Politically, Dumb White People in 2008 are separated by less than Six Degrees.
Let’s discuss politically Dumb White People and their embarrassing ways, Progressive Barack Obama Osama Bin Laden, and flim flam artist and friend to bigots and slumlords – Barack Obama and his latest batch of lies and race baiting.
David Hampton (1964-2003) was an American con artist who gained infamy in the 1980s after milking a group of wealthy Manhattanites out of thousands of dollars by convincing them he was Sidney Poitier’s son. His story became the inspiration for a play and later a movie, titled Six Degrees of Separation. [snip]
Hampton began employing the persona of “David Poitier” to cadge free meals in restaurants. He also persuaded at least a dozen people into letting him stay with them in their homes or to give him money, including Melanie Griffith; Gary Sinise; Calvin Klein; John Jay Iselin, the president of WNET; Osborn Elliot, the dean of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism; and a Manhattan urologist. He told some of them that he was a friend of their children, some that he had just missed his plane to Los Angeles and that all his luggage was on it, some that his belongings had been stolen. [snip]
Typically, his story was colorful. Hampton claimed to have been mugged upon arriving in Seattle early for a work assignment for Vogue magazine. He was to interview Bill Gates but was suddenly in peril as his wallet was stolen and nothing could be replaced until that weekend was over. Hampton managed to woo two friends within blocks of each other without them being aware that he was working them both. [snip]
Even after being caught as a con-artist, Hampton had continued his life of crime. He had duped a play co-ordinator by claiming he was the actor playing David Hampton in the successful play Six Degrees of Separation, but when caught, he denied knowing the play co-ordinator.
David Hampton was a flim flam artist. David Hampton was a con man. David Hampton exploited white guilt and white liberals eager to demonstrate how “down” they were with black people. Which brings us to Barack Obama and politically dumb white people.
In The Obama Delusion we discussed the Dumb White Person called Andrew Sullivan.
What does he offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United States since Reagan. Such a re-branding is not trivial—it’s central to an effective war strategy. The war on Islamist terror, after all, is two-pronged: a function of both hard power and soft power. We have seen the potential of hard power in removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein. We have also seen its inherent weaknesses in Iraq, and its profound limitations in winning a long war against radical Islam. The next president has to create a sophisticated and supple blend of soft and hard power to isolate the enemy, to fight where necessary, but also to create an ideological template that works to the West’s advantage over the long haul. There is simply no other candidate with the potential of Obama to do this. Which is where his face comes in.
Consider this hypothetical. It’s November 2008. A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man—Barack Hussein Obama—is the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm. A brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy, is now the alleged enemy. If you wanted the crudest but most effective weapon against the demonization of America that fuels Islamist ideology, Obama’s face gets close. It proves them wrong about what America is in ways no words can.
We laughed then, we laugh again today, we’ll laugh again tomorrow. Poor dumb white person Andrew Sullivan, aching to be modern, to be seen as “liberal”, a cloying intellectual wannabe, trying more than a little too hard to have black friends, to be perceived as post-racial too.
Andrew Sullivan does not understand that the real post-racial figure in the world today is Barack Obama Osama Bin Laden. Osama Bin Laden, and that young Sullivanesque Pakistani Muslim are post racial.
Osama Bin Laden does not care at all if you are African-American, Jewish-American, Irish-American, White-American, Chinese-American, Indian-American, etc. All Osama Bin Laden cares about is that you are American. Then Osama will kill you. Or try to kill you. Osama Bin Laden is post-racial. Kill Americans. It’s that simple. Osama, does not care if you are black or white, ebony or ivory.
Dumb White Person – John Kerry.
He has an ability to help us bridge the divide of religious extremism. … .. Because he’s African American. Because he’s a black man who has come from a place of oppression and repression in through the years in our own country. We only broke the back of civil rights Jim Crow in the 1960s here. Everybody in the world knows this is a recent journey for America.
We can picture John Kerry, glass of white wine in hand, hugging extra hard with an extra large smile the black person he just met. Dumb White Person, trying too hard. But hey, vote for Obama – he’s black. Dumb White People.
Keith Kakugawa was a close friend of Obama’s at the Punahou School. (He appears in “Dreams” as a revised character named “Ray” who may be a composite of more than one Obama friend.) He says that Obama, being a dark-skinned kid growing up in a white household, sensed that something was amiss. “He felt that he was not getting a part of who he was, the history,” says Kakugawa, who is also of mixed race. He recalls Obama’s reading black authors —James Baldwin, Ralph Ellison, Langston Hughes—looking for clues. Keith didn’t know at first that Obama’s given name was Barack. “We were in the library and there was a Malcolm X book,” Kakugawa tells NEWSWEEK. “He grabbed it and looked at it and he’s checking it out, and I said, ‘Hold on, man. What you gonna do? Change your name to something Muslim?’ He said, ‘Well, my name is Barack Obama.’ And I said, ‘No it isn’t.’ And we got in an argument about that in the library and they had to tell us, ‘Shhhh’.”
Back in Hawaii in the 1970s, it could seem that everyone was some kind of a minority. The fact that Obama was half-black and half-white didn’t matter much to anyone but Obama, Kakugawa says: “He made everything out like it was all racial.” On one occasion, Obama thought he’d gotten a bad break on the school basketball team because he was black. But Kakugawa recalls his father’s telling the teenager, “No, Barry, it’s not because you’re black. It’s because you missed two shots in a row.” (Here, Kakugawa’s memory is different from Obama’s. The Ray character in the book is the one obsessed with being discriminated against.)
Amazing how the recollections of Obama’s friends over and over again conflict with Obama’s fictionalized accounts of his life story.
OBAMA: I will be honest with you that I didn’t have that many conversations with him over the last year just because I have been so busy. I haven’t been going to church. I wasn’t hearing a lot of these comments. The ones that are most offensive are ones that I never knew about until they were reported on. I had had conversations with him in the past – in fact from the day I first met him — about some of his views. Understand this, something else that has not been reported on enough is despite these very offensive views, this guy has built one of the finest churches in Chicago. This is not a crackpot church. Witness the fact that Bill Clinton invited him to the White House when he was having his personal crises. This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. … So I don’t want to suggest that somehow, the loops you have been seeing typifies the services all the time. That is the danger of the YouTube era. It doesn’t excuse what he said. But it gives it some perspective.
Q: Would the speech have come as a surprise to Wright?
OBAMA: No, I think he recognizes. When some these remarks first came to light were a year ago, and I actually called him and it created some tensions that were reported in the newspapers. He understood that his perspective on some of these issues were very different from mine and hopefully we could agree to disagree on some of these issues. I wasn’t familiar with some of the most offensive remarks that had come up otherwise we probably would have a more intense conversation.
Sen. Barack Obama contradicted more than a year of denials and spin from him and his staff about his knowledge of Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s controversial sermons. [snip]
Until yesterday, Obama said the only thing controversial he knew about Rev. Wright was his stand on issues relating to Africa, abortion and gay marriage.
“I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial,” Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month.
Of course, yesterday’s Easter sermon devalued the horrific lynchings in the south and the sufferings of a certain Christian founder:
The new pastor of Barack Obama’s church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus’ death at the hands of the Romans.
In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III never mentioned Wright by name, but implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its “state-sponsored terrorism,” is facing the same challenges Jesus did.”No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching,” Moss said.
“The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?” he continued.
“The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person.”
Now, it’s nice to know that Obama’s grandma isn’t really a racist, but merely a – “typical white person.”
(Talk about racial profiling.)
But imagine the public outcry if Hillary Clinton publicly referred to someone as “a typical black person.”
Barack Obama has a lot of explaining to do.
Some Dumb White People might not care what Obama says and how he divides and distracts and distorts because they are too busy being trendy and post-racial and lighting incense.
Other people do care however. The voters in Pennsylvania care. Only 53% of Hillary supporters in Pennsylvania will vote for Obama in a general election. The numbers of Hillary supporters not voting for Obama in a general election are equally large in many must win Democratic states.
A lot of Americans care – Americans of all colors, genders, races, creeds.
It’s the dumb ones that don’t care. That’s why Democrats lose elections.
HRC should ask the following questions at her next campaign rally in PA.
“my opponent thinks i should drop out, what do the voters in PA have to say about that? my opponent obviously believes your votes don’t matter, it’s a “done deal”, what do you think about that? my opponent is so sure of his standing he took it upon himself to take a vacation, take a little rest, put his feet up. my opponent thinks this race is over. what do you think about that?”
We’ve heard about Obama’s white grandmother. Here’s something more important about his upbringing: how his white liberal guilty GRANDFATHER treated the grandmother.
In his blog at h t t p : / / isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html
Steve Sailor quotes a story from Obama’s memoir, which shows Obama’s white grandfather displaying some shocking liberal guilt (and dysfunctionally dumping it on a 17-year-old Obama).
The grandmother wanted a ride to work because she had been threatened at the bus stop by a bum. The grandfather refused to give her a ride — because she had said the
bum was Black. The grandfather is more upset about her word than about the physical danger she is in at the bus stop. He wants to leave her in that physical danger because of the word she used.
No wonder Obama thinks words are powerful — and knows how to use white guilt as a powerful tool for manipulating white liberals. He was raised from age 10 by such a white guilt grandfather.
Quoting from Sailer:
A careful look at this incident as Obama described it on pp. 88-91 of Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (which I reviewed in 2007) shows that Obama is slandering his elderly grandmother to make Rev. Dr. Wright look better. Obama’s white grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who was raising him and earning most of the money in the family while his own mother was off in Indonesia working on her 1067 page dissertation on peasant blacksmithing, rode the bus each morning to her job as a bank executive. One day, the 16-18 year old Obama wakes up to an argument between his grandmother and grandfather. She didn’t want to ride the bus because she had been hassled by a bum at the bus stop. She tells him:
“Her lips pursed with irritation. ‘He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn’t come, I think he might have hit me over the head.”
So why didn’t Obama’s lefty grandfather want to drive his own wife to work? Because to help his wife avoid the hostile, dangerous panhandler would be morally wrong, because the potential mugger was … Well, I’ll let Sen. Obama tell the story:
“[ The grandfather ] turned around and I saw that he was shaking. ‘It is a big deal. It’s a big deal to me. She’s been bothered by men before. You know why she’s so scared this time. I’ll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.’ He whispered the word. ‘That’s the real reason why she’s bothered. And I just don’t think that right.’
“The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure. In my steadiest voice, I told him that such an attitude bothered me, too, but reassured him that Toot’s fears would pass and that we should give her a ride in the meantime. Gramps slumped into a chair in the living room and said he was sorry he had told me. Before my eyes, he grew small and old and very sad. I put my hand on his shoulder and told him that it was all right, I understood.
“We remained like that for several minutes, in painful silence. Finally he insisted that he drive Toot after all, and I thought about my grandparents. They had sacrificed again and again for me. They had poured all their lingering hopes into my success. Never had they given me reason to doubt their love; I doubted if they ever would. And yet I knew that men who might easily have been my brothers could still inspire their rawest fear.”
Then Obama drives over for counseling to the house of his grandfather’s friend Frank, an old black Communist Party USA member, who tells him:
“What I’m trying to tell you is, your grandma’s right to be scared. She’s at least as right as Stanley is. She understands that black people have a reason to hate. That’s just how it is. For your sake, I wish it were otherwise. But it’s not. So you might as well get used to it.”
Note: “From those who responded” and we know BO supporters hae infiltrated these sites and skew the numbers so the State Dem Party will have to report this info to the DNC… funny how wrong they will be come election time…
“This week, over 1,000 Pennsylvania Democrats voted in the online poll. We designed this initial poll to identify correlations among gender, national priorities, and preferences between the Democratic candidates for President. We immediately observed that while Barack Obama holds the majority of support from our sample, this support distinctly changes across gender and issue priorities. Here are a few of the interesting things we learned:
• 60.3% of respondents support Barack Obama, while only 37.4% support Hillary Clinton
• Obama’s support is highest among women, of whom 65.6% support Barack
• Clinton’s support is highest among those believing the economy is of highest priority, with Hillary gaining 43.8% vs. Barack’s 53.7%.
• Clinton’s support is lowest among those prioritizing the war, with only 23.9% support vs. Obama’s 73.8%
• Overall, 43.7% prioritize the economy, while 35.5% prioritize the war and 20.9% prioritize health care.
(* It is important to note that these results, by themselves, are not necessarily representative of Pennsylvanians as a whole, nor do they claim to be predictive of an election outcome. These results are merely valuable as a means of identifying correlations and trends among a specific population of active Democratic voters.) “
Mika concerned after talking to her family over the weekend…
WRIGHT has not been forgotten.
The Novak piece also sounds very negative for Obama.
h t t p : / / http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301400.html?nav=hcmodule
Polls in Pennsylvania taken before Obama’s speech Tuesday showed that Clinton’s narrow lead had expanded to double digits, and private surveys since then indicate the margin is growing.
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The problem for Obama is that furor over Wright has reached beyond voters normally interested in political controversies. Over the past week, I have been asked repeatedly by non-political people about Obama’s connection with Wright’s tirades. In the process, Obama’s political persona has been altered — transformed from Harvard Law Review to South Side activist….
glad to see Wolfson out this morning .. however, Hillary needs more surrogates out there. Maybe she could get Ted Strickland and Evan Byah .. get some big guns out. Some Governors and maybe some of her Generals could push back.
Dot…send the campaign an email, or better yet, pick up the phone and call them. Talk to Press Office. Tell them you are a worker bee for HHillary and a CITIZEN who is seeing the deluge of BO noisemakers on television. It’s time to PUSH BACK
On the local Phila news over the weekend they were interviewing average citizens about the primary. All except one were for Hillary and that one was wavering because of his association with Wright.
Maybe we can push that one voter (an a million others) over the edge when they see ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL and supporter of Obama’s AND A Super Delegate, spewing White Hate
Hey….maybe we can push that one voter (and millions of others) over the edge when they read that ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, SUPER DELEGATE and SUPPORTER OF OBAMA is spewing more White Hate.
dot48 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Pat, how does she win the nomination without the delegates .. she’s gotta demand something be done about FL and MI ..
Maybe Hillary’s camp should put it this way — “The choice of the Democrats of all 50 states.”
MSNBC so far has been almost exclusively talking about Pastor Wright and the problem Obama has in Pennsylvania and with white working class voters.
Perhaps this is because Pat Buchanan is co-hosting.
The point is that the Wright story is still THE story.
The Obama speech did not kill the story – it is only feeding it.
The Smerconish interview we linked to will also be aired today which will feed the story even more.
Even Mika is admitting that the Wright story is hurting Obama in Pennsylvania where she visited over the weekend.
Anyone know if CNN trying to bury the story? Is Fox News still on the story? There is a “Church and State” story featuring Obama/Wright on CNN.
The story will dominate the news until the Rezko trial recess ends next Monday. Then it will be Rezko/Wright with the addition of Jones and Meeks and other Obama pals.
PENNSYLVANIANS,Our country’s future is on the line.Barack will not be the next President.He is only the means for the REPUGS to win back yhe majority.They will subject him to the most intense political destruction process ever created.It will make Waterboarding look like a day at the beach.
Support Hillary,Send her money,Make phone calls,volunteer help,prtest to the DNC over MI and FL votes,Our country needs her now more than ever.She loves our country and its people,she has strength,vision,determination,intelligence never seen before in a presidential race and she is the first Woman that will be our 44th President of this great country.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
Obama has regained some points in the national polls however IMO some of the movement may be due to the speech and the incessant coverage it received I would think.
Thanks mj, you have a good point. We keep obsessing about national polls but those have remained about the same even when the state polls have changed drastically.
I dont believe any of the the pollsters like Rassmussen and Gallup, they are so in the tank for Obama, I’d believe Survey USA, they have been on the ball and they show Obama is taking on water and sinking.
If Rassmussen says Hillary and Obama are even, you can add about 5% to Hillary.
Gallup is totally unreliable, they are a total mess. I strongly beleive Hillary will win PA by about 20 to 30%.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Hey….maybe we can push that one voter (and millions of others) over the edge when they read that ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, SUPER DELEGATE and SUPPORTER OF OBAMA is spewing more White Hate.
Does anyone know where Ted Kennedy now stands in his support? I highly think that Mr Wright using the phrase, “the chickens have come home to roost,” sitting well with Mr Kennedy.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Hey….maybe we can push that one voter (and millions of others) over the edge when they read that ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, SUPER DELEGATE and SUPPORTER OF OBAMA is spewing more White Hate.
I think the Kennedy’s and Kerry have been made to look like right asses by Obama. Richardson just made a prize idiot out of himself and Dood another one. Ted Kennedy has gone mega silent.
Obama made a mess when he lost Mass. and now this. They called him the new JFK and look at Obama now.
When Hillary wins this thing, i hope she takes them all out to the woodshed and whoops them hard. They totally deserve it.
So Hillary’s giving major speeches while her classless opponent is off sunning himself out of the country.
No shock there. I’ve heard quite a few people say today basically, “Easter is very important to us Christians, seems Obama doesnt give a hoof about Church at Easter”.
That could prove very fatal. Obama really is in the shit deep.
For some reason, I can’t post from my computer at home only at work. Admin, can you look into this please.
Today, on Laura Ingram, she openned with Rev. Otis Moss III and his ‘lynching’ analogy, Bill Clinton’s remarks. she said that she agreed with Kathleen Parker at the Nat’l Review- she didn’t read Bill’s remarks as hitting Obama on his patriotism.
she said that BO is too thin skinned and if he can’t stand up and take the heat now, how can he do it when American enemies aer hitting us.
She is still going on with Rev. Moss’ comments. This story will live in talk radio today.
I may have been born at night, senator, but I was not born last night.
Politicians of many political stripes have made mistakes and then have tried to weasel out of them through carefully crafted statements when they are obviously guilty of the mistake.
You would have to be incredibly naïve to believe that President Clinton did not inhale or that Obama did not hear inflammatory remarks from the Rev. Wright over 20 years in the pews. I believe he did hear such words and he did not quit the church or publicly repudiate the Rev. Wright’s ugly sentiments.
Obama only denounced the Rev. Wright’s morally repugnant statements when the media’s spotlight shined upon Wright’s darkness. I don’t believe Sen. Obama and neither should you.
When given the opportunity to tell the truth, Obama took the slick and slimy road too often traveled by our politicians.
America cannot afford to elect a dishonest fraud as president.
some woman calling in on Cspan … if Hillary is not on the ticket, she won’t be voting LOL and asking if Wrigth can get by Obama — what would get by him in the WhiteHouse. Great question.
Need to keep Wright issue flaming in PA….calling in to local radio talk shows, blogging on local blogs, letters to editor, etc. Anyone who would choose to align themselves w/ an America-hater is not fit to be CiC. Pundits may not want to acknowledge but “regular folk” feel it in their gut. This is what will bring him down. It took Dean 6 weeks and a big loss in WI before he dropped out in 2004. We can’t let up the pressure.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:50 am
MSNBC so far has been almost exclusively talking about Pastor Wright and the problem Obama has in Pennsylvania and with white working class voters.
Perhaps this is because Pat Buchanan is co-hosting.
The point is that the Wright story is still THE story.
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Admin, when I was getting dressed this morning, I watched a bit of Fox and MessSNBC. I think that it is partly because Pat is co-hosting although Joe has also been pointing out that Blue collar/Regan Democrats and Whites won’t take to this Wright affiliation and that Obama will be hurt.
Fox was stalking about the Bill/McPeak dust up and they were very sympathetic to Bill. I only watched Fox for 5 mins.
However, I’ve found that whatever the am show covers,w ill be expounded on several times through out the day.
Add to that Rev. Moss’s sermon, ‘How to survive a puplic lynching’ where he compared Jesus’ ‘lynching’ to their church and Wright being ‘lynched’ by the media.
Laura ingrahm who is a devout catholic is ALL over this this am. She said, ‘wasn’t this new pastor suppose to be different’ and ‘why is Obama still a member’.
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WORK TO GET HILL A 20PT WIN.
“Steve Sailor quotes a story from Obama’s memoir, which shows Obama’s white grandfather displaying some shocking liberal guilt (and dysfunctionally dumping it on a 17-year-old Obama”
…and the what does BHO do?
he reassures his grandfather that he understands, and then drives over to get some counseling from a family friend
WAS THIS BEFORE OR AFTER HE DID A LINE AND SMOKED A JOINT??
(since it was BHO that admitted he used drugs during his youth!)
March 24th, 2008 at 8:02 am
wolfson .. pinning Chris Matthews down on the meanness of the Obama campaign. Matthews will not retreat and trying to say that Richardson could have SWUNG Texas to Obama.
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I think it was obvious for a few weeks that Richardson was not going to do something courageous like support Clinton, but that he was more likely to suck up to Obama to try to be the veep. So this came to pass, but like most of these endorsements, a lot of the times the timing is controlled.
So if Richardson was on board w/ Obama, he could have been working behind the scenes, and maybe he did. And despite Obama’s best efforts to pull out all the stops (throwing money around on ads, kitchen sink politics, workinig MSM) to apply a Death Blow by winning TX and/or OH, he failed. The best they could do was lamely try to spin how he “actually won” TX if you factor in the caucus results. This too is suspect because a) the results a still being tallied and haggled about b) yet another state where dirty tricks and intimidation are the key to “winning” caucuses.
Richardson could have had a greater impact like a month ago, by now, it was old, expected, news.
Hillary talking about the economy and how to help people worst hit by the mortgage crisis. She is giving a big speech on that as I wriet this now.
Obama is still talking about race, his ties to Wright, that his church is not a crackpot church ,
and not taking responsibility for being associated with an anti-American church,
Which do you think the voters not just in PA but alla cross the country would find more relevant to their daily lives?
The politics of this is very bad for Obama nd will continue to be bad until he quits that church. This issue won’t die until then. Even then people won’t forget his 20-year association.
Endorsements only matter if they can bring votes, i.e. organization, machine. Richardsons endorsement is good for a newscycle. Matthews is just high on the hopium.
I have switched to Fox in order to get the latest on BHO and his slide toward the cliff.I have no illusions about their plan to get BO ready for the RNC autopsy on him if he is the candidate.I also know that they will go back on path of destructing Hillary.Not many MSM we can watch that is fair and balanced.MSNBC is the all time winner of the Golden Garbage Can AWard and its contents of smelly human waste.Pat Buchanan is a breath of fair air for now,but remember he is still a Repub. Guess I’ll have to watch Weather channel until Hillary is inaugurated.Keep in mind these very important words about her.
I was bummed last week because I was sick and thought I couldn’t do much campaigning for Hillary. Turns out that if I just get on the phone and ask my neighbors for money, they give it to me. So I’m donating 300 from mostly five dollar donations and peoples change jars to Hillary, try this in your apt building, and at work, I only asked people to give “what they wouldn’t notice missing” .. and it’s been rolling in.
The Obama campaign is holding a conference call right now in an attempt to pre-empt Hillary Clinton’s 10 AM address on the economy and mortgage crisis. The message: don’t trust her.
Campaign Manager David Plouffe essentially dismissed whatever polices Senator Clinton will propose in 15 minutes. “We’ve talked about many of the same solutions,” he said, trying to refocus on Obama’s refusal to accept money from lobbyists. “Senator Clinton has not shown a propensity to support reform in Washington.”
“We just think this is a fundamental divide for voter and one we’ll continue to stress,” he continued, trying to cast doubt on Clinton’s reform credentials by highlighting her initial support of the bankruptcy bills, the presence of lobbyists on her fundraising team, and her support from the finance industry when she ran for Senate. “Every day you need someone ready to fight the system not embrace it.”
LMAO! Yeah, good strategy there, David. Tell the voters that no matter WHAT she says, don’t trust it. Because…ummm…Obama has the market cornered on blind faith.
Good morning! admin, there is so much syrupy goodness in this post, I damn near had to take notes!!!
First of all, John Kerry is one of the dumbest white people I’ve ever seen! Black Baptists and Methodists can barely get along, how in the hell would Barack Hussein Obama be able to “bridge the divide of religious extremism”? LMAO Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!
Then, I’d like to know how in the world was Obama going to school with somebody and they didn’t know his real first name? Schools don’t call you by your nickname when the roll is beinc called and such. Even if the name “Barack” was only mentioned on the first day of school and then he asked his teachers to call him “Barry”, his classmates would have heard it! I just don’t believe that. I taught at public schools and we didn’t call those kids by any damn nicknames. I don’t believe that he was attending a “prestigious private school” and they allowed him to forego use of his real first name for the duration. I just don’t believe that.
And, this part? I nearly burst my spleen from laughing!:
“On one occasion, Obama thought he’d gotten a bad break on the school basketball team because he was black. But Kakugawa recalls his father’s telling the teenager, “No, Barry, it’s not because you’re black. It’s because you missed two shots in a row.””
