Update: So much for the politics of hope. Barack Obama must fire Samantha Power.
HILLARY Clinton has been branded a “monster” by one of Barack Obama’s top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination. In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman, Samantha Power, his key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp’s true feelings about the former First Lady. [snip]
“We f***** up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.
“She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
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Wyoming. The Hillary Clinton campaign wagons are going to Wyoming.
Cheyenne Hillary For President
1603 Capitol Ave.
Offices 207 & 209
Cheyenne, WY 82001-4542
Phone: 307.778.3177
Casper Hillary For President
1455 S Poplar St
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Phone: 307.234.9390
On March 8, the Wyoming caucus will help decide who will become the next president. We know that Hillary has the strength and experience to lead on day one, and we need to reach out to as many caucus-goers as we can in Wyoming and tell them about her vision for the country.
We will need your help to be successful. Our Wyoming organization is driven by volunteers like you, talking to people, one-on-one. You can get involved by using this website to find an event near you, make calls from right where you are, or take a leadership role in the campaign.
03/07: In Cheyenne – Hillary Clinton Attends “Solutions for America” Town Hall
03/07: In Casper – Hillary Clinton Attends “Solutions for America” Town Hall
03/08: Election Day
Wyoming, the “Equality State”:
Wyoming is known as the “Equality State” because of the rights women have traditionally enjoyed there. Wyoming women were the first in the nation to vote, serve on juries and hold public office.
Wyoming was in the spotlight when Matthew Shepard was murdered in an anti-gay hate crime.
Hillary is an original co-sponsor of the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which would provide additional resources to fight hate crimes.
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The Wyoming Democratic Party Chair is a Hillary hater and a Democrat in name only. Likewise the Democratic Governor of Wyoming does not like Hillary, nor Obama.
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The Hillary Clinton campaign announced it achieved its goal of $3 million in 24 hours. The new goal is $6 million in 48 hours.
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And let’s not forget today was the first day, with jury, with opening arguments, of the REZKO trial.
In his opening statement Thursday, Rezko’s lead defense attorney, Joseph Duffy, mentioned Obama and five other politicians in explaining Rezko’s motivation for political involvement.
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And Barack Obama – firmly In the Dirt:
In the last few days, Obama and his senior staff have been open about their intention to raise all sorts of personal issues against the Clintons. They have even started that process by, for instance, calling for the Clintons to release their tax returns immediately, before the April 15 date Clinton’s campaign has promised. He is also bringing up his rival’s policy and biographical background in a negative way as well.
It is understandable why the Obama team wants to go negative, even while such a tactic conflicts with the senator’s frequent statements that he planned to run a different kind of campaign. Clinton’s recent hammering of Obama’s personal missteps and professional weaknesses (national security readiness, the flap over Obama’s top economic adviser talking to Canadian officials about NAFTA, the criminal trial of former Obama fundraiser Tony Rezko) seems to have helped her win primaries in Ohio and Texas. Those victories have at least temporarily staunched the tide of Obama Inevitability, much to the dismay of his staff and supporters, who have become cozily accustomed to success.
Team Obama wants to react quickly and with maximum force: his top political and communications advisers are from the you-pull-a-knife-I’ll-pull-a-gun school of campaign response. Furthermore, based on watching Obama interact with New York Times’ columnist Maureen Dowd on his campaign plane last week, he did not appreciate her once famously calling him “Obambi.”
After his first truly bad week since January (Clinton’s New Hampshire win notwithstanding), Obama has fretted that the press has decided to be tougher on him — and perhaps softer on Clinton. This might bode ill for a significant change in strategy and tone, even though in the past, many in the media cheered when Obama took steps to go negative against his New York rival. His campaign already has produced plenty of disparaging material about Clinton (radio ads, voter phone calls, e-mails, direct mail) without reproach.
But now it appears the campaign wants to make negative attacks, including those launched directly from the candidate himself, a more central part of its message. [snip]
Early on, Obama pledged to fire anyone on his staff who engaged in the kind of personal attacks his senior advisers are now openly launching on a daily basis. [snip]
By attacking Clinton during a period when he is particularly vulnerable on the Tony Rezko case, NAFTA, and other unseemly matters, Obama risks more unfavorable scrutiny directed at him (especially during a period when Clinton is on a roll, given her charming appearances on late-night comedy shows, her comeback kid excitement, and her refreshed media confidence).
It could look and feel desperate — already Obama’s affronted reaction to those newly tough, “like, eight questions” last week made him seem rather naive and peevish; add cutthroat to that image, and Obama could have a bigger problem than he is trying to solve by changing strategies.
Bring it on Barack. We dare you. We double dare you.
I am speechless about the SD story, and Admin, thanks for the new post. Something BAD is happening to this country and it stinks like BO
Do you know why there should *not* be a mulligan in Florida?
1) Because Florida is controlled by a Republican legislature and they are the ones who pushed the primary up.
2) Because Republicans made the bill that moved the primary up *and* also included the “Paper trail for electronic votes in all future elections”.
3) Because Florida could not vote *no* for moving the primaries *and yes* to a paper trail (to prevent the chad fiasco)? That in fact, these were intertwined in the same bill with emphasis on a paper trail?
4) All democrats were on the ballot.
5) Nobody campaigned (except Obama in national ads).
In the end, democrats had very little to do with this and also had their “hands tied” because the original bill included the paper trail requirement. Also, it was an even playing field (with the exception of Obama commercials on national television).
Umm, superdelegates can kill our party’s chances of winning, the complete opposite function of their purpose in the first place, by endorsing that fool. I hope they wake up and knock this sh** off. I still cannot believe they are choosing the person that won Idaho, Alaska, Utah, Georgia, South Carolina, North Dakota, Kansas and Nebraska over the woman that won New York, California, Ohio, Texas, Florida, Michigan, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona……fools.
Watch FOx if you can
Wow, I wonder if HRC and Chuck Schumer got letters….
does anyone else smell something fishy about the NY Recruit attack?
Hawk, FOX checking on that now
What SD story?
All of those SD’s coming out to endorse him today
Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:03 EST
50 superdelegates ready to endorse Obama?
Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Tuesday morning, Tom Brokaw dropped a bombshell on Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman.
“Somebody very close to the Obama campaign told me yesterday that they’ve got 50 [superdelegates] that they’ve identified who are ready to go public before too long,” Brokaw said. Off-camera, someone else from the show (it sounds like host Joe Scarborough) can be heard exclaiming, “Wow.” Video of Brokaw’s remarks appears below.
If this is true, it would represent a major coup for Barack Obama’s campaign. The Associated Press’ delegate count has Obama and Clinton separated by just 100 total delegates, included pledged and superdelegates. Obama leads in that count with 1,378 delegates; Clinton trails with 1,276. For the moment, 2,025 are needed for victory.
The word is no SD’s will be “coming out” anytime soon.
Hasn’t that SD story been denied? That’s Tuesday morning’s news.
They were planning something *if* Obama won Texas and possibly came close or won Ohio. He didn’t, it ain’t over ’till Donna Brazille sings.
Wasn’t this before Tuesday?
yes, it is old news.
This election is becoming a farce.
I say this again: screw the fucking party. Hillary can form a new Democratic party and run as the new party’s candidate. This so called Democratic party is hijacked by a bunch of crooks and thugs and it no longer represents our values.
BTW, don’t watch MSNBC unless you are an Obama fan. The reason is this, they are trying to gain viewers….young viewers. I saw a news story recently where they basically admitted their bias due to their desire to win “young” (i.e. college) viewers. They don’t feel they can peel away the CNN people because they have been watching and are loyal for so long.
About BO trying to spread dirt:
It is amazing that, after $70 million was spent to investigate the Clintons’ finances going back thirty years and NOTHING was found, that people still try to get us to believe that the Clintons are somehow corrupt.
I wonder how many other people in politics could withstand that kind of investigation.
kaffeen says
they are trying to gain viewers….young viewers. I saw a news story recently where they basically admitted their bias due to their desire to win “young” (i.e. college) viewers. They don’t feel they can peel away the CNN people because they have been watching and are loyal for so long.
Hm seems they have much in common with the DNC doing the same thing!
Obama’s threat to go negative represents a sea change only in this respect.
Until now he has used surrogates to play the race card, to launch sexist attacks and the like while he maintained plausible deniability.
Now he has removed that mask and from this point forward he can no longer pretend to be innocent. Now he is responsible for whatever foolish things his supporters do that hurts the party and helps Republicans.
