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February 17, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Hillary Clinton Wants To Accomplish On Her Trip Overseas

10 Exchange U.S. dollars for currency that's worth something

9 Win respect defeating Japan's top-ranked sumo wrestler

8 Shift world's perception of America from "hated" to "extremely disliked"

7 Personally thank all of her illegal campaign donors

6 Three words: stylish Indonesian pantsuits

5 Visit burial site of revered Chinese military leader, General Tso

4 Get drunk with that Japanese finance minister guy

3 Convince China to switch from lead-tainted products to mercury-tainted products

2 Catch Chinese screening of Benjamin Button entitled "The Strange Adventures of Freaky Grandpa Baby"

1 Pick up carton of duty-free smokes for Obama

February 16, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Abraham lincoln Would Say If He Were Alive Today

10 "Sup?"

9 "I see Madonna's still a slut"

8 "Who's that handsome sumbitch on the five?"

7 "Is that free Grand Slam deal still going on at Denny's?"

6 "I just changed my Facebook status update to, Tthe 'ol rail splitter is chillaxing'"

5 "How do I get on 'Dancing with the Stars'?"

4 "Okay, Obama, you're from Illinois, too. We get it!"

3 "Hey Phelps, don't Bogart the weed!"

2 "What's the deal with Joaquin Phoenix?"

1 "A Broadway play? Uhhh, no thanks. I'm good."

January 28, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard at the Meeting Between Barack Obama and the Republicans

10 "I miss the Clinton administration when we'd meet at Hooters"

9 "Can we wrap this up? I've got tickets to the 4:30 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop"

8 "Smoke break!"

7 "You fellas really need to take it easy on the Old Spice"

6 "Mr. President: don't misunderestimate the Republicans"

5 "Another smoke break!"

4 "What was the deal with Aretha Franklin's hat?"

3 "About that tax the rich stuff -- you were joking, right?"

2 "Sir, it's refreshing to have a Chief Executive who speaks in complete sentences"

1 "Senator Craig's offering his stimulus package in the men's room"

January 27, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Ways Rod Blagojevich Can Improve His Image

10 Star in new television series, "America's Funniest Haircuts"

9 Quit politics and become a fat, lovable mall cop

8 Start pronouncing last name with Jerry Lewis-like "BLAGOOOYYYJEVICH"

7 Offer a senate seat with no money down, zero percent interest

6 Team up with John Malkovich and Erin Brockovich for hot Malkovich-Brockovich-Blagojevich sex tape

5 Change his name to Barod Obamavich

4 Safely land an Airbus on the Hudson River

3 I don't know...how about showing up for his impeachment trial?

2 Wear sexy dresses, high heels and say, "You Betcha!"

1 Uhhh...resign?

January 16, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Signs Obama's Getting Nervious

10 New slogan: "Yes we can... or maybe not, it's hard to say"

9 In moment of confusion, requested a $300 billion bailout from the bailout industry

8 He's up to not smoking three packs a day

7 Friends say he's looking frail, shaky and...no, that's McCain

6 He's so stressed, doctors say he's developing a Sanjay in his Gupta

5 Been walking around muttering, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?"

4 Offered Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, $100,000 to buy his old Senate seat back

3 Standing on White House roof screaming, "Save us, Superman!"

2 Sweating like Bill Clinton when Hillary comes home early

1 He demanded a recount

January 8, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Barack Obama Plans To Fix The Economy

10 Encourage tourists to throw spare change in the Grand Canyon

9 End our dependence on foreign owls

8 Sell New Mexico to Mexico

7 Put a little of that bailout money on the Ravens plus 3 at Tennessee. Come on! It's a mortal lock!

6 Rent out the moon for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs

5 Lotto our way out of this son-of-a-bitch

4 Appear on "Deal or No Deal" and hope to choose the right briefcase

3 Bail out the adult film industry -- not sure how it helps, but it can't hurt

2 Release O.J. from prison, have him steal America's money from China

1 Stop talkin' and start Obama-natin'!

January 7, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard At The Presidents' Lunch

10 "Sorry, you're not on the list, Mr. Gore"

9 "If Hillary calls, I've been here since Monday"

8 "Laura! More Mountain Dew!"

7 "You guys wanna see, 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop'?"

6 "Call the nurse -- George swallowed a napkin ring!"

5 "Hey Barack, wanna go with us to Cabo in March? Oh that's right, you have to work!"

4 "Kissey kissey"

3 "Obama? I think he's downstairs smoking a butt"

2 "Did you ever see a monkey sneezing?"

1 "I hope Clinton's unbuckling his belt because he's full"

Shhh… It’s Pennsylvania

Lot’s of craziness popping up all over the place. Howard Dean dumps the 50 state strategy for the 48 state strategy – trading Florida for Utah and Michigan for Wyoming. Sex and hypocrisy emerge in the precincts of Albany. Obama is dealing the race card again in Mississippi.

We’ll keep our eyes, not on the distractions in the side rings (entertaining as they are), but on the main show: Pennsylvania. Phone calls, donations, campaigning – Pennsylvania:

Even the Easter Bunny has given a thumbs-up endorsement of the Democratic presidential candidate.

Clinton will speak at Scranton High School at 6 p.m. today, making the city her first Pennsylvania campaign stop. The senator’s family – the Rodhams – settled in Scranton more than 100 years ago and the former first lady was baptized in Scranton.

A source close to the Clinton campaign said the senator will visit her family’s old neighborhood near Weston Field either prior to, or after her speech. The source said Clinton will go door-to-door in the neighborhood along Diamond Avenue. The Secret Service has issued an order to have Scranton City police clear the area for the senator’s visit, the source said. [snip]

Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty will serve as master of ceremonies at today’s program. The mayor said he is proud to have his city selected as Clinton’s first Pennsylvania campaign stop.

“Of course we’re very proud to have her here and have our city be the focus of the nation,” Doherty said. “But beyond that, this is a rare opportunity for any city or region to have a presidential candidate that knows your area intimately. She knows the city and its streets. She knows the Hill section and Nay Aug Park. This is not a fake relationship; it’s the real deal.”

Doherty said Clinton was baptized in the Court Street Methodist Church, the same church her father was buried from and her niece was recently baptized there. The mayor said Hillary and her brothers – Hugh and Tony – still own the family home at Lake Winola.

“She’s one of our own,” Doherty said.

At the Steamtown Mall, shoppers were eager to talk about Clinton’s visit and her candidacy.

“I like her; she’s a smart woman,” said Eliza Burke, of Nanticoke, who was shopping with her husband, Joe. “I like (Barack) Obama too, but Hillary has more experience.”

The Burkes said they go to a lot of political events, like debates, and feel more people – especially younger voters – should get involved with the process.

“I think it’s time for a change,” said Joe Burke. “We always vote for who we think is the best person for the job and we think it’s Hillary.”

The Burkes’ granddaughter was visiting with the Easter Bunny, who gave Clinton a thumbs-up endorsement.

“I’m glad she’s coming here,” said John Marko, of Nanticoke. “I really think she will make an excellent president. She’s the most qualified candidate.”

Most of the people walking the mall thought Clinton’s visit was great news for the area.

“It’s great,” said Susan Griffiths, of Clarks Summit. “I feel comfortable with her. With so much unsettled in the world, I think with her knowledge she will be a great leader for the country.”

For the next several days, or weeks, expect Big Media to erase Hillary from broadcasts. We won’t be distracted. Phone calls, donations, campaiging – Pennsylvania.

When Mrs. Clinton comes to Pennsylvania on Monday, her first visit to the state after winning Ohio and Texas last week, her first stop will be Scranton, where her familial ties extend deeper than they do in Park Ridge, Ill., the Chicago suburb where she grew up. Look for the image shapers to link the values of this gritty region — where her grandfather, descended from Welsh coal miners, raised his family — to her character and especially her perseverance.

“She’s tough,” Christopher Doherty, Scranton’s mayor, said in an interview. “That’s a real Scranton trait. That’s an anthracite trait.” [snip]

The region is a major Democratic stronghold. Ed Mitchell, a Democratic consultant in nearby Wilkes-Barre, said it is central to the Clinton strategy for winning the state. “They need a big, big turnout here to offset the turnout for Obama in Philly and the upscale suburbs,” Mr. Mitchell said.

He said that even if Mrs. Clinton did not have local ties, the region would probably vote for her because its demographics closely match those of voters in other states who have supported her: white, female, over 50, Catholic, blue collar and on the lower end of the scales measuring education and affluence. Polling suggests that those voters favor her in part because of her goal of providing universal health care, her blueprint for the economy and the better economy during Bill Clinton’s administration.

Her supporters here hope that her local roots will help her do something she rarely does on the stump: connect the dots between those policies and her life.

The Clintons, who highlighted their connection to Pennsylvania only glancingly when Mr. Clinton was running for president, have been regular visitors here. During the eight years of the Clinton presidency, they gave 10,000 tickets to local residents for VIP tours of the White House, 1,000 tickets to Easter egg rolls on the White House lawn and 1,000 tickets to their two inaugural balls in 1992 and 1996, according to Jamie Brazil, 48, a longtime family friend and political consultant who owns a local ski resort.

Mrs. Clinton’s brothers, Hugh and Tony, return often to their grandfather’s lake cabin (with Tony becoming involved in a skirmish a few years ago that drew local headlines). A few days ago, Hugh Rodham held a reception here for Clinton volunteers.

Mayor Doherty is among those fired up by the possibility of having a president who “knows the difference between Bulls Head and Weston Field,” he said. “And the Rodhams embrace Scranton. It’s part of who they are.”

He added: “People here, we don’t live by home runs, we live by singles. And we take it day to day. We watch our pocketbook. We care about small-town things.” He said people know each other going back three generations; Mr. Corbett said they are bound by “tribalism.” [snip]

And once he had a family, he brought them back regularly, for holidays and summers. They spent parts of every August at Lake Winola, 20 miles north of here, at the cabin that her grandfather built by hand in 1910 or 1921, depending on who is telling the story. For a long time, it had no heat and no indoor shower, and the future first lady loved it, playing pinochle on the porch and learning to fish and even use a gun. “My father taught me to shoot a gun behind the cottage, and we practiced aiming at cans or rocks,” she wrote. [snip]

While the region is Democratic, it is conservative and strongly against abortion rights. But Mr. Mitchell, the political consultant, said he thought voters here would overlook this issue with Mrs. Clinton, just as they have with Gov. Edward G. Rendell, Senator Arlen Specter and Mr. Clinton himself.

“Given their druthers, they’d prefer a pro-life candidate,” Mr. Mitchell said, “but she’ll be O.K. on that. She might have more of a problem with men on gun control.”

But perhaps, in the way that political campaigns have, the detail will emerge that Mrs. Clinton herself learned to shoot with her father behind their house at the lake.

It’s Pennsylvania. Five weeks will fly by fast. It’s Pennsylvania.

1,272 comments to Shhh… It’s Pennsylvania

  • hawk

    I am thrilled about PA. I was doing calls for the campaign tonight for the county convention here in Johnson County, Iowa and I talked with yet another person eager to help out in PA. I told her about the massive crowd in Scranton today and she was thrilled. I think PA will be quite amazing for us.

  • mj

    The county convention? What’s that?

  • mj

    Hawk? You still here?

  • mj

    So I guess everyone is gone.

  • Joe Friday

    * Pennsylvania women (who outnumber men in the state) are more likely to register and vote than Pennsylvania men in presidential years.

    * In Pennsylvania, 63.5 percent of women voted in ’04, whereas only 61.3 percent of men voted. The national average that election was 60.1 percent for women and 56.3 percent for men.

    * Women in Pennsylvania voted at higher rates during the last presidential election than women in California, New York, New Jersey and Texas.

    * Ohio has a Latino population of just 2.3 percent. Pennsylvania’s Latino population is 4.2 percent.

  • hawk

    Yes sweety 🙂

  • debbie

    message to John Edwards………….HELP

    if you aren’t going to give your endorsement at this time…please give the # of your hairdresser to MO!!!!

  • hawk

    The county convention is where we are alotting delegates for the state convention, which decides where the caucus delegates go, so they can change their minds and all switch to HRC (in my dreams) 🙂

  • mj

    Well, is there any effort under way to get them to do that? Edwards is no longer in the race.

  • hawk

    We are in the process now of making sure our delegates are still with us, and we will see if the convention sees any changes. Here in JoCo, this is Bambi country (exc. rural precincts which are edwards/HRC split). I think most of the rural edwards delegates have announced privately, from rumors I heard this so I am not 100%, that they will support HRC. We’ll see.

  • mj

    Hawk, what if you got all the disenfranchised voters who couldnt caucus to sign a petition or something, saying they want to be heard.

  • mj

    Her delegates better not switch.

  • mj

    If I were Hill, I would have supporters in every state of those crazy caucuses petitioning for a voice at these county conventions.

  • hawk

    I am hoping none switched also. Iowa City’s press is firmly in the tank for bambi. They hear only negative things about her, but I think they’ll stay with her.

  • Tiny Dancer

    Do you just go County then State Hawk? Washington has 4 more steps in the process. Next is legislative district caucuses, then the county convention, then the congressional district caucus then the state convention. This really couldn’t be any more complicated.

  • mj

    Christ, they had better stay with her. That’s what they were elected to do.

  • mj

    Did Harold Ford marry a white woman? I’m hoping he can replace BO on the dream ticket but that will not happen if he married a white woman, because african american women really don’t dig that.

  • hawk

    I dunno, I think he is single mj

  • He married Emily Threlkeld who is white and why should that matter?

  • I have always liked Harold Ford and could care less who he married.

  • texan4hillary

    we in tx need help terribly for the senate district conventions mar29. bo has organizers preparing for fliiping those delegates. im a delegate-it will be wild. if anyone know folsk in the clinton camp we need help at ea of the 31 sen conventions across the state. many caucuses could be overturned etc.. people think after election night its over-but no. u have locla and then state conventions usually. the battle is not over in x or elsewhere. see this mydd diary-i hope hillary is doing this elsehwere-
    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/10/235012/291

  • carbynew

    Clinton or Obama? Mississippi’s time

    Despite election fervor, moderate turnout expected

    Natalie Chandler
    natalie.chandler@clarionledger.com

    A close race between Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama will draw more voters to the polls today than the last presidential primary, state officials predict.

    But voter turnout is still expected to be light to moderate in an election that also includes two open congressional seats and a U.S. Senate contest.

    Between 125,000 to 150,000 voters will cast ballots, Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann predicted. He said 100,000 headed to the polls in the 2004 presidential primary that featured eight contenders for the Democratic nomination, including ultimate nominee Sen. John Kerry. Mississippi has 1.78 million registered voters.

    Polls are open statewide today from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

    The two U.S. senators, Obama from Illinois and Clinton from New York, are locked in a tight race. Both have visited the state in recent days.

    Sen. John McCain of Arizona clinched the GOP nomination last week.

    Mississippi does not require voters to declare party affiliation when they register to vote. Therefore, residents who usually vote Republican can cast a ballot today for Obama or Clinton. But those voters would have to forgo voting in the Republican congressional primaries.

    Marty Wiseman, director of the Stennis Institute of Government at Mississippi State University, said he doesn’t expect much crossover voting. It would take an organized effort by Republicans and a lot of money, he said.

    “I just don’t see Republicans getting that stirred up about this,” he said. “It’s almost impossible, with an even tie, to see who would be most advantageous to the Republicans.”

    A few people approached state GOP Chairman Jim Herring at church, asking whether they should vote in the Democratic primary to skew the ballots toward one candidate or another.

    “We shouldn’t be fooling in (the Democrats’) business … because we’ve got enough to deal with,” said Herring, adding that crossover voting also would hinder a two-party system that political leaders have tried to foster.

    A federal judge ruled last year that Mississippians re-register to vote by party affiliation. Or, he said voters could register as unaffiliated with any party. His decision came after Mississippi Democrats filed a lawsuit seeking to bar Republicans from voting in Democratic primaries. The 5th U.S. Circuit of Appeals is reviewing the decision.

    Mississippi Democratic Party Chairman Wayne Dowdy said he’s not worried about Republicans voting in the Democratic primary. “We encourage everyone to participate in the Democratic primary,” he said. Asked whether that conflicts with the Democrats’ attempts to bar Republicans from voting in their primaries, Dowdy said it does not.

    The lawsuit seeks to bar Republicans from voting to elect a “weaker” Democrat, he said. In today’s primary, “there’s no claim that independents or Republicans are voting for that reason,” he said. Obama has attracted Republicans and independent voters in other states, Dowdy said.

    “I hope that occurs (today) in Mississippi,” said Dowdy, one of several superdelegates who is uncommitted.

    Political scientists statewide have predicted an Obama win in Mississippi. He and Clinton not only have visited the state over the last few days but also produced radio ads airing statewide and promoted endorsements from high-profile public officials.

    Thousands of volunteers for the candidates are making phone calls and canvassing neighborhoods to secure votes.

    Former Gov. William Winter said he supports Clinton. U.S. Rep. Marion Berry of Arkansas visited the state to support her. Novelist John Grisham introduced Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, at a campaign stop in Meridian last week.

    “The strategy here is the same strategy we use all over this country and that is that we are trying to get every vote we can. We’re trying to get people to understand this is the biggest race to ever hit this state, (or the) United States and it’s so important that people come out and vote for Hillary Clinton,” said state Rep. George Flaggs, D-Vicksburg, who is co-chairing Clinton’s Mississippi campaign.

    Clinton’s daughter, Chelsea, campaigned at several locations across Mississippi on Sunday and Monday. On Monday, she spoke at the University of Mississippi and Tougaloo College.

    Obama campaigned in Jackson and Columbus on Monday. His supporters also sponsored a gospel concert in Biloxi featuring singer Smokie Norful.

    The Obama camp has opened seven offices statewide in the past several weeks, campaign spokesman Kevin Griffis said.

    Over the weekend, supporters held events headlined by hip-hop entrepreneur Russell Simmons, former Gov. Ray Mabus and 2nd District U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson in the Delta. Democratic Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius stumped for Obama on the Gulf Coast.

    “The idea … is a community organizing philosophy where you go and meet people where they are and get to know them,” Griffis said. “You figure out a way to engage them in the campaign in a way that incorporates their existing interests.”
    http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080311/NEWS04/803110357

  • carbynew

    The Texas Democratic Party quit counting caucus delegates from last Tuesday’s precinct conventions because the effort at the statewide level was voluntary, and officials feel comfortable their projections are accurate. They caution, however, that delegate lists won’t be official until the state convention in June.

    Party spokesman Hector Nieto said county chairs are now processing the paperwork from the precinct caucuses in preparation for the county and senatorial conventions where they select delegates for the state convention.

    If the precinct caucus projections were accurate, the count should remain unchanged. But both campaigns will have to work to ensure that their delegates attend the next round of conventions and remain committed to their candidate. Caucus delegates can change their minds and switch candidates on March 29, Nieto said.

    Nieto said 450,000 people attended the 41 percent of precinct caucuses already counted by party officials. Based on that number, he said, the total participation was about 1 million, although the party doesn’t have a final tally.

    Although party officials were elated over the record turnouts in the primary and the caucuses, not everyone was happy. Nieto acknowledged that the party has received hundreds of complaints, particularly about the caucus process, from Democrats.

    So has the Clinton campaign, said spokeswoman Adrienne Elrod.

    “We’ve never received as many complaints as we’ve received in Texas,” Elrod said. “Easily hundreds. … It certainly caused us a lot of concern. Our No. 1 concern is making sure the voters’ rights are protected.”

    Elrod said it was “premature” of the Obama campaign to declare victory in the caucuses.

    “The process needs to take place, and the process is ongoing. It’s not final yet,” she said.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5608177.html

  • terrondt

    hi hillfans. i hope hillary can at least break 40% in mississippi.

  • jr

    Is early voting underway in Pennsylvania?? I wish so, so Hillary could grab most of the votes before Barack Obama even lands his plane in Pennsylvania.

  • Mississippi Will Be A Pyrrhic Victory For Obama
    By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
    Posted on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 08:02:05 AM EST
    By Big Tent Democrat

    According to the latest Rasmussen poll, Barack Obama has a 14 point lead in Mississippi, 53-39. But because of the demographic disparity, Obama leads by enormous margins among African-Americans and trails by enormous margins among white voters, Obama is likely to suffer, at best, a repeat of what happened in Alabama, a virtual tie in the delegate count.

    Because Alabama voted on Super Tuesday, the strange and troubling Alabama result flew under the radar. On Tuesday, Mississippi votes alone and its results will receive full coverage. A review of the Alabama result is instructive. Obama won the state by a very comfortable 56-42 margin in the popular vote. But he barely won the delegate count, 27-25, and in fact only tied Clinton in the congressional district delegate count.

    How could that happen? Well, since, like Mississippi, Alabama has a majority-minority district, most of Obama’s African American support was to be found in that congressional district. He also won the AL-3 district by a thin margin, because that district included two strong counties for Obama, Macon, heavily African-American and near Montgomery, and Lee, where Auburn University is located. Obama won the delegate count in CD-7 and CD-3, 5-2 and 3-2. But he lost most other congressional districts in Alabama and won no others. I expect he will lose all but Bennie Thompson’s 7 delegate congressional district in Mississippi. And that is a bad result for Obama, because the other 3 Mississippi Congressional districts are 5 delegate districts, insuring AT LEAST a 3-2 split for Clinton.

    More . . .

    In addition to possibly losing the delegate count in Mississippi, you will also have a full night of discussing exit polls that will say this, as they did in Alabama:

    Vote by Race

    Clinton Obama

    White (44%) 72% 25%

    A-A (51%) 15% 84%

    This is not the storyline Obama wants. And it will be discussed all night Tuesday and beyond, all the way to Pennsylvania. It will not be a good night for the Obama campaign in my opinion, despite notching another win.

    By the way, this demographic breakdown was also present in South Carolina. What is the difference now? The difference is that John Edwards is not in the race and Clinton will at least tie in the delegate count and run much closer in the popular vote.

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/9/925/32569

  • texan4hillary

    We must ask. We must vet for the good of our party.
    texan4hillary

    …..

    This evening on chicago nbc news more rezko for obama. spread it around. dems must ask:

    Why choose the man who’s under active federal investigation? Does such a man have any morals? In my book, such a man does not have morals and is only interested in the influences and monies that a “fixer” like Rezko can bring him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R-RBNxr73s

    Also-from Friday’s McLaughlin Group lots of Rezko discussion–dems should be alarmed by this trial-

    Here, from Friday night’s McLaughlin Group on PBS, you’ll hear much speculation on the Rezko trial and Obama (transcript). As a regular viewer, I always pay attention to what John McLaughlin focuses on since he’s pretty sharp. He was alone on the panel the previous Friday in predicting that Hillary would win both Texas and Ohio. He also has done excellent shows recently on the energy and infrastructure crises. (Thanks for the link, C.S.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjB4GN3uF_U

    noquarterusa.net/blog/

  • pulchritude

    I held a Hillary event today, and someone dispatched a news reporter to my meeting. So I guess I am on television.

  • wbboei

    Vote by Race

    Clinton Obama

    White (44%) 72% 25%

    A-A (51%) 15% 84%

    This is not the storyline Obama wants. And it will be discussed all night Tuesday and beyond, all the way to Pennsylvania
    ———————————————-

    Brilliant posting. It may not be the story line Barry wants but it is surely the one he deserves. After playing the race card agains others and claiming to be a victim when they push back and after allowing his surrogates to theaten to riot if he does not get the nomination he is essentially reaping what he has sewn.

    The real problem in this countryBut worse still it distracts us from the greater problem which is the economic inequality which falls heaviest on minorities. Barry ignores that issue however because he is an elitist. Thus This is not the way to capture Reagan Democrats.

  • wbboei

    Ooops wrong button. No harm done. No disguised favor to Rezco. Just an incoherent paragraph 2. which I am correcting as follows:

    The greater problem in this society is the terrible economic equality which has developed over the past decade reminicent of the Guilded Age. That burden falls on all minorities and certain whites as well. Barry is an elitist, and by no means a reformer. Therefore, he will not address that issue. But regardless of how he feels it is vitally ilmportant to Reagan Democrats. Also, it is part of the reason why 25% of Hillary’s supporters would never vote for him.

  • texan4hillary

    still counting a week later. hillary may best obama in final tx tally-much to be fought out in sd convs here mar 29
    http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/03/11/0311txdems.html

  • District 1 Clinton 4 – 1
    District 2 Obama 5 – 2
    District 3 Clinton 3 – 2
    District 4 Clinton 3 – 2
    At Large Obama 6 – 5

    This is my dream of the delegate distribution tonight Hillary wins the delegate count 17 – 16 even though Obama wins the popular vote. Remember the 69′ Mets and Tug McGraw “You gotta believe”

  • wbboei

    Watch how the media misrepresents what is said:

    Here is what Governor Rendell said when he was asked if Clinton would accept veep: I cannot speak for her but I think she’d give it some serious consideration, as I hope Sen. Obama would if the roles were reversed.”

    In other word, Rendell made a precatory statment about party unity, which was applicable to both candidates, and he qualified it by saying he could not speak for her. And she is on record with Couric saying she would go back to the senate if she did not win.

    Yet the headline reads: Rendell: says Clinton would give serious consideration to veep.

    Bullshit.

  • winhillary

    Wtf happened to Spitzer? Well this isn’t the best news for the dems but I really dont think it should have a major impact on the party or Hillary Clinton. I find it shocking though!

  • wbboei

    The threat of gridlock has touched off talk of holding new contests in Michigan and Florida, which were stripped of delegates because they held their primaries in January, earlier than party rules allow. Debates over the form new contests would take, and how to pay for them, are riven by conflicting agendas: Mrs. Clinton’s need for more big-state wins versus Mr. Obama’s need to preserve his delegate lead; his preference for caucuses versus hers for primaries.

    There is no justification on earth for a caucus. Just look at the mess we have in Texas right now. Evidently Obama wants a system that results in voter suppression and intimidation by his thugs. He wants to corrupt the process because that is the only way he can win.

  • winhillary

    I knew al sharpton would cry is way all the way to court for mr Bambi! He will sue if the delegates are seated because his ministry didn’t get to vote! That is the problem we face, lets redo this thing and smoke out saint OBama!!!!!

  • winhillary

    I should sue for this corruption in caucuses. Even my friend that supports this guy says that it is completely unfair! I really hope we can do something about this!

  • Independent Ben

    Good morning folks,

    @rjk, what you posted about Mississippi is so true, and I think Obama’s using of race again with the “hoodwink” crap will make it even worse. That stuff tends to drive white voters away from him.

    @wbboei, it looks like Florida is going to go forward with a proposal for a mail-in primary, but not everybody in Florida supports it. They’re estimating they could get a 3-4 million turnout for it. How is it gonna look if the Obama camp stonewalls that – is afraid to let those voters be heard?

  • Independent Ben

    Obama’s wins in Wyoming and Mississippi mean nothing – but the Mississippi results could even be bad for him. We’ll see if the media try to spin these as “big” wins and that Obama has great momentum (a joke!).

    It’s all about Pennsylvania really. If Hillary wins there by double digits, I really think it will make her competitive in Indiana and North Carolina shortly after. I’m in NC, and I really feel she can win here.

  • AmericanGal

    Morning all,

    People over at TM are saying that Obama was making speeches last night blaming Hillary for that debunked Somali photo. I believe he earlier took her word for it at the debate that her campaign had nothing to do with it but now he’s blaming her for it in front of black voters. Obama not playing the race card?
    Yeah right…

    I hope the campaign brings this up today so it gets out there in the media. That along with his using words like “hoodwinked” and “Okie doke” again will just highlight what he has been doing all along in this campaign..

  • Ann

    Does anyone have any youtube videos of BO’s Mississippi?

  • Independent Ben

    Ann, there’s a number of videos on Taylor Marsh’s site. But I didn’t look at all the one posted by readers

  • Independent Ben

    american gal, it appears that much of the media are actually cheering Obama doing playing the “hoodwink” “bamboozle” card with his phoney black, southern accent. It’s truly disgusting.

  • AmericanGal

    The comments Obama made re: somali photo should be newsworthy as they directly contradict what he said earlier. If I were the Hillary camp I would at least try to get the media to address that fact.

  • curiosityhasme

    Don’t have redo’s. Look at the demographics of the US Postal System. Talk about a gazillion los”chains-of-command”. Ballots won’t be received or retrieved. They (ballots) will be in the Gulf, the Atlantic, and Lake Okechobee (sp?), and the Great Lakes. There are all sorts of ways for the DNC (Dean et al) to hijack any “redone” elections. Not a possibility for federal employees to participate in that? Oh, I see. Sort of like Trinity United Church of Christ not preaching from the bully pulpit (IRS)? Euww. They’re really scared. Since when do certain demographical groups have tto abide by the law without any fear of retribution? You only have to look as far as the Texas caucus’ on March 4. I know. I was there. NO REDO’S!!!!! Let’s meet them in Denver – storm the convention and have a friggin’ showdown. We will not be intimidated!!!!!!!!!

  • SpacegirlArt

    Morning all!

    “Obama was making speeches last night blaming Hillary for that debunked Somali photo”

    if this is true, it makes me so damn mad. We really DO need a video of this. He “accepts” Senator Clinton’s comments that it did not come from her camp (and WE KNOW IT DID NOT), yet he gets out there AGAIN
    and says ONE THING while having DONE ANOTHER. This guy is the biggest Phony. And WTF with Brazile & Co. WHY ON EARTH do they want him so badly.Whhy BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Not that he is QUALIFIED, or GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY…he is a neophyte politician with a dirty past and there is NO WAY you can tell me that all the AA voters and MOST of the white voters are voting for him because of his platform or policies. My guess is that if you asked, 99 out of one undred people in Mississippi or many other places couldn’t even tell you where Afghanistan IS, let alone tell you Obama’s policy position on that most dangerous of contries.

    This makes me sice. Race-based voting. And a hell of a way to pick a President.

  • SpacegirlArt

    As for Florida Mail-in…locally there is great concern for fraud. We have already had a great deal of fraud in South Florida in ballots in the past. Dr. Susan McMannus of USF was again on the radio today saying thhat a PARTY CONTROLLED election was filled with potential for problems, and that the State Legislature needs to get involved, but if they do so in a HURRY, that the potential for legal action is still great, as bad legislation may well be crafted. She brought up Al Sharpton running all over the State trying to gaiin support for a system in which Barack Obama would WIN, and that that is problematic in and of itself. She again referred to the RECORD voter turnout and has some problems with anything but a Dem only PRIMARY here.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Hi Idunn

  • SpacegirlArt

    Monday, Mar. 10, 2008
    Can Clinton Make Mississippi a Race?
    By Jay Newton-Small/Washington

    Even Wayne Dowdy, the head of the Mississippi Democratic Party, thinks Barack Obama will win his state’s primary on Tuesday, and it’s Dowdy’s job not to take sides. Yet there are good reasons for Obama to be anxiously watching the returns today.

    Black voters in Texas didn’t show up in record numbers for Obama — turning out, as a percentage of the vote, in lower numbers than in 2004. The Obama campaign is hoping the low turnout was a one-time fluke; if it wasn’t, states like Mississippi, where black voters made up 56% of primary voters in 2004, could get a lot tougher to win for the Illinois senator — not to mention states like Pennsylvania, where blacks made up roughly 13%.

    “Senator Obama will carry Mississippi,” Dowdy said in an interview. “But Senator Clinton will be competitive. Senator Clinton will get a number of the delegates because she had a good base in Mississippi.”

    At least one poll has Hillary Clinton surprisingly close given the state’s demographics. An Insider Advantage poll of 412 registered voters taken on March 6 found Obama leading Clinton 46% to 40%. The poll also contained two other surprises: Obama led Clinton among women, usually a Clinton stronghold, 51% to 39%, while Clinton led Obama among Republican voters (68% to 29%) and Independents (53% to 23%). The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

    “There is some good news for Clinton in this survey. First, she is winning independent voters. Second, we have heard rumors that Republicans voters might engage in the primary in higher than normal numbers, so that they can vote for Clinton, and thus keep the Democratic battle going. There is some evidence that this trend might be developing,” said InsiderAdvantage’s Matt Towery. “Finally, Clinton has a demographic that she could possibly go after to gain votes. She currently trails among women in Mississippi, but leads among men. If she could turn the uniqueness of becoming the first woman President into a major talking point, she might make additional progress with Mississippi women.”

    At the same time, two other polls, ARG and Rasmussen, show Obama leading by 24 and 14 percentage points respectively. And although the primary is open, voters must have registered 30 days ago to vote, which could limit the number of Republicans making a last-minute decision to back Clinton. But the limited registration may also hurt Obama. “The heat of a campaign matters in getting people engaged,” says Bob Brown, a political science professor at the University of Mississippi. “Thirty days ago, that heat didn’t exist in Mississippi — not nearly as much as it does now anyway. So it’s possible that depressed registration may have an impact on turnout.”

    Clinton isn’t simply ceding the state’s 33 pledged delegates. She aired both TV and radio ads on Monday. She has an office in Jackson and a 300-person steering committee. She has spent two full days campaigning there as have her husband, former President Bill Clinton, and daughter Chelsea — though Bill Clinton tried to play down expectations with reporters in Mississippi over the weekend. “We got started late,” he said. “We started behind organizationally.”

    Obama, taking nothing for granted, spent Monday campaigning in Jackson, Greenville and Columbus, where his town hall meeting drew a crowd of 1,700 people, according to the Columbus Fire Marshal Todd Weathers. He has seven offices statewide and is running two TV ads plus radio advertisements. “I think you can expect to see Obama win in a fairly easy fashion,” Brown said. “Mississippi is not exactly what you would call ‘Hillary country,’ and I suspect she is viewed with some suspicion even among Democrats, most of whom are fairly conservative.”

    For better or for worse, today’s results are likely to be picked over again and again for any kind of trends — blacks, whites, men, women, young, old — as Misssissippi is the last state to vote for the next six weeks, until Pennsylvania’s April 22 primary. As they like to say in Mississippi, this election will now start running slower than molasses rolling uphill in January.

  • SpacegirlArt

    LOL!

    Saw this headline and thought it was a story about Oprah

    “The Shamu Lady Is Back!”

  • curiosityhasme

    I will be a delegate in our Texas county convention on March 29. Although this county was won by Obama, good luck in trying to pry any vote away from HRC. Over my cold, dead body. Oops, better not say that out loud. Seriously, folks – there has been so many subtle (threats) acts of intimidation out there, that in a heavily overall “Obama” voting area, you can be targeted for Hillary yard signs (drive-by’s). I kid you not. And this is the person – playing the race card constantly – “hoodwinked, bamboozle, okey dokey”, along with his “persecution-complex” wife who is going to be the leader of the free world? Why aren’t the Jewish leaders (except Switzer) leading the charge AGAINST this guy with ties to the Palestinians and the Middle East, over his association with Wright-Farrakhan for crying out loud?!?!? I look for there to be some real brawls and strong arm tactics at my county convention, and I intend to capture it all on video. Anybody got suggestions for the smallest, most compact digital recorder? I’m in the market for a new one. Think all HRC delegates to our county conventions should do the same.

  • SpacegirlArt

    curiosity…there have been many open threats by Obama supporters (and I assume just stupid trouble makers) on the internet as well. The most radical describe this ELECTION PROCESS as a revolution and a movement to take over the government with Obama at the helm. The most egregious of these, along with a few websites I have found promoting anarchy, and statements from POLITICAL LEADERS threatening violence, I have passed along to those who should care…including Donna Brazile, and some security officials, IN HOPES that OBAMA will come out and make a public statement about the strong arm tactics and threats being used throughout his campaign. Let it be said that I am sure there are Clinton supporters who can be just as big in the A-hole department, but her demographic overall belies the implication that the numbers are just as large.

    The fact that Senator OObama, nor anny one of these DNC OFFICIALS have said a WORD about this, is tacit approval of these tactics in our democracy. And because of that, they must be held personally responsible for any harm that may come to supporters of Senator Clinton at the convention or annywhere else.

    If Senator Obama is a “uniter” he needs to wave his magic wand NOW and stop this before we read headlines in August that Denver has erupted in flames with little old ladies, there to support a first woman President, have been beaten and killed.

  • plural

    Jake Tapper seems to have the story about BO reviving the photo flap:

    “Obama: “When in the midst of a campaign you decide to throw the kitchen sink at your opponent because you’re behind, and you start, your campaign starts leaking photos of me when I’m traveling overseas wearing native clothes of those folks, to make people afraid, then you run an ad talking about who’s going to answer the phone at three in the morning, an ad straight out of the Republican playbook, that’s not real change. That’s not real change. That’s the same old thing.” ”

    — Jackson, Mississippi, March 10, 2008

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-flips-on.html

  • dot48

    EVERYBODY LISTEN UP

    JUST SPOKE WITH CNN COMMENT LINE THIS MORNING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS “NO” COVERAGE OF HILLARY YESTERDAY AND SHE TOLD ME THAT:

    ‘THIS IS A DECISION BY THE PRODUCERS”

    ————–

    WE NEED TO BOMBARD CNN WITH PROTESTS ….

    CALL 1-404-827-1500

    also, here is a list that you can use to contact all the networks … need to contact each individual show

    CNN NETWORK PRODUCERS ARE TRYING TO ERASE HER FROM THE WORLD

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

    The gal I spoke to had a canned answer already…I asked her why would they refuse to cover a major presidential candidate and she repeated “it is a network producers decision”

    THIS IS EQUIVILENT TO CHRIS MATTHEWS AND DAVID SHUSTER .. CNN NEEDS TO HEAR YOUR COMPLAINTWS

  • curiosityhasme

    SpacegirlArt:

    It’s so encouraging that you and others “get it”, and in a big way. We are NOT being overly dramatic. This physical intimidation is just one smidgen harder push away from violence. And you are exactly right about the DNC not issuing a statemenet denouncing any use of intimidation – verbal, physical, or otherwise implied. What we are witnessing is Civil vs. Uncivilized Behavior. So what if Ghandi, MLK and Chavez made strides with NONVIOLENT protests? THEY were civilized. The make-up of the Obama supporters, by and large, are extensions of MO – they’ve drawn a line in the proverbial sand, and are not open to discussion. They will not take a seat at the table, because they are lined up at that line in the sand, and if you try to engage them in a meaningful discussion (civilized), they interrupt you like their idiot spokesperson Sharpton, with his intimidating blowhard tactics. This has all the makings for huge riots bacause Clinton supporters, although civilized, WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED INTO RETREAT. The failure of Howard Dean is so profound at this point, I think the Clinton campaign should be calling for his removal as the leader of the DNC. I think all of America, except for Obamans, would cheer and shout (like laughing-stock Dean did) HRC for having the guts to do it – and showing the SD that she will not allow the party to negate her candidacy.

  • debbie

    plural,

    did BHO just call Mondale a republican???

    “then you run an ad talking about who’s going to answer the phone at three in the morning, an ad straight out of the Republican playbook”

  • curiosityhasme

    Thanks for the heads-up on CNN not covering Hillary. Can’t believe all I watch is FOX. Who would have “thunk?” Will send blistering emails, and comments (that they never print).

  • debbie

    dot48,

    I thought that was quite amazing too..

    The visuals of all those people lined up to see Hillary in Stanton was newsworthy in and of itself. (local station broadcasted)

    instead we got hoodwinked, bamboozled and okie doked with an endorsement by the MSM

  • debbie

    folks one of the most effect ways one can get to the media is through their advertisers….don’t forget to forward your emails, letters, calls to them as well.

  • meiyingsu

    HUBdate: Homecoming
    by Howard Wolfson, Communications Director3/11/2008 9:07:15 AMToday’s Front Page: “Homecoming for Hillary.” Senator Clinton graces the front page of the Scranton Times-Tribune. “She sure is loved here.” Yesterday, thousands of “wildly enthusiastic supporters frequently interrupted” Hillary’s speech with “loud cheers” in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Read more.

    Family Ties: Hillary has deep family roots in Pennsylvania. Hillary’s great-grandparents came to Scranton in the 1880’s, her grandfather worked for 50 years at the Scranton Lace Company, and her father was born and raised in Scranton and played football for Penn State. Hillary was christened in Scranton and spent her summers at the family cabin on Lake Winola.

    Help Hillary: From the comfort of their own homes, volunteers throughout America will encourage people voting today in Mississippi to support Hillary. Though the campaign’s easy to use online calling tool, volunteers will call targeted voters. To help Hillary by making calls, click here.

    Previewing Today: Democrats vote in Mississippi… Hillary holds rallies in Harrisburg and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania… President Bill Clinton hosts events in Washington and Center Township and meets with voters in Canonsburg, Pennsylvania… Chelsea gets out the vote in Jackson, Mississippi and opens a campaign office in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

    In Case You Missed It: Sen. Obama gave at least his fifth different explanation for a meeting he finally acknowledged took place between his senior economic advisor and Canadian officials regarding NAFTA. At the meeting, the advisor downplayed Obama’s anti-NAFTA speeches as just campaign rhetoric. Get the facts.

