Barack Obama’s Biggest Lie

Alright, this might not be the biggest Obama lie. There are so many big Obama lies to choose from we reserve the right to “extend and revise” our remarks.

Certainly ONE of Obama’s biggest lies is the idea, propounded as an article of faith in his cult, that Obama will change political reality as to what constitutes a winning margin for Democrats.

Obama and his incense burners say that it is not enough for Democrats to “only” be elected with 51% of the votes. Obama is oh so much more high minded than that. Obama premises his surrender-to-Republicans candidacy on getting such a huge election victory that he will then be able to solve all the problems this nation has been grappling with for decades, if not centuries by some sort of electoral alchemy.

Two problems with this big Obama lie:

Obama’s flim flam act on electoral politics, much like Professor Hill’s “Think” system of music education, fools the willingly gullible members of the cult but repudiates political reality.

Professor Hill’s “Think” system in The Music Man is a revolutionary CHANGE from previous music education. The “Think” system is premised on the Audacity of Hope. Professor Hill has zero music training, cannot play a musical instrument, and does not know or recognize one musical note from another.

The “Think” system states that if you “think” you can play a musical instrument, if you envisage yourself playing a musical instrument – you will play that musical intrument with technique and virtuosity. Just “Think” it. Imagine all those stupid music teachers and students in our schools lumbering with their outdated years of music training and practice when they can “Think” their way to Carnegie Hall. This is the Obama magic. “Think” it and years of electoral strife will end.

According to Obama it is not Republican resistance to Democratic ideas, nor Democratic resistance to Republican ideas that is the problem. For Obama the problem is that we American fools needed a messiah to show us our sinful ways. For Obama the problem is not that the different ideas on how to organize society, by the political parties, is worth fighting for. For Obama and his cult, the solution is always Obama.

For the Obama cult, Republican resistance, constitutionally protected Republican resistance, backed with wealth, power, and determination will all be overcome by the messiah Obama.

The incense burners believe messiah Obama can walk on water and overcome reality such as this:

We believe that Obama is flim flamiming the American public, aided and abetted by Big Media masters and that explains his nonsense ideas about elections and governing.

It is possible however that Obama does not grasp the very basic concept of “minority rights” in our form of government. In our form of government, or governments – when we examine the entire system of community, municipal, state and national governments, a minority can indeed block the majority with some ease. Call it checks and balances, the Federalist system, Democracy, whatever, but in our system of government legislative minorities can exert great power to block legislation. Throw in the judicial system and that “gridlock” which can be so frustrating is easily eplicated by individuals at the community or even national levels.

The second problem with Obama’s Biggest Lie is the one that is extra laughable.

Bill Clinton broke the “electoral lock” Republicans have held in American politics. Republicans essentially have had the confederate states of the south and western states as “sure win” states for them. This group of states committed to Republicans has restricted the states in play during elections. Obama, in full messiah mode, says he can not only break the electoral lock but also smelt it into Isiahian plowshares.

Obama’s lie is that he will win in Red states and Blue states. Obama, ever the flim flam artist, denies that there are Red or Blue states. Obama has never heard of “Jeebus” land.

Obama says it is not “good enough” to win election by 51%. Obama, like a good flim flam man, has never provided an alternate number to 51%. All Obama does is deride the idea that “51% is not enough”.

What number does Obama think is a good number to win election by? No one has ever asked that simple question. Does Obama believe he could win election by 90%? 80%? 70%? 60%? Surely it has to be 60% or more – Obama’s entire big victory strategy can’t be to win with only 8% more than the tawdry 51%. So what exactly does Obama think is a “good enough” win? A flim flam artist will never tell.

Yesterday, Chuck Todd helps to explode the Obama electoral vote myth.

Moreover, I would argue the Wright story turned off enough older white voters so that Obama can no longer argue that when compared with Clinton he will expand the electoral map in a general election with McCain.

Now he can simply say he will use a different map; a map that ultimately might expand for the party as a whole, even if his path to 270 is no less narrow a victory than Clinton’s. It is just different.

Obama will rely on greater strength west of the Mississippi, while Clinton will use the same Gore-Kerry map. She will simply promise that she will carry Ohio or Florida.

Democratic “Superdelegates” are now seeing what Obama’s (and Howard Dean’s) new losing electoral MATH is: humiliate and disenfranchise Big Electoral Vote Rich States like Florida and Michigan in exchange for small electoral vote states like Idaho and Wyoming.

We’ll stick with Florida and Michigan.

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699 thoughts on “Barack Obama’s Biggest Lie

  1. Thanks, admin.

    I’ve seen a number of electoral landslides in my life, and none of them gave the president the power to magically do anything.

  2. Chelsea is going to make me miss night skiing :evil:.

    Luckily I’m not too far from the summit, so I can leave soon and still make it. My friends will be pissed though. Eh, Whatever.

  3. This is interesting and a good comment from TM site:

    The headline in the Albuquerque Journal North this morning is “Bill Can Run But Not Hide.” Ha! Apparently Richardson is trying to lay low since the controversy stirred by his endorsement. Not playing so well here in NM.

    abycat | 03.29.2008 – 3:38 pm
    *********************************8
    Carville is brilliant. Whenever I think of Bill Richardson, I think of Judas Iscariot. I associate him with Easter and 30pcs of silver.

    He will forever be tarred with being a traitor and non-trustworthy. Any perceived value that the Obama had of him bringing in Latino voters are smoke and mirrors now.
    tiburones | 03.29.2008 – 4:18 pm | #

  4. so far 21,982 donors and 1.2 million has been raised… 2 days and 8 hrs is left to make up for 1.8 milion USD

  5. Michele Obama announces that the second time she was proud of her country was when her husband with his stinky socks and all through his grandmother under the bus. Michele said “I never liked the woman. She’s a typical white person afterall.”

  6. sorry posted that article on the wrong website here….I usually post to a feminist site where it would be more appropriate.

  7. admin: if you could remove my post pointing to the backlash article, I would appreciate it.

    (they fool you with the article…it starts off like it is supporting Clinton but at last half, it trashes her)

  8. I heard Obama’s crowds are looking bored and not enthusiastic. However Hillary’s crowds have been wild with excitement. So put that in you poll pipe and smoke it!

  9. http://www.sodahead.com/blog/2048/

    If you were not put off Obama.

    That is Raila Odinga. Who is Odinga? Odinga is Obama’s cousin. Odinga and Obama are from the same Kenyan Luo tribe. Odinga supporters are the people that are burning christians alive, trapped inside churches … most of Odinga’s fanatical followers are radical Islamists who have pushed for Islamic Sharia Law, total banning of other religions and closing of co-ed schools, night clubs and ‘public dressing style considered immoral’. Odinga was educated in Former Soviet controlled East Germany and maintains a strong loyalty to the vision of his ‘Educators’ and has allied with Islamist in order to gain their political support.

    Here is a summary on the agreement which was signed:

    * It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila’s election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions, listed a) through n) on page two.

    * Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.

    * Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters. [Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in “Muslim declared regions.”]

    * “Popularize Islam, the only true religion… by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes.”
    * “Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshippers of the cross…”
    * “Outlaw gospel programs… on KBC, the National Broadcaster.”
    * “Impose a total ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages…”
    * “Impose an immediate ban on women’s public dressing styles that are considered immoral and offensive to the Muslim faith…”

  10. ROTFLMAO!! YOu all HAVE to see this picture !!!!

    rense.com/general81/poser.htm

    Obama Can’t Get Fake
    Photo Pose Right
    3-29-8

    When you are faking a pose for a camera photo opportunity, at least you can get the phone receiver turned in the right direction

  11. ADMIN! Another great post. And I feel so at home here now….in my brand new “Typical White Person” T-shirt, drinking from my Hillary mug and enjoying the creative minds of Big Pink!

    Now…if I only had a Hillaryis44 button to go with it…life would be a dream! ;-D

  12. Djia…I love Rense.com. Wacky stuff there. Havent been there in ages, so thanks for the reminder.

    HOWEVER, I believe that photo in it’s ORIGINAL form did have the phone turned the correct way. It is somewhere out there on the internet. However, this creative expression by a talented photoshop artist is, in my book, much more illustrative of the CARE Obama would have with the Presidency. He just doesn’t give a shit. It’s all about power to him.

    NOW…we all need to contact Chris Dodd and tell him to BACK THE HELL OFF. The Democratic Party is NOT going to explode. He wants to stop the primary too. Just like Leahy did. Just like Dean does. Notice NONE of Hillary’s supporters, endorsers or fans and NO ONE WHO IS REALLY UNDECIDED is calling for the Primary to end. ONLY Obama’s supporters are fearful of the outcome when America Speaks for Democracy.

    Dodd’s number?

    Why, right here, of course!

    Phone (DC): (202) 737-DODD (3633)
    Phone (CT): (860) 244-2008

    Saddle Up!

  13. This story from AP spells out what many here have been saying. This is only a excerpt with more detail in the entire story.

    “The chief worry is that Clinton may carry her recent winning streak into Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and other states, leaving her with unquestioned momentum but fewer pledged delegates than Obama. Party leaders then would face a wrenching choice: Steer the nomination to a fading Obama, even as signs suggested Clinton could be the stronger candidate in November; or go with the surging Clinton and risk infuriating Obama’s supporters, especially blacks, the Democratic Party’s most loyal base.

    Some anxious Democrats want party elders to step in now to generate more “superdelegate” support for Obama, effectively choking off Clinton’s hopes before she can bolster them further. But many say that is unlikely, and they pray the final 10 contests will make the ultimate choice fairly obvious, not excruciating.”

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080329/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_endgame

  14. And just for Kicks…let’s help it go lower….
    http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ctdodd0329.artmar29,0,2737636.story

    A Senator Mends Fences
    After Presidential Race, Dodd’s Popularity At Home Has Receded

    By MARK PAZNIOKAS | Courant Staff Writer
    March 29, 2008

    NORWICH – — A raw wind carrying the faint whiff of sewage greeted Sen. Christopher J. Dodd as he stepped to a lectern Friday outside an aging wastewater plant.

    Three months ago, Dodd was a presidential candidate debating Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Now, he’s a senator trying to find money to treat sewage.

    “I’m honored to be here this morning,” said Dodd, addressing local officials by two circular pools where solids are removed from partially treated wastewater.

    Dodd, 63, who intends to seek a sixth term in 2010, has fences to mend. A new poll says that his approval rating dropped during his yearlong presidential campaign from 60 percent to 51 percent.

  15. thanks for the link, Sherm.

    Can you BELIEVE Dodd said this????

    ‘Obama’s nomination is “a foregone conclusion,” Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., told National Journal. Dodd endorsed Obama after trying for the nomination himself.’

    First Richardson, then Leahy, then Dodd . . . .

    F*** ’em all. 👿

  16. Sherm Kader

    The problem I have with the AP article is the MSM meme that it’s all Clinton’s fault that Obama campaign is heading south by going negative and attacking Obambi.

    That more then anything questions the credibility of the MSM in not holding Obambi accountable and responsible for not being able to close this campaign with ALL the ADVANTAGES he got from the DNC and the media.

    It’s been Obambi’s own mistakes that given opportunities for Team Clinton to exploit but no way is this negative campaigning….it’s called being a good politician, just like Obambi was able to exploit Hillary weakness in Feb.

  17. You guys, don’t get mad….get even!

    And to get even we must put Hillary in the White House by working harder and being smarter then these chumps.

  18. @Artiste

    LOL……..rense is wacky for sure……I wondered about it being photoshop’d , as a photographer and multi media artist myself i work with photoshop daily…….but it is funny! and should still be passed around 😀

  19. i saw national polls fro gallup & ramussen putting him 7 pts ahead.. i want to know hoe come his ratings have gone up within 2 days….

  20. jithendra Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    so MSM agree that clinton is going to sweep remaining states…

    I wouldn’t push that. They are trying to raise the bar.

  21. jithendra Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
    i saw national polls fro gallup & ramussen putting him 7 pts ahead.. i want to know hoe come his ratings have gone up within 2 days….

    Who knows? You pay too much attention to national polls.

  22. mj…don’t feel left out honey…it’s just some personal stuff about how we are really switching to BO and don;t want the bots to know

  23. Someone said Reich and Brazile will be in a round table on Sunday. They are both Obama supporters, the pretend to be neutral. What’s up with that?

  24. About that photo with the wrong end of the telephone. I recall that photo being on this site weeks ago. It also got a good laugh then. Then someone spoiled the fun by saying it had been found to be doctored.

    I hoped then they were wrong about that. I would like to think it’s a real photo. However, if my feeble memory serves me well, someone also showed the photo before it was doctored.

    (don’t hate me.)

  25. Sherm……no hate here (unless we’re talking bambi)

    It probably is doctored……..but it serves it’s purpose none the less LOL 😀

  26. so funny if that straw pll is to be believed, Hillary will win all the remaining states by a mile. Fuck yeah

  27. I have some very good news for the HRC campaign 🙂 but I’m not going to share it here. 😀 I know how the bambi-bots enjoy inflitrating our site 😉

  28. some good news

    Early results tallied by The Associated Press showed that Clinton had 301 delegates, or 60 percent, compared to Obama’s 202 delegates, or 40 percent. That’s out of about 7,300 delegates expected to be selected at about 280 county and senate district meetings across the state Saturday.

  29. At the Travis County Senate District 25, after a credentials committee heard complaints, 12 Obama delegates were removed and two Clinton delegates were removed.

  30. In Webb County on the Texas-Mexico border, where Laredo is located, Clinton surprisingly swept all 51 delegates because Obama did not meet the 15 percent threshold of caucus support.

  31. I was wondering if there were going to be a lot of problems for Obama at the Texas conventions todays, i hope i am right.

  32. i hope there was a miracle and they barred EVERY bambi delegate from entering 😀 Karma babY! And besides, they want to disenfranchise millions of voters, so why not disenfranchise a few hundred or so back? 😉 🙂 I have a feeling we’re winning this one guys 😀

  33. JentheMichigander said:

    March 28th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
    Today my 9-year-old niece (an avid Hillary supporter) was watching one of the cable news networks. I wasn’t there at the time, so I don’t know which network or program it was. My mother said some of the pundits on this particular program were talking about how Hillary should drop out of the race. Then James Carville came on and defended Hillary and her supporters. The next thing my mother knew, my niece had run off to the dining room, where she began writing a letter. She wrote the whole thing herself, using her own words– the only adult input she received was when she asked how to spell the word “sovereignty”.

    I have omitted her name and the name of her city in order to protect her privacy, but here is what she wrote. The original was written in pencil on a piece of plain white computer paper. The spelling and grammar are the same as in the original:

    Dear U.S.A.,
    I am 9 years old and from XXXXXX, Michigan. I do not understand why you are not counting Michigan and Floridas votes. We learned at school that one of the core democratic vales is popular sovereignty, meaning everyone has the right to vote and all votes count. How can we have popular sovereignty if you do not count Michigan and Floridas votes. I don’t think it’s fair to Michigan and Florida if their votes don’t count. Also keep in mind that Michigan and Florida are worth more delegates than many other states. I think they should count Mighigan and Floridas votes.
    Sinerly,
    XXXXX XXXXXXX

    My niece gave the letter to my mother and told her to pass it along to me. After I read it, I called my niece up and asked her what she wanted me to do with this letter. My niece said she wanted to send it to somebody who is in charge of the votes. I suggested Howard Dean. My niece recognized the name as soon as I spoke it and said that yes, she wanted me to send her letter to Howard Dean.

    So that’s what I am going to do. I scanned the letter and printed up some copies, but I put the original in an envelope and addressed it to Howard Dean at the Democratic National Committee. I didn’t include a note of explanation from myself or any other adult, as I feel that my niece’s letter speaks for itself. It will be pretty obvious to anyone who reads the original, pencil-written version that it really is a letter from a kid.

    Yes, Howard Dean and the DNC, the whole world IS watching, including fourth-graders.

    To Jen and all the teachers on board…

    Jen…I think you might take your niece’s letter to her teacher or the school principle and see if you can create some interest in all the students writing something about what the vote means to them, or relate a story about what the vote meant to a family member and send the letters all to the DNC…at the same time try to get the local news to cover the kids writing campaign…as in “What if your vote was taken from you as was taken away from the people who live in Florida and Michigan?”

    the beauty of the simplicity and innocence of your niece’s sentiments with the aide of some local press and a kids writing campaign sent to the DNC would surely get the attention of the average american…sometimes it takes a simple thing like a child’s pure honesty to ring the bell loud and clear for the rest of us to hear the truth…

    it also could be a wonderful experience for your niece (I had a similiar experience when I was in middle school years ago) … your niece sounds like a thinker and could become a budding activist and leader…it would not hurt to talk to her and ask her what she thinks about the idea…

    and other teachers might give it some thought…

    Jbstonesfan…Hello…you mentioned you are in Palm Beach County…I live in Broward country via Los Angeles…
    Are you having any luck with the revote here?

    RJK1957 – Are you in Florida?

  34. @justmeinmountdorafl
    yes, these are from TEXAS caucus… here is the link from FOX news

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/29/texas-dems-enter-next-phase-of-chaotic-delegate-selection-process/

  35. what are you talking about hillbilly? He’s posting awesome news about Obama delegates EATING dirt. 😀 TAKING OUT 12 Obama delegates. O YEA.

  36. the thing about the TX conventions i never got was, why did they call it at only 41% reporting and i think things may be very different today when they all report.

  37. @moononpluto

    yes right, when they called with 41% reporting, i think that didn’t include the results from border texas… now see laredo, she got all 51 delegates… hahahaha 🙂

  38. @jithendra,

    That’s great that you have a back-up plan, but could you hold off with the McCain accolades until/if the worst happens? I for one believe Hillary will be 44!

    Just a thought. 🙂

  39. I want to see Obama go down HARD. Hard enough to break his skinny, lying, dirty ass and drag The fat-tards, Kennedy, Brazile, and McCaskill with him 😀

    Kerry deserves to get bitch-slapped and then put up to a few more months of non-stop swiftboating in his homestate though 😀

  40. Sherm,

    Thanks for the Yahoo article. I just made a mydd about it at
    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/29/181341/

    Hm, this article may explain why some people would jump ON Obama’s sinking ship — especially if their own constituents are locked into it already. Some SD are worried about Hillary coming out with the popular vote while Obama has some lead in delegates.

    “Party leaders then would face a wrenching choice: Steer the nomination to a fading Obama, even
    as signs suggested Clinton could be the stronger candidate in November; or go with the surging
    Clinton and risk infuriating Obama’s supporters, especially blacks, the Democratic Party’s most
    loyal base.

    Some anxious Democrats want party elders to step in now to generate more “superdelegate” support for Obama, effectively choking off Clinton’s hopes before she can bolster them further.”
    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080329/ap_on_el_pr /democrats_endgame

    The article seems to focus on leaders concerned about winning the White House in November after
    possibly offending Obama’s supporters. But SDs whose constituents are strong for Obama, might
    have even more reason to worry, and prefer to save their own, er, seats even if it means the Dems lose the White House.

    For those, a quick jump toward Obama now, might save them some hard feelings later, if at the last minute they switch to the more electable candidate, Hillary.

    As for the national leaders worried about offending “Obama’s supporters, especially blacks, the Democratic Party’s most loyal base” — maybe they’d better start worrying about offending Hillary’s supporters, and Florida and Michigan.

  41. as for Richardson, he deserves to be hand-tied on a long rope to a camel and hauled through the Gobi desert. 😀

  42. well when i went through the caucus results a while back, there are a lot of areas in texas that 100% for clinton or over 80%, so that could make all the difference.

    i mean they only reported 50% of Elpaso and she was winning that 75% to 25%, so god knows what the remaining 50% of results will bring in. I mean a lot and i mean a lot of the southern texas block caucus results are not in yet but most of those went to HRC by 80% and only partly in.

    So its a wait and see, could it be possible that the MSM deliberately stop taking caucus results while Obama was leading it so as not to look like a loss for him but in reality when it comes in fully, Clinton will win it, is that why Obama is there today to damage control.

  43. Texas County Convention Results:

    burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5484

    there is a chart for all counties, numbers are reported to be changing fast so keep checking it

    h t t p / / spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pCVgf3tYDGBevq1NB-GJHdw

  44. now it is HRC 574 – obama 586

    elpaso hasn’t reported yet// there are 175 delegates from elpaso…

  45. There is a petition on HRC.com site urging the seating of MI/FL delegates. Please lend your voice to the demand that ALL voters’ voices be heard.

    Here is the comment I left…all signers are asked if they want to add to the petition:
    +++++++++++++++

    My husband and I were in Chicago for a scientific association convention in 1968; we were in a park across the street from the hotel when the front windows were smashed out by rioters, and watched as Mayor Daley sent in more police to bolster the forces already there. With one of my husband’s colleagues, we spent most of the night trying to avoid getting hurt as we tried to get back to our own close-by hotel.

