On issue after issue, Barack Obama is getting exposed as a total fraud. Let’s discuss the fraud on home foreclosures, Samantha Power, Iraq, NAFTA.
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The American economy sucks – a crude but accurate assessment. Recession looms or is already here. Unemployment is soaring. Predatory lenders and predatory mortgages eat the carrion produced by their industry.
Hillary has a plan to “Protect the Dream of Home Ownership”.
As part of Hillary’s rescue plan she proposes a 90 day moratorium on foreclosures for homes purchased with predatory loans along with a 5 year rate freeze on these predatory sub-prime adjustable rate mortgages. Hillary Clinton also proposes a $30 billion foreclosure fund to help distressed homeowners.
Barack Obama opposes a moratorium on foreclosures. Obama proposes tax credits on 10% of mortgage interest and a much smaller, nearly useless, $10 billion bond proposal to somehow “avoid” foreclosures.
Hillary Clinton has a Rescue Plan; Barack Obama has a Rezko Plan.
Barack Obama, warming his toes in front of those lovely mahogony fireplaces in his Rezko Rescue mansion, chuckling as he reads the details of the health plan which protects his family, can afford to leave out 15 million Americans from his health care plan as well as to wait out the “economic cycle” and let the housing “bubble” burst.
Unlike Barack, most Americans don’t have an Antoin “Tony” Rezko to help buy houses they can’t afford. Americans will soon start to ask themselves “Where Is My Tony Rezko?” “Where Is My Rezko Rescue for a house I can’t afford?” “Where is my Tony Rezko?” “Where is my Chicago fixer?”
Obama has a lot of questions to answer which Obama does not want to answer.
The Chicago Sun Times:
Try to imagine President Bush, fleeing questions coming at him fast and furious over a controversy, closing a news conference by saying, “Come on, I just answered like eight questions.” Democrats in Congress and liberal interest groups would be shouting coverup. The editorial pages of the national newspapers would be thundering outrage. The late night comedians and left-wing blogs would be heaping ridicule on him.
We’ll write more about the Hillary Clinton Rescue Plan and the Barack Obama Rezko Plan soon.
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As we demanded last night, Samantha Power resigned today from the Obama campaign. The outrage is that she was not fired. But again, with Obama we get flowery words, and dirty deeds.
As monstrous as her words were regarding the wonderful Hillary Clinton there are other aspects of this particular Obama advisor that need to be explained by the Obama campaign.
Samantha Power was the author of the clumsy “attack Pakistan” memo which Obama delivered and resulted in riots in Pakistan. Comedy Central giggled over the incompetence of the Obama/Power play. At the time, we wrote extensively not only of Obama’s mess of a foreign policy speech, but also of Obama’s lies about his foreign policy speech. Obama lied then called those that were telling the truth – liars. Obama is a fraud through and through.
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Earlier in the week the Obama drama was about Obama’s NAFTA lies. The Obama fraud in this case involved meetings with Canada, telling Canada not to worry about the flowery words from Obama on the campaign trail. Ohio voters saw the Obama fraud.
Today’s Obama drama fraud concerns Iraq.
For all the chatter about Obama adviser Samantha Power’s calling Clinton a “monster,” another set of remarks made on her book tour in the United Kingdom may be equally threatening to the Obama campaign: Comments in a BBC interview that express a lack of confidence that Obama will be able to carry through his plan to withdraw troops from Iraq within 16 months.
Power downplayed Obama’s commitment to quick withdrawal from Iraq on Hard Talk, a program that often exceeds any of the U.S. talk shows in the rigor of its grillings. She was challenged on Obama’s Iraq plan, as it appears on his website, which says that Obama “will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”
“What he’s actually said, after meting with the generals and meeting with intelligence professionals, is that you – at best case scenario – will be able to withdraw one to two combat brigades each month. That’s what they’re telling him. He will revisit it when he becomes president,” Power says.
The host, Stephen Sackur, challenged her:”So what the American public thinks is a commitment to get combat forces out in 16 months isn’t a commitment isn’t it?”
“You can’t make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009,” she said. “He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a US senator. He will rely upon a plan – an operational plan – that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now, as a result of not being the president. So to think – it would be the height of ideology to sort of say, ‘Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.’”
“It’s a best-case scenario,” she said again.
Smart voters in Ohio and Texas saw through the fraud.
Thanks for the new Post Admin…
you do a spectacular job here on Hillaryis44! I mean that. I love this place.
Thanks Admin.
Turn on Fox. Michelle Obama coming up in next segment…apparent put her foot in her mouth again.
Amazing job. Truer words never spoken.
Thank you Hannity. A little help from lil ole me
Jake has a new post up….lol
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/power-play.html
Was there no Rezko trial today?
paula, no rezko trial on fridays.
Sean Hannity doing special on Obama this weekend…going to do mainstream media’s job LOLOLO
After yesterday and today, this is really humorous…
http://www.marieclaire.com/world/news/smartest-woman?click=main_sr
dot, i am watching too
Hannity doesn’t like Hillary but he’s taking Obama to task at least.
John McLaughlin on McLaughlin Group raising the issue of whether the Senate Ethics Committee should be holding hearings on whether Bambi accepted an illegal gift from Rezko.
Yowza.
Several points:
-Yes, this Texan did see through the fraud along with thousands upon thousands of other Texans and Ohio residents.
-Our caucus precinct was one of thousands where voting/representational irregularities occurred, and have been reported – intimidation from Obama supporters and lack of election officials standing firm with rules and procedures allowing Obama blow-hard strong-arm tactics to overtake facilities; lack of law enforcement resulted in a stolen caucus – again.
-Americans will continue to be exposed to Obama’s Rezko and third degree of separation from Hussein, Michelle Obama’s conflicts of interest and illegal dealings in her hospital employment, Obama’s pastor Wright and his admiration for Louis Farrakhan and his representation of Gentile and Jewish hatred, Obama’s TUCC and their racist/separatist Black Values System, Obama’s terrorist-friend ties with Weather Underground bomber of Pentagon, Obama’s Naftagate, the Obama’s unpatriotic in-your-face actions, Obama’s dirty Chicago politics, mean-sista girl Michelle with her unladylike hatred for America and her chip-on-her-shoulder, race-baiting/hating, crass self – and the habits of Obama – from “smoking” to whatever else(?) in the smoke-filled, poker rooms
-You damn right, Obama is a fraud with his “hope/hype” crap while he and his wife demean this country through action and deed over and over and over.
-Young people are looking for a change from pessimism – and he and his wife are the biggest phonies and frauds of all.
-We demand that the delegates that have ALREADY VOTED to be seated. The voters didn’t do a DAMN THING WRONG. Let Obama deny the voters of Florida and Michigan and see where that gets him or the Democratic Party in November.
-We will not be quiet or go away. Women of this country will elect Hillary Clinton President of the United States of America and we will swarm Denver, Colorado if that is what it takes.
I do think Michelle Obama despises America.
A repost from last thread, because I put so much of myself into it:
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mj @ 8:08 on last thread:
..and little old ladies, and small town shopkeepers, and clerks at the Pamida Store, and kids who have gown up in towns of about 2000, and PMA’s recruited to town so that we have medical care and…and…and.
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To you, and Terron (bless your heart-glad to see you back…how’s your partner?), other seers, and even Hawk, just a little:
This party only learned of the immense voter turnout that was to come, nationally, at the IOWA caucus.
Since so many of you now seem to have fortune-telling skills we did not know about, why didn’t you tell us BEFORE the train wreak?
If wishes were horses, how’d we ride, how’d we ride, how’d we ride.
It must be fun, to tell the rest of us, in retrospect, how we “could-a, would-a, should-a.”
I’ve said it before-
get your asses to a campaign headqtrs or regional office and put your ideas and $$ and plans out there. Then come back here and tell us how to do it…using links to your outcomes.
(I bet Admin rues the day I learned about the yahoo copy function.)
curiosity: Tell us how you feel. Go girl!
Michelle Obama will despise America even more if her husband doesn’t become president. She’ll blame it on racism. Trust.
Emjay, huh?
If I were the media, I would be very very very afraid of a Michelle Obama in the White House. Media Censorship will be the order of the day. Freedom of speech will go out the window.
Highly educated: I agree. I am getting tired of the race card being played so often. If he doesn’t get the nomination, it will become worse. I hope, Hillary ends up with the majority of the popular vote, so things don’t get ugly.
They are talking race again?
Hey, did anyone read that article about Wyoming? Anyone know how she expects to do?
Did anyone watch KO tonight? I just read this comment on riverdaughter’s blog and it’s infuriating:
I was just watching KO — yeah, I know, I’m a masochist — and he was covering the Samantha Powers “monster” comment. Of course, political neophyte Powers just made an inappropriate, but off-hand remark. She apologized immediately, and resigned immediately. In stark contrast, Hillary refused to apologize for someone comparing Obama to Ken Starr.
This is followed by a colloquy with Dana Milbank in which the discussion was how all this was going to work out okay for Obama because (1) Obama acted quickly; and (2) POWERS WAS ONLY GIVING VOICE TO WHAT MANY OBAMA SUPPORTERS BELIEVE ANYWAY.
Wait, it gets worse. KO said “Isn’t truth a defense?”
I’m writing to MSNBC now. I suggest others do the same.
mj
I gave you the reference time. It’s how we keep track of our notes here.
What’s their email?
I am heading to bed y’all…but to Birdgal, this….
I believe that even if Hillary could pull this off in the popular vote, the Obama’s and their surrogates have so tainted this hope train with racism that the backlash will be sever no matter what. Think of Watts 65, not Chicago 68…
The gauntlet has been thrown by some AA leaders…and it reaks of scare politics to me.
Bullies are bullies no matter their ethnicity. But this set of bullies, and their snotty little student cronies, have a shitpile of anger and it feels more like a coup than an election.
And the National Guard are overseas….
lol, hillary should play in a ad that obama is not really serious about getting out of iraq.
Ok, fine. I’ve given suggestions to the campaign. I don’t remember anything I said that would pertain to Iowa.
emjay, the wife is better but still weak and a nagging cough that will not go away. thanks for asking. docter told her maybe a touch of ammionia.
Why doesn’t the MSM demand some qestion and answer sessions with Barack and his wife Michelle. Bill and Hillary are open to all questions at all times.The Obama Cult will accept a pig in a poke and.They will be very disappointed,sooner than later when the poke must be opened.REZKO TRIAL will expose him to much more than he will be able to handle.He is relying on his skills as a great orater, when in fact that a Teleprompter only makes him a better READER.Hillary makes him look like the FRAUD and The second coming of JIM JONES.He is PATHETIC.
Me Again. Sorry to bug you again– but…Please VOLUNTEER if you would be willing to POST ONLINE COMMENTS in local papers FOR HILLARY. We are currently working on WY and MS– but need lots of people to cover PA. A small group of us started in OH and TX and had great success-SO PLEASE HELP US OUT if you can. Email me at spabeles@patriot.net for web addresses & to get started. Thanks guys.
LONDON, England (CNN) — Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was taken to the hospital Friday evening after falling ill at her home, a Conservative Party spokesman said.
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Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher attends an event in London February 14.
Thatcher, 82, was admitted to St. Thomas’ Hospital near Westminster Palace for tests, the spokesman said.
“Her condition is stable and she is speaking to the medical staff who are caring for her,” a hospital spokeswoman told the BBC.
Thatcher is expected to stay overnight for observation, the hospital said, according to The Associated Press.
Britain’s first and only female prime minister retired from public life after a stroke in 2002.
She suffered several smaller strokes after that.
Nicknamed the “Iron Lady” by the Soviet press after a 1976 speech criticizing communism, Thatcher enjoyed a close working relationship with President Ronald Reagan, with whom she shared similar conservative views.
Although her doctors advised against public speaking, a frail Thatcher attended Reagan’s 2004 funeral, saying in a prerecorded video that Reagan was “a great president, a great American, and a great man.”
“And I have lost a dear friend,” she said.
Thatcher was elected head of the Conservative Party in 1975 and took office as prime minister when the Conservatives won control of the government in 1979.
She won re-election in 1983 and 1987, but was forced to resign three years later during an internal leadership struggle after she introduced an unpopular tax that led to rioting in the streets.
During her time as prime minister, she emphasized the rights of the individual versus that of the state, moral absolutism and nationalism.
In her first term, Thatcher reduced or eliminated many government subsidies to business, a move that led to a sharp rise in unemployment. By 1986, 3 million Britons were out of work.
Thatcher was the first 20th century British leader to win three terms.
She was named Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven after leaving office
terrondt: Hmm….that would be pneumonia.
Spacegirl: That is scary. I’ve been feeling the vibes for awhile, from Sharpton, Jackson, DB, and the obamabots. They keep focusing on the “will of the people.” I just hope, Hillary closes the gap even more, which she should do with FL and MI.
Highly educated: I used to love KO, but I stopped watching him, around ST, because his hatred of Hillary was so transparent. He is a blowhard. All this back and forth has to stop. Power used name calling, Hillary’s campaign was discussing tactics/behavior. There is a big difference.
Washington Post front page story
Downside of Obama Strategy
Losses in Big States Party Must Win Spur Concern
By Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 8, 2008; Page A01
Democrats in Wyoming will hold caucuses today and — following what is now a familiar pattern — are expected to give Sen. Barack Obama the majority of their 12 pledged delegates.
The Illinois Democrat’s strength in a Republican state that has not voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964 is the latest example of an ingenious strategy that neatly addresses the advantage Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) enjoys in Democratic strongholds where she and her husband have long-standing ties.
But Obama’s losses Tuesday in Texas and Ohio — coupled with his Feb. 5 defeats in California, New York and New Jersey — have not only shown the strategy’s downside. They have also given supporters of Clinton an opening for an argument that winning over affluent, educated white voters in small Democratic enclaves, such as Boise, Idaho, and Salt Lake City and running up the score with African Americans in the Republican South exaggerate his strengths in states that will never vote Democratic in the fall.
If Obama becomes the Democratic nominee but cannot win support from working-class whites and Hispanics, they argue, then Democrats will not retake the White House in November. “If you can’t win in the Southwest, if you don’t win Ohio, if you don’t win Pennsylvania, you’ve got problems in November,” said Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), a Clinton supporter.
Even some Obama advisers see a real problem. “Ultimately, all that matters is how the nominee stacks up against John McCain,” said one adviser who spoke on the condition of anonymity, referring to the senator from Arizona and presumptive GOP nominee. “Right now, Barack is not connecting with the children of the Reagan Democrats. That’s a real concern.”
Looking at BBC, Hardtalk and CTV, our American media really embarrasses me.
MediaBistro has article up that the Obama camp may be considering the offer by Carville for each camp to split cost of a redo. Carville says his camp will pony up.
So it seems Carville is actively working the campaign now and that is a good thing for me.
I’m leaving the fleshing out of this to her team..I’ll keep contributing cause if this means Hillary as POTUS I’ll keep giving and I’ll go to Florida and work for her. Firehouse primary is what they are floating…
Carville is in Miami…
dot48, Obama will not agree to a Florida redo because he will lose Florida big time. He doesn’t want that headline of him losing another big state. He doesn’t want them to be seated. This is a great move by Carville. This is put up or shut up time for Obama.
what is the differencew beween a firehouse primary and a caucus
After a year of arguments, lawsuits and an unauthorized primary, a deal may finally be close at hand for a do-over primary in Florida.
The details have yet to be worked out precisely, according to Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL), but it would involve a mail-in vote administered by the state party. “My job is clear,” Nelson told Newsweek. “It’s to stand up for the right of Floridians to vote as intended.”
But here’s the catch: The millions of dollars necessary to pay for this would have to be provided through unlimited soft-money contributions to the state party. That’s right — this would be a special election funded by special interests.
Meanwhile, Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) has announced his firm opposition to a mulligan primary in his state.
timjcain, a firehouse primary is a primary with a limited number fo sites where people drop their votes in a box and the voting is anonymous. It is really a primary with limited hours and sites.
dot48, Firehouse primary? What’s that? And are we talking about FL and MI?
tps
thanks
I am from Texas and I would like to know if there is anyone challenging the caucas’s in court. I live in a small town in East Texas and there were no problems, the large cities had them all. I have a sister in Spring, just outside of Houston, she said there were alot of hateful Obama supporters there. Is hillary’s campaign or anyone else taking any of these precinct’s to court?
Never mind, lol.
LOL, thanks birdgal. my spelling is not the best.
confloyd, That’s a good question.
has no one captured any of these thugs on camera?
hillary has a swction to report caucus problem, they have lawyers
terrondt : That is okay. I’m a nurse, so that stuck out to me. LOL.
Dot: Which campaign is Carville working for?
Admin great article
TPS Interesting about Carville’s strategy. I’d never make it in that business. I can’t think sneaky enough.lol
I am counting on Hill and Bill to have a plan to wrap this up
Other than family, I never wanted anything so much
jubjub what’s a mulligan primary? And what does Levin want?
At my precinct in Texas, I was unable to capture any of the caucus theatrics on camera/phone. I was too busy trying to find/demand/get copies made for Hillary supporters, and playing keeper-of-the-gate, since Obama supporters (just like students tardy to class) kept dribbling in well after doors should have been closed and locked and enforced. Very few sign-in sheets, Hillary supporters stayed long time, some eventually left since no list to sign, while Obama supporters in their camp hogged forms and intimidated Hillary supporters. Like playground politics. In short, what started out at 70-30% in favor of Clinton, ended up 55-45% Clinton before stragglers were turned away after much confrontation from Hillary (us) supporters crying foul! Know it sounds corny, but it really was like the geeks vs. the thugs in school. Rules vs. “We’ll-do-whatever-in-the-Hell-we-want.” Do I need to state that I despise the caucus sytem? Will be attending the county convention as a delegate end of March.
Hillary is not going to let Obama be her VP is she? There was talk all night on MSNBC, CNN and FOX that she had offered. Ugh!!
prior to this election i had never really given the caucus process much thought and i had no idea that there were this many.
they appear to me complete miscarriages of the ellectoral process.
How many nurses, doctors, restaurant and retail people have to work nontraditional hours and thus don’t get vote. and if fl holds firehouse primary on a sat with limited hours won’t they be occluded?
curiosityhasme Caucuses are Caca
We must get rid of this stupid system. Isn’t it amazing how idiotic people act?
It is one thing to say that the delegates elected in FL and MI will not be seated (a stupid thing to say but still possible)…but there is no way in Hades that you can not count the popular vote. It is what it is.
And Hillary should count those votes and make the argument that Obama won the undemocratic caucuses but she won the battleground states and the popular vote. A party that argued the popular vote going to Gore cannot now say, we’re going with an arcane caucus system that shut out most voters and was filled with irregularities.
I am offended by the obsession with the youth vote over the senior vote. I think that going with the youth vote will sends droves of voters (seniors, women, and many young and men) out of the Democratic Party.
I hope Hillary counts the FL and MI popular vote and argue that she has a better right to the nomination.
The slogan for FL and MI should be: The delegates may not count but the people do.
This is my favorite fan made youtube video for Hillary. I’m sure many of you have seen it. It’s called Superwoman and it features the song by Alicia Keys. It was taken down several times but this one seems to be here to stay. There is another version of the video with Alicia Keys singing Superwoman live. Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgLAn5a_Kcc
And Superwoman Live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMUpA4ZX0g
I do believe that any statistician will be able to testify to the larger than statistically believeable discrepencies between the popular vote and the caucus results, especially combined with the individual voter testimonies that are attached to specific precinct locations.
It may even be that there is so much evidence that once the HRC campaign has his holiness’ attention, the evidence can be used as a negociation point…as in “look baby, do you really want the GE delayed while we take this to court? You know we will be able to lay the delay at your feet, don’t you?”