  • clintondem99

    This is what I sent CNN:

    You have the most biased presidential election coverage. Your wall to wall coverage of bashing Hillary Clinton makes me want to puke. I am surprised that you call yourselves journalists. I believe you are nothing more than cheerleaders for Sen. Obama. I wish more people ridicule you just as SNL did. I am sure that would not bother you because you totally lack journalistic integrity.

  • European

    I have already complained several times to CNN, especially about that dumbass Cafferty of which I would really like to know the qualifications to present him and his stupidity to a world audience.

    I always ended my letters with a change of their slogan: CNN – News you can (NOT) trust.

    Never received an answer though. 🙁

  • hawk

    Spacegirl, LOVE the oprah-shamu thing lol!!! 🙂

  • hawk

    Off to Italian

  • Universal

    curiosityhasme:

    You got it exactly right. The Obama buffoons are relying on HRC supporters to ‘back down’ to their bullying, despicable tactics.

    Uh-uh.

    Ok, I’m off to write CNN about their bias.

  • SpacegirlArt

    DOT…I ave called CNN and left my 2 cents. I couldn’t stay and hole for a real person as I have to get to work and am late now. I also copied your post and sent it to the Clinton Campaign, and called the Clinton Campaign Press office. I suggest you all do the same. This ADMITTED Soviet-style censorship of a MAJOR POLITICAL CANDIDATE MUST BE STOPPED.

    Also, I only got a voice mail in the Press room but left a long and SCATHING message about CNN and that this needs to be told. I have updated my diary with your information. PLEASE GO THERE AND PUSH THIS ONE UP http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/10/174711/620. Thanks for posting your info. I am so livid at their admitted censorship I could spit.

    I have to head to work now, but I will be back tonight to watch Racist BO win in Mississippi with you all.

  • Universal

    Here’s the email I just sent CNN.com:
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    I, and many I know, are tired of Hillary Clinton being slighted. Why wasn’t there any coverage of her returning to her hometown of Scranton yesterday? Is it because CNN.com seems to have ties with Oprah.com? Are you guys trying to ‘outdo’ MSNBC in terms of fawning for Obama?

    I thought that Saturday Night Live’s well-deserved skits about the media’s bias would have helped your network return to more objective coverage of the Democratic nomination process. I am sad to conclude I was wrong.

    For now, I will be resuming watching Fox News Channel until you are able to have more objective coverage. I know that you are happy and proud that you are #1 at 8pm, 9pm, etc.; however, if you continue to have such stilted presentation, you are likely to lose your top-dog status, once again, to your competitors. Thank you.

  • mj

    He won’t lose Mississippi. I can not believe anyone would even suggest that, hased on TX turn out.

  • mj

    No one is buying his take on the ad. If that’s the best he has we are in good shape.

  • mj

    rjk, I am not trying to offend anyone. I could care a less as well. But I’ve heard this from a political scientist.

  • debbie

    here is one I sent:

    Your loopsided coverage of the 2008 Presidential race is disgusting. The last I looked there are 2 democratic candidates. Funny, I seemed to only see Mr. Obama coverage on your show….ALL DAY. Frankly I welcomed the Spitzer story just to have a change from all your swooning.

    Instead of “competing for the emotional punch”, and the almighty ad dollar, you may want to heed the advice of Steve Geimann, president of the Society of Professional Journalists . ”The independence that the journalist seeks is separate from the preoccupations of the ad-gathering process, and when journalism values and business values come into conflict, the journalist always has to come down on the side of the readers.”

    Responsiblility and Excellence are shattered by your “ad gathering process”, in other words…your greed. Your journalists are mere puppets.

    No wonder the world is turning you off, refusing your papers and turning to the internet. We can find more substantive information there without all the bias and all the corporate meddling in our lives. You are becoming obsolete and will continue on the path to irrelevance.

  • clintondem99

    Jesse Jackson grabbed 45 percent of the vote in the Mississippi Democratic primary when he ran for the White House in 1988.

    Al Gore, at the time a senator from Tennessee, came in second with 33 percent of the vote. More than 359,000 people voted in that year’s Democratic primary. Only 76,000 people cast ballots in the 2004 contest, which John Kerry won overwhelmingly.

  • dot48

    Space…can’t find that diary…

  • Universal

    Great job, debbie!

    🙂

  • mj

    Notice when Repubs vote for BO, the media says he’s appealling to them. When they vote Hillary, it’s a scheme.

  • dot48

    We need to pushback at CNN. While I don’t watch them .. it’s the principle of what they are doing.

    Wolf BlisterAss and CandyAssCrawley ruined coverage for me with them a long time ago. Still, for them to advertise as the TOP news organization in America and to CHOOSE to deny legit coverage on a campaign.

    Shouldn’t there be something the FCC could do about that? OkieAtty…let me know about what is possible along those lines.

  • dot48

    Wasn’t there a list of sponsors somewhere the other day for CNN.

    I’ll see if I can round them up again.

  • meiyingsu

    Clinton Speech Excerpts Preview Today’s “Solutions for America” Rally in Harrisburg, PA

    Below are excerpts of Hillary Clinton’s prepared remarks for this afternoon’s “Solutions for America” rally in Harrisburg, PA:

    After seven years of an energy policy written by and for the oil companies – with help from Dick Cheney – oil has now reached $107 a barrel – and gas prices in some areas are approaching $4 a gallon.

    I understand Senator Obama is talking about energy today, right here in Pennsylvania. And that’s great. But talking about problems is easy. Solving problems is hard. And speeches are no substitute for solutions. Speeches won’t lower gas prices, stop climate change, or lessen our dependence on oil from Saudi Arabia.

    The true test comes when it’s time to match rhetoric with results. And unfortunately, we’ve seen that Senator Obama’s promises and speeches are often just words.

    On the campaign trail, Senator Obama talks about clean energy. But in the Senate, he voted for Dick Cheney’s energy bill loaded with new tax breaks for oil companies. When he faced a tough choice, his support for a clean energy future turned out to be just words.

    It’s like how he talks about fixing NAFTA. But his top economic adviser assured the Canadian government that he wouldn’t really follow through. His position? Just words.

    Senator Obama promises to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months. But his top foreign policy adviser said he’s not really going to rely on that plan. I guess that plan is just words, too.

    We need a president who will solve problems. Who will fight for our families long after the speeches are over and the cameras are gone. That’s the choice in this campaign: Solutions you can rely on – versus words you can’t.

  • another_reader

    i can’t believe obama making that speech just flat out saying hrc campaign sent out that photo, which is totally untrue. it makes me so angry.. but the media lied about it in the first place..

  • tiburones

    Wow! Where did you guys get that excerpt from? If that is for real, then she is really turning up the heat and I like it! Let’s see him try to W.O.R.M. his way out of those snafus.

    i see what she is trying to do:
    1. Weave a tale of distrust- we can’t trust him as he doublespeak
    2. Throw cold water on his rhetoric and lofty speeches- #1 ties into #2 as he will say anything on the campaign trail but do the opposite and the problem never gets solves.

  • meiyingsu

    tiburones, the excerpt is from hillary’s web site.

  • European

    she should add that he makes big speeches about winning in Afghanistan, while he dib not even once hold a meeting of that European/Nato/ oversight commission…

  • Good morning everyone. Besides building and maintaining leads in racially diverse blue collar states (of which Mississippi is not one and has probably 70% AA), the only thing that matters right now is making Obambi *less electable* in the eyes of the super-delegates (in GE) and making Hillary “more electable* in the eyes of the super-delegates (in GE). That is the strategy going forward in my opinion.

  • tiburones

    meiyingsu Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 10:47 am
    tiburones, the excerpt is from hillary’s web site.

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    Thanks. Now, he is on her turf now. I will call tirelessly for HRC as I would so like to see her win PA by 15pts. AA population is only 11% and I believe PA has more Hispanics than OH, 4.2& vs 2.2%.

    I use to live in MD and would visit PA all the time, areas like Reading and lancaster will go PA all the way. I only see him making inroads in Philly and a bit in Pittsburg.

    Amish country will not vote for him or the outlying areas.

  • terrondt

    hillfans, i hope hillary does better than expected in mississippi.

  • I should add, seating Florida (as is) is imperative. Michigan’s popular vote is the only thing I care about.

  • Independent Ben

    I can’t believe media spin today. On MSNBC, pundits were saying that tonight will likely be a “big” night for Bambi and that, combined with his “big” win in Wyoming, he will likely be on another “roll.” LOL

    How many Democratic voters went to the caucus in Wyoming? I think it was somewhere in 6,000. And of course, we’ve seen this thing in MS play out before. However, I think punidits may be a bit surprised, if MS results look more like what occurred in AL, with Hillary getting almost an even share of the delegates. Bambi’s attempt to play the “bamboozle” card in MS will probably backfire by driving white voters away.

  • Independent Ben….there is going to be a positive news spin toward Bambi. Hillary just needs to blunt this in some fashion. There is a long time before PA and the news this week and next will matter very little heading up to that state.

  • carbynew

    kaffeen Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 10:54 am
    Good morning everyone. Besides building and maintaining leads in racially diverse blue collar states (of which Mississippi is not one and has probably 70% AA), the only thing that matters right now is making Obambi *less electable* in the eyes of the super-delegates (in GE) and making Hillary “more electable* in the eyes of the super-delegates (in GE). That is the strategy going forward in my opinion.
    ****************************************************
    Well that’s easy since Obambi has done most of the work for us already and he seem to be the type that keeps on giving.

    Remember, Chicago strong arm tactics don’t work that well on the national level and the more his campaign and surrogates throw the race card, threatens to riot and outright violence on other dems and delegates….shows he doesn’t have the Leadership ability to run this country and will convince the swing voters that McCain is the goto guy if Obambi is the Dems nominee.

    Look how Sens. Clinton and McCain are trying to be bridge builders while Obambi is trying to burn up the bridge. Team Obambi is looking too much like a 3rd world Team Dictator.

    btw I loved, loved The Maclaughlin video. Too bad they are the exception and the rule anymore….so I’m going to keep on posting that video in my posts for awhile.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjB4GN3uF_U

  • Independent Ben

    These pundits are just idiots. This one guy just said to pay attention to how Bambi does with lower income voters. This state means nothing in regard to looking at a demographic like that, when 58% of Democratic voters are AA. That will skew the results in those demographics. But pundits will say: Obama has cut into her base! lol

    If Obama can’t show that he can win blue collar voters in a large, diverse state like Ohio or Pennsyvania, it is simply bad news for him in the GE.

  • Universal

    another reader:

    Bambi has two more states to really push his whole bullsh*t, race-politics agenda: Tonight (MS) and North Carolina. And then — *poof* — expect him to play the ‘who, me, talk about race?’ card. It’s horsebleep.

    The media is a joke. Tonight and WY means ‘on a roll.’ Oh, yeah, those 9,000 Wyoming voters decided everything for 300 million people. Give me a break.

    And MS has the highest proportional AA population rate of any state in the nation, I believe. Which is totally cool, BTW. But to think that is the beginning of a ‘roll’ that would supersede Texas and Ohio (and RI) is either ignorant or a poor joke.

  • debbie

    I believe Hillary does best when she stays on message. I think the ‘surrogates’ can do the fighting for her. People are looking for substance and to get caught in the back and forth flow of a cat fight diminishes her as a leader.

    She has spoken without revealing much in negativity. That works. As it is the media is pouncing over everything she says trying to find a hidden meaning,
    and when they can’t find it, they speculate, even forcefully, about what THEY think she is saying. She is wise not to let them frame her message.

    This may be why they give her so little air time..she won’t play their game!

  • Universal

    Independent Ben — you got it. Expect JUST that ‘analysis’ tonight. LOL.

    The best thing is that it won’t make one bit of difference in PA 5 weeks from now, what the media tries to portray. The voters know, and they are pretty much locked-in, except for those voters moving away from BHO and to HRC. I wrote a diary about this recently at MyDD. What Super Tuesday II showed is that no bogus ‘winning streak’ by BHO, nor the media, nor the Clinton Hatred is moving her voters one bit. Just the opposite, actually.

    The results tonight, no matter how the media wants to try to spin them, are very likely to be bad news for
    BHO. And that’s what will be talked about for weeks, long after shill attempts at the ‘low income voters have found BHO!” are gone and exposed for the fraudulence they are.

    After tonight, one more caucus (Guam, which is essentially meaningless) and one more heavily-AA state (NC, which is moving towards HRC). That’s it; no more non-democratic, tilted demographic ‘rescues’ for Bambi.

  • dot48

    Columbus, Mississippi .. not one person I spoke with over the last hour intends to vote for Hillary.

    Looked up the demo for this area and it’s predominately black.

    I hope the fact that I’m banking in Columbus Miss only means that white areas already been called.

  • debbie

    I’d never presume to know all there is about campaigns, but I’ve been around a few. I think Maggie Williams is brilliant in her handling of Hillary. (in no way does this look down on the fantastic work by Patti, I see it as a tag team)

    While I sometimes laugh at myself and many of us in here at our emotional outrages, the Hillary team is calculating every single move and every single word spoken to get the maximum effect.
    They are masters at tactics and strategies. Not for a minute, do I think, they have not planned for the responses they get from the BHO gang. Seriously, it’s brilliant. And whats even better the more that BHO says the angrier we get, and fight harder.

    Brilliant.

  • mj

    I don’t know. I think Hill should have more surrogates out there making these arguments. She shouldn’t always have to be the one setting the record straight. Dot, how many voters did you call?

  • carbynew

    After tonight, one more caucus (Guam, which is essentially meaningless) and one more heavily-AA state (NC, which is moving towards HRC). That’s it; no more non-democratic, tilted demographic ‘rescues’ for Bambi.
    *****************************************************
    Universal I love this quote and you’re so freakin right about that…no more rescues for BAMBI.

  • Forget Miss….there is a majority of AA’s in that state. They will break overwhelmingly for Bambi. I don’t even plan to watch the returns tonight.

  • debbie

    dot48,

    gosh it would be sad to tell them “told you so” , but blind they are to follow BHO.

  • Independent Ben

    Something needs to be done about Bambi lying to voters and blaming that stupid picture on the Clinton campaign. It’s utterly ridiculous. Do you think if a Hillary surrogate really did it, they would actually put wording on the picture implicating their own campaign?

    And he agreed in that debate to give that matter a rest.

  • carbynew

    Obama aide: No 2-for-1
    Whatever the strategies, a joint ticket is often suggested to Obama as he campaigns.

    “What he lacks, I think she complements,” said Nakikke Wallace, a student counselor from Baldwyn, Miss., who attended Obama’s event here. “Together, it would be a force I don’t think the Republicans would be ready for.”

    Still, Wallace said she wants to see Obama at the top of the ticket. “He’s most popular, he’s male and he can really motivate you,” she said.

    Obama’s top strategist, David Axelrod, called Clinton’s suggestions a “tactic that needed to be punctured,” as he suggested she is trying to leverage his popularity. “What they are trying to do is say, ‘Vote for me and you get Obama,’ ” he said.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-campaign-obama-vp-mar11,0,3970512,print.story
    ****************************************************
    I love it! Obama has set the terms and he can’t blame the Clintons when he is not on the ticket.

    I know for a fact that folks working for Obama always talked about Obama plan being the VP and that was their back up plan to force the VP on Hillary but they have forgotten that they are running for POTUS and not a Senate race.

    Which means you have to factor in the Electoral College calculations…and Team Obama comes up short BIG TIME. And Democrats want to WIN the WHITE HOUSE again and don’t want to run a bunch of LOSERS that can’t beat the Repugs…you know the ones Donna Brazille and others have run before…and it seems like OBAMBI is in that same mold.

    I didn’t see a Time magazine cover calling OBAMBI the FIGHTER like they did HILLARY…instead they used all these terms that Bill Bradley and John Kerry has and see where that got you with the CORE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS….Repugs Presidents.

    Except when Bill Clinton won TWO TERMS with the aid of Sen. Clinton.

  • dot48

    3 more to that list ..

    Only one white person and unfortunately had to leave a message.

    2 more AA .. definitely obama. Some are rude, others seem like they are being pressured a lot to gather round Obama.

    I wonder whether Hillary should have courted the white areas of Mississippi in a big way.

  • birdgal

    National coverage is important, but local coverage is equally important at this point in point, since Hillary hopes to have a big win in PA. She needs to move on, and not get stuck on everything that BO is doing. One has to pick their battles. BO is the one making the big deal out of that picture, which is not a big deal. She needs to take the high road. BO’s campaign sure gets their panties in a bunch over every little thing that Hillary’s campaign does or doesn’t do. If big media isn’t covering her, hopefully, it come back to bite them. Yesterday, Spitzer was the big story.

  • hawk

    I heard we have a HUGE lead with whites in Mississippi, even though there are not many white dems, and a huge lead with republicans, like 60 something %.

  • Joe Friday

    HILLARY RALLY

    Philadelphia – NOON EST

    Live Streaming:

    w*w.abclocal.go.com/wpvi/

    Big red banner top of page.

  • mj

    He’s male??? LOL

  • mj

    My feeling is Hill didnt push too hard in Miss because she didn’t want this very racialized looking outcome.

  • hawk

    Good feed on this site
    whptv.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=53653

  • carbynew

    In Developer’s Trial, E-Mail Note Cites an Obama Role
    By CATRIN EINHORN
    CHICAGO — An e-mail message made public on Monday in the fraud trial of Antoin Rezko, a businessman and political contributor, brought attention to Senator Barack Obama’s role in discussions involving a state health planning board that Mr. Rezko is accused of improperly influencing.

    The message indicated that Mr. Obama, now a Democratic presidential candidate, and other top Illinois politicians consulted in 2003 on legislation to keep the board, which approved the construction of health facilities, from expiring under sunset provisions in state law.

    The vaguely worded message also seemed to raise the possibility that Mr. Obama, who at the time was chairman of the Illinois Senate’s health committee, had been involved in recommending candidates for the board.

    Mr. Rezko is accused of using his influence in state government to stack the board with associates, including some who made political contributions to Mr. Obama and other top Illinois politicians, and of seeking a bribe on a hospital project.

    But David Wilhelm, a former campaign adviser to Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich of Illinois who asked that the e-mail message be written, said in an interview that he had never talked about the appointment process to Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama has said he had nothing to do with Mr. Rezko’s activities with the board.

    Mr. Obama has not been accused of any wrongdoing, and his name is expected to come up only tangentially during the trial. But given his tight race against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, each mention of Mr. Obama’s name is being closely watched.

    In the e-mail message, Matthew Pickering, who worked for Mr. Wilhelm, told Susan Lichtenstein, who was then Governor Blagojevich’s general counsel, that he was writing at the behest of Mr. Wilhelm, who is also a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

    Mr. Pickering said he and Mr. Wilhelm had “worked closely” over six months with several state legislators to extend the life of the health facilities board. He then listed Democratic and Republican leaders in the state House and Senate, including Mr. Obama.

    Mr. Pickering’s message went on to suggest four candidates to serve on the board, stating that “our attached recommendations reflect that involvement” with the political leaders.

    The trial is providing a look into political influence in the administration of Mr. Blagojevich, who also has not been charged with any wrongdoing. Mr. Rezko’s lawyers introduced the e-mail message in an effort to show that a wide range of the state’s political leaders, and not just Mr. Rezko, were involved in decisions involving the health board.

    Campaign finance records show that at least three Rezko associates who sat on the hospital board made substantial donations to Mr. Blagojevich and to Mr. Obama in 2003 and 2004.

    Mr. Obama’s spokesman, Bill Burton, has said the senator knew nothing about those appointments, and he repeated that last night. Mr. Obama has given the donations from the three Rezko associates to charity.

    Mr. Wilhelm, who is supporting Mr. Obama for president, said in the interview that there was “never a discussion between Barack Obama and me or anyone who worked for me about candidates for this board.” Mr. Wilhelm said he viewed the e-mail message as “a nonstory.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/us/11rezko.html?ref=us&pagewanted=print
    *****************************************************
    ObamBI is as dirty as they come but Michelle is not dumb when it comes to playing the Daley machine moneygrap…as her father with a precient Captain for the 8th ward in Chicago.

    Since I do know a little about how to hide the money, since my relatives were involve in Chicago politics…It’s all about patonage and power and how you buy influence.

    The first thing is to set-up TRUST FUNDS and School Funds and funnel the money to the sorces. Never do busines in you name but in the name of the spouse and children or parents…down the line.

    Then you start up a business, non-profit or get elected, appointed on a Board that has access to zoning, permits, housing, hospital, and education because it’s easy the hid money. Better yet is pension funds under these areas…but Cultural agency is another money drop…so to follow the money…look at Michelle Obama and how she is an inside player in Daley Machine in Chicago and all her JOBS has been connected to the machine.

  • mj

    Via Ben Smith Politico:
    Obama backer revives Clinton sex scandals

    Another sign of the anger in Obamaland at the Clinton campaign: an
    email from a member of Obama’s LGBT leadership council, Maxim Thorne,
    to a couple of listservs:

    “We cannot tolerate her lies and stolen election,” Thorne wrote of
    Clinton, revisiting familiar themes:

    At 3am, Hillary said she and Bill were in bed and she knows of all
    the calls a President gets at different times of the day and night.
    Really? So much involvement – so much togetherness. Where was she
    when Monica was having sex with Bill? 35 years of experience? When he
    was intimidating Katherine Wiley and Paula Jones? Where was the
    judgment on the cattle futures and white water. Do we forget Mark and
    Denise Rich? This was an impeached President who lost his license to
    practice law. He committed perjury. They settled with Paula Jones for
    the full amount of her lawsuit. I haven’t forgotten and none of us
    should.

    “These comments have no place in this campaign,” said Obama spokesman
    Tommy Vietor, who couldn’t immediately say whether Thorne would be
    leaving his position with the campaign.

    UPDATE: Vietor said Thorne is resigning from the leadership council,
    and that the campaign has accepted his resignation.

  • hawk

    Obama and his surrogates will say anything to get elected…..

  • mj

    Hawk, I absolutely agree. I don’t think this was an accident.

  • clintondem99

    Mitchell B$$ch is saying that Elliot Spitzer scandal is a negative to Hillary. They are so shameless and stop at nothing.

  • dot48

    WOW, Again, she is loved in Pa. Impressed with the large AA presence on stage who are definitely supporters.

    Love the sign “Ready from Day One to Vote For Hillary”

    She is a RockStar!!!!!!!!!!

  • mollyjrichards

    I think one of the best things we can do is to watch local blogs on news outlets in PA and keep putting forward Hillary’s positive message and qualifications. I think she’s going to run a brilliant campaign in PA. There are things that we can do to help her out and it’s more important than ever.

  • Caroline

    Instead of you all repeating what MSM is saying, why don’t you all go to w*w.abclocal.go.com/wpvi/ and watch her rally live.

  • birdgal

    Forget the national media, let the local media do their work. The Obama campaign is looking very desperate. They will say anything to get elected. Obama’s surrogates are doing the Clinton’s campaign work for them. Just open mouth and insert foot. MO is a jerk. Spitzer has nothing to do with Hillary.

  • mollyjrichards

    mj and Hawk: I don’t think it was an accident either. Obama and his supporters are dedicated to the speech of divisiveness. They have no real message with any substance and now they are ratcheting up their attacks on Hillary.

  • dot48

    bitchell has had knives out for Hillary this whole campaign.

    local media in Pennsylvania is being fantastic.

    these crowds are absolutely amazing and the support for her … she is in good stead there.

  • plural

    The rally is great. She’s adorable.

  • meiyingsu

    hillary rally in PA cnn.com stream

  • anbritt

    SO…what does the cattle futures, whitewater, impeachment have to do with my vote now? I already knew all of this when I cast my vote. Whitewater was investigated up the wazoo…these people need to get serious…HRC was not impeached…if this is the best they have they ought to be ashamed…has this guy ever had to really fight ?

  • dot48

    cnn peeling from WGAL/Pittsburg all the while .. cnnobambot is standing in the arena WAITING on obama.

    cnn being forced to carry Hillary now … keep up the protests people .. we are forcing them to be fair.

    Love her message!!!!!

    Get Grounded America!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mollyjrichards

    Hillary wonderful on the stump in PA right now! CNN.,..watch it!

  • dot48

    hard work .. to get the job done.

    can’t hope it happens, can’t gaze upwards, can’t cross our fingers. She is coughing a lot.

    Yes, she is hitting on she is the one who can lead the country. This is the perfect message.

  • mollyjrichards

    SHe needs a little bottle of cough syrup, god bless her. It’s a great speech and she’s beautiful. A huge smile breaks on her face when she notices a baby in the audience and then weaves it into her speech.

  • Caroline

    Survey USA has a new poll out today in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton: 55%
    Obama: 36%

  • Caroline

    Survey USA has a new poll out today in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton: 55%
    Obama: 36%

  • dot48

    peace and prosperity from the 90’s comment .. James Carville haha

  • Universal

    I just posted a diary at MyDD (and G.O. Satan) about how ridiculously hypocritical the BHO campaign’s rebuke of Geraldine Ferraro’s comments is:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/11/123957/171

    These people have NO shame. None.

  • dot48

    No handholding with the Saudies..LOL

    Wow, she is on fire!!!

    This is why America needs this woman!!!

  • plural

    End George Bush’s war on science 🙂

  • Independent Ben

    One thing that amazes me. Not one person in the media will concede that Hillary won Ohio because she got her message out on the economy and jobs. To them, it’s all this “kitchen sink” strategy. Well, NAFTA-gate may have hurt Bambi a little – but it was a mess of his own making. It was his campaign that put out the false NAFTA and Health Care mailers in Ohio.

    And she will get her message out in Pennsylvania as well.

  • wbboei

    The real story here is the great racial divide which Obama has inspired which is tragic. That will be the legacy of Mississipi–another red state win that we will surely lose in the general election. Same story as South Carolina.

    This is the wormwood on which his “impressive string of victories” is predicated. And a precarious foundation it is. . . .

    If the role of superdelegates is to support the candidate who is in the strongest position to win the general election, then the big blue states Clinton has won are the true test. If memory serves she has roughly 270 electoral votes vs his 190 based on the large states she has won which is key to the general election.

    The foreign press needs to pick up this story because it is an important one, explains what has happened and what is being covered up by msm. The article by Professor Sean Wilentz entited Race Man provides an excellent starting point for a far deeper analsis.
    wbboei | 03.11.2008 – 12:41 pm | #

  • wbboei

    Hillary is the greatest leader of our generation.

  • wbboei

    And the greatest leader of our time for all generations–particularly the young people.

  • Independent Ben

    OMG, the Obamabots are really at it today. That Ben Smith article about the e-mail, bringing up all of Bill’s old problems, was pretty disgusting. But some of the comments . . . terrible.

    Oh, one Obamabot said that the media should declare Bambi the “Comeback Kid” tonite for his win is MS. LOL. Please, I understand people who want to support their candidate – but don’t insult our intelligence!

  • birdgal

    Shame on Ben Smith for even printing such nonense.

  • birdgal

    nonense=nonsense

  • dot48

    Her ideas .. simply brilliant. Watching the nodding heads behind her is funny LOL

    Love her fighting spirit.

    Brilliant speech.

    Set the perfect tone and balance.

  • dot48

    light turnout in Mississippi so far

  • curiosityhasme

    Just keep connecting the Rezko dots B Merryfield, and let those first, second, and third-degrees of separation keep rearing their ugly heads. Also, HELLO, FOREIGN PRESS – ARE YOU THERE? Please open another can of worms on Obama’s fund-raising “genius” through Playpal, anonymous donors getting around the required record-keeping on ALL DONORS, and put the United States Open Records Act to the test. Ah, to live in such a free and just society where transparency is the order of the day, and corruption is such as thing of the past. Where propoganda is only in thrid world country’s (MSNBC,CNN). Rezko, oh Rezko, where for art thou rezko? Perhaps you should be warbling tune after tune from the rooftops for all the world to hear.

  • dot48

    Hillary speaking about her dad while in Pennsylvania.

    Do you think she should bring her mom to some campaign stops with her? Her mom has been off the radar for such long time now. I think she’d be a great asset, if she is able, to be wit Hillary while she is in Pa.

  • dot48

    I’m beginning to think that Rezco has been scrubbed of any ObamaStink. Just my opinion.

  • birdgal

    dot: I think you are right.

    Hillary’s mother is 88, maybe the stress would be too much.

  • Caroline

    Hillary’s mother is 88? She looks so good for her age. You wouldn’t know.

  • Berkeley Vox

    How in the hell is she down 7 points all of a sudden in Rasmussen? She was ahead just a few days ago! I’m at a loss to explain it.

  • Tiny Dancer

    I’m watching Bill on the cnn stream. I love him.

  • mj

    Berkeley Vox Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
    How in the hell is she down 7 points all of a sudden in Rasmussen? She was ahead just a few days ago! I’m at a loss to explain it.

    That makes no sense.

  • plural

    No offense, but when I hear about polls now, I think of Paul Krugman who went to bed early last Tuesday because some insiders told him the election was over.

  • Caroline

    The only polls I am concerned about or if at all are the polls in PA. I am someone who doesn’t like to focus on polls too much. I have learned my lesson.

  • another_reader

    national polls? eh. i think we are at state by state. pennsylvania is what matters.

  • Caroline

    Go watch Bill Clinton like on cnn live stream.

  • plural

    Loooove Bill.

  • terrondt

    YAY!! good news about pa in the susa poll. but let’s keep it going!

  • Caroline

    plural, I missed what Paul Krugman sai about going to bed early.

    Question for those who have ordered stuff from Hillary’s website. How long does it take for you to recieve stuff that you ordered?

  • dot48

    does anyone know what happened to the “send support” link on Hill’s website?

    I’d like to send support messages to her from time to time and now I can’t find the link.

  • From Politico:

    Tom Watson, a rare blogger who backs Clinton, has a funny riff on the predicament of his particular minority:

    To be a Clinton blogger in the progressive blogosphere is to be hated, shunned, passed without notice in the street. We sit home on Friday nights, cursing at Chris Matthews and being censored by Al Giordano for commenting too often in a field of swaying Obama supplication. We’re not welcome at all the best dKos parties – if we show up, we’re cursed with the universal epithet of those who challenge the Obama hegemony: “troll,” they call us. Sometimes “f’ing troll.” We’re Rovian in our embrace of the monster, closet Bush backers and much worse – Lieberman types! Oh, the pain. The pure pain. I can’t stand it. Makes me want to quit, embrace that messianic goodness, and stand down – for the sake of the party, of course – from any pursuit of a Clinton presidency.

  • Berkeley Vox

    PA polls are all that matter for the next 6 weeks, agreed. We HAVE to win PA. After that, we’ll need to make our case that Hillary is the best candidate to beat John McCain, has won the popular vote in the primaries, and leads in national polls among Dems. So yes, still a long ways to go!

  • plural

    Paul Krugman:

    “Take both Rasmussen and this poll with a pile of salt. Actually, take the whole polling enterprise well salted. As it happens, I spent early Tuesday evening with some major insider types, who had exit polls and believed that Obama had put the thing away. I took the train home, got in very late, went to bed thinking that the nomination fight was over, and opened the papers to see that it wasn’t. Nobody knows anything.”

    krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/electability-again/

  • debbie

    I’d like to address the point made on here regarding local news outlets.

    While it’s easy to turn on national news, the local media has still shown restraint in favoring one candidate over the other.

    We must remain vigilant against the unfair treatment of Hillary, and I would encourage everyone to email or call the local media in praise of their unbiased coverage.

    This step is just as important as fighting back against the corporate media.

    We need to give praise and recognition where it is deserved.

    and another little point, if a headline looks provacative or potentially biased against Clinton, DON’T CLICK ON IT….they are counting every time this is done and thats how these stories end up on top.

  • birdgal

    debbie: when I see a provocative headline, I do not click on it. I have been doing this for awhile.

  • plural

    And if CNN is showing Bill or Hillary, click on that — then they’ll know we want to see it.

  • carbynew

    Philly mayor, Obama share no brotherly love Tue Mar 11, 12:15 AM ET
    By DeWayne Wickham

    You’d think Barack Obama and Michael Nutter would be kindred souls. They are part of a new wave of black politicians. Both graduated from Ivy League schools. Obama has a law degree from Harvard; Nutter earned a degree from the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Business.

    Last year, Nutter broke away from a crowded field of contenders in Philadelphia to win the Democratic Party’s primary for mayor. He campaigned as a reformer and the candidate of change — and was swept into City Hall by landslide vote.

    Obama, who is locked into a tight race with Hillary Clinton to become the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee, holds himself out as a reformer and candidate of change — and paints Clinton as an old-school, machine politician. But with Pennsylvania’s presidential primary looming on April 22 as possibly the decisive contest of this drawn-out race, Nutter is backing Clinton. How did it come to this?

    For nearly 15 years, Nutter was a Philadelphia city councilman who championed good government in the City of Brotherly Love — the kind of change that is the rallying cry of Obama’s campaign. As a councilman, Nutter pushed for campaign-finance limits and passage of ethics reform legislation.

    Long shot winner

    Early in the 2007 mayoral campaign, Nutter was thought to be a long shot candidate in the five-man race for the Democratic Party’s nomination. But shortly before the primary, Nutter pulled ahead in the polls, overtaking his four opponents, including U.S. Rep. Chaka Fattah, who was once the favorite.

    Fattah was a close ally of John Street, the outgoing mayor whose administration was plagued by allegations of corruption and mismanagement. A federal corruption probe resulted in 12 indictments and the conviction of a former city treasurer. Though federal investigators were caught bugging Street’s City Hall office, no charges were ever brought against the mayor. Fattah compared the investigation of Street to a “crucifixion.”

    Despite all this, Obama, who launched his presidential campaign in May 2007, quickly threw his support behind Fattah in the primary. Obama then sent an e-mail to Fattah’s supporters urging them to make financial contributions to the congressman’s flagging mayoral campaign, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer.

    Despite that appeal, Nutter finished first in the primary and went on to win in the November general election. The following month, Nutter endorsed Clinton.

    Why Clinton?

    “I met with both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama last year, and I made my judgment based on their experience and policy ideas. I’m going to work very hard (to help her win the Pennsylvania primary). I’m not conceding any section of the city or any constituency” to Obama, Nutter told me.

    Nutter said Clinton’s urban agenda and her position on public safety and repairing the infrastructure of aging cities led him to endorse her. But I suspect he could also have been moved by something else. In endorsing Clinton, he said: “It’s time for cities and metropolitan areas to take their prominent place in America again.” Philadelphia, he said, needs “a friend in the White House.”

    But there seems to be little friendship between Philadelphia’s mayor and Obama, who took time in the midst of his busy presidential campaign to try to block Nutter’s path to City Hall.

    It won’t be easy for Nutter to make good on his endorsement of Clinton. If what happened in other primaries is any indication, the vast majority of Philadelphia’s blacks — who make up nearly 46% of the city’s 1.4 million residents — will vote for Obama.

    But if Nutter, the man in whom Philadelphians invested their hope for a better future, can deliver 20%-25% of the black voters in Pennsylvania’s largest city to Clinton, he might succeed where Obama failed in trying to influence the outcome of an important election in the Keystone State.
    news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20080311/cm_usatoday/phillymayorobamasharenobrotherlylove&printer=1

  • Joe Friday

    UGH.

    Dean should be tarred and feathered for allowing all of these caucuses and open primaries:

    Voters Switching Parties for Upcoming Primary

    LEBANON – Pennsylvania elections have seen an uptick in the number of voters switching party affiliation prior to primary election on April 22. Nick Yingst is Lebanon County’s Director of Elections. Yingst anticipates a higher than normal voter turnout. He has also noticed a growing number of registered Republicans switching to the Democrat party.

    “Just since Tuesdays results in Texas and Ohio, we have had about 160 individuals that have switched parties”, says Yingst.

    Life long Republican Cory Fetzer admits that he and his wife have jumped ship. The couple feels that they have every reason to turn Democrat.

    “We are not really in agreement with Mr. McCain and I think we don’t want him in as President. I think we will be in more trouble than we are now. I think we will be in WW3.” declared Fetzer.

    Some Democrats worry that the change in party affiliation is just a Republican ploy and after the Primary they will again switch back the Republican side. Voters have until March 24th to register for the Pennsylvania Primary.

    h t t p : / /

    fox43.trb.com/news/wmpt-031008-primaryelection,0,6351361.story

  • Another good thing with a light turnout in MS is it keeps the overall popular vote close. bambi can not run up a large margin like he did in SC.

  • winhillary

    I left a message to the editor on new york times on the CNN biased crap! I hope she will do something about it and help us!

  • Independent Ben

    BHO is speaking in PA. Gosh, his southern accent, jive talk is gone! lol

  • Joe Friday Says: Dean should be tarred and feathered for allowing all of these caucuses and open primaries

    OR the superdelegates should be reminded that their job is to make sure the caucuses and open primaries don’t skew the nomination to someone out of touch with the Dem base. No more McGovern 72!

  • Independent Ben

    Wow, BHO is reading a prepared speech – he’s trying to talk about jobs, economy etc. The crowd – no applause – is just looking blankly at him. (Come on, Barack, let’s chant!) LOL

  • winhillary

    Hey did anyone see the video on CNN with the SNL writer. Hilarious, the lady that was mocked for loving Obama was interviewing him and it was obvious that she was pissed. EVERYONE GO ON TO CNN AND WATCH THE VIDEO. He did say that he like obama best but hey I would say the same thing to make it look ok to continue to slap bambi. Asked who would be the best for SNL if elected he said Hillary because she was very smart! I love it!

  • Independent Ben

    Joe Friday

    I’m not as concerned right now about republican cross-overs. I think Hillary will get her fair share of them.

  • OandrewD

    Joe PA is not an opened primary. And you cannot make it illegal for person to switch their voting party. 30 days before a primary is a long time I think.

    As far as I see it this primary is going to come to down to FL (again). Unless Super-delegates intervene early; at the convention both Hillary and Barack will speak. Barack will argue more states, more pledged delegates, a spirit of change that he has ushered in – a movement. That he is the People’s choice. Hillary will argue that yes Barack leads in states and yes he leads in pledged delegates, but she has won the BIG states and because of that is best to take on McCain. I think that is a good argument, but she must be able to counteract Barack’s “movement” argument about change and hope which we all know he is going to make. So it comes down to being able to say “Well Barack you have labeled yourself the People’s choice, but the People of the United States have voted for me, I brought in the record number of voters” (the popular vote winner). That argument is extremely convincing because it makes Barack look like the rules guy (Bush in 2000) and Hillary as the people’s choice (Gore in 2000). Without a lead in the popular vote Hillary will have a tougher time trying to convince the people at the convention to choose her.

    Lets assume then that the FL and MI delegates are not seated and there is no re-vote. Then you might have Hillary with the popular vote if you count FL and Barack with the popular vote if you do not count FL (as it is now). Who wins the argument? Right now I say no one the Barack folk will think he has it, us here will think Hillary does and the people of FL will be brushed aside. I think this is where the bitterness that could hurt our party will come into play. Because both candidates will claim popular vote lead and both will accuse the other of stealing the election. Enter McCain the POW who is above the petty democratic squabbling that has hurt us in the past and focused on keeping our nation safe in a world of radical Islamic terrorists (or whatever we are calling them now).

    The only solution I see if the Demos want to win is to either a) Seat FL or B) FL revote. If FL delegates are seated NOW before this goes on any longer I suspect their would be less backlash then if they were seated in June, but the DNC is clearly not going to seat these delegates and the media and Barack will continue to claim the primary there useless (Did anyone hear what Tim Russert said to Gov. Rendell “You’re not ACTUALLY claiming Hillary won in FL?” give me a break). So seating now although is what should be done is likely not going to be done. So we have to push for a FL revote ASAP. If Hillary wins the re-vote (I think she could specially if its mail in and all the seniors and tired Blue-Collared workers can vote) then the controversy goes away, Hillary has the potential to win the overall popular vote thus giving her a great opportunity to convince the convention that it is she who has the most votes, she who the people have voted for in recorded numbers, she who can win the Big States, and she who is therefore more electable.

    Bottom line: FL re-vote must happen. To save Hillary and the party, and the country from 4 more years of war, no insurance, and a terrible education system.

  • the mrs.

    Hello Everyone,
    This is a call to arms. I just rec’d phone call from Clinton campaign. They are in dire need of callers for Mississippi. Anyone out there who has a few hours to spend on the phone making calls, that would be great.
    Please help, it could make a big difference.
    Thanks.

  • Florida was a fair primary. It should count “as is”.

  • tiburones

    # Berkeley Vox Says:
    March 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    How in the hell is she down 7 points all of a sudden in Rasmussen? She was ahead just a few days ago! I’m at a loss to explain it.
    ***************************************

    It’s the bump from him winning in WY and the news coverage of that.

