Sean, John, Elton, Indiana, Women, Generals, And Hillary Clinton

Hillary is in Pennsylvania today (not at the beach) outlining new proposals to address the housing crisis. What a great lady!

Meanwhile, in Indiana:

“Lord of the Rings” actor Sean Astin and former Maryland Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend will be joining former President Bill Clinton and his daughter Chelsea on their campaign swing Monday through Indiana.

Townsend, who’s the daughter of Robert F. Kennedy and a former Maryland lieutenant governor, will appear with Bill and Chelsea Clinton at Dyngus Day and Solidarity Day events in South Bend to support Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential bid.

Dyngus Day is a Polish holiday that celebrates the end of Lent, but in South Bend it’s more of a political event that brings out elected leaders and candidates.

Chelsea Clinton will be joined by Astin, who starred in the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy and the Notre Dame football movie “Rudy,” during an appearance in Bloomington.

Monday, March 24, 2008 at 6:45 PM – 8:30 PM
Where: Grand Foyer, Indiana University Auditorium, 1211 East 7th Street, Bloomington, IN 47405

Please join us for this wonderful event with Chelsea Clinton and Sean Astin!

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Wednesday, April 9, 2008, Radio City Music Hall
Elton John – A solo concert in support of Hillary Clinton for President

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Congressman John Murtha of Pennsylvania Endorsed Hillary last week:

U.S. Rep. John Murtha on Tuesday announced his endorsement of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, saying she is “best qualified to lead our nation.”

The Johnstown Democrat’s announcement comes as both Clinton and Democratic front-runner Barack Obama set up shop in Pennsylvania in preparation for the state’s important April 22 primary.

“I’ve known Sen. Clinton for 15 years,” Murtha said in a statement released by his campaign committee.

“I know that she continually reaches out for opinions and ideas, not just from our nation’s leaders, but from all Americans.”

Murtha is one of the most powerful Democrats in the House, and his endorsement could carry weight in the 12th Congressional District, where he has served for 34 years.

His backing carries added importance this year because he is a “superdelegate” – a party official who is free to support any candidate at the Democratic National Convention in August. [snip]

Last month, Murtha said he would not choose sides in the race and pledged to be “very careful in my evaluation of both candidates.”

In Tuesday’s statement, Murtha offered a glowing endorsement of Clinton.

“In 10 months, President Bush will leave office. Our country is worse off today than when he took office over seven years ago,” Murtha said. “Senator Clinton is the candidate that will forge a consensus on health care, education, the economy and the war in Iraq.”

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From the Out of Iraq Caucus:

”As firm opponents of the Iraq war, we believe there is no higher priority for the next President of the United States than ending this war, and we believe there is no one better prepared and more committed to bringing this war to a responsible conclusion than Hillary Clinton. The best way to honor the sacrifices of our brave young men and women in uniform is to bring them home.

Out of Iraq Caucus letter signed by:

Del. Donna Christian-Christensen (D-VI)
Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-NY)
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY)
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY)
Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA)
Rep. Richard Neal (D-MA)
Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)
Rep. Jose Serrano (D-NY)
Rep. Hilda Solis (D-CA)
Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-NY)
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH)
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA)
Rep. Diane Watson (D-CA)
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-CA)

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Planning for May (maybe meet OkieAtty):
Women For Hillary – May 7, 2008
National Women’s Convention For Hillary
The Omni Shoreham Hotel
2500 Calvert Street, NW
Washington, D.C.

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“Yesterday I donated $10.00. Today I donated $15.44 and I wish I could donate more. I am a poor college student struggling to survive financially on my own, but instead of buying extra things for myself, I am spending extra money on Hillary because I BELIEVE IN HER.”

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659 thoughts on “Sean, John, Elton, Indiana, Women, Generals, And Hillary Clinton

  1. I’m so jealous, I wish I could get one of my testimonials put on her website.

    Yes, everybody lets show Hillary our Love and that we are behind her.

  2. ok, can someone post the BC speech that is on Taylor Marsh? Someone said in the last thread, BO lifted Bill’s speech.

  3. mj, I looked that up last week and it isn’t true. It was supposeded to be lifted from Bill’s farewell speech as President.

  4. Sean Astin narrates Meerkat Manor too. It’s a hoot

    Bill emailed me for a donation today. I never say no to Bill

    (BO please go away) Thanks

  5. I thought Sean Astin was a Republican!!?!?
    Maybe he is just a strong-on-defense guy who has seen the light? Color me surprised.

  6. ya’ll I’ve pushed David Gregory real hard today on the “delegate math” and asked him to give some unbiased coverage tonight. I would like to know if he does so.

    did you see that babmi is gonna be on the View Friday .. he is still trying to backpedal it seems.

  7. well I didn’t look at the Million Man March.

    however IF somebody can find that he plaguarized Bill Clinton in his most important speech of his life..well that would be a real jewel.

  8. Good afternoon Hillfans.

    New post up re Kwame Kilpatrick with exclusive photo of KK with Nadhmi Auchi

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-degree-of-separation-obama.html

    Also have updated post on the Kerry-Obama nexus

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/follow-money-update-never-too-late-to.html

    Also a head’s up — a second article on Meeks comes out in morning but will be discussed on Hannity today.

  9. Huh, turns out Sean is a democrat.

    Okay, why were some of so sure he was a republican? Is it because he’s so safety concious> 😉

    (inside LOTR joke)

  10. From Obamapost:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-felsenthal/whos-paying-maggie-willi_b_93138.html?view=print

    Who’s Paying Maggie Williams?
    Posted March 24, 2008 | 03:14 PM (EST)

    For weeks now, it has been routinely reported that Maggie Williams, who replaced the ousted Patti Solis Doyle as Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, is working without pay. I’ve wondered about it from the first time I read it.

    This is the same Maggie Williams who worked as the First Lady’s chief of staff, with an office in the West Wing and the additional title of Assistant to the President; the same Maggie Williams who came under fire during the Clintons’ first term for allegedly removing papers from Vince Foster’s office after he committed suicide, and who, although never charged with any wrong doing, accumulated $350,000 in legal bills as a result of being hauled in front of the Senate Banking Committee and questioned about matters relating to Whitewater. She also became embroiled in President Clinton’s fundraising scandals. After Bill Clinton unhappily left the White House, Williams worked briefly as his chief of staff; successfully bringing order and goals to the initially distracted and disordered former president.

    Buzz up!on Yahoo!In Saturday’s Wall Street Journal, Mary Jacoby, T.W. Farnam and Amy Chozick report on the financial situations as of late February of the two campaigns. Obama has little debt and $32 million in the bank to devote to besting Hillary. Hillary has $11 million and has $3.7 million in debt. For the month of February, Hillary’s campaign managers paid $3.1 million to pollster/strategist Mark Penn’s firm and $608,000 to advertising adviser Mandy Grunwald’s firm, while Maggie Williams, who seems central to whatever ups the Hillary campaign has enjoyed lately, received nothing.

    Questions were raised when news broke last month that Hillary had loaned her campaign $5 million and that some of her senior staffers would be working, temporarily, without pay. But then came assurances that fundraising had picked up and everyone was being paid; everyone, apparently, except Maggie Williams.

    As far as I can tell nobody is raising the question about Williams’ payless paydays. Does it strike anyone else as odd? If Hillary wins the nomination will Williams work for free during the general election campaign? If Hillary makes it to the White House, has Williams been promised the chief of staff’s job?
    ****************************************************
    Maggie Williams must be getting in their heads for Obamapost to be featuring her.

  11. It’s funny – because I also know that Corey Feldman (Lost Boys) is a supporter of Clinton’s (saw him leaving the CA Clinton victory party)…I get Corey Haim, Corey Feldman and Sean Astin, totally mixed up.

    An old friend of mine is helping to produce a reality show called The Two Coreys (Haim and Feldman) and she said she thought about following Feldman re: his Clinton events.

  12. Yes, they are very worried. The Wright mess isn’t out of the headlines, people are still talking about it and bambi’s speech is getting ‘a second look”. Just like bambi, his speech was just hot air.

  13. Spacegirl: a belated Happy Easter to you as well. Just saw your posting. Normally champagne does not affect me this way.

  14. did everyone vote on the aol straw poll? I dont’ how reliable it is, but last week, Hillary was up several points from the week before.

    previous Hill: 52 O 47

    last week Hill: 55 O 44

    Gravel is holding strong at 1 %

  15. I actually saw Sean Astin while in TX. He looks exactly like he does on TV/film.

    I love the LOTR trilogy, but not an Astin fan, so his presence didn’t faze me. But the girls loved him. Unlike Melanie Griffith’s visit, Astin’s visit to the office was low-key. No entourage. Just Sean and Hillary’s people. He didn’t even call attention to himself. He didn’t walk around and tried to shake the volunteers’ hands. He knew we were busy — and we were!

    IDunn, I get that inside joke. LOTR has the best DVD special features. In those special features, Astin came off as a bit stiff. I know his mom is Patty Duke. She’s a bit of a political activist.

  16. Sometimes we all just need to be reminded that there’s still some beauty left in the world, I guess.

  17. Richardson bails out on the Clintons

    Whatever happened to experience? Is experience a leper? We want to change this country. But you have to have, you have to know how to do it,” he said. But that was all before Obama had become the favorite to win the nomination, a development that obviously convinced Richardson that Obama had somehow overnight gained the missing element and become experienced enough to bring about the change he promises in every speech.

    If there was more than just a hint of “and I can help” in the governor’s endorsement, who can blame him? Someone has to fill out the ticket or become secretary of state. After all, politics is all about the moment. Personal relationships seldom get in the way of practicality. So watching football games with Bill Clinton and schmoozing with Hillary Clinton hardly is any reason for them to believe they could expect at least a measure of neutrality and a touch of decency in the nominating war from their one-time friend and political beneficiary.

    What goes around comes around, however, and the Clintons understand this about as well as anyone, having been involved over their long political partnership in making some of the same decisions based on expediency. Nevertheless, Richardson’s dramatic announcement was almost Shakespearean, bringing dire predictions of Hillary Clinton’s final wound from the unkindest thrust of all. Perhaps. But it is always difficult to assess the value of endorsements, other than to note that one coming this late generally reflects the endorser’s keen sense of smell, particularly for blood.

    Richardson isn’t the first former Clinton team member to defect. The list includes former Vice President Al Gore, who eschewed his president’s support eight years ago and, many believe, lost the election because he did so. Old alliances frequently mean nothing in politics. For instance, Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, announced his support for Obama while his own vice-presidential running mate, John Edwards, was still a viable candidate.

    Loyalty is too often measured by what one has done for you lately or can do for you in the future. Richardson clearly asked those questions and felt that Hillary Clinton’s chances of answering them were fading fast.

    Whether the governor’s fellow Hispanic voters will follow to any degree remains to be seen. But he, too, should remember the cliche about reaping and sowing. Richardson seems very accomplished in the art of flexible politics. He may need to be. Long memories are customary in Washington politics. His thrust won’t be forgotten.

    http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/31744

  18. In those special features, Astin came off as a bit stiff.

    You’d come off as stiff too if your foot was nearly severed, and you’d almost bled to death!

    😉

    (sorry Sean, couldn’t resist)

  19. Carville Stands By ‘Judas’ Remark
    By Patrick Healy

    BLUE BELL, Pa. – James Carville, a political adviser to the Clintons, said this afternoon that he stood by his comment last Friday – Good Friday, to Christians – comparing Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico to Judas, even though a Clinton campaign aide said today that, if he were Mr. Carville, he would apologize for the remark.
    “I was quoted accurately and in context, and I was glad to give the quote and I was glad I gave it,” Mr. Carville said. “I’m not apologizing, I’m not resigning, I’m not doing anything.”
    Over the past Easter weekend, television news programs and other media outlets have heavily covered a remark that Mr. Carville made to The Times about Mr. Richardson’s endorsement of Senator Barack Obama. Given that Mr. Richardson held positions in the Clinton administration, and is a friend to Mrs. Clinton, the endorsement constituted an “act of betrayal,” Mr. Carville said.
    Then he added this coup de grace:

    “Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.
    Mr. Richardson shot back, saying that comment was the sort that some people around the Clintons tended to make.
    Given the media play and replay, a reporter this afternoon repeatedly asked Howard Wolfson, Mrs. Clinton’s communications director, if Mr. Carville should apologize and if the Clinton campaign tolerated that sort of rhetoric.
    At first Mr. Wolfson answered generally, saying that sort of language was not welcome, but in the end gave a fairly pointed answer.
    “You’ll have to ask James if he wants to apologize,” he said. “If I had said it, I would apologize.”
    So I called Mr. Carville again and asked if he wanted to revise his remarks or actually apologize. For several seconds he laughed – cackled might be more accurate – and then said he stood by his quote fully.
    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/carville-stands-by-judas-remark/

  20. 1950democrat Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 7:24 am
    wbboei,

    The Novak article mentioned above strongly supports much of your post.
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    1950Democrat: thank you. For your information I have refined the argument as follows:

    WHY REAGAN DEMOCRATS SUPPORT HILLARY

    Barack Obama’s 20 year relationship with racist Reverend Wright who bellows “Goddam America” from the pulpit is a dispositive factor in this election. While it may not offend the sensibilities of elites in the media, academia, legal profession and business circles, it is repugnant to a pivotal group commonly referred to as “Reagan Democrats”. Elites underestimate the magnitude of the problem because they are detached from this group and are afflicted with a sense of moral relativism.

    Reagan Democrats are an ethnically diverse people who believe in a code of self reliance, equality and individualism. They are patriotic, religious and deeply distrustful of elites. They trace their origin back to the Scots-Irish clans who settled along the American frontier, but they are not racially exclusive. Rather, they are defined and motivated by the code and values described above.

    The distinction between elites and Reagan Democrats is stark. It can be summed up in these words: “I will not be won by weaklings-subtle, and suave and mild-but by men with the hearts of Vikings-and the simple faith of a child”. (Robert Service: The Law of the Yukon, 1898).

    Reagan Democrats comprise a substantial segment of the middle class and working class population. They are well represented in the military and Congress. Typically, they do not hold top positions in elite fields. Yet, elites need their support in order to win elections and secure their policy objectives.

    In recent years, the Democratic Party has nominated a succession of elite intellectuals for the Presidency. Those elections were lost because Reagan Democrats voted against them. Barack Obama is merely the latest example of this mistake. Even so, they were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But when they learned of the racial threats and garish anti-Americanism of his spiritual advisor all bets were off. Obama repudiated them through his surrogate and now they must repudiate Obama. Sure as the earth turns, if he is the nominee they will vote against him.

    By contrast, Reagan Democrats see Hillary as one of their own- despite her extraordinary intellect and fine education. The issue of gender which made some men reluctant to support her has been marginalized by the Wright episode. Her campaign visits to communities across the country have challenged the negative caricature painted by the right wing over the past 15 years. They see Hillary as their champion fighting for them against the elite forces they despise (i.e. media whores, left wing kooks and party hacks). They share her goals and relate to her struggle on a very personal level.

    In sum, this critical group is now squarely behind Hillary and there is nothing Obama can do about it. The Wright problem which Barack never told them about has put media elites and senior party officials on the horns of a dilemma. After all, they have promoted him shamelessly to the American People but it is now clear that he cannot win the General Election. Therefore, they must find a face saving way to move away from Obama to Hillary if they hope to preserve their own credibility

  21. “I was quoted accurately and in context, and I was glad to give the quote and I was glad I gave it,” Mr. Carville said. “I’m not apologizing, I’m not resigning, I’m not doing anything.”

    I would pick up paper cups to make a clear path for James Carville. 🙂

    Way to teach the world about, stickin’ , my man!

  22. just watched Carville on Wolf Blitzer. Carville said that he has people coming up to him, and everytime they see Richardson, they think of Judas. Carville will not retract his statement and believes that the NYT’s got his statement totally in context. He said he’s good friends with David Axelrod and expects to be after this is over, but Wolf joked that he probably wouldn’t be close to Richardson again and Carville agreed.

    Next up, he compared the BO tactics of trying to call on Clinton to step out like ending a basketball game with 3.5 minutes to go. He stressed strongly that the BO campaign did everything they could to stop the revote in FL and MI, and that the superdelegates will know this. (It’s interesting because every time he says “superdelegates” he slyly looks at the monitor dead-on, like he’s talking to them directly).

  23. Carville is brilliant. The more fatass BillO goes on tv and tries to “reason” with people, the worse he and bambi look. It’s about the game and it aint been lost on the people.

    The more they dance on her grave .. she works well as underdog.

  24. Maybe this week we should contact the superdelegates with ONE thing .. why no Re-vote and why the resitance by the Obama campaign.

    Maybe someone here could word us a short letter..simple and to the fact and let the superdelegates know how we feel.

    Also, I called Pelosi’s office, twice, both numbers and lit into her. It makes me feel a hell of a lot better.

  25. I wonder what Bambi DID buy for Michelle at Tiffanys out of the campaign cash? OR…maybe he has a mistress. Hmmm…

  26. Idunn Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
    In those special features, Astin came off as a bit stiff.

    You’d come off as stiff too if your foot was nearly severed, and you’d almost bled to death!

    (sorry Sean, couldn’t resist)

    Heh.

    I actually got to see more celebrities while volunteering in TX than I ever did in CA. Whowouldathunk?

  27. Idunn, that’s another story that if it was the Clinton camp it would be BLOWN all out.

    Don’t you love that it was a “mistake” to charge this to the campaign…uh, how hard would it be to know that you can’t buy personal gifts out of your campaign funds. But, oh, excuse me again, per the Bambi.

  28. We all know Michelle Obama views government as a program for personal social mobility and as a program for the social good.

  29. I love James Carville, too — the man walks on water, as far as I’m concerned. Seriously. I wish he was more involved in this campaign, because he is a straight-shooter and tells it exactly like it is. I’d love to hear him go off on Obama — the media could use a dose of his reality.

  30. how hard would it be to know that you can’t buy personal gifts out of your campaign funds

    He knew…he just thinks he’s got some magical kinda mojo going on where he can never be caught at ANY of the BS he does. Maybe he really DOES think he’s god, who knows? 🙄

  31. Idunn Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    I wonder what Bambi DID buy for Michelle at Tiffanys out of the campaign cash? OR…maybe he has a mistress. Hmmm…

    I can think of someone, but I am withholding comment.

  32. mj .. all I know is ONE article I saw. close to $600 purchase “mistakenly” charged to the campaign credit card. The store ain’t talking “yet” ..

  33. Are we sure the purchase at Tiffany’s was for Michelle???

    Well, no. I guess he could have bought himself a nice watch or something.

  34. I can think of someone, but I am withholding comment.

    SNARF! Check Larry and see if he’s got some new bling!

  35. JAS Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
    And why the fuck do we care about Maggie Williams getting paid or not???

    Obvious, isn’t it? To embarass her campaign. To convince people HRC campaign has no money to keep going.

  36. Maybe Maggie is volunteering .. just like us. I hope she fires off a memo herself to that stupid man. Another conspiracy theory and did you notice the digs at BillC.

    Bambi is the one who said he can’t keep up with anything and expects his staff to do it all. The man’s a menace

  37. JAS Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
    And why the fuck do we care about Maggie Williams getting paid or not???

    No kidding. If I had Maggie’s skills, i would totally work for free for Hill.

    Idunn Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
    Are we sure the purchase at Tiffany’s was for Michelle???

    Well, no. I guess he could have bought himself a nice watch or something.

    Not at Tiffanys.

  38. Idunn Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
    I can think of someone, but I am withholding comment.

    SNARF! Check Larry and see if he’s got some new bling!

    Ha! But, no, that’s not who I am thinking of.

  39. An old friend of mine is helping to produce a reality show called The Two Coreys (Haim and Feldman) and she said she thought about following Feldman re: his Clinton events.

    I have one thing to say about Corey Feldman: his wife is a looker. Really, really beautiful.

    Anywho…

  40. I wonder what Bambi DID buy for Michelle at Tiffanys out of the campaign cash? OR…maybe he has a mistress. Hmmm…

    I don’t think he’s that stupid to have an affair while the eyes of the country are watching.

  41. well biig media hasn’t made a “fuss” about it. I saw one article.

    Maybe we should just shoot this story off to everbody on the media list.

    maybe he sent poor old typical white grandmother an Easter trinket .. after throwing her under the bus

  42. Someone send the Tiff story to my bitch Sean Hannity. 🙂

    I would, but…I don’t want him getting to attached to me.

