Strike! On The Ides Of March

As we approach our one year anniversary we will be putting on a fresh coat of Pink paint, upgrade our software, fix recent glitches, and revamp what needs revamping. So, readers and commentors may experience possible interruptions on the site while the web elves do their work for the next few days if not weeks.

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Our one year anniversary will be on April 19. We’ll have a full evaluation of what Big Pink has accomplished in one year, on that day.

Our very first post stated

Although we feel that Senator Clinton will be the nominee (we thought that way back in March 2006), the race, as always in a democracy, will be an exciting one. We will have lots to say especially with regards to the media and blog coverage of the campaign. We will keep an especially sharp eye on “progressives” or Democrats who repeat Republican propaganda to undermine Hillary or any of our candidates.

We knew that the backstabbers at blogs and the so-called “liberal” media were the ones who savaged Al Gore in 2000 and that these sad sacks with poison pens would be at it again in 2008. We were right.

A few days after our inaugural post we wrote The Media and Nutroots Attack On Hillary Clinton. At the time, we received emails unhappy with our use of the term “Nutroots” to describe these blogging nuts. Here is what we had written:

The Nutroots, are a self-appointed, self-interested, small group of typists who utilize their self-built perches to inflict their delusions on Democrats and true progressives; they like to refer to themselves as the “netroots”, a play on words from the honorable “grassroots”. Both have joined forces to debase the likely Democratic Party nominee: Hillary Clinton.

Check out that early post, it has great information on how Obama copycatted Hillary in order to “puff up his slim resume”.

We also wrote Hillary’s Assassin(s). We quoted this gem of a line

But Clinton has never posted a diary at Daily Kos, which only begs the question: Why would she proactively avoid recreating the success of other recent candidates? And the most likely the answer is, because Markos Moulitsas, founder of Daily Kos — aka “Kos” — hates her.

Slowly, slowly, we started making some headway with our argument and the emails turned supportive, albeit “worried”. We also had this to say back in April 2007:

We know we have to keep a sharp eye on these “nutroots” crackpots. We also have to monitor and then do more than merely monitor big media crackpots.

For instance Chris Matthews, whose show when it comes to Democrats in general and Hillary in particular should be renamed “Mudball”.

For instance Arriana Huffington – the political bedhopper formerly associated with Newt Gingrich and his particularly venomous brand of Republicans.

Arriana Huffington of course was a big Republican shill attacking Hillary when Bill Clinton was in the White House. Huffington has not changed her stripes. She is still attacking Democrats and Hillary in particular.

Matthews salivates every time he mentions Hillary. Matthews was the Republican debate circus master the other night. Matthews could not resist goading the Republican candidates to bash President Clinton. Matthews asked whether having Bill Clinton back in the White House was a good idea. We know having Matthews considered a serious political commentator is a bad idea.

These assassins have to be exposed and stopped.

That trip through Memory Lane came because apparently even the valiant Hillary supporters at DailyKooks have given up bringing “business” to that pit of sulphur.

“We are going on strike and taking our writing elsewhere. When and if our beloved community is once more a focal point for Democratic election discussions, we will gladly return.” Alegre has set up “The American Federation of Concerned Bloggers (AFCB)” and has enlisted at least three dozen bloggers.

He writes:

…..Daily Kos and Markos himself no longer adhere to this purpose of electing Democrats. Daily Kos has become an Obama community and discussion of other Democrats is not welcome. We Clinton supporters are continually attacked and even threatened. The atmosphere has become so poisonous that we could do nothing else but take our discussions elsewhere.

It’s common sense – why give your business to a place that does not support you? Why tip the person who stabs you in the back?

Equally gratifying, which we will encourage all our big dollar fundraising friends to participate in, is a fundraisers strike against Howard Dean’s Democratic National Committee.

Pushing to seat the Florida delegates, at least one top Clinton fund-raiser, Paul Cejas, a Miami businessman who has given the Democratic National Committee $63,500 since 2003, has demanded Democratic officials return his 2007 contribution of $28,500, which they have agreed to do.

If you’re not going to count my vote, I’m not going to give you my money,” said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.

Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Florida’s delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back.

“If we do not resolve this issue,” Mr. Korge said, “I think it’s safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.” [snip]

“My wife and I could max out, and we won’t,” said Ira Leesfield, a Miami lawyer who has given $61,500 to the committee since 1997. “We’re dissatisfied with the D.N.C. not taking the bull by the horns.”

About 250 top fund-raisers for Mrs. Clinton met Wednesday in Washington. Terry McAuliffe, the Clinton campaign’s chairman and a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, encouraged the donors to pick up the phone and call party leaders, as did Mrs. Clinton.

Hooray for these donors. No Donation Without Representation.

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Not to forget Pennsylvania, and the “God Damn America” Obama campaign problems RJK1957 tells us that “Kate Smith was a Philadelphia Flyers good luck charm”. Let’s make Kate Smith a Hillary Clinton Pennsylvania good luck charm. Let “God Bless America” ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let it ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

And remember:



1,093 thoughts on “Strike! On The Ides Of March

  1. Thanks for the review Admin. I would read the site for a long time before I logged on. The hillaryhare just finally pushed me to register 🙂

    And I love the Kate Smith video. I cry everytime, and I feel like such a sap for doing so. But I do love my country. I used to say when I was a kid. Not my country, right or wrong, but My Country. Inotherwords, I didn’t want to be blind to America’s shortcomings–and we got ’em.

    But then after I lived in China for 3 years, I really appreciated America as never before. Free speech here is why we understand our shortcomings and failings so well. And I do believe we move to fix them. Not fast enough for me when I was younger. But today, I think if we can just get our freedom of press back, we will be ok Blah. Blah. Just rambling. Longwinded way of saying thanks, Admin 🙂

  2. I’ll let B Merry do the Rezko research, but after briefly reviewing the Sun-Times transcripts, I find these interesting (among many)…

    Q: In the same regard, is it fair for the scrutiny that Rev. Jeremiah Wright has been getting? Is it fair that you have to denounce him, denounce his statement?

    A: It makes me feel bad for the church. I have felt frustrated about how the church has been characterized. The suggestion that somehow this is a separatist church or other statements that have been made on some of these talk shows has disturbed me. Anybody who goes to Trinity . . . knows this is a terrific, welcoming church that there are constant streams of visitors in from every place from Denmark to Iowa . . .

    Q: Does Wright’s relationship with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan bother you?

    A: I don’t know the extent of his relationship. There was a magazine that was affiliated with the church that gave him an award. That disturbed me as well. There have been a number of things that have come up lately that I’ve been troubled by. But given my strong relationship with the church. This is the church where I was married, where my children were Baptized, that has a record of helping the homeless and dealing HIV/AIDS and speaking out on issues like South Africa, and, you know, is my church family,

    Q: In the U.S. Senate race, the federal government is alleging at least two of those donations were straw donations. Does this trouble you?

    A: Yes, absolutely. Its illegal, and I obviously had no knowledge of it. If I did, we would not have not accepted those donations.

    Q: Did you ever meet Nadhmi Auchi or Dr. Aiham Alsammarae?

    A: I have to say I do not recall meeting them. It’s been reported that a dinner Tony hosted at the four seasons, I don’t have the exact date, so I don’t know whether it was the before November ’04 when I hadn’t been elected but had already won the primary or whether it was after the election, in which I was . . . Tony called and asked if I could stop by because he had a number of friends that he had invited to dinner and he wanted mew to meet them. I told him that I would be happy to come by if my schedule allowed it. And it did. Although I couldn’t, I think, stay for dinner, so I remember meeting a bunch of people who I had not met before. I frankly don’t remember what their names were.

    Q: You talk a lot about judgment in your campaign. Was this a judgment issue?

    A: It was a mistake. I said it was a boneheaded move, I think it is further evidence I am not perfect.

  3. I just posted this on the previous blog:

    I just saw this in the comments to a blog in the Balimore Sun:

    “After a lecture he gave at Johns Hopkins University in 1993, Barack Obama was overheard and caught on tape muttering to a close associate, “Fuck the white man.” This story and the full transcript, I have been assured, will hit the news media hard on Monday or Tuesday of next week.”

  4. Well said, linfar

    With the corruption in the media we have all seen, one has to wonder whether our democracy could survive right now without the internet.

  5. “We will have lots to say especially with regards to the media and blog coverage of the campaign. We will keep an especially sharp eye on “progressives” or Democrats who repeat Republican propaganda to undermine Hillary or any of our candidates…’nutroots’…Both have joined forces to debase the likely Democratic Party nominee: Hillary Clinton.”

    Your predictions/warnings/concerns turned out to be so right–as usual!

    My next post is a repost from the last thread, which might not be seen much now that a new thread is up. I think that people keep hammering, discussing, shedding light on the lying going on now is VERY important.


  7. Per Baltimore Sun…

    Penn said Obama’s disclosures were part of a “troubling pattern,” in which Obama’s words don’t match the facts. He said Obama’s advisers on foreign policy and trade haven’t always been on the same page as the candidate. And with Rezko, Penn said, Obama waited too long to tell the full story. The theme, as the Clinton folks have been pushing for weeks, is that Obama’s words don’t add up to very much.

    Clinton spokesman Phil Singer also wondered why Obama had said he wasn’t aware of Rezko’s legal problems when Friday Obama said that he had indeed read stories about Rezko’s troubles and why Obama said Rezko had raised $100,000 less for his campaign than the developer actually raised.

    “Senator Obama needs to answer some basic questions, including why does this story keep changing?” Singer said. He complained that Obama “claims the high ground while attacking Senator Clinton’s character.”

  8. From me in the last thread….

    Everyone, what Ginseng said above:

    “In the video here, Wright says (at .12), “there is a man here who can take this country in a new direction.” He points to someone in the congregation, and I assume he is talking about and pointing to Obama.”

    A google cached Fox article about the IRS going after Wright’s church states:

    CHICAGO — Barack Obama’s controversial pastor and the church he’s served for 36 years may be in hot water over statements he has made from the pulpit in support of the Illinois senator’s run for the White House….

    “Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

    “There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction,” Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

    It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright….

    In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

    “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

    FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright’s sermons from the church…

    “It’s pretty clear an indirect endorsement of Barack Obama — that’s not something you’re supposed to do according to the tax code,” said Andrew Walsh, a professor at Trinity College who specializes in religion in politics.”

    –According to this, January 13th was billed as Wright’s last sermon. And Ginseng said Wright pointed to the audience when he said about a man being there—is this true? If so, all this evidence taken together suggests Obama was THERE. If that was indeed billed as Wright’s last sermon, people at that sermon would more likely remember Obama’s being there too. Wouldn’t it also make sense that Obama WOULD be there at Wright’s supposed last sermon, his mentor of 20 years at the church he’d been attending for 20 years?

    And Wright did the humping motion about Clinton and Lewinsky then, according to Fox. What else was said on that day’s sermon according to the video? Any of the hate America, hate races stuff? If so, right there it shows Obama has lied that he didn’t know about Wright preaching hate.

    It seems the church is being investigated for political campaigning, the article NAMES Obama being the one endorsed on January 13th, the IRS representative NAMES Obama in the quote I’ve posted below with respect to an earlier date.

    At Universal’s blog I saw an excerpt from a worldnet article (I hate that right-wing source—and I still do not like Fox either, I don’t trust these places and don’t think people should praise them because they will revert right back to smearing Clinton someday), which states:

    “In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested “white America” had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business “divestment from Israel,” which he refers to as a “racist” state along with America.

    “In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01,” he wrote on page 7. “White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared,’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns.”

    –It seems Wright has said this stuff IN WRITING, his church has put out publications saying this stuff and in 2005. Because I don’t like or trust where the article’s from, can someone get hold of any of those written publications showing Wright has clearly stated this stuff in writing? If he has, Obama’s denials about not knowing about Wright’s anti-american preaching and race hate sound even more false.

    In my opinion, Obama’s I-didn’t-know-he-thought-and-said-this denials are BULLSHIT, saying he would have quit the church if he’d known this stuff is also BULLSHIT. How could he NOT have known all this stuff? As carby also said above somewhere, his church is known for preaching that nasty stuff and he went there for 20 years, was friends with this person, had him in his home, this person married him and his wife, and it seems Obama wants people to believe this person’s hate was some giant secret, that he himself hadn’t known the secret when others who hadn’t even gone to the church had? As someone also noted above I think, even after this stuff had come out he STILL didn’t quit going to the place.

    In that Fox article, it also says:

    “Obama defended Wright’s longtime activism for blacks in America last week at a campaign event in Ohio.

    “Jeremiah Wright … has said some things that are considered controversial because he’s considered that part of his social gospel,” Obama said….”

    –So once again, Obama has shown he knew about Wright’s “controversial” statements, and this time Obama also more strongly said Wright considers that stuff part of his “social gospel”! Yet now he claims he hadn’t heard Wright’s “social gospel” before?
    More from that Fox article:
    “In a certified letter, Marsha Ramirez, IRS director, EO Examinations, wrote:
    “Our concerns are based on articles posted on several Web sites including the church’s which state the United States Presidential Candidate Senator Barack Obama addressed nearly 10,000 church members gathered at the United Church of Christ’s biennial General Synod at the Hartford Civic Center, on June 23, 2007. In addition, 40 Obama volunteers staffed campaign tables outside the center to promote his campaign.”
    –What was said by Wright on THAT day with 10,000 people in attendance when Obama was reported as being there? A reporter should investigate that if possible.

    One last thing from the article:

    “Once Wright’s remarks were widely publicized last year, Obama backed out of his plans for his pastor to speak at his Feb. 10 presidential announcement.”

    –But Obama did NOT quit going to that church after last year.

    I’ll post this at my blog too with links to clarify

  9. Going to try this one again.

    EVERYBODY needs to read this article, since it could be the smoking gun that breaks Bambi’s story. This reporter attended Bambi’s church when Bambi was there with his Secret Service.

    I think some of the veterans here need to look at this, and decide whether it should be pushed – you know, whether it is credible.

  10. Well…in reading, re-reading, listening and watching BO, it sure appears he cannot get ANY of his stories straight and the Delegates need to be reminded of that.

    If the blog reference above is correct, and there IS tape of BO saying “fuck the white man”…he is more than toast. There will be no surrogate, there will be no one to blame, or no way to take it “out of context.”

    Youthful indiscretion? Perhaps. But not one Americans will be fond of.

    Let’s wait to see if it is true. If it is…well….Archie Bunker’s of the World Unite

  11. Hmm, crowd looks kind of small. He’s trying to “connect” with a message on the economy. I just don’t think this is what “excites” his voters.

  12. “leaves millions of children behind, unable to compete in the new global economy”

    Bambi you are losing it, the spark is out of your speech and only 1 lady behind you still has that star struck look.

  13. Ben, I read that this morning, and although one could make the assumption he was there, there is no definitive proof. I DO believe that FOX has tapes that either SHOW HIM or there are references SO STONG that there is no way it can be implied it was “doctored”.

    He really painted himself into a corner in that (those) interviews, considering all that is out there and I imagine the 9/11 speech will be the bomb FOX drops – with proof. It could be sold that he could be there on occasions where he was speaking of Darfur or something, but get him there in the room while Wright is using 9/11 as a bludgeon and his goose is cooked.

    Lies are hard to maintain over time. He seems to be involved in numerous ones.

    And as an aside…I sent the story about “Oops, Rezko really gave me more money than I had admitted.” last night to several dozen news outlets.

    NPR had it as a headline and short follow up on their programming all day today n their news breaks.

    We need too keep pushing that one. His quotes are PRICELESS.

  14. I really think he’s finished now–finally. It’s just a matter of exactly when and how far he’ll drag the democrats down with him because I think this Wright madness will likely damage ANY democrat in the fall.

    Please see my comments in this thread:

    Dean et al. must be kicked from the party (can this be done? It must be worked on!) along with Obama being kicked from the nomination. Sooner is better–I think the voters would likely kick him out in the next few states, but the dems can’t keep letting his madness go on. Stop the democratic bleed now!

  15. SpacegirlArt

    We know there are A LOT of folks out there looking for good solid evidence to refute his Wright story. It won’t take long.

  16. Hey ADMIN…Nice Recap of Big Pink! I am so glad I found this place. Your work is outstanding and I really feel we are part of making history. At the end of the day, we will know we worked out butts off to make Hill 44!

    See you at the Inauguration!

  17. NO matter how he tries to carve this up, Obamas comments don’t answer the 20 plus years and 20 plus thousands of dollars he donated to Wright’s church, and it doesn’t explain why in over twenty years he has not moved his minister towards a more reasonable position or failing that, moved himself towards a more reasonable minister!

  18. “Ben, I read that this morning, and although one could make the assumption he was there, there is no definitive proof.”

    –If the article is true, it’s written from someone(s) who attended the service. That’s an eyewitness account of someone’s seeing Obama there when Wright was making his lovely statements.

    I hate the source again though, right-wing….

    Here are statements from there:

    “A visit to Wright’s Trinity United is anything but Oprah-style friendly.

    As I approached the entrance of the church before a recent Sunday service…Wright’s strong sentiments were echoed in the Sunday morning service attended by NewsMax.

    Wright laced into America’s establishment, blaming the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the “United States of White America.” Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.

  19. Ben, I agree. I also believe the tapes are in the decks at FOX and all someone needs to do is hit PLAY

    Other stories, like the Blog referenced above, will also appear. This man is not fit to be the President.

    He has already been caught in lies…so many lies. “Bone headed mistakes” as he prefers to call them….and not about POLICY, but about his personal dealings, and these are things that go to character.

  20. Good afternoon Hillfans. A suggestion from a little birdie who left this message in my inbox. It’s not the voters who matter as much in this race to the WH now as it is how and what the SDs will do. It’s the super donors that the SDs will be watching and will go the way those SDs want.

    Obama already has his Obamathugs in line. The Kool Ade drinkers aren’t going to set aside their sippy cups. The newbie SDs like Shea-Porter and others who are freshmen Congress people that Obama backed will stay loyal.. they’re expecting something for their efforts.

    The super donors are the ones who have the big corporate dollars and their investments at stake. If they signal that they are going to pull away from Obama, he’s toast. If they stand by their man, then this Wright business and hypocrisy will drive away the Repugs and Big Business wins. If they pull away disgusted and figure it’s a bad investment, then Hillary can truly be 44.

    Just telling you what someone who understands all this better than I told me.

  21. Barack…”this moment” is out of your hands now.


  22. Fran,

    Yeah I’m not so certain about the source. But I wonder – should we send this to Sean Hannity? Also, feed his ego. Tell him in e-mail that we know it was him who broke the Wright story 🙂

  23. Regarding that Newsmax story, I’m sure Fox would do some basic journalism before they went with it. They would talk to the reporter, and I’m sure it would be easy to verify what Obama’s schedule was on July 22, 2007

  24. Ben, I bet he and others will get ahold of it somehow or maybe already have. This won’t go away for americans–I feel pretty sure of that….

  25. Ok, space . . . I’ll send it myself. There’s nothing to lose with it, and I’m sure Hannity would be interested.

  26. color me puzzled about B. Merryfield comments? I don’t understand. Who are superdonors vs superdelegates? What ever happened to letting peoples votes count and Florida?

  27. Fran

    My only fear is that Hannity might hold something good back – if he felt like he might could use it in a general election. But personally, I don’t think BO is going to make it that far

  28. dot48

    Just think about Obama as a television show where the super doopers advertise, now Imagine on that TV show something horrible is shown that Sooper Doopers dont want to be associated with,they pull their advertising dollars and Swish………..end of show 😆

  29. OK guys…I need some advice. As a mural artist, I get to work my own hours, spend time at home if I wish, etc. But the income is up and down with no benefits, no health insurance, etc.

    I will be 51 in April. I had applied for a job with a local PD as a dispatch trainee several months back. I got no reply. Today I got a letter said they want to talk with me, but reminded me in the letter I would be, if hired. on the midnight shift for about five years! LOL

    Full benes, pension, 18 months til substantial raise. Starts about $32K

    At 51, what would you do? LOL

  30. Fox will cover their ass on anything they put out there, believe me. Just me careful that we don’t everyone kill Hannity with the same stuff. 👿

    someone explain BM post.

  31. Ben…send it to MULTIPLE Outlest, including AP and Reuters. Don’t just send to Hannity. This assures some enterprising reporter wanting to make a name for him/herself might research and run with it.

    Also send it to CNN and MSNBC so they know WE KNOW there is another story out there.

    Do you have the list?

  32. space

    I was a PO in my twenties LOL many lives ago, but the benefits are good and it’s all good but the hours. If you are a night owl then do it otherwise? It is hard working those hours, becuase when you are off you have no time to adjust back to normal time before it is suddenly time to return to work again. i was a night owl so it never bothered me:)

    good luck with whatever you decide:)

  33. Dot…yeah, I am thinking that. Benefits would be good, AND a regular paycheck. I want to buy a house soon, so, to work for City of Clearwater would be good reference in a short time.

    But I better type better than I do here! LOL

    I had to take a typing test to even apply, so, I guess I can overcome that

  34. I also think he’s now unlikely to make it that far. But if he did, if the democrats don’t stop him soon, now that all this stuff has come out, when McCain wins the democrats will have mostly themselves to blame for the continued nightmare of republican executive destruction here. They will have given the election to McCain by having forced Obama into this primary.

    I still wonder if that’s been the plan all along, if some in the democratic party have been corrupted by republicans, are on the same side, or if some members of both sides are having their strings pulled by the same bigger someone(s). These are unstable crazy times; anything is possible. But this whole election stinks of SHAM to me. At the least, it seems the democratic powers-that-be forced BO as a candidate simply to thwart Clinton. It’s like they hate her.

  35. EMVH, thanks. I can probably get used to the hours. I used to work in ER’s 11p-7a shifts, and they were good, but it was finally good to get back to days. I’ll go to the interview and check it out. It’s not a FIRM offer of a job, but another step towards one. I had to submit to a background check with the application, so I guess they like me! LOL I was with Homeland Security and the State and had 3 FBI BG checks in five years! LOL I even needed one by FDLE to be eligible to paint murals in the schools.

  36. space – No, I don’t have the list. Just sent it to Hannity. Give me the list and I’ll work on it

  37. Fran

    I’ve gotten that same feeling. I’ve often felt the media are trying to serve-up Obama for the general election, so McCain can beat him. Perhaps the corporate media really wants McCain in the white house to protect their corporate interests.

  38. With the exception of FOX, we all know that the media will get lazy unless we keep stoking the flames…. everyone be sure to email the networks and demand the truth about whether BO was present at these sermons, and include the following excerpt for them to look into:


    “Wright laced into America’s establishment, blaming the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority
    for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers
    to the country as the “United States of White America.” Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded
    in apparent agreement as these statements were made.”


    here is a link for media (thanks to kaffeen):

    and here is a link to the SD’s (thanks to basil9):

    Please SPEAK YOUR MIND to the MEDIA and SD’s!!

  39. Fran, they do hate her because they know she will work hard to clean up govt. BO is a tool to GE through is connections with Excelon and Middle East. GE owns NBC. McCain is a Nuke Industry man too. There was a very frightening and long article I posted weeks ago (I probably still have the link) that really makes you come away thinking that the republicans are running two candidates. Obama and McCain. It will make the hairs stand up on your neck!

  40. Fran, I think you are onto something. When you think about the people who have made careers off Bill Clinton simply abandon without reason .. go join the new kid on the block. They know you cannot change Washigton as a structure .. you have to work within it .. it is shameful and I will remember those people.

    That is why Bill Richardson to me is the lowest flea on the dog. He simply sits his big ass on the couch.

    I really do believe this is about kneecapping the Clintons vs the best future for the country. I just hope the voters get to make that decision and with the remaining states Hillary can wipe up solid.

  41. hillfans is it me or is it strange not having a primary election for over a month from now? is it a good or bad thing? i wish it was sooner becuase hillary leads the punk by a wide margin now in pa. i don’t want to give him the time to catch up.

  42. MonkeyBiz…thanks for making that concise. I just sent to Tips at Hillary Hub, and the Press office. I will be happy to send to other outlets…Perhaps some Indiana papers and tv would be good too…since he is there. I’ll get on that.

  43. Thanks for that excerpt from the ChiSunTimes, kaffeen. Snapped it up and posted it here .. you’re gonna like it.

    And to answer your question, yes the superdelegates and the superdonors are the key. If the donors are telling Dean to seat the delegates, he’s got a problem. It goes against his agenda. If, as I read, donors are not only holding back funds from the DNC but also asking for refunds, that’s not good at all.

    Keep in mind that Big Business needs to function internationally now. BO is fast becoming a huge liability and another laughing stock like GW.

    Expect buyers’ remorse to set in. If the cable news networks start pulling their support away from BO, it’s a sign. If tomorrow’s morning talk shows aren’t glowing BO endorsements but more like the wringing of hands, that’s a sign. If it’s on balance more apologizing or dissembling for BO, that’s not good.

    Take your cues from whence the money flows.

    And I’ll still say my little birdies say BO’s already become too much of a liability in some quarters.

  44. terrondt

    I believe its a good thing. It lets the canddate catch their breath. There is supposed to be 2 debates comng up also. 1 in PA the other in NC?

    Hill won’t lose PA. The supporters there won’t let it happen and neither will the supporters here.

    The ball is in BHO court to now prove he is electable but with recent revelations I don’t believe he is going to overcome the negatives piling up.

    Time is not on BHO’s side right now. He’s got to start from square one to convince people he is the better candidate.

  45. Admin,

    Why do you think Fox broke this story now? You know as well as I do that this must have been out there the whole time. Why now?


  46. Obama and his people seem to think that nothing can touch him and that he can go on to fight another day.

    I’m sorry but a few words from him that are wishy-washy to say the least, doesn’t do it for me. This travesty of events will go down as a terrible moment in U.S. history. His biggest supporters need to condemn him for this.

    I don’t really care if he tries to distance himself from Wright after all these years…too little… too late…too deceptful of his real beliefs.

    His biggest supporters…Dean, Kennedy, Kerry, et al, further taint their own reputations by staying silent and not pulling away from this man.

    I WANT HIM GONE! There is no acceptable explanation for any of this.

  47. B Merry…did you catch my post above where NPR this morning mentioned Obama’s “correction” (my words) of his Rezko fundraising?

  48. Why is Fox pushing this now? Too many Repugs being drawn to BO and that puts McCain at risk. Got to cut him off at the knees while there’s still time. He’s got the numbers flowing in his favor. They never expected he’d get this far. Hannity did his contentious interview with Wright nearly a year ago. He’s been sitting on this that long. It may also come down to a Hannity vs O’Reilly supremacy move. Who gets to be David and who gets to take down Goliath.

  49. Danna Brazille and I have been having a very hostile back and forth. She claims Hill is running out of money. is that true?

  50. Anyone notice how low key Hillary has been. She’s smart. But then we know that.

    The media isn’t going to say anything nice about her anyway so why should she raise her head.

    and just a note for all of us patting FOX on the back for their coverage of BHO and Wright. FOX does not like Hillary either, don’t forget that!

