Breaking News: In a failed attempt to revive his flagging spirits and droopy hopes with a retreat to the Virgin Islands, Barack Obama is also fighting a deadly case of Floriphobia and Michiphobia complicated with a virulent case of Wrightspepsia.
The onset of Floriphobia and Michiphobia as well as the Wrightspepsia was triggered by increasing public notice of “disconnects” between what Obama said before a certain “race” speech and what Obama said during the speech.
Extra incense is being burned round-the-clock in large bronze braziers by grieving acolytes in hopes of warding off an Obama collapse.
Early yesterday afternoon Obama’s Floriphobia was briefly immunized from the effects of a particularly vicious case of Wrightspepsia.
An anticipated appearance in a Tampa, Fla., church by Barack Obama’s former pastor and spiritual adviser — his first since his inflammatory sermons drew national scrutiny — has been canceled due to security concerns, according to the senior pastor at the church.
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. had been expected to speak at the Bible-Based Fellowship Church of Temple Terrace for three nights starting Tuesday evening. [snip]
Mason said the church was under no pressure from the Obama campaign to cancel the appearance.
However, the Wrightspepsia flared up stronger than ever later in the afternoon aggravating Obama’s Floriphobia as well as his Michiphobia.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama’s former pastor made.
“He would not have been my pastor,” Clinton said. “You don’t choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend.” [snip]
The Clinton campaign had refrained from getting involved in the Wright controversy, but Clinton herself, responding to a question this morning, denounced what she said was “hate speech.”
“You know, I spoke out against Don Imus (who was fired from his radio and television shows after making racially insensitive remarks), saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that,” Clinton said. “I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving.”
Doctors on the scene applied cold compresses to Obama’s forehead as he feverisly mumbled “No way I can win Florida or Michigan now.” and “No Florida or Michigan delegates would make a nomination illegitimate.” “Ohh, Ohh.”
More incense was ordered burned.
The feverish Obama had to be restrained and strapped to bed when he overheard an incense burner suggest that the Wrightspepsia might flare up as a topic of discussion in a debate scheduled a few days before the Pennsylvania elections. Doctors fear onset of Pennsyphobia to further complicate an already complicated prognosis.
Medical professionals at Big Pink, a compassionate website, recommended a temporary treatment (below) for Michiphobia to the Obama worship team. No known cure, other than a fair representation of Florida voters, for Floriphobia and the complications caused by Wrightspepsia are known.
The newspaper interview:
I still want to know about that Tiffany’s purchase. Something doesnt smell right.
what do you mean mj, his whole candidacy doesn’t smell right, actually? This man scares the dickens out of me, maybe cuz I am a “typical white person”!
They are killing Hillary on that Bosnia deal. I cannot believe the pundits have made such a big deal of it. Why can everybody else misspeak but Hillary can’t?
Obama has lied through his teeth about almost everything but no one harasses him. The assholes won’t let it go. I would like to slap Anderson Cooper in the mouth. How could one statement negate her experience. Everyone knows about 9/11, Ireland, Bosnia, Katrina, China, etc. That is on the record and there are witnesses. How can they carry on like this and insinuate that she has no experience.
I am so sick of these hateful men. I know it is because she is a woman and she rarely makes a mistake. But when she does, Oh My God, they are all over her.
I cannot wait until this election is over with. I am sick of looking at Obama. I can’t even keep my TV on when he is on. I can’t stand to look at him. He gives me the creeps.
Irish1139: I’m with you. I get the same reaction with Obama as I do with Bush. I can’t hear either of them speak and I immediately turn the channel when they come on.
I want this election to end and in some ways I would rather put up with 8 more months of Obama in order to see him lose to McCain and not have to see him again for the next 4-8 years. I’m sick of the media and the Obamabots ganging on Clinton. It’s unbearable to watch. I wonder how she does it. I really wouldn’t be surprised if she cries regularly in private. How can anyone deal with this sh*t on a daily basis for years and years? It’s unimaginable. I would’ve quit by now.
Obama is weak. He can’t even take this scrutiny without having to take a vacation in the Virgin Islands. Hillary rarely ever takes vacations. She’s constantly working day and night. She really is the one more qualified and capabale of answering that 3am phone call.
Anglachel has another great post up: http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com
I’m with you, Irish. I’m just ready for it to be over, but I’ll keep sending Hill money until it IS over. If, after all this, Obama is the nominee, the DNC gets nothing from me. I will check out and stay out. It wasn’t supposed to be like this.
AWESOME post! Love it, admin.
Another Michigan tune, from the Red Hot Chili Peppers:
youtube.com/watch?v=zFxvJDi1HB4
Listen up everybody,
The new polls that came out today in PA and NC are meaningless. She will win PA! By how much is the question! It will be by more than 10 points. We must run the numbers up so that Hillary gets a 20 to 30 point victory! Its very possible. GOTV is the key! A 4 to 500,000 point win would seriously damage Obama. NC would then lean Hillary’s way and Indiana would fall! If she can overtake him with the popular vote without Florida or Michigan, his candidacy will be seen as an affirmative action choice and illegitimate! Hillary will be the defacto nominee because she won more votes and have a claim in 2012.
If Obama steals the nomination, then we have to work to defeat him. Moveon.org and the Daily Kos cannot be allowed to take control of the Democratic Party!
That earlier email, from Bill Clinton:
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Dear Democrats,
You and I both want Hillary to win. So let me be frank about the challenge our campaign faces right now.
It couldn’t be any simpler than this: we cannot be competitive politically unless we are competitive financially — and right now we are at a financial disadvantage. The Obama campaign is already spending more than $1 million on an aggressive ad buy in Pennsylvania. For us to win, we have to:
* Fund critical voter contact efforts in Pennsylvania.
* Get our ads on the air in Pennsylvania’s six separate media markets to avoid being overwhelmed by a $1 million, four-day Obama campaign TV ad blitz.
* Produce a massive get-out-the-vote effort as April 22 approaches.
* Put more resources into our campaign in Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, Oregon, Puerto Rico, and West Virginia so that we can capitalize on our momentum coming out of Pennsylvania.
Despite the spirited support from Hillary’s best supporters, including you, we are still being outraised and outspent by the Obama campaign. He outspent us by more than $10 million in February alone. Let’s close the gap so Hillary can win in Pennsylvania, keep on winning, and be our next president.
Your contribution of $50 came right as we needed it, and I would not ask again if it were not so important. Will you renew your commitment to our victory today with a $75 gift?
Contribute today to help Hillary win.
Just like Hillary, you’ve worked hard to get us this far. We cannot let up our efforts now and let this race be decided by a shortfall of funds.
One thing I know for sure about Hillary — if we give her the support she needs, she will never let us down, not as a candidate and not as president. She’ll work just as hard for you in the White House as she is on the campaign trail.
Let’s match Hillary’s efforts with our own. Contribute to help us raise as much as we can by midnight tonight.
I appreciate everything you are doing for Hillary so much. Let’s keep working and winning.
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton
i will donate again but i wish they would keep the money bar up for a goal. as for obama skippin the country he is nuttin but a scary cat.
Hey guys I guess there is this can drive going on with young hill supporters, they are sending cans to the dnc for the message of “can” we get a revote for michigan and Florida, well it sounds good to me but the question is what kind of cans and I would think maybe empty ones at that. If you know anything about this respond with info please if not I will get the info and blog the bleep out of this site and others and ask you to do the same and start sending the dnc crap loads of cans! thanks!
Analyzing Obama’s Behavior from a Psychological Perspective
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I am a Dr. of Psychology and thought you guys might find this helpful. I believe since BO has been attending Wrights Church for 20 years he is both racist and does not think much of America. He has another agenda. There is a term in Psychology called: Reaction Formation. It is when one goes to the opposite of what he is really feeling or doing. For example giving a speech on racial issues while one attends a church that is clearly racist. This means that we can look at many of what he is doing and saying realizing that perhaps he feels just the opposite.
Here are some definitions:
Reaction Formation occurs when a person feels an urge to do or say something and then actually does or says something that is effectively the opposite of what they really want. It also appears as a defense against a feared social punishment. If I fear that I will be criticized for something, I very visibly act in a way that shows I am personally a long way from the feared position.
A common pattern in Reaction Formation is where the person uses ‘excessive behavior’, for example using exaggerated friendliness when the person is actually feeling unfriendly.
Example
A person who is angry with a colleague actually ends up being particularly courteous and friendly towards them.
A man who is gay has a number of conspicuous heterosexual affairs and openly criticizes gays.
A mother who has a child she does not want becomes very protective of the child.
An alcoholic extols the virtues of abstinence.
Discussion
A cause of Reaction Formation is when a person seeks to cover up something unacceptable by adopting an opposite stance. For example the gay person who has heterosexually promiscuous may be concealing their homosexual reality. This may be a conscious concealment but also may well occur at the subconscious level such that they do not realize the real cause of their behavior. Reaction Formation thus can turn homosexual tendencies (love men) to homophobic ones (hate men).
Freud called the exaggerated compensation that can appear in Reaction Formation ‘overboarding’ as the person is going overboard in one direction to distract from and cover up something unwanted in the other direction, such as a person who fears war becoming a pacifist, convincing themselves that war is wrong (rather than the ‘cowardly’ position that war is scary).
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#2 03-24-2008, 12:23 AM
the jewish repubs are calling obama out. and where is the adl etc?
thehill.com/campaign-2008/republican-jewish-group-wants-obama-adviser-removed-2008-03-25.html
maybe this will cheer y’all up a little
How Bad is it For Obama in Pennsylvania?
ust how bad is documented by some key findings from a series of polls, including the Franklin and Marshal College Poll, all released recently. Almost none of the results bode well for Obama. Across the board Clinton is winning and winning big. She has decisively stopped Obama’s earlier momentum in Pennsylvania–and seems set for a romp.
Statewide among Democrats, Clinton holds a lead that ranges from 16 to 26 points. The Real Clear Politics consensus estimate is roughly 16 points. She is winning every major region of the state except Philadelphia, while Obama has actually slipped slightly with blacks and more substantially with younger voters–two demographics that are critical backstops for him in the contest. He has also lost support with other key constituencies including white males and evangelicals.
Moreover Clinton is seen by voters as the overwhelming favorite to deal with the economy and healthcare, two of the three issues Pennsylvania voters care most about, and she is virtually tied with Obama as the candidate voters most support to end the war.
Clinton has established her lead by accomplishing three critical campaign objectives: successfully appealing to several important voter groups, maintaining support across most major regions of the state, and convincing most voters she will deliver on the critical issues.
Appeal among Key Groups of Likely Voters: Clinton leads among women (57% to 29%), whites (57% to 29%), ages 55 and older (55% to 29%), union member households (67% to 26%), and Born Again Christians (45% to 38%). She also leads among Catholics (26 points) and Protestants (23 points). Obama has the clear edge only among non-whites (76% to 12%). Obama and Clinton are tied or virtually tied (within sampling error) among younger, college-educated, and male voters. (Source: Franklin & Marshall College Poll)
realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/how_bad_is_it_for_obama_in_pen.html
God Bless Phil Singer
on a conference call he is quoted as saying
“When it comes to voting, Senator Obama has turned the audacity of hope into the audacity of nope,”
Here is a video from the 90’s talking about hillarys trip and the importance behind it. Please post this all over the place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pef5AUt-tic
Hillary talks about Gulf Coast with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. She answers a question about hurricane recovery from publisher Richard Mellon Scaife
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nO0qyJrvLc
Here is some good ammo from mydd if the discussion turn to the subject of misspeaking, courtesy of mydd
-Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama’s Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements
Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found mispeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama’s campaign is based on words -not a record of deeds – and if those words aren’t backed up by facts, there’s not much else left.
“Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won’t do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well,” Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.
Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, “Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama’s primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter.” In academia, there’s a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]
Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. “Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was ‘the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.’ ‘I just did that last year,’ he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.” [New York Times, 2/2/08]
Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. “Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: ‘I meant the whole civil rights movement.’” [New York Times, 3/5/07]
LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. “As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld’s asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir ‘Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.’ Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book.” [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]
Chicago Tribune: Obama’s assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing ’strains credulity.’ “…Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 — more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos.” [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]
Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists ‘won’t work in my White House.’ “White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday — a flat declaration that lobbyists ‘won’t work in my White House’ after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions… After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying — in contrast to his written pledge — at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech.” [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]
FactCheck.org: ‘Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama’s health plan.’ “Obama’s ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama’s plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn’t analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that “experts” say Obama’s plan is “the best.” “Experts” turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen – who, for all their talents, aren’t actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama’s plan “guarantees coverage for all Americans,” neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it’s only Clinton’s and Edwards’ plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama’s would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to.” [FactCheck.org, 1/3/08]
Sen. Obama said ‘I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,’ but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. “As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage.” The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that “The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. [...] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a ‘cloud’ over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year.” [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]
ABC News: ‘Obama…seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made’ on ethics reform. “ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday’s Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of “bundlers,” those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is “because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that.” Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama’s amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What’s more, although Obama’s amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a ‘law’ that the Illinois Democrat has ‘pushed through’ but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information.” [ABC News, 7/23/07]
Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. “When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from ‘Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser’ to `Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser’ to ‘Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll’ to ‘Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.’ Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it.” [politico.com, 5/9/07]
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Hillary get’s a new Endorsement
Farnese, Clinton backed by lesbian, gay Democrats
snip:
The Liberty City group also voted to endorse Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for president, and announced that it would co-sponsor a presidential forum at 7:45 p.m. tomorrow at Woody’s, a gay bar on 13th Street near Walnut Street.
philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20080326_Farnese__Clinton_backed_by_lesbian__gay_Democrats.html
Ask the ADL to condemn McPeak and Obama’s close ties to a church that is antisemitic-and even runs hamas op-eds!
texan4hillary
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Monday
Clinton Campaign on the State of the Race (1 hr. 4 min.)
Washington, DC: Howard Wolfson, Clinton Campaign Communications Director and Phil Singer, Clinton Campaign Deputy Communications Director hold a conference call to discuss the state of the presidential race.
Tuesday
Campaign Conference Call on the State of the Race (47 min.)
Washington, DC: Clinton for President Campaign Officials Harold Ickes, Senior Advisor and Phil Singer, Deputy Communications Director conducts a press conference call to discuss the state of the race.
Clinton camp tags Obama for ‘the audacity of nope’
h t t p: / / weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_camp_tags_obama_for_th.html
“It’s interesting that the Obama campaign often gets its back up when we say that their campaign is just words,’’ Singer said. “But I think few things illustrate this point better than what Sen. Obama is doing with regard to Florida and Michigan.’’
Obama is campaigning with ads in Pennsylvania that speak of his record as a young civil rights worker, Singer says, but “now he only wants to count some of the votes.’’
snip:
“We could have avoided the entire Bush presidency if we had counted votes in Florida,’’ Singer said. “The fact that Sen. Obama is endangering and jeopardizing Democratic prospects’’ in two states vital to winning in November is “unacceptable.’’
“The general election is going to be very, very close,’’ said Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to the Clinton campaign, calling Republican Sen. John McCain a “formidable’’ opponent.
“Florida, I think we have a real shot at winning this year, if Hillary is leading the ticket… Slapping these people in the face is not the way to engender support,’’ Ickes added. “We still have time to do a re-do election.””The Obama campaign is trying to convince everyone that this election is over,” Ickes said. “I hope they don’t get their hands on the federal budget, because they can’t count.”
w w w . larouchepub.com/pr/2008/080324politico_pinochet.html
The Pinochet Connection Is Running the Anti-Clinton Campaign
March 24, 2008 (EIRNS)—Politico, the Capitol Hill newspaper and website which is at the center of the effort to force Hillary Clinton to withdraw from the Democratic Presidential nomination, comes from the right-wing sponsors of former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. As reported in the Sunday briefing, Politico is run by Robert Allbritton, the son of Joseph L. Allbritton, who was forced into retirement when the fact of his Riggs Bank laundering millions of dollars for the fascist Pinochet and his family became a public scandal in 2004. While the elder Allbritton first took over Riggs in 1976, by 2001 he had turned over the bank’s daily operations to son Robert (who was ultimately forced to sell Riggs to PNC Bank).
Investigations showed that Riggs was not only laundering money for Pinochet, but also for the Saudi royal family, including former Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Prince Bandar bin Sultan, whose bribes from the BAE scandal passed through accounts at Riggs. Jonathan Bush, the uncle of President George W. Bush, was also a top official of Riggs, having come into the bank as the result of Riggs’ purchase of his company in 1997.
Also present when all of this occurred, was one of Robert Allbritton’s top lieutenants, Frederick J. Ryan, who was then a board member of Riggs, and is now the chairman and CEO of Politico. Politico reportedly gets almost all of its funding from Allbritton Communications, which is now run by Robert Allbritton.
Writing things out often clears things up for me. This issue of the Obama supporters has been on my mind for quite a period. Why are they so fanatical? So mean? Why have so many previous rational people been hoodwinked by this fake? It took a long time for me to come to some possible explanation for this weirdness. So I wrote. This initially was meant for my own personal use, and maybe to be used as a basis for an article in a Chinese newspaper (they are just as bewildered). Although it is a tad long, I felt it should also be shared here with my friends. It may not be perfect, but not much in life is. But it may provide some food for thought. I am always open to comments from those here on this site. I value your opinions. It follows below on a separate post.
The Rise (and Fall) of the Neo-libs
When and where did the neo-libs come from? One might say that the first sightings of what would eventually evolve into the neo-libs were the various state level Green Party organizations that sprung up in the early 1990s. These were Americanized copies of similar groupings in Europe, mainly white university liberal arts graduates from upper middle class families. The Greens were strongly anti-establishment and radical environmentalists. Their slogan was “think globally, act locally”, and were the ones to first coin the “global village” concept.
They never made it into the mainstream and peaked with the Green Party candidacy for President of Ralph Nader. It didn’t matter much. Although they themselves did not hit the big time, their ideas lived on. For soon, most of their political positions had been usurped by a new radicalized youth who began protesting against the global status quo at international gatherings. And unlike the more pacifist Greens, the protests grew more and more violent, culminating in the notorious Seattle riots. Lacking an organizational base, financial support and a cadre of capable leaders, these protests may have just faded into the haze of yesterday’s news headlines as just another of those leisure-time indulgences undertaken by the spoiled offspring of well-off families. But something else was simultaneously happening that would alter the landscape of political America. The very global system that the protesters were rebelling against was creating one of the biggest wealth transfers the world had ever witnessed.
Globalization resulted in vast amounts of wealth moving to the United States. This wealth though was not distributed evenly among the general population, but instead enriched a new group of younger, well educated, liberal minded, high tech savvy, entrepreneurs and highly paid professionals, now often described as middle-class millionaires. They made their fortunes using new asset classes of investment such as hedge funds, private equity and venture capital, most out of the reach of the average investor. This group of new rich left stood in stark contrast with old money that had long identified with the conservative faction of the Republican Party. The new class, who described themselves as progressives, was for the most part well-heeled political clones of the radical student protesters. Hence they were very internationalist in focus, taking extreme positions on the environment, human rights, global working conditions, and a collection of various causes such as Tibetan independence, organic farming, fair trade, and opposition to international organizations such as the World Bank and IMF. There was then a marriage of convenience between the two. Sharing similar goals as to what the world should look like, the new rich left differed from their radical student soul-mates in that they had money and lots of it to achieve their political goals. On the other hand their student ideological allies would be the ones that would supply the manpower. As the old saying goes, “if you’ve got the money honey, I’ve got the time.”