    I am experiencing again, the uneasy feelings of that primary season leading to the convention, and I don’t like it. The DNC heavy-handed treatment of delegations, and threats from many sides, combined with neo-lib power grabs and last-stand posturing by older party lions for party leadership are reminiscent of the power maintainence moves planned and exhibited by the party heavy-weights from 40 years ago.

    Add to that the Chicago-style campaign tactics of an unsuspecting pawn…we got trouble, my friends, right here in moderate Democratic party-land.

    Forty years ago, the Dems in power didn’t want to share power; now there are some who want to grab control and all the power, and the money that always comes with it.

    Be afraid…be very afraid. We must NOT let any voter lose their voice leading up to the convention, or during it.

  46. jithendra Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
    if obama is in TEXAS… who is there from clinton campaign.. hope Bill Clinton is there

    No one. Is he really there? He shouldn’t be.

  47. jithendra Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    with 13.31% reporting

    clinton has 510 delegates and obama has 508 delegates
    But thos may be caucuses Hill should have won by more. The caucus system is a rook.

  48. call me stupid but exactly what is happenning in texas? i thought bambi won caucas? who is disputing?

  49. I’m looking through results and HRC is nicking some delegates in places, like Gonzales which went 52/45 to Obama but she took the delegates 3 to 2, and like hits like that all over.

  50. 😳
    Guys, I do NOT understand this caucus stuff. Can someone please help? The Texas reports sound good but how does HRC currently receiving 60% of state delegates to BO’s 40% impact the statewide delegate count for the national convention? And isn’t that what matters?

    I read there are almost 7300 state delegates to be seated. And then what? it gets winnowed down to another 100 or so for the Denver convention?

    this is the STUPIDEST system I ever heard of!!!!

    i am soooooo confused.

  51. not sure Henry, but hopefully, all the bambi-bots will be busy crying into their teeny boppy soda pop or barfing into their lunchbags from the results 🙂

  52. Is it because Obama delegates proved to be ineligible for whatever reason or that the original results were misreported, or that there have been out and out switches to Hillary?

  53. how does an out and out switch to hillary happen? and can it happen in other states that have held a caucus but not yet a convention?

  54. Henry:

    the answer is YES, Delegates from the caucus can switch alliances during EACH stage of the conventions

    county…..then district……..then comes state conventions and then the delegates from their go to the DNC and again they can switch alliances

    this is what Hillary was talking about all last week, about how all delegates even the ones assigned at a primary can switch
    alliances come the national convention on the floor.

  55. Im surprised that Galveston went for Obama even though Hillary wont that county in the primary

  56. djia,

    OMG! This is insanity. So is it only the caucus delegates that can switch or is it the primary delegates as well?

    And if that’s what HRC was referring to, and the media DELIBERATELY mis-reported her, again . . . . or probably were so confused by the process they didn’t bother investigating . …

    YIKES!

  57. Good news/not so bad news: There were no new voters/revotes today in our county convention in Texas. Local news had reported that ALL caucus-goers from Mar. 4th would be allowed to caucus, in essence to “start from scratch”. I envisioned a stampede. Alas, thank God that didn’t happen. We elected one delegate and alternate to go to the state convention in June. Since our precinct had a higher delegate count for HC than BO,our delegate is for HC. Alternate is for BO. Sadly, this predominantly AA county was largely for BHO. However, it didn’t appear that he gained any NEW ground in this county. Some delegation proportions changed within precincts, but stayed essentially the same. Very large, chaotic, unorganized, but no issues with ugliness/intimidation. Very civilized, as a matter of fact. Sick, however, about the CLUELESS perople who STILL support BO after all the Wright/NBPP/Rezko revelations.

  58. wow thats awesome. Mine wont let me do that it only shows sign petition despite clearing cache

  59. basil:

    yes it is insanity!!

    it’s both caucus and primary delegates that can switch

    At the caucus state (iowa,tx etc), conventions (county,district,state) delegates gather together in their groups just as they did during the caucus…..a head count is taken, then it is determined from that count who is viable and who is not ; who is not needs to move to another viable group.

    Now…..before they do the head count, each candidates delegates can take time to talk before all groups to try and persuade delegates over to their side
    And you can choose to go, BEFORE the determination count of viability.

    At each level of conventions (county-district-state-national convention) this is how it works.

    Now for the Pledged delegates from PRIMARY states…..they remain until the national convention, which is where they
    Can switch and pledge to another candidate other than the one they were pledged to from their state.

    So…..bottom line…….all delegates including super delegates can switch candidates at one point or another including uncommitted delegates

    Super delegates can switch at any time they do not need a convention to switch.

  60. Denver is not Chicago so don’t worry about that….that is what Obama want you to do, just FIGHT for our girl Hillary and NEVER give up.

    It’s easy to be arrogant like Obama when you have the democratic elite leadership and the corrupted MSM fighting your battles but Hillary doesn NOT have the advantages Obama has….she is fighting many fronts in order to get the opportunity to just get to the convention…that’s why I believe Hillary will be 44 and not OBAMA.

    This guys is a bully and whimp and is a pathological liar. So the voters will have to kick this guy to the curb and that will happen.

    btw:Obama is TOAST and his campaign has peaked and is sliding downhill everyday…those screams you hear are all the polls jumping off the bandwagon before Obama throws them under the train too.

  61. djia,

    Thanks for the explanation. It sounds like the same idiot who came up with public school regs and teacher cert regs wrote the caucus rules, as well.

    And we KNOW how well the education system (I use that term loosely) works.

    So that means potential delegates have to show up 4 times;
    1 – the primary
    2 – the district caucus
    3 – the state caucus
    4 – the national convention?

    WHo the heck has the TIME for that?????? college kids, the unemployed, street thugs . . . . . . SO those who put the least into the system get the most out of it. again.

  62. Older communities challenge Obama
    by BRETT LIEBERMAN, The Patriot-News
    Saturday March 29, 2008, 5:30 PM
    JOHNSTOWN — Sen. Barack Obama needs to look no farther than the building next door to the Holiday Inn where he slept Friday night to see the challenge that confronts him in many of Pennsylvania’s older communities.

    The John P. Murtha Neuroscience and Pain Institute was a reminder of one of the region’s biggest benefactors, U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Johnstown.

    Murtha, who has directed billions of dollars in federal funding to businesses and programs in the city that’s best known for an 1889 flood, is one of the leading defense experts in Congress and one of the most vocal critics of the Iraq war.

    He’s lined up behind Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Democrats in this area rarely part company with Murtha.

    Cambria County delivered one of the largest margins of victory outside of Philadelphia for former Bill Clinton in his 1992 election.

    “There’s a comfort level with Clinton. There’s familiarity,” said Ray Wrabley, a political science professor at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown. Obama “has his work cut out for him.”

    Indeed, “it’s a tall order,” said U.S. Sen. Bob Casey Jr. after Obama addressed 1,200 at a town hall meeting in Johnstown. But Casey, who is traveling with the campaign through today when Obama’s bus tour comes to Harrisburg, believes Obama’s message on the economy, trade, veterans issues and the Iraq war should resonate.

    “I think this region and this county would have a lot of people responsive to his message,” he said before the campaign caravan snaked its way to Altoona for stops at a bowling alley and diner where Obama mingled with the kind of working class voters he hopes to win over.

    Obama hopes Casey will help counter the influence of Murtha and Gov. Ed Rendell, who has been with Clinton at nearly every state campaign event as well as a frequent figure on TV, including ABC’s “This Week” Sunday morning.
    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/03/older_communities_challenge_ob.html

  63. basil9:

    These elections and causus rollups are just another way of making money! Parties are just getting together to pull inn more monney to conmntinue support the likes of their elders.

    Forget about your vote really being counted!

  64. Obama: Long Primary OK As Long As Candidates Watch What They Say
    Posted by Maria Gavrilovic| 2

    (CBS)From CBS News’ Maria Gavrilovic:

    JOHNSTOWN, PA. — Barack Obama predicted that the lengthy primary will not divide the Democratic party only if he and Hillary Clinton remain measured in their criticisms of each other.

    “I do want to make sure, to the extent that I can control it, that we show some restraint and we are measured in how we present the contrast between myself and Senator Clinton,” Obama said at a press conference here.

    “We’ve been very careful throughout this campaign not to say things that could be used as ammunition for the Republicans if Senator Clinton were the nominee.”

    Obama admitted that his surrogates and those of Clinton are not “blameless” in their attacks on each other. He said that calls from his supporters, such Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., for Clinton’s withdrawal from the race stem from “irritation.” However he argued that the high voter turnout in primaries and caucuses will bode well for the Democratic Party.

    Obama said he expects to do well in the Pennsylvania primary; however, he described himself as the underdog in the race and stopped shy of predicting a win.

    “I’m not as well known as Senator Clinton is in this state which is reflected in the polls, and she’s got a popular Democratic governor that gave her a good head start, and provided her with some institutional support,” Obama said, referring to Gov. Ed Rendell, D-Pa.

    “We want to do as well in Pennsylvania. We may not be able to win but I think we’ve got a good chance and we’re going to work as hard as we can.”

    Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., who has been campaigning with Obama, said he will have difficulties competing against Clinton in the state.

    “Look at the other side, they’ve been campaigning in the state for fifteen years,” Casey said.

    “So it’s a tall order but we’re making progress.”
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/29/politics/fromtheroad/entry3979257.shtml
    ***************************************************
    Team Obama is the biggest pussy and liar I’ve every seen…Sen Clinton has NOT said anything negative about Obambi. So keep on playing the victim with your lying self with all the negative campaigning you’ve been doing and all your surrogates getting on TV and begging Sen. Clinton to surrender and crown you KING.

  65. so since they can’t bus in their fainters and have to get down to real issues .. hm he doesn’t seem to be such a great ‘hit’ ..

  66. guys we still have to be sure HILLARY WINS BIG in Penn even with some SURPRISES that way this helps assure the superdelegates, perhaps even help sway some people, and the likes we can’t have a close result in the state of PENN

  67. basil wrote:

    So that means potential delegates have to show up 4 times;
    1 – the primary
    2 – the district caucus
    3 – the state caucus
    4 – the national convention?

    WHo the heck has the TIME for that?????? college kids, the unemployed, street thugs . . . . . . SO those who put the least into the system get the most out of it. again.
    ***********************************************************
    Yes that’s exactly right!

    Who does this? People like me  [normal person who cares] and mostly it boils down all those delegates to less and less that actually go to the national convention
    So ultimately who goes as a delegate to the Denver convention is people who have been in the party on the local level a LONG time , business owners,
    Basically prominent people of the state……now, as we have seen reported candidates can PURCHASE those super delegates
    Which must mean they can also purchase those on the local level too I would imagine (I have no proof of this being done)
    But it stands to reason……so basically votes can and do get bought and paid for….so ultimately your mine our votes do not count so much as everyone thinks…….sad huh!

    Especially when super delegates who are supposed to go with the popular vote (candidate that wins your state) but then don’t as in Kennedy,Richardson,Kerry example.

  68. They are so lost in Pa that they are already starting the machine of “well, we are up against pro’s” … earlier he said his “hope and change and unity” would carry the day.

    NewsFlash: Nobody believes that shit now that we say his association with the good Dr. Wright.

    Also, he said on The View that Wright was not his “mentor” or “his spiritual advisor” .. did he not say that in his bood? Someone who has knowledge of that book PLEASE verify what he said about Wright .. be nice to have it come back and bite him on the rear.

  69. I wonder how well he will “go over” with the populace after Hannity’s show tomorrow night about Ayers.

  70. and he says that Leahy is “irritated” .. well, he should tell him to shut up. Haven’t seen that happen.

  71. He sure didn’t sound like he was playing nice in speech today, trying to paint Hillary as a liar and reminding everyone of the negative tone of politics in the 90s.

  72. “Obama addressed 1,200 at a town hall meeting in Johnstown.”

    wasn’t our girl bringing in like 5000 to her recent campaign stop!!

    aren’t those the real poll numbers that count!!

    clearly Poor bambi is polling poorly!! 😀

  73. dot48, I know we are all working hard, we just have to be sure she does win by BIG becasue then this will then help translate wins in PA, WV, KY, IN, OR, SD, MT, PR imagine this?

  74. djia, I was just thinking the same thing… and look at the enthusiasm in both… Hillary has CHEERS, POSTERS, SIGNS, BUTTONS, STICKERS, and so on, and what does the other guy have, NOTHING but “CHANGE WE CAN COUNT ON” on his podium

  75. BTW:

    That protest for the MI/FL voter rights in San Jose – originally scheduled for Friday evening was put off for today…Pelosi re-stated her position last night per my local radio this morning. I cannot stand her any more.

    I could not make it…as I was helping to elect my local rep for congress to be elected; we have a special election on April 8th and I am doing as much as I can to help her get to Washington.

  76. There’s a great editorial by James Carville in today’s Washington Post, Disloyalty that Merits an Insult. I would post the link but you would need an account to read it. It is linked off of realclearpolitics as well. Enjoy!

  77. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    March 29th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    djia, I was just thinking the same thing… and look at the enthusiasm in both… Hillary has CHEERS, POSTERS, SIGNS, BUTTONS, STICKERS, and so on, and what does the other guy have, NOTHING but “CHANGE WE CAN COUNT ON” on his podium

    **************************************************

    LOL I noticed and commented earlier today about what i noticed in the crowd at his campaign stop today
    things i noticed were : “sullen” “arm’s crossed body language” “lack of obama signs” “no standing ovations” “no YES WE CAN” ” No go obama go obama ”

    it was pathetic!! and a real eye opener!! 😀

  78. I think it’s about time we voted for senators with breasts. After all, we’ve been voting for boobs long enough.
    ~Clarie Sargent, Arizona senatorial candidate

    The idea that you can merchandise candidates for high office like breakfast cereal – that you can gather votes like box tops – is… the ultimate indignity to the democratic process.
    ~Adlai Stevenson, speech, Democratic National Convention, 18 August 1956

    Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. ~Plato

    Truth is not determined by majority vote. ~Doug Gwyn

    Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. ~John Quinton

    I offer my opponents a bargain: if they will stop telling lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them.
    ~Adlai Stevenson, campaign speech, 1952

    I am working for the time when unqualified blacks, browns, and women join the unqualified men in running our government. ~Cissy Farenthold

    There are always too many Democratic congressmen, too many Republican congressmen, and never enough U.S. congressmen. ~Author Unknown

    Do you ever get the feeling that the only reason we have elections is to find out if the polls were right? ~Robert Orben

    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

    I have come to the conclusion that politics is too serious a matter to be left to the politicians. ~Charles de Gaulle

    Why pay money to have your family tree traced; go into politics and your opponents will do it for you. ~Author Unknown

  79. hi hillfans. running errands, food shopping, and a little house cleaning. the wife gave me permission to check my hillary news. the new rule is no computer time untl stuff gets done! lol. the $ million dollar challenge is building steam on hillaryclinton.com.

  80. As for Leahy…look at his chairmanship on that Senate Judiciary committee…he should be asked to resign as he cannot let a process have its due and fair course.

    Eff you leahy!!!…As per Cheney!

  81. basil

    I hate to see you have an on-going nervous breakdown…especially since you already have an ear infection (see. I do stay up nights trying to catch up, afetr full days of calling Tx delegates, reminding them how IMPORTANT it is to get their butts to their convention site.

    I know from reading your posts how much you get off the internet and how smart you are.

    Plese net-surf thru texas, primary, caucus, hybrid caucus, you will see they cose about 2/3 of their delegates via the pure primary vote system and about 1/3 via caucus precinct method system…and then move from local precinct to district county and state meetings. No it does NOT take that much timeif you are moving up thru the levels, if you want to be a delegate.

    Not EVERY voter puts in that kind of time…but many do keep track of what their elected/selected delegates are doing for them at the next level. Trust me, it works when intimidation is eliminated. And delegates who change and it is an overall mistake, lose in the next election. If they want to stay in politics, they will always do the wise thing…which is not always the the most popular-at-the-moment thing.

  82. NEWT GINGRICH, “REAL CHANGE” AUTHOR: Good to be with you.

    COLMES: Appropriate that Patrick Leahy says to Hillary Clinton quit?

    GINGRICH: Sure. Senator Leahy endorsed Obama back in January. He is an Obama enthusiast. He has every right to say Senator Clinton should get out of the race. It’s funny that anybody would take it seriously. If all of Obama’s supporters got up and said gosh I sure wish Senator Clinton would get out of the race and Senator Clinton could have all of her supporters get up and say gosh we sure wish Senator Obama would get out of the race, what we then know is each side has supporters and neither of them is going to get out of the race.

    This thing is not knowable yet. If Senator Obama has two or three more revelations comparable to Reverend Wright, he probably can’t win the nomination. If Senator Clinton is not able to break through, she probably can’t win the nomination. It’s a big mistake to think that this is over and that automatically Senator Clinton ought to give in on behalf of Senator Obama.

    COLMES: By the way, the Gallup polls shows 28 percent of Hillary supporters are saying they would vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. Now that would not sit well with Patrick Leahy, I would think, if we elect — if his idea would result in electing a Republican president.

    GINGRICH: I think the left wing of the Democratic Party is in a real bind now because if they block Senator Obama, they risk losing all of the young left wing activists who have giving him now two million donors. They risk alienating the African-American community which has been their best base.

    And yet, they have to start asking themselves, given Reverend Wright and other kind of revelations about Senator Obama, can he actually survive a General Election or is he the Democrat most likely to lose to John McCain this fall?

    COLMES: But doesn’t it work the other way? Hillary Clinton has also inspired and empowered women who have never felt they were represented people of other demographic groups, socioeconomic groups? So yes, there are a number of people may be drawn into the electoral process because of Barack Obama, it cuts the other way as well, doesn’t it, Mr. Speaker?

    GINGRICH: Well first of all, I think it puts tremendous pressure on Senator Obama to pick a woman to be the vice presidential nominee if he does get to be the Democratic nominee. Second, I think that there are a lot of people who really not so much on gender grounds but on national security grounds, on general competence, on values are simply finding Senator Obama increasingly unacceptable.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/newt_gingrich_on_hannity_colme_1.html

  83. Dija, despite we noticing this, we make people aware of this, of course the media is not reporting on this

  84. OMG HillBilly

    I think I love you!

    Needed the belly laughs an cackles (we are still encouraginging cackling here, right?)

    May I send around?

  85. justmeinmountdorafl Says:
    March 29th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Dija, despite we noticing this, we make people aware of this, of course the media is not reporting on this
    *****************************************

    Of Course MSM won’t “verbalize” these things……….but they do show their campaign stops on the air and people are not stupid
    even if they did choose obama i don’t believe they are stupid. People can clearly see the difference in what they are used to seeing and what they are seeing today.

    so essentially the MSM is letting people know even if they do not want to, they are 😀

  86. Emjay,
    ‘I hate to see you have an on-going nervous breakdown…”
    “LOL*
    Maybe I do come off as passionate but no worries anout an NB. I’m on AD’s so I can tolerate the chemo. it’s probably a darn good thing coz if i wasn’t on chemo and therefore NOT on AD’s i probably WOULD have had a nervous breakdown by now. 😳

    thanks for the explanation. i really am new to political systems, primaries, cauci, etc but it does strike this neophant that cauci MAY have been a great system centuries ago when everyone knew one another and the communities were small and close-knit but I have my doubts about its usefulness in the internet era.

    What do you think?

  87. ohh yeah… travis county went big for obama.. but wait till we get to BEXAR county & ELPASO and HIDALGO… 🙂

  88. The best thing we can do is keep pounding him on all over on the Rev. Wright thing. Letters to editors, blogs, letters to SDs. That is what will bring him down eventually.

  89. haha Lubbock was 55to 45% and went delegate wise 41 C to 23 O

    Nacogdoces went 65 to 35% for Obama, delegates went 7 for C and 10 O

    Hillary is pulling a few delegates off in smaller counties. Go Hill.

  90. Ok Ann, you can actually post it in the thread over there by clicking Advanced under the text field and then uploading the file. Or youi can email it to me and I can do it. You still have my email address?

  91. i had the day from hell as a tx senate dist delegate. i will write a full post soon. a sample-obama people tried 4 coup attemts on the chair of the conv. 4. guess why? the guy is a hill supporter and is white! im isck of it. just fucking sick of fighting them. oh we we spent 2 hrs deadlocked-why? a obama delegate rom his pct level flipped to hillary. IT MADE NO DIFF ON THE MATH AT ALL BUT BC HE CHANGED HIS MIND THE OBAMABOTS WENT WILD. god save this country if we dont stop these people. please provide link on latest tx results

  92. Want to email wolf blitzer and Anderson cooper and tell them when a BO supporter asks NRC to drop out – it IS NOT NEWS. Anyone have their email addresses?

