Barack Obama’s Race

Barack Obama today will once again exploit racial issues, divide the country, and with the help of Big Media attempt to further bamboozle the American electorate.

The issue regarding Reverend Wright has very little to do with race – the issue is Barack Obama’s judgment.

Instead of addressing his lack of judgment, Obama will again exploit race and racial tensions for his benefit. Obama himself has introduced racial tensions to this election – in order to try to save his useless candidacy.

Obama still considers Antoin “Tony” Rezko his friend even though this 20 year friendship led to the tormenting and exploitation of impoverished African-Americans and abuse of minority development programs in Chicago.

Obama, purposefully set out to exploit prejudice against gay Americans in South Carolina last October. Obama stoked the base prejudices of socially conservative, African-American solid Democrats for his personal political benefit.

Obama has yet to apologize for his ugly swipe against Hillary Clinton regarding India and Indian Americans.

Today, as in June 2007, Obama “The Innocent” will attempt to cover ugly actions with flowery words. When Obama does something dirty he tries to disguise the dirt with flowery language. Flowery language is his stock in trade.

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Barack Obama has never been vetted, let alone fully vetted. Obama’s barely existent, weak, excuses have thus far been abetted by Big Media, but voters in Big States have not been taken in.

Again, race and racial attitudes are not the issues. Barack Obama’s repeated lack of judgment is the issue:

Though he has faced questions about controversial statements by the pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., for more than a year, Mr. Obama is enduring intense new scrutiny now over Mr. Wright’s characterizations of the United States as fundamentally racist and the government as corrupt and murderous.

Mr. Obama, in a speech Tuesday in Philadelphia, will repeat his earlier denunciations of the minister’s words, aides said. But they said he would also use the opportunity to open a broader discussion of race, which his campaign has said throughout the contest that it wants to transcend. He will bluntly address racial divisions, one aide said, talking about the way they play out in church, in the campaign, and beyond.

Again, Obama is stoking racial strife, racial issues, race itself – for his own personal benefit. Instead of answering why Obama has displayed, repeatedly, total lack of judgment in decades long, generations long relationships – Obama will try to drag us all into his Obama drama of race “in a broader context“. We don’t need to discuss Reverend Wright in a “broader context”. We need Obama to specifically address his lack of judgment.

Instead of addressing his personal, selfish, lack of judgment, Obama will try to drag us all into the abyss. Obama is inflaming racial tensions, which he earlier was touting as no longer relevant, because Americans are beginning to see through his flim flam act no matter how much Big Media trys to protect him:

The episode has left Mr. Obama tending to a firestorm fed by matters no less combustible than faith, patriotism and race. It could help Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign advance its argument that Mr. Obama is “unvetted,” and that he is less electable than Mrs. Clinton come fall. In interviews, Republican strategists mapped out how Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright could be used against him in a general election.

One of several Republican ads:

Mr. Obama is particularly vulnerable because voters are still getting to know him, said Democratic and Republican strategists — and a few voters as well. The Wright affair “makes me question other things. What else do we not know?” asked Karen Norton, 58, a computer saleswoman in North Carolina and a Republican who said that, until now, she had been stirred by Mr. Obama’s message of national reconciliation.

Mr. Wright’s statements, said strategists, threaten his greatest strength, his reputation as a unifying, uplifting figure, capable of moving the country past old labels and divisions.

“The problem is the complete contradiction between the message of the Obama campaign and the message of the minister who’s been his close friend and confidant for 20 years,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican consultant unaffiliated with any campaign.

Mr. Obama has also pitched himself as a candidate who can attract religious voters back to the Democratic Party, one who speaks the language of the Bible fluently and testifies about what he says is the impact of Christianity on his own life.

What better way to try to undercut the way he integrates faith and political vision than to say we should all be secretly afraid of his church?” said Jim Wallis, a left-leaning evangelical who has had longstanding relationships with both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, and who says that Mr. Wright has been unfairly caricatured in recent portrayals.

In strategic terms, Mr. Wright’s statements are tricky for the Obama campaign to address. The more the candidate denounces the minister’s words, the more voters may question why Mr. Obama attached himself to Mr. Wright in the first place and stuck with him for so long, not only attending his church but naming a book after one of his sermons.

Because of his own emphasis on powerful oratory, said Todd Harris, a Republican strategist, Mr. Obama cannot dismiss Mr. Wright’s words as mere rhetoric.

“At the core of the campaign is the fact that words matter,” said Mr. Harris, who is not now affiliated with any campaign. “Central to the idea of his candidacy is the idea that a speech can change the world. You can’t have a campaign that has that notion at its core and then point to other people’s words and say, those don’t really matter.”

Asked how Republicans might use the Wright matter in the general election, Mr. Harris cited several incidents that could be used to question Mr. Obama’s patriotism. “Negative ads are built on negative patterns,” he said.

He pointed to Mr. Obama decision to stop wearing a American flag lapel pin and the statement that his wife made about being proud of her country for the first time in her lifetime.

Shamelessly, Barack Obama will not only push the Democratic Party to the racial abyss for his own personal benefit but Barack Obama will continue to employ the language of Republican strategists to “blame Washington”.

Words are powerful–whether Sen. Barack Obama’s soaring, unifying rhetoric or the divisive language from his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “Just words,” as Obama often has observed, fuel movements of hope and change. Obama’s words–in a speech here Tuesday near Independence Hall–about race and Wright will determine if his campaign will be crippled by the Wright controversy.

But if his approach is to “blame Washington” for his political problems stemming from his association with Wright and Tony Rezko–an Obama fund-raiser now on trial in Chicago on federal corruption charges–as he did in an interview Monday with Gwen Ifill of PBS, it will be harder to get this episode behind him. A major strategic plank of the Obama campaign is to run against Washington.

Ifill asked if his relations with Rezko and Wright reflected on his judgement. Obama said, “And probably what’s true is because I haven’t been in Washington as long as Senator Clinton or others that I have not distanced myself from these people for as long a period of time as somebody more steeped in Washington politics might have.” [snip]

MS. IFILL: The distinction between you and Senator Clinton that’s been drawn by both of you over the last several weeks has been judgment versus experience. So let me ask you about your judgment on some issues, not only Reverend Wright and your association with him over the years but also Tony Rezko who you’ve talked a lot about recently, the Chicago developer who is now on trial on federal charges. Do you think that your association with those two people or people we don’t know about would raise questions about your judgment?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, no, look, all of us have people in our lives who we meet, we get to know, in some cases form friendships with, who end up getting themselves into trouble or say things that we don’t agree with. And probably what’s true is because I haven’t been in Washington as long as Senator Clinton or others that I have not distanced myself from these people for as long a period of time as somebody more steeped in Washington politics might have. But keep in mind, on all these issues, there is no allegations that I’ve done anything wrong, just as in the situation with Reverend Wright there is no allegation that I’ve said something that was inappropriate. And so I think the American people recognize that all of us have friends or associates or people who we meet along the way who are not ideal or perfect. But that’s part of what life is about.

Nonsense. Flowery words. Bamboozlement. Arrogance:

But there’s a line smart politicians don’t cross — somewhere between “I’m qualified to be president” and “I’m born to be president.” Wherever it lies, Barack Obama better watch his step.

He’s bordering on arrogance.

The dictionary defines the word as an “offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.” Obama may not be offensive or overbearing, but he can be a bit too cocky for his own good.

The freshman senator told reporters in July that he would overcome Hillary Rodham Clinton’s lead in the polls because “to know me is to love me.”

A few months later, he said, “Every place is Barack Obama country once Barack Obama’s been there.”

Tell that to Big State Democrats. Tell that to Texas. Tell that to Ohio. Tell that to Pennsylvania.

But both Obama and his wife, Michelle, ooze a sense of entitlement.

“Barack is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics,” his wife said a few weeks ago, adding that Americans will get only one chance to elect him.

Obama’s cool self-confidence got him into trouble in New Hampshire when he said Clinton was “likable enough,” faint praise that grated on female votes who didn’t appreciate him condescending to the former first lady.

Privately, aides and associates of Obama tell stories about a boss who can be aloof and ungracious. He holds firmly to views and doesn’t like to be challenged, traits that President Bush packaged and sold under the “resolute” brand in the 2004 election. For Bush, those qualities proved to be dangerous in a time of war and in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

If arrogance is a display of self-importance and superiority, Obama earns the pejorative every time he calls his pre-invasion opposition to the war in Iraq an act of courage.

While he deserves credit for forecasting the complications of war in 2002, Obama’s opposition carried scant political risk because he was a little-known state lawmaker courting liberal voters in Illinois. In 2004, when denouncing the war and war-enabling Democrats would have jeopardized his prized speaking role at the Democratic National Convention, Obama ducked the issue.

It may be that he has just the right mix of confidence and humility to lead the nation (Obama likes to say, “I’m reminded every day that I’m not a perfect man”). But if the young senator wins the nomination, even the smallest trace of arrogance will be an issue with voters who still consider him a blank slate.

Privately, Obama associates actually call him much more than “aloof and ungracious”. Privately, as we have heard, they call him nasty.

Voters won’t cut Obama as much slack on the humility test because he’s sold himself as something different. While rejecting the “me”-centric status quo and promising a new era of post-partisan reform, Obama has said the movement he has created is not about him; it’s about what Americans can do together if their faith in government is restored.

The power of his message lies in its humility. As he told 7,000 supporters at a rally last month, “I am an imperfect vessel for your hopes and dreams.”

Nobody expects Obama to be perfect. But he better never forget that he isn’t.

Sadly, some of his incense burning supporters actually believe this drivel.

Big Media and Obama’s incense burning supporters will go along with Obama dragging us all into a racial nightmare in order to extract himself from his own lack of judgment:

Some questions: Why did Barack Obama take so long to “reject outright” the harshly critical statements about America made by his minister, Jeremiah Wright, not to mention the praise the same minister lavished on Louis Farrakhan just last November?

How is it possible that Obama did not know about these remarks, when he is a member of Wright’s congregation and so close to the man that he likens him to “an old uncle”?

How is it possible that a campaign apparatus that sniffed out Geraldine Ferraro’s offensive statement to a local California newspaper (the Daily Breeze, 12th paragraph) did not know that Wright’s statements condemning America were all over the Internet and had been cited March 6 by the (reputable) anti-Obama columnist Ronald Kessler? The sermon was also available on YouTube.

In other words, how is it possible that a man who has made judgment the centerpiece of his presidential campaign has shown so little of it in this matter?

One possible answer to these questions is that Obama has learned to rely on a sycophantic media that hears any criticism of him as either (1) racist, (2) vaguely racist or (3) doing the bidding of Hillary and Bill Clinton. You only have to turn your attention to the interview Obama granted MSNBC’s fawning Keith Olbermann for an example. Obama was asked whether he had known that Wright had suggested substituting the phrase “God damn America” for “God bless America.”

“You know, frankly, I didn’t,” Obama said. “I wasn’t in church during the time when the statements were made.”

But had you heard about them? Did your crack campaign staff alert you? And what about Wright’s honoring Farrakhan? Had you heard about that? Did you feel any obligation to denounce those remarks — not Farrakhan’s, as you had done, but those of Wright himself? Don’t you consider yourself a public figure whom others look to for leadership? Do you think you failed them here? [snip]

But a presidential candidate is not a mere church member, and he operates in a different context. We examine everything about him for the slightest clue about character. On Wright, Obama has shown a worrisome tic. He has done so also with his relationship with Tony Rezko, the shadowy Chicago political figure. Obama last week submitted to a grilling on this matter by the staff of the Chicago Tribune and was given a clean bill of health. I accept it. But that hardly changes the fact that Obama should never have done business with Rezko in the first place. He concedes that now, but it was still a failure of judgment.

Obama continues to exploit race and racial tensions for his own personal benefit:

For 20 years, Obama has attended Wright’s church, listened to his weekly sermons, entertained him in his home. Yet, says Obama, he never heard any racist rants at church, nor was he aware that Wright held so poisoned a view of his country.

Sorry, that is not credible. Wright is a famous preacher in black America, and Obama’s denial he was aware of his views marks him either as a dissembler or a man so obtuse he ought not be a security guard at Wal-Mart, let alone president.

It is easy now to understand why Michelle Obama, before Barack began to win, had never once been proud of her country.

Obama has now moved to separate himself from Wright’s rants and removed him from the campaign roster. And he will likely be forced, with anguish, to turn his back on, repudiate, and reject his beloved friend and teacher.

But it is too late for that. For Wright has, for millions of Americans, filled in the blanks about Obama. Wright tells us the kind of company Obama keeps, the kind of men he holds close, the kind of attitudes and beliefs he finds acceptable, if not congenial.

That Wright is a revered preacher in black America also tells us that, far from coming together, we Americans are further apart than we were in the 1950s.

Truly, the Democratic Party is now headed for a train wreck. Though Obama seems likely to win more pledged delegates than Hillary Clinton, the super-delegates will have to decide whether they want to offer America a nominee whose pastor and mentor embodies the anti-white racism and anti-Americanism that has ever brought the patriotic blood of Middle America to a boil. Wright is not the sort of fellow you want to bring with you into “Deer Hunter” Country.

The issue is not African-Americans nor their beliefs. This issue is not White Americans nor their beliefs.

The issue is Barack Obama’s lack of judgment.

Barack Obama’s race is against time.

Will Barack Obama be vetted in time to avert disaster in Denver? Will Barack Obama be vetted only after the Denver convention?

That is the Wright question.

Barack Obama’s race has run its course.

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1,127 thoughts on “Barack Obama’s Race

  1. Dear Governor Dean,

    By denying the MI and FL delegates, you have disenfranchised me.

    I live in PA and Hillary is the only choice.

    By denying Hillary her wins in MI and FL, you helped Obama’s momentum
    and he rolled up 11 little red states in a row.

    My choice, Hillary, lost the momentum she deserved by not getting MI and FL.

    The DNC will not get another penny from me – ever – unless they count MI and FL.

    I am fed up with your “rules”.
    No “rule” is greater than disenfranchisement of voters.
    NO RULE IS GREATER THAN DISENFRANCHISEMENT OF VOTERS.

    Stop letting Iowa and NH push the country around.

    I am furious.

    jonnyB

  2. ADMIN…FABULOUS POST! Thanks for this. The dots just keep connecting and connecting…and the line they make are crooked.

    PS…did you get my mail yesterday?

  3. Dear Mr. Cohen,

    Your article on Obama is well done.
    Olbermann did a poor, yes, a sycophantic interview of Obama.

    Please remind everyone Obama had to know of Wright’s fierce antisemitism.
    Wright joined Farrakhan in a trip to Tripoli to see Mommar Kadafi.
    There is a trifecta for you.

    That was in 1984 about the time Obama joined his church.

    I do disagree with you on one point: Obama’s “stunning political gifts”?

    Where?

    He voted 130 times as “present” rather than taking a stand.
    How does that promote change?

    6 times he voted the wrong way by accident?
    By accident? How unbelievable is that? Who is that incompetent?

    If Hillary had voted 130 “present” votes, her career would be over. Over.

    If Hillary’s minister had spouted antisemitic crap and deeply antiAmerican claptrap for 20 years,
    her career would be – definitively – over. Over.

    Hillary unlike O has judgment.

    Hillary would have left her church.

    Obama still – still – after all this firestorm – Obama still will not denounce the man!
    Unbelievable.
    Wright is as antisemitic as Hitler, truly, sad to say; that’s no hyperbole.
    Obama still won’t denounce the man.

    Gott Meiner!

    jonnyB

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  4. It’s less than an hour, a matter of minutes, before Obama will begin his BAMBOOZLE SPEECH and “attempt to further bamboozle the American electorate”, as mentioned by Admin in the first paragraph above.

    I hate listening to his empty speeches, but I’m really curious to see how he attempts to get himself out of this box of his own creation. I will be interested in the Fox interpretation because CNN and others will proclaim him victorious in his effort. Anyway, I’m ready for the BAMBOOZLE SPEECH.

    I recall how some people were very worried about the incorrect charge that he had gone to a Madrassa school, where it was assumed the children were taught to hate America. That’s something that could never happen here. However, he didn’t need any Madrassa school, and it apparently can happen here one way or another. I hope the reports are wrong that the kind of vitriolic words being used by Wright are common in black churches across the country. I don’t believe it.

  5. Good Morning!

    What will it take for BO to “Hit it out of the park” (which I hope he does not) But, I have this feeling he could come out of this today with little “stink” on him???? Please someone tell me Iam wrong, Iam stupid….:)

  6. JAS, when he makes it clear that anyone not believing and enjoying the statements of Jeremiah Wright is a racist, then he will have won the day.

  7. WTF should the networks carry it? Hillary made two important speeches the last couple of days and no network carried it. That’s complete bullshit.

  8. Ohhh okay, thanks Sherm!! I understand that he is not taking questions? This could prove to be a big mistake!!

  9. It is not right he is allowed to make a speech carried by all outlets over this issue instead of answering reporters questions. His campaign knows this is where he does well (speeches).

    Is this what we will get if he is the nominee? empty speeches whenever there are questions. We really need to emphasize how he if can not even handle a few reporters questions now what about later when he truly will be scrutinized.

  10. Good morning, Hillfriends! I’m on my way out of the door to work, but I have to say, GREAT POST, Admin!

    As a Chicagoan and recent former south-sider who knows BHO, I can attest to his arrogance and sense of entitlement that is bourne out in this latest drama. And to the divisive politics that are business as usual on BHO’s home turf. The politics of Wright are wrong for me…. wrong for America and wrong for our turbulent world.

    BHO cannot disown Wright. Wright is not a supporter of Obama, OBAMA IS A SUPPORTER OF WRIGHT. “….God damn America!” Just words?

  11. You’re right, JAS. The questions will be asked only by those not in the tank for him, but they will follow his speech, assuming he left anything out. I believe there are too many questions to be answered in one speech. I’m hoping this thing just keeps going.

  12. Maybe he has realized the damage he’s done and is now going to drop out (i went to a breakfast this morning that had mimosas)

  13. Why are they carrying this speech when they didn’t carry any of Hillary’s speeches?

    BO is just like GWB — he thinks giving a speech is all there is to do. Bush gave a speech after Katrina, pretty lights on the cathedral and a blue shirt. Everybody praised the speech, and nothing happened.

    The presidency isn’t about giving speeches.

  14. Informed…”BHO cannot disown Wright. Wright is not a supporter of Obama, OBAMA IS A SUPPORTER OF WRIGHT. “”

    truer words have not been spoken and this really says a lot.

    thanks. Do well today!

  15. I heard a different tone from MessNBC this morning. (and I didn’t have any mimosas) Joe was amused, Mika looked disillusioned, the political director what’s-his-name AND my new boyfriend, Pat Buchanan are observing the BHO campaign free-fall and the beginning of a real vetting of this candidate.

    What’s can BHO possibly say? “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” LOL!

  16. Morning, TPS – I’m fine and may have mimosas at lunch, depending on how it goes at 10am EST. How are you?
    Hi, Spacegirl – hope you’re doing well today, too!

  17. The Obama Bargain
    By SHELBY STEELE
    March 18, 2008; Page A23

    “nothing could be more dangerous to Mr. Obama’s political aspirations than the revelation that he, the son of a white woman, sat Sunday after Sunday — for 20 years — in an Afrocentric, black nationalist church in which his own mother, not to mention other whites, could never feel comfortable. His pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is a challenger who goes far past Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson in his anti-American outrage (“God damn America”).”

    online.wsj.com/article/SB120579535818243439.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE

  18. Spacegirl – couldn’t agree more! In fact, it may even be another “boneheaded mistake” that will keep Wright in the news indefinitely…..we “hope”……

  19. The last thing we need after the past seven (soon to be eight) disastrous years is another president who doesn’t have a clue and wants to hang out while his advisors screw things up.

  20. hi all,

    Well, Pat Buchanan is commenting on MSNBC. Pat has already said that he doesn’t think that Obama’s speech can put this behind him. Earlier today, he said he thought all of this was “fatal” to Obama’s candidacy. Got to love Pat’s honesty

  21. The problem he has is – race is not the only issue. It’s as much about his judgment as anything else.

  22. They just showed the podium he will be speaking from and guess who suddenly likes the American Flag. He has 6 large flags displayed behind him – I bet he will even wear his flag lapel pin today. I fear in his little speech he will try to hide behind Jesus and his religion. Wright has NOTHING to do with religion, especially not Christianity. Last time I checked the Bible says nothing about hating white people, nothing about white people creating AIDS to kill black people, nothing about the US of KKKKKK A, and nothing about Hillary never being called the N word. Of course I’ve never really read the book of Joel, so maybe it’s all in there.

