race card.

    Juan Williams says the worst dirty tricks are the media deciding they want BO and deciding not to be fair.
    BO bought into the media machine which trumps the Clinton machine and Williams saying does BO really want to win like this? (We know the answer to that).

  100. O’Reilly getting ready to show Wright’s suprise appearance the other day at Catholic church in Chicago and getting standing ovation. I emailed the Chicago archdiocese voicing my outrage as a catholic allowing this bigot to appear.

  101. Ann,

    ‘This election is the revenge of the DNC and ultra-liberal Kennedy-Pelosi-Dean wing of the party.’

    I’ve been learning the history of this on forum and while i always knew there’s something bizarre about the battling dems I now realize it’s precisely what you said.

  102. Oh MAN!

    Bill-O’s AA commentator Marc Lamont referring to the “typical white person.” in response to the standing ovation Wright got when he returned to Chicago and Bill-asking him don’t you think the rest of the country might have a problem with that and Lamont says, Well, the typical white person might.

  103. I’ve seen Lamont on loacl Phila. TV praising Obama and Wright. Mayot Nutter on the other hand denounced Wright and Obama for not leaving that church.

  104. basil, here’s the mention of Pelosi:

    # texan4hillary Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    are u guys watching abc news? pelosi says end it NOW. says clinton is in debt 8 mil-hasnt paid med bills.

  105. Ann Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    1950 Democrat,
    There has always been a fight in the dem party between the ultra-libs and the centrists. Bill clinton never believed the dems could delivery the WH (because they are too liberal for the general populace) – witness losing by 49 states in 1972, 45 states in 1980, 49 states in 1984 and 40 states in 1988. So he broke with the DNC and helped found the DLC which reflects more centrist views. Outcome – the first two-term democratic president in 50 years.

    This election is the revenge of the DNC and ultra-liberal Kennedy-Pelosi-Dean wing of the party.

    Okay … but the DNC controls who goes on the ballots? And they prefer yet another loser?

  106. rjk1957,

    Gore lost because he did not want Bill campaigning for him.

    Gore definitely accepted the wrong advice, with President Clinton leaving office with the highest approval rating since FDR. He could have delivered Arkansas, and New Hampshire, and might have made the difference in Florida and Ohio.

    Brazile can point to Florida all she wants, but if a candidate can not carry their own state (Tennessee) they deserve to lose. If Gore had carried TN he would be in the WH now.

    That’s a little unfair to Gore, as Tennessee was a very different place in 2000 than it was when he was last a Senator. By 2000, the Governor and both Senators were Republicans.

  107. Does anyone have a link to an article confloyd posted earlier today on other thread re: MO’s work/thesis at Princeton?

  108. Plural,

    Thanks. I’ll google it in the morning before I call that bytch.

    Whoever wrote about the dems being influenced by their kids – tweetie pretty much came out one night and said it (that was months ago before my MSNBC blackout) and the Christine Pelosi- Nancy relationship which, BTW, I just learned about today, is yet another example of spoiled rotten adult kids running their parents lives. I gotta say, as an ex-music teacher, I had problems with facilities, pay, violence in the urban school systems but I NEVER would have worked in an affluent school district. What those teachers go through with parent-sanctioned student blackmail with everything from contesting grades to homeroom placement is unbelievable.

  109. The DLC wasn’t a break from the DNC; it was just another Democratic organization. Not meant to oppose, but to bring out new ideas.

  110. rjk1957 Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 8:11 pm
    O’Reilly getting ready to show Wright’s surprise appearance the other day at Catholic church in Chicago and getting standing ovation. I emailed the Chicago archdiocese voicing my outrage as a catholic allowing this bigot to appear.
    *****************************************************
    I’m not surprised at all, each group always support each other. I don’t think Dr. Wright truly understand how his bitterness and hatred of the effects of slavery has corrupted his message and as a Leader in the body of Christ the WORD should be his focus and not HIS interpretation of society ills.

    I know these shepherds who can’t live by the WORD, so they wrap it around THEIR interpretation and call themselves prophets. But they can’t turn the other cheek, they can’t practice UNCONDITIONAL Love, they couldn’t ask their father to forgive their tormentors, like Jesus did on the Cross.

  111. ohhhhhhh this makes me really really mad!!!! I’ve been a supporter of Emily’s List and this really really makes me MAD!!!!!!!!

    BHO superdelegate Sen.Claire McCaskill recieved from EMILY’s List $518,938 for her election bid in 2006, Sen.Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) $357,400 in 2006

    see full list of Emily’s List recipients here

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.asp?ID=D000000113&Type=P&Cycle=A

    TELL THEM THEIR SUPPORT OF BHO IS A “VIOLATION OF TRUST” FROM THE DONORS OF EMILY’S LIST WHO ARE PRO WOMEN, PRO CHOICE AND PRO DEMOCRAT

    AND SEND AN EMAIL TO EMILY’S LIST TO NOT SUPPORT BHO SUPPORTERS.

  112. 1950democrat ,
    They want to control the party…..the party is bigger than the presidency. BO is the handpicked front man of the ultra-libs. Here are some thoughts I have on this….

    1. I have been wondering where Obama came from – how is it possible that a junior senator with 2 years at the national level a. organized so many states so quickly (even more than Edwards who has the experience of a national campaign and has been running since 2004), raised so much money (more than experienced politicians with years of building networks)? How is that someone only 2 years removed from the State of Illinois legislature know how to get a campaign plane – let alone 2? How did he get that primetime speaking spot at the 2004 convention in Boston? Then it dawned on me……he is the machine candidate of the old school dems.
    This is in effect another epic battle between the Clintons and the old guard in the democratic party that never liked them. They wanted to stop Hillary in the worst way and they picked the perfect puppet to do so. Why is he ” perfect”
    1. he is black. The Clintons have historically won at least partially on the strength of the AA vote. In order to beat them, they had to syphon off those votes.
    2. He isn’t “too black” to scare off the whites (this was before the pastor disaster)
    3. He is young and can appeal to the youth vote
    4. He is relatively unknown and untested with no real voting record to attack
    5. He is relatively new to DC so he can wear the outsider mantle
    6. He is a good speaker with a teleprompter

    This would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic. All those Obama supporters who think they are backing someone who is going to change Washington. .hah – He is the annointed one of the Washington insiders. HAH!!!! Teddy may get into the White House after all……

  113. plural,

    They can’t blame Hillary for Gore’s losing in 2000.

    That’s for sure.

    She won New York state by well over one million votes.

    In 1998 she worked her tail off for Congressional candidates and they actually gained seats, against all conventional wisdom and precedent.

    It was the first time in more than 100 years that a party gained seats in the House with a sitting President in his sixth year in office. Quite a feat.

  114. Local Hillary Clinton fan pens second tune
    Undaunted by Internet criticism, Wang debuts ‘Hillary in the House’

    by Arden Pennell
    Palo Alto Online Staff

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    A month and a half after his first pro-Hillary Clinton video was slammed by Web users, Palo Alto resident and campaign volunteer Gene Wang has debuted his second pro-Clinton song.

    “You must think I’m a glutton for punishment,” he said.

    But the truth is, he just really wants Hillary to win — and is undaunted by criticism, he said.

    At about two minutes, “Hillary in the House” features a man rapping lyrics such as, “Hey pretty mama / Don’t you vote for Obama” to a chorus of “Hillary in the house.”

    Wang, who is running for a seat as district delegate to the Democratic National Convention in the April 13 vote, has a link to the songs on his Web site.

    Wang’s first song was criticized by online commentators as too-sweet and corny — perhaps even a hoax from the rival Barack Obama campaign.

    Yet that negative attention fueled its popularity.

    When the Palo Alto Weekly first covered Wang’s campaign efforts in its January 30 cover story, the “Hillary4U&Me” video had netted 1,100 viewings on YouTube in three months.

    Then New York Times writer Matt Richtel posted the video online on Feb. 13 in the Times’ “Bits” tech blog — triggering the wave of mostly critical comments. It also appeared on blogs such as gossip Web site Valleywag.

    By this Monday, the YouTube views had jumped to nearly half a million. The video has also spawned spin-offs such as reaction videos and remixes.

    Wang, a former HP executive and entrepreneur, said the negative attention doesn’t bother him.

    “I’m a pretty hard guy to discourage,” he said.

    The emotional comments convinced him it’s a high-stakes election, he said — a heartening feeling for a volunteer who’s flown to Nevada and Texas with the campaign and whose sister-in-law, Amy Rao, is a personal friend of Clinton’s.

    His inspiration for the second song came from an online comment about whether he’d turn to rap next, he said.

    “I’m going, ‘Geez, these people — they know me too well!'” he said.

    The latest song’s lyrics also contain what may be a dig at online sniping: “And for all y’all in the blogosphere who didn’t want to see Hillary for you and me / We’re still around / You can try to knock me down / But we’re not giving in.”

    The song also references hip-hop culture, with lyrics such as: “Say little sweetie, gonna write it in graffiti / Vote for Hillary ‘cuz she’s the one you want to see.”

    Wang is working on a video for the song, he said.

    The video for “Hillary4U&Me” depicted his wife, daughter and friends dancing at Palo Alto’s University Club. A friend’s band played in the background.

    Wang recorded both songs in the music studio he built in his backyard, he said.

    Despite attention garnered by the videos, rival Obama’s popular, unofficial video, “I got a crush … on Obama,” is in the online lead.

    The footage of a scantily clad young woman singing about the candidate has netted about 7.5 million YouTube viewings after nine months.

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  115. everywhere you go, keep pushing the fact that :

    1) Hillary is more electable than BO.
    3) Hillary is going to end up with the popular vote
    3) Hillary is going to end up with the higher electoral college final
    4) Hillary has the largest and most democratic dream base: i.e., working classs people, hispanics, asians, women, catholics, and DEFINITELY African Americans if Bambi eases out of the race.

    This argument should be good enough to any sane person.

  116. Ann,
    Good analysis.
    Michael Goodwin on Dobbs said the Wright issue is a trainwreck that BO ultimately won’t be able to dodge. It may not crush him before the Dem convention but will definitely catch up with him and totally discredit him in the GE.

    I agree with ANN that the Dems are more interested in changing the inner guards than in winning the presidency. As a matter of fact, LOSING might be exactly what the the neo-Libs want.

  117. BASIL,

    that was me, and you are quite right, the kids are more powerful than the parents apparently….

  118. I can’t believe that the neo-libs would be so callous towards the struggling people in this country as to purposely lose the presidency. Four more years of republicans and the country will look like mexico.

  119. texan4hillary,

    are u guys watching abc news? says clinton is in debt 8 mil-hasnt paid med bills.

    That was on all the broadcast news channels. The campaign said that there was a large time lag from when the federal report was filed and all the bills mentioned were paid a long time ago.

    Just another case of the MSM trying to bend the facts to fit their meme, that the Clinton campaign is having money problems, which fits nicely into their other meme, that she should drop out.

  120. Good evening Hillfans. Just popping in.

    If someone wants to research this .. I was told by a reliable source that Brazile screwed up in Florida by not asking for a recount of all counties. The selective recount went against Gore. If she had asked for the full recount, Gore would have one.

    She’s an imbecile.

  121. Sounds like someone went into the campaign reports and spread around that story about the debts. Someone from the BO campaign, maybe?

  122. Ann,
    Here’s confloyd’s message about MO’s thesis.
    (It’s a bit long)
    # confloyd Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    OMG! This is true! I checked it out with snopes.com.

    Subj: The Real Obamas…..

    This is unfortunate, but it needs to be read to have an understanding of our political choices.

    OBAMA’S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED

    In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on”crime and hatred”. Moreover, she stated that whites in America were “ineradicably racist”. The 1985 thesis, titled “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community” was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

    Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to “Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first…” However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, “If those “Whites at Princeton ” really saw Michelle as one who always would “be Black first,” it seems that she gave them that impression”.

    Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms “separationist” and “integrationist” when describing the views of black people.

    Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a “separationist” view of race.

    “By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.”

    Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her “further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

    Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

    Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but she elevates black over white in her world.

    Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:

    “There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. ”

    What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she’s first lady that will elevate black over white in America ?

    The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.

    “Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”

    The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.

    Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. “I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”

    Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.

    Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see American s. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another.

    The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama’s thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism.

    This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.

    Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.

    Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.

    PS: We paid for her scholarship

  123. Hillary is going to take Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Indiana, AND North Carolina by a wide margin. The tide has turned. I have a sister in North Carolina, and she and all her friends are voting Hillary. We are going to win this! Stay in it Hillary! We’ve got your back!!!

  124. Joe Friday – the issue though is once they get the rumor out, then, it’s hard to “take it back.” Even if the Clinton campaign can get people out there to deny the rumor and bills were paid back weeks ago, the rumor is out. This is a whisper campaign. Annoying stuff that Axelrod et al do with the help of the media. Get the rumor out there, true or not, and 70% of your work is done.

    Basil & Hillbillylover – I don’t think the DLC want to lose this – they had their Manchurian Candidate and thought it’d be foolproof (hope that’s the right reference, Manchurian Candidate).

    Maybe we’re being overdramatic, but besides having a historic woman and AA Presidential race, we’re caught in the middle of some weird epic battle between the DNC and DLC ideologies as Ann is rightly pointing out.

  125. If Hillary is in debt, how is it possible for her to be opening these new headquarters in other states

    She is not in debt, i had to explain this to one of my neighbors. I told her instead of her talking about Hillarys debt she should donate. She is a Hillary supporter.

  126. for those curious enough to read Michelle Obama’s thesis it can be found here…part 1,2,3 & 4

    dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=42FC5818-3048-5C12-005E33B3C0F4E64B

  127. Does anyone have Paddy4Hill’s treatist re the neo-lib movement?

    Because she is almost 12 hours off from us, if someone who forwarded or saved her post could send it to

    1950Democrat

    and also trigger ANN, cause she gets it, but may not have that post.

  128. cute how this kid uses perfect word to describe obama charm:

    ‘Its identical to all those movies/shows, black guy will win using HOPEnosis and just like in all the movies, dies in the end.’

    ‘HOPENOSIS’, gotta love it…

  129. basil9 Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 8:32 pm
    I agree with ANN that the Dems are more interested in changing the inner guards than in winning the presidency. As a matter of fact, LOSING might be exactly what the the neo-Libs want.

