Roll Away The Stone

Why do you seek the living one among the dead?

Happy Easter to all our Christian readers. “Give Me That Old Time Religion” not the Wright stuff:

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Top Ten Comebacks Of All Time:

Elvis made the list for resurrecting his sagging career in 1968. Muhammad Ali made the list when he reclaimed the heavyweight title after a seven-year exile from the ring. Harry Truman made the cut because of his 1948 victory over Thomas Dewey when all the polls had him losing by a wide margin. Of course, Michael Jordan was on the list for his return to the NBA.

Put Bill Clinton on the list. Reserve a place for Hillary Clinton on the list. Big Media is going to choke.

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  1. Admin…fun and uplifting post for this lovely morning, and a particularly special one for Christians of all ethnicities.

    Ok gang…off to work!

  2. admin
    Thanks for the very sweet Easter videos. The holiday is as much about welcoming spring as it is a religious holiday for Christians. Here is to everyone enjoying the spring of 2008, one that will usher in a new political era in American politics in the form of Hillary Clinton. As for that other guy, well, we will just let him keep talking to his pooka Harvy. Obama is a little screwy if he thinks Americans are going to elect someone who belongs to a racist church. Sorry Harvy. Didn’t mean to confuse you with the Easter Bunny.

  3. Admin, you should have put the Building A Religion video in with the others in that article. 😉

    I forgive you, though.

  4. REALLY enjoyed Gov. Rendell on FNS, wonderful advocate for HRC, probably one of her best. And he really seems to fit the middle class voter, unlike Richardson.

    And what a joke, Richardson defending his SD vote for BO over that of his state because it was only 1/2 percent for Hillary. We won’t get to use that silly argument in the GE, look what happened in Fl in 2004, was the margin of the vote something like 1/10 percent?

  5. Good morning Hillfans. If you’ve not visited RezkoWatch yet this morning, the Easter bunny (or the Spring Equinox bunny, take your pick) left a goose egg for Obama this morning. Enjoy!

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/follow-money-never-too-late-to-wash.html

  6. Morning, everyone!

    Someone on TM said the panel on “Meet the Clinton Haters” was spouting the “her voters will vote for him but his won’t vote for her” line.

    It’s mind-boggling how the press just unquestioningly buys every argument his campaign puts forward. They really think Obama’s camp smearing the Clintons as racists and calling Bill Joe McCarthy doesn’t infuriate a lot of her supporters? Never mind the sexism we’ve all witnessed. It’s fine for HIS supporters to be angry, but hers are just supposed to take all these insults lying down? Give me a friggin’ break.

  7. B Merry…in case I haven’t told you before now, thank you so much for all the hard work you do. Your blog is brilliant!

  8. A TM poster with connections to DNC peeps says the DNC probably won’t seat FL and MI if it means changing the outcome of the race. I believe that, and it explains why Obama scuttled the revotes. Of course, that means Hillary’s supporters will have a legitimate gripe that she was ripped off, and it means we lose FL and probably MI in November.

    But they’d rather lose to McCain, apparently. That’s why I’m going to reregister as an independent.

  9. Idunn, thanks 😯

    This one’s for you. Another Obama fairy tale. Can’t take credit for this one but it’s a worthwhile read and good info to pass on.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-degree-of-separation-about-rev.html

  10. I will also re-register as an Independent. The dems in power in the party are not my cup of tea. I will vote–I will write in Hillary Clinton.

  11. JanH, thanks. Stumbled across this while looking for April 2004 Chicago activities. Never know how those dots will connect. Karma, baby, karma!

  12. Obama mentioned the lack of city services as a cause for pastors such as Wright in his Philadelphia speech. But Rezko failed to provide heat and garbage services to the residents of his tenements, and I imagine some of Rezko’s tenants are members of or affiliated with Wright’s church.

  13. Here’s something that has been bugging the shit out of me ever since all this Wright stuff has come up: do people not understand that words have actual definitions?!

    RACISM: (it’s ACTUAL meaning, and not what it has morphed into): a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

    PREJUDICE: (1): preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge

    BIGOT: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

    So, under these definitions, Granny is prejudiced, Obama is prejudiced, and Wright is a bigot.

  14. In that Schlussel column mentioned on the previous thread she says she talked to a former Obama insider about the National of Islam staffers and that person was indeed someone from the Obama camp. If this is legit, she should encourage that person to come forward with this knowledge as it clearly must be bothering him/her that people affiliated with NOI are in Obama’s campaign. Also, unless Schlussel is considered an completely unreliable source by the media, shouldn’t Fox or another network have her on to explain her interview with the person she claimed made the statements? After all, this story is absolutely huge if true and it’s something that needs to be brought out about a Presidential candidate if indeed people with these affiliations are on his staff.

    No one wants to smear a candidate if the information is just innuendo, but Schlussel goes out of her way in her article to say that the person was legit and that she checked them out prior to writing the column. Now would be the time to make this information public if this is really coming from someone who was in Obama’s camp….

  15. SALUTARY: 1. favorable to or promoting health; healthful.
    2. promoting or conducive to some beneficial purpose; wholesome.

    I’m like the alpha sprouts of Hillary is 44. 😉

  16. American girl…someone also said they had it on high authority that Bambi attended a Madrassa. People were happy to jump all over that. I never bought into it because…ummm…where was the proof?!

    Furthermore, even if he DID attend a madrassa, so what? There’s a big difference between muslims and muslim terrorists. Hell, if you’re gonna make that leap, why not just say that all germans kill jews?

  17. @AmericanGal,

    I agree with you about Schlussel. I also think that the media should pursue this. If it turns out to be true, then they go with it. If it leads to a dead end, then it won’t be the first time.

  18. beneficial insofar as it clarifies the terms we use.

    I like the alpha-sprout analogy better. They keep you regular and I’m all for a healthy shit. Removes toxins and what not. 😉

  19. Schlussel defends her story in the comments thread of her essay. Perhaps someone here should urge Schlussel to contact Fox News and other outlets.

  20. I’m not going to comment about most of the stuff in those videos. But I will say that I just love how politicians dance around an issue, and think the American public is too stupid to see through them.

    Reporter: When did you stop using drugs?

    McCaskill: Here’s how I’m going to answer you, in the 70’s I did alot of stupid things.

    Ummm, if the truth is that you STOPPED doing drugs in the 70’s, Claire, why not just say , ” I stopped doing drugs in the 70’s “? That was 30 years ago, what’s the big fucking deal?

  21. Here’s how I’m going to answer you..

    Politician speak for “Let me just take a second to cover my ass here” .

  22. Idunn, also consider the time period during which this investigation into Claire McCaskill’s drug consumption occurred. Who appointed the US Attorney who launched the inquiry?

  23. Interesting point, Pulchritude. And maybe that explains Claires ugliness towards certain individuals.

    But anyway, all of that speaks only to Claires character. Obama is just a slick opportunist who couldn’t care less about the character of the people he aligns himself with. Doesn’t make him guilty of the same things they are, just makes him another typical politician.

  24. From Wikipedia:

    Schlussel is often at the center of controversy because of her views on Islam.

    Schlussel often discusses Muslims in her political columns. The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee considers her work “racist hate speech” and has a section on her in its 2002 Hate Crime report.[11]
    During and following the captivity of American journalist Jill Carroll, Schlussel attacked Carroll, alleging that Carroll hated Israel and America, and implying that she sympathized with her captors.[12][13] When objection was raised,[14] she attacked her critics as well, deriding them as “blind worshippers of Jill Carroll” in need of “LASIK.” [15]

    For whatever it’s worth.

  25. Idunn,

    Not trying to dismiss this info about Schlussel, but Wikipedia is not the be all and end all of honest reporting. From what I have heard, anyone can add information to that site and it can be biased, unsubstantiated, truthful or not depending on the motive.

    It’s very possible that Schlussel has done all of that, but I think I’ll wait for a better reference. jmo

  26. Not trying to dismiss this info about Schlussel, but Wikipedia is not the be all and end all of honest reporting.

    Hence my “for what it’s worth” comment at the end. 😉

  27. From Media Matters article:

    Responding to the April 16 mass shooting at Virginia Tech, right-wing pundit Debbie Schlussel “speculat[ed]” in an April 16 weblog post that the shooter, who had been identified at that point only as a man of Asian descent, might be a “Paki” Muslim and part of “a coordinated terrorist attack.” “Paki” is a disparaging term for a person of Pakistani descent.

    Schlussel wrote, “The murderer has been identified by law enforcement and media reports as a young Asian male,” adding, “The Virginia Tech campus has a very large Muslim community, many of which are from Pakistan.” Schlussel continued: “Pakis are considered ‘Asian,’ ” and asked, “Were there two [shooters] and was this a coordinated terrorist attack?” Schlussel asserted that the reason she was “speculating that the ‘Asian’ gunman is a Pakistani Muslim” was “[b]ecause law enforcement and the media strangely won’t tell us more specifically who the gunman is.” Schlussel claimed that “[e]ven if it does not turn out that the shooter is Muslim, this is a demonstration to Muslim jihadists all over that it is extremely easy to shoot and kill multiple American college students.”

    Full article here:

    mediamatters.org/items/200704170006

  28. If you guys want to hang onto Schlussel, that’s your right. I’m not touching her with a 10 foot pole.

  29. Bleeding hearts for Tibet will get nowhere. Taiwan independence will get no where. The sad truth for the West is that China is no longer a pushover like good old colonial days. It is big country and has done a remarkable job of improving its living conditions for its people over the last 30 years. That is a fact. Communist China will need to evolve to be relevant. However, Western fear and prejudices exemplified in the western press cannot change the opinions of 1.3 billion people. Taiwan itself voted against its UN referendum during its recent election. Tibet is part of China and so is Taiwan. Wishful detractors can argue until hell freezes and will be futile unless they are prepared to go to war with China . GWB almost started along that path in 2001 until Iraq and Al Qaeda becomes central to US foreign policy. The chinese are not blind to western intentions.It is not about democracy or freedom, it is about power and money. US is the best teacher to China and the world about power and money. It is also its chief manipulator. Don’t blame China, it is only trying to be a good student.

    good post on ABC blog… west can not push over china no more…

  30. Currently nearly $2 Trillion worth of our $9 Trillion National Debt is in the hands of China because they purchase the U.S. Treasury Bonds that average Americans no longer do. No matter what they do in Tibet the only thing the Bush Administration will do about it is maybe say a few words. I mean, the president is planning to attend the Olympics They won’t do anything serious because there is too much money involved between the U.S. and China. And even more than power, money trumps democracy. We never did anything remotely serious after the Tianamen Square Massacre back in 1989, and we won’t do anything serious about Tibet either. Nothing proves that fact more than trying to go into any store in this country during the Holiday Season and buy Christmas decorations or ornaments that are NOT made in China. Good luck

  31. I always beleive, that if a rumor is true, it has a paper trail, and we have to concider the source of our information beause some people have their own agenda.

  32. Idunn,
    The question isn’t the trustworthiness or journalistic integrity
    of Debbie Schlussel.

    It is the questions she’s asked of BO’s staffers, and at least in one instance, their non-denial that they are members of the Nation of Islam, that is the issue.
    Remember she’s treaded where no one else has.

    If someone can do some follow-up reporting on what’s apparently started, it’d rectify if this is nothing or a knockout blow to BO.

  33. hahahaha

    China lashes out at Pelosi saying she’s “habitually bad tempered”. Even the Chinese understand how angry and self-righteous Pelosi is — a typical democrat. .

  34. Jan, you’re welcome. To be honest, I didn’t know anything about Schlussel until this morning. I just disregarded her words when I first saw them because I couldn’t find anything at all to back up her claims. So getting to know her alittle better today was a real eye-opener for me too.

    Seems like a lovely woman. 🙄

  35. Hi, just wanted to remind everyone of the info I dug up last night on Obama’s schedule with the Illinois State Legislature. We all know that it was a part time job, but I didn’t know just how part time until last night. The Illinois Senate meets, on average, about 75 days per year, but out of that average only about 55 days are mandatory to attend. On the days that aren’t mandatory, roll call is not taken. So, Obama’s 7 years of state senate experience he touts as equal or superior to Clinton’s years as First Lady of the United States and Arkansas works out to about 18 months of full time work. In short, he had about 3.5 years legislative experience and no executive experience when he announced for his candidacy for the presidency. Lotta ego there.

    Anyway, the Illinois senate is in session January through May, one day in October and then a few days in November for an average of about 55 days per year mandatory. That isn’t much experience.

    http://www.ilga.gov/house/schedules/default.asp

  36. Idunn,
    The question isn’t the trustworthiness or journalistic integrity
    of Debbie Schlussel.

    It is the questions she’s asked of BO’s staffers, and at least in one instance, their non-denial that they are members of the Nation of Islam, that is the issue.
    Remember she’s treaded where no one else has.

    Well, call me crazy, but when I don’t trust the integrity of the questioner, I don’t trust the integrity of their questions either.

    But as I said, you are free to do as you please with Ms. Schlussels “information”.

  37. Idunn,

    I won’t call you crazy, think you’re just missing a very important point.

    It is a simple question, it could be asked by a chimpanzee.

    Are you a member of the NOI?

    I’d like to see Taylor Marsh get into this – really……

    Happy Easter, btw.

  38. It is a simple question, it could be asked by a chimpanzee.

    Are you a member of the NOI?

    Yes, but what is the BASIS for asking such a question? Once you open the door for such random questions as “Are you a member of NOI?” “Are you a member of the NBBP?” “Are you a muslim terrorist?” “Have you ever dated a white woman?” “Can you PROVE you aren’t a communist?” then you are treading the waters of persecution, my friend. And I’m not haing ANY part of that.

    Just how I roll.

  39. I think the information from Media Matters shows that Schlussel is a questionable source. That’s probably why Fox and the others haven’t talked about it. If other independent evidence surfaces then I think it’s a legitimate question. Until then it can only be treated as rumor and shouldn’t be reported as there are no grounds for it. It would just look like a smear IMO.

  40. Admin: thanks for the Bing Crosby positing. No doubt Obamaniacs would say something befitting the occasion like who the fuck is that ancient asshole, but for me it brings back a floodtide of memories. Crosby and Hope used to come up to Seattle Golf Club together and I caddied there as a kid. Bing was a fine golfer and so was his son Nathan who won the US Amateur, whereas Hope was never of that calibre. When they arrived the caddies would swarm around them and demand autographs. Hope had a remedy for this: He would give one autograph and tell the rest of us we could trace his signature. At that point the crowd would dissipate. Iriving Berlin tried to score with the song Easter Parade when he was still working in Tin Pan Alley but he could not get the original words to work: smile and show your dimple-its all so very simple, etc. It took Louie B Mayer, Fred Astaire and Judy Garland to make it work and the lyrics became: in your easter bonnet -with all the frills upon it. More the deponent sayeth not.

    Happy Easter to Hillary, to you and to all her supporters here and throughout the country.

  41. Paula Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Morning, everyone!

    Someone on TM said the panel on “Meet the Clinton Haters” was spouting the “her voters will vote for him but his won’t vote for her” line.
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    Paula, that was Peggy Noonan, Reagan’s speech writer, who said this. They obviously have not spoken to many Clinton supporters, and not just us ultra-activists here. My wife, with no provocation from me, said there’s no way in hell she could support Obama.

    Earlier in the race, we both kinda said Obama would be a good presidential candidate down the road after he wasn’t so green. But now, after seeing his ugly heart, I’ll forever hold it against him.

    As for who’ll support who after Denver, why do you think even the MSM (like today on Russet Potato’s “Meet the Clinton Haters”) are wondering how Obama is going to reach out to “Reagan Dems”. Those Reagan Dems in OH, PA, FL, CA, etc. have voted for Hillary, and they like McCain but have some reservations. With Obama, they have bigger reservations, AND they don’t really like him, AND it gets worse as the weeks pass.

    And while they may agree with Obambi on Dem positions, it should be fairly obvious that Obama is not the leader, he just copies all of Clinton’s positions. ‘I’ll have what she’s having”. Then, his specious argument, “There’s hardly any difference between her and me on the positions, but EVERYBODY hates Hillary, and EVERYBODY loves me”.

  42. Idunn,

    See what you’re saying, i.e. “Do you still beat your wife?” leading & damning questions.

    Isn’t the question then one of circumstantial evidence, of whether there is NOI involvement in BO’s campaign?
    There certainly is NOI involvement with BO”s church, who gave Farrakhan an award, believe it was for lifetime achievement.
    And this is more than one staffer in question, in significant positions for BO.

    This begs for follow-up.

  43. thanks for the Bing Crosby positing. No doubt Obamaniacs would say something befitting the occasion like who the fuck is that ancient asshole, but for me it brings back a floodtide of memories.

    I love to listen to Bing Crosby…always makes me think of the 40’s. And since I wasn’t around back then, he’s kind of my link to the past. He makes me smile. In fact, if you went to one of my cd racks, you’d probably find a Bing Crosby disc next to an MC5 disc or a Phish cd. 🙂

    Relevence is what is relevent TO YOU. 🙂

  44. @AmericanGal

    “If other independent evidence surfaces then I think it’s a legitimate question.”

    I agree completely. Schlussel is a dead end for me, but if collaborating evidence appears, then hopefully the media will pounce on it.

  45. Happy Easter everybody! You know I’m thinking the reason BO & his camp are so desperate for Hill to drop out now is because they know they can’t win a floor fight at the convention in Denver. I mean if HRC has no chance at this thing then why is Plouffe attacking her character? Why wouldn’t BO just ignore Hillary?

  46. OMG wbboei!

    What a trip down memory lane for me. I am such a classic movie buff and I adored Bing Crosby, Fred Astaire, Judy Garland, et al… 🙂

  47. RGB…I love the way this commentators think they have some inside track into what HRC supporters will do in the GE if she doesn’t get the nomination.