Whats that line from Shakespeare– emotion has become lord of reason–something like that.
Young men.
Exactly, Hawk. Obama is winning all the traditionally Republican states. Obviously, there are good Democrats in Idaho, Alaska, Utah, and everywhere else, but let’s be real about it: those states are NOT crucial to the Dems’ chances of winning the White House in the same way that Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, California, New York, Nevada, etc. are.
For the record, Team Obama has denied Brokaw’s 50 SD story but who really knows? Obama is prob. just timing an announcment for later. Remember the early buzz about Ted Kennedy endorsing Obama?
is dean eligible for sup[reme court
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp
HILLARY Clinton has been branded a “monster” by one of Barack Obama’s top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination.
In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman, Samantha Power, his key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp’s true feelings about the former First Lady.
Her comments came as Mr Obama, whose defeats in Texas and Ohio on Tuesday were largely put down to a series of negative attacks on him, vowed to turn up the heat on Mrs Clinton over her claims to be the more experienced candidate.
The fragile truce was blown apart as the pressure for the nomination intensified, with Mrs Clinton winning in Texas and Ohio.
Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.
“We f***** up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.
“She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
“Interestingly, the people in her innermost circle seem to not mind her; I think they really love her.”
But she added: “There is this middle circle – they are really on the warpath. But the truth is she has proved herself really willing to stoop.”
I thought Dean’s plan was a 48 state strategy? What happened to that. There are alot of states yet to go. There are a lot of delegates yet .. and there was a report today that said the National party REWARDED states bonus delegates for having later primaries…May 1 thru June 10.
Did you all read Bill’s message about donating $5.00 each. It’s such a nice blog entry.
You can bet Obama is using the “Hillary Is A Drag on Down-Ticket Dem. Candidates” crap as well….
I really wish Hillary’s team would release Samantha Power’s comments about Israel. He’s already vulnerable on that front.
Ms. Power needs to stop believing her own lies.
That Machiavellian stuff about Hillary is so obviously not true.
Hillary’s people love her because she’s lovable. And courageous. And has incredible stamina. And and and ……
ADMIN!
WOW
Does the campaign have that? Just another “boneheaded” cmment by another inexperienced policy adviser.
admin..I hope TeamHillary sees this.
Perfect ad for Hillary to use IMO to rip the mask off his whole team… calling Ohioans OBSESSED .. telling America Ohio is the only place she can win.
I don’t think America will like hearing this
BTW, I bet Samanta Powers has has never met Hillary Clinton.
I so hope that Hillary addresses this whole issue. Not just friggin press releases from her website either. Get on tv and say something.
Obama should have to apologize .. period.
, the people in her innermost circle seem to not mind her;
likable….enough
Wow. what a bitch. I wouldn’t mind tellin her what I think of her messiah……..but that would be below a Hillary supporter.
Right, BO’s adviser’s screwup on NAFTA was definitely Hillary’s doing.
space
ditto
likable enough
I remember when he said that I almost put my fist through the tele
Admin .. how bout asking Hillary to confront that woman about Kingsgrove comment as well.
What a god awful thing to say. BO has been absolutely disgusting toward Hill. She will stoop to nothing??? This from the guy who’s basically run around all year calling her a bitch just not in those words? I am sick and tired of the sanctimony from those assholes.
Beyond the scope of that article, I think this proves that Obambi’s camp is frustrated. They are beginning to see the writing on the wall and they just can’t stand it. LMAO
Within the scope of that article, hmmmm…is this really the foreign policy diplomatic approach we would see with Obambi?
What was that Cindy Lauper song in the 80’s? True Colors.
No, it is not below me….he is an arrogant prick that will never get elected president in this country despite his lifelong ambitions to become president….he is a sick asshole.
This is an interesting number…
Not counting Michigan (not everyone on ballot),
13,566,066 Americans have cast votes for Senator Clinton this year.
12,989,852 have cast ballots for Obama.
Hillary has won the popular vote. She will have won the popular vote come the convention. Remembering how many democrats were upset when Gore won the popular vote but didn’t win the election, it seems Hillary will have a very strong argument to make (especially considering that most of those super delegates complained about this back when Gore ran).
We updated our article, calling on Samantha Power to be fired. Let’s get this story out. As Kingsgrove points out, Power has some other problems.
Also Power was the one who prepared Obama’s Attack Pakistan speech.
Campaign already has it from here
A new Florida nugget…
The Florida democrats tried to remove the language about the primary being moved (on the bill that both had to do with creating a paper trail for electronic votes and the republicans moving up the primary). The republicans refused. Just reported on CNN (didn’t know that one). Wow.
OMG, that’s awful. I love how she’s like “ooops, that’s off the record!” Nice try yo.
Hillary has won the popular vote. If anyone says Obambi is the front-runner, they need to define that. Besides the fact that no candidate can win the nomination with pledged delegates, this probably means *the popular vote* should be the deciding factor.
As is….Hillary has won the popular vote.
my Mum always said
“shit rolls down hill”
so Obama’s the head “shit” it’s no wonder Sammie girl is that way, they all are right down to their thugish bots at the caucus, pathetic.
I’d like about five minutes alone with one of them LOL:)
He had to threaten to attack somebody after his lame response to the question as to what would be the first thing he would do after a terrorist attack – he started talking about the first responders and forgot about what a bunch of militaristic, sick nuts the press are. They had him pegged as a bleeding heart and he had to threaten to kill a bunch of people to stop the bleeding.
One of the prevailing junk ideas spouting from the slimy mouths in the DNC is that if Obambi has any kind of lead in delegates going into Denver, it would be difficult for the party of civil rights to deny an AA the nomination. Excuse me? Civil rights do not equal AA rights! Civil rights include Latinos, Asian-Americans, Jewish-Americans and especially women. Let’s be honest. Many of these groups are not just voting for HRC in recent primaries but also against the AA Obama. Not because AAs have koodies. It’s because sometimes our AA fellow citizens think they are first among equals when it comes to the CR thing since they were the ones who fought the major battles against racism. Thanks. You did save America from itself once upon a time. But now the liberator has become the oppressor. Others, including woman, are now demanding a place at the national table but the AAs insist on being the chef. We just wash the dishes.
HRC will win unless she is ripped off by the Party. The arguments for wining the GE are all hers. It is as clear as the space between Dean’s ears. If the nomination is stolen by the SDs under pressure, I hope there is a “Women for McCain” organization. Adim, why not suggest that McCain choose a female running mate on the front page. The McCain folks now have some time to read our stuff while they are planning their war strategy. If the Deannies pull a fast one in Denver (or before), just the whiff of such a brilliant counter move from the McCain camp would send shivers down the spine of Howard Dean if he had one. Who says a VP does not do anything for a ticket.
Better yet, if we get scammed, let’s get Hillary to run as a Third Party candidate. If the Democratic Party wants to transform itself into an AA Party, well go right ahead. We woman are free to start our own and Hillary can be its first candidate. Put that in your pretty pipe Mr. Dean and smoke it. Don’t forget to inhale. The Democratic Party can join the Federalists and Whigs and be assigned to the history books. The DNC better look at the electoral math. A big chunk of the AA vote is in red states. Women are in every state. Red, white and blue! We don’t need the Democratic Party, they need us. Let’s borrow a phrase from good old Karl Marx “Women of the world unite. We have nothing to lose but these gosh darn chains.” Hillary was the spark that ignited the prairie fire. Bless her sweet soul. But if we are not willing to fight the battle with her, we deserve what we get. Any woman SD who crosses over to Obama will get theirs in spades someday. I hope they enjoy their second rate status.
Did anyone here catch that snippet on Morning Joe, where Mika was reporting and they were supposed to go to a clip about McCain (i think), and there was about 3-4 seconds of the SNL Cartoon about BO, that had the bit of Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton in the swamp?
Mika was stunned, and caught off guard She said “Well! Well! I , I um dont know what that was. It was funny, but I don’t know what that was” then they went to the real clip. Just goes to show ya that the boys in the back room in the control booth were laughing at the “yes, massa” cartoon while Mila is in the Bag for him. I almost think they did that to rattle her cage and I can JUST IMAGINE that uproar that took place when they went to break. If anyone can find this on YouTube, I am SURE it must be out there and exposes them for what they are. Fools and hypocrites.
Good evening, all!Just got home from all day Dr. visits and caught some sh!t on the BM Talking head shows.
Everyone, from tweetie, to O’Reilly to Ogremann to Hannity are syaing that BO is ahead in popular votes and hammering that theme hard.