Its was this convergence of what was left of the Greens, the radicalized youth and the new rich left, that gave birth to what I am calling the neo-libs. This name was chosen deliberately to draw on the similarities between the neo-libs and the neo-cons who occupy the opposite end of the political spectrum. Both hold views that are not at this point part of mainstream American politics, both are by themselves small factions within the two major parties, both are more concerned about international than domestic affairs, both advocate interventionism, including the use of force if necessary, to obtain their political objectives, both pose a grave danger to world peace and security.
But major distinctions exist between the neo-libs and neo-cons. The neo-libs actively seek to dominate the newest and fastest growing form of information, the internet, through the use of coercion and e-violence. The student wing because their comfortable life styles and affluence allows them the time and finances, is employed to contain opposition to their movement. A variety of intimidation tactics ranging from the use of gross profanity on anti-neo-lib blog entries, posting crude and rude comments on sites running unfavorable news articles, conducting web searches on active opposition bloggers in order to find personal information that can be used on-line in ugly ways, and even death threats on the web against political opponents, are becoming commonplace. The majority of political blog sites are controlled by the neo-libs and most use strict censorship to screen out entries they consider unfriendly.
Political intimidation tactics are not confined to the internet. Polling organizations have close connections to the neo-libs and many poll results are obvious attempts to mislead the public to disguise real voter sentiment. During the Democratic caucuses, it was common place for neo-lib student radicals to intimidate voters into voting for their candidate Senator Obama. The censorship of anti-Obama stories in the media and their near worshiping of his holiness has been so obvious that a famous late-night comedy program started a series of skits poking fun if it. Such a wide range of political intimidation and information control has not been seen in western developed countries since the early days of the National Socialist movement in Germany. This kind of worshiping of a political leader by followers and media alike is also too reminiscent of the National Socialist Adolf Hitler to be comfortable. While the neo-cons were able to take advantage of the weak Bush conservative administration to give us such things as the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the neo-libs promise to give us much worse if they ever come to power. The neo-libs are no lovers of freedom.
Grounded in the transformed Green agenda, relying on an infantry of radicalized youth from upper middle class families, and powered by the big bucks of the new rich left, the neo-libs as a coherent movement made their initial foray into the political mainstream in 2004 by backing their first candidate, the former governor of Vermont Howard Dean, in the Democratic presidential primary. Although not a neo-lib himself but a member of the ageing-liberal wing of the Party, he nonetheless utilized neo-lib support on an anti-war platform to run as an “outsider,” distinguishing himself from the ageing-liberal Kerry and the moderate Edwards. They failed miserably; Dean did not win one contest. The neo-libs ended up reluctantly backing as second choice John Kerry, who like all previous liberal Democrats before him, went down to political defeat in the general election.
The neo-libs extracted as the price for backing Kerry ageing-liberal support in giving the leadership of the Democratic National Committee to Howard Dean. Next, the unpopular war in Iraq resulted in the crushing defeat of the Republicans in the congressional elections in 2006, encouraging the ageing- liberals to try one more time to get into the White House even if it meant doing so through the back door. The key to that door would be resurrecting the coalition with the neo-libs. This time it would be a neo-lib that would head the ticket, and for this they anointed the African-American junior Senator from Illinois, Barak Obama. Their strategy was clear from the outset. The ageing-liberals would not run anyone from their own ranks to oppose Obama in the primaries and would provide the necessary Democrat establishment backing the neo-libs lacked. For their part, the neo-libs would implement an improved version of the Dean 2004 campaign strategy. The new rich left would bankroll the operation, with the radicalized youth serving as foot soldiers for the campaign and running interference on the web and at the caucuses. They would enjoy the added bonus of the African-American vote going for a favorite son. The media, dominated by either ageing-liberals or younger neo-libs, would serve as the organs of Obama’s propaganda. Their goal: to prevent the moderates from re-taking control of the Democratic Party and defeat of the unpopular Republicans in the general election.
But globalization had not only created the new rich left, but also one of the widest gaps between the haves and haves not in American history. The pain resulting from the global economic restructuring was creating great difficulties for the middle classes. In a final act of desperation for one last chance at gaining the White House in alliance with the neo-libs, the ageing-liberals, once their champions, deserted the middle class. As for the neo-libs, they have little sympathy for the average working American. They, along with the old money Republicans, see no need for government programs that benefit the middle class. They already have it all. They can afford the best doctors, their children attend the finest schools, and they are going to retire in comfort. Hence they are more interested in Tibetan independence, human rights in Kosovo, and the Kyoto climate pact, than universal healthcare, better public schools or meaningful social security reform.
The so-called Regan democrats, who have been pushed out of the Republican Party by the costly foreign adventures of the neo-cons and the rigid moral positions of the religious right, found themselves stranded in a political no-mans’ land. That was until the moderate faction of the Democratic Party launched a challenge on their behalf in the candidacy of New York Senator Hillary Clinton. Their strategy was just as ingenious as the neo-libs. Clinton as the candidate of the moderates would represent not only the former Regan Democrats now re-termed Lunch Bucket Democrats, but also Latinos, Asian Americans, Jewish Americans and carry the additional punch of being the first serious female contender for the White House in American history. The moderates under Clinton have still many allies within the Party, those who refuse to surrender it to the neo-lib bullies.
It is odd that the African-American voters can not see the obvious fact that they are being used. The neo-libs will have no use for them if they ever come to power. They should realize what more and more middle class Americans already have. The new rich left will continue to use international capital to enrich themselves at the expense of the common folks. The current economic mess that began with the sub-prime meltdown was created by them as they attempted to maximize the return on their investments by upping the risk factors. And with their wealth they will seek to use the government to remold global economic and political conditions to their liking, much like neo-cons on the right. It is just that the agenda will change slightly. They will send the country’s youth of all colors to liberate Tibet, to free some far-off country like Burma or Sudan from their oppressors, force the price of goods up for the average consumers via international environmental taxes, fair trade quotas and product boycotts, and increase international tension. After waiting patiently eight years for the nightmare of the Bush administration to end, the world might have to endure eight more years of worse mistakes, this time from a new tyranny of the left and not the right. And it could be worse than before. The neo-libs have already shown brown-shirt like tendencies in a willingness to use the radicalized youth as a force to achieve their goals. They feel so strongly that they are right that any means will justify the ends. Many in the political and working classes have already fallen prey to the sweet sounds of the neo-lib propaganda, that a world built on their principals will be one of peace and prosperity. What they don’t tell you is that the peace and prosperity will be built on the backs of the working people and that the benefits will go disproportionately to themselves for they already control the purse strings of international capital.
As for this election, the neo-libs would rather win the nomination and lose the general election than lose the nomination. If they secure the nomination, they remain in control of the Party until the next round. This will allow them to bring in more of their own people and dominate the agenda for years to come. After all, it has already been eight years since moderates under Bill Clinton held the reigns of power in the Party. Many of his people will be leaving political life in the next few years as they retire. The neo-libs and ageing-liberals want to replace as many of them as possible with their own. If Senator Clinton and the moderates win, this will keep the neo-libs out and ensure that the Party is one that occupies the political center.
The neo-lib alliance does indeed want to win the general election too if they can, even though that seems remote at this point given the new problems of their candidate. Then they could exercise complete mastery of the Party. With both houses of congress at their disposal, especially the House under the ageing-liberal ally Pelosi, they can re-make the world according to their own image without restraints. But since the White House is looking increasing difficult to take for Obama, the last thing they want is to lose the nomination to Clinton, because then they lose everything. If she does win the nomination, the moderates will control the Party no matter which party is victorious in November. This is why the neo-lib duet of Obama and Dean, and the ageing-liberals leadership under Kennedy, Kerry, and Pelosi, are so desperate to win the primary election at all costs, even if it means losing the general election. It is the nomination that counts most for now and for the future direction of the Party. It is better to have half the pie than none.
As Senator Clinton often correctly points out, America has never faced such challenges as it does at the present. The stakes have never been higher. The Republican leadership for too long believed that the biggest challenge to their ideals came from Senator Clinton. They are now belatedly realizing that a much more serious threat, this time to the vital interests of the United States, is coming from the neo-libs. Better late than never. At the same time, many have decided that the Democratic Party is worth fighting for. And the great masses of the American middle class are finally awaking to the fact that the only way to avoid a mistake of catastrophic proportion for both the world and their own economic interest, lies is the election of Democrat Senator Clinton as President.
This was a great endorsement that I didn’t want people to miss:
Liberty City Democratic Club Endorses Hillary Clinton
Philadelphia, PA – The Liberty City Democratic Club, a key LGBT political group in Pennsylvania, overwhelmingly endorsed Hillary Clinton for President with two-thirds of the members voting for her.
This club’s endorsement further demonstrates Hillary Clinton’s strong support in the LGBT community. The Liberty City endorsement follows a f endorsements from grassroots LGBT groups like the Steel City Democrats, the Houston Stonewall Democrats, Dallas Stonewall Democrats, and 27 of the 39 members of Board the National Stonewall Democrats.
“We are proud to endorse Senator Hillary Clinton in this important primary cycle,” said Matthew Woodcock, Endorsement Chair of the Liberty City Democratic Club. “Her record of accomplishment is proof positive that she’ll be a fighter for the LGBT community in the White House and that’s what we need. We need her experience working for us.”
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6753
Irish1139 – I think they are just preaching to the choir at this point. Very few people follow the ins and outs of elections except for political junkies like us. And all of us our already firmly in one camp or another. Most in America know that Hillary is not treated fairly in the press.
Good morning…I’m sick as a dog.
Idunn, please don’t let a little thing like being sick or dying or whatever stop you from posting. You keep the wheels greased here.
Just a few thoughts to share this morning (and they are not well thought out, so bear with me):
I became a registered democrat when I was in college. My leaning then was liberal democrat. Probably sometime in my early 30’s, I began to move more to the center…and several years ago, I began to define myself as a moderate democrat. Our thgouths and views on life, of course, change as we get older, and my own personal political philosophies certainly have reflected that. I voted for Al Gore in 2000…BECAUSE I was fairly aligned with Al on most issues. I watched the Democratic party screw that win up. To be honest, I think even at that point, I had stopped voting by party affliation, but stuck by all because I agreed with the man. In 2004, I rejected the democratic nominee, John Kerry. I won’t go into ALL the reasons why…suffice it to say, I didn’t feel in good conscience that I could vote for him.
2 years ago, we moved to Tennessee. My husband and I both went to register to vote, and I was dismayed to discover that, in Tennessee , you do not register by party. Technically, we are all Independents. I was truly bothered by that, because I had been faithful to the “ideals” of the democratic party my entire adult life. I expressed my thoughts to my husband, who said simply, “Why do you feel you’ve betrayed a political party that hasn’t represented you for several years now?”. I had to take a long hard look at that and admit the truth of it. There IS now place for moderate democrats in the democratic party anymore…we have been pushed out, if indeed, we were ever “in” to begin with. Despite all this, I continued to give financial support to the DNC. UNTIL I watched the DNC disenfranchise Florida and Michigan voters. That was the end for me. I now PROUDLY call myself an Independent.
Here’s the real crux of my thoughts this morning, though. I have discussed my feelings about my party affiliation with MANY of my republican friends. To my surprise, many of them have come to the same conclusions wrt the republican party. Most of them happen to be moderate republicans, not conservative republicans. They feel they too have been pushed out of their party.
I don’t know what the hell it would actually take for people like us, who feel pushed out of our parties by the extreme left or extreme right, to form a VIABLE 3rd party. But the INSTANT someone can figure that out, I’m on board.
I just wonder if there are other “loyal democrats” here, who feel the same way I do.
Sorry for all the typos…I’m sick and I don’t need any other excuse.
(hi Sherm)
My political views are centrist or moderate. I spent many years in the SF Bay Area where fighting the powerful liberal wing of the party was a constant battle. The state party was far more liberal than the registered Democrats in the state.
Candidates often complained they could not run on the extremely liberal state party platform, and they were constantly attacked by their GOP opponents for things written there. They found it uncomfortable running against their own party platform. I thought the fight for a more moderate approach was worthwhile. However, I was a low level activist at the state and local level without enough influence to do a lot. We all just do our part.
I loved JFK and RFK, but I can’t stand Teddy. When he endorsed BHO I read somewhere Hillary told BHO how relieved she was Teddy endorsed him. I loved it even if I couldn’t find confirmation of that.
Now I live in Louisiana where in spite of having good people like Carville and Pulchritude, I find very little party activity to join. I’m thankful for the Internet, and especially for this forum.
I’m afraid there isn’t much chance for a third party in this country. So far the only ones that make real noise are the extremists. I will just continue to be a part of the centrist section of the Democratic Party.
However, like so many others here, I refuse to vote for Obama. I truly am afraid of letting him get the power to destroy this country. We like to think he would be prevented from doing that because of the balance of power, but Bush has shown how much a President can get around that. I’ve never voted for a Republican, but the repugnance I feel for BHO is strong enough to force me to take that step. I cannot remain passive to that threat.
OTOH, I’m still convinced Hillary has a chance to win the nomination. I watch hopefully at what B. Merryfield and others are doing here. I fume over the behavior of the MSM, but I hope the American people still have an independent streak. We simply cannot let the media choose our presidents.
Great thoughts, Sherm. Thanks for sharing them.
I’m hopeful that HRC can pull this off too (and I’ll continue to work my ass off to help her), but I’m also a realist, so I’m trying to figure out what I will do in the GE if she doesn’t get the nomination. The only thing I’m sure of, at this moment, is that I will NEVER vote for Obama. People are free to call me paranoid, but I honestly feel like putting this man in the WH is tantamount to hammer the last nail into America’s coffin.
hammer= hammering
HILLARY WILL BE ON GRETA SHOW ON FOX TONIGHT AT 10pm
lets give greta the biggest rating on tv tonight
Yup Idunn, i agree, putting Obama anywhere near the WH is akin to putting our necks in a meat slicer.
This guy’s record absolutely reeks of destruction from the inside out, it is like handing over the keys of a blood bank to vampires.
If his association of friends are anything to go by, i’d be very afraid of Obama and so should you be.
Idunn
I feel the same way. In college I was a liberal dem..now I am more conservative dem..when my 18 yr old registered in Jan she wanted to know which party…i told her dem but later i thought about it. she is moreindependent..she does not like BHO, likes HRC and JonnyMac..i can see she won’t be dem long and thats ok. I find I am more willing to vote mod repub these last few years…I know that in my family there are two votes for BHO, MY FATHER(WHO CAN’T GET BEYOND THE BLACK THING) and my bro in law( he is still not registered) i have had enough of the dems…
someone posted this at TM,
Hillary’s Bosnian Fib Play
By Craig Crawford | March 26, 2008 6:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (13)
Given the endless parsing of Clintonian motives, it would seem fitting to suspect that the great Bosnian fib was not so accidental. It is possible that Hillary Rodham Clinton benefited from her “mistake,” as she called her recent assertion of once landing in Bosnia under sniper fire.
Although seemingly embarrassing for her, this episode did serve to provoke repeated airings of video showing Clinton on her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago looking more like a Commander in Chief than like a First Lady. While hardly arriving under a hail of bullets, as she has repeatedly claimed, the video clips do show Clinton in a much grittier setting than anything that might be expected for a purely ceremonial visit.
Not saying this flap was clearly purposeful. Just saying that the visuals are not entirely bad for Clinton. And this could be one of those stories where the pictures register with voters more than the controversy itself.
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they keep saying hrc will do anything to win..but look at him he has no record to run on..there is nothing there..he has no business running at all..he can’t seem to shake her off thats because her support is intense but i wonder how much of her support will vote for him in the GE. Many say they won’t but when it comes down to it, most probably will..look at the GE matchups…he seems to do ok which means he is getting her supporters..well..not my vote
no Hobama for me. The guys not been vetted, he’s wet behind the ears and his associations with crooks and liars…well, that does enough for me. He’s a uniter like I’m a rocket scientist.
meiyingsu, i was thinking that just the other day, the video does show a lot more than just handing out flowers, i guess the public is wondering, funy we aint seen Obama doing this.
The contrast i heard from some people yesterday was, on the news over easter they had Hillary videos from Bosnia and Obama walking the beach in the Virgin Islands, I asked some people which ones looked better, all 10 said Hillary’s looked like she was hard at work, Obama’s like he was laying around doing nothing.
So there may be a silver lining here.
anbritt, BHO has nothing to run on but destroy Hillary to win.
anbritt .. the pollsters this time have big agendas too. Don’t believe for one minute that Hillary support will just drop over to him. Won’t happen.
Turn that around .. Hillary is beating him in the GE matchup against McCain .. so what does that mean?
The polls are targeting a “certain” group of people right now, it’s amazingly easy to do. They are not random and I will wait on the voters out of PA to get a better gauge on what is happening.
oh and by the way, i have a lot of people comment about Obama skipping Church over Easter, they didnt seem to like that fact.
1 : They sort of thought he was avoiding stuff.
2 : Many think his church going is playacting, if that gets traction in the public, he’s screwed.
Yes Dot, i am quite sure certain pollsters are skewing polls deliberately to make bambi look good.
Novak, who hates Hillary with a passion basically said yesterday, he’s seen all the internal polls of PA and Hillary is way way ahead and rising by the day.
I listened to media last night try to say that Hillary was only commenting on Wright at this late date because she wanted to move on from her Bosnian slip up…
Once again certain members of the media have been drinking the coolaid. How on earth is it conceivable that her small mistake could ever even be on the same scale as Obama and the Wright scandal?
Morning all,
Fell better, Idunn.
FWIW, testing the media waters and Scarface amazingly fair to HRC, even going so far as to confess he’s “in love” with her, just a little, because she is so darn tough! And he wasn’t being sarcastic! Mika was shocked.
Scarface also saying that he doesn’t think BO can recover from the race stuff, that he has turned off white male blue collar voters and he won’t get them back.
even Mika said it’s strange that BO was the one brought race up!
Maybe this is gonna be a good media day, or at least a non-damaging one? Now playing a clip of HRC’s economic plan and Scarface REITERATING how tough she is! But then he stupidly says we should put the best and the brightest together. HRC in charge of finances and Cheney for the military.
And this is NOT the time for her to get out of the race!
dot 48
i a m with you on this…someone said any reflection in drop of support for him will not show until after he wins the nomination well i don’t to find out…i want her. really all anyone talks about is still wright….i don’t hear too much talk about bosnia except that it was a while age and as someone said..she did go there
As a person of the Jewish faith, I have a hard time believing that any Jewish people would support Obama’s campaign. It would be one thing if his connections to terrorists, pro-palestinian/anti-Israeli existence, and persons of anti-semetic beliefs were few and insignificant. This isn’t the case.
The idea that Steven Spielberg, someone who has fought long and hard to preserve Jewish history and rights is a contributer just doesn’t make sense to me. I am hoping that he along with others demand their money back and walk away.
nope, Bosnia gaff isn’t going to damage her. It was a war zone .. one other reporter who was on the trip talked about the corkscrew landing .. the artice in 1996 by AP reiterated the same thing.
I sent the article to Gregory yesterday and I wondered if he touched on it.
I really believe that the mail is being censored to the hosts as well….how easy for the latte liberal punks to simply delete any mail that asks for clarification on Hillary.
