Questions, Rezko, Michelle, and Superdelegates

The Chicago Tribune:

Obama said in the interview Monday that he was unaware of the scope of properties owned by Rezmar or the problems surrounding them. He said none of the affected residents personally sought his help and that aides at his state Senate district office did not recall any inquiries. Still, he said it was “possible” that during his tenure in the legislature that a constituent may have written or called his office “saying, ‘We’re in a building, and we’re unhappy with the service here.’”

Such problems, he said, would normally be brought to the attention of an alderman or the city’s Housing Department. “Had I known that there were buildings that were in deteriorating or poor condition, that certainly would have given me pause. But I didn’t know,” Obama said.

Of course Obama says he does not know where his state senate papers are located so he presumes we will never find out if an angry tenant confronted Obama over the slum conditions at the housing his slumlord friend Rezko owned.

The question, as Obama himself initially framed it, is still: Should Obama Have Known?

This is what we wrote in July 2007:

Obama claims that his work as a “community organizer”, “working with families who are struggling” and as a “state legislator” are credentials the American electorate should be impressed with and elevate him to the highest office in the land. How impressive are those credentials? What exactly did Obama do in Illinois? How did his experience as a “community organizer” inform his work as a state legislator?

How indeed did this much vaunted “community organizer” experience inform Obama’s work? Here are the central questions we raised in July of 2007 which remain unanswered by Obama to this day:

What use was Obama’s “community organizer” experience to those shivering tenants?

What use was Obama the state senator to those shivering tenants?

What relationships did Obama build during his “community organizer” days that proved useless when he became state senator, and failed to keep him in touch with the community?

What was Obama doing in his plush state senator office that kept him too busy to know that these “struggling families” were without heat “For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997″?

If Obama with all his “community organizer” experience did not know what was happening in his small district office in Chicago, how in blazes does anyone think he will respond to the needs of an American electorate that numbers in the hundreds of millions?

This past Sunday more questions.

Where is the Senate Ethics Committee? McLaughlin raises the question regarding the apparent gift to Obama of a house.

Michelle, whom we have obliquely and not so obliquely referred to in previous posts finally gets some scrutiny too.

As Pat Buchanan says, only after a conviction will the prosecutor move to flip Rezko. Superdelegates beware.

“Suicidal to level with the American people.”

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  2. It’s still stunning to me that Big Media has been so slow to connect the dots in the Rezko scandal. Even on the rare occasions that a mainstream publication actually publishes an article about it, it’s usually a re-reporting of information I read here, on this site, weeks (if not months!) earlier.

  3. we got to tell Hillary to start having grounds in the coming states because this is what Axelrod said about Hillary and why she lost all of the states with cacaus – it was because she had no ground movements – so we got to start having these ready before Penn votes because as soon as Penn votes there’s only less then 2 weeks before the next state(s) votes

  4. A good diary is up on MyDD that expands a bit on the subject in admin’s great posting above. The diary also has some really enlightening maps. The answer to the lawyer’s question, whether Obama should have known, is pretty darn clear. This was a rather small State Senate district. Obama knew the slumlord only too well and Obama helped the slumlord get hold of the taxpayer’s money to rehab those buildings.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/12/16426/8991

  5. http://www.talkleft.com/

    Barack Obama Was For Mail In Voting Before He Was Against It
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:15:51 PM EST
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    By Big Tent Democrat

    Marc Ambinder has more detail on Barack Obama’s decision to lawyer up against counting Florida and Michigan votes.

    I’ll discuss the merits of this in a later post, but I first want to take a moment to consider the shameless hypocrisy of the Obama campaign. Barack Obama is out there having his campaign argue that mail in voting has some type of impact that requires a Voting Rights Act review that could be troubling. That it will take more than a rubber stamp. Let’s be clear, if the implication is this is just filling out a form, then no one would be bringing this up. Even the time frame is not a particular problem. No, Barack Obama is intimating that HE will raise a Voting Rights Act issue about mail in voting.

    The SAME Barack Obama who is co-sponsor of the Senate version of this bill, “The Universal Right To Vote By Mail Act”, which declares that NOT ALLOWING mail in voting in every state (28 do through absentee balloting) disenfranchises voters, now opposes a mail in revote. I have heard of chutzpah, but this one takes the cake.

  6. OBAMA NAME POPS UP AGAIN IN REZKO TRIAL

    From Politico:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

    Thanks, Tony

    Obama’s name pops up in Rezko’s trial again today, because, it seems, Rezko’s defense strategy at times is to associate himself with the popular, well-regarded Obama wherever as possible. If Obama was involved, goes this argument, how bad could it have been?

    Not terribly helpful to his old friend, but Rezko is fighting for his life here.

    [Defense lawyer Joseph] Duffy said that pretty high level people, including “some other guy called Obama,” worked on legislation to revamp the state’s health planning board.

  7. because, it seems, Rezko’s defense strategy at times is to associate himself with the popular, well-regarded Obama wherever as possible. If Obama was involved, goes this argument, how bad could it have been?
    😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

  8. Obama is really pushing this Ferraro thing. For a guy who said he’s going to unite the Democratic Party and Americans, he’s really alienating this white person.

    I’m sick of the race card.

  9. FROM PREVIOUS THREAD

    # SpacegirlArt Says:
    March 12th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    TPS…thanks for that info re Obama flip flop on voting by mail

    Maggie Williams has it now, as does the rest of the press office at HQ

  10. When Hillary talked about being piled on, the press and pundits piled on her for playing the gender card. With Obama, he can freely play the race card and no one in the media is pointing this out.

    Maybe there is a double standard for AA. Ferraro has nothing to apologize for. I think she’s right.

  11. Ferraro out of campaign per CNN. Shame, but i guess its better than being accused of hypocrisy over Powers thing…

  12. Is Obama actively trying to block a revote in Florida or is my Obama-rage just making me view it that way? I can’t tell anymore I’m so far into it.

  13. Obama making the best of being in Chicago for Rezko Trial:
    weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obama_says_hes_ready_to_be_com.html

  14. WE MUST contact the advertisers. I just hate having to turn on the television and watch these fools to see who they are!

    My letter to Olberman and ALL the producers and top brass are on previous thread but will repost if any one wants inspiration 😀

    this was for CNN

    Gentlemen,

    I am writing to complain about the treatment your network and your anchors have given to a major candidate for the Democratic Nomination for the Presidency, one Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY).

    Your coverage, or decisions not to at all, as was evident Monday, March 10, are not only manipulative but filled with slander and lies.

    After we noticed you chose to not provide any coverage of Senator Clinton this past Monday, instead giving the entire day over to Senator Obama’s “bamboozle” speech in Mississippi, and perpetuating the falsehood that either Senator Clinton of former President Bill Clinton “offered” a vice-presidential position to Senator Obama, we looked for an answer.

    That same Monday, Senator Clinton held a large rally in Scranton, PA, to kick off the Pennsylvania Primary. CNN had no comments that I could tell, and certainly no coverage of this event, again playing over and over Senator Obama’s performance and undertones of bigotry in Mississippi.

    On Tuesday, we called CNN to find out how there cold have been NO coverage (except in the negative by proven lies and innuendo and twisting of the facts by your company) and were told by the woman on the phone that it was “a decision by the Producers” to not allow any coverage of the Senator from New York. Needless to say, we were appalled and horrified, though at this point not surprised, that your institution would censor the news to the American Public, instead, filtering it through what has become, in this election season, misogamy and race-baiting by the press.

    Your duty as news people should compel you to report the news, and save us hours and hours of endless commentary by those so clearly in the Obama camp. We are smart enough to figure out the facts and make our own decisions as to whom we feel is best for the nomination.

    IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO DECIDE THAT FOR US. YOU ARE UNDERMINING DEMOCRACY AND BEHAVING LIKE THE STATE-RUN TELEVISION OF A DICTATORSHIP. ONE VOICE, ONE AGENDA.

    There is no longer an attempt to even try and just GIVE US THE NEWS.

    You have once again broken the trust of the American People, and to continue to call yourselves the “Most Trusted Name in News” or “The Best Political Team on Television” is a complete farce. I ask you gentlemen, how CAN you be the “most Trusted” when you yourself admit to censorship? How can you be “the BEST Political Team” when your corporate-approved vitriol spews from the mouth of Jack Cafferty nightly?

    How can we believe that you will give us the FACTS, when you throw Bugala and Carville off as commentator and yet keep the completely bias-for-Obama and DNC Rules Committee Chair Donna Brazile as an “unbiased” source?

    Having grown up in Atlanta, I was there from the beginning. When Ted Turner had billboards and decided to do a 24 hour cable news show. My office was two blocks from the original CNN building.

    Over the years you became a world-class organization, with world-class reporters like Nick Roberts and Christiane Amanpour. But today, now, you have deliberately decided to throw that reputation away and become just another version of MSNBC, whose vitriolic hysteria and perpetuation of lies about the Clinton Campaign have lost them thousands of viewers.

    Gentlemen, you too are losing thousands of viewers in us. We now have to rely on our local networks to get balanced coverage because there it is required by law. You are abusing your power, and your audience, and we are taking action by writing to your advertisers and boycotting their products.

    You have a responsibility to be honest and you are not. Therefore, we have a responsibility as consumers to let as many people know that as we can.

    Case in point: The picture of Senator Obama in traditional dress that was perpetuated by it’s posting on the Drudge Report was printed earlier in the month by a tabloid paper. It was also in the public domain for several years. I am a lay-person and I did some investigating, and even though I am not savvy at all on the computer, I found it’s source, complete with commentary saying “send it to Drudge”. It was from a conservative blog. Not only did the Clinton Camp deny involvement, Senator Obama took them at their word. Yet now he and you both still cite this picture as coming from the Clinton Campaign.

    And why are you so insistent upon not vetting Senator Obama? Why do you not care about the fact that he has a campaign aide at the trial of Tony Rezko taking notes? What in the hell really IS your agenda? Whatever it is, it is not American on any level.

    Gentlemen, your advertisers and your shareholders will be wondering why they are paying you so much money to do journalism when you can be out-done by a fifty-something artist from her sofa in Saint Petersburg, FL.

    In closing gentlemen, we are doing a massive campaign against CNN, it’s advertisers and it’s affiliates and will continue to do so until you can actually be ‘The Most Trusted Name in News”

  15. Today’s OpEd in Seattle Times is entitled “The beginning of the end for the Obama campaign”:

    But, Obama’s words aren’t a bridge to ideas and opinions, they’re substitutes for them. He calls for common ground, but the senator actually has a more liberal voting record than Hillary Clinton and is much more ideological and partisan in the Senate than McCain.

    Obama’s losses in both Texas and Ohio underscore why time is not on his side. These were the first primaries that didn’t follow on the heels of another with another contest immediately following. Instead voters were able to sit back for three full weeks, listen to the debates, watch how the candidates and their spouses talked to different audiences in different parts of the state, hear their advertising and take their time digesting this information and discussing it with others at home, work and the barber shop.

    When they did that, Obama began to fade. Like a hit record that’s been on the charts for a while, they still smile when it plays but they’re getting used to hearing it. In Ohio, a must-win state for the Democrats in November, people began to tire of it. Isn’t there a “B” side?

    Most Americans like Obama but they don’t know him, and liking and trusting aren’t quite the same thing. A TV spot asking whom voters would rather have picking up the phone at the White House during an overseas crisis at 3 a.m. simply asked what any reasonable voter would consider before pulling the lever in November. That’s hardly a low blow or an act of “desperation” by the Clinton people.

    h t t p : / / seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004275515_johncarlson12.html

  16. Regarding the MI and FL vote, I think we should push to get AL Gore involved to help mediate a solution with the DNC. He, of all people, should understand the injustice of an unfair voting system!

  17. BHO IS LYING when he says that he didn’t know Rezko was a problem when they bought his mansion together. About that time, Rezko was in super-hot water for his minority contracting scam with his restaurants at O’Hare airport. It was all over the papers and was the beginning of the end for Rezko. Sorry, but I don’t have archives from Trib or elsewhere. This would be pretty hot news: OBAMA’S FRIEND/DONOR TONY REZKO CHEATED MINORITY BUSINESSES OUT OF CONTRACTING OPPORTUNITIES!

  18. Per US News and Reports..

    Obama at a Crossroads
    March 12, 2008 03:27 PM ET | Bonnie Erbe | Permanent Link

    The opening line of an Associated Press report posted online last night was not pretty:

    Whites largely shunned Barack Obama in Mississippi ‘s Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday as the Deep South showed once again its reluctance to embrace him across racial lines.

    Is this the beginning of the end for Obama? As I posted earlier this week, Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Jonathan Last wrote that Obama’s victories have come mainly in states unlikely to be won by the Democrats in November in any event: states like Idaho, Utah, Georgia, and South Carolina.

    Now there are questions about Obama’s ability to win over white southern Democrats. Finally other writers are agreeing with what I referred to weeks ago as the Obama “phenom”: That it is starting to show cracks. Consider this online Seattle Times op-ed by one John Carlson in which he tracks the excitement over Obama’s campaign as trending down from a previously high arc:

    But excitement is closely tied to momentum and the Obama campaign is losing both. The affection for him is genuine, but it’s less a long-term romance than a crush.

    Six days ago, Rasmussen Reports released a poll showing: “In Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton has opened a fifteen percentage point lead over Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows Clinton attracting 52% of the vote while Obama earns 37%.”

    The Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton race for the Democratic nod has been harder to follow than a ping-pong match. It sure looks as though heading into Pennsylvania, a very long six weeks from now, Obama faces the toughest phase of his historic campaign thus far.

  19. obama gets his scalp-ferraro resigns from hillary’s camp just now. tm is right-we are madder than hell. question is how do we express it?

  20. WTF? Ferraro is leaving the campaign!!!!!!!! Why? This just gives credence to Obama, and it’s going to piss of italian americans.

  21. Obama is not as Bipartisan as he clames, he is also Anti-Irish.
    Amazing that Fat Arse Kennedy had the NERVE to, excuse the pun,”Throw his weight behind him” is outrageous and I believe this will damage them both with the irish-american vote. article below:
    Independent.ie
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/obamas-blow-to-illegal-irish-in-the-us-1313131.html
    Obama’s blow to illegal Irish in the US
    The coverage of US presidential hopeful Barack Obama by the media here, and commentary on how his election might benefit Ireland, seems to have ignored one glaringly obvious point. In his short time in the US senate, Mr Obama has already helped to deal a huge blow to the Irish diaspora in America.
    In June of last year, he played an instrumental role in the defeat of the so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill, which had been crafted by an unlikely coalition which included President George W Bush, Republican Senator John McCain and Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy.
    Had it been passed, this delicately crafted legislation would have brought a resolution to the legal limbo affecting thousands of Irish immigrants in the US.
    On the senate floor, however, Mr Obama tried to amend the bill so as to restrict its effects, thereby breaking the delicate arrangement which had been agreed between democrats and republicans.
    This all but destroyed the prospects of the bill in the senate, and it was defeated in the ensuing vote.
    Senator Lindsay Graham, a key ally of John McCain and the Irish Immigrant lobby, lambasted Mr Obama for torpedoing the measure, saying that “some people, when it comes to the tough decisions, back away”.
    He also attacked Mr Obama for making grandiose statements about bipartisanship, but then failing to follow through with actual support for it.
    Following the defeat of the bill, Mr Obama then proceeded to begin a shouting match with the republican senator outside the senate chamber. Is this the kind of bipartisanship Mr Obama plans to bring to the White House?
    The defeat of the Immigration Bill last year dealt a huge blow to the prospects of citizenship for undocumented Irish in the US.
    Frank Sharry, executive director of the US National Immigration Forum, told an Irish newspaper last year that the defeat of the bill had made the issue “radioactive”, and said “we could be in for a three-, five-, 10-year hiatus while this issue gets battled out…”
    In light of Mr Obama’s role in this disappointment, how can any Irish person be hoping for his election as president?
    BARRY WALSH
    CLONTARF, DUBLIN 3

    we will vote for McCain if Hillary does not win the nomination!!

  22. Obama is a thug and a racist of the first degree. Here is the Hope and Change.

    Ferraro will not lift a finger for him now. Not one.

    We can no longer speak our mind in America under an Obama Administration. We are all racists in his book.

    FUCK HIM

  23. just heard a little report on npr all things considered re: ‘latest race gender flap’ in the campaigns. interestingly the obama guy (they interviewed a married couple, one advising hillary, one obama) was like “my heart is pounding here, i want to say that no one in our campaign called ferraro a racist”

    well, they kind of did. they wouldn’t come right out and say it, but that’s what they did, and they’ve been doing the same thing for a while now. maybe this will put a stop to it. ferraro comments weren’t helpful but they should not have treated her like that with the public outcry and axelrod’s ‘this is troubling’ comments and all. shameful.

  24. not to fear Hillary fans, the most viewed story on Yahoo was nothing negative about Hillary, it wasn’t even about Hillary

    set you eyes on this gem
    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_re_us/woman_in_bathroom

    I’m sorry, I laughed so dang hard I had to share this with you.

  25. I think Ferraro wants to continue to comment on this but not hurt the Clinton campaign in the process. She’ll take one for the team.

    i remember being a little girl and being told that no one would ever vote for Mondale because he had a woman VP. I can only imagine the kind of crap she took back then.

  26. Obama is not as bipartisan as he claims, he is also Anti-Irish.
    Amazing that Fat Arse Kennedy had the NERVE to, excuse the pun,”Throw his weight behind him” is outrageous and I believe this will damage them both with the irish-american vote. article below:

    Independent.ie
    .independent.ie/opinion/letters/obamas-blow-to-illegal-irish-in-the-us-1313131.html

    Obama’s blow to illegal Irish in the US
    The coverage of US presidential hopeful Barack Obama by the media here, and commentary on how his election might benefit Ireland, seems to have ignored one glaringly obvious point. In his short time in the US senate, Mr Obama has already helped to deal a huge blow to the Irish diaspora in America.
    In June of last year, he played an instrumental role in the defeat of the so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill, which had been crafted by an unlikely coalition which included President George W Bush, Republican Senator John McCain and Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy.
    Had it been passed, this delicately crafted legislation would have brought a resolution to the legal limbo affecting thousands of Irish immigrants in the US.
    On the senate floor, however, Mr Obama tried to amend the bill so as to restrict its effects, thereby breaking the delicate arrangement which had been agreed between democrats and republicans.
    This all but destroyed the prospects of the bill in the senate, and it was defeated in the ensuing vote.
    Senator Lindsay Graham, a key ally of John McCain and the Irish Immigrant lobby, lambasted Mr Obama for torpedoing the measure, saying that “some people, when it comes to the tough decisions, back away”.
    He also attacked Mr Obama for making grandiose statements about bipartisanship, but then failing to follow through with actual support for it.
    Following the defeat of the bill, Mr Obama then proceeded to begin a shouting match with the republican senator outside the senate chamber. Is this the kind of bipartisanship Mr Obama plans to bring to the White House?
    The defeat of the Immigration Bill last year dealt a huge blow to the prospects of citizenship for undocumented Irish in the US.
    Frank Sharry, executive director of the US National Immigration Forum, told an Irish newspaper last year that the defeat of the bill had made the issue “radioactive”, and said “we could be in for a three-, five-, 10-year hiatus while this issue gets battled out…”
    In light of Mr Obama’s role in this disappointment, how can any Irish person be hoping for his election as president?
    BARRY WALSH
    CLONTARF, DUBLIN 3

    >>>>>>>>>>>..

    Tell every Irish person you know, pass this around, they should vote Hillary or McCain if she does not get the nomination,

    NO BAMA
    NO WAY

  27. i do think ferraro should not have run aroudn to all these msm talk shows this am. they want blood-got her to say more stuff and she is sick from it. msm is not our friend and ferraro sadly bc she supports hillary is not permtted to speak her mind-snark

  28. I just read at TalkLeft that Obama opposes a do-over in MI and will only accept a 50/50 split of the delegates.

    He’s just ASKING to lose in November.

  29. i’m writing media as well, wrote msnbc to complain about olbermann slander.

    my suggestion for this.. it’s like sending a resume. hit a few points, with bullet points, short, and simple. they’re probably not going to read a long letter.. eg

    * Your network blames Sen. Clinton for the photo of Obama in traditional dress being circulated. This is false. This photo came from a tabloid newspaper and right wing blogs. Source: [url]

    * Sen. Obama’s Mississippi speech was given extensive coverage on your network. The same day, Sen. Clinton returned to her family’s hometown of Scranton, Pa for a large rally. No equal coverage was given of Sen. Clinton.

    *James Carville and Paul Begala, Clinton supporters, were practically removed from commenter roles on your network. Meanwhile, Donna Brazile, who is an Obama supporter, has remained on air and is presented as a neutral commentator.

  30. Spacegirl,

    Did someone actually say this to you??????

    “On Tuesday, we called CNN to find out how there cold have been NO coverage (except in the negative by proven lies and innuendo and twisting of the facts by your company) and were told by the woman on the phone that it was “a decision by the Producers” to not allow any coverage of the Senator from New York. Needless to say, we were appalled and horrified….” Did you get their name?????????

  31. Tiny Dancer: 50/50 only benefits him. The DNC is beyond corrupt. I may very well leave the democratic party. So he gets 50% of the vote/delegates for taking his name off the ballot, as a reward for trying to sabotage Hillary. Nice.

  32. When will Hillary start making an issue out of BO “voting present” when he was in the state senate?? or would that be concidered being petty????

  33. The posting on the previous or up-thread about the real reason MSM is shilling for Obama re GE nuclear contracts is dynamite! (Of course, hasn’t been covered, right?) Whoever posted this, please post again and everywhere! Local media everywhere need to pick it up.

  34. I have a list of preety much all media contacts EMAILS, its over 100 and VERY LONG. IF you BCC it on an email, they wont be able to tell you sent it to all at once, so BCC.

    NOW, Should I post it here (very long) or should I do it by email for those who want it.

    It’s a great tool, I stole it from Obama supporters!!!

  35. i think obama is going to pay for this ferraro incident. as he should. she has spent a lifetime working for democratic and progressive issues and deserves respect and, indeed, the benefit of the doubt. someone with such vaunted judgment should consider that, and not simply one comment. there was NO NEED for them to go nuclear on her and try to paint her as a racist and call for her head like they did.

  36. EMVH…Messers Hannity and O’Reilly have that letter now, as well as several other papers in Boston and PA…along with NPR

  37. By trying to discount Florida and Michigan I think it’s clear that Dean, Brazille and the DNC are in a kama-kaze mission for the sake of their fuhrer.

  38. anyone see my post: at 5:41, let me know if I should post list here, or if I can just collect the email of those who want the VERY comprehensive email media email list

  39. Another_reader: I agree. Why do these chowderhead men get the benefit of the doubt, yet the well-respected elder stateswoman Ferraro is dissed and dismissed? She has spoken truth to power. Glaring evidence of the gender bias.

  40. jithendra Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    the fat basxtrd kennedy is disgusting…
    >>>
    you are 100% correct!! Kennedy co-wrote that bill for the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform, he counts on the Irish vote to get his fat arse elected evey time her runs for office and his little darling Bambi spoils the bill. There are Irish people in the US that have fled from here because of death threats, many of them. And most have been there for 15 years or so, married americans and have children, yet they may be deported!!!! I hate obama, more and more each day, He is SUCH a feckin liar!! This crap he writes about Hillarys role in the North of Ireland is utter rubbish! It is obama who has never done anything for anyone, anywhere as far as I can tell, andt that includes his kenyan grandmother who lives in a shack!! What a great guy……….NOT!!

    irishlobbyusa.org/
    hillaryworldwide.org

  41. WOw, longer than I though, but remember BCC it when you use this list. Evereyone who wants it copy it down, then I suggest admin erase it if possible because of length/ we dont want enemies to have this list…

  42. @space
    @lin

    Paydirt (from hill hub fact site posted today)

    Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams told The Irish Times that, although he admires all three remaining US presidential candidates and is not endorsing any of them, Mrs. Clinton is justified in claiming a role in the peace process. “David Trimble is reported as saying Senator Hillary Clinton played no part in the Irish peace process. That is not true. Senator Clinton played an important role in the peace process,” he said. “I met the senator on many occasions when she was First Lady, and subsequently when she became a senator for New York State. I always found her to be extremely well informed on the issues.”

  43. reader….he goes nuclear on everyone. He HAS no respect for the Democratic Party of the standardbearers that made it a party where he could even be considered. Look at the Republicans…white men annd a few women, almost exclusively. And he chooses to bite the hand that feeds him.

    Oh well…when you have millions in cash from your buddies in the Oil-for-food program, who needs loyalty?

  44. Maybe I need a tinfoil hat, but this is beginning to feel to me more like a take down of Clinton, than a fight for the White House. Like they’ll risk losing in November as long as the b**** is gone.

  45. Does anybody know if Rezko’s restuarant corruption and other alleged legal problems was in the IL papers when Obama signed the house deal.

    If so, he was ignorant and lacked more than judgment. If he did nit read the news, then he lacks the capability of being on top of the news. Either way he cannot be trusted to do the right thing at the right time.

    Were the dates of the house deal? I am going to reserach what was in the news and what obama was doing at the time.

  46. EMVH…the post you just made about Irish in the Immigration Bill. he republicans hate it that nothing happened, now to have Obambi being a big part of that failure will really piss them off

  47. or you can go to: mediamatters.org/issues_topics/media_personalities

    easy to find what you want for the main stream media

  48. Here is what I sent to CNN:

    I am a long-time viewer of CNN. I have always looked to CNN for unbiased, straight-up, news reporting.

    For the past six months, I have been watching with great frustration the blatant bias for Obama and against Hillary from your anchors, producers and analysts. First, there is a clear difference in the time of coverage of the two candidates. Obama rallies and press conferences are covered more extensively than are Hillary’s rallies and press conferences. Just today, Obama’s press conference with retired army generals in Chicago was given a lot of coverage, yet, Hillary didn’t get the same kind of coverage when she had a similar event last week.

    Even more pernicious is the fact that your shows are filled with supposedly objective analysts like Roland Martin, Donna Brazille, Gloria Borger, and Carl Bernstein (to name a few) but who have a clear bias against Hillary. Meanwhile, you have fired Paul Begala and James Carville as analysts because they are Hillary supporters. Even worse are your journalists: people like Campbell Brown, John King, Janet Yellin, and Suzanne Malveaux who are supposed to be unbiased journalists but are really closet supporters of Barack Obama. Their disdain for Hillary and love for Obama shows clearly in their reporting so much so SNL parodied you a few weeks ago.