Sharpton on Bill-O saying if the winner of the popular vote – balahblahblah. Tomorrow I’m gonna email these shows with Kaffeen’s numbers but, kaff, do you have a link to the source?
FWIW – Brazile is the real puppet-master here. SHE is the one who decided to sanction florida and Michigan as chair of the Rules and regs committee. Why such a harsh punishment? I think Dean is just cleaning up after another of his arrogant out-of-control clones.
Well BambiCamp(tm) will deny, deny, deny first on the Power article.
They brought NaftaGate on themselves and tried to pin it on Hillary as well.
I guess when they have shit pains they gonna blame her as well.
Again, I would never in my lifetime stoop to vote for him. Never in my lifetime and Hillary better not accept him as a veep.
I finally got home and can look at the SUSA electoral college cross tabs. Washington has been bugging me since it came out and the demo breakdowns are funky. They have her losing Hispanics, Asians and Blacks by pretty good margins to McCain. WTF?
Admin and all–anyone who thinks that was an unguarded moment is getting taken for a ride. That was on script. Stop repeating it. The woman who said it is the monster. Obama is behaving monstrously. If we want to hear campaigns spreading the word monster around, there are plenty of places to land that label. Something that drives me wild about progressive talks shows and Hillary websites is that we only do the other side free advertising when we repeat their smears. Here is what I would love to see us saying: Smantha Power behaved monstrously today in attempting to smear Hillary. or Samantha Power acted like a Halloween ghoul attempting to smear Hillary. or Samantha Power is so frightened by her candidate’s downslide is she is calling Hilary names. Or when things get hard for Obama’s campaign staff they pull out the hyperbole. etc. etc. Just do not repeat the smear. That is what they want. That is how a smear grows, etc. Now you can just bet
everyone on the msm will be calling Hillary a monster via Samantha Power. They play the media like a violin.
BTW, don’t watch MSNBC unless you are an Obama fan. The reason is this, they are trying to gain viewers….young viewers.
Specifically young males…I’ve been saying that for months, at least one station will acknowledge it. But what does it say for the media?
That goes for The Daily, Bill Mahar etc.. too
basil, I just added up the numbers on CNN’s site. You have to do it state by state and count Florida.
The Black vote in WA splits 55-35 for McCain v. Clinton and the hispanic vote splits 58-31 for McCain.
Something is wacked in WA.
“was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead”
It’s shocking, she’s actually going to people and asking for tehheir votes–WILL SHE STOP AT NOTHING?
Obama has the vapors, somebody bring him the smelling salts, a pillow, and Olberman to cuddle with.
linfar
sent it
Hey experience, gracias. I’m looking forward to it
See if we can go after his character a wee bit…
linfar – I agree with you. this is a case where they want the word to be played over and over even if it reflects poorly on Obama’s campaign. I can see Drudge headlining it.
This Samantha Powers person is out of control. Campaigns like this wear on everyone but her comments are beyond the pale. If Obama had a modicum of decency he would recognize this and place her on a medical leave of absense to prevent further damage to his sinking campaign.
Ininla, yes, yes. These people do not make slips. But that idea makes it all the more tempting to the press. Like catnip!
OOPS – too late – it’s headline on Drudge.
townhall.com/blog/g/be017e43-07d6-4b3b-9638-c40caa1a5480
Where did you get your stats from Kafeen? My understanding was that she’s ahead ONLY if you count Michigan. I still think it’s entirely possible for her to take the popular vote lead, i just don’t know where you got your info.
wbboei, this is the obama campaign from day one. He has surrogates trash her, rip her a new one, take her apart in every way imaginable and then he goes tsk, tsk and that is the end of it. Who played the race card, more than once? who has called her so many mysogynistic names you can’t count them? Who sends out the creepiest fliers, and on and on. OBAMINATION!!!
Tiny those stats from Washington sound completely wrong.
I have never seen a more entitled candidate, except perhaps George Bush.
clinton 13,254,781
bambi 13,206,955
omitting florida
clinton 12,069,422
satan 12,637,914
ignoring causus states her lead is 244,176
with
clinton 12,069,970
satan 12,835,804
its late here hope maths is ok:)
causus=caucus ooops#
got numbers from cnn website
a nice twist on the BO “hope” poster (in case you have not seen it):
cgi.ebay.com/Barack-Obama-Giant-%22Nope%22-Poster-Exclusive-1-of-a-kind!_W0QQitemZ140211011958QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL0802270974a11499
I disagree Kafeen. It goes to his judgement. If one of Hilary’s advisors said something about him..oh I forgot they did and he had to be fired. It also cost her points.
To call Hillary a monster on tv will rally people to her side…they see her getting slammed everyday, they see her still fighting, they see media hitting her with lies and trash.
I don’t see this as smearing her. it smears him .. it goes to his whole team..again, people around him making mistakes. How does that speak to how the would choose advisors.
Just my opinion
Is the Mississippi JJ being broadcast anywhere?
More about repeating smears. Obama is a genius at deflecting it. He never repeats anything. Rezko isn’t sticking because he will not repeat anything. But this seems to be something democrats haven’t learned yet. Everytime we repeat the accusation we give it a little bit more oxygen, like a fire.
Going negative on HRC with old stuff just won’t work, imo. The media has been giving HRC pap smears since 1992. nnever find anything. Ken Starr gave her a complete examination, colonoscopy (?), mamo and everything..all clean..move on nothing to see. would be a bad move on bho part
To call Hillary a monster on tv will rally people to her side
a monster lol…how old are they 12?
He’ll have to apologize and he’ll have to ask for her resignation. Nothing short will be accepted.
Al Shapton just told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.
So scary… Let’s just hand the nomination to Hussein Obama, the underprivileged AA who can finally have his dream and hope fulfilled. That would give peace to this freaking country.
Actually I want to nominate Hussein Obama as the president of the United Nation.
“She worked as freelance journalist in Bosnia, after teaching herself the language in Croatia. Her only other journalism experience prior to that was covering the Yale women’s volleyball team.”
love this
his foreign policy adviser…..
I know Hawk! It’s weird. Hillary gets blacks well over 60%, in the 70s and 80s in all the other states I looked at. Hispanics seem to go back and forth, but oddly in NV McCain wins Hispanics over Hillary and Obama wins hispanics over McCain. ???? I think SUSA is the gold standard this election, but those stats don’t smell right to me.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=09121f95-3b09-42c3-9c71-32e1494e7e25%20
Sharpton is trying to stay relevant…his sell by is long gone..the milk is sour
Al Shapton just told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.
Is that not blackmail or what?
That f**ing Playmate! just caught the clip of Dean on Scarface this morning and she quotes from a WaPo article calling on judgment from the DNC and the candidates regarding Florida and Michigan, ending with a quote that says something to the effect that Dean should publicly condemn the hemming and hawing of HRC on the 60 minutes Interview about Bo’S religion! WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!
She didn’t hem or haw!!!!!!! She was asked three times about BO being a muslim and each time she said that he’d made it clear he was a Christian and finally she got exasperated and when pressed again about his religion she said he wasn’t a Muslim as far as she knew and that somehow gets magnified into hemming and hawing??????
All the more reason to NOT have Obama in the whitehouse
dedfg, monster is something the right wing called her for decades. it is an old smear. And it is one that resonates. That’s why Rove says she has to show more of the light, fun Hill like on SNL. It is a serious slander that cannot be rebutted. She has tried and tried. Of course it now headlines Drudge. Hill’s biggest drawback in poll after poll after poll is she is calculating and heartless. Well, that equals monster. What tghe campaign should do is just confront them on it. that was no accident. that is what the Obama campaign does. they light a fire and then say they didn’t or it was a mistgake or an accident or fill in the blank.
linfar: I completely agree. My comments were tongue in cheek.
THE CASE AGAINST REVOTING:
FL and MI revotes must be fought against, because it is wrong on principlepractical, and wrong in practical purposes.
Obama was not forced to withdraw his name from the MI ballot, he did so to undermine the “value” of Hillary’s expected win. And he was on the FL ballot, he just did a lot worse than she did.
On principle, the people of FL and MI voted. We are now telling them that we didn’t like that vote, would you please try again. Pissing off voters in battleground states is a poor starting point for the GE.
In practice, there are many reasons that make it complicated and unfair.