What a fugging azzhole!!! I’m telling you, this whole farce/fairytale is one for the record books! He did say he’d like to have Will Smith play him in a movie about his life story. Wouldn’t that be ironic? Will Smith played David Hampton in the film, “Six Degrees of Separation” too.
I can almost imagine Plouffe saying to the american people, “Don’t let Hillary Clinton confuse you with facts and common sense, America! Don’t let them boil the hope out of you!”
I know he isn’t the most popular person in the world, but Howard Stern just listened to unedited words by Pastor Wright that have been played as clips on the news and stopped it prematurely to say, “F uck Pastor Wright and f uck Barack Obama!” He has been steadfastly backing Hilldawg all this time. Awesome.
Sugar Obama has IDENITY issues and he’s very insecure. So all he see is the racial divide.
But I saw Obama’s true face in a Washington D.C. photo link that was posted on an earlier thread, where Barry was dressed up in this Tux with all the other D.C. insiders happy as he can be.
If only Bush would follow Hill’s advice, and call the commission. Boy, that would shut Axelrod up. Won’t happen though.
By the way, the only reason Hill agreed to the first bankruptcy bill was because it had a homestead provision. Lot’s of Dem’s voted for it, thinking protection for working class would be built in by the House but it would have the homestead, which is directed at wealthier individuals. Also, it never became law. The second Bankruptcy bill , she opposed, so I don’t know wht that article says “bills”.
Obama has not, never has, proposed the same plans as Hill in terms of the housing crisis. Plouffe is a liar.
The second bankruptcy bill was really awful. It basically gave away the store to the banks. Which eventually came back to bite the banks in the end. They got the protection that they wanted but are now finding out that you can’t get blood from a stone. Unfortunately, it’s wiped out a lot of people too.
I never saw the first bankruptcy bill. I do know that Frank was very strongly against the second one or maybe both. No idea where Kennedy and Kerry stood. I should look that up.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:55 am
The second bankruptcy bill was really awful. It basically gave away the store to the banks. Which eventually came back to bite the banks in the end. They got the protection that they wanted but are now finding out that you can’t get blood from a stone. Unfortunately, it’s wiped out a lot of people too.
I never saw the first bankruptcy bill. I do know that Frank was very strongly against the second one or maybe both. No idea where Kennedy and Kerry stood. I should look that up.
Hillary was opposed to this bill. Bill had that heart issue(was it a heart attack?) the day of the vote. But Hill made a point of passionately advocating against this bill to reporters. She was at the hospital obviously, but she came out and said I strongly oppose this bill.
As first lady, Mrs. Clinton worked against the bill. She helped kill one version of it, then another version passed, which her husband vetoed. As a senator, in 2001, she voted for it, but it did not pass. When it came up again in 2005, she missed the vote because her husband was in the hospital, although she indicated she would have opposed it.
In the late 1990’s, as first lady, Mrs. Clinton became deeply involved in the issue, her first real foray into legislation since the collapse of her health-care effort in 1994. She sought a private tutorial on the subject, worked behind the scenes with members of Congress, wrote public newspaper columns and spoke out against it.
Her concern was that the bill would hurt women and children. The law then required that if a divorced man filed for bankruptcy, he had to pay off his alimony and child-support obligations first. The bill gave equal status to credit card companies and other lenders who were seeking to recoup money.
President Clinton pocket-vetoed the bill at the end of his term, after Mrs. Clinton had been elected to the Senate. Congress had left town and did not have the chance to try to override the veto.
The bill popped up again 2001, which was Mrs. Clinton’s first year in the Senate. She worked with Republicans on it and was one of 36 Democrats who helped it pass the Senate, saying it had been improved from when she opposed it. Still, this version was vigorously opposed by consumer groups and unions, and ultimately did not become law.
When the bill came up again in 2005, Mrs. Clinton missed the vote. She did vote against a procedural motion involving the bill and said that had she been present, she would have voted against the bill itself.
Explaining Senator Clinton’s support for the bill in 2001, Phil Singer, a campaign spokesman, said, “She helped forge a compromise in the 2001 bill intended to ensure that custodial parents got child custody payments.” She opposed the bill later, he said, because “unfortunately, that provision was stripped from the 2005 legislation.”
He was for both Guiliani and Clinton and switched to completely Clinton. Fred, who checks the email, seems to be against Obama’s minister and Obama’s judgement on the matter.
I have to say that I am military and I am surrounded by people who absolutely hate HRC every day. They honestly believe that she killed Vince Foster (I made the gaff that BC didn’t kill Vince Foster and they said, “He didn’t kill her, Hillary did.”) and other more horrible things. All of these guys are sure that BO is a muslim, or anti-american. They aren’t all that sure about McCain either, but are willing to “hold their noses” to vote for him.
My point is that these guys will never vote for BO–ever. He is totally unelectable.
My liberal friends disagree and have used many of the same “message to the world” and “change” arguments against me. But the one thing I know is that I can alwasy come here and see you guys out there never giving up, always fighting for Hillary when everone else says she’s finished. I can’t tell you all how many times you all have picked my spirits.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is scheduled to give a speech on the economy this morning at the University of Pennsylvania — the kickoff to a week in which the New York Senator will spotlight the nation’s fiscal troubles and her allegedly unique ability to solve them.
It’s a sound strategy in a rust-belt state like Pennsylvania, which is set to hold its presidential primary on April 22. In a recent Quinnipiac University poll, that showed Clinton ahead of Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) 53 percent to 41 percent, roughly half of those tested (48 percent) cited the economy as the most important issue to them. The war in Iraq (23 percent) and health care (18 percent) lagged in importance in voters’ minds.
blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/03/fixcam_week_in_preview_its_the.html?hpid=topnews
WASHINGTON, March 24 (UPI) — Keep your eye on the prize is the message House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is preaching about party in-fighting over the Democratic presidential nominee.
“We have to keep our eyes on the prize, which is the general election in November,” Pelosi said last week. “We are all very passionate about our politics but we have to be very dispassionate about how we approach winning.”
Analysts said Pelosi’s motivation is to ensure a fair process that doesn’t turn off an influx of party activists and helps Democrats increase their congressional majorities, The Mercury News, a San Jose, Calif., newspaper, reported Monday.
As the leading uncommitted superdelegate, Pelosi counseled against superdelegates overturning results of primary and caucus voters and criticized Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., for her comments that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., wasn’t qualified to be commander in chief.
“She has spoken out on the presidential race but she has also been cautious. She knows she has to stay neutral — for now,” Julian Zelizer, a historian at Princeton University, told The Mercury News.
If the Clinton-Obama fight continues to the convention, Pelosi knows “that would be the disaster of all disasters for the party,” Norman Ornstein, another analyst, said to the newspaper. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/03/24/pelosi_tells_dems_to_keep_eye_on_november/6993/
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I’m new at this but would someone please explain which party activists is Pelosi talking about….is it all or only the anti-war ones.
As the leading uncommitted superdelegate, Pelosi counseled against superdelegates overturning results of primary and caucus voters and criticized Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., for her comments that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., wasn’t qualified to be commander in chief.
So she should be criticizing Richardson, Kerry and Kennedy for overturning results of primary and caucus voters, right?
Amazing, how the rhetoric has changed from “popular vote” to “pledged delegates.” Changing the rule as the primary season progresses. Back in Feb., MoveOn.org had a petition circulating asking for signatures to prevent the popular vote from being overturned by SDs. The party line has switched to pledged delegates, because they know, Hillary cannot catch-up.
So she should be criticizing Richardson, Kerry and Kennedy for overturning results of primary and caucus voters, right?
Wait, she MEANT to say that Superdelegates should vote according only to what they believe is best for the party. No wait…they should vote the way of their constituents…no wait…they should just vote for whoever they think can heal the hole in their souls. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
MSM will not report Hillary speech because they know Barry will steal it when he comes back from vacation…so the less people who see Hillary on TV giving the speech the better for Barry to plagerize it.
mj- Every military person who is a democrat or supports a dem is suspect to them.
If Hilldawg is the nominee, she will need to win the moderates and independants over with better arguments on policy. Younger military people are more likely to go McCain, because of the war. People like me who have been there met locals and don’t want to see them harmed by a hasty pullout. Others can’t understand why they were there but have held onto their deployment as being one of the most important things in their life and think that the dems don’t appreciate the work they have done over there. In many cases they are right. I personally think that Hillary can make an argument to these people by making measured policy decisions on Iraq and bold initiatives on fighting Al-Qaida around the world. Unfortunately this is not an argument for the primary. BO holds an advantage there.
Anyone else think that it is BS that Barack Obama gave a speech and nothing else and he is being given credit for good judgement.
They should be giving him credit for being lucky. I mean he did nothing to stop the war. He voted for it every time it came up. Every soldier who went to Iraq did more than BO to stop the war and he is credited with good judgement.
Dell with Intel Core 2 Duo processor and Windows XP. Don’t get Vista. It would be better to wait until the fall as they have better processors (faster and use less electricity) coming.
Aw crap- got stuck in the spam filter. Again then…from AmericaBlog where they have definitely smoked too much Hopium….(*shaking head in utter disgust*)
I just received the following email:
My brother has Down syndrome. He’s heavily caught up in the current political race. We are both Philadelphia natives. I’d like to share with you his very brief but very moving endorsement of Barack Obama. I believe this is newsworthy because my brother, Dan is symbolic. His judgement of character is just as valuable as the most famous or respected individuals currently receiving press for endorsing a candidate. Please allow his honest voice to be heard. Find out more about my older brother’s impact on the world around him and the documentary we’re making together at (dandrinker.com.)
I personally think that Hillary can make an argument to these people by making measured policy decisions on Iraq and bold initiatives on fighting Al-Qaida around the world. Unfortunately this is not an argument for the primary. BO holds an advantage there.
That’s what Hillary has done. I dont see how BO holds an advantage there.
Pennsylvanians Don’t Shun Dynasties
Monday, March 24, 2008 – FreeMarketNews.com
If there were a manual to winning statewide elections in Pennsylvania, it would include at least two observations: First, dynasty is not a dirty word. And second, expect to run at least one or two times before voters reward you. They like their politicians to feel as familiar as their morning cup of coffee. In the presidential primary campaign, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton — the political equivalent of Maxwell House after years of appearing with her husband in the state — is benefiting not just from the demographics of Pennsylvania, but from its unique amber-preserved culture. -Politico http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=55931
You know, that video is just so wrong on so many levels. First and foremost using a Down kid to elicit sympathy is just in poor taste. Second, it’s misleading since the kid can’t legally vote. Third, it belies how bots think about the world- in all “let’s have a coke and a smile and teach the world to sing” bullshit.
It’s the latter that bugs me the most bc it’s exactly why the GOP kicks our ass every 4 yrs. Because these schmucks have their heads in the friggin’ clouds.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. For the past week-and-a-half, Obama’s support has been between 44% and 47% every day. Clinton’s support has ranged from 42% to 46% (see recent daily results). In discussing the Pennsylvania Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.
mj- they cannot. They are not competent to contract, marry, or have control over their own estates. That’s why we do adult guardianships. Which reminds me I need to get back to work.
mj- I agree and that’s what attracted me to her in the first place. The issue is that BO’s Iraq platform is more extreme and is clearly playing to the latte liberals that also bought his speech on race. It is funny to me that when Powers blows his cover overseas, no one seems to notice. Here is a guy that can’t get his message straight no matter what he does. He is a total soup sandwich.
PLEASE, make phone calls if you can. DONATE if you can.
Contact the media about the biased coverage.
We need to push the media that there are 10 states yet to go and NEITHER one has the delegate count and won’t have it. … there is a long time till June
MJ, here’s a litmus test on competency: if you have sex are you going to be charged with rape?
The answer is: yes.
Why? Because under the law someone who is under a disability whether natural or unnatural (i.e. blotto beyond repair), they cannot fully and knowingly consent to an act.
PLEASE, make phone calls if you can. DONATE if you can.
Already donated, and will be working on phone banking after dinner. Or before dinner, if hubby stays late at work and works on making us a youtube video.
“In discussing the Pennsylvania Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.”
I (heart) Ed Rendell. He’s a fighter like Hillary.
You know, that video is just so wrong on so many levels. First and foremost using a Down kid to elicit sympathy is just in poor taste. Second, it’s misleading since the kid can’t legally vote. Third, it belies how bots think about the world- in all “let’s have a coke and a smile and teach the world to sing” bullshit.
I was at a restaurant several years ago and Dean came in and shook hands with those of us seated at tables. At the end of the walk, it was the same thing – there was either a Down’s Syndrome or Autistic teenager that he hugged and sat down with to talk with his family. It does make for a very cute photo-op. The real job of president is in taking care of the whole country and dealing with foreign nations so the photo-op may humanize the candidate but we should focus on the candidate that will solve real problems.
Plural, I love Rendell, too. I’d want that guy in my corner. And I’d certainly never want to piss him off. He eviscerated everyone else yesterday with both hands tied behind his back from what I heard.
March 24th, 2008 at 11:45 am
“In discussing the Pennsylvania Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.”
I (heart) Ed Rendell. He’s a fighter like Hillary.
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Yeah baby!! This is the type of surrogates Hillary need. Not a party apologist but a fighter to let those DUMB FOLKS understand we’re not quiting so that you can prop that BOZO up to LOSE to the REPUGS.
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please post here. There are several pro-hillary comments coming from unlikely allies
This piece is interesting and talks about the Democrat’s dilemma.
You don’t have to register.
March 24th, 2008 at 10:52 am
sure enough, cut off by CNN
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Ronald: how much of it did they cover and how did they characterize it? If they buried it this needs to be pursued in some manner. The issue is too important for it to be censored by a major network. The answer may be to send a letter to Lou Dobbs who is undoubtedly focused on the issue if not the candidate. At least this would hoist cnn by their own petard.
Can I sue the DNC for harrassment? Seriously, no matter how many times I tell them to fuck off, that they aren’t getting a dime from me, they just keep sending me spams for cash.
Yeah admin, I’m sure if Obama were pointed to the irony of him suggesting Will Smith in light of your post today, he might not have made the suggestion that Smith play him. lol What an idiot.
does this mean BO will lose a SD the way we did with Spitzer? DETROIT (AP) – Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, a one-time rising star and Detroit’s youngest elected leader, was charged Monday with perjury and other counts after sexually explicit text messages contradicted his sworn denials of an affair with a top aide.
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy also charged the popular yet polarizing 37-year-old mayor with obstruction of justice and misconduct in office.
On the one hand, the Obama campaign is saying that they have won this nomination that there is no way Hillary can win. This conveniently ignores the fact that neither of them can win the nomination without the super delegates, his lead is based on anti-Democratic caucus wins in red states, and he wanst to dis-enfranchise MI and FL.
On the other hand, Obama and his campaign are attacking Hillary every day personally and negatively. They are desperately trying to change the subject by deliberately misinterpreting President Clinton’s innocuous remarks. They are trying to tear down Hillary personally. None of which is working politically.
Inspite of what they say, are they behaving like a campiagn that is on the ascendancy, a campaign that is winning on ths issues?
No, their behavior tells us that they are afraid, they are afraid of the impact of JWright, they are afraid of the effect on SDs, they are afraid of their falling poll numbers, and they are afraid of losing this nomination.
And, they should be afraid. The political ground has shifted under Obama. The Wright issue isn’t going away and a lot of people are turned off by this issue, are wondering who this guy really is, and are turning away from him.
Obama is off his game. His con-campaign of hope and change has been replaced by negative personal attacks against Clintons. This is backfiring on him as this clearly shows the country that he is a typical Chicago politician .
Hillary is out there talking about the issues that matter to people. Obama is talking about Wright and trying to tear down Hillary personally.
In Poland, traditionally, early in the morning boys awake girls by pouring a bucket of water on their head and strike them about the legs with long thin twigs or switches made from willow, birch or decorated tree branches
Clinton’s people are using electoral college math to persuade superdelegates. Here is an excellent blog on that topic. If you are writing to superdelegates you may want to use this info.
If I were a superdelegate I’d be a little po’d at Obama’s arrogance. His whole campaign is imploding, they are getting angrier and acting like a bunch of losers and he’s over frolicking in the water. Wow, real impression of the person who want to get the country out of trouble. Hillary is the one who is working..
For right now, I’m content to simple phone bank and donate. I don’t feel the need to help Barry dig his grave…he’s doing a slendid job of that all by his lonesome.
TM had this link – maybe there should be a whole site for Kool-Aid Rehab:
To Hillary supporters an apology from an Obama voter mydd.com/story/2008/3/23/231221/578
by the Walrus, Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:12:21 PM EST
I am so sorry. You were right and i was wrong.
I voted for Obama in missouri not out of dislike for Hillary. I was torn and i thought we had 2 good candidates.
What tipped me to Obama was Bill Clinton’s headlines in SC during their primary. it reminded me of the dynasty aspect to HRC. bush-clinton-bush-clinton.
I feel tricked. I feel i’ve helped put the party and the country at risk, and i’m sorry.
i did make a small donation to Hillary yesterday and will continue to try and help.
PS. i like Bill as well, but i really think he needs to stay in the background.
I feel bad for Walrus. Sincerely. Like I have said all along, when the people who bought the hopium realize it’s a scam, they are going to feel betrayed and hurt.
That just makes me despise Bambi all the more. Fucker.
Dean dropped out 6 weeks after the “Dean scream”……..6 weeks for that to fester along with a big loss in WI. We have to keep the heat up……….keeping Wright mess in the news and on the blogs and a big PA loss will do BO in.
Ok Im not much of a view fan but man they all are on obamas side! The only one of course is hasselback and she makes strong points, regardless of the fact that usually I think she is a loud mouth republican. Why does it seem that most people think that just republicans are upset with this racial war! Im a democrat and find it amazing that people like the view can justify obamas actions! Who is paying these people! Watch the video, it’s pretty funny!
Jit,
If BO is the nominee….the GOP will win by 45-49 states. It will be McGovern in 1972 all over again. Losing by 49 states to Nixon. General electorate tends toward the conservative. That’s why it takes a centrist dem to win. That’s why Bill Clinton is only dem to win two terms in 70 years. General electorate will not let BO and his pastor near the white house.
I’m not subscribed to my dd, but I wish someone would invite Walrus to visit us over here. We could definitely find work for him/her to do to help correct her mistake.
from a poster on TM – I love this first part: article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjBjODFmNmMxZWU2ZGE5YjBhMjZlYmQ2MmM2MzNiZTc=
The Obama Crash and Burn
If he acts as if the Wright controversy is behind him, it’s over for Obama.
By Victor Davis Hanson
The latest polls reflecting Obama’s near-collapse should serve as a morality tale of John Edwards’s two Americas — the political obtuseness of the intellectual elite juxtaposed to the common sense of the working classes.
For some bizarre reason, Obama aimed his speech at winning praise from National Public Radio, the New York Times, and Harvard, and solidifying an already 90-percent solid African-American base — while apparently insulting the intelligence of everyone else.
Arkansas will go from “leans red” to a blue state if Hillary is the nominee. Also, in WV, recent polls show Hill with a 72% favorable rating for Hill there, so I think we can assume that that state is probably “leans blue” with the Hillary nomination.
If Hillary is the nominee..WV will go Democratic .. Kentucky could also be in play
Bambi is the weakest link for the Dems in the GE…he doesn’t have the staying power.
If Pelosi and Dean are serious about this election they’d be backing Hillary. Do they want the white house back or not. I’ really am beginning to think they want it to remain in repub control
>>Bambi is the weakest link for the Dems in the GE…he doesn’t have the staying power.
bambi’ AA support is not useful… because they are minority in numbers in all southern states when it comes to GE… the states that he won with margin in primary like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississipi, Georgia will all be red states in GE… i hope super delegates atleast know that which even i am aware of..
They continue to underestimate Hillary. How many times have they danced on her grave so far.
It’s a long time till June and she ain’t going nowhere but up, bambi on the other hand is going to be under more intense scrunity and the waves are gonna keep lapping at his tide.
Ohio .. defintely McCain. Hillary could make it very competetive. The party will be sorely mistaken if they think that Obama will automatically pick up Hillary’s support. They are a little nutty..which fits right in with Dean scream and Pelosi stupidity
have you observed one thing… when wright stuff came into media…
CNN & CBS released two polls in hurry .. CNN showing obama with 8 points lead and CBS showing him in lead for couple of days.. they just want to skew the polls in bambi’ favor… bastzrds
Isn’t the term house n****** a derogatory term in the AA community? Sorta like Uncle Tom? And if so, how exactly is it a term of endearment???
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OkieATTNY: This is not a term of endearment. It is a perjorative in the AA community and IMO worse than Uncle Tom because it sounds much harsher once utered.
Did you all see this – gawd, could someone other than Jake Tapper pick this up – shows how childish the BO camp is – a bunch of frat boys blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-iowa-co-c.html:
Key Obama Iowa Adviser Invokes ‘Monica’s Blue Dress’ When Assailing Bill Clinton’s ‘Patriotism’ Comments
March 24, 2008 11:07 AM
Gordon Fischer, the former director of the Iowa Democratic Party and a senior adviser for Sen. Barack Obama’s efforts in the Hawkeye State, is still very much involved in making sure Obama gets delegates as the caucus process continues.
He’s also quite fired up about former President Bill Clinton’s comments in front of a North Carolina VFW Hall, which the Obama campaign took to be an impugning of Obama’s patriotism.
In his blog, Fischer writes:
“B. Clinton questions Obama’s patriotism. In repsonse (sic), an Obama aide compared B. Clinton to Joe McCarthy. This is patently unfair. To McCarthy.
“When Joe McCarthy questioned others’ patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP. Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping — instead he is hurting — his own party. B. Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica’s blue dress.”
That’s not quite the kind of comment that keeps with Obama’s pledge to focus on policy differences instead of personal attacks, I think it’s safe to say.
Obama’s church is a product of the ‘black liberation theology movement’
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For the time being, I’ve read just about all the stories about Jeremiah Wright that I care to, and I’ll bet most of you have, too.
This one, though, has something to add to the conversation.
Margaret Talev of the Washington Bureau of McClatchy Newspapers provides some historical context for the doctrines — political and theological — espoused by the recently retired pastor at Barack Obama’s church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Talev writes that “some of the more provocative doctrines” at the core of Wright’s message — Jesus is black, “Particularly influential,” she writes, “was Cone’s seminal 1969 book, ‘Black Theology & Black Power.’ ”
I don’t put much stock into national polls at this point, good or bad. How could you get an accurate sample when so many people have already voted? The only thing that matters now is the 10 remaining primaries.
Great post, admin. What’s stunning to me about the Wright scandal is that Obama has been openly lying about what he knew about Wright’s beliefs, and instead of investigating, Big Media has been swooning about Obama’s “wonderful” speeches.
These people are effing nuts. Since when does Bill Clinton have to praise his wifes opponent every time he opens his mouth? And, how sexist. What a dirty attack. Bill’s affair has nothing to do with Hillary. Seriously, what is going on in Iowa? How can they support this stuff?
Hey Berkeley – I feel the same way – and just reposting from article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjBjODFmNmMxZWU2ZGE5YjBhMjZlYmQ2MmM2MzNiZTc=
“For some bizarre reason, Obama aimed his speech at winning praise from National Public Radio, the New York Times, and Harvard, and solidifying an already 90-percent solid African-American base — while apparently insulting the intelligence of everyone else.”
March 24th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Great post, admin. What’s stunning to me about the Wright scandal is that Obama has been openly lying about what he knew about Wright’s beliefs, and instead of investigating, Big Media has been swooning about Obama’s “wonderful” speeches.
Exactly. Forgetting about Wright for a moment, BO lied again and again. Isn’t that a story in and of itself?
Talev writes that “some of the more provocative doctrines” at the core of Wright’s message — Jesus is black, Marxism can aid in a true understanding of the Gospels, the white church in America is the Antichrist — grew out of the writings of James Cone, the founder of the modern black liberation theology movement. “Particularly influential,” she writes, “was Cone’s seminal 1969 book, ‘Black Theology & Black Power.
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Obama is toasted!!! Obama won’t be able to win the G.E. because as more and more people start vetting him and askiing questions about his church and belief system.
They are not going to vote for a MARXIST Leaning President and Obama is an smart man but to belong to Trinity for 20 and not know what his church beliefs are…is truly disengenuous and I have deep doubt on this man character.
Voting for Obama would be like voting for the actor Sean Penn. At least with Sean Penn you know what you’re getting but that lying Obama has not been honest with the voters but his church affliation speak LOUDLY about the choices Obama would make as President.
Are We Lynchers and Crucifiers? [Victor Davis Hanson]
Rev. Moss, the new pastor at Sen. Obama’s Trinity Church, likens the media storm over Jeremiah Wright’s racist and anti-American remarks to a lynching and crucifixion; the right Reverend Wright takes the role of the Holy Man that was figuratively put on the cross by the contemporary American Romans, who in Wright’s previous formulation were simply the ancient counterparts of modern-day “whites.”
well i have been lurking and also trying to post to no avail, i doubt this post will even go through
but i sure would like to join you in supporting hillary clinton for president!!
