Howard Dean has failed to represent Democrats. Howard Dean has failed to protect the rights of all Democrats to vote. Howard Dean has failed to ensure that the will of Democratic voters is respected.
Howard Dean was elected Chairman of the Democratic National Committee on a promise of reform but instead he has become a creature of bureaucracy.
Howard Dean was elected Democratic National Committee Chairman on a promise of a 50 state strategy. What Democrats have instead is a 48 state strategy. Democratic voters of Florida and Michigan have been evicted from the Democratic “Big Tent”.
Howard Dean, failed to do what he promised to do. It’s time for Howard Dean to go.
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The prime duty of the Chairman of the Democratic Party is to fight for the interests of Democratic voters. All Democratic voters.
The job of Chairman is not merely to manage the organizational structure of the Party. Managing the organization is important but when that bureaucratic function conflicts with the interests of Democratic voters, the interests of Democratic voters is paramount.
Lost in the back and forth arguments about Florida and Michigan are the rights of Democratic voters. It’s the voters, stupid.
Chairman Dean forgot his primary job is not to arbitrate disputes between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Chairman Dean forgot his primary job is not to try to smooth the waters or protect the bureaucracy. The primary job of the Democratic Chairman is to ensure that the will of Democratic voters is respected. It’s that simple.
After the voter disenfranchisement (Yes, the stolen election) in Florida, in 2000, which burdened the nation with George W. Bush, the Democratic Party should have learned to fight to make sure THAT EVERY VOTE COUNTS AND EVERY VOTE IS COUNTED.
Howard Dean has not learned that lesson from 2000. It’s time for Howard Dean to go.
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The consequences of Chairman Dean’s failures hurt all Democrats, but particularly Florida and Michigan Democrats. Even now Chairman Dean surrenders veto power on voting rights in Florida and Michigan to the Democratic presidential candidates. No thought of the rights of Democratic voters in Florida and Michigan spurs Chairman Dean to action.
Chairman Dean’s surrender of a veto pen to Barack Obama (and Hillary Clinton) has resulted in failure to respect the Democratic voters in Florida and Michigan. Barack Obama’s successful veto of voting rights, to praise from Republicans like David Brooks, echoes his successful electoral strangulation of election opponents, such as Alice Palmer, in Illinois.
The results of Chairman Dean’s capitulations are devastating. A recent poll in Florida demonstrates the foolishness of Chairman Dean’s leadership:
Howard Dean and Barack Obama may insist Florida’s Democratic presidential primary was meaningless, but a new poll shows Florida Democrats aren’t buying it, and one in four may not back their party’s nominee in November if Florida winds up with no voice in the nomination.
Not only do Florida Democrats say that the Democratic presidential contenders’ boycott of their primary had little effect, but an overwhelming plurality want the officially meaningless results to count, a new St. Petersburg Times/Bay News 9 poll finds.
A record 1.75-million Florida Democrats voted in the Jan. 29 primary, which Hillary Rodham Clinton won by 17 percentage points, but as punishment for holding the primary earlier than allowed by the national party, no delegates were at stake. Now, as a nomination stalemate looms, the candidates and state and national party leaders are struggling to figure out how and if America’s biggest swing state can have a voice in the Democratic nomination.
“If there’s one thing that this survey says is you have to acknowledge the Jan. 29 primary on some level,” said pollster Tom Eldon. “You really can’t say the Florida primary was a non-event to voters. It was a non-event to Howard Dean according to the rules of the DNC.” [snip]
Florida Democrats point the finger of blame for the primary debacle in several directions: 28 percent blame Republican leaders in the Legislature, 25 percent blame Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, and 20 percent blame the Florida Democratic party.
More than three out of four Florida Democrats say it’s “very important” that Florida’s delegates count toward the nomination, and one in four said they would be less likely to support the ultimate Democratic nominee if Florida’s delegates don’t count. [snip]
The poll suggests most Florida Democrats viewed the Jan. 29 primary as a legitimate election.
Howard Dean should have cared about the voters of Florida and Michigan if he truly believed in the 50 state strategy.
Howard Dean Must Go
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Hillary Clinton and her supporters are not going away. As of last night, the fight moves to Pennsylvania – and then to the Democratic Party convention in Denver this August.
Echoing remarks we made at the end of a recent post (Pennsylvania is the Avenue to the White House. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Let’s get there.) last night Hillary said: “the road to Pennsylvania Avenue leads through the state of Pennsylvania”
Then Hillary said “credentials committee”.
Get ready for the mountains of Denver:
The Democratic race is a “long way from being over,” Hillary Clinton told FOX News on Wednesday, and she has no qualms about taking the primary fight all the way to the convention floor. [snip]
But neither candidate is expected to lock down the nomination on pledged delegates before the August convention. And although Democratic leaders are scrambling to avoid a prolonged fight that could give GOP nominee-in-waiting John McCain a decided advantage, Clinton said Wednesday there are too many ifs for the matter to be settled yet.
“Well this is a really close election. Despite what some might say, it is a very close election in the popular vote and in the delegates,” she said. “We have 10 contests ahead of us, plus, don’t forget, Florida and Michigan. You know, I keep beating this drum … millions of people are going to be voting in the next three months, and I hope that will include Florida and Michigan.”
Clinton’s campaign has argued for seating the Michigan and Florida delegations, which were stripped after those states held early primaries in violation of party rules. Recent efforts to hold re-votes in those states have fallen through. [snip]
Clinton said, barring a resolution on Florida and Michigan, the fight goes to convention.
“You know, you can always go to the convention. That’s what credential fights are for,” he said. “Let’s have the Democratic party go on record against seating the Michigan and Florida delegations three months before the general election? I don’t think that will happen. I think they will be seated. So that’s where we’re headed if we don’t get this worked out.”
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Hillary is a fighter. We are fighters. We’ll have more in Part II.
Here are some action items to prepare for which we will also discuss in Part II (coming this afternoon):
North Carolina Hillary Clinton events for today:
All events are free and open to the public. No tickets are required.
Hillary Clinton Delivers Economic Policy Address
Wake Technical Community College
9101 Fayetteville Road
Raleigh, NC
Doors Open: 9:00 a.m. EDT
Event Begins: 10:30 a.m. EDTHillary Clinton Attends a “Solutions for America” Event
Terry Sanford High School Gymnasium
2301 Fort Bragg Road
Fayetteville, NC
Doors Open: 12:00 p.m. EDT
Event Begins: 1:30 p.m. EDTHillary Clinton Attends a “Solutions for America” Event
Forsyth Technical Community College Gymnasium
1300 Bolton Street
Winston-Salem, NC
Doors Open: 4:00 p.m. EDT
Event Begins: 5:30 p.m. EDT
From Birdgal – Hillary Clinton California events:
Senator Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton are coming Back to the Bay Area & Central Valley!
Sunday, March 30th, 2008
Lunch Reception with President Bill Clinton in Modesto:
At 12:30 p.m. join President Clinton for a lunch reception in Modesto at the home of Rupinder & Amarjit Dhaliwal, M.D. The cost of the event is $1,000 per person. For more information or to RSVP, contact Sabra Foley at 415-402-0303 or go to www.hillaryclinton.com/modestoWednesday, April 2nd, 2008
Reception with Senator Clinton in Menlo Park:
At 6:00 p.m. please join John Doerr in welcoming Senator Clinton for a reception in Menlo Park at the Quadrus Conference Center. The cost of the event is $500 per person. To attend the 5:00 p.m. VIP reception the cost will be $2,300 per person and will include a picture with the Senator. For more information or to RSVP, contact Marina Costabile at 415-402-0303 or go to www.hillaryclinton.com/menloparkThursday, April 3rd, 2008 (*please note time change)
Breakfast with Senator Clinton in San Francisco:
At 8:00 a.m. join Senator Clinton for breakfast at The Merchants Exchange Building in the Julia Morgan Ballroom in San Francisco. The cost of the event is $250 per person. To attend the 7:30 a.m. VIP reception the cost will be $2,300 per person and will include a picture with the Senator. For more in formation or to RSVP, contact Sabra Foley at 415-402-0303 or go to www.hillaryclinton.com/sanfrancisco
Call DNC regarding Donna Brazile and to count the votes in Florida and Michigan
Main Phone Number: 202-863-8000 (For questions about contributions, please call 877-336-7200)
rgb44hrc has more on Donna Brazile
Filbertsf has news on a Nancy Pelosi demonstration for this Friday:
Northern California: To update those not in the Bay Area, we are organizing a demonstration at our California State Democratic Convention in San Jose—on Friday March 28th when Nancy Pelosi will be speaking. The theme is Voter Disenfranchisement/Voter Issues. We are not wearing Hillary shirts, caps, buttons, etc. It’s NOT about the candidates. It’s about our votes…our voices…As stated in the petition, it’s not just MI & FL; I think we all agree that there is an underlying theme in our political parties that disenfranchising voters is acceptable. 1) DNC disenfranchised MI & FL voters 2) Caucuses – are these inclusive? We’ve seen how these work and how they disenfranchise voters and 3) Open primaries! So it’s okay for Republicans to vote in a Democratic primary, but vote Republican in the general election—throwing an election? Astonishing!
Please sign the petition, and if you can, bring your hand made posters and join us at the SJ Convention Center at 4:30pm.
Petition http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/countFLoridaandMichigan/
SEAT OUR DELEGATES website.
We’ll discuss the letter to Nancy Pelosi from donors in Part II as well.
Dot 48 has contact information for Nancy Pelosi:
District Office – 450 Golden Gate Ave. – 14th Floor – San Francisco, CA 94102 – (415) 556-4862
Washington, D.C. Office – 235 Cannon HOB – Washington, DC 20515 – (202) 225-4965
The great Jamie Rubin:
“… .. I don’t think the nominee of the party will be considered legitimate if we don’t figure out how to count those votes from Michigan and Florida. … ” – Senator Hillary Clinton
I see GOD has all the airwaves this morning.
Hillary didn’t get shit. And here we have Bloomberg.
Nicholas Kristof wrote another “why Hillary should drop dead” op-ed today, in the on-line comments section, some one wrote in this nice little piece:
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218.March 27th,
2008
9:26 am This Democratic campaign has indeed reminded me of the 2000 general elections for quite a while. Then, we’ve also had two candidates, one of whom was insisting that “all the votes should be counted” in hope for a marginal chance for a victory in a prolonged recount, whereas the other (certainly, the one in the lead) was deploring the length of the proceedings and was calling “to finally bring a closure to the process”.
Shall I remind of the consequences of that closure?
— Posted by Alexander Balaeff
Testing to see if my post will show up.
erase my last two posts
please
Forget about Bloomberg. What an ass. After all that money and care Hillary brought to NYC after 9/11. What an opportunist.
In all my emails to any address I can find, I’ve concentrated on the so called “math”. What these people who say she must drop out, now fail to mention is neither one of the candidates will have enough to be the nominee by the convention. Why should either of them drop out? How exciting that a race is this close, that record numbers of voters are registering and voting, that the latter states feel as if their votes matter! In this society of immediacy, they want everthing done, yesterday. Too bad, the voters will be heard from sea to shining sea…each and every one of them!
Yay!! I finally had a post publish! thank you admin and divabunny!!! I have been tryng for months.
I want to take this opportunity to thank each and every one of you for enlightening me, informing me, motivating me and keeping me on focus. Hillary will be our 44th President!!!
Here’s another person’s reply to Kristof’s BS arguments:
224.March 27th,
2008
9:36 am I read these things and wonder how such brilliant and supremely educated people base their opinion-shaping opinions on fallacies.
You say this, Mr. Kristof:
“Consider what it would take for Senator Clinton to win.
For starters, she would have to pull ahead in the popular vote, to balance her second-place spot in number of states won and in pledged delegates.”
That’s false. All Hillary Clinton has to do is appear to accomplish something akin to running the table in the remaining states. She doesn’t even have to actually run the table. And as she comes off a big win in PA, the energy and excitement generated by that victory, along with the analysis of PA that might very likely show that Obama has been hurt far more by the Wright situation than is being allowed right now in polite company, these things could combine to provide her the momentum to rack up win after surprising win.
Obama’s poll numbers drop. He can’t win elections in his own party. Superdelegates start looking at each other thinking, “Thank God for us.”
I want Hillary Clinton to stay in this because I want the Democratic party to SEE its future with a post-Pastor Wright Barack Obama as its chosen candidate. Many of you in the media want her out and probably a lot of the perennial presidential politics LOSERS in the Democratic party like Howard Dean, John Kerry, Bill Richardson etc. do as well.
But they should want to see how Obama runs now in elections all over this country. THAT telling look into the future is what’s best for the Democratic party right now. Now while the superdelegates can still do what they were intended to do, that is, chose the Democratic candidate who has the best chance of winning in November.
— Posted by jammerbirdi
Hillary is giving a speech on the economy too, which is supposed to be televised at 10:30 am (eastern)
Here’s the Kristof column:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/opinion/27kristof.html?ref=opinion
and here’s the commentaries:
http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/your-comments-on-my-hillary-clinton-column-2/#comments
Great Jamie Rubin clip!
Andrea sounds like she has Turette’s! Maybe that’s why she’s so fond of BO. they both seem to suffer from the same speech impediment. How in the world does she get these gigs?
Loved Jamie’s remark, “It’s people, not pundits or the press who should decide election.”
I love this Jaime Ruben…Keep up the good work. Now for the rest of the surrogates stop treating Obama and the media with kid gloves…they’re going to blame it all on Hillary anyway so Hillary needs to be Hillary and stop worrying about what D.C. insiders think.
What happened with Bloomberg?
What is the thing with Bloomberg, why is he backing Obama? I just can’t figure it out, Senator Clinton has gotten New York lots of stuff and has been very good for NY. I think some of that $ that Obama has is being spent on people to buy their support?
Who cares about Bloomberg?
call DNC today .. Call Pelosi
Turn the heat up.
Gentleman I talked with just now at DNC leads me to believe they want to wait till convention to seat them..after they have a nominee…I told him that is bullshit. Count the VOTES now. They are so in the tank for Obama, tried to say Hillary campaigned by fundraising .. I said NO Obama RAN ADS.
They don’t intend to do the right thing BUT we need to keep the complaints going in.
I told him we can just welcome John McCain if the votes aren’t counted and counted NOW
LOL I love it , Fox news is not carrying bambi’s speech today
Seating them after the nominee is chosen doesn’t count.
What frauds these “Democrats” are.
I just called the chairman’s office at the DNC to complain about my vote in Florida not being counted, and someone named Doris hung up on me! I was NOT yelling, and I was NOT being rude. I lived in Florida when the primary occurred and voted, expecting that Howard Dean and the DNC would solve this problem and make sure that my vote would be counted. I didn’t just go to the poll for my health that day! Well, now I live in Georgia; so even if there is a re-vote, my vote will not be counted. I am pissed! I asked Doris at the DNS what I could do, and she told me to complain to my state. Complain to Florida? I reminded here that Florida has is led by Republicans. She said she didn’t know what to tell me then. I asked her to take my name and number and have someone call me back, and that’s when she hung up on me. I AM FURIOUS! Howard Dean must resign!
Plural .. everyone here that can .. CALL DNC today. Tell them that seating after the nominee is chosen doesn’t count. Right, they want to steal this election
I don’t understand how they think they can get away with this disrespect for the voters, how they assume they can take us for granted.
It’s an insult to us, and completely self-destructive for the party.
Hello Everyone. I’m new here and glad to have found a Hill friendly site. I have been on the Oprah board recently and they are cruel over there. Hill has supporters there but not enough. I look forward to contributing here. Everyone here does a fine job providing information. Keep it coming as there are so many Hillary haters out there.
Hill4Prez
rickroberts.
The DNC will be happy to hear from you if you a) want to donate, b) call to support Obama and have them do whatever it takes to force Hillary out.
Otherwise, they don’t want to answer your phone call. You, and the 50+% of the people that are called “The Democratic Base”.
rick .. call back. Tell whoever answers that if you get Hung Up on again you will contact both campaigns and register your complaint.
i did not know oprah had a site, yuk!
I told DNC I wouldn’t give a “penny” till they stop disenfranchising voters. Said America looks like a fool overseas .. we want to count 48 states and fcuking forget Florida who will choose the president. Said Dean needs to resign if he can’t lead
I agree Dean needs to go, but can’t we send Nasty Pelosi with him!! Most people I spoken to just hate Nancy and thats been going on way before now!!
Could someone please post the number to DNC again?
I see Howard Dean and the DNC gay problem. What the hell is going on over there?
http://angelcitysdevil.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=678&Itemid=2
plural Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Seating them after the nominee is chosen doesn’t count.
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I thought Hill was giving a speech on the war, it’s on the economy?