  93. basil

    Baby, as Taylor would say, you obviously havn’t been on this board long.

    Nervous Breakdown is a more accurate description of what you show here, as opposed to Passionate.

    We’ve had caucuses here for 101 years…somewhere on here I wrote a Passionate Defense of the system…around Jan 4th or so or maybe a week before that…

    That was before I realized we had a snake in the race whose staff had figured out how to steamroll the system… it was designed for states that had a small population and /or a minority party, because it is a party strengthening or building system…just check the states where the Dems still use it…as many point out here…they are SMALL,
    RED, states.

    Of course there will be a course correction after this election…just help me keep TNSAD (The New Suddenly Aware Dems) from leading us all over the cliff.

    We have never claimed to be futurists…just realists.

  94. what does this mean? just found this…….
    posted at this blog here: http : / /muse-musings.blogspot.com/2008/03/sd-committee-chair-encourages-protests.html

    Saturday, March 29, 2008
    SD. Committee Chair Encourages Protests

    I will let him remain unnamed but a chair of an important committee in
    SD 17 Fort Bend continually did not follow the rules. When challenged
    with a point of order, he would say that if anyone wanted to protest
    later they could, but he was going to do what he wanted to do.

    He came and found me and two others who were talking about a problem
    and asked what we were trying to accomplish and did we want him to
    dance a little jig.

    Very condescending and out of line.

    This was when I was talking to the parliamentarian sent by the TDP.

    There were some irritated and unhappy people and I was not the only one.

    Some things happened here today that could cause a challenge to
    seating of our delegation at the state convention.

    Sent from my iPhone

  95. The thing is Hillary should not be losing delegates in caucuses to primary dictricts she won. It’s bullshit, and shows why the caucus system is crap.

  96. Jeez Tex4Hill !!!

    Here I was, telling basil it was going to be okay baby….

    Shixt….Settle a bit and know we will listen and not badger w/ ques or lectures or blame..

    Been there, tried to use self control and rules and all…

    sometimes think all BO bots are 1st or 2nd yr law students or have graduated from community organizing group trained to use the law/rules to the extreme.

    When you are ready, tell us how it went. I’ll stay up.

  97. WHAT IM NERVOUS ABOUT IS PELOSI WANTING THE VP POSITION! SO MAYBE OBAMA HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE WITH THE DNC AND PELOSI. MY FRIEND IS SUPPORTING OBAMA AND SAID THAT PELOSI WILL NOT SUPPORT HILLARY BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO BE THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT. UH NO I DONT THINK SO!!!!!! GUYS THIS IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO!

  98. winhillary Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
    WHAT IM NERVOUS ABOUT IS PELOSI WANTING THE VP POSITION

    That won’t happen.

  99. Ann it is the section called Hillary is 44 – Organizing and Strategy. Only authorized people can see it, it doesn’t show up for people that aren’t “vetted”.

  100. in hidalgo SD 27.. obama couldn’t meet threshold.. so all 51 delegates goes to hillary.. in other SD in hidalgo he got 18%.. so another 50 delegates from that SD to hillary… yahoooo latinos has hillary’ back… coolioo

  101. Sorry about the bold writing, Im just saying that if obama gets in which he wont but worst case, how do we not know that obama is not pulling strings with the dnc. Im sorry but Hillary and Bill know the ropes with are party better than little obama. I just hope Hillary gets a serious back bone in the next few months we need her to get nasty and tough!!!

  102. winhillary

    No one with half a brain would put Pelosi on their ticket, her approval ratings are about the same as Bush’s if not lower.

  103. I’m thinking that the best way for Obama to fail is to even think of putting any of his cronies into the VP position. Pelosi would be a joke! 😉

  104. Based on what little I have deduced from the short posts fron djia and Tex4Hill…

    I believe we might just be seeing a sophisticated version of BO’s Alice Palmer manuver(spelling, I know).

    And mj, if I see one more crack out of you, about Texas, Iowa, the caucus method, or anyone on this site, or in this country or any of her terratories who has worked in this primary season so far, I will, as you threatened the other night to someone else, slap your mouth.

    If you cannot be constructive tonight, go sit in a corner, wash your mouth out with Ivory, and come back after church hours tomorrow.

  105. FU?

    Excuse me but that was an honest question I have know idea if there are or not! Please be mature here, just asking! Im kinda of new and just thought i would ask. GROW THE HELL UP!

  106. winhillary Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    FU?

    Excuse me but that was an honest question I have know idea if there are or not! Please be mature here, just asking! Im kinda of new and just thought i would ask. GROW THE HELL UP!

    You grow the hell up! You ask if I am an Obama supporter. I say FU.

  107. WOW! Ok well you answered my question but it wasn’t to attack. I’ll take the high note and say that im sorry, it was just because of the comment before about the soap washing, that’s why I asked. Aside from that, maybe you can chill out and again grow the f up!

  108. emjay,

    I guess it depends on what your definition of nervous breakdown is.

    I certainly don’t feel that I am any more demonstrative than many other posters but please feel free to scroll past my posts as reading them evidently bothers YOUR nerves.

  109. Mj I really have not even looked at your past post i just saw a post and asked a question that i apologized for ok everyone so sorry!

  110. I WOULD HAVE FLIPPED TO! I AGREE! I just heard that alot of obama nuts are coming on to this site. I just don’t know everyone here yet. Sorry.

  111. HillBillyLover

    Listen Luv, I am Emjay, not mj.

    Thanx and sorry…whoever mj is, s/he shoots from the lip, swears like a drunk Marine and wants others to give answers and links that we have researched, or haven’t yet, rather than look it up him/herself. Very demanding, and bossy, and conclusive without history or evidence.

    I have been here a long time and can remember when civility ruled.

    In any case, it is I, Emjay who thought your candidate quotes were royal; and worth spreading…May I, as Emjay?

  112. In case no-one’s seen it, here’s the newest post from my secret boyfriend (Mickey Kaus):

    http://www.slate.com/id/2187358/

    “White Man’s Greed”Obama’s very first service at Wright’s church was … controversial.
    By Mickey Kaus
    Updated Saturday, March 29, 2008, at 2:48 PM ET

    Two Memes Running: I’ll try to keep track of the two most underdeveloped negative memes on Obama:

    1) He’s a wuss! He hedges on welfare, he hedges on affirmative action. “[H]e has a major deficiency in the realm of moral courage.” He won’t speak up against his own church’s victim mentality until he absolutely has to (because he himself gets in political trouble). In the campaign he’s done a whole lot of pandering and not much Sister Souljahing–certainly nothing as bold as Bill Clinton saying welfare should be two-years-and-out. He listens to everyone and everyone loves him for it. But he’s conflict-averse–it would be more reassuring if everyone didn’t love him. …

    2) He’s arrogant! His failure to even admit to the slightest mistake in the Wright affair plays into this meme, originally ratified by AP’s Ron Fournier. My colleague Robert (no relation) Wright thinks he saw additional evidence recently. …

    Are these memes contradictory? Not really. Maybe they go together. Arrogance is likely to build up in the absence of conflict, no? You can’t take it out on your enemies in public so you take it out in private. Are they disqualifying? No. I’m not sure Obama can’t accomplish a lot by being conflict-averse and respectful. But I don’t think there was a conflict-averse way to, say, reform welfare. The liberal interest groups who supported the system weren’t about to be “illuminated” or “elevated” (or fooled). They had to be beaten. The same probably goes for some conservative interest groups in, say, the health care debate.

    As for arrogance–well, he’s likeable enough! …

    Update: Jonathan Rauch, the anti-Sullivan, accuses Obama of a different kind of pandering–pandering to fantasies of trans-partisanship:

    [S]ometimes I wonder if that isn’t many Obama supporters’ real hope: Use post-partisan rhetoric to win a big partisan majority and then roll over the Republicans.

    Rauch’s underdeveloped argument is that with Democrats firmly in control of Congress, actual post-partisanship is unlikely. I’m not so sure. I’m with Rauch’s fictitious interlocutor–he’s too jaded. Clinton passed NAFTA (whatever you think of it) with Dems in control of Congress. But it takes some triangulatin’–another circumstance in which Obama’s conflict-aversion could become a major handicap. … [via Insta] 6:32 P.M. link

  113. Emjay, I well liked here. I have computer issues, and it’s hard for me to find links. Most really like me. I am sorry I have strong feelings about the caucuses. I appreciate you not personally attacking me.

  114. sorry i was trying to lighten the mood
    fellow posters were bickering and i made a very poor attempt at humor
    i am sure however that the sa children get a huge charge out of meaningless spats here

  115. The reason I ask for links, just so everyone here knows, is this site in my email nearly the only sites I can load without crashing. When one of you post something good, I send it around to about 400 hillary supporting bloggers.

  116. dedfg
    my parents, one a typical white person and the other a crazed preacher beat me terribly with smilies as a kid

  117. basil

    Just so you know, i have never skipped one of your notes, because i respect your research, approach, conclusions and consequent actions. Please note I was having fun w/ your worrywartness before we got the early onsite reports about BO’s manipulations at today’s convention sites.

    I am all business again. Just that we had such good prior intel about BO delegate switching to our girl…don’t think we were expecting as much thuggery at this level as has obviously occurred.

    Gotta go.

    Please accept my mea culpa. And note, I did know you were sick and went to DR for ear infection, Now outside your dear ones, who but those of us here, who probably already know TMI about you, would know that!

    Luv

  118. Seriously has anything become of the Schwarzenager/Bloomberg/Rendell consortium held in Jan regarding investments in infrastructure?

  119. we are all frustrated
    and sometimes we vent inappropriately
    i realize that not everyone has a kid to smack around.

  120. Texas numbers coming in slow. Hillary appears to be picking up more delegates than she is losing. No big changes from the 4th. Most of Obama’s biggest strong holds have reported. Still it will be difficult for Hillary to do a major turn around of the results from the 4th, but she can cut into his lead.

    What do all these caucuses, district, county and state conventions end up costing when it is all finished? They say having a caucus is cheaper that a primary, but I am finding that hard to believe.

  121. ABC ran the video of that interview with Phiily Mayor Nutter on the ABC World News Saturday.

    As Joy from “My Name Is Earl” would say:

    OH SNAP.

  122. Via TalkLeft:

    Why Edwards Didn’t Endorse Obama, Superdelegates and More
    By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:36:07 PM EST
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    Via John Heileman at New York Magazine:

    According to a Democratic strategist unaligned with any campaign but with knowledge of the situation gleaned from all three camps, the answer is simple: Obama blew it. Speaking to Edwards on the day he exited the race, Obama came across as glib and aloof. His response to Edwards’s imprecations that he make poverty a central part of his agenda was shallow, perfunctory, pat.

    Clinton, by contrast, engaged Edwards in a lengthy policy discussion. Her affect was solicitous and respectful. When Clinton met Edwards face-to-face in North Carolina ten days later, her approach continued to impress; she even made headway with Elizabeth. Whereas in his Edwards sit-down, Obama dug himself in deeper, getting into a fight with Elizabeth about health care, insisting that his plan is universal (a position she considers a crock), high-handedly criticizing Clinton’s plan (and by extension Edwards’s) for its insurance mandate.

    The take-away: [more…]

    The implications of this story are several and not insignificant. Most obviously, it suggests that the front-runner’s diplomatic skills could use some refinement. It also raises the issue, which has cropped up in a different form after New Hampshire, Super-Duper Tuesday, and the Ohio and Texas primaries, of Obama’s capacity to close the deal.

    On the Obama campaign’s desertion of the high road:

    For all its rhetoric about practicing a new, more virtuous brand of politics, the Obama campaign has been going after Clinton hammer and tongs. Rarely a day passes without his people dubbing her a liar and a fraud….They have accused Bill Clinton of McCarthyism and invoked the infamous blue dress on which he left his, er, DNA—the latter coming on a blog post arguing that he actually makes McCarthy look benign. Indeed, it sometimes seems as if the Obamans are actively trying to cede the moral high ground.

    The article is not a Clinton puff-piece. Rather, it’s about who, if anyone in the Democratic party, could end the race.

    Despite the long history of mutual animus between Al Gore and Hillary, Gore has resisted the temptation to throw his weight behind Obama; and because of that history, even if he did, it would likely have little effect on her determination to carry on, as Gore is well aware. Edwards, who I’m told at one juncture discussed with Gore the possibility of a joint endorsement, now appears to prefer staying mum for the time being, or, if anything, backing Clinton. And Jimmy Carter has stated unequivocally his intention to refrain from choosing sides.

    As for why those closest to Hillary aren’t calling for her to withdraw from the race:

    For the moment, none of these people, as far as I know, is advising Hillary to fold. They are not idiots and they are not blind—they can read the writing on the wall and do the math as well. But they also believe that, though Clinton’s path to the nomination has narrowed to a cliff walk, it hasn’t been barricaded. If she beats Obama in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Indiana, it may widen again, should the superdelegates start questioning his durability and the potency of his electoral coalition. Or Obama’s candidacy could suddenly blow up in a more spectacular fashion—over further revelations about Wright or some other political IED planted on the roadside ahead.

    Where the article falls short is in its speculation at the end that Hillary will exit in time for a unity pony because she believes Obama will lose in November and she can then win in 2012.

    If HRC believes that Obama will lose in November, there can be no doubt that she’s already calculating, in the back of her head, the best way to position herself for 2012. A scorched-earth campaign against Obama is plainly not the way to do that. A classy exit, a show of unity, an act that apparently places party before self: That’s the ticket.

    I don’t think Hillary is thinking about 2012. I suspect she finds even the idea of another contested primary campaign exhausting right now. She’s in this to win. She’s counting on the superdelegates, and a big win in PA. Indiana would be nice, and while I don’t think she’ll carry North Carolina, she will get West Virginia, and in my view, Puerto Rico.

    By the numbers so far (pdf):

    …Going into the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, approximately 26.5 million votes have been cast in Democratic Party primaries and caucuses (excluding Florida and Michigan). Obama has received approximately 13.6 million votes, or 51.3%, and Clinton has received approximately 12.9 million votes, or 48.7%. If Florida’s vote is included, then Obama’s popular vote total is just under 14.2 million, or 50.7%, and Clinton’s is just under 13.8 million, or 49.3%. If both Florida’s and Michigan’s votes are included, then Obama’s popular vote total is just under 14.2 million, or 50.2%, and Clinton’s is 14.1 million, or 49.8%, out of the total number of votes cast thus far of 28.9 million.

    According to the Associated Press, Clinton currently has the support of 246 superdelegates, or 53.6%, to Obama’s 213, or 46.4%. Obama, however, has 1,406 pledged elected delegates, or 53%, to Clinton’s 1,249, or 47%. Combining the two results in Obama having the support of 1,619 delegates, or 52%, to Clinton’s 1,495, or 48%.

    The important part is we’re not done voting yet:

    An estimated 12 million individuals are eligible to vote in the 10 remaining Democratic primaries or caucuses (Pennsylvania, Guam, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, South Dakota.) Together, these states and territories will have 566 elected pledged delegates and 124 superdelegates.

    The superdelegates will decide this race. They won’t listen to Pelosi or Reid. Here’s where they stand so far:

    Among subcategories of superdelegates:

    Obama has the support of 12 Governors to Clinton’s 10, with 9 uncommitted.
    Obama has the support of 15 Senators to Clinton’s 13, with 20 uncommitted.
    Clinton has the support of 73 House of Representatives members to Obama’s 71, with 78 uncommitted.
    Clinton has the support of 140 members of the Democratic National Committee to Obama’s 107, with 151 uncommitted.
    Clinton has the support of 10 distinguished party leaders to Obama’s 4, with 5 uncommitted.
    Obama has the support of 2 add‐ons to none for Clinton, with 74 uncommitted.

  123. mj
    jokes aside. i rarely contribute as i don’t have alot to offer but i have emailed and visited many sites that you have referred to and for that i say thankyou.

  124. okay because so many people this evening advised others to grow up it is my nature to be contrary. i read hidalog and cracked up.

  125. winhillary: Im feeling good!!!!
    March 29, 2008 9:30 PM CDT
    $50.44

    I hope Hillary notices how many people like you support her here!

  126. MP

    Is your rep being supported by Emily’s List?

    What is her name ? I will designate a contribution if it’s allowed. Tell us something abt her.

  127. hey guys, I am a delegate for the state convention for Hillary!!!! I am so excited!!! Our county is sending 4 delegates for Clinton and 4 delegates for Obama and two at-large delegates, one for each candidate!! Hillary had won Houston county originally and today’s totals were 44votes for Obama and 36 for Clinton. The way the delegates were divided by percentages it was a tie, so I guess thats better than losing one.

  128. nothing….it was supposed to be defg, but I added an extra ‘d’. It was just something quick I came up with to start posting fast.

  129. I give Kudos to any African American ,like Ms.Lee who put their political career, and even safety on the line, by supporting Hillary. I respect John Lewis, but he flinched and like the Judas Bill Richardson ,ignored years of Clinton friendship/support to ge on the BO(stinky feet) train. I

  130. confloyd Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
    hey guys, I am a delegate for the state convention for Hillary!!!! I am so excited!!! Our county is sending 4 delegates for Clinton and 4 delegates for Obama and two at-large delegates, one for each candidate!! Hillary had won Houston county originally and today’s totals were 44votes for Obama and 36 for Clinton. The way the delegates were divided by percentages it was a tie, so I guess thats better than losing one.

    That’s great! Good work!

  131. Confloyd, this is confusing “Hillary had won Houston county originally and today’s totals were 44votes for Obama and 36 for Clinton. The way the delegates were divided by percentages it was a tie, so I guess thats better than losing one.”

    She won the original caucus? But lost today’s?

  132. can we just abolish the whole caucas system? the stories i have heard over the last 3 months are beyond absurd.

  133. Texan4Hillary was at the TX county convention today as well. And I have a number of ppl whom I cultivated to be caucus precinct captains there today too.

    I know everybody was very jittery about security and massive amounts of Obama ppl showing up –

    From chatting to some other whom I volunteered with in Houston – lots of Obama delegates were thrown out after vetting the signature lists – lots of invalid signatures, lots of ppl from Obama’s side trying to cheat, and we much of this documented, so that should be for Hillary’s gain. Crossing fingers that the final results will reflect this.

    Was told by insiders in the campaign that when it approached the Texas Democratic Party re: ALL of the caucus irregularities – most initiated by BO people – the TDP basically walked away and did nothing. What jerks.

  134. henry Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
    is voter fraud not a crime in tx?

    Seems not to be. No other state has a screwed up system like Texas. It is truly a farce.

  135. Thanks Ininla,

    This information needs to get out far and wide. I’m at least glad that those who weren’t registered were banned from the proceedings. That’s something at least.

    Cheating seems to be a pattern with a number of Obama caucus goers. I’m sure some are there for honest reasons but it gives him and all of his supporters a bad name.

  136. the way I remembered looking at the original caucas reports on March 4th, Hillary had won the countyon march4th caucas! today the delegates that showed up signed in with their candidate. The count was 44for O and 36 for Hil. Our county chair said we could not cut 1a person in half so we chose to call it a tie. This is a tiny county with only 3100 total votes and still the AA’s were out in force, questioning every little thing, we were lucky to get out of there at 8:30 pm. It started at 3pm. It was pretty nasty at times!!

  137. mj

    I saw somewhere today that some delegates from both sides did not show up or sign in on time at county conventions, that could account for the discrepancies of 1 or 2 delegate swings either way for final county totals going to the state convention.

  138. I’m am NOT looking forward to my legislative district convention next weekend. Then the weekend after that is the county convention. I don’t think I’m going to be volunteering for that.

  139. BO’s hypocrisy on voting……someone from another blog strung these togethter….don’t know who.

    Obama: ‘One of our most sacred rights as Americans is the right to make our voice heard at the polls.’ “’One of our most sacred rights as Americans is the right to make our voice heard at the polls,’ said Obama. ‘But too often, we hear reports of mysterious phone calls and mailers arriving just days before an election that seek to mislead and threaten voters to keep them from the polls. And those who engage in these deceptive and underhanded campaign tactics usually target voters living in minority or low-income neighborhoods. This legislation would ensure that for the first time, these incidents are fully investigated and that those found guilty are punished.’” [Obama Statement on Legislation to Prevent Election Fraud, 11/8/05]

    Obama ad touts his work as a ‘civil rights attorney to make sure that everybody’s vote counted.’ “OBAMA: “From the time that I moved to Chicago to be a community organizer. Working as a civil rights attorney to make sure that everybody’s vote counted. In each instance, there were naysayers who said it couldn’t be done, but when millions of voices join together and insist on change, change happens and that’s what we have to do in this election.” [Obama ad, “Hope and Change,” 11/20/07]

    Obama touted his work as a civil rights attorney ‘enforcing voting rights.’ “OBAMA: You know, when I moved to Chicago to organize (inaudible) communities, I saw what happened when folks don’t have enough political power. And so when I got out of law school, I organized the voter registration drive and we registered 150,000 new voters in 1992. Then when I started my law practice, I became a civil rights attorney, enforcing voting rights against the city of Chicago and against the state of Illinois that hadn’t implemented motor voter. So this is something that I know something about.” [Obama remarks at NAACP Forum, 7/12/07]

    Obama: “There is no place for politics in this debate – no room for those who feel they can gain a partisan advantage by keeping people away from the polls.’ “There are some issues in this country that are inherently difficult and political. Making sure that every American can cast a ballot shouldn’t be one of them. There is no place for politics in this debate–no room for those who feel that they can gain a partisan advantage by keeping people away from the polls.” [Obama Floor Speech on Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007, S 453, 1/31/07]

    Obama: ‘That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of the people…that our votes will be counted – or at least, most of the time.’ That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles. That we can tuck in our children at night and know they are fed and clothed and safe from harm. That we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door. That we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe or hiring somebody’s son. That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will he counted — or at least, most of the time. [Obama DNC Speech, 7/27/04]
    Blocks MI and FL being seated or re-running primaries.