  • We shouldn’t have to spend another 15 million dollars just to appease Obambi. The results will likely be the same.

  • tiburones

    OAndrewD: I am in FL and Sen Nelson is trying his hardest to get a vote my mail. Our gov. Charlie Crist said today that he is willing to sign any legislation needed to get this done.

    However, we are getting push back from BO and his supporters. Hill has got to get her surrogates on again to push back. They were great this weekend but they have to keep at it. I suspect that after BO wins tonight, his team will again push back on this re-vote idea.

    HRC has to have her surrogates ready to talk about disenfranchising the voters.

  • So, now we are supposed to fire a surrogate because she had the audacity of hope to call obambi black? Hmmm….

  • Independent Ben

    kaffeen, I’ve read where Florida democrats are saying that the turnout for a re-vote could be between 3-4 million. Hillary could deliver a real body blow to him as far as popular vote. If the mail-in vote could be done in an honest fashion, I’d love to see it happen.

  • Independent Ben

    winhillary,

    I think it’s because SNL is more loyal to New York . . . than NBC. And NBC can’t really slap down one of it’s highest rated shows. 🙂

  • Independent Ben, I don’t trust Obambi and his henchmen. Mail in votes are likely to be infiltrated by voter fraud. In addition, what mailing list do you use? How accurate is that list? What if someone moved recently?

    Millions of dollars to redo a vote for the sake of Obambi? For a result that is likely to be very much the same if voter fraud could be guaranteed to not happen.

  • dot48

    mrs…I have been calling Mississippi and I’ll be honest..I don’t want to GetOutTheObama vote.

    My whole call center today has been nothing but aa .. I’ve emailed and asked for somewhere else to call.

    I would gladly call but I’m not going to cheerlead for him.

  • birdgal

    So, BO’s campaign is pushing back on the FL and MI votes? How can you disenfranchise millions of voters for something that was not, any fault of their own?

  • dt

    read this and you will be enraged. Eric Boehlert dissects how a Clinton smear is created and spread.

    http://www.mediamatters.org/columns/200803110002

    Also a mention about that creep Ben Smith (yes, you asshole shameless Ben) as usual leaving his farts in the air for the Obamabots to smell and get ecstatic about another Clinton smear spread by him…

  • Has any news person asked Kerry and Kennedy if they support the claim by Obambi’s camp that super-delegates should vote according to their constituents? If so, how do they reconcile their support of Obambi when their state went with Hillary?

  • dot48

    there is a poll out that says nobody reads that shit anyways on blogs.

    Believe it or not, most people STILL listen to the candidates and make up their own mind.

    Imagine that…that is why Hillary is winning the big states, the primariers and why she is better equipped to handle the republicans.

  • Also, if the super-delegates should vote according to popular vote, and their task at hand is to select a candidate for the general election, shouldn’t their vote be predicated on the national popular vote? Hmm…..

  • So many inconsistencies with Obambi and his camp. So many outright lies. He says one thing, but secretly feels another way. He is just words and they happen to be lies on top of hopium.

  • ABM90

    MSNBC and CNN-Keep showing old photos of Gov.Spitzer at the Capital in Albany with most members o the NY Senators and Legislators.In almost all of them,they are the ones in which Hillary appears.Of course the network garbage spreaders(Journalists??) keep pointing her out as a long time supporter and they ask their viewers if they think that her closeness will afect her campaign.Too bad the FCC is a Bush and GOP political arm of their administration.This is a sad time in our country’s history. Hillary must be 44.

  • mollyjrichards Says: I think one of the best things we can do is to watch local blogs on news outlets in PA and keep putting forward Hillary’s positive message and qualifications.

    spabeles@patriot.net has got a great project going on that, volunteer posters mostly communicating by email. She makes lists of links to the local news sites that take online comments. I’ve made a page for the lists at
    h t t p : / / http://www.ironmyvote.com/comment-local-papers.htm

    What’s there now is Mississippi sites, but I’m sure spabeles will send a PA list soon.

  • plural

    True, dot48.

    But innocent people do read and believe the NY Times which has been abetting some of the worst lies about the Clintons and race.

    Today’s dailyhowler dissects one today. It’s outrageous.

  • The news media, outside of their obvious bias, hold Hillary to different standards. She must be perfect, whereas Obambi only needs to do put a sentence on hopium together.

  • dot48

    spitzer needs to resign and get out of the news.

    Most people I’ve talked to about this though re: Hillary .. it brings them back to what a fighter Hillary is and just exactly how strong and how much she had endured. It comes full circle to how she could have just given up, got out of politics, etc…but what does she do, she soldiers on and keeps working for the American people.

    It cuts both ways I suppose.

  • dot48

    anybody who wants to brave the swamp and call to Mississippi .. please go do so.

  • dt

    and of course, there are no photos of Rezko and Obama to show on national TV are there ? No of course not.. that one picture of them hugging each other with obvious delight was obviously photoshopped ../snark

  • dot48

    unscheduled briefing from Pentagon just getting ready to happen….wonder what is going on.

    Admiral Fallon .. out!!! Centcom Director.

  • kaffeen,

    WHY do you think a mail-in election has more danger of fraud than the other choices: traditional precinct polling and caucuses? I think mail-in is much safer.

    Mail-in is how absentee voting is usually done. OR, WA, and CA use or encourage it.

    We’ve heard about the frauds in caucuses. Polling places can have frauds like opening or closing hours, change of location, etc. If you go to the polls and find you’ve been taken off the list, there’s no time to do anything about it. Polls can run out of ballots, machines can mal-function. With mail-in, the paper trail is built in, and there is plenty of time to verify and count the ballots.

  • dot48

    President disrespected Fallon .. Esquire article. Why was there no news coverage of this? Oh, I forgot the media was to buzy sucking on bambi toes.

    I knew nothing of this.

  • plural

    Fallon was just recently appointed, wasn’t he?

  • Ann

    Obama is the only one playing the race card.

    We need to get the story out there that if there is big gap in vote based on race eg. BO wins all the AAs and Clinton wins all the whites – that is the unfortunate outcome of BO’S cynical effort to lock in his “base.”

    1. The “okedoke” speech in SC and again yesterday in Mississippi. The video showing BO compared to Denzel Washington playing Malcolm X is perfect.
    2. Jesse Jackson, Jr. threatening AA SDs per Emanuel Cleaver and others.
    3. Sharpton running around threatening violence.
    4. The words of Reverend Wright in sermon after sermon. “Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” he then trumpeted. “Hillary [Clinton] can never know that.” Yesterday’s WSJ about Wright’s congregation has other quotes.
    2. Farakkhan singing his praises everywhere.

  • Ann

    Meant in Mississippi in last post.

  • Independent Ben

    This is the best article I’ve seen about the 60 Minutes interrogation, that resulted in the media saying that Hillary and left the option open that BHO might be muslim. She is STILL being smeared with that one by the media and the BHO camp. Thank God, there’s still some sanity left out there, and this article reflects that.

    mediamatters.org/columns/200803110002

  • dot48

    hmm. sounds like Fallon is for negotiating with enemies rather than jumping into a full assault without real reason..seems Bush still wants to maybe go to war with Iran.

    some saying that when Fallon gets fired it means we going to war with Iran!!!!!!!

    National security will become forefront now…one news cycle can change a lot. This will become between Hillary and McCain now.

  • 1950,

    1) Florida is not familiar with Mail-in voting. In fact, I believe it is not even legal in Florida. For a state to do something for the very first time, and let’s be honest, Florida of all of ’em, is that likely to be understood by the voting public?
    2) Mail in voting is prone to voter fraud. The states you mention are very good examples. There are documented cases of voter fraud in all those states.
    3) What mailing list do you use? Is it accurate? Does it disenfranchise potential voters (i.e. ones not registered)? Does it allow everyone to vote? What if you are out of state or out of country? What if you moved? What if the chosen mailing list is years old and out dated?
    4) Florida primaries were moved up by the Republicans, a fact that I find the news organizations refusing to admit. Should we allow a foe to control our delegates? Does the fact that the dems tried to amend the bill make any difference? Does the fact that a Republican governor chose to sign the bill even after he knew the outcome cause anyone to pause?
    5) The original vote was fair. An even playing field (with the exception of Obama commercials on national television). If anyone had an advantage it was Obambi because of those commercials. More people voted in that primary than ever before. It should count as it is, in my mind there is no legitimate reason why it should or could be considered flawed.
    6) The DNC is actually the one that changed the rules. Their rules stipulated that half the delegates could be lost. After the Governor signed the bill, they are the ones that changed the rules. Why should the tax payers in Florida have to pay for a mistake made by the DNC?

  • dot48

    pushed aside by those who don’t favor military action with Iran.

    This will, once again, push to the front “The Problems Waiting On the Next Presidents Desk”

  • jubjub

    Texas Democrats Abandons Tally of Caucuses Results

    fox: elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/11/texas-democrats-abandons-tally-of-caucuses-results/

  • Berkeley Vox

    Wow, I hadn’t heard about this before — here’s an excerpt from a NYTimes blurb about Clinton’s speech today in PA:

    But in 2005, when the Senate voted on Vice President Dick Cheney’s energy bill, which contained tax breaks for big oil companies, Mr. Obama voted for it and she voted against it.

    “When it counted, I said no, he said yes,” she said.

  • birdgal

    Jubjub: So, now what? They can project? Are they psychic? Another example, of how undemocratic caucuses are, for large populations. And they were thinking about doing caucuses for MI and FL? People are crazy. Wow, the convention is going to be nutzo.

  • dot48

    the only thing I can say about Texas caucus..split the delegates. If they can’t continue a count …

    this will favor a No Caucus in Florida and Michigan.

  • BV,

    That is being reported a bit. Perhaps not as much as it should.

  • mp

    One thing I forgot to mention about the messy TX causus. Until 2 days before the causus, most people were being trained that the causus would count for 1/3 of the delegates. But when I attended the training a day before teh causus, they were mentioning that the causus would only count for 1/4 of the delegates. They said that the state party had just recenlty changed the rules.

    I heard this from some Clinton trainers but I was never able to comfirm this.

    Anybody know this change from 1/3 to 1/4 delegates for the TX causus. if this is correct than it would be better!

  • mj

    What does that mean, abandon caucus results?

  • Emjay

    Dot

    called the CNN tel #: told first one person, then another, that, for sure, CNN had been put on block in one household,
    as though it had bad language or pornograpy… for if the directors or producers were going to block one of the candidates, the entire network would be blocked in kind.

  • mp

    Hey, that would great…abandon the TX causus results! The most undemocratic process I witnessed.

  • winhillary

    looks like the pundits are out against HILLARY over spitzer and the Clinton affair! I am soooo sick of this, what bad timing. How do we make the rezko case stand out which of course it should not hillarys past with BIll! They are going to bring out everything from the nineties. What do we do guys?

  • filbertsf

    mp, whereabout were you in TX?

  • mp

    Look if they are tying Sptizer to Hillary, please let us tie REzko/Blagovich to Bambi!

    One is paid sex, the other is BIG TIME fraud/corruption

  • Just got back from the supermarket and the National Enquirer has bambi splashed all over the front page about his ties to Rezko and terrorists.
    Just think for the next 6 weeks leading up to PA no good news for bambi just Rezko, Rezko, Rezko….

  • mj

    Disgusting! When the hell do the women in this country wake up? Blaming Hillary for her husband’s affair? Blaming Bills affair for Spitzer visiting a prostitute? How are any of these things Hill’s problem? She’s a faithful wife. Case closed.

  • carbynew

    Barack Knows a Place Hillary Can Put Her Foreign Policy Experience

    SILVER BULLET POINTS Obama, Clinton (inset) (Photo: Getty Images) Barack Obama, whom you’d think is losing the race for the Democratic nomination judging from Hillary Clinton’s clever assertion that “He’d make a great vice president!” but who actually still maintains a sizable lead in delegates, has had it up to here with Hillary’s constant touting of her foreign policy “experience.” In a hilariously dismissive memo making the rounds, the Illinois senator’s foreign policy adviser (and former Clinton administration official) Greg Craig delivers a point-by-point take-down of Hillary’s alleged expertise in all matters international:

    On Hillary’s involvement in brokering peace in Northern Ireland: “She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy…. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on.”

    On her willingness to go on a “life-risking mission” to Bosnia: “Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn’t hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage.”

    On her claim that she helped open borders to Kosovo refugees: “It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp. It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there. First Ladies frequently meet with government officials.”

    On her assertion that she implored Bill to intervene in Rwanda: “Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America’s failure to do more to prevent the genocide.”

    In short, Hillary Clinton spent her two terms as First Lady baking cookies, washing dishes, and occasionally throwing around empty rhetoric with politicians who were more interested in talking to her husband. Seriously, when are these two gonna give in and just make out?!
    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/barack-obama-who-youd-think.php
    ****************************************************
    I love how it’s alright for men to be sexist and put down the achievements and contributions of Sen. Hillary Clinton and First Ladies. I guest Eleanor Roosevelt, Rosalyn Carter, Dolly Madison, Mamie Eisenhower, Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson, Pat Nixon, Nancy Reagan, Laura Bush all through the years these women made a huge and value contributions to our country and to belittle and demean the unpaid service these women do for our country is very telling of the dismissive and arrogant attitude Team Obama have to all WOMEN.

  • mp

    filbertsf:

    Houston for 5 days, 2 days in Dallas. I witnessed and helped at the causus in Houston.

    Originally, on electuion day, I was helping at a precinct with a vast number of vietnamese/Asian/Latino voters but at 4pm that day, the coordinator called me and said that one other precinct will be troublesome and they needed more help so I went to a more mixed one with over 50% AA’s there.

  • Caroline

    How the flock does Hillary have anything to do with Spitzer? I am even getting annoyed with people on here repeating what the media is saying about this over here. The fact that that some over here are giving it credence by talking about it is even more irritating.

  • birdgal

    Spitzer should resign and end this circus. Tying Spitzer to Hillary is obscene.

    The media are out of control in their sexism and blatant negative reporting on Hillary. We hear nothing about the ISSUES, just the lies. Who is talking about the difference in senate voting records regarding energy? No one.

  • filbertsf

    So you worked with Ininla?

    You must have been an out-of-stater. I heard that OOS were needed b/c native Texan staff/volunteers were — of course — voting and caucusing.

  • carbynew

    Texas Democrats Abandon Tally of Caucuses Results
    by Associated Press
    Tuesday, March 11, 2008

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    AUSTIN — The state Democratic Party has washed its hands of trying to tally the results of last week’s Texas caucuses as overwhelmed local officials grapple with the roundup of 8,700 precinct conventions in what may have been the nation’s largest caucus ever. An estimated 1 million people showed up for the March 4 post-primary caucuses, more than four times the estimated 220,000 who attended Iowa’s first-in-the nation presidential contest.

    The turnout stymied a state Democratic Party that has had a shadow of its once mighty influence since a Republican takeover of state politics in the 1990s.

    Less than a week after the caucuses, the state party threw in the towel, saying it had ended a voluntary call-in system when fewer than half the precincts reported.

    “This was a turnout that was more than anybody would have imagined,” state party spokesman Hector Nieto said.

    Just over 40 percent of the precinct caucuses were reported to the state. Barack Obama is leading Hillary Rodham Clinton 56 percent to 44 percent. Caucusing reporting so far have elected 23,918 delegates for Obama and 18,620 for Clinton. Those delegates will attend the March 29 regional caucuses, where they will be whittled down before the state convention in June. That’s when the final delegate count for the March 4 Texas caucuses will be known.

    Clinton won the popular vote in the Texas primary, held the same night. Her 51 percent of the vote, compared to his 47 percent, earned her 65 delegates to his 61.

    But in the meantime, frustrated local officials are counting while trying to be patient with volunteer precinct officials.

    In Hidalgo County, a border stronghold for Clinton, the count has been stymied by the disappearance of county Democratic chairman Juan Maldonado, who changed his cell phone number after losing re-election and hasn’t shown up at his business, a bail-bonds office that also offers state teacher certification.

    Houston’s 857 precinct results are still coming in, said Harris County party chairman Gerald Birnberg, but when precinct convention chairmen ran out of official sign-in sheets last Tuesday night, they tore the “Democrats Vote Here” signs off the wall and scrawled the preferences of caucus-goers in long hand, slowing down the count this week.

    Birnberg said about a dozen workers were putting in 12-hour days since the March 4 contest just making sure the paperwork was right — they’re not even tallying the results yet in the state’s largest city.

    In Bexar County, which includes San Antonio, party Chairwoman Carla Vela is “pretty sure” all the packages have been delivered.

    “We’re still going through all the packages,” she said. “It’s such a huge county. I have a whole staff of volunteers working on them. It’s going to be a while because we do have so many.”

    In El Paso County, the party’s four employees are tasked with counting results from 170 precincts. As of Monday afternoon, they’d only been through 13.

    Even as they field frantic calls from the rest of the nation, chairmen in Texas’ 254 counties are still trying to figure out which precincts mistakenly sent their results to the state rather than the county and why dozens of precincts haven’t contacted them at all.

    While caucus pros in Iowa know their results within a day, Texas party officials are still waiting for precinct packages to come through the mail, hoping each afternoon that the remaining stragglers will be in the next delivery. Meanwhile, they tally results by hand.

    The deadline for precincts to report their results to counties was Friday. And party rules only require the county chairmen to pass on the preferences by March 29, so they are being patient.

    “We’re not going to exclude anybody,” said Galveston County chairman Lloyd Criss. “There are 20 some-odd still out … but they’re calling, we’re going to accept them all, seat them all.”

    Some chairmen are worried the full results will never show up.

    “I’ve been on the phone, calling people trying to get the 33,” said Richard Torres, chairman of the Williamson County Democratic Party, which was still missing results from 33 precincts. “I think we’re going to have to search ‘em out now. I don’t think they’re coming in.”

    Their plight is exacerbated by a national spotlight, as the campaigns bicker over who can claim Texas victory and media from around the country continue to call, vexed over what’s taking so long.

    “Iowa and New Hampshire don’t deal with a million caucus goers,” Nieto said, defending
    elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/11/texas-democrats-abandons-tally-of-caucuses-results/

  • mj

    Please do not compare Hillary to Laura Bush. Hillary was the most powerful First Lady since Roosevelt, and she’s also a tenured Senator.

  • filbertsf

    So if they’ve stopped tallying the caucuses… what does that mean exactly? No delegates will be apportioned?

  • mj

    She can claim victory. My god she won an additional 100k votes to BO. This is getting ludicrous.

  • Obama must be on drugs again.
    He is calling on Hillary to oust Geraldine Ferraro. Talk about tearing the party apart throwing out a former Vice Presidential nominee and party elder.

    This guy has no brains if he thinks denouncing Ferraro will win over any SD. All she did was say what a lot of people were already thinking. Up yours Obama!

    Obama Camp Calls on Clinton to Oust Backer Who Said Media Coverage Is Race-Based

    elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/11/obama-camp-calls-on-clinton-to-oust-backer-who-said-media-coverage-is-race-based/

  • filbertsf

    So it’s as if the Caucus portion never took place? Only the Primary counts?

    It’s getting confusing.

  • mp

    fibertsf:

    Yes I met Ininla – we were assigned different tasks. And yes OOS were needed. Actually it was good because we can say things most TX’s would not say.

    The best part for me was when I met my house-host, with 1/2 an hr. she told me candidly that she has been a strong democrat her entire life but if BO wins the nomination, she will be voting McCain. I shook her hand said I will be voting for McCain as well if that was the case.

    Her husband said the same thing to that evening. And so did quite a few other people – Texans as well as OOS.

  • filbertsf

    Apparently, it’s racist to call a black man black. It’s racist if you say Obama isn’t fit to be President, b/c that’s putting a black man down.

  • mj

    Filbert, it’s incredible. I never even believed in the “race card” until this campaign. But BO and his supporters deal it out anytime someone has a legitimate beef with him.

  • filbertsf

    mp, you guys did good in TX. Kudos to all the OOS volunteers. I really didn’t think we’d take TX… but I underestimated the vast HRC supporters and dedicated footsoldiers such as yourself.

    mj, I’m not even going to bother with MS. Obama has tainted the AA with charges of racism I’m afraid to speak to any AA voter in MS. I’ve been screamed at by so many AA that I’ve called.

  • birdgal

    MJ:But BO and his supporters deal it out anytime someone has a legitimate beef with him.

    This is one of reason that I do not want him as POTUS. It is all, we’ll be hearing for the next 4-8 years.

  • Hillary should go to court and have the caucus circus in TX invalidated, scrawling preferences on the back of posters, not mailing in packets right away makes me suspicious that some altering of results may be taking place.

  • mp

    I refuse to think of BO as a black man! He did not live like one and he has never supported their corse causes.

    Harold Ford Jr. is more black than BO!

  • birdgal
    When I hear him on TV I hit the mute button. Can no longer tolerate his voice.

  • birdgal

    rjk: I DO THE SAME THING! LOL! If I don’t mute, then I change the station.

  • filbertsf

    As I understand it, the Caucus process in TX is 3-step: first the Mar 4th caucus, then there’s a county convention, then the state convention.

    So if they’ve stopped the tally, how will that effect the county and state convention?

  • filbertsf

    mp, well, the AA community disagrees with you. They’re embracing him and turned their backs on the very people who helped them in the 90s.

  • mp

    filbertsf:

    On mar29, the county convention will “tally” their precinct’s causus votes. Then it goes to the state in June.

    If there are enough problems identified by mar29, then some real action would be needed to “balance” the votes.

    I hope Hill’s people take it to the court.

    I made 3 calls to hill’s legal people and these were on record.

  • OandrewD Says:
    March 11th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Oandrew, I agree! People say “Seat the Jan delegates now,” but techinically no delegates at all can be seated till Denver. Which pushes the mess to Denver with Sharpton rioting in the streets. Even trying to get the Credentials Committee to rule in their favor before Denver would take a long time, and what if the CC is divided — or Sharpton doesn’t like their ruling?

    A popular revote will do a lot to immediately settle the issue in the mind of the public and the Superdelegates, who will be making the deciding votes on the nominee anyway. When we can say, “Look, they voted twice and Hillary won both times” and all Obama can do is bring up technicalities to try to disenfranchise the original vote AND the revote, he is going to look pretty silly.

    As for a mail-in, that’s the quickest and cheapest thing (and the hardest thing to sabotage). I suspect Obama is stalling till it will be too late to print ballots for either a traditional primary or a mail-in, so he can say a caucus is the only way.

  • mp

    filbertsf:

    The AA community can embrace him to their heart’s content. BUT I will tell you this. In future they will lose out big time!

    For me, I have decided from now on that I will not support a lot of AA minority issues that I supported before with a few exceptions.

    I am a woman of color – not AA so I know the real cost to other minorities as well.

    But in this case, with the exception of about 15-20% AA and strong leaders like Nutter, Jackson Lee, Waters, Stephanie Dobbs etc, I have no more time for their causus.

    whil ei respect John Lewis for his fights and will do so, I do not have to give him any preferential treatment in future!

    The best thing would be to get rid of that congressional black causus!

    As far as I am concerned, we need a separate AA, and a separate Women’s party as well.

    Maybe as a democratic leaning independent, i am finally assessing some moderate republican values as “not bad after all”.

  • mj

    You know, I have no grudge against AA voters of BO. I hold BO resposible for his divisive campaign tactics.

  • mj

    mp. i must disagree. i suggest you cool off.

  • carbynew

    mj Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
    Please do not compare Hillary to Laura Bush. Hillary was the most powerful First Lady since Roosevelt, and she’s also a tenured Senator.
    **************************************************
    Mj, this is NOT a comparison between “First Ladies” but how Obama dismissive attitude to the contributions of all First Ladies is an insult to their service to OUR country.

    I would be remissed not to include Laura Bush excellent work in Africa and in Education…I’m NOT going there. But I do want to point out Team Obama’s sexism and demeaning attitude about the contributions and unpaid service of FIRST LADIES to our country.

    That was my point.

  • mollyjrichards

    The freedom to say what we want without fear of being ousted is a freedom we Dems hold dear. This is gettin’ into some dangerous stuff here when a man can say “throw that woman out” she’s a racist (in essence) because she has an opinion different from his. This is NOT what a President looks like yall. I am speakin’ here of Geraldine Ferraro’s comment which the Clinton camp “disagreed with.” Others actually have beat Geraldine to the punch on this comment, or one very similar. Obama calling for her ouster is serious stuff, yall. Lots of things can get “ousted” in the name of a good cause like “unity.”

  • basil9

    Filbert.
    And if we can;t call AA’s black then they shouldn’t be able to call non-AA’s ‘white.’ it should be irish-American, italian-American, Polish-American, Russian-American, mexican-American, etc. etc. My theory is that most of the talking heads have never spent any time around any blacks other than college-educated upwardly mobile types and just don’t have a clue as to what is and is not permissable and so they’ve taken all their cues from BO.
    About media coverage, i hate to say it but HRC is never going to be covered fairly, but it doesn’t seem to be affecting her campaign and if she can suck it up I guess we should, too. I have officially stopped watching anything other than Fox, on occasion, and I’m grateful that idol has returned to distract me from the disgusting misogynistic treatment of HRC. BO has been trying this ploy for months, getting the media to bash Hi, and it still hasn’t worked, so screw them. I agree that local coverage and streaming media are the way to go. That and checking here for info. I just don’t see what else HRC can do in this situation other than ignore the nonsense and forging ahead. D@mn but she’s inspiring.

  • mj

    I agree with your point. But Hillary really is in a league of her own when it comes to First Ladies. And, thats not to weaken your argument. I only mean she ued her position to really learn about policy and the levers of power. While the traditional role of First Lady is not to be dismissed, Hillary went far beyond the bounds of that traditional role.

  • The really sad part of this whole thing is that with AA voting for Obama by around 80% not based his qualifications is only getting more and more of white voters to vote for Hillary. They are making this about race without intending to do so and the only ones who will win a race war will be the Republicans and in the end we all will lose.

  • dot48

    SuperTuesdayRatings

    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

    Fox 5
    CNN 19
    MSNBC 28 Ha!

  • dot48

    ^^MARCH 5 SUPERTUESDAY 2 RATINGS^^

  • mj

    It’s not they…it’s Obama. He and his surrogates have stoked these fires.

  • basil9

    Oh, and forgot to say that if BO continues this way not only will the Dems never get elected in november but the progress of AA’s may come to a screeching halt. People are furious, at being bullied, threatened strong-armed by the very people many of us fought to help. It reminds me of the Driver’s license debacle that SPitzer stupidly tried to enforce. there was such an uproar in NY State. You wouldn’t believe what I had to go through to switch from a NJ to a NYS license; the documents I had to produce were ridiculous. The MV rules have been tightened coz of security and yet Spitzer was going to hand out hundreds of thousands of licenses to people without requiring them to submit citizenship papers, etc. people who’d never complained about much of
    anything simply outraged at the preferential treatment, that he was forced to abandon it. The rest of the country hasn’t yet had a chance to weigh in on the absolute BS BO and crew have inflicted on us and they WON’T be “hoodwinked, bamboozled, okie-dokied.” They’ll just vote for McCain.

  • timjcain

    cofused about Super Teusday ratings it looks like from post that msnbc had the worst they have been the most unfair why is that a reason to say “HA”
    maybe i misunderstood?

  • dot48

    My phone banking indicates to me that the AA feel very pressured to vote for bambi out of race loyalty. It is what it is. I have not heard white people talk like that. White people are more interested in talking about policy and how the country needs to go .. many AA I talked to say “he’s my bro”.

  • dot48

    tim .. Chris Matthews say HA all the time.

  • mj

    Well, frankly, I only wish women were showing that kind of loyalty.

  • birdgal

    Exactly, what did Ferraro say?

  • mj

    She said BO was lucky. If he were white or a woman he wouldnt be getting such a free pass. Something like that.

  • carbynew

    I didn’t know Geraldine Ferraro was working on the campaign…I thought she was a fundraiser and a supporter for Hillary.

    Just like Camille Paglia, Gov. Doug Wilder and Sen. John Kerry supporter Obama….hmmm how interesting when Obama’s supportering and fundraisers give their opinions it’s all right.

    Less we forget, Al Sharpton and his weekly threats against anything Hillary.

  • timjcain

    basil9
    i hear you on the ny state id i had lost everything and was already in the system but i had to have so many points in order to get a new id i had to have my parents mail me my high school diploma which i fail to see how that provided validation of my identity as anyone could have printed up a high school diploma but that was something like 2 points.

  • timjcain

    camille paglia is supporting BHO?

  • mollyjrichards

    I think the day race baiting began in the campaign was the day Michelle Obama noted what a difference it would make all around the world when everyone saw her and their daughters on the WHite House lawn. I also remember that when asked what he would do to further Civil Rights (or race relations, can’t remember exact words) he basically said that just by getting elected it would change things. “I think…therefore I change.” Now, that’s change you can believe in.

  • mj

    No kidding! This guy has no respect. Ferraro is the only woman to ever run on a national ticket. She has earned her stripes and the right to an opinion. No this guy goes after old ladies. What next? The boyscouts.

  • birdgal

    mj: I don’t think, she is the only one who has been saying that.

    The Obama camp is acting desparate, for a campaign that does not want to dirty itself or wants to unite everyone.

  • mj

    timjcain Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
    camille paglia is supporting BHO?

    Yes.

  • mollyjrichards

    We absolutely cannot allow this censorship, the fear to speak out because of the threat of being called a racist. Now, that’s fear mongering when you have that hanging over somebody’s head.

  • mp

    The race things started with Ms. WINIFREY OPRAH!

  • Ferraro has the “audacity of hope” to mention that Obambi is black. Big deal. Obama, in his books and speeches, and his supporters (i.e. his church et al) are always playing the race card. Not even to mention the theory of “white guilt” that has been floated by MSM. This is much ado about nothing. Hillary said she doesn’t agree with the comment, let’s move on.

  • JAS

    When will the Rezko trial start having a negative effect on BO, I keep waiting for some king of shoe to drop or more infomation regarding the purchase of his house. BMerryfield, says Hillary will be the 44th president, I wish I knew what he does.

  • Ferraro is not connected to the campaign other than being a supporter of Hillary’s. Obama has not said one word about Wilder’s fanatical rants so why should Hillary condemn an elder stateswoman of the party just because Obama does not want to hear the truth.

  • basil9

    1950’s Dem,
    ‘Which pushes the mess to Denver with Sharpton rioting in the streets.”

    Like we’re supposed to be afraid of that? bush will still be in office. Such a scenario would be squelched so friggin fast BO and company won’t know what hit them. And, if it were to happen, that would practically guarantee HRC the Dem nomination. So let them threaten, let them bully, let them posture. Who gives a rap. BO will never be president, especially after the way he’s treated Florida and Michigan not to mention the first woman candidate for president. And i think that AA’s are going to discover that BO is absolutely the worse thing that could have happened for them and their causes. if McCin is elected the programs many people rely on are going to disappear and that will happen even quicker if there’s any ‘rioting.” they are all full of sh!t. And, just in case anyone gets the wrong impression from my remarks, i worked with predominantly AA kids for 20 years and I have always considered myself a fair person but the nauseating use of race AND gender against such a heroine as HRC has made me see red.

  • birdgal

    Obviously, if Hillary is saying “move on,” we should. Good for her. She picks her own battles.

  • Emjay

    Iran invasion critic resigned just now after 40 years in the military.

    The Admiral appointed several months ago by Bush just resigned because of a difference in opinion on what should be done in near future re: Iran

  • mollyjrichards

    Yall, the threat of rioting in the streets is as old as the hills, literally. Talk about fear mongering. This country has seen race riots, union riots, anti union riots, student riots, anti-war riots. If you are my age and haven’t been in at least 1 riot you just haven’t lived. Don’t fall for that ole “we’re gonna have riots” shit. Sorry. I lived through the real civil rights movement. I have been in exactly two riots, one of which was pre-planned, and one of the most horrifying and disgusting things I have ever seen, even though I understand the sentiments behind it. When you hear the ole “we’re gonna have riots” ploy discussions have sunk to almost the lowest form of human communication.

  • hawk

    I welcome Al Sharpton’s protests, I would love to anti-protest him..anyone? He is an ass. et him protest and protest. That will drive more and more voters from our party.

  • basil9

    Tim,
    It was crazy, what I had to go through to get the NYS license! Even though I had tons of certification, degrees, diplomas, teaching certificates issued by the states, photo ID, passport, NJ DL, I had to send for an original copy of my birth certificate before they would issue the license. And yet they were going to grant the right to undocumented workers. Like I said, the county clerks boycotted the Spitzer edict and refused to issue licenses and he was finally forced to abandon the program.
    All I’m saying is people are steamed. pissed off at having 13% of the population dictate the rules and impose their hypocrisies on the other 87% of us. I see that clearly in the rural area where i now live. prior to this I was always in an urban multi-ethnic environment.

  • Tiny Dancer

    If Sharpton protests, I’m going to protest HIM. Seriously.

    I had oral surgery today so I have good pain meds! Weee. I can pass them around if anyone needs a hit.

  • limabeans

    Today is stinky! 🙁
    I am taking a break from media for awhile. Or at least a few hours, HAHAHA.

  • Tiny Dancer

    It it gross today and I haven’t tuned in but for about 2 minutes. I’m going to go take a vicodin and pass out. Hopefully I’ll wake up tomorrow and the world will have moved on to the next issue.

    I can’t take the racial politics anymore.

  • mollyjrichards

    thanks, Tiny, but I am swiggin’ at my cough syrup.

    Ultimately, Al Sharpton does hurt his cause, I think, by the way in which he represents them. Obama’s kind of “fear mongering” (yes, I do think he does it) is much more insidious and dangerous than somebody gonna hold a protest. If somebody says, “I;m going to hold a protest, we can organize a protest against if we want, like Hawk suggests. But if that somebody occasionally beats us back with,”don’t criticize me, you racist,” then we become afraid of speaking out and our country’s basic principles and the freedoms we enjoy are threatened.

  • Another Barack Obama adviser had to resign today after making incendiary statements about Hillary Clinton. Maxim Thorne, formerly a chief at the Human Rights Campaign, Thorne resigned almost immediately after the e-mail surfaced.

    Thorne has an undergraduate and law degree from Yale, making him the third Yalie in recent weeks to embarrass Obama with an apparent inability to grasp a fundamental rule of campaign warfare (namely, don’t speak freely). Also Yale grads: Austan Goolsbee, who allegedly told a foreign government that Obama was just kidding about his opposition to NAFTA, and Samantha Power, who told reporters that Clinton was a “monster” and that Obama might keep troops in Iraq longer than he’s saying on the campaign trail. Great work, nerds!

  • Pennsylvania
    SurveyUSA
    Hillary +19

  • carbynew

    Isn’t George W. Bush and Yale graduate?

  • mollyjrichards

    There is some open discussion on some other blogs today about the sexism in the campaign. That’s a good sign. I can remember dress codes and curfew hours in dormitory. I see a country who has yet to pass an Equal Rights Amendment.

  • mollyjrichards

    Yale, yes! As is John Kerry.

  • In response the overwhelming support Hillary has in PA…

    Barack Obama Volunteer Beth Beene:

    “The big thing we’re trying to do is get our presence out, get the word out and get new registrants.”

    (READ: Trying to register Republicans/Indies as Democrats)

  • pulchritude

    camille paglia is antifeminist.

    books.google.com/books?id=CVZdU_trRdQC&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=katie+roiphe+antifeminism&source=web&ots=lSkXH-oADA&sig=1VHXtBBrSCK3h__bFlEsWcNeL5c&hl=en

  • Hold ‘yer horses on Yale bashing….Hillary was there too. I pulled that text from Radar Online.

  • another_reader

    i didnt think ferraro’s comment was a good one to make, and i know media will jump to highlight, but for obama camp to throw fuel on it.. at some point, someone has to say stop

    about the bamboozled/hoodwinked stuff. i just would like someone to ask obama to fill in the end of the sentence. bamboozled by whom? now if he is talking to all americans about our terrible news media, i am on board with that, if he is talking to the way bush lied us into iraq, i agree with that too, but this is in the context of talking to democratic primary voters in a contest versus hillary clinton, and i would like to just know exactly what he is saying.

  • dot48

    Barack Hussein Obama sure knows how to pick advisers doesn’t he? hehehe

    Has this even made any headline? I’ve not seen anything. Perhaps Hillary surrogates need to focus on that this evening.

  • mj

    Yeah, but Hill got her law degree from Yale also. 🙂

  • carbynew

    Hillary’s Still in It to Win It
    By Rich Lowry

    She’s going to keep coming. The Obama campaign can tout “the math.” Pundits can insist she leave the race. Former liberal supporters can complain about her smash-mouth tactics. But Hillary Clinton is not going to relent.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/hillarys_still_in_it_to_win_it.html

    The only problem I have with this article is it’s lack of acknowledging Hillary’s very diversed coalition…it’s not all angry white women.

  • mj

    Her coalition is everyone except most AA’s and elite whites.

  • Caroline

    Does anyone have the link for Hillary’s rally today in Phili at 6pm?

  • dot48

    Let’s hope Hillary puts up a donation bar tonight. I’d like to see online fundraising goal of about 10 million in 4 days next time .. she is going to need a boatload for Pennsylvania and we need to get going early.

    Don’t forget tomorrow is BomBDay….donate early and donate often LOL

    I guess Okie will start taking names for next weeks drop….

    I choose HillaryIsDaBomb

  • AA’s and elite whites…….now that is a pair made in hell I think.

  • CNN exit polls coming soon

  • Ferraro was just on FOX and was brilliant, she refused to take back her comments, she was very fiesty LOL, argued they were not racist, argued that obama is making it a race thing, said she will NOT stop raising money for Hillary. Said she was responding to a question asked and that “the truth is the truth is the truth” . She said Axelrod knows her well and should not be pushing this, she said the obama camp has pushed the racial issue regarding her comments and that Axelrod should know better. She also said that obama should know better.

  • mj

    rjk, I can imagine the exit polls. Blow out for BO.

  • mj

    I won’t even be surprised if he gets more white vote than people expect given he played those divisive ads.

  • mj

    ‘Course, I believe he’s already blowin town.

  • The AP has some exit polls already on the news wires….the questions they seem to be asking were more about cross over possibilities. It is not surprising that more people would be unhappy with Obambi than vice versa. The other questions followed the same trend as some others in regards to experience (Hillary) and hopium (Obambi). More Hillary supporters said they would not support an Obambi ticket if he were on top and would not vote for him if he were the nominee.

  • mj

    More people would be unhappy w/obambi? What do you mean?

  • There are only 4 congressional districts in MS and District 2 has the largest AA voters. District 1 and 3 are predominately white which would account for both congressional seats being held by Repubs. If Hillary can get her base it should be close to an even split of the delegates.

  • basil9

    Molly,
    “We absolutely cannot allow this censorship, the fear to speak out because of the threat of being called a racist. Now, that’s fear mongering when you have that hanging over somebody’s head.”
    I couldn’t agree more. And I’m not afraid to speak out. Over the years I and a number of my colleagues have had a number of AA’s try to ‘hoodwink’ and ‘bamboozle’ us in order to try and sue the school board, the school district, for unfair “racist’ tactics. And they don’t fight pretty. After that happened a couple of times i said screw the ‘politically correct” BS. I will treat people the way they treat me, no matter what their race. And i will fight equally hard against anyone who tries to hold something over my head, i don’t care what the f*** their skin color is. And that is what BO and company are doing. Sadly, in some cases the administrations were so terrified of being labeled ‘racist’ that it was the kids that ultimately sufferred as everyone became terrified of saying or doing or THINKING or writing anything that could possibly be construed as ‘racist.” i decided a long time ago I’m not gonna live my life like that. I subscribe to the “Don’t tell me it’s raining and then pee on my leg” school of thought. 😈

  • mj

    I seriously disagree about some of the stuff you all are saying, and I wish you would tone it down. This is ONLY about BO and his divisive tactics.

  • mj

    Ok, rjk, but it all depends who comes out to vote. Georgia didn’t work out so well for us.

  • MJ, more Hillary supporters would be dissatisfied with Obambi as the nominee than Obambi supporters would be dissatisfed with Hillary as the nominee (1/2 Obambi supporters would be happy with Hillary and only 1/4 Hillary supporters would be happy with Obambi).

  • mj

    Ok, kaffeen, thanks.

  • mollyjrichards

    There is a memo from the Obama camp now posted by Lynn Sweet about Hillary’s foreign relations experience. It is written by one of Obama’s aids.

  • mj

    Molly, there is an article about it upthread. it’s sexist garbage.

  • mollyjrichards

    sorry, didn’t read all the way up. Yes, the memo is sexist garbage.

  • Ms exit poll from CNN

    55% of Obama’s voters will not vote for Hillary in November
    72% of Hillary’s voters will not vote for Obama in November

  • dot48

    wish we knew how we could send support messages to Geraldine.