Looks like bambi is at it again!!!! get a load of this!!……..oh we all know that bambi is the one holding up the seating of the last FEC appointee…
washingtontimes.com/article/20080327/NATION02/615066787
Inside the Beltway
by John McCaslin
March 27, 2008
Uh-oh
Are Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Elton John breaking U.S. laws by allowing the British pop singer, a foreign national, to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign by performing a concert on her behalf?
That’s the question Inside the Beltway put to the Federal Election Commission (FEC) yesterday, which does not rule out the possibility.
DNC
Main Phone Number: 202-863-8000 (For questions about contributions, please call 877-336-7200)
anybody know anything about the “CAN” effort?
Hi Jade, welcome aboard.
James Carville and Mary are moving back to New Orleans. Not sure when but Cspan showed newspaper article.
Idunn
Thanks. Glad to be here.
Yes, welcome newbies. Shenang glad you got it all worked out, I didn’t know how to help you and I’m glad admin got you fixed.
anybody know anything about the “CAN” effort?
The only thing I know about it is that it started with young Hill supporters in Florida, and works like this: they are collecting and sending cans to the DNC in order to LOUDLY ask, “CAN our votes be counted?!”
Tell us Jade, are you a typical white person, a garlic nose, or a godless jew?
Editted to add: I’m still kind of pissed that the Rev. Riding Dirty didn’t bother to give us bi-racial folks a name. What up with THAT?!
Idunn .. it ain’t over yet. What gets me is that Obama is saying that these sermons were just some sound bites BUT Wright himself is selling these as his “Best Hits”.
Well, the Jamie Rubin clip should make its way into the Hillary Hall of Fame. It was nothing short of awesome and earned Hillary another contribution from me. If he’s willing, he should be the primary surrogate voice for the campaign. He simply demolished Mitchell’s Obamaton attacks. It would be great to hear him take on the pundits about the Unity Pony’s attempts to suppress the vote in Michigan and Florida.
I’m a typical cracker….
are there any SurveyUsa polls out in the last day or so. I want to see what they look like.
Also, contact Fox and tell them that the NBC poll is skewered since they oversampled AA’s.
Ask Greta at greta@foxnews.com to have Karl Rove explain WHY they do deceiftul polls. Ask O’reilly to comment on it as well oreilly@foxnews.com
Idunn: just wait-I’m sure another tape or newsletter will surface, where Wright disses bi-racial people by giving them a name.
I’m thinking all this media attention for BO actually is helpful, let’s see him get oversaturated and then really vetted.
Basil9, Ininla, dot48 – you are all set up for the “safehouse”
ADMIN…great post. I was SO OFFENDED yesterday by my treatment by the Bot-girl in the “Chairman’s Office”. She was rude, she was snippy, she really DID NOT CARE about the voters.
I believe we should start an online petition calling for the Resignation of Chairman Howard Dean. We have some VERY Good writers here, and I will do a lot of the leg work to put it together (it will be a learning curve) and we need to send it to ALL fifty states where Democrats for BOTH Candidates feel the Democratic Party Leadership has been non-existent, and that the appearance of fairness and impartiality has been destructive to Senator Clinton. With Howard’s brother running the Progressive site (can’t remember the name) and having turned his mailing lists over to Obama camp folks ONLY, It is clear that he is incapable of unbiased support. In addition, the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan votes, being stalemated by Barack Obama’s Camp, also appears to be being supported by Dean and the DNC.
THE VOTERS COUNT. Not the Dean Gang. We need to call for his resignation. NOW.
admin, as always, great post.
Mini news item:
Gov. Anibal Acevedo-Vila and twelve others have been charged in a sealed indictment by U.S. authorities on “18 counts in a long-running campaign finance probe.”
rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-degree-of-separation-obama_27.html
dot48 Bambi did fund raising in FL too.
Did I forget to mention he’s an Obama superdelegate?
hehehehe
But PPsymac…he NEVER gives Press Conferences of REAL interviews. Hillary took hit after hit when she was not so accessible to the media, and BO can waltz through EVERYthing WITHOUT anyone batting an eye. It is disgusting.
Add to Kwame Kilpatrick and that’s two SDs who’ve been indicted this week. The gods are smiling !
Karl Rove reported last night that Dean has appointed I think 55 DEAN LOYALISTS to the seating committee..so that he can swing the thing. How in the hell can Dean just take over the party like this?
B MErry…YOU ROCK!
I just hung up with the DNC at the number that was posted upthread. According to Mallory, “The DNC is allowing a revote. It is up to the states to handle that. From what I understand, it’s a funding issue. In the revote, the popular vote will be counted and delegates seated at the convention. The last primary is June 1 and should be conducted within that time frame.” She gave me the numbers to Florida 850-222-3411 and Michigan 517-371-5410. She basically said it is up to the states to figure it out for themselves because they did not follow the guidelines.
Dot, can we find out who they are? I heard that to and was appalled.
shenanigans…thanks you and welcome. The problem with that “reply” is thatt the Clinton Camp HAS agreed to help finance a revote and Obama has nixed that, and doesn’t want to chip in. I live in Florida and the STATE will not pay for another election. I DO think we should be calling the state Parties as well, but we REALLY NEED TO KEEP THE HEAT ON DEAN. HE DOES NOT PERSONALLY OWN THIS PARTY. He is acting like a DICTATOR.
Welcome Jade.
Maybe this is what happens when you send your pastor to Puerto Rico, ya’ think?
I think it was 25 Dean Loyalists.
And because of this, we can see how OBAMA would govern too.
Can you see this country if DEAN, OBAMA, PELOSI, KERRY et all at at the helm?
There is a reason Kerry isn’t the President now. Also, that Dean never was either. THEY LOST. America, including MANY Democrats, didn’t want them in charge, and we don’t want them in charge NOW. They are trying to STEAL THE ELECTION.
AArtiste, I’m gonna come over and clean your keyboard! Canned air, lol.
BTW, can tell Pelosi its time for her to go also?
Finally, lol…my posts have been hijacked to spam land for the last few days.
Just want to say that I loved Hillary last night. Both she and Bill rock! Take it to the convention and throw the bum out!
B Merry…are indicted SD’s still allowed a vote?
I just loved HRC on Greta, I’m in it to win is basically what she said. And McCain better be afraid, because she is “The Bitch” and she gets things done, including wining elections!
Psymac….canned air no longer does any good except confuse the keys further! LOL. This laptop is four years old and it gets TONS of use
Well…we need to let our usual media friends know about ANOTHER indicted Democrat SD for Obama
Artiste,
Love your new name! Very classy!
Landside victory in PR I’m predicting for HRC….
(OK Artiste, you must really love that keyboard, lol)
so I suppose Hillary’s speech isn’t going to get ANY air time. Fuck!
According to Florida Democratic committee (remember I am just parroting what was said to me) A revote is not happening. They don’t know if it would be allowable because they haven’t submitted the papers/procedures for a revote to the DNC. There is not enough time to do it. He doesn’t believe it will work. According to the voters they’ve spoken to (thousands) none of them want a revote. They are looking at other options (couldn’t exactly pin him down on what those were) to have the delegates seated at the convention. I asked if the delegates would be seated once the nominee is nominated, his reply, “that’s the worse case scenario”. He said they were working with the two campaigns and the DNC to come to some resolve. Again, he reiterated that the voters do not want a revote.
Basically, he blew a bunch of smoke up my ass.
Ok, dot, why do you say that? It’s hard to know what you mean.
Artiste, I wouldn’t get too excited since we had one too (Spitzer).
did you all miss my earlier post on this?
washingtontimes.com/article/20080327/NATION02/615066787
“Are Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Elton John breaking U.S. laws by allowing the British pop singer, a foreign national, to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign by performing a concert on her behalf?”
could this potentially shut this fundraiser down?
and is obama behind this? he is connected to the FEC
Artiste, I brought the financing issue up with Mallory at the DNC and she said she knew nothing of anyone wanting to finance the revote.
Hi shenanigans,
Both Hillary and Bill know the insides and outs of this disenfranchisement stuff…lol… She really slammed Obama for thwarting new votes in Michigan. I’m thinking the convention is going to be soooooooooo interesting!
Just got off the phone with the DNC and spoke with Gov. Dean’s office secretary, Terese. She has said the DNC and Howard Dean remains neutral over the candidates. She also stated that neither Florida or Michigan have submitted anything to Dean about a revote plan. She went on to say that they are hoping to have revotes in Michigan and Florida.
She also said Obama has no connection to either the NOI, NBPP or any middle east connection. I told her there was no way I would vote for someone with his background and would definitely vote for McCain, since I have a good job with health insurance and could easily live through another 4 years of the bush doctrine!
We have to shut down this dialogue about HRC dropping out.
1. Neither candidate can win w/out Superdelegates.
2. The whole reason SDs exist is to exercise independent judgment. Judgment about the best candidate to win in the GE.
3. There is likely to be
No, I doubt it will shut down the fundraiser. I think Hill probably crossed her t’s and dotted her i’s before hand.
The way around is basically for Clinton to arrange the concert, Clinton pays him a 1 dollar fee, therefore he is not donating his time and she takes all profits.
We have to shut down this dialogue about HRC dropping out….
Absurd……
1. Neither candidate can win w/out Superdelegates.
2. The whole reason SDs exist is to exercise independent judgment. Judgment about the best candidate to win in the GE.
3. There is likely to be
djia .. I’d say that the campaign already knows it’s legal, else they would not be doing it. This is more pot stirring by the Obama camp.
my posts aren’t posting completely?
Since I was kind enough to show two others’ comments on the Kristof Hillary-Must-Quit op-ed, I’ll now share mine comment that got through the screening:
228.March 27th,
2008
9:38 am The Nader analogy tries to draw the comparison that Clinton would be like Nader, a spoiler. The huge difference that you ignore is the size of their support.
Hillary Clinton has backing of about 50% of the Democrats. Don’t forget, Obama has actively sought Republicans to “cross over to be Democrats for a day”, that they can go back to their party in November. So how much of the “popular vote” for Dems were actually cast by Dems?? Hillary has not sought this kind of underhanded means of winning in various states.
Also, you ignore that that Nader was trying to be a spoiler. Hillary wants to win the nomination, and then the GE. And at least half the party want her to continue, in case you haven’t noticed.
With neither candidate able to win it outright on committed delegates, they’ll go into Denver being very close on popular vote, committed dels, and super dels. Then they’ll have to fight it out on the floor.
Don’t blame Hillary for this. Howard Dean and the DNC came up with this “brilliant” scheme for nominating a candidate.
— Posted by roger_fromNJ
Ann, did you get my email?
For anyone that didn’t catch it on the previous thread, I made a private section of my website for Hillaryis44 people to strategize or trade info back and forth away from prying eyes. Last night I got a nasty email from a bot and they got the email address here. I decided to make a “safehouse” for people so they don’t have to post their personal info.
politwix.com/kt is the address.
Register with your name here so I know you are a Hillaryis44 person. Once I see you have registered, I’ll give you access to the Organizing section.
Only Hillaryis44 people have access to this section, so its pretty secure. You can use this forum to send post email lists, SD information, letter samples — basically anything to info to help Hillary win. There is also a messaging feature, so you can send private messages to each other. There is a calender feature so you can post events, meetings, etc. The primary dates are already on the calendar. Play around with the forum, you can do alot of stuff there.
It isn’t meant as a substitute for this place, just a place to safely swap email addresses and more sensitive info.
“She has said the DNC and Howard Dean remains neutral over the candidates.”
ROFL
=Only 700,000 votes separate the Democratic contenders out of some 16,000,000 cast (including Florida but not Michigan). The 4% that separates them is a statistical dead heat, which is why the vote will go to a handful of super-delegates who are equally divided. If we consider that only 10% (Nevada)-50% (New York) of registered Democrats voted in these primaries, it’s clearly a tie – despite the earnest efforts of the press to anoint Obama!
Ann,
Good posts!
Trying again….
We need to shut down this dialogue about HRC dropping out…..it is completely absurd….
Absurd……
1. Neither candidate can win w/out Superdelegates.
2. The whole reason SDs exist is to exercise independent judgment. Judgment about the best candidate to win in the GE.
3. There is likely to be
One more time…..
Absurd……
1. Neither candidate can win w/out Superdelegates.
2. The whole reason SDs exist is to exercise independent judgment. Judgment about the best candidate to win in the GE.
3. There is likely to be less than 1% difference in pledged delegates at the time of the convention.
4. The Rev. Wright issue has made BO unelectable in the general election. The average american (which is not the same person as the person who votes in democratic primaries) will not allow BO and his pastor near the white house.
5. The democratic party has to find a solution for MI and FL.
6. The national polls are tied.
7. There are 10 states, millions of people and hundreds of SDs remaining to vote.
Ann, I thought it was 200k when you include fl and mi. I think it’s 700k now without both.
Good point, when you take out the independent and Repub vote, HRC takes the Democratic popular vote by a mile, thats something she needs to ram down their throats.
It’s quite disturbing how this party is being ran. I’m getting out unless Hillary is the nominee. I’m through with the bullshit, I’ll no longer give the dem nominee the benefit of the doubt based on party affiliation.
B MErry…the headline “Second Obama Super Delegate Indicted in Less Than A Week”
is on it’s way to aome real key media sources…with the link to RW
thanks
I have to go to work for a while. I’ll be back later
Is Hillary doing her speech yet?
I don’t think all the hand wringing about what-if’s helps. I think Hill will be the nominee, and I just dont think the anxiety helps any.
shenanigans, you now have access to safe area.
Did anyone watch Charlie Rose last night? Ed Rendell was great!
Thanks Dot,Moon,& mj
mj. I’m being realisitic. She doesn’t have the DNC behind her, she has them against her. The climb is tough for her. We have to insure that she gets tons of votes out of the remaining states. Obama has the money train behind him, she doesn’t due to much of Patti’s mismanagement and the inability to really hit hard those states she lost that she could have had a chance in — if she’d had the money.
I actually think her team is not near as smart as their candidate
HillBill…I know we did with Spitzer, but fine, we don’t want those folks anyway…
But negative reporting on Obama is slim as it is, so every little bit helps.
Re: Outside funding
gothamist.com/2008/03/10/clintonsupporti_1.php
USA Today carried a story too.
an article out already on Hillary’s economy speech today
swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_proposes_25_billion_a.html
I will vote for Hillary in the fall — she will be the Dem nominee.
Speech will be streaming on Fox but hasn’t started yet.
shenanigans Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I just hung up with the DNC at the number that was posted upthread. According to Mallory, “The DNC is allowing a revote. It is up to the states to handle that. From what I understand, it’s a funding issue.
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1. “it’s up to the states to handle that”???
a) Florida is run by Republicans.
b) DNC is just ducking their responsbility because lack of revoting helps the candidate they are secretly supporting.
c) Clinton has actively worked to include these votes or do a revote. Obama has thwarted both
2. “It’s a funding issue”
a) Team Clinton has suggested they’d raise dough for revotes. Obama ducks this by saying there are too many complications to do it “fairly”. So we’ll just pump your votes into outer space.
b) If DNC can’t find the money to keep half the party satisfied that the nomination process was conducted fairly, they’ll pay the price in votes and dollars. Already, several big donors have asked for their money back.
Howard Dean, how do the eggs on your face taste?
I’m in till the last dawg dies and if Hillary isn’t the nominee I plan to vote for McCain. don’t agree with everything he stands for but I can vote a protest vote against the Democrat party’s treatment of Hillary. I can survive.
Good story, Artiste, thx.
FOX live stream carrying Hill
I still don’t believe this is going to the convention. The point of Hillary saying that is to warn everyone she’s not backing down. I’m also very glad to see she brought up the fact that if FL and MI aren’t counted, the nominee will be less than llegitimate, and our chances in those states are probably kaput in November.
Pelosi getting slammed about her remarks. LOVE IT, LOVE IT!
You know, If it gets to the point that they hand him the nomination, i hope Hillary just blows and dishes the entire dirt on the DNC and the lot of them.
They deserve every bit of whats coming to them, but when she gets the nomination and i’m convinced she will, i want her to take each and every one of those that betrayed her outside and beat the living daylights of them with a 2 x 4.
The one thing these guys have forgotten is that the Clintons have long memories and know where every body is buried in relation to Richardson, kerry, kennedy and the rest, i think in all honesty HRC and Bill are waiting for the last possible minute to do the most devestation on Obama and his judases. I think we just have to wait, they expected this gruelling campaign against them. We just have to have faith.
so fucking NOBODY is carrying her speech live!
GODDAMN them bastards
ADMIN: please post this video of the contrast between Hilary’s words after 9/11 and Rev. Wright’s. It is DAMNING.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzL8Sn3Zl5A
Howard Dean is too..what’s the word they always use for bush? Too much of an ideologue to give a rat’s ass about the PARTY. His ego and HIS vision for America is just like Cheney’s megalomania.
She’s not up yet Dot
Hillbillylover!! I just tried to sign up on your private website and someone used my name. I checked the email in their profile:agentofshield@gmail.com
THIS IS NOT ME!!!! I signed on with another name– will post.