    I don’t pretend to speak for any HRC supporter other than myself, but I wouldn’t vote for this sleazy, lying, snake oil salesman if god himself came down out of the sky at told me to.

  48. nikki22,

    Obama is also scared silly of the what the momentum could do if/when Hillary wins the next few states by big numbers.

    It goes to her electability. It goes to his false claims about just about everything.

  49. More about Meet the Fuckin Press: They go through the whole number crunching process (# of states won, popular vote, committed dels, SDs), but just kind of glide over the whole FL/MI “thing”. Even if DNC rules discount the committed dels from those two states, and have no plan for a revote, HOW CAN YOU NOT COUNT THE POPULAR VOTE IN FL/MI????

    Did DNC rules state anything about popular votes? I highly doubt it. That’s probably one of those contextual factors that will have to be taken into account if/when we hit the wall in Denver, and this winds up in the smoke filled back room:
    1. poplular vote
    2. “electability” (and this can take into account more recent developments, and momentum)
    3. etc.

    4. As far as “number of states won”, that’s like deciding a football game on number of yard instead of points. Let’s instead weigh “which states” were won. Obama’s pyrrhic victories in Pigsknuckle Red States were just running up the score to give the illusion of a campaign with mojo, because they knew they were going to lose battleground “real” states.
    5. How committed dels have been won: the caucuses have been a travesty, and the Clinton campaign I’m sure has presented the DNC (and the various states) evidence of voter intimidation, rules violations, coercion, etc. If as Dean says, the rules matter, then dels won by breaking the rules HAVE TO BE STRIPPED AWAY. Another factor for your smoke filled room.

  50. I’m thinking the reason BO & his camp are so desperate for Hill to drop out now is because they know they can’t win a floor fight at the convention in Denver. I mean if HRC has no chance at this thing then why is Plouffe attacking her character? Why wouldn’t BO just ignore Hillary?

    My thoughts exactly. Now, big wig dems might have a different reason all together for wanting her to drop out, but if Bambi and Co. didn’t think she could still be a threat, then they wouldn’t bother with her at all.

  51. When the “train wreck” occurs in this party, as predicted by Michael Goodwin (see link in first comment above), then the delegates will simply have to turn to the compromise candidate, the only other candidate in the race. Mike Gravel. Yeah, right.

    Goodwin is an Obama supporter who admits Obama has been rather weak in condemning Uncle Jerry. He further concludes that is a big problem for BHO. He then says it will also be a problem for Hillary unless she stops handling him with kid gloves. She should forcefully condemn the man. Then he concedes when she does that it will cost her a lot of AA votes in the GE.

    It seems to me he is trying to make her share the blame for what is happening in this campaign as a result of the Wright matter. Nothing new there.

  52. Idunn,
    I don’t see anything to disagree about.

    If there’s evidence that Obama is tied to the Nation of Islam – and there’s prima facie evidence there is – and that revelation combined with the Wright mess (btw, that church compared Wright’s treatment in the media this morning to a “lynching”) can put Obama down for the count, it NEEDS to be looked into and revealed. Period.

    I’d be surprised if it wasn’t in the campaign’s opp. research folder already. So now would be a good time to feed it to an enterprising reporter.

    The people of this country won’t stand for it, but they need to know…

  53. The SD are now asking this one question, and only one question….. electability. Does BO have what it takes to beat McCain??

  54. # JAS Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Does anyone have thought what Al Gore will do/not do, to help fix this mess that Howard Dean has created?
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    Gore, God Bless his Green planet-loving being, is unlikely to endorse HRC, in my humble opinion. There’s not much love from 1992-2000, when he felt that Hill had too much power (although it was widely stated that Gore was probably the most active/influential VP, that is, until we get a Dick Cheney, who is actually the commander-in-chief, pulling the strings). Also, Gore feels that Bill saddled him with Monica-gate.

    Yet Gore managed to lose the election, just like Kerry, and THAT’s what HRC’s supporters are trying to avert: nominating yet another person that will give a concession speech in early November.

  55. hey there all!

    I just came across this article that said Obama’s week could’ve been worse! Gosh! It was bad enough and it should only get worse!

    http://www.comcast.net/news/articles/politics/2008/03/23/Obama_s.Tough.Week/

    Obama’s hoping the Wright matter will go away but it shouldn’t it’s Easter. Time of togetherness and peace – but Wright’s speeches only spews of hate. I just wish people would question Obama’s judgment and trustworthy. He just goes on and lies just like a typical politican. He’s no better. Holier then thou, I think not.

  56. rgb44hrc :You are so correct on the feelings between the two. I was hoping that Gore would do what is best for the party, and demand that FL and MI be seated. Maybe Iam hoping for too much!!!

  57. Goodwin is an Obama supporter who admits Obama has been rather weak in condemning Uncle Jerry. He further concludes that is a big problem for BHO. He then says it will also be a problem for Hillary unless she stops handling him with kid gloves. She should forcefully condemn the man. Then he concedes when she does that it will cost her a lot of AA votes in the GE.

    If Hillary commented on Wright, the Obama campaign would come up with something specious to throw the attention on her. At the moment, she should leave the negative attention on him and concentrate on being positive on what she’s done and what she will do. Obama’s madly trying to draw the Clinton campaign into a fight on anything – to get it off Wright. Passports, patriotism, the weather, anything. And he tried it on McCain who just brushed it off. The Wright approach is to let Obama speak about the controversy and get himself further entwined. What’s useful is sites like this, the YouTube posters and even the right-wing sites looking into Obama’s skeletons and feeding it to the press.

    Since there’s a religious theme to the post, I’ll just add this:

    Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

    By extension, let’s include grandparents.

  58. Of course, the Obama campaign isn’t confident it can win. Why else hammer her to drop out before she wins more states? It’s an entitlement thing – Obama, with his grand total of 3.5 years of legislative experience – can’t actually prevail in a real battle with Hillary when all the cards are on the table. He is, simply, entitled to be president on the basis of his wonderfulness and Hillary might mess that up with votes from actual Democratic voters.

    Obama wants to sew up the nomination so that further Rezko/Wright/? revelations don’t kill his candidacy. Even if he has several hundred thousand more popular votes, and more delegates, the wrong piece of information will prevent him from winning the nomination. SDs aren’t going to vote for a guy who has a mob affiliate ratting him out to Patrick Fitzgerald – and be very clear, Rezko can lie and destroy Obama’s chances just as easily as he can tell the truth and destroy Obama’s chances – and if the SDs have any sense that’s what’s going on with that trial, they will not support Obama. Conversely, if Rezko is aquitted, Obama is in much better shape to grab the nomination.

    As for Bing Crosby, he was a horrible human being. Don’t get too nostalgic. He was physically and emotionally abusive (an incredibly manipulative parent) with all of his children, and they all pretty much hated him. I’ve known two of them personally and they were both deeply scarred human beings for whom the fact of their father’s popularity, was a painful and permanent irritant. Sorry to harsh the buzz, but there isn’t much there to like when all is said and done. I like a few of his movies, but it’s hard to see him the same way as I did when I was a child.

  59. Goodwin’s piec in the Daily News was good but he misses one important point. Ironically, that racism is now the number one issue in the Democratic party is exclusively the fault of the obama Campaign. They raised race in New Hampshire, in South Carolina, accusing HRC and her husband and their advisors of playing the race card and ultimately, what happened? BO is caught doing the same thing he’s criticizing everyone else for doing and then tries to get away with it by explaining how the black church is different; white people don’t understand black pastors, etc., etc. It’s exactly the same kind of hypocrisy that the PUBLIC and the VOTERS indicted Spitzer for and it’s why he had to step down from the governorship. It’s the reason Larry Craig was forced to resign his seat; his anti-gay rhetoric a shocking contrast to his actions. There is nothing quite so nauseating as those who self-righteously going around telling everyone to do what i say and not what I do. It is the sheer hypocrisy of BO’s position, added to the blatantly anti-American anti-White rhetoric of his pastor, that has come back to bite BO in the butt and I believe the people of the US, just like the people of NYS in the case of Spitzer, will not let it go. At least, that’s my prayer for this Easter.

  60. read that Obama is at an undisclosed location for a vacation until Wednesday or Thursday .. something is afoot. He’s trying to put the lid on something

  61. PJB: A Brief for Whitey
    posted by Linda
    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    How would he pull it off? I wondered.

    How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

    How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about “the U.S. of K.K.K. America,” and howled, “God damn America!”

    My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

    Yes, Barack agreed, Wright’s statements were “controversial,” and “divisive,” and “racially charged,” reflecting a “distorted view of America.”

    But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

    Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

    The “white community,” said Barack, must start “acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds … .”

    And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

    The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations.

    What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?

    Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”

    Was “white racism” really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said — that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

    Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

    This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

    Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

    Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

    Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

    Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.

    Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.

    Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

    Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

  62. Little Big Man: Bill Richardson.

    He certainly came up small in my book. He wants to think he’s got heft (okay, he’s hefty), but the only Hispanic voter whose mind his endorsement changes is his own.

    I believe this might be his line of thinking: Hillary’s a little behind BO, so it’s too risky to back her. Why not back BO, do him the big favor (especially at a crucial time when his candidacy is faltering under the weight of Wright/Rezo). If BO wins the nomination, and repays him with the veep spot (Obama would need a Richardson as veep more then Hillary), Richardson can then do some half-hearted campaiging a la John Edwards in 2004, and after Dems lose this time, he’d be one of the front runners in 2012. With all his creds, he was not generating a lot of buzz, but as Veep-nominee, it would be a nice feather in his cap.

    But one thing to note is the TIMIING. His backing Barack would have had much greater impact one month ago. So if an endorsement falls in the woods and no one give a f*ck, did it really happen???

  63. rgb,
    Richardson made his decision long ago and coordinated with the BO camp to make the announcement when they needed it.
    It is totally a beltway story (though it helped BO change the subject this week), and I don’t think anyone gives a hoot.

    If Richardson had any real weight, he would have gotten votes.

  64. dot, where did you read about Obambi taking a few days off? I agree, that’s a bit odd.

    Is he trying to convey the impression of the “comfortable front runner”, who’s got it all sewn up? If that’s one of the aspects, it confirms my convictions that he is too arrogant for my tastes.

    Is he is exhausted physically and emotional from fighting against his first real opponent (he’s had a series of cake walks so far).

    Do we really want another president who’ll try to give W. a run for the money in leading the league in vacation time?

  65. For BO going to the Virgin Islands represents the closest thing
    he has to foreign policy credentials.

  66. Obama taking a few days off?

    Pick one of the following:

    1/ Meltdown and more meltdown.

    2/ You really hate me! You really do!

    3/ Denial! Denial! Denial!

    4/ His handlers are doing damage control big time!

    5/ His handlers are going to go after Hillary with everything including the kitchen sink. No comments from him for a few days, so their insults will permeate for a while. He’ll come back and apologize when it is too late to make any difference.

  67. news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080323/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

    he won’t return to active campaigning till Wednesday .. in N.C.

  68. wonder how long the NC stop has been scheduled? Wonder if he’s secretly simply courting Edwards and saying he is vacationing?

  69. Wbboei. Good points.
    There was a film out a couple of years ago by a African filmmaker, Roger Gnoan M’Bala’s “Adanggaman,” who takes an honest look at the slave trade and the reality of African involvement in and promotion of it. Without Africans selling their fellow Africans the slave trade would never have existed to the extent it did. Today, in Africa, similar enslavement and genocide occurs between warring African tribes.

    Unfortunately, slavery is a part of human history. It has existed everywhere, in every century since the beginnings of civilization. While that can never excuse the practice, it is proof that no one particular group has a monopoly on the injustices caused by slavery. Some (and I am one of them) would say trafficking in women is an even more insidious form of slavery.

    There is not a heck of a lot of difference between one group’s oppression and another’s. It’s all disgusting, but one group does not have a stranglehold on the effects, the hardships, the devastation of slavery, especially when those issues have been so widely addressed in a country which has been charged with enslaving them. I’ve always wondered what would have been the fate of people if they’d stayed in Africa.

    In any case, here is a link to the film and an excerpt from Stanley Crouch’s review of it.

    /www.racematters.org/sctruthafricanslavetrading.htm
    Precisely who was responsible for the slave trade is a hot topic these days. Africans themselves are busy changing our image of the central role Africa played.
    This is much to the good.
    A remarkable African film about the subject is Roger Gnoan M’Bala’s “Adanggaman,” showing at the Film Forum until tomorrow. The human complexity of the characters gives tragic dimension to the tale of Africans enslaving other Africans or selling them to Europeans.
    But M’Bala’s is just one of several voices rising to reexamine some of our long-held myths about Africa’s clean hands. Revelations on “60 Minutes” about contemporary African slavery, for instance, recently drew the Rev. Al Sharpton to Sudan. Such openness has been a long time coming.
    In the mid ’60s, as the civil rights movement went into decline, American black nationalists began to depict Africa as a paradise lost. Africa was the great motherland, distorted by white people and denied by Negroes who had been taught to hate themselves — their color, their hair, their national origin. The slave trade, we were told, was imposed by whites.
    This vision took hold in the early black studies departments on college campuses. And by the time Alex Haley’s “Roots” told its plagiarized tale on television, Americans were given to believe that the slave trade was kept going by white men bagging Africans in the bush. The simpleminded vision of good guys and bad guys was established — the very vision now under serious siege.

  70. i cannot understand why the gallup would have him going back ahead of Hillary. I still think these polls are being manipulated. I also understand that he is going to attack Hillary hard next 4 weeks in Pa.

    Please phone bank if you can. Personal touch with the people who we can steer away from the lies that are going to be put out over the airwaves. It’s going to get very dirty, dirtier than it already is, he knows PA is Hillary country and he wants to destroy her there…along with the DNC bunch who is out to get her as well.

  71. One or two debates?

    When I last saw, one debate was scheduled, and the second (to be held by CBS) was already accepted by Obama, but Hillary was yet to confirm?

    Anyone know the latest?

    As for debates, the absolute best thing that you can say about BO is that he has gone from being a terrible debater to “much improved from terrible”. With Hillary, I have been so impressed by how she handles debates, tough questions, unfair scenarios, unfair questioning, and demontrates leadership and that she is an extremely knowledgable person. From my viewpoint, the best qualified to lead the country.

    Nuff sed.

  72. HAPPY EASTER HILLFANS! enjoy easter dinner with your families. i have to work this eve but i would like to wish well to my hilaryis44 family!

  73. someone on TM posted – Mark Halperin notes – thepage.time.com/2008/03/23/obama-shes-just-trying-to-tear-me-down-and-thats-not-the-kind-of-politics-weve-been-about/

    Obama: “She’s Just Trying to Tear Me Down, and That’s Not the Kind of Politics We’ve Been About”

    Blames Clinton for negative turn of race, but apparently missed his own campaign manager talking about Clinton on Friday conference call, where David Plouffe said there’s a “real character gap” and she has a “history of misleading voters.”

    Plouffe also said about her: “The American people simply are not going elect someone that they believe is not being honest and trustworthy.”

  74. Happy Easter to all

    Hope everyone has a great day. I am taking the day off. Internet=Not!

    But I will send along a funny article:

    http://www.ocregister.com

    “So Much For the ‘Post-Racial’ Candidate” by Mark Steyn

    Hve fun!

  75. ininla .. why does her campaign simply not get out and lay these lies out and call them.

    Demand they show a “history of misleading voters:

    Demand they show that she is not honest and trustworthy:

  76. B Merry…just want to say thank you for putting the Building A Religion video on your blog. It’s incredibly effective at making it’s point in no uncertain terms. And, it’s…well…just hip. And scary. Really scary.

    🙂

  77. Or is he just saying it? In which case, he’s profoundly wicked. If you understand that AIDS is spread by sexual promiscuity and drug use, you’ll know that it’s within your power to protect yourself from the disease. If you’re told that it’s just whitey’s latest cunning plot to stick it to you, well, hey, it’s out of your hands, nothing to do with you or your behavior.

    What’s funny is that whites are now comfortable with criticizing Obama on race without the fear of being called a racist as they’re just using variants of stuff that he himself has said. Of course the Clintons and Farraro were sharply criticized at even the hint about talking about race which probably kept the press cowed. I don’t think that Obama meant to open up the third-rail but I guess anything to distract from Wright was worth a try.

    Buchnanan’s article is an example – though maybe Buchanan isn’t shy about this to begin with. If Obama wants to open up a conversation, well, he did. And now he has to answer for it. To both blacks and whites. To those of us that are neither, it’s always looked like a pretty odd dance.

  78. Obama: “She’s Just Trying to Tear Me Down, and That’s Not the Kind of Politics We’ve Been About”

    Right, he can’t take criticism.

    Lately, though, there hasn’t really been any criticism from the Clinton of McCain camps. Obama’s doing it to himself.

  79. I have been saying since December …..that we lose when we lose the center of the party…..every time. 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988 as recent examples. An even better example is Adlai Stevenson running against Eisenhower not once but twice in the 1950s….got hammered both times. Adlai was the favorite of the hugely liberal, anti-war intelligentsia.

    If BO is the nominee, we will lose the centrists which will mean that we will lose the election. We lost centrist dems (reagan democrats) for 12 years after 1980. We didn’t get them back until bill clinton ran in 1992 as as centrist – blowing off he DNC and starting the DLC.

    This has been my concern for a long time. The exit polls have inrcreasingly been showing this trend. This needs to be our narrative. He can’t win the GE. He doesn’t have the base of the party.

  80. The real struggle of our time is not about race, it is about class. It is about the impact of globalization on Americans, whether competition from other countries will undermine our standard of living, whether we can hang together and fight as a nation and what obligations if any do we owe to our fellow citizens. There is no color line in this stuggle.