    The only two people who have maintained a sense of fair play and journalistic standards are Wolf Blitzer and Lou Dobbs.

    Is this what CNN wants to be? Do you want to become another MSNBC or FOX?

    I urge you to return to your 1990s standard of being the truly fair and balanced network. I must admit that in the last few months I have started watching FOX news more and more because at least they don’t show any favoritism towards Obama (they are equal opportunity offenders). In this primary they have indeed become the fair and balanced network.

    I urge you to improve your journalistic standards and cover all candidates fairly and with an equally suspicious eye. That is your role as journalists.

    best wishes,

  49. I can’t stand watching CNN

    I have to take the dog out. There is less crap in the vacant lot then on television.

  50. SPACEGIRL!!!!!!

    Spacegirl,

    Did someone actually say this to you??????

    “On Tuesday, we called CNN to find out how there cold have been NO coverage (except in the negative by proven lies and innuendo and twisting of the facts by your company) and were told by the woman on the phone that it was “a decision by the Producers” to not allow any coverage of the Senator from New York. Needless to say, we were appalled and horrified….” Did you get their name?????????

  51. no prob Kaff, now when we have something to say, we can say it to pretty much all media people at once!!

    just everyone remember to BCC, journalists tend to delete things that they know have been sent to all their colleagues!! BCC is a blind carbon copy, which means receiver does not see the full list.

  52. DISGUSTED!!!!

    Tweetie just says “So the real comeback kid of this campaign is Monica Lewinsky?”

    The poster who said they think the DNC is more interested in taking down the Clinton’s then in getting the presidency is right on. (IMHO)

    Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face. The longer this race-baiting goes on, with Geraldine resigning, BC muzzled, everyone walking around on eggshells to avoid bruising BO’s fragile sensitive ego, the more it will come back to haunt the party in November. And they don’t give a d@mn. So why should I? Personally, my situation won’t change much no matter who is in office and, after all, that is the bottom line, isn’t it? Whatever is best for ME!!!!!!!

  53. Geraldine quote in her letter to HRC..

    “The Obama camp is attacking me to harm you and I can’t allow that to happen and so I am resigning.”

  54. He experience MVH-

    Your stuff was invaluable. I sure hope you like what I did with it. I think people will be amazed at how much she accomplished. I am exhausted–it was a ton of work.

    Please recommend it. We gotta get the word out, heh?

    lin who feels like she has been to Ireland and back lol

  55. EMVH,
    I think he’s more interested in attracting BO. 👿

    SPACEGIRL!!!!! Di you get a name when you called CNN and were told the producers made a decision not to cover the Senator from NY?
    I wanna know coz I am a new Yorker and that infuriates me!!!!!! if that’s true, I will contact upstate NY media with this little nugget.

    BTW, all – Buchanon defending Ferraro on Scarface after dong the same thing on tweetie.

  56. tweety is irish, right… hahaha 🙂 what the fusxck happendd to these bigxots, kennedy, tweety, kennedy family

  57. Buchanon,

    “Ferraro’s comments were a simple statement of fact and the idea she’s hung out to dry for telling the truth bothers me.”

    Funny the people who are coming to HRC’s aid.

  58. hope whit people come out in large numbers in NC… what the fuxccck is going on in this country…

  59. Lin

    you did loads of work, it is brilliant what you did. You must have a sore head now:)

    If you ever want to visit I’d be happy to give you the grand tour, from stormont to the glans of antrim and all point in between:)

    the pints on me:)

  60. SPACEGIRL!!!! PLEEEEZE stop ignoring me!!!! 😈

    Seriously, did you get a name when you contacted CNN and were told the producers had made a decision not to cover the Senator from NY?

    I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY wanna know!

  61. jithendra Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
    tweety is irish, right… hahaha what the fusxck happendd to these bigxots, kennedy, tweety, kennedy family
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    we call them “castle catholics” here:)

    bought and paid for, forgot their roots,living the good life whlst the rest of us live like shit

  62. EMVH–

    I could use a pint now. I am exhausted. And so worrried it won’t get read 🙁

    I would love to come over there. truly. My people are all from the south and my dad use to coach me to say we weren’t Orange Irish. haha.

    but what they hey, huh.

  63. Anyone who criticizes BO is called racist.

    Rendell – racist
    Ferraro- racist
    BC – racist

    paraphrasing Gerry.

  64. HILLARY PICKS UP PLEDGED DELEGATES IN NEW YORK AND COLORADO ERASING OBAMA’S GAINS IN MISSISSIPPI

    origin1.montereyherald.com/politics/ci_8544422?nclick_check=1

    Democrats split delegates
    By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER Associated Press Writer
    Article Last Updated: 03/12/2008 02:40:23 PM PDT

    WASHINGTON—Sen. Barack Obama picked up five more delegates than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in Mississippi’s Democratic primary Tuesday.

    But Clinton erased the gain Wednesday after final election results became available from a couple of Super Tuesday contests.

    In Mississippi, Obama won 19 delegates and Clinton 14, according to an analysis of returns by The Associated Press.

    Obama won the primary with more than 60 percent of the vote, according to unofficial returns. But Clinton was able to hold down Obama’s delegate gains by winning one of the state’s four congressional districts. Obama carried the other three.

    Clinton eliminated the gain when she picked up delegates based on final results from the New York primary and the Colorado caucuses, both of which were held Feb. 5. Clinton gained four delegates in Colorado and one delegate in New York.

    The results were delayed in New York because the race for one delegate was too close to call. Clinton won the New York primary, picking up 139 delegates, to 93 for Obama.

    In Colorado, the Democratic Party did not release results by congressional district until this week. Ten delegates had been outstanding; three went to Obama and seven went to Clinton. Obama won the Colorado caucuses, getting 35 delegates, to 20 for Clinton.

    Clinton also picked up three superdelegates Wednesday

  65. did anybody see the letter GF wrote to HRC re her resignation? What did you think of the last part where she says ” anybody who critizes BHO is called a racist?” I found that line very revealing. She is putting it in the public domain. The next time BHO starts with that racist shit this will be remembered. I really don’t know why they made a big deal of this. Not a good move in my opinion. Also, it appears Gerry made up her own mind on this. And, she is not backing down. She is right that she can freely speak her mind withpout it being attached to the clintion campaign.

  66. Castle catholics. Ayup!! so, EMVH, anyone. Where else can we get this story out. too much work in thre to let it die on the vine at mydd.

  67. lin A Chara (means my friend in irish)

    I live a stone throw from the border, when I look out my window I can see the hills of donegal:) but i hav family in Cork as well:) that is waaaaaaaaaaay down south:) They talk funny there, but then they say we talk funny here LOL

  68. EMVH, a chara,

    sounds great. I love the music of Mary Black and she has a great song about: “won’t you be my a chara” Love that song.

    Do you speak gaelic?

    I use to go to sessions a lot here. but since I am living where I am now, I don’t. Besides I don’t think there are any Irish in Southern California. Just right wing maniacs.

  69. lin

    i’d go to message boards and other blogs, popst some comments and include the url, everyone should do it and keep posting it here as well.

    right then, your lessons start now:

    language of the north 101

    children/kids=wains
    car trunk=boot
    car hood=bonnet
    wind yur neck down=calm down!
    big girls blouse-sissy
    eejit-idiot or obama
    mammy-mommy
    what about ye?hi whats up?
    what’s the craic=what’s going on?

    LOLOL

  70. In all seriousness;

    Could someone who understands this issue explain how HRC can win the nomination given BO’s lead in pledged delegates?

    Is it the do-over vote in Florida and Michigan that could push her over the top? Is it the super delegates, assuming she’s able to attract enough to her side? Is it a projected lead in overall popular votes should the voting in Florida and Michigan be repeated?

    From what I understand, there is no way for either one of them to get enough votes to reach that magic 2200+ number and if things continue as they are now, BO would have the most popular and super delegate votes by the convention. Much as I can’t stand the thought of it, it does seem there would be no way to deny him the nomination in such a scenario.

    Anyone who can explain, please chime in. I want to know the bottom line.
    .

  71. everyone,

    will you, your friends and family, join me in a pledge to notify CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc that we are boycotting them and turning them off for 24 hours, starting at: 6am ET on 3/13/08

    I realize that is a short period of time and I’d like to commit to forever, but I too am a news junkie.

    We can still get the latest news from the internet and I believe it could be, if we are united, a resounding message to them that we will not tolerate their bias, innacurate and unfair reporting.

    When we take actions in our union we do small things like this to make a point.

    Do you all support this? Is the time and time frame ok?

    I will do it regardless, but welcome you to participate with me.

  72. Ok, Fox just showed Dem comments about the Centcom resignation. First Obama, ofcourse, with some statement about seven years of Bush, blah, blah, blah..then Kerry, same comment, Webb, same comment. Then they report Hillary called on Armed Services Committee to conduct oversight hearings. Words versus action.

  73. debbie, I’m in. Rarely watch them anyways. Fox now more than anybody else.

    Also, for those who asked, I am the person who called CNN about the decision to not cover Hillary .. I was told it was a Network Producers decision.

  74. basil, if FL and MI are included as is, Hill already has a delegate lead, and I believe a pop vote lead. She’ll easily have a pop vote lead after Penn.

  75. EMFH, Linfar,
    I’m a big irish music fan, too. As a woodwind player for many years, i’m especailly fond of the tin whistle and the traditional irish flute. I have a couple of penny whistles and have taken master classes at some of the local irish festivals. I live near an area nicknamed “Ireland in the Cstskills.” They have music festivals every year with hundreds of musicians from all over the world. After classes and seminars and workshops, everyone gets together for massive jam sessions at night. You can go to a local pub and see 100 fiddlers all playing the same tune! I love Mary Bergin and the Chieftains. I also play a little bodhran.

  76. Isn’t there like whole Irish community within the US that would have message boards, etc. Thats the place this stuff needs to go .. message boards, yahoo groups, etc.

    Please don’t forget to tell everyone about the $5 grassroots fundraiser right now at Hillary’s official website.

  77. Dot,

    OK. Did YOU get a name from whoever relayed that info to you? DO you have a record of that call? When did you make it?

    I want to email some of the contacts on Kaffeen’s great list and I’m trying to zero in in the points I want to cover.

  78. dot48 I remember reading your post about cnn response,

    thanks for supporting the boycott, don’t forget to tell MSM you are doing it

  79. Rigso, mj,

    Thanks for the link. That’s what I thought. It seems the ONLY way she can win is by seating Florida and Michigan. And if the clock runs out, which BO is clearly trying to have happen, there is no way for her to claim the nomination. So what the heck are the odds of BO agreeing to either seat the delegates as is or agree to a do-over? From what I understand, there is a time limit for establishing a mail-in process or a new primary. And, I hate to say this but it seems BO is going to stonewall until it’s too late for Florida and Michigan to be included.
    And then what? Can you see HRC throwing her support behind him????
    She has too much self-respect for that.

    So then what?

  80. Basil, I have more faith than you because what you are suggesting is that Dem’s will roll over and allow him to steal the nomination. I don’t see that happening.

  81. Basil: you’ve got it. he won’t agree to it, and the DNC is not doing anything to help the process along. For party unity, she will have to put her support behind him.

  82. My entire conversation was with a customer service rep at CNN. I asked why there was no coverage of Hillary the day before (that being the day she kicked off Scranton,Pa) .. they kept going to Obama live in Meridian, Ms all day long .. the csr told me in response to why they were no longer covering Hillary “it is a network producer” decision.

    Yesterday’s coverage was from another feed from WGAL in Pennsylvania.

  83. That’s the reason Obama is trying to block a revote in FL/MI. He won’t win them and he’ll lose the popular vote lead for sure. Going into the convention with slightly ahead in pledged delegates but behind in the popular vote will not look good. It’ll be 2000 all over again and he’ll be Bush. The argument that most delegates/most states = nominee rings hollow now and only gives credence to Bush’s presidency.

  84. dot: so, CNN is not to cover her, at all? Trying to marginalize her, by not covering her? Are all the networks doing that?

  85. If there is enough support in Florida itself, couldnt people start a march on the Democrat Party offices there?

    Something HAS to get their attention.

    People got to start getting on tv and drawing attention to the fact that OBAMA wants to suppress the Florida voter .. those very voters who will have a huge impact in November

  86. Since Hillary has been in Washington today .. her schedule does not have anything listed for tomorrow yet.

    I read she is at a presidential forum in Washington. Is Bambi still babysitting Rezco in Chicago.

    I swear folks. I will not cast a democrat ballot this year if that cultleader is the nominee.

  87. I’m voting for Hillary no matter what. I hope everyone else does too. Then vote downticket for the dems because if McCain is the president, we’re going to need a stacked congress.

  88. basil9 Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
    EMFH, Linfar,
    I’m a big irish music fan, too. As a woodwind player for many years, i’m especailly fond of the tin whistle and the traditional irish flute. I have a couple of penny whistles and have taken master classes at some of the local irish festivals. I live near an area nicknamed “Ireland in the Cstskills.” They have music festivals every year with hundreds of musicians from all over the world. After classes and seminars and workshops, everyone gets together for massive jam sessions at night. You can go to a local pub and see 100 fiddlers all playing the same tune! I love Mary Bergin and the Chieftains. I also play a little bodhran.

  89. somebody wrote here yesterday .. that from what they knew, Hillary would be the nominee. I am not sure who it was but that poster always makes me feel that something is in the works…BMerry yes, that is who it is.

    All that we can do is what we are doing now and what Hillary is doing. Fight till the end. She’ll make every state till June her last stand and we have to be there with her.

    I really do not think that media intends to cast any stone upon Obama…ever.

  90. 1. basil9 Says:
    March 12th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
    In all seriousness;
    Could someone who understands this issue explain how HRC can win the nomination given BO’s lead in pledged delegates?

    >>>>>>>>>>neither one can win by pledged delegates
    Is it the do-over vote in Florida and Michigan that could push her over the top? Is it the super delegates, assuming she’s able to attract enough to her side? Is it a projected lead in overall popular votes should the voting in Florida and Michigan be repeated?

    >>>>>>>>..florida and Michigan will figure bigtime in this election
    From what I understand, there is no way for either one of them to get enough votes to reach that magic 2200+ number and if things continue as they are now, BO would have the most popular and super delegate votes by the convention. Much as I can’t stand the thought of it, it does seem there would be no way to deny him the nomination in such a scenario.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>basil, I know what you mean, and there is much truth in that, I know for a fact the DNC want obama to win. I personally believe he was hand picked long ago to run against Clinton in a media package buzz campaign and to take away the AA votes from her as well. I think there is a split in the party, but I sadly think that the Dean, Brazile,/Kerry people/group have more support. I believe this is why neither Edwards or Richardson has come out for hillary even though Richardson is a close friend of the Clintons and Edwards and she have more in common than Edwards has with Bambi.. The fact that the DNC have not only allowed, but encouraged obamas dirty tactics using the race card speaks volumes IMHO. They are attempting to push him down the throats of the Dem voters. I am not sure that they even care about the core Dems like us, who support hillary and are pissed off at the treatment of her. I think they are going for the youth vote and the cross overs, they think enough of us will come round by the GE or that if we don’t they can still get him elected with cross overs and youth vote and such. It is all about Deans dream of a progressive party. One thing that has troubled me is that many of the states Bambi’s won are red states, and he had not carried the big core dem states. I originally thought long ago that perhaps they would find a way to give it to hiillary in the end based on this using the superdelegates, now I don’t believe that at all, they want bambi all the way. Obviously the DNC could not be certain he could carry red states in the GE and they are not so stupid as to throw this election. I believe they have a plan, not sure what it is though. This may sound very crazy, but perhaps bambi pick a progressive republican to run as VP, given that McCain is not that popular with repubs.. If they go with him and force him to be the nominee then they have to ensure a win somehow, this could be one way to do so………In this election there are many things the DNC can use like the fact the many repubs don’t like McCain and the fact that some people don’t like Hillary or the Clintons, they will use both of these things to their advantage IMO. having said that, IF hillary can win the popular vote she has a good chance to make the argument and there will be a good argument for hillary to make if she wins big in Pa and a few others, it just depends on how much clout the Clintons still have in the party, that we will have to wait and see, it sucks for sure but she must keep winning to have a chance, just my take:)

  91. I see a McCain/Romney Ticket. Romney will bring a lot of charisma to the ticket and it’ll get the repubs up off their seats. McCain is duller than dishwater but he is tough enough and Romney will be the true conversative to satisfy that part of the base..plus he is eye candy.

  92. Linfar,
    yes, I love irish music. I was a music teacher for 20 years, in urban (think South bronx) areas, and the kids would go NUTS every year when i did Irish music month. They’d all want to to try Riverdance style step-dancing. OMG! it was hysterical! And theur favorite song was “The unicorn.”

    MJ, unfortunately I do not Trust Dean, Brazille and the DNC as far as I can throw them. They will do anything to deny HRC the nomination, IMHO.
    Birdgal, I agree.
    Dot, thanks for the clarification. A customer Service Rep. And this was on Monday, right? Around what time?
    Idunn – I should be healthy as a horse by August and I’ll be ready for a brawl so count me in. BTW, did everyone hear gerry say she’d been getting threats via email?

  93. Dear Hillary –

    I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

    The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you. I won’t let that happen.

    Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

    You have my deep admiration and respect.

    Gerry

    *****THIS IS TRULY A SAD DAY IN AMERICA WHEN IT’S PEOPLE ATTACK ONE OF IT’S STAUNCHES SUPPORTERS OF HUMAN RIGHTS***** I’m gonna go off and cry now!

  94. It’s a long way to August. The Clintons never give up, and neither will I. Anything can happen, and probably will, given how things have gone so far.

  95. basil

    “the unicorn” LOL

    that is so funny how you told that story:) My sister in law who is just turning 50 now was the grand champion of Irish dance when she was a young girl, she has a display of medals that are amazing. I love it when it is Feis time here, great to watch the wee tiny ones dance.

  96. the best thing for hillary now is that there are many weeks until PA happen,s much time for obama to stumble. when you are the golden boy in the lead then you have to be realy careful, and anything could happen as I dont believe the DNC thought this would go this far or take this long,

    time………..is on our side now

  97. EMVH–I agree with a lot of your analysis. there is a huge fight going on for control of the dem party, and the kennedy-kerry-daschle-hart contingent, to name only a few, are leading the charge to oust the clintons.

    basil9–we should have out own little session sometime, right here. I’ll sing haha

  98. EMFH,
    Great explanation. I agree that the DNC script has been nominating BO no matter what it takes.

    If they succeed, however, it will be another 4-8 years of Repub rule.

    The disenfranchised WHITE voters will cross over and become McCainiacs.
    But I’m not giving up. I just function better knowing the worst case scenario.
    Debbie, i agree it is a tragedy what they did to gerry. Even Buchanon said: “Ferraro’s comments were a simple statement of fact and the idea she’s hung out to dry for telling the truth bothers me.”

  99. A friend of mine at HQ said the campaign has set up a comments box for suggestions on improving the campaign. If you have a suggestion that you would like to get to the campaign, please e-mail me at lawschooldem@gmail.com and I will see to it that they are sent to her and to the campaign.

  100. Guys, don’t give up. There is zero reason to believe BO is an more likely than Hill at this point. Look at him blatantly trying to steal the election:

    http://www.talkleft .com/story/ 2008/3/12/ 17353/7404

    By Big Tent Democrat

    So say his MI Campaign Co-Chair:

    State Sen. Tupac Hunter, D-Detroit, said a mail-in caucus “is clearly the wrong path. “We don’t like it one bit,” Hunter said. “It disenfranchises people who need to participate and there are many questions with regard to security.”

    Hunter said the Obama campaign will accept nothing but a 50-50 split of Michigan delegates between Clinton and Obama, who removed his name from the January ballot here in protest of the early date.

    (Emphasis supplied.) I guess the Obama MI Co-Chair does not agree withObama’s previously held positive view on mail in voting, agreeing instead with Obama’s newly minted distaste for mail in voting. Oh and a 50-50 split is the ONLY thing Obama will accept in Michigan. Hope we are clear now on how Obama feels about the will of the people of Florida and Michigan.

  101. Tell me isn’t Ferraro a superdelegate, I wonder how many other superdelegates will be pist about this, this may cost him some sd’s, what do you all think?

  102. lin

    yes it was so obvious to me early on that it appeard as if the DNC had a party and didn’t envite the clintons!!

    I hope enough people will fall in line for hillary if she does have the popular vote. The fact that the AA’s lie sharpton et al are threatening riots is another factor. The DNC made a huge error by allowing this to get a life of it’s own. Now I dont see how they can keep obama out witout pisssing them off. Even if obama said in th end for people to support her (not that I think he would ever do that he’s far too arrogant!”) but i htink it’s gotten way out of hand now and the genie is out of the bottle and i wonder where it will stop, scary

  103. linfar Says: EMVH–I agree with a lot of your analysis. there is a huge fight going on for control of the dem party, and the kennedy-kerry-daschle-hart contingent, to name only a few, are leading the charge to oust the clintons.

    Duh. I don’t suppose there’s anything WE could do about that? Impeach Donna Brazile?
    Who elects those idiots anyway? (Tho Dean did do a good job with his 50 state strategy, sfaik.)

  104. EMVH,
    What’s even funnier is seeing dozens of hip-hop-honed AA kids press their arms against their sides and try to imitate Michael Flatley! i WISH I’d gotten video of that. And all year they’d whine, “Can’t we do the Unicorn, again?’ Same way they’d beg to listen to The Nutcracker in the middle of May. 😀

  105. basil9 Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
    EMVH,
    What’s even funnier is seeing dozens of hip-hop-honed AA kids press their arms against their sides and try to imitate Michael Flatley! i WISH I’d gotten video of that. And all year they’d whine, “Can’t we do the Unicorn, again?’ Same way they’d beg to listen to The Nutcracker in the middle of May.

    What on earth does that mean?

  106. Did anyone catch Fox News earlier when they were talking about the horrible things Rev. Wright said about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky IN CHURCH? I didn’t watch, but I was reading about it on Taylor’s site, a few people posted about it while they were watching….from what I was reading over there, his comments were AWFUL…

  107. basil9 Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
    EMVH,
    What’s even funnier is seeing dozens of hip-hop-honed AA kids press their arms against their sides and try to imitate Michael Flatley!

    ROTFLMAO

    Cant picture that LOL

    but the 3rd or 4th riverdance in dublin had these three blakc guys that were amazing they did tap dance, and during the scne of new york they did this dance war with the irish guys, then they became friends and each group did the others dance moves, they were fantastic, they even ran up the walls and flipped over, the irish loved them and they got 2 standing ovations!!

  108. I love it when people talk at length about other people’s sex lives. They get such a thrrrrril out of lovingly savoring all those terrrrrrrible things 🙂

  109. mangomist3, I read about it. I heard he was doing the humpty hump in the pulpit. Disgusting…Obama and his people are just disgusting.

  110. This thing with the DNC has been coming for some time I believe. it began with Deans own campaign, but he screwed that up himself. You know that they claim this is some sort of phenomenon with obama, it’s not, it’s deans campaign all over again on steroids. Remember dean started the small internet donations and raised several millions that way back then. And, funny enough most of deans old internet guys work for…wait for it……..Obama!!! surprise!! also I have noticed MANY grassroots democratic sites and organisations that all seem to push Deans ethos of pregressivness and on every one of those sites they clearly support obama.

    smells like bullshit to me…………..

  111. I heard he was doing the humpty hump in the pulpit.

    How is that appropriate in a church setting?

  112. Caroline Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
    mangomist3, I read about it. I heard he was doing the humpty hump in the pulpit. Disgusting…Obama and his people are just disgusting.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    LOLOL what have I missed??
    I ony get CNN europe and fox over here

    do tell sounds interesting:)

  113. If voters go to the polls in two large states, and the DNC doesn’t hear them, did they still vote? The DNC is absurd.

  114. Why does Obama want to disenfranchise the very state that is key to the Democrats in Florida? Is he naive enough to think that the voters will NOT remember this in November. Is the Democratic Party as a whole THAT stupid.

    If the DNC wants to hand this thing over to McCain and the republicans in November then they will be well on their way if they refuse to hear Florida voters.

    The Florida voters will not forget……..

  115. If someone can post the video….we may need to take action on this and get it out there. People will be disgusted with it. Obama can say he does not agree with him on everything, but he goes to his church and listens to his sermons, which apparently involve bashing Bill Clinton and using inappropriate gestureso get the point across…

  116. Thank you DemAC. I appreciate it.

    Plural–do you know anything more about the conference for Ireland she is attending.

    It would be great to update the diary.

  117. part of the problem is we are not organized on the ground and we are not vocal. The AA’s will march and riot, the obamabots will march and riot, we dont unfortunately. WE really should find a way to organise across the usa, form a group and elect a leader, thenw e can issue press releases and the media will carry them………

    Id fly over to march for hillary

  118. Fundraiser Trial Witness Gets Immunity

    By MIKE ROBINSON – 2 hours ago

    CHICAGO (AP) — The former chairman of a state board with power over multimillion-dollar plans for hospital construction testified Wednesday that he took “marching orders” from a political fundraiser on trial for fraud, attempted extortion and money laundering.

    Thomas P. Beck, former leader of the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board, had warned prosecutors that if called to the stand he would refuse to testify, taking the Fifth Amendment. On Wednesday, a federal judge granted him immunity for anything he might say at the trial of Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

    Beck testified that Rezko, a major fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich, would tell him what he wanted before board meetings and that Beck would relay the word to other members.

    Rezko is accused of scheming with millionaire attorney Stuart Levine to split a $1 million bribe to get state approval for construction of an $81 million hospital in Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago.

    Rezko also is charged with scheming with Levine to force kickbacks out of firms wanting to invest money from the state teachers pension fund.

    Rezko denies he took part in any such scheme. Levine has pleaded guilty and is expected to be the government’s star witness.

    With Beck in the witness chair, prosecutors began playing the first of dozens of FBI recordings of conversations between Levine and others.

    One concerned the vote on the Crystal Lake proposal, which fell one vote short until Levine whispered in the ear of one of the board members, Dr. Imad Almanaseer, who changed his vote from “pass” to “yes,” according to testimony at the trial Tuesday.

    Former board general counsel Anne Murphy testified Tuesday that many in the room gasped when the proposal was pushed through the nine-person board that way.

    All five members who voted in favor of the project were appointed by the governor following a recommendation from Rezko.