“……the political obtuseness of the intellectual elite juxtaposed to the common sense of the working classes.”
Know what I find especially ironic? Bo and company are pouting about how misunderstood the AA church is and how Americans don’t understand the ‘black’ experience and yet it’s obvious that Bo has NO clue as to the real “white” experience, except, of course, for the 1/10 of 1 % who are filthy rich or very well off financially. The other 99% of the country is alien territory to him.
While visiting England, George Bush is invited to tea with the Queen. He asks her what her leadership philosophy is. She says that it is to surround herself with intelligent people.
Bush asks how she knows if they’re intelligent.
“I do so by asking them the right questions,” says the Queen. “Allow me to demonstrate.”
Bush watches as the Queen phones Tony Blair and says, “Mr. Prime Minister, please answer this question: your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or sister. Who is it?”
Tony Blair responds, “It’s me, ma’am.”
“Correct. Thank you and good-bye, sir,” says the Queen. She hangs up and says, “Did you get that, Mr. Bush?”
Bush nods: “Yes ma’am. Thanks a lot. I’ll definitely be using that!”
Bush, upon returning to Washington, decides he’d better put the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to the test. Bush summons Jesse Helms to the White House and says, “Senator Helms, I wonder if you can answer a question for me.”
“Why, of course, sir. What’s on your mind?”
Bush poses the question: “Uhh, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”
Helms hems and haws and finally asks, “Can I think about it and get back to you?”
Bush agrees, and Helms leaves. He immediately calls a meeting of other senior Republican senators, and they puzzle over the question for several hours, but nobody can come up with an answer. Finally, in desperation, Helms calls Colin Powell at the State Department and explains his problem.
“Now lookee here, son, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”
Powell answers immediately, “It’s me, of course.”
Much relieved, Helms rushes back to the White House, finds George Bush, and exclaims, “I know the answer, sir! I know who it is! It’s Colin Powell!”
And Bush replies in disgust, “Wrong, you dumb sh*t, it’s Tony Blair!”
Exactly, Carbynew. Obama would get creamed in the general. It wouldn’t even be close. You can’t idolize a guy like Wright for 20 years, attend his church, name your book/campaign theme after his sermon, appoint him as a spiritual advisor, have him do your wedding, have him baptize your daughters, and then say, “oh, hey, I had no idea he was a Marxist” without appearing utterly insane.
CHIN-SCRATCHER Richardson If there’s one thing political pundits love, it’s reducing politicians to one-dimensional figures (see Hillary Clinton: woman, Barack Obama: black, and now, Bill Richardson: beard). With his Judas-like endorsement of Obama, Richardson and his cheek-coat have been thrust into the media spotlight this week, and not since Rutherford B. Hayes’ scraggly chin mane has facial hair sent the fourth estate scurrying quite so excitedly. Just look at what they’re saying:
•”It’s time to go back to the campaign, Bill, I think, and take that off.”
Candy Crowley, CNN, March 23, 2008
•”Bill Richardson got 2 percent in Iowa, 5 percent in New Hampshire and, you know, that was before the beard.”
Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, March 22, 2008
•And maybe [Richardson's endorsement] will help [Obama] make inroads among the guys- with- beards vote.”
John King, CNN, March 21, 2008
•”Mr. Richardson was still sporting a beard, which he grew during what he called a period of decompression after abandoning his presidential bid two months ago.”
Jeff Zelany, New York Times, March 21, 2008
•”Looking more and more dignified with each passing day.”
John Roberts, CNN, February 27, 2008
•”Nice beard, by the way.”
Wolf Blitzer, CNN, February 26, 2008
•”With facial hair, Bill Richardson looks a bit like a Klingon from the original Star Trek series.”
Matthew Yglesias, The Atlantic, February 5, 2008
•”He has a beard and is deeply, deeply tanned. He looks like a Bond villain.”
Mother Jones, February 5, 2008
•”The latest guy to boycott the shave: New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson”
Roll Call, February 4, 2007
you are forgetting that he has NO clue about the real Black experience either. Anyone who has been to Hawaii knows it is the most multi-racial and tolerant place in America. As for the Black experience, he lied about the drugs in his book and went to the church so people would seem him as Black enough.
@mj… the ad will be more effective when runs against bambi… the ad won’t be effective against hillary.. mccain will have to come up with something different against hillary like economy, helathcare etc…
AP Story, as posted on front page of CNN.com. Wow, so now Jeremiah Wright is supposed to be Jesus? Would Jesus scream “God Damn America!” and yell that Hillary Clinton had never been “called a n***er”?
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OBAMA CHURCH COMPLAINS OF ‘CRUCIFIXION’
CHICAGO (AP) — The new pastor of Barack Obama’s Chicago church said during Easter Sunday services that recent national scrutiny of the church is a test that will only make the congregation stronger.
“Any time you go through a crucifixion experience … eventually they have to lift you up,” said the Rev. Otis Moss III, who did not shy away from the controversy surrounding his predecessor at Trinity United Church of Christ, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.
Wright retired from Trinity’s pulpit last month but retains the title of senior pastor. Video from some of his more inflammatory sermons has surfaced online and on television in recent weeks.
Moss said Sunday that Wright’s critics and the news media “are just lifting us up to give us the opportunity to speak love to this situation.”
Obama, a Democratic presidential candidate, has responded to the flap by condemning Wright’s statements but expressing admiration and support for the pastor who officiated at his wedding, baptized his two daughters and inspired the title of his best-selling book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
In a speech last week that took the country’s racial divide head-on, Obama — the son of a white woman from Kansas and a Kenyan father — said black anger persists over injustice in America, and whites shouldn’t be surprised about the way it’s expressed in sermons.
“The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning,” Obama said.
Following up on the fact that Obama didn’t attend church yesterday: does this mean he’s rejected the church? Or does this mean he doesn’t celebrate Easter?
Blind Faith
The statements of clergymen like Jeremiah Wright aren’t controversial and incendiary; they’re wicked and stupid.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, March 24, 2008, at 12:09 PM ET
You often hear it said, of some political or other opportunist, that he would sell his own grandmother if it would suit his interests. But you seldom, if ever, see this notorious transaction actually being performed, which is why I am slightly surprised that Obama got away with it so easily. (Yet why do I say I am surprised? He still gets away with absolutely everything.)
Looking for a moral equivalent to a professional demagogue who thinks that AIDS and drugs are the result of a conspiracy by the white man, Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu. It would be interesting to know whether her charismatic grandson made her aware that he was about to touch her with his grace and make her famous in this way. By sheer good fortune, she, too, could be a part of it all and serve her turn in the great enhancement.
>>Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu.
mp, a President leaves a legacy beyond his 4/8 years in office. There are consequences to his actions and his policies that could affect the lives of generations after.
If you need further proof, I offer you President Bush, whose term expires Jan/2009, but whose policies we will live with long after he’s back at Crawford; and long after his brushes have been cleared for the millionth time.
It’s really not a scare tactic to point out that President McCain is a Neoconservative.
It’s things you might want to consider before saying definitively that you’ll vote for McCain over Obama.
While Obama drowns in his self-made Wright/Moss/Meeks scandal, Hillary is focusing on the issues that matter to Americans: fixing the economy… from Washington Post today:
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IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is scheduled to give a speech on the economy this morning at the University of Pennsylvania — the kickoff to a week in which the New York Senator will spotlight the nation’s fiscal troubles and her allegedly unique ability to solve them.
It’s a sound strategy in a rust-belt state like Pennsylvania, which is set to hold its presidential primary on April 22. In a recent Quinnipiac University poll, that showed Clinton ahead of Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) 53 percent to 41 percent, roughly half of those tested (48 percent) cited the economy as the most important issue to them. The war in Iraq (23 percent) and health care (18 percent) lagged in importance in voters’ minds.
A look back at Clinton’s major triumphs in this campaign makes it clear that nearly every win was based on scoring a significant victory over Obama among voters calling the economy the most pressing issue.
In Ohio, nearly six in ten voters in the Democratic primary said the economy was the number one issue facing the country, and that group went for Clinton 55 percent to 43 percent, according to exit polling.
The same held true for Clinton victories in Arizona, where 49 percent of the electorate called economy the most important issue; he won that bloc by 16 points. In California 46 percent named the economy as the top issue. The Golden State went for Clinton 55 percent to 39 percent. (Former North Carolina senator John Edwards took six percent in Arizona and four percent in California.)
The lone exception to Clinton’s “it’s the economy stupid” dominance was Texas, where half of all Democratic voters said the economy was the most critical issues facing the country but Clinton and Obama split those folks right down the middle — 50 percent to 50 percent. Clinton’s vast margins among Latinos allowed her to win the Lone Star state’s primary, although Obama’s organizational prowess carried him to a win the caucuses that followed.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Following up on the fact that Obama didn’t attend church yesterday: does this mean he’s rejected the church? Or does this mean he doesn’t celebrate Easter?
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It means Obama knows his church and decided to be far, far away but not so far that the media wouldn’t know he was not at his church so he could continue with the “What you talking about Willis” routine.
Well I’m not sure that the Dems are correct in their assertion that the party will simply unite after this primary. Especially considering how Hillary has been treated by the party..those wounds won’t be healed easily.
I think we’ll simply see low turnout in the GE and that’ll ensure a republican win.
That is if the party isn’t smart enough to rally behind Hillary.
By the way, I’m not saying I’ll vote for Obama. What I am saying is we do need to think over this hard. In the long term, who is best to advance progressive ideas.
I may not like the DNC much these days, but I’m true to the progressive cause. I suppose as between McCain and Obama, the consideration really is… lesser of two evils.
Carbynew wrote:
It means Obama knows his church and decided to be far, far away but not so far that the media wouldn’t know he was not at his church so he could continue with the “What you talking about Willis” routine.
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Hehe, yep. And now the whole world knows, Obama puts political expediency ahead of his own religious convictions. Skipping church on Easter Sunday because he’s afraid of political fallout? Yeah, that will play REALLLLLY well among swing-state voters this fall.
This flabbergasting process, made up of glibness and ruthlessness in equal proportions, rolls on unstoppably with a phalanx of reporters and men of the cloth as its accomplices. Look at the accepted choice of words for the ravings of Jeremiah Wright: controversial, incendiary, inflammatory. These are adjectives that might have been—and were—applied to many eloquent speakers of the early civil rights movement. (In the Washington Post, for Good Friday last, the liberal Catholic apologist E.J. Dionne lamely attempted to stretch this very comparison.) But is it “inflammatory” to say that AIDS and drugs are wrecking the black community because the white power structure wishes it? No. Nor is it “controversial.” It is wicked and stupid and false to say such a thing. And it not unimportantly negates everything that Obama says he stands for by way of advocating dignity and responsibility over the sick cults of paranoia and victimhood.
That same supposed message of his is also contradicted in a different way by trying to put Geraldine Ferraro on all fours with a thug like Obama’s family “pastor.” Ferraro may have sounded sour when she asserted that there can be political advantages to being black in the United States—and she said the selfsame thing about Jesse Jackson in 1984—but it’s perfectly arguable that what she said is, in fact, true, and even if it isn’t true, it’s absurd to try and classify it as a racist remark. No doubt Obama’s slick people were looking for a revenge for Samantha Power (who, incidentally, ought never to have been let go for the useful and indeed audacious truths that she uttered in Britain), but their news-cycle solution was to cover their own queasy cowardice in that case by feigning outrage in the Ferraro matter. The consequence, which you can already feel, is an inchoate resentment among many white voters who are damned if they will be called bigots by a man who associates with Jeremiah Wright. So here we go with all that again. And this is the fresh, clean, new post-racial politics?
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To have accepted Obama’s smooth apologetics is to have lowered one’s own pre-existing standards for what might constitute a post-racial or a post-racist future. It is to have put that quite sober and realistic hope, meanwhile, into untrustworthy and unscrupulous hands. And it is to have done this, furthermore, in the service of blind faith. Mark my words: This disappointment is only the first of many that are still to come.
jithendra, are you a moderate or liberal? If you’re moderate, then perhaps McCain is the choice for you.
As for me, a dye-in-the-wool liberal, I think McCain is a relatively nice guy, but he’s a conservative. As a conservative, he’s anti-choice, he’ll appoint conservative Justices, he’s pro-business, and he’ll try to dismantle progressive institutions such as Soc Sec.
I really don’t know much about Obama to say he won’t do the same. He’s just a freakin’ cult leader whom the media refuses to vet. So I can’t say what he will and won’t do. All I have are his speeches and empty promises.
Hillary will win! She’s the only person who will make this country great again. And, certainly, the only person who can advance progressive causes.
He is a proven liar, manipulator, and outsourcer. He wants to throw almost 1 Triilion dollars in Africa for goodness sake, even while we still have people in the USA who are uninsured, impoverished, jobless, and struggling.
There’s definitely a sense of patriotism in my support of any candidate, and I will certainly not support a candidate who I don’t think puts the interest of the American people first and foremost. Let the UN and the other group organizations support other countries. The president of the USA should not be the one feeding other continents when it can barely feed its poorest now.
In this sense, I will vote for McCain over Obama on any given day.
Hillary is by far the most prominent and outstanding candidate among the three. Her committment and dedication oozes out of every pore on her body and I can see this woman leading the free World for the better. Obama will be the president who encourages racial division, radical black power surges, and disruption of harmony everywhere.
i have been hearing conservative & liberal.. i can understand from the word conservative what conservatives are like.. but i don’t get what liberals mean… what are liberals stand for…
Yes – I vote for Hillary. If I can’t vote for her I will vote for McCain. I will not vote for Obama.
Someone over at TM talked about going to dinner at a friend’s house in Berkeley that used to be covered with BO signs. She said most are gone. This jives with what I am seeing when I drive to work. No or 1 or 2 BO bumper stickers when they used to be all of the place. This is Northern “crazy liberal” California. If it is happening here than it is no doubt happening to a much larger degree in the countries heartland, midwest etc.
If you’d asked me a month ago if I could vote for BHO in the general, I probably would have said, “yeah, I’ll hold my nose and be a good Democrat, and do it.”
Not now, though. No way. Not after Wright, after Moss, and after Meeks. Not after the blatant lying and the blatant anti-white racism (”typical white woman”) remarks. And what’s scary is that we’ve only had one week of semi-real “vetting” of Obama now. Imagine what else lurks out there?
Hey check this out…it is the electoral map from 1988 (dukakis vs. bush). Shows what happens when blue states go red. Looking at a replay w/ BO as the nominee.
was just listening to Fox News and the whole Kwame Kilpatrick scandal (Mayor of Detroit) that he is a superdelegate, leaning towards BO.
Hilarious – this guy with all his coverup of his affair, his misuse of public funds and who won’t step down as Mayor…yeah, go ahead an endorse BO, make our day.
Hey check this out….electoral map from 1988 (dukakis vs. bush). Shows what can happen when blue states go red. Looking at a replay if BO is the nominee. That is the narrative.
As for me, a dye-in-the-wool liberal, I think McCain is a relatively nice guy, but he’s a conservative. As a conservative, he’s anti-choice, he’ll appoint conservative Justices, he’s pro-business, and he’ll try to dismantle progressive institutions such as Soc Sec.
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Yeah, I hope Hillary wins…
but on a side note for that anti-choice, my reason is valided by this sombre thought:
a) If women do not care that much about it, they deserve it by voting for BO!
b) If McCain gets elected, then there will be a push by moderates such asArnie, Crist, Snow, Specter and other moderate republicans on the possible overturn of Row vs. Wade issue. And our 4 SCOTUS judges can last another 4 quite easily.
And the worst for the anti/pro choice issue will be that it will become a STATE issue. That suits me fine…my state is very progressive! For those other states well elect the right of progressives ;eaders for your states or move to another!
VERY easy choice for me compared to the national security disaster issue looming on BO’s “real” agenda – as spoken by his mentor – WRIGHT!
Oh..OBAMA WILL WRIGHT ON DAY ONE! Those are his own words!
March 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
i have been hearing conservative & liberal.. i can understand from the word conservative what conservatives are like.. but i don’t get what liberals mean… what are liberals stand for…
Are you sure you’re on the right site? What do liberals stand for?
yes, i don’t know what do they stand for.. and what i am hearing from hillary’ speeches i don’t think she is liberal and share opinions/views same as kerry… i believe hillary is not liberal she is kind of moderate conservative
i suppose kerry is strong liberal.. and he mentioned that if BO is president that would give hope to people in jordan, egypt & saudi arabia… what?? give hope to people in saudi arabia??? hmmm…
Fox News discussing the Republican cross-over in the Dem primaries/caucuses – one panelist, Mary Ann Marsh, said that prior to McCain locking the nomination and TX, Rep crossing over for Obama – but TX showed more Rep crossing over than ever – speculates could be more a result of Rush Limbaugh than what they think of Hillary, and that more Repub cross over to be expected now that McCain is nominee. PA showing record registrations.
As karmic payback for BO’s Dem for Day campaign, I hope that these Repubs vote for Hillary and help her trounce BO in PA.
What the heck? So if Repubs cross over for Hillary it’s a sinister plot, but when they cross over for BO, it’s because they really dig him? These pundits are idiots.
March 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
By the way, I’m not saying I’ll vote for Obama. What I am saying is we do need to think over this hard. In the long term, who is best to advance progressive ideas.
I may not like the DNC much these days, but I’m true to the progressive cause. I suppose as between McCain and Obama, the consideration really is… lesser of two evils.
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I’m sorry but I’m voting for McCain if Hillary is NOT the nominee. This AA has been very up front about her concerns regarding Obama and his integrity, honest (one of the worst i’ve seen in a long time for a pol), Leadership, values and Commander in Chief role.
I have tremendous respect for the men and women in the military and the sacrifice they have made for our country and for Obama to be going to a black liberation church for 20 years pushing terrorist manifestos even after 911 bothers me……………a lot!
I don’t want to waste my vote and I also will stay a democrat and start to fight for my party because I’m tired of being talked down to by the democratic elite who can’t run winning presidential campaign against the REPUGS. There is an anti-American bias running through the democratic party by those who do not fight for the freedom this country allows us.
btw: I also believe it is time to reinstate the draft so that all American will be invested in their country LIBERTY!
The pundit rule about Hillary is that no one supports her unless they have a bad motive. That’s why the NYTimes is puzzled about the increase in online donations to her campaign. They can’t figure out an ulterior motive for them.
jith, jesus, don’t you know how to differentiate between the people and the government. Kerry is an idiot. I can’t imagine any american president that would give saudi women more hope than seeing King Abdullah have to sit down with a woman president.
Hillary is no conservative. That’s laughable.
Kerry is an elit liberal more concerned with social liberalism than bread and butter liberalism.
mj – I don’t think that they were implying this at all. The panelist didn’t really go into why Repubs cross over for BO. But it was the first time I’d heard this objectively on the MSM (because the liberal networks will only talk about cross-over for Hillary as if it is a sinister plot) but Fox said that prior to McCain lock, they were crossing over for BO, and post-McCain lock, now going for Hillary.
They should just say, it’s Repub trying to keep the Dems duking this out to convention.
>>Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu.
ohhh, really is his grandma alive now…
Any Hillary supporters there that could give her a hand?
http://www.slate.com/id/2187277
To have accepted Obama’s smooth apologetics is to have lowered one’s own pre-existing standards for what might constitute a post-racial or a post-racist future. It is to have put that quite sober and realistic hope, meanwhile, into untrustworthy and unscrupulous hands. And it is to have done this, furthermore, in the service of blind faith. Mark my words: This disappointment is only the first of many that are still to come.
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my thoughts exactly. His speech was an affront to everybody who thinks (and aspires to be) they are post-racial, black or white.
jithendra, Kerry is just an idiot — liberal or otherwise.
i believe hillary is not liberal she is kind of moderate conservative
Those are fighting words. You can call her a moderate, a pragmatist, or a political realist. What she is not is a conservative.
You know her record as well as I do. You seem to have a misconception of what a liberal is. We are not socialists, anarchists, or Nadarites — those are the extreme far-left. They are comparable to the extreme far-right.
Not all of us are wackos like Sheehan. We don’t call soldiers “baby killers.” We don’t throw red paint on ppl who wear fur. We don’t all throw rocks through the windows of a Starbucks.
All I got from Bambi’s race speech was a statement of the obvious. We have issues. And how does the great unifier propose we fix these racial problems? Ummm…er….uhh…HOPE! And of course, vote for Barack.
That’s some kind of awesome miracle elixir this guy is pedddling.
The front page of San Juan’s top Spanish-language daily features a gorgeous photograph of the Clintons accompanying an article about an upcoming visit by Bill Clinton to the commonwealth.
The DNC’s rules and bylaws committee today is expected to make official PR’s June 1 primary, with 63 delegates at stake. It used to be a caucus — hmm.
Gov. Anibal Acevedo-Vila has endorsed Obama, but much of the island’s progressive establishment is expected to line up behind Sen. Clinton.
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I think it is very important, not because he has a reputation on foreign affairs and he is endorsing him as commander in chief, and not because he is Hispanic. I don’t think it will have a good big effect in the remaining primaries.
It’s all in the timing. Here is Obama reeling from the Reverend Wright affair. He’s back on his heels. The polls are turning sour on him. It looks as if this has done damage.
By having a man of Richardson’s stature in the Party step in and say “I endorse him. I’m with him. He’s a winner,” I think it sends a message to a lot of delegates who could be wavering that he’s going to win this, and you should be on the right side. So I think it’s very important looking at where and when it happened.
And I think from Richardson’s perspective, you don’t have to be that cynical to think he’s a politician. He knows how important his endorsement was today, and I suspect he either dangled it before him or understood there is a high position in the administration, Obama administration, perhaps Secretary of State or Vice President.
I mean, he’s a guy — if Obama wins, it’s going to be with a combination of New Mexico, Colorado, Florida, and a Hispanic running mate would really help. And if I had been Richardson, I would demand at least those, and maybe a cushy ambassadorship. I would sell my soul for nothing less than the court of Saint James.
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DUMB WHITE GUYS…Richardson winning these states for Obama? Puhlease Richardson couldn’t even wn NM for Obama. Richardson didn’t do anything for the Clinton…it was their own hard work and 35 year relationships with the Latino community. Bill and Hillary worked their butt off for Bill “I didn’t know he was Hispanic” Richardson.
Re Obama’s race speech, Taylormarsh.com had a front page quotiing a Bill Clinton speech years ago saying many of the same things. Uncredited by Obama of course.
Clinton didn’t compare his own grandmother or Ferraro to Wright, though. That’s change, that is.
That does it!! Under dire circumstances I might be persuaded to vote for a Marxist, or an extremist, or a black separatist, or a dumb shit, but I will not vote for anybody supported by a Klingon. See Carbynew @2:31 pm.
>>Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu.
ohhh, really is his grandma alive now…
Any Hillary supporters there that could give her a hand?
She doesn’t live in a fancy modern ‘condo’. She still lives in the same modest small apartment in a ‘nondescript high-rise’, where she and his grandfather (now deceased) raised Obama from age 10-college.
As of about a year ago, she was still answering her own phone but curtly telling reporters she was in poor health and not giving interviews.
For weeks now, it has been routinely reported that Maggie Williams, who replaced the ousted Patti Solis Doyle as Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, is working without pay. I’ve wondered about it from the first time I read it.
This is the same Maggie Williams who worked as the First Lady’s chief of staff, with an office in the West Wing and the additional title of Assistant to the President; the same Maggie Williams who came under fire during the Clintons’ first term for allegedly removing papers from Vince Foster’s office after he committed suicide, and who, although never charged with any wrong doing, accumulated $350,000 in legal bills as a result of being hauled in front of the Senate Banking Committee and questioned about matters relating to Whitewater. She also became embroiled in President Clinton’s fundraising scandals. After Bill Clinton unhappily left the White House, Williams worked briefly as his chief of staff; successfully bringing order and goals to the initially distracted and disordered former president.
Buzz up!on Yahoo!In Saturday’s Wall Street Journal, Mary Jacoby, T.W. Farnam and Amy Chozick report on the financial situations as of late February of the two campaigns. Obama has little debt and $32 million in the bank to devote to besting Hillary. Hillary has $11 million and has $3.7 million in debt. For the month of February, Hillary’s campaign managers paid $3.1 million to pollster/strategist Mark Penn’s firm and $608,000 to advertising adviser Mandy Grunwald’s firm, while Maggie Williams, who seems central to whatever ups the Hillary campaign has enjoyed lately, received nothing.
Questions were raised when news broke last month that Hillary had loaned her campaign $5 million and that some of her senior staffers would be working, temporarily, without pay. But then came assurances that fundraising had picked up and everyone was being paid; everyone, apparently, except Maggie Williams.
As far as I can tell nobody is raising the question about Williams’ payless paydays. Does it strike anyone else as odd? If Hillary wins the nomination will Williams work for free during the general election campaign? If Hillary makes it to the White House, has Williams been promised the chief of staff’s job?
