Barack Obama – Proven Liar and Hypocrite

Update: The Fox News interview.

GARRETT: Sir, would you have — would you have quit the church had you heard them personally?

OBAMA: You know, I guess — …

GARRETT: So, quick yes or no. If had you heard them in person you would have quit?

OBAMA: If I had heard them repeated, I would have quit…If I thought that that was the repeated tenor of the church, then I wouldn’t feel comfortable there.

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Today Barack Obama proved himself a liar and a hypocrite.

Barack Obama (D-Rezko) tried to change the topic away from his opportunistic 20 year relationship with “Pastor” Wright.

Obama either displayed a 20 year lack of judgment with respect to Reverend Wright or Obama is a fellow traveling bigot with “Pastor” Wright.

In either case Americans do not need a lesson on race from Obama – Americans, including superdelegates require an explanation or resignation from church and Senate by Obama.

Obama has spent the last few days lying about his relationship with Pastor Wright and what he knew and when he knew it.

Obama:

But the sermons I’ve always hear[d] were no different than the sermons you hear in many African-American churches. I had not heard him make such, what I consider to be objectionable remarks from the pulpit. Had I heard them while I was in church, I would have objected.

That was yesterday. Today Obama said:

Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”

Liar. Hypocrite. Liar.

Obama lied repeatedly and openly to millions of Americans in interview after interview:

COOPER: (AUDIO GAP) … was created by the government to kill black people. He’s called America the number-one killer around the world. He’s said that black people shouldn’t sing “God Bless America,” but say God damn America.

There’s a lot of folks in America right now who have heard that. And I want to ask you why you have been listening to this pastor and close to him for nearly 20 years?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, first of all, Anderson, you know, I strongly condemn the statements that have been shown on the tape.

I have to confess that those are not statements that I ever heard when I was sitting in the pews at this church. This is a church that I have been a member of for 20 years. This is a well-established, typical, historically African-American church in the South Side of Chicago, with a wonderful set of ministries.

And what I have been hearing and had been hearing in church was talk about Jesus and talk about faith and values and serving the poor…

Liar. Hypocrite.

OBAMA: … something that the church (INAUDIBLE) some.

But so the — what is — what is undeniable is that, you know, these are a series of incendiary statements that I can’t object to strongly enough. Had I heard those in the church, I would have told Reverend Wright that, you know, that I profoundly disagreed with them. They didn’t reflect my values, and they didn’t reflect my ideals.

COOPER: Did you not know, though, that, I mean, a couple days after 9/11, he said, you know, this was America’s chickens coming home to roost, a result of what he called American terrorism around the world?

Liar. Hypocrite.

COOPER: I mean, you may not have been there, but have you — you must have heard that he had said these things.

OBAMA: You know, I confess that I did not hear about this until — until I started running for president.

Liar. Hypocrite.

COOPER: But, I mean, uncles are blood relatives who you’re kind of stuck with at family gatherings, even when they say outrageous things. You can’t get rid of them.

You can walk out of a church. You can walk go up to a pastor and say, this is wrong.

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: And, as I said, Anderson, if I had heard any of those statements, I probably would have walked up, and I probably would have told Reverend Wright that they were wrong.

But they were not statements that I heard when I was in church.

Liar. Hypocrite.

COOPER: So, no one in the church ever said to you, man, last week, you missed this sermon; Reverend Wright said this; or…

OBAMA: No.

COOPER: I mean, I think I read in your books that you listened to tapes of Reverend Wright when you were at Harvard Law School.

OBAMA: I did.

COOPER: So, you had no idea?

OBAMA: I understand.

I did not. Well, I want to be clear that, when I ran for president, some of these statements started surfacing.

Liar. Hypocrite:

Contrary to his earlier suggestion, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) acknowledged in his speech Tuesday that he had heard “controversial” remarks by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

“Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy?” Obama said. “Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely — just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”

Obama did not specify which statements.

In his first detailed response to the firestorm over Wright’s remarks charging that the United States is a racist country, Obama said in a posting on The Huffington Post:

“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.”

Big Media wants to protect Obama. Big Media will lionize Obama’s ‘lack of judgement and full of lies’ speech. But the damage has been done. Americans have seen the real Obama. Big Media tried to lionize Mitt Romney’s empty speech on religion too. But the damage had already been done.

Barack Obama (D-Rezko) today is a proven liar and hypocrite.

His old white grandma is a racist too, we’re told.

Today, Barack Obama proved himself a liar and a hypocrite.

Some people never change.

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1,459 thoughts on “Barack Obama – Proven Liar and Hypocrite

  1. JUST SAW SOMEONE ON FOX SAY ‘ obama needed to join the church to get his credentials in the black community because he needed them in his run for office…

    did he marry michelle for the same reason?

  2. I CANNOT believe this. MSNBC running a story about republicans crossing over and voting for Hillary – because, the story says, they think Hillary is the easier candidate to beat. THAT MAKES ME FURIOUS!

  3. How Obama’s supporters behave, physically threatening female Clinton supporters:

    forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2777454&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=39:

    “# ? Mar 18, 2008 21:33
    quote:

    # Fran Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    People, physical threats from there on pg. 33 of that thread:

    Mar 12, 2008 21:03

    btw Spacegirlart and Fran, if you’re reading: i want to gently caress you both with a knife

    quote:

    # JanH Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Fran,

    You should report those threats.

    quote:

    # basil9 Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Fran,

    That is terrifying! I hope you’re reporting that!

    Oh for gently caress’s sake… Thats not what he said! He said “I want to f u c k you with a knife”

    There, better? I thought so. Sheesh. Wimmen.

    # ? Mar 12, 2008 21:03

    btw Spacegirlart and Fran, if you’re reading: i want to gently caress you both with a knife

    # ? Mar 15, 2008 01:05

    I have a feeling meeting Fran in real life would end in horrible justifiable violence.

    Grah

    # ? Mar 15, 2008 05:39

    Audhumla posted:

    hey he writes stories about getting bitches drunk and taking them to get abortions

    Hemingway would have punish hosed Fran and she would have liked it.

    # ? Mar 15, 2008 05:24

    The Agitator posted:

    Not a review, but

    Fran is a really elaborate troll, right? Someone please tell me she can’t really be like this.

    I’m sorry but anyone that calls themselves an author and calls Hemingway and Vonnegut crap authors should have their writing utensils shoved through their eye sockets. Fran isn’t even a bad hack author, she is a loving plebe.

    # ? Mar 18, 2008 21:22

    just by posting i can sexually harass fran over the internet

    yesssssssssssssssssssssssss mmm picking antennae from btween my big pearly nigger teeth

  4. skmf12, that’s just spin, if it were true, he’d have been wise enough to leave the church when he decided to run for pres. Hell, he was listening to wright via audio tape while he was still in boston.

  5. I just flipped over there. IF I EVER SEE MATTHEWS IN PERSON, I’M GONNA SMASH HIS UGLY FACE

  6. If BHO isn’t even honest about his CHURCH, of all things, how are we supposed to expect him to be honest about his politics?

  7. JAS Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    Does anyone have an idea what the dem’s are going to do with MI and FL???

    They apparently are going to stall as long as they can.

  8. You and Idunn have been repeatedly attacked there.

    Attacked me, or made fun of me? Either way…I’m not super worried about it. Eerectile dysfunction can cause all kinds of weird psychological outbursts I hear.

  9. Gingrich: Obama’s Speech “Fundamentally Dishonest”

    Former House Speaker rips Obama’s speech on race and his relationship with the Rev. Wright on the Fox News Channel.

    Says Obama must have known about Wright’s preaching before, and should have objected to his comments at the time.

    “Repudiating the words after the fact is a study in political convenience by a politican desperately trying to get elected.”

    Calls the Wright issue a “core question of character,” and returns Obama to “being a normal pol.”
    Elisabeth Hasselbeck also takes Obama to task for his ties with Wright on Tuesday’s “The View.”

    thepage.time.com/

  10. Why bother even reading that site? Sounds like a dradful place. I don’t belong to “white america”, JAS, just regular america and I’m not voting for the guy. It’s not about race.

  11. Ok, do you know how to contact the site’s admin? I think you have plenty right there. Enough to ban these guys.

  12. There’s a white America?

    Damn…ya’ll didn’t tell me because I’m not white, right? Didn’t want me crashing the party? 😉

  13. wow, I knew cafferty hated Hillary, but the responses they showed today on his show about Hillary were almost offensive

  14. How can Cafferty possibly be going after Hillary today? Ew, I just can’t stand that guy. What a sour, old loser.

  15. I thought BO said, in one of his pretty speeches:

    “There is not a black America or a white America, but a United States of America.”

    Another display of hypocrisy.

  16. well actually mj,

    i completely agree.
    they said when he first started in politics in chicago, he needed to garner as much of the AA VOTE AS HE COULD GET.
    SO HE IMMERSED HIMSELF IN COMMUNITY WORK AND BEING ACTIVE IN THE AA CHURCH.

    THEY SAID THATS HOW HE GOTT HIS AA ‘STREET CRED’.
    (CAUSE PRIOR TO THAT HE WAS A RICH IVY LEAGUE BOY, WHO NOTHING ABOUT THE STREETS !) my opinion

  17. call states for Hillary. Talk her up, go over her policies statements from her website. Tell Hillary supporters that they vote now is more important than ever because the DNC is cheating her out of all of her votes from Florida and Michigan .. we need to make sure they know how important it is for them to GO VOTE.

    Obama is churning out GOTV in PA and other states. Hillary needs a massive army to help.

    Please call if you can.

  18. Ok, so why did he stay? Why was he listening to Wright’s sermons back in Boston? You know, there are hundreds of aa churches in Chicago.

  19. Organise; organise!

    3rd party/indie run by a strong candidate – HILL! No more loyalty to DEMS.

    Failing that: VOTE FOR A TRUE PATRIOT – MCCAIN

  20. mj. I understand what you are saying. Politics is broken down by demographics, on every level, I am saying, that demographic will not support Obama. On aother subject, Clinton is releasing her records from her White House years, has demanded Obama release all records regarding hid relationship with Rezko ie.. When he did legal work?

  21. Sorry, I won’t vote jm. But I still think Hill will be the nominee. Failing that, I will write in her name.

  22. VOTE FOR A TRUE PATRIOT – MCCAIN

    No can do. If the choice is Obama or McCain, I’ll just sit out this vote like I have the last 2.

  23. Fran- SHUT UP. You are feeding the trolls and they are having a jolly good time with you.

    Shit. Wished I’d never mentioned it, but you are acting exactly like one of those whiny, middle-aged carcasses of a woman they accuse of being.

    Just shut up already. If you want to fight with them, spend the $10 at SA and get your own account. We ‘re hear to joke and organize about our candidate. Not listen to your bullshit fears of a 12 yo in his fruit of the looms.

    Another word to the wise- don’t post your personal info online. That included links to your pages unless you want these freaks to track you down.

    Like DUHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

  24. Or maybe I’ll vote for the crazy dude who think’s he’s the second coming of Ghandi. At least that’s funny.

  25. If you people would quit watching that SHIT from CNN and MSNBC. Get busy.

    CNN makes them fucking email shit up.

    Get this: the big media is fucking worried that Obama is going down in flames and they want to try to divert the attention to more Hillary bashing.

    Get busy and help Hillary WIN these primaries that are left. She is STRONG in primaries and the more vote and support we can get out….lets do it.

    Instead of staying on sites and getting steamed…lets work for Hillary. She has worked for us.

    The Obamabots are galvanized to beat this down for him and I hear from calling today that they are working EXTREMELY HARD.

  26. Berkeley Vox Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
    If BHO isn’t even honest about his CHURCH, of all things, how are we supposed to expect him to be honest about his politics?

    ****

    I agree, like on; Nafta, Rezko, Mrs. O’s American pride or lack there of, Iraq withdrawal plans, etc., etc. Where does this guy stand, who is he, what are his true beliefs? Hey i give it to him he’s a good talker!

    but this guy is just like the republican made wind surfing ad with Kerry, which Mr. O are we going to see today?

    Just once I’d like Mr. O say something original that is true.

    Hillary, I’ve been waiting for the sky to open up and the angelic choir!!!

  27. If you want to fight with them, spend the $10 at SA and get your own account.

    The charge you to hang out with the little boys with their little pee pee’s? Hell, they ought to PAY women wo go hang with them.

    Send my $100 gents, and maybe I’ll come pay you a visit. 😉

  28. Excuse me? You’re going to blame the victim while calling yourself an attorney?

    Why should I change the way I do things? I didn’t personally harass and attack them. Why don’t you shut up if you’ve got nothing helpful to contribute?

  29. BTW- there are no sexual harassment laws to cover this. Holy fuck, people. There are 2 types of sexual harassment- quid pro quo and hostile work environment. You have to have 20+ employees to be covered by the statute and same-sex harassment is still iffy when it’s hazing like. Some 12 yo ‘tard messing with your head bc you’re not smart enough to ignore him isn’t covered.

    Grow a thicker skin, get wiser or get off the Internet.

  30. The Obamabots are galvanized to beat this down for him and I hear from calling today that they are working EXTREMELY HARD.

    There goes Dot with all her sex talk again. 🙄

  31. Many churches have a tape library of services, sermons and Bible Studies that congregants can borrow from if they miss a service due to illness, travel, if they are teaching the children separately or they’re ushers or are on parking or security duty. I know people where their spiritual house even serves up MP3s.

    Trinity has a Tape Visitation Library though it is aimed at those that can’t make it to services. Perhaps they have a conventional tape library for general use by those that want to keep up with sermons, even when they have to travel a lot.

  32. Fran, you are the quintessential victim. I’m not sure you’re not a troll personally.

    You are supposed to be a grown up. And you are freaking out about a 12 yo in Buttfuck, Idaho.

    Take it to your own site.

  33. Idunn/mj:

    So here is my take:

    Youl will sit out or do a write-in. Not good; let us start another party and ask hillary to support it.

    The objective is two-fold:

    Make sure BO loses and express our choice in a way that will count. Write-in are not tallied!

    In either case McCain will win!

  34. # Idunn Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    The Obamabots are galvanized to beat this down for him and I hear from calling today that they are working EXTREMELY HARD.

    There goes Dot with all her sex talk again. 🙄

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  35. Amazing that people are making light of this by automatically calling it trolling. These are the same physical threats and intimidation that have been coming from this crowd all along–from the average voter to the superdelegates and beyond. Do some people need a house to fall on them?

  36. Can you stop assuming Hill has lost for christ sakes? That’s exactly as BO and his media sweethearts want you to do. Just let the process play out.

  37. heh. Oh, Idunn.

    Oh Idunn what? I’d hold their flaccid pee pee’s for $100 . Gal’s gotta eat, you know? 😉

  38. Fran, really, though, they are just kids on the internet. They don’t know who you are. I’d just ignore that site.

  39. $625,000 in less than 24 hours….online fundraising.

    The party is watching how much $ is being raised. Everything is going to count now.

    Back to the phones for another hour, will report later

  40. “Fran, you are the quintessential victim.”

    –And you are the quintessential moron. You don’t know how to post without personally attacking someone and making the post about them rather than what they’re saying. You should hang out at that place; you’d probably get along fine. You attacked that Obama supporter here, posting her name and other personal stuff, when that was completely unnecessary.

    Why don’t some people see this behavior is out of bounds?

  41. Hillary’s poll numbers are up.

    She is leading over the last two days in the Gallup Tracking Poll.

    The latest USA TOday/Gallup has her leading McCcain by 5 points.

    She is doing well in PA.

    Obama had a bad week and it will continue. His speech today didn’t settle anything.

    Why would anyone feel negative about her chances?

  42. Fran, I have contributed. I do research, I host parties, I blog, I make calls.

    Who the fuck are you? You show up here a few weeks ago and act like the most put upon caricature of women and now freak out about those guys at SA?

    And, yeah. I am an attorney. So f-ing what. I have a lot of hostility bc my clients are just as dumb as you sometimes act. This is an adult world, honey. Act like it, puh-leaze bc you are stressing me out instead of focusing on letter writing, calls, donating money and spinning the message.

    A lot of folks here have done a lot of great work this last year- especially this last 2 months and your feelings are not as important as getting Hillary elected. Your wasteful commentary turns off posters who are actually quite damn good and quite damn helpful.

    Now, I’m off to walk my fat Boston and get rid of this raging headache you caused.

  43. Because that out of bounds behavior is going on all over the internet. It essentially can not be controlled and should be ignored. Unless they contact you or post personal info, they are just trolls, and the advice is always, don’t feed the trolls, they only grow when you do that.

  44. hey, was the speech today inspiring, or will it hurt Obama, or too soon to tell, let me know.

  45. I don’t CARE who they are, what their ages races or sexes are. Inciting violence against people is unacceptable. I don’t want to hear that shit against anyone, including against Obama. But I’m certainly not gonna stand for it against me. And I don’t appreciate some loud-mouthed creep calling herself an attorney blaming me for this–and using the victim word, which if I’m not mistaken, that place has used in the conversation too.

    So what’s going on here?

  46. Buttfuck Idaho…sounds like an interesting vacation destination.

    What happens in Buttfuck STAYS in Buttfuck.

  47. Fran, you’ve got to stop being so paranoid about posters here. Look, if you are uncomfortable with those posts, than just submit them to the site’s administrator.

  48. # Fran Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    “Fran, you are the quintessential victim.”

    –And you are the quintessential moron. You don’t know how to post without personally attacking someone and making the post about them rather than what they’re saying. You should hang out at that place; you’d probably get along fine. You attacked that Obama supporter here, posting her name and other personal stuff, when that was completely unnecessary.

    Why don’t some people see this behavior is out of bounds?

    PS- I attacked someone who went directly to one of our folks via email. The guys at SA are lampooning your fretful behavior and messing with your head bc you react.

    As far as me being mean- it’s a gift. You got the superpower of whininess, I got Yosemite Sam-itis. I can rage on anything.

    Now buzz off.

  49. “Your wasteful commentary” “act like the most put upon caricature of women” “I have a lot of hostility bc my clients are just as dumb as you sometimes act.”

    –Why don’t you shut up with your personal attacks? And did you really call me “honey” when I’m complaining about sexist attacks? No wonder you’re anonymous. You must be some attorney. You wouldn’t get a single client if they read your disgusting writings here.

  50. # mj Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Because that out of bounds behavior is going on all over the internet. It essentially can not be controlled and should be ignored. Unless they contact you or post personal info, they are just trolls, and the advice is always, don’t feed the trolls, they only grow when you do that.

    Thank you, mj. I made that point way earlier in a funny-ish way and Fran overlooked it completely. I think that’s why I am so damn angry at her now.

    Idunn, Dot, mj, et al- I need a beer. :mrgreen:

  51. What site are you referring to, mj? I’m working on my complaints for elsewhere. But I’ll quit posting my “wasteful commentary” here.

    It’s nice to come here and get so much love and support and so many not-personal attacks.

  52. Okieatty, your posts are continually disgusting.

    I maintain that I am FAR more disgusting than Okie. She’s small beans…whereas I am the master.

  53. wait wait and WAIT

    Let’s get back to the focus of electing HIllary to be our next President, this is critical

  54. Some people *never* learn…

    Obama today criticized Wright for expressing a “profoundly distorted view of this country.”

    But members of Wright’s congregation say they don’t believe Wright offended anyone.

  55. Oh–and I am not “freaked out” about anyone or anything. I’m wise. When I see something developing, I nip it in the bud before it gets worse–that’s all.

  56. Fran, you are welcome to comment here. But people do this stuff all over the internet. You know, go ahead if you are concerned and contact the site’s admin, but just know, trolls are like mice, for everyone you see there are 1000 behind the wall. The internet is full of this stuff all over the place. You won’t have time in the day to monitor all of it.

  57. kaffeen Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    Some people *never* learn…

    Obama today criticized Wright for expressing a “profoundly distorted view of this country.”

    But members of Wright’s congregation say they don’t believe Wright offended anyone.

    Bwahahahaha!

  58. I’m depressed. HRC has been marginalized by the media. No matter what she does it’s not good enough. BO has dominated the air waved for the past 3 months. His speeches are given national coverage. He’s supported and lauded by MSM. Flicking and caught Tweetie saying (and whoever predicted this earlier you were dead on) that BO delivered one of the greatest speeches he ever heard. A black pastor on Blitzer attacking BO and a white minister defending him. Florida and Michigan’s votes not being counted. HRC’s WH docs been released is the only news I’ve heard about her, and that because BM is anticipating a ton of juicy details to hash and hash over again and further deflect all attention from her serious policies.
    How have we gotten to a point in this country where the only thing, evidently, that matters is electing a black man to the presidency? Why is 13% of the population controlling the other 87%. Kaffeen said he’s seen a lot of AA faces on news programs lately. I agree. That is ALL I see. It is all so obvious, so blatant, so hypocritical. And HRC is shoved aside and ignored except when something potentially scandalous pops up.
    We are being force fed information by the very people who control our access to it and they have decided to share only those portions of the news that THEY agree with. We are left gasping for air in an information vacuum.
    I’m almost ready to withdraw back into my cave. I never would have said this before but I do not believe she has a chance to get the nomination in a fair equitable way and I don’t think she would accept it under any other circumstances..
    Spin has become reality.
    Sorry for the pessimism but I am deflated.
    .One other thing,
    I will try once more to send Tweetie and Schuster and all the other heads my letter about the BO “Democrat for a Day” strategy that I emailed them about in January, even though it will be ignored, too.
    this because the other big topic of conversation was the Limbaugh “Chaos” tactic and everyone SOOOOO outraged that HRC could be picking up votes because Limbaugh has urged Repubs to vote for her. “They’re trying to decide our nominee,” says tweetie, completely ignoring the fact that BO has been pulling the same thing for months. And once again it’s all HRC’s fault. Like I said i will try once more to get the Dem for a day stuff to them even though it seems futile.
    OH, forgot to mention.
    The NERVE of BO comparing Geraldine’s ONE truthful comment to 20 years of association with Wright !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. Fran look…here’s the truth of the matter, YOU seem to think it’s fine when YOU go off on people who disagree with you. But then you expect those same people to fall all over themselves to take up for you when YOU feel attacked. This ain’t my fight…it’s yours. If you feel threatened in a real way, contact someone. If you’re just upset that you’re being made fun of…well…get over it. It happens.