1. Who’s going to pay for it?
a. Didn’t Dean say DNC won’t pay for it (I suppose it’s “punishment”).
b. so then let’s punish FL/MI taxpayers, including those who are Republican or Independent?
c. If Oprah or someone “foots the bill”, to essentially help Obama, isn’t that a contribution outside the legal $2,300 limit????
2. Who is going to make up the new rules?
a. If you thought the caucuses were bad in little states…caucus in MI???
b. Any rule set is going to help one candidate or the other…no way around it.
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The only fair solution is to count the votes. The “abstain” votes in MI go to…No one.
If the DNC wants to use some sense, do what the RNC did: punish the states by halving their delegates.
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Later, we’ll try to flesh out these arguments. This needs to get floated up to Maggie Williams, Wolfson, and the Wonder Woman herself.
Hey, has anyone called her “Wonder Woman” yet? I like it.
wow, was ms power drunk? you don’t say any of that shit to the press! she’s a monster and it’s “interesting” that people don’t mind her??
You just look at her and think: ergh.
wow. this is just not said. i can’t believe it.
there is another interesting comment later in the piece that prob won’t get attention due to the personal insults, but, referring to meeting with dictators –
But seeking to at least have dialogue would give the United States more kudos in the non-western world, allowing others to see that perhaps it was not all America’s fault.
not helpful imho. we should meet with ahmedinejad to show others that.. something? was not all America’s fault? and what, exactly?
Sharpton is only saying what the Obama campaign has been threatening the dnc with from the outset. And it has democrats running scared. They don’t seem to get it quite so clearly that women will bolt if it goes the other way. Hill’s surrogates don’t threaten the way Obama’s do. In so many words Brazile threatened to leave too.
As of march 5th
CNN website
Total votes cast per candidate
Clinton 13,254,781
Satan 13,206,955
Omitting florida and Michigan
Clinton 12,069,422
Satan 12,637,914
So the fact is that both candidates are actually as near to neck and neck as can be in terms of the popular vote with Hillary ahead of Satan in terms of votes cast in her favour by a margin of 47,826
It is only if you discount fla and Mi that Satan had a lead and then it amounts to 568,492
Given the debate about how democratic is would be to allow SD’s to overturn the candidate with highest popular vote it is worth speculating on the morality of not counting some 1,754,400 votes in fla and Mi.
Clearly if the total number of votes is taken into account we can identify the candidate with the largest popular vote
This ould mean Hillary as this stage-although this could change in the remaining contests.
There is another wrinkle however
These figures include a small double count in Texas (two step) which favours Satan which would push hillay’s lead to about 50,000 approx
There is another issue in that there is a clear advantage to Satan in caucus states, this is demonstrated in Texas. This could be quantified and an allowance made for other states. This would reflect the actual state of Hillary’s support in terms of popular vote and it would be higher
If we ignore the caucus states her lead is 244,176
Clinton 13,069,970
Satan 12,825,804
Hmmm, experience, I come up with these numbers…
13,566,066 Hillary
12,989,852 Obambi.
That lying bitch. Look what she says here:
“You just look at her and think: ergh. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive. ”
That’s what BO has been doing since right before WI.
Here is why rezco is getting no mention. Story only had 12 votes on it
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_us/fundraiser_trial_2;_ylt=AtdPYjs3WjHwN_6RBY2_vNfkbeRF
It leads one to believe that Obama will scarcely be mentioned.
wbboei, lol. I was so pissed off when I read the monster crapola getting floated again I wouldn’t have heard a joke if you hit me over the head with it. The Obama campaign fights really, really dirty.
“# dedfg Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Al Shapton just told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.
Is that not blackmail or what?”
I just don’t understand the sense of entitlement from these people, as if the whole freaking world owes them something! If the DNC is so worried about pissing off the AAs, they should also be worried about pissing off Latinos, Asian American, Jews, and believe or not, some plain white people!
Thugs!
My numbers jive with this one…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
Sharpton threatening to demonstrate is not good for Obama’s campaign. That’ll just make people turn away from it. I know I for one am sick of hearing Sharpton threatening every 5 minutes.
Anyone have a link to the ABC story or video with HRC flatly refusing to have a do-over in Florida and Michigan? I can’t find it.
kaffeen i did this yesterday from the cnn number yesterday, might have made mistake but thought i checked them well:) argument is the same tho, bambi is not doig as well as the media say
I wonder where Bill Ayers was when that bomb was planted???? As for the NY congressmen getting letters from the group claiming responsibilty, it would not suprise me if the where Hillary’s superdelegates.
kaffeen
i did it in excel, maybe typed one in wrong
Obama’s aide calling Hillary “a monster” to reporters is appalling, and beyond the pale. Obama should issue an apology.
RCP doesn’t count Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Totals
experience….yours may be right, I just had a calculator.
Just imagine how up-in-arms the mainstream press would be if a top Clinton advisor, like Penn or Wolfson, callled Obama “a monster.” We’d never hear the end of it… yet another example of the excessive pro-Obama bias.
HRC is a monster…yep. But she’s not even 1/4 the monster her defenders are. Watch out Sammy, the boogie men (and women) might eat you up.
Al Sharpton is probably one of the most hated people in America as an annoying bastard.
MSNBC has been shocked (Matthews and Olberman) that Wolfson compared Obama to Ken Starr. Why would she drudge that up, they say.
I wish these people would get a clue. It was in RESPONSE to an Obama memo that threatened to bring up Whitewater, travelgate, on and on
You know, this morning Obama campaign was saying Archie Bunker types are only ones voting for Hillary. I am white working class background and that stuff is as serious as racism. It is stereotyping. But in this country racism is much more important. Sometimes peopel don;t even see classism. And that Archie Bunker crapola is classism. The Obama campaign is playing every damn card in the book. They slimed and libeled every white voter in Ohio, for god’s sake. And nobody says boo.
Sorry to keep posting on this, but what’s really galling is that the aide who called her a “monster” didn’t issue an immediate apology, but instead said, “oh wait, that’s off the record.” Ugh!
Ah, story on CNN – on Obama’s state career! some scrutiny?
kaffeen
i’d be shocked but happy if i didnt make a mistake. after being up all night watchig the elections:)
i started an excel sheet to keep track of the numbers several different ways, but as i said i was really tired:)
but the whole point is that caucus dont predict a winner in a GE when everyone votes, i think dean is messing with fire and may get burnt
But I believe Al Sharpton does represent the mentality of Hussein Obama’s camp. Hussein Obama needs to be stopped! He is a huge threat to our democracy.
Well, of the record , I think we’re gonna have to get Ms. Power fired.
In fact, I’ll get Diva to help me with that in the morning.
Well, how should hill respond to this baseless, disgusting attack by BO’s hag. By the way, he clearly had her say it so it could look like it was coming from a woman..
I actually think Susan Powderheads comments makea brilliant woman like Hillary Clinton even more appreciated.
Powder has such great credentials too.. this is what he’d chose in the Whitehouse.
Also, Al Sharpton .. don’t worry your bud won’t get the popular vote. You won’t have to worry come convention time.
The media is making such a joke of this election.
completely ignoring the GLBT community, the Latino community, the Asian American community, all of which are solidly behind HRC. As I have said before Obama is becoming slightly more and more racist via his surrogates like Jesse Jackson Jr. (comments after NH) and Al Sharpton, an obvious racist.
experience, I’ll add ‘em up again a bit later……but as you say, the point is the same. Hillary has won the popular vote and there is every reason to believe that she will have the popular vote in at the convention.
completely ignoring the GLBT community, the Latino community, the Asian American community, all of which are solidly behind HRC…
All her AA and Bi-racial supporters…
How’s this for a press story you will never see:” Samantha Power behaved foolishly today, apparently distraught over her candidate’s slide in standing. Pretending she was off the record she attacked Hillary Clinton with nursery rhyme type smears. It was theorized that the pressure has been almost overwhelminjig of late and perhaps she needs a holiday.”
Yeah Idunn, and her supporters in the Jewish community.
Im old skool
perhaps the florida and michigan people should have a demonstartio about being IGNORED by the F**king DNC!!
Maybe hillary supporters should gather for a march WTF???
you cant ignore over 50% of the population who voted
F**K YOU HOWARD DEAN AND YOUR MINIONS!!
I don’t think I can be satisfied with giving her a holiday. I think I’m gonna have to make sure she’s fired.
Hillary has to respond to this, especially the bs about the Ohioans. And, that she was not trying to scare anyone, she leaves those tactics up to BO, but to point out this guy is such a liar he was making assurances to foreign governments that ran contrary to his public statements!
Maybe hillary supporters should gather for a march WTF???