Should have said Scarface siad HRC should NOT get out of the race.
And dizzy Dana Mill;bank flip-flopped and totally agreed, saying ‘who are we to say she should get out of the race. She is still a viable candidate.”
Dot,
Where should I send the impeach Brillo-head letter besides the DNC?
Another thing we need to start hitting the msm with is, you are always hitting HRC over her records, Where are Obama’s state senate records, they are completely missing and no one is challenging him on it.
Certain sites are starting to ask questions.
I think Mika days are numbered. She has been trying to be the host of that show and I can see real strain in the duo….Joe will throw her overboard if he’s smart. Her dissy attitude, the sighs, the eyerolls that I’ve seen her do not represent a good host.
Any debates verrified? I read one article that Hillary may not debate anymore, probably because the panel skewers the questions to Obama
basil .. I wonder if it might not be a good idea to start sending Brazille’s comments to the superdelegates .. her bias on National Tv is not good for the party. The race isn’t over, Hillary still has a strong base of support and Brazil’s continued presence to slam Hillary is making the base mad.
What do you think.
I never did get any emails from you..can you elaborate on what you thought before that you were going to email me. I really want to know.
Idunn, I think that the conservative/moderate divide only really applies to the extremists in either party. I am VERY Liberal in most of my views, and probably disagre a lot on lure ideology with many of even my moderate Repub friends.
BUT I truly believe that MOST voters are made up of the vast middle, who are not “conservative Democrats” or “moderate Republicans”, but what I call “the PRACTICAL wing” of both parties. I.e., we realize that we are not going to agree on everything, but are more than able and willing to debate, and compromise, and move forward to get things done for the country with imperfect but workable solutions. Our approach is similar to our approach to relationships in our daily lives – one does not have to agree on everything, or stubbornly insist on your neighbor or coworker TOTALLY swallowing one’s own view, in order to get along and get stuff accomplished.
Both parties have a vested interest in magnifying every right/left disagreement to the point of the ludicrous, and keeping us at each others throats. It makes for more power for THEM. If the vast practical, common-sense middle of America (who are a majority) ever realized this, and rebelled, both the Neo-cons and the Neo-libs would lose their power.
meiyingsu, moonpluto, dot,
i was thinking the same thing about the Bosnia footage. First of all, she looks amazing int the clip; strong, competent, gorgeous and it’s quite a contrast that she, while approximately the same age BO is today, was traveling the world on US business and where is BO? Vacationing in the Virgin Islands. Frankly, i don’t understand WHY he went there – i don’t remember any other candidates vacationing in such ritzy spots and showing footage of it on TV. it smacks of hedonism, self-indulgence, an aversion to real work.
Hillary must have Dick Morris worried now, he is getting really desperate.
March 26, 2008
Hillary’s List of Lies
By Dick Morris
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/hillarys_list_of_lies.html
Of course nothing tops the Obama my parents met and I was conceived at the Selma March when in fact he was born several years before the march.
What they should do is Open Town hall debate, no podium where the questions are from the public and no journalists intervening, only a moderator.
Then we’d see exactly Obama is all about.
dot, I’m gonna try again with the email in a few minutes. I’m gonna cut and paste a few excerpts and send a fresh from-scratch message. Will get to it in a few minutes.
Maybe I was pasting too much info.
I really believe that the mail is being censored to the hosts as well….how easy for the latte liberal punks to simply delete any mail that asks for clarification on Hillary
Here’s what I said yesterday;
For those who wonder WHY HRC’s surrogates aren’t more visible and WHY she doesn’t get equal coverage, here’s my take.
Aside from theTweeties, the Ogremans, the Shitzers, the Round-the World’s, who are beyond our grasp at this point, who do you think screens their emails, books their guests, schedules the shows, decides on video content? Most people in those support position jobs are youngish latte liberal types and I have no doubt they censor, edit and skew network correspondence toward the messiah. Don’t you think it’s strange that Lou Dobbs, a show that’s hardly popular with the liberals, has run two polls in a row that were hands-down HRC winners and yet the results favored BO? I think they’ve even infiltrated Lou coz he looked pretty shocked tonight and yesterday when the results were tallied.
The tech savvy media workers of today know their way around a computer program and just as some on Forum have speculated that BO’s campaign has robo-callers, robo-emailing, those same techniques are used in BM offices. (IMHO)
dot,
just did a test at the wva addy.
what’s the other one?
paddy4Hill Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 5:04 am
The Rise (and Fall) of the Neo-libs
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Thanks for your writeup. I also am curious at how he tapped into the youth network — green party is one (I think someone on this board had put up a post about their caucus, talking about the young woman who was precinct captain and how she would go back to her party after this election — not a new young voter for the dems as they think she might be) and the other is something I have speculated. Don’t have any research to back it up. Samantha Power talked about her work on Darfur in one of the interviews (you can find it on YouTube) and she was talking about how they tapped into youth energy on college campuses to bring attention to that atrocity. Obama tapped into Power in ‘04.
Here is a list of the names of pledges delegates from 9 states so far. Since pledged does not really mean they have to vote the way apportioned they can change their minds. The trick is trying to figure out who they are. Scroll down to see the names and congressional district they are from.
http://www.goobergunch.net/45demconroll.html
this is from TM comment,
Wanna know who said it first? Obama!
From ABC:
December 28, 2007 7:49 AM
“ABC News’ Sunlen Miller reports: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told a crowd in Vinton, Iowa Thursday that he’s not going to pull a Tonya Harding on his rival candidates.
“Folks said there’s no way Obama has a chance unless he goes and kneecaps the person ahead of us, does a Tonya Harding,” Obama joked, referring to the female skating champion who conspired to harm a competitor during the 1994 U.S. Figure Skating Championships.
“We decided that’s not the kind of campaign we wanted to run,” he said.
Obama said his campaign has been trying to point out differences with the other candidates without going negative.
However the Clinton campaign has accused their Democratic rivals of negative attacks throughout the campaign.
The final judge will be Iowa caucus voters in just one week. “
Obama even plagiarizes himself.
rjk,
WOW! What a great list! Too bad emails aren’t included but maybe if people here contact some of these delegates we can somehow get a running list of addy’s
How could we do that?
meiyingsu,
ROTFLMAO!
So the BO campaign is recirculating past snipes. We gotta send that to tapper. bet he’d be real interested in that.
It will take work first seeing where the districts are and checking information to find the right person. I am sure that there are several people in the same districts with the same name. Board of elections would have all that information and I am sure they will not just give it out. Maybe people here from those states can do some leg work.
pm, maybe the more radicalized youth were waiting to tap into somebody and he was it and not the other way around, or perhaps both were in need of a pick up. In any case, certainly a step up for these younger neo-libs. Obama did a better job than Dean in the primaries, but both will be poop-outs in the end. Neither could put together a winning coalition that could mobilize the majority. Hillary already did.
Good morning Hillfans. First of all a word to the wise — don’t link, quote or refer to Larouche. The mere mention of his name or linking to his website is discrediting. Read up in the Wikipedia on him to see.
First RW article of the day is on McPeak.
rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-degree-of-separation-klein-top.html
I’ve written about it in some diaries and I’ll repeat it here — there is no way I will vote for Barack Obama, as many of you have said.
The final straw for me was when it became clear that BHO was willing to disenfranchise FLA and MI for his own ambitions, dooming Dems in November. That was it, he lost my vote.
But as I do more research, I am coming to the conclusion Idunn has: Barack as President would be a disaster.
Does that mean I would vote for McCain? I don’t know, I’ve never voted for a GOP candidate in my life.
Maybe I vote for Nader instead. I’m not sure yet.
The more I read about the cesspool of Chicago politics and the problematic church-political ties that
seem to exist in some of the Midwestern urban areas
(e.g., 60 ministers or so have come out in support of
Kwame Kilpatrick, who is 100% guilty based on the text messages I’ve read), the less I like or believe Barack. Even worse are the Odinga ties. And Wright. And the shady stock deals. And Michelle. And he’s vacationing like he’s the second Dubya.
There are so many threads that haven’t even been tied together yet that are really damaging, and I think
that things are going to get worse in terms of the connections Obama has had, and those connections’ connections.
Simply put, I don’t trust this guy. He seems long on mouth and arrogance, short on getting his hands dirty and being sincere and truthful.
People can say whatever they want about Hillary, or even McCain, but at least you know what you’re getting.
With BHO, I don’t know what I’m getting, and I’m not the least bit eager to find out. Because the hints are not good at all.
dot,
My email got bounced back.
here’s the addy i used.
wvagal @ yahoo . com. Is that right? it is not going through.
basil … wvgal571@yahoo.com
don’t add “a” after wv … add 571 after gal
wv gal 571 @ yahoo.com (move all letters together) whew, my addy.
Good morning gang!
This si why i almost never drink cocktails! I came home last night from my client’s place….he had plied me with a few Bloody Mary’s….and I was reading all the stuff on Hillary and the Bosnia garbage…and promptly donated $100.44 to the campaign! LOL
I had donated $25.44 that morning…which I could hardly afford! LOL
Oh well…maybe I’ll get t go meet Hillary and see Elton in NY!
I never in a MILLION years thought I would vote for McCain if HRC didn’t get the nomination. Now…I just don’t know. I seriously doubt that, when push come to shove, I’ll actually be able to cast a ballot for McCain. I WOULD be content with casting a write-in vote for HRC, EXCEPT that I’m starting to feel it’s incerdibly important to do whatever I can to stop BO.
I dunno. All I can do right now is keep working my ass of for HRC, and cross the GE bridge when I come to it.
DOT,
I tried twice, once through my outlook express and once linking to your addy as shown here.
Got my fingers crossed.
B Merry…i LOVE the new Cluster Map tracker on RW! It just seeths of worry…(smile)
I can see the Rezko-worriers and the press folks around the world sweating every time they log on!
Makes me smile!
Great stuff on BHO’s possible psychological issues, BHO’s lies and neo-libs. Thanks to the posters of those!
The morning AA anchor on CNN is driving me nuts. Does CNN have ANY AA on-air people who are NOT Donna Brazile-level in the tank for BHO?
At least FOX will have some AA guests on who haven’t been “John Lewis” arm twisted into total shills for BHO.
I think it’s insulting, actually. It’s almost like a contest of which AA host/guest can be MOST effusive in their BHO praise.
“No, I’m a bigger BHO backer.”
“Nope. I’m his #1 fan.”
“No, it’s ME!”
I think it’s a very narrow and stereotyped approach to
take, especially for a would-be progressive network like CNN.
Thank God for Dobbs. At least he had Shelby Steele on and got some balance and diversity of AA opinion.
Also, did anyone catch the meltdown Andy Cooper and one of his guests had as Lanny Davis SCHOOLED them last night? He took their weak questions about Bosnia and brought it back to Wright, etc. and I mean
Cooper was just so frustrated and his producers were in his ear and the other guest was just flummoxed. It
was spectacular. Lanny just destroyed them.
Hope all are having a great morning.
For those who have not read Paddy4Hill’s “written thoughts” near the top of this thread, it is a must. She has put into a cohesive form all that I believe we all have been thinking and have not expressed in such a concise form. Well done Paddy…I have sent it on to one of the most prevalent and published bloggers and writers I know.
BO is a frightening figurehead for an even more dangerous group.
Tony Harris is the morning CNN AA anchor. There’s another AA guy who follows him, I believe (I think his name is Don something), but he’s nowhere near as annoying in his Hillary-bashing as Harris is. It’s a bunch of BS.
Idunn — good point. Maybe I’ll write in HRC’s name. I don’t know right now.
Gallup just came out with a poll that 28% of HRC backers will support McCain if HRC doesn’t get the nomination. Obama could get less than 40% in the general, or right around that number.
Last person at that number? Mondale, who was around 41% I believe (pop vote).
Artiste .. new map because those sneaky Google people hooked up with ClustrMaps and added ads when you opened up the map for details.
Guess what? Because it is RezkoWatch, with an emphasis on BO, the whole doggone page was filled with HUGE ads for …. ta da ! you guessed it … BO !!!
I sent them an email and told them why I had dropped their map and found this one. I like it better, actually. It not only shows where people have come from but who’s online when you are!
They have ads, too, but not selected by meta tags.
If y’all are not sure of my new dress, I am the “spacey” artist type we have seen here. The name was messing up my Google searches from my clients.
Hope you like the new dress.
Morning Gang! I know some of you were worried about that PPP NC poll. I found this from a commenter on TM:
The North Carolina poll, explained:
UPDATE: It turns out that PPP changed the structure of its sample over the past week to include people who voted in the 2006 general election (last week’s only counted 2004 and 2006 primary voters). PPP’s Tom Jensen attributes “some” of Obama’s jump to that decision.
There you have it: PPP changed its methodology. PPP does not have a good track record under the best of circumstances and this does nothing to help in that regard.
Grey | 03.25.2008 – 10:46 pm | #
While I still believe Hillary can become our nominee, and certainly deserves to be, I have thought about how I would decide to vote in the GE if Obama bin Lyin was somehow awarded the nomination.
I would go by the polls in the GE. If it looked like McCain was the clear winner, then I would either not vote at all or vote for Nader (just to take another vote away from BHO). If it looked close, or if BHO was leading, I would definitely vote for McCain.
Things change in politics, but at this time it looks like a workable plan for me.
# paddy4Hill Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 9:02 am
pm, maybe the more radicalized youth were waiting to tap into somebody and he was it and not the other way around, or perhaps both were in need of a pick up. In any case, certainly a step up for these younger neo-libs. Obama did a better job than Dean in the primaries, but both will be poop-outs in the end. Neither could put together a winning coalition that could mobilize the majority. Hillary already did.
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Yep, he is a fringe candidate propped up by a fringe support, the media and the DNC (because he can give a speech). People talk about what a brilliant campaign he has run — well, he has tons of money, media, establishment and speech writers (and teleprompters). Outside of the speeches, his occasional press conferences are near to a disaster, his debating skills are not all that good, he can’t talk policy, and lately his verbal gaffes to explain his previous gaffes had the campaign flying him to Virgin Islands.
Thanks B Merry. What a crock. That is why when I search for Hillary Stories, all I get is BO. Makes me sick. He is worse than any brand name ever. And his ads are just as annoying.
Guys, don’t let the media mess with your head. I remembered last night how they were all so sure Bill would be removed from office or forced to resign. It didn’t happen.
Artiste — Nice dress
Nikki — I never believed that new poll at all. Now things make more sense.
thanks Artiste.
I like your new name. Cute!
DON’T FORGET HILLARY WILL BE ON GRETA SHOW ON FOX TONIGHT..10PM .BE SURE TO GIVE GRETA THE RATINGS TONIGHT
ok Folks,
I give up.
i have spent the past hour trying to contact Jack Tapper at ABC about the origins of the Tony Harding reference and trying to email Dot!!!!!
D@mn I HATE using up all this time for nothing!
Gonna log off and try again later.
I don’t watch the MSM at all, but just now read the transcript of Anderson Cooper last night because someone above recommended it.
Cooper’s bias for BO is so transparent — and he makes no effort to hide his animus toward Hillary (Lanny Davis had to challenge him for saying “the Clintons” all the time). He should have to declare himself as an in-kind contribution to the BO campaign.
Universal,
I agree. Don lemon is annoying but Tony Harris is obnoxious.
I’ve written the networks and complained about the pro-BIO bias, not that it helped.
Good for Lanny! That is the worst. It’s meant to diminish Hillary’s merit as a candidate when they refer to her as “the Clintons”.
On another note, I am a retro-liberal, FDR type. That’s why I support Hill.
Thanks Universal.
Idunn, I am sorry you feel so bad today.
AS for Tony Harris, I couldn’t stand him BEFORE the elections started. He is an unprofessional cartoon, and reminds me more of Al Jolson than anyone else.
And regarding CNN and all the other “news” outlets that have suddenly had a plethora of AA commentators.
I was speaking with my AA lawyer neighbor abbout this the other day and she thought it a good thing. While I agree with THAT, as the white loony folks cannot speak TO the AA situation with cred, I told her that I believed it to be rather a matter of political expediency, as if they had ANY intent of expanding their REAL talking head stables, this would have happened BEFORE BO. It is getting on board the Soul Train after the music started up…IMO, and VERY transparent. In addition, the fact that SO MANY AA’s on television now are for BO is not shocking, as I believe it is part off the PRIDE thing, but to make it look like NO (or almost no) AA’s are NOT for BO is also disingenuous.
plural
You have to excuse Cooper, he grew up a poor little rich kid and feels guilty about it. His mother is Gloria Vanderbilt
It must be hard for a guy like Obama to choose a warm place to vacation this year. He can’t go to Florida like most folks, might get tar and feathered. Not very likely he would show up in sunny Mexico. Too many of their relatives live in Texas and California. Better to go to the Virgin Islands. His kind of voters!
Thanks Paddy, and GGREAT POST earlier on the neo-lib. I will be borrowing that! (and have already) but gave you credit…as best I could! LOL
Sorry for the typo Artiste. I meant dress. gosh darn keypad.
lol Paddy….didn’t really notice!
rjk, aaaawwww, poor little Anderson. He could stand to take some courses in fairness.
mj, “I remembered last night how they were all so sure Bill would be removed from office or forced to resign. It didn’t happen.”
They did everything they could to force him to resign.
I remember someone from the White House saying, “If the Lord Almighty told him to resign, he wouldn’t do it.” That’s my Bill. The Clintons are so tough. I love them for it.
Exactly, so no one here should worry so much about cable news. Really, few people watch it, and they are hardly ever right.
Imagine if “the Clintons” were spending five days in the Virgin Islands, what the MSM would be saying about them.
Anderson Cooper was going on and on about her tax returns. So stupid — they went on the same way about her schedules, and what came of that?
NADA. Zero.
@Paddy… “He can’t go to Florida like most folks”
as his preacher could not either.
I have heard several accounts locally about this as to WHY he canceled. NONE of them cited “security” that I have seen. The most repeated was CONTROVERSY. The local radio news said they the entire international press corps was there and that just made it a circus.
WOW
I cannot imagine the entire international Press Corp in Temple Terrace (Tampa) and the minister there had stated Wright was “getting a bad rap”
Basil — Exactly. Harris’ style annoys the hell out of me, and he is a blatant BHO shill.
Artiste — That’s how I feel. The networks woke up and said “Oh, sh*t! We’ve got a legit AA candidate for Prez, so let’s open up our Rolodex and start calling out for AA commentators.”
If BHO wasn’t in, those commentators wouldn’t be there, which is why it seems so opportunistic and phony. It is.
At least FOX tries to get difference in opinion with their
AA commentators/guests/hosts. CNN seems to not even try, except for Dobbs. It’s very disingenuous, even if some of the primaries have been about 90/10 splits for BHO with the AA vote. The message is clear: if you’re African-American, you support Obama, period.
Good point Artiste. It would have been better for him to have planned to go to Clearwater instead of Tampa. Not even the international press corp would have followed him there!
OMG…I just missed it. Geraldine Ferraro was just on LAura Ingraham! Did anyone hear her?
LOL Paddy…even I don’t go to Clearwater if I can help it!
God, i know she’s a repug troll but Laurie Roth just went to town on Obama, bigtime.
The RW is picking up bigtime on the terrorist connections, long may it spread.