  23. MSNBC had new polls out (PA, national HRC v. McC) that should have our campaign feeling good.

  24. So hard to explain in words.

    example:

    (b)bold?(/b)

    BUT replace ( with SHIFT + , (comma) and replace ) with SHIFT + . (point)

    I don’t understand “greater than” “less than” so hope the () will substitute.

  25. LOL….Absentee Ballots in FLorida House Elections are missing. “We took them to the post office and have a receipt but the Post Office tracking software cannot locate them. We have remailed new ballots”

    So much for Florida vote-by-mail efforts.

    This just on local radio news.

  26. As Admin said, it’s not abouot religion, racism or politics – it’s about exercising good JUDGMENT in your most personal choices.

  27. Well, I know what Sean Hannity and others on Fox will say. There’s nothing Obama can do or say now to placate them. On MSNBC, we have Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan, and I feel they will be pretty honest about it.

  28. He’s going to try and tell us that we don’t understand what goes on in black churches like this. But I think most people can understand racial divisivness when we see it.

    I wish the media would focus on Obama going into South Carolina and Mississippi, and playing the “bamboozle” card, along with all of this.

  29. SpacegirlArt

    from the last thread, maybe instead of talking about the hunt for SDs, Hillary should rephrase it as the hunt for sane super delegates. Good hunting. Ok, off to bedlam for me. Wishing all the very best of Tuesdays.

  30. The issue isn’t really race….it is about patriotism. You can’t be associated with people who “damn” America, who accuse it of genocide, who claim that “white America” deserved 9/11, who compare America to Al Queda and expect to lead the nation. We are first and foremost Americans.

  31. Laura Ingraham saying that BO is blaming Media because they don’e knw about Black Liberation Theology

    now she is on to Durbins mis-speak! LOL

  32. That’s right, Ann, and there’s no way that Obama can distance himself from his pastor now. He can never undo the impression given by those Wright speeches.

    That Rasmussen poll yesterday said that 66% of the country is familiar with this, and that number will grow. It also said that 56% nationwide said this makes them Less Likely to vote for him. I don’t think he can reverse that.

  33. Obama is trying to make this about misunderstanding between races. This is about his own judgement.

    I hope you all read the Shelby Steele article in the WSJ.

  34. Pat Buchanan just got done blasting Obama on MSNBC. They said he is expected to talk for 30 minutes. What is he going to give his convention speech again from ’04?

  35. Good Morning America is saying that Obama will be on their show tomorrow, the day after the speech. Not sure if he is doing the rounds of morning shows but more damage control I guess.

    Trying to nail his new message home.

  36. The only question to me is whether Dean, Pelosi and SD’s can show the good sense and courage to get behind Hillary. Or commit electoral suicide in the Fall by continuing to push for this man.

  37. FOX is REALLY painting BO into a corner with his “in the pews” statement. You KNOW they have something.

    Liar liar pants on fire

  38. So, will our race lesson be streamed live? If so, where can I find it? I want to get to my desk earlier, and have my pen and paper ready.

  39. SpacegirlArt, but do you think they would try and hold that evidence to use if BHO gets the nomination?

  40. No…Ben….I think they are worried about his “mo” and the fact that they may actually LOOSE the GGE to him with crossovers and those who do not care for McCain. They KNOW Hillary will bring out the base, so the sooner they get rid of him the better. But they will play their cards closer to their chest. Let him give his speech, let it rund for a few more days, let people if they want, still question his sincerity, and then, if he is being taken “at his word”

    WHAMM!

  41. They are trying to make him look presidential by allowing him to give a speech like this and from what you guys state surrounded by flags.
    This is what we do when Bush has a speech.

    This should not have been allowed.

  42. ITA Idunn…those American flags just shows what a sham he is. I hope the good American people will see right through this phony.

  43. there was a two hour back up traffic jam in Philly or Pitts…cant remember, (Philly I think) because of a broken pillar on I-95

  44. SpacegirlArt, I agree with that. I think Fox wants to take him down. Probably McCain doesn’t want to try and run against the guy. He’s a pain in the ass to try and campaign against, with Axelrod and his passive/aggressive campaign tactics.

  45. If BO keeps saying “God blss america” and the end of his speeches now, all the kids will think he’s become uncool.

    LOL!

  46. How can he explain his 20-year relationship with Wright? The fact that this guy was his spiritual mentor.

    How can he explain that he knew Wright was trouble, when he disinvited him at his announcement – but he still kept him around?

    How can he keep saying that he never heard any of these type of comments?

    Those questions will remain

  47. I sure hope there are some non-Obama people there to boo him.

    You go straight to hell if you boo the next messiah. You need to study your bible, Jan. 🙄

  48. Watching those audio technicians fills me with so much hope. I’m getting something running up my leg.

    This is exciting.

  49. Cnn is reporting Barack Obama is back stage watching old episodes of the “Andy Griffith Show” to ensure he is ‘white enough’ when he makes his speech. Ok I made that up, but we did learn he will use a teleprompter today, something he normally doesn’t do, which means he is nervous today.

  50. yes of course he’s delayed…..we all must wait in reverence for the great one to give his speech. Isn’t that a tactic that is used all the time to make a person look more important. (everyone waiting breathlessly for him to come on stage)

  51. Greetings all…

    HI Spacegirl

    Listening to local NPR in Boston with 2 guests excusing everything about Wright- out of context, history of AA churches, he wasn’t there, etc….

    But this has nothing to do with Race or Wright. It has to do with his judgement in associating with this man and running for president.

    Guest says- the speech is very powerful. I hope it is as successful as Romney’s speech on Mormonism, when he essentially said every one has to be religious.

  52. MEGAN?!?!?!

    “but we did learn he will use a teleprompter today, something he normally doesn’t do, ”

    bs

    WHO SAID THAT?

  53. We should start comparing Obama’s religion speech with Romneys. PERFECT.

    Both are starting with the wrong axiom. Obama has no basis turning to religion for excusing this sort of behavior – it is about Judgement

  54. OK…if his speech is really what is posted on Drudge, it’s a snoozer. I lost interest about halfway through, as it’s really just paragraph after paragraph of saying the same thing over and over. BORING! Thankfully I don’t need to listen to it now (not that I was going to anyway).

  55. How dare him, bring Ferraro into this. It does not compare.

    Did anyone see an apology????

    Too many doubts.

  56. If he DOESN’T take QUESTIONS, I think he is COOKED no matter what he says. This is not HIS agenda to control. He lost that opportunity

  57. Fox says the speech is 9 pages long

    Well then, I HOPE Professor Obama plans on giving me a note, because if I’m late for math class one more time, I’m screwed.

  58. This passage from his speech is a huge problem. This is using his white grandmother to CYA. He just pushed her in front of the truck to benefit himself. He doesn’t get it. you don’t choose your grandmother, but you do choose your pastor.

    I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

  59. I think the Clinton campaign, and all surrogates, have done a great job of staying TOTALLY out of this

  60. OK…if his speech is really what is posted on Drudge, it’s a snoozer. I lost interest about halfway through, as it’s really just paragraph after paragraph of saying the same thing over and over. BORING! Thankfully I don’t need to listen to it now (not that I was going to anyway).

    OR you could make this a bold experiment in the power of the preacher tone. Can the tone make even a boring, 9 page tome on Rev. Wright sound inspiring and uplifting?

    I’m betting that…yes it can!

  61. jdog-

    You know, I find ALL of his speeches very boring. He speaks in this slow deliberate pendantic style that any first year drama student can mimick. I find it incredibly patronizing. Like he has to explain the issues to me or something.

    know what Im sayin’?

  62. but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

    WTF???!!!!!

    HOW DARE HE

    Comparing his WHITE grandmother to all the scared white folks out here and his horror at HER racist remarks?

    THIS GUY IS A SHILL and is GOIING DOWN

  63. the OJ trial? well, we heard Wright talk about that. He definitely believes the LAPD planted all that stuff

  64. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world,

    Woman who oppressed and kept me down. My cracker grandma. 😉

  65. He is elevating Wright to the same level of importance as his white grandmother? Sure shows what he thinks of her.

    And why does he have to emphasize “white” this and “black” that? Obama’s campaign is 100% about race and not in a good way!

  66. Oh I get it- His GRANDMOTHER was racist. So its OK.

    Well, now I am hoping for a change. I think its coming!

  67. Ans he just trashed her in front of the whole world to save himself politically. Huge error in judgement and this is not going to go down well. Mark my words on this.

  68. I wonder who else he will sacrifice to get his point across.

    This man will do ANYTHING to get in to the White House!

  69. “Obama is an original..”

    So the fuck what? I’m an original. My dog is an original. Bush is an original. We all originals.

  70. if you read the speech on drudge, my opinion is that i don’t think it will answer the questions of judgement at all

  71. His comparing his grandmother to his pastor is a huge misjudgement. We have to remember this as we post on this.

  72. Space-

    EXACTLY! He is the democratic version of W. Dumb it down. Make it religious. Dont appeal to anyone’s intellect. Its crazy.

    Even worse is that Hillary is being treated like Al Gore was in 2000. Once again, the smart experience, proven and tested candidate is deemed un-cool, un-hip, not likable… enough.

    What a mistake that was in 2000.

  73. Agree w/ Bill Kristol….not about race, about patriotism. Wright clearly hates America and all that she stands for. No place near the WH or near anyone in the WH.

  74. He brings up OJ?!?!?!

    C’mon now, Spacegirl…you know that cracker bitch was asking to be taken out. She was trying to keep down OJ, with all her rich white power trips. 🙄

  75. If he actually gives the grandmother paragraph, that will be ripped apart. Maybe that’s what is happening now. Axelrod is backstage ripping his speech apart

  76. Idunn…i forgot. I am just a stupid Whitey that doesn’t understand the Black Experience of being a multi-million dollar football player and a movie actor and a television spokes person.

  77. Oh…it’s a history lesson.

    Damn, I brought the wrong text book. Spacegirl, can I look over your shoulder at your book?

  78. pm, his grandmother is still alive. He never brings her out to the campaign trial and never talks about her. She is the one who raised him. Yet, he talks more about his step-grandmother in Kenya.

  79. does he ask for forgiveness? No. This guy was his spiritual advisor and mentor, how could he not be affected by this? Hillary would have been toast.

  80. BFD Barack. You just admitted to being a liar. Now you are plugging your book?!?!?!

    GIVE ME A BREAK. There is NOTHING PRESIDENTIAL ABOUT THIS MAN

  81. “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

    how quickly we change our tune!

  82. he just admitted to hearing “controversial” things in church…

    But we got him on tape saying that he didn’t think his church as “particularly controversial”

  83. Short repetative sentences…………………………….Declarative sentences…………..Saying the same thing…………..over and over…………….iambic pentameter………………………Short declarative sentences……………..that are repetative………………………..with long pauses……………………..dramatic long pauses…………………………….between short declarative sentences that………….are………….repetative.

    UGH. he makes me sick.

    I forget where I read it (maybe NY times) but an op-ed by a woman pointed out that Hillary is brave enough not to speak with her hair drapped over one eye in declarative sentences with an interogative cadance.

    ie- she aint a bimbo. Why do I feel like BO thinks I am one every time he talks?

  84. This has become a freak show. I think other more normal aa pastor’s are going to be pissed. He lumps them all in together. This is about his lack of moral and political judgement. Stop making excuses.

  85. I love how he lays the predicate that through his biracial upbringing he is the only person that can understand the world and heal us all, then says ‘how dare you argue that me being black is an advantage.’ Hello? The whole reason you say you can bring us together is because you are black-white and know what it is like to be different and yet the same. You Barack are the one making your race an issue in this race.

  86. You said it mj…this is a freak show. Him up there acting like he’s the president. Watch how all the pundits on cnn state afterwards how presidential he looks.

  87. SUGAR Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am
    Why do I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone?

    Because you are watching a freak show. This is so odd and rather sad.

  88. LoL @ everyone. I’m staying away from this today.

    I have a question though. I went to bed last night with one white sock on and one black sock on and i woke up this morning with only the white sock on. What does that say about me?

  89. # Independent Ben Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    he just admitted to hearing “controversial” things in church…

    But we got him on tape saying that he didn’t think his church as “particularly controversial”
    # AmericanGal Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    He will most likely get away with lying for the past week unfortunately…

    and we need to make shure that BOTH OF THESE THINGS DO NOT HAPPEN AND ARE OUT THERE

  90. But the whole church doctrine is based on being “separate” from so called “white America.”

  91. Please somebody put together a youtube with all the contradictions soon after the speech.

    I don’t like the line about his grandmother at all. Has he said that yet?

  92. Calling the coverage of Wright as a “characature” wil certainly get comment…it’s just more of what the campaign has been tyring to spin already

  93. Tinydancer – It says you are a RACIST because you left the other black sock in the drawer. Hey we found out one thing today. If Barack was at the Constitutional Convention he would have voted against slavery. I hope he continues to tell us things he would have opposed or supported if he had any ability to vote when they were decided. Oh, and if he refers to Geraldine one more time in this I think I’m going to throw something at my wall.

  94. mj, right. a freak show.

    We don’t need this dissertation on race from a Chicago pol. We need answers about his judgment. Instead of answering for his bad judgment Obama is dragging race into the discussion.

  95. Well, last night Durbin lied and said BO wasn’t a member when the Pastor made those comments. I think because he looks like something out of the ’60’s they figured acting like the video was from the ’60’s might work. LOL

  96. I think he compares Gerry Ferraro to his white grandmother who confessed to being secretly racist.

    (Remember how the media trashed Al Gore for talking about his sister? Somehow I doubt thiey’ll mind BO using his grandmother.)

  97. The only good thing if Barack gets the nomination – some really awesome 527 ads from right wing groups. I know they will use some of these soundbites laced together with Wright’s to make the scariest video we’ve ever seen.

  98. Don’t let him compare Ferraro to ANYTHING – his staffers saw this coming down the pike courtesy of Sean Hannity, so in a frenzy, they dug up that obscure Ferraro comment as a diversion. Shame!

  99. Of course he has an advantage in a dem primary where a third of the voters are aa by being aa. Does he think they are voting for him because they really dig a rehash of Bill Bradley’s campaign message? LOL

  100. Why in the God’s Name are we talking about slavery when his own ignorant pastor was the one who said such horrible things. As admin mentioned in the post, a presidential candidate is not merely a church member. He didn’t have to attend that church.

  101. Now we get the history lesson and the poor us and the Michelle “gimme something”

    now here is the GUILT TRIP on White America

  102. Have to watch pat Buchanan after the speech on MSNBC he is going to say Obama’s speech did not answer the questions and he is finished..

  103. So, give me the nomination, because of the past wrongs of America society. He is right about slavery, poor schools, racism,etc., but it does not take away from the fact that he had a spiritual advisor and mentor who preached black separatism. He did choose his grandmother, but he choose his spiritual advisor.

  104. I said he’d be placed in the Pews listenting to this shit.

    Wait till his own lies are exposed, once again by Fox News.

  105. A person might tolerate racial comments from a beloved grandmother but Obama choose to make Wright part of his family. If his grandmas comments made him cringe, why did he continue to associate with Wright whose comments he now says were divisive.

  106. I am gay. I have been out since i was 15. THAT is INSTITUTIONALIZED hatred as well. I am 50. I am fine.

  107. OK, Bambi – we get it. Racism is STILL a problem in this country – but you my man, are not the one to make it better. YOU are making it worse.

  108. And, Admin, you are exactly right. Chicago pols have no business talking about race or opportunity or anything else, while they benefit from the worst sort of plantation politics. I’ve sat on a south side school council where I had to convince black moms in the projects that their child DESERVED as good an education as my child, in order to get them to work together with families in gentrifying areas to improve the schools for their children. The anger and separatism preached from the pulpit keeps the plantation intact – we call them “poverty pimps.” Wright’s church and many others are some of the worst perpetrators of the status quo – on their own congregants.

  109. OK, so Obama is an admitted liar. And now I’m supposed to trust him? And now I’m supposed to buy this shit that he’s going to unify America? And move on? That nothing can be accomplished without dealing with our race issue? I stopped listening and giving him the benefit of the doubt when he admitted he lied. And lied and lied and lied…

    I’m not going to give this guy anything because there was slavery in this country forever ago. I don’t owe you one damn thing, Obama! If you wanted to be my president, you owed me TRUTH.

  110. This guy has separated me from my black friends/sisters, much in the same way that W/Rove/Fox News separated me from my dear republican mother. It’s divide and conquer; or, more like divide and ignore.

  111. Well, Scarborough and Buchanan both said he needed to totally dump Wright, in order to get this behind him. He obviously hasn’t done that. And he’s admitted he was IN THE PEW when stuff was said.
    He’s keeping Wright, dumping on his grandma, and giving us all a big dose of GUILT to deal with. what a guy!

  112. space: you get the nomination because you are part of a group that has experienced hatred and prejudice.

    This guy’s arrogance is dumbfounding.

  113. I hope Hillary congratulates Obama on an important and well delivered speech about the nature and history of race relations in the US….. and then brings up the fact that race has nothing to do with the questions about his pastor- the issue is JUDGEMENT.

  114. OK Bambi, if you’re really serious about healing us all – why do you go into MS and play the hoodwink/bamboozle card?

  115. He is SUCH A LIAR and an ARROGANT ASSHOLE. He has totally torn Bill, Hillary and Gerre up as racist, and here he is, being the biggest apologist for black anger in the world. He just lost Blue State America TOTALLY

  116. Basil – I’m at work now – should not be listening/blogging/etc.
    Now, he shouldn’t be talking about “the white woman working to break the glass ceiling” – he wouldn’t know anything about that.

  117. Right, Independent Ben. He also played the race card in SC, as well as MS.

    He has received sooo much air time, and Hillary practically nil. What a sham.

    Wright can be right on some of the issues, but his dramatic hateful presentation is awful. Nothing about the dissing of Bill and Hillary.

  118. look at all the zillion dollar basket ball players who act like jerks and SCREW UP LIVES…don’t give me this shit Barack.

    WOW…Do unto other as they do unto us! CODE to the Black Community?

  119. He keeps saying we shouldn’t play gotcha politics, and right after he does HE BRING UP GERRY EVERY TIME! HE IS DOING WHAT HE SAYS YOU SHOULDN’T DO!

  120. Maybe now that regular people are really paying attention, they’ll notice how BORING this guy is!

  121. angry black man .. he just matches his hateful mentor, spiritual advisor who he has admitted to setting in the church pews listening to

    When the videos arrive of his presence, his posture, and wifey sitting beside him. Can … not….wait

  122. plural: no, he did not repudiate that.

    He is soooo dismissive, which is what I hate about him. It is arrogance.

  123. PPP new poll in PA. Hillary up 26. Are they reliable?

    publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Penn_Release_031708.pdf

  124. ohhhh is this true

    “Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes”

    he said he was not there… bull shit

  125. …. so poor little bambi, the victim of his own Grandmother’s racism had to endure hearing epitaphs directed at black people around him making him a victim too.

    What we need now is a Godzilla to squish bambi into the dirt and end the damn cartoon.

    youtube.com/watch?v=pPFxBzlFe94

  126. caroline PPP is reliable.. they gave hillary 6 pt lead in TEXAS.. and gave 11 point lead in OHIO… 🙂

  127. yep – and he’s on tape saying he doesn’t think his church is “particularly controversial”

  128. THE BIG LIE: that HE is not the one playing the RACE CARD! Talk about bamboozlement, hoodwinking and the ol’ okey-doke!

  129. Thanks RJK and Informed.

    I just CAN’T read or listen to this BS and so I’m depending on the ace reporters here to give me a play-by-play, which I’ll check soon as i get back.

    😳

  130. Oh, fuck you, Barack Obama. How dare you tell me how to live my life and what I need to do to change or it’s my fault that things will remain so horrible. DON’T LIE!

  131. This guy is SUCH A LIAR!

    I’m re-posting:
    And, Admin, you are exactly right. Chicago pols have no business talking about race or opportunity or anything else, while they benefit from the worst sort of plantation politics. I’ve sat on a south side school council where I had to convince black moms in the projects that their child DESERVED as good an education as my child, in order to get them to work together with families in gentrifying areas to improve the schools for their children. The anger and separatism preached from the pulpit keeps the plantation intact – we call them “poverty pimps.” Wright’s church and many others are some of the worst perpetrators of the status quo – on their own congregants.

  132. so he admitted to LYING .. he said he never heard such controversial remarks .. he didn’t GET OUT of this church like at least Orca did.

    What does that say about him.

    This story is going to EXPLODE even more after today.

    He continues to lie.

  133. He looks so dumb up there. Not presidential at all. lol Maybe Hillary will make him her press spokesman. That’s what he’s looking like up there.