  • basil9

    The racist cr@p Bo started is gonna blow up in his face, either at the convention or in November. He’s another Elliot Spitzer in the making; a man who lives by the creed of “Do what i say and not what i do.” Why do you think Spitzer is disintegrating before our eyes? it’s because of his arrogance, his pompousness, his self-righteousness, his the ‘rules apply to everyone except me” attitude. With Elliot it was corruption and law and order. He got buried in a cesspoop of his own making. Same thing will happen to BO with his “different kind of politics’ and the hypocrisy of what he actually does and says. No one is so despised as a hypocrite.

  • obama took a swipe at Lou Dobbs. Put CNN on Lou Dobbs about to respond. Bambi knows nothing about the press you don’t call out a reporter with an hour nightly TV show and a 3 hour daily radio show.

  • mj

    Well, we were never going to win Mississippi in a GE anyway. LOL

  • dot48

    Hillary said in an interview about an hour ago that she disagreed with Geraldine’s remarks. That is all that is necessary.

    Geraldine is not an adviser to Hillary’s campaign and it looks to me like Obama is going to grasp at every straw out there.

    Hillary said she didn’t agree..that is all she can do. It’s not like Geraldine is a paid employee or unpaid adviser.

  • mj

    BO is just like Bush. He is always calling out the media. Hill just wants fair coverage. She doesn’t want preferential treatment. I’ve always said Hill’s camp needs to hire some pretty young women as spokespeople. You’d see a complete turnaround fro Matthews et al. They are such pigs.

  • birdgal

    dot: does she have a website?

  • Joe Friday

    HILLARY RALLY

    Harrisburg – 6:00 PM EST

    Livestreaming:

    w*w.whptv.com/

    Click on blue “Watch the rally” on the right-hand side.

  • rjk, swipe at Lou Dobbs? Please explain.

  • debbie

    I get this thing called directv news mix and I can see all the news on fox,msnbc,cnn,headline news,+ business channels simultaneously. I keep the sound off but i can switch audio on to which ever one interests me. it’s cool

    just a note, I notice cnn might have got our message today about equal coverage. they seem to be using a split screen with Mr. O and Hillary when they are talking about the race.
    thats better than nothing.

  • dot48

    Bring it on Lou…let him have it.

    Lou seems to be the only voice of reason over at CNN right now…

    tell me what he says..I’m not able to watch

  • timjcain

    I just want to share a little good news
    6 weeks before the pa primary hill has two phone banks in the downtown pgh area and i have seen an incredible mix there young ,older, black white only problem at 41 i was the oldest guy.
    also a gentleman i called yesterday who was from a union told me that he had to report my phone call to his union and the hill campaign.
    seemed odd but i simply referred him to official contacts.
    other than that what i see is very positive women stopping at lunch and saying i have a few minutes what can i do.

  • Wolf didn’t say what the swipe was only that Dobbs will be responding. Just said it again and Dobbs will respond after commercial break

  • birdgal

    timjcain: has the guy’s union endorsed BO?

    Dot: what is Bo calling out Lou Dobbs for?

  • I guess you can send an email to Geraldine’s booking agent. I am sure they will get forwarded to her.

    http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/speakers/Geraldine-Ferraro/461

  • mollyjrichards

    Lou Dobbs is saying Obama is not well informed. And that somebody seeking to lead this nation should be well informed.

  • birdgal

    Molly: Lou is right.

  • Missed it had to let the dog out

  • dot48

    lou dobs…Obama is pandering…

    Lou’s next hour will be something to watch

    7pm..be ready.

  • mj

    So what did he say about Lou?

  • regarding the earlier post about HIllarys foreign policy work:

    Greg Craig delivers a point-by-point take-down of Hillary’s alleged expertise in all matters international:
    On Hillary’s involvement in brokering peace in Northern Ireland: “She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy…. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on.”

    Ok I’m really getting sick of this! I just put up loads of stuff on this at hillaryworldwide.org from 1996 to 2008 and I still have boxes of newspapers got scan in because here in the North of Ireland many of our newspapers are only now just getting on the web so no archives. But I saved many papers. And I know first hand the work she did here both on the ground and politically. I have been involved in Irish politics for MANY years, and I know! Also, that article that started all this was written by a British tabloid reporter from the telegraph UK which is a tabloid paper here and has a history of being anti-Irish and does Herndon the reporter. As for David Trimble, his career ended quickly when he refused to implement the good Friday agreement. No one has heard from him for years, until now when this so called reporter dug him up to make comments. John Hume however disagrees with Trimble and caused Mr Herndon to re-write another article this time with Mr Humes comments contradicting Trimble see below:
    former SDLP leader John Hume insisted Mrs Clinton had played an important role.
    Surprised
    “I am quite surprised that anyone would suggest that Hillary Clinton did not perform important foreign policy work as first lady,” Mr Hume said.
    “I can state from first-hand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland. She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process.
    “In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.”
    Mrs Clinton has made the North key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience.
    “I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland,” she told CNN on Wednesday.
    Central to Mrs Clinton’s claim of an important role is a meeting she attended in Belfast with a group of women from cross-community groups.
    “I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together; and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.”
    Mary Fox, the wife of a former IRA prisoner and one of the seven women at the meeting, said she had been there on behalf of the Footprints community centre.
    “It was quite a political change for the women’s sector after the visit of Hillary Clinton,” she said. “We would love to see her as president. She spoke to each of us and was very interested in our work. She was lovely.”

    And please visit hillaryworldwide.org as I have her work documented from 1996 to 2008, thanks

  • mollyjrichards

    Obama says that Lou said we should “send ’em all back” (speaking of ‘illegal aliens”) I hate that phrase by the way, illegal “aliens”. Lou says he wouldn’t send any of them back. And spoke directly to BO right in the camera.

  • timjcain

    yes his union has endorsed bambi
    however i was not calling with anything but info as to where bill was going to be appearing

  • mj

    This is a guy running for President and he’s picking a fight with Lou Dobbs??? I’m supposed to take this person seriously?

  • I guess that Bambi is just upset that he can’t have all the CNN anchors and chatterheads on his side all the time.

  • birdgal

    tim: some people don’t realize that phone banks do not distinguish between the members of different unions. the guy is a moron.

  • timjcain

    birdgal
    i was remiss he told me he was pro hill but had to report the call

  • Unions may be tracking the number of calls voters get to report that info to the campaign to see how well they are saturating the state

  • dot48

    tim .. so the phone you are doing is different than what we at home are doing? I’d like to phonebank to tell people where some of the events are being held and who will be doing that. I wonder if it could be arranged for us to do that?

  • meiyingsu

    3/11/2008
    Statement from Campaign Manager Maggie Williams
    In January, NBC’s Tim Russert confronted Senator Barack Obama with a four page memo from his campaign characterizing statements they claimed the Clinton Campaign had made about race. Asked in hindsight whether he regretted pushing this story, Senator Obama said:

    Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff, get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we’re setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.”

    We agreed then. We agree today. Supporters from both campaigns will get overzealous. Senator Clinton today reiterated that when asked about Geraldine Ferraro’s recent comments:

    “I do not agree with that and you know it’s regrettable that any of our supporters on both sides say things that veer off into the personal. We ought to keep this focused on the issues. That’s what this campaign should be about.”

    Senator Obama’s campaign staff seems to have forgotten his pledge. We have not. And, we reject these false, personal and politically calculated attacks on the eve of a primary. This campaign should be about the leadership we need for a better future and these attacks serve only to divide the Democratic Party and the American people.

  • MJS

    PElosi is SO fuckn in the bag for Bam Bam:

    A so-called “dream ticket” scenario – the idea that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama could join forces this fall — may have gripped the imaginations of Democrats nationwide – but you can list House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as a skeptic.

    “I think that ticket either way is impossible,” Pelosi told a New England Cable News reporter Tuesday, pointing to comments from Clinton and her campaign that implied Republican John McCain would make a better commander-in-chief than Obama.

    “I think that the Clinton administration has fairly ruled that out by proclaiming that Senator McCain would be a better commander-in-Chief than Obama,” she said.

    She spoke bluntly about her view that a joint ticket was not in the cards, she said, because “I wanted to be sure I didn’t leave any ambiguity.”

    The California Democrat, who has remained neutral throughout the party’s primary process, said she remains an uncommitted superdelegate.

    Related: Does Clinton benefit from so-called ‘dream ticket’ talk?

  • jr

    What else are the exit polls showing??

  • Here’s what Ferraro said, and I think this has been obvious all along.


    Ferraro, the Democratic Party’s vice presidential nominee in 1984, told the (Torrance, California) Daily Breeze that “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
    from taylormarsh.com

  • birdgal

    mjs: Pelosi is in the tank for Obama.

  • timjcain

    dot 48
    its 6 weeks to go in pa until primary. the campaign has both bill and hillary that can draw crowds. a lot of the venues are decided last minute so i have had the joy of calling people in small towns in north western pa to say that prez clinton is gonna be at your high school tomorrow can we count on you to be there. great experience.

  • Once Hillary gets the nomination and cleans house at the DNC she needs to make sure that the only state allowed to hold a caucus is Iowa and all primaries in 2012 are closed, to thwart bambi from trying to pull what Kennedy pulled in 1980 against Carter. Obama will never accept even if offered the VP because he does not have thye patience to wait 8 years to become President. He will start campaigning immediately for 2012 when he loses the nomination.

  • timjcain

    Hillary must stand behind Ferraro

  • debbie

    in response to Jack Cafferty “Will Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama have the momentum going into Pennsylvania?

    “This is a no brainer Jack,
    Barack has the momentum
    how else would you describe someone going downhill as fast as him.
    Now that everyone is seeing that they’ve been “hoodwinked” by his empty suit, he has few left to that will break his fall.
    slam,bam,bang!!!”

  • jr

    Did you just read what Pelosi said. She is an idiot. If Hillary isn’t on the national ticket somewhere, we will lose. Why would she even open her piehole. Hillary never said that John McCain would be a better commander in chief than Barack Obama (even though he probably would). She said that McCain brings his lifetime of national experience, she brings her experience to the White House, and Obama brings a speech.

  • jr
    Nothing suprising, Obama winning the 18 to 29 age group and Hillary winning the 65+ age group. Nothing else yet. they said more coming up.

  • mj

    Ok, I just left a message for Pelosi.

  • timjcain

    why iowa why should they deny all workers required to work non traditional hours?

  • timjcain
    She will once the polls close in MS

  • MJS

    OBama has the popular vote sewn up. It’s only a matter of who comes out stronger in the delegate count ‘cuz Hillary has a ery good chance to do so.

  • tim,

    Even though I do not like caucuses, Iowa seems to be the only ones they do it without fights breaking out. Personally I would like to see them done away with, but she will face a revolt if iowa is told to use a primary.

  • dot48

    Pelosi ought to be impeached. The byotch doesn’t belong near a podium. Every time she opens her mouth.

  • mj

    MJS Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
    OBama has the popular vote sewn up. It’s only a matter of who comes out stronger in the delegate count ‘cuz Hillary has a ery good chance to do so.

    What the hell are you talking about? Not after MI, FL and Penn.

  • timjcain

    iowa
    in my understanding allowed out of state student to vote for bambi and in addition to that allowed people to come into the state stay at a hotel and register. and how many of the students voted again in thier home states? I s there any way of knowing?

  • debbie

    I agree with Geraldine Ferraro, she’s said exactly what many of us think. I am sooooooooo race fatigued.

    Most democrats believe in equality,fairness, human rights and civil rights, so it is absolutely lame for anyone to accuse us of being racist.

    BHO get over it..YOU ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN, stop blaming democrats for all the discrimination and racism!!

  • timjcain

    why does that state have any weight at all ever.

  • MJS

    ^^ Calm down MJ. I’m talking about Mississippi. Geez.

  • Joe Friday

    OandrewD,

    Joe PA is not an opened primary. And you cannot make it illegal for person to switch their voting party.

    I know you cannot ban it, but it should at least be as Texas did it. You can switch, but then you cannot switch again until after the general. I realize some might still do it, but numerous people were deterred in Texas.

  • plural

    Pelosi should stick to doing her job in Congress.

  • MJS
    How do you figure that Ed Rendell beat Lynn Swann by nearly 900,000 votes in PA in the governors race. Even if Hillary wins by have that Obama in big trouble with the overall popular vote as Hillary will win IN, WV, KY, PR and it will be close in NC. Not to mention Hillary will win a revote in FL if that ever happens.

  • MJS

    Pelosi just doesn’t want to lose her distinction as the highest ever elected female in the USA after only 2 years or so of having the title. lol

  • birdgal

    mjs: I was wondering about that one too. 🙂

  • mj

    Oh, lol, ok MJS. I’m so upset. I really told Pelosi off, but I wish I could to her face and not fricken voice mail.

  • MJS

    geez ppl. I’m talking about the popular vote in Mississippi. When did I mention the overall pop vote? Calm down.

  • dot48

    bambi gets cocky everytime he gets even a small victory. I would shudder to think of his tactics with foreign leaders, allies and enemies. This is not the time for an inexperienced, lame ass, shoot off at the mouth leader. We have that right now and look where we are. That is my argument that he is not qualified PERIOD

  • mj

    MJS Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
    Pelosi just doesn’t want to lose her distinction as the highest ever elected female in the USA after only 2 years or so of having the title. lol

    You got that right. Jesus, the only reason I supported her as Speaker was because she was a woman. I want her tossed out!

  • skmf12

    as you know i work for united airlines and am an active member of the machinist union, (whom by the way are avide supporters of hillary).
    an article i found interesting, didnt know about mccain…

    If the Air Force officials who awarded a $40 billion contract to Airbus and EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co.) were betting the outrage over the deal would die out quickly, they gambled wrong. A formal protest filed today by the Boeing Co. will be considered by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to determine if the multi-billion contract was properly awarded.

    From Seattle, WA and Wichita, KS to Washington, D.C., elected officials are going ballistic over the Air Force’s decision to outsource an entire fleet of U.S. military aircraft to a consortium that is heavily subsidized by European governments. “This is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen,” said Rep. Norm Dicks (D-WA), who echoed the sentiments of many lawmakers in the House and Senate who were stunned by the decision to bypass Boeing, a U.S. company that has been supplying the Air Force with refueling tankers for nearly 50 years.

    The controversy gained fresh legs when Air Force officials admitted the impact on American jobs was not one of their criteria for awarding the contract, which could eventually be worth as much as $100 billion. Boeing officials also claim the Air Force changed its criteria after the bidding was underway, further favoring Airbus.

    Leading the charge to give Airbus a leg up on the historic contract was none other than presidential aspirant John McCain (R-AZ), who prodded the Pentagon in 2006 to develop bidding procedures that did not exclude Airbus.

    “Awarding this contract to Boeing would support at least 44,000 U.S. jobs in 40 states,” said IAM International President Tom Buffenbarger. “Instead, billions in U.S. taxpayer dollars will be used to create jobs in Toulouse, France, and give European countries the potential to influence U.S. foreign policy to an unprecedented degree.”

  • MJS

    Bambi can win all the Idahos and Alaskas in the world. That still doesn’t make him qualified to be president.

  • terrondt

    the delegate vote in mississippi is key. not the popular vote. hope for the best!

  • mj

    WTF would Pelosi open her trap? That woman is such an idiot.

  • MJS

    I think Hillary can at least tie or come close to tying the delegate count in Mississippi. If she can do that, Obama’s goose is cooked. Last heavily AA state for a while until North Carolina. I suggest the Hillary campaign start building a formidable force in Indiana and North Carolina as Bambi concentrates on stemming the loss in Pennsylvannia. That way, she can eliminate North Carolina advantages for Bam Bam and withstand any bussing or cross over volunteering from Illinoisers for bam Bam

  • Tiny Dancer

    Skmf – My mom’s a Machinst as well (represent!). She works for Boeing here in Seattle. They’re incensed to put it lightly.

  • MJS, re: popular vote….you do mean Miss only, right? Because Hill will *likely* have the overall popular vote when this goes to convention.

  • MJS

    It’s funny how Pelosi is so daring with her own party, yet quails like a chicken in the face of Dick Cheney and Bush

  • debbie

    I love you guys, where else would I find this passion for Hillary.

  • timjcain

    pelosi = envy

  • Wednesday March 12
    Pennsylvania Poll
    Survey USA
    Hillary +19

    You go girl.

  • Tiny Dancer

    Pelosi lost me with “Impeachment is off the table” :/ WTF Pelosi, no really WTF?

  • “You Gotta Believe”

    Obama will win the popular vote in MS and Hillary will win the most deleagtes.

  • curiosityhasme

    Locale: Denver, CO
    When: End of August
    Heroine: Sen. Hillary CLinton, starring as Denver’s own UNSINKABLE Molly Brown, survivor of the Titanic
    Villain: Sen. Barack Obama, starring as the Titanic – hits an UNSEEN iceberg (more revelations to come on Rezko, Middle East $$ Ties, Ayers, Farrakhan, TUCC-Wright, MO persecution-complex projected onto the American public, MO corrupt ties to hospital industry in turn for favors) and tanks in its maiden voyage

  • jr

    Where can I view the exit polls??

  • CNN is broadcasting the exit polls on TV once in a while and does not release them online until right before the polls close

  • debbie

    Lou Dobbs: “Bring it on Obama” up next on cnn, plus Airbus report

  • Joe Friday

    Here we go.

    ABC World news throwing up President Clinton’s picture along with Elliot Spitzer and David Vitter, conflating one person’s private life with the other two’s lengthy ongoing ILLEGAL relationships with prostitutes.

  • Independent Ben

    Evening all –

    I expect the vote in MS tonite to look a lot like Alabama, where BHO will get his usual 85-90% of the black vote, and Hillary will win the white vote by about 75%-25. I would expect repub cross-overs and independents to also go for Hillary.

  • Spitzer needs to resign now!! AP reporting he has been a client of the Emeror Club for years and has spent around $80,000 on prositutes.

  • Actually, I may be in the minority, but I think this scandal with Spitzer and the attempt to bring Bill into it is going to pay dividends for Hillary. Many people will empathize for her, especially women. That can’t hurt.

  • birdgal

    debbie: I can’t believe that BO is getting into it, with Lou Dobbs. This is not a smart campaign strategy (if one call this a strategy).

  • Caroline

    $80,000 on prostitutes? Ewwww….that’s NASTY.

  • Cross over vote may be lower than other states as they have congressional primaries on the ballot in MS today. I agree those that do cross over most will vote for Hillary.

  • debbie

    Does Monika Lewinsky know that ABC thinks she’s a prostitute?

    why else would they put Bill Clinton’s photo next to Spitzer?

  • SpacegirlArt

    Hi gang…how is everyone?

    I have been so damn mad all day and ASHAMED of where we are going in the Nation. It made me want to leave so badly.

    I will fight long and hard to bring the win to Hillary, but they are SO STACKING THE DECK, if Obama wins in November, I will not stay here. We will have completely lost any sense of decency…in politics, the press…all of it.

    Do I dare even turn the television on?

  • SpacegirlArt, my wife and I are seriously considering moving to France.

  • basil9

    spacegirl,

    Only to listen to Dobbs. Word is he’s tearing BO a new one.

  • skmf12

    dancer,

    GO UNION !!!

    at least we have balls enough to fight for what we want…
    (okay maybe not balls)…and thats why we love hillary, she has always been our friend…
    obama? not so much….

  • plural

    80K seems unlikely — how much do they pay the gov. in NY?

  • Plural, Elliot is independently wealthy. His father is big money in New York.

  • Fox just ticked me off, they flashed on the bottom of the screen “Obama won big in Alabama”

    In the only race that matters he won 27 delegates and Hillary won 25. wow he blew her out didn’t he?

  • Tiny Dancer

    SpaceGirl – I think Lou Dobbs is going to rip Obama a new one, so that might be fun to watch!

  • skmf12

    caroline,

    no he was ‘nasty’…
    but seriously, thats just too much information, i really dont care or want to know about the things those old men do…

  • Independent Ben

    Check out Taylor Marsh’s site where she smacks down this op-ed written by someone named Orlando Patterson. Patterson came up the idea that Hillary’s 3AM red phone ad was racist (so what else is new?), and compared it to Birth of the Nation and the KKK. OMG, I really feel there is just insanity spreading in this nation right now – and Obama and his thugs are fanning the flames. Anyway, Patterson concluded that Hillary’s ad wouldn’t have been racist if a black child or something had been it. Turns out, one of the children WAS black or was at least “of color.”

  • mj

    That Patterson piece is ridiculous. BO’s supporters play the race card any time the guy is criticized.

  • plural

    I don’t know about Spitzer’s background, but this whole thing is fishy to me.

  • Joe Friday

    debbie,

    why else would they put Bill Clinton’s photo next to Spitzer?

    The ‘Clinton Rules’.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Thanks for the greeting guys! And France sounds nice, but I was thinking New Zealand.

    Big day here in Tampa, CentCom Commander resigned. Disagreed with Bush. Gates siad it was the right thing to do.

  • Independent Ben

    Woot – Bambi picked a fight with Lou Dobbs heh. He shouldn’t anger Lou.

  • SpacegirlArt

    OK have Lou on

    I read that Patterson ed this morning and was OUTRAGED and wrote a comment to say so.

  • basil9

    Hehehehehe!

    No one can say socio-ethnic-special-interest groups like Dobbs.

    And he says BO is pandering to them as well as misrepresenting his (Dobbs) position on immigration.

    Can’t wait to hear that segment.

  • @space

    hey girl!!

    I got all the stuff up on the hillaryworldwide.org site regarding her work in the North of Ireland. arranged vrom 1996 her early stuff right up to 2008 She was pretty much responsible for getting women into politics here, the men ruled the roost here till she got the women together. She started a group called vital voice with the then NI secretary Mo Mowlam who herself was a BIG part of the peace process. She and Hillary worked on many things here during Mo’s years. Hillary also did much work for children here and cross community projects, later she met with the leaders regarding the peace process. What people dont realise is that the GFA came about years ago but was not fully implemented until quite recently, so she had a bigger role here from 2001 and on, meeting with the leaders of England Ireland and the north as well. She was given the peace award from here and many other award for her work here.And, best of all John Hume as forced that idoit reporter from the telegraph to re-write his article, and Hume hinself said she played a good role in the peace process here. finally some results:) so feel free to point people to the site who need any proof of her work. hillaryworldwide.org

    btw when you sendin those fritos LOL:):):)

  • obama beter have a translator handy so he can understand what Dobbs has to say.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Bambi, his wife and all these surrogates are a nasty ass bunch of angry people. MO…telling women AGAIN in PA to not strive for more than the “helping class”

    Basically, the same thing blacks in power have done for years….tell other people it is BAD to move up!

    They are making me sick. And it isn’t a race thing, it it a severe distaste of their hypocracy.

  • Independent Ben

    SpacegirlArt, yep and you notice that insane stuff like this only occurs when there’s a SC or MS voting . . .

  • @space

    he tailors his talks for what state he is in, SUCH a phony!!

  • jubjub

    cnn ms exit poll
    thepage.time.com/cnn-mississippi-exit-polls/

    65 years of age and older: Clinton 56%, Obama 44%

    17-29 years of age: Obama 67%, Clinton 32%

    Democratic voters: 59% McCain unfavorable, 37% McCain favorable

    Obama voters: 55% unsatisfied if Clinton is nominee, 44% satisfied if
    Clinton is nominee

    Clinton voters: 72% unsatisfied if Obama is nominee, 26% satisfied if Obama
    is nominee

  • mj

    17-29 years of age: Obama 67%, Clinton 32%

    Insane.

  • linfar

    Hi, everyone–

    Just scanned back a bit to see what is going on 🙂

    I am working on a piece about Hillarys Amazing North Ireland peace efforts. Our gal was really hoppin. Good stuff. Just wanting to pull it together so no one canfail to see she helped bvring peace!!! And that Lord Trimble guy, really ought to shutup or his wife is going to cut him off. No doube about it.

    I like Ferraro. Anybody know how to contact her to say good on ya?

    I am sort of drfeading Miss. results. and the msm crowing and the whole routine we have all been through ad nauseum now.

    I too think Maggie is Fantastic. She doesn’t let Obama peddle that race shit on her watch.

    Well, that’s my 2 cents on a range of topics.

    over and outski.

    lin

  • Clinton voters: 72% unsatisfied if Obama is nominee, 26% satisfied if Obama
    is nominee

    Howie Dean should pay attention to these numbers

    we just might riot:)

  • basil9

    Plural, Well 80,000 divided by 5,000 = 16 visits since 2004. That amounts to 4 visits per year. 👿

    I agree that there is something weird about the timing. The man who ran the prostitution ring is an official for the IRS, Mark Brenner.

    Conspiracy theory time – Spitzergate exploded to deflect attention from Rezkogate, Craiggate, Farakkhangate, Wrightgate, etc.?

    And I KNEW BM would try to link HRC to this mess. Oh well. BO is looking worse and worse. How many of HIS advisors have had to resign or apologize for inappropriate remarks? let’s see: The guy today, Powers, MO, Gooolsen, his pr rep, Rice……

  • Independent Ben

    Hey! Check out this picture of BHO done by CNN. Are they trying to make him look BLACKER than he really is? /end sarcasm.

    http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

  • SpacegirlArt

    Clinton voters: 72% unsatisfied if Obama is nominee, 26% satisfied if Obama
    is nominee

    another month and it will be 90

  • Tiny Dancer

    Clinton voters: 72% unsatisfied if Obama is nominee, 26% satisfied if Obama

    I don’t know if those stats are a sign of the race overall or if it’s just Mississippi. : /

  • basil9

    ‘Obama has distorted and misstated my positions while pandering to
    socio-ethnic-centrist-special -interest groups. Well, I’m gonna set him straight about my position.’

    Up next.

    You go Lou!

  • Tiny Dancer

    Is it safe to drive on vicodin? I took half of one 3 hours ago (I’m very small, so 1/2 affects me like whoa). I need to go to the store and get some tea and mashed potatoes.

    My dog should be taking care of me, lord knows I take care of her ass all the time.

  • Lou is really smiling, he can not wait to smack Obama down.

  • MJS

    TD , best not to.

  • dot48

    bambi doesn’t even know what that means Lou! He’ll have to have one of his Yale/Harvard advisers figure it all out ..

  • Independent Ben

    I don’t believe it. This Newsweek article is actually pretty good – about what to look for in MS tonite.

    http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/03/11/what-to-watch-in-mississippi.aspx

  • MJS

    Newt Gingrich is Rallying the REpublican base for McCAin

  • mj

    NO TINY!!!! Abosultely not. Vicoden can make you feel as though you are ok, then you slide off the road. Call a friend or order in. You can not go out.

  • dot48

    td .. don’t drive.

  • dot48

    :snicker:

    Obama attacking Lou Dobbs

  • dot48

    world class panderer…if he is going to pander, he needs to do it well!

  • dot48

    disinformation campaign .. Barack Obama

  • Hi Lin:)

    I added much more today, there are some really good ones that when you read them you can clearly see she was meeting with politicians.

    People not from here wouldnt understand how it is here, but much happens due to public statements she made, I know that sounds daft but it is true. Her statements carried much weight politically here, they forced movement when there was no movement, and they showed where the US govt was and that was powerful back then. Remember no other president got involved and when clinton did he took heat from Blair in the beginning, ANd the biggest thing was that clinton was told not to shake hands with Adams, but he did and it was caught in a photograph and sent around the world, that was the beginning of movement and it took off from there. Hillary was there the entire way, she was paramount in many issues here and still is today.

  • Tiny Dancer

    Thanks guys! I’ll just wait a few hours and see if I still need. tea. now. and then see if my mom can bring some over. I don’t take painkillers, ever, so I don’t know how it affects me. Muscle relaxers knock me into tomorrow.

  • dot48

    Rush will chime in next.

  • Cast yer vote for Lou!

  • Tiny Dancer

    Go Lou! Even the poll is about Obama.

  • plural

    The MSM came down like a ton of bricks on Bill Clinton when he gave Jerry Adams the visa.

  • linfar

    hi experience mvH–will do. Stuff is great. You did a lot of work

  • AmericanGal

    wow, don’t mess with Lou Dobbs! He’s really going at Obama over his comments..

  • skmf12

    did he say ‘PANDERBAMA’?

  • basil9

    YIPPEE!!!!!!

    “Bo is a world-class panderer. Well, I’m going to out-pander you, Senator. And may I suggest that the next time you pander you do so with a bit more style? Here. I’ll show you how it’s done.”

    “Senator Obama has deliberately misrepresented my position and he owes me an apology.” LMAO!

    Why DID he get into it with Dobbs? (I know – stupidity).

  • Do the quick vote….

    Do you believe Senator Obama is intentionally misrepresenting my position on illegal immigration?

    http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

  • Independent Ben

    Now, what BHO said – THAT is fear-mongering. Saying that people like Lou Dobbs want to “round them all up and send them back”

  • just in…….well the Dems didn’t manage to get rid of waterboarding, the evil shrub vetoed it.

    i think they should use it on bush

  • SpacegirlArt

    Some Preliminary MS Exit Polling Add to Hotlist

    by Todd Beeton, Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 06:57:12 PM EST

    Some data from early Mississippi exit polls is starting to trickle in.

    From The AP:

    Blacks, who have supported Obama in overwhelming numbers in earlier primaries, accounted for roughly half the ballots cast in Mississippi, according to interviews with voters leaving polling places.

    Nearly one in five Democratic primary voters called himself an independent. About one in 10 was Republican.

    Depending on what “roughly half” means, this could be an indication that African-American turnout is lower than expected as all recent polling (this post at Pollster shows the demographic breakdowns of the latest ARG, Insider Advantage and Rasmussen Reports surveys out of Mississippi) assumed between 53%-55% African-American turnout.

    In addition, it’s interesting to note that the exit polling is showing Clinton supporters being far less charitable toward Senator Obama than Obama supporters are toward Senator Clinton. What this means for the potential results tonight is anyone’s guess.

    — Six in 10 Obama voters said he should pick Clinton for vice president if he wins the nomination; four in 10 Clinton voters said she should pick Obama as her running mate if she wins.

    — Nearly three-fourths of Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama wins the nomination. Little more than half of Obama voters would be dissatisfied with Clinton.

    — Nearly half of Obama voters said Clinton has offered clear and detailed plans to solve the country’s problems. Only about one in five Clinton voters said that about Obama.

    More as we get it…

    Permalink :: 40 Comments, 40 new

  • FEAR MONGERING amongst Hillary’s base of Latino support.

  • Independent Ben

    Hehe – 82% yes vote on Lou’s poll. Momentum!

  • Lou should have challenged bambi to a debate.

  • plural

    well we all know how great the press is dont we:)
    there would have been no peace process without Clinton and Adams, clinton knew this, hes one sharp cookie:)

  • basil9

    “Did I mention that Senator Obama is welcome to come on the show anytime to discuss Border Security, illegal immigration and pandering?”

    Dobbs is priceless tonight!

    ROTFLMFAO

  • MJS

    GO Mississippi Clinton supporters~~! lol

    These exit polls show that these are MY kind of ppl 😀

  • linfar

    plural, so true. he was a huge force in the peace process. Recognizing Gerry Adams and bring him over was HUGE!! Of course, here it was not well understood, that the troubles were essentially a fight for Catholic civil rights. there was a lot of violence on both sides, but the protestants killed way more catholics. Way more. Plus they had the British from 1978 to the peace accord running the country. (I may have that date wrong 🙂 I am 3rd generation Irish, and I have to say I was raised to hate the brits. My Dad never had a good word to say about the British. Not one. lol

  • plural

    Is MS on central time?

  • Obabtrons voting in mass now down to 63%

  • Independent Ben

    @SpacegirlArt, hmm, this might not be the blowup that Bambi is hoping for. . . I heard the AA vote was expected to be around 58%

  • Lin

    thanks:) I had forgotten about all that she did, some of the things with children. And the DemocraShe org wa another good one. Vital Voices has gove international big time with many other nations taking part and hill come back often to speak at it

  • Do the quick vote….

    Do you believe Senator Obama is intentionally misrepresenting my position on illegal immigration?

    http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

  • Tiny Dancer

    It always feels like a different station when Dobbs is on.

  • linfar

    I don’t hold out much hope for Mississippi. half of the voters are AA. c’mon. they aren’t going to ditch satan now.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ben…i missed Lous question. What was it?

  • @space

    I registerd on myDD and tried to post ther yesterday, but everytime I try to make one it tells me too large only 50 characters no matter how tiny I make them WTF???

  • SpacegirlArt

    It’s now 53/47 yes. GO VOTE! LOL!

  • Independent Ben

    It was: do you think Obama intentionally misrepresented Lou’s position on illegal immigation.

  • basil9

    ‘”Three prominent talk show hosts will join us when we come back. They’ll give us their take of Senator Obama’s attack on me.”

    Oh man!!!!!!! Lou is a bulldog! He ain’t gonna let it go! hahahaha.

    This is tooooooo delicious!

  • The Obama-bots are hitting Lou’s poll like crazy…they can’t stand it.

  • plural

    My mother was Irish and talked about Cromwell as if she remembered him.

    Bill Clinton knew how to cut the Gordian knot, so to speak. I love him for that.

  • linfar

    espereiendce, it is a reference to the headline. Just cut it down to 3 words or so 🙂

  • SpacegirlArt

    EMVH…I have NO CLUE

    I am sure someone here can help you

    and fifty tiny characters are the same number of characters as fifty large ones 😀

  • dot48

    those Mississippi voters who would be satisfied with Senator Clinton are the ones who are bloc voting. They voted for Obama out of loyalty and most likely secretly hope he is not the nominee. They know Hillary is qualified.

    The Hillary supporters will not accept him because he is not qualified .. that is simple fact..

  • birdgal

    Lou Dobbs is great (and I never thought I’d say that). Thank heavens, someone is calling Obama out on his pandering. Obama is going to regret the day, that he tangled with Dobbs. I think, his campaign is getting way too cocky and arrogant.

  • basil9

    Spacegirl,

    Kaffeen posted it above. Here’s Dobbs question.

    Do you believe Senator Obama is intentionally misrepresenting my position on illegal immigration?

  • dot48

    ^^strike Senator Clinton .. insert Bambi. I don’t give him reference of Senator either, has he actually done ANYTHING since he went to Washington?

  • dot48

    I said upthread..he gets cocky after he wins one.

  • SpacegirlArt

    @kaff “The Obama-bots are hitting Lou’s poll like crazy…they can’t stand it.”

    ya know sumpin Kaff? I am beginning to think there is some Obama suto dialer/typer/responder.

    I have a very hard time believing there are THAT MANY obama folks sitting around aware of EVERY program or news story or guest on C-Span that create the OVERKILL of a response to denounce ANY criticism of 👿

    It really is strange and it SMACKS of BIG BROTHER

  • debbie

    Ferraro warned Mr. O….”don’t mess with me”

  • curiosityhasme

    Have to admit the most fun and relaxing time in past year was the week in Florence, Italy. So civilized, mannerly, polite, accomodating, simplistic, CULTURED, laid back, HAPPY, wine with every meal (moderate) walked everywhere, Smart cars if any cars, no “rat race”, and no worries of VIOLENCE. Maybe our country (as far as quality of daily life) could take some lessons from whence we came in the “take note” department. Our European ancestry needs to have a major comeback, as far as I’m concerned.

  • Independent Ben

    @linfar, some of us are thinking that it might not be a huge blowout like everyone expects – and that Hillary could actually get an even delegate split. Turnout is lower than expected among AA’s, and indies and repubs crossing over will probly go for Hillary about 65-70%. She’ll probably win the overall white vote by about 75%.

    If the vote comes down like that, BHO has nobody to blame but himself.

  • linfar

    I have always, always, always liked Lou Dobbs. he is fair, courageous and will listen to other sides,even give them a voice on his show without demeaning them or insulting them. I think his stand on illegal immigration is courageous. I live in a town about 70 miles north of the mexican border where 60% of the residents are illegal. You have no idea the impact this has on this town. And I think he is right. Americans will do the work if we pay them 10 an hour which is the rate for illegal labor here. don’t get me started. I worked for Cesar Chavez way back when and thre is not a prejudiced bone in my body when it comes to Mexicans. but illegal immigration is going to sink our little boat. the onlyh people it really helps are the corporate interests who hire this labor and don’t have to pay minimum wage, benefits or anything else. Pleas don’t all stone me now. I have been so attacked for tryhing to tell people who don’t live with it, what illegal immigration is like.

  • SpacegirlArt

    curiosity…Florence is wonderful…annd yes, I agree. We have become so crass, so violent, so arrogant here, and or press is corrupt.

    No wonder the world can’t stand us anymore.

  • There are ways to manipulate these polls with software. I have better things to do, but I’ve thought a few times about doing something. These college kids have a ton of time on their hand though.

  • birdgal

    linfar: Did you hear that Gavin Newson wants to give undocumented workers, sanctuary in SF?

  • Independent Ben

    Well, Lou advertised ahead of time that he was gonna smack BO down. So I’m sure word spread quickly on the huge Bambi Blogs, and they all tuned in.

  • Joe Friday

    NBC Nightly News aired video of Bambi in Pennsylvania flatly accusing the Clinton campaign of releasing the photo of him in the Somali garb.

  • linfar

    From your lips to god’s ears, Indy Ben, I just have been so hopeful before that I am afraid I guess. the AA vote is always huge and 90% for him. And I guess I really don’t know who the independents and repugs go for. I used to think it was Obama. maybe Rush has had an impact on that 🙂 If anyone had told me a year ago I would be thanking Rush Limbaugh, the hater extrordinaire, for anything, I would have said you are out of your frigging mind. lol 🙂

  • Maybe Lou should have asked, did we all just “misunderstand” Obama’s misinterpretation of Lou’s stance on immigration. Since all Obama-bots know that we just misunderstand poor little Bambi all the time. Nothing is his fault. Noooooooo.

  • SpacegirlArt

    ah…well…perhaps they should go DO SOMETHING for their “movement” rather than trying to stifle democracy.

    I have to take the dog out. BRB

  • linfar

    Yeah, I did hear that about Gavin. I have given up on illegal immigration. If you plug in to the plight of the people you will give sanctuary, if you look at the impact on our society, you will say, “Whoa.”

  • plural

    right enough, without Clinton we’d not be where we are now. I am old enough to remember the bad days. Even now we have a far way to go yet. About once a month someone gets burt out of their home because they are catholic, but it used to be several a day so that’s what we have to remember:) all in all we are getting there and it’s much safer now, most people on both sides want to move forward, there are still tiny pockets of people stuck in the past but they are dinosaurs now:)

  • dot48

    So bambi returning to the photo again. I think Hillary’s investigators need to get to the complete “Bottom” of that photo .. once and for all. Let if fly right back to them.

  • Independent Ben

    linfar,

    Well it’s unfortunate – but the vote in a state like MS will come down largely on racial lines. And Bambi going into MS, trying to use race with talk of “hoodwink” and “bamboozle,” only makes it worse.

  • birdgal

    linfar: He is making a run for Governor of CA.

  • dot48

    don’t forget tomorrow. da Money bomb.

  • linfar

    Obama is a smear artist like I have never seen. He could give Richard Nixon a run for his money. it is just smear, smear, smear. He will not discuss the issues.

  • There is a pattern to Satans useing the race card, its just before or during a primary, he is so transparent!

  • birdgal

    JOE: NBC Nightly News aired video of Bambi in Pennsylvania flatly accusing the Clinton campaign of releasing the photo of him in the Somali garb.

    Why is this such a big deal???? He is making mountains out of molehills. Hasn’t that picture been available for awhile? How would that even benefit Hillary?

  • Independent Ben

    @dot48 The campaign knows he is using this photo again. The story was on a Hillhubb fact thing this morning. Hillary needs to call him out on this though. I want to see a youtube of him using that photo, alongside of what he said at the debate.

  • debbie

    Lou Dobbs has been a champion for the middle class, even if it means taking on the controversial subject of undocumented immigrants. He can be quite contensious in that regard, but I like his shoot from the hip style. He says it like he sees it and he is usually right in most cases. I respect his perspective.

  • lin he has the best smear artists o n his team. nasty group of people they are.

  • Question of the night:

    How many minutes after 8:00 will CNN call MS?

  • linfar

    Yeah, IndyBen, I couldn’t believe he was using the bamboozling talk again. He is ruthless. lt is like the big lie. The bigger, the more people seem to let you get away with it. I think his campaign is shameless. Do you know why another of his staff had to resign today–over some email or something?

  • Kingsgrove

    * FactCheck.org debunks the “Obama’s Darker Skin” nonsense:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/did_clinton_darken_obamas_skin.html

  • linfar

    rjk1957, I think they will call it within one minute of the polls closing 🙂 And then spend the rest of the time talking about how BO’s momentum is back. vulture vomit. Arf. arf

  • Independent Ben

    @linfar, it was some crazy e-mail from someone on his LGBT staff. It basically was hitting Hillary for whitewater, cattle futures, Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, every pardon Bill Clinton ever did, on and on.