  60. Well said, dot48. The Obama campaign is going down in flames right before our very eyes, but those Obama-bots will not go down without a fight: we all know that. Let them stay busy with the Republicans and McCain supporters, who will run him into the ground over this ever-growing Jeremiah Wright scandal.

    In the meantime, we Hillary supporters need to keep working hard — think “the little engine that could”! 😀

  61. basil, it ain’t over ’till Donna Brazille sings. Never say never. Never give up. Hillary won’t, she expects the same of her supporters.

  62. “Fran look…here’s the truth of the matter, YOU seem to think it’s fine when YOU go off on people who disagree with you. But then you expect those same people to fall all over themselves to take up for you when YOU feel attacked.”

    –More personal attacking. Don’t talk to me anymore, Idunn. I posted a warning to you too that they were attacking you there and you come back and attack me? Fuck you too. Don’t tell me what I expect and think; only I know that. Your characterizations of me are ridiculously unfounded. You just don’t like my posts–I can tell from your responses to me. And that’s fine what you don’t like. But don’t dare push that onto ME.

    THIS place is full of trolls and trolling behavior. These people are anonymous, too many people here are. I am NOT. That should tell people something. But, apparently, it doesn’t.

  63. I hope Fox has some more damaging information on Obama. I’ll be watching Hanity(sp) tonight. You know life has taken a big turn when Iam now watching FOX!!

  64. Don’t talk to me anymore, Idunn. I posted a warning to you too that they were attacking you there

    Yeah, and I told you I could give a rats ass.

  65. Kaffeen, Space,

    Sorry for momentarily wimping out but it is beyond unbelievable what is going on.

    Anyway, i’m gonna find the original Dem for A Day letter, resend it to tweetie and Schuster and then send the BO-Wright Connection letter to another dozen PA outlets. And then I’m gonna donate another $25.44.

  66. LOL!!!!!!!! Would you believe these somethingawful crackpots just sent me a gift certificate to post there?

    Crackpot at the top, crackpots at the bottom.

  67. Hey is Hillary going tob e on TV I havent seen here in a while and am in a need for Hillary’s meds 🙂

    It seems we’re being distracted let’s focus or channel on our energy on electing Hillary we all know she can do it and people are already attacking Obama on his speech and lack thereof and how he lied and so on forth – give it time – the media will continue to sh ow the wright sermons and how it’s difficult to believe that Obama ordealed this for 20 years and not stand up to his supposedly friend and advisor – is this someone you want in the white house?

    good posting: noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/18/what-weve-noticed-about-the-speech/

    so anyway, any one know about Hillary being on tv?

  68. These people are anonymous, too many people here are. I am NOT.

    Well, if you’re worried about trolls harrassing the living daylights out of you, maybe you should rethink your anonymity.

  69. “cnn wolf b is getting ready to reveal disturbing news about obama that they just heard”

    From TM comment

  70. Someone just mentioned on TM that Wolf Blitzer has bad news about Obama!

    Great…watch his weasly ass drop out so he’ll get to be a hero. 🙄

    Fucknut.

  71. @Idunn

    Great…watch his weasly ass drop out so he’ll get to be a hero. 🙄

    Fucknut.

    :snicker:

  72. i bet this drove barry back to marlboro country! thats probably why he isnt taking questions… 30 minute speech, then time for a smoke break!

    btw… what happend to rachel maddow? she sucks now that she’s on dave gregory’s show! she’s in the tank now too!

  73. I am not watching CNN…that sounds like a tease for low poll numbers that he will drag out for the next half hour

    keep me informed

  74. Seems like a false alarm. The person who posted the comment now post “Well that wasn’t disturbing” But then didn’t tell us what it was!!

  75. what was the bad news? or has it not been said yet?

    Guys please FOCUS on HELPING HILLARY let’s not be distracted on attacking one another this is the last thing we need to do – spread some Hillary love on one another –

    also Hillary is about 400k shy of her goal of 1 million dollars, let’s do it people!

  76. divabunny: Rachel has been in the tank the whole time. she called one of Hillary’s remarks “craven.” it was after one of the debates on immigration.

  77. kmf12 Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    JUST SAW SOMEONE ON FOX SAY ‘ obama needed to join the church to get his credentials in the black community because he needed them in his run for office…

    did he marry michelle for the same reason?

    It’s been suggested, but I can’t find the cite. Probably a Chicago Tribune profile from early 2007. Something about trying to establish himself in the Chicago Black political community. Her father had some local political post, her family was well-to-do.

  78. No way. I’m not catering to their narrative. A woman should be able to speak her mind any way she likes; if women can’t do that, society isn’t free for women. I’m not changing my life, I’m not hiding and running under a desk because the world is ugly, people are dumb and this country is collapsing with insanity. All the more reason to stand up and scream I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE.

    I’ve been web attacked before–it’s no biggie really. It’s the same-old shit and kind of boring actually because it’s the same-old shit.

    I’m only responding to your one post; I still don’t want to talk to you; you’ve gotten personal with me too many times. There are plenty of other people posters can talk to here.

    Getting back to the speech thing as someone suggested above, I think that at this point, Obama’s snowballing down will have a life of its own. Again, the voters will have seen the Wright videos–they MUST see these. They are important. Who Obama has surrounded himself with and WILL likely surround himself with is very important. Americans know this. Americans are the voters.

  79. I think it interesting…some are saying it is honorable that BO didn’t throw Wright under the bus.

    Well…perhaps.

    But GW didn’t throw Rumsfeld under the bus until it was too late.Or Cheney at all.

    WTF?!?!?! This woman on ABC news “I would ask that white people today think about what their parents or their grandparents thought about equality”

    NEWS NOTE OBAMA on ABC news later with Terry Moran intervirew

  80. Seems to have been a big tease. Went to try and vote at Philly.com but didn’t see where to vote. I was the poll but no voting mechanism.

  81. “I would ask that white people today think about what their parents or their grandparents thought about equality”

    Okay, now I’m just confused. Should my white half think about it, while my black half goes into the bathroom, covers it’s ears and hums real loud?

  82. Good news!
    Endorsement from West Virginia superdelegate Pat Maroney/DNC committee chairman:

  83. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
    @Idunn

    Great…watch his weasly ass drop out so he’ll get to be a hero.

    Well, if he does that, he’ll be my hero too.

  84. “would ask that white people today think about what their parents or their grandparents thought about equality”

    –I suspect one of my grandparents was too busy fighting in WWII and losing his elbow to the war to think about equality, though maybe that thousands of italian americans lost their property and were imprisoned here while my grandfather was fighting WWII might have made equality cross their minds.

  85. he said he endorsed a candidate on CNN

    also… spread word that Hillary will be in Indiana on Thursday

  86. We posted some of the lies Obama stated recently and today’s confession that he has been lying the past few days. It is not getting coverage on networks or blogs.

    Let’s get that information out through lists and postings. All the transcript information and links are on our article.

  87. “Endorsement from West Virginia superdelegate Pat Maroney/DNC committee chairman”

    –Someone at the DNC has endorsed her–this is REALLY good news.

  88. “would ask that white people today think about what their parents or their grandparents thought about equality”

    WTF? Some nerve. My parents thought a lot about equality. My grandparents were immigrants. They mostly had their mind on getting through WWII and the depression.

  89. Idunn…I don’t know what to think about what that woman said. How can i KNOW what my “ancestors” THOUGHT…even if I know what they were LIKE?

    My granddad was a JP in S Ga
    My Grandma taught methodist SS and had the town kindergarten for ALL kids

    my other Grand dad died when my mom was 13 (in Chicago) and he was a publisher of a shipping pub
    and my grandma worked for Wrigley’s gum in Chicago

  90. Idunn…I don’t know what to think about what that woman said. How can i KNOW what my “ancestors” THOUGHT…even if I know what they were LIKE?

    More to the point, what the hell does what THEY thought have to do with what I think?

  91. Admin…Brit Hume indicated that this was “still there” and gave no indication that it would get a pass from FOX

    they showed the tapes back to back, but yes, we need to get the real story out. He lied and his judgment sucks

  92. HILLARY RALLY – 7:00+ PM EST

    Millersville University in Lancaster County (Near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania)

    LIVESTREAMING:

    w*w.whptv.com/default.aspx

    Link on right-hand side.

  93. More to the point, Wright was spewing this crap point just last christmas. What the heck does that have to do with my folks and their folks?

  94. Gallup Daily: Clinton At 47%, Obama at 44%

    PRINCETON, NJ — Hillary Clinton now has a three percentage point advantage over Barack Obama in Gallup Poll Daily election tracking from March 15-17, with the support of 47% of national Democratic voters, while Obama has the support of 44%.

    This is the second day in a row in which Clinton has had a slight advantage over Obama — albeit not a statistically significant lead. An analysis of the day to day trends shows that Clinton had a significant lead in Monday night interviewing. On Tuesday Obama made a highly-publicized speech in Philadelphia on issues relating to race and his controversial pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and Gallup Poll Daily tracking results in the days ahead will reflect its impact on Democratic voters’ preferences, if any.

  95. I read somewhere that Obama has a Nation or Islam/Black Panther blog on his website. Does this interest anyone?

  96. I will send out the “lies” information, but I don’t think that is a nail in the coffin. I am concentrating on Rev. Wright and black theology.

  97. Irish1139 Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
    I read somewhere that Obama has a Nation or Islam/Black Panther blog on his website. Does this interest anyone?

    Not really.

  98. Good poll at Lou Dobbs: Would you leave your church if the pastor stated anti-American stuff (paraphrasing)

    80+% said yes

  99. Would you still attend your church if the United States was being cursed from the pulpit?

    No…because that isn’t why I go to church. I could give a rats ass what my pastors political opinions are.

  100. What is inportant to the DNC having the first AA run for President or win the GE??? They can’t have both!

  101. SpacegirlArt, Fox might or might not mention the lies Obama told on their station (which we did not include in our list). But on blogs and news stories there is no mention that Obama has been consistently lying the past few days (we included the CNN interview lies).

    We need to get the story out and posting the information in as many blogs and comment lines and emails lists as possible.

    This is something we can do. Easily. Let’s do it.

  102. Kaff…i think the Black theology and Wright’s constant references to JIm C-what’s his name is pretty strong

    but his lies are pretty big deals too

  103. What did my parents think about equality??

    Well, my father was a bigot. He said all AA should go back to Africa, with a hispanic in tow. SHUDDERS

    MY great-grandparents lived in Chicago during the early part of the 20th century and changed the pronounciation of their last name from “ABEL” to “ABLE” to make more U.S. friendly. They wanted to decrease a German association with their last name.

  104. What is inportant to the DNC having the first AA run for President or win the GE??? They can’t have both!

    Well, they COULD have had both, if the AA candidate wasn’t a two-faced, lying sack of horseshit.

  105. I had a wonderful preiest(episcipal) a while back. he was gay and came from the theater. He was really funny, and had a wonderful singing voice. Being at church was like seeing a show. Miss that guy.

  106. Idunn Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
    What is inportant to the DNC having the first AA run for President or win the GE??? They can’t have both!

    Well, they COULD have had both, if the AA candidate wasn’t a two-faced, lying sack of horseshit.

    Exactly. Actually BO could have been the first, if he either served as VP or stayed in his Senate seat and had dumped that church. You need the resume to win a GE.

  107. Someone at TM said Jack Murtha just endorsed Hillary on one of the channels. Anyone know about this? Thanks.

  108. Guys continue to send this Reverend Wright, Rezko stuff to all of the Bambi superdelegates AND the undecided superdelegates.

    and then, we need to send this stuff to all major local news stations in Penn, W. Virginia, Indiana, Montana, etc.

    Come to think of it, can we divide the work? Assign each person here to email a group of emails and stuff on a regular basis? 😀

    I personally want to email Kennedy AND kerry 😀

  109. texan4hillary Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
    murtha! and another sd in wv BIGGGG

    Huh? Is the DNC guy also from west virginia?

  110. JAS Says:
    March 18th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Obama must know that White America will not support him

    There’s more than one ‘white america’. He might get the nomination with some Superdelegates and people like Pelosi who can manipulate the rules of the convention and some other ‘party bigwigs’ like Ted Kennedy — latte liberal white guilt DailyKos types. And they are mostly elected from districts where the Kos types have been talking like Wright for years).

    However imo most of the other kinds of ‘white america’ will drop Obama as these tapes get more widely viewed. I hope enough of the Superdelegates and their constiuents are in these ‘americas’, or that they realize the GOP will win in Nov if Obama is nominated — especially with the help of these tapes.

    As for Obama knowing he can’t win in Nov — dunno. He’s pretty smart, but also very egotistical, imo perhaps delusional. He may be just sort of playing ‘chicken’ to finally trade his withdrawal in a ‘brokered convention’ for some future favor.

    Maybe I’m overly hopeful, but I think these tapes are very important, as they don’t need any news media to spread them. They speak for themselves and can spread through the grassroots even if Fox stops pushing them. (I wonder why Fox began pushing them NOW, instead of protecting Obama till the nomination was his.)

  111. Congressmen Murtha is from PA, he’s very anti-iraq war, but endorsed Hillary! That’s BIG!

    Also the other guy is DNC committee person

  112. He can’t win a GE because the 527’s will ruin him. I just want Hill to win the remaining states. I don’t want BO destroyed because I think that would hurt aa’s. If he goes back to Senate, get’s a resume, and dumps the church, he can shoot for it again in 8. I hope Hill runs with an aa. I don’t want the aa community let down.

  113. texan4hillary

    Not just that Murtha is a SD, he is a big bring home the troops now SD. His endorsement could start a trend towards Hillary with other SD. Obama was working hard for Murtha’s endorsement and did not get it. Thank you Rev. Wright, come on give a guess sermon somehwere Obama is not sinking fast enough for me…

  114. I understand tapes of Rev Wright were/ar being sold. Do they contain the anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-white stuff?

    Did Obama ever wonder if Wright’s attitude was infecting young blacks and could lead toracist violence?

    Did he say to his children: “Don’t pay any attention to his nonsense — I’m just there for the votes”.

  115. Oh, that’s nice, Idunn. Good hubby.

    Yeah, he’s a cutie. But he’s a young one, so I have to constantly remind him that he doesn’t know shit. 😉

  116. I agree. I hope Hillary runs with an AA. Though I do not like Obama at all. I do not want the black community to be crushed. It would be great if both women and people of color could jump together and brake a barier each.

  117. Mine’s an old one, but I remind him of that too. I suppose I don’t HAVE to, but I do just the same. 🙂

  118. Freckles,

    Since Fox bought the tapes I’m assuming the clips we’ve seen are from the 13 Greatest hits sermons of Jeremiah Wright.

    Go to the trinity Church site and click on store and you’ll see them unless they;ve been scrubbed.

  119. Mine’s an old one, but I remind him of that too. I suppose I don’t HAVE to, but I do just the same.

    LMAO! I was just gonna say that I’d remind him he didn’t know shit no matter either way. 🙂

  120. Hillary is brilliant today

    …As president you will never see me holding hands with the Saudi’s
    …fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
    …I’m tired of this country being over the oil barrel.

    She is really smart about using leverage, too. Says oil producers will start lowing price of oil if they are really worried about us phasing it out.

  121. Oh my word…that racist racist St. Paddy’s Day parade! Are they trying to say that Obama isn’t even a human now?? When will this hatred end??

  122. Murtha is very close with the generals. That’sprob why he endorsed her. if the generals want her, he wants her.

  123. Was just watching the film from the rally – Hillary looks and sounds terrific! This has been a good day!

    Just visited the Philly news poll that someone linked above. Only about 610 people have voted, and results are about even. 🙁 Please VOTE and forward to other Hillfans. 🙂
    http://www.philly.com/dailynews/

  124. I have no idea what that pic meant. I just don’t undertand the Irish and their wacky sense of humor. 😉

  125. Major Garrett on Fox said Obama is giving a major Iraq speech tomorrow–I would expect Hillary bashing. Thursday he is giving some kind of economic speech. I hope the Wright coverage continues despite it..

  126. information on Murtha endorsing Hill

    blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/18/john_murtha_endorses_hillary_c_1.html

  127. AmericanGal – he’ll bash Hillary – but, what kind of ground is HE on regarding JUDGMENT? And, get ready with “So, was the view pretty good from the cheap seats in ’02?”

  128. Why has it taken so long for her to wear this color?

    Because she finds it emotionally hard to let go of that fugly Mean Mr. Mustard jacket? 😉

  129. well mj…i am sure it is a scoop neck blouse of some sort…from here it looks like a tank top would look under a jacket

  130. Admiral Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania has already endorsed Hillary, so along with Murtha, we have two big name politicians with strong Military cred.
    OxyCon | 03.18.2008 – 7:35 pm | #

  131. here is what makes me mad tho…today, she does Iraq and Economic speeches

    TOMORROW

    BO will do Iraq and Thursday Economics

  132. apnews.myway.com/article/20080318/D8VG200G0.html

    “Black anger” and “white resentments,” he said, have “distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle-class squeeze: a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices and short-term greed.”

    Obama sounds like Elliott Spitzer if he’s addressing Wall Street. But I don’t think that there’s much that you can do about it. If you squeeze a lucrative money machine, it just doesn’t fall over; it figures a way around you. It’s not a monolithic structure but a whole bunch of people acting in their own self-interest. And since good times and bad times come in cycles, you make all you can as quickly as you can as it can come to an end at any time.

    If you’re an inexperienced trader, you rail at the manipulators. If you’re an experienced trader, you try to understand what the manipulators are doing and make money despite them.

    These are just symptoms of the middle-class squeeze though. Not the causes. The causes are the culmination of a lot of bad practices by many actors and any contributions to solutions need to be long-term. I don’t see it in the US will to do this at the given level of pain. This part of the speech seemed a clumsy to me but maybe it resonates with those that just want a sound bite. You can fix those three things but still have the problems that we’re having in the economy.

  133. “Because she finds it emotionally hard to let go of that fugly Mean Mr. Mustard jacket? ;)”

    I know that was your post before I scrolled all the way up!

  134. In the 1931 movie “Possessed” a well to do gentleman named Al Manning (Wallace Ford) told a small town determined young woman Marian Martin (Joan Crawford… “In, ain’t easy for a woman”.

    Just ask Hillary or any woman how true this is.

    77 years later it appears we have not moved an inch from the time that movie was made and that statement.

    50% (or there about) of the world population is female
    In addition, if what I am to believe of the scriptures, it has been since Adam and Eve.

    “Throughout” history, unlike any other minority, women were and continue to be the recipients of inequality, torture and persecution.

    Yes, I understand the anguish of the Black/African American community for the regrettable history of oppression that has been theirs to bear.

    Nevertheless, I am sick of the sexism against women and I am especially sick of it when other women spew this self-hating venom.

    Don’t ask me to cry about all the injustices of the others, when my gender has been under assault since the beginning of time. Don’t ask me to ignore the slander and perversion regurgitated by ignorant people against women even now today.

    Mr. O., you want fairness? When?

    If you want change, if you want hope, if you want historical value, by all means look at the talents and passion of this woman…Hillary Clinton and elect her to be the next president of the United States.

  135. Red is Hill’s power color. Mine too. Word to the wise, though:
    Never wear it when meeting with Japanese business men. Turns out it is insulting, I lost a big contract over it.

    …who knew?

  136. my letter to tweetie about his shock at Limbaugh’s ‘Chaos” strategy. i wanna send it to Schuster, too. Anyone have his contact?

    Dear Mr. Mathews,

    On today’s edition of Hardball you lamented that Rush Limbaugh has been urging Republicans to cross party lines and vote for Senator Clinton in primaries as a way to ‘rig’ the vote and bemoaned the fact that this is tantamount to the Republicans choosing the Democratic nominee.

    You did not, however, mention that Senator Obama has used the very same tactic for the past three months, encouraging Republicans to become “Democrat for a Day” and vote for him as a way to deny Senator Clinton the nomination.

    I have contacted you several times about your lapse in accurately reporting the story.

    Here is a portion of my email to you providing links to Senator Obama’s decidedly Rovian tactics.

    I would hope that since you are so appalled by Mr. Limbaugh encouraging this behavior, you will be equally disturbed by Senator Obama doing the same thing against a fellow Democrat.

    Perhaps you are not aware of the Mr. Obama’s nasty strategy for attacking a fellow democrat and its similarities to the Karl Rove attack machine of the 2000 and 2004 presidential races. Mr. Obama has not only falsely portrayed Senator Clinton’s positions on NAFTA, the Iraq War and Universal health coverage, he has also launched a campaign to convince Republicans and independents to cast their vote in the primaries and caucuses for him as a way to defeat Senator Clinton.

    As a result, approximately 9% of his voters have come from factions that will invariably abandon him to vote for Senator McCain in the General Election.

    This reprehensible strategy, called “Democrat for a Day,” urges non-democrats to switch parties during the primaries, a tactic that smacks of Voter fraud and disenfranchisement. The skewed results are clearly not representative of the will of real democrats with whom Senator Clinton maintains a solid lead.

    Here are links to the materials I cite.
    WANNA BECOME AN OBAMACRAT?!!!
    By Obama Florida 2008
    Published: April 24, 2007
    ….
    That’s why “Democrat for a Day” was launched this spring by ObamaFlorida2008. Using the official forms provided by all Supervisors of Elections offices, you may re-register as a Democrat for that one day — when the primary is likely to be held — on February 5, 2008. You must do so before the end of 2007, to make sure it is done 30 days before the primary.
    But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the
    Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.
    ….
    But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.
    In fact, during the first couple of weeks in April, some 150 Republicans indeed became “Democrats for a Day.” You might call them “Obamacrats!”
    A similar flyer was distributed in Nevada by an Obama precinct captain and there is another circulating in Texas.
    republicansforobama.org/?q=about 12/7

    /republicansforobama.org/?q=og/all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUE4Kp0YERs

    /vermontersforobama.org/2007/07/11/never-too-old-to-volunteer-for-obama/

    I look forward to hearing you report on this information in the near future.