  51. Space said: “that really makes you come away thinking that the republicans are running two candidates. Obama and McCain.”

    –For months I’ve been saying and writing that I think Obama and McCain are a win-win situation for the republicans—I’ve been all over my blog about this. Maybe you read that stuff from me?

    “I still can’t help thinking he’s really a repub, that repubs are behind all this somehow.

    I don’t see them letting go of the executive branch–they’ll do whatever it takes to stay in power there. They think McCain isn’t that popular with republicans and neither are republican politicians popular period now, courtesy of Bush, so wouldn’t it make sense if the repubs could somehow run (or be behind running) a repub in dem clothing this election, and turn him into a hyped media creation populist? They’d get lots of votes from the democrats, who are more energized now than the republicans, and notice all the repub crossovers voting for Obama–people usually assume that’s only because the repubs don’t want Clinton to win the nom. But what if the repubs really want OBAMA?

    The Obama crowd keeps bragging about his red-state wins, he keeps using right-wing talking points, he loves Reagan and repeatedly defends Bush and attacks democrats when they attack republicans. He’s at least an unprincipled democrat who could easily be bended to the republican will; at most he is one of them. Maybe he’s the REAL republican running this time.

    As I’ve said in other threads, if the GE could wind up McCain vs. Obama, it may be a win-win situation for the republicans. Either way, if voters seem to be leaning McCain’s way, or if they lean Obama’s way, the republicans are safe. They would either de-emphasize one or the other during the general, but it wouldn’t be a very contentious election because one side’s really behind both candidates….”

    “I’m tired of people blaming her. Her being attacked and denigrated this way, from her own party even, his running–this isn’t “her bad luck.” In my opinion, these have been calculated moves from his supporters specifically to thwart her and to set up some other agenda, to get him elected, McCain elected–something–and probably for bad-for-america reasons most americans aren’t aware of yet. As I’ve said, I think he’s allied with the other side, but at the least, the other side wants a supposed “democrat” who’s the least sympathetic to Democratic principles and the most sympathetic to republican ones.”

    “People keep assuming (going on past experience) that if the Democrats don’t critically examine Obama now, the media will eventually do it and then attack him a lot on the Repulsive (Republican) Party’s behalf because this is what normally happens to Democrats in a Republican-controlled/-abetting media environment. But these aren’t normal times. What if Obama’s on the Republican side? What if some of the Democrats supporting him are really Republicans too? What if those Democrats have also bought off the media, or have been complicit with the Republicans all along? What if Obama’s no real threat to the Republicans? After all, he’s consistently complimented them and said he wants unity and wants to work with them, and he’s done all this sucking-up complimenting while attacking other Democrats–AND while attacking Clinton for attacking Republicans. If people assume that Obama WON’T ever be vetted by the media, I think what’s been going on makes more sense….In my opinion, many Democrats have been corrupted and now are corrupt; they’ve been abetting Bush all along. Some parts of the Democratic party seem to have merged with the Republican party–the Republicans might accept a Democrat from these parts, might have been courting some, or one, to ally with the Repulsive Party.”

  52. mj,
    With all due respect, Donna Brazile’s head is way up in Obama’s… posterior. Neither campaign can be flush with gold right now but “out of money” is just her BS.

    But it’s obvioulsy always a good thing to donate more.


    all the contacts for most media in every state.

    We need to be out in FRONT of BO send what you can to them as well as SD’s writing polite, but CONCERNED letters as Democrats. “I have been a party member since___ and I can no longer Donate if….”

    “I have always vote Democrat, and was going to make that deep commitment to the party this year by becoming a dues paying member but…”

    1.) Experience
    2.) ELECTIBILITY (States v. Caucus)
    .) Rezko
    .) Wright
    Foreign Policy exp.
    Disenfranchisement, etc.

    there are so many things!

  54. “She claims Hill is running out of money. is that true?”

    What the hell is Brazille doing here? If she is supposed to represent the Democratic Party, why is she attacking her in this way? Why isn’t she pumping up Hill’s chances whenever she has the opportunity?

    This woman has lost all my respect!

  55. Every campaign runs low on money due to the outrageous costs,
    having said that BHO is still asking for money too…it goes with the territory.
    Cash flow is really critical for any campaign, and tactics and strategy play a big part in it’s availability.

  56. Well, I really upset her. I didn’t mean to. I only thought she could cool temperatures. But she really virtually yelled at me.

  57. McCain, however, never had money but managed to get nominated anyway.

    I wouldn’t believe anything Donna Brazile says about Hillary.

  58. tell her major donors are pulling their support of the DNC and may demand their contributions be returned if FL and MI are not seated. That will really spin her off her ass.

  59. She’s probably feeling a bit tense over BO’s Wright problem. I can imagine the insider Dems are freaking out about that now.

  60. mj,
    You know, perhaps Brazile recognizes a formerly successful campaign going south. She’s got some experience in that business…

  61. MJ..that is a good point. Why not ask Donna why she is speaking disparagingly of Hillary when she declares herself neutral?

    Donna just yells at all Hillary suppporters. I have a mailbox full, even when I was nice.

    She is an angry woman. Her candidate is falling apart. I am sure that is painful for her as a Black woman on some level, but gee…she shuld have asked some questions. Did she really thing Rev Wright and Rezko were cool with Americans?

  62. “Why is Fox pushing this now? Too many Repugs being drawn to BO and that puts McCain at risk. Got to cut him off at the knees while there’s still time. He’s got the numbers flowing in his favor. They never expected he’d get this far.”

    B, I said on my blog last month:

    A bunch of stuff’s going on so it’s really hard to make sense of everything. The future needs to unfold more before a clearer picture can be seen.

    But I think a case can be made for–and I’ve tried to make a case for–one of two things being behind what the Republicans have been doing: 1) they want Obama as the nominee because they think they can beat him easier than Clinton, or 2) they want him as the nominee because he’s really a conservative* and having Obama vs. McCain or Obama vs. any other self-identifying Republican is a win-win situation for Reps no matter which one gets the presidency, as I’ve described in my main post above.

    Another thing: there’s the “we’ve created a monster” issue. Maybe the Republicans intended to run Obama in 2008/help him run; or to now vote for Obama in the primaries/caucuses for reason 1) above, but they became worried he’d be too popular at some point for McCain to beat him. So then they thought: if we possibly can’t beat him, join him. So they bought him off. People keep asking: where’s all Obama’s money been coming from since the beginning? I keep wondering the same.

    And that we’ve-created-a-monster thing could also kick in at any time in future, like if the Republicans perceived Obama was becoming too popular, thanks in part to the Republicans voting for him as an anti-Clinton vote, and Obama really isn’t allied with them, they’d start crushing him in favor of McCain.

    Anything could happen at this point. The Republicans might keep doing the same things, they might suddenly do the complete opposite, which would muddy trying to figure out what had been going on all along. But I do think they’ll keep trying to win at all costs.

    (*That Obama’s really not a progressive could also be behind the Republican support–in other words, the Republicans sense they won’t likely win the GE because of anti-Bush backlash, and they don’t want a truly PROGRESSIVE Democrat to win because progressives are a real threat to regressives. So they’ve been cheat-supporting an unprincipled Democrat who while he may not be allied with them or may not be a conservative in disguise, he’s also no real threat to them and the regressive policies Republicans stand for. Clinton, on the other hand, probably would be a threat there.)



    You know what, just to piss her ass off…lets all done TODAY

    Bambi is getting desperate…Brazil is up to her asshat tricks.

  64. Yes, he knows that he won’t win there. This is why he is in IN today and why he wasn’t in PA last week. Can someone tell me what states surround IN? What about the demographics?

    A Hillary upset in IN would be very good. I see that she will fight for it as she sent Mook there. We have to work hard to get that state.

  65. I had fun yesterday. I got in the mail a request to renew my membershp in the Democratic Party from the DNC. I tore it up in little pieces and mailed it back to them. 😆

    …and I don’t need them to tell me I’m a member or not! :mrgreen:

  66. ^^DONATE^^ today. damn, thinking about that asshat being so negative on Hillary makes me hit all the wrong keys.


  67. spacegirl,

    FWIW, After years as a freelance musician/performer, I finally went into teaching as a way to get a steady paycheck and benefits. In light of what’s happened with my health the past year and a half, it’s a darn good thing I did. it’s not fun being sick and taking meds but at least I have medical benefits accrued from 20 years as a teacher. If you are living alone, Space, I would urge you to take the job. I know you are a strong, healthy person but I think it’s wise to have something to fall back on.

    just my 2 cents.Y

  68. from a live blog on BO’s Indiana event

    HHe is even stealing Hillary’s line at the end.

    “WE are going to be actively campaigning in Indiana. We need people who are willing to get involved, to be our messengers out there. You’ve got to volunteer for us, make phone calls for us. This is your campaign. This is your chance to make your mark on history. Right now, right here. I don’t want to make huge promises, but I’ll promise you this: I am not a perfect man. I will not be a perfect president. I’ll always tell you what I think, and where I stand. I’ll be honest with you about the challenges we face. They’re difficult, but we can solve them if we come together. I’ll listen to you even when we disagree. And we’re going to disagree sometimes. We can disagree without being disagreeable. I will wake up every single day thinking about how to make your lives just a little bit better.”

  69. # basement angel Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 3:28 pm


    Why do you think Fox broke this story now? You know as well as I do that this must have been out there the whole time. Why now?


    Those speeches were purchased off of the TUCC website by Fox and ABC. I think they only recently became available because of Wright’s retirement.

  70. Brazille can blame FL, the RNC and the Supreme Court for Gore’s loss all she wants, but the truth of the matter is that if Gore had won his home state of TN, FL would not have mattered. It is inexcusable for a Presidential candidate not to win his own state. In this case TN 11 electoral votes would have given him 277 votes 7 more than he needed. Now I ask who ran Gore’s campaign????

  71. I’ve never gotten over Gore’s losing TN (and AR) in 2000.

    Donna B. was his campaign manager and wouldn’t let Bill Clinton campaign for Gore because she claimed the voters in OH wouldn’t vote for Gore if he did.

    Note, Hillary won *all three* states this year, with Bill campaigning for her.

  72. I will wake up every single day thinking about how to make your lives just a little bit better.”

    LOL, he really said that? Somehow I can’t picture Obama waking up and thinking about anybody . . . but himself.

  73. I hate to say it but I think the DNC and the Dems will do anything to prevent HRC’s nomination, including throwing the election to the repubs. Their primary goal is crushing the Clintons and sweeping them off the political map forever.

  74. terrondt,

    No worries about PA. I’m living in the Catskill version of PA and people who live in these rural areas will NEVER vote for BO.

  75. Is there some way to remove Dean, Brazile, etc., from their seats? For what my opinion’s worth, and it may not be worth much, I really think a repudiation of them/the DNC and Obama is crucial at this point because the republicans will be using Wright/Obama and the dem party’s attempts to disenfranchise Florida for Obama’s sake–I think the republicans will be using that to smear the whole Dem party in the GE. They won’t even have to lie there–they will only have to relay what has gone on these past few months from the DNC.

    Whenever I search Wright/Obama on technorati, I’m bombarded with right-wing sites ratcheting up their attacks on the left and liberals. Already Obama/Wright is being used to rally people against the dem party. I think the more this Obama madness continues the harder it will likely be for ANY dem to win anything.

    Dean et al. must be kicked to the curb; they’ve become a liability just like Obama.

  76. # mj Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Well, I really upset her. I didn’t mean to. I only thought she could cool temperatures. But she really virtually yelled at me.

    What did you tell her that made her upset?

  77. tiburones

    Indiana is right there next to Ohio. It’s demographics are similar, but I would say it’s a bit more conservative overall. Hillary should do well there and I know she will be campaigning there.

    I really expect to see some movement in the number in the next couple of days – from Bambi to Hillary. If it doesn’t happen, then there’s something seriously wrong with this country.

  78. Yep, stealing Hillary’s stump speech now.

    I notice he keeps sprinkling in “I’m not perfect” .. he’s trying to cushion the blow from the next big shoe to drop.

    Donna Brazil is pissing her pants cause she doesn’t know exactly what is going to come down the pike to drop on her “Dream” man next. Not a question of when, its how hard they decide to push it .. and she can’t control it.

    The resounding gong of the defeat drum once again .. hurts I bet .. but you know the DNC is to blame. It’s wrong to press the greenhorn with no vetting.

  79. Hillary is up today. She decreased his lead by closing 7pts

    Saturday, March 15, 2008

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton essentially even in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It’s Obama 46% Clinton 45% (see recent daily results). This reflects an unusually sharp change from yesterday’s results when Obama led by eight points and reached the 50% level of support for the first time. Daily tracking results are collected via nightly telephone surveys and reported on a four-day rolling average basis. Last night’s results were very favorable for Clinton and it remains to be seen whether this marks a lasting change in the race or is merely statistical noise. Single night results are based upon very small samples and are more volatile than the overall tracking poll.

  80. # basil9 Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    I hate to say it but I think the DNC and the Dems will do anything to prevent HRC’s nomination, including throwing the election to the repubs. Their primary goal is crushing the Clintons and sweeping them off the political map forever.

    There’s no question now that BHO is severely damaged. This is what SD’s were created for – and if they don’t have the guts to do their job and go with Hillary, then the Democratic Party will get what it deserves in the Fall.

  81. …So much of what’s gone on these past few months–what a waste, what a shame. The giant sham, people getting their hopes up about a no substance fake, the near-constant media nastiness toward Clinton, the hate from so many toward so many. I’m really exhausted. None of this stuff should have happened; America’s a mess.

  82. I basically said it was bs to argue that Hill has run a racist campaign. That the media is playing up tensions. That to say for example the 3am ad was racist, is loopy, because Hillary is running on her experience, her expertise and her relationships around the world. That when Hillary treats BO like an equal opponent, that that is the highest for of respect. That to say her win in NH, for example, as one pundit did, was the Bradley effect, is nonsensical. NH borders a state with a black Governor, and Hill won due to her strength in women voters. And, how could one come to the conclusion that white women were more racist than white males? It’s nonsensical. And, I thought as an african american, a woman, and a prominent Dem she should be cooling temperatures. I said I saw her as SOTBU, and there were a number of divisive and sexist remarks made about Hillary and she didn’t try to tone down the rhetoric, and when the media plays up racism, she doesn’t try to tone down the rhetoric, and also that Obama has used hurtful langauge, when he tells aa voters, not to be “hoodwinked”, “bamboozled” or played the old “hoke doke”. That I am a white woman and a Dem, so he could just as easily be talking about me, but I don’t presume him a racist. And, i just think all of this heated rhetoric, with the mostly white, elite male media playing it up, is harmful to our Party, and I thought she could help tone down the rhetoric, and I was disappointed she chooses not to. I said I was holding her responsible for not being one of the cooler heads because she is such a prominent female figure in the Party.

  83. In Gallup, she is also up from the previous day even though he is still ahead. I think that she closed his lead by 6pts. Look to the polls on Monday.

  84. plural Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    I’ve never gotten over Gore’s losing TN (and AR) in 2000.

    Donna B. was his campaign manager and wouldn’t let Bill Clinton campaign for Gore because she claimed the voters in OH wouldn’t vote for Gore if he did.

    Gore and Brazile’s fatal mistake was distancing themselves from Clinton IMHO he was not as disliked as they thought Should have used the clinton Economy and balanced budget to run on instead of hiding from Cintons good accomplishments

  85. Wow, what a republican 527 will do with Mr. Jeremiah Wright..start with God Bless America in the background .. show the beautiful morning on 9/11, children in playgrounds, people going about their normal everyday American lives


    flash a few images of 9/ some airplanes hitting into the twin towers…show the rubble and our firemen fighting to save lives .. scroll over to this spewing hatred from the pulpit with the date of 9/17 .. a day of mourning for our country and healing …. end with GodDamn America

    Voice over: Is this someone you want advising the next POTUS….


    Repubs have the goods now on Obama and if he is the nominee…hello President McCain

  86. Fran

    I can certainly relate to what you say. Super Tuesday seems like two years ago. But for some reason, it’s impossible to stay away from this wacky primary. The stakes are just too high.

  87. I think Obama need one more blow and he will be going down for sure. I think after PA – provided it will go for Hillary we will see some big changes. Obama will be pressed hard to either embrace the ticket possibility as a VP or will concede altogether and SD will be on her side – every candidate needs Big states – he only got potato and desert states with caucuses which are not going to be anywhere in the GE – it will be all primaries. His inabilities to get any of that with all the advantages he got – and I agree with Ferraro that he got a lot of them – demonstrates that he is weak candidate unable to win in November.

  88. If you want to be sick, head over to openleft and read “Barack Obama is a Dignitarian-And He Doesn’t Even Know It”

  89. I wonder how long the Rezko trial is supposed to last? I was watching a clip of the McLaughlin Group the other day and Pat Buchanan described how he thought Rezko might play out. He said that if Rezko is convicted, Patrick Fitzgerald will immunize him and try to get him to turn on Bambi. hehe Fitzgerald is a pretty gutsy prosecutor and I could see him doing that.

  90. mj, that’s excellent reasoning. I think she blew up at you because you’re making so much sense and she doesn’t want to accept what you say.

  91. Gore lost in 2000 because he refused to be seen with Bill Clinton. I voted for Al but it wasn’t with fondness. The absolute disdain that the Clintons receive from this party makespart of me wish for them to retire to an island somewhere, kick up their feet and say FUCK AMERICA ..

    We need their leadership too much however.

    Now the DNC has to wonder just when Miss Chelsea Clinton will decide to start the next generation of Clinton leadership.

    Pelosi and Brazill are a disgrace to the female population

  92. johnflint1985

    The scenario I hope to see. Hillary wins big in PA. Then with momentum, and Bambi losing support from Wright, she wins IN and NC both. I think that would finish him

  93. Just scanning blogs of Philadelphia newspapers, I have to say obama is finsihed. A few Obanatrons blaming Hillary for this being released but overall response is outrage.

    have to run to the store going to check NC blogs when I get back

  94. Yeah, Ben–the stakes are really high. That’s why I keep on with following this, but I’m reaching the point where I’m feeling the dem’s deserve what they will get. I meant what I said above: the longer this Obama madness is allowed to go on, the more I think it will hurt ANY dem’s chances, including Clinton’s.

    Could someone respond to my questions in that post and explain more about how the DNC works:

    Is there some way to remove Dean, Brazile, etc., from their seats? For what my opinion’s worth, and it may not be worth much, I really think a repudiation of them/the DNC and Obama is crucial at this point because the republicans will be using Wright/Obama and the dem party’s attempts to disenfranchise Florida for Obama’s sake–I think the republicans will be using that to smear the whole Dem party in the GE. They won’t even have to lie there–they will only have to relay what has gone on these past few months from the DNC.

    Whenever I search Wright/Obama on technorati, I’m bombarded with right-wing sites ratcheting up their attacks on the left and liberals. Already Obama/Wright is being used to rally people against the dem party. I think the more this Obama madness continues the harder it will likely be for ANY dem to win anything.

    Dean et al. must be kicked to the curb; they’ve become a liability just like Obama.

  95. Indiana looks to be a good state for HIll so why are the pundits saying that he is favored to win? They give her WV, KY and PA. They give him IN, NC and S Dakota. From the data below, it says that AA represents ~9%, Whites 88%, Hispanics 4.8%***********************************

    Info Further information Want more? Browse data sets for Indiana
    People QuickFacts Indiana USA
    Population definition and source info Population, 2006 estimate 6,313,520 299,398,484
    Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1 definition and source info Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2006 3.8% 6.4%
    Population definition and source info Population, 2000 6,080,485 281,421,906
    Persons under 5 years old, percent definition and source info Persons under 5 years old, percent, 2006 6.8% 6.8%
    Persons under 18 years old, percent definition and source info Persons under 18 years old, percent, 2006 25.0% 24.6%
    Persons 65 years old and over, percent definition and source info Persons 65 years old and over, percent, 2006 12.4% 12.4%
    Female persons, percent definition and source info Female persons, percent, 2006 50.7% 50.7%
    White persons, percent definition and source info White persons, percent, 2006 (a) 88.3% 80.1%
    Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2006 (a) 8.9% 12.8%
    American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2006 (a) 0.3% 1.0%
    Asian persons, percent definition and source info Asian persons, percent, 2006 (a) 1.3% 4.4%
    Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2006 (a) Z 0.2%
    Persons reporting two or more races, percent definition and source info Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2006 1.1% 1.6%
    Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent definition and source info Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2006 (b) 4.8% 14.8%
    White persons not Hispanic, percent definition and source info White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2006 83.9% 66.4%
    Living in same house in 1995 and 2000 definition and source info Living in same house in 1995 and 2000, pct 5 yrs old & over

  96. LOL

    wish they had a weblink to send them more info on Wright and Barack (NewsMax)

    look at the cover picture
    can’t imagine they are liking Mr. Wright’s message!


  97. Guys on CNN are making a big deal out of McCain’s numbers against Hillary and BHO.

    I’m telling ya, those numbers are not accurate, and it’s because of the intense Hillary/BHO battle. I know I’ve said this before, but I think it’s true.

    As a Hillary supporter, if you got polled on McCain/Obama, who would you hit the button for? A lot right now would hit the McCain button. And this works the other way as well. The result is that it artifically inflates McCain’s number

  98. they want him as the nominee because he’s really a conservative* and having Obama vs. McCain or Obama vs. any other self-identifying Republican is a win-win situation for Reps no matter which one gets the presidency, as I’ve described in my main post above.

    yes, either he’ll implode and lose the general big time, or he’ll win and go along to get along with gop and they’ll be able to push him around (already talk about putting gop in his cabinet plus all his economic advisors free market stuff etc) to dismantle whats left of the new deal.. if they lose this election to him they are ok with that, because he’ll be a weak president they can beat like carter next time around easy.

  99. I think most polls have been rigged, massaged, fudged, etc., for the past several years (favoring Bush, and now favoring Obama and/or McCain depending on who the media’s pushing for whatever current reason); at the least many pollsters may have mentally succumbed to propagandist media influences while doing analyses. I don’t trust their results at all.

  100. bye bye thugs,
    bye bye phoniness

    hello Hillary(ess)
    I think I’m gonna fly ay

    bye bye you thugs bye bye
    bye bye you thugs good bye ay

    ok it sucks but I tried

  101. Independent Ben
    I think all these bad news for Obama together with the PA loss will be should be more then enough for the SD to make up their mind FINALLY and vote for Hillary. The worse case scenario for her – she would have to accept him as a VP. (though after these connections I don’t see this as a winning card) the best – get rid of him altogether.

  102. Okay, this is alarming… ABCnews already has the BO/Wright story completely off the main page….! it’s gone.

    Please everyone! Keep stoking the flames…. everyone be sure to email the networks and demand the truth about whether BO was present at these sermons, and include the following excerpt for them to look into:


    “Wright laced into America’s establishment, blaming the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority
    for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers
    to the country as the “United States of White America.” Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded
    in apparent agreement as these statements were made.”


    here is a link for media (thanks to kaffeen):

    and here is a link to the SD’s (thanks to basil9):

    Please SPEAK YOUR MIND to the MEDIA and SD’s!!

  103. I think Clinton’s even talking about Barack Hugeliability Obama being VP at this point would be insanity. And I don’t think she’s insane.

    No VP, no nothing. I think he’s finished. I also think he’s a crackpot, as I’ve suspected and suggested all along. This thing with Wright has only confirmed my suspicions.

  104. Here’s some demographics for NC, from SUSA that had Bambi up 49-41%

    Women 51%
    Men 49%

    White 61%
    Black 32%
    Hispanic 4%

    This poll has Obama winning women 47-44% – I think Hillary can change that number.
    Obama is winning Blacks 78-15% so I’m sure he’ll play the Bamboozle card or something to increase that.
    It won’t be easy but Hillary can be competitive here.

  105. the shopping around by BFF Brazill is nothing more than trying to panic Hillary supporters. They want us to roll over and accept that bamboozler .. not in my lifetime.

    What the dumb fcuk doesn’t realize is the more they holler broke, the more her supporters will pony up, we believe in loyalty and we got her back.

    Donate .. Donate .. Donate

  106. Some people here are unfortunately still flying the confederate flag on their trucks; they’re a small number of people but they’re still here. I would say thanks to Wright’s video’s, NC is more likely Clinton’s win.

    Like I’ve said, these past few months have been repugnant in so many ways….



  108. I’m curious about the Obama camp fundraisiing. They are usually bragging about it every day. After spending big and losing in Ohio and Texas -and now the Wright thing – I wonder if their fundraising has dropped off.

  109. That 32% AA population is a problem. She will either have to make inroads to get her vote up to around 15-18%, or have the AA vote depressed or/and win the white vote in high %s i.e 70% or more.

    NC is a challenge. I would say that she has more of a chance to win IN. That would be WV, IN, KY and PA if she could pull them off. She will win PA and she seems to be all over the state. I’m hoping that she can get a 12-15pt spread there.

  110. tiburones

    To win NC, Hillary would need some big Momentum out of PA, along with some drop off of Bambi’s support. Both are possible

  111. Ben: I thought the same thing, has the $$ gone away, IMO, I think it is getting harder for him to get big donors.

  112. I think his support has already dropped off–it started before the Wright thing as the Obama cult mania died some, but the drop-off’s likely been accelerating in the past few days. I’ve seen at least several postings from his supporters saying the Wright thing has pushed them away/is pushing them away when I’d rarely seen that stuff before.

  113. JOHN FLINT,
    its something they used against her not him…

  114. Fran, plus today’s Rasmussen daily tracking poll shows a 7-point swing to Hillary from yesterday’s poll. I hope that continues

  115. You know, I’m wondering. Maybe the Obama camp actually doesn’t have the money right now to campaign all over PA. Hmm, maybe he’s saving up to go into Philly and do one big rally, then play the race card or something.

  116. skmf12
    EXACTLY -so i think the way to go is – to push story with his terrorism connection. it is very little known and if it will becomre widely discussed – after 9.11 – you are finished

  117. wonder what SNL is going to do tonight – I think they’ll skip the Clinton and BO characters and go straight to lampooning Ogremann and CNN. I’d love to see them lampoon DailyKos, but that’ll only drive up interest in the site.

  118. If we’re really sneaky, maybe we could get Gerry Ferraro to come out the day before PA, and play the gender card somehow. 😉 I bet she’d do it.

  119. Independent Ben
    he will get money by then. I think he will go to Europe and Israel right now to build himself some sort of international standing. Also to calm fears of Jewish voters.
    I said this before and will say this again – no disrespect to any AA hear – Hillary should stop wasting time and money in this community – nothing will come from there. Concentrate somewhere else.

  120. InInla .. be sure HRC keeps her evening slots open for town hall statewide time the night before the primary in PA, NC and IN…rumor mill is that bambi will be copying her strategy

  121. lninla – come to think of it, the Bambi camp has been strangely silent about fundraising ever since Ohio and Texas. Very strange. You know if they were pulling in big bucks, they’d be boasting – and the media would be reporting it every hour.