    Why? So all the Reagan/Billclinton Dems go GOP again again, and a lot of Hillary people leave in protest, and the Brazile faction has an empty party to take control of?

  130. vote in aol straw poll!
    news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/31/aol-straw-poll-march-31-april-7

    Hillary leading now with 58% 😀 keep her leading! 😀

  131. basil9 Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    1950’s Dem,

    thanks for that. I have a feeling Juan is completely aware of BO’s agenda.

    Agenda? But it’s Obama’s philosophy that might be news to Juan — win by ANY means, even what he did to Alice Palmer. He and his supporters ADMITTED it was dirty but ‘necessary’. And he got admired for it too, as the one who ‘knocked off Alice’ — that’s the kind of culture he’s coming from, ie Chicago style.

  132. 1950’s dem,

    Bad word choice, agenda. I agree although I haven’t read through all the Alice Palmer stuff I’ve certainly gotten the gist of it; she was his mentor; he managed to get all the other candidates thrown off the ticket and basically won by default.

    And he’s doing the same thing with getting his SLORROGATES (I just mad that up! 😀 ) out there calling for HRC’s withdrawal from the race, although i did read today (somewhere) that Leahy got quite a backlash as a result of his statements. Let’s do the same to Pelosis, tomorrow. :twisted;

  133. Just heard this….

    Dan Abrams is going to do “Obama lied about Kennedy family connection.”

    Who is Dan Abrams?

  134. 1950 Dem,

    No. So they can start all over again and annoint one another members of the inner sanctum

    Just MHO. I’ve said for months that the real plan is to get rid of the Clintons and their power, (a palace coup) and if, in the process, BO gets elected that will be fine by the neo-libs but it isn’t, IMHO, the primary reason for this battle.

  135. If generosity begins at home, then why is Michelle Obama’s parents still living in a one bedroom flat that they moved into when she was a baby. They have money why are their parents and grandparents living in such poverty. I wonder why the American people think he will lift them out of poverty when their own parents are still living in it!!

  136. confloyd: her mother takes care of the kids, when Michelle is travelling. They do not live in poverty. Michelle grew up middle class. They may have lived in a one bedroom flat, in the beginning, but moved into a house when she was young. The grandmother in Kenya lives in poverty.

  137. birdgal, I just read that on wikipedia. so I knew she was taking care of the kids, but maybe they just live with Michelle and Barack now. I don’t know but I read it on wikipedia>

  138. Breaking News: Hillary Is Crushing Barack in Kentucky!: “A new SurveyUSA poll in Kentucky shows Sen. Hillary Clinton crushing Sen. Barack Obama, 58% to 29%, in the closed Democratic primary to be held on May 20.” The headline reads, “SurveyUSA: Obama Not Competitive in Kentucky.”

    Not competitive. He’s not even competitive. Think about that. That’s incredible. And, now, Hillary talks to you:

  139. Michelle Obama seems to be a very angry person. She should also be angry with Black America as well. We as AA do not treat each other with respect. Sometimes i think we are our worst enemy. We blame white America for everything. Not true, some of this is our own makings. I was taught to love and respect everyone, no matter how you are treated. I know this is hard sometimes. I live in a neighborhood that is 99% AA. I put a Hillary sign in my yard. It was stolen. I kept replacing the sign. I am not going to let anyone bully me. I have a right to put whatever sign i want in my yard. If it comes to BO or McCain, i will have a McCain sign. The difference with O’s church is we teach Love, not Hate. They really need JESUS, not Wrights

  140. Conservative Mogul praises Hillary and suggest her tos tay in race

    Look on Greta on Fair and Balanced new questions for Sen. Obama about responsese on 1996 questionnaire

  141. 12 p.m.: Students gather at Chemeketa Community College to wait for Clinton

    THELMA GUERRERO-HUSTON
    Statesman Journal

    March 31, 2008

    They want Sen. Hillary Clinton to be the nation’s next president, but since she’s not in Salem today, Scott Bradley, his twin brother, Jeff, and their friend, Andrew Aasen, want to hear from the man who knows her best.

    “I like what President Clinton did when he was in office,” Scott Bradley, 18, said. “He and Hillary have done great work, and I hope they get the opportunity to continue to do that work.”

    The three West Salem High School students arrived at Chemeketa Community College more than three hours before Clinton is scheduled to speak there at 1:30 p.m. today.

    “I want to vote for Hillary, but I want to learn more about the campaign,” said Aasen, 17, who will be eligible to vote in the November general election.

    Jeff Bradley, 18, said he wanted to arrive extra early because he wants “to get as close as to the president as I can and maybe take a picture with him.”

    The former president has been campaigning on behalf of his wife since the start of the Democratic presidential nomination race last year.

    His visit to Salem is part of a four-city tour in Oregon that began Sunday in Medford and which is a prelude to a future visit by Hillary Clinton, a campaign spokeswoman said.

    The visit comes at a time when polls show Oregon favoring Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by 30.5 percent to 19.5 percent.

    159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080331/ELECTION03/80331023/1001

  142. Saying that the questioniare seems to be an evolution of changes as Obama said he never saw the questionaire – liar liar and liar pants on fire

  143. Wow…

    Barack Obama is the George Wallace of the Left

    by JFK464, Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 05:13:30 PM EST

    The code words are different this time around. Instead of appealing to whites’ fears of forced integration by mentioning busing, Obama has elicited black prejudice by using terms like like hoodwinked, bamboozled, and okie-doke.

    Can you imagine another prominent African American politician using this language? Can you see the dignified Colin Powell using this dog-whistle? How about the politically moderate Chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, Harold Ford, Jr.? Or the passionate Congresswoman Sheila Lee Jackson? Never. To truly transcend race is to reject the use of race in a divisive manner. Not only has Obama not rejected using race divisively, he has given birth to a whole new justification for the use of bigoted and racially divisive language and innuendo. In fact, Obama is exploiting the pain of racism experienced by African Americans to manipulate the emotions of anger and guilt as rallying cries for his ambitious assent to power.

    The decision by Obama to use race against both Clintons has been
    well-documented and brutally effective. Obama has elicited black racism and defended it by appealing to white guilt. His defense of Revered Wright’s anti-American, anti-white racism was political contortionism in the extreme. His comment following his speech that his grandmother was a “typical white person” solidified for many people that Obama was not just of Rev. Wright’s church, but also one of Wright’s most enthusiastic disciples.

    In many ways, Obama is the opposite of who he proclaims himself to be. He claims to be from outside of Washington, even while serving in the United States Senate, and his candidacy is supported by the Party’s most powerful powerbrokers.

    He claims to be post-racial while practicing racial politics.
    As Christopher Hitchens, no friend of Mrs. Clinton, writes about Obama’s excuses for Revered Wright: “[I]s it ‘inflammatory’ to say that AIDS and drugs are wrecking the black community because the white power structure wishes it? No. Nor is it
    ‘controversial.’ It is wicked and stupid and false to say such a thing. And it not unimportantly negates everything that Obama says he stands for by way of advocating dignity and responsibility over the sick cults of paranoia and victimhood.”

    Because Obama’s candidacy is based on his biography and race, the Left – including most liberal bloggers, The Nation magazine, George Packer of the New Yorker, MoveOn.org – have endorsed Obama for offering a “transformative” opportunity. This is simply a code word for purifying the nation by electing a black man. It’s tokenism in the extreme, and it’s significant that none of the liberal elites have endorsed Obama for his policy proposals, which as Paul Krugman has pointed out are rather impotent and to the right of Hillary Clinton.

    If we are going to elect someone because of their color, it should be because
    that person wants to heal the nation. For example, Nelson Mandela, upon becoming the first Black president of South Africa formed the Truth and Reconciliation commission, refused to hate the whites who imprisoned him and his countrymen, and insisted that one form of hate could not replace another.

    Obama says “the anger is real” in the black community. If that is the case, we must meet our racist heritage with a genuine attack on all racism, including the racism that Obama is generating against non-blacks.

    As PM comments on mydd.com:

    What Obama has done is to open all kinds of wounds without offering remedies. He has successfully divided the Democratic Party by using race for everything as his campaign/political strategy for political gain. He has painted both blacks and whites with very broad strokes, almost offensively — equating blacks like Mayor Nutter and others with his pastor or equating whites who have always stood up for the welfare of black people as a typical white person (by implication racist). Large sections of both groups on either side have consciously moved to make race relations better. But here is a vile politician who when caught with his hateful pastor has brought back the worst of the two groups and calling that the state of the union for his own political gain. America is not full of Archie Bunker types neither is it full of pastor Wrights. This situation of Obama and Wright is just between those two — the indiscretion of a guy (who perhaps never planned to run for the highest office) associating with a pastor who preaches anti-American sermons. If some people, most people find it unacceptable in a future president, that is their prerogative and right. This Wright scandal has nothing to do with race, I repeat, nothing to do with race. For him to have made it such, is something to be shunned.

    Obama’s racial politics are not the overt racism of George Wallace standing at a school door and proclaiming “segregation now, segregation forever.” It is the more odious kind; it’s the accusation of racism when none existed, the implication, the dog-whistle, and the double entendre. It is perhaps more divisive and hateful because it’s nearly impossible to defend yourself from the accusation. Bill Clinton really was saying that Obama’s position on the Iraq War was a “fairy tale.” It really did take Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson to pass Civil Rights legislation.

    As Sean Wilentz writes in The New Republic regarding Obama’s use of race: “A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the `race card’ were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students.”

    The absurdity of the accusation regarding the Clintons’ alleged use of race brings into relief Obama’s repugnant racial strategy. In Democratic primaries and in the General Election, Clinton clearly would want to have as many black supporters as possible.

    To paraphrase Senator Ted Kennedy speaking of George Wallace, Obama’s racial politics not only need to be repudiated, they need to be defeated. As Democrats, if we are to be congruent with who we say we are, we must wash the stain of racial politics from our party forever.

    I could no more vote for Obama than I could vote for George Wallace, and the reasons are much the same.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/171331/933

  144. they said it was Obamas writing but Obama said he didnt write it, geez

    anyone know the latest on the fundraising status?

  145. confloyd: a month or two ago, I read an article from a UK publication, that painted Michelle Obama’s early life in a different light. Maybe, they were poorer, when she was young. But, her father was a city worker, and involved in some aspect of Chicago politics. She went to a Magnet school for gifted children. Obviously, she is brilliant.

  146. especially this quote
    As PM comments on mydd.com:

    What Obama has done is to open all kinds of wounds without offering remedies. He has successfully divided the Democratic Party by using race for everything as his campaign/political strategy for political gain. He has painted both blacks and whites with very broad strokes, almost offensively — equating blacks like Mayor Nutter and others with his pastor or equating whites who have always stood up for the welfare of black people as a typical white person (by implication racist). Large sections of both groups on either side have consciously moved to make race relations better. But here is a vile politician who when caught with his hateful pastor has brought back the worst of the two groups and calling that the state of the union for his own political gain. America is not full of Archie Bunker types neither is it full of pastor Wrights. This situation of Obama and Wright is just between those two — the indiscretion of a guy (who perhaps never planned to run for the highest office) associating with a pastor who preaches anti-American sermons. If some people, most people find it unacceptable in a future president, that is their prerogative and right. This Wright scandal has nothing to do with race, I repeat, nothing to do with race. For him to have made it such, is something to be shunned.

  147. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    they said it was Obamas writing but Obama said he didnt write it, geez
    same ole crap different day same ole LIAR

  148. greta says new development rev jeremiah wright sermons cause campaign controversy and says it continues

  149. Greta is roman catholic,and graduted from Xaiever high school ..am glad she is doing wright wrong..
    she will let wright have it sooner or later
    glad she is covering obama and his hatefull pastor

  150. I have two words for anyone who says Hillary should quit:

    NEW HAMPSHIRE.

    no wait, I have two more words: F*** Y**

  151. me to PELSOI has no right to tell any canidate to get out of a race…STFU..she is so weak where is all that crap she promised she is full of it..

  152. ok, chelsea being asked again about lewinsky.
    Really when you think about it, what college student cares about monica and that ordeal? how old were they 9, 10?

    So obama is planting young people to ask chelsea this question and surprise the media is constantly reporting it.

    I think we need to have young college students start asking obama about Rezko in every place he speaks.

  153. -MEMORANDUM-

    TO: NANCY PELOSI, CO-CHAIRMAN DNC

    FR: WBB MARCH 31, 2008

    RE: HOW TO UNITE THE PARTY& WIN IN 2008

    Madam Co-Chairman: you sent me a fundraising letter claiming that there are “tensions and pressures in the presidential campaign which harm candidates”. You promised to take whatever actions are necessary to protect them. And you asked me to support you in that important endeavor. I find this interesting because it comes at a time when people across the country are questioning the neutrality of the Democratic National Committee with respect to the presidential race.

    Since we have never met let me tell you who I am. I am the godson of a former leader of our party, a friend of the late Senator Magnuson, and a donor. I am a Hillary Clinton delegate in Washington and a volunteer for her in other states. I am committed to her candidacy because she has the vision, experience and moral courage required to solve the daunting problems we face as a nation, and as a global leader. But I have no authority to speak for her campaign nor would I presume to do so. Rather, the views I will express are reflective of my own thinking and that of other people whose knowledge and judgment I respect. Some of those people reside in your District, and all of us are watching.

    You have asked for my support and I will gladly provide it but in a different form than you requested. Instead of money, I will offer you political advice which has the potential to unite the party and win the general election. I will be blunt but only for good cause. If you are willing to entertain this advice and act upon it in good faith then you can reasonably expect the monetary support you have requested to also ensue.

    I have prepared eight (8) proposals that I would encourage you to consider at this watershed moment in history even though some of them may differ from your current position. They are as follows:

    First of all, I would strongly advise the DNC to reverse its improvident decision to disenfranchise 2.5 million Americans in Michigan and Florida, and to either recognize the results of the primaries which have occurred, or else require all parties to accept new primaries. This must be done immediately in order to restore public confidence and ensure the legitimacy of the nominee. Politically, the DNC leadership has placed itself on the wrong side of a history that goes back to Boston Harbor and Concord Green 1775. Simply put, it is the kiss of death.