    Sincerely,

    H. Hawke
    hilaryhawke@mhcable.com

  137. BAsil6 said – I will try once more to send Tweetie and Schuster and all the other heads my letter about the BO “Democrat for a Day” strategy that I emailed them about in January, even though it will be ignored, too.

    Basil, MSM will still ignore it or spin it the other way. Imo the people who might pay attention are Dean, Pelosi, etc, and/or other Superdelegates.

    Here’s some evidence I’ve got, I’ll see if I’ve got more. taylormarsh.com has a video of his from PA with similar material. h t t p : / / http://www.ironmyvote.com/obamas-popular-vote.htm

  138. justme,
    LOL- I need David SCHUSTER’S contact!

    Monkey,
    New tapes were discovered today by Hannity and I believe they will be aired on his show tonight. But they’re no doubt more clips from the 13 Greatest Wright Sermons Classic Edition. hehehehehe.

    1950’s dem,
    I agree but since the subject had FINALLY come up on tweetie’s show, I figured I’d try once again to get the other side to him. i know it’s probably futiel.

  139. One hour ago, when I brought this site up on Yahoo, I was sent to Taylor Marsh site!! I thought it an usual thing to see Marsh talking up a ticket with both of them on it. I did not know she felt that way?

  140. Hi 1950, my info’s on my site–go to my blog uwimc.blogspot.com/ and then my geocities homepage.

    I do not want to keep posting here–if anyone else asks about me here from now on, please direct them to my blog. For me, things went too far here today–Clintons supporters should NOT be personally being attacked here, especially when they post about being personally attacked by Obama supporters elsewhere. This is bullshit. This is turning into one of THEIR style of places.

    I’m going to find another place to get Clinton info from–maybe I’ll just check her main site. I have trouble getting into most pages there though.

  141. Today in one of the Detroit newspapers, there was a letter from one of my fellow disenfranchised voters. He had a wild idea about how to get back at the DNC– if they don’t count our votes and seat our delegates, then MI won’t put the Dem candidate on our ballot in November. I’m sure our state Dems won’t go for such a plan, but it would probably scare Dean.

  142. ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/18/white-men-and-the-obama-campaign/

    He called on whites to stop denying the prevalence and continuing harm of racism. He said whites should acknowledge “that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people.” The legacy of discrimination, he said, “and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past, are real and must be addressed,” in part by building better schools and other facilities in black neighborhoods.

    There are times that I feel that there is a glass ceiling and that I’m at a racial disadvantage but my company has taken very good care of me over the years. And maybe it’s that I don’t have the skills or that there aren’t a lot of opportunities for advancement or that I don’t have a Phd or that I haven’t shown any interest in management. I generally try to give people the benefit of the doubt unless I have concrete evidence to the contrary. And even then taking no action might be the most pragmatic approach.

    Is racism prevalent? I don’t know. Perhaps it’s a little presumptive to make the sweeping generalizations about it that he did applying to every corner of the United States. Perhaps Obama should document and quantify the “prevalence and continuing harm of racism.”

    He mentioned that the are real and must be addressed.

    How do you address something that you can’t identify?

    The answer of building better schools and other facilities is concrete. But I think that this is a class issue. I have a residence in a city where the median household income is under $40,000 and it has a heavy minority population. But everyone, whites included, would love to have better schools, better facilities and better daycare.

    I would go for better teachers and better parents over better facilities, assuming that they are adequate. I’ve been to other countries where the facilities aren’t much but where teachers have order in their classrooms, parents are supportive of teachers encouraging the best students to go into teaching, and parents provide enrichment to the best of their abilities. Unfortunately we have a woefully inadequate level of parental education. An educated generation has to be in place for the efficiency of parents being able to help their children educationally.

    High-wage jobs are plentiful in my field right now. The tech bubble in the late 1990s crashing, combined with the rigor and difficulty of engineering and science programs in college and the fears of outsourcing resulted in a dearth of students going into these areas resulting in a shortage of graduates for companies to hire. And yes, there are companies in the US that want to hire employees in the US. But a lack of grads means that they are sometimes forced to hire in India.

    Obama was the only presidential candidate that called for an investigation of Mike Nifong and I’d give him credit for that. Not only was that case a shockingly egregious violation of civil rights but it was a huge example of reverse-discrimination. They were prosecuted and persecuted because they were white. A member of the New Black Panthers uttered a death threat to Reade Seligmann in a courtroom and the judge did nothing about it. To my knowledge, Obama never followed up on this case. I think that doing so would have been a sharp negative in North Carolina.

    Obama complained about sound bites on Wright and that they don’t represent the totality of Wright or Trinity. Well, perhaps Wright and Trinity will come out and apologize. Does Obama have the negotiating skills and power of personality to pull this off? Jerry Falwell apologized in his attributions of 9/11 to gays. Is Wright better than Falwell?

    I found a lot in this speech to be in sound bites that tried to address very difficult issues in a short period of time. And failed. Perhaps he doesn’t have a sufficient grasp of the issues to understand that you can’t solve deep problems with sound bites. And that giving more focused speeches would be a better approach. I think that Hillary is better in this regard. But being a policy wonk is a natural advantage here.

  143. Jen the Michigander – had heard there was a similarly arcane rule in Florida that would allow the Congress there to take the Democrats off the ballot if none of their delegates are seated.

    Since the Congress in FL is Republican controlled – I’m sure they’d be happy to see only McCain on that Presidential ballot.

  144. wbboei’s comment from the last thread, lol:

    As previously predicted media whores sought to portray his speech as the oratorical equivalent of the Funeral Oration of Pericles.

    Also, great news on Murtha, and you guys are really cracking me up tonight! 🙂

  145. Jen,

    Crist has ALREADY threatened to use that strategy in Florida if the primary votes aren’t counted and the delegates seated. Crist says he will take the dems off the GE ballot!

    ANYONE have DAVID SCHUSTER email??????

  146. This was so funny – one of the posters on Taylor Marsh:

    MLK: I have a dream.

    Obama: I have a Grandma.

  147. I really wish people would not make the MLK comparisons, though the one above is in jest. MLK wasn’t a pol.

  148. mj – I think it stems from BO and his supporters and surrogates even slightly intimating that he’s anywhere near being a new MLK. He’s obviously far far from it.

  149. If BHO is on top of the ticket (or anywhere, really, at this point) we’ll be looking at a Dukakis-level loss (or maybe even Mondale). Seriously. There is no way BHO can win the general. Karl Rove already unveiled his strategy today, which, let’s face it, is going to be a lethal one: “How is Obama going to stand up to foreign dictators, if he can’t even stand up to his own pastor?” Sure, none of us here like Karl Rove, but let’s face it, the guy is a mad genius and he’s won two straight presidential elections. The Republicans will do whatever it takes to win, and only the toughest Democrat can hope to win.

    And the toughest Dem? We all know who she is…

  150. Fran,

    Hugs from me as well. If I were being posted about like that, I would be just as upset as you are. And no I don’t think that makes you a wimp. I think it makes you human.

  151. Jehmue Green AA Dem Strategist…Kos – Liberal Elite at it’s worst, and they forget they will need ALL the Dems to win…and when the owner of Daily Kos shows his enmity for Hillary Clinton, he is driving away half the dem base! LOL!!!

  152. John Murtha Endorses Hillary Clinton
    Rep. John P. Murtha has announced his endorsement of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, bringing his clout as a 17-term member of the House and a prominent anti-war Democrat to bear with more than a month until the primary here in his home state.

    “Sen. Clinton is the candidate that will forge a consensus on health care, education, the economy, and the war in Iraq,” Murtha wrote in a statement about his decision

  153. With that statement by Jehmue they have taken a major move to the center to pick up independents, I think. They also see how the Repubs are going to paint the dems and they are moving away from the stinky cheese.

  154. Hillary got two superdelegates today:

    a) Jack Murtha, Pennsylvania
    b) Pat Maroney, West Virginiahttp:

    thepage.time.com/

  155. I would love to see a multi-party system – so that DailyKos, Pelosi, Dean and their liberal elite lemmings can go hang there shingle where it belongs and stop pretending to represent all of us.

    Says that the DLC is a non-profit organization with 501c4 status; wonder if it can be an official party….hmmm.

  156. space,
    Here I am. i flit in amd out like the flock – always taking care of them stealing a couple of minutes at the pc back to bird duty – 4 parrots are exhausting!

    what’ up? Got Schuster’s addy?

    Who is jehmue?

  157. INinla…I would LOVE to have a third party out of this. I love the “America Hating Kossaks” line on the Mydd post about Murtha, talking about Obama supporters. They doo not represent me at all…nor MILLIONS of other Democrats. Just wait til the GE if they are unsure.

    I would guess that more people can’t stand Nasty Pelosi than hillary

  158. Just want to mention that I was speculating about the position shift, etc, but I think it would be brilliant because the Repubs are definately going to try to paint all dems with the broad radical left brush.

  159. Jehmue was an AA woman dem strategist and clinton person talking to OReilley about the thugs on Kos…

    I am trying to send you an email with toms of addresses but it is stuck…will get it to you

  160. Yes, and I think if the DNC tries to disenfranchise those two states she could pull a helluva lot of people away from the party immediately. This two party system does not work at all.

  161. Guys, we are a republic. You need one of those two parties aparatus to win a GE. Let’s just make sure Hill wins.

  162. Hillbill!

    No way! My Venus is a blue-front, too! Also have a Quaker, a grumpy grouchy pms-ing plum-head and a budgie. What’s your guys name?

  163. just a reminder folks…we need to get ADMINS post message out to these folks too:

    202-730-7000
    Union President Andy Stern, x7300
    Executive VP Eliseo Medina, x7863
    Executive VP Tom Woodruff, x7210
    Executive VP Mary Kay Henry, x7708
    Local Union Lorna abraham, x7451

    HYPOCRIT AND LIAR OBAMA who cannot be trusted to telll the truth the first time. Also, wright sucks

  164. Absolutely..if they do not seat MI/FL as is now with full delegates, she should run as a 3rd/new party candidate; if she does not then somebody else should.

    Harold Ford is head of DLC currently!

  165. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
    What’s Ford’s pastor like!? LOL

    Totally normal church from what I remember. He actually used his church affiliation in his Senate run.

  166. Good morning friends,

    The Murtha endorsement is interesting. Must be a little House politics going on. Most likely he thinks that since many of the recently gained seats in 2006 were in swing districts, lots of them in the south, these may reconvert back to red if Obama heads the ticket. The Republicans will be handing out free copies of the Wright sermons on every street corner in these districts. Independents in the south are not the same as independents in the north. If that happens, he can’t take any blame. If the losses are very large, he may replace Pelosi. She is trying to play it safe by not “officially” endorsing anyone, but this could backfire on her. Stan Hoyer is from MD, he dare not say anything against Obama. Smart move by Murtha. When the boat is sinking, it is every person for themselves.

  167. mp,
    What’s DLC?

    Hillbill, How old? Mine is at least 25 and maybe older. I know she’s femaile coz she laid eggs. how’d you discover maggies gender? Diya do the DNA testing?

  168. Thanks, Jan–hugs back at you. If anyone else says anything nice after I post this–thanks advance. I don’t want to keep posting here. People can always come to my place and post something nice.

    But just one more time: Spaceart, can you email me? What did you want to talk about?

    Go to my blog uwimc.blogspot.com/

    Click on my profile and find my homepage–I talk about emailing me there at the bottom.

  169. paddy4Hill, I’m pretty sure it is the generals. They want Hill, and that’s who Murtha listens to the most. He’s very close to the top brass.

  170. Morning Paddy

    We are structuring a new party lead by HHillary and maybe Harold Ford if the DNC ditches FL and MI…which so far they have done. NO new votes in either. FL dead. Obama blocking MI re-do

  171. mp Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    Democratic Leadership Council…they are mainly blue dogs…fiscally responsible, moderate democratics – not the liberal elites!

    http://www.dlc.org

    I am not a fan of the DLC.

  172. Paula, I thought the same

    Maybe she will come here next!

    GOD I HOPE SO

    I want SO BADLY to see her live….and maybe just say THANK YOU, YOU ARE MY HERO! and WE’VE GOT YOUR BACK!

  173. follow-up to Spacegirl’s post…

    Everyone, please make calls to SEIU. They have 1.9 million union members and have contributed HUGE amounts of money towards ads for Bambi. Losing this endorsement could be critical for this election! We need to put pressure on the SEIU union who endorsed BO (seiu.org).

    Everyone, please call now about Rev. Wright and ask why SEIU is STILL endorsing BO, especially given these anti-American comments and NAFTA-gate!

    tel. 202-730-7000
    Union President Andy Stern, x7300
    Executive VP Eliseo Medina, x7863
    Executive VP Tom Woodruff, x7210
    Executive VP Mary Kay Henry, x7708
    Local Union Lorna Abraham, x7451

    –> Sec/Tres Anna Burger, x7303

  174. basil, Maggie is 16 and I hand-fed her when she couldn’t even sit on a perch. She does her “spring thing” every year (I’ll bet you know what I mean) and the KAKAKAKAKAK sound she makes is the female sound.

  175. tel. 202-730-7000

    –> SEIU Sec/Tres Anna Burger, x7303

    * Anna is very anti-Clinton and is the one making political decisions for Change to Win and SEIU.

  176. Please stop talking up the DLC. Hill just wrote a paper for them. That’s what the am. dreams initiative is. It was mostly so thos more conservative dem’s would not outright oppose her.

    I like Harold, though.

  177. Hey guys, focus on helping Hillary!

    Hows the Hannity show? Im watching Dancing with the Stars, need a light night for me, 😉

  178. Oh yeah – i know exactly what you mean! it’s driving me nutso this year coz it’s the plum-head’s first time and she is DESTROYING the cottage. I keep threatening to clip her wings but she knows I’m just bluffing. 🙁

    Venus is a rescue bird – have had her 10= YEARS AND i KNOW BY HER BANDING THAT SHE WAS WILD-CAUGHT BEFORE LAWS WERE ENACTED. (NOT THAT ANYONE LISTENS TO THEM NOW, EITHER). sO I KNOW SHE WAS 15-20 WHEN I GOT HER.

    😳 sorry about the caps.

  179. Well I am currently not fan of DNC… so since I am begging for Hill….that is just ann option please!

    I will take Dean over Ford ANY DAY!

  180. Newt commentary on Speech….

    thought it was alright until he sat and READ it and was really pissed! He got stuck on grandma too! LOL

  181. Maybe the DLC is “evolving”. Anyway, I just think that Hillary will be trying to find away to distance herself from the more radical elements of the party. She has to, you know that the Repbulicans will try to paint all dems as William Ayers/Jeremiah Wright/ Abbie Hoffman type Radicals. No doubt in my mind. Hill is doing well getting the Generals in her corner.

  182. I dont know enough about Ford. But I don;t want Herr DEAN ANYWHERE NEAR my politics anymore…ever

  183. spacegirlArt, I saw her in person in Waco, Texas, she is awesome, looks nothing like her pics. She looks so young and thin. Her eyes just light up when she meets someone. She is just so Presidential, she is going to be the greatest president of all time. I just know it!!

  184. Daily Kos has become a sewer. I know – I am a former Kossack blogger. I have just emailed BillO with some of my experiences over there when I “came out” supporting Hillary, including the outright misogyny flung at her and at the women supporting her, the many complaints to admin and Markos, and their refusal to make the nasty language and sexual comments toward women stop.

    I gave Bill O lots of ammunition. I hope he uses it.

  185. Hi mj, that’s a good point. Considering that , Murhta then might make a good VP for Hillary.

    Hi SpacegirlArt, How was your day? A new Party! I’m ready. Let’s go for it.

    Fran, I am gald you are still with us. Don’t go.

  186. paddy…you seem a little bit more well-connected! Why not drop that suggestion at your next dinner party!

    Hillary owes nothing to the DNC leadership, or Kennedy, Kerry, DURBIN, or Brazile…

    they have tried to sink her as a candidate, her as a POLITICIAN and her as a WOMAN…

    they are doing their best to steal the election from the people and have NO CLUE about how to win an election for the party.

    She could do it with one hand tied behind her back. They KNOW that, that is why they don’t support her.

    A bunch of elitist white boys are afraid of Hillary Clinton. She is better than they are and they KNOW IT. (sorry if this seems a bit sexist, just that is what I see sometimes)

  187. Look in all honesty, it would be difficult for Hill as Bill’s wife, former first lady etc. to break away and start a new 3rd party. But she can support it!… Maybe with our help.

  188. I am glad to have Murtha’s support of Hill…but I don;t want him in a leadership position (AbScam) too much for Repubs to resist

  189. Murtha would never leave his post in the Congress. Ever. And, Hill wouldn’t pick him. It’s a good endorsement, though.

    My friend said on Fox today they said Hill was to “the left” of BO on Iraq, so I don’t know about the positioning. The funny thing is she’s not to the left or the right. She’s just ready to end the war. She’s got the resolve. And, she’s getting rid of private mercenaries. i think that may have been what they are referring to. Anyway, she clearly has crafted her plans with the help of these admirals and generals, and flag officers, so I guess the military brass is all to the left of BO. Heh.

  190. Wow…for almost 30 minutes I’ve sat here with nothing at all to say. I should get the fuck off the computer..lol.

  191. mj…maybe in the “old Politics” yes….

    but remember…we don’t want “politics as usual” anymore

    I say go for it!

  192. Um, she’s the wife of the only two term Democratic president in my life. She’s not starting a new Party. Let’s just make sure she leads THIS Party.

  193. I think Harold Ford would be an excellent VP candidate. It’s possible Hillary could turn Tennessee blue with him on the ticket – and maybe some help from Al Gore.

  194. Hill could turn Tenn blue with or without. She did very well there. Got the catholic vote, and the white evangelical vote.

    Idunn, did you have your sub?

  195. Idunn….? Honey? You feeling alright? LOL

    Quit hitting on me, Spacegirl. I told ya I’m married. 😡

    but no…I don’t think I AM alright. I think I’m shelled shocked or something. I’m just staring at the big pinkness of the screen…like someone sucked my brain out of my head and my dumb body now doesn’t have a clue what to do.

  196. I’ll say one thing – there is definitely something historic about Obama’s candidacy. Never in history has a candidate gotten so far, and been SO unprepared to lead…

  197. Ya’ll how is the phonebanking going? I’m happy with Pennsylvania but we can’t get lax. Obama is going to throw tons of money into that place.

  198. Idunn Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    Idunn, did you have your sub?

    I don’t know.

    hehehehe. Isn’t that what you call a sub from subway?

  199. space,

    you DID hear that Patterson and his wife both admitted to having had extra-marital affairs and Dave used to have his rendezvous at the Manhattan Days Inn motel! Also, one of his girls is still on the state payroll.

    Must be something in the water up here. McGreevey, Spitzer, Patterson .

    that’s my Gov.

  200. Let us contact Jack Murtha’s office and thank him. DailyKooks and Dumbington Post commenters are trashing him:

    District Office
    647 Main St. Suite 401
    Johnstown, PA 15901
    P: (814) 535-2642
    F: (814) 539-6229
    Toll-free: (800) 289-2642

    Washington D.C. Office
    2423 Rayburn HOB
    Washington, DC, 20515
    P: (202) 225-2065
    F: (202) 225-5709

  201. for TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW DICK morris has said that Unless OBAMA GOES TO JAIL OR SOMETHING before the convention, he will be the nominee

  202. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
    for TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW DICK morris has said that Unless OBAMA GOES TO JAIL OR SOMETHING before the convention, he will be the nominee

    So what? He’s a Hillary hater. He’d love to see McCain white the floor with him, and get rid of Hill in the process.

  203. Basil, yes, I heard, and I think he was brave, both were rave to admit they both had, but went and worked it out. I don;t think they should have HAD to, but it’s good they did. that is not at all the same as Spitzer, but McGreevy and HIS wife are a trip now, arent they?!

  204. Basil,

    2 questions please…

    What prompted Patterson and his wife to admit their infidelities?

    What if any political fallout will there be?

  205. hillary is in mi!
    thepage.time.com/2008/03/18/fight-on-fight-on-til-you-have-won-daughter-of-chappaqua/

  206. MJ…I know he is a hillay hater. I just thought it a strange choice of words regarding Obama and thinking of Rezko

  207. OMG, fruedian slip “So what? He’s a Hillary hater. He’d love to see McCain white the floor with him, and get rid of Hill in the process.” I meant “wipe”. 😳

  208. dot48, On the previous thread you said something about Dem insiders worried about Obama in November. Did you hear that somewhere?

  209. heard it on some show today…most likely on Fox. Maybe they are starting to worry about the monster THEY have made.

  210. Jan,
    I thnk it’s coz they knew it was gonna come out sooner or later and after seeing the slow-mo Spitzer bloodbath they decided to get everything out in the open ASAP. He’s gonna be under a microscope now as the first blind AA NYS governor.

    I read somewhere that he and his wife, with whom he’s reconciled, didn’t want to be ‘blackmailed.” i wonder if he’s referring to the woman still working for the state who was one of his lovers. Now she’s gonna be working for HIM instead of Spitzer and maybe she and Davy didn’t end amicably? i dunno. Just speculating here.

  211. You know what, I’ve been thinking tonight, I was thinking how freaking absurd it is that BO gets caught with this whacky pastor, so rather than answer legitimate questions about his judgement, he delivers a CYA speech on race. Pretty pathetic, when you think about it.

  212. re: multiparty system – the 2 party system is the problem now which is why some liberal elites are so intent on f*ing over another group of liberals- from the game playing DNC to the way to caucuses are handled, etc. I think what this whole Clinton and BO process and the rancor is engendering is realization that there are real rifts in the Dems.

    Same with Republicans – if this were slugging it out the same way, say McCain and Romney still duking it out, the splits with the neocons and the more moderate Repubs would be really showing.

    and Bill Clinton said on Fox the other night, if it weren’t a winner take all system for the Repubs and they had to do it the same way as the Dems, John McCain would not be the nominee now or yet.