They basically are asking, how the hell does Obama get a security clearance.
http://www.therothshow.com/home07.htm
What do William Ayers, former Weather Underground, and Rashid Khalidi, the professor at Columbia University who arranged the Ahmedinejad visit and has direct ties to the PLO, and Barack Obama have in common? According to well placed sources, Barak Obama and William Ayers directed money to Rashid Khalidi, the Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University. Khalidi has long been at the center of controversy for his anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian statements. In 2005, Khalidi was barred from participating in a teacher training program in the New York City public school system for his extremist statements.
Here are the connections per my source.
Allison Davis, who hired Obama into his small, Chicago law firm, Davis, Miner, Barnhill, in 1993, left the firm in late 1999 or early 2000 and became a housing developer. Davis then went into business with Tony Rezko, who he met when Rezko was a client of the firm. Rezko is presently under indictment for demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state business under Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich. In October 2006, Rezko was indicted for extortion of businesses seeking to do business with the Illinois Teachers Retirement System Board and the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board. He was also charged with wire fraud for staging false transactions of his pizza stores in order to secure $10 million in loans from GE Capital. Rezko is a fundraiser for Obama.
Last night,CNN’s Larry King,brought his long career to a long and hopefully short slide into the MSNBC and FOX,Septic TANK.He and his muck slinging clones,would this do us all a favor and take BHO with them.The REPUGS and the MSM are disgusting in their evil drive for eternal power and control of our great country.Hillary shows the world,every day,that she has the tooughness,experience,concern and the understanding that our next president must have in these dangerous times.I may be a 90 yr crusty supporter and I have seen the best and the worst of the candidates,but she is by far the NATIONAL TREASURE we need.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
WE love and and respect you HILLARY.MAde my 10th contribution today from my SS check and I know that she will protect the fund from Right Wing gang and their last great hope. I like to refer to them as “OBABA and the FOURTY THIEVES.
NPR: Obama recreated portions of his 2002 anti-war speech for a television as
Even in this era of YouTube and camera phones, a recording of Obama’s speech is all but impossible to find. The Obama campaign has gone so far as to re-create portions of the speech for a television ad, with the candidate re-reading the text, with audience sound effects.
Via No Quarter USA
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/26/the-fake-iraq-war-speech-more-creative-embellishments/#more-1933
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88988093
Artiste
We are singing off the same sheet of music. Obamatoons! (Hope nobody here is from Clearwater).
Now we see what kind of guy Obama is, he was the only one in congress who refused help.
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=38709
In an article published Monday in The American Thinker, the man who secured the release of self-described Muslim Zionist Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury said Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was “the only member of the US Congress or Senate who passed on helping the imprisoned and tortured journalist.”
Dr. Richard L. Benkin of Chicago said that he approached about 15 percent of the US House and “a handful of Senators.” Everyone took some action, he wrote, except Obama. Although The American Thinker is an influential journal of conservative thought in the US, Benkin makes it clear that this is not a liberal-conservative issue. In the article and elsewhere, he sites liberal and conservative members of Congress who went on record to protest Choudhury’s persecution.
“Since I’m from Illinois, I naturally approached both of my Senators for help. Dick Durbin came through. He recognized the matter as “an important human rights issue” and wrote a letter of protest to the Bangladeshi government. Obama, however, was another story. I spoke with him personally on two occasions, met with his people in Washington, and sent them a ton of information on the case. I never even got a form letter. If everyone did the same thing as Obama did, Shoaib Choudhury still would be in jail-or worse.”
Benkin also notes that when he brought the matter before his Congressman, Mark Kirk, he took immediate and powerful action, calling the Bangladeshi in his office where the three of them had an hours-long meeting. Three weeks later, Shoaib Choudhury was released.
Surprised, in a word, no!
Obamas Gave Less Than 1% of Their 2000-2004 Income to Charity
March 25, 2008 4:06 PM
This is why politicians don’t like to release their tax returns!
Bloomberg News crunches the numbers on Sen. Barack and Michelle Obama’s newly-released tax returns and finds:
“The Obamas’ donations to all recipients totaled $2,350 in 2000, $1,470 in 2001, $1,050 in 2002, $3,400 in 2003, and $2,500 in 2004. They also paid federal taxes totaling $311,044 during the same period on their $1.2 million of income.”
So much for Christian charity….
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obamas-gave-les.html
elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/26/gallup-poll-shows-many-democratic-voters-ready-to-vote-mccain-if-their-first-choice-doesnt-make-it-to-november/
28% of Clinton supporters go to McCain if she’s not the nominee.
19% of Obama supporters go to McCain if he’s not the nominee.
Clearly HRC is more electable. Period
Obama Campaign releases new easy-to-read memo to media explaining their post-racial perspective and how they expect the media to handle all issues of race from now on:
photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v216/200/67/3402073/n3402073_37242693_4302.jpg
Tri, that’s funny.
I can not believe he reenacted his speech. What a phony! Hill should do an ad with her authentic human rights speech.
Oprah’s Obama backlask??
Ellen named top TV host, Larry King least sexy-poll
The poll by Web site AOL Television asked readers which daytime TV host made their day and Ellen, who opens “The Ellen DeGeneres Show” by dancing with her audience, trounced Oprah with 46 percent of the vote, while Oprah only won 19 percent.
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080326/people_nm/talkshow_aol_dc
djia Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 2:09 am
How Bad is it For Obama in Pennsylvania?
realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/how_bad_is_it_for_obama_in_pen.html
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djia, Thanks for the link. There are a few other delicious tidbits that were not included in your excertps:
Convincing on the Critical Issues: On the issues that voters say are most important, Clinton is controlling the field. Among voters who say the economy is most important, she is up 15 points. Among healthcare voters, she is up 19 points. Among voters who rank leadership highest, she is up 30 points, and among those who say electability is most important, she leads by 15 points. (Source: Quinnipiac University Poll)
But the Pennsylvania polls only tell why Clinton is doing so well; they don’t explain why Obama is doing so badly. And this too needs to be understood in assessing what might happen during the final month of the campaign.
Among the reasons Obama is lagging in Pennsylvania is that he has not spent much time there, whereas Clinton has spent considerable time in the state since voting ended in Ohio and Texas. By some estimates she has invested twice as much time and made twice as many trips into the state. Equally important in understanding Obama’s problems is the week or so of rough patch he endured during the controversy over his church pastor. That period probably produced a greater increase in his polling “negatives” than any other in the campaign. From just mid-February to mid-March, he sustained a 10 point decline in his favorable ratings according to the Franklin & Marshall College Poll.
Hill still out-performing Obambi in the GE…
Missouri: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 53, Obama 38, Und 9 McCain +15
Missouri: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 50, Clinton 41, Und 9 McCain +9
I think she will win Missouri.
Ugh…I put my head down on the desk and fell asleep.
I would go by the polls in the GE. If it looked like McCain was the clear winner, then I would either not vote at all or vote for Nader (just to take another vote away from BHO). If it looked close, or if BHO was leading, I would definitely vote for McCain.
Damn Sherm, you’re a smart cookie, cookie. I hadn’t even thought of that.
ARTISTE…I MUST be really sick, I never put two and two together with respect to your name. For some reason, I thought you were Fashionista.
Idunn, take care of yourself. Drink some OJ.
I’m turning orange from oj, mj.
(that doesn’t cound right)
Anyway…what can I do to help today? Besides call…no way I can do that due to the coughing.
Craig Crawford’s blog (he rose up nice and early to post it, notice):
Hillary’s Bosnian Fib Play
By Craig Crawford | March 26, 2008 6:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (102)
Given the endless parsing of Clintonian motives, it would seem fitting to suspect that the great Bosnian fib was not so accidental. It is possible that Hillary Rodham Clinton benefited from her “mistake,” as she called her recent assertion of once landing in Bosnia under sniper fire.
Although seemingly embarrassing for her, this episode did serve to provoke repeated airings of video showing Clinton on her trip to Bosnia 12 years ago looking more like a Commander in Chief than like a First Lady. While hardly arriving under a hail of bullets, as she has repeatedly claimed, the video clips do show Clinton in a much grittier setting than anything that might be expected for a purely ceremonial visit.
Not saying this flap was clearly purposeful. Just saying that the visuals are not entirely bad for Clinton. And this could be one of those stories where the pictures register with voters more than the controversy itself.
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plus a comment posted by someone called “sturgeone”:
Honestly outside of opposition hatred for Hillary I don’t understand why it is such a major issue. We would have to look long and hard going through a list of presidents that have not exaggerated their resumes.
Some more dirt on BHO: corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2ZhODdkMGFhYmEwMDEwM2UwMWMwMzU1ZWZjYTY0OWQ=
Obama started the “Tonya Harding” insult?
This thug needs to go! Does anyone think he was not referring to his opponent or that he wasn’t hoping that it would get into the media drive?
Actually guys, i just had an indepth look at that gallup defection poll and its worse than Obama than they are letting on.
If you watch the video on Gallup,
If Obama is the nominee, only 59% of Clinton’s voters will vote for him, 28% will bolt for McCain, leaving 13% voting neither of them.
If HRC is the nominee, get this, 72% of Obamas voters will vote for her and 19% for McCain and 9% neither.
So in reality, Obama loses 41% of Clinton voters and Clinton loses only 28% of his voters. I can see why the msm didnt want to go into the figures.
Do they have an ethnic breakdown? My hunch is outside of african american intelligensia, most aa’s are part of the 71% that would vote for Hill. I’m betting it’s the elite whites who say they won’t. Not that is something the media isn’t reporting.
Hi there,
I am new to this site. Someone on Hillarys site recommended this site. This forum is great.
On the Wright discussion, I am so glad Hillary spoke out. She should have mentioned Barak was one of the ones calling for Imus to get fired also.
I am an AA I have called my pastor out many times. I would have not sit in a church that preaches such hatred. I am also tired of the AA pundits saying this goes on in all AA churches. I have e-mailed CNN, MSNBC and the radio stations to tell them so.
I don’t know what is going on in this world, it seems as if the devils has arrived, remember he can make
vinegar taste like candy. Watch out America, something is strange going on.
neetabug, welcome. I totally agree. I’m white, but I’ve been to a number of african american churches. Are they exciting, passionate places of worship? You bet. Did I ever hear anything close to Wright’s rantings? NEVER.
Good to have you aboard.
I don’t know what is going on in this world, it seems as if the devils has arrived, remember he can make
vinegar taste like candy. Watch out America, something is strange going on.
Neeta, you sound just like my mom. Which is high praise indeed, by the way.
PS forgot to mentioned i e-mailed the DNC to let them know i as an AA will not vote for Obama if he gets the nominee if FlA & MI votes are not counted. I told them i am not the only AA who feels this way. So far i know Fifty AA that feels this way. Obama can fool some people but he can’t fool me
I also remember my dear old mother, when she said,
If it looks too good to be true, it is, and will taste like shit when you bite into it.
Her words, she never minced them.
I gotta say, I think Tucker Carlson does much better as a “guest” than a “host”.
Speaking of my Mom, I forgot to tell you guys this: remember me telling you about my moms cousin, Ettie? The one who refused to speak to my mom because she was voting for HRC? She called my Mom on Easter Sunday and apologized. Said the Lord put it on her heart to call and tell my Mom that she was wrong.
LOL…Ettie is a crazy old bird, but she’s got alot of intergrity.
BTW, I’ve said this many times, No Obambi for me. If he somehow manages to slime his way into the GE, well, McCain for prez. I will not accept Hill as VP either (although I don’t think that is likely). It is either Hill or bust.
Also Neeta, we have alot of AA’s that post here (I’m bi-racial), and we’ve had ALOT of Rev. Riding Dirty discussions around here since that story broke. I don’t know where these hateful, crackpot churches are, but none of US have ever been to one.
Hi Neetabug and welcome!
Idunn….I cannot compare to Fashionista, but thanks! LOL
Remember how Brazile called Wright a moderate. LOL
Thanks guys,
I will be going to Philadelphis on the 18th. We are chartering a bus to go to Philadelphia to help canvas the neighborhoods in Philly. Hope to see you all there. My T-Shirt will say I am sticking with Hillary all the way to the Whitehouse
intergrity?
Lord…I need to get into bed.
Artiste: I don’t blame you for not taking that job. Nights suck.
@Idunn….syntax, please
“Said the Lord put it on her heart to call and tell my Mom that she was wrong.”
that She, Ettie was wrong, or your mom was! LOL
the former sounds like something MO would do!
Good for you, Neeta! make alot of noise when you guys get there!
I’ll be hitting NC here shortly. Can’t wait!
opps THE LATTER is something like MO would do
sorry
caught that right when I hit send
MJ….with the exchanges I have had with DB, i can see how SHE sees as a moderate!
that She, Ettie was wrong, or your mom was!
Seriously, shut up, Cracker! I told you I was sick!
Ettie called my mom to say that she, ETTIE, was wrong. Ya happy?
Neeta…that sounds great. Where are you going from?
LOL Idunn….
i luvs ya anyway.
I laugh every time I use the word “cracker” by the way. I never used that word in my whole life. See what Professor Obama has turned me into?
Excellent, nettie. ‘m going to PA for the last week before the primary.
Professor Obama…you are so funny.
Ugh, I’m not only feeling like crap today, I’m also feeling useless since I can’t phone bank.
Doesn’t anyone have some links we can pass around? Anything?
Idunn….make a cup of hot tea with honey and lemon…and a shot of Scotch
Professor Obama…you are so funny.
Well, he’s lecturing all of us, even though HE’S the one in trouble, so it fits, doesn’t it?
Idunn…B Merrys latest is ready to go out…On McPeek and his anti-Israel stance
Yeah, we need links.
At the height of the Obama frenzy some woman on tv started to refer to him as Dr.Obama, I thought, oh sweetie, take of the hopium goggles, this guy is no Dr.King.
^ Typical White Person
@mj “At the height of the Obama frenzy”
CAN WE NOW SAFELY ASSUME THIS IS OVER?
Idunn Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Professor Obama…you are so funny.
Well, he’s lecturing all of us, even though HE’S the one in trouble, so it fits, doesn’t it?
My sister said that about him a year ago. She said he is so professory, an aa John Kerry. LOL
I think I sent the McPeek stuff out yesterday. Or maybe that was the Wright/Palestine stuff. Who knows? Everything is running together now.
I’ll go check Rezkowatch.
Artiste Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 11:24 am
@mj “At the height of the Obama frenzy”
CAN WE NOW SAFELY ASSUME THIS IS OVER?
I sense it is.
an aa John Kerry
Ah HELL NO…ya’ll aren’t sticking Kerry on us! That’s the work of you blue eyed devils right there.
News: MSM now paying their Trash Force of Has-Beens,Wanna-Bees and Retread Anchors,in Hard Cash.No more Checks.Just Pieces of Silver.
kaffeen….nothing typical about you doll! You have to be BO ganny (the white one) to be typical…
but my tshirt should be arriving any day now…
wonder if it is safe to wear! LOL
this guy is no Dr.King.
Maybe the procologist, Dr. King.
Idunn…John Kerry IS a typical White Person
By the way, if you’re gay, you can not claim “typical white person status”. It’s in the manual.
Idunn….I gotta go put my DARKS in the dryer…do another load then put the WHITES in to wash
BRB
(please notice, the darks went first, and there are twice as many of them)
LOL
Idunn…John Kerry IS a typical White Person
You’re gonna have alot of praying to do tonight, my friend.
WEll Idunn…I can’t be typical gay either. I didn’t get THAT manual either. No backwards baseball caps, not a beer drinker, don’t care for football and I don’t have short hair.
You’re a rebel, Artiste.
Idunn…why? JK PRIDES HIMSELF on his all-White background, where as the rest of US are mutts in one way or another
perhaps that should have read JOHN KERRY is a TYPICAL White person
Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Tracking Obama 45, Clinton 45 Tie
Idunn….II have often thought that is also why I am single! LOL
kaffeen Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Tracking Obama 45, Clinton 45 Tie
Well, that’s down for Hill. I honestly can’t believe this guy isn’t tanking.
Kaff, bear with me here, but didn’t he go up from the last Ras poll? Am I misremembering?
Both Obama and Kerry are cousins of Bush, right?
Don’t know Idunn….MJ ’tis Rasmussen, take it for what it is worth (very little).
I’m eating this soup and then I’m going to bed. Looks like it’s gonna be a slow news day anyway.
(watch Bambi announce he’s dropping out right after I pull the sheets over my head)
Doesn’t appear that the Bosnia thing had any traction with voters though.
I knew it wouldn’t. Voters don’t care about stuff like that. Not to any GREAT degree anyway.
And the video proves she was in Bosnia, and it wasn’t a lavish ceremony or lots of parade. It was a war zone, and she was there, trying to help out.
Bless her.
Trying to change the subject of Wright with the subject of Bosnia is alot like trying to put out a forest fire with a lawn sprinkler.
And the video proves she was in Bosnia, and it wasn’t a lavish ceremony or lots of parade. It was a war zone, and she was there, trying to help out.
And no disrespect intended, did anyone ever see Barbara Bush or Nancy Reagan or Jackie Kennedy ever do THAT?
Kaff…Idunn…also it seems pretty clear that the MSM reaction was SO Over the top about the Bosnia thing, it appears as another HIT JOB and GANG RAPE by Bambi and “His Boyz” that it will in fact help Hillary in the longer run.
It was an OBVIOUS smoke screen by them for Wright and Obama’s lack of transparency on his RECORD, and his LACK OF DIRECT QUESTIONING by the PRESS
People get it more and more that this guy is a COMPLETE PHONY
MSNBC is trying their best to make a story out of Hillary simply saying “Wright would not be my pastor”…..News articles with titles like “Clinton campaign RIPS Obama/Wright”….lol….this channel is such a farce. Hillary just said something very benign and something that reflects the majority of voters opinions about that. He wouldn’t be my pastor either, but then again, I’m just a typical white person…lol.
Eleanor R would have done it
He wouldn’t be MY pastor either…guess that makes me a typical…ummm…racial mutt.
Eleanor R would have done it
True. But then, I see ALOT of similarities between HRC and ER.
Something tells me that Martin Luther King would never have uttered the words “typical white person” in public. Something also tells me that JFK would never have uttered the words “typical black person” in public. Let’s stop with the myth making, Obambi is not on the level of either of those men. He is, as is becoming my best analysis of him, “A Big Phony”.
Kaff…isn’t that COMPLETE BS about Hill’s comments on Wright…and the LOUDER they get about Hill’s comments, the more it sound like THEY support Reverend Wright
And FDR too, I might add.
OK gang…gotta get in the tub. I have a client (new) to meet at 1:30 and give her a price on a job before the BANK ARRIVES for financing!
LOL….that doubles the price right there! LOL
Ahhhh…Capitalism! Gotta love it!
I’ll be back
The saddest thing is, I don’t think Bambi ever really got what was so offensive about that remark. He just tries to back peddle and say it’s a generational thing. But that’s every bit as bad! So if you’re white and you’re over 60, you’re typical?? How is THAT any damned better??
He’s got to be retarded. Honest to god.
See ya, Arty.
And she actually knows about the New Deal, she doesn’t just talk about it.
ROFL Idunn….
fee better…and if pulling the sheets up over your head makes Bambi drop out….what are you waiting for! GET TO BED!
LOL…..
Idunn…maybe that ought to have been COVERS…not SHEETS!
LMAO!
BFN
“typical __________ person” tends to be offensive, whatever the blank is filled with.