Hell, I’m only about 8 hours from DC. I’ll march.
Independent Ben, They are liars. Do yo really think they do not know the facts? Tweety, Blobberman, Fucker carlson are bastards. They are traitotrs and MFS.
The biggest reason I hate obama is that he turned this election into a racial divide, for that he can never be forgiven!!
Powder head, I love it.
She will not get fired. Don’t even bother. It’s just like Jesse Jackson Jr. and Donnie McClurkin and that military asshole. They fire off their barages and the press goes, Ooooh. And nobody does shit.
Yeah, I want her fired. I want her ass on da street.
Ohio voters got insulted twice today by Obama supporters. Way to reach out to them for the GE!
The biggest reason I hate Obama is…well, he’s Obama.
Hillary should have her campaign and surrogates attack Barack into mincemeat. Will the Jefferson-Jackson dinner be televised? What are the internals in Mississippi looking like?? I know she will lose the Jackson metro area, but she could get the gulfport/biloxi area, as well as Meridian. Hopefully something like Missouri happens where she wins all of the rural counties, but doesn’t carry the major city because I know Jackson has a large AA population.
Experiencematters, I agree completely. This racial divide he is causing is going to permanently damage brown-black relations in our party for a long time to come. I am very nervous about this. This is why we need her as a nominee, Latinos ar enot as party oriented as AA’s, they will go for McCain if it is B.O.
experience, I agree. I have not been aware of race in such a negative way in a long, long time. And the class stuff just reeks. That archie bunker crapola this morning was unforgiveable. I couldn’t vote for this guy if you paid me. I mean it. He is a sick fuck who deserves to go down in very ugly flames.
Idunn
im so pissed of riht now that if they DO have a re-do or caucus in florida im coming over for it!!! and if ONE of those ratty little shit boxes of bambis comes near me i’ll deck em! they wont take over and intimidate people in front of me I can tell you. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
Yeah, I want her fired. I want her ass on da street.
Hey, Bambi said he’d fire anyone that said that kind of thing, didn’t he? Let’s just press him to show that he intends to keep his promises to the good people of this country.
Rush Limbaugh should urge Mississippi republicans to vote for HRC since their nominee is chosen.
Tiny Dancer Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
I finally got home and can look at the SUSA electoral college cross tabs. Washington has been bugging me since it came out and the demo breakdowns are funky. They have her losing Hispanics, Asians and Blacks by pretty good margins to McCain. WTF?
That would never happen. That SUSA poll is out of whack.
I heard on NPR tonight (from someone from the O campaign I assume) that supposedly Obama has really won Texas because of the caucus results!! I thought that the primary winner got 2/3 of the delegates and the caucus winner gets 1/3, so WTF?????
I wonder how Dean feels about Obama & Co. insulting fellow democrats? My goodness, that CAN’T be good for the party as a whole.
I”m trying to post at Times Online UK h t t p : / /www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article3492457.ece
Many people consider Hillary’s vote on the AUMF to be better than Obama’s. Hers was a vote for negotiation, diplomacy. She took a nuanced view of a complicated situation and gave Powell a big stick she trusted he would not abuse. This will appeal to the more intelligent, informed of the voters who would otherwise lean to McCain, to whom Obama seems a simplistic demogogue on that issue. See David Brooks at NYT, “No Apology Necessary.”
PS. This feminist is charmed by the image of Hillary flouncing out to run independent.
Unfortunately she is too loyal and ethical to actually do that. I will try to use a quill pen and make flourishes when I write her name in, though, should that become necessary.
hawk
linfar
that is the reason i dispise him. what he is doing is plain evil. Look the clintons are good people, i know this. They worked their arses off for us over here and i personally know the type of people they are and I personally konw the amount of work they did,the middle of the night calls, the meetings, the pressure. without them we’d have no peace process AND i’d like to tell fuckface obama that HILLARY WAS HERE not sipping fucking tea, but sitting down with protestants and catholic women creating dialoge between bitter communities,. When little kids were being attacked walking to school at the holy cross primary school, this went on for weeks, Hell, even OPRAH covered it. Where was the messiah, the uniter then??? partying with rezko!! so how dare he try to make the clintons out to be racist, that’s just not on in my book and for that i hate him and for what it is diong to america. done venting now:)
That’s a great idea! I rarely if ever get a chance to use my caligraphy skills these days. I’ll be sure to write in her name with as much drama and beauty as I can muster.
mj – They have Obama only getting 60% of the black vote in CA and McCain getting 38 So yeah, someting is fishy with SUSA. WA will go blue.
And in North Carolina McCain wins latinos 98 to 2 over Clinton, but Obama takes latinos 75 – 25 over McCain. It’s like bizzaro world?
Idunn, Dean hates Hillary.
Dean is chief cook and bottle washer, along with Brazile, with party dems who want to oust Clintons. Obama is just their poster child. The knives are out.
I wonder what BFF Brazile has to say about Ms. Power’s remarks. Wasn’t she all down with the negative attacks a couple days ago?
Hey Experience.
About Irish peace process.
There is another one to add to Hill’s foreign policy experience. Of course it was Bill. Did Hillary come over and supoort it or anything??
BFF is a fucking two faced sack of shit. And you can put that ON the record.
Whoa, Tiny now I am convinced those polls are fake. 100% wrong. SUSA is wrong for the first time in a long time.
dean is re-doing the party from the ground up
core democrats being replaced with the young bots
pulilng a bush in florida
he thinks he doesnot need us, just wait, he will and we will be elsewhere!!
Hillary Clinton is more electable than Barack Obama in Louisiana: McCain beats Obama 54-39, while Hillary holds McCain to a ten point margin, or 51-41.
Experience, do yu have any arfticles or anything about Hillary doing what you describe?
That is Great stuff.
Good press for her.
If you do have stuff, send it along. I am winding up to get back in the diary business
linfar, yes she did!!!
her ass was here!! She sat down with a group in belfast and got them talking, a group of women for both communites. I met Bill here three times and her once. She DID help here in many ways, just her presence brings focus. We love her here and Bill too.
Who is BFF?
Also, Pennsylvania is a close primary, but when is the last date to change party affiliation?? Do you think we will have a problem with Republicans crossing over to vote in the democratic primary because they already have a nominee??
basil9,
“Anyone have a link to the ABC story or video with HRC flatly refusing to have a do-over in Florida and Michigan? I can’t find it.”
It was Jake Tapper on the ABC World News. You should be able to watch the World News on ABC’s website. It’s pretty close to the beginning.
Hillary is in Mississippi tomorrow too
He Irish one
Can you send me any articles? That would be great. Good. good. We have to counter the smears with information about what she does, how she behaves, things she has done.
From 1999 on HRC and Ireland :
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/342931.stm
linfar
im trying to find a photo, but, if you look on the front page of hillaryworldwide.org i have a pic of her with Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley, they are the two leaders, first minister and deputy first minister. I know that when they went to washington last, only a fewmonths ago, theymet with Bush and her…NOT BAMBI!!! Shows the importance assigned to her by the irish
I thought she was in WY tomorrow?
Looking at how Clinton won in Ohio
Posted by dpolveri March 05, 2008 23:11PM
Rural Ohio helped Clinton win the state
It came down to places like “The Little Smokies,” the hilly region where the Scioto and Ohio rivers meet, more than 200 miles south of Cleveland.
There, 81 percent of Scioto County’s Democratic voters, nearly all white, stood with Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose campaign was reborn Tuesday after beating rival Barack Obama, 54 percent to 44 percent in Ohio.
Voters in The Little Smokies figured big. The county produced a nearly 10,000-vote margin for Clinton – equal to Obama’s margin of victory in the more populous urban Montgomery County, which includes Dayton.
Combined with voters in the state’s other 62 rural counties, voters in Scioto helped Clinton beat back a surging Obama, whose five county victories Tuesday were in urban and suburban areas, including Cuyahoga County.
• Download a graphic (PDF) looking at how Hillary Clinton, Gov. Strickland got similar support in Ohio
Obama beat Clinton in Cuyahoga 53 percent to 46 percent, or by about 23,000 votes.
Though Obama lost virtually no ground in the race for delegates, Ohio’s election results complicated the road to the nominating convention by sharpening the differences in each candidate’s voter base.
Clinton overwhelmingly attracted white voters, women, older voters, rural voters and union members; Obama attracted affluent voters, black urban voters and college students, according to voting patterns analyzed by The Plain Dealer and by exit poll data provided by the Associated Press.