  • dot48

    I’ll call Mississippi for Obama right now LOL

    There is no drama like big media trying to make. I heard that Matthews has gone to Ms .. or is it someone else?

    Anywho..Miss is not even in our ballpark and we know it.

    That is why tomorrows MONEY BOMB is so important .. we need to let her know that WE HAVE HER BACK.

  • I hope she whips his arse in PA

    i’d love her to win really big there!!! like over 60%

  • I’m turning the Boob Tube off and reading a book, g’night folks.

  • I say they will call it when they announce the polls are closed.

  • plural

    And when Hillary won OH and TX last week, they took forever to call them for her.

  • linfar

    birdgal, I don’t think Gavin will win governorship. Not after the scandal when he fgot dcaught with his partner’s wife. These guys are something,areen’t they?

  • plural Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
    And when Hillary won OH and TX last week, they took forever to call them for her.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    yes they did so they could keep talking about his vermont win
    the only one he got LOL

  • linfar

    rjk–you are probably right. LOL. What a farce it all is.

  • Independent Ben

    Kingsgrove, thanks. I’ll save that one to come back at some Obamabot with

  • linfar

    Indyben, at least he is firing the staffers now.

  • dot48

    American Idol is on at 8pm..that is where I’ll be.

  • birdgal

    linfar: He is too liberal for Southern CA. He is one of many, seeking to run for the governship. Yes, these guys are too much.

  • basil9

    “This is the second time he’s gotten into it with me.

    I don’t think much about the quality of his campaign.”

    Don’t mess with Lou!

  • dot48

    American Idol is on today in the USA?? we get it on Friday here, guees tahts so we cant vote 🙁

    I love amanda, carly, david and jason:)

  • linfar

    birdgal, well, that too. but the scandal will never leave. he is done in politics.

  • curiosityhasme

    Here’s what’s happening in the narrowing gulf between us and them (Hannity, Limbaugh, Rove, Beck, etc.) Thething we ALL have in common is the absolute fear of God that this country could actually be led by an inexperienced, empty suit who plays the race card to substitute for his emptiness, has corrupt ties to the Nation of Islam and the Middle East ($), terrorist-ties, Rezko-Chicago-Iraq corruption, and stands for more hypocrisy than this country has ever experienced, AND is throwing out and dismissing the huge population of baby-boomers and what’s left of the “Greatest Generation”, that saved this country, along with FDR. Our young people haven’t a clue. They aren’t paying $3+ for a gallon of gas, tuition, mortgages, car notes, insurance, taxes. Their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles are! Why in the hell are we taking this crap? Enough! Let’s just all say it like it is. Our young people are being sold a bill of goods because they hate the rat race they see – so Obama is the alternative? HELL NO. C’mon people! You damn straight John McCain is a better deal, behind Hillary Clinton – and it is becoming increasingly clearer to those of us with a lick of sense. If George W. Bush is the worst president we have ever had, he will be next to the last when compared to the dangerous Obama. We have to wake these morons up from their Obama-induced trances – starting with MSM, MSNBC and CNN – except for Lou Dobbs, they are pathetic.

  • linfar

    I gotta split–haha, remember that phrase…second childhood here

  • Independent Ben

    wow, CNN is not calling it…

  • basil9

    linfar,
    Before I moved to the Catskills coz of health problems, i lived in NJ, in what had once been a good neighborhood. After 911, there were thousands of people streaming into NJ and within 6 years what had once been an area of single family houses were now home to 2,3 and 4 families. The children of these families were enrolled in the school district which was required to implement all kinds of ESL programs, etc. my taxes went up, the services went down, crime rose and the neighborhood deteriorated.
    Those are just the facts. It’s not racist or anti-immigration. It is simply the reality. I understand where you’re coming from.

  • mj

    Remember how long they took to call RI for Hill. It was “too close to call”. She won by 19 points.

  • 91% AA voters for Obama give me a break talk about racism.

  • Independent Ben

    Heh, Bambi won the voters who said that race was important…

  • dot48

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/30042.html

    redo .. Florida .. by mail

    Only registered democrats.

  • carbynew

    rjk1957 Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
    Once Hillary gets the nomination and cleans house at the DNC she needs to make sure that the only state allowed to hold a caucus is Iowa and all primaries in 2012 are closed, to thwart bambi from trying to pull what Kennedy pulled in 1980 against Carter. Obama will never accept even if offered the VP because he does not have thye patience to wait 8 years to become President. He will start campaigning immediately for 2012 when he loses the nomination.
    *****************************************************
    I disagree no caucus anywhere and if Iowa wants to keep the caucus system….then they can’t be first any more. I’m tired of this crap!

  • SpacegirlArt

    wow i was expecting to come back in with a big picture of Obama on the screen…or are they BS’ing and just want to drag this out?

  • mj

    spacegirl, they prolly just want to drag it out.

  • SpacegirlArt

    HOW BADLY HAS SHE ALIENATED AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTERS????

    WTF!?

  • mj

    SpacegirlArt Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
    HOW BADLY HAS SHE ALIENATED AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTERS????

    WTF!?

    Jesus, Spacegirl. It’s not her.

  • SpacegirlArt

    The Clintn’s started making race a big issue?

    WTF’ing HELL

    I HATE THESE PEOPLE

  • plural

    “empty suit who plays the race card to substitute for his emptiness”

    I can’t forgive him for this. After all the hard work people did over years to heal racial tensions in this country.

  • SpacegirlArt

    I KNOW this…
    that was TWO DIFFERENT NETWORKS

    and NOT MSNBC

  • mj

    That’s what they are saying??? Are you effing kidding me???

  • birdgal

    AA’s are voting for BO, because he is AA. That’s it. End of story.

  • Tiny Dancer

    I’m so glad I have drugs today.

  • SpacegirlArt

    sorry guys…those were quotes from “reporters”

  • Independent Ben

    I think spaceart was just repeating what she heard someone say on TV

  • SpacegirlArt

    CNN and FOX, respectively

  • mj

    Hahahaha!!! WTF is this? What country am I living in? Are these people out of their effing minds???

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ben, yes

  • Paula

    birdgal, But no one’s allowed to mention that what’s going on is a lot of identity voting. Everything has to be the Clintons’ fault.

  • Joe Friday

    CBS Evening News sees ABC and then raises them. Lumped photos of the Clintons in with Spitzer and his wife, and Vitter and his wife.

    But then they dragged Sally Quinn out of her crypt to have her lump Hillary in with the other two wives.

    Tut Tut.

  • plural

    They KNOW it wasn’t the Clintons who started the race baiting.

  • Paula

    mj, They are indeed.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Whatcha wanna bet Obama is already getting ready to file lawsuits in PA

    ALSO, the PA spin is already starting. “PA is not as easy for her as Ohio”

    “Obama has time, all he needs is time and he wins people over”

    another five weeks of this shit and I am going to go postal.

  • Paula

    Joe Friday, That’ll just piss off women voters even more, the media treating Hillary like nothing more than a humiliated wife.

  • birdgal

    spitzer is in his own category, with a prostitution ring. To lump BC into this, is shameful and uncalled for. What idiots!

  • Paula

    Spacegirl, He had five weeks to “win people over” in OH and TX, too. Let them keep propping him up and underestimating her.

  • Media still afraid to say on the air that no AA has ever won a statewide election in PA

  • jr

    Somebody seriously needs to contest the caucus results in Texas. How can you apportion and say that BO won the caucus when all of the precincts haven’t reported in yet. Something needs to be done.

  • birdgal

    space:Whatcha wanna bet Obama is already getting ready to file lawsuits in PA

    For what?

  • SpacegirlArt

    You guys know what we are seeing from the front row, right?

  • Independent Ben

    KO – what an idiot he is. He says – 3 candidates and eventually it will come down to ONE GUY. lol

    I can’t wait to see his face the day of Hillary’s inaugural address

  • SpacegirlArt

    birdgal…preparing in advance for anyone who is late to the polls and it happens to maybe be drizzling in the next county

  • mj

    What are you saying, spacegirl?

  • SpacegirlArt

    so he can keep the polls open until August so everyone can vote

  • plural

    I suspect the BO campaign is behind the comparison with the Clintons. After all, they were asking the media last summer when they would start covering Bill Clinton’s sex life. Any excuse to get that on the tv again.

  • TPS

    EXIT Polls:

    Hillary first, Obama next

    HUGE racial divide in mississippi

    Are you:

    Male (43%) 40% 59%
    Female (57%) 41% 58%

    Sex by race

    White men (23%) 69% 30%
    White women (27%) 74% 26%
    Black men (20%) 7% 93%
    Black women (28%) 11% 89%
    Latino men (0%) – –
    Latino women (0%) – –
    All other races (2%) – –

    Are you:

    White (49%) 72% 27%
    Black (48%) 9% 91%

  • space

    but only in his areas, not hilllarys

  • Paula

    Spacegirl, at 8:14: Not sure what you mean.

  • Fox just said delegate totals will be very close 17-16 or 18-15

  • debbie

    I firmly support Geraldine Ferraro and I do not want any apology. I am sooooooooo race fatigued. Everything we say is being scrutinized and used against us as racist.

    Mr. O’s campaign has pushed the race card not Hillary and…I wish Mr. O would quit saying WE are racist….. EXCUSE ME??

    Democrats white black and in between have stood tall against racism and discrimination, we have fought side by side for civil rights, human rights, equality and fairness.

    Enough!!!!! Somebody please call them on this!!!!

  • carbynew

    The progressive reporters are pushing this race card thinking it will ultimately help Obama but it will not in the long term…unfortunately Team Obama has burnt alot of bridges with the race baiting and his candidancy will not hold up….Soon the MSM will turn on the “Annoited One” and the AA community will turned too….I’m just hoping that it won’t be too late.

    I guest this AA is in the 15-25% that supports Hillary and will continue to support the Clintons. But more importantly is my deep anger at the progressives in the Democratic party that condone, allowed and sponsered this kind of tactic on a fellow democrat who is NOT a racist.

    If Obama can’t handle the kid glove treatment Hillary is giving him I don’t see him standing up against the pressure to be the Dems nominee for POTUS and to defent the Repugs…Just don’t see it in him.

    Also I’m very disappointed in CNN and MSNBC, so I now on CSPAN, PBS and FOX also local news stations, which I find a little fairer will be my TV news source.

  • SpacegirlArt

    I posted a comment over at Mydd tonight pointing out the media spin right now. Kill off the woman, make the Black dude look kool, then eat him alive with the Republican candidate so a WHITE MAN has to SAVE THE COUNTRY.

    They will send women and AA’s back to the kitchen where they belong

  • skmf12

    I THINK RATHER THAN DONATE MONEY TO HILLARY, WE SHOULD HOLD A MONEY BOMB, TO HAVE A FULL PAGE ADD TAKEN OUT, THAT LISTS ALL THE THINGS THAT OBAMA HAS LIED ABOUT, TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHY HE HAS WON AND STOLEN THE CAUCUS STATES. WHY HE STARTED THE RACE BAITING, AND OTHER VITAL INFORMATION…

    than hillary’s camp would not be blamed, cause she wouldnt know a thing about it….

    but the world could read it in the new york times or wherever…
    and it would get press time….

    i dont know why we dont f*cking fight them hard, if hillary cant…

  • spacegirl

    want a tall glass of guinness:)

    might help:)

  • plural

    Good news about the delegates 🙂

    debbie, yes, I am fed up with the race accusations. What you said.

  • Paula

    So the worst we’ll see from the losses in WY and MS is a net loss of five delegates. I’ll take it.

  • TPS

    Party by race

    White Democrats (24%) 74% 24%
    White Independents (13%) 59% 39%
    Black Democrats (44%) 10% 90%
    Black Independents (3%) – –
    Latino Democrats (0%) – –
    Latino Independents (0%) – –
    All Republicans (13%) 78% 22%
    All other (2%) – –

    election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/exitPoll.shtml?state=MS&race=P&jurisdiction=0&party=D

  • mj

    Notice no one wants to touch the lower than expected AA turn out in TX, I think OH, and now Miss.

  • birdgal

    mj: CA had lower than expected AA turnout, too.

  • TPS

    Hillary won White Democrats, independents and republicans. Obama won black democrats.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Paula…sorry, I was harkening back to Ohio, where OObama filed suit at 7:50 to keep the polls open (via a law suit) because it was RAINING (and they said they ran out of ballots, which was proven UNTRUE)…he just wanted the polls open in SPECIFIC COUNTIES FAVORABLE to him so AA’s could vote LONGER than THE REST OF THE STATE

  • skmf12

    FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO, WE SHOULD HAVE A RESPONSE, WE COULD START HAVING LATINO GROUPS, AND WOMENS GROUPS, AND ASIAN GROUPS, AND DEMOCRATES WHITE AND ALL, SPEND OUR OWN MONEY ON OUR OWN 527’S… OR WHATEVER…

  • dot48

    well, we are in Pa now and Hillary has the campaign going full steam.

    We have to keep the $ rolling on. We want to watch the KO’s and BlisterAsses have to cover her take oath. I’ll give until I’m out. I’m in till the end.

    Let’s make tomorrow IMPORTANT ONE for the campaign.

    Let’s roll with big MONEY DROP.

    Tell everyone you know and keep asking. This is important.

  • plural

    TPS, are those 13% Republicans voting in the Dem primary?

  • Independent Ben

    TPS, if blacks were only like 47% of the turnout, then that is a VERY low number and is bad news for BO. One of the electability arguments he is claiming is that he can increase turnout nationwide among black voters by about 30%

  • SpacegirlArt

    WILL DO DOT

    and then I can take MO’s advice and never strive to be anything but a worker bee

  • Independent Ben

    @mj, that tells me that he is not generating the excitement among black voters that he once was. I can imagine a lot of them might vote for BHO simply because of peer pressure

  • skmf12

    WE COULD MONEY BOMB OUR OWN NEWSPAPERS IN PA.
    WE COULD TELL THE TRUTH THE WAY WE KNOW IT HAPPENED,
    AND CALL IT ‘THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND’…

    come on people, lets fight back…
    okay, just saying…
    in the union, we would have slimed em already…

  • dot48

    I’m telling you all, the phone banking I did to Mississippi .. the people all but said they felt pressured to vote for the “bro”. I’m serious .. I actually did think he’d pull out 100% black turnout.

    Just goes to show that he really can’t win anything but aa areas. DNC wakeup.

  • Joe Friday

    Lehrer did a nice contrast of the candidates on energy policy as they each spoke to crowds in Pennsylvania. Bambi touting windmills, Hillary pointing out that his advocacy of wind energy is great, but he voted for Cheney’s energy bill in 2005.

    SMACKDOWN.

  • SpacegirlArt

    67% of the youth vote…

    what percentage were AA?

  • Independent Ben

    But they were expecting like 55-58% of the vote to be AA . . . and it looks like the turnout instead will be more like 47%

  • basil9

    skmf12,

    ‘WE COULD MONEY BOMB OUR OWN NEWSPAPERS IN PA.
    WE COULD TELL THE TRUTH THE WAY WE KNOW IT HAPPENED,
    AND CALL IT ‘THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND’…’

    I LIKE that idea. how do we do it?

  • mollyjrichards

    dot48: I don’t doubt the pressure angle for one minute and this makes me really uncomfortable and unhappy. THanks for the reminder about the ongoing needs for funds and contributions.

    The Obama campaign strategy reminds me of something out of a novel that I’ve read. I’ll get a handle on it in a minute, having a senior moment.

  • Colleges in MS all closed this week for spring break. Youth vote was around 13%

  • mj

    That’s why he’s fighting the VP spot so hard.

  • SpacegirlArt

    OMG

    more people in Mississippi think Obama is more qualified to be president

  • mj

    To be expected Spacegirl. He won the popular vote by about what 20 points.

  • debbie

    SpacegirlArt

    “Kill off the woman, make the Black dude look kool, then eat him alive with the Republican candidate so a WHITE MAN has to SAVE THE COUNTRY.

    They will send women and AA’s back to the kitchen where they belong”

    **You are so right!**

  • Obama expressed concerns about mail in votes in FL and MI. Gee what about the Texas caucuses barck? Your precinct captains have not turned in their packets yet. Hillary sue to have Texas caucus results invalidated.

  • debbie

    basil9

    we should call it what it is “Democrats against the race bait tactics of BHO”

  • Independent Ben

    MSNBC is doing nothing but talking about Geraldine Ferraro . . .

  • Independent Ben

    MSNBC showed the clip where BHO was hitting Hillary for the damn picture, but made no mention that the whole thing had been debunked, and that BHO had said he would drop it

  • mj

    Ferraro said what everyone is thinking, but it’s not fair to say he’s “lucky”. It may be true, but unfair. But really who cares?

  • Caroline

    After all this and they basically split the delegates? LMAO

  • Caroline

    Independent Ben, CHANGE THE CHANNEL…OMG.

  • Independent Ben

    caroline, I did lol

  • debbie

    James Carville is so cool…

  • dot48

    so what exactly is delegate .. watching Idol

  • mj

    debbie, what did he say?

  • Paula

    debbie, Is he on CNN?

  • TPS

    plural, that is 13% republicans voting in the Dem primary.

    IndBen, black turnout does seem to be lower than expected. It was also low in Texas. Maybe they are not
    as excited by him. I wonder why that is?

  • skmf12

    basil 9,

    well i dont know how they set it up, but people here know how we could do it…
    but we could have a full page ad, that has large type with what ever the title is, than we could just not do it in paragraph form, but rather in bullet points…

    WHY BARACK OBAMA WINS THE CAUCUS STATES:
    barack obama has the advantage in caucus states, because his para-military tactics used to dominate, infiltrate, and intimidate caucus goers, has proved successful, ect ect ect…

    WHY AND HOW, BARACK OBAMA STARTED, AND HAS SUCCESSFULLY USED THE RACE BAIT TACTIC, TO STEAL A PRIMARY:
    ^%$#876$$#21&(() ECT ECT ECT…

    SO WE HAVE GREAT WRITERS HERE, WE HAVE NEWSPAPER PEOPLE HERE, WE PROBABLY HAVE SOMEONE FROM PENNSYLVANIA THAT COULD FIND OUT HOW MUCH A FULL PAGE SPREAD WOULD COST US…

    WE COULD THEN SET A GOAL AND RAISE THE MONEY, AND, WE COULD TELL EVERYTHING THAT HILLARYS CAMP WONT AND CANT SAY…

    I GUESS ITS STUPID,

  • jithendra

    with 1% reporting it is 53 – 44

  • dot48

    peeps do not watch msnbc ..it is a gang rape of Hillary. don’t subject yourself to that trash.

    tonight has been set up so the bashfest of Hillary can continue .. take yourself away from the situation. We know the results.

    Send reminders to admin here for moneybomb tomorrow.

    Haven’t seen Idunn today .. reckon she is okay? I remember she was having meat loaf today LOL

  • debbie

    hey hey…..watch those numbers coming in…so far not too bad!

  • jithendra

    it is 49 – 49.. can you believe it

  • mj

    jithendra Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    with 1% reporting it is 53 – 44

    He wins by abour 16-20. It’s in the exits.

    Please, all, do not start any “race bait” sites. That won’t help Hill. People will figure it out on their own.

  • jithendra

    with 3% reporting.. it is 49 – 49

  • another_reader

    i never watch msnbc.. what did carville say?

  • debbie

    dot48 Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
    peeps do not watch msnbc ..it is a gang rape of Hillary. don’t subject yourself to that trash.

    tonight has been set up so the bashfest of Hillary can continue .. take yourself away from the situation. We know the results.

    ******so right you are******

  • Independent Ben

    A couple of counties just came in for Hillary. It’s 49-49 with 3% vote in

  • Paula

    MS has pretty much the same demographic makeup as SC in the Dem primary yet Obama isn’t going to come close to winning MS by the same margin. Think about it …

  • dot48

    I’m in for a full page ad .. we do have creative writers here who could frame OUR issues .. and who could say it like it is without getting us in political correctness jail.

  • mj

    John Edwards isn’t in the mix.

  • wbboei

    Spacegirl: my guess is they do not “think” he is qualified to be president, they “feel”that he is ready to be president, with the essential caveat that they have no idea what the responsibilities of the job entail. Plato warned us about this.

  • Hillary in the lead now by 32 votes

  • SpacegirlArt

    Dot, lol re: Idunn!

    Watch American Idol instead of the we hate hillary racists on the news.

    but here is a long but intresting story from St. Pete times on mail in vote.
    http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/11/State/Florida_s_vote_by_mai.shtml

  • debbie

    jithendra..Carville said the only thing repugs have are old white men and older white men hahaha that was funny..he was referencing the diversity of the dem party by contrast

  • mj

    Please do not do that dot. That would hurt Hill. You can simply lay out the attacks and the charged rhetoric, but blatant accusations will not help.

  • If she keeps winning her counties with over 60% it could be a good night for her, not a win but close

  • another_reader

    i agree mj, people will get sick of the crap. i am. waaaayyyy sick of it. there’s a backlash in the blogosphere i think.. after kos put up that BS about darkening obama in an ad which was a complete lie and bonkers on top of it, who would do that???, not to mention this insane nyt oped out today

  • jithendra

    clinton leading now.. 56 – 44

  • filbertsf

    rjk, what are you talking about? Didn’t HRC lose MS already?

  • SpacegirlArt

    wbboei…you are so brilliant.

    where do you live and how do you feel about fifty-year old gay women who favor Lauren Bacall?

  • filbertsf
    They only projected Obama the winner based on exit polls. People do lie on exit polls.

  • jithendra

    53 – 45

  • basil9

    Dot, skm, deb,

    I’m in, too. Who’s gonna coordinate?

  • filbertsf

    Oh. Okay. I just clicked on Yahoo and the headline said that Obama cruised to a victory in MS. Like I told you guys, I stopped watching the news and rely on internet and you guys.

  • anbritt

    I have to chime in here. As an AA I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of the “racr card” that the media types discuss over and over! I knew from the start that BHO was going to win black votes in huge numbers. I know my race, that being said, I am disgusted by the way he talks down to black voters. He is playing identity politics. This may helpwith the nomination but it will fall far short for the general. AS far as Ferraro is concerned..really what did she say that was soooo wrong? I have heard the same thing so many times before. She is entitled to her opinion. My God, we can’t say his middle name, we can’t talk about his childhood(which he claims is his foreign policy experience) we can’t discuss his lack of experience..what else? I hop HRC does not disassociate helself from Ferraro…enough is enough! He does not address issues relating to the black community at all. Bamboozle, my ass! This guy is seconds from disaster…

  • another_reader

    npr news reporter ron elving, on mississippi returns: if barack obama wins 60% of the delegates as well as 60% of the vote, he would essentially erase the delegate lead hillary got from ohio.

    reporting on things that haven’t happened? what? and also unlikely to happen given proportional allocation of delegates, am i right?

  • jithendra

    how could CNN projects him as winne while he is trailing by 6 points with 4% results in.. can’t they wait till he got good lead… hahaha

  • SpacegirlArt

    (I’m in for contributing to a full page ad!)

    but for a lot more if I can ever reach my lawyer and get a check from the property we sold! LOL

  • mj

    Guys, the exits will be pretty close.

  • SpacegirlArt

    wouldn’t it be funny as shit if Hill pulled this off in Mississippi with ALL networks (and NYT) calling it for Bambi

  • debbie

    the numbers are still coming in and Mr. O is giving his victory speech blah blah blah

    I expect he will ultimately take it but its nice to see Hillary ahead as of now 😆

  • filbertsf

    Spacegirl — Dewey beats Truman!

    Sadly, I think with 60% of Dem voters being AA, MS may well go to BO.

    Onwards and forwards to PA!

  • skmf12

    I DONT KNOW IF ITS THE WRONG , SHOULD WE FLOAT THE IDEA NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE THINK? OR NOT…

    JUST SAYING MAYBE WE SHOULD GET INTO THE MIX AND JUST PUT IT ALL OUT THERE…
    MAYBE IT WOULD RESONATE, MAYBE NOT…
    AND DARE SHARPTON TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT, WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT ETHNICITIES HERE, CANT SAY WE ARE RACIST…

  • dot48

    didn’t somebody already say the delegates would be closely divided?

  • carbynew

    mj Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
    To be expected Spacegirl. He won the popular vote by about what 20 points.
    *************************************************
    Obama hasn’t won anything yet and it is too early to call any election. But looking at the early numbers Obama didn’t do as well as he should.

    Also I like that most of Obama voters want Hillary on the ticket…That tells me her support is very strong with his supporters and they are very comfortable with her.

    While in turn Obama lost major support with core democrats that are swing voters….very interesting development for the democratic party…Hillary gets stronger while Obama gets weaker.

  • jithendra

    she is still holding on with 6% in

  • Dot

    Fox said it will be close on the delegate front

  • filbertsf

    Is it racist if I said that the AA voters are now all about race and don’t care about experience and qualification? So disappointing…

  • SpacegirlArt

    anbritt, thanks for your post. Why do i FEEL Barack Obama and the media is making me THINK racist? I grew up in atlanta. I went to school with MKL’s kids…3 of 4 of ’em. MLKIII was student Veep, I was Prez…there was NEVER any racism in MY family.

    ALL of the crime perpatrated against me, in Atlanta, in St Thomas…ALL BLACK YOUTHS, but I never felt annoyed at the ethnic group as a whole. This election, I am having a hrad time keeping that compass. And I blame MSM, BO & MO and I resent it.

  • anbritt

    MS will go th bo however the delagate split ewill be close because blacks are concentrated in gerrymandered districts. Thats why I was not impressed with SC victory.. These states are not going democratic in the fall. They have not black statewide elected officials. That is why I look at PA as a poss win for HRC…do they have any statewide elected officials who are black? I don’t know…can anybody tell me

  • DemAC

    I wrote a little diary on the subject of good judgment on the Kook blog entitled “All Barack Obama’s Men”. I strongly suspect this will be the very last thing I ever do on that blog. If you want a break and feel up for it I would appreciate a read and a rec.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/11/2138/37387/315/474634

  • another_reader

    i think if they go by district they should be close yes because mississippi districts i think some overwhelmingly white, others aa, so if the vote splits that way delegates also should be? that was what i read on talkleft lately but not 100% sure.

    skmf12.. i think most people in this country of all races have a lot more common sense than the news media and will see what is going on for what it is.

  • jithendra

    wow amazing with 8% in… it is 49 – 48 to BO… i think BO can’t win any of the staes southern states he won if he were to be nomineee…

  • dot48

    It was never suggested we had a chance in this state.

    The demographics are what is most important.

    This is a victory for us because Hillary’s supports is not SOFT support. His will go with someone else in the GE..Hillary’s support is based on strong conviction of real ideals of a candidate and her vision .. we will not just cave. The DNC better get used to having us around

  • Ann

    I’m shocked. CNN didn’t call RI until something like 50% of the VOTE was counted. They are calling MS based on EXIT Polls? And now they’re tied w/ 8% reporting. I don’t watch much TV because I am working mostly so I didn’t really have a first-hand sense of the depth of bias but this is insane.

  • skmf12

    ANOTHER,

    what does that mean, should we do it or not?
    a full page ad that is, telling all the wrongs that the media is covering up?

  • JAS

    Have the larger cities reported yet?

  • Independent Ben

    Although he really has consolidated his AA support, this is not a good night for him, if he loses white voters like 75-25%. And the rather depressed black turnout signifies that some of the air has gone out of Obamamania.

  • Ann

    Good news (for HRC campaign not for our country necessarily) is that the BIG story tomorrow will be huge racial divide. His cynical race baiting has come home to roost.

  • jithendra

    it is 49 – 48 with 9% reporting.. is BO in shock for today.. hahahahha

  • Independent Ben

    Well, Dan Abrams is anchoring MSNBC now. He’s at least fair. And he’s got Pat Buchanan on. Pat just laid out that if Hillary overtakes BO in the overall popular vote, she will win the nomination. 🙂 Go Pat!

  • terrondt

    good news so far but a lot of the aa areas have to report in yet.

  • hawk

    Wow, the racial divide is amazing, but no big surprise. Most republicans voted for her no? Either way I think we will do fine in the delegate count there. On to Pennsylvania 🙂 Don’t watch the media, watch Family Guy or something.

  • Ann

    What is the AA turnout vs. expected?

  • Only 2% of Jackson in and that just came in giving Obama the lead again.

  • SpacegirlArt

    @Ann re: did you see Dot’s post from early this morning?

    I commented on NO HILLARY on CNN yesterday….
    Dot followed up…

    here was her post.

    # dot48 Says:
    March 11th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    EVERYBODY LISTEN UP

    JUST SPOKE WITH CNN COMMENT LINE THIS MORNING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS “NO” COVERAGE OF HILLARY YESTERDAY AND SHE TOLD ME THAT:

    ‘THIS IS A DECISION BY THE PRODUCERS”

    ————–

    WE NEED TO BOMBARD CNN WITH PROTESTS ….

    CALL 1-404-827-1500

    also, here is a list that you can use to contact all the networks … need to contact each individual show

    CNN NETWORK PRODUCERS ARE TRYING TO ERASE HER FROM THE WORLD

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

    The gal I spoke to had a canned answer already…I asked her why would they refuse to cover a major presidential candidate and she repeated “it is a network producers decision”

    THIS IS EQUIVILENT TO CHRIS MATTHEWS AND DAVID SHUSTER .. CNN NEEDS TO HEAR YOUR COMPLAINTWS

    “I don’t watch much TV because I am working mostly so I didn’t really have a first-hand sense of the depth of bias but this is insane.”

  • anbritt

    SpacegirlArt

    I too resent the way BO has incorporated race into his campaign..when people like GF ar forced to defend what is obvious…she did not say anything wrong or racist…i hear much worse on right wing radio and thy make no apologies at all. I dispair. I look around at my friends and we don’t even discuss politics anymore..its all about race. some will even admit that bho is out of his league..but vote for him anyway…in my dark monents i believe that race relations will be set back somewhat. what really amazes me is that sometime in november, the media will look up and see that all those “victories in white states” mean nothing…cuz right now they have their heads firmly up bho’s ass…

  • jithendra

    50 – 48 with 10% in to BO

  • Ann

    @Spacegirl,
    Ok…which are the worst offenders? I’ll email as well

  • SpacegirlArt

    @Ann..”His cynical race baiting has come home to roost.”

    as i saw earlier when results started to come in…

    they will blame it on HER

  • jithendra

    wow it is 49 – 49 with 11% in.. what is going on… shouldn’t be this close right.. in alabama he was leading like 70 – 30 by the time 10% reports were reported

  • Ann

    @Spacegirl,
    yeah…supposed they will continue their narrative that she/Bill alienated their AA vote (although I think that is pure crap) but what is their story line re: white voters? That is where is his race baiting is “coming home to roost.’ White flight.

  • carbynew

    I’m NOT going to waste my money on a money bomb for an ad. Sorry but I think Hillary needs the money more.

    MSM is not stupid and they know they truth but some want to play “KINGMAKER” or are listening to those idiots in the DNC that think Obama is the future…HE”S NOT so it won’t be a huge surprise to us when MSM turn on his behind.

    My focus is to help Hillary win PA and PR and any others that she needs so no, I’ll rather talk directly to the voters and not worry about AA pity votes for Obama.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ann…CNN ELIMINATED COVERAGE OF HER AT ALL yesterday.

    I was not home today to watch, so I don’t know if it was different.

    I would REALLY LIGHT INTO CNN “the most TRUSTED NAME IN STATE OWNED TELEVISION”
    and do it by mail AND phone..

    all the other’s are almost as bad. See up thread for some example of the stuff folks sent around 10am -1pm or so

  • Ann

    Let’s just savor this for a moment (very unlikely to happen) but what if CNN had “dewey” egg on their face later tonight?

  • Independent Ben

    The problem is: the media will blame Hillary for injecting race and causing a racially divided result in MS. lol. They’re gonna say it’s all because of Geraldine Ferraro, which is ridiculous. This result is exactly how a state like MS votes, and it was probably exacerbated by BO’s “hoodwink” card, which NOBODY has mentioned. The result in MS is really almost identical to the result in Alabama, which was back on Super Tuesday

  • jithendra

    it is 51 – 47 now with 13% in

  • SpacegirlArt

    jit, are you watching or reading those numbers? If watching…any reaction from talking heads?

  • Ann

    only 4 points separating them and it looks like areas around big cities have come already substantially reported.

    Anyone know MS well? Are the rural areas that haven’t reported more “clinton country?”

  • mj

    filbertsf Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
    Is it racist if I said that the AA voters are now all about race and don’t care about experience and qualification? So disappointing…

    Filbert, I simply don’t think this is a fair statement. BO and his surrogates have riled up tensions, the media is building him up, and there is a lot of conflict.

  • skmf12

    carby,

    i know hillary needs the money, dont we all, but sorry, hillary is not going to do what should be done, and that is slam obama with every f*cking thing he and his campaign has ever done…

    if she would have done it a long time ago, we wouldnt be where we are today…

    maybe its not a good idea, but why not again?

  • jithendra

    i was reading number from CNN site… now it is 53 – 45… jackson reported 46% and it is 57 – 41.. harrison reported 45%.. and it is 50 – 50

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ann..in my calling for two days

    N and Central Miss…ALL clinton or Republican…VERY few AA’s I spoke to

    ALL but one I spoke to were BO.

    ONE older AA woman I spoke to though Hillary MUCH better candidate, she wants a woman in the WH, she LOVED Hillary but was undecided….

    What I IMPOSED on that conversation, was that she was pressured or torn

  • Independent Ben

    Yay – tune into MSNBC for this. Dan Abrams does this thing on Obama/Clinton called cheapshots, blunders, missteps. HE’S GONNA TALK ABOUT OBAMA SMEARING HILLARY with that damn photo.

  • Ann

    Based on a quick look at the county map on CNN and w/out great knowledge of MS demographics, I think that this could be far closer than expected. Tomorrow’s headline might be that HRC did far better than expected.

  • Independent Ben

    And also, Pat Buchanan was defending Geraldine Ferraro. He said it proves how passionate women are about Hillary’s candidacy and how they feel she’s been shafted in the media.

  • jithendra

    it is 52 – 46 with 18% in.. i think will it be below 10… then it is victory for hillary.. 🙂

  • ABM90

    OBAMA followers. OH WHAT FOOLS THESE MORTALS BE.I believe that is a quote from Shakespeare.So true today and for eternity. The OBAMA campaign is so similar to the story also by Shakespeare. It is called “The commutation Chop House”. I am 90 yrs old and remember from my high school class called ENGLISH LITERATURE.Time does not change human nature

    Hillary is the inevitable President for our endangered nation.

  • DemAC

    This is a really cool piece:

    h t t p : / / tomwatson.typepad.com/tom_watson/2008/03/the-few-the-pro.html

  • basil9

    .skm,

    I don’t see the problem with your idea if someone can organize the effort.

  • Independent Ben

    Tune into MSNBC for the next Dan Abrams sequence. It’s usually pretty fair. He’s gonna nail Hillary camp for Ferraro’s statements . . . probably. But he’s gonna also nail Obama for the picture smear.

  • Ann

    @Spacegirl,

    You said – north and central MS mostly clinton –

    well……many of those precints have yet to report and it is still w/in 6 points w/ most of Jackson county and surrounding areas (seems BO stronghold) reporting.

  • jithendra

    with 20% in.. it is 52 – 46

  • terrondt

    hillfans, hinds county, ms is a basten of obama votes. that is part of the reason of big media’s big obama projection is all about. only 2% reporting from there.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ben…no more MSNBC for me. In fact, it cost me more on my cable to have it. My bills are bout to go down and I want my CANCEL to register with the cable co. I can get all my misogynistic fixes here with real-time commentary!

  • jithendra

    with 23% in.. it is 52 – 46.. i don’t think it is big win for obama… 🙂

  • Independent Ben

    This Abrams piece is pretty good. He’s got just about everything that went down today – both camps

  • another_reader

    spacegirl, i feel about it this way.. when reading about this stuff in blogs and media, blogosphere in particular brings out the worst in people, and a lot of them are really quick to point a finger at others and say look! that person is racist. especially because they think it helps their candidate, and honestly i think a lot of these bloggers are closer to republicans if republican party hadn’t gone wacko from the religious right. political blog readership is overwhelmingly white male and at a comfortable income level. not hillary’s fan club exactly. i do hold obama campaign responsible for not putting a stop to some of their supporters intentionally setting up a false narrative accusing clintons of race baiting. i know it wouldn’t do any good to tell these bloggers and commenters that the clintons are good people who would never do such a thing. also, i have yet to hear any of the accusers explain what any possible benefit of a race baiting strategy could be?

    meanwhile, in real life i watched ohio/texas night returns at a dc bar where there were people of all races and nearly everyone in the bar was obama supporters and i didnt hear anyone say anything bad about hillary, even though they were disappointed. 🙂 i politely turned down free obama sticker from obama person who said that’s cool we are all democrats in the fall.

    bill said it pretty well i think that ppl might support hill because she’s a woman and obama because he’s aa and that is great.. most of obama voters will vote hillary in the fall.. i am mostly disgusted by bloggers and media who are suddenly worlds foremost experts on racism and so worried about it. otherwise nobody on these blogs or media cover issues of concern to aa community. its just easy for them to point at hillary and say she is racist, they call her every other thing too.

  • Ann

    So….on a lighter note. How do you insert those little smiley faces?

  • Independent Ben

    aww, watch this one piece space!

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ann…I made a pint to ask almost everyone I called WHERE they were (geographically) so I could get an idea. Now, I didn’t make HUNDREDS of calls, but probably 50-60 then the same amount next day. All were in same area on predictive dialer calls. There were a lot of Republicans, and some who like Hillary. NONE liked Obama, and MANY dems didn’t like BO AT ALL.

  • filbertsf

    Obama folks are pretty thin-skinned aren’t they?

    mj, it’s not just BO’s race-baiting. Many in the AA community that have just decided that they want a black man in office over someone more competent. In every state with a large AA voting block, HRC has lost.

    Prominent AA who supported Hillary have switched their votes. It’s about race now. Not the issues. Definitely not experience or competence. The AA community have turned their backs on the Clinton. My big fear is that when Hillary gets the nomination, they will turn their backs on the Dem Party and decide not vote in Nov.

  • Ann

    filbertsf ,
    Agree…HRC has a 96% rating from NAACP for god’s sake and she only gets 9% of their votes?

  • skmf12

    basil, okay lets talk about it with everyone tomorrow, see if we can talk to okie, or another lawyer first, see if they see any problems with it…

    if we have a general consensus that it would be a good investment, we will see who could write, who might think they could come up with a design, we can find out if anybody has any newspaper experience, like editing, and than we can afterwards, make a call to find out cost.
    if we wanted to do it, we could open it up to other blogs like at marshes site, people there give all the time, and they are as frustrated as we are, also we might see what larry thinks over at NO QUARTER, AND RIVERGIRL AND SOME OF THE OTHER SPOTS…

    but i guess we have to get either knocked down or backed up, the next day or two right?
    can you write?

  • jithendra

    hinds 33% reporting.. BO leading 82 – 18…

  • JAS

    When John Lewis changed his SD vote …. the campaign turned racist.

  • Ann

    Hinds is 33% in and it is still w/in 6 points w/ many counties up north not reporting.

  • jithendra

    now it 56 – 42

  • another_reader

    i guess a shorter version of what i would say..

    media will assume people vote for obama because they believe this crap and are angry at hillary. i don’t presume to know what everyone is thinking. but it is real easy for media to push a story saying that aa hate hillary (they figure everyone hates hillary right?), and not easy for them to say aa voters want to support a fellow aa. even though there isnt’ anything wrong with that, like bill said hillary gets womens votes because she is a woman.

  • SpacegirlArt

    reader “i am mostly disgusted by bloggers and media who are suddenly worlds foremost experts on racism and so worried about it. otherwise nobody on these blogs or media cover issues of concern to aa community.”

    this is especially true, and your post was quite insightful. Yes, I believe there are a lot of republicans and just general RACISTS on blogs who like to stir shit up, have a pathological dislike of Clinton and can get out their woman and AA hatred in one fell swoop. Part of the Rush Limbaugh strategy was to totally mess up the Dems (not to say he has done more than Dean & Brazile) so there is a good chance that the Republicans voting for Hillary (or Barack) are also adding their two cents to the blogs. There are also plenty of rabid 18 year olds.

  • Paula

    Spacegirl, Do you think those MS Repubs would support HRC in November? I know she won’t win MS but I wonder if that suggests crossover appeal.

  • terrondt

    i mentioned before hinds county is going to really put hillary far behind. the white rural counties might give hillary some much needed votes but hinds is the problem.

  • dot48

    OBAMA IN CHICAGO AGAIN TONIGHT….TWO NIGHTS IN A ROW HE HAS GONE BACK TO THE CITY

  • wbboei

    Ann@9:17: I agree.