The Bosnia thing is a non issue
Actually, MLK got a lot of flack from a few prominent african americans when he began to include poor whites in his cause. I adore MLK. He is our modern day founding father. I studied him for years starting in grade school. His birth name was micheal, he was later baptized martin. Did you know that?
My mother always quotes this bible passage: out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
greetings all…
Idunn- did you get the links I posted in the last thread about the BOs stock purchases? They made news last year when no one was paying attention to him but I think its a good story to push now. It really shows his hypocrisy.
If he only gave 1% to charity that doesn’t make for good christian charity – or muslim charity for that matter which requires 10% of income be donated to charity.
So what did he do with the 10% windfall from his book sales which is approximately $100,000? he bought stock in Skyterra and AVI BioPharma and then helped pass legistlation and secure funding for these companies to make Avian Flu.
Hello? Ethics? Hello? Insider Trading? Hello? media????
Obamas says in his defense, this wasn’t a whole lot of money. OK. Isn’t that more than twice the money Martha Stewart invested and went to JAIL for?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/07/us/politics/07obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
Artiste….what type of Artistic thing do you do. My wife and I just bought a house, doing some renovations. Got some ideas?
Idunn? I keep missing you!
I got those links and passed them around. I actually knew about the biopharm thing a long time ago, but there’s just so much dirt on this guy, I can’t even keep up with it all.
And no disrespect intended, did anyone ever see Barbara Bush or Nancy Reagan or Jackie Kennedy ever do THAT?
Bringing up Barbara reminds me of that quote of hers during Katrina. Where she said something about how all the people living in the Astrodome were underprivileged anyways so it was working out well for them.
Ronald very interesting….I will investigate that one more. That may be worthy of a news suggestion email blast to 3000 media contacts.
Kaff…google “spacegirlart”
How is it that Martha Stewart goes to jail and this guy goes on campaigning for exactly the same thing?
Actually, most christian religions ask for tithe of 10%.
Wow, not only is Hillary on Greta tonight but she’s on Hannity and Colmes as well! From the Fox News website:
Hannity and Colmes:
Wednesday, March 26:
• Special Interview: Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton is in the fight of her life. From facing the Bosnia backlash to her views on Reverend Jeremiah Wright. She joins us …
Greta On the Record:
Wednesday, March 26:
• A special interview with Hillary Clinton. She’s in the fight of her life, from facing Bosnia backlash to her views on Reverend Wright — Hillary Clinton goes ‘On the Record’
Where she said something about how all the people living in the Astrodome were underprivileged anyways so it was working out well for them.
SAY WHAT??!!
I never heard that quote. DAMN!
you cant even count the 1% since most of it went to that racist church as an investment to winning over the black community to back him in his political career.
Even Hillary realizes that 1. Fox has been halfway fair to her and 2. Fox has more than 2 viewers.
Idunn, is Artiste and Space one in the same?
yep
Yes, Idunn, she said that. It’s a famous quote.
Oh Idunn! It’s the best.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/national/nationalspecial/07barbara.html
There’s an actual audio quote of it somewhere too, you have to hear her saying it.
Yay…Hillary on Greta. I like Greta.
Hi all,
I came this morning just so I could vent.
After days of beating Hillary up over this Bosnia thing, I think MSM have moved on (she changed the subject).
I wish they would leave her alone about her first lady years. She was a great First Lady, and she pretty much “broke the mold” as far as first ladies go. She was the first first lady to enter a war zone since Eleanor Roosevelt, and there was definitely a chance for sniper fire that they prepared for. I know Hillary wasn’t trying to intentionally mislead anyone by the way she told the story. I even think Robert Novak could have been right when he said that Hillary likes telling the story and that it maybe kind of “evolved” over the years. She’s very human, and I love her for that.
As far as Hillary bringing up Wright – I love it
She had every right to finally answer that question – and I’m glad she did. The Obama camp can jump up and down and whine about it all they want – but it’s a serious issue and he’s pretty much stuck with it.
Idunn-
No its true. Babs was summarily sent back to Maine to tend to her petunias. The exact quote:
What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.
hear it for yourself:
marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2005/09/05/PM200509051.html
And yes, there isn’t any comparison. At least HRC was in BOSNIA and not serving tea or baking cookies at the WH.
Idunn, here’s the Barbara Bush quote:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/barbara2.asp
“And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this – this is working very well for them.” Barbara Bush
Wow…the apple really doesn’t fall far from the tree, does it?
Unbelievable.
What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas.
What a b*tch!
Well damn, now I don’t feel so baad for saying she looked like George Washington. LOL!
Idunn, I can’t find the video of Barbara Bush talking about how people driven out of their homes by Katrina were actually “better off”, but yes, it was a real clueless Marie Antionette “let them eat cake” moment. What a cold-hearted witch.
I do have audio: http://nosheep.net/wp-content/upload/bb.mp3
Oh, this morning on Morning Joe, he started off playing Hillary talking about the pastor, and he did everything but stand up and cheer.
Poor Mika didn’t know what to say. Joe Scarborough really likes Hillary, and it’s kind of nice. 
Audio of Ms. Bush being a cold-hearted witch. Add http.
nosheep.net/wp-content/upload/bb.mp3
I think Hannity kind of digs her too. And I KNOW Buchanan respects her, because I’ve heard him say so many times.
What can we say, she a Uniter.
Hey all!
Its a good day for a money bomb! There is a contest to win tickets to see Elton John on the web site. Donate today!
I’d like to see a clip on her on Morning Joe. Is it on youtube?
CALL DNC TODAY AND ASK FOR DONNA BRAZIL TO STEP DOWN AND TO COUNT THE VOTES IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN
Main Phone Number:
202-863-8000
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I just called and let em have it with no holding back. I can tell they are getting bombarded.
Come on folks. CALL.CALL.CALL
Tell them NO MORE MONEY from us.
Aye aye, Dot…I’ll get on that before I head back to bed.
I feel bad enough today to actually WANT to bitch at somebody anyway, so it’ll feel good to go off.
Idunn, I’m not sure. I’ll check their website.
Look how I got you guys fetching for me today…and all just because I said I was sick and batted my eyelashes alittle.
But seriously, thanks. My brain is on the fritz for real today.
Then he says in his speech that YES he was there.
also, the media isn’t calling BO on his LIES about Rev. Wright .. He was all over the media when this story first broke saying that the NEVER was around or heard these controversial statements…
Then on the radio he lies even more and says that he talked to Wright about the stuff when he said in the other interviews that HAD HE KNOWN he would have talked to him.
Idunn Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I think Hannity kind of digs her too. And I KNOW Buchanan respects her, because I’ve heard him say so many times.
Buchanon is the big one. Hillary was the cause of his “culture war”. he called her a “radical feminist”, and predicted she would run for President in 1992.
92??!!
If anyone wants to hound pledged delegates into switching sides here is a link with some states delegates. We only need around 80 of Obama’s to switch sides to get even in pledged delegates. I have found that many are state representatives.
http://www.goobergunch.net/45demconroll.html
All the while while BO and others have been comparing BO as like a MLK/JKF/RJK/Ghandi/Reagan, well the one person he REALLY is like is WRIGHT!
HE IS WRIGHT!
not a JKF/MKL/others…!
In ‘92 he predicted she would eventually run for Pres.
I heard that Joe S. also said hes been extremely impressed with Hill and Chelsea in this campaign. Two women speaking out for waht they believe in.
In ‘92 he predicted she would eventually run for Pres.
Well, so did her high school teachers.
Yes, but he wasn’t at all happy about it. Now he seems to prefer her of the three remaining.
Ugh…I’m really too sick to be on here. I gotta hit the bed folks.
Scream loud enough to wake me if anything important happens.
Idunn- get some rest. you’re feverish
>>Ghandi
gandhii… hellow ????
got a hold of the campaign in PA and passed on the Ron Fournier AP article .. also explained to them that the national office will not clean out it’s mailbox for messages and they won’t give you a live person to talk to.
I told them to research the AP/Fournier article out real well and see if the outposts were what Hillary remembered…just a thought.
Give em hell Hillary.
Called DNC again too..used my cellphone and gave the HELL. I loathe Donna Brazil
CLINTON EXPLAINS TO HALPERIN:
news.yahoo.com/s/time/exclusiveclintonvowstopushon
Yesterday, I mentioned David Brooks’ article mentioning other sources that narrow Hillary’s chances of winning the nomination down to 5 – 10%, and uses this as a means for suggesting she bow out “for the good of the party”. FAT CHANCE.
We (and I don’t just mean “we” more activist-types here on this web site, the the We the people voters across the country who voted for her, or who want her to be on the ballot when their state’s turn comes up) want her to keep fighting, because neither candidaet is going to reach the committed delegate threshold. We ARE headed to a floor fight in Denver, and the next few months are a lead up to that.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Now, for some Talking Heads who aren’t smoking Obamopium: This Week’s McLaughlin Group, all panelists gave her healthy odds of winning the nomination, in the area of about 50%. Even Clarence. (Unfortunately, the transcript is not yet available from the 3/21 taping yet.) I suppose they a) understand that Obama can’t hit the committed delegate threshold to win without a floor fight, b) see the way the remainder of the primaries are starting to look, c) acknowledge that Obama has been under-vetted, and that recent revelations have more than tarnished his Golden Boy image.
I guess I’m on an optomism trip this morning. I mean, things shake down, the truth comes out, give a ‘uniter’ enough rope….
As Crawford said, the videos of Hillary landing among soldiers, in a gritty setting, speak louder than the talking heads. She made 80 such visits, and got confused what happened which date? ALL our candidates should have such problems!
Obama disses her Irish peace work, making it breaking news — and a lot of Irish big names speak out and get covered. If Obama hadn’t made it controversial, it would have stayed buried in an old resume.
Okay, the following is woo-woo.
We’ve seen all through this that ‘mr uniter’ is dividing groups that have never been divided. (All out of the Alinsky playbook: first ‘rub raw the sores of discontent’ and get people polarized and fighting, then step in to reconcile them; but when does the uniting start?)
He’s divided Democrats, boomers vs youth, old Blacks against young Blacks, families (Kennedys, Jacksons). Now it’s Black church against Black church.
If this trend continues, who’s next? Obama wants to show Trinity as non-controversial, get Wright out of sight. So the new pastor preaches another inflammatory sermon on Easter! Wright wanted to speak in Florida and it suddenly got cancelled. — Maybe at some point Wright will get tired of being treated like a crazy uncle. Wright vs Obama? The church could sell tickets!
From a distance, it’s looked like the DNC was in the tank for Obama. But Dean has to have some survival instinct somewhere (he did try to get revotes). So at some point — Dean vs Brazile?
For anyone who hasn’t already gotten this, email from Chelsea this morning:
—-
Dear Democrats,
When I heard that Elton John was throwing a concert in New York for my mom’s campaign, I knew it was going to be a night I didn’t want to miss.
Want to join me there?
My mom’s campaign is bringing two supporters and their guests to New York on April 9 for both Elton John’s one-night-only concert and the party after the concert. It’s going to be a great night and a great time.
It’s such an important time to support my mom’s campaign. There are big contests coming up, starting with Pennsylvania, and I know she can win with your support. She’s working so hard out on the campaign trail, and I know that your support makes a real difference to her and this campaign.
Enter now and you might join me, my mom, and Elton John for his one-night-only concert in New York on April 9. Make a contribution today.
I talk to a lot of people who are excited to see my mom win and be the president we all need — and who are working hard to help make that happen. It means so much to me to know that there are so many people like you who believe in my mom and are working to help her win. I know that she’ll be such a great president and she will win, but not without all our help. And what better time to help than right now?
Please contribute today. Enter and you might be joining me, my mom, and Elton John for a concert in New York!
I’m so grateful for everything you’re doing to help my mom win!
Thank you!
Chelsea
RE CANTWELLS POSITION-
Her campaign office called me today and clarified their position. You may recall that yesterday, their dc office read me an excerpt from the Columbian Journal which set forth the criteria she would use to select a candidate, i.e. most states, most pledged delegates and popular vote, with pledged votes being primary. Today they said nothing about which of those criteria would be primary and emphasized the conjunctive ‘and’. Also, they said Cantwell was emphatic that she still supported Hillary, this was accurately reported in the Columbia Journal but bloggers have “truncated” the message. I told them that their own dc office had done the same thing by not reading me that she still supported Hillary and they should perhaps look into that. I also suggested that they get out a press release to clarify her position since by their own admission a number of people and others have inquired.
Bottomline: I will wait to see if there is a clarification, what it says and hold off sending Cantwell the fire and brimstone letter I wrote last night. I take them at their word that Cantwell still supports Hillary.
mei,
If it matters, I think Obama used the ‘knee-cap’ metaphor back in 2006, perhaps in a New Yorker interview? Expressing lots of admiration for Hillary, saying something about if he runs he doesn’t want to ‘knee-cap’ her.
195, it was last summer when he announced he’d be more agressive with her.
SO!!! I just met Hillary. It was truly amazing. She wanted to see all the interns from her senate and campaign staff in NYC and we all got to meet her and take a picture. She was wearing her pink top and black pants and she looked radiant. She was so sweet and warm and now she knows who I am. Best day of my life!
IDunn:
The best way one can start a 3rd party is by calling on people who have not endorsed any candidate in any party and asking for their views and seeing if they can form a new party…even if they do not win, the idea is that we are VERY TIRED of this crap.
I called 3 undecided superdelegate SENATORS this morning on this topic. I openly said that I strongly support Hillary but it looks like we need another option to think about besides BO!
And two of the senators I called are on foreign policy/armed services committees….need for national security concerns tht would make us support McCain.
Nice, LJ! Wow!!
mj Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Do they have an ethnic breakdown? My hunch is outside of african american intelligensia, most aa’s are part of the 71% that would vote for Hill. I’m betting it’s the elite whites who say they won’t. … that is something the media isn’t reporting.
Class-wise, look at the options. Obama’s latte liberals can vote for Nader (they’ve probabaly been voting for him for years). Blue-collars, including AA’s, don’t like Nader, so they’d be choosing between Hillary and McCain.
neetabug Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Hi there,
I am new to this site. Someone on Hillarys site recommended this site. This forum is great.
On the Wright discussion, I am so glad Hillary spoke out. She should have mentioned Barak was one of the ones calling for Imus to get fired also.
I am an AA I have called my pastor out many times. I would have not sit in a church that preaches such hatred. I am also tired of the AA pundits saying this goes on in all AA churches. I have e-mailed CNN, MSNBC and the radio stations to tell them so.
Welcome, Neeta! Are any AA churches or denominations speaking out as a group, saying “Don’t class us with Wright, Trinity is not a typical AA church”?
McCain is a known quantity. Four more years of Cheney/Halliburton, but McCain is sane and has some intelligence.
Obama — is an incompetent nut who would have puppet masters pulling him all different directions and have no common sense to oppose them, and lord knows what he’d do to international problems.
Well, not all of Trinity is like Wright’s either. Wright is a special case.
My point was more that aa’s like Hillary. They are not voing against her, just for Obama.
LJ, that’s great! I’m jealous.
OMG! I love the Murtha vid on Hill’s blog.
Idunn Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Also Neeta, we have alot of AA’s that post here (I’m bi-racial),
Idunn, sometime if you feel like it, what about telling us something about growing up bi-racial? There are a LOT of bi-racials in the post-1960 generation, though BO has been acting like he’s something unique. Since age 10 he was brought up by his white grandparents in a protected environment; these Black and other relatives were only around him in early childhood, or met after he was grown.
Taylor Marsh links to this article about the double standards of the press and how despicably they have given a free-pass to FL and MI disenfranchisement:
talkleft.com/story/2008/3/26/10312/3012
By Big Tent Democrat
Speaking for me only
When the Media and the Left blogs deplore the negativity of the Democratic presidential campaign, especially from the Clinton campaign, they ignore that they are a major reason why it has happened. Why? Because they attack the Clinton campaign no matter what it does while ignoring or defending every negative attack and questionable tactic of the Obama campaign.
The examples are legion. There is not an ounce of doubt that it was the campaigns challenging Hillary Clinton last fall that first engaged in negative attacks. The Media and some of the Left blogs were imploring the Barack Obama campaign to do that and certainly not a single word of reproach was written about it.
Led by Tim Russert and Brian Williams in the October 2007 debate, and followed eagerly by the entire NBC network and many Left blogs, the attacks on Hillary Clinton, especially on her character, were applauded on a daily basis. More.
I criticized the character attacks and dirty politics. I was quite alone in this at the time. (I dropped my endorsement of Chris Dodd as a result.) And Clinton suffered because of these personal attacks against her. To wit, Barack Obama was rewarded for his dirty politics last Fall.
The Obama/Clinton rules were in full flower in the run up to New Hampshire. The Media and some Left blogs led the charge – cheeering negative attacks on Clinton, attacking and distorting the Clinton campaign’s responses and attacking her for trumped charges of negative campaigning. They were ready to dance on Hillary Clinton’s political grave.
Since then the rules have been locked in. No matter what happens or is said – to NBC and to some Left blogs, Hillary is evil and Obama is without sin. The coverage of the Nevada at large district issue led to the most ludicrous charges of “disenfranchisement” from the Media and some Left bloggers.
Then, expecting Clinton to be knocked out in Texas, NBC and some Left blogs were bitterly disappointed and argued Clinton should drop out even though she won both Ohio and Texas (some even float the idea that the Texas caucus results were the true contest in Texas, rather than what they were – proof positive that caucuses disenfranchise voters.)
Indeed, disenfranchisement now becomes the key guiding principle of some Obama supporters – they support it at every turn. My own personal anger is tied up in the attitudes about the Michigan and Florida revotes. Everyone knows that Barack Obama blocked revotes in Florida and Michigan. No one outside of Michigan and Florida seems to care.
Let me put it bluntly, the dirtiest politics practiced in this campaign was Barack Obama’s blocking of the Michigan and Florida revotes. There is nothing uglier in politics, nothing dirtier, than blocking voters’ chances to vote. The stain on Barack Obama for this will not wash away with me. (BTW, I am not saying Clinton would not have done the same thing, I THINK she would have. But she did not.) Especially since I believe it would have helped Obama in the general election.
The Clinton campaign realizes that no matter what they do, they will be declared evil. They realize that no matter what Obama does, he will be declared a saint. In such an environment, both the Clinton campaign and the Obama campaign will feel no restraint to their behavior.
The Media and some of the Left blogs have created this climate. Pols are pols and do what they do. I expect nothing else from them. I once expected honest assessments from some in the Media and from most in the Left blogs. I no longer do. Clearly neither do the campaigns.
If the headlines and coverage do not change no matter what is done by the campaigns, then you can not expect the headlines and coverage to matter to the campaigns in terms of tactics. For all those in the Media and in the Left blogs deploring the negativity of the campaign, I suggest they look in the mirror for the main culprits.
1950Democrat wrote:
Obama — is an incompetent nut who would have puppet masters pulling him all different directions and have no common sense to oppose them, and lord knows what he’d do to international problems.