Re Texas, of course.
Irish: I think, it is premature. She may have dropped hints, but it is way premature.
timjcain: You are absolutely right about caucuses. I am a nurse, and work M-F, but for those nurses and other service workers, their hours include evenings, weekends, and holidays. Even Saturday caucuses disenfranchise many workers, For example, when Hillary was in WA, nurses told her, they could not caucus for her, because they had to work. WA caucuses started at 3 p.m. (I could be wrong about this). For most hospitals, day shift ends at 3:30-4p.m., and evening shift begins at 3:00-3:30 p.m. Thus, they could not participate. This is just nurses. What about waitresses, factory workers, police officers, firemen, etc.? Caucuses are not democratic, in any sense of the word, and just because someone wins caucuses by disenfranchising people, intimidation, and bullying techniques, is not impressive to me. Nor does it speak well, of how that person would perform in the GE.
I am not happy. My son just returned home from the University of Texas. I told him how excited I was that Hillary took Texas. He snapped back that Obama won the caucus. I told him that the results were not in yet. I told him I was at a caucus and no one who is paying attention would consider the caucus a fair and accurate process. He said he was at a caucus as well. What!?!
He did not vote in the primary and he is not registered in Austin! I told him he could not participate. He told me that they told him he could and nobody checked. He seemed kinda sad about the scam and told me that his caucus was run by Obama supporters and he now assumed they did not want to know.
Democracy in action!
HEHS
Did you see the one made by 2 high school students? It is their gift to our girl, and they can’t even vote yet!
I’m sorry I don’t have a link, but surely someone here does.
It was fabulous !
anyone know what time the caucas starts?
i wasn’t going to the phone bank tomorrow as i doubted i would be able to effect anyone day of, but if i can relay info regarding thugs it may be worth it.
I’ll try again
Emjay is this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnHZmvIc1kw
Sitting Bull
Do not report him, just as I did not squeal on my 2 OBot nephews….
But there is no way he would be punished if he legitimatally claimed ignorance of the rules, and told a Hill lawyer what happened…
There are lots of people on here who would help him, and you, get to an understanding counsel.
Heard about caucus after caucus conducted outside due to no room, so unable to enforce time to start and end. Obama supporters kept calling people to keep coming and they never stopped. How in the world is the Democratic Party of Texas allowing this to occur? Sounds like elctions in third world countries. No one checking on site for registration – yet using head count to decide on numbers of delegates for convention. What?!? Somebody better challenge these caucus statistics and throw this crap out!
I also would like to know why the media has not said a thing about how the caucass’s have been handled? Is this legal?
Yes, as a matter of fact, I will be attending our county convention as well. Of coarse, up here everyone seemed civilized, but maybe that will change at the county convention. Should I expect anything different at the county convention?
i’d take a recording device
No. Of course I won’t turn him in. He didn’t know he was doing anything wrong. I’m sure he signed in with his actual information. But this is digusting. I worked so damn hard and other are just rounding folks up and counting. It pisses me off.
I am a x-ray tech and I work evening at a small hospital in East Texas, I had to change shifts with the weekend tech in order to caucas, but I was determined. Tomorrow I have to pay him back by working his Saturday shift. It took some finaguling, but I managed it. It is not democratic at all. The Obamaniacs on some of the other blogs want to split the Florida and Michigan delagates evenly. I was very aggrevated to say the least. Obamamaniacs are willing to through out the constitution which guarantees the right to vote in order to get that rogue elected!
the Obots were very pushy and intimidating here in Minnesota too during our caucus. I couldn’t believe it, given people here are usually considered “Minnesota nice.”
I think this has been the general consensus across the country of this intimidating behavior by the Obot supporters.
emjay
i think this is the first of the 2 you tube videos done by the high school students
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptUiUXf6TFM
It seems to me that at age 14, Hillary was involved get matching names, addresses with votes cast in the 1964 election. We must follow in her footsteps. I’ll be glad to do it!
these caucuses are very undemocratic in my opinion. The biggest, most threatening bully wins.
and a camera cell phone in addition to a recording device.
Our county convention is the 15th and I am having a delegate meeting this week for my precinct delegates. Since we had 0 BO delegates at my precinct level, and only 4-5 for the entire county, it is going to be a VERY interesting Ides of March!
What really, really sucks is my son is 18 and this was his first participation in any election. Way to educate our youth you bastards!
I could be wrong, but I wonder if these Obot volunteers and supporters are trained to do this intimidating behavior.
yes, Sittin Bull, I totally agree with you… what a horrible first impression for your 18 year old son on how the “democratic” process works!
didn’t he hold a training camp for them i believe it was the summer before he decided to run for president
All I know is that the Obots here were VERY aggressive at the caucus. I was furious!
It might be worth doing some research on whether these Obots are trained to do this…
Laney,
I loved your movie, and someday maybe can find someone to teach me how to save all these memories.
The one that jimcain linked was the one (2 really) from yesterday though, that I was referencing.
Take a look…you’ll like it as much as yours, I’ll betcha!
This shit is not an accident. You know damn well they are trained to do this.
monkeybusiness
the answer is YES.
yep, Sittin Bull and Emjay, you’re absolutely right! I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but it took me 1.2 nanoseconds to find this article (sounds more like a cult training to me):
suntimes.com/news/elections/540781,CST-NWS-camp04.article
He definately had training camps
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11012254
Hey, I’m sorry for anyone who didn’t believe me before; I forgot to put the original source in my MyDD diary.
Yes, Michelle did really say (in jest) that she wanted to scratch Bill Clinton’s eyes out. Here’s the original article:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/10/080310fa_fact_collins
Sorry for the confusion because I forgot to put the source in at first, then corrected it.
I have posted here before, and believe me, I am ALL for HRC, as anyone on The Daily Joke or MyDD would
tell you.
hey freckles! welcome back. You been gone or just lurking until all the children go to bed?
yesterday someone was looking for info on bambi commanderring a myspace site if you’re here now or you now who it was here’s the link
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/obamas-myspace-conundrum/
Does anyone know how Hill expects to do tomorrow? I know she is not expecting to win, which is sort of crazy. I mean, are the Dem’s in these states not seeing the writing on the wall or what?
I think we can look forward to many more of these gaffes from the BO crew. They’re inexperienced and it really shows.
What I can’t understand is how they can sit there and spout hope and getting everybody to work together and yet they want to disenfranchize the voters of Florida and Michigan!
Maybe I should volunteer to commandeer a caucas for Hillary. Nobody pushes me around too much anymore after working with Doctors for 20 years. You know they say people buy dogs that either look like them or act like them. Well, I just happen to own two pitbulls, of which I am very proud of!!
Here is the whole paragraph. If you look at the article in the ‘print’ version, it is around the 10th paragraph from the top:
“It’s not that Obama doesn’t know the anodyne, wifely things to say (essentially, nothing). She is, after all, a “community and external affairs” professional. But her pride visibly chafes at being asked to subsume her personality, to make herself seem duller and less independent than she is, even in the service of getting her husband elected President of the United States. In Wisconsin, I asked her if she was offended by Bill Clinton’s use of the phrase “fairy tale” to describe her husband’s characterization of his position on the Iraq War. At first, Obama responded with a curt “No.” But, after a few seconds, she affected a funny voice. “I want to rip his eyes out!” she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. “Kidding!” Obama said. “See, this is what gets me into trouble.”"
There is another paragraph I will get which remarks on
Michelle’s seeming arrogance and how, after Mo Dowd wrote something to this effect, an internet ‘reply’ entitled “The White Woman Doesn’t Get It” made the rounds shortly thereafter. I’m SOOOO freaking tired of this reverse-racist BULLSH*T that these goofballs aren’t getting called on. Ok, let me go
get the paragraph.
Here’s the “arrogant” paragraph (actually, there are several):
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“Some observers have detected in Obama an air of entitlement. Her defenders attribute these charges of arrogance to racist fears about uppity black women. While it’s a stretch to call the suggestion that Obama projects an air of self-satisfaction bigoted, it may at least reflect a culture gap: last April, after Maureen Dowd wrote a column criticizing Obama for undermining her husband’s mystique, a blog riposte, circulated widely on the Internet, was titled “The White Lady Just Doesn’t Get It.””
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Now, is Michelle tied to that response? Probably not, but it gives you the feel of the garbage reverse racist crap that has been going on from Day 1 in this campaign and that REALLY picked up after Bambi lost
New Hampshire.
Disgusting.
Excellent post admin! This line is my favorite:
“Hillary Clinton has a Rescue Plan; Barack Obama has a Rezko Plan.”
hahahahaha! Oh my gawd, classic!!
I’ve been calling this swizzle stick a fraud for weeks and people were acting like I was being “too hard on him”, but that’s what he is and every week the pudding providing the proof gets thicker!
curiosity and confloyd – this is my experience of the TX caucuses – I was in Houston at one of Houston Community College. I wrote this in another online site:
6:15pm – Caucus goers for both Clinton and Obama were told to show up early. A week ago, probably 95% of Texans didn’t even know there was a caucus. So the turn-out and the victors depends on which campaign got the message out, and the campaign which benefits will be the one NOT dependent on those who work at night, those who cannot spare hours to caucus, and those who are elderly. In short, that is why Obama wins caucuses.
7:00pm – Primary is supposed to shut down so that the caucus can start when the last Primary voter has voted.
Thousands who showed up for the caucus have nowhere to sit, the small room given to these people is insufficient. People stream into the places where the people are standing in line to vote in the Primary.
8:00pm – No one is watching the doors of the Primary and the Poll workers have failed to close them to stop the Primary at 7pm – people still sneak in, and the Primary continues and the last voter doesn’t vote until 10pm.
Meanwhile, 2,000 people who showed up for the caucuses have been moved three times between 8 different room and 3 different hallways. I have to use a megaphone to lead people around.
10pm – ALL the 2,000 people who showed up to caucus have now waited for nearly 3.5 hours and have not had dinner. DO YOU KNOW HOW AWFUL THIS is for people OVER 60?
The precinct judge has been hiding for the past 3 hours, and when she shows up, she doesn’t even know what’s in the instructional package for the caucus. She disappears as soon as she hands over the packets.
10:30pm – we finally start signing people in, and on an honor system we HOPE that these are people who have voted in the primary because that is the criteria – you cannot legally ask anyone for identification; you have to trust that the thousands of people actually are from TX, live in the precinct, and have voted in the primary, and the signatures represent what will determine the delegate count. People in wheelchairs, non-English speakers, 60, 70,.80 years old, most who are supporting Clinton can hardly stand – they’re weak from not eating. One woman raises her skirt slightly to show me the urine bag attached. I beg her to stay because the caucus hasn’t even started, just the signing in process. She cannot and understandably so.
11:30pm – some precincts are starting the caucus process and determining the delegates. Most people have left after signature – those who are old are at the most disadvantage. Those who have to work early in the morning are at a disadvantage and cannot stay to caucus. Most of these kinds of people are Clinton supporters.
12:30am – one of the precincts is finished with the caucus
1am and 1:30am – two of the other precincts are finished – SIX HOURS LATER.
IN SUMMARY – I have never witnessed such an awful process especially for the elderly. It is no wonder that many do not show up – those who are older, non-English speakers Asian, Latino, Indian, etc, are usually for Clinton and don’t understand the process which as complicated as it is, is for people who have stamina and the ability to skip work or school.
I defended the caucus system (being from Iowa) until i week after NV.
Reading and hearing testimonials turned me against them.
But I have to tell you that until this year, with the unprecidented turnout, and the unprecidented brownshirt thuggery tactics, it worked wonders.
If you have ever participated in a real well-run caucus where you and your neighbors talk about strengths and weaknesses of candidates and parties, planks and resolutions to be forwarded, locals to be supported in the future…you will know why we were fond of them. Most times you only had the party stalwarts and a few new recruits show up.
What BO has made of the caucuses this year is a crime…and reminiscent of his using teams of lawyers and “the rules” to knock everyone but himself off the ballot in Chicago…or slipping a few reporters juicy gossipy sexual tid bits about his opponents divorces so the papers would demand that the closed court files be opened to the public.
He is just plain disgusting, and has no executive or leadership experience to boot.
Norway is too cold, but I am headed for Samoa if he becomes the next POTUS in spite of our best efforts.
hey all – go and vote in the Chicago CBS online poll – who has the momentum, Clinton or BO? right now 49 to 51 respectively.
(put h t t p info) cbs2chicago.com/
lninla
I just voted – but it still at 49 lol
Emjay, I hear you, but the intention of the caucus system is always to limit participation. It’s a relic of the past.
Ininla
Your story gave me a stomach ache, gotta go cook some angelhair, open my last jar of 5 Brothers cream sauce and get a carb high.
In truth, i am sick that was your experience…I want to cry. Caucuses were to be used to keep the weak Dem party going and growing in it’s bad times, and in it’s precincts weakened by gerrymandering…a tactic taken to evil levels by the Tom DeLays of this now corrupt political system.
We must have public financing of elections, and a stronger FEC, and prosacutors who are unafraid and unconnected to anything except the law.
mj
I disagree. It was not to LIMIT participation. It was designed to ensure that there WAS AT LEAST a modicum of participation.
It has often been said that most Presidential-hopefuls do not have much experience when running for office in the White House.
So if Obama and McCain are on the same level playing field of being newbies in stepping into the Oval Office, surely Hillary has a leg up against them in that regard.
Not only has she lived in the White House for 8 years, she has worked with her husband and the many staffs during their two terms as Commander-in-Chief and First Lady.
So with all things being equal, Hillary Clinton does have an edge over Obama and McCain.
How can 8 years in the White House as a working First Lady not be counted as anything but experience?
If you do not consider that experience, then isn’t Obama and McCain even worse?
They do not even know where the toilet is, let alone how things are running in the Oval Office.
There is no time to let these men get used to working in the White House. You can
not have a “Learn-as-you-Work” President in 2009.
Times are different.
This isn’t Peace Time.
America is at war in Iraq, with many enemies hiding in the shadows, waiting for a change in command to happen.
The economy is in shambles.
Hillary has Bill by her side.
Together, they accumulated 290 billion in surplus when they handed the White House to goat-story-reading-Bush in 2000.
This is a no brainer.
Hillary is the real change.
She is a woman.
It’s time to flush the testosterone out of the Oval Office.
This is no time to let these men get used to working in the White House. You cannot have a “Learn-as-you-Work” President in 2009.
Times are different.
This isn’t Peace Time.
America is at war in Iraq, with many enemies hiding in the shadows, waiting for a change in command to happen.
The economy is in shambles.
Hillary has Bill by her side.
Together, they accumulated 290 billion in surplus when they handed the White House to goat-story-reading-Bush in 2000.
This is a no brainer.
Hillary is the real change.
She is a woman.
It’s time to flush the testosterone out of the Oval Office.
Emjay – I don’t think I’ll ever experience a caucus as it should be – but the stories coming out of Texas are horrible – everything from Obama people blocking the doors so Clinton supporters couldn’t get in, to physical threats to Clinton precinct captains…resulting in the police being called; this is what I’m hearing, and tomorrow, I’ll be talking to a precinct captain whom I cultivated – she told me precinct split the delegates, but she was very upset. She wanted to talk with the press immediately. I’ll find out what happened to her.
mj..its going pretty good for riverton bill got them out lol…lander,douglas..but i think it was ininla..wanted to know some press..well billings mt. gazzette..is a place to send your articles to..i just got home reading thru the other post..billings has lotts of articles for wyoming thru the state also…2 hours from north western wyo.
its who you can keep on the phone for cacus when ya call..and to the blog i gave ya..you can see no jobs there..did you guys call anyone in greybull wyo…sheridan,wyo
hey CJ – I talked to a friend; she was working with U of W in Laramie press person, and didn’t have time to do any other publications – not sure what we can do now this late and that they’re caucusing tomorrow starting at 8am.
But that’s the nature of a caucus. You can see it limits participation. How many voted in the TX primary? How many in the caucus? Caucuses are set to a certain meeting time. They often involve persuading people. You don’t vote in private. It’s always been about limiting participation. Party activist for the most part picking the winner. That’s the nature of a caucus.
Ininla, how does she think we are doing?
But, CJ, the question is will they show up to caucus? She brought them out big time in Maine, but they didn’t caucus.
mj – she’s not hopeful re: WY. she says it’s Obama and Republican country, and she’s been fairly disillusioned by the “trauma” of the caucus process – she went through the caucus in Colorado and self-nominated herself to be a delegate for Clinton.
She that 1300 people showed up for Hillary today in Cheyenne – and there could’ve been more ppl, but the event was not well promoted. Though 4500 people showed up for Bill and Chelsea in Casper. She said the press was a madhouse though, LA Times, Washington Post, all there.
thats the thing getting them out on a saturday ..its gonna be hard but i think riverton lander well there pretty loyal.down in the middle of the state more democratic.and bo hes gonna have the same problem too…them repubs are sketchy on cross over there very wealthy and been that way for years and years..
Ininla…your story made me so sad and angry at the same time…I copied and sent it out to some that are on the fence but are starting to doubt Obama…
I know a lot of us are so disappointed and fed up with the MSM and so-called progressives…like many of you I have stopped watching so many of my favorite shows because my nerves just can’t take it…
lately, Randi Rhodes name has come up…I never listen to her anymore, but yesterday I caught the end of her show when I was in my car and she was bashing Hillary and actively campaigning for Obama for PA…well, I guess it was my ‘ straw that broke the camel’s back’ moment and I sent this off to Randi:
Hello Randi,
It is so sad to see you evolve into such an Obama partisan…I am sure you are aware that so many of your loyal listeners have just turned you off…as well as the rest of the Obama worshippers…you know, Stephanie, Rachel, Ed, Mike, Thom…
…the rest of us Democrats that have not chosen Obama simply wanted our ‘progressive media’ to be fair…not attack one another…and not take sides…just keep everyone informed and have a lively debate…but the ‘progressive movement’ has been shattered…there is no progressive movement…it is just personal agendas and no one has Hillary’s back…how could they?…they are too busy sticking the knife in her back…with a few exceptions (Taylor Marsh, Tom Watson, Talk Left) you and most of the progressive male blogs and some radio and most cable television people have just gone off the cliff…all objectivity has been lost…and many of us hear distortions, lies and race baiting from the so-called ‘progressives’…the Obama supporters have just formed their own club…and you have to agree with them otherwise you are insulted and attacked…they don’t have room for Democrats that don’t support Obama….
