The People Powered Hillary Clinton Campaign

The people are with Hillary Clinton. America is still the land of the free and the home of the brave.

In rally after rally in Indiana and North Carolina last week, voters booed and jeered when she mentioned that some Democratic leaders and unfriendly pundits believe she should leave the race.

“There are some people who are saying, you know, we really ought to end this primary, we just ought to shut it down,” Mrs. Clinton told a few thousand people who had gathered in Mishawaka, where a giant “Hoosiers for Hillary” sign served as a backdrop.

“No!” boomed the crowd.

If hopes are diminishing among some supporters of Mrs. Clinton — privately, many concede they do not see a clear mathematical path to winning the nomination — that word has yet to reach the voters here who filled gymnasium after gymnasium on her two-day trip through Indiana. The mood of the rallies and town meetings was far from the grim picture portrayed in the endless whirl of political chatter on cable television.

The people, of distressed communities in particular, want a fighter. They need a fighter.

I know a little bit about comebacks,” Mrs. Clinton said with a knowing grin. “I know what it’s like to be counted down and counted out. But I also know there is nothing that will keep us down if we are determined to keep on.”

So the senator sought to steer the conversation back to the economy and away from prognostications about her candidacy, which was welcome news to voters, many of whom said they were furious at suggestions that Mrs. Clinton should bow out.

Roberta Weaver drove 90 miles to Fort Wayne from Kokomo and waited outside in 40-degree weather for nearly five hours to catch a glimpse of Mrs. Clinton as she walked into a diner for a discussion about the economy. When Ms. Weaver heard a reporter asking a few folks in the crowd about the outlook for the senator’s candidacy, she jumped in with a scolding.

No way, no way should she get out of the race,” said Ms. Weaver, a 70-year-old retired nurse. “I think people are deceiving themselves if they think that she can’t win this. She’s stronger and her support is much stronger than what many people think.”

In Nevada Hillary won by going straight to the people, not the Culinary Workers Union whose membership voted for Hillary even though the union supported the unsupportable. In Massachusettes Hillary won by going straight to the people, not Kerry, Kennedy or Governor Patrick. Hillary is people powered. Obama is full of hot air.

While Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and her family have been in Indiana so often they practically qualify as residents, Hoosiers’ best chance so far to see her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, is to turn on their TVs.

Obama, who was the first of the two Democratic presidential contenders to campaign in Indiana, has become the first to begin airing TV ads. His first ad, a 30-second spot focusing on jobs, began running on TV stations statewide this morning.

The ad comes on the first of a two-day campaign swing by Clinton that will take her to Mishawaka, Hammond, Fort Wayne and Muncie today, and Indianapolis and New Albany on Saturday.

By the end of the day Saturday, she, her husband, former President Bill Clinton, and their daughter, Chelsea, will have made a total of 22 campaign stops in 17 Indiana cities. In all, one or more members of the Clinton family will have been in Indiana on seven of 12 days.

Obama? He’s been here once, for a town hall meeting in Plainfield on March 15.

His campaign, though, says he’ll be back often.

Let’s not forget how Hillary won Ohio and Texas – people power. Obama, hot air ads.

Joe Hogsett, the former secretary of state who is heading Clinton’s Indiana campaign, said Clinton’s focus on Indiana shows “that Senator Clinton is going to work very hard in every corner of the state and compete for every Hoosier voter’s support.”

He said that in Ohio, Clinton was outspent 2-to-1 on TV ads by Obama, and by even larger margins in Texas. But Clinton, he noted, won the primaries in both states.

Hot air Obama cannot beat people powered Hillary Clinton. . Obama’s flim flam tricks won’t fool the people of Pennsylvania.

From the blue-collar hamlets of Allegheny County to the faded steel community of Johnstown, some of Obama’s thinnest support is in this region that gave birth to the term “Reagan Democrat” — white, working-class union voters who, in this fierce race for the Democratic presidential nomination, have favored Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in far greater numbers.

So Obama, unknown on the national stage until four years ago, aimed to identify. For the past two days, he’s wrapped himself in the sort of imagery that evokes familiarity with western Pennsylvania voters.

The people of Pennsylvania, post-Wright, see through the flim flam man. These hard working people are not fooled by Obama’s clumsy con man tricks. Read how clumsy Obama is when he is out of the arugula section of the Whole Foods emporium:

With a football tucked under his arm and a “Terrible Towel” in his hand, Obama posed with former Pittsburgh Steelers players Jerome Bettis and Franco Harris at the outset of his tour. He visited with hard-hatted workers at a steel mill and with patrons of a bowling alley. And he stopped by a sports bar Friday night to catch a bit of the NCAA basketball tournament. He sipped a Yuengling beer, but his local knowledge fell short when he confessed he didn’t know much about the regional brew widely consumed in Pennsylvania.

“You know I got a beer down there,” Obama said to a male patron. “What do they call it? A Yuengling?”

“Yuengling,” the man confirmed. “Like you didn’t know.”

“Trying a Pennsylvania beer, that’s what I’m talking about,” said Obama, his sleeves rolled up, smiling. “Is it expensive, though? … Wanna make sure it’s not some designer beer or something.”

The people of Pennsylvania are not drinking the Obama kool-ade. They are drinking a Yuengling. Obama’s “designer beer” comment is so repulsive because it demonstrates how the flim flam man is trying to charm people who are not taken in by his “pose”. Repulsive.

The repulsive Washington Post is recognizing, finally, people power.

We don’t see why the process should be short-circuited when millions of votes are yet to be cast and two qualified candidates believe themselves to be the best potential Democratic nominee. [snip]

And this contest is far from over. [snip]

One proffered justification for ending the campaign now, in fact, is the assumption that we know pretty much how everything will turn out. Ms. Clinton will win Pennsylvania, Mr. Obama will carry North Carolina and so on. But throughout this campaign, just about everything we’ve “known” has been wrong: Mr. McCain was finished, Ms. Clinton was inevitable, Mr. Obama had New Hampshire locked up. No doubt the Democrats have gotten themselves into a fix with rules that may leave the final decision to unelected superdelegates — but why is the answer to that less democracy? Why not give as many voters as possible a chance?

Maybe some day the Washington Post will come to the defense of Michigan and Florida voters and their right to be heard and to VOTE – or rather have their votes counted.

Hillary Clinton’s people power is mighty in Kentucky too:

U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton brought her Democratic presidential campaign to Kentucky and Southern Indiana yesterday, telling cheering crowds that she knows how to turn the economy around and offering proposals to tackle housing, health care and energy problems. [snip]

“We have too many people who are facing insurmountable costs — gas, utilities, health care, mortgage, you name it,” Clinton said in New Albany. “That’s going to continue to compound our economic challenges. So we have to address these problems. You can’t ignore them.” [snip]

Obama has made only one campaign trip to Indiana and none to Kentucky this year. But his campaign opened a headquarters in Louisville yesterday and is running a commercial in Indiana.

“Fight” we all say.

Clinton supporters said yesterday that they were thrilled she has stayed in the race, despite Obama’s lead in delegates, so that their votes count despite Indiana’s and Kentucky’s late primaries.

I want to tell her to stick it out to the end,” said Justin Westmoreland of Scottsburg, Ind., who begged the owner of the South Side Inn, one of his relatives, for the chance to attend yesterday’s event. “It’s a really close race.”

At the Manual rally, a hoarse Clinton looked at the crowd of about 2,500 and told them she was glad that she came.

Hillary is people powered because she speaks to the issues:

In her speech, she touched on issues ranging from education to the economy to international affairs.

She called for a new GI Bill to help the soldiers she would bring home from Iraq.

And she called for using money that has gone for tax breaks to oil companies to fund research into alternative energy.

“If you deliver for me, you will be able to count on me to deliver for you,” she told the crowd.

Clinton spoke without notes for 38 minutes and got some of her biggest applause when she promised to help students — many of them arrayed behind her — afford college tuition.

She promised to increase Pell Grants, put more money into need-based aid and resume offering low-interest government loans for students. She noted that she paid just 2 percent interest on her college loan, while some students today pay more than 20 percent.

“I didn’t feel like an indentured servant like a lot of kids do today,” she said.

She also called for a change in the way the federal government builds and maintains infrastructure such as roads, bridges and water and sewage treatment plants.

In recent years, the federal government has scaled back its role in construction and maintenance, relying more on state and local governments to find creative ways to finance such projects.

Kentucky, for example, is considering the possibility of using tolls to build two new Ohio River bridges at Louisville.

“I do not believe the answer to our problems is to sell off our public roads and our public bridges,” she said.

During her speech, she took a jab at Obama, who critics say is an accomplished speaker but has failed to provide policy specifics.

“This election isn’t about the speeches we give, it’s about the solutions we offer,” Clinton said.

But she saved her harshest criticism for President Bush, saying it’s time to move away from “government of the few, by the few, for the few.”

At the round-table discussion in New Albany — where the television lights and sound system tripped the restaurant’s electrical breakers several times — Clinton did as much listening as talking. A group of five Southern Indiana residents had been invited to be part of a panel to tell her their concerns about the economy. [snip]

Clinton told the crowd that unnecessarily high energy prices, poor lending practices, high-interest credit cards and greedy insurance companies have all contributed to the nation’s lagging economy.

She outlined proposals to give health insurance to all Americans while limiting premiums to rates that are based on household income. Under her plan, Clinton said, people would pay less and get more coverage.

“It’s morally wrong that people are without any insurance — working people — and I think it is economically nonsensical,” she said.

She said officials in Washington need to “get serious” about solving the nation’s problems.

“We can sit around and wring our hands or we can start solving our problems,” she said.

“I think it’s a lot better if we start solving our problems.”

Oregon. Oregon is Hillary Clinton people powered too.

Hillary Clinton isn’t going anywhere.

In a telephone interview Thursday from North Carolina, she said firmly: “There’s still a lot of votes to be counted and voices to be heard before we know who will have the nomination,” that the continuing campaign is strengthening, not weakening, Democratic chances in November, and that “I would certainly welcome” a debate with Barack Obama in Oregon before the state’s May 20 primary.

And she sounds as if nothing’s going to stop her and the Democratic presidential race — after going through Pennsylvania next month and then Indiana and North Carolina — from getting here.

“Part of what you have to do in campaigning for the toughest job in the world is show resilience and keep going,” Clinton said, “and that’s what I’ve done.”

Hillary not only talks about the rights of voters, Hillary is fighting for the rights of voters NOW (in all 10 states yet to vote and in Michigan and Florida).

“From my experience, voters are enjoying this. There’s a lot of excitement,” she says. “I haven’t yet gotten to Oregon, but I’m looking forward to getting there. Everywhere I’ve gone . . . the level of enthusiasm is very high, because this is going to matter and people are going to have their say.”

She cites a recent poll that found “22 percent said Barack should drop out, and 22 percent said I should drop out, and 62 percent said, ‘Let this go on.’ ” [snip]

“I also think that it’s imperative that we figure out how to we’re going to make sure that we don’t disenfranchise Michigan and Florida. I was strongly in favor of letting Michigan re-vote, the Democratic National Committee was as well, and Senator Obama’s campaign was opposed to that.”

Now Michigan and Florida, two states fairly vital to Democratic chances against McCain, are hanging on the edge of irrelevance, or maybe invisibility, at the Democratic convention. This is likely to have a considerably more negative effect on Democratic chances in November than anything Clinton or Obama say about each in April.

Hillary Clinton is a fighter and Americans like fighters. Big Media be damned.

“Obviously, the media counted me out after Iowa, and the voters in New Hampshire said, ‘Not so fast,’ ” Clinton says. “Then I was counted out before Super Tuesday, and the voters said, ‘Wait a minute, that’s not how we feel.’ Just recently, Ohio and Texas were watershed elections, and I won both of those. I really feel there’s a disconnect sometimes between the way our elections are reported and the way voters feel about them.”

So she drives on. If it seems that being the first major woman candidate for president has brought some more difficulties, and some easier derision, than 21st-century observers might have anticipated, Clinton is more into resilience than reflection.

“I’m sure I’ll have time to reflect on that at some point,” she says to the question. “. . . But I do often think about that wonderful saying that Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, but she did it backwards and in high heels . . .

“I have found this campaign personally very rewarding. I often refer to my mother, who was born before women could vote, who lived with us, and just the whole concept of my being one of the two people who could be the Democratic nominee for president is extraordinary.”

Just now, however, she’s not about to shut things down and settle for that.

Not yet.

Not now.

People Power – the renewable energy source.

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588 thoughts on “The People Powered Hillary Clinton Campaign

  1. I just read about a “fifth stump in the water” (if you haven’t read that column yet, it is great) for Stinky.

    What are Stinky’s ties to FARC? Why did Bill Richardson make a hasty, unsheduled trip to Columbia last week?

  2. ADMIN,

    sometimes i am down about this campaign, but i never give up,
    cause i know one thing
    HILLARY IS FASTER, SMARTER, TOUGHER AND STRONGER, than obama.

    and people who love her, ARE TOO…
    obama kids have nothing on us. we will wait em out, we will be clever, wise, persistent, and sly, but more important, we wont take no for an answer, we will never give up…

  3. Obama’s attempt to narrow the democratic field by getting other candidates to quit has succeeded. Mike Gravel has quit the race, and the Democratic Party.

    As for Hillary Clinton- she’s going to press on with the people behind her! GO HILLARY!

    great post admin. Lets keep up the hard work of letting the people know whats going on by phone banking, calling, investigating, reporting and blogging.
    Obama? he’s running out of hot air- like a sad ballloon after the party is over.

  4. not breaking but fun…
    ———————————————————–
    associated press:

    WASHINGTON – Call her a Honky Tonk Woman: Hillary Rodham Clinton is a big fan of the Rolling Stones.

    Speaking to reporters aboard her campaign plane Sunday morning, the Democratic presidential contender said she was eager to see “Shine a Light,” the new documentary about the legendary rock band that was directed by Martin Scorsese and opens Friday.

    Clinton said she attended her first Stones show as a high school senior in 1965, and has seen them a few times since then.

    She praised Mick Jagger, the band’s 64-year-old lead singer, and said she admires his work ethic.

    “If you go to a Stones concert today and I have been, it’s just amazing,” Clinton said. “He has this incredible presence. He is very disciplined, he works out, and he’s incredibly devoted to what he does.”

    The film, chronicling a Stones performance at the New York’s Beacon Theatre in fall 2006, even features a clip of guitarist Keith Richards meeting Clinton’s 88-year-old-mother, Dorothy Rodham.

    The Clinton Foundation, the former president’s philanthropic effort, held a fundraiser during one of the concerts.

    Clinton said her mother is an even bigger fan of the Stones.

    “I thought she was going to just levitate,” Clinton said of introducing Rodham to Richards and Jagger.

  5. Did Gravel drop out, because of pressure?

    Sophie B. Hawkins will be performing

    in support of

    Hillary Clinton for President

    during a special evening with

    President William Jefferson Clinton

    Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:00 PM

    PUCK

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    Doylestown, PA

  6. well actually, Gravel did not drop out. He switched to the Liberterian party and is running to win.

    Good for him.

  7. I don’t blame him, for dropping out of the “Democratic” party. I have had the same thoughts, myself.

  8. Pressed by reporters to detail any endorsement plans, Edwards declined to even say if he would endorse a candidate before the state’s primary.

    “When I have something to say, I’ll let you know,” he said.

  9. www6.comcast.net/news/articles/general/2008/02/29/Clinton.Women/

    Women push back in support of Hillary – good article!

  10. and women are getting their men on board too! I’ve just got off the phone with on of my church peeps..republican to the core and guess what she voted for Hillary and is supporting her “secretly” .. she said lots of the woman in my church are ‘secret” Hillary supporters! She’s down on the media as well, saying they are bunch of turds to the hole. I told her to go to her website and donate if she can

  11. Dot48 thats wonderful

    I was wearing hillarygear the other day it does help! visibility!

    dot48 can you help me whats the latest on the money meter? I only see the sign the petition thing

  12. It’s so weird the way Obama supporters act as if disenfranchising two major states (as if it would be less offensive to disenfranchise smaller states) is the high-minded thing to do. That tut tut tutting they’re all doing at the very notion of counting all the votes is so….well, Republican.

    Boy, whenever someone starts saying, “rule of law, rule of law”, you know they are up to no good.

    But it’s the rules! No, you dumbasses, it’s the election in November!

  13. Justmeinmountdorafl – thanks for that article on Women and Clinton. Remember this comment, but while reading it, just realized where I heard it before:

    “My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants,” Obama said in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22.

    SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE:

    “You’re likable enough, Hillary.”

  14. $1.921.140

    It’s been there for a while.

    I hope other people are not have browser problems as well.

    Hillary needs to keep a $ thing up till November.

  15. He’s seething inside though

    If for nothing else it will give me great pleasure to FU to the whole party if they keep sending out insulting old men to tell her to back off. This is her dream and our dream and they have NO right to say WHEN it’s convenient for them.

    Everybody here tomorrow needs to make another effort to call Howard Dean and tell him that OUR convention is in AUGUST and we’ll not need anything before then by the BIGWHIGS of the party to pick our nominee.

    He friggin wants to hijack this party to suit himself and Donna Brazil. Got news flash for him .. he treats Hillary bad and we’ll hurt them where it hurts really bad in November. We’ll set there asses outside the whitehouse for another 8 years

    I’ve had enough of their fucking shit.

  16. I agree Lninla – I didnt like that, its like, “she can run all she wants, she’s just desperate”

  17. Latest gambit by the Obama campaign:

    Hope HRC runs out of money, and:

    Try to intimidate people like Rendell, etc. so they don’t out BHO on his lying crap.

    I donated today, and am poised to donate as much as I can.

    We’re going to Denver, baby. We’re going all the way!

    Let’s help our girl!

    🙂

  18. admin, beautiful post. So encouraging.

    I loved the part about the beer. He’s afraid he might be like John Kerry, having Swiss cheese on his Philly cheesesteak. lol

  19. I know, I wish that it would work…. eesp for people in Florida and Michigan, it doesnt show the meter so people will think she doesnt need money you know?

  20. I never thought I’d EVER appreciate Rick Santorum.

    I was wrong.

    The column which is linked above to the Philly paper is by Santorum, and he is ALL OVER Obama. Awesomeness!

    The lines are being drawn in the sand — this is how the GOP is going to go after and take Obama down.

    SD’s, if you’re reading, take note. We only have one
    electable candidate post-Wright. Make the right call, please. It’s too important for you not to.

  21. Just thinking. There have been a lot of calls from so-called party leaders for Hillary to step aside for Obama. They claim if she continues to fight it may destroy the party. Well, if “the party” means those guys, then what is the loss? It appears to me some demolition needs doing.

  22. “If for nothing else it will give me great pleasure to FU to the whole party if they keep sending out insulting old men to tell her to back off. This is her dream and our dream and they have NO right to say WHEN it’s convenient for them.”

    dot48, I agree with this so much.

  23. Folks, I’ve noticed that the meter isn’t updated that often, especially on the weekend. I bet, it will be up there.

    BO’s arrogance is never ending.

  24. I can see the meter, dot, and it has the number you quoted.

    I am just reading the column by Richard Mellon Scaife and loving it.

    “Hillary Clinton walked into a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review conference room last Tuesday to meet with some of the newspaper’s editors and reporters and declared, “It was so counterintuitive, I just thought it would be fun to do.”

    The room erupted in laughter. Her remark defused what could have been a confrontational meeting.”

  25. I hope Hillary tells at every rally how they are trying to PUSH her out, PUSH their vote out .. make it HER and US against THEM, THE OLD FUCKING WHITE HEADED BASTARDS .. turn this into a battle against good vs evil .. us being good that we want to count every vote, hear every person and then we’ll decide at OUR convention in AUGUST the way we always do.

    She needs to keep hitting it with the people to let them know that THE PARTY is wanting to force a CROWNING on us in June or July and that is not what we bought into with the party. I admit I haven’t donated much to the party as a whole but I’ve voted Democrat before when I had to hold my nose.

    GODDAMN IT IT’S PAYBACK TIME

  26. this is why the women are now standing up with her and telling the men to, “BACK OFF!”

  27. justme-
    What a great editorial! And by Rick Santorum no less

    OBAMA=BABY KILLER

    omg. its too much. well Santorum is the ONLY one who could point that one out but it does fit his pattern. Funny thing about Rick, I really think he is warming up to run in 2012. I still think the GOP hates their candidates this year and if BO makes to the WH, they will spend 4 years undermining him and turning him into the next Jimmy Carter so they can turn Santorum into the next Reagan.
    YUCK.