Dot,
At this point, this has become the dirtiest fought election in a very long time. Bambi’s bulldogs and DNC thugs have corrupted the drinking water in many ways.
Hillary has handled herself with such amazing grace that even if I hadn’t been a fan before, I am a huge one now.
No matter what happens, the dnc has been disgraced and has also lost the trust of a huge populace. If they bulldoze over everything right and honest in order to get their monster elected, the people won’t forget.
I honestly think Hillary will be the one standing when this is all over. She may have to compromise where the monster is concerned, but there are ways to limit power and she is the one to do it!
oh, excuse me then LOL
She really has been so gracious and classy.
HillBill
perhaps you should send emails to all of us who want to post there (and you KNOW our screen names here) and ASSIGN US a login name
Guys, GO LOOK AT THE VIDEO I just posted, and rate it up.
Well, when I spoke with terese at Dean’s office, she said the DNC offered money to help with the revotes. She refused to admit that the Democrats were railroaded in Florida so as to get a paper trail. She said that was a lie. She said all the legislature wanted to move up the date. Furthermore the DNC opened up 4 slots for states to move up their date, Florida or Michigan did not submit a proposal to move up. They waited until four other states had committed to moving up their date and then wanted theirs moved up. Is this a true statement?
Hillary up in five minutes
Msnbc evening ratings are sooo in the tank. Think they are feeling the backlash of their sexist, biased reporting. CNN not much better. Glad to see whiney bag Cooper tanking.
Fox News continues to kill them.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/
I want to see what Gretas ratings were last night
TBH, i have never got why the hell the states cannot have the primaries whenever the hell they want them, after all its there state.
Why should the DNC dictate them. If Florida wanted its primary on Jan 29th, big deal. Whats the problem.
Confloyd, what I know is that Charlie Crist (R) Gov. said he would veto any bill wiith the date changed from the February date submitted. So, it wouldn’t have mattered WHAT date they chose.
DNC Bot-girl also told me that the PARTY has the power t set the date, NO MATTER WHAT STATE LAW dictates. I asked to clarify and was she telling me thatt the State Dem Party could go around the State law, whicg dictates the Primary in Florida, and she said “yes”.
That’s BS
Dot…can you get live stream?
confloyd, she is full of crap. The FL legislature is Republican-controlled. The Dems could either vote to move the primary to the day the Repugs specified in that bill, or lose the paper trail ballot initiative if they held their primary on a different day.
So yes, the Democrats voted to move the primary to THAT date, not one of the other four. They had no real choice.
Anyone seen TheRealist around lately?
She up!
Hi folks,
check out this yt of Murtha introducing Hillary. It brought tears to my eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npibwy6oq90
I just want one media representative to ask Obama these questions:
What exactly is your foreign relations experience? Do you even have any?
NOT ONE NETWORK live with Hill yet!
BASTARDS
yet we had 20 minutes of “Campaign Alerts! God is about to speak” earlier
. . . she was being introduced on Fox, and they cut to a commercial. Damn them
Yes, these bots are out in force! I got rid of the shenanigans imposter. Scums don’t have anything better to do.
IF ADMIN IS AROUND, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL SO I HAVE YOUR ADDRESS. YOU HAVE MY EMAlL ADDRESS.
ooooh I love her hair today! she looks better with some bangs
Hills on now. Fox.
i loved the song/lyrics that was playing while they were waiting for her…….not sure who was singing it but i found the lyrics online….here they are
There’s a man working in a field
Sees the rain and it’s burning
He’s saying this can’t be real
As he sees the color of the field turning
Far away the men too busy getting rich to care
Close their eyes and let it out into the air
Hoping nobody else would care
Look out any window
Look out any open door
Look out any window
See what’s going on in the world around you
There’s a man working on a boat
Pulling lines from the water
Just trying to stay afloat
Filling the nets is getting harder
Far away they bend the rules so secretly
Close their eyes and let it all out into the sea
Hoping nobody else would see
Look out any window
Look out any open door
Look out any window
See what’s going on in the air around you
Far away too many leaders let them get their way
Close their eyes and let it all out into the bay
Say they’ll clear it up another day
Look out any window
Look out any open door
Look out any window
See what’s going on in the air around you
Look out, look out for the big boys telling you everything they’re gonna do
Look out, look out for the fat cat builder man turning this into a waste land
Look out, look out for the back room boys that say the smoke is gonna blow away
Look out, look out for the men who say it’s okay sitting in a building far away
Look at the silence from Gore on voter disenfranchisement!
I like Gore but in this issue, he is less than a leader!
SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION!
“D” to go forward .. “R” to go backwards ..
cool way to get the name “Wright” out! Love it.
I think she should use this in every stop
The song is by Bruce Hornsby. It’s a good one.
Dot……..I loved those parts too! LOL
H4T……….thanks! it was great
Don’t you think it’s not lost on people that Hillary stands and talks about the issues. Obama brings out a bunch of flags and tries to look like a president. Ain’t lost on me.
I love her!
confloyd Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Just got off the phone with the DNC and spoke with Gov. Dean’s office secretary, Terese. She has said the DNC and Howard Dean remains neutral over the candidates. She also stated that neither Florida or Michigan have submitted anything to Dean about a revote plan. She went on to say that they are hoping to have revotes in Michigan and Florida.
She also said Obama has no connection to either the NOI, NBPP or any middle east connection. I told her there was no way I would vote for someone with his background and would definitely vote for McCain, since I have a good job with health insurance and could easily live through another 4 years of the bush doctrine!
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This is very interesting…why would DNC phrase their response of NOI, NBPP or any middle east connection like that?
Are the DNC denying that New Black Panther Party didn’t have a recruitment link on Obama’s Campaign website?
Are the DNC denying that Obama doesn’t have close ties to the NOI through his pastor and church.
Are the DNC denying that Obama’s church wasn’t promoting Humas and hate speech against Israel?
The church you belong to say a lot about your personal belief system…you don’t raise your children in a church that you have issues with….YOU JUST DON”T!
I don’t care how nice the people are, if you disagree with the message you don’t raise your children to believe that message, unless you believe IN the message.
I have a hard time believing Obama in this because Dr. Wright throws around his BIGOTED HATE speech all the time and even write about it and promote it. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL do I believe Obama in this issue and more importantly I’ am disgusted that the Democratic Party would promote this notion that ALL black churches promote HATE. I’ve been in some of the poorest community and not one time did I hear the kind of language being used in DR. Wright’s sermons…..NOT ONE TIME but yet TEAM OBAMA went on TV and promoted that filth to support that ethically challenged Obama.
And Edwrds dropped out after FL…a mere few days before Feb 5th…Nnow why did he do it?
He knew what the voters were saying about the FL voters!
If Edwards is as sincere as he appeared to be, he should come out openly and say what the deal was about MI…removing his name at the request of BO! Even Biden should be saying this!
Guys, we need to concentrate all our efforts on one Hillary-back-stabber and on one news site.
I say we focus in on Speaker Nancy Pelosi and start by calling Foxnews, in mass amounts, telling them that Nancy Pelosi is degrading the democratic system and favoritizing Obama with every single new story/opinion she comes up with. Be sure to note that if she continues to do so, you, a loyal democrat, will stop supporting Nancy Pelosi and other prominent Obama-backing dems for disenfranchising millions of voters and supporting an america-hating radical.
dot: I don’t think its lost at all, no matter how much the media tries to suppress it
we all need to be calling though for them to make this a story. Also note that you will not donate to the DNC until they count FL and MI and get rid of the America-hating radical.
only call foxnews ‘cuz they are the most likely to report it if in mass numbers, and not spin it as hopeful for Obama or some other shit MSNBC/CNN would likely come up with.
I can’t watch Hill right now. I hate my job. Anyways, on to better things…so Hillary has bangs on today?
I am surprised and grateful CNN is still carrying live on tv
OK gang…I MUST get to work now. I’ll see you all later.
ok, it’s so obvious to me, but is it obvious to others?
look at the headlines:
Obama offers ambiguity; Hillary offers details.
NEW: Obama urges balance between free markets and regulation (no shit sherlock!)
NEW: McCain: Some liberal programs “sock it to American taxpayers”
Sens. Hillary Clinton and Obama both giving economic addresses
Clinton to push job training, state and local initiatives (details)
Awesomeness with the WA caucus. Turns out some delegates might not be REGISTERED VOTERS. Nice. Like I’ve said before, voter registration, residency, identity et al were not checked. Who knows who voted.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-03-26/news/your-delegate-may-not-be-registered-to-vote.php
* Like I’ve said before at my caucus.
How do I leave out entire chunks of a sentence? My garlic nose must be blocking the screen.
The Wages of Sin–Treason
One of the people at Taylor Marsh commented how the Ricardson story has faded from the scene. For what it is worth this was my response:
however there is one part of it that will survive and dog him in perpetuity.
In the aftermath of this incident and for the rest of his days those who would enter into a business, political or personal relationship with this man will ponder this nagging question:
Q: if Bill Richardson would betray the very people who made him what is in their hour of need then how in the hell can I trust him to not do the same thing to me when the chips are down?
Richardson has tried to sidestep this question by saying that the Clintons did good things for him but he did good things for them ergo the account is settled. In making that argument he rests his defense on what Justice Cardoza once referred to as the morals of the marketplace.
Unfortunately for him that is not the case. This is about loyalty and honor which are values that transcend the marketplace and are the foundation of every religion and every ethical system in the world.
Bottom line: if Ricardson believes this episode will not mark him as traitor in perpetuity as Carvelle correctly observed then the only thing I can say to him is this: Bill . . . you are whistling past the graveyard.
wbboei | 03.27.2008 – 11:43 am | #
If Obama is the nominee this fall McCain will be President in the Spring.
The repugs have been investigating him for over a year and I do believe they have at least screen copies of the TRUMPET…and all the bigoted hate writing in them….even Obama’s surrogates are getting pissed in having to defend this crap but it’s only going to get worst.
Every Week a new Pastorgate issue will be drip, drip, dripping all over this campaign.
I just seen MessNBC starting to report this fairly and when you see how Team Obama went after Geraldine Ferraro for her benigned statement and how they treat Rev. Wright’s BIGOTED HATE speech as men of his generation…yet Martin Luther King Jr. never spoke this way and yet he is being BRUSHED with this evil.
tinydancer,
Thanks for the link. Reminds me of the story Rush told yesterday about the AUSTIN REPUB who attended caucus, got elected state delegate and may gp to the convention!
For those who haven’t seen the article, here’s a brief excerpt.
Some of the delegates and alternates selected in February to participate in the next stage of the process, the legislative district caucuses, aren’t even registered to vote, while others were elected as delegates in the wrong precinct. Jim Sharpe, a member of Kitsap County’s credentials committee, estimates that more than 10 percent of the 2,300 delegates and alternates elected in his county fit into one of these categories, with the vast majority falling into the former.
Someone posted above that Obama bin Lyin should be questioned about his foreign policy experience. That’s easy. He has stated his greatest success was in Indonesia where he lived as a boy. Then he made an important visit to Russia where he united them with us, or maybe not. He also stopped in London to try to shore up our relations with that hostile country. Now he can add to his resume The Virgin Islands which may not be declaring war on us this month. That should do it. After all, that’s a lot more than his domestic record.
The best way to get rid of Pelosi is:
a) since she comes a safe SF district, she will get elected as a Rep:
b) But we can control her importance by not giving money..especially to DCCC or DNC…give it to a candidates directly you support but not Nanacy/DCCC. She will try to use some of that money on BO’s behalf while touting a represenntate she is speaking for!
c) once in the House, it is important for us to lobby against her re-election as the speaker!
d) limit her ongoing influence in the DNC!
wbboei, Beautifully said. I was just thinking about that the other day. Obama may be a lot of things but he’s certainly not stupid, and now he knows Richardson is a back-stabber of the highest order. He won’t trust him as far as he can spit.
Does anyone have Donna Brazile’s contact information? I’m fixing to send her a piece of my mind after reading that piece on how she thought that affirmative action for GLBT in delegation selection processes was “an affront to the civil rights movement”. What a worthless scum.
Howard Dean is an elitist FOOL and the people he surround himself with are little DEANITES that are in lockstep with his dictatorship.
Last night Bob Beckel sum it up the best…”the signs says this is the democrats time, so the electorate will not be dumb enough not to support the democrats.”
It’s this type of intellectual arrogance that is hurting the party..not the Clintons or the “Archie Bunkers” or just us old folks, you know those over 40.
Bob Beckel said that? What a fool. We have to earn the WH back; it won’t be given to us simply because St. Obama is our nominee. How clueless can you get???
Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Tracking Obama 44, Clinton 46 Clinton +2
Basil9 – if that many delegates weren’t registered voters or were in the wrong precinct, just imaginr how mnay caucus goers weren’t registered or were in the wrong precinvt (or state…).
I was shocked when I wasn’t checked in. :/ I had my I’D out all ready to go. When I went to vote in the primary they practically asked for DNA.
Good old Bob Beckel.
I stopped watching political pundits for good in February 1992 when he said that Bill Clinton’s candidacy was over before the New Hampshire primary.
I can tell I haven’t missed a thing.
Sorry about the typos. The keyboard on my phone is teeny.
Artiste, you’ve corresponded with the Esteemed Ms. Brazile, so adored by this web site’s contributors for her insight and passion for Voters’ Rights…
Can you let us know how she may be contacted? I didn’t see an obvious listing for that on the DNC web site.
The Republicans are not going to just let a Democrat win because somebody thinks this is the Democrats’ year.
I really don’t recomment contacting Brazile. She’s a snake in the grass.
Oooh Oooh, Artiste, you have Brazille contact? Gimme Gimme, I have some choice words for that…um…person.
Artiste….former spacegirl?
Don’t be fools. Brazile will use us. Use anything we say to paint Hillary and her supporters in a bad light. I contacted her myself and quickly realized I was being set up.
Ann, I emailed you again. Did you get it?
Re: Brazille
This “Typical White Person” has some choice words for that “Typical DNC Chair Person”.
mj,
didn’t. Probably getting caught in my spam filter.
Check out this diary entitled: Where Is The Outrage? Indeed, where is it??
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/26/203825/617#205
Well, ann, is it possibly in your bulk mail. The subject line is It’s me, mj.
carbynew, there are two major reasons that the Democratic party keeps losing. They are:
1) Patriotism and national security. The Dems have allowed the field to be totally taken away from them here, for years. They have a chance to gain it back this year, with a candidate with strong military backing, good foreign policy experience, and a common-sense (not war-mongering) approach to security.
So what do the stupid liberals do? Fawn over the candidate with no spine whose claim to fame is the prettiest anti-war speech and an America-bashing pastor. Yeah, real smart move on the part of the oh-so-smart ivory tower latte set.
2) The second big reasons Democrats lose is that the leaders and their liberal punduts consistently talk down to the blue-collar Joe and Jane. They have a real obvious contempt for the under-educated working class. They will of course deny this, but it is SO evident in their speech and their tone. They always like to say that they lose the south because of racism, but guess what? It is not so. Even before all the Obama hype, you could go on any liberal blog and see countless disparaging comments about dumb stupid country hicks in the south, or in the midwest states.
Many working class people have voted Republican for the simple reason that the Repugs don’t speak to and about them like they are stupid classless trailer trash for not having a graduate degree, or for liking country music (which I hate, but it’s their choice), or for drinking cheap beer and eating barbeque and waving the flag.
People don’t like being talked down to. And their anger at that, and their general view of Democrats because of it, will often trump even the truth that the republicans suck at governing.
THIS IS WHY Democrats can’t get a solid majority countrywide, or can’t elect presidents. The only two presidents we elected recently were Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Both very smart men, but you will notice that they were BOTH southerners with blue-collar roots, who knew how to talk to common Americans without making them feel dumb or patronized. That is no accident, my friends.
The Republicans, for all their nastiness and failures, have demonstrated a basic public respect for the blue-collar crowd and their patriotism, that wins them votes, every time.
Just some interesting tidbits I stumbled on in my quest for brazilles role and function as the DNC Chair of the Voting Rights Committee.
t’s pretty well known that’s there’s no love lost between Howard Dean and the entire Clinton Camp, including Terry MacCauliffe, former DNC Chairman and current Clinton campaign chairman.
Also the Gore Fan Club, including Donna Brazil, part of the committee that decided to throw FL and MI out, who was Gore’s campaign manager in 20000. (Remember Hillary was far ahead in both States when the DNC made that decision.)
Gore endorsed Dean in 2004 only days before the Iowa caucuses, choosing to announce it only blocks from Bill Clinton’s Harlem Offices without telling Clinton or Cong. Charlie Rangel, whose Cong. District that is. Rangel is supporting Hillary.
Supposedly Gore still blames Clinton for his 2000 loss.
YIKE!
Did you all know that Zogby is a pledged SD to Obama????
dcist.com/2008/02/27/dc_shadow_senat.php
Hi brother. And, yes.