  140. @ henry:

    You’re KIDDING, right? You are not aware of the long and illustrious history of voter-fraud in Texas?

    I say this, btw, as a dis-located Texan (well, I’ve lived a lot of places and DC is currently my home but I’ll always claim to be from Texas) who loves her home.

  141. just checked pa’s laws any falsification with regards to registration and/or voting is considered perjury and is subject to up to 7 years in prison and up to a 15k fine. that seems pretty light as those are the max.

  142. it took a long time and people were definitely ready for a fight and there were only about a 150 of us. I can’t imagine the choas in houston!

  143. check this out – the Taylor Marsh ppl are posting, but as I clicked on it, I realized that I know this girl – met her several times in TX.

    is it clear that the Obama volunteer is calling her and trying to “bamboozle” her into believing she’s a Obama delegate – when in fact, she signed up for Hillary – in a ploy to try to confuse her? – she states that all of her delegates in her precinct were being called and told the same thing by BO campaign.

    youtube.com/watch?v=nROKBU_KlZw

  144. bcc
    i must confess prior to this election i had no idea what a caucas was. i am college educated and spent the last 20 yrs in manhatan and i thought a vote was a vote and that everyone got the chance to participate. never thought about the individuals who have to work on a a saturday who have children and thus cannot set aside several hours to caucus. and registration for some of these places was non existant. so no i was not kidding but i am getting an education and unfortunately i believe my diploma will be registration as an independent.

  145. Oh, I almost forgot, there were two Hillary people watching the nomination process and I think it helped and also most of the people on the nomination committee knew each other. I was also on the nomination committee! Our county decided to back the caucas instead of throwing it out. The Obama supporter made sure we voted for the caucas system again! they were horrible!!

  146. Ann, I do not have good addresses for the, but I do for these folks:
    CNN National (Atlanta, GA)
    Jim Walton – President of CNN News Group
    E-mail: jim.walton@turner.com
    Phone: (404) 827-1500

    Rolando Santos – Executive Vice President; General Manager
    E-mail: dave.willis@turner.com
    Phone: (404) 827-4872

    Rick Davis – Executive VP – CNN News – Standards and Practices
    E-mail: rick.davis@turner.com
    Phone: (404) 827-1500

    Wolf’s was bounced back, but you can try cnn@cnn.com and lateedition@cnn.com

  147. Brazoria county defected to Clinton

    Obama won it 62% to 38% on march 4th and Hillary takes the delegates 45 to 30 today

  148. The New York Mag article is interesting, and gives validity for Hillary to stay in the race, until all the primaries are over. She may be able to close in, on the popular vote. I’m not holding my breath for FL and MI. BO is sure disenfranching millions of voters, despite his rhetoric to the contrary.

  149. moononpluto Says:

    March 29th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
    Brazoria county defected to Clinton

    Obama won it 62% to 38% on march 4th and Hillary takes the delegates 45 to 30 today

    AWESOME!!!!!

  150. “Now, …..hold up, hold up…hold up now….”

    “I don’t support Hamas or The Nation of Islam, but I whole-heartedly donate to my church that does support them.”

    “I don’t agree with the church I attend with my recently-proud American wife and children.”

  151. Anyone know who James Cone is….he is one of the founders of Black Liberation theology. Rev. Wright is an accolyte. Wright referenced Cone multiple times in an interview iwth Fox news….

    Some thoughts from Cone…

    Cone has cited Wright’s Trinity church as one of the first examples he would cite of putting liberation theology into practice.

    James Cone in his own words:

    “Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the enemy” Book: Black Theology and Black Power

    “What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of blacks to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal” states Cone.

    “If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer and we had better kill him”

  152. They’re Baaaaaacccckkkkkk

    TO DEVELOP AND DEFEND BLACK POLITICAL POWER:

    We recognize the reality of politics as being a process that controls the distribution of resources in the city and our community. We built the city, region and country, and are currently forced to pay taxes. To that end we, the New Black Panther Party engage in the political process to ensure the proper use of our communities tax dollars and other dollars that were stolen, by whites, from us.
    “Politically, Black Nationalism means to control the politics and politicians in our community.”…Malcolm X
    We shall be active in the affairs of the politics of the District, region, and National Government, which impact our people. We will deal with the local city council, regional governments, school boards, ANC’s etc. We shall back strong Black candidates when they meet the Black Agenda test requirements. We encourage political awareness and activity to further the Black agenda. All Black politicians who betray the people must be dealt with. We understand that political power is limited, absent economic power and a true knowledge of self.
    We are 100% opposed to gentrification or white takeover of the inner city. We demand full self-determination for particularly after having built the city and nation. Self-determination today is denied because of blatant racism.
    We struggle to establish our own provisional government (in unity with other Black organizations), in order take control of our communities and in preparation for our own government soon to come! We advocate political alliances with all African -Black Organizations that are uncompromising in the struggle for liberation. We also will organize with the other oppressed people of color. The New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense is all Black, not integrationist.

  153. “We shall back strong Black candidates when they meet the Black Agenda test requirements.”

    what, exactly, are these?

    and I presume Obama has met them, as they have endorsed him.

  154. From a politico post…

    Sen Obama spent his early days in a countrie that is not known for their love of America (Indonesia) . He came to America and spent 20 years in church that preached hatred for America. His wife said that she only recently started loving this country.

    If I read through this candidates resume I would not select him for:

    * Any military post

    * Any public office

    * etc…

  155. I really think that there has been a major shift in opinion…maybe not reflected in the polls. Purely anecdotal.

    I started reading the posts on Politico in early February. Almost all the posters and posts were violently anit-hilary and pro-obama. As a HRC supporter, I was like a lone voice in the woods. Now – no matter what the headline is, the only thing people want to talk about is the Wright scandal. The whole feel has changed 180 degrees from viruntly pro-obama to viruntly anti-obama. There used to be horrible pictures of Clinton posted everywhere, now there are mocking pictures/videos of Wright and BO posted everywhere. The worm has clearly turned, at least on politico.

  156. how much money can his campaign possibly have?
    american idol, the most popular show on tv, had at least three in pittsburgh which is a major market. that must have cost at least a half of a million. where are the young journalists to vet this man.

  157. BHO is not electable in GE. My church had some people get togethher tonight. every single one who I talked to is not going to vote for him simply because of Wright. Some people never vote before but will vote Mccain this year if BHO is the nominee.

  158. Henry
    Plus he has been running ads nonstop on every channel in the Philadelphia area for over a week. I am beginning to belive that he knows this is his last shot at stopping Hillary. All out ad war in a state he knows he can not win, surrogates telling Hillary to drop out. Axlerod must see the writing on the wall, if Hillary wins PA big Obama will lose the nomination as she will have the momentum heading into the final primaries. Those primaries are so close together that her momentum will be near impossible to stop.

  159. It is going to be interesting to see next week exactly how much Obama spent in March compared to Hillary. It will not surpise me if he out spent her 5 to 1 or higher and all for a losing month.

  160. A Letter to Leahy, Richardson and Casey:

    Dear Mr. Leahy,

    HOW DARE YOU suggest Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton drop out of the race as our democratic nominee?

    HOW DARE YOU collude with disenfranchising, not only voters in Michigan and Florida but the millions of voters in many other states that have not voted?

    HOW DARE YOU collude with Obama’s attempt to steal this election?

    Most of us feel it is really horrible that the republicans stole both elections in 2000 and 2004. But at least the republicans steal the election for Republicans while DEMOCRATS EAT THEIR OWN.

    If Obama gets the nomination for the Democratic Party; myself (a lifelong democrat) and an estimated 30% (would be more by November) of Hillary Clinton supporters are voting for John McCain. This is because of the ugly and discriminatory treatment that Hillary Clinton has been unfairly slammed with throughout this campaign and the desire to kill the democratic process by stopping and invalidating voter’s right to vote and be counted. Obama, the DNC and the democratic elite are responsible for dividing and attempting to destroy this party for their own egotistical and political gain. After seeing how these democrats behave, which is no better, if not worse than the republicans, I feel no reason to be loyal to this party.

    I, for one, am finished with the democratic elite.

    It is shameful that citizens have to write to their elected leaders requesting all voters be allowed to vote and all votes counted. Voting is a basic right upon which our country was founded.

    Hillary shall remain in this race throughout all remaining contests. And all votes shall be counted and all delegates applied and placed.

  161. rjk1957
    philly is even a bigger market than pgh so he must be spending several million here. but from where?
    where are you in philly? I went to Temple

  162. I am going to start writing letters to PA newspapers. We need to do gorilla marketing. We don’t have the funds BO has.

  163. good luck with the pa newspapers
    former first lady new york senator governor mayor largest crowd ever for a saint pats day parade(by some estimates 250,000 more) –story region section

    page 8 front section bambi and his mother

  164. henry Says:
    March 29th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    how much money can his campaign possibly have?

    how much Oil is there in Iraq?

  165. @henry

    “page 8 front section bambi and his mother”

    bet it wasnt a reprint of the Asia Times article!

  166. imin tx-did my conv etc and cannot figure ou t the results comming in. very confused and concerned. can soemone explain better?

  167. Yes Cat, good missive. Send it on. Dodds voice mail is full, Leahy changed his tune a little after thousands of calls to his office. HAMMER HAMMER HAMMER for AMERICAN DEMOCRACY

  168. S wrote:

    “Jen…I think you might take your niece’s letter to her teacher or the school principle and see if you can create some interest in all the students writing something about what the vote means to them, or relate a story about what the vote meant to a family member and send the letters all to the DNC…at the same time try to get the local news to cover the kids writing campaign…as in “What if your vote was taken from you as was taken away from the people who live in Florida and Michigan?”
    the beauty of the simplicity and innocence of your niece’s sentiments with the aide of some local press and a kids writing campaign sent to the DNC would surely get the attention of the average american…sometimes it takes a simple thing like a child’s pure honesty to ring the bell loud and clear for the rest of us to hear the truth…
    it also could be a wonderful experience for your niece (I had a similiar experience when I was in middle school years ago) … your niece sounds like a thinker and could become a budding activist and leader…it would not hurt to talk to her and ask her what she thinks about the idea…
    and other teachers might give it some thought…”

    My sister does plan to share my niece’s letter with her teacher– she thinks it will make the teacher feel good to know that one of her students truly got something out of that lesson on democracy. My niece’s letter is en route to Howard Dean right now. Beyond that, it depends on what she wants to do and what my sister and her hubby feel comfortable with.

  169. A good thing for Hillary is she can advertise in Northern Kentucky (Louisville, Owensboro and Covington) and cover most of northern KY and Southern IN.

  170. Jen, II would love to but cannot today. Did WAY to much for me this week. But I can hit again next week.

  171. artiste
    the worst part about the whole article was that it was 3/4 of a page without a break in the story and in the center was a picture of a pretty young woman with bambi. BUT on page 9 as the headline was the question Do different rules apply when the woman is the predator?
    the headline was directly across from bambi praise. the story had nothing to do with hill but newspaper editors do not make that kind of arrangement by mistake.

  172. @ henry:

    I hear you! I thought Iowa was the only state that did a caucus, and that was only out of some sort of little-house-on-the-prairie backwoods old-fashioned retail politics that was supposed to make us all feel warm and fuzzy about democracy.

    Yay. (raspberries)

    And in the meantime, I didn’t even KNOW Texas had a caucus (though I lived in Austin in ’92 and cast my vote for Bill at the time). I’m not the smartest person I know, but I have a master’s degree and consider myself reasonably well educated.

    Would it be bad form for me to refer back to an article that delineated so clearly the crazy built-in biases to the system we’re dealing with now? I just think it’s worth a reprint:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/03/are_the_chickens_coming_home_t.html

    Are the Chickens Coming Home to Roost?

    A few emailers have written to ask what the pledged delegate count would look like if the Democrats were to allocate delegates as the Republicans do. This is a good question. Of course, the Republican delegate allocation scheme is a hodge-podge of rules determined by state parties. Nevertheless, Republicans are notorious for allocating their delegates on a statewide winner-take-all basis. Accordingly, I reassigned Democratic delegates on a statewide winner-take-all basis, and found that Clinton, not Obama, would have a pledged delegate lead.

    This is not an argument for the way things should be. Rather, it is meant to indicate that we can get a different result depending on how we change the rules.

    The Democrats’ delegate system is designed to aggregate the individual preferences of Democratic voters into “the choice” of the party. Speaking technically, we would call the nomination scheme a social choice mechanism. Democrats individually declare their preferences, and the nomination process tells us whom Democrats as a group prefer. The above math shows that altering the particulars of the mechanism can change the social choice, even as individual preferences are held constant.

    This implies that we can evaluate the Democrats’ nominating scheme as a social choice mechanism. We can ask whether it does a good or bad job at aggregating individual preferences into a social choice.

    In my opinion, the Democrats’ nominating system stinks. It doesn’t stink as much as the Republicans’ bone-headed scheme, but it still stinks. Before I get into my list of grievances against it – I have to clear away a bit more theoretical underbrush. As I said, a nominating system such as this translates individual preferences into a social choice. Depending upon the quality of the system, it may do a better or worse job.

    We might think of it this way.

    Preferences of the Voters ->

    Social Choice Mechanism ->

    Social Choice + “Systemic Influence”

    The “Systemic Influence” would be the influence that the system itself has on the outcome. So, for instance, assume that 70% of all voters prefer Candidate A. There is some kind of nominating system that determines who wins the nomination – and Candidate A gets 95% of the vote. The difference of 25% could be called the “Systemic Influence.” Importantly, we can never reduce the expected value of systemic influence to zero. There is no perfect way to translate individual preferences into a social choice. However, that’s not to say that the Democrats couldn’t do a better job than what they do.

    The problem for the Democrats might seem small at first. Obama has won about 53% of the delegates, and about 51% of the popular vote. That is a pretty small difference. The problem is that the difference is systemic. The nominating system seems to contain several biases that favor Obama.

    First, there is a “small state” bias. This exists in the Electoral College: small states have a proportionally bigger sway than large states. The Democrats have imputed this bias into their delegate allocation scheme. We can appreciate this via the following graph. It compares the number of voters per state who voted Democrat or Republican in 2004 against the number of 2004 Kerry voters (our rough measure of Democrats per state) per pledged delegate to the convention. Don’t be confused by this latter statistic. It is really straightforward – Kerry voters divided by pledged delegates. This is meant to give us a sense of how well Democrats in a state are represented at the convention. The smaller the number, the better represented they are.

    Graph 1.jpg

    This is the small state bias at work. Small state voters are better represented at the convention than large state voters. Notice that the relationship between the two is logarithmic. For sparsely populated states, a small increase in the number of voters yields a big increase in the number of Kerry voters per delegate. With the more populous states, a big increase in population yields a small increase in the number of Kerry voters per delegate. Thus, we see a big difference between Wyoming and Hawaii, but a small difference between New York and California.

    We can “linearize” this relationship by taking the natural log of each state’s total vote. What this does is essentially turn the r-shaped relationship into a straight line. This might help us pick up on some details that the above graph is hiding.

    Graph 2.jpg

    As we can see, the basic relationship remains. Voters in larger states are not as well represented as voters in smaller states. Thus, the states form a band that move from the bottom-left to the top-right. Look carefully at it, and you’ll notice a curiosity. States at the top of the band are almost always strong Kerry states, while the states at the bottom are almost always strong Bush states.

    This implies that Bush states are better represented at the convention than Kerry states, independent of population. For instance, examine the vertical cluster of observations about a third of the way across the graph – Maine, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, West Virignia, Nebraska, and Utah. All of these states had roughly equal numbers of voters in 2004. Look carefully at their ordering. There is a general pattern there. The stronger a state goes for Bush, the better representation the Kerry voters in the state have at the convention. Maine has one delegate for every 16,500 Kerry voters. Nebraska has one for every 10,500 Kerry voters.

    This pattern persists across the whole graph – states of equal size get more or less delegates depending upon how strongly they went for George W. Bush. This implies a Republican state bias. Let’s examine this directly by comparing Kerry delegates per state with Bush’s share of the two-party vote.*

    Graph 3.jpg

    This data is strongly consistent with the theory of a Republican state bias. Of course, there is evidence of the small state bias here as well. Smaller states tend to be in the bottom-right, and larger-states in the top-left. But the tight band of observations that go from the top-left to the top-right as Bush’s share of the vote increases demonstrates this Republican bias very clearly. A few examples can amplify this point.

    -Note the states we discussed before – ME, NV, NH, NM, WV, NE, and UT. They are arrayed from the top-left to the bottom-right – with voters in Bush states getting more representation at the convention. Maine and New Hampshire are in the top-left, Nebraska and Utah are in the bottom right.

    -Note the distance between Idaho and New Hampshire – both of which have 4 electoral votes and roughly equal populations. There is one pledged Democratic delegate from Arizona for every 16,000 Kerry voters. There is one pledged delegate from New Hampshire for every 10,000 Kerry voters.

    -Compare Texas to Illinois. If there was just a “small state bias,” Illinois Democrats should be better represented than Texas Democrats. After all, Illinois is smaller than Texas. In fact, the opposite is true.

    -Compare Alabama and Connecticut, and you will see the same relationship. Connecticut is smaller, but Alabama Democrats are better represented.

    Finally, there is the caucus bias. We already know about this. Caucus participation is much lower than primary turnout – but the DNC does not take this into account when it allocates delegates to states. Accordingly, caucus state delegates have fewer Democrats “behind” them. For instance, for every one pledged Obama delegate from Minnesota, there are 2,862 pro-Obama caucus-goers. For every one pledged Obama delegate from Wisconsin, there are 15,381 Obama primary voters.

    This has the effect of enhancing the Republican state bias. Bush’s average share of the vote in the 15 states with a caucus process was about 57% (compared to 53% across all states). So, most caucus states get a boost anyway, just for being Republican. When we factor in the caucus bias – we have to conclude that the relatively few Democrats who participate in caucuses are much better represented at the convention than other voters.

    The small state bias makes sense to me. The Electoral College has a small state bias in part to protect against regional candidates from winning the White House on a sectarian campaign. It makes sense for the Democrats to have similar protective measures. However, the Republican and caucus biases seem difficult to justify. Why do they exist? Of course, there is a mathematical answer to the question (that is explored in an endnote). Delegates are allocated according to formulas that embody these biases. However, referencing the formulas only begs the question. What we are interested in is why the party has arranged matters in this manner.

    I think it is due in part to the fact that politicos have taken lousy care of the parties. The best and brightest of both parties haven’t cared enough to manage the nomination process with an eye to the future. They just don’t think much about the process, or about the party organization generally.

    At its core, the nominating system is a logically inconsistent hybrid. Both parties changed their fundamental orientation to how nominees should be chosen in the 1970s – but they did not bring fundamental change to their nomination systems. Instead, they added openness requirements to the old scheme. State parties still send delegates to a convention that decides on a nominee. The difference now is that they must have open selection methods. What we have then is a Progressive Era variation of a Gilded Era system. There is no internal logic, no answer to the question: if the voters should decide, why retain delegates and conventions?

    As a matter of fact, the system has barely been refined since the alterations of the 1970s. Forget redesigning the system to match the times. We’re talking about tweaks to improve it at the margins. These don’t really happen, either. Politicos created this hybrid with no internal consistency, and never returned to evaluate carefully whether further reforms would be needed to avoid a “perverse” result.

    And what is a “perverse” result? Let’s return to our initial schema:

    Voters Prefer Candidate A ->

    Nomination Rules Aggregate Individual Preferences into Social Choice ->

    Candidate B Wins Due to Systemic Biases in Nomination Rules

    This is “perverse.” Candidate B has effectively gamed the system – which is not to say that he intended to, but only that he was the systematic beneficiary of the biases. And so, we see voters preferring one candidate and the process conferring the nomination on another.