  122. So is getting rid of Dean and other dem powers-that-be liabilities a possibility or not? Could this be done? I’m afraid getting rid of BO is not enough at this point with respect to the general election.

    So long Obama, so long Dean!

  123. tiburones — 1) IN borders IL, and so certain areas have been getting lots of positive BO coverage since 2004. 2) state is so Republican, that 8% black probably means at least 15% in a Dem primary. 3) Finally, the only poll taken thus far (2/17) in IN has BO w/ a 15pt lead, 40-25 w/ a large nr of undecideds. BO led in all categories except white women, where HRC had a slim lead. So that’s why the pundits are assuming it’s a BO state.

  124. johnflint1985,

    I disagree, john. She has to keep trying. It will make things better when Bambi implodes and she has to put the party back together. She has to keep letting the AA community know their votes are important to her.

  125. john, I disagree. Hillary needs to continue to remind the AA community what her vision is, remind them of what the prior adm did for them. Obambi is not going to get 100% of the AA support .. this Wright video will hurt him in that community as well. That church IMO is not the normal and they may choose to reevaluate the whole “new good guy” image thing that is simply a fraud

  126. Tib, thanks for the link. I got one posted on the Rezko story, but the other got caught in the spam filter for review. The one about Wright and the NewsMax story

  127. Fran Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    “Is there some way to remove Dean, Brazile, etc., from their seats?”

    I’ve been thinking about the SDs and their roll in all of this. If they don’t start denouncing this candidate and renouncing their endorsements of this man then this just makes them as culpable for his crimes as he is. If they can look the voters in the eye, with a straight face, and say that they don’t think Wright, Rezko, Naftagate, et al are any big deals, then they are just as corrupt.

  128. John, I too believe you are wrong. There are many AA supporters of Hillary. She is a President for ALL Americans and needs to keep that message prominent.

  129. JanH

    Also don’t forget that Obama is likely planning on winning this by disenfranchising FL and MI

  130. John…there are no PROVES ties to terrorists for Obama. If there are nefarious dealings with Middle Eastern Business people, that is NOT unnecessarily TERRORISTS, IMO that is a BAD BAD “story to push”.

    Rezko trial will bring up all the demons over time. BO does enough stupid shit. We don’t need to make any up.

  131. Exactly, Jan–and people shouldn’t think the republicans won’t use this stuff to smear any democrat because they most certainly will, IMO at least. The dem party should have NEVER let this Obama insanity go on for so long. The longer it goes on, the worse the dems look, especially with this Wright thing now on top of the attempts at voter disenfranchisement. This stuff should be obvious to the party. Like, duh.

    As I’ve said, stop the democratic bleed now!

  132. I don’t know how to do that, Ben, I thought maybe others would. I don’t know much about the inner workings of the democratic party as I’ve never followed that much. I only joined recently so I can vote for Clinton. Beyond that, The Misogynist Party can go screw itself.

  133. Well folks, one thing we HAVE learned is that the MSM is COMPLETELY CORRUPT.

    I don’t EVER want to hear them whine about RW Talk radio again. They are EXACTLY the same.

    Let the Fairness Doctrine stand. Somewhere in the middle is th truth.

    Thank God for the internet, as someone earlier said.

  134. “Stop the democratic bleed now” by sending thunderous emails to all of the SD’s about Obama and Wright, disenfranchising voters, etc… don’t let up…just keep doing it! Send videos, send the kitchen sink. Let the SDs know that the voters aren’t happy campers and that this CAN’T BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG ANYMORE!

  135. Greetings all…

    I’ve been away for a couple of weeks for work but Im back on line now….

    I sense a real turn-around coming. Hillary is a rock and bambi is a twig waiting to snap.

    The contradictions are catching him on his heels: ‘A different kind of politician’- except for that Rezko fundraising thing. ‘Community organizer’ – except the community was where the Rezko the developer froze the tenants to death. ‘A true christian’- except his pastor is one race-baiting ranting sermon shy of being insane. ‘A uniter- not a divider’ – except for Florida and Michigan.


    comptence NOT contradictions.

  136. My support for any other democrat right now hinges on my support for Clinton. How she’s ultimately treated by the dem party will partly determine my final feelings toward that party.

    So far, the dem party has disgusted me. Will it continue down that path or will it finally pull its head out of its collective ass and boot Obama out already?

  137. Spacegirl,

    I started this morning, had to do errands, will start again later. Not sure if they care about a Canadian’s point of view, but I am trying anyway. 🙂

  138. dot48 & Independent Ben
    I wish you were right. But look – just less then a week ago – Mississippi – 93% of AA went to him. So at thins point strategy should be based on another groups. If she has extra money and time and election don’t go really close- she can try to make inroads into his base. But we should understand – it is his base, his firewall. So to do this – she should be so much ahead and he should be so hammered down by the bad news that I hardly see this coming. Money will be a huge problem in Pennsylvania – advertising is very expensive there especially in AA areas – they live predominantly in Pittsburg and Phila. It is big cities – so to run an advertising there – requires too much resources.

  139. SpacegirlArt
    I meant not middle east terrorists – but our own Bill Ayers and his group. It is significant
    and the word terrorist alone – means a lot

  140. Mississippi and other Southern States and Urban Big City areas are a lot AA, but remember, despite what MO and JW would like you to believe, there are MILLIONS of Middle Class and Upper Middle Class and POOR AA’s who probably DON’T Identify with BO. I wouldn’t lump them into one basket entirely.

    I have to take the dog out for a bit.

    Back in a while

  141. Some people here are unfortunately still flying the confederate flag on their trucks

    Another ignorant thing I wish would just stop. We fly a confederate flag at our house. I’m bi-racial. So why do we do it? Because 1). my husbands great great grandfather was killed in the Civil War, and 2). Because the damned civil war wasn’t ABOUT slavery. It was ABOUT the federal government coming into states and telling them what they could and couldn’t do. Very few southerners who fought could even afford slaves. They fought because they felt they had a right rule their own states or leave the union. The civil war was about STATES RIGHTS. Period.

    People don’t know their history. Seriously. 🙄

  142. I understand now John, and I agree the Ayers thing should be a bit more “out there” because you can believe FOX and McCain’s 527’s will use it. But it SHOULD be a concern, dammit..this man bombed the Pentagon for god’s sake. Now he’s teaching, and not in jail because of an FBI screw up.

    That is THE reason. And now he is chums with the man who wants the Whitehouse. CERTAINLY people are starting to see the picture!


  143. Oh, and I forgot more BO contradictions:

    ‘I’m against NAFTA’- except don’t tell the Canadians.
    ‘I’m going to end the war in Iraq’- except maybe I’m only fibbing and I wont end it.
    I’m going to bring peace to the middle east’- except I might nuke Pakistan.

    BO is all about contradictions. That’s why those of us on this board, and elsewhere, see him as what he is- a fake. Hillary may not everything exactly right all the time for everyone (though I think she does) but she does not pretend to be someone she is not. Hillary is real. She does not put on airs.

    That’s what I tell voters when Im phone banking and they respond to it.

  144. whoever got that email from Donna that says Hillary is $ shy .. call HRC in Washington…they need to know what Donna is sending over the internet .. also, someone tell them to put up a new $GoalBox … show that byotch Donna .. lie on Hillary and we will bombard her with funds LOL

  145. SpacegirlArt
    OK, let’s not pout all of then together – but we still have to SPEND BIG TO BE ABLE TO REACH THEM. So far I saw she tried to do this 3 or 4 times after SC and every time this gamble went down in flames. It is time to write this group off until he is gone. Once he is – then and only then AA community will be wide open for grabs. Not that I want this – it is just a reality.

  146. A place called Blogs For John McCain has the Newsmax story of Obama’s day in church. Wonder if anyone is going to push this up to national press?

  147. Ben, I have pushed it to Jake Tapper at ABC and a BUNCH of papers in Indiana. I think Basil was working on it or Monkey Business, but I will send to AP/Reuters when I come back in.

    Also sent it to the campaign…ours! LOL


    Bill Clinton: Green can be key to New Orleans’ future

    NEW ORLEANS – Former President Bill Clinton said energy efficient, green building can be a key part of New Orleans’ comeback from Hurricane Katrina.

    Clinton, here for a gathering of college students as part of his Clinton Global Initiative University, said the city’s history and culture, combined with a commitment to a sustainable economic future, would allow for “the complete ascendancy, its return, as the most unique city in the country.”

    Mayor Ray Nagin said Clinton _ who in 2006 named the New Orleans metro area as part of his Clinton Climate Initiative focused on addressing global warming _ has been providing advice on how best to move forward from the August 2005 storm. He called Clinton a friend and “wonderful man.”

    The city has pledged to follow what Nagin in January called a “greening road map,” a 10-year plan that he said would, among other things, incorporate so-called green technology and building techniques into the repairs of city buildings damaged by Katrina. Nagin also has said he’s committed to green living in his personal life, taking steps including having solar panels installed at his home.

    Clinton said a focus on green rebuilding is key and that his goal for the city is to parlay the idea of sustainable building into economic development _ creating five to six years worth of work, and what he called good jobs, focused on making buildings throughout New Orleans more energy efficient and environmentally friendly.

    “The way to really get New Orleans all the way back and all the way back in a hurry is to rebuild in the right way and make it a long-term, 5- to 6-year commitment, to create a much higher base level of jobs through this whole energy efficiency” endeavor, he said.

    On Sunday, Clinton is scheduled to appear with actor Brad Pitt, who’s leading an effort aimed at building affordable, energy efficient homes in the hard-hit, slow-to-rebound Lower 9th Ward.

    A focus on Saturday was on the role young people can play in effecting change, in New Orleans and beyond, with issues ranging from global warming to poverty and AIDs. Hundreds of college students, from 40 states and 15 countries, were being represented at the conference, Clinton said.

    “I think those of you who are here are here because you want to change the world and you know you can,” he told the opening session. “And if you can do something, it imposes a particular responsibility on you.”

  149. Friday, March 14, 2008

    Race and the Democrats, Part IV [Victor Davis Hanson]

    —The modified hang-out, and the modified modified hangout

    Despite the serial profession of a new politics, there is something Nixonian about Obama’s recent disclaimers over his racist pastor’s diatribes. At first he tried to blame the messenger:

    “Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor.”

    The problem is not cherries, Senator, but an entire orchard. The most egregious slurs are not from two decades past, but post 9/11 and especially in 2006. And Obama should have learned from Nixon that when there is something there, it is best to get out in front of it in a manner that anticipates more disturbing revelations. Yet the modified hangout then followed;

    “It’s a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.”

    This is a de facto defense of, not a distancing from, Wright, and begs the question of why? And the AIDs evocation is especially damning since the reverend has made it clear that HIV was our own creation, apparently part and parcel of some US government conspiracy. Is Obama now suggesting that Wright did important civic work with AIDs even though he promulgated a belief that the virus was fabricated by our own government? And then comes the modified modified hangout:

    “But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.”

    That makes it even worse, because now Obama hints that he might have been in fact aware of the Wright rhetoric, but gave him a pass because he was “on the verge of retirement,” as if the albatross were about to disappear anyway, and with it the cause of prior embarrassment. And the evocation of his marriage and his children’s baptisms in such an extremist landscape should not be cited as reasons to stay in it, but rather should have been evoked as causes why he should get out—and not have his family further tainted by it. And it goes on and on:

    “And while Rev. Wright’s statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.”

    “Judgment” is the wrong word here, because the entire Wright liaison is proof positive of terrible judgment. And the problem is not judging Sen. Obama “on the basis of what someone else said”, but on the basis of his own generous subsidies to someone who spewed forth not mere speech, but hate speech.

    And when Obama announces, “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” he only will prompt investigative reporters to rush to substantiate whether the Senator was there when any of this calumny was preached, or has given a hint that he was aware of it in the past. No doubt every word he has written, interview he has given, and people he has talked with will be examined to see whether that astounding statement is in fact true. For some strange reason, Obama has now banked his entire campaign on his word and assurance that he did not hear on a single occasion any such screed.

    I hope he is correct. But if one were to collate the reverend’s views on what his congregation should think of the United States, and, further, his writs against Americans as “selfish, self-centered egotists who are arrogant and ignorant” with Michelle Obama’s own astounding statements that hitherto she had no pride in the United States, and considered America “just downright mean,” and Americans “guided by fear” and (in the words of the New Yorker profiler) who summed up her views as ‘we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents’ the echoes are eerie.

    Without sounding dramatic, I think his campaign has seriously underestimated the effect of the Wright tapes on the average American voter (again, the problem is not just the transcript, but the delivery, most notably its fury and coarseness), and the senator’s own abject inability honestly and forthrightly to explain the close relationship of the Obamas to Reverend Wright, apologize for such a lapse of judgment, and move on. His advisors are culpable here, and apparently in their spin have no clue that they are making things worse rather than better.

    Instead, we have heard first “cherry-picking” and then that the reverend does not represent his own views, but not a hint of contrition for an association with such a demagogue and hate-monger. I think this will not go away, and ultimately damage Obama beyond repair, for it strikes at the heart of his very candidacy—that he was a healer who has transcended racial divides, and was introducing a new credo of transparent and painfully forthright politics. The Wright scandal and his reaction thus far belie both. This was precisely why Hillary stayed in the race, and mirabile dictu, perhaps what she imagined would eventually transpire.

    Whatever one’s views, this is both a travesty and a tragedy.

  150. i DUNN! you are exactly right!

    I know, but I rarely argue with people about it, because it’s pointless. We have a very dear friend, H.K. Edgerton (used to be the President of the NAACP) who argues this stuff all the time. People call him every name in the book, because he’s AA and proud of his confederate ancestors. Listen, HK is far more brilliant that I could ever hope to be, and he can’t talk sense into these people, so I KNOW my chances of doing so are slim.

    And he loves me…calls me his “sweet baby” even though I’m technically a yankee.;)

  151. I just want to post something positive and to remind folks that Bill and Hillary Clinton have many, many friend in the African Amerian Community…and that lying pig Obama hasn’t done a thing for us…so for all his hate speach Rev. Wright wants to promote and Obama endorsed just remember WORDS WITHOUT ACTION is OBAMA’S M.O.

  152. Anyway, got sidetracked and forgot what I originally came in here to say.

    Don’t ask me how I know it, but I’d almost be willing to bet the farm that in the next day or two, we are going to hear some entirely new news story that is gonna finish Bambi off for good.

    Call it…womans intuition. 😉

  153. No matter what, Obama will never be able to shake the “God damn America” statement. And the voters don’t forget.

  154. Well, my argument with Donna continues. She said the “Clintons” have run a terrible campaign. Asked me why she always has to apologize to black americans. I said she doesn’t have to. She just does because she doesn’t want anyone to feel alienated or offended. I said there is no benefit for Hill in losing her african american base. Only Obama has and could benefit from that. Strangely she asked me why BO has to apologize for his pastor. I said what the heck does that have to do with Hill? Anyway, unproductive.

  155. interesting….

  156. The Voters Don’t forget…HELL the REPUBLICANS WON’T FORGET. Those ads are coming up and right wing radio will be trumpeting it’s National Defense plan all the way to the bank…with photos and videos of Obama inside the church.

    You don’t ask that question if you don’t have the goods…but remember too many high level DEMS have taken a seat on the Obama train.

  157. Oh, I also wanted to comment on Bambi saying that his church is inclusive and welcoming of white people.

    Ummm…does he REALLY think any white person would sit in a pew on sunday morning, while a black minister accused them of planting aids in the black community, or oppressing blacks , and be comfortable there?? Who the fuck do these people think they are kidding with that shit??

    Would any self respecting person of color sit silently in their pew week after week if they went to a predominantly white church who’s minister accused black people of bringing crime into white neighborhoods to kill off the white man?? Didn’t think so.

  158. We are stuck with Dean until his term runs out in January or February. The ironic thing is he claims his 50 state stategy will work, yet you need money to pull it off. The DNC’s fund raising is in shabbles. When Terry McAuliffe was Chairman the DNC raise over half a billion dollars from 2001 to 2005 (535 million). How much has the DNC rasied during you tenure Dr Dean???

  159. Strangely she asked me why BO has to apologize for his pastor

    He doesn’t have to apologize. That’s something he’s CHOOSING to do to hide his own true feelings.

    Personally, his apology doesn’t mean shit to me anyway. You don’t stay in a hate based church like that for 20 years unless you agree with the hate. Sorry, but thems the facts jack.

  160. Last week’s cable TV ratings:

    FOXNEWS O’REILLY 2,979,000
    FNC HANNITY/COLMES 2,280,000
    FNC GRETA 1,896,000
    CNN KING 1,640,000
    FNC HUME 1,530,000
    CNN COOPER 1,417,000
    FNC SHEP 1,392,000
    CNN DOBBS 1,057,000
    MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,001,000
    CNNHN GRACE 605,000
    MSNBC HARDBALL 507,000

  161. Wow…some true colors showing all over the place these days:

  162. WTF!!!!!

    Is the Wright thing already history?????

    Who’s going to resurrect it?

    How can the DNC and the Dems ignore the implications of a potential president’s Pastor reciting Islamic terrorist propaganda at weekly sermons attended by said nominee for the past 20 years?

    How is this NOT a front page story?

    I used to live in an area of NJ where several of the WTC hijackers had set up camp. A mile from my house was the office where they got their passports. On the way to work every day I passed the apartment building where one of the hijackers had lived. I watched the WTC buildings burn from a summit 20 miles west of Manhattan from which I could see the entire Manhattan skyline. I am not the most patriotic person, the most gung-ho American person in the country, but those images and those facts and the sheer proximity of these people made me reconsider a lot of my former positions. The biggest Muslim community in the country was minutes from my house.

    If I’m concerned about the Wright/Farrakhan/Ayers/Obama connection, what about the so-called real true-blue politicians??????

    The neighborhood postal clerk told me a story about pictures of planes ramming the WTC circulated in the post office around 1999 during a routine terror-watch training session. She then realized she might have confided too much (this was days after the attacks) but I assured her I wouldn’t discuss the matter with anyone in the PO.

    Several of the hijackers underwent flight training at nearby community airports. A couple of days before the attack I was walking my dog at a nearby park and a very low-flying plane passed over me a half dozen times. It was so unusual I considered calling local law enforcement but then figured I’d exaggerated the import. A couple of days later the planes struck the Towers.

    I am far from a fear-monger, an alarmist, but this entire primary seems like it’s headed for something really ominous.

  163. Fox has promised to keep digging. Mr. O said he didn’t hear any of Wright’s diatribe…
    Fox said they were going to check it out.

  164. mj .. please contact the campaign with this stuff.

    As to his need to apologize .. he chose to do that and since this so called pastor is on his campaign and has been his spiritual advisor for 20 years .. well — the hate speech speaks for itself and I couldn’t sit in my church if my WHITE pastor talked about America and AA like that

    See, that is what Donna doesn’t get … after I watched that AA forum the other day, a lot of African Americans still have a huge chip on their shoulder. Donna SHOULD be proud of her accomplishments and those of Hillary .. instead she wants to grudgematch with people over email .. versus trying to PartyBuild.

    Puke icon again :puke:

  165. Idunn Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
    Wow…some true colors showing all over the place these days:



  166. There is no way that Obama can win in November with the Wright stuff available for making ads. It’s over for him.

    The question now is this: Will the Dem ‘leaders’ figure that out, or do they intend to try to take their voters down with them in a sea of over-eager Clinton-hating egos who chose poorly?

    I never felt Obama could defeat McCain, but if we nominate him now, with all this garbage from Wright out there, we could be looking at Reagan-Mondale II.

    Our ‘leaders’ better make the right choice, and right now.

  167. graphic content…


    FYI HO: “Fuck you and the Bitch (your mother) that had you.”

    Now how’s that for free speech, silly dumb ass HO?


    is this called “self destruct”?

  168. Debbie, that letter writer would REALLY hate me, since both my father AND my husband are white.

    Ummm at least once a day…I su…smo…swa…nevermind. 😉

  169. Lord, I will fall to my knees and rejoice as I have never rejoiced if God will only put that tape of Bambi saying “fuck the white man” into our out stretched hands.

  170. I just did today. Someone here posted her email. I won’t again. I told her I’d just let it be since she is determined to believe such awful things about Hill.

  171. mj: Asked me why she always has to apologize to black americans.

    Probably because the Democrats always pressure her to.

  172. today the tornadoes and the crane crash in New York have taken up a lot of political talk.

    Do not fret. This ain’t over. There is going to be another shoe to drop. Donna Brazil is very frightened and she should be 😆

    The rumormill she is spreading points her bias more and how uncouth she is.

  173. Donna Brazil is very frightened and she should be

    Maybe because she knows that *someone* has actually gotten their hands on the “fuck the white man” tape and is ready to let it fly? LMAO!

  174. Idunn, do you think a tape like that really is out there? How could they prove it was BO?

    I don’t see what it will do to forward my emails. She doesn’t overtly say she is for BO.

  175. this supposed story to break mon “fuc the whites”-i mean how do we know if there is any validity to it/ couldnt it be a crackpot sayign this stuff?

  176. The Beltway Boys discussing HRC playing the race card. :PUKE:. I just emailed them about their misrepresentation of the facts regarding the BO photo and pointed out it had been in the public domain for 2 years.

  177. Pelosi has what Limbaugh calls the “Queen Bee” syndrome; she doesn’t want HRC anywhere near the White House, so she gets to stay “Granny Surrender Biotch” with no other females to crowd her space.

    Eff her, and Donna B.

  178. Idunn, do you think a tape like that really is out there?

    I have no idea. But it sure wouldn’t surprise me. 😉

    How could they prove it was BO?

    Maybe it’s video tape. 😉

  179. Juan Williams calling out BO

    Idunn..your point about white people being “welcome” in Wrights’ church is a GREAT point.


    YOu need to send that question to your new BFF Donna :slighted:

  180. hashshs rush is tearing up cooper…

    Who tends to veer off? What was she saying? I don’t know what she was saying. All I know is that Anderson Cooper is just depressed to have to be talking about this, “Yeah, it’s bubbled up in the campaign. Why do we have to talk about this?” So it’s interesting to see what news judgment is up there in the Drive-Bys. You know, if you were the New York Times or if you were CNN, you might hold this until three days before the election if it were about a Republican. That’s generally the way they play it. I wonder, did Anderson Cooper complain about all of the last-minute stories on George W. Bush and the National Guard? When was the last news story CNN carried that Anderson Cooper was distressed having to discuss? How about 1992, CNN, when Gary Sick, Columbia professor comes out with the book on October Surprise; Bush 41 was involved with holding the hostages in Iran! The New York Times, the night before or the weekend before the election, we got the story about Bush and the DWI. When’s the last time any of these people in the Drive-By Media got all upset about the news they had to report? Were you upset about having to talking about Mark Foley? Were you upset about having to talk about Macaca all season long, Anderson?

  181. does anyone recall this scene from ” A Few Good Men” Demi Moore defense, Kevin Bacon prosecutor,
    J. A. Preston judge

    43) PROSECUTOR Dr. Stone, you’ve held a license to practice medicine for 21 years, you are Board Certified in Internal Medicine, you are the Chief of Internal Medicine at a hospital which serves over 8000 men. In your professional opinion, was Willy Santiago poisoned?

    DEFENSE: Your Honor, we re-new our objection to Commander Stone’s testimony, and ask that it be stricken from the record. And we further ask that the Court instruct the jury to lend no weight to this testimony.

    JUDGE. The objection’s overruled, counsel.

    DEFENSE. Sir, the defense strenuously objects and requests a meeting in chambers so that his honor might have an opportunity to hear discussion before ruling on the objection.

    JUDGE. The objection of the defense has been. heard and overruled.

    DEFENSE: Exception.

    JUDGE. Noted. The witness is an expert and the court will hear his opinion.

    Well sometimes I feel like Demi Moore, fighting the media!!!

  182. MJ,

    You should ask Donna when is she going to retire since she like to throw that card out…is it after her “boo” loses?

  183. so we say rush is patriot and cooper is slime ball hahaha 🙂

    anderson cooper have some backbone you idot… 🙂

  184. Um, Idunn, I’m not ignorant of history, nor do I see things absolutely or dogmatically. Flying that flag can mean many things. You see it one way, others see it another way. There’s no all-knowing god on a mountain I know of who’s defined that flag for good. I don’t think you should speak for others on it, which you sound like you’re trying to do. Nor are the dogmatic pronouncements on the civil war in your post necessarily true simply because you’ve said them. I think what the civil war was about is also open to debate. It wasn’t necessarily about states rights or slavery only: it could have been about BOTH things, and other things too, and I think it probably was about multiple issues.

    The people I usually see flying the flags around here–it isn’t about states rights for them. I can tell by looking at their overall behavior. That flag usually isn’t the only thing on their trucks or persons that gives them away. In my opinion, flying that flag in public places is like an obnoxious declaration. Seeing it seems to hurt some people. Attaching this to a truck and swerving around with it in parking lots—these people want to hurt others by flying it, in my opinion. At the least, their flying that flag seems insensitive.

    I’ve posted a lot here today, but that one sentence gets jumped on like this? I leave here for a bit, come back and get the same-old with someone trying to make me look bad. I’m going back to my own places again.

  185. bloggers are bashing BO for his unity soeech in IN… they advised him just shut the fxxxk up while he can… 🙂

  186. Donna gets VERY defensive when Bambi is tanking. Remember before Texas and Ohio. It’s a pattern. I assure you that I would vote for an AA, if he or she were the right candidate and were qualified. I would not vote for a woman or THIS woman if I did not feel she was qualified.

    I resist the party trying to force feed me Barack Hussein Obama. Donna knows this video of the man who has had a major influence in Obamas life for over 20 years will shine deep into Obama’s own soul ..

    Not one video, not one sermon but 20 years … I am very interesting in seeing the rest of what is going to be presented to us.

    A “I’m so sorry but my pastor doesn’t REALLY hate America” from Obama doesn’t wash with me … and it won’t wash for the rest of America.

    Another shoe will drop … look out Donna — get your helmet

  187. Anderson Cooper’s “DISTRESS” at having to cover the JW story.

    RUSH: Anderson Cooper, host of Anderson Cooper 180 on CNN — just distressed as hell, terribly upset that this Jeremiah Wright story is even out there — had this exchange with Gloria Borger.

    COOPER: It’s also frustrating just from a news standpoint because on the one hand people talking about it, it’s clearly an issue that’s bubbling up on the campaign trail so we end up covering it.

    BORGER: Sure.

    COOPER: At the same time it does feel just completely off track and — and there have been other issues in this campaign which have just felt completely off track from — from the real differences between these candidates, the real issues. It — it’s frustrating that yet again that we seem to be mired in this politics as usual.

    BORGER: Right, but presidential candidates are —

    COOPER: And — and — that’s why —

    BORGER: They’re about character also.

    COOPER: Right.

    BORGER: They’re about issues, and they’re about who these people are, which is why sometimes they do tend to veer off.