Have I said I hate Pelosi lately? I hate Pelosi. (There, I already feel much better)
Any good news today? Anyone watch Hill’s entire speech?
Sherm,
That was me. My main point is why isn’t anyone asking the “big” questions of a man who is determined to take over the running of this country by fair but most foul means?
A worthwhile article from Jay Cost at RCP
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/03/predict_the_dem_race.html
A useful spreadsheet from Jay Cost at RCP;
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/chooseyourown.html
While there are many areas of importance to making Hillary 44, and we are very lucky to have several brilliant individuals specializing in most of these, it still comes down to MONEY, VOTES, and DELEGATES. We must run up the popular vote, get those voices and voters in MI and FL HEARD
lobby all superdelegates, be they committed or not, and give until it HURTS!
Hillary is doing her part. The latest Rasmussen poll indicates that there are as many who feel Barry should drop out as Hillary, in direct contrast to the so-called pundits and Kristoffs’ of BM;
rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/22_of_democrats_want_clinton_to_drop_out_22_say_obama_should_withdraw
The dedicated band of Hillary’s, “Baker st. Irregulars”, on this site have been like the warriors in the film, “300″, battling the Goliath of BM, the DNC and the Obama-Nation, and more than holding their(our) own against their daily onslaught despite the overwhelming disparity in numbers.
Things were bleak just weeks ago, but now as Spring arrives, we are poised to take big wins in the big states, we’re raising the funds we’ll need to compete in the remaining media markets, and we WILL get those MI and FL votes COUNTED! Things are trending up for Hillary just about everywhere, while Barry’s abject unelectability in a GE is becoming more and more obvious to anyone in the democratic party who’s paying attention. This is our, “Hillary Spring”, where we spring ahead to the nomination and victory over McCain and the republicans in November.
Keep up the fight! Stay strong for Hillary and she’ll prevail!
PS-I have pretty good seats for EJ at Radio City. I’ll try to post photos.
Because, Jan, they like him and they don’t like hill. I just don’t expect more from the msm so it doesn’t get to me anymore.
Hi all-
Reposting from the last thread. Has anyone had a chance to investigate this? I copied it from a RW blog. We need a lawyer to verify it and then push it out to the media.
OkieAtty?
The Illinois Governmental Ethics Act (apparently last changed in 1995) provides:
(5 ILCS 420/2-110)
Sec. 2-110. Honoraria.
(a) No member of the General Assembly shall accept any honorarium.
.. but on his 2000 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported that he received $16,500 as a “Foundation director/Educational speaker” and on his 2002 Schedule C, Barack reported $34,491 for “LEGAL SERVCES / SPEAKING FEES.”
volokh.com/archives/archive_2008_03_23-2008_03_29.shtml#1206496543
Did you see that? Oprah loses to Ellen!
Isn’t this interesting. I think it was posted by Merry B before I found this site.
Why is Super-delegate Donna Brazile now against super-delegates? Add to Hotlist
by Artificial Intelligence, Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:31:47 AM EST
Regular, voted-for delegates are pledged to support their candidate at the Democratic National Convention. Super-delegates are not. In fact, even if they have expressed a preference, they can change their minds.
Jake Tapper reported the following February 8, 2008, at ABC News’ Political Punch blog
Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, “if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination.” Obama suggested “the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that’s going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election.”
CNN’s Jim Acosta reported “Clinton’s lead grows when superdelegates are counted: Clinton has collected 193 to Obama’s 106.”
CanWest wrote February 7, 2008
But the buzz among Democratic activists was over the growing possibility Mr. Obama could triumph in the race for pledged delegates awarded in the state-by-state primaries, but ultimately lose to Ms. Clinton if she wins the support of more super-delegates. These include party officials and lawmakers who automatically vote in the Democratic nominating convention in August in Denver. So far, they are backing Ms. Clinton by a three-to-one margin.
The day after Super Tuesday, on the February 6, 2008, edition of CNN’s Situation Room, Democratic political consultant, Super-delegate-at-Large and DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee member Donna Brazile said:
“If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this. … There’s no reason why we should decide this election. I feel very strongly.”
Interesting, very interesting.
Why? Because Donna Brazile, speaking at the September 28, 2007, Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s 37th Annual Legislative Conference forum on The Future of Black Politics, in which “Panelists talked about the presidential campaign of Senator Barack Obama and what it signals for other black candidates,” said in regards to Super Tuesday
Over 45% of our delegates will be chosen on that day and if you don’t think that we have political power, just wait until February 5th, 2008, we can determine the next nominee of the Democratic Party. We can also expand the number of African Americans who are holding political power. We can also build upon the success of Barack Obama. … We have enormous political power and its time that we leverage it, and we build upon it, and we expand it…
No, this is not an exact transcription, although the tape was rewound several times to capture the statement. Listen for yourself. It comes from this archived video from C-SPAN. Download and skip to the second section where Brazile speaks at approximately 13:20 minutes into the video.
But does this honestly sound like somebody who doesn’t think that the super-delegates are significant? Does it sound like somebody who will quit the Democratic Party if the super-delegates—of which she is one—decide the election?
In September 2007, Donna Brazile believed that the regular, voted-for delegates were going to hand Sen. Barack Obama the Democratic presidential nomination.
On February 6, 2008, Super-delegate Donna Brazile apparently decided that if the regular, voted-for delegates weren’t going to hand the Democratic presidential nomination to Sen. Obama, then the role of the super-delegates should be ignored — unless they were going to be voting for Sen. Obama.
As one blogger wrote, Brazile is a super-delegate. “She can vote for whomever she pleases. No one elected her to do this. She doesn’t represent anyone.” And that’s exactly the point. She doesn’t have a dog in this hunt — or does she?
Second morning in a row that I fell asleep at the keyboard. Whichever one of you jerks who breathed these germs on me is gonna get their ass beat!
Did I miss anything? And answer quickly, because my stomach is flip flopping and I might have to go hit the bathroom any minute.
(bossy enough?)
@TheRealist-
great post! you got seat to EJ? wow!
now I wonder… who are you? Maggie? Chelsea? Hillary????
Ronald, I don’t do IL law. Ask me a fed question or even an OK question, but otherwise, I’m out on that.
Off to lunch.
Idunn! horray, you’re back!
We love you. Look at my post above. Do you have his tax forms? can you verify the honorarium? Accepting one as a state senator is an ETHICAL VIOLATION.
but, Im sure it wasn’t a lot of money….
Great article!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually emailed the DNC and demanded Dean be fired for this disaster. Their only reply was to send me solicitous emails asking for donations! I will not give them one penny!!!! Are they out of their minds?
How did Hill’s speech go in NC? did she have a large crowd? Was it a diverse crowd?
Well it cant be that hard. If he accepted an honorarium and the state bans honorariums for state senators then he is in ethical violation? no?
I mean Im no lawyer, just a doc or a typical white person, who drinks lattes, drives a prius, and will be damned if i vote for gumby.
in any case, no ranting. Lets figure this one out. Its a good one. Goes with his insider stock trading…
I need to contact ann and apparently can not by email. Where is the site where we can contact privately?
Ronald, I dont think the honorarium story has legs.
bummer
Daily tracking poll shows Hillary up 2 .. YES.
Please everyone who can .. help as you can. I’m continuing doing what I can. I must admit hubby is getting peevey at me cause I’ve abandoned house, barn, horses, (got one cat in hospital is bladder infection) and he feels a bit slighted. He did say this morning that he was disappointed in the Bosnia flap, but he’s with me Hillary or no vote for this party…the meanness they’ve shown her just makes me hate them.
Big DAWG on CNN LIve now
Great speech, to the point on the economy — “sometimes that 3 a.m. phone call is about the economy.” A lot about jobs, job training, green jobs. I like the way she speaks in a positive tone: what can be done to solve problems.
She was personable, charming, smart as ever. Nice green jacket. Her hair looked a bit different, but that might have been the lighting.
The hall looked full, the crowd was enthusiastic. Couldn’t tell about diversity, Fox’s camera was in the back so only backs of heads were visible.
Dot, show your husband the original CBS coverage of Bosnia. It’s actually a better story than the embellished story.
Okay folks, much as I love you guys, I gotta dip. Hubby just called to chew me out for not being in bed. (I think he’s spying on me here)
I’ll check back later.
Dot
your not alone LOL………my barn and horses have become my kids and hubby’s job lately and we won’t even talk about the house LOL
When you call DNC .. make your call about “Democracy” and how we are spreading democracy and the importance of voting around the globe .. all the while making our own voters “invisible”. I found the guy this morning couldn’t argue too much on that point.
They have a well rehearsed argument for everything BUT that it seems.
Tell them it’s about “counting” every vote, not stealing an election like happened to Gore. Make them face up to the fact that they are doing to “the voters in Florida again” … what the Repubs did in 00.
We need to frame our disdain around this .. rather than framing it around stealing from Hillary. It puts us in a box as simply calling because of her.
These are my opinions.
Call them and call often.
Be polite, firm and state the facts.
I am surprised the hammes manifesto in the church flyer isnt a story.
Does Hill have anymore events in NC today?
Ed Rendell is with bill on cnn live now
djia, what city are they in?
Ed Rendell with Bill in Reading, PA.
mj-
I dont think the hammas manifesto story has legs.
couldn’t resist.
mj,
plz resend email. I will look for it in my spam filter.
djia .. we have Tenn Walkers and we show when hubby is able to help me work them. Last year was a bust cause they found he has -3 osteoporosis and he has been in a year of treatment trying to stabilize it. I want to start showing again this year and he’s after me to “get with it”. My gelding’s been stalled and in runout for one year now .. but he’s 19 and well trained with multi world titles, I’m a bit afraid to “saddle up” though!
We used to own 17 show horses, now we are down to 4. Got one filly ready to break and she’s going off this weekend. She is out of our world champion stud horse and world champion mare .. she gaits perfectly just out in the field.
Unfortunately diesel price this year is gonna streamline our showing, but in reality I don’t want to show every weekend anymore, we used to go every weekend and by the end of show season I couldnt wait to rest.
TD…you crack me up
“How do I leave out entire chunks of a sentence? My garlic nose must be blocking the screen.”
Karl Rove says that Reverend Wright will hang with Obama.
Hannity is already challenging them to come up with the dates he was in the church so they can figure out just what he was exposed to.
They will find someone who will spill the big beans. Money talks, bullshit walks. Somebody will be willing to “fess up”..
I think Dean, Gore, Kennedy and Kerry think that the Clinton’s have ruined the party. So, they will stop at nothing to get them out. The Latte’Liberals believe that Hillary and Bill are republicans and they should not be in the party! For some stupid reason they all believe that people are ready for the idiots. They are all nutz. Bill and Hillary made this party! They brought this party out of the loser’s side and into the winner’s side! We need to stop the Obama train!
@ Dot48
Love TW’s…..I don’t have any though
I have 3 horses (all geldings) tri color tobianno paint/QH 15.5 hh, a solid true black thoroughbred 16.5 hh
and a little guy 14.5 hh tri color tobianno paint/arab
we don’t show, but we love to trail ride
Good Morning Hill Fans!
Good news. I just booked my ticket for Philly! I will be there from April 18th to 23rd to help our great lady out. I am so excited!!
Also, just entered for my chance to win the Elton John tickets and the meet and great with him and Hillary. I hope I win!!
Keep working folks. We are going to win this!
ann, i just emailed you.
dot48 Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Karl Rove says that Reverend Wright will hang with Obama.
NOW THERE’S A PICTURE
Karl Rove says that Reverend Wright will hang with Obama.
Rove should have phrased that differently. You know the hyperbolic BO crowd.
Dot? In what part of the country do you live again?
I am tied up with phone calls now but I strongly encourage anyone who has not done so already to go to Taylor Marsh and read her post and the comments on what Hillary said to Greta on Fox last night. It is megapolitical. Here are my thoughts on it for what they are worth.
Let me begin by saying this is come to Jesus time. Hillary has defined the core issue of this primary and drawn it into high relief. That issue is this: will the future of our country be decided by the people or by a confluence of elites in the party, the media and corporate interests?
With 84% of the public saying they want her to stay in the race (based on yesterdays polls) and the media elites intensifying their gregorian chant for her to leave the battle lines are drawn. The specific issue is the disenfranchisement of two major states and 2.5 million voters.
When Hillary says she will take this issue to the convention she means she will call the dark movers behind the scenes into the public spotlight and force them to openly declare on the record that they do not want to hear from the voters. At the same time she will call out the Obama campaign on its mendacious efforts to disenfranchise the electorate through cheap legal tactics and negative campaigning.
This aint beanbag folks. She has thrown down the gauntlet and those forces will do everthing they can to take her down. We need to take them down first. How? By calling the game for what it is: a struggle between the American People and a self serving game of elites. I realize we have been doing that here for many months but it is now outcome determinative.
As I say that I realize full well that this is an old theme in American politics. I also understand that it has been abused in times past. But it is a legitimate issue in any country that calls itself a democracy. Furthermore in this time and in this election the warning bells and alarms are sounding a call to arms. Hillary is our champion.
Corporate facism. Five years ago I would have dismissed those words as the maunderings of a delusional mind. Today however I cannot ignore the evidence. If you watch the torrent of negative propanda pouring out of msnbc and nbc on a daily basis, recognize they are controlled by an entity called GE that would profit from an obama candidacy, and comprehend anything about how corporations work then you know full well what is going on here.
It is more than liberal bias, class bias, or even group think it is corporate stategy and they build mbos around it. They exclude Clinton spokemen, push out objective commentors and pursue their mean spirited assault against Clinton and the America People with reckless abandon. Meanwhile the left wing kooks who should be fighting against this corporate takeover cannot see the forest for the trees. Instead they have become what Lenin once called useful idiots. The AA population who have a huge stake in this as well have judged the book by its cover.
Let me leave you with one question. It comes from the book of Viet Nam hero Colonel Hal Moore (We Were Soldiers Once. . . and Young) and is one that any combat commander under fire must ask themselves continually: What could we be doing (for Hillary) to win this battle that we are not doing now?
With that I am off to the telephones. Semper Fi.
Confloyd,
Dean et all are scared shitless of what will happen to them when Hillary wins in November. They will do anything to keep that from happening, no matter how heinous the crime.
Wbboie….brilliant as usual. Thank you. too bad you are not a gay woman…i love your brain!
trail riding is my second hobby. We’ve not been in a long time though since hubby hips are deteriorating and his spine has 5 fusions…the docs say NEVER ride again. I’ve been trying to get him to get a covered wagon and hitch the horses to it and we could ride on our rides in it. He’s been terribly depressed over the last year over the osteo and deteriorating back.
Love paints too, I bucket raised a black and white who turned out to be the meanest one we ever owned. He had a white 7 in one of the spots on his back LOL
artiste .. Tennessee by way of Wva.
Where was Obama and where is he now when Chicago teen murders are skyrocketing. Didn’t a couple a years ago in Chicago, like 20+ African American high school teenagers were killed in shootings. Where was Obama when the African American community needed him to speak up for the voiceless. I can’t stand that phony.
Bravo Wbboie!
Well said!
I think their chant, and that of the BO camps, that she “will do anything…anything…to win the election” is a set up for WHATEVER HAPPENS it will be Hillary’s fault. Even if Obama fell water skiing and broke his neck, they would peg it to Hillary. So…just watch and counter…as Obama and Dean&CO actually DO ANYTHING to win this election (or steal it) we MUST be out there pointing out the facts.
These people want a coup. And is is disgusting. We are literally fighting for the life of America. The Founding Fathers would be HORRIFIED
Afternoon All!
I was curious about what you guys thought about the letter some of Hillary’s big donors sent to Pelosi. One thing that stood out to me was Pelosi’s contradiction about SDs following pledged delegates when she didn’t express that view a few weeks ago. Also, money talks and nothing will get her attention faster than hearing from big democratic donors who are upset.
wbboie .. your posts amaze me. What can help Hillary more: $ or our phone call or contacting the superdelegates with the reasoned letter? I say they are all important.
It’s the little people against the eliteists of the party…
Dot, I can relate to the back injury stuff. Spent the last four years with deteriorating L3,4,5 and C3,4,5 I have arthritis in Thoracic area and sometimes I cannot even bed over to pet my dog in the morning. I have to stoop.
It’s an awful situation. I get regular spinal injections and they help. But they are not a cure. I am taking arthrotec again and it helps. I find if I switch back and forth with that and Ibuprofin 800 and Skelaxin, I can survive most days. I do several months on one, then switch to the other. It’s a bitch. I used to have horses when I was growing up. I love them.
My friend sent me a nice quote from morning Joe.
This morning’s quote. Mika said something to the effect that Hillary is proving she is a strong woman. Joe said “No, she is a strong person”.