Re Texas crossovers, some volunteers in Texas were saying there were all sorts of reasons, now that McCain was set and the GOP people were free to play around. Some GOP were voting for Hillary to keep the Dem race going. Some were doing it to protest McCain. Some were quoted as saying they wanted to support the weakest candidate but weren’t sure which that was! A few GOP women may have been showing support for a woman candidate.
And of course the GOP stop-hillary thing that Obama has been working on all year, nation-wide, and still is in the states that haven’t voted yet.
Oh, is this another diversionary tack taken by the Huffpost people? The most important question is who is Obama, Clinton and McCain? Who gives a rats ass about Williams (other than I hear she is doing a fabulous job for Hill).
I am fortunate that I will not have to face this scenario.
As a democrat, with moderate views, I can not in good conscience, consider a vote for BHO, or McCain.
BHO is an unknown who has demonstrated he will stab people in the back to get what he wants. His judgement is questionable and his patriotism is debatable at best. BHO has shown he does not represent the core values of the democratic party, instead, he represents his own personal interests.
MCain on the other hand represents the republican party and their platform is for a divisive, and exclusionary government. The true meaning of conservative for the republican party is not a fiscal management style it is purely to restrict the rights of people.
My only recourse would be to vote independent, write in Hillary, or sit the election out.
As I would consider my choices, I recognize that the latter is not an optiion. The right of the people to participate in their government is and should remain sacred. Therefore I would exercise my right to vote. even if it means to to throw my vote away.
I haven’t seen anyone else saying this (except maybe blackagendareport or some other Black anti-Obama site), but maybe Obama is ’socially liberal’ but ‘financially GOP’.
On record he supports abortion, gay rights, etc. But in the fine print in the back room, he acts for the nuclear industry, ’sanctity of contract’ vs foreclosure relief, against 100% UHC, etc. This would be good reason for the corporate world to support him: they’d be free of the embarrassment of the Religious Right but still get the money actions.
you are forgetting that he has NO clue about the real Black experience either. Anyone who has been to Hawaii knows it is the most multi-racial and tolerant place in America. As for the Black experience, he lied about the drugs in his book and went to the church so people would seem him as Black enough.
You’re right about Hawaii, and he was sent to an expensive private school which was even more mult-cultural. But I think the truth about Chicago and his church is worse. From what I’ve read, he CHOSE Chicago BECAUSE he wanted ‘the Black experience.’
is it just me? it seems as of late we are getting a lot more postings and news tidbits on this board bashing Hillary and praising the likes of BHO and McCain.
I thought this was a pro Hillary site? whats going on?
well i have been lurking and also trying to post to no avail, i doubt this post will even go through
but i sure would like to join you in supporting hillary clinton for president!!
Welcome, djia! Sometimes posts get delayed in the spam filter if they have links. We get around that by using h t t p : / / or just starting with www.
Talev writes that “some of the more provocative doctrines” at the core of Wright’s message — Jesus is black, Marxism can aid in a true understanding of the Gospels, the white church in America is the Antichrist — grew out of the writings of James Cone, the founder of the modern black liberation theology movement. “Particularly influential,” she writes, “was Cone’s seminal 1969 book, ‘Black Theology & Black Power.
I don’t have a cite handy, but Obama has said that he was raised agnostic/tolerant and never got seriously moved by any form of Christianity before Wright’s. It was Wright’s ‘African gospel’ or ‘Black values’ or whatever it was called, that CONVERTED Obama from agnosticism. I dunno whether that resembles Christianity as we know it.
Google’s cache of some material about Wright’s church. Archive it before it vanishes from Google!
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oneman has the experience
one man hs the courage
one man has our trust
and young john mccain walks by saluting..
super AD… wow john “the patriot” mccain…
Jithendra,
Thanks very much for letting us know how the McCain campaign is shaping up. We need to know what to expect.
Some of us Hillary people are thinking about a Plan B for how to vote if BO gets the Dem nomination, and some are considering voting for McCain. It’s good for them to see what sort of message they may be endorsing if they do choose McCain.
What I’d wonder is, when was that ad produced, and who is it aimed at? Maybe they produced it on the assumption that the Dem nominee will be Obama? If Hillary is the nominee and it’s used against her, that would send a whole different message!
bambi’ AA support is not useful… because they are minority in numbers in all southern states when it comes to GE… the states that he won with margin in primary like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississipi, Georgia will all be red states in GE… i hope super delegates atleast know that
Yep, very good point. We should all keep our eye on that ball: November electoral votes. Novak’s recent column was talking about BO going down and hinted that the only reason some SD were considering him was ‘fear of Black anger’. If like John Lewis they’re afraid of losing support among their own constituents, that makes sense. But if they’re afraid of losing states in November because AA’s stay home or go McCain — then we need to look at whether we ever had any chance of winning those states in the first place!
And if Novak means fear of Sharpton rioting in Denver … imo that’s a fear we need to examine and see if it’s really such a danger that we should be rushing to Obama in fear….
Jith, that isn’t great if Hill is also losing to him.
Depends on how big the relative margins are. I think I’ve seen figures in some polls that show McCain beating Obama in double digits in some states, while McCain only has a point or two above Hillary.
Of course if they’re both losing to McCain by very high margins, then we might as well write that state off anyway (unless something new turns up to hurt McCain).
Clinton’s people are using electoral college math to persuade superdelegates. Here is an excellent blog on that topic. If you are writing to superdelegates you may want to use this info.
Great! We should remind everyone that the whole point of assigning different numbers of ‘delegates’ to different states is to reflect the November system of ‘electoral votes’ — so we know what to expect from each electoral vote district. This tells us which candidate will appeal to which state in Nov. So we need to choose the candidate who appeals to the states where we have a chance of winning in Nov.
Well, that’s garbled, I need coffee, but there’s a Talking Point in there SOMEWHERE.
ok, now that i know i am able to post, i would like to repost LOL
that i have written a bit about me several times here and gave up
and put it in my profile instead…….so if you wish to know more about me
that’s where you can find it : D
Can I sue the DNC for harrassment? Seriously, no matter how many times I tell them to fuck off, that they aren’t getting a dime from me, they just keep sending me spams for cash.
I view that as an opportunity to give them good advice, just by hitting ‘Reply’.
Actually I do tell them Dean and Brazile need to shape up and seat FL/MI etc. There’s always the chance someone is reading those donation reply emails in hopes of money. Maybe I should stop changing the subject line, though.
Geraldine Ferraro on Fox. Wanted to know where Bill R. was when the Obama people were so horrible to her. I’m glad GF did not fold up her tent and go home. She is still out there fighting. I love her!
Ok, here is something I shared with Fran who was posting here but wanted to share here myself
And until now I couldn’t,but i have emailed it the admin here as well as rush and hannity. so i am hopeful
this will get out , I don’t know who to send this to so that hillary will get it… I have read many of you
talk about sending things to Hillary via “tips” but when i go to the web site i don’t see that link
so i always email to her under “issues”…..is there a better place to send important information quickly??
I was researching something and came upon this link by accident, its well hidden actually, when you go to the
home page of this site I couldn’t find a link to this page i have linked to here……..wonder why??
but this raised my eyebrows and begged me to ask a few questions as well….
Notice the dates of the this conference, obama was a member, with a law background, specifically a constitutional law background
and being a big financial contributor to this church and his “family” closeness to the Reverend
all this begs one to ask questions and seek answers; Was obama helping this church to write and file this ? Would obama purposely try to hurt American whites this way? If he did how can he say he’s not racist against whites?
so many questions yet to be asked and answered!!!!
Submitted by TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST and UNIVERSITY CHURCH
There can be no dispute that Africans were forcefully and through deceit, stolen from Africa, oppressed, abused physically, emotionally and psychologically, and forced to work without pay – the highest and most inhumane form of theft. The law as well as New Testament says if something has been stolen – repayment four fold is required, i.e., reparations.
There can be no doubt that one of the aftermaths of this horrible tragedy and smear on American history and greatness, is racism both institutional and personal, along with its pervasive counter part white supremacy, which has produced a deep malaise of the human spirit in a whole race of people. There can be no dispute that community is broken – remaining unreconciled, and in need of restoration. There has yet to be an official apology (repentance) for this great suffering and tragedy. This great suffering as aptly noted and described by Non-governmental Organizations and African Nations meeting as a part of the African Regional Preparatory Conference for the UN World Conference Against Racism, in January 2001 has resulted in, substantial and lasting economic, political and cultural damage caused to the descendants of the victims, the perpetuation of the prejudice against Africans on the continent of people of the African descent in the Diaspora, including and specifically the United States of America.
We need advocacy, as called for by the prophet Isaiah, by a people of God for a new community.
Both reparations and advocacy for a new community will demonstrate as it did for Zacchaeus – that salvation has truly come. We need repentance, restitution, restoration and reconciliation.
The following resolution on Reparations for African Americans, supported by this theological rationale and others, will assist the
members of the Illinois Conference United Church of Christ to indeed embrace repentance, restitution, restoration and reconciliation as called for in the Law, by the prophets and as demonstrated in the teaching of Jesus.
but it is this that i found the most interesting of the entire website article:
Quote
BACKGROUND:
Members of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the United Church of Christ began conversations on the issue of reparations for slavery following the Disciples Justice Action Network-sponsored Justice Jubilee 2000 gathering in Tulsa, Oklahoma in September 2000. It was noted that awareness and discussion of this issue occurs almost exclusively among African American clergy and those churches they serve, but is also a justice issue long overdue for the serious attention of Christian citizens motivated by faith and tradition. Members of two Illinois Conference congregations – Trinity UCC, Chicago and University Church, Chicago – have held church school classes and study groups on reparations.
as well as this section:
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SUMMARY:
This resolution calls upon the Illinois Conference of the United Church of Christ, its Associations, its local churches, and other
related agencies, to be educated about the historical evils of the slave trade and its legacy which is a pernicious and self perpetuating distrust and fear that continues to feed the sin of racism and its fruits of inequality and injustice. It further calls upon the Conference to take actions in support of reparations.
Barry is at it again. Does he even know the truth anymore!
3/24/2008
FACT CHECK: Sen. Obama Accepts Over $1 Million From Subprime Lending Industry
The Obama campaign’s response to the comprehensive plan Hillary laid out to address the housing crisis today was not to discuss their disagreement with her proposal but to assert that Hillary has received contributions from subprime loan companies.
Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans, that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.
Thought I’d share this: I waded over to the Daily Kos cesspool just to see what those on the other side are thinking. I could only stand about 5 minutes there but in scanning through the posts I found out some interesting tidbits from the Obamabots from the diaries I looked at:
1. They are genuinely concerned about Hillary doing well in Pennsylvania and what that will do to the race. They are worried it will go to the convention.
2. They don’t talk a lot about the Wright affair–you’d think it never happened.
3. They are convinced every negative that comes out of Obama’s mouth about Hillary is completely true
4. They are talking about running someone to challenge Hillary’s senate seat in 2012.
That Hillary writer’s strike must be working as it’s nearly 100% pro-Obama over there. I used to think the Democratic Underground was bad but Daily Kos is in the same category. Absolutely disgusting place….
Terrndt, I too wish we had recent polling for In. The one poll I looked up was back in Feb and he was up but this was a local poll.
In, I have no idea how it leans due to no polling but it’s western border is next to IL, Obama’s state but the remaining borders are next to Hill friendly states i,e Michigan, OH, TN etc and she has the senator Evan Bayh for her.
I’m hoping to see new PA, In, Ky and NC polls this week.
If the day ever comes that MO starts praising Hillary whenever she praises Bambi, then that is when I think President Clinton should automatically include Bambi when he is praising Hillary and/or McCain!
Here’s a site that works from any state with your zip code. In 2 minutes you can email a ton of newspapers (check all boxes) and send one email to all of them.
h t t p : / / tiny.cc/3kQPH
I just used that to post to some national papers:
Someone had quite a good idea: send in ALL the disputed delegates as “Uncommitted.” Let them make up their own minds.
This is how conventions were done in the past, before these pesky new-fangled pledged delegates were born nor thought of.
Obama should like this fine, because after taking his own name off the Michigan ballot, he went into Michigan to campaign for the “Uncommitted” slate there.
The closing paragragh from todays Washington Post describing Hillarys economic plan. This message needs to sink in with voters:
‘the ultimate test of our long-term economic policies are the wages, jobs, health care and economic mobility of typical and too often “invisible” American families. The answer does not lie in extending high-income tax cuts or in expensive new corporate tax cuts. Nor is it in creating a spate of new government bureaucracies. Hillary Clinton supports policies that empower Americans directly to achieve greater economic security and upward mobility: a health-care tax credit that goes directly to you; a $1,000 matching tax cut that goes directly to your savings account; and higher education tax cuts that go directly to pay for your or your child’s tuition and dreams of a better future.”
Is Obama supposed to be in the U.S. Virgin Islands or British Virgin Islands? Personally, I think there is something else he’s up to, besides being nowhere around TUCC at Easter. Out of range for wiretapping by U.S State Department (scrutiny)? – Wish they were investigating his contributions and Nation of Islam connections. What was up with sudden change of complete Secret Service Detail not long ago? Did they suspect SS of blowing whistles? Oh, to be a fly on the wall. Anyway, think he’s out of country for a reason – other than relaxation. Is other shoe fixing to fall and he knows it? Is he planning, wheeling and dealing from afar and away from U.S. airwaves and cell towers rallying his troops for a coup takeover by Superdelegates? Richardson is absolutely a traitor and sell-out. Even Karl Rove said that Clinton had-picked him out, named him Ambassador, then Energy Secretary – allowing him to gain national prominence in which to capture NM governorship. Another audacious politician who would be a regular Joe Blow on the street, had it not been for Clintons. Then – he, of all people calling on the other SD to follow “his lead”. He thinks he’ll be VP, you can tell. He is the worst type of person. No thankfulness or loyalty whatsoever. Still hasn’t had the guts to call BC, according to news sources. He’ll get his. Maybe he’s just one bite away from that Taco Bell in the sky. Hope he loses his next election, because he damn sure won’t be VP. There’d be two good reasons not to support an Obama/Richardson ticket. Also – the fact that he supported Obama (even if he had already told Obama he would) following hearing Wright’s anti-American rants and hate-speech, means the AA and Latino in the race have absolutely no decency or morals whatsoever. If I were AA or Latino – I would be so PISSED OFF that THIS is what represents me? As it is, I’m just a “typical white person” who is MAD AS HELL and I’M NOT TAKING IT ANYMORE. I’m also furious that the Texas County Convention will apparently be held this week (I’m a HRC delegate) since the Texas Democratic Party didn’t have the balls to honor HRC’s request to hold off, since not all counted. Gov. Perry + Gov. Richardson = Double Judas.
what is it with the black hawke helicopter landing under fire. what a non-story! You know I bet Senator Clinton has had a run in her hose too. That’s what I equate this to, OMG, these Obamabots are looking for anything they can find to blow up bigger than it is. Maybe they should look at her Girl Scout record! LOL!! they are so ridiculous!!!
Born into slavery as one of the youngest of thirteen children of James and Elizabeth in Ulster County, New York, in 1797, Sojourner Truth’s given name was Isabella Baumfree. As almost all of her brothers and sisters had been sold to other slave owners, some of her earliest memories were of her parents’ stories of the cruel loss of their other children. [snip]
In 1843, she changed her name to Sojourner Truth – her name for a traveling preacher, one who speaks the truth – and left New York. She traveled throughout New England, where she met and worked with abolitionists such as William Lloyd Garrison, and Frederick Douglass. Her life story, The Narrative of Sojourner Truth: A Northern Slave, written with the help of friend Olive Gilbert, was published in 1850.
While traveling and speaking in states across the country, Sojourner Truth met many women abolitionists and noticed that although women could be part of the leadership in the abolitionist movement, they could neither vote nor hold public office. It was this realization that led Sojourner to become an outspoken supporter of women’s rights.
In 1851, she addressed the Women’s Rights Convention in Akron, Ohio, delivering her famous speech “Ain’t I a Woman?” The applause she received that day has been described as “deafening.” From that time on, she became known as a leading advocate for the rights of women. She became one of the nineteenth century’s most eloquent voices for the cause of anti-slavery and women’s rights.
Because we want to share our ideas and experiences, our common goals, and nonpartisan solutions to the challenges that we face - and there are no limits to what we can achieve when we do.
And because we want to keep working for a better future for every child, from every family – a world in which no limits is not just our goal, but a reality!
NoLimits.org will "keep you up to date with news about issues on which Hillary took a lead and we know you care so much about," group President Ann Lewis said in an e-mail to as many as 2 million people culled from the Clinton campaign database.
Because No Limits is a registered nonprofit, "it cannot do anything political. It has to be nonpartisan," said Lewis, a longtime senior adviser to Clinton.
In Clinton's job as secretary of state for President Obama, her political dealings are highly restricted.
For example, she shut down her political action committee.
Some, like Democratic consultant and former Bill Clinton aide Chris Lehane, dismiss talk that the group could be a springboard for Clinton to try again for the White House in, say, 2016.
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar," Lehane said. "I think this is just [a] group of folks who developed relationships in an intense [electoral] environment and want to stay together."
But the University of Virginia's Larry Sabato countered: "Whenever a group like this says it's not a political organization, you just know it is."
"Maybe [this] is Hillary's answer to Obama's new 'change' group that controls his golden mailing list. Maybe it's a way for Secretary of State Clinton to mobilize backing for her objectives at the State Department," he said. "And maybe [it's] a standby committee of supporters in case Hillary decides to get back into elective politics."
Democratic consultant Hank Sheinkopf said NoLimits.org is "one way to make sure that she - and/or the former President - still have political leverage."
Hillary World-Wide January 26, 2009
Secretary of State Hillary R. Clinton Meets Afghan Women Lawyers. Secretary of State Hillary R. Clinton met today at the State Department with fourteen prominent Afghan women judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys. These jurists were in Washington to participate in a training program arranged by the Department’s Public-Private Partnership for Justice Reform in Afghanistan. Secretary Clinton told them: "Your American friends greatly admire your bravery and courage. It is your work in the tough environment of Afghanistan for women lawyers that will bring real reform and the rule of law to the Afghan people. As President Obama made clear yesterday in his first foreign policy announcement, we are committed to supporting your efforts to bring security and stability to your country."
HRC should ask the following questions at her next campaign rally in PA.
“my opponent thinks i should drop out, what do the voters in PA have to say about that? my opponent obviously believes your votes don’t matter, it’s a “done deal”, what do you think about that? my opponent is so sure of his standing he took it upon himself to take a vacation, take a little rest, put his feet up. my opponent thinks this race is over. what do you think about that?”
dumb white person checking in here.
Alcina, I agree, she needs to start hammering that in to folks.
dumb white person off to work…see ya.
wolfson .. pinning Chris Matthews down on the meanness of the Obama campaign.
Matthews will not retreat and trying to say that Richardson could have SWUNG Texas to Obama.
Wolfson is CALLING Matthews OUT and he’s calling OUT the Obama Camp
YES, YES, YES.
Mika concerned after talking to her family over the weekend…
WRIGHT has not been forgotten.
ADMIN…good post. I love that Kerry tape. He is such a pompous ass.
We’ve heard about Obama’s white grandmother. Here’s something more important about his upbringing: how his white liberal guilty GRANDFATHER treated the grandmother.
In his blog at h t t p : / / isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-throws-his-own-living-grannie.html
Steve Sailor quotes a story from Obama’s memoir, which shows Obama’s white grandfather displaying some shocking liberal guilt (and dysfunctionally dumping it on a 17-year-old Obama).
The grandmother wanted a ride to work because she had been threatened at the bus stop by a bum. The grandfather refused to give her a ride — because she had said the
bum was Black. The grandfather is more upset about her word than about the physical danger she is in at the bus stop. He wants to leave her in that physical danger because of the word she used.
No wonder Obama thinks words are powerful — and knows how to use white guilt as a powerful tool for manipulating white liberals. He was raised from age 10 by such a white guilt grandfather.
Quoting from Sailer:
A careful look at this incident as Obama described it on pp. 88-91 of Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance (which I reviewed in 2007) shows that Obama is slandering his elderly grandmother to make Rev. Dr. Wright look better. Obama’s white grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who was raising him and earning most of the money in the family while his own mother was off in Indonesia working on her 1067 page dissertation on peasant blacksmithing, rode the bus each morning to her job as a bank executive. One day, the 16-18 year old Obama wakes up to an argument between his grandmother and grandfather. She didn’t want to ride the bus because she had been hassled by a bum at the bus stop. She tells him:
“Her lips pursed with irritation. ‘He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn’t come, I think he might have hit me over the head.”
So why didn’t Obama’s lefty grandfather want to drive his own wife to work? Because to help his wife avoid the hostile, dangerous panhandler would be morally wrong, because the potential mugger was … Well, I’ll let Sen. Obama tell the story:
“[ The grandfather ] turned around and I saw that he was shaking. ‘It is a big deal. It’s a big deal to me. She’s been bothered by men before. You know why she’s so scared this time. I’ll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.’ He whispered the word. ‘That’s the real reason why she’s bothered. And I just don’t think that right.’
“The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure. In my steadiest voice, I told him that such an attitude bothered me, too, but reassured him that Toot’s fears would pass and that we should give her a ride in the meantime. Gramps slumped into a chair in the living room and said he was sorry he had told me. Before my eyes, he grew small and old and very sad. I put my hand on his shoulder and told him that it was all right, I understood.
“We remained like that for several minutes, in painful silence. Finally he insisted that he drive Toot after all, and I thought about my grandparents. They had sacrificed again and again for me. They had poured all their lingering hopes into my success. Never had they given me reason to doubt their love; I doubted if they ever would. And yet I knew that men who might easily have been my brothers could still inspire their rawest fear.”
Then Obama drives over for counseling to the house of his grandfather’s friend Frank, an old black Communist Party USA member, who tells him:
“What I’m trying to tell you is, your grandma’s right to be scared. She’s at least as right as Stanley is. She understands that black people have a reason to hate. That’s just how it is. For your sake, I wish it were otherwise. But it’s not. So you might as well get used to it.”
MIKA, very worried about Obama .. boy that camp is tanking quick.
Friday will be a good day for Hillary..I’m with IDUNN.
Matthews when they saw that Obama would “consort” with the anti-Americans .. it didn’t take much for the Obama supporters to jump ship ..
This Hamas thing needs to HIT the air big time ..
Matthews admitting that the didn’t answer the Wright question.
Something About GUNS in PA. What is going on with the guns.
playing “FreeFalling” as they go to commercial break.
527’s will hit Obama .. per Pat.
Help Hillary blow out the vote in PA – blog here
http://www.padems.com/
HA!!!!!
From the Poll-merister at the PA Dem Party! LOL
Note: “From those who responded” and we know BO supporters hae infiltrated these sites and skew the numbers so the State Dem Party will have to report this info to the DNC… funny how wrong they will be come election time…
“This week, over 1,000 Pennsylvania Democrats voted in the online poll. We designed this initial poll to identify correlations among gender, national priorities, and preferences between the Democratic candidates for President. We immediately observed that while Barack Obama holds the majority of support from our sample, this support distinctly changes across gender and issue priorities. Here are a few of the interesting things we learned:
• 60.3% of respondents support Barack Obama, while only 37.4% support Hillary Clinton
• Obama’s support is highest among women, of whom 65.6% support Barack
• Clinton’s support is highest among those believing the economy is of highest priority, with Hillary gaining 43.8% vs. Barack’s 53.7%.
• Clinton’s support is lowest among those prioritizing the war, with only 23.9% support vs. Obama’s 73.8%
• Overall, 43.7% prioritize the economy, while 35.5% prioritize the war and 20.9% prioritize health care.
(* It is important to note that these results, by themselves, are not necessarily representative of Pennsylvanians as a whole, nor do they claim to be predictive of an election outcome. These results are merely valuable as a means of identifying correlations and trends among a specific population of active Democratic voters.) “
dot48 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Mika concerned after talking to her family over the weekend…
WRIGHT has not been forgotten.
The Novak piece also sounds very negative for Obama.
h t t p : / / http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301400.html?nav=hcmodule
Polls in Pennsylvania taken before Obama’s speech Tuesday showed that Clinton’s narrow lead had expanded to double digits, and private surveys since then indicate the margin is growing.
….
The problem for Obama is that furor over Wright has reached beyond voters normally interested in political controversies. Over the past week, I have been asked repeatedly by non-political people about Obama’s connection with Wright’s tirades. In the process, Obama’s political persona has been altered — transformed from Harvard Law Review to South Side activist….
White working class voters are not voting for Obama. Mika is really hissing in the background LOL
Pat, how does she win the nomination without the delegates .. she’s gotta demand something be done about FL and MI ..
Ron Brownstein .. this race isn’t over and the Media shoudn’t be saying that on air to people.