…oh…and heavy daily doses of Hillary hate…and sadly, Bill hate.. just feel free to blame everything on them…why not? …everyone else does…
Barak Obama lost me when he allowed the race baiting to begin on the night Hillary won the NH primary…that is when the ‘Bradley effect’ was introduced and it took on a life of its own from there…if Obama had come out and said ‘The Clintons are not racists’ I could have respected him, but instead he allowed the exploitation of the race card to continue and in addition, to my horror, began to parrot every Republican talking point against Hillary that we have heard from the last years…right down to copying the photo for the health campaign…his campaign has been so cynical…so Chicago…so, frankly, insulting to women…for example, his latest comment of “I don’t know what she is pedaling?” how uncouth…for god’s sake he is talking about the former first lady of the USA and a fellow senator and he asks “what is she pedaling?” the rudeness and arrogance are amazing…but it just comes so natural to him…
…just what is this man’s big rush? a state senator who wins a US Senate seat by a fluke against nutcase Alan Keyes and he immediately starts running for President and insulting the twice elected Democratic President of his own party…Mr. Obama has already divided the party…and you all go along with it…to me, this is a disgrace…he has plenty of time…he didn’t have to relegate the statesman of his party to the old school irrelevant bin…he drew the line in the sand…and the rest of us that still support those old Clintons don’t have to accept it…there really are some Clinton people left and new supporters joining every day…
…you have made it unbearable for other democrats to listen to your show anymore…for Hillary supporters we feel betrayed…and extremely disappointed in the harsh, harsh attacks that have been shot at Hillary…sometimes it sounds like you all are trying to outdo Chris Matthews…
…anyway as for the latest meme of ‘Hillary should get out of the race for the unity of the party’…forget it…not going to happen…I am surprised you don’t know Hillary and Bill well enough to know that they are not quitters and there is no chance in hell that Hillary will bow out…she has thousands and thousands of supporters who won’t allow it…her supporters are working their rear ends off for her…right to the very end…and the Clinton wing of the Democratic party will accept no less than a fight to the end…
…btw…all the Flag Ship Officers and Generals, Joe Wilson, Wes Clark, Larry Johnson…are with Hillary…and it is for a reason and it is not because she lacks experience…it is because they believe in her ability to be the Commander in Chief…what a honor that will be for all women…
Obama cannot assume Hillary’s supporters will be there for him…his campaign does so at their peril…Hillary may want to unite but her supporters are very angry at the way she has been treated…
…Randi…maybe you will regain your objectivity…you should know better…in any event…
…we still have about sixteen states to go…whatever happened to letting all the citizens in this country have their chance to vote for their choice and have it matter…that is the best campaign finance reform anyone can ask for…let the voters vote…and you can bet Florida and Michigan are going to be counted…otherwise the Democratic Party can just pack it in and fold…the USA has fifty states, not 48, regardless of any “rules” the DNC created…
…and I believe the latest word is that 2/3 of the Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race…we love this…in fact, we want more debates…what is the rush? It is only March…these things don’t usually end until late Spring…let it play out and let the chips fall where they may…it is called DEMOCRACY and it is coming back into style…leave it to a woman…
…what really bothers me is how many ‘progressives’ are in such a rush to shove the first woman who has a shot at this out of the game…she wants to fight, she is not backing down…but some of her fellow democrats want her to step back and keep quiet…such typical 20th century behavior to women…well, not this time…it is the 21st century and women are not going to be pushed around and silenced anymore…we are in this fight to the end…and it feels so good…
…the Clintons are not quitters…Hillary will soldier on…and she will be standing…
Hillary won’t be leaving the race…the only place Hillary will be going is probably back into the White House as the first female President of the USA…and I can’t wait…
Best,
S
casper and cheyenne..thats way good turnout for hill and chelsea too..
Hi Emjay
It is my birthday (still out here) and I got one call from a very progressive Dem who likes Obama. I spent 45 minutes explaining why he was wrong and we agreed to meet for more.
As an added birthday present, I got on here to read your great posts. Glad to see you all still fighting.
I already sent my third birthday present to Hill early Wednesday a.m. So pleased to see how many of you had the same idea.
did bo campaign there much
them cacusing its a drive for alott of people especially the back country’s and up the mountainous roads and lotts older people..like 70’s and 80’s the one who live in town should not be a problem..i think shell do very good…
Well, ininla, that’s depressing. Honestly, who the heck are these people? Doon’t they want a Dem President? She’s won all the big states. She brings in women, latinos, asians and catholics. I dont get it.
Happy birthday, Freckles.
OMG, Rhandi Rhodes is still saying Hillary should quit. Does she not hear Ohio, Rhode Island, and Texas for christ sakes.
CJ, there are 12 caucus sites. Which of those do you think Hill could do well in?
BO, I heard made 2 speeches in WY – in Laramie and Cheyenne, I believe. Definitely in Laramie.
S- I too used to be a Randi Rhodes listener, and every time I tune in for 20 seconds, I hope she’s gone back to her senses, become impartial and turned her animus towards the Republicans, but instead, I hear her ripping on Clinton…probably never again will I listen to her – if she’s really planning to campaign for BO in PA…she can go F herself.
If the mainstream media keeps their knives sharp for BO, Air America and their biased hosts have put themselves in a quandry – they’ll only be able to cultivate the far, far left now. I hope their listenership drops and they get replaced by basketball games.
S, great letter.
How is it that these so-called progressive women shar no joy that a woman may become our nominee? Don’t they see Hillary is supported by women about 2 to 3(aside african american women who favor BO 9 to 10). That’s fantastic. It’s empowering. It’s progressive. What about all the new people Hill is bringing in? Are latinos suddenly choped liver to these people?
It’s funny. I used to be a regular Air America listener. I haven’t listened to it for months, and don’t miss it one bit! lol
Ininla…I know just what you mean…with all these shows…Bill Maher, Keith, CNN, etc…I think they must have come to their senses so I sometimes will check in and they don’t even take a breather…it is nonstop Hll bash…I don’t know how they are not embarrassed by their behavior…these are ‘progressives’??? they have lost all their integrity…
Thanks, mj…
mj – my friend who’s friend WY originally said thousands will go to one caucus site since as you too pointed out there are so few. I imagine he will do well where the university is in Laramie, and should do well in Cheyenne – though military base is there, and not sure how that influences things.
Happy birthday freckles!
spega Says:
Me Again. Sorry to bug you again– but…Please VOLUNTEER if you would be willing to POST ONLINE COMMENTS in local papers FOR HILLARY. We are currently working on WY and MS– but need lots of people to cover PA. A small group of us started in OH and TX and had great success-SO PLEASE HELP US OUT if you can. Email me at spabeles@patriot.net
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spega,
I emailed you to volunteer for this but haven’t got a reply. I’m 1950democrat at gmail.com
hope she will take park county.big horn county.hot springs..natrona is casper….maybe.campbell county,sweet water.converse jonhnson county …teton he will take,i imagine
laramie county cheyenne i think it will be close
Samantha Power (the monster) is gone with her dirty language, making the poor camp poorer in international matters.
I really think Hillary’s campaign should send out a mailer based on Admin latest post.
CJ, are you sure about that? None of these caucuses have been close so far. I read today that 65% of BO’s delegates come from caucuses.
hope she takes sheridan county shell do good there
the rest im not to sure worland..is Washakie County ohh to close there for me to pick..lotts of hispanics though
Im so tired of Obama’s campaign, they have nothing, Plouffe and Axelrod, blah!!!
How are the delegates allocated? Anyone know?
S – agree. Basically Rachel Maddow and Randi Rhodes are admitting that their support of him is entirely about his “against” the war stance. I really do believe that they’ve painted themselves into a corner – they’ve driven out all the moderate listeners, so the only people who are calling in now are BO supporters and they’re pandering to them.
i think she’do good there so darn relaxed there ya never know what they’ll do..or even attend..thats the problem 60,000 dems…the rest repubs out of 500,000
OMG, that old saw about the war. These people have no nuance. I now realize they are just like the radical right.
nope but here are the numbers fro delegates
County-by-county details (number of delegates to the state convention in parentheses)
Albany County (25 delegates)
9 a.m. (registration begins at 8 a.m.)
Laramie Plains Civic Center
710 Garfield, Laramie
Big Horn County (6 delegates)
2 p.m.
Basin Chamber of Commerce
407 W. C St., Basin
Campbell County (17 delegates)
10 a.m. to 4 p.m. (lunch break at 12:30 p.m.)
Campbell County Public Library, meeting room
2101 S. 4J Road, Gillette
Carbon County (10 delegates)
10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Union-Pacific train depot
Corner of 4th and Front streets, Rawlins
Converse County (7 delegates)
10 a.m.
Douglas Senior Center
340 1st St. West, Douglas
Crook County (4 delegates)
10 a.m.
Crook County Courthouse, Jury Room
Sundance
Fremont County (23 delegates)
9 a.m. to 1 p.m.
Lander Valley High School main lobby
1005 W. Main St., Lander
Chair Linda Barton arranging rides from Dubois.
Goshen County (7 delegates)
9 a.m. to noon
Pinnacle Bank, Wyoming Room (downstairs)
2000 Main St., Torrington
Hot Springs County (4 delegates)
9:30 a.m. to noon
Hot Springs County Museum
700 Broadway, Thermopolis
Johnson County (4 delegates)
2 p.m.
Buffalo Senior Center
671 W. Fetterman St., Buffalo
Laramie County (55 delegates)
9 a.m. (registration begins at 8 a.m.)
Cheyenne Civic Center
510 W. 20th St., Cheyenne
Lincoln County (8 delegates)
11 a.m.
Lincoln County Courthouse
925 Sage Ave., Kemmerer
Natrona County (43 delegates)
9 a.m. (registration begins at 7:30 a.m.)
Holiday Inn on the River
300 West F Street, Casper
Niobrara County (1 delegate)
9:30 a.m.
Home of Everett and Fredda Lou Kilmer
207 W. 4th St., Lusk
Park County (16 delegates)
10 a.m.
Park County Complex (old Marathon building)
1501 Stampede Ave., Cody
Platte County (6 delegates)
10 a.m.
First State Bank conference center (by Safeway)
1405 16th St., Wheatland
Sheridan County (18 delegates)
2 p.m. to 6 p.m.
Sheridan Senior Center
211 Smith St., Sheridan
Sublette County (4 delegates)
9 a.m.
Sublette County Library
155 S. Tyler Ave., Pinedale
Sweetwater County (24 delegates)
10 a.m. (registration begins at 9 a.m.)
Green River High School auditorium
1615 Hitching Post Drive, Green River
Keynote speaker: Cheyenne attorney Paul Hickey
Teton County (17 delegates)
4 p.m.
Snow King Resort, Grand Teton Room
400 E. Snow King Ave., Jackson
Uinta County (11 delegates)
9 a.m.
Evanston Elks Lodge
268 Duncomb Hollow Dr., Evanston
Washakie County (5 delegates)
10 a.m.
American Legion Hall
119 S. 7th St., Worland
Weston County (4 delegates)
2 p.m.
Newcastle Senior Center
627 Pine St., Newcastle
Thanks, CJ.
it is true there are lots of Latinos in colorado and Wy areas – depends on if the GOTV teams got to them or not. CJ – have you been through the caucus process before? It’s all about the ground game and Get out the Votes- he excels at that for caucuses, and he has supporters who have the stamina to caucus.
Are you getting the sense that people know how to caucus? – my friend from WY gave me the sense that people there still don’t know much about the caucus process.
yep..here is the rules
http://www.wyomingdemocrats.com/ht/display/EventDetails/i/1128771
She actually does excel at GOTV, just primary big state GOTV. Just looking at that schedule made me a bit sick. I would never in a million years want to caucus. I just wan to go in the voting booth and pick my nominee.
If you check the archives, you will read that before NV, I posted that caucuses were the worst idea in voting since the poll tax. After NV, I said they STINK! Because I screamed over and over, I was assured that at the special casino precincts, there would be lots of lawyers. (not just cause I screamed, I’m sure, but it helped) They weren’t at the other precincts and the irregularities were widespread and egregious. It hasn’t gotten better and there doesn’t seem to be cameras and lawyers and tapes to prove this. Why not?
How about an anonymous site where everyone with a bad caucus experience could write in — about the ineligible voters they know about — about the aggressive Obama voters, etc, etc.
There would be hundreds if not thousands of entries.
some of those town mj are like 4 blocks long the rest out in the country..like basin wyo…1200 people but farmers 20 miles or more from town
isn’t it strange when John King does that delegate count with the map on CNN, that he assumes BO will win every caucus. now, why don’t they do a story on why BO wins caucuses, if they have such a knee jerk reaction to say so. it’d be nice for someone to do a little investigative story about caucuses to find out – wow, they’re just really undemocratic.
I can say this, so many of the people at the Houston caucus I participated in as an observer, were so upset by the process, even Obama supporters were saying it was undemocratic that they said never again would they do this.
silly having wyo cacus..it should be primary and closed and mail in there vote..just a hassle to get them there…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTWumj6qpmI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/8/21823/34774/922/471993
It dont look good. Terry on Bill Maher, at this point, why even do his show? but Bill was an ass, pumpin Obama talking points and Terry handled it well, but the ending….. see it for yourself
i agree ininla …its not fair people who want to vote in the primarys are left out..they dont even know about it.so you get people at a cacus to vote for the nominee of the party but its only a few…no sense in it..unfair…
poligazette.com/2008/03/06/obama-rezko-and-media-ignorance-of-the-chicago-way/
Obama-Rezko and Media Ignorance of “The Chicago Way”
Filed under: 2008 elections, Barack Obama, Corruption — Rick Moran on March 6, 2008 @ 8:13 pm CET
Malone: You said you wanted to get Capone. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I’m saying is, what are you prepared to do?
Ness: Anything and everything in my power.
Malone: And *then* what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way because they’re not gonna give up the fight until one of you is dead.
Ness: How do you do it then?
Malone: You wanna know how you do it? Here’s how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That’s the Chicago way…
(From “The Untouchables”)
Many of us familiar with Chicago politics have been wondering for months at the apparent disconnect of the media regarding Obama’s relationship to the Chicago political machine. Where did they think this guy came from?
The lack of curiosity by the press about Obama’s connections to one of the most corrupt city governments in the United States should be one of the big media stories of this campaign. While it is true that Obama’s connections to the Machine are not as extensive as many other politicians, I’ve got news for you Obama apologists; try running for any office in Chicago – local, state, or federal – and see how far you get without support from the regular Democrats.
Besides, examining Obama’s first state senate race should have been a tip off to the national press that this fellow can play the game of politics “The Chicago Way” as well as any corrupt Daleycrat:
Don’t you think that information like this might be included in any standard media bio of the candidate, MSNBC? Or have you guys at Fox never heard of the internet and Google?
This is politics “The Chicago Way” as John Kass points out in this ground breaking column today:
“Chicago ain’t Camelot” may be the understatement of this political year. Chicago is…well, Chicago. For instance:
Are you getting the picture New York Times? Do I have to spell it out for you Washington Post? Wake up and smell the coffee, CNN!
Sorich was convicted two years ago of running the mayor’s massive and illegal patronage operation, and he’s still not in prison. Thugs, morons, idiots, and convicts were put on the city payroll to work the precincts so that Daley could keep getting elected. Obama’s spokesman, David Axelrod, defended Daley patronage in a Tribune op-ed piece.
As an aside, for a while there it looked like Fitzy might be targeting hizzoner himself, measuring him for prison coveralls. But the Daleys have always been too smart to get caught doing anything really illegal and the Mayor’s luck held.
But seriously LA Times, this is the political culture Barack Obama matured in. Would it do any harm to perhaps, you know, pretend that you’re doing your job and send a reporter down here to look into a few things.
Maybe you folks at ABC News could start by looking into those letters Obama wrote to city and state officials on behalf of his now indicted patron, friend, and fund raiser Tony Rezko to get a $14 million contract to build senior housing – a development located outside of his senate district:
And lest there be any doubt CBS News, here’s Obama’s “Chicago Way” response:
Um, no Boston Herald, the project was not benefiting people in Obama’s district. It was benefiting his buddy Rezko to the tune of $855,000. But hey! It sure sounds good when you can say that you don’t know “that anyone specifically asked” Obama to write the letters. That’s the key to any “Chicago Way” denial; be as vague as possible so just in case evidence surfaces later that you’re lying through your teeth, you have an out.
The same goes for the shady deal on the house, Philadelphia Enquirer:
“Taking care of your own” was something Obama was very good at. How good we probably won’t know for a while. That’s because it’s not only what Obama did for Rezko and vice versa that should be occupying the press as they write about the potential next President of the United States. It’s what he did for Rezko’s cronies and other contributors that should also be examined. And the candidate himself isn’t volunteering any information. That, too is “The Chicago Way.” Be smart and keep your mouth shut.
Perhaps the Rezko trial, now underway at the Federal building downtown, will change this dynamic. But I guess I shouldn’t be too optimistic. Kass explains:
When even sainted George Washington is on the take, you know that something is really rotten in this town.
Chicago Tribune’s John Kass explains “The Chicago Way” (Videos):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass06mar06,0,3632128.column
I’ve never participated in a caucus so I searched “caucus” on youtube and an Obama was one of the first to appear. He actually has a video on how to caucus and he’s had it since Iowa. I’m sure this was his strategy all along. He probably knew it’d be a long shot to win big Clinton states like NY, CA, NJ, and MA. He probably figured out that he’d find a way sooner or later to galvanize the African Americans to vote for him. So he knew from the start that his best bets were African American states like George and South Carolina and caucus states where he could undemocratically and illegally ship people from IL into Iowa to intimidate voters and use a small subset of youth voters to win a large amount of delegates.
So if you want to learn more about how to caucus…check out this video from Barack Obama himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxESw0lY0CE
What is Obama up to? Obama’s name is connected to Columbian warlords. Another of Obama’s “friends” this is deeply disturbing. Is this where his “little” money comes from.
Caught again
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=289786626246641
Terrorism: The March 1 death strike by the Colombian army against FARC warlord Raul Reyes broke open a trove of contacts in his computer. So why did the name of Barack Obama turn up there?
Admittedly, it pales compared with other material from the dead thug’s computer — such as FARC efforts to obtain uranium or Hugo Chavez’s $300 million support.
But the little Obama reference within the 15 FARC letters released by the Colombian government signals a disturbing pattern of contacts with rogue actors. It’s not the first time, and Obama has yet to distance himself.
In a Feb. 28 letter, FARC chieftain Raul Reyes cheerily reported to his inner circle that he met “two gringos” who assured him “the new president of their country will be Obama and that they are interested in your compatriots. Obama will not support ‘Plan Colombia’ nor will he sign the TLC (Free Trade Agreement).”
Aside from some interesting possibilities about who these “gringos” are — a congressional delegation did visit Ecuador and an international leftist “congress” was held in Quito around this time — the real question is why anyone secretly consorting with FARC would be able to speak for presidential candidate Obama.
Obama hasn’t said a whole lot about Colombia other than to criticize President Bush’s good relations with President Uribe. With this correspondence suggesting that FARC knows what he thinks, maybe the American voters have a right to know what he thinks, too. Five questions come to mind:
1. Is it true Obama would cut off Plan Colombia military aid to our ally, which would serve the terrorist group FARC’s interests?
2. Does Obama still oppose a free trade agreement for Colombia, even though that puts him on the same side as FARC in the debate?
3. Does Obama know or care that one of his staffers or supporters is claiming to disclose his positions in secret meetings with FARC terrorists outside government channels?
4. Can he tell us why his supporters would pass on such information to terrorists, and what he or she could gain from it?
5. Will Obama, as president, treat FARC as the serious terrorists they are, given that they still hold three Americans hostage?
These aren’t idle “gotcha” questions, by the way. Based on his campaign so far, Obama favors meeting and negotiating with rogue leaders without preconditions, passing secret messages to foreign countries at odds with his public positions and tolerating Che-flag wielding leftists among his supporters who advance a radical agenda in his name.
Now that FARC seems to have an inside line to Obama’s campaign, maybe he ought to come tell voters what he really stands for.
Obama is sure picking his “friends”, maybe this is where he gets his “little” donations from.
GUYS, THIS IS DEEPLY DISTURBING, if trus must be spread wide.
w*w.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=289786626246641
Terrorism: The March 1 death strike by the Colombian army against FARC warlord Raul Reyes broke open a trove of contacts in his computer. So why did the name of Barack Obama turn up there?
Admittedly, it pales compared with other material from the dead thug’s computer — such as FARC efforts to obtain uranium or Hugo Chavez’s $300 million support.
But the little Obama reference within the 15 FARC letters released by the Colombian government signals a disturbing pattern of contacts with rogue actors. It’s not the first time, and Obama has yet to distance himself.