    The wealthy people in this country-many of them at least are now telling us that they are citizens of the world. This is a subtle change with monumental implications. In Barack they find the perfect general who will fire on his own troops for them. He will protect their interests while the middle class goes to hell. This campaign has shown that he will play the race card and the generational conflict card whenever it suits his purpose.

    The African American community needs to reflect upon their support for this guy. The fling is fine but what about the morning after? The question they should ponder is why he of all people is proposing a trillion dollars aid to Africa when the money could be used right here in the inner city. Part of it will be humanitarian and I do not object to that. But what about the rest? Is he seeking to advance the trade interests of his supporters, and to be a global hero? If so then that is great for his ego, the Goose Island crowd etc but what about the rest of us? Lest he forget it is our money and our future that is at stake here.

    More people now are beginning to realize what we on this site have long known: that the only leader who can address the great challenge of our time is Hillary Clinton. Her future and our future are as one.

  81. Steyn is pretty funny:

    To do this, Obama promoted a false equivalence. “I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother,” he continued. “A woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street.” Well, according to the way he tells it in his book, it was one specific black man on her bus, and he wasn’t merely “passing by.”

    When the British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan dumped some of his closest Cabinet colleagues to extricate himself from a political crisis, the Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe responded: “Greater love hath no man than to lay down his friends for his life.” In Philadelphia, Sen. Obama topped that: Greater love hath no man than to lay down his grandma for his life.

  82. Dot – I think Phil Singer, Clinton spokesperson, did push back in a press call re: BO negative campaigning – the press is just not covering much.

    re: the press – it’s so ironic about the words “bamboozled,” “hoodwinked” – but I can’t believe this is what the press is doing to the electorate.

  83. The question they should ponder is why he of all people is proposing a trillion dollars aid to Africa when the money could be used right here in the inner city. Part of it will be humanitarian and I do not object to that. But what about the rest? Is he seeking to advance the trade interests of his supporters, and to be a global hero? If so then that is great for his ego, the Goose Island crowd etc but what about the rest of us? Lest he forget it is our money and our future that is at stake here.

    You know, I had an argument with someone about this just last night. Here’s what I said the them: “I have no problem with America giving to other countries when we are in a POSITION to do so, but right now, we need to concentrate on fixing our own house. If my own kids were starving, I wouldn’t be handing the grocery money to the neighbors kids. “

  84. Obama campaign running the no lobbyists in my WH ads in Philadelphia area. Like voters really care about that right now. Keep wasting those millions Bambi the local economy can use it.

  85. The real struggle of our time is not about race, it is about class. It is about the impact of globalization on Americans, whether competition from other countries will undermine our standard of living, whether we can hang together and fight as a nation and what obligations if any do we owe to our fellow citizens.

    Agreed.

    I know an ardent Obama supporter who’s well educated and Indian and he understands class issues. But he has faith and hope that Obama will be able to fix all of the problems in the US. When I tell him that his emotions are irrational, he says that he knows that and that he worries that it is a cult. So he knows that he’s potentially drinking the kool-aid. When you think that your guy walks on water and he then shows that he doesn’t – you’re in for one huge letdown.

    The main liberal blog in my area is gung-ho for Obama. Even though Hillary soundly beat him in the area. Median household income is pretty low and there’s a significant asian and latino component of the population. I’m only assuming that there are many in the latte crowd on the blogs that are out of touch with the average person.

    There is no color line in this struggle.

    Unfortunately some need a color line for their own means.

  86. Unfortunately some need a color line for their own means.

    We call that the politics of grievance .

    corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmY2YWQ1OGQyYjkxMzIxZWU3MjA5MGMwYzg1N2FiMjc=

  87. WHY ARE OBAMA SUPPORTERS QUIVERING?

    Frank Rich’s article in today’s NYTimes is yet another indication Obama supporters fearing their candidate can’t win in November.

    They have constantly stated that he’s going to win the nomination and the GE because:
    1. he’s more electable/lovable
    2. he’s less divisive than HRC
    3. he’s got more mojo / momentum
    4. he’s won “more state”, “red states”, the popular vote (if you don’t count FL/MI_
    5. he’ll beat McCain because he’ll win Independents, red voters, while keeping the blue voters
    6. etc.

    So why are they so nervous. The coronation awaits. Yet from Rich’s column today, he ends it with a call for “party unity” (which is code phrase for “Hillary Must Quite, NOW”):

    Unless Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton find a way to come together for the good of their country as well as their party, no speech by either of them may prevent Mr. McCain from making his second unlikely resurrection in a single political year.
    ***************

    So what is it? Can’t your candidate live up to the puffed up image you want everyone to believe? Or was that all hype, a “fairy tale”? That Obama still has to weather another five turbulent months until Denver, somehow survive, pretend that his image hasn’t been too tarnished, and then go up against a unified Republican party with a vastly more experienced candidate, all the while losing “core Dems” and “Reagan Dems” and battleground states.

    Good luck.

  88. Ann- the history of the Reagan democrats speaks volumes – I’m just wondering when the narrative for the press is finally going to change, when is SOMEONE going to finally say, BO is unelectable?

  89. IMO all the DNC seems worried about is the black vote. How about the white vote, the women, the seniors, the asian, the middle class, the latino. It’s the mantra on tv..well if he has more pledged delegates and even though he has not won the important states .. well, we’ll just worry about the black vote. They are going to be in for a rude awakening.

  90. A comment from an Obamaton on the Building A Religion youtube comment section:

    Obama Rocks, he will be the best president in 50 years, but this vid is awesome and smart. Ya, the cult is forming aroung Obama. Get on board or get left behind. cool song too.

    Ummm…so they KNOW they are part of cult, and they’re good with that? Okie doke.

  91. What a fine obituary for Bill Richardson:

    All props to Ed Rendell. He made mincemeat out of Bill Richardson, who will go down in history as the only rat to jump ON a sinking ship. Bill’s vanity showed thru clearly: “Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton….what about the rest of us?” Gov. Rendell was fully armed with the facts and with a reasonable, good-humored delivery.

  92. Juan Williams on Fox News Sunday – mentioning Reagan democrats – that if BO loses them, then it will be a game changer in NC.

    Brit Humes saying that Wright issue will continue because it raises issue about who is Obama, says that BO has vacillated all over the place on his stance on Iraq – and that these postures he’s struck is supported by his actions.

  93. Another comment on the video:

    Obama has brought hope and united the races.
    I was at a campaign meeting,black,white, all colors in one room, together for a common purpose.

    Maybe we should have elected Jim Jones POTUS when we had the chance, eh? He united blacks, whites and hispanics for one common purpose too. 🙄

    Seriously, can there really BE so many retarded citizens of this country?

  94. All props to Ed Rendell. He made mincemeat out of Bill Richardson, who will go down in history as the only rat to jump ON a sinking ship.

    Congrats wbboie…this is the first post on Big Pink that actually made me choke on my coffee. 🙂

  95. Ummm…so they KNOW they are part of cult, and they’re good with that? Okie doke.

    There are a lot of smart, upper-class folks along for the ride with Obama. I assume that they’re part of the white-guilt crowd. I see a lot of college kids supporting Obama too. Maybe they like the cocaine aspect of Obama’s campaign. Errr, religion.

  96. what is pelosi doing in tibet, hahahaha.. funny.. 🙂 chinese shopkeepers were murdered in tibet and she is blaming chinese… and they told her to Just shut her mouth… 🙂

  97. Good afternoon Hillfans. RezkoWatch is piling on today. Please spread the wealth.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/obamas-rezko-lot-obama-is-one-lucky.html

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/follow-money-obamas-tainted-campaign.html

  98. The phrase is “damaged soiled goods”, those 50 superdelegates he said had announcing endorsement of him the week of Ohio and Florida, hmm where r they?

    If Obama had it in the bag, the SD’s would have killed Hillary by now, it seems they are holding fire.

  99. @dot48, right.. she has to get as much as 65% of vote in PA so that she will have lead in popular vote by the time the remaining 10 primaries are over..

  100. dot48 Says:

    March 23rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    IMO all the DNC seems worried about is the black vote. How about the white vote, the women, the seniors, the asian, the middle class, the latino. It’s the mantra on tv..well if he has more pledged delegates and even though he has not won the important states .. well, we’ll just worry about the black vote. They are going to be in for a rude awakening.
    *****************************************************
    The DNC all they call about is their own power and using the Black Vote to get there. I understand Donna Brazile thinking that Obama is their best chance for that dream but Obama is NOT worthy of that trust and sooner rather than later he will destroy what took decades to build.

    Obama has identity issues and he is anit-American in that radical hard left way that is cloaked under the guise of an IVY League education. The more you read about his background, his mother’s issue about her family and their history and the times she grew up in…this man has “red flags” all around him.

    I grew up with these guys and they never change their core beliefs but I didn’t mind because they were never going to be POTUS and now we have this “SLEEPER” being pushed by the Democratic elites and DNC. This guy is dangerous, you don’t have a New Black Panther Party recruitment link on your presidential campaign website and still be the frontrunner of the free world.

    C’mon this is who Obama is, he is not Martin Luther King Jr., Not Jone Lewis, Not Jessie Jackson, Not John F. Kennedy or Bobbie but his own self who is very, very ambitious and is using the politics of HATE cloaked under the politics of HOPE and CHANGE.

    If Obama was ready to Throw his Grandmother under the bus, he’ll do the same thing to Blacks, Latinos, Asians, whoever, whatever for his own power and greed.

  101. I think people are really underestimating the damage Wright and his shit have done.

    I think Obama is in for a big shock by the time PA comes around.

  102. Since BO won’t be campaigning until mid-week and in North Carolina, does anyone think, Edwards will come out to endorse him?

  103. As for that “typical white person”….it is global! He did not say “typical white Americaan person”

    t
    White people in many countries!!!!

    so he gave them all the finger!

  104. Has anybody heard from that “typical white dinosaur – Kennedy” since last 10 days!

    Has he died? Has his spine comepletely gone?

  105. i was wondering y’day where is ted kennedy… haven’t seen him on TV lately.. what happened to him..

  106. birdgal, let’s hope not. Also, who else thinks we need another massive MONEY DROP like we did in February. I know we are all pitching in but it seems like to big money drops had an explosive effect…

    I’m in if we can get Admin to start off say Tuesday with the headline or something.

    I asked if anyone knew whether bambi’s schedule had been Wednesday in NC for a while or just a change. it’s most likely wash to try to get mutterings started that he’ll be there to get JE endorsement. You know that camp

    Anyone know when Hillary will be in NC.

  107. Bill Richardson gaffes are something to watch. The Dude thinks he is line to BO for the second coming!

    Sorry Bill…Antonio Villagorosa, Fabian Nunez, and mayor of Miami are upcoming Latino politicians waiting to kiss your silly ass rendering you insignificant!

  108. When Villagorasa runs for governor of CA, I will vote for him. He has been a staunch supporter for Hillary, and campaigned for her, not only in Ca, but also in Texas.

    I hope, JE has more integrity than Richardson. We’ll see.

  109. birdgal – i think they’ll be a couple Clinton supporters running for Governor – Villaraigosa and Gavin Newson.

  110. Idunn:

    The tiny weeny muscle left in the wobbly spine that let him do some whispers!

    but I guess Teddy and his son in RI must be drowning in there with their whiskey bottles!

  111. I’m sorry but my Mayor has big problem keeping his pants on and made the big mistake in dumping his wife and kids and running off to the mistress…yike!!!

    His wife was the popular one in the family and my Latina friends are still not happy with him…Antonio Villarogosa has many problems but he’s been a good foot soldier for Hillary maybe he can get good job in the government.

    But Governor, I don’t know if he has the votes to keep his mayor job.

  112. Ya gotta hand it to the Big Dog (Bill Clinton), he knows how to work the semantics game:

    “I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country.”
    &&&&&&

    Here, his hypothetical lets the listener infer that he’s talking about Hillary and McCain, and lets the listener infer that Obama may not be all that. And he gets McPeak for a “personal foul”, for giving too harsh of a rejoinder, about the McCarthy tactics.

    And technically, hasn’t Obama been less about having a discussion about what’s good for the country, and all about Me Me Me? And hasn’t Michelle Obama said that she hasn’t been proud of this country until only recently? And didn’t they continue to participate in a very divisive church for 20 years?

    It’s well known that John McCain gets along famously with the Senator from NY, drinking shots of vodka, talking policy. And that McCain has a deep disliking for the freshman Senator from Illinois, still wet behind the ears DC experience-wise.

    So the campaing between McCain / Clinton is much more likely to be a “good discussion”, and that McCain / Owhats-his-face is more likely to be a “war”.

  113. B Merry…maybe I’m not reading the article correctly, but is the gist of it that Sreenan contributed cash that Obama didn’t report?

    If that’s the case, the only reason he would bother to make it public knowledge NOW is because he KNOWS someone else knows about it.

    Or am I just having a reading comprehension problem here?

  114. dot48. MONEY DROP Indeed. Yesterday, NYTimes had a good article on the little people that starting donating to the Clinton campaign after super Tuesday, when it became apparent that the big donors were all tapped out, that Hill was running low on dough (and had to lend herself 5 cool ones), and that Obama continues to be well funded by upper class internet idiots who won’t be too bad off if Obama loses in November.

    Neither candidate can lock up the nomination, so it’s all posturing and a long fight until Denver.

    I believe I have another $25.44 burning a hole in my wallet.

    I loved the hillaryclinton.com web site when they had the counter running. Let’s do it again!

  115. Well, I guess the L.A. and S.F. mayors have had their own problems with keeping “it” in their pants. Neither one of them have stellar records in that regard. Newsom may be too liberal for the southern part of the state.

  116. has anyone noticed that the website http://www.hillaryclinton.com has been having difficulties? Im worried about what this means (I know it could mean higher then normal traffic) someone here said be prepared for March 28th, anyone know what that means?

  117. And one more thing on that Bill R dude’s party unity pony show and healing nonsense.

    I am not getting on this party unity ASS show over the concern of the country’s national security issue with BO as the nominee! Not even if Hillary or Bill Clinnton begged me!

  118. Idunn, the point is that things just happen to go Obama’s way .. he’s a lucky fellow. Rezko, Sreenan, Preckwinkle (who got Alice Palmer out of the way) everyone just happens to pave the way for him.

  119. I think the website is running a bit slower due to the rolling testimonials and the high traffic.

    MONEY BOMB TUESDAY FOLKS????

    $25.44 the ticket. I can find that much more .. first of the month coming shortly.

    I’d like Hillary to see a big chunk come in on Tuesday .. don’t know why Tuesday but a nagging feeling for Tuesday.

  120. I cannot believe that so many of the OBAMA cult followers think he is a shoo-in for the president roll.Poor lost meatheads.The GOP ashad this planned sinc before Hillary announced.They were and are afraid of Hillary and know that she would and can beat McCain like RUG.The RNC has pumped money into the MSM advertising,programming,talking heads,wanna-be’s and race baiters.OBAMA’s lovefest with himself and his skills on reading a Teleprompter,have led him to the edge of the cliff.The RNC wants him to have the DNC nomination,and then they give him the final shove.BYE BYE, Sen. UNITER.REZKO can’t help,he is in the SLAMMER. Read my lips Barack!!

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”

    By ABM90

  121. Some people just don’t know when to shut their mouths.

    I’m offended, comparing Wright to Jesus now, what next.

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/23/in-eastor-sermon-trinity-united-pastor-compares-rev-wright-to-jesus/

    In Easter Sermon, New Obama Pastor Charges Rev. Wright Victim of ‘Lynching’

    In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III never mentioned Wright by name, but implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its “state-sponsored terrorism,” is facing the same challenges Jesus did.”No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching,” Moss said.

    N

  122. mp Says:

    March 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
    And one more thing on that Bill R dude’s party unity pony show and healing nonsense.

    I am not getting on this party unity ASS show over the concern of the country’s national security issue with BO as the nominee! Not even if Hillary or Bill Clinnton begged me!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I agree!

  123. It is not just Wright that is a wacko, his whole freaking church is. The new pastor compared the media treatment of Wright with that of Jesus at the hands of the Romans and on today of all days!! First wright compares Obama to Jesus and now this neww ass compares Wright to Jesus. Spread it around.

    The new pastor of Barack Obama’s church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus’ death at the hands of the Romans.

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/23/in-eastor-sermon-trinity-united-pastor-compares-rev-wright-to-jesus/

  124. B Merryfield:

    Um.. do you think Gov Blagevovich will be indicted before June? He is an SD for BO!

    Perhaps that is why they want a SD meeting in June to nominnate BO – before anything happens to IL GOV and other IL people/SDs

  125. Idunn ..

    Oh, by the way, according to the Chicago Sun-Times Rezko was the longtime head of Preckwinkle’s campaign-finance committee. Six of Rezko’s troubled housing projects were in Preckwinkle’s ward.”

    mp .. don’t know what’s going to happen with Blago when, but it sure looks like he’s done sooner or later.

  126. moononpluto,

    Obama church is teaching hate wrapped up with the body of the church. It happens all the time with hate groups. Why is there this denial to call it what it is? HATE pure and simple…every group has these extreme groups that preach this crap…from right to left…they are in this country.

    Tim McVie bombed that Federal Building in Oklahoma in the 90’s. The weatherman in the 60’s, Patty Hearst and the SLA shoot-out in the 70’s, Jim Jones and the People’s Church (in LA and I knew many of the members that died), KKK, Aryan Nation, NBPP and others. You can go on the internet and see these HATE GROUPS websites and on College Campuses.

    What I find dangereous about Obama is his close ties to some of these groups and we know they are a big influence in his campaign and helping it. New Black Panther Party recruitment link on his Campaign Website was no accident.