    Second, I would strongly advise you to remain neutral because you have a pivotal role to play in the nomination process. Thus, it is highly problematic when you state on the record that a unity ticket of Clinton/Obama is impossible, or that Superdelegates should defer to the pledged delegate count (instead of exercising the discretion called for in the Rules). Statements of this nature cause you to be perceived not as an impartial Co-Chairman but as a well positioned partisan attempting to exert institutional leverage to create false momentum and thus tip the scales in favor of one candidate over the other.

    Third, I would strongly advise you to accept the inescapable fact that this is a very close election, millions of Americans have not had their chance to vote and it is essential that the democratic process be allowed to play itself out. Therefore, it is anti-democratic for Obama surrogates in Congress and the Media to promote a false narrative that Hillary cannot win and must drop out for the good of the party. Recent polls indicate that 84% of voters want Hillary to continue in this race. In a democracy surely that should count for something.
    Given your promise to protect candidates from what you describe as the tensions and pressures of the campaign, I fully expect that you will contact his Senate surrogates and instruct them to cease and desist in these undemocratic demands. It is readily apparent that Obama tried to force Hillary out of the race but when she refused to yield and he was accused of attempting to disenfranchise 10 more states he decided to back off. Always magnanimous, he told her she could continue to campaign as long as she wanted to–as if it were up to him.

    Fourth, I would strongly advise you and your colleagues to consider the factors that will apply in the general election environment as you undertake to select our nominee. Those factors include secret ballot, electoral vote, momentum and the ability to defeat the Republican candidate. If the goal is to win the general election then it is madness to ignore them and it is double madness to rely exclusively on the results of the caucus system in the states that have them. Why? Because the caucus system is a fine vehicle for party building but it does not begin to reflect the will of the people and is subject to widespread abuse.

    I can think of no better example than what
    occurred in the State of Washington. Here Obama won the caucus by 67% with a mere 10% electoral participation, whereas he won the ensuing primary by only 50% with a much higher participation. Furthermore, if you go granular you find that many eligible voters were turned away from voting sites, voter lists were corrupted and other irregularities occurred. Finally, most Obama victories are in red states that we will never win in the General Election. Thus, pledged delegate count is a poor predictor of success in November, and Karl Rove who has manipulated our caucus system to his own ends understands this even if we pretend not to.

    Fifth, I would advise you to think about the new voters who have come aboard as a result of the failed Bush Presidency and recruitment efforts we have made. They are a boon for us in the short term, but they will leave for sure if we make promises and then fail to deliver. In the 2006 election we promised to get our combat troops out of Iraq in the short term, we encountered resistance and backed off. Likewise, in the current campaign promises have been made that reflect neither the complexity of the issues nor the capacity to deal with them in a realistic manner. Fundamentally, the promises we make must be realistic and we must deliver on them. Otherwise, voters will become disillusioned, desert us en masse and a credible third party will emerge on the scene.

    Sixth, I would advise you to familiarize yourself with how race and gender have been exploited in the course of this election. The Obama campaign has played the race card against Senator Clinton in a systemic manner beginning in South Carolina. Distinguished Professor Sean Wilentz has documented all this in a recent article entitled Race Man. Meanwhile the cable network MSNBC has played the gender card against Senator Clinton in a nefarious way. The corrupt practices of MSNBC have been discussed at length by Media Matters and Professor Jameison (Annenberg School of Journalism). MSNBC was the subject of recent picketing activity by the National Organization of Women. As a former management labor lawyer I can assure you that I have no fondness for picketing per se. However, in this instance there was no alternative because MSNBC dumped their toxic waste on the airways every night and turned a blind eye to thousands of protest letters all pursuant to a perverse business strategy. Again, you must understand these dynamics so you can protect candidates from the tensions and pressures of the campaign.

    Seventh, I would advise you to take appropriate steps to prevent internecine conflict from erupting within the Democratic Party while we are trying to win a General Election. It looks like some of the old liberal lions have joined forces with the neo-libs to seize control of the Party. If there is any truth to this then the resulting conflict will pave the way for a Republican victory in November. Why? Because if Obama is the nominee then 40% of Hillary’s supporters will not support him and 27% of them will cross over to McCain. If the press manages to uncover more negative evidence on Obama then this attrition factor will only get worse. Granted, there will be far less attrition if Hillary is the nominee but it will still be a factor. Therefore, it strongly behooves the Party to seek unity and thus avoid the perils of palace intrigue.

    Eighth, I would advise you to examine the words and subtext of what Obama is saying to Superdelegates and decide for yourself whether you are comfortable with it. As you know, he recently told Governor Rendell “You know I will be the nominee” and went on to caution him about what he says in the campaign. This comment raises several red flags. At a minimum, it is an arrogant, self-serving and presumptive assessment of a very fluid situation. It suggests that the unity Obama speaks of in a world of competing interests requires the suppression of dissenting opinion. It can be read as a veiled threat against a Hillary supporter given the prior case of John Lewis. And it raises the specter of a backroom deal by the forces described in the preceding paragraph to coronate Obama, block a revote in Michigan and Florida, and drive Hillary out of the race before voters in the 10 remaining states have been given a chance to speak. These are all plausible inferences, and I hope none of them are true because if they are then we too have broken faith with the American People.

    (P.S. on a personal note, I had coffee today with a prominent west coast arbitrator. I told him that I was writing to you and the mention of your name brought back a floodtide of memories from an era when the late Jimmy Herman was President of the International Longshoreman and Warehouseman’s Union. He told me that Herman was one of the great labor leaders of our time, and one of the most decent people he ever met in his 78 years on earth. He mentioned how much Herman thought of you as a person and as a public servant. He assured me that Jimmy is in heaven now and knows full well that when the chips are down you will do what is right as opposed to what is merely expedient.)

  154. birdgal Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 10:07 pm
    confloyd: a month or two ago, I read an article from a UK publication, that painted Michelle Obama’s early life in a different light. Maybe, they were poorer, when she was young. But, her father was a city worker, and involved in some aspect of Chicago politics. She went to a Magnet school for gifted children. Obviously, she is brilliant.
    ****************************************************
    Oh please her father was a precinct captain for Mayor Daley…her family was middle class. My husband knew the family and in no way were they poor.

    Stop making excuses for them…most black militants had Ivy League degrees don’t buy into the stereotype. The NOI, NBPP and other Hard Left radicals are Marxists and are very intelligent have either Dr. or Master degrees.

    It’s not unusual for those from the upper middle class to be bitter because of the glass ceiling based on the effects of systemic racism of this country.

    You have to remember in the civil rights era there was two schools of thought…the Martin Luther King jr non-violence based on the teaching of Christ with Love as the foundation and Ganhdi as a role model. And then Malcom X while he was with the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers which believed in violent overthrow.

    By the end of the sixtys the violent overthrow was the only way to make changes..BPP, SLA, Manson, the Weathermen and others.

  155. dedfg:

    at this point, does it matter how it looks IF someone can ask him a question that will trip him up??

    besides plenty of ADULTs at his rallies and many watch the news and surf the web too

    it’s not just a kid thing; I ain’t no kid! 😀

  156. WBBOEI ___ BZZZT!

    I don’t think this is what you mean:

    I can think of no better example than what
    occurred in the State of Washington. Here Obama won the caucus by 67% with a mere 10% electoral participation, whereas he won the ensuing primary by only 50% with a much higher participation.

  157. dedfg,

    BHO never take any questions even in a town hall. It is very hard for anybody to ask him questions.

  158. djia: hope you saw my last message where I agreed with you. 🙂
    Does he take questions anywhere though?

    Of course the media would probably not report it….well, maybe fox would.

    Ok, who volunteers? 😉

  159. meiyingsu, I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT! its UP TO US the grassroots to MAKE THIS OBVIOUS!

    How can you call it a townhall
    when it is a onehall
    Hmm gee I wonder where the hall
    is because that’s where I’ll go, y’all
    want to go and find us a townhall
    with Hillary afterall that’s definately a townhall
    no more onehall, mr obama, you’re noonehall!

  160. correction: By the end of the sixtys, violent overthrow mantra was the only way to make changes that was on the upswing with groups like Black Panther Party, SLA, Manson, Weathermen and others all across this nation.

    My family believe that the MLK was the only way to make lasting changes and he did keep a lid on it but once he was assassinated these groups took an upswing in the country.

    Dr. Cone decided to bridge to two in order to legitimize his brand of black Separatist movement based more on the Black Panther Party but tying MLK with it to legitimize it and wrapping it up with Christainity instead of Islam like Elijah Mohammed the founder of the Nation of Islam.

  161. For more on Obama’s old questionnaire, search on Lynn Sweet’s blog a while back: she had a scan of the whole thing.

    It was also talked about on politico iirc — the organization that received it from him did not like being called liars. They said they all sat at a table together and discussed it with him.

    Maybe he slept through that conference, like he did Wright’s sermons?

  162. LMAO.

    WOuld it be appropriate to say that Barack Obama is “pimping” himself out by offering a dinner date between him and some “lucky winner” contributor? 😀

    O, my bad, that’s RACIST, and it’s ONLY RACIST when I’m NOT using it on the CLintons.

  163. How can you call it a townhall
    when it is a onehall
    Hmm gee I wonder where the hall
    is because that’s where I’ll go, y’all
    want to go and find us a townhall
    with Hillary afterall that’s definately a townhall
    no more onehall, mr obama, you’re noonehall!

    No one likes my poem? 😉

  164. About Michelle’s background, a good UK article debunking a Newsweek article about her is on Hot Topics a while back, I think I posted it there. It showed her family’s house — hardly a log cabin. Her family was Ivy League, she got in partly as a ‘legacy’ because her older brother was there.

    In one of these profiles below there was also an analysis of Obama marrying up, into Michelle’s social class, as a way to get into Chicago politics, about the same time he joined a church for that purpose.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-life-storygallery,0,1773480.storygallery
    This is a great one-page index with preces to the whole long series of Chicago Tribune profiles of Obama from this spring. Answers nearly all questions about his background and career.

    And this, “The Agitator” about Obama’s ‘community organizer’ days (“rub raw the sores of discontent”)
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=10 (This is page 10 of 10)

  165. CJ Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 10:05 pm
    they said it was Obamas writing but Obama said he didnt write it, geez
    same ole crap different day same ole LIAR

    If it’s the questionnaire at Lynn Sweet’s, then the style sounded like Obama’s oratory. Maybe his speechwriter wrote it.

  166. # dedfg Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    djia: hope you saw my last message where I agreed with you. 🙂
    Does he take questions anywhere though?

    Of course the media would probably not report it….well, maybe fox would.

    Ok, who volunteers? 😉

    Just seeing it now 😀 I think he does especially now with his “grassroots” style campaigning in PA 😀

  167. wbboei Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    -MEMORANDUM-

    TO: NANCY PELOSI, CO-CHAIRMAN DNC

    FR: WBB MARCH 31, 2008

    RE: HOW TO UNITE THE PARTY& WIN IN 2008
    ****************************************
    Great Letter!!!!!!!! Hope you get a response back!

  168. # justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    SOMEONE comment on my poem or Ill cry 😉

    please don’t cry!! 🙂 it was a lovely poem!!

  169. confloyd,

    It’s Obama’s white grandmother in Hawaii who is still living in the same little apartment where she raised Obama from age 10, scrimping and sacrificing for him

    For more of their lifestyle — and his nutty white liberal guilt grandfather — see
    h t t p : / / isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html
    This entry quotes Obama’s white grandfather displaying some shocking liberal guilt (and dysfunctionally dumping it on a 17-year-old Obama).

  170. 1950democrat Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 10:40 pm
    WBBOEI ___ BZZZT!

    I don’t think this is what you mean:

    I can think of no better example than what
    occurred in the State of Washington. Here Obama won the caucus by 67% with a mere 10% electoral participation, whereas he won the ensuing primary by only 50% with a much higher participation
    _________________________________________

    1950 Democrat: pls call: 206 328 1804.

  171. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    lol thank you thank you thank you 😉 I sleep me a happy man

    😀

  172. goodnight my friends, you’ve all been great, Im proud of you! Keep up the work, I think Hillary’s raised over 3 million dollars! Just wants to wait until the media reports it tomorrow.

    DONT YOU ALL EVER DESPAIR!

    HILLARY WILL PREVAIL

  173. Hillary will prevail. Great sentiment. And great work everyone. We can do this. We can win this. Goodnight all.

  174. If fear is cultivated it will become stronger, if faith is cultivated it will achieve mastery.
    John Paul Jones

  175. I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 96% how I react to it.

    Scipio Africanus

    A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

    Winston Churchill

  176. thank you cabynew

    siprio africanus–a greater than napoleon according to british military historian liddell hart —and a better general than mathmatician according to me unless the 6 is really a zero. But the concept sure is right.

    I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 96% how I react to it.

    Scipio Africanus

  177. 1950D, don’t give your email address here. Lots and lots of trouble making Obamabots here.

    Use HillBill’s site.

  178. Sure sounds like Obama knows how to work with Republicans and cross party lines doesn’t it?

    Obama’s Alliance With McCain, And How It All Fell Apart
    Washington Post | March 31, 2008 01:45 PM

    “A year into his tenure on Capitol Hill, Barack Obama (D-Ill.) approached John McCain on the Senate floor to propose the two work together on a lobbying and ethics reform bill,” the Washington Post recalls. “The four-term Arizona Republican, 25 years Obama’s senior, quickly saw a willing apprentice to help shake up the way business was done on Capitol Hill.”

    “I like him; he’s probably got a great future. We can do some work together,” McCain confided to his top staffer.

    Instead, what began as a promising collaboration between two men bent on burnishing their reformist credentials collapsed after barely a week. The McCain-Obama relationship came undone amid charges and countercharges, all aired publicly two years ago in an exchange of stark and angry letters. Obama questioned whether McCain sided with GOP leaders rather than searching for a bipartisan solution; McCain accused Obama of “typical rhetorical gloss” and “self interested partisan posturing” by a newcomer seeking to ingratiate himself with party leaders.

    “Please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again,” McCain wrote Obama on Feb. 6, 2006.

    It was the first, and only, time the two ever tried extensively working together.

    More than two years later, with McCain and Obama potentially poised to go head to head in a presidential campaign with stakes far greater than regulating who picks up steakhouse tabs, the reform fight has emerged as a looking-glass moment of what a fall campaign could resemble.