  43. Hill’s not giving up on the african american vote. She has some staggering statistics about the impact of the mortgage crisis on AA communities. Also, 1/3 to 1/2 have of the subprime buyers would have been qualified for prime mortgages. They got snookered. 🙁

  44. Well, who knows? The Tiffany’s purchase could have been made by a now fired employee. But, on a side note, Filbert, you do remember Gary Hart?

  45. “Obama’s team tapped his flush campaign bank account to pay the $572.25 tab at the famed jeweler last month, recently released federal fund-raising records show.”

    Hahaha! Oh gawd please let him have a mistress or something! He’s laid up on the beach somewhere while the economy is sinking further in the shi##er. Sounds very Bush-lite to me.

  46. should have been in INDIA working in farms… BS.. first you get educated and you will end up keep working all your life bam bam bam

  47. am from southern part of INDIA… not interior south… but southern part of INDIA… you know what bill gates said “south indians are intelligent people”… hahahah 🙂

  48. Bill Richardson is a silly, silly man.
    pardyboyz.blogspot.com/2008/03/bill-richardson-is-silly-silly-man.html
    Is it just me, or is Bill Richardson looking waaaay more vato than he used to look?
    When Bill Richardson was running for President, the Governor of New Mexico had a clean shaven face, and damn near PASTY complexion. I am pretty sure he’s dyed his hair to not look as salt-and peppery as well. Now, the man looks like something straight out of American Me. dark, rich, tejano tanned skin and that silly Fu Manchu beard/mustache that is all the rage with the crazy mexican uncles. My Nino Louie sports one. I can’t help but think that its all a product of the Obama speech on race. I find it interesting that when he was running, he look very straight-laced, and most people questioned his Mexicanness. Now, there is no doubt, the dude is eating enchilada and drinking tecate(he’s also gained a few no?). usually, when candidates bow out of the race, they have someone to endorse. Bill Richardson took his time. I think it was because he had to work on his tan and grow his beard. I think it was so his outward appearance could look more Mexican so he could wrangle up that Latino vote that no one else seemed to really care about.
    really, though, when i saw him on TV, i was like, holy shit, when did Vato-man become Governor?

  49. jithendra, mea culpa. I didn’t know you live in India. No wonder why you were asking about Liberals/Conservative.

  50. Hahaha! Oh gawd please let him have a mistress or something!

    And please let there be some dna evidence.

  51. Maybe he bought something for that “Obama girl”!

    Or a “cheap Tiffany” trinket for Claire McCaskill!

  52. I see that column says Elton John is going to perform a “benefit” concert for Sen. Clinton next month. He’s a UK citizen,right? His professional services would be an ILLEGAL “in-kind contribution by a foreign national” unless he is paid his usual going rate for a for-profit concert; so, are they going to PAY him? If so, it’s hardly a “benefit”.
    *************************************************
    Can somebody answer this question?

  53. Judging from the numerous posts here about Richardson… why do you care who he endorsed? No one outside of NV really cares. I don’t think he has that much leverage now.

    Sure he’s ungrateful. Sure he was disingenuous when he talked about the importance of experience or that he made up his mind after Obama’s race speech.

    He’s a consummate political social climber. He’s an opportunist who sees a greener pasture on BO’s side.

  54. This is what I loke about Carville..his his straight up hard boiled take no prisoner style..he just let Richardson know..he sold out and Carville no longer respects him!…you know this affected Richardson..who sung the song with the words” you’re no good, you’re no good, youre’no good, babyy, you’re no good” think Richardson….if BHO thinks he has this sewn up why not let it play out? like JonnyMac did with Huckabee?

  55. Idunn Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    Please let her be the nanny!

    The SEVENTEEN year old nanny!

    You are so baaaad!

    But, really, this is a bizarre campaign purchase, and I think they ought to be more transparent.

  56. Listening to Hannity while working and sad to say, the jeremiah Wright issue is no longer front and center. Hannity does mention it but spent much of his time on the other scandals: the mcCarthy accusations, the blue dress, Hillary not under fire in Bosnia, the Richardson betrayal. Either BM has gotten hold of Hannity or BO’s camp has been effective in their all-out divert and dismiss strategy.

    🙁

    PS – don’t even tune into CNN and MSNBC at ALL anymore. I just listen to talk radio.

  57. carby, perhaps he’s a dual citizen.

    I believe that’s pretty commonplace for British musicians. Keeps the UK tax man at bay.

  58. filbertsf
    you are so right..but BM made much of the endorsement…I think everybody realizes it does not mean much now…

  59. Ann,

    Unfortunately, the same point has been raised on Hannity. If Richardson maanges to get traction out of his slimy endorsement and it works against HRC I’m gonna be sick.

    I so wish Carville would take over.

  60. Hannity has caught a lot of heat. Just give him time. He has to be “fair” and “balanced”. Be patient. Nothing like drip,drip,drip

  61. JWright could not stay on the font page forever…but it is still there just beneath the surface…Bho camp apologized for the blue dress remark, from what he said. As far as the Bill Clinton questioning bho patriotism..media looking for something to chew on…

  62. Message from Bill:
    —-
    Dear Democrats,

    You and I both want Hillary to win. So let me be frank about the challenge our campaign faces right now.

    It couldn’t be any simpler than this: we cannot be competitive politically unless we are competitive financially — and right now we are at a financial disadvantage. The Obama campaign is already spending more than $1 million on an aggressive ad buy in Pennsylvania. For us to win, we have to:

    * Fund critical voter contact efforts in Pennsylvania.
    * Get our ads on the air in Pennsylvania’s six separate media markets to avoid being overwhelmed by a $1 million, four-day Obama campaign TV ad blitz.
    * Produce a massive get-out-the-vote effort as April 22 approaches.
    * Put more resources into our campaign in Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, Oregon, Puerto Rico, and West Virginia so that we can capitalize on our momentum coming out of Pennsylvania.

    Despite the spirited support from Hillary’s best supporters, including you, we are still being outraised and outspent by the Obama campaign. He outspent us by more than $10 million in February alone. Let’s close the gap so Hillary can win in Pennsylvania, keep on winning, and be our next president.

    Your contribution of $50 came right as we needed it, and I would not ask again if it were not so important. Will you renew your commitment to our victory today with a $75 gift?

    Contribute today to help Hillary win.

    Just like Hillary, you’ve worked hard to get us this far. We cannot let up our efforts now and let this race be decided by a shortfall of funds.

    One thing I know for sure about Hillary — if we give her the support she needs, she will never let us down, not as a candidate and not as president. She’ll work just as hard for you in the White House as she is on the campaign trail.

    Let’s match Hillary’s efforts with our own. Contribute to help us raise as much as we can by midnight tonight.

    I appreciate everything you are doing for Hillary so much. Let’s keep working and winning.

    Sincerely,
    Bill Clinton
    Bill Clinton

  63. ADMIN,

    iv’e read ‘lord of the rings’ 3 times a year, for the last 34 years, and that
    is now lie…

    (SHUT UP the person about to make a haters remark!)

    SO AS I WAS SAYING, i also watch the movies, about every 4 months, so good thing i know samwise is voting hillary, cause now she has my vote forsure…

  64. carbynew, unless we have the complete statute from which to refer to – instead of relying on the posters interpretation — I don’t know how to respond.

  65. Well, Hill needs to put that Kabosh on the bosnia story. She maybe misremembered but she needs to kill it.

  66. Well finally my peseverance of a YEAR’s work on my sister paid off today.

    Here in CA, I had to make sure she got registered to vote and that she and her family did actually vote for hillary in Feb. It was an effort since they are always travelling or too busy!

    But today, on a friendly sister to sister call, we discussed my time in TX helping out Hillary; and my sister – “yes one who has not given any money to a political candidate” – said she will give $250.00!

    So she (or my niece) will be coming to a fundraiser with me next week! By that time, I will be maxed out for the primary….so I will have to other things to help!

    Ain’t that great!

  67. 3,000 cheer Hillary

    By FREDA SAVANA
    The Intelligencer

    More than 3,000 people turned out to hear Hillary Clinton Monday as she addressed an enthusiastic crowd at Montgomery County Community College in Whitpain.

    Comparing the country to “a great big family,” she touched on many issues key to women, including health care, education and ending the war in Iraq.

    She spoke at some length about equal pay for equal work, noting that April 22, primary election day in Pennsylvania, is “Equal Pay Day” in the country.

    “The issue of equality is a family issue,” Clinton said. She drew a round of applause when she said she supports better access to higher education and will de-fund No Child Left Behind, a controversial law that connects a school’s funding to its test scores.

    But health care dominated much of her nearly hour long speech.

    It’s “peace of mind,” for women, who in many cases are the “designated worrier” in the family, said the senator.

    “Health care is a constant worry” for millions of Americans, said Clinton. “Can they play sports…what if something happens?” she questioned parents.

    Her universal health care program would offer the same benefits that members of Congress enjoy to any American who would want it, she said to resounding applause.

    http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-03242008-1508208.html

  68. Taylor Marsh has the video of the latest outrageous sermon by the new Rev. Otis Moss of Obama’s church delivered on Easter Sunday.

    What is the deal with his reference to Roman News Network, National Publican Radio, Jerusalam Post, and Palestine Times? That sounds crazy. What the hell is he referring to here?

  69. iv’e read ‘lord of the rings’ 3 times a year, for the last 34 years, and that
    is no lie…

    Got ya beat…I’ve actually studied the language of Sindarin.

  70. Is there someone here who lives in the Virgin Islands?

    Spill the beans. Or at the very least, toss me some bread crumbs. I’ll make coffee and try to follow the trail.

  71. Roman News Network = Fox News Network hahahha 🙂
    ohhh dear lord give some more power to FOX news…

  72. When I look at Carville the song from Cops blares through my head.

    “Bad boys Bad Boys
    What ya gonna Do?
    What ya gonna do when I come for you?”

    And then I imagine a hooded cobra rising from a snake charmers basket and he’s swaying side to side seemingly hypnotized, eyes closed and then suddenly his eyes pop open and he strikes.

    Dot, what kind of letter were you thinking of? I need a short specific project.

  73. Basil .. superdelegate letter that pushs the fact that the votes in FL and MI must be counted, otherwise, the nominee will not be considered legit. Also, weave in that both states were ready to go and Obama camp pushed it down.

  74. Filbert…..you might think that nobody under such scrutiny would fool around but they do. Besides, what scrutiny is BO under?

    On another note: Dems can refuse to seat delegates but cannot refuse to count voters. They have already been counted. If they choose to pretend that Hillary didn’t win them, that’s their delusion but we should count those votes in every discussion of popular votes. Let the Obamas say they won’t count the voters because they don’t like their votes or alternatively they won’t count the votes because they don’t like the voters.

  75. Dot,

    Maybe you’re right. I guess I’ve become hooked on the daily BO bashing Hannity and Rush have been providing coz while they’re riveted on HWNSNBS they forget all about HRC and just NOT hearing her being crucified has been such a relief . . . I know i could just stop listening . . . but then I’m really not gonna know anything that’s going on.

    Let me know letter details and maybe I’ll focus on that tonight..

  76. Idunn Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
    skmf12 + Idunn = bonafide geeks

    Nai Valaraukar tye-mátar!

    Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

  77. LOL……I just realized i was the only one left in the other diary here……I posted this on there but now that your here 😀
    I am reposting it here:

    Ok, here is something I shared with Fran who was posting here but wanted to share here myself
    And until now I couldn’t,but i have emailed it the admin here as well as rush and hannity. so i am hopeful
    this will get out , I don’t know who to send this to so that hillary will get it… I have read many of you
    talk about sending things to Hillary via “tips” but when i go to the web site i don’t see that link
    so i always email to her under “issues”…..is there a better place to send important information quickly??

    I was researching something and came upon this link by accident, its well hidden actually, when you go to the
    home page of this site I couldn’t find a link to this page i have linked to here……..wonder why??
    but this raised my eyebrows and begged me to ask a few questions as well….

    Notice the dates of the this conference, obama was a member, with a law background, specifically a constitutional law background
    and being a big financial contributor to this church and his “family” closeness to the Reverend

    all this begs one to ask questions and seek answers; Was obama helping this church to write and file this ? Would obama purposely try to hurt American whites this way? If he did how can he say he’s not racist against whites?
    so many questions yet to be asked and answered!!!!

    millionsforreparations.com/theologicalresolution.html

    RESOLUTION REGARDING REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY

    Submitted by TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST and UNIVERSITY CHURCH

    There can be no dispute that Africans were forcefully and through deceit, stolen from Africa, oppressed, abused physically, emotionally and psychologically, and forced to work without pay – the highest and most inhumane form of theft. The law as well as New Testament says if something has been stolen – repayment four fold is required, i.e., reparations.

    There can be no doubt that one of the aftermaths of this horrible tragedy and smear on American history and greatness, is racism both institutional and personal, along with its pervasive counter part white supremacy, which has produced a deep malaise of the human spirit in a whole race of people. There can be no dispute that community is broken – remaining unreconciled, and in need of restoration. There has yet to be an official apology (repentance) for this great suffering and tragedy. This great suffering as aptly noted and described by Non-governmental Organizations and African Nations meeting as a part of the African Regional Preparatory Conference for the UN World Conference Against Racism, in January 2001 has resulted in, substantial and lasting economic, political and cultural damage caused to the descendants of the victims, the perpetuation of the prejudice against Africans on the continent of people of the African descent in the Diaspora, including and specifically the United States of America.
    We need advocacy, as called for by the prophet Isaiah, by a people of God for a new community.

    Both reparations and advocacy for a new community will demonstrate as it did for Zacchaeus – that salvation has truly come. We need repentance, restitution, restoration and reconciliation.

    The following resolution on Reparations for African Americans, supported by this theological rationale and others, will assist the
    members of the Illinois Conference United Church of Christ to indeed embrace repentance, restitution, restoration and reconciliation as called for in the Law, by the prophets and as demonstrated in the teaching of Jesus.

    but it is this that i found the most interesting of the entire website article:
    Quote
    BACKGROUND:

    Members of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the United Church of Christ began conversations on the issue of reparations for slavery following the Disciples Justice Action Network-sponsored Justice Jubilee 2000 gathering in Tulsa, Oklahoma in September 2000. It was noted that awareness and discussion of this issue occurs almost exclusively among African American clergy and those churches they serve, but is also a justice issue long overdue for the serious attention of Christian citizens motivated by faith and tradition. Members of two Illinois Conference congregations – Trinity UCC, Chicago and University Church, Chicago – have held church school classes and study groups on reparations.

    as well as this section:
    Quote
    SUMMARY:

    This resolution calls upon the Illinois Conference of the United Church of Christ, its Associations, its local churches, and other
    related agencies, to be educated about the historical evils of the slave trade and its legacy which is a pernicious and self perpetuating distrust and fear that continues to feed the sin of racism and its fruits of inequality and injustice. It further calls upon the Conference to take actions in support of reparations.

  78. Record Number of Pa. Democrats Registered
    By Katharine Q. Seelye

    PHILADELPHIA — Democratic voter registration in Pennsylvania has hit a record of more than 4 million voters.
    “It’s kind of incredible,” Harry Van Sykle, the state’s elections commissioner, tells The Caucus as his office prepares to post the new numbers. “It’s the first time we know of that a party in Pennsylvania has gone over 4 million.”
    A total of 4,044,952 people are now registered to vote in the Democratic primary; a total of 3,215,478 are registered for the Republican primary.
    The deadline for registering for the April 22 primary is today, and volunteers for both Senator Barack Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton are still out on the streets here trolling for last-minute registrants. The final official numbers will be tallied later.

    Mr. Van Sykle said he has told elections officials in the state’s 67 counties to prepare for a massive turnout on primary day. “We’ve told them, whatever you’re expecting, increase it by 30 or 40 percent,” he said.
    The Obama campaign has been aiming at the groups that have supported Mr. Obama in other states, including students, Independents and Republicans. The breakdowns for new Democratic registrations by county was not immediately available, Mr. Van Sykle said, but in the last week alone, 29,060 people have switched their registrations to vote Democratic while just 1,375 switched to Republican.
    We’ll have further breakdowns for you shortly.
    Also, in a sign that Mr. Obama, who is behind in the polls here, is going to contest the state vigorously, his campaign announced today that he would tour the state by bus, just like in Iowa. His tour is to start Friday in Western Pennsylvania and work its way east by Wednesday. The Clinton camp has also been planning a bus tour here but has not announced its plans yet.
    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/record-number-of-pa-democrats-registered/
    ***************************************************
    It’s very important that we treat PA as we did OHIO and TEXAS a MUST WIN STATE. Now that registration is over it’s time to hit the phones, blog contact all the papers and forget about the polls and the media…it’s time for the ground war.

  79. Any news in NC? Has Hillary set up any offices there yet? I know Ace Smith is tapped to head NC.

    I’m being told that Obama is opening offices in Oregon. He’s campaigning aggressively there.

  80. Hillary’s press release today about Obama taking $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans should be in an ad in PA. Obama is running his “lobbyists have no place in his campaign and will not have a place in his WH” ad in local Phila. market and I am sure all over the state.

  81. all this begs one to ask questions and seek answers; Was obama helping this church to write and file this ? Would obama purposely try to hurt American whites this way? If he did how can he say he’s not racist against whites?

    I think we should give any and all former slaves reparations. Are there any still living?

  82. Incidentally, I also am in favor of giving all WHITE former indentured servants reparations, since THAT was outright slavery also. Are any of THEM still living?

  83. I don’t see how reparations “hurt” white americans. Reparations in the form of well funded community centers will and should happen sometime in the near future, IMO.

  84. Admin:

    Good clip. Love juan Williams. But wasn’t it from last week? Williams says something about the speech being yesterday and that would be last Tuesday, no?

    Annbritt,
    Apparently ‘Sinbad” was with the group accompanying HRC to Bosnia and claims he saw something very different from what was reported. I never liked that guy.
    All – a funny Rushism today, referring to a perky young anchor woman as an “Anchorette.” 🙂

  85. mj: yes I wrote it myself. I think it is true and I think it is a narrative we should be promoting for anyone who wants to use it to support Hillary.

    Foreign affairs expert Russell Mead speaks of four groups who affect American Foreign policy-Hamiltionians, Jeffersonians, Wilsonians and Jacksonians. I see Reagan Democrats are fundamentally Jacksonians therefore I have used his definition to support my theme.

    The idea that Reagan Democrats are not a racially exclusive group but one that is defined by a code and set of beliefs is based on the observations made by Senator James Webb in his excellent book “Born Fighting-The Story of The Irish In America”. I see that as an important wedge issue in the Barack coalition.

    My great grandfather was in the Yukon during the 1898 Gold Rush. Whether or not he knew Robert Service I will never know.

  86. MJ,

    I fully support lifting up the poor and having programs to aid and support education,new business loans etc

    but i took this reparations as they want “white” Americans to “pay” for their ancestors acts in slavery

    well…..how would one go about that in the first place?

    I know for one that my ancestors were not here in America during that period in time…..so should my tax dollars go to paying those who suffered ?

  87. my job treats me like a slave, does that count?????

    No, it doesn’t ya whiner. Get off your ass and go get a better job!

  88. so, there are 4 million registered dems now in PA… tell me hillary will get 2 million votes and bambi will get 1 million votes… how about that.. does anyone observe some kind of movement in PA voters

  89. djia Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    MJ,

    I fully support lifting up the poor and having programs to aid and support education,new business loans etc

    but i took this reparations as they want “white” Americans to “pay” for their ancestors acts in slavery

    Yeah, so? Actually, the entire tax paying community will pay for some form of reparations, as has been in countries around the world dozens of times. It’s the right thing to do. However, doling out checks would be counterproductive. It will be something along the lines of community centers.

  90. She has to straighten out this Bosnia thing, now.

    It’s NOT that big a deal. Bambi-tards are grasping at damned straws. Let ’em grasp. 🙄

  91. Idunn, of course not! It’s the descendants.

    I don’t believe in reparation and it’s not because I’m insensitive to the issue of race and the ante-bellum South. I don’t see it as useful purpose. You know the addage, “the only thing an actor owes his audience is a good performance,” well, the only thing America owes the descendants of slaves is to ensure our laws treat everyone equally and fairly. It ensure that schoolchildren never forget the past and never to repeat it.

    Moreover, if we do give reparation for descendants of slaves, it would create a bureaucratic nightmare. AA would have to prove that they are descendants of slaves.

  92. mj,
    If you support US paid reparations do you feel the same way about the African countries that facilitated and initiated slave trading in the first place, from capturing their own people and selling them not only to Europeans but to other Africans?

    Sorry, but I totally disagree with reparations. Have you ever seen this film, by an African filmaker, about Africa’s role in promoting slavery?
    A remarkable African film about the subject is Roger Gnoan M’Bala’s “Adanggaman,” showing at the Film Forum until tomorrow. The human complexity of the characters gives tragic dimension to the tale of Africans enslaving other Africans or selling them to Europeans.