  134. this speech only keeps the Wright story in the headlines for days to come and keeps him off balance.

  135. Our talking point about his early position on the war:
    WAS THE VIEW PRETTY GOOD FROM THE CHEAP SEATS, BARRY?

  136. You were CHOSEN to run. You didn’t DECIDE to run. Your white puppet masters you hate. Dean, Rezko, et al, did

  137. Does anyone else picture Chris Matthews sitting in his living room naked maybe touching something right now. I assume this becuase of his irrational love for Barack. I’m sure tonight we’ll hear him say this was the best speech in the history of mankind and he’ll find someway to say how ‘amazing’ Michelle looks.

  138. I want Ashley’s email address – maybe she needs to find out that she has a much better choice in this primary.

  139. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 11:32 am
    Brit…His agenda is the agenda of the Black Community

    Actually, it’s not.

  140. Brit thought it a stretch in ways to vcompare his experience with Wright and his comments to an occasional comment of her fear of black men from an old white woman

  141. Idunn, if he were good, he’d have given up this church at least by ‘04.

    I meant that he’s good when it somes to giving speeches. And he is. He says some truly wonderful things in his speeches, and if he managed to live up to even of a fraction of the things he says in those speeches, I might even vote for him.

    Sadly, he doesn’t.

  142. He sure does like the sound of his name. (OK – i peeked but leaving now).

    BTW, there’s is a very intense post either upthread or in the previous thread of a video clip of NBPP being hounded out of a neighborhood.

  143. I am offended by the statement that white men will cross over and vote for mccain based on race. i will but it has nothing to do with race.

  144. OK….I have to get dressed and get some art done

    I will see tis ad nauseum all day, and hear it on RW radio

  145. Brit…His agenda is the agenda of the Black Community

    Actually, it’s not.

    I agree, MJ. His agenda is the agenda of Barack Obama.

  146. they cannot let go that he first said he was NOT there, and then said he WAS there

    this is a lie in the act

  147. It’s a bit funny, I think those of us who feel he does *not* have the agenda of the black church, Rev. Wright are people of color. Those of us who *do* feel he has that agenda are white persons.

  148. “Why bring up Gerre Ferraro”

    He was talking about bringing people toogether

    OMG

    Some black woman on Fox…it reminded me of Dr. King’s I have a Dream speech!

    PLEASE

  149. I wish somebody in the media would just play film of him doing his hoodwink, bamboozle stuff. I contradicts all the lofty crap he put out in that speech

  150. Kaff…interesting observation. I do not know, but I know he is a liar and unqualified to be the President, and he is supportive of a racist for twenty years, has friends who bombed the Pentagon and took money from Crooks that he denied.

    That is enough. Black or White

  151. Personally, I think it was a good speech. Brilliant? No. But it was certainly very good.

    Again though, there is a HUGE disconnect between what he says, and what he actually does. That’s a problem for me.

  152. Ben – good idea. Can someone please send that film to the media addresses? It should have a different effect now.

  153. Admin is right – it’s not about race. It’s about judgment. It’s also about integrity.

  154. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 11:39 am
    “Why bring up Gerre Ferraro”

    He was talking about bringing people toogether

    OMG

    Some black woman on Fox…it reminded me of Dr. King’s I have a Dream speech!

    PLEASE

    __________

    I know you must be joking! lol I swear, these people have lost their damn minds!

  155. He spoke of Wright’s anger, and said that we misunderstand it. Well, I saw some anger, but most of what I heard was HATE

  156. Major didn’t bring up the fact that he WAS there in the pews.

    Fox gonna let the speech settle in .. then Bam.

  157. He has speech writers to write speeches for him

    Exactly, they are not his words.
    Which is also why he words do not match his deeds.

  158. Was this speech enough for him (Obama) to move forward , or did it bring up more questions? (Iam so tired of BO).

  159. Well, everyone on MSNBC is saying it was a good speech. Buchanan thought it was courageous that he didn’t throw his friend, Wright, totally under the bus. But nobody has said the obvious: that Barack Obama is forever joined at the hip with Wright – and the hate that he spews

  160. Ben, I must admit, initially I did find a certain amount of respect for Obambi for sticking by his man. But after review, I realized, he had no choice.

  161. I wish they could have shown Hillary’s speech at the Beijing conference for women years ago. Can you imagine, bringing gender into the equation. She would have been trashed for it.

  162. Independent Ben Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 11:47 am
    Well, everyone on MSNBC is saying it was a good speech. Buchanan thought it was courageous that he didn’t throw his friend, Wright, totally under the bus. But nobody has said the obvious: that Barack Obama is forever joined at the hip with Wright – and the hate that he spews

    Yeah, but he threw grandma’s white ass under the bus.

  163. Hate, and divisiveness.

    Equating rich white people with all white people is very divisive.

    I really resent what Wright said about Hillary.

  164. Look, someone can attend KKK meetings for 20 years, and come away from that saying “Well, there are some nice folks there.” Maybe there are…I don’t think even the worst white supremists are all bad. They have children and families…I’m sure they love them and do right by them on the whole. Maybe they even give to charity. Who knows?

    My issue isn’t about whether or not people can be basically good people, and still do awful things. I already know that. My problem is that, IF Obama is really commited to the things he says, then he has an OBLIGATION to take a stand against things that fly in the face of his basic beliefs and moral standards. The fact that he either can’t or won’t…time and time again…is a BIG BIG problem for me personally.

    Do I think he’s a vicious racist? No. Do I think he’s took a stand against hate speech, bigotry, racism? No. And if you can’t bring yourself to take ACTION to make a situation better, what the fuck gives you the right to make grand speeches about it?

    That’s MY issue.

  165. Yep, he can’t divorce himself from a 20-year relationship. He’s praised and quoted Wright in his books, on and on.

  166. I think the other candidates from now on should never answer reporters’ questions…from now on just give a speech.

  167. I suppose the anger is real. But does that make it rational? Someone here posted yesterday that they are so busy raising a family and earning a living that they don’t have any time to be racists. And I agree with that. Perhaps Obama should show those that are angry that we all have these problems, at our particular income levels, and that some are angry in all groups. But that lots of people, instead of being angry, become productive. Or work very hard to take care of their responsibilities. Or ask for help.

    I watch very little television – don’t even have cable so I can’t see what you’re seeing but I’ll read the articles and maybe the text later on. It sounds like he is in panic mode trying to save his skin while throwing crap at everyone else hoping some of it will stick. I don’t think that he realizes the damage that he can cause to race relations in this country using that approach.

  168. The speech was very good, excellent in fact. The delivery was flawless. A very strong performance all in all. Well done. A very good review of the state of race relations in America.

    Howeverit does not address the issue of judgement. BO’s lack of judgment in identifying with Wright, accepting Wright, listening to Wright and then promoting Wright throughout his campaign as his Christian savior

  169. @dot

    Major didn’t bring up the fact that he WAS there in the pews.

    Fox gonna let the speech settle in .. then Bam.

    you can be sure the editing room is hard at work for Hannity

    II have to go work

    back later – can’t wait to see the reviews! LOL

    ADMIN….Where is my button! 😀

  170. In the end, those who support Obambi will find something in that speech to reinforce their belief. Those who do not support Bambi, or question him in any way, will find reasons to reinforce their belief. The bad part for Bambi, is that the impact of Rev. Wright has already infected the American psyche and has done it’s damage. Those people who began to question him last week, will in great numbers, remain against him now.

  171. a couple videos showing him in the church .. during some really controversial speech .. he’s admitted he was there

    he’s holding onto the side of the ship right now, it is sinking.

    Everyone get on the phone into Pennslyvania if you CAN .. we need to do a blowout

  172. I read on TM that Buchanan also said, however, that Obama called Wright words anger but they really are hate words and that the speech did not address how Obama could have been associated with this for 20 years.

  173. I can’t believe i’m saying this as a life long Democrat…but I’m really looking forward to listening to Hannity and Rush today. I feel dirty just saying it, but it’s true. I can’t wait until they lay into Barack all day long.

  174. Idunn, I respect many of your views, but I really do believe Obambi is a racist.

    Well, I respect your views too, Kaff. We aren’t always going to agree on everything. And that’s okay. 🙂

  175. Look, the question is why did BO wait until he got caught with his freaky pastor to make the speech. I would have liked him for VP. He could have honed the resume and the JUDGEMENT to become a future pres. But there is a real disconnect between this speech and his staying with this guy for 20 years. Just the political judgement alone is wanting.

  176. The American people get to make a choice. If they want a racist in the white house .. well, they can sit his ass in there. Unfortunately, we will all have to suffer if that happens.

  177. Idunn’s and my boyfriend, Pat B., seems to have hit it on the head. I’m so sorry I can’t watch from my computer!

  178. “They just showed the podium he will be speaking from and guess who suddenly likes the American Flag. He has 6 large flags displayed behind him – I bet he will even wear his flag lapel pin today.”

    –Obama’s going for a Bush “Mission Accomplished” moment! What a staged bunch of bullshit. They’re using this Wright shit to give Obama even more press.

    But I wouldn’t worry too much, people. Americans have been bombarded with Obama’s speeches all along, and they still wouldn’t vote for him in big-state primaries, in most primaries in general. And now people will remember those hate-based VIDEOS in the voting booths….

    Worry about the dem party, the DNC–THEY want to give this to Obama at all costs. I don’t think the majority of the american people do. More effort should be directed toward healing the party’s mental illness.

  179. They’re quoting him saying that American can change; that is the genius of America. But it’s obvious he’s saying that “white America” needs to change. How about the HATE of people like Wright changing? He needs to address that too

  180. From my own blog:

    “Obama is a chameleon and he is a weak, sniveling fraud. He remained a member of Jeremiah Wright’s church, listening to Wright blast White folks to no end, even though he is half white himself and was raised by white folks all of his life. What kind of person could do that? Deny their own heritage in order to blend in? There are some deep psychological issues at the heart of all of this and I tell you, I’m not comfortable at all with even the thought of someone who is so unsure of himself being elected to the highest position in this land.”

  181. Barack Obama – “I reject anything you might object to that has been said by anyone ever and if you object to anything else said in the future then I will reject them too, but if you agree with the statements then I also agree with them unless more people object to then, then I will reject them too.” I might be wrong, but my guess is none of the white people Wright went after with so much hatred currently own slaves. If anyone knows someone owning a slave I suggest they report it at 1-800-FREE-MEN.

  182. So this speech was his “present” vote?

    I did not watch his speech — can’t stand him. Looks like he does not understand he is playing for the big leagues.

  183. I am reading the reviews of the speech on National Review Online. They are quite negative. They are not buying it.

    corner.nationalreview.com/

  184. mj Exactly. He waits until his candidacy is in trouble to make his big race SPEECH. what about him using hoodwink and bamboozle in SC and MS, to fire up black people?

  185. I wish people wouldn’t compare Obama to MLK. It was a different time, the nation was in a different place and MLK wasn’t an opportunistic politicion trying to cover his ass. It’s an insult to MLKs legacy and everything that came out of it.

  186. GO VOTE:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23691276/

    Do you think Sen. Barack Obama successfully tackled the issue of race in his speech? * 625 responses

    Yes. He answered the tough questions and wasn’t afraid to be honest.
    70%

    No. He didn’t ease my concerns about the divisive comments of his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
    25%

    I don’t know. I need more time to review the points of his speech.
    5%

    Do you think the country is ready for a black president?
    * 615 responses

    Yes. Obama proved he is ready to lead and bridge the racial divide. 69%

    No. The underlying racial issues in this country have yet to be resolved. 19%

    I don’t know. I want to see how this speech is received by both black and white voters. 12%

  187. Here is a sample:

    The Politics of Grievance [Charlotte Hays]

    Obama is no longer a post-racial candidate. In his speech (it’s still going on, but I’ve heard enough) today, he has embraced the politics of grievance. He says that the Rev. Wright has “elevated what is wrong” with America — elevated?

    Not fabricated but elevated. Does that mean the Rev. Wright is correct about America’s deserving the attacks of Sept. 11 — but he just elevates it to undue prominence? Obama says that we shouldn’t “condemn without understanding the roots” of remarks like those Wright made. Whatever the roots, these remarks are to be condemned. Within what context is it correct for the Rev. Wright to say “God damn America?”

    I stopped listening when the senator started talking about immigrant Americans and it was clear that he was going to extend the roster of victims to include everybody. There is no excuse for Wright and his ugly sermons. Obama could have said he loved the man, but he’s wrong in his hatred of America. But that is not what Obama said. There is no excuse for Wright’s brand of hatred.

    03/18 11:42 AM

  188. Juan Williams bringing up that this is a judgement issue for Obama and says that the issue will go on. He says Obama did not explain the 20 year relationship.

  189. Okay, I have Barack figured out. He cannot get by his own race. Until he can get over the history of his race and understand that Bill Clinton’s remark that his “iraq story was a fairy tale” was just one politician responding to another politician’s speech and had nothing to do with skin color, we are not ready to deal with each other. Barack is too intelligent to be this sensitive. There was no racism involved in Gerry Ferraro’s remarks. She stated a fact as she saw it. In her heart she probably thought she was giving a compliment. However, this hit Barack as a racist remark. He is filled with immature sensitivity. You would think he is old enough and intelligent enough to have some understanding of white speech. How is a white person ever expected to talk to a black person honestly. They take offense at everything. I don’t know that I could think fast enough to censor my speech.

    Now I wonder how many AA I have offended just by being their friend and expressing myself honestly. No one has ever called me a racist but did they think I was one inside?

    This whole episode has opened pandora’s box for me. I am not ready to have Barack as my president. Besides this was his stump speech. This is how he got everyone to be part of his coalition. He is a great speaker. However, I do not trust him as far as I can throw him. He could and should have changed Rev. Wright’s thinking in 20 years. He had an opportunity to do that while he spent 20 years with him. Something still smells in the Obama neighborhood.

  190. Look, the question is why did BO wait until he got caught with his freaky pastor to make the speech. I would have liked him for VP. He could have honed the resume and the JUDGEMENT to become a future pres. But there is a real disconnect between this speech and his staying with this guy for 20 years. Just the political judgement alone is wanting.

    Couldn’t agree with you more, MJ.

    In fact, one of the BIGGEST issues I have with Bambi is the overall pattern he has of not taking a stand on ANYTHING. I have never ever seen him be courageous in his beliefs. He SAYS great things, but he won’t put himself out on a limb to stand up for the things he says he believes in. Part of me believes he consiously chooses to do this, because he wants to remain a blank canvas that other people can project their own thoughts and feelings onto. It’s a political ploy. The other half of me sometimes thinks he’s a man so desperate to be loved and adored, that he’s terrifed of confronting anyone or rocking the boat. Maybe it’s a little of both, who knows?

    Either way…I can’t get behind the disconnect. I’m not hiring him for the job of the “ambassador of great words”, I am hiring him for the job of running this country. Period. And THAT requires someone who has the courage to make choices and take stands on the issues.

  191. One last thing before I head off to work – it cracks me up that Obama was given every opportunity on every TV station to answer questions about his pastor, but he’s not the grandest when it comes to off the cuff remarks and q&as. So he wrote a speech to address it. It’s all about planning it out ahead of time. What happens when he has to give difficult press conferences on major issues? Is he going to be all “Okay, can you wait a day while I write a speech about this?”

  192. The perfect response to this speech – just play a clip of Obama down there in MS, doing his hoodwink, bamboozle number. That’s how he REALLY deals with race

  193. Irish, Obama and his entire campaign knew those remarks weren’t racial – but when it’s politically beneficial he will play the race card like that

  194. This is not meant to be a racist remark, this is *just an observation*. I have never seen so many AA commentators on these networks since watching them many years.

  195. A range of headlines

    The headlines:

    CNN: Obama: Constitution stained by ‘sin of slavery’
    ABC: Obama: Pastor Has Distorted View, But He Is Family to Me
    FOX: Obama Condemns Pastor, But Won’t ‘Disown Him’
    MSNBC: Obama: Racial anger is ‘real’
    CBS: Obama Urges End To “Racial Stalemate”

    That last one is probably the closest to what the campaign wanted — an emphasis on the broader issues of reconciliation, not the narrower one of Jeremiah Wright.

    By Ben Smith 11:59 AM

  196. regarding whether or not he’s a racist: he’s such a smooth actor that it’s hard to tell what he is or where he stands on something. I’d hate to be an auctioneer with him in the room. You never know when he’s bidding on something. What does he do when he comes to a fork in the road? Try to take both paths? Perhaps he acts like a racist when he is with some groups of people and then acts altogether differently in other groups. Is it racism if it is just an act?

    I’m sure that this place will be a lot of fun tonight with the articles rolling in.

  197. Idunn Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    ——————–
    about him wanting to remain a blank slate.. I agree with you. I am not interested in psycho-analyzing him — I want his principles and convictions to be evident from his courageous stance — he has to be courageous here because he put himself in a quandary and has for 20 years. We are not questioning about his association with Wright as a private citizen but we are questioning what it means for him to be our president in view of that association. What could he have said to allay our concerns in that regard? From all your comments he seems to not have addressed that at all. He seems to have said that blacks have a right to feel the way they do and whites have to change their ways and can’t we all get along?

  198. Juan Williams on Fox brought up that some voters such as Regan Democrats, Jews,and others won’t forget about the Wright comments. Can you imagine the ads in the GE with Wright commenting on Israel along with photos of Obama at those fundraisers for Palestine refugee camp. How would he win Florida or New York? THis Wright contoversy hits on many levels and with many voters.

  199. Americans have their problems, and I’m not big on having faith in general, but through Bush and all since, I still have faith in americans because they’re basically pragmatic (even though they’re too easily led astray by materialism). Most can see what’s going on. Bush’s support was overstated; likewise, Obama’s support has been overstated and I think it will continue to fall now (likewise, Clinton’s support is UNDERstated).

    The problem in recent times has always been: how to get the will of americans represented in government office? In my opinion, we’re living in a dictatorship; all the signs have been here for years under Bush, especially considering the soviet-style media, the stalinesque atmosphere here. Few americans want to admit this because they’re frightened and because they think dictatorship means a fascist army in the streets, and they don’t see this army—nor do they see dissent being squashed because they can still scream about the government on the internet. So they think, “This can’t be a dictatorship!” However, there are degrees of dictatorship. This a petty incompetent one, where the people “in charge” represent only a minority of the country and squash dissent whenever they can, but just aren’t that good at it because of their incompetence and because of entropy: america’s a big modernized country, large in area and diversity, it’s hard to keep it under too much control. Smaller countries are easier to maintain as dictatorships, smaller countries are easier to peg as dictatorships.

    My point in posting this is: most pragmatic americans can probably see what’s going on with Obama, so I think even more focus needs to be put on pressuring the self-destructing democratic misogynist party, the superdelegates, the petty dictatorial powers-that-be to oust Obama. THEY are the biggest problem. Fire off angry letters to THEM. Accuse THEM of causing all this. Show them you’re watching THEM and their government positions can be taken away from them too, even in a dictatorship. Probably nothing lasts forever.

  200. Idunn, I agree. The link to the Sean Wilentz articles will now make more sense to pundits and normal americans alike. Don’t let BHO get away with this bamboozlement! Send, send, send!

    “Race Man: How Barack Obama Played the Race Card and Blamed Hillary Clinton”
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

    “Hold on: 3AM Wasn’t Racist: Obama Supporters Cry Wolf on Race Again”
    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=fd72d239-fb33-4493-be6a-2a869fa597d2

  201. Barack Obama needs to be a preacher not a president. If Barack had come from a church with a preacher who expressed himself like Obama did today on television, the American people would have nothing to be upset about. He might be able to influence change in all the angry AAs.

  202. He might be able to influence change in all the angry AAs.

    Let’s not forget that there are a whole lot on angry whites too.

  203. Idunn Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    He might be able to influence change in all the angry AAs.

    Let’s not forget that there are a whole lot on angry whites too.

    Yup.

  204. and angry muslims…and angry latinos…and angry women…and angry men…just alot of anger in general, I’m afraid.

  205. How absolutely absurd to compare Ferrarro to Wright, and then not offer one word of kindness to her, while casting Wright as “misunderstood”. F this guy. Plus, he still has questions to answer. Frankly, in retrospect this speech(while a good speech) seems a very strange response to valid questions that should be answered.

  206. Regardless of the words Obama tries to project against dead air in a teleprompter enhanced environment people of common sense will agree that 20 years of inaction speak louder than words, that this association coupled with his use of the race card against innocent people in this campaign tells us all we need to know about who Barack Obama really is, and the bloom is most definitely off the rose. They will be highly skeptical of his attempt to intellectualize the issue and shift the focus from himself to us.