    Beck, 69, is a former Cook County comptroller who now works as a consultant and splits his time between Chicago and Palm Desert, Calif. His cousin is Ed Kelly, formerly head of the Chicago Park District and Democratic committeeman of the city’s 47th Ward.

    Beck was first appointed to the board by Gov. Jim Edgar and reappointed by then-Gov. George Ryan. He testified Wednesday that he got reappointed again by going to see Rezko, taking a contribution of perhaps $1,000 to the Friends of Rod Blagojevich campaign fund with him to Rezko’s office.

    Rezko told him he would want to talk with him before board meetings about the administration’s views on issues presented to the board, Beck said.

    Prosecutors say Rezko raised enormous sums for Blagojevich’s campaign fund and as a result developed the clout to get state jobs for his nominees.

  119. EMVH–

    I forgot Dean. As i understand it, he has it in for Hillary because he felt she and bill did not support him better.

  120. Dean is an asshole. If anyone hear had an love for him and his 50 state strategy, please do yourself a favor, and get over it. He’s supposed to be neutral, but he is totally in the tank for Obama.

  121. basil9

    Hillary cannot catch up to Obama regarding the delegate count but she can exceed his popular vote total. Once she gains the popular vote lead, she can argue at the convention that she should receive the nomination because she won the most votes!

    Our first step is to win by double digits in Pennsylvania.

  122. linfar, no, I just checked the brief schedule on today’s hubdate, and it says a newspaper publishers association presidential forum.

    I thought I’d seen something she was attending about Ireland, but maybe I was mistaken. Sorry.

  123. mangomist3 Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
    If someone can post the video….we may need to take action on this and get it out there. People will be disgusted with it. Obama can say he does not agree with him on everything, but he goes to his church and listens to his sermons, which apparently involve bashing Bill Clinton and using inappropriate gestureso get the point across…

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    this was reported on FOX the other day,I wrote it down:

    On Christmas day Wright delivered a sermon and compared Obama to Jesus, he then went on to say””hillary Clinton could not know –hillary aint had to work twice as hard to get accepted by the rich white folks who run everything or got a passing grade when you know you are smarter than that “C” student in the whitehouse!”

    this guy is sick, full stop!!

    Why is the media not going after him except for fox news??

  124. Sorry, here. I’m not being funny. Dean probably has a cabinet position or something he’s looking for. It’s always the “reformers” who are the most crooked. Dean takes the cake.

  125. Experience matters, what are you talking about? We’re not organized? If you had been to Texas and seen how well-oiled the Texas ground troop were, you wouldn’t have made that comment.

    Obama ground troops are made up of uneducated, little goons who are think intimidating the elderly and female Hispanic voters are the keys to success. I have yet to see a riot. What I have seen is a black man with black supporters who will not hesitate to turn this election into a race card.

    Truthfully, I’m quite sick of this. This is not fun. If someone like Gerry is forced to resign for stating the obvious, then the Obama thugs have won. Race is THE issue. When you call anyone who dares point out that you’re black a racist, the game is over.

    No press release, no hand-wringing, and no letter writing to the network can help the situation. It’s now a black vs white issue and Obama camp is getting away with it.

  126. lin, no you are right, there is an annual thing for the top 100 irish americans, she will be there and so will Bill….And ……………..surprise, Satan will be there too, even tho he has NEVER gone before, now trying to get the irish vote, only stupid irish would vote for him

  127. This may be a dumb question to some, but – WHY AREN’T WE – HRC SUPPORTERS, CALLING FOR A BOYCOTT OF MSNBC AND CNN, LIKE YESTERDAY? YES, THERE NEEDS TO BE ORGANIZED MARCHES IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN FOR SEATING THE DELEGATES. Obama doesn’t care if he disenfrancises the voters of these two states. What surrogate groups in those two states can organize a revolt against Obama for refusing to allow a do-over vote? WHERE THE HELL IS THE ORGANIZED OUTRAGE?!?!?

  128. If helter skelter is what the Obama thugs want — and may be succeeding at — how’s our outlook in November? Will McCain — who has a black adopted daughter — be accused of being a racist, too?

  129. filbertsf,

    race became the issue a long time ago. Hillary will not go there tho. She has more integrity than many. But Maggie will 🙂 and she is taking iot to them.

  130. filbertsf Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Im not talking about campaign organisation on the ground, im talking about hillary supporters across the country. Regular people who are outraged by what is happening, much like Sharpton, Jesse Jr, et al and the obamabots who threaten riots or marches if their candidate does not win

    you guys are doing great things for the campaign, sorry should have been clearer in my meaning:)

  131. lin, here’s a blog about what I read, but there’s no date given:

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/meet-me-at-the-irish-forum/

  132. EMVH, I cannot imagine a single irisher voting for BO at this pt.

    He has made it all about race. And a lot of dare I say it–whites–ain’t a gonna take it lying down.

  133. If Obama wants a race war give it to him.

    Rob Reiner should do an ad to run in PA, IN, KY, WV, SD and MT which says something to the effect:
    “You may have heard that is you do not vote for Barack Obama you are considered a racist or “Archie Bunker” type. Unlike Mr. Obama with Archie Bunker you always knew where he stood. Senator Obama has no position on the issues, his position changes daily depending on who he is talking to and where he is talking. He has changed positions so often, it would not suprise me if he does not know where he stands on the issues. I am damn proud to be called an American and an Archie Bunker type. Because I am supporting the one person who not only knows the issues has the right position on all of them and the experience to carry through, Senator Hillary Clinton.

  134. linfar, I have yet to see the magic that is Maggie. Gerry has been forced to resign and Obama thugs are still playing the race card.

    Like I said, once you inject race into this, it’s a Pandora’s box. The media and pundits are terrified of even speaking about Obama’s race. Who the hell wants to be labeled a racist?

  135. It is BS. Just look at who is supporting Obama, and it obvious, that there is a split in the Democratic party. I look at the senators and congresspersons from my state, and I can see the split. The congressman from my area is for Obama, but the county went for Clinton. Do you think, he’ll change his vote “to reflect the will of the people.” He is just like Kerry, Pelosi, and Kennedy. The will of the people only applies to Obama.

  136. plural

    lin

    the irish forum is in PA and bambi wont go to that one,

    the other i menioned above is a big deal as all the top people will be there, bill and hill kennedy etc etc etc that one bambi WILL go to, all of a sudden discovering he like the irish, the wanker

  137. I don’t think anyone forced Gerry to rersign. I think she wants to be free to go after him. I think she acted on her own. The clinton campaign essentially did not ask her to leave.

  138. Geraldine Ferraro said at 1984 Vice Presidential Debate

    “Well, let me first say that I wasn’t born at the age of forty-three when I entered Congress. I did have a life before that as well. I was a prosecutor for almost five years in the district attorney’s office in Queens County and I was a teacher. There’s not only what is on your paper resume that makes you qualified to run for or to hold office. It’s how you approach problems and what your values are. I think if one is taking a look at my career they’ll see that I level with the people; that I approach problems analytically; that I am able to assess the various facts with reference to a problem, and I can make the hard decisions. I’m intrigued when I hear Vice-President Bush talk about his support of the president’s economic program and how everything is just going so beautifully. I, too, recall when Vice President Bush was running in the primary against President Reagan and he called the program voodoo economics, and it was and it is. We are facing absolutely massive deficits; this administration has chosen to ignore it; the president has failed to put forth a plan to deal with those deficits and if everything believes that everything is corning up roses, perhaps the vice-president should join me as I travel around the country and speak to people. People in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, are not terribly thrilled with what’s happening in the economy because they’re standing in the light of a closed plant because they’ve lost their jobs. The people in Youngstown, Ohio, have stores that are boarded up because the economy is not doing well. It’s not only the old industries that are failing, it’s also the new ones. In San Jose, California, they’re complaining because they can’t export their high-tech qualities — goods — to Japan and other countries. The people in the Northwest — in the state of Washington and Oregon — are complaining about what’s happening to the timber industry and to the agriculture industry. So, so things are not as great as the administration is wanting us to believe in their television commercials. My feeling, quite frankly, is that I have enough experience to see the problems, address them and make the tough decisions and level with people with reference to those problems.”

    ***

    Ferraro criticized Reagan’s actions of refusing to support, and later signing, the Voting Rights Act. At the debate, after Ferraro issued such criticism, Sander Vancour politely cut her off in order to please ask the enthusiastically applauding audience to calm down.

    ***

    in 1993 President Clinton appointed her ambassador to the United Nations Committee on Human rights.

    ***

    I remember how proud I was, in my early 30’s that Geraldine Ferraro was on the ticket for Vice President. I am proud that she took the challenge and became a woman of distinguished courage. I take the attack on her very personally as it has been a long 20+ years waiting for another woman that could fill her shoes. I now am proud that Hillary Clinton is that woman. I will NEVER vote for Mr. O in the GE, because of, if nothing before this wasn’t bad enough, his campaign’s efforts to publically destroy Mrs. Ferraro. Should Hillary not prevail nothing she could say would get me to unite behind BHO. NOTHING!!

  139. Obama is like a mean ass kid who has crying fits and the family just decides to roll over and give in.

    Fuck him. I won’t give in. He’ll not get this white woman’s vote in a million years. Yes, I will count in November because the Dem’s can count me out.

    The vote in Florida and Michigan need to count. This is America

  140. warehouse,

    Thanks. that’s what I thought. But if Florida and Michigan don’t count, then there is no way she can get the popular vote, right? 👿
    That’s what really bothers me.
    Linfar – yeah – a virtual jam. 🙂
    EMVFH – I have that video and the tap dancers are fab! there is a real connection between step-dancing and tap dancing. i still don’t understand, though, why the irish keep their arms pressed against their sides and all the movement is all foot and leg. Someone told me it’s coz when the English were in ireland they banned irish music and dance and would pass by cottages making sure there was no dancing going on and so the people would keep their arms still because the british could only see people’s torsos through the windows and wouldn’t know they were dancing. It was a funny explanation but not sure I buy it. 😀

  141. Amazing how a black man who is educated at an Ivy League school… elected to high state and federal offices… marries an equally successful, educated black woman… does not hesitate to use the race card.

    I just wanted the Primary to be about politics. Now, it’s all about race. Hillary is a racist. Bill’s a racist. Gerry’s a racist. I’m a racist.

    Fuck Obama and his gang of thugs!

  142. dot48–lol

    debbie–thanks for the reminder on Ferraro. She has been around the block in politics and she will not rollover for Obama.

    EMVH–are you saying, Obama was the critical vote on the immigration bill?

    About the irish events. Kennedy will take him to the one and say he has a new definition for “black irish” rofl

  143. DumbA$$ Harry Reid gives “fireside” podcast to try to soothe American’s. On 75th anniversary of FDR master fireside chat.

    PATHETIC

  144. I’m going to PA, along with a whole bunch of CA folks. We went to NV and to TX and we’re going to blanket PA. I can’t guarantee a million person march — Obama folks will call it an imitation of the KKK march — but we’ll try to be visible.

  145. FIlbert,
    “It’s now a black vs. white issue.” You’re right, but BO will not win this war. Do you really think the whites in this country are going to turn over the presidency to him in light of his blatant reverse racism? Like I said before, he will never be president. He may have a shot at keeping HRC from getting the nomination but she will still have a career in politics and he won’t. What’s more, he will have jeopardized the chances of many non-white candidates for years to come. The only ones who are obsessed with pushing BO are the media and journalists who somehow think that by blindly supporting BO they are proving their non-racism. (IMHO, that is).

  146. Mj & Dot — I am very much with you now. I will not go along with this guy. Today was the last straw for me. He is a disgrace, willing to disenfranchise 2.5 million voters in two of the most important states.

    It’s over — all of the bullsh*t posturing by he and his cronies and cultists (who are mostly jealous Dem leader wannabes) has gone too far. Screw all of them.

  147. the thing about organizing right now, the economy. Many people can’t afford to get there. I’m giving all I can to the campaign, I really don’t have the money to travel.

    I’m flustered.

  148. Iam so tired of the race issue, Hillary (as well as McCain) will never be on the right side of black. what can she “hit” BO with for the next 6 weeks?

  149. dot EWWWWWWWWW

    that just makes my skin crawl thinking of Harry Reid trying to soothe me.

    Like Nancy Pelosi being your old creepy aunt at Christmas who want’s to give you a kiss….

    EWWWWWWWW

    RUN AWAY

  150. Religion and Politics=Poison!

    There is something inately wrong when anyone minister/reverend, etc… uses their pulpits to cheerlead one candidate and angrily defame another candidate and her family. It goes against the ten commandments. It goes against the gospels. How can these “holy” people reconcile what they are preaching with the teachings of God?

  151. lin

    EMVH–are you saying, Obama was the critical vote on the immigration bill?

    see my post earlier up the thread. he caused it to crash and burn in the senate. The article was written here in ireland in a news paper never mind heres the url for the story

    independent.ie/opinion/letters/obamas-blow-to-illegal-irish-in-the-us-1313131.html

  152. Basil — you are exactly correct.

    filbert — BHO has no shame, none. He will use anything.

    It’s time to put a full court press on PA; it is ‘go time.’

  153. I will continue to phone bank and contribute. This is the only time in my life that I wish I was wealthy.

  154. dot48, I don’t think PA will lack volunteers. PA is surrounded by lots of Clinton-friendly states. Surely, folks from NY, NJ and OH will pour into the states. Most of these volunteers can just drive there.

    Texas was a different case. It was too big and surrounded by Obama-friendly states. It definitely needed folks from friendly AZ, NM, and CA.

  155. Jan H. : it is also against the IRS rules for churches. they cannot promote politics. I believe, Wright’s church is under investigation.

  156. lin…please post more on the immigration bill…….

    please send to LawDem at his email….to the campaign

  157. This is a funny comment.

    “Spitzer is one of a long list of high profile elected male officials to be caught up in sexual scandals. What is the solution?? Elect women politicians!! Women are loyal, devoted to ensuring the welfare of family/country, and able to think clearly even in pants (suits).

    Go Hillary!!!!”

  158. If I weren’t going to NYC in May I could probably get to PA. Or maybe I still can. I’ve wanted to take the Office fangirl trip to Scranton, lol. Is there any contact info for travelling to PA?

  159. I am free to go to W.Va. I have family there and they are all willing to work their tails off. With Rockefeller and Rahall backing Obama…she should try to open an office soon .. with a phone

  160. Tiny Dancer, you just go to HRC’s website. Click on States… go to PA. On the right hand side, you click on Traveling to PA and fill in the info. Then someone from the PA will give you a call.

    From my experience in TX, don’t depend on anyone: just make your travel arrangement, know where you’re going, show up and be prepared to work. No one cares that you’re from OOS. You’ll be doing the exact same job as an in-state person.

  161. Thanks birdgal,

    I wasn’t aware of that. I guess I won’t hold my breath for Obama to denounce this latest knife in Hillary’s back.

  162. Lin

    the one below is the one that hill and bill always go to, it is all the irish movers and shakers, plus fat arse kennedy and kerry too. Suddenly now Obama is going, pathetic! Any irish person who votes for him is NOT irish!!Obama is trying to use the irish and at the same time srew them over casuign them to be deported

    irishabroad.com/news/irish-voice/entertainment/Articles/Top-100-Irish-Americans150308.aspx

  163. Tiny, if you’re lucky, you’ll find housing with an in-state volunteer/staff person who is kind enough to open their homes to you. But more likely than not, the demand far exceed supply. So try to find your own housing.

  164. Jan – someone on Forum referred to people like Wright as Pulpit Pimps. Every AA neighborhood has their share. I heard plenty of them when i worked in the urban school system. They all sound exactly alike and BO sounds just like them. It’s the up-on-a-pedestal-pundits with no REAL life experience who are so enamored of that style. if they’d ever bothered to walk the neighborhoods of the areas they reported on they would know it’s the most common thing. But, nooooooo . . . All this is new to them and so they’re convinced BO is something special when he’s just another run-of-the-mill pulpit philanderer. The AA people I worked with used to ROTF when they saw the way these flim-flam artists hoodwinked the uptight whites in administration. It’s a scam.

  165. DOt,

    Just saw the $5 grassroots pitch on the HRC site. i will donate 25.44 tomorrow. Also, I may try some PA phone calls but I’d like to see the script. Is it available on the HRC site without signing up? I want to check it out before making the commitment.

  166. mj…sigh…they count your isp

    i know, i know, but I jst hate it that he gets coverage anywhere. Go back tothe last thread and read my letter to MSNBC/NBC at about 3:40 pm

  167. basil,

    I know that politics aren’t for the faint-hearted, but I have to say that the games Obama and his followers, including his church and other churches are perpetrating just want to make me cry. Hillary is such an amazing person as are Bill and Chelsea. George Bush won’t be impeached for sending so many soldiers to their death in Iraq by fudging evidence, and yet Bill was impeached for something that, yes hurt his family, but was of no danger to the country at large. Bo can throw the kitchen sink at Hillary and have his minions call her names and yet someone as great as Gerry has to resign for telling the truth.

    Every day it’s something else and I know this sounds like I’m depressed but I’m not really. I’m just waiting for some balance, for the truth to prevail, for Obama to face his crimes, for the media to get slapped long and hard.

  168. basil, you need to sign-up. The script contains disposition numbers that you need to use in order for the campaign tally up.

  169. Basil, I also have the new Activate (predictive dialer) script and numbers if you want them for PA.

    spacegirlart@gmail.com

    also if anyone else wants to call without hanging up and dialing each number, this is the way to go. Takes about five minutes to get used to.

  170. If someone has the youtube of Wright’s comments that Fox played, please post them. This story needs to get out.

  171. Jan,
    I know it can be depressing but he!!, it doesn’t seem to have gotten HRC down. it’s a game, a dirty nasty game. It’s the same thing that happens in all organizations. you wouldn’t BELIEVE the nasty politics I experienced in a friggin urban school system! It was all about who got what classroom, which grade level, which kids, what lunch period and those who had the least-kid-contact won. those positions were coveted and fought for as bitterly as any life-threatening battle would be. It’s sick. It’s disgusting. It’s human nature. I’m just glad that HRC is dancing the dance and will be in it until the final curtain. She makes me proud.

  172. If there is anyone watching CNN or MSNBC, will you please take note of the advertisers and post them as they appear?

  173. What about all the AA pundits who are taking up for Wright and Farrakhan? Very few Black commentators or guests will say anything about their blatant racism. There is going to be another civil war fought on the streets of our cities – more rioting, drive-by’s, gang-related killings – talk about HATE crimes… why in the hell won’t the DNC confront Obama about his incitements. Because his brother works for Obama, he won’t? Talk about so many conflicts of interest that it’s not even funny. Somebody has to do something about Dean’s failure to grasp the gravity of the situation. And Obama better understand that the White people of America will ultimately blame him for the racial strife. Know one thing – the Secret Service has their work cut out for them more and more as time goes on. No wonder MO didn’t want him running. She and Rita Rezko did house deal. She’s as corrupt as him, hiding behind her cushy hospital adm. do-nothing job. Scratching each others’ backs and rubbing elbows. Disgusting. What a mean-@ss &itch.

  174. Reports Greg Sargent at Obama´s Talking Points Memo:


    In Private Pep-Talk To Top Donors, Hillary Predicts: “We’re Gonna Win This”

    In a private meeting in D.C. with her top fundraisers from all over the country today, Hillary gave a rousing pep-talk in which she flatly predicted, “we’re gonna win this,” according to a fundraiser who was present.

    In a series of closed-door meetings in Washington today, fundraisers were given extensive presentations from top Hillary advisers and surrogates about strategy and about what needs to be done to win over super-delegates should she fail to close the pledged delegate gap, the fundraiser says.

    The fundraiser adds that there were expressions of frustration with DNC chair Howard Dean for not doing enough to resolve the Florida and Michigan situations.

    I reported below that the Hillary campaign summoned its top fundraisers for an all-day affair in D.C. today. The fundraiser who was present gave me a rough run-down on some of what transpired.

    Fundraisers were given a presentation on Florida by Senator Bill Nelson, and one on Michigan by Senator Debbie Stabenow, and senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes walked listeners through the challenges ahead. The presentations had a tone of optimism tempered by realism, the fundraiser said, adding that Ickes didn’t try to persuade his listeners that she would be able to catch up with Obama in pledged delegates.

    Rather, the clear message emerging from the presentations was that Hillary’s success depends on the campaign’s ability to persuade the super-delegates that they should be considering three “data points,” as this fundraiser puts it, in considering whom to back: The pledged delegate count, the popular vote, and the specific states won by each candidate.

    The fundraisers — who included Hillary finance chairs Alan Patricof, Maureen White, and Hassan Nemazee — persistently questioned Hillary advisers about what could be done about Florida and Michigan. There was a pronounced sense at the meetings that Howard Dean needs to do more to resolve the situations in those states. “There was very much a sense that people want Dean to do more,” the fundraiser says.

    Hillary spoke soon after noon to her top money people. “She took questions for most of the time,” the fundraiser says, adding that she projected an “upbeat” air and that she said, “I’m a fighter, when I get knocked down, I get right up, we’re gonna win this.”

  175. mangomist3 Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
    If someone has the youtube of Wright’s comments that Fox played, please post them. This story needs to get out.
    >>>>>>>>>>

    if you are tlaking aaobut the ones I posted earlier they were said by the talking head that come on at 7AM it was Steve Doocy that read teh quote I wrote. At the time I wrote it down on paper so i’d rmember it, perhaps by searching the net we might find it. i will see what i come up with. the reference to “jesus” really bothered me!

  176. Curiosity, I have notified DONNA BRAZILE AND the FBI as well as the Dept of Homeland Security AND Senator Clinton’s SENATE office about the threats and anarchists postings I have seen that make direct threats.
    I have also reminded them all that Governor Wilder and Al Sharpton have threatened violence on the television. If the DNC, through Donna Brazile, knows this (I told her I wanted to Barack Obama to publicly denounce this behavior) and to date they have done nothing, that should tell you a lot.

  177. In addition, I have sent this information to a nuber of papers as well as the associated press.

  178. EMVH, I appreciate that. I will no longer watch these networks if at all possible or buy from their advertisers. The man from the FCC told me this works very well, and very quickly.

  179. experience, my impression was that Fox had a video of this because how else would they have known that he was making inappropriate motions to express his point? No? I had the impression they showed a video tonight.

  180. Donna has not replied since I sent her the hate messages and the threast and asked Senator Obama to publicly denounce them. I congratulated her on their win in Vermont and got nothing back either.

  181. spacegirl,

    A couple of weeks ago someone posted the majpr advertisers for MSNBC, CNN, etc. i know GE was a top advertiser. Maybe someone copied the list and will post it again. I may have copied it too but it takes me a while to find things. 🙁

  182. Jan H–I understand your post. I feel the same. I thought we were finally gonna get rid of Bush and sail on into the WH. I don’t mind dirty politics, i don’t. but the media and their witchunt is anotehr story. It just gets me down sometimes. That is why this list is so, so important. We have to be able to support each other and figure out stratgegies and share war stories. this is exactly how the women’s movement did all they did. And we can do it too–for Hill.

  183. Aww, Donna is mad at you 🙁

    I assume the FBI and Secret Service will be ALL over these threats. Bill and Hillary have SS protection for life, correct?

  184. Hey all…

    Just wanted to make a quick comment. I agree with a lot of the discussion and I loved Ferraro on GMA today because she MADE SENSE, but I will say we need to stop using the term “reverse racism.” Racism is not defined as white against black or black against white, so there is no reverse. I know it’s PC, but it how we realistically and intelligently need to speak about these things.

  185. The one I posted they read from a sheet of paper and quoted it, i’m looking for references to it online. but hannity did an interview tih him yesterday and taht is here
    foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256078,00.html

    but this is not the christmas one, still inthe one above he says
    “We don’t have to say the word “white.” We just have to live in white America, the United States of white America”

    nice words eh?

  186. Basil, I remember the post of advertisers too. I just need to go back and search, but i have NO CLUE about when it was.

    TD…Donna is mad at the world. And yes, I believe the Clinton’s have USSS protection as long as they want it.

    I certainly hope FBI and DHS will actually be watching this stuff. The level of rhetoric is getting to the boiling point.

  187. Hillary needs to catch BO off guard and releas her tax returns next week, and then ask him to come clean on the real estat deal between him and Rezko.

  188. EMVH-

    I am going to look at immigration story latah–I am pooped. I felt like I was writing an irish epic 🙂 See ya lata A Chara. Hope you get lots of hits on your website.

  189. birdgal,
    I don’t think it was “leaked” in the sense that it hurts our gal. Now the entire world knows that even in closed meetings Hillary and her camp is 100 % sure she will win this little thingy. 😉

  190. spacegirl,
    Didya hear that gerry has gotten threats?
    Add her name to the growing list: Tavis Smiley, John Lewis, the Illinois congressman (forgot his name) . . . .

  191. SpacegirlArt:
    Guess they think if they ignore all the warnings, they will go away? Friends at work no longer speaking to each other and lost sales is not what we’re talking about, even though that is certainly happening. It’s threats of bodily harm, threats of God only knows what, deliberate acts of intimidation…I mean, my God, it’s like this is Haiti or some other third world country where corrupt politicos have their henchmen show up in the middle of the night to scare people. Where are Dr. Martin Luther King’s successors?!? “Anybody here seen my old friend Martin? Can you tell me where he’s gone? They said he freed alot of people…ah, but they all die young.” Or how about a little “Bridge Over Troubled Water”? Where’s the “bringing people together” Obamabots? Put up or shut up Obama. Tommy Rot.

  192. sigh, I can’t get out of here 🙂

    Reverse racism is valid. Racism is by majority group to minority group. Reverse racism is from minority to majority. it is not completely accurate, but it is widely understood and used that way

  193. mangomist3

    yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-and-his-mentor-jeremiah.html

    wright said this:
    “In the 21st century,” says Wright, “white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

    heres a good link with info on some of his teachings and sermons still looking of the other one:)

  194. WOW.

    Ferraro did a FANTASTIC live interview on the NBC Nightly News with substitute anchor Ann Curry. Pulled no punches and called a race baiter a race baiter. Too long to transcribe completely, but she finished by saying:

    I personally think that this is the last time that the Obama campaign is going to be able to play this type of a race card because I think that’s what it is. They should apologize to me for calling me a racist.

    Somebody needed to say it.

  195. yes, basil, I hear that. I am sure she has notified the correct authorities and it was GREAT she said it on TV. But it was funny no one said “you’ve had threats? What kind of threats?”