  188. Basil…did you send NewsMax to AP and Reuters and CNN and others?

    I sent to a BUNCH of Indiana papers


    OMG… read the blogger commetns… they are just blasting bamabi if he ever try to give speeches… bambi just shut the fxxxk up.. you are raising my BP… 🙂

  190. He is never going to talk his way out of this. Known the man 20 years, had him marry him, baptise his children, is his spiritual mentor, advisor, loves him like an uncle and never knew this guy hates the USA, hates whites and probably hates just about everyting except himself. Sorry Barack, I just don’t believe you.

    hahahahahaha 🙂

  191. spacegirl,

    i’m still ‘composing’ my letter in my head. I’m not sure of how to best present the point in an efficient, succint way. But I will send something out by tomorrow in time for Monday’s news.

    What did your letter say? Can you post it?

  192. He’s slamming forces of division after listening to this hate monger for 20yrs. the guy is an absolute fake. Obama you’ve been exposed through your spiritual leader.

  193. I leave here for a bit, come back and get the same-old with someone trying to make me look bad.

    I wasn’t trying to make you look bad, Fran. Although, after re-reading my post, I can certainly see how you might have thought it was aimed at you personally. It wasn’t. I have an unfortunate tendency to reply to thoughts expressed in a post as if I’m replying to a GROUP of people who feel a certain way, rather than the individual poster.

    I apologise if my post came across as some sort of attack on you. Sincerely. Wasn’t my intent at all.

  194. Jit…don’t get too giddy about Rush or Hannity or others. They are doing the things that will benefit them, and they are helping us here. But just REMEMBER they will turn on “the Clinton’s” on a dime when they have to. just KNOW THAT emotionally, so you (and we) will not feel betrayed by our new “allies”

  195. Jit…don’t get too giddy about Rush or Hannity or others.

    Or Pat B. either…cause he’s mine. 🙂

  196. Universal Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Pelosi has what Limbaugh calls the “Queen Bee” syndrome;

    rush was funny as hell about this the other day…said he is going to play a BEE BUZZ in the background every time he does a story on Pelosi! ROFLMAO!

  197. Oh–okay, Idunn.

    Doesn’t sound like you really accept my apology, Fran. That’s your right, of course. But it was sincere, none the less.

  198. Idunn….we can share.

    No way. Get your own pot bellied, balding conservative, Spacegirl. Pat’s mine!

  199. Who is this eriposte on He’s a brilliant blogger whose done a series of blogs dissecting the disparities btw how bloggers and the media treats Hillary and BO. His blogs are always a must read, yet, theleftcoaster doesn’t get the audience it deserves.

    Is he an insider?

  200. what happend in IOWA… did we get more suppoprt at delegate cfonvention… hope none of BO’ delegates turned up … or they support hillary now out of humiliation hahahaha 🙂

  201. ok Idunn you get Pat B, Mary Matlin is mine!!

    If we get women too, I’m snagging Coulter. She’s hot…in a bony, crazy , could kill you in your sleep, kinda way. 😉

  202. Obama Sends Pastor to Background
    by Delores Williams
    March 15, 2008 06:20 PM EDT (Updated: March 15, 2008 06:24 PM EDT) rating: 10/10 (1 vote)
    Ok, so Obama has finally dismissed his pastor from his team. It took an ABC report of the evident racist, hateful words of the Pastor to do it. That leads me to a few observations and questions.

    In 20 years Obama has managed to miss EVERY controversial sermon that Wright has preached. Is that an absence of convience, preplanned, or did he just skip church alot?

    He defended him at first, but now says the comments are “appalling.” Maybe Obama is charismatic, but slow to catch on to realities. He’s likeable, but he always has an excuse about how his Mentor(Wright) and former client (but avid fundraiser for ALL his campaigns, Pezco) never did anything in front of him. I find that just a little to convenient. Or, if you want to believe the fairy dust version, he is one hell of a lucky guy.

    The thing is that I think he did know and purposely took action to be away from it when necessary. You know kind of hidden. Now he has sent his Pastor to the background, but trust and believe that he will still be “advising” him.

    My other observation is that Obama is loyal to all the wrong people. He is loyal to people who are using him for what his position can do for them. He keeps questioning Hillary’s judgment on the war, but I question his judgment on people.

    Am I being too harsh?

  203. ^just a hunch, but it could have been Gore had a rep as such a white-bread starched shirt kind of guy – the antithesis of BC – that he needed someone to coach him on being a common man. It didn’t work. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

    I just checked Amazon and Ebay for old books by Wright. It may pay off to read his sermons from 1993 – the year of the first WTC bombing.

  204. Idunn….I guess i have at least a DOZEN to choose from…

    pasty white balding conservative pundits abound!

  205. jihendra, I agree. For obama to not know that his friend, mentor, spiritual advisor, pastor, the man he refers to as his ‘uncle’ is completely implausable. The beliefs that he has espoused are widespread among some members of the African American community; some of my AA friends have talked with me about them. Obama would’ve had to go through a 20 year relationship in a box to not know these things. His children have been baptised there; he and his wife were married there. Others, here, have made this point, but I just want to reinforce it: no way can he talk his way out of this one. He had to know about the pastors core beliefs.

  206. Congresswoman Brown Supports First Primary Vote, Not Re-vote

    By Roger Weeder
    First Coast News

    JACKSONVILLE, FL – Florida Congresswoman Corrine Brown is no fan of a mail-in re-votes to resolve the January 29th election that leaves Democratic delegates on the sidelines.

    “We had an election that was certified by the State of Florida,” Brown told First Coast News. “I just really think it needs to be worked out.”

    The Democratic National Committee is currently reviewing a re-vote plan that would involve mailing ballots to the state’s four million Democratic voters. The proposal also calls for 50 regional voting centers. The cost that would be covered by donations is placed at between $10-12 million.

    Brown, who is a super delegate committed to Senator Hillary Clinton, says the first vote is all that’s needed. Senator Clinton won that election with 50 percent of the vote with Senator Barack Obama getting 33 percent. Neither candidate campaigned in the state.

    A decision by the national committee could come as early as Monday on whether a re-vote by mail is the preferred solution.

    The Democratic National Committee according to Brown should favor using the January 29th results. “It should be worked out—period,” she said.

    The Florida Democratic Party is expected to decide Monday whether to push forward with the June 3rd mail-in vote.

  207. texan4Hillary, damn straight the caucus convention should be postponed. You and I both know the shannigans that was pulled by the Obama folks. On the night of the Caucus, we fielded so many complaints from HRC supporters ranging from intimidation, violence, theft of precinct forms, ethical issues from BO-supporting precinct chairs, people leaving early b/c they were told they could just sign in and leave, non-English speaking Hispanic voters told to leave b/c their cards weren’t stamped, despite them showing their IDs… so many complaints reported.

  208. texan4hillary
    check out my earlier post

    Clinton: Delay the Delegate Count (Because I’ll Lose)
    Dallas Morning News – Dallas,TX,USA

    has a great letter from her campaign staff

  209. HEY…I get first dibs on the WOMEN then….i am the gay one here!

    but you can have coulter

    I’ll take unmarried Laura Ingram and Rachel Maddow

    and teach them the ways of common sense!

  210. Sean knows he is not my allie LOL. That is the surprising thing for me at least .. other than Donna Brazil these people have sent civil, intelligent emails, challenging with intelligent policy and political difference, difference in entitlement programs and difference in spending and size of government. They express desire FOR THE COUNTRY.

    Donna’s was nothing but hateful, name calling, thuggish behaviour .. quite like that of Mr. Wright. Donna never expresses a desire for the country, it is all about HER, THEIR CAUSE and THEIR CONTROL.

    I’ve been able to compare Sean Hannity and Donna Brazil .. side by side under my own control.

    I have to say that Sean Hannity, even though I disagree with him on some issues, does care for the country, it’s not a very, very personal thing with him. Donna Brazil IMO does not, it’s personal for her and it’s about the “color” of who is in the WhiteHouse.

  211. mj, everything happened in TX. You would not believe the extent BO supporters went to keep HRC supporters from caucusing. That is why I do not and will not believe the results.

    HRC legal team are considering legal action b/c ome of the rule were blatantly violated by Obama folks.

  212. jithendra Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
    can we now hope for 70% vote in PA…

    We can hope, but I wouldn’t count on it.

  213. If you can put your personal feelings aside long enough to read Coulter she is “ridiculously” funny…usually I get incensed about half way through her stuff though

  214. spacegirl,
    I’m still catching up with other issues, including this from Dan Abrams.

    Dear Mr.. Abrams,

    As I know you are a serious journalist I would like to bring several issues to your attention.
    In one of your shows this week you made the following statement;

    Rush Limbaugh and others on the far right [are] now trying to pervert tomorrow’s results, calling on Republicans in Ohio and Texas to vote in the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton — not because they like Clinton, but because they want to keep the Democrats in disarray

    Perhaps you are not aware of Senator Obama’s strategy to convince Republicans and Independents to cast their vote in the primaries and caucuses for him as a way to defeat Senator Clinton.

    As a result, approximately 9% of his voters have come from factions that will invariably abandon him to vote for Senator McCain in the General Election.

    This reprehensible strategy, called “Democrat for a Day,” urges non-democrats to switch parties during the primaries, a tactic that smacks of Voter fraud and disenfranchisement. The skewed results are clearly not representative of the will of real democrats with whom Senator Clinton maintains a solid lead.

    Here are links to the Obama materials I cite.

    While it may be understandable why Mr. Limbaugh, as a member of the opposing party, may feel it’s fair game to ‘meddle’ in the Democratic Party, I don’t think the same can be said of Senator Obama..

    Since you were so concerned about Mr. Limbaugh’s use of this strategy, I would hope you would be equally concerned about Senator’ Obama’s use of the same tactics against a fellow Democrat.


    H. Hawke

  215. Spacegirl, Rachel Maddow is practically married. She and her girlfriend have been together forever. BTW, like you, Rachel’s girlfriend, Susan, is an accomplished artist. Many of her works have been exhibited.

  216. jithendra Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
    can we now hope for 70% vote in PA…

    Forget “hope”… si se puede

  217. Well, all hell is going to break loose, if the convention in Texas is delayed. This will consume the news media. Once again, HRC is trying to rig the election because she is behind. This is what people are saying. It is so sickening. How anyone can take those results seriously, is beyond me.

  218. filbert…i know, I read a bio about her. But until Rachel gets out of the toilet with Bambi…she will have to wait for me…..

  219. I haven’t listened to Rachel forever (since she crossed over to the dark side), but I still have a soft spot for her. We shall be reunited again after the Primary when she will come to her senses and support Madame President.

  220. Idunn,

    Hope you didn’t think I was criticizing your AR! It’s amazing that you pinpointed the problem within a couple of days! I wanna hear more. 😀

  221. Dot?

    AmericanGal…thanks for that link. Great pics of Hil and the Parade. Lord knows we will not see them on BM

  222. space :mrgreen:

    I could tell you but then I would have to kill you.

    Doesn’t it seems Donna is a bit “unhinged” today though?

  223. Clintondem,

    thanks for posting those news rankings! it makes me feel MUCH better about whether or not the Wight story is getting out there even if it is with a portion of the population that won’t vote Dem, anyway.


  224. New gallup tracking poll out. Hillary cut Obama’s lead in half in 1 day. Yesterday the lead was 6% today it is 3%. Polls are trending towards Hillary the last 24 hours and hoepfully will continue that way.

  225. Dot…if you are in communication, that is great! I send him a lot of things too. You can mention my name and say thanks! As for Donna…Donna is angry. Period. And probably feels very hurt.

    IMO…IF she had backed a QUALIFIED and VETTED AA Candidate, thie would not be happening, but she did not. You have to think that there is some stuff going on here too about her memories of her loss with Gore. She is ‘failing’ again, and it really must bother her a lot.

    She just picked the WRONG GUY.

  226. Frankly, i’m startled he has a lead at all. Don’t the fricken Dem’s want to win in Nov? She’s won every big state save Il. I think the media is deliberately depressing her support with all these phoney racism charges.

    Also, I think Pelosi deliberately made her statements today to take wright off the front page.

  227. SpaceGirl — Rush talking about Pelosi was hilarious 🙂

    MJ – Pelosi really needs to button her lip. She sux

    Filbert – Not sure about eriposte.

  228. Yes, but “pledged” doesn’t mean anything. They can change their mind, and often do, at any point. This is just BO spin. Don’t get tied up in the “math”.

  229. MJ?

    “Pelosi deliberately made her statements today to take wright off the front page.”

    she said something today?



  231. birdgal

    Yes she can though unlikely. Hillary would have to win over 65% of remaining pledged delegates. Remember all those caucus states Obama won? The final delegate counts are determined at the state conventions and they can change from the election day estimates. I wonder how Wright’s opinions are playing in the great plains states?? I am sure Obama delegates to the state conventions are having buyers remorse right about now. too bad we do not know who they are to give them a nudge.

  232. Basil…from above….re NEWSMAX….

    I simply sent it to a bunch of news papers and asked “Was Obama “in the pews” or not?

    Senator Obama stated on FOX News last night that he was not “in the pew” when any hate words were spoken.

    This reference in an article in NewMax seems to contradict those claims:


    (excerpt below)

    “Wright laced into America’s establishment, blaming the “white arrogance” of America’s Caucasian majority
    for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers
    to the country as the “United States of White America.” Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded
    in apparent agreement as these statements were made.”


    perhaps you can investigate…

  233. spacegirl,

    As ashamed as i am to admit it, since being forced to listen to Rush since I get no other stations in my car, I haveta admit some of the stuff he says really has me LMAO!

    He’s a funny guy.

    of course I don’t agree with his positions although, in a few instances, he has helped me see the other side of the coin. Anyway, I think it’s healthy and informative to listen to as many sources as you can, which is why I HATE CNN, MSNBC, NBC, etc., coz they’re all essentially the SAME company.

  234. basil9, You are welcome.In case clueless Democrats nominate BO we can be sure now that he would lose in a landslide. Don’t you think they have really given the repub voters a great incentive to vote against BO?

  235. wright story won’t go away. If democratic party goes ahead and nomines BHO, the party will be painted as “Damn America Party” by GOP and most people will believe it.

  236. space: Pelosi said the nomination would be determined by pledged delegates not SD, because the “will of the people need to be honored.”

    ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos on Friday that it would be “harmful” to Democrats if superdelegates were to give the party’s presidential nomination to a candidate who is trailing in the delegates awarded in primaries and caucuses.

    “If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what’s happened in the elections,” said Pelosi, “it would be harmful to the Democratic Party.”

    Although Pelosi offered her assessment without directly referencing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., her comments lend considerable support to the Illinois Democrat.

    Obama leads Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., in pledged delegates: 1,396 to 1,241. Because of the proportional system used by the Democratic Party to allocate delegates, Obama is widely expected to remain in front of Clinton in pledged delegates at the conclusion of the primary season.

    Political prognosticators give Clinton more of a chance of catching, or even surpassing, Obama in the national popular vote but Pelosi argued that superdelegates should follow the pledged-delegate, not the popular-vote, leader.

    “But what if one candidate has won the popular vote and the other candidate has won the delegates?” asked Stephanopoulos.

    “But it’s a delegate race,” Pelosi replied. “The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee.”

    Pelosi’s comments to Stephanopoulos, which were made in Washington, D.C., air Friday evening on ABC News’ “World News with Charles Gibson.”

    The full interview with Pelosi airs Sunday morning on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.”

  237. Well, pretty, suburban white girls that go missing are disproportionately covered compared to their non-white, and/or poor counterparts. However, to blame the young women for what happened to her or even the coverage of what happened to her, is disgusting.

  238. Sent to greta … sent to Nancy Grace (but you have to go through CNN comment form .. don’t bank on it getting to Nancy)

    That being said .. Nancy Grace is sleuth enough or have some producer on her staff who may run with this … however, she is controlled heavily by the CNN machine.

    Greta will be the best source .. also, Great LOVES to hear from people.

    Space, as you said earlier, we know where the rubber meets the road with Hannity. I like knowing my “real” enemy though.

  239. Dot, I personally have some queasyness about the HHolloway thing. Not because Wright isn’t an ass and insensitive, but because of her mom and dad and friends. Opening old wounds simply victimizes her again. I am sure FOX has it, and someone can send it out. I just can’t.

  240. Will the media ask Kennedy, Kerry, and Dean what they think of this Wright situation? Have they already?

  241. Pelosi needs to be “reeducated” on the convention process. If the candidate doesn’t meet the “smell” test, the superdelegates can indeed place the best qualified candidate on the top of the ballot.

    She needs to STFU, she has been a disgrace in her role and she looks more stupid every day.

    Why does she want to insert her skanky ass into this is anyones quess but I have suspicion she is so jealous of Hillary that it is affecting her ability to be impartial and try to do her job.

  242. Boy…Pelosi and the anti-Clinton arm of the DNC sure are changing the requirements every few weeks eh? It was the popular vote before, not the pledge delegates, and the SD’s were created to keep the party in line, but they don’t count…..

    flip flop flip flop

    she is SO ineffective and bitter

    let’s push her out of the Speaker’s position.

  243. If you don’t count MI and FL, how far behind is HRC in the popular vote?

    BTW, Pelosi is out of step with what most rank-and-file Dems think. By a 2-1 margin, a recent poll showed Dem primary voters say overall popular is more important than delegates totals.

  244. space .. the Holloways have been guests on Greta’s show many, many times. MOF Greta is being sued right now because she asked people to boycott Aruba LOL

    I’m sure that Greta (if anyone can) can approach this with candor and sensitivity.

    It’s out there .. it’s been picked up already. I think the Holloways would not want their daughter assaulted (again) by the likes of Mr. Wright and his church. Natalie was raped in Aruba .. she doesn’t deserve to be assaulted again from Mr. Obama’s spiritual leader.

  245. I live about 20 miles as the crow flies from CentCom
    lots of helicopter gunship fly-bys today.

    Wonder if Iran is in the sites now that Admiral Ferron is gone

  246. space: people are changing the rules, as they go along. For awhile, I thought it was the popular vote, now it is pledged delegates. Obama is the democrats GWB. He will be a puppet for them. Their hatred of the Clinton’s is so great, they will throw the election to McCain. Obama cannot win the GE, not with this Wright stuff. Fox is just getting started. Wait for the GE: Wright, Rezko, middle east contacts, inexperience, poor voting record, lack of experience, and the list goes on.

  247. I am dying to know if there is actually a video of Obama saying “Fuck the white man”. What’s the possibility?

  248. “Jan, don’t count on it with media and DNC ‘leaders””

    sigh…there I go thinking that the media will be fair and balanced again. LOL…when will I ever learn…

  249. Hope you didn’t think I was criticizing your AR!

    LOL…I didn’t. And it’s not MY AR…it’s the same for anyone who knows what they are doing. It just is what it is, a picture. 🙂

  250. JAS..that was what was reported on a BLOG…but since we don’t have a thing, we have to wait. If there is….bye bye bambi

  251. Please help voters list of more Obama’s Uncles

    1. Loius Farrakhan – Obama’s Real NOI Uncle

    2. Jeremiah Wright – Obama’s Crazy Religious Uncle

    3. Tony Rezko – Obama’s Crazy Real-Estate Uncle

    4. Michelle Obama – Obama’s Crazy Uncle that cross-dresses as a Woman

    5. Ted Kennedy – Obama’s Crazy Health Insurance Uncle

    6. John Kerry – Obama’s Crazy Swiftboat Uncle

    7. Larry Craig – Obama’s Crazy Playtime Date Uncle

    8. Cafferty from CNN – Obama’s Crazy Senile Jerky Uncle

    Please add to the list….

    9. Keith Olberman and Chris Mattews- Obama’s Crazy Women Hating Uncles.

    hahahahha 🙂

  252. Obama trying to play the victim whinning that people are using wright’s comments as political ammunition against him.

    Get over it bambi!!!

  253. Americangal,

    Great pics.

    Funny how you NEVER see BO with the ‘people’ other than at his staged highly-orchestrated rallies.

    She looks like she’s having a great time.

  254. anyone find it really “telling” that Pelosi’s interview is TAPED for George’s show and done on FRIDAY.

    Just another way to try to push the Wright story outi of the news.

    I got news for the media .. the more they push this story off….the bigger and badder the sermons and videos will be. They can choose to fumble over it like Cooper (wanna touch bambi so bad) did and the Olgerman debacle and try to shut it down if they wish. They can chose to try to cover it up and override the story.


    They will receive it in drip . drip . drip . enough to knock their news cycle and the message.

    I personally think the drip.drip.drip …in this situtation might just be the best.

    As Hillary Clinton has tried to tell the party .. the Republicans will not give up without a fight. If they think for one moment that they will roll over on this … they are simply feeling the waters right now.


  255. I have this thing on my directv and it tells me minute by minute what shows are getting the most viewership

    its cool, overall national viewership college basketball is first, then fox report 2nd, lou dobbs @10th place in viewership

    I think Fox is on the money with this BHO thing….looks like people want to know

  256. Good evening Hillfans. Found this comment at the ABC post upthread:

    The difference that Obama is missing is none of us can choose out Crazy Uncle or Crazy Grand Pa, but Obama did chose his pastor, it was his choice so he has to explain what this attraction for 20 years was about.

  257. MJ,

    Juan Williams said that he thought media wasn’t doing enough to check out the Wright story and that Obama needs to come out and say that he is definitely leaving that church. The fact that he hasn’t doesn’t look good for him.

  258. Kennedy should be confronted with Wright’s remarks about Halloway. Some eerie similarities between that situation and the Mary Jo Kopeckne incident, dontyathink?i

  259. Ok, guys, the dailykos strike is taking off like wildfire. It’s everywhere. Even drudge…and Fox News just reported it on TV!!! So, please stay off dailykos. This strike is serious.

  260. Juan Williams also said, if his church was epousing such inflammatory rhetoric, he would take his family and leave the church. BO is not being honest about this.

  261. jithendra,

    You are a funny g(uy) (irl)!

    Sounds like you’ve had lots of experience with crazy uncles. 😀

  262. birdgal Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
    Juan Williams also said, if his church was epousing such inflammatory rhetoric, he would take his family and leave the church. BO is not being honest about this.

    Duh!!! We need more people like Juan Williams out there making that argument. Can you believe Cooper??? Uncomfortable with politics as usual about Bambi, but perfectly comfortable to slander the first possible credible female candidate as a racist, night after night.

  263. MJ…juan was saying Bambi hadn’t let his church, and this would not go away UNLESS he does, and then it will be so late it won’t be credible. Also, that it was impossible to believe that he had no knowledge of all this with Wright. In addition, he said the Press was somewhat tough on HC and held a different satndard…but he had a few jabs at her too

  264. I’m so embarassed, I was actually proud that Mrs. P was elected Speaker. I guess this goes to show how really naive I was about her. She did irritate me when she denied Jane Harmon the chair of the House Intellegence Committee, I should have paid attention then!!

  265. WTF??? The new headline is Obama expands delegate lead over Clinton. Did fricken Iowa give him more delegates?

  266. Jake Tapper of ABC is asking about when did Obama know about Wright’s bunk:

    Sounds like Bambi may be fibbing. Again.

  267. mj,

    ANOTHER other glaring headline was;

    “obama decries racial rhetoric.”



  268. Debbie…I agree that when Pelosi was about to make Jack Murtha the whip and denied Harmon her seat, she showed her true colors. Harmon was MORE than qualified and Murtha was in the middle of a smear by the Conservatives and he had Arab-gate or what ever it was called.

    I wrote her a letter and told her if she chose Murtha I would protest!

  269. hi all,

    Lauging my ass off here. Have you ever read upthread–fast. It is like heading down the rabbit hole in Alice in Wonderland. Space Art is gonna what to who? And somebody wants to know what–about a fish–and Obama gets called so many different satanic names it gets silly. No I take that back. This time it was Brazile and Pelosi.

    Seriously tho,

    I think B. Merry made alot of sense about follow the money. We should get a strong idea about the impact of Wright by watching that.

  270. what Obama does not get is this: the more he whines, the more people are going to sour on him.

    He cannot “pin” this spiritual leader shit on anyone but himself. Now he is trying to twist it into somebody ONCE AGAIN trying to do him in. It’s the same shit with him, different time, different day.

    He cannot take responsibility for anything .. what does this tell you about this man.

    He is dangerous.

  271. F*CK Nancy Pelosi

    Basil – I saw that story, too. What a complete joke. It’s not going to work this time, though.

  272. I do not believe that Nancy Pelosi represents me. It is time for this botox withch to go. I have always considered my self left of center but resonable and I feel it is time for Pelosi to go.I think she is one of the worst majority leaders. I think it is time some one like Jane Harman to be the majority leader.

  273. I guess, the people of Iowa don’t mind that BO’s spiritual advisor is a racist and hates America. What is wrong with people????

  274. clindondem, it’s simple. When she’s up re-election, go work for her opposition. It’s a long shot, as she’s very popular in her district, but what the hey.

  275. Barack Obama will host a Town Hall Meeting at the Community College of Beaver County Golden Dome in PA on Monday at 11:30 a.m. – SHOW UP WITH SIGNS OF HILLARY HILLARY AND HILLARY THIS WILL GIVE YOU THE MEDIA ATTENTION

  276. Well, one IA delegate said BO “stands for a lot of things Edwards did.”

    No one has ever accused Iowans of being bright, yet we give these people so much clout over our political process.

    And no, I will not apologize for my comments. IA voted for Bush twice.

  277. will BJQ Michelle Obama attend the townhall? or is she too busy hiding rezko cash in her kenwood mansion?

  278. Just so the up thread reads funny for the next Pinker coming home from work:

    Watcha eating tonight, Spacegirl? 😉

  279. filbertsf,I have no problem at all with Nancy representing her constituency I want her to get reelcted. I do not want her to be the majority leader beacuse it is not good for the Democratic party.

  280. follow the money that is “reported” here,

    the rest we’ll have to wait for BMerry to give is and I think the Clinton team has its researchers on this too and campaign strategy suggests she’s not waiting for October for the surprise! It’s timing at it’s best.





  282. Spacegirl–it is hilarious.

    How many more delegates did Wrightorama pick up in Iowa??

    Reason is not going to pry the kool-aide types away from this guy…

  283. Basil….re; your “yellow haters” comment, I was sitting here going WTF?! Is she suggesting I hate the chinese??

    Geez…Wright is making me all kinds of paranoid. 🙄

  284. from

    Edwards Delegates Bolt To Obama In Iowa
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:52:09 PM EST
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    By Big Tent Democrat

    Ah, the will of the people:

    Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention. Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.
    I can only laugh at this caucus system. I understand Clinton picked up delegates this way in Colorado. The whole system is a travesty.

  285. Terron, Kerry won the Iowa caucuses, but lost the general. If hill got the other half, how did he expand his lead?

  286. I wonder how Edwards feels that his delegates say Obama stands for the same things ansEdwards does.

    John are you a radical racist hiding your true beliefs from the voters also????

  287. This was posted at a site linked to one of the earlier Malkin links in reference to BO’s denials:

    And a little after, they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilaean, and thy speech agreeth thereto. But he began to curse and to swear, saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak. And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me.