  93. jithendra – I think some of that movement might be Republicans too registering for the Dem primary – only because there’re done with their own primaries, and now, they’re free to vote for Hillary!

  94. mj

    what do you want her to say? She gave her version and sinbad has his…the bottom line is that she went to a war zone..and all that entails…at some point in time people will believe or not…no one can deny she was there..she can talk til the cows come home..either they believe or not

  95. @idunn

    do you observe any kind of movement going on at grass root levels in PA when you speak with people

  96. It will be something along the lines of community centers.

    Where and what communities? What would be the criteria and who should benefit?

    It’s not like descendants of slaves are huddle in one area.

  97. Senator Clinton must use her advantages in winning Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Indiana. If she can do these three, then the nomination is hers and hers only.

    For the first of the four weeks left in Pennsylvannia, I suggest she use a two path tour blanketing Pennsylvannia. Start with Hillary from the East working her way West, and Bill from the West, working her way to the East.And, while the two are working their way down every town and city along the way, Chelsea should be shoring up support and new volunteers in big colleges, universities, etc, as well as small ones.

    This successful blanketing should also be used as strategy to draw out many more volunteers, perhaps first time volunteers. Drawing out at least 10-60 in each town or city depending on the size of the town/city should suffice to start independent canvassing, phone banking, and GOTV efforts.

    After this is successfully done and both Hillary AND Bill C have covered each and every Pennsylvania nook and cranny, sned surrogates like Maxine Waters to Philadelphia, Rendell, bayh, Strickland, and many others to lead canvassing and GOTV/volunteer-sign up operations throughout the state as Hillary and Bill go to North Carolina.

    The Second Week: In North Carolina, the two should focus on a North South blanketting with Hillary starting from the North and Bill starting from the South, working their way past and eventually in each other’s respective spots. Along the way, volunteer recruitment as well as voter registration should be heavily emphasized with people like Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, and other prominent African Americans making appearances in heavily African American locales. Encouraging volunteers from other states to assault border towns as well as building up large volundeteer bases to canvass, phone bank, and GOTV should suffice.

    Their third week should be spent doing a good whomping of Indiana. here, North to SOuth should be applied again, with Hillary coming from the South this time and evntually the two meeting up in the capital of Indiana. Keeping Bayh here, and possibly having TSrickland cross from Penn to Indiana intermittently should help….sending volunteers from Ohio and other surrounding states should be very helpful.

    After respectively blanketting these three large states, Hillary should spend the last and final week before the Penn primaries in Pennsylvannia, with Hillary concentrating on rural areas where she does best and Bill going to urban areas where he can push the vote. Any attacks and comparitive ads should be released at this time to blanket the media radio-wise, tv-wise, and internet-wise. Chelsea and other young surrogates for HIllary should blanket each college and university, doing daily Hillary events to stem any Barack Obama advantages.

  98. What I heard today was that people are angry. I called for almost an hour and only got one caller who was still thinking of voting for Bambi, and even that person was having doubts. Maybe it was just my call list, I dunno.

  99. lninla, how do you know if those Pugs will vote for Hillary? I think they smell blood in the water and Obama can not possibly win the GE.

  100. filbertsf Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    It will be something along the lines of community centers.

    Where and what communities? What would be the criteria and who should benefit?

    It’s not like descendants of slaves are huddle in one area.

    Poor african american communities. I really think that the reality is this will happen at some point.

  101. Idunn re Virgin Islands – a RW visitor. Isn’t that where BO is supposed to be or did I miss something?

    Also, more updates to the Kerry article. A little birdy sent me info.

  102. anyone want to bet that Obama is visiting with his white grandma during this “vacation” to keep her from getting mad and disowning him? 😀

  103. Idunn re Virgin Islands – a RW visitor. Isn’t that where BO is supposed to be or did I miss something?

    That’s where I’ve heard he was, yeah. Is there now some doubt?

    I do find it curious that there would be absolutely zero coverage of his visit in any Virgin Island papers.

    But, I dunno.

  104. MJ,

    I agree with no doling out checks and that community centers and government funded programs to help poverty be lifted up not for one race but for all races, anyone in the lower income bracket.

    my point of posting this information was and is, Obama has packaged and selling himself as the UNITER, one who would like to transcend racism

    but if it can be proven that he was apart of these TUCC member meetings,classes and helped to write this reparations
    for AA people only . it would then prove he is not who he has packaged himself to be.

    how can he then say he is a uniter and transcends racism??

  105. filberts – I don’t. But Limbaugh has been calling on them to cross-over and vote for Clinton and so have other conservative radio talk show hosts – saw one last night from PA on Fox News.

    The Repubs serve their purpose by extending this contest as long as possible – all the way to Convention floor for the Dems.

    There’s no way BO will win in PA, so logically, I don’t see why Repubs would cross-over to vote for him. Anyway, I think of this is as justified retribution for BO’s despicable Dem for a Day, and how they helped him win in earlier states.

  106. i think Obama is in Hawaii, holed up in his Grandma’s condo and apologizing so she doesn’t make any *gasp* public appearances.

  107. I disagree with the wording of the TUCC reparations proposal. I do think we will at some point invest in reparations. And, I think it’s a good thing. Yes, it zeros in on one community, the community whose ancestors were enslaved. Seems perfectly fair to me.

  108. Just gave another $25.44. I will chalk that up to my republican rebate which is coming in the mail soon I hope.

    I wish they would come up with some Rezko material before too long. We still have a lot of things we don’t know about Mr. Secretive. Its about time some of those secrets were spilled. How do you hang around Rezko for 20 years and never take a bribe or kickback? Its like going to church for 17 years and never hearing the pastor.

  109. MJ, but that’s not how it works. The fed gov’t can not just select a “poor AA community” at random. It’s a monetary restitution that corrects a wrong. So in order to claim it, you have to have been part of that “wronged class of persons.” The recipient would have to prove he is a descendant of a slave.

    A “community” can not be a recipient b/c “community” is not a person. An individual or group of individual can donate it to the community, but I don’t think that’s what you’re talking about.

  110. Filbert, disagree. An apology and a number of well funded community centers(no proff needed) will suffice.

  111. How can anyone refuse Bill Clintons request for donations LOL. I believe this is his own heartfelt message, not something he just signed on to.

    I really wish that Hillary had more money to use for the primary vs the general.

    I never contributed until after Feb 5 and I’m getting close now (personally) to the limit.. hubby still has a way to go though.

  112. mj says: disagree with the wording of the TUCC reparations proposal. I do think we will at some point invest in reparations. And, I think it’s a good thing. Yes, it zeros in on one community, the community whose ancestors were enslaved. Seems perfectly fair to me.

    I believe we are each entitled to our own opinion, as such you are entitled to yours on reparations…I would like to keep the focus of the TUCC reparations and how it may or may not be connected to Obama and what his campaign is packaged to be about.

  113. Fox showed a picture on Obama on the beach .. with a kid. Capture underneath “whoaBama” .. didn’t catch the whole thing.

  114. mj, I’m speaking of the legal ramification of reparations and you’re talking about fundamental fairness. One has legal consequences and the other is just your bleeding-heart liberalism showing, mj.

  115. filbertsf Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
    Any news in NC? Has Hillary set up any offices there yet? I know Ace Smith is tapped to head NC.
    ——————————————————————
    I spoke to the campaign last week and they told me they had not opened an office in North Carolina yet. I plan to go in there, maybe to Penn and I am a delegate here in Washington. At least Texas is done for me. Dance card is getting full.

  116. I want to ask something and perhaps offer an idea as to how to help Hillary get more positive press.

    It is clear that Hillary is being marginalized just as John Edwards was… I think getting MSM to give her “positive” press is not so likely to happen, i was really pissed today when they put that A$$ in Detroit all day long over Hillary’s speech on a real to the heart of every Americans issue “It’s the economy stupid”

    anyways…..I think what needs to happen is to get the local press to notice the HRC supporters rather than Hillary herself
    they need to see the support, beyond the polls

    how to get that done? perhaps its a gather on street corners with great big signs to cars passing by, huge signs over freeways (standing on bridge over passes) just something that will get local media’s attention…..people watch the local news more over than they do CNN etc… well those that ae not political junkies like us that is 😀

  117. From an Obama supporters post elsewhere:

    Where did everyone come up with the idea that those of us who are Obama supporters are simply supporting him because he’s black. I am supporting him because he’s AWESOME, not because he is black or male or tall or skinny.

    Yeah, he’s rad. He’s like…my dude. 🙄

  118. wbboei, the thing is, Texas is not done yet. The County Convention is this week (I think) and the Clinton team is waging a serious battle. Because of the chaotic nature and the violations of the caucuses, the story isn’t over yet.

    As for NC, I’m starting to realize the importance of NC. I might skip PA and save the money on Ind and NC. After all, every state is important to Hillary now. We can’t afford to lose any states.

    As for Oregon, I’m not sure what’s going on there. Maybe a little too early, but I’ve heard Obama is setting up shop there already.

  119. from one of the posters at TM (makes Hillary sound like Rambo):

    listen:

    RE: the Bosnia trip, here’s what I got from a poster at TL. And there’s an article from the time that has Sinbad saying it was more dangerous than the thought–referencing ‘crips and bloods.’

    [apologies for the length]

    …She did visit two outposts outside of the base camp in Tuzla without the celebrities there for the USO tour.

    Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal “thank you, thank you, thank you” to U.S. troops.

    But this was a day of celebration and celebrities – a day for the U.S. troops helping to uphold the Bosnian peace accord. Mrs. Clinton hosted a USO show with comedian Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crow and briefly addressed the gathering.

    But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.

    Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a “separation zone,” the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

    Security was tight – fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla – but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.
    Lexis – By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

    Another report:

    THE First Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton, visited her country’s troops at their fortified outposts in north-eastern Bosnia today and said their peacekeeping work was “extraordinary to behold”.

    Mrs Clinton’s helicopter flight to Camp Alicia, home of a mechanised infantry outfit and a combat engineer batallion 15 miles east of Tuzla, took her over burned out villages and farm houses whose roofs had been blown off in the fierce fighting before last December’s Paris peace agreement ended the 43 -month-old war in Bosnia.

    A machine gun emplacement guarded the entrance of the outposts and marked Bosnian minefields were visible outside its perimeter.

    After lunch with the troops in a makeshift dining hall surrounded by sandbags, she flew on to Camp Bedrock south of Tuzla to visit an army field hospital.

    Mrs Clinton, who later returned to Tuzla for a show starring singer Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, said she was “amazed at how much has been accomplished in such a short period of time” by US troops in Bosnia.
    Source – Lexis – The Herald (Glasgow), March 26, 1996

    And she did spend some time in the cockpit 😉

    So it was probably no accident that the C-17 pilot was a woman, Capt. Cheryl Beineke of Ohio. She is among just four female C-17 pilots out of about 100 in the Air Force.

    “I’m loving every minute of this,” the pilot said after Mrs. Clinton spent several minutes in the cockpit.
    Source – Lexis – By RON FOURNIER, AP International, March 25, 1996

  120. filberts – I think you should go to NC or IN. I”m probably heading to PA due to my schedule in May, I won’t be able to make NC and IN (where I think the vote will be closer), but PA will be good – point is to give her the highest popular win possible.

  121. I want to ask something and perhaps offer an idea as to how to help Hillary get more positive press.

    It is clear that Hillary is being marginalized just as John Edwards was… I think getting MSM to give her “positive” press is not so likely to happen, i was really pissed today when they put that A$$ in Detroit all day long over Hillary’s speech on a real to the heart of every Americans issue “It’s the economy stupid”
    ***************************************************
    Forget about it, the media is in the tank for Obama. So we need to focus on the voters of Pennsylvania and not get distracted. Obama is going to get the MSM messiah treatment when he does his BUS TOUR so get prepared for it. THE MSM is in the TANK for the “annoited one” and they’re trying to push Hillary out of this race.

    But we’re FIGHTERS and NOT going to disenfrancise the American voters.

  122. Ininla, many of the Texas people I know are heading to PA. Some are there already. So if I go to PA, I think I’ll be in good company. However, I do think NC and Ind need more help than PA.

    Do you know where you may be headed? I have friends who are in Scranton and Philly.

  123. arbynew Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Forget about it, the media is in the tank for Obama. So we need to focus on the voters of Pennsylvania and not get distracted. Obama is going to get the MSM messiah treatment when he does his BUS TOUR so get prepared for it. THE MSM is in the TANK for the “annoited one” and they’re trying to push Hillary out of this race.
    But we’re FIGHTERS and NOT going to disenfrancise the American voters.
    ********************************************************************************
    Yes, i know you are, but you might serve both purposes with the signs, you will be reaching many voters as they drive by,walk by and perhaps engage in a conversation with them…..perhaps take it to a mall parking lot and talk to people as they walk to their cars… and at the end of the day they will see large groups of support in one place rather than one or two at their door……this would speak volumes by it’s self. People tend to support the candidate that “seems” to have the most suppot. Due to their need to be with the Majority or the winner if you will 😀
    your signs could have info on Hillary’s plans on the issues

  124. NC is warm enough right now, how about organizing local “car washes” you will get local media coverage and all $$ can be hillary donations 😀 they would of course need to post who the $$ is going too, and they would need sign something when they pay that would also need to be sent to the Campaign.

  125. just an FYI – Howard Stern is either a supporter of Clinton, or anti-Obama or both.

    and today, Sirius and XM radio merger was approved by the courts – so that means millions of shockjock listeners will be listening to Stern play Wright’s speeches looped over and over. Down with BO!

  126. just had another thought ….you could call the car wash event something like this “it will take another clinton to clean up after another bush”

  127. djia… wow, Obama’s doing a bus tour? The irony couldn’t be any thicker: we all know that Clinton/Gore literally “invented” the bus tour, back in ’92.

  128. When Hillary takes the oath of office, I do hope Richardson packs up for a long exile. He’ll certainly be blackballed.

  129. birdgal
    – Yes. Here in Phildelphia Hillary is getting attention although in comparison to Barack its less. Although Barack’s for two weeks has been extremely negative so thats why he is at the forefront of local media coverage. In my experience the local media treats Hillary with dignity and respect (unlike cable entertainment networks). They cover events, show her with Rendell and Nutter. Newspaper wise I read many positive articles about Hillary every week from papers across PA. About her family roots in Scranton to why PA is “Clinton Country”. PA is responding great to Hillary.

  130. Berkeley Vox Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    djia… wow, Obama’s doing a bus tour? The irony couldn’t be any thicker: we all know that Clinton/Gore literally “invented” the bus tour, back in ‘92.

    HUH?? LOL

  131. filberts – I will probably head to Philly – though Scranton and Harrisburg aren’t far. A friend of mine was also transferred from TX to Scranton, and it’s definitely Hillary country in Scranton with the Rodhams living a few miles away from campaign office.

    If you call the PA coordinator, I heard they will assign you to wherever they need you – you could end up in Amish country like Lancaster…but I want to do more gay/lesbian outreach, and so feel like I need to head to bigger cities.

  132. Ininla, do you have the number to the PA coordinator? I want to be sent where I’m needed, but I also need to plan where I’ll be staying and such.

  133. @dija: fyi… its snowing in many parts of NC today… dont know how long this coldfront is going to last… but its probably a little early for car washes

  134. Yuck, I just caught a moment of CNN and they are saying what if she wins all these states but doesn’t catch up in overall pop/pledged vote? You’d think they would ask, what if she does? Gee, if you take FL and MI into account he doesn’t have much of a lead.

  135. mp, OR is a definitely for me. I live in CA and there’s no excuse for people like me to not go to the border states. Hell, I can just get in my car and drive there.

    PA, NC, and Ind are a different story…

  136. Carville: Controversial Judas comment ‘had the desired effect’
    Posted: 05:00 PM ET

    WASHINGTON (CNN) – Clinton campaign adviser James Carville said Monday that he stood behind his controversial weekend comment that compared Bill Richardson’s decision to back Barack Obama to the betrayal of Jesus by Judas – a statement the New Mexico governor termed “gutter tactics.”

    “He quoted me accurately and in context,” Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign manager told Wolf Blitzer on CNN’s The Situation Room. “I think the statement had the desired effect. It was what I said.”

    Carville, a former Clinton White House adviser told the New York Times Saturday that Richardson’s endorsement “came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic.”

    On Monday, Carville said he hadn’t spoken with Hillary Clinton about Richardson’s endorsement, but that he was outraged by the development, given the New Mexico governor’s history with both the New York senator and her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

    Richardson served in two different cabinet positions under President Clinton, and watched this year’s Super Bowl with him.

    Carville’s latest comments came hours after Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters that he would not have made the remark, and would have apologized for it.

    But Carville, a CNN commentator, was unapologetic, telling CNN he knew the impact his words would have. “I doubt if Governor Richardson and I will be terribly close in the future,” he said, but “I’ve had my say….I got one in the wheelhouse and I tagged him.”

    –CNN Associate Political Editor Rebecca Sinderbrand
    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/24/carville-controversial-judas-comment-had-the-desired-effect/

  137. filberts – check your email.

    re: housing, I believe the smaller cities will have more housing because they have a few empty houses the volunteers are staying in.

    Anyway, I hope you’ll also consider NC – I would rather go there but can’t because I’ll be headed to france in May but could vicariously live the experience through you!

  138. divabunny Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    @dija: fyi… its snowing in many parts of NC today… dont know how long this coldfront is going to last… but its probably a little early for car washes

    *******************************************************************************
    Bummer! It’s warm and snow is gone here in NW Iowa 😀

    but, it will take time to organize such a drive and by then it will be warm and sunny in NC! 😀
    this would do many things, get press, gain $$ for HRC, and get a huge opportunity to meet and talk to voters

  139. Richardson is going to be on Larry King – I think tonight…

    Maybe this will become a shit throwing match between Richardson and Carville. Certainly, Richardson’s beard makes him look more like Judas.

  140. Important post from TM:

    Howard Stern, Clinton supporter, and top rated show on satellite radio with millions of listeners each week played extended segments of the infamous and diabolical “God Damn America Sermon” brought to you by Jeremiah Wright. Disgusting. He said the abominable like 5 times with an unmistakable wrath and the church was praising him and hallelujahing him to no end. He also spoke of the military might of the west and with gleeful intonation said how the victims fight back by taking their lives out of necessity (suicide bombers). Howard was livid. He said, “That fucking nut sounds happy about suicide bombers.”

    It wasn’t pretty. None of this mess is. Sheer lunacy to give Obama the nomination now.
    MVsprings | 03.24.2008 – 6:18 pm | #

  141. mj,

    I agree the press only wants to talk about something negative towards hillary clinton they never want to talk about
    how she is talking about the issues, but then next week one of those BM ASSES will say “why don’t any of these candidates ever talk about the issues?”

    and I think Carlyle was right on! he should take over Penn’s position……IMO Penn is over paid

  142. Ronald, still thinking about it. It’s all about resources. If I skip PA, I’ll have more money to go to both NC and Ind. I guess have to make the decision very soon. April 22 is fast approaching.

  143. divbunny…

    I would like to come to NC maybe the last 7-10 days…April 25-May6th….

    I do not know where to go…

    I have visited about 30 states in the US but never been to either IN or NC…so it would be something new!

    As for OR…yes I could drive to OR for a long weekend as well!

  144. @dija: we have our first hillary meet up this thursday night in asheville… i’ll put your idea on the table… hopefully it WILL ge warm here soon and people would want to do it as a fundraiser… i’ll let you know!

  145. djia, the could at least mention her idea for a Bush panel to convene that would include Volcher(?), Rubin and Greenspan. That’s a good idea and not partisan since all three support one of the candidates.

  146. anyone know how we can send Stern letters of support? Wow, he can reach a lot of people and keep this on the air.

  147. mj Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    djia, the could at least mention her idea for a Bush panel to convene that would include Volcher(?), Rubin and Greenspan. That’s a good idea and not partisan since all three support one of the candidates.

    well that certainly is the least they could do!!!

  148. @mp: the bigger cities are charlotte, raleigh, greensboro and winston-salem as far as population goes… i’m in the beautiful part of the state… asheville/ blue ridge mountains… not as heavily polulated here, but i know we need help! there is a TON of obama support here…. isnt pulch head of things for charlotte? i bet he would know where hillary needs the most help… we have our first meet up this week… let me know if youre interested in coming to the western part of the state.

  149. Filbertsf:

    Are you going to that organising meeting in SF this Sat…I will be going and finding out what the plan is for other people.