    NO ONE

  196. Basil & linfar,

    Thanks for the pep talk. I know Hillary is going through this personally and we are just on the sidelines. She is wonderfully strong and I will support her right into the White House. 🙂

  197. birdgal, Talking Points Memo is not an Obama site. DemAC was saying that because a lot of what they write is pro-Obama. Greg Sargent is pretty fair, though.

  198. hey all – I”m the late comer, been traveling, and you all are my news source – on Taylor Marsh, Ferraro’s resignation letter – very sad situation that she is choosing to leave, but see the bird that she flips to the BO campaign:

    Dear Hillary –

    I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

    The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you. I won’t let that happen.

    Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

    You have my deep admiration and respect.

    Gerry

  199. Paula,
    Very true. While TPM (Talking Points Memo) at large is in the tank for Obama, Greg is sometimes somewhat “fair and balanced”. But generally they deserve their derisive nickname of Obama’s TPM.

  200. JAS Says: Hillary needs to catch BO off guard and releas her tax returns next week, and then ask him to come clean on the real estat deal between him and Rezko.

    And his Illinois senate office records which he claims he lost (when REzko’s tenants were freezing) and his passport so we can see where he’s really been, and MIchelle’s financial records — and is it true he has not released his OWN 2007 income tax? And what about prior to 2006? And did he release all of 2006, or just the front page?

    Tho hers may not be ready till August?

  201. Although if I were from the Obama camp, that would be a racial slur and I would have to get the Chyron operator fired

  202. I’m recording Fox. I don’t know if I can get it online or not, my computer is weird and I’m still on painkillers, but I’ll try.

  203. we need to see this again:

    # Joe Friday Says:
    March 12th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    WOW.

    Ferraro did a FANTASTIC live interview on the NBC Nightly News with substitute anchor Ann Curry. Pulled no punches and called a race baiter a race baiter. Too long to transcribe completely, but she finished by saying:

    “I personally think that this is the last time that the Obama campaign is going to be able to play this type of a race card because I think that’s what it is. They should apologize to me for calling me a racist.”

    Somebody needed to say it.

  204. mangomist3

    spacegirl

    I found a lin to that christmas sermon where wright likens obama to jesus, however…magically the page now does not appear, but you can see that it existed here, look at the top link when you go there and you will see it
    google.co.uk/search?q=jeremiah+wright+sermon+obama+jesus&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

  205. CHICAGO — Barack Obama’s controversial pastor and the church he’s served for 36 years may be in hot water over statements he has made from the pulpit in support of the Illinois senator’s run for the White House.

    The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. preaches that he follows the righteous path, but when it comes to the federal tax law, his Trinity United Church of Christ may have crossed the line.

    Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

    “There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction,” Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

    It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

    The title of Obama’s second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” was taken from a sermon by Wright.

    During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

    “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.

    RelatedStories
    As Obama Talks Religion, Questions Surround His Controversial Pastor “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

    In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

    “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

    FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright’s sermons from the church.

    “It’s pretty clear an indirect endorsement of Barack Obama — that’s not something you’re supposed to do according to the tax code,” said Andrew Walsh, a professor at Trinity College who specializes in religion in politics.

    The tax code bans churches from participating in or intervening in a political campaign. Violations can result in the loss of a church’s tax exempt status.

    The Obama campaign issued a statement in response to FOX News’ inquiries about Wright’s sermons.

    “Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they’re offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church,” said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

    “Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees.”

  206. Geraldine just said it hurts that people think she’s racist. I wonder how Hillary and Bill feel 🙁

  207. I love her, Sean Hannity and Alan Colmes seemed very friendly to her argument, she explained the story over.

  208. hawk Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
    Dee Dee is a Clinton supporter, but not officially, I am about 80% sure.

    Her sister works for Obama because he would never say anything like the vast rightwing conspiracy”.

  209. Wow, well, if that is all Obama has to say…I am sorry, it does not fly. People go to religious services to find my inner peace, connect with god, etc….if Obama finds that a man who would spew such objectionable things about his political opponents has the kind of wisdom that helps him, I don’t even know what to make of that…

  210. Yeah, Hannity is going to make Wright, the Weather Undergound, Farrakhan, and Rezko big issues in the GE, and if he steals our nomination, I can’t wait.

  211. space

    we should search these that were included in the above article:
    RelatedStories
    As Obama Talks Religion, Questions Surround His Controversial Pastor “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

    im looking now

  212. Hannity noted a bunch of Obama topics that haven’t been covered by the mainstream press – his pastor, ayers etc – and said that they will be an issue in a GE.

  213. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., senior pastor, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, March 2005.

    CHICAGO — Barack Obama’s controversial pastor and the church he’s served for 36 years may be in hot water over statements he has made from the pulpit in support of the Illinois senator’s run for the White House.

    The Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. preaches that he follows the righteous path, but when it comes to the federal tax law, his Trinity United Church of Christ may have crossed the line.

    Wright praised Obama from the pulpit on Jan. 13 in what was billed as his final sermon at the Chicago church.

    “There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction,” Wright said during his sermon, according to recordings obtained by FOX News.

    It was not the first time Wright appeared to endorse Obama, who was baptized at Trinity United, has been an active member of the church for two decades and receives spiritual mentorship from Wright.

    The title of Obama’s second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” was taken from a sermon by Wright.

    During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

    “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.

    “Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

    In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

    “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

    FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright’s sermons from the church.

    “It’s pretty clear an indirect endorsement of Barack Obama — that’s not something you’re supposed to do according to the tax code,” said Andrew Walsh, a professor at Trinity College who specializes in religion in politics.

    The tax code bans churches from participating in or intervening in a political campaign. Violations can result in the loss of a church’s tax exempt status.

    The Obama campaign issued a statement in response to FOX News’ inquiries about Wright’s sermons.

    “Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they’re offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church,” said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.

    “Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees.”

    Click here to visit Trinity United Church of Christ Web site.

    Obama defended Wright’s longtime activism for blacks in America last week at a campaign event in Ohio.

    “Jeremiah Wright … has said some things that are considered controversial because he’s considered that part of his social gospel,” Obama said.

    The Internal Revenue Service wouldn’t comment on whether it is looking into potential tax violations at Trinity United. The church declined to make Wright available for an interview.

    Congregant Dwight Hopkins, a professor of Theology at the University of Chicago, said there is no basis for the IRS to go after the church.

    “From the church side they will say it’s theology,” said. “If it wasn’t a senator running for president and it wasn’t his church, then I think we could say all kinds of things.”

    The IRS has written dozens of letters warning churches against political advocacy from the pulpit. Yet it has revoked a church’s tax-exempt status only twice in the last half-century.

    Walsh said it’s not typical for the IRS to enforce the rules.

    “There’s a tension here between the desires of the religious leaders to say important things in the public marketplace and the IRS rules, and so most of the time, the IRS does not enforce these rules,” Walsh said.

    The public scrutiny of these sermons comes in the wake of last month’s revelation by the head of the United Church of Christ that the IRS is investigation a speech Obama gave at the denomination’s national conference last year in Connecticut.

    In a certified letter, Marsha Ramirez, IRS director, EO Examinations, wrote:

    “Our concerns are based on articles posted on several Web sites including the church’s which state the United States Presidential Candidate Senator Barack Obama addressed nearly 10,000 church members gathered at the United Church of Christ’s biennial General Synod at the Hartford Civic Center, on June 23, 2007. In addition, 40 Obama volunteers staffed campaign tables outside the center to promote his campaign.”

    The church and the Obama campaign have denied that any inappropriate political advocacy occurred during this speech.

    Wright’s sermons often address themes of white supremacy and black repression, and critics have called them racially divisive.

    Some remarks attributed to Wright that have been posted on the Internet and cited in press accounts include:

    “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college.

    “Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.

    “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. … We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. … We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. … We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.

    “And … And … And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this shit!”

    Click here to hear an audio clip of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. WARNING: Contains offensive language.

    Once Wright’s remarks were widely publicized last year, Obama backed out of his plans for his pastor to speak at his Feb. 10 presidential announcement.

    Obama met Wright after college while working with local churches in Chicago to tackle problems of drug abuse and unemployment in inner-city neighborhoods. Wright preached an Afrocentric theology that interpreted the Bible through shared suffering of African Americans.

    For Obama, this experience was a spiritual turning point. He has written that he had been exposed to various faiths during his life but never formally adopted one until after meeting Wright.

    “Inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones,” he wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”

    “Those stories — of survival, and freedom, and hope — became our story, my story.”

  214. Ann, it’s being reported that BO’s campaign is focusing on the after PA states. He’s pretty much conceding PA to HRC.

  215. # Ann Says:
    March 12th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    On HRC site, a reference to BO “turning away from PA” anyone know what they are referring to?

    Ann, my understanding is they know they will not win and are setting up camp in the other upcoming states and PR….all the more reason we need to RAISE MORE MONEY and get on the ground in these places too

  216. ….conceding PA, when HRC had the courage to go and campaign down in Mississippi. He’s a coward. For me, cowardice is the deepest sin.

  217. ““Inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones,” he wrote in his memoir, “Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.”

    “Those stories — of survival, and freedom, and hope — became our story, my story.”

    In short, his book could have been named “MY SO-CALLED LIFE”

    READ THIS SECTION CLOSELY

  218. Ann, I believe his campaign was lowering expectations in Pennsylvania. I think they recognize this could be a tough state for them…but don’t for one second believe them when they say they won’t be campaigning hard in PA. He has tons of money to blow and he will blow it in PA, while also getting ground troops organized for the next several states. I think he figures if he cannot take PA, but he can take the rest, he is in good shape (probably true). SO while we want and need to win PA big, we also need to prepare our ground troops for the next stages also. We need get troops in the rest of the states going.

  219. It could prove to be difficult, but, Hillary needs to keep Obama on defence for the next 6 weeks. The clinton machine needs to get to work and FAST!!

  220. Jack Kemp just had a good line. “Yes Washington is broken, but you do not tear down our system in front of our children and grandchildren”. You hear that bambi. Hillary can use somethiing like that. I grew up in PA and every Memorial day and Veterans day children marched in the parades waving flags. You still see that in smaller towns never really publicized. Small town PA is very patriotic. Hillary besides handing out signs at these rallys should hand out flags, beat bambi with patriotism!!

  221. Keep pulling the race card and drumming up helter skelter and let’s see how far the thugs will go in Indiana. Indiana is the home of the legacy of the KKK and David Stephenson and they’ll surely love a AA candidate race-baiting.

  222. mango, you give Obama thugs too much credit. They don’t have an army sitting around waiting for the next command. They may have a lot of money, but they don’t have this massive army sitting an waiting for the next states. Volunteers come and go… and from the types of people I see volunteering for BO, they’re either sitting in class now or waiting for their probation officer to set them free.

    Look at Texas. Clinton and Obama organized offices and group troops at the same time. There was mass confusion on the Obama side until the official campaign came to town. He outspent HRC 2 to 1 in TX, 4 to 1 in RI and got his ass wipped. Thugs only understand the language of intimidation and cheating… which is exactly how they won the Caucus.

  223. Bloatedmann better be careful. Progressives made him and we can unravel his career. A huge chunk of HRC supporters made him the star of MSNBC and we can easily pull away. All he’ll have left are the dittoheads and college kids who will eventually outgrow their immaturity and move on to better things… like joining a cult and moving to Ghana.

  224. In fiercely fought contests, it is often not those with superior resources that win but those with superior faith. Remember the little girl who brought her umbrella to church when the folks gathered together to pray for rain during a horrible draught? She was the one who truly believed in the magic of prayer (faith). And of course, it did rain. We must imitate the faith of this simple child if we want Hillary to be 44. (As an aside, please note that this story had a little girl praying, and not a boy.) Everyday, spend a few minutes in quite somewhere imagining Hillary as 44. All the wonderful changes she will bring the country, the strong and wise leadership etc. Make it as real as you can. Hold this image in your mind as you go about the day‘s work. Get others to do the same. Faith can move mountains. Be it according to your faith! Don’t get discouraged by anything. Humankind’s best achievements were created by those who had faith in what they were doing. This nomination contest is no different. And we have the best example of this in the very candidate herself. Hillary Clinton believes she can win. And so must we.

  225. Oh my God. I am livid. I heard Olbermann and I have been just sitting and staring. I cannot believe the asshole. How dare he. The media has been horrific. Apparently, they have no responsibility to the American people. They are rewriting history. Nothing they say ever comes out truthfully. I watch everything and the Geraldine Ferraro thing turned into lunacy.

    Personally, I agree with her. My friends and I have been saying the same thing she did since the beginning of this campaign. I am so offended that Obama was presented to the American people as a viable candidate for president. I feel like I am living in a nightmare. What should I do? Should I send a nasty but logical letter to Olbermann expressing my disdain for the media or should I shut up and hire a hit man? Just kidding. I wouldn’t know how to hire one.

    Give me some advice people. I am beside myself. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

  226. OK, now I am really getting pist off with the freaking race thing that Obama has been spreading. I am a 57 y.o. xray tech in East texas, my son is a 32 cardiac cath lab tech in a hospital just outside of Houston, him and one of his colleages were discussing whether or not Obama is going to be able to overcome the Muslim thing in the race. The other guy said he did not think he be elected and administration overheard it and he was fired today, a seasoned heart cath registered nurse. OMG, now they are going to get everyone fired for even breathing the name Obama with some doubt of his electability!! I am thoroughly pist and if that person up the blog wants more people to protest in Denver, tell, I will be there!! This kinds of things will not help Obama in the november election!!

  227. So I just read some of the comments on Taylor’s site. Apparently, Bloatedmann said Obama has run a clean campaign and HRC is playing dirty.

    Anyone here who still watches him will lose my respect.

    paddy4hill… sorry, but this campaign is not about faith. She can win not b/c she believes she can win. Not because she has faith and we should have faith. It is actually possible. This has nothing to do with belief or faith.

  228. paddy, I believe in prayer. Let us continue whatever source we feel is best for us. I pray daily for HRC.

  229. whoops – repost – FOX NEWS video of Rev. Wright saying Hillary has never been called a N****R

    type in w w w .foxnews.com then

    /video2/launchPage.html?031208/031208_chicago_church&Warning%3A%20Offensive%20Language&Edge&Raw%3A%20Salty%20sermon%20from%20Barack%20Obama%27s%20high-profile%20preacher&Politics&-1&Warning%3A%20Offensive%20Language&Video%20Launch%20Page&News&http%3A//media2.foxnews.com/thumbnails/i/031208/031208_chicago_church_320x240.jpg

  230. rjk, anderson’s answer will be OF COURSE OBAMA IS NOT TOO SENSITIVE, the Clinton campaign is racist. They try to act like they will be all reasonable to draw people in, but then it always turns into an Obama love fest/a monster bash fest.

  231. folks turn off your TV, don’t give those guys your time. It’s NOW we send a message loud and clear…..ENOUGH!

    you can find whatever you want on the internet

    do not patronize any business or product that advertizes on their TV programs

    use your anger in protest , don’t let them take your power!!!

    trust me..the advertizers will notice the drop in ratings!!!!

  232. BTW, Hillary interview to air on NPR’s Morning Edition tomorrow morning (Thursday). She discusses the Florida and Michigan delegates, race and the campaign, and other issues.

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  234. every time you click an article they know, every time you select a station on cable or direct tv they know….

    THEY KNOW EVERYTHING YOU DO!…. so stop !!!!!!!!

  235. woe… so much for drinking and driving (typing) !!!

    ANYONE POST THIS YET? HOT OFF THE PRESS FROM TAYLORS SITE:
    CHECK IT OUT:

    Hey All,

    Don’t know how many of you saw the I Hate Hillary rant by Keith Obama-Man tonight but all of us over at Taylor Marsh are boycotting. Taylor had a brilliant front page adressing Keith tonight.
    Please sign this petition and pass it along to as many people you can. The destructive sexit MSM will stop only when we make them stop.

    http://noratings.blogspot.com/

  236. filbertsf Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
    So I just read some of the comments on Taylor’s site. Apparently, Bloatedmann said Obama has run a clean campaign and HRC is playing dirty.

    hahahahahahahaha!

  237. I just wondered if Obama will start focusing on other states so to try to close the gap in those states so Hillary cant get ahead in delegates (that’s what its becoming about these days, delegates) so Hillary needs to start focusing on those states as well to get a head start so if Hillary gets ahead by 15+ in those states this WILL help close the gap and help her get ahead

  238. SORRY,

    THIS IS FROM NO QUARTER NOT TAYLORS SITE, JUST ADD THE HTTP AND SIGN PETITION K?

    Hey All,

    Don’t know how many of you saw the I Hate Hillary rant by Keith Obama-Man tonight but all of us over at Taylor Marsh are boycotting. Taylor had a brilliant front page adressing Keith tonight.
    Please sign this petition and pass it along to as many people you can. The destructive sexit MSM will stop only when we make them stop.

    Noratings.blogspot.com/

  239. I’m watching Natl Geo channel and writing this again to MSNBC and to CNN. I also bcc’s to some papers in PA, Reuters, Philly News, News-Observer and Rush. Also sent individual letter to Hannity USE YOUR TIME TO GET REAL info out, not this Axlelrod made up shit. I posted the Wright Story text at the end.

    When is the Race Card not the race card?”

    To CNN and MSNBC

    When it Barack Obama’s surrogates doing it.

    I bet you will not call him (Obama) out on this stuff, will you? Your bias towards him is disgusting and certainly not in the Public Interest. You won’t cover this, you won’t cover Rezko? (www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com – even your buddy Bob Novak uses this site for info)

    What is wrong with you people? You have this information, yet you try over and over to call Senator Clinton a racist?! And Now Geraldine Ferraro? HOW DARE YOU! These are two people who have worked for years to help the underprivileged and make America better. Your misogamy is showing people.

    How many time can Obama “distance himself” from a church he has belonged to for Twenty Years? Wake up people, you are working very hard to make this man the President. I went to High School with Martin Luther King’s kids in Atlanta. This was NEVER part of THEIR lives!

    Listen to this, read this, and ask yourself why? Where is the Hope and Change in this? Where is the unifier? THIS IS THE MESSAGE he prefers, or he wouldn’t have stayed in his church for twenty years or, “never formally adopted one until after meeting Wright” and the message he delivered. And you are intellectually dishonest if you believe otherwise.

    I got tired of listening to YOUR prejudice, so I turned you off, and it certainly didn’t take twenty-years. It didn’t even take twenty-weeks. Get a clue, and stop blaming everyone else. Even his story is “made up”. Read his own words at the end of the article. And you want him as President, why? DO YOUR JOB. This man believes this stuff, and you push for his Presidency at the expense of two outstanding Americans. WHY?

    Blaine Whitford
    Saint Petersburg, FL

    ps. and while you are at it, why mot report his VOTING RECORD?
    http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413

    Rev. Wright Audio

    youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYIZs

  240. mangomist3 Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
    experience, my impression was that Fox had a video of this because how else would they have known that he was making inappropriate motions to express his point? No? I had the impression they showed a video tonight.

    The video is on http://www.foxnews.com now.

  241. filbertsf

    If people did not have faith that Hillary could win, who would invest their hard earned cash or time making calls or even votie for her. Of course it is no substitute for these more active things, but faith (belief in the ultimate victory of HRC) is the motivating force behind them.

  242. To: hardball@msnbc ; joe@msnbc ; jim.walton@turner.com ; dave.willis@turner.com ; rick.davis@turner.com ; wolf@cnn.com ; steve.capus@nbc.com
    Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:28 PM
    Subject: When is the Race Card not the Race Card?

    To CNN and MSNBC

    When it Barack Obama’s surrogates doing it.

    I bet you will not call him (Obama) out on this stuff, will you? Your bias towards him is disgusting and certainly not in the Public Interest. You won’t cover this, you won’t cover Rezko? (www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com – even your buddy Bob Novak uses this site for info)

    What is wrong with you people? You have this information, yet you try over and over to call Senator Clinton a racist?! And Now Geraldine Ferraro? HOW DARE YOU! These are two people who have worked for years to help the underprivileged and make America better. Your misogamy is showing people.

    How many time can Obama “distance himself” from a church he has belonged to for Twenty Years? Wake up people, you are working very hard to make this man the President. I went to High School with Martin Luther King’s kids in Atlanta. This was NEVER part of THEIR lives!

    Listen to this, read this, and ask yourself why? Where is the Hope and Change in this? Where is the unifier? THIS IS THE MESSAGE he prefers, or he wouldn’t have stayed in his church for twenty years or, “never formally adopted one until after meeting Wright” and the message he delivered. And you are intellectually dishonest if you believe otherwise.

    I got tired of listening to YOUR prejudice, so I turned you off, and it certainly didn’t take twenty-years. It didn’t even take twenty-weeks. Get a clue, and stop blaming everyone else. Even his story is “made up”. Read his own words at the end of the article. And you want him as President, why? DO YOUR JOB. This man believes this stuff, and you push for his Presidency at the expense of two outstanding Americans. WHY?

    XXXXX
    Saint Petersburg, FL

    ps. and while you are at it, why mot report his VOTING RECORD?
    quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413

    Rev. Wright Audio

    youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYIZs

    Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., senior pastor, Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, March 2005.

  243. hardball, joe, wolf and usa today address were returned as undeliverable, BUT I bcc’s NC paper, PA Paper and Reuters

  244. Wow, I just watched that video of Rev. Wright…that was NOT okay. There are children present and he is all getting his mojo on talking about Bill??? DISGUSTING. We need to get this video out. If this is a man that Obama respects, this is a serious, serious problem for me. You do not choose your family, but you do choose your church. Obama chooses to pray with someone who uses such language and innuendo.

  245. I don’t know what to say about the video of Obama’s pastor. People were clapping and cheering him on.

  246. SpacegirlArt,

    I think there is a typo in your letter. “Your misogamy is showing people.” I think it should be “Your misogyny is showing people.”

  247. That needs to go mainstream for real…why aren’t the networks questioning what kind of spiritual guidance this is? I mean he is entitled to whatever kind of spiritual guidance he wants, but that was offensive and over the top, and I think people have a right to know…maybe I am being biased, but I don’t think so…that was outside of what I would consider religious differences, that was just different standards of respect…and the reverend was just downright disrespectful…

  248. These AA churches do not preach scripture, nor convey the love of Jesus Christ, love for all mankind, like MLK’s Ebeneezer Baptist Church. These radical NATION OF ISLAM churches, where all things-African regalia is the order of the day only preaches hate, intolerance, devisiveness, bitterness – in short what Michello Obama oozes – mad-as-hell, chip-on-her-shoulder, mean-@ss tough sista-girl crapola. They use the pulpit as a means to break the law, spread their own warped agendas, and grandstand. Seriously, have you heard ANY scripture quoted? ANY? TUCC-Chicago is a Christian Church about like Jim Jones following. In the name of God -WE CAN NOT STAND FOR THIS INSULT TO HUMANITY and allow this heathen – yes, heathen, hijack our country. He will NEVER, repeat – NEVER be elected in November against war hero John McCain. Every God-fearing Evangelical, traditional Protestant, devout Catholic, Orthodox and Unorthodox Jew, peace-loving Buddhist, practicings Hindi – in short, any self-respecting person will not cast a single vote for Obama. Peace-loving Muslims should speak out against Farrakhan, but they won’t even really speak out against radical Islamists in general. Think about that one for a minute. Or two minutes. Even atheists who want to be left alone and not participate in hate-mongering will be repelled by his antics. So, who does that leave? Who does that really leave? I’m seeing a pattern here, or you? Let’s stand on the shoulders of our forefathers – and even though they wanted separation of church and state, they never meant for this country to be VOID of GOD and true peace-lovers in this country.

  249. SpacegirlArt, I will try to correct those that bounced. Sorry, I can’t guarantee all of them will work, I suspect many have changed due to Obambi people.

  250. Mango…the crux “How many time can Obama “distance himself” from a church he has belonged to for Twenty Years? …THIS IS THE MESSAGE he prefers, or he wouldn’t have stayed in his church for twenty years or, “never formally adopted one until after meeting Wright” and the message he delivered.”

  251. I spent some time lurking over at Taylor Marsh, and I was impressed by the quality of the postings. There were a couple of trolls, which were kind of funny. People were posting comments like,”each time J. posts, another 20.00 goes to Hillary’s campaign. Pretty funny. I wanted to join in the fun, but I am legally maxed out. There were some comments about KO. I haven’t watch MSNBC since Super Tuesday. My blood pressure has improved. KO is a blowhard and has lost all credibility with me. Ed Murrow would be embarrassed by KO.

  252. msnbc.com corrections were fine….joe and hardball. wolf still bounced and this woman I just posted.

    Big deal was I got the Raleigh and the PA PAper through ok, and they were all blind CC’s…don’t want ms and cnn to know we know what they won’t report when we report it to others. This CANNOT be a total national media conspiracy!

  253. Hey, try not to generalize. AA churches historically have played a political role because often the minister was a professional in the community. Wright clearly went too far, but please, tone down your rhetoric. Hillary has african american supporters that visit this site, and some of the rhetoric here lately is over the top.

  254. Fundraiser Trial Witness Gets Immunity

    By MIKE ROBINSON – 1 hour ago

    CHICAGO (AP) — The former chairman of a state board with power over multimillion-dollar plans for hospital construction testified Wednesday that he took “marching orders” from a political fundraiser on trial for fraud, attempted extortion and money laundering.

    Thomas P. Beck, former leader of the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board, had warned prosecutors that if called to the stand he would refuse to testify, taking the Fifth Amendment. On Wednesday, a federal judge granted him immunity for anything he might say at the trial of Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

    Beck testified that Rezko, a major fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich, would tell him what he wanted before board meetings and that Beck would relay the word to other members.

    Rezko is accused of scheming with millionaire attorney Stuart Levine to split a $1 million bribe to get state approval for construction of an $81 million hospital in Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago.

    “I’ve got marching orders,” Beck is heard telling Levine on an April 19, 2004, recording that FBI agents made from a wiretap on Levine’s home phone.

    Rezko also is charged with scheming with Levine to force kickbacks out of firms wanting to invest money from the state teachers pension fund. Rezko denies he took part in any such scheme; Levine has pleaded guilty and is expected to be the government’s star witness.

    Beck, 69, is a former Cook County comptroller who now works as a consultant and splits his time between Chicago and Palm Desert, Calif. His cousin is Ed Kelly, formerly head of the Chicago Park District and Democratic committeeman of the city’s 47th Ward.

    Beck was first appointed to the board by Gov. Jim Edgar and reappointed by then-Gov. George Ryan. He testified Wednesday that he got reappointed again by going to see Rezko, taking a contribution of perhaps $1,000 to the Friends of Rod Blagojevich campaign fund with him to Rezko’s office.