    And when he thought thereon, he wept

    – Mark 14:66-72

    Far from a perfect analogy but it plumbs the depths of a lie. No, I don’t think that BO has any regrets in jettisoning one of his own.

  288. There are a ton of reasons to bash Dean, but I just wanted to vent on one in particular: How in the hell did the DNC get stuck with $3 million for the GE while the RNC has $27 million? He is, without a doubt, the worst DNC chair EVER.

  289. Ok folks….gotta go make some dinner. It’s that or I will sit here and eat an Ice Cream Sammich

  290. Paula…no one is donating to the DNC right now. Not the rank and file…and according to NYT (?), big doners in FL want their money back

  291. from

    Obama gains 6 delegates on Clinton in Iowa
    by msn1, Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 07:58:28 PM EST

    The Iowa County Conventions were held today, the second stage in Iowa’s caucus process. Remember, the original delegate estimates were Obama 16, Clinton 15, Edwards 14. After today, from Chuck Todd at NBC:

    We have final delegate allocation estimates directly from the Iowa Democratic Party based on today’s 99 county conventions. The results, Obama indeed did gain 7 delegates to up his total from 16 (earned on Jan. 3) to 23 now. Clinton upped her total by 1, from 15 to 16 and Edwards dropped 8 delegates to 6. Those six will be up for grabs, perhaps, at the Iowa Democratic Party state convention in June.
    Todd guesses at why Clinton did not pick up as many delegates as Obama:
    One wonders if the Clinton campaign’s trashing of the caucuses will end up hurting her when these caucus states meet to finalize and re-allocate their caucuses during their respective convention processes.

  292. OK, no one answered my question about how far Hillary is behind in the populare vote, not including MI and FL.

  293. ❗ I posted 6 hours ago that this would happen and finally it is getting out there.
    CNN: Black Ministers will Denounce Obama for Denouncing Wright.
    CNN | 3-15-08 | CNN

    I am finding it on message boards all over the place but have not found the article yet, but it is happening and this will cause him MUCH damage in the AA vote

    bye bye 😈

  294. Jeez, BO is getting it from AA’s for denouncing Wright. He is in a lose-lose situation. I wonder, if this will really hurt him. Most of the AA states have passed, and most AA’s don’t belong to such a radical church (at least, I’m assuming this).

  295. “Black Ministers will Denounce Obama for Denouncing Wright.”

    Oh my goodness! Obama is getting hit from all sides now. He’s between a rock and a hard place…damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

    Well, I’m finding it very hard to feel sorry for him after all the unwarranted knives he has lobbed at Hillary so far.

  296. I just got home from a freaking hard day as one of 99 Hillary county capts in Iowa…I came on to find out if Hawk was home from his convention. Needed to share with kindred soul.

    And what do I find?

    For the last time, I am going to say, ..until one of you badmouthing freaks walks a convention floor in our shoes…

    STFU !!!

    I am sick again of the belly-aching lot of you freaking monday-morning control freak jerks.

    Get a real, non-paid job in the campaign, put yourself into it, offline and in real time, and then come back here and mouth off about those of us who are ready to call it quits, every two days for the last year.

    Hillfans, my ass…you bunch of whiny babies.

  297. spacegirl,

    OHhhhh. I see it, NOW! They switched it from the right to the left side.


    Bad news about the Iowa caucuse delgate numbers. D@mn.

    BTW – did you get the delegate list? I’ve been having pc problems all day. let me know.

    March 15, 2008

    Statement from Hillary Clinton

    “I am deeply concerned about the violent clashes that have erupted
    in Lhasa, Tibet. Based on the limited information available, there
    is an urgent need for all parties, and in particular the Chinese
    security forces, to exercise restraint, to demonstrate respect for
    human rights and to protect civilians from danger. I call on the
    Chinese government to prevent further escalation of this conflict
    and to urgently pursue resolution through peaceful means.

    “I co-sponsored the Fourteenth Dalai Lama Congressional Gold Medal
    Act and co-sponsored the Tibetan Policy Act of 2001, supporting a
    dialogue between the People’s Republic of China and the Dalai Lama.
    I have personally met with the Dalai Lama. I asked President Jiang
    Zemin to explain China’s repression of the Tibetans and their
    religion during his 1997 state visit to the United States. More than
    10 years later, Chinese repression in Tibet continues. This week,
    Tibetan monks have sent a message to the world that their
    aspirations for religious liberty remain as strong as ever.

    “Upholding freedom and human rights in Tibet will happen through
    negotiation, and with a commitment on all sides to seeking
    constructive solutions for the benefit, above all, of the Tibetan

    Thank you to everyone here who helped get the diary on Tibet recommended at

  299. “Black Ministers will Denounce Obama for Denouncing Wright.”

    but the black will vote for BHO 90% in NC and IN.

  300. debbie / March 15th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
    follow the money that is “reported” here,

    the rest we’ll have to wait for BMerry to give is and I think the Clinton team has its researchers on this too and campaign strategy suggests she’s not waiting for October for the surprise! It’s timing at it’s best.

    What’s the question?

  301. IDUNN,

    ROTF! Hey, whassamatta? you can’t read my mind? (what’s left of it).

    I was referring to the bumble-bee yellow controversy the other day. She’s wearing it in some of the album pics.

    What’s the AR scoop for the next month or so?

  302. PA

    If you had had the decency to question why, instead of attacking, some might have told you.

    Go eat worms.

  303. Emjay, tough shit. This is America and if I feel like insulting Iowans, I will. If you like, do insult Californians. We’re thick-skinned.

  304. Emjay, I apologize. I just don’t get how Hill did not pick up delegates in Iowa. I was a bit heated. Very sorry.

  305. My statement on Hillary’svoice about Hill’s prewss release onTibet.

    “I was smacked down on this website yesterday for asking for support
    for a diary about Tibet. I said then that Richard Gere was praising
    Obama in relation to Tibet on CNN. And that Hillary would put out a
    statement soon. I am repeating all this not to rehash yesterday’s
    conflict, but to underscore the fact that the campaign is not a very
    narrow set of issues. It is about all that is going on in the world.
    So while Rezko and Wright and even the dkos strike are important,
    other issues and places are relevant too. Hillary’s record on human
    rights is something that is remarkable and to be pointed to with
    pride. Her stand on Tibet since the Chinese takeover has been
    unwavering. And if anyone wants to know–the death toll now is at
    least 30, could be well over 50 or more, no one really knows for sure.
    Despite diplomatic pressure the Chinese are responding with tanks and
    machine guns. Tashi Delek!

  306. AND, just in time to make the Sunday News Shows. ORCHESTRATED TO HELL.

    He wants to say Oh, look, I’ve had to distance myself from my “own” and look “they” have turned on me. More handwringing and ploy to play up the vote. He’s pandering now for the white vote .. somebody come to my side really fast.

    Poor, pitiful Barack…it even looks like his “own” is leaving him cause he “dares” stand up for the right thing.

    That flies as far as shit on a brick with me.

  307. mj, will you please stop apologizing? You have nothing to apologize for. Just b/c someone comes here angry and demanding, does not mean we give in. Jeesus!

  308. Haven’t looked that far ahead, Basil. But it’s raining cats and dogs here, so maybe I’ll spend the day with it tomorrow.

  309. ok, filbert, I am just out of my mind upset right now. First, the slap in the face from Iowa. But worse, Donna Brazile is saying all kinds of crazy shit to me. I don’t even know how to respond.

  310. rjk, Thanks. She can also pick up some if there’s a new primary in MI. We’ll also have to see what happens in FL.

  311. Emjay,
    I’m sorry you had a rough day and thanks for being there on the ground for us.

    I don’t quite know why you’re so angry. I’ve been reading the board all day (and composing letters to send to media tomorrow as well as contacting news programs about issues) but I haven’t seen anything here that was critical of HRC staffers Which comment are you talking about?

  312. If you like, do insult Californians.

    Like, oh my god dudes , you are soooo gonna get cancer from hanging out at the beach all day!

  313. mj, Ask Donna how she doesn’t think those videos of Wright will seal Obama’s fate in November. The GOP will go to town with that shit.

  314. meiyingsu, so? So did the rest of us, and we’re not acting like some pissy-ant.

    MJ went to NH and worked her ass off.

    Ininla and I traveled to Texas. I was there for a long time and so was she. I was there at the Caucus and I was Obama thugs. I went to NV and I’m going to PA. Emjay does not have a monopoly on working hard for Hillary.

    And you guys who raise money for her and alert the media on things about Obama. You guys worked very hard for her, too.

  315. Yep, thasssss all we do in good ole sunny cal-i-for-ni-ay.

    Hit the beach, munch a burrito, have a few brewskis. Watch the beautiful sunsets. Listen to the birdies. Walk in the sand. LalaLa–land.

    You betcha

  316. pissy-ant.

    Dudes, is “pissy-ant” some kind of cali-speak? Can’t you wrong coasters talk normal? I’m sooooo serrrrrr-ious.

  317. mj .. report those email. The campaign needs to know what one of the party chairpeople is doing. ARE YOU EVEN SURE you are talking to her?

    She was very, very rude and condescending to me. I sent the email to the campaign by fax ..

    Do they think Hillary Clinton is stupid.

    Also, space…if you still have your emails .. copy and fax them to the campaign (if you have not already)

    There is a place and time for all of this to be sorted out with Ms Donna .. however, the campaign needs to know exactly what is happening on the world wide web.

    Donna seems to be unhinged .. but of course, it could be an imposter as well.

    Just saying

  318. pulchritude, what the heck is going on with that blog?? LOL…BJQ??? You know Michelle would never…ummm…pick up that pipe.

  319. Michelle Obama woulnd’t know a burrito if it hit her over the head.
    She is from Chi town.
    That’s pizza-ville.
    You can’t get any decent mexican food there.
    the only places in America that have good mexican food is California and Texas.

  320. linfar,

    the pilsen neighborhood of chicago has great mexican restaurants. and yes, michelle obama is a BJQ. GOLD DIGGER, BABY.

  321. It’s piss-ant, you piss-ant!

    God…Californians are such airheads. 🙄

    And also, the shit on our spinach so that we all come down with e-coli? Why do you guys DO that, Filbert? You know that’s wrong.

  322. I would imagine the caucus thing can be traumatizing. It sounds ugly and I sympathize with Emja.

    Thanks EVERYONE for the hard work.

    I think Pulch logged 900 calls alone to Texas.

    We need to really, really phone bank for GOTV in PA. The polls look good and we just need to push the actual voting. The supporters in PA need to know that their votes are as important or maybe more important now than Texas or Ohio. The extra effort to win with a big margin is really necessary.

  323. Oh jeeeezzz!
    Geraldo doing a segment called “Preachers Gone Wild,” with Pat Robertson, Wright, Hagey, Bob Jones University.

    Only on Geraldo.

    What tics me off is I was reading about Wright on the Trinity Church website a year ago. Where were all these friggin reporters? Why is this so new to them?


  324. Pulch,

    As a californian who lived in nyc Forevah, I can say from great experience–you cannot get the real deal in mexican food this side of the border unless it is california or tx. Uh uh. No way. I have tried. Invest years in the endeavor. Can’t be done.

  325. all of us have contributed, and all of us have a right to vent our frustrations. establishing a network of support for hillary in nc is quite difficult, especially as the campaign is engaged in pa and in. but this is no one’s fault, and i choose to sublimate my anger by writing terrible comments about the spouses of flawed political candidates online.

  326. Now some tell me that we shouldn’t be for killing the honkeys. We should just turn the other cheek. Who says this? That cracker Jesus!


    Man…that’s all kinds of wrong.

  327. linfar,

    i will bet money you will enjoy at least three restaurants in the pilsen neighborhood of chicago.

  328. Idunn, dude, if you weren’t so stupid as to buy products from California, you wouldn’t be have to worry about E. Coli.

  329. McCain camp disputes Wright-Parsley comparison
    by Mosheh Oinounou
    Washington, D.C. — John McCain’s campaign is pushing back on recent allegations that controversial Ohio pastor, Rev. Rod Parsley, serves as a “spiritual guide” for the GOP presidential nominee.

    As Barack Obama continues to take heat for anti-American and racially divisive comments made by his longtime pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, some voices on the left are arguing that McCain should be receiving similar scrutiny for provocative remarks made by Parsley.

    The Ohio-based religious leader has made a number controversial statements about Muslims, previously calling Islam an “anti-Christ religion” based on “deception.” In a recent book, he also wrote that the prophet Mohammad “received revelations from demons and not from the true God,” adding that “Allah was a demon spirit.”

    According to the campaign, McCain met Parsley for the first time three weeks ago, when the pastor served as an introductory speaker at a February 26 rally in Cincinnati.

    McCain praised most of the leaders in attendance, saying of Parsley: “I am very honored today to have one of the truly great leaders in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide…thank you for your leadership and your guidance. I am very grateful you are here.” (Coincidence note: This was the same event of the infamous Bill Cunningham remarks)

    A number of blogs and magazines (inc. here, here, and here) are citing the “spiritual guide” line to make the case that Parsley is an important influence for the Arizona Senator. International publications are also picking up on the endorsement–a headline in the Tehran Times this morning screams, “McCain advisor: Destroy Islam.”

    A campaign official disputes that argument, adding that any comparison between the Wright and Parsley situations is “totally absurd.” The official notes that Rev. Wright married Obama, baptized his children and has served as his spiritual adviser for 20 years, whereas McCain received Parsley’s endorsement at one event and has never attended his service.

    Regarding Parsley’s comments on Islam, campaign officials point to McCain’s denunciation of similar comments made by Rev. John Hagee–noting that the presumptive GOP nominee was not endorsing Parsley by accepting the pastor’s endorsement and does not agree with all of his views. McCain has vowed repeatedly to run a “respectful campaign,” condemned any personal attacks on Obama and Clinton.

    Additionally, Campaign Manager Rick Davis circulated a memo this week that called upon supporters to “follow John’s lead and run a respectful campaign focused on the issues.”

  330. thanks Experience for the new sermon discovery and also re: info on the Black Pastors against BO on
    CNN – anything to keep this story in the media.

  331. Idunn, dude, if you weren’t so stupid as to buy products from California, you wouldn’t be have to worry about E. Coli.

    Filbert, dude , if you people would just stop shitting on our produce, maybe we could all just get along.

  332. here is my dialog with ex Edward supporter who don’t know what to do in the upcoming elections.


    Photo, I was a John Edwards supporter. It grieved me when he dropped out of the race although I had come to terms that my hopes were not going to be fulfilled and he would not get the nomination.

    There is no close race left between Obama and Hillary. And I say that we no reflection on the character of each. It isn’t a character issue. It is a mathematical one.

    Hillary’s delegate count will be behind Obama’s even if she wins 60/40 (an insanely large number) in all remaining primaries. That would even include the highly unlikely scenerio that Mich and Fla would be included in those numbers.

    Hillary can only win if she were to be able to corner virtually every super delegate which will literally destroy the Democratic party and hand the election to McCain and the GOP. Chances are, even if Hillary stays in the “race”, even the sper delegates won’t help her.

    Let’s not forget: for all her joy in the 4-state primaries, the split was 50/50: Texas wasn’t hers but Obama’s along with VT; she got Ohio and RI…and significantly, neither of those was a killing.

    Calling this a race at this point is regarding the numbers in place right now and the limited power that future numbers will have on the total. Obama can’t lose this; it only can be taken away from him. And if that happens, the Demorats will every bit have lost the African American votes as they ironically did with the southern vote after supporting the Civil Rights Act in the 1960’s. Losing the African American vote translates to political suicide to the Democrats.

    This ain’t going to happen.


    ….The whole problem the dems face this year goes back to the screwy primary rules they put in place. So the only people they have to blame for potentially dividing their party is themselves…

    I was thinking my answer to Ed and then I saw your reply and I am just going to build on that. Democratic party set completely BS rules to win the primaries. They are based on the notion that a candidate will have 2025 votes and then SD will just follow him, they didn’t anticipated that none will be having those votes and that SD will essentially make a candidate. But these rules were created and signed BEFORE the beginning o f the process. Now Obama is ahead but not much and he believe that rules should be changed according to his advantage or otherwise ED is saying that democratic party will be ruined cause AA will not vote for it. So let me answer that: WE are here not for the pleasure of the democratic party, Obama or anyone else. After this party showed complete lack of loyalty, corrupt election process, envy on every step of the way – I don’t care anymore what will happen to it. Also AA will not vote if Obama is not the nominee -, but how about white vote that goes for Hillary. they Willa also not vote for the party if their voice is taken away from them. Why all this guilty conscious about AA vote? Yes, i can understand that they had a rather bad experiences in this country before. I am willing to say that -yes, they still need help to get on their feet. But I completely refuse to be a hostage to the situation where I am virtually blackmailed by some group. And trust me – there will be a huge public outcry if Dem’s will go this road in acknowledging the change in the rules as they go. This elections not about Dem Party which is dead anyway it is about this country. So Obama and his surrogates should think twice before they try to go this road of blackmail and try to force us to vote his way. he will loose both the votes and the presidency together with the future of the Democratic party. I can only say – AMEN to that.

  333. agree Dot48 re: phonebanking for PA – some Clinton ppl might stay home just because they assume she’ll win.

  334. i have been rolling on the floor ever since i read the comment wherein some called michelle obama a blow job queen overfacilitated with rezko cash and earmark money.

  335. Dot,

    About the PA phone calls. When are they most effective? Three weeks before the primary or 3 days before the primary?

  336. innula
    HI ya:)

    I read that and cracked up laughing

    Now we know what hillary has been up to in that volcano ROTFLMAO

    Im watching to that story to come out it was elluded to in a short report from Obamas speech today by a CNN woman reporter. With a bit o luck it will come out on monday morning so the news will have to cover it all day long.

  337. pulch .. if I can help let me know. I’m in Tn but I’ve got a good ear and if you want you can email me .. w v g a l 5 7 1 @ y a h o o . c o m

  338. I’m in Tn but I’ve got a good ear

    It’s true, what we Tennesseans lack in teeth we make up for in ears. 😉

  339. Larry Elder says how BO could not know about Wright’s inflammatory comments is beyond him.

    Elder is an AA radio host.

  340. Yes, the phonebanking team needs to tell our support that they can’t just take this for granted. We need every vote in the booth. Too important. I personally think that the Friday till Tuesday before the Primary is prime .. that is my experience only though ..

    I think the PUSH the numbers up and let voters know how important this is.

  341. a little positive sidetrack – Hillary photo album: TX, OH, PA

  342. Basil, Larry Elder is also a conservative, and a proud one at that. But like I said, anyone who takes a jab at BO is fine by me… for now.

  343. Idunn, just read today that Nashville has the best teeth in US. No kidding. I thought, nah, just most expensive dentists maybe.

  344. EMVFH,

    i heard snippets of that report on one of the shows this afternoon. it was breaking news with more details to follow.

  345. Thursday night we have a politics show here called “hearts and minds” and the discussed hillarys role in N Ireland, they ahd a bitter unionist on who is so young he’d have been in nappies when Hill was here, and some guy who wrote a book again, not anyone that was involved in the peace process, but who only wrote about it in a book (hundreds of them ehre) anyohw Geraldine McAteer was on and she was at the cross community meeting Hillary came to. She was brilliant speaking about hillary, she mentioned the vital voice groups that is now gone international, and she said what is important and most people dont realise, that hillary is basicaly responsible for getting women into politics here. Hillarys people should get a transcript of that show or get a video of it. Also should contact McAteer for some comments or a video as she was there when Hillary spoke.

  346. Idunn, just read today that Nashville has the best teeth in US.

    All the better to munch California’s shitty e-coli spinach. 😉

  347. filbert,

    Don’t know about Elder but I agree that anyone AA denouncing BO is helpful.

    Juan Williams also got in a few licks.

    Dot, well I’m studying the script spacegirl sent me and i’m working up energy to make some calls but I’d prefer to call when it’s most useful.

  348. basil##yes I did too!

    since then i’ve been searching and jsut found three links wereh it was being talked about, then went back fwe minuts later and one link is gone, but it is still up at myDD

    I think it will come out on Monday, unless Satan’s people shut them up with some sort of threats, we will see

  349. Calling this a race at this point is regarding the numbers in place right now and the limited power that future numbers will have on the total. Obama can’t lose this; it only can be taken away from him. And if that happens, the Demorats will every bit have lost the African American votes as they ironically did with the southern vote after supporting the Civil Rights Act in the 1960’s. Losing the African American vote translates to political suicide to the Democrats.

    The above narrative is how the DNC is framing this to the superdelegates and anyone else who will listen.

    The math is not in her favor however; it is a long way till August and nobody plans to “take” this from Obama if he wins legit. However; we cannot accept an unvetted candidate .. as he says .. we may as well hand it to McCain if we do this

  350. CNN: Black pastors to denounce Obama!
    by Universal, Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:00:29 PM GMT
    [Update: Someone on Democratic Underground obviously saw CNN touting the same story which I heard Malveaux repeat: DU: AA Pastors to denounce Obama] —————————————————————————————————-
    This just in from CNN’s Suzanne Malveaux:
    Some (don’t know how many or who) African-American pastors are apparently set to publicly denounce Barack Obama for Obama’s distancing himself from his spiritual adviser, Jeremiah Wright.
    If this is true, not only is Obama likely in dire straits with the majority of Americans whom Rev. Wright has insulted via his sermons, but he could be facing a backlash from his most loyal voting base: fellow African-Americans.
    Without knowing any of the details, my only guess is that these pastors are feeling like Barack has left Wright out to dry after 20 years of friendship and spiritual advisement.
    It should also be noted that one time in the past many felt Barack left Wright hanging, as the NYT points out here: itics/06obama.html?pagewanted=print
    But Mr. Wright said Mr. Obama called him the night before the Feb. 10 announcement and rescinded the invitation to give the invocation.
    “Fifteen minutes before Shabbos I get a call from Barack,” Mr. Wright said in an interview on Monday, recalling that he was at an interfaith conference at the time. “One of his members had talked him into uninviting me,” Mr. Wright said, referring to Mr. Obama’s campaign advisers.
    More as I find it out. If anyone knows anything else, please feel free to add to this diary.
    Suffice to say, this is not the news Obama wanted to hear as he fights to retain his campaign’s fading viability as the Wright scandal continues to gain momentum.
    Stay tuned.

  351. Suffice to say, this is not the news Obama wanted to hear as he fights to retain his campaign’s fading viability as the Wright scandal continues to gain momentum.
    Stay tuned.

    Is that you, emvh, or Suzanne Malveaux

    BTW, johnflint, tell that erstwhile Edwards supporter how he thinks a candidate who can’t win TX, OH, CA, NY and NJ in the primaries will win the GE. In fact, we never had a nominee who lost all those big states and still got the nomination. And, yes, Obama lost the primary in TX. That’s what I’m referring to.

  352. Dot,

    “Obama can’t lose this.'”

    Oh yes he can!

    And the Dens can lose, too.

    Sickening that message being circulated. 👿

  353. the letter fromhillary campaign on tx caucuses-shows specific violations. of course these dmn guys are hwoling she is tryign tot stel it. please. as long as camp hillary has a few vid clips of this mess they got a strong case.

  354. Recommend everyone check out Taylor Marsh’s site, seems the comment section is more frequently moderated. The infighting here is getting a little off topic, don’t ya think?

  355. Regarding Texas, it seems very undemocratic and illegal to award caucus delegates based upon 41% of the total vote. Even if BO has a higher % of the caucus votes, wouldn’t Hillary pickup a few more delegates based upon the outstanding counties? It seems unfair to award delegates based upon an incomplete count, especially, when there were so many problems reported in the caucuses. The caucus results should be invalidated, if they cannot count all the votes. This is a travestry.

  356. Dot,
    Kerry was a war hero, a patriot and the repubs had to pull out all the stops to swiftboat him.

    BO doesn’t have a friggin leg to stand on. How much easier will it be to ‘swiftboat’ him? Even Dobbs was saying, last night, that a couple of months ago he hadn’t thought there was a chance in he!! that the Dems wouldn’t take back the WH but now he’s not so sure.
    At this point HRC HAS to keep fighting for the sake of her millions of supporters.

  357. No, that message is not being circulated. Read JohnFlint above exchange with the previous Edwards supporter…I said this is how I think it is being framed .. My opinion from reading that exchange is that it is a “narrative”. Read it very closely. I added this along with a few tidbits I have picked up here and there.

  358. Since the DEMS is taking our party to HELL with Obambi I just they want Rush and all the right wingers to play those tapes and videos 24/7 and for Sean Hannity and O’Reilly to go off on this quote by Dr. Wright:

    “When Moses finally escaped the Egyptians, he turned to God and asked, “There could surely be no one as bad at those people?” God said to Moses, “Yes there are. Beware the honkeys. Beware the crackers. Especially beware the Jews. I hate all those people. Frankly, if you blow up their buildings, that’s okay with me.”

    That wisdom speaks even more to us today as we are beset by honkeys. America is a country founded by crackers and run by Jews that exists for no other reason than to kill black people. They invented AIDS to kill us. They made crack to drug us. They use hidden ninjas to stage black on black violence. Hillary does not understand this. In fact, she’s busy in her hollowed out volcano working on AIDS version two. That’s why they are scared of a black man being president, because he will cut the millions of dollars that go to black genocide and instead invest that money where God says it should be: In killing honkey!

    Yes, they will stop at nothing to keep the black man out of power and from his rightful job of cracker-cide. That’s why they spread the rumors about Obama. They say he’s inexperienced and he’ll be a disaster. That’s not an argument against him, because America deserves a disaster! So they try to say he’s secretly a Muslim. Again, that’s not an argument against him, because maybe he should be a Muslim. They’re doing God’s work: Blowing up the honkeys and the Jews. So only reason that all those crackers oppose Obama is that they know he’s going to succeed at what he promises: Killing the honkeys!”
    This is not Christian Theology…WTF!! Obama been having his daughters listening this this all their lives…OBAMA is a RACIST!!!

    Now I hope the Repugs let him have it…This Rev. Wright is preaching Blasphemy in the LORD’s name.

  359. The infighting here is getting a little off topic, don’t ya think?

    Mind your own damned business, Cracker!

  360. basil, I agree. And again, on the phonebanking .. if you do not feel comfortable then don’t feel that you have to do this. I actually practiced on my own fellow Volunteers and I still have a bit of queasy feeling when I hear that first ring. However, Pa seems to be a friendly place for us. I actually think next week is not too soon. The other team is already banking and we can’t let Pa think we take them for granted. I plan to let then know that I’m calling early cause I want them to know we are depending on them and need them to make this happen.

  361. This is not Christian Theology…WTF!! Obama been having his daughters listening this this all their lives…OBAMA is a RACIST!!!

    LMAO! Carby…that’s a satirical piece. meant to be funny, not real.

  362. carby

    I saw that post earlier today and I thought it was a joke – satire

    that’s not for real is it?

  363. Dot,
    I figured you were paraphrasing but it sounds pretty likely, to me.


    Is that a Wright passage? For real? I’m gonna be sick.

    IDUNN, keep us updated about other bursts of intuition you get (like the one upthread predicting the other shoe’s gonna drop).