  28. “My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants,” Obama said in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22.

    Sounds like:

    “C’mon guys, leave her alone. She can play in the sandbox in the corner; she won’t hurt anyone.”

    Obama is a jerkwad. He sounds like every boys club member who diminishes and dismisses women as not to be taken seriously.

  29. Hillary has several fundraisers coming up, I hope she is able to bring in enough money to kick-ass.

  30. HE cant tell her what to do, Obama needs to keep his lying mouth shut…and worry about obama with you and your lies .so many lies 100..and not hillary……
    Obama is loosing people left and wright!!!!

  31. I think we should find a way to get Barbara Streisand to do a fundraiser. She can do it in her backyard like the last time. I would generate excitement and money. Sir Elton John in New York on the East Coast and the legendary Barbara Streisand in Malibu California in the West.

  32. taylor marsh poster said some sort of breaking news re: Maggie Williams – anyone know? or did I miss something earlier.

  33. maggie was previously on the board of a subprime mortgage company .. so what. Not everybody that has a company like supprime is out to hump people. These are mostly legit business and some people just got in over their heads.

    MOF Obama took tons of $ from them and he ain’t been called out

  34. Dropping out and getting some real experience as a governor is great advice __ FOR OBAMA!

    That’s just what he needs to do. Go hide out in some little red state testing his theories, far away from the cooties of Washington DC.

    Let the GOP turn their fire on Hillary now. Maybe by 2016 some people will have forgotten Wright and Rezko.

  35. Admin: GREAT post by you. Thanks so much!

    To whomever asked me in the last thread (I’m sorry I can’t recall who you were right now) if I would write a diary about the Pitt. Tribune’s article on HRC, and their ‘reawakening’ to her, etc.

    Absolutely I will!

    I’ve got some other diary ideas in my head right now, but I will make the time to write about that. Thank you for asking and thinking I might be able to pull it off.

    The only things which I have any real ‘concern’ about (and it’s not very great concern) right now are North Carolina and cash flow for the campaign’s coffers. I think Ace is down in NC, right? If so, great. First we have to max-out PA, and then NC can be more dealt with. I think that is the key state.

    As far as the campaign cash numbers, I need to get up to speed with that. As I said earlier, I donated today and will be looking to donate plenty next month as well. This is the critical time. I know the media wants to seize on the supposed latest HRC ‘crisis,’ but I want to make sure I am up to speed on the situation, from all fronts.

    🙂

  36. Hillary has several fundraisers coming up, which should help. Elton John, SF area, LA, Bill did one in central CA over the weekend, and Sophie B. Hawkins is having a concert for Hillary in PA.

  37. Guys,
    *Rant alert*

    Remember how after HRC won OH and TX the attention turned to PA. Everybody agreed that was THE contest, the one that a lot of SDs would look at to decide who to support. Now that it looks like Hill will get a double digit victory there she’s supposed to drop out? WTF! Correct me if I’m wrong but she’s only behind by less than 100 pledged delegates, excluding MI and FL. So what candidate worth his/her ass would drop out now? It also insults my intelligence when the same assholes that have been wrong at every turn about what would happen- Hill would lose NH, she’s done on Super Tuesday, and of course no way she can win OH and TX- pull the whole “she doesn’t have the math” card out of their collective asses. Guess what fellas? BO can’t get to 2025 without the supers either! I’m sorry about the cussing, but it just burns me up to hear a bunch of old ass white men tell Hillary fucking Clinton to leave the race all to clear the path for their golden boy.

  38. not sure who the performers for LA are – but the host committee is pretty impressive, incl. Barbra Streisand, Debra Messing, Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen, etc.

  39. Sophie B. Hawkins, a former one-hit wonder who survived the massive overplaying of her single “Damn, I wish you were my lover,” to become a respected singer- songwriter, will take the stage in Doylestown April 13 with former President Bill Clinton.

    It’s not a cheap ticket. The Hillary Clinton fundraiser will cost attendees $1,000 a head, $2,300 (the maximum individual contribution) if they want to chill with Bill at a special VIP reception. The bash starts at 7 p.m.

    The concert will be held at Puck, http://www.pucklive.com, hip downtown bar and music venue that plays host to a wide variety of local and national Indie music acts.

    Hawkins is an unabashed Hillary supporter. Check out the Sophie B. Hawkins website for details on the event.

  40. I’m glad Hillary has said I am here until the convention, basically telling them all to shut the fuck up.

    From what i am gathering, the backlash from women is going to be enormous, there is a real sense they are trying to push women out of this race. Lots are not happy.

    Obama have pushed the women further to HRC the opposite of what he wanted.

  41. yup she does, if they throw out the caucuses, which they should as they are undemocratic, then she is way ahead.

  42. and if they had COUNTED FLorida and Michigan like the republicans, Hillary would be in a very different position today. The combined momentum from Florida and Michigan would’ve boosted her so much.

  43. its been a collusion from the get go. the white headed and bald headed bastards don’t want a woman in the white house. that alone would make me vote for her even if i didn’t agree with all of her policies.

  44. hi hillfans. hope your weekend is going well. just finished house cleaning. hillary is almost at $2 million for the end of march fundraising. hopefully she can make $3 million before the end of monday midnight.

  45. MJS it is not just the pledged delegates from FL and MI, if they are seated so are the SD and Hillary leads with around 15 to 5 with another 10 undecided.

  46. nikki22

    yours is not a “rant”, just truth telling.

    Pennsylvania was viewed as “THE” primary and must win state until it appeared that Hillary would win big. When Murtha endorsed Hillary it became even more obvious that Hillary would at least win Pennsylvania.

    So what happened then?

    Big Media decided that Hillary winning North Carolina AND Indiana was a MUST.

    As Indiana looks possible for Hillary to win, now Big Media is saying North Carolina is a MUST win.

    Rubbish.

  47. terrondt, good to hear your housecleaning is going well. Can’t wait for Hillary to do House cleaning too. Starting with Dean, Brazile, Pelosi, Dodd.

  48. Let’s move the goal posts further!! Seat the delegations from FL and MI and it will take 2208 delegates to win the nomination and that is the real reason Obama does not want them seated.

  49. I didn’t get that package on planned parenthood. sorry

    Hannity is getting death threats, I heard his whole family .. even the dog.

    He is gonna tread lightly but it aint over

  50. birdgal i think he does to..he loves showing that part
    it bothers shawn alott when he says that,GDA..and the being there for 20 years setting there for 20 years..

  51. my pastor does not talk politics. The message today was on sex outside your marriage vows .. some ears in front of me were burning

  52. I was scanning the AM waves coming home from shopping and there was Stinky’s voice, talking about race and “white folks” etc. I guess it was taken from one of his audio books. The right wing is all over this. It was the Hugh Hewitt show, he was also referring to the “Pastor’s Bulletin”, or whatever it is called, slamming Israel. I am sure the Jewish money men who fund the Party are really going to hearing that.

    BTW, FARC is an army of leftist guerrilas who are fighting to take over Columbia. They are alligned with Hugo Chavez – who recently sent his military to the border of Columbia.

    The big questions are why is the right wing talking about BHO ties to FARC? Does this somehow involve Rezko’s South American connections? Is Auchi funding FARC? These are valid questions.

  53. i tell you the wright issue is a destroyer. how can the party big whigs not understand this. they want a puppet who the likes of dodd, leahy, kennedy,pelosi and yes, dean wants to play the strings.

    I think there has been a change of timing on some stuff….

  54. Dot, I wonder why. Hannity was advertising the Ayers story last week.

    BO cannot win the GE; the Republicans will kill him.

  55. Hannity ..maybe patience issue right now or they have learned even more info. He won’t quit..things are hot on him — believe me.

  56. well i hope when kerry speaks or kennedy there is hill supporters boooing like crazy..just like they did shelia jackson ..thats why teddy and kerry wont be coming out to speak to anyone…there gonna hide and said they dont have time…and pelosi to…there so chicken shit….

  57. Ole Teddy boy thinks his vacation home is too pristine for windmills for power and looks like they find his yacht spewing diesel fuel out in the ocean. I hope they put one of those windmills in his fat ass face.

    I’m not too good to be within hearing distance of one of them gawd awful Nuclear sirens .. every wednesday first of month it screams for 3 minutes and I’m a good ways from it.

  58. I jsut posted at
    http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-ed_sunltrs_03301mar30,0,5811014.story

    Short easy comment string, I’m #7

    My post:
    Even aside from the questions this raises about Obama’s own attitudes to Israel and and to mainstream US beliefs, it shows incompetence and poor judgement. Whatever else, he and his staff are NOT ready for prime time, and he has NOT been vetted.(And we can’t trust the mainstream media to vet him — they had the tapes for months but were concealing them till Fox broke the story.)

    If anyone still wants to see Obama continue a national career, they had better suggest he drop out quickly, become governor of some far away state, and hope eventually people will forget this. If he drops out now, Fox will turn on Hillary instead; if he stays in, they will keep digging on Obama.

  59. yeah but they had to report it but nothing about Hillary’s rallies being full and spirited

  60. nice KY local news report about people waiting in line, some overnight, to see Hillary speak:

    youtube.com/watch?v=ftW5Lqsujc4

  61. oh teddy wont give a staement the chicken shit in hiding dumping fuel diesel fuel at that in nantucket sound..how does he get buy with that crap..becasue he is ted kennedy..thats bullsh*t

  62. JustMe – had to dig around and find that on Correntewire.com

    MSM sucks –

    The ironic part of this is that our side needs alternate ways to communicate like the internet and bypass the MSM’s biased or suppressed Clinton coverage – and yet, Clinton supporters, the older folks, working families, people for whom English is a second language – overall, aren’t as tech savvy.

  63. Dot,

    I wouldn’t fool around with that. I might, however, hunt down a couple of nice fresh plump puffer fish and make sure they’re served at an evening meal. 👿

    BTW – posted 22,000 characters on TT but can’t post the whole 72 pages. i sent it as a reply to your last regular mail message and didn’t get a notification that the message had bounced so maybe it got through this time?
    Nothing on hannity. :mrgreen: What happened to Ayers?

  64. I think what we are seeing in the actions of the Party “Big wigs” is a power struggle for control between the “old money” faction and the “new money” faction (represented by the Clintons). It’s pretty obvious because I don’t think that Pelosi and Kennedy are that close ideologically, the only thing they have in common is that they come from similar political family backgrounds.

    It’s pretty much a repeat of what cost Dems the control of Congress in 1994. Old money Democrats hate that Bill Clinton knows how to win. They’re not trying to win the White House, they’re trying to destroy the Clinton influence on the Democratic Party and protect their own political influence even if it means that Republicans control the Executive Branch for four more years.

    Pelosi proved with “Impeachment is off the table” that she is no friend of Democratic voters. Kennedy’s support of Obama shows that he is out of touch with the voters of his state who voted overwhelminly in favor of Senator Clinton. It’s odd to see Dean and Kerry on the same side; but given the way that Kerry threw the fight in ’04 to George Bush, it seems pretty obvious that he doesn’t have the spine to be a true leader (or if you’re prone to tin foil theories, perhaps he’s part of a bi-partisan effort to derail the Democratic Agenda).

    In any case, the Clintons have proven, despite their faults, that they are friends of lower and middle class democratic voters. We should not be having so hard a time getting our choice elected, and yet the opposition has managed to game the system in such a way that our struggle is epic.

    I take heart in knowing that there are superdelegates who have not yet committed. It gives me hope that all is not lost and they are waiting for an excuse to get behind Clinton. There’s no other reason for them not to have committed to Obama if they are inclined to do so. Still, these are scary times.

  65. James Carville is laughing right now.

    Richardson: ‘I’m not going to stoop to Carville’s level’ comment on Face the Nation.

    Richardson is doing exactly what Carville wants him to and that is to keep the Judas remark in the press. Let’s face it Bill you’ve been played again….

  66. @NYCMax,

    “the Clintons have proven, despite their faults, that they are friends of lower and middle class democratic voters”

    Exactly! Beautifully said! 🙂

  67. NYCMax,

    Exactly. I’ve been posting that for days. The goal is a ‘palace coup’ to replace internal leadership and has little if anything to do with battling the alleged opponents, the Repubs. The ‘old money’ guys would prefer that the Dems lose the WH with BO then win with HRC. In fact, some of them are probably secretly salivating at THAT prospect because then they can blame HRC for the loss. It is too too demented.

    And of course there’s the old CYA scrambling kicking into high gear, now.
    Screw democracy. Screw the country. Just make sure my safe secure little world isn’t affected.

  68. Does anyone know when Paddy originally posted her neo-lib article? I can’t find it and want to rec it to NYCMax.

  69. CJ – i believe these are “log cabin” republicans – gay republicans – which constantly puts them in a dilemma because most of the time, they can’t vote for republicans who legislate homophobia and they don’t like the Dems. I think some of their attitudes reflect what’s going on with Republicans in general – can’t vote for the traitor to their party, McCain, can’t vote for anti-American, Wright-embracing Obama.

    odd combo, but i believe the creator of Desperate Housewives, Marc Cherry, is log-cabin.

  70. Why don’t we ask John Edwards if he had the money and the support and the votes/delegates if he would quit, I doubt he would! He would tell us were crazy, were not quitting!! They just think they can make out like Hillary is ruining the party. I just what the other candidates would do if they were in hillary’s place now and moving towards some record breaking wins. I am sure they would laugh and thats what we need to do!!

  71. thanks ininla..but i believe the creator of Desperate Housewives, Marc Cherry, is log-cabin..yep i wonder about that thats why i posted..lol

  72. rjk1957, I screwed that up last night, I realized it later, they have 1 uncommitted instead of giving Hillary the other one. the vote count was 44 to 36. so I guess that’s the way they decided it should be. The one that is undecided is a friend of mine and she is an AA and she is definitely not uncommitted. That’s how the Obamatrons have been cheating.

  73. Wow! That (paddy’s post linked above) really does connect most of the dots.

    The Democratic in-fighting predates the neo-libs as described in the post, but paddy most definitely explains the tone of dynamics at play now, I think. One thing that I just can’t shake is the Kerry Skull and Bones connection to the Shrub (and which others?). There’s way too much money in the Obama coffers and not enough on the Right to discount a neoCon presence in the Democratic Primary.

  74. Bill Clinton had to fight till June for the nom in 1992. Iirc someone said FDR had a hard fight for it too? President Carter was challenged by Ted Kennedy.

    I wonder if there’s a correlation — those who can win for the people, are opposed by the old money faction, who doesn’t really want that much change?

  75. Bill Clinton had to fight till June for the nom in 1992. Iirc someone said FDR had a hard fight for it too? President Carter was challenged by Ted Kennedy.

    I wonder if there’s a correlation — those who can win for the people, are opposed by the old money faction, who doesn’t really want that much change?

  76. lninla Says:
    The ironic part of this is that our side needs alternate ways to communicate like the internet and bypass the MSM’s biased or suppressed Clinton coverage – and yet, Clinton supporters, the older folks, working families, people for whom English is a second language – overall, aren’t as tech savvy.

    skmf12 has a great idea on that: those of us who have computer savvy, print out flyers and leave them on buses, in laudramats, etc.

  77. Last post got stuck in the filter, it will probably appear again. In case this story about Maggie Williams grows, we need to start pushing back on it now. Obama’s campaign finance person, Penny Pritzker, has her own troubling ties to the mortgage industry. I don’t think this matters for either candidate, but if they go after Maggie, it isn’t fair to ignore Obama’s ties, so send this out far and wide to Fox, which is so far the only network covering Maggie. Also, be sure to point out in your emails that the fact that Clinton has the toughest legislation on this issue shows that she does not bow to corporate interests.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/if-obamas-for-real-on-th_b_89159.html

  78. Just a bit of history for all you history buffs out there….

    In 1980, Carter, as the sitting president, should have had an easy time. But Massachusetts Sen. Edward M. Kennedy launched a primary challenge that galvanized the Democratic Party’s liberals. By June, Carter had won enough contests to amass a lead in delegates that seemed to guarantee him renomination. Yet Kennedy refused to withdraw. He publicly carried on his campaign through high-profile speeches while allies worked behind the scenes to poach Carter’s delegates. “If Mr. Kennedy is feeling no great financial pressure to get out of the race,” the New York Times reported on June 11, “he also appears to be feeling no great pressure to withdraw to avoid splitting the Democratic party.” Days before the convention, Kennedy announced he would break precedent to become the first Democrat since William Jennings Bryan to address the convention before the first roll call—the gesture of an active candidate, not a peacemaker. He ultimately surrendered at the convention itself.

  79. Ann, maybe that is why Kennedy has been pretty silent in calling for her to drop out…he would be the worst hypocrite and would probably get some pretty bad press.

    For those of you suggesting flyers, I think this is a TERRIFIC idea. We should pick a few topics and then we can come up with a template and email them out amongst ourselves. Then we should connect with people who are in upcoming states and get them to print them and do the actual drop at various locations…

  80. Here are some wonderful inspirational quotes from Sojourner Truth:

    It is the mind that makes the body.

    Religion without humanity is poor human stuff.

    Truth burns up error.

    Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.
    *****************************************************
    So when you see the talking heads continue with their demeaning and sexist comment on Hillary Clinton know that this is nothing new and that we have to see this for what it is….nothing but talking smack, like in baseball with all the “Hey batter, batter” crap when you get up to the plate.

    Now Hillary is at the plate again and she’s behind by two runs and the team been throwing balls at her head, hit her in the side a couple of times BUT she STILL in the game, at the plate and getting ready to knock it out the park.

    We’re not even at the 7 inns stretch…so all these calls for Team Hillary to step aside and concede the game to Team Obama is absurd. Let them chatter away all they want because it doesn’t matter, it all part of the game and it’s not over yet.

  81. Its disheartening to realize that the Dean is so for Obama that he is willing to silence millions to do it.
    Prediction: Obama declares himself the winner of 48 states and Hillary declares herself the winner of all 50. What then?
    more fighting
    more silencing
    more splitting
    John McCain win

    If Dean has any sense he will seat FL and MI delegates now, recognize they had a primary and millions voted, and allow the Democratic Nominee to be able to call herself/himself legit.

  82. Something to keep in mind…
    The school year at most colleges ends in a few weeks. With the college students away from the campus and out in the real world during the months of May and June, there should be more opportunities for Hillary supporters in the upcoming primary states to talk with these young ‘uns about the issues and get some of the kool-aid out of their systems.

  83. Look, all this about Hillary being ‘behind’ and ‘needing to catch up’ is just the other side’s talking points. They’re trying to frame the contest their way.

    In fact, at the convention, EVERY SINGLE DELEGATE CAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION, even on the first ballot.

    Everything happening all year is like leading up to the one big primary that counts — the convention.

  84. the page says all nc dem reps and mt’s sen will endorse obama at once. holy cow. why cant the hillary camp hold back sds?

  85. texan4hillary Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 12:10 am
    the page says all nc dem reps and mt’s sen will endorse obama at once. holy cow. why cant the hillary camp hold back sds?

    Because the Democrats hate democracy.

  86. Hey everyone, Hillary is going to win this. I can’t wait until i get to Philly. As Hillary said WE ARE IN IT TO WIN. There is no greater fighter than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Just keep the FAITH. I will be leaving for Philly on April 18th. There will be a bus load of us. I wish i could go to NC.

    PS i am 66 years old and i am in this to win it. I will be walking and knocking on doors, phone banking etc.

  87. Well, it seems like, they don’t want Hillary to gain any ground with PA. They want the lead to be out of reach. Apparently, the BO camp is doing everything to destroy the significance of a PA win, and to prevent a good showing in NC. So much, for the will of the voters.

  88. more here-obama will gain 9 sds this week-the entire nc delegation, sen kluchbar. another week of hurt and hope in hillaryland

  89. hillfans, i think april and may are going to be banner months for hillary. north carolina might be a challenge though.

  90. its on the front page of the wsj right now guys. the whole dleegation of nc dem congresspeople are going for obama. wtf. they are moving to shut this down faster i think. the people of nc havent spoken but their reps are ALL telling them to shut up an give the nom to obama. sick

  91. I don’t understand, why people are flocking to BO, with all this Wright stuff coming out. I must be very dense, because it is beyond understanding. Maybe, they don’t want Hillary, and are willing to throw the GE. Otherwise, it doesn’t make sense.