——
Yes yes yes. The thing that drives me nuts about Obama is that he has no vision. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool, traditional liberal (he’s been rated “most liberal” among all Senators) but somehow, he thinks he’s bipartisan, even though he has no track record whatsoever of bipartisan success. His entire schtick is basically, “well, when I’m President, I just plan on charming everyone into agreeing with me.” Only the most naive voter would fall for that.
rjk1957 Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
If anyone wants to hound pledged delegates into switching sides here is a link with some states delegates. We only need around 80 of Obama’s to switch sides to get even in pledged delegates. I have found that many are state representatives.
http://www.goobergunch.net/45demconroll.html
Ooooh, that sounds useful!!! Getting an Obama SD to switch would help us two points on the gap, and be bad momentum for him.
So maybe we should be targeting some of their constituents.
MEMORANDUM
TO: FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VOTERS
FR: DEAN, BRAZILLE, PELOSI AND OBAMA LLC.
RE: HOW TO DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY
1. First, you have no right to vote in the presidential primary because others screwed up and BO wont let us fix it. (Translation: fuck you).
2. Second, you must vote for the candidate we choose in the general election for the good of the party. (Translation: relax and enjoy it).
3. Third, you must contribute to the DNC because the Republicans want to destroy the country and we alone can save it. (Translation: oh wud sum powr the giftie gee us to see ouselvs as iters see us)
MEMORANDUM
TO: FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VOTERS
FR: DEAN, BRAZILLE, PELOSI AND OBAMA LLC.
RE: HOW TO SNATCH DEFEAT FROM THE JAWS OF VICTORY
1. First, you have no right to vote in the presidential primary because others screwed up and BO wont let us fix it. (Translation: fuck you).
2. Second, you must vote for the candidate we choose in the general election for the good of the party. (Translation: relax and enjoy it).
3. Third, you must contribute to the DNC because the Republicans want to destroy the country and we alone can save it. (Translation: oh wud sum powr the giftie gee us to see ouselvs as iters see us)
Good afternoon Hillfans.
NEW OBAMA SCANDAL.
Read links at RezkoWatch. Larry Johnson at No Quarter has the story (on RW page). No time for something new but all the background links are here.
rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-degree-of-separation-obama_26.html
I’m not sure if everyone has already seen this particular footage, but there is a great news reel of Hill’s visit on Hillaryspeaksforme. The reporter describes her as going to one of the most dangerous outposts, one even the Pres did not visit(nor the celebrities). The reporter says she arranged the trip herself to let the soldiers know americans support tham and their mission. Reporter says she has to navigate carefully between looking like she is doing the President’s job and her own. Reporter says the outpost lies between the serb and muslim territory, and is surrounded by landmines. She looks so presidential!
I love how in the scaife video she says she could talk all day about Katrina and the board is like go for it. People really like her once they meet her.
Yes, MJ – posted that video yesterday, though nobody seemed to have watched it:
Clinton in Bosnia warzone outposts:
youtube.com/watch?v=Pef5AUt-tic
Thanks Ininla. That article reads like what we wrote back in April 2007. When we wrote it many thought we were off the deep end. Now, it is conventional wisdom.
MJ… is there a direct link for that footage..I can send it to the campaign if you can point me to it.
dot, it’s above.
Really, the story didn’t need any embellishing. That video and that reporter’s description of events is better than the story.
B. Merryfield: Just read about Craig on “Noquarter.” How is he getting away with this? How come no one has called him out? Especially, the Clinton’s? How can he work for Obama, if he was associated with the Clinton’s law firm? Has anyone sent this out to the media?
I hear BO is in greensbore stealing all of Hill’s kitchen table ideas and slamming her on wait for it…”lobbyist”.
Admin – your infinite vision and wisdom prevail.
Now – the issue is how can the liberal media tilt back to fair and balanced?
Not only is the Clinton campaign battling the BO campaign, but now they have to smartly lay traps for the media itself! – Passport-gate and Ferraro vs. Wright might’ve played themselves out naturally to reveal big media’s hypocrisy, but I hope there’s more of this to come.
(for B Merry) – I hope it’s Greg Craig.
HEY! No paper trail for Obama in the senate this is a must read everyone!
thehill.com/campaign-2008/judicial-watch-obama-intended-to-leave-no-paper-trail-2008-03-26.html
We should post this to all the news media, I will start with CNN.
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CNN – right now showing BO in Greensboro – funny they cut him off as soon as he talked about healthcare for seniors. The anchor then reiterates what BO said re: Wright:
said he was not in chuch on the days that the most controversial statements were made, and that Wright gave 3 sermons a week per year and that media took the most offensive 5-6 clips…
(blah, blah, lie, lie.)
Obama is nothing but a LIAR. I despise how media is not doing it’s job and not calling out the lies regarding Wright. The idiot still claims that he wasn’t in church when controversial statements were made but in his speech he said he was. Which is it Mr Obama Bin Lyin? This man that wants to be POTUS is trying to tell us that he had no clue about Wright after his BFF Oprah left the church years ago? What a LIAR and I can’t stand him.
crossfire .. no longer on air
in the money .. no longer on air
paulazahnnow .. replaced by campbellbrown@cnn.com
I’ve sent wolf and lou already.
Talk of the Nation on NPR taking calls now about Hillary Clinton. Should she drop out? CALL IF YOU CAN.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/03/name_that_political_junkie.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5
cant find the number ….
I can not believe he’s back to defending that church.
sent to:
hannity@foxnews.com
oreilly@foxnews.com
greta@foxnews.com
hemmer@foxnews.com
hume@foxnews.com
America’sPulse@foxnews.com
too late. its over. But, Leslie Bennetts ( author of the Feminine Mystique) did a great job defending her and refused to back down.
The point that people are not talking about, is the fact that BO belonged to a “church” that spewed white hatred, anti-seminitism, and anti-Americanism for years. He has exposed his daughters to this. Even if, he did not hear of those sermons, I’m sure he knew about them; especially, since Wright was his spiritual advisor and mentor. I don’t want a POTUS, that attended an organization like Trinity church. Would people want a member of the KKK, as POTUS? Trinity church seems like the AA version of the KKK. However, I do think, Trinity Church is an outlier for AA churches.
Of course he heard these sermons. I don’t believe that for a minute. He just said in his speech he heard “some” of them. Ok, which ones?
The church SOLD those sermons on their website SO they must have thought THEY were pretty important ones. Enuf said
off Hillary’s blog
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americaspulse@foxnews.com .. the other one bounced
don’t forget Hillary will be on Hannity and Colmes and on Greta tonight.
It’s not just the whites and the Jews. From a poster at Taylor Marsh, Obama’s Pastor is insulting Italians now…
Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor emeritus of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago where Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has been a member for two decades, slurred Italians in a piece published in the most recent issue of Trumpet Newsmagazine
“(Jesus’ enemies had their opinion about Him,” Wright wrote in a eulogy of the late scholar Asa Hilliard in the November/December 2007 issue. “The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans.”
How many Italians in PA? Spread this around! Obama’s church spreads hate for LOTS of ethnic groups. I plan to let my husband’s entire Italian family know that they all have “garlic noses” according to Rev. Wright.
Just got back and wanna post this before i forget.
Rush in the car and it seems Wright has insulted yet ANOTHER group of white Americans. This time it’s the Italians. In the Nov/Dec issue of Trumpet, TCUU’s mag, he describes Romans as ‘looking down their garlic noses’ at JC.
Can’t WAIT for Gerry to gear aboiut that.
OMG. I was really ROTF! Gotta admit Rush is quite the comedienne.
Um, no, WE and the press did not cherry-pick sermons. Those sermons were cherry-picked by the good Reverend himself as his BEST EVER, and released on video as such!
HE is the one who said they were most representative of his real views, not US.
basil he actually said “Italians”, not “Romans”, which is even worse.
wbboei Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
RE CANTWELLS POSITION-
Her campaign office called me today and clarified their position. You may recall that yesterday, their dc office read me an excerpt from the Columbian Journal which set forth the criteria she would use to select a candidate, i.e. most states, most pledged delegates and popular vote, with pledged votes being primary. Today they said nothing about which of those criteria would be primary and emphasized the conjunctive ‘and’. Also, they said Cantwell was emphatic that she still supported Hillary, this was accurately reported in the Columbia Journal but bloggers have “truncated” the message.
Thanks for the encouraging news. That ‘AND’ is very important — I think some other SDs are using it too. Meaning, I suppose, that if a candidate doesn’t have ALL of the criteria mentioned, then all bets are off.
I do think getting some other metrics circulating will help — figleaves for everyone. “Whoever the most Democrats voted for” “The most swing states” “The most electoral votes from swing states
Last night I’d already sent her a nice note about HIllary being more electable, she’s shown the strengths that will be needed in November, etc.
The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans
Not a crackpot church. Nope.
I’m Italian! Garlic noses recognize.
So I’m a typical white garlic nosed person. ‘Sup stereotypes?
OMG, now he’s blaming italians for the Romans, and talking about garlic noses. Not only is this guy offensive, he doesn’t even understand basic history.
OMG! Garlic noses. Wright is a nut. His daughter, Jeri, works with the Trumpet newsmagazine.
You are NOT white if you are a garlic nose! Get your racial slurs straight, people!
Incidentally, who would have EVER thought I would have an occassion in life to say, “You are not white if you’re a garlic nose”?
‘Sup, stereotypes?
LMAO!
he doesn’t even understand basic history.
Well, maybe he doesn’t know much about history, but he sure knows his science. I mean, how many other scholars have figured out how to make a bomb that would target ONLY blacks and arabs? Huh?
Skips right over the garlic noses and typical white folks.
Idunn, bwahahahaha
Anyone figured out yet what stereotype he has in his little black bag for me?
Mudblood, maybe?
I get the typical white person from my moms Irish side. (She’s a wee bit german too). Have the Irish been offended yet?
My dad was a very dark skinned Italian boy. He was also a tad bigoted. My mom liked to remind him just how close Africa was to Italy to piss him off.
About HRC doing Hannity and greta tonight; that’s gonna f**k with Bo coz Channel 5 anchors have been trying to get BO on their shows for months and they’re PO’d that he won’t accept their invitations.
In fact, one of the shows even has an Obama-watch for how many days have passed since he agreed to be interviewed and hasn’t shown up.
*LOL*
MSNBC trying to float the Hill for VP thing again…..puke…..think again. I hope she fights till the bitter end……I’m not voting for Bambi as Prez even if Hill is on the ticket. No compromise there for me.
Idunn, what percentage black or Arab would one have to be? I mean, would the bomb pass you yourself over? Would mixed-race Obama be spared? Do you have to be “need a tan just to neutralize the fishy blueness” whitey white, or can you be brownish or olive and still survive it?
basil: the Obama-watch. Is that O’Reilly or Hannity? I think, it might be O’Reilly.
I’ll go ya one better, I doubt I’d vote for HRC for prez if Bambi was in the #2 slot.
I mean, would the bomb pass you yourself over?
I think I might get by with just losing an arm or something. Unless it uses an actual gradient color chart, and then I might be screwed.
I’d vote for Hill as Prez no matter who is VP. Just won’t do the same for Bambi. I refuse to let the media spin me into voting for that phony and fraud.
Anyone think maybe Reverend Riding Dirty has tourettes?
After kicking it around some….I’m going to vote for Hill even if she is not in the formal running for Prez. She is the best choice for President, period.
I think I might go with Sherms idea if the worst should happen. Watch the polls…if Obama is losing, I just stay home and take a bubble bath. If he’s winning, I throw on some clothes, get in the car, hold my nose and vote McCain.
Or maybe I’ll write in Rev. Wright. Seems like a fun guy.
No matter what, if, God forbid, Obambi is the democratic nominee….he doesn’t stand a chance with everyone either writing in Hill, voting Nader, voting for McCain, or simply not voting at all.
Ok, his pastor is anti-semetic, anti-white, anti-american, anti-italian, and the media sits on it’s hands. Let’s imagine this is Hillary’s pastor. Would the media excuse it?
From your mouth to Gods ears, Kaff.
Obama Interviewed by they round table on January 28,2008
he talks about politics and religion and Dr. Rev. Wright!!!
w w w . religionandsocialpolicy.org/news/article.cfm?id=7644
No, from my hands lol
Idunn .. I’m training your thoughts. The DNC screwover of Hillary won’t be forgotten by November. The DNC screwover of FL and MI won’t be forgotten by November. The sicko Jeremiah Wright and his hate America speech won’t be forgotten.
Just wait till the “patriot” Mccain starts using that photo of Obama where he refuses to pledge the flag..we’ll see how that floats.
MJ…you’re forgetting that Bambi is the antichrist. You can’t kill him with a scandal. You have to go to the Vatican and get the pope to give you some kind of special tools or something.
Tell the Pope the garlic noses sent ya.
Okay, I must be on the verge of delirium or something…I have no idea why this all seems so indredibly surreal to me all of a sudden.
It’s like, when armeggedon comes, just before Bambi tries to make me renounce my faith in god, I’m gonna remember sitting here at this computer, saying, “Tell the pope the garlic noses sent ya.”
:: cue twilight zone music::
And then Billy Mumy will walk out, stare me dead in the eyes and it will all be over.
Tiny Dancer,
Not that I’ve heard but he did avoid most St. Patrick’s Day festivities.
ANYONE,
My pc is tanking and I tried sending the original Tonya Harding quote from December 2007 to Jack Tapper, the reporter who wrote up the recnt use of the term, but i can’t log onto ABC’s site.
Can someone else try, please.
The pope is surrounded by garlic noses. Maybe I can make a call to my paesanos in Italy and have them pay a visit for us.
She must quit, she is dividing the party, tearing down precious, handing the election to McCain, my god Chiken Little (aka the BO/MSNBC Combine). . . the sky is falling in . . . . . .
My bullshit detector has been going off on that lie now for some time and but I now have the best corroborating witness in the world to support me. Behold a political genius at work:
Bill Clinton takes on Obama in W.Va. visit
Mar 26, 2008 @ 01:13 PM
Herald-Dispatch.com
PARKERSBURG, W.Va. (AP) — President Bill Clinton says his wife won’t back down from a fight with U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, no matter how contentious the race becomes.
Speaking to several hundred supporters in Parkersburg on Wednesday, the former president said division among the Democratic presidential candidates is nothing to be concerned about, and if politicians don’t want to get “beat up,” they shouldn’t run.
Clinton rejected calls from some “elite” members of the Democratic Party who are suggesting his wife bow out of the race so as not to divide the party.
He says now is not the time, as his wife is gaining ground on Obama.
“Let’s just saddle up and have an argument. What’s wrong with that?”
Clinton told the crowd that his wife has better plans than Obama on the economy, health care and the war in Iraq.
Parkersburg is the first of three West Virginia campaign stops for Clinton. He also is scheduled to visit with seniors at the Gaston Caperton Community Center in the Kanawha County town of Chesapeake and an event in Beckley. All three appearances are open to the public.
Hillary Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, visited Charleston and Huntington last week, one day before her rival from Illinois made stops in Charleston and Beckley.
So…. the only way any thing is going to “stick” to Obama is if they (MSMS) find a young boy or a dead whore in his bed, and… I don’t think that is going to happen!!!
Well, now hold on a sec, JAS…Tiny, you’re friends happen to have any dead whores lying around?
(sorry God, I’m sick. I’ll make up for that later, I promise)
Dot,
just called DNC and let them have it about brillo-head. it was an answering machine, but for some reason, the longer I spoke the more angry I became until i was screaming into the telephone that unless DNC IMPEACHED Brazille and Dean and seats Florida and Michigan and yadayadayada . . . Boy did that feel good!
A typical white garlic-nosed italian. ROTF!
Birdgal, can’t remember which show has the Obama watch.
Kaffeen, have been thinking about what to do if BO is the nominee and the thing is, I’m afraid he could actually win if people like us don’t bump McCain’s numbers up and I’d rather have John than Barry.
Idunn, you are a great comedian. You really should get paid for this stuff.
Michelle is so wrapped up in her own victimhood it’s ridiculous:
“Because sometimes it’s easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your own ignorance. That’s America.”
“the former president said division among the Democratic presidential candidates is nothing to be concerned about, and if politicians don’t want to get “beat up,” they shouldn’t run.”
Ha Ha, go Bill!
Idunn…… CLASSIC!!!! that is too funny.
Clinton rejected calls from some “elite” members of the Democratic Party who are suggesting his wife bow out of the race so as not to divide the party.
Good for you, Big Dawg!
I have to go back and read the links, but II just came in and saw Dot’s directive to call the DNC and complain!
I did…and boy howdy did I get a snippy typical white girl in “Chairman’s Office”
She told me that everything II knew about Florida and Michigan revotes was incorrect, also…she said DECLARITIVLEY (is that a word?) that “there will be a nominee. The Super Delegates will not be choosing the nominee”
When I asked her about the DNC’s inequity in supporting the candidates, she said they were neutral (HA!) and when I asked her about does that neutrality include Dean turning his company over to his brother and giving OObama all his mailing lists she was incredulous. It just got better, but I did tell her that the Dems would be losing Florida. She said thatnk you for speaking fr thousands of florida voters. She was VERY rude and a real Bot.
Idunn, you are a great comedian. You really should get paid for this stuff.
How many times do I have to tell you…I’m rich bitch!
Love that Bills in Wva today! My brother called this am and I was on the way out the door to take cat to vets .. I bet he was calling to tell me BigDawg was gonna be there.
I have some mafia ties, I’m sure I can come up with something. Let me give Big Tony a call.
I have a cousin who keeps a pair of cement shoes on hand “just in case”. O_o
From the article DJIA just posted (still BO does not show why he did not reject and denounce): religionandsocialpolicy.org/news/article.cfm?id=7644
Preaching in church last Sunday [this means it was Jan 27 2008], your longtime pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said that Bill Clinton “Did the same thing to us that he did to Monica Lewinsky.” And he was criticized recently for his church magazine’s decision to give an award to Louis Farrakhan. Do you worry that the country is forming a certain impression of Jeremiah Wright that’s a different than the man who brought you to Christianity?
‘I Am Proud of Reverend Wright’
It’s a tricky thing, anybody’s relationship with their pastor. Reverend Wright’s about to retire in a month. He’s at the end of a long and distinguished career.
People who are familiar with the black church tradition know that Reverend Wright’s considered one of the greatest preachers in the country. Our church, Trinity United Church of Christ, even though it is part of a 95-, 97-percent white denomination, very much draws on the historical black church tradition and Reverend Wright’s sermons do as well. And that means that sometimes he’s provocative in ways that I’m not always comfortable with and in ways that I deeply disagree with occasionally.
In Letter, Top Clinton Donors Chastise Pelosi For Statements About Super-Delegates
Twenty top Hillary fundraisers and donors have sent a scathing private letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, chastising her for publicly saying that the super-delegates should support the winner of the pledged delegate count and demanding that she say that they should make an “independent” choice.
H t t p :/ / tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/in_letter_a_dozen_top_clinton.php
The Honorable Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of the US House of Representatives
Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Madame Speaker,
As Democrats, we have been heartened by the overwhelming response that our fellow Democrats have shown for our party’s candidates during this primary season. Each caucus and each primary has seen a record turnout of voters. But this dynamic primary season is not at an end. Several states and millions of Democratic voters have not yet had a chance to cast their votes.
We respect those voters and believe that they, like the voters in the states that have already participated, have a right to be heard. None of us should make declarative statements that diminish the importance of their voices and their votes. We are writing to say we believe your remarks on ABC News This Week on March 16th did just that.