  127. >.New Black Panther Party recruitment link on his Campaign Website was no accident

    well caroline kennedy is in PA encouraginh voter registration on behalf of obama.. my question is do kennedies know about obama’ connection NBPP and support of farah khan to obama, yes they must be knowing atleast by now.. still, if caroline kennedy is in PA registering voters for obama, who do you blame.. you don’t blame NBPP or you don’t blame farah khan or you don’t blame wright… just you have to blame yourselves…

  128. why do you blame obama, wright, NBPP, farah khan, NOI… when kennedies still support obama despite aware of all these things…

  129. Wbboei,

    “The real struggle of our time is not about race, it is about class.”

    If by the term ‘class’ you mean economic status, I agree.

    Perhaps part of the reason for my recent misanthropy is that ‘class’ i.e.’ financial’ issues have hit me especially hard because of an unexpected and unforeseen health crisis that has forced me out of a job, out of a house, into the cheapest place I could find to live while I recover, and I have been reminded not only of my own frailty and weakness, but also of how fortunate I am to have had a job that had a union which mandated health insurance. I was equally fortunate to have taken out an income disability policy offered by the union which is the only way I’ve managed to keep my head above water during the recuperation.

    Health care IS a class issue. You get it if you’ve very rich or below the poverty line. The rest of us either have to be fortunate enough to never get sick, have a job with decent insurance coverage, or face bankruptcy. This is infuriating for the majority of Americans who work all their lives, not asking for much beyond a certain self-sufficiency, the capacity to sustain oneself and one’s family while inflicting the least harm on others, and the chance to lead an independent life.

    Like I said, I have been very lucky, despite the health problems, because I had a fallback position. Many of the people I correspond with on several medical sites haven’t been so lucky. They have to fight tooth and nail for benefits they have paid for their entire lives. They have to be humiliated by government agencies whose main goal is to deny benefits for as long as possible with the goal of making people give up.

    So I’m a little tired of hearing about what African Americans demand as their due, from insistence on reparations to subsidies for schooling, when those of us who support the systems that offer the means to support them, from affirmative action programs to free-breakfast, lunch and after-school problems are hung out to dry and told to rely on ourselves.

    Like I said, I’ve been lucky, if you consider leaving home at 17, never having had a penny of support, working 2 and 3 jobs to get through college, which took MANY years, lucky. Ironically, I spent 20 years working with poor kids and their families and during that time the attitude have degenerated from gratitude and eagerness to learn into a sense that everything should be given to them.

    Before another dime is sent to Africa or any other country, before another penny is spent helping the ‘third world’, the absolute first priority of this country should be its own citizens, especially those who have paid into and supported the system and never taken a dime of “THEIR” money out of it and yet can’t get a helping hand, even after decades of public service.

  130. >.Before another dime is sent to Africa or any other country, before another penny is spent helping the ‘third world’, the absolute first priority of this country should be its own citizens, especially those who have paid into and supported the system and never taken a dime of “THEIR” money out of it and yet can’t get a helping hand, even after decades of public service.

    ohh yeah obama want to give away 120 billion USD every year to AFRICA… bu don’t want universal health care for US citizens…

  131. Jit:

    I think you are a Republican dude here!

    While you keep on bashing BO, you do not support Hillary either!

  132. a TM blogger responding to what I said about Richardson adds more depth to my analysis.

    wbboei | 03.23.2008 – 06:58 am |

    The spanish radio stations have not been so generous. I cannot even repeat what many callers have said about Richardson’s endorsement. You think we get hot in here? (LOL)

    The gist is that Richardson stabbed a family member in the back and many Hispanics feel that Richardson made them look like that “other group” that turned on Hillary.

    So, we can now add Hispanics to the growing list of constituencies that BO has p’d off.

    Women, whites, elderly, Hispanics, those earning $50,000 or less, muslims, churchgoers that attend churches that preach love not hate.

    Have I left anyone out?

    Barack Obama really is a unifier – he is unifying people against him.

    LChris | 03.23.2008 – 07:12 am | #

  133. Hillary in Greensburg PA on tues.Don’t look for much Media coverage.The Tribune Review there is owned by RICHARD MELLON SCAIFE.HE BANKROLLED the KEN STARR persecution of Bill and Hillary.Remember ? Whitewater,Paula Jones,Travelgate,Fostergate.The most disgusting RNC attempt to take over our country and it keeps going on and on with their hand picked sacrificial young and naive lamb..OBAMA the cliff is coming on fast.

    America,PROTEST by supporting HILLARY.

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO SAVE OUR VILLAGE ”

    By ABM90

  134. Caroline Kennedy is ALL wrapped up in her Father and Mother Legacy. I don’t think she even heard about the New Black Panther Party link and Obama gives a good game for “white liberals” who buy into his east coast IVY League Education b.s.

    Remember Obama is running four campaigns right now:
    1.Democrats intellectuals and elites
    2.African Americans—support the “brotha”
    3.Clinton Haters and the opportunists
    4.Radical Hard Lefts of all strips

  135. >.I think you are a Republican dude here

    republicans are patriotic while atleast 50% of dems are not.. that is the fact 🙂
    you can understand that easily when you see republican john mccain and dem front runner obama

  136. mp,’
    jithendra has supported Hillary since I’ve been logging on.

    I believe his 4:07 comment was meant as sarcasm.

  137. teamclinton08, that’s great! let’s work hard to ensure Clinton wins there!

    Do you all think the Wright issue is over like Obama is trying to make it over? The big media but Fox all is saying over over and over

  138. And another example of I Love Bill Richardson from a blogger at TM.

    LChris, that does not surprise me about the reaction to Richardson’s endorsement. Even though one sees this stereotype about Hispanics overplayed, it is undeniable that for many, loyalty to family is paramount. Remember how the media vilified that Tejana activist who said Hispanics won’t support Obama because of the way black politicians took the Hispanic vote for granted, but never delivered when it came time to address the community’s needs? This move by Richardson just proves her point, and whether the media like it or not, many Hispanics will not forgive Richardson for what they perceive as a dishonorable betrayal against Clinton, whom they have adopted into their families.

    The only thing we need to remember about Richardson is that huge billboard he commissioned in Times Square to promote NM tourism. It wasn’t a picture of the gorgeous landscape, or of a cultural event. It was a huge picture of his face. That pretty much sums up what Richardson thinks of himself, and why he went for Obama. He has been trying to cultivate his own celebrity status for years, and he simply went for the person who has been most successful in that regard.
    IzzyVT | 03.23.2008 – 07:26 am | #

  139. Hilarious, this new Sermon by Obama’s new pastor has lit the flame again, people are furious over him comparing Wright suffering to that of Jesus, how to dig a hole and keep digging and we didnt even have to hand him the shovel.

  140. I guess now we know why Obama was not going to be in the pews for this Easter sermon, he probably read it in advance.

  141. The criticism surrounding Wright has not softened the services at Trinity United Church of Christ, where Obama has been a congregant for 20 years. Instead, Moss defiantly defended their method of worship, referencing rap lyrics to make his point.”If I was Ice Cube I’d say it a little differently — ‘You picked the wrong folk to mess with,’” Moss said to an enthusiastic congregation, standing up during much of the sermon, titled “How to Handle a Public Lynching.”

    Cool. So this means that Obama is going to leave Trinity, right?

    I don’t understand why they call Wright a prophet. What has he predicted and when did it come to pass?

  142. @dot48.. i read from NYT that she is in PA… NYT endorsed hillary… but when you look at the news they publish.. every article points out clinton’ -ves or clinton’ odds how she might not win nomination… but never mention about florida or michigan revote… well i can understand arabs are working in NYT…

  143. well, policitally correct Obama didn’t dare darken the door at that church today.. hear he is maybe in the “virgin islands” LOL

  144. someone here said be prepared for March 28th, anyone know what that means?

    That was me that said that, and it’s going to be a VERY good period for her. Look for signs of master strategy and brilliant advisors. Not just good advisors…brilliant advisors. 🙂

    Oh, by the way, according to the Chicago Sun-Times Rezko was the longtime head of Preckwinkle’s campaign-finance committee. Six of Rezko’s troubled housing projects were in Preckwinkle’s ward.”

    Que casualidad , no? And how many of them were in Bambi’s district? 7? 8?

  145. Idunn, why do you say that? You got me suspicious, lol 🙂 Im dying for good news for Hillary

  146. OMG, the amount of comments all over the net about this new sermon by Moss on today of all days has pissed off people big time.

    I mean what will it take for people to dump bambi en mass, i think its getting to critical mass. This bringing Jesus into it might just have done it.

  147. OMG, the amount of comments all over the net about this new sermon by Moss on today of all days has pissed off people big time.

    I hope someone posts videos of the Moss sermons on the web. We could call them Wright part 2.

  148. @idunn.. here you go

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/23/in-eastor-sermon-trinity-united-pastor-compares-rev-wright-to-jesus/comment-page-4/#comments

  149. We picked the wrong folk to F**K with! WTF!!!!!!

    Is there a transcript or a clip, yet?

    Talk about ‘audacity,” and throwing in a reference to ice Cube (who the F**K is he – and doesn’t he have a REAL name?) to make the ‘typical white people’ quake in their boots.

    About Hispanic-black relations; In the school system where I spent the past 7 years there was total warfare between the two groups.
    The most publicized incident was a Hispanic homeless man who was beaten to death by AA students on the last day of school around 2003, just because he was there and he was Hispanic. I have never lived in CA but from what I understand the gang breakdown is the same as in the east and divided along ethnic lines with AA’s and Latinas being at one another’s throats.

  150. You can be guaranteed if the religious right didn’t go apeshit over the last set of comments with Wright, this one bringing Jesus into it is going to go down like the Hindenburg, in a massive ball of exploding fire.

  151. “If I was Ice Cube I’d say it a little differently — You picked the wrong folk to mess with,” Moss said to an enthusiastic congregation, standing up during much of the sermon.

    Ooooohh…I don’t know about you guys, but now I’m really scared. 🙄

  152. Ice cube is a musical artist. I”m not privvy to his personal life, and I don’t really care about it, to be honest. But let’s not start casting aspersions at anything and everyone folks. Seriously. That’s just BS.

  153. WTF, How the hell did Ice Cube get in this??

    Batshit Crazy minister #2 mentioned his name in the sermon this morning. 🙄

  154. call me crazy, but isn’t the whole point of a convention to nominate a candidate? shouldn’t they be campaigning right up to the convention forthe good of the party?

    If Gravel and Supergirl were to quit now, why not disenfranchise all the remaining states including PA, NC, WV and so on, in addition to FL and MI, cancel the convention- since the thing is decided in advance, and use all the money we save to send every remaining member of the democratic party a copy of Obama’s little red book.

  155. if there is a so-called mini-convention by superdelegates they need to also to address both Florida and Michigan because there will be a backlash in both states should it continue to be that they wont count the delegates that Hillary’s won in both states

  156. From Taylor Marsh:

    “The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday.

    Analysis Corp. President John Brennan, shown here in 2004, advises Barack Obama, a source tells CNN.

    John O. Brennan, president and CEO of the Analysis Corp., advises the Illinois Democrat on foreign policy and intelligence issues, the source said.

    Brennan briefed the media on behalf of the campaign this month.

    The executive is a former senior CIA official and former interim director of the National Counterterrorism Center. … ..

    Chief of firm involved in breach is Obama adviser

    Don’t you just love that headline. John McCain will have a good old time with this story.

    … and good grief. The guy even advises Obama on foreign policy and intelligence issues. Lovely.”

  157. While sweeping the driveway, I had the thought that Obama won’t be able to attend any church now unless it’s far away from the spotlight. Perhaps that’s the reason for the hiatus. If he goes to Trinity, the members might be upset at him for the publicity and for trashing Wright, and indirectly, the congregation. If he goes somewhere else, they’ll ask him if he’s dumping Trinity.

    I think that Moss’ sermon will keep Wright alive in the press.

  158. so… any notice Obama, who is soooooooo devotely christian, despite his muslim ancestry, not to imply that he is muslim which I would never do because of course he is christian since thats what it says in his little red book- but this christian man, devotely christian man, skipped church on Easter Sunday and hit the beach instead.

    hmmmmmmm

  159. I’ll say one thing for UTCC, they have a rocking choir. 🙂

    I actually have to snore through stuff like, “He Lives” at the church we go to.:x

  160. This is snarky, but maybe, Bo had a private teleconference with Rev. Wright.

    The arrogance and hatred of this church, keeps on giving.

  161. Ronald

    I think a lot of people will be asking the same thing, hmm, Obama skipped Church on Easter Sunday, another angle that will be used on the values attack.

    There’s a reason he skipped church today and i think it was because he got wind of Moss’s sermon content.

  162. but this christian man, devotely christian man, skipped church on Easter Sunday and hit the beach instead.

    Well, in all fairness, even if he is devoutly religious, what church could he go to right now, at this moment in time, without the media creating a firestorm on interruption for the rest of the congregation?

  163. Idunn, a hunch or do you actually know something? 🙂 You dont have to tell me what it is …. lol

  164. Idunn-
    he could go to the moonies church, what’s that universalist or unifier or something like that???

  165. Moss isn’t as oratorically fiery as Wright. What’s scary is that he tries to make a more reasoned position for the church’s diatribes.

    From what I saw, this guy avoids the scriptures like the plague. I think that he or Wright made it up at one point and they use their playbook.

    I think that he made a financial pitch at the end. I’m a bit surprised as it looks like a pretty wealthy church to me. They certainly had pretty good video equipment. I was surprised at how sharp the video on the singing at the beginning was.

  166. I’ve pretty much heard all I want to hear about this church. No more links for me, thanks. But God bless it’s minister and it’s congregants anyway. Sincerely. I hope the Lord holds them close.

  167. BO is the one who brought religion, not to mention racism and censorship into this race. By insisting he’s a Christian, a devout Christian, who was led to “jesus” by Reverend Wright (which is the most oxymoronic thing I’ve heard, lately) he holds himself up to scrutiny when he is on a Caribbean vacation on what is presumptively the most important day in the “Christian” calendar.
    By shedding light on the importance of ‘WORDS,” he has opened himself to scrutiny about ALL the words he uses, including the infamous ‘typical white woman” quote.
    By insinuating that BC and HRC raised the race issue, he has held himself up to scrutiny when hh and his pastor and church are caught doing the very thing he supposedly abhors, which is use of the ‘race card’ via bashing whites.
    If BO,or, at the very least, his speechwriters don’t understand the impact of ‘words’, which, they are quick to point out, have ‘meaning,
    then that is yet another indication of the man’s compete incompetence and unsuitability to be president.
    Maybe he did go to church in the Virgin islands, but even if he didn’t, you can bet it will be reported that he attended Easter Services.mplete with photos

  168. I don’t agree that Bambi was the onle who brought religion to the forefront, I think the media did that. My guess is that Bambi wanted to avoid the subject, and any scrunity of his minister like the plague.

  169. ABM90 Says:

    March 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    Hillary in Greensburg PA on tues.Don’t look for much Media coverage.The Tribune Review there is owned by RICHARD MELLON SCAIFE.HE BANKROLLED the KEN STARR persecution of Bill and Hillary.Remember
    ————————————————————–

    Ah yes I remember it well ABM 90. But I also remember a magazine article in the past six months where Bill Clinton and Scalife had lunch together, discussed Bills global initiative and the meeting was a cordial one. Therefore, the operative question is not what Scaifes thought about Hillary ten years ago but what he thinks about her compared to Barry today. We have sure seen the tide turn against Barry in other right wing circles and the same may be true here. All I am suggesting is wait and see. Like you I remain skeptical but hope spings eternal.

  170. wouldn’t it be funny to have a 3am ad where BO gets the call, gives a little speech and quickly flees to the Virgin Islands to avoid the heat!

  171. Bo wanting to avoid religion seems awfully hypocritical given that so many of his beliefs come from the Reverend Wright’s ministry and from his conversion to Jesus.

    At least Romney wasn’t a hypocrite about the impact his religion has had on him.

    Frankly, although I’ve known about TCUU for almost a year and been appalled by it’s mission statement and close associations with Farrakhan, it’s a good thing for US that this topic was finally brought up, thanks to Fox and talk radio and not to BM.

  172. RE: Virgin Islands…. nice that rich ‘ole 👿 can afford that trip. Lots of folks have flooded homes, no jobs and bare cupboards. He gets a fancy vacation.

  173. At the time, Rezko called the allegation baseless and “extremely hurtful … as I have given [Muhammad] and his family millions of dollars over the years.”

    Really? Millions? And what did Tony get in return, I wonder?


  174. Its 3 am. Your children are sleeping. But somewhere in the world there is an international crisis which could threaten America. In the white house the red phone is ringing.
    If President Obama answers the phone…

    Hello, what dat? Im axing you, did you say terrorists? Hmmmm…..welll….. (crosses arms… squints, frowns….)

    Four score and twenty years ago…. No No wait, I mean

    Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for me….

    no, uh no no I mean….

    All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

    Uh, look. I gotta go. I need a cigarette. Damn.

  175. The article means 👿 is surrounded on all sides by NOI….he can’t get away from those associations. It’s like stink on shit….

  176. okie,

    He’s suing the CHIEF UROLOGIST!!!!!!

    That sure conjures up comical images but WTF is the connection there????? Please elaborate before my head explodes all over the keyboard!

    Ronald, I like that,

    “proven competence not hypocritical contradictions.”

  177. I like Chicago, Idunn. How about we just make this asshole go away?

    BTW- I feel very guilty right now. I love my Sooners, but I picked Louisville….I am a bad girl….

  178. The article means is surrounded on all sides by NOI

    LOL…how do you figure? Just because Rezko knew the guy doesn’t mean Bambi did.