Broke over on MSNBC .. wanted to see what traitor Richardson was saying .. he’s such a scum.
Bet Hillary’s Gallup Poll is up today..
glad to see Wolfson out this morning .. however, Hillary needs more surrogates out there. Maybe she could get Ted Strickland and Evan Byah .. get some big guns out. Some Governors and maybe some of her Generals could push back.
Wolfson by himself will get smothered.
Dot…send the campaign an email, or better yet, pick up the phone and call them. Talk to Press Office. Tell them you are a worker bee for HHillary and a CITIZEN who is seeing the deluge of BO noisemakers on television. It’s time to PUSH BACK
On the local Phila news over the weekend they were interviewing average citizens about the primary. All except one were for Hillary and that one was wavering because of his association with Wright.
Maybe we can push that one voter (an a million others) over the edge when they see ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL and supporter of Obama’s AND A Super Delegate, spewing White Hate
http://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
Help me get this out please…I have to get to work!
Hey….maybe we can push that one voter (and millions of others) over the edge when they read that ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, SUPER DELEGATE and SUPPORTER OF OBAMA is spewing more White Hate.
http://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
I havse to get to work. Will y’all please help me get this out today.
Along with the “Wright/Jesus” weekend, this may be a one-two-three punch
thanks you in advance
dot48 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Pat, how does she win the nomination without the delegates .. she’s gotta demand something be done about FL and MI ..
Maybe Hillary’s camp should put it this way — “The choice of the Democrats of all 50 states.”
or
“the popular vote of Democrats of all 50 states”
boy Mika seems to have really gotten a “reality check” this weekend.
The fact that Wright won’t go away is freakin her out.
sorry abbout the double post….first one got hung up in the filter
MSNBC so far has been almost exclusively talking about Pastor Wright and the problem Obama has in Pennsylvania and with white working class voters.
Perhaps this is because Pat Buchanan is co-hosting.
The point is that the Wright story is still THE story.
The Obama speech did not kill the story – it is only feeding it.
The Smerconish interview we linked to will also be aired today which will feed the story even more.
Even Mika is admitting that the Wright story is hurting Obama in Pennsylvania where she visited over the weekend.
Anyone know if CNN trying to bury the story? Is Fox News still on the story? There is a “Church and State” story featuring Obama/Wright on CNN.
The story will dominate the news until the Rezko trial recess ends next Monday. Then it will be Rezko/Wright with the addition of Jones and Meeks and other Obama pals.
(Dressing for work and watching Big Pink and listening to CNN)
CNN: Doing Wright/Obama as it relates to Black Churches now
CNN Top Stories
4000 dead in Iraq
Gas Prices
Alaska Fishing boat sinking
Meat Plant explosion in Arkansas
the big push today in the media will be that Hillary simply doesn’t have the “math”…it’s meant to demoralize her base and suppress the votes.
This is why she needs surrogates out there .. telling media to STFU and let people Vote and we’ll come to a decision in June.
A lot could happen between now and June and that is what the Obama camp knows.
PENNSYLVANIANS,Our country’s future is on the line.Barack will not be the next President.He is only the means for the REPUGS to win back yhe majority.They will subject him to the most intense political destruction process ever created.It will make Waterboarding look like a day at the beach.
Support Hillary,Send her money,Make phone calls,volunteer help,prtest to the DNC over MI and FL votes,Our country needs her now more than ever.She loves our country and its people,she has strength,vision,determination,intelligence never seen before in a presidential race and she is the first Woman that will be our 44th President of this great country.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
This 90 yr.old male is so proud to support you
ABM90
Dot,
Just got up and gotta get outta the house for Doctor stuff so missed the Mika meltdown.
What happened?
And is there a link about her and her dad? I don’t know much about them.
Well-said, ABM90! We need to do EVERYTHING we can to win this. Contribute, make calls, write, etc., etc.! We’re in it to win it!
Rasmussen Poll
March 24th 2008
Hillary 44
Obama 45
What was the Mika meltdown. Do tell. I can’t stand that woman.
I don’t think the Richardson endorsement would have done jack squat in TX. What an utterly stupid thing to say. Matthews is an idiot.
Hillary is going to make a “major” speech today per CNN. Does anyone know what she is going to be talking about?
Not to change the subject, but, the Hammas story from last week needs just a little more push, I thought some Jewish papers have picked this up??
should Hillary take Richardsons advice and drop out of the race
(of course not)
but go vote
news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll
This is a real problem. The MSM is so corrupt. They really are trying to effect the result.
I mean, determine the result.
Obama has regained some points in the national polls however IMO some of the movement may be due to the speech and the incessant coverage it received I would think.
JAS, the numbers you posted from Rasmussen are switched. It’s Hillary 45%, Obama 44%.
AG, don’t put too much weight on national polls right now. The are very close.
Spread this far and wide:
Another Obama pastor under fire for racist talk
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59735
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Kz-_IaFyU&feature=related
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339770,00.html
Thanks mj, you have a good point. We keep obsessing about national polls but those have remained about the same even when the state polls have changed drastically.
Caroline…it’s economic, i think. She has put together a meeting with Rubin and Greenspan on fixing the housing crisis
Will probably be stgreamed. Wish I could see it. I have to go
Caroline – the death toll in Iraq just hit 4,000… maybe it’s about that? Not sure.
I dont believe any of the the pollsters like Rassmussen and Gallup, they are so in the tank for Obama, I’d believe Survey USA, they have been on the ball and they show Obama is taking on water and sinking.
If Rassmussen says Hillary and Obama are even, you can add about 5% to Hillary.
Gallup is totally unreliable, they are a total mess. I strongly beleive Hillary will win PA by about 20 to 30%.
Thanks SpacegirlArt. I hope she had a nice rest over the Easter weekend and is ready to come out firing. Right now, state polls are all that matters.
in case you missed it up thread (as I did):
SpacegirlArt Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Hey….maybe we can push that one voter (and millions of others) over the edge when they read that ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, SUPER DELEGATE and SUPPORTER OF OBAMA is spewing more White Hate.
http://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
Well slap me sily… sorry about that !!!
Does anyone know where Ted Kennedy now stands in his support? I highly think that Mr Wright using the phrase, “the chickens have come home to roost,” sitting well with Mr Kennedy.
in case you missed this up thread (like I did):
SpacegirlArt Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Hey….maybe we can push that one voter (and millions of others) over the edge when they read that ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL, SUPER DELEGATE and SUPPORTER OF OBAMA is spewing more White Hate.
rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
oops, first post must have been hung up in filter… sorry about the repeat!
I think the Kennedy’s and Kerry have been made to look like right asses by Obama. Richardson just made a prize idiot out of himself and Dood another one. Ted Kennedy has gone mega silent.
Obama made a mess when he lost Mass. and now this. They called him the new JFK and look at Obama now.
When Hillary wins this thing, i hope she takes them all out to the woodshed and whoops them hard. They totally deserve it.
Has anyone seen the new Newsweek this week…..cover story is “From Barry to Barack.” How is it?
great post admin, though now Im confused….
am I dumb or typical… or maybe both.
in any case, I have to repost Idunn’s youtube treasure from yesterday because it is soooooo funny and sooooooo true and the song is stuck in my head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xtNr5-up0U
Exerpts from the major economy/housing speech Hillary is giving this morning in Pennsylvania:
thepage.time.com/excerpts-from-clintons-economic-speech/
America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm.
This guy doesn’t know his math. Logarithms make numbers smaller. As in the logarithm of one is zero.
MerrimackValley , who is this guy?
So Hillary’s giving major speeches while her classless opponent is off sunning himself out of the country.
No shock there. I’ve heard quite a few people say today basically, “Easter is very important to us Christians, seems Obama doesnt give a hoof about Church at Easter”.
That could prove very fatal. Obama really is in the shit deep.
cspan reports Detroit Free Press that they are trying to still work out something in MI for revote.
Please concentrate on this thought today .. send positive thoughts that Hillary’s votes will count
For some reason, I can’t post from my computer at home only at work. Admin, can you look into this please.
Today, on Laura Ingram, she openned with Rev. Otis Moss III and his ‘lynching’ analogy, Bill Clinton’s remarks. she said that she agreed with Kathleen Parker at the Nat’l Review- she didn’t read Bill’s remarks as hitting Obama on his patriotism.
she said that BO is too thin skinned and if he can’t stand up and take the heat now, how can he do it when American enemies aer hitting us.
She is still going on with Rev. Moss’ comments. This story will live in talk radio today.
the question is will she even get covered
Guys, we have to turn up the heat in PA. Let’s try to get Hill a 20pt win in PA. 15pts would be good but 20pt would be great.
Take some of this energy and call PA, blog, leave comments at articles, donate…..
we can do this.
Probably, dot. BO is on vacation.
MerrimackValley , who is this guy?
It’s Andrew Sullivan in the main post, the second Dumb White Person.
Scathing
http://www.wacotrib.com/opin/content/news/opinion/stories/nugent/03232008_wac_nugent.html
I may have been born at night, senator, but I was not born last night.
Politicians of many political stripes have made mistakes and then have tried to weasel out of them through carefully crafted statements when they are obviously guilty of the mistake.
You would have to be incredibly naïve to believe that President Clinton did not inhale or that Obama did not hear inflammatory remarks from the Rev. Wright over 20 years in the pews. I believe he did hear such words and he did not quit the church or publicly repudiate the Rev. Wright’s ugly sentiments.
Obama only denounced the Rev. Wright’s morally repugnant statements when the media’s spotlight shined upon Wright’s darkness. I don’t believe Sen. Obama and neither should you.
When given the opportunity to tell the truth, Obama took the slick and slimy road too often traveled by our politicians.
America cannot afford to elect a dishonest fraud as president.
Seems America aint buying the bullshit.
some woman calling in on Cspan … if Hillary is not on the ticket, she won’t be voting LOL and asking if Wrigth can get by Obama — what would get by him in the WhiteHouse. Great question.
Need to keep Wright issue flaming in PA….calling in to local radio talk shows, blogging on local blogs, letters to editor, etc. Anyone who would choose to align themselves w/ an America-hater is not fit to be CiC. Pundits may not want to acknowledge but “regular folk” feel it in their gut. This is what will bring him down. It took Dean 6 weeks and a big loss in WI before he dropped out in 2004. We can’t let up the pressure.
admin Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:50 am
MSNBC so far has been almost exclusively talking about Pastor Wright and the problem Obama has in Pennsylvania and with white working class voters.
Perhaps this is because Pat Buchanan is co-hosting.
The point is that the Wright story is still THE story.
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Admin, when I was getting dressed this morning, I watched a bit of Fox and MessSNBC. I think that it is partly because Pat is co-hosting although Joe has also been pointing out that Blue collar/Regan Democrats and Whites won’t take to this Wright affiliation and that Obama will be hurt.
Fox was stalking about the Bill/McPeak dust up and they were very sympathetic to Bill. I only watched Fox for 5 mins.
However, I’ve found that whatever the am show covers,w ill be expounded on several times through out the day.
Add to that Rev. Moss’s sermon, ‘How to survive a puplic lynching’ where he compared Jesus’ ‘lynching’ to their church and Wright being ‘lynched’ by the media.
Laura ingrahm who is a devout catholic is ALL over this this am. She said, ‘wasn’t this new pastor suppose to be different’ and ‘why is Obama still a member’.
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WORK TO GET HILL A 20PT WIN.
Just ask people…..do you want Rev. Wright officiating at the WH christmas ceremony?
1950 …
“Steve Sailor quotes a story from Obama’s memoir, which shows Obama’s white grandfather displaying some shocking liberal guilt (and dysfunctionally dumping it on a 17-year-old Obama”
…and the what does BHO do?
he reassures his grandfather that he understands, and then drives over to get some counseling from a family friend
WAS THIS BEFORE OR AFTER HE DID A LINE AND SMOKED A JOINT??
(since it was BHO that admitted he used drugs during his youth!)
wtf
dot48 Said:
March 24th, 2008 at 8:02 am
wolfson .. pinning Chris Matthews down on the meanness of the Obama campaign. Matthews will not retreat and trying to say that Richardson could have SWUNG Texas to Obama.
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I think it was obvious for a few weeks that Richardson was not going to do something courageous like support Clinton, but that he was more likely to suck up to Obama to try to be the veep. So this came to pass, but like most of these endorsements, a lot of the times the timing is controlled.
So if Richardson was on board w/ Obama, he could have been working behind the scenes, and maybe he did. And despite Obama’s best efforts to pull out all the stops (throwing money around on ads, kitchen sink politics, workinig MSM) to apply a Death Blow by winning TX and/or OH, he failed. The best they could do was lamely try to spin how he “actually won” TX if you factor in the caucus results. This too is suspect because a) the results a still being tallied and haggled about b) yet another state where dirty tricks and intimidation are the key to “winning” caucuses.
Richardson could have had a greater impact like a month ago, by now, it was old, expected, news.
Hello everyone:
A telling contrast:
Hillary talking about the economy and how to help people worst hit by the mortgage crisis. She is giving a big speech on that as I wriet this now.
Obama is still talking about race, his ties to Wright, that his church is not a crackpot church ,
and not taking responsibility for being associated with an anti-American church,
Which do you think the voters not just in PA but alla cross the country would find more relevant to their daily lives?
The politics of this is very bad for Obama nd will continue to be bad until he quits that church. This issue won’t die until then. Even then people won’t forget his 20-year association.
Endorsements only matter if they can bring votes, i.e. organization, machine. Richardsons endorsement is good for a newscycle. Matthews is just high on the hopium.
I have switched to Fox in order to get the latest on BHO and his slide toward the cliff.I have no illusions about their plan to get BO ready for the RNC autopsy on him if he is the candidate.I also know that they will go back on path of destructing Hillary.Not many MSM we can watch that is fair and balanced.MSNBC is the all time winner of the Golden Garbage Can AWard and its contents of smelly human waste.Pat Buchanan is a breath of fair air for now,but remember he is still a Repub. Guess I’ll have to watch Weather channel until Hillary is inaugurated.Keep in mind these very important words about her.
” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”
By ABM90
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cheney on hamas
I was bummed last week because I was sick and thought I couldn’t do much campaigning for Hillary. Turns out that if I just get on the phone and ask my neighbors for money, they give it to me. So I’m donating 300 from mostly five dollar donations and peoples change jars to Hillary, try this in your apt building, and at work, I only asked people to give “what they wouldn’t notice missing” .. and it’s been rolling in.
Morning all.
CNN has a piece up about Obama’s church easter service and not one mention of a “Public lynching”
Has anyone watched Hussein Obama’s ad that features his WHITE mom, WHITE grandma and WHITE grandpa?
rjk1957 Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:35 am
CNN has a piece up about Obama’s church easter service and not one mention of a “Public lynching”
Then why even do the piece? Wasn’t that the news from that event?
hellow all
i don’t understand why CO alarm goes off in my apt ocassionally
The Obama campaign is holding a conference call right now in an attempt to pre-empt Hillary Clinton’s 10 AM address on the economy and mortgage crisis. The message: don’t trust her.
Campaign Manager David Plouffe essentially dismissed whatever polices Senator Clinton will propose in 15 minutes. “We’ve talked about many of the same solutions,” he said, trying to refocus on Obama’s refusal to accept money from lobbyists. “Senator Clinton has not shown a propensity to support reform in Washington.”
“We just think this is a fundamental divide for voter and one we’ll continue to stress,” he continued, trying to cast doubt on Clinton’s reform credentials by highlighting her initial support of the bankruptcy bills, the presence of lobbyists on her fundraising team, and her support from the finance industry when she ran for Senate. “Every day you need someone ready to fight the system not embrace it.”
LMAO! Yeah, good strategy there, David. Tell the voters that no matter WHAT she says, don’t trust it. Because…ummm…Obama has the market cornered on blind faith.
Good morning! admin, there is so much syrupy goodness in this post, I damn near had to take notes!!!
First of all, John Kerry is one of the dumbest white people I’ve ever seen! Black Baptists and Methodists can barely get along, how in the hell would Barack Hussein Obama be able to “bridge the divide of religious extremism”? LMAO Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!
Then, I’d like to know how in the world was Obama going to school with somebody and they didn’t know his real first name? Schools don’t call you by your nickname when the roll is beinc called and such. Even if the name “Barack” was only mentioned on the first day of school and then he asked his teachers to call him “Barry”, his classmates would have heard it! I just don’t believe that. I taught at public schools and we didn’t call those kids by any damn nicknames. I don’t believe that he was attending a “prestigious private school” and they allowed him to forego use of his real first name for the duration. I just don’t believe that.
And, this part? I nearly burst my spleen from laughing!:
“On one occasion, Obama thought he’d gotten a bad break on the school basketball team because he was black. But Kakugawa recalls his father’s telling the teenager, “No, Barry, it’s not because you’re black. It’s because you missed two shots in a row.””
What a fugging azzhole!!! I’m telling you, this whole farce/fairytale is one for the record books! He did say he’d like to have Will Smith play him in a movie about his life story. Wouldn’t that be ironic? Will Smith played David Hampton in the film, “Six Degrees of Separation” too.
I can almost imagine Plouffe saying to the american people, “Don’t let Hillary Clinton confuse you with facts and common sense, America! Don’t let them boil the hope out of you!”
LOL
I know he isn’t the most popular person in the world, but Howard Stern just listened to unedited words by Pastor Wright that have been played as clips on the news and stopped it prematurely to say, “F uck Pastor Wright and f uck Barack Obama!” He has been steadfastly backing Hilldawg all this time. Awesome.
david axelord sounds like one of hitler’ henchman…
Vets4Hilldag, I told them here to show Stern some love! lol I don’t care for him that much myself, but he’s got a huge outreach.
is there a live feed for Hillary anywhere, I’m afraid cnn will switch her off in mid speech
@debbie… fox news has stream
Axlerod can not do anything about Hillary’s speech if Greenspan and Rubin agree to head the commission.
Howard refuses to buy into Barack’s hype although most of his staff are for BO.
You can show him that his support is appreciated at
sternshow@howardstern.com
Axlerod looks dumbfounded whenever he is on CNN with james carville.. he doesn’t speak much crooked fellaw…
Sugar Obama has IDENITY issues and he’s very insecure. So all he see is the racial divide.
But I saw Obama’s true face in a Washington D.C. photo link that was posted on an earlier thread, where Barry was dressed up in this Tux with all the other D.C. insiders happy as he can be.
I have no confidence in Barry.
I guess Howard is just a typical HRC fan…too cynical and hardened to march in the Barack Obama peace, love, and rainbows parade.
If only Bush would follow Hill’s advice, and call the commission. Boy, that would shut Axelrod up. Won’t happen though.
By the way, the only reason Hill agreed to the first bankruptcy bill was because it had a homestead provision. Lot’s of Dem’s voted for it, thinking protection for working class would be built in by the House but it would have the homestead, which is directed at wealthier individuals. Also, it never became law. The second Bankruptcy bill , she opposed, so I don’t know wht that article says “bills”.
Obama has not, never has, proposed the same plans as Hill in terms of the housing crisis. Plouffe is a liar.
sure enough, cut off by CNN.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9177.html
The second bankruptcy bill was really awful. It basically gave away the store to the banks. Which eventually came back to bite the banks in the end. They got the protection that they wanted but are now finding out that you can’t get blood from a stone. Unfortunately, it’s wiped out a lot of people too.
I never saw the first bankruptcy bill. I do know that Frank was very strongly against the second one or maybe both. No idea where Kennedy and Kerry stood. I should look that up.
Idunn- LOL you rock!
Sugar- I think Sirius has 7 million people listening to him.
Also Lynn Samuels on Sirius Left is actively aginst Obama. She thinks he is a Jacka ss.
lynnsamuels@hotmail.com
She is also kinda crazy but she is a fun listen.
jithendra Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:43 am
@debbie… fox news has stream
Thanks as I thought, cnn dropped her
Howard Stern backing is interesting, in that he is completely a free agent. An Independent’s Independent. He’s got an eye for talent. And for babes.
MerrimackValley Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:55 am
The second bankruptcy bill was really awful. It basically gave away the store to the banks. Which eventually came back to bite the banks in the end. They got the protection that they wanted but are now finding out that you can’t get blood from a stone. Unfortunately, it’s wiped out a lot of people too.
I never saw the first bankruptcy bill. I do know that Frank was very strongly against the second one or maybe both. No idea where Kennedy and Kerry stood. I should look that up.
Hillary was opposed to this bill. Bill had that heart issue(was it a heart attack?) the day of the vote. But Hill made a point of passionately advocating against this bill to reporters. She was at the hospital obviously, but she came out and said I strongly oppose this bill.
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/08/clinton-and-the-bankruptcy-law/
As first lady, Mrs. Clinton worked against the bill. She helped kill one version of it, then another version passed, which her husband vetoed. As a senator, in 2001, she voted for it, but it did not pass. When it came up again in 2005, she missed the vote because her husband was in the hospital, although she indicated she would have opposed it.
In the late 1990’s, as first lady, Mrs. Clinton became deeply involved in the issue, her first real foray into legislation since the collapse of her health-care effort in 1994. She sought a private tutorial on the subject, worked behind the scenes with members of Congress, wrote public newspaper columns and spoke out against it.
Her concern was that the bill would hurt women and children. The law then required that if a divorced man filed for bankruptcy, he had to pay off his alimony and child-support obligations first. The bill gave equal status to credit card companies and other lenders who were seeking to recoup money.
President Clinton pocket-vetoed the bill at the end of his term, after Mrs. Clinton had been elected to the Senate. Congress had left town and did not have the chance to try to override the veto.
The bill popped up again 2001, which was Mrs. Clinton’s first year in the Senate. She worked with Republicans on it and was one of 36 Democrats who helped it pass the Senate, saying it had been improved from when she opposed it. Still, this version was vigorously opposed by consumer groups and unions, and ultimately did not become law.
When the bill came up again in 2005, Mrs. Clinton missed the vote. She did vote against a procedural motion involving the bill and said that had she been present, she would have voted against the bill itself.
Explaining Senator Clinton’s support for the bill in 2001, Phil Singer, a campaign spokesman, said, “She helped forge a compromise in the 2001 bill intended to ensure that custodial parents got child custody payments.” She opposed the bill later, he said, because “unfortunately, that provision was stripped from the 2005 legislation.”
“although she indicated she would have opposed it.”
No, she stated clearly she opposed it.
He was for both Guiliani and Clinton and switched to completely Clinton. Fred, who checks the email, seems to be against Obama’s minister and Obama’s judgement on the matter.
I have to say that I am military and I am surrounded by people who absolutely hate HRC every day. They honestly believe that she killed Vince Foster (I made the gaff that BC didn’t kill Vince Foster and they said, “He didn’t kill her, Hillary did.”) and other more horrible things. All of these guys are sure that BO is a muslim, or anti-american. They aren’t all that sure about McCain either, but are willing to “hold their noses” to vote for him.
My point is that these guys will never vote for BO–ever. He is totally unelectable.
My liberal friends disagree and have used many of the same “message to the world” and “change” arguments against me. But the one thing I know is that I can alwasy come here and see you guys out there never giving up, always fighting for Hillary when everone else says she’s finished. I can’t tell you all how many times you all have picked my spirits.
THANK YOU!
For Clinton, It’s the Economy, Stupid
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is scheduled to give a speech on the economy this morning at the University of Pennsylvania — the kickoff to a week in which the New York Senator will spotlight the nation’s fiscal troubles and her allegedly unique ability to solve them.
It’s a sound strategy in a rust-belt state like Pennsylvania, which is set to hold its presidential primary on April 22. In a recent Quinnipiac University poll, that showed Clinton ahead of Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) 53 percent to 41 percent, roughly half of those tested (48 percent) cited the economy as the most important issue to them. The war in Iraq (23 percent) and health care (18 percent) lagged in importance in voters’ minds.
blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/03/fixcam_week_in_preview_its_the.html?hpid=topnews
I meant Stern
sternshow@howardstern.com
Pelosi tells Dems to keep eye on November
Published: March 24, 2008 at 10:56 AM
WASHINGTON, March 24 (UPI) — Keep your eye on the prize is the message House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is preaching about party in-fighting over the Democratic presidential nominee.
“We have to keep our eyes on the prize, which is the general election in November,” Pelosi said last week. “We are all very passionate about our politics but we have to be very dispassionate about how we approach winning.”
Analysts said Pelosi’s motivation is to ensure a fair process that doesn’t turn off an influx of party activists and helps Democrats increase their congressional majorities, The Mercury News, a San Jose, Calif., newspaper, reported Monday.
As the leading uncommitted superdelegate, Pelosi counseled against superdelegates overturning results of primary and caucus voters and criticized Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., for her comments that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., wasn’t qualified to be commander in chief.
“She has spoken out on the presidential race but she has also been cautious. She knows she has to stay neutral — for now,” Julian Zelizer, a historian at Princeton University, told The Mercury News.