    This year, Barack Obama is benefiting from several of these biases. So, there is the potential for this kind of “perverse” result. It could happen that Clinton wins the votes while Obama wins the pledged delegates. It need not be this way. No system is perfect, but if Democrats had been forward-thinking about their system – they might not be in such a bind.

    This relates to a point I have made before on this page. Our country has done a poor job maintaining its political parties. We pay dearly for our negligence. Every two years, we complain about non-competitive congressional elections. In between elections, we complain that members of Congress are irresponsible and unresponsive. We ask, why is Congress broken? Perhaps it is because the parties – the greatest mechanisms ever invented for managing governmental agents – have been stripped of their power. They have been given over to what scholars call “candidate control.” Candidates are not responsible to the parties and the voters they represent. Instead, the parties are in service to the candidates. There is no doubt that the parties of the 19th and early 20th centuries were malfunctioning, corrupt, and irresponsible. But rather than reform them, we decimated them.

    I think this nomination debacle is, in part, the fault of our disregard for the political parties. They are these hollowed-out husks that cannot handle the simple task of resolving a two-way dispute. And so, many Democrats want this robust and healthy debate to end because they are worried about chaos, and rightly so. If Clinton comes all the way back, this unrefined, antiquated, foolish system is going to have to settle the matter.

    The Democrats’ hope is that Clinton or Obama humbly accepts the vice-presidential nomination (you know, the one not worth a bucket of “spit”). I find this indicative of the times. As the Democrats stare down chaos, their hope hinges upon the personalities of the candidates. That’s candidate-controlled politics in a nutshell.

    ***
    Endnotes

    [*] For the sake of visual ease – I have excluded the District of Columbia from this graph. DC only gave Bush 9% of the vote in 2004 – including it would expand the horizontal size of the graph and thus reduce the ability to see individual data points in the main cluster distinctly.

    [*] Let’s take a moment here to discuss the DNC’s delegate allocation formula. In particular, how is it that there is a “Republican bias” in it? The DNC computes a state’s base number of delegates via an “allocation factor,” which is:

    Allocation Factor = 1⁄2 × ( ( SDV ÷ TDV ) + ( SEV ÷ 538 ) )

    SDV is a state’s vote for the Democratic presidential candidates from 1996, 2000, and 2004, TDV is the total vote for the Democratic presidential candidates from those years, and SEV is a state’s electoral vote.

    I see at least three sources of Republican bias.

    First, it does not include a “discount” factor for 1996. Bill Clinton won 12 states that year that John Kerry lost in 2004. That gives the count a slight pro-Republican bias.

    Second, and relatedly, it takes no account of turnout by year. Turnout was up drastically in 2000 and 2004 over 1996. This can create “perverse” quirks in the formula. For instance, John Kerry’s 13-point loss in North Carolina in 2004 is counted about as heavily as Clinton’s 18 point victory in New Jersey in 1996.

    Third, and most important of all, partisan differences between states get squashed. The “allocation factor” is actually just the average of a state’s contribution to the party’s national vote and its contribution to the Electoral College. This favors states that favor Republicans, which can be see if we take a example.

    Let’s look at Indiana, Missouri, Tennesse, and Washington – all of which have the same number of Electoral College votes (11). We’ll examine their share of the Democratic vote, their share of the Electoral College vote, the average of the two (i.e. the allocation factor), and the difference between the average and their share of the Democratic vote.

    Republican Bias in Allocation Factor.gif

    Look at what happens. Republican states get a boost, Democratic states get a burden. So, Washington state contributed 0.8% more to Democratic victories than Indiana, but its allocation factor is just 0.4% larger. Interestingly, the size of the boost or burden depends upon how Republican or Democratic the state is. A state with no votes for Democrats and 11 electors would enjoy a boost of 1%. A state that contributes 4% of the total Democratic vote and 11 electors would suffer a burden of 1%.

    The small state bias also plays a role here. Larger states make up a proportionally smaller share of the Electoral College than small states (for instance, California’s population is 72 times the size of Wyoming’s, but its Electoral College delegate is only 18 times Wyoming’s). Thus, all small states would get some boost, regardless of how they voted. Similarly, all large states face some kind of burden. But the size of the boost or the burden depends upon partisanship. Republican states are treated better than Democratic states.

  173. @ henry:

    I hear you! I thought Iowa was the only state that did a caucus, and that was only out of some sort of little-house-on-the-prairie backwoods old-fashioned retail politics that was supposed to make us all feel warm and fuzzy about democracy.

    Yay. (raspberries)

    And in the meantime, I didn’t even KNOW Texas had a caucus (though I lived in Austin in ’92 and cast my vote for Bill at the time). I’m not the smartest person I know, but I have a master’s degree and consider myself reasonably well educated.

    Would it be bad form for me to refer back to an article that delineated so clearly the crazy built-in biases to the system we’re dealing with now? I just think it’s worth a reread:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/03/are_the_chickens_coming_home_t.html

  174. Jen the Michigander ,
    With you…did $250 today under my partner’s name b/c I’m maxed out. Big fundraising numbers for march are going to be important to help stamp out the BS calls for HRC to drop out.

  175. bcc
    wow you are kind of slow– i respnded to you like an hour ago and you just got back to me
    shit i forgot about the time difference. you prob wont get this for another three hours so any how good night

    that’s a joke

  176. watch-igot a smiliar call from obama’s hired people. real fraud guys. its also on tm front page. she is a friend of mine-one of our best. spread it far and wide guys,amin-

    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/03/29/report-any-political-dirty-tricks-right-here/#comment-752237

  177. The correct title would have been Obama lied about kennedy helping Dad, since clearly that was not an overstatement but a lie.

  178. mj…no kidding

    a lie, and they reference another one or two as well. And this is from WaPo!

    Maybe there is a worm turning

  179. By the way, the video is incomplete. The worst booing comes when she says “I’m proud to be an American”.

  180. @ henry:

    Indeed I am slow: I have 3 little girls, and they are all under 4. One of them is 4 months old. Sometimes I can nurse her and read the Internets at the same time. It will be years before I am caught up with the fleeter-of-foot of my sisters. You know? 😉

  181. I can not believe they are having Reich and Brazile on a round table. To fake neutral obama supporters. Sickening.

  182. Jen,

    Clear your cache and then hit refresh that should help. The meter is now at 24,649 donors and $1,763,291. It hasn’t updated in several hours.

  183. Check out : gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/03/29/report-any-political-dirty-tricks-right-here/#comment-752237

    There is an entire blog of BO’s misdeeds. One person wrote a list of 100 lies from BO.

    Here is one from Kim, the person in the video:

    Comment by Kim Frederick
    March 29th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
    I am the person in the video. I could write a thesis on dirty tricks that have been going on in Texas…but I’ve been up for about 24 hrs now. We had received a letter from the Obama campaign saying that we were Obama delegates. We also got a robo call from the Obama campaign that we were Obama delegates. We also got a phone call from Meyer Associates who was hired by the Obama campaign. The Meyer Associates group called friends of mine telling them their convention was moved. This group was hired by the Obama campaign. In any case…in this video…we called the Obama campaign because of the Obama robocall. My partner called first and it was REALLY misleading. So I called and decided to videotape it. I am a Hillary delegate and have been volunteering for the campaign for two months. If I wasn’t up to speed on things…I could have been easily confused and decided not to go.

    Greta…if you want the full story of what has been going on…email me…I’ll give you my number, let’s talk.

    Kim

  184. Jen,
    Otherwise, hold down your CTLR key and F5 key at the same time and that will refresh your internet page.

  185. I’ve got it, in the upcoming primaries we all stand outside polling locations holding incense and when the obamabots walk by to go vote they’ll all faint 🙄 and then it will be a landside victory for Hillary 🙂

  186. @ mj:

    Thx! They are wonderful little people and it is largely great. Except, of course, when it’s not (because children will be children, toddlers will be toddlers, babies will be babies). I try to keep my eyes on the big picture. Parenting is not the not rose parade, but parents who don’t do their job end up with obnoxious offspring that society has to resentfully accommodate, right? I’m not the first woman to do this juggling act, and I am mighty impressed by the moms who’ve done this before me. Aside: ISN’T CHELSEA AN OUTSTANDING YOUNG LADY?! I love seeing pictures of her, every time I see her I am so impressed!

    Oh, and I also believe wine is therapeutic. 😉

  187. bcc
    i think you should rename all of you children right now after kim frederick
    kidding but good for her.
    3 kids wow!!! i just fell for one meself. always thought i despised the little buggers but this ones mommy didn’t want her and my nephew wanted to keep her. so i pitched in she is my grand niece and now i watch barny.

  188. debbie

    You have to use a dog whistle, the high frequency disrupts the Obamatron brainwashing subliminal messages piped into rallys and commercials.

  189. Artiste Says:
    March 29th, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    “We shall back strong Black candidates when they meet the Black Agenda test requirements.”

    what, exactly, are these?

    and I presume Obama has met them, as they have endorsed him.

    Is that verified? They’ve been VERY negative about him in the past.

  190. oh im glad kim…she invited greta for talk..because greta frowns at wright…her looks are not happy with obambuh,she could tear obama apart if she really wanted too..but she is drip drip drip too..then a big ole bang like her old court days with oj and william kennedy smith trials…you could see a drip of it just from her interviewing with hillary…but she respects hillary…

  191. Jen…that is great news about your niece…good luck with with whatever happens…

    Catfish…great letter…you speak for many of us…

    everyone…we caught fire over at TM in connection with Greta at Fox…she posted the Obama deception video (I for one emailed it to her) and has a blog set up for any stories about any campaign dirty tricks…

    …so if anyone has any stories or articles or anything that shows Obama’s deception and lies or horrow stories from any of the states starting with Iowa caucuses, PLEASE, PLEASE send them to greta at fox

    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/03/29/report-any-political-dirty-tricks-right-here/all-comments/#comments

    …you will be happy to see people have been posting all his dirty laundry re: alice palmer, the list of his lies, horror stories, etc…

    I have been saying for days to send our research to Greta because she has been on Obama’s case every night…she goes after Hillary too, but she is extremely fair and is really scrutinizing him…

    Greta is a solid TV contact source for us…

    Admin…Thank you for all you do every day…I truly appreciate your hard work and strong voice

  192. yeah admin.. i cant wait until its over and hello President Hillary…
    hes loosing with wright on his forehead,who in there right mind would vote for a liar and pants on fire
    hes getting up there with them lies.he has many lies as he does delegates right now..lol

  193. Hey guys we need to spread that lie that obama mad far and wide! Are you all in for it! I will get that huge list that we had from the other day and start sending it. Good news is it is from a major source I hope it gets aired on fox and abc.

  194. Since we are electing our next leader, The President of the United States, in this election you would think after 8 years of non-leadership and cronyism that voter would answer the question, “How had ________ been a leader? On what issue has _________ been a leader?

    Point blank, Obama hasn’t been a leader on any issues that are of importance in this election cycle; I couldn’t list all of the issues and topics Hillary has been a leader on. And not just talking about the issues, actually going out and making a change for the good. It’s just frustrating. I am starting to think that the U.S. deserves Barack Obama as president; somebody as lazy as the typical American that can’t look at the issues and research a candidate.

  195. …so if anyone has any stories or articles or anything that shows Obama’s deception and lies or horrow stories from any of the states starting with Iowa caucuses, PLEASE, PLEASE send them to greta at fox

    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/03/29/report-any-political-dirty-tricks-right-here/all-comments/#comments

    ————————

    There’s an email address for Greta also, I saw it either at her site or at TM. The comment string at Greta’s may be getting pretty long.

  196. Bloody Hell, El Paso really came through for her, her % on March 4th was 75%, yesterday she took 89% of delegates 164 to 18.

  197. winhillary Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 2:20 am
    Hey guys we need to spread that lie that obama mad far and wide! Are you all in for it! I will get that huge list that we had from the other day and start sending it. Good news is it is from a major source I hope it gets aired on fox and abc.
    *********************************************
    WTH are you talking about…we don’t spread lies about Obama and we don’t have to lie about Obama…he’s the gift that keep on giving.

  198. Obama’s spokesman acknowledges his lie:

    Contrary to Obama’s claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama’s father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were first approached for support for the program nearly a year later, in July 1960. The family responded with a $100,000 donation, most of which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton acknowledged yesterday that the senator from Illinois had erred in crediting the Kennedy family with a role in his father’s arrival in the United States. He said the Kennedy involvement in the Kenya student program apparently “started 48 years ago, not 49 years ago as Obama has mistakenly suggested in the past.”

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032902031.html?hpid=topnews

  199. Looks like we need a video of him saying one thing and doing another so we can beat it up on youtube.

  200. dedfg

    Good morning. I have been up all night but Im in california so time is different for us all. Im hitting the sheets!

  201. (carbynew) I will ask in a postive manner, may I ask who this person is and represents? I got feedback that was not positive. Just thought someone could inform me on this blogger. Thank you.

  202. Good morning Hillfans. With so much coming up this week, thought I’d finalize this list for now and get it out there. Very interesting.

    Rezko’s dirty money list

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/follow-money-doj-exhibit-rezkos-dirty.html

  203. I waz beginning to think nobody home. Just got off phone with my sister and she is feeling bogged down in all the minutia on the airwaves right now. Had to pump her up.

  204. I was reading the Gretawire blogs and there is a lot of trash there among a few good stories.

    I am asking H4T and the other who went to Texas Caucus Conventions yesterday to report their stories there for some REAL investigations by Greta. Also, with all the hype for the Rush Limbaugh “operation Chaos” stuff, if we can get the “Democrat for a Day” stuff up there too (I don’t have it) with the Florida Videos and the Las Vegas stuff, it might spark some interest. Greta is taking ANY Dirty Campaign tactics from any side. They will need to be verifiable. I think we have a lot here. I think this email works. If not, go to the site. Greta answering in real time if there is something she needs to comment upon.

    ontherecord@foxnews.com

    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/03/29/report-any-political-dirty-tricks-right-here/all-comments/#comments

  205. Dot..NO television for me yesterday. On today, but volume down! I just can’t listen to this blather. There is very little real (or new) analysis on ANYTHING. It’s amazing the guys keep their jobs.

  206. Listened to stephanopoulos. Rendell was great. kerry horseface is intoxicated on koolaid.

    RT -Will and another guest talking about fairness, how FL and MI could tip the scales toward HRC – disenfranchizing votes will be a disaster.
    And then there’s Brillo-head who’s saying basically that the nomination will be sown up by June 10. there’s no reason to discuss a credential committee fight, that (HRCe) would ruin the partyif she tried that and by the end of the primary season (she says it’s June 10) the dems will have their nominee.
    Sounds to me like more ammo for the Deaniac bombshell on Friday that the nominee will be decided by July1, at latest, which removes the possibility for a Florida and Michigan resolution and therefore hands the ticket to BO.

    Brillohead citing the rules, the rules the rules. the AA talking head mantra – the rules the rules – i wanted to reach through my tv screen Frirday and strangle Roland Martin. Dobbs was interviewing him and he was shouting about the rules the rules the rules. Martin finally mumbled something and Dobbs looked at him in amazement, asking, “Did you just say ‘whatever?”

  207. Well..the RULES state thatt the DNC had the option to award HALF the delegates like the RNC did.

    The RULES also state that if a state makes a “reasonable effort” to comply with the date of the Primary the DNC WANTS, then if the State doesn’t allow it, it is not to be penalized. The State DID those things in the Repub legislature here, and they never got out of Committee. There WILL be a lot more to come on this. Dean, Brazile et all are going to get their asses sued off by the people of Florida. You watch.

  208. winhillary carbynew is a longtime and very trusted Hillary supporter, who has fought like a tiger for our gal.

    What I myself find suspicious is that every time I log onto this blog lately, YOU, the newcomer, are running around trying to throw suspicion on this or that person who has been here a lot longer than you.

    You may be for real, but if so, you ought to check yourself. At worst it looks trollish, and at best it’s just plain rude. Knock it off.

    And carbynew is right – we have no need to lie about Obama, he is so full of lies and serious problems with his record and his associations that there is plenty there.

  209. winhillary,
    I think it was a simple misunderstanding…..

    you were saying….let’s spread this lie by BO far and wide (meaning the lie re: Kennedy’s paying for airlift of BO’s father.”

    carbynew interpreted it as “let’s spread lies about BO”

  210. there needs to be a big push by the MEN here … call the DNC and Call these senators offices and others…media trying to push its just WOMEN who are wanting Hillary to stay in. Get your hubby, brother, father whoever is male to get on the horn with Howard Dean and let him know that it’s just not women.

    Woman on tv just admitted they think its just women who are telling her to stay in .. also, pushing this as THE big story now cause in truth they don’t want to talk about the issues. Just sickening.

  211. there needs to be a big push by the MEN here … call the DNC and Call these senators offices and others…media trying to push its just WOMEN who are wanting Hillary to stay in. Get your hubby, brother, father whoever is male to get on the horn with Howard Dean and let him know that it’s just not women.

    Woman on tv just admitted they think its just women who are telling her to stay in .. also, pushing this as THE big story now cause in truth they don’t want to talk about the issues. Just sickening.

  212. Universal, could you pl. do a diary on this? It shows how Clinton can work with her arch enemies, people who tried to bring them down, how she can impress them with her intelligence and win them over? Imagine what she can do on a world stage!

    —————————
    Exactly! Could someone do a diary highlighting Scaife’s article and how Clinton out-smarts and wins over her adversaries? Taylor may be a blog on the frontpage?

    By Richard M. Scaife
    Pittsburg TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_559659.html

  213. WOW PM! Thanks for that post.

    What a difference it makes when people actually SPEAK WITH HER!

    And THAT is what the stupid folks like Dean & Co are afraid of. They DO NOT WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, they want their own power grab.

    we need to send this article out!

  214. All this talk about Hillary getting out, only makes sense, in the respect that she is a real challenge to the BO camp. No one is talking about Gravel getting out. The closer she gets in pledged delegates and popular vote, and winning the majority of the remaining states gives her a case for momentum and electability. This is what everyone is afraid of. She will have a case to get the nomination. All this talk about only women want her to stay in, is hogwash. It is just a distraction.

    Talk about entitled. I would say, BO is acting more entitled than anyone at this point in time. No one is talking about, the fact that he is stealing the election, by not consenting to a re-vote in MI. The situation in FL is deplorable, and the delegates should be seated.

  215. Artiste, I believe Obama is in Penn, he’s on a bus tour.

    Hillary on the other hand has gone to Indiana and now is in Kentucky! Cool eh? I was surprised though that her wesbite for Kentucky does not have this information, it’s critical that we get the word out for her in Kentucky!

  216. I need the Florida Voters here who have my email to contact me. If you do not have my email, please just let me know who you are so I can make a list to cross reference with others so we may contact you

  217. I’m not the best writer, but has anyone done a diary or letter contrasting BO’s stance on the rights of voters vs his behavior regarding the re-vote for MI? His behavior is in stark contrast, to what he has said in the past. Just words? Just words?…. Seems to be the case. I wonder, what Greta would do with that? If anything.

    That Pittsburg Trib article was very good. It does seem, that when people meet Hillary in person, she wins them over. She has very good diplomatic skills. A skill, that BO does not possess.

    I hope, May is big for FL. Whatever that means, but I’ll take your word for it.

  218. birdgal,
    Here’s some ammo re: BO’s hypocrisy on voting…..

    Obama: ‘One of our most sacred rights as Americans is the right to make our voice heard at the polls.’ “’One of our most sacred rights as Americans is the right to make our voice heard at the polls,’ said Obama. ‘But too often, we hear reports of mysterious phone calls and mailers arriving just days before an election that seek to mislead and threaten voters to keep them from the polls. And those who engage in these deceptive and underhanded campaign tactics usually target voters living in minority or low-income neighborhoods. This legislation would ensure that for the first time, these incidents are fully investigated and that those found guilty are punished.’” [Obama Statement on Legislation to Prevent Election Fraud, 11/8/05]

    Obama ad touts his work as a ‘civil rights attorney to make sure that everybody’s vote counted.’ “OBAMA: “From the time that I moved to Chicago to be a community organizer. Working as a civil rights attorney to make sure that everybody’s vote counted. In each instance, there were naysayers who said it couldn’t be done, but when millions of voices join together and insist on change, change happens and that’s what we have to do in this election.” [Obama ad, “Hope and Change,” 11/20/07]

    Obama touted his work as a civil rights attorney ‘enforcing voting rights.’ “OBAMA: You know, when I moved to Chicago to organize (inaudible) communities, I saw what happened when folks don’t have enough political power. And so when I got out of law school, I organized the voter registration drive and we registered 150,000 new voters in 1992. Then when I started my law practice, I became a civil rights attorney, enforcing voting rights against the city of Chicago and against the state of Illinois that hadn’t implemented motor voter. So this is something that I know something about.” [Obama remarks at NAACP Forum, 7/12/07]

    Obama: “There is no place for politics in this debate – no room for those who feel they can gain a partisan advantage by keeping people away from the polls.’ “There are some issues in this country that are inherently difficult and political. Making sure that every American can cast a ballot shouldn’t be one of them. There is no place for politics in this debate–no room for those who feel that they can gain a partisan advantage by keeping people away from the polls.” [Obama Floor Speech on Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007, S 453, 1/31/07]

    Obama: ‘That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of the people…that our votes will be counted – or at least, most of the time.’ That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles. That we can tuck in our children at night and know they are fed and clothed and safe from harm. That we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door. That we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe or hiring somebody’s son. That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will he counted — or at least, most of the time. [Obama DNC Speech, 7/27/04]

  219. I think we should email these quotes of BO’s far and wide – to every pundit and editorial writer. Unbelievable hypocrisy. Who has the best list?