  92. t4h, i think the party insiders and establishment is rallying around sopposed “outsider” obama. let hillary rail against the “establshment”.

  93. Jen the Michigander Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 12:28 am
    Remember, Hillary won Massachusetts even though everyone said she wouldn’t, plus their big whig politicians endorsed Obama.

    Not really. She had practically the entire state congress and Boston Mayor.

  94. They must feel very threatened by Hillary, otherwise, why aren’t they letting the people vote. What hypocrisy. Terrondt, you’re right. MA was won, even though, the Gov, Kerry, and Kennedy were for BO. But, NC is much closer.

  95. I feel they don’t care if we win the election. I read something about John Kerry, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy and Al Gore. These are the four men that do not want her to win. They hate her. If i find that article i will post it. They will do anything to see her fail. Could someone help me find that article

  96. I have never felt so voiceless in my life. This Party doesn’t give a shit about the half of the voters who have thus far voted for Hillary. They could care a less about the will of registered Dem’s, a majority of whom have supported Hillary. they are panicked by Democracy.

  97. They also don’t care about the voters of MI and FL. By not considering these states, it tilts everything towards BO, including SDs. What a farce. This is a rigged election. I am done with the democratic party.

  98. this move makes me now wonder-what does edwards do? stand for hillary against now all the congressfolk dems of nc? or does this push for him to endorse-hopefully her asap? god the media will go bannanas with this move. im also concerned with hillary’s sd effort. really. he is now trying to lock down states with sds. we cannot bleed like this 10 sds a week for sure. go am i pissed-but pray all this bakfires big-cauing major wins in these upcomming states. they re tryign to shut her down and she will throw down the gauntlet to the voters as she has-tell the party we want hillary for 44.

  99. A quote from the article:

    “One North Carolinian confirmed that at least several of the state’s House members would go public in favor of Sen. Obama before long. Meanwhile, elected officials in other states with upcoming contests, including Indiana, Montana and Oregon, are weighing whether to endorse Sen. Obama.”

    Sounds fuzzy to me. “One North Carolinian”? “At least several of the state’s House members”? These folks are going public in favor of Obama “before long”? And the elected officials in other states are “weighing” whether to endorse Obama?

    None of this sounds like a done deal yet. Yes, the WSJ is a reputable publication, but we’ve seen so many journalists from so many reputable publications and TV news agencies fall prey to the Obama kool-aid, either drinking the kool-aid themselves or merely taking the Obamabots’ word as gospel.

  100. I am just so mad right now. Why are people saying that Hillary should get out??? She just WON Ohio and Texas. She BEAT the media and Obama. The media and Obama have said time and time again that she has to win a certain state or get out. They said she has to win TX and OH. She WON THEM. She kicked Obama’s butt!!! Now Obama has a huge scandal, and they’re saying that she has to get out???

    This is insanity. I am so tired of the Obama media.

  101. 1950Dem: “Look, all this about Hillary being ‘behind’ and ‘needing to catch up’ is just the other side’s talking points.
    They’re trying to frame the contest their way.”

    Hello?! Trying? They HAVE framed it that way for weeks, with nary a peep from Hill’s side about the gross dishonesty of it all.

    Hill won FLA with BO on the ballot and he took his name off in MI because he knew he would lose.
    He’s of course done everything he can to block a re-vote.

    I said this weeks ago: All that matters form Hill’s perspective is winning the popular vote. And so the “count FLA & MI” or “Re-vote in FLA & MI” is all her campaign should be talking about – and it should be an overwhelming drumbeat.
    I’d prefer she stay out of it actually, and let Wolfsson and the others not only make the case but BLAST Obama for continually talking about politics & process over the American people & their problems.

    You’ll note that in the past few days, the chattering class have begun their moving of the next goalpost. As most now expect Hill to win PA, I’ve heard more than a few say if she doesn’t win NC (where she’s never been favored) she will have to drop out.
    It’s all about filling the airwaves with this disgusting MFing shit.

    And if anyone doesn’t think so, just remember how many said – after a 2-week deathwatch – if she somehow won TX & OH it would then be
    “a whole new ball game”.

    Hardly seems like it.

  102. this whole scenerio seems implausable. wright alone should have finished him off. does the dnc really believe we will mindlessly follow thier chosen one. fat chance in hell.

  103. another source. sounds clear to me.

    Also says all seven of North Carolina’s Democratic House members plan to back the Land of Lincolner as a group (just one has so far) before state’s May 6 contest.
    Paper says it’s part of a slow but steady string of Dems taking Obama’s side, trying

    thepage.time.com/

  104. I think we should use the delegate hub on Hillary’s site and blast super delegates for the next few days about how we will walk from the party if they shut this down before all the states have voted yet…

  105. It really is just amazing. We get a really strong, smart, capable woman nominee. She’s the most qualified woman we will ever have. And what happens? We hear “no, we need something NEW and EXCITING now.” She has far, far more experience and qualifications. But now they’re changing the rules. We don’t need experience! We need “hope” and “change.”

    I don’t know about you, but I’ve heard this all before.

  106. Just an observation–these SD are from states Obama is expected to win anyway. Instead of getting endorsements little by little as each primary comes up over the weeks it sounds like the Obama camp has asked these people to come out in a group to make it look like a “wave” of endorsements. Also, in the article cited, I don’t know how anyone with a straight face could cite Hillary’s negatives when Obama’s numbers are virtually identical and with the clear impact from the Wright affair in head to head polling with McCain. These people had to be long time Obama supporters…

    Hillary should make an effort to come out with endorsements of her own even if they are ahead of time. I read that there were 2 or 3 other Pennsylvania ones that might follow Murtha. Perhaps this is the time to pressure them to come forth…

    Also, didn’t Hillary get the number of delegates expected for Texas? Shows that people aren’t abandoning her…..

  107. Is there someway we can let these sd know that we are not going to fall for this. We are not going to let them decide who i nominee should be. Can we get out and get a rally or something going to show them WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

  108. Edwards is not going to go against the entire NC delegation. If he was, he would by now. Cowards, the Democrats are a bunch of cowards. I will NEVER vote for this guy!

  109. I hate these people. They are trying to steal the election for this two bit Chicago pol. Who do they think they are???

  110. Henry,
    I agree that Wright should have finished off Obama. I cannot comprehend how or why it has not. Then again, the voters haven’t had a chance to weigh in yet, as the most recent primary occurred before Wright. So we’ll have to wait and see.

  111. Jen – sounds like Obama’s new propaganda machine at work.

    I will preface this by saying, I am not at all accusing BO’s of being anything –

    But sometimes the sheer amount of propaganda that comes out of the media, that continues to beat down on my rationale and others daily, is making me start to understand what it must be like to live in a fascist society – I mean we are nowhere near being Nazi Germany, but I can vaguely understand what citizens would have to deal with when they hear the same messages over and over again.

  112. paging bill clinton-call those nc sds right now-hell u know these guys well. peel a few off. i bet he is trying . god pa blow him away by 20 or more.

  113. I also said this months ago; (Bill &) Hil will be blamed for EVERYTHING, she’ll be given credit for nothing, minimized as none in her position ever have been before.

    So she may as well take advantage of it.

    Dems have shown themselves to be the spinless jackals I always knew they were. And so, leading up to NC (with the media continuing its narrative, as mentioned above) it is time to take advantage of it by obliterating Barack Obama.

    The ads, Wright, Rezko, Michele, etc. the whole insideous nature of BO’s campaign must be made clear.
    A massive ad buy, even more free media, let the repubs pile on (the closer it gets the more they can’t wait) and Hill needs to return to her “Shame on You”, ” Meet me in Texas” style.

  114. Texan, of course they are trying. WTF are these people? Is pulch here? I’m trying to understand what in heck is going on in nc.

  115. Are all of these people in NC urban? Because Hill is going to kick his ass in the rurals and those voters are going to be none to happy with their reps.

  116. I wonder if the bots go after people like Michael Steele and Michael Brown like they go after VOTERS who just do not believe as they do? It seems as if they want to silence EVERYONE who has a DIFFERENT point of view than theirs.

  117. I wish Pulch was still here or diva or someone who could explain to me what the heck the NC delegation is thinking?

  118. evening all…..been watching John Adams and taking care of business …..have read through the posts thus far

    and i am not shaken by these new endorsements coming out for bambi……think about it

    we all freaked when teddy kennedy et all came out for bambi and what did it get him? Hill won mass.!! LOL

    this will not rock the ss clinton!!! 😀 Let them play their game, I don’t believe for a second that bill and hill didn’t see this whole scenerio coming long before she announced her candidacy. I believe they have the best staff and they ARE on top of things 😀

    after reading posts here today, if it is true they want mccain….then mc cain is the last one to vote for………we need to start the we will vote for Nadar campaign if hill is not the nom…….that’ll really shake their rubber tree!! 😀 😀

  119. Before I go to sleep–did anyone watch Hannity tonight? Wasn’t he supposed to have info on William Ayers? I watched some of it but didn’t see a report on Ayers…can someone fill me in? Thanks….

  120. re: propaganda – one of us, who’s either no longer with us or changed names – suggested that the MSM is being highly influenced by the internet, basically a constant whisper campaign on the net – and since the MSM doesn’t want to get scooped by bloggers, it stops confirming with enough sources or it’s relying on sources which themselves are faulty.

    Anyway, this guy on Stop-Obama.org, Jeff Gold, is one of the few who’ve discusses the whole thing in the paradigm of “psychological warfare.

    stop-obama.org/?p=277

  121. don’t count edwards out, he may come thru behind the scenes at the convention for hillary yet

    elizabeth is leaning towards hillary, and edwards said she was the more experienced candidate
    and obama hasn’t worked for his endorsement like hill has.

    I think edwards is very savvy with the dem party and i am sure he’s got a plan as well.

  122. I think, they are taking the voters for granted. Hillary’s voters will get over it, by Nov., and MI and FL will get over it, and if they don’t, then they can be sacrificed during the GE. With all BO’s rhetoric, and that is all it is, rhetoric, about the rights of voters, his team and our elected officials are disenfranchising many voters.

  123. djia – was talking on the phone with one of us today, and don’t want to take away their thunder, but they didn’t post it here as far as I can tell – in NC in a speech, Hillary claimed to be talking with Elizabeth Edwards almost every week.

  124. I heard that also Ininla, but it would take immense courage if the entire NC machine is behind BO. We need them now.

  125. It’s so far beyond frustrating MJ; it’s just how it is.
    The entire eight years of the Clinton presidency were the same way.
    Us (the 40 or so million of us) against the world.

    Look no further on how the media is steering the race than this flap over BO lying about the Kennedys funding his father to come to the US.

    The WaPo headline said BO “Overstates The Story”
    Inside, however, it says what it really is, which is a flat out lie.

    “It is a touching story — but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.”

    That’s why i pointed out this “BO as Teflon” narrative that was out there, which is essentially the media acknowledging they won’t even try to nail him down cause he’ll only escape “somehow” as well as the “Hill must win NC or go home” bullshit too.

    These are the storylines the campaign has to hit with 100% ferocity.
    And of course the popular vote/FLA/MI thigamajug.

  126. mj – I sort of wonder about the timing because of Edwards were to endorse this week, not sure that makes sense for him – but if he were to endorse if PA were a landslide for her – makes sense. He’s jumping on the bandwagon of the candidate with momentum.

  127. Ininla, interesting information on Elizabeth Edwards. I wonder if he will endorse and if they are just saving it for the right moment. Also, I wonder if Gore isn’t behind some of the effort to convince DNC members to back off demands on Hillary to quit the campaign. He actually came out for her continuing this past week.

    The stop-Obama article on propagand is right on–I have felt this way for a long time. I think the constant calls to leave the race are being done to decrease donations to Hillary’s campaign and influence voters in the upcoming primaries. That’s why they haven’t stopped doing it…

  128. Well, I just had a great day here in Medford Oregon. Bill C came to town and I went early to help out. They had moved the event to a larger venue and The line was very long. People showed up at noon for a 5:30 event. Miraculously,we were able to get everyone in. There were ALOT of undecided voters.

    Bill was magnificent! He spoke for about two hours and covered what is critical for America, how things got the way they are and what Hillary plans to do about it in detail. I heard from some people that went to the recent Obama rally was that this was much more informative, the people were more laid back, and the security was much, much more lax than when Obama was here.

    Bill spent about a half and hour shaking hands, signing books and kissing babies.

    Until Hillary gets in, he is still my president.

  129. Ininla Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 1:20 am

    djia – was talking on the phone with one of us today, and don’t want to take away their thunder, but they didn’t post it here as far as I can tell – in NC in a speech, Hillary claimed to be talking with Elizabeth Edwards almost every week.
    ****************************************************************************

    see that’s what i am talking about 😀

  130. Hillbilly,
    I’m glad you had a fun time seeing Bill. 🙂

    I’m off to bed now; otherwise I will fall asleep in my chair and my big Irish head will go THUNK on my laptop keyboard.

    G’night all…

  131. We need Elizabeth Edwards. We need John Edwards. We need them now. What can we do? I’d like to fly to NC tonight and ring their doorbell, and just say help us out here. We need health care.

  132. I love Elizabeth Edwards. I think that’s why I heart John so much. She’s just a peach. I wish her good health.

    Congrats HillBilly! I agree with you, Bill is still my president.

  133. lol mj! You’ll be hanging outside their bushes pretty soon.

    I agree though, Edwards would be a nice endorsement.

    Not having healthcare sucks btw. I know. :/

  134. same guy, Jeff Gold, on stop-obama.org: stop-obama.org/?p=455#more-455

    Obama Lobbyist Policy: say No in Public, ask about Spouse in Private

    While Obama has decried the influence of special interests in Washington, the reality is that many of the most talented and experienced political operatives in his party are lobbyists, and he needs their help. [Bolton]

    One of the lobbyists, who supports Clinton, said that Shomik Dutta, a fundraiser for Obama’s campaign, called to ask if the lobbyist’s wife would be interested in making a political contribution.

    “I was quite taken aback,” he said. “He was very direct in saying that you’re a lobbyist and we don’t want contributions from lobbyists. But your wife can contribute and we like your network.”

    Dutta declined to discuss his work.

    Mike Williams, the director of government relations at Credit Suisse Securities [contributions to Obama, last year spent 2 million lobbying Congress], said of the network of lobbyists supporting Obama: “I would imagine that it’s as large as the Clinton list.” [Bolton]

    Other K Street players [lobbyists] working to build momentum for Obama are former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), a consultant for Alston & Bird; Broderick Johnson, president of Bryan Cave Strategies LLC; Mark Keam, the lead Democratic lobbyist at Verizon; Jimmy Williams, vice president of government affairs for the Wine & Spirits Wholesalers of America; Thomas Walls, vice president of federal public affairs at McGuireWoods Consulting; and Francis Grab, senior manager at Washington Council Ernst & Young. [Bolton]

    With all their efforts to keep their influence and contributions to Obama’s campaign a secret

    Obama has raised more than $1.4 million from members of law and consultancy firms led by partners who are lobbyists, The Los Angeles Times reported last week. [Globe]

    his presidential campaign has maintained ties with lobbyists and lobbying firms to help raise some of the $58.9 million he collected through the first six months of 2007. [Globe]

  135. And I’d like to add to Sen. Obama I don’t have it not because I can’t afford it, I can, I just don’t want to afford it. It’s the same with car insurance, if I wasn’t required to have it, I probably wouldn’t. I’m lazy when it comes to that stuff.

    I had to pay out of pocket for my oral surgery. It wasn’t cheap. Dental would be nice.

  136. Hillbilly, glad your day went well. How wonderful, to see Bill Clinton. Also, glad to hear about the positive response.

    I read the article, and I agree, this campaign has been about psychological warfare. As long, as Hillary is fighting, we have to keep fighting. She is getting good crowds, and people seem responsive to heard.

    After reading about the media, no wonder all the major papers have been endorsing BO. I cancelled my subscription to the SF Chronicle, after Super Tuesday, because of the biased coverage or non-coverage.

  137. Not that I know of. I’ve only given it out 2x on this board. Once to hawk and once, to divabunny. 😀

  138. Okay! Or just e-mail my temp address

    tinydancer4hill at gmail dot com I’ll go check it and forward it to my regular e-mail.

  139. No. 1 ‘Clinton hater’ may endorse Hillary
    ‘Vast, right-wing conspiracy’ leader now holds ‘very favorable’ opin

    worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60352

    Racists again endorse Obama on candidate’s website
    New Black Panther Party condemns ‘white men,’ ‘Jews,’ praises Barack

    worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60325

  140. David Axelrod’s next book will be called: How to Bamboozle the Electorate.

    last of my conspiracy theories, but I believe that Axelrod and Dean are trying to build an internet propaganda machine as formidable as the one that the Republicans have built over the years, but ya know – they could still fail against people who still think for themselves – like all of Hillary’s supporters.

    Alright g’night all – now going to watch Elizabeth – need to watch a woman kicking ass and ruling a country.

  141. the Democratic members of the NC US House delegation represent rural and urban areas of the state. and while their endorsement may have an impact, i believe voters may reject their recommendation.

  142. Screw the NC delegation. They are stupid. No offense. But any rural who endorses BO is a joke, because she is going to win those districts. She is going to win NC. This is psychowarfare and IT WON’T WORK!

  143. “It changed lives for millions and millions of families. And she was doing that when she was a young woman, making changes in other people’s lives,” he said.

    He then referred to the three remaining candidates, saying all were “admirable people,” but that if one compared their records as an agent of change “it is not close.” But, he added, the coverage of the race hasn’t borne it out.

    “She’s the most unconventional person I have ever seen to be running for president, because she did most of this before she had an elected office,” he said. “[But] you never read about any of stuff in the press, do you? Because the intermediaries of the campaign, these kinds of things don’t matter to them, because they don’t need a president, they need a story. They want a feeling. You gotta decide whether you need a president or not.”

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/30/842100.aspx

  144. mj – what do you think about that survey usa poll that shows MA tied if Obama is the nominee? Is it the Deval factor? That you guys are having a little bit of deja-vu or just an anomaly? I can’t see MA going red. Just like I couldn’t see WA going red, but the latest SUSA polls have Hillary beating McCain in WA, so I think that earlier poll was just…off.

  145. Tiny, i do believe he could lose MA. Remember we had 16 years of Repub Governors. Obama lost everywhere that wasn’t an elite town. If you can’t win outside 495, ie, thoe working class part of the state, you can’t win.

  146. That would be crazy. I’ve always thought of MA as a dem stronghold.

    WA has had only 4 years of a republican gov in that last 30 years, although we almost elected one in 2004, but I think that was more a reflection on the candidate than the state leanings.

  147. Well, Tiny, I don’t think any repub could win here or any dem could lose, just BO vs McCain. You’d be surprised. Lot’s of people like McCain as a person.

  148. Where can I find Hill’s schedule? I know she’ll be in PA for the next 3 days, then probably Indiana, but I don’t think she should give up on NC, just because of that dumbass delegation. I think she sould pull an upset there.

  149. My brother really likes McCain. He’s an independent and more than anything wants Gore to be the nominee, but if he doesn’t get Gore, he’s voting McCain. Which is a weird leap for me, from Gore to McCain. My bro told me over a year ago that he though McCain would be hard to beat. This was back when I was saying that Guiliani was going to get the Repub nomination. I’m obviously Nostradamus.

  150. Anyone have that schedule? Hill can win NC. I really believe that.

    Actually, McCain is the perfect example of what a candidate can do behind in funds, behind in endorsements, etc.

  151. I thought it’d be Edwards/Giuliani, but that was before any campaigning stared. I didn’t realize just HOW tooly Rudy was or how ignored Edwards would be.

    I knew Kerry would have a hard time in 2004 though, my bro and I used to talk about that a lot. My mom decided that we were both Republicans because we were iffy on Kerry.

  152. I didn’t think Hillary would get the nod because I didn’t think people would vote for a woman, I have no faith in America, lol

  153. LoL, yeah I don’t find him attractive at all anymore, but that pic of him when he was younger.

    I supported him in 2004, now I feel bad about it. He’d be a better president than what we currently have, but I think my dog could run the country more effectively than the current administration.