  364. Basil…I just read up thread

    there is a new # almost daily

    best to get in touch with Jon on the letter for the most recent version they want you to use. I’ll be calling tomorrow

  365. two people that commented on the MyDD page also heard it here is comment that includes the time it was said the second time

    at 5:09 pm on CNN, Malveaux stating that some Black Ministers are upset at Obama for distancing himself from Wright, stating he’s QUITE mainstream as a Minister, and that they will be publically denouncing Obama’s decision to denounce Wright ‘soon’.

  366. experience-matters-vote-hillary
    I pray they do this – cause after that he is done with 1000%

  367. Wright is not Mainstream…those Black Ministers are delusional in their bitterness.

    Regarding my post on Wright speech…I’m not sure if it’s a satirical site but I did look and I couldn’t find anything that indicated that. But if that is Admin Pls remove it.

  368. the obama bots are in panic mode worrying over the black ministers denouncing Obama LOL
    go here and scroll down to see blind panic LOL

    w w w×5094685

    really gone to bed now:)

  369. experience-matters-vote-hillary
    it doesn’t work but anywyas – I will tell you all what I read. Obama people are completely freaked that this scandal will be around for another week. It will destroy him and they plan different actions

  370. if you eant to read it put this

    Black pastors to denounce Obama

    in the google and you will see the link with this name

    CNN : Black Ministers will Denounce Obama for Denouncing Wright …

    click on it and you will see

  371. It’s purposeful. It’s intended to help him, IMO. A faux sistah soldah.

    Guys, the argument is going to be that aa’s won’t support Hill. The DNC will do all they can to stop her. I gathered this from my correspondence with Donna. This is so unfair.

  372. Guys, the argument is going to be that aa’s won’t support Hill.

    Yes, that’s what the ex-Edwards guy told johnflint. It’s a major argument they’re pushing.

  373. mj….

    perhaps you should frame your Brazile exchange in an open letter to the DNC and the SD’s.

    If it is clear that the Rules and By-Laws Committee Chair is appearing to back one candidate over another, there should be room for an objection. Also, if she is framing her argument against Hillary because of RACE, this a NEWS.

    It might be wise to send it to Clinton Campaign? Media?

  374. She could be formally asked to step aside in this position because there appears to be a conflict of interest in her position on the Credentials Committee and the Convention if there is a floor fight

  375. mj “The DNC will do all they can to stop her. I gathered this from my correspondence with Donna.”

    this is a REALLY BIG DEAL

    the DNC is not supposed to show faviritism to one candidate over another. It is on ORGANIZATION designed to promote the Dem Party. The Primary Process is for the voters and the delegates and the SD’d to decide the winner. NOT the DNC Leadership.

    This IS a real issue if she really went so far as to say as much

  376. I am not a racist, but I will not vote for a man for President who so closely associate with the type of folks Obama has been shown to hang with. I do not care for his philosophy, I do not care for his credentials for the job, and I do not care for his arrogance or the anger and nastiness of his followers.

  377. OMG…this from an Obamaton regarding the Wright situation and black ministers denouncing Bambi for denouncing Wright:

    Obama’s strength has been his colorlessness; the line of attack has been to turn him “back” into a black candidate. If black ministers feel he has done “anti-black” thing, his colorlessness is re-established!


  378. Americans of all stripes are going to freak when Chief Justice Roberts is swearing in BO, using his full name, and Michelle is there, surrounded by Wright, farrakhan and William Ayers. Nice picture. Change comes to America.

  379. Don’t know if this has been posted. It’s from the Religion and Ethics Newsweekly, March 9, 2007. It looks like a transcript of a radio or television interview. Bob Abernathy interviews Rev. Jeremiah Wright

    Some interesting excerpts:

    KIM LAWTON: Senator Barack Obama says he has been deeply influenced by his church, Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s South Side, and its senior pastor Jeremiah Wright. That connection is now generating political controversy. Wright says he’s not surprised.

    Rev. JEREMIAH WRIGHT (Senior Pastor, Trinity United Church of Christ): You think it’s ugly now. It’s going to get worse. It’s going to get much worse.

    LAWTON: With 9,000 members, Trinity is the largest and one of the most prominent congregations in the United Church of Christ. In the past few weeks, conservative bloggers and pundits have begun raising concerns about Wright’s Africentric theology and his liberal — some say radical — politics. Wright has been an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq and a strong supporter of the Palestinians.

    LAWTON: Some campaign advisors are reportedly urging Obama to distance himself from Wright. At the last minute, Obama asked Wright not to offer a public prayer at the rally when he announced his run for the presidency. Wright told us he has long understood that Obama may be forced to distance himself.

    Rev. WRIGHT: He can’t afford the Jewish support to wane or start questioning his allegiance to the state of Israel because I’m saying I think the position we’ve taken in terms of Palestinians is wrong.

    LAWTON: Wright says he warned Obama at the beginning of his career that their relationship could have negative ramifications.

    Rev. WRIGHT: They’re going to associate your name with mine, and that could be detrimental, I told him back then. It holds just as true, even more so, now.

  380. meiyingsu…i am so GD sick and tired of this tactic. We will no longer have a democratic party by the time this guy and his DNC buddies are through.

  381. But why stop there. We’ve got like tons of national parks; we surely wouldn’t miss just one if we nuked it. Our excuse will be that we heard a drug dealer was hiding there. Then the foreign nations would be like, “Sacre bleu! These Americans are nuking themselves! Surely they will think nothing of bombing us! Let’s adapt their vapid culture as our own so they might consider us one of them.”

    OMG…I’m seriously about to pee my pants laughing.

  382. SpacegirlArt, DNC wants democratic party to become BLACK party. they ignore women, working class. asians, and latinos.

  383. Idunn “”Holy @$#%! They are nuking the moon! America has gone insane!”


    I want the shirt!

  384. IDunn…thanks for that link. Funny as hell.

    Meyingsu…let ’em have it then. We need a third party, and when the real Dems OF ALL ETHNICITIES pull out, they will have the BDP filled with Obamabots ad angry black people

  385. terron & linfar

    thank you for posing reasonable questions

    in my small county we went from (after all the math)

    Precinct Del County Del

    Clinton 1.69/2 33.8% 2.58/2 51.0%

    Obama .31 6.3% 1.01/1 20.3%

    Richardson .38 7.5%

    Edwards 2.63/3 52.5% 1.72/2 34.3%

    Now, here comes my old professorial habits:

    what strikes you as unusual in this picture?

  386. I really feel like that if Obama is the nominee…you’ll see very low turnout in November and I don’t give a shit who he puts on the ticket with him. HRC will not be part of this destruction of the party I do know that.

    Remember .. we need massive turnouts for Hillary in the next states. Bill Clinton will work his majic in the small towns.

    Hillary needs to start telling her rallye’s that she needs them to go vote…emphasize this more than once in the rallye. Let them know that the numbers matter .. not just a win but a massive win.

  387. Before there was any such thing as a Republican or a Democrat, we were black.

    Before there was any such thing as a Mason or an Elk, we were black.

    Before there was any such thing as a Jew or a Christian, we were black people!

    In fact, before there was any such place as America, we were black!

    And after America has long passed from the scene, there will still be black people.

    Malcom X

  388. Well, the argument that AA’s won’t vote for Hillary can be looked at in many ways.

    For one thing, what if the SD’s are wrong and the AA’s do go for her? Does she get the popular vote and Obama the delegate vote?

    And another thing, isn’t it just as possible that non-AA’s won’t vote for Obama now?

    I hate that this is become an argument of racial splits. This man is not a uniter. If anything he is the biggest divider of all!

  389. marched behind senator clinton today. my first and last patty’s day parade. she looked great and lots of support from the crowd

  390. Howard Dean said (links at h t t p : / / )

    We ought to make voting easier to do. Mail — Oregon has got it right. (Applause.)”
    Source: Take Back America 2005 conference, in Washington D.C., June 2, 2005

    “the Republicans are all about suppressing votes.”
    Source: “Take Back America” Conference, Washington, DC, June 2, 2005

  391. rjk1957 Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    We are stuck with Dean until his term runs out in January or February.

    How do we support his opponent then? Does he have an opponent yet?

  392. What we need is Sugar. We need Suagr to either email with Donna and get the talking points on record or write avery powerful email about this bs and send it to all the major news outlets, if she will do that. That is what it is going to take.

  393. “Guys, the argument is going to be that aa’s won’t support Hill.”

    Oh come on! Obama loses more than twice as many of Clinton’s supporters as vice versa already, and that number will grow. The DNC can’t read polling data now? African Americans do support Hillary, betcha lots of women won’t support Obama and his sexism.

  394. Hillary’s website is kind of slow…. only 56 people commented on her blog of Hubdate: Pittsburgh

  395. 1950democrat

    I do not think the Chairman serves more than 1 consecutive term recently anyway. Anyone nominated is better them Doctor Helpful

  396. @justme: They’re all probably partying and drinking green beer in the spirit of St. Patty’s day!

  397. true… I agree… I just hope we can pull it off you know….WE CANNOT AFFORD ANY DAY OF LOSING…..

  398. I know… I know… Im just worried about the Wright thing if it will be swept under the carpet, we need to educate the people in the coming states about the real Obama…. esp. with how Obama tries to portray himself as the victim. I mean how can he not know about the preachings of Wright afterall he’s known him for 20 years, goes to his church, and the likes. If people were concerned, they would’ve told Obama… he’s the community advocate or something…he should know

  399. From a blog on the Democratic Party’s website

    “Obama’s MONEY RICH friends gathered tonight OUTSIDE of Chicago; on Goose Island: Laying Down More OFFERINGS to HIM!
    None of the White folk in limos looked concerned about Obama’s reverse discrimination leanings!”

  400. timjcain “first and last” Hey you tease..Why last?

    I heard there was a ton of Hill support

    Did you have a bad experience?

  401. rjk1957 Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
    I do not think the Chairman serves more than 1 consecutive term recently anyway. Anyone nominated is better them Doctor Helpful

    To be fair, Dean seems to get the credit for winnning Congress in 2006 with his “50 state strategy.” He wanted to recapture the pickup truck crowd intead of writing them off for the GOP. But I’m kind of puzzled at him expecting them to back Obama.

    So, you know, maybe we’re misjudging him on some current stuff. “Never attribute to malice what can be explained as stupidity.”

    But I’m sure Brazile should be impeached! 😉

  402. One of our Texas Caucus friends might wat to go an give the truth to this poster from Oregon about texas caucus

    Dem Party website. You have to register

    w w w

    Will there be a Democrat elected for president in 2008?
    By Democrat in Monmouth, OR – Mar 15th, 2008 at 11:14 pm EDT
    I have been a confirmed Independent for 30 years. I recently changed my registration to the Democratic party. I am supporting Obama in this election and would not vote for Clinton(s) if Obama doesn’t get the nomination.
    When Obama has won, he has won by a much larger margin than when Clinton has won. In reviewing the letter Clinton people sent regarding purported irregularities in the Texas caucus, I see a desperate attempt to create a situation that if Hilary doesn’t get the nomination then a Democrat will not win the Presidency in 2008.

  403. I love my country. Patriotism crosses party lines, the Republicans don’t own the patriotism issue. I know Hillary loves America. I am shocked and saddened by what Obama’s associations say about his feelings for America. I do not think he holds her precious and dear, and I do not believe his feelings run deep.

    Thank you Hillary, for staying in the race and not giving up. Obama CANNOT be the Democratic choice!

  404. John…i think if there were an official Edwards endorsement it wouldn’t come at ten thirty on Saturday night

    we might want to wait for the news. Don’t know where Matthews was even seen tonight, and it would seem to be breaking news on all networks. It’s not.

    RemembeR SNL guys….Obama is said to have declined, but they have Spitzer to work with this week

  405. johnflint1985

    I checked msnbc on TV and searched the web and can find nothing. He has not answered any questions about his post so I am disregarding it.

  406. Forget Donna. it’s just her opinion. I’m going to forget it. She may personally feel that way. What do I know?

  407. goodnight my friends, KEEP it up! We still have a LOT OF WORK ahead of us… some of my friends over at facebook continue to think its over (on her facebook page) despite my telling them it is NOT yet over…. and some still dont even understand or know what the deal is with WRIGHT so we got to continue to BOMBARD youtube or to EDUCATE PEOPLE the HATE that is being preached is WRONG

  408. I see. Well any boost will be good. But I think Obama have his hands full in any case. Scandal doesn’t look any smaller on TV and news. Blogs are bursting with anger. Obama supporters are depressed – i see this everywhere – some didn’t show today on the regular forum. I think (hope) we reached the tipping point.

  409. here is what’s in store for Sunday AM talk shows:

    This Week with George Stephanopoulos
    Pelosi Discusses ’08 & Iraq; Secretary Paulson Talks About the Economy

    Meet the Press
    Obama supporter Fmr. Sen. Bill Bradley (D-NJ) vs. Clinton supporter Rep. Nita Lowey (D-NY). Decision 2008 roundtable: The Washington Post’s David Broder, NBC’s David Gregory, and PBS’s Michele Norris.

    Fox News Sunday
    Clinton supporter Sen. Charles Schumer and Obama surrogate Sen. Chris Dodd; Secretary Paulson Talks About the Economy

    Face the Nation
    Clinton support Leon Panetta, Obama supporter Gov. Deval Patrick, NY Times David Brooks, Chicago Tribune Clarence Page

  410. Here is really what gets my hackles up “I have been a confirmed Independent for 30 years. I recently changed my registration to the Democratic party. I am supporting Obama in this election and would not vote for Clinton(s) if Obama doesn’t get the nomination.”

    now…what part of this person is a DEMOCRAT?

    NONE…just Obama

  411. rjk1957: I’m hoping the superdelegates chooses the candidate with the more popular vote and the best chances to win blue states and swing states in the general which will be Hillary. This article on New Quarter discusses the delegate situation well:

    Pelosi is still being an ass though and wants the superdelegates to support the candidate with the most delegates. She really hates Hillary Clinton doesn’t she?


  412. Oh Deval. he’s probably in to talk about trinity. His brother-in-law is the deacon at the on in MA. He’s a member.

  413. lninla Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    agree Dot48 re: phonebanking for PA – some Clinton ppl might stay home just because they assume she’ll win.

    RIGHT! Explain that she doesn’t just need to ‘win the state’, she needs the biggest popular vote ever!

  414. I hate reading things like ‘Hillary Clinton is the most hated woman in the entire world’ on the Dem Party Web Blogs by Obama supporters,

    WHY is she? What are the grounds?

    These people make me ill. And it really makes me want to cry because of the rote ignorance.

  415. Yes, if anyone can cal tomorrow, email me if they want the dialer script. I should have new numbers tomorrow.

    I have to head to bed gang. Thanks for everything y’all do for Hillary Clinton.

  416. there should be a youtube video where Obama critized Clinton about words can inspire people words can move people etc etc and then show the clip of Wright

  417. Two weeks after making her disdain for the nation clear during a campaign speech for her husband in Wisconsin, Michelle further debased America by saying that we’re a country that is “just downright mean.”

  418. Paula Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    OK, no one answered my question about how far Hillary is behind in the populare vote, not including MI and FL.

    I think we need to be using a vote count site that shows both the total vote counts and the registered Democrat vote counts. Last I heard she was way ahead in registered Dems, even before the recent victories. Also there are so many different ways to count the votes that we need to be suspicious of the idea that she is behind al all, and get our info from pro-Hillary sites. Maybe the NYT?

  419. justmeinmountdorafl Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
    I know… I know… Im just worried about the Wright thing if it will be swept under the carpet, we need to educate the people in the coming states about the real Obama…. esp. with how Obama tries to portray himself as the victim.

    not to worry the Rezko trial will be very revealing… there’s enough dirt there to fill an olympic size swimmng pool.

  420. rjk

    you know what? I don’t know. I had argued w/ the chair about his math, and thought I won, at least on the delegate count for Hillary. If I accept his first numbers, it drops to 42% for HRC and doesn’t change the delegate count, but po’s me even more about our county Dem chair, whom I am trying to oust.

    he knows it too, because he put off usual election of county Dem officers til central committee meeting, which has to be held w/in 21 days of today…but election was on our agenda for today.

    Not the only thing he determined was his decision; I had to call HRC lawyer bank twice this afternoon to force 3 issues of party rules on him. I am not his fave right now.

    And he nows I am going to call him out.

  421. That is an unbelievable (as in omg) piece on Michele Obama. If they survive that interview then I’ll just throw my hands up in the air!

  422. Why would some nitwit come here and say Matthews reporting Edwards will endorse Clinton? I mean, I suppose it’s an Obama troll. But really, how lame!

  423. Emjay

    the only way he can come up with that total would be to count Obama supporters twice in order for him to get 1 delegate. You would think if he were playing with the numbers he would at least have the sense to make sure they total 100% not 105.6%

    The delegates should have been Hillary 3 and Edwards 2.

  424. ok what am i missing here-someone on this board either claims seriosuly or is pulling a joke that there is report that edwards is endorsing sen clinton. that is very major news. so-joke or not? im thinking a joke

  425. rickroberts Says:

    March 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
    Chris Matthew reporting that Edwards will endorse Hillary.

    rickroberts has not responded to any questions.

  426. Emjay…you did great work…my brain hurts just reading the numbers stuff.


    Here is a GOOD link to contact delegates in a form

    h t t p o n l y

  427. ok, bed for real

    Weekend Update taking too long

    Must have BO on and he’s making them wait! LOL

    I can do with out it

    XOXOX to all

  428. rjk

    hate to say it but one of my “jobs” was to keep an eye on BO workings…they did go from 4 to 13 delegates…originally to 15 delegates, but I got 2 to at least become undecideds.

    Their (BO) numbers are right , trust me. The contention betwn me and chair is summed up in one declarative sentence he made…””….it doesn’t really matter if it is what I say it is, or what you say it is…the delegate count will be the same.”

    True, but a heart attack in the making…2.11 delegates or 2.57–to me that is a big f)))) difference. Especially as the entire convention got screwed out of the realignment…all I needed was 5 more Edwards peeps to get to 2.97 delegates, in other words, 3 of the 5 available.

    It is interesting to me that no one has picked up on the anomoly in my original report of numbers/outcome in our county….

  429. I just posted at h t t p : / /

    It’s about ‘dream ticket’ and has only 32 comments so far.

    Hillary had great luck (or great timing) on this. She made her gracious unity offer of VP and Obama ungraciously rejected it. All just before Obama was hit by the scandals about Rezko and his Black racist church. So now she doesn’t have to worry about him on her ticket if new Obama scandals come out.

    See h t t p : / /

  430. hillfans, im still confused about pittsburg mayor ravenstahl’s position as a superdelegate or not. i checked demconvention watch and it does not list him as one. what’s up with that?

  431. Tracy Morgan had a very anti-Hillary, pro-Obama piece on SNL Weekend update. It ended with “Bitch may be the new black, but black is the new president, bitch.”

    Nasty rather than funny…

  432. the pittsburg mayor isnt an sd. ny times says many sds buy bambis arguement that it is deleagtes not pop vote tht matter. things are going to hell for this party. is there a site where it shows sds and contacts for them? lets hope more wrightgate continues next week.

  433. PS

    If Edwards is going to endorse our girl, I am furious he waited til after the Iowa county convention…one of their main arguments for sticking together was that he had given no guidance…some delusionals think he is going to re-enter.

    My fave HRC supporter here besides 2 cantankerous 85ish women is the person I’ve titled my administrative officer (and an ongoing delegate by the way) and she is married to the most delusional JE supporter in the county.

    Ah life, ah irony.

    They are now going to CD convention w/ as many delegates from our county as Hill has….

  434. Americangal: That is down right nasty. I guess, they did not want to leave any room that they are anti-hillary. That is very abusive. I am so sad, about this whole sham of an election.

  435. thanx texas4hillary. still a good endorsement anyway. west pa is important fo a big hillary win in pa.YAY!!

  436. texan: Hillary’s site has a section called “delegate hub” that has tips for writing to SDs. One would hope, the SDs would be familiar with the rules.

  437. I just posted at h t t p : / /

    but there are already 225 comments

    “But it’s a delegate race,” Pelosi replied. “The way the system works is that the delegates choose the nominee.”

    This makes sense if she’s talking about ALL the delegates, including the 796 ‘superdelegates’. We can’t just go by a raw popular vote or we’d be having recount lawsuits over every hanging chad.

    For the same reason the supers need to be able to break a near-tie in elected delegates; otherwise we could be down to half a dozen elected delegate difference and lawsuits over the delegates who were elected in close primaries or messy caucuses.

    When there’s a conflict between popular vote and elected delegate count, it’s not reasonable for the supers to go against the popular vote. Especially when Obama’s delegates are on-paper delegates from red states won in caucuses, and Hillary’s are from swing states and blue states won in primaries.

    If you send two applicants out to collect clams on the beach and one comes back with a bucket of healthy useful clams and the other with a bucket of empty shells, which do you choose? Especially if the empty shell applicant threatens to have his rowdy friends break your windows if you don’t choose him.

  438. In light of the article on the SD it doesn’t address what they would do if one candidate had the delegate count but the other had the popular vote.

    Also, the fact that a certain % of delegates remained uncommitted in Iowa tells me that some are still not sure who to endorse and they want to see what happens. I would read that as a good sign. If they were leaning to Obama they would have gone over to him right now.

  439. and to think, all I did was go to a coffee w/ MY 83 yr old friend (who is sick of all politics by now, and told me today was her last day “in it” til election day.)

    I got stuck on Hillary and she is stuck on me. (at least I think so, because she recognizes me every time I see her.)
    And I’m more than a mere voter now, for life, I think.

    Even if it is from American Samoa.

  440. I know who would know for sure if Obama was at the Christmas day sermon, but will not talk.

    The Secret Service.

    Obama has had SS protection since May 3, 2007

  441. rjk: I wonder, if Obama was at the Jan 13th sermon? Isn’t that the one, with the rant on Hillary? I think, it was the last sermon (one can call it that).

  442. last week i read an article about how snl members were divided about having hillary on,half didnt want her… and didnt like the skitts.

    they also got alot of complaints by obamabots and campaign, and they said they would be fair and so some pro obama…

  443. SpacegirlArt Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    I hate reading things like ‘Hillary Clinton is the most hated woman in the entire world’ on the Dem Party Web Blogs by Obama supporters,

    WHY is she? What are the grounds?

    Spacegirl, it’s NOT TRUE. Hillary is one of the most admired women world-wide. (Ranks right under Queen Elizabeth and such people.) In the US overall her ‘negatives’ are about the same as Obama’s, or less. Do some research and find some good sources, and post those back at the idiots.

  444. Pelosi is the biggest hipocrite there is. Wow, what moral authority she has to tell teh deleagtes how to vote when they won’t even let certain states vote. “the superdelegates need to reflect the way the states voted–um, no, not those states, we’re not letting them vote.”

    I iwsh some rave superdelegates would come ut and say they’re casting their votes on behalf on the disenfranchised people of Florida and Michigan.

  445. Obama supporters are so hateful. I know I am not telling you guys anything new here…but the level of their vitriol and hatefulness still manages to surprise me. Yet they think they are the uniters?

  446. BTW: I knew not to watch SNL tonight. After reading that article of how Obama was whining that SNL was treating him badly, I knew SNL would do something nasty to Clinton.

  447. dedfg

    By the time Tracy Morgan came on most people had already turned it off, that is how bad the show was. Jonah Hill is not funny in his movies and even less so live.


    I’m no Muslim, says Barack Obama

    Sunday, December 23rd 2007, 4:00 AM

    PLEASANTVILLE, Iowa – *****A day before he will fly back to Chicago to spend Christmas with his family*****, a voter asked Barack Obama to explain his “Muslim background” – an Internet-fed fallacy that continues to dog his campaign.

    Becky Michael, 58, accepted Obama’s assurances Saturday that he is Christian. But her reasons for asking showed the trouble the rumor can cause the Illinois senator.

    “It’s not so important that he is a Christian, although I’m very thankful he is,” said Michael. “But it’s very important that he’s not a Muslim.”

    Asked to respond to Michael’s remarks, campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki declined to criticize her. Instead, she said, “Barack Obama embraces people of all faiths and welcomes them as supporters.”

    Earlier this month, former Sen. Bob Kerrey sparked controversy when he endorsed Hillary Clinton but lauded Obama’s family connection to Islam. Kerrey mentioned Obama’s middle name – Hussein – and said incorrectly that Obama had attended a madrassa, or Islamic religious school.

    For most of this year, Obama has been dogged by Internet chatter that suggested the Democratic presidential contender is Muslim. He belongs to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.

    Obama explained his faith to Michael over tea and pumpkin pie at the Smokey Row coffeehouse.

    “My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn’t practice Islam. Truth is he wasn’t very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas,” Obama said. “I’ve always been a Christian…. The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country. But I’ve never practiced Islam.”

    Obama told Michael that he lived in Indonesia, a Muslim country, as a child because his mother was teaching there.

    Asked by Michael to define what being a Christian is, Obama said, “Somebody who believes in Jesus Christ as our lord and savior.”

    “I’m so glad,” Michael replied.

    After talking with Obama, Michael, who was wearing a white sweatshirt with the words “I believe in Angels” on it, told the Daily News she “appreciated his honesty, his forthrightness.”

    “I’m glad I got an answer because the Middle East is being run by the Muslims. And their kind of freedom is not the freedom that America has fought for all our lives, and I want to know that the next President of the United States, if it’s Barack Obama, will be fighting for the freedom that America has fought for.”

    DID HE ATTEND Jeremiah Wright’s Sermon? He was in Chicago. It would make sense for him to attend.

  449. Tps: DID HE ATTEND Jeremiah Wright’s Sermon? He was in Chicago. It would make sense for him to attend.

    If Fox has the tapes, hopefully, they’ll be able to tell. If he was there, then he heard the rant on Hillary and did not walk out.

    One of the main reasons that I do not like BO, is that he gives tacit approval for the Hillary hate, that his supporters display. He does not discourage this vitrolic hatred towards her. This is not the behavior of a man, who is a uniter and abhors divisive tactics. He is such a fraud. What is so scary, is that millions of people have been taken in by him.

  450. Obama prepares for full assault on Clinton
    Contender to take aim at Clinton’s ethics

    By John McCormick | Tribune correspondent
    March 16, 2008

    PLAINFIELD, Ind. — Sen. Barack Obama is trying to air his dirty laundry—even some items that might appear just a little wrinkled—as he prepares a full assault on Sen. Hillary Clinton over ethics and transparency.

    On Saturday he invoked Robert F. Kennedy as he continued to try to distance himself from controversial statements made by his former Chicago pastor that are circulating on the Internet.

    With a gap between campaign contests, Obama is trying to unload controversies. On Friday he held extended conversations with the Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times about his longtime relationship with indicted developer and fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

    The Illinois Democrat is also expected to make public his tax returns for several years before 2006, documents he previously has provided to the Tribune and other news organizations.

    Clinton, who appeared Saturday in two St. Patrick’s Day parades in Pennsylvania, has said she will release her post-White House tax returns in mid-April, perhaps just ahead of the April 22 Pennsylvania primary.