  220. Artiste, if there is a successfully million people march demanding therir vote to be counted in FL, it will be huge.

  221. arti,

    sent you 3 messages. did you get them?

    Dot, working on putting that big doc into an attachment and emailing it to you through hillbill.

  222. @birdgal,

    Good idea. I just emailed those quotes and a few choice comments about BO’s hypocrisy to Greta.

  223. Mt Dora…..just hang on to them, and PRIVATELY ask them to go to the site II told you about and contact the phone number I gave you

    we need the help

    I am still waiting to hear more

    I’ll keep you posted

  224. MtDora, just give them the name and the number. Tell them to use my name. But PLEASE dont publish the number

  225. Ann: I also mailed it to Greta, but it can’t hurt.

    If you haven’t signed the petition to seat FL and MI:

    hillaryclinton.com/action/flmi/

  226. Anyone here with a mydd account who can write up a diary on BO inconsistencies? I have amassed a bunch of detail on BO’s campaign of misinformation on Rezko, voting and Wright. I think would make a good diary but don’t have mydd account.

  227. MtDora…..

    You obviously got the correct number!

    I just spoke to the contacct and they said you called yesterday! THIS IS GREAT!

    and CONGRATS ON YOUR POSITION! (Should you choose to accept it!)

  228. I told all of you guys last night that I was elected a delegate for the state convention yesterday. I did not tell you all that the whole meeting was supposed to last 2 hrs and its lasted almost 6 hrs. The AA’s and several other white O Supporters slowed the whole process down. They questioned everything. The very first thing that was told to me when I was signing in was that you could sign in for a different candidate than the one you voted for on March 4th.
    We had to form two committee’s a nominations committee and a resolutions committee. The AA’s made sure that both of these committees had equal amounts of o and h supporters, which was fine, but lots of folks did not want to do it, so it took extra time.
    It really made no difference as the nominations committe did nothing but interview the at-large delegates and alternates. We got out of the meeting and the BO supporters insisted on listening to each delegate’s reason’s for wanting to go to the convention.
    The whole process was just obstructed at every turn and alot of people left early because we were told the convention never took over 2 hours. There were many AA’s and one of the most vocal obstructionists came from a Reverand that hadn’t lived here very long. I thought that was ironic!!

  229. James Carville is a very smart man and Obama people are arrogant idiots.

    They are going to lose the G.E. with their arrogance. I know my state and Obama will not win CA, I don’t care what Nancy Pelosi and any of the Dems told him…HE WILL NOT WIN CA and it’s not about the Clintons it’s about the California electorate and how they vote.

  230. Artiste, if the DNC dare to niminate BHO, Pelosi will be down grade to minority leader because GOP will swipe the white house, the house and the senate because of Wright.

  231. Meiyingsu…I agree, but it wont be that the RNC will SWIPE the WH…many Dems across the country will make sure they have it and NOT BO

  232. Artiste @ 11:48 am.

    Are you suggesting if BHO gets the nomination we should vote GOP for every post? I haven’t even thought about that at this point.

  233. Morning all………did anyone watch the show today with George Stephenopagus (sp LOL) anyways, i missed the first half of it
    but in the latter half they were talking about super delegates et all and George made a quick little comment that caught my ear
    and it was in reference to SD’s weighing in now (early) and George said “i don’t think that is something he would want them to do right now” he being obama…..his comment went unnoticed? or just “ignored” as they didn’t want to all comment on that one.

    what do you suppose that means?

    my thoughts are that obama shouldn’t want the SD’s to pick right now because he wouldn’t get them and george must have some insider information!! I am sure he’s talked to most if not all of them and he must know the consensus is NOT FAVORABLE to Obama! 😀

    Also on the news this am, Obama is now joining in the call for this primary to be over in june (he wants the SD to decide by july 1st as well)
    And Mondays news is going to be that Hillary’s campaign manager Maggie Williams sits on the board of a major sub prime mortgage company and they are saying
    Monday Clinton Campaign will have some questions to answer on that…..

    So look out here comes another big wave at Hillary!

  234. I’ll vote GOP down ticket as well…all the way. Our dem sweep in 06 haven’t done shit so I really won’t feel bad about it.

  235. meiyingsu,

    Obambi has peaked and the slide will continue…TEAM OBAMBI did not help the cause this morning with their arrogant elitist surrogances all over TV this morning.

    John Kerry’s SURRENDER remarks on everything that is American was very telling today Sunday morning talk show. He got on NATIONAL TV and swiftboaded Hillary Clinton’s Healthcare by surrendering the issue before the battle. So they presented the WEAKER bill that you know will be weakened more in committees….THIS GUY IS A PUSSY and like the old saying goes “LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE.”

    We would STILL have SLAVERY if we had to depend on NANCY PELOSI, JOHN KERRY, BILL RICHARDSON and HOWARD DEAN!!!

  236. with regards to the pitts trib article when clinton announced she was running for the senate in new york i was definately amongst her distractors. i had planned on voting for rudy but then i went and heard her speak. to say i was impressed would be an understatement.

  237. I guess Maggie Williams sits on the bankrupted Delta Fianacial board

    Fox news is reporting on this story now

  238. that would be a great opportunity to point out ALL the money that Obama has taken from the industry. Also, good time to get it out that she’s AA as well. I don’t think most people put her face with her name.

  239. Sherm…II would never tell someone how to vote…I will say why I PERSONALLY WILL NOT VOTE for Obama. And I will try and got others to see what we have here with him.

    That being said, I see that the Democratic Congress under Pelosi and Reid have done VERY VERY little of ANYTHING for the American People and done NOTHING that they promised to implement in their 2006 win, ther than Minimum Wage (and THAT was tepid).

    I canot say I would vote for ALL Down ticket GOP, but I woould certainly look more closely at their personal records. I no more want a Tom Delay or Trent Lott and I want a Pelosi or Reid.

  240. I think Hillary ought to bring Maggie with her during the next tops and let Maggie tell everybody .. also, start confronting this stuff right with the voters .. kill the media before they get a chance.

    Tell the voters the media is trying to forcefeed a nominee before they get to vote.

    Tell them her back is against the wall.

    Start playing that Rocky song … as the theme song.

  241. OK gang…it’s a BEAUTIFUL DAY here. I am heading down to the pool to see if I can stop looking like I live in an igloo!

    I’m taking the laptop…just don’t know how well the wireless will work from here to there. I KNOW I cannot load video.

    Back in a few

  242. So, what are they saying about Maggie sitting on the board of a defunct sub-prime mortgage company? Do they talk about all of the donations, that BO has received from the various sub-prime mortgage companies. Maggie is not being paid for her services to the Hillary campaign, so that should weaken the conflict of interest argument.

  243. takebackmyvote postings prompted my sister in law to send off a 250 donation to hillary. she was so appalled by the fake idunn. so thankyou to the trolls.

  244. Re: the Maggie Williams story, this is from Savage Politics:
    This of course is reminiscent of Barack Obama’s own brush with a controversial sub-prime mortgage lender within his campaign, Penny Pritzker, who actually owned the now infamous Superior Bank in Chicago and who directly participated in countless predatory lending practices (particularly aimed at Minority borrowers). Said bank even drove the sub-prime mortgage crisis at the time (please read SP article HERE and HERE). Pritzker remains Obama’s Campaign Finance Chair.

    So, does the Obama camp have a leg to stand on? I think not.

  245. today’s a good day!

    Washington Post: “Don’t Stop Campaigning, Why Rush the Nomination” editoral

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032901846.html

    Pittsburgh Tribune: “Hillary, reassessed” Last two paragraphs said, “But it does mean that I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today than before last Tuesday’s meeting — and it’s a very favorable one indeed. Call it a “counterintuitive” impression.”

  246. yes….CA SD are meeting this weekend. I have the list of uncommitted SDs in CA with contact info. It would be great if we could all fax them letters today in support of HRC. That would only reinforce BC’s message. It would be impressive for them to get to their offices tomorrow and hear about hundreds of faxes that came in on Sunday. Sent mine yesterday – anyone?

  247. keep writing the local editorial boards in the upcoming states. the more local coverage, the better. people are getting confused and I’ve had to explain to a couple people that it ain’t over cause msn wants to make it so.

  248. The Maggie William issue is a distraction and I really don’t care. But the media will spin this and I hope Maggie Williams don’t apologize or leave because she has been very, very effective.

    Board members are assigned committees based on their expertise or are giving the position to curry favor…because I know so many political people on boards for this reasons. So I don’t care since WALL STREET, THE CONGRESS, GWB ADMIN AND THE FEDS are ultimately responsible for this mess.

  249. hey whats the latest on the money meter for Hillary? I cant see it I only see the petition thing, help!

  250. @dot48,
    Think it is. Hillbilly had posted the PA_IN_WV_NC list but I also sent him the updated list that included CA last night. Is it there?

  251. # LesleyESF Says:
    March 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Re: the Maggie Williams story, this is from Savage Politics:
    This of course is reminiscent of Barack Obama’s own brush with a controversial sub-prime mortgage lender within his campaign, Penny Pritzker, who actually owned the now infamous Superior Bank in Chicago and who directly participated in countless predatory lending practices (particularly aimed at Minority borrowers). Said bank even drove the sub-prime mortgage crisis at the time (please read SP article HERE and HERE). Pritzker remains Obama’s Campaign Finance Chair.

    So, does the Obama camp have a leg to stand on? I think not.
    *********************************************************

    Good to know…….I was just in helping to make brunch and thinking this will be a perfect time for
    Hillary camp to bring out the information about all the NOI members on Obama’s campaign as
    Well as all those lenders that are supporting him financially 😀

  252. HELP whats the latest on the money meter on her website I cant see it cuz its only has the sign the petition thing

  253. todays washington post.

    In her most definitive comments to date on the subject, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton sought Saturday to put to rest any notion that she will drop out of the presidential race, pledging in an interview to not only compete in all the remaining primaries but also continue until there is a resolution of the disqualified results in Florida and Michigan.

    Yup….and we’ll be right there with you.

  254. Guys,
    contacting SDs is very important. I have received replies. They are listening. It is not possible to email the SDs who are reps because you have to live in their districts to send them email. You have to fax. I have a fax machine in my house, and I have the fax numbers of CA, PA, IN, WV and NC SDs.

    Anyone who wants to can email the text of a letter. I can print and fax. I can keep the machine humming for the next 24 hours.

  255. Kerry Echoes Call For Superdelegates

    Mar 30, 2008
    ——————————————————————————–
    (The Politico) Sen. John F. Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, joined the growing chorus of high-profile Democrats who believe superdelegates should come together and make a decision on the Democratic nominee by July 1.

    Kerry (D-Mass.), who has endorsed Barack Obama, said on ABC’s “This Week” that the spring and early summer is critical for a presidential candidate to get geared up for the general election, and the Democratic fighting is giving John McCain a free pass to build momentum.

    But Kerry stopped short of calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton to drop out of the Democratic race, saying she has “every right in the world to continue to fight.” Two other New England senators, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Chris Dodd of Connecticut, called on Clinton this week to get out of the race.

    Kerry joined Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean and Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen in a demand that the superdelegates — who will inevitably determine the Democratic nominee — make a group decision by July 1. The last primary is June 7 in Puerto Rico.

    Clinton, however, told reporters on Friday that she is staying in the campaign until the convention.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/30/politics/politico/thecrypt/printable3980574.shtml

  256. All,
    Contacting SDs if very important. I have recieved replies. They are listening

    It is impossible to email the SDs who are reps unless you live in their districts. I have a fax machine in my home. If anyone wants to they can send me the text of a letter and I can print and fax to all of them. I can keep the machine humming for the next 24 hours if necessary.

  257. Hillary for Texas,
    don’t want to post b/c of prying eyes. Do you have email – I can send to you. also w/ how best to do it.

  258. AmericanGal just go over to politwix.com/kt and register. Then let me know here that you have done it, leave me the first 3 digits of your email address here for verification and i’ll give you access.

  259. Have not had much time to post. I am continuously donating. Keep up the good work, guys. (Wonder where Hawk is?)

  260. I think we should really slam the MSM with emails about Dean calling for a solution before the convention because they don’t want Michigan and Florida to be counted. It is obvious that was his reason for saying it. It blows my mind that the DNC would be willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.

  261. Ann, I don’t post my email on here, but

    ADMIN, IF YOU ARE LISTENING, I AM SENDING YOU A NOTE. PLEASE PASS MY EMAIL ON TO ANN! THANKS!

  262. “This is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”

    Winston Churchill

  263. h4t
    donot post your email here. i did and got several thousand male enhancement missives and the address i posted here i only used here. i also got quite a few nasty notes explaining why i was living a life not worth living.

  264. Hope you have a good spam filter, Ann!

    I am helping out the campaign today, Bill is coming to Medford, Oregon. He was originally scheduled to be at a small junior high school but they moved to the largest HS in the valley due to the number of RSVP’s they got. I was also told that they will open an office here, so you know I’ll be volunteering!

  265. Senator Clinton is so honorable and strong, always looking down the road at the general election when no one else has the brains to do that. These boys need to shut up and the woman get it done!!

  266. Some good news.

    Ok guys, i did some figuring out, the caucuses, yesterday I think will end up approximately 53 to 46 to Obama, thats down 3% for Obama from March 4th which means a probable 2 delegate loss to Obama from then.

    So his 12% point lead from March 4th will only a 7% after today, i think.

  267. I have persuaded two of my neighbors to each donate $1,200 to the Hillary campaign.

    Also, I am making calls to some people I know here in IL that regreat voting for Obama. I think I can squeez another $6,000-$15,000 from these people seeing as they are your typical rich liberals who had already donated the max to Obama.

  268. I think Hillary’s campaign most likely is either very close to or has already surpassed the 3 million dollar mark and is just keeping the counter there to get more donations :p

  269. John Kerry needs to shut up. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. He needs to start worrying about his own election, I hope he lose BIG TIME.

    Hillary is going to win this.

  270. I’m going to start donating to whoever opposes John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Richardson, Casey, Leahy, and McCaskill. These people make me puke.

  271. Thanks linfar 😀 just doing what I can to help Hillary. 🙂

    I have actually helped raise/bundle more money than that, but I just though I’d air out my most recent work for the trolls to worry about 😀

  272. henry, my aunt asked permission first of the hillary supporter employees and then gave them “bonuses” in amounts of $2,300 to donate 🙂

  273. mjs
    great but i don’t think it is something one should discuss. orca i am sure provided a way that her employees could contribute to bambi but it is illegal.

  274. wow…i found THIS post on the Obama-“blech”-board:

    “I’m watching it too… Beautiful service.. Tears.. God is in this church.. Praise the Lord for Obama, for introducing me to this church..
    Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord.. God is so Good.. Lift up the name of the Lord.. ”
    —————————————–
    *VOMITS*

    Ok. That does it. IF THIS MAN EVER COMES NEARRRR THE PRESIDENCY, I’M GOING TO MOVE TO CANADA.

  275. Thanks to whoever posted that N.Y. Mag story about why Edwards isn’t endorsing Obama, etc.

    I don’t doubt Hillary thinks Obama will lose in November, and I believe she is keeping her options open for 2012.

    Also, I wouldn’t worry about the Maggie Williams thing. She can take care of herself, and HRC’s campaign just needs to push that memo outlining all the money Obama got from subprime lenders.

  276. MJS, are you a troll looking to make trouble for Hillary?

    That’s against the federal election laws.

  277. I personally hope that when Presideny Hillary CLinton takes over in January of 2009, her first job would be to send Senator Barack Obama on “special” missions to Meson-lithu-sambica and maybe Mars for AT LEAST 30 years 🙂

  278. wtf Plural? no. I’m not.
    And either way, there were posts on other sites about people donating to her or bambi under their friends names or something because they had reached the max, yet no one screamed bloody murder about it?

  279. ok then henry, but I’m not the one doing it. And as this is a board, I hardly expect anyone will be able to go after me about it. And either way, she got their consent. She gave them “bonuses” and they donated the full amount to hillary’s campaign. That’s hardly illegal.

  280. MJS

    This is why bambi is getting large donations. They have been doing this all the time. This is nothing new

    Tell your aunt THANKS

  281. and I HARDLY see how this could make Hillary look bad. as, first of all, it is not illegal. Second of all, she isn’t asking for this in any way.

    nothing illegal. period. I wrote it in the wrong way, but the actual situation is very legal and something I’m very proud of.

  282. call superdelegates. Don’t mention that you know they are superdelegates. Ask them to go to Hillary’s website and look at her speech dates … that she has been giving speechs for over a year and asking for things to be done .. it’s not just something that just startedd. I have been telling them that she has been proposing solutions for over a year .. but everybodys been tied up in the religious theme of the election. LOOK AT HER SPEECHES AND THE DATES OF HER PROPOSLAS…she has been working not talking

  283. Thank you for that neetabug 🙂 It’s obvious and clear that Bam Bam has been doing this for awhile. His supporters are even talking aobut making up fake names to donate O.o outright on boards.

  284. go to HillBill forum..find # and fax numbers. today is not the day to phonebank but we can contact superdelegates

  285. you actually can loan someone $ to donate with. I checked with a lawyer and even if they NEVER pay you back it is legal. All they have to do is agree to pay you back and if they don’t .. well, no biggie.

  286. i just wish she would get paypal on her website, for those of us who do not use credit cards. Obama has this ability, why don’t we?????

  287. Great Video Linfar!

    ok…now I MUST get back to my hw! I have some Advanced Placement tests coming up in May, the SATs, and ACTS are all in May and June too! (with one in April)

    Urgh.

    Anyways, keep doing your job scouts, and remember to always put your own priorities too! Hillary wouldn’t want you guys falling behind on the necessities to rush to her aid 😉 😀

  288. MJS Says:
    some people I know here in IL that regreat voting for Obama. I think I can squeez another $6,000-$15,000 from these people seeing as they are your typical rich liberals who had already donated the max to Obama.

    That’s fantastic! Maybe they could donate to help the “takebackmyvote” site or whatever the name is, that was for recovering Obama supporters but the bots hacked it — or for starting a similar site with better security.

  289. For those who can’t see the update on Hill’s website, so far $1,921,040 raised, with 1 day 11 hours 9 minutes and 7 seconds counting…

    We’re in it to win it!!

    Please everyone donate today if you can!

  290. linfar
    i am unable to register on mydd. very odd my curser will not allow me to click on the register button

  291. plural,

    mjs is not a troll, mjs has been a regular on this site a long time.
    mjs is over enthusiastic alot of the time, but no troll.
    dumb sometimes, no troll…

  292. hey all – some good stuff on Taylor Marsh right now: washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032902031.html

    Obama had to finally admit that when it comes to John F. Kenney and his father, OOPS applies.

    Contrary to Obama’s claims in speeches in January at American University and in Selma last year, the Kennedy family did not provide the funding for a September 1959 airlift of 81 Kenyan students to the United States that included Obama’s father. According to historical records and interviews with participants, the Kennedys were first approached for support for the program nearly a year later, in July 1960. The family responded with a $100,000 donation, most of which went to pay for a second airlift in September 1960.

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton acknowledged yesterday that the senator from Illinois had erred in crediting the Kennedy family with a role in his father’s arrival in the United States. He said the Kennedy involvement in the Kenya student program apparently “started 48 years ago, not 49 years ago as Obama has mistakenly suggested in the past.” … ..

    Obama’s Selma speech offers a very confused chronology of both the Kenya student program and the civil rights movement. Relating the story of how his parents met, Obama said: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Junior was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama.” … ..

  293. skmf12 – there were many veterans who used to be on the board, who pre-dated many of you, and who are now come and who thought that MJS was a troll.

    I believe that MJS is really a Hillary fan – just a bit young.

  294. HillBillyLover Says:
    March 30th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    I think we should really slam the MSM with emails about Dean calling for a solution before the convention because they don’t want Michigan and Florida to be counted. It is obvious that was his reason for saying it. It blows my mind that the DNC would be willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.