  • wbboei

    dot 48@9:47: is that the wind off Lake Michigan or the sound of a shredder I cant tell.

  • SpacegirlArt

    skmf…perhaps it would be sufficient to print his voting record:

    call the MEDIA on the race baiting and the censorship andask if this is CHANGE?

    HIS OWN VOTING RECORD will make people run.

    quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413

  • basil9

    skmf,

    I can write a little and there are plenty of great people here who can tweak and edit stuff, I’m sure.

    Going to bed now and will look for your post tomorrow, or email me at hilaryhawke at mhcable dot com.

  • Ann

    terrondt,
    “hinds is the problem” …. yes you called it. Still within 12 and quite a few of rural counties have not reported…Hinds at 33%. This could be Ok…..in terms of story line tomorrow.

  • Paula

    Did anything happen at the Rezko trial today? Also, what’s the best site for getting MS results by county?

  • another_reader

    i really think a lot of political blog commenters should be libertarians and treat it all like sports. its ok to say stuff that isn’t true if it helps your team. i am sad that blogs supposed to be “democratic” do this as much as gop talk radio does.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Paula, I didn’t get the impression that the vote would go to November from Republicans, and there was apoll I saw that 90% of Repubs were happy with McCain…but I have yet to meet ANY hard core republicans (and florida is FULL of them) that can stand McCain. More DEMOCRATS like him.

    I think McCain will get a HUGE vote from Democrats if Obama is the nominee

  • jithendra

    it is 54 – 44 now with 33% in..

  • Ann

    @paula,
    Cnn…go to “politics” tab……you see county by country.

  • SpacegirlArt

    90% of the republicans in mississippi, that is

  • dot48

    There was a story this morning about blogs, etc. The percentage of people who actually read them was very low.

    The article I read said that most people still get the evening news from ABC/NBC/CBS. I swear.

    Look at CNN/MSNBC ratings, they are low, low.

  • Independent Ben

    @paula – go here and you can see it county by county

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#MS

  • Ann

    @Space,
    “I think McCain will ge a HUGE vote from Dems if Obama is the nominee”

    Couldn’t agree more……here’s what happens when centrist dems desert.

    In 1968, Nixon won 32 states while Humphrey won only 13 and Wallace won 5.
    In 1972, Nixon won 49 states while George McGovern won only 1.
    In 1980, Reagan won 44 states while Jimmy Carter won only 6.
    In 1984, Reagan won 49 states while Mondale won only 1.
    In 1988, Bush won 40 states while Dukakis won only 10.

  • JAS

    As I have said before…. I am waiting for the shoe to fall in the Rezko case …. it can’t come soon enough

  • Ann

    dot48,
    So how has coverage been (in terms of balance/fairness) at major networks vs. CNN, MSNBC, etc.?

  • debbie

    skmf12

    I think what you are trying to do would be a good plan for 527’s. Unless you are independently wealthy it would be very costly to get the broad coverage nationwide that I think would be needed for this type of tactic.

    I’m sure the Clinton campaign has thought this through. Their response is very messured so far as not to have Hillary drawn into the fray. This would really weaken her if she went down this road.

    Your comments to MSM is a good place to exercise your frustration. Don’t stop fighting, just direct you efforts to where if will have a positive effect. Hey make your own youtube video!!

  • Paula

    Thanks for the links, guys. 🙂

  • terrondt

    9 delegates for our girl. yay!!! keep going hillary!

  • skmf12

    DEBBIE,
    I WROTE MY FIRST LETTERS TO MSNBC BEFORE THE IOWA CAUCUSES, AND I CAME ON HERE AND BEGGED PEOPLE TO NOT WATCH THEM ANYMORE, AND I ASKED PEOPLE THEN TO COMPLAIN, TRUST ME, I’VE BEEN THERE DONE THAT…

  • Ann

    Earlier today, someone posted the results from the 1988 or 1984 race when Jesse Jackson and Al Gore ran….if you are on now…could you please repost?

  • dot48

    I’ve been watching Idol so I don’t know how MSM been doing.

    Isn’t it odd that Obama is back in Chicago tonight though? Again???

  • terrondt

    MSNBC IS HOPELESS. WHY BOTHER?

  • debbie

    skmf12,

    I understand your frustration

  • carbynew

    skmf12

    I know a lot of us are frustrated at the media but we need to stay focus on what helps Hillary the most and donating money to her campaign, making videos, writing letters to the SD and all the other work do achieve results.

    We have to stay disaplined so that we don’t hurt Hillary. GF can handle the media and what she said is nothing that Team Obama hasn’t said themselve…VOTE FOR THE AFrican American MALE.

    So, lets not feed Obama campaign, like they did ours.

    Our GOAL is to stay close to Obama…the media can frame which ever way they can but Obama didn’t win RI, OH and TX and that hurt his campaign more…now if the SD want to drank the Kool-aid, then so be it but I’m not going there with them.

    I just think a lot of Sexism is wrapped up in this Obama lovefest going on, like a woman president…oh no that make us look weak, crap.

  • JAS

    CBS is stating BO has 17 delegates and HC has 14!

  • debbie

    clintondem99 Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 10:24 am
    Jesse Jackson grabbed 45 percent of the vote in the Mississippi Democratic primary when he ran for the White House in 1988.

    Al Gore, at the time a senator from Tennessee, came in second with 33 percent of the vote. More than 359,000 people voted in that year’s Democratic primary. Only 76,000 people cast ballots in the 2004 contest, which John Kerry won overwhelmingly.

  • terrondt

    JAS, I HOPE YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THE DELEGATE BREAKDOWN. WHOOP!!!

  • carbynew

    You guys go watch FOX Hannity and Combs…you’ll feel better.

  • DemAC

    dot48,
    Perhaps Obama has got a lawyer, or two, to talk to. 😉

  • Looks like the predictions of a light turnout were wrong. Going to be over 300,000 voting not the 150,000 predicted.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Florida Dem Party wants to manage the revote by mail. Vic Demayo’s case goes to hearing on Monday. If 11th circuit uphold vote, Clinton would win, and Al Sharpton goes to court.

    Picture of Al Sharpton on tv with nothing but AA’s behind him.

  • SpacegirlArt

    carby…Eliot Spitzer on Hannity?

    who cares?

  • dot48

    I hope in the future that my last phone bank will not be into direct enemy territory…

  • terrondt

    carbynew, hannity is a “stop hillary express” guy but he turned his sights on obamanation now.

  • SpacegirlArt

    dot….i know it’s tough…but we MUST persevere!

    just be polite and say thank you

  • Independent Ben

    carbynew, I think the media are scared to death of Hillary Clinton – not because she’s a woman – but because she might actually change the direction of the country. The good ole’ boys club in corporate America is terrified of Hillary.

    These big media guys all get their paychecks from huge corporations – and they don’t want to see anything changed. They actually just want the status quo.

    But there’s a huge double standard that’s applied to Hillary – because she’s a woman. Hillary had to prove her toughess, on national security.

  • Spacegirl
    Sharpton can sue all he wants if the 11th circuit says seat them (highly unlikely) no lower court would overturn a higher court. If Demayo wins in the 11th the DNC would have to appeal to the Supreme Court and after 2000, I do not think they would hear the case.

  • jr

    There is seriously something wrong/racist when Hillary gets 6,000 votes and Barack gets 26,000 votes in Jackson.

  • jithendra

    hinds 78% reported… he got huge lead from there 20K votes…

  • jithendra

    wow.. am i living in USA… hahaha 🙂 voting pattern is similar to INDIA where people vote based on religion & caste.. hahaha funny 🙂

  • Barack caught on tape using his middle name. Why can he say it and no one else can?

  • hawk

    Fox doing a story on his middle name, if he can use it, is there a double standard? I love them temporarily 🙂

  • Maybe we are not allowed to use the lord’s name in vain

  • carbynew

    Has all of Hillary’s counties reported in?

  • SpacegirlArt

    Hawk! LOL “love them temporarily”

    ++++++++++++++++

    part of an email I just got from a Republican Friend in Jackson, Miss. But she MEANT it and will vote Hillary in November

    “Well, I did my part today. I voted Democrat for the first time in my life. I am sick about Obama winning MS. “

  • jithendra

    i feel after seeing the reults that she could have campaigned in MS

  • texan4hillary

    hillary, bill and chelsea were campaging there all up until last night.

  • hawk

    I temporarily like Sean Hannity…..temporarily….he is tearing this guy apart 🙂

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ben, exactly…and you can bet they are gonna be in McCains camp come fall…although Obama is really a co-opted republican, so they should be happy

    yeah! Media said NOTHING about “juan McCain” because of his stance on immigration

  • Ann

    You were right, terrondot. The vast majority of his lead came from one county – hinds county….population – 250 K. Huge county by MS stands and majority AA.

  • Independent Ben

    This whole campaign has been so difficult because AA’s are loyal to the Democratic party. But what about the Women of the Democratic Party as well? I mean, women make up the majority and have basically RUN the party for years now.

    Hillary is going to be the nominee . . . but the issue going forward is eventually going to be how to get the party back together, I’m afraid

  • SpacegirlArt

    WE HAVE LINKED NAMES LIKE (insert manical arab personality name here) to terrorists?

    WE did it?

  • dot48

    hmmm.. wouldn’t it have looked better for bambi to have been in PA, in front of a rallye .. accepting the accolades of Mississippi .. RATHER than sitting down in Chicago, IL.

    dayum…alan colmes looks like an old hairdresser…who the hell did his makeup tonight.

    Barack Hussein Obama seems to be ashamed of his own name.

  • Ann

    In what context is the tape w/ BO using own middle name?

  • TPS

    Guys, don’t let an expected result in Mississippi demoralize you. I don’t understand why you guys get your expectations up in a place like Mississippi and then feel dejected by the end of the evening. It is simply Demographics. Hillary will thump Obama in Pennsylvania. The race card he is playing has backfired on him and will do so even more substantially in PA.

  • carbynew

    Okay can someone please answer my question on has all of Hillary’s counties reported?

  • mj

    So what were the final numbers?

  • Independent Ben

    dot48, I agree. Is he “downplaying” his own win in MS? I think maybe he is.

  • Ann

    Sad but true. MS loss tonight helped solidify PA win in April.

  • Independent Ben

    It’s 58-40 with 72% in

  • SpacegirlArt

    Colmes is looking more and more like something out of Beetlejuice

  • SpacegirlArt

    big robust squarejaw CONSERVATIVE Hannity to weak, pale wimpy LIBERAL Colmes

    such tripe

  • Independent Ben

    carbynew, there are about 20 counties that haven’t reported yet. But I couldn’t tell ya whether they are Hillary or not.

  • debbie

    I think the vote, racist as it may be, could be a good indicator of BHO’s loss of support from white voters overall.

    Again I think this is brilliant strategy by Clinton campaign not to respond to this race baiting…..BHO wants to classify Hillary camp as racist and it looks like its going to backfire…

  • Berkeley Vox

    Independent Ben wrote:

    Hillary is going to be the nominee . . . but the issue going forward is eventually going to be how to get the party back together, I’m afraid

    …the solution is a joint ticket. As Bill Clinton said, having the two of them on the same ticket would be unstoppable.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ann…ya lost me

  • Here is why we need to be careful about spreading memes against mail-in. It’s an Obama talking point, to make a 50-50 split in delegates the only alternative.

    Good whole story here:

    h t t p : / / news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble
    Two co-chairman of Obama’s campaign in Michigan also say they’re leery of redoing the primary by mail. They’d prefer that the DNC evenly split Michigan’s 128 delegates between Clinton and Obama, who was not on the primary ballot because he didn’t want to anger other early voting states.

  • Paula

    lol, Spacegirl!

  • dot48

    72 percent in … 58 – 40 Hillary coming up some though…maybe those northern counties going to come in late.

  • Independent Ben

    Berkely, I don’t think the joint ticket will happen – but at least Hillary is on record of having tossed it out there . . .

  • SpacegirlArt

    MO will not let BO be the Veep

  • plus many counties that have reported are not at 100% yet.

  • Ann

    @Space,
    Lost you how?

  • johnflint1985

    Just by looking at the poll numbers and see this politics of race – I tell you people – this party is going to hell quickly and surely. All courtesy of Obama and his mad wife. And Obama supporters are screaming and yelling that it was Hillary that started all the racial crap. It is pointless to argue. I am already being named a racist. And I just showed them a speech Jesse Jackson gave to super delegate to persuade him to change him mind – they say it is normal thing.
    One thing i know for sure – If Hillary wins – she should rebuild this party. It is so rotten and filthy – that it is wonder how they are still standing.

  • Berkeley Vox

    I’m sure the DNC is praying for a joint ticket. Obama and Hillary are drawing record turnout in every state. If they turn all those people out together now, they’ll turn them out in the fall, too. Plus, think about the potent combination of resources ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$, ground teams, donor lists, email lists…)

  • SpacegirlArt

    dem…i heard tonight that Michigan will be a real problem, because it is open, and no way to determine how to prevent REPUBLICANS who voted from voting a second time for Dems

  • SpacegirlArt

    Obambi is trying for a SPLIT here too.
    HELL NO

  • debbie

    Bottom line…forget the numbers..Mr. O lost key voters in Mississippi because he tried the “hoodwink, bamboozle,okie doke” message.

    It only works in heavy AA communities. Frankly if BHO wants to be the next MLK I say go for it! He’s just not going to UNIFY the country with that theme!

  • johnflint1985

    Berkeley Vox unless mister Obama the mighty will come down from his high horse – what kind of joint ticket can they have?

  • mangomist3

    Just wanted to clarify something about MS that a blogger on Taylor’s site just clarified for me. Obama actually did not lose more of the white vote than he did in SC. In SC Edwards got 40 percent of the white vote, Clinton got 36 percent and Obama 22 percent…In MS, he got 21 percent, so the percentage is almost exactly the same. That being said, Clinton got less of the black vote in MS than in SC, I think. I haven’t seen the hard numbers for this, but 9 percent seems a bit lower than what she has gotten in other states.

    So, it could just be that southern states have race issues that other states do not have, and his race baiting did not have a huge impact at all except cause anger on all sides.

  • dot48

    don’t think we will close in at 15%…looking at the map…I don’t see how those delegates gonna break that close

  • SpacegirlArt

    Ann – “Sad but true. MS loss tonight helped solidify PA win in April.”

    lost me

  • Independent Ben

    It’s pretty obvious to all that Bambi’s base is AA’s, and latte liberals. And young too – but young now are not turning out in any record numbers.

    Hillary has the “core” of the Democratic party and the voters are going to work this thing out. Hillary can keep a much larger share of the Reagan Democrats, which will be crucial against McCain. And then Latinos – I imagine McCain would win them in most states against Bambi.

  • Tiny Dancer

    I’m sure there’s a bunch of states Hillary would like to split the delegates 50/50 on too. Or that she had removed her name from the ballot so she could cry “unfair, I wasn’t even on the ballot there!”.

    I just have to add that vicodin is the only way to go on election nights. Woooo!

  • skmf12

    carby,

    SO TRUE… SO FRUSTRATED…

    i just think people dont know, cause they dont, if they did, they’d be pissed, like me………………………..

  • mj

    Yes, she got 22% in SC.

  • curiosityhasme

    Like the idea of full page ad in PA papers…then Michigan…then Florida, too. Appreciate the AA blogger who is sick and tired of BO pandeering to his “base”. You know what gets me? Mimicking Malcomn X iand using his verbage is racist and I don’t understand why AA aren’t offended by his audacity to do that to them! It offends me, so whay in th hell doesn’t it offend them? Also, Barack Obama knows absolutely nothing about the historic Balck struggle in this country. He is not a descendant of American slaves…he can’t lay claim to that heritage, like the overwhelming majority of AA in this country can…why doesn’t that matter to AA? That offends me, too. I would have more respect for any AA candidate over him. He didn’t even grow up in the south or the north for that matter. Hawaii and Indonesia? I hardly call that the All-American experience. Why can’t the majority of AA see that they need a candidate – Hillary Clinton – who knows their struggle. She witnessed and lived through Jim Crow laws. She’s not some Johnny-come-lately. Her comment about LBJ signing historic civil rights laws is factual and takes NOTHING away from MLK – it enhances it! And Obama calls himself a civil rights attorney? Puleeze. The blogger that wrote that he alone has set back racial strides in this country is so on the mark. We’re right back to the fifties and sixties. People at work aren’t speaking to each other. There is racial tension now in this country that had largely disapated. The whole Obama-thing makes me sick to the pit of my stomach, and I know it does millions of others. This guy, with the gift of gab, has come onto the scene like a Pied Piper, mesmerized our kids, hooked the weak-minded (yes, that’s you MSNBC and CNN – except Lou Dobbs) and he has to be stopped with revelations of Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, $ ties to the Middle East, shady campaign contributions, hidden-agenda MO. Hillary supporters are digging in their heels deeper and deeper, and he can kiss his presidency goodbye with all his blow-hard, race-playing ploys. He’ll be toast come November. Right now, they’re saying they have to have an answer THIS WEEK on a redo. Watch him drag his heels and not agree (you could tell from the way Brazile answered tonight on CNN). Which means, he’s willing to disenfranchise the voters of MI & FL – he figures he can for certain keep HRC from securing nomination, and he’ll roll the dice in November. Well, guess what? Snake eyes, Obama. And we democrats ALL lose over your narcissistic vanity, audacity in-your-face gaul. We need an April, May, and June surprise, people. And they couldn’t come fast enough to suit me and millions of others.

  • mj

    dot48 Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
    don’t think we will close in at 15%…looking at the map…I don’t see how those delegates gonna break that close

    It’s the way delegates are weighted in MS.

  • Tiny Dancer

    mangomist – SC was one of the last nights I spent over on Democratic Underground. They kept saying it was a huge deal for Obama to get 22% of the white vote because he was up against two white candidates. They were thrilled. Now he’s up against one white candidate and gets less. :/

  • Independent Ben

    mangomist3,

    I agree. MS voted tonite like they probably would in any election. It’s very similar to the way Alabama voted as well, and that was back on Super Tuesday.

  • Ann

    “Sad but true. MS loss tonight helped solidify PA win in April.”

    lost me

    Race baiting…causing huge racial divide. Will likely be a big part of the media narrative tomorrow. White flight will continue in PA as a reaction to AA block voting.

  • debbie

    Tiny Dancer
    I just have to add that vicodin is the only way to go on election nights. Woooo!

    *****you beat me to it 😆

  • mangomist3

    So, here is my question…he already lost the white vote by a huge margin in SC. Do you think he realized he was going to get exactly the same proportion tonight? I guess I don’t understand why he used these race baiting strategies…because they already solidified the African American support for him, and he must have known there was a risk of alienating white voters (though that does not seem to have happened since he got the same percentage here as in SC, unless they were alienated at the time of SC)…do you see what I am saying? I guess I just don’t see what the benefit was for him to use racially motivated tactics…

  • dot48

    tiny dancer LOL .. pass cyber valium

  • Independent Ben

    But it’s noteworthy that turnout for AA’s in MS was under what was expected. I was hearing numbers like 56%, but their actual turnout was more like 47%. That seems to indicate that Obamamania was kind of subsided a little. 😉

  • carbynew

    debbie Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
    Bottom line…forget the numbers..Mr. O lost key voters in Mississippi because he tried the “hoodwink, bamboozle,okie doke” message.

    It only works in heavy AA communities. Frankly if BHO wants to be the next MLK I say go for it! He’s just not going to UNIFY the country with that theme!
    ****************************************************
    Debbie, please don’t confuse MLK with Malcom X. When Obama uses that line he’s talking about about NOI and Malcom X. It means Black People rise up and fight the White Blue Eye Devil.

  • curiosityhasme

    Ouch. Sorry for the misspellings. Need to proofread better.

  • Romney just said on Fox he hope obama is the nominee because McCain stands a better chance of beating him.

  • debbie

    Having a hard time with your analysis..Independent…

    “”I agree. MS voted tonite like they probably would in any election. It’s very similar to the way Alabama voted as well, and that was back on Super Tuesday.””

    not to be offensive but when did we have a ballot with a white woman and a black man as the only viable candidates???

  • jithendra

    delegates are 17 – 14 as per CBS…

  • Ann

    I’m sorry but she has supported that community for 30+ years and they give her less than 10% of their vote. How is that ok?

  • Independent Ben

    mangomist3

    That’s true. Using the race baiting created an automatic backlash by white voters. But Obama did it, trying to create this HUGE turnout, so that’s what he was aiming for.

    And it looked like he failed, because AA turnout was actually low. His campaign has maintained that they can get a 30% increase inAA turnout in the GE, but that talking point is gone now.

  • mj

    carbynew Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
    debbie Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
    Bottom line…forget the numbers..Mr. O lost key voters in Mississippi because he tried the “hoodwink, bamboozle,okie doke” message.

    It only works in heavy AA communities. Frankly if BHO wants to be the next MLK I say go for it! He’s just not going to UNIFY the country with that theme!
    ****************************************************
    Debbie, please don’t confuse MLK with Malcom X. When Obama uses that line he’s talking about about NOI and Malcom X. It means Black People rise up and fight the White Blue Eye Devil.

    Exactly. MLK is a hero. He got a lot of flack from other prominent aa’s when he really expanded his cause of poverty to include poor whites. MLK is the closest this country has to a modern founding father, and he wasn’t even a poltician.

  • dot48

    believe me…the repubs do not want to run against Hillary. Mitt giving “talking points memo” tonight. It is funny listening to him on this. He is making the case for Hillary while “hopium” it will be obama..LOL

  • debbie

    carbynew,

    didn’t mean to link the two, was more focused on the “heavenly choir, light shining down, do you believe” message

    the way I wrote it would confuse anyone as to what I was trying to say. sorry

    wheres my vicodin!!!!!!

  • mj

    And, seriously, what he did for racial equality in this country, I am absolutely greatful for and proud of. BO is no MLK.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Mang – “I guess I just don’t see what the benefit was for him to use racially motivated tactics…”

    BECAUSE THIS IS WHO HE IS and he is a neophyte and doesn’t know how to tailor his message to blacks.

    ALL BLACKS are alike to him…except the L.A. intelligencia blacks

  • mj

    Debbie, MLK spoke of a clear cause. It was never about him.

  • Independent Ben

    Ann, in the general election, rank and file AA voters will come back to her.

    Honestly, I don’t think there’s ANYBODY with any sense who believes that Bill and Hillary Clinton have created this racial environment.

  • mangomist3

    Ann, it is clear identity politics are at play along race lines in a way that they are not at play along gender lines. But that is what it is. I don’t think people can really argue that it would not mean something to the African American community to have a black man elected president. It would, and if some in the community believe that having a black man as president means more and would push the community further ahead than concrete economic and health plans, etc, then so be it…people have all kinds of judgements they must make in choosing who to vote for.

    What I resent DEEPLY is that he played the race card and accused both Clintons of racism to win African American voters over. That is what I find reprehensible. Perhaps it would have gravitated towards him anyways, but I don’t think it would have gone as strongly had he not created a lot of anger and resentment on both sides.

  • mj

    Exactly, Ben.

  • debbie

    I am not about to stay here and debate what i write with any of you and mj, you are so quick to jump on putting down everyones point of view

    there is such a thing as honest debate but you have gone over the line many times with people in here.

    good night all

  • dot48

    MONEY BOMB EVERYBODY

    More important now than ever.

  • Ann

    Independent Ben,
    GE will be great but we need to win the nomination first. That’s today’s business.

  • mj

    mangomist3, well said.

  • SpacegirlArt

    mang…i agree with both parts of your post

  • carbynew

    Ann, AA can support whoever they want and most see Obama as a good thing because of all the WHITE support and what the MSM is saying about this guy.

    They want to see their dream, and if this was Colin Power before the Iraq War I’m be voting for him. But I honestly believe HRC is the Best candidate to get jus back on track and have the best plans…I think she is more the qualify to lead this country.

    Obama not at all…I have zero confidence in his fitness for this job. He lost me with his “true” face, the race baiting and the lies.

  • Independent Ben

    mangomist3,

    Of course, a lot of how this happened was just a natural thing. When Obama won Iowa, that’s when his numbers with AA’s starting really going up.

  • mj

    whatever, debbie. I just don’t think BO is anything like King.

  • mj

    Right, again, Ben. It was viability. That’s what caused the shift.

  • SpacegirlArt

    wow…i sure missed something!

  • timjcain

    9 out of 10 voters going for obami in miss why aren’t they called racist
    i know i sound like an idiot for articulating that

  • mj

    Debbie, I got your point. He’s trying to channel King. My point was only how badly he misses the mark. It ticks me off that he has done that. I wasn’t really thinking about you or your comments.

  • mj

    tim, identity doesn’t equal racism.

  • anbritt

    the interesting thing about some of bo wins is that while the media make a big dealover them, he nor she will win SC or MS in the fall. they are republican states, period. They help him rack up delagates but he is not winning the biggies, CA, FL, OH..hopefully PA will go to hrc..its like carvill said, if you want it you gotta win..can this guy fight? I love the way hrc is fighting, he has got to come for it, stop whining. even my bro in law ( who is all about bho) said, after texas and ohio…”i will admit she is one tough woman”

  • curiosityhasme

    His ‘hoodwinking, bamboozling, and okey dokey’ing” is a signal that he is against the same White America that his pastor has preached about and decried for the past twenty-plus years. For Denzel Washington, it was a movie roll based on a controversial and biographical character. The fact that Obama has pulled this language so many times in front of AA audiences conveys a huge underlying message to AA – and it is so devisive and repugnant. To think that he could get elected to a school board is a stretch. He is hollow to the core. He is a dangerous man. Like I said – we don’t need to wait for an October surprise. We need surprises in April, May, and June. Lots of them. We just think we have racila strife right now. He’s just getting warmed up. And as far as Geraldine Ferraro – she’s survived cancer, and is livid about the misinformation on SD – because she helped design. It has nothing to do with voting along with states, it is for independent voting for the good of the party – and country. I’m sure she’s had it up to here with the Jesse Jackson Jr.’s TELLING AA “what they have to do”, and rewriting facts. She’s got to be as frustrated, and much more so, than the rest of us because of what she sees happening to her party. Incredulous and maddening. She will damn well say what she thinks just like they do, and if they can’t handle the truth – oh well. If there are inept Whites, Latinos, Asians, etc. running for office – why not Blacks as well?

  • dot48

    129,000 difference in popular vote…I hope we are able to close that up

  • Paula

    mang, It’s interesting that his share of the white vote didn’t increase at all over SC. It’s like Edwards’ voters went to Hillary.

  • mj

    carbynew, agreed. Powell would have been such a good choice for Repubs. They effed up.

  • SpacegirlArt

    tim…i think that is a good argument, but you certainly will not get ANYONE to identify that.

    I think Mangomist above had probably the best editorial.

  • timjcain

    so i should vote for mccain?
    again i see the idiocity

  • SpacegirlArt

    It’s remarkable how nice it is when the tv goes off! LOL

  • Independent Ben

    Ann,

    I think Hillary is going to get the nomination. It will be more clear after PA.

  • Emmy (formerly known as emkay)

    I just got on and haven;t read any posts. I just have to vent. I am SO disgusted by the press and the Obama campaign totally distorting the 60 minutes interview:’
    ‘Clinton’s “own inexplicable unwillingness” to deny that he was a Muslim during a recent interview’ according to Axlerod. Media Matters showed how false this is, but these things get repeated and take on a life of their own! ARGHHH!!

    I hope enough people see through this.

  • timjcain

    by the way if hill is not the prez nominee i prob will vote for mccain and not because he is white it will be a vote against bambi

  • timjcain

    cnn and headline news both down here in western pa
    act of god?

  • mj

    timjcain Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
    so i should vote for mccain?
    again i see the idiocity

    It’s not idiocy. Identity politics is what it is. Lot’s of women identify with Hillary.

  • SpacegirlArt

    no tim…obama there probably

    clinton had no coverage

  • SpacegirlArt

    Emmy…I kow how you feel…I was constantly in the first three satges of Kubler-Ross ALL DAY today, ended up almost in tears from frustration about all of this and saw our Democracy being stolen by the Press and Big Business.

  • TPS

    dot48, the result is expected. Based on the demographics, everyone predicted a 60-40 win for Obama here in Mississippi. He got 90% of the AA vote and they form a majority of the Democratic primary voters. Hillary got 3/4th of the white vote. He will win any Southern state that has about 50% AA vote in the Democratic primary.

    Hillary will win Pennsylvania, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, and Michigan and Florida if there is a re-vote (states that she has already won once).

  • Tiny Dancer

    Where’s Idunn and her holy water? I could use some right now.

  • timjcain

    i am not a cultural anthropologist but i would still make the argument that on a base level we identify with that which is most similar to ourselves, howver we develop as we mature and i would have the same issues with someone voting for hillary solely based on her gender as i do with an african american voting for someone because he is black. admittedly i am a white male.

  • Independent Ben

    anbritt, I’m beginning to wonder if the media is going to be able to make a big deal out of WY, MS – and do it with a straight face. I mean, come on. Momentum for those wins? The Obama camp is trying to gain momentum – but they’re trying to do it in the media with their attacks.

  • TPS

    SpaceGirlArt, Hillary has won the big states and she will continue to win them. Obama has won red state caucuses and states with majority AA vote.

    How many Idahos, Wyomings, Utahs, Colorados are equivalent to one California, New Jersey, Texas, and Ohio. His rattling off the number of states are meaningless. As a commenter said on a blog, it is one person, one vote, not one acre, one vote.

    She is leading by 19 points in the latest Survey USA poll in PA.

    In my view, things look good. Obama is off his message and is playing on Hillary’s turf.

    We are winning and we should all feel good about that.

  • timjcain

    chelsea is gonna be in town tomorrow 2 blocks from where i agreed to come in at 9 and phone bank. she wont be there until 545 so i doubt i can hang that long.

  • mollyjrichards

    It is a more personal “race” than we have ever seen in this country. We’ve never had anything like it. Tonight, they are arguing on whether the governor’s wife should be standing with her husband instead of talking about the Presidential election and I am not sure that this is not for the better. At least the idiocy is on another topic for a few minutes. But wait, American Idol is on! I never thought I would look forward to that

  • mj

    Tim, no offense but white men have identified with the president for over 200 years.

  • timjcain

    mj
    no offense taken
    i am not voting for Senator Clinton because she is a white woman. I put in twenty five hours in the last week working in a phone bank with the prayer that my actions will have in a minimmal effect. And this is my first time since dukakis that i have taken an active role in an election. And it is because I firmly believe that HRC will be the greatest president I will see in my life time.

  • SpacegirlArt

    TPS, I know this, but it gets so damn frustrating watching BM take their hits to Hillary Clinton.

    And I agree, If HC were unqualified, I would not vote for her because she is a woman. I remember back when Ferraro was on the ticket with Mondale. I was SO EXCITED to get a campaign poster. I had it in my office at work…when was that? And I came in one day and someone had written BITCH across her name. This was a small but powerful family-run design studio in Atlanta. We were all artists and designeers. We did TONS of work for Coca-cola, creative and cutting edge….and this still happened then.

  • mj

    Yes, tim. But, it’s useless to be upset that people vote on identity. It’s been happening all around us forever. Even look at the Repub side. McCain won the military vote(and later just all the vote), Huckabee the evangelical, Romney the moderate. It just happens in elections.

  • mj

    Tim, it is extemely frustrating, but it’s reality. It’s more about people identfying with BO than being racist. That’s my point. I vote for the best candidate. And, if Hill were not, I would not support her. But that she is, I am extremely excited about the prospect of a female president.

  • Paula

    Mark Halperin said on CNN that if Hillary’s the nominee she won’t be able to unite the Dem Party (via TM).

  • hawk

    I think we can win North Carolina. Voters there will see her “loss” in Mississippi and loss in South Carolina, and take not only this into account, but also the fact that she will have won a successive string of contests prior to this including nearby states like West Virginia (most heavily unionized state in nation), Kentucky, Indiana, and Pennsylvania….and she has already won nearby states like Tennessee and Florida…and she will win the revotes if they happen in Florida and Michigan, giving her even more momentum. Here’s some demographics on NC:

    “In 2007, the U.S. Census estimated that the racial makeup of North Carolina was as follows: 70% White American, 22.3% African-American, 1.2% American Indian, and the remaining 6.5% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race). North Carolina has historically been a rural state, with most of the population living on farms or in small towns. However, over the last 30 years the state has undergone rapid urbanization, and today most of North Carolina’s residents live in urban and suburban areas, as is the case in most of the United States. In particular, the cities of Charlotte and Raleigh have become major urban centers, with large, diverse, mainly affluent and rapidly growing populations. Most of this growth in diversity has been fueled by immigrants from Latin America, India, and Southeast Asia.[20] In addition, large numbers of people from the Northeastern United States and Florida have moved to the state in recent years, further swelling the population.”

    Looks pretty good.

  • OandrewD

    With so much spin in politics and the news these you can’t believe anything the media puts out. So why not vote of the one thing that cannot be faked, gender.

  • Paula

    But what about the fact that more HRC voters don’t like Obama than vice versa?

  • SpacegirlArt

    I still find it interesting that so many young people spout 15 year old talking points about the Clintons. Things that happened when they were five. Most of them can’t tell you the first five Presidents, but they can sure spew a lot of inaccurate shit about Bill and Hillary. And we KNOW the real stuf, and yes, it can twinge sometimes, but it seems as if these people had a Rove Lessons Book in their Camp Obama and had to memorize a chapter a night, rather than his policies on important issues.

  • mj

    Paula Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
    Mark Halperin said on CNN that if Hillary’s the nominee she won’t be able to unite the Dem Party (via TM).

    And he will???????????????? Where the heck to they come up with this stuff?

  • SpacegirlArt

    Paula…it didn’t start out that way at all

  • timjcain

    mj
    i am not so much upset as disappointed. i spent the last twenty years of my life living in nyc in what i now realize was a pretty insular albeit wonderful existence. i was never rich i tended bar i waited tables, temped. but i learned a lot and identify more with the woman working in a bodega than i do with my white male cousin who drives a truck with guns loaded on it. But then again i am fortunate.

  • laney

    dot48 That popular vote number has me really, really concerned,
    to say the least. Someone please give me some reassuring info

  • Paula

    I was responding to my own post on Halperin, lol.

  • mj

    He’s got elite whites and frican americans. How the heck will that “unite” the Party? She has LGBT, jews, women, latinos, asians, working class whites, really who has the broader coalition?

  • hawk

    F Mark Halperin, he and the msm don’t think it runs both ways, they think and believe that we will just automatically support him, but his supporters won’t Hillary. Dead wrong. Instead, quite the contrary. We all know Latinos, women, working class and low class whites, and Catholics are the major swing votes, and they constitute Hillary’s base….and will swing to McCain against Obama. His voters are able to be taken for granted quite frankly, so they are smoking the hope-ium yet again.

  • meiyingsu

    laney, if hillary wins PA, she will overtake popular votes.

  • SpacegirlArt

    IMO the HHillary supporters who don;t like obama now, don’t like him

    1.) beecause of the media’s treatment of her and their love of him
    2.) because they have dicscovered he is demeaning and arrogant
    3.) they are offended by his wife
    4.) he is not qualified, and we have learned this over time

    the natural assumption I feel, was who would RUN if they were not qualified and have so mucg support. But time peeled that away, and we see an empty and VERY ANGRY suit. Look at his face now. Not that smiling young man, but someone who looks much more like the angry black man we see in the evening news. Pressure does not make BO mre attractive on any level. All the more reson he should not be the President.

  • Paula

    Why, laney? It’s nowhere close to her margin in OH, for example.

  • timjcain

    I will not vote for obama not so much because of the individual but because of the cult like reponse he has had. it scares me.

  • mj

    I’m sorry, is Haleprin just ignoring the huge coalition behind Hillary? Every swing group?

  • mangomist3

    Halperin is insane. I think he *tries* to be more even handed, but he is usually slightly Obama biased. He is just ignoring polling data. I am not sure she can unite Dems, but I am positive that he cannot. The numbers show that, there are no ifs and or buts about it. Time to email Halperin and set the record straight using polling data. Anyone have his email address?

  • Canaan

    “I guess I just don’t see what the benefit was for him to use racially motivated tactics…”

    I think Obama wants to make black voters angry in order to hold the DNC hostage to the black voting bloc. Obama’s problem is so much of Clinton’s base are Reagan Democrats who won’t vote for a weakling President. So he wants to threaten that blacks won’t vote in the general if he isn’t the nominee.

  • mangomist3

    mj, it’s the “Invisible Women” and just extend that to all of Hillary’s “Invisible” supporters. Let’s email Halperin and make ourselves visible. He has a lot of influence, and he needs to know that we exist and we stand by her.

  • Paula

    Notice no one ever asks Obama if he’ll support HRC if she’s the nominee; when they ask Hillary’s people if she’ll support, they say, “Of course.”

  • Also since Puerto Rico is going to be a primary instead of a caucus Hillary will extend her lead in the popular vote the last week of the primaries.

  • SpacegirlArt

    folks…i have to go hit the rack. You guys are a whirlwind of knowledge and I am honored to be in such a group who supports the best candidate for the Presidency of the United States.

    God Bless you all.

    MONEY BOMB TOMORROW!

    GO HILL!

  • timjcain

    She is going to do the monster mash in PA

  • mangomist3

    According to Halperin’s The Page, Obama is telling PA voters that their economic troubles started under Bill Clinton’s administration…

  • laney

    meiyingsu Thanks.

    I’m starting to loathe BO and his robe kissing followers

  • Paula

    mango, Yeah, like that argument will fly, lol.

  • SpacegirlArt

    mang…”According to Halperin’s The Page, Obama is telling PA voters that their economic troubles started under Bill Clinton’s administration…”

    you sure know how to get a girls’ Blood Pressure up right before bedtime

    HOW DARE HE

  • Paula

    BTW, Spacegirl, Your descrip of why HRC supporters don’t like Obama is spot on.

  • I was talking to my 81 yo uncle in PA tonight, he said he is going to the doctor on Thursday to have Barack Obama lanced.. I said what??? He said I have a boil on my ass and I named it after that other ass.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Cannan…i heard SOMEONE on the radio today say that is BBO doesn’t get this nomination…no matter WHAT the results are, and if SD’s are used in their capacity, then there will be revolts.

    So, ONLY IF HE WINS will things be ok. Even if he has not WON.

  • confloyd

    i am a white female that works at a hospital in east texas, I can tell you that the black democrats have told me they will come back to hillary when the primary is over. They also believe whole heartily that Hillary started this fight and Obama answered it. They have it totally backwards, but they are my friends and I will not argue with them. I know they are democrats true and true and they will vote for the nominee!!

  • laney

    Paula I’m talking about overall popular vote not just one state

    It seems as though that is a number she must have, but what do I know?

  • mangomist3

    Does anyone have Halperin’s email address? I really want to set the record straight about unification. He is buying into the HRC is divisive thing and I want us to flood his email box and nip this in the bud.

  • SpacegirlArt

    Paula, I don’t know,but that is what I think. I believe there were many of us who often thought of that “dream Ticket” and that early on, he was “ok”

    but it was TIME to get to know him, the media and HIS tactics, that made people OF ALL DEMOGRAPHICS run away. I believe it will only get worse for him. If all he can get is AA’s and Bemer drivers or their kids. They will not win.

  • meiyingsu

    mangomist3, good idea.

  • mj

    So he just asserts Hill can’t unite the Party? Pray tell. How the heck can BO?

  • SpacegirlArt

    mangomist…ask SUGAR if you see her! SUGAR has EVERYTHING! LOL
    try here
    abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=126870

  • birdgal

    rjk: LOL!

  • SpacegirlArt

    OK!

    Bed for real now.

    love you guys!

    g’night!

  • I am afraid the SD will tell Hillary if we give you the nomination you have to have Obama as VP. I do not think he will take it even if offered. If the SD were to say to him if we give you the nomination you have to take Hillary as VP he would outright refuse to do it. Either way Hillary wins the nomination and Obama can go back to the Senate and start doing the job he was elected to do.

  • Tiny Dancer

    Isn’t Obama doing himself a disservice by trashing Bill Clinton’s administration? They’re both dems and Clinton has been the only successful Dem president in a loooong time. So by Obama trashing Bill he’s trashing the dem party and by extension himself. Way to pave the road for the republicans there Obama!

  • Tiny Dancer

    So he just asserts Hill can’t unite the Party? Pray tell. How the heck can BO

    I think it has something to do with ruby slippers and a magic wand.

  • carbynew

    Republicans have a problem with Mississippi, based on the numbers their base didn’t come out strong at all.

  • mj

    carby, it’s because their nominee is already decided.

  • mj

    does anyone know Haleprin’s email address?

  • carbynew

    I really don’t care…intimidation aren’t going to scare anybody…and if the Dems cave in the Repugs surely won’t.

    And the votes will turn to the republican to handle NATIONAL SECURITY.