  213. Dot,
    I’ve heard that theory for the past few weeks, that in propping BO up the repubs may have let the genie outta the bottle and now they’re afraid they won’t be able to squish him back in.

  214. Yes, well what BC was saying is our Dem system sucks. This is a Republic, and it’s going to stay that way.

  215. tell that to lou dobbs mj…his guests were saying how brave (something like that) he was in doing this.

  216. People, please don’t forget to call Murtha’s office and thank him. I am sure the Obamabots are calling and harassing him.

  217. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    Ininla…didnt he alsoo say Hillary would have won big with winner take all?

    Uh, yeah. Of course she would have. She’s won all the big states. She’d be wiping the floor with him.

  218. so fox played part of a video that Wright did in church that dissed Israel too?

    Also, seems Colin Powell GOT UP AND LEFT during one of Jeremiah Wrights conventions .. HE GOT UP AND LEFT when he heard the ANTI AMERICAN RHETORIC.

    WOW. Fox never even breathed a word tonite about him “fessing” up to being in the church. They plan to do the BigBang ..

    Seems what is being sold on the tapes is ‘THE BEST OF JEREMIAH WRIGHT” … IF THIS IS JEREMIAH WRIGHTS BEST… I bet Obama owns this whole collection.

  219. have won big with winner take all?

    dedfg Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
    tell that to lou dobbs mj…his guests were saying how brave (something like that) he was in doing this.

    Where do these people get off? Brave? Please. THe MSM is so pathetic.

  220. Basil “that in propping BO up the repubs may have let the genie outta the bottle and now they’re afraid they won’t be able to squish him back in.”

    I wrote this same argument to several RW radio folks just before Rush came out for Hillary…

    don;t think I had anything to do with it…but I think the message got through

  221. I agree with mj. She will not form her own party, even though if the nominiation is stolen from her (MI, FL), I do wish SOMEBODY would form a third party for women. We have been given the shaft for too long (sorry for the pun). Hillary at least can be it’s spiritual founder.

  222. Dot…Hannity?FOX is really setting this up as a slam dunk….

    just wait.

    Hannity will not let this go. He is questioning the whole premise of dishonesty and lies and CREDIBILITY & JUDGMENT, but he has to do it SOON, because it will wane on the other networks soon if he does not

  223. mj,

    i agree. Since when is race the over-riding concern of the entire country? What about health care, education, jobs, crumbling infrastructure, dysfunctional education systems, energy problems, immigration, border security, Afghnistan, iran, pakistan, iraq . . . . .

    NOOOOOOOOOO. the only thng that matters is the race issue. Well that is important but it doesn’t rise to the level of some of these other issues, none of which we’ve heard a d@mn thing about. And i predict that will not sit well with voters, should BO be the nominee. Who wants a president more concerned with one special interest group than another? What happened to parity, equal representation? So far his campaign has addressed only 13% of the population. What about hispanics, gays, Asians, low-income working class whites . . what about the military, the army recruits, the elderly, the single moms?

  224. This is Bill Clinton from his 2000 Farwell Address:

    “Third, we must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colors into the fabric of one America. As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences, in our hearts and in our laws. We must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, and regardless of when they arrived in our country–always moving toward the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams.”

    Here is Bambi today:

    “[W]e must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colors into the fabric of one America. As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences, in our hearts and in our laws. We must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, and regardless of when they arrived in our country–always moving toward the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams.”

  225. I am still looking forward to that Clinton-Edwards ticket. Come on John, its time to endorse her now.

  226. Fox news isn’t taking any of the Obama shit. Wow. They are all over this. Thank God. Hannity even said he has gotten the worse hate male of his career all because he told the truth. And Frank Luntz was like congratulations Sean and you’ve got the tape to prove it. Sean is not going to let Obama become President. He is totally serious. Color me impressed.

  227. Paddy, I don;t think the “For Women” would get enough. It is exclusionary on it’s face. But the Blue Democrats or something like that.

  228. TPS,

    Ohhhhh, I’d just Love to see Obamabots try and mess with Murtha. He probablly can’t WAIT for an excuse to go after them! hehehehe.

    If anyone missed the video upthread (or on the previous thread_ of the NEw Black Panther Party being driven out of a community where they were demonstrating . . . . complete with hell’s angels revving their bikes . . . . .

    Murtha will eat them for a mid-morning snack. LOVE Murtha.

  229. paddy4Hill,

    A Clinton/Edwards match up would be a dream come true.

    Sigh…given how little good luck has come Hillary’s way so far, she is way overdue for something like this.

  230. That woman sitting in for Colmes is getting on my last nerve and it’s only Tuesday…sigh.

    I can’t believe the free pass she is giving Obama.

  231. Before the whole Wright mess, Obama asked for Imus (radio host) to be fired for his comments, but he won’t “disown” Wright… hmmm interesting

  232. I’m serious. The man is SHAMELESS. As many times as he has trashed Bill Clinton’s legacy during this campaign, he rips off the closing of Bill’s farewell address – word by word. Let’s expose his phony ass!

  233. is there an article on powell walking out? that would be a big deal. detroit news says hillary will be giving

  234. Dora…I picked that up from a post today and sent it to powers aloft to call a hypocrite a hypocrite

  235. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1125290.stm

    here is the link to bill clinton fare well speech and you can see what BEN pointed out

  236. Independent Ben, show me the actual stuff, and we should forward this to ALL of the media outlets! I’ll help if you need it!

  237. justmeinmountdorafl,

    No, they’re not reporting it – but I e-mailed it to Hannity so far. I got it off of Larry Johnson’s blog

  238. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1125290.stm

    please read the text under diversity in the above link… what BEN pointed out, it is there

  239. BEN! I AM AMAZED THAT NO ONE HAS THIS

    Can you send me the link for Bill’s transcript? I will take care of it! WITH PLEASURE! Can someone find a YouTube?

  240. this is what BILL said

    “Diversity

    Third, we must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colours into the fabric of one America.

    As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences.

    In our hearts and in our laws, we must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender or sexual orientation and regardless of when they arrived in our country, always moving toward the more perfect union of our founders’ dreams.

    Hillary, Chelsea and I join all Americans in wishing our very best to the next president, George W Bush, to his family and his administration in meeting these challenges and in leading freedom’s march in this new century.

    As for me, I’ll leave the presidency more idealistic, more full of hope than the day I arrived and more confident than ever that America’s best days lie ahead.

    My days in this office are nearly through, but my days of service, I hope, are not. In the years ahead, I will never hold a position higher or a covenant more sacred than that of president of the United States.

    But there is no title I will wear more proudly than that of citizen.

    Thank you. God bless you, and God bless America.

  241. I want to expose him for this. Matthews said the speech reminded him of Lincoln, for God’s sake . . . .

  242. space gilr, here is the link

    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1125290.stm

    read the text at the end of page under the heading “DIVERSITY”

  243. please put this out.. make an youtube video and put it out there please… inform to clinton campaignn

  244. Oh Jeeeeez – caught a snippet of Ogreman saying BO’s speech TRANSCENDED racism when he invoked his grandmother and how everyone has someone like that in their family!!!!!!

    WTF!!!!!!!!!

  245. Jit…thanks!

    Ben…where in BO’s speech is this? I have the speech, don’t want to go thru the whole thing…give me an approximate location

  246. Here’s the blog where I found it

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/18/what-weve-noticed-about-the-speech/

  247. OMG, he palagrized Bill Clinton! Wow.

    Race is always a huge issue in american. That’s not what I meant. I meant using it to cover your ass.

  248. Jit/Ben…I have BC’s speech. I have the paragraph. thanks for the link

    I am looking for same in BO Speech.

    Can someone PLEASE look for a BC/Bambi YouTube? this will TANK HIM one more rung

  249. so somebody inform the moron mathews and olberman.. or have clinton campaign issue a statement.. this is entire para just like that.. i want to know what he would say now..

  250. SpcaegirlArt, well maybe just the threat of a woman’s party would be enough to wake up some folks in the DNC. We need to transform ourselves from being the silent majority to a very vocal one. This is phase three in the woman’s rights movement. First one got us the vote, the second our basic rights in the home and in the workplace, and finally now, equality in politics. Unlike Obama and friends we don’t hate the others. Can’t very well since they are our family members and life mates. We can imitate Gandhi and MLK in resisting oppression with love, because we just want the other side to know they are doing something wrong. Too bad Obama and company doesn’t feel the same. No matter what the result of this election is, Hillary will go down in history as one of the great Americans of the 21st century.

  251. AN INTERESTING POETIC RESPONSE TO OBAMA’S SPEECH

    ‘Barack, I Didn’t Do It for This’:
    March 18, 2008 8:23 AM
    Barack Obama’s speech today moved Roger L. Simon to poetry for the first time since high school. He apologizes for the inadequacies.

    by Roger L. Simon

    Barack, I didn’t do it for this.

    Barack, I was a civil rights worker… South Carolina, 1966… 22 yrs old … helping old folks register to vote, teaching kids to read and write, directing Raisin in the Sun…

    Barack, I didn’t do it for this.

    Barack, I dream of my kindergarten best friend Andy from Walden School, Manhattan, born one day after me, shot dead in Mississippi 1964.

    Barack, I idolized Stokley Carmichael and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.

    Barack, I lost the full use of my left hand for life in South Carolina.

    Barack, I didn’t do it for this.

    Barack, I gave hundreds to the Black Panthers for their children’s breakfast program when I was 25 and a young screenwriter in Echo Park, Los Angeles, even though I knew Huey was crazy and was worried my money might have been going for guns, even though I had my own children in the house when the Panthers came over, their jackets bulging.

    Barack, I made excuses for the Black Power Movement even though I knew it was turning racist.

    Barack, I didn’t do it for this.

    Barack, your speech was bullshit.

    Barack, this isn’t about generations.

    Barack, this isn’t about the black church.

    Barack, this is about a pathological minister whose uncontrolled anger wounds his own people and keeps them down.

    Barack, this is about a man who ignored that rage for his own political gain and even now won’t admit a huge mistake and looks for nuance and excuses.

    Barack, this about a woman who went on scholarship to Princeton and Harvard and still hates America.

    Barack, you say you want Black-Jewish reconciliation but you hung with an anti-Semite.

    Barack, I didn’t do it for this.

    Roger L. Simon is an Academy Award-nominated screenwriter, novelist and blogger, and the CEO of Pajamas Media.

    pajamasmedia.com/2008/03/barack_i_didnt_do_it_for_this.php

  252. 1 more:

    Independent Ben!!!!!!!! Talk about PLAGARIZING! Talk about JUST WORDS. (just so long as they’re not his!!!!!!)

    This is a scandal!!!!! Are you getting on it? Tomorrow I’m gonna send it around. Did you contact Administration??????

  253. Paddy…well said. I am open to ideas.

    Ben…LONG speech

    gonna copy to word and do a word search

    brb

  254. If this plagerism is true, maybe Obama will use the same excuse he used the last time he plagerized, that he’s best buds with Bill.

  255. Look!

    http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/18/what-weve-noticed-about-the-speech/

    President WIlliam Clinton: farewell speech:

    “Third, we must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colors into the fabric of one America. As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences, in our hearts and in our laws. We must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, and regardless of when they arrived in our country–always moving toward the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams. ”

    Today’s Senator Barack Obama’s speech:

    [W]e must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colors into the fabric of one America. As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences, in our hearts and in our laws. We must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, and regardless of when they arrived in our country–always moving toward the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams.

  256. Look!

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/18/what-weve-noticed-about-the-speech/

    President WIlliam Clinton: farewell speech:

    “Third, we must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colors into the fabric of one America. As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences, in our hearts and in our laws. We must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, and regardless of when they arrived in our country–always moving toward the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams. ”

    Today’s Senator Barack Obama’s speech:

    [W]e must remember that America cannot lead in the world unless here at home we weave the threads of our coat of many colors into the fabric of one America. As we become ever more diverse, we must work harder to unite around our common values and our common humanity. We must work harder to overcome our differences, in our hearts and in our laws. We must treat all our people with fairness and dignity, regardless of their race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, and regardless of when they arrived in our country–always moving toward the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams.

  257. i think I found the culprit Ben….

    it’s not a big deal if it’s what I think

    in the blog, the last line in the posr “the more perfect Union of our Founders’ dreams.” is from Bills speech, and is used in Obama’s, is in BOLD FACE…

    i think that this is the oNLY thing that they think is the same

    “Then there’s that the line is borrowed from Bill Clinton’s 2000 farewell address:”

  258. Can’t Michigan voters sue Barack Obama? He took his name off the ballot and now he is refusing to agree to a revote ..

  259. Can’t Michigan voters who voted for Hillary go to court and demand they be given a chance for another vote and if freaking Obama doesn’t want to on the ballot then thats fine. He should be the SOLE arbitrator of the vote getting counting.

    There has to be a legal solution to this. Maybe that is why Hillary is in Michigan?

  260. hey guys… take a look at this please….

    http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1993/07/levine.html

    read what bill said and pay attention to his tone. compare to the obama’s speech today.

    obama’s speechwriter took the exact concept and tone of what bill said and just rephrased it… then even had the gall to take (as just said) part of bill’s farewell speech and plagiarize it…

    can this guy get any more arrogant??? if you guys are emailing, please include this… i’ll be busy sending it out myself, but wanted to make sure you guys had the link.

  261. y’all go read the blog….in a word search with MS Word, I cannot locate ANYTHING like the poster claims. Their post is misleading in the way it is constructed, and probably incorrect (a lie) in the line they highlite in BF

    too bad. This would have been GREAT to get out there!

    Too bad it is SO EASY to believe Bambi steals words too. What a shame. A president (?) we don;t even trust before he gets the office.

    Scroll down a bit

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/18/what-weve-noticed-about-the-speech/

  262. If you had any doubts….here’s your proof Dean is squarely in the Obama camp!

    This is a Howard Dean founded organization, http://www.democracyforamerica.com/
    just browse through the site, and the blogs it heavily favors Mr. O, also note the petition they have about the super delegates. Gawd they must think people are stupid.

    I actually joined this group a long while ago (before BHO) because of the good training academy for organizers, however, I have not participated with them for quite some time now.
    After looking at them today, they have just joined my ignore list.

    I am really getting depressed over stuff like this.

    This just brings up a question I’d like to ask. How and when did all these once fair, progressive organizations turn to $hit?? Is there really a hidden prescription drug problem in these peoples water??

    Really, there must be some clear sane analytical reason to it. Right?

    or do I need some of their water?

  263. politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/18/clinton-will-visit-michigan-to-press-for-re-vote/

    Obama is leaving UP TO THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS (Michigan’s congress is mainly republicans, knowing that this is likely not going to happen, hypcrite!) He’s going at all costs to avoid Florida and Michigan

  264. @space.. i cant find it on drudge either..but read what bill said in the link i posted… they stole his whole concept even laid it out the same

  265. divabunny, it is just a small part ‘the more perfect union of our founders’ dreams.’ There is nothing that raises to the level of plagiarism here.

  266. this is the quote from the mjones article:

    Clinton even struck a number of the therapeutic chords of the afternoon talk show in exactly the right confessional tone. “My mother was a widow when I was born. My father died in a car accident. I was raised till I was four by my grandparents,” he said by way of biographical introduction. If he had only added that his stepfather was an alcoholic, his brother a drug addict, and he himself an adulterer, the list would have made a pretty typical lineup on any talk show in the nation.

    Above all, Clinton reached out to the rest of us in what I’ve come to think of, even on “Donahue,” as Oprahland, a place populated by victims of one darn thing or another. “People are hurting all over this country,” he said, as he would over and over during the campaign. “You can see the pain in their faces, the hurt in their voices.” You could plainly see the pain in his face (especially since he bit his lower lip in an empathetic gesture before making the pronouncement) and hear the hurt in his overworked voice. Clinton was successfully presenting his own brand of self-help politics on television’s longest-running self-help show, merging the public realm with the private, citizenship with co-dependency. When the hour was over and Clinton leaned across the table to shake Brown’s hand, no one would have been surprised if he had thanked his opponent for being on the show and expressed the hope that he come back real soon

  267. I think DFA is also hooked up with Axelrod’s consulting firm, and the emaiil lists and net search engines and tracking tools

  268. Admin: you said it so much better than I ever could:

    “In either case Americans do not need a lesson on race from Obama – Americans, including superdelegates require an explanation or resignation from church and Senate by Obama”

  269. Checking in, Hillfriends: I just got home from work, made dinner for hubby and me (actually, picked up Thai food), donated to Hill then made some calls. Just read up the thread and saw the Philly news poll -the trolls have got there – go vote some more! Should we post this on the Hillary site?

    http://www.philly.com/dailynews/

  270. MtDora…so, we will have another President who doesn’t want the votes to count of over 2 million Americans.

    And I could have Bitch slapped Pelosi the other day. She was SOOOOO Snotty in her remarks about “Well…we all know what happens when you have more pledge delegates. Guess what? That persona is the nominee”

    ne ner ne ner ne ner

    she was just HORRIBLE in her contempt for Hillary AND for the voters

  271. @space: my point is that abc news is reporting that he stayed up until 2am writing his speech, when in fact he looked to one of bills more important moments in a debate when everyone knows that is the moment when people knew bill would be president. obama took the concept of bill’s answer to that question in a debate and mirrored the concept and the tone for his speech today.

    it speaks to his arrogance. of all people to steal from… bill clinton??? he makes me sick!

  272. SpaceGirl: I just logged in and tried to do – can’t even see the window to write in – it’s filled with “terms of service.” I’ll try again –

  273. MJ…BC is sharp. He will probably thank Obama for using his speech title

    someone on Blog said it was a JJ Jr book title too

    I can’t put all the pieces together tonight

  274. sorry about the false alarm. I took it right off of Larry Johnson’s blog. I guess he got it wrong, which kind of surprises me.

  275. can you believe wright is being given the “black church leader” award by the brite divinity school at tcu???

    give me a break!

  276. Ben, that is fine. BBut we need to check first. Otherwise it might hurt Hillary. There still may be a there there, but i am too tired tonight to investigate.

    I am sure there are other things that we can do!

    DONATE! CALL! WRITE!

  277. Space: my understanding from some of the DFA folks around here is that they are the former “Deaniacs.” And that Howard Dean’s dreams – and his lists built through his campaign and subsequently MoveOn – were more or less bequeathed to BHO along with the full faith and credit of the DNC. Gee, excellent judgment there, Gov. Dean. Win or lose, he will probably have to step down for alienating half the Party.

    I still have faith that Hillary will be 44. But, win or lose, it’s time for the National Woman’s Party. The Democrats are taking women for granted. I floated that one a little earlier – again, who’s with us?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Woman’s_Party

    By the way, is anyone planning to try to get tickets for Hill’s concert with Elton John in NYC? Now, that would be fun!

  278. Sorry, couldn’t post on the Hillary site – seems to be out of order – or (more likely my) operator error! The Philly poll still needs some Hillfriendly traffic.

  279. Informed…I was aware of that. The netroots goes farther than you can imagine, but that is being addressed by smarter folks than I. The fix was in from “day one”

    I would LOVE to go to NYC to see Elton, but the cash will not arrive here before the tix go on sale :-(…maybe it is comes in time, I will just go!

  280. Are any of the so-called reporters going to note this guy contradicted himself between the interviews and the speech? Or that there is no excuse to stay with a pastor, white, blakc , brown, yellow, whatever, who basically spews anti-americans, anti-semitsm and and racist rhetoric? Or, how about that BO has used that same rhetoric, talking about bamboozling, hoke doke, and hoodwinked to aa audiences? hello? Isn’t there huge questions about judgement and character here?

  281. ok kids…i’m off to bond with a sulking golden retriever!

    y’all keep up the good fight

    diva, mj, wobbei, informed, meiyingsu, MtDora, etc

    you guys rock!

    xo to all

  282. You rock, too SpaceGirl!

    mj, yes, huge hoodwinking. Shameful bamboozling. Much hokey-doke. Tomorrow, we mail, mail, mail!

    Kentucky, thanks for posting the link to Hillary with Jim Cramer on Mad Money – it’s a good thing to see before you turn in.

    Hillary Rocks! See you tomorrow, all.

  283. I wouldn’t worry that Mr. O’s grandma’s feeling got hurt, for him throwing her under the bus in his speech.
    He probably called her ahead of time and told her not to pay attention to it, that it was only political rhetoric.

  284. I’m curious. Where are statements from journalists of good conscience demanding that Obama step down? Many were certainly calling for Hillary to step down, even before the vote in OH/TX.

  285. Ben, I am not worried about that. I’m just wondering what kind of educated, successful person goes to a church like that? What kind of guy who wants to run for President runs around touting his relgiousity, when it is entirely grounded in a pastor woth major issues?

  286. debbie Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    I wouldn’t worry that Mr. O’s grandma’s feeling got hurt, for him throwing her under the bus in his speech.
    He probably called her ahead of time and told her not to pay attention to it, that it was only political rhetoric.

    ROFL, ROFL Too funny.

  287. here’s one source re: Colin Powell and Jeremiah Wright at the same convention in which Colin Powell walked out:joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2008/03/more-jeremiah-wright-on-israel-and.html

    Here’s what then Secretary of State Colin Powell had to say about it:

    “Today I have instructed our representatives at the World Conference Against Racism to return home. I have taken this decision with regret, because of the importance of the international fight against racism and the contribution that the Conference could have made to it. But, following discussions today by our team in Durban and others who are working for a successful conference, I am convinced that will not be possible. I know that you do not combat racism by conferences that produce declarations containing hateful language, some of which is a throwback to the days of “Zionism equals racism;” or supports the idea that we have made too much of the Holocaust; or suggests that apartheid exists in Israel; or that singles out only one country in the world–Israel–for censure and abuse”

  288. did Geraldine Ferraro do this..???

    (from Obama’s speech)

    “On one end of the spectrum, we’ve heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it’s based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. “…

    WHAT????