    I also need to think about resources… mainly cara rental and housing. Gosh I would love to go to both IN and NC!

  150. divabunny Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    @dija: we have our first hillary meet up this thursday night in asheville… i’ll put your idea on the table… hopefully it WILL ge warm here soon and people would want to do it as a fundraiser… i’ll let you know!

    GREAT!!! 😀

  151. DivaBunny…….I am so hoping we are moving to NC ….we are both out of work here and my husband has been sending his resume all over the country…many of them to NC area 😀

  152. mp, actually, I’m heading back to TX on Sat. Team Clinton need major help with the County Convention. They need as many Attorney-Non-Attorney Observers at each of the Precinct Convention site.

  153. mj – The post was by someone else. Their name is at the bottom of my post. Why? Do you not think it’s true?

  154. Divabunny…

    Thank you; I will send Admin an email and they will forward it to you…

    and yes…i would love to get to the quieter parts of NC…how beautiful that would be…I love rural parts of most of the states I have visited in the US! Absolutely stunning..some areas!

  155. Divabunny, pardon my ignorance, but what is the biggest city in NC? I like to go to the big cities. I feel I am of more use when I can reach the largest number of people.

  156. that’s great to know filberts – that you’re headed back there – the TX thing is a horrible mess. I spoke to a woman today who told me that the caucus chair, Obama supporter, told her to write her delegates on a separate sheet, and then, he never added the final delegates in for Clinton. This is the kind of stuff that was happening.

  157. DOt,
    Here’s the letter.
    Not sure about P. 4 FAQ’s.
    Dear Super Delegate,

    I urge you to endorse Senator Clinton to be the Democratic presidential nominee.

    She is the superior candidate on issue after issue, from her plan for Universal health Coverage, to her strategy for creating Green jobs, to her unwavering resolve in confronting international crises. She clearly possesses the experience, the knowledge, the temperament and the intellect for the position of president of the US.

    Frankly, I have been appalled at the DNC’s refusal to step in and oversee re-votes in Florida and Michigan, two states crucial to a Democratic victory in November.

    More than 4 million votes were cast in those two states, alone. I find it troubling that Donna Brazille, Howard Dean and the DNC cited the rule that no state could move up their primaries without prior permission as justification for stripping Florida and Michigan of its delegates only to turn a blind eye in the cases of New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, states whose caucus systems clearly benefited Senator Obama.

    After much difficulty, both states hammered out agreements for do-over primaries, approved by the DNC and subject to the concurrence of the candidates. While Senator Clinton accepted the arrangements Senator Obama refused to go along. Although he has consistently demanded that popular votes be the determining factor in the appointment of the Democratic nominee he is unwilling to recognize the will of more than 4 million of his fellow Americans. He has said delegates should follow the popular votes of their states and yet he hasn’t insisted Governor Richardson, Senator Kennedy and Senator Kerry withdraw their endorsements of him and support Senator Clinton.

    The disenfranchisement of almost 4 million voters does not bode well for the Democratic Party in the general Election. Senator Clinton clearly has an advantage in Florida and Michigan as well as in most other large states from California to New York, New Jersey to Massachusetts, Ohio to Texas and she is well ahead in likely electoral votes.

    In addition, as a result of Senator Obama’s “Democrat for a Day” strategy of convincing Republicans and Independents to cast their vote in the primaries and caucuses for him as a way to defeat Senator Clinton, approximately 9% of his voters have come from factions that will invariably abandon him to vote for Senator McCain in the General Election.

    This reprehensible strategy urging non-democrats to switch parties during the primaries smacks of Voter fraud and disenfranchisement. The skewed results are clearly not representative of the will of real democrats with whom Senator Clinton maintains a solid lead.

    Following are links to the information I cite.

    republicansforobama.org/?q=about

    /republicansforobama.org/?q=og/all

    /www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUE4Kp0YERs

    /vermontersforobama.org/2007/07/11/never-too-old-to-volunteer-for-obama/

    Finally, I find it ironic that Howard Dean and the DNC have called for donations to help prevent John McCain from ‘breaking the law by ignoring the campaign spending restrictions for the Republican primary that came when he asked for federal matching funds’ and yet he has shown no outrage that Mr. Obama is manipulating the Florida and Michigan delegate controversy to his advantage in order to deny Senator Clinton a fair shot at the nomination.

    In conclusion, I sincerely hope you will take into consideration Senator Clinton’s long public service record, her unflagging dedication to the Democratic Party and her superior
    Qualifications in deciding who, as a Super Delegate, you will support.

    Thank you for your time,

  158. Obama vacation photo on Huffpo…….needs HRC supporter comments now!

    huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/24/obama-vacation-photo_n_93188.html

  159. Oh and Richardson is going to by on Larry King for the whole hour I heard! Can we call him and ask him why he didn’t give Murtha an hour? Friggin bs!

  160. Simon on CBS: ‘Obama Won Over His Base…the American Media’
    By Brent Baker | March 24, 2008 – 08:56 ET

    Roger Simon, chief political columnist for The Politico and former White House correspondent for the Chicago Tribune and political editor of U.S. News & World Report, acknowledged on Sunday’s Face the Nation that Barack Obama won over “his base,” which he identified as “the American media,” in his Tuesday speech in reaction to Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s anti-American rants:

    Obama really won over his base, he won over the American media. They loved that speech.

    Indeed, over on This Week’s roundtable, ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman trumpeted: “He gave a great speech, I think it was a brave speech.”

    Fill-in Face the Nation host Chip Reid followed up Simon’s observation by fretting about what Republicans, who managed to “swift boat John Kerry” when “many people believed [he] was a war hero,” might “do with what Reverend Wright said in the fall?”
    newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/03/24/simon-cbs-obama-won-over-his-base-american-media
    ***********************************************
    This happens all the time, the dem candidate is loved by the media and when the REPUGS 527’s ads hit the air and start hitting the affecting the base then the media will jump on board. I don’t think Obama will change democratic core base to vote for him and I don’t think he can win Florida, California and TX even with Richardson as VP.

  161. Can I say that I loate Arianne Huffington and Nancy Pelosi.

    They actually both have that same shit eating face.

  162. Ininla, thanks. As I’ve said before, Obama supporters are thugs and will stoop to any level to cheat.

    I got this email from a Texas volunteer who told us he needed help this Saturday. He said the Campaign needs hundreds of people — attys and non-attys — to observe and make sure that kind of crap doesn’t happen the second time.

    No Obama thugs are going to push me around.

  163. By the way, if you live in TX or know people in TX who can help, contact Clinton Team or just send me an email. They need lots and lots of people.

  164. June 1 for Puerto Rico primary .. not June 7

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_el_pr/puerto_rico_primary

  165. When did Obama lose his base? He could have just come out and sneezed and they would have called it brilliant.

  166. Dot and Everyone,

    Feel free to copy, cut, edit and paste any portions of the letter. That’s why I posted it.

  167. mj, here you go again expecting the media to do its job of actually reporting the news. What do you think the press is? The Fourth Estate or something?

  168. “New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, states whose caucus systems clearly benefited Senator Obama.”

    Basil, of those, only NV was a caucus.

  169. How many times has a Bambi supporter made an outrageous comment about the Clintons, gotten it published, only to have Barry step forward after the fact and distance himself from it.

    The campaign needs to call the game on him. They need to tell him (and the sds) that there is a clear pattern here and unless he starts to control the message at the front end, we will be forced to assume it is intentional and treat it accordingly. After the fact apologies are no longer acceptable.

  170. Basil : good letter. The thing to do now is find out who we know that has a relationship with these sds and coodinate with them.

  171. mj,

    I KNEW I was missing something. 😳

    Thanks for the correction.
    Anyone who uses portions of the letter, delete this phrase from P.4.

    ‘states whose caucus systems clearly benefited Senator Obama.’
    and insert (.) after Nevada. I’d repost but it’s so long.

  172. basil: glad to see Dobbs picked up on her economic speech. It plays well to his issues. The people at msnbc are just traitors. They could care less about ordinary Americans and that not hyperbole.

  173. MJ,

    I was typing and reading and listening and scrolling but got up to look at the tube at one point because Dobbs ran a good long portion of her speech. I didn’t pay much attention to what Dobbs said after but he’s usually pretty fair with his remarks.

  174. wbboei – I agree that the people at MSNBC are traitors. And they don’t care about Americans only their own egos.

    Dobbs can be counted on to do and say the right things. A rare bread these days indeed.

    I think we should hit Larry King with emails and phone calls asking why Obama gets a whole hour then Richardson gets a whole hour. Totally unfair of Larry. I’m really dissapointed in him.

  175. Glad to hear Dobbs is actually covering the real issues. Big Media reminds me of a bunch of rambunctious children who are willing to do ANYTHING except their assigned homework. They’ll happily run extended segments about Obama’s basketball picks, but when it comes to America’s economic malaise and Hillary’s plan to fix it, nah….

  176. wbboei,
    I think Dot, from this forum, is coordinating some SD mailing. I know she has the list. But I guess you’re probably referring to ‘insiders.’
    I posted the letter coz she was asking someone to volunteer to write it.
    I agree about Dobbs. Now he’s reading letters from readers infuriated at the media’s HRC bashing. That’s something you’ll never hear from Cafferty, Tweeti, Mika and crew. Hahahaha – Just heard Dobbs saying there would be more coverage of HRC’s economic plan when the show comes back after commercial and then he says something about a BO response and says, “OH, he’s commenting from his vacation, isn’t he, somewhere in the Bahamas.”

  177. I didn’t know Howard Stern played the whole Wright tape where it talks gleefully about suicide bombers.

    Damn the GOP is holding back big time on those tapes and Obama is dragging the Dems right off the cliffs with him.

  178. Just sent an email to the Larry King show asking why they are not covering Hillary more.

  179. Filbertsf,
    maybe you should plan a trip to PA afterall….

    from Drudge
    Details for the “Road to Change” tour are still TBA, but Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign just announced he’ll be in Pennsylvania from March 28 through April 2.

  180. Well, this is depressing. Wolfson corrected the Bosnia story but I am hearing Fox News, ABC’s Brian Williams, and Andrea Mitchell are all just making Hill look terrible over it. 🙁

  181. I want to give props to Admin for his “Hillary must Quit” post. There are still over 500 delegates left, millions of people left to vote, and 100s of SDs left in this race that its ludicrous to say Hillary should drop out. And the recent influx in the Quit Hillary talk is due to the face that things are looking up for her. Just wanted to say I thought it was an awesome post.

  182. You know I just finished a couple more chapters of “Living History.” And you know what a lot of this is about because of Travelgate and also because she blamed the media and specifically WSJ for the death of Vince Foster. Meaning she wrote in the book that is added to his sense of despair. They are all holding major grudges. What a bunch of f*cked up babies!

  183. mj, I think you’ll be much happier if you just went on a media black-out. MSM is all junk anyways. You’re never going to get anything positive about Hillary so just stop hoping.

    You and I talked about my own media black-out. It’s do you wonders. Just try it for a few days or so.

  184. tcbequalityactions: what if the campaign calls King and tells him that in fairness Hillary and Rendell should each get an hour as well.

    If he declines–and I doubt that he will, then we can start writing letters and making calls.

    What do you think about that idea?

  185. I’m not watching. I did catch that 2 seconds of CNN because I walked in the room. But the stuff I just posted about was emailed to me.

  186. DObbs is on a roll tonight. After talking with investigative reporters who broke the Kwame Kilpatrick scandal he was going to commercial and says when he comes back he’s gonna tallk about more controversial remarks from BO’s pastor – his NEW pastor.

    ROTF

  187. Richardson is bugging the hell out of these networks .. wanting to be in the limelight. They are not seeking him out….the more the exposes his Judas ways..the more it will help Hillary.

    Cut off your nose to spite your face. I think that Babmi and Richardson would have a real problem with EGO ..

  188. Thanks for the national papers url.

    h t t p : / / tiny.cc/3kQPH

    I just used that to post to some national papers:

    Someone had quite a good idea: send in ALL the disputed delegates as “Uncommitted.” Let them make up their own minds.

    This is how conventions were done in the past, before these pesky new-fangled pledged delegates were born nor thought of.

    Obama should like this fine, because after taking his own name off the Michigan ballot, he went into Michigan to campaign for the “Uncommitted” slate there.

  189. Well, I haven’t been able to post here yet today, not sure why though…lol…

    Two comments:

    When MO starts including Hillary in her praise comments, then Bill Clinton can start including Bambi in his. Until then, enough said!

    One question for the DNC: Do you honestly hate the Clinton so damn much that you are willing to, slap the voters of Florida and Michigan, lose the G.E. and destroy the party just to prove it?

  190. Divabunny, we are in NW iowa (Lake Okoboji area)

    been here 3 years now 🙁 lived all our lives in MN 42 years prior to moving here
    been trying to move to a mountain state since i was 16 LOL……and ended up here

    hubby don’t mind it here, but i am a photographer and multi media artist and can’t stand
    all this open farm land…..sorry Iowans no offense…..it’s just not for me

  191. just on Lou Dobbs……..they are going to get further into Hillary’s 4 point plan on the housing crisis and see if it will make a difference!

  192. campbell brown headlining with a breakdown of HRC’s 4 point economic plan.

    At least she’s getting some coverage. Just don’t know how fair campbell will be.

  193. Several things:

    1) Great post by wbboei on blue-collar Dems and their strong allegiance to Hillary. She already had their support but I think the Wright mess has hardened that and severely limited Obama’s ability to win them over now or in November.

    2) Interesting column by Novak. However, I strongly disagree with his statement that Hillary is the annointed establishment candidate. That may have been the case in the beginning but nothing could be further from the truth now.

    3) James Carville’s refusal to take back his Richardson comment had me LMAO. I especially loved it when he said people are telling him now that when they see Richardson they think of Judas.

  194. Campbell Brown: “Clinton attempting to gain ground with her 4-point plan. We all know it’s too little too late and there’s really not much she can do to out-best Obama’s brilliance in economic, foreign policy, and Lincoln-like oratory gift.”

    That’s the Brownie I know.

  195. Also, someone on TM said a few days ago that a contact in PA mentioned that lots of Repubs and Indys were registering as Dems to vote for Hillary.

    BTW, Carville is someone who REALLY values loyalty, hence his statement.

  196. I don’t know if this has been posted before:

    Three Myths About the Democratic Race
    by Peter Daou3/24/2008 11:26:17 AMMYTH: Barack Obama is running a positive campaign that will unite Americans.

    FACT: Barack Obama and his advisers have conducted a divisive “full assault” on Hillary’s character.

    While talking a lot about the politics of hope, change and unity, Sen. Obama and his campaign have been conducting a relentless and singularly personal assault on Hillary’s character. They have blanketed big states with false negative mailers and radio ads and have described Hillary and her campaign as “disingenuous,” “divisive,” “untruthful,” “dishonest,” “polarizing,” “calculating,” “saying whatever it takes to win,” “attempting to deceive the American people,” “one of the most secretive in America,” “deliberately misleading,” “literally willing to do anything to win,” and “playing politics with war.”

    This “full assault” on Hillary’s integrity and character has reached a new peak since Hillary’s victories on March 4th. One of Sen. Obama’s top surrogates equated President Clinton with Joe McCarthy; another called Hillary a “monster;” and his campaign manager held an angry conference call claiming that Hillary is “deeply flawed” and has “character issues.” That’s neither unifying nor hopeful. If Sen. Obama really is the prohibitive favorite some say he is, these negative attacks make absolutely no sense. Why would a frontrunner seek to attack and divide? If Sen. Obama can’t unify Democrats in a primary, how can he unify Americans in a general election?

    =====

    MYTH: The delegate “math” works decisively against Hillary.

    FACT: The delegate math reflects an extremely close race that either candidate can win.

    “The Math” is actually very simple: with hundreds of delegates still uncommitted, NEITHER candidate has reached the number of delegates required to secure the nomination. And EITHER candidate can reach the required number in the coming weeks and months. That is indisputable. No amount of editorials, articles, blog posts, charts, graphs, calculations, formulas, or projections will change the basic fact that either candidate can win. Pundits who confidently proclaim that Hillary has no hope of winning because of “the math,” have counted Hillary out of this race three times before. Each time they based their sober assessments on ‘facts’ and ‘realities’ — and each time they were wrong.

    In a campaign with dozens of unexpected twists and turns, bold prognostications should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. Look no further than Sen. Obama’s “full assault” on Hillary’s character to judge whether he thinks this election is over. The fact is this: Hillary and Sen. Obama are locked in a very close, hard-fought campaign and Hillary is demonstrating precisely the strength of character required of a president. Her resilience in the face of adversity, her faith in the voters, her capacity to rise to every challenge, are part of the reason she is the best general election candidate for Democrats. And it is why she is increasingly strong against John McCain in the polls at the same time that Sen. Obama is dropping against Sen. McCain.

    =====

    MYTH: For Hillary to win, super delegates must “overturn the will of the people.”

    FACT: The race is virtually tied, the “will of the people” is split, and both candidates need super delegates to win.

    The Obama campaign and Sen. Obama’s surrogates have engaged in a sustained public relations effort to convince people that the election is over and that if super delegates perform their established role of choosing a candidate who they believe will make the best nominee and president, they are somehow “overturning the will of the people.” They have the audacity to make this argument while quietly and systematically courting those very same super delegates. They are courting them because they know that Sen. Obama needs super delegates to win. The Obama spin is being parroted daily by pundits, but it is patently false. The race is virtually tied; the “will of the people” is split. By virtually every measure, Hillary and Sen. Obama are neck and neck — separated by less than 130 of the more than 3,100 delegates committed thus far and less than 1% of the 27 million+ votes cast, including Florida and Michigan. Less than 1%.

    An incremental advantage for one candidate or the other is hardly a reason for super delegates to change the rules mid-game. Despite the Obama campaign’s aggressive spin and pressure, the RULES require super delegates to exercise their best independent judgment, and that is what they will do. Even Sen. Obama’s top strategist agrees they should. If not, then why don’t prominent Obama endorsers like Senators Kerry (MA) and Kennedy (MA), and Governors Patrick (MA), Napolitano (AZ) and Richardson (NM) follow the will of their constituents and switch their support to Hillary? After all, she won their states. And if this is truly about the “will of the people,” then Sen. Obama’s short-sighted tactic to run out the clock on a revote in Florida and Michigan accomplishes exactly two things: it disenfranchises Florida and Michigan’s voters; and it hurts Democrats in a general election. Apparently, for the Obama campaign, the “will of the people” is just words.

    =====

  197. filbert: birdie, would it surprise you if she actually said what she thought?

    No. Kind of like, SNL.

  198. oh my god – Campbell Brown’s show showing BO on vacation. Wonder if that will get more coverage than the economic speech…

  199. I think Paula Zahn would’ve done a better job, but CNN agism did her in – Campbell Brown is an idiot – “Why now?” (regarding the economic speech). Duh.

  200. @pulch: LOVE you site!!! did you do that? i would love s/thing like that for asheville!!!

    btw… check your email!

    campbell brown reminds me of the “pres of stepfords for obama”… ick!

  201. Ininla, Paula Zahn’s show had issues of its own. She was a light-weight who was not serious about journalism. Her show was a freakin’ joke and I disagree that she would have done a better job.

  202. What on earth does that mean? Why now? Not to mention she’s been talking about the economy for over a year! What the hell did she mean by that?

  203. filbert,
    if it’s any consolation, Dodd spent the previous hour tearing BO a new one. He ain’t gonna let this go. Hooray Lou. Another ally! That guy is a real bulldog. He’s holding on to the BO-Wright-new pastor thing the same way he’s been tracking the immigration issue over the past year.

    And Lou is REALLY aggrieved at white boys being dissed by BO’s ‘spiritual’ advisors. This has become personal for Lou.
    In the meantime, Bill-O calling the dem meltdown a free-for-all.
    As you can see, I didn’t stay to listen to Campbell. She’s a Mika clone.

  204. mj: when you are working around the clock as she is even on her day off these misstatements like this happen. Her book proves that she is credible. And they were corrected. The only surprise is that it does not happen more often.

    How many times have we heard a Bambi spokesman say what the senator meant to say was . . . However, it is important to note that this matter pales in comparison to the outright lies Bambi with respect to Wright which are far more consequential to the nation.

    As for Mitchell and Williams (NBC) there gameplan is so obvious that if something like this had not happened they would have had to invent it. Like they did with the defective GM truck which that network falsely claimed to be defective.

  205. if you all keep giving Campbell brown ratings they will keep her show on…give her the blackout treatment..