  154. newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2007/03/hallelujah_bara.html
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7DGI_IqX24

    CHICAGO MEDIA COVERING UP OBAMA WRIGHT FOOTAGE?

    During the recent media super storm: Obama’s Pastor Disaster, CBS 2 Chicago has strangely not released video they have of Obama at Trinity United Church of Christ for a Book Signing / Church Service with Pastor Wright. According to a Chicago Tribune article, at the Service Obama spoke to the cheering congregation and the choir sang, “Hallelujah Barack”. After the service Wright and Obama sat together, laughing , talking and signing books. Leaving one to wonder, if a republican candidate had this sort of controversy swirling around would the footage have found it’s way to the national and cable news networks by now?

  155. True there is mathematics but there is logic too.
    I can assert to everyone that BO will not win the presidency even if he is pushed through into the nomination. That is the logic. The politicians, who are loudly supporting or spontaneously endorsing BO, are either some sort of losers or speculators (looking forward to 2012 to take over from McCain) I don’t want to name them all but these hypocrites are spoiling the coming four years.
    I fully agree with Hillary’s determination. She must stay in the race and bring a difference in the forthcoming primaries.

  156. Obama better stop with the trying to look manly bit because that can be fatal, the bowling alley thing was a big mistake, i’ve heard several people say what a wuss, can’t even throw a bowling ball.

    Word of advice, keep on making yourself look a chump in front of the men, it will do Hillary a lot of good.

    Send Hill to the nearest bowling alley, video it and say, this is how you throw a bowling ball, putz.

  157. I just saw the most amazing country music video on an old tape i had, that just nearly had me in tears when i think of Hillary because it sums her up so so well.

    Dolly Parton : Eagle when she flies

    If you can find and see this, you’ll understand just what Hillary means to us. This is the sort of thing Hillary should be aiming at women voters.

  158. ABM90–wherever you are. Ya gotta give me a gold star on this one for calling it right. Former Clinton hater Scaife met Hillary, had a very favorable impression and is 75% of the way to endorsing her, but need to give Bambi a pro form protoloical examination first.

    My advice to Mr. Scaife would be to forgo that examination, stipulate to the fact that Barry is an asshole and endorse Hillary right now. But apparently he wants to prolong the suspense.

    The tell was the cordial lunch forme Clinton hater Scaife had with Bill a few months.

    A couple weeks ago I asked whether there were any Republican newspapers in Pittsburg and the answer was no. Well this one sure as hell is. I also asked if there were any Mellons left in the area. Evidently there are.

    Hillary, reassessed

    By Richard M. Scaife
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Monday, March 31, 2008

    Hillary Clinton walked into a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review conference room last Tuesday to meet with some of the newspaper’s editors and reporters and declared, “It was so counterintuitive, I just thought it would be fun to do.”
    The room erupted in laughter. Her remark defused what could have been a confrontational meeting.

    More than that, it said something about the New York senator and former first lady who hopes to be America’s next president.

    More than most modern political figures, Sen. Clinton has been criticized regularly, often harshly, by the Trib. We disagreed with many of her policies and her actions in the past. We still disagree with some of her proposals.

    The very morning that she came to the Trib, our editorial page raised questions about her campaign and criticized her on several other scores.

    Reading that, a lesser politician — one less self-assured, less informed on domestic and foreign issues, less confident of her positions — might well have canceled the interview right then and there.

    Sen. Clinton came to the Trib anyway and, for 90 minutes, answered questions.

    Her meeting and her remarks during it changed my mind about her.

    Walking into our conference room, not knowing what to expect (or even, perhaps, expecting the worst), took courage and confidence. Not many politicians have political or personal courage today, so it was refreshing to see her exhibit both.

    Sen. Clinton also exhibited an impressive command of many of today’s most pressing domestic and international issues. Her answers were thoughtful, well-stated, and often dead-on.

    Particularly regarding foreign policy, she identified what we consider to be the most important challenges and dangers that the next president must confront and resolve in order to guarantee our nation’s security. Those include an increasingly hostile Russia, an increasingly powerful China and increasing instability in Pakistan and South America.

    Like me, she believes we must pull our troops out of Iraq, because it is time for Iraqis to handle their own destiny — and, more important, because it is past time to end the toll on our soldiers there, to begin rebuilding our military, and to refocus our attention on other threats, starting with Afghanistan.

    On domestic policy, Sen. Clinton and I might find more areas on which we disagree. Yet we also agree on others. Asked about the utter failure of federal efforts to rebuild New Orleans since the Katrina disaster, for example, she called it just what it has been — “not just a national disgrace (but) an international embarrassment.”

    Does all this mean I’m ready to come out and recommend that our Democrat readers choose Sen. Clinton in Pennsylvania’s April 22 primary?

    No — not yet, anyway. In fairness, we at the Trib want to hear Sen. Barack Obama’s answers to some of the same questions and to others before we make that decision.

    But it does mean that I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today than before last Tuesday’s meeting — and it’s a very favorable one indeed.

    Call it a “counterintuitive” impression.

    Richard M. Scaife is the owner of the Tribune-Review.

    By Richard M. Scaife
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Monday, March 31, 2008

    Hillary Clinton walked into a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review conference room last Tuesday to meet with some of the newspaper’s editors and reporters and declared, “It was so counterintuitive, I just thought it would be fun to do.”
    The room erupted in laughter. Her remark defused what could have been a confrontational meeting.

    More than that, it said something about the New York senator and former first lady who hopes to be America’s next president.

    More than most modern political figures, Sen. Clinton has been criticized regularly, often harshly, by the Trib. We disagreed with many of her policies and her actions in the past. We still disagree with some of her proposals.

    The very morning that she came to the Trib, our editorial page raised questions about her campaign and criticized her on several other scores.

    Reading that, a lesser politician — one less self-assured, less informed on domestic and foreign issues, less confident of her positions — might well have canceled the interview right then and there.

    Sen. Clinton came to the Trib anyway and, for 90 minutes, answered questions.

    Her meeting and her remarks during it changed my mind about her.

    Walking into our conference room, not knowing what to expect (or even, perhaps, expecting the worst), took courage and confidence. Not many politicians have political or personal courage today, so it was refreshing to see her exhibit both.

    Sen. Clinton also exhibited an impressive command of many of today’s most pressing domestic and international issues. Her answers were thoughtful, well-stated, and often dead-on.

    Particularly regarding foreign policy, she identified what we consider to be the most important challenges and dangers that the next president must confront and resolve in order to guarantee our nation’s security. Those include an increasingly hostile Russia, an increasingly powerful China and increasing instability in Pakistan and South America.

    Like me, she believes we must pull our troops out of Iraq, because it is time for Iraqis to handle their own destiny — and, more important, because it is past time to end the toll on our soldiers there, to begin rebuilding our military, and to refocus our attention on other threats, starting with Afghanistan.

    On domestic policy, Sen. Clinton and I might find more areas on which we disagree. Yet we also agree on others. Asked about the utter failure of federal efforts to rebuild New Orleans since the Katrina disaster, for example, she called it just what it has been — “not just a national disgrace (but) an international embarrassment.”

    Does all this mean I’m ready to come out and recommend that our Democrat readers choose Sen. Clinton in Pennsylvania’s April 22 primary?

    No — not yet, anyway. In fairness, we at the Trib want to hear Sen. Barack Obama’s answers to some of the same questions and to others before we make that decision.

    But it does mean that I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today than before last Tuesday’s meeting — and it’s a very favorable one indeed.

    Call it a “counterintuitive” impression.

    Richard M. Scaife is the owner of the Tribune-Review.

  159. Jen the Michigander Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 12:49 am
    Wright should have finished off Obama. I cannot comprehend how or why it has not. Then again, the voters haven’t had a chance to weigh in yet, as the most recent primary occurred before Wright.

    I think there’s a time lag in the Wright video clips actually getting seen and heard by most voters. MSM and the pundits showed very short clips and then stopped showing them and started talking about BO’s speech instead, and are now claiming no one cares about Wright; they and BO’s supporters are in denial.

    The people who will care most about Wright don’t watch pundits: they have got better things to do Sunday, like going to their own churches.

    Fox is pushing the videos but most Fox viewers already opposed Obama. Talk radio reaches a wider audience, more slowly; soccer moms will eventually hear them in their minivans. Reaction is showing up in local newspapers and from local preachers. Circulation through email takes a while.

    I’ve seen some ‘local reporter visits local hangout’ type of articles that show reaction uniformly against Obama/Wright. I don’t know why those people aren’t showing up in the polls — or whether MSM and BO’s people are cherry-picking the polls they show us.

    A lot of these people may have been against Obama already, but they will be spreading the information to neutrals and supporters too. This is something that has ‘legs’ that don’t depend on any mass media, but slow legs.

  160. Good quick posting thread, no reg, 57 posts so far. About appeal to middle class.

    http://www.topix.net/forum/source/chicago-tribune/TVUT0BGJGVAO6A95L/p3#lastPost

    I posted:
    HIllary went to public school; Obama went to a fancy private school. Hillary has been helping middle class people all her professional life. Obama’s ‘community organizing’ was in back street inner city Chicago, where you organize riots to get potholes fixed. His supporters called him a “master of agitation” using the methods of “rub raw the sores of discontent” and no one has cited anything he actually accomplished that way (see
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html… ) He’s been 20 years in a church that preaches against “middleclassness.”

  161. B Merry,
    Any chanceof something, anything breaking that could finally, once and for all, derail the BO-train?

  162. Iam not sure if there is anything that will stick to Obama. The Democratic Party and the Media want him as the nominee, those two are a very difficult force to overcome. The only way Hillary will get the nomineation is for Obama to drop out!

  163. New Backing for Obama As Party Seeks Unity

    WASHINGTON — Slowly but steadily, a string of Democratic Party figures is taking Barack Obama’s side in the presidential nominating race and raising the pressure on Hillary Clinton to give up.

    online.wsj.com/article/SB120692054573175525.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox

  164. mj: winning is great, but at this point too late, I keep waiting for that “shoe” to drop for Rezkowatch.

  165. JAS Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 8:29 am
    As I have said there will have to be a young boy or a dead hooker in his bed, THAT won’t happen.

    Ok, well then bye. You clearly don’t think she can win so what the heck are you doing here?

  166. mj: I am just stating the obovious, being realistic. THAT does not mean I don’t beleive in Hillary and her camapgine!

  167. It’s not obvious or realistic. Christ, there are ten states left to way in. They are neck in neck. The only one who wants you to see it as obvious is Obama’s team.

  168. Okay…. she wins all the remaining states by say and average of, 9%. Would she be ahead in the delegate count?

  169. I don’t know JAS, but she’ll be ahead in the popular vote. No one can win enough pledged delegates, and pledged delegate doesn’t mean anything. They can almost all vote how ever the hell they want at convention.

  170. how the hell has the polls gone to give him a 10 point lead, This is not good and I’m afraid that this poll was rigged to give the sd’s the boost to go right now.
    I just don’t get it at all.

    Someone has to do a real poll…this is out in the media now and it’s going to hurt. thats the fact. something has to be done to staunch this.

    Damn I’ll never vote for party that I was raised in EVER again if they get away with this theft.

  171. Jesus, you asked if she wins the remaining states. I f she wins the remaining states she will clearly be ahead in the popular vote. As it is, when you include FL she’s just marginally behind.

  172. mj: okay i understand the popular vote comment. I still say when the Democratic party and the MSM don’t want you, then there is big issues, should she stay in??? YES fight to the convention, the SD are so stupid, don’t they know if Obama is the nominee, Karl Rove will eat him for dinner? Bottom line Hillary should stay in, the outcome is not what we want.

  173. I see Obama will be on Hardball this Wednesday, is Hillary going to do Hardball (I think it would be a good idea).

  174. If Hillary does not stay in the race it makes a mockery of the entire super delegate and primary process. It will be obvious that the actual will of the voters is not as important as who can get the most Democratic DC elites behind them. It will also show that for all the talk there really isn’t a super delegate process at all when they apparently just rubber stamp the person ahead in delegates (and before the convention no less).

    If a vast majority of super delegates were for Obama it would be over by now as they would all openly announce. I do worrry that the DNC big wigs (Dean, Pelosi, Brazile) plus the Obama camp are pulling out all the stops to get them to swing over. After all, if Obama has no qualms about thrreatening black SD’s so who knows what they are telling the remaining uncommitteds.

    That 10 pt lead in the polls out recently can be disheartening but remember that was most likely taken during the height of Hillary’s Bosnia flap. I personally think that this is the time for Hillary to really come out swinging. There is an entire propaganda campaign going on against her and she needs to show that this won’t be accepted.

  175. I hope they go at Obama on Hardball. It will be a high rated broadcast…this is one of the first times in my life that I am rooting for Sean Hannity.

    I posted last night…I think the SD’s for Obama were announced now as a group to make it look like a “wave” of endorsements. Each state primary there have been SD’s endorsing both Obama and Hillary. I think the Obama camp is getting there’s out ahead of the upcoming primaries for propaganda purposes.
    Hillary should do the same thing….

  176. mj, I think it was Gallup poll that had Obama ahead but it was taken during the height of the Bosnia flap. I don’t think things have changed with the head to head McCain/Hillary/Obama match-ups which show Obama not doing as well as Hillary.

    The national poll fluctuates all the time so it’s not something to obsess over.

  177. Ahh, early morning brain fog. Sorry about that…that’s right–Chris Matthews… ARGGGGG, that will be a love fest. Matthews will be all aglow…

  178. I would love for Obama to go on Hannity and Combs…wouldn’t you? 😉 He doesn’t have the courage….

  179. Gallup had Obama ahead by 10 points. Chris Matthews, well, I think he will play softball with him. Obama played last weekend, saying she should get out, that made Hillary spend all weekend off message, now they are saying her campaign bills are not being paid, he will not stop at anything!!

  180. So? None of that matters. I don’t think Hill was off message over the weekend. She fairs best when she is seen as the struggler.

  181. I had dinner with my family last night and we all agreed that this election has set back race realations by 25 years. We were suprised that some (not all) of the black churchs have such bad feelings about the USA, and white people.

  182. Her Campaign had to spend time talking about Hillary staying in the race… time they could have talked about issues!!

  183. I can’t think that in the general election people will ignore Obama’s church. This is an issue of judgement and what his basic race philosophy is all about. People haven’t seen the RNC ads yet. Remember, no one thought Kerry could be damaged but the ads by the swiftboaters got him in the end. It’s a different ball game when you are looking for nationwide votes.

    One observation…Dean was on the news in the past few days encouraging the camps to be less harsh. Obviously that is a lie as the drumbeat by Obama surrogates asking for Hillary to step down is still ongoing. I heard Kerry on the radio this morning. Obviously Dean is turning a blind eye to it or it would stop.

  184. JAS: “… Chris Matthews, well, I think he will play softball with him. Obama played last weekend, saying she should get out, that made Hillary spend all weekend off message, now they are saying her campaign bills are not being paid, he will not stop at anything!!”

    I think Chris Matthews should lay it on him with Rezko and Wright.
    I didn’t notice she spent all weekend off topic…..seems to me she has spent it talking about issues also.

    You’re right Obama and his supporters will not stop at anything to bring negative attention to Hillary in any way possible to any website possible.

    This is why we have this site here…to talk positive about Hillary, to encourage one another and to ensure she becomes president.

  185. I am not sure mj. I hope she is feeling better… I think everybody here misses her opinions and contributions.

  186. we are $724,000 short on her goal of 3 mil in 3 days. It’ll happen. I’m so proud that she doesn’t pound her online for goals that she knows her demo base can’t come up with. Thank you Hillary.

  187. Pittsburgh paper does an article on babi and wright 😀

    “obama’s indoctrination”
    pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_559720.html

  188. dedfg: It has been down since late yesterday for service. PI is ugly. BO and Hillary supporters are polarized. Some posters come up with inflammatory headlines, that I have posted links to refute the lies. I stay away from Obamarama, and the Hillary people mostly post in her thread. I have posted links to many of the articles and pictures, from this site. The Hillary people are amazed at the hostility of the BO people. I have put “AGA…” on ignore, because she distorts information and tries to bait people. This election has divided people.

  189. birdgal: I thought that “AGA…” was not supposed to post in a Hillary thread.

    I’m with you as far as how hostile BO people are. It’s almost like they have nothing to stand on because of his lack of experience, so they have to go down the hostile route.

    I miss that forum though because there was a specific thread for Hillary….and of course I like it there in general.

  190. the big Dem endorsements for BO in NC was a bunch of hooey too. haha

    just another media hype to try to make Hillary look bad.

    I’m swore off tv till Pa is over. I swear it is giving me bad nerves

    I’m getting ready to do my calling and I’m going to call Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Patrick Leahy and demand he apologize to Hillary on tv, Dodd as well. We need to keep the heat on them. They are trying to trample our constitution and stifle the votes of our democracy

  191. Aga… does not post in the Hillary thread, but when she posts in other threads, she is doing the same thing ie distorting and baiting people. Louis holds his own, and I have sent personal messengers warning other people of her behavior. When she was gone for about a month, it was better. she is a trouble maker, according to another poster. Over the weekend, I helped to keep the Hillary thread going, by posting links to pictures of events in Indiana, a list of quotes from a poster here, and 2 you tube links, including, “I Need Hillary.” A few people have thanked me, for doing so. The response was not, as great, when I posted the petition for Dean to resign. People said, “Why? What has he done?” I did tell one person about this site, and a couple of others about Taylor Marsh.

  192. sharpie tough .. she’ll shut it down if necessary. might be a good idea. you know WHO is the biggest bunch in PI causing trouble..

  193. dot: do you still have my e-mail? I trashed yours, by mistake. Could you send me yours, via personal message on the other board?

  194. well….I don’t have premier access and now after what I have heard from you guys, and since it’s the end of the season, I guess I won’t get one.

  195. dot,

    browsing and hearing the HRC ‘take it’to the convention” stance is causing delegates to commit to BO coz they’re afraid of the party being destroyed.

    whaddaya think about that perspective?

    And haven’t you noticed hannity and crew backing off the vetting? what’s up with that?

  196. now i can understand the hypocracy in american democracy… hahaha its joke the way it is being manipulated by few media people and party big weights…

  197. @basil9.. if you watch fox news they have been very -ve to hillary for the last couple of days… its all part of game first they want to take out HRC… because they have plan ready to destory BHO when he is nominee and they don’t want HRC to be nominee and they don’t have plan to confront HRC if she is the nominee…

  198. ohh yeah… india is lot better democratic country… what people think of ruling parties reflect in election results… hahaha no media can manipulate the elections… 🙂

  199. >>someone threatened to kill Hannity’s dog first and then ….

    so why is not big news if he was getting death threats…

  200. CNN poll “Who is the biggest exaggerator?”

    cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/28/cartoon.clicks/index.html

    of course the bambibots have attacked this big time, so……..it’s up to us to do ours 😀

  201. jith,
    i agree completely. And we have the NERVE to try and force other countries to become “democracies.’

    Dot, The counter on the HRC homepage is horrible. They SHOULDN’T show the number of donors OR the time left and they should ONLY show the money bar!!!!!!

    The time and donor counter make the drive look desperate.

  202. >>i agree completely. And we have the NERVE to try and force other countries to become “democracies.’

    thats why china tells america to just STFU…

  203. http://www.rasmussenreports.com

    I am at a lost why Gallup and Ras are reporting opposites. In todays Ras poll Hill is up 1 and Obama is down 1. Waiting for the Gallup poll around 2pm.

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
    Monday, March 31, 2008
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    In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, it’s Obama 46% Clinton 43% (see recent daily results). Clinton leads by thirteen points among White voters including a twenty-seven point advantage among White Women. Obama leads among White Men, has an overwhelming advantage among African-Americans, and a solid lead among voters under 50. Among Democrats, Clinton leads by seven. Among unaffiliated voters likely to participate in a Democratic Primary, Obama leads by a two-to-one margin.

  204. Relax, basil. I like seeing the number of donors. And, the time thing is great. I think people on her blog really like those functions.

    BO is down to a 3 point lead on Ras so Gallop is probably a huge outlier.

  205. fox news heading obama scores again… he lost 2 delegates from texas caucus… no one reports that…

  206. SO is this an indication of how the next 3 weeks are gonna be? Deflect diffuse distract and support BO while chip-chip=chipping away at HRC?

    it’s like the Wright issue never came up. The Rezko thing is so complicated that most people won’t be able to follow it’s significance. I mean, for god’s sake, if they can’t connect the dots between Wright, BO, NOI, Farrakhan, NBPP, Ayers, khaddafi, how are they gonna follow the rezko money trail.