In previous primaries, exit polls showed Obama capturing more of the white male vote.
Clinton’s domination in rural Ohio, whose residents are largely white and poorer than those in other parts of state, wasn’t an accident.
Clinton and her surrogates — namely Bill Clinton and Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland — targeted voters there.
Bill Clinton, whose roots in Arkansas made him popular among Ohio’s rural voters in his 1992 and 1996 elections, campaigned in 20 cities, the bulk in rural areas.
Strickland, elected governor by a landslide in 2006, was born in Scioto County and, as a former congressman, once represented a dozen counties along the Ohio River.
In addition to campaigning alongside Hillary Clinton, Strickland worked his contacts, from small-county bosses to small-town reporters, a network that appears to have helped her in rural Ohio.
When Strickland learned Obama was visiting southern Ohio last weekend, for instance, he called contacts at radio stations and made impromptu visits to television stations in West Virginia that provide coverage to southern Ohio.
“I found out that there is not a lot of news on Sundays,” Strickland said in an interview Wednesday. “My goal was to make sure any exposure Obama received was negated.”
Strickland said he believes voters’ familiarity with him did make a difference, especially with those who made up their minds at the last minute.
“When people like both candidates, the opinion of someone they know can make a difference,” he said.
Obama did best among blacks who also turned out in greater numbers than in past Ohio primaries. He got backing from nine in 10 blacks.
Such support was evident in Cuyahoga County, which includes the largest black voting bloc in the state. He won 70 percent of the vote in the delegate-rich 11th Congressional District, represented by Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, who backs Clinton. About 55 percent of the district’s residents are black, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
Strickland said it’s unfortunate that some voters appear to have cast votes along race and gender lines.
“There’s no sense pretending that some prejudice and intolerance isn’t there,” he said. “But the bigger story is that an African-American and a woman have been embraced by huge numbers.”
Clinton and Obama split among independents, a group the Illinois senator had solidly won in recent primaries.
Obama did better among more affluent voters in the state, in places like Franklin and Delaware counties, which have median incomes above the state’s average.
Clinton and Obama campaigned in middle-class regions of the state largely around economic issues such as trade.
The two candidates battled in particular around the North American Free Trade Agreement, which unions blame for the loss of jobs in Ohio. They each accused the other of being more supportive of the deal. But during the final days before the primary, Obama’s campaign was accused by a Canadian television network of privately downplaying his opposition to the deal to the Canadian government, an issue Clinton pounced on.
In the end, Clinton won far more blue-collar workers and voters who live in union households. She won nearly six in 10 votes from union households and the same number among people who earn less than $50,000 a year, according to exit polling data.
She picked up the contested Mahoning Valley, which includes Youngstown and has been hit particularly hard by manufacturing job losses.
Dave Regan, head of the Columbus-based Service Employees International Union 1199, which endorsed Obama, said Clinton and her surrogates were “skillful and effective” in selling their anti-NAFTA position.
“The real irony of this is that the people who brought us NAFTA managed to campaign as critics of that trade agreement,” he said. “Sen. Obama has to rightfully reclaim that issue. In our judgment that issue slipped away.”
Plain Dealer Computer-Assisted Editor Rich Exner contributed to this story.
http://www.cleveland.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/_rural_ohio_helped_clinton.html
Idunn, experience, thanks. Anything else send it along, ok. Linfar2003@yahoo.com
The last day to register in PA is March 24th
Idunn
thanks for finding that, I remember now it was ot long after rosemary nelson that lawyer was murdered and right after that three catholic kids (the quinn children) were burnt alive in their homes, it was awful. So the cintons know and understand committment, when they give their word they keep it…full stop
OMG it’s 230AM her got to go to bed LOL
g’nightall
I do not trust Survey USA’s polling, for Obamabots indicated they would vote for McCain in order to alter the results.
Night, Experience.
SUSA also has North Dakota going blue AND Obama losing the black vote (it’s only 1% of the population, but REALLY?)
Night, experience.
basil9,
Here is the link to Hillary’s statement saying NO to a CAUCUS:
[Update, 6:30 p.m. In an interview with U.S. News & World Report, Senator Clinton had this to say about the process going forward:
I would not accept a caucus. I think that would be a great disservice to the 2 million people who turned out and voted. I think that they want their votes counted. And you know a lot of people would be disenfranchised because of the timing and whatever the particular rules were. This is really going to be a serious challenge for the Democratic Party because the voters in Michigan and Florida are the ones being hurt, and certainly with respect to Florida the Democrats were dragged into doing what they did by a Republican governor and a Republican Legislature. They didn’t have any choice whatsoever. And I don’t think that there should be any do-over or any kind of a second run in Florida. I think Florida should be seated.]
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/fla-senator-to-dnc-pay-for-a-new-primary/#more-4457
Hey, guys, has anyone else heard the claim that it was really BO that won Texas because of the caucus results????? (Heard it on NPR.)
Emmy, all that matters to me is the popular vote, not a rediculous caucus.
They said that BO will really get more delegates, but I don’t get it at all.
Emmy, he is FOS.
The caucus votes in Texas haven’t even been fully counted yet. 40% are in as of the last count I know, but that leaves a great deal left to be counted.
More than half of the precincts in Texas have not reported the caucus results. And Travis County, one of Obama’s strongholds, is almost fully reported.
Yeah, becuase of the ludicrous caucus. She won the popular vote. That’s what matters.
Yes, Hussein Obama did get more votes from TX because of he got more delegates from the caucus and how the delegates are distributed. This again shows how screwed up the caucus system is. Actually this is good. It definitely proves his wins in those caucuses are extremely skewed.
an hr ago usa today saying not even half caucus results in
Besides, Texas has lodged over a few thousand complaints for the Caucus. It is pretty much regarded as a joke here today.
Don’t give that caucus crap any weight.
The Texas caucus votes have not been counted and may not be counted until this summer, please don’t mislead anyone here. Those delegates, as all caucus delegates, will not be pledged either.
I was told the other night that the primary winner in Texas got 2/3 of the delegates and the caucus winner got 1/3. So even if he won the caucus, he wouldn’t get more delegates. Something is screwy.
THERE WILL NOT BE A CAUCUS IN MICHIGAN because HILLARY opposes it and the MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY wants agreement from
all parties.
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/fla-senator-to-dnc-pay-for-a-new-primary/#more-4457
And from Michigan:
The state’s Democratic chairman Mark Brewer issued this statement:
“We are currently in negotiations over the seating of a Michigan delegation to the National Convention. Any resolution must be agreeable to all four interested parties: the M.D.P., the D.N.C., and both the Clinton and Obama campaigns because we all want a united Democratic Party in Michigan to ensure a victory for the Democratic nominee this fall. A McCain presidency would continue the failed policies of the Bush Administration that hurt Michigan jobs, keep health care out of reach for millions, and make our country less safe. I am confident that we will reach a compromise that will result in Michigan being a full participant at the national convention.”
Note Mark Brewer’s point that “any resolution must eb agreeable to all four interested parties”
BOTTOM LINE: There will not be a caucus in Michigan since Hillary is opposed to it.
Am I the only person who thinks maybe an Obamaton pulled a William Ayers on the Times Square recruiting center? Seriously, I wouldn’t put it past them. Those hopium smokers are fucking crazy, ya’ll.
And for someone who mentioned above, yes, Obambi’s counties *have* been counted, it is the others that haven’t. There is a real possibility that Hillary actually won the caucus (which I don’t give any weight regardless of who wins it). Caucus is a joke and disenfranchises people.
I want to be told that that guy on NPR was WRONG and full of s***t!!
I will be surprised if any state aside from Iowa holds a caucus in 2012.
No wait, I won’t, America is stupid.
He’s full of shit, Emmy.
We had an eco-terrorist attack in WA this week and now a bomb scare in NYC. :/
Wow. Look at this from mediamatters. We have to get competitive like this
Here is a link to the article;
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200803040004?f=h_column and an excerpt follows:
How do we do this? What blog on Hillary’s side has the capability and $$$ to
do this?
Here is an excerpt:
“But nearly 15,000 letters sent in just a matter of days in response to a single
news wire
article? That’s something else entirely and could mark the dawn of a new era in
progressive media activism. The phenomenon has received very little mainstream
media
attention (journalists probably don’t want to encourage this sort of thing), but
make no
mistake: It was a very big deal…..