  206. Carville is back – now on Campbell Brown. he’s everywhere – and now repeating that FL and MI “are not in the picture, because the Obama campaign kept them out. Let’s get that fact right out there.”

    Campbell asks him again about Richardson (obviously CNN trying to create a showdown). She’s having a hard time trying to hide her disdain – her Obamamania is showing on her face.

  207. Cambell Brown stikes me as a non-entity except for the fact that she did a particularly poor job of moderating the one debate. She cut Hillary off and let Bambi ramble as he always does. If I were the moderator I woud keep the vaudville hook primed and ready once he cleared his throat but thats just me.

  208. Inninla,

    D@mn. I missed snake-eyes hooded-cobra-head Carville. Now that’s REALLY my man. (Move over Mary).

    See my SD letter post at 6:59. i try to cover the Florida/Michigan disaster.

  209. OMG..I believe we are going to see Carville come on board big time.

    Please email him and ask for his support.

    he is talking to the superdelegates now.

  210. filbertsf,

    that was the environment in which i was raised. but no, i do not have carville’s accent.

  211. the treason that Carville has seen by those who the Clintons made famous .. it has him riled. We can use this to our advantage

  212. I love their love story – Carville and Matalin.

    But yes, Dot, as I noticed earlier in his interview with Wolf Blitzer, Carville would look straight at the camera when he talked about the revotes being blocked by BO.

    Also, Bill Clinton I heard on the radio is going to be in CA soon – he’s talking with superdelegates – at least 1/3 of about 80+ supers in CA are uncommitted.

  213. Ininla, I never asked you, but did any of your LA buddies go with you to Houston (it was Houston, wasn’t it?). I was in TX by myself and sometimes, I think having a buddy there would’ve been better. I did meet and got along fine with people there.

  214. the treason that Carville has seen by those who the Clintons made famous .. it has him riled.

    It sure does, and I’m happy to see him telling it like it is – on FL and MI too!

  215. dot,

    i emailed Carville yesterday and thanked him for his support and asked WHEN he was gonna join the campaign!

    (Can’t remember who but someone here posted Carville’s email addy)

  216. filbertsf Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
    I had a crush on Campbell Brown back in the days… then she had to go and marry Dan Senor.
    ———————————————-
    Careful Filgberst: Shakespeare warned us love is blind, and I can tell you from experience never wish for anything too much because you may have the misfortune of getting it. But of course I still make exceptions.

  217. Inninla,

    I saw Mary and James on some show recently and I swear, Jimmy must be ‘sprinkling the holy water” over Mary coz she was supposed to be the opposition strategist but she had a hard time saying anything bad about HRC. The closest she got was something like, “I NEVER count the Clintons out.”

    Wouldn’t it be great if James AND Mary signed on???????

  218. yes filberts – some people from CA whom I knew went to Houston – I offered two people my car to drive out there (22 hour drive!) because it was too expensive to fly. And one of us went to El Paso, another to Austin.

    ultimately, in Houston, I worked in the “chinatown” office, instead of the main one east of town, and was separately from my friends anyway. But, I met many people whom I’ll be with in PA.

  219. wbboei, I’m way over her… way over.

    However, the fact that she had to go and marry that mouthpiece goon is well, icky.

    Dan Senor could smile and explain away the Iraq War even as a dead Iraqi child was laying right in front of him.

  220. I keep thinking about that Gina Davis, Michael Keaton movie – Speechless – wasn’t that vaguely based on Carville and Matalin?

    Would be interesting if Matalin signed on – but she’s stalwart Republican. I thought she was advising Fred Thompson before he dropped out.

  221. I thought she was advising Fred Thompson before he dropped out.

    Umm…we’d like James as a solo act, please.

  222. Ininla, I was in Austin. I never saw kaffeen there. I was hoping to bump in to him, but never saw a guy who looked like Yanni.

    There were a lot of people from out of state. There were some people from CA. Maybe I even saw one of your LA buddies there.

  223. Basil: I thought Carville was already in. Am I mistaken. Either way though what a wonderful asset he is for Hillary.

    How I wish he and Richardson appeared together and went nose to nose and toes to toes on the issue of whether BR is Judas Iscariot. It would surely end in a pinata party the likes of which no one has ever seen. Hispanic friends would furiouos with Richardsons betrayal would love it.

    I would move heaven and earth to be there. I would hold James’ coat and advise him on the choice of sticks–hickory would be my recommendation.

  224. wbboei – I don’t think Carville’s in – he said he was not speaking for Clinton when he said the Judas remark. But hoping things will change – maybe they can cut Penn’s salary in half and give it to Carville.

    But something tells me Carville is active in trying to strategize around the superdelegates – this Judas talk is a description that will stick to Richardson. You can visualize Judas; it’s indelible. Carville knew exactly what he was doing.

    And whenever SDs think about the value of Richardson’s endorsement – they think about Judas.

  225. wbboei,
    Is Carville OFFICIALLY on board? A month or so ago I caught one of his rare BM appearances and he said he wasn’t working for the campaign. Maybe that has changed. he sure has been a lot more visible lately and I’ve got my fingers crossed.
    I agree. I’d LOVE to see James and Richie duking it out under a pinata. 😀 To make it a fair match Jimmy would have to be blind-folded and Richie could wear a pirate patch. That sort of fits in with his new Zorroesque look.
    IDUNN,
    I’m seeing some other troublesome stuff.
    hickory sticks. how romantic. 🙂

  226. love how Larry King is intro-ing his guests tonight – “I’ve got Bill Richardson who’s been compared to Judas today.”

  227. pulch, maybe. NC seems more of a battle than PA. If I decide to skip PA, I could head to both NC and Ind (Oregon is definitely). Let me think about it. It’s not desire, but resources. I need to call the PA coordinator that Ininla emailed me about.

    I’m going to TX, so that takes a chunk from the budget.

  228. TV Alert

    Remember when we used to do this all the time?

    Tonight first half of Bush”s War, a longer 2-part special by Frontline.

    Second part tomorrow.

    Starting now on PBS…9 pm EDT

  229. clinton needs surrogaes talking things up like carville is doing. i hope he is hired on by the cmpaign asap. obamas arguement for sds is idiocy. clinton needs to be realagressive on her arguements here

  230. About the Bill Clinton speech. This was an item I saw in the main column at taylormarsh.com right after Obama’s famous ‘race/grandmother’ speech. It had a long block quote from an old Bill Clinton speech with a blue background. Iirc ‘million man march’ was mentioned. The point was that Obama’s race speech resembled the Bill Clinton speech. My imression was that Obama’s speech writer had been kind of copying it, without giving credit.

  231. Ininla: I guess you are right and better that way for now I suppose.

    Basil: Dont you think Richardson is more like Sergeant Garcia? The physical resemblance, the unctuous manner–I think he is right out of central casting.

  232. That’s our VP who responded to Martha Raddich’s query re cost of the war being high, he said

    “So.”

  233. texan4hillary, I disagree. I think Carville should just continue doing what he does without officially becoming part of the campaign. Sadly, Carville can be a bit of a loose canyon because he’s so honest about what’s on his mind. Such honesty can sometimes get you (or the campaign) in trouble.

    Incidentally, are you going to be one of the observers at the County Precinct Convetion this Sat?

  234. im a deleagte to the senate district conv and dreading it. so much trumoil here. we have cops set up at each site. i bet a natl story will unfold there. im kind of freaked out!

  235. bill at it to on delegates-
    thepage.time.com/2008/03/24/b-clinton-no-re-vote-in-mich-florida-is-%e2%80%9cdeliberate-attempt-to-disenfranchise%e2%80%9d-voters/

  236. Idunn Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Hahaha! Oh gawd please let him have a mistress or something!

    And please let there be some dna evidence.

    And let Michelle find out about it while on live network TV….

  237. I knew it was messy and such, but cops? Am I going to need to pack a helmet and goggles?

    I’ll be an observer. Hopefully, it won’t be too chaotic.

  238. texan4hillary .. do not let them intimidate you. Take someone with you.

    Hannity saying Hillary has 3 million compared to Obama 30 million .. look for her to get a big online surge in money this week…where is his money coming from people???

  239. dot48 Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    texan4hillary .. do not let them intimidate you. Take someone with you.

    Hannity saying Hillary has 3 million compared to Obama 30 million .. look for her to get a big online surge in money this week…where is his money coming from people???

    From the latte liberals. They have a lot of money.

  240. we reqeusted such security. look at what we are dealing with. but i think mine will be ok-but the convs may take more than 1 day to finsih-fraud is rampant fromt he caucus process. we have camapign staff training folks and the campaign has sutdialed all the sen conv delegates-i got a call myself. its critical all tx sen conv delegates for hillary show up or we are screwed!!!

  241. Evening all!

    Just a quick correction…..(hate to come in here and do this before anything else)

    the $3 vs. $30 mil was DNC v RNC for the General

  242. the way that the media and panelists talk about them – does anyone else get this sense that the superdelegates are this unearthly, wise set of beings from the planet Krypton?

    off to the gym- my addiction to you all has ruined my eyes and fattened my ass.

  243. Bird and all…we know Hil has more than 3 million!

    The Democratic National Committee ended 2007 nearly flat broke, with cash of $2.9 million and debts of $2.2 million. Since then it has raised some money, paid down debt and managed to put $3.7 million in its piggy bank. This compares, however, with $25 million that the Republican National Committee has in cash on hand, after having raised $97 million since the beginning of 2007.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/us/politics/07donate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

  244. texan4hillary, I am going to my county convention Saturday if I can find out what time it will be held. I thought they me 9am, but a friend of mind told me 3pm, she said they have never had them at 9am. she may not of experienced one like this before. She said she expects a lot of complaining and griping. she aa, so i tried to dig more info, but was unable to. I’ll be there, if I have to wait outside the courthouse all day. I sure hope I get selected to go to state convention!!

  245. Actually this will drive money into Hillary’s camp .. so I wouldn’t be too concerned. Her supporters will dig deeper, work harder and her base ain’t going nowhere.

  246. lninla Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    from one of the posters at TM (makes Hillary sound like Rambo):

    Seems to me when Hillary’s camp mentions something she did in past years, okay, yawn, we know she’s been around, that’s not news.

    Then the bots call it a lie, which is a controversy, news.

    Then a lot of people who were with her come out and tell the details, and that’s news, becuse it’s answering a controversy.

    Rinse and repeat.

    So Hillary’s old trip gets lots of new coverage.

  247. divabunny,

    a source tells me hillary will open a charlotte office in 10 days. the source, however, is secretive and condescending. but i will keep you updated.

  248. Basil: I guess I am really dating myself here.

    In the late 1950s Disney did the original Zorro series for early television. The lead role was Guy somethingorother. He was a Spanish grandee in the early days of California. He was also Zorro–“the friend of the weak and the cool and the meek this very unique senor zorro”–try carrying that tune around in your head for 50 years.

    The senior enlisted man at the garrison was the estimable Sergeant Garcia–a rotund, unshaven half wit who tried his level best to ingratiate himself to everyone in a position of power. Garcia was curious as to who zorro was and yet the fact that whenever zorro was around the grandee was not and whenever the grandee was around zorro was not somehow managed to escape his attention. Also, he had a boss who but for his teetotling ways bore a stiking resembleance to Teddie Kennedy.

    I will see if I can find anything on Google. As the Chinese Philosopher, then Deval Patick and finally Dont Tell Me Words Dont Matter Obama famously observed: a picture is worth a thousand words.

  249. @pulch: awesome… keep me posted!

    p/s the person for asheville isnt in the book… i cant find anyone that knows her… i’ll let you know more after thursday

  250. Yes, i know you are, but you might serve both purposes with the signs, you will be reaching many voters as they drive by,walk by and perhaps engage in a conversation with them…..perhaps take it to a mall parking lot and talk to people as they walk to their cars…

    Ideal might be to take over a picnic table in a public park next to a parking lot and in sight of the highway. Be accessible for people walking by to stop and get brochures, ask questions, etc.

  251. divabunny Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
    hey guys… i didnt hear the blurb abt the money, but this site talks abt how much the individual candidates have.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp

    What they dont distinguish is what is for primary vs ge

    Hillary has a great start for the GE at 20 mil set aside give or take

  252. divabunny,

    then i guess you will have to attend the event and introduce yourself to the person we are discussing.

  253. Hey Bird..I was watching (listening) to that Fox News report too, and they were speaking in the context of McCain v splintering Dem Party…and that The RNC had stashed a wad while the DNC had only three mil.

    But we have the links now for the Candidates. We can look up the DNC/RNC stuff too. I amsearching for old Bosnia stories now.

    Dot…I just cant get my head around working nights for up to five years. I COULD have Zenned in to doing two….but not five. I just can’t, and it’s a 40 mile round trip. That’s a lot of mileage in a week and a lot in gas in an 11 year old Explorer!

  254. @pulch: thats my plan..

    @debbie: why would they need to distinguish btw the primay and ge? i would expect that the numbers posted in the site are for primary…. whoever gets the nom will get funds from the dnc

  255. But I want to keep in good standing with them, in case i move up to Clearwater. However, if I do that…I will just keep going and move out of Florida!

  256. space: I’m glad to hear, she has more than 3 million.

    I also have an old explorer. My is 12 years old.

  257. Dean has done a horrible job raising money. Of course, if they hadn’t disenfranchised MI and FL, they might be doing better. I haven’t given them a red cent in many months.

  258. sorry if this is a repeat, ****BREAKING****

    anderson cooper says hillary cliniton caught in a lie..
    says hillary claimed she took fire on helicopter or something in bosnia..
    says they have tape that shows it is not true, and information that sheds light on her foreign intellegence credentials.

    also says she changes story and now admits it never happened..

    next on anderson cooper,,anybody know anything?

  259. @basil: i didnt do the contact list for the state reps bc you cant contact them unless you have a zip code in their district.

  260. @skmf: i dont get why theyre making an issue of this…. this was already reported back on march 13th

    theyre talking abt her trip to bosnia… apparently she says there was open fire and theyre saying that it was safe bc the war ended three months prio to her visit.

    well, my issue is that who cares when the was “officially ended”… that doesnt mean it was safe or that they werent fired upon???

  261. from one of TM’s posters:

    Go to Anderson Cooper 360 and tell him not to lie tonight about Hillary and Bosnia- overwhelm them with information-His set up has already said she lied about what happened- Here’s the url:
    cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.ac.html?10

  262. divabunny, Hillary NEVER said there was open fire or that they were fired upon! She said that they did a “corkscrew landing”, and were given flak vests and rushed through their greeting ceremony because of reports of snipers in the hills.

    Which is TRUE, as General Togo West has confirmed.

    THEY are the ones who are exaggerating what she said, to a worse degree than any tiny exagerration that she did!

  263. How any person from FL or MI could vote for a democrat (besides Hillary) is beyond me. Attempting to silence an American’s vote is the ultimate sin in Democracy and the DNC and Barack Obama are committing it.

  264. h4t: i said “apparently said”… i’m talking abt what i read on factcheck.org… i was NOT quoting, just paraphrasing…

    did i EVER say that hillary lied or exaggerated??? NOPE!

  265. I was searching around the internet tonight and I didn’t realize how many socialist connections there are with Obama. I would think the Republicans will go stark raving nuts over these and I am sure they will make attacks ads on these connections if Obama gets to the GE to prove their point that he is a “lefty liberal”. Perhaps this is another subject that needs to be brought to the attention of the SD’s..

    Obama socialist ties: He campaigned for Bernie Sanders an openly socialist senator, he attended town meetings sponsored by the Democratic Socialists of America, he spoke at the memorial service for Saul Mendelson a well known socialist and former communist, was endorsed in his Illinois state senate race by the Chicago Democratic Socialists, praised in 2007 by the US Communist Party and one of his childhood mentors was a communist. In the 1980’s he attended socialist meetings and even right now there is controversy about a Che Guevara flag hanging at his campaign headquarters. Right or wrong I can see the right wing having a field day with all this…

    Just thought I’d post these as I hadn’t heard of them before…I also have links if anyone wants them…

  266. @h4t: fyi…. just thought you should know that your comment and now mine have been copied and posted by the stalkers over at SA! nice.

  267. meiyingsu Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    we are called racist.

    Hillaryis44.org: REAL DEMOCRATS or Racists?
    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/24/21252/7977

    Does terrondt knows he’s a racist? How many people here are tired of being called a racist b/c you don’t like a candidate who happens to be an AA.

    I remember late last year on Morning Joe… Joe was criticizing Obama for something and he got tons of email accusing him of being a racist. He said on air that he expected it and it always happens when he criticizes Obama.

    This person, kristannab, is an idiot. Like her cult leader, she’s also a race baiter. None of those comments are racist. She probably made up some of them.

    Who the hell here said, “I will not vote for a black man?” and in what context?

    I’ve read enough of your posts here, people, to know you’re nothing more than die-hard Hillary supporters. Many of you put actions to words, unlike Ms. Race-baiter herself.

  268. Admin, it’s just a suggestion, but do you think this site can go private? or is that idea counter to the purpose of this site?

    It’s getting tiring of idiots like kristannab who go shopping for quotes and taking it out of context to accuse the wonderful people here of being racists.

  269. Well said, fil. There is no way for me to vote for Hussein Obama. If that makes me a racist, I am fine with it.

  270. # mj Says:
    March 24th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    She didn’t lie. She got it a little wrong. Her campaign has already corrected the record.
    ————-

    What did she get wrong? Apparently there was a base she went to that was dangerous.. read this:

    …She did visit two outposts outside of the base camp in Tuzla without
    the celebrities there for the USO tour.

    Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a
    military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal
    “thank you, thank you, thank you” to U.S. troops.

    But this was a day of celebration and celebrities – a day for the U.S.
    troops helping to uphold the Bosnian peace accord. Mrs. Clinton hosted
    a USO show with comedian Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crow and briefly
    addressed the gathering.

    But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts
    outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to
    the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this
    war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.

    Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and
    surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a “separation
    zone,” the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months
    ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

    Security was tight – fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to
    Tuzla – but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks
    on the trip.
    Lexis – By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

  271. leave the whiners in their beer. According to Rasmussen Obama seems to have a real problem in the polls ..the bloom is off the rose. People are starting to take a second look and they don’t like who the see

    Hillary is still standing and they are just an unhappy bunch.

  272. Sorry folks…just had to go make my point known over at MyDD too. What an ass.

    “my “friend” was on Hillaryis44…”

    jeesh! Doesn’t even have the guts to admit she was here…or the smarts to question what someone else said….

    not surprising they are not Hillary Supporters…but Howard Dean supporters.

  273. I dont care what obama’s CRACK HEADS have to say about us do you?

    they stay up all night ‘SMOKIN that HOPIUM and DOPIUM’,
    and cryin over the ‘WRIGHT HATES WHITE’ , ‘OBAMA AINT BRIGHT’, story, and looking for ways to turn it around…

    ‘HOPE ON’ losers, i know its an OBUMMER, and he couldn’t have been
    ‘DUMMER’, but we’re COOL, OUR CANDIDATE DOESNT DO US LIKE THAT!

  274. skmf12, it’s not a matter of caring. I have a simple philosophy: when attacked, you attack back. No holds bar.

    Kerry was under sieged and he allowed himself to be swiftboated. I know one thing about Hillary: she’s a fighter. She’ll defend herself and the nation.

    Just like when Obama sniped her with the Walmart crap, she smacked him back with Rezko. Kerry would have just smiled it off like the smug fool that he is.

  275. from a post in Philly daily news blog:

    Q. Senator Obama can you please tell us why you stayed with a church for twenty years that encourages racial hatred.
    Obama. Hey man, I don’t answer questions, I give speeches- that way I get to ask and answer my own questions. heh, heh,heh
    Q. Senator Obama, do you think it is hypocritical to ask Americans to transcend racism and yet you visciously attacked Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro on their rather benign statements.
    Obama; It’s called a double standard, and I can get away with it because CNN and ABC are in my back pocket.heh,heh
    Q. Senator Obama didn’t you first say you recieved 150 garnd from Rezco, but when the case went to trial you said it was actually 250 grand?
    Obama: Change, heh,heh
    Q. Didn’t you promise to accept public funds in a General election, and now that you are raking in tons of money you have changed your mind?
    Obama:Promise,heh,heh
    Q. Senator Obama, do you think it is naive for you to assume that after a short stint as a Jr. Senator and a community organizer, you are best qualified to navigate the complicated reality of Wahington’s power structure?
    Obama: Hope, heh,heh,heh
    Posted by: greenfun at March 24, 2008 9:13 PM

  276. now if the assh*les at SA would just f*ck right off! keep copying and pasting… whatta bunch of psycho stalkers???

    what kind of people steal photos off of ppls websites and blogs and repost and mock them on their sorry sad little thread?