If the Clinton-Obama fight continues to the convention, Pelosi knows “that would be the disaster of all disasters for the party,” Norman Ornstein, another analyst, said to the newspaper.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/03/24/pelosi_tells_dems_to_keep_eye_on_november/6993/
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I’m new at this but would someone please explain which party activists is Pelosi talking about….is it all or only the anti-war ones.
Ronald, since you’re such a fan of the band Cake, this ones for you:
Jesus Wrote A Blank Check
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF_GExM4-yY
Has Nancy Pelosi spoken to Kennedy and Kerry about the need for SDs to represent their voters?
As the leading uncommitted superdelegate, Pelosi counseled against superdelegates overturning results of primary and caucus voters and criticized Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., for her comments that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., wasn’t qualified to be commander in chief.
So she should be criticizing Richardson, Kerry and Kennedy for overturning results of primary and caucus voters, right?
this Detroit mayor scandal will hurt Obama. Mark my words.
vets4hilldawg, have you tpold them about all the generals,admirals, flag officers that have endorsed her?
Pelosi has been cautious? My ass. Further, there is no evidence the primary going to convention would be a disaster. God, she’s an idiot.
Amazing, how the rhetoric has changed from “popular vote” to “pledged delegates.” Changing the rule as the primary season progresses. Back in Feb., MoveOn.org had a petition circulating asking for signatures to prevent the popular vote from being overturned by SDs. The party line has switched to pledged delegates, because they know, Hillary cannot catch-up.
So she should be criticizing Richardson, Kerry and Kennedy for overturning results of primary and caucus voters, right?
Wait, she MEANT to say that Superdelegates should vote according only to what they believe is best for the party. No wait…they should vote the way of their constituents…no wait…they should just vote for whoever they think can heal the hole in their souls. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
am trying to buy desktop PC… any suggestions
I find it baffling, all MSM are reporting on the bad boy news of the Detroit mayor,
but Hillary speaks of a major issue that will affect EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN and they are mum…!!
sorry Hillary… your speech was just not sexy enough
is future belong to AMD processor or what
A very nice article:
Clinton: ‘A president who can restore confidence’
by Mark Silva
weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_a_president_who_can_re.html
i see one HP desktop PC deal for 299 USD but it has AMD processor and not intel..
So Pelosi is worried about turning off moveon and the netroots, but not rank and file Dems. Hmmmm.
MSM will not report Hillary speech because they know Barry will steal it when he comes back from vacation…so the less people who see Hillary on TV giving the speech the better for Barry to plagerize it.
msm wants to cover sex scandal…
mj- Every military person who is a democrat or supports a dem is suspect to them.
If Hilldawg is the nominee, she will need to win the moderates and independants over with better arguments on policy. Younger military people are more likely to go McCain, because of the war. People like me who have been there met locals and don’t want to see them harmed by a hasty pullout. Others can’t understand why they were there but have held onto their deployment as being one of the most important things in their life and think that the dems don’t appreciate the work they have done over there. In many cases they are right. I personally think that Hillary can make an argument to these people by making measured policy decisions on Iraq and bold initiatives on fighting Al-Qaida around the world. Unfortunately this is not an argument for the primary. BO holds an advantage there.
Anyone else think that it is BS that Barack Obama gave a speech and nothing else and he is being given credit for good judgement.
They should be giving him credit for being lucky. I mean he did nothing to stop the war. He voted for it every time it came up. Every soldier who went to Iraq did more than BO to stop the war and he is credited with good judgement.
It makes me sick.
am trying to buy desktop PC… any suggestions
Dell with Intel Core 2 Duo processor and Windows XP. Don’t get Vista. It would be better to wait until the fall as they have better processors (faster and use less electricity) coming.
Sugar, glad to hear you enjoyed the post. There is a lot in it. We missed the Will Smith connection.
Aw crap- got stuck in the spam filter. Again then…from AmericaBlog where they have definitely smoked too much Hopium….(*shaking head in utter disgust*)
I just received the following email:
My brother has Down syndrome. He’s heavily caught up in the current political race. We are both Philadelphia natives. I’d like to share with you his very brief but very moving endorsement of Barack Obama. I believe this is newsworthy because my brother, Dan is symbolic. His judgement of character is just as valuable as the most famous or respected individuals currently receiving press for endorsing a candidate. Please allow his honest voice to be heard. Find out more about my older brother’s impact on the world around him and the documentary we’re making together at (dandrinker.com.)
View Dan’s Endorsement of Senator Obama HERE
Thank you for your time,
Will Drinker
Here is the video – the best part is the last 20 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCKP-FQ3KcE
BTW- this guy has Down’s…he’s not competent to vote in any state.
@MerrimackValley – thanks for your suggestion
Leave Pelosi a message:
District Office – 450 Golden Gate Ave. – 14th Floor – San Francisco, CA 94102 – (415) 556-4862
Washington, D.C. Office – 235 Cannon HOB – Washington, DC 20515 – (202) 225-4965
I personally think that Hillary can make an argument to these people by making measured policy decisions on Iraq and bold initiatives on fighting Al-Qaida around the world. Unfortunately this is not an argument for the primary. BO holds an advantage there.
That’s what Hillary has done. I dont see how BO holds an advantage there.
LEAVE HER A MESSAGE.. TELL HER TO SHUT UP AND STOP TAKING SIDES
District Office – 450 Golden Gate Ave. – 14th Floor – San Francisco, CA 94102 – (415) 556-4862
Washington, D.C. Office – 235 Cannon HOB – Washington, DC 20515 – (202) 225-4965
People with Down’s can vote.
Idunn-
I really do love you! :blush
I like the other video better but I never get tired of my hearing Carl Sagan say billyons and billyons.
test
:blush:
Pennsylvanians Don’t Shun Dynasties
Monday, March 24, 2008 – FreeMarketNews.com
If there were a manual to winning statewide elections in Pennsylvania, it would include at least two observations: First, dynasty is not a dirty word. And second, expect to run at least one or two times before voters reward you. They like their politicians to feel as familiar as their morning cup of coffee. In the presidential primary campaign, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton — the political equivalent of Maxwell House after years of appearing with her husband in the state — is benefiting not just from the demographics of Pennsylvania, but from its unique amber-preserved culture. -Politico
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=55931
You know, that video is just so wrong on so many levels. First and foremost using a Down kid to elicit sympathy is just in poor taste. Second, it’s misleading since the kid can’t legally vote. Third, it belies how
bots think about the world- in all “let’s have a coke and a smile and teach the world to sing” bullshit.
It’s the latter that bugs me the most bc it’s exactly why the GOP kicks our ass every 4 yrs. Because these schmucks have their heads in the friggin’ clouds.
Im useless
: blush :
sigh
# JAS Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Rasmussen Poll
March 24th 2008
Hillary 44
Obama 45
Here’s today’s RAS;
Monday, March 24, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. For the past week-and-a-half, Obama’s support has been between 44% and 47% every day. Clinton’s support has ranged from 42% to 46% (see recent daily results). In discussing the Pennsylvania Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.
mj- they cannot. They are not competent to contract, marry, or have control over their own estates. That’s why we do adult guardianships. Which reminds me I need to get back to work.
mj- I agree and that’s what attracted me to her in the first place. The issue is that BO’s Iraq platform is more extreme and is clearly playing to the latte liberals that also bought his speech on race. It is funny to me that when Powers blows his cover overseas, no one seems to notice. Here is a guy that can’t get his message straight no matter what he does. He is a total soup sandwich.
PLEASE, make phone calls if you can. DONATE if you can.
Contact the media about the biased coverage.
We need to push the media that there are 10 states yet to go and NEITHER one has the delegate count and won’t have it. … there is a long time till June
MJ, here’s a litmus test on competency: if you have sex are you going to be charged with rape?
The answer is: yes.
Why? Because under the law someone who is under a disability whether natural or unnatural (i.e. blotto beyond repair), they cannot fully and knowingly consent to an act.
Idunn-
I really do love you! :blush
Really? Because I was informed on another website that ALL white people hate me because of the color of me skin. Who knew, eh?
PLEASE, make phone calls if you can. DONATE if you can.
Already donated, and will be working on phone banking after dinner. Or before dinner, if hubby stays late at work and works on making us a youtube video.
There are degrees of Downs.
Did you all see the Page this morning?:
Obama Camp: “Desperate” Clinton “Will Not Be Able to Win. . .By Any Conventional Measure”
“Desperate” Obama camp is projecting.
I read RW this AM about Meeks. Quick question since I’m just a typical white person:
Isn’t the term house n****** a derogatory term in the AA community? Sorta like Uncle Tom? And if so, how exactly is it a term of endearment???
“In discussing the Pennsylvania Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.”
I (heart) Ed Rendell. He’s a fighter like Hillary.
You know, that video is just so wrong on so many levels. First and foremost using a Down kid to elicit sympathy is just in poor taste. Second, it’s misleading since the kid can’t legally vote. Third, it belies how
bots think about the world- in all “let’s have a coke and a smile and teach the world to sing” bullshit.
I was at a restaurant several years ago and Dean came in and shook hands with those of us seated at tables. At the end of the walk, it was the same thing – there was either a Down’s Syndrome or Autistic teenager that he hugged and sat down with to talk with his family. It does make for a very cute photo-op. The real job of president is in taking care of the whole country and dealing with foreign nations so the photo-op may humanize the candidate but we should focus on the candidate that will solve real problems.
Idunn, I feel like Ronald is usurping my blushing privileges here.
Plural, I love Rendell, too. I’d want that guy in my corner. And I’d certainly never want to piss him off. He eviscerated everyone else yesterday with both hands tied behind his back from what I heard.
plural Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 11:45 am
“In discussing the Pennsylvania Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.”
I (heart) Ed Rendell. He’s a fighter like Hillary.
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Yeah baby!! This is the type of surrogates Hillary need. Not a party apologist but a fighter to let those DUMB FOLKS understand we’re not quiting so that you can prop that BOZO up to LOSE to the REPUGS.
http://www.tnr.com/shareit/soundoff/post.html?id=44aed783-8357-4491-8589-ee15290e6e96
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please post here. There are several pro-hillary comments coming from unlikely allies
This piece is interesting and talks about the Democrat’s dilemma.
You don’t have to register.
Ronald, quick tips for this forum…cut and paste….
codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
tiburones, which article is thats supposed to link to? It only links to a comments box, and much of the front page is negative on HRC.
Note: the more they count her out .. the more people rally.
Give them hell Hillary.
Wow, Pa will warm your hearts .. they don’t want her to give it up.
Thx OkieAtty.
is! its an idea! I thought it was something… well, kinda dirty. 
I love you too! and now I know what
Ronald Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 10:52 am
sure enough, cut off by CNN
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Ronald: how much of it did they cover and how did they characterize it? If they buried it this needs to be pursued in some manner. The issue is too important for it to be censored by a major network. The answer may be to send a letter to Lou Dobbs who is undoubtedly focused on the issue if not the candidate. At least this would hoist cnn by their own petard.
# Ronald Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Thx OkieAtty.
is! its an idea! I thought it was something… well, kinda dirty. 
I love you too! and now I know what
I never thought of that as dirty until just now. Thank you!
Three Myths About the Democratic Race
blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/03/24/152617
Okay, back to work. You guys have fun and email me if we need to get something out.
Ok, I’ve read McPeak was expressing concern about the war and a long term occupation. So that’s a non-story.
CNN doesn’t want you to know she’s proposing substantive solutions to real problems.
plural, they didn’t cover the speech at all?
wbboei-
she had just started. She was clearly introducing the issue but had not presented any of her solutions or proposals.
Ronald said above at 10:52 that CNN cut off the streaming.
Can I sue the DNC for harrassment? Seriously, no matter how many times I tell them to fuck off, that they aren’t getting a dime from me, they just keep sending me spams for cash.
Yeah admin, I’m sure if Obama were pointed to the irony of him suggesting Will Smith in light of your post today, he might not have made the suggestion that Smith play him. lol What an idiot.
You would think that Obama’s hitmen would want the media to turn away from the Wright garbage and towards Hillary.
Sigh…nobody ever said they had brains over there. I guess this just proves it!
Hillary will get her message out in spite of Obama’s circus of media thugs!
Bill Clinton streaming live on CNN now.
Talking about the economy and “green jobs.”
Idunn, it will have to be a class action suit. They do the same to me.
Where is Bill?
South Bend, IN.
Now talking about the electoral college and the importance of OH, FL, and AR.
What is Dyngus Day?
Sounds…ummm…kinky.
Who knew? Easter Monday, acc. Wikipedia.
Big deal in South Bend, among other places.
Idunn, it will have to be a class action suit. They do the same to me.
Any chance that if I tell them I switched my party affiliation to Republican, they might give up?
does this mean BO will lose a SD the way we did with Spitzer?
DETROIT (AP) – Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, a one-time rising star and Detroit’s youngest elected leader, was charged Monday with perjury and other counts after sexually explicit text messages contradicted his sworn denials of an affair with a top aide.
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy also charged the popular yet polarizing 37-year-old mayor with obstruction of justice and misconduct in office.
Who knew? Easter Monday, acc. Wikipedia.
Hmmm, apparently “dyngus day” means “wet monday”.
That’s hot.
Is Kilpatrick an sd?
here is a message board all of you can invade.
http://www.chimpsternation.com/forum?&c=showthread&ThreadID=2279&page=1#10439
and remember to visit my group’s website.
http://www.charlotte4hillary.com
Watch what they do, not what they say
On the one hand, the Obama campaign is saying that they have won this nomination that there is no way Hillary can win. This conveniently ignores the fact that neither of them can win the nomination without the super delegates, his lead is based on anti-Democratic caucus wins in red states, and he wanst to dis-enfranchise MI and FL.
On the other hand, Obama and his campaign are attacking Hillary every day personally and negatively. They are desperately trying to change the subject by deliberately misinterpreting President Clinton’s innocuous remarks. They are trying to tear down Hillary personally. None of which is working politically.
Inspite of what they say, are they behaving like a campiagn that is on the ascendancy, a campaign that is winning on ths issues?
No, their behavior tells us that they are afraid, they are afraid of the impact of JWright, they are afraid of the effect on SDs, they are afraid of their falling poll numbers, and they are afraid of losing this nomination.
And, they should be afraid. The political ground has shifted under Obama. The Wright issue isn’t going away and a lot of people are turned off by this issue, are wondering who this guy really is, and are turning away from him.
Obama is off his game. His con-campaign of hope and change has been replaced by negative personal attacks against Clintons. This is backfiring on him as this clearly shows the country that he is a typical Chicago politician .
Hillary is out there talking about the issues that matter to people. Obama is talking about Wright and trying to tear down Hillary personally.
Who is behaving like a winner?
New aol straw poll for this week. Pl. vote
news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/24/aol-straw-poll-march-24-31/?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Ooooo…more on Dingus Day:
In Poland, traditionally, early in the morning boys awake girls by pouring a bucket of water on their head and strike them about the legs with long thin twigs or switches made from willow, birch or decorated tree branches
Sounds like fun, where do I sign up?
Clinton’s people are using electoral college math to persuade superdelegates. Here is an excellent blog on that topic. If you are writing to superdelegates you may want to use this info.
anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/03/fun-with-electoral-college.html
Thanks pm. I just voted.
If I were a superdelegate I’d be a little po’d at Obama’s arrogance. His whole campaign is imploding, they are getting angrier and acting like a bunch of losers and he’s over frolicking in the water. Wow, real impression of the person who want to get the country out of trouble. Hillary is the one who is working..
ps, this is not going unnoticed
For right now, I’m content to simple phone bank and donate. I don’t feel the need to help Barry dig his grave…he’s doing a slendid job of that all by his lonesome.
Totally off topic, but DOT, are you getting snow in your part of TN?
TM had this link – maybe there should be a whole site for Kool-Aid Rehab:
To Hillary supporters an apology from an Obama voter mydd.com/story/2008/3/23/231221/578
by the Walrus, Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:12:21 PM EST
I am so sorry. You were right and i was wrong.
I voted for Obama in missouri not out of dislike for Hillary. I was torn and i thought we had 2 good candidates.
What tipped me to Obama was Bill Clinton’s headlines in SC during their primary. it reminded me of the dynasty aspect to HRC. bush-clinton-bush-clinton.
I feel tricked. I feel i’ve helped put the party and the country at risk, and i’m sorry.
i did make a small donation to Hillary yesterday and will continue to try and help.
PS. i like Bill as well, but i really think he needs to stay in the background.
I feel bad for Walrus. Sincerely. Like I have said all along, when the people who bought the hopium realize it’s a scam, they are going to feel betrayed and hurt.
That just makes me despise Bambi all the more. Fucker.
Dean dropped out 6 weeks after the “Dean scream”……..6 weeks for that to fester along with a big loss in WI. We have to keep the heat up……….keeping Wright mess in the news and on the blogs and a big PA loss will do BO in.
Idunn, barn covered this morning .. just flurries, no accumulation.
I can’t believe that the media is giving this scandal coverage but failed to televise Hillary’s speech. This is sicko
Mcain, now has 9 point lead over obama and 7 point lead over hillary… huh
I guess a voter in Missouri was hoodwinked, indeed bamboozled.
Jit,
What poll?
ramussen nationa wide poll
Mccain is leading in North Carolina.. i think repubs will win the GE if obama in nominee…
Jith, that isn’t great if Hill is also losing to him.
Ok Im not much of a view fan but man they all are on obamas side! The only one of course is hasselback and she makes strong points, regardless of the fact that usually I think she is a loud mouth republican. Why does it seem that most people think that just republicans are upset with this racial war! Im a democrat and find it amazing that people like the view can justify obamas actions! Who is paying these people! Watch the video, it’s pretty funny!
the following are safely republica states in GE
Alabama (9),
Alaska (3),
Arizona (10),
Georgia (15),
Idaho (4),
Indiana (11),
Kansas (6),
Kentucky (8),
Louisiana (9),
Mississippi (6),
Montana (3),
Nebraska (5),
North Dakota (3),
Oklahoma (7),
South Carolina (8),
South Dakota (3),
Tennessee (11),
Texas (34),
Utah (5),
West Virginia (5)
Wyoming (3).
Jit,
If BO is the nominee….the GOP will win by 45-49 states. It will be McGovern in 1972 all over again. Losing by 49 states to Nixon. General electorate tends toward the conservative. That’s why it takes a centrist dem to win. That’s why Bill Clinton is only dem to win two terms in 70 years. General electorate will not let BO and his pastor near the white house.
Leans Republican: Florida (27), Virginia (13).
Likely Republican: Arkansas (6) and North Carolina (15).
I’m not subscribed to my dd, but I wish someone would invite Walrus to visit us over here. We could definitely find work for him/her to do to help correct her mistake.
Or HIS mistake.
Toss-Up: Colorado (9), Michigan (17), Missouri (11), Nevada (5), and Ohio (20).
i think PA is also for tossup, if obama is nomineee
from a poster on TM – I love this first part: article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjBjODFmNmMxZWU2ZGE5YjBhMjZlYmQ2MmM2MzNiZTc=
The Obama Crash and Burn
If he acts as if the Wright controversy is behind him, it’s over for Obama.
By Victor Davis Hanson
The latest polls reflecting Obama’s near-collapse should serve as a morality tale of John Edwards’s two Americas — the political obtuseness of the intellectual elite juxtaposed to the common sense of the working classes.
For some bizarre reason, Obama aimed his speech at winning praise from National Public Radio, the New York Times, and Harvard, and solidifying an already 90-percent solid African-American base — while apparently insulting the intelligence of everyone else.
Whoopie voted for Hill, and one woman on there, cant remember her name, always seemed on Hill’s side to me.
Why does it seem that most people think that just republicans are upset with this racial war!
LOL…you don’t think “war” is alittle over the top?
If the Dems have the sense to nominate Hillary, she will win AR.
Arkansas will go from “leans red” to a blue state if Hillary is the nominee. Also, in WV, recent polls show Hill with a 72% favorable rating for Hill there, so I think we can assume that that state is probably “leans blue” with the Hillary nomination.
If Hillary is the nominee..WV will go Democratic .. Kentucky could also be in play
Bambi is the weakest link for the Dems in the GE…he doesn’t have the staying power.
If Pelosi and Dean are serious about this election they’d be backing Hillary. Do they want the white house back or not. I’ really am beginning to think they want it to remain in repub control
if hillary can win PA by 20 points.. that is big blow to obama campaign…
Okay folks…I’m gonna try to do alittle phone banking for the next hour.
Enjoy your afternoon.
>>Bambi is the weakest link for the Dems in the GE…he doesn’t have the staying power.
bambi’ AA support is not useful… because they are minority in numbers in all southern states when it comes to GE… the states that he won with margin in primary like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississipi, Georgia will all be red states in GE… i hope super delegates atleast know that which even i am aware of..
There is no racial war. That’s just buying into BO propaganda.
in all probability mccain will carry PA, OH and NJ in GE when obama is nominee
They continue to underestimate Hillary. How many times have they danced on her grave so far.
It’s a long time till June and she ain’t going nowhere but up, bambi on the other hand is going to be under more intense scrunity and the waves are gonna keep lapping at his tide.
Ohio .. defintely McCain. Hillary could make it very competetive. The party will be sorely mistaken if they think that Obama will automatically pick up Hillary’s support. They are a little nutty..which fits right in with Dean scream and Pelosi stupidity
i find this video edifying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Op5or_vkcc
have you observed one thing… when wright stuff came into media…
CNN & CBS released two polls in hurry .. CNN showing obama with 8 points lead and CBS showing him in lead for couple of days.. they just want to skew the polls in bambi’ favor… bastzrds
now, i don’t find any polls from neither CBS nor CNN… they just want skew the average of polls in bambi’ favor BS… where is CBS now with the polls…
wow awesome ad on john mccain
rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
oneman has the experience
one man hs the courage
one man has our trust
and young john mccain walks by saluting..
super AD… wow john “the patriot” mccain…
Isn’t the term house n****** a derogatory term in the AA community? Sorta like Uncle Tom? And if so, how exactly is it a term of endearment???
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OkieATTNY: This is not a term of endearment. It is a perjorative in the AA community and IMO worse than Uncle Tom because it sounds much harsher once utered.
jith, are you for Hill or McCain?
OKIEATTNY::
leave comments here:
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http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=44aed783-8357-4491-8589-ee15290e6e96
and
nymag.com/news/intelligencer/45317/
live HRC on CNN
jithendra, you don’t want to be praising McCain here.
TPS Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
jithendra, you don’t want to be praising McCain here.
No shit. And, that ad isnt good for Hill. BO is trying to drag her down with him.
Gallup Poll
March 24th
Hillary 46
Obama 47
That sucks, I don’t get it.
That sucks, I don’t get it.
please remember that gallup can call any “area” they want. These polls can be manipulated.
Did you all see this – gawd, could someone other than Jake Tapper pick this up – shows how childish the BO camp is – a bunch of frat boys blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-iowa-co-c.html:
Key Obama Iowa Adviser Invokes ‘Monica’s Blue Dress’ When Assailing Bill Clinton’s ‘Patriotism’ Comments
March 24, 2008 11:07 AM
Gordon Fischer, the former director of the Iowa Democratic Party and a senior adviser for Sen. Barack Obama’s efforts in the Hawkeye State, is still very much involved in making sure Obama gets delegates as the caucus process continues.
He’s also quite fired up about former President Bill Clinton’s comments in front of a North Carolina VFW Hall, which the Obama campaign took to be an impugning of Obama’s patriotism.
In his blog, Fischer writes:
“B. Clinton questions Obama’s patriotism. In repsonse (sic), an Obama aide compared B. Clinton to Joe McCarthy. This is patently unfair. To McCarthy.
“When Joe McCarthy questioned others’ patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP. Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping — instead he is hurting — his own party. B. Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica’s blue dress.”
That’s not quite the kind of comment that keeps with Obama’s pledge to focus on policy differences instead of personal attacks, I think it’s safe to say.
- jpt
mj, Gallup had him ahead by 3 on Saturday. It has narrowed. It is going to get worse, a lot worse, for him. They are scrambling.
I can wait to see what Hanity will be saying tonight!
Obama’s church is a product of the ‘black liberation theology movement’
11:46 AM Mon, Mar 24, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
Bruce Tomaso E-mail News tips
For the time being, I’ve read just about all the stories about Jeremiah Wright that I care to, and I’ll bet most of you have, too.
This one, though, has something to add to the conversation.
Margaret Talev of the Washington Bureau of McClatchy Newspapers provides some historical context for the doctrines — political and theological — espoused by the recently retired pastor at Barack Obama’s church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Talev writes that “some of the more provocative doctrines” at the core of Wright’s message — Jesus is black, “Particularly influential,” she writes, “was Cone’s seminal 1969 book, ‘Black Theology & Black Power.’ ”
http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/03/obamas-church-is-a-product-of.html
I don’t put much stock into national polls at this point, good or bad. How could you get an accurate sample when so many people have already voted? The only thing that matters now is the 10 remaining primaries.