What prompted the organized outpouring of angst last week against the AP was
when the
website Firedoglake took action, embraced a new organizing tool, tapped into a
wellspring of enthusiasm for Obama, and pointed angry readers not in the
direction of the
AP itself, but toward their local newspaper clients. Why? Because newspapers are
more
responsive to complaints filed by nearby readers, and because the newspapers pay
the
AP’s bills as newswire customers.
The riddle, though, was how to help readers contact hundreds of individual
newspapers
nationwide. “It’s like trying to wrestle an octopus,” says Jane Hamsher, founder
of FDL. The
solution centered on customizing a software tool that allowed online activists
to
effortlessly contact their local daily. The tool FDL modified was created by the
online
communications firm Blue State Digital. Readers simply entered their ZIP code
into an on-
screen box. The next screen displayed the local newspaper (or newspapers) in
their region
to be contacted and asked readers to enter their name and other personal
information to
be sent to the newspaper. The screen provided readers with pre-approved text
(i.e., “I
hope that in the future we can expect reporting that focuses on the candidate’s
positions
rather than trying to call into question how much they love the country they
tirelessly
serve.”)”
I promised myself I wouldn’t come to Big Pink tonight because i’m not getting much of anything else done, but here I am. I’m addicted. What should I do?
TPS, Joe,
thanks for the tips. i will check them tomorrow. Today was a rough one and must lie down but I’m interested in pursuing the brazile effect on Florida and michigan and her role in devising these excessive sanctions.
Night all.
an obamabot may have done something like that…..they are obviously very gullible….
I was so upset with NPR I had to come here and ventilate. I love you guys.
Wow. this is amazing. We have to try this. It’s a way to find local papers and send letters to editor immediately and en masse. the technology is on Firedoglake, apparently.
Here is a link to the article;
www. mediamatters.org/columns/200803040004?f=h_column and an excerpt follows:
How do we do this? What blog on Hillary’s side has the capability and $$$ to
do this?
Here is an excerpt:
“But nearly 15,000 letters sent in just a matter of days in response to a single
news wire
article? That’s something else entirely and could mark the dawn of a new era in
progressive media activism. The phenomenon has received very little mainstream
media
attention (journalists probably don’t want to encourage this sort of thing), but
make no
mistake: It was a very big deal…..
What prompted the organized outpouring of angst last week against the AP was
when the
website Firedoglake took action, embraced a new organizing tool, tapped into a
wellspring of enthusiasm for Obama, and pointed angry readers not in the
direction of the
AP itself, but toward their local newspaper clients. Why? Because newspapers are
more
responsive to complaints filed by nearby readers, and because the newspapers pay
the
AP’s bills as newswire customers.
The riddle, though, was how to help readers contact hundreds of individual
newspapers
nationwide. “It’s like trying to wrestle an octopus,” says Jane Hamsher, founder
of FDL. The
solution centered on customizing a software tool that allowed online activists
to
effortlessly contact their local daily. The tool FDL modified was created by the
online
communications firm Blue State Digital. Readers simply entered their ZIP code
into an on-
screen box. The next screen displayed the local newspaper (or newspapers) in
their region
to be contacted and asked readers to enter their name and other personal
information to
be sent to the newspaper. The screen provided readers with pre-approved text
(i.e., “I
hope that in the future we can expect reporting that focuses on the candidate’s
positions
rather than trying to call into question how much they love the country they
tirelessly
serve.”)”
linfar: there is a scene in the Howard Hawkes western El Dorado where the experienced gun hand (John Wayne) tells his young partner that he likes to have the other guy mad at him because a good gunfighter cannot allow himself to get mad because then he is not so good.
Dont you think that is precisely what is going on now in the Obama camp. First, there is his open declaration to go negative which gives him nowhere to hide and makes him the problem.
Second, if the campaign is calling Hillary supporters in Ohio Archie Bunkers, not only does the shoe not fit (since Bunker would not support a woman) but this reinforces the elitist perception that people have of him.
Third, the improvident statement of his foreign policy advisor invites scrutiny of the other foolish things she has said which can now be imputed to him.
signing off you all. I agree with Emmy. this place is addictive
YAY!! With 100% of the precincts reporting, we win the Texas Primaries 51%-47%, more than 100,000 votes. I think Texas is officially into play. Hillary won Texas only winning 1 out of the 4 largest metropolitan areas (mainly due to the large AA population). When she is the nominee, she will definitely have the backing of the AA community.
One more,
Since Carville and begala were thrown off the talk show circuit coz BO complained they’re too partisan, why is Brazille allowed on Blitzer, Tweetie and all the rest? She is CLEARLY in the tank with BO. I’m gonna work on that tomorrow, too.
Any thoughts would be welcome.
Oh, how great of Hamsher to the mat for BO.
Guys, Yahoo headline is that discredited story about Hillary and NAFTA. WTF?
mj, just relax! Don’t get upset about every headline out there.
Does anyone have Jane Hamshers email address?
But that story has been discredited.
Lies have a life of their own, mj. This NAFTA lie needs to be squelched thoroughly, but how?
It won’t go anywhere. Everyone is trying to cover themselves in the gov
LOL…MJ, you’re gonna have a stroke before this is all over.
I am going to reminise about this past Tuesday. I loved when Hillary was giving her victory speech and she said her website address and the whole crowd said it right along with her. I thought that was great.
“They are the most crooked, you know, lying group I’ve ever seen, it’s scary.”
guess who?
Caroline, you know, I was thinking just today that I love her in red. I hope she burned that butt ugly yellow jacket, though. Oy…that color doesn’t even look good on bumble bees.
well bambi is supposed to be doing a doozy ad on Hillary in Mississippi using Hillary’s own words. Don’t know what it is but its supposed to be damaging to her.
that is why Hillary has not now hit his campaign with the stuff that he is letting his advisors say about Hillary…look what they did to bill c and shaheen. tit for tat
bambi can’t bloody us up without us going toe to toe. we have to fight back agressively and i think hillary supporters want that powderbitch called out. I do.
“They are the most crooked, you know, lying group I’ve ever seen, it’s scary.”
Us? LOL! Yay…we’re monsters!!
lol, I have to say red is great
Hillary Clinton speaks at a rally in Canton, Mississippi on cnn live now!
Jake has the “monster” story up now…
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-foreign-p.html
Why is there so much hate for Hillary on dailykos?? It’s borderline psychotic.
I love that Jake quotes Obambi about firing his staff in particular situations and openly wonders if Powers should be fired. LMAO
Idunn, as a guy here is my two cents worth on the yellow jacket. I thought it looked great on her. Made her look younger.
We need to get this tool. How do we get access to it?
I heard his new ad is about Ken Starr and the 90’s………he better think twice about this strategy………can HRC respond with an ad on Rezko, or maybe NAFTA-Gate, or maybe Aiuci, or maybe the Weather Underground, or maybe his Illinois senate career, or maybe an ad about his inexperience on foreign policy, or him skipping the Mississippi JJ Dinner, the Georgia JJ Dinner, and the BSOTU in Louisiana, all AA events.
Obama Foreign Policy Adviser Calls Clinton a ‘Monster’
March 06, 2008 9:49 PM
Sen. Barack Obaman, D-Ill., may be reluctant to throw a punch at Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. — but at least one adviser doesn’t appear to be, at least when she thinks she’s off the record.
Samantha Power, the executive director and founder of the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy at Harvard, is touring Europe to promote a book, and she gave an interview with The Scotsman, which quotes her saying of Clinton, “We f***** up in Ohio. In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win. She is a monster, too — that is off the record — she is stooping to anything.”
Power said, “you just look at her and think: ergh. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive.”
The newspaper notes that “If a conversation is to be off the record, that agreement is usually thrashed out before the interview begins. Sometimes, public figures say something and then attempt to retract it by insisting it was ‘off the record’ after the event. But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published…
“In this instance, Samantha Power was promoting her book and it was established in advance that the interview was on the record.”
In December, Obama said he had “been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time.”
Would this count? Should Power be fired by the Obama standard?
- jpt
Why is there so much hate for Hillary on dailykos?? It’s borderline psychotic.
Because everyone who posts there has a bad case of pubescent acne and can’t get laid.
jr, why does a dog bark at the sun? It is the same kind of thing at DailyKooks.
Idunn, as a guy here is my two cents worth on the yellow jacket.
Uh huh…and are you a GAY guy? Because if not, your fashion sense is highly suspect.
I mean, they complained about the 3 a.m. phone call when it made no mention of Sen. Obama or of his inability to answer the phone call. He chose to respond.