Anyone have Joe’s address?
joe@msnbc.com
Dot:
yea back pain is a big pain ……I have many back issues, we won’t go there either LOL ……but it doesn’t stop me
ok folks – back to work for me! I am making an “ancient” Greek Torso..
maybe I’ll do an Italian Garlic Nose later !
HA!
I don’t believe the NBC/WSJ poll. They were too eager to taunt that poll and they didn’t mention much the 28% showing that they won’t vote for Obama (Hillary’s supporters).
Yes she is a strong woman, even the Hill haters know that, thats why the are scared S*&^less
I’ll have to make those calls in the am, I have to go to work in a few minutes. I am getting whatever Idunn has, she must have sent thru instant messaging! LOL!
Rush is sooo evil. He is so hyping ‘operation chaos’. Hopefully the Bosnia situation is past us. On the talk shows this morning, they were still on Obama, Wright, the Italian swipe etc and nothing on Bosnia. Rush talked about Bill’s statements and Hillary on Greata. He was salivating.
I have a feeling that people will be talking about the PA exit data for some time on 4/22.
Does anyone know when the Pa debate is? I thought that I read 4/16.
tiburones,
Any time a pollster oversamples any demographic group, in this case AA voters, then he/she will not get an accurate sample.
nikki22 Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Afternoon All!
I was curious about what you guys thought about the letter some of Hillary’s big donors sent to Pelosi. One thing that stood out to me was Pelosi’s contradiction about SDs following pledged delegates when she didn’t express that view a few weeks ago. Also, money talks and nothing will get her attention faster than hearing from big democratic donors who are upset.
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It’s about time Clinton’s supporters start fighting back. Obama’s does all the time and even throw out threats of violence…so yes let this group of thrugs know we’re not going to whinne and cry but fight for our rights.
Second Rush caller in 2 days who says he’s a Texas Repub, from Galveston, 25 year old pre-med student named Mathew; he voted for HRC, went back to the caucus and was elected as a delegate to the state convention and may go to Denver.
Yesterday it was funny. Today, between that and the Washington story Tiny Dancer linked to, it is so obvious that the caucus system is totally fraudulent.
‘Awesomeness with the WA caucus. Turns out some delegates might not be REGISTERED VOTERS. Nice. Like I’ve said before, voter registration, residency, identity et al were not checked. Who knows who voted.’
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-03-26/news/your-delegate-may-not-be-registered-to-vote.php
Wboeei: BRAVO! Another wonderful and insightful post.
basil9 I can just imagine those repugs that are voted as delegates to go to Denever looking all confused. Once they were chosen I am sure they were like oh shyt. lol
That story by Rush, makes me laugh, evertime I read it.
*LOL*
Rush watching a BO streamed speech and saying, “Remember how his crowds were always happy and smiling and enthusuastic? Well, now they look sullen and it looks like a group prison mug shot . . . uh-oh – that might be interpreted as racist . . . i meant a mug shot.”
live on CNN NOW Hillary in Fayetteville,NC
BASIL9: That is so awesome!!
I hope Rush’s comments make it to BM!
wbboei,
Brilliant, as usual.
IMHO,
It used to be the military-industrial complex.
Now it’s the military-industrial-entertainment (information) complex.
MSNBC has been running a Rev. Wright segment for awhile now. (re: New documents have come to light).
3/26/2008
Statement from Campaign Manager Maggie Williams on New Vote in Michigan
In the wake of today’s court ruling regarding Michigan’s January 15th primary, we urge Senator Obama to join our call for a party-run primary and demonstrate his commitment to counting Michigan’s votes.
Senator Clinton has consistently urged that the 600,000 votes cast by the people of Michigan be counted and if that is not possible, that a new election be held.
Michigan voters must not be disenfranchised and the Obama campaign must not continue to block Michigan’s efforts to hold a new vote. Rather it should move quickly to announce its support for a party run primary.
Michigan will be a key battleground state in November. Disenfranchising Michigan voters today will, in the heat of a general election, provide Senator McCain with a powerful argument to use against the Democratic nominee. We cannot allow this to happen.
The people of Michigan must be counted and their voices finally heard. What the people of Michigan need now is just action, not just words.
hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6768
kaffeeen,
I’m on MSNBC blackout. (except for Morning joe)
What’s the new Wright story? Is it the Italian garlic-nose scandal? hehehehe
BTW, didya get my message to sign me up?
further information:
While the Obama campaign offered this statement:
As we’ve said consistently, we think there should be a fair seating of the Michigan delegates. The Clinton campaign has stubbornly said they see no need to negotiate, but we believe that their Washington , my-way-or-the-highway approach is something voters are tired of.
The Obama campaign considers “negotiating” as to the delegates being split 50/50 between both camps. That’s not a negotiation…that’s an assumption that their campaign deserves delegates without having a full re-vote from Michigan Democrats.
Am I the only one who is jazzed about the convention? It looks like it’s going to be a party, democratic style. When Hillary told Greta that she was going to fight for FL and MI at the convention, I was wishing I was going to be there. That place is going to be happening lol.
Does anyone have the ratings for Greta last night?
@caroline
no you’re not the only one
I am hopeful of being at least outside the convention for all the fun my camera can possibly have 
Sheeeeeesh!!!! I’ve been meaning to post this parody about BO and Wright from Rush.
BO: I want to disassociate myself from reverend Wright and all the offensive comments he’s made that I never heard.
I’d also like to italians, Greeks, Meditaerraneans, Lithuanians, crackers, Cambodians,Croatians, Serbians, Chinese, Bosnia herzogovinians, Albanians, Indonesians, Ukranians and your gray-haired granny . . . . …..
Also reposting from Brillo-heads Sept. 2007 remarks about the impact of BO on other black candidates.
Donna Brazile, speaking at the September 28, 2007, Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s 37th Annual Legislative Conference forum on The Future of Black Politics, in which “Panelists talked about the presidential campaign of Senator Barack Obama and what it signals for other black candidates,” said in regards to Super Tuesday
Over 45% of our delegates will be chosen on that day and if you don’t think that we have political power, just wait until February 5th, 2008, we can determine the next nominee of the Democratic Party. We can also expand the number of African Americans who are holding political power. We can also build upon the success of Barack Obama. … We have enormous political power and its time that we leverage it, and we build upon it, and we expand it…
Donna Brazile, speaking at the September 28, 2007, Congressional Black Caucus Foundation’s 37th Annual Legislative Conference forum on The Future of Black Politics, in which “Panelists talked about the presidential campaign of Senator Barack Obama and what it signals for other black candidates,” said in regards to Super Tuesday
Over 45% of our delegates will be chosen on that day and if you don’t think that we have political power, just wait until February 5th, 2008, we can determine the next nominee of the Democratic Party. We can also expand the number of African Americans who are holding political power. We can also build upon the success of Barack Obama. … We have enormous political power and its time that we leverage it, and we build upon it, and we expand it…
HillaryforTexas Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
carbynew, there are two major reasons that the Democratic party keeps losing. They are:
1) Patriotism and national security. The Dems have allowed the field to be totally taken away from them here, for years. They have a chance to gain it back this year, with a candidate with strong military backing, good foreign policy experience, and a common-sense (not war-mongering) approach to security.
2) The second big reasons Democrats lose is that the leaders and their liberal punduts consistently talk down to the blue-collar Joe and Jane.
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H4T, I’m from California and we’re constantly being talked down to as the freaks, the dumb ones, the glam squad for the D.C. elites everything but one of the engines of this country and California economy was the 4th largest but under GWB it dropped to 8th…so yes I don’t have much respect about the crap being called news lately, because it rarely accurate about anything west of D.C.
I usually watch the political shows for entertainment…you know boo, yeah, boo, boo…you’re an idiot talk at my TV because they are so bad at giving you the true analysis of the country. You do better to listen to talk radio because at least you get to hear real people even if you disagree them.
Another thing, Obama will not win California he lost this state months ago and has only dug his hole deeper with the electorate. There is a reason why we have an republican governor that is supported by democrats of all stripes and McCain is a known popular figure out here.
Also the back east media tends to ignore California pro-military support or national defense because of a couple of very liberal universities in pro liberal counties up north that always in the news over having ROTC or military recruitment on campus issues.
California has a HUGE military presence in the state and over in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of my cousin is an Army Ranger serving in Afghanistan he is only 19. So yes, his family is worried sick of him and pray every day for his safe return but never did they disrespect his service with the kind of filth coming out of Dr. Wright’s BIGOTED HATE SPEECH mouth.
I’d also like to apologise to . . . .
More prrof Big Blogs are in cahoots:
This woman was fired for not following the
party line:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27194
Now TPM has a listing up on it’s homepage looking for someone new:
talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185823.php
So, wait…they fire a female who won’t carry water for Obama under some pretense of “For the time being, we’re cycling our regular contributers [sic] at the Coffee house and trying to cut down the number of folks with at will posting privileges. If you occasionally have a piece I’d of course love to check it out. But unfortunately we’re limiting the number of people who post regularly.”
And now they have open call??? Presumably for a
bot. I think we now get to call a spade a spade and shout it from the highest mountaintop.
I think we now get to call Josh Marshall a sexist,
apologist without any question about the veracity of it. Hey, Josh, if you’re reading this, e-mail me. Maybe we can have coffee when I visit the East Coast and talk about why you as a Jew, are apologizing for a guy who calls for bombing Pakistan, has anti-Israeli advisers, has an anti-semitic preacher and church and who has ties to NOI and NBPP? What? Is he sucking your dick? No, seriously…e-mail me. I’d like to know if throwing your credibility away is worth it. Especially when your blog has been rated one of the 25 most valuable just this week. Us real progressives can change that P.D.Q..
@Artiste….are you “spacegirl”? I had a very strange email exchange with DB earlier this week. Would like to compare notes.
Ann, I am
Good afternoon Hillfans. New quick post up which shows how easily folks can get suckered about Obama stuff. You’ll love this, I promise you.
rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-rezko-house-tony-rezkos-big.html
Want to forward you the text of an email exchange….would like your take.
“The Clinton campaign has stubbornly said they see no need to negotiate, but we believe that their Washington , my-way-or-the-highway approach is something voters are tired of.”
If there’s anything the Clinton campaign is NOT, it’s insider Washington.
BO, projecting much?
Basil, yes it is the “Garlic Nose” thing and some new op-ed or news print that is inflammatory to Jewish people and Israel.
I did not get your email. Perhaps you left an asterisk in there or something. Try again.
Anybody know if Gov Easley is supporting Hill or staying neutral?
Birdgal…do you have the entire statement from BO Camp on Michigan, or was that it?
ann spacegirlart@gmail.com
@Bmerryfield
I thought Google Earth’s pictures were not always “refreshed” and could be months and years old?
correct me if i am wrong
How can someone as stupid as this Gail Bray be a superdelegate?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Gail_Bray
FROM DELEGATE Gail Bray gailbray@yahoo.com You are dead wrong. Obama’s numbers are going in the right direction, he won Texas, he will win the most delegates, the most popular votes and he will beat McCain. I admire your conviction, but think you cannot ignore that the state Democratice parties have received an infusion of new blood, there are people who have never been involved in politics now turned on as activists, tired-out activists re-activated and lots of independents and Republicans who are supporting Obama because he is a man of integrity, of gumption, of foresight and of equanimity. He can win in states where Hillary cannot, he will get legislation passed with the broad based coalition of voters that back his candidacy and who will remain involved to press Congress to finally resolve festering problems and he brings a reinvigoration to those of us tired of politics as usual…some of us involved probably longer than you have been alive!
Lying is not HIS style and neither is his style one of killing off the entire Democratic party with comments and actions (like Hillary is presently doing with her bad case of “I want the Oval Office and I want it now” syndrome)!
Contrary to you when Obama is nominated, I would support HRC if nominated- because I am first and foremost wanting to rid ourselves of a Republican administration and this war which HRC helped us get into unwisely and only as she saw it was her Achilles heel did she “get religion” and pledge to get us out. Her “experience” is facetious- like saying one who works near a law office and sees the activities there is an ‘Experienced” lawyer! Give me a break. He actually has MORE legislative experienc than she does but she has repeated the work so ad nauseum that the American public now beleives it!
As for pandering…HRC is the best I know and it is failing.
I am lily white, not a bit guilty- just proud and excited.
I also think you might need a real news source-not FOX “pretend” NEWS. Real Democrats are not patronizing them. You might try it and like it. Please take me off your e-mail list as I find you are just another of the many FOX “pretend” NEWS spreader.
As a confirmed Obama superdelegate speaking with other as-yet undeclared superdelegates, HRC is losing. Sorry.
P.S. Barack is not into “attacking” anyone and HRC is the last person to understand that. He is positive and clear and will not stoop to the typical politics of negativity. That is why he is winning.
Easley is neutral.
From a previous thread:
rgb44hrc Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
birdgal, thanks for pointing out where the Pelosi letter was posted.
Great point. If Obama leads in pledged delegates by 2, is that fair? 10? 34? Where exactly do you draw the line.
I saw an article by a Superdelegate saying he’d draw the line at anything less than 150 difference in pledged delegates. That was before the Wright scandal.
New post on NBC oversampling AA poll out now:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27301
It’s worse than I thought and certainly not what TPM is trying to (mis) represent.
BMerry…I am a little lost on the RW fence story
I think NBC did that poll in order to drown out the story of how many Hillary backers wouldn’t vote for BO.
Artiste:
here is the entire e-mail, from Hillary Rapid Responders:
Judge Strikes down Michigan Primary Law as Unconstitutional
CBS News reports: “A federal judge today ruled that the Michigan law establishing the state’s Jan. 15 presidential primary is unconstitutional. The reason? The law unfairly prevents minor parties from access to voter lists.”
According to the Baltimore Sun: “U.S. District Court Judge Nancy Edmunds threw out part of the law because it allowed only the Democratic and Republican parties in the state to receive voter information. The suit was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of several other organizations, including local media.
The ruling has no bearing on whether the delegates who were awarded to Clinton based on her victory in the primary should be seated at the Democratic Convention.”
The Baltimore Sun furthers their negative bias against the Clinton camp, by stating “The Hillary Clinton campaign suffered another setback … it does make the Clinton campaign’s argument that the results are valid a bit less sustainable.”
Contrary to the negative bias by the news media, Clinton Campaign Manager Maggie Williams said today:
In the wake of today’s court ruling regarding Michigan ’s January 15th primary, we urge Senator Obama to join our call for a party-run primary and demonstrate his commitment to counting Michigan ’s votes.
Senator Clinton has consistently urged that the more that 600,000 votes cast by the people of Michigan be counted and if that is not possible, that a new election be held.
Michigan voters must not be disenfranchised and the Obama campaign must not continue to block Michigan ’s efforts to hold a new vote. Rather it should move quickly to announce its support for a party run primary.
Michigan will be a key battleground state in November. Disenfranchising Michigan voters today will, in the heat of a general election, provide Senator McCain with a powerful argument to use against the Democratic nominee. We cannot allow this to happen.
The people of Michigan must be counted and their voices finally heard. What the people of Michigan need now is just action, not just words.
While the Obama campaign offered this statement:
As we’ve said consistently, we think there should be a fair seating of the Michigan delegates. The Clinton campaign has stubbornly said they see no need to negotiate, but we believe that their Washington , my-way-or-the-highway approach is something voters are tired of.
The Obama campaign considers “negotiating” as to the delegates being split 50/50 between both camps. That’s not a negotiation…that’s an assumption that their campaign deserves delegates without having a full re-vote from Michigan Democrats.
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God….we need to hammer on everyone (newspaper, blog and TV pundit) that put out those poll numbers. Call them out. Emails, letters to editor, etc. Can’t let misinformation stand. We have to fight back on this stuff.
Taylor is my babe….love that one.
OkieAtty,
You would think they’d be a little less obvious. I mean oversampling voters favorable to BO is going to produce a poll that is favorable to him.
I was listening to Rush this morning too, just for a few minutes – and a caller called in saying, he was so mad at Rush that Operation Chaos had failed, and now we’re gonna have a President Hillary Clinton and McCain can’t beat her, and that McCain would’ve easily beat Obama had Rush just waited a few more states and not done Operation Chaos- and look what Rush did.
It was funny.
Rush defended himself, saying he’s not responsible if the Republicans lose. That’s their problem.
West Virginia U student body pres supports Hill.
McCain is most likely going to pick Governor Crist of Florida to be his VP. So Howard Dean take that
My brother think McCain is going to pick Jeb Bush.
artiste: i tried to forward the entire e-mail. did you get it?
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carbynew: i don’t think, McCain will pick Jeb Bush. Another Bush? I don’t think so.
carbynew
Jeb Bush as vp= Democratic landslide in 08!
Nope .. no Bush, he’ll run from that. Crist will help Florida remain firmly in the Repub hands..we could have stood a chance in Florida if the DNC would act like adults and give the delegates to the person who WON the vote.
Another wonderfully written post from wbboei.