In a Feb. 28 letter, FARC chieftain Raul Reyes cheerily reported to his inner circle that he met “two gringos” who assured him “the new president of their country will be Obama and that they are interested in your compatriots. Obama will not support ‘Plan Colombia’ nor will he sign the TLC (Free Trade Agreement).”
Aside from some interesting possibilities about who these “gringos” are — a congressional delegation did visit Ecuador and an international leftist “congress” was held in Quito around this time — the real question is why anyone secretly consorting with FARC would be able to speak for presidential candidate Obama.
Obama hasn’t said a whole lot about Colombia other than to criticize President Bush’s good relations with President Uribe. With this correspondence suggesting that FARC knows what he thinks, maybe the American voters have a right to know what he thinks, too. Five questions come to mind:
1. Is it true Obama would cut off Plan Colombia military aid to our ally, which would serve the terrorist group FARC’s interests?
2. Does Obama still oppose a free trade agreement for Colombia, even though that puts him on the same side as FARC in the debate?
3. Does Obama know or care that one of his staffers or supporters is claiming to disclose his positions in secret meetings with FARC terrorists outside government channels?
4. Can he tell us why his supporters would pass on such information to terrorists, and what he or she could gain from it?
5. Will Obama, as president, treat FARC as the serious terrorists they are, given that they still hold three Americans hostage?
These aren’t idle “gotcha” questions, by the way. Based on his campaign so far, Obama favors meeting and negotiating with rogue leaders without preconditions, passing secret messages to foreign countries at odds with his public positions and tolerating Che-flag wielding leftists among his supporters who advance a radical agenda in his name.
Now that FARC seems to have an inside line to Obama’s campaign, maybe he ought to come tell voters what he really stands for.
John Edwards also has a caucus video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJX5S6UWXYI
I don’t believe Hillary has any such video. This is a mistake. She needs to teach her supporters what to expect from BO folks. It sounds so intimidating. I would be uncomfortable if I was in a room of all my fellow classmates and had to openly argue with them over who to vote for. This is so undemocratic.
a good reminder on those pledged delegates
blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/03/dirty-delegate-truths.html
hillary aiming for good showing in wy caucuses w/ 400 plus volunteers and 15 staff
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/us/politics/08campaign.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
w*w.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3499430.ece
Just where did the money come from Obama, when you didnt need Rezko to buy it, so why did you? It was a payoff pure and simple.
Mr Obama said that it was “already a stretch” to buy the house and his family could not afford the garden lot as well. The Obamas took a $1.32million mortgage from Northern Trust to help to pay for the house.
The Illinois senator’s own financial disclosures suggest, however, that he was prospering at the time. He reported that in addition to his Senate salary he earned $378,239 in book royalties from Dystel & Goodrich and an $847,167 book advance from Random House in 2005.
“With the permission of the Ethics Committee in January 2005, a $1.9million advance against royalties was agreed to by the senator and Random House for writing 2 non-fiction books and 1 children’s book ($200,000 of which is to be donated to charity),”
he wrote. “In addition, with the permission of the Ethics Committee, a $370,000 advance against royalties ($40,000 of which had already been previously paid pursuant to the original publishing agreement) was agreed to for work published in 1994.”
Mr Burton said that it would be wrong to view Mr Obama as flush with cash. Mrs Rezko, by contrast, appeared to have very little money of her own with which to purchase the garden lot. The following year, she told a court that she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Prosecutors said last week that Mr Rezko, despite leading an “opulent lifestyle”, was deeply in debt. The following year he told a court that he had “no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations.”
this is info we should start pushing everywhere…this article says California could even go to McCain…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/obama_is_weak_in_key_general_e.html
Love the smackdown the british reporter who published the “Monster” quote gave Tucker.
Check out this absolutely outrageous quote from the NYTimes. I think I threw up a little in my mouth when I read it:
“There are people that will always do politics as usual better than we will,” said Robert Gibbs, the communications director for Mr. Obama. “That’s why people want something different.”
Robert Gibbs is the dirtiest political operative IN THE BUSINESS!!! He was the one who designed the ad during the 2004 primary, where Howard Dean morphed into Osama bin Laden!!! And he’s giving lectures on a “different” kind of politics? What a crock of sh**.
Can someone please explain the caucus system to me????????????? I have never lived in a state with a caucus, and I have no idea why Hillary does so poorly in caucus states, while Obama does well in those states. I have no idea how Obama could have won the Texas caucus, when he lost the Texas primary. More people voted for Hillary. How did she end up losing the caucus?
And why do caucuses favor Obama?
God America wake Up!! Do we really want to give Michelle Obama a platform as First Lady?
Obama begins with a broad assessment of life in America in 2008, and life is not good: we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents. “We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day,” she said, as heads bobbed in the pews. “Folks are just jammed up, and it’s gotten worse over my lifetime. And, doggone it, I’m young. Forty-four!”
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/03/10/080310fa_fact_collins/?currentPage=1
sandy,
About the caucus, it’s simply a less democratic process than a regular primary. In a caucus, people go at one specific time and divide into groups supporting their candidate. There are lots of opportunities for thuggery and aggressive tactics to be used, and there’s a lots of evidence that the Obama campaign does this. Their caucus organizers have attended a Camp Obama where they learn such tactics.
Hillary’s base, in general, does not caucus well. You have lots of working people who possibly cannot get off to caucus, and lots of older folks as well. A firehouse primary, however, would be okay I think. You just have fewer polling places. I think Hillary would spank him in MI and FL.
mornin all
FOX’s hannity doing BIG story on OBAMA and his links to farrakahn, ayers and also on Wrights ethos. Theyjust trashed michelle, this is getting good, the big report is on Sunday they say.
tide may be turning
FINGERS crossed, toes crossed, eyes crossed, everything crossed
from politicalwire.com
All Eyes on Wyoming
Wyoming Democrats hold caucuses on Saturday. Most of the caucus sites open at 11 am ET, however some may open much later in the day, so don’t expect final results until after 6 pm ET. At stake are 12 pledged delegates.
The Denver Post: “The race is extremely tight. Wyoming is all alone on the weekend Democratic schedule. And though its caucuses will choose only a dozen of the 4,000 Democratic delegates — in a state where the last two Democratic presidential nominees pulled less than 30 percent of the general election vote — Wyoming suddenly finds itself in the national spotlight.”
What Will Happen in Wyoming on Saturday?
By Marie Horrigan, CQ Staff
Wyoming uses a two-tier system for awarding delegates to the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August. On Saturday Wyoming Democrats will undertake the “first determining step” that uses a combined caucus/convention process to allocate pledged delegates.
Each of the state’s 23 counties will hold their convention throughout the day, with the last one scheduled to begin at 4 p.m. MST (6 p.m. EST), where attendees will participate in a “presidential preference vote.”
The cumulative result statewide from each county’s “preference vote” will be used to determine the allocation of seven delegates to the national convention. Candidates have to pass a threshold of 15 percent support, which means candidates who do not win at least 15 percent of the vote will be removed from contention. The seven delegates to the national convention will be allocated based on the percentage of the vote each candidate receives.
Wyoming Democrats also will indirectly select another five delegates on Saturday. County convention attendees will caucus to select delegates to the state convention, which is scheduled for May 24 in Jackson. These state delegates in turn will choose five delegates to the national convention in August.
Wyoming additionally has six so-called superdelegates, who independently decide which candidate they will support. Wyoming has 18 delegates total to the national convention.
Hi All…that story MoonPluto posted from Investor Business Daily blows my mind! Who the hell IS this guy? I have sent it to the campaign with the suggestion it be thoroughly sourced and investigated.
WOW
Work For Hillary! Help with Wyoming!
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/8/02744/52301
@space
that article is form the timesonline, the times is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also own FOX news usa. I ahve wondered for some time why UK papers owned by Murdoch are going after rezko etc, and his US owned FOX ignores it. I smell a rat somewhere. Murdoch is alwasy invovled in politics. He was credited with Tony Blair winning the electin in England. When he won, the Dun (owned by murdoch” the headline said “It Was the Sun What Won it!”
I have said before if people want to get something out and into the news, they should send to UK press and papers, once they publish it then the AP pick it up. This is what happened with the scotsman.
Hope you stayed safe int he storms yesterday
space
Dun=Sun
god my typing is SHIT LMAO
EMVH…yes, thanks, survived the storms but the wind today is FIERCE
as for the story, I read the first link that was from Investors Business Daily.
I sent it to Drudge and will do AP after another cup of coffee
TY INDEPENDENT BEN!!! I APPRECIATE IT
Does anybody know how the Wyoming caucus is looking? Thank God, this is the LAST freaking caucus! I’m hoping that Obama-mania may have died down to the point that Hillary, Bill and Chelsea all visiting there will have some impact. If Hill could actually whip him in this caucus, that would be sweet
space
The British press want rezko and bambi because of the Auchi link. There are some very “strange” things about Auchi indeed. Like, why British MI6 (equivalent of the CIA) stopped him from being extradited to France (I believe it was France). He (Auchi) is the 4th wealthiest man in England I believe. But “some” want him out, hence the press coverage. Another odd thing, Just how DID he manage to get *in* to America for that party at the hotel where Bambi met him? I mean this was under the Bush admin. Did the British help him get in, or did he have connections in the US who turned a blind eye………..the whole thing with bambi, rezko, auchi, et al stinks to high heaven.
EMVH, you might be interested in this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml
Morning all.
Hi IDunn
Well…I suppose it is ok for your advisor to have a different opinion!
campaignspot.nationalreview.com/
BARACK OBAMA
Bad News Comes in Threes, Barack. Okay, Maybe Four.
I guess with Goolsbee on NAFTA, Susan Rice on who’s ready for 3 a.m., and Samantha Power on Iraq (and Hillary being a monster), then we were due to hear from another Obama adviser sooner or later.
Turned out to be very soon.
In a new interview with National Journal magazine, an intelligence adviser to Barack Obama’s presidential campaign broke with his candidate’s position opposing retroactive legal protection for telecommunications companies being sued for cooperating with a dubious U.S. government domestic surveillance program.
“I do believe strongly that [telecoms] should be granted that immunity,” former CIA official John Brennan told National Journal reporter Shane Harris in the interview. “They were told to [cooperate] by the appropriate authorities that were operating in a legal context.”
Last month, Obama voted to strip language in an intelligence bill that would have granted to Verizon, AT&T and other companies the immunity Brennan favored.
When it rains, it pours.
HA!
Same source as above!
Team Clinton: ‘To have two in a row suggests that this is amateur hour in formulating foreign policy.’
The Clinton campaign quickly organized a conference call with surrogates to beat up Obama for his adviser Samantha Power’s comments.
Wes Clark: The comments from Obama adviser Samantha Power are… “quite disturbing… It is going to take real strength of character to execute a pullback from Iraq and protect America’s interests in the region.”
Former State Department spokesman Jamie Rubin: Power is “probably the most influential fo his advisers, probably unlimited access to the candidate… She’s his Svengali, guru, whatever you want to call her… I feel sorry for her I know her she’s done great work on research into genocide. She’s a professor, she’s very passionate… I think her remarks were awful, but I feel sorry for her that she’s been put in a position where he can’t seem to run a foreign policy team the way it’s supposed to be run… In foreign affairs, words matter.”
“To have two in a row [referring to Powers and economics adviser Austan Goolsbee] suggests that this is amateur hour in formulating foreign policy.”
(Random observation from Jim: You realize the two advisers who have gotten Obama in trouble are named “Austan” and “Power”. If there’s another adviser named “Danger” on the campaign, they might as well let him go, too.)
03/07 03:32 PM
SpacegirlArt, so sad that big media did not report Samantha Power on Iraq at all last night.
meiyingsu…FOX did, even ran the BBC tape
Good morning Hillfans. Second post (darn I hate that spam filter!)
Hillary’s Iowa how to caucus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=racTAiemEQU
So…looking at Barack’s “map” again this morning. I’m still seeing drugs. The only thing I can come up with is his connections to Kenya. But I REALLY don’t see how something about that is going to be exposed in the next few days. I’ve tried like hell to see something I might be missing, but I’ll I keep coming back to is drugs and powerful enemies.
I admit…I’m stumped.
Hell, maybe I should just give it up. Afterall, I’m not even sure I have his time of birth right. (sigh)
WOW…..
Talk of Violence At the DNC in Denver This Summer?
I tend to think that the Internet, and the anonymity of e-mail, has made it easier for people to pose as tough guys, to offer a lot of big talk, to metaphorically pound their chest, to attempt to intimidate and make threats they would never dare to speak face to face.
Over at the Huffington Post, one of their contributors is trying to determine how seriously to take threats of violence at the Democratic Convention in Denver this summer. The messages include:
Rick, if the Machine tries to give the Clintons the victory at the convention, I swear to God, [1968] Chicago’s going to look like a Sadie Hawkins dance. People my age are going to be throwing stones. We all have transportation — cell phones — disposable income — the Internet — free time — and Seattle as our example. Part of me is scared of a riot. Part of me isn’t. The nomination belongs to Obama. Do you think we’re going to let the Democratic Leadership Council take it? “God gave Noah the rainbow sign. No more water, fire next time.”
Also:
Not to mention that there’s going to be a significant Iraq veteran contingent at the convention, ready to rock ‘n’ roll. We’ve already had planning meetings about it — we’re going about it the same way that we would plan any decent military operation.
Put it this way: if she goes for the gold in Denver, she’ll have to claim the medal somewhere other than the Pepsi Center.
And:
I can’t emphasize enough how potentially scary things could get — we’ve got folks working on the inside of the convention, and it’s all done on a cell basis, so that folks only know what they need to know.
I’m trying to keep everyone calm, as I just mentioned, but it’s getting harder and harder to do so. The mood’s getting ugly, and if we go to Denver without a nominee, the pressure’s going to be intense from without to nominate Obama. She can win the nomination, but it won’t be a prize worth having.
In the HuffPo comments section, a lot of people denouncing this talk, but also comments like:
“I’d rather have violence in the convention center in Denver — hell, I’d rather have Armageddon — than a bunch of corrupt pols overturning the will of the voters and handing the nomination to a candidate whose comeback has rested solely on negative ads and ugly politicking.”
“Violence is the only refuge against the people who refuse to let go of power.”
“American civic life was founded in violence. Jefferson openly advocated revolution every few generations to ensure that government responsive to the needs of the people. If the Party defies the will of the people, it should reap what it sows.”
This could just be more look-how-tough-I-sound boasting. On the other hand, after yesterday’s Times Square bombing, and the reports that it was tied to rambling anti-war messages sent to members of Congress… maybe threats of violence ought to be taken more seriously.
On a related note, my buddy Cam has some thoughts on Bill Ayers here.
03/07 10:05 AM
IDunn…the DRUGS could be the Colombian FARC connection?
Idunn – that Colombian connection is certainly possible. But what if something should happen and we find out Obama is CURRENTLY using drugs? . . . who knows?
Colombian FARC connection
What’s that?
curosityhasme: your several good posts on the Texas caucuses underscore the evils of the caucus system and are the Achilles Heel of the Obama candidacy if the thug tactics are widely exposed. Would it serve any useful purpose for you and anyone else with first hand knowledge to forward these vignettes to FOX?
The reason I suggest them and Bill O’Reilly in particular is because they are aware of the business strategy of their competitiors MSNBC and to a lesser extent CNN to put Barry in the White House and thereby enjoy the same access and influence which FOX currently has with the Bush Administration and would adversely affect ratings.
I mean, I know about Columbian drug cartels and what not. But what is Farc?
space
Now im angry, this is personal, who is that wanker in Washington!! Now Im gonna have to calm down and write that eejit a LONG letter!! Typical shit they must have a Bambi supporter in Washington and that British newspaper is VERY anti Irish catholic, so no surprise there.. The Washington guy should know better and it is he whom I shall write to!! Aside from I believe John F Kennedy NO OTHER PRESIDENT EVER CAME TO THE NORTH OF IRELAND TO HELP US……….those are the facts. This is why I get so angry about these lies.
On a personal note, For years when our people were being burnt out of their homes on a daily basis (this continues even now but about once a month only!) ,people were petrol bombed and shot, children murdered, Children set on fire, people beaten,,,when civil rights lawyers who were brave enough to take our cases like Pat Finucane, or Rosemary Nelson, were murdered in their homes and cars for representing us, with absolutely no one even being held accountable for or even arrested for these horrible crimes!!!! Who was the ONLY one there for us from the outside who could effectively put pressure on both the England and Ireland governments to create the means for a successful peace process?
BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON that’s who!!
Where was the “Uniter” bambi then???? Having parties with Rezko and Auchi that’s where!!
So, when a FIRST LADY of the most powerful country in the world travels here MANY TIMES both with and without her husband, and again when she becomes a us senator in her own right, well that speaks volumes! Also, the proof is that only late last year when Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness traveled to the USA, who did they meet with? Bambi??? Nope, it was BUSH and HILLARY, now why would that be:-)
They can try to spin this all they want, but WE know who came here and WHO delivered for us!! And I have much personal knowledge of what went on. I also have plenty of news article from the BBC a more un-biased source and of course all the tiny newspapers here in Ireland, but they don’t have online archives, we are tiny and a bit backwards still here LOLOL
If anyone wants the articles I have on Hillarys visits here and other places in Europe from the late 1990 let me know I’ll send them. I know that from Ireland she went to North Africa, the Balkans and a few other places.
Sorry for the long vent, just really makes me angry when the press tries to make light of this, it is insulting to those who died AND to those who are alive now because of the HARD work the Clintons, together and apart, have done here.
FARC
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Armed_Forces_of_Colombia
Okay, I googled. FARC is like some geurilla group in Columbia or something? (I feel ignorant here)
What does that have to do with Obama?
spaceartgirl,
By the time of the convention, I feel sure that Hillary will be ahead in the overall popular vote, and will have significantly cut down on his “much blabbed about” lead in pledged delegates. I’m sure this will take some of the steam out of the BHO folks.
What’s amazing to me is this attitude that Hillary has thrown the “kitchen sink” at him, and that’s why she won OH and TX. LOL. Those people need to grow up. NAFTA-gate and Rezko are messes of Obama’s own making
Thanks Spacegirl…reading your link now.
Ugh…too much reading there. But I get the gist about FARC.
But again, what does that have to do with Obama? Am I missing something?
EMVH…i knoew you would be pretty pissed abbout that article. I would suggest you write an editorial. Also, package up your stuff on HHillary and SEND IT TO THE CAMPAIGN. The bambi attacks are starting to come fast and furious on her Foreign Policy experience, and I am afraid many staffers don’t know the in’s and outs of reality. Send them to the PRESS OFFICE through her site.
I have FARC links up at RW. Click my name. Go to today’s HotList.
IDunn…scroll up to a post by MoonPluto at 3:57 (?) am to see the connection
B MERRY! MAN OH MAN this stuff is getting deep. I sent that “threats” post to FBI and reminded them that Doug Wilder and Al Sharpton have now publicly threatened violence and protests.
I think we are seeing a coup in the making.
space
I will do that right now
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
not calmed down yet LOL
irish temper and all:)
Thanks Merry…I’ll get more coffee and go read.
One myth I’d love to see settled is the one that the Clinton campaign for some reason circulated that stupid picture of Obama in a turban. On the day that hit, she was trying to get some positive press coverage of her speech on foreign policy, where she would announce endorsement by a few more admirals and generals. Why on earth would the Clinton campaign want to see the goofy picture story knock her speech off the headlines? When the Obama campaign issued a huge complaint about that picture, it explains why Maggie Williams said, “we will not be distracted.”
Yes, Spacegirl, these punks actually think that taking over the DNC convention in Denver via anarchy to crown their king is how democracy works.
You need to send that info to both the national Dept of Homeland Security as well as to Colorado State’s office. Each state has their own dept.