    McCain’s backers view it as emblematic of Obama’s ability to talk grand ideas and aspirations, but also of his ultimate failure to produce substantive results. Obama’s supporters contend that the moment was vintage Obama, with the newcomer defusing the feud with a cool demeanor that allowed him to claim the high ground while rolling up his sleeves to eventually help pass a broader ethics overhaul bill in August 2007.

  179. I know she already hit the $3 million (YAY!) but it would be cool to see my donation factor in to it.

    Is anyone else in NC is going to the Hill’s state headquarters opening party in Raleigh on Wednesday? I’m taking my neice, and we will both be wearing our custom-made “Hillary is 44” shirts I made for us, so if you’re there, come say hi! 🙂

  180. This is a well-written article if anyone wants to check it out – what the Republican machine has planned for Hussein, if he steals the nomination.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZGVkY2NhYTkzZjIyYzRkYTIxNTU3MjBiMDVmZmE2Y2Y=&w=MA==

    Anyone else heard rumors about Richardson’s trip to Columbia? Maybe I missed it, but I haven’t seen anyone touch this story? Does Rezko’s South American money trail have anything to do with this?

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Headlines/Default.aspx?id=74021

  181. Haven’t checked this but it looks like a good resource:

    electoral-vote.com …the Precious is continuing his free fall and now loosing to McCain 314 to 215 with 9 tied states…enough to WIN…Hill is trailing McCain but by 268 to 239 with 31 tied states…so who is MORE ELECTABLE???

  182. Obama’s statement that “my daughters should be punished for a mistake with a baby” cost him any chance of getting any Catholic movement to him in PA from the Casey endorsement. He blew this one big time and in effect neutralized any small gains he may have made from Casey’s endorsement. Now we know why he trys not to take questions at his campaign stops.

  183. FORGIVE ME FOR POSTING THIS LONG ARTICLE HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT. FROM NOQUARTER.COM :
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  184. It’s funny how things have a habit of repeating themselves. Immediately following the Wright revelations and just before Obama’s much heralded race speech a link was removed from the Obama campaign website. That link was to the New Black Panther Party. Of course the Obama campaign when asked about the association was quick to point out that anyone could link to his website and they have no control over what people do. And if you have stopped laughing long enough at this bogus excuse then perhaps you might be interested to know that now that the polls show that Wright isn’t hurting Obama with Democrats the link to the New Black Panther Party is back up in all it’s glory.

    What is most troubling about the new Black Panther Party is how closely their philosophy mirrors the philosophy of Reverend Jeremiah Wright, spiritual mentor of Barack Obama. They are clearly Afrocentric just like Wright. And they take Wright’s hatred a step further by actually threatening those that stand in their way.

    The Nine Objectives

    When necessary we must deal firmly and appropriately with “Black” leadership who betray the interests of the Black community or Black Nation.

    We call on Black Police officers to recognize that they are Black men and women first and police officers second. We call on Black police officers to recognize our common enemy who put our people in this condition.

    Did you get that? Black men and women BEFORE they are police officers. Forget the content of character. Throw that baby out with the bathwater. Common enemy? I wonder who that might be? These folks are militants and they aren’t fooling around. And a BLACK Nation? I assure you, they aren’t talking about Africa. And if you got the mistaken impression that these folks were misguided patriots like Obama’s Uncle Jeremiah Wright, just look at what they say about protecting this country.

    New Black Panthers

    We believe further in: POWER IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE! WEALTH IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE! ARMS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE!

    We believe that this wicked racist government has robbed us, and now we are demanding the overdue debt of reparations.

    We want all Black Men and Black Women to be exempt from military service. We believe that Black People should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that holds us captive and does not protect us. We will not fight and kill other people of color in the world who, like Black People, are being victimized by the white racist government of America. We will protect ourselves from the force and violence of the racist police and the racist military, “by any means necessary.”

    By any means necessary? Have you read the Autobiography of Malcolm X? Do these words reflect the intent of peaceable people intent on working together to solve problems? Oh, and who was it that said his favorite book during his formative years was The Autobiography of Malcolm X? Give up? I’ll give you a clue. His initials are Barack Obama.

    So who are the New Black Panthers and how did they get started?

    Well, the first thing you need to know about them is that they were started by a protege of Louis Farrakhan named Khalid Abdul Muhammad. Muhammad was known as a forceful opponent of whites, Jews and homosexuals. And he was no friend of conservative or moderate blacks either.

    Khalid Abdul Muhammad

    By 1985, Muhammad had become one of Louis Farrakhan’s most trusted advisors in the Nation of Islam. He accompanied Farrakhan on fund-raising trips to Libya, where he became well acquainted with Muammar al-Gaddafi. Muhammad’s dedication to Farrakhan and to the message of the NOI eventually secured him the title of national spokesman and he was named one of Louis Farrakhan’s top lieutenants in 1981. He served at Nation of Islam mosques in New York and Atlanta throughout the decade, and in 1991 he became Farrakhan’s personal assistant.

    I wonder if he was with Wright and Farrakhan on their infamous trip together?

    But strangely Muhammad was even too controversial for the Nation of Islam. And after he gave a speech in 1993 in which he criticized almost everyone that wasn’t black like he thought they should be, he was officially censured by the US Senate and the House of Representatives. There is some dispute as to whether he left the Nation of Islam voluntarily or whether he was forced out by Farrakhan. Perhaps we may never know.

    New Black Panther Party endorses Barack Obama for President

    In a 1993 speech condemned by the U.S. Congress and Senate, Muhammad, lionized on the NBPP site, referred to Jews as “bloodsuckers,” labeled the pope a “no-good cracker” and advocated the murder of white South Africans who would not leave the nation subsequent to a 24-hour warning.

    After leaving the Nation of Islam, Muhammad quickly became the National Chairman for the New Black Panther Party. As a featured speaker at the Million Man March, Muhammad left no doubt what the New Black Panther Party stood for.

    If Don Imus Is Racist What About The Others?

    ”I came [today] to place the blame squarely where it belongs. I didn’t come to pin the tail on the donkey. I came to pin the tail on the honky….We want to try the white man today. We want to hold court on this devil today, hold court on this cracker. . . . And we will find this cracker guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, with moral certainty, and with no recommendation for mercy. . . . We gonna keep this cracker on death row with no possibility for a stay of execution. . . . There must be a time and a generation that will rise up…and take our political prisoners from this no-good, low-down, dirty white man. …[T]he white man is the coldest, most vicious one that has ever lived….[on]the planet earth.”

    And just like Obama’s spiritual mentor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Muhammad has a problem with some people’s noses.

    Khalid Abdul Muhammad

    “The so-called Jew claims that there were six million in Nazi Germany. I am here today to tell you that there is absolutely no evidence, no proof. There is absolutely no evidence to substantiate, to prove that six million so-called Jews lost their lives in Nazi Germany…”

    “Don’t let no hooked-nose, bagel-eating, lox-eating, perpetrating-a-fraud so-called Jew who just crawled out of the ghettoes of Europe just a few days ago…”

    “The practice of those freakish Rabbis [circumcision] is that they place their lips on the penis of these young boys and after they have cut the foreskin back, suck the blood from the head of the penis of their own young boys…”

    And if that hasn’t convinced you that the ‘father’ of the New Black Panther Party isn’t a very bad person take a look at this. But be warned.
    It is probably one of the worst things you have EVER watched.

    Wow… hope that didn’t freak you out because there is much more to come.In 2001 Muhammad died suddenly from a brain aneurysm. But the New Black Panther Party didn’t end. It was taken over by an equally rabid person named Malik Zulu Shabazz who under Muhammad had been the group’s National Attorney and Spokesman. Shabazz also shares the same loathing of Jews as Wright, Farrakhan and Muhammad. After the attack on our nation Shabazz found it in his heart to say this:ADL

    Zionism is racism, Zionism is terrorism, Zionism is colonialism, Zionism is Imperialism, and support for Zionism is the root of why so many were killed on September 11.

    We have to make it plain that Zionists control America, lock stock and barrel, the European Jews have America under control, lock, stock, and barrel, the media, foreign policy.

    National Press Club in Washington, DC (October 31, 2001)

    And only 6 months later while protesting at the B’nai B’rith building in Washington, D.C. Shabazz led these unbeliveable chants:

    “death to Israel,” “the white man is the devil,” and “Jihad.” Shabazz also said, “Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!”

    Kill little babies and old ladies? This guy isn’t just a thug. He is an inhuman beast. And he is also a conspiracy theory nut.

    “If 3,000 people perished in the World Trade Center attacks and the Jewish population is 10 percent, you show me records of 300 Jewish people dying in the World Trade Center…We’re daring anyone to dispute its truth. They got their people out.”

    Let’s see. Obama’s spiritual mentor Wright blames us for the attacks on 9/11. And Shabazz blames the Jews. Wright doesn’t like Jews and neither does Shabazz. I wonder if there is a bit more to their mutual dislike of Jews and white people than an accidental coincidence. I wonder what Shabazz has to say about it….

    An Interview with Malik Zulu Shabazz

    Today, they are upset with us because we have aligned ourselves with the Nation of Islam and because one of the great warriors and helpers of the Nation of Islam, Dr. Khallid Abdul Muhammad, was the former National Chairman of the New Black Panther Party. So, in that sense, in this present time, the Nation of Islam has given birth to the New Black Panther Party on a national level, because there was only one or two chapters of the New Black Panther Party until Dr. Khallid Abdul Muhammad was appointed the National Chairman in 1998 and spread the New Black Panther Party into now, over 40 cities including London, England and into Germany.

    So, we today are happy to be involved in a African United Front. We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology.

    The New Black Panther Party believes in a Black Liberation Theology. The New Black Panther Party believes in the Theology of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. We believe in spiritual values, which is giving us humility, where we’re not doing our own will; we firmly believe that we’re doing God’s Will.

    God’s will? Black first philosophy? Sounds an awful like the Black Value System of Obama’s Trinity United Church of Christ to me. In fact both the New Black Panther Party and the Trinity United Church of Christ share a reverence for the “black liberation theology.”

    Talking Points

    The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.

    So Wright and the New Black Panther Party share a common philosophical belief system. They also both blame white people and Jews for every ill under the sun. And apparently they both support the same candidate for President.

    New Black Panther Endorsement

    “I have nothing but respect for Obama and for his pastor,” said Shabazz, referring to Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor of nearly 20 years.

    So he respects them both. But does he know Obama. Well, funny I should mention it, because indeed he does.

    Obama Campaign Removes New Black Panther Party Endorsement From Web Site

    Shabazz boasted he met Obama last March when the politician attended the 42nd anniversary of the voting rights marches in Selma, Ala.

    Isn’t that cool. He met Obama the day Obama lied about his parents getting their inspiration to create him from the Selma marches that just somehow mysteriously occurred 5 years after he was born. His folks were psychics. Betcha didn’t know that.

    But just what is it about Obama that Shabazz respects the most?

    New Black Panther Party
    Endorses Obama

    Shabazz referred to Obama as a man with a “Muslim background, a man of color.”Shabazz referred to Obama as a man with a “Muslim background, a man of color.”

    Maybe this is what Kerry meant when he said that Obama would make a good President BECAUSE he is a black man. BECAUSE he would be able to reach out to the more moderate Muslims. But somehow I don’t see people that threaten to kill children and old women as moderate. Well, at least they aren’t strapping dynamite to their bodies or flying aircraft into buildings full of people. So maybe that’s what he meant by moderate.

    USANews

    the color of Obama’s skin makes him uniquely qualified for president and even reach out to the moderate Islam world

    Oh, what the heck. Let’s allow John Kerry to tell you himself:

    So what have we learned? Obama has ties to some fairly despicable people. Yes, they may be Americans but they consider their selves separate from the rest of us. In fact that is what their ultimate goal is. A common theme is Black separation. Black power. And White blame.And just what is the consequence of this separation movement? Do the words of the leader of the New Black Panther Party comfort us? Should we feel safe that this man’s words are merely that, just words? Should we adopt the belief system of Obama and just consider this guy Shabazz like a crazy uncle like Reverend Jeremiah Wright? Because otherwise we might be distancing ourselves from the entire black community?Or is this separation movement so organized that the thoughts coming from the person in the video below are becoming commonplace in “Black” America? And shouldn’t we be concerned?

  185. You know, there’s alot of hostility brewing here. It’s turned into a full-on attack site since I first joined 🙁

    I don’t like Obama either, but let’s focus on how she’s going to win instead of grasping at straws for stories that the MSM would never pick up, even if they panned out. 🙂

  186. notice under 9 objectives, in the third paragraph of the statement, they say: when necessary deal firmly with the leadership, who betray the interests of the black community…

    now we know why the black hillary supporters in congress were afraid to stick by her…

    obama, got ‘made’, or for those who dont know what that means, how about ‘jumped in’…
    ask don corleone, he’ll explain it to you…
    obama i think got more than he knew… or not…

  187. Well, for starters, all these things tying him to terrorist organizations. I’ve seen him linked to Hamas, Al Qaeda and FARC, and that’s just the last three days! I agree he’s a scumbag, and some stories DO have legs (for example, rjk, I think that the comments about having babies is a story that can go places if it pans out and the MSM DOES THEIR JOB FOR ONCE and becomes objective). Yeah, he’s got problems. But I also don’t think he’s going to destroy America (well not from terrorists anyway, he’d destroy America just by being a liar and terrible president lol!)

  188. There was a blurb on my local 6 o’clock news about one of our Representatives offering a new solution to the Michigan delegate crisis. I only caught the tail end of the story, so I don’t know who the Representative is. But he/she is proposing to the DNC that 1/2 of Michigan’s delegates be seated according to the results of our January Primary. The other 1/2 of our delegates would go to whichever candidate is leading in the popular vote after all the primaries are said and done. This sounds like a reasonable, workable solution to me, but I’ll have to read the fine print before I give it a definite thumbs up.

  189. skm,
    It’s a 50/50 split, but not the type that Obama wants. That first 50 percent of the delegates would be seated according to the results of Michigan’s January primary, which Hillary won. So she would get the majority of those delegates. They gave the exact numbers on TV. I don’t remember who gets what exactly, but Hillary definitely gets more.