    Heh. I think he’s cutting off his nose to SAVE his face. The DNC fouled up with FL/MI and don’t have the guts to reverse their decision, so they want the issue to go away.

    I hope they’re not willing to lose the GE over it, though.

  295. ininla,

    yeah thats what i just said…
    many here have a changed names, so its hard to jump down anyones throat, cause many changed ‘personas’…

    but mjs is not a troll, i myself had it out with mjs when he first came on, but he’s just fine…

  296. neetabug, what a great idea.

    but upthread someone said we can’t email them. We could certtainly include the link or whatever on a fax to them though.

  297. Henry, that is rthe weirdes thing about mydd I’ve heard yet.

    I will see if I can registeryou, if you want 🙂

  298. you should pass this around people!

    From BostonNow.com

    Penny Pritzker is the National Finance Chair of 2008 Democratic Party presidential candidate Barack Obama’s campaign. Yet the Obama campaign’s national finance chair served as chairman of the Superior Bank from 1989 to 1994, before this savings and loan institution collapsed in July 2001.

    Created at the end of 1988 as the successor bank to the failed Lyons Savings Bank, the Oakbrook Terrace/Hinsdale, Illinois-based Superior Bank was 50 percent owned by Chicago’s billionaire Pritzker family. Yet, according to an Oct. 16, 2001 statement before the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs by Ely & Company Inc. President Bert Ely, the Pritzker family’s Superior Bank “started life with enormous tax benefits and a substantial amount of FSLIC-guaranteed assets under a FSLIC Assistance agreement.” In a December 2002 article (“Tremors In The Empire) that appeared in “Chicago Magazine,” Shame Tritsch noted, for instance, that for investing $42.5 million in the failed Lyons Savings Bank before it was reopened as Superior Bank, the Pritzkers and their business partner received an estimated $645 million in federal tax credits and loan guarantees; but “by one estimate, it would have cost the government $200 million less simply to shut Lyons down.”

    Yet according to Ely’s Oct. 16, 2001 statement, “Superior’s trick, or business plan” under Penny Prtizker’s chairmanship was apparently “to concentrate on subprimelending, principally on home mortgages, but for a while in subprime auto lending, too,” after the Pritzkers’ bank acquired its wholesale mortgage organization division, Alliance Funding, in December 1992.

    With a business loss estimate of between $350 million and $1 billion, the 2001 failure of the Pritzkers’ Superior Bank represented the largest U.S.-insured deposition institution to fall between 1992 and 2001. But according to a Feb. 7, 2002 report of FDIC Inspector General Gaston Gianni Jr., “the failure of Superior Bank was directly attributable to the Bank’s Board of Directors and executives ignoring sound risk management principles.”

    Coincidentally, the Obama presidential campaign’s National Finance Chair was a member of the Superior Bank’s board of directors which apparently ignored sound risk management principles. As the Aug. 7, 2001 issue of the “New York Times” observed:

    “The Prtizkers controlled half the board seats. Penny Pritzker…was on the board, and Glen Miller, a top financial officer in the Pritzker organization, was chairman of the audit committee…Penny Pritzker…was designated…to watch over the Superior investment.”

    “Business Week” magazine also noted in a Sept. 10, 2001 article (‘The Pritzkers’ Empire Trembles”) that “as of July [2001],” Penny Pritzker “was still a director of the thrift’s holding company, Coast-to-Coast Financial Corp….”

    The Superior Bank board of directors on which the Obama presidential campaign National Finance Chair sat “paid dividends and other financial benefits without regard to the deteriorating financial and operating condition of Superior,” according to FDIC Inspector General Gianni’s Feb. 7, 2002 report. As Ely & Company Inc. President’s Ely’s Oct. 16, 2001 statement observed:

    “Superior paid $188 million in dividends in the 1989-1999 period, which gave Superior’s stockholders an 18.1 percent pretax cash return on their initial investment of $42.5 million in Superior.”

    Before Superior Bank’s 2001 collapse, stockholders like the Pritzker family members also “may have reaped additional profits from the substantial tax benefits the Federal Government gifted to them” when they acquired the failed Lyons Savings Bank in 1988 and created the successor Superior Bank, according to Ely’s Oct. 16, 2001 statement. Between 1992 and 1998, for instance, Superior Bank claimed a Federal tax credit of $10.6 million and only began to pay a meaningful amount of Federal income tax in 1999.

    To avoid being punished for the failure of Superior Bank, the Pritzker family agreed to pay the FDIC $460 million. Yet even with this settlement, the failure of the Superior Bank due its board’s apparent mismanagement cost the federal thrift insurance agency (and U.S. taxpayers) about $440 million.

    The 1,400 Superior Bank depositors whose savings deposits in excess of $100,000 were uninsured, however, brought a federal civil racketeering suit against Penny Pritzker and other former Superior Bank officials. Not surprisingly, “Business Week” magazine reported in September 2001 that “the collapsing Superior Bank, a $2.3 billion thrift that” Penny “Pritzker chaired from 1989 to 1994” was “ putting the family business savvy under the klieg lights in Washington and beyond.”

    Less than two years after the U.S. Senate’s Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs held a hearing on “The Failure of Superior Bank,” former Superior Bank Chairman of the Board Pritzker, coincidentally, began to financially back Obama’s 2004 campaign to become a U.S. Senator from Illinois: As David Mendell recalled in his 2007 book “Obama: From Promise To Power:”

    “Obama was confident that he was destined for more than a day job running a foundation or practicing law or languishing in the minority party in the Illinois senate…He invited a group of African-American professionals to the house of Marty Nesbitt, who had served as finance chairman of his congressional campaign. Nesbitt is…vice-president of the Pritzker Realty Group, part of the Pritzker family empire…Nesbitt arranged a weekend gathering to help Obama reach inside the deepest pockets he knew—those of the Pritzker family…

    “…Nesbitt knew that if Obama could sell himself to Penny Pritzker, her support would not only reap huge immediate financial dividends but also be a crucial step in the foundation of a fund-raising network.

    “So in late summer 2002, Obama, Michelle [Robinson-Obama] and their two daughters drove to Penny Pritzker’s weekend cottage along the lakefront in Michigan about forty-five minutes from Chicago…”

    Given the past involvement on the board of a failed savings bank that engaged in financially reckless subprime lending of the 2008 Obama presidential campaign’s National Finance Chair, it’s nor surprising that an article in “The Nation” magazine (2/11/08) by Max Fraser, titled “Subprime Obama,” reported that “only Obama has not called for a moratorium and interest-rate freeze;” and that Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute said that “There’s been less emphasis from the Obama campaign on the really dysfunctional role of the financial industy in the subprime mess.”

    Incidentally, former Superior Bank Chairman Penny Pritzker contributed $100,000 to the Democratic National Committee [DNC] in 2000.

  299. 1950Democrat said: “DNC fouled up with FL/MI and don’t have the guts to reverse their decision, so they want the issue to go away.”

    You sure have that right, but that issue won’t go away. Hillary will keep it alive at least into the convention. If Dean and friends succeed in ignoring that issue at the convention, it will come back to haunt them and the party as a whole for years. Maybe it will eventually go away once Dean and friends are gone. This is a very big deal, and Hillary is on the right side of it.

  300. I have had a lot of trouble using mydd . I think it may be my browser or browser settings. It often seems to hang up — then I find the diary has posted more than once.

    I seem to be getting the hang of it now, keep trying.

  301. someone is very smart at the pgh tribune. the major newspaper here the post gazette gives almost no coverage to hill and lots of positive to bambi. not what the people want. i personally will never buy gazette again but plan on picking up the review

  302. Hillaryfortexas: I have been on this site for months and I have never said a negative thing! First of all I ment to say that we should spread that fact that Obama lied to all the news media! I got chewed out for that by a person that I never see. I asked kindley if this person if for real. I would appreciate if you would treat hillary supporters with a little more respect! If you look at my title you might see that Im serious and my past blogs have only been real! I find your comment to me to be very rude and very wrong! Everyone please understand that! Hillaryfortexas that was just way out of line!

  303. Oh, now I remember MJS. Very colorful life, or very colorful imagination.

    I expect admin is on the case, checking what’s been going on with that login. Plotting donation fraud online is just what a troll might do, if they got MJS’ login. Or they might be feeding him false information….

  304. Why do you think there has been a big push to get Hillary to drop out? They think that way they can seat FL and MI without it having any affect on the convention. Their biggest fear is that Hillary runs the table and their is a floor fight to seat the delegates. too bad Doctor Dean, seat them now and avoid it.

  305. you all do know that Richard Scaife who wrote the article and owns the Pitts Tribune is the billionaire who helped fund the movement to get Bill Clinton impeached.

    though – he’s come around a bit more, openingly admiring what Bill Clinton has done with his foundation since he finished his terms.

  306. Ann thank you for breaking down my comment that was what I ment. Thank you, hillaryfortexas and others should no that!

  307. lninla Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
    you all do know that Richard Scaife who wrote the article and owns the Pitts Tribune is the billionaire who helped fund the movement to get Bill Clinton impeached.

    Yes, of course. Obama will be in next week for his meeting with the editorial review.

  308. About wimpy superdelegates … I think that short of saying they will vote for Hillary, if they just say they will vote to seat FL/MI and accept their votes toward nomination, that would help a whole lot. The FL/MI votes might be enough to make the difference.

    This is something we could make the issue: “I don’t care who wins, but count the darn votes!, FL/MI voters are switching parties because of this…Either nominee is okay but don’t give it to McCain by this FL/MI mess, etc”

  309. How to win a Knife fight by karl Rove via News week

    newsweek.com/id/129586

    very insightful stuff on the national convention and what it was like before and what it is likely to be this time.

  310. WinHillary @2:42 pm

    Don’t let the comments bother you too much. When our posts are missunderstood, as mine have been, you are bound to get unexpected responses now and then.

    I admit when I first read your post, I thought you were encouraging us to spread lies about Obama bin Lyin. I was happy to learn later that was entirely wrong.

    Hang in there!

  311. for me the tribune was in the same catagory as fox news
    the most popular paper here the pittsburgh post gazette blatently ignored the st pats day parade with the governor and the mayor with a crowd which exceeded the previous attendence record by at least 200k nothing on the front page but always plenty of pro bambi articles. i ride the bus so i read the newspaper en route and just as i watch fox for “fair and balanced” i will now plop my 50 cents per day in a trib review box

  312. ITS RUDE AND TROLLISH TO THINK THAT I DID! THIS IS WRONG! IM PISSED! IM HEAR TO SUPPORT HILLARY AND THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING!

  313. Thank you Sherm Kader. I respect everyone hear but I can’t imagine how my comment was saying to make up lies about Obama. Come on everyone! This person chewed me out about the comment and I asked if this one was real, I have done that twice because my comments for no reason as been barked at twice. Crap NEVER AGAIN WILL I ASK IF SOMEONE IS REAL! Just the facts!

  314. so far it is HRC – 44.05 to BHO – 55.95

    collin is yet to report… all convetions were reported from travis, harris, tarrant & dallas…

  315. djia Says:
    March 30th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    How to win a Knife fight by karl Rove via News week

    newsweek.com/id/129586

    very insightful stuff on the national convention and what it was like before and what it is likely to be this time.

    —————–

    Very interesting, looks like a good comment string too. No registratin request yet.

  316. If anyone is on when confloyd checks in tell him his county chair reported the caucus results differently than he said. Instead of them being 4 for Hillary and 4 for Obama it was reported as 3 for Hillary, 4 Obama and 1 uncommitted. Not letting these Obama people get away with anything every delegate counts unless of course you live in MI or FL. County chair may have said 4 to 4 just to get out of there and avoid a drawn out fight thinking no one would notice.

  317. ARTIST,

    if you are planning something for FL that requires bodies, LET ME KNOW…

    i will get get in touch with machinist union, and try and talk to buffenbarger, and see if we can TURN OUT….

    could invite N O W, latino’s, asians, natives, ITALIANS, JEWS and more….

  318. jithendra Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    so far it is HRC – 44.05 to BHO – 55.95

    collin is yet to report… all convetions were reported from travis, harris, tarrant & dallas…

    Jith, I thought that’s about what it was last time?

  319. comes now a new lie from barry

    after he sends his surrogates out to tell the world that Hillary should drop out for the good of the party–

    but . . .

    it does not work because she says she will continue the race because it is fluid and the voters of the 10 remaing states have a right to be heard and the superdelegates arent buying barrys bullshit —

    then barry comes forward with act II of this good guy bad guy routine and says she should stay in the race as long as she wants, and the herald tribune makes it look like sportsmanship . . . .

    I say lets make the phoney son of a bitch eat those words, by making sure hillary wins.

  320. rjk1957 Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
    If anyone is on when confloyd checks in tell him his county chair reported the caucus results differently than he said. Instead of them being 4 for Hillary and 4 for Obama it was reported as 3 for Hillary, 4 Obama and 1 uncommitted.

    WTF? THese people are such cheats!

  321. “then barry comes forward with act II of this good guy bad guy routine and says she should stay in the race as long as she wants, and the herald tribune makes it look like sportsmanship . . . .”

    What as assualt on reason! WTH? How can they possibly spin that for Obama? Makes me sick.

  322. March 30, 2008
    Four Stumps in the Water for Obama
    By Charles Lipson

    As the high-water mark for Barack Obama recedes, his campaign must now confront several dangerous stumps that were once hidden below the surface. The problems began with Obama’s long attachment to Rev. Wright, Trinity United Church, and Black Liberation Theology, but they won’t end there.

    So, what issues are now lurking for Obama?

    The first is the volatile mix of race and religion, begun with the Rev. Wright controversy. Videos have now surfaced of virulent race-baiting by yet another Chicago preacher with ties to Obama, the Rev. James Meeks. Obama was not a member of Meeks’s church and their connection may be only a tactical alliance between prominent local figures. That’s the question: how close are those ties?

    Meeks is no ordinary pastor. He is an important political and religious figure in African-American Chicago. He not only leads a mammoth congregation, he is an Illinois state senator and a key player in Jesse Jackson’s powerful local political organization, which is squarely behind Obama’s run for the Presidency.

    Meeks’s sermons have called white mayors “slave masters” and denigrated moderate black politicians with the “n” word. Nor is he backing away from those slimy views. He has reiterated and defended them in recent interviews with Chicago’s local news media, which smells blood in the water.

    If close ties between Meeks and Obama are discovered, the problems raised by Rev. Wright will come blazing back, and the damage will be severe. Unfortunately for Obama, even if the ties are more remote–cordial rather than close–his candidacy will probably suffer. How can it possibly help to have political allies screaming racial epithets and then have those rants played again and again on cable news and YouTube? The more people watch, the more it undermines Obama’s most basic appeal–that he is a decent man who wants to unite people of goodwill and move the country beyond its terrible history of racial division.

    Obama’s second problem is his most important patron in Illinois politics: Emil Jones. Jones heads the Illinois State Senate and is one of the two most powerful legislators in Springfield. He played a vital role in Obama’s rise in state politics and, most significantly, he blessed Obama’s underdog candidacy for the U.S. Senate.

    Now that Obama is playing on a national stage, his ties to Jones raise uncomfortable questions about his years in Illinois politics. That’s because Jones is a old-fashioned, wheeler-dealer, the sort that Mike Royko used to write about when he was shredding Richard J. Daley and the Cook Count Democratic machine. A modern version of that machine is still kicking in Springfield, where it is known as the Combine. It includes Republicans as well as Democrats, and it has been oiling the gears of state politics for decades.

    State contractors, when they are not under indictment, regularly lament the problem of “pay to play” politics. Not surprisingly, the Illinois politicians who run the system and reap its rewards have been slow to mandate ethics reform. Jones is among the most significant roadblocks. The question for Obama: Just how close are his links to Emil Jones and this seamier side of Illinois politics?

    The Rezko trial highlights another problem for Obama, potentially a devastating one, though it is unlikely to arise for several months or more. Antoin “Tony” Rezko is on trial for taking large bribes in return for political favors. The feds allege that he was able to steer state contracts and policy decisions, such as authorization to build hospitals in specific locations, because he was so close to Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (for whom he was a top fundraiser) and because he was willing to share the graft with his cronies. Alas for Tony Rezko, one of those cronies has now flipped, and his damning testimony is corroborated by plenty of wiretap evidence. Close observers of the trial think Rezko is in deep trouble. Obama’s name has come up only a few times, and no one has alleged any connection between these charges and the candidate.

    Still, Rezko problems are bad news for Obama because the two have close, long-standing ties. Obama initially downplayed those ties and minimized the money Rezko had raised for him. When local reporters raised pointed questions, Obama declined to answer. He broke that silence at a strategic moment, just as the Rev. Wright story hit and the national media was focused on nothing else. That’s when Obama found time to give extensive interviews about Rezko to the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times. Predictably, the story got some play locally but was drowned out nationally.

    Rezko’s connection to Obama began well before Obama ran for office. Rezko spotted him early, figured he might be a rising star, and helped secure funds for his initial campaigns. Rezko’s role raises questions because no one has ever accused him of being a civic-minded fellow who simply enjoys political fundraising because he delights in good government. Skeptical souls want to know what Rezko sought in return for his support and whether he got it.

    If Rezko is convicted–a real possibility–those inquiring minds might find out, or at least they would find out what Rezko has to say. If Rezko is staring at a long prison sentence, prosecutors will have a big carrot to dangle in front of him, but only if he names the biggest players.

    Where does Obama figure in all this, aside from being a recipient of Rezko’s campaign cash? No one knows for sure, but suspicion centers on one particular real estate deal. Obama claims it was a clean, arms-length deal with the sellers, and no one has produced any evidence to the contrary. If there were problems, though, Rezko would know about them.

    The real-estate deal began when a Chicago couple (two doctors) took jobs elsewhere and put their property – a lovely, spacious home in Kenwood with a vacant yard — on the market. The Obamas liked the house but lacked the money to buy both the house and vacant yard.

    What happened next is where the questions arise. Obama recently acknowledged that he toured the property with Rezko. After that, Obama made a discounted offer for the house, and, at about the same time, Rezko made a full-price offer for the side yard. Both offers were accepted. So, the obvious question is: Was there any hidden link between Rezko’s full price deal and the discounted price Obama paid?

    Obama’s final stump also lies in Kenwood, where he was friendly with the 1960s radicals, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Ayers and Dohrn, now married, were members of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol. Ayers and Dohrn spent a decade on the run before turning themselves in and spending time in jail. Both are now professors and prominent figures in Chicago’s leftist-progressive politics.

    In his memoirs, Ayers speaks evocatively of his revolutionary days and reiterated his political commitments in an interview with the New York Times: “I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough.” The interview appeared with exquisitely bad timing–on September 11, 2001.

    Obama served with Ayers on the board of a small, leftist foundation, the Woods Fund. Ayers later chaired the board and is still a member. Obama served from 1999 until 2002 and received several thousand dollars annually as compensation. According to the 2001 annual report, the fund made a $6000 discretionary grant to Rev. Wright’s Trinity United Church “in recognition of Barack Obama’s contribution of services to the Woods Fund as a director.” Serving with Obama and Ayers was the prominent Palestinian activist, Rashid Khalidi, then a historian at the University of Chicago and now the Edward Said Professor at Columbia. (While they were all on the board, the Woods Fund gave a generous grant to the Arab American Action Network, headed by Khalidi’s wife, Mona.)

    Now that Obama is so close to the Democratic nomination, the scrutiny he faces on issues like these has grown intense. It will stay that way–for him, for Hillary Clinton, and for John McCain–as long as they keep running. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and voters want to know.

    There are more questions than answers right now. But the questions are serious ones about character, judgment, and close personal associations. If the answers turn out to be damaging, this won’t be a Swift Boat. This will be a whole fleet.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/four_stumps_in_the_water_for_o.html

  323. Ann,

    Thanks for the fax offer.

    I have cable phone access and my fax manager doesn’t work with the phone service so if you don’t mind, i will forward you a SD letter this evening for you to forward to SD’s.

  324. i’m sure everyones seen the video on tm’s site of the ‘phone call’…
    if not, it is interesting, here is here comment she posted with video at u tube…
    tried to post address from u tube, but couldnt…

    ****************************
    From: kimfrederi
    Subscribe Unsubscribe Joined: 4 months ago
    Videos: 12

    Please login to subscribe.
    About This Video Ok…so I called the Obama campaign. Sure enou… (more)
    Added: March 28, 2008
    Ok…so I called the Obama campaign. Sure enough they had me in there as an Obama delegate. He wasn’t nearly as misleading as Renee’s phone call…obviously since we didn’t have the sense to tape that call. Anyway…here is the video. He was acting like it was just all a big mistake…but once I stopped acting like a confused person and started laying into him…his excuse was, “I’ve heard you guys are doing the same thing…I’m not listening to you anymore…click.” So he knows what he’s doing and it’s deliberate and it’s on tape. He probably wasn’t as misleading with me since Renee had called before me and chewed them out and they show us at the same address. So I wonder if they put an asterik next to our address…so they knew not to pull the same BS. (less)
    Added: March 28, 2008
    Category: News & Politics
    Tags: Obama Hillary Clinton Delegates Texas

    URL

  325. I posted a list of delegates we need to be contacting on hillbillylovers site in the private section. The reasons are explained in the post.