During your appearance, you suggested super-delegates have an obligation to support the candidate who leads in the pledged delegate count as of June 3rd , whether that lead be by 500 delegates or 2. This is an untenable position that runs counter to the party’s intent in establishing super-delegates in 1984 as well as your own comments recorded in The Hill ten days earlier:
“I believe super-delegates have to use their own judgment and there will be many equities that they have to weigh when they make the decision. Their own belief and who they think will be the best president, who they think can win, how their own region voted, and their own responsibility.’”
Super-delegates, like all delegates, have an obligation to make an informed, individual decision about whom to support and who would be the party’s strongest nominee. Both campaigns agree that at the end of the primary contests neither will have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination. In that situation, super-delegates must look to not one criterion but to the full panoply of factors that will help them assess who will be the party’s strongest nominee in the general election.
We have been strong supporters of the DCCC. We therefore urge you to clarify your position on super-delegates and reflect in your comments a more open view to the optional independent actions of each of the delegates at the National Convention in August. We appreciate your activities in support of the Democratic Party and your leadership role in the Party and hope you will be responsive to some of your major enthusiastic supporters.
Sincerely,
Marc Aronchick
Clarence Avant
Susie Tompkins Buell
Sim Farar
Robert L. Johnson
Chris Korge
Marc and Cathy Lasry
Hassan Nemazee
Alan and Susan Patricof
JB Pritzker
Amy Rao
Lynn de Rothschild
Haim Saban
Bernard Schwartz
Stanley S. Shuman
Jay Snyder
Maureen White and Steven Rattner
demand donna brazil step down
call .. call .. call
Brazil and the DNC is not being neutral.
@lninla
that article proves he knew about the rev comments and that he definitely LIED!!
and don’t ya just love the comment ” I’m proud of Rev. Wright”
OH! And another thing…the girl at the DNC said when I asked why they don’t put pressure on the networks to cover BOTH candidates fairly…
She said (are ya sitting down?)
“If we could control the media, they would be really scary”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And I just fell off the turnip truck!
ROFLMAO
they = that
ohhh boyy you people better watch out the things going on in this country
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341811,00.html
NEW YORK, N.Y. — On any given day, log on to RevolutionMuslim.com and a host of startling images appear:
— The Statue of Liberty, with an ax blade cutting through her side;
— Video mocking the beheading of American journalist Daniel Pearl, entitled “Daniel Pearl I am Happy Your Dead
“;
— Video of a puppet show lampooning U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq;
— The latest speech from Sheikh Abdullah Faisal, an extremist Muslim cleric convicted in the UK and later deported for soliciting the murder of non-Muslims.
Even more surprising is that RevolutionMuslim.com isn’t being maintained in some remote safe house in Pakistan. Instead, Yousef al-Khattab, the Web site creator, runs it from his home in the New York City Borough of Queens.
• Click here to view photos.
• Click here to view video mocking the beheading of American journalist Daniel Pearl.
• Click here to view puppet show lampooning U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq.
And, because al-Khattab enjoys the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, all the authorities can do is watch.
Formerly known as Joseph Cohen, al-Khattab is an American-born Jew who converted to Islam after attending an Orthodox Rabbinical school, which he later described as a “racist cult.”
The 39-year-old New York taxi driver launched RevolutionMuslim.com with the mission of “preserving Islamic culture,” “calling people to the oneness of God” and asking them to “support the beloved Sheik Abdullah Faisal, who’s preaching the religion of Islam and serving as a spiritual guide.”
In 2003 Faisal was convicted in the U.K. for spreading messages of racial hatred and urging his followers to kill Jews, Hindus and Westerners. In sermon recordings played at his trial, Faisal called on young, impressionable Muslims to use chemical weapons to “exterminate unbelievers” and “cut the throat of the Kaffars [nonbelievers] with [a] machete.”
Authorities believe Faisal’s sermons have influenced 2005 London transport bomber Germaine Lindsay and “shoe bomber” Richard Reid, who attended mosques where Faisal preached.
At times, al-Khattab’s postings are farcical, such as a picture of him holding the book “Nuclear Jihad” with a wry smile on his face. Other messages call for radical Muslim rule worldwide.
Al-Khattab claims the Sept. 11 terror attacks were an “inside job,” and he blames U.S. foreign policy for spawning the terrorism that carried out the attacks.
He calls Daniel Pearl, who was kidnapped and beheaded in 2002 by Islamic extremists in Pakistan, “a convicted spy.”
“I could care less about Daniel Pearl,” al-Khattab said in an interview with FOXNews.com. “I’m happy to see that he’s gone.”
Click here to view RevolutionMuslim.com.
The content changes constantly. One reason is that the fast flow of information allows messages to spread through cyberspace quickly. Another, terrorism analysts say, is to make it difficult for law enforcement to monitor the site.
Despite his radical anti-Western views, al-Khattab says he does not support terrorism of any kind.
Yet, RevolutionMuslim.com claims to be the official site of “North American representatives” for Sheikh Faisal, and it appears dedicated to spreading his radical doctrine.
He says Faisal “never said to kill innocent people” and was unjustly imprisoned. He says the real terror organizations are the U.S. Army, the CIA, and the FBI — and the National Coast Guard, “to a lesser extent.”
According to RevolutionMuslim, Faisal — who was deported to his native Jamaica in 2007 — is now receiving donations solicited on the site, including money for a new laptop and DVD burner to spread his message.
It’s not illegal to post these messages or collect money for Faisal, but it would be if Faisal were designated a terrorist by the U.S. government. He currently is not listed on any government terror list; a Department of Justice spokesman could not confirm or deny if Faisal is being investigated for any terror related activity.
RevolutionMuslim may look amateurish when compared with other extremist Web sites, but it is no less of a threat, says Mia Bloom, political science professor at the University of Georgia’s School of Public and International Affairs.
“It may lead people who become radicalized by it to turn to other, more dangerous Web sites,” such as those run by terrorist organizations, she said.
Bloom characterized al-Khattab’s message as “narrow” and “misinformed” and said he is attempting to “proselytize or radicalize people who share some of these same ideas.”
“[He] has obviously been duped or is duping others because that’s not what Islam preaches,” she said.
On his site al-Khattab appears to condemn the very democracy that guarantees him the freedom to express himself — a freedom he cites in a disclaimer on his homepage:
“We hereby declare and make absolute public declaration that revolutionmuslim.com operates under the first amendment right to freedom of religion and expression and that in no way, shape, or form do we call for war against the U.S. government or adhere to the enemies of the United States elsewhere.”
Under the law FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said it is difficult to bring criminal charges against the operators of Web sites like RevolutionMuslim.com unless specific threats are made against an individual or individuals.
Kolko while not speaking directly about RevolutionMuslim said radical sites like these are not often prosecuted.
“It’s usually a First Amendment right if they don’t cross the threshold of making any threats,” said Kolko. “There’s nothing we should or could do.”
“Until the rhetoric reaches the point in which it’s no longer protected speech under the first amendment, it’s hard to stop it,” said security expert, Harvey Kushner.
Excellent post, Djia!
Nancy Pelosi.. call that byotch as well
District Office – 450 Golden Gate Ave. – 14th Floor – San Francisco, CA 94102 – (415) 556-4862
Washington, D.C. Office – 235 Cannon HOB – Washington, DC 20515 – (202) 225-4965
reinforce the letter above. She needs to clarify herself and remain neutral .. plus do her own friggin job for a change
The story you’re missing on superdelegates
By Daniel Baer
Wed Mar 26, 4:00 AM ET
Cambridge, Mass. – It is now clear that superdelegates will ultimately decide the Democratic nominee for president, so the campaigns for both Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have been making their case for what these party pooh-bahs ought to do.
Senator Obama’s camp asserts that superdelegates need to vote for whoever wins more pledged delegates – almost certainly him. Senator Clinton’s team contends that her often-decisive victories in large and swing states – crucial battlegrounds in the November election – should compel superdelegate support.
As in many political arguments, both claims have a hint of substance, but neither quite tells the whole story.
The Obama position boils down to this: “The people have spoken; you can’t go against the people.” But that’s tenuous and counterintuitive. If that were the case, there’d be no need for superdelegates at all: The Democrats would simply have party rules that made the winner of pledged delegates – no matter how thin the margin – the nominee.
What Obama’s people are right about, though, is that the people have spoken (and are still speaking), and what they’ve said so far is that Democrats have two great candidates, both of whom inspire large numbers of supporters.
It is a superdelegate’s duty to reflect carefully on each candidate’s strengths, on how she or he would fare in a general election, and how he or she would perform as president.
In wooing superdelegates, Obama’s campaign must make the case that he can go the distance, withstand Republican attacks, and reach beyond the core demographics that have supported him in caucuses and primaries thus far.
Here’s where the Clinton campaign’s counterargument comes in: Her wins with key Democratic constituencies in large states and swing states, and a possible popular-vote edge, provide a compelling reason for superdelegates to tilt her way.
But this, too, is only part of the story. The popular vote, like the delegate tally, is likely to be a virtual tie. And while her wins in critical swing states are significant, it is difficult for either candidate to make conclusive arguments about general election viability based only on performance in primaries or caucuses.
Superdelegates shouldn’t meditate on particular numbers from caucuses and primaries alone, but must also look ahead to what we know about key factors in the general election.
We know that there will be more focus on policy differences than there is in a primary, where voters often have the luxury of picking on personality. We know that in 2008, the economy, healthcare, and security are likely to be the top issues for voters. And we know that recent GOP wins have been built upon inroads with three groups: Latinos, so-called security moms, and working-class whites.
Clinton’s campaign must continue to demonstrate that she has the substance – the Clinton track record on the economy, her nuanced command of foreign policy – and the strength with key demographics that will be necessary to win the general election, especially in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.
There has been an inordinate amount of handwringing about the superdelegates among Democratic activists and the punditry:
“Oh no,” they lament. “The unelected superdelegates are going to make the call. No one imagined this nightmare scenario when they created these party rules!”
Hogwash. There is no reason to assume that the prospect of a virtual tie in pledged delegates didn’t occur to the designers of the system. Indeed, it is precisely in a case like this that having superdelegates makes sense. The purpose of such a format is to help the Democratic Party choose the best candidate when one has not been convincingly rendered by the primaries and caucuses.
When the superdelegates inevitably act as a tiebreaker, there may be outcries from either side that the result is undemocratic. But it’s important to remember that this is not an election; it is the mechanism by which a voluntary association – the party – selects a candidate.
The primary system need not be democratic – thankfully, else we’d have to reject caucuses. The solitary objective is to produce the best Democratic candidate: a person who represents Democratic values and, critically, who can win the real election in November.
It may be politically difficult for superdelegates to bracket consideration of pledged delegates, but their hopefully principled commitment to the Democratic Party demands that they do so. After all, Obama has staked his campaign in part on reminding us that judgment certainly doesn’t mean following the crowd.
As voters and caucusgoers, we have supported the person we believe in. Superdelegates have a special duty: As party leaders, they must set aside the passions of the moment, draw upon their experience and their judgment, and choose a candidate who can win and who can govern.
• Daniel Baer is a faculty fellow at the Edmond J. Safra Foundation Center for Ethics at Harvard. He is a supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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LOL! God I love bill, he’s always right on the money!!
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Jake Tapper today wrote :
Bill Clinton: ‘I Don’t Give a Riff About All This Name-Calling….Let’s Just Saddle Up and Have an Argument’
March 26, 2008 2:06 PM
Don’t like the tenor of the Democratic contest?
Don’t look to former President Bill Clinton for consolation.
Speaking to voters in Parkersburg, West Virginia, the 42nd president Wednesday said, “I don’t give a riff about all this name-calling that’s going on. They’ve been going on ever since Iowa. I’ve heard them say all these things about her.
“Apparently it’s okay to say bad things about a girl,” he said laughing, in an apparent reference to his 60-year-old wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, per ABC News’ Z. Byron Wolf.
“The only thing that matters is, what happens to you?” said Mr. Clinton. “That’s all that matters. If a politician doesn’t wanna get beat up, he shouldn’t run for office. If a football player doesn’t want to get tackled or want the risk of an a occasional clip he shouldn’t put the pads on.”
Clinton also had a word to say about all the surrogates of both his wife’s and Sen. Barack Obama’s campaigns whom had been ejected, including former Obama campaign adviser Samantha Power, and former Clinton campaign finance committee member Geraldine Ferraro.
“I don’t think any of these people oughta be asked to resign,” said the former president. “All these guys that say bad things about any other campaign, they say should they resign? My answer is no, they’re repeating the party line. They oughta stay right where they are.
“Let’s just saddle up and have an argument,” he continued. “What’s the matter with that? That’s what America’s about, right?
“All this moaning and groaning — none of these politicians are gonna have anything like the tough time half the people in this audience have already had for the last seven years. This is about you. Don’t you let anybody take this election away from you.”
Perhaps Fox is leading up to something …..:wink:
dayum .. Bill Clinton is giving the big FU to media. Love him.
Admin, could you help me embed?
you should totally watch this spar session between Jamie Rubin (fmr asst to Bill Clinton, and husband of Christianne Amanpour) tear Andrea Mitchell a new one – he debunks the media’s slanted telling of Bosnia, or Ireland; tears the BO campaign a new one for denigrating the work of an “important First Lady,” and he’s particularly tough on anti-Clintonite Andrea Mitchell.
GREAT TV – someone on TM comments said, he should be Clintons’ spokesperson. Agreed.
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All this moaning and groaning — none of these politicians are gonna have anything like the tough time half the people in this audience have already had for the last seven years. This is about you. Don’t you let anybody take this election away from you
That a damned call to arms right there. Big Dawg is letting us know the Clinton Machine is about to rev the engine.
GOD DAMN CNN!
GOD DAMN MSNBC!
I lnow that’s crude, but it’s okay if I say that because I’ve also been nice to some people I actually like.
that quote about advisers staying right where they are …hmmm leading up to some announcement I do believe. Can’t wait
@Idunn…… Thanks
@Dot48……hope your WRIGHT
ok – going to try this again Jamie Rubin tears Andrea Mitchell a new a-hole:
Andrea needs a new one.
wbboei,
LOVE that BC story! Reading that put a
on my face.
see what we are dealing with in tx. i wish hillary woudl do the same thing as obama-
althouse.blogspot.com/2008/03/in-texas-obama-campaign-tries-to-win.html
hmmm leading up to some announcement I do believe
I told you…the 28th.
Artiste,
Now I’m inspired to call again and try getting hold of a Bot-girl.
“All this moaning and groaning — none of these politicians are gonna have anything like the tough time half the people in this audience have already had for the last seven years. This is about you. Don’t you let anybody take this election away from you.”
I just love the Big Dog!
OT Christianne Amanpour is an idol of mine. Well was when I was in hs/college. I haven’t kept up with her recently, but I had great respect for work during the 90s back when CNN was halfway respectable.
Revelle, revelle, revelle– howard dean must by humming that old tune by Irving Berlin “oh how I hate to get up in the morning”
And what about Precious? Is the still telling himsef that old lie that Hillary’s supporters will flock to him in droves if she is not the nominee, because they are democrats, he is the nominee, ergo vini vini viche.
If so then he needs to listen to the lilting lyrics of that old Gershwin song from Porgy and Bess: “It taint necessarily so . . . . . . . .”
And then he might want to ponder the polling results. Prior to today we knew the attrition rate would be 40% if current trends hold which they will because images of his racist minister will continue to reverberate through the blogosphere, whether or not Anderson Cooper faints over them and requires smelling salts.
Today however the other shoe dropped. Hidden somewhere in that 40%number was an x factor of how many of them would merely stay home vs how many would actually cross over the bridge to McCain which would be a double whammy against Bwaaaaaak. Less for him and more for his opponent hypothetically speaking.
Today we got the answer to that question. According to Gallup 28% would actually cross over to McCain–roughly one third. That is megapolitical. Chuck Todd will be as quick as he was in New Hampshire to dismiss them as racists, but the truth is Bwaaaaaak has managed to offend so many constituencies out there that it is more economical to speak in terms of who hasnt he offended.
yes, love Christianne Amanpour too – love that her husband is smacking down Andrea Mitchell. Also, TM poster noted this:
Dozen Clinton high donors smackdown Nancy Pelosi: tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/in_letter_a_dozen_top_clinton.php
In Letter, Top Clinton Donors Chastise Pelosi For Statements About Super-Delegates
By Greg Sargent – March 26, 2008, 2:34PM
Twenty top Hillary fundraisers and donors have sent a scathing private letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, chastising her for publicly saying that the super-delegates should support the winner of the pledged delegate count and demanding that she say that they should make an “independent” choice.
I’ve obtained a copy of the letter, which comes from some of the most influential fundraisers in the Democratic Party, including Hassan Nemazee, Steven Rattner, Maureen White, Stan Shuman, and Alan Patricof.
Here’s a key excerpt:
Several states and millions of Democratic voters have not yet had a chance to cast their votes.
We respect those voters and believe that they, like the voters in the states that have already participated, have a right to be heard. None of us should make declarative statements that diminish the importance of their voices and their votes. We are writing to say we believe your remarks on ABC News This Week on March 16th did just that.
During your appearance, you suggested super-delegates have an obligation to support the candidate who leads in the pledged delegate count as of June 3rd , whether that lead be by 500 delegates or 2. This is an untenable position that runs counter to the party’s intent in establishing super-delegates in 1984 as well as your own comments recorded in The Hill ten days earlier…
birdgal, maybe if she had a new one she’d look a little less constipated all the time.
Oh, and I LUUURV me some Big Dawg! He thinks like an ordinary person, not some Washington poobah.
About the Gallup Poll… I think a major part of the division btw Hillary’s people and Obama’s cult followers is the Media. Specifically, why many of us can not bring ourselves to vote for Obama.
For Hillary people (those who are ferociously loyal), the disparity btween how the media treats Hillary and how they treat Obama is what is fueling this anger. It’s comparable to the family dynamic in which the parent has a favorite child. The other child feels a sense of injustice and harbors resentment and anger against the favorite child. If it goes on for years and years, it turns into hatred not only for the parent, but the favorite child.
For me, although I think Obama has run an under-the-radar dirty campaign and has blatantly stoked the flames of race-baiting, much of my hatred comes from the media’s blatant favoritism of the emperor with no clothes on.
I realized this b/c of John Edwards. Edwards was the original ass to Hillary. Many of us are forgetting how below-the-belt he went in attacking Hillary. Unfortunately for John, the media dismissed him as persona non grata… so John became just a nuisance in this race.
So with Edwards, I harbored a dislike of him, but I also realized he was another child left out.
There’s a sense of injustice when you see one candidate continuously bashed and berated time after time; and the other candidate smothered with compliments and glowing praise. One candidate criticized for merely existing; while the other’s misdeeds requires persistence by mass organization for it to be noticed by the media.
filbert: just like a dysfunctional family.
28% will cross over, but what % will just stay home?
And I heart Bill Clinton.
that is what I find in phone banking. the pure despise of the media is fueling a lot of support for Hillary. I’m telling voters that she has her back against the wall and she needs every vote and that they CAN make a difference. They want to feel necessary and I’m helping this as much as I can.
I don’t have an issue with one candidate being an ass to another candidate, myself. I think that’s just politics. What’s driven me over the edge wrt Bambi is his whole pompous, “you can’t touch me” routine. And the sheer audacity of his hypocricy. He does know we can SEE him, right?
also 7pm Shep Smith on Fox .. JUST THE NEWS .. no pundits, no discussion. Give HIM the ratings.