Great post, admin. What’s stunning to me about the Wright scandal is that Obama has been openly lying about what he knew about Wright’s beliefs, and instead of investigating, Big Media has been swooning about Obama’s “wonderful” speeches.
These people are effing nuts. Since when does Bill Clinton have to praise his wifes opponent every time he opens his mouth? And, how sexist. What a dirty attack. Bill’s affair has nothing to do with Hillary. Seriously, what is going on in Iowa? How can they support this stuff?
Hey Berkeley – I feel the same way – and just reposting from article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjBjODFmNmMxZWU2ZGE5YjBhMjZlYmQ2MmM2MzNiZTc=
“For some bizarre reason, Obama aimed his speech at winning praise from National Public Radio, the New York Times, and Harvard, and solidifying an already 90-percent solid African-American base — while apparently insulting the intelligence of everyone else.”
Berkeley Vox Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Great post, admin. What’s stunning to me about the Wright scandal is that Obama has been openly lying about what he knew about Wright’s beliefs, and instead of investigating, Big Media has been swooning about Obama’s “wonderful” speeches.
Exactly. Forgetting about Wright for a moment, BO lied again and again. Isn’t that a story in and of itself?
ronald,
It’s : oops :
DID WRIGHT GROW UP IN POVERTY AND OPPRESSION AS SUGGESTED BY OBAMA?
Wright’s High School [Stanley Kurtz]
Martin Peretz quotes from an interesting account of Wright’s high school. Key quote:
…Rev. Wright had a comfortable upper-middle class upbringing. It was hardly the scene of poverty and indignity suggested by Senator Obama….
03/24 01:15 PM
blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2008/03/24/thoughts-on-wright.aspx
dont try to embarass me further basil…. Idunn has the bat ready!
religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/03/obamas-church-is-a-product-of.html
Talev writes that “some of the more provocative doctrines” at the core of Wright’s message — Jesus is black, Marxism can aid in a true understanding of the Gospels, the white church in America is the Antichrist — grew out of the writings of James Cone, the founder of the modern black liberation theology movement. “Particularly influential,” she writes, “was Cone’s seminal 1969 book, ‘Black Theology & Black Power.
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Obama is toasted!!! Obama won’t be able to win the G.E. because as more and more people start vetting him and askiing questions about his church and belief system.
They are not going to vote for a MARXIST Leaning President and Obama is an smart man but to belong to Trinity for 20 and not know what his church beliefs are…is truly disengenuous and I have deep doubt on this man character.
Voting for Obama would be like voting for the actor Sean Penn. At least with Sean Penn you know what you’re getting but that lying Obama has not been honest with the voters but his church affliation speak LOUDLY about the choices Obama would make as President.
Jit: Silence is not an option.
Yesterday you refused to answer the same question?
Are you a McCain lurker here?
Are We Lynchers and Crucifiers? [Victor Davis Hanson]
Rev. Moss, the new pastor at Sen. Obama’s Trinity Church, likens the media storm over Jeremiah Wright’s racist and anti-American remarks to a lynching and crucifixion; the right Reverend Wright takes the role of the Holy Man that was figuratively put on the cross by the contemporary American Romans, who in Wright’s previous formulation were simply the ancient counterparts of modern-day “whites.”
corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWIyODQ2ZDkyOGY1MDA2NDY3NmJiMDZmMjUzNDljODI=
mp- more likely just a little clueless…
having lurkers is par for the course. I would let admin deal with it if needed.
well i have been lurking and also trying to post to no avail, i doubt this post will even go through
but i sure would like to join you in supporting hillary clinton for president!!
speaking of dumb white people..
jokes.comedycentral.com/random_joke.aspx?joke_id=9967
Who cares? I don’t hate McCain…don’t agree with him politically on most things, but I don’t hate the man. He is a patriot. Good on him, I say.
Inninla,
“……the political obtuseness of the intellectual elite juxtaposed to the common sense of the working classes.”
Know what I find especially ironic? Bo and company are pouting about how misunderstood the AA church is and how Americans don’t understand the ‘black’ experience and yet it’s obvious that Bo has NO clue as to the real “white” experience, except, of course, for the 1/10 of 1 % who are filthy rich or very well off financially. The other 99% of the country is alien territory to him.
>>Jit: Silence is not an option.
i just now came back from McD…
While visiting England, George Bush is invited to tea with the Queen. He asks her what her leadership philosophy is. She says that it is to surround herself with intelligent people.
Bush asks how she knows if they’re intelligent.
“I do so by asking them the right questions,” says the Queen. “Allow me to demonstrate.”
Bush watches as the Queen phones Tony Blair and says, “Mr. Prime Minister, please answer this question: your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or sister. Who is it?”
Tony Blair responds, “It’s me, ma’am.”
“Correct. Thank you and good-bye, sir,” says the Queen. She hangs up and says, “Did you get that, Mr. Bush?”
Bush nods: “Yes ma’am. Thanks a lot. I’ll definitely be using that!”
Bush, upon returning to Washington, decides he’d better put the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to the test. Bush summons Jesse Helms to the White House and says, “Senator Helms, I wonder if you can answer a question for me.”
“Why, of course, sir. What’s on your mind?”
Bush poses the question: “Uhh, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”
Helms hems and haws and finally asks, “Can I think about it and get back to you?”
Bush agrees, and Helms leaves. He immediately calls a meeting of other senior Republican senators, and they puzzle over the question for several hours, but nobody can come up with an answer. Finally, in desperation, Helms calls Colin Powell at the State Department and explains his problem.
“Now lookee here, son, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”
Powell answers immediately, “It’s me, of course.”
Much relieved, Helms rushes back to the White House, finds George Bush, and exclaims, “I know the answer, sir! I know who it is! It’s Colin Powell!”
And Bush replies in disgust, “Wrong, you dumb sh*t, it’s Tony Blair!”
chicken burger with french fries & coke….
i support hillary… but i support mccain if obama is nomineee.
Awwwwwww. Ronald,
I was just trying to help! For real.
I was so excited when idunn and Okie shared the smiley codes with us.
@mj… the gall up y’day had bambi up by 3 points.. today it is only 1 point.. so something is happening against bambi
Exactly, Carbynew. Obama would get creamed in the general. It wouldn’t even be close. You can’t idolize a guy like Wright for 20 years, attend his church, name your book/campaign theme after his sermon, appoint him as a spiritual advisor, have him do your wedding, have him baptize your daughters, and then say, “oh, hey, I had no idea he was a Marxist” without appearing utterly insane.
Bill Richardson’s Beard Faces The Nation
CHIN-SCRATCHER Richardson If there’s one thing political pundits love, it’s reducing politicians to one-dimensional figures (see Hillary Clinton: woman, Barack Obama: black, and now, Bill Richardson: beard). With his Judas-like endorsement of Obama, Richardson and his cheek-coat have been thrust into the media spotlight this week, and not since Rutherford B. Hayes’ scraggly chin mane has facial hair sent the fourth estate scurrying quite so excitedly. Just look at what they’re saying:
•”It’s time to go back to the campaign, Bill, I think, and take that off.”
Candy Crowley, CNN, March 23, 2008
•”Bill Richardson got 2 percent in Iowa, 5 percent in New Hampshire and, you know, that was before the beard.”
Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, March 22, 2008
•And maybe [Richardson's endorsement] will help [Obama] make inroads among the guys- with- beards vote.”
John King, CNN, March 21, 2008
•”Mr. Richardson was still sporting a beard, which he grew during what he called a period of decompression after abandoning his presidential bid two months ago.”
Jeff Zelany, New York Times, March 21, 2008
•”Looking more and more dignified with each passing day.”
John Roberts, CNN, February 27, 2008
•”Nice beard, by the way.”
Wolf Blitzer, CNN, February 26, 2008
•”With facial hair, Bill Richardson looks a bit like a Klingon from the original Star Trek series.”
Matthew Yglesias, The Atlantic, February 5, 2008
•”He has a beard and is deeply, deeply tanned. He looks like a Bond villain.”
Mother Jones, February 5, 2008
•”The latest guy to boycott the shave: New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson”
Roll Call, February 4, 2007
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/richardsons-beard-faces-the-nation.php
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This tells me Bill Richardson didn’t help Obama at all and Carville’s Judas label resonated.
One more try. Is this posting?
Jith, we don’t know that yet because there is no statistically significant meaning.
djia, hi!
Idunn, read the ad. It goes after Hillary perhaps more than BO. Notice the emphasis on “man”. On “experience”.
There is a danger here of BO trying to pull Hill down with him.
I was so excited when idunn and Okie shared the smiley codes with us.
You really should try to get out more.
Idunn, read the ad.
No, I’m not reading some retarded McCain ad. Thanks anyway.
basil9-
you are forgetting that he has NO clue about the real Black experience either. Anyone who has been to Hawaii knows it is the most multi-racial and tolerant place in America. As for the Black experience, he lied about the drugs in his book and went to the church so people would seem him as Black enough.
fake fake fake.
ps I love the smilies too!
@mj… the ad will be more effective when runs against bambi… the ad won’t be effective against hillary.. mccain will have to come up with something different against hillary like economy, helathcare etc…
and not since Rutherford B. Hayes’ scraggly chin mane has facial hair sent the fourth estate scurrying quite so excitedly.
That sucks. I could only think of one President with a beard, and that was Lincoln. Now I just feel like a retard.
jithendra Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
i support hillary… but i support mccain if obama is nomineee.
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Ok…I also will be supporting McCain if BO is the nominee!
AP Story, as posted on front page of CNN.com. Wow, so now Jeremiah Wright is supposed to be Jesus? Would Jesus scream “God Damn America!” and yell that Hillary Clinton had never been “called a n***er”?
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OBAMA CHURCH COMPLAINS OF ‘CRUCIFIXION’
CHICAGO (AP) — The new pastor of Barack Obama’s Chicago church said during Easter Sunday services that recent national scrutiny of the church is a test that will only make the congregation stronger.
“Any time you go through a crucifixion experience … eventually they have to lift you up,” said the Rev. Otis Moss III, who did not shy away from the controversy surrounding his predecessor at Trinity United Church of Christ, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.
Wright retired from Trinity’s pulpit last month but retains the title of senior pastor. Video from some of his more inflammatory sermons has surfaced online and on television in recent weeks.
Moss said Sunday that Wright’s critics and the news media “are just lifting us up to give us the opportunity to speak love to this situation.”
Obama, a Democratic presidential candidate, has responded to the flap by condemning Wright’s statements but expressing admiration and support for the pastor who officiated at his wedding, baptized his two daughters and inspired the title of his best-selling book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
In a speech last week that took the country’s racial divide head-on, Obama — the son of a white woman from Kansas and a Kenyan father — said black anger persists over injustice in America, and whites shouldn’t be surprised about the way it’s expressed in sermons.
“The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning,” Obama said.
Obama did not attend the Easter Sunday service.
Ronald,
“you are forgetting that he has NO clue about the real Black experience either.”
Shit, forgot about Garfield too.
Yahoo headline: “Some Arabs fear McCain would continue Bush foreign policy”
Duh! You think?!
What part of it’s “Fine” To Keep Troops in Iraq for “A Hundred Years” still leaves doubt?
Following up on the fact that Obama didn’t attend church yesterday: does this mean he’s rejected the church? Or does this mean he doesn’t celebrate Easter?
Blind Faith
The statements of clergymen like Jeremiah Wright aren’t controversial and incendiary; they’re wicked and stupid.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, March 24, 2008, at 12:09 PM ET
You often hear it said, of some political or other opportunist, that he would sell his own grandmother if it would suit his interests. But you seldom, if ever, see this notorious transaction actually being performed, which is why I am slightly surprised that Obama got away with it so easily. (Yet why do I say I am surprised? He still gets away with absolutely everything.)
Looking for a moral equivalent to a professional demagogue who thinks that AIDS and drugs are the result of a conspiracy by the white man, Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu. It would be interesting to know whether her charismatic grandson made her aware that he was about to touch her with his grace and make her famous in this way. By sheer good fortune, she, too, could be a part of it all and serve her turn in the great enhancement.
http://www.slate.com/id/2187277/
“Any time you go through a crucifixion experience … eventually they have to lift you up,”
Sounds like a pretty shitty trade off, if you ask me.
Please….thank god America doe snot choose a President for 100ys…
Do not use that scare tactic!!!!
McCain at most can only keep them for a few more yrs… if BO is the nominee!
What part of it’s “Fine” To Keep Troops in Iraq for “A Hundred Years” still leaves doubt?
YOU don’t know…maybe he means girl scout troops. Ever think of that? Huh? What’s so wrong with seeling delicious cookies for 100 years?
seeling=selling
I want a damned edit button, Admin!!
>>Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu.
ohhh, really is his grandma alive now…
why doesn’t he never mention of his grand ma prior to wright.. he could have mentioned that his grandma ia in hawai etc… hmmm
Edit Button!!!
I do as well….and I also need a new PC/Laptop…
My old software is giving mucho problemo!
mp, a President leaves a legacy beyond his 4/8 years in office. There are consequences to his actions and his policies that could affect the lives of generations after.
If you need further proof, I offer you President Bush, whose term expires Jan/2009, but whose policies we will live with long after he’s back at Crawford; and long after his brushes have been cleared for the millionth time.
It’s really not a scare tactic to point out that President McCain is a Neoconservative.
It’s things you might want to consider before saying definitively that you’ll vote for McCain over Obama.
Now he will trade his grandmother for everything he can!
I tell ya!….we are going to hear more from this “typical white person”….
While Obama drowns in his self-made Wright/Moss/Meeks scandal, Hillary is focusing on the issues that matter to Americans: fixing the economy… from Washington Post today:
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IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is scheduled to give a speech on the economy this morning at the University of Pennsylvania — the kickoff to a week in which the New York Senator will spotlight the nation’s fiscal troubles and her allegedly unique ability to solve them.
It’s a sound strategy in a rust-belt state like Pennsylvania, which is set to hold its presidential primary on April 22. In a recent Quinnipiac University poll, that showed Clinton ahead of Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) 53 percent to 41 percent, roughly half of those tested (48 percent) cited the economy as the most important issue to them. The war in Iraq (23 percent) and health care (18 percent) lagged in importance in voters’ minds.
A look back at Clinton’s major triumphs in this campaign makes it clear that nearly every win was based on scoring a significant victory over Obama among voters calling the economy the most pressing issue.
In Ohio, nearly six in ten voters in the Democratic primary said the economy was the number one issue facing the country, and that group went for Clinton 55 percent to 43 percent, according to exit polling.
The same held true for Clinton victories in Arizona, where 49 percent of the electorate called economy the most important issue; he won that bloc by 16 points. In California 46 percent named the economy as the top issue. The Golden State went for Clinton 55 percent to 39 percent. (Former North Carolina senator John Edwards took six percent in Arizona and four percent in California.)
The lone exception to Clinton’s “it’s the economy stupid” dominance was Texas, where half of all Democratic voters said the economy was the most critical issues facing the country but Clinton and Obama split those folks right down the middle — 50 percent to 50 percent. Clinton’s vast margins among Latinos allowed her to win the Lone Star state’s primary, although Obama’s organizational prowess carried him to a win the caucuses that followed.
Berkeley Vox Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Following up on the fact that Obama didn’t attend church yesterday: does this mean he’s rejected the church? Or does this mean he doesn’t celebrate Easter?
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It means Obama knows his church and decided to be far, far away but not so far that the media wouldn’t know he was not at his church so he could continue with the “What you talking about Willis” routine.
Mccain is better than obama any time… i can tell that confidently
Well I’m not sure that the Dems are correct in their assertion that the party will simply unite after this primary. Especially considering how Hillary has been treated by the party..those wounds won’t be healed easily.
I think we’ll simply see low turnout in the GE and that’ll ensure a republican win.
That is if the party isn’t smart enough to rally behind Hillary.
By the way, I’m not saying I’ll vote for Obama. What I am saying is we do need to think over this hard. In the long term, who is best to advance progressive ideas.
I may not like the DNC much these days, but I’m true to the progressive cause. I suppose as between McCain and Obama, the consideration really is… lesser of two evils.
I will vote for McCain over BO!
That is not the issue for me…
The way to stop the war in that case lies soley on Pelosi and Reid..
NO MORE FUNDING should do it!!!!!
BO may stop the war BUT HE WILL SELL AMERICA to his ARAB friends like rezko!
So this is a no brainer!
I do not like it but c’est la vie…courtesy of Kerry/Kennedy/Dodd!
Carbynew wrote:
It means Obama knows his church and decided to be far, far away but not so far that the media wouldn’t know he was not at his church so he could continue with the “What you talking about Willis” routine.
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Hehe, yep. And now the whole world knows, Obama puts political expediency ahead of his own religious convictions. Skipping church on Easter Sunday because he’s afraid of political fallout? Yeah, that will play REALLLLLY well among swing-state voters this fall.
More excerpts from Hitchens:
This flabbergasting process, made up of glibness and ruthlessness in equal proportions, rolls on unstoppably with a phalanx of reporters and men of the cloth as its accomplices. Look at the accepted choice of words for the ravings of Jeremiah Wright: controversial, incendiary, inflammatory. These are adjectives that might have been—and were—applied to many eloquent speakers of the early civil rights movement. (In the Washington Post, for Good Friday last, the liberal Catholic apologist E.J. Dionne lamely attempted to stretch this very comparison.) But is it “inflammatory” to say that AIDS and drugs are wrecking the black community because the white power structure wishes it? No. Nor is it “controversial.” It is wicked and stupid and false to say such a thing. And it not unimportantly negates everything that Obama says he stands for by way of advocating dignity and responsibility over the sick cults of paranoia and victimhood.
That same supposed message of his is also contradicted in a different way by trying to put Geraldine Ferraro on all fours with a thug like Obama’s family “pastor.” Ferraro may have sounded sour when she asserted that there can be political advantages to being black in the United States—and she said the selfsame thing about Jesse Jackson in 1984—but it’s perfectly arguable that what she said is, in fact, true, and even if it isn’t true, it’s absurd to try and classify it as a racist remark. No doubt Obama’s slick people were looking for a revenge for Samantha Power (who, incidentally, ought never to have been let go for the useful and indeed audacious truths that she uttered in Britain), but their news-cycle solution was to cover their own queasy cowardice in that case by feigning outrage in the Ferraro matter. The consequence, which you can already feel, is an inchoate resentment among many white voters who are damned if they will be called bigots by a man who associates with Jeremiah Wright. So here we go with all that again. And this is the fresh, clean, new post-racial politics?
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To have accepted Obama’s smooth apologetics is to have lowered one’s own pre-existing standards for what might constitute a post-racial or a post-racist future. It is to have put that quite sober and realistic hope, meanwhile, into untrustworthy and unscrupulous hands. And it is to have done this, furthermore, in the service of blind faith. Mark my words: This disappointment is only the first of many that are still to come.
And this is the fresh, clean, new post-racial politics!!!!!
Oh!
Shades of Biden comment!
jithendra, are you a moderate or liberal? If you’re moderate, then perhaps McCain is the choice for you.
As for me, a dye-in-the-wool liberal, I think McCain is a relatively nice guy, but he’s a conservative. As a conservative, he’s anti-choice, he’ll appoint conservative Justices, he’s pro-business, and he’ll try to dismantle progressive institutions such as Soc Sec.
I really don’t know much about Obama to say he won’t do the same. He’s just a freakin’ cult leader whom the media refuses to vet. So I can’t say what he will and won’t do. All I have are his speeches and empty promises.
Hillary will win! She’s the only person who will make this country great again. And, certainly, the only person who can advance progressive causes.
it’s really simple why I don’t support Obama.
He is a proven liar, manipulator, and outsourcer. He wants to throw almost 1 Triilion dollars in Africa for goodness sake, even while we still have people in the USA who are uninsured, impoverished, jobless, and struggling.
There’s definitely a sense of patriotism in my support of any candidate, and I will certainly not support a candidate who I don’t think puts the interest of the American people first and foremost. Let the UN and the other group organizations support other countries. The president of the USA should not be the one feeding other continents when it can barely feed its poorest now.
In this sense, I will vote for McCain over Obama on any given day.
Hillary is by far the most prominent and outstanding candidate among the three. Her committment and dedication oozes out of every pore on her body and I can see this woman leading the free World for the better. Obama will be the president who encourages racial division, radical black power surges, and disruption of harmony everywhere.
i have been hearing conservative & liberal.. i can understand from the word conservative what conservatives are like.. but i don’t get what liberals mean… what are liberals stand for…
Hey, if Bambi wins the nom and some people want to support him in the GE, I’m fine with that. We all gotta do what we think is right, you know?
I just can’t support someone who I really believe to be a complete and utter sack of shit.
Yes – I vote for Hillary. If I can’t vote for her I will vote for McCain. I will not vote for Obama.
Someone over at TM talked about going to dinner at a friend’s house in Berkeley that used to be covered with BO signs. She said most are gone. This jives with what I am seeing when I drive to work. No or 1 or 2 BO bumper stickers when they used to be all of the place. This is Northern “crazy liberal” California. If it is happening here than it is no doubt happening to a much larger degree in the countries heartland, midwest etc.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_housing
Go to yahoo, to recommend Hillary’s proposal.
If you’d asked me a month ago if I could vote for BHO in the general, I probably would have said, “yeah, I’ll hold my nose and be a good Democrat, and do it.”
Not now, though. No way. Not after Wright, after Moss, and after Meeks. Not after the blatant lying and the blatant anti-white racism (”typical white woman”) remarks. And what’s scary is that we’ve only had one week of semi-real “vetting” of Obama now. Imagine what else lurks out there?
Hey check this out…it is the electoral map from 1988 (dukakis vs. bush). Shows what happens when blue states go red. Looking at a replay w/ BO as the nominee.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElectoralCollege1988-Large.png#filelinks
was just listening to Fox News and the whole Kwame Kilpatrick scandal (Mayor of Detroit) that he is a superdelegate, leaning towards BO.
Hilarious – this guy with all his coverup of his affair, his misuse of public funds and who won’t step down as Mayor…yeah, go ahead an endorse BO, make our day.
Hey check this out….electoral map from 1988 (dukakis vs. bush). Shows what can happen when blue states go red. Looking at a replay if BO is the nominee. That is the narrative.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElectoralCollege1988-Large.png#filelinks
just h t t p / /
As for me, a dye-in-the-wool liberal, I think McCain is a relatively nice guy, but he’s a conservative. As a conservative, he’s anti-choice, he’ll appoint conservative Justices, he’s pro-business, and he’ll try to dismantle progressive institutions such as Soc Sec.
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Yeah, I hope Hillary wins…
but on a side note for that anti-choice, my reason is valided by this sombre thought:
a) If women do not care that much about it, they deserve it by voting for BO!
b) If McCain gets elected, then there will be a push by moderates such asArnie, Crist, Snow, Specter and other moderate republicans on the possible overturn of Row vs. Wade issue. And our 4 SCOTUS judges can last another 4 quite easily.
And the worst for the anti/pro choice issue will be that it will become a STATE issue. That suits me fine…my state is very progressive! For those other states well elect the right of progressives ;eaders for your states or move to another!
VERY easy choice for me compared to the national security disaster issue looming on BO’s “real” agenda – as spoken by his mentor – WRIGHT!
Oh..OBAMA WILL WRIGHT ON DAY ONE! Those are his own words!
jithendra Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
i have been hearing conservative & liberal.. i can understand from the word conservative what conservatives are like.. but i don’t get what liberals mean… what are liberals stand for…
Are you sure you’re on the right site? What do liberals stand for?
>>What do liberals stand for?
yes, i don’t know what do they stand for.. and what i am hearing from hillary’ speeches i don’t think she is liberal and share opinions/views same as kerry… i believe hillary is not liberal she is kind of moderate conservative
i suppose kerry is strong liberal.. and he mentioned that if BO is president that would give hope to people in jordan, egypt & saudi arabia… what?? give hope to people in saudi arabia??? hmmm…
BTW:
While I am a moderate person, I have nothing against liberal/progressive/social ideas!
Actually McCain is not that “PRO-BUSINESS”!!!…that is why his own republicans dislike him. He will be against the big lobbying!
Fox News discussing the Republican cross-over in the Dem primaries/caucuses – one panelist, Mary Ann Marsh, said that prior to McCain locking the nomination and TX, Rep crossing over for Obama – but TX showed more Rep crossing over than ever – speculates could be more a result of Rush Limbaugh than what they think of Hillary, and that more Repub cross over to be expected now that McCain is nominee. PA showing record registrations.
As karmic payback for BO’s Dem for Day campaign, I hope that these Repubs vote for Hillary and help her trounce BO in PA.
hi hillfans, i hope your weekend went well. the national polling numbers are close. i wish we had new indiana poll numbers.
What the heck? So if Repubs cross over for Hillary it’s a sinister plot, but when they cross over for BO, it’s because they really dig him? These pundits are idiots.
filbertsf Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
By the way, I’m not saying I’ll vote for Obama. What I am saying is we do need to think over this hard. In the long term, who is best to advance progressive ideas.