    Rezko told him he would want to talk with him before board meetings about the administration’s views on issues presented to the board, Beck said.

    Prosecutors say Rezko raised enormous sums for Blagojevich’s campaign fund and as a result developed the clout to get state jobs for his nominees.

    Obama’s name surfaced Wednesday when a June 2003 memo mentioning him came up for the second time in the trial.

    Defense attorneys earlier Monday introduced the memo from a Blagojevich adviser, Matthew Pickering, to attorney Susan Lichtenstein, who had served as the governor’s general counsel.

    The memo said that after legislation passed restructuring the Health Facilities Planning Board, a number of legislators and other officials, including Obama, were consulted on how the board should be configured.

    But the memo said nothing about the names of potential board members being presented to Obama or the other officials.

    Obama, who has not been accused of wrongdoing, was not consulted about board membership, Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said Wednesday evening.

  255. mj, I believe the majority of us will agree with the historic perspective about the role of Afican American pastors in the community, and that churches have been used for a hundred years as places to plan andmeet. But the real story here is this man, Wright, who Barack Obama so closely identifies with (for twenty years) although speaking what may be true in his eyes, now has a greater responsibility, as does Obama, to speak civilly and to distance himself from the racism he so bitterly complains of.

  256. from Hillary Rapid Responders:

    hillaryresponders.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=188&Itemid=81

  257. What’s up peeps?! That MacLaughlin clip was awesome! lol Thanks admin! I should probably read back through the comments before I say anything at all, but I’m exhausted, so I’m not going to be here long. I was heading home this afternoon when I hear someone blowing their horn at me over and over. I turn to my left and there was an AA woman and a man in a jeep cherokee. The woman points to the rear of my car and smiles and holds up her thumb and I think to myself, “Is she talking about my Hillary sticker?” and I smile, waiting for her to tell me that my tire was flat in the rear or something.

    So, the guy, who was driving, says, “You like HILLARY?!” I say, “Yeah!” He says, “I HATE HILLARY, but my wife here loves her!” I laughed and said, “Good for her!!!” and give her a big thumbs up! I was too tickled.

  258. Trent Lott was forced to resign from the Speaker’s position for off-handedly praising Strom Thurmond. The same doesn’t apply to a Presidential candidate.

    SHAME.

    I’m off to bed.

  259. You know, speaking of Rezko, I didn’t realize how small Obama’s senate district actually was and yet he didn’t know about those buildings….and no one ever complained and oh no my senate records are no where to be found!

  260. Well sugar, the jeep driver is in good company. Mr. OObama’s pastor hates bill. Scroll up to Fox video!

    night!

  261. mj, I apologize sincerely if I said anything over the top, though I don’t think I did. I felt really offended by that clip. I would feel offended if any pastor of any color or ethnic origin or whatever were talking about anybody that way in public, and I feel especially offended given that the people eing talked about that way are my former president and first lady. My life was better when Bill was in office, and I just don’t appreciate anyone being so blatantly disrespectful. There is a way to express yourself without being crass and offensive. He can do whatever he wants in his church, he has every right, but I found it offensive.

  262. Sugar, that’s a great story. I’m sorry the guy hates her. But great story.

    Spacegirl, I was talking about the comment from curiousityhasme. I think that was over the top. Of course what Wright said was reprehensible, but that comment was objectionable, IMO.

  263. paddy, I guess I never needed faith to support or vote for Hillary. I remembered right after IA, I was feeling quite depressed. I actually thought it was all over. The next day, I redirected all of that fear and loathing and volunteered at her office making phone calls. Believe you me, there was only about 5 of us (volunteers, not staff) there that day in that big office. Those who were there were there enthusiastically. Campaign offices are the best places to be when you’re feeling down. Kindred spirits abound. I was disappointed in my fellow HRC supporters who didn’t flock to the office. Many only seem to want to be around when HRC is up in the polls are winning states after states.

    I actually fielded a call from a guy about a month ago who told me he supported Hillary, but was so depressed and sad that she was losing states after states that he was now supporting Obama. He was actually at an Obama office making the call to me. I couldn’t believe it, but I believed his story. He kept saying how much he loved Hillary, but that he was becoming so depressed that he needed to be where he knew the candidate would win. Oh well. Some people are just fucked up.

    It wasn’t faith that drove me; it was a desire to just beat the odds. When NH came around, she did it. When they declared her dead after Obama’s 11 state win streak, she did it again by sweeping OH, RI and TX.

    Faith does not drive me. Reality does. Hillary knows the game and she knows how to beat the odds.

    But I completely understand what you’re saying. Really. I do. 🙂

  264. on Taylor Marsh now – Joe Friday had pointed out this interview with Gerry Ferraro and Ann Curry – in which Ferraro states – the Obama campaign “should apologize to me for calling me a racist.”

    March 12: NBC’s Ann Curry interviews Geraldine Ferraro, who says that Senator Barack Obama’s campaign was twisting her words to make her appear racist. NBC’s Ann Curry reports.

    msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23599031#23599031

  265. having a hard time waking to dog up to go out! LOL

    TD..funny about that district, eh? Runs for President, lost Senate Records, won’t release 2005-2006 earmarks….

    Change we can believe in

  266. filbert, totally agree. I drove up to NH the day of the Iowa caucuses because I knew she wasn’t going to win. Best thing I ever did. We worked all night that night.

  267. 1,500-plus turn out to see Bill Clinton
    By RANDY GRIFFITH
    The Tribune-Democrat

    They cheered for each promise and wore “Hillary” buttons and carried “Hillary” signs.

  268. space: He is dirty, otherwise, why would a campaign aide, be taking notes everyday? I wonder, if MO’s appointment to the hospital board and/or increase in salary is related to Rezko and his people?? Her salary went up from 150,00 to about 350,000. Quite an increase. I don’t believe, everything is as clean, as some people portray him to be.

  269. mj, kindred spirits. I completely get your action. You guys are awesome in NH, btw. When Hillary gets the nomination, I would say that she owes a big thanks to the volunteers, staff and voters in NH.

    Best comeback victory in modern political history. And you, mj, was part of that team.

  270. About those senate records… Can I assume that it is illegal to remove those records from the senate or would Obama be allowed to go the shredder route?

    Surely someone in the current Chicago senate, or maybe a past aide/clerical worker in his office might know where they are? Has the media or anyone pursued any of this? Are their copies of tapes/were senate meetings recorded elsewhere?

    It just seems to pat to me that we just accept that this man misplaced every single piece of paperwork from that time period. There must be a paper trail somewhere?

  271. Thank you JanH, I have been wondering the same. It irks me when he goes on and on about how Hillary is so secretive, and yet, he has no records…

  272. I can only assume that there is a huge Rezko connection in all that paperwork he seems to have conveniently lost.

  273. No, its not illegal, Jan. State leg really isn’t such a big deal. It’s a part-time job, much more lax rules than Federal Government.

    Thanks, filbert.

  274. Thanks mj,

    I’m not all that educated on American law when it comes to state legislatures. I just think that we shouldn’t just accept his word for these things.

  275. What about memo’s, email, or letters Obama wrote that might be in Tony Rezko’s files? Obama may have destroyed his own state senate records but he likely has a paper or electronic trail with other people. I wonder if something will come out at the trial with his name on it…

  276. Jan: I’m wondering, if the list of earmarks that he won’t release, have Rezko written all over them???

  277. Yes! Electronic trails are very messy when it comes to plugging them totally off. And as far as the earmarks go, it’s frustrating to me that Obama is so darn secretive and the media are letting him get away with it.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Republicans are digging deep and far about all of this.

  278. mangomist3 Says: It irks me when he goes on and on about how Hillary is so secretive, and yet, he has no records…

    It’s a ‘Rovian’ tactic: whatever you might be criticized for, accuse the other side of it first.

  279. Ughh! This whole thing, the way the mainstream media is treating Hillary, reminds me of the way Jodie Foster was gang raped in The Accused. That’s what they are in effect doing to Hillary–gang raping her. From CNN to MSNBC and it’s deplorable. I’m going to see what Taylor Marsh has up since you guys keep mentioning it and then I’m going to hit the sack. I’ll see how I can do my part tomorrow. I signed the petition at the noratings.blogspot site. That won’t be hard for me. I decided to start my own boycott a couple of weeks ago. Screw those assholes. You guys have a good night.

  280. Just made another contribution to Ben Graber’s campaign. He was Robert Wexler’s (D) Florida primary opponent, but dropped his primary bid to run against Wexler as an Independent in November.. Since Wexler is Obama’s main squeeze in FL trying to keep any revote from taking place. We need to show bambi’s supporters that there will be hell to pay at the polls.

    http://www.graberforcongress.com/

  281. My question is why in the world don’t we have senate ethics committee checking on the house transaction? If he paid less than market for the home, and the only way he could have purchased it was to “get a little help from his friends”, isn’t that considered a gift? I believe it would be, and an illegal one at that. I wonder who has the authority to dig inside this blind trust that Obama set up for these kind of transactions?

  282. he supported Hillary, but was so depressed and sad that she was losing states after states that he was now supporting Obama. He was actually at an Obama office making the call to me. I couldn’t believe it, but I believed his story. He kept saying how much he loved Hillary, but that he was becoming so depressed that he needed to be where he knew the candidate would win.

    Can you persuade him to switch to McCain? 🙂 Or some local candidate for dogcatcher?

  283. he supported Hillary, but was so depressed and sad that she was losing states after states that he was now supporting Obama. He was actually at an Obama office making the call to me. I couldn’t believe it, but I believed his story. He kept saying how much he loved Hillary, but that he was becoming so depressed that he needed to be where he knew the candidate would win.

    Can you persuade him to switch to McCain? 🙂 Or some local candidate for dogcatcher?

  284. HillBilly, yes, i have the same question….why wouldn’t they look into it? Perhaps someone should email the chair. Anyone know how the committee works?

  285. 1950D, I think the guy was a few pepperoni slices short of a pizza. His thinking wasn’t logical. If he was depressed b/c Hillary was losing, and the guy H was losing to was Obama, then the true source of his misery was Obama. So why would he help the guy who making him depressed?

    Besides, he hung up on me after “confessing.” I was his freakin’ priest or something. I think he just wanted it to get it off his chest. I would bet with his kind, he flocked back to Hillary after he OH and TX victories. I guess he took the adage ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’ quite literally. Those are the types you can’t depend on. They’ll abandon you when you’re down. Obama can have him.

  286. when sending your letters to the various MSM make sure you include the

    wire services… AP, Reuters, UPI, AFP

    also include NPR, Bloomberg, Investor’s Business Daily and Christian Science Monitor

    individual news outlets can ignore you but if you barrage the wires, it may at least get noticed

    They need to know we mean business!!!!!

  287. Here is the senate ethics committee definition of a gift:

    WHAT IS A GIFT?

    The word ‘‘gift’’ is defined broadly and includes any ‘‘item having monetary value.’’ Specifically, paragraph 2(b)(1) of the Rule states:

    The term ‘‘gift’’ means any gratuity, favor, discount, entertainment, hospitality, loan,forbearance, or other item having monetary value. The term includes gifts of services, training, transportation, lodging, and meals, whether provided in kind, by purchase of a ticket, payment in advance, or reimbursement after the expense has been incurred.

    Somehow it seems like Obama’s deal with Rezko might fall into this category.

  288. My stomach is turning. I’m listening to the REv. Jeremiah Wright’s exhortation of how ‘…Hillary has never been called a *igger’, ‘Hillary doesn’t know what it is to be Black in America’. What the heck is this!

    Why is only Fox News highlighting this via H&C. I say we start a campaign to send that link to everyone in the media. Somebody has to cover this…..W A R N I N G S I G N S

    This man is giving a political, bitter sppech in the pulpit. He is giving a reason for BO’s canidacy imo and it is based on Hillary not being Black enough. He is casting it as Black vs White, Rich vs Poor, Haves vs Have nots.

    Now, who is using race here. Has BO distanced himself from this sermon?

  289. reference for all bills and resolutions, senators and representatives

    Library of Congress Thomas thomas.loc.gov

    you can look up everything on BHO

  290. Thanks, Debbie. I’ll be using that site for sure. I’ve started a new website that you might want to check out. I just got it online last week, so it is still a work in progress, but you might interested in some of the blogs.

    h t t p:// politwix. com

  291. I read on the site today questions about David Patterson becoming a SD when elevated to NY Governor. Patterson was already a SD pledged to Hillary as a NY DNC SD.

  292. I just want to say, I really appreciate this site and everything you folks that post here do. Getting a little mushy, but that is what a few glasses of wine does to me!

  293. hi hillfans. checkin in on my hillary news. good news about the polling numbers out of pa. but 6 weeks might as well be 6,000 years in politics. the vote by mail thing for florida is far better than a f#cked up caucus any day. we have to consult oregon on how it works for sure.

  294. Terrondt, CNN had a piece tonight about the problems with a re-vote in Florida. Apparently FL law says that a primary election cannot be done by mail. One workaround would be to have a private company hold a private election, by mail, but the problem with that is that the state of FL, by law, cannot turn over voter ID lists. So, under that scenario, there would be no way to verify who’s a registered Dem. Grrrrr!

  295. It’s Back to Iowa, for Round 2

    STEPHEN OHLEMACHER

    WASHINGTON — Not so fast, Pennsylvania. The next stop in the Democratic presidential race is … Iowa.

    Yes, Iowa.

    Weeks before Pennsylvania holds its primary on April 22, states such as Iowa, Texas and Nevada will conduct the next round of voting in the multistep process of choosing delegates to the national convention this summer. Iowa, which first voted on Jan. 3, holds county conventions this weekend in familiar locales the candidates remember well, like Des Moines.

    Welcome to the arcane world of the presidential caucus, where one day of voting is rarely enough to lock up national delegates and sometimes two rounds doesn’t cut it, either. The party’s system has both campaigns working to keep, and perhaps gain, delegates who have already been claimed in the early voting states.

    At stake: 248 delegates in 10 states, more than enough to shift the balance of the entire race. The Associated Press has awarded 138 of those delegates to Sen. Barack Obama, who has fared well in caucus states. Ninety-six went to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and 14 went to John Edwards, who has suspended his campaign.

    Most years, the complexities of party caucuses don’t generate much interest after the campaigns have moved on.

    “This year, they will be fighting over every delegate,” said Norm Sterzenbach, political director of the Iowa Democratic Party.

    Obama leads Clinton in the race for national delegates, 1,602 to 1,497. But much of Obama’s lead is built on delegates won in caucus states _ delegates who are not yet guaranteed to remain his. Here’s why:

    Most primaries and some caucuses are binding, meaning that national delegates won by the candidates must pledge to support them at the national convention this summer. Some high-profile caucuses, however, are just the beginning of a multilayer process of selecting delegates to the national convention in Denver in August.

    In Iowa, precinct caucuses were held Jan. 3 to select delegates to county conventions this weekend. The county conventions will select delegates to congressional district conventions in April and the state convention in June.

    National delegates are elected at the congressional district and state conventions _ the third step of the process. If all the delegates for each candidate show up at every step, the national delegates awarded Jan. 3 will remain unchanged.

    But if one side is unable to rally its supporters at any step along the way, it risks losing national delegates.

    Obama won the Iowa caucuses in January, picking up 16 national delegates. Clinton came in third, winning 15. Under Iowa’s quirky system, Clinton won one more delegate than Edwards, even though Edwards got the second most votes.

    Edwards’ delegates _ and the chance to win them over _ will add intrigue to the Iowa conventions.

    “Absolutely they’re fair game,” said Karen Hicks, a senior adviser to the Clinton campaign. “We are reaching out to a lot of them, trying to persuade them to join our team.”

    Both campaigns have been working behind the scenes in Iowa for several weeks, rallying supporters to attend the conventions on Saturday.

    “We are doing what we can to make sure we hold onto all the Obama folks,” said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.

    Iowa’s caucus system is similar to those in other states, though there are critical differences.

    In some states, like Colorado and Nevada, no national delegate is officially pledged to a presidential candidate at the initial caucuses. In other states, like Hawaii and Washington, some delegates are pledged at the initial caucuses, while others are not pledged until the state convention.

    Other caucus states with delegates still in play are Alaska, Nebraska, North Dakota, Texas and Wyoming.

    Iowa Democrats are preparing for big crowds on Saturday, which is probably a good idea after what happened at a county convention in Nevada last month.

    The Clark County convention in Las Vegas devolved into chaos when a huge turnout overwhelmed party leaders and forced them to shut down the convention before completing the vote.

    An estimated 10,000 people showed up for the convention, about 2,000 more than organizers expected. Rowdy crowds filled the ballroom to capacity and forced casino staff to close the doors early, leaving hundreds of delegates outside.

    After conferring with the campaigns, party leaders rescheduled the convention for April 12, when they plan to extend voting over 11 hours to keep the crowds down.

    “It’s something that Nevada had never seen before,” said Kirsten Searer, a spokeswoman for the Nevada Democrats. “In a lot of ways it’s a good problem to have because, obviously, people are connected to these candidates. But it’s hard to plan for something like this.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/its-back-to-iowa-for-ro_n_91226.html

  296. OK SORRY TO TYPE IN BOLD BUT I HAVE TO. WE NEED TO FIND THE BEST WRITER HERE ON THIS SITE MAKE A VERY STRONG LETTER ABOUT ALL THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT WE HAVE FACED THUS FAR WITH MEDIA BIASED TONY REZKO THE DELEGATES THE REASON BEHIND THE MEDIA FAVORTISM FOR OBAMA ALL OF IS IN A VERY LONG A STRONG POINTED LETTER AND SEND IT TO ALL THE EMAILS ABOVE! COME ON GUYS LET DO IT! THAT IS AMAZING HOW MANY EMAILS WE HAVE ABOVE SO LETS USE IT TO ARE ADVANTAGE, MAYBE MANY OF YOU ARE BUT IM NOT A VERY GOOD WRITER BUT I GUESS ONE SHORT LETTER WOULD NOT HURT. SO PLEASE WHO IS OUT THERE THAT CAN MAKE THE BEST CASE IN ONE LETTER TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE WAKE UP! JUST MAKE IT PUT IT UP AND WE ALL CAN GET TO WORK ON THOSE EMAILS ABOVE AND SEND THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN! WHO IS WITH ME?

  297. Don’t know if someone already posted this but here it is. A video of Reverend Jeremiah Wright preaching the most hateful and racist speech I’ve ever seen in a “church”.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

    THIS VIDEO NEEDS TO GO VIRAL. Send it to all of your friends who are Hillary supporters, send it to your momma, send it to your pastor, priest, or rabbi. People need to see this before they vote for Obama.

  298. I didn’t want to but I had to watch so I could respond
    here’s what I sent to MSMBC

    viewerservices@msnbc.com
    letters@msnbc.com
    countdown@msnbc.com
    KOlbermann@msnbc.com
    dabrams@msnbc.com

    Re: Countdown: Special Comment 3/12/2008

    Your words Mr. Olbermann make you not a journalist, but a red-faced irrelevant sideshow. You and the entire MSNBC network have violated every journalistic code of ethics to dictate the outcome of this election. You will fail.

    Along with many others, I will support all efforts to reign in your license, boycott your advertisers and block you from any broadcast in the homes of America.

    You have done nothing but fuel the racial division in this country by thinking your rants have any “lasting” meaning. Believe me, for your short-term emotional punch, you will only be remembered as THE WORST NEWS PROGRAM OF ALL TIME. I actually welcome Mr. O’ Reilly’s insanity to that of yours.

    I can assure you sir you preach to the wrong crowd. Turn your rants on your own executives. At some point, they will need to face their advertisers and choose between you and them.

    Goodnight, Good Luck and Goodbye!

  299. this is why we need Hillary

    youtube.com/watch?v=vYJqSWLCB60

    we can’t afford 4 more years of the Bush/Cheney policies and we definitely cant afford a day dreamer light BHO and his choice of advisors like Rezko and Wright

  300. Obama and the Race Card

    Is it just us, or does Barack Obama seem a mite too quick to play the race card when facing criticism from political opponents?

    In recent days, the Obama camp has been demanding an apology from Geraldine Ferraro, the former Vice Presidential candidate and current Hillary Clinton supporter who last week let slip that, “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

    Though Ms. Ferraro resigned from the Clinton campaign yesterday, her remarks reveal little more than a firm grasp of the obvious, even if she could have found a less artless way to express herself. There is no disputing that Mr. Obama’s skin color has been a political boon for him to date. And the suggestion that saying so aloud betrays racial animus implies that only the Illinois Senator can discuss the issue of race in regard to his candidacy.

    Back in January, the Obama campaign was on similarly shaky ground when it accused Mrs. Clinton of belittling Martin Luther King Jr. by stating that “it took a President” to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Mrs. Clinton was stating a fact, not slighting King, and the context in which she uttered the statement made that perfectly clear.

    We’re not suggesting that the Obama campaign has never been justified in crying foul over racially tinged remarks out of the Clinton camp. When Bill Clinton gratuitously invoked Jesse Jackson after Mr. Obama won the South Carolina primary, he was clearly trying to define the Senator’s victory in narrowly racial terms.

    But for all of Mr. Obama’s soaring rhetoric about the nation’s need for a post-racial politics that “brings the American people together,” his campaign at times has seemed overly sensitive about race. It also seems to want it both ways. Mr. Obama claims that his brand of politics transcends race, but at the same time he’s using race as a shield to shut down important and legitimate arguments.

    Already, prominent Obama sympathizers, such as Harvard’s Orlando Patterson, are detecting racial overtones where none exist. In a New York Times op-ed this week, Mr. Patterson said a Clinton political ad designed to question Mr. Obama’s readiness as Commander in Chief contained a “racist sub-message” because none of the people depicted in the TV spot are black. Counting people of color in an ad about national security is hardly consistent with the Obama theme that “race doesn’t matter.”

    We suppose some of the current back and forth is due to the diversity preoccupations of Democrats. But it bodes ill for an honest fall campaign if Mr. Obama and his allies are going to play the race card to blunt any criticism. A campaign in which John McCain couldn’t question Mr. Obama’s policies, experience and mettle without being called a racist is not what the country needs. Or wants.

    Democrats have repeatedly touted the diversity of their party’s White House hopefuls. And it is true that a Clinton or Obama Presidency would make gender or racial history. Americans of all backgrounds can take satisfaction in watching the country field its first black Presidential candidate with a chance to win. But voters also want their would-be Presidents properly vetted, by the media and by each other. To that end Mr. Obama would do better to focus more on answering his political critics with specifics and less on questioning their motives by crying wolf on race.

    online.wsj.com/article/SB120536677319031953.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  301. Sherm: that wsj author has a firm grasp of the obvious too. But he is whistling Dixie if he thinks this will stop if Obama god forbid becomes the nominee, and or the president. When people ask whether Barry will grow out, I answer their question with one of my own: does a cat bark?

  302. wbboei, there is no doubt in my mind you are right. I’m sure this kind of article is part of the preparation for the GE, just in case BHO is the nominee. What a mess the politics of this country has become!

  303. New rules for folks that support a presidential candidate

    Please do not say, “as far as I know” about anything,
    you’ll be called racist,

    Please do not state obvious outcomes of political campaigns like “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in 84 and 88”,
    you’ll be called racist,

    Please do not point out or compare 200 years of white male presidents against the historical signifigance and fascination of a black man running for the top job;
    you will be called a racist.

    Do not comment on how it took both MLK and LBJ to get civil rights made into law,
    you will be called racist

    Do not challenge the GOP for running the House of Reps like a plantation because they stifle debate,
    you will be called a racist

    Don’t mention the middle name of your opponent in a presidential contest;
    you’ll be called a racist

    Don’t have just one AA baby in your commercials about a 3 am call for national security,
    you’ll be called racist

    Don’t quote the author of a book where he reveals he used drugs as a teenager,
    you’ll be called racist

    Don’t mention that your opponents’ father and grandmother were both Muslim even if they were,
    you’ll be called racist

    Don’t say you didn’t share a photo of your opponent in ethnic garb, they won’t believe you and, you’ll be called a racist

    Accept that you’re the hoodwinker the bamboozler and the okie doker, even if you don’t know what they mean, and have never discriminated against anyone, and even if you have stood on the front lines fighting for civil rights, human rights, equality and fairness all of your life.

    This should be easy right?

  304. That video of Wright widely promulgated will destroy BO’s chances in the GE. I think SDs will get that. As more of these videos come out, he’s done. It is this stuff – more than Rezko, more than hypocritical voting patterns (frankly population is used to that sort of behavior from politicians) that will turn the electorate off.

  305. Good morning all

    It looks like the Dems in Florida have another idea…
    vote by mail but with 50 statewide offices set up to help those who need it.

    Don’t know where this is going to go, but with Obama not wanting any revote, and his State Campaign Co-Chair, State Rep. Kathy Castor not wanting a revote, and some big dogs in the legislature in Bamboozler’s pocket and time running out…I don’t know that this will fly either.

    I was interested to hear tis morning on FOX Radio news the morning host incredulous because the Texas Caucus vote is for Barack but Hillary won the primary. He said that was the most un-democratic thisng he had ever seen!

  306. Debbie, thanks for spelling out all of those rules in one place that way. That’s important to me. My parents were very firm in teaching me, in their own words, to avoid racism during a time when Louisiana was very racist. I wouldn’t want to forget all of that. Just don’t sneak any more new ones in on me. I don’t like being surprised.

    I hope what I wrote here isn’t racist.

  307. No matter what their subject, the WSJ editors just can’t resist making a gratuitous (and mistaken) slam at Bill Clinton.

  308. I agree Plural. I think the media in general twists any story around to slam Hillary or Bill. i.e. spitzer story,

  309. I wonder if the governor who resigned was a Republican from Texas, say, or Florida, would this story be all over the front pages?

  310. “The idea would be to mail ballots to all registered Democrats and set up 50 regional offices to help “disadvantaged communities” participate in an election ending June 3″

    code words for AA? Or are they talking about all the Native Americans down by Lake Okeechobee

    Disadvantaged how?

  311. SPACEGIRL…

    Who are these Nine Congressman .. I can’t find a list .. we should be sending this info out to every newspaper in Florida .. Let the people know that their own congressmen don’t want their vote to count

  312. http : / / directory.usayfoundation.org/FL.html

    Why would the congressman vote against a revote? Have all of these people pledged to Obama

  313. I watched that video, and Rev. Wright seems to be suffering some gender confusion — he apparently thinks Hillary is a white man.