  289. From a NYT oped that will appear tomorrow.

    In interviews, Democratic and Republican strategists, scholars, and voters all agreed that Mr. Obama had given a brave, incisive speech about one of the topics most difficult to address in American life. But nearly all of them expressed doubt that his address will fully put to rest the firestorm over Mr. Wright’s statements.

  290. John Edwards is on Jay Leno this Thursday…. what do you guys think are the chances that he’ll endorse Hill?

  291. Love how He so graciously outed his *white* Grandmother as a closet racist – he touts his white heritage when it is politically valuable, but otherwise refers to Himself as AA.

  292. I totally agree with the following comment from TM,

    The most powerful stimulus for getting people to have a more negative viewpoint of Obama is to actually watch and listen to those Wright clips, so forward those video clips to everyone you know.
    Joe | 03.19.2008 – 00:07 am | #

  293. Wagner: Comparing his grandmother’s prejudices, stereotypes, and fears are not even the least bit comparable to Wrights inflammatory rhetoric. He could have used a different example.

  294. divabunny – glad to see you back on Big Pink! I know I’m kind of new here but I always enjoy your posts!

  295. so whenever the DNC or the media want to call for hillary to drop out, send them the “God Damn America” vedio clip.

  296. @monkey: thank you! good to see you too! 😉

    @mei: i also think the “riding dirty” clip with him doing sexual gyrations on the altar is extermely disturbing. there are children sitting in those pews!!! can you imagine taking your kid to church and then on the way home have to explain what “riding dirty” means???

    ugh! that is just foul!

  297. This is exactly what it’s about, obama:

    “On one end of the spectrum, we’ve heard the implication that my candidacy is somehow an exercise in affirmative action; that it’s based solely on the desire of wide-eyed liberals to purchase racial reconciliation on the cheap. “…

  298. Rev. Wright called Mr.O on several occasions just before he was to deliver some radical sermons and told Mr. O, please whatever you hear from my sermons…do pay attention to it..it’s just political rhetoric.

    I guess we can understand why, now, this is something that works well for the BHO campaign

  299. Ann, brave and incisive? I don’t understand how they see that. He admitted he’s heard controversial things from the pew – probably because he knew he was going to be outed; he took no responsibility for his own horrendous judgment in this affair; he made excuse after excuse for his racist, hate-mongering pastor.

    For 20 years at that church, he lacked the courage to stand up to the blatant hate and racism coming from Wright – and then he dares stand there and say he is the leader who can bridge this nation’s racial divide.

  300. Just curious Mrs. O, are still proud of your country?

    Is it the first time in your adult life you’ve noticed the reverse racism from your own community???

    Is it the first time in your well off entitled adult life that you notice people are outraged at the impostor you know Barack.

    Are you still proud Mrs. O ???

  301. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    March 18th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
    Congressmen Murtha is from PA, he’s very anti-iraq war, but endorsed Hillary! That’s BIG!
    ———————————————
    It is bigger than you think. He is one of Pelosi’s trusted lieutenants. In fact, he was her personal choice for majority leader, but Stenny Hoyer got it instead. I have always liked Murtha because he is an ex marine. Now he has come out for Hillary. SEMPER FI.

  302. Independent Ben
    For 20 years at that church, he lacked the courage to stand up to the blatant hate and racism coming from Wright – and then he dares stand there and say he is the leader who can bridge this nation’s racial divide.

    WELL SAID!!!

  303. “Wagner: Comparing his grandmother’s prejudices, stereotypes, and fears are not even the least bit comparable to Wrights inflammatory rhetoric. He could have used a different example.”

    Yeah, and we don’t even know whether he’s telling the truth, either. He tends to lie about a lot of things, here’s an article where people who grew up with him contend a lot of his “memoir” is not reallu true, either. http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/article/32252/barack-obamas-youth-shaped-by-different-worlds

    He also could have just said, “I experienced racism from my family” or “people close to me” to make the exact same point, not, yes it was Granny, her name and where she lives are widely available, I hope the same supporters who threatened John lewis leave her alone now. So wrong. It’s not like his grandmother gets a rebuttal about how she never said that, she said it but she realized it was wrong and apologized, or whatever. Putting an old sick woman into the spotlight involuntarily like that really sucks, and is exploitative. Reporters are going to be on her, crazy bots may be on her, her neighbors are going to look at her funny, all because her grandson felt the need to call her out in a self serving, unecessary and for all we know untruthful way.
    Who DOES something like that any never even thinks if there might be consequences for his own damn grandmother????

  304. Well, I should not have said that, but I do think liberals are trying to assuage guilt by electing someone not yet up to the job.

  305. I just had a laugh watching Greta. An AA minister saying that talking about Rev. Wrignt will not help get someone into college, it will not help getting health care for everyone. YES IT WILL HELP! IT WILL HELP ELECT HILLARY 44!

  306. Watching CNN and Campbell Brown – and SNL is totally right about her – she’s been diagnosed with Obamamania…

    Gergen, Roland Martin, Bay Buchanan – are on as well.

    They’re praising BO’s courage and bravery – Gergen saying it’s the best speech of the campaign season. Are they GRADING A SPEECH? Idiots. Even Bay Buchanan saying he’s so brave to not disown Wright. AARGH. Oh, and tomorrow Anderson Cooper on the campaign trail, no doubt to kiss BO’s ass.

    What about the qualities that make a President – Judgment (BO does not have it); Honesty (nope); Consistency (Will the real Obama please stand up?). Unbelievable.

    Has CNN EVER done a retrospective on the Clintons or Ferraro’s work on civil rights, on their entire body of work to end any kind of discrimination? These guys are such hypocrites. I know, I’m not supposed to watch CNN, but we cannot all get too sucked into Fox even if they make sense, CNN still has potent influence.

  307. monkeybusiness,

    James Carville and Mary Matalin are on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno tonight

    And Jay asked her – who would you Republicans rather run against ? Matalin said Hillary would be MUCH TOUGHER to run against. She also said she thinks Clinton WILL be the nominee. Matalin added that she learned never to count the Clintons out because “they kicked my ass on several occasions.

  308. I just posted at h t t p : / / firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/18/780783.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

    No registration and it was easy to post, but dunno if it will pass the moderator.

    Hillary has been consistent on both MI and FL primaries: the Jan votes should count, but if the DNC will not count them, then do a re-vote. One way or another, listen to the voters.

    Obama has been trying to keep the voters’ voices from counting all along. He withdrew his own name from the MI ballot, then went in to campaign for “Uncommitted”, so as to discredit the election; he whined for a re-vote, now is sabotaging efforts to give him one, trying to run the clock out. In FL HE is the one who called it a ‘beauty contest’ and told people not to vote — then he said it shouldn’t count because people were told not to vote! Hillary wants votes and votes counteed: Obama is acting like Bush in 2000.

  309. No kidding, MJ. And the Gergen says, this show how BO is a leader.

    Do they have kool-aid in the water coolers at CNN? Are they kidding – a guy who only admits the truth when he’s got his back against the wall; who has lacks the kind of a judgment a President needs. Unbelievable. Newt Gingrich makes more sense.

  310. Today, Hillary and Barack both had something to say on the subject of discrimination. The differnences were striking in a number of respects

    First, Hillary spoke about race and gender discrimination whereas Barack spoke only about race discrimination.

    Second, Hillary spoke voluntarily whereas Barack spoke in an effort to do damage control for the racist remarks of his 20 year spiritual advisor.

    Third, Hillary has been the target of intense gender discrimination by msnbc and right wing media, whereas Obama has led a life of privilege and has no experience with race discrimination.

    Given these differences Hillary is far more qualified than Barack to establish a national dialogue on race and purse it to a successful conclusion when the time is right.

  311. Debbie: again you are right. Once a marine always a marine. Please dont tell anyone. I will never live that one down.

  312. Also I posted at h t t p : / / firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/18/780832.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

    One thing clear from the WRight scandal, is that Obama is not vetted and not ready for prime time. He knew there was a problem with Wright but stayed in that church for 20 years. He didn’t even bother to have his people check Wright’s videos that were on sale at the church’s website! Fox simply bought them and so did other media.

    Obama wasn’t prepared for the tapes to be played on tv: he had no answer ready. He panicked, went on live tv and stumbled around, told dumb lies about not having been in church to hear them, about his church being “not particularly controversial” … made it a puzzle and treasure hunt for reporters to find him in the audience on the tapes…. And now finally he reverses himself and says he did hear such things. And he’s repeated his closeness with Wright, ‘spiritual advisor.’

    Now when he has time to get his speechwriter to write him a speech and has a teleprompter to read it from — he throws his white grandmother under the bus for being scared of rough young men on the street. As though her fear were the equivalent of what Wright preaches! If she’d heard Wright, she’d be MORE scared!

    If he has any hope left for the future, he’d better drop out of the race now and go hide in Indonesia and hope this is forgotten by 2016.

  313. Ininla: Gergen and the other trained seals get a sardine snack every time they say something nice about Bambi because they are pursuing the corporate agenda, “arf.”

    So let me get this straight. Barack has a 20 year relationship with a racist sky pilot, puts him on his campaign, gets caught red handed, delivers a cya speech and Gergen says this proves he is a leader? I say “(b)arf!”

  314. More fallout from BHO’s clunker of a speech today… from the Washington Post:
    ———-
    A Speech That Fell Short

    By Michael Gerson
    Wednesday, March 19, 2008; A15

    Barack Obama has run a campaign based on a simple premise: that words of unity and hope matter to America. Now he has been forced by his charismatic, angry pastor to argue that words of hatred and division don’t really matter as much as we thought.

    Obama’s speech in Philadelphia yesterday made this argument as well as it could be made. He condemned the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s views in strong language — and embraced Wright as a wayward member of the family. He made Wright and his congregation a symbol of both the nobility and “shocking ignorance” of the African American experience — and presented himself as a leader who transcends that conflicted legacy. The speech recognized the historical reasons for black anger — and argued that the best response to those grievances is the adoption of Obama’s own social and economic agenda.

    It was one of the finest political performances under pressure since John F. Kennedy at the Greater Houston Ministerial Association in 1960. It also fell short in significant ways.

    The problem with Obama’s argument is that Wright is not a symbol of the strengths and weaknesses of African Americans. He is a political extremist, holding views that are shocking to many Americans who wonder how any presidential candidate could be so closely associated with an adviser who refers to the “U.S. of KKK-A” and urges God to “damn” our country.

    Obama’s excellent and important speech on race in America did little to address his strange tolerance for the anti-Americanism of his spiritual mentor.

    Take an issue that Obama did not specifically confront yesterday. In a 2003 sermon, Wright claimed, “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.”

    This accusation does not make Wright, as Obama would have it, an “occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy.” It makes Wright a dangerous man. He has casually accused America of one of the most monstrous crimes in history, perpetrated by a conspiracy of medical Mengeles. If Wright believes what he said, he should urge the overthrow of the U.S. government, which he views as guilty of unspeakable evil. If I believed Wright were correct, I would join him in that cause.

    But Wright’s accusation is batty, reflecting a sputtering, incoherent hatred for America. And his pastoral teaching may put lives at risk because the virus that causes AIDS spreads more readily in an atmosphere of denial, quack science and conspiracy theories.

    Obama’s speech implied that these toxic views are somehow parallel to the stereotyping of black men by Obama’s grandmother, which Obama said made him “cringe” — both are the foibles of family. But while Grandma may have had some issues to work through, Wright is accusing the American government of trying to kill every member of a race. There is a difference.

    Yet didn’t George Bush and other Republican politicians accept the support of Jerry Falwell, who spouted hate of his own? Yes, but they didn’t financially support his ministry and sit directly under his teaching for decades.

    The better analogy is this: What if a Republican presidential candidate spent years in the pew of a theonomist church — a fanatical fragment of Protestantism that teaches the modern political validity of ancient Hebrew law? What if the church’s pastor attacked the U.S. government as illegitimate and accepted the stoning of homosexuals and recalcitrant children as appropriate legal penalties (which some theonomists see as biblical requirements)? Surely we would conclude, at the very least, that the candidate attending this church lacked judgment and that his donations were subsidizing hatred. And we would be right.

    In Philadelphia, Obama attempted to explain Wright’s anger as typical of the civil rights generation, with its “memories of humiliation and doubt and fear.” But Wright has the opposite problem: He ignored the message of Martin Luther King Jr. and introduced a new generation to the politics of hatred.

    King drew a different lesson from the oppression he experienced: “I’ve seen too much hate to want to hate myself; hate is too great a burden to bear. I’ve seen it on the faces of too many sheriffs of the South. . . . Hate distorts the personality. . . . The man who hates can’t think straight; the man who hates can’t reason right; the man who hates can’t see right; the man who hates can’t walk right.”

    Barack Obama is not a man who hates — but he chose to walk with a man who does.

  315. Can we get an audio expert to examine all of Obama’s speeches for subliminal messages? All these Obamatrons have to be under the influence of something.

  316. I think they (Gergen, etc.) are giving BO praises because either A) they’re totally in the tank for BO, B) they don’t want to come off as “racist”, god, forbid, for criticizing BO, and/or C) they all know that there are more tapes about to come out and it’s the calm before the STORM!

  317. @rjk: they are given “fool aid” when they enter the building… making it impossible to discern clear rational thought patterns.

  318. was Rev. Wright’s church the recipient of the fundraising by Rezko that Mr. O donated to “charity”?

  319. I swear there has to be some audio signal going out that we must be immune to. Some of these pundits who I for years have thought of as level headed are just fawning over these guy.

  320. This is depressing. Could this poll be accurate? I just can’t accept those numbers.

    From Pollster.com:

    National 3/16 through 3/17

    Among likely voters who have heard about Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s statements, 65% say the statements have not affected their opinions about Sen. Barack Obama, 30% say the statements made them feel “less favorable” to Obama, and 2% say “more favorable.”

    Among Democrats, 76% say the statements have made no difference, 15% say less favorable, 2% say more favorable.

    Among Independents, 61% say no difference, 36% say less favorable, 2% say more favorable.

    “Overall, unfavorable views of Obama are up somewhat from February. His favorable ratings remain largely unchanged at 44 percent, but there has been some movement from undecided views to unfavorable views, from 23 percent in February to 30 percent now.”

    “Independent voters – a group Obama has successfully courted in many primaries and would try to draw in the general election – still view him favorably, about the same as last month. Unfavorable views have risen among Republicans.”

  321. Remember, Gergen is a Republican. He is a very shrewd Republican, and he has carefully cultivated a bipartisan image for himself, and he seasons his criticisms with spoons-ful of sugar, so that he can appear reasonable. But let there be no doubt: he may be able to fool Anderson Cooper, but he is clearly out to get Hillary. We may all know it, but I don’t think the rest of the media-lemmings do.

  322. admin,

    this is the list i have been disseminating today. i am happy to see you too are discussing the contradictions in obama’s recent statements.

    we also know that obama admitted witnessing controversial sermons of wright during the philadelphia speech today. (18 March)

    thepage.time.com/full-text-of-obamas-remarks-on-race/

    Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.

    this conflicts with his huffington post essay. (14 March)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

    The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.

    this conflicts with statements he made to anderson cooper on cnn. (14 March)

    transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/14/acd.01.html

    OBAMA: And, as I said, Anderson, if I had heard any of those statements, I probably would have walked up, and I probably would have told Reverend Wright that they were wrong.

    But they were not statements that I heard when I was in church.

    COOPER: So, no one in the church ever said to you, man, last week, you missed this sermon; Reverend Wright said this; or…

    OBAMA: No.

    this conflicts with statements he made to the chicago sun-times. (16 March)

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/844447,CST-NWS-wright15.article

    Obama said he had never heard Wright preach any of those sermons.

    “If I had heard Rev. Wright making these statements when I was in the pews,” Obama said, “I would have talked to him afterwards and said, ‘I am very troubled by these statements.’ “

  323. pulchritude,

    Yeah, he pretty much admitted that he lied to the nation with his statements this past Friday night. Why MSM continues to wet their pants over his speech, I’ll never know.

    And oh, equating his poor grandma with Wright was classy.

  324. To me, here’s the major problem with the speech.
    If Obama, attending that church for 20 years, doesn’t have the courage to confront his racist, hate-mongering pastor —

    How can he stand up there and claim to be the unique leader who can bridge this nation’s racial divide?

  325. 1950democrat@1:31: excellent summary. Very true, very hard hitting, very likely to make the hitler juegen even battier than they are now. Great posting.

  326. Those poll numbers I posted are from CBS. I’m choosing to disregard them. I can’t believe that 65% nationwide say that the Wright story doesn’t change their opinion of Obama.

  327. and obama visits my city tomorrow. do you understand how upsetting this is? and a group of environmentalists will hold a fundraiser for him tomorrow. here is my gift to obama and his supporters who are bent on DESTROYING the environment:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/18/true-environmentalists-do-not-raise-money-for-obama-d-exelon-true-environmentalists-support-clinton/

  328. Berkeley, I didn’t know that about Gergen either. Just knowing he worked in the Clinton administration made me assume he was Dem and pro-Clinton.

  329. lninla Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    No kidding, MJ. And the Gergen says, this show how BO is a leader.

    Seriously. Leadership is something the man has never shown, at any point in his career. How can he lead on the race issue when he sits in that church for 20 years and does or says nothing?

  330. Well, so far – just about every article I’ve read on BO’s speech is NOT favorable. And not all of them are from conservative publications.

  331. From Rev. Wright…
    “The government lied about Pearl Harbor. They knew the Japanese were going to attack”

    well actually it is possibly true. The debate has been long about FDR advance notice according to some reports

    so I’ll deduct this one from Mr. Wright sins.

  332. oh, I’m having problems with my cable. Can see all the cable stations, but not the networks. Argh – really want to see Carville and Matalin on Leno…what a weirdly, wonderful love affair that is.

    Good line re: Clintons.

  333. I love anglachel’s blog – check out her red state / blue state hypotheticals in the various matchups Clinton vs McCain vs Obama. Under her construct, Obama will win all the states Kerry did plus NM, and lose the GE. Clinton will win all of BO states, plus expand on them, and win the GE.

    anglachelg.blogspot.com/

    and she has this fun tool to do your own electoral map

    270towin.com

  334. *all times Eastern

    Clinton schedule for Wednesday, March 19

    10:15 am
    Hillary Clinton hosts a “Solutions for America” event in Detroit, Michigan

    11:45 am
    Bill Clinton attends a “Solutions for America” event in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania

    1:15 pm
    Bill Clinton attends a “Solutions for America” event in Allentown, Pennsylvania

    2:00 pm
    Hillary Clinton attends a town hall meeting with voters in Charleston, West Virginia

    3:45 pm
    Bill Clinton attends a “Solutions for America” event in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania

    4:30 pm
    Hillary Clinton hosts a discussion with veterans in Huntington, West Virginia

    6:00 pm
    Bill Clinton attends a “Solutions for America” event in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania

  335. Admin’s post suggests a great ending for the 3 a.m. call: Obama picks it up and what he says is just the sound of his stammering lying on the Wright issue.

  336. wbboei Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 2:39 am

    1950democrat@1:31: excellent summary. Very true, very hard hitting, very likely to make the hitler juegen even battier than they are now. Great posting.

    Thanks. 🙂 Feel free to repost.

  337. Guys, Jehmu talked about being a victim of ObamaHate, let’s send her some love: jehmugreene@gmail.com

    While you’re at it, send some to Rep. Murtha, too.

    District Office
    647 Main St. Suite 401
    Johnstown, PA 15901
    P: (814) 535-2642
    F: (814) 539-6229
    Toll-free: (800) 289-2642

    Washington D.C. Office
    2423 Rayburn HOB
    Washington, DC, 20515
    P: (202) 225-2065
    F: (202) 225-5709

  338. Since Teddy got so mad at Hillary by saying it took LBJ to get the Civils Rights bill passed, I wonder what he thinks of Obama’s introduction Tuesday morning??

    In introducing the speech, Harris Wofford, the former senator from Pennsylvania, hinted at the historic weight that hung over the occasion. Wofford, a friend of Martin Luther King Jr.’s and a onetime adviser to President John F. Kennedy, recalled a White House conversation with King, after Kennedy had informed King that there would be no quick vote on the sweeping civil rights legislation pending. “Martin turned to me and said, ‘I had hoped we at long last had a president who had the intelligence to understand this problem and the political skill to solve it and the moral passion to see it through. I’m convinced … that he has got the intelligence and the skill. We’ll have to see if he has the passion’.”

  339. Do you still remember this:

    Video: Obama: 10,000 dead from tornado in Kansas, give or take 9,988posted at 11:04 am on May 9, 2007 by Ian
    “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed,” Obama told a crowd of 500 in Richmond on Tuesday.

    hotair.com/archives/2007/05/09/video-obama-10000-dead-from-tornado-in-kansas-give-or-take-9988/

  340. Clinton ‘very glad’ Obama addressed race
    By Larry Eichel

    Inquirer Senior Writer

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said yesterday that she was pleased that Sen. Barack Obama had spoken about race and politics, but would not say whether she thought Obama had sufficiently distanced himself from the remarks of his former pastor.
    Clinton’s remarks came at a news conference at Philadelphia City Hall during which she reiterated her commitment to begin the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq within 60 days of becoming president. Today is the fifth anniversary of the war.

    Stressing that she had neither heard nor read Obama’s speech, Clinton said she was “very glad” he had addressed the topic. She called the issues of race and gender “complicated” and noted that they had created “detours and pitfalls” in the Democratic presidential contest.

    “But we should remember that this is an historical moment for the Democratic Party and for our country,” she said. “We will be nominating the first African American or the first woman for president of the United States. That is something that all Americans can and should celebrate.”

    Later, Clinton was asked whether she thought Obama had done enough, before yesterday, to denounce some of the more inflammatory comments made by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

    “I think that question should be directed to him,” she said, meaning Obama.

    On the subject of Iraq, Clinton used the war’s fifth anniversary to remind voters of her intent to end it “as quickly and as responsibly as possible.”