Spread to media contacts and the Denver Post and Rocky Mtn Post.
Jaysus, David Trimble was the Ulster Unionist leader#
of COURSE he hated the clintons, because the unionists had ALL the power then!! didnt want to share it with catholics. Clintons pressuer made it happen!!
you know how it goes
when you are the lead dog the view is always the same, and they wanted to keep it that way
Spacegirl says: Former State Department spokesman Jamie Rubin: Power is “probably the most influential fo his advisers, probably unlimited access to the candidate… She’s his Svengali, guru, whatever you want to call her
I say: from her lips to God’s ear. If she was the most influential of his advisors as Rubin contends then we can infer that her shares her views in whole or in part. Her anti Israel position is noteworthy in this respect.
His association with Dr. Z is notworthy as well. Z has expressed anti Israeli positions too. As with anyone else a candidate is known by the company he keeps, regardless of what he may say to minimize it.
Once again Barack, actions speak louder than words.
And Good Morning to you B Merryfield!
I know I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: Your work on
rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
is positively brilliant! That site has become a nugget of pure gold. It’s my sincere belief that without you and Big Pink a lot of tremendously important bits and pieces of information would have been squandered and never brought to daylight.
On a completely different note, Krugman’s latest column on “it’s the economy, stupid” is very readworthy y’all. Says Krugman:
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Why has Mr. Obama stumbled when it comes to economic issues? Well, on health care — which is closely tied to overall concerns about financial security — there is a clear, substantive difference between the candidates, with the Clinton plan being significantly stronger.
More broadly, I suspect that the Obama mystique — his carefully created image as a transformational, even transcendent figure — has created a backlash among those unconvinced that he’s interested in the nuts-and-bolts work of fixing things. Ohio voters were more likely to say that Mr. Obama inspires them — but more likely to say that Mrs. Clinton has a clear plan for the country’s problems.
And Mr. Obama’s attempt to win over workers by portraying himself as a fierce critic of Nafta looked, and was, deeply insincere — an appearance particularly costly for a candidate who tries to seem above politics as usual.
Thanks to Tuesday’s results, the nomination fight will go on to Pennsylvania in April, and probably beyond — and rightly so. It’s now clear that Mrs. Clinton, like Mr. Obama, has strong grass-roots support that cannot be simply brushed aside without alienating voters that the party will badly need in November. So the Democratic National Committee had better get moving on plans to do Michigan and Florida over, to give the eventual nominee the legitimacy he or she needs.
And, as the Democrats ponder their choices, they might want to consider which candidate can most convincingly ask: “Are you better off now than you were eight years ago?”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html
“Obama’s campaign has not commented on the allusions to a relationship between the Democratic presidential candidate and the Chavez-backed, drug lords of FARC.”
WHY THE HELL NOT???
From thee WorldNet Daily link on B MErry’s site
Yeah, already read that Krugman article. It’s a good one.
I actually hope there are some kind of do-overs in MI and FL, as long as they’re not straight caucuses. It will guarantee that Hillary will have the popular vote lead. After wins in Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida, going into the convention – how can those idiots deny her the nomination?
Obama gets a little taste of what it’s like to go toe-to-toe with the Rethug Slime Machine. Obviously Obama is clueless as how to defend himself, calling on McCain to take action instead of taking the commenter to task himself:
ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNm4SMXcUGBoGLsr1C_q-1y61oWgD8V90JF80
Okay…I sort of “get it” now. Thanks for all your hard work, B Merry.
My personal view about the FARC/Obama connection is…so? Those “gringo’s” could be anyone, right? Could be my neighbor Louie. And there’s no real way to find out exactly WHO they are, is there?
I dunno. I need to just stop focusing. It is what it is.
wbboei/B Merry….
this IS a coup, in one sense or another. B Merry, I will take your advice. I also sent it to my BFF and asked what SHE thought about it, and demanded she trot out Obama to condemn this behavior.
LMAO! Spacegirl…be sure to let us know what your BFF says.
RE: Kenyan garb…
I tracked it back to the link at the top of the page here called BANNIE, but now my computer is blocked from access, as it is a spy site. But the implication of where it came from to Drudge is clear.
sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip
IDunn…her silence will say boatloads.
Dear “” there is more and more talk like this on the internet. Coupled with comments by Al Sharpton and Doug Wilder, is this where we are going in this? What are your feeling about this? It’s just not on this post. It’s everywhere. We know the Obama supporters have a HUGE network to organize. I certainly hope Senator Obama will come out with a public statement to condemn this growing trend.
I hope your day is swell. This is just scary stuff.
This is going to sound completely ignorant, I know , but what is th date of the Denver Convention? Please tell me it’s not around June 26??
Oh….whew. August 25.
Idunn…June 26 could be a revote in either FL or Mich or both…why?
They are talking about “june”
I say, bring on the revotes – maybe these firehouse primaries. Kicking his butt in MI and
Nevermind Spacegirl. I was just wondering.
… oops. Kicking his butt in MI and FL would be a great way to head into the convention
I need to get out of the house and go troll some antiques shops. Get my damned head back on terra firma.
When it goes to FORIEGN POLICY Obama and his supporters keep on giving.
How many International incidents Obama has had already…..and he’s not even the Democrat party nominee?
@space
this toby harnden is a british reporter in washington. But read this other article he wrote about Obama Actually winning on 4th March!! also he writes as if he was in thehillary press, traveling with htem, she should make sure this guy is NOT with her people!! he’s a troll
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/tobyharnden/mar08/barackobamawonmarch4.htm
Idunn
Oh I love doing that, antique shops and car boot sales but we only have them in summer months sadly. Hope you have some GOOD finds:):)
B Merry
ontapblog.com/2008/03/06/who-is-bill-ayers/#more-523
This may already be here but I am putting it up………..
Levin says do-over unlikely for Dems
Obama said to oppose plan
Michigan Democratic Party Chairman Mark Brewer said Friday that the Obama campaign opposes a do-over election scenario preferred by Gov. Jennifer Granholm.
Another possibility raised by Brewer: Seek a compromise between the Clinton and Obama camps that would apportion delegates based on the Jan. 15 results. Clinton won 55 percent of that vote and “uncommitted” won 40 percent. Obama supporters are believed to have cast most of the “uncommitted” votes……..
If the Jan. 15 results were recognized, Clinton would win 73 delegates and 55 would go to Denver Aug. 25-28 as “uncommitted.” Some have suggested awarding the 55 to Obama.
A poll of 575 likely Michigan Democratic voters published Friday by Rasmussen Reports put the Clinton-Obama race in a dead heat, at 41 percent each. The survey was conducted Thursday.
Full Read here……….
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080308/POLITICS01/803080369/1409
30yrdem | 03.08.2008 – 09:40 am | #
How many International incidents Obama has had already
Oh lessee:
1). Gonna bomb “Pockiston”
2). Inserting himself into Kenya violence and being called a “stooge”
3). Uproar in Canada, possible firings in the Canadian PM’s cabinet as a result.
4). Somali tribal elders threatening to kick out Americans if we don’t apologize for the Toilet Papered Bambi pics.
Have I missed anything?
EMVH, that looks like pretty desperate Obama spin. The claims of a win in Texas, as far as delegates, only highlights how skewed the results of a caucus are versus a primary, where all people actually vote.
Hope you have some GOOD finds
I mostly just go to look, since we’re Simple Livers and don’t believe in having excess “stuff”. But I am looking to find a glass butter churner with wooden paddles.
Idunn, you’ve got those statements by his foreign policy advisor, Samantha Powers, sort of backing away from Obama’s pledge to have all troops out within 16 months.
True Ben, but that hasn’t caused an international incident. Not yet anyway.
B MErry, if you are here you have mail
experience-matters-vote-hillary It would do my Heart good if you would also send this to Sens. Ted Kennedy and remind them how their support of Obambi what kind of message the convey.
I have been very surprised how quiet the Irish and Irish Americans have been quiet about Sen Kennedy backstabbing the Clintons knowing how hard the Clintons worked at helping to end the conflict in Ireland.
My grammar sucks…I just woke up and is ROTFL at how Obambi’s campaign is starting to implode!
Well, I will fall on the floor laughing if Hillary can win this caucus in WY, or come really close. What I’m hearing right now – it’s pretty close.
Demographics-wise, Wyoming has lots of cowboys and working folks, and their income is below the national level. I think they would respond to Hillary’s message on the economy. Plus, as shown on Taylor Marsh’s site, Obama has flip-flopped on guns, so who knows what his position is?
I’d love to see the Obama thugs try and intimidate some of these WY cowboys at a caucus.
Wouldn’t any rioters at the convention be in big trouble with the 80 million Secret Service agents who’ll undoubtably be swarming the place? Good luck with that, yo.
That one mentioned Seattle. 5thats what I’m scared of – the anti-Clintons going all WTO. I lived theough that and it wasn’t pretty.
Morning all.
health problems and anemia prevents me from participating as much as I’d like, but for those who brought up the BO turban photo,
here’s the letter I sent to a dozen media types with PROOF that the picture has been in the public domain for 2 years.
I am appalled by the unsubstantiated reports in newspapers and on TV news shows about the Clinton campaign somehow being responsible for ‘leaking’ the photo of Mr. Obama in traditional Somali dress to the American Media as a means of ‘smearing’ him..
The picture, originally published in Geeskaafrica on September 1, 2006, after Mr. Obama’s Kenya visit, has been distributed worldwide. The Obama campaign is aware of this as Mr. Axelrod has been filming all of Mr. Obama’s events for the past four years in preparation for his presidential bid. The caption beneath the original photo in Geeskaafrica is:
“U.S. Senator Barack Obama, right, is dressed as a Somali Elder by Sheikh Mahmed Hassan, left, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya, near the borders with Somalia and Ethiopia. The area is at the epicenter of a severe drought that has hit the Horn of Africa region, after erratic and insufficient rains during the April-June season.”
.geeskaafrika.com/ethiopia_31aug06.htm
In addition, the photo was featured in the tabloid the National Examiner on February 4, 2008, and has also been extensively referenced and discussed on a number of blogs and chat rooms.
sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip
Anyone could have found out the real story by performing a couple of google searches, like I did today. If an untrained unprofessional layperson like me can quickly determine the authenticity of a story, why can’t career journalists get to the truth of the matter? What happened to the journalistic creed of objectivity? How is the practice of reporting unsourced, unvetted stories allowed to continue?
I can only hope you will see fit to point out these conspicuous discrepancies between what was reported in the news and the truth.
basil9, good letter. I agree with all of that. Plus, there was simply no benefit the Clinton campaign could have gotten by circulating that on the day of a big foreign policy speech by Hillary. As it went down, the stupid picture story become the top story of the day.
Welp folks…off to shower and head out into the rain.
Have a good day.
Obambi is trying to disenfranchise Michigan, I suspect Florida is next…
Michigan ‘firehouse primary’ nixed by Obama camp
by Mark Silva
As Michigan searches for a way to validate its delegates to the Democratic National Convention, the state party reports that Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign has nixed the idea of a new “firehouse primary.”
The Detroit Free Press reports today that Obama’s campaign told the state’s top party official that they wouldn’t accept Gov. Jennifer Granholm’s idea of a party-sponsored primary.
The Obama campaign maintains that it “played by the rules” in not campaigning in Michigan and Florida when the Democratic National Committee decided that the two states’ delegates to the summer nominating convention would not count because the states held January primary elections in violation of party rules.
Have fun IDunn@!
Independent Ben, but nobody tell voters in Wyoming that BHO flip flop on gun.
kaffeen,
As Admin has stated, Obama is arguing against his own candidacy with that. The Democratic Party “cannot” simply kick these two states to the curb going into the Fall election.
Ind Ben
yes this is a clear obama supporter among the hillary press. Look Ive had years of dealing with british press, they are a group among themselves and always ALWAYS have an agenda. This particular paper has a history of being anti irish and pro unionist, that is why the bulk of that article is quote from David Trimble, who, I might add, lost his power in a must spactacular way ROFLMAO he would not do the deal, it took the most pro britih political group, the DUP to finally do the deal with us here. Trimble is an old bitter bastard who should have never got the peace prize because he never carried thought it was a waste. I notice they did not have ANY comments from Gerry Adams or anyone from sinn fein, only sdlp and UUP commetns inculded. So that speaks volumes because it was Adams and Clinton who realy worked the peace process, trimble tried to kill it!! im working on this now to get a comment form others on this shite
1. Idunn Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Hope you have some GOOD finds
I mostly just go to look, since we’re Simple Livers and don’t believe in having excess “stuff”. But I am looking to find a glass butter churner with wooden paddles.
>>>>>>>>>>>..
god how i miss doing that!!! good luck:)
1. carbynew Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 9:57 am
experience-matters-vote-hillary It would do my Heart good if you would also send this to Sens. Ted Kennedy and remind them how their support of Obambi what kind of message the convey.
I have been very surprised how quiet the Irish and Irish Americans have been quiet about Sen Kennedy backstabbing the Clintons knowing how hard the Clintons worked at helping to end the conflict in Ireland.
>>>>>>>>>>>..
fat arse Kennedy is a piece of shit. he is brutal and wil do whatever is best for his career. That can actualy be a good thing, if the tide turns on Bambi, he wil be the first to crucify him!!
carby
im working on getting something said about this crap that was written, may take few days cos it’s weekend
meiyingsu,
Are you sure? Hopefully this info has gotten to WY in some fashion.
Independent Ben….agreed. It is sad. What is even more “corrupt” to me is that the Florida Republicans are the ones who created the scenario where Florida primaries would not count. Now, in addition to a candidate (Obambi) that wants to keep the status quo (disenfranchisement), and a DNC party that is willing to kick every voter in Michigan and Florida to the curb (at the detriment of their own party in November), we have the Republicans in Florida basking in glee at the fact they have manipulated Florida in such a way to have a huge impact on the democratic election process.
Independent Ben, sure. that is why he keep winning western red states.
meiyingsu,
Well in a lot of those western Red states, Hillary didn’t even contest them, which was a financial decision we’ve found out now.
rigso Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 2:53 am
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About Bill Maher, don’t worry we had our last laugh with him and his crowd on SNL and that is bigger and better.
BTW, I have written and spoken with many DNC party officials. I *still* have not gotten an answer to the following…
1) Why is the DNC disenfranchising the Florida original vote?
When they say because Florida moved up the Primaries (and some other lies about how Florida didn’t know about the move in time…which is patently false) ask…
2) Is Mr. Dean and the DNC aware that Florida is controlled by a Republican legislature?
3) Is Mr. Dean and the DNC aware that Republicans wanted to move the Primaries?
4) Is Mr. Dean and the DNC aware that Republicans made the bill that moved the primary up also include the “Paper trail for electronic votes in all future elections”.
5) Is Mr. Dean and the DNC aware that Florida could not vote no for moving the primaries and yes to a paper trail (to prevent the chad fiasco)? That in fact, these were intertwined in the same bill with emphasis on a paper trail?
6) Is Mr. Dean and the DNC aware that Florida democrats tried to amend the bill and remove the language about the primary, but was defeated by the Republican controlled legislature?
kaffeen,
If do-overs are scheduled and Bambi has a chance to campaign, how could he then claim it wasn’t fair? And it would certainly be in the best interests of the Party going forward.
If he’s the all-powerful, inevitable nominee he claims to be, he’s going to have to sooner or later show that he can beat Hillary in a large state, where a large, diverse group of Democratic voters make their voices heard at the polls.
All,
The editorial from the Chicago Tribune cited above should be sent to the news and editorial editors at all the local media outlets in all the upcoming states. Anyone have a list?
BHO, in his stump speech, is saying something like this:
“I can’t make all of these changes all by myself. That’s why I need your help.”
What does that mean to you? I think it says a lot.
Okay. About the suggestion of giving all the “uncommitted” delegates to Obama…NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anything he might be entitled to half of those uncommitted delegates but there is no way his camp can prove that Edwards didn’t receive some of those.
And here’s a thought. What happens if Obama gets more delegates by convention time but Hillary gets more of the popular vote? Will certain people who have stated that they will march if the opposite happens do the same for Hillary in that case?
WY: Hillary won’t win but by competing, hopefully she won’t be blown out of the water and can keep the spread to under 15pts.
MS: She will lose this state based on the majority of the registered dems or half of them being AA. The thing to watch is how Whites, male and seniors vote.
MI &FL: I’m convinced that something will be done. It is suicide for the DNC not to come up with a plan for the delegates to count before the convention. I believe that FL is on it’s way to doing a vote my mail. This seems to be the cheapest way and it will still be a primary. I’m in FL and I will work my butt off for HIll.
MI is still up in the air. The one thing that I do know, the more than Bambi resists, the more undemocratic he looks and if they eventually do something, Hillary has great talking points.
I expect her to rewin in FL due to large amounts of sneiors, Latinos and women.
Ann…PA papers link
newslink.org/panews.html
Sherm, I agree
GREAT ARTICLE ABOUT THE BIASES IN THE DELEGATE SELECTION SYSTEM THAT FAVOR OBAMA
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/02/whats_so_bad_about_the_super_d_1.html
RealClearPolitics HorseRaceBlog
By Jay Cost
February 29, 2008
What’s So Bad about the Super Delegates?
Last week I wrote an essay in praise of the Democratic super delegates. I argued that in comparison to the Republicans – they offer real advantages. They serve as a kind of “majority maker” for the party. When a candidate has not won a 3/5ths majority of pledged delegates, the super delegates break the “tie.” The Republicans have a “majority maker” solution, too: most states free their pledged delegates after a few ballots. The Democrats’ solution is better. Super delegates are free to negotiate whenever they like; they have an interest in finding a candidate who is best for the party; and they have the capacity to engage in the difficult process of negotiation.
However, there are problems with the super delegates. Democrats clearly sense this – perhaps this is driving their desire to wrap the primary up. From a certain perspective, this is a strange preference. Isn’t this robust contest helping the party think about its future? Isn’t it helping the candidates sharpen their skills? And yet, neutral Democrats would probably be glad to see the race end on Tuesday. From another perspective, this is a highly reasonable thing to desire. While the Democratic process is preferable to the Republican one, it is still inefficient. Democrats have reasons to doubt they can trust the super delegates to do a good job concluding the contest.
Tib, where are you in FL?
Independent Ben,
He can’t legitimately claim fairness in this, and yes, it would be in the best interest of the democratic party to have these voters have their voices heard. They are going to be counting on these votes in November, however, these votes are quickly evaporating due to the ignorant and imperialistic attitude of the DNC, Obama, and party officials. It *will* bit them in the arse.
As for the last part of your statement, I think you hit the nail on the head. He feels very strongly that he (Obambi) can’t win Michigan or Florida. Obambi is going to spin this in such a way to prevent those voters from voting in a primary (if he can prevent it).
TIB
A reply from my friend Alan who won his delegate spot the other day.
PLEASE REGISTER HERE and send the links to friends in FL who support Hillary:
I won! Not it will be interesting to see what the means if we hold another election
It there is another primary we will gear up quickly. http://Www.FloridaforHillary.com will be a place that any and everything to do with Florida will be posted. The reason it is a waist land right now is there are no facts concerning Florida just a lot of gossip and rumors. There are discussions going on but nothing has been decided. I would guess we have a better shot at holding a mail in primary. But that is just my opinion. We have a strategic meeting scheduled for next Wednesday. I think we will have more information by then.
Once it is all flushed out we will send out the information to everyone that has registered on floridaforhillary.com and tampaforhillary.com
Jan, I fully expect that Hillary will be ahead in the popular vote by the convention. WY is his last caucus, and MS is his last southern state with a huge AA population. Hillary will spank in PA, I have no doubt, and she will win KY, WV, IN, and possibly NC. Bill Clinton carried NC (my home state) back in 1992, and Hillary can do well here, especially in the western part of the state.