  314. Once agagin plural, I agree with what you said. As Rev. Wright was speaking I thought….hmmmm that has happened to women too.

  315. Dot…I dunno who they are. Was just trying to find that in Saint Pete Times. Maybe the print edition will have it so I can find it. I have too get to work but I will look.

  316. What strange bedfellows politics make. Who knew the man who forsaw Hillary’s run and once called her a “radical feminist” would now be her most consistant defender. I can’t believe Buchanon got so upset last night he told someone to shut up. LOL.

  317. Dot,

    Your link to the article all 9 Florida Congressmen reject Florida revote is horrifying.

    I hate to say it, but it looks like the powers that be are not going to support seating thier own constituencies in favor of facilitating the BO
    shoo-in. Guess the DNC got to them. I’m disgusted and depressed.

    Spacegirl,
    here’s my addy. hilaryhawke@mhcable.com. Sent it last night but guess it didn’t go through.

  318. I have been following the REZKO trial on the Chicago Tribune web site and find it very interesting that Barack (Xerox)Obama has his own court reporter there each day in order to get a leg up on what he has to remember and what he has to forget.IL state law allows their political hacks to order their paper trail destroyed when they leave office.How convenient.When news people.looked into these matters,all they could find was an empty file cabinet.The two-bit bootlegger,was a purse snatcher compared to this REZKO operation.No wonder BZO dashes back to IL so often.He does not have Hillary around to ZEROX.He will and is becoming,cofused,stuttering,blinking,scouling and very repetative of words and rhetoric phrases.He has become a human paper shredder.All mouth and no TRAIL.PA will empty his trash can.

    Go Hillary by ABM90

  319. Dot, all,
    If BO is bypassing PA., maybe it’s because he KNOWS Florida and Michigan will NOT be seated after the report that all 9 Fl. congressmen won’t support a revote and he feels like it’s not necessary to embarrass himself in Pa.
    This is outrageous!
    Where on HRC’s site does it say he will concede Pa. to her?
    Wright on Fox; check this quote.
    “Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”
    this is obscene. 🙁

  320. Gerry Ferraro’s account of what the BO campaign made out of an apparently off-hand remark is certainly revealing. It was part of an answer to a question following a speech, and she doesn’t even know what her exact words were — she has to take the word of the people who are quoting her.

    So someone was there and reported some version of her remarks, and the BO campaign ran with it to the media to made an attack on her, claiming she is racist.

    And KO says it’s the Clinton campaign who’s playing dirty?

    (I still haven’t figured out what the dirty campaign tactics are supposed to be.)

  321. I think that we should start a petition and circulate it everywhere that HRC supporters feel so disenfranchised by the DNC that we pledge to vote for anyone but BO should he become the nominee.

    🙁

    As usual, only Fox is showing the Wright video.

  322. Spacegirl,

    Got it. thanks. I’m gonna donate $25.44 and when i finish morning stuff i will read through the script.

    Is it just me or doesn’t it seem like the height of arrogance for BO to ‘concede” Pa? In other words, Pa isn’t worth his effort? (and where is that remark on HRC’s site?)

  323. I never thought of myself as a racist but this latest bru-ha-ha is turning me into one. However, it is not color that I despise, it is attitude. I am totally disgusted with the Obama campaign and all the pundits who can’t see what is really happening.

  324. Just a thought:

    Doya think the Bo attack of Geraldine Ferrara was a preemptive diversionary tactic because they knew the Wright video was surfacing and they wanted to deflect attention?????

    Just donated another $25.44.

  325. stop-obama.org paints a scary picture of going forward. He’s trying to break Hillary’s coalition among non-white, non-african american, so don’t fall for it. Be careful what you say. Hillary’s support among non-white americans is crucial to her success. Dont let him steal that from her.

  326. I don’t believe BO is conceding PA. He can’t afford to do so.

    If FL and MI do not have a re-vote, then the GE is lost. It seems like, the DNC will give up the GE, just to keep Hillary from winning. If those FL congressman are blocking a re-vote, make sure their counties are aware, so they can be voted out, in the next election. It stiil boggles my mind, how corrupt this election is; even more, than the 2000 election.

  327. mj,
    Your voice on this board is much appreciated. With all the bigots on here recently railing on about black churches and african americans rioting I’m tempted to stop coming here completely. It would be one thing to bash Obama and his tactics in this campaign, but the tone towards African Americans in general by some posters here has just gotten out of hand. Anyway you keep up the good work.

  328. Hi guys.

    Just curious: did Bambi ever comment on the FARC connection? Have ANY reporters asked him about this at all??

  329. This is what the article about FL says:

    “Florida’s nine Democratic congressmen voted Tuesday night to oppose a mail-in vote.”

    Only a mail-in was at issue, apparently. There’s no indication of their position on counting the votes as already cast, or having a new primary.

  330. A Wall Street Journal editorial on Obama playing the race card:

    online.wsj.com/article_print/SB120536677319031953.html

    Obama and the Race Card

    March 13, 2008; Page A18

    Is it just us, or does Barack Obama seem a mite too quick to play the race card when facing criticism from political opponents?

    In recent days, the Obama camp has been demanding an apology from Geraldine Ferraro, the former Vice Presidential candidate and current Hillary Clinton supporter who last week let slip that, “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

    Though Ms. Ferraro resigned from the Clinton campaign yesterday, her remarks reveal little more than a firm grasp of the obvious, even if she could have found a less artless way to express herself. There is no disputing that Mr. Obama’s skin color has been a political boon for him to date. And the suggestion that saying so aloud betrays racial animus implies that only the Illinois Senator can discuss the issue of race in regard to his candidacy.

    Back in January, the Obama campaign was on similarly shaky ground when it accused Mrs. Clinton of belittling Martin Luther King Jr. by stating that “it took a President” to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Mrs. Clinton was stating a fact, not slighting King, and the context in which she uttered the statement made that perfectly clear.

    We’re not suggesting that the Obama campaign has never been justified in crying foul over racially tinged remarks out of the Clinton camp. When Bill Clinton gratuitously invoked Jesse Jackson after Mr. Obama won the South Carolina primary, he was clearly trying to define the Senator’s victory in narrowly racial terms.

    But for all of Mr. Obama’s soaring rhetoric about the nation’s need for a post-racial politics that “brings the American people together,” his campaign at times has seemed overly sensitive about race. It also seems to want it both ways. Mr. Obama claims that his brand of politics transcends race, but at the same time he’s using race as a shield to shut down important and legitimate arguments.

  331. A great WSJ opinion column also on Obama playing the race card:

    online.wsj.com/article_print/SB120536820611932015.html

    Obama on Offense
    By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ
    March 13, 2008

    It came as a relief to hear, in the last few days, that both Democratic candidates were now about to go on the attack, though pundits agreed such low tactics had been forced on Barack Obama. There’s something reassuring about the usual election season blather over negative campaigning. That relief is a response, mostly, to any whiff of normality promising to emerge in the current Democratic race.

    Still, the prospects are thin, given the rapturous response Mr. Obama has enjoyed at the hands of a good part of the press — attitudes so obvious that the usual stern media denials that their coverage was other than objective have been hard to find. Anyone who doubts this bias has only to look at the past week’s charges that Hillary Clinton and company have been playing the race card — the latest in a series of such accusations made by Obama surrogates, carried forward by the media.

    Of those offenses, the most memorable, perhaps, concerned Bill Clinton’s challenge to the record Sen. Obama claimed regarding his long opposition to the Iraq war, which Mr. Clinton called “a fairy tale.” In short order, word was put out that the former president had insulted black Americans and their high hopes for this election, by use of this disparaging term, “fairy tale.” Mr. Clinton, some charged, had denigrated Mr. Obama’s entire candidacy as a fantasy.

    There was, too, the Martin Luther King/Lyndon Johnson saga. Here Hillary Clinton’s incontestably accurate comment — that it had taken the action of a president, Lyndon Johnson, to pass the Civil Rights Act, and thus bring to fruition the goal to which Dr. King had devoted his life — ignited storms of outrage, furious commentaries on how Sen. Clinton had played a sly race card, diminishing Dr. King’s importance in comparison to that of the white president.

    In all, the pattern of these charges may well suggest a race card in play, only it wasn’t the Clintons who were playing it.

  332. Nikki:
    Your voice on this board is much appreciated. With all the bigots on here recently railing on about black churches and african americans rioting I’m tempted to stop coming here completely.

    Exactly! Now please, folks, knock it off. Think about what you say, unless your intent is to hurt Hillary.

  333. With all the bigots on here recently railing on about black churches and african americans rioting I’m tempted to stop coming here completely.

    I missed these posts, obviously , but what exactly is “biggoted” about them? Were posters railing about all black churches, or just Jeremiah Wrights church, or HIS philosophies in particular?

  334. I just watched the Wright video, and I must say, I am dismayed by it. I believe, this type of sermon or speech does not belong in a church setting. Maybe, I’m wrong, but I didn’t like it. There was so much hatred towards Hillary. No, she doesn’t know, what it is like to be poor and black, but she knows how it feels to have one’s people dismiss her, and to be treated with vitrolic hatred. Why does there have to be so much hatred out there? It saddens me.

  335. nikki22, don’t stop coming here. Most of us understand the pride AAs feel in Obama’s candidacy. A few of us are getting carried away by their emotions. I have consistently said that our focus should be on Obama and not on people who vote for Obama.

  336. Guys what do you think
    KO has about 500 thousand viewers per day…NBC Nightly news has about 9 mil…Fox has aboyt 2 mil in the evening…GMA has about 3-4 mil viewers(?) not sure….but here is the point GF was on NBC Nightly, Fox , GMA, and CBS and ABC. She got her point out to a very wide audience. I think, in the long run, she really took it to BHO. She planted a seed about his race card. She named Bill, Ed Rendell, and someone else and of course herself, as all being labeled racists. Its out there now and I don’t think he can go there anymore. As a Black person, its hard for me to get a good read on what is being said behind close doors ( by whites) what are you hearing

  337. Thanks TPS for those two articles. I wonder if the Obama campaign will insist that the Wall Street Journal close up shop now because they pulled the race card on him.;)

    nikki22,

    I hope you keep posting and I apologize if it was anything I posted. I tried to keep my comments last night to one church and one religious speaker. In no way was I generalizing or assuming that this was true of all churches.

  338. SpaceArtGirl said: I was interested to hear tis morning on FOX Radio news the morning host incredulous because the Texas Caucus vote is for Barack but Hillary won the primary. He said that was the most un-democratic thisng he had ever seen!

    If you have a contact for him, tell him the WA primary came out a tie but the WA caucus was won 30-something percent by Obama. I’ve got an article about that somewhere from a local WA reporter.

  339. Most of us understand the pride AAs feel in Obama’s candidacy. A few of us are getting carried away by their emotions. I have consistently said that our focus should be on Obama and not on people who vote for Obama.

    TPS, with all due respect, that’s just ridiculous. Demographics are a part of political discussions. That’s just how it goes. There isn’t a damned thing racist or biggotted about saying that many AA’s will vote for Obama simply because he’s black. It’s a fact, just as it’s a fact that many HRC supporters will vote for her simply because she’s a woman. Now, it’s perfectly acceptible to suggest the latter. No one bats an eye at that. But anyone who suggests the former is a racist? Bullshit. People can be offended by the truth all they like, but it doesn’t make it any less true.

    And, for the record , as a woman of color , I don’t think Geraldine Ferraro had a damned thing to apologize for. Obama wouldn’t be where he is today if he weren’t a man of color, and if other people of color didn’t choice to support him based on the fact that they feel pride in the idea of the first (partially) black president.

    When a poster here comes out and calls him a nigger, then I’ll take them to task. But rail against someone simply for speaking the truth, or daring to voice an opinion that might fall into some murky grey area of political correctness? Not me. That’s a brand of foolishness I can’t subscribe to.

  340. How is a new party formed? I’m dropping membership in present Democratic party.
    I’d like to be a member of something called maybe “Clinton Democrats”

  341. Idunn, I was speaking about the comment AA churches. Also, I totally agree with you about identity politics on all sides in this election, but voting on identity is completely normal in politics and it’s not just african american supporters of Obama. Latinos ironically didnt identify with Richardson enough to shake their support of Hillary, however when Leiberman ran he was largely supported by the Jewish community, and Dukakis by the Greek community, Romney by mormons, etc..

  342. Barry’s 20 year association with this race baiting minister coupled with his 17 year association with the grandaddy of Chicago political fixers coupled with his friendship with leading figures from the weather underground raise profound doubts about his presumed qualifications to be president. . . . .

    Lest we forget, Barry is the one who told us that he is “not an operating officer” and would hire others to run the country. In the process he asks us to accept the fact that he has sound judment about people.

    The mistakes he has made in the context of the campaign (Powers, McPeak and the Goul) are one thing. But these long term associations are even worse. No amount of temporizing, minimizing, distancing, qualifying, and changing the subject can change that.

    On a lighter note imagine what a Barry Administration would look like. Would Wright be elevated to Chaplain of the Senate so everyone could partake of his wisdom-even the white devils who invented AIDS? Would Rezco be made head of the IRS consistent with Holmes observation that if you want to know what the law is dont ask a judge ask a thief. Would JJ III and Big Al be sent on goodwill missions to countries that do not exist? Would Larry Tribe who has been sucking up to Barry get a seat on the Supreme Court Before The Parade Passes By? In Barrys World anything is possible.

  343. Why does the Democratic party support Obama? I want out. I want a new party. I am a Cliinton Democrat.

  344. I’ve got to be honest, anything that hurts Obambi is fair game in my opinion. 😉

    I don’t think personal feelings should come into play. This is politics people. I think you guys and girls should what HBO’s The Wire for a taste of what *is really out there*.

  345. nikki, mj,
    Here is an example of what non-AA’s consider a ‘double standard’ when applied to HRC.
    Wright can make these obscene remarks, inciting his parishioners into a frenzy of anti-Clinton hysteria, despite the fact that by blatantly supporting Bo he is violating the law against churches supporting a political candidate, and no one except FOX calls him out on it whereas Ferrara is raked over the coals and thrown under the bus.
    Judge for yourself. This is one of the remarks Wright made. Check the video for the rest.

    “Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.” The congregation cheered and whistled and applauded and displayed their overwhelming approval of his remarks.
    🙁

  346. wbboei Says:
    March 13th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Barry’s 20 year association with this race baiting minister coupled with his 17 year association with the grandaddy of Chicago political fixers coupled with his friendship with leading figures from the weather underground raise profound doubts about his presumed qualifications to be president. . . . .

    Lest we forget, Barry is the one who told us that he is “not an operating officer” and would hire others to run the country. In the process he asks us to accept the fact that he has sound judment about people.
    [ cut for length ]

    wbboei,

    What a fanatastic post! I want to link to it from taylormarsh.com Hot Topics and elsewhere. It should be a ‘diary’ somewhere. May I repost it?

    1950democrat /at/ gmail.com

  347. basil, two things. African american churches have historically been involved at some level in politics. This has helped Democrats in the past. For example, Bill Clinton held a phone conference with about 300 aa clergy in 2004 to convince them not drop Kerry over civil unions. Second, yes, what Wright said was disgusting and wrong, but not every african american clergy is saying that on the pulpit. Again, no need to paint everyone with the same broad stroke.

  348. kaffeen: I don’t think personal feelings should come into play. This is politics people. I think you guys and girls should what HBO’s The Wire for a taste of what *is really out there*.

    Yabbut … a man’s gotta have a code.

  349. but voting on identity is completely normal in politics and it’s not just african american supporters of Obama.

    That’s another point I meant to make. I think the white people who are voting for Obama are also, in large part, voting for Obama because he’s black. I think, overall , people are so in need of the racial divide to end, that they truly see an Obama presidency as a means towards that end. That’s just more “hopium” in my opinion. We can’t end racial divisions just by leveling the playing field…because that isn’t where racial tensions come from. They come from the fact that we don’t truly understand one another and our experiences within our racial backgrounds and cultures. We’re afraid to point out our differences and discuss them openly because (shudder) someone might get offended. So…we don’t talk. Until we can have honest conversations about these things, there will ALWAYS be racial divisions. That’s a fact.

  350. Idunn, basil9, Jeremiah Wright’s remarks are racist, no doubt in my mind. Racism from all quarters should be condemned. I strongly believe (see the two WSJ articles I posted above) that the Obama has bene consistently playing the race card. I am as outraged by that as you.

    Polls consistently indicate that AAs are equally favorable towards Hillary and Obama even though they are voting for Obama in the primaries. From Today’s Chicago Tribune:

    “In a national poll taken by Pew Research in late February, white Democrats said they were more likely to defect to presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain of Arizona if Obama is the Democratic nominee than if Clinton is.

    In the poll, 10 percent of white Democrats said they would cross party lines and support McCain if Clinton is the nominee. But twice as many — 20 percent — said they would back McCain if Obama is nominated. White Democrats without a college degree were even more likely to defect if Obama is nominated: 24 percent said so.

    African-American Democrats said they were not likely to defect regardless of the nominee. Under either scenario, only 1 percent of black Democrats said they would support McCain.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-race_13mar13,0,4010346,print.story

    Note the last sentence “African-American Democrats said they were not likely to defect regardless of the nominee. Under either scenario, only 1 percent of black Democrats said they would support McCain.” AAs are very loyal to the Democratic party. (Please read the whole Tribune article. It is very instructive.)

    My point is that we are making a mistake by attributing the comments of the Obama campiagn, his surrogates and his online supporters to the overall AA community. The AA community likes Hillary Clinton.

  351. mj,
    I am not painting everyone with the same broad stroke. I am protesting the fact that HRC has to apologize for Ferrara whereas Wright is permitted to make such outrageous insulting comments and BO doesn’t denounce it. It is a double standard, especially when viewed in the light of the BO complaints of racism. If geraldine had to resign over her clumsy comments, which were fact-based, and BO doesn’t reject his pastor’s comments and no one takes him to task for it, that’s a double standard and it’s disgusting. Ferrara isn’t HRC’s so-called ‘spiritual adviser.’ Wright using sexual innuendo to say BD ‘did’ Lewinsky the same way he ‘did’ the AA community is another way of saying BC f***ed them. i am outraged by this as well as by BO’s association with Farrakhan.

  352. Mj,

    Okay.

    Spacegirl, all – i just read through the PA script and my question is doesn’t urging independents to re-register as Dems potentially help BO in his strategy of recruiting “Democrats for a Day?”

    Just wondering.

  353. re: non-white supporters of Clinton and Obama trying to break their coalition – I witnessed the support Clinton has in CA and TX from Asian Americans, from Latinos – it’s strong and loyalty runs deep. And I don’t think that Obama’s tactics of pulling out the race card at the drop of a hat will work. As an Asian American myself, my culture, Latino culture – are hardworking, results oriented cultures – we don’t cry racism like Obama’s campaign, play the race victim card and expect people to fawn over us.

    In fact, I think it’s backfiring on Obama – because those who are Asian, Latino don’t think the Clintons are racist – unless Obama’s trying to say that they’re only racist towards one race. Race and culture are sophisticated and complicated. It’s not as easy as saying Obama pulling the race card will influence all of us People of Color.

  354. basil, I would suggest that the need to register independents is a counter to the “democrats for a day”. Tit for tat. We didn’t start it, they did.

  355. Idunn, Bsil9 and others:

    What Jeremiah Wright espouses is racist. Racism from anyone should be condemned. Obama campaign has consistently played the race card (see the two WSJ articles I posted above). We are making a mistake, however, by attributing and generalizing the comments and actions of Obama, his surrogates, and his online supporters to the greater AA community at large. AAs are very loyal to the Democratic party and the like Hillary even though they are voting for Obama in the primaries. From today’s Chicago Tribune (read the whole article, it is quite instructive):

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-race_13mar13,0,4010346,print.story

    “In a national poll taken by Pew Research in late February, white Democrats said they were more likely to defect to presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain of Arizona if Obama is the Democratic nominee than if Clinton is.

    In the poll, 10 percent of white Democrats said they would cross party lines and support McCain if Clinton is the nominee. But twice as many — 20 percent — said they would back McCain if Obama is nominated. White Democrats without a college degree were even more likely to defect if Obama is nominated: 24 percent said so.

    African-American Democrats said they were not likely to defect regardless of the nominee. Under either scenario, only 1 percent of black Democrats said they would support McCain.”

    I want to draw your attention in particular to this finding from the Pew poll:

    “African-American Democrats said they were not likely to defect regardless of the nominee. Under either scenario, only 1 percent of black Democrats said they would support McCain.”

    There is no empirical evidence that AAs do not like Hillary or will not vote for her in the GE. The actions and comments of Obama and his supporters do not represent the views of AAs towards Hillary or the Democratic party.

  356. I agree with mj and nikki about the church generalization issue. Confining our comments to Jeremiah Wright’s inflammatory remarks is fine.

  357. TPS – I perused the Chicago Tribune article, and the mention of Gerry Ferraro, plus the statistics are pointing at one thing – that white defection from BO is really racism. I think this is generalization – did they ask whether they would switch to McCain because they feel BO is inexperienced, because they feel McCain is stronger on national security, etc –

    painting all people as racist even when they’re not and now using statistics to reflect a canard is the same as BO’s argument.

  358. Ann,

    Here’s a good simple story on the WA ‘disconnect’ between caucus and primary in the last several years.
    w w w .tri-cityherald.com/942/story/95454.html

    And several more here look useful:
    w w w .google.com/search?aq=f&complete=1&hl=en&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&q=WA+caucus+primary+initiative+embarrassment&as_qdr=m2&btnG=Search

    As for what happens when caucus packing actually wins the nomination … McGovern in 1972.

  359. lninla Says:

    March 13th, 2008 at 11:35 am
    TPS – I perused the Chicago Tribune article, and the mention of Gerry Ferraro, plus the statistics are pointing at one thing – that white defection from BO is really racism. I think this is generalization – did they ask whether they would switch to McCain because they feel BO is inexperienced, because they feel McCain is stronger on national security, etc –

    painting all people as racist even when they’re not and now using statistics to reflect a canard is the same as BO’s argument.

    Exactly. This is the new game plan re: BO/press. We have to watch out for this. stop-obama.org has an article on this today. The idea is to peel of white female liberals.

  360. When Kerry is on with interviewers, it is rather interesting that they do not ask him why he is not a super-delegate for Hillary considering the popular vote in his state was in favor of Hillary.

  361. Here is a ABC news story on Jeremiah Wright:

    abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

    By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
    March 13, 2008

    Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”

  362. Ininla, I agree that Tribune article’s premise about why whites are not voting for Obama is wrong. But, it still has interesting statistics.

  363. dot48 Says:

    March 13th, 2008 at 8:53 am
    http : / / directory.usayfoundation.org/FL.html

    Why would the congressman vote against a revote? Have all of these people pledged to Obama

    ***************************
    No, they are pushing that the delegates as is be seated.

  364. I have to admit I’ve never read Obambi’s autobiography and never will, but it is interesting that he appears to identify more with his father than with his mother. Does anyone know whether it was maternal or paternal family that raised him in Hawaii (of which, I doubt he had any of the problems Rev. Wright mentions about race in Hawaii)

  365. painting all people as racist even when they’re not and now using statistics to reflect a canard is the same as BO’s argument.

    Well, chances are we’ll never know the truth one way or the other, because we’re not “supposed” to talk about these things. I suspect that it’s partly racism, partly people just don’t trust Bambi. But, of course, NO-ONE is going to come out and say that they just don’t feel comfortable with a black man in charge. They might feel that way, but they wouldn’t dare to say so. My point though is that, NOT saying what they think doesn’t CHANGE the way they think. I say, drag shit out into the light and let’s really look at what we have.

  366. Idunn, my wife is a sociologist, some people are not even aware of their bigotry. It is finely ingrained in their psyche and manifests unconsciously at times.

  367. Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”

    Man…what kind of internal shit is this guy holding onto? LOL!

  368. TPS,
    WOW!
    Americans should sing God Damn America!

    “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”

    And HRC is pummeled for Ferraro’s remarks??????????

  369. Hi all, Just logged on and read upthread a bit. My conclusions, if anybody cares 🙂

    1)The hillary campaign, Hillary, Bill and you because you support her are being called racists.

    2) Ferraro has stood up to the race baiting.

    3) If even I, and I do, feel anger at being slimed as a racist, we are in deep water.

    4) I have never seen a campaign so divisive to the Amerian people as the Obama campaign, it is like the second coming of George Bush

    There was more but it got deleted by the Obamabots. Anyway, final word on this is get the hell outta here if you are goiong to call anyone on this board a racist. We are getting slimed bad and we don’t need that shit in here.

    This is where we rehash what is going on, give support, laugh and carry on.

    Ain’t No Racists Here, Nikki, ok??

    So you just toddle on along if you think so. Because I will be god damned if in here I am going to mince words about satan and his minions and their race-bating, pot stirring bullshit.

    Whew! i needed to get that off my chest. We are being bamboozled, folks. the race baiting is demoralizing and it hurts and it undermines us.

    5) I have to actively work now to keep my head on my shoulders and not just “go off” because I feel so unfairly attacked.

    6) This is not helpful to me, and the campaign.

    7) It is not healthy to take attacks and slurs without standing up and saying, NO!

    8) We have to stand together, encourage each other, laugh, and keep fighting with out strategies. Anyone who even thinks aboutg telling me or this list that they have experienced racism is OTTA here.

    9) We have to have one safe place to talk about the Obama campaign in complete honesty. But they are playing the race card and stirring up fear and hate and if we let it, will take a toll.

    10) I want to award Gerry a prize [or something] because I think she is right. They will not easily race bait one of Hillary’s people or Hillary again. or maybe they will–because it works for them.

    I say three cheers for Ferraro, Nikki, whoever you are, get the fuck outta here if you are going to call us racists. That is Obama talk. No one on this list is a racist. Obama’s pastor is a fucking nutjob who hates jews and whites. Obama has spent 20 years with this guy as his spiritual mentor. The nation is being torn apart by race and it coming from Obama and Wright.

    We have to stand together and stand firm. And we need to take it to them. they want to keep us off balance, fighting attacks, feeling demoralized. No WAy

    Kick en in the balls 🙂

  370. Would the men and women of color say that Michelle Obama is “angry”? I’m curious what you think about her and if she harbors any reverse racism or malcontent toward the white populace.

  371. Obama’s Spiritual Mentor: “Hillary Ain’t Never Been Called a N—–”

    March 13, 2008 9:39 AM

    On Good Morning America this a.m., Brian Ross took a look (watch HERE) at Obama’s pastor at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who retired last month.