  207. you better elect him and have wright & farrah khan in your WH and see what happens…

    America has withstood worse, trust me. So far, we’ve even withstood Bush. 🙂

    Sort of.

  208. Here is a sample of headlines I found, decide for yourself what that indicates…

    Obama stands by controversial pastor despite race comments

    Obama speaks of anger, hope and a “racial stalemate”

    Obama defends, criticizes his black minister

  209. its upto you… on one hand you have a war hero who was POW for 5 years and refused to leave the prison because of being a son of admiral and insisted that POW’ who were captured before him be released thereby spent 4 more yrs in prison…

    on the other hand you have a person who goes to a church where they say god f**k america one week after 9/11… and whose church gave farah khan who praised hitler… hahahahahaha 🙂

  210. He has just made it okay to sit in a pew and listen to anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-everything AA.

    He has just thrown in everything but the kitchen sink to justify his race-tainted campaign.

  211. Did Obama say anything about the anti-semitism of his church? Did he disagree with it? Or did he excuse it? Did he ever stand up against it?

  212. “but I really do believe Obambi is a racist.”

    –Me too, Kafeen. I never thought this before but I see it now. No amount of speeches can basically change what people say with their ACTIONS. In the last thread I used the example from Victor/Victoria and asked about crossing a line. IMO, Obama has crossed the line; he continued to go to that church, he continues to support that person because he AGREES with that person. It’s as simple as that. Even if he didn’t agree, he will obviously CONTINUE to associate with people like Wright, which makes Obama unfit to be president here.

    I can’t believe people can fall for his speeches and compliment them; at this point, they shouldn’t even be watching them. There was someone long ago who knew how to push human buttons in his speeches, who displayed lots of passion when speaking, so much so that he could fire up people into a mania of emotions with his words, they would practically jump to his commands because his words moved them so. His name was Hitler.

    I’ve seen Obama talk, I’ve seen parts of his speeches, I’ve heard all the compliments people give him, but my eyes have shown otherwise. He’s a fake. Unfortunately, the very worst of the crackpots in the world don’t look like crackpots–they look normal, even charming to many people, they’re often nice-looking. They’ve learned to hide their enormous psychopathy behind a veneer of cheer; otherwise, they’d have been locked up somewhere long ago.

    I’m not watching this guy speak any longer, just like I have no interest in watching Bush or Hitler speak. I’m not letting their propaganda touch my mind.

  213. kaffeen, then look at the headlines on CNN/MSNBC

    And Fran, a very thoughtful post. I truly think our democracy would be in trouble if it were not for the Internet.

  214. >>>So far, we’ve even withstood Bush

    i guess BUSH kept you away from another attack… when your country is not safe it doesn’t matter whether the gallon of oil costs 50 cents or 50 dollars… 🙂

  215. Let me make a prediction:

    The big media, reporters, lefty anchors will all say that this was a brilliant sppech, sing Obama’s praises, quiver in front of him, and all the usual stuff.

    The real people out there will see this speech for what it is, blaming everyone else for his bad judgement, ever really answering the question of why he associated himself with this guy for 20 years and why didn’t reject this rhetoric and choose another church.

  216. >>“but I really do believe Obambi is a racist.”

    i tell you what, he is racist… you people must be scared to death to have this guy in WH period…

  217. I know that Obama is not a Muslim, but this could resurface and could have legs next time.

    If you mean it could resurface and have legs via republican attacks, it could. But I really could give a shit about that. Republicans, once the attack machine gets rolling, will dredge up any thing and everything on whoever the democratic candidate is. That’s a moot point for me. Even if it should turn out that Bambi IS a Muslim…so what?

  218. i guess BUSH kept you away from another attack… when your country is not safe it doesn’t matter whether the gallon of oil costs 50 cents or 50 dollars…

    If someone wants to attack and kill americans, they will. But I’m not ruled by fear. If it happens, it happens…nothing I can do about that, unfortunately.

  219. i see this post on ABC news

    “Obama said his mother was afraid to walk by black man on the streets (appararently she wasn’t afraid to lie down with a black man) and she made racists remarks that made him cringe. Question for everyone: Do we all believe that his mother who married a black man and raised a son that his skin color is black that she would be a racist. Does anyone believe that he made that up to make a connection to “Wright”. I think Obama is not whom he claims to be.”

    hahahaha 🙂 who the f888k does he think he is fooling with..

  220. does anyone else see the similarities with Romney’s speech on religion. His speech was initially thought to be so “great”- ie lets read the talking points, but within days people realized what he was really saying- “Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom” which is not true.

    BO is saying race matters but also that race shouldn’t matter- but this is issue has nothing to do with race. It has to do with Judgement. He showed poor judgement by promoting Wright as a testament to his Christian credentials while knowing the man is controversial and waiting until now to deal with it.

    Poor judgement is OK once in awhile but in a candidate who claims the upper hand in judgement- who claims to have superior judgement- there have been too many instances of BAD judgement.

    Wright and Rezko are just the begining. “Borrowing” words, nuking Pakistan, race baiting, not holding subcommittee hearings while too busy campaigning….

  221. Fran, I’m with you on your last post!

    Especially this part:

    “Unfortunately, the very worst of the crackpots in the world don’t look like crackpots–they look normal, even charming to many people, they’re often nice-looking. They’ve learned to hide their enormous psychopathy behind a veneer of cheer; otherwise, they’d have been locked up somewhere long ago.”

    The guy is a sociopath, or something!

  222. Rush is pointing out that JWright’s statements are not criticisms of American domestic and foreign policy they are pure hate. He is saying others’ pastors, rabbis, and preachers are not like JWright. There is no moral equivalence.

  223. Jithendra, you’re posts are strating to get on my nerves, so I’m just going to ignore them for awhile.

  224. jithendra Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    i see this post on ABC news

    “Obama said his mother was afraid to walk by black man on the streets (appararently she wasn’t afraid to lie down with a black man) and she made racists remarks that made him cringe.”

    Gosh, that “lie down with a black man” part is so damn funny!!! Alright, I’m off to eat my lunch and to see what O’Reilly has to say about all of this. Obama is toast. He can try to spread some Nutella on that bread all he wants, but I’m not eating it!

  225. Taylor Marsh ~

    “Senator Obama gave a speech today that is larger than politics, but it in no way ends his political challenges. The national wound of race Barack didn’t want to touch is now reopened nationally and in the spotlight again. While his campaign wants to move on, the country will not, because everyone will be talking about race, through the invitation of Obama’s speech today.”

  226. Re: lawsuit filed against the DNC in Florida:

    Atlanta (CNN) — The Democratic National Committee is violating the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by allowing only four states to hold caucuses or primaries before the first Tuesday in February, a Florida attorney argued Monday before a federal appeals court. Attorney Michael Steinberg filed suit in August on behalf of Democratic Party activist Victor DiMaio.

    The suit came after the DNC said it would not seat Florida delegates at the national convention because the state party defied party rules and scheduled its primary for January 29.

    A federal judge in Florida dismissed the lawsuit in October, but DiMaio appealed.

    “You can’t treat the citizens of some states differently than other states,” Steinberg told reporters after the hearing. “What I tried to assert is that the DNC has the right to make rules … but the rules have to be the same for all the states.”

    According to party rules, only Iowa, South Carolina, Nevada and New Hampshire can schedule their primaries or caucuses before the first Tuesday in February.

    Steinberg argued that the 14th Amendment, which bars states from denying individuals equal protection under the law, should prohibit the DNC from creating rules that make the votes of the residents of those four states “paramount to the rights of the voters in Florida.” [snip]
    “If you go before February 5, you’re basically screwed because you get no delegates,” he said. “We’ve lost 210 delegates. We’re the fourth largest state in the nation, and we have zero delegates.”

    “I’m not asking for a penny, I’m not asking for a dime in this action,” DiMaio said. “I’m just asking for my vote to count.”

    cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/17/attorney.dnc/index.html?iref=werecommend

  227. Wright and Rezko are just the begining. “Borrowing” words, nuking Pakistan, race baiting, not holding subcommittee hearings while too busy campaigning….

    voting present, making repeated “mistakes” on votes , telling the people of Ohio one thing while telling Canadian officials it means nothing, etc. etc.

    Yep…patterns, patterns, and more patterns.

  228. BO is saying, elect me president and you will no longer have to feel guilty about race. And I suppose we’re to assume that Rev. Wright and others will no longer hate us – if we elect him. Anyway that was gist of what I got.

    But ironically, I don’t think anything will improve for the AA community, for those schools, etc, under his presidency

  229. He can try to spread some Nutella on that bread all he wants, but I’m not eating it!

    LMAO!

    I’ve never cared for nutella, myself. 😉

  230. I want to ask this of the “Guerillary” Army (writers) out there, make sure that the news and media organizations are ware of James Cone. There are many comments made by Rev. Wright where he defends his church by the shield of Cone’s words. Let’s just say Cone’s words are, um, not politically correct.

  231. Fantastic post, Admin. My favorite lines are, “We don’t need to discuss Reverend Wright in a “broader context”. We need Obama to specifically address his lack of judgment.”

  232. I am usually very critical of BO but I really liked his speech today. I do not believe that it is going to be politically beneficial to him but his central theme that we can not continue living in a stalemate was refreshing. I agree that we should confront our fears in order to overcome them.

  233. mj and all the others who think Obama isn’t a racist, if Obama were white and went to a KKK-style church like that for years with a white racist pastor, had the pastor baptize his kids, marry him and his wife, implied that pastor was like a stepfather to him, continued going to that church, continued defending that KKK-style pastor no matter what came out about him speaking racistly, sexistly and anti-americanly–would you be saying that that white Obama wasn’t a racist?

    I suspect some people here are succumbing to the propaganda. STOP WATCHING HIM AND REPOSTING THE MEDIA’S PROPAGANDA ABOUT HIS “CHARM AND ORATORY” SKILLS. The media, the dems, HE wants you to keep that holy image of him in your heads to deflect all the unholy stuff about him. This person is as dirty as a politician can come, in my opinion.

    One speech and I think people here start weakening their stand against this guy. I’m sorry, but you’re being affected by his scam, people.

    This is Bush, Hitler and all the rest ALL OVER AGAIN. Do not be fooled, people!

  234. Sugar: The guy is a sociopath, or something!

    Yesterday, I was pondering that statement, because I am a psychiatric nurse and he does fit some of the criteria. At the very least, he is a narcissist. I am glad, you brought up this question: Is he a sociopath? Who is the real Barack Obama????

  235. “The national wound of race Barack didn’t want to touch”

    If he didn’t want to touch it, he should have rebuked his surrogates when they accused the Clintons of racism.

    There was no excuse, for example, for Jesse Jackson Jr. saying Hillary didn’t care about the victims of Katrina and implying it was about race.

  236. >>Rush says Obama trashed his grandmother and called her a racist.

    ohh yeah that is what obama meant wasn’t he when he invoked his grand maa (poor lady raised him)… why didn’t he just say wright is disgusting… i apologize to americans on behalf of my pastor … i apologize that he god d**ned america… that i was associated with him for a long time… i apologize that i lapsed in judgement… bull shit… he just defends wright and says his grand maa is racist.. bull shit…

  237. Rush says Obama trashed his grandmother and called her a racist.

    Who knows, maybe she was one. Or maybe she wasn’t. But either way, doesn’t have a fucking thing to do with Obama and his choice to stay at TUCC for 20 years.

  238. Clintondem99, Obama’s words may sound nice but they are nothing but a distraction from the actual issues. This is what Axelrod, Plouffe and Obama do every time he’s in trouble: try and divert attention to “broader issues” and give flowery, happy speeches.

  239. He’s something alright. He’s defiantely a sociopath. And, this speech does nothing to answer the questions, why the hell did he stick with this guy?

  240. Oh and by the way:

    “He’s not a racist. He just lacks commensense.”

    –People who lack common sense aren’t necessarily racists, but racists ALWAYS lack common sense. Racism is an illogical nonsensical thought process, in my opinion.

    That Obama seems to lack common sense is evidence that he WOULD be vulnerable to racist thought processes.

  241. I suspect some people here are succumbing to the propaganda.

    So if we don’t agree with you, we are succumbing to propaganda, Fran?

  242. So he has graduated from “bone-headed mistake” to i apologize that i lapsed in judgement.

    Rezko, Wright, Nafta, Wright, Wright, Wright…

  243. Fran, Ben, everyone: you are wise! No one should continue to be fooled by this wolf in sheep’s clothing. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice….shame on me!
    (Ronald, I shouldn’t be blogging at work, either…. I’ve got a lot of work to do… but, I also feel connected to one of the most important and historic political races of all time. Once again, thank you, all.)

  244. JanH at 12:54 pm:
    “So he has graduated from “bone-headed mistake” to i apologize that i lapsed in judgement.”

    YEAH, A 20-YEAR LAPSE IN JUDGMENT!

    Rezko, Wright, Nafta, Wright, Wright, Wright…green button, red button, no button, no meeting…..present!

  245. Oh yes, on NPR this moring on my way to work a woman commentator said something to the effect that she was going to go out on a limb and say “this is the most important speech on race ever (paraphrasing)”

    And NPR did what the Obama camp is doing and that is to conflate (I think that is the right word) Ferraro with Wright. The even quoted Ferraro a litte but not a single word of Wright’s was spoken by NPR.

  246. Oh yes, on NPR this moring on my way to work a woman commentator said something to the effect that she was going to go out on a limb and say “this is the most important speech on race ever (paraphrasing)”

    Oh good lord. 🙄

  247. OMG! Jesse Jackson has given more important speeches and not to get out of a tight spot. Please. This excuse making is nausiating.

  248. And I wonder how my co-worker that I mentioned yesterday will reconcile her comment that she agreed with Ferraro with how her hero is now equating Ferraro and Wright. You’ve got to know Geraldine is livid. Two great Americans Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro trashed by the Obama campaign. Wow! What great unity (snark)!

  249. dedfg Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    So when is his speech scheduled to address Rezko?

    Oh, yeah, the misunderstanding between americans and political fixers. That’s tomorrow I think. 🙂

  250. The AP take on things (which gets printed by many little newspapers and big ones world wide)….

    Obama Says Pastor Wrong and Divisive

    By NEDRA PICKLER and MATT APUZZO – 7 minutes ago

    PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Barack Obama unsparingly criticized his longtime pastor’s words while strongly defending the man himself Tuesday in a politically risky speech that appealed to the country to overcome racism and the black anger and white resentment it spawns.

    Forming a more perfect union “requires all Americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams,” said the Illinois senator running to be the first black president.

    “This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected,” he said.

    In his most pointed speech of the campaign, Obama confronted the nation’s legacy of racial division head on, tackling black grievance, white resentment and the uproar over his former pastor’s incendiary statements. Drawing on his half-black, half-white roots as no other presidential hopeful could, Obama urged Americans to break “a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years.'”

    “The anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races,” he said in a speech at the National Constitution Center, not far from where the Declaration of Independence was adopted.

    The speech was the most racially tinged during his campaign to become the first black president, covering divisions from slavery to the O.J. Simpson trial to the recovery efforts after Hurricane Katrina, along with his own background. Obama rarely talks so openly about his race in such a prominent way, but he recognized it has been a major issue in the campaign that has taken a “particularly divisive turn” in the last few weeks as video of his longtime pastor spread on the Internet and on television.

    Obama’s advisers say the candidate decided on Saturday to make the speech and spent much of Sunday and Monday writing it, finishing shortly before he took the stage. They said Philadelphia was chosen not because it has the highest concentration of blacks in Pennsylvania, the next state to vote on April 22, but because of its historical significance.

    Obama said sermons delivered by his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, “rightly offend white and black alike.” Those sermons from years ago suggested the United States brought the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on itself and say blacks continue to be mistreated by whites.

    While Obama rejected what Wright said, he also embraced the man who inspired his Christian faith, officiated at his wedding, baptized his two daughters and has been his spiritual guide for nearly 20 years.

    “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community,” Obama said, speaking in front of eight American flags. “I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

    Obama said he knew Wright to occasionally be a fierce critic of U.S. policy and that the pastor sometimes made controversially remarks in church that he disagreed with, but he said he never heard Wright talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms. The comments that have become a source of debate recently “were not only wrong but divisive” and have raised questions among voters, he said.

    “I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television sets and YouTube, if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way,” he said. “But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man.”

    Wright said shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

    In a 2003 sermon, he said blacks should condemn the United States.

    Obama said he came to Wright’s church because he was inspired by Wright’s message of hope and his inspiration to rebuild the black community.

    Obama said Wright’s comments have sparked a discussion that reflect complexities of race in the United States that its people have never really resolved.

    “We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country,” Obama said. “But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.”

    Obama said anger over those injustices often find voice in black churches on Sunday mornings. “The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning,” he said.

    Obama argued that the anger often distracts from solving real problems and bringing change. But he said it also exists in some segments of the white community that feels blacks are often given an unfair advantage through affirmative action.

    “If we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American,” Obama said, drawing a rare burst of applause in a somber address.

    An Associated Press-Yahoo News poll conducted in January found 15 percent of whites said they have at least a somewhat unfavorable impression of blacks, while 26 percent expressed a favorable impression. Among blacks, 7 percent had an unfavorable impression of whites, while 49 percent have a favorable impression.

    “In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed,” Obama said.

  251. you cannot have your economic advisor say to the Canadian leadership that your current stand on NAFTA is just words, that it’s campaign rhetoric

    you cannot have your foreign relations advisor tell the foreign press that your current stand on the Iraq withdrawals is just words, that your policy will change when you get into the White House.

    you cannot call your pastor, mentor, advisor Rev. Wright an obtuse uncle and then praise him for all the good work he has done.

    you cannot say your wife didn’t mean it when she said “it was the first time she was proud of our country” when set also sat with you in the pews of Rev. Wright

    you cannot change your accent and tel AA’s they have been bamboozled, hoodwinked, and okie doked and deny your inner racism

    you cannot refuse to wear a flag pin on your lapel, and fail to put your hand over your heart during the “pledge of Allegiance” and say you are patriotic

    Who are you Mr. Obama?

  252. still an incredibly bizarre response to legitimate questions of judgement and character.

    I dunno MJ…maybe this guy is actually so dense that he really doesn’t understand why his association with right raises questions about his judgement and character.

    Or maybe he’s simply the most brilliant, sleazeball politician to ever enter the world stage.

    I have no clue, at this point.

  253. How the hell can people make the leap from Ferrarro to Wright? God, the people need rehab. They are addicted to the hopium.

  254. No one should find it surprising that the big media would fall head over heels for this speech and try to declare this issue over.

    Mind you, this issue came to the forefront in spite of the big media which basically did not cover it.

    This issue will be kept alive once again in spite of them.

    Because, Obama has still not addressed the fundamantal question why he associated himself with this anti-American pastor for 20 years. His campaign is all about judgment, uet he has shown bad judgment on Rezko and JWright.

  255. Um, he’s not brilliant. If he wasn’t smart enough to leave this church with Oprah, he ain’t brilliant. Oprah might be, though.

  256. Looks like Michigan is not going to happen. According to MSNBC Obama campaign raised objections. That was predictable.I think our campaign should raise hell.

  257. Hold on: are people saying that Obama trashed his white relatives as being racist against black people? Is that what he discussed in his speech? If so….

    People, I feel like I want to smack some of you-slap-slap-slap! There’s your evidence RIGHT THERE THAT HE AGREES WITH WRIGHT, THAT OBAMA HAS A PROBLEM WITH WHITE PEOPLE. He’s slammed the white people in his own fucking family. Instead of using his speech to slam WRIGHT, he slams WHITE. Do you not get it yet?

  258. mj, he had to stay to alighn himself with the black community in Chicago. He lost his primary fight to Bobby Rush in 2000 because he was considered not sufficiently black.

  259. I just got e mails from Ted Kennedy and Pelosi asking for money. I unsubscribed from both lists, saying I was tired of the Democrats’ hostility towards Hillary’s candidacy.

  260. TPS Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
    mj, he had to stay to alighn himself with the black community in Chicago. He lost his primary fight to Bobby Rush in 2000 because he was considered not sufficiently black.

    Nope. I thought of that. Here’s the problem. He listened to the Wright tapes at Harvard. i think he was drawn to him. Second problem, he should have dumped him by the time he became a Senator, and certainly by the time he had presidential ambitioons. So, no, that doesn’t wash.

  261. Why would BO object to having Michigan voter’s voices heard? Um, what I mean is how can he get away with it?

  262. Oddly enough, this speech today was the ONLY speech I’ve ever seen Bambi give where I felt like there was even a HINT of sincerity. Kind of makes me wonder if he doesn’t feel…I dunno…chastened. Or maybe just too beaten down (politically) to muster the energy to be his usual old crafty self.