  277. @monkey: i agree! the comments are so damn good it almost makes me want to rec’d the damn thing!

    @skmf: what are you talking abt..tm?

  278. Does anyone have Bill O’reilly’s, Cavuto’s and Hannity’s email addresses handy?

    BTW…saw earlier that someone was writing to uncommitted SDs. I have addresses and fax numbers pulled together for all uncommitted SDs in PA, IN, NC and WV. Let me know if you need them.

  279. Diva…I contacted the site owners of SA, and reported them for terroristic threats to the Office of the Inspector General and the Attorney Generals office . It took several phone calls to get them to return my calls, but when I told them there had been death threats made to members here, they took notice.

  280. With all the stuff that happened at Columbine, Virginia Tech, etc., Law Enforcement NOW DAYS has to take this stuff seriously.

  281. @space: you should get them to take your photo down too!!! they havent taken fran’s down still!!!

    i’m glad you emailed the owners! those ppl are friggin psycho and a little friggin scary! good for you!

  282. I work in IT security… let me tell you, it will take Law Enforcement approximately 2.1 nanoseconds to hunts this freaks down… 1…. 2….

  283. I work in IT security… let me tell you, it will take Law Enforcement approximately 2.1 nanoseconds to hunt these freaks down… 1…. 2….

  284. divabunny Says:

    March 24th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
    carby: whats your email? if you dont want to post it, email me at divabunny@email.com
    *****************************************************
    I sent you my email.

  285. Regarding Taylor Marsh….Ths is nick-picking and I do believe Hillary Clinton account because see was the First Lady and did represent her husband on a lot of trips.

    All this can be verified sooner rather then later and it’s now coming out that she did take trips that Sinbad was not prevy to…come on Sinbad is a comic and Hillary Clinton was the First Lady.

    This too will blow over but Obama’s pastergate will not because it speach to his Character and Judgement, will Hillary is about getting the FACTS out of her service to this country.

    Look must HONEST journalist agreed that Hillary’s papers doesn’t have the smoking gun they thought it would have and agree that Bill gave Hillary a lot of power and expanded her role.

  286. Correction: Look most HONEST journalists agreed that Hillary’s papers doesn’t have the smoking gun they thought it would have and agreed that Bill gave Hillary a lot of power and expanded her role.

  287. where did everyone go?

    pretty funny stuff… one of those SA morons is flattering himself by making mention that i’m “quivering”! as if any of those teensy weensy little men could make a kitten quiver, much less a woman….

  288. THIS is to SA, the reason we call Obama…Obambi is because he is a pussy, a crybaby and a whinner…BOO HOO.

    This guy cries like a little girl….no let me correct it. Like a litte baby….geesh and he want to be President of the United States.

  289. Just in for a minute, but was Googling this site to see what was going on out there about us and saw the mydd link. Read it and came over here to say, job well done. Especially Artiste. Fantastic post.

    They hate us for being right. Fuck ’em. In the ass.

    And for crissakes, I cannot recall ever reading someone here saying they would not vote for a black man. And I have read damn near every word on this site since it came up.

    Dumbasses. Just can’t face the truth that 👿 sucks as a POTUS candidate. That’s why so many of us will vote for McCain if 👿 steals this.

    This election, like Bill said this weekend, should be about issues. Not one man’s enormous ego or his ‘bots’ false outrage and gutter sniping.

  290. PS- the crap about embedded URL’s is funny as hell. I think they are trying to scare away folks from the truth. What’s next, accusing us and Admin of threatening to boil their bunnies or embedding hidden messages ala Judas Priest?

    We’re not the cultists. They are. They chant Bob the Builder quotes short enough for their pee brains to remember. No way they could ever remember words like healthcare, or veterans’ benefits or home mortgage crisis. They are too busy watching will.i.am videos and giving each other tug jobs.

  291. Ok…I am confused. I went to change my user name…i couldn’t post.

    I reregistered under a different screen name, got a new password, and couldn’t post. Anyone know why?

    I wrote to ADMIN, but no reply yet.

    This name and my business name are getting screwedd up on Google thanks to SA

  292. @okie: what does that even mean??? i’m not a computer person… i cant even bold or itlicize on here! i dont know what theyre talking abt… my eyes started to glaze over!

    @space: maybe we’re closed to new members?

  293. golly Diva, I sent you an email thru the great pink pager, and didn’t get an answer.

    Am going the published email route you published here.

    Prob is, I just realized I forgot what I needed from you 3-4 days ago.

  294. @emjay…. i did get your email from admin… i’m sorry. i just back into town last night and havent answered everything yet… you can email me at divabunny@email.com

    were you looking for SD contact info?

  295. @ space… I believe you’ll have to wait for ADMIN to authorize your new name change. Admin must not be online right now…

  296. Hi guys! I peaced out for awhile and took a much needed break. I haven’t even lurked in a week! Yay me!

    I’m just peaking in to see if anyone had HighlyEducated’s donation link?

    Diva – I still want to try to get to NC, so you have to keep me abreast of plans! I still have to plan the NYC trip. The last time I went to NY I bought the tickets 5 days beforehand and arrived without a hotel room. That was awesome.

  297. Interesting news from Hillary.com blog:

    James Carville and John Edwards are Featured Speakers at the Young Dems Convention this Saturday, March 29 in Research Triangle Park in NC.

    Hmmm, you think Carville is going to try to get him to endorse Hillary?

  298. I wouldn’t count on an Edwards endorsement. It could just as easily be like Richardson, and he will endorse BO at some point.

  299. Space, it took more than two weeks before any of my posts started showing up here. I think you have to have one Admin approved message before posts start showing up. I sent two emails to Admin and they never were answered. I think there is a big backlog of posts in moderation so Admin is probably just overwhelmed with the sheer volume.

  300. HillBill…thanks

    I was able to post right away the fisrt time. No problem. I am sure it will get worked out.

    Diva…yes they are

  301. I hope Carville does have a talk with Edwards about endorsing Hillary. She has done a lot more to address poverty and economic-related issues than Obama, who has been off message in recent weeks. Since these are the issues that Edwards cares about most, it’s only logical that he would endorse her. But when is politics ever logical?

    Oh, and I saw that blog about how hillaryis44 is supposed to be racist. Excuuuuuse me????? These people need to get out into the real world, or even the cyber real world. If they want to see racism on the Internet, I can point them to numerous forums that I studied while doing a sociology project on white nationalism.

  302. I don’t know why you all are taking this bosnia thing so casually. This goes straight to Obama’s argument. How could Hill screw up like this!

  303. One more thing… My best friend was supposed to get her computer fixed today. I told her about this site and she plans to join once her technology is all up and running. I don’t know what other political sites she was visiting before her computer broke, but she knew all the dirt on Obama way back in January before the Michigan primary. (That’s right, she is also a Michigander and her vote didn’t count either.)

  304. Watching th repeat of Larry King with Lewis Black. He said he hates hope, I’m old what do I have to hope for? Hope is for kids. Got me thinking that pretty much sums up Obama’s campaign Hope is for kids or Trix are for kids.

  305. The media will make it into something just because they can. But hell, at least Hillary has Bosnia trips to get confused about.

  306. mj

    read upthread, please!

    It is because we already know what happened, have discussed it, someone brilliently found a Lexus citation and decided it is not a prob.

    Google HRC, Bosnia trip, and whatever else you want.

    Or do a control f here and put in “bosnia”

  307. Obama supporters are pure groupies. Once the shine on Obama fades, be it at the nomination, they’ll forget all about him and his lack of action/accomplishments.

  308. The Bosnia thing is an Obama distraction and even we are falling for it here. It is a non-issue and the only issue we should be concentrating on is winning PA big.

  309. monkeybusiness Says:
    March 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    @ space… I believe you’ll have to wait for ADMIN to authorize your new name change.

    A couple of weeks ago I was having login trouble so I just went through ‘new user registration’ and set up a whole new name, separate from the old one. No problem, no waiting.

    I sure didnt’ have to wait 2 weeks when I first registered here either. Sometimes it looks like someone’s posts aren’t getting through, because they’re being delayed in the spam fiter. It catches urls, so we do h t t p etc.

  310. GUys, keep pushing Rev. Wright to the superdelegates and the future state papers.

    I think we have PA locked down..it’s just a question of “by how much” there now. However, we should worry about NOrth Carolina and Indiana primarily. Send Rev. Wright to newspapers and news stations/radios ALL OVER North Carolina and Indiana. That should be a large part of our priorities. If we can win North Carolina and Indiana, Obama will be left sputtering and the superdelegates will start moving largely in Hillary’s direction.

  311. vote here C 56% O 43% (but he has a lot of states that should be turned around)

    news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll

  312. JenMich

    forgot to tell you, had done a xx.44 for hill last week, saw your match me challenge, and did. Now .
    I am meatless for this week too.

    Figured I would count Orthodox Easter as the end of Lent instead of the 23rd.

    Noticed others are brownbagging work lunch this week too.

    You’re almost as good at this as Terron used to be, and still is!

  313. mj: Tomorrow, it will be something else. It is pure diversion. Someone should do an in-depth true investigative report on BO’s background, history, and shady associations. Sitting in a “church” for 20 years, listening to white hatred and black liberation theology is a problem. This guy does not qualify for a security clearance. Our enemies will laugh at us, if he becomes POTUS.

    p.s. I am on a media blackout. It helps, to decrease my blood pressure.

  314. PM, if the numbers for the states of Indiana, North Carolina, and Pennsylvannia are accurate with future primary results, I will be VERY EXCITED 😀

  315. Thanks for letting me know about the match, Emjay. I’d never donated to anyone’s political campaign until now. But I figured that even though my vote doesn’t count, my money most certainly does.

    Off to bed now. Goodnight, y’all!

  316. You know, that Tiffany’s purchase is weird. I would think someone in the press would want to know how that came about.

  317. space: thank you. Just the fact that she made those trips, speaks volumes for her courage and patriotism.

  318. I just logged in and learnt about this Bosnia trip flap. It is a minor flap. But a flap nevertheless. I am glad that Hillary admitted to her “misstatement.” It will blow over. It is something that the Obama campaign will crow about after the pounding they have taken over the last two weeks. They will use it to attack her in their daily attacks. As Taylor Marsh points out, it is self-inflicted. However, it is a minor setback compared to McCain confusing Iran and Al Qaida link.

    It is definitely minor league compared to Obama’s ‘typical white person’ comment and the Wright controversy. Or for that matter George W Bush saying “whoops” on the weapons of mass destruction. No one is going to vote based on whether she landed under the threat of sniper fire or under sniper fire.

    Obama was caught in a major lie when he initially said that he wasn’t present in the pews for the Wright sermons and then admitted he was present for the sermons. That is a major-league lie. The big media chose not to call him on it. Similarly Obama ahs been shifting his stories on Rezko’s contributions to him, his taking a tour of his house with him, and whether he was in his 2004 campaign committee. There is plenty we can throw back at them

    The biased big media got its pound of flesh! Let us take our lumps and knocks on this matter and move on and not get defensive about this because that only prolongs the “gotcha” and keeps the story alive.

    By the end of the week, this would be forgotten.

  319. I have to get over being incredulous – but the media has 11,000 pages of her schedule, and instead of focusing on the massive amounts she did do – and that even Judicial Watch believes she was “co-President” – they instead focus on what she didn’t do.

    ARGH!

    Texan4Hillary – I believe someone on the board already has a partial list of super-delegate contacts – I’m wondering if it’s kaffeen.

  320. Movie recommendation – Dr. Seuss’ Horton Hears a Who

    the last scenes struck me as resembling our predicament with the press – trying to be loud enough to be heard. Go see it! great parable.

  321. I agree with TPS in not hashing on this. But if the BM DO continue, I belive we need to POUND THEM WITH CALLS CALLS CALLS and letters re: BO’s BIG LIE about being at the church.

    DO NOT LET UP

    as for the pdf link, it illustrates she was there on a number of occasions and in and of itself cold cause confusion.

    Now, I have NO illusion that Hillary isn’t a politician too, but i believe her faith is in this country and it’s people. Whereas I do not believe Barack Obama to be in the least bit patriotic.

    Take THAT MyDD!

    I have to go to bed now. WAY too late and I have to work tomorrow.

    nite all

  322. I 2nd the rec for Horton!

    I can’t fight this feeling anymore, I’ve forgotten what I started fighting for…

  323. Dude, I just realized something.

    PA is on 4/22 and NC is 5/6… so if anyone is planning to travel to both states, there’s only about a 1 week break (that’s assuming you only want to spend 7 days in NC).

    I know a guy who has helped out in La, TX, MS, PA and he plans to do both NC and Puerto Rico. That’s dedication and someone with lots of dinero.

  324. from Anglachel’s Journal – current topic : anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/03/when-wishes-come-true.html#links

    excerpt “when wishes come true”

    I want her to make The Precious fight every step of the way in order to teach Howard Dean that a 50 state strategy includes all the voters of all the states, not just those who support Howie’s favorite. I want her to continue to stand up for the millions of voters Golden Boy Barry has declared to be untrustworthy and undeserving of a vote because they may not vote for him. And, after Obama’s forces descend on the Denver convention in buses chartered by Obama to haul half of Chicago accross the plains, and hold made-for-the-media “riot” (kind of like 1968 crossed with the Florida recount), and threaten the super delegates into voting for The Precious, I will grimly watch the crushing defeat of Obama, Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Richardson and all the other idiots who succumbed to Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

    This is what the DNC deserves for having turned a campaign to promote our party into a witch hunt to politically murder the person most popular with the Democratic rank and file and the most qualified to lead the nation in a time of growing crisis.

  325. texan4hillary Says:

    March 25th, 2008 at 1:07 am
    we shoudl create a contact list for superds. anyone want to help?

    count me in. I have NC, PA, IN and WV. The ones that are hardest to find aren’t the reps or govs, it is those listed as “DNC”.

  326. One other thing PLEASE go to this page and click on the POLL about Hillary or BO. Do not take the poll but click on the link to the poll company. There is a comments or a contact us link on the page. PLEASE write to them and COMPLAIN about the picture they are using of Hillary. She looks wacky, whereas they have BO ina grand pose in front of the Capitol Dome. I wrote them last night and called them on this crap. That call themselves a POLL…

    this is like “leading the witness” and it STINKS

    thanks

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5218599&mesg_id=5218599

  327. Watched Rove on fox saying what apparently got Carville riled up was that Richardson told Obama 2 weeks ago that he was going to endorse him (doesn’t that make Richardson a liar for saying the speech was the deciding factor) and instead of being upfront about it waited for an Obama bad day to announce it.

  328. Front page of tomorrow’s NYTimes: 😀

    March 25, 2008
    Clinton Calls for $30 Billion for Home Mortgage Crisis
    By PATRICK HEALY

    PHILADELPHIA — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton returned to one of her major campaign themes Monday — the economic impact of the home mortgage crisis — and called on Congress to provide $30 billion to help states and communities lessen the number of foreclosures.

    In a speech at the University of Pennsylvania, Mrs. Clinton proposed several other moves to deal with foreclosures, like tapping two former chairmen of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan and Paul A. Volcker, and former Treasury Secretary Robert E. Rubin, to lead a “high-level emergency working group” to recommend ways to restructure at-risk mortgages to help avert more foreclosures.

    Her speech comes as the mortgage crisis continues to ripple across the economy, threatening the homes of millions of Americans and endangering some of the nation’s leading financial institutions that helped finance these now-troubled mortgages.

    As much as she focused on ways to ease the mortgage crisis, Senator Clinton also dwelled on what she called “a crisis of confidence in our country,” and portrayed herself as the candidate best able to address the economic problems of middle-income and economically struggling families.

    “We need a president who can restore our confidence,” she said. “We need a president who is ready on Day 1 to be commander in chief of our economy.”

    For more than a year, both Mrs. Clinton and her rival, Senator Barack Obama, have been proposing ideas to prevent the widening of the mortgage foreclosure crisis through more active government intervention to aid at-risk homeowners. In returning to that theme Monday, almost four weeks before the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, she appeared to be trying to persuade voters that she would be a take-charge leader focused on results — in contrast to Mr. Obama, whom she has criticized as offering high-minded, eloquent speeches instead of policy ideas.

    Although Senator Clinton is in a tough battle for the Democratic nomination with Mr. Obama, and her recent remarks have included sharp criticisms of him, she did not mention Mr. Obama Monday, — only implicitly contrasting herself with him by arguing that she was the better equipped candidate to manage the economy.

    Even so, Mr. Obama’s campaign quickly issued a statement noting that he had urged the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department to hold a “homeownership preservation summit” — an idea, an Obama spokesman said, that was akin to Mrs. Clinton’s emergency working group.

    “One key difference, however, is the diversity and representation that Obama called for — not just some of the same people who helped to create these problems or have a direct financial industry stake in the outcome,” said Bill Burton, the Obama spokesman, referring to Mr. Rubin and Mr. Greenspan, who some critics have said was responsible for overseeing the spread of lax lending standards that caused the subprime crisis.

    Mrs. Clinton mixed several gloomy housing statistics with criticisms of President Bush, whom she characterized as a passive leader and belittled by asserting that, unlike him, she would be a president “working to prevent crises rather than just reacting too little too late.” Also in her plan, Mrs. Clinton endorsed federal legislation to expand the government’s ability to guarantee restructured mortgages, which she believes would lead more banks and other private entities to buy and resell mortgages.

    And she said she would introduce legislation soon to provide mortgage servicers with protection from litigation when they modified mortgages; Mrs. Clinton asserted that some servicers stayed away from mortgage restructuring because they feared being sued by unhappy homeowners.

    In his first public event since returning from a trip to the Middle East and Europe, Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, renewed his insistence on seeing the war in Iraq through until a victory was achieved, and said he had seen clear signs of progress there. “If we set a date for withdrawal,” as Senators Clinton and Obama have argued, “all will be lost and there will be chaos and genocide,” he predicted.

    “Compared to where we were a year ago, we are succeeding in Iraq,” Mr. McCain said at a brief town hall meeting on Monday afternoon at a Veterans of Foreign Wars post in Chula Vista, Calif. Al Qaeda, he said, though not defeated, “is on the run,” but Democrats “have tried to raise the white flag of surrender time and time again.”

    Larry Rohter contributed reporting from Chula Vista, Calif.

  329. Wait, NC and Indiana have primaries on the same day.

    I can’t be two states at the same time.

    That means I’ll just have to do PA and NC. What was I thinking?

  330. Question about Oregon… if that state has a mail-in-ballot Primary, do they even need OOS volunteers? We can just call from home, right?

    I wonder what type of operation a campaign will set-up with that kind of esoteric electoral process?

  331. BTW….Dobbs said tonight that Obama Claims Hillary is using his economic plan…that she just reworded a few things

  332. That Healy article isn’t bad. Two things, though. hill has made the mortgage crisis central to her candidacy, BO has offered almost noting on it, so it is simply untrue to claim he has. Second, experts like the three top economist, who all support one candidate, is a great idea. My Governor, in his first year, kept trying in new people. It was a disaster. None of them knew what they were doing.

  333. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 25th, 2008 at 1:34 am
    BTW….Dobbs said tonight that Obama Claims Hillary is using his economic plan…that she just reworded a few things

    That’s insane.

  334. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 25th, 2008 at 1:34 am
    BTW….Dobbs said tonight that Obama Claims Hillary is using his economic plan…that she just reworded a few things
    ————————–

    yeah, maybe Barry can claim that Bill Clinton ripped off his economic plan that he wrote on a napkin while at Harvard Law – except BC just reworded a few things.

  335. hi hillfans. a word about carville. he is famous becuase of the clintons. at least he did not turn is back on the clintons like so many of his other turned obamabots. so many former clinton adviser’s careers were made off clinton’s name but when it came to loyalty they had none. i respect carville for that.

  336. Those poll numbers on the speech are interesting. They assume aa’s didn’t like it because he was playing to whites or something, but I wonder if it is because he braod brushed all aa churches as like Wright, and they know that isn’t true.

  337. mj Says:
    March 25th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Does anyone have a link to the 11k pages?

    The links are online. Some MSM or MSM blog or maybe Fox posted them and invited viewers to help dig through. Dig in?

  338. Tiny Dancer – welcome back. Thanks for the War Room youtube – was nice to see that again. Makes me realize in the video when he mentions he was 42 when he won his first campaign – I never knew that he was so much older than he looks (now 63 and still looks like he’s 40s).

  339. Terron, are you still here? Did you read that poll? i’m wondering what your thoughts are on why aa’s didn’t like the speech?