    Her campaign, meanwhile, suggested that many questions remain about Obama’s relationship with Rezko.

    “The revelations in today’s newspapers make it clear that Sen. Obama has not always been as straightforward” as he has suggested, Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

    The New York senator also said she supported an effort by Michigan Democrats to hold a June primary, a do-over for one not sanctioned by the national party.

    And on the issue of delegates vs. superdelegates, in an interview to be broadcast Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said it would be damaging to the party for leaders to dismiss the will of delegates picked in state contests, a declaration that could help Obama.

    As the ethics debate played out, Obama campaigned in this heavily Republican suburb of Indianapolis, a town that is 95 percent white.

    As Clinton emphasizes Pennsylvania, Obama is trying to expand the map.

    Before he took the stage before about 3,000, a prayer was said. It was a rarity for his events, but a nod to the conservative tradition of Indiana, whose primary is May 6.

    In 2004, President Bush beat Sen. John Kerry in Indiana, 60 percent to 39 percent. In Hendricks County, where Obama was, it was 73 percent to 26 percent.

    Obama again rejected remarks of his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, calling them “incendiary” and encouraging Americans to look past racial divisions.

    “If all I knew was those statements that I saw on television, I would be shocked,” he said. “We’ve got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country. We’ve got a lot of pent up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding.”

    Obama’s campaign said Friday that Wright is no longer a member of Obama’s African-American Religious Leadership Committee.

    In making his appeal, Obama invoked Kennedy, who spoke extemporaneously in nearby Indianapolis from the bed of a truck on the night Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated in 1968.

    “Remember what Bobby Kennedy said,” Obama said. “It is within our power to join together to truly make a United States of America.”

    Obama was vague when asked Friday by the Tribune whether he believes pastors at his church — Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s South Side—have violated its tax-exempt status by advocating for him.

    “I will leave that up to the IRS,” he said. “I have never heard them say, ‘Vote for Barack’ or, you know, engage in outright politics.”

    Obama also predicted no resolution to the nomination fight until at least June. “I don’t think it will be over until the last contest, which may or may not be Puerto Rico,” he said.

    In such a long primary battle, Obama said being dynamic is essential.

    “You have to constantly renew yourself and what you’re saying and what you’re doing,” he said, adding that he partially blames recent losses in Texas and Ohio on his message getting “stale.”,0,6399743.story

  451. birdgal,

    Here is from BET news that he spent Christmas day in Chicago with his family:

    Obama Speaks
    Posted December 27, 2007
    By Pamela Gentry, Senior Political Producer
    Posted Dec. 27, 2007 –Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) spent Christmas Day in Chicago with his wife of 15 years, Michelle, and daughters Malia and Natasha.

  452. mj: I read the article, and some of the comments. If Obama is going after Clinton on ethics, it is going to be a rough few weeks. He is currently dealing with issues on Rezko and his church. He is trying to deflect attention from himself to her.

  453. January 29, 2007 which is a Sunday – Obama was at the Trinity United Church of Christ signing books

    A signature moment for Obama and mentor [Caption text only.]
    [Chicagoland Final , CN Edition]

    Chicago Tribune – Chicago, Ill.
    Date: Jan 29, 2007
    Start Page: 3
    Section: Metro
    Text Word Count: 98

    Abstract (Document Summary)
    U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (above, seated center at top of photo, and right) draws a crowd to a book-signing Sunday at Trinity United Church of Christ.


  454. birdgal, I am trying to find out if there is anything on the web or on the archives of Chicago Tribune or Chicago Sun-Times.

  455. You know if reporters ask parishoners if he attended on Christmas they will say no or claim they do not remember so reporters will have to be slick. Say they are doing a series of articles on how the secret service protection of the Obama’s affects the people around them. When the Obama’s come to church is it much of a bother having the secret service screen you when entering the church? Do you have to show I.D.? Have you ever been held up and got in after the service began? It must have been a hassle Christmas day trying to get through the screening before the service started. etc….

  456. Ok, the Edwards rumor was on Matthews show. Some guy who said he heard it via Mark Haleprin said it. I’ll believe it when I see it. No Quarter has the story.

  457. Here’s a 2004 article about black churches not getting into politics. I thought the part about not endorsing candidates was interesting given that Rev. Wright pointed to Obama during a sermon and said “there is a man here who can take this country in a new direction.” Also, I believe the Obama campaign was allowed to set up a table at a major church event Rev. Wright spoke at—It’s not surprising that the IRS is investigating.

    “The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. is one pastor who believes in “preaching his people to the polls.”

    The head of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has launched a “4 in ’04” campaign, urging each church member to take four people to the polls. Voting, he said, “should be a collective responsibility, and I charge each individual I pastor to take this on.”

    Noting federal rules that limit political activity by tax-exempt churches, he said: “We are not endorsing candidates. We are not making political contributions. But we are saying we as God’s people can use our influence for social change.”

  458. Obama gave $5,000 in 2005 to Trinity United Church of Christ

    “For 2005, they recorded $13,385 in interest income and, from the Northern Trust Bank, $2,754 in dividends _ a year after not having even one cent in either category.

    Their reportable charitable giving reached $77,315, with $25,000 for the Illinois Reading Council; $20,000 for the Michelle Lee Fund, a literacy program; $16,000 for CARE, including an AIDS project in Obama’s late father’s native Kenya; $5,000 to the Trinity United Church of Christ and $11,315 for “miscellaneous” organized charities.”

    We know he donated about $22,000 in 2006 and now we know he donated $5,000 in 2005.

  459. There is a TRUMPET magazine with Barack Obama on its cover. The following article says each issue of the TRUMPET magazine had
    a column by Wright. What did he write on the issue that had Obama in its cover? What did he write on these issues? I am sure Obama
    received those magazines as a member of his church.

    “AS THE CHURCH GREW, its television ministry expanded into syndication, and the pastor became a more prominent figure. Wright began to see a vision for the magazine as a more sophisticated publication that would speak not just to black Christians but to the entire African-American community.

    While echoing the pastor’s message of faith and social justice, Trumpet now also includes information on leaders and news events in the black community as well as lifestyle features on health, food, travel, fashion and relationships.

    African-American personalities on the cover have included U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, hip-hop artist Common, gospel legend Mavis Staples and African artist Samuel Akainyah. Readers can find perspectives on Hurricane Katrina, a tribute to publishing giant John Johnson, a report on church activism and the genocide in Darfur, Sudan, and a feature on actor Larenz Tate and his efforts to raise funds for sickle cell anemia.

    In September, the magazine officially separated from the church and became its own entity. Trumpet is available at African-American bookstores in Chicago and 13 other major cities with large black communities. Circulation is about 5,000, and Jeri Wright said the goal is to reach 100,000 in the next 10 months.

    “It’s a lifestyle magazine for the socially conscious,” she said. “We’re speaking to all of the African-American community, those in the churches, in the mosques, the temples, and the unchurched.”

    IN EACH ISSUE of Trumpet, readers find a column written by Rev. Wright, often a blistering commentary on social injustice. Wright often writes frankly about his opposition to the war in Iraq, his disgust with Wal-Mart’s treatment of workers and the widespread racism he sees throughout the nation.

    Dwight Hopkins, theology professor at the University of Chicago’s Divinity School, said many black Christian leaders preach about black inequality and liberation theology. But with Trumpet’s leap into national distribution, Wright’s message has the potential to reach people outside of the sanctuary.

  460. I wonder if there was local Chicago news coverage on Wright’s 9/11 sermon, and if the coverage mentioned Obama.

    Is there a search engine that will look within a narrow date range, such as Sept 11-20, 2001? Google will do ‘past year’ but not a narrow range.

    Whether they attended or not, if the Obamas were in town, it seems they would have heard about the sermon from other church members.

  461. It must be an honor to speak directly or by email to the great Donna Brazille. I can only imagine what little ole me would do if I had a similar opportunity. I would probably blow it all by asking some really dumb questions like:

    Madame: as a key member of the DNC now and as the manager of an ill-fated presidential campaign before that praytell enlighten me:

    Q-1: would you prefer to lose another presidential election in order to disrespect a Clinton?

    Q-2: does your love for palace intrigue and/or Barack exceed your devotion to this country and the invisible people Hillary wants to help?

    Q-3: will you join me in denouncing Obama for playing the race card repeatedly in this election?

    Q-4: will you join me in denoucing the sexism of big media consistent with your comments at the Travis Smiley event?

    Yea, I recon that’s what I’d do if I ever had the honor of speaking with the great Donna Brazille.

    I am thrilled to say that I have never met Nancy Pelosi. But a close friend of mine knew her years ago when she was friends with Jimmy Herman the former President of the International Longshoreman and Warehousemans Union (the caped crusader). The three of them had lunch together in San Francisco on more than one occasion etc.

    Not knowing her personally, and observing her only at a distance my sense is that she is passive aggressive in nature. I also believe she feels threatened by strong independent women. If so then this may explain her rejection of Harmon and her closeted opposition to Hillary.

    Beyond that however I share the concern expressed by others above that she is in the tank for Obama. That much is clear from the endorsement tendered by a discipile, what she tried to do in Texas and her shifting allegiance for any formula which favors Obama.

    Finally, there is Dr. Dean. If he had simply followed the first rule of the Hypocratic Oath, i.e. first do no harm, then the party would not be in the position it is in today where it is at risk of losing the support of major donors, key electoral blocks, and this once in a generation opportunity to win the executive branch and a supermajority of seats in Congress.

    I wish I could believe that these individuals were acting in the best interests of the party and the country but it is hard to suspend disbelief. If anyone disagrees with this assessment please let me know. I would love to be proven wrong.

  462. He was a small time Chicago pol back then. Less than 20% of Il knew him in ’04 so imagine how few knew him then. he would not have made any coverage, I would guess.

  463. I found this on Obama’s website. If true and no one (Obama, his wife or children) was sick christmas day he was at church.

    Obama Has Been A Member Of Trinity United Church Of Christ For Twenty Years. Monroe Anderson stands up for Reverend Wright’s ministry, “For the past two decades, Barack Obama has been a faithful member of the congregation at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ.” [Chicago Sun-Times, Monroe Anderson, 3/25/07]

    Obama Was Baptized And Attends Church Once a Week When He is Able. In the Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote, “I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized.” In 2004, he “attend[ed] the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.” When asked about his decision to be baptized, Obama said “Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me,” he said of his walk down the aisle of the Trinity United Church of Christ. “I submitted myself to his will and dedicated myself to discovering his truth.” [Audacity of Hope, p.208, Chicago Sun Times, 4/5/04; AP 6/28/06]

  464. Admin: sorry for taking bandwidth I have to post the whole article (because it is accessed through “access my library”)


    Africentric church: a visit to Chicago’s Trinity UCC.(United Church of Christ)

    Source: The Christian Century

    Publication Date: 29-MAY-07

    ONE OF THE BRIGHTEST points in Barack Obama’s rising political star has been his ability to talk about Jesus without faking it. Beginning with his rousing “Audacity of Hope” speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention and continuing with his book of the same name, Obama has shown that he can speak about his Christian faith in ways that are authentic and broadly appealing.

    Little wonder that his enemies have tried to turn that strength into a liability. Right-wing bloggers and TV pundits have been targeting Obama’s church, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, and its pastor, Jeremiah Wright, complaining that its self-proclaimed Africentric Christianity is separatist or even racist. Obama’s campaign has itself pulled back a bit from being identified with Wright. In February it revoked an invitation to have him give the opening prayer when Obama announced his run for the presidency.

    Africentrism (that’s the term Trinity prefers to Afrocentrism) is wholeheartedly embraced at Trinity. One of the church’s mottos is “Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian.” Its choir is regularly decked out in brightly colored African dress, as is Wright when he preaches. The church emphasizes its connection to the African diaspora: it sponsors trips to western and southern Africa, the Caribbean, and Latin American countries with significant African populations. Julia Speller, a leader at Trinity and author of Walkin’ the Talk: Keepin’ the Faith in Africentric Congregations, notes in her book that the church offers courses in Swahili and that its youth programs, Intonjane and Isuthu, take their names from Swahili words for coming into manhood and womanhood. The congregation celebrates the Kwanzaa holiday and Umoja Karamu, a Thanksgiving Day service that narrates the story of the black family from its West African origins to today with dancing, drumming and storytelling.

    Bible courses at Trinity emphasize the African roots of Christianity, focusing on the account of the Exodus and such passages as the psalmist’s promise that Ethiopia would stretch out its hands to God (Ps. 68:31), and the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8. In his preaching Wright goes out of his way to describe Moses as “an African prince” and his wife as a “raven-black” beauty. He declares that Jesus himself had “nappy hair” and “bronze skin” (he cites Rev. 1:14-15). Otis Moss III, who will succeed Wright upon his retirement this summer, says that the church is proud of its “Africanity,” proud that “when we talk about Sudan, we have Sudanese present.”

    African Americans have generated distinctly black forms of Christianity since they arrived on these shores. The significance of these forms has been appreciated in mainline seminaries and churches for at least two generations. Trinity is well within the mainstream of the black church, and is remarkable in the mainline world only for its size and influence and for its handful of celebrity members, like Oprah Winfrey and hip-hop artist Common.

    Critics have pounced especially on the church’s “Black Value System,” by which members affirm their commitment to God, the “black community,” the “black family” and the “black work ethic,” and disavow “the pursuit of ‘middle-classness.'” One hatchet-job report in Investor’s Business Daily, pointing to the Black Value System (a statement written not by Wright but by church members in the early 1980s), concluded that there is “little room for white Christians at Obama’s church.” Black conservative pundit Erik Rush said the church has embraced “things African above things American,” and he claimed that this should be as alarming as a Republican presidential candidate “belonging to the Aryan Brethren Church of Christ.” Tucker Carlson of MSNBC described Trinity as having a “racially exclusive theology” that “contradicts the basic tenets of Christianity.” Scan Hannity of Fox News confronted Wright on TV and asked how a black value system is any more acceptable than a white value system. Hannity also suggested that Trinity’s emphasis on black values contradicts Martin Luther King’s famous hope that people would be judged “not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

    Such charges are really aimed at Obama, rather than Wright or Trinity. By trying to link Obama to black radicals, they attack one of Obama’s political assets: his seeming ability–shared by Colin Powell, Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan–to “transcend” race. Because Obama is able to do this, he invites the white support that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson lack (which perhaps explains the decided coolness of some black leaders toward Obama’s candidacy).

    WRIGHTS CRITICS completely ignore America’s history of racism as well as the impact of the civil rights movement and the struggles of the black church to communicate the gospel’s relevance in the black community. Perhaps, as one blogger suggests, the attacks on Wright and Trinity are not even “meant to stand up to scrutiny.” They are merely designed to tie Obama to images of “the black bogeyman.” As with the Swiftboating of John Kerry, it does not matter that the claims are false as long as they are out there.

    A sympathetic profile of Obama in Rolling Stone quoted this jeremiad from one of Wright’s sermons: “Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run! … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God … And. And And! Gawd! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SHIT!” This may be the kind of passion that Obama now finds a bit embarrassing. The sermon was actually delivered as part of the inauguration of a new dean of the chapel at Howard University, whom Wright was encouraging to take on a prophetic role, not just a priestly one. But all that was posted on YouTube was a video of Wright shouting the words above.

    Ironically, Wright says that in that part of the sermon he was quoting white evangelical preacher Tony Campolo, who has long railed about social ills in front of evangelical audiences. One of Campolo’s signature rhetorical gestures is to use colorful language and tell his listeners that he fears they are “more concerned that I said ‘shit'” than with racism in America. When Campolo makes this move, he’s regarded as a prophetic figure. When Wright does it, his opponents call him a militant.

    Trinity did not set out to be an Africentric church when it was founded. The goal of United Church of Christ leaders was to create an integrated church at a time when whites were not much interested in integration. But the UCC was also interested in finding “the right kind of black people,” according to Speller–those who were middle class and “high potential” enough to integrate easily into the majority-white denomination. Congregationalist missionaries who established black colleges and universities throughout the South in the late 19th century insisted that educated blacks eliminate displays of emotion in singing and preaching. That’s why graduates of Morehouse College and Howard University (where no gospel music was allowed until the late 1960s, according to Wright) abandoned black ways of worship.

    In a recent essay, Wright summarized the early 1960s vision of integration: “Blacks should adopt a white lifestyle, a white way of worship, European values, and European American ways of viewing reality” (in Growing the African-American Church). One of the UCC’s few black ministers in the 1960s actually said from the pulpit, “We will tolerate no ‘niggerisms’ in our services.” This meant, Wright explains, that “no one could shout…. There would be no hand waving. There would be no displays of emotion.”

    Wright dates the collapse of this vision to 1968. The assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. “was enough to make a negro turn black,” he says, borrowing a phrase. By this point, a large segment of the black community had turned against King’s Christian, nonviolent challenge to racial segregation. Chicago was an organizing center for militant black religious groups like the Nation of Islam and the Black Hebrew Israelites. Ironically, these groups, with whom conservatives today would like to lump Obama and Wright, are the very ones against which the young Jeremiah Wright was arguing while in graduate school in the 1960s–trying to make the case that Christianity is not a white racist religion.

    It was in this climate of radical black activism that Wright set out to show what a church steeped in Christianity’s long-neglected Africanity could look like. It took courage, Speller points out, for a black pastor to work “without apology” in a white denomination that seemed hopelessly corrupt to black nationalists. The militants didn’t understand “the radicality of genuine Christianity,” observes James Cone, a theologian at Union Theological Seminary in New York and a longtime colleague of Wright’s, who made a similar triangulating move.

    WHEN WRIGHT ARRIVED at Trinity in 1971 he helped the congregation ask, “Are we going to be a black church in the black community.., or are we going to continue to be a white church in blackface?” Wright introduced revival hymns like “Nothing but the Blood” and “What a Fellowship.” Then he added an altar call to the service. Drums, tambourines and even a washboard became part of the music. A youth choir asked permission to sing gospel music, and on its first Sunday the group “came in ‘stepping’ like members of an Omega Psi Phi [a traditional black fraternity] step show” and wearing red and green dashikis. Adults then started asking if they could join the youth choir. Today nothing announces the church’s commitment to unapologetic black Christianity more than its huge choir, which sways and sings in African dress, leading the hand-waving and the Amens.

    These years also spawned the church’s other motto: “In the heart of the community, ever seeking to win the community’s heart.” Trinity’s location on Chicago’s South Side is crucial to understanding its history and mission. Wright has written that it is hard to imagine a church like Trinity “taking place in Maine” (in Living Stones in the Household of God). In Trinity’s neighborhood, children on their way home from elementary school are recruited by the Nation of Islam. The church sits just blocks from an enormous federal housing project built in the 1940s (home to a population that the original self-consciously middle-class congregation tried to overlook).

    Trinity’s rootedness in its neighborhood does not prevent it from having a global impact. Chicago’s many seminaries regularly send students to intern at Trinity or just observe its ministry. Wright has sent dozens of students into ministry, many of them women. UCC youth groups from throughout Illinois travel to Trinity to learn about evangelism and racial justice. “They have a ball,” Moss said of the wide-eyed white kids visiting Trinity most Sundays. “They say ‘Is this a UCC church?'”

    Moss sees Trinity’s Africentrism as crucial to its success. “Churches that are, say, Lutheran first, but then just happen to be black secondarily don’t grow. We’re a black church first–one that just happens historically to be UCC.” Moss is troubled when I remind him that Trinity is criticized as being “separatist.” Trinity made a conscious decision to serve the community when whites were fleeing to the suburbs. “People who won’t even come to the ‘hood criticize us for being in the ‘hood,” he said. Understanding Trinity’s social context helps one understand the church’s critique of middleclassness. With increased access to prosperity and social status, blacks can imitate the white families who fled the area in the 1950s for the greener pastures of the suburbs.

    Obama’s first book, Dreams from My Father, recounts an exchange he had with Wright over black middleclassness. A church secretary was planning a move to the suburbs so her son could have a better life. Wright’s response was: “That boy of hers is gonna get out there and won’t have a clue about where, or who, he is.” Obama defended the secretary, suggesting that the boy would be safer outside the inner city. Wright replied, “Life’s not safe for a black man in this country, Barack. Never has been. Probably never will be.” Black flight, Wright seemed to be saying, is no better for those who flee than for those who are left behind.

    When the first criticisms of Obama’s church came to the senator’s attention, he seemed genuinely perplexed. He converted to Christianity at Trinity, responding to one of Wright’s altar calls, weeping beneath an old wooden cross as he promised to follow Jesus. He told the Chicago Tribune: “I would be puzzled that they would object or quibble with the bulk of a document [the Black Value System] that basically espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help.”

    Dwight Hopkins, a member of Trinity and a professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School, argues that the church is within the mainstream of black churches and as such is socially conservative. Its emphasis on education harkens back to the days when black parents worked two and three jobs to educate their children, since schooling was one thing “they can’t take from you.” Moss, noting the church’s tutoring, SAT preparation and scholarship programs, said, “We place more African-American students in college than any other organization in Chicago.” Hopkins pointed to the church’s annual marriage retreat, in which “500 black couples study the Bible’s views on marriage together,” as more evidence of the church’s focus on traditional concerns: the Bible and the family. Obama himself believes that he could explain the Black Value System to people in Iowa and “get a few Amens.”

    TRINITY’S CRITICS SPEAK as though it is a political organization constantly advocating for social change, like Operation PUSH or the National Action Network. But it is neither more nor less than a church. “Trinity’s activism is a write-your-elected-official activism, not one that mobilizes thousands to picket,” Hopkins said. The only signs of politics that I saw in Trinity’s packed worship bulletin the day I visited were a list of polling places in advance of an upcoming citywide election and a reminder to “boycott Wal-Mart.” Not exactly the stuff of revolution.

    There is no denying, however, that a strand of radical black political theology influences Trinity. James Cone, the pioneer of black liberation theology, is a much-admired figure at Trinity. Cone told me that when he’s asked where his theology is institutionally embodied, he always mentions Trinity. Cone’s groundbreaking 1969 book Black Theology and Black Power announced: “The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people…. All white men are responsible for white oppression…. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man ‘the devil.’ … Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement.” Contending that the structures of a still-racist society need to be dismantled, Cone is impatient with claims that the race situation in America has improved. In a 2004 essay he wrote, “Black suffering is getting worse, not better…. White supremacy is so clever and evasive that we can hardly name it. It claims not to exist, even though black people are dying daily from its poison” (in Living Stones in the Household of God).

    Wright agrees. When I asked him whether white Americans are right to maintain that the racial situation has improved since the days when Africentric Christianity was born, Wright pointed to the racist remarks by radio host Don Imus: “And you say things have improved?”

    When I asked Otis Moss and Dwight Hopkins about the attacks on Trinity, they both noted that ethnic versions of Christianity are commonplace among white Christians–Greek Orthodoxy, Irish Catholicism, German Lutheranism. Why, they wonder, is that kind of ethnocentrism permissible for whites, but Africentric Christianity is not legitimate for blacks?

    Wright’s preaching regularly draws attention to standards of beauty in America that drive black women to use beauty products and hair styling to make themselves appear more white. “The church should be the place where children of color see themselves in a positive light,” Moss has written (The Gospel Remix: Reaching the Hip Hop Generation). It is hard to see any Christian disagreeing with these tenets of black Christianity.

    “We are descendants of Africa, not England,” Wright has written. “We have a culture that is African in origin–not European. The Bible we preach from came from a culture that was not English or European” (Blow the Trumpet in Zion). In his teaching Wright refers to the Holy Land as “northeast Africa,” pointing out that such a designation is not less absurd than calling the land of Israel and Jesus “the Middle East.” For Wright the church’s theology needs to be reworked along African rather than European lines. Moss quotes theologian James Evans, who sees links between the incarnation and black Christianity: “The two stubborn facts of African-American Christian existence are that God has revealed God’s self to the black community and that this revelation is inseparable from the historic struggle of black people for liberation.”

    Black intellectuals have often insisted that white identity itself has been built on black oppression. Moss quoted James Baldwin to me, “If I’m not who you think I am then you’re not who you think you are.” When James Cone says “Jesus is a black man” or “racism is America’s original sin,” the very vehemence of white Christians’ negative reaction shows how alive these issues still are.

    But the naming of sin is never the last word in black preaching. James Baldwin also wrote in a famous letter to his nephew that “you must accept [white people] and accept them with love…. They are, in effect, still trapped in a history which they do not understand…. We cannot be free until they are free.”

    Moss summarized the history of the black church this way: “We have always worshiped with one foot in the soil of our present pain and another foot in our future hope” (The Gospel Remix). After our interview, he offhandedly mentioned Sojourner Truth. “She was a slave, she was raped multiple times, she could’ve said ‘God can’t use me.’ But she didn’t.” The black church doesn’t just talk about the Exodus, or even describe the black church’s own Exodus. It relives the Exodus, right there on Sunday morning.

    INDEED, TRINITY IS a complex place. It incorporates not only the classic texts of black theology but shows the influence of the Pentecostal tradition’s emphasis on spiritual gifts and healing and the black church’s emphasis on personal revival. At the service I attended the music leader dragged out the last hymn, slowly intoning “there’s still one more” as the congregation waited for a last soul to join the dozen or so already assembled at the front, seeking salvation.

    At the same time, Wright pushes back against prosperity preachers like T. D. Jakes and Creflo Dollar. Such “prosperity pimps” preach that capitalism is “synonymous with Christianity” (Blow the Trumpet in Zion), he complains. Wright also counters the black church’s traditional conservatism on issues like homosexuality and gender. Trinity has a singles class called “Same Gender Loving,” and Wright has encouraged women into pastoral ministry throughout his career. Trinity’s own disavowal of middleclassness sits uneasily with its thousands of middle-class to upper-class members, whose BMWs and Audis create traffic jams on 95th Street every Sunday morning and evening.

    Wright’s particular genius is his ability to hold all these emphases together. He’s a black pastor of a black church that is the largest congregation in a mostly white denomination. He’s the spiritual shepherd of black nationalists and Christian pacifists. He remarked in one sermon that both his “intellectual friends” and his “nationalist friends” wish he wouldn’t talk so much about heaven, since Christian talk of heaven seems to denigrate the quest for justice on earth. His litany in response ran through the whole of the scripture in the best tradition of black preaching: “If I drop heaven, I’m going to lose the first verse in my Bible. … If I drop heaven, I’m going to lose two of my Ten Commandments. … If I get rid of heaven, I’m going to get rid of what happened when Jesus was baptized…. If I drop heaven, I’m going to have to stop praying my favorite prayer, ‘Our Father.’ … If I drop heaven, I’m going to have to do away with the Second Coming; I’m going to have to get rid of Pentecost. I’m going to have to throw Revelation out of my Bible…. Don’t make me drop heaven” (What Makes You So Strong?).

    I asked Wright what response white churches should make to his Africentric gospel. He referred to a crash course on inner-city ministry he used to teach to white seminarians. He would close the course by telling them that the final exam was this: when their friends or family or parishioners exhibited racism, the students should speak up. If they didn’t, they failed the course. And only they and God would know.