And the Media sits back and wonders why the Democratic Primary has turned so bitter and angry.
Tweety, Russert, Olbermann, the entire cast of CNN, NBC, NYT and WaPo sit back and wash their hands of it all when this whole thing comes to a conclusion.
Obama: The Audacity of Hypocrisy….
Thanks for the spellcheck, Dot.
“Today we got the answer to that question. According to Gallup 28% would actually cross over to McCain–roughly one third. That is megapolitical. Chuck Todd will be as quick as he was in New Hampshire to dismiss them as racists, but the truth is Bwaaaaaak has managed to offend so many constituencies out there that it is more economical to speak in terms of who hasnt he offended.”
Brilliant analysis as usual, Wbboei!
Yesssssssssssssss! Big Dawg’s speech today was AWESOME!
Everyone should watch CNN right now, lots of interesting topics, Sexism, Pelosi not being neutral, Hill in it to win it, Dem defections to McCain if Obama gets nom.
HillBill, don’t forget that Edwards was the original divider: he divided the “class” of Democratics. He wanted to start a class-warfare. However, b/c the media dismissed him — as they do Hillary — we don’t have that same hatred of John.
In fact, many of us would gladly have Edwards as VP. I think the media played a big part in this bitter Primary in stoking division.
Just got through to a Ms. “Mallory” at the DNC and when I expressed my concern about Donna Brazille exhibiting pro-Obama bias on National TV she informed me that Brillo-head is not ‘representing’ the DNC on the shows and she has the right to express any opinion she chooses. I then asked precisely what Ms. brazille’s position was in the DNC and what role she plays and she said she didn’t know. I said Brillo-head had been responsible for crafting the “Rules” which are currently prohibiting Florida voters from being heard and she informed me that Brillo-head had been a member of the committee but there had been a unanimous vote to sanction the states. I asked where I could find out more specific information about Brillo-head’s function in the DNC and she suggested I do a google search.
Makes me wonder just how many of JE’s supporters are now running to hillary like they’ve been set on fire.
Kaffeen,
Count me in! you have my info.
Do you guys call BFF “brillo head” because her hairdo looks alot like an sos pad?
Just curious.
I’m having a nice big Italian sandwich with lots of garlic for lunch in honor of Rev Wright. *Muah*
Idunn .. that is why I call her that, her hairdo looks like my brillopads.
kaffeen, I’m in.
Turn on FOX!
AA minister saying BBO campaign shutting Wright down on speaking tours. Wright has canceled Texas too!
Enjoy that sandwich, garlic nose.
Idunn .. that is why I call her that, her hairdo looks like my brillopads.
LOL…I didn’t get it for awhile, until I thought about it. But I swear, it really does. Blocky, boxy, same color and everything.
dot,
“that quote about advisers staying right where they are …hmmm leading up to some announcement I do believe. Can’t wait”
I don’t get it. translation, please.
Tiny- you saw my follow up posting on Cantwell I assume.
How many would stay home: It seems to me that if 40% of Hillarys supporters will not support Bambi if he is the candidate and if 28% of those would cross over, then 12% would stay home (defined to mean stay home, write in Hillary, or vote for someone other than Bambi).
My 82 year old mother who has voted for the Democratic candidate in every election since she was eligible to vote and has a visceral reaction to Republicans which goes back to the Depression, and who is still in full posssession of her faculties told me last night that if Obama is the nominee then she will vote for McCain because he is the lesser of the two evils.
Space, what else are they saying?
Wbboei,
‘Bwaaaaaak has managed to offend so many constituencies out there that it is more economical to speak in terms of who hasnt he offended.’
LMAO! You certainly have a way with words!
For anyone who lives in Northern Cal…
To update those not in the Bay Area, we are organizing a demonstration at our California State Democratic Convention in San Jose—on Friday March 28th when Nancy Pelosi will be speaking. The theme is Voter Disenfranchisement/Voter Issues. We are not wearing Hillary shirts, caps, buttons, etc. It’s NOT about the candidates. It’s about our votes…our voices…As stated in the petition, it’s not just MI & FL; I think we all agree that there is an underlying theme in our political parties that disenfranchising voters is acceptable. 1) DNC disenfranchised MI & FL voters 2) Caucuses – are these inclusive? We’ve seen how these work and how they disenfranchise voters and 3) Open primaries! So it’s okay for Republicans to vote in a Democratic primary, but vote Republican in the general election—throwing an election? Astonishing!
Please sign the petition, and if you can, bring your hand made posters and join us at the SJ Convention Center at 4:30pm.
I would love to join but I’ll in TX.
The audacity of experience NOT the audacity of hypocrisy
The Gallup numbers re: Clinton supporters abandoning Obama in droves if he’s the nominee prove what we’ve known all along: Obama has alienated virtually EVERYONE other than his core following of Obamabots. He’s turning off swing voters, he’s turning off moderates, and his campaign’s shrieks any time the media begins to try and vet him are turning more shrill by the hour.
Filberts – will you email me that petition if it’s going around?
Also, they should add that the elitist Dems who are calling on Hill to stop, are trying to disenfranchise the voices of those millions who will vote in the upcoming primaries, and to invalidate the votes of so many who voted for Clinton previously – in states where she won.
@filbertsf
@Idunn
Perhaps this is the “biggie” on march 28th!! Perhaps it’s going to end up seating FL and MI and Hillary will be the nominee!!
“a demonstration at our California State Democratic Convention in San Jose—on Friday March 28th when Nancy Pelosi will be speaking.”
Yeah wbboei! I feel a little better about Cantwell now. There’s something about it in the TImes today and someone replied that she’s really indebted to Sen. Clinton for helping erase the campaign debt.
My sandwich is amazing. Its frsh mozzerella with roasted peppers, garlic, olive oil on focaccetta. I’m also sipping Pelligrino and have a cannolli for dessert. If I’m going to be a stereotype I’m going all out.
Excerpted from Politico:
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TAXES: OBAMA PROSPERED AS HE SOARED
By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 3/25/08 7:16 PM ES
Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle, pulled in $3.9 million from 2000 through 2006, according to tax returns posted Tuesday on his presidential campaign’s website.
They gave $148,000 to charity in that span, including $27,500 to Trinity United Church of Christ when the polarizing Rev. Jeremiah Wright was leading the congregation.
Curiously, the Obamas checked the box to set aside $3 for the presidential public financing system on their taxes between 2000 through 2004, but they did not do so in 2005 or 2006. Barack Obama, who has positioned himself as a champion for reducing the role of money in politics, has been criticized for backing away from his commitment to participate in the program as a presidential candidate.
LOVE THIS
This is about you. Don’t you let anybody take this election away from you
That a damned call to arms right there. Big Dawg is letting us know the Clinton Machine is about to rev the engine.
Gotta make some coffee
Perhaps this is the “biggie” on march 28th!! Perhaps it’s going to end up seating FL and MI and Hillary will be the nominee!!
For some reason, that was my gut reaction to it to. But the keywords here are “strategy” “communications” and “brilliant advisors”. Don’t ask me what exactly that means, because I have no clue. But there you have it. (for those who care to have it, and for those who don’t, just pass it by)
a demonstration at our California State Democratic Convention in San Jose—on Friday March 28th
Oh shit! I AM sick! I read that twice and STILL didn’t see the connection! Damn!
OBAMA’S FINANCIAL SUCCESS LINKED TO WRIGHT; OBAMA PAID HIM BACK, TOO:
From Politico:
Nearly half the family’s income in that period came from payments in 2005 and 2006 related to Obama’s books — “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream,” which hit bookstores in October 2006, and “Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance,” published in 1996 and re-released in 2004 as Obama headed to an easy win in his Senate race.
[Basically, Obama made massive amounts of money by selling a book named after one of hate-monger Jeremiah Wright's most famous sermons]
Then, Obama donated 275,000 to Wright’s church. Quid pro quo, anyone?
And here’s the weirdest part, after I did the “work”, I came in here and asked anyone if they thought there was any possible way Florida or Michigan might be seated on the 28th, and no-one had anything to offer, so I just dropped it.
^ meant to type $27,500 above (donation by BHO to Wright)
meant to type $27,500 above (donation by BHO to Wright)
Huh…so is that figured into his annual 1% for charity?
DJIA, tell me more about this demonstration. Or can you point me to a link?
“Perhaps it’s going to end up seating FL and MI and Hillary will be the nominee!!”
not sure`about this when I spoke to DNC Bot-girl she agreed with Brillo Head that seating after a nominee was chosen will be the course right now
Ok, I know no one here gives a crap, but damn it, what the hell was purchased at Tiffanys, who did the purchasing, and who was it for? I want to know. How do you accidently use campaign funds to buy stuff at Tiffs?
Tiny said: Christianne Amanpour is an idol of mine. Well was when I was in hs/college. I haven’t kept up with her recently, but I had great respect for work during the 90s back when CNN was halfway respectable
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She is still at it doing great reporting, and she is couageous enough to tell the truth withour pc or bamabibullshit. Michael Weir in Iraq is another great one. Ditto Dana Priest with Washpo.
In the days when Britain commanded an empire on which the sun never set and Cecil Rhoades held sway from Capetown to Cairo, it was common for British families of means to send their least talented sons abroad so they would not be an embarrassment to their social standing. These lesser lights were called “remittance men”.
Mindful of that precedent, it occurred to me that in the offices of CNN today the reverse custom is observed and the remittance men stay home.
wbboei, I learn a lot from you. Glad you are here.
Minister said BO is in hot water if it is apearing he is shutting Wright down. HE brouht race into tis and now he wants it to go away.
He said(paraphrasing))
“Every time Wright opens his mouth, the campaign knows it just brings attention to Obama in a way they don’t want”
DJIA, tell me more about this demonstration. Or can you point me to a link?:
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I will be there – demonstrating. 2 other people i know are organising it.
djia: are you part of this group? If, we need to introduce ourselves!
I’m hoping we did not spread the false Cantwell rumor too far and wide as the Obama trolls, even those commenting on TPM are constantly referencing us.
I have to laugh when the media says the campaign is getting dirty and nasty. They should cover some local elections if they really want to see dirty and nasty campaigns. This is nothing compared to so of the things I have seen over the years.
@MP
it came from this posted up above, no i am not apart of it, i don’t even live in SF
# filbertsf Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
For anyone who lives in Northern Cal…
To update those not in the Bay Area, we are organizing a demonstration at our California State Democratic Convention in San Jose—on Friday March 28th when Nancy Pelosi will be speaking. The theme is Voter Disenfranchisement/Voter Issues. We are not wearing Hillary shirts, caps, buttons, etc. It’s NOT about the candidates. It’s about our votes…our voices…As stated in the petition, it’s not just MI & FL; I think we all agree that there is an underlying theme in our political parties that disenfranchising voters is acceptable. 1) DNC disenfranchised MI & FL voters 2) Caucuses – are these inclusive? We’ve seen how these work and how they disenfranchise voters and 3) Open primaries! So it’s okay for Republicans to vote in a Democratic primary, but vote Republican in the general election—throwing an election? Astonishing!
Please sign the petition, and if you can, bring your hand made posters and join us at the SJ Convention Center at 4:30pm.
I would love to join but I’ll in TX.
Is there a link about the demonstration?
@mj “How do you accidently use campaign funds to buy stuff at Tiffs?”
the same way FEMA temp employees on hurricane response use FED credit cars to go gambling, buy girls, buy boats and steaks and stereos for personal use. You just DO IT and hope no one notices for six months. Then you are gone and they don’t come looking. These cards get passed around. As far as Campaign expenses, i am not sure, but i bet it was some little trinket for Michelle “Where’s the money” Obama for giveaway on the trip to Megan’s Bay
wbboei, What’s the reason your mom dislikes Obama? Is it because of the media fawning over him? Just curious …
WOW Fox story says “Reid said “things will be done” before the Primary ends. Same message Bot-girl gave me on the phone.
SOMEONE has made a deal.
Ok, I know no one here gives a crap, but damn it, what the hell was purchased at Tiffanys
That’s still bugging me too, MJ. What do you want to bet it wasn’t the first “mistake”?
Minister said BO is in hot water if it is apearing he is shutting Wright down.
Doesn’t matter what he does now. It’s like trying to put bees back in a jar.
After a bunch of folks have already been stung, no less.
@ Berkeley Vox
You wrote “Then, Obama donated 275,000 to Wright’s church. Quid pro quo, anyone?”
I couldn’t find that in the politico article anywhere, can you share a link to this information?
Thanks
SOMEONE has made a deal.
——
The FIX is in!
Well we will not budge…remember there are 28% of us…we can make some difference!
We need to make sure we live in the swing states to tip it to McCain!
And YES WE CAN make a difference!
Idunn…your bees come in a jar?
The FOX story on Reid annd the DNC bot girl have me wondering about Barry’s vacation now.
Was he away sulking, or, resting on his laurels that he is the winner?
I don’t think the DNC girl and Reid have the same scenario in mind.
“Minister said BO is in hot water if it is apearing he is shutting Wright down.”
It’s quite a pickle the Senator is in. Mr.Wright does not like to be slighted. That’s why he went after Powell and Oprah. Keeping him quiet will be quite a chore.
Artiste Says:
March 26th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
The FOX story on Reid annd the DNC bot girl have me wondering about Barry’s vacation now.
Was he away sulking, or, resting on his laurels that he is the winner?
No. He was finding a way to avoid Easter Sunday services.
Reid and his son are in Hillary’s corner (son officially and Reid himself says he is neutral). If a deal was made against Hillary he wouldn’t be saying that right now, he would be bitching about it.
Rev. Wright has his own agenda!
Great – we need to see him talking more! and let him keep the BO connection alive!
Hmm…Bill issues a challenge today…”let’s saddle up”. Reid comes out and says “something will be done” before primaries end.
What do you want to bet they are gonna try to shove a Clinton/ Obama ticket deal down our throats?
watch rove on fox now!!
from Hillaryclinton.com
3/26/2008
Statement from Campaign Manager Maggie Williams on New Vote in Michigan
In the wake of today’s court ruling regarding Michigan’s January 15th primary, we urge Senator Obama to join our call for a party-run primary and demonstrate his commitment to counting Michigan’s votes.
Senator Clinton has consistently urged that the more that 600,000 votes cast by the people of Michigan be counted and if that is not possible, that a new election be held.
Michigan voters must not be disenfranchised and the Obama campaign must not continue to block Michigan’s efforts to hold a new vote. Rather it should move quickly to announce its support for a party run primary.
Michigan will be a key battleground state in November. Disenfranchising Michigan voters today will, in the heat of a general election, provide Senator McCain with a powerful argument to use against the Democratic nominee. We cannot allow this to happen.
The people of Michigan must be counted and their voices finally heard. What the people of Michigan need now is just action, not just words.
mj….when I spoke to her, she was steadfast on that point. The Superdelegates WILL NOT BE MAKING THE DECISION, it WILL NOT come to that. THERE WILL BE A NOMINEE”
now, Reid saying the same thing.
Party Line Speak
From CNN (sorry if someone already posed this):
(CNN) — Nearly 20 high-profile Hillary Clinton backers strongly criticized Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday over her recent suggestion that Democratic party superdelegates should not overturn the pledged delegate outcome at the party’s convention this August.
In a letter to the House Speaker dated Wednesday, the backers said that position is at odds with the party’s original intent on what the role of superdelegates should be.
“Superdelegates, like all delegates, have an obligation to make an informed, individual decision about whom to support and who would be the party’s strongest nominee,” the backers wrote.
“Both campaigns agree that at the end of the primary contests neither will have enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination,” they also said. “In that situation, super-delegates must look to not one criterion but to the full panoply of factors that will help them assess who will be the party’s strongest nominee in the general election.”
In an ABC interview earlier this month, Pelosi said it was her belief whichever candidate ended the round a primaries with the pledged-delegate lead should be awarded the Democratic nomination by the superdelegates. That argument would benefit Barack Obama, whose current pledged delegate lead of 171 is virtually insurmountable given the party’s proportional delegation allocations, even if Clinton were to win each of the remaining 10 primary contests.
In their letter to Pelosi, the backers urged the House speaker to “clarify your position on super-delegates and reflect in your comments a more open view to the optional independent actions of each of the delegates at the National Convention in August.”
The letter comes one day after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid seemed to suggest Democratic leaders were in the process of working out a deal to ensure the party’s nomination fight does not go all the way to the convention.
“Things are being done,” Reid told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
Clinton/Obama I’d hold my nose and vote for .. otherwise a no go for me.
How in the hell could a federal judge rule the MI vote unconstitutional?
Any sign of that old drunken DINOsuar….Kennedy?
Very quite last 12 days and counting!
Because, art, if you read between the lines of everything Reid said, it’s clear he favors Hill.
Okie, thanks!
and thanks above for clarifying Reids position. I think I remembered that about his son.
Oh my god!…I need an editor or a spell checker BAD!
DINOSAUR and QUIET!
Here’s my John McLaughlin psuedo-science routine: PREDICTION! Friday, March28, 2008: the democratic party announces a deal has been struck to run a Clinton/Obama ticket.
NEXT!
Cant watch DICK on FOX…hope they realize every time he appears, we switch the channel! Maybe he will go away
As much as I no longer like the idea of a Clinton/Obama ticket, I could live with it. Party leaders have to think towards the future and not just November. A Clinton/Obama ticket will give the Dems a strong shot at controlling the WH for the next 16 years.
thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/03/24/obama-and-the-gay-issue-still-inconsistent-still-not-discussed/
Obama and the Gay Issue–Still Inconsistent, Still Not Discussed
by Diane Elayne Dees
March 24th, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
For several years, Barack Obama claimed he was opposed to gay marriage because of his religious faith. He belongs to a denomination that supports gay marriage, but no television host or reporter ever questioned him about this inconsistency. Now that political correspondents have learned more about Obama’s religion, he has stopped making this claim.
The entire concept of gay marriage is, of course, totally phony, though no candidate or politician dares to point this out. All marriages in this country are civil unions; there is no difference between the “civil union” of a gay couple and the “marriage” of a straight couple. Without the paperwork, a marriage is not legal, no matter how many priests are present at the wedding ceremony. Giving gay couples the right to marry is the same as giving them the right to have a “civil union,” but rather than make the obvious clear, politicians keep stepping around the non-issue. Under any system, a particular church has the right to refuse to perform a ceremony, but that is the only factor involved. Otherwise, there is no difference between two straight people going to City Hall for the paperwork, two gay people going to City Hall, two bisexual people going, etc. Read more…
well Michigan and Florida will just tell the Democratic party to kiss their asses come November.
I’m glad to be leaving the party they are a bunch of stupid dimwits who don’t deserve to be in charge of the White House. I’m ashamed of the party.
Democratic Party = LOSERS
Is there a lawyer here? I can not for the life of me understand how a judge could find the MI vote unconstitutional.
Idunn…if thhat happens, I am moving up there and we are gonna open a psychic drive-thru on a Tennessee mountain road somewhere and make a fortune off of you!
mj ask okie she is an attorney
MJ, you dolt…read Okie’s name! LOL!
Idunn, you and your predictions….
mj, just got here and haven’t read the entire thread. Of what do you speak?
Idunn…if thhat happens, I am moving up there and we are gonna open a psychic drive-thru on a Tennessee mountain road somewhere and make a fortune off of you!
LMAO! Well, we’d go broke then, because I don’t have a psychic bone in my body.;)
I know okie is