    LOL…I’m tired.

  263. mj – you are right. I mean, out of all the places in the US he might have settled after Columbia, he chose Chicago. He *chose* Trinity UCC. I mean, he researched it!

  264. Fox won’t let the story die. And the Republicans won’t let the story die. So eventually either now or later the rest of big media will have to cover it.

  265. Plural said earlier that s/he resented what Rev. Wright said about Hilliary.

    Me too.

    And I equally resent what he said about President Clinton doing unto the AA community what he had done unto Ms. Lewinsky. That statement was not political, not historically based, not true, not based on biblical teachings.

    It was pure hate.

    White, Black, Asian, Native American, Pacifican, mixed five ways to heaven, I am not going to feel guilty about Rev Wright’s pain, or Michelle Obama’s need for me to give her something here.

    I owe Senator and Mrs. Obama nothing.

  266. >>Why would BO object to having Michigan voter’s voices heard? Um, what I mean is how can he get away with it?

    he will give another speech to address florida & michigan viters after he got the dem nomination… heheheheh everything will be alright 🙂

  267. “So if we don’t agree with you, we are succumbing to propaganda, Fran?”

    –This is strawmanning. I never said what you posted.

    I think some people here are succumbing to the propaganda–bottom line. I keep showing why in my posts.

    At this point, ANY compliments toward Obama are also hurting Clinton. Are his supporters all over his sites complimenting Clinton? I’ve been over this stuff before, I’ve been over how arguing the other side’s argument just doesn’t work as a strategy, but I guess it never makes a difference. People will still keep complimenting Obama on her sites while claiming they want Clinton to win.

  268. Well, people still believe in the guy. Here is a posting from an Obama supporter:

    “This will be my last poston this thread but I will say…..listening to Obama’s speech today WOW……. he basically said it all. Like I said before, this country is blessed with great leaders and Obama is one. Thanks a”

    People are nuts.

  269. >>According to MSNBC Obama campaign raised objections. That was predictable.I think our campaign should raise hell.

    wait till he gives another speech addressing why he had to disfranchise voters in michigan and florida.. he woukld say people from FL, MI just have to move on and media says wow great speech…. hehehehe 🙂

  270. People, I feel like I want to smack some of you-slap-slap-slap! There’s your evidence RIGHT THERE THAT HE AGREES WITH WRIGHT, THAT OBAMA HAS A PROBLEM WITH WHITE PEOPLE. He’s slammed the white people in his own fucking family. Instead of using his speech to slam WRIGHT, he slams WHITE. Do you not get it yet?

    He didn’t slam his grandmother, just said that he’d heard her make racist comments that made him cringe. I would hope MOST people would cringe at a racist comment, no matter whether the person saying them was black, white, yellow, or purple.

    My PROBLEM with Obama is that, he doesn’t take a STAND against this kind of racial bias when he hears it. Not with his grandmother (of course, he was only a child then, by his telling of the tale), and not with his good friend The Rev. Wright.

  271. Informed in Illinois, Um, what I mean is how can he get away with it?

    With a nod and a wink from Dean, Pelosi, kerry and Kennedy. I am redy to walk out of this idiotic and self destructive party.

  272. Resisting propaganda isn’t easy–EVERYONE can be affected, subconsciously especially. At times over the past several years I’ve felt myself falling for propaganda, and even actually did a few times, but I forced myself to take steps back and center myself as “me” and not as what the media wants me to be and think and say.

  273. What to expect from Fox:
    …..and, if BHO is willing to throw his own pastor and his own family under the bus to serve his own political ambition, what would he be willing to do to America? It is difficult to imagine BHO defending the Constitution before he defends himself. He seems almost Nixonian.

  274. It all comes down to Obama’s “Did I hear him say something controversial?”

    NO, Obama. Not controverial. Hateful. Racist. Anti-Semitic. And if you just sit in the pews for 20 years and laud your pastor, you become part of the problem.

    Now you are trying to keep your black support while mollifying worried whites. Meanwhile, the concept of right and wrong — and Wright and wrong — is nowhere.

  275. plural

    I got the same emails for the DCCC , but I sent them a scathing reason for why I unsubscribed.

  276. so, now FL and MI voters are going to be disenfranchised. Nice. Democracy is dead in this country. People really want to destroy Clinton.

    I wonder, if FOX will play clips of Obama invoking the words of Malcom X, when he spoke to black audiences ie “hoodwinked,” “bamboozled,” “okie dokey?”

    Wright invoked Malcom X when he used the words, “The chickens have come home to roost.”

  277. At this point, ANY compliments toward Obama are also hurting Clinton. Are his supporters all over his sites complimenting Clinton?

    I say what I think, Fran…based soley on what I think. I could give a rats ass what Bambi’s supporters say and do. They don’t determine my thoughts or feelings anymore than you, or anyone else does.

    And I’ve always said that I thought Bambi was an excellent orator. Why on earth would I say otherwise now? Because YOU tell me to?

    Sorry, I’m nobody’s follower, Fran.

  278. You know what, this speech comes far too late. It’s like that aa Pastor said in the footage on TM, why didn’t he walk out of that church when he first heard these things? Why didn’t he at least when he decided he had presidential ambitions? None of this passes the smell test.

  279. birdgal
    There is no point in talking to them here is what a guy wrote to me today

    if he is done (BO), I can promise you that the Democratic party is as well. Democrats cannot win without black support. I’m not trying to cater to black America in that statement; just stating a reality.

    If this issue (non-issue) which was brilliantly addressed by Obama in Philadelphia today remains an issue, it reflects more on the American people than it does on Obama. Along with anything else, he even dismissed Geraldine Ferraro as being an issue for Hillary Clinton. And his message was far less about himself than about all of us.

    I found his speech refreshing and honest and mostly because it wasn’t about him…but about us and the things we don’t talk about whether we are white or black.

    If you wish to see Barak Obama eliminated from this campaign on the basis of who is pastor is, that’s your business. That such a move would be taking down the entire Democratic Party with him is not in question.

    I personally would not support either Obama or Clinton if they go into the convention trailing but use super delegates to get the nomination. And others will do the same as I would. Not vote. Either Obama or Clinton could get my vote under those circumstances.

    What you are failing to see here, John, is the number of Democrats who want no part in the party’s campaign or election if the voice of the people have been ignored.

  280. Rush says Obama’s speech is an act of political necessity not courage. He is playing clips of the speech and criticising it.

    Obama’s speech will placate elite media and latte liberals not so much the working class voters.

  281. @Idunn: With a nod and a wink from Dean, Pelosi, kerry and Kennedy. I am redy to walk out of this idiotic and self destructive party.
    *****
    My offer stands to reconstitute the National Woman’s Party. Who’s with me? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Woman’s_Party

  282. You know, I just realized as a got an email from Bill Clinton aka the Campaign – which said that Obama’s got his first ads up in PA and is planning to outspend Clinton 3-1 in PA, that another reason for the speech – a bunch of new ads he can throw out there to say he’s the uniter.

    What, is BO going to market us to death? maybe he should run for President of BBDO or Ketchum.

  283. I love Anglachel:

    “And who are these potential presidents? We have a Republican candidate who freely admits he knows squat about the economy and who has been involved in a financial scam (remember the Keating 5?). We have an Obamacan who is up to his ears in deals with a financial flim-flam artist and who doesn’t do much on the trail but bleat about his opponent’s alleged racism and wave his hands in the direction of “cleaning up Washington”. And we have a Democrat who understands national and international finance inside and out, who has been a close observer of national economic conditions and policies, and who can speak extemporaneously and with confidence about the complex interconnections of trade, local and regional economies, intenational financial markets and the difference between liquidity and solvency.”

  284. clintondem99 Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
    Informed in Illinois, Um, what I mean is how can he get away with it?
    With a nod and a wink from Dean, Pelosi, kerry and Kennedy.

    “I am redy to walk out of this idiotic and self destructive party.”

    ***
    with nearly 25% of Hillary voters saying they would never vote BHO you will not be alone!

    I say lets do it!

  285. In general I think DNC is going to listen to his and only his objections and ideas. He don’t want Florida and Michigan to re-vote and seated – they go with that. DNC is afraid to loose AA votes – and they go with that. They are puppets and this party is all together with them. Hillary should win PA and then let them try to take it from us – we Will go for MC Cain as a protest. I know I will.

  286. Rush had an interesting point (can you believe I can see thigs his way?!?!) and that was that Barack is not in his position now IN SPITE of the problems of racism in the country, but because of the healing of those problems, yet he wants people, OTHER people, to continue to believe that THEY can’t make it until HE helps to heal it.

  287. Well, I’d love to walk out on the Democratic Party, but unfortunately, I did that already.

    What else ya got? 😉

  288. See, that is what disgusts me. There is no evidence AA’s won’t vote for Hillary, and it’s absolutely wrong for BO to imply this.

  289. Idunn, his comparing his white grandmother to JWright is a problem because you don’t get to choose your grandmother (especially the one who raises you) but you do have a choice of your pastor.

  290. Today’s flowery speech was vintage Obama. Publicly, he acts like a professor, and tries to lead a “broad discussion” about an issue, and then privately, he’s acting totally different and being more divisive than any major politician in recent history.

    This difference between “public” and “private” personas is what America got burned by with George Bush. We got public, folksy speeches, and private, terrible events like waterboarding and Guantanamo.

    Another 4 years of that crap? No thank you.

  291. If he is such a uniter, then why did he use “bamboozled,” “hoodwinked,” and the “okie dokey,” when speaking to black audiences? Those are very racially charged words, and invoke Malcolm X.”

  292. I’ve got that song going on in my head and one phrase going over and over again: Oh lord, don’t let me be misunderstood…

    My bad, Obama. You gave a speech and all is well. Everyone can go home and pretend that Wright, Rezko, etc…never happened because you are the one!!!

    I’m going to be sick!

  293. okay jesse jackson says he bared his soul, and for americans a great learning process…

    SORRY!

    I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT, NOW THAT I THINK OF IT…
    I AM A NATIVE OF THIS COUNTRY, WE HAD ‘TRAIL OF TEARS’,
    AND WE HAVE SEEN RESERVATIONS, AND LOST SO VERY MUCH…

    JEWS HAD ‘HOLOCAUST’

    ASIANS WERE ALSO ROUNDED UP AND PUT IN CAMPS HERE IN AMERICA.

    WE TREATED IRISH FILTHY WHEN THEY FIRST CAME.
    WE DID SAME TO ITALIANS AND ARABS, AND THOSE FROM INDIA AND EVEN THOSE FROM SLAVIC COUNTRIES…

    LOOK AT ALL THE ETHNIC CLEANSING IN THE SERB COUNTRIES.

    AND VERY IMPORTANT: THE OTHER TRUE AMERICAN PEOPLES ARE LATINOS, WHO I MIGHT ADD ARE GREATLY DISRESPECTED AND DISCRIMINTATED AGAINST.

    WE ALL HAVE HAD PAIN BECAUSE OF THE PAST,
    YOUR PREACHING TO THE CHOIR…
    BEEN THERE DONE THAT…
    MOVE ON…
    THERES NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

    HE DOESNT REPRESENT ALL PEOPLE, HE JUST REPRESENTS HIS OWN…

  294. Idunn, his comparing his white grandmother to JWright is a problem because you don’t get to choose your grandmother (especially the one who raises you) but you do have a choice of your pastor.

    I didn’t hear him compare the two, TPS.

  295. I can no more disown him(wright) than I can my white grandmother

    what does this mean… does he have to explicitly say my grandmaa is raci88t and wright is patriot… 🙂

  296. Email from Bill Clinton, to supporters:
    —-
    Turn Up the Heat In PA

    Dear Democrats,

    The Obama campaign is already on the air with their first ad in Pennsylvania, putting their fundraising advantage to work. They’re going to spend every dollar they’ve got to end this race in Pennsylvania, and we can’t let that happen.

    In Texas and Ohio, your incredible support kept us competitive, and today this race is close thanks to what you did for Hillary.

    Now the Obama campaign is going to do everything they can to try to beat Hillary in Pennsylvania. They’re going to try to outspend us 3-1 on the air — and their first ads are already up and running.

    We cannot let them have that advantage. Hillary needs your help now to level the playing field in Pennsylvania and beyond.

    Contribute now to help Hillary win.

    You and I trust Hillary to lead America in a bold new direction — to fix the problems George Bush leaves behind and to accomplish goals we once thought were out of reach.

    Hillary is trusting us to make sure she has the resources she needs to win. We need to get up on the air in Pennsylvania to match Obama’s spending, and Hillary is depending on you to help.

    We can’t let this race be decided by a fundraising advantage.

    Contribute now to level the playing field in Pennsylvania and beyond.

    With your help, Hillary can win in Pennsylvania on April 22 and go all the way to the White House. It all depends on what you do today, so please act now to help Hillary win.

    Sincerely,
    Bill Clinton

  297. okay jesse jackson says he bared his soul, and for americans a great learning process…

    ROTFLMFAO!! So Jesse says this “soul bearing” is going to teach ALL of us the errors of our racial divisions, huh? Wow, if ONLY someone had thought of giving a speech about it before now! 🙄

  298. Informed…there is a button about half way down on the right side of the page that says “Recommend”

  299. Idunn, one of my main points is this: I read a review of one of his books that claimed he ignored/downplayed/diminished his mother in favor of praising his father. I’ve read the asian times article about Obama and his mother and his wife.

    In his speech, why not point out how his white mother married black men, why not compliment his white liberal mother? Instead, he points out how racist her mother may have been? Is this what happened? I haven’t seen the speech. As I’ve said, his ACTIONS are a thousand times more important than his speeches. This is the way it is with me and people in general–actions over words. (I’ve discussed on my blog about how speech-making ability likely shows little about a person’s presidential abilities. There’s little correlation. Bush sucks at speeches—sucks at SPEAKING, period–so did Bill Clinton make poor speeches—he always put me sleep. But Bill was a good president and Bush is an abomination.)

    In my opinion, Obama has a huge problem with white people AND women. Maybe his problem with women stems from his problem with white people and his mother is white–that started his woman hating. I don’t know. But I know a sick person on these issues when I see one. There’s something very wrong with Obama, and people keep buying the media’s “he’s such an innocent naive trusting personality” narrative to excuse away all his associations with offensive people, all his disgusting misogynistic sexist WORDS. Remember all his references to “old” when talking about Clinton? “Periodically feeling down” “The claws come out”—in my opinion at least, he’s lost no opportunity to inject personalized insults against her in a sexist way. Clinton is a white woman.

  300. OMG I am SO F****** SICK OF BARACK OBAMA I could scream. IF he makes it to the Presidency, I will have the TV off for four years, listen to talk radio and wait for the terrorists to attack and the economy to fold completely.

    As my God-mother said during the cold war…when everyone was building bomb shelters….”I’m going to go sit in the back yard with a cup of coffee and wait for the flash”

  301. Bambi stalling…

    Obama’s Michigan supporters have been openly skeptical, and national campaign officials issued a statement Monday evening accusing the Clinton campaign of “cynically trying to change the rules at the eleventh hour for her own benefit” by backing the second primary. But, the statement said, the proposal was under review.

  302. You know, I am very sour all of the sudden to this speechifying. This not taking responsibility. But, particularly, I am pissed off that this guy went to SC and Mississippi, and warned african americans not to be “bamboozled”, “hoodwinked”, and played the ole “hokey doke”. I am a white woman. I am a Democrat. he could have easily been talking about me. He takes no responsibility. Who is he?

  303. NOW: President Clinton makes a campaign stop in Lawrenceburg, Indiana.

    LIVESTREAMING:

    w*w.wthitv.com/

    (Also links for President Clinton’s upcoming campaign stop in Richmond at 3:30PM EST and rally in Fort Wayne at 6:45PM EST.)

  304. LOL! someone on Taylor Marsh is referring to Obama’s grandma remarks as Grandma got Run Over By Obama. I’d love to see the song parody youtube of that!

    The sad thing to me is that he COULD have been what he claims to be – a unifying and healing figure. But he wanted to win more than he wanted to help the country, so HE CHOSE to inject race and fan hatred to garner more votes. Now he wants to decry racial divisions, but still use those divisions when he pleases, and reap the benefits of them. Hypocrite.

  305. I don’t think that Obama would bare his soul to anyone. Even under stress, he’s thinking about how to finesse every answer, how to duck questions and whether what he’s going to say would conflict with what he’s said before. No wonder he prefers speeches to interviews.

  306. all his disgusting misogynistic sexist WORDS. Remember all his references to “old” when talking about Clinton? “Periodically feeling down” “The claws come out”—in my opinion at least, he’s lost no opportunity to inject personalized insults against her in a sexist way. Clinton is a white woman.

    Sounds alot like something Al Sharpton would say to pin racism on someone. People misspeak all the time. Sometimes they use innocent words and phrases and OTHER people see what they want to see in them. That’s a fact, Fran.

    I honestly have no idea whether or not Obama is a racist, or whether he has deep seated problems with women. I don’t feel I’m in a postion to judge that, given I don’t know the man. What I can try to ascertain though is whether or not his words match his actions. In my opinion, they don’t. And THAT is MY issue with the man.

    And, of course, the fact that he’s the antichrist…and I’m not down with that. 😉

  307. One last time: people make repeated whines and complaints here and elsewhere about how unfair the media is, about how does Obama always get a pass and special treatment and how does Clinton always not get a pass and not get special treatment, and they don’t seem to understand that THEY are doing this TOO when they compliment Obama.

    They are using the same double-standard when they compliment Obama when his supporters NEVER compliment CLINTON, when his campaign NEVER compliments her campaign. They do everything to disparage her. If you don’t like the media’s double-standard, stop using the same fucking one. Stop giving Obama preferential treatment. He gets tons of positive press in the media; he should not be getting the same on Clinton’s sites. I mean, for chrissake, this stuff should be obvious.

  308. Fran, look you and Idunn are coming from different view points. I, myself, do not buy that BO has used openly sexist terms to describe Hill by accident. But, let’s just let people agree to disagree.

  309. If BO wanted to be a uniter, he could start by rebuking Wright for his hate-filled tirade against Hillary.

    But I bet the pretty speech didn’t do that, did it?

  310. OMG I am SO F****** SICK OF BARACK OBAMA I could scream.

    Yep. I’m there myself, Spacegirl. I’m also sick of the media, the DNC , this entire democratic race, over-used phrases, close minded idiots from every walk of life , and my computer screen.

    AND the color pink. 😉

  311. plural Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
    If BO wanted to be a uniter, he could start by rebuking Wright for his hate-filled tirade against Hillary.

    But I bet the pretty speech didn’t do that, did it?

    Well, the press really didn’t cover that, so, no.

  312. “… when his supporters NEVER compliment CLINTON, when his campaign NEVER compliments her campaign. They do everything to disparage her. ”

    Fran, I do agree with this statement.

  313. If BO wanted to be a uniter, he could start by rebuking Wright for his hate-filled tirade against Hillary.

    Ayup. And for Wrights dredging up a very painful period in her life, and laying it out there for his entire congregation to laugh and cheer at.

  314. Idunn Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    If BO wanted to be a uniter, he could start by rebuking Wright for his hate-filled tirade against Hillary.

    Ayup. And for Wrights dredging up a very painful period in her life, and laying it out there for his entire congregation to laugh and cheer at.

    Yep. So mean spirited. And, at a christmas service no less. Well, look, they are already calling her cynical for thinking MI should have a voice. So wrong.

  315. I think we can all agree BO is pretty much toast. Even if he does get nominated it’s over for him in the GE. He won’t appeal to Jewish & Hispanic voters in Florida or New York & white working class voters in OH and PA won’t go for him either. Oh, we’d also be lucky to hold CA,NJ, and MA.

  316. Poll: Wright likely to hurt Obama

    By S.A. Miller
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    March 18, 2008

    More than half of Democrats and nearly two-thirds of Republicans would be less likely to support Sen. Barack Obama for president after viewing video clips of his longtime friend and pastor espousing a radical “black power” worldview, a poll showed yesterday.

  317. “… when his supporters NEVER compliment CLINTON, when his campaign NEVER compliments her campaign. They do everything to disparage her. ”

    And so WE must all never say anything at all good about Obama, because we’re better than the Obamatons? Or because tit-for-tat is such a higher platform? or…what exactly?

    Like I said, I say what I think. NOBODY dictates my words…not Big Pinkers, not Obamatons, not Obama and not HRC. Sorry.

  318. I agree – someone said that Ferraro should sue BO for defamation of character. Remember she said in the Ann Curry interview (?) that he needs to tell his supporters to turn off that “spigot of hate” – referring to horrible emails she’s gotten since some BO supporters published her email.