    Wright in one 2003 sermon said of the treatment of African-Americans by the U.S., “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strikes law and then wants us to sing ‘God bless America,’ No, no, no, not ‘God bless America,’ God damn America — that’s in the Bible, you’re killing innocent people, God damn America for treating us citizens as less than human.”

    After 9/11, Wright said, “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagaski and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye…America’s chickens are coming home to roost.”

    “I don’t think that my church is actually particularly controversial,” Obama has said.

    In THIS CLIP which ran on Fox News last night, Wright talks about Obama being hated because he “doesn’t fit the model — he ain’t white, he ain’t rich, and he ain’t privileged.”

    Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, Wright says, fits the mold.

    “Hillary never had a cab whiz past her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong color,” Wright says. “Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over in her car as a black man driving in the wrong…I am sick of negroes who just do not get it. Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home, Barack was. Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a n—–.”

    When asked about these kinds of comments in the past, Obama spokesman Bill Burton has said that “Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they’re offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church.”

    Burton told Fox News that “Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees.”

    But is it true that Obama doesn’t think of Wright in political terms?

    Last December, Obama’s campaign issued a press release in which Wright was listed as a national leader of the Obama campaign’s “African American Religious Leadership Committee.”

    That’s pretty political.

    Should Obama denounce Wright’s language, his sentiments, and allow him to remain on his campaign committee? What do you think?

    – jpt

    March 13, 20

  372. Oooo, if he is our nominee they are gonna take him out so easy and will wait until close to election day…..october “surprise”, even though we here in Hillaryland know about it already, the public at large does not.

  373. Kaffeen, is the Pope Catholic?

    Yes, she has resentment. She has been upfront about it.

    I don’t understand why the church they attend and the pastor they think so much of is not enough evidence of hatred of whites. You don’t go and listen to sermons about white devils, etc. lf it doesn’t feel good. Do you? I mean do you?

    I think the inability of people to say this is wrong, this is divisive, this is racism, this is NOT OK is a sickness.

  374. Linfar,
    ‘It is not healthy to take attacks and slurs without standing up and saying, NO!”

    I agree. They are trying to censor us and i for one will not cave, ever. i will speak the truth, my truth, and screw this politically correct BS.

  375. Did anyone post the other video of Rev. Wright here? The one where he talks about Bill and Monica and ridin’ dirty? I need to go to my church after watching that.

    Idunn – a round of Holy Water for the board!

  376. Linfar, so, if you are of color and feel Michelle harbors resentment, does this not mean that Obama is circling himself with angry people. Potentially, the two people who have most influence with him, his pastor and his wife, feel very strongly about race. Is this good?

  377. basil9, yeah. music. lol

    I did get carried away, didn’t I?

    But when I read over the posts, it kinda shook me up. We are on the defensive. And that is what they want

  378. We need some kind of petition from FL/MI dems saying to Obama essentially: “If you don’t support do over, we will not vote for you should you become nominee”

  379. This is the funniest part of the Jake and ABC articles -“I don’t think that my church is actually particularly controversial,” Obama has said.’

    And doesn’t Obama play the same game every time something comes up – my Rezko relationship, no big deal. Tenants in my district freezing in Rezko slum buildings – I don’t remember that, no big deal. My IL senate records lost – didn’t have a secretary, no big deal.

    Did you see all the Rezko article links as “Related News” on the ABC page?

  380. Nikki2, I sort of disagree with you. There are many people who contribute to this board and just a small handful of people who say things that go up against the racial lines or stray over them. If you go to an Obama site, you will see far worse trust me.

    The stakes are high and many are frustrated. I’m sorry, I saw that video and I was repulsed. Spin however you want but Rev. Jeremiah Wright was spewing hate and trafficing in demogogery.

    I’m a religious person and the Bible does say, ‘speak no ill of God’s annointed’ however, it also said to be a light and go forth and spread the Gospel. He was inciting his congregants to summon emotions of hate against white people plain and simple.

    I can see this issue from all sides and a spade is a spade. It hits close to home but facts cannot get in the way of the truth. Rev. Jeremiah Wright as many in the media and BO himself has subjugated Hillary’s birth into this world as a female…something that she had no part in.

    He failed to see how being a woman in off itself has it’s own challenges and that is why women were last to get the right to vote. He could have taken that moment to uplift his congregants by telling them not to give up on their dreams and that they could be anything that they strive for DESPITE being a woman or a man.

    He derailed White AMerica and what was one of the most offensive things to me is that he used the imagery and tangible of Jesus and equated him to a mere man….a man with many faults.

    I was deeply disappointed and will go so far as to say that Rev. Wright’s comments were racist and I make no apologies for my sentiments.

    Having said that, I put it in the context of BO’s hypocrisy. He and his campaign have been quick to paint the Clinton campaign rightly or wrongly as racists. While sometimes, her surrogates crossed the line, I failed to see what anyone said whether it be Billy Shaheen, Bill Clinton or Ferraro as being racial. They may have been offensive or uncomfortable but never racists.

    he claims to represent the politics of new but he really epitomizes the emperor who had no clothes.

  381. some people are not even aware of their bigotry. It is finely ingrained in their psyche and manifests unconsciously at times.

    I think what some people call “bigotry” is really nothing more than feeling like an outsider wrt a certain race or culture. We ALL have cultures and norms we are brought up with, that’s part of our experience. You can’t just wave a wand and make that go away. When I see body morphing being practiced in other cultures, my gut reaction is “Whoa! That’s fucked up, yo?” Does that make me a bigot? It isn’t something I grew up with, it isn’t part of my life experience…it’s just something I just don’t understand. Should I lie and say I think it’s a beautiful thing, just because I don’t want to offend anyone? Look, white people can’t dance. I’ve seen them try…they suck. Dancing isn’t part of their cultural experience through the ages (waltzes don’t count!). Am I bigot if I ask you, as a white man, to tell me why the hell ya’ll can’t dance?

    I’m just saying…until we can talk openly about our differences, and ask questions of each other…how the hell are we EVER supposed to understand one another?

  382. Reverends Wright’s Comments/ The video, might be something good to pass on to media, maybe using the list…

  383. Kaffen, BO was raised by his maternal grand parents and mother in Hawaii. He attended a private school. His father was a Kenyan student and not an immigrant. He is an opportunist SOB who has created this fantasy persona of himself that the Obambots propagate.

  384. If history is any guide, AA are much more loyal to the Democratic party than are the centrist dems who will likely desert if BO is the nominee – forget Reagan Democrats – McCain democrats will be the new demo.

  385. kaffeen,

    Michelle is like a ticking time bomb who is gonna go off at some point. Wright cannot be shutup. Obama is the second coming of George Bush.

    The nation is being savaged by attacks of racism against some of the best and most committed civil rights advocates.

    this country cannot take an Obama Presidency. But he is whipping it up so that if he loses or if people try to negotiate to nominate Hillary, they are threatening riots and race war.

    I have never seen anything like it. And the liberals in the democratic party just don’t seem to see it happening.

  386. Idunn, I think you are right about open discussion. I think some feel this is not the place to do that. I can understand that point of view. I can also understand yours too. I think as long as we are considerate of each other, we will be fine.

  387. If Obama follows his usual tap dancing pattern, he will wait until he is pushed into a corner before saying anything negative about Jeremiah Wright.

    He needs to come right out and denounce this man once and for all. He needs to find another church to belong to asap.

    I wonder if the Clinton campaign will say anything or stay silent based on possibly being accused of being racists again.

    This is getting to be pretty ridiculous. And no I am not saying this about all AA churches…just the one.

  388. Tiny,

    HEHS posted this. It’s not the clip I saw on Fox this morning but there is some inflammatory stuff on it.

  389. Idunn,

    I can dance. I can too.

    Dammit. Idunn, you stop that now.

    Lin dancing, dancing, dancing. Whoohoo.

  390. rigso is right (pun intended) – we have to get that Jeremiah Wright video out to all publications and media. If this doesn’t generate as much as heat as Ferraro by the MSM, we have to get this OUT.

  391. JanH, the campaign will not be mentioning Wright. That is for the media. The race card has been played (and yes, I do think *both* campaigns are involved to some extent). Now that race is becoming part of the dialogue, it will only be natural for this to extend to Rev. Wright (and be introduced by the media).

  392. Nikki, whoever you are, get the fuck outta here if you are going to call us racists.

    Linfar, I love ya…but you have to realize that shit cuts both ways when it comes to honesty. Nikki has as much right to express her honest feelings as you do. Instead of everyone being so caught up in the power of words, maybe just take a step back from the emotion certain words create in us, and try to understand WHY certain posters might say and feel certain things. Personally, I resist the urge to shoot back in anger, and instead ask questions. Sometimes I’m so angry I don’t even care about the answers, just find that if I slip into question mode, I’m less confrontational. The upside of doing that though, is that I do get answers…and I’m often incredibly surprised by them.

    Just food for though. 🙂

  393. “The nation is being savaged by attacks of racism against some of the best and most committed civil rights advocates.”

    Yes, this is what makes me really really angry.

  394. Look I certainly do not think Nikki, or I, were referring to every comment on the board. But I think saying all these AA churches don’t preach the gospel of Jesus goes too far. I understand and feel the same frustration that Hillary is getting more african american votes, but to say that aa’s voting for Obama is racist goes too far. Idunn had it right. It’s identity voting, but it’s not being a racist. So I don’t think Nikki or I were referring to every comment, just the ones that go too far. Clearly, what Wright preaches is divisive and I think immoral. I don’t think Nikki or I were rejecting comments such as those.

  395. WOW! I was just reading a couple of postings from another board that I frequent, and there were comments stating, “Keith Olbermann’s response was sheer brillance.”

    “I’ve come to the understanding that if Obama does not get the dem nomination, the democrats will lose the 2008 election, period.

    HRC will not pull independents, nor the black vote. I have family members who grew up during the civil rights era of the 60/70s and will not vote if she gets the nomination. This is big deal, considering voting amongst older African-Americans is taken very seriously.

    HRC and Clintons have completely lost the black the community as a majority. I do not recall any democratic presidents being elected without a large percentage of the AA vote. I’m sure HRC’s team think they can win it with the latino vote though.

    Keith Olbermann’s response was sheer brillance

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qXBXD2zizIY
    If she gets the nominations through “backroom” dealings for superdelegates, that would hurt party along with having re-elections in Florida and MI.

    “Wow, that was a great segment from Keith Olbermann. He really laid it out there. Thanks for posting it ”

    “Keith was really passionate. Which makes me ask,’why is this race still going on? Why can’t democrats make up their mind quickly at this point’???”

  396. JanH – I think it’s important that people know that Obama’s been connected to this church for 20 years, that his campaign has listed Wright as one of the most influential black pastors in the U.S., that he considered Wright his spiritual advisor – everyone needs to see these ties, or else, a quick dissociation and denouncement by BO could mean we lose this news cycle on this controversy.

  397. Kaffeen,

    One of Obama’s big selling points to the latte liberals is that he was raised in HI and Indonesia, and when he came back to HI at age 10 or so he went to a fancy private school where race wasn’t an issue. So his background is supposed to be fresh, above/outside the mainland US racial history.

    See w w w .washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/06/AR2007020600075.html

    and other stories here:
    w w w .google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=obama’s+school+in+Hawaii&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

  398. Idunn,

    I did sorta lose it when I logged on and read for awhile before posting. And I couldn’t agree more about asking questions and being free to get things out in the open. but I draw the line at beingattacked In Here. This is kinda important sacrfed space for me in a serious way. Out there–which is about everywhere else I am on the defensive almost allthe time. No one around me support Hillary. so IK am nice and polite and considerate and I answer their maddening questions and assaults until I want to scream. So here is where I feel safe to just bve me. To let her rip a bit. So I really don’t wann be called a racist in here. Because that is shit that is getting whipped up outside. And this is where I come to vent and gedt over it.

  399. Idunn,

    I can dance. I can too.

    yes you can dance. But you can’t dance well. 😉

    Makes me think of that Dave Chappelle skit where he and John Mayer go around to different groups to find out what kind of music moves different people to dance. LOL!

  400. mj I know which comment you were referring too and I was offended by it too. You just had the balls to say something about it and I didn’t. Thanks

    I appreciate nikki22 and I want her to stay. In fact I wish she would comment more. Stay Nikki! 🙂

  401. WoW. Some responses from another board that I frequent:

    “I’ve come to the understanding that if Obama does not get the dem nomination, the democrats will lose the 2008 election, period.

    HRC will not pull independents, nor the black vote. I have family members who grew up during the civil rights era of the 60/70s and will not vote if she gets the nomination. This is big deal, considering voting amongst older African-Americans is taken very seriously.

    HRC and Clintons have completely lost the black the community as a majority. I do not recall any democratic presidents being elected without a large percentage of the AA vote. I’m sure HRC’s team think they can win it with the latino vote though.

    Keith Olbermann’s response was sheer brillance”

    “If she gets the nominations through “backroom” dealings for superdelegates, that would hurt party along with having re-elections in Florida and MI.”

    “Wow, that was a great segment from Keith Olbermann. He really laid it out there. Thanks for posting it ”

    “Keith was really passionate. Which makes me ask,’why is this race still going on? Why can’t democrats make up their mind quickly at this point’???”

    I was very amazed by these comments. So people don’t want a re-vote.

  402. mj: I am troubled by what you say but hardpressed to deny it. One 19th Century historian claimed that the full sweep of history could be explained in one simple sentence: love of the in group and hatred of the out group. Even the Magna Carta-the wellspring of common law and the source of our liberty had to be written in parts comprised of language of Ango Saxon tribes in order to pass muster. Yes, I realize the seductive pull of identity politics.

    In an ideal world people would take the time to study the issues and the candidates and make up their own minds who to vote for. In that case Hillary wins. But I also know that many voters indeed most do not function that manner because as the Obama figure said in the SNL skit: its harrrdddd. Therefore I must say that in that instance I am prepared to embrace identity politics as a shortcut to the decision that is best for them which is to support Hillary. In that case no one gets bamboozled.

    When all is said and done, there is no higher priority for our country than making Hillary 44.

  403. My personal opinion is that to think in some capacity, no matter how visible, that both campaigns have not been involved in playing the race card at one point or another is a bit naive. This is just my opinion and it may be wrong.

  404. linfar, Idon’t think Nikki was attacking you specifically. Look AAs who support Hillary are under a lot of pressure from their family, friends, and their community. It is an emotionally difficult time for them.

    As it is for us who are being attacked everyday as racists by Obama and his supporters.

    Nikki was just making the point that not all AAs are like Jermiah Wright and I think she was just asking us not to paint a broad brush. She might have gone a bit overboard too.

    We are all Hillary supporters. So, let us forgive and forget.

  405. mj,

    I didn’t see comments you are referring to.

    Lin feeling bad 🙁

    But I still want to say that fighting among ourselves is what They want. The racism stuff is insidious like crazy glue. You start down that joad and everything starts to seem racist.

    I just don’t think there are any racists on this board.

    I think everyone here supports Hillary, and that’s the bottom line

  406. tps, I hear you.

    I am already forgetting.

    I don’t want anyone to leave unless they think we are all a bunch of racists.

    That would not be ok, with moi.

  407. For some reason all I can think of right now is that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry and Elaine are getting the babka and Jerry buys a black and white cookie and starts pontificating about racial harmony.

    look to the cookie Elaine, look to the cookie

    I really can’t wait to be off the meds, yo.

  408. Pro-Clinton? SNL Says You’re Joking:

    nytimes.com/2008/03/13/arts/television/13snl.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

  409. and african americans rioting I’m tempted to stop coming here completely.
    *****************************
    Nikki2, I wanted to add to my post upthread. There are a few here who like to tangle with each other, it usually ends when one gets indignant and huffs off and then shows up a week later. I step over there threads and move on to the posts that I’m interested in. I don’t think anyone here is racist and I would urge you if you disagree with what someone says to engage them in a thoughtful, substantive post instead of threatening to leave.

    Kids do tha when they say, ‘you’re not my friend anymore’, or ‘i’m not playing with you anymore’. Come on, we’ve come to far on this board to engage in those games.

    I repudiate Wright and his church and I don’t extrapolate this onto other Black churches. I was particularly saddened to see a shepherd stir up his flock in hate. Did you see the congregants sucking his vile speech up, standing up and exhorting him to go on as they cheered.

    The image of him humping in the pulpit is enought o make me puke. Geraldine Ferraro is a hero to me and I admire her. While what she said could have been said better, I agree with her.

    I wish i knew how to contact her (calling Sugar) because I want to tell her, ‘THANKS FOR TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM’.

  410. Kaffeen, you keep saying both campaigns. Just provide some evidence. Can you say why you think both campaigns? Cause I do not see it. I truly do not.

  411. Regarding the rioting comment, I think that both White and Black supporters have been advocating that spurred on by MSM commentators and Former Gov. Wilder of VA.

  412. Whatever, lin. It’s upthread. Trying to tell some people to consider some of their comments before going off the deep end is good for the community. I totally disagree with you.

  413. Sean Wilentz pointed out that there is no way in which Hillary could benefit from playing the race card. I think he is right.

    She gains most from being as inclusive as possible.

    And, most importantly, she is a dedicated inclusive and completely NOT bigoted person.

  414. The ONLY time I felt like the HRC camp might have actually played the race card was when Big Dawg said that Jesse Jackson too had won SC.

    Was it a true statement? Sure. But I really do feel that he was attempting to diminish Bambi’s win there. I thought that was alittle over the line. But apart from that, I haven’t seen the race card pulled by anyone other than Bambi and his camp. What bugs me the most though, is that by not buying into the game, Bill and Hillary set themselves up for Bambi to keep playing the race card. Look, the race card is a weapon ONLY because it works, folks. And if you think for one minute that ALOT of my community doesn’t use it as a weapon, then you’re just flat out wrong. The only way to make it a useless weapon is to stand up to it and call it bullshit. (provided it is bullshit, of course. Sometimes it’s legit.) Anyway, I think Gerry Ferraro has it exactly right on this one.

  415. Here is the VIDEO of ABC News report on Jeremiah Wright. It is scary, frankly:

    abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230

  416. birdgal, Don’t take those typical pro-Obama comments as indicative of how Dems at large feel about a re-vote. I suspect if a national poll was done, the vast majority of Dems would favor a re-vote, even many Obama supporters. Most of them aren’t the whack jobs we see online. That’s just a very vocal minority.

    I also believe our nominee will win overwhelming AA support in November, even if it’s Hillary. I don’t see any national polls showing an erosion. Both HRC and Obama are even or slightly ahead of McCain at the moment.

  417. Well, I think Bill’s comment was taken out of context, but I concede the point. BO has made the race card an integral part of his campaign, whether or not he believes it.

  418. Dennis Praeger is calling K.Olberman out for ‘smearing’ and ‘libeling’ Hillary Clinton. He is palying clips from last night’s show.

    He said that Ferarro was correct although she inartfully made the comments.

    He is saying that the Clintons have done so much for Black relations here in the USA and to see how they have been turned upon.

    **Nikki2, I don’t know how you feel about those comments. Before, now, I said that many AA were voting out of pride for BO and of what could be. Now, while that may still be true, I thinkt ht something sinister have been added. The race stoking thing I believe may begin to start to enter hate of the Clinton’s.

    A Hillary supporter just called in (female), she said that she use to watch MSNBC but she can’t support MSNBC anymore due to how they have portrayed Rendell and the Clintons.

  419. I think what bothers me even more is the comments coming from Obama and his campaign saying that he only lost Texas et al…because of Hillary’s negative campaigning. His assumption that without that he would have won hands down is a slap in the face of Hillary’s credentials and popularity.

  420. “Clinton’s sly trick, supposedly, was to mention Jackson and no other Democrat who had previously prevailed in South Carolina–thereby demeaning Obama’s almost certain victory as a “black” thing. But the fact remains that Clinton, who watches internal polls closely and is an astute observer, knew whereof he spoke: when the returns were counted, Obama’s and Jackson’s percentages of the overall vote and the key to their victories–a heavy majority among blacks–truly were comparable. The only other Democrats Clinton could have mentioned would have been himself (who won more than two-thirds of the vote in 1992, far more than either Jackson or Obama) and John Edwards (who won only 45 percent in 2004, far less than either Jackson or Obama). Given the differences, given that by mentioning himself, Clinton could have easily been criticized for being self-congratulatory, and given that Edwards had not yet dropped out of the 2008 race, the omissions were not at all surprising. By mentioning Jackson alone, the former president was being accurate–and, perhaps, both modest and polite. But Obama’s supporters willfully hammered him as a cagey race-baiter.

    Not everyone agreed with the race-baiting charge–including Jesse Jackson himself. Jackson noted proudly to Essence magazine that he had, indeed, won in 1984 and 1988, and, even though he had endorsed Obama, criticized the Obama campaign, saying, “again, I think it’s some more gotcha politics.” ”

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

  421. Idunn,

    I agree completely.

    Except I didn’t see anything wrong with raising Jesse jackson’s wins after South Carolina. bill was trying to play down Obama’s win. What is wrong with that? That is his job. He was only saying an AA has won S. Carolina by big margins before, but he didn’t go on to win the whole deal?

    I didn’t see what was so horrible. Neither did Jesse Jackson.

  422. It is very interesting. Obama leads in all the categories that Bush did. Everything else goes to Hillary by a wide margin. Is Obama the democrat’s version of Bush? Since I know he is not a dumb as dubya, I do have a feeling he is just a puppet for others.

  423. Linfar, I didn’t say it was wrong or horrible. But I do thing Bill played the race card on that one. It was clear to me what he was saying anyway. Was it true? Yes. Did it still play on racial politics…imo it did.

  424. I love how ABC shows a clip of Rev. Wright and then has qualify it “It’s not known if Sen. Obama was in the church on this day.”

  425. Paula: I agree. It was just interesting to hear the other side of it. I surprised at the remarks. The posters were young. I look at the polls, so I know, what they were saying is incorrect.

  426. Here is the clip of Wright saying “Bill ‘DID’ us just like he “DID” Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

    You know…someone has to say it, so I’ll brave the murky waters and take one for the team. This guy isn’t a minisiter…he’s a black militant. Period. Draggin’ it out into the light for all to see…sue me. 😉

  427. This is what Bill actually said, and it was on the day of the primary, before the results were in, not afterwards and intended to diminish:

    “Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina twice in ’84 and ’88 and he ran a good campaign. And Senator Obama’s run a good campaign. He’s run a good campaign everywhere. He’s a good candidate with a good organization.”

    How is this in any way racist or even critical of either Jackson or Obama?

  428. Rev. Wright is an example of the worst in religious leaders. They capitalize on fear and hate (and spread this as well). It is very sad that Obama identifies with this person.

  429. Everyone: we need to rally and get this story out about Rev. Wright and expose a true racist!!! Scroll to the top of this thread and DEMAND that CNN, NBC, etc. run this story! Tell them we will NOT stand for a double standard (calling Gerry a “racist” when Rev. Wright clearly is the racist!!)

    Everyone, call / email the media right now and tell them that we’re going to call their advertisers too!!! This is bullshit!

  430. Idunn,

    What did you hear bill saying. I really want to know. Because I never did understand all the uproar. So maybe now I will.

  431. In the poll, 10 percent of white Democrats said they would cross party lines and support McCain if Clinton is the nominee. But twice as many — 20 percent — said they would back McCain if Obama is nominated. White Democrats without a college degree were even more likely to defect if Obama is nominated: 24 percent said so
    _______________________________________

    20% cross over now, but if Bambi is the nominee come back in six months and the number will be double. You can make book on it. This is a moving target. His fatal mistake? He played the race card.

  432. Idunn,

    Wright is a sorry piece of work. No question. I just don’t unjdersrtand how Obama’s handlers–and Axelrod is one smart cookie–thought they could keep Wright under wraps. I guess they have played the race card so long now and everyone has fallen in line that they think no one will have the balls to show this guy and say, “What is Obama doing in that church?”

  433. Clinton Camp Pushes Electability Argument In Conference Call
    Posted by Brian Montopoli

    The Clinton campaign held a conference call today to make an electability argument for the former first lady built around the upcoming primary in Pennsylvania.

    Clinton leads in Pennsylvania polls and needs to win the state handily to make an argument to superdelegates, who could decide the nomination in her favor even if she trails in pledged delegates, that she deserves the nomination.

    The Pennsylvania vote, Clinton’s chief strategist Mark Penn told reporters, will be a “very significant test of who could really win the general election.”

    “We believe this will show Hillary is ready to win, and that Senator Obama really can’t win the general election,” Penn said.

    Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell called what he characterized as the Obama campaign’s attempts to “diminish” the significance of the Pennsylvania vote “off-putting.”

    He said Pennsylvania’s primary will be a “true test of someone’s national appeal” because of the state’s diversity, citing the presence of farming, big cities, coal mining, and both a midwestern and east coast “tinge.”

    “This is not a solid blue state,” Rendell said. “This is a purple state. And we need a candidate who can win here.”

    Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter took aim at a recent memo from the Obama campaign stating that “Pennsylvania is only one of 10 remaining contests, each important in terms of allocating delegates and ultimately deciding who are nominee will be.”

    The memo is “one of the silliest things I’ve seen in recent times,” Nutter said. “If somebody on my staff wrote something like that, I’d fire them, because it just doesn’t make any sense.”

    Pennsylvania is “a critical state and everybody knows it for the general election,” he added.

    Both Penn and Rendell pushed the notion that Pennsylvania is one of four states – the others are Ohio, Florida and Michigan – that Democrats need to do well in if they want to win in November. (Clinton won in all three of the other states, though Obama wasn’t on the ballot in Michigan and the candidates did not compete in Michigan or Florida because the states violated DNC rules by holding their primaries early.)

    The four states are “dominated by swing voters who are critical to a victory in November,” Penn said.

    Added Rendell: “We need to win three of four.”

  434. Idunn, i actually agree, that was the ONLY time, and Hillary knows it, thats why she only said something conciliatory about that comment.

  435. wbboei,

    Yes. Many will defect from dems if Obama heads the ticket. No question. the party is in a real quandry

  436. I have watched general elections for the past 20+ years. In every election, every poltical person says four states matter most…

    Ohio, Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Every time, before the results pour in, every analyst will circle those states (or mention them) and say, this is what will be the most important areas to watch….

    ‘Nuff said.