    I Need some cheering-on, Dot. 🙁

  207. i read in media that BO is related to Brad Pitt from his mother side… i ask the media why don’t they try to find out who is he related to from his father side… we know that his father is arab and you might know some shocking details… hahahahaha 🙂

  208. they say he is cousin to dick cheney… blah blah.. he might be cousin to osama as well… who knows… hahahaha

  209. call superdelegates and call states. Thats all I know to do. It’s US against the BASTARDS. Simple. If he’s the nominee we are stuck in shit till November and then we have another republican (which I can personally live with) so, I’m in till the last dawg dies.

    the Kerrys, Deans, Kennedys have sunk the party. they are the ones out to destory Hillary because they are afraid a pussy can run the white house better than any dick who ever sat behind the desk. That is the way it is.

  210. jithendra> Like it or not public polls such as CNN and Am. Media they do shape and influence the minds of voters who are less likely to scrutinize media or polls for truths.

  211. Morning all–it is 8:45 on the west coast.

    I have a dairy up at mydd that is very personal and from my heart.

    It is called “Typical White People” I wish you would take a look and recommend it if you like it. I think it says a lot about how white people feel about being called “Typical White People.”

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

  212. @mj… americans should care who obama’ related to because he is running for president… this i-don’t-care-who-the-person-is attitude is costing a lot i believe… in plain and simple words chicago dirty pols will take over this country when obama is in WH… they will appoint judges and try to influence the country in whatever way they can that is beneficial to them.. there is an article about his god father emilie jones jr on fox news… people like him will have lot of say once obama is in WH…

  213. Another Senator, some ass clown from Minn. has endorsed BO. Amazing how the old boys club once again r ears it ugly head. Nonetheless, we must forge ahead and win big in Penn. and some of the other remaining states.
    I have to believe Hillary/Bill know something we don’t or have one last bit of the Clinton machine magic that will turn the tide. I know something will definitely be done to give Fl. and MI some representation as the dems simply can’t afford to alienate these states and hope to win.
    Lets keep the faith and fuck all the disloyal pricks/pundis/politicians who are trying to take the voices away of over 10 million Americans .

  214. The president of the Illinois Senate is sitting in his statehouse office, talking in gravelly tones about political strategies and counter-strategies. Out of nowhere, the theme from “The Godfather” begins playing.

    It turns out to be the ringtone on his cell phone — an appropriate song for the man who amounts to Barack Obama’s political godfather.

    Emil Jones Jr. helped Obama master the intricacies of the Legislature. When Democrats took control of the state Senate, Jones, though he risked offending colleagues who had toiled futilely on key issues under Republican rule, tapped Obama to take the lead on high-profile legislative initiatives that he now boasts about in his presidential campaign.

    And when Obama wanted a promotion to the U.S. Senate, Jones provided critical support that gave the little-known legislator legitimacy, keeping him from being instantly trampled by the front-runners.

    “He’s been indispensable to Barack’s career. He wants to see a black president before he gets called home,” said fellow state Sen. Rickey Hendon, a Democrat.

    While Obama got vital help from Jones, the two men have sharply different political styles, and Jones may not be a political asset in a White House campaign.

    Jones, 72, is an unabashedly old-school politician. A former sewer inspector for the city of Chicago, Jones has relatives on the state payroll, steers state grants to favorite organizations and uses his clout to punish enemies and bury GOP legislation.

    Obama supporters see the alliance as an example of Obama’s ability to get things done by working with all kinds of people. Critics see it as hypocrisy — Obama refusing to speak out against the kinds of abuse he claims to oppose.

    “His voting record is down-the-line unquestioned support of the Cook County machine,” said Steve Rauschenberger, a former Republican state senator.

    The two first met in the mid-1980s. Jones was already in the state Senate and Obama was a young community organizer on Chicago’s South Side.

    Obama apparently didn’t think much of Jones. In his memoir “Dreams from My Father,” Obama dismisses him as “an old ward heeler” who had little clout left after backing the wrong candidate.

    But Jones was impressed by Obama and cooperated with Obama’s Developing Communities Project on some issues. Later, Obama was elected to the state Senate, where Jones was then the minority leader and most powerful black member of the Legislature.

    “When he first came, we sat down and he said to me, ‘You know I like to work hard. Feel free to hand me any tough assignments on legislation,”‘ Jones recalls. “That was unusual, for a person to say ‘I like to work.”‘

    Jones gave him a chance, assigning Obama to a bipartisan task force in charge of drafting ethics legislation.

    It was not a glamor job. Obama would be asking legislators to accept new restrictions and asking good-government groups to compromise, leaving no one entirely happy. But legislators ended up passing the state’s first major ethics overhaul in years, including limits on gifts to officials.

    Jones also let Obama work on establishing a state version of the federal Earned Income Tax Credit and lobby Republicans to soften their legislation adding work requirements to the state welfare system — an effort that ended with GOP senators praising Obama.

    Several senators said Jones and Obama, who represented neighboring Chicago districts, weren’t particularly close. They didn’t socialize much, and the legislative opportunities he gave to Obama were similar to those available to other promising senators.

    But their relationship changed in 2002.

    It was clear that Democrats were going to win a majority in the state Senate that fall, making Jones the Senate president. And then the campaign machinery would start cranking again, with a long line of people looking to run for the U.S. Senate in 2004.

    Obama approached Jones with an unexpected proposal: Use your new clout to back me for U.S. Senate.

    “It clicked and made sense,” Jones said.

    Obama had the personality and intelligence to succeed, Jones said, but he needed a major political figure in his corner — someone who could get unions, county chairmen and potential donors to consider the new guy with the strange name instead of quickly endorsing another candidate.

    “He needed someone who could give him credibility,” Jones said.

    An Obama victory would give Jones some of the credibility that other politicians had gained by showing they could put people in office. “President Jones said something to me like, ‘Hey, if they can do it, I can do it,”‘ Hendon recalled.

    As Senate president, Jones assigned Obama to handle major, headline-grabbing legislation.

    At a time when flaws in the state’s death penalty system had created a furor, Obama was picked to negotiate a bill requiring police to record their interrogations in murder cases. He was also put in charge of long-discussed legislation to curb racial profiling in traffic stops and was a key player in a new ethics overhaul.

    These were complicated issues and Obama’s Senate hopes could have been damaged if he had failed. But he passed them all with overwhelming support and still cites them as evidence of his ability to find common ground among groups with sharp differences.

    State Sen. Donne Trotter, D-Chicago, laughingly accuses Jones of a little “bill-jacking” — taking issues that other senators had been working on and giving them to Obama. Trotter, for instance, said he had hoped to be named chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee but the job went to Obama instead.

    In an e-mail, Obama described Jones “a powerful advocate for those who need a voice” and someone with “passion for public service.”

    Critics offer a different picture.

    When Jones married a state employee, she suddenly got a 60 percent raise. His son got a state job that wasn’t advertised to the public. A nephew and stepson got computer consulting jobs from a college that received a $4.5 million grant for computing needs.

    He has blocked bills sponsored by legislators who challenge him, and dug up an obscure Senate rule to reverse the passage of a consumer-friendly measure opposed by electric companies that had donated to his campaign.

    Abner Mikva, a longtime Obama friend and former legal counsel to President Bill Clinton, rejects the idea that Obama should shun Jones and other similar politicians.

    He argues Obama was smart to learn from Jones and pass important laws with him, while keeping a distance from Jones’ ethical problems.

    “Purists usually end up dying pure but without many accomplishments,” he said. “True reformers learn how to build coalitions.”

  215. # linfar Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Hi pm, Yes. linfar and lin farley are the same.
    ———————–

    Wow! that piece is powerful. I thought of my own father when I read it. He was a very principled man and he had a brother who worked in a department that took bribes all the time (in India) and in one conversation I was putting down such practices and my dad asked me what I would have done if it was him working in that department — I told him that that could never be and if it was, I would have been very ashamed — his face was beaming just as I said it. He is the reason for where I am today.

    I remember your other diary on the 5 O’Clock shift (?) and that was moving as well. Please keep writing.

  216. LOL “Obama supporters see the alliance as an example of Obama’s ability to get things done by working with all kinds of people.”

  217. “browsing and hearing the HRC ‘take it’to the convention” stance is causing delegates to commit to BO coz they’re afraid of the party being destroyed.”

    Basil, geez! Enough already! If I wanted to hear this manipulative garbage I would go over to those sites that are so pro-Obama vultures.

    As far as needing cheering up, sigh…Hillary is working day and night to get this thing done. If anyone needs our support/cheering up it is her…not you…

  218. Thank you pm. It was hard to write. And now it is getting attacked hard by the obamabots over at mydd.

    Please, please people go and recommend it, if you can.

    This one is worth it. It is real serious talk about race, about the way many white people have stood up around race and the way Obama is undermining this.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

  219. thank you for saying that pm. I appreciate it.

    One person commented: this is like real, adult talk about race. I liked that.

    This one was hard to write, and I felt scared. It is like Obama has challenged my whole life and made me reexamine everything.

    Please people, don’t let the obamabots kill it which is what they are aiming to do. they know Obama is vulnerable on the “Typical White Person” statement. And they are slamming it hard.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

  220. Hey pm, that is a nice story about you and your father. Those things mean so much don’t they? Sometimes, I still l can’t believe that given where my Dad came from, he did what he did. He was a fine man.

  221. Dean, Obama and the Republicans:
    huffingtonpost.com/wayne-barrett/could-the-republicans-pic_b_94158.html

    Ok, Jan, try this. And, thank you, the hand wringing is driving me nuts:
    latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-health30mar30,1,6541075.story

  222. He’s a liar. See a pattern……

    On Reverend Wright: Dis-invites Wright to speak at his rally announcing his candidacy. Saying to Wright….well you can get kind of rough in your sermons – this according to a Wright interview with the NYT.

    From the initial interviews following the release of the Wright tapes: In his first interview following the start of the scandal with Keith Olberman he says he didn?t become aware of these statements until he started his Presidential run, pretty much what he said on Huffington Post.

    Then on Fox in response to a question from Major Garrett he says he heard ?1 or 2? after he started his presidential run but not enough to get rid of him. He said he never heard the most recent stuff until these tapes started going around. In his interview with Anderson Cooper, he admited that he listened to tapes of Wrights sermons while he was at Harvard Law School.

    From his speech in Philadelphia: “Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

    From his book Audacity of Hope – he quotes one of the sermons… “It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere -That’s the world! On which hope sits!” And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House.

  223. linfar,

    What a beautiful and very meaningful diary. Your experiences and those are your father make me want to cry.

  224. Oh, I’m sooooo happy! Maya has her poem up on Hill’s blog:

    blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/03/31/154530#view_comments

  225. To all of you posters, Hillary fighters, the media, et al who are being threatened with violence by the bullies in this election, my heart goes out to all of you.

    This is an important moment in history. It could be the difference between getting the U.S.A. back to where it needs to be or having it continue on a downward spiral by electing a man with no moral conscience and even less qualified experience to do the job than even Bush has.

    Bravo to all of you! You are the true heroes of this election! 🙂 🙂

  226. No doubt the ones that are announcing for Obama todayand yesterday had already been in Bambi court, they were waiting for the right time to come out! I am sure there are more for Hillary, just waiting for the right time to come out for her! Don’t you think? I don’t think we ought to worry yet, she laid down the gauntlet last wednesday and doofcock dean laid down his answer friday, so we are just airing out the ones that have always been on their team!! I think we should not worry and quit watching those polls!!

  227. JanH–thank you.

    Thank you. It is so scary to put yourself out there like that diary does.

    And the obamatrons are really trying to kill it. They don’t want people saying the truth. That white people have stood up against racism–sometimes at great personal cost.

    MLK was about black and white together. TOGETHER. Obama is ripping this legacy and tramping on it.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

    Anyone, if you haven’t, please go and rec this one:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

  228. basil,

    there you go again. I never said to sign off. I don’t even have that kind of influence on anyone nor do I want it. I gave my opinion.

  229. mj,
    so you’re the only one around here whose allowed to handwring? You’ve done enough of that for the entire board for weeks.
    And janH,
    Scroll past my posts if you don’t like them. I don’t need nasty comments from you. Why don’t you save them for the obamabots.
    If sharing information is considered handwringing and sticking your head in the sand instead of addressing what’s out there isn’t accepted here then I guess the kool-ade has done it’s work.
    And if you don’t want to encourage a fellow HRC supporter and instead think you should scold them for not always sucking it up, like I said, scroll on past.

  230. When I was at the county convention Saturday, they gave me a Texas democrat sticker for my truck, I am putting it on and will put a McCain sticker on right beside it if they make Hillary get out before the votes are counted in Florida and Michigan!!

  231. Basil,

    Don’t you dare go anywhere. We all get excited. We are like family here–and family tell each other stuff, right?

  232. From a poster at Politico today….

    After seeing the before and after answers on the questionaires Obama put his name on, they reveal, in stark contrast, what he will say to get elected (when you’re watching), and how he wants to govern (when its too late); Before:Mature, pragmatic, man of the people. Just a nice, regular guy. After: Anti-America, anti-capitalist, big government liberal, ie: Marxist.

    Guys, that is why they are pushing so hard. BO’s supporters fear a big win in PA that will change the narrative. They also sense (not from the polls that poll hardcore dems but from the feeling out in the general electorate) that the zeitgeist is starting to shift. I see it myself. The vast majority of posters at Politico used to be slavering fools for BO. Now the tone is pretty negative. That is why they are pushing so hard now – they sense her strength.

    We must steps up our efforts in response – call PA, visit a state if you can, donate if you can, write a SD, write an editorial. Stand Tall. I will post again my favorite WC quote….

    Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
    Sir Winston Churchill, Speech, 1941, Harrow School

  233. Basil, we all know what Obama is doing. He’s trying to make himself appear inevitable. So we know how well that worked out for Hill. I just don’t see the point of getting bogged down in the final strech.

    Today’s Ras:

    42 Obama
    40 Hill

    So, Dem’s are undecided. That’s not good news for a supposed front runner.

  234. tell me something people, I read where bambi has 20,000 people at his speech somewhere is pennsylvania. Don’t you think some of these are shipped in from Illinois?

  235. Basil,

    If anything, your post just now to me was 10 times nastier than anything I have ever said to you. I’m fine with scrolling past your posts. If you want to whine go right, ahead. If you want to support, go right ahead.

    I commented on one thing and one thing only. I’ll apologize if it makes you feel better and just keep my thoughts to myself from now on. Obviously not welcome.

  236. vote in aol straw poll. new poll up today.

    news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/24/aol-straw-poll-march-24-31/?ncid=NWS00010000000001

    Thank you, Ann

    My new motto:

    Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
    Sir Winston Churchill, Speech, 1941, Harrow School

    I will replace my hand wringing and tears, with the above statement.

    Someone ought to send that to Hannity. Anyone have his address?

  237. BO’s a liar….see a pattern?

    BO’s a liar…..see a pattern?

    From the Sun Times, Nov, 2006:

    Q: How many fundraisers has Mr. Rezko hosted for you? Were these all in his home? How much would you estimate he has raised for your campaigns?

    A: He hosted one event at his home in 2003 for my U.S. Senate campaign. He participated as a member of a host committee for several other events. My best estimate was that he raised somewhere between $50,000 and $60,000.

    But it turns out that number isn’t even close, and it’s now being reported as upwards of 200,000, and some of that was given illegally – and much of it after Rezko was in trouble.

    An ABC News review of campaign records shows Rezko, and people connected to him, contributed more than $120,000 to Obama’s 2004 campaign for the U.S. Senate, much of it at a time when Rezko was the target of an FBI investigation.

    “It surprised me that late in the game he [Obama] continued to take contributions from somebody who was under a rather dark cloud in the state,” said Cynthia Canary of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform, a group that has worked closely with Obama and supported his legislative efforts.

    A recent LA Times piece:

    By Dan Morain, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    March 3, 2008

    Between the first $2,000 state Senate donation and the 2004 U.S. Senate race, Rezko raised at least $200,000 for him, a Times analysis shows. Obama, seeking to distance himself from his patron, has donated $160,000 in Rezko-related contributions to charity.

  238. My one wish is the Hillarlly will start speaking to the media farce in her rallies. TAKE it to the people and tell them to listen to HER on her stump speech and to turn off the tv pundits who continue to want to bury her. Tell them to use THEIR own head and not listen to the pundits who are out to stir trouble it

  239. outlier? what you mean?

    Any new updates on the money meter, I only see the sign the petition part

  240. There is only one thing to be construed today, Obama and his devil’s disciples are making their move on Hil, dodgy polls, endorsements, ratchetiong up the dirt, they want her out bad.

  241. BASIL,

    DO NOT F*CKING THINK YOU ARE GOING ANYWHERE…

    we love you on this site, you add alot and your damn entertaining…

    just move on… 🙂

  242. Moonpluto: that is so true. She is a real threat to them. they want her out, before she kicks ass in PA.

  243. linfar, (or anyone else)
    That was a great mydd post. As you can see, I have a amassed some detail on BO’s inconsistencies re: wright, rezko, voting and now – this liberal questionaire thing. I think it would make a great diary but I don’t have an account over at mydd. Want to collaborate?

  244. what is making me mad is that the pundits are comparing what is happening now and what happened in 1980. They say people just like us threatening to cross over and vote republicans and then they didn’t. I don’t know about you guys, but I am about as serious as a heart attack! I will crossover and will not be back!

  245. sounds like somebody is messing with the website.

    confloyd you getting call texas delegates??? Thats done I believe

    Need to know what is happening with the site.

  246. \from no quarter:
    ——————————————

    [Elizabeth] Edwards said she favored Hillary Rodham Clinton’s healthcare plan over Barack Obama’s.

    “Sen. Clinton’s plan is a great plan” that closely resembles John Edwards’ proposal, she said. Clinton’s plan mandates that every American be insured. Elizabeth Edwards said only universal healthcare would resolve one of the problems plaguing the healthcare system — its soaring cost.

    “Until we get rid of the need for hospitals and other providers to cover the costs of people who are not covered . . . the overall cost is not going to go down,” she said. “The only real cost savings comes when you have universality.”

  247. Ann, thanks, MJ, thanks!

    We have to work hard because unfortunately people do fall for these like this. I was not exactly surprised with Leahy, Richardson, and Casey as they want to help bring back the momentum to Obama’s camp after he suffered the Wright controversy which is far from over. People are questioning his judgment or lack thereof for continuing to be a part of his congretation after 20 or so years. But we have to work on what’s being REPORTED because these are what is being ‘read’ by the people. its up to the grassroots to work hard to say HEY ITS FAR FROM OVER!

    As for Obama, he had 20,000 people at PSU (look at Hardball, its doing Campus Tour and Obama will be on Wednesday) and we all know MSNBC loves Obama. Plus some said Obama wanted to have a full stadium so to prove that his campaign isn’t over, oh please it is!

  248. Yes Ann, I seem to never get that money chart, I always get the same old one! I don’t know why its happening, except those nasty obamamaniacs, they are horrible!

  249. confloyd Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    ann, where is the money meter, all i get is the page that says call texas delegates? where is it?

    I see it immediately when I go to hillaryclinton.com. On the home page.

  250. Donna Brazile, Sunday morning on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” pointed out that, anyone with math skills can see that those delegates are not going to be recognized, because the credentials committee will be dominated by members from states won by Barak Obama.
    Brazile : I think we have an exit strategy in the Democratic party to end the primary season on June 10th… that’s the end of the primary season based on the rules, and after all this is about the rules…. So sometime before July 4th, I am clear that the superdelegates will break one way or another and this thing will end… Whoever is coming up with this new strategy is not looking at the map again. Howard Dean has already appointed 25 members [of the credentials committeee]. The states will send 3 persons, 3 people to the convention, on the credentials committee. Obama has won more states.
    Stephanopoulos: Far more.
    Brazile: Far more. So, do the math…
    Stephanopoulos: This is an important point…You’re saying unless there’s some dramatic change, some dramatic Obama collapse, that Clinton can’t win at the credentials committee.
    Brazile: Forty-eight states complied with the rules. Why would they all of a sudden change the rules?