  • confloyd

    the republicans did not come out to vote because they already have their candidate.

  • mangomist3

    I sent mine to letters@time.com and addressed it to Mr. Halperin

  • Hillary/Ferraro! Ferraro/CARville!

  • mj

    Ok, I sent an email, as well. I suggest everyone does.

  • Tiny Dancer

    Did everyone see Geraldine Ferraro on Fox News today?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIwQSq9y8o

    She’s a tad bit irked off. LoL

  • hawk

    New thread for yesterday????????

  • I just posted at
    “Obama’s Learning Curve”
    h t t p : / / thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/obamas-learning-curve/#comment-750013

    A candidate for President has to be ready in Jan 2009. A VP has to be ready by the time the President dies, which probably won’t happen at all, as HIllary is quite healthy. If Obama goes into training soon, by this spring he might be able to remember which grown-up to phone if he gets a 3 a.m. call.

    Does Madeline Albright wear cold cream and curlers to bed?

  • pulchritude

    I am now in charge of organizing a group for Hillary in my region, and I find the task somewhat overwhelming. Please submit any suggestions you may have.

  • hawk

    Didn’t your state vote already Pulch, or is this for something else?

  • pulchritude

    No, voters in the state in which I am presently located will vote in May.

  • pulchritude

    I already cast a vote, but that was in the state in which I am registered.

  • mj

    Pulch, what does the position entail? How many people do you have so far?

  • mj

    I am so sick of Obama’s flagrant use of race. I can’t stomach it. Will it ever stop?

  • wbboei

    Word has it that Obama is trolling for retired generals to match the impressive showing which Hillary has made on that front.

    The flag officers who have endorsed Hillary are people who knew her as First Lady and/or as Senator and Member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    By contrast, it is unlikely that any flag officers Obama can scrounge up know him in any official capacity. Therefore, any opinion they would give as to his qualifications would be tenuous at best. They can say they have talked to him but everyone knows that is not the same thing as working for them.

    Therefore, I would be suspicious of the motives of any flag officer who might endorse him. We already know the score on McPeak who has disgraced himself and Obama by his blatant sexist comments about Hillary.

  • pulchritude

    yes, mj: NC. and i imagine both candidates will scorch the earth of this state before anyone casts a vote.

  • mj

    When is the media going to call this guy out? He sickens me.

  • mj

    I don’t think Hillary has run a scorched earth campaign.

  • mj

    pulch, tell me about what you’ve got going. Then I will brain storm with you.

  • wbboei

    Cannan: I agree that his strategy is aimed at the superdelegates. I believe it is misguided and will backfire on him.

  • wbboei
    Maybe he can dig up ross perot’s old running mate he was a retired General or admiral

    mj

    That race game Obama plays will not fly in PA

  • pulch,

    Obama will own the large colleges and Universities, but seems to ignore smaller private schools. if you can organize enough of them that will help. Hit every Senior Citizen center you can find. Many seniors are bored and would love to make phone calls talking up hillary.

  • wbboei
    I did not mean that the way it sounded, just remembered he died.

  • wbboei

    mj: I am something of an expert on scorched earth campaigns since one of my distant relatives was the inventor of this doctrine. He used it effectively as a defense against the advancing Napoleonic horde. But it did not sit well with the peasants whose land crops and belongings were being incinerated.

    The reason I am telling you this is so you will trust me when I say Hillary has not engaged in a scorched earth policy against Barry in this campaign. She has merely defined the differences between herself and her opponent. Lord knows big media is far too lazy, partisan and incompetent to do it themselves.

    In this case the opponent happens to be very thin skinned and willing to play the race card or claim to be a victim. This will do little to endear him to the Reagan Democrats who support Hillary but will never support him if he is the nominee.

  • wbboei

    Did you ever read the poem “Tiger” by William Blake? What kind of God could have given us the tiger? As in:

    Tiger tiger burning bright
    In the forest of the night
    What immortal hand or eye
    Dare could frame thy symetry

    By the same token, what kind of a God could give us the likes of MoDo and KO? Surely not a benelovent one.

  • wbboei

    Obama gets scant white support in MS By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer
    Tue Mar 11, 11:25 PM ET

    WASHINGTON – Whites largely shunned Barack Obama in Mississippi’s Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday as the Deep South showed once again its reluctance to embrace him across racial lines.

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    While 92 percent of blacks lined up behind the Illinois senator, 70 percent of whites supported Hillary Rodham Clinton, according to an exit poll of voters conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.

    Only next door in Alabama and in Arkansas, where she was first lady when husband Bill Clinton was governor, has she had a wider margin among whites, while his black support has been stronger only in his home state. That made Mississippi’s voting one of the year’s most racially divided contests.

    That division was all Obama needed because voters were split about evenly between the two races.

    While Obama has typically received lopsided numbers of black votes and Clinton, a New York senator, generally has won among whites, Tuesday’s racial polarization was stark.

    Nearly four in 10 blacks said race was important in choosing their candidate. Of that group, nine in 10 supported Obama.

    Among whites, a quarter said they considered race when deciding their vote. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton.

    White men and women voted about equally strongly for Clinton. While she has consistently dominated among white women this year, the two have split the allegiance of white men about evenly overall and Obama has had solid strong performances with them since the Super Tuesday voting on Feb. 5.

    Clinton did better than usual with white groups with whom she usually prevails, including those who are less educated, earn the least and are older. She also prevailed with white voters Obama usually captures, including college-educated men, independents and those under age 45.

    While Obama has at times shown signs of eroding Clinton’s support among whites, that was not the case Tuesday or last week in Ohio and Texas, contests that helped her regain some momentum in the race.

    Overall, two-thirds of Mississippi Democrats voiced contentment with Obama as the eventual nominee. Six in 10 said they would be satisfied with Clinton.

    Just over half said they thought Obama should pick Clinton as his vice presidential running mate, and about an equal number said she should pick Obama. Obama was viewed as the more inspirational, the more honest and likelier to defeat Republican Sen. John McCain in November.

    Obama’s supporters, though, had more favorable views of Clinton than hers did of him.

    Four in 10 Obama supporters said they would be satisfied if Clinton wins the nomination, while only a quarter of hers said the same about Obama. And while almost half of Obama’s voters said Clinton has offered detailed plans to address the major issues, only a quarter of Clinton backers said the same about Obama.

  • wbboei

    I hope the superdelegates see through the big media smokescreen, and realize that Hillary is the adult and Obama is a petulant child on these issues.

  • debbie

    don’t look now…this in from Media Matters mediamatters.org/

    During a segment of The O’Reilly Factor to discuss “What is the downside of having a woman become the president of the United States?” author Marc Rudov’s initial response to the question was, “You mean besides the PMS and the mood swings, right?”

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • debbie

    fight back the media..find contact info on just about every media personality here….. mediamatters.org/issues_topics/media_personalities?num=all

  • Kentucky_mkt

    Here is an interesting point that no one has made yet. The concentration of Latinos in PA are heavily focused in Allentown. It is the third largest city and about 25% Latino. Now add to that, NEPA where Hillary has deep roots touches Allentown and Allentown (actually the whole Lehigh Valley) is also blue collar and white. NEPA and the Lehigh Valley are contiguous regions which is even better for logistical regions.

    Given the dynamics of the race, if ever there was a dream state, it is PA. Seriously. Huge border with NY and NYers are cult like (and with good reason seeing as she is a very good senator; thrid most active sr. 2000 – 2008) for HRC.

    The Big Dawg is so right again on this one. If people want to go to a state – go to PA. Screw the papers, the Internet, and go door-to-door and GOTV!

    Can you imagine a 20% win in PA? The 6th largest state and 17th largest economy . . . in the world.

  • wbboei

    Hillary could unite the party. If she is the nominee there is no question that the blacks will migrate to her rather quickly I should think. The latte liberals would be more inclined to vote for her than McCain. The youth vote would go to her as well since she is pursuing it vigorously.

    Barack could not unite the party. As we saw in Texas he was not able to attract the Hispanic vote which went 66% for Hillary. McCain by contrast has support in that community if Barry were running. Female voters would feel betryed by Big Media, Barrys DNC shills (Dean, Brazille and Pelosi) and Obamas sexism toward Hillary. Reagan Democrats would run from him like the plague, based in his race baiting and victim mo. And speaking of the other MO she would be box office poison to these groups with her chip on the shoulder blame America first belief system.

  • debbie

    timjcain Says:

    March 11th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    ” And it is because I firmly believe that HRC will be the greatest president I will see in my life time.”

    *****best comment made here today******

  • Kentucky_mkt

    You left out that PA has the largest senior citizen population outside of Florida and has a catholic population of nearly 4 million.

  • paddy4Hill

    I am glad that most of you are sound asleep in your comfy beds right now. I just did a brief scan of the news on-line and you guessed it, they are back to their old rotten selves. Obambi has regained the momentum, wipes out gains in Ohio and Texas blah blah blah. The honeymoon is over. Don’t we all still remember. There was that nice week after NH, then one day or so after Nevada, and again a few days after the big wins in CA, NY, MA, NJ etc. So it was with last week. Its history now. Even after Hillary wins PA, it will be “can she win the big ones in IN, WV, KY, ?” It will not be over until its over (Denver). I guess they can not see they are digging the political grave for Obambi. People are catching on. The more they root and toot for him, the bigger the revolt. Either they have utter contempt for the intelligence of the average American (I would not be surprised) or they are secretly trying to get the nomination for Hillary via their over-obvious love affair with Obambi.

  • paddy4Hill
    No news watching for at least a week other than local channels

  • Posted at a blog on voting process:

    BTW, there’s a simple system in Oregon for preventing vote fraud: voters must provide their signatures when they register, and sign the outer envelope when they vote. The poll worker then compares the signature on the envelope with the signature on the registration. It’s even more reliable than our system for bank checks, because the sales clerk who accepts the bank check has nothing to compare the signature against. Moreover, because the task is concentrated in a small number of people, the state can afford to give them special training in detecting forged signatures.

    And one other thing: Oregon reduced it vote-counting costs by 30% when it moved to its vote by mail system.

    It’s much more convenient, encourages more deliberate voting, far less susceptible to errors, cheaper, and more resistant to fraud. Why is this a debate?

    Posted by: Erasmussimo | November 12, 2006 at 10:05 AM

  • Kentucky_mkt

    On unity and Black America above:

    It’s about qualifications. Black America deserves a POTUS or VP already . . . a qualified POTUS or VP.

    I am not of the impression that HRC needs a general either if she were to win the nomination. She has 30 already supporting her. The POTUS has the job of listening to the generals and NOT selecting the advice of those that conform to their already-established plans.

    Rep. Cleaver has always been a fav. pick of mine for VP. He’s black, but . . . qualified. The U.S. needs to seriously look at its growing urban area problem. Why not the former and popular mayor of KC? He would add to the ticket because of MO and he has strong executive experience.

    Strategically, I think HRC should throw out Cleaver’s name in Philadelphia. Better yet, send him there. Better yet, actually mean it and pick him. After the results today, people are going to start asking about race. Why not say. . . hold up. . .what about my friend Cong. Cleaver. Bringing that to light could make it easier for Nutter to do his job and expose BHO for the inexperienced candidate he is.

  • Kentucky_mkt

    rjk1957 Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 4:08 am
    Kentucky_mkt

    You left out that PA has the largest senior citizen population outside of Florida and has a catholic population of nearly 4 million.

    ******************************

    Yes. GOTV.

    Many of HRC’s campaign headquarters are near senior living facilities. ; )

  • wbboei

    Kentucky-a 20% win in Pennsylvania would cause people to sit up and take notice. It would crush the spirits of his supporters. And it would prove Hillaryis44. If we can saturate the place wth volunteers that would be great. I volunteered for Pennsylvania yesterday and got a notice back today that someone will be in touch soon. One of the things I found working in Texas is that there is less anxiety when you are on the front line because you are constantly busy and dont have to listen to twistifications of pundits who are seldom right but never in doubt.

  • paddy4Hill

    rjk1957

    I am in China so I am happily isolated from most news from the USA other than via the net. Most news stations are blocked by the Chinese government. Right now the Chinese are holding their annual meeting of what they consider their parliament. The Chinese press is all one sided for the Communist Party. And I thought that only happened in places like here! Who is learning from whom?

  • Kentucky_mkt

    yes wbb:

    i think that is entirely possible via GOTV and i agree with the impact. i’m a little overstating because there are some challenges. several import communities of NY workers, mostly minority. yes, people in the northeast commute like 2 hours sometimes!

    the good thing is that i don’t think you have to write off the universities in PA either. not even U. Penn, which is interesting unto itself.

  • paddy4Hill

    Not that it is any of my business, but what are you doing in China?

  • paddy4Hill

    Actually I wrote a piece for a major Chinese publication explaining the dire foreign policy implications for China if Obambi were to steal the nomination and win the election. These idiots over here have been just re-posting the USA media’s take on this guy in their press and have no idea what foolishness they are promoting. As an American I am just as concerned as everyone else about the need for electing Hillary as 44 from the domestic side of things. But I want to tell you now, the entire international community has a big stake in what we are doing to get her elected. Do it for world peace. IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO STOP THIS GUY! He is dangerous. Really.
    I

  • paddy4Hill

    rkj1957

    working. And worrying about this election.

  • timjcain

    tried getting on here overnight and either got a blank page or a google sight with pictures of bambi
    glad to see it was nothing permanent
    scanned my own computer thinking i may have been hijacked but came up clean

  • dedfg

    Comment from another website:

    …I’m a young woman and a Hillary supporter. I apparently don’t exist, and I’m constantly surprised every time I hear of someone else my age who supports Hillary. Hillary’s campaign does not value young people in the same way that Obama’s campaign does. It hurts me that this is the case because I want so badly to be 110% for Hillary.

    I voted for her, and I’ll support her until the end, but I wish she tried harder with young people. The reason that young people like Obama is because he has targeted them. His campaign makes young people feel valued in a way that Hillary’s does not at all. I went to a Hillary rally in Texas a couple of weeks ago, and when my two friends and I identified ourselves as college students, the people around us were surprised that we were there.

    I think Hillary is, by far, the best candidate. But if she (and other “older generation feminists”) want younger people to support Hillary’s campaign, they need to make an effort. Recognize that we’re important and make us feel valued…

  • SpacegirlArt

    dedfg…good morning…

    pass that along to the campaign as a suggestion

  • timjcain

    space
    sorry

  • winhillary

    The only real problem that I see besides the obvious with the mail in votes is that people still can be pressured into voting for someone that they dont want to vote for. In a voting booth all goes! I wish that there was the money to do another primary. Im just saying, college punks that are obsessed might put pressure on the parent or friend or relative and or may just take there form and fill it out for them. Alot of crooked people out there! Could you imagine being older and not able to see and some caregiver fills in the blanks with Obama and not what the women or man wanted! Just makes me sick to think about it!

  • European

    Good morning guys!

    The Italian newspapers (Corriere della sera) today wrote about a cute Hillary video from when she was three years old in Pennsylvania.

    Did anyone see it?

  • European

    Found it:

    mediacenter.corriere.it/MediaCenter/action/player?uuid=a18c6150-ef75-11dc-872b-0003ba99c667

    very cute!

  • SpacegirlArt

    Saint Pete Times

    Media tainted by anti-Clinton bias

    By Bill Maxwell, Times Columnist
    Published March 9, 2008

    For a brief period last week, earnest members of my chosen profession, the press, did a little soul-searching and asked if we have been, and are, biased against Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton.

    The conclusion: Of course we are. Any journalist who denies this fact is unable to recognize objectivity if it were branded on his eyeballs.

    I am not referring to opinion writers, who are expected to bring their personal perspectives and slants to issues and events. I am talking about editors and reporters charged with delivering a product the public can trust as truth and fairness. (For the record, though, most pundits, conservatives and liberals, also show bias against Clinton.)

    If Clinton had not raised the issue and if Saturday Night Live had not spoofed journalists for fawning over Sen. Barack Obama, like puppies licking their owners’ mouths, the charge of bias probably would have remained a mere wink-and-nod charade.

    The charge of bias picked up more credence when Clinton fundraiser Walter Shorenstein, founder of the Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard University, sent a memo to Democratic Party superdelegates criticizing media coverage of Clinton and Obama.

    Shorenstein wrote: “The stakes are so high – for our security, our economy, our health care, our future and our country. … Is it in the country’s best interest that voters received far more information about Hillary’s laugh than Obama’s legislative record?”

    Several independent watchdog organizations, including Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting and the Center for Media and Public Affairs, have documented persistent and widespread bias against Clinton and in favor of Obama.

    The Center for Media and Public Affairs reported that since mid December, when the Iowa caucuses came into play, Obama has received the lion’s share of the positive coverage: “From Dec. 16 through Jan. 27, five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84 percent) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51 percent) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton. The gap in good press widened since the New Hampshire primary, with Clinton dropping to 47 percent positive comments and Obama holding steady at 83 percent positive.

    “NBC’s coverage has been the most critical of Clinton – nearly 2 to 1 negative (36 percent positive and to 64 percent negative). Conversely, ABC’s coverage was most supportive – nearly 2 to 1 positive (63 percent vs. 37 percent). CBS and Fox were more balanced – 50 percent positive comments on Fox and 56 percent positive on CBS.”

    The Pew Research Center found a sharp difference in tone between coverage of Clinton and Obama. Here, I also must address the pundits. Most, left and right, have been unfriendly to Clinton, some writing her obit and others advising her to fold up her tent. Obama, on the other hand, has been treated like the Second Coming.

    If you do not believe me, go back and reread your newspapers and magazines. Order transcripts of your network nightly news and read them. I guarantee that you will hear a lot of Hillary bashing and a whole lot Obama serenading.

    The most surprising finding, at least to me, was the pervasive bias in coverage of the two candidates’ foreign policy. “When it comes to foreign policy coverage – perhaps the most important issue in the coming election,” Shorenstein wrote in his memo, “the media monitoring group, Media Tenor, found that there was not a single positive story about Hillary Clinton and foreign policy in the month of February.”

    If we only had anecdotal evidence, I would be willing to question, or even dismiss, claims of media bias against Clinton. But each watchdog group conducted content analyses and crunched the numbers.

    When I conducted my own analysis, I found that real or perceived bad news about Clinton earned front-page placement more often than for Obama. Rarely have I seen a story about Obama’s influence-peddling pal from Chicago, Tony Rezko, on the front page. Nor have I seen much on the front page about Obama’s linguistic sleight of hand with NAFTA and the Canadians.

    Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? I do not think so. Journalism is important to me. It is my profession. And I agree with Shorenstein: “Our democracy depends upon the Fourth Estate (journalism) to fulfill the uniquely critical role of informing voters about the important issues facing our nation – yet far too often, the campaign coverage has been biased, blase, or baseless.”

    With its coverage of the Clinton-Obama campaign, the Fourth Estate has failed miserably.

  • paddy4Hill

    This election has put to bed any myth that America has a free press. This election has also shown that ordinary people are taking things into their own hands. Hence the political blog phenomena. Although the percentage of people who read these are still small compared to the mass market media, it is still larger than in 2004 when they were in their infancy and in 2000 during Al Gore’s quest for the presidency when they were practically nonexistent. Just like the internet has made it possible for Hillary to have real contact with her supporters and get critical financial and other assistance from them, so will someday the internet allow ordinary citizens to smash the mass market media monopoly on information and analysis In more than ways than one, Hillary Clinton has become a real daughter of the American Spirit. Lets put her in the White House. Keep up the wonderful work pink bloggers. Nothing worthwhile in this life comes easy.

  • winhillary

    Is this true everyone. I copied this from a blogger on abc comments for saint Obama winning miss.

    The BIG STORY “the media” is NOT covering:
    ::::: THE MEDIA.

    The BILLIONS of $$$ in FREE PROMOTION/Advertising Obama has received from MSNBC/NBC/CBS … (Pro-Obama PROPAGANDA Posing as “news”.) THE REASON MSNBC et al are PROMOTING Obama … because their OWNERS, GE & Westinghouse are planning to reap BILLIONS -Risk Free- by building 29 new nuclear power plants … Thanks to the *** Cheney Energy Bill … Voted FOR by Obama … Voted AGAINST by Clinton.

  • Irish1139

    Every pundit on every channel last night was talking about what Obama had to do to beat Clinton. Every one of them. Even Gergen (or whatever his name is). It is disgusting. You would think there would be one person on some channel that supports Hillary. I am so sick of the media and the sexism I could scream.

    I hope Ferraro doesn’t back down regarding what she said about Obama. Everyone I talk to says the same thing (both repubs and dems). If he wasn’t black, he wouldn’t be considered for the presidency and certainly wouldn’t be in the position he is in now. I don’t know what is so racist about that. Are we suppose to ignore what color he is? Are we suppose to ignore that he pulled the race card and blamed it on the Clintons? This man is not a viable candidate for the presidency and I am offended that he has been presented to the American people as a viable candidate.

    I keep thinking that any minute now people are going to wake up and say “what the hell is going on here.”

  • carbynew

    The media have gotten too arrogant and have this idea that they are immune from accountability and responsibility.

    They have been blatantly TAMPERING with the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION of 2008 and because they police themselve they never admit that they are wrong of crossed the line….the media only moves the line farther from them so that it seem they never stepped over the line.

    I really feel that MSNBC and CNN and the rest have cause serious damage to the fourth estate and should lose their licenses. The above numbers are outrageous and something should be done after the election.

    The PUBLIC TRUST IS TOO IMPORTANT TO BE ABUSED IN THIS WAY.

  • SpacegirlArt

    My letter to the Editor’s of the Sant Pete Times:

    Subject: Media Bias – Bill Maxwell’s Column

    On Monday, March 10, CNN had NO coverage of Senator Clinton’s activities, including her “Homecoming Speech” in Scranton, PA. All day, over and over again, they showed Senator Obama giving his “Bamboozled” speech in Mississippi, and showed him turning down a Vice Presidential spot what neither Clinton had offered him.

    Now one wouldn’t think that to be a big deal in “normal” times, but these are anything but. I called CNN to ask why there was NO coverage of a MAJOR Presidential candidate and was given an answer that both astonished and outraged me. They said, and I quote, ” It was a network producer’s decision” followed up with, when I asked WHY, “The is a decision by the Producers.”

    So there ya have it folks. CNN CENSORED THE COVERAGE of a Presidential candidate. And this is good for America how? Call them yourself and ask.

    As for the Veep non-story, it was another example of skewed and made up journalism. Senator Clinton had said that people often say to her they would love to vote for BOTH candidates, and she simply replied that maybe someday they could. Bill Clinton simply said a ticket with both the candidates would be “unstoppable.” But the MEDIA chose to frame this as an “offer” of the Vice Presidency to Senator Obama by Senator Clinton. Nothing could have been further from the truth. The same is true for her comments on “60 Minutes” about whether she believed Senator Obama was a Muslim. Erich Boehlert has an excellent column in Media Matters that should be required reading for all those who want to learn how the media has reconstructed the facts to fit their bias against Senator Clinton. It is disgusting.

    Savvy watchers are aware that these are regular occurrences. There are hundred more, and the 80-something percent figures Mr. Maxwell cites in his column that are Pro Obama is disturbing. It does a dis-service to the American people and undermines these “journalists” credibility in the public trust.

    It is not for the media to decide the Presidency, and that is exactly what is happening. To do their job of properly vetting each candidate on the ISSUES is essential. Do we want another four or eight years of Republican Special Investigations on an unvetted President Obama about Rezko and his alleged ties there or anything else we do not know? It will be Whitewater all over again with Special Councils and lawsuits, while the country sinks deeper and deeper into recession and the world grows to a more dangerous place.

    For those who believe this will not happen because Senator Obama has some magic skill of healing the partisan divide in Congress, think again. What serves the Republicans better? And we will be left at the end with the first Black American President who, if not shown outright to have questionable ethical dealings with indicted crooks, will have been beaten to a pulp with a failed Presidency and ruining the chances for another, more qualified African-American in the future. The media is doing a dis-service to both Senator Clinton and to Senator Obama in this regard, and they had better clean up their act, or we will have either a McCain Presidency, which may be exactly what they want, or two candidates for the Democrats, either of which will be weakened from Day One because of thie lack of fairness.

  • SpacegirlArt

    There weren’t as many typos in the one i sent! LOL

  • paddy4Hill

    Irish 1139

    Pre-civil rights America was a very bad place for non-whites. Even in DC up until the 1960s, Chinese had to live in their own neighborhoods, near the AAs. And Americans believed that they had no racial problems at all. All were happy campers. The national shock that came with the collective rude awakening to the reality of the situation has led to a strange silent agreement on certain topics that touch on race relations. Under normal circumstances, this would be considered healthy. But now it is being abused and this national consensus is under strain due to the acute hunger for power by Obama and by certain leaders in the AA community. Obama who billed himself as the Great Unifier ends up being the Great Divider. To defeat him is to do a service to racial harmony in the USA. This may sound a little strange at the moment, but many will see this more clearly when there has been time to reflect on the impact his candidacy had on racial relations. It will have to be left to Hillary after she is in the White House to repair the damage. She is the only one who can heal the nation. Few in America would disagree.

  • SpacegirlArt

    File a complaint with the FCC about violation of Public Trust by these networks.

    http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints_general.html

  • timjcain

    space
    cable is not subject to the same rules as broadcast.– the public/govt owns the air waves not cable

  • SpacegirlArt

    FCC

    (202) 418-1440 Elections & political candidate matters

  • SpacegirlArt

    i know tim, I just want them to start getting it from us and the FCC

  • carbynew

    Obama is TOAST, he won’t win the General Election against McCain this November.

    I make this statement sadly because as a AA who should feel pride in the campaign of Barack Hussein Obama I don’t, because of the damage he has done by all the race baiting and sexism his campaign used as a political tactic, that was endorsed by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY under HOWARD DEAN Leadership.

    There is deep anger among many dems caused mainly by the race baiting and flamed by the arrogant and ignorant fools in the media…this anger will NOT go away anytime soon.

    Team Obama has deeply offended many democrats who will not vote for him this November and feel that his lack of experience and record has deep cause for concerns to be POTUS. And his total lack of substance of important issues concerning this country has not had the proper vetting that is expected from every candidate has not been done on OBAMA.

    Also I have DEEPER anger at the HOWARD DEAN WING of the party and their ARROGANT, ELITICS ASSES over at the DNC. THEIR TOTAL BIAS OVER THE CLINTONS AND THOSE THEY REPRESENT SHOW EVERYTIME THEY OPEN THEIR MOUTHS (Haven’t forgot the “Archie Bunker” and “Tom Bradley” taunts thrown out there by so-called surrogates from that wing).

    Howard Dean and the rest of party elites are soooo out of touch with core DEMOCRATIC BASE and let me tell you that your plan to BLAME this on the CLINTON is going to BACKFIRED so be ready to take responsiblity and accountability after this is over.

  • johnflint1985

    SpacegirlArt
    there is no time to do that

  • SpacegirlArt

    john, i already have

  • johnflint1985

    SpacegirlArt
    well, it is good to keep pounding on them. By all means we should keep doing that. All i think – that it is too late to make them accountable for the last 2 crucial months. No doubt – Hillary and her gender make them deeply arrogant and give them a desire to hit her really hard. I think that in all honesty this country sadly still cannot take pride in a woman is different from traditional model of a housewife…

  • timjcain

    johnflint1985
    respectfully i disagree the white men in ohio have affirmed my belief
    and i firmly believe bambi is only where he is because the media needed a contest and so they created one i also believe that had there not been a writers strike he never would have gotten this far.

  • SpacegirlArt

    John, I just want to have the FCC HEAR FROM PEOPLE about this violation IN SPIRIT of the Public trust. I do not know or prestend to know all the rules and regs, but I think if the FCC hears CNN/MSNBC ENOUGH they might actually have to say something.

    Equal Time for major Presidential Candidates is still in effect in some iteration, but I guess that does not mean the coverage and cannot be slanted and lies.

    anyway, I have to go to work.

    Ya’ll have fun. See you later.

  • SpacegirlArt

    tim….lol I got all your letters this morning about the site.

    II have had it mess up on me in the past, but that s just what happens!

    Never worry about sending me email.

    I was just asleep, or I would have responded!

    see ya later today

  • timjcain

    space
    i believe equal access is only applicable to broadcast

  • Independent Ben

    What a mess. It seems the MSM refused to cover any of the race baiting tactics that Obama has used – and of course racial division is again being blamed – at least indirectly – on the Clinton campaign.

    Hillary is in PA, trying to kick off her campaign, making her first impression on the voters there. It’s very important and she certainly doesn’t need these distractions. Olberman tonite is going to do a “Special Comment,” blistering the Clinton campaign. So let him drone on. I don’t think he’s actually reaching an audience THAT large – and most of them are Obamabots already. Hillary will win this nomination if we can just go forward and let the voters of the Democratic party speak.

  • timjcain

    independentben
    she/bill/chelsea are doing a hell of a lot more than making an impression.
    they are hitting small venues sometimes with only a days notice. they have 6 weeks to canvas a huge state andthere are three of them. bambi cannot compete unless he brings orca.

  • Ann

    Can’t get lulled into false sense of security by polls showing big leads in PA. BO campaign knows how important this is and it will be a fight to death.

  • timjcain

    ann
    i could not agree more which is why i am now going to get off my sorry ass and go to a pa phone bank- and today will be easy how hard can it be to convince people to go see chelsea in pittsburgh

  • Independent Ben

    carbynew,

    It’s John McCain that the Corporate Media wants in the White House – to protect their corporate interests. This coverage of Obama is only their attempt to get Hillary out of the way – because they know that Obama will lose to McCain in the Fall. They are playing a very cynical game I believe. Certainly they know more of what is going on, the huge problems we would have with an Obama candidacy in the Fall. They just choose not to cover it – for now.

  • Independent Ben

    @timjcain I agree, and Hillary surely doesn’t need these distractions right now. The six weeks until Pennsyvania favors her – because we all know that Obama needs huge rallies and quick wins to keep trying to generate the excitement of his so-called “movement.”

    From looking yesterday, it appears Obama is going to go into PA and try to talk about the economy and jobs. That is Hillary’s turf. 🙂 You won’t believe it, but I actually hear him say, “I’m gonna get up everyday and fight for the American people.” I thought – wait a minute – that’s Hillary’s message! LOL. I personally don’t think he can pull it off. How many rallies can he do in Philadelphia?

  • timjcain

    out of curiosity
    has bambi ever cast a vote which affirmed a woman’s right to choose?
    he is an ivy league graduate attorney. at some point he must have had to face the right to privacy? what are his thoughts on that?

  • timjcain

    didn’t he teach con law at some point

  • Psymac

    Others agree time is on our side,

    abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4430817&page=1

  • timjcain

    psymac
    are you a therapist

  • timjcain

    short for psychosomatic

  • timjcain

    psymac
    i’m an idiot

  • meiyingsu

    3/12/2008
    Clinton Campaign Calls for Michigan and Florida Voices to Be Heard
    David Plouffe
    P.O. Box 8102
    Obama for America
    Chicago, Illinois 60680

    Dear David:

    The 2008 primary campaign has been a spirited contest that has resulted in record voter turnout. Both of our candidates can proudly boast of bringing new people into the process and energizing our Democratic Party.

    With the campaign now entering the final phase of the nominating contest, it is vital that both of our campaigns come together to ensure that the delegations from Florida and Michigan be seated to reflect the will of the voters.

    In Florida and Michigan, nearly 2.5 million Americans made their voices heard and participated in primary elections. We think the results of those primaries were fair and should be honored.

    Over the last few weeks, there has been much discussion about how to ensure that the Florida and Michigan delegations are seated. We think there are two options: Either honor the results or hold new primary elections.

    To that end, we are in active consultation with all of our supporters in Florida, including Members of Congress. In Michigan, we are in active consultation with the committee appointed by Governor Granholm.

    We hope that your campaign will join us in our efforts to ensure that these votes are counted.

    Sincerely,
    Maggie Williams
    Campaign Manager

  • Idunn

    Morning. Ish.

  • Independent Ben

    meiyingsu,

    Nice letter by Maggie, but I think everyone knows that the Obama campaign is going to oppose any do-overs. Here’s the latest out of Florida. Obama supporters in the Florida Legislature are opposing it.

    www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/12/na-democrats-quest-for-mail-in-revote-hits-major-h/

  • Psymac

    Tim,
    I’m a clinical psychologist in private practice that happens to love (yes, love) his Macintosh computers (since 1986). So, the handle is Psymac (but I have been know to be psychosomatic).

  • ABM90

    The FCC is a part of the Republican Admin.How do you think the MSM got into Politics FULL TIME?

    IRS Agent planted in the Spitzer Sex wire tap operation

    Bush Wire and Phone Tap without court approval

    GPS for all new cars

    Banks scanning deposits and withdrawals.

    The electronic age is upon us and we are in peril.

    Remember 1984 by George Orwell?

    If BHO is the nominee,he will be the proverbial sacrificial lamb for the GOP and this self-serving Messiah will be DOA.

    These are dangerous times,brought on by dangerous people.

    Hillary is our only hope for this take-over attempt to be stopped before our Democracy is and was just a Dream.

    Wake up America.Respond America.Beware America.Time is short.

  • timjcain

    psymac
    no offense meant
    i have an adjustment disorder with mixed emotional features– i laughed my ass off when i was told that- basically means i am 12

  • timjcain

    psymac
    i have a pedestrian comprehension of the dsm

  • carbynew

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4435376&page=1

    Obama is a fool he handle this all wrong and by pushing this storyline on Geradine Ferraro, it’s going to backfire on him big time. Obama is losing dems everyday and the interesting part is this quote:

    “Geraldine, are you playing the race card?” the host asked.

    “No, and that’s the problem. Every time you say the truth — I’m the first person, John, and you know how honest I am — I am the first person who will say in 1984, if my name were Gerard instead of Geraldine, I would never have been picked as the vice presidential candidate.”

    In a follow-up interview with the local California paper that broke the story, Ferraro defended her remarks.

    “Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let’s address reality and the problems we’re facing in this world, you’re accused of being racist, so you have to shut up,” Ferraro told the Daily Breeze. “Racism works in two different directions. I really think they’re attacking me because I’m white. How’s that?”

    The repugs are loving this and this quote from Team Obama is an insult and will backfire on them:

    The Obama campaign pounced Tuesday afternoon on Clinton’s mild statement about Ferraro’s remark, referring to language Clinton used when she urged Obama to denounce and reject anti-Semitic comments by Nation of Islam head Louis Farrakhan.

    “With Sen. Clinton’s refusal to denounce or reject Ms. Ferraro, she has once again proven that her campaign gets to live by its own rules and its own double standard, and will only decry offensive comments when it’s politically advantageous to Sen. Clinton,” Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said.

    Team Obama is equating Ms. Ferraro to the Nation of Islam head Louis Farrakhan.

    WOW!!! Obama is equating this proud Italian American Ferraro and a party elder and super delegate to Louis Farrakhan. Instead of being gracious and letting this go because it doesn’t hurt Clinton and in the long term hurt party unity and raise doubts on Obama’s diplomatic skills and judgements…IS THIS AN EXAMPLE OF OBAMA”S FORIEGN POLICY SKILLS?

    When Obama’s fundraiser and supporter David Geffen wrote that Blistering and Offensive NYT attack against the CLINTONS early in the campaign not a peep from Obama, even after the Clintons asked for an apology but they let it go…because it was best for the party unity.

    Now Team Obama thinks this is payback for their TEAM past mistakes but it’s not the same thing…instead Obama’s attacks a fellow party elder and super delegate only hurts him and causes doubts for him to bring the party back together and further more doubts in his judgement.

    Geralding Ferraro is a Hillary Clinton Fundraiser but she is NOT working or advising her campaign just as David Geffen is a Fundraiser for Obama…equal situations but how the candidates handled it and how the media is spinning it is two unequal situations.

  • another_reader

    thank you to bill maxwell for that column. the st pete times is an independent newspaper not owned or run by corporate big media. one of the few, sadly.

  • European

    Obama and supporters opposing with all they can the seating of Florida and Michigan delegates is a disgrace.

    If he does not accept the vote as it is with all his stupid excuses he should at least have the courage for a re-vote.

    I thought he was so almighty to be able to convince everyone who can see him. What does he fear.

    With all this opposition from his side the DNC should seat the delegates really as they are!!!

  • another_reader

    i hope the other superdelegates wake up and take notice because they have no business treating ferraro like this

  • Independent Ben

    Someone needs to spell out specifically what the Obama campaign has been doing, and what the Hill camp has been dealing with on a daily basis. 1. Obama raising in MS the stupid picture thing, when he had agreed in the last debate to set it aside; 2. Accusing the Hill camp of darkening his face in an ad to make him look blacker; 3. The media twisting and parsing Hillary’s response when that guy on 60 mins strangely interrogated her about muslim; 4. Saying the Clintons were trying to “hoodwink” and “bamboozle” MS voters after Hillary suggested the possibility of a unity ticket. AND SO FORTH, ETC. If Geraldine Ferraro is not gonna drop this, we need to arm her with ALL the facts.

  • TPS

    Obama has been calling all of us racists for months. He calls anyone who doesn’t support him a racist, white or brown. He calls blacks who don’t support him turncoats. He calls Hillary and all her supporters racists because we don’t bow to the “one.” What David Axelrod did yesterday is not new. They have been doing this for months.

    This is why under no circumstance will I support him or the party if he is the nominee. If he is the nominee, I will leave the Democratic party for good.

  • JanH

    I’ll say it again. Obama doesn’t have any right to expect a 50-50 split of delegates for Michigan. Some of those would have gone to Edwards. It should be a 50-25 split if it ends up in this way.

    He and the dnc are as divisive as they come. It isn’t Hillary who is destroying the party. It is them. The blatant sexism the media uses, blind/twisted/biased adoration for Obama whereby he is responsible for nothing but walks on water no matter what comes out of his mouth, is going to hurt Obama in the long run.

    As far as last nights primary went, way to go Miss Hillary! She wasn’t expected to do well but she exceeded what I thought she was capable of, given the demographics. 🙂

  • Informed in Illinois

    Hi, Everyone: been very busy at work. But, I’ve resolved to spend at least some evenings and weekends telephoning to PA. Go, Hillary!
    JanH: last night’s results highlighted the race-baiting that the BO campaign has engaged all season. Someone (Howard! Maggie!) needs to get some well-crafted, fact based talking points – similar to Ben’s, above – to all the surrogates – ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

  • basil9

    I have been equally outraged by the insidious race-baiting tactics of BO and his campaign, but I have to admit I am slowly coming to this perspective.

    “If you give someone enough rope they will hang themselves.”

    I think that’s part of the HRC strategy. After all, she has fought back, made her postions clear, and there is not a friggin’ thing she can do right now to fight this nonsense so she’s wisely leaving it alone and letting BO dig his own grave.

    FWIW, I’m also thinking that David Patterson being sworn in, probably on Monday, as the first AA governor of NYS may have a positive impact and reflect well on HRC. I think she’s doing an outstanding job with her campaign and I believe she will win the nomination and if, by chance, BO steals it from her, he will not become president and she’ll be in a great position either to run again in 2012 or to aim for the governorship of NYS. There does come a point where you have to allow things to unfold at their own pace. Maggie Williams has hit back hard at BO and if the media chooses not to cover HRC issues, what can we do? You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

    Several other posters have mentioned that most of the elctorate doesn not follow the oundits, the talking heads, the editorail commentary and they will vote according to their own unscripted inner compasses. i predict that will NOT be for BO.

  • Informed in Illinois

    PS – I’m so proud of Geraldine Ferraro for having the courage to speak the truth. What Obama’s campaign and the MSM are saying, essentially, is that they don’t give a $!!&# about the feelings of most American women. I hope that will backfire– hugely– as the mainstream electorate absorbs its meaning. Ms. Ferraro and the campaign need to help them get there, IMHO.

  • TPS

    At least some in the media are noting what a limited candidate Obama is:

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1721494,00.html

    Michael Duffy in Time:

    “Broken down, the Mississippi vote had an unmistakable racial descant — and unmistakable limits for Obama. Exit polls revealed once again an emerging racial divide that has opened in the Democratic party between whites who tend by healthy margins to favor Clinton and blacks who overwhelmingly favor Obama.”

  • TPS

    Informed in Illinois, Geraldine Ferraro spoke the truth and she is not backing down. Good for her!

  • Informed in Illinois

    TPS – it was the same as Alabama, which got swept under the rug in the hubbub of Tsunami Tuesday. Someone (was it you?) posted the other day that last night would not be a happy “victory” for Stinky’s peeps.

  • basil9

    Carby,

    Geraldine Ferrara says:

    “Racism works in two different directions. I really think they’re attacking me because I’m white. How’s that?”

    ROTFLMAO!

    Go Gerry!