    C’mon now people, use your heads here.

  179. Idunn, it’s all connected. His political godfather, his pastor, his church, many say his staff….the GOP will kill him with this.

  180. OkieAtty
    sorry. I didn’t mean to offend. Apologies.

    But.. in my defense BO does change his vernacular when speaking to an AA crowd so its almost fair. But I think you are right. This is not the forum.

    🙁

  181. BTW, Rezko giving them money = tithing to NOI. That means 👿 ‘s BFF is more than likely NOI, too.

  182. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/23/in-eastor-sermon-trinity-united-pastor-compares-rev-wright-to-jesus/all-comments/#comments

    Comment by Mike Nirider
    March 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
    Same sermons – different pastor! The anger, the hate, and yes the racism that exists should concern all Americans about a Obama presidency. He is so hypocritical and the majority of Democrats either cannot see it or choose to ignore it. I am one Democrat who will probably become a Republican. This is not the Democratic Party of FDR, JFK or LBJ, but rather the party of Michael Dukasis, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi. I now understand the common sense of Zell Miller. The Clintons are the last hope to bring the Democrats back to the middle and lead our party with common sense. Trust me, it is not about race, but about judgment. Obama does not have the judgment to lead this great nation. It is a shame that Kerry, Bradley, Richardson and others don’t see this!
    ****************************************************
    The voters are not the dumb sheeps as the DNC thinks they are.

  183. Ronald, he does switch up his tempo, tone, vocabulary. He’s obviously pandering but he gets to do so bc of an overprotective, biased media in full swoon. It’s a double standard, but one we have to be aware of…especially white devil, honkies like me.

  184. Clinton camp says Obama camp has double standards…

    blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/23/clinton_camp_says_obama_has_do.html

  185. Hell, Idunn. I’m just a typical white person. What would I know of racist descriptors for myself.

    Now ask me about the beaners… 😆

  186. likewise to what Ronald said, apologies everyone.

    Apologies accepted. I try very hard not to be a Sharpton and put people in the shut up box…mainly because people have a right to say whatever the hell they want. But also because sometimes, people genuinely don’t even realize that they have any bigoted ideas about people. More is gained, imo , but gently asking folks to look at the things they say, rather than beat them over the head with a bat.

    ALTHOUGH, I’m keeping an eye on both of you from now on, and I’m just gonna hold on to the bat. 😉

  187. Wait… is Hawk here???? If so, Hawk. I didn’t say that. 👿 overtook my fingers as I was typing….

  188. Outsiders shower Obama with funds

    washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080323/NATION/579478775/1002

  189. pastor problem will be continuing next week-tommorrow a radio show will air their intervew w/obama. obama says hi s church is not crackpot. pastor wirght is a good pastor. and wright consoled bill clinton during his presidency! this was on abc nightly news just now.

  190. Ok, bored now. And my house is a wreck. I think I will actually try and be productive today. Maybe start dinner, put away the laundry. Maybe even wash the dog if I don’t run out of time before the L Word finale (Go Tibette!).

    Idunn, keep the masses in line. And I’ll catch up with y’all in a few days.

  191. JanH – re: that article, and BO campaign trying to tease out anything they can pounce on re: Bill C’s words..

    BO’s new theme song should be by Carly Simon:

    “You’re so vain. You think everything is about you, don’t you, don’t you?”

  192. politico-also this was ust on abc news-
    Obama: ‘This is not a crackpot church’

    Carrie Budoff Brown sends over the transcript from Obama’s appearance, airing tomorrow, on the Michael Smerconish Show on 1210 AM WPHT in Philadelphia, from audio the show provided.

    In the interview, Obama says he’s talked to Wright in the past about “some of his views,” and defends Trinity, saying “This is not a crackpot church.”

    Smerconish is a conservative talker who’s been defending Obama’s race speech.

    OBAMA: I will be honest with you that I didn’t have that many conversations with him over the last year just because I have been so busy. I haven’t been going to church. I wasn’t hearing a lot of these comments. The ones that are most offensive are ones that I never knew about until they were reported on. I had had conversations with him in the past – in fact from the day I first met him — about some of his views. Understand this, something else that has not been reported on enough is despite these very offensive views, this guy has built one of the finest churches in Chicago. This is not a crackpot church. Witness the fact that Bill Clinton invited him to the White House when he was having his personal crises. This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. … So I don’t want to suggest that somehow, the loops you have been seeing typifies the services all the time. That is the danger of the YouTube era. It doesn’t excuse what he said. But it gives it some perspective.

    Q: Would the speech have come as a surprise to Wright?

    OBAMA: No, I think he recognizes. When some these remarks first came to light were a year ago, and I actually called him and it created some tensions that were reported in the newspapers. He understood that his perspective on some of these issues were very different from mine and hopefully we could agree to disagree on some of these issues. I wasn’t familiar with some of the most offensive remarks that had come up otherwise we probably would have a more intense conversation.

  193. Well at least I finally found out who Gravel is. i thought it was code for uncommitted or headed for the trash bin or something.

    What if: Axelrod, BO and crew have known that the Wright thing was going to explode and so in January and February they deliberately accused Bill and Hill of racism as a preemptive strike to diffuse what they knew would be viewed as racism from their side?

    i dunno. These people probably are not nearly as intelligent as I’m giving them credit for.

  194. Yep..go for chicago..after i tell my few friends to leave” yeah!

    On another front:

    “I could not cut off my rev. wright as i cannot go against my black brothers…or my white, foul-mouthed grandmother – a typical white, racist person”.

    In that 3am add… “I could not invade any country in Africa with my black brothers living there..especially one where my cousin Odinga has a deal with the Muslims…even if they have areas in the country that harbours terrorists for Al Qaeda!”

    But I will visit the country..and wear their local ethnic dress to see what I can do! You can trust me..i did it before even when the US ambassador was not aware of it and its sensitiveness. ” It is BARACK COUNTRY…they love me there!

  195. I wasn’t familiar with some of the most offensive remarks that had come up otherwise we probably would have a more intense conversation.

    Methinks thou art a liar, Barry.

  196. I haven’t been going to church.
    – Barack Obama

    uh, in fact, I didn’t go to church on Easter. I went to the beach instead.

    hello! Can you see the ads repeating this over and over again??? Its worse than Kerry’s windsurfing or goose hunting.

  197. so NOW according to Obama he KNEW about these remarks ONE YEAR ago … notice he is trying to distance himself from the whole church now.. whatch wanna bet this will po somebody in the church and they’ll be more than willing to say .. you know what he WAS in the church.

    Keep yakking bambi

  198. texan4hillary Says:

    March 23rd, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    pastor problem will be continuing next week-tommorrow a radio show will air their intervew w/obama. obama says hi s church is not crackpot. pastor wirght is a good pastor. and wright consoled bill clinton during his presidency! this was on abc nightly news just now.
    ***********************************************
    I love how this became Bill Clinton’s issue too. Bill and Hillary Clinton helps the democrats all the time…but this campaign really opened my eyes to what is wrong with the Democratic party at this time.

    Too many ignorant fakers and elites who are clueless about the average democrat and they outright bitterness and jealousy for the Clintons by some in leadership position. The party is run by a bunch of amatuers and backstabbers who really believe the voters will buy this garbage.

    Team Obama has had nothing BUT the backing of the party leadership and designed a “anybody but Clinton” primary. There is no way that Obama was able to put up a machine like he did without help from very powerful people that went deep in the heart of the Democratic Leadership.

    Barack Obama is a joke when it comes to experience or leadership in political, professional or legislative but he does know how to be a flim-flam man/Con artist when you have the backing of MSM and Party elites.

  199. No no, he’s a superdelegate…they wouldn’t tell him NOW. That little bomb isn’t set to go off until aftern the nomination has been decided. 😉

  200. Wright has been making these comments for years. Fox had been showing clips from 2001 (9/11), 2003, 2007, and 2008. BO had to know, about the 2001, 2003 comments. I don’t buy, that he didn’t know about them.

  201. the funny thing BO doesn’t get, the more he talks about it, the deeper the hole he digs for himself.

  202. ‘Twas Obama’s
    Miracle elixir
    That’s what did the trick, sir,
    True, sir, true.
    Was it quick, sir?
    Did it in a tick, sir,
    Just like an elixir
    Ought to do!

    How about a bottle, mister?
    Only costs a vote, sir, guaranteed.

  203. What did Obama say in that radio interview. I read something about he is saying how Wright “counseled” Bill Clinton. This is in reference to that photo that appeared last week correct?

    Just because Wright appeared at some ministers conference doesn’t mean Bill Clinton personally invited him there, talked at length with him or endorsed him in any way, shape or form. As to the “counseled” comment…highly unlikely. This is nothing but another Obama smear attempt. The Hillary campaign needs to come out strongly against these comments…

  204. Regardless of how Richardson tries to rationalize his betrayal of the Clintons, the question people will ask themselves about him from this day forward is:

    If this guy Richardson is willing to betray his friends and mentors in their hour of need then how in the hell can I trust him to not do the same thing to me when the chips are down? He can spend the rest of his days searching for an answer to that question but there is none.

    In my own life I refuse to have anything to do with people like this because there is always someone waiting in the wings to slip them 30 pieces of silver.

  205. Anyway, it’s the miracle elixir that smells like piss and looks like ink.

    Fuck it, that would have been a clever joke. I hate you people. 🙁

  206. It was my own the fault the joke got screwed up…I couldn’t fit the whole thing into the tiny box and still see it to edit the words.

    Oooh…wait…that makes it admins fault for having the small type box to begin with. HA!

  207. americangal,

    Not to mention that Bill doesn’t attend Wright’s church, has never been a memeber of his congregation and instead of having a 20-year relationship with the guy probably only met him once at the WH event.

    Like there is ANY comparison! 😈

  208. I think all these BO people today on the Sunday shows are hoping to run in 2012…knowing BO will not make it. It is all about their own careers at the moment…They will start their own findraisers soon…and this way they will try appease the BO supporters!

  209. LMAO! I just told hubby about Barry going to the Virgin Islands. I must have worded it oddly, because hubby’s chin dropped, and he asked incredulously, “He fled the country??!!”

  210. What did Obama say in that radio interview. I read something about he is saying how Wright “counseled” Bill Clinton. This is in reference to that photo that appeared last week correct?
    ——————————————————————–
    Bambi and his minions are losing it. There comes a point where words do not matter, because the image is too powerful. Bambi heed now the words of Omar Kayam:

    The moving finger writes
    And having writ moves on
    And neither all your piety nor wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a line
    Nor all your tears wash away a word of it.

  211. That senator Tim Johnson dude from South Dakota

    I donated $10 to his upcoming election when he came out of that long health issue recovering from that brain surgery…Hillary started a fundraiser for him on her website and I responded because I thought he deserved it but I was fooled by his stupidity! I guess he knows now that his oppostion will be tough because of this backing off BO and this WRIGHT issue.

    And he also voted for the Iraq res..same as Hillary…as did other BO suporters like Ben Nelson (NE), Rockerfeller (WY), Kerry etc

  212. wbboe1: I read about Bill and Scaife meeting and it was about the troubles in Africa on the subject of cheaper medications for millions of Aids victims.One of Bill’s humanitarian projects.The Tribune Review is one of two large Dailys includes The Pgh Post Gazette.They are are both Obama supporters.and give Hillary limited and edited attention.Maureen Dowd is the PG Darling.Since OBAMA doesn’t know when to stop digging,she may get some attention as she campaigns.

    ” IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO FIX OUR VILLAGE ”

    by ABM90

  213. We need to do a MASSIVE money bomb for Hillary this week .. call it the COUNT THE VOTES money bomb. Just saw puke face Richardson on Fox and he had the gall to ask her to drop out. That fucking scumbag.l

    It’s awfully odd that the primaries aren’t over till June, she’s ahead if you count the Florid and Michigan vote and it’s a long time till June.

    God, Idunn…I hope y our 3/28 advisor isn’t a “bad day” thing.

    I say take it to the convention floor.

  214. Dot: At the rate that BO is digging a hole for himself, Hillary may ask him to drop out, for the good of the party. That guy is slime.

  215. On an aside…all if you were to be in this situation… who would you pick?

    SCENARIO: One wise SD stands up and says that “in the interest of the country, I want to form new party in a way that maybe the best option. So I am asking your opinion to select a person and a VP (cannot be Hill nor BO) that we all can agree upon. if we do not want McCain”.

    Who would be your person and the VP?

    —–
    I know this is a stretch but I kinda want to start all over…

  216. God, Idunn…I hope y our 3/28 advisor isn’t a “bad day” thing.

    Definitely not bad. It’s a VERY good aspect. 🙂

  217. Check this out from Salon.com! http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/02/01/rezko/

    “Antoin “Tony” Rezko arrived in Chicago from Syria in 1971. He barely spoke English, didn’t have any relatives on the Cook County Democratic Party’s Central Committee, and belonged to an ethnic group — Arab Christians — too small to elect even an alderman. There’s only one way a guy like that can attain political power. He has to buy it.

    Rezko began his career as a civil engineer, but he was soon investing in real estate and fast-food restaurants on the side. Many of his business ventures were in downscale black neighborhoods. He built houses on the historically black South Side, and started chains of Subway sandwich shops and Papa John’s pizzerias. Those deals provided him the money to connect with his first powerful patron: Muhammad Ali. In 1983, at the urging of Ali’s business manager, Jabir Herbert Muhammad, Rezko held a fundraiser for mayoral candidate Harold Washington, who would become Chicago’s first black mayor. After that, he was invited to join Ali’s entourage as a business consultant. Rezko put together endorsement deals for the Greatest, and was executive director of the Muhammad Ali Foundation, a group devoted to spreading Islam.

  218. mp- Al Gore and Hillary Clinton (I can’t imagine her not on the ticket somewhere, sorry to break your rules)

    but re: the formation of a 3rd party – I’d want Bill Clinton to head it up.

  219. I live in NC. This morning I read in my paper per the Philadelphia Inquirer that Obama isn’t ceding the state of PA and that he’s going to treat the state as he did in Iowa:

    Sen. Barack Obama, coming off a rough two weeks dominated by the furor over his former pastor’s anti-American comments, said he plans to compete hard in the democratic Pennsylvania primary – treating it like Iowa. “Hopefully I’m going to be able to go back to that style of meeting people one-on-one and in small groups, having conversations.” Obama said in an interveiw with The Philadelphia Inquirer late Friday. “That approach works well for me.”

    I hope the fine people of PA slam the door in his face!

  220. Dot,

    If HRC should drop out of the race Richardson should DROP OFF the face of the earth!

    Now we know more about why he endorsed on Friday.

  221. See…even if a third party does not win this time, we will set a new party forward for 2012 – way from the BO/Kennedy DEMS..

  222. So how long is it going to take MSM to start talking about Rezko and everything related to him??? Oh, that right they will start reporting on it in the GE. They (MSM) love Obama now, but wait, it will be a different story in the GE

  223. You know, Boxer is probably for BO

    That’s fine. Even the best of us make mistakes from time to time.

  224. Boxer will be booted out in CA 2010 senate race if she comes out for BO!
    I will start campaign against her right in CA!

  225. Yes because Boxer got Rezko money.

    LOTS of people got Rezko money who didn’t have any kind of personal relationship with him.

  226. Okay…so now we just hate EVERYONE who votes for or endorses Bambi? If Al Gore comes out an endorses him, do we smear Al too??

  227. Look any combination will be fine..as along as it does not include BO, Kerry, Kennedy, MCCaskill, Sebelius and Richardson. They have become the scums of the DEM PARTY!

  228. Hello folks….

    long day for me. VERY sore back.

    It looks like you all have everything under control….
    and I see FOX news is already playing Otis Moss’ speech on Jesus and Wright.

    and Carby said something upthread that caught my eye….

    “There is no way that Obama was able to put up a machine like he did without help from very powerful people that went deep in the heart of the Democratic Leadership.”

    and this, it appears, is exactly what went on. It is an amazing thing.

  229. Boxer will be booted out in CA 2010 senate race if she comes out for BO!
    I will start campaign against her right in CA!
    ***************************************************
    Barbara Boxer will have enough problems with the republicans running Schwarzenegger for her seat.

    I like Barbara she has been good senator.

  230. Sometimes I read Something Awful and this page in unison. Pretty funny juxtoposition. People screaming about hate and bigotry and irrationalism all over the place while being every bit as guilty of it themsleves.

    Such is life, I guess.

    I’m taking a breather.

  231. What’s there to smear on Al? he is and has been toast for a long time, and yes I beleive anyone who supported Obama will find them selves very lonely on Nov 6th….(assuming he get’s the nomonation) 🙂

  232. or maybe your husband wished nothing more than for ‘barry’ to take him with him so he doesn’t have to live a life anymore where his batshit-crazy wife has made him ashamed to have a penis

    Incidentally Sean, my husband would love the opportunity to reply to this. Send him a free subscription so you guys can have a one on one.

  233. Jabir Herbert Muhammad is not part of the NOI, when his father died he moved the sect closer to traditional Islam but that caused a split between those who wanted to stay with the teaching of his father headed by Farrakhan.

    It was a very bad split.

  234. These are just the people Rezko donated to under HIS name (By the way Al Gore is on the list too):

    Ray Lahood
    Barbara Boxer
    Denise Majette
    John Kerry
    Jesse Jackson Jr.
    George W Bush
    David Phelps
    Luis Guiterrez
    Bobby Rush
    Mark Steven Kirk
    Lauren Beth Gash
    Tom Campbell
    Spencer Abraham
    Al Gore
    Rod Blagojevich
    Leslie Ann Touma
    Carol Mosely Braun
    Richard Durbin
    Percy Giles
    Bobbie Steele
    Pat Quinn
    Rick Lazio
    Alice Palmer
    Allan Streeter

  235. Spacegirl,
    I’ve been saying that for months. The Bo phenomena reminds me of the build-up to the first and second Iraq Wars. Neither of those happened out of the blue. Years of planning went into both.