    I went to the convention rules, published by the Democratic National Committee, and they state:
    (Sec VII., A 1, under “Standing Committees on Platform, Rules and Credentials of the 2008 Deomcratic National Convention”):
    A. Membership: Subject to Rule 20.C. of the Delegate Selection Rules, each standing committee
    shall be composed of:
    1. Base: A base of 161 members, casting 158 votes, allocated to the states and territories in
    accordance with the same distribution formula used to allocate delegates to the
    Democratic National Convention.
    Section B2 goes on to state they will be elected by each states delegation.
    In other words Brazile’s basic statement, that the Credentials Committee is made up of 3 members per state, is wrong. It’s made up a delegation of 158 votes, allocated to each state in the same proportion as the pledged delegates are.
    What does this change? It could change much; each state elects their own credential committee members; and Clinton won states with the most Electoral College votes. She just might have a majority on the Credential Committee right now. Update in a few after I do some more addition.
    UPDATE II: As of right now (based on already resolved state primaries), from these states: New Hampshire, Nevada, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Ohio: Clinton will have 61.44 votes on the Credentials Committee.
    From these states: Iowa, South Carolina, Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Texas, Utah, Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, DC, Maryland, Virginia, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Vermont, Wyoming, Mississippi, Obama will have 70.22 votes on the credentials committee.
    States I haven’t counted in: Pennsylvania, Guam, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, South Dakota, Democrats Abroad, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, which make up 26.33 votes remaining.
    Thus, there is a razor thin margin here, where indeed Clinton has more of a chance in a credentials fight than Donna Brazille’s (incorrect) division of votes. With the 25 DNC members, and 26.33 members still to be elected in future primaries, a majority on the credentials committee can be had by either candidate.
    The credentials committee will submit their majoity report to the convention floor, which will state who is credentialed and who is not. Further to the DNC rules (in the same document above, Sec VII, B, 2), a minority of the committee composed of only 20% of its membership may submit a minority report, which will be voted on at the convention floor, too.
    dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/30/125512/545/1006/487172

    As of right now (based on already resolved state primaries), from these states: New Hampshire, Nevada, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Ohio: Clinton will have 61.44 votes on the Credentials Committee.
    From these states: Iowa, South Carolina, Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Texas, Utah, Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington, Maine, DC, Maryland, Virginia, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Vermont, Wyoming, Mississippi, Obama will have 70.22 votes on the credentials committee.
    States I haven’t counted in: Pennsylvania, Guam, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, South Dakota, Democrats Abroad, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, which make up 26.33 votes remaining.
    Thus, there is a razor thin margin here, where indeed Clinton has more of a chance in a credentials fight than Donna Brazille’s (incorrect) division of votes. With the 25 DNC members, and 26.33 members still to be elected in future primaries, a majority on the credentials committee can be had by either candidate.
    w w w . talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/183834/429

    So who is the Credentials Committee?

    Every standing committee of the Convention has three chairs and its membership includes twenty-five party leaders/elected officials nominated by Howard Dean and 161 other members elected by the state delegations. The three chairs for the 2008 Credentials Committee are Alexis Herman, James Roosevelt Jr., and Eliseo Roques-Arroyo. None of the three donated to any of the presidential campaigns, though Alexis Herman did donate to Clinton’s Senate campaign. All three are also unaffiliated super delegates. More interesting however, is that Alexis Herman was Labor Secretary under President Clinton and Roosevelt was an Associate Commissioner in the Clinton-era Social Security Administration. Of the 25 party leaders and elected officials, three were Clinton super delegates at the time of this writing. The chairs and party leaders/elected officials will not have full control over the outcome of committee decisions, but they will have a lot of influence.

    The make-up of the Credentials Committee chairs helps define the problem for Obama going into the convention. Many of those attending have worked for or with the Clintons at one time or another. That does not guarantee they will support Senator Clinton, but it certainly gives the Clinton campaign an edge in wheeling and dealing at the Convention. That edge, both on the Credentials Committee and with the Convention as a whole, could be all Senator Clinton needs if the campaign goes to Denver.

    h t t p / / maryland-politics.blogspot.com/2008/02/intrigue-at-democratic-national.html

  251. I am sick of this, does anyone have that number again for the dnc, I need to write it down! I want to tell them exactly how I feel about Howie telling her to get out of the race!!

  252. Just heard on Limbaugh, a gentleman called in and said that he was completely disgusted with the media fawning over Obama. Rush asked him ifhew as for Hillary, and he said yes.
    Rush said, if they continue to treat her like a girl (he is evil but smart)) and she doesn’t get in, what will you do.

    He said, I can tell you that the state of NY will go for McCain overwhelmingly.

    After the man hung up, Rush said, just as I thought, I trust my instincts and they have nevr been wrong.

    We are going off a clift with Obama and pissing off Hill’s supporters. I can feel it. At http://www.pollster.com, Mickey Kaus wrote an article about the ‘reverse Bradley effect’ regarding Gallup polling. Makes for an interesting read.

  253. Just saw the new Yahoo website “Shine” (for women) mentioned on TV. I wonder if this provides our candidate an opportunity. As usual, I know nothing about it at this point

  254. He’ll say anything to get elected…..pandering to whatever people want to hear. Witness the “liberal questionaire” scandal breaking on Politico.

    He’ll do anything to get elected. Disenfranchising 4 M voters in FL and MI, throwing his grandmother under the bus to justify the crazy America-hating rants of his pastor.

    He’ll take money from anywhere to get elected….even a known political huckster and indicted slumlord.

    He’ll play the race card to get elected……”bamboozling and hoodwinking and okie-doking” his way all through the south. Having his henchmen shake down AA SDs.

  255. Guys, for all of you who visit or post over at http://www.taylormarsh.com, please take up Professor Heidi’s challenge and post the receiptover at TM’s site or you MUST donate through her link.

    I’ve donated twice this past weekend and her match went to Taylor Marsh. She is legit. We all just want to help Hill get up to $3m today. Please donate

    *******************************
    Dear all,
    For those who want to emphasize the positive and show respect, I’d like to propose one more match program in honor of Maya Angelou and her beautiful poem.

    We all know that Senator Clinton wants to hit and surpass $3 million by midnight tonight. Here’s what I propose: for every donation made to Senator Clinton via THIS LINK http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/ETCV,
    I will make a matching donation to the Maya Angelou Research Center on Minority Health, http://tinyurl.com/2wvknj, at Wake Forest where Dr. Angelou also holds a genuine professorship.

    If you use the link above no need to send me a receipt. If you want to see the match receipt for my contribution to the Maya Angelou Research Center or would like me to memorialize or honor you or somebody you know when I match, please email via my blog or website, http://www.heidilifeldman.com.

    I hope we can do some good this way. Spread the word!

    Best to all.
    HLF | Homepage | 03.31.2008 – 1:03 pm

  256. here’s a truer national poll
    ht t p : // news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll

    Last week’s poll received almost 575,000 votes. On the Republican side, John McCain came out ahead with 87% of the Straw Poll vote. Hillary Clinton led the Democrats with 53%, over Barack Obama’s 47%.

  257. Good morning, some of us we’re discussing this rumor last night – poster on Taylor Marsh found this:

    From TPM about the NC delegation endorsing Obama as a block or at all. It is NOT TRUE:

    But the Obama campaign says it just isn’t so. Obama aides say that the only House member to signal support for Obama, either publicly or privately, is G.K. Butterfield. Obama spokesperson Josh Earnest emails over this:

    “We’re pleased to have the support of Rep. Butterfield and are working to earn the endorsement of his colleagues in the NC Congressional delegation. Despite the Wall Street Journal’s optimism, none of them has told our campaign that they are ready to announce their endorsement of Senator Obama — so we’ll keep working on it.”

    It’s possible, of course, that some of them signaled that they would be supporting him but weren’t ready to announce it yet. Also, the Obama campaign has good reason to tamp down such talk right now — it would be a far more powerful statement if such a thing were to happen after Obama’s expected loss in Pennsylvania, as it would signal that the loss hadn’t slowed Obama’s momentum.

    Keep in mind, though, that the Obama campaign recently denied another similar rumor — the idea that a bloc of 50 super-dels were ready to bolt in his direction en masse — and that didn’t end up happening, either.

    How many people want to hazard a guess Obama’s camp is worried about how all this talk looks and what it may have to do with the Edwards rumor?
    bdestini | 03.31.2008 – 12:06 pm | #
    OT, but please read this wonderfu

  258. here’s the truer national poll

    news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll

    Last week’s poll received almost 575,000 votes. On the Republican side, John McCain came out ahead with 87% of the Straw Poll vote. Hillary Clinton led the Democrats with 53%, over Barack Obama’s 47%.

  259. And I’ll post the Maya Angelou new poem on HC.com

    Celebrating Women: A Note from Dr. Maya Angelou
    by Dr. Maya Angelou
    3/31/2008 11:45:30 AM

    This entry is part of a series in celebration of Women’s History Month.

    You may write me down in history
    With your bitter, twisted lies,
    You may trod me in the very dirt
    But still, like dust, I’ll rise.

    This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits end, but she has always risen, always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.

    Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.

    There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you’re born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female. But, to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies.

    Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country.

    She is the prayer of every woman and man who long for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.

    She declares she wants to see more smiles in the families, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to what it can become.

    She means to rise.

    She means to help our country rise. Don’t give up on her, ever.

    In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country a wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety, without crippling fear.

    Rise Hillary.

    Rise.

  260. I know I’m doing a lot of cutting and pasting – another TM poster saw this:

    Should Obama Drop Out of the Race?
    by Bill Press
    posted on HUFFPO

    What happened to the Democratic Party?

    I’m a lifelong Democrat. I’ve volunteered in countless Democratic campaigns. I’ve managed campaigns for Democrats. I was a Democratic candidate for statewide office in California. For three years, I was Chair of the California Democratic Party. But I don’t recognize the Democratic Party today.

    The party I knew loved a good fight, loved debating the issues, recognized the value of a high-profile, hard-fought primary battle — and believed in giving everyone a fair shot. Today, the Democratic Party’s turned into a bunch of weak-willed weenies.

    What’s going on? The party is blessed with two of the best candidates ever to run for president. The party’s making history with the first African-American and the first woman having a serious shot at the presidency. In every state, the Democratic primary is attracting record numbers of new voters and building a huge, new pool of Democrats that will benefit all Democratic candidates in November. And how do party leaders respond? By trying to shut down the primary. This is insane!

    Bill Richardson endorses Barack Obama. Good for him. But he can’t stop there. He calls on Hillary Clinton to get out of the race. Patrick Leahy and Chris Dodd endorse Obama. Good for them, too. But, same thing. Both feel somehow compelled to add that Clinton should quit. Why? There is no more rationale for Clinton to drop out of the race than there is for Obama to drop out of the race.

    True, Clinton hasn’t locked up the nomination yet. But neither has Obama. True, even if she wins every delegate in every remaining primary, Clinton can not reach the magic 2024 delegates necessary to secure the nomination. But neither can Obama. True, Obama leads in delegates, the number of states won, and popular vote. But Clinton leads in electoral votes.

    Plus, and here’s the most important point: It’s not over yet. Until it is, we can’t be sure of the outcome. And it would be a big mistake to end it prematurely. There’s been many a boxing match where one fighter won 14 rounds, only to get knocked out in the 15th.

    All these Obama supporters calling on Clinton to drop out aren’t helping their candidate, either. They make Obama look like he’s afraid of a fight. And they themselves look like a stereotypical bunch of men telling a woman she can’t hack it in politics, so she might as well get back in the kitchen.

    No, Hillary Clinton should not quit this race. And neither should Barack Obama. They’re both great candidates. Either one of them will make a great president. So let the primaries continue and let the voters decide. If Obama ends up the nominee, I’ll do handstands on the White House lawn. But only if he wins it, fair and square.

    bdestini | 03.31.2008 – 11:59 am | #

  261. Let them talk about Hillary’s african american female campaign manager. That’s a real winning strategy…NOT.

  262. thanks MJ!- now headed to PA in a couple weeks.

    since I’m from CA – this excerpt was in Time Magazine.com: time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1726536,00.html

    Bob Rankin, an uncommitted superdelegate from Carson, near Long Beach, was still figuring out how to make up his mind.

    While Obama leads nationally in the popular vote and in pledged delegates, Clinton won both overwhelmingly in California. Voters in Rankin’s congressional district chose Obama, while his congresswoman, Laura Richardson, backed Clinton.

    Rankin said Obama called him two weeks ago to urge him to make up his mind.
    “He wanted to end this thing now for the good of the party,” Rankin said. “I told him I was not ready to do that.”

    Rankin also received an invitation to attend a private meeting for superdelegates with Bill Clinton at the convention Sunday morning, but turned it down because he planned to leave a day early. He said he’ll make up his mind after all the voters have had their say.

    “I feel they need to be heard,” he said.
    [From the same article: Bill Clinton was in CA over this weekend to present to the SD’s]

    Of those who have made up their minds in California, Clinton is far ahead, according to a survey by The Associated Press. She has 29 superdelegates to Obama’s 13. Twenty-one are undecided or say they will not commit before the party’s national convention in August. Two have not responded.

    California will have one more delegate when the San Francisco Bay area congressional seat left vacant by the death of Tom Lantos is filled.

    Five others will be appointed by the party on May 18, bringing the total to 71.

    Clinton delivered a similar message during a private meeting with a couple dozen superdelegates before the speech.

    “He talked a little bit about letting the process play out,” said Christine Pelosi, an undecided superdelegate from San Francisco who attended and described Clinton as “very good, very intense.” Pelosi is the daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

  263. mj Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 12:46 am
    Edwards is not going to go against the entire NC delegation. If he was, he would by now. Cowards, the Democrats are a bunch of cowards. I will NEVER vote for this guy!

    ***************************From listening to Kerry’s remarks on Stephanopolous show yesterday, he said that Hillary’s mandate makes UHC a non starter. Edwards plan is exactly like Hillarys. I can’t see him endorsing Obama, either Hill or neutral.

  264. http://www.pollster.com/blogs/bradley_still_in_the_race.php

    HERE YOU GO ANNE.
    __________________________

    March 28, 2008
    “Bradley” Still in the Race?

    Mickey Kaus has been arguing over the last week that the greater emphasis on racial issues in the Clinton-Obama nomination contest may have caused a return of the so-called Bradley-Wilder effect. The term refers to a pattern observed in the 1980s and early 1990s when the white opponents of African American candidates would do better on election day than indicated in pre-election polls (explained in more detail here, links to other sources here). Kaus thinks we may have evidence of a re-emergence of Bradley-Wilder in the results from the Gallup Daily and the Rasmussen Reports automated tracking surveys. Last Sunday, he wrote:

    Gallup’s national tracking poll has Obama retaking the lead over Hillary after bottoming out on the day of his big race speech. Rasmussen’s robo-poll, on the other hand, shows Obama losing ground since last Tuesday. True, even Rasmussen doesn’t seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on his survey’s 6-point shift. But isn’t this week’s primary race exactly the sort of environment–i.e.., the issue of race is in the air–when robo-polling is supposed to have an advantage over the conventional human telephone polling used by Gallup? Voters wary of looking like bigots to a live operator–‘and why didn’t you like Obama’s plea for mutual for understanding that all the editorial pages liked?’–might lie about their opinions, a phenomenon known as the Bradley Effect. But they might be more willing to tell the truth to a machine. …

    On Tuesday, I noted that the overall results from Gallup and Rasmussen were not that different when looking at data collected from March 14 (the day the Wright story broke) through the previous day:

    Live Interviewer Gallup Daily: Clinton +2 (47% to 45)
    Automated Rasmussen Reports: Obama +1 (45% to 44%)
    Kaus updated his original post and responded that we should be focusing on the trends:

    [I]f you look at the trend since Obama’s 3/18 speech–which is what arguably charged the campaign with high-minded condemnation of racism and MSM sympathy for Obama of the sort that might produce a Bradley Effect–Obama gains 6 points in Gallup and loses 6 in Rasmussen through last Friday (and he’s since lost one more on Rasmussen). That seems like a non-small difference. …

    He has continued to note the difference:

    [3/25] Obama has now lost a net of 8 points on Rasmussen since the 18th, and 11 points since the 14th. On Gallup, he’s gained several points.

    [Yesterday] Bradley still in the race: Gallup (telephone poll) and Rasmussen (robo-poll) continue to diverge.

    I have been puzzling over the trend and thought it would be helpful to post a chart of the data in question. In the chart below (click for a larger pop-up version), Kaus is focusing on the trends since the Obama/Wright speech on March 18. The dates on the chart are end-dates for each survey release. Keep in mind that Gallup reports a three-day rolling average, and Rasmussen reports a rolling four-day average, so the trend line reactions would theoretically lag slightly behind events.

    If you overlook today’s release, the chart does show a largely divergent trend, though most of the difference occurs in the three to four days after the speech. However, if you step back and look at the complete time series, the Gallup and Rasmussen lines are no more divergent now than they have been all along. In fact, if you remove three days of live-interviewer Gallup data — the March 16-18 release which had Clinton (the white candidate) leading by seven points — the divergent trend largely disappears.

    Yes, for the last week, Obama has done better in the Rasmussen (automated) survey than the Gallup (live interviewer) data, but the difference is on the same scale as similar gaps since January that have see-sawed back and forth, favoring neither candidate consistently. So call me crazy, but I just don’t see compelling evidence of a return of the Bradley-Wilder effect in these data, especially keeping in mind the potential for random variation in the trends.

    One interesting pattern here — and to be honest, I’m not sure what to make of it — involves large gaps opposite of what we would expect from the Bradley-Wilder effect throughout much of January and again briefly centered on February 5/6 and March 18: At those times, the white candidate (Clinton) does better on the live-interviewer (Gallup) surveys than on the automated (Rasmussen) surveys. Also, as the charts below demonstrate, most of that difference occurs in the percentage supporting Clinton, not the percentage supporting Obama.

    The difference in January may have had something to do with how the two surveys asked about other candidates still in the race, and the gaps afterward purely random, although that’s a pure guess. Anyone have any better theories?

    — Mark Blumenthal

    March 28, 2008 in Measurement Issues, The 2008

  265. its still shit, there is no way Obama is on 51%

    No way in hell, some is seriously screwing with polls, amazing how this polls suddenly jump this weekend after a big push to get her out, its basically a bought poll designed to try and sideline her.

    Call me surprised but i bloody would be, after all thats happened.

  266. By the way i am working on statistics for the tx caucus and i’ll let you know some interesting stuff when i find out, but needless to say theres been a lot of screwy business going on compared to the primaries.

    One good thing i can tell you, El Paso went to Clinton in total 190% of 200% in those counties totals. Clinton took many counties, and get this for a statistic, Obama only won 1 county 100%, Clinton by my reckoning took 94 counties by 100%.

  267. http://www.gallup.com
    March 31, 2008
    POLL: The Gallup Daily

    Gallup Poll

    National
    Obama 51, Clinton 43
    McCain 46, Obama 45… McCain 47, Clinton 45

    Hill up 1, Obama down 1, same trend as Ras.

    *****************************
    http://www.pollster.com
    O up by 13 in NC- so we can safely say that the PPP poll showing him up 21 was an outlier. She can close this gap, I doubt that she will win but she can close gap.
    March 31, 2008
    POLL: ARG North Carolina Dems

    American Research Group

    North Carolina
    Obama 51, Clinton 38

    — Eric Dienstfrey

    March 31, 2008 in Poll

    **********************
    IMHO, what’s propping up BO are the AA vote.

  268. heard that MSNBC did a segment on if Edwards endorsed Hillary it would be worse for her than better – of course, they’d take that position, jerkwads – wonder if they know something; trying to head it off at the pass. cross fingers.

  269. posted over at ‘stop obama’ site
    ************************************************

    On Obama’s election website Obama claims:

    Obama has worked to promote civil rights and fairness in the criminal justice system throughout his career…As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases. [liar’s homepage]
    Articles in the press, like Law Graduate Obama Got His Start In Civil Rights Practice, give credence to the claim.

    Trouble is, it’s just more Hussein-0 Bullshit. As with everything about Barry-0-The Bamboozling Zero- calling himself a “Civil Rights Lawyer ” and talking about “litigating” is like McDonald’s talking gourmet Pure, on the fly, instant and cheap, low-quality, transfat loaded BULLSHIT.