If MI and FL can somehow come up with decent do-over plans, that will add to Hillary’s popular vote and momentum. If Obambi refuses to play in these do-overs and let these voters be heard, it will be suicide for the party to cram these guy down our throats. He’s already a flawed candidate.
Independent Ben,
Exactly!
I’llbe back…have to make a run to the store
Hillary to make peace address
[Published: Thursday 15, June 2006 - 03:03]
By Ashleigh Wallace
FIRST Lady Hillary Clinton is to give a peace speech to a packed Opera House on Wednesday.
FIRST Lady Hillary Clinton is to give a peace speech to a packed Opera House on Wednesday.
Hosted by the Northern Ireland Voluntary Trust, Senator Clinton will give the keynote address at the ‘Women Raising Their Voices for the New Northern Ireland’ conference.
Wednesday’s event coincides with the Trust’s 21st anniversary. Mrs Clinton will also be announcing details of the first recipients of the Trust’s Social Justice Fund, established with the help of Senator George Mitchell.
NIVT director Avila Kilmurray commented: “Hillary Clinton joins us at a time of some uncertainty in the peace process and following a number of recent murders.
“All of us want to look forward to Christmas with renewed hope and do not wish to be dragged back to the dark days of extreme inter-community violence and murder.
“I hope Hillary will use her speech to remind us all of how far we have travelled, what we have gained from the peace process so far, and what we can gain in the future if we build on that peace.”
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belfasttelegraph.co.uk/imported/article1042228.ece
© Belfast Telegraph
Why is Michelle Obambi getting away with dissing America all the time? Is this patriotic? Is this what we want from a potential first lady?
WHY IS
HILLARY NOT INCLUDING THIS VISIT TO PAKISTAN
IN HER TALK ABOUT EXPERIENCE
THIS IS SOMETHING TO BRAG ABOUT, BAMBI HASN OT DONE ANYTING LIKE THIS:
Senator Clinton praises Pakistan’s fight against terror
[Published: Sunday 14, January 2007 - 18:28]
US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton met with the Pakistani president today,
shortly after she arrived for a brief visit.
The meeting took place after Clinton – a Democrat from New York who is
considering running for president – arrived at the Lahore international airport
from Afghanistan.
The two discussed a range of issues, including the situation in Afghanistan
and the Middle East, an official said.
Musharraf informed Clinton about the steps his government had taken to
curb militancy and secure the Pakistani border with Afghanistan to check
militants’ activities, the official said.
The official said Clinton praised Pakistan’s role in the fight against
terrorism.
——————————————————————————–belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/world/middle-east/article2152881.ece
© Belfast Telegraph
Thanks for all the praise. It’s appreciated.
Just have to share before I return to trolling the Rightie blogs and websites. Isn’t it sad that we real Dems have to rely on them to do due dilligence by investigating and posting about BO?
It’s sad, sad, sad (and that goes for you, too, Ben … you poor excuse for a journalist).
Where was that horse race analysis that showed the Democrats are risking Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc. by nominated Bambi. This is obvious. Hillary’s economic message appeals to the blue collar works and union households in MI, PA, OH, and Bambi will lose these voters in a matchup with McCain. His inability to connect with latinos, older voters and Jewish voters absolutely kills him in FL. We can’t afford this man!
This election is too important!
and once again the BO team is stealing the WORDS.
Remove the troops as
’safely and responsibly” are the words Hillary has been using all the time since the first debate. Now those words are stolen again!
From the beginning, it was only Biden and Hillary who were acting responsibily. All the others were hacks – from Dudd, Kuch, Rich, Ed and Stinky!
I always knew this to some extent, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that Obama, his wife, and his team are amateurs and lack professional political experience (even more so than I originally thought). They happen to be surrounded by a few people who are savvy and experienced and this, combined with their “message”, has allowed them to hide this fact to a great extent and campaign within a “bubble” of hopium. But isn’t this becoming increasingly obvious that these people *are just not ready* to handle managing the most powerful nation in the world in the most extreme environments ever known? I mean, do away with our Hillary bias, do away with our own political ideas, isn’t this obvious outside of these things? This is really really scary.
B Merryfield,
You mean Ben Smith, right?
Per Jake Tapper, Dashcle is now asking for Wolfson’s resignation….how repugnant this weasel is.
kaffeen,
What we’re seeing is the Axelrod script that Bambi is using isn’t designed to last as long as this campaign – and deal with all the different situations coming up. Instead of being knocked off message – it’s more like Bambi and his team have been knocked “off script.” I really think Obama-mania is over. I don’t think he’s going to be able to generate the excitement that he did at Iowa. By convention time, I feel like all he will have is some hardcore supporters in the Dean/Kennedy/Kerry wing of the party, and african-americans. But the rank and file african-american voters aren’t stupid. It’s in their self-interest to support Hillary and I think she can get them back.
57% Say Candidate With Most Votes Should Get Nomination
Saturday, March 08, 2008
In the craziness of the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, it is possible that one candidate might finish the Primary Season with the most pledged delegates while another could end up with the most popular votes. If that happens, 57% of voters nationwide believe the nomination should go to the candidate with the most votes overall. A Rasmussen Reports telephone survey found that just 26% disagree and say the nomination should go to the candidate with the most pledged delegates.
rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/57_say_candidate_with_most_votes_should_get_nomination
An interesting analysis at the Orange Sulphur blog. The appeal of Obama is the appeal of laziness:
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The Obama supporters love him because he is promises them that they won’t have to work. He’ll use his charisma to do it for them. They don’t need to look closely at his razor-thin record or lack of past political achievements. His arrogant claims of superior judgement absolves them of that. Why spend the several weeks necessary to carefully read all of his policy positions and compare them with Hillary’s? He simply steals his policy postions from John Edwards and Hillary Clinton anyway. Obama doesn’t need to actually know what the hell the job entails, he’ll just use his vast god-like powers of judgement to appoint people to do that thinking for him. The incredibly stupid statement by his foreign policy adviser Samantha Powers showed just how smart that may be. Barack Obama gives his supporters hope that they can just sit back and bitch and complain as usual while not having to actually do some bleeding for what they say they want.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/8/10912/53838/778/472137
Independent Ben,
That makes sense. I do agree the “mania” has subsided. Historically, America has a short attention span and his “message” is becoming increasingly tired, worn, and frayed at the ends. When you hear about his Iraq speech for the millionth time, it just doesn’t really have the same impact. Combine that with a healthy amount of suspicion (due to his operatives, aides, and campaign denying his intent to other countries) and, well, the longer this goes on I think it benefits Hill. It is a little funny in some ways. Hillary was wanting the *original* Super Tuesday to be the “knockout punch”, and Obama was wanting the second Super Tuesday and those “red” states in between. Neither worked out. It is a “reset” in the truest sense. I will give the advantage to Hill’s team in this respect.
TheRealist,
TheRealist,
That is encouraging. As is, with Michigan and Florida, Hillary has the popular vote now. This will only increase as the larger and more densely populated states vote. If a redo is done, this will further increase her advantage (for those that do not currently allow Michigan/Florida votes).
This will be really interesting. When Gore won the popular vote, but lost the electoral votes, all democrats felt it was “stolen” from them. Let’s see how they would feel this time around.
“The Obama supporters love him because he is promises them that they won’t have to work.”
I agree with this. This is why he gets the well-off, “latte” vote. He implies wondrous things will happen as if by magic, and no one will have to pay for them.
Indie Ben, Kaffeen – to your discussion: nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07brooks.html?em&ex=1205125200&en=0cd11ff0bdb74c39&ei=5087%0A
Playing by Clinton Rules
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: March 7, 2008
Barack Obama had a theory. It was that the voters are tired of the partisan paralysis of the past 20 years. The theory was that if Obama could inspire a grass-roots movement with a new kind of leadership, he could ride it to the White House and end gridlock in Washington.
Obama has built his entire campaign on this theory. He’s run against negativity and cheap-shot campaigning. He’s claimed that there’s an “awakening” in this country — people “hungry for a different kind of politics.”
This message has made him the front-runner. It has brought millions of new voters into politics. It has given him grounds to fend off attacks. In debate after debate, he has accused Hillary Clinton and others of practicing the old kind of politics. When he was under assault in South Carolina, he rose above the barrage and made the Clintons look sleazy.
Yet at different times during this election, he’s been told to get off the white horse and start fighting. In the current issue of Time magazine, Michael Duffy and Nancy Gibbs report on a meeting that took place in Chicago last Labor Day. All of Obama’s experienced advisers told him: “You gotta get down, get dirty, get tough.”
Obama refused. He argued that if he did that, the entire basis for his campaign would evaporate. “If I gotta kneecap her,” he said, “I’m not gonna go there.”
Now, the Obama campaign is facing another test. There are a few ways to interpret the losses in Texas and Ohio. One is demographic. He didn’t carry the groups he often has trouble with — white women, Latinos, the less educated. The other is tactical. Clinton attacked him, and the attacks worked.
The consultants, needless to say, gravitate toward the tactical interpretation. And once again the cry has gone up for Obama to get tough. This advice gets wrapped in metaphors. Obama has to start “throwing punches” or “taking the gloves off.”
Beneath the euphemisms, what the advice really means is that Obama has to start accusing Clinton of things.
This time, Obama, whose competitive juices are flowing, has apparently accepted the advice. The Obama campaign is now making a big issue of Hillary Clinton’s tax returns and dropping hints about donations to President Clinton’s library and her secret White House papers. It’s willing to launch an ethics assault. “If Senator Clinton wants to take the debate to various places, we’ll join that debate,” the Obama strategist David Axelrod told reporters the other day.
These attacks are supposed to show that Obama can’t be pushed around. But, of course, what it really suggests is that Obama’s big theory is bankrupt. You can’t really win with the new style of politics. Sooner or later, you have to play by the conventional rules.
The Obama people seem to have persuaded themselves they can go on the attack, but in the right way. They can be tough and keep their virginity, too. But there are more than five long months between now and the convention.
Unless they consciously reject conventional politics, the accusations will build on each other. The BlackBerries will buzz. The passions will rise. The Obama forces will see hints of Clinton corruption all around, and they’ll accuse and accuse again. The war will begin to take control, and once you’re halfway through you can’t suddenly surrender because it’s become too rough.
And the Clinton people will draw them every step of the way. Clinton can’t compete on personality, but a knife fight is her only real hope of victory. She has nothing to lose because she never promised to purify America. Her campaign doesn’t depend on the enthusiasm of upper-middle-class goo-goos. On Thursday, a Clinton aide likened Obama to Ken Starr just to badger them on.
As the trench warfare stretches on through the spring, the excitement of Obama-mania will seem like a distant, childish mirage. People will wonder if Obama ever believed any of that stuff himself. And even if he goes on to win the nomination, he won’t represent anything new. He’ll just be a one-term senator running for president.
In short, a candidate should never betray the core theory of his campaign, or head down a road that leads to that betrayal. Barack Obama doesn’t have an impressive record of experience or a unique policy profile. New politics is all he’s got. He loses that, and he loses everything. Every day that he looks conventional is a bad day for him.
Besides, the real softness of the campaign is not that Obama is a wimp. It’s that he has never explained how this new politics would actually produce bread-and-butter benefits to people in places like Youngstown and Altoona.
If he can’t explain that, he’s going to lose at some point anyway.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/marxist-terrorists-say-obama-will-help-them
I still say Brazile is at the heart of the Florida/Michigan disenfranchisement.
here is her report about the decision
Why We Stood Up to Florida
By Donna Brazile
Saturday, September 1, 2007; Page A25
Last Saturday, the Democratic National Committee’s rules and bylaws committee voted to enforce its rules. It was hardly an extraordinary act, although you wouldn’t know it from the furious reaction that ensued in some quarters.
Why the uproar?
It’s simple: state envy. Just look at what one governor said recently regarding her state moving its primary forward in 2008. “Holding an early presidential preference election attracts more presidential candidates, staff and media to Arizona,” said Gov. Janet Napolitano, “increasing Arizona’s sales tax revenues and promoting Arizona’s hotels, restaurants and businesses.” At least she was honest.
As a member of the DNC’s rules and bylaws committee, I understand why states such as Arizona, Michigan, Ohio and Wyoming, and even the District of Columbia, crave the media attention and financial resources that holding an early presidential contest draws. But the nominating system should not be determined by a state’s economic development plan or a desire to have candidates focus on parochial issues.
Our nominating process is supposed to yield the best possible candidates for the most powerful position in the world. Unfortunately for all of us, it is a deeply flawed system in desperate need of reform. Recent proposals to create a regional rotation system in 2012, or the “Delaware Plan” to allow smaller states to go first, should be on the table for discussion starting this fall.
Once upon a time, presidential candidates and campaigns could rely on a nominating system that was easy to understand. Though envious of the role that Iowa and New Hampshire played in winnowing the field, most states abided by the calendar set by national party rules and waited their turn. But while the rules afforded clarity, they lacked inclusiveness. Everyone knew that when showtime started, only a few voters would be allowed on stage. And those folks, while deeply knowledgeable and passionate about their responsibility, just didn’t represent the diversity of our party and our country.
The DNC tried to address this problem by letting two states join Iowa and New Hampshire in the coveted “pre-window” period before Feb. 5. States were invited to apply, and 12 of them, plus the District of Columbia, did so. The process was fair and democratic. Florida, which had a chance to become “first in the South,” did not apply. Now it is asking for another chance.
In the end, the DNC chose Nevada and South Carolina to bring further regional, racial and economic diversity to the “pre-window” primary period. Florida’s plan to move its primary forward represented a unilateral move that would completely disrupt the system on which everyone had agreed. The rules and bylaws committee had no choice but to enforce the rules. Our recommendation is not the end of the line for Florida. Indeed, the state has 30 days to bring its plan into compliance.
Despite claims to the contrary, the DNC is on firm legal ground. The question was settled by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1981, when it ruled that the national parties, not the states, determine the rules governing their respective presidential nominating processes. Failure to apply the rules would have been an affront to the states that adhered to them — and an invitation for more states to break them. Even after our firm action, the Michigan House went ahead and approved a measure this week to move the state’s primary up to Jan. 15, and Gov. Jennifer Granholm (a Democrat) said she will sign it. Wyoming is still making noises about moving its date to Jan. 5.
Starting in January and perhaps ending on Tuesday, Feb. 5, 2008, tens of millions of Americans in as many as 24 states will go to the polls. Candidates are raising record sums of money, and outside organizations are likely to spend even more to influence the process. We’ve never had a presidential campaign season like the one we’re watching. It’s time for both parties to take steps to reform the process.
As we begin to contemplate the calendar for 2012, and the rules that will govern that process, both major parties must craft a system that makes sense for voters and candidates. We can begin by setting a reasonable starting date — I suggest the time when the snow gives way to tulips and daffodils. We can make sure the nominating schedule does not unfairly favor the rock stars of politics. And we must make sure the campaign finance laws allow more than just the candidates with deep pockets and ties to big donors to be competitive.
Perhaps by 2012 both major parties will commit to reforming the nominating process to give as many people as much of a voice as possible. We’re long overdue for a rational system to elect a president of the United States.
The writer, who managed Al Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign, is a member of the rules and bylaws committee of the Democratic National Committee.
Yes, Indy Ben, I meant that other Ben, the one who’s the sorry excuse for an internet reporter.
kaffeen,
As for the mania, I could really see it dying down in Ohio and Texas. It almost seemed like Bambi thought he had Texas wrapped up, so he quit doing Yes We Can and all that. Hehe.
What we need to do is fight this spin – from the Obama camp – that Hillary is trying to divide and destroy the Democratic party. I mean, seriously. I wish more people would wake up and realize that “core” Democrats are making their voices heard at the polls. And I wish that more people would realize that Bill and Hillary Clinton never played the “race card” in South Carolina. Would it be in her interest to drive african-american voters away and anger half the party? Certainly not. All one has to do is examine the facts of what happened to see that the Obama campaign clearly used race, and with the media’s help, were able to blame it on Hillary. I will never forget the day, close to the SC primary, when Russert had Bambi on Meet The Press. Russert had a copy of the talking points put out by the Obama campaign in SC, which was clearly designed to fan the flames of the race card – using everything from Bill’s “fairy tale” comment to Hillary’s comment about LBJ and MLK. He asked Bambi about it – holding up the document. Bambi just mumbled, “well we can’t control what our surrogates say.” Surrogates?! This was his CAMPAIGN in South Carolina, and I was stunned when Russert just let it drop after his “surrogate” explanation.
yes, No Bread and No Butter…
NOBAMA’s hopium won’t help me at all.
If I wanna get high I’ll smoke some weed.
Brooks quotes BO: “If I gotta kneecap her,” he said, “I’m not gonna go there.”
This from the candidate that let his surrogates accuse the Clintons of racism.
I’m sorry — this story about BO not being negative, and having to go negative now — just won’t wash.
I also was at a causus in Houston as an observer but also helping the precinct captain.. It was loud and I was having a go at some of the “loud” BO folks. Some of his folks were fine – they were clearly upset as well by the process. The clinton pct. captain was good but very low keyed. I had to shout and make Hillary’s people stand up and I persuaded enough to stay until the delegate selection was complete – it was almost midnight. They had been there since 6.45pm. The temporary chair was over-whelmed – also a Hill supporter. BO’s captain just took over!
At one point one of BO’s people left the room with a sign in sheet and I called our legal. The BO person made an excuse saying that they has gone to call an ambulance since someone had fainted. I still could not see what the sign-in sheet had to do with someone fainting. I argued with her like hell!
In fact I called Hill’s legal people 3 times – with 1 thing or another. I was glad for their advice.
Look at all this fainting thing. BO is bad for your help – with his message and movement!
a lot of hill’s people left before signing in as well as some of BO’s. His folks also turned up later and started saying they were being denied their vote.
all i could tell hill’s people who were leaving is that they need to wirite to the Texas de, party saying theyir process was faulty and not fair, And thier were deied their full voting rights as they has children to put to bed or got ot works.
BUT A FEW OF THE bo’S PEOPLE’S WERE THERE ALL THE TIME. MAINLY AA’S – SAY IT WHAT YOU LIE – THEY WERE COMMITTED.
WE HILLARY SUPPORTERS HAVE BEEN TOO NICE AND SOFT AND DIPLOMATIC IN THE CAUSUS PROCESS.
Some of BO”S supporters scream and shove and push… quite frightening. For the first time in my life I was yelling back and giving as good I got. They play deliberate delaying tactics so that Hill’s people leave before signing in. Mostly BO’s loud supporters were AA women!
Anyway at the end of the process – we got 13 (40%) delegates, BO got 19 (56%) and 1 (4%) was uncommited. The 4% uncommited was mainly people who did not put down the name of the candidate – they just assumed being in 1 line for thier candidate was enough to say what candoidate they were supporting.
One ironic thing was that 1 voter put “Osama” for “obama” in their “candidate preference” column but the “bean counters” counted this vote for BO!!!
And it took over an hour to count those people in the sheets… and then 2 people from each verifying the numbers.
I tell you – this wa sthe most undemocratic process I have seen in any country. And I can say since I was born in a 3rd world country! I call is Howard Dean’s National Circus!
Look at all this fainting thing. BO is bad for your HEALTH – with his message and movement!!!!
nice article, Dot48 – the rightwingers keep digging all this stuff up while the mainstream media snoozes – leave it to judicialwatch.
What a pattern for Obama – he has domestic and international terrorists supporting him, Louis Farrakhan.
Independent Ben – what I heard in Texas was that the Farrakhan stuff from the debate did really scare some of the ppl in TX.