    The same is true of BO. The DNC and the Dems and who knows who else – take your pic; Auchi, Rezko, Africa, Libya, the Repubs, the Council on Foreign relations – have crafted this script and are determined it has the ending they’ve already decided on. Look folks, i hate to say this but remember Benazir.

  236. Idunn…I didn’t see that here? Are you sure that didn’t come from that hateful place something awful?

    It got to the person it was intended for. 😉

  237. BTW, wbboei hits the nail on the head here:

    If this guy Richardson is willing to betray his friends and mentors in their hour of need then how in the hell can I trust him to not do the same thing to me when the chips are down? He can spend the rest of his days searching for an answer to that question but there is none.

    Also, no one here should ever assume Obama is writing off any state. He’s got enough money to compete hard everywhere. I’ve already seen ads from him here in PA a ton of times.

  238. basil9-

    so is it a vast left wing conspiracy?

    seriously, I think the Clintons saw some of this coming and planned for it but so far its an uphill battle

  239. Basil9 – I know you love conspiracy stuff, and there is definitely something going on here. I’m fascinated with why the media is acting the way they are in trying to “bamboozle” the electorate right now – why they’re selectively showing us contexts favorable to BO, or choosing (sham)Zogby polls or other polls that are citing BO favorably, why hoping that the electorate won’t check the others.

    This article on stop-obama.org is very interesting -the author brings up “psychological warfare,” or use of the media for propoganda, and excerpt – stop-obama.org/?p=277

    I think the titles reflect a deliberate attempt by the Obama campaign to demotivate, and demoralize Hillary supporters, by browbeating them into apathy, into defeat.

    As a hypothesis, this best explains the relationship between media themes and voter sentiment preceding the vote on March 4th. I am not saying everyone felt a certain preprogrammed way, nor that the media engaged in a conspiracy.

    I am merely stating that the themes the media stressed during the week, were not accidental, but formulated by architects of the Obama campaign, and executed through a plan with limited, but still awesome, success.

    The target of the plan, voter sentiment, emotions, morale.

    Here goes… (it helps to read the titles)

    Clinton was objectively ahead in both Texas and Ohio primaries right up to March 4th, but the media gave a different impression.

  240. lninla, It is simple they would like to have a black president in the white house because they could have a very controversial narrative ahead.

  241. RENDELL: Well, Chris, she’s not going to win by 17 points. Senator Obama is going to outspend us here 2.5 to one, three to one. He’s already on television and radio, and he’s a formidable campaigner, as we all know.

    But I think Senator Clinton is going to win a solid majority. And when you combine that with Ohio, and Texas, and Florida, and Michigan and all of the other key states that we have to win in November, it sends a very important message that if we want to win — and I think that’s what Democrats care most about — that Hillary Clinton’s our best candidate to win.

    If you looked at — more important than even the Pennsylvania polls, if you looked at the polls this week about head-to-heads with McCain versus Clinton and McCain versus Obama, it’s stunning news for Democrats.
    *****************************************************
    It’s very important that we start to focus on the upcoming races and take nothing for granted. Obama’s pr machine is going 24/7 hoping to drown out Obama’s limitations and anti-American beliefs. Obama has very strange radical friends and to think that Hope and Change is the only message is naive.

    This is about power and money…the access to both and i don’t find Obama a wise man that can handle either.

  242. I agree with Idunn. Look, I won’t smear everyone who supports BO, and certainly not Boxer. Let’s just watch the process play out.

  243. we can win by 20 in PA points if our phonebanking campaign keeps on trucking and we keep giving in the $.

    I see that her campaign is being very realisitic in projections BUT we have the power with the voters..telling them HOW IMPORTANT Pa is to her.

    Phone bank people if you can…it’s morally rewarding cause I find that it helps me to connect with other supporters. Think of it as an extension of Big Pink

  244. Obama: “This Is Not a Crackpot CHurch”

    Wow… he just keeps digging deeper, doesn’t he? From Politico:
    ——
    March 23, 2008
    Categories: Barack Obama

    Obama: ‘This is not a crackpot church’

    Carrie Budoff Brown sends over the transcript from Obama’s appearance, airing tomorrow, on the Michael Smerconish Show on 1210 AM WPHT in Philadelphia, from audio the show provided.

    In the interview, Obama says he’s talked to Wright in the past about “some of his views,” and defends Trinity, saying “This is not a crackpot church.”

    Smerconish is a conservative talker who’s been defending Obama’s race speech.

    OBAMA: I will be honest with you that I didn’t have that many conversations with him over the last year just because I have been so busy. I haven’t been going to church. I wasn’t hearing a lot of these comments. The ones that are most offensive are ones that I never knew about until they were reported on. I had had conversations with him in the past – in fact from the day I first met him — about some of his views. Understand this, something else that has not been reported on enough is despite these very offensive views, this guy has built one of the finest churches in Chicago. This is not a crackpot church. Witness the fact that Bill Clinton invited him to the White House when he was having his personal crises. This is a pillar of the community and if you go there on Easter on this Easter Sunday and you sat down there in the pew you would think this is just like any other church. … So I don’t want to suggest that somehow, the loops you have been seeing typifies the services all the time. That is the danger of the YouTube era. It doesn’t excuse what he said. But it gives it some perspective.

    Q: Would the speech have come as a surprise to Wright?

    OBAMA: No, I think he recognizes. When some these remarks first came to light were a year ago, and I actually called him and it created some tensions that were reported in the newspapers. He understood that his perspective on some of these issues were very different from mine and hopefully we could agree to disagree on some of these issues. I wasn’t familiar with some of the most offensive remarks that had come up otherwise we probably would have a more intense conversation.

  245. Rick Lazio!

    now, that is interesting. Something to pass on to the campaign if they dont already know.

    I miss Idunn already. 🙁

  246. I habe no problem with muslims. My dentist and my orthadontist were muslim. I have muslim friends. Please don’t go too far out on that bank.

  247. OMFG! OMG! OMG!

    Idunn- YOU totally ROCK.

    That is the best thing I have seen on the internet EVER!

    Thanks for making my night.

  248. Ininla, Ronald,

    Let’s just say I don’t trust any bureaucracy, whether governmental, military, educational . . . What I mean is, some of the worker ants doing these jobs are perfectly sincere and trustworthy but it’s the people behind the scenes, who we never see, or hear from, that are pulling all the strings. And I happen to think there’s a real connection going back nearly a century between capitalists, big money, old money, titled and prominent families and the goal for, as GWB says, a New World Order, the very words inscribed on the dollar bill. I think the BO thing is linked to this other, hidden agenda and the stakes for the major players are huge and lead to unimaginable power for those who end up in control.

    I just don’t think ANY of what’s happening is just a coincidence or is just happening randomly. Remember when the Kennedy endorsement was followed within a day or two by a well-rehearsed, perfectly orchestrated “Passing of the Torch” ceremony which, let’s be real here, could NEVER have been organized within 48 hours. That means the event had been part of the plan and in the works for months.

    The push to elect an AA, regardless of his complete lack of experience and qualifications, indicates he’s a pawn, a front man for someone else. The problem for BO is that his most ardent supporters, the AA community, is taking itself way too seriously and causing problems for the puppeteers. Plus it’s obvious no one thought HRC would fight back as hard as she has. But I think there’s something about BO as a non-white candidate that is considered a plus in terms of diplomacy for those who intend to pillage and plunder the rest of the world even more than they already have. They want a masthead, a human logo, to appease the extremists in other countries and the fact that BO has a multi-racial multi-ethnic multi-religious past is very helpful to the power brokers in selling their agendas, which have nothing to do with us, or the American people.

    OK. I’ll stop now.

  249. By the way, I don’t know who made that video, but my internet tough guy husband is a professional film editor (yes, you’ve all probaby seen his work), and he thinks this video is one of the best youtube vids he’s ever seen too. 🙂

  250. I have a different conspiracy theory-

    I think he has some appeal, but the republicans are also supporting him because they didn’t like any of their current candidates, especially McCain, and they see a delicious opportunity to turn BO into another Jimmy Carter with a presidency full of hope that goes nowhere- giving them the opportunity to elect the one they really want in 2012. Another Ronald Reagan opportunity.

    who might that be? My guess is that it will be Rick Santorum who is patiently cooling his heels at the enterprise institute. If McCain picks him as VP, then I rest my case.

  251. ready for some Orange Alert?

    just in time for elections, here it comes:

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Attorney General Michael Mukasey has been taken aback by the scope and variety of potential terrorism threats facing the United States, he told reporters Friday at an informal meeting in his office.

  252. As far as attacking anyone who endorses/supports Obama, I’m going to be very selective. Kennedy, Dean, & Brazille get my heartfelt anger only because of the way they are trying to rig this election. For me at least, they give democrats a bad name.

    There are others who honestly believe that Obama is the best choice, no matter what he does or what he represents. I wish them well. I don’t understand it, but I wish them well.

  253. Dot,

    Wait! There’s more. (but I’ll spare you). I know I’ve probably already been demoted to unscroll-worthy on forum. 😈

    But my GUT tells me this is a complete fabrication, a distortion, a mass marketing of a president to a complacent, bored public eager for the vicarious thrill of living the exciting taboo life of someone outside the mainstream or, rather, who is PERCEIVED to be outside the mainstream merely because of his skin color. We all know BO is the most traditional politician in the race.

    The stuff I feel is similar to what I felt with the Kuwait war, the Iraq invasion, watching terrifying battles on public television and listening to the play-by-play commentary from a media confusing warfare and death with coverage of a football game and the disconnect between the viewers, the reporters, with what was really HAPPENING was stunning. I kept thinking they’ll wake up soon. They’ll realize this is INSANITY but propaganda trumps common-sense and those who were behind the Kuwait invasion, patiently waiting for an opportunity to launch their plan which idiot Saddam arrogantly provided for them, got what they wanted.

    The Bo thing makes me feel the same way. It’s sickening.

  254. But my GUT tells me this is a complete fabrication, a distortion, a mass marketing of a president to a complacent, bored public eager for the vicarious thrill of living the exciting taboo life of someone outside the mainstream

    Mass marketing being the operative word there. There’s a REASON his logo looks an awful lot like the Pepsi logo, folks. 😉

  255. Ronald,

    That sounds plausible but IMHO it’s just a sub-plot spun by those at the bottom of the hierarchy trying to take advantage of the unexpected windfall of having the Dems destroy one another.

    I gotta look up Santorum. I know he’s Pennsylvania of course but not much else.

    Orange Alert, hmmmm? Why does that not surprise me?

  256. Okay folks, I’m really off to bed this time.

    Hope all we celebrate it had a wonderful Easter. 🙂

    Nite.

  257. I lived in Pittsburgh during the 2006 election cycle. It was an open secret that Santorum was aiming for the presidency, but because he lost to Casey in 2006, he really wasn’t in a position to run in 2008. However, if he is VP in 2008 or if he waits a few more years pursuing his work at AE, whatever that is, then he is primed to go.

  258. knock knock

    who’se there

    Orange

    Orange who?

    Orange you scared? Orange Alert! time to vote Repbulican.

  259. I’ll never view the way we do elections the same way. I never realized there were so many caucus…have there always been

  260. Ok all….got the dinner done, etc., dog out and in, etc, dishes done….

    back to SIT DOWN for a while now!

    Basil…brilliant theory. I have a lot of reason to believe there is a lot of validity in your assessment. There IS a trail…and it goes back to at least before the election to the State Senate. It is pretty interesting, and if ever the dots connect….

    -well….IMO it will not get “us” to the NWO pupet-masters, but there are a whole lot of DNC/Illinois folks who are gonna have some ‘splainin to do to America.

    That being said, I think the real dirty works go back through the “rezko” games. I believe the things we are seeing NOW are “street-level” corruptions. The big deals will come later.

  261. If you haven’t voted, go to aol straw poll. Hillary is 55%, Bo 44%

    news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll/

  262. Ronald –

    Comeon! you can do better than that! hehehe.

    Birdgal, Dot, I gotta say one other thing. Remember when HRC got all choked up in New Hampshire, not the infamous “How do you go on” response but her answer to someone else about why she continues fighting and she said, “I just know how important it is,” or something to that effect. At that moment I felt like she was talking about something the rest of us aren’t aware of, something profound and something that can affect this country and not for the better. It was almost a confession which she knew she couldn’t actually articulate to the public.

    I think she’s totally aware of what’s going on because I think she’s fighting the same group that has been trying to destroy the Clintons for the past 16 years.

  263. Brilliant point by Evan Bayh (see below)… as usual, the Big Media “analysts” have failed to discuss this yet:

    —-
    March 24, 2008
    Clinton Backer Points to Electoral College Votes as New Measure
    By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

    Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who backs Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for president, proposed another gauge Sunday by which superdelegates might judge whether to support Mrs. Clinton or Senator Barack Obama.

    He suggested that they consider the electoral votes of the states that each of them has won.

    “So who carried the states with the most Electoral College votes is an important factor to consider because ultimately, that’s how we choose the president of the United States,” Mr. Bayh said on CNN’s “Late Edition.”

    In a primary, of course, electoral votes are not relevant, but the Clinton campaign is trying to use them as an unofficial measure of strength.

    So far, Mrs. Clinton has won states with a total of 219 Electoral College votes, not counting Florida and Michigan, while Mr. Obama has won states with a total of 202 electoral votes.

    Mr. Obama, of Illinois, is ahead of Mrs. Clinton, of New York, in most other leading indicators: popular vote (by 700,000 votes out of 26 million cast, excluding caucuses and the disputed Florida and Michigan results, a difference of about 3 percent); delegates (1,622.5 compared with 1,472.5 for her, according to The New York Times’s count); and number of states (27 compared with 14 for her, excluding Florida and Michigan). The opinion polls are mixed but give Mr. Obama a slight edge.

    Asked how she could win the nomination, Mr. Bayh said: “Well, I do think the popular vote is important. But that’s a circular argument. It brings us back to Florida and Michigan.”

    He said he would also factor in electability and momentum, then added: “But ultimately, you know, if you look at the aggregate popular vote, and as we all recall in 2000, to our, as Democrats, great sorrow, we do elect presidents based upon the Electoral College.”

    The Clinton camp has argued that Mrs. Clinton’s having won the big states should be an important factor when considering her electability.

    “Presidential elections are decided on electoral votes,” a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, Howard Wolfson, said in an e-mail message.

  264. Basil, you are right, once again. There have been people, both on the right and left, who have been trying to destroy the Clinton. Didn’t the Clintons create the DLC?

  265. basil, the aol poll is a good one, because you can only vote once. It makes it more reliable.

    I don’t have birds, but I like watching them. I learned to love birds, when I used to do a lot of white water rafting.

  266. berkeley vox,

    Good article. I’ve been hearing that same argument by several of the surrogates the past few days, including Rendell today on Chris Wallace.
    And it just happens to be TRUE!

    Spacegirl, the theory isn’t mine; I’ve pieced it together from many sources. Have you ever wondered how some writers have this uncanny knack for predicting the future through fiction? Think Orwell, Wells . . . .

  267. Its not just the big states, it’s the regions. She wins the big states, but more importantly, in big states, and swing states Missouri, Tenesse, even Virginia, in Texas, in Ohio, in Massachusetts for that matter, she wins all the areas outside the urbans by wide margins. To be competitive you have to compete in the rurals.

  268. sorry…i was over posting on Pulch’s blog for Hillary. Let me read upthread! LOL….been behind all night!

    BRB

  269. Richardson is all over the place. He makes wildly inconsistent statements, including homophobic comments (“it’s a choice”), he ran an awful campaign, and generally sounded lost during all the debates. At least he’s knowledgeable enough to scold the Obama campaign for calling Bill Clinton “McCarthylike,” though — which had to be one of the most absurd charges (and that is saying a lot) from the Obama camp.

  270. Ok…back

    Basil…there are lots of “strings” out there that tie into a nice little knot. I wish I were an “investigative reporter”….I can read this stuff, put it together in my head, work with others to gather info, but don’t have the skills needed to write it out in a way that is not just looked at as another wacky conspiracy theory

  271. Jan, I don’t want to read anything depressing. What is the synopsis of double negative?

    Berk, he did? That’s funny.

  272. That McCarthy BS was, well…BS

    and OFFENSIVE to me personally. BO is really a smear-monger in the nastiest ways. He comes into the Senate, does little to nothing, and goes after some of the most worthwhile Americans we have had in years in the Democratic Party.

    He is just as nasty as many of his netroots supporters. Dean’s crew.

  273. ABM 90: I completely agree with you. Can you and I also agree that msnbc is like Axis Sally–telling lies to our troops to try to make them give up-which we will never do. I say on to Berlin–or in this case Denver!

  274. mj,

    It’s linked on Hillary’s site as well. The article is in her favor and tears down the argument, that her campaign has been the negative one, into nothing.

  275. mj – Richardson agreed with Rendell today about negative campaigning: ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iWSIm6rMH4mnWBT-fKZg_58OrA8QD8VJA9CO0

    “I don’t believe President Clinton was implying that,” said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a former presidential candidate who endorsed Obama last week. “But the point here … is that the campaign has gotten too negative — too many personal attacks, too much negativity that is not resounding with the public.”

    Asked whether Obama’s campaign was being too negative in accusing former President Clinton of McCarthyism, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter, said, “Of course … the Obama campaign tries to have it both ways,” he said.

    Rendell said Bill Clinton was saying what many people think, that the campaign should focus on the economy, health care and the candidates’ experience, for example, and not on race and other distractions.