  190. rjk, I’m sorry you thought I was accusing you of anything. I’ve heard the same story from legitimate news outlets; If anything I was using you as an example of a rational story! 🙂

  191. Jen the Michigander

    I can live with that plan Hillary still comes out ahead and she will win the popular vote and probably split the remanining delegates with Obama. What many fail to realize is that the SD from MI and FL will also be seated and so far Hillary leads that group with about 15 to 5 and another 30 undeclared (Hillary will win most of them over as she wanted to seat them all along)

  192. This Democrat won’t back Obama

    dailyherald.com/story/?id=163732&src=

    I am a long-time Democratic supporter who can’t believe the audacity of Barack Obama when he says that all of Hillary’s supporters will vote for him, but many of his supporters will not vote for her.

    I am a Hillary supporter who will not vote for Barack Obama who supposedly gets things right the first time, but hasn’t found the exit at Trinity United Church of Christ in over 20 years. How much time does he need to get it (W)right?

    I will not vote for Barack Obama whose wife has just recently found a reason to be proud of America. I will not vote for Barack Obama who considers himself an African-American. I don’t care if the president is a man or a woman, black, white or brown, but I don’t want the President to be an African-American, European-American, Asian-American, or any other hyphenated kind of American. I simply want him or her to be an American.

    Loren Kramer

  193. April 01, 2008
    Trying to Shove Hillary Out
    By Marie Cocco

    WASHINGTON — Have you noticed something similar about those Barack Obama campaign surrogates and the media soothsayers who have started a drum-beat to force Hillary Clinton out of the Democratic presidential contest? Hint: They tend to share a certain anatomical attribute.

    I guess the boys are just being boys again. They’ve failed to dispatch Clinton in the race thus far — remember, they were predicting the fall of the “house of Clinton” in New Hampshire. Then Kennedy magic was supposed to transform Obama into the anointed nominee on Super Tuesday, but star-power appearances in California by the women of Camelot failed to help Obama there, and not even Ted Kennedy could deliver his home state of Massachusetts. Clinton won decisively in the Bay State and took all the big states on Super Tuesday, except Obama’s home state of Illinois and in Missouri, where he edged her by a single percentage point.

    Clinton then was supposed to bow out after March 4 if she did not win the crucial states of Texas and Ohio. But darn! She messed up their game plan again by winning both of those states — and Rhode Island, too.

    Those looking ahead now see no way, based on current polling and the way the demographics of Pennsylvania break down, that Obama will win that next mega-state on April 22. Those looking even further ahead see only more uncertainty — a series of contests lasting until June in which some states seem to naturally favor Clinton (Kentucky, West Virginia) while others seem to favor Obama (North Carolina, Oregon).

    Since we’re talking boy-talk here, we might as well get right into their rhetorical comfort zone: Obama now is ahead by a field goal in the third quarter. But the fourth quarter has yet to be played and who knows what the score will be at the end of regulation? So here’s their plan, hatched in the locker room: Push Clinton off the field now so that Obama can take his early victory lap.

    Obama denies that he is personally behind this strategy. But let’s face it. The pronouncements by Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Chris Dodd, D-Conn., both big-name Obama supporters and superdelegates, that Clinton needs to limp away with her head held low looked terribly orchestrated.

    Leahy was particularly odious when, after declaring Clinton had “no way” to win the nomination, he offered her a very warm seat. It happens to be one she already holds and it is, of course, comfortably below the glass ceiling. “Frankly, I feel that she would have a tremendous career in the Senate,” Leahy declared.

    If it weren’t so galling, it would be amusing to watch the Democratic men shuffling nervously in their television studio chairs, trying to conceal the audacity of their arrogance. For they have something in common besides their anatomy: It’s Hillary Clinton. For nearly two decades, she’s raised more money for more Democrats than anyone except, perhaps, Bill Clinton. She’s certainly done more obligatory “Women-for-(Your Candidate’s Name Here)” events than, say, the Obama girl on YouTube.

    Now Clinton’s methodical, dogged history of work for the Democratic Party is treated just like the methodical, dogged histories of so many women in the workplace: Having come this far she must not go too far. She must step aside to take the smaller office, with the lesser title and the lower pay to make room for the younger guy with the thinner resume. And please, would she just go quietly like a good girl?

    Maybe it is true that Clinton has no realistic way to win the nomination. But Obama hasn’t won it either — and contrary to the myth his campaign has spun, Obama can’t win without superdelegates to put him over the top.

    Somehow the Obama campaign has come to believe that insulting Clinton is the same as beating her. It isn’t. And insulting her supporters — especially women and, in particular, working-class women, who have clung to her candidacy all these months — isn’t much of a general-election victory strategy. Women were 54 percent of the electorate in the presidential election of 2004. Without their support, Al Gore would not have won the popular vote in 2000 and John Kerry wouldn’t have come so close in 2004. Women voters put Democrats in control of Congress in 2006.

    So, the Obama campaign can continue trying to get its allies in the media and various party pooh-bahs to push Clinton aside early. Or Obama can welcome the fight — and win it like a man.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/the_men_try_to_shove_hillary_o.html

  194. another great article!

    timesleader.com/news/20080401_01prezendorse_jen_ART.html

    Most top county Dems back Hillary
    Out of 11 asked, nine elected officials plus party chairman support former first lady.

    By Jennifer Learn-Andes jandes@timesleader.com
    Luzerne County Reporter

    Luzerne County leaders have started taking sides in the Democratic presidential race, though most seem to be stepping out for New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    County Party Chairman Mark Bufalino said he supports Clinton. The county organization may endorse a presidential candidate before the April 22 primary – a decision that would be made by the group’s 55-member executive committee, he said.

    Bufalino said he doesn’t agree with national political pundits who say the battle between Clinton and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is dividing the party.

    “I don’t see that being the case, particularly locally,” Bufalino said, describing the race as a “healthy contest.”

    “One of our badges of honor over the last few years is that we’ve been united and won’t let anything disrupt that,” Bufalino said.

    County Commissioner Chairwoman Maryanne Petrilla is also behind Clinton but said she’ll back Obama if Clinton does not receive the nomination.

    Petrilla said she supports Clinton because she has ties to the area and understands the health care crisis and other needs.

    “I just think she really gets it. She understands what it’s like for the middle class to have to struggle,” Petrilla said.

    However, Petrilla said she had “mixed emotions” about endorsing a candidate.

    “I came out for Hillary, but at the same time, I believe in his (Obama’s) candidacy,” she said. “I can’t be for both of them, but I’d have no problem throwing my support completely toward Obama if Hillary doesn’t receive the nomination.”

    Petrilla said she would have attended Obama’s speech today to show him she supports him as a contender, but nobody from his campaign reached out.

    Democratic Commissioner Greg Skrepenak has said he was on the fence in choosing a presidential candidate. He could not be reached for comment on several attempts Monday.

    Several local Democratic state representatives say they have pledged support for Clinton including: Phyllis Mundy, Kingston; Todd Eachus, Butler Township; Eddie Day Pashinski, Wilkes-Barre; and John Yudichak, Nanticoke.

    Pashinski said he will back Obama if Clinton loses, though he hopes it doesn’t come to that.

    “I had my mind made up a long time ago. I’m 100 percent behind Hillary,” Pashinski said.

    State Sen. Raphael Musto, D-Pittston Township, and U.S. Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski, D-Nanticoke, also support Clinton, along with Wilkes-Barre Mayor Tom Leighton and county District Attorney Jackie Musto Carroll.

    State Sen. Robert Mellow, D-Peckville, who represents several municipalities in Luzerne County, is supporting Obama, according to his staffers.

    Jennifer Learn-Andes, a Times Leader staff writer, may be reached at 831-7333.

  195. “pimp for a day”

    a op-ed about rush and obama’s republican cross over campaigns
    as well not so nice words about dick morris

    check it out!

    opednews.com/articles/opedne_marilyn__080331_pimp_for_a_day_3a_advi.htm

  196. Hillary Clinton joining Jay Leno’s lineup — again
    by Mark Silva

    It’s time for Sen. Hillary Clinton to draw her secret weapon again:

    The late-night comedy circuit.

    Clinton will appear on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno on Thursday — her third appearance on NBC’s late-night comedy show, the producers say.

    Clinton, who has used appearances such as these to great effect, made a splash on the network’s Saturday Night Live at a time when her campaign needed a boost.

    This is another one of those times.

  197. i with skmf12, obama is bad new for this country all the way around. he’ll never get elected, the conservatives will come out in force over this islam stuff, abortion, that’s not even his liberal backing. He will never win!! I will vote McCain if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, I consider it a duty to this country.

  198. hi hillfans. i know it is early but that new survey usa poll showing hillary ahead of bawak by nearly 30 point in kentucky is great!!!

  199. There has been speculation on what the voter turnout in Puerto Rico will be in June. No one knows since Puerto Rico has never been in this position before. On November 7, 2000 about 2 million out of 2.4 million registered voters went to the polls for local elections even though they can not vote for President. This year their votes may very well determine the Democratic nominee (not just delegates but popular vote) and I expect a huge turnout that may rival the turnout in PA.

    I did have a thought about absentee ballots. How many PR’s living stateside will vote in the PR primary? That may be another source of votes for the overall popular vote count.

  200. Ok, this is enough to make you vomit but you need to see it, this is the video from the Trinity Church Trumpeteer award to Farrakhan.

    Of all things its called the Rev Jermiah Wright Trumpeteer award for lifetime achievment to the “honourable” Louis Farrakhan.

    This needs to be seen far and wide, this is who Obama and his church supports. Make no mistake

    video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4791727359480605525&q=farrakhan+lifetime+achievement&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

  201. Some bad news for John McCain.

    Report: Bob Barr Weighing Presidential Run
    by FOXNews.com
    Monday, March 31, 2008

    Former Republican Georgia Rep. Bob Barr is considering a run for president on the Libertarian Party ticket, according to FITNews.

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/31/report-bob-barr-weighing-presidential-run/

  202. djia Says:
    April 1st, 2008 at 1:58 am

    “pimp for a day”

    a op-ed about rush and obama’s republican cross over campaigns
    as well not so nice words about dick morris

    check it out!

    opednews.com/articles/opedne_marilyn__080331_pimp_for_a_day_3a_advi.htm

    Their link to the Hardball quote is wrong: http://www.msnbc.com/id/23255694/
    The correct link, which I have at ironmyvote, is http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23255694/

    They have a link to Time that doesn’t work either. Here is the correct one: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1723756,00.html

  203. This morning the Bloomberg radio news cited a poll in Indiana from a predominantly white area of the state. It said 39% of voters responded that the Wright affair made them less likely to vote for Obama. I don’t know if this was just Democrats or voters overall. I didn’t catch the name of the poll but if anyone finds this information today please post it.

  204. I think this may have been posted earlier but check out this video:

    It’s a video from Obama’s church saluting Louis Farrakhan on receiving the Rv. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. lifetime achievement award.

    video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4791727359480605525&q=farrakhan+lifetime+achievement&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

    short version:

    tinyurl.com/2srv9u

  205. I will say it again…..it took 6 weeks and a romping in the WI primary before Dean dropped out following the “Dean Scream.” that is why the pressure is so great on Clinton now. Rev. Wright = beginning of death spiral for BO, PA = acceleration of death spiral.

  206. Just a friendly heads-up NOT to freak as a new Rasmussen poll supposedly will show Pennsylvania a 5 point race, 47-42.
    Where oh where have we seen this before?
    Remember the hysteria of “Hill must win Ohio AND Texas or she’s finished!”
    Bogus polls intended to affect public opinion (and moreso to give the media some “basis” for continuing their sickening storyline) showed her OH lead shrinking (and showed her trailing in TX) and yet it never happened, did it?
    Supposedly- all the genius pundits said if she won TX & OH it’d be
    “a whole new ballgame”.
    But it hasn’t sounded like a new game these last weeks, with wall-to-wall media screaming for her to get out.

    Fuck’em all.

  207. rjk: excellent article last night.

    “…Now Clinton’s methodical, dogged history of work for the Democratic Party is treated just like the methodical, dogged histories of so many women in the workplace: Having come this far she must not go too far. She must step aside to take the smaller office, with the lesser title and the lower pay to make room for the younger guy with the thinner resume. And please, would she just go quietly like a good girl? …”

    Sounds like my workplace.

  208. Good morning everyone

    I guess Ras had Hillary up 15 2 weeks ago, then up 10 last week and now this week she is just up by 5. I guess the next poll that they bring out will have her tied and the week of PA’s voting, Obama will be up 5.

  209. Trust me on this ,PA is not a 5 point race, Rass is trying to influence to make HRC look bad, its more like 20%

  210. God i jsut read through that poll in PA from Rass, what a biased piece of crap that basically says withdraw, so so biased.

    that poll was done on 700 likely voters, yeah and i bet they picked the voters.

  211. The best thing about that poll from Rass in PA is that they did a force question about Clinton and Bosnia and not Obama and Wright, so i guess that didnt factor in their “polling”.

  212. http://www.rasmussenreports.com

    I don’t believe that poll and I wouldn’t get worked up about it. Hill will be doing her bus tour next week and that poll includes Bosnia. she will win by 10ptsor more.

    The important thing to take fromt hat poll is:
    1. Hill’s supporters are hardening more against Obama if he gets the nomination.

    Tensions clearly remain in the contest. If Obama is nominated, just 56% of Clinton supporters say they are likely to vote for him against John McCain. Forty percent (40%) of Clinton voters in Pennsylvania say they are not likely to vote for Obama.

    On the other hand, if Clinton is nominated, just 67% of Obama supporters say they are likely to vote for her against McCain. Twenty-nine percent (29%) are not.

    Just 21% of Pennsylvania’s Primary Voters say that Clinton should drop out of the race while 18% would like Obama to leave. Those figures are similar to results from a recent national survey. Fifty-one percent (51%) in Pennsylvania say it’s very likely the contest will not be resolved until the convention in Denver. That figure includes 61% of Clinton voters and 38% of those who support Obama. Overall, another 33% say a convention decision is Somewhat Likely.

  213. Anyone hear that Pelosi changed her mind again and now says SD’s should vote their conscience?

    I still can’t find the report from yesterday where she said HRC should get out. Anyone have it?