  340. mj Says:
    March 25th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Those poll numbers on the speech are interesting. They assume aa’s didn’t like it because he was playing to whites or something, but I wonder if it is because he braod brushed all aa churches as like Wright, and they know that isn’t true.

    I wonder when that factor was going to show up! Haven’t seen such a poll though, can anyone give me a clue where to find it, or quote something nice?

  341. texan4hillary Says:

    March 25th, 2008 at 2:20 am
    so what is the rumor on rep woolsey boltingto obama? im very alarmed by this guys.

    When did you hear that? Wow, that would really suck.

  342. mj, im still catching up on my hillary news. new job change plus the wife recovering i wish i was up on as much.

  343. I think what Hillary was trying to convey was that this was a war zone, she landed in a Black Hawk helicopter, there were snipers in the hills, and she went there to visit the troops. That alone is sufficient to prove what needed to be proven namely that she did important work for the nation at personal risk during her tenure as First Lady.

    And that was something that needed to be proved because the same hostile press who are attacking her now previously attempted to challenge her on that issue. I trust that challenge has now been answered and nothing more will be said about that.

    The current dispute is a limited one and relates soley as to whether she was actually fired on when she landed. In Living History she said nothing about that whereas more recently she did. Now she has set the record straight on through Wolfson by confirming the earlier account.

    What was her state of mind when she made that comment? I suspect she was merely attempting to emphasize the danger which was already obvious from the facts elicited above. To that extent it was unnecessary and it was harmless error.

    The problem here of course is that the media will try to make more out of it than it actually is. That is because they are trying to force her out of the race for the worst of reasons. Therefore, she will need to be more circumspect in the future and I am quite sure that she will be notwithstanding the rigors of this campaign.

    In a just universe this would be a non-issue because Barack has told some real whoppers of his own such as not being in church when Reverend Wright was hatemongering, saying he would leave the church if he knew which he has since corrected. Those are what I would call serious lies.

    As for Olberman, the world would be a far better place if he would spend his spare time learning the fine art of amour so lonely hearts of the female persuasion would not have to set up websites deploring his obvious shortcommings. His political analysis is of course an even greater travesty.

  344. re: woolsey

    this is what poster on TM is saying:

    the unconfirmed speculation on dkos is that the endorsement will stay Clinton but the vote will be cast according to district.

    Wonk the Vote | 03.25.2008

  345. mj, dailykos. read about it on Taylor’s comment section.

    Update:

    From 2008 Democratic Convention Watch: Woolsey hasn’t switched.

    Monday, March 24, 2008
    A Tale of Two California Congresswomen

    The blogosphere, or at least the Daily Kos part of it, was all aflutter today with the rumor that California Representative Lynn Woolsey was about to pull back her endorsement of Clinton, and instead, endorse Obama, either directly, or as the winner of her district, or just endorse the winner of the national pledged delegates. The diarist at Kos said she had talked to someone in Woolsey’s office, who said the news release would be out shortly. Other callers, including ourselves, were told the same thing.

    So we had a post all ready to go with the news. We just waited for the announcement. And waited. And finally, we contacted Woolsey’s office. (We don’t claim to be journalists here, but sometimes we can’t help ourselves). And, lo and behold, we found out that the information was false, and that Congresswoman Woolsey was not changing her endorsement.

    A communication mistake? A call from the Clinton campaign? Don’t know at this point.

    But now, the flip side. It turns out another California congresswoman did pull her endorsement of a Democratic presidential candidate today. But it wasn’t Woolsey, and the candidate losing the endorsement was not Clinton:

    Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a San Jose Democrat who will attend the state convention, says superdelegates should back the leader in delegates and popular votes. Lofgren has endorsed Obama, but said she would back Clinton if she took the lead in June.

    That statement is no different than Nancy Pelosi has made, and therefore Lofgren will be moved from Obama back to Uncommitted. Tomorrow. Just is case this gets walked back also.

    And lets be clear about the reality. While our tracking numbers for Obama will go down by 1, all analyses of the pledged delegate situation show that it is very difficult to come up with a reasonable scenario that shows Clinton catching up to Obama in pledged delegates. So a Woolsey move from Clinton to “pledged delegate leader” would actually be more significant.

    But Woolsey didn’t move, and Lofgren did. So Obama’s numbers will go down by 1, and Lofgren becomes the 4th superdelegate to commit to support the national pledged delegate leader.

    h t t p : / / demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/tale-of-two-california-congresswomen.html

  346. Jesus, this rumor has me freaked out. Can you tell us where you heard this? I have heard nothing of this.

  347. woolsey aint bolting. but rumors were she was-some say clinton called her and got her tostay along
    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/tale-of-two-california-congresswomen.html

  348. From 2008 Democratic Convention Watch: Woolsey hasn’t switched.

    Monday, March 24, 2008
    A Tale of Two California Congresswomen

    The blogosphere, or at least the Daily Kos part of it, was all aflutter today with the rumor that California Representative Lynn Woolsey was about to pull back her endorsement of Clinton, and instead, endorse Obama, either directly, or as the winner of her district, or just endorse the winner of the national pledged delegates. The diarist at Kos said she had talked to someone in Woolsey’s office, who said the news release would be out shortly. Other callers, including ourselves, were told the same thing.

    So we had a post all ready to go with the news. We just waited for the announcement. And waited. And finally, we contacted Woolsey’s office. (We don’t claim to be journalists here, but sometimes we can’t help ourselves). And, lo and behold, we found out that the information was false, and that Congresswoman Woolsey was not changing her endorsement.

    A communication mistake? A call from the Clinton campaign? Don’t know at this point.

    But now, the flip side. It turns out another California congresswoman did pull her endorsement of a Democratic presidential candidate today. But it wasn’t Woolsey, and the candidate losing the endorsement was not Clinton:

    Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a San Jose Democrat who will attend the state convention, says superdelegates should back the leader in delegates and popular votes. Lofgren has endorsed Obama, but said she would back Clinton if she took the lead in June.

    That statement is no different than Nancy Pelosi has made, and therefore Lofgren will be moved from Obama back to Uncommitted. Tomorrow. Just is case this gets walked back also.

    And lets be clear about the reality. While our tracking numbers for Obama will go down by 1, all analyses of the pledged delegate situation show that it is very difficult to come up with a reasonable scenario that shows Clinton catching up to Obama in pledged delegates. So a Woolsey move from Clinton to “pledged delegate leader” would actually be more significant.

    But Woolsey didn’t move, and Lofgren did. So Obama’s numbers will go down by 1, and Lofgren becomes the 4th superdelegate to commit to support the national pledged delegate leader.

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/tale-of-two-california-congresswomen.html

    Wonk the Vote | 03.25.2008 – 02:26 am | #

  349. I can not imagine if Lynn were considering voting for Obama she would have signed this letter dated March 19th.

    Wednesday, March 19, 2008
    Out of Iraq Caucus Members Step Up to Defend Clinton

    Sixteen Democratic members of the Out of Iraq Caucus stepped up to defend Hillary Clinton’s record on the Iraq war, issuing an open letter Tuesday asserting Clinton is the ideal candidate to bring the war to a “responsible” end.

    The letter came after Clinton accused Barack Obama, her Democratic presidential primary opponent, and John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, of pursuing flawed approaches to managing the forces in Iraq. The New York senator followed that up with a “bringing our troops home” campaign event Tuesday, where she was flanked by Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson and his wife, outed CIA agent Valerie Plame.

    “We believe there is no higher priority for the next president of the United States than ending this war, and we believe there is no one better prepared and more committed to bringing this war to a responsible conclusion than Hillary Clinton,” Clinton’s congressional supporters said in the letter.

    The authors — including Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, California Rep. Lynn Woolsey and California Rep. Maxine Waters — claimed Clinton offered the most comprehensive strategy for Iraq and had stiffly challenged the Pentagon to plan for troop withdrawals.

    “We support Hillary Clinton because she is the candidate with the stature, strength, and experience needed to end this war as quickly and responsibly as possible,” the caucus members wrote.

    Clinton on Tuesday said a well-planned troop withdrawal is the only path to a political solution in Iraq. She was preceded by endorsements from Wilson and Plame, who said that after years of “character assassination,” she learned from Clinton that their fight wasn’t about them but how to conduct the debate and find the leadership to get the U.S. out of Iraq.

    In her speech Monday, Clinton claimed McCain would just prolong President Bush’s strategy for as long as “100 years.” She said Obama only followed through on his 2002 speech opposing the war in Iraq when he started to run for president, and that his commitment to swiftly bringing the troops home is uncertain.

    In response, Obama said Monday that it’s “not enough to stand up and say you’re ready on day one, you need to be right on day one.” He said Clinton voted to authorize war and so has lost the authority to complain about its execution.

  350. Every day there’s drama. New and unexpected things thrown Hillary’s way. Some good. Some not so good.

    Texas primary was on Mar 4th, but it feels like months have past. Feels like a year has past since the Calif primary.

  351. Theses are the times I wish I was like the rest of my family: nonpolitical. When it comes to politics, they’re voluble.

    I wonder how people who make a career out of politics do it elections after elections. It’s exciting, but there’s so many rough patches to deal with. Can’t possibly be good for the heart.

  352. Just as an aside, I’ve seen Lynn Woolsey on C-SPAN. She reminds me of a cat lady. Nice and sweet, but a bit of a bumbler. I wonder how she came to represent a district in L.A.? Don’t they like their people rough and tough there?

    People like Maxine Waters and Diane Watson.

  353. flibertsf,

    Woolsey represents Marin and Sonoma Counties, not LA. And I am elated she chose to maintain her endorsement of Hillary.

  354. Woolsey is in my neck of the woods? For some reason, I always thought she’s from L.A.

    Well, I guess L.A. really do like the rough.

  355. I do not believe they did, which explains why her office contradicted the information a random blogger published at Daily Kos.

  356. by the way, everyone in my peer group tells me i am supporting the wrong candidate. all of my friendships are strained as a result of my support for hillary. and hillary’s supporters in my area are not particularly kind. in fact, they are somewhat rude.

  357. Yep. Another John Lewis type of defection isn’t good for either morale or our chances at the nomination.

  358. what hillary is telling superds-blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/03/clinton_campaigns_focuses_on_s.html

  359. Pulch, really? Hill’s supporters are rude? None of your peer group supports her? Are there any on the fence?

  360. pulch, I hate to sound negative, but anything in politics is possible. It’s really about a marriage of convenience and power grab. There’s no love or loyalty (a la Richardson)

    I remember Ininla saying something about Axelrod and Hillary having a history together. Axelrod has a son with a disability and Hillary was a big champion (?) of one of their causes. Look at Axelrod now. He’s tearing her down relentlessly.

  361. filberts- this is the article – Clinton supported Susan Axelrod’s foundation to cure epilepsy (one of three of the Axelrod’s kids has epilepsy) nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html?pagewanted=4&_r=3&adxnnlx=1203225155-It983aFml9FuWgXuQ1RcOg

    David and Susan Axelrod have three children in their late teens and early 20s. Their eldest, Lauren, has developmental disabilities associated with chronic epileptic seizures and now lives in a group home in Chicago. [snip] It was January 1999, President Clinton’s impeachment trial was just beginning in the Senate and Hillary Clinton was scheduled to speak at the foundation’s fund-raiser in Chicago. Despite all the fuss back in Washington, Clinton kept the appointment. She spent hours that day in the epilepsy ward at Rush Presbyterian hospital, visiting children hooked up to machines by electrodes so that doctors might diagram their seizure activity and decide which portion of the brain to remove. At the hospital, a local reporter pressed her about the trial in Washington, asked her about that woman. At the organization’s reception at the Drake Hotel that evening, Clinton stood backstage looking over her remarks, figuring out where to insert anecdotes about the kids. “She couldn’t stop talking about what she had seen,” Susan Axelrod recalled. Later, at Hillary Clinton’s behest, the National Institutes of Health convened a conference on finding a cure for epilepsy. Susan Axelrod told me it was “one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy.” And this is how politics works: David Axelrod is now dedicated to derailing this woman’s career.

  362. texan4hillary: it did not make sense to me either–first welfare mother to serve in congress as I seem to recall. She knows the problems the country is facing and that Hillary has solutions.

    And what can we say about Obama tonight that is printable . . . . how bout this: flash! BO and MO fly to the Virgin Islands to get away from the Trinity Church controversy but upon their return to JFK Airport are denied entry because the a company owned by his advisor screwed up their passports whereupon Chernoff sees his middle name panics and declares code red. Whereupon the Obama campaign without checking the facts blames HRC because she is New York Senator and Anderson Cooper without checking the facts declares that Barack is the victim of racial profilng. And then when all looks lost Barack steps forward says he made a speech on immigration law when he was in the Illinois Senate, this proves he had good judment and none of this would have happened if we had just listened to pissants like him, Rezko and the Illinois Combine (fade to black).

  363. but filbert, obama is the source of axelrod’s salary, while woolsey receives her salary from the federal government.

    mj, most of my friends are men between the ages of twenty-five and thirty-two. and most of the supporters of hillary in my area are women over forty, and those who are engaged are generally wealthy. because i am not a native of this city, i am generally dismissed, as i am viewed as an interloper.

  364. mj, most of my friends are men between the ages of twenty-five and thirty-two. and most of the supporters of hillary in my area are women over forty, and those who are engaged are generally wealthy. because i am not a native of this city, i am generally dismissed, as i am viewed as an interloper.

    You’re in NC, aren’t you? If they treat you that way, how will they feel about 20-something, Bay Area out-of-staters invading their state. Will I be dismissed and marginalized, too?

    I have deep reservations about Southerners, hence my reluctance to volunteer there. The fact that Southerners still re-enact the Civil War is evidence that they refuse to let go of their past (and a freakin’ war they lost!)

  365. Civil war reenactments are great for tourists. i like the south. People are generally friendly. It’s much different than Boston, where everyone yells at eachother on the roads, and drives very agreessively. The South is laid back, people are generally polite.

  366. wbboei – nice little one act play there.

    Isn’t interesting that if we as a society had a vocabulary to describe all the different ways the “race card” can be played, from true racism to “victimism” – that we’d have a better grasp of what BO is doing to us (and more specifically than saying he’s “bamboozling” us).

  367. mj, there is a difference between politeness to strangers and acceptance.

    San Franciscans aren’t famous for their hospitality either. People are generally too busy to greet someone on the street. But there’s a clear openness to ideas and lifestyles. Generally, there’s a live and let live attitude here that I’m afraid is not what Southerners subscribe to.

    In TX, I was surprisingly at home in liberal Austin. However, I was told that Austin is an anomaly.

    It’s important that if I stay in a state like NC for a week, that the people I interact with and encourage to swing Hillary’s way, don’t marginalize me, or as pulch puts it, feel as an interloper.

  368. Interesting perspective from a Taylor Marsh poster –

    lofgren is my congresswoman.

    i wrote her a nice, but pointed email when i found out she was backing BO. her district went overwhelmingly for clinton in the CA primary…something like 70-30% IIRC.

    maybe she’s catching flak from other constituents and has truly shifted or maybe this is just a way to appear to be listening to us since BO will probably wind up with more pledged delegates anyway.

    she’s also close to pelosi and, at this point, that doesn’t give me any warm fuzzies.
    ————————–
    though i wonder if the Wright situation is making SDs hesitate, and they’re trying to move back to “uncommitted” without drawing huge attn to that fact.

  369. “She couldn’t stop talking about what she had seen,” Susan Axelrod recalled. Later, at Hillary Clinton’s behest, the National Institutes of Health convened a conference on finding a cure for epilepsy. Susan Axelrod told me it was “one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy.”

    We have a child with something comparable (doctors thought it was epilepsy but it was something else that can be far worse or better) and the emotions that you go through when your child is suffering or when you face the realization that you won’t be able to care for your child as they will likely outlive you rocks you to your core. You look for drugs, treatments, anything that may provide a solution. Now or in the future.

    As a parent, I’m grateful to the doctors that have helped him back to some sense of normalcy. They may have just been doing their jobs but having your kid back or the hope of a cure or treatment in the future is a lot to any parent.

    Perhaps someone should write a book on the Judas’ out there. I think that it owuld make for fascinating reading.

  370. the social hierarchies are very rigid in charlotte, and access to power and resources is largely determined by nepotism and mediocrity and not by competence and accomplishments. for example, a recipient of an ivy league degree can remain unemployed for years in this city, but those who hold degrees from local universities with no real clout are granted jobs and other social rewards.

  371. Unconvinced by Obama’s Wright Speech

    Monday, March 24, 2008 2:28 PM

    By: Edward I. Koch Article Font Size

    Barack Obama’s speech last week addressing his 20-year relationship with his radical pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was very well done, yet unconvincing.

    Obama sought to explain that relationship and why he could not end this close association, despite the minister’s hate-filled rhetoric. He said, “There will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Rev. Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church?”

    Yes, those are the questions that people are asking.

    Many of Rev. Wright’s incendiary statements are on videos sold by his church. Minister Louis Farrakhan, a friend of Rev. Wright with whom he traveled to visit Muammar Qadaffi in Libya, also makes his sermons and those of others associated with the Nation of Islam available for sale. Their attacks on the U.S. and Israel often coincide with those of Rev. Wright.

    Rev. Wright’s sermons charge that the U.S. government gives African-Americans drugs, created AIDS, and is deliberately infecting blacks with that disease. His sermons claim that the U.S. unjustifiably nuclear bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II, and that 9/11 and the deaths of 3,000 Americans were caused by U.S. foreign policy.

    He alleges Israeli state terrorism against the Palestinians; calling Israel a “dirty word” and “racist country.” He blames Israel for 9/11 and supports the divestment campaign against it, denouncing “Zionism.” His venomous thoughts are summed up in his most discussed sermon in which he says the U.S. government “wants us to sing God Bless America. No, no, not God Bless America. God damn America. God damn America for killing innocent people.”

    Sen. Obama in his speech acknowledged that the rantings of his minister are “inexcusable,” but stated, “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

    Before we discuss his grandmother, let’s examine the impact of Rev. Wright’s statements on the senator’s two daughters. Nothing says it better than a song from the musical “South Pacific,” to wit, “You have to be taught to hate and fear…You’ve got to be carefully taught.” Few dispute that Rev. Wright’s sermons are filled with hate. Why didn’t Obama stand up in the church and denounce his hateful statements or, at the very least, argue privately with his minister? It was horrifying to see on a video now viewed across America the congregation rise from the pews to applaud their minister’s rants.

    Now to Obama’s grandmother. There was a time spanning the 70’s to the mid-90s when many blacks and whites in large American cities expressed the same feelings on street crime held by Obama’s grandmother. Indeed, the Rev. Jesse Jackson made similar comments in 1993 at a meeting of his organization, Operation Push, devoted to street crime. According to a Nov. 29, 1993, article in the Chicago Sun Times, he said, “’We must face the No. 1 critical issue of our day. It is youth crime in general and black-on-black crime in particular.’ Then Jackson told the audience, ‘There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved . . . After all we have been through,’ he said. ‘Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.’”

    Isn’t that exactly what Obama’s grandmother was referring to? To equate her fears, similar to Jesse Jackson’s, with Wright’s anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-Israel rantings is despicable coming from a grandson. In today’s vernacular, he threw her under the wheels of the bus to keep his presidential campaign rolling. For shame.

    What is it that I and others expected Obama to do? A great leader with conscience and courage would have stood up and faced down anyone who engages in such conduct. I expect a president of the United States to have the strength of character to denounce and disown enemies of America — foreign and domestic — and yes, even his friends and confidants when they get seriously out of line.

    What if a minister in a church attended primarily by white congregants or a rabbi in a synagogue attended primarily by Jews made comparable statements that were hostile to African-Americans? I have no doubt that the congregants would have immediately stood up and openly denounced the offending cleric.

    Others would have criticized that cleric in private. Some would surely have ended their relationships with their congregation. Obama didn’t do any of these things. His recent condemnations of Wright’s hate-filled speech are, in my opinion, a case of too little, too late.

    It is also disturbing to me that Obama’s wife, Michelle, during a speech in Wisconsin last month, said, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”

    Strange. This is a woman who has had a good life, with opportunities few whites or blacks have been given. When she entered Princeton and Harvard and later became a partner in a prestigious law firm, didn’t she feel proud to be an American?

    When she and the senator bought their new home, was there no feeling of accomplishment and pride in being a U.S. citizen? When her husband was elected to the state legislature and subsequently to the United States Senate, didn’t she feel proud of her country?

    Obama was asked if he thought his speech changed any minds. He replied he didn’t think so, and certainly not of those who weren’t already for him. A more important question is, whether his 20-year relationship with Wright has done lasting damage to his candidacy.