    “And instead they launch this all-out attack trying to take an inference out of President Clinton’s words that no fair person could take,” Rendell said. “It’s an example of the negativity that Governor Richardson is talking about.

    “If they want to tone it down, don’t accuse someone of McCarthyism,” Rendell said.

  276. Carbynew@7:46: I spoke to Boxers office after we won California and I was told she would vote in favor of Hillary but would not endorse anyone. What if anything has changed?

  277. Obama: ‘This is not a crackpot church’

    Nixon: ‘I am not a crook’

    A new kind of politics . . .

    Ya, sure, you betcha

  278. Obama has been running the most negative campaign in a Democratic primary I have ever seen, going back to 1984. His overtly racist statement the other day is beyond the pale:

    BHO: “[My grandmother is] a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know, well there’s a reaction that’s in our experiences that won’t go away and can sometimes come out in the wrong way.”

    Wow, thanks Obama. Thanks for magically knowing how ALL white people think, when we see someone on the street that we don’t know. Simply disgusting.

  279. Wbboei, I instantly thought of the “I am not a crook” line from Nixon, too, when I saw BHO whine that “this is not a crackpot church.”

    Obama’s chutzpah is shocking to me. Jeremiah Wright’s church sells video tapes claiming that the U.S. government started the AIDS crisis, but this isn’t a crackpot church? Wright gives Christmas morning sermons to families and children, while shrieking that “Hillary Clinton has never been called a ni**er,” and that’s not a crackpot church?

  280. “I guess now we know why Obama was not going to be in the pews for this Easter sermon, he probably read it in advance.”

    So we have a frontrunner who has to avoid church on Easter Sunday because his church is a Marxist looney bin. So how do the Dems talk about faith and religion? Obama can’t even mention his faith anymore. We’re just going to concede faith and religion to John McCain? McCain already has military heroism, and we’re going to let him have religion too?

  281. Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh will be all over this tomorrow. I think that “crackpot” remark is going to make the news.

  282. Exactly, Canaan. In presidential politics, saying “I haven’t been going to church” is a kiss of death. Big Media is in love with BHO, as we all know, so they won’t say anything, but the Republicans will shred him to pieces over this. I have a friend who works for the McCain campaign and they’re all gleeful over there, and praying to high heaven that BHO gets the nomination.

  283. i just returned from a large event here. jeff greenfield-poltical analyst of cbs came to speak. we had well ovedr 600 come. hetalked about 08, the jewish vote etc.. very interesting and very fair. too bad we dont havemore like him. all u could hear when i sat down was rev wright. it as on everyone’s lips. the 1st question posed to him was about wright. this ewishman asked-how can obama go to a hate filled church for 20 yrs, let his children hear such bad things about jews and expect us to believe that wright’s words had no effect on the obama family? the crowd went wild with cheers. greenfield said obama is facng his vetting period and will face more questions. he thought hillary could hld the jewish vote for the dems and the other groups better than obama bc of the wirght issue etc.. he also thought mccain could win big depeding if obama is th enominee and how this wright thing plays out. he said more dems are looking to mccain now. florida and mi he thought were a debacle of epic proporitons-and no solution really. itguarentees someone willl feel cheated. he thoguht this would eb a dem yr-but at the moment it looks like it may be the repubs. mccain would wear well with jews bc he is not of the religious right. also his assoc with lieberman would be a boost. when obama’s name was mentioned again the crowd hissed. people werre very angry at obama. very. when hillary’s name came up people cheered. when mccain’s name came up people clapped. when obama’s name came up people sat silent-some cackled. obama is in big trouble.

  284. Crist is a rising star in the republican party-no question about that. He has an instinct for picking the right issue and the right adversary to crush the opposition. In this case he and his republican controlled legislature have suckered Howard Dean into invalidating the democratic primary and letting Obama block a revote. This allows Crist to hammer the Democratic Party for disenfranchising their own people, while Dean sits idly by out of money, afraid to act and hoping something will work out through no effort of his own. If I were McCain and Crist pulled this one off then I would thank Obama for destroying his party and offer Crist the vice president position on my ticket.

  285. t4h…thanks for that report.

    I certainly hope that is the feeling “in the pews” on a national scale

  286. Michael Tomasky says Hillary still has time, but she must win PA, IN and NC solidly or else the party will really push her to quit. I agree, and I think those victories are possible, though it clearly won’t be easy. She’s faced worse, however.

    He does say party insiders are concerned about Wright, and they think whatever damage is done to Obama will become clearer after those primaries.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/mar/24/hillaryclinton.barackobama

  287. I hope so too, Texan4Hillary. Wish the PA vote was sooner and her landslide victory there would shut the pundits up – with the exception of people like Jeff Greenfield. Most media need to see that the ground is shifting away from BO, instead of having weeks to amp up and believe their false narratives.

    If only Media Matters would do a poll on each network, and even a poll on each personality on the media. It’d be nice to see people saying they trust the media less and people like Keith Obamaman are tanking in credibility.

  288. we need more out on oabma. people want him vetted. the crowd tonight is worried about him and wants him vetted now. i think most americans agree with this and should say so. so its upt o us to keep sending those reports on oabam on to the media and hope they get it.

  289. I have a friend who works for the McCain campaign and they’re all gleeful over there, and praying to high heaven that BHO gets the nomination.

    No kidding …

  290. agree t4Hillary- if there’s one new scandal out on BO in the next couple weeks, then, that could really sink him. crossing my fingers re: Rezko – something big happens there.

  291. Paula Says:

    March 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 pm
    I have a friend who works for the McCain campaign and they’re all gleeful over there, and praying to high heaven that BHO gets the nomination.

    No kidding …

    Well, I don’t take any comfort in that. That’s what Deval Patrick’s opponent thought and he whopped her.

  292. # mj Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Well, she’s only favored in PA so that’s a tall order.

    MJ?

    I thought she was well-tied in NC and beating the pants off him in Polling in WV….

    is this new?

  293. mj, She’s close in NC at the moment, and she’s sent her two best organizers to IN (Mook) and NC (Smith). And didn’t Bill say if she won IN she’d get the nomination?

  294. mj, I think McCain’s people know Hillary would be a very formidable opponent.

    As for NC and IN, momentum from a big PA win could help her there.

  295. Another decent discussion, new posts go to top, not too hard to post.

    h t t p : / / news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/22/the-end-of-obamamania/15#c11192541

  296. Paula Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 10:30 am

    A TM poster with connections to DNC peeps says the DNC probably won’t seat FL and MI if it means changing the outcome of the race. I believe that, and it explains why Obama scuttled the revotes. Of course, that means Hillary’s supporters will have a legitimate gripe that she was ripped off, and it means we lose FL and probably MI in November.

    If Hillary keeps advocating seating or re-voting FL/MI and Obama keeps opposing it, then if HIllary is the nominee why wouldn’t they vote for her? She is at least supporting them, trying to help them.

  297. Okay, it seems that Obama “fled the country” for a few days, thereby avoiding Easter controversies about what church he attended.

    Anyone know what Hillary did today? I’ve been reading that while not wearing her religion on her sleeve, she does have her convictions/beliefs, and is not afraid to participate in many religions’ churches.

    Maybe the Easter Bunny left her some candy filled Rezko and Wright eggs, because she’s been such a good girl.

  298. One only has to look at the advisors and friends that BHO has around him to understand that his judgement is seriously flawed. With the cast of thugs he has whispering in his ear, every person should be VERY afraid of this guy.

    GWB, was an empty suit and look at what his advisors did to the US. We just can’t afford to go down this road again. The problems are too monumental to trust the unknowns of a BHO team.

    NOT NOW, NOT EVER….(and that includes 2016 and beyond)

  299. pulchritude Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Obama mentioned the lack of city services as a cause for pastors such as Wright in his Philadelphia speech. But Rezko failed to provide heat and garbage services to the residents of his tenements, and I imagine some of Rezko’s tenants are members of or affiliated with Wright’s church.

    HEY! Did Wright ever talk about Rezko or his tenants’ problems? I hope someone is checking.

  300. 195Dem

    this has been a talking point of mine re the hypocrisy of Wright AND Obama, and the cast of 8000 at the Church.

    Why did not ANYONE deal with this after Obama helped Tony get his $100 Million screw job for the people of Chicago.

    There seems to be a very loud silence in this area.

    It just wouldn’t DO to actually FIX something. The premise of Wright’s Church is to maintain anger at “the White Establishment” (see the other Sate Rep guy…can’t remember his name, who called Dailey the “slave master”)

    Funny when how a great deal of the City government is run by AA, theings are so crappy, but it’s all Whitey’s fault.

  301. Debbie, you’re right…not now, not 8 yrs from now, not EVER. Like I said in another thread: several months ago, I thought he was too green, that he’d be a good candidate after some seasoning, and see ya in like 8 yrs. But after seeing the character of this person (or more precisely, the lack thereof), there is no way I could ever support him, even for dog catcher.

    That’s not to say I would not support a black candidate. I’m open minded, and each candidate’s background brings certain elements of risk (for instance, Hillary’s gender means going up against those with sexist attitudes).

    I understand politics is a rough and tumble game, but you have to recognize thuggery when it’s apparent. Look at the training camp that the Obamabots were sent to, where they learned how to “take over” caucuses from the regular participants.

    And as for some who purported to transcend race, we got inverse racism, and race baiting.

  302. pulch…i’ll have to catch up later! I have to hit the rack. It’s a school night!

    See ya briefly in the morning, Hill fans…

    yall have a good evening!

    MONEY BOMB TUESDAY!

    COUNT THE VOTE MONEY BOMB!

  303. Re Gore, Hillary’s environmental position and records are better than Obama’s. Gore served with Hillary and knows how capable she is.

    Can you imagine Obama arguing TO GORE that the popular vote doesn’t count, only his little red delegate collection? Arguing to GORE not to count the FL/MI votes?

  304. A HUGE win in PA will change the narrative in a big way. The best way for us to help with that is to keep up the pressure on Wright/Trinity story. Eventually everyone has to see him as we do – the opportunistic hypocrite. No one who would associate himself for 20 years w/ someoe who so clearly seethes with hatred for America and all for which she stands (whatever the rationalization)is fit to be President and Commander in Chief. Pundits may not want to acknowledge this but “regular folk” feel it in their gut. We have to keep pounding on this to all who will listen.

  305. There is a McCarthy we should be talking about….but it isn’t Joe. It is Gene McCarthy. Ultra-liberal, anti-war lightweight nominated by the dems (in a race not unlike today – party activists put him over the top in small caucus states) in 1972. Lost to NIXON of all people by 49 states. Why….because the dems lost the center of the party. The centrists…the dems worried about basic economic issues, motivated by patriotism and focused on keeping America strong.

    Dems…..nominate BO and we are looking at 1972 all over again.

  306. Ann, I agree with you, I think this will happen again if the democrats dont really fathom the seriousness of nominating Obama. There’s only more to come that people are not willing to consider. Think about all these Wright matters and the negative campaigning that will happen should he get the nomination. I wihs people would just wake up. I think they have only slightly (some) but not the majority.

    People if you can forward the two above articles to whomever you feel will benefit from it feel free to do so.

  307. Ann,
    Don’t be so sure about the narrative after PA. it depends on who’s doing the storytelling. The MSM has already severely minimized stunning wins in NH, TX, and OH after Hill was declared dead – as they do with anything that’s positive for her.
    They’ll look to the margins and hammer Hill if it’s not enough for them, or move on asap to talk of “delegates” and “math” and the “good of the party” if she wins by a large margin.

    Umm, here’s a question;
    Just where the hell is the fine Reverend Wright?
    The biggest story in American Politics in two weeks and no one’s seen hide nor hare. Is anyone even looking?

    Would sure love to see his reactions under intense questioning, which is why BO probably has him chained up in a dark room somewhere.

  308. Ann Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    There is a McCarthy we should be talking about….but it isn’t Joe. It is Gene McCarthy. Ultra-liberal, anti-war lightweight nominated by the dems (in a race not unlike today – party activists put him over the top in small caucus states) in 1972. Lost to NIXON of all people by 49 states. Why….because the dems lost the center of the party. The centrists…the dems worried about basic economic issues, motivated by patriotism and focused on keeping America strong.

    Dems…..nominate BO and we are looking at 1972 all over again.

    THAT’s the key. Quibble, Eugene McCarthy messed up the 1968 convention, so the GOP won. 1972 was McGovern who won the nomination by packing caucuses, and again the GOP won — just like Obama is trying to now. That was before we had Superdelegates to watch out for gaming.

  309. Went over to the AOL thread posted earlier and have been reading through the comments….maybe it is just because AOL may be a luddite place to post (??), but the comments are – to a very large extent – anti-BO.

  310. mj Says:
    March 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    1950, the apartment story doesn’t have legs.

    You never know when legs will appear. I was pushing the Alinsky article about Obama wanting to be part of the 60s Black march club for a long time and no one cared. Then the Wright tapes came out and it fitted right in.

    If a Wright sermon turned up about Rezko’s tenants, that would be plenty legs for the tenant story.

  311. If, God forbid, BO were to be the nominee his odds would be somewhere in the Dukakis range or the Carter ’80 range.

    No one asked, but I am sick of the print media refering to Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, and Pelousi as the ‘party elders’. WTF, Carter is a good man – yes – but one of the lousiest politicians in the modern era. Al Gore should have won the 2000 election with no problem, but he is a lousy politician so he lost. Pelosi – not even going to go there. Pitiful. These are the people we’re supposed to look to? WTF? Not the only Dem president re-elected since LBJ (or Roosevelt to be technical)?

  312. good articles Justmeinmountdorafl – nice to know the vetting continues, and Obama legislative records makes him seem more and more like the guy who takes the credit, the “halfback who runs it” for one yard, but not the 99 others.

    Will this be a good week for Hillary – if Fox can keep their teeth bared at him, and we can keep the Wright controversy and conversations continued this week.

  313. agreed Ann – I’m just wondering why the Jewish orgs are not leaning more heavily on the media to play these things out re: hamas. Well, there’s still next week…and we should all be diligent in sending these out to the orgs.

  314. Came across a blind item y’all might enjoy:

    49. LONDON SENTINEL 03/18
    1) This American politician is sitting on a ticking time bomb. If his secret(s) get out he may as well kiss his chances for a November victory bye bye. He may have kissed his girlfriend goodbye several weeks ago, the questions remains he much longer she will remain silent. Hint: It’s NOT Bill Clinton. John McCain

  315. Hillary needs to correct the bosnia story, and all the other innuendo in that article. I didn’t think that article was so hot for Hillary.

  316. The Jeremiah Wright fiasco, BHO’s stubborn insistence on supporting Wright, and BHO’s incendiary comments about “typical” white behavior continues to grow: on the front page of Washingtonpost.com right now, there is an entire section devoted to it, with 4 new articles appearing in tomorrow’s paper.

    I won’t cut and paste them all here, since some are quite lengthy, but they’re interesting reads.

  317. MJ, it’s a mixed bag, but the key is that this is still a huge, huge story with so many sub-angles and sideplots that require deeper investigation.

  318. Here are those WaPo headlines:

    The Speech Still Matters –
    Barras: Victims of Wright-Speak
    Armah: Barack’s White Side
    Novak: The Obama Dilemma
    Broder: Was It Worth It?

  319. Obama is such a snake and a liar.

    Barack Obama blasts pro-Hamas Op-Ed
    Ron Kampeas/ JTA , THE JERUSALEM POST Mar. 23, 2008

    Sen. Barack Obama says that a pro-Hamas op-ed printed in his church’s bulletin was “outrageously wrong.”

    In an issue dated July 22, 2007, in a section titled “Pastor’s Page,” the Trinity United Church in Chicago reprinted an article by Hamas official Moussa Abu Marzook. The article, which originally appeared as an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times, justifies the Palestinian terrorist group’s denial of Israel’s right to exist.

    The church’s pastor, Jeremiah Wright Jr., who retired this year, has stirred controversy for Obama’s campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination with statements likening Israel to colonialists and blaming attacks on the United States in part on its support for Israel.

    In slamming the Hamas piece, Obama noted that he strongly rejects some of his longtime pastor’s views.

    “I have already condemned my former pastor’s views on Israel in the strongest possible terms, and I certainly wasn’t in church when that outrageously wrong Los Angeles Times piece was re-printed in the bulletin,” Obama said in a statement e-mailed to JTA late Thursday.

    “Hamas is a terrorist organization, responsible for the deaths of many innocents, and dedicated to Israel’s destruction, as evidenced by their bombarding of Sderot in recent months. I support requiring Hamas to meet the international community’s conditions of recognizing Israel, renouncing violence, and abiding by past agreements before they are treated as a legitimate actor.”

    Obama has consistently condemned Hamas and defended Israel’s military responses to rock\et attacks.

    The reports about the church bulletin and Obama’s response come just days after intensifying focus on Wright’s controversial anti-American statements prompted the Democratic candidate to deliver a major speech on race relations in America. In the speech, Obama, a senator from Illinois, condemned Wright’s most inflammatory comments but said he would not “disown” the man who inspired him to embrace Jesus.

    In a short introduction to the reprinted piece, Wright wrote, “Islam has as many manifestations as Christianity and Judaism, but most Americans are only fed a media diet on Islam as it relates to the ‘war on terror’ and the Palestinian muslim problem in the ‘state’ of Israel.”

    The newsletter was posted by BizzyBlog and reported by WorldNetDaily, a right-wing Web site that has played a key role in advancing the idea that Obama and his advisers are not supportive of Israel.

    The WorldNetDaily report ran under the headline “Obama church published Hamas terror manifesto.” One line in the op-ed directly defended strikes against Israeli targets: “Hamas,” Marzook wrote, “has never supported attacks on Westerners, as even our harshest critics will concede; our struggle has always been focused on the occupier and our legal resistance to it – a right of occupied people that is explicitly supported by the Fourth Geneva Convention.”