  214. I wonder, what pool of people Ras used for his poll? Did the polling base include more students or AA’s?

    The AOL straw poll is interesting. It runs for a week, and you can vote only once. PA has over 3,000 votes and the margin is closer than 5 points. it is a self-selected poll, so the bias is there.

    news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll

  215. Wbboei – Your letter is great. Your points are right on, the tone is exact and your argument credible. Thank you

  216. Do your research on polling science. You will see that just about any results you want can be had by changing the questions or adjusting the sampling. Just consider it propaganda. Even average folks these days have a gut feeling not to put too much faith in polls. As far as the PA polls, the pollsters (all neo-libs) will find that their false results (a polite way for saying lies) and intellectual arrogance will backfire once again. Hillary’s voters will come out in droves to make certain she wins. Don’t stir up the hornets nest, as they say.

  217. Rasmussen is a crap pollster. Whether intentional or not I don’t know. He had HRC tied w/ BO in Ohio a few days before the primary and we all know how that turned out! I just disregard his #s even if they are positive for Hill.

  218. Paddy: ITA. Like what, people say about statistics, you can slant them anyway, to reflect your viewpoints. I don’t believe that poll, especially after looking at the AOL straw poll. I do expect the race to tighten, but I don’t think BO will win PA. That’s why, I asked about the polling sample. I couldn’t find it, in the report. Propaganda.

    lies, damned lies, and polls. LOL!

  219. All these lying polls are being used to prop Obama up so that the SD will continue to think He is still the “Messiah” for the democratic party. Those bums have fools some of the people and kept the Obama voters still clinging to that hopium that they’ve been smokin.

    Never in my life have I’ve seen such blatant election tampering as this campaign.

    The mind games WILL not Succeed and no matter how many INSULTS the “fat cats” in D.C. do we will not SURRENDER and we will FIGHT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION!!

  220. I’d like to give Nancy Pelosi some props. She was on GMA this morning & finally talked some common sense.

  221. Nancy Pelosi is trying to save her ass…so no I’m not giving her any props she has been terrible this election cycle. For her to say all the things she said in trying to protect OBAMA tells me all those phone calls and email, and faxes and her OWN constituents in northern cal finally got her attention.

  222. By the way, Obama has been caught out in a load of lies in the last few days, have we heard the flap that they had over Bosnia, not a fucking peep.

    How Ridiculous, talk about double standard bias.

  223. moononpluto,
    I think maybe the letter from those big donors had an effect on her. And, according to a poster at TM, Hill is up by 12pts in PA according to SUSA. I checked RCP but they haven’t posted it yet.

  224. the link ton article with Pelosi saying today that the race should go on!

    STFU from now on you IDIOT!!!

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_el_pr/pelosi_democrats

  225. Rassmussen is skewing it, you know it, i know it, so does the campaigns, Susa is the most reliable, if they had Hill only by a few in PA, i’d believe, they are pinpoint accurate this year.

    They had Ohio right, they’ll have PA right too., and jesus if HRC is 30% ahead in Kentucky by SUSA, she is that far ahead.

  226. I just logged onto the front page of SUSA, it was funny, they had

    Electoral votes

    HRC 187 vs Mc Cain 314
    Obama 14 vs McCain 514

    Might have been an ad but i just had to laugh, even they know whats gonna happen.

  227. “Well, could you imagine if Rocky Balboa had gotten half way up those Art Museum steps and said, “Well, I guess that’s about far enough?”

    “Let me tell you something, when it comes to finishing the fight, Rocky and I have a lot in common. I never quit. I never give up. And

    thepage.time.com/excerpts-of-clintons-speech-to-the-pennsylvania-afl-cio/

  228. Wbboei-

    Your letter is fantastic! I strongly suggest you send it to the NY Times, WA post and other MSM newspapers. That one should be published as an op ed.

  229. Depressing fucking morning waking up and reading the scum bag Drudge and his anti-Hillary headlines, Rasmussen Poll with us incredibly down to only 7% lead in Penn, and all the other bullshit. At least realclearpolitic.com has some pro Hillary stories. I am beginning to think Penn will play out more like Texas than Ohio with us winning by only 3-5% which is not good. That god dam Bosnia thing hurt her and as much as I love her, it could not have come at a worse time. Dam it, we need some positive news to fall our way and or some negative stuff on Obama…I really can’t believe we are going to lose to this fucking novice/race baiter….deprssing to say the least.

  230. Why are they trying to say Clintons lead shrinks.

    The hilarious thing is, they say there is movement to Obama from anti abortion democrats. Well thats going to be gone after Sundays little fuck up, saying a baby was a punishment.

  231. jbstonesfan-

    Do not get depressed. Pennsylvania is not TX or OH it is New Hampshire. I lived in Pittsburgh for 2 1/2 years. Those people are very independant thinking hard working salt of the earth people. There is no way stinky’s message will resonate with them.

    Feeling down? Make some phone calls. You will rarely find more easily approachable people than you will in Pittsburgh and Western PA.

  232. you know it’s funny, but I still feel very strongly that Hillary is going to win no matter what is going on now…..and my instincts are usually right.

  233. I’ve been busy as hell at work over the past few days, but I wanted to send you all a big hug and a kiss for keeping up the good fight! We keep fighting so long as Hillary does! This is far from being over.

  234. Who really bought the “Rezko lot”?

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/follow-money-who-really-bought-rezko.html

  235. 11:37am
    I am beginning to think Penn will play out more like Texas than Ohio with us winning by only 3-5% which is not good. That god dam Bosnia thing hurt her and as much as I love her, it could not have come at a worse time. Dam it, we need some positive news to fall our way and or some negative stuff on Obama…I really can’t believe we are going to lose to this fucking novice/race baiter….deprssing to say the least.
    **************************88

    Don’t get down, PA is still 3wks out and that is an eternity. That poll was taken on the tail end of the Bosnia issue. Look at Rass head to head, she has closed the 6 or 7pt gap to 1pt.

    She is just starting to get a bit of her message through today. I believe that the Rocky analogy will play well in PA especially as parts of the film was filmed there.

    I think that those excerpts will get good play today. she needs to get out and meet more with the people and she is doing that. A report from TM today said during that Union rally, her SUV pulled up and she got out and shook hands all down the line. That will play well on Tv.

    Obama only scoring 37 in bowling and having Hill clad herself as a fighter will juxtapose Obama as a wimp especially coming on the heeds for her tod rop out.

    I thinkt hat next week when she does her own bus tour through PA, that# will pick up.

    One thing I see with the Clintons is that they work hard and she does better when her back is against the wall.

    I expect to see her doing 4 events every other day in Pa one week out to 4/22. I expect to see Bill doing 5-6 events every other day in rural PA as well.

    That means between the 3 of them, they can cover 45 events during those last 10 days.

  236. This is so crazy. That article re pelois is a joke. They try to mak Obama sound like he hasnt said a bunch of times basically hill should get out, and they hold to their ridiculous, she can’t win anyway meme.

  237. 1950dem.. curious about what video you are talking about here?

    —-
    Is that the video with her in an armoured vest surrounded by soldiers in armour and helmets and all looking not at her but at the perimeter where attacks might come from? And a sturcture protected by sandbags?

    At noquarterusa.net some ex-military people talked about how much danger that suggests, and quoted a lot of military people familiar with the trip.

    This op-ed by ex-staff is very mild and uninformed. Much stronger defense is available.

    1950democrat | Homepage | 04.01.2008 – 06:54 am |
    ——————

    I have not seen this video. Do you have a link? All I have seen is the one where she is talking to the little girl.

    PM | 04.01.2008 – 10:27 am | #

  238. Clinton-Obama race spurs party switches

    PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Nearly 10,000 Oregonians — and thousands more voters in other late-primary states — have temporarily switched party affiliations in order to be able to vote in the red-hot Democratic primary. Oregon holds its contest on May 20.

    Many voters say they have made the switch to grab the chance to have a voice they never thought they’d have, in a historic race that conventional wisdom had predicted would be decided on Super Tuesday in February.

    Some renegade conservatives, though, will admit to switching in order to drag out the Democratic primary between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton in the hope of bruising both candidates along the way.

    Talk radio hostess Victoria Taft, a familiar Republican voice in the Democratic-leaning Pacific Northwest, said that even in her wildest dreams, she never imagined urging her listeners to vote for Clinton.

  239. hi hillfans, coughing and feeling lousy. i guess i caught what my wife had a while ago. anyway im pumped hillary made the $3 million challenge. i wonder when the march numbers are due?

  240. I see no reason that we should not go to the pro bho sites dump our facts and then leave. we don’t have to stick around for the abuse but maybe just maybe some of our posts will go up and educate the swirly headed bots about the truth.

  241. Good morning everyone,

    Correct me if i am wrong. I hear some saying that if Hillary is not the nominee, they would throw their support for Obama. I don’t understand how they could do this. With all the dirt surrounding him. I would never support him. I would take McCain before i vote for this man.

  242. debbie, daily kos and huffing ton post is garbage. you will get troll rated or banned in a milisecond if you mention hillary in a good light.

  243. neetabug, to tell ya the truth im 50/50 on obama/mccain race if there is one. it is that close for me becuase mccain’s politics are so against mine but on the other hand obama toook this run to the gutter against hillary. im bitter and angry as hell at him for that.

  244. i’d write in Hillary. I like this meme going on right now .. she’s a fighter and there is no snese of her to quit. I think Americans love the underdog, she is clealy the underdog and the persistent drumbeat for her to quit should be highlited at the END of every rallye. Given her stump speech on the policies and then start playing Rocky song. I actually did email that to J.C. Love it.

  245. No one who loves the Clinton’s could ever , in good conscience, vote for OB. He has tarnished Bill’s legacy irreparably and has run a campaign against Hillary using race to destroy the strong support she shared in the African American community. Moreover, his campaign manager has said some of the nastiest stuff I have read about Hillary since the mid 90’s. Truly disgusting people.

  246. i like the idea of writing in HRC….although i don’t think of jonnymac in a bad lite..just don’t like his war stance…

  247. I posted this yesterday and think its worth repeating,

    BHO superdelegate Sen.Claire McCaskill recieved from EMILY’s List $518,938 for her election bid in 2006, Sen.Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) $357,400 in 2006

    see full list of Emily’s List recipients here

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/reci…Type=P&Cycle=A

    Not all are superdelegates of BHO, however, one might note that those that recieved some of the largest contributions from Emily’s List have thrown their support behind BHO.

    This is a slap in the face and a violation of trust of the women donors to Emily’s List who are pro women candidates.

    The elected women that have benefited from Emily’s List and are now supporting BHO, should refund their contributions and publicly apologize to Emily’s Lists members.

    http://www.emilyslist.org/

  248. Hillary = Rocky Balboa!! She says.

    I like that analogy!

    ews.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_labor

  249. neetaburg, at my county convention, they tried to make us say we are democrats first. They wanted us to promise to support the eventual nominee. I will never vote for Obama, as someone else has said, he has sullied the Clinton’s and their legacy! I believe at this time I will become RED!

  250. Good Morning–Still morning here in socal.

    Thought I would send this along this morning. Hope you like it.

    Typical White People

    I ordered my “typical white person” t-shirt today. Something I never saw myself doing when I first set out on that road I walked for decades in behalf of civil rights. And my Dad, if he were still living, would find it ironic. The hours I spent confronting him over his use of the ‘n’ word made for some lively discussions around our kitchen table. This Formica oblong on chrome legs sat in a street-facing window in our apartment on Norton Avenue in Lynwood, California, the White person’s Compton. It was there I learned that Vincent Lawrence, an Irish river rat on Manhattan’s lower east side, had been taught to say ‘nigger’ along with his oatmeal. But the truly amazing thing about my Dad’s use of this word, was the way he unlearned it the day the hearse carrying the body of John F. Kennedy rolled across the nation’s TV screens. Not long after this my father stood up for civil rights at great personal sacrifice. And although I had already left home, my Dad became my personal hero.

    I think in order to appreciate the sacrifice involved in my Father’s stand for racial equality, you need to understand that my Father never finished grade school– although he was bright and understood more from reading the daily newspaper than all my professors at Berkeley. But my Dad had worked most of my childhood as a guard at General Motors on the night shift. It was there, after I left home, that he studied by correspondence course to take the California State Real Estate License Exam. After he passed, he worked part time in the office of an acquaintance; and then he did well enough after a couple of years to open his own office. My Mom left the factory she worked in and joined him as an agent. Success greeted their endeavors. They moved to a ‘ritzy’ part of town, bought a house with a shake roof and hung out with a doctor and his wife, and a business tycoon and his wife. As far as the Farley’s were concerned, everything was clover.

    Then California passed a Fair Housing Law–apparently when no one was looking because the new law made it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. The State Real Estate Board revved up into high gear to get the law repealed, and its strategy demanded every California Realtor fill a quota of signatures on the petition to repeal the law. When the person handing out these petition sheets came to my Dad at the weekly breakfast meeting of the all-White Downey Real Estate Board my Dad said, “Keep on walking.” Until then my father had been well liked, had even been elected President of the Downey Board; but from that moment on both my parents suffered severe penalties, not to mention insults, from the other White Realtors. Within six months he was forced out of business in Downey.

    “Do you regret it Dad?” I asked one day not long after they closed their office.

    His face tightened. “You mother does.” I nodded. I was guessing he probably did too. They had paid an astronomic price. “But I don’t,” he said. My Dad’s blue eyes looked electric. “You have to take a stand sometimes. And it can be hard.” His jaw hardened up, the way it did sometimes when he was set on something. “Discrimination in housing is wrong. And it only works if there are ‘safe’ areas. “I promised Jack Kennedy to stand up for civil rights. So that’s what I did.” Then he smiled the purest smile, and it was plain my Dad had no regrets. It was a sweet moment between us and I wondered if he could see the awe and the astonishment I felt for him. Here stood this once prejudiced White guy who had grown up with nothing and who had put his entire livelihood on the line for racial equality.

    I think of my Dad whenever I hear Obama’s ‘typical White person’ statement.