    Her plan, in addition to initiating troop withdrawals within two months of taking office, calls for the United States to launch an intense diplomatic initiative intended to bring stability to the region.

    Clinton – who won the endorsement yesterday of Rep. John Murtha (D., Pa.), a critic of the war – discussed steps she has taken as a senator to force the Pentagon to start planning for withdrawal and to prevent President Bush from limiting the policy options of his successor.

    And, as she has for weeks, she sought to draw a contrast between herself and Obama, suggesting, without mentioning him by name, that he is all talk and that she embodies both talk and action.

    “In the end, the test is not the speeches a president delivers but whether a president delivers on the speeches,” she said. “And I will deliver. . . . My plans are not a ‘best-case scenario’ or a promise I do not intend to keep.”

    Obama has said he would begin troop withdrawals immediately on taking office and would complete them within 16 months, save for a small residual force.

    Several weeks ago, Samantha Power, then Obama’s top foreign-policy adviser, described that schedule as a “best-case scenario,” prompting the Clinton camp to raise questions about whether Obama meant what he said.

    Since then, Power has resigned from the Obama campaign, and the Illinois senator has repeated his commitment to a 16-month timetable.

    At the news conference, Clinton was joined by Mayor Nutter and two other supporters who were key figures in the national debate over the war: Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

    In 2003, Valerie Wilson saw her identity as an undercover CIA agent revealed in a newspaper column. The revelation came after the publication of a New York Times op-ed piece written by her husband that undercut part of the Bush administration’s rationale for the war.

    The leak of her identity led to the indictment and conviction of Vice President Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Joseph Wilson praised Clinton for her “considerable leadership” on Iraq; Valerie Wilson said the New York senator had been “so helpful to us in some very dark days.”

    On another matter, Clinton said she understood that the National Archives would release today the daily appointment schedules of her years as first lady. News organizations and the Obama campaign had been pressing for the information.

    Clinton concluded her day with a rally at the gymnasium at Millersville University in Lancaster County, attended by an overflow crowd of more than 2,000. With her were Gov. Rendell and Henry Cisneros, who was secretary of housing and urban development under President Bill Clinton.

    In talking about the need to invest in the nation’s infrastructure, the New York senator mentioned the temporary closing of part of Interstate 95 in Philadelphia, saying it was evidence of how America has neglected to make needed repairs to roads and bridges.

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_stories/20080319_Clinton_very_glad_Obama_addressed_race.html

  341. interesting post on Taylor Marsh comments:

    One little side note — military bases have lounges in most of the buildings. Each of the lounges has at least one tv and ALL stations are tuned to Fox (at least on the Navy Bases around here).

    So the video clips of Rev. Wright saying: “Gxd damx America” — has been running non stop. From what I understand just about every military personnel (Navy & Marines) has heard Rev. Wright says these words.

    I would expect that the Army bases and Air Force bases south of here also play Fox News in the lounges and most if not all of the military personnel and civilians on base have heard the nasty talk of Rev. Wright.

    So Obama — just forget about the military vote.

  342. Hey y’all

    Joe Scarborough is doing BHO, speech etc this morning, and he is really LAYING IT ON THE LINE about the impact of it. You know, that BHO still has a major Pastor problem.

  343. In his speech yesterday, Sen. Obama claimed to be uniquely qualified to unify and bridge our nation’s racial divide. These are links to Obama doing his Malcolm X imitation (hoodwink, bamboozle). He is obviously using the words of Malcolm X to get black voters fired up in these southern states.

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26889

    blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_says_clinton_is_tr.html

  344. Thanks for all the emails. They’re a hoot. Quite a campaign the Obamabots have going. But I submit that if the comments on this blog raise your blood pressure you’re probably too dainty for the web. Gary K asks if TM.com is “fostering hate,” then takes the time to cut and paste a whole bunch of comments into a contact form. Seriously? This is what you do with your spare time? TM.com is pretty tame compared to every single anti Hillary blog which spans the entire blogosphere. The readers here are also serious activists with a lot of passion. We’ve had many conversations about the comments and they know it’s their community to police. No blog owner can do it, believe me, and we shouldn’t try. But some of you Obama concern trolls obviously would do well to stick to the cooking channel, which I love, by the way. Learned a recipe for a terrific steak sandwich last Saturday on “The Ultimate.” Yes, I’m serious. Because political comment sections in the middle of the most heated political contest in modern primary history is likely not going to get less combative any time soon. You Obamabots obviously don’t have the stomach for a serious primary fight. You were more likely expecting Clinton to fall away at the wafting of words.

    I’ll let TM.com reader LM, Lt.Col. USMC (Ret.), say the rest. She does it so well. But then she’s a Marine, so of course she would:

    I would be willing to bet, from reading that sample you posted, that the e-mails are from, yes, trolls, or at least the Obama supporters you say are infiltrating. It sounds just like things they’ve been posting. For myself, I just skip the troll posts, and it bugs me that some people seem compelled to respond, but I have to say that I haven’t seen the hate and so on that the sample e-mail mentions, at least from our folks. There’s anger, yes, and forthright comments about Obama, and that’s fine as far as I’m concerned. I’m a lurker. … .. Discourse here is very adult, except for the trolls and an occasional outburst when someone just can’t stand the bias, lying, and cheating anymore. No problem with that. Just a POV from a Hillary supporting lurker, retired Marine, woman, and totally disgusted American. Don’t fall on your sword attempting to be fair to Obama. .. …. He doesn’t know the meaning of fairness and he doesn’t deserve any consideration. The people on your blog, except the trolls, are doing very well on their own and are being far more polite than he merits.

    You got to love Marines. They don’t mince any words. My big brother is a Marine. That’s one reason why I’ve always loved Rep. John Murtha. If you haven’t read it before, I did a big piece on the swiftboating of John Murtha for the Patriot Project back during 2004. He’s tough and smart. Oh, and Murtha has endorsed Clinton.

    “Her experience and careful consideration of these issues convinced me that she is best qualified to lead our nation and to bring credibility back to the White House,” Murtha said. He said he “whole-heartedly” recommends Clinton to all voters in his state.

    No one has led on getting out of Iraq more intensely than John Murtha. He wouldn’t endorse Clinton if he didn’t believe she was serious about redeployment and could do the job the right way.

    Anyway, Obamabot concern trolls are out in force. The Wright catastrophe has Obamabots in a panic. You know the drill. Don’t feed…

    FROM TAYLOR, SORRY IF ITS A REPEAT…

  345. skmf12 – heh, it’s a real jungle out there. Yeah, the more I read over that speech of is, the more it makes me think he is going to implode. We just got to hope it’s soon enough.

    The most important result of BHO’s speech – he’s still got a major Pastor problem, and I don’t think it can go away.

  346. 83% of Florida Democrats want their votes to count – and I think they have a good case. Many are threatening to sit out the Fall election.

    blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/03/by-adam-c-smith.html

  347. seems Candy Ass Crawley feel Barack’s speech wasn’t “all that”. Can’t gauge the “repair” the speech made.

    Wait till we see him setting in the pews nodding his head and clapping.

  348. Ya’ll don’t forget today is HUMP day…(ew, after hearing the GoodWright say that it seems dirty)

    Anyway, today is Wednesday and Hillary is just short of her goal for ads in Pennsylvania..if you can donate, if you can call, if you can email those we know to email.

    Good day all

  349. FYI….Was sending letters to the editor yesterday all over PA – before the speech – and got in an email exchange with an enditorial writer at the PA Post Gazette. Here is the exchange. Thought it ended a little oddly……if anyone wants to email him to reinforce that his nice speech about race didn’t address why he associated himself with an American-hater for 20 years let me know, I’ll give you his email address:

    Initial letter:

    As an American, the recent disclosures about Senator Obama’s pastor are deeply disturbing. I am outraged that someone who is seeking to lead our nation has long associated himself with someone who so clearly seethes with hatred for America and all for which she stands. It does not matter if Senator Obama was “in the pew” to hear any particular sermon, this is clearly a worldview, a philosophy, that Rev. Wright holds dear. It is inconceivable that Senator Obama was not aware of Rev. Wright’s views during a 20-year, deeply personal (by the Senator’s description) association. Frankly, any claim that is case insults my intelligence.

    This is highly relevant and deserving of coverage because a. who you associate with has a direct bearing on who you are and what you believe and b. I believe that he is being deeply disingenuous about his knowledge of Wright’s philosophy.

    As a democrat, I now believe Senator Obama to be unelectable in the General Election. Americans are nothing if not patriotic. Love of our country and a deep desire to keep it safe are a core tenet to what it means to be an American. We have seen time and again that Americans are willing to subjugate many other values in the name of Patriotism. Rev. Wright’s horrific accusations and damning of our country, fly directly in the face of that Patriotism. One can only imagine how the Republicans would use this in the Fall to once again paint the Democrats as overly-liberal, weak and America-hating. One can picture the ads now. They will be very, very ugly.

    He can’t brush this off as random comments from a surrogate because by his own admission Wright was his chosen minister, his “spiritual advisor,” his mentor for 20 years. A 20-year relationship with a hate-filled man whom he called his “spiritual mentor” says a lot about his beliefs, values and character.

    I simply don’t see how the democrats can have Senator Obama as their nominee when he has shown such questionable judgment and given the republicans such ammunition. If this goes on much longer, it will continue to damage not only Senator Obama but any democrat running in the fall. The nation’s response to this should be watched very, very carefully by the Democratic leadership.

    I have come to believe that should we nominate Senator Obama, we would be facing a defeat on par with McGovern losing by 49 States in 1972 or Carter (a sitting President) losing by 44 States in 1980 or Mondale losing by 49 States in 1984. This in a year when democrats were supposed to storm into the White House.

    His response:
    Thanks for your note. You may be right about being unelectable now. He’s making a speech today about this and we’ll see if he can limit the damage. I don’t know about judging people by their friends. I have no anti-American friends but plenty of rascals that are an affront to societal norms. I think everybody who has lived a full life knows and likes some of those.
    Best wishes,
    Reg

    My response:
    Thanks for the response. I understand your point about a “full life,” however, you and I aren’t running for President.

    His response:
    Hold off on the unelectable. That was one heck of a speech.

    My response:
    Doesn’t change core issue. Not about race relations. About America bashing. Not acceptable – from any race.

    His response:
    I bet you didn’t listen to the speech. He addressed that very well.

    My response:
    Watched it in its entirety. Well written and well delivered. Eloquent, no question. About what we have come to expect from Senator Obama.

    Adequate, I think not. The “he tears America down” because of past wrongs” feel flat for me as I think it will for all but the most liberal wing of the party. There are hunfreds of black-identified churches in the Chicago area including onces that don’t feel the need to build up the black community by tearing down America. This is about judgment and world view. How can someone who seeks to be our Commander in chief allow himself to be identified with such a cynical view of America? Wright wasn’t discussing race relations – he was accusing America of genocide of deserving 9/11 only 5 days after we lost 4,000 innocent people.

    This speech will not stop the Repub attack machine that will show the towers burning with Wright in the background damning America. It will also not stop the average American from picturing Wright officiating at the White House Christmas party and giving a shudder.

    Also, it concerns me that the only he can only communicate through a speech. Remembering his disaster of a press conference following the NAFTA scandal and his refusal to take questions on this from the reporter core, worries me about his ability to handle those situations well.

    Finally, he stated on the news shows on Friday night that “he wasn’t in the pews” during Wright’s more incendiary speeches implying that he didn’t know about Wright’s views. After that was polling as exceedingly uncredible, he admited to being in church when controversial statements were made. Sounds like a lie to me.

    My next response:
    If Senator Obama would like us to get beyond “racial tensions” why did he give his “bamboozle, hoodwink, okie-doke” speeches in SC and Mississippi to primarily black audiences? Those are raw, race-bating code words straight from a Malcolm X speech. Can’t have it both ways.

    His final response:
    Thank you but I don’t buy any of it. You make some good points but’ he’s a better person than Hillary (now there’s someone is who unelectable) and McClain combined.

  350. I honestly think the timing of Anderson Cooper going out on the campaign trail is highly suspicious and Obama-self serving.

    1/ He and CNN are most likely trying to get Obama’s campaign back to positives and not negatives.

    2/ With Obama copycatting Hillary’s speeches on Iraq and the Economy in the next few days, Cooper will probably spend much airtime on those speeches and the man himself and miniscule if any airtime on Hillary.

    Just my thoughts.

  351. Remember “…as Ohio goes so goes the Nation”
    All things summed up the conclusion is it is either Hillary Clinton or the Republicans.
    If Democrats want to emerge winners in the forthcoming general election, they must start working hard to get Hillary Clinton nominated.
    By Democrats I mean every Democrat including Barak Obama.

  352. Well Anderson wants to suck Obama’s dick too. Its a big party within MessiahNews and CorruptNews. American’s GET it. That speak didn’t cut it..people are still asking WHY .. WHY did he set in the set when Mr. Wright hustled Hillary .. yes, I really believe he will be caught IN THE PEW for that one. We will see what else comes out in the next few days.

    I rather suspect that the next shoe to drop won’t be dropped for a few more days…let the messiah get back on his pedestal and one more swoop and he’s toast.

  353. Good morning and thank you Hillfans. This one belongs to all of you who found this and it was passed on… and here’s the results. I believe Klein will be on Hannity tonight.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/rezkowatch-factchecker-klein-racists.html

  354. what really pisses me off is that Donna Brazil keeps saying “we will seat the delegates after we get a nominee” … how can you get delegates if the vote is discounted. Am I missing something here. Neither candidate can get 2025 .. Hillary can close in with big voter turnout and that is what we have to enforce in phonebanking. It’s imperative to have a high turnout for her in every remaining state.

  355. From today’s WSJ..

    While the speech was hailed by many Democrats, some conservative critics and others said the senator didn’t — and perhaps can’t — explain why he allied with a pastor of such views for two decades if he didn’t agree.

    “It wasn’t until he was forced to take a stand against Wright’s screed that he finally did,” Republican strategist Tony Fabrizio wrote in an email. “Why didn’t he denounce what he said when he said it? Why didn’t he distance himself then? What Wright said was no one-time slip of the tongue.”

  356. Update: Aaron Klein will be on Hannity’s radio show today. Hannity is going to make this into a big deal. He will also be on Michael Savage’s radio show today.

    He will be on Hannity tomorrow night.

    Watch for the NBPP link to disappear from Obama’s website. Story number two coming up!

    You did it, Hillfans. You made this happen.

  357. More….

    Analysts cautioned that the true impact of the Obama speech will be difficult to gauge until voters respond in the voting booths and in conversations at home and at work. Late last year, Republican candidate Mitt Romney gave a similar address to assuage voters’ concerns about his Mormon faith. It was generally well-received but conferred little apparent advantage to his candidacy. Mr. Romney dropped out of the race last month.

  358. JanH: I couldn’t believe it when I read that AC was on the campaign trailt with obama….and we will have to hear about it for a week too.

  359. B Merry – great article (as usual)! However, just a minor thing…partial is misspelled…. partical.

  360. Cooper and the rest have just been scooped. Watch everyone scramble now that Klein’s article is out. This is going to be fun to watch.

  361. Thanks, monkeybusiness. I wanted to get it posted as quickly as possible after I got the link.

  362. Morning all!!!
    media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2FiZTBkZjRmNDQ3NzAxNzllZTFjNzU0ZGRjMjZkYjU=

    For those of you who can…COPY AND SAVE WRIGHT/CHURCH VIDEOS

    Monday, March 17, 2008

    2008

    Why Are Reverend Wright Videos Disappearing from YouTube? [Greg Pollowitz]

    I had a really good post all ready to go. There was a video posted by the Trinity United Church of Christ, which I found on their YouTube page, of Louis Farrakhan being honored with the Jeremiah A. Wright Trumpeter award. It’s gone from YouTube. And there was a video of disgraced Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick receiving a similar award. It’s gone from YouTube, too.

    But the one I’m really mad about is the one of the church’s new pastor, Otis Moss III, talking about gangster rap and crack cocaine. They pulled that one, as well. Maybe it had something to do with his blaming gangster rap on suburban white kids and big corporate media. I didn’t really follow his logic, but somehow Ronald Reagan and AOL were involved and there’s a hint that the same people who created gangster rap also created crack cocaine.

    Although the video is gone, this blogger has a partial transcript:

    Moss, continuing on his historical review of hip-hop: “But then something happened in 1984 at the same time that Time Warner/AOL and SONY and MCA realized they could make money off of this music, guess what, we will give you a contract and distribute your song if you put in the N-word, if you put in the H-word, if you put in the B-word…so when we talk about gangsta rap, we are not talking about something that came from the street, we are talking about what came from the corporate boardrooms…

    “And the same time that gangsta rap rises, we also have crack hitting the streets…I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it’s mightily strange that gangsta rap and crack hit the same time in our community.”

    I guess I’m just cherry-picking, right?

    03/17 03:56 PM

  363. Spaceart, I don’t know that much about these videos. Is there a way we can save a copy of them?

  364. The Speech
    by Susan Estrich

    Wednesday, March 19, 2008

    It was an eloquent and powerful speech. But Barack Obama’s inspirational oratory left one fundamental question unanswered, at least for this white American — although judging by the reactions I’ve been hearing on local radio, for many others, as well.

    A pastor is not a relative. The thing with relatives is we don’t choose them. They just are.

    Pastors and places of worship don’t work that way. You choose where you go. You listen and decide. You’re not born into a church, or if you are, you’re free as an adult to choose a new location, if not a new faith

    If Barack Obama heard the anger in his pastor’s voice, why did he stay?

    If he didn’t hear the anger, was he not listening?

    If he was listening, why didn’t he speak up?

    The answer, I think, is that he did. Speaking up is what he is doing in running for president. Offering a different approach than his pastor to the injuries of race and class is what his campaign is actually about. But he has to make that connection. There’s still a step he needs to take.

    It is clear that this church and this pastor have played an important role in Barack Obama’s development as a black American. The son of a white mother, raised by white grandparents, the church clearly became a version of the black family he didn’t grow up in. The church, and his life inside it, is part of the answer to the question that used to be posed of whether he was black enough, an inartful way of asking whether he understood what it meant to be black, whether he understood the injuries of race.

    That is clearly why the church was so important to Obama that even now he views his pastor as the uncle with whom he might disagree, but would never disown.

    But if the church taught him about the pain and injuries of race, made clear what it was like to grow up on the wrong side of every line dividing privilege and access from poverty and denial, what it, and its minister, did not teach him was how to deal with those injuries. His minister’s response has been, as all the awful excerpts reveal, tinged with bitterness, anger and resentment. His minister has embraced the very victimization and demonization that Barack Obama, in his speech yesterday and in his campaign at its best, has denounced.

    The case for Barack Obama, and ultimately he has to be the one to make it, is that there is a different answer to the injuries of race than the one his pastor offered to their congregation. The answer is not to denounce America, but to embrace it, not to embrace victimization, but to denounce it.

    Barack Obama doesn’t want to denounce his pastor, his uncle, but in a way, he already has, both by running for president and by the way he has run. He just needs to say that loud and clear, and not because whites want him to, but because his failure to do so obscures a strength of his campaign for which he deserves credit.

    rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_commentary/commentary_by_susan_estrich/the_speech

  365. @Ann, you want to send clips of him actually doing his hoodwink/bamboozle thing in SC and MS? At the time they occurred, the media mostly cheered them – but they may take on a different meaning since Obama last nite declared himself the leader who wants to unify us and bridge our racial divide. He certainly wasn’t unifying in SC and MS.

  366. Ind Ben,
    Do you have clips? Someone should splice those videos alongside some snippets from his speech yesterday and send to all the pundits.

  367. What bothers me the most yesterday of obama’s speech is that he still did not have to answer reporters questions.

  368. Here’s a pretty brutal review of Obama’s speech by the Wash. Post

    A Speech That Fell Short
    By Michael Gerson

    WASHINGTON — Barack Obama has run a campaign based on a simple premise: that words of unity and hope matter to America. Now he has been forced by his charismatic, angry pastor to argue that words of hatred and division don’t really matter as much as we thought.

    Obama’s Philadelphia speech made this argument as well as it could be made. He condemned the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s views in strong language — and embraced Wright as a wayward member of the family. He made Wright and his congregation a symbol of both the nobility and “shocking ignorance” of the African-American experience — and presented himself as a leader who transcends that conflicted legacy. The speech recognized the historical reasons for black anger — and argued that the best response to those grievances is the adoption of Obama’s own social and economic agenda.

    It was one of the finest political performances under pressure since John F. Kennedy at the Greater Houston Ministerial Association in 1960. It also fell short in significant ways.

    The problem with Obama’s argument is that Wright is not a symbol of the strengths and weaknesses of the African-American community. He is a political extremist, holding views that are shocking to many Americans who wonder how any presidential candidate could be so closely associated with an adviser who refers to the “U.S. of KKK-A” and urges God to “damn” our country.

    Obama’s excellent and important speech on race in America did little to address his strange tolerance for the anti-Americanism of his spiritual mentor.

    Take an issue that Obama did not specifically confront in Philadelphia. In a 2003 sermon, Wright claimed, “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color.”

    This accusation does not make Wright, as Obama would have it, an “occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy.” It makes Wright a dangerous man. He has casually accused America of one of the most monstrous crimes in history, perpetrated by a conspiracy of medical Mengeles. If Wright believes his charge is correct, he should urge the overthrow of the American government, which he views as guilty of unspeakable evil. If I believed Wright were correct, I would join him in that cause.

    But Wright’s accusation is batty, reflecting a sputtering, incoherent hatred for America. And his pastoral teaching may put lives at risk, because the HIV virus spreads more readily in an atmosphere of denial, quack science and conspiracy theories.

    The Philadelphia speech implied that these toxic views are somehow parallel to the stereotyping of black men by Obama’s grandmother, which Obama said made him “cringe” — both are the foibles of family. But while Grandma may have had some issues to work through, Wright is accusing the American government of trying to kill every member of a race. There is a difference.

    But haven’t George Bush and other Republican politicians accepted the support of Jerry Falwell, who spouted hate of his own? Yes, but they didn’t financially support his ministry and sit directly under his teaching for decades.