BTW, The Baltimore Sun argument that the MI ruling is a blow to Hillary misses the point that she AND THE DNC signed off on a revote in MI. Because that fell through, the only thing left is the Jan. 15 primary results. That’s not her fault.
BTW, I’d take a 50-50 delegate split in FL and MI if the popular vote in both states counted – buy only if that threshold was met.
Next time NBC does a poll, they better over sample voters over the age of 60. They need to be sued….for real.
dija, you are absolutely correct, which is the whole point. These media types get so excited when they think that they’ve found something when, in reality, they’ve found nothing. I used to comment in articles to tell them how lazy they are .. and they are. Just needed to rub it in again.
However, that said, new Rezko-Auchi development .. of sorts.
rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/follow-money-auchi-rezko-out-of-chicago.html
I love that video on Taylor’s site where Joe Scarborough slams the wank from Newsweek. I know Joe is not always our favorite, but I tend to like that guy more than dislike him.
Jesus, forget about the poll. Voters don’t care about the poll.
mj .. lots of people do look and polls and go wtf? The pollsters must be called out for mismanagement .. especially with the pattern of mainstream media and print regarding bambi and his cultcrew.
dot, the pollster isn’t going to give a crap. It’s just a poll. It will be forgotten about completely in days.
Busted on the Rezko- Obama garden lot, it basically means Rezko bought the lot for no reason, why would a shrewd businessman buy a lot with no access.
In effect he bought it as a gift to Obama. The lot is useless to anyone else.
moon, i got that…but the fence divider thing…
guess it’s not a big deal in the OVERALL Story, that there will be a quid pro quo.
Also…anyone here with initials gf who just sent me mail with attachment?
where can I find the Gallup Poll for today .. anyone?
AH! Yes…bird…that was you!
OK…
just gunshy of opening attachments from unknown emails…especially lately!
B merry:
Ah…..i see
you do a great job by the way on rezko watch! Thank you!!
mj,
You are more than welcome to forget about that poll.
I happen to like polls that are done accurately. It amazes me that they even admitted that they over-favored Obama supporters in it.
That being said, I will still be interested in polls that are posted here.
artiste: me
Jan, this is how it is going to be until PA. Little coverage of Hill, some polls biased towards BO, rantings everywhere that Hill should drop out…Admin told us as much over a week ago. I just don’t see the usefulness of discussing this poll over and over again. But, feel free. Just doubt it serves any purpose.
djia, thanks (sorry for the spell error earlier .. djia, dija, whatever!).
Yes mj,
but this particular poll is so red-in-the-face for the Obama-media that it should be, at least in my opinion be discussed and not left to die a natural death. jmo
MABlue had this nugget from Mark Halperin posted on TM:
9. Because they can: the media continues to highlight the Clinton campaign’s negative tactics in a disapproving way, but only rarely points out the intensified negative tone and rhetoric Obama’s campaign has been using – even though it conflicts with the candidate’s professed desire for a new kind of politics.
basically Obama stuck that fence up to make it look like he is not using the property when we know damn well, its was his intention.
Why would anyone buy a useless piece of land with no access and then Obama sticks a fence up when people question the ownership.
They hoped no one would notice that the Rezko’s helped them buy that land and property and essentially gave it to them for unlimited use.
from what i understand, under a legal term, a gift is something donated for use without restriction but why the hell is nobody screaming about the fact that a sitting US Senator gets help buying a house with a useless plot from an indicted fraudster to the tune of about 1/2 a million and nobody think this stinks in the MSM, when that can basically be considered a cashless bribe.
What happened to that lawyer on Obama’s team, that used to work for Bill C.? I heard it was a conflict of interest to work for Obama! I think his name is Craig? I read he was going to be disbarred?
alright – so if I get up at 5am tomorrow, I can be on a conference call with Harold Ickes. What a toss up, but will probably do it.
Please send this to all superdelegates.
savagepolitics.com/
Here’s the Gallup story on whose voters will go where in November. I ask everyone to read it.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105742/Democratic-Groups-Most-Risk-Deserting.aspx
“At the time, GMH officials understood and believed Rezko to be a very successful and well respected Chicago businessman. ”
yeah, right
I don’t think it has anything to do with using or not using the land. It’s about the asking price. His friend bought the land at full price so he could buy the house below price. It’s a kick back.
Artiste, you have mail
BTW, Obama is up 4 in today’s Gallup poll. Hillary probably took a small hit for the Bosnia thing which will be gone in a few days.
Here’s a key graf from the Gallup story:
Black Democratic voters, regardless of whom they support, seem prepared to remain quite loyal to the Democratic Party. Fifteen percent of blacks who support Clinton would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee, and only 10% of blacks who support Obama would vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee. In other words, there is little apparent risk of losing a substantial proportion of black voters regardless of who the nominee is.
Ininla, that is awesome (re: CC). I’m jealous!
HRC live on CNN, she looks GREAT! (Tony the TIger).
I wish people would stop posting polls when we know the establishment is trying to pressure Hillary Clinton out the race. It’s all about helping Obambi and pushing out Hillary. I really don’t want to see any polls until it’s over because then the only poll that counts is the voters.
Have I told you how I just LOVE Jaime Ruben video and how he fought against the MSM BS that Andrea Mitchell pushed…the only thing I wished he did was to ask Andrea if she agree with Obama statement that “her husband was the cause of the problems that we’re in now?”
Doesn’t matter if he was going to use the land. Rezco certainly wasn’t. There is two things going on here. One, he got a deal on the price because his bud bought the land at full price. Two) His friend had no intention and no physical means to use the land.
It’s a kick back. There’s a political favor for Rezco in there somewhere or perhaps many favors. It’s obvious.
for those of you interested in TX caucus info – I got this from a friend who worked with me there – but take it with a very optimistic grain of salt as that’s his disposition –
seems that Obama is losing some of this delegates (in the TX precincts) left and right (and therefore Hillary is gaining) because upon vetting the signature pages, so many of the BO supporters who participated were illegitimate – either didn’t live in that area, didn’t vote in the earlier primary. Basically a bunch of cheaters…no surprise there.
Watching James Rubin I think I get the strategy.
Hillary as the voice of the people.
Key to that of course popular vote
Gallup is shit, if they think Obama’s up 4, they been oversampling too i bet.
Ininla, for what? Who the hell gets up at 5am for a conference call?
Ininla, I really think Rush and his like NEED Hillary to win, their ratings would go thru the roof. But with McCain winning, then its pretty much preaching to the choir.
I just read on talk left that Hillary is throwing the kitchen sink at bambi and Pelosi and the rest of the latte’liberals don’t like it. This guy was saying if Hillary get the nomination, people will think it was because Hillary has used dirty politics. Well, are they stupid, look at the Texas caucas, I mean how dirty can you get. I am glad they are searching the signatures!! I will make sure they do that in Crockett also, especially where they had no chairman it run the caucas as they did here in Grapeland!
Although I don’t take much stock in polls, I must admit a lot of people do. When I fielded calls, many concerned supporters would ask, “this so-and-so said she’s down by ____, what’s on the ground now.”
A lot of people do take stock in polls. Go figure.
I betcha HRC gets up at 3am for a conference call!
I printed today’s Gallup results because someone asked about them, lol. The race is still about even nationally and has been that way for awhile.
Well, if people are worried about poll having an impact then blog about in places where people will read.
confloyd, Democrats are a paradox. They were upset with Gore and Kerry b/c the two men didn’t fight and allowed Bush to ascend to the throne.
Now, they have a woman who is willing to fight and they’re accusing her of “dividing the party” and, as you say, “playing dirty politics.”
Can’t have it both ways folks.
Ininla,
That is great news about the Texas caucus delegates!
“on talk left that Hillary is throwing the kitchen sink at bambi”
Hillary is throwing things at him?? Like what?
This is such a lie.
filberts – you have to pushback when you do your calls and tell them what happened with the latest NBC/WSJ poll and that it’s biased.
I’ll email you filberts.
Agreed – OAndrewD – Hillary as voice of the people, Hillary as the populist – and given her supporters, she really is.
But problem is how to bypass this biased media. I’m emailing people to go watch Fox News; we need mass movement away from MSNCB and CNN – and Fox true to their claim is in fact more fair and balanced.
I am sure that Pelosi, Dean, et al will get even more hateful when Hillary wins. They are their own party’s worst enemies!
wow .. iraq getting worse and worse
Well, it’s hard to believ BO is up in the Gallop poll, owever the poll shows something I have said for months. It’s not african american voters who will bolt if Hill is not the nominee. It’s just the latte liberals. Well go on then. We can win without you.
BTW, like Ininla’s source speculates, I do think BO may have lost some delegates in TX. Remember I told y’all that a lot of Texans made a big deal of BO not putting his hand on his heart when the Anthem was sung?
Well, if that upset them, can you imagine what they’ll think when his pastor damns America?
Me being me, I don’t give a rats ass, but Texans and I have a different definition of patriotism.
I mean if Hill is the nominee.
I still can’t get how the media can ignore the hammas memo, the italian slurs, etc. It’s obious this guy was always slinging hate. Its an established pattern. Which means Obama is lying. Why isn’t that discussed?
obama’s israel trouble making pastor porblem about to go msm. its on cbsnews webpage right now-
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/27/ politics/horserace/entry3973700.shtml
plural, these bots are so into Jesus that they think it is Hillary doing it, but all along its Obama playing dirty politics, you can’t get any dirtier that to fix the caucas’s. I mean that’s right up there with a third world country leader!!
From FactHub:
Recent news reports mistakenly suggest Hillary broke the law by allowing Elton John, a foreign national, to perform for her campaign.
Hillary’s campaign has complied with the law. Since 1987, the FEC has consistently held that foreign nationals may volunteer their time for campaigns on an uncompensated basis. Elton John is simply volunteering his uncompensated time to appear at the concert. This appearance is consistent with past FEC rulings.
Bob Biersack, FEC Spokesman confirmed that there was nothing unlawful about the Elton John performance:
“I did not intend to convey in my conversation with the Washington Times reporter that there is anything unlawful about Elton John performing in a concert to raise money for a US presidential candidate. The Advisory Opinion 2004-26 is clear in the circumstances of the request that foreign nationals may volunteer and may even solicit contributions from non-foreign nationals, provided they are not soliciting other foreign nationals.”
Because the media want him to win. It’s that simple.
Here’s a clip from Gene Lyons’s column yesterday that makes the point explicit:
“In Time, Mark Halperin provides a list of “Painful Things Hillary Clinton Knows—Or Should Know.” No. 7: “The Rev. Wright story notwithstanding, the media still wants Obama to be the nominee—and
that has an impact every day.” We’ve come full circle. So confident have the Beltway media courtiers grown in their social and political status that what once was furiously denied is now boasted about. Politicians may come and go, but Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, Tim Russert and Maureen Dowd preside over a permanent House of Lords.”
texan4hillary,
can you give the link again? It isn’t working for me.
Thanks.
T4H, that link does not work for me.
Well, ininla, at least you don’t have to get dressed up for the conf call.
I’ll be gone tonight and wouldn’t be able to do the conf call even if I wanted to.
How come I didn’t know about the TX thing you’re doing? I have people in TX would keep me informed about what’s going on and I didn’t hear anything about this.
You must have super-special friends.
psymac – after listening to right-wing radio and watching Fox News more than ever, I’m developing a healthy respect for some Republicans (not that I’m at all becoming one). I really believe that there are many Republicans who are interested in the good of the country and that trumps partisanship – here’s an interesting post in the comments section from Stop-Obama.org (and for Obama trolls who think Dem for a Day is fun, here’s a taste of your own medicine):
former repub — for nowon 25 Mar 2008 at 9:00 am 6
I changed my affliliation in PA to democrat, JUST TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA… am I republican?? yes!!!
Do I like either hillary or obama?? no!!!!
Will I do everything I can to keep Obama and his “finally proud of american” wife and his “anti-white”, “anti-sematic”, “anti-america” preacher FARRRR away from the Whitehouse?? HELL YES!!!!!!!!
Someone came by our house from the Obama camp to convince us to change to democrat …WELL I DID and what I didn’t tell them is … I CHANGED MY PARTY AFFILIATION TO VOTE AGAINST OBAMA!!!!!
Great site BTW~
In case anyone hasn’t seen/received this, an email update from Maggie Williams:
—
Dear Democrats,
Thank you for all your hard work, enthusiasm and support over the past few weeks. This campaign — your campaign — depends on you. And you have delivered for Hillary time and time again.
The excitement continues to build and the stakes are high as we look ahead to the next state races beginning with Pennsylvania. With your help we will win Pennsylvania.
How will we do that?
* First, we’re making sure that as many voters as possible see Hillary. We know that when Hillary makes contact with voters most of our work is done. People connect to Hillary and connect to her vision of America’s future. Hillary gets an incredible response as she travels across our country. Just take a look at this recent video of Hillary and Pennsylvania Congressman John Murtha on the trail.
* Second, we’re on the air already with ads that really speak to the people of Pennsylvania. We are fighting back against Obama’s $3 million ad blitz. Click here to take a look at our first ad, “Level.”
* Third, we are fighting for every delegate because we believe that every delegate is worth fighting for. And we are working to ensure that voters in Florida and Michigan have their voices heard at the convention.
* And we are integrating our incredible volunteer corps into our multifaceted ground operation in Pennsylvania and all the states. We have an energized volunteer crew on the ground now across the country knocking on doors, making calls, distributing literature, holding “Hillary” signs high, and doing just about any and everything they can think of to get the word out about Hillary.
I am grateful for your unwavering support of Hillary’s candidacy and your commitment to creating the kind of country we want for ourselves and our children.
Thank you so much for everything you are doing.
Sincerely,
Maggie Williams
Maggie Williams
Campaign Manager
A great diary at talk left out today
it’s basis a conference call from the Clinton Campaign…
“Hillary Says Obama’s Economic Plan Mirrors Her’s but Lacks Specifics”
I’m on Hillary Clinton’s media conference call right now. The theme was her new economic stimulus plan vs. the one Barack Obama announced today.
Shorter version: Obama’s a copycat. One week ago, Hillary proposed a $30 billion second stimulus plan. Today he introduced a $30 billion second stimulus plan. If he can’t come up with his own proposals on the campaign trail, how will he do it as president?
Her plans are specific proposals, his are a statement of principles. (More here.)
They accused Obama’s campaign of negative personal and character attacks on Hillary Clinton and of savaging her in personal terms on his daily campaign calls.
Polls show Obama isn’t connecting with voters on the economy so he’s now offering ideas, but they are ideas she proposed a week ago. That’s not leadership, that’s followership.
Reporter question about the Anti-Italian slur by Wright in Trumpet Magazine: They don’t know anything about it. A reporter describes it. “Comments like that have no place in the public discourse.”
More…
read more here: talkleft.com/story/2008/3/27/132914/138
mj, See my post at 3:14 for why the MSM ignores negative stuff about St. Obama.
Also, you shouldn’t be surprised about the Gallup poll. Remember, the MSM fawned over St. Obama’s race speech and assured the public the issue is now behind him. That has an impact, though we all know the GOP will obliterate him in November with those videos. It’s already causing problems in swing states, which is not being reported by the MSM (of course).
Does anyone have HillBillyLover’s new site? I know he gave it out yesterday but I can’t seem to find that post.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/27/politics/horserace/entry3973700.shtml
Today’s Rasmussen:
Clinton = 46%
Obama = 44%
Clinton +2 from yesterday
Inanla:
I hope you are right about TX causus delegate switch!
I am still calling TX on today’s script!
(The Politico) Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), responded late Wednesday night to a letter by supporters of New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton urging his boss to stop making comments about the superdelegates respecting the will of Democratic primary voters and caucus-goers:
“Speaker Pelosi is confident that superdelegates will choose between Senators Clinton or Obama — our two strong candidates — before the convention in August,” Daly said. “That choice will be based on many considerations, including respecting the decisions of millions of Americans who have voted in primaries and participated in caucuses. The Speaker believes it would do great harm to the Democratic Party if superdelegates are perceived to overturn the will of the voters. This has been her position throughout this primary season, regardless of who was ahead at any particular point in delegates or votes.”
The Clinton supporters had asked Pelosi, who remains neutral in the presidential contest, to refrain from making comments that could influence undecided superdelegates to back the candidate with the most votes – who, at this point, happens to be the New York senator’s rival, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. But Daly’s comments suggest the speaker will not be backing off of her stance any time soon.
Thanks texan4hillary.
“The letter says Israel worked on an “ethnic bomb” that kills “blacks and Arabs.” The letter also says “Israel was the closest ally to the white supremacists of South Africa.” ”
“Obama has a Jewish problem.”
Damn right he has a Jewish problem and he’d better start addressing it.
How on earth would anyone want to vote for a man who for 20 + years sat in a church along with his family and listened to/read a minister’s horribly racist thoughts and did nothing about it?