    While my Dad was standing up in Downey, I was standing up elsewhere. In the decade of the 1960’s I marched more times than I can recall in behalf of African Americans. My best friend at Berkeley answered the call to ‘Get On The Bus’ and became a freedom rider in Alabama where she put her body on the line for racial equality. In the ‘bad years’ I even stopped speaking to my Dad over his use of the ‘n’ word. This was about the same time I wore my hair in an Afro to show not only that ‘black is beautiful,’ but could be emulated by a ‘blondie’ like me. In Washington D.C. I listened to Martin Luther King, JR. tell us “I Have A Dream” standing alongside a mixed race audience full of certitude in the righteousness of our struggle. Along the way I slept with a Black guy. And he and I wept together when Mayor Bradley went down to defeat in LA. In 1968 I was one of the few ‘Whiteys’ who traveled freely in Watts during the riots. Later I worked for the Educational Clearinghouse in Compton that helped young black kids who were accepted into White colleges find the support and determination they needed to stay the course rather than drop out. My best friends at USC, where I had a journalism scholarship, were Louis and Sondra, a mixed race couple. And Louis, the black male in the duo, talked my White boyfriend out of the house one night after he erupted in a jealous rage and beat me.

    Of course, the path wasn’t easy. Warren, the boy I wept with over Bradley, would soon call me a “Whitey bitch that would never understand Black men.” Louis hit on me before during and after the incident with my boyfriend. And if we were to run into each other tomorrow he would still ask, “Are you ready for a real man?” His wife and I were best friends, and Lou never saw that as a problem. Anita, a young Black woman in my sociology class, after the boyfriend incident when I turned up with a black eye and bruised face, asked me what happened. When I told her she called me a “stupid honkey.” I think she was halfway joking, but I didn’t laugh. And we weren’t friendly after that.

    The fact of it is, my intimacies with race are of long standing, were sometimes difficult and could be painful. But I never took it out on AA’s, even when I was pitted against them. This occurred in ways I never spoke about because I didn’t know how to fit them into my belief at that time that racism is the biggest sin. And I understood very little about other kinds of prejudice. I knew about them in my gut. But I had no words. Although I did know that Whites are not ‘one class’, and that working class Whites, like my family, are often despised. But I little grasped that there was a war on between working class Whites and Blacks for the opportunity bonanza, not until I collided with it in a vicious experience during college. Shall we take the Black one or the White one? That’s what they asked me at the Washington Post when I was the first person from USC to make it into the finals for their internship program. And I was the White one.

    I attended USC on a full journalism scholarship. It was like football. USC wanted a championship school newspaper. As long as I wrote for the Daily Trojan, I had a free ride. But they didn’t think I stood a chance of getting one of the Washington Post internships. You just watch me, I replied. And it was exciting when I made the finals. Everyone had to eat crow.

    Then came the last interview. Towards the end of it, the tall, fleshy White man in a good suit with great manners and a winning smile, asked if I believed in affirmative action. I gave an Absolute Endorsement. I quoted the figures on racial inequality, I talked about change and I ended with a heartfelt plea that justice be done. And then my nice White guy lowered the boom:

    “What if I told you that I had to chose between you and a Black girl who was in here earlier. Her father went to Harvard, her mother is a teacher and she is attending Stanford. Unlike you, however, she pays her own way. You both write well, probably about the same. But she is the right color. Wouldn’t you agree?” He peered at me the way a trapper might look at an animal caught in on one of his metal traps. And he waited patiently while I twisted and jerked, in pain at my own thoughts. I wanted that internship the way only a 19-year-old who came from nowhere could want it. But suddenly my beliefs and my principles were at war with my own welfare. I knew that economically I deserved it more than the Black woman. But I could not abandon the issue of race. And I didn’t have the fleshed out arguments in support of a White working class kid anyway. Growing up, I had been too busy worrying about the inequality of race, to understand the inequality of class. And I still believed all Whites were better off than all Blacks. In the end I compromised. “I think you should take the best qualified person,” I mumbled.

    He sneered at me. And then he showed me the door. When the Black girl got the internship, I hurt for weeks. Had her chance come at the expense of mine? I felt bad asking myself that. But it wasn’t the last time I did. There were many more such hurts to come. And after a decade of standing beside my Black friends I sat down one day, and I knew that although I had stood up against racism over and over and over again, most of the time they would not stand beside me in my battles. Hadn’t Warren, and Anita already shown me this?

    After that I never walked away or was complicit with racial jokes. I stood for racial equality as staunchly as ever. But I had come to understand that the whole issue was a lot more complicated than I had ever imagined. And Black people could be just as wrong, just as bigoted and just as unwilling to lend a hand as White folks.

    I was also discovering the women’s movement. And some of the women I met were working class. And they had all the arguments I had only glimpsed behind the ‘working class kid makes good’ storyline.

    This diary has not been easy to write. And the fact I am not sure I could vote for Barack Obama represents a huge shift in my life’s values. But I do not forgive insults to me and mine anymore. I take the slurs about Archie Bunker voters in Ohio and about Redneck voters in Pennsylvania to heart. And I will not support a racist no matter what their color. You cannot tell me that all white people are racists and expect my vote. Hillary Clinton understands that.

  251. jbstonesfan, Hillary’s lead is not 5 points in PA. Every other poll, including a SUSA one done at the same time, has her up in the low double digits. Her lead had shrunk a bit, undoubtedly, but the Ras poll depressed her numbers even more by asking the Bosnia question. Bosnia hurt her, I agree, but the timing would’ve been worse if it happened right before April 22.

    Obama’s also run a trillion ads here in PA; I live here and have seen them ad nauseum. That has an impact. I finally heard some HRC ads on the radio and have seen a TV one, too. Glad she’s finally on air here.

  252. Those of you who have Yahoo accounts, please reccommend the ‘Hillary says she is a Fighter’ article 5 starts. The Obamabots are trying to sink it. We need this to get 3.5 stars or higher to keep it in top viewed status.

    Please reccommend, also the Nancy Pelose says SD can vote their conscience.

  253. Hey guys…just wanted to stick my head in here and let everyone know that I’m not dead or anything.

    Accute bronchitis. 🙁

    And, as if THAT weren’t bad enough, my mother in law called the other day to inform us that she’ll be arriving this friday and staying until whenever the hell she decides to leave, so I’m trying to clean and get ready for her between breathing treatments.

    Life is full of suckitude, right now. 😡

  254. kaffeen, Are you registered at HillBilly’s site? I wanted to ask you something in the private area there. Just a question I don;t want Obama lurkers to see, lol.

  255. Thanks…I still can’t believe how ineffective our money campaigns have been compared to BO. Prez Clinton has come down here over 6 times to raise b/t 125-300k at these private events. How the hell we so miscalculated is unforgivable. Hillary went with her heart and not her head with Doyle-Solis.

  256. I think our campaigns have been very effective. BO has the media on its side. So really, when you think about, she has done fantastic.

  257. dedfg Says:

    April 1st, 2008 at 1:03 pm
    I think our campaigns have been very effective. BO has the media on its side. So really, when you think about, she has done fantastic.

    I AGREE

  258. I just called Mayor Nutter’s office and they were very appreciative of the call.

    If anybody wants to show them some love-

    215-686-2181
    guilda | 04.01.2008 – 12:39 pm | #
    **************************
    Please call Mayor Nutter’s office and show him some love. Thank him for his support.

  259. as for fundraising and strategy…we all have hindsight. everyone can analyze what went right or wrong after the fact. thats the nature of campaigns. but I’d like to note that Hillary’s campaign has made the necessary adjustments to earlier miscalculations. this campaign isn’t over……………..and neither is Hillary and neither are we.

    HILLARY IS 44

  260. El Evil Rusbo is commenting that Hillary is only separated from BO by 700k in popular votes. He noted that 600k of that vote comes from Obama’s state Il and out of that 600k, 400k is from Cook County.

    He said that that county is use to fixing races and the Clinton’s can’t mention it but they are aware and that is one of the reasons why they are staying in.

  261. was listening to El Rushbo too – and Operation Chaos in full swing – very interesting about Cook County – why is it that we’re getting our Dem race insights from El Rushbo. Unbelievable.

    I have decided Nancy Pelosi is spineless – too ready to fold up the race so quickly, too worried about the Democratic party’s future, boohoo, too ready to endorse someone as spineless as she is, namely BO…no wonder why we’ve had no leadership against Bush. Pelosi – now there’s someone I would never vote for as President.

  262. Did anyone see Hill’s april’s fools day joke on BO? Someone said it was on MSNBC. She challenged him to a bowling match! Hehehehe

  263. For those worried about the Gallup tracking poll that Hill down- apparently not anymore:
    O 49
    HRC 45

  264. Ya gotta love Ed Koch, he speaks his mind.

    April 01, 2008
    There’s No Excusing Obama on Wright
    By Ed Koch

    I am dumbfounded that there has been no drop in Barack Obama’s standing in the polls following revelations that he sat in Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years and did nothing, publicly or privately, to voice disagreement with Wright’s hate speech. Indeed, Obama’s poll numbers are going up. The most recent Gallup national tracking poll shows Obama with 51 percent and Hillary with 43 percent of Democratic voters.

    One reason for the up tick in Obama’s popularity may be that Hillary Clinton has had to explain her out-and-out falsehood of having been under sniper fire years ago in Bosnia. Her account of landing in Bosnia amidst sniper fire was totally demolished by a video clip taken at the time and now flashed all over tv showing her strolling across the tarmac with Chelsea to receive flowers and kisses from a waiting child.

    Are the actions of our two United States Senators, both candidates for the Presidency, to be condemned equally? I don’t think so. Hillary’s failure, as gross as it may be, is related to self promotion. Barack’s failure, in my judgment, is an out-and-out failure of moral strength, as he was unwilling to stand up to his bigoted minister, Wright, for 20 years while Wright denounced from the pulpit whites, Jews and the State of Israel.

    We learned recently that Wright’s defamatory comments published in church bulletins were, on occasion, also directed at Italians. ABC News reported on March 27th, “Trumpet Newsmagazine, of which Wright is the chief executive officer, published an article written by Wright in which he described the crucifixion of Jesus as ‘public lynching Italian style.'” He also wrote, according to CNSNews.com, “The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans.” Finally, CNN reported on March 28th that, “They [church bulletins] also quote a historian who said that ‘what the Zionist Jews did to the Palestinians is worse than what the Nazis did to the Jews.'”

    Let me report on the mail I received after my commentary of last week criticizing Senator Obama and Rev. Wright. Some of that correspondence defended Wright’s attacks on the U.S., whites and Jews and Obama. Here are some excerpts from three readers of my commentary:

    1. “I have read your recent message re: Sen. Obama’s speech and I find your attacks totally unconvincing. The fact that you disregard the Reverend’s positive contributions to his community and the positive aspects of the relationship between the Reverend and the Senator demonstrates either ignorance or bad faith, either of which is unbecoming of a man of your influence.”

    2. “I disagree with all that [Wright’s charges against America] and ALL his hate speech. But I have no problem concluding that it does not represent Obama and that Obama should not be deemed unworthy of being president because he embraced the good in Wright and did not walk away when he heard the bad.”

    3. “I thought Sen. Obama’s race speech was one of the most inspiring, hopeful, uplifting speeches I have ever heard in modern politics. You and I have been in politics long enough to know that guilt by association is a great way to create doubts about a candidate, but I have no doubt Sen. Obama has the best chance of getting us beyond stereotypes.”

    These readers seek to excuse Barack Obama’s conduct, but I remain unconvinced. Obama told us in his brilliant and moving speech on March 18th that “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother,” who engaged, he said, in racial stereotyping.

    But now, on television talk programs, he tells us a somewhat different story. According to The New York Times of March 29th, “Mr. Obama, who has run the gamut of news shows in recent weeks to defuse the ado over his relationship with Mr. Wright, had no trouble finding longwinded words to demarcate his allegiance to his longtime pastor. ‘Had the Reverend not retired and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws,’ he said, ‘then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying there at the church.'”

    Did something happen since his speech of March 18th when he, in effect, offered excuses for his pastor’s hate speech and his own reaction? I think not. Rather, I think he decided his prior silence was unacceptable. So now he tells us that but for his pastor’s retirement and “acknowledge[ment] that what he had said deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized,” he would have left the church.

    May I suggest Obama’s sudden expressed desire to separate himself from his pastor came only after the media storm that followed the public outcry voiced at his pastor’s remarks, particularly his having said, “No, no, not God Bless America. God damn America.” If Obama becomes the Democratic nominee for president, he will be subject to withering attacks by the Republicans on this issue.

    Does Obama’s belated recognition of his minister’s bigotry satisfy me? No, it does not. Indeed, I am surprised that Obama’s description of his minister’s hate speech, which he condemns, is limited to the words, “controversial,” “inexcusable,” “inappropriate, “troubling” and “appalling.” Why hasn’t he called it by its rightful name – hate speech?

    I think what Hillary did in exaggerating the danger to her in Bosnia and seeking to convey a bravery that she did not exhibit in landing there years ago is to be condemned and not passed over as she and many of her supporters do, by saying that she “misspoke.” Nevertheless, Obama’s explanation of why he was silent until now and the manner in which he characterizes Wright’s remarks are worse. Interestingly, he also refers to an apology by Rev. Wright, which I’ve not seen published anywhere. Have you?

    And, more importantly, why did it take him 20 years to come to this conclusion?

    Ed Koch is the former Mayor of New York City.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/theres_no_excusing_obama_on_wr.html

  265. I got a bumper sticker that says TYPICAL WHITE PERSON FOR HILLARY. My husband said please dont put it on my car, it seems racist and I’ll get my ass kicked. lol, I kinda agree to anyone that does not know about his comment.

  266. Ininla,

    Pelosi is spineless. I’m really disappointed in her. I was very excited about her potential a long time ago. Now I know she is not the one to make things happen. I saw Howard Dean on MSNBC. He says he hopes that all supers will cast their vote now (or at least prior to June). I’m not sure why Pelosi doesn’t just go ahead and say she is for Obambi. Oh yeah, she is spineless. 😉

  267. Hillary Clinton wins over Richard Scaife. Now that’s what I call a unifier and its evidence the tide is turning:

    From NPR

    Former Foe of Clinton Turns His Sights on Obama
    Apparently Sen. Hillary Clinton has a new fan — her longtime foe Richard Mellon Scaife. The billionaire who was alleged to have funded many of the attacks on her husband during his presidency (think “vast right-wing conspiracy”) says he admires the courage she showed recently when she ventured to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review and answered questions from reporters. (It’s a paper owned by Scaife — he was in the room when she did the interview.) It was at the Tribune-Review session that Clinton made her first attack on Barack Obama’s relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    Perhaps she inspired Scaife. The Tribune-Review — the same paper that ran so many articles in the 90s on how the Clinton were involved in the death of White House counsel Vince Foster — is now running pieces that suggest, as Matt Yglesias at theAtlantic.com phrases it, “about how crazy black man Barack Obama and his crazy black church pastor are personally responsible for high rates of crime in the African-American community.”