    During his ten years as an associate with the Chicago law firm Miner Barnhill & Galland, Obama

    “didn’t try any cases,” said Judson Miner, a partner in the firm who was Obama’s boss. [sun]
    A search of all the cases in Cook County Circuit Court in which Obama made an appearance since he graduated from Harvard in 1991 shows: Zero. [sun]
    Zero. That’s right, zero cases tried since graduating, and leaving the firm in 2003. Zero

    Obama never took part in a trial. [Boston]
    Never took part in a trial? Kidding me? What was he, in some massive lawfirm with no opportunities?

    Small law firms such as Obama’s, with only a few attorneys, usually send young counsel into the courtroom to fight just as quickly as possible. Obama was never up to the task.[Martin]
    wait, are we talking the same Obama who is running for US President? Didn’t he get a degree in Law from Harvard? Wasn’t he busy working on the Harvard Law Review (not a single article published, no proof of any work)

    [Obama] never formally was counsel of record in any lawsuit. [Martin]
    Can’t be. Come on? You must be talking about some Borat Hussein Ossama?

    Nope- the very same, Barry: 0000000000000000.

    Obama has made a career of defrauding the American public about his legal ‘career.
    Obama, a Harvard Law School graduate, never filed a single appearance in a single case all of the years he was ‘practicing- law. [Martin]
    What do those familiar with the legal profession think of this? They call it a

    grossly inflated legal career as a ‘civil rights attorney.
    – There was ‘no there, there.- [Martin]
    and characterize Obama as a

    an ‘Arm Candy Attorney.- Or, to put in a Palm Beachy sort of way, he was a ‘Walker.- In other words, he was almost always paid to show up in court, and do nothing more than be there. [Martin]
    Paid to show up?

    Obama’s hourly rate of $165. [sun]
    Oh.. I suppose that’s what a Harvard Law Degree does, you get paid to show-up

    he may have inflated his billing hours to bilk the opposing party. The bank paid. [Martin]
    While Obama often brags about graduating from Harvard Law, there is nothing to brag about. He says he filed forms and did “research” but a paralegal I knew, with no law school background, regularly spends 80 hour weeks doing the same, and his hourly rate is… I don’t even want to mention it.

    Compare Hobama’s record with Hillary, who the media love to despise and clown.

    She was twice named among Americas 100 Most Influential Lawyers (1988/1990)… um, yes, before becoming first lady, or was it first councel?

    Hillary Clinton, whom opposing counsel remember as a formidable adversary during 15 years as a litigator at Little Rock’s Rose Law Firm. [sun]
    Conclusion?

  270. djia Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    here’s the truer national poll

    news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll
    Hillary Clinton led the Democrats with 53%, over Barack Obama’s 47%.

    That’s surprising! I’d figure the bots would dominate everything online. AOL must have a better algorithm.

    I’ve been over there and can’t find my way to the poll itself.

  271. lninla Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
    heard that MSNBC did a segment on if Edwards endorsed Hillary it would be worse for her than better – of course, they’d take that position, jerkwads – wonder if they know something; trying to head it off at the pass. cross fingers.

    Ha! We’ll take it. 🙂

  272. Wanna piss yourself laughing, this shows Gallup is full of shit

    According to them, 60% of Democrats think Obama is tougher opponent for John McCain and only 22% of republicans think Obama can be defeated by McCain.

    What horseshit, who gave them polling credentials, lol.

  273. JAS Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Where is she ahead in the popular vote?

    She’s been ahead a while already in the popular vote OF DEMOCRATS. It’s only Obama’s crossover Inds and GOP that have put him ahead in the total. And the Wright thing is losing a lot of that Ind and GOP (even if it was sincere to begin with).

    Also the elections she’s predicted to win — PA, PR, etc — will give her a lot more popular votes.

  274. Pulch and diva, if you are having house parties for Hill, I want to send you something fun for your party, so let me know.

  275. Michigan delegate compromise offered
    Congressman proposes alternate plan for seating state’s delegates
    Video

    Clinton won’t drop campaign
    March 31: Tucker Carlson, MSNBC Sr. Campaign Correspondent, says that despite cash-crunched presidential campaign, you can’t shame a Clinton into dropping out of the race.
    Morning Joe

    Video: Decision ’08
    Why the race isn’t over
    March 31: Chris Matthews and Andrea Mitchell join the Morning Joe team and break down future primaries and determine which Democrat will come out on top.
    ——————————————————————————–

    Clinton won’t drop campaign
    Obama’s family influence
    A delegate matter
    Obama’s superdelegate haul

    Interactive

    Elections ’08 results — national overview
    Primary and caucus results from each state
    NBC News

    Interactive

    Explaining the election system
    Msnbc.com’s political reporter Tom Curry answers questions about the road to the presidency
    MSNBC

    Tar Heel Politicking
    Court declines FBI Jefferson appeal
    Obama leads among Senate supers

    Where They Stand
    Democrats and the economy
    McCain on the economy
    Where They Stand: Candidates on Iraq
    Immigration lies low in campaign — for now
    Changing attitudes on immigration
    Can politics heal health care?
    It’s still the economy, stupid
    Where candidates stand on education

    updated 12:25 p.m. ET, Mon., March. 31, 2008
    WASHINGTON – A Michigan congressman proposed an alternate plan Monday for seating the state’s delegates at the Democratic National Convention, awarding delegates based partly on Michigan’s Jan. 15 primary results and partly on the popular vote in all the nation’s presidential primaries.

    Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., in a letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, proposed that Michigan’s 83 pledged delegates be chosen at congressional district conventions according to the results of the state’s primary.

    The party stripped both Michigan and Florida of their national convention delegates because they moved their primaries to January dates that were earlier than party rules allowed.

    Story continues below ↓
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    Under Stupak’s formula, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who received 55 percent of the primary vote, would receive 47 delegates.

    Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who pulled his name from Michigan’s ballot, would receive 36 delegates. Many Obama supporters in Michigan voted for “uncommitted,” which received 40 percent in the primary.

    The remaining 73 delegates would be awarded based on the percentage of the popular vote garnered nationwide by Clinton and Obama after the last Democratic presidential primary is completed.

    “The last thing we want to do as Democrats is to disenfranchise voters,” Stupak wrote in the letter to Dean. “I have heard from countless Democratic and independent voters who are frustrated and angry to think that their votes are being ignored.”

    Stupak endorsed former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards in the primary and has remained neutral since Edwards dropped out of the race in January.

    Michigan and Florida have been unable to reach agreements to redo their primaries. Any alternative vote would have to be completed by June 10 to be counted under DNC rules.

    Stupak said in an interview that a redo vote in Michigan was a “dead deal” and he hoped party leaders would support an alternative. He discussed his plan with Clinton and Obama supporters in Michigan. “No one discouraged me,” he said.

    Click for related content
    Clinton tries to revive revotes
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    In Florida, Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, who backs Clinton, has suggested seating all Florida delegates already chosen but only giving them half a vote each. Based on the Jan. 29 results in Florida, Clinton would have won 105, Obama 67 and John Edwards 13. Instead they would get half those delegate votes.

    The Republican Party also penalized the two states for early primaries — by cutting their delegate totals in half.

    Dean has said Michigan and Florida have two options: Either submit a new plan for choosing their convention delegates or appeal to the Convention Credentials Committee, which resolves issues about the seating of delegates.

  276. so does the Florida appeal to the Convention Credentials Committee go first at the convention … can it be done NOW or what is the order

  277. I cannot urge you all strongly enough to read the extremely personal and brilliant diary which linfar has written over at MyDD:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

    As I told linfar in the comments, it is the best diary I have ever read on the site. It perfectly captures what all of us HRC supporters are feeling now, and does so with a warm, heartfelt touch.

    Please read it. Not for me, but for yourself.

    🙂

    Also: Admin, I wanted to let you know that the diary I wrote the other day which included the video which I first found here of the jarring 9/11 footage and the dramatic “Lux Aeterna” song has been linked by several right-wing sites, including instapundit, Hot Air, and someone on redstate.

    I just want to let you know that had it not been for you, that video would not have gotten anywhere NEAR the eyeballs it’s getting now. THANK YOU!

    People need to see what’s coming our way if we nominate BHO.

    I wrote both Hot Air and instapundit, and they now each have ‘updates’ up which properly gives you the credit for being my source for the video. Just want you to know we’re looking out for you as you are us.
    Hot Air has a link to this site, and instapundit posted the email I sent him which gives this site the credit it deserves for being my source. Additionally, instapundit has one other blog linked where I wrote more about the video and the music in it. I actually joined Hot Air (can’t believe I joined a right wing blog!) so I could comment on Ed Morrissey’s (sp?) take on my diary, etc. I posted something but it hasn’t gone through yet. I do think, however, many here might be interested in what Morrissey said and what his commenters said also.

    You know what, I’ll go get the links and save everyone a lot of hassle. BRB.

    🙂

  278. you know, this guy, and the power he seems to have just scares me to death. Everytime I read that he has been able to pull crap off, the more I know that I will vote against my party in the general if he gets the nod!

  279. I cannot urge you all strongly enough to read the extremely personal and brilliant diary which linfar has written over at MyDD:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/113924/894

    As I told linfar in the comments, it is the best diary I have ever read on the site. It perfectly captures what all of us HRC supporters are feeling now, and does so with a warm, heartfelt touch.

    Please read it. Not for me, but for yourself.

    🙂

    Also: Admin, I wanted to let you know that the diary I wrote the other day which included the video which I first found here of the jarring 9/11 footage and the dramatic “Lux Aeterna” song has been linked by several right-wing sites, including instapundit, Hot Air, and someone on redstate.

    I just want to let you know that had it not been for you, that video would not have gotten anywhere NEAR the eyeballs it’s getting now. THANK YOU!

    People need to see what’s coming our way if we nominate BHO.

    I wrote both Hot Air and instapundit, and they now each have ‘updates’ up which properly gives you the credit for being my source for the video. Just want you to know we’re looking out for you as you are us.
    Hot Air has a link to this site, and instapundit posted the email I sent him which gives this site the credit it deserves for being my source. Additionally, instapundit has one other blog linked where I wrote more about the video and the music in it. I actually joined Hot Air (can’t believe I joined a right wing blog!) so I could comment on Ed Morrissey’s (sp?) take on my diary, etc. I posted something but it hasn’t gone through yet. I do think, however, many here might be interested in what Morrissey said and what his commenters said also.

    You know what, I’ll go get the links and save everyone a lot of hassle. BRB.

    🙂

  280. Maya Angelou’s words are our new rally cry…battle cry…inspiration!

    Rise Hillary
    Rise!

    Politics is not for pansies, it’s tough. Let’s concentrate on the fight.

    Rise Hillary
    Rise!

    C’mon! Who’s with me? Say it! No bickering, it’s tough, I know! We are all here for the same thing, our nerves are frazzled. We are tired.
    Rise Hillary
    Rise!

  281. Guys,
    Do you realize that Gallup only surveys 1,000 people for its tracking poll. 1,000. How can that be a statistically significant indicator of anything?

    I’m going with AOL poll – 500K participants. HRC up by 6 points.

  282. michigan compromise but fl must stand as voted. that gives bambi votes he advocated against in Michigan which is more, more than fair. Give Hillary the % of votes she won in Michigan popular vote, bambi and she split the other cause he and Edwards done that deal

  283. Can anybody tell me how to post an e-mail I got from a republican friend of mine? It clearly shows what they are thinking about the Obamas and how they will go against him in the general? We sure need to get this e-mail to the Super D’s. This friend of mine is a staunch republican. There no way this man will win the general, theyare going after his patriotism as well as Michelle’s! Maybe someone can tell me where I should post it for maximum benefit!

  284. Just copy and paste. Highlight the email text(not the address, don’t want to make your friends name public), then hit Ctrl + C, then come back here and hit Ctrl + V.

  285. Quotes to motivate us while we battle through this WEAK brain washing attempt by TEAM OBAMA.:

    “You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face… The danger lies in refusing to face the fear, in not daring to come to grips with it… You must make yourself succeed every time. You must do the thing you think you cannot do.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

  286. i still don’t have the hang of how to highlite text on a touchpad. I can get a paragraphy at a time or a sentence but am never able to get a whole page. any tips

  287. the republicans are salivating at the idea of running against him. Don’t you realize they are right this minute figuring the most competent ecomonic bigwhig who is also as a patriot with a really nice spouse to add to team McCain. Yep, they getting ready.

  288. Ok, the listing on instapundit is for yesterday, March 30th at 5:56 PM:

    http://www.instapundit.com/

    It starts with “A DIARIST AT MYDD IMAGINES”

    The part where Hillaryis44 is mentioned is in the ‘read more’ at the bottom of the blurb.

    This is the Hot Air link. Ed mentions this site in his ‘update’ at the end of his post:

    hotair.com/archives/2008/03/30/mydd-watch-out-for-the-evil-gop-doing-something-like-this/comment-page-1/#comments

    If you read the comment by, I think, ‘claypigion’ that’s
    exactly how I and I know many of us feel about BHO.

    Here’s the link to the small blog where I had to tell the
    guy I didn’t make the video. I also gave the music information for it:

    http://www.tigerinexile.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/whoa/

    Finally, the link to that AWESOME song which is used
    in the video (I had to find out what it was. It’s called ‘Lux Aeterna’ by Clint Mansell, and was originally used in the movie “Requiem for a Dream.” This link is to a longer remix, the one which I think is used in the video
    admin posted. Warning: This song is very addictive :)):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_oWrseTKk

    Enjoy all! 🙂

  289. Quotes to motivate us while we battle through this WEAK brain washing attempt by TEAM OBAMA.:

    “Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a (wo)man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.”
    – Albert Einstein

    Btw: To those in the media who keep talking about Obama’s paid rallies my reply is this quote.:

    “Don’t confuse activity with accomplishment.” – Submitted by Dale Kelsey

  290. Sorry for the double post before.

    Emjay, if you read this I want to let you know that I saw your message asking me if I were still here yesterday. I tend to back and forth to this site, but if you want to tell or ask me something, I should see it.

    🙂

  291. www2. nysun.com/ article/73862
    Kerry: Clinton Health Care Proposal Is a ‘Nonstarter’
    By RUSSELL BERMAN
    Staff Reporter of the Sun
    March 31, 2008

    A D V E R T I S E M E N T

    A D V E R T I S E M E N T

    WASHINGTON — A senior Democratic lawmaker says Senator Clinton’s proposed health care mandate would be a “nonstarter” in the Senate, ratchetting up the rhetoric on an issue that once united Democrats.

    The criticism from Senator Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, of the core element of Mrs. Clinton’s domestic platform signals a sharper intraparty divide over health care policy heading into the fall.

    “Let me just tell you that Hillary Clinton’s plan in the United States Senate is a nonstarter, because it starts with a mandate that is unachievable in the Senate in what we need to do,” Mr. Kerry, a top supporter of Mrs. Clinton’s rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Obama, said yesterday on ABC’s “This Week.” Mr. Kerry’s 2004 running mate, John Edwards, proposed virtually the same mandate as Mrs. Clinton when he was running for president earlier this year. The former first lady’s health care plan would require all Americans to purchase insurance, while Mr. Obama’s proposal requires only children to be covered.

    Mr. Kerry’s remarks represent one of the harshest denunciations of Mrs. Clinton from a policy standpoint in a campaign that has seen relatively few major divides on substantive issues.

    Mr. Obama generally has criticized Mrs. Clinton’s plan on its merits rather than on its political feasibility, arguing that the mandate would unfairly penalize people who want insurance but cannot afford it. Mrs. Clinton in turn has accused Mr. Obama of lacking political courage for refusing to include a mandate, which she says is essential to assuring that every American has health care.

    “Barack Obama starts with children and works up to a system where, at the back end, you may have a mandate, you will get to universal coverage. But he does it in a way that’s going to give Republicans the opportunity to be able to play at the table,” Mr. Kerry said.

    In 2006, the Massachusetts senator proposed his own plan for universal health care that would have mandated coverage for all Americans beginning in 2012.

    A spokesman for the Clinton campaign, Howard Wolfson, responded: “We don’t believe that health care legislation that covers every American is a nonstarter; in fact, we believe it is essential to ensuring that every American gets the health care they need.”

    Though Republicans have criticized both Mr. Obama’s and Mrs. Clinton’s health care plans, they have not been unanimously opposed to insurance mandates. Proposals endorsed by Governor Schwarzenegger in California and Governor Romney in Massachusetts, both Republicans, have included individual requirements for coverage, and a bill with a mandate introduced in Congress by Senator Wyden of Oregon was cosponsored by eight Republicans. Mrs. Clinton’s proposal “does seem to me to be a plan that has the potential to achieve bipartisan support in the Congress,” a scholar at the Center for American Progress who served as policy director for the Edwards campaign, James Kvaal, said. Health care mandates have “historically been an idea that has some support among Republicans, ” he said, because of their element of individual accountability and responsibility.

    __._,_.___

  292. OMG! This is true! I checked it out with snopes.com.

    Subj: The Real Obamas…..

    This is unfortunate, but it needs to be read to have an understanding of our political choices.

    OBAMA’S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED

    In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on”crime and hatred”. Moreover, she stated that whites in America were “ineradicably racist”. The 1985 thesis, titled “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community” was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

    Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to “Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first…” However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, “If those “Whites at Princeton ” really saw Michelle as one who always would “be Black first,” it seems that she gave them that impression”.

    Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms “separationist” and “integrationist” when describing the views of black people.

    Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a “separationist” view of race.

    “By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.”

    Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her “further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”

    Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

    Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but she elevates black over white in her world.

    Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:

    “There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. ”

    What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she’s first lady that will elevate black over white in America ?

    The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.

    “Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”

    The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.

    Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. “I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”

    Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.

    Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see American s. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another.

    The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama’s thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism.

    This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.

    Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.

    Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.

    PS: We paid for her scholarship

  293. There is a great deal of talk about loyalty from the bottom to the top. Loyalty from the top down is even more necessary and much less prevalent.
    George S. Patton, Jr.

    Why Carville’s Judas tag on Bill Richardson will haunt him for a very long time.

  294. The Clintons made a lot of enemies with old-style dems because they didn’t beleive that the ultra-liberal wing of the party could win (based on some pretty hefty losses in 1972 – 49 states, 1980 – 45 states, 1984 – 49 states and 1988 – 40 states). So they distanced themselves from the DNC and were part of founding the Democratic leadership council. A group that more closely reflected the views of the centrist wing of the party.

    Then what happened……first two-term democratic president in 60 years.

    This race is the revenge of the ultra-liberal DNC. That is the real game being played here. Anyone hanging around hard-core democratic politics for any length of time knows that.

    If the Ted Kennedy wing of the party wins with their chosen one, dems will lose by 45+ states again.

  295. the above was an e-mail of a republican friend of mine! I ve been sending her all the good stuff on Obama and She is the one that sent me that pic of Obama with the upside down phone. I put that on the net several months ago, It sure has gained popularity!

  296. 1950: use the following link for the aol poll. it is more accurate, because you can only vote once. the poll runs for the entire week.

    news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/24/aol-straw-poll-march-24-31/?ncid=NWS00010000000001

  297. admin, universal–I think the video of 9/11 intercut with Rev. Wright is incredibly powerful and speaks to the issue of Obama’s electability–Not!!

    I hope everyone will make sure that video gets around everywhere. Not just the rightwing sites. I think the SDs need to see it. It packs a powerful blow to the idea that Obama is electable. He just isn’t. And that video says so quickly.

  298. Thank you to everyone who rec’ced the ‘Typical White People’ dairy over at mydd.

    It has sparked off an amazing discussion. Finally, we are talking about the way Obama has exploited race and trashed so much that is important about any discussion of race in America.

  299. The difficult thing about being a Hillary supporter is it’s hard to find good news on her. You rely on other supporters for morale, because ya sure ain’t gonna get it from blogs, MSM or friends or family. Maybe that’s why HIll groups are a tight bunch.

    PA can’t come soon enough. Hillary’s being smacked in the media and the only thing that will shut them up temporarily is a big win there. Just like CA, OH, and TX shut them up for a day.

  300. dot, why did you delete your account on Hillbill’s site? Did you get a threatening email from an Obamabot?

  301. I also wanted to let you folks know that the Obamatrons have put out a whole new bunch of youtube videos with Wright speaking about love and encouragement over the old ones. Every one of the new videos have been viewed over 1/2 millions times. So maybe thats why people are saying they’ve had no effect?