Where is the outrage???
mp – I’m going to start calling TX people too later today when people start coming home from work.
are you registered at HillBillyLover’s website where perhaps we can finally exchange contact info in the “safehouse?”
She remains “neutral” if you are a fricken idiot.
lninla Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
for those of you interested in TX caucus info – I got this from a friend who worked with me there – but take it with a very optimistic grain of salt as that’s his disposition –
seems that Obama is losing some of this delegates (in the TX precincts) left and right (and therefore Hillary is gaining) because upon vetting the signature pages, so many of the BO supporters who participated were illegitimate – either didn’t live in that area, didn’t vote in the earlier primary. Basically a bunch of cheaters…no surprise there.
And I think in Ohio that sort of thing is illegal, and some authorities there are checking into it?
Can they check Iowa? Pretty please? (And Hawaii?)
lol…1950democrat,
They should check every single caucus that has been held so far. Either that or throw the results out the window and just go with the primary vote.
ininla:
No I am not but will register. Maybe I can also get admin here to forward an email to you!
Ininla, what are the first 3 digits of your email? I am going to start verifying the registrations this way before giving access, a couple bots have been registering with your names there. I think one of them registered as you, so until I verify which one is you I am suspending access to private area.
Could anyone that has registered over there please give me the first 3 digits of your email addresses?
I know it is a pain, but there are bots swarming like bees around here.
HillBilly lover…what site is this?
HillBilly … mine is wvg ..
be sure you don’t have more than one dot48
I agree: they need to check every single causus – not just for the delegates but for those who actually voted!
HillBillyLover, can you give out your site address or is that now no longer permitted b/c of the bots?
mj, The whole point of that NBC poll was to convince Dem primary voters that Wright hasn’t damaged St. Obama. The GOP, on the other hand, is busy laughing its ass off at the Dems/MSM’s delusion.
Hillbilly, is that what you meant when you said I was registered? I have not registered.
mp Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
I agree: they need to check every single causus – not just for the delegates but for those who actually voted!
If they had done all that on Mar 4th, we wouldn’t be in this mess. I really think the DNC are a big mess.
Oh boy, Hillbilly… you’ve got a mess of infiltrators.
Nancy is an idiot. The “will” of the voters is split. The will of the primary voters is Hill. Caucuses are nothing more than Party meetings. They don’t prove much.
I got another fundraising letter from the DNC. I took it wrote 0$ and put a check mark next to it. Then I wrote on it that their disenfranshisement of FL and MI is un-American and I will not support the party until they rectify this situation. Put it in the envelope and stuck it in the mail.
HRC is so great responding to questions, really her best trait, second only to debates!
T4H: you’re right! it will hit MSM now! YIPPIE!!
JanH: I agree they should check all caucus states, and perhaps if they find a problem in OH and Tx they will be next,but my quess is they will “bury” this story as it will cause a huge problem with GE in the fall.
TCB: GREAT IDEA!!! I will follow suit!! LOL
hillbillylover – it’s bab
I am suspending the private area for each person until each of you verify your first 3 digits of your emails here. Don’t give me the emails unless you have already registered. Once I compare them to your registered email I’ll restore access to the private area.
Little obamacreeps are everywhere these days!
I am going to be Sf next week for a hillary event…
I saw the picture of CANS on Taylormarsh’s site!
I will take some empty CANS to Pelosi’s office….
hillbillylover – if you want to send me an email, I will respond – that’s probably one way to ensure that we are we who are.
HillBillyLover .. dot48/wvg
Hillbilly, there has to be a better way to do this because now everyone has posted that stuff here.
Hillbilly: mine is my first and last name @ q dot com
Wat is wrong with those losers? I have no interest in Obama sites. These people are deranged.
ROTFLMAO!!!! Obama is losing another SD!!
found this at talk left just now
Governor of Puerto Rico Indicted
By Jeralyn, Section Corruption Cases
Posted on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:12:11 AM EST
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A two year investigation has resulted in the indictment of Puerto Rico Governor Anibal Acevedo Vila on on 19 counts “including conspiracy to violate U.S. federal campaign laws and giving false testimony to the FBI.”
Acevedo dismissed the indictment as nothing but politics and “a spectacle designed to damage me.” ….The 55-page indictment alleges that Acevedo also personally helped a group of Philadelphia-area businessmen in their efforts to obtain Puerto Rican government contracts after they delivered illegal campaign contributions from their own staff and family members.
Acevedo is a superdelegate for Barack Obama. Big Tent Democrat has some thoughts on how Puerto Rico’s voters will vote in their June 1 primary here.
Bob Johnson BET just told Cavuto on Fox that he has a letter from Pelosi asking for $100,000 for convention and that he just hasn’t decided if he’ll pledge or not.
Wonder if we could get contact info for all those who signed that letter. They are worth contacting as well…let them know that voters are sick of how Hillary is being treated.
Hillbilly – mine’s tin.
HillBilly, It’s pwo.
I love Bob Johnson.
Just now on Hannity (radio)
Msnbc they’ve got Obama and we’ve (fox) got the “clinton news network” LOL go hannity!!
Hannity: what is it about obama?
caller says: “obama can unite the country”
Hannity: “UNITE the country!! he can’t even unite the democratic party! “
mj,
The “will” of the voters is split. The will of the primary voters is Hill. Caucuses are nothing more than Party meetings. They don’t prove much.
Exactly!
Good for Bob Johnson!
dija: LOL!
Hillbillylover: gai
I suggested this on TM’s site, anytime a troll happens our way in the comments, then go to HRC, donate, and come back and thank the troll.
wonder how Judas boy feels now .. Bloomberg looks to be getting cozy, cozy with bambi. Ha!
@djia,
While I would never wish anyone ill, I am very happy that he has lost another SD. How sad that more and more of his supporters are turning out to have “issues.”
Sinec Cable blackout I tune to streaming talk radio while on pc. Listening to hannity and a caller says she’s never voted in her life but she’s going to vote for BO and Hannity says why and she says because he can unite the world. (barf) Hannity says, “What do you mean he can unite the world? He can’t even unite the Democratic Party.”
“Do you think he’s honest about not knowing the feelings of his Pastor?” he continues.
Caller says, ‘Who cares what the Pastor says.”
Hannity asks what has BO done, what are his accomplishments and the caller says Oh he’s so inspiring. . . .
Platitudes, bumper stickers and slogans says Hannity.
I just don’t get the “unite the country” line. Because he says so? Hell, Hillary has worked in a bipartisanship fashion in the Senate more than he has, lol.
Hillbilly – cam
Bloomberg doesn’t have a shot in hell of being Obama’s pick. he’s just doing this to ingratiate himself with aa voters, so he can run third Party when Hill wins.
dot48, Don’t worry about Bloomberg. He also likes and respects Hillary.
@JanH; I agree…….but i am just lovin that his “delegates” are disapearing….AT THIS RATE… by the time the PA Primary comes around Hillary should be ahead in delegates LOL!!
Birdgal: I’ve got to tell ya all Hannity is on a roll today! LOL if you care to listen online go here
w w w . wabcradio.com/article.asp?id=531472
Paula: et all….my bloomberg theory…….he’s the newest 007 for hillary camp
Has Hillary proposed any science and technology plans (i.e. dealing with NASA) I know she has been a vocal supporter of the manned space program, but she should release specifics and how she would make the US more competitive in fileds of engineering and science with countries like China and India. She needs to hit Barack on his moratorium on the space program. Over 3,000+ jobs will be lost in 2011(??), not to mention the indirect effects like government contracts to Boeing and other aerospace companies.
So is it true the DNC doesn’t have enough money for the convention? How pathetic is that …
Yes, MJ, one of the bots signed up as you.
I have revoked all access to the secure area for now until I hear from you with the first 3 digits of email. I have verified these emails so far:
Dot48
Paula
Shenanigans
The web address for those that need it is politwix.com/kt
Guys,
Don’t chop my head off or anything but do we have any concrete proof that Pelosi is for BO? I’ve seen some circumstantial stuff (pledged delegates etc) that would suggest she is but is there anything more than that?
Hillbilly, it’s car
It’s going to come down to whether Senator Clinton and former President Clinton can convince enough of the super delegates to go with her. I always believed no one was better at this type of trench warfare than the “Clinton Machine”. However, with Dean, the treacherous Pelosi, Richardson, Kennedy, and of course AL Gore, who blames the Clinton’s for his loss(unjustifiable as he ran a horrible campaign and lost his homestate for gods sake!!!!) , this is one battle that they may lose. We absolutely need Florida and Michigan seated, and we need to win the popular vote to have a chance IMO.
If the party choses to through the Clinton’s under the bus, we (Clinton die hards) have no choice but to reject Obama, and abstain or vote McCain.
jr, hell yes.
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/993/1
1950’s Democrat,
Yes, it is illegal in Ohio and the state is going after Limbaugh coz he’s been promoting Operation Chaos and encouraging repubs to vote for HRC, the inverse of what BO is doing. And now Ohio is threatening to INDICT Rush and his listeners are in a panic thinking they could go to jail. Rush is having a ball with it.
Point is, as I’ve written Rush and which he said on his program yesterday, if HE’s being investigated for ‘voter fraud and suppression’ the same should happen to BO coz he’s been doing the same thing. So let’s see where this goes. I wish someone knew who to contact with this stuff.
jbstonesfan, something is fishy about your post. New here?
nikki22 please she’s for BO. You don’t need hard copy to know that…it’s what she does that illuminate that point.
Obama is what the establishment want = a black male.
hillbilly,
mine is hil
ADMIN,
CAN WE START ORGANIZING PROTESTS?
SHOULDNT WE START PUTTING OUR FOOT DOWN AND MAKING OUR WANTS KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC?
I think Gore actually is staying out of this. I also believe he and the Clintons have smoothed over their rift, from what I’ve read.
I so rooted for Gore and I was crushed with his loss BUT even I knew that he shot himself in the foot by distancing himself from Bill Clinton. I am sure that Gore realizes that now. I really believe that Gore will not make a move either way, not until the convention.
Oh lord, the new yahoo headline “poll shows Clinton favorability hits new low”. WTF are they polling? Do these people live under rocks or something?
Ok, I’ve verified filbert, birdgal, tinydancer and djia now.
Anyone that has posted there email here on this site before presents a verification problem for me as mj has pointed out.
I’ll have to figure out something else for those folks. Let me think about that a little bit.
Paula,
I think Al wasn’t a very good politician in that 2000 campaign & he needed someone to blame. Blaming the big dawg & the lewinsky thing was just easy. I think they’ve patched things up now- Gore’s been at Bill’s conference in NYC. But isn’t Gore a superdelegate?
Niiki, it’s extremely unusual for a speaker of the house to publically make the statements she’s made. It just doesn’t happen.
Hillbilly,
A bot signed in as MJ?
that’s strange.
BTW, mine is hil
Why can’t we organize protests in all the 50 states against the disenfranchizement of Florida and Michigan. I could be like that National Pryer day where everyone meets at a flag pole at the same exact time! This is America, we count all votes, the other countries are watching!! I am in!
nikki22 please she’s for BO. You don’t need hard copy to know that…it’s what she does that illuminate that point.
Obama is what the establishment want = a black male.
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Obama is what PELOSI wants = a black male who will not win! DOES not want another WOMAN to make her look smaller! She wants to remain in control over dealing with PRESIDENT McCain..
That is why I say we boot her off the speaker’s job next time!
I actually hope that they lose a few seats in the House but still remain a majority. This way she can be gotten rid of easier!
mj,
I hear ya. I just don’t ever remember reading anything about HRC & Pelosi having any kind of beef. They seem like natural allies, both being powerful women and all that. I guess we’ll know for sure at the convention.
Obamabots must be lonely and desperate. Start your own website, fools!
Ok now I have Carbynew and Basil9
You guys got to ignore those polls. They are just manipulating data to create their own narrative.
I believe FL & MI delegates should be seated, I believe Hillary is most qualified to be president and should be the president.
Ok having said that, I believe, the DNC, et al, are actually doing what they think is best for the “party”. Should they side with Hillary, who they know is the more qualified candidate, they would essentialy be telling the delusional supporters of BHO they are not welcome. It appears quite strategic. However, I don’t believe they are doing it the right way. Their position should remain NEUTRAL. They are not, and hence have lost the loyalty of many lifelong democrats.
The party elders have been around for a long time, so I see the DNC’s push to get new blood in. What they have done though, is frankly push the party loyalists to the side in this pursuit. Big mistake.
I honestly don’t believe anyone would have anticipated the race would be this close, and there is plenty of blame to go around. BHO for all his deception and getting the lion’s share of the media, Hillary’s miscalculations after 2/5/08. All of us should have expected this enoumous battle in the super bowl of politics but we didn’t. Last year Hillary was considered to be the shoe in for the nomination. Everything and everyone has miscalculated.
So now MI & FL become the front and center issue in this contest. Would it have been an issue if Hillary had held the frontrunner status of the past? If I were in BHO camp I wouldn’t want them to count, he may be unqualified to president but he aint a fool.
The “party” must now fix this big miscalculation to suit all the democrats. Good luck.
Since it is too late to change now, I say again, for the future, caucuses and delegates should be removed from this process and let every VOTE count. Eliminate Iowa’s and NH front runner status in the election cycle, establish a lottery system for who goes first and when, and close elections to registered democrats “during primaries”, this is our process and should not be infiltrated. Furthermore, eliminate the lockout of 3rd party candidates at debates, and set up mandatory public financing for all candidates.
Nancy Pelosi has been the shittiest Speaker EVER. She cannot do her job, she has no spine, she’s weak, she promised all that 100 day shit and she never coughed up the FIRST result.
The promises made in 06 are gonna come back to roost in the next midterms. I can hear the ads now … all the promises and WHAT have they accomplished? Jack Shit. They could have cut off funding for this war but Pelosi or Reid don’t have enough spine.
Shittiest bunch of NONDOERS ever. The Do nothings.
obama thinks his campaign is like the bataan death march. foot in mouth-thepage
Tells donors at New York fundraiser: “For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it’s like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright.”
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nikki22 Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
mj,
I hear ya. I just don’t ever remember reading anything about HRC & Pelosi having any kind of beef. They seem like natural allies, both being powerful women and all that. I guess we’ll know for sure at the convention.
My friend read about it. It’s Bill. She holds a grudge. I think she’s jealous.
She seriously needs to put the Space, Science, and Technology issues back out there and make the distinction. Yesterday she said that our economy depends on science and technological advancement, so maybe she should re-introduce her plans and integrate it into how the economy would be better off with a strong space and science program, while educating and creating new technology.
People that have names registered that I have not verified yet are:
Idunn
Sherm Kader
Texan4Hillary
Moonpluto
Ininla
debbie
theartistformerlyknownas
If you did not register with me please let me know so I can delete and ban the bots. Thanks!
hillbillylover – email us, and we’ll respond in kind. Even if you want to ask some sort of “only we would know” kind of question re: Admin, Taylor Marsh, etc. etc.
here’s another way to ensure we’re who we are – you can go to fundrace and check out how much we’ve donated to HRC. I imagine many of us are fairly high level donors.
dot48 Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
mj .. lots of people do look and polls and go wtf? The pollsters must be called out for mismanagement ..
I agree. Handwringing over legitimate polls may be negative clutter, but when a poll is being quoted as showing a big change in opinion when the real change is in the polling method — THAT needs to be posted and repeated, so we all know about it and can debunk it in comment debates elsewhere. (Cites would be nice, too.)
HillBillyLover: you must of missed my post up thread
my email is Deborah(last name)@q.com
obama’s pastor problems and israel on msm now-cnn talking about his chruch’s newsletter and the hamas op-ed. hillary’s spokeperson condemned obama’s church over this.
hillbilly-im texan4hillary and didnt reg on your site
jr, did you get the link I posted? Hillary is the only candidate to talk about science and NASA and such. Unfortunately, with the economy and the state of Iraq, science has been push way, way back. Only those in the scientific field would list that as an issue they want to see addressed.
Hillary doesn’t have much time left in the Primary and she has other pressing issues she needs to get out there.
Honestly, for people whose homes have been foreclosed, lost a loved one in Iraq, or have been layed off, do you think they want her to talk about the NASA?
has anyone notified the MSM that BO left unpaid parking tickets for nearly an entire decade? The timing when he paid them (jan 2007) makes me think he waited until he could get his hands on campain funds. dispicable.
t4t .. who was Hillary’s spokesperson? Sort of wish they wouldn’t get too involved in the wright controversy. I’d rather they just let this drip out and say we’ll let the voters decide
texan4hillary, someone posted this under your name:
Re: Hillaryis44 people
« Reply #15 on: Today at 11:40:14 AM » Quote
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i am soooo glad we have this forum to ourselves. get rid of those barack hussein obama robots
love to all,
texan4hillary
My point is that if this kind of mismanagement of polling is common, we need to let people know to be even MORE sceptical of polls.
I’ve got you djia.