    Ralph R. Reiland, described by the Tribune-Review as “an associate professor of economics at Robert Morris University and a local restaurateur,” wrote an opinion piece about the high levels of black on black crime and how blacks commit more crimes than whites, etc. And he’s just figured out why.

    “Until I heard the racist and anti-American tirades of Barack Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, it hadn’t occurred to me that the murderous fires in the black community were being stoked from the pulpits inside black churches. I wonder if it’s ever occurred to Obama and Wright that it probably doesn’t help young people in the black community when they’re told that their country hates them, that the U.S. government gave them drugs and AIDS, and that jail and genocide are the officially-sanctioned plan for them.”

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/04/former_foe_of_clinton_turns_hi.html

  268. winhillary,
    People put all sorts of stuff on their cars. Not sure why anyone would care enough to hurt your husband. But they are whackos out there that you do have to be aware of.

  269. Do people know about this? posted at TM and here..

    El Evil Rusbo is commenting that Hillary is only separated from BO by 700k in popular votes. He noted that 600k of that vote comes from Obama’s state Il and out of that 600k, 400k is from Cook County.

    He said that that county is use to fixing races and the Clinton’s can’t mention it but they are aware and that is one of the reasons why they are staying in.
    tiburones | 04.01.2008 – 1:10 pm | #
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    It is important to publicize this..

    a related post from a google search:

    The Power of Cook County, Illinois

    In the race for the most popular votes in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary contests, Sen. Barack Obama’s lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton is about 711,000 votes — not including Florida or Michigan — according to Real Clear Politics.

    Of Sen. Obama’s 711,000 popular-vote lead, 650,000 — or more than 90% of the total margin — comes from Sen. Obama’s home state of Illinois, with 429,000 of that lead coming from his home base of Cook County.

    That margin in Cook County represents almost 60% of Obama’s total lead nationwide.

    Interestingly, Sen. Obama’s 429,000-vote margin in Cook County alone is larger than the winning margin of either candidate in any state.

    Chicago Dems still know how to support their candidates better than anyone else in the country…
    PM | 04.01.2008 – 1:20 pm | #

  270. Ok, I’m cross posting alot of stuff from http://www.taylormarsh and ww.hillaryis44.com. I figure we’re all working for the same objective.

    Please email and/or call Mayor Nutter and give him some support. See Email above and included here.
    *******************
    Mayor Nutter

    helpme@phila.gov

    They got my email and send a thank you, they forward it to his office.
    boohall | 04.01.2008 – 1:17 pm | #

  271. It was at the Tribune-Review session that Clinton made her first attack on Barack Obama’s relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    NPR calls her answer to a question “an attack?” She didn’t attack. She merely stated the obvious: She wouldn’t have left that Church.

  272. Thanks guys.

    Again, sorry I’ve been so scarce. I’ll try to at least peek in a few times a day once I get caught up on stuff around here. HOPEFULLY within the next few days.

    Hold down the fort and work your little fingers off for HRC. 🙂

  273. Nutter’s phone

    215-686-1776

    When they answer, ask for the mayor’s office and they’ll forward you to a woman who’s happy to hear good things.
    Excursion | 04.01.2008 – 1:18 pm | #

  274. BTW, El Rushbo just played the entire Clinton April Fool’s gaffe. I got the feeling that it played well for him

    He played all of it which some werent’ covered by The Page. She says, I’ll even spot him 2 frames and winner takes all, all the way up to 10 frames, we will bowl for delegates…

    I think that she got her point across where the average Joe/Jane can relate. He is a quitter, he is a wimp and he can’t bowl and a girl is calling him out on it.
    BTW, her voice was very serious like she was giving a policy speech. You could hear the press laughing.

  275. tiburones Says:
    April 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    BTW, El Rushbo just played the entire Clinton April Fool’s gaffe. I got the feeling that it played well for him

    He played all of it which some werent’ covered by The Page. She says, I’ll even spot him 2 frames and winner takes all, all the way up to 10 frames, we will bowl for delegates…
    —————

    Important to note.. he stopped after 7 frames. Why? 🙂

  276. just called mayor nutter’s office – keep calling guys – the nice man who answered said he was getting a few calls from Southern California, and that was great. Also, gave me an address to send any cards or letter which I will email to a few of you to send around to Hillary supporters only.

  277. Pelosi must have seen the writing on the wall.
    Hillary is going to win the popular vote and come close to the pledge delegate lead when this is all done with or the DNC donors are really going to stop donating just like they threaten to do.

  278. For those who say “how can you vote for McCain” or I will write in Hillary or vote for Nader, I offer this up: I am voting for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee for one reason and one reason only: I do not want Barack Obama to be president. It is not just about supporting one Democrat over the other, it is about our country and its well being. It is a frightening thought to picture him as President. He would be as bad, if not worse, than GWB – as difficult as that might be I’m sure he will be able to accomplish it. To those who say “but what about the Supreme Court – what have my 40 years of voting a straight Democratic ticket gotten me in that astute body?

    There is nothing to suggest in Barack Obama’s past personal or professional life that he has any concern about the PEOPLE of the United States, the well being of our troops in Iraq or elsewhere, the viability of our nation in the world economy or as a world power. I doubt he and David Axelrod have thought about it. Take a look at Gov.l Patrick in Massachusetts and see how Axelrod’s last candidate is faring. It is writ small of what our nation has to look forward to with Obama.

  279. Good afternoon, Hillfans.

    grandmother, it is not only BO that cannot be allowed to enter the White House, it’s the gang that has been plotting and planning to takeover the Dem Party that have to be denied access, as well. It’s a package deal. BO’s just the front man.

  280. Lninla I’d like the address too. I think I know your email or you can pm me at hillbilly’s site.

  281. Tiny Dancer – yes, email me if you have it. My email has these letters/numbers in it: b y 8 g

    Also, Tiny – I wanted to get ahold of you anyway because there are two Clinton staffers who just wrapped the delegate convention in TX and are headed over to WA to do the same.

    I’m sure they’re looking for volunteers, and I think you said that you’re a delegate, but if you have friends that can help them, I’m happy to get you in touch.

  282. 100% correct !!! It’s time to stop automatically voting democrat. I look at people like Pelosi, Leahy, Dodd, Richardson, McCaskil (sic) Kennedy, Kerry, Reid and others, whom I thought I knew and trusted…and look what these rats have done to Hillary!!!! Screw them!!! McCain is an honorable, albeit a bit reckless, man. He will move towards the center as the dems will still control both houses and he will be limited. BO is a clear and present danger to the security of this country.

  283. Kaffeen, are you on the philly newspaper discussion board? I’m having trouble with this POS computer. I keep crashing. Someone should put that google find about cook county up there.

  284. B Merryfield – you are right about that. I left out the minions who are following behind in his trail. He is their puppet and they have set him up at the leader who can destroy the Democratic Party as we know it today. They are angry at the Clintons for their audacity to challenge their candidate. The Kennedys don’t want to see someone, namely a Clinton, usurp their legacy as the torchbearers of the Democratic Party. And as someone else has mentioned, no one was calling for Teddy to drop out in 1980 when there was no way for him to win. Someone needs to remind him of that. Just might do that this afternoon.

  285. Hey, ya’ll. Just in for a minute. Go over to http://www.youtube.com and click on any featured video. Damn funny for anyone that knows about Anonymous, Fourchan, etc..

    BTW- I have switched my allegiance to Gravel.

    Happy April Fools!

  286. A personal favorite photo essay: wonkette.com/363711/a-childrens-treasury-of-barack-obama-playing-with-tractors

  287. If anyone is on the philly newspaper discussion board and can post that google cook county find, i think it would be a good idea.

  288. Brace yourselves all for the next turbulence- got as message via email that:
    (CNN) — A key Hillary Clinton supporter appeared to be a bit off message during a recent interview with a Canadian radio station.

    “If I had to make a prediction right now, I’d say Barack Obama is going to be the next president,” Missouri Rep. Emanuel Cleaver said in a Canadian public radio interview this weekend. “I will be stunned if he’s not the next president of the United States.”

    Cleaver, an African-American, endorsed Clinton’s White House bid last year and formally remained aligned with the New York senator even as other black leaders shifted their support to Barack Obama.

    But after his district voted for Obama in the February 5 primary, Cleaver did indicate he would consider voting for the Illinois senator at the party’s convention if the delegate count was extremely tight between the two candidates.

    In the Canadian radio interview, Cleaver made clear he doesn’t expect Clinton to overtake Obama, comparing his support of the New York Democrat to that of his hometown losing football team.

    “Even though I don’t expect the Kansas City Chiefs to beat the Indianapolis Colts, I cheer for the Kansas City Chiefs,” he said.

    He also pushed back on the notion Clinton should take her fight for the party’s nomination all the way to the August convention — though he acknowledged that is not the position he is supposed to take.

    “If I do the party line, I’m supposed to say — and maybe I’ll say, just so if anybody hears it they can say well, ‘Cleaver did the party line before he told the truth’ — we believe that a contest going all the way to the convention is good for America.”

  289. Just heard on the news that Ms. Pelosi has suddenly changed her tune as it relates to the superdelagates…She has said this morning that they may vote their conscience…and get this…that the race should continue!!!!
    Do you think she has actually began to listen to the people????
    montana | 04.01.2008 – 12:16 pm | #
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    “We should never despair when wisdom comes late because too often it never comes at all.” –Justice Frankfurter. Comment: if that is true then in pelosi’s case wisdom with respect to the superdelegate issue has come late, whereas in Brazille’s case I am skeptical that it will ever come at all.

  290. I’m not worried about Cleaver’s comments. As an AA supporter of Hillary’s, he’s in a very tough position.

  291. Linfair

    I understand where you are coming from. You are so right. There are a lot of AA that are racists. The news media knows this. It is only when a white person says something it is a racist remark. I know this for a fact, I had to tell some AA they are just as racists as some whites. It goes both ways. I am an AA, i will not be voting for O because of his race. I will be casting my vote for the most qualified candidate. That is Hillary Rodham Clinton. I owe Barak Obama NOTHING.

  292. Hillary issues challenge to Obama

    Hillary Clinton Challenges Obama To Bowl Off
    The Huffington Post | April 1, 2008 12:18 PM

    Hillary Clinton opened up her press conference in Philadelphia today with a bold new challenge to Barack Obama (it was met by “guffaws all around from the press corps”):

    “This has been a very hard fought race. We need to do something so that our party and our people can make the right decision. So I have a proposal: today I am challenging Senator Obama to a bowl off. A bowling night right here in Pennsylvania. Winner take all. I’ll even spot him two frames.
    “It’s time for his campaign to get out of the gutter and allow all of the pins to be counted. And I’m prepared to play this game all the way to the tenth frame. and when this game is over the American people will know when that phone rings at 3am they’ll have a president who’s ready to bown on day one. So let’s strike a deal and go bowling for delegates. We don’t have a moment to spare.

    “Because it’s already April Fool’s Day. So happy April Fool’s Day everyone.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/01/hillary-clinton-challenge_n_94483.html

  293. Maybe we should ask Nancy Pelosi how she felt, after one of the most historical events in America where she became the first woman Speaker of the House, that BHO’s wife wasn’t even proud of America then?

  294. Isn’t it nice Pelosi and Obama have given their permission for the race to continue. I didn’t think any two people could be more gracious.

  295. Someone complained about Pelosi earlier. I saw this at The Note and am not so worried:

    So the calls continue for Clinton to make way for Obama, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi isn’t joining them — despite her endorsement of the nomination going to the delegate leader.

    An intriguing comment from Pelosi, D-Calif., on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Tuesday makes a version of the Clinton argument for staying in the race: “I would not assume that Sen. Clinton would not be going to the convention as the frontrunner. We don’t know what these next elections will do. We will do not know what the conduct of the campaigns, the next four to six weeks, will produce,” Pelosi said.

    Is the speaker saying that conduct matters too — that Clinton would be justified in waiting around for an Obama mistake? Maybe not. . . . She added: “But I do think that as it evolves, one of them, one of them is going to have to realize that the numbers” will seal the nomination. (And who might that be?)

    Pelosi has this in common with the vast majority of uncommitted superdelegates: She’s not crazy about talk of the fight going to Denver: “I do think that it is important for us to get behind one candidate a long time before we go to the Democratic National Convention if we expect to win in November.”

  296. I don’t think this is going to the convention. Hillary’s saying that to make it clear she’s serious about MI and FL not being disenfranchised.

  297. Do you think pelosi knows anything about the majority of sds predictions? I doubt it but I tell you what I would not be suprised if supers called her on it to shut the hell up or else!

  298. Holy shit, The SUSA Indiana poll is out, its Clinton 52, Obama 43

    Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  299. Someone just emailed me todd beeton’s email about the purge of hillary posters at mydd:

    “With all the flame wars and Democrat on Democrat
    > > attacks, yes, we’ve
    > > gotten harder on diarists who attack, accuse, etc.
    > > If you’d like to
    > > send me some of the usernames of the folks you think
    > > were unfairly
    > > banned I’ll take a look.
    > >
    > > You know what crap some Hillary supporters are
    > > writing about Barack
    > > on this site? It’s disgusting and has no place on a
    > > Democratic blog,
    > > know what I mean?
    > >
    > > Thanks.

  300. So the storyline that we should not be vetting Obama is now permeating the blogosphere. The last diary I wrote on that site before I was banned was “Typical White People” and there was NOTHING againt Obama in it,n other than to say that I have fought racism all my life and I will not stop.

  301. What is so terrible about going to the convention?

    What the hell has happened to this county?

    We have two nominees in a neck and neck battle for the nomination. What could be more exciting anhd wonderful. I agree with the Big dog on this.

    Let’s have a real convention instead of a showcase. The voters would love it.

    Yes, ok, it can be dicey. but why not. Arfe we a democracy or are we some dictatorship like china that wants to have nothing but showcase extraavaganzas for the masses?

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