  302. dot48, I had told HillBill after the whole bot infiltration thing I’ll just wait until she cleans up that board. She assured me that room would be just us supporters.

    I guess I’ll just wait again until I visit there. I don’t want Obamabots around in real life, why would I want them around online?

  303. confloyd, they have been viewed by BO supporters. No one has said it has not had an effect. Even the trumped up poll last week said 56% were effected by the videos.

  304. filbertsf Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
    The difficult thing about being a Hillary supporter is it’s hard to find good news on her. You rely on other supporters for morale, because ya sure ain’t gonna get it from blogs, MSM or friends or family. Maybe that’s why HIll groups are a tight bunch.
    *****************************************************

    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, concerned citizens can change world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has. ”
    — Margaret Mead

  305. Linfar: I felt like crying, when I read your diary. It is one of the best ones, that I have read. I didn’t comment, but I did recommend it.

  306. carbynew, good quote. However, file that with “the meek shall rule the world.”

    Nice and inspirational. Real life application: none.

  307. please recommend this diary at mydd. it is a timeline of women’s contributions to american political history. a member of my grassroots organization compiled this information, and it would mean the world to her if she appeared on the mydd recommended list.

    i also reproduced her timeline at other blogs. do it for my friend, and do it for hillary.

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/31/a-timeline-of-womens-contributions-to-american-political-history/

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/31/143459/155

    bluenc.com/a-timeline-of-womens-contributions-to-american-political-history

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/hot_topics.php#2374

  308. Here’s an example of the sort of sensible commentary that is showing up in local papers, by local commentators, including well-researched statistics on crime and key quotes from Wright.

    And we need more ranting and raving, more boiling with rage?

    Does Obama think it improves matters when black leaders tell blacks that they’re poor, sick, jailed or hooked on drugs because of a government plot? Does it help to fix things if the choir is singing “The devil made me do it,” the white devil?
    ….
    For 20 years, Barack Obama drank the aforementioned Kool-Aid, never seeing the problem. That makes him a problem.

    [author] is an associate professor of economics at Robert Morris University and a local restaurateur.

    This is NOT something that’s going to wash away with the next MSM cycle.

  309. “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.”
    — Abraham Lincoln

    That’s why we must NEVER give up and keep on fighting, do not pay attention to these lying polls, the shrills to surrender from idots, fools and backstabbers.

    “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”
    — Abraham Lincoln

    Since we’ve seen Obama’s character with the little bit of power he has been given…we now know that his character is WEAK, A BIG FAT LIAR and a BIGOT. He’d threw his Grandmomma under the train, Geraldine Ferraro under the train, burning bridges Blacks better then him built for his “Cult of Personality” campaign for the POTUS.

  310. BIO Become a Fan Get Email Alerts Similar Bloggers
    Obama Is Right: Words Matter When You Want Your Opponent to Leave the Race
    Posted March 31, 2008 | 10:49 AM (EST)

    ——————————————————————————–

    Read More: 2008 Election, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Breaking Politics News

    Do you like this post? Click to Buzz it up! Buzz up!
    AOL News reports this:

    Despite calls for his rival to drop out of their tight race for the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama said Saturday, “My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants.”

    Note the tepid and dismissive “Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants.” In one carefully chosen short phrase, Barack Obama uses a verb form that bestows his permission, as if she needs it, while at the same time subtly belittling her because she is staying in the race. Both of these rhetorical techniques aim to diminish one’s opponent while seeming to be gallant and awarding oneself the cloak of the putative front runner who can afford to be generous.

    But is he the front runner?

    Within the same AOL news article is a straw poll asking who readers would vote for. Click on the map and you see that Clinton wins over Obama 52%-48%. To be sure it is an unreliable self-selected poll. Possibly Hillary’s numbers are inflated by other people like me who never before voted in those straw polls but who are so insulted by the Obama-supporting pundits and politicians incessantly hammering their “she should quit” nail that we have taken to clicking for Clinton every chance we get. Even the Wall Street Journal has acknowledged the blatant sexism and rampant bias.

    On the other hand, the facts are that national polls show the two candidates still volleying back and forth. It made sense for the other candidates to end their campaigns — Dodd and Biden at low double digits in the polls, and even John Edwards whose contributions were drying up after too many third-place showings in the early primaries and caucuses. But remind me again, why is it that Clinton should quit but Obama should stay in the race when their delegate count is separated by just 133 and Clinton keeps winning the big states the Democrats must have in November to capture the White House?

    Perhaps Obama should live up to his gallantry, throw down his cloak Sir Walter Raleigh-esque so the lady can walk over the latest mud slung against her, and into the nomination gracefully. After all, she is the elder, she is the senior of the two senators, she was in this race first, and she has an enormous constituency. In all other aspects of life, the etiquette would be to let her go first.

    Or perhaps Obama’s statement was merely words after all

  311. Ann, I got that from a republican friend of mine. She e-mailed it to me! She also verified on snopes.com

  312. Well, I can’t be sure because it was an email from her and she got it from a friend. I’ll go back and look and see who was the original person!

  313. Ann, My friend emailed me that she verified them on snopes.com, but I will see her at work on THursday and ask her where she got this e-mail. I live in a very red area, I am sure they are circulating alot of stuff on them and she sends it to me along with Hillary’s just to irritate me. I have always sent her stuff about Bush the Texas God to her. Its all in fun, no one means any harm!! We just play that game at work to kill time!!

  314. obama’ is even advertising on the top of politico’s website. he’s everywhere with ads

    PA residents want to know where the candidate are?? Hillary’s been there. Looks like she is going to have to get back soon

  315. hey All – just a headsup – if you have anything related to Trinity Church – save it, make it a PDF, screenshots, whatever…Michelle Obama’s thesis that was once posted on Politico…etc. blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/whos-scrubbing.html?cid=108907406#comment-108907406

    Who’s Scrubbing the Trinity United Church of Christ Website?

    March 31, 2008 2:34 PM

    The website for Sen. Barack Obama’s church — Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago — not long ago described the “Black Value System” in the “About Us” section of its website.

    And it used to provide a link to the Trumpet Magazine that once gave an award to Louis Farrakhan — a magazine published by Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s daughter.

    No longer.

    You can see the old webpage, including both the Black Value System and a link to Trumpet HERE

    Interestingly, Trumpet used to have a web presence and now it doesn’t seem to.

    Here’s the Google cache of the Trumpet Magazine heralding Louis Farrakhan (“When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” says the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright,likening the Minister’s influence to the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. “Everybody may not agree with him, but they listen…Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience.”)

    Through a web archive search I also found THIS ARTICLE from the September 2005 Trumpet, in which Rev. Wright wrote: “Conservative fanatics line up on the side of al-Qaeda or they line up behind George Bush. Both are terrorists! Both believe that war is the answer. Both believe in murdering innocent people…”

    Who’s scrubbing the web to sanitize this story?
    – jpt

  316. Some of us over at TM are starting a drive to get people to change their party affiliation from Democratic to “Decline to State.” This is only for those that HAVE ALREADY voted and in which their state allows multiple changes. The idea is we switch parties until Florida and MI are counted. Here is my letter to the DNC.

    Dear DNC,

    Today I left the Democratic Party and joined the ranks of the “declined to state.” I did this because the Democratic Party is not standing up for voters rights by disenfranchising voters in FL and MI. I also did this because of the calls for Hillary Clinton to quit and to stop counting the votes, as well as for all the back room dealing I am hearing about from the likes of Donna Braizile and others.

    A group of us are starting a drive to get people to leave the Democratic Party until all of this stops. My question to you is:

    Is the DNC notified by state offices when people re-register and leave the party? Please explain to me how this works.

    Thanks,
    Tim

  317. Here is a great site where you can go, and on the left hand side type in your zip code and state and you can either register to vote, change your party affiliation, address, name, etc.

    http://www.declareyourself.com/

    If you have a closed Primary and have not voted yet then wait until you have cast your ballot in the Dem Primary before changing to Indy.

    Average Jane | 03.31.2008 – 3:15 pm | #

  318. Go Check it Out ….. some great stuff….

    Jake Tapper at ABC News asks a great question:

    Who’s Scrubbing the Trinity United Church of Christ Website?

    March 31, 2008 2:34 PM

    The website for Sen. Barack Obama’s church — Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago — not long ago described the “Black Value System” in the “About Us” section of its website.

    And it used to provide a link to the Trumpet Magazine that once gave an award to Louis Farrakhan — a magazine published by Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s daughter. No longer.

    You can see the old webpage, including both the Black Value System and a link to Trumpet:

    Interestingly, Trumpet used to have a web presence and now it doesn’t seem to.

    Here’s the Google cache of the Trumpet Magazine heralding Louis Farrakhan

    (“When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens,” says the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright,likening the Minister’s influence to the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. “Everybody may not agree with him, but they listen…Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience.”)

    Through a web archive search I also found THIS ARTICLE

    from the September 2005 Trumpet, in which Rev. Wright wrote: “Conservative fanatics line up on the side of al-Qaeda or they line up behind George Bush. Both are terrorists! Both believe that war is the answer. Both believe in murdering innocent people…”

    Who’s scrubbing the web to sanitize this story? – jpt

  319. fox news has the old web pages and pages from the way back machine. the have also obtained issues of trumpet magazine, video and still photos..

    why do you think the sudden fast pace to push clinton out? the dnc gonna need every hand on deck and it ain’t gonna happen. the smackdown gonna hurt the party but they are asking for it

  320. Also Taylor Marsh has a post about Trinity church being in the process of scrubbing their website. Does anyone here have screen shots of their website? I would like to pass the info on to the folks at TM.

  321. dot 48
    just got this

    Pennsylvania for Hillary Campaign Update
    UPCOMING EVENTS…

    Solutions for the Pennsylvania Economy Tour
    On Monday Hillary kicks off a three-day trip to Pennsylvania, where she will continue to discuss real solutions on her economic tour. Hillary will hold “Solutions for the Pennsylvania Economy” events in Harrisburg, Fairless Hills, Philadelphia, Wilkes-Barre, Erie and Pittsburgh. She will wrap up the tour with an economic summit in Pittsburgh on Wednesday.
    Additional stops and details will be announced. Check out our website for information about additional “Upcoming Events”: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/pa

  322. tcbequalityactions ,
    Does anyone here have screen shots of their website? I would like to pass the info on to the folks at TM.

    go to jake tappers blog at abc……he has cached all the important pages. Very cool.

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/whos-scrubbing.html

  323. I’m sure someone posted the link above- but I’ll post the first half of the article: politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html

    Obama had greater role on liberal survey
    By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 3/31/08 4:35 AM EST

    During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than his aides now acknowledge in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion — positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he has projected during his presidential campaign.

    The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group’s detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his 1996 bid for a state Senate seat.

    Late last year, in response to a Politico story about Obama’s answers to the original questionnaire, his aides said he “never saw or approved” the questionnaire.

    They asserted the responses were filled out by a campaign aide who “unintentionally mischaracterize[d] his position.”

    But a Politico examination determined that Obama was actually interviewed about the issues on the questionnaire by the liberal Chicago nonprofit group that issued it. And it found that Obama — the day after sitting for the interview — filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer.

  324. Good afternoon Hill Fires

    She really needs our donations today, the last day of the month

    She has a heartfelt Thank You video on the contribution page

    I gave $50.44 today. Love ya Hill

  325. Lookee here, in one of the comments, an Obamabot drops a “racist” bomb.

    We know one thing now for sure:

    Jeremiah Wright cares more about the truth than Jake Tapper does.

    Jake Tapper, a “journalist”, cares about insinuations and about feeding racist rednecks who hate black folks and muslims.

    This piece of writing, with its open question at the end, is Tapper’s free fall as journalist.

  326. what am i hearing about hill being pressured to drop out and run gor governor of new york? any truth?

    .rediff.com/news/2008/mar/30uspoll.htm

  327. Henry: why in the heck, should she drop out to run for Gov? Doesn’t make very much sense. She is already a Senator.

  328. Stupid rumors started by stupid Obamabots.

    Why the fuck would she drop out when she’s poised to take PA?

    If Obama people keep this crap up, I’m leaving this goddamn Democratic Party.

  329. henry – I think the source of that is an article by (in-the-tank-for-Obama) writer, Jonathan Alter from the (in-the-tank-for-Obama-because-they-need-to-peel-away-readers-from-Time) Newsweek.

  330. headsup guys – TM poster noted:

    (I love it when the media is targeted – I love it when the media looks like deer in the headlight when they’re spotted to be in the tank for Obama)

    I’m not sure if anyone has posted this already: My husband told me this afternoon that he listened to O’Reilly’s radio show and that O’Reilly will be revealing the names of three media outlets who were contacted by the Obama campaign last week and were told to start the “Hillary Must Drop Out” theme. O’Reilly is going to talk about this on his show tonight on Fox.
    Dr TS | 03.31.2008 – 3:48 pm | #

  331. Ininla, btw, I think I wasted my time going to TX. We lost badly in Austin. There wasn’t that same kind of chaos as on March 4th.

    Your LA buddy did right and saved money for PA instead of going to TX. I wish I had done the same.

    The thing is, maybe I shouldn’t have gone to Austin. Maybe I should have gone to a place where I knew Hillary had a chance.

  332. filbertsf Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 3:25 pm
    carbynew, good quote. However, file that with “the meek shall rule the world.”

    Nice and inspirational. Real life application: none.
    ********************************************
    Filbertsf,

    I don’t agree with you, Jesus had twelve disciples.

  333. “Well, if “the party” means those guys, then what is the loss? It appears to me some demolition needs doing.”

    Yes. The ‘party’ doesn’t get it. The ‘party’ looks ridiculous, even to Democratic voters. The Michigan-Florida fiasco is a failure of leadership by Howard Dean. (O-bots can babble about rules all they want.) All this confusion over superdelegates. Why do we have superdelegates in the first place if they are just supposed to follow the pledged delegates? No one can answer.

    The ‘party’ looks ridiculous — Dean, Kennedy-Kerry, Pelosi are reinforcing the worst stereotypes of the Democratic Party — confused, weak, paralyzed by political correctness, incapable of strong, direct action. This is doing damage to the Democratic Party.

  334. i was just asking if anyone had heard anything. i have an hrc news alert and as that article was published i rec’d it. putting in more than 20 hours per week the last thing i want is for her to quit because that means i start working for mccain.

  335. well, those caucas’s in texas were rigged on Mar 4th, there was nothing we could do on saturday. I am going to austin in june, if there is anything i can then, i will.

  336. Ininia: The arrogance of the BO campaign never ceases to amaze me. So the media outlets comply with the “requests?”

    I have gone over to the dark side. I prefer FOX NEWS.

  337. For Filbertsf,

    “You’re never beaten until you admit it.”

    “You shouldn’t underestimate an enemy, but it is just as fatal to overestimate him.”

    “Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tire, more hungry. Keep punching.”

    Gen. George S. Patton Jr.

  338. carbynew, I’m just saying that you need an army to make things happen. Obama’s got it so easy. Everything seems so difficult for Hillary b/c no one is on her side. She’s got to fight for everything.

    I thought after the whole Wright thing that she’d take the delegates in TX, but people just aren’t paying attention. Maybe they just don’t care. They want Obama and aren’t open to anything negative about that guy.

  339. Jonathan Alter is a a big tool…this is all about guessing that BO will get the nomination and losing…

    So they wany Hillary to run as Gov…SO THEY CAN BASH HER MORE …SAYING SHE KICKED A BLACK GOV OVER…AND of course they want a race with Bloomberg!

    Remember…if BO loses big (as the nominne), some blacks will trun against Hillary..so bloomberg will say..come over to me!

    All they want is a hillary-story

  340. filberts – we did a good job in TX – just think that the margin would’ve been worse had we not been there…I have no regrets. We helped her pull out a victory overall – Austin was probably a lost cause in terms of votes, but Austin Clinton office fielded thousands of calls from all over Texas to instruct people on a whole range of primary and caucus processes.

    I think same with PA – we need the largest margin possible, even though we know she will win – and the only way is to GOTV on the ground.

  341. mp, how was that event on Friday?

    I’d vote for Bloomberg over McCain and Obama. But isn’t there a rumor he wants to be Obama’s VP?

  342. alot of folks stayed home at my county convention, many delegates did not show up and the obamatron’s came in force with friends to watch. if that happened here in little houston county, you know it happen everywhere. I am sure that dean got the desired effect he wanted by saying what he said on Friday!! I overheard many obamatrons talking about dean and the rest asking her to get out. That was the plan folks and it worked!

  343. Ininla, I wasn’t talking about being in TX pre-Mar 4th. I’m talking about going there to be an observer. I’ve got no regrets helping out in Austin pre-Mar 4th.

    We did good there and I met great people.

  344. Austin was probably a lost cause in terms of votes, but Austin Clinton office fielded thousands of calls from all over Texas to instruct people on a whole range of primary and caucus processes.

    BTW, how did you know this? You weren’t in Austin were you?

  345. hey all – I’m a bit worried about this Michelle Obama thesis thing – because somewhat like the Muslim rumor, the BO campaign wants Clinton supporters and especially Clinton volunteers to forward it around to make us look racist and by extension, the Clinton campaign.

    A friend of mine got it via email, and Confloyd – is this Republican source really someone very close to you because it’s making the rounds via internet – at least in TX?

  346. filberts – I had a friend working the Austin office – and was in touch with others who were helping me coordinate speakers leaving Austin for Houston – so, I get a sense…I also got a sense that the volunteers were fairly separate from the higher ups.

    In Houston – volunteers and staff were pretty integrated.

  347. filbertsf Says:

    March 31st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    carbynew, I’m just saying that you need an army to make things happen. Obama’s got it so easy. Everything seems so difficult for Hillary b/c no one is on her side. She’s got to fight for everything.

    I thought after the whole Wright thing that she’d take the delegates in TX, but people just aren’t paying attention. Maybe they just don’t care. They want Obama and aren’t open to anything negative about that guy.
    ***************************************************
    Filbertsf,

    I know…The reason Obama’s people haven’t turn on him, YET is because of the “fairy dust” covering their eyes and how people get their news.

    For AA’s it’s living your faith, it’s not an accident that Obama had his pastor leading his outreach program for the African American churches…that why it’s very important to understand TEAM OBAMA is NOT going to quit…WE HAVE TO BEAT THEM DOWN!!!

  348. Now it is:

    Should Hillary Clinton battle all the way to the convention?
    Yes
    468 (69.0%)
    No
    210 (31.0%)
    Total votes = 678

  349. LOL!!!!

    Obama only got 1 endorsement out of NC!! CAfferty just reporting that obama campaign just contacted them to say that it was a mistake about the 7 endorsements 😀

    bambi gaffs again!! 😛

  350. ooops forgot to also mention cafferty also mentioned how he was said to have 50 SD after texas that didn’t happen either 😀

  351. filbertsf:

    that friday event got postponsed to Sat; so I could not make it!

    As for Bloomberg…i was talking about the race for the NY GOv…he will be running…so he is siding up to Obama and the NY AA’s right now !.. the press wants another Hillary bashing thing when they suggest she run for NY gov…
    imagine how Patterson or Cuomo must be thinking

  352. djia Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    LOL!!!!

    Obama only got 1 endorsement out of NC!! CAfferty just reporting that obama campaign just contacted them to say that it was a mistake about the 7 endorsements

    bambi gaffs again!!
    djia Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    ooops forgot to also mention cafferty also mentioned how he was said to have 50 SD after texas that didn’t happen either

    Yep. Bluff and mirrors.

  353. Michelle Obama thesis here

    dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=42FC5818-3048-5C12-005E33B3C0F4E64B

    see part 1,2,3 &4

  354. ohhhhhhh this makes me really really mad!!!! I’ve been a supporter of Emily’s List and this really really makes me MAD!!!!!!!!

    BHO superdelegate Sen.Claire McCaskill recieved from EMILY’s List $518,938 for her election bid in 2006, Sen.Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) $357,400 in 2006

    see full list of Emily’s List recipients here

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.asp?ID=D000000113&Type=P&Cycle=A

    TELL THEM THEIR SUPPORT OF BHO IS A “VIOLATION OF TRUST” FROM THE DONORS OF EMILY’S LIST WHO ARE PRO WOMEN, PRO CHOICE AND PRO DEMOCRAT

    AND SEND AN EMAIL TO EMILY’S LIST TO NOT SUPPORT BHO SUPPORTERS.

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