    The better analogy is this: What if a Republican presidential candidate spent years in the pew of a theonomist church — a fanatical fragment of Protestantism that teaches the modern political validity of ancient Hebrew law? What if the church’s pastor attacked the American government as illegitimate and accepted the stoning of homosexuals and recalcitrant children as appropriate legal penalties (which some theonomists interpret as biblical requirements)? Surely we would conclude, at the very least, that the Republican candidate attending this church lacked judgment, and that his donations were subsidizing hatred. And we would be right.

    In Philadelphia, Obama attempted to explain Wright’s anger as typical of the civil rights generation, with its “memories of humiliation and doubt and fear.” But Wright’s problem is exactly the opposite: He ignored the message of Martin Luther King Jr. and introduced a new generation to the politics of hatred.

    King drew a different lesson from the oppression he experienced: “I’ve seen too much hate to want to hate myself; hate is too great a burden to bear. I’ve seen it on the faces of too many sheriffs of the South. … Hate distorts the personality. … The man who hates can’t think straight; the man who hates can’t reason right; the man who hates can’t see right; the man who hates can’t walk right.”

    Barack Obama is not a man who hates — but he chose to walk with a man who does.

  369. Sending those links to media does work. It may have taken awhile for someone to take notice but it looks like they did. Glad that somehow this NBPP mess made its way to someone who paid attention. Anything else like this shows up, don’t hesitate to pass it on to the media. This proves that your hard work paid off.

  370. Ben, I am not skilled at all things video.

    But i am skilled at sending this kind of stuff to the Corporate Poo-Bah’s at CNN! LOL (and about twenty other news places…including Hannity, Ingram and Rush)

    **************************
    thought you all would love to hear this…
    or, maybe not….

    thisgoesto11.blogspot.com/2008/03/barry-os-new-pastor-reagan-and.html

    Partial. Video Clips at link.

    Moss: “When we begin to examine the fact that 70 percent of all hip-hop is purchased by suburban youth, and the reason that they don’t mind the N-word, the B-word and the H-word is because it leads into the particular stereotype that the world has already created…

    “What we are talking about are people in corporate boardrooms who are making money off of this music, making money off of this pain and not giving a dime to our community…”

    Moss, continuing on his historical review of hip-hop: “But then something happened in 1984 at the same time that Time Warner/AOL and SONY and MCA realized they could make money off of this music, guess what, we will give you a contract and distribute your song if you put in the N-word, if you put in the H-word, if you put in the B-word…so when we talk about gangsta rap, we are not talking about something that came from the street, we are talking about what came from the corporate boardrooms…

    “And the same time that gangsta rap rises, we also have crack hitting the streets…I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it’s mightily strange that gangsta rap and crack hit the same time in our community.”

  371. Who can splice bamboozle speech with snippets from wright and snippets from yesterday into one video showing the hypocrisy?

  372. We really need to get some good bamboozle video IN CONTRAST to his BS on reconciliation. Also, although it might bring up stuff. The “costume” picture. We know the source and should show it. Clintn Denied it. OBAMA ACCEPTED THAT DENIAL AS TRUE. THEN HE USED IT IN MISSISSIPPI against her.

    Liar
    Bamboozler
    Hoodwinker

    OBAMA

  373. Ann, his DENIALS on ALL THREE NETWORKS TOO with his “Yes I was there” from yesterday need to be on it

    Liar
    Bamboozler
    Hoodwinker

    OBAMA

  374. @Space,
    yes….yes…..yes……and then sent out to EVERYONE. Who can do this? I would help pay for it if we can find a pro to do it. This could be really great and powerful. And….make sure that it doesn’t die in the interval b/w now and PA.

  375. i was just channel surfing. Does anyone here think Mika B on MSNBC is sounding a bit shell-shocked?

  376. @monkeybusiness.
    I don’t. I am youtube neophyte. I can watch, that’s about it. There was someone posting here a couple of weeks ago (geeklove, maybe?) who was doing videos. Maybe we could get him/her to do it. I think we can all picture what it would look like. We just need someone to get it done. Again, I could help pay for it if it costs anything.

  377. Glad you are feeling better. I am listening to Laura Ingraham…she is really not giving BO a pass on ANYTHING, and calling Olberman an idiot with a schoolgirl crush.

    Also, Hispanic callers are saying they are appalled at him throwing grannie under the bus.

    That is how it is being seen by all!

  378. I really need to get down to the studio and get a piece finished. I’ll be in and out here. I can’t listen to Bush on the war this morning, he just has this dooms-day speak I can’t handle right now.

  379. o, Hispanic callers are saying they are appalled at him throwing grannie under the bus.

    I think not only did it come across as ungrateful for some but also pandering for sympathy.

  380. well…I’m not going to get into a whole ‘nuther discussion about grannie. I said what I thought yesterday, but it appears that MANY think she got run over (and in ways I agree for political purposes) but it was pretty ungracious. Kind of like comparing Gerre Ferrero to Wright

  381. ok…. gotta run downstairs for a bit now

    I’ll be back

    BE SURE TO READ REZKOWATCH THIS MORNING!

    B Merry & WE managed to get it out there!

  382. Granny-Gate:

    And here’s another funny one I found somewhere:

    Grandma got run over by Obama
    Even though she raised him, he’s still pissed
    You could say there’s no such thing as race card
    But as for me and whitey were deceived.

  383. These are links to Obama doing his Malcolm X imitation (hoodwink, bamboozle). He is obviously using the words of Malcolm X to get black voters fired up in these southern states. I think they are kind of instructive as to how Obama has used race in this campaign, and would really resonate after his speech last nite – claiming to be the big racial unifier. I’ve already sent them a couple places. I think Scarborough and Hannity. Hannity might enjoy them.

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26889

    blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/03/sweet_obama_says_clinton_is_tr.html

  384. Ind Ben,
    Yes….he applies to black anger when that fits his purpose and white guilt when that fits his purpose. We need to show all this together in one video so it becomes as clear to everyone else as it is to us.

  385. Ind Ben,

    We also need to send the clips of the bamboozle speech to all the editorial writers/talking heads who are so extolling his speech. In national and local press.

  386. Ind Ben,
    Worry about sending links to media outlets. Not sure that they click on links – too many bad things can happen when you do eg viruses. Don’t you have to imbed the video in an email? If you do, does it get through spam filters?

    What is the best way to get a good video out to media outlets- anyone?

  387. Racists Endorse Obama on Candidate’s Website, Says Aaron Klein

    WASHINGTON, March 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Just as Sen. Barack
    Obama sought to distance himself from controversial racial remarks made by
    his pastor, an anti-American-government, anti-white and virally
    anti-Semitic black supremacist party has endorsed the presidential
    candidate on Obama’s own website.

    “Obama will stir the ‘Melting Pot’ into a better ‘Molten America,'”
    states an endorsement from the New Black Panther Party, or NBPP, which is a
    registered team member and blogger on Obama’s “MyObama” campaign website.

    The NBPP is a controversial black extremist party whose leaders are
    notorious for their racist statements and for leading anti-white activism.

    Malik Zulu Shabazz, NBPP national chairman, who has given scores of
    speeches condemning “white men” and Jews, confirmed his organization’s
    endorsement of Obama in an interview with WND today.

    “I think the way Obama responded to the attack on him and the attempt
    to sabotage his campaign shows true leadership and character. He had a
    chance to denounce his pastor and he didn’t fall for the bait. He stood up
    and addressed real issues of racial discord,” stated Shabazz.

    “I have nothing but respect for Obama and for his pastor,” said
    Shabazz, referring to Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor of nearly 20 years
    whose racially charged and anti-Israel remarks were widely circulated last
    week landing the presidential candidate in hot water.

    Shabazz’s NBPP’s official platform states “white man has kept us deaf,
    dumb and blind,” refers to the “white racist government of America,”
    demands black people be exempt from military service, and uses the word
    “Jew” repeatedly in quotation marks.

    The NBPP endorses Obama on its own page of the presidential candidate’s
    official site that allows registered users to post their own blogs.

    The group labels itself on Obama’s site as representing “Freedom,
    Justice, and Peace for all of Mankind.” It links to the official NBPP
    website, which contains what can be arguably referred to as hate material.

    While it appears anyone can initially sign up as a registered supporter
    on Obama’s site, it isn’t clear whether the campaign monitors the site or
    approves users. There is a link on each blog page for users to report any
    abusers, such as those who post controversial entries, to the
    administrator.

    Obama’s campaign did not return repeated phone calls seeking comment on
    Monday.

  388. @Ann, I agree with you, but I’m kind of video-ignorant. We need some training from someone who knows how to do it.

  389. This is a thing I put together that shows how Obama changed his story when he started talking last Friday. You take what he said on his HuffPo rant and compare it to the Fox interview with Garrett:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuZs4AdaP3U

    This is something I think people need to see. Here is a portion of Obama’s rant on HuffPo:

    “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.”

    Then watch his Fox interview with Major Garrett, posted above, at the point where Garrett questions Obama on the statements and the date in December 2007 when Obama announced Wright as part of his campaign.

    Under questioning by Garrett, Obama apparently realizes he needs to provide cover for adding Wright to the campaign, so he changes his story and states:

    “I-I didn’t know about all these statements. I knew about 1 or 2 statements that had been made. And as a consequence, as I said, if it was just a function of 1 or 2 statements, then that’s not something that would lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor . . . ”

    Methinks Obama has a consistency problem here.

  390. good morning everone,

    I felt yesterday as soon as I saw Obama’s speech comparing his grandma to JWright that this would backfire. That seems to be the case. Everyone is referring to that in their criticisms of his speech.

  391. I think Chris Matthews should have his “number” of the day be how many times Obambi said “hoodwink”, “bamboozle”, or “okie doke”.

  392. Oh, guess what BHO is doing today?

    A speech on Iraq – exactly two days after Hillary did one.

    He’s still copying Hillary

  393. @Ben,
    Me too (video ignorant) but I think this can have an impact – pretty words yesterday vs. words in SC/MS, didn’t know vs. did know. Has to happen fast if it is to have some impact. I am willing/able to fund this being put together by someone who knows how to do it.

  394. The big thing was that he didn’t throw the Reverend under the bus, and instead he explains Wright, makes excuses for him, and wants us to accept him. Geez.

  395. TPS, yeah I think that must be pretty obvious by now. Wright will not play well in mainstream America.

    But one thing that amazes me – there are ultra liberal Obama supporters who really don’t think that Wright is a big deal. They are just delusional.

  396. On the other hand

    If the speech helped Obama toward the nomination, JMart’s story today makes clear that Jeremiah Wright will still be there when and if he gets there, and that any GOP goodwill toward Obama (or was some of it tactical all along?) has basically evaporated.

    “For the first time, some Republicans are rethinking Hillary as their first choice,” said Alex Castellanos, a veteran media consultant who recently worked for Mitt Romney’s campaign.

    Also, from Newsday:

    ” ‘I think it’s an obligation of any opponent to use this issue, to make Reverend Wright a centerpiece of the campaign,’ said Rep. Peter King.

    By Ben Smith 09:06 AM

  397. So the sad fact is that all of these political and media pundits who are attached to Obama with idiot strings are basically telling us that none of his potentially-racist affiliations/beliefs/ backpeddling lies matter at all. That they are okay with Wright’s words, that they are okay with terrorist connections, that they are okay with Rezko/mob like leanings.

    Never before have I seen a more corrupt draining of media ethics.

  398. Speaking of Geraldine Ferarro, may I just say that I heart her? I really do. That is a woman with a backbone of steel. 🙂

  399. Well, JanH, things are kind of turning some with the media. I watched MSNBC this morning. Scarborough and Buchanan both said that he gave a great speech – HOWEVER, they both actually think it is over for him. You could even see the concern on guys like Chuck Todd and Tim Russert.

  400. Hill turned over her First Lady records, and the media is going over them. This will actually help her I think 🙂

  401. @Ben,
    If we can get someone to do it and have Bmerry get it out….could be powerful but needs to happen this week. I have the resources to fund but not the time/knowhow to do it.

  402. Independent Ben,

    I think that is great. I just hope it is a lasting turnaround and that even if some of them are finally seeing the light, I would like them to take a good look at themselves on television…a mea culpa for their part in making Obama “king-like” in the first place.

  403. Ben, the records have been cleansed (i.e. they have little blackouts where sensitive information exists). Beyond that, I suspect they will be fairly benign and show that Hillary was a very active first lady (beyond the “normal” first lady role) and was poetically involved and very savvy. No doubt, there will be something that the press locks onto, but I can’t imagine that it will be particularly damaging. It is in the best interest of the Hill campaign to have thoroughly reviewed these for answers to questions, and to make Hill available for any followup Q&A in a very free way.

  404. Sorry BEn, I was away from the computer

    listen to laura here

    h t t p only click on listen live

    news on now

    860wgul.townhall.com/

  405. Please read! For all those lauding the speech (or reading about practically everywhere), here is an opposite view with which I agree — my own view comes from not trusting the messenger(he does not at this point deserve my benefit of the doubt). If Obama had given his speech in the beginning of his campaign and not under duress now to save his political future, I would have been on board. If he had conducted his campaign avoiding all that race-baiting for political expediency, I would have praised his motivation for giving that speech.

    savagepolitics.com/

    Also follow to the next blog to see two videos.

  406. re Document Dump from the archives

    i saw a guy last night that said he had god nfo that these are BORING…there will be more, but 11000 pages will keep MO busy at home for a while, I am sure

  407. Yahoo headline:
    “Poll: Obama’s lead over Clinton all but evaporated”

    Normally, I would be first to point out that there are many polls that show each candidate leading, and selecting one that has Obama up shows a bias. However, the negative headline from a typically pro-Obama site is certainly a change, despite it’s source.

  408. “I said that dirty word again, Israel.” This was one of the many disparaging remarks Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright made about Israel. According to Wright, Israel is occupying Arab land and has no right to its existence. He eliminates the legitimacy of the Jewish state of Israel in one speech; then he compounds the injury by usurping the Jewish historical ties to the land.

  409. jdog19,

    I’m not getting to excited about the polls yet. I think the polling post-Obama speech may narrow the differences again. However with Fox continuing it’s push to get the truth out, I think the polls will go back and forth for a while.

  410. CNNN had split screen. Live events

    HHillary & BO

    which one did they choose?

    3 guesses

    HHillary is streaming on CNN.com

    it’s about the Michigan revote!

  411. Kaffeen,

    He isn’t the first to denounce Israel’s right to exist, but Israelis/jewish people are a hardy bunch.

    The guy is a moron!

  412. Ben, You were concerned about that CBS poll. Keep in mind, many people have heard about the Wright comments but haven’t actually seen them; the impact of the videos is much worse than just hearing he made anti-American comments, etc.

    As that Politico article noted, the GOP is going to use this to cream him in November. Not only will the videos be blasted all over the place, but we have this issue:

    “Even Obama’s much-lauded Tuesday speech, which detailed his relationship with his church and focused on the issue of racial reconciliation, failed to shake the notion that Republicans had been given a rare political gift.

    “It was a speech written to mau-mau the New York Times editorial board, the network production people and the media into submission. Beautifully calibrated but deeply dishonest,” said GOP media consultant Rick Wilson, who crafted the 2002 ad tying then-Sen. Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden. “Not good enough.”

  413. JanH,

    He has said more than what I posted. But that is from a news report. Just one more thing to add to the list. At least Wright/Obambi hate everyone equally I guess.

  414. HHillary back in YELLOW BEE SUIT! LOL

    Og for the love of God…will some aid of hers PLEASE douse that fugly suit in gasoline and set it on fire?? PLLLLLLEEEEEASE!

  415. JanH – agreed. Polls are to be taken with a grain of salt. I wasn’t trying to point out the poll, just the headline. Typically polls with Obama ahead (albeit by a few percentage points) garner headlines spinning them as such. This was a shift from the norm.

  416. NEW YORK (CBS) ―

    Voters are slightly more likely to say that a woman candidate faces more obstacles than a black candidate when it comes to presidential politics even as they see racism as a more serious problem for the nation overall, according to a new CBS News poll. Thirty nine percent of registered voters said a woman running for president faces more obstacles while 33 percent said a black candidate does.

    When it comes to the 2008 presidential election, voters say Hillary Clinton has been judged more harshly because of her gender than Barack Obama has because of his race. Forty two percent said Clinton has been judged “more harshly” and six percent said she has been judged less harshly because of her gender. Twenty seven percent said they think Obama has been judged “more harshly” because of his race while 11 percent said he has been judged less harshly.

  417. Ohio: McCain vs. Clinton PPP (D) McCain 44, Clinton 45, Und 11 Clinton +1
    Ohio: McCain vs. Obama PPP (D) McCain 49, Obama 41, Und 10 McCain +8
    Florida: McCain vs. Clinton PPP (D) McCain 47, Clinton 43, Und 10 McCain +4
    Florida: McCain vs. Obama PPP (D) McCain 50, Obama 39, Und 11 McCain +11

  418. The above polls are great news. The more electable Hill becomes in the GE (compared to BO) and the more “big blue” states she wins dramatically, will make the case she must be the democratic nominee (to the SD’s).

  419. Does anyone know how Mrs. Edwards is doing health-wise?

    That could be the reason he isn’t around at the moment.

  420. MORE EVIDENCE A SERIOUS RETHINK OCCURING ON OBAMA AMONG DEMOCRATS

    Questions About Obama
    19 Mar 2008 08:40 am

    For the first time in two months, Democrats who had concluded that Barack Obama had sewn up the nomination, Democrats who support Barack Obama, Democrats who had concluded, as I had, that the mathematics work against Hillary Clinton, are filling my inbox and voice mail with versions of the same question: is his campaign in serious trouble?

    I dunno. I still think the math works against Clinton. More so, if no Florida and Michigan 2.0

    But something is trembling beneath the surface.

    One neutral long-time Obama observer writes that Obama has been “whipsawed” by Wrigbt and Michigan/Florida, two external events over which he has no control.

    Note that the Clinton campaign has said word ZERO about the Wright story. I’m told that campaign manager Maggie Williams issued an edict to staff members and surrogates and top fundraisers, urging them to hold their tongues. That the Clinton campaign was able to keep to this discipline may turn out to be the most consequential tactial move they’ve made in months. If anyone associated with the campaign had waded into the Wright affair, it would have been politicized in a way that probably would have hurt Clinton and not Obama.

    The seeming kiboshing that was done to the new primaries in Florida and Michigan is, on its face, a huge victory for Obama. But Clinton’s visit tomorrow will press the issue in a way that is bound to force Obama’s hand to some extent. There is an urgency to the situation in Michigan, as the legislature has a few days to act before it goes on recess. The Obama campaign’s reasons for throwing up obstacles in Michigan are mostly political. They know it, the Clinton campaign knows it, and by tomorrow, it’s clear that many Michigan Democrats will know it.

    All of this is to say that weirdness and uncertainty of the week has given superdelegates a reason to think this race through, once again. And there is only one candidate, at this point, who benefits from a re-think. It ain’t Obama.

    Marc Ambinder

    marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

  421. Idunn Says:

    March 19th, 2008 at 11:18 am
    Where the hell is John Edwards? We could really use him before NC and KY.

    Agreed. Piss or get off the pot.

  422. Obama criticized both Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee. Obama says they talk tough on national security yet make decisions that leave the country less secure.

    Um, let’s not get into Judgment and Character Obambi, we all know you lack either now.

  423. By ERIK SCHELZIG
    Associated Press Writer

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WHBQ FOX13 myfoxmemphis.com) – — Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen is calling for a superdelegate primary to hasten a decision on the Democratic presidential nominee.

    Bredesen, a superdelegate who is undecided between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, says Democratic chances in November will be hurt if the nominee isn’t decided until the party’s August convention.

    Bredesen, policy chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, is proposing a two-day superdelegate primary for June. He argues for the idea in a column in The New York Times.

    Obama leads Clinton among pledged delegates, but neither is on track to gain the delegates needed to win the nomination outright.

    The nearly 800 Democratic superdelegates are elected officials and party leaders who can support any candidate. About 40 percent have not declared their choice.

  424. So…Hillary has submitted a plan for a MI revote that was within rules AND ACCEPTED by the DNC this morning!

    OBAMA BLOCKING IT

    Bastard

  425. Aaron Klein on New Black Panther artricle should be coming up live on San Francisco radio. Go to link and link to live radio.

    ksfo.com/article.asp?id=53139

  426. OBAMA WATS TO DISENFRANCHISE THE VOTERS

    Hillary said so and said “I am sure the GOP will welcome your votes in November”

    HAHAHAH

  427. Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen is calling for a superdelegate primary to hasten a decision on the Democratic presidential nominee.

    uh, what?

  428. GOP ad makers salivate at potential in Wright comments

    Have Republicans found their golden ticket to the White House this year?

    The same GOP ad-men who turned John Kerry’s Vietnam service into a political liability and tied decorated veteran Max Cleland (who lost three limbs fighting the Viet Cong) to terror leader Osama bin Laden believe the Rev. Jerimiah Wright has made their jobs much, much easier this year.

    Some are even starting to believe that Barack Obama, who attended Wright’s church for two decades, would be an easier Democrat to beat than Hillary Clinton, who’s been a catalyst for right-wing vitriol going on two decades now

    rawstory.com/news/2008/GOP_ad_makers_salivate_at_potential_0319.html

  429. In my view, Obama has been seriously wounded by the JWright controversy.

    His speech yesterday was aimed at media elites and latte liberas all of whom loved the speech. I don’t think it did him any good among the population at large. The fact that he is talking about race as ooposed to home mortgage crisis, rising gas prices, and economy while Hillary is out there talking about these issues is a huge problem in itself for Obama.

    Here is an article by a popular Chicago Tribune columnist John Kass who reflects the views of the general population better than the elites in NY Times:

    Obama sounds presidential but speech isn’t about race
    John Kass

    Obama’s obligation Tuesday was not to talk about race. We talk and talk about race in America. We use it to measure everything, from public contracts to college and graduate school admission standards and, sometimes, it seems we talk of nothing else.