Ininla, does your email end in gmx.net?
that is not me dude! hillbilly thats nto even how i write-i never use barack’s middle name.
I agree with dot. Don’t know if they should get so involved.
I here Hillary is going to have a couple of houseparties here in Medford Oregon and Jemhu will be at one of them. Anyone know how to get ahold of people to get hooked up?
Hillbilly, no. That is not Ininla’s email. She and I email back and forth whenever something is not fit to post here.
I don’t know why I’m unable to post here!!
Did anyone forward obama possibly paying for parking tickets with campaign funds to the media?
The pollsters are mismanaging the polls because they do not want Americans to see what they are really finding out.
I know this: everybody I talk to says that the Wright controversy has affected them DEEPLY, not just minor, DEEPLY.
Poll manipulation might stave up the public perception but it won’t stave up the REAL voters.
I suspected that was a bot.
Ok, Ininla, I have your actual acct with access now.
go vote in the larry king live poll today! obama is ahead
cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/index.html
Who’s having the tougher time?
Hillary Clinton over her Bosnia recall 62% 371
Barack Obama over his pastor 38% 232
Total Votes: 603
This was too good from a commenter at TM!
I think FL & MI dems should send Howard Dean photos of fingers dipped in purple ink.
Diane | 03.27.2008 – 4:42 pm | #
can’t we, like, make a hillary network or something? Something like facebook where all profits go to the HRC campaign?
dot48 i agree completely; i work with so many braindead Obamabots and they refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE the hole BO has dug himself into.
Paula Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
So is it true the DNC doesn’t have enough money for the convention? How pathetic is that …
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They’re going to have even less when the big wig donors ask for their donations back.
Maybe they can hold the convention outside the convention center, in the parking lot.
Follow-up info on Texas caucus: Signed affadavit in atty office yesterday, as one of more than 2,000+ reports of serious voter disenfranchisement/irregularities at caucus locations. Night of Mar. 4 caucus, I watched HRC support change from approximately 70/30% her favor to around 55/45% her favor due to official in charge allowing Obama supporters to enter past beginning of caucus, but not allowing HRC supporters. Sheets to sign available for BO supporters, but not made available to HC supporters until we raised nine kinds of hell. Blatant in-your-face intimidating tactics implemented throughout BO’s many caucus “steals.” Why wouldn’t he think he can further disenfranchise MI and FL? He’s been given carte blanche by DNC, Dean et al. Will be delegate Sat. at County Conventionfor HC – should be more fireworks.
rgb44hrc,
Maybe they can hold the convention outside the convention center, in the parking lot. LOL!
can anyone read this? I ccannot see my posts
So I’m wondering how far down and dirty this championing of Obama has gone and will still go?
Were there war rooms right from the start that had a Hillary take down planned all along? No matter what it took? Did they know all there was to know about Obama and make a conscientious effort to silence anyone or suppress any links/information that could potentially damage their “chosen one” big time?
Will an investigation into their doings shame the DNC for all time?
Paula Says:
BTW, I’d take a 50-50 delegate split in FL and MI if the popular vote in both states counted – but only if that threshold was met.
I wouldn’t! Everyone already knows what the popular vote was, and getting it officially recorded somewhere won’t make that much differnce, as the popular vote never officially counts.
A 50-50 split is offensive! “We’ll count your votes — but only after we change them.” That’s as bad as, “We’ll seat your delegates — but only after we’ve already chosen the nominee.”
What I would accept is to send in ALL the delegates from FL and MI as “Uncommitted.” Wipe all pledges and let each of them decide for him/her self. Effectively making them all Superdelegates.
That’s actually the traditional thing, and even now the slate of “Uncommitted” delegates was already on the MI ballot before Obama began campaigning for it.
What do you guys think? Should she be responding to the hammas op-ed?
MJ,
whats the point? BO seems to be digging his own hole just fine
Tonight on Fox:
Oreilly:Thursday, March 27:
• Did Limbaugh break the law by telling Republicans to vote for Hil?
• And, racism charges over magazine cover featuring LeBron James and Gisele Bundchen
• Plus, the best of the Great American Culture Quiz!
Hannity: Thursday, March 27:
Former Bush adviser Mary Matalin weighs in on the latest election ‘08 news of the day. Plus, a pastor gives an outrageous speech about Barack Obama. We’ll play the tape and he’ll respond. And, Dr. Laura Schlessinger on her new book
NO, hillary team needs to run below the radar. let the drip, drip….
The bosnia thing is going to stick to her because she said it. not a surrogate, not somebody else. her team has to figure a way to tackle the fallout. Her military men need to get on tv and show why they back her, regardless of a mistake .. she’s human and she’s allowed a mistake.
obviously after her answering a question this week, I don’t think it will do hillary any good to weight in on anything obama at this point, she needs to stick to the B&B issues
and let the drip drip drip happen to obama on its own.
they have the goods .. its a matter of timing on their part of how to run with them. Hannity catching tons of hate right now too. Patience.
obama answering charlie gibsons questions tonight on world news
Fox 5pm show featuring the Jewish statements and articles by the good Dr.
unbelievable: tweety and tucker are discussing obama and his saying NO to a revote even though clinton said they would come up with the money…….tucker is asking WHY?? would he turn it down!! and standing up for hillary (a little bit yet denying he’s standing up for her)
Tweetie replaying hillary’s interview with greta where she is talking about Obama saying no to re votes
santorum says he thinks there is MORE to come on Obama.
still NOBODY will cite the screwed polling by WSJ
CLASS TRUMPS TRASH
I just flicked through the 5pm news and caught HRC on Bitcher speaking from a town hall meeting and responding to a question about polls that show a significant number of her supporters would back McCain if she were not the nominee and the same for BO if her were not the nominee. The questioner went on to ask HRC what she would say to those voters and without missing a beat she said she would urge them to rethink their decision. She then went on to say the party will be unified and the most important thing is putting a dem in the WH.
What really struck me is how GRACIOUS she was in response to the question, unlike BO who stated a couple of weeks ago that if HRC were the nominee her supporters would go to him but he didn’t think his supporters would go to HRC, not to mention his lovely wife’s response to whether she would support HRC if she were the candidate and MO said she’d have to think about that.
Dot48: Joe s said this morning something about the polls…..he wasn’t specific to that poll but did make reference to how
they are skewed (not his words)
What’s the scoop on MO saying “That’s America”? in what situation did she say that recently? Didn’t catch the whole story. I take that it must have been a putdown – what else would you expect?
HillBill…II have not registered at all yet, nor even yet been to the site…so if you have someone being me…it aint.
Diva and Dot (I think) have my email address, as does Ann. But I will set up a second one when I head your way.
Ann…Dot…will you send HillBill THIS address and then HillBill…drop me a line
I have enough problems with assholes on this site. It’s amazing to ME that THEY employ the EXACT SAME TACTICS they so decry in George Bush. I have no doubts they will coontinue the Bush policy of privacy invasion if they get to be in charge. They are like Brownshirts.
dot48 Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
NO, hillary team needs to run below the radar. let the drip, drip….
The bosnia thing is going to stick to her because she said it. not a surrogate, not somebody else. her team has to figure a way to tackle the fallout. Her military men need to get on tv and show why they back her, regardless of a mistake .. she’s human and she’s allowed a mistake.
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Why are you guys making a big deal out of this….show the original CBS Video and stand by it…and it the media right or left want to make it more then talk about McCain showing him walking down the market and promoting it was safe but he had a ton of military with him.
That’s why she should not keep apologizing…she said the truth…no 12 years later the media edited out the good protion and framed it as a typical USO visit….which it wasn’t.
Start fighting and stop buying into the hit job. The repugs are not going to give her any credit because it hurts McCain and Obama surely is not giving up an inch….she need to start getting out her own photo records and releasing some photos of that time….Don’t talk to me about what the polls say because we know the polls have been manipulated and is just another propagandize tool.
I do not believe Hillary numbers are that low…in fact they will go up the closer we get to PA primary but stop reacting and start fighting back.
coming up now on fox : is elton john breaking the law with fundraising concert for Hillary Clinton
The FEC guy already said he wasn’t.
dija…I thought Fox was the good guys now
hopefully its nothing, how can it be breaking the law when BO buys his wife things from Tiffany’s and pays his college-days parking tickets with campaign funds?
*sigh* i hate the media sometimes
Ok Artiste, deleted the imposter.
Something that’s been eating at me:
Since Wright had to cancel appearances in Florida and a couple of other places because of security concerns (and I’m assuming it was threats against JM) WTF would happen if Bo became the nominee or (gulp) the ….the….p…pr….pre….(I can’t write it?)
We can assume that the threats and attacks on JM wouldn’t stop and could likely extend to BO and how the heck would that affect the country? Think the code orange BS is bad – I believe we’d be on permanent lockdown. A terrifying notion, don’t you think?
Just a weird thought i can’t get outta my head.
MJ, I know!
I can’t wait to see what fox has going on this
@Jan
for some reason I cannot copy and paste at the moment, but above you asked if there will be an investigation that will destroy the Dem Party for all time in cred. The answer is it is currently happening.
The first part of the question…did they already have the goods on this guy…well…it stands to reason. He is a figurehead…but II believe, ased on some of the comments by Donna, it will be those “progressive” white men who will get their comeuppance in the end…
there rest of us just have to watch….and try to get Hill elected.
I don’t believe there were “threats” on JM i think the only “pressure” JM has is with BO and his chicago style politics
McCain and the Iraq:
youtube.com/watch?v=nB7qYrNvQhE
youtube.com/watch?v=vTLavHCC2Ac&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=hABUd_qEYTE&feature=related
Now Clinton had 12 years to recall a incident but McCain had less then a day to manipulate the scene.
There is more dirt on Dean and Dick Durbin in this thing than you know. If it all gets put together, it will scream conspiracy. This has been going on for YEARS.
thanks Hill…I will get there, but I have my hand full right now. I WILL LET YOU KNOW HERE and it will be worked out how in private.
Thanks
Nancy Pelosi’s email at her Speaker website is not accepting emails. I wonder why?
So I just made up a SF address and sent it to her Congressional site. You have to be living in her district to send email to the Congressional site. I was determined that NP was going to hear from me today!
carville on CNN now
djia Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I don’t believe there were “threats” on JM i think the only “pressure” JM has is with BO and his chicago style politics
Exactly. That such a transparent lie. Obama has him locked in the broom closet. End of story.
Basil…I doubt there were threats on Wright. Perhaps a few unsubstantiated but not REAL. What I do dudpect it Obama camp putting heat on Wright to STFU. HE CAME HERE to do three days. It was canceled. Then, he WENT to Texas, and SUDDENLY, that is canceled. I cannot imagine he would keep GOING to these places if there were threats made in advance. But I can see him keeping his schedule and getting Heat from BO Camp and other AA’s who want this to go away.
Also, as for those polls, note the “likeabliity” poll is also an NBC WSJ Poll.
ANYTHING with NBC needs to be suspect. Also, I think it odd the WSJ (conservative Big Business BBastion that it is) is rooting for Bambi. Perhaps the trolls might want to ask the same thing.
Mj:
Exactly and JM is in that closet with MO……..hmmmmmmm?? could they be ridin dirty?? ROTFLMAO!!
obama stopped the REVOTE .. per Carville. Carville is getting the truth out LOL
No problema, Artiste. I think I’ve rooted out all the evildoers.
basil9 Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pm,
A bunch of Obama’s camp were for the “sanctity of the popular vote” before they were against it. And Axelrod and Obama are on record as saying the Supers are supposed to exercise independent judgement. Brazile said that too in an email posted here at h44 iirc, but I haven’t found that or another cite.
Quotes and cites at http://www.ironmyvote.com/superdelegates-follow.htm
1950Dem….I have Donna’s original email and will be happy to take it to the Saint Pete Times and Tampa Trib for publication.
what’s coming down the pike??
NAFTA-gate probe to be made public
theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080327.wleaks27/BNStory/National/
Does anyone listen to Ed Schultz and Tammy Bruce? Who the hell are they?
Dot, Artiste,
You know me and my vivid imagination.
D@mn Dot. i missed Carville and he is the love of my life! Why dintcha email me? (I do get YOUR messages)
you cant e-mail PeGROSSi’s own congressional e-mail?
OMG IS THAT EVEN LEGAL??
Hillbilly,
So how DO I post over there?
mp Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
The best way to get rid of Pelosi is:
a) since she comes a safe SF district, she will get elected as a Rep:
What about doing what Obama’s camp did to John Lewis? File a primary challenger. That will give Pelosi something to take her mind off, and depending on how people in her district feel about Rev Wright, it might even get her in big trouble. Anyway it would make her listen, think twice!
Artiste: Ed schultz is a PUTZ!!
he’s on fox now spewing smears…..but has yet to name the names of the SD he says having said that BC said they were “off the list” for endorsing bambi
1950’s dem,
Great! You’ve got all the quotes at your site! ya know, I spend so much time here I don’t get over to the the other linked blogs that much but I’m gonna try and check more often.
Excellent!
Just go into a topic you want and either start a new thread or respond to one already open. You have to login first of course.
mp Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Look at the silence from Gore on voter disenfranchisement!
I like Gore but in this issue, he is less than a leader!
SILENCE IS NOT AN OPTION!
I expect what Gore thinks about FL/MI isn’t printable.
Gore still has it in the back of his mind that if the convention turns into a real fight someone will nominate him and he will rise again as the savior of the party and lead the dems to victory in November.
I have to reboot…brb
ElectionHQ: Hume: Shep: O’Reilly: H&C: Greta: O’Reilly:
195 282 303 544 459 382 265
CNN Blitzer: Blitzer: Dobbs: Brown: King: Cooper: Cooper:
126 195 277 175 269 263 245
MSNBC Hardball: Gregory: Hardball: Countdown: Abrams: Countdown
115 168 203 363 129 174
Hillary brought Greta in good ratings!
CorruptNewsNetwork is tanking …
MessiahNewsNetwork is tanking ….
Elton John Concert is really getting some in the MSM exicited. Like, wow Elton John is not an American so they can’t have this concert….yeah right!
well according to fox it may not be legal after all , due to a snafu
a foreigner can not donate to a campaign directly or indirectly and they say donating his time which is considered an “in kind” donation he would be breaking the law
but…..they also said it would make Hillary look like the victim again if Obama challenged it
but then megan kelly(hate her) said they should because letting her get away with this will set a precedence
but Clinton’s are going on a opinion from 1987 when they allowed it, but it was allowed by someone who was not really in position to have said that……hmmmmmmm
Obama won’t go down that road about the Elton John concert. Just how many fundrasiers has he had in Hollywood hosted by Canadians?
Arcade Fire (Canadian band) did a benefit show for Obama a couple weeks ago, and no one batted an eye. Talk about a double standard! (not to mention that Arcade Fire has a song containing the refrain, “I don’t want to live in America no more…”)
dot: poor olberman has the lowest ratings…..
LOL!!
carbynew Says:
March 27th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Elton John Concert is really getting some in the MSM exicited. Like, wow Elton John is not an American so they can’t have this concert….yeah right!
The FEC guy alreay said it’s fine.
well i thought the best part was they advertised the concert with date,time and place
as well as ticket cost $125 and a tidbit that tickets were going for $700 online (ebay?)
Look that’s why I’m laughing because it only when Hillary has a concert like this then the snakes come out…yep obama has had African, Carribeans Canadians, Brits and others do fundraisers from him and now they want to talk about Elton John doing a concert for Hillary Clinton.
This is funny, Obama has up on his website to email Joe Scarbourgh becuase he was obnixious.
On his Canadians for Obama page at the bottom.
my.barackobama.com/page/group/CanadiansforObama
No kidding, carby. It’s so pathetic.
rjk:
OMG……ohasnoshame is an whiney little A$$
rjk .. are you serious? On his official website??? Can he get any more childish?
email joe@msnbc.com and give him support message ..
Artiste,
Thanks for responding. It amazes me that the DNC blames Hillary for the bad press when all along they are the ones who have caused it.
rjk1957 wrote:
This is funny, Obama has up on his website to email Joe Scarbourgh becuase he was obnixious.
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Bwahaha! REAL presidential, Obama!
Michelle Obama’s Remarks on American ‘Ignorance’ Elicit More Questions About Race
Michelle Obama came under new criticism Thursday as opponents seized upon remarks the would-be first lady made in a speech in January, when she told a group of students that they need to take advantage of diversity on campus so they can stop feeling “justified in your own ignorance … That’s America.”
elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/27/michelle-obamas-remarks-on-american-ignorance-elicit-more-questions-about-race/
Did some random person post it there, or is it official? I don’t think that’s funny. I think it’s scary. Hill is smeared everyday. This guy has a couple of guys out there passing on the koolaid and he asks his drones to harrass them? That’s like a dictatorship.
rjk1957,
Are you kidding me? He actually has a “Canadians for Obama” section?
I cannot believe that even one of my countrymen/women would support that creep!
Artiste Says:<