    One of the actions for which Wright has been criticized politically is a trip he took to Cuba in the early 1980s. His Spanish-language translator for the trip was a young woman who needed his sermon manuscript in advance, since she had never learned a religious vocabulary. He didn’t have a manuscript to send, so when he met her, he instructed her in the basics of the faith. During his sermon, he realized that the congregation was reacting to the translator–waving handkerchiefs, shouting, “Go ahead, baby! Go ahead, baby!” Wright realized that “she wasn’t translating one word I was saying. She had accepted the Lord Jesus Christ and was over there praising him” (What Makes You So Strong?).

    The miracle (no lesser word is appropriate) of the black church is that the sons and daughters of Africa embrace rather than eschew the faith they first learned from their white slavemasters, and that they have renewed it again and again out of their own struggles. Conservatives may find the Africentric church too political, and liberals may squirm over its revivalist emotion. But the black church continues to makes converts in unlikely places, reflecting a God who makes a way where there is no way.

  465. To all concerned above: Hillary’s path to the nomination is a combination of winning the popular vote and getting super delegates. She won’t be able to surpass BO in delegates but it is possible for her to overtake him in the popular vote.

    It is important that she wins PA and wins big. It would also help if she wins one of the states that they are saying should be his(although base on the demos, it looks good for her) i.e Indiana.

    If she can win the last few states at the end of the primary season and have the most votes, most likely the SD will have a reason to line up behind her especially if it is perceived that she has momentum. I would think that a win in PR would do that.

  466. Ok, if you’re going to post one that long, I’ll post the one I wrote today for

    How Radical is Radical?

    As more tapes of Barack Obama’s vitriolic preacher Jeremiah Wright are released, Senator Obama’s chances of holding on to his lead in the race for the presidential nomination narrow. Americans may not know if Obama shares the same level of anger at their country that Wright seems to feel, but my instinct says they don’t want to vote the man into the White House to find out.

    Obama’s appearances on Fox and CNN yesterday to address his relationship to his pastor did little to quell the collective anxiety of the Democratic electorate. Even supporters that can suspend disbelief to accept that Obama had not personally heard these bitter rantings acknowledge that Obama’s close personal ties to Wright may make him unelectable.

    Whether or not the impression is accurate, Obama’s associations create a certain apprehension based on the swirl of radicalism in his inner circle. The truth is, we do not know this man. To compound the unease, there seems to be an underlying bit of code being used to align African Americans against Hillary Clinton, who ironically has fought for their causes since she was in college. This comes in the form of Obama’s lifting of lines from the movie Malcom X in his campaign speeches. You probably have heard Obama tell his supporters that they are being “hoodwinked” and “bamboozled”. Below is an excerpt from the movie Malcom X:

    Malcolm X: “I must emphasize at the out start that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is not a politician. So I’m not here this afternoon as a Republican, nor as a Democrat; not as a Mason, nor as an Elk; not as a Protestant, nor a Catholic; not as a Christian, nor a Jew; not as a Baptist, nor a Methodist; in fact, not even as an American, because if I was an American, the problem that confronts our people today wouldn’t even exist. ”

    “So I have to stand here today as what I was when I was born:

    A black man.

    Before there was any such thing as a Republican or a Democrat, we were black.

    Before there was any such thing as a Mason or an Elk, we were black.

    Before there was any such thing as a Jew or a Christian, we were black people!

    In fact, before there was any such place as America, we were black!

    And after America has long passed from the scene, there will still be black people.

    I’m gonna tell you like it really is. Every election year these politicians are sent up here to pacify us!

    They’re sent here and setup here by the White Man!

    This is what they do!

    They send drugs in Harlem down here to pacify us!

    They send alcohol down here to pacify us!

    They send prostitution down here to pacify us!

    Why you can’t even get drugs in Harlem without the White Man’s permission!

    You can’t get prostitution in Harlem without the White Man’s permission!

    You can’t get gambling in Harlem without the White Man’s permission!

    Every time you break the seal on that liquor bottle, that’s a Government seal you’re breaking!

    Oh, I say and I say it again, ya been had!

    Ya been took!

    Ya been hoodwinked!


    Led astray!

    Run amok!

    This is what He does….”

    With the candidate using the words of Malcom X in his campaign, it becomes quite natural to be skeptical of claims that Obama is a uniter. No one questions that Malcom X was a member of the Nation of Islam…and this writer does not submit that Barack Obama is. However, he is associating himself by his words with a radical Muslim that proselytizes against white America. What kind of a message is that sending to those that mean to do us harm? I think that is a fair question, and again one that goes to judgment.

    Jeremiah Wright uses many of these same expressions, and as a matter of fact, the sermon on September 16, 2001 by Wright in which he declares that “America’s chickens are coming home to roost” is actually from a speech by Malcom-X called that he gave December 4th, 1963. “God’s Judgment of White America”.

    Per the website

    “This speech is sometimes called “The Chickens Come Home To Roost,” because of an answer Malcolm X gave in response to a question following the speech. The question concerned the late President John Kennedy. It was Malcolm X’s answer, that the Presidents death was a case of “chickens coming home to roost” — that the violence that Kennedy had failed to stop had come back to him, this resulted in the Elijah Muhammad silencing him. Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam a short time later.”

    Here is one of many inflammatory passages from that Malcom X speech:

    “White America is doomed! God has declared that The Honorable Elijah Muhammad is your only means of escape. When you reject The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, when you refuse to hear his message or heed his warning you are closing your only door of escape. When you cut yourself off from him, you cut yourself off from your only way out of the divine disaster that is fast approaching White America.

    Before your pride causes you to harden your heart and further close your ears, and before your ignorance provokes laughter, search the Christian Scriptures. Search even the histories of other nations that sat in the same positions of wealth, power, and authority that these white Americans now hold…and see what God did to them. If God’s unchanging laws of justice caught up with every one of the slave empires of the past, how dare you think White America can escape the harvest of unjust seeds planted by her white forefathers against our black forefathers here in the land of slavery!”

    We all remember the horror that occurred on September 11th, 2001 and the strong emotion felt afterward. It was a shared pain that affected most people, regardless of race, in a similar way. But apparently not Jeremiah Wright.

    Obama is also well acquainted with 1960’s leftist radical William Ayers of the militant and violent Weather Underground, who claimed responsibility for bombing the Capital building and the Pentagon. Ayres admitted to the bombings but could not be prosecuted because of procedural failings. These speeches, coupled with Obama’s association with William Ayers of the Weather Underground stirs apprehension in some quarters that some kind of an internal leftist coup is in process.

    Ayres fully admitted to participating in the bombings of the New York Police Headquarters in 1970, The U.S. Capitol building in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

    On September 11, 2001, the New York Times quoted him as finding “a certain eloquence in bombs.” Did he regret what he had done all those years ago? “We didn’t do enough,” said Ayres.

    Under the category of “You’ve got to be kidding”, William Ayers is now a “Distinguished” Professor of Education and University Scholar at the University of Illinois.

    Who could blame Americans for being a little uneasy about Obama?

    Ayres and Obama served as directors of the Woods Foundation that figured in grants made to Chicago area Palestinian groups.

    The Woods Foundation made grants to a Palestinian advocacy group in Chicago, co-founded by Professor Rashid Khalidi, then at the University of Chicago. He currently holds the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies and director the Middle East Institute of the School of International and Public Affairs. Senator Obama served as an unpaid director in 2001 and 2002 on the Woods Foundation when they made grants of $40,000 and $35,000, respectively to the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), a Chicago based group co-founded by Khalidi. Khalidi. Khalidi had close connections to the PLO that was listed as a terror group by our State Department.

    According to The WorldNewsDaily:

    AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi was reportedly a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, while the PLO committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as a terror group. Khalidi’s wife, AAAN President Mona Khalidi, was reportedly WAFA’s English translator during that period.

    Khalidi held fund-raisers for Obama during his failed 2000 Congressional campaign. Both had taught at the University of Chicago; Khalidi was on the Middle East Studies faculty and Obama taught in the Law School, until the latter’s 2004 run for the US Senate seat in Illinois.

    Obama has also had at least a fifteen-year relationship with a federally indicted political fixer, the Syrian-born Tony Rezko. Besides Rezko’s current play-to-pay trial, there are other allegations that he is closely tied to an Iraqi Billionaire, Nadhmi Auchi, now living in the U.K., which may have been part of the Iraqi Oil-For-Food Program scandal and is purported to have sold arms to Hussein. Rezko has received wire transfers from Auchi on at least two occasions. Rezko has also directed at least $250,000 to Obama’s various political campaigns and it would be helpful to know if money from this Iraqi billionaire somehow found its way into Obama’s coffers, in hopes of currying favor with the Senator.

    It is possible that all these associations are just a matter of coincidence, inconsequential, and that they do not in any way define Barack Obama. However, I am beginning to wonder what this jumble of associations adds up to. Maybe nothing. Are we judging guilt by association? Maybe. But are these red flags…definitely.

    The desire for a change in the way the country does business is palpable after seven years of the corruption, aggressive self-interest and warmongering by the current administration and many feel a radical change is needed in this country. But how radical is radical?

    Mr. Obama, I sure wish I knew you better.

  467. JohnFlint1985: tell the Edwards supporter we want him, tell him he must not take such a morbid point of view and consider the following logic:

    1. the role of superdelegates is to make an independent judgment as to which of the competing candidates is most likely to win the general election.

    2. what is the most reliable indicator of who can win the general election?

    a. delegate count: which is undemocratic and gives undue weight to small red state victories, and my exclude major blue states or diminish their influence? Haven of the do the math crowd

    b. popular vote: this is a much truer test of the general election strength of each candidate than delegate count. It is a direct reflection of how the people actually voted.

    c. electoral vote: this is a truer test of general election strength as well because it focuses on the large blue must win states in the general election. Last time I checked Hillary had enouth votes to win the general election based on primary voters i.e. 270 and Obama was far behind i.e. 190.

    One other point to make to your former Edwards supporter. My dad went to USC Law School in the late 1930s when Roscoe Pound was Dean of Harvard Law School. At or near that time, Pound wrote an article in the Harvard Law Review entitled “Corporations: The New Serfdom”.

    The serfdom Pound predicted did not materialize then for a number of reasons including the rise of unions, world war II and the post war expansion of the 1950’s. But now the wolf is at the door due to globalizaton, venture capital giants vultures that control as much as 1 trillion dollars (MoveadollaInc) and our loss of global finacial preeminence. Corporations like GE control government and the media outlets like MSNBC and as with Greshoms law the bad money drives out the good.

    Your friend believed that Edwards was the champion of the rights of American workers and that no doubt in part of what attracted him. But since Edwards is no longer in the race and assuming he does not address one of the two candidates who remain your friend must now decide which of them he wants to support if the wants to stay in the game.

    It so happens I have looked at this question myself and there is no doubt, zero, nada which of the two remaining candidates is more committed to protecting the rights of American workers in the absence of John Edwards: Hillary Rodham Clinton. Her platform is directed to the American worker from universal health care (like Edwards not Obama), education, fair trade (Obama is a Freidman free trader), unions and the like. He would be far happier in our camp.

  468. # HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Hi everyone. I’ve donated to Hillary before but never realized until recently that I could set up my own fundraising page so here it is:
    Please donate $10 everyone. I’m trying to raise $300 by the end of next week so you’ll be seeing that link on the bottom of each of my responses until I reach my goal. Thanks!


    I’ll donate next week.

  469. # HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter Says:

    The popular vote, PA and momentum is the key to Hillary’s nomination.

    If she can win PA and win with double digits(which I think that she will do and I think that she is going for the big win which is why she is spending so much time there).

    Close the gap and overtake the popular vote
    Winning PA big, winning MI and getting either FL revote (don’t look likely) or the existing votes to count) will help to close the gap

    Winning in PA, KY, WV and taking one of his expected wins either IN or NC(probably In as NC looks hard to win) and finally PR will give her a winning/having mo narrative that will be hard for the SD to overlook.

    Winning PA, TX, OH, MI would prove that she can win the 4 swing states that matter(TX isn’t a swing state but perhaps she can put it in play).

  470. I meant to say winning CA, NY, FL, PA, MI will be able to prove that she can win the big votes.

    Thanks wbboei.

  471. I hate reading things like ‘Hillary Clinton is the most hated woman in the entire world’ on the Dem Party Web Blogs by Obama supporters,

    Spacegirl: dont sweat the hitler juegen. Its just their way of saying ein volk ein reich ein fuerher.

  472. morning all to can speak with MS. Brazile via email. AS long as the tone (your) is right, she has been very good at responding. She on the other hand, can be as curt as she wants.

    Email me for the address

    don’t want to post here due to trolls

  473. Dodd on fox supproting BO and Wright. barf. Says that the fact that BO came out so quickly and went on all the news shows shows it should be put behind him,

    Says BO rejects Wright and he doesn’t know how much clearer he could be about it.

    it is Sooooooo obvious that the disclosure last week was PLANNED by the DNC and Dems to hit the Firday news cycle and be over with by Monday. but the Fox guy (can’t remebr his name0 is NOT letting the issue fade. (Chris Wallace?) It is soooooo disgusting to hear Dodd trying to justify this BS. He says it’s an unfair accusation. Schumer says he AGREES with Dodd! WTF!!!!!!!

  474. My email this a.m. to Donna Brazile…we’ll see if she responds. I thought it was important not to mention HRC but to keep the focus on BO.

    I hope this finds you well.

    I am now very, very concerned about Senator Obama’s electability come this November. For right or for wrong, there is no denying that the videos of Rev. Wright’s sermon will not “play well in Peoria.” I have done an informal survey of family and friends across the country – salt of the earth types who are moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans. To a person, they find these videos and the Anti-American rants to be horrifying. One can only imagine how the Republicans would use this in the Fall to once again paint the Democrats as overly-liberal, weak and America-hating. One can picture the ads now. They will be very, very ugly.

    He can’t brush this off as random comments from a surrogate because by his own admission Wright was his chosen minister, his “spiritual advisor,” his mentor for 20 years.

    As I have said in previous exchanges, my primary concern is we take back the White House in November. I simply don’t see how we can do that when we have given the Republicans such ammunition. If this goes on much longer, it will continue to damage not only Senator Obama but any democrat running in the fall. The nation’s response to this should be watched very, very carefully by the Democratic leadership.

    Best regards,

  475. This isn’t just a supporter. it’s the words of a pastor that was the head of BO’s church for 20 years. says Wallace but the dems are trying to sweep it under the rug. how DISGUSTING!!!!!
    Now Wallace on to why the HRC campaign allows Ferraro and friends make such racist comments.


  476. IF DNC people think that BHO who has associated with Wright for 20 years still deserve to be nominee to be the president of USA, then they live in LA LA land.

  477. Correction:

    Unimportant Issues?!?!?!

    that the potential President is a racist?

    that the potential president is closely associated with a man who is a racist and preaches racism

  478. spacegirl,

    Clicked to ABC – B1tch Pelosi on. Man – the DNC is circling the wagons for BO yet no one lifted a finger to help HRC.

    No coverage of anything HRC; not PA, not the generals endorsements, not her momentum. PA being downplayed yet Wyoming and Ms are soooooo important.

    I am switching to the Independent party.

  479. if we keep pounding on this…supporting fox and others who will keep up the pressure, this will build and build. We need a steady drip of disclosures about the relationship b/w BO and Wright. I have talked to many, many friends and family members about his – some had supported BO, some HRC, some are repubs and outrage is universal. DNC is desperate to sweep under the rug. We can’t let them do it. If we keep up the pressure, this will ruin him eventually.

    I can hear the speech now….”I have been targeted, for the good of the party, I am withdrawing. We all need to support Senator Clinton in her race against John McCain.”

  480. Jeeeeezzzz!
    Regular Fox with footage of a Harlem minister saying BO was born of a white whore and the story going to the Dem talking points that there have been MANY religious leaders that have spoken with inflammatory language and therefor BO is no different then any other political candidate.

    Switching to a priest at the Vatican who is shaking his head over the political tone of these sermons. more circling the wagons. don’t tell me this wasn’t PLANNED and all the speakers and pundits LINED up before this weekend. Reminds me of the Kennedy endorsement on a Sunday and that Monday all the networks carried the “passing of the torch” BS. None of that is gonna be organized within hours. More proof of the dem steamroller in action. flatten HRC and justify BO. This is all so scripted. let this stuff come out in March instead of October and screw whether or not it’s true. Gult by Association not a principal of the democratic party says Dodd, Schumer. Fox is still trying to cover the story but are meeting with resistance from all sides.,..

  481. Someone posted the list of unaffiliated SDs. Want to send them all emails similar to what I just sent to Brazile. Those looked like web sites, were they email addresses?

  482. NYT article on the SD’s leaning towards BO

  483. It’s Pastor Manning of Harlem that’s speaking on the anti-BO clips.


    I posted the SD list that Diva sent me.

    you have to go to the websites and then click on the contact links.

    you can do that from Outlook Express.

  484. meiyingsu…i think they will
    Chris Wallace was HINESTLY shocked about Schumer’s response and FOX is savvy enough to know they are circling the wagons around BO

    I am SURE they have PROOF that he lied about being “in the pews” and will pull it out. Besides, we have sent them (and others) the stuff WE have found.

  485. “General Hugh Shelton Endorses Hillary Clinton”

    The people who actually *know* something support Hillary.

  486. Back to George S.

    George Will saying it’s a HUGE deal even though Bo said he was “shocked” at what he heard on TV and had no idea. Will says this strikes at the heart of the BO campaign of anti-racism. brazille is on. Can’t wait to hear what she says. BARF!

    The next commentator agreeing with George Will.,

  487. FOX setting up the “in the pews” scenario

    this is going to be BIG when they drop this bomb

    let’s hope the do it soon

    Hume “it’s a very big deal”

  488. Guys,
    It doesn’t matter what the talking heads are saying. What matters is that we make sure that every household in the country has access/has seen these videos. The outrage from the electorate will be universal. Remember this is the same party who put McGovern as ultra-liberal, anti-war lightweight to run against Nixon. Dems lost 49 states.

    The can’t help themselves. But if the videos get into every living room, and polls show universal shock and horror. They will have to back off eventually to save the party. We have to keep the pressure up.

  489. Brazille says she’s benefited from the fiery rhetoric of the Pastor Wrights of this country. WTF???????
    that black people needed to be built up after being torn down by society????? WHATTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!
    But no oone is agreeing with her. brazille sasy where in a campaign where the kitche sink strategy is in full force. Wright is TAME compared to other black churches!!!!!!

    OOOOOOO–i hate her.
    Mark Halperin says the only chance HRC has of being the nominee is by tearing down BO’s electability.

  490. Halperin,

    “Do the Dems want to send BO out in the general election to be their nominee.”

    They ARE covering the issue (except for Brazille who is in big denial)

  491. Ann, I agree…but I also know MANY American’s get their “new” (and form their opinion) by watching Sunday news

    both fronts need to be used

  492. You can’t beat your wife for 20 years, and when you finally get arrested say, “Well, I reject violence against women” and then walk free.

    You can’t steal from your neighbor for 20 years, and when you finally get caught say, “Well, I renounce dishonesty” and expect that neighbor to just all of a sudden place his trust in you.

    You can’t bury yourself in a bottle of gin every day for 20 years, and then when you get in your car drunk, kill a kid on his bicycle, and then say, “Wait, I’ve learned that alcoholism is wrong” and expect people to just accept that as a solution to what you’ve done.

    Can people change? Of course. But they STILL have to answers for the things they’ve done in the past. Changing, or worse, simply SAYING you’ve changed, doesn’t give you some magical get out of jail free card. Sorry, it just doesn’t.

    Obama can reject and/or denounce Wright all he wants. Doesn’t change the fact that he sat in that church for 20 years and allowed Wrights racist hatred to go unchallenged. Obama could have left that church at any time…he didn’t. And the fact that he didn’t tells me that he saw nothing morally wrong with what Wright was saying.

    My Mother taught me from the time I learned to speak, that if I sat silently by while I watched some injustice happen to another child of god, I was every bit as guilty as the person who perpetrated the wrong. Fear wasn’t an acceptible excuse for not taking a stand…not wanting to “rock the boat” wasn’t an acceptible excuse for not taking a stand. In fact, the ONLY acceptible excuse for not taking the moral and just road was if I was physically unable to do so. I believe my mothers philosophy with all my heart. It’s how I have lived my entire life, and it’s how it’s the same moral standard with which I judge the people in my life. So sorry…Bambi can reject and denounce until he’s blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is, he stood silently by while Wright spewed his poison upon other children of god, and that makes Bambi quilty of doing the same.

    If Obama truly wants to redeem himself, he needs to start by admitting that what he did was wrong, and then ACT accordingly. Words don’t mean shit. They really truly don’t.

  493. Juan Williams has been consistent in his aghast about Wright

    “It speaks to Barack Obama’s character”

  494. “Do the Dems want to send BO out in the general election to be their nominee.”

    That’s the point. What about all the Dem candidates who would have to run with him?

  495. it is OK for Brazille and BHO to be benefited from the fiery rhetoric of the Pastor Wrights of this country. But please don’t run for the president of United States with this kind of benefit.

  496. Stephanuopoulos says Pelosi saying that the Pledeged delegates is what should determine the nominee is EXACTLY what BO wants.


  497. Brazille saying BO is picking up delegates left and right – 7 in Iowa, more in California and that HRC can’t catch up.

  498. Juan Williams gave the best editorial I have heard yet. We need a transcript.

    Says BO SAYS he is “transracial”. That he stands ACROSS this divide. But then he workes on the really radical and racist side on te oe hand (Wright) and the “denounces” him on the other. It just doesn’t fly. We do not know who he is. It’s ridiculous to believe he never heard these things.

    Makes Dodd look like a total jerk. I believe the White Leadership is TERRIFIED of the AA situation.

  499. spacegirl,

    ‘Chris Wallace was HINESTLY shocked about Schumer’s response and FOX is savvy enough to know they are circling the wagons around BO’

    That was my take, too. He really couldn’t believe the blatant lies he was hearing.

  500. it is OK for Brazille and BHO to be benefited from the fiery rhetoric of the Pastor Wrights of this country.

    So they “benefitted” from Wrights sermons. So? People who steal benefit from stealing. People who lie benefit from lying. The Nazi party benefitted from murdering jews. White plantation onwers benefitted from owning slaves.

    Just because someone beneftis from an action, damned sure doesn’t automatically make the action right.

  501. I saw one of the Pastor Manning videos yesterday and it starts out funny but gets pretty serious. He faults the local AAs for running from BC despite the money for the buildings in their area that BC sent their way. I think that he said it was around $250 million.

    There’s another video out there on YouTube: search for:

    Obama – Building A Religion

  502. How can BRAZILLE be a spokesperson for the DNC when she’s basically just said on national TV that one of the prospective delegates can’T win?

    i want to do something with that quote. Isn’t that impeachable by dint of being non-objective?’

    What about Myra, space?

  503. It will be interesting to see how CNN handles all this this morning, since they think it is so “distasteful”

    MOST talking heads are saying it is a big deal (we need to keep it as such) and I think CNN will blow it off as irrelevant

  504. SpacegirlArt, the DNC says it is not a big deal but every body else says it is a big deal and the america people are outrages.

  505. meiyingsu, I agree. But the DNC and NOT the American People is who will decide the nominee…that is becoming clear

  506. Idunn, I just read your “You can’t beat your wife” post, and while it definitely is not the first time, you say a lot of really wise things. Thanks

  507. I don’t see how anybody benefits from that kind of vicious language.

    Depends on what attributes you ascribe to the word “benefitted”. Adolph Hitler “benefitted” from hate speech. So does Louis Farrakhan. So do alot of fundamental christians.

    Does their hate speech benefit the rest of us? No. But THEY certainly benefit from it. And so do the people who agree with them.

  508. How can BRAZILLE be a spokesperson for the DNC when she’s basically just said on national TV that one of the prospective delegates can’T win?

    Is this something worth following up on? What if i write a form letter for you guys to use/, or who knows how to set up an online petition?

  509. Idunn, I just read your “You can’t beat your wife” post, and while it definitely is not the first time, you say a lot of really wise things.

    Heh…it’s all balanced out by the stupid shit I say. Any wisdom I have, I gained through my mothers teachings. The rest is just my own thick-headed crap. 🙂

  510. I think there needs to be a loud and long protests about Brazile. She is bias, she is hateful in her communications with voters and she is generally rude.

    She does NOT represent the majority. Her positions on the Credentials and Rules and By Laws Committee SHOULD make her neutral and silent.

    Write it up Basil

  511. SpacegirlArt, I don’t think SDs agree with the DNC yet. so please keep pressure on SDs. It is the people who have the right choose the nominee.

  512. We need to remind the Super Delegates and others, and WRITE THE PRESS in letters to the editors about HHOW MUCH MONEY BO has spent to BUY SD’s

  513. Has there been any further information on the Black Ministers who will Denounce Obama for Denouncing Wright??

    I thought CNN was to run with story??

    Oh bye the way, Good Morning!

  514. We need to remind the SD’s that they are mistaken if they think we democrats will support just any old democratic nominee, simply because we are democrats. My principals and moral standards mean a HELL of alot more to me then the DNC.

  515. As I said before, Obama will not be able to shake the stink from “God damn Ameria”. The voters and the Republican Party will not forget, and I hae to think that the SD are taking pause from Rev. Wright.

  516. mj…even the HC supporters on tv don’t know how to take a stand.

    God Damn America is NOT acceptable from out politicians

  517. mj, Schumer agreed with everything Dodd said 🙁

    please email me any comments you have from brazille so i can use them in a letter. if you have sources, please include them.

    BTW – Pumpkinhead not touching the Wight stuff and neither is Kurtz. Guess that’s a sign that BM is gonna bury the story . . .

  518. Does anyone have emails for local editors and editorial writers in PA, IN, NC, KY? I think we should send emails “rejecting and denouncing” BO’s 20-year association with Wright.

    I plan on a simple message – I am outraged that one who seeks to lead this nation would choose as his spiritual mentor someone who so clearly hates America and all that we stand for.

  519. SpacegirlArt, imagine that gop 527 run an ad with “God Damn America” and the democratic party in it daily in the coming months.

  520. Obama in Indiana today. That man has no honor, no integrity nothing. Not surprisingly Rev Wright is… *drumroll* Hillary’s fault! In any case it certainly isn’t Obama’s fault, but the fault of some “dark forces of division” who have “started to raise their ugly heads again”:

    h t t p : / /

    The behaviour of Obama should disgust every honest citizen.

  521. from TM,

    Just passing this along…

    Mark Halperin says that John Edwards will endorse Hillary Clinton – before NC and perhaps before Penn.
    LChris | 03.16.2008 – 10:23 am

  522. meiyingsu Says:

    March 16th, 2008 at 10:27 am
    from TM,

    Just passing this along…

    Mark Halperin says that John Edwards will endorse Hillary Clinton – before NC and perhaps before Penn.