    No, Obama’s job was to address and condemn and isolate his candidacy and his nation from the ugly, anti-American rhetoric espoused by his pastor, Rev. Wright.

    In talking to Tribune reporters about this Friday, and in other comments made over the weekend, Obama offered the view that Wright’s passions were set in the Jim Crow ’50s and ’60s, and you can hear the anger in Wright’s comments as a relic of our ugly, racist, American past.

    Yet anyone remotely interested in the truth of the Wright/Obama story knows this one isn’t really about race in the conventional sense.

    It is about the fact that Wright cursed the United States and blasphemed from the pulpit. It is about the fact that videos of Wright’s comments are circulated endlessly on the Internet, no doubt to the delight of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    It is about the fact that on the Sunday following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Rev. Wright offered this particularly hateful bit of homily that sounds ghost-written by Louis Farrakhan:

    “America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

    Does Obama believe or countenance such ugly nonsense? Of course not. His is truly an American story, impossible anywhere but here.

    Yet when we confront race in America, shouldn’t we not only confront white racism, but another type, mostly unmentioned and rhetorically dangerous, in which black leaders of Wright’s generation sometimes say ridiculous and hateful things and are shielded?

    In America’s unofficial white liberal catechism that frames so much of the discussion, whites often pretend they don’t hear such black hate speech, because to hear it would compel them to challenge it, and a challenge offers the prospect of being denounced by black leadership as racist.

    There is nothing more terrified than a white political reporter about to be called a racist. Unless, of course, it is a “transcendent” black presidential candidate of great promise, harangued by political thugs as not being black enough, perhaps concerned he’d be denounced as a traitor if he condemned not only Wright’s words, but Wright himself.

    Obama must have heard such hate speech from that pulpit for years and said nothing of it, even though the white grandmother who loved him and helped raise him would have certainly cringed before Wright’s anger.

    Yet Obama did invoke his grandmother Tuesday in his speech. He said she loved him even though he’d heard her admit some racial prejudice that “made me cringe.” He treated Wright as a complicated man, yet he reduced his grandmother to a two-dimensional rhetorical device, to protect her grandson from criticism that he didn’t go far enough to condemn Wright’s foolishness.

    He was saying: I love Wright, who is black. I love my grandmother, who is white. Would you have me damn my own beloved grandmother by damning Wright, as he damned the United States?

    It hurt me to watch it. And, I hope for his sake, that it hurt him to say it.

    Obama joined Wright’s church for a reason, just as he knew there was a reason the political fixer Tony Rezko was trying to seduce him. Obama is no fool. He gets to the edge of things.

    So on Tuesday, he stepped lightly, expertly shifting the debate about Wright to a wider debate on solid ground, about race and American hopes and American guilt.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass-19mar19,0,2705588,print.column

    See also this editorial cartton from the Chicago Tribune:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-edcart-multimediagallery,0,5944816.gallery

    Opinions are being formed and judgments are being made all across the country about Obama to his detriment.

  430. Obama says they talk tough on national security yet make decisions that leave the country less secure.

    yes, unlike tough talk about bombing Pockyston. 🙄

  431. Obambi excerpt (he has the audacity to bring up experience and judgment, this will backfire on him, keep on mentioning judgment Bambi, keep on keepin’ on little Bambi)…

    It is time to have a debate with John McCain about the future of our national security. And the way to win that debate is not to compete with John McCain over who has more experience in Washington, because that’s a contest that he’ll win. The way to win a debate with John McCain is not to talk, and act, and vote like him on national security, because then we all lose.

    The way to win that debate and to keep America safe is to offer a clear contrast, and that’s what I will do when I am the nominee of the Democratic Party – because since before this war in Iraq began, I have made different judgments, I have a different vision, and I will offer a clean break from the failed policies and politics of the past.

  432. RE: Edwards. It makes more sense for him to endorse Hillary closer to the NC primary, which isn’t until early May.

    Also, “Some are even starting to believe that Barack Obama, who attended Wright’s church for two decades, would be an easier Democrat to beat than Hillary Clinton, who’s been a catalyst for right-wing vitriol going on two decades now.”

    Well, duh!!!!!!!!!!!

  433. FAYETTEVILLE, North Carolina (Reuters) – U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday said his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton had shown a lack of judgment when she voted in 2002 to authorize the Iraq war.

    JUDGMENT? He is talking judgment??????? Let’s talk judgment Barack!

  434. I have a couple of questions.

    a) WHAT IS A TROLL? WHY IS IT USED IN THE CONTEXT OF SUPPORTERS OF CANDIDATE A GOING TO CANDIDATE B’S WEBSITE?

    b) WHAT IS A CONCERN TROLL?

  435. Re: endorsements. I think the Murtha endorsement is huge and is enough for now. Let people absorb that one. It’s so good for Hillary.

  436. I really resent BO implying that Hillary’s foreign policy is anything like McCain’s. Just yesterday, Fox news analyst actually said Hill was to the left of Obama on Iraq. And, go read the letter from the out of Iraq caucus about Hillary. She is nothing like McCain. Where is that bizaro argument coming from?

  437. kaffeen Says:

    March 19th, 2008 at 11:43 am
    FAYETTEVILLE, North Carolina (Reuters) – U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday said his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton had shown a lack of judgment when she voted in 2002 to authorize the Iraq war.

    JUDGMENT? He is talking judgment??????? Let’s talk judgment Barack!

    OMG, he’s back to that? Get over it bucko. You were not there to vote!

  438. “U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday said his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton had shown a lack of judgment when she voted in 2002 to authorize the Iraq war.”

    He’s beating that dead horse again, lol?

    Also, it’s great Maggie Williams issued that gag order about Wright. Brilliant move.

  439. # SpacegirlArt Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    MY EYES MY EYES!!!

    CLINTON GETTING TWO ‘GOOD’ STORIES ON CNN IN A ROW

    Ha! Just back from court and thought I’d chime in for a few minutes. RW has a great post up on NBPP and 👿 . Seems no phone call was returned by 👿 ‘s minions when Klein was seeking answers about the NBPP page at his campaign site. Hmmm? Wonder why?

    Anyhow- here’s a nice quote that pulls in the Right Reverend’s rhetoric about the American flag:

    All these negroes running around, they’ve got you upset over this flag [holds up Confederate battle flag]. How many Negroes marching, snotting and crying over this flag? That’s a Negro who wants to be white, wants to be an American. … But look at this [holds up a U.S. flag]. Those same Negroes don’t say nothing about this flag. … Now you tell me, which flag drips with more of the blood of the black man and the black woman? … The American flag! http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=169

    Seems to be a theme running over there these days.

  440. # kaffeen Says:
    March 19th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    I think Obambi is a better preacher than a potential POTUS. He should found his own church and live out his days preaching to the choir.

    ROFL!

  441. Very once in a while, I find postings here that meet the ‘concern troll’ definition whether or not intentional.

  442. Obama Lawyer Questions Wisdom of Michigan Revote

    By Shailagh Murray
    FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign has raised questions about a possible June 3 revote in Michigan, although the Democratic National Committee seems fine with the idea.

    “We have recently been asked whether the legislation as proposed by Michigan would fit within the framework of the National Party’s Delegate Selection Rules,” DNC officials said in a statement. “Our review of this legislation indicates that it would, in fact, fit within the framework of the Rules.”

    But Obama lawyer Robert F. Bauer raised several potential problems in a campaign memo released this morning, noting that the primary would be “unprecedented in conception and proposed structure,” as no other states has ever “re-run an election in circumstances like these.”

    Like Florida, Michigan violated Democratic Party rules by moving up its primary date to the early weeks of the nominating process. The candidates declined to campaign in both states, and in Michigan, Obama went even further by removing his name from the ballot.

    Searching for ways to close the delegate and popular-vote gap with Obama, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has actively sought revotes in both Michigan and Florida, although Sunshine State Democrats already have concluded that a second primary is unworkable. The Obama campaign has long held the position that it would abide by whatever party leaders decide — although it would prefer a solution that seats Michigan and Florida delegates at the Democratic National Convention without requiring voters to return to the polls.

    Michigan state leaders are now awaiting Obama’s okay. Clinton is campaigning in Michigan today, seeking to pressure her rival to make a move.

    But Bauer raised a series of legal concerns, including:

    Voter Disqualification: Voters who participated in the Republican primary in January could not vote in the June election under the current proposal, including Democrats and independents.

    Voter Protections: The new primary would be subject to pre-clearance under the federal Voting Rights Act, and Bauer noted the Justice Department may not be able to conduct a timely review. He also questioned whether military ballots could be distributed and collected in time.

    Private Financing: Michigan’s plan to raise private funding to pay for the new primary may or may not be legal under federal election law, Bauer argued, raising possible liability issues for both candidates.

    The Clinton campaign refuted each of Bauer’s points in its own lengthy memo, asserting, “We must either honor the original vote or hold a state-run primary that doesn’t leave the taxpayers footing the bill.”

  443. “Ticker: Obama team warns of Michigan mayhem”

    this was the TEASE for the click-link

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

    BELOW is the actual headline:

    Obama camp says legal issues could entangle Michigan re-vote

    (CNN) – Hours before Hillary Clinton is set to take the stage in Detroit, Michigan to personally make the case for a re-vote in the state, the Obama campaign circulated a memo from its top lawyer arguing a re-vote could encounter legal hurdles.

    Bob Bauer, a longtime Washington lawyer and the Obama campaign’s general counsel, said in the memo a rushed re-vote in Michigan like the one currently proposed by the governor is full of several flaws that could serve to disenfranchise voters there a second time.

    “[The] questions could put at risk the running of the election, undermine acceptance of the results if the election is held, and in both cases effectively deny Michigan voters, a second consecutive time, meaningful participation in the nominating process,” Bauer wrote. (Read full Obama memo [PDF])

    Specifically, Bauer took issue with the re-vote proposal’s stipulation that Michigan residents who voted in the the Republican primary in January will not be able to vote in any new Democratic contest — the campaign argues several Democrats voted in the Republican primary because the Democratic one was meaningless. He also says legal issues could arise over the financing of the election with so called “soft money,” absentee voter rules, and the strain of preparing for a new election in such a short time frame.

    Clinton’s campaign released a memo shortly after Obama’s that took aim at their rival for “refusing to give the people of Michigan the chance to exercise their fundamental right to vote.” (Read full Clinton memo [PDF])

    “The Clinton campaign believes the right to vote is a bedrock principle of our country and that empowering the people of Michigan and Florida to make their voices heard must be a priority for any candidate running for the Democratic nomination,” the Clinton memo states. “As such, we must either honor the original vote or hold a state-run primary that doesn’t leave the taxpayers footing the bill.”

    The memo also takes issue with the Obama campaign’s contention that many of its potential supporters may have voted in the Republican primary in January.

    The Obama campaign’s allies in Michigan organized an effort to get people in Michigan to vote for “uncommitted” in the Democratic primary, helping to bring the uncommitted share of vote to 40 percent,” the memo states. “So the Obama camp can’t reasonably argue supporters participated in the GOP primary and didn’t vote in the Democratic contest.”

  444. It’s interesting that CNN’s news article on Obambi trying to prevent a revote didn’t mention the fact that the DNC accepted the offer. The Washington Post article I posted previously, specifically mentions that point.

  445. MSM making fun of McCains gaffe in Iraq how about Obambi’s Gaffe in Kansas.

    Video: Obama: 10,000 dead from tornado in Kansas, give or take 9,988posted at 11:04 am on May 9, 2007 by Ian
    “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed,” Obama told a crowd of 500 in Richmond on Tuesday.

    hotair.com/archives/2007/05/09/video-obama-10000-dead-from-tornado-in-kansas-give-or-take-9988/

  446. I believe that he wants to seat them after he wins the NOM. They really think no one will be pissed about the way he has been cheating.I think Dean and Donna know they will seat FL. and Mi. once they declare Obama the winner but I do believe then it will go to the floor and I hope Hillary takes it all the way.

  447. Hey gang

    has anyone got the link to the NBBP stuff? I can send out anything to anywhere if it will help. I have to work SOME today on MY stuff, but i have a bit of time.

    Any suggestions?

  448. A couple of pundits were wondering why Hillary went to MI today. Well, it’s obvious. She went there to tell them she valued their votes and wanted their votes to count. When she’s the nominee, they won’t be mad at her. It will be obvious that Obama is preventing the revote.

    How much of this crap can SD’s stand?

  449. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_031908.pdf

    Public Policy Polling, NC Democratic Primary
    521 likely Democratic Primary Voters
    17 March 2008
    Margin of Error +/- 4.3%

    Obama 44
    Clinton 43

    I quote:

    “Some folks in the national media have been treating North Carolina as if winning it is a
    given for Barack Obama,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “The
    reality is that the state is pretty close, and either candidate could emerge with a victory.”

    my grassroots organization is ready to deliver NC to Hillary.

  450. Pundits are brain dead for the most part. Especially on television.

    We also need a GOOD link to the Colin POwell story of him walking out on Wright

  451. Here’s my rant of the day …

    STFU about Obama winning the nomination. We are about Hillary is 44, no ifs, ands or buts.

    Thank you all and have a nice day 🙄

  452. Pulch…good job!

    Would it help to push any stories to the press there? If so, which ones do you think fly best?

  453. Check out this article on Florida. 83% of Florida Democrats want there votes to count, and 24% said they will likely stay home if their votes aren’t counted.

    blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/03/by-adam-c-smith.html

  454. one can also write the charlotte observer about the following:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/18/true-environmentalists-do-not-raise-money-for-obama-d-exelon-true-environmentalists-support-clinton/

  455. What cracks me up is that Bambi’s in all kinds of hot water over Wright, McCain comes out with this gaffe today, and HRC just rolls along under the radar doing her thing.

    Let the cities burn, ya’ll. 😉

  456. This is interesting only because Lewis is flip flopping. He was with Hillary, then switched to Bambi, now that he senses blood in the water, he wants Hill again…..

    Lewis says Obama-Clinton would be ‘dream ticket’

    Published on: 03/19/08

    ATLANTA — U.S. Representative John Lewis of Georgia says he hopes the two Democratic presidential candidates will join forces in what he says would be the “dream ticket.”

    The civil rights leader told Atlanta radio station WAOK-AM in an interview Wednesday that he still backs Barack Obama for president, but says he hopes Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will be on the same ticket for the election this fall.
    ELECTION 2008
    The Road to the White House

    Lewis says he would “not try to dictate” who would be at the top of the ticket, adding “but it would be a great ticket, it would be the dream ticket.”

    Last month Lewis dropped his support for Clinton’s presidential bid in favor of Obama.

    Lewis, a Democratic congressman from Atlanta, became the most prominent black leader to defect from Clinton’s campaign in the face of near-unanimous black support for Obama in recent voting. He also is a superdelegate who gets a vote at this summer’s national convention in Denver.

  457. only 34% of the DEmocratic electorate in NC is African-American. and NC is populated by transplants from NJ, NY, OH and PA. in fact, NC is a demographic bomb ready to detonate, and i imagine the race will become very engaged as may approaches.

  458. Did you hear the story about that repub senator Ballard, or something like that? When they were doing the budget, as a joke, he submitted all of Obama’s amendments in his economic plan – something like 101 of them. Obama VOTED AGAINST it! LOL, it was his own economic plan and I don’t think he realized it.

  459. Following the links back on the pollster story, I came to this:

    “First Read has learned that the Clinton campaign has hired Democratic pollster Geoff Garin to do polling for the campaign. Garin and his firm has plenty of experience polling in the upcoming battlegrounds of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Indiana.

    The question becomes, of course: How does this impact pollster and chief strategist Mark Penn? Some in the campaign have been arguing for months that the chief strategist shouldn’t be polling his own message ideas.

    Garin, one of the most respected Dem pollsters in the country, is someone who will have instant credibility inside the campaign and — more importantly — with worried anti-Penn donors.”

  460. Well, good for Lewis. I’m happy he is saying that.

    Idunn, I hear you. That’s what really upsets me. The two men have all kinds of gaffe’s. Hill is a sensational candidate. I want Hill for pres.

  461. Did you hear the story about that repub senator Ballard, or something like that? When they were doing the budget, as a joke, he submitted all of Obama’s amendments in his economic plan – something like 101 of them. Obama VOTED AGAINST it! LOL, it was his own economic plan and I don’t think he realized it.

    Oh please, please find me a link.

  462. Sorry kaffeen, I don’t. Should be easy to find.

    Speaking of NC, the Ashville area is very new age-y.

  463. Will do Pulch…

    and here is a VERY interesting comment from that post at noquarter

    B Merry?

    Exelon bought Pennsylvania’s power co-op PECO.

    Enron tried to buy PECO and did a lot of high profile marketing and underselling of rates in efforts to take over. Most of it done with very little effort to address union pay, etc. as ways to undercut competition on a short basis.

    When Enron really made its national move they added PECO’s former CEO and a huge Illinois banking name to their board.

    Enron went on to implode, yet Exelon seemed to follow its footsteps, and take over PECO, in a move that made Exelon into America’s largest energy provider.

    Perhaps Obama’s campaign director Mr.Axelrod, who did a lot of consulting for Exelon, would care to discuss his company’s buying up of PA utilities for the coming primary there. Maybe he could discuss the EPA items dealing with PECO waste management issues relating to a Superfund location in the state.

  464. sounds like Lewis is getting ready to tell the AA that it’s okay to go with Hillary. He may see the writing on the wall for Obama and wants to start the AA back to Hillary. IMO that is.

  465. I will not send the videos et al to Lewis. I think his messaging works in our favor, and it seems less clear to me he won’t negotiate for Hill should it come to that.

  466. I won’t contact Lewis at all. I think this has been genuinely hard for him, and I’m not going to rub salt in the wound.

    That’s just me. though.

  467. Here’s a link to the story about Wayne Ballard pulling a trick on Bambi, and Bambi voted against his own enconomic plan

    colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200803170001

  468. MJ, every politician is about survival and upward mobility. He senses that Obama is dead in the water. He wants to support a “winner”, regardless of his constituency. If he flip flops entirely, that would be very positive.

  469. Idunn Says:

    March 19th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
    I won’t contact Lewis at all. I think this has been genuinely hard for him, and I’m not going to rub salt in the wound.

    That’s just me. though.

    Yup. And, I think this is helpful to Hill. Nope, I say please keep your mouth shut.

  470. Kaffeen…IMO we should let Lewis’ statement stand as is. There is NO DOUBT he is well aware of the Wright stuff. He got CONSIDERABLE pressure to move to Bambi and it was heartbreaking for him. ANY consideration of Clinton from him now, publicly stated is a VERY GOOD THING. Let’s leave it be for now.

  471. SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 19th, 2008 at 11:29 am
    So…Hillary has submitted a plan for a MI revote that was within rules AND ACCEPTED by the DNC this morning!

    OBAMA BLOCKING IT
    ———————————————-

    THIS from the candidate who says “Hillary would do anything to win”? Raceman, Disenfranchisor, friend to Rezco, Weatherman, Hitler Juegen who refuses to pledge allegiance to the flag or let the people decide who our nominee will be. Time to wake up Democrats before it is too late.

  472. pulchritude – BHO only has AA vote like 75-25, or something. Look for him to try something to get that number up.

  473. Kaff…perhaps you could help me send the post from Admin info above and the Nno Quarter link info Pulch posted to NC Papers?

    this is real stuff than can help Hillary more right now. GOOD links for all papers can be found here:

    newslink.org

  474. Well, I am going to write Lewis. I respect your opinions, every one should decide for themselves what to do. We didn’t get where we are by being passive. Despite the claims of Repug shows, part of the reason the Wright situation exploded was *us* and *our* emails, contacts, and discussion of Wright with the media, news organizations, blogs, and any “ears” willing to listen.

  475. Space, I’ve already sent out that stuff. I don’t think that is explosive and will do very little to influence anyone. People need *scandal*.

  476. Yesterday I heard another caucus horror story from my building manager of how in her precinct caucus Obama people erased the names of the Clinton supporters, and an arbitrator told me how they managed to turn away roughly 100 voters in his precint. These things have all been reported dont worry about that. They are similar to what we have all seen in other caucus states.

    Anyone who believes these are random events must also believe in the tooth fairy. They are orchestrated by the top echelon of the Obama campaign for the express purpose of doing the very thing we are seeing them do in Florida and Michigan as well–disenfranchising the voters.

  477. Ok, Kaffeen, but I think you are really not helping. Hill put out the message first and you are just going to turn him off. I think Hill would respectfully ask you not to.

  478. divabunny, I suggest you post as much as you can about Hill’s Iraq exit plan, and her call to end private armies.

  479. I’m with Idunn. Leave John Lewis alone. He’s been through enough and is still a Clinton supporter no matter what. Why do you think she hasn’t thrown him under the bus like 👿 did his own gma?

    Speaking of which did anyone else get a big laugh yesterday by the rightwing papers and blogs calling his speech the “Throw Grandma Under the Bus” speech?

  480. @mj: my fingers are sore from emailing the papers… editors and individual reporters. the buncombe county dem party that is supposed to committed to BOTH candidates, but only has events scheduled for obama…. trust me… i’m emailing my ass off…

    i just wonder if they dont see the “crazy hillary-lady’s” email addy again and tune me out… that is why i am asking for any kind of support.

  481. PRINCETON, NJ — New Gallup Poll Daily tracking finds Hillary Clinton with a 49% to 42% lead over Barack Obama in national Democratic voters’ presidential nomination preference.

    This is the first time Clinton has held a statistically significant lead in over a month. She last led Obama in Feb. 7-9 polling, just after the Super Tuesday primaries. Since then, the two candidates have usually been in a statistical tie, but Obama has held a lead in several of the polls, most recently in March 11-13 polling.

    Obama’s campaign has been plagued by controversial remarks made by his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Obama delivered a major speech on race Tuesday to try to move beyond the controversy. The initial indications are that the speech has not halted Clinton’s gaining momentum, as she led by a similar margin in Tuesday night’s polling as compared to Monday night’s polling.