    I would love her to read publicly the worst of these emails because it’ll prove that his minions are nothing less than HATERS and that they will follow BO and Wright, the preachers of divisiveness and hate.

  319. Idunn, here is where Obama compared his white grandmother to JWright:

    “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

    If that is not a comparison, what is?

  320. « The Ron Paul revolution continues | Main
    A little parsing of Barack Obama’s race speech

    Lord knows Barack Obama’s Philadelphia speech on race is going to get dissected like a high school biology experiment, but one element jumped out as he delivered it a little while ago. Earlier, Obama said he had never himself heard the Rev. Jeremiah Wright make the kinds of comments that sparked the furor over the last several days.

    But in this morning’s speech, Obama said this about Wright:

    “For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -– just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”

    It’s not quite a repudiation of his earlier comments published on Huffington Post. In that piece Obama wrote:

    “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.”

    The difference is that Obama said then, essentially, that he had not witnessed the sermons captured in videos now posted on YouTube. But his comments today raise the question, to paraphrase history: What did he hear, and when? And what did he hear during Wright’s sermons that “could be controversial?” If he disagreed with them, why didn’t those comments move Obama to repudiate Wright then? Especially since the campaign knew Wright could pose a problem.

    Obama supporters will argue that such questions are focusing on the trees instead of the forest. Given Obama’s attempt to direct the campaign forward, that may be a fair take on it all. But to get into the forest, you have to pass those first few trees.

    — Scott Martelle

  321. “Sounds alot like something Al Sharpton would say to pin racism on someone. People misspeak all the time. Sometimes they use innocent words and phrases and OTHER people see what they want to see in them. That’s a fact, Fran.”

    –You’re defending Obama??? Is that it? You don’t think what he’s said and done was sexist against Clinton? And you’re comparing what I wrote–and ME–to Al Sharpton–what the fuck?!? And then calling your comments a “fact”? Are you kidding? What’s your game here? Are you for real? You keep attacking me when I attack Obama now. Give me a break.

    “Misspeaking” when it comes to isms is largely irrelevant, in my opinion. A person’s intent is largely irrelevant. THAT the words come out sexist, racist or whatever is what counts. The words Obama has used toward Clinton are sexist buzzwords. I don’t give a shit if he didn’t intend to speak sexistly (and I think he actually did intend it), he has actually spoken and behaved sexistly toward Clinton. If you don’t think so, I think you may be on the wrong site.

    In the first part of your post to me, you are also once again using the media’s poor naive idealistic Obama narrative to excuse away his behavior.

  322. My prediction: The DNC will not seat MI and FL because they’re afraid of angering Obama’s supporters. And if Hillary doesn’t catch up to him in the popular vote without FL and MI, she can make a strong case the DNC screwed her.

    BTW, the DNC doesn’t care about sacrificing FL and MI in the GE, practically guaranteeing Obama will lose in November. His campaign is holding the DNC hostage essentially.

  323. Apparently the videos of Trinity honoring Farrakhan were yanked from YouTube. I found a place to download them on an unrelated site. I’m going to take a look at them at home tonight to see if Wright is doing the honoring.

  324. So I guess this speech was to calm down the masses and turn the media away from Obama/Wright connection and to the idea that only Obama can right the wrongs of the United States of America.

    I’m not an American.

    Did it work?

  325. Ya know…Trent Lott was kicked out as Majority leader for “joking” about Strom Thurmond’s (?) 0 year old association (or was it Byrds?) and this guy gets a total pass. JJust like the Bob JJones condemnation resolution.

    The democrats are total hypocrites and morally bankrupt

  326. I agree with Fran about the sexism. It’s been rampantly used by BO in this campaign, and in some states it’s worked quite well.

  327. Please….

    allow your anger to translate into hard working $$ for Hillary….CONTRIBUTE NOW

    Hillary is not giving up on you!

    CONTRIBUTE NOW

    go on just do it !!!

    go on……..

  328. Obama believes every problem can be solved with a nice speech. Hillary believes in just doing her job. There’s zero evidence to me that Obama would be anything other than way over his head as president.

  329. hi all! i just wanted to pop my head in for a sec and ask you guys to look at this…

    forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2777454&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=39

    make sure you look at the post by burmart at 18:21, quoting fran. then look at her actual post. they take our posts and then change the words.

    i wasnt aware of this site until someone have me the “heads up”… when i went over there i realized that our posts were being copied and pasted and dissected over there. okay, fine. kinda weird, but whatever floats their boat.

    the thing that freaked me out is that … for those of us that post here and had our own personal blogs linked to our usernames… these people were going onto our blogs and copying and pasting our photos over there on their board!

    that to me was too much… they put our pics up over there and take our words and change them into disgusting foul things that we didnt say, but they attach our photo to it??? just like they did to fran’s post that i put up here.

    ive stopped posting for the time being and have kept in touch with a few of you through email… i hate being a lurker esp in lieu of all of the developments.

    well… i just wanted to say “hi” and give you guys the heads up on what these freaks are doing! luv ya! miss ya! xx~divabunny

  330. Juan Williams was ripping BHO a new one on O’Reilly’s radio show! He said that BHO had no business trying to compare his grandma to Wright. I concur. That was a very cowardly thing to do and I would have never done that to my poor old grandma. He gave a pretty little speech today, but he ducked and dodged the heart of why it was even necessary with so much ease. His judgment is flawed.

  331. If that is not a comparison, what is?

    I don’t see where he has compared Wright to his Grandmother. What I hear him saying is that he can’t disown either him OR her. That’s bullshit, btw. You can disown anyone and anything you choose to.

    What I glean from what BO is saying is that Wright is a mentor and a friend, and even though he disagrees with things Wright has said (BO’s words, not mine), he can’t disown the man. He goes on to say that he also can’t disown his Grandmother either, simply because she has also made racist comments.

    1). You can disown anyone and anything you choose to.
    2). You don’t have to disown someone simply because you refuse to support (or aid and abet) their racism.

  332. Obama has used sexist code words against Hillary and has been pretty quick to play the racist card taking innocuous comments from Hillary and Bill Clinton and and turning them into racist comments.

  333. I agree with Fran. Obama and his campaign people have used, by insiduous means or otherwise, sexist/demeaning phrases regarding Hillary Clinton. The old boys club is in play and even had John Edwards as a member earlier on in the campaign, especially during the debates.

  334. Memo to B.O.: too little, too late.

    If you’re SERIOUS about “uniting the country” and “transcending race” then it’s time to drop out of the race. Give the party the time and healing space to coalesce around a real winner, who has worked for REAL change.

    BE the change of which you speak. Step up and take this opportunity to be the force for UNITY which you claim to be. Step aside, for the good of the nation.

  335. Space, this just pisses me off, we shouldn’t have to go *search* for ways to hear our candidate. Everything Obambi does is on every channel.

  336. Idunn, it’s an obvious comparison. I’m not sure how you don’t see that. Further, one can’t pick their grandparents, but clearly an adult can pick his pastor.

  337. You can try to disown your grandparent, but they are still your grandparent. If you disown your pastor, he literally is no longer your pastor.

  338. WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s activities while U.S. first lady will be made public on Wednesday, the National Archives said on Tuesday, in response to legal pressure by a watchdog group.

    The records, some 11,000 pages in all, document nearly all of the meetings, trips, speaking engagements and social activities Clinton engaged in while her husband, Bill Clinton, served as president between 1993 and 2001, the National Archives said.

  339. You keep on trying to strawman:

    “Like I said, I say what I think. Like I said, I say what I think. NOBODY dictates my words…not Big Pinkers, not Obamatons, not Obama and not HRC. Sorry.”

    –So must you keep saying what you think in public, even if you knew it would hurt Clinton, you’d still say it? Is this what you’re implying? That’s what it sounds like to me. You’d keep complimenting Obama on her sites, no matter if it could be shown that those compliments have helped give this person his teflon coating? No matter how many propagandist media articles and his supporters and his campaign keep repeating the narrative of his being a “great orator” and “making good speeches,” you’re gonna keep parroting that narrative too? If so, how exactly will complimenting Obama help Clinton? How exactly will giving Obama even MORE compliments than the media’s already given him help Clinton?

    I’m sorry, I think your posts are making no sense now. On one end you call Obama the anti-christ, on the other you’re complimenting him. To me, your posts sounds like you’re starting to like him. Or maybe you always have, which is your business, but then maybe you’re not on the right site–that’s all I’m saying.

    I still think some people are simply being affected by the propaganda. This will happen sometimes. It’s unavoidable in this soviet-style media climate.

  340. i checked out the link in divabunny’s post from above she’s right very wierd comments lifted right from here and posted
    strange

    forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2777454&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=39

  341. Idunn, it’s an obvious comparison.

    Sorry, MJ. It just isn’t an obvious comparison to me. But it doesn’t really matter to me whether there’s a comparison being made there or not. If Grandma is a racist, he should condemn her words too.

  342. Watching CNN stream & love Hill’s red suit. Hate that necklace though! She looks better w/ pearls.

  343. Also, i’ve had plenty of Hill supporters like him one day, and then the next day be totally pissed off. As far as I am concerned Idunn is entitled to say whatever she wants.

  344. Idunn Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
    Idunn, it’s an obvious comparison.

    Sorry, MJ. It just isn’t an obvious comparison to me. But it doesn’t really matter to me whether there’s a comparison being made there or not. If Grandma is a racist, he should condemn her words too.

    nah. We don’t know grandma’s words. She’s not a public figure. She’s not a spiritual leader. No, he should not have done that to granny.

  345. Also, i’ve had plenty of Hill supporters like him one day, and then the next day be totally pissed off.

    Well, I’m not a fan of Bambi’s. That said, even the devil himself isn’t wrong ALL the time. 🙂

  346. Idunn, I think the implication of Obama’s comments regarding JWright and his grandmother is pretty clear. He is drawing an equivalence between what JWright said publicly and what his grandmother apparently said to him privately (we have to take his word on this, I suppose). That is where the comparison is. Do you think the two events are comparable? I don’t think so.

    He used his own grandmother’s (supposed) private words to cover himself on his bad judgment regarding JWright. At a minimu, that was incredibly unfair to her.

  347. nah. We don’t know grandma’s words. She’s not a public figure. She’s not a spiritual leader. No, he should not have done that to granny.

    I wasn’t suggesting that he was right to bring her name up in a public speech, MJ. I’m saying that, he shouldn’t have stood silently by and let her spew racist shit any more than he should have stood silently by and let Wright spew racist shit. There’s no difference, imo. And just because she’s his granny, that STILL doesn’t make his silence right.

  348. yeah, I also checked out the forum.somethingawful – and more disturbing people (Ikata) on this forum with Avatar of the Cho guy who killed all those people at Virginia Tech.

    Maybe the FBI should check that one out – actually makes me wonder if they’re tracking that kind of stuff anyway (hi Ikata!).

  349. Look, all I know about his granny is she raised him and sent him to an elite private school in hawaii to give him every advantage. There was no reason to go there.

  350. “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.”

    –What a fake bunch of B.S. A person can easily be disowned by simply disowning the person. Even a relative can be disowned, can be repudiated, by simply denouncing the person and never speaking to the person again, never swimming in that person’s type of ocean again. Obama refuses to do this. He likes swimming in Wright’s sea of hate. I’ve disowned by blood family pretty much–I no longer speak to them for various reasons.

    In my opinion, Obama’s a fake and a coward–and a believer in what Wright preaches. And not only that, but in that statement he’s equated the “black community” with Wright. What an insult to black people. Wright is ONE black person; he ain’t the “black community,” and neither are his views, at least not going on most of the black people I’ve met. Though maybe I’m wrong about them–I don’t know. Lately I feel like I don’t know what to think anymore.

    But I do think Obama thinks the people he’s talking to–the white people–have had no experience with black people, his campaign seems to think white people don’t know what goes on in black churches so they’ll just buy what Obama says in this speech. I’ve been to a black church; it was NOTHING like what this Wright’s church is about.

  351. i want to protest CNN… they keep calling INDIA third world country… hellowwww 4 out top 10 rich men from Forbes list is from INDIA this year.. CNN should know the facts right before calling INDIA third world country bull shit

  352. Do you think the two events are comparable?

    You mean do I think the racism is comparable (assuming again that granny DID make racial slurs)? Yes. Racism is racism is racism.

  353. SHE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIM AS A POLICY PERSON, AS A THINKER, AND AS A PERSON IT IS NOT FUNNY

  354. is there a way i can protest in front of CNN head quarters for calling INDIA third world country… bull shit…

  355. She is so informed and gracious and intelligent and articulate and sensible and grownup. We need this woman as president.

  356. Also TPS, if Bambi IS making a comparison at all, he’s comparing the man Wright, to the woman his Grandmother. If she said, “kill the niggers!” and he said, “Kill whitey!” what the hell’s the difference? She’s somehow better because she’s not a public figure? Or because she’s old? or because she’s…white?

  357. Idunn Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
    Do you think the two events are comparable?

    You mean do I think the racism is comparable (assuming again that granny DID make racial slurs)? Yes. Racism is racism is racism.

    How can you possibly say that? Sure, racism is racism. But, granny(and we really dont know what she said because her words are not a matter of public record)didn’t use a position of authority to spew hatred onto an entire community of parishoners.

  358. “Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s activities while U.S. first lady will be made public on Wednesday, the National Archives said on Tuesday, in response to legal pressure by a watchdog group.”

    And we’ll learn from that that all she did during those eight years was sit on her ass and drink tea, right? LOL!

  359. Idunn Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
    Also TPS, if Bambi IS making a comparison at all, he’s comparing the man Wright, to the woman his Grandmother. If she said, “kill the niggers!” and he said, “Kill whitey!” what the hell’s the difference? She’s somehow better because she’s not a public figure? Or because she’s old? or because she’s…white?

    Ah, no. But we have no idea what she said. So, you are just assuming the comments(if there really were any) were equally divisive.

  360. She is so informed and gracious and intelligent and articulate and sensible and grownup. We need this woman as president.

    I know…I just love her. But honest to god, if “day one” comes out of her mouth one more time, I’m gonna have to smack her.

  361. “I’m saying that, he shouldn’t have stood silently by and let her spew racist shit any more than he should have stood silently by and let Wright spew racist shit.”

    –Huh? What if he were a KID when she said that stuff? He’s an ADULT NOW. He can easily walk away from Wright as an ADULT. He could NOT easily walk away from his grandmother if he were a child and dependent on her. If Wright were in his childhood and a relative and had been saying hateful to white people things, I’d be saying the same thing now–Obama shouldn’t be held responsible for what he did as a child when he was living under his family’s mindset and had no choice then. This is almost like an abuse situation. The child can’t be expected to do anything about that.

    But NOW, as an ADULT, his behavior on Wright is horrendous. He can TOTALLY walk away.

  362. This is my letter to the super-delegates (today).

    For the sake of our party, please pressure Obama to drop out of the race now. His unelectable in the GE.

    Mr. Obama is arrogant and lacks the judgment and character to be POTUS.

    As Rev. Wright has said on many ocassions, you should read James Cone. That is what Obama believes in (black theology). In Cone’s words, he believes that the only God that should be worshiped is the one who will empower the AA community and *destroy* the white community. If you think I am making this up, go read for yourself.

  363. he was saying some thing like you can blast the houses of honkey ponkey some thintg on those lines

  364. Did she say “day one”? I didn’t notice. I did note her answer to the question about mortgages, which was incredibly well-informed. From the New Deal and how they handled the problem to what she’s heard from people on the campaign trail.

    So impressive.

  365. McCain isn’t just a dummy on economic policy, apparently, lol:

    He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda. In fact, officials have said they believe Iran is helping Shiite extremists in Iraq.

    Speaking to reporters in Amman, the Jordanian capital, McCain said he and two Senate colleagues traveling with him continue to be concerned about Iranian operatives “taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back.”

    (From

    Pressed to elaborate, McCain said it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.” A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate’s ear. McCain then said: “I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda.”

    The mistake threatened to undermine McCain’s argument that his decades of foreign policy experience make him the natural choice to lead a country at war with terrorists. In recent days, McCain has repeatedly said his intimate knowledge of foreign policy make him the best equipped to answer a phone ringing in the White House late at night. … ..

  366. Idunn, I know the repeating of talking points can be irritating, but it works. You would not believe how many peopl told me they support Hill because she really is ready to clen up Bush’s mess on “day one”.

  367. Paula, she herself remarked about the Archives release in the presser she just gave, and didn’t seem to have a care in the world about it. She was funny.

  368. Ah, no. But we have no idea what she said. So, you are just assuming the comments(if there really were any) were equally divisive.

    Obama said she was afraid of a black man on the street. Fear of someone based soley on skin color is racist. It’s ugly…it’s hurtful…it’s psychologically damaging.

    Now, I only have BO’s word that Granny even said that, but if she did, then he should have condemned it right then and there. Loudly.

    My point is, you can’t have it both ways, MJ. You can’t say that prejudice and bigotry and racism is wrong ONLY when you find it convenient to do so. You either think it’s wrong no matter WHO does it, or you think it’s okay no matter who does it. Can’t pick and chose.

  369. Idunn, there is a huge difference between what a public figure says and what a private person apparently said in private. What a public person in a position of leadership says has a huge impact on the society. In the case of JWright, it certainly had an effect on his large congregation. They all seem to think there was nothing wrong in what he said. What Obama’s grandmother said or did not say in private had no impact on the society at large.

    It is the difference between what Trent Lott said about Strom Thurmand and what some unknown supporter of Strom Thurmand says. The society appropriately reserves much stronger condemnation to public figures espousing hatred of any kind. And here, we are talking about public acts and public condemnations. If a relative of mine says something inappropriate in a private conversation, I would speak to her/him privately, not publicly. If a public figure says something hateful, my reaction should be instantaneous, public, and strong.

    That is the difference.

  370. I actually think some of the more formal first lady stuff, the focusing on women and children while on visits to other countries, etc., makes her more attractive as a candidate. We’ve never had a president who had the professional experience of focusing on the family and womens issues stuff.

  371. Huh? What if he were a KID when she said that stuff?

    I already addressed that in another post. You’ll have to read back.

  372. hey all – I’m not watching TV, just living it vicariously through you all – but that’s a GREAT JUXPOSITION and a good move to followup the BO speech with Clinton speech –

    shows a huge difference between these two on a day when the Feds are cutting the interest rates and the dollar is falling further and we have a Presidential candidate in Clinton who cares about this stuff, and another candidate, an ego driven one, that’s making the Presidential race all about his personal journey.

    He is soooo off message. I’m glad the Clinton campaign is capitalizing on it.

  373. Dang, I go to a meeting for 26 minutes and miss so much!

    Idunn, this is exactly what makes it a comparison:

    “I don’t see where he has compared Wright to his Grandmother. What I hear him saying is that he can’t disown either him OR her.”

    He compared his grandma making foolish comments to Wright making foolish comments and as Juan said, his grandma told him those things in confidence. Wright said those things up in some pulpit with hundreds listening.

  374. Spacegirl, And I suspect the same will happen when she releases her tax returns, too, lol.

    BTW, so the MSM consensus is Obama gave a great speech? His oratory is his strong point; too bad it conflicts with how he runs his campaign. I’ll never forgive him for smearing the Clintons as racists.

  375. Now that the world is finally being introduced to Barry, it is becoming apparent that this guy would have to be a tad *schitzophrenic.* Kansas, Hawaii, Indonesia, to NYC, to Harvard, to the South Side, to Springfield to Washington, DC – I mean the conflicting values and messages in his head are finally starting to come out of his mouth.
    Someone, hide his teleprompter!

  376. Idunn, I know the repeating of talking points can be irritating, but it works.

    I know. It’s just been a long long long primary season, and I’m so sick of the words “hope” and “change” and “day one” and “my friends” and “race card” and “momentum” and and and…that I could literally pull my fucking hair out at this point.

  377. Just for arguments sake, if Obama is made the nominee, how can other Democrats possibly come out to support him if this Wright issue continues? They could be jeopardizing their own political futures at the very least. Would politicians in important states want to be seen standing side by side with Obama? Would Edwards come out on his behalf? Hillary? Look how quiet his current supporters have been..Kerry, Kenneday etc. Wouldn’t his nomination taint the entire Democratic party? Rush and Hannity can say that the Democratic party is condoning racism and anti-Americanism by appointing Obama as the nominee. Wouldn’t that just be giving the GOP a major attack point? They can easily tie it into the shady characters from Obama’s past…and as said here many times they have many subjects for “Willie Horton” type attack ads.

    What in God’s name is going on in the heads of the DNC and some super delegates? It just stuns me, it really does….