  437. Arkansas poll shows that Hillary will beat Mccain in the GE
    publicbroadcasting.net/kuar/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1242800&sectionID=1

  438. rigso, Idunn,

    By referrring to Jesse Jackson’s numbers in s. Carolina in comparison to Obama, he was playing race card? Is that what you felt? that it was not fair comparison?

  439. I’ve emailed some media about Wright:

    here is the response from someone at an Atlanta newspaper:

    ” Sure, be glad to. Just tell me what official campaign position this guy holds.

    You claim he has one. But every thing I find claims he does not.

    So I’d be interested in seeing you back up that claim. ”

    in the original email I included the link to Obama’s press release naming Wright as part of comitee (www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obama120407pr.html) But I included again, hopefully his “be glad to” is honest. I know Georgia is gone, but the more media the better.

  440. I don’t believe BO is downplaying PA. He has ground troops all over the state. I think, he is bluffing, trying to throw Hillary’s campaign off. Don’t believe it.

  441. What did you hear bill saying. I really want to know. Because I never did understand all the uproar. So maybe now I will.

    Well, I don’t really understand why there was such an uproar either. I didn’t find it to be hugely insulting at all, but I didn’t think it was neccesary either. Bill simply made the comparison between Obama doing very well in SC, and Jackson also doing very well in SC. In and of itself, not a big thing. EXCEPT for the fact that there have been other politicians who did equally well in SC. Bill himself, for example. Yet Bill used a black politician to compare to another black politician…even though, he COULD have used a white politician who did well there also to make his case. He chose to compare Obama to Jackson. That was no accident. And in my opinion, that’s racial politics.

    Was it a horrible, terrible, racist thing to do? No. But it was playing the race card.

  442. lin, i think it wasnt that bad, but it was one comment that to me, made sense to be construed as trying to say he only won because he is black. And hillary wouldnt have ‘apologized’ for it, if there wasnt definte room for that interpretation there.

  443. I’m going to say this again…..playing the race card and believing in the race card are two very different things.

    As for Obambi playing down PA….ya right. He’s not hoodwinking Hill for sure.

  444. rigso,

    that has been the line on Wright all along. Everyone has the right to attend the church of their choice. It is none of our bussiness. We shouldn’t drag that into the political arena.

  445. tiburones, I agree, and I’m sure her campaign knows how important those states are, too. I believe she can win all four of them plus PR, and be competitive in NC, even if she doesn’t pull it out.

    BTW, Hillary made a lot of conciliatory comments last night at a meeting of black newspaper editors about uniting the party. There’s a post on it at TM.

  446. If Obama *truly* identifies with Rev. Wright (which by saying he is a member of the family seems to indicate that he certainly does), that would indicate to me this is a very important issue that hiding behind the veil of religion cannot and will not hide.

  447. rigso,

    ok. So by bill saying what he said, he was implying he only won cause he is black.

    So now here I go. Isn’t that true? Didn’t AA’s turn out enmasse to support an AA candidate. It was identify politics writ large.

    What is so bad about saying so. Why is that playing the race card?

  448. I do encourage *everyone* to compile a list of of links to Rev. Wright’s video’s, published comments, facts, and Obama comments in relation to him (including his campaign status) and then send this to every person I have posted in the media contacts at the top of this thread.

  449. linfar we agree, it is true, but it is politics, you have to be more PC… But on Wright, its not just church, Wright has aposition in the campaign.. look at TPS’s post…

  450. Idunn at 12:48, you make good points.

    Also, Hillary will not be outmaneuvered by Obama’s campaign RE: Pa. Her camp made some mistakes in that area early on by underestimating Obama (a non-no in politics), but that will absolutely not happen again.

  451. out of the list i provided above about 60-100 were undeliverable, but out of over 2000 emails, that aint bad. I’m getting a few responses already from smaller media, and hopefully the bigger media will see it, especially if they get the same story more than once!

    Remember to BCC if you include many emails at once..

  452. linfar Says:

    March 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    rigso,

    ok. So by bill saying what he said, he was implying he only won cause he is black.

    So now here I go. Isn’t that true? Didn’t AA’s turn out enmasse to support an AA candidate. It was identify politics writ large.
    linfar Says:

    March 13th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
    rigso,

    ok. So by bill saying what he said, he was implying he only won cause he is black.

    So now here I go. Isn’t that true? Didn’t AA’s turn out enmasse to support an AA candidate. It was identify politics writ large.

    Well, so what if it’s true? AAs make up about a third of primary voters. They have just as much a right to their say as any ethnic group.

  453. I guess not Paula, but i replied telling him exactly where he could find Wright’s name on the release…

  454. Idunn,

    Ok. so by comparing Obama who is black, to another black politician, Jesse jackson, he was playing race card?

    See, to me it seems like a legitimate comparison.

    If a woman had only run for President in a state one other time, and a woman was running again, I would compare her to the other woman. it would be silly not to.

    See I think he was comparing one black candidate to another. And I don’t see that as injecting race in an illegitimatge way.

    to me the race card is when somebody says: If y ou elect that black guy, ‘they’ are gonna take over the countrty. The AA’s will be dominant. You will lose————fill in the blank.

    Or the race card to me is when you smear someone because of their race. Like well, We all know AA’s appeal to fill in the blank.

    Inotherwords it is when you make race more important in a NEGATIVE way.

    I don’t think comparing one black candidate to another is negative.

  455. that has been the line on Wright all along. Everyone has the right to attend the church of their choice. It is none of our bussiness. We shouldn’t drag that into the political arena.

    Yes, but this isn’t just about religion. Look, if you were running for president, and you attended a church where your minister stood up there on the pulpit and declared that black people were keeping all you white parishioners down, and that black people were doing the work of the devil…you better believe I’d have an issue with that.

    Shit cuts both ways. A church that uses religion to mask political agendas…particulary ones that are hate based…need to be dragged into the light and shown for the filth they are. Don’t care if it’s white against black, black against white, or whatever. Now, if as a woman of color, I ever visited a church where a minister talked vicious hatred like that, I’d run for the hills. I don’t want my children to learn shit like that. I don’t want to be fed that poison. But I DO wonder why someone who visits a church like that, and stays in that church for 20 years, is getting from that church and it’s “spiritual leader”.

    That’s fair game, imo.

  456. AAs make up about a third of primary voters. They have just as much a right to their say as any ethnic group.

    Well-said, mj.

  457. I am working right now, can someone put together a form letter (with all the links in this thread) so we can all send this individually? Please, this is important!

  458. ooo, kaff, they all came in different emails from administrator, so it would take a while to get them all. i’ll try to do it by tonight if I can, but I’m at work right now.

  459. One look at the huge crowds for Hillary in Pennsylvania, and you can see the excitement. We are just getting started in the Keystone State, and we need your help to keep our momentum going through April 22!

    Make a contribution today to help Hillary win.

    contribute.hillaryclinton.com/temple_university.html?sc=1688&utm_source=1688&utm_medium=e&ta=0

  460. Guess what, folks? According to some on Hill’s blog, she’s baaaaack! Oprah campaigning with BO in Indiana this week.

  461. Ok. so by comparing Obama who is black, to another black politician, Jesse jackson, he was playing race card?

    See, to me it seems like a legitimate comparison.

    Yes, but my point is that Bill could have chosen any number of past politicians as a comparison . He chose Jesse Jackson. Why do you think that was the case? What do YOU think Bill was trying to say? Maybe we’re just hearing two different things…or looking at it from two very different points of reference.

  462. Idunn,

    I agree with you. Absolutely. But that is the line in the media that is being taken about Wright and his church.

    They kinds did the same thing with Romcy and mormonism

  463. “got it. i see that others are already plowing this field … politico.com, etc.”

    reply from Atlanta journalist, he probably wont cover it, but this exchange shows that it is worth it to email these reporters, some do look at your ideas and potentially cover it.

  464. AAs make up about a third of primary voters. They have just as much a right to their say as any ethnic group.

    Well, that’s very big of you white devils. 😉

  465. Ah! Got the problem figured out why I can’t post. The link to my blog with my name is blocked. What’s that all about, admin????

  466. I agree, Idunn. If Hillary’s minister were to say these things there would be a justified outrage. Look at McCain who had to denounce that guy who said the anti-Catholic things. Wright should not be treated any different.

  467. Hello??

    WHAT??!! Can’t you see we’re trying to solve the damned racial divide in here this morning??!!

    😉

  468. Per the NY Times…

    Although Mr. Obama did not directly call on Ms. Ferraro to quit the campaign finance committee, his aides worked to keep the issue alive. They set up a conference call with reporters to draw attention to the comment.

    In addition, the aides were sending emails to various news outlets even today….

    Hmmm, who is playing the race card?

  469. B, your site may have been given the prestigious award of being a potentially “unsafe” site. If someone reports your site as potentially having viruses, it can eventually become a part of “built in” spam filters. Chances are “WordPress” has this built in, not admin.

  470. kaffeen, OBAMA is! and we have to fight back. What Wright said is disgusting and worse than ANYTHING anyone on Clinton’s camp has said. lets not let this hypocrisy stand.

  471. Hmmm, who is playing the race card?

    You. And we’d appreciate it if you’d knock that shit off. 😉

  472. This church deal probably won’t affect Obama at all. The news will cover it for a day, he’ll release a statement that kind of distances himeself from it but not really, everyone will accept that and then poof it’ll be gone. Unless Obama get the nomination then every right-wing news outlet will be running stories 24/7. Fox will have it as it’s bumper. The 527s will be all over it. it’ll be ugly. But as long as Hillary is still in the race, what church? ::whistles::

  473. B.Merryfield, spam filters seem to be in love with you today. We’ve been fishing out your comments from the filters.

  474. Tiny, the public may not be willing to admit this, but I suspect that not all the super-delegates are dummies. This will work in our favor come the convention.

  475. Ferraro said during one of her interviews that the Obama camp called the firm she used to work at and tried to get her fired.

  476. I just want some reporter to start digging about Bambi’s FARC connection.

    (Mainly because I want astrological validation for my own selfious reasons. Sue me twice.)

  477. I don’t even want to know what’s in those spam filters. (probably 100 from me trying to figure out how to link things).

  478. So what if Oprah is campaigning with him? Didn’t help much in Ca DID IT? Her iggest impact was when she initially came and and campaigned for him. She didn’t go th texas, ohio, why not penn. she has property in IA. no biggie

  479. Can anyone tell me, does the Florida and/or Michigan primary vote do overs help or hurt Hillary? Given BO’s February surge, does a ‘do over’ vote give him a chance to gain more delegates than originally won in January?

  480. Ferraro said during one of her interviews that the Obama camp called the firm she used to work at and tried to get her fired.

    You see what a deadly weapon the race card can be?? People are terrified of it…that’s why it’s so fucking powerful.

    You stand up for yourself, Gerry! Don’t let these assholes get away with this kind of BS!

  481. Can anyone tell me, does the Florida and/or Michigan primary vote do overs help or hurt Hillary?

    I think she’ll probably end up with more votes in a FL redo. Not so sure about MI, though. A redo could possibly hurt her there.

  482. Psymac….lol, despite the Obama propaganda, delegates really are meaningless at this point. I think the popular vote will prove to be more important, as will the *supers*.

  483. Just checked the REZKO trial site and it looks like the plea bargaining is well under way.The canarys are starting to sing.Perhaps BZO and MO will get in the mood sooner than later and join in with their tune,” THE BIRDS ARE SINGING FOR ME AND MY GAL “.

  484. So many negative attacks on Hillary and her family have gone unchallenged by the media for the most part. So many negative attacks on Obama have resulted in Hillary being raked over the coals.

    I hope she has a good memory when this is all over.

  485. Linfar,
    I won’t dignify you with a response.

    Tiburones,
    I don’t believe I’m acting like a child. Look most of the people on this board are not racists or bigots. But I’ve grown tired of reading this racist bullsh** over and over. I’m sick and tired of having to say that black folks DO NOT HATE HILLARY! I’m sick to death of black voters being called out for voting as a group but these same people won’t say jack when Hill gets 90% of the black vote in the GE. If people want to call out Obama, his surrogates, his campaign tactics that’s fine. People are perfectly justified to be upset about BO playing the race card or his pastor/church. There’s NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. But every single time Al Sharpton says something or one of BO’s black supporters calls CSPAN, posts something on a blog, or makes threats on tv there are these insane generalizations about black people. This despite overwhelming evidence that Hillary is extremely popular w/ AAs.

  486. birdgal Says:

    March 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
    I don’t believe BO is downplaying PA. He has ground troops all over the state. I think, he is bluffing, trying to throw Hillary’s campaign off. Don’t believe it.

    You seem to think Hillary is a political novice and her supporters here naive. Ya know, Hillary’s preparing her army of volunteers (in and out of state) and staff to descend upon PA. No one is underestimating BO in PA, least of all Hillary. Unlike TX or OH, which had offices open only 2 or 3 weeks before the Primaries, offices in PA are up and running as soon as TX and OH were done with. PA is the bullseye and Hillary is proactive. She’s leaving nothing to chance.

  487. March 13, 2008, 12:12 pm
    Axelrod and Penn

    By Matt Bai
    Primary Argument – Matt Bai – The Caucus – Politics – New York Times Blog

    Democrats tend to make celebrities of their campaign consultants, which is why anyone who has closely followed this campaign could probably pick out Mark Penn or David Axelrod, the chief strategists for Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, in a bar. To simply refer generically to these strategists as “consultants,” however, as if they were necessarily experts in the same craft, is to obscure important differences in how they got to where they are—differences that can often be important to understanding the arc of a particular campaign. This long and remarkable struggle between Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Obama has been a study not just in the brilliance and the blind spots of the candidates themselves, but also those of their most trusted — and highly paid — advisers.

    Mr. Axelrod is an ad guy. A man who perfected the craft of encapsulating an entire life in 30 seconds, he has a gift for telling personal stories in ways that people can understand. As my colleague Benjamin Wallace Wells wrote in a Times Magazine profile last year, Mr. Axelrod’s essential insight — the idea that has made him successful where others might have failed — is that the modern campaign really isn’t about the policy arcana or the candidate’s record; it’s about a more visceral, more personal narrative. This is probably a big reason why Mr. Obama has, from the start, focused almost exclusively on broad themes of “hope” and “change,” drawing heavily on his own life story, rather than staking out any particularly new policy ground. In its tone and emphasis, Mr. Obama’s campaign reflects all the attributes of a truly great political ad: the stirring words, the beautiful pictures, the simple and elegant storyline of a ruined political system and the man whose moment has arrived.

    I was struck by the constancy of this approach, as I have been at several points in the campaign, on the night of Mr. Obama’s losses in Ohio and Texas. Mrs. Clinton had spent the previous week mercilessly deriding Mr. Obama as a guy who gives nice, vague speeches but who isn’t versed in the finer points of governing. And the attacks seemed to have taken their toll. But when Mr. Obama took the stage in San Antonio, he seemed bent on reiterating her point — or at least he didn’t attempt to refute it. Rather than seek to reassure viewers about his gravitas, Mr. Obama stubbornly dove right back into his familiar narrative of inspiring a movement. Such is the unwavering, almost defiant faith that Mr. Axelrod and his candidate have in the transformative power of their story.

    Mr. Penn, on the other hand, is a pollster, and pollsters tend to look at campaigns as a series of dissectible data points that either attract voters or drive them away. Get a health-care plan and an economic plan that 70 percent of people say they view favorably. Pay attention to words that move the dial in focus groups, like “real solutions for America” or “ready to lead on day one.” Trust in poll-tested character traits like “strength” and “experience.” Mrs. Clinton’s relentless focus on pragmatism and specificity, as well as her willingness to shift to whatever slogan suits the moment, are not simply a result of her own personality but also of Mr. Penn’s strategic outlook, which values testable ideas and phrases over more sweeping imagery and thematics.

    Mr. Penn’s influence was on display last weekend when both Mrs. Clinton and her husband suddenly started talking about the potential of her choosing Mr. Obama as a running mate, even though she has consistently disparaged him as too inexperienced to occupy the Oval Office. (That apparent contradiction proved too much even for Howard Wolfson, Mrs. Clinton’s deft spokesman, who was reduced to suggesting that maybe Mr. Obama would somehow become more credible on foreign policy between now and August.) It seems likely that Mr. Penn polled this question in the wake of Ohio and Texas and found that it had appeal. Thus the campaign abruptly began hammering at a new message, and one that undermined its core point about Mr. Obama, in order to peel off some critical segment of voters reflected in the latest data.

    These two campaign worldviews, of course, aren’t mutually exclusive; Mr. Obama does his share of polling, and Mrs. Clinton has her own storyline of change. But the emphasis that each consultant has brought to his respective campaign accounts, in some measure, for how the two candidates have succeeded to this point—and also, perhaps, for how they haven’t. At times during the campaign, Mr. Obama has sought to gird his message of hope with more references to his concrete proposals, but more often he has seemed to discount the importance of such specificity, and this has enabled Mrs. Clinton to portray him as insubstantial. (And yes, I know, many Obama supporters reading this column have pointed out that his policy ideas have received insufficient attention, but that’s largely because Mr. Obama hasn’t consistently emphasized them.) Mrs. Clinton, meanwhile, has at times seemed to regard the very notion of transformative change as Pollyanna-ish and silly, conveying instead the idea that government is all about metrics and practicality.

    Little wonder, then, that Democrats are having a hard time deciding between the two. Mr. Axelrod’s storytelling has created a dynamic hero who sometimes seems estranged from the practicalities of governing; Mr. Penn’s data has created a credible platform put forth by a candidate whose theory of leadership can seem small. What voters love in one they crave in the other.

  488. filbert says: You seem to think Hillary is a political novice and her supporters here naive.

    No, not at all. Hillary is quite savvy. It was just a comment. I do not believe for one second that she is a novice. And her supporters are anything but naive.

  489. nikki, we’re just calling a spade a spade. AAs have turned their backs on the Clintons. I don’t care who they vote for in the GE. Right now, they are voting based on race. It’s not a bigot comment. It’s the fact.

    Every state where AA dominate the Democratic electorate, Obama has carried the state b/c of the AA vote. In MS, 90% of AA votes went to Obama. In La, Obama swept the state b/c of the AA vote. Where was Obama during Katrina? Hillary was there helping out. AA now only see race.

    Call me a bigot if you want, but statistics don’t lie.

  490. Birdgal @ 12:10: those bloggers are living proof that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of certain audiences.

    Put differently:

    Look into the hopium draught
    And see Barack as Barack is not
    For faith tis pleasant til tis past
    The trance that is that twil not last

  491. nikki, i get what you are saying. we shouldnt be angry at A.A community at all, they have the right to vote for Obama, if they feel he will somehow be better, I think they are misguided, but they have the right too. AA dont dislike the Clintons, thats where we allow the Media/Obamabots filter to set in, in real world, they dont. A S.C poll, after all the alleged race baiting, had hillary with 85% favorability to Obama 88% among A.A, so A.A voters dont dislike hillary, they like her, they just want to vote for Obama for obvious, and fine, reasons

  492. I agree completely with Nikki. Filbert, AA’s have just as much a right to vote however they want as anyone else. See, that sort of resentment is counter productive. Nikki, I hope you won’t leave. I only wish Hill was getting that sort of monolithic support from women, and if she were I doubt any of you would complain.

    Guys, an african american Iraq vet wrote a song and made a video for Hill on hillaryspeaksforme. It’s really good.

  493. birdgal, I do agree with you that a lot of ppl think Hillary will carry PA and they don’t seem to worry about it. I think Obama is a tricky bastard who will try to manufacture something right before the Primary. That is what I worry about.

    PA is about the economy, isn’t it? Lots of problems with outsourcing there. In PA and Indiana, the race card will lesson and charges of corporate ties will dominate. The genius of the Obama camp is they have theme for each state.

    Right after NH, they played the race card b/c of SC. Right before MS, they played the race card again. Rovian, isn’t it?

  494. nikki please don’t be upset. We are mad at the wrong people. We just need to put our focus on Hillary and make sure we do everything in our power to make her 44.

  495. I really don’t care if anyone is offended mj. If Nikki sees fit to leave and is accusing some of us of bigotry, then perhaps taking a break from us bigots is the best for her.

    I have never been accused of being a bigot so often as I have experienced in this Primary.

    Facts are facts. I’m quite aware, mj, that this is America and AA can vote for whomever they damn well please. However, this adds to credence that they are basing their votes on race, and not necessarily who is best to lead us during this peril time. Resentment? No. Calling a spade a spade? Yeah. And what do people get for pointing out statistics — they get called bigots.

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  497. Filbert, I frankly, would like to keep as many african americans in Hillary’s corner as possible, even if it is only 10%. And, people vote on identity all the time. It’s not restricted to african americans.

  498. filbertsf,
    That statement is so ignorant I don’t even know where to start. Correct me if I’m wrong but Obama also won states like Idaho, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Washington, Virginia, Colorado, Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and Wyoming, right? But those are predominantly white electorates so its okay. African Americans do not owe Hillary or any other candidate their vote. And seeing as how you think it doesn’t matter how they vote in the general I assume you would be perfectly happy with McCain getting say 40% of the black vote in states like Ohio or Florida?

  499. Also, Nikki didn’t accuse anyone of anything. She said she’s tired of people saying aa’s hate the Clintons and are going to protest if Hill wins and all. She’s tired of having to correct people. I agree with her. The polling evidence sited twice above bears her out. So, just lower the tone of the rhetoric. BO would like nothing more than to continue to divide and conquor.

  500. Obama isn’t where he is only because of AA voters. There’s a whole bunch of white people voting for him as well and I suspect many of them have no clue about where he stands, what his policies are, his church etc.

    I hope you don’t leave nikki.

  501. filberts – you’ve completely missed Nikki’s point, and we need Nikki’s voice on this board. The propaganda from BO’s campaign and the propaganda that’s coming out of the MSM is that all AA vote in bloc, all AA have the same opinion, when they don’t.

    today on the front page of the LA Times – article on how race is an issue and two AA pastors claiming that AA will stay home for the GE if Clinton wins the Primary…this is PROPAGANDA forwarded by the MSM and by BO and a scare tactic.

    I don’t believe anyone’s a racist on this board, but generalizations about an entire community is also wrong.

  502. thanks, admin. Removed the blog link and things are back to “normal”. Sorry that I had to do that but was down to my last options to figure it out!

    I’m baaaaaaaaaaack!

  503. MJ, Hillary has arguably, the most influential, balanced, and important AA political personalities. That should tell you something right there.

  504. To hell I’ll listen to Nikki. She may be a nice person, but accusing ppl here of bigotry is the sort of rhetoric that Obama is using. To “listen” to her is to accept her accusation that saying AA are voting on race is bigotry. This is a charge I reject.

    And just to add… 70% of whites who voted for Hillary probably voted based on race. So shame on them. Frankly, I don’t give a damn if BO is purple and Hillary was a muppet. I love and believe she is the best to lead this nation. BO is a naive little baffoon with an ego that outmatches Donald Trump’s.

  505. Exactly, Nikki’s right, and just please knock it off. BO’s tactics are what is at issue, not the voters. Also, Hillary would definately tell you she would like the support of african americans now, and certainly in a GE, so stop it.

  506. More news organizations are beginning to pick this stuff up (I would expect this to dominate the news cycle in the next few days)….

    news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/03/13/obamas-pastor/

  507. Filbert, voting identity is not being a bigot. That’s absurd. I think Nikki has beeen quite astute. I wish you would drop this.

  508. Nikki, I would be perfectly happy if McCain won. At least I never have to listen to another race baiter.

  509. I posted this on another forum

    You know, despite what someone may say about me, I would be thrilled to see an AA president. But he should be a president for all of us and he should demonstrate that very clearly. So all mentioning of race should have been left out all together or squashed if it showed it ugly head momentarily. No one supposed to vote for anybody based on their skin color or be influenced by it. But we don’t live in a perfect world and I Understand that excitement in AA community that one of their own maybe becoming a president is high. So unfortunately, lately in numerous examples that I heard and saw, I see the same tendency again and again: you almost have to support Obama if you are black. Otherwise you are traitor who have committed High Treason. And, I am sorry, this is exactly of what me, Xote and others are talking for so long.
    I personally spoke yest to a black man who is a doorman in my grandfathers house and ask him why did he vote for Obama. he said plainly:” I want to see a black man president”. I don’t blame him – but I blame all of us – that we are going from one form of racism into another. And lately it is one open to everybody secret. States that have a big AA population are going Obama because of overwhelming support from AA community. I am like positive, that you and me are in absolute tiny minority, once it comes to the point where we say – we are listening to the issues. Majority will just say the same this Doormen told me. I am sorry, but I find that deeply disturbing and scary. And it looks like we went over a certain boundary or threshold over the last week or so – and now more and more people are getting the same rightful question: why all of this is happening and is it really right thing to happen? Is it really what all of us want in America? They don’t come to a pleasant conclusion after they ask themselves this question.

  510. wbboei Says:

    March 13th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
    Birdgal @ 12:10: those bloggers are living proof that nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of certain audiences.

    Put differently:

    Look into the hopium draught
    And see Barack as Barack is not
    For faith tis pleasant til tis past
    The trance that is that twil not last

    That is so true. The comments were taken from a thread named, “Obamarama.” LOL!
    They have had the Kool-aid.

  511. filbertsf, most of the people online calling us racists are not AAs, they are young, white liberals.

    Everyone, before this gets out of hand, let us drop this subject.

    nikki22, I have been defending your voice here as you can see from my previous posts. People are upset because they are called racist everyday by Obama and his supporters. No one here is being narrow-minded about this. Please drop the subject.

    I want us to focus on this Jeremiah Wright and Obama’s association with this guy.

  512. Hey, I’m back.

    My Mom has alzheimers and today she couldn’t remember why she was going to the sr. center. Yikes. it gets a little worse all the time 🙁

    nikki, I think I jumped in when I shouldn’t have. I feel so damned defensive about race.

    I am sorry. Truly.

    Here I was saying we shouldn’t let if divide us, and I divided you from me.

    Let’s put it behind us.

  513. i guess the old adage: ‘be careful what u wish for’ is true…
    you want to talk about race and bring it to the forefront,
    you may not like what comes of it, this discussion could get ugly…
    theres alot of minorities, and they all have their own stories of discrimination.
    when you stir the pot, you might find they arent going to be sympathetic to somebody elses problems, when they all have their own..
    it just might turn out that things werent as bad as they could be…
    all out race war wouldnt be a good thing…
    especially because the sides wouldnt line up the way some people might think…

  514. We have to push this story on the local media in Pennsylvania, India, West Virginia, and Kentucky and force CNN, CBS and NBC to cover it.