HI MP! Nice to meet you in Houston. We will definitely have to trade Houston caucus stories. I wrote mine at
lninla Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 12:29 am
lninla,
That article paints a pretty bleak picture. I don’t see how the Clinton campaign has “attacked” him that much. NAFTA-gate and Rezko were messes of his own making – and they are relevant to this campaign. So sure, the Clinton campaign is going to point this stuff out.
As far as the Kenneth Starr remark, I haven’t heard one media outlet get the story right so far – that a memo from the Obama campaign threatened to bring out Whitewater, travelgate, etc. What’s the matter with these journalists? I can get online and within one hour, see everything that each campaign released during the day.
Seek a compromise between the Clinton and Obama camps that would apportion delegates based on the Jan. 15 results. Clinton won 55 percent of that vote and “uncommitted” won 40 percent. Obama supporters are believed to have cast most of the “uncommitted” votes……..
It would be more accurate to use the exit polls from the MI primary, which listed all the names, including Obama and Edwards, and asked voters how they would have voted. Iirc Hillary’s percent was about the same as in the actual primary, and Obama and Edwards were about even with each other, iirc. So they could give Obama all his plus half of Edwards’.
WHAT ON EARTH is the “MAIN STREAM” media doing?
That no one has compiled a LIST of the connections Obama has to TERRORISTS, real ones, like Bill Ayers…
the PROBABLE ties to Acuhi
The REAL ties to Rezko
Farrakhan
Wright
and now potentially to FARC?
WTF?
WHY is it in the interest of the PRESS to ignore this stuff?
SpacegirlArt,
Because . . . it’s unfortunate but the mainstream media all work for giant corporations – GE anybody? And they are terrified of a Hillary Clinton Presidency, which might actually make some CHANGES in this country; they might actually lose some of their tax breaks.
But that Barack Obama could get this far in a presidential race is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American public. That is for sure.
space .. Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, BillO .. they will come closer than anyone else.
Sorry Indie Ben – no journalists check their sources or their accuracy anymore…unless SNL does another skit about inaccuracy of the media, I’m sure they’ll just continue in that pattern.
– the last three pararaphs of Brooks’ article was meant to address what you and Kaffeen were discussing – the bursting of the Obamamania bubble and the setting in of the reality – a one term senator running for Pres.
SpacegirlArt Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 9:32 am
RE: Kenyan garb…
I tracked it back to the link at the top of the page here called BANNIE, but now my computer is blocked from access, as it is a spy site. But the implication of where it came from to Drudge is clear.
sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip
————————————————
Sorry if I’m repeating things, and maybe I’m not up to date … but the original picture has been at a legit African site for a year or so. Early Feb a US paper tabloid printed it. Some RW forums talked about it, iirc they found the African original and copied or linked it, and one of the posters said “Now who is going to send this to Drudge?” One MSM blog journalist said he’d been getting the picture in email for a while but not from Clinton people. No one else reported getting it from Clinton people. Even Drudge didn’t claim the Clinton staffers were ‘circulating’ it to media, or that they had sent it to him; he said he had ‘obtained’ a copy. The NYT said there was no evidence of Drudge’s claim about ‘Clinton staffers.’
I’m a bit cynical today, but seems to me, the only time the MSM picks up any news story if it it’s on Drudgereport for an average of 3-5 hours as a headline.
Obama is selling a lot of tent revival enthusiasm. Pass out the Dr. Feelgood message, get a potful of money, promise a much of stuff and the fainting begins. When people get home from the tent revival and reexamine the preacher .. well, it ain’t what it seemed.
Fads pass. Dupers get done in. Just watch.
re:WY: from campaign:
Because Wyoming is so large and sparsely populated, phones will be the best way to get people out to caucus, and there’s no one who can excite and educate our supporters better than our best Activate callers.
Wyoming is a state where, if everyone does their part, we can literally engage every single one of our supporters and make sure they vote. Given that only about 60,000 voters in Wyoming are registered Democrats, the turnout at the caucuses is expected to be very low. Wyoming is a state where literally every single vote will count.
Because so many of the caucuses close at 10 AM Mountain time, it is very important to call early in the day. We are not legally allowed to call before 9 AM Mountain time, so that one hour stretch (starting at 11 AM Eastern, 10 AM Central and 8 Am Pacific) will be our most crucial of the day. We are asking that everyone call for at least 2 hours over the course of the day (please call for longer if you can), but the early hours, and particularly the first hour of calling, are the times when your help is needed most.
Hi Ininla:
nice meeting you too in Houston.
I am thinking of going to PA. I am still in TX – Dallas until tomorrow visting friends but when I get home to san/Mateo-CA, I will start planning for PA.
lninla,
Yep I agree about the bursting of that bubble. What was it my good friend Pat Buchanan said? Something like, if Hillary wins Ohio and Texas we will see the air go out of the Obama souffle. Hehe. I love Pat Buchanan lately.
Please note THE ISSUE about that “kenyan garb”:
The key thing that the outfit BO wore was a regional dress, not the NATIONAL dress for Kenya.
It is one thing to wear a nation’s dress as a visitor but to “support” or “appease” a certain region while visiting a foreign country as a senator shows LACK OF JUDGMENT on foreign policy. I understand that not even the US ambassdor to Kenya who accompanied BO to this region knew about this dress thing. It speaks volumes of what BO would do – appease certain groups in other countries.
Ah, CNN is going to do stories today on Obama’s state legislature record, and on his U.S. Senate record.
I hope they at least get it right about his state senate career – that his benefactor Emil Jones just slapped Obama’s name on every piece of legislation during his last year, to pad his resume to run for the U.S. Senate.
And the touching story of how Obama won his first political office – by challenging signatures and getting everyone else’s name off the ballot so he could run opposed.
1950 Dem,
You’re right.
See 10:09 for my letter about this. I sent it everywhere but it diesn’t seem to have helped. Many of the news shows are still repeating the lie that the HRC campaign circulated it.
CNn,
hey All – if anyone’s interested in phone banking to WY today, let me know… I have an appt in an hour and half and have to leave, but let me know babyellen2008@gmail. I have script and the 877 number, so it’s free – and yes, it’s relevant to today’s caucus, “Hillary is counting on you to show up
and be counted at the Caucus today.”
Basil, that is why I posted what I had found. I KNOW it was in public domain, in the paper (tabloid) and just “appeared” on Drudge with supposed attribution to Clintoon.
Glenn Beck kept saying the Clinton Campaign released the picture as last as last Wednesday or so…so it is this BS that the Press does.
They are as corrupt in this country as in Russia
lninla says,
As far as the Kenneth Starr remark, I haven’t heard one media outlet get the story right so far – that a memo from the Obama campaign threatened to bring out Whitewater, travelgate, etc. What’s the matter with these journalists? I can get online and within one hour, see everything that each campaign released during the day.
I agree but I have been waiting for two days on Howard wolfson to come out and say some thing about that. Some times it is really very frustrating.
Lunchtime for me.
I’m really hoping that Hillary can at least come close in this WY caucus today.
Ininla…just be sure who you are sending it to…
and I think it is too late? no?
10am cut off was what I had in an email from HQ
sorry, my mistake
“Because so many of the caucuses close at 10 AM Mountain time, it is very important to call early in the day. We are not legally allowed to call before 9 AM Mountain time, so that one hour stretch (starting at 11 AM Eastern, 10 AM Central and 8 Am Pacific) will be our most crucial of the day. We are asking that everyone call for at least 2 hours over the course of the day (please call for longer if you can), but the early hours, and particularly the first hour of calling, are the times when your help is needed most. “
Ben…did CNNN give times for coverage on Obama history?
hey spacegirlart – i’ll email you offline.
HA!
Tim Russert, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd, Chris Chalizza (sp)
“putting the election in perspective” on MSNBC
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!
OK, Ininla, but i have the script
HUGE turnout in Wyoming
SpacegirlArt, actually, so far, it has been a fairly objective round table (Russert show). It may turn ugly and probably will with Tim Russert at the helm, but so far so good…
Per Activate Email…
Because of the huge outpouring of help from our callers last night and this morning, we have called through every supporter we can in Wyoming.
Thank you!
We have done our part there to ensure Hillary has a strong showing in Wyoming and, as the majority of caucus sites are now either closed or about to close, it’s time for us to move on to Mississippi.
Mississippi votes on Tuesday. As the only other contest between now and Pennsylvania, it’s a place where we have a great opportunity to keep out momentum going, and with less than 48 hours until the Primary there we need your help talking to voters.
kaff…that is god to know. I will leave it to yu to report, but I still have nightmares of the opening shot of Russert at the last debate!
Ininla….just got this from HQ
“Hi,
Because of the huge outpouring of help from our callers last night and this morning, we have called through every supporter we can in Wyoming.
Thank you!
We have done our part there to ensure Hillary has a strong showing in Wyoming and, as the majority of caucus sites are now either closed or about to close, it’s time for us to move on to Mississippi.
alright, thanks Kaffeen for settling that re: WY – I was confused because the script was resent to me this morning by a friend.
Kaff….LOL
SpacegirlArt, huge turnout may favor BHO.
God, the wind here is FIERCE today…40mph long gusts! I am freezing in my apt, but it is beautiful outside. I have to go paint soon, but wil call later today.
meiyingso…could well be, as history has shown, but i had some good results in calls last evening
meiyingsu – well, some of the caucus locations are at senior citizen homes in WY, so that’s a good thing for Clinton, hopefully – I think the turnout will be helpful to Clinton too:
Albany County
9:00 AM
(registration begins at 8 AM)
Laramie Plains Civic Center
710 Garfield, Laramie
Big Horn County
2:00 PM
Basin Chamber of Commerce
407 W. C St., Basin
Campbell County
10:00 AM to 4:00 PM
(lunch break at 12:30 PM)
Campbell County Public Library,
meeting room
2101 S. 4J Road, Gillette
Carbon County
10:00 AM to 2:00 PM
Union-Pacific train depot
Corner of 4th and Front streets,
Rawlins
Converse County
10:00 AM
Douglas Senior Center
340 1st St. West, Douglas
Crook County
10:00 AM
Crook County Courthouse
Jury Room
Sundance
Fremont County
9:00 AM to 1:00 PM
Lander Valley High School main
lobby
1005 W. Main St., Lander
Goshen County
9:00 AM to 12:00 Noon
Pinnacle Bank, Wyoming Room
(downstairs)
2000 Main St., Torrington
Hot Springs County
9:30 AM to 12:00 Noon
Hot Springs County Museum
700 Broadway, Thermopolis
Johnson County
2:00 PM
Buffalo Senior Center
671 W. Fetterman St., Buffalo
Laramie County
9:00 AM
(registration begins at 8:00 AM)
Cheyenne Civic Center
510 W. 20th St., Cheyenne
Lincoln County
11:00 AM
Lincoln County Courthouse
925 Sage Ave., Kemmerer
Natrona County
9:00 AM
(registration begins at 7:30 a.m.)
Holiday Inn on the River
300 West F Street, Casper
Niobrara County
9:30 AM
Home of Everett and Fredda Lou
Kilmer
207 W. 4th St., Lusk
Park County
10:00 AM
Park County Complex
(old Marathon building)
1501 Stampede Ave., Cody
Platte County
10:00 AM
First State Bank conference
center (by Safeway)
1405 16th St., Wheatland
Sheridan County
2:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Sheridan Senior Center
211 Smith St., Sheridan
Sublette County
9:00 AM
Sublette County Library
155 S. Tyler Ave., Pinedale
Sweetwater County
10:00 AM
(registration begins at 9:00 AM)
Green River High School
auditorium
1615 Hitching Post Drive,
Green River
Teton County
4:00 PM
Snow King Resort, Grand Teton
Room
400 E. Snow King Ave., Jackson
Uinta County
10:00 AM
Elks Lodge
268 Duncomb Hollow Drive.
Evanston
Washakie County
10:00 AM
American Legion Hall
119 S. 7th St., Worland
Weston County
2:00 PM
Newcastle Senior Center
627 Pine St., Newcastle
What a hideous Headline….
but what should we expect from Novak?
Why Clinton Isn’t Dead
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By Robert D. Novak
Thursday, March 6, 2008; Page A21
The scope of Hillary Clinton’s latest resurrection can be appreciated only in light of the elaborate preparations that had been made for her expeditious burial. That she is very much alive can be attributed to her true grit but also to the revelation that Barack Obama is not a miraculously perfect candidate after all.
Assuming that Clinton would at best eke out a victory in Ohio on Tuesday to end her long losing streak, prominent Democrats were organizing a major private intervention. A posse of party leaders would plead with her to end her campaign and recognize Obama as the Democratic standard-bearer. To buttress this argument, several elite unelected superdelegates (including previous Clinton supporters) were ready to come out for Obama. Those plans went on hold Tuesday night.
Clinton’s transformation of the political climate with her decisive victory in Ohio and unexpected narrow win in Texas coincided with Obama facing adversity for the first time in his magical candidacy, and he did not handle it well. The result is not only the prospect of seven weeks of fierce campaigning by the two candidates, stretching out to the next primary showdown April 22 in Pennsylvania, but also perhaps what Democratic leaders feared but never really thought possible until now: a contested national convention in Denver the last week of August.
By chance, this critical week for Obama began Monday with jury selection in the Chicago corruption trial of his former friend and fundraiser Tony Rezko. For the first time, the story of this political fixer’s connections with the Democratic Party’s golden boy spread beyond the Chicago media. In a contentious news conference, Obama was uncommunicative. He ended the session by walking out and announcing that eight questions were enough.
Less obvious than his Rezko performance but more disturbing to insiders was Obama’s handling of the North American Free Trade Agreement.
With NAFTA having become an expletive in economically depressed northern Ohio, the two Democratic candidates competed with each other in pandering — denouncing the trade agreement that was a jewel in President Bill Clinton’s crown. The trouble began when Canadian television reported that Obama economic adviser Austan Goolsbee had visited Canada’s consulate in Chicago to reassure officials there.
Old Democratic hands cringed when both Clinton and Obama in their Cleveland debate last month blithely advocated the (dangerous) renegotiation of NAFTA. They were really disturbed by what happened next. Obama denied the Goolsbee mission, then had to back down after a Canadian diplomat’s memo confirmed the visit. A longtime Democratic political operative, not aligned with either Obama or Clinton, told me that this was a serious misstep in what he had considered a flawless performance by a political neophyte.
This week, Obama lent credence to longtime claims by the Clinton camp that the young challenger would melt under Republican heat. Now he must face weeks of struggle against a revitalized Clinton, and there’s no sign when it will end.
A month ago, before the Obama boom really began, his number-crunchers plotted a probable outcome wherein Clinton would win both Ohio and Texas on March 4 and still fall short of a delegate majority at the convention. To avoid carnage in Denver, Democrats have been telling me for weeks that a majority of delegates would somehow align themselves behind whichever candidate has the momentum.
But who has the momentum? Clinton will claim it, particularly if she wins in Pennsylvania, which would give her every major state except Illinois. But Obama will point to his advantage in the number of states and delegates won. A showdown in Denver may be unavoidable.
Such a showdown would reveal the consequences of eight years of Democratic procedural decisions that made no sense save for the premise that Hillary Clinton, as she expected, would be handed the nomination on Super Tuesday. That the convention will be held unusually late raises the prospect of not knowing the identity of the Democratic nominee until shortly before Labor Day. The decision to deprive Michigan and Florida of delegates because their primaries were scheduled too early cannot stand in a contested convention. That Hillary Clinton’s candidacy still lives forces Democrats to cope with their mistakes.
© 2008 Creators Syndicate Inc.
Spacegirl, all,
For everyone’s amusement, here is a link to the Society of Journalists Code of Ethics.
I wonder if any of the TV and newspaper reporters ever bothered to read them.
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
LOL
CNN “Obama OFFENDED by GOP Attack”
basil9 Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 11:22 am
I still say Brazile is at the heart of the Florida/Michigan disenfranchisement.
here is her report about the decision
Why We Stood Up to Florida
By Donna Brazile
Saturday, September 1, 2007; Page A25
And Brazile goes on and on bashing Florida without ever mentioning that their date was set by the Florida GOP legislators over the protests of the FL Dems! She decided to punish FL Dems for something the FL GOP did! And the punishment is unrealistic and unenforceable, and sure to cause a big fight at the convention. — When is BRAZILE up for re-election?
Anyone know where Hillary is today?
No one who has followed this website for any period of time will fall for the big media narrative de jour that Barry is now at a crossroads and must decide whether to go negative and risk corrupting his brand.
Enough of this phony to be or not to be Hamlett shit. The truth is Barry crossed the rubicon long ago. He has been attacking Hillary and playing the race card through surrogates. The real question is whether he will finally step out of the shadows where he has been hiding.
Brooks says this could destroy his brand. That is not what troubles him. The real concern he is deliberating on is the very real possiblility that if he moves front and center he will get his ass whooped by our girl. He has a hard enough time keeping up with that Blame America First wife of his, who is as nothing compared to Hillary.
Brooks makes another point which to me at least is far more telling. Barry’s larger problem is he cannot articulate a close causal connection between hopium on the one hand and food on the table on the other. Maxine Waters summed this up brilliantly: our people have plenty of hope–what they need is help.
If you think about this in terms of the union movement there is the great divide between aspirational unionism of Debbs and the bread and butter unionism of Gompers you realize the difficulty he is facing. Put differently, east is east and west is west and ner the twain shall meet–babeeeee.
Brazile is an “At large” delegate and according to her own words to me, is not even paid by the DNC:
“Guess what? I do not work for the DNC. Please call them at (202) 863-8000
and find out what is going on. I work four jobs — yep. Four jobs and not
paid by the Democrats. “
1950,
In regards to the Florida GOP, as I’ve posted many times, they did make the primary move up. The democrats actually tried to stop it, however, Florida is run by republican legislature 2-1.
I have contacted the New York Times and other national newspapers in regards to this. I don’t see this reported anywhere. In addition, I have contacted the DNC and Howard Dean’s office many times to get a “response” to these facts. I have not heard from the DNC, but I suspect the story about Florida GOP manipulation is going to come out soon in the national news papers and then that will filter into the MSM.
I think Hillary is home today. Obama in Chicago.
Wbboei….you are just so damn brilliant
Hillary must be ahead in the popular vote, or approaching it. Obama is now saying that the “will of the people” means “number of states won and delegates pledged.” Not a word about actual votes.
A while back Moveon.org was promoting a pledge for SDs to follow the popular vote. My blood pressure wonders what they’re saying now.
1950,
In regards to Moveon….do you have to ask? lol
Fox has 9% of Wyoming Caucus in
Obambi 59% (58 votes)
Hillary 38% (37 votes)
We really need to keep this to a 55/45 split.
We REALLY need to be blogging support into PA gang. I have done some, but we also have to make sure it is not overkill and Hillary fatigue
Kaff…CNN was interviewing Caucus folks and there are so many in line, it could go til as late as 10pm local
SpacegirlArt,
I reallly hope (ugh, I’m beginning to really hate that word these days), that Hill has buses for the seniors in Wyoming and Miss. That could provide a real firewall. Get the buses out and bus them in.
Economics and Natl Security Issues will be strong in PA…the general’s support, her Econimic plan and NCLB…all of these “bread and butter” things
Okay Russert is going negative to close his show. Click.
I just don’t know Kaff, but as Ininla pointed out, many WY caucus sites are in retirement homes. Maybe this wll help.
I have to get some work done! My dog hates me already for ignoring her and I need to take her out into the wind storm.
If I don’t end up in Oz, I’ll be back in a while
Fox reporting Wyoming…
13% in…
Obambi 51% (154 votes)
Hillary 48% (145 votes)
This is *really* good news.!