I may not like the DNC much these days, but I’m true to the progressive cause. I suppose as between McCain and Obama, the consideration really is… lesser of two evils.
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I’m sorry but I’m voting for McCain if Hillary is NOT the nominee. This AA has been very up front about her concerns regarding Obama and his integrity, honest (one of the worst i’ve seen in a long time for a pol), Leadership, values and Commander in Chief role.
I have tremendous respect for the men and women in the military and the sacrifice they have made for our country and for Obama to be going to a black liberation church for 20 years pushing terrorist manifestos even after 911 bothers me……………a lot!
I don’t want to waste my vote and I also will stay a democrat and start to fight for my party because I’m tired of being talked down to by the democratic elite who can’t run winning presidential campaign against the REPUGS. There is an anti-American bias running through the democratic party by those who do not fight for the freedom this country allows us.
btw: I also believe it is time to reinstate the draft so that all American will be invested in their country LIBERTY!
The pundit rule about Hillary is that no one supports her unless they have a bad motive. That’s why the NYTimes is puzzled about the increase in online donations to her campaign. They can’t figure out an ulterior motive for them.
jith, jesus, don’t you know how to differentiate between the people and the government. Kerry is an idiot. I can’t imagine any american president that would give saudi women more hope than seeing King Abdullah have to sit down with a woman president.
Hillary is no conservative. That’s laughable.
Kerry is an elit liberal more concerned with social liberalism than bread and butter liberalism.
mj – I don’t think that they were implying this at all. The panelist didn’t really go into why Repubs cross over for BO. But it was the first time I’d heard this objectively on the MSM (because the liberal networks will only talk about cross-over for Hillary as if it is a sinister plot) but Fox said that prior to McCain lock, they were crossing over for BO, and post-McCain lock, now going for Hillary.
They should just say, it’s Repub trying to keep the Dems duking this out to convention.
>>Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu.
ohhh, really is his grandma alive now…
Any Hillary supporters there that could give her a hand?
Looks like Hitchens was sober when he wrote this.
http://www.slate.com/id/2187277
To have accepted Obama’s smooth apologetics is to have lowered one’s own pre-existing standards for what might constitute a post-racial or a post-racist future. It is to have put that quite sober and realistic hope, meanwhile, into untrustworthy and unscrupulous hands. And it is to have done this, furthermore, in the service of blind faith. Mark my words: This disappointment is only the first of many that are still to come.
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my thoughts exactly. His speech was an affront to everybody who thinks (and aspires to be) they are post-racial, black or white.
Please Hichens is bio-polar…first he was for Obama and now he’s not?
jithendra, Kerry is just an idiot — liberal or otherwise.
i believe hillary is not liberal she is kind of moderate conservative
Those are fighting words. You can call her a moderate, a pragmatist, or a political realist. What she is not is a conservative.
You know her record as well as I do. You seem to have a misconception of what a liberal is. We are not socialists, anarchists, or Nadarites — those are the extreme far-left. They are comparable to the extreme far-right.
Not all of us are wackos like Sheehan. We don’t call soldiers “baby killers.” We don’t throw red paint on ppl who wear fur. We don’t all throw rocks through the windows of a Starbucks.
Hehe .. hitchens, drunk or bipolar. What a thought
A good mydd from a former Obama supporter which deserves support.
h t t p : / / http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/23/231221/578
All I got from Bambi’s race speech was a statement of the obvious. We have issues. And how does the great unifier propose we fix these racial problems? Ummm…er….uhh…HOPE! And of course, vote for Barack.
That’s some kind of awesome miracle elixir this guy is pedddling.
moderate conservative
oxymoron
PUERTO RICO PRIMARY NEWS
The front page of San Juan’s top Spanish-language daily features a gorgeous photograph of the Clintons accompanying an article about an upcoming visit by Bill Clinton to the commonwealth.
The DNC’s rules and bylaws committee today is expected to make official PR’s June 1 primary, with 63 delegates at stake. It used to be a caucus — hmm.
Gov. Anibal Acevedo-Vila has endorsed Obama, but much of the island’s progressive establishment is expected to line up behind Sen. Clinton.
marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/duelo_en_borinquen.php
From FOXNews.com
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341050,00.html
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I think it is very important, not because he has a reputation on foreign affairs and he is endorsing him as commander in chief, and not because he is Hispanic. I don’t think it will have a good big effect in the remaining primaries.
It’s all in the timing. Here is Obama reeling from the Reverend Wright affair. He’s back on his heels. The polls are turning sour on him. It looks as if this has done damage.
By having a man of Richardson’s stature in the Party step in and say “I endorse him. I’m with him. He’s a winner,” I think it sends a message to a lot of delegates who could be wavering that he’s going to win this, and you should be on the right side. So I think it’s very important looking at where and when it happened.
And I think from Richardson’s perspective, you don’t have to be that cynical to think he’s a politician. He knows how important his endorsement was today, and I suspect he either dangled it before him or understood there is a high position in the administration, Obama administration, perhaps Secretary of State or Vice President.
I mean, he’s a guy — if Obama wins, it’s going to be with a combination of New Mexico, Colorado, Florida, and a Hispanic running mate would really help. And if I had been Richardson, I would demand at least those, and maybe a cushy ambassadorship. I would sell my soul for nothing less than the court of Saint James.
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DUMB WHITE GUYS…Richardson winning these states for Obama? Puhlease Richardson couldn’t even wn NM for Obama. Richardson didn’t do anything for the Clinton…it was their own hard work and 35 year relationships with the Latino community. Bill and Hillary worked their butt off for Bill “I didn’t know he was Hispanic” Richardson.
For Lord of the Ring fans. And Sean Astin fans. New article is up.
Re Obama’s race speech, Taylormarsh.com had a front page quotiing a Bill Clinton speech years ago saying many of the same things. Uncredited by Obama of course.
Clinton didn’t compare his own grandmother or Ferraro to Wright, though. That’s change, that is.
That does it!! Under dire circumstances I might be persuaded to vote for a Marxist, or an extremist, or a black separatist, or a dumb shit, but I will not vote for anybody supported by a Klingon. See Carbynew @2:31 pm.
Obama’s race speech fallout.
http://www.newsmax.com/koch/obama_wright/2008/03/24/82658.html
About Obama’s white grandmother, Madelyn Dunham….
MerrimackValley Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
>>Obama settled on an 85-year-old lady named Madelyn Dunham, who spent a good deal of her youth helping to raise him and who now lives alone and unwell in a condo in Honolulu.
ohhh, really is his grandma alive now…
Any Hillary supporters there that could give her a hand?
She doesn’t live in a fancy modern ‘condo’. She still lives in the same modest small apartment in a ‘nondescript high-rise’, where she and his grandfather (now deceased) raised Obama from age 10-college.
As of about a year ago, she was still answering her own phone but curtly telling reporters she was in poor health and not giving interviews.
Doing something for her sounds like a great idea!
From Obamapost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-felsenthal/whos-paying-maggie-willi_b_93138.html?view=print
Who’s Paying Maggie Williams?
Posted March 24, 2008 | 03:14 PM (EST)
For weeks now, it has been routinely reported that Maggie Williams, who replaced the ousted Patti Solis Doyle as Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, is working without pay. I’ve wondered about it from the first time I read it.
This is the same Maggie Williams who worked as the First Lady’s chief of staff, with an office in the West Wing and the additional title of Assistant to the President; the same Maggie Williams who came under fire during the Clintons’ first term for allegedly removing papers from Vince Foster’s office after he committed suicide, and who, although never charged with any wrong doing, accumulated $350,000 in legal bills as a result of being hauled in front of the Senate Banking Committee and questioned about matters relating to Whitewater. She also became embroiled in President Clinton’s fundraising scandals. After Bill Clinton unhappily left the White House, Williams worked briefly as his chief of staff; successfully bringing order and goals to the initially distracted and disordered former president.
Buzz up!on Yahoo!In Saturday’s Wall Street Journal, Mary Jacoby, T.W. Farnam and Amy Chozick report on the financial situations as of late February of the two campaigns. Obama has little debt and $32 million in the bank to devote to besting Hillary. Hillary has $11 million and has $3.7 million in debt. For the month of February, Hillary’s campaign managers paid $3.1 million to pollster/strategist Mark Penn’s firm and $608,000 to advertising adviser Mandy Grunwald’s firm, while Maggie Williams, who seems central to whatever ups the Hillary campaign has enjoyed lately, received nothing.
Questions were raised when news broke last month that Hillary had loaned her campaign $5 million and that some of her senior staffers would be working, temporarily, without pay. But then came assurances that fundraising had picked up and everyone was being paid; everyone, apparently, except Maggie Williams.
As far as I can tell nobody is raising the question about Williams’ payless paydays. Does it strike anyone else as odd? If Hillary wins the nomination will Williams work for free during the general election campaign? If Hillary makes it to the White House, has Williams been promised the chief of staff’s job?
Re Texas crossovers, some volunteers in Texas were saying there were all sorts of reasons, now that McCain was set and the GOP people were free to play around. Some GOP were voting for Hillary to keep the Dem race going. Some were doing it to protest McCain. Some were quoted as saying they wanted to support the weakest candidate but weren’t sure which that was! A few GOP women may have been showing support for a woman candidate.
And of course the GOP stop-hillary thing that Obama has been working on all year, nation-wide, and still is in the states that haven’t voted yet.
carbynew,
I doubt Maggie is really working for free. I think HRC has her back in some way.
Oh, is this another diversionary tack taken by the Huffpost people? The most important question is who is Obama, Clinton and McCain? Who gives a rats ass about Williams (other than I hear she is doing a fabulous job for Hill).
I am fortunate that I will not have to face this scenario.
As a democrat, with moderate views, I can not in good conscience, consider a vote for BHO, or McCain.
BHO is an unknown who has demonstrated he will stab people in the back to get what he wants. His judgement is questionable and his patriotism is debatable at best. BHO has shown he does not represent the core values of the democratic party, instead, he represents his own personal interests.
MCain on the other hand represents the republican party and their platform is for a divisive, and exclusionary government. The true meaning of conservative for the republican party is not a fiscal management style it is purely to restrict the rights of people.
My only recourse would be to vote independent, write in Hillary, or sit the election out.
As I would consider my choices, I recognize that the latter is not an optiion. The right of the people to participate in their government is and should remain sacred. Therefore I would exercise my right to vote. even if it means to to throw my vote away.
I haven’t seen anyone else saying this (except maybe blackagendareport or some other Black anti-Obama site), but maybe Obama is ’socially liberal’ but ‘financially GOP’.
On record he supports abortion, gay rights, etc. But in the fine print in the back room, he acts for the nuclear industry, ’sanctity of contract’ vs foreclosure relief, against 100% UHC, etc. This would be good reason for the corporate world to support him: they’d be free of the embarrassment of the Religious Right but still get the money actions.
Ronald Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
you are forgetting that he has NO clue about the real Black experience either. Anyone who has been to Hawaii knows it is the most multi-racial and tolerant place in America. As for the Black experience, he lied about the drugs in his book and went to the church so people would seem him as Black enough.
You’re right about Hawaii, and he was sent to an expensive private school which was even more mult-cultural. But I think the truth about Chicago and his church is worse. From what I’ve read, he CHOSE Chicago BECAUSE he wanted ‘the Black experience.’
See h t t p : / / http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=%22wanted+to+join+the+club%22+Obama+Black&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
is it just me? it seems as of late we are getting a lot more postings and news tidbits on this board bashing Hillary and praising the likes of BHO and McCain.
I thought this was a pro Hillary site? whats going on?
djia Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
well i have been lurking and also trying to post to no avail, i doubt this post will even go through
but i sure would like to join you in supporting hillary clinton for president!!
Welcome, djia! Sometimes posts get delayed in the spam filter if they have links. We get around that by using h t t p : / / or just starting with www.
Anyway glad to have you with us!
carbynew Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/03/obamas-church-is-a-product-of.html
Talev writes that “some of the more provocative doctrines” at the core of Wright’s message — Jesus is black, Marxism can aid in a true understanding of the Gospels, the white church in America is the Antichrist — grew out of the writings of James Cone, the founder of the modern black liberation theology movement. “Particularly influential,” she writes, “was Cone’s seminal 1969 book, ‘Black Theology & Black Power.
I don’t have a cite handy, but Obama has said that he was raised agnostic/tolerant and never got seriously moved by any form of Christianity before Wright’s. It was Wright’s ‘African gospel’ or ‘Black values’ or whatever it was called, that CONVERTED Obama from agnosticism. I dunno whether that resembles Christianity as we know it.
Google’s cache of some material about Wright’s church. Archive it before it vanishes from Google!
h t t p : / / 209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:gUacLKlzy74J:www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim.php+%22walk+down+the+aisle%22+Obama+Black+Wright&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=opera
jithendra Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
wow awesome ad on john mccain
rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
oneman has the experience
one man hs the courage
one man has our trust
and young john mccain walks by saluting..
super AD… wow john “the patriot” mccain…
Jithendra,
Thanks very much for letting us know how the McCain campaign is shaping up. We need to know what to expect.
Some of us Hillary people are thinking about a Plan B for how to vote if BO gets the Dem nomination, and some are considering voting for McCain. It’s good for them to see what sort of message they may be endorsing if they do choose McCain.
What I’d wonder is, when was that ad produced, and who is it aimed at? Maybe they produced it on the assumption that the Dem nominee will be Obama? If Hillary is the nominee and it’s used against her, that would send a whole different message!
jithendra Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
bambi’ AA support is not useful… because they are minority in numbers in all southern states when it comes to GE… the states that he won with margin in primary like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississipi, Georgia will all be red states in GE… i hope super delegates atleast know that
Yep, very good point. We should all keep our eye on that ball: November electoral votes. Novak’s recent column was talking about BO going down and hinted that the only reason some SD were considering him was ‘fear of Black anger’. If like John Lewis they’re afraid of losing support among their own constituents, that makes sense. But if they’re afraid of losing states in November because AA’s stay home or go McCain — then we need to look at whether we ever had any chance of winning those states in the first place!
And if Novak means fear of Sharpton rioting in Denver … imo that’s a fear we need to examine and see if it’s really such a danger that we should be rushing to Obama in fear….
mj Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Jith, that isn’t great if Hill is also losing to him.
Depends on how big the relative margins are. I think I’ve seen figures in some polls that show McCain beating Obama in double digits in some states, while McCain only has a point or two above Hillary.
Of course if they’re both losing to McCain by very high margins, then we might as well write that state off anyway (unless something new turns up to hurt McCain).
1950dem…….OMG my post went through!
when?? I didn’t see it LOL
well thanks for the welcome, I look forward to being apart of the fun from now on!
pm Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Clinton’s people are using electoral college math to persuade superdelegates. Here is an excellent blog on that topic. If you are writing to superdelegates you may want to use this info.
anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/03/fun-with-electoral-college.html
Great! We should remind everyone that the whole point of assigning different numbers of ‘delegates’ to different states is to reflect the November system of ‘electoral votes’ — so we know what to expect from each electoral vote district. This tells us which candidate will appeal to which state in Nov. So we need to choose the candidate who appeals to the states where we have a chance of winning in Nov.
Well, that’s garbled, I need coffee, but there’s a Talking Point in there SOMEWHERE.
ok, now that i know i am able to post, i would like to repost LOL
that i have written a bit about me several times here and gave up
and put it in my profile instead…….so if you wish to know more about me
that’s where you can find it : D
Idunn Says:
March 24th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Can I sue the DNC for harrassment? Seriously, no matter how many times I tell them to fuck off, that they aren’t getting a dime from me, they just keep sending me spams for cash.
I view that as an opportunity to give them good advice, just by hitting ‘Reply’.
Actually I do tell them Dean and Brazile need to shape up and seat FL/MI etc. There’s always the chance someone is reading those donation reply emails in hopes of money. Maybe I should stop changing the subject line, though.
Geraldine Ferraro on Fox. Wanted to know where Bill R. was when the Obama people were so horrible to her. I’m glad GF did not fold up her tent and go home. She is still out there fighting. I love her!
Ok, here is something I shared with Fran who was posting here but wanted to share here myself
And until now I couldn’t,but i have emailed it the admin here as well as rush and hannity. so i am hopeful
this will get out , I don’t know who to send this to so that hillary will get it… I have read many of you
talk about sending things to Hillary via “tips” but when i go to the web site i don’t see that link
so i always email to her under “issues”…..is there a better place to send important information quickly??
I was researching something and came upon this link by accident, its well hidden actually, when you go to the
home page of this site I couldn’t find a link to this page i have linked to here……..wonder why??
but this raised my eyebrows and begged me to ask a few questions as well….
Notice the dates of the this conference, obama was a member, with a law background, specifically a constitutional law background
and being a big financial contributor to this church and his “family” closeness to the Reverend
all this begs one to ask questions and seek answers; Was obama helping this church to write and file this ? Would obama purposely try to hurt American whites this way? If he did how can he say he’s not racist against whites?
so many questions yet to be asked and answered!!!!
millionsforreparations.com/theologicalresolution.html
RESOLUTION REGARDING REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY
Submitted by TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST and UNIVERSITY CHURCH
There can be no dispute that Africans were forcefully and through deceit, stolen from Africa, oppressed, abused physically, emotionally and psychologically, and forced to work without pay – the highest and most inhumane form of theft. The law as well as New Testament says if something has been stolen – repayment four fold is required, i.e., reparations.
There can be no doubt that one of the aftermaths of this horrible tragedy and smear on American history and greatness, is racism both institutional and personal, along with its pervasive counter part white supremacy, which has produced a deep malaise of the human spirit in a whole race of people. There can be no dispute that community is broken – remaining unreconciled, and in need of restoration. There has yet to be an official apology (repentance) for this great suffering and tragedy. This great suffering as aptly noted and described by Non-governmental Organizations and African Nations meeting as a part of the African Regional Preparatory Conference for the UN World Conference Against Racism, in January 2001 has resulted in, substantial and lasting economic, political and cultural damage caused to the descendants of the victims, the perpetuation of the prejudice against Africans on the continent of people of the African descent in the Diaspora, including and specifically the United States of America.
We need advocacy, as called for by the prophet Isaiah, by a people of God for a new community.
Both reparations and advocacy for a new community will demonstrate as it did for Zacchaeus – that salvation has truly come. We need repentance, restitution, restoration and reconciliation.
The following resolution on Reparations for African Americans, supported by this theological rationale and others, will assist the
members of the Illinois Conference United Church of Christ to indeed embrace repentance, restitution, restoration and reconciliation as called for in the Law, by the prophets and as demonstrated in the teaching of Jesus.
but it is this that i found the most interesting of the entire website article:
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BACKGROUND:
Members of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the United Church of Christ began conversations on the issue of reparations for slavery following the Disciples Justice Action Network-sponsored Justice Jubilee 2000 gathering in Tulsa, Oklahoma in September 2000. It was noted that awareness and discussion of this issue occurs almost exclusively among African American clergy and those churches they serve, but is also a justice issue long overdue for the serious attention of Christian citizens motivated by faith and tradition. Members of two Illinois Conference congregations – Trinity UCC, Chicago and University Church, Chicago – have held church school classes and study groups on reparations.
as well as this section:
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SUMMARY:
This resolution calls upon the Illinois Conference of the United Church of Christ, its Associations, its local churches, and other
related agencies, to be educated about the historical evils of the slave trade and its legacy which is a pernicious and self perpetuating distrust and fear that continues to feed the sin of racism and its fruits of inequality and injustice. It further calls upon the Conference to take actions in support of reparations.
Hannity and Colmbs tonght for those who want to know:
9 p.m. ET Monday, March 24:
Duel of the Dems: Newt Gingrich, Pat Caddell and Dick Morris have the latest analysis
Gingrich has been tough on Obama, Morris can’t stand the Clintons..don’t know about Caddell. No more info given on the website
Barry is at it again. Does he even know the truth anymore!
3/24/2008
FACT CHECK: Sen. Obama Accepts Over $1 Million From Subprime Lending Industry
The Obama campaign’s response to the comprehensive plan Hillary laid out to address the housing crisis today was not to discuss their disagreement with her proposal but to assert that Hillary has received contributions from subprime loan companies.
Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans, that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6699
Thought I’d share this: I waded over to the Daily Kos cesspool just to see what those on the other side are thinking. I could only stand about 5 minutes there but in scanning through the posts I found out some interesting tidbits from the Obamabots from the diaries I looked at:
1. They are genuinely concerned about Hillary doing well in Pennsylvania and what that will do to the race. They are worried it will go to the convention.
2. They don’t talk a lot about the Wright affair–you’d think it never happened.
3. They are convinced every negative that comes out of Obama’s mouth about Hillary is completely true
4. They are talking about running someone to challenge Hillary’s senate seat in 2012.
That Hillary writer’s strike must be working as it’s nearly 100% pro-Obama over there. I used to think the Democratic Underground was bad but Daily Kos is in the same category. Absolutely disgusting place….
Terrndt, I too wish we had recent polling for In. The one poll I looked up was back in Feb and he was up but this was a local poll.
In, I have no idea how it leans due to no polling but it’s western border is next to IL, Obama’s state but the remaining borders are next to Hill friendly states i,e Michigan, OH, TN etc and she has the senator Evan Bayh for her.
I’m hoping to see new PA, In, Ky and NC polls this week.
If the day ever comes that MO starts praising Hillary whenever she praises Bambi, then that is when I think President Clinton should automatically include Bambi when he is praising Hillary and/or McCain!
Here’s a site that works from any state with your zip code. In 2 minutes you can email a ton of newspapers (check all boxes) and send one email to all of them.
h t t p : / / tiny.cc/3kQPH
I just used that to post to some national papers:
Someone had quite a good idea: send in ALL the disputed delegates as “Uncommitted.” Let them make up their own minds.
This is how conventions were done in the past, before these pesky new-fangled pledged delegates were born nor thought of.
Obama should like this fine, because after taking his own name off the Michigan ballot, he went into Michigan to campaign for the “Uncommitted” slate there.
The closing paragragh from todays Washington Post describing Hillarys economic plan. This message needs to sink in with voters:
‘the ultimate test of our long-term economic policies are the wages, jobs, health care and economic mobility of typical and too often “invisible” American families. The answer does not lie in extending high-income tax cuts or in expensive new corporate tax cuts. Nor is it in creating a spate of new government bureaucracies. Hillary Clinton supports policies that empower Americans directly to achieve greater economic security and upward mobility: a health-care tax credit that goes directly to you; a $1,000 matching tax cut that goes directly to your savings account; and higher education tax cuts that go directly to pay for your or your child’s tuition and dreams of a better future.”
Amen, Madame President.
Is Obama supposed to be in the U.S. Virgin Islands or British Virgin Islands? Personally, I think there is something else he’s up to, besides being nowhere around TUCC at Easter. Out of range for wiretapping by U.S State Department (scrutiny)? – Wish they were investigating his contributions and Nation of Islam connections. What was up with sudden change of complete Secret Service Detail not long ago? Did they suspect SS of blowing whistles? Oh, to be a fly on the wall. Anyway, think he’s out of country for a reason – other than relaxation. Is other shoe fixing to fall and he knows it? Is he planning, wheeling and dealing from afar and away from U.S. airwaves and cell towers rallying his troops for a coup takeover by Superdelegates? Richardson is absolutely a traitor and sell-out. Even Karl Rove said that Clinton had-picked him out, named him Ambassador, then Energy Secretary – allowing him to gain national prominence in which to capture NM governorship. Another audacious politician who would be a regular Joe Blow on the street, had it not been for Clintons. Then – he, of all people calling on the other SD to follow “his lead”. He thinks he’ll be VP, you can tell. He is the worst type of person. No thankfulness or loyalty whatsoever. Still hasn’t had the guts to call BC, according to news sources. He’ll get his. Maybe he’s just one bite away from that Taco Bell in the sky. Hope he loses his next election, because he damn sure won’t be VP. There’d be two good reasons not to support an Obama/Richardson ticket. Also – the fact that he supported Obama (even if he had already told Obama he would) following hearing Wright’s anti-American rants and hate-speech, means the AA and Latino in the race have absolutely no decency or morals whatsoever. If I were AA or Latino – I would be so PISSED OFF that THIS is what represents me? As it is, I’m just a “typical white person” who is MAD AS HELL and I’M NOT TAKING IT ANYMORE. I’m also furious that the Texas County Convention will apparently be held this week (I’m a HRC delegate) since the Texas Democratic Party didn’t have the balls to honor HRC’s request to hold off, since not all counted. Gov. Perry + Gov. Richardson = Double Judas.
what is it with the black hawke helicopter landing under fire. what a non-story! You know I bet Senator Clinton has had a run in her hose too. That’s what I equate this to, OMG, these Obamabots are looking for anything they can find to blow up bigger than it is. Maybe they should look at her Girl Scout record! LOL!! they are so ridiculous!!!