  378. Watched the telepromting Obana read his political statement on why his color should be the reason to vote him into the —–House (I can’t say white because that would be a racist slur).This was his swan song(don’t dare mention the swan color,that would be a racist slur).This MSNBC SPECTACULAR with the flags and the TELE.will go down in our history as a MSM,RAPING of our Electoral System,the start of civil unrest and should make the world even more angry than all the damage done byGWB and the GOP in their power struggle.OBAMA is their way back to power. We must support Hillary,now more than ever.

    IT WILL TAKE THIS WOMAN TO SAVE OUR VILLAGE AND OUR COUNTRY,AND PERHAPS EVEN THIS WORLD.

    GO GIRL by ABM90

  379. So while Obama is consumed by and yapping about race and Wright, Hillary is talking about Iraq, mortgages, improving lives of Puerto Rico, and the economy. And who do you think the press is giving more coverage to?

    Of course. The race-baiter.

  380. Didn’t watch the speech. Didn’t have to. I knew what Great Orange Satan, AmericaBlog, et al. would say already and it wouldn’t involve valuing my or other Democrats’ opinions. So, I spent a couple of minutes combing the comments over at TM’s. Lovely experience, an excerpt of one of my favorites that would be a nicer version of what I would have said had I opted to watch that sideshow:

    “I read the whole speech. I couldn’t watch him – he grates on my nerves just like Bush.

    This guy is a demagogue, and we were all right about him. He’s trying to use inspiring words to cover a pile of shit. It won’t work.

    None of what he lists is a reason to stay in a hate-preaching church for 20 years.

    BO’s camp has made the race issue divisive from the beginning.

    What controversial remarks did he hear while he sat in church? Were they remarks that would make a proud American walk out and never come back?

    Just because he’s a good writer (or whoever wrote this for/with him is a good writer) doesn’t mean he’s a good man.

    This a just like when MO said her idiot line about being proud of our country for the first time in her adult life. So many gave her a pass. Then we found out that’s exactly what she meant. Don’t drink the KOOL-AID. We can’t keep falling for the “what I really meant” argument!

    All AA churches don’t tolerate hate and division coming from the pulpit. He’s trying to lump them all together and it won’t fly.

    BO doesn’t think that what we heard on the videos is derogatory to whites? His idea of derogatory must be very different than mine. That is the tone taken in all of the videos I saw.

    He ridiculously equates taking away support from him with walking away from the issues. No, dear, it’s you and your divisiveness, lying, ducking out of responsibility, race baiting, etc. that we will be walking away from. That will actually make it *easier* to address these issues!

    Segregation, legalized discrimination, economic inequality – Barack is using these as excuses for staying in a “church” that preaches “God $#%# America”!

    Another insight into his mindset: According to this speech, every AA that ever failed did so due to discrimination. That is not a healthy belief, since it is not true. We’ve all fallen short of some mark due to our own shortcomings at some point in our lives. Any reasonable person could acknowledge that.

    I can’t believe he equates what Wright preaches with what is normally heard in black churches. I’ve never heard anything remotely like what Wright said in AA churches I’ve visited. Basically, what I’ve heard was what my Methodist preaches says, but with a lot more excitement and entertainment!

  381. ABC NEWS HEADLINE: Not good for Obama

    Obama Distances from Longtime Pastor in Race Speech
    Obama Distances from Spiritual Adviser, Puts Wright’s Anger Into Historical Context

    What historical context?

  382. Idunn, there is a huge difference between what a public figure says and what a private person apparently said in private.

    Yes…one is said out there for all to hear, and the other is ugliness and hate whispered in the dark.

  383. Well…you guys can sit here for hours discussing Barry’s grandma. What I heard him say was “look, there are two people in your life, two different colors, you love them both, they both can say horrible things, and sometimes you don’t know how to react because of your regard for them”

    Fine and well…
    HOWEVER….the point was not that at all, it was his JUDGMENT to CONTINUE to listen to Wright’s hate when he was in a position to NOT hear it, and more importantly SPEAK OUT AGAINST IT, ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that he knew he was running for President of the United States By NOT doing so, IMO he has alienated entire segments of the population and not because of what THEY did fifty or 221 years ago, but because of what HE DID NOT DO two or twenty years ago. HE DID NOT CHANGE THE DIALOGUE within his own community, and becaue of that, I believe he has little credibility in saying he is here to change it now.

    I have to go to the store then call for Hillary to IIndiana. Anyone ant to join me? I have today’s script.

  384. I actually would have had no problem with BO giving his speech if he hadn’t done it in reaction to an extrodinary error in judgement. Further, I think his use of loaded language like “bamboozling”, “hoodwinking” and “hokey doke” was itself invoking racism, so this all seems hypocritical to me.

  385. ask bambi’ grand maa whether she ever told him what he was tellijg now… am sure this is lie by obama…

  386. “HE DID NOT CHANGE THE DIALOGUE within his own community, and becaue of that, I believe he has little credibility in saying he is here to change it now…..” “I think his use of loaded language like “bamboozling”, “hoodwinking” and “hokey doke” was itself invoking racism, so this all seems hypocritical to me.”

    EXACTLY

    He didn’t WANT the dialogue to change

  387. filbert, excellent point. Just spoke with my mom. Asked her if she watched it. She said no- she didn’t like to get sick to her stomach and he turns hers. She asked what it was about. I said, “race” and she said, “oh, you mean his racist minister and church?” I said yes and then we both agreed that the story has been about him for long enough and that there was real stuff going on that affected everybody- Wall Street, home mortgage crisis, foreclosures up, gas prices, war, layoffs- and my mother- god love her, said, “WTF?!? Do this man and his supporters think this election should be about race? Because it’s not and shouldn’t [be].”

    I love my mom. She, like me, is tired of everything being about him instead of us- all of us.

  388. > It’s impossible for poor white people to be racists because they’re too busy working,
    > not like those poor black folk who don’t work.

    Strawman.

  389. None of what he lists is a reason to stay in a hate-preaching church for 20 years.

    And that, my friends , is what it all boils down to.

  390. My sentiments exactly OkieAtty!!

    “What controversial remarks did he hear while he sat in church? Were they remarks that would make a proud American walk out and never come back?”

    Why.would.he.keep.going.back unless he agreed with what Wright was saying? He never addressed that during that sideshow attraction.

  391. So now my fellow Michiganders and the good citizens of Florida don’t get to have a revote? OK, fine, but the DNC better count the votes from the January primaries.

    As for Obama’s speech, I only heard the first few minutes of it on the radio and then I had to leave. It doesn’t sound like I missed much.

  392. So now can Obama release the papers he either hid or tried to shred during his years in office in Illinois?

    Fair is fair.

  393. Strawman

    Okay, now I really gotta just suck up my pride and ask: what the hell does this phrase mean? It’s even by said about me, and I didn’t know whether to be offended or not because…I’ve never stopped to ask what it means. LOL! Maybe I don’t WANT to know?

  394. Well, I didn’t read or hear the speech, but bootstraps racism doesn’t exist amongst the working class
    the speech was all mudslinging

    The response was to the posts here describing the speech.

    It appears that Brodus and burmart are defending Wright’s rants.

  395. “So while Obama is consumed by and yapping about race and Wright, Hillary is talking about Iraq, mortgages, improving lives of Puerto Rico, and the economy. And who do you think the press is giving more coverage to?”

    filbertsf, Don’t you know this was the most important speech on race since MLK? Didn’t you get the memo?

  396. This FL/MI business really pisses me off. I’d like to see Hillary drop out of the Dem primary and pursue an independent bid instead. Why spend money on a rigged process?

  397. what the hell does this phrase mean?

    It’s a misrepresentation of anothers’ position that is easy to knock down. Hence a straw man. It’s a common logical fallacy.

  398. Idunn, I will try one more time and then i will drop this matter.

    There is no difference between what Jerry falwell said and JWright said after 9/11. But, there is a huge difference between what JWright said and what some kooky, 9/11 conspiracy theorists who show up in some of the campaign events say.

    You wouldn’t equate what Trent Lott said and what some crazy guy who calls up Rush Limbaugh show says? Would you? In terms of how a public figure should respond to that? That is what we are talking about not about how we as a society should think of the two issues.

  399. Well…you guys can sit here for hours discussing Barry’s grandma. What I heard him say was “look, there are two people in your life, two different colors, you love them both, they both can say horrible things, and sometimes you don’t know how to react because of your regard for them”

    THANK YOU! That’s what I heard too. And my point is: doesn’t matter. You stand up for your principals no matter WHO you have to stand against, or your principals mean nothing.

  400. from Texan4Hillary’s post on the Texasmonthly.com”

    The Los Angeles Times’ Web site reported yesterday that campaign officials had had concerns about Jeremiah Wright’s fiery rhetoric for at least a year:

    In a Sunday conference call, Obama campaign manager David Axelrod admitted that the campaign recognized Wright as a potential problem more than a year ago and had disinvited the pastor from giving the invocation at the announcement of Obama’s presidential candidacy on Feb. 10, 2007, in Springfield, Ill.

    The Times also noted that Oprah Winfrey, a prominent Obama supporter, had joined Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ but later withdrew her membership due to disagreement with Wright’s preachings. Oprah, it turns out, had better political instincts than her candidate.

  401. SUGAR Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
    My sentiments exactly OkieAtty!!

    “What controversial remarks did he hear while he sat in church? Were they remarks that would make a proud American walk out and never come back?”

    Why.would.he.keep.going.back unless he agreed with what Wright was saying? He never addressed that during that sideshow attraction.

    See, Sugar, that’s what I keep coming back to, why stay? I also don’t think it’s fair to equate all black pastors with Wright. When I was younger, my mom would often take me to the great mayor Mel King’s church, and I never heard anything like this.

  402. Diva, that site’s like a giant logical fallacy: it should call itself adhominemforums. Ad hominems/personal attacks–they are always the first, middle and last resort of people who don’t have an argument to make, especially a logical coherent one.

    If they continue to harass us there–especially with posting our copyright photos and writings and posting misogynist sexist attacks like using cunt against me repeatedly–the admin here really needs to do something, needs to contact there because this place’s content is now being used to cyberharass women. Some of the user photos there–they have mass murderers depicted.

  403. “HE DID NOT CHANGE THE DIALOGUE within his own community, and becaue of that, I believe he has little credibility in saying he is here to change it now…..” “I think his use of loaded language like “bamboozling”, “hoodwinking” and “hokey doke” was itself invoking racism, so this all seems hypocritical to me.”

    He didn’t want to change the dialogue. He joined that church bc it was politically expedient for him. He has used race (only half of his race BTW) as a tool this whole primary. He gave money to the church to curry power and favor. He joined that church to get elected in that district where he could take advantage of folks to curry more power and favor (i.e. poor black folks not having heat is not as important as rich Middle Eastern businessmen buying property cheap for development and then getting no-bid contracts in a war zone). He got elected to the US Senate by default and on the basis of the lie he would not run for president his first term. Mutherfucker has done everything to get to this point. He cares nothing about this country, his fellow parishioners, his constituents, Rezko, his own wife even- all he cares about is power.

    As for the grandmother conversation- I hope she never read his book wherein he angrily accuses his own mother of jungle fever and implies his own conception was based on race based lust. Shitty thing to think about your own momma IMHO.

  404. Who said poor whites can’t be racist? Someone here? That’s ridiculous. Anyone of any class or economic group can be a racist.

  405. You wouldn’t equate what Trent Lott said and what some crazy guy who calls up Rush Limbaugh show says? Would you? In terms of how a public figure should respond to that? That is what we are talking about not about how we as a society should think of the two issues.

    You didn’t say, “In terms of how a public figure responds” in your previous posts, TPS. You just said there was a comparison made between Wright and Bammy Grammy, and that the comparison wasn’t a good one. I responded by saying that I didn’t think there was a comparison, but that IF there was one, it was fair game. Racism is racism. Now had you made the comment about it being different in terms of what a public figure responds to publicly, then I would have absolutely agreed with you.

  406. Idunn “You stand up for your principals no matter WHO you have to stand against, or your principals mean nothing.”

    EXACTLY

    However, if Bambi was five when he heard granny say she was afraid of black men that was one thing. If he was twenty, that was another.

    He was ALWAYS an adult with Wright, made a choice, and IF he really CRINGED at Granny, then he had NO BUSINESS NOT Cringing at Wright and should have left.

    It is a false argument, in the latter half.

  407. what will happen with the result of the speech? will it help or hurt? I couldnt watch it so wanted to know.

  408. “He got elected to the US Senate by default and on the basis of the lie he would not run for president his first term.”

    I’m surprised Hillary hasn’t made an issue of that lie. I’ve never heard anyone in her campaign bring it up.

  409. Okie and All:
    1. BHO did not change the dialogue at his church, despite his goal to “unite” Americans
    2. BHO did not change business as usual in Springfield, despite his positioning as a “reform” candidate
    3. BHO did not use his Senate committee’s authority to refocus attention on Afghanistan, despite his stated priorities

    What proof is there that BHO can effect any kind of change at all? And, just what kind of change is BHO really advocating?

  410. Hey All,

    I didn’t read or watch the speech this morning, but I have gotten the gist of it by reading all the great posts here today.

    While I think some of you are worried about the possible positive effect this might have for bambi, just comfort yourself in knowing this:

    The beauty of Wright’s videos is that no matter what bambi says, or how often he says it, you just need to see ONE of Wright’s tirades and it nullifies everything bambi has said. That’s the shocking power of the raw, racist hatred that Wright spews from his mouth.

  411. Hello hillary is 44! I hope you girls feel suitably embarrassed realising how horrible the things you have been writing have been!

    For this to be the case:

    – you’d have to logically demonstrate that the things said were horrible
    – that folks here are embarrassed
    – that the folks here are girls

  412. OkieAtty Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    “Mutherfucker has done everything to get to this point. He cares nothing about this country, his fellow parishioners, his constituents, Rezko, his own wife even- all he cares about is power.

    As for the grandmother conversation- I hope she never read his book wherein he angrily accuses his own mother of jungle fever and implies his own conception was based on race based lust. Shitty thing to think about your own momma IMHO.”

    Such a shitty, convenient thing to say. This guy is so fugged up it is unreal that millions would have him attempt to lead this country. We’ve already got one sociopath in the White House! And, I’m not talking about George W. Bush either! (Cheney).

  413. MerrimackValley Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
    Hello hillary is 44! I hope you girls feel suitably embarrassed realising how horrible the things you have been writing have been!

    Where are these quotes coming from?

  414. okie, so in the book he puts his white mom down? Am I hearing this right? Well, I almost bought the book a couple of weeks ago and then changed my mind. I knew, I still would not like him so, why spend the money!

  415. Great comment sent to Tweety that was posted at ABCNews.com:

    Her are some thoughts I have shared with Chris Mattews. These are points noone has discussed.Chris,Here are some thoughts I have that also include your position on Obama. You are as guilty of this as other Obama supporters. I have heard you say the most horrible things about Senator Clinton that are divisive and sexist & cruel.I have heard you speak on Obamas ability to change people and yet it hasn”t worked on you!What I don”t get is BO supporters talk about how they believe in BO as an agent of change, for the new politics of hope and promise. To rise above the old politics, and yet they espouse division and exclusion totally contrary to what he says he is about, and why you support him. If he is such an agent of change, why can”t he get you and his other supporters to stop with the sexist agist statements that go against his platform of unity???I think that alot of BO supporters are supporting him because he is saying things that on their face are great. Yet he hasn”t been able to get people to treat each other in this manner. I have not heard him speak out against the media and the things they say about Hillary (while in support of him) that are filled with hate, division & malice! If he is a true agent of change why hasn”t he grabbed this bull by the horns? I can tell you why. It is an attack machine that leaves his hands clean! Yet, I see it as his hands being dirty because he isn”t living up to his own WORDS of change. Help me to understand that please!

  416. @fran…. i completely agree. i wish we could make this a private forum… i dont want to post anymore bc of that…
    i know that i initially posted my pic on MY blog, but it says that nothing can be taken without permission.

    my biggest problem is that they post our personal photos over there and then copy our posts… well, that would be one thing, BUT they dont just copy the posts verbatim… they change our words around and make it look like we said things that we didnt… just like they did with you today. its disgusting and its harassment!

    i would die if someone i knew say my photo over there and a post quoting me as saying the c-word. i personally dont use that word and wouldnt want anyone to think that i did.

  417. Sugar says: Such a shitty, convenient thing to say. This guy is so fugged up it is unreal that millions would have him attempt to lead this country. We’ve already got one sociopath in the White House! And, I’m not talking about George W. Bush either! (Cheney).

    Well, they are counsins. 😉

  418. Okie and All:
    1. BHO did not change the dialogue at his church, despite his goal to “unite” Americans
    2. BHO did not change business as usual in Springfield, despite his positioning as a “reform” candidate
    3. BHO did not use his Senate committee’s authority to refocus attention on Afghanistan, despite his stated priorities

    What proof is there that BHO can effect any kind of change at all? And, just what kind of change is BHO really advocating?

    And as I’ve said SEVERAL times in here today, THAT is what cuts to the heart of my problems wrt Bambi. Do I think, in his heart , he’s a vicious race hater? No. Some of you may think that, and I won’t argue the point. But for ME, that isn’t the issue. The issue is that he talks a wonderful talk, something I think MOST of can agree in essence, is something we would all support and lift up. But when it comes time for Bambi to stand up for his words (his beliefs, his convictions)…he takes a dive instead. THAT is the problem, as I see it.

  419. “The beauty of Wright’s videos is that no matter what bambi says, or how often he says it, you just need to see ONE of Wright’s tirades and it nullifies everything bambi has said. That’s the shocking power of the raw, racist hatred that Wright spews from his mouth.”

    And the GOP will make sure those videos are seen ad nauseum by every registered voter in this country. Count on it.

  420. Just got back. before I forget, here’s a funny quote about BO’s speech.

    Paraphrasing BO on Wright;

    “I’m ready to denounce everything I never heard.”

    hehehehe

  421. f that is a troll:

    Hello Troll! It is so sad that you have no other life than to be a voyeur to freely displayed political discourse and to display your own lack of intelligence by having NO CLUE who is here, either in gender, race or religious upbringing. Your sweeping generalities are exactly what we no longer need in the political process, and I for one, am glad you are OUT THERE COPYING (we have seen that trait before) than IN HERE having intelligent discussion, because you would only lower the discourse.

    Go F*** yourself, in other words.

  422. Diva! I miss you! ::hugs::

    I love somethingawful’s tv forums, they’ve gotten me through some rough times in TV land, but admittedly I’ve never travelled much outside that realm. It’s disturbing that they’ve created an entire thread about our forum. I found it a couple weeks ago and had the same thoughts – that I didn’t want to post anymore because they were quoting (or misquoting) us. I really think we need somewhere private to go.

  423. Idunn says: And as I’ve said SEVERAL times in here today, THAT is what cuts to the heart of my problems wrt Bambi. Do I think, in his heart , he’s a vicious race hater? No. Some of you may think that, and I won’t argue the point. But for ME, that isn’t the issue. The issue is that he talks a wonderful talk, something I think MOST of can agree in essence, is something we would all support and lift up

    Idunn, saying Hillary is bamboozling, hoodwinking and hoky doking african americans somehow doesn’t strike me as uplifting. Perhaps it’s me though.

  424. Hello hillary is 44! I hope you girls feel suitably embarrassed realising how horrible the things you have been writing have been!

    Can’t speak for anyone else here, but I stand by the things I say. Otherwise, I wouldn’t say them.

  425. Idunn, I don’t think he’s a racist, either, frankly. He just cynically relies on race-baiting as a means to power, which is almost as bad.

  426. Levon, you’re right. One video undos any speech 👿 can make.

    Paula, yes. My mother really said, “WTF?!?” I come by my mouth honestly.

    Sugar and Con, yes. He wrote describing his folks:

    “The emotions between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

    From: Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance

  427. Idunn, saying Hillary is bamboozling, hoodwinking and hoky doking african americans somehow doesn’t strike me as uplifting. Perhaps it’s me though.

    Oh c’mon now, MJ. You know Obama has said more than just negative things. he’s said some pretty terrific things, actually. At least, I’ve thought they were terrific. But words are just words. If you can’t, or won’t , act on your words, then they are just empty window dressing.

  428. If he’s a racist then he’s that character from the Dave Chappelle Show in real life! The one who was blind and didn’t realize he was Black, and had a DEEP hatred for AA’s. I don’t think he’s a racist either. I think he’s a fool and horribly confused about who he is and who he wants to fully identify with.