  326. kim is someone I know from TX – skmf12 – it gets worse – see what she posted on Gretawire:

    Comment by Kim
    March 29th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
    I am the person in the video. I could write a thesis on dirty tricks that have been going on in Texas…but I’ve been up for about 24 hrs now. We had received a letter from the Obama campaign saying that we were Obama delegates. We also got a robo call from the Obama campaign that we were Obama delegates. We also got a phone call from Meyer Associates who was hired by the Obama campaign. The Meyer Associates group called friends of mine telling them their convention was moved. This group was hired by the Obama campaign. In any case…in this video…we called the Obama campaign because of the Obama robocall. My partner called first and it was REALLY misleading. So I called and decided to videotape it. I am a Hillary delegate and have been volunteering for the campaign for two months. If I wasn’t up to speed on things…I could have been easily confused and decided not to go.
    Greta…if you want the full story of what has been going on…email me…I’ll give you my number, let’s talk.
    Kim
    gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/03/29/report-any-political-dirty-tricks-right-here/#comment-751967

  327. rjk1957 Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    I posted a list of delegates we need to be contacting on hillbillylovers site in the private section. The reasons are explained in the post.

    I can’t find it. What’s it called?

  328. Afternoon all! No access at the pool on my wireless. I have a cheap router. Oh well. Sun was noce, and I have to get ready for a Voter Startegy Session soon, HOWEVER:

    # skmf12 Says:
    March 30th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    ARTIST,

    if you are planning something for FL that requires bodies, LET ME KNOW…

    i will get get in touch with machinist union, and try and talk to buffenbarger, and see if we can TURN OUT….

    could invite N O W, latino’s, asians, natives, ITALIANS, JEWS and more….

    wow!!!!!!
    YES YES YES….

    DO YOU HAVE MY EMAIL?

  329. OK, at the moment I have FLORIDA VOTERS AS

    REED061
    IRISH39
    nad of course, JUSTMEINMTDORA

    any more here right now?

    MtDora, as for you note upthread, hang tight.

  330. texan4hillary Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
    is edwards endoring hillary tommorrow? mydd wonders

    Who at MyDD?

  331. Skmf12

    could invite N O W, latino’s, asians, natives, ITALIANS, JEWS and more….

    and don’t forget about the AA there are some for Hillary all the way to the WH we are not blind

  332. artiste – just send your info over to a couple of my friends who live in Tampa. Keep us updated on HillBillyLover’s site.

  333. Hillary has fought long and hard to get the voters heard in FL & MI, while BHO has said he wants it but has just words about actually doing anything about it.

    Do BHO supporters in MI & FL not want their voices heard???

  334. Ininla…I’m not registered there. This wont be “secret” for along, and have your friends get in touch. This WILL BE BIG and I will need help in Tampa area. Thanks

  335. We HOPE BO Supporters want their voices heard. This is not about CANDIDATES. It’s about voters. And it is BIG. So, yes, we want BO supporters who want their vote to count here.

  336. It’s from Todd Beeton and sounds sort of dubious:

    There’s a rumor spreading through the floor of the CDP convention that John Edwards will endorse Hillary Clinton tomorrow. I’ve heard it from two people separately but the source appears to be “a woman out in the hall.” It struck me as particularly unbelievable but worth looking into and all I could find on the subject is the following:

    Former Sen. John Edwards, in his first public speech since dropping his White House bid two months ago, praised Democratic rivals Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama on Saturday, but declined to endorse either candidate.

    “I have a very high opinion of both of them,” Edwards said at the Young Democrats of North Carolina convention. “We would be blessed as a nation to have either one of them as president.”

    As for whether an endorsement might be forthcoming:

    “When I have something to say, I’ll let you know,” he said.

    Looks like it’s just a rumor.

  337. Wish the media would just flat out say – don’t you see the pattern??!!! – Obama can only win by disenfranchising voters – FL, MI, all the upcoming states, the undemocratic caucuses, calling on Clinton to quit, thereby invalidating her wins in previous states…it’s all a pattern.

    Don’t Stop Campaigning
    Why the rush to push Hillary Clinton out of the race for the nomination?
    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032901846.html?wpisrc=newsletter

    THE GROWING chorus among some Democrats and other interested observers for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) to get out of the race for the Democratic Party’s nomination for president is troubling. We’re not promoting Ms. Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), or either of them over Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), for that matter. A time may come when someone should gracefully bow out. But their extended contest informs the electorate and serves to battle-test them both. We don’t see why the process should be short-circuited when millions of votes are yet to be cast and two qualified candidates believe themselves to be the best potential Democratic nominee.

    There is no lack of excitement in the Democratic Party. States that have cast ballots have reported record turnouts. Registrations are through the roof. Just last week it was announced in Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22, that since November the number of registered Democrats increased by about 161,000. Altogether, Democrats now outnumber Republicans there by about 830,000. And this contest is far from over. While Mr. Obama leads Ms. Clinton in the popular vote and in the number of pledged delegates, it’s assumed that neither candidate will win the 2,024 delegates needed to secure the nomination.

    One proffered justification for ending the campaign now, in fact, is the assumption that we know pretty much how everything will turn out. Ms. Clinton will win Pennsylvania, Mr. Obama will carry North Carolina and so on. But throughout this campaign, just about everything we’ve “known” has been wrong: Mr. McCain was finished, Ms. Clinton was inevitable, Mr. Obama had New Hampshire locked up. No doubt the Democrats have gotten themselves into a fix with rules that may leave the final decision to unelected superdelegates — but why is the answer to that less democracy? Why not give as many voters as possible a chance?

    We understand Democrats’ concern that Mr. McCain benefits most as their candidates tear each other down. Recent polls show the favorable ratings of both Democratic candidates declining, Ms. Clinton’s more than Mr. Obama’s. Making the case that you’re better qualified inevitably involves, to some extent, explaining that the other candidate is less so. But instead of continuing to blur the line between civil discourse and destructive denunciations, the candidates and their campaigns could talk more substance. Last week they tackled the economy and the mortgage meltdown. But there are plenty more questions for voters to consider. How would the candidates pay for their billions in increased spending on health care, energy and education? With diplomacy toward North Korea faltering, how would they handle its nuclear ambitions? What’s the future of affirmative action? The list of issues to hash out is endless, and doing so in polite political combat could produce a stronger Democratic candidate for the fall and a better-informed electorate.

  338. I love me some John Edwards. I hope he will endorse, but I think he’ll lay low.

    BTW, Elizabeth Edwards is a garlic-nose. Wonder what she thinks about a certain Rev. 🙂

  339. ITS SUNDAY, i’m drinking my star buck carmel maccioto grande,

    and i’m really enjoying this video, from the move 8 mile, where emminem has the final battle with the other rapper…

    AND I WANT TO THANK ‘NO QUARTER’, FOR POSTING IT, AND CHOOSING IT AS A PARALLEL TO HILLARY AND OBAMA…

    check it out: ( warning foul language )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FsnZLIjztU

  340. Okay, skmf, I’ve been trying to avoid coffee all day but now I want a caramel macchiatto. ::shakes fist at you::. Hmm, where to find a Starbucks in Seattle…

  341. We also want Edwards, Dodd, Kuscinich (sp?), Gravel, Biden and who ever else supporters who voted DEMOCRATIC PARTY to be included in this. We will get them too

  342. DANCER,

    turn around take four steps forward, or two steps backwards..
    no wait take one step right, or three steps left…

  343. ARTISTE,

    SORRY I WAS OUT GETTING STARBUCKS…

    i dont have your address. but if you will remember, i have been hoping for something…
    send email pls, tomorrow i can make some calls………….
    in fact alot of calls it seems…

  344. DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ASIAN GROUP, THAT CAME OUT FOR HILLARY?

    i am too lazy and dont want to go through all the threads…
    i know the group organized here in san francisco.

    ADIMIN DO YOU REMEMBER?

    artiste, maybe i will give them a call…

  345. yes, mj -just saw this on NOquarter – very cute animation. Obama is for the birds –

    youtube.com/watch?v=nBA017FZQRA

  346. I have been out of town for a long weekend…. what have I missed??? (I left on Thursday). Also what will Hannity have on his show tonight????

  347. skmf…I am not in HillBills site. Do you have email for Dot, TinyDancer, Ininla, Wbboei or henry?
    If so, they can forward me yours if they wouldn’t mind, and we can connect that way.

    I appreciate your help

  348. What the obamabots don’t realize is “if” BHO gets to the presidency, he will NOT be their president any longer. BHO will owe so much to the party elite, it will take him all 4 years just to pay them all back. They will have the power and not BHO. the obamabots are so fooled that this guy could actually bring change…he aint gonna change a dang thing even if he really wanted to. Pelosi, Dean et al, hold the strings.
    This is why they do not want Hillary, she will not be beholden to them. For this very simple reason she is the president we need.

  349. jithendra Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
    now it is HRC – 44.1 & BHO 55.9… collin is yet to report..

    So, that’s no better than before, right?

  350. The probelm with this election is some people just don’t read. Some just want someone to tell them how to vote. A neighbor told me once if you want to hide your money from a robber PUT IT IN A BOOK.

  351. jithendra Says:

    March 30th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    mj… its better .. she is able to keep all her delegates…

    How is that better?

  352. it is better because in IOWA, we lost one delegate… and obama got 9 more delegates than he actually won… so it is better…

  353. it is better because we don’t get to see another heading like “OBAMA WON IN TEXAS AGAIN”… like the one ABC NEWS ran after IOWA convention “OBAMA WON IOWA AGAIN”

  354. she did very well in areas with latino population… hidalgo, webb, corpus christi, bexar, elpaso..

  355. jith, her entire domestic agenda disproportionately effects working class latinos, aa’s, and whites, as it should.

  356. Lively discussion here, posts going up simple and fast.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/129586/output/comments

    I just posted:

    Posted By: 1950democrat @ 03/30/2008 16:40:29

    Comment: Hillary already has the popular vote of most Democrats (not even counting FL/MI). By the convention, she will have the popular vote even including Obama’s “Democrats for a Day”. Even many sincere GOP and Inds who voted for him before the Wright tapes, are now wanting their votes back; they certainly won’t vote for Obama in November..
    The most states means nothing for the GE if they are mostly little red states. The most swing states or big representative stages means something for the GE and HIllary won those; their electoral votes put her way ahead for the GE.
    Pledged delegates from red and caucus states mean little for the GE: in WA there was a 16% difference in the primary and the caucus vote.
    Obama’s are the empty, on-paper, system-gaming metrics that the SDs were established to compensate for.
    The only votes that really count, are those cast at the convention by ALL the delegates, pledged and Super.

  357. I read an article on Marsh website that an Obama person tried to register as a volunteer at one of Hillary’s campaign offices. They found him out but I wonder what he did while he was in that office. I hope they are checking for bugs (listening devices). He said he didn’t mean any harm, he was just checking the place but I don’t trust any of them.

  358. bexar went to hillary 293 – 186
    elpaso went to hillary 164 – 80
    hidalgo went to hillary 102 – 11
    webb county went to hillary 51 – 0
    starr county went to hillary 23 – 0

  359. As if we needed more motivation…..in a WSJ article yesterday they mentioned that there is an anti-Hillary group in one of the meeting sites called “Hillary Clinton Stop Running for President and Make Me a Sandwich,” and it has more than 38,000 members.

  360. “Hillary Clinton Stop Running for President and Make Me a Sandwich” has been around since the beginning. Did WSJ note this was a sexist group or what?

  361. Irish – had heard the same info too – but until completely verified, this is what I heard:

    an Obama STAFFER tried to infiltrate Clinton campaign (not sure which office) – but ppl started to get suspicious when he refused to sign in, but eventual did, and later, ppl started googling and discovered he was Obama staff. Someone even called the BO office where this person was working and that person answered the phone.

    I mean – it’s one thing if it’s a volunteer, but BO STAFF?!

  362. Greetings all,

    Ininla, just reading your upthread post now. Has this Kim been put in touch with the campaign. Maybe worth a call to the local Texas office to move things up.

  363. Obama is playing Chicago politics and hardball at that and he can get away with this tactic in caucuses mostly but not in the G.E. The Democratic elites has computed the numbers and think that Obama is the ticket for winning Dean’s 50th state agenda because nobody knows much about Obama and so they can write the script.

    Since the Repugs have been horrible in running the government under GWB and our economy is tanking because of the policies tickle down economy that is a con name for Greed and GWB own insecurities the Hard Left wants to do what the Neo Con did under GWB.

    Obama is sliding in this polls and he has already peaked, he will not win the swing states even his own analysis say this. But they feel that with the strength of AA support behind him he can pressure the delegates for the nomination.

    That is LOSER strategy for the G.E. and no amount of threats and intimidation is going to win him the White House. Obama is a pussy, a crybaby and a bully and he will continue to lie and throw people under the bus along the way.

  364. Ok, I’m back to being a bit disappointed in John Lewis. Please see NoQuarter for the footage of Jackson Lee being booed by her constiuent. Her constituents voted BO 90-10 and still she stands with Hillary. If Obama has any shred of integrity he’d tell them to leave er the hell alone. of course he doesn’t.

  365. Texas Democrats duke it out

    Published: March 30, 2008 at 4:43 PM

    HOUSTON, March 30 (UPI) — Texas Democrats are fighting over how the Lone Star State should choose delegates to the state’s Democratic convention, observers say.

    Democrats in Texas are meeting in 280 district conventions to determine the makeup of its delegation to the Democratic National Convention this summer in Denver.

    Complicating the state district conventions is that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., won the state’s March 4 primary election, but rival Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., won the caucuses that followed.

    Some of Clinton’s supporters are challenging the caucus results, the Los Angeles Times reported Sunday.

    The newspaper reported that at one event at Texas Southern University Saturday a Clinton supporter, U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, was booed by hundreds of Obama supporters, and police were called later to break up heated exchanges.

    “It’s bedlam,” Houston lawyer Daniel Shea, a Clinton backer, told the newspaper.

    Texas is not alone, the newspaper reported, noting that Democrats have clashed in Iowa, Colorado and Florida.

    “This thing has turned from being an adventure to being a grind,” said Robert Shrum, a Democratic strategist who managed John F. Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign.
    http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/03/30/texas_democrats_duke_it_out/9202/

  366. The main thing here is that Hillary won the Texas primary by over 101,000 votes that cannot be taken away, Obama winning the TX caucus over Hillary’s primary makes the mockery of it even more because caucuses dont count in the GE.

    I’d take the Tx primary win over the caucus anyday.

    Caucuses are not representative of the popular vote as proved by TX, so Texas is a blessing in disguise, because HRC can point to that and say look, i won the primary significantly and the caucuses are skewed to whoever can maniplulate the vote.

  367. Ronald – yes, Kim’s in touch with campaign lawyers. Depends on what the lawyers want to do with the info – there are certainly enough complaints and statements, and as this UPI article above states, there are individual Clinton supporters who are/want to sue.

    I remember several Obama voters/supporters at the Houston caucus who themselves were very upset about how undemocratic the whole thing was.

    The whole caucus process in TX was a fiasco, totally undemocratic – the fact that there are these thousands of complaints, legal challenges, videos of complete bedlam and chaos should prove that. When was the last time primary results were challenged, unless it had something to do with hacked machine and/or disenfranchisement?

  368. @mj,
    yes….the whole article was about sexism and how this race has raised it as a serious issue again.

  369. Whooooa

    Real Clear Politics sticks the knife in Obama, love the lingering last line.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/four_stumps_in_the_water_for_o.html

    Now that Obama is so close to the Democratic nomination, the scrutiny he faces on issues like these has grown intense. It will stay that way–for him, for Hillary Clinton, and for John McCain–as long as they keep running. The stakes couldn’t be higher, and voters want to know.

    There are more questions than answers right now. But the questions are serious ones about character, judgment, and close personal associations. If the answers turn out to be damaging, this won’t be a Swift Boat. This will be a whole fleet.

  370. Moononpluto – same with WA primary vs. caucuses as Tiny Dancer had pointed out. According to primary popular vote (which didn’t count), they would’ve split all delegates – 50/50. But in caucus results (which did count) Obama wins 65+ percent – how would he have even done that in a primary. Totally F*d up.

  371. seems like a concerted effort to destablise Obama is in full swing today.

    seems he is pissing off lots of people

    http://www.americatalks.blogspot.com/

    We at America Talks are launching a concerted effort to see to it that Barack Hussein Obama is not elected the next president of the United States. He is a dangerous individual who would do great harm to this country. Obama’s associations with people of questionable character, his friendship with a racist pastor whose comments he claims he disavows, his plans to negotiate with and placate terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, leads us to believe that his not an honorable man who is looking out for the interests of our nation.

    Obama’s questionable past, his embellishment of his father’s legacy, his inability to answer the tough questions regarding who he is and what he stands for, all add up to a man who does not belong in the highest office in the land.

    To this end, we are launching a new campaign, a Jihad if you will, to prevent Obama from getting elected without his true colors being exposed.

    You can help in this effort by supporting Hillary Clinton’s efforts to remain in the campaign all the way to the democrat convention in August. If there is a brokered convention, if the democrat party is torn apart by this fight, so be it. Anything and everything that will keep Obama out of office must be attempted.

  372. well now the media is trying to shove the shit that she is only staying in to pay off debts. this has been the most inept and vile primary season. whatever happens, my ire with the party will never be forgotten and I’ll remain with my voting power for the rest of my life. I won’t forget.

  373. Can it be TRUE??? Gravel is going to quit the race AND the Democratic party?

    That’s too bad. I blame BO. Telling everyone to quit so he doesn’t have to run against anyone. Now Hillary has to stay in the race.

    😛

  374. moononpluto…This will be a whole fleet.
    I love it..and its bout lying and lie after lie time after time..assoicate with lying about …rezko.5 hours i knew him..worked on some things,caught in a lie..he was a big Liar!! on debate day… wright ..oh uhh yes i did set in the pew..he digs himself he is a habitual liar

  375. Obama has foot in mouth disease again.

    The pro lifers and catholics are gonna go apeshit.

    “I don’t want them punished with a baby”

    michellemalkin.com/2008/03/30/sunday-meditation-obama-and-the-punishment-of-unborn-life/

    Out in western Pennsylvania, the issue of abortion can strike a nerve. Democrats there often describe themselves economic liberals and social conservatives who favor gun rights and oppose abortion rights.

    So, it was not unusual to see a woman stand near the end of Barack Obama’s town hall meeting in Johnstown, Penn., and offer a hurried, passionate plea for him to “stop these abortions.”

    …The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama’s earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.

    “Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

  376. I just sent out more positive letters to the editors for Oregon Papers. I’ve already covered PA, NC, IN and KY. And I sent her a contribution today too. Every day I try and help her campaign as much as I can. I encourage everyone to do as much as they can to help. There are so many great ways to make a difference.

    Hillary will be the winner in the end! Let’s keep up the good work!

  377. http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=291335140632942

    Seems the Hamas thing is catching fire. What say ye Obama?

    In his newsletter, the preacher gives Mousa Abu Marzook a platform to justify the Palestinian terrorist group’s denial of Israel’s right to exist, while defending strikes against Israeli targets.

    Marzook is identified in the church bulletin only as the “deputy of the political bureau of Hamas, the Islamic Resistance Movement.”

    In fact, Marzook was kicked out of the U.S. several years ago after the U.S. declared him a specially designated terrorist.

    The Palestinian was indicted in 2004 for conspiring to funnel millions to Hamas to carry out kidnappings, bombings and other attacks on Israel. Believed to be hiding in Syria, he remains a fugitive.

    Even if Wright didn’t know Marzook was wanted by the government, Hamas has been designated a terrorist group since 1995, blacklisted by a Democrat administration.

  378. Pelosi is (and I apologize to the the females here) a bitch who is hell bent on being the only woman having an ear to the next President. She, along with Gore supporter/Clinton hater Donna Brasile, Richarson, Leahy, Dodd, Kerry , Kennedy, etc., and the other Clinton turncoats are doing everything to shut this down by July 1st. They see huge money /gains for the party with Obama and are willing to ignore his inexperience/character for their greater glory. They claim they are doing it for party unity, which is unadulterated bullshit. As it is, most of us are not going to vote for BO, and if they force our beloved Hillary out, I hope she refuses to speak at the DNC, and considers an independent run…While I despise Cheney, I can now understand why she told Leahy to “fuck off”. I hope she does the same to all these bastards.

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