Russert is a tool
agreed.
yes
I had a “premonition” this morning, based on my calls, that Hil would win there. I don’t know, but i got all three wins the other night right in my gut two or more days before
bill live in MS cnn.com stream
meiy…thanks
SpacegirlArt Says: – We REALLY need to be blogging support into PA gang. I have done some, but we also have to make sure it is not overkill and Hillary fatigue
Overkill fatigue could become a problem at some point. Imo early in the process we need to get out counters to BO’s attacks so they don’t become ‘conventional wisdom’. I don’t know where in the process we are now.
Also it seems like defense posts wouldn’t be fatiguing if they’re replies to Obamabot posts; many people would get tired of reading the bots and drop the thread before they got to ours.
Where is a list of PA blogs and other places we should be commenting?
What was that new site about rapid responders or something?
17% of Wyoming vote in, it’s 50-46 Bambi. GO HILLARY!
Fox reporting…
Obambi 50% Hillary 46% (17% reporting)
I’m not going to get “hopeful” here….but wow, that would be a wonderful thing to pull of the Wyoming upset. I’m still thinking a 55/45 split would be great.
If they held a primary in Wyoming, Hillary would win it
anyone got the OFFICIAL denial of the Canadian Government handy that Clinton Campaign DID NOT contact Canada re NAFTA
spacegirl: check facts on Hillary’s website. I think, it is referenced. I was reading it this a.m.
I read in the morning that some moderate republicans in Wyoming cross-over register as democrat to caucus for hillary.
Space, here it is
canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gNMJKvj5eQRQBNSeQj3bTyETSagQ
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
26% reporting
Obama 57
Clinton 41
bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=adaqn.kTawmY&refer=canada
I wonder if fathead Keith Olberman will acknowledge the story now from the Canadian Prime Minister. When some report brought Hillary back into NAFTA-gate, he led his goofy show with it – and was immensely enjoying it. The bastard. I’d love to meet him in person and punch his fat face.
I don’t think Hill will win the Wyoming Caucus, but wouldn’t it be great to watch Howard Dean and Donna Brazille’s heads explode with a Wyoming win. That would be priceless.
I found it gang, thanks. I had to counter ObamaConfusion on WaPo Post…
also, Rezko IS getting out there in Blogs
Spacegirl, What’s the GOP “attack”that has Obama offended, lol?
I forget where he was, but some Congressman said the “Terrorists wil be dancing in the streets” if Obama is elected
Obambi camp issued a statement, calling on McCain to “repudiate” the remark…congressman has “stood by his statement”
I’ll be back
The population centers Hillary visited yesterday have not yet reported. And she tied or beat Obama in three counties.
SpacegirlArt
That congressman is right they will be dancing in the streets.
senior centers have not opened either.
rjk1957 Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
SpacegirlArt
That congressman is right they will be dancing in the streets.
rjk1957 and SpacegielArt, I think the congressman is right too.
The areas of the state Bill visited have not yet reported.
What did the congressman say? Sorry if I’m out of the loop …
Bill is great on cnn.com live
Hillary winning Wyoming would be huge. It would be equivalent to BHO winning a big state. I hope that she pulls through.
# SpacegirlArt Says:
March 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
anyone got the OFFICIAL denial of the Canadian Government handy that Clinton Campaign DID NOT contact Canada re NAFTA
—————-
it is on http://www.taylor.marsh (Obama owns NAFTAgate)
I’m watching, too, birdgal. I love the Big Dog!
How do you guys know what areas have/haven’t reported in WY? I just saw results on yahoo and there was no breakdown.
wyoming democratic caucus
30% reporting
Obama 58
Clinton 40
the areas of the state bill and hillary visited have not yet reported.
People were turned away, because they arrived late, due to the huge turnout and parking issues. Yep, caucuses are disenfranchising and do indicated a true vote. What a sham.
correction: “do not indicate a true vote.”
well birdgal – let’s just hope the late-comers are the Obama college students who partied too late last night, because I imagine those who are more prepped to be up early and plan for parking issues are a bit more mature.
30% reporting…..
You can watch Wyoming come in, county by county, here:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#WY
People were turned away, because they arrived late, due to the huge turnout and parking issues.
this is very disturbing…and turned away by WHOM?
Cheyenne, Laramie and Casper have yet to report
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
35% reporting
Obama 56
Clinton 42
Another county just came in for Hillary, making it 56-42%
thepage.time.com/2008/03/08/clinton-camp-keeps-going-after-obama-on-iraq/
Clinton Camp Keeps Going After Obama on Iraq
Saturday, March 8th, 2008
Sends out Saturday MEMO that continues to keep up the pressure following
former adviser Samantha Power’s comments on the issue to BBC.
Characterizes him as “telling voters one thing while his campaign says those words
should not to be mistaken for serious action.” Read it here.
The representatives for the Democratic party. they were following the rules. One woman who was turned away was 71 years old.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308/ap_on_el_pr/wyoming_caucuses
Perhaps Hillary should return to Mississippi tomorrow and Monday.
Party officials were struggling with how to handle the overflow crowds. The start of the Converse County caucus was delayed due to long lines.
In Cheyenne, scores of late arrivers were turned away when party officials stopped allowing people to get in line at 11 a.m. EST. A party worker stood at the end of the line with a sign reading, “End of the line. Caucus rules require the voter registration process to be closed at this time.”
Vera Double, 71, said she arrived late because she had a hard time finding parking.
“I’m so proud to see there are this many Democrats showing up in Cheyenne, but I’m very disappointed in the rules because we had difficulty parking and we had a long walk and they closed it off at 9 (a.m. MST),” she said. “I consider it — we’re disenfranchised, which they’ve done in other parts of the country.”
State party spokesman Bill Luckett said they were obligated to follow its rules as well as those of the Democratic National Committee regarding caucus procedures.
“Everybody knew the registration began over an hour before the caucus was called to order. We’ve done everything we could to accommodate people in the long lines,” Luckett said.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308/ap_on_el_pr/wyoming_caucuses
In Texas, they kept letting people in. This process is not democratic, under any definition of the word. It is a farce.
@space
@B Merry
pls check email, thanks
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
39% reporting
Obama 56
Clinton 42
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
43% reporting
Obama 66
Clinton 33
damn
Ouch, Laramie just came in heavily for Bambi. Thank GOD this is the last caucus!!!
birdgal people who have attended caucuses and have complaints need
to make it known to media and the DNC. They need to be loud and numerous. That is the only way to get changes
They need to scream that they are Not democratic
God I loathe the caca caucuses
I believe Laramie is where university of Wyoming located.
Laney: I hope they start screaming.
just remember, she did not expect to do well here ..
Well, they haven’t called it yet and Cheyenne and Casper still haven’t come in.
did obama deliver a speech in laramie?
dot: well, it still hurts.
pulchritude, yes, there was about 8000 people there last night.
University of Wyoming is in Laramie
birdgal, I understand. Seriously though, I didn’t feel good after one day of caucus persuasion LOL. I am cowgirl born and bred and I figure I”d fit right in with them…hang up, hang up, hang up. I didn’t make it past one day ..
These results demonstrate nothing but the continuing presence of Republicans voting in mischievous, cross-over fashion.
Well, another red state caucus – WY will never vote Democratic. Now watch the media try to spin this as huge momentum for BHO
What does it take to get the people out there and caucus! I really would like to know the demographics of these caucuses. It is just beyond me why we are having this every time! sorry not to be negative.
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
48% reporting
Obama 61
Clinton 38
Well, there is a problem in MS too, with an interview that Hillary gave in Iowa back in October. She was surprised that Iowa was with MS in having never elected a woman governor. People in MS took it as an insult, and some 527 for Obama has been running an ad about it down there.
dot: have you tried calling MS? What has been the response? Do you think, it would be okay to call on Sunday? MS is such a conservative state.
winhillary, BHO is just well organized in these red state caucus states. Organization is what the caucuses are all about. He’s hired republican pros to organize them too.
No calling for me on Sunday, I devote it to church activity. Haven’t called to MS, may do so on Monday though.
Yep. Today simply highlights exactly what a weak nominee Obama would be. He is a novelty candidate, who has figured out how to “game the system” by racking up wins in red-state caucuses. It’s a sneaky way to win lots of pledged delegates, but it doesn’t demonstrate an ability to win in November.
well BHO knows that he cann’t win big state. His strategy from the beginning is to recruite GOP haters to win red states.
I’m pretty convinced that by the convention, BO’s only talking point for the nomination will be his lead in pledged delegates. I’m quite sure by then that Hillary will have the overall popular vote. We already know that she leads among Democrats.
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
52% reporting
Obama 61
Clinton 38
61
38
Remember some late start times for some of the caucus though. Hillary supporters still can get out and stand firm.
Were kinda catching up.
58-41.
58-41 with 56% of vote in now
I wish Pa was sooner.
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
57% reporting
Obama 58
Clinton 41
Casper came in and was a dead heat – 50-49%
Cheyenne still left to go. I believe it’s the biggest.
I just want Hilary to get around 46% an split the delegates 6-6 10 counties left to report. A few have not started yet
Sigh…so far most of BHO’s big lead is Albany County, where Laramie and U. of Wyoming are.
the main thing with Pa…we need to be sure she has plenty of $ to compete. Wednesday is our money bomb days from here on out but if you can spare any money through the week .. donate.
rjk: split in delegates is the important part.
According to the CNN Wyoming page, Laramie’s not listed as coming in. ???
I can’t believe how many Obamabots are spinning that “Obama won Texas.” LOL. I wouldn’t say that if I were them. It just refinforces how skewed caucus results are – considering it took place right after a huge primary that Hillary won.
dot48: I have legally maxed out.
Just saw James Carville on CNN, making a feisty demand that Clinton and Obama split the tab for do-overs in Florida and Michigan. Then, CNN played a clip of Howard Dean, sounding ridiculous, and shrugging, “well, those states are going to have to figure out how to pay for [do-overs].”
An outright win would be nice, but unlikely. An even split Hillary can take a page from Obama, when he says he won she can say some win we split the delegates 50-50
The split in Casper bodes well for Hillary in Cheyenne.
Obamabots think he’s the second coming as well…don’t make it true LOL
Paula, it shows it on the Map part, big time for BHO 74-25%
Paula: refresh. Laramie has come in, Cheyenne has not.
independent Ben: Hillary won the popular vote in Texas. Only 41% of the caucus results are in for texas. it is a bit too soon, to claim a victory. the obamabots are delusional.
Is Cheyenne for Hillary?
birdgal, yes I’m aware. The Obamabots are just projecting the delegate count out, based on what they have right now.
AmericanGal – sure hope so. It is the the most populous county in WY. Must be the reason they haven’t called it for BHO
Have I said: I HATE CAUCUSES!
The delegates in Wyoming will split 7 for Obama and 5 for Hillary. Obama will have to win by more than 28 points to get a 8-4 split.
This is an irrelevant contest.
I think paula was refering to Laramie county where Cheyenne is located. Laramie the city is in Albany county
question. If there is a redo for florida and texas and they split the delegates could that lean for obama to win the nomination?
Well, let’s say that we get to the convention and nothing is done about MI and FL. The overall popular vote will be a big deal at this point. Shouldn’t MI and FL count for that? I mean, lots of voters pulled the lever for Hillary Clinton and they didn’t exactly have a gun at their head.
tps..you sure?
The appeal of Obama is the appeal of laziness:
only partly true, over at great orange satan they do have to work very, very hard to resolve obama’s record and campaign with their exalted image of him.
yeah but all the ones that didn’t vote, Obamamaniacs will cry out hey i didnt go and vote I should be counted and then there will be this huge uproar!
dot48, I am quite sure. see the link below.
http://www.mydd.com/
Carville was brilliant and made a fool of Obama’s handy man Wilhelm (sp?). However, Obama will never split the tab. Obama knows he’s going to lose both Florida and Michigan and he knows he’ll be toast if these two biggies vote and reject him so late in the primary season. So he is going to do everything he can to disfranchise them. For all practical purposes, Obama is turning into GWB.
That is of course if the delegates are seated. It would be fair to have a recount I guess but again would that give the count to obama because of the split and that he is ahead?
another_reader
Bill is real trooper. He’s stumping in MS; Hillary is taking a day off.
Go Big Dawg…
I hope she smokes his ass in penn, we will be pleased!
DemAC,
Obama wants to simply run out the clock – and he’s torpedoing himself in the Fall if he continues to support disenfranchising the voters of MI and FL. But even without MI and FL, I think Hillary can take him in the overall popular vote – and if we can really smack him in PA, it will be yet further evidence of his General Election weaknesses.
If something is not done about MI and FL, I can see many voters being angry that they were disenfranchised from the process. Obama will be toast in the GE.
According to Michael barone of Fox Obama had a lead of 640 from Larime University of Wyoming. They have differece of 50 votes in the rest of the counties.
Fine, if Obama refuses to split the cost and Hillary is willing she can go to the credentials committee at the convention and present her case for having the FL and MI delegates seated saying that Obama obviously does not want to win those states in November.
Some observations on MI and FL:
a) MI and FL will not be slit 50-50.
b) Whether MI and FL are seated are not, Hillary has the PR upper hand on this issue. She is calling for votes to be counted and Obama is asking for them not to be counted.
c) Obama doesn’t want a re-vote in these states because he will lose them and that will be two more big states he cannot win.
d) The campaign about MI and FL is really a campaign to sway the super-delegates. The point Hillary will make is that look FL and MI voted for me but I am willing to do a revote but Obama is against it. His delegate lead is all based in irrelevant red-state caucus states whereas I have won all the big states. So, SDs if you want to win the GE you have to go with me.
e) Everyone is beginning to understand how undemocratic these delegate rules are and the caucuses are, especially if Obamabots keep pushing the story that they are the ones who really won Texas even though Hillary won Texas by alomost 5 points. It makes the point that these delegate splits are not representing the will of the popular vote.
birdgal, he’s already pissed off the Democrats in Florida. At one point, the Obama campaign stated they would file a law suit if there is an attempt to seat the FL delegates.
These caucuses are stupid!
Did she win any county?
Obama wants to dienfranchise Fl and MI.
mj, she has won 6 counties and Obama has won 7 counties.
see below:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#WY
TPS,
That’s what I’ve been saying about the caucus too. The primary in Texas and the primary that was held in Washington are good examples. I’m sure, the Obama folks will say they support a do-over, as long as it’s a caucus. But certainly everyone will see through that.
Oh, well, I am sure she won the smaller counties but that’s not bad.
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
61% reporting
Obama 58
Clinton 41
independent ben: Hopefully, he will piss of the MI voters, and perhaps, voters in other states with his unwillingness to do a re-vote. His case for the nomination is getting weaker.
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
65% reporting
Obama 58
Clinton 41
If some how a redo is done. All Hillary has to do is play clip after clip of Obama saying they should not be seated and she will win both in a landslide. Yes even in MI, all those “Archie Bunker Types” will vote against him at an 85 to 15 clip just like the AA do for him and they only account for 15% in MI
http://www.mydd.com/
Why Caucuses Suck
by Todd Beeton, Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:38:48 PM EST
Some huge turnout in Wyoming today. This is how Fox News reported the situation at the Cheyenne Civic Center:
Overwhelming, out of control and lines around the block. Those are all words that have been used to describe turnout.
At the Cheyenne Civic Center, they were planning for 500, they got 2000.
So, good right? Well, not for everyone. They later had a Wyoming state rep on who reported that in Casper “they had to turn people away. The line was queued up around the building when they shut the doors.”
Turning people away? Really?
The AP has more:
In Sweetwater County, more than 500 people crowded into a high school auditorium and another 500 were lined up to get inside.
“I’m worried about where we’re going to put them all. But I guess everybody’s got the same problem,” said Joyce Corcoran, a local party official. “So far we’re OK. But man, they keep coming.”
Party officials were struggling with how to handle the overflow crowds. The start of the Converse County caucus was delayed due to long lines.
In Cheyenne, scores of late arrivers were turned away when party officials stopped allowing people to get in line at 11 a.m. EST. A party worker stood at the end of the line with a sign reading, “End of the line. Caucus rules require the voter registration process to be closed at this time.”
Vera Double, 71, said she arrived late because she had a hard time finding parking.
“I’m so proud to see there are this many Democrats showing up in Cheyenne, but I’m very disappointed in the rules because we had difficulty parking and we had a long walk and they closed it off at 9 (a.m. MST),” she said. “I consider it — we’re disenfranchised, which they’ve done in other parts of the country.”
Look, caucuses make sense for states that are not used to mattering in the process and where turnout is usually paltry; caucuses are far cheaper than a primary after all. But that alone should give us all pause. The fact that finances drive the decision to engage in a process that is, on several counts, an exercise in dis-enfranchisement, is really disturbing. Maximizing participation should be paramount, not saving money.
Thanks, rjk. I was looking at Laramie County, yes.
DemAC at 2:32 .. you hit the nail right on the head.
The rush to get past all these caucuses and primaries was to get it over with before the scrutiny began. A shorter primary season benefitted him. Now that the first blush of adoration from the media is beginning to wane, and folks are taking a closer look, plus all the inevitable errors of a longer campaign, its working together against him and beginning to take a toll.
One issue of fairness that has not been mentioned is that Biden, Edwards, Dodd, and Kucinich don’t get a re-do in Michigan and Florida. Why should BO?
Obama is in so much trouble these days. Hillary on the other hand is rock solid, as always. For what it’s worth, and if nothing else, this campaign season sure has proved beyond reasonable doubt that our gal is way, way more qualified to be President than her poor competition.
ok so lets say again that we recount fl and mi and Obama needs so many delegates to get the nomination lets say 85 more that could tip him to the nomination right? I am just scared that it will give him the amount he needs even if it is not split because keep in mind those delegates are not in the tally. Im sorry im talking out my ass but someone tell me that is not the case!
Well, one reason Obama pulled his name off the Michigan voters was a campaign speech he made in Detroit, way back before Iowa. He told them that they should be required to raise fuel mileage standards on all vehicles – which is not a popular idea in Michigan. That might be the one time in his career BHO showed any courage – or was it stupidity?
DemAC at 2:42: Yes, Hillary is rock solid, and gets better all the time. She has all the qualities necessary for POTUS.
Wyoming Democratic Caucus
70% reporting
Obama 58
Clinton 41
winhillary, a point everyone is missing. The 2,025 needed for a win is excluding Michigan and Florida. If MI and FL are included that number will jump up to betwene 2,200 and 2,300. Without SDs no one can win the nomination. It is going to come down to them. That is where the big state primary wins will play a mjor role. So far, Obama has won one big state, IL.
See the following article from today’s front page Washington Post about the downside of Obama’s strategy:
Downside of Obama Strategy
Losses in Big States Spur General-Election Fears
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030703318.html
B Merryfield,
Well, poor Obambi forgot to add Big Pink and RezkoWatch to the equation…
winhillary, I don’t think that’s going to be the case. I really feel that Tuesday in MS will be BO’s last substantive win where he “racks up” some delegates. North Carolina has 134 delegates – and if Hillary doesn’t win there outright, it will be close.
He is leading the caucus because of university of wyoming where he got 640 vote lead.
so how many people actually voted today?
hope freemont comes in that might cut the vote lead i hope she gets it…need lander and riverton crosses fingers..
CNN trying to spin FLA vote numbers as more republicans voting than democrats because Democrats “stayed home because their vote wouldn’t count”
There was a BIG property tax legislation bill on the ballot too…so,
1.) Florida IS a Red State, so…more Republicans than Dems to begin with
2.) So…the implication is that Democrats do not care about Property taxes.
The CNN Obama machine is really disgusting. They think we are fools.
mj, I think they were estimating turnout of about 60,000 democrats.