    Dov Hikind, a New York state assemblyman, issued a news release condemning Wright and calling on Obama to sever his pastor and his church.

    The New York lawmaker, who is in Sderot for Purim, urged Obama to visit the town “to see what support for Hamas terror looks like, and he will see why he must sever his ties to Wright and his church.”

    Hikind has his own ties to a controversial religious figure. Before being elected, he was an adviser to the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, a leading advocate for the mass transfer of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs out of Israel. Kahane founded the Jewish Defense League and Kach, a group that has been banned in Israel and classified as a terrorist organization by the US State Department.

    In addition to his statement on the Hamas article, Obama issued a separate statement timed for Purim – a holiday rarely remarked upon by candidates or congressmen.

    Obama’s statement spoke of “the story of Queen Esther and her uncle Mordechai saving the Jews of ancient Persia from destruction.”

    “Even as the parties are held, the songs are sung, and the noisemakers are rattled, the history of a people that has had to fight for its survival, remains at the heart of the Purim story,” the statement said. “In our day, the celebration is mingled with a determination to ensure that Israel remains safe and strong, that we fight anti-Semitism wherever it occurs, and that the American Jewish community continues to play such an active and vital role in the life of our nation.”

    This week, the Obama campaign circulated a photograph of former president Bill Clinton shaking hands with Wright at a September 1998 event for religious clerics, which was held the same day the Starr Report on Monica Lewinsky was made public.

    The Obama campaign’s move prompted a series of name-calling back-and-forths between it and the Clinton campaign, underscoring how potent the Wright issue has become.

    “A picture – oooooooo!” was the mocking response of Howard Wolfson, a top Clinton campaign official, to the New York Times.

    Jay Carson, another Clinton spokesman, told Politico that the Obama campaign was “pathetic” to peddle the photo. “Less than 48 hours after calling for a high-minded conversation on race, the Obama campaign is peddling photos of an occasion when President Clinton shook hands with Rev. Wright,” he said. “To be clear, President Clinton took tens of thousands of photos during his eight years as president.”

    The Obama campaign countered, “After their top surrogates pushed this story line and Senator Clinton’s campaign outlined this as a central strategy in her plan to overturn the will of Democratic voters, I can see why they wouldn’t want a photo out there that shows the kind of hypocrisy we’ve all come to expect from their campaign.”

    It’s hard to say who is peddling the Wright narrative at any given time, but those pushing the story to JTA, at least, are not part of the Clinton campaign. In any case, there may be a positive Jewish spin: At the White House breakfast for clerics, Clinton drew on a number of writings on repentance – particularly Yom Kippur.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1205420759325&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

  320. Jewish Voters Must Say No to Obama
    March 22, 2008 01:00 PM EST

    Little more than 24 hours after Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) stepped to the microphones to address the anti-Semitic, anti-American and anti-white rage of his ‘spiritual advisor’ and pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, many Jews are taking a second look at the junior Senator and Democratic frontrunner.

    By Wednesday the Obama campaign was trying to make Jews understand that his 20-year relationship with a preacher and church that gave an award to Louis Eugene Walcott (sorry, Louis Farrakhan, do all racists change their names?) and who blamed America for everything from the AIDS virus to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 was just a relationship of a man sitting in the pew of a preacher from the “old black school.”

    Unfortunately for Obama he did not talk until the controversy was out of control and when that happens it is far too late. As of this writing I know Jewish leaders and Israeli politicians who are willing to say that an Obama Administration would be “the worst for Israel” of all the candidates and that Obama was “unacceptable” to the Jewish population not only in Israel, but the Diaspora abroad.

    Jewish voters give their votes anywhere between 25 and 27% to Republicans – the balance of Jewish voters in strongholds like New York and California vote in a huge Democratic bloc. Even more than counting on Jewish votes to get Democrats over the top it is almost equally important to get Jewish money. Obama now has a problem: why would any Jew give money to a man who associates with a pastor and a church that awards anti-Semites and bigots?
    http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/31374.html

  321. Obama is shocked, simply shocked by Hamas op-ed in his church’s newspaper
    By Israel Insider staff March 23, 2008
    web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12732.htm

  322. Penn Freshman Excited to be Volunteering for Hillary

    By Jeff Gammage
    -Inquirer Staff Writer

    Patrick Bauer hoofed two blocks through the pouring rain to get to Clinton campaign headquarters in Northern Liberties.

    That, after a 25-minute trip on the subway.

    Now, he’s folded his lanky frame onto a metal chair in a cramped L-shaped office where the air is stuffy and the only decoration is the “Hillary for President” signs on the wall.

    The wastebasket overflows. A box of tissues lies upside down on the floor. Gray light pushes through two small windows.

    Bauer’s job of the moment – everybody else has gone to lunch – is to compile a list of supporters who need to be thanked.

    Ah, the glamour of a presidential primary campaign.

    But Bauer, 18, isn’t complaining. In fact, he loves it.

    He knew his first, volunteer participation in a campaign wouldn’t be like The West Wing. Probably none of the senior staff would ask him for political advice. Sure enough, they haven’t. Nobody has suggested that he help craft a strategy to secure Pennsylvania for Hillary Clinton.

    But to take part in an enterprise that holds potential to change the world – and on behalf of the one candidate in whom he truly believes – is nothing short of exhilarating.

    “I don’t think for any other candidate I’d be so committed,” Bauer says.

    Why not?

    “I wanted to pick someone who could deliver on Day One,” he says, staying on message like a seasoned pro. “Hillary is the only one who really has that experience and perspective. She’s the only one who can go in on Day One and produce positive change.”

    The Clinton headquarters is a warren of rented offices near the Delaware River, a bustling space that will fall quiet after the April 22 primary. It is a diorama of a modern political campaign – no haze of cigarette smoke, no jangling telephones. Only the chirp of cell phones, the quiet murmur of conversation, and the subtle whirr of computers.

    “I really do whatever is needed,” Bauer says.

    Devoted? He works 40 to 50 hours a week. Free. Don’t tell his parents, OK? They’re paying a fortune for his schooling, at the University of Pennsylvania. Actually, his parents understand his passion – his Christmas present was a trip to Iowa so he could work for Clinton in the primary there.

    In Philadelphia, depending on the day or the hour, Bauer may be knocking on doors or making phone calls. Sometimes he’s asked to clean up a spreadsheet. Or he works registering voters. He helped arrange Chelsea Clinton’s recent tour of Pennsylvania colleges – it was pretty exciting to be involved in that, he says.

    Bauer was 3 when Clinton became first lady, 11 when she joined the Senate.

    Growing up on Long Island and being interested in politics and government, he came to admire her work, particularly her efforts on behalf of veterans. His grandfather is a Korean War veteran, and dealing with the VA isn’t easy, Bauer says.

    Bauer is tall, with red hair and silver glasses, looking every inch the Penn freshman in a blue-striped dress shirt, navy sweater vest and sneakers. On campus he works as communications director of “Penn for Hillary,” not the easiest task these days, since the student Democrats voted to support Barack Obama.

    Last summer he interned in Clinton’s Manhattan campaign office.

    That’s where he got to meet her. It was a miserably hot day, and Bauer had gone to work wearing shorts and a polo shirt.

    “All of a sudden I looked up and Sen. Clinton walks in the door,” he says. “I was on the phone. She kind of winked and gave me a thumbs up.”

    Later she came over, shook his hand, asked how long he’d been involved with the campaign.

    “She spent a couple minutes with me, and for someone who is the most famous woman in the world, that’s pretty incredible, to spend time with an 18-year-old intern,” he said.

    He still has the photo.

  323. carbynew wrote:

    Obama is shocked, simply shocked by Hamas op-ed in his church’s newspaper
    By Israel Insider staff March 23, 2008
    web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12732.htm
    ————-

    Whoahhh. This Jeremiah Wright / “audacity of hate” fiasco just continues to grow and grow…

  324. the hamas thing is in jpost, jta etc.. sowhen will media take this up? or jewish grps like the adl?

  325. that Novak article ends like this:

    ‘But one longtime associate said this of the Clintons in private conversation last week: “They will do anything — anything — to get nominated.” That reminder deepens the Democratic dilemma.’

    YEAH, LIKE SAVE THE DEMS FROM BEING TROUNCED IN NOV, and fight the good fight for universal healthcare, save our economy, etc. How horrible!

  326. Barack Obama’s 20 year relationship with racist Reverend Wright who bellows “Goddam America” from the pulpit is a dispositive factor in this election. While it may not offend the sensibilities of elites in media, academia, legal profession and business circles, it is repugnant to a much larger core group commonly referred to Reagan Democrats. Elites fail to understand the magnitude of the problem because they are out of touch with this core group and tend to be moral relativists.

    Reagan Democrats are an ethnically diverse group of people held together by a common code of self reliance, equality and individualism. They trace their origin back to the Scots-Irish clans who settled along the American frontier. They are patriotic, religious and, and distrustful of those who tell them that any given problem is too “complex” or “nuanced” for a simple solution.
    They comprise a substantial segment of the middle class and working class population. They are well represented in Congress and in the military. But typically they do not hold top positions in elite fields. Nevertheless, elites need their support in order to win elections and achieve their policy objectives.

    The Democratic Party has nominated a succession of elite intellectuals for the Presidency in recent years. Reagan Democrats found them unacceptable and those elections were lost. Barack Obama is the latest example of this recurring phenomenon. Initially, his race and gender gave him cache. But when the racial threats and garish anti-Americanism of his spiritual advisor came out that good will dried up. They see his speech on race as pure sophistry. Simply put, if Obama is the nominee they will not vote for him.

    Reagan Democrats have an entirely different reaction to Hillary Clinton. They see her as one of their own- despite her extraordinary intellect and fine education. The issue of gender which made some men hesitant to support her has been resolved in her favor due to the Wright episode. Meanwhile, the personal visits she has made to communities across the country have done much to dispel the negative stereotype painted of her by the right wing over the past 15 years. They openly despise the elite bias directed against her by media whores, left wing partisans, party hacks and support her all the more because of it.

    In sum, this critical group is now squarely in Hillary’s camp and there is nothing Obama can do about it. The elite media and senior party officials are now in a highly problematic position because they have promoted him shamelessly during this election but it has become increasingly clear that he cannot win the GE. They need to find a way off the hook so they do not squander their own credibility in the process or else they will go down with the ship.

  327. lets hope she will do anything. perhaps if its aas they are worried about offer to put an aa as vp-but not obama. he is a liability now. could work. like in 72-ford asked reagan to be vp as the 2 fought to the convention. reagan said no but offered bob dole to unite the part-it damned near worked. also-it would help if another shoe dropped on obama. its time formore vettingguys.

  328. well said wbboie and so true – ironic that BO fawned over Reagan in order to pander to Republicans and Reagan Democrats, and yet, these people don’t want him!

    Here’s a good post by Alegre: noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/24/fear-and-loathing-in-michigan-and-florida/#more-1907

    This part was very interesting:

    I spoke with one woman who told me that BO’s camp is actively seeking out support from Republicans in Texas. How did she know this you may ask? She said her husband was a Republican – he passed away 2 or 3 years ago but she’d received 3 calls from BO’s camp in the past 24 hours, asking that he cross over and vote in the Democratic primary on March 4th. Three calls – that’s no accident folks. And neither was the message they were sending out to Texas Republicans.

    He was reaching out to Democrats in Texas, just as he has in any other state that’s had an open ballot. Remember Nevada and those horrid flyers?

    Big Tent Democrat over at Talk Left posted something on that Nevada flyer when the story broke, and he closes his post with the following…

    As I have said before, Obama is a fighter for Obama. He is not a fighter for the Democratic Party or Democratic values. This flyer is emblematic of everything that is wrong with the Obama campaign. Be a Democrat FOR A DAY. For Obama. But not for the Democratic Party or for Democratic values.

  329. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS!

    antiprotester.blogspot.com/2008/03/more-trouble-ahead-for-barack-obama.html

  330. Ok now I know what I did wrong, you can’t post any site with the http added to it! Ok anyways huge news did any of you know about this? I think we should send it to Fox and abc!

    antiprotester.blogspot.com/2008/03/more-trouble-ahead-for-barack-obama.html

  331. yes this info ive sent tofox etcfor somet ime now. u guysdoso as well. we must push this out hard.

  332. ininla-hillary must use the dmocratic pop vote-hillary leads by 1.2 mil among dems so far. that is the number that counts -i bet many sds agree. even sen ohnson said today if hillary wins the south dakota primary he will back her. h e right now is a sd for obama. wrightis making people worried. if hillary can kick bambi’s ass in pa expect total freak out

  333. Well, Im going to send this to all the sites again, Your great texan4hillary, glad to have people like you! It shouldn’t hurt to send it again. I know it will not get far with CNN. But I will send it again to fox and abc.

  334. The article on the Hamas op-ed in Obama’s church’s weekly is spreading.

    web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12732.htm

    Obama is toxic.

  335. wbboei,

    Great post! One quibble: I think in this sentence, ” Initially, his race and gender gave him cache.” the word is not ‘cache’ but ‘cachet’ or something like that.

  336. Hillary will win PA by a large margin . The only thing that will make it sweeter is to kick his ass in the 8th congressional district which Patrick Murphy it’s first term congressman is spouting off he will deliver for bambi. Sorry Patrick, you should have stayed on the sidelines and worried about your own re-election campaign.

  337. I just posted at h t t p : / / fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/1028230/ShowThread.aspx?ArticleID=2187113#1028230

    It is Obama who keeps moving the goal post to wherever he thinks he’s going. When Moveon started a petition for the SDs, Obama’s people were talking about the popular vote. Now that it looks like Hillary will get the popular vote, Obama’s people are calling pledged delegates ‘the will of the people.’

    60,000+ Signatures on our Voters Decide petition
    Full Page ad in USA Today with MoveOn
    Speaker Pelosi, Sen. McCaskill and other leading Democrats came out in support [….]

    We explained our concern that superdelegates may choose someone other than the winner of the popular vote and declared that we had every confidence that Governor Dean respected basic principles of democracy, such as the sanctity of the popular vote.
    source: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:vtScfzh_sTMJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/26/84017/9626/488/464291+Moveon+petition+%22popular+vote%22+%22page+ad%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=opera

    Democracy for America has also launched a petition drive on its website. Inspired by the presidential campaign of Howard Dean, DFA describes itself as “a political action committee dedicated to supporting fiscally responsible, socially progressive candidates at all levels of government — from school board to the presidency.” Noting that “after every Democrat has voted and the last allocated delegates are assigned, super-delegates have the power to overturn the popular vote and crown a different winner,” DFA declares, “We can’t let that happen. Our nominee must be chosen by Democratic voters not by back room deals of the party elite.” Feb. 15. 2008 at 10:00 AM EST
    http://visiblevote08.logoonline.com/2008/02/15/moveonorg-petitions-against-hillarys-superdelegates-hail-mary-pass/

    MoveOn.org, an influential liberal activist group, on Thursday said it would launch a petition drive calling on the superdelegates not to go against the popular vote.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/clinton.obama/index.html

    Obama told reporters Friday that the superdelegates should be guided by the results of the primaries and caucuses, saying, “My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates from the most voters in the country, that it would be problematic for the political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters.”
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18937761

    A Rasmussen poll said 59% of Democratic voters supported the popular vote — and 45% of Obama supporters!

    Among Democratic voters, 59% believe the candidate with the most popular votes deserves the nomination while 25% take the opposite view. [….]

    Still, 45% of Obama voters believe that the nomination should go to the candidate with the most popular votes rather than the candidate with the most pledged delegates. Just 32% of Obama supporters believe the candidate with the most pledged delegates should win.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/57_say_candidate_with_most_votes_should_get_nomination

    The designated function of SDs is to use their own judgement to choose the best candidate. If they need a figleaf, the known popular vote of registered Democrats in all 50 states + territories would be reasonable.

    F. Steele

  338. Good morning all!

    1950..good post…but you might want to remind the readers at your blog that DFA is run by Dean’s brother…

    no partisanship there! LOL

  339. I had an email this morning from an acquaintance who lives in Tazmainia…

    From one global perspective, I thought she had an interesting take…

    “The Muslim religion is hell bent on spreading their religion world wide, by whatever means – and what better means that via the POTUS? If the “core” management of the DNC think that having BO as Head of the Free World will help make up for the Iraq disaster, they can think again ……….. (It) seems BO has put himself up as the uniter of all times – between Arab countries and the US! Haa! They will chew him up and spit him out when they are good and ready – and he’s either too naive or too arrogant or too right in their pockets to see/care what they are really at!

    It’s the spread of their religion that is the driving force behind them – and as I said they will take their time if neccessary. And with the US power and money behind them – watch out!

    When I heard both Barry and Michelle spout fairly recently about young women not looking to rise above their status, so to speak, and be happy in the caring industries – and almost trying to preach already to the young, my blood ran cold!…..Their women in some area are well educated, but can’t be seen talking to a man in the street, etc. – anyway, when we had the trouble here I researched it fairly thoroughly and was so glad our Government change the immigration laws to be stricter in this regard!…..I certainly hope to hell America wakes up to itself – And it may well be that the AA race issue is being blown out of all proportion to cover the real intent behind his candicacy?

    It’s a pity some foreign newspaper can’t pick up on it – then CNN, etc. would have to address it, like it or not ………… I know your country is progressive – but this is guilt on so many levels it defies comprehension 🙁

    PS: I’ve been privy to some of the Muslim subterfuge here some time ago – we are a small State and often ideas/intents are tried out here before spreading to the mainland of Australia ………. “

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