    We will soon know.

  372. Pastor preached what Obamas believe.

    Mychal Massie
    Posted: March 25, 2008
    1:00 am Eastern

    Barack Obama’s “More Perfect Union” speech of March 18 was a transpicuous opprobrium intended to obfuscate, shift blame and cast all churchdom in the same light as his mentor and pastor. In reality, his speech provided us with a closer look into Obama the man, and suffice it to say, he came up woefully lacking.

    In his speech, Obama called slavery America’s original sin. I beg to differ on strict theological grounds (of which he and/or his mentor/pastor are welcome to debate me). America’s original sin is the same as original sin has been from the beginning – it was and it continues to be man’s disobedience to God. Obama, as a self-professed “devout Christian,” should know this, but he chose instead to play the race card.

    He continued his remarks with a quasi-elegant, albeit factually incomplete and misleading treatise, pursuant to racial inequality, all of which was intended to set the stage for what was to come – a thinly veiled defense of his mentor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright – a gymnastic feat so adroit as to be the envy of the most nimble prevaricator.

    To add insult to that injury, he conveniently omitted any reference to the fact that it was the party he represents that opposed every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860s up to and including the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

    He fanned the flames of racism in mentioning his being black. He left unmentioned that it was members of his own party that made his ethnicity an issue. And it was noted black journalists, not least of which is Stanley Crouch, of the New York Daily News, who argued that while he was black, he didn’t share a heritage with the majority of black America. (See: “What Obama Isn’t: Black Like Me”; New York Daily News; Nov. 2, 2006.)

    But the part of his speech that I found most troubling was when he said, “Did I know [Rev. Wright] to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”

    The problem I have with his attempted fence straddling is his usage of the words “occasionally” and “that could be considered.” When Jeremiah Wright said, “God damn America,” and when he in effect said Natalie Holloway got what she deserved – I submit his words went beyond that which “could be considered controversial.” When he alleged white America got its just comeuppance on 9/11, and when he attacked Israel as a racist state – I submit his verbiage went beyond that which “could be considered controversial.” When he accused the United States of creating the AIDS virus and spreading it abroad, when he called America “these racist United States” and accused America of imperialism – all of which were delivered from the pulpit – I submit his words went beyond even the most liberal definition of “could be considered controversial.”

    Grouped collectively with the volume of similar non-biblical outbursts from the pulpit, I submit his diatribes far transcended any reasonable understanding of “an occasional fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy.” I would further demand of Obama and Wright himself how any of his malicious diatribes helped congregants better understand the Scriptures and/or helped them to become Christians or to more like Jesus.

    It is clearly apparent that Wright wears his contempt for whites, Jews, America and whoever else doesn’t fit his paradigm of correctness on his sleeve. And I argue that Obama was being disingenuous when he attempted to minimize same. Even though he now calls Wright’s words “wrong and divisive,” the question he didn’t answer is what steps he took to distinguish for Wright the hatefulness of his diatribes.

    Even more troubling than the fact that he and his family sat under Wright’s contemptuous hate-mongering, is he expects us to believe that though Wright was his mentor, none of Wright’s dogmas took root in himself or his family’s being. Are we to believe that Wright mentored him with a different worldview?

    Obama’s undisguised attempt to cast all pastors in the same light as Wright is an insult to true Christians. There is a difference between being convicted by the Holy Spirit and passionately preaching the inerrant Word of God, and that which Obama casually gives attribution to, as being “something our pastor might say with which we disagree.”

    I submit that Obama and family, along with the other members of that church, could not sit under Wright’s tutelage without his opinions and teachings taking root in their core beings. To suggest otherwise would be tantamount to arguing that the teachings of terrorist mullahs and ayatollahs have no effect on the minds of those who listen to them and subsequently put into practice that with which they have been indoctrinated.

    Obama and his wife have been very adept at secreting from public scrutiny the views they share with Wright, but as their carefully constructed veneer is removed, the would-be emperor and empress are exposed as sharing more in common with Wright than they do with the everyday citizens.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59771

  373. link? i think wright has damaged his general election prospects,not sure about theprimary dems areeager this yr to commit suicide

  374. That rasmussen poll showing Hillary and Obama about even among Jewish voters is worrisome. Going to have to find Jewish websites and synagogues in remaining states and send the Hamas story to them.

  375. Frankly i think that poll showing them evenly matched in jewish circles is skewed, there is no way in hell that is happening.

  376. also-hillary up for 2debates april 16 and 19.good grief.we dont need a problem before pa votes.and april19 is the 1stnight ofpassover . not fair.

  377. Good morning Hillfans. Besides the WND article cited above, there are two more articles posted at RW about two more controversial Chicago clergy associated with BO. Pass it on.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/follow-money-klein-obama-money-man-tied.html

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-degree-of-separation-corsi-another.html

  378. Good morning all Hillary supporters. Isn’t today supposed to be a money raising day for our candidate? Not sure how this is organized, but I will donate $50.00 this morning. Who will match me? Let’s go. We have work to do!!

  379. So some of the Obama people tried to throw people off with a rumor about Woolsey to cover for Obama losing Lofgren from pledged to uncommitted. Do you think we will see a big to do about it from the media? Of course not.

    Just like we basically did not see a thing about Obama’s bald face lie regarding what he did or did not hear Wright said. But Clinton Misspeaks about Bosnia and the press acts like they just cracked the Watergate case all over again.

    The media is the most disgusting group of people I have ever encountered.

  380. Also, does the media think the Wright situation has gone away with Obama? They are fooling themselves. I think we will seen the remaining primaries that the Wright controversy has damaged him so much he will lose all of the remaining states. I said this yesterday but I will say it again. I live in the Bay Area and work in SF. Before Wright there were Obama signs and stickers literally everywhere. There are hardly any to be seen anymore. This is liberal California. If we get it then the rest of the country gets it. Obama is toast and the media trying to pretend that it’s all been swept under the rug by his “speech” is delusion on their part. And there is no way I buy that poll that Jews split evenly for Obama and Clinton. You have got to be kidding me.

  381. The Bosnia story is the biggest non-story ever.

    It reminds me of when Gore said he went to TX with the head of FEMA, and it turned out he went with the deputy head of FEMA.

    So what? It actually proves Hillary did a lot of work in foreign policy.

  382. I live in Western PA and am disgusted with the media coverage of any Hillary and Bill Clinton events either here or elsewhere.Our two newspapers,Post Gazette and Tribune Review(owned by Richard Mellon Scaife ,the BANKROLLER for KEN STARR and the RNC in their filthy scheme to remove The Clintons from the Whitehouse.Our Radio and TV stations are also under control of MSM,featuring Limbaugh,Honsberger,Dowd Kelly,Krauthammer,Matthews,Obermann,Hannity,Bill O,and the list of these sleeze bags goes on and on.Their feed is pure hate and censorship of the truth.They are a danger to our democracy.We get only edited and tailored snips of any Hillary or Bill Event and they are mainly negative.They are pushing Emperor Jones at every turn.Read it and weep folks,our national snack willbe OREOS..

  383. Ooops! Didn’t realize that posted twice. Last night when I tried this on, it didn’t fit so well.

    Thanks to the little fells over at the teenage threat factory, my google search engines for my business were getting overloaded with political speak

  384. The more I think about the MSM’s ignoring the Rezko stuff, the more curious I am as to who BO would pick as a running mate. Maybe that is n the “plan”….

    Get him elected…then we have our first AA….then take him down with Rezko…and seat the pretender. Or worse, Nancy Pelosi.

  385. Please don’t quote the polls because the only poll that matters is the voters and this year too much manipulation by these guys. Unless you get details info where the polls were done…DON”T QUOTE THEM!!!

    Geesh, how many times do you guys need to hear this…The name of the game now is to suppress Hillary voters with “YOU CAN”T WIN CRAP. SO, DON”T PARTICIPATE IN THE MYTH!!!!

  386. Carby, I (unwisely) read David Brook’s column this morning, and it just made me mad as hell. The BLAME these people put on her for WE, THE VOTERS, not wanting our country to go to the hands of Obama and his shills is disgusting. When all this is over, there will be a HUGE price to pay in the media for their complacency and lies.

  387. Thanks Artiste. This is make hay week while BO is a beached whale. The Rezko trial doesn’t resume until March 31st, so it can’t take up air time.

  388. Artiste, you look good LOL

    I asked admin for a big money bomb heading .. it went nowhere.

    Hill needs a lot of $ now. Talked to 3 family members already this am and they sent 25.44 cause they heard on tv she was low on funds.

  389. YES!!!! Laura Ingraham…”this IS the politics of personal destruction. This is the media’s attempt again to take down a good woman”

  390. Artiste .. I’m in again today to for $25.44 ..

    Maybe we can just keep pushing it her on the blog but boy I wish we could get it out on the net big time. The Feb Money Bomb garnered a big haul for her.

  391. Morning all,
    Boy. We should get Kym Worthy, Kwame Kilpatrick’s prosecutor, on our side. That lady rocks. A rea don’t ‘don’t-tell-me-it’s-raining-and-then-pee-on-my-leg kind of gal. 😀
    After flicking through the usual shows and seeing CNN and MSNBC doing their daily Hill-bash, I’ve decided my letter-du-jour will be to FCC and any other media watchdog type groups anyone can suggest. i am disgusted with the non-coverage of important issues. Anyone have contact info?
    Also, Ann and a couple of other posters said they had uncommitted SD info for PA, NC and a couple of other states. Could you email please at hilaryhawke@mhcable.com. thanks

  392. dot…i WISH I had a direct email address for her. I am TRYINNG to cultivate the same relationship with her as yo uhave with your friend. Maybe HE can help me!

    You can write her via her site. There is an email link of the main page.

    1 800 876 4123 is phone

    http://www.lauraingraham.com is the site with the email link

  393. So David Brooks is back to worshipping Obama? Good lord. Please DON’T post his editorial.

    The survey about Jews makes no sense. Exit polls in states with a large jewish pop had Hillary winning with a decided margin.

  394. Basil….I feel your pain, but went through the FCC route…and there is nothing they can do. Write the networs instead…but CALL CALL CALL

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  395. Did anyone get a chance to see the Frontline documentary BUSHES WAR, last night? If you missed it, you missed out. VERY informative. The 2nd part comes on tonight…if you get a chance, try to catch it.

  396. plural – Exactly right. I am so tired of the media. I wish there was a way that the people could really take back the power from this group and cause them great pain (financial and otherwise). MSNBC and GE will never get one dime from me or one minute of my viewing time. Piggy Noonan, Tweety, Ogerman, and David Shitster can go screw themselves as far as I’m concerned. They think they can carry on with their petty vendettas for years and years if they like. Just wait until they have to deal with the American publics’ disgust over their antics. Why was Tweety going on Ellen the other week? Because he’s last in ratings and he was trying to drum up business if you ask me. Well I’m ready to take this guy out (i.e. off the air) for good. He is a disgusting pig of a human being.

  397. Obama is dumb as bricks and he has been giving the green light by the Democratic Leadership to plagerize people better then him. Hey, nobody but the sheep believe Obama now…this guy is the worse thing to happen to this party. He is so arrogant and LOVES the attention and so call power. He won’t be able to handle it at all if he is the nominee.

    This guy is a joke, but a dangereous joke.This guy is getting a free ride but all the help and favors the DNC is arm twisting for this guy. Interesting how the DNC treat the women in the party…just throw them out like trash…Geraldine Ferraro deserved better.

    I will not forget that and will not forget how I supported thoses idiots John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

  398. I am so tired of the media. I wish there was a way that the people could really take back the power from this group and cause them great pain (financial and otherwise

    There is…stop watching. That’s what I did. When all I could get for weeks and weeks was Anna Nicole Smith stuff, I dropped my cable subscription. I’d basically just had enough. Never regretted that choice, either. My home is a much more peaceful place without the 24/7 drone of garbage infiltrating the atmosphere. 🙂

  399. Ooooohhh

    Laura Ingraham said Wright is in Puerto Rico….can we verify this?

    Also, he will be speaking here in my area sometime soon. I heard it on the news yesterday, I think.

  400. Idunn…Iam keeping mine off more and more and it is fine by me! May go back to very basic cable soon. I was paying extra for MSNBC

  401. Thanks Idunn…is that a repeat? I think I have seen that.

    You know, I really don’t know. I’d seen a Frontline doc on the war awhile back too, and though this was the same one. But if it is then I never saw the first part, because last night was all new to me. Maybe I only caught the 2nd part the first time PBS played it? I dunno. Guess I’ll find out tonight.

  402. carbynew – That’s right. The Democratic Party and people like Dean, Pelosi et al have just sh*t all over women if you ask me. Are women and their supporters going to rise up across this country and slam these as*holes down? This is all out war if you ask me. I challenge everyone on this website to step up your game; write letters, donate money, make phone calls, get others on board, convince fence sitters, buy Hillary’s books, travel to one of the primary states to work, participate in the National Bake Sale for Hillary, make a YouTube in support of Hillary. Pull out all the stops and don’t let up until these as*holes know we mean business.

  403. it’s also in the New York Post

    nypost.com/seven/03252008/gossip/pagesix/rev__wrights_sunny_easter_103398.htm

  404. Idunn – I NEVER watch the garbage. The only reason I know about it is because of sites like this. It will only work if a huge majority of people do it. So I challenge everyone on this site today to call your cable company and cancel your subscription today!!

  405. I may be vile and pernicious
    But you can’t look away
    I make you think I’m delicious
    With the stuff that I say
    I’m the best you can get
    Have you guessed me yet?
    I’m the slime oozin’ out
    From your TV set
    ~ Frank Zappa

  406. So I challenge everyone on this site today to call your cable company and cancel your subscription today!!

    And if you CAN’T force yourself to do that, I challenge you to face your addiction head on!

  407. And just for good measure I think we shouldn’t wait to start our drive to get people to switch parties from Democratic to Independent. We should start that now. Even if Hillary is the nominee we can still vote for her. Put all the pressure that we can on these people. F*ck them.

  408. Good Morning!!

    Iam know polls,polls,polls, but over a period of time they tell a story. if we look at them just for that day then they are meaningless. So here it goes

    Rasmussen
    March 25th

    Hillary 46
    Obama 44

  409. Now this is what I’m talking about (note to others in the media – this is what is called reality – fuc*ers!)

    “His three-year record in the Senate, however, offers little evidence that he can do what he’s promising. His party was in the minority for his first two years, and in the third he began campaigning for president and missed lots of time on Capitol Hill. He was absent from or only partly involved in some key bipartisan efforts to head off stalemates on judicial nominations, immigration and Iraq war policy.

    “He is asking us to believe he can do something he has yet to do,” said Michael Fauntroy, an assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University.”

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/31424.html

  410. And just for good measure I think we shouldn’t wait to start our drive to get people to switch parties from Democratic to Independent. We should start that now. Even if Hillary is the nominee we can still vote for her. Put all the pressure that we can on these people. F*ck them.

    Absolutely! I can’t switch my registration, because in TN we’re all technically Independents (I love TN, btw…I’m never leaving!), but I’ve yanked my monetary support of the democratic party, and let them know exactly WHY I did that.

  411. “He is asking us to believe he can do something he has yet to do,” said Michael Fauntroy, an assistant professor of public policy at George Mason University.”

    Well, duh. So did my Governor, and aside from helping ensure marriage equality stayed in MA without a ballot question(which the majority of the legislature agreed with him on), he’s been a disaster.

  412. His three-year record in the Senate, however, offers little evidence that he can do what he’s promising. His party was in the minority for his first two years, and in the third he began campaigning for president and missed lots of time on Capitol Hill. He was absent from or only partly involved in some key bipartisan efforts to head off stalemates on judicial nominations, immigration and Iraq war policy.

    But hey, keep voting for the Axelrod brand, ya mindless lemmings. 🙄

  413. This is unreal when poor little Biden has to stop his run for the Presidency because of a little plagerism. But Obama who has plagerized, has a “spiritual adviser” that is anti-American, lies about what he did and didn’t hear in “the pews,” accuses one of the greatest Presidents ever of being like McCarthy because he is so self centered that he can’t believe someone is having a conversation that is NOT about him, makes sexist statements about Hillary specifically and women in general, whose wife in her 40+ years is only now proud of her country etc etc gets one big fu*king pass! I say put a big bs stamp on that one!

  414. Idunn – I was born in Tennessee. And most of my family still lives there. I’m from East TN. How bout you?

  415. Sorry but I’m staying a democrat who will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. So sorry but I think it’s more effective that way for me, I’m tried of my party taking my vote for granted.

    I’m the black lady who is big on (smart/intelligent) defense, unlike the Bush Administration.

  416. I’m telling you people. Let’s fight like hell every minute from now until Hillary wins that nomination. And let’s rub these mfs face in their friggin bs.

  417. Idunn – I live in California (for years and years now). I was born in Kingsport and most of my relatives live there. Except my mom lives in Franklin (near Nashville) and my brother and his family live in Jackson.

  418. Can some one tell me why Hillary campagin is not all over Obama on his voting record in the IL. Senate?? Is this a non issue??

  419. I was born in Kingsport

    I’m a Va. Beach, Va. transplant. But this is home now…heart and soul. I’m NEVER leaving. 🙂

  420. Carby, I am with you on security. After my years with disaster response, my work in NJ after 9/11, my work with the State and the DHS, I KNOW the kinds of tings that are out there. And if what I knew as a minion was as bad as it was, I can only imagine what the Brass has privy to.

    all this hand holding thatt the Far LEft wants is frightening

  421. nypost.com/seven/03252008/gossip/pagesix/rev__wrights_sunny_easter_103398.htm

    So I see, Dr. Wright is still working for Obama and have gone to Puerto Rico to fight for Obama.

    Team Obama must think we’re are stupid to believe that Dr. Wright going to Puerto Rico is not in his behalf….just like SEIU having their convention there around the primary.

    We need to keep pushing the Church Black Liberation Theology = is rooted in the teachings of MARXISM and the New Black Panther Party recruitment link on Obama’s Campaign website.

    This is who Obama really is and don’t let his lying Two Face IVY League double speak fool you. A 20 year spirital advisor and father figure and the praise in books tells you a lot about the person. Obama is not dumb he knows with Marxism mean and for Obama to lie and swipe the whole body of African American Churches as Black Liberation Theology to save his own self speak volumes about his CHARACTER, INTREGITY and HONOR.

  422. So I see, Dr. Wright is still working for Obama and have gone to Puerto Rico to fight for Obama.

    Nice to know I’m not the ONLY cynic, Carby. That’s EXACTLY what I thought too.

  423. I know this will NEVER happen, but I’d give just about anything right now for HRC to step out of the Democratic race and run on a 3rd party ticket. Oddly enough, even my staunches Republican friends (except 1) say that if she did that, they’d even vote for her.

    Oh well…a girl can always dream.

  424. Idunn-
    Dont be silly. Why should Hillary drop out and start a third party when she is going to win the nomination and be our next president.

    As for Obama, I think he is welcome to start his own party. In fact, I hope he does.

  425. Idunn – I wish she would at least threaten as much because if she ran as in Independent either she would win or McCain. And it would ensure that Obama does not become President which is the number one priority for me.

  426. Artiste Says:

    March 25th, 2008 at 10:06 am
    Carby, I am with you on security. After my years with disaster response, my work in NJ after 9/11, my work with the State and the DHS, I KNOW the kinds of tings that are out there. And if what I knew as a minion was as bad as it was, I can only imagine what the Brass has privy to.

    all this hand holding thatt the Far LEft wants is frightening
    *****************************************************
    The Hard Left is not frightening to me…they’re just a bunch of HYPOCRITS!!! Because they believe in SECURITY too because if they didn’t they wouldn’t need all the Secret Service detail or live in safe neighborhoods patroled by private security.

    That’s why you have to be vigilant on the abuse of power on both sides.

  427. From RW:

    Testimonials from “people of faith” on the website of 2008 presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) include that of Father Michael Pfleger, a “white Roman Catholic priest of the predominantly African-American St. Sabrina Church on Chicago’s South Side,” who has “links to Nation of Islam chief Louis Farrakhan and an apparently low level of tolerance for the 2nd Amendment,” Jerome S. Corsi wrote March 25, 2008, for WorldNetDaily.

    “According to the Chicago Tribune, Pfleger gave Obama political contributions of $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs,” Corsi wrote. “The newspaper quoted Pfleger as saying he made those donations personally, not on behalf of the church or to win grants.”

    This is important because it’s another thing that makes you go “hmmmm” with respect to whether or not Obama is on the take. How many of these “not a favor” incidents must we rack up before people will put two and two together??!!

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