  429. “The beauty of Wright’s videos is that no matter what bambi says, or how often he says it, you just need to see ONE of Wright’s tirades and it nullifies everything bambi has said. That’s the shocking power of the raw, racist hatred that Wright spews from his mouth.”

    And the GOP will make sure those videos are seen ad nauseum by every registered voter in this country. Count on it.

    Exactly. And now, the other 1/3 of the people in this country that hadn’t heard about the good reverand’s comments will become acquainted with them too. After all the attention over his speech, everyone will want to find out what the fuss is all about.

  430. Idunn, all the terrific things are discounted when he says shit like that. Again, I’m a white woman. i’m a Democrat. He may as well be talking about me. That is some of the most divisive language I’ve heard since Reagan, and he’s saying it about someone I really respect. You can’t preach unity, and then accuse your opponent of something so baseless and so ugly.

  431. Idunn, I agree that it cuts to the heart of the problem with Bambi. But, mj is also very right, since I forgot an item:

    4. BHO advocates for “a new kind of politics,” yet he condones sneaky race-baiting and peddles misogynistic Hillary-hate– with a wink and a smile.

  432. re: Sugar – “I don’t think he’s a racist either. I think he’s a fool and horribly confused about who he is and who he wants to fully identify with.”

    I just resent that he’s using the candidacy, the electorate and american people, the media and (God forbid) the Presidency as an experiment to figure out who he is.

  433. SUGAR Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
    If he’s a racist then he’s that character from the Dave Chappelle Show in real life! The one who was blind and didn’t realize he was Black, and had a DEEP hatred for AA’s. I don’t think he’s a racist either. I think he’s a fool and horribly confused about who he is and who he wants to fully identify with.

    Yes. I agree.

  434. Idunn, I don’t think he’s a racist, either, frankly. He just cynically relies on race-baiting as a means to power, which is almost as bad.

    I agree. And it’s dangerous to boot.

  435. There was more to it. he talked about being mad at his mother for talking about some movie…Black Orpheus, I think. And her attraction to dark males. He basically said, “My mother had jungle fever and treated black and brown men like sex objects bc she was lustful and racist.”

  436. Oh, and greedy for power. Willing to do whatever it takes, including selling out his own (white and black) people when necessary to get it.

  437. somethingawful is using the same form of fear and intimidation that is being used in this political campaign by the media and the Obama camp. They want to censor us through fear. We know our words, we know our meaning, and we know what we believe. We need have no fear of a bunch of stupid people trying to change that with distortions and threats. They do not see themselves as the propagandists and fascists they are when they come here.

    Again Troll…Go F*** yourself.

  438. If he’s a racist then he’s that character from the Dave Chappelle Show

    Clayton Bigsby. “That’s right, tell that nigger!” LOL!

  439. For the sake of our party, drop out of the race now Obama.

    Mr. Obama is arrogant and lacks the judgment and character to be POTUS.

    Obama’s many speeches, books, and online posts reference and in many ocassions duplicate sermons, words, or books by the Rev. Wright.

    Rev. Wright specifically endorses black theology and regularly quotes and/or references persons who are historical figures in black theology (this includes, James Cone).

    As Rev. Wright has said on many ocassions, you should read James Cone. That is what Obama believes in (black theology). In Cone’s words, he believes that the only God that should be worshiped is the one who will empower the AA community and *destroy* the white community. If you think I am making this up, go read for yourself.

  440. I can make no comments on somethingawful, since I post on Vote For The Worst, and am guilty of making fun of people myself. 🙁

    Damn, I hate it when I get caught with my pants down.

  441. I don’t think Obama subscribes to Wright’s racist beliefs, however, I do think he’s a quintessential politician who will use race if the end justifies the means.

    Please keep in mind that whenever Obama camp injects race (by blowing out of proportion statements that aren’t even race-intended) into the political dialogue, it’s usually before a Primary state where AA dominates.

    Think SC and MS.

  442. “My mother had jungle fever and treated black and brown men like sex objects bc she was lustful and racist.”

    ROTFLMFAO!!! Oh my god…my sides…

  443. he believes that the only God that should be worshiped is the one who will empower the AA community and *destroy* the white community.

    You say that like it’s a BAD thing. 😉

  444. Personally, I have better stuff to do here at work than talk about that asshole all day.

    We all know it. We all know that the BM will fuck this up ten ways to Sunday. We know Big Blogs are in his pocket. We have this place and a few others.

    Get back to work and let’s quit our bitchin’.

    As for the SA trolls, ignore them. They’re harmless. Leave the neckbeards alone. They can think what they want of us. And they wouldn’t say the hateful sexists shit they say if they had ever put $50 together to get a tugjob down near the bus station or lost enough weight to find their penises. Ignore them and let’s not reference them again here. If they want to spend their time watching us, doesn’t that mean we’re more interesting and more important than their own lives?

  445. I most certainly do think Obambi subscribers to Wright’s racist beliefs (and those black theologians before him). I should mention, this is the issue that is going to bring him down. This is important in many ways, but mostly, so we can move on with Hillary as the democratic nominee.

  446. I say again that Admin has it exactly right: BHO uses all of these factors in American political life to further his ambitions. One wonders, though, if this ambition is driven primarily by his cathartic needs! No, thanks!

    So, how are we going to get a new primary in Michigan? The BHO campaign had a problem with their sensible plan, even though he took his name off the ballot. Whom should we write to now?

  447. @Ininla….”I just resent that he’s using the candidacy, the electorate and american people, the media and (God forbid) the Presidency as an experiment to figure out who he is.”

    havent we been DEALING with one of these?

    How about having a President who had a good relationship with her parents for a change?

  448. “My mother had jungle fever and treated black and brown men like sex objects bc she was lustful and racist.”

    What kind of sorry azz man accuses his mother of having jungle fever? Are those the words he used? Jesus! As arrogant as he is, I don’t even think he can believe some days that he’s in the position he’s in–only steps away from being the democratic nominee for the highest job in this land. Unfortunately for him, he ain’t never gonna make that trip as he will be watching the GE debates from home.

  449. Diva, if they want to spend all their time promoting me and my writing–have at it! Even negative publicity is still publicity. As I’ve said here all along about words and propaganda: the more they copy my text, the more they pass around my writing, the more people will be exposed to it, the more it will probably affect people’s minds, whether they want it to or not. Someone can take your words and use them propagandistly even when you didn’t intend that to happen. But using words in a propagandist way can have positive affects too, it just turns out negative more often than not.

    But what they’re doing is still a copyright violation; I’ve posted notices on all my sites. They have copied repeated large bunches of my blog’s writings to that forum. And posting my photo and attacking me with sexist names and physical comments is sexual harassment; I’ll contact the police if this goes on. Every site has an internet system behind it, has a service provider and so on. People should work on finding out who that is there–that’s why I think admin should do something about this new development….

  450. I think we should all refrain from typing out the N-word in our posts, even if it’s to quote someone else (even Wright) using it.

    I grew up in a household where we weren’t permitted to use that word even in conversation amongst ourselves.

  451. According to Kerry sanders of NBC, the rules comittee that is going to decide as to what should happen to FL & MI has 15 members already committed to Hillary 6 to BO and 9 still undecided(total 30).

  452. well how can the DNC justify seating the delegates and counting them AFTER the nominee is seated. THAT is the whole reason for having a primary .. to get the delegates and count the votes.

    I really think Al Gore should come out and address this. the VOTES must count. This is what our democracy is about. Counting the votes.

    Florida voters have said they want their ORIGINAL primary votes to be counted NOW…not AFTER. This will cause a great backlash in Florida and it seems the DNC is too blinded by the white light that they don’t get it.

  453. filbertsf Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    “I don’t think Obama subscribes to Wright’s racist beliefs, however, I do think he’s a quintessential politician who will use race if the end justifies the means.”

    Well I don’t know if he is or isn’t. That’s the whole problem here. His associations are very suspect. His 20 year membership in a church… heck…did he go the first time, hear something bad and then keep going over and over and over again just for the heck of it? Did he wear earplugs?

    You don’t make someone an honorary uncle unless you respect him…

  454. I THINK OBAMA IS AN OPPORTUNIST!

    HE WILL BE ANYBODY YOU WANT HIM TO BE, HE WILL SELL OUT ANYBODY HE NEEDS TO SELL OUT, AND HE TELLS YOU WHAT EVER
    YOU WANT TO HEAR…

    i think 20 years of the black is the new white message, has made inroads into his psyche…
    i think he has low regard for races other than AA, therefore he doesnt see it as evil, that he bamboozle the other races, cause its for the advancement of a new world order…

    I THINK HE SPEAKS WITH SUCH PASSION, CAUSE HE PASSIONATELY BELIEVES IN SOME NEW WORLD ORDER, AND THIS TIME, EVERYONE ELSE IS THE SLAVE…

  455. Yeah OkieAtty, I’m up here railing about this idiot when I have work I really could be finishing up. Nothing pressing at the moment, but I could be doing other things than letting him take up my good time.

  456. I never use the N word. It sickens me. My mormon cousing used to use it all the time, and I let her have it. It was a regular routine with us. Ironically, she now supports Obama, so maybe I had an effect.

  457. kaffeen, I have problems calling someone a racist if I don’t think he is just so that my candidate becomes the nominee.

    Being labeled a racist is a loaded charge and should not be taken lightly. Rev. Wright clearly hates the white race and feels that AA have been subordinated. However, I will refrain from calling Obama that unless and until we have overwhelming evidence to support that claim.

    What I do believe is that Obama is a race-baiter in a Machiavellian sense.

  458. I have to keep going back to what Michelle said early…that she wished she knew the guy she saw on television. And I don;t think thhat was about picking up his socks.

  459. When I say this, “I never use the N word.” I mean I never repeat it if someone else says it. I would never, could never use that word.

  460. filbertsf, I respect your opinion, I find it a bit naive (please don’t be offended). I actually do believe Obama is a racist. There are varying degree’s of racism. It is not one size fits all.

  461. CNN panelists, 2 of 3 saying BO’s speech has not changed anyone’s mind.

    michael eric dyson of course disagreeing (surprise!).

  462. That’s right Spacegirl! That Rolling Stone article I linked to on my own blog yesterday quoted him as saying there were “tensions” in his marriage.

  463. they are wanting to force Hillary to quit .. by not counting FL and MI they think she’ll drop out. They are WRONG, we will fight for her till the last dawg dies.

  464. Space: I’m not sure I understand your question, but I think that I heard that the Michigan plan was a no-go as of this morning. Where are you, Gov. Granholm? We also need to keep at Florida to seat ALL your delegates, SpaceArt!

    And as for:
    “My mother had jungle fever and treated black and brown men like sex objects bc she was lustful and racist.”
    This bespeaks some real self-loathing – Anyone find this troubling? Any comments regarding whether or not this is a positive leadership trait?

    I guess I’m gonna have to read the book – I bet it has some amazing talking points for our fight here in the blogosphere.

  465. I can make no comments on somethingawful, since I post on Vote For The Worst, and am guilty of making fun of people myself.

    Damn, I hate it when I get caught with my pants down.

    Hell, I’ll one up you, I’ve spent time on SA making fun of people, so I can’t say anything about that. I don’t like that they’re rewriting peoples quotes to make them much worse than what they are.

    I love SA though, really do. Hi guys, I’m one of you!

  466. cnn actually let someone say that BO had changed nobody mind!!!! Something tells me they know there is more to come and they will slowly change the direction now…can I just hope?

  467. Uh-OH!

    Just read upthread.

    Can i assume that the consensus is that Bo managed to help himself with this speech????

    🙁

  468. I didn’t even know what SA was until you all started talking about it. Really, who cares what some trolls over there say?

  469. mj Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
    Well, Dyson is a BO supporter. Why the hell is he on?

    Because he’s an AA and he’s always on CNN or Maher’s show.

  470. # Idunn Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Damn, I hate it when I get caught with my pants down.

    I had that dream the other night. And was driving a car from the back seat. Hmmmm….

  471. If we are to believe that his church going and community organizing were acts of true self sacrifice and not calculated stepping stones to an ambitious policitcal career then why didn’t he seize the opportunity to ORGANIZE his church COMMUNITY to reject the controversial and indeed hateful statements by his pastor while embracing what is good about his church?

  472. SUGAR Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
    Yeah, Juan Williams is disgusted with BHO.

    He’s also been asking where’s the beef since 2/5. Love Juan.

  473. Basil, no he did not help himself. In my opinion, as Juan Williams just pointed out, he hurt himself by definitively making himself the “black candidate” once and for all.

  474. Ininla, just so you know, I did receive your email. I just had a stack of chores on Sunday that I had been putting off for a long time and can’t take on new things.

  475. Ronald, he did kind of throw his grandmother under the bus. The same one who got him a Harvard degree and put him through privileged schools during his adolescence.

  476. great posting from gretawire.com

    Let me see if I have this straight. When Obama was ask by Major Garret on Hanity & Combes Friday night , “simple Yes or No, would you leave the Trinity Church if you had heard these comments”, Obama said Yes, if I had heard them repeated. Key work REPEATED!! Sounds to me like what he was saying is that he would have left the church if he had heard Wright “repeat” the following on several occasions: 1)Aids was invented by the US government to kill people of color. 2) Not God Bless America but God Damn America 3) Drugs are provided to blacks by the US government to intentionally put them in prison. 4) We brought 9-11 on ourselves 5) Bill Clinton was riding us (blacks) dirty just like he was riding Monica L. 6) Etc Etc. Etc. Hates whites & hates America. Really great sermons, Wright! As for me and my family, it would only take one of these comments to be uttered once and we would be out of that church before the next sentence from the sermon was completed. Obama calls this racist Wright “a great theologian.” I guess he sets the bar really low when it comes to great theologians. I heard one black commentator on TV today saying this type of language and hate speech is very common in black churches across the county. If that is the case, then blacks should stop complaining about racism all the time because they are perpetuating it by this kind of talk. Remember, you reap what you sow. You belong to a church, temple or mosque because they have the same beliefs and values as you which has to lead me to believe that Wright and Obama are both on the same page in this regard. And this is the man who would be president? If so, God help America.

  477. love Juan Williams. can’t stand Michael Eric Dyson.

    Basil9 – I think in light of the CNN, Fox reactions after the speech – most seem to be saying, yeah, he hit the ball, but not nearly close to out of the ball park – that he has not satisfactorily distanced himself from Wright –

    CNN – quote on graphic Obama says Wright is “like family to me” and they are playing the segment where he talks about his grandma’s fear of black men on the street, etc.

    If the immediate reaction is mixed, I think perceptions of his speech will be more negative later.

  478. So our options have run out in FL? They’re not going to be seated?

    This is disenfranchisement to the extreme. All three candidates were on the ballot, so what’s the effing issue?

  479. You know, last year I wrote extensively about how BO really annoyed me because he seemed to hate the notion of the middleclass, while I feel there is no greater unifying term in american politics. The “middle class”. Everyone is either in it, or striving for it. Even rich people like to say, “I’m upper middle class”. I really like the term. I think it’s a great way to frame policiy that often helps the lower middle class. Anyway, this really bothered me, so my ears perked up when I found out about Pastor Wright’s distaste for “middleclassness”.

  480. The great “uniter” in training has made racism the most explosive commentary since the 60’s. Great job Obambi. Change we can’t believe in.

  481. >>temple

    @bridgal.. nobody preaches in temples.. we just go there and worship the god… nobody preaches anything… 🙂

  482. I just heard Juan Williams give a very insightful analysis of Obamas’s magnum opus speech on race. He pointed out that Obama is a bi-racial well to do kid who grew up in Hawaii and went to Chicago and embraced Wright because he sought a black political base to pursue his political career and that is why he cannot repudiate Wright. In the process Obama has put himself in the very box he did not want to be in which is as the black candidate. Also Obama acknowledged sub silentio that he lied when he said he was not in church when the racist sermons were delivered, proving once again that Obama is an honest man after he is caught.

  483. admin – brags of troll account at 2:18

    forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2777454&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=38

  484. this speech doesn’t seem to answer “any” real questions about why he continued to associate himself with Mr Wright and that church.

    That has to be the driving narrative in some way to get it out.

    He never answered WHY he sat and listened to his, didn’t speak out about it, nor leave a church who preachs to hate america and to hate whites.

  485. If Obama has made race so pervasive in this Primary, race is what we’ll be looking forward to in his Administration. Is America ready for 4 years where race is as pervasive as 5 years of Iraq under Bush?

    We won’t be able to get away from it. Anyone who questions President Obama will be labeled a racist.

    Someone here posted a link to an article whereby the author concludes that if the populace fears questioning their leader, that fear turns into resentment.

    Can Americans withstand 4 more years of resenting their President?

  486. jithendra Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
    >>temple

    @bridgal.. nobody preaches in temples.. we just go there and worship the god… nobody preaches anything…

    Wow, that’s interesting.

  487. I will also be interested to hear what Karl Rove has to say about the speech. He told viewers last night that the Wright episode is very damaging but to reserve judgment until we hear the speech. We shall see what he says now. As a political operative well thats one thing but as an political analyst he is very very good,

  488. Ininla, CNN is playing the grandma clip thinking it will help Obama. Instead, it will turn off a lot of people as unwarranted and gratuitous. This is what I am seeing on the comments on various blogs.

  489. the ending to his whole con job will be the videos to come of him sitting in church…the pictures…the book signings done right at church.

    the whole game on the other side was to see just exactly “how much” responsibility he took..he took none and now the next hammer is getting ready to be dropped.

    End of April

  490. Hillary Clinton lengthens Pennsylvania lead over Barack Obama

    A fresh poll from Quinnipiac (doesn’t that sound like a character in a Herman Melville novel?) University finds Hillary Clinton adding to her lead over Barack Obama in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. And you can’t help but think some of this stems from the debate over race and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    Race does matter, judging by the poll numbers. Overall, Clinton led Obama 53% to 41% among all likely primary voters, a widened gap over the 49% to 43% lead she had Feb. 27. The poll, conducted over six days ending Sunday, has an unusually tight margin of error of 2.7%, which means Obama’s slide is within the margin but Clinton’s gain exceeds it.

    The most interesting stuff, as usual, is in the details. The poll found that the racial gap has widened. White voters preferred Clinton by 61% to 33%, a change from the 56% to 37% lead last month. Similarly, black voters backed Obama 76% to 18% percent, compared with a 69% to 23% earlier finding.

    There’s a lot of time — and a lot of campaigning — to go, but at the moment the numbers are tracking better for Clinton than for Obama, at least in Quinnipiac’s poll. You can browse the rest of the polls here, but pay particular attention to the trend lines on the Real Clear Politics aggregate graph. It shows Obama flat in Pennsylvania, while Clinton climbed. And she was ahead there to begin with.

  491. who is this Dan Gerstein (Democratic strategist) on Shep Smith show/Fox News – he is regurgitating the kool-aid but the Rebublican Strategist is kicking his ass…

    Gerstein saying BO is brave for not distancing himself from Wright and using this incident as a way to open up discussion about race. Gerstein is a white man.

    Now, I will tell you a story about my sister, who like me is Asian American – she was having a conversation with a white guy, an Obamabot, at work who said that BO is bringing up issues of race in a profound way and that WE (speaking about himself and my sister) don’t know anything about raciosm, and then, looking at her – he started to backtrack. WHOOPS.

    What is up with BO inspiring these white men to think they’ve suddenly found a way through BO to identify with those put upon by racism???

    I can tell you Obama does NOT SPEAK FOR ME. And I am someone who has experienced discrimination as a woman, as an Asian American, and as part of the LGBT community.

  492. OkieAtty, if I can’t stand looking or hearing him speak for 1 minute, do you think it’s possible I will spend hours reading his thoughts?

  493. >.Wow, that’s interesting.

    @mj… hindus go to temple and do “namaskar” to god for 5 mins and pray some thing…. namaskar is some thing johnny depp has been doing now a days to wish others… and we will be out of temple in 10 – 20 mins… on special ocassions, they sing songs just praising the god/goddess stating how powerful are they how kind are they… there will be priest in temple who just give “harathi” to visitors… and he will put dot on your forehead… that is it.. 🙂

  494. @ wbboei

    Where did you hear Juan Williams say that? Do you have a link?

    Admin- that would be a great post. If NPR has Juan Williams saying the same thing tomorrow on Morning Edition it game over for this man.

    BTW… in refernce to earlier posts ^^^ you girls can have Pat Buchanan… Juan Williams is my kinda man!

  495. ofcourse i don’t go to temple unless my mother drags me there hehehehe 🙂
    and we have 1000′ of gods in HINDU religion 🙂

  496. Debbie Schlussel:

    The bottom line is that he knew of Rev. Wright’s racism, he went along with it, and even now that he’s been caught, he won’t disown him.