  • That Time article is on target. What was not mentioned, is that Hillary supporters, by an overwhelming majority, will not vote for Obambi if he becomes the nominee. I am one of those and I won’t vote for a joint ticket with him on top either. It is either Hillary as prez or bust (McCain).

  • Independent Ben

    We all agree with what Geraldine Ferraro has said – she just needs to be more specific. But let’s face it, Hillary does not want to be distracted with all this right now. She wants to stay on message and deliver it to the voters of PA. Let’s ignore Olberman and his rantings.

    It appears that the Obama campaign is never going to agree to a do-over of any kind, in FL or MI. I think we have to accept that. But the man is fighting against his own candidacy by doing this.

    I still have faith that the voters of the Democratic party are going to work this out – and the SD’s will sure see what is happening. Hillary will be 44.

  • carbynew

    ITAWU Basil9,

    But this doesn’t help the DEMOCRATs and the REPUGS are loving this. I HATE what some in the media is trying to do to Geralding Ferraro break her spirit and deny her truth…yes Obama is getting a pass for now, by the media that most candidates would get at all…and that tells me that Obama is getting major support from Democratic Leaders in and outside the DNC….Hi Howard.

    I think how Obama handles these types of irritants is indicative of his character and how he will handle similar situations FORIEGN OR DOMESTIC settings. His inability to be gracious when needed or the judgement to know how to handle this is very telling and should be worrisome to all DEMOCRATS.

    Obama diplomatic skills and his “foot and mouth” disease is in account of his limited national and international experience…all he knows is “Chicago Politics” and he think it is Okay to pull this kind of tactic on a fellow party elder and equate her on the same levle as the Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan.

    Like I said before two similiar situation David Geffen vs Geraldine Ferraro one a fundraiser for Obama and the other a fundraiser for Hillary…While Geraldine Ferraro is getting TRASHED in the Media worldwide, while Obama’s supporters…not so much…in fact they get praised.

    MEDIA DOUBLE STANDARD BEWARE! Italian American Ferraro is a role model too.

  • carbynew

    Pls excuse my spelling it seems my keys are sticking due to my passion on this issue.

  • Independent Ben

    @informed, I had been saying that because scoring that low with white voters can’t be encouraging to the Obama camp. Did you notice he went back to Chicago last nite? No big rally or victory speech. I think he was downplaying the results of his win in MS. The turnout numbers weren’t good for him either. AA’s only made up 47% of the vote, far below what they were trying for, and young voters only turned out at 14%, which is average for that group. It’s strong evidence that Obama-mania has died down a lot.

  • Obama is increasingly becoming the “black” candidate. He is fear mongering Latino’s, has no chance with older women and blue collar middle class workers, is in the process of pissing off the Italian’s, and is generally seen as pandering to others. His only ace in the hole is AA’s. I can understand their support, I’m sure I would be inclined to support him if I were AA, but in all honesty, that won’t win the GE.

  • Caroline

    Hillary wants donations of $5 to help grassroots efforts. You know what to do.

  • basil9

    ITAWU,
    What’s that?

    I agree the Ferrara brou-haha doesn’t help the dems but I’m thrilled to hear someone tell it like it is. Screw Olbermann, Halperin, NYTimes, Tweetie, Pumpkinhead. The posters who have remarked that most of the electorate doesn’t even know or CARE who those a$$holes are and will make their decisions based on local coverage and local events are, i think, dead on and I am also coming to the conclusion that we have to trust the voters. If BO tries to block Florida an Michigan, the dems are dead in the water. That he is perfectly willing to sacrifice the party for his own ego speaks volumes about him. Personally, I don’t see any scenarion by which he can win the presidency. he simply won’t get the votes. By insulting and ignoring white voters, he has sealed his fate. HRC will survive one way or the other. She is doing the right thing by continuing the battle but let’s face it, no one can predict whats gonna happen. I pray she’s the nominee but if not, she’s fought the good fight and dis the right thing and 4 years of mcCain sounds better than Bush. Anyway, that’s my take.

  • Independent Ben

    kaffeen – he’s got his latte liberals, but they certainly aren’t swing voters and will only make a difference in a couple of states. I also think he would possibly lose Latinos to John McCain in the GE. The only real electability argument he has is a promise to excite huge turnout in the coalition he has – and a vague promise to draw independents and repugs. But we saw no evidence of the huge turnout last nite – and Hillary has beat him with indies and repugs in Texas as well as MS.

  • tiburones

    I’m so disgusted by all of this. Last night, I was bothered a bit but today as I see BO and his staff continue to push that Ferraro in essence is a racist and should be made to shut up has so incensed me.

    I believe that this may be a watershed moment in his canidacy. We have seen that in southern states, he cannot attract White voters, men or women. We se ethat the AA voters will coalesce around him en massed.

    Now as we move on, imo, PA will be the test. I will be looking to see if he has alienated the White voters, if he can attract the Latino vote, catholics, women, lunch bucket dems AND how the independents break to him.

    I’m very ticked off and I’m happy that Ferraro hasn’t backed off. She is uniquely qualified to render her opinion as she is the first women to be nominated as a VP in either party. She has said that this is personal for her and it will be interesing to see if other women feel this way.

    I know that I’m female and i’m incensed.

    I quit watching Olberman months ago and I will not give him the time of day tonight.

  • hawk

    I am not a woman and I am enraged. I think women should write in Hillary’s name en masse if b.o. is nominated…..not gonna happen if I have anything to say/do about it.

  • I’ve got a recurring charge to the Hillary campaign, but I’m giving again.

    Hillary or McCain. Period.

  • Ben,

    Elitist white people won’t win a GE either.

  • Independent Ben

    tiburones, he’ll never draw from those groups. He’ll go into PA, hold a couple of rallies around Philly to solidify his black vote – and at the same time drive the white vote further away.

    He’s also planning to make a pitch on the economy, aimed at blue collar workers. But I saw a bit of one of his speeches, and the kids there looked pretty bored. That stuff is not his strong suit for sure.

  • Sen. Barack Obama picked up five more delegates than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in Mississippi’s Democratic primary Tuesday.
    Obama won 19 delegates and Clinton 14, according to an analysis of returns by The Associated Press.

  • Independent Ben

    How can he actually go to the convention, with a pledged delegate lead from mostly caucuses, willing to totally disenfranchise MI and FL, and make an argument that he should be the nominee. It’s really boggles the mind.

  • mj

    Hmmm, I thought she would do better than 14.

  • TPS

    mj, are you kidding? 14 delegates is great given the popular vote.

  • mj

    TPS, it was just based on my understanding of how delegates are apportioned. What was the final vote anyway?

  • Even if Hillary trails Obambi in the delegate count, wins in the big states of California, Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania, and then victories in Florida and Michigan makes Hillary stronger in virtually every state on which the general election is likely to hang.

  • Independent Ben

    tiburones, Ferraro needs to be more specific about the ways that Obama has played the race card. The way she says it now, the media just acts confused and thinks she’s delusional or something. They can’t imagine Dear Bambi doing such a thing – or perhaps they just don’t want to look.
    There’s clips of a lot of recent stuff – like his “bamboozle” card, and bringing up that stupid photo from Dredge, after he promised to set it aside.

  • MJ, pretty much 60/40……5 delegates lost, particularly for an overwhelmingly AA state, is a “win” for Hillary.

  • Independent Ben

    kaffeen, there’s no doubt that Hillary is the stronger GE candidate. But will superdelegates have the guts to override BHO’s delegate lead? I just have a feeling that Obama would not go easily, and that this could end in a bad way.

  • WASHINGTON (AP) – Barack Obama had an easy win in the racially-charged Mississippi primary, as his rival focused on the next White House battleground state of Pennsylvania to offset Obama’s renewed strength.

    These kind of news headlines are a “win” for Hillary too. Poor Bambi.

  • Ben,

    It is either Hillary or McCain. The super-delegates have that choice and to think there is any other possibility is really a case of ignorance (which, sadly, the democratic party is quite prone to).

  • Independent Ben

    kaffeen, that’s incredible. Renewed strength? All last night did was solidify his obvious weaknesses as a candidate.

  • johnflint1985

    This is what I am having all morning today on another forum. From onemad Obama supporter

    Geraldine Ferraro, the former congresswoman and Democratic vice-presidential candidate, said that “if Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position.”
    And you wonder why Blacks continue to vote for Obama? But what is even funnier and shows how racism or a sense of superiority over another person based on class, race, ethnicity and so forth is that these things tend to slowly erode your mind. Obama is not the first black man to run for the presidency so why didn’t blacks vote for Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or even Shirley Chisolm with such fanfare? These other candidates at least had European sounding surnames and first names. Barack Hussein Obama? And to top it off his first parents were of African(not African American) and European (some say Jewish) lineages making him a firstparent racially mixed person. It just doesn’t add up!
    So instead of giving the guy his due for running a flawless campaign a person of Italian ancestry(of all people) calls out that the only reason he’s got to where he’s gotten is because he’s black? Italians only became white in and around the 20’s and the 30’s. Up until then they were considered “white negroes”.

    Read:
    Italian immigrants encountered a racist system based on socially marked categories of “white” and “black.” Italians often found themselves in an in-between position of not quite black and not quite white, while always receiving the benefits of whiteness from the federal government. In wasn’t until the 1930s and 1940s that Italian Americans began to assert a “white” identity, and sometimes with a vengeance.
    http://www.italianrap.com/italam/italam_race.html
    There stands a lot of history of how Italians, Irish and in my prediction Hispanics will soon begin asserting their “whiteness”.

    Finally blacks have found a candidate that they rightfully can endorese. But it wasn’t until Bill Clinton made the remark about ‘Jesse Jackson winning SC’ that many blacks spun on their heels towards Obama. There existed no other bloc that was more loyal to the Clintons than the African American, even having some black folks running around calling him ‘our first black president’. The Clintons lost the AA vote because of their arrogance and double speak. History will remember this time and the Clintons and note that ‘they really fucked up!’

  • Florida Democrats Oppose Primary Do-Over

    Susan Davis reports on the presidential race.

    Members of Florida’s delegation to the U.S. House released a joint statement Tuesday night expressing their unequivocal opposition to a second round of voting to seat the delegates that were stripped from the Sunshine State for violating Democratic National Committee rules by holding its primary too early.

    “We are committed to working with the DNC, the Florida State Democratic party, our Democratic leaders in Florida, and our two candidates to reach an expedited solution that ensures our 210 delegates are seated,” the brief statement read. “Our House delegation is opposed to a mail-in campaign or any redo of any kind.”

    Those House members are also superdelegates to the Democratic convention, and their opposition to a do-over is just one more roadblock in solving the matter. Michigan was also stripped of its delegates, but they have not taken the same stance as Florida yet.

    Florida appeared to be mulling a mail-in vote but that system raised doubts in Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign. Senior strategist David Axelrod told reporters Tuesday that there were doubts that a hastily organized mail-in vote would not cause further problems. Axelrod said it took Oregon ten years to perfect their system. “Now we’re going to turn this process over to parties within the states with a matter of weeks to prepare? It’s certainly a matter of concern to us,” he said.

    Sen. Hillary Clinton, who won the Michigan and Florida contests, released a statement today on the issue. “The results of those primaries were fair and they should be honored,” she said, non-Clinton supporters disagree with this strongly, as Obama’s name did not appear on the Michigan ballot and neither campaigned in Florida. Clinton, however, did not close the door to a second round of contests. “In my view there are two options: Honor the results or hold new primary elections. I don’t see any other solutions that are fair and honor the commitment that two and a half million voters made in the Democratic primaries in those two states.”

  • tiburones

    Independent Ben, I think if PA mirrors OH times squared, the SD will take notice.

    PA has the third largest elderly population behind FL. They have more than OH and what we have seen s that this block of voters have not wavered in their support of Hill. I believe that they also make up 1/3 or 1/4 of all of the regisered Dems in PA.

    I believe that this group alone will neutralize and swamp BO’s AA advantage in the city where their population is around 11%.

    We saw that Hill was able to win men in OH and up her women support. IF she can replicate this as well as continue to bring in the Catholic voters, shewill do well.

    We just have to make sure that she has the resources to compete.

  • plural

    Jesse Jackson did win SC twice in the 1980s and reminding us of that was a tribute to him, not an insult to anybody.

  • Independent Ben

    johnflint1985, some truth really needs to be told about the playing of the race card in this campaign. The facts were clear in SC, right down to the memo the Obama campaign put out – with instructions on how to do it.

  • mj

    Why do they only say his name was not on the ballot, and not he chose to remove his name from the ballot?

  • basil9

    Tiburones,
    the Latino vote will NEVER go to BO. i know this because the area where I worked for 20 years was predominantly Latino and AA and the two groups despise each other. Gangs are divided between the two groups and the warfare between them is racist on both sides. AA’s hate Latinos because they view them as a threat, both in terms of sheer numbers and popultaion growth as well as the perception they’re competing for the same slices of pie AA’s have dominated. They are at war.
    OK, gotta go and can’t wait to tune into Rush and hear what he has to say about BO’s insulting him yesterday. Should be even better than Dobbs. hehehehe.

  • Independent Ben

    tiburones, if she can follow up a good win in PA, and go into NC and win there, I think it would be a fatal blow to Obama. NC is certainly not MS, and the entire western part of the state is pretty much like TN.

  • MJ, neither do they mention that Obambi campaigned as “undecided”.

  • johnflint1985

    Independent Ben
    I challenged more than once yo show me a single instance where Clintons ever used race. No one answered sop far – because there is none. But Obama successfully pushed and do it now again – that whole campaign is about racism. Media loves that – since it is keeping us watching it. And Republicans cannot be happier – since it is a way to loose in November.

  • Independent Ben

    johnflint1985, they may actually know about the race card, but they happily blame it on Hillary and Bill – because they are obsessed with seeing Hillary Clinton lose. I think that has been pretty obvious.

  • Paula

    From a Taylor Marsh post on what’s going on:

    The video above partially explains what’s happening, which no one in the Obama campaign or in the world of his supporters understands. I’m not talking about myself personally, but about the emails and comments coming in. Clinton supporters are infuriated at the race comments and charges coming from the Obama camp and his supporters, while they feel wounded over comments made by Ferraro and others. Clinton supporters feel a double standard happening, which is made worse with Obama’s rhetoric using “hoodwink,” as well as shameful op-eds like the one yesterday in the Times, both of which are being ignored compared to Ferraro. But Olbermann is evidently going to make matters worse tomorrow night, in order to benefit Obama, as he’s promised a “special comment” on the Clinton campaign. This is a huge error in judgment on his part, but there’s nothing that can be done. It will stoke an already burning inferno of rage felt by many Clinton supporters, which will flow over on to people’s feelings about Obama.

    The sexism and misogyny in this campaign has been ugly and widespread. Paul Lukasiak has a post on it over at Lambert’s place.

    However, the charges of racism towards Clinton and her supporters are now being met with blind rage, while Ferraro’s comments are made out of frustration over the coverage Clinton has received over time, starting with Jesse Jackson Jr. stoking those fires, as well as the threats to African American lawmakers for supporting Clinton. Obama’s campaign is furious over Ferraro (and others), but most especially about the resignations of key figures, especially Samantha Power, from his campaign who exhibited hateful language towards Clinton, and have been made to pay for it with their positions.

    Where this Democratic firestorm will end no one knows, but it’s white heat today is likely going to be further ignited by Keith Olbermann’s “special comment” tomorrow. I’d say turn off the set and don’t watch it, but the emotional engagement is too high for that to work. I don’t know what can calm this situation down at this point. It certainly isn’t cable TV.

  • Regardless of how or why or when or who, this race for the presidency is now racially charged!

    (BTW, that exclamation point is Mississippi)

  • johnflint1985

    Independent Ben
    Exactly. It is a tactic today and a strategy for the last 3 months. But at this point – it doesn’t matter anymore. Hillary is a “firm racist” in AA minds today LOL and there are no more states with racial divisions like Alabama or SC so it should be easier. Ferraro and her comments are true, but hardly helpful in this very charged atmosphere.

  • Independent Ben

    OBAMA’S ARGUMENT FOR THE NOMINATION

    I’ve got the lead in pledged delegates – and the entire AA community is going to walk out of the party if you don’t give me this. And oh, I’m disenfranchising MI and FL too. So let’s go to November and see what happens.

  • tiburones

    I’m having trouble accessing the comments

  • meiyingsu

    the strategy of BHO camp is to use race card skillfully to rally AA to get the nominee. They will call anyone who dare to call them out a racist to scare people. Then they can use same strategy again to get to the white house.

  • Independent Ben

    johnflint1985, I just don’t believe rank and file AA voters truly believe Hillary Clinton is a racist. They don’t follow all this as closely as we do. The party might lose Obama, Jesse Jackson Jr. and Al Sharpton, but most would eventually come home.

  • If the DNC had any control over their party (and brains), once upon a time, they would have forced Obambi to wait for his presidential run and coalesced around Hillary. Too late now. This is the joke we have for party elders. They are going to potentially lose a “sure thing” in November.

  • Paula

    The pro-BO media only thinks Obama supporters have a right to be pissed off. How little do they know …

    I will not under any circumstance vote for Obama in November. I was pretty sure before; now I’m positive.

    BTW, johnflint, that poster is wrong about the AA vote. Obama was getting 80 percent or more of that prior to SC. Once he won IA, and his viability was proven, AA voters went very strongly for him. They may have been annoyed by Bill’s comments, but it didn’t change the level of his AA support.

  • Independent Ben

    Yeah Paula, I spent some time on her site. She’s pretty concerned about the state of things.

  • johnflint1985

    Independent Ben
    I don’t know about that. Obama and media is working really hard to make sure everyone knows Hillary is a racist. I hope that people are smarter then this. let’s see what will be next. in any case – no more AA states.

  • birdgal

    If the Dems disenfranchise MI and FL, they have just handed the GE to the Republicans. Obama is walking in dangerous territory. I think, he may end up driving away more people than he is attracting, by making this election about race. I am turned off by it, and will never vote for him. KO is a total jerk for stoking the flames of this race. I will not give him, any of my precious time. What a jack-ass.

  • Paula

    I’m concerned, too, Ben. And the media is so fucking clueless that there are actually millions of HRC supporters out there who feel like we do.

  • mj

    Did everyone read the article I linked to? How ironic a white man will go after Clinton in his little show.

  • Independent Ben

    Paula, I think it’s pretty obvious to most that Hillary has strong support, and we’re not going away. We don’t need a daily dose of “Yes We Can” to be excited about her candidacy. Time is on our side – and Obamamania is on the decline.

  • I am just one voice, but I suspect I speak for many HRC supporters, I will never vote for Obambi this November (even if Hillary is VP).

  • Paula

    mj, What article?

    Also, what do you guys think will happen in FL and MI? I can’t see them being disenfranchised. As birdgal says, we’re looking at a surefire GE loss if that’s the case.

  • rgb44hrc

    mj Says:

    March 12th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
    Why do they only say his name was not on the ballot, and not he chose to remove his name from the ballot?
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    They make it sound like some devious plot against him, when it was his own damn fault. He just wanted to undermine the value and validity of an expected HRC victory in that state. Edwards also pulled his name off the ballot, certainly for the same reason.

    Your bad decision, and YOU have to pay for it.

  • birdgal

    paula: They may end up splitting the delegates 50-50. I don’t see any other alternative, if BO does not agree to a do-over. The DNC created a cesspool of problems and disenfranchisement of voters. They are handing the election over the Republicans. The democratic party is looking very foolish and inept.

  • Paula

    Ben, I was referring to her supporters being fed up.

  • 50/50 will *never* happen. That is disenfranchisement as well. The will of the voters will not be represented in that case.

  • Independent Ben

    Paula, I think we’re seeing them disenfranchised. The news today proves it. Obama supporters in the Florida Legislature are blocking any attempt at a mail-in primary. Obama is not going to allow any do-overs. And he only needs to stall to a certain point in March, and it will be too late to put together any kind of do-over.

    I don’t know how they’ll try and spin that – but I imagine they’ll just accuse the states of dragging their feet on coming up with a plan.

  • Paula

    birdgal, That solution sucks. It’s totally unfair to Hillary. Then again, why am I surprised by anything the dumbass DNC does.

  • Paula

    Now I’m really depressed about FL and MI. 🙁

  • Right now, with voters seemingly entrenched in their respective camps, there is only *one* issue. Electability in the GE. The task at hand for Hillary is to prove she is the most electable. If she does that, then we have nothing to worry about. If she doesn’t prove this, then McCain will be President.

  • nikki22

    Afternoon all! I just wanted to add to the conversation upthread about BO and white voters in the South. I’m an AA woman and I don’t believe white voters who don’t support him are doing so because of his race. There are other factors to consider:position on the issues, personality, connection w/ voters etc. Here in TN, Harold Ford got 40% of the white vote in his 06 senate race and came very close to winning. Some of the talking heads think he’ll run for governor and could very easily win. Carol Mosley Braun got elected in IL w/ broad support & so did BO in 2004. As far as AA voters go I don’t think just any black person can run for president and automatically get support-Sharpton and Mosley Braun barely got any support in 04. But if there’s a decent candidate running, Jackson and BO, he or she will probably get the lions share of the vote. I think part of it is that many aa voters feel like if we don’t vote for him who will? kind of thing. But also there’s a lot of pride in seeing someone like yourself (at least on the surface) rise to such a high level. Colin Powell, even though he’s a republican, could have gotten significant black support if he had chosen to run.

  • Paula

    mj, That’s another great piece from Sean Wilentz. Thanks for the link.

  • Independent Ben

    @Paula, we need to make sure lots of light is shed on what they’re doing. In public, the Obama campaign will say they will cooperate with any do over approved by the states and the DNC – while their supporters are blocking any do-over from inside the Florida Legislature. Lovely.

  • What is really funny, in a very morose kind of way, is that until one of our candidates croaks, we will be seeing this repeated for the next umpteen general elections.

  • Independent Ben

    nikki22, I agree. In Ohio, Hillary got the support of the white blue collar workers by connecting with her message on the economy. Of course, race will be a factor with some. It’s hard to avoid. But it seems that Obama lately has been driving more white voters away – by his own actions.

  • birdgal

    nikki: I would vote for Colin Powell in a heartbeat.

  • birdgal

    by disenfranchising MI and FL, the SDs from those states are also disenfranchised. Hillary loses the support of more SDs, which helps BO.

    The whole election is very, very ugly and is the work of the DNC, no one else.

  • AFL-CIO leaders last week said the group and its 56 unions would continue to remain neutral in the Democratic presidential nomination race between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, but would begin using its political resources to oppose Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

    The labor federation expects to spend an estimated $200 million on the 2008 presidential and congressional elections. It eventually will endorse a Democrat for president, but neither Clinton nor Obama has garnered the necessary support from two-thirds of the union’s 10 million members.

  • wbboei

    Hillary should vigoously reject any DNC plan to split the delegates for Florida and Michigan. This is voter suppression by the DNC at its worst. Either they seat them based on the original vote, or on the basis of a mail ballot or not at all. The cowardice we are seeing from Dean on this issue is astonishing, and it will split the party. Working people, women, hispanics and Reagan Democrats no longer welcome-the sign will read. That is what is at stake here.

  • mj

    Oh, that’s too bad. Last week it was expected the AFL-CIO would endorse her.

  • Obambi is kind of like the Buffalo Bills (Jim Kelly era)….great football team/candidate, but unable to win the “big one”.

  • mj

    This is so effing crazy. This man cries racism at the drop of a hat. And, somehow, Hillary’s the racist? What the hell is going on here?

  • Excerpt from Newsweek…

    “I saw a sign up there: ‘Help Wanted. Experience Required, Day One,'” Clinton said near the start of her remarks. “And I think that says it all. I want you to think about this campaign as a loooong job interview. Because each of us is going to come and talk about what we’ve done and what we want to do, and you have to decide: who would you hire for the toughest job in the world?”

  • How about this…

    There is what, five weeks or so until the PA primary?

    Obambi claims he can campaign away any advantage, right?

    Let’s just have the DNC make PA winner takes all….and I mean the whole enchilada. The democratic nomination. Sounds like a good plan to me…lol.

  • JanH

    MJ,

    That poll on msnbc is confusing to me. If I vote no does that mean the original Florida vote won’t count either?

  • and, folks, it pretty much is about PA…read this and see how scared Obambi’s camp is about “focus”…

    Casting U.S. Sen. Barack Obama as the underdog in the state’s April 22 primary in which 157 delegates will be chosen, the Illinois senator’s campaign said today that the Democratic nomination will be decided by primaries in the 10 remaining states.

    “We do not view this solely as a race about Pennsylvania,” Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said this morning.

    Obama campaigned in Bucks County on Tuesday and is due back in western Pennsylvania on Thursday, when his wife, Michelle Obama, will make stops in Abington, Ardmore and Villanova.

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who was in Harrisburg and Philadelphia on Tuesday, will be back in the state later this week. Former President Bill Clinton, meanwhile, today has stops in Erie and Johnstown and daughter, Chelsea, is meeting with students at Lebanon Valley College in Annville, Wilkes University in Wilkes-Barre, and Point Park University in Pittsburgh.

    Plouffe told reporters on a conference call that the race should be viewed “as a group of 10 states collectively.”

    At the end of the process in June, he predicted that Obama would win the majority of the remaining 566 pledged delegates that are still up for grabs.

    For more on this story, read Thursday’s editions of The Patriot-News.

  • nikki22

    Re the Newsweek item- I think it’s right and necessary to point out that BO isn’t ready for the job, but I also don’t think HRC should overemphasize experience. When she gets to the GE John McCain will have more experience than she does and it could be problematic. I like her theme of being the fighter for the little guy that she’s been using and showing us more of who she is as a person. That combo has been very effective for her.

  • hehehehe….and this…

    Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman, responded “the path to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue goes through Pennsylvania, so if Barack Obama can’t win there, how will he the general election?”

  • Shhhhh…….this is a secret, but the super-delegates are going to decide after Pennsylvania.

  • TPS

    The beginning of the end for the Obama campaign
    By John Carlson

    Special to The Times

    Everything in politics has an arc — a beginning, a high point and an end. The art of campaigning is to hit the high end of that arc as close to Election Day as possible.

    That happened in 1980 when Ronald Reagan, after stumbling for two weeks following the Republican convention in Detroit, regained his footing, restored his momentum and won 41 states on Election Day. In 1988, Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis ran 17 points ahead of Vice President George Bush — in July. From then on, everything ran downhill and Dukakis won just 10 states. On the evening before Election Day 2000, Dick Cheney told me a network poll had George W. Bush up 6 points. But the momentum had been moving toward Al Gore. Had the election lasted 24 hours longer, Gore probably would have peaked at just the right time.

    seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004275515_johncarlson12.html

  • mj

    Actually, not really Nikki. McCain does not have the breadth of experience Hillary does.

  • mj

    Though I would prefer she highlight expertise.

  • Dean and the DNC had better lay down the law to Obama stop the race baiting and do it now or this will turn into an all out war that we will never recover from. Put it in terms he will understand shut up or the FL and MI delegations will be seated as allocated.

  • By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent – Analysis

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – After two months of almost weekly showdowns, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton take a six-week break before the next contest in Pennsylvania — giving Clinton time to shift a tight Democratic presidential race in her favor.

    Without a weekly horse race to consume the candidates and occupy the media, the focus now moves to broader arguments about who would make the best nominee against Republican John McCain in November’s election.

    And the target audience shifts from voters in individual states to the group likely to settle the hotly contested race — the nearly 800 Democratic superdelegates, those party insiders and officials who can back any candidate.

    “The next six weeks is not about voters, it’s about spinning the press,” said Democratic consultant Dane Strother.

    The intense around-the-clock media environment fueled by cable television and the Internet will not take six weeks off, so a hungry news machine will be looking for new trends, hot controversies and changing story lines.

    “This is going to be a test of both candidates’ ability over the next six weeks to stay in the game. It’s going to be a very different phase,” said Simon Rosenberg, head of the Democratic advocacy group NDN.

    “There won’t be as much emphasis on the horse race and momentum, so there will be more examination of the two candidates,” he said. “This could be the knockout phase. At some point, one of these campaigns is going to start to fade.”

    Only 10 Democratic contests remain, and Pennsylvania’s 158 pledged delegates are the biggest haul left.

  • Shhhh….it’s Pennsylvania.

  • Sen. Barack Obama will not appear at the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in Scranton on Saturday, his Pennsylvania spokesman Sean Smith said today.

    City police met with Secret Service agents to plan U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton’s appearance at the parade. Clinton plans to fly to Scranton after marching in the Pittsburgh St. Patrick’s parade in the morning.

    Smith again said Obama will soon visit Northeastern Pennsylvania, but had no other details.

    Since Monday, Clinton and her daughter, Chelsea, have visited Scranton. Chelsea Clinton also appeared today at Wilkes University in Wilkes-Barre.

  • carbynew

    Obama is “DEAD MAN WALKING” is campaign is imploding as we speak. Obama has made one mistake too many and his thuggish Chicago style politics are costing him friends and influence.

    Obama won’t have Clinton Rules to use in PA and his arrogant treatment of Geraldine Ferraro is an insult to this great lady. To tar this women with the letter Racist on her because she opined that Obama is not being vetted like everybody else in the history of this country does has merit.

    As an African American, I’ve said this time and time again that the MSM are in the tank for Obama and that I find him unfit to be POTUS. Again his judgement is called into questioned with his handling of an irritant situation that was similar to what the Clintons went through earlier with David Geffen an Obama fundraiser and supporter.

    This plays into Obama’s lack of national experience, judgement and diplomacy. Skill he will need for domestic issues and foreign policy.

    To call a democratic party elder frustration with the msm to the level of the Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan is just outrageous and continue us down the road of party disunity.

  • Informed in Illinois

    RJK: re DNC “laying down the law”– not going to happen. Howard Dean is a de-facto member of the Obama campaign.

    @Ben said:
    In public, the Obama campaign will say they will cooperate with any do over approved by the states and the DNC – while their supporters are blocking any do-over from inside the Florida Legislature.

    Everyone, this is the whole problem– in a nutshell! BO’s entire campaign has been one sneaky, underhanded negative campaign – saying one thing in speeches and to the press, while planting misinformation, spinning the words of HRC’s campaign, and generally race-baiting behind the scenes.

    BO’s words do not match his actions. The press and public have been duped – the public seems to be catching on at last. Will the press admit they have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, and okey-doke’d?

  • Ann

    Great article…..importance of volunteers….

    Clinton’s Pennsylvania Plan
    Learning From Iowa,
    Campaign Goes Frugal,
    Tries Personal Approach
    By AMY CHOZICK
    March 12, 2008; Page A5
    In the six weeks leading up to the Pennsylvania primary, the Clinton campaign will blanket the commonwealth with events, recruit thousands of volunteers and throw strategic attacks at rival Sen. Barack Obama.
    What it will not do is mimic the tactics it used in Iowa — flying the candidate around on a “Hill-A-Copter” that costs several thousand dollars a day to charter; spending more than $95,000 on sandwich platters for caucus-night parties; or paying an estimated $3,000 for 600 snow shovels and thousands of pounds of rock salt to clear sidewalks for caucus goers when the forecast didn’t call for snow. Such expenses left the Clinton campaign hobbling into New Hampshire and led to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s $5 million loan to her campaign in January.
    It has been just over two months since Sen. Clinton came in third in the Iowa caucus. The lessons the Clinton campaign took from its expensive and unsuccessful yearlong effort there have altered the fabric of the campaign.
    In no contest has that been more apparent than it will be in Pennsylvania, which gives the Democratic candidates the longest time to campaign in a single state since the run-up to Iowa.
    With the Mississippi contest behind them, Sens. Clinton and Obama will spend nearly the same period of time campaigning in Pennsylvania as they did wooing voters in the more than 40 states and territories that have held contests since South Carolina’s on Jan. 26.
    As critical as Iowa was, Chairman of the Pennsylvania Democratic Party T.J. Rooney, a Clinton supporter, calls Pennsylvania “Iowa on steroids” because of its new importance since Super Tuesday failed to give either candidate a significant lead and because of the campaigning time candidates will have there.
    The economic and demographic makeup of Pennsylvania, which offers 158 delegates and goes to the polls on April 22, favors Sen. Clinton, who does well among working-class and older voters. She has the endorsement of Gov. Ed Rendell and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter.
    A recent Rasmussen poll of likely voters gives Sen. Clinton 52% support, compared with 37% for Sen. Obama. Other polls give the New York senator a narrower lead.
    Sen. Clinton trails in the race for delegates, with 1,473 delegates to Sen. Obama’s 1,579, according to the Associated Press; 2,025 are needed to secure the nomination.
    FROM THE ARCHIVE

    • Democrats’ Ads Get Tougher, But Budgets Are Lean
    • Clinton Looks Tough to Beat in Pennsylvania
    Political pundits are quick to point out that Sen. Clinton ran as the front-runner early on but has since lost her aura of invincibility. “They’ve lost too many contests to think anything is inevitable at this point,” Harry Holzer, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute, says of the Clinton campaign.
    As of Jan. 31, the Clinton campaign had $7.6 million in debt, compared with $1.1 million for the Obama campaign.
    Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson denies reports that the campaign overextended itself early on. “I don’t believe the campaign overspent in Iowa,” he says. “We are going to run a good strong campaign in Pennsylvania…and we look forward to the result.”
    Campaign staffers say that in Pennsylvania Sen. Clinton will rely more heavily on volunteers and a more frugal, homegrown effort. “I wasn’t around for Iowa, but I think people in Pennsylvania want a more personal approach,” says state campaign spokesman Mark Nevins, who joined the staff two weeks ago.
    Sen. Clinton is expected to host more interactive roundtable events to talk to voters about the economy — an approach that paid off in Ohio, where people have similar economic concerns.
    In Iowa the campaign flooded the airwaves with statewide television ads. Given the size and diversity of Pennsylvania, the campaign could mostly rely on targeted ads in cheaper, local markets, particularly in smaller rural areas where Sen. Clinton is popular, aides say.
    Television ads may be used less in Philadelphia, for example, where the large black population gives Sen. Obama an edge and air time is costly. In places like Allentown and Harrisburg, which have large Latino populations, ads may emphasize Sen. Clinton’s appeal to Latinos.
    “We expect to see a lot of niche individual [advertising] buys in ethnic communities,” says Pennsylvania Democratic Party spokesman Abe Amorós.
    In Iowa, by contrast, the campaign spent $6.5 million on advertising including $20,000 to broadcast a two-minute closing argument during every prime-time newscast in Iowa the day before the caucus. Sen. Obama spent $8.3 million on television advertising in Iowa, the most of any candidate, according to Campaign Media Analysis Group, a division of TNS Media Intelligence that tracks spending on political advertising.
    Mr. Nevins says the on-the-ground organization in Pennsylvania will rely on a vast infrastructure of volunteers and endorsers rather than expensive advertising or glossy fliers. Last weekend alone, the Clinton campaign held 42 volunteer meetings in the state, bringing in 1,500 new recruits.
    The campaign currently has eight offices and several thousand volunteers in the Keystone State. Full-time staffers are being hired by the hour, but as of Monday they still relied on their personal cellphones, since the offices didn’t yet have phones installed.
    Former campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle made $139,474 last year, making her the highest-paid campaign manager in the current presidential race. Obama campaign manager David Plouffe made $90,389. Last month Ms. Doyle left and Maggie Williams took over on a volunteer basis.
    Campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe says the campaign is also taking a different approach to fund raising as it builds up its Pennsylvania coffers.
    In its early days, the campaign relied on a top-down fund-raising approach that called on a core group of deep-pocketed supporters to donate the maximum amount, $4,600 for the primary and the general election. This left few donors to go back to when money ran low. Sen. Obama focused on building a network of low-level donors that have steadily contributed lesser amounts.
    Sen. Clinton raised $118.3 million in 2007, compared with Sen. Obama’s $103.8 million. But that advantage didn’t last long. Her campaign brought in $13.5 million in January, compared with $32 million for Sen. Obama during the same period. In February, the Clinton campaign says it raised $35 million, compared with more than $55 million for Sen. Obama.
    The Clinton campaign is now making a bigger effort to recruit small donors and to make it easier for low-income and elderly voters to give online. “Our supporters just haven’t given online as much as Sen. Obama’s. We’re doing everything we can to change that,” Mr. McAuliffe said last week onboard the campaign plane after Sen. Clinton’s Ohio victory party.

  • Informed,

    This too will come out in the public. Those legislators trying to block the redo will be identified and associated with Obambi. No worries there mate.

  • TPS

    Slate’s Mickey Kaus on Obama’s puzzling decision to publicize Ferraro’s comments:

    “Does the Obama campaign really want to prolong this controversy? Doesn’t he need white male votes in Pennsylvania, Indiana, and North Carolina? Didn’t that Jesse Helms ad work? Just asking! … Backfill: Jesse Jackson’s response, when Ferraro said a similar thing about him in 1988, seems much savvier than Obama’s. … 3:31 P.M.”

    http://www.slate.com/id/2186324

  • dot48

    Hump day.. Money Bomb Day. GrassRoots Online Fundraising Day. Give, give, give. It makes a difference.

    Call everyone you know to ask them to go to the website and contribute. $5.00 is not asking for much.

    She knows her base has limited resources.

    God Bless You Hillary. You will be 44.

  • rgb44hrc

    50/50. Isn’t that the cutest JOKE? Like, that’s a solution. Sure, it’s a solution for Obama losing FL like 50% to his 15%, and him withdrawing his name from MI.

    “Hey, Joe, you do most of the work on Project XYZ, and we’ll split the reward 50/50”.

    The 50/50 split is supposed to be equitable how??? It would essentially GIVE BO the nomination, or at least put him much closer in delegates. Right now, those votes (delegates and popular votes) are THE difference between those candidates. Give Hillary what she’s due, and she pulls just about even (if not ahead) in popular votes, and would surpass him in delegates.

    The 50/50 idea is supposed to be a salve, to heal the wounds, to appease the voters in those two states. But it is a sham, and we all can see through it.

  • JanH

    Okay. I guess I don’t need to vote in that poll after all.

  • filbertsf

    Obama’s 50/50 solution is pretty much like his “present” votes. Never taking a stand, always in the middle. Calculating. Shrewd.

    Spitzer is gone… one less ally. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

  • johnflint1985

    I am driving these Obama guys crazy today – I just love that. LOL

  • johnflint1985

    filbertsf
    no yet – they have yet to show any real charges against Spitzer if any

  • skmf12

    sorry if this was already posted, by riverdaughter:

    This is message to Keith Olbermann,

    You *used* to be my nightly news guy. My 12 year old daughter, “Brook”, and I used to watch you faithfully. We recorded you on our DVR. But you turned on us, Keith, with your partiality towards Obama and hostility towards all things Clinton. MSNBC went full tilt in the sexist direction and as a result, we removed you from the DVR and we don’t watch your channel at all anymore. I want her to believe that there are no limits to what she can do and MSNBC undermines my parental encouragment.

    Now I understand you are going to do a self-righteous comment tonight, highlighting the illusory offensive racism of the Clinton campaign. No doubt you will sprinkle your 3 minute hate with pictures of slaves and sharecroppers and shame us all into remembering how bad african-americans had it and have it. And all of this is very true. They *do* have it worse off than we privileged white people. No one is going to argue with that. But if you think you can paint Geraldine Ferraro as a racist because of an unfortunate proximity of the word “lucky” to the word “black” or paint the Clintons, who are life long advocates of healing the racial divide as being latent Klan members, you will find out that it will backfire in the most spectacular way.

    Because here’s the truth of the matter, Keith: Woman is the ni**er of the world. And every time you and Tweety and Obama and David Axelrod go off on the Clinton campaign like this without curbing your own speech and body language, you reinforce that message. And whenever Kerry or Kennedy or Dean don’t stand up and demand respect for Hillary from you and condemn the words that flow out of your mouths when Tweety refers to her as ‘babe’ and Obama tells everyone that she gets angry at him when she’s feeling emotional, you reinforce that message. And any time Howard Fineman or Jonathan Alter or Eugene Robinson appear on Countdown with you to say how it’s urgent for the sake of the party that Hillary drop out of the race in spite of the fact that she has *earned* more votes in more crucial states than Barry ever has or will, you reinforce that message.

    So, go ahead, Keith, make my day. If you still plan on having your special comment tonight where you drag Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro through the mud and expose them to shame and ridicule, I will have Brook sitting with me to watch you one last time. And I will carefully explain to her why men in power are never to be trusted to consider anyone but themselves. And that with this special comment, you are not sticking up for the african-americans out there who have nothing to fear from Clinton. You are sticking up for your *own*- the guys. And that the battle for equity had only reached the end of the beginning when I was in college. And that now it’s her battle to fight. And YOU are the enemy.

    Sincerely and with all my heart,

    Riverdaughter

  • wbboei

    It seems to me that if Obama adheres to his present position which is to reject the primary results in Florida and Michigan and to oppose a primary revote in those states then he is advocating a de facto ̶