I like yellow, but not in the shade of her coat and not paired with black. But a ligher yellow paired with blues, thumbs up!
why does a dog bark at the sun?
Who’s dog barks at the sun, fer chrissake?? TPS, are you havning some kind of meltdown? LOL!
Ugh…the only thing that should wear THAT color of yellow is fucking frenches mustard.
jr Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I mean, they complained about the 3 a.m. phone call when it made no mention of Sen. Obama or of his inability to answer the phone call. He chose to respond.
Exactly Jr. It was really an ad about her. It talks about her relationships with leaders around the world and her knowledge of the military.
Idunn, well I am not a gay guy (not that there is anything wrong with that), but as a hetero guy I did like that yellow jacket. I think it looks cool on her. I really do.
I suggest everyone link to the Jake Tapper Political Punch article in their other excursions into the great wide internet unknown.
Or the shit you find inside of steamed crabs.
::shudder::
I dislike her Sunday yellow and also the brown.
on hot days, stray dogs do that Idunn. Hillary is the sun and DailyKooks is, well, you get the drift.
I did like that yellow jacket
yellowjacket.
LMAO!
She is a monster, too
How can he take a 3:00am phone call when he’s afraid of monsters? Maybe we should buy him a nightlight.
I’m on CNN. Where do I find the feed?
I love the yellow jacket!
TPS, do you know anything about Wyoming?
Oh boy, we have some tough dress critics here, LOL!
on hot days, stray dogs do that Idunn.
ONLY stray dogs? And ONLY on hot days?
Oh my sides…ya’ll a freaking killing me tonight.
I love her in yellow and brown. So where is the feed?
MORE ARGUMENTS AGAINST REVOTES AND CAUCUSES:
I’m already against revotes in FL/MI.
But here are some *tasty* arguments against caucuses, here/now, and forever:
* Our troops overseas (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.) CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
* People in hospitals, confined to homes, etc. CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
* College studentnts away from home CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
* People working “inconvenient hours” CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
etc… (please come up with more, to fill in the blanks. Then, we’ll put that in more formal position papers to provide to HRC’s campaign, and to the fuckhead in MSM
Thanks Emmy for standing up for me here.
Tiny Dancer,
“We had an eco-terrorist attack in WA this week”
And I smelled a rat right off the bat. ELF always takes credit on the internet and even issues video releases to the media, not spray-paint “ELF” on an old bedsheet. They’re very high-tech, not primitive.
With all the homebuilders and real estate developers going under, my first thought was somebody burned down some $2 million dollar homes they weren’t going to be able to sell.
Is hill still on? I’d like to see it but can’t find the feed.
If anyone wants a little humor break, here’s an SNL skit with Monica Lewinsky testifying in Congress.
They spliced Molly Shannon with cuts to actual members of Congress and there’s a bunch of people relevant to this election. Plus, Hillary!
video.aol.com/partner/hulu/saturday-night-live-monica-lewinsky-in-congress/RsM6kboO7ML7GzTAibYsw_6S33__XQ_Z
Now if I could find the video of Monica/Bill/Saddam on party phone. “Monica, you never call me anymore!”
my favorites are the black, red, blue with yellow, yellow jacket, brown
LOL
lol a nightlight lmao
meiyingsu, Wyoming will be tough for Hillary because it is a caucus.
in that order of preference…..like she cares
TPS, do you know anything about Wyoming?
It’s where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain.
No wait…that’s Oklahoma. I dunno shit about Wyoming, I guess.
Anyone know if she is stillon or where I can find the feed?
I just don’t like Hill in brown, everything else is a-ok for me, and I know about colors
linfar
If I remember correctly, hillary still has a small metal teapot presented to her by the famous woman who won the Nobel PP (maybe shared it) for the work done to try and end the “troubles.”
The Irish women who had become a force of nature for peace wanted to recognize Hillary’s concern and contribution. She used the words “I cherish it.” It was the actual teapot that they used at those meetings. And yes, Hillary participated in many of those kitchen table planning/negociating/finding common ground get togethers.
I probably don’t have all the facts, or have them all correctly…but the gist is here. I’m sure the facts are on the net somewhere.
I do remember she teared up a bit when she was telling the story and showing off her pot. I just out and out bawled.
Sorry, mj, don’t know.
She was still on a second ago, but I got off cause CNN’s feed rarely works right on my computer
I favorite is red, especially the one she wore on Tuesday. She was just sparkling, her hair was perfect. I like her in her dark blue too. I want to see her wearing hot pink.
Obama’s doing an ad about Starr and the ’90s? LOL, ancient history, dude.
Also, Samantha Power has to be one of the dumbest people alive. Even if you’re THINKING these things, why in hell would you ever say them to a journalist, on or off the record?
I like her best in light pink.
“Make it work.”
Paula, Obama seems to have a coterie of academically smary but otherwise tone deaf advisors.
Obama’s doing an ad about Starr and the ’90s? LOL, ancient history, dude.
Time for Obama to join the 21st century….talk about behind the times.
Obama’s doing an ad about Starr and the ’90s?
Is he such a fucktard that he doesn’t even realize how the hell that’s gonna go over with Democrats??!!
Allright, allright, Idunn, caroline, TD, hawk, mj, I take my fashion critique back, and I won’t venture in that direction again (sheesh).
Hillary gave a good speech in MS on cnn live. Glad I caught it.
Watch out Obama, Ken Starr has a way of making Clinton approval ratings skyrocket!
TPS: I like the yellow jacket too, just not as much as the red
TPS, when I met my hubby he was wearing yellow shoes. YELLOW SHOES.
He still to this day asks me if I know where those butt ugly things went to.
Thanks dedfg, feel a little better now.
I always wonder where people’s log in names come from. Dedfg, yours really bugs me.
…but I have to say if I saw yellow shoes….well, I might have nightmares about that color too. LOL
Idunn, that I will not wear. I agree that is a stretch. Maybe they were sneakers?
call me ded then
I always wonder where people’s log in names come from. Dedfg, yours really bugs me.
a passive aggressive statement?
mine comes by the first letters of my first, middle, and last names. That is it.
dedfg, Idunn is just kidding.
Maybe they were sneakers?
No, his sneakers are always way cute…Vans, with pirates, or pink playboy bunnies, or flying saucers. I let him keep those.
The yellow ones were….ugh…ankle boots.
dedfg, Idunn is just kidding.
oh, I don’t think so
a passive aggressive statement?
LOL…no no…it’s like when you see those liscence plates, and you can’t figure them out. It just bugs me that I can’t figure out what your names stands for. That’s all.
sure
LOL…so what DOES it stand for?
I have yellow heels. I love them. But ankle boots…no.
A few Hillary Accomplishments in Foreign Relations
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/26/america/clinton.php
As first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton jawboned the president of Uzbekistan to leave his car and shake hands with people. She argued with the Czech prime minister about democracy. She cajoled Catholic and Protestant women to talk to one another in Northern Ireland. She traveled to 79 countries in total, little of it leisure; one meeting with mutilated Rwandan refugees so unsettled her that she threw up afterward.
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Took on the Taliban 8 year before Bush
“The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan. ”
http://www.firstladies.org/biographies/f irstladies.aspx?biography=43
hi all!!! ive missed eveyone since our “celebration” tues night/ wed morning! i’m totally outta the media loop as far as whats going on… ive been swamped at the boutique with all of our sping fashions that have come in the last few days… working till early am and have been too dead when i get home to do more than have some vino… AND last night was the project runway finale, so i didnt even bother with the poli news… just living on the high of the three wins… hope the news is still positive…???? hoping??? please tell me the media hasnt turned on us????
nice try…
But ankle boots…no.
Well, GUY ankle boots…shoe boots…I don’t know what the hell ya call them. But damn they were ugly.
Diva!! Hi!
Project runway! whoop!
I’m going to miss that show.
Hi Diva. We have to get Samantha Power fired.
I’m going to miss that show.
Cheer up…Top Chef starts Wednesday.
Media summary : Ohioans are racist, stupid, obsessed; Hillary is a monster; and Obama jumped in his Delorian and activated the flux capictor to the 90s to sling some mud at Hillary.
@idunn…. just read the last coupla posts…you guys talking abt christians shoes on the runway last night? who is samantha power????
Watch Christian show up on Top Chef.
I did the “caucus persuasion” script today into Wyoming and most of my people slammed the phone down before I could even get a word out. Something is hinky in Wyoming. Are they getting any polling out of there. Something feels weird and I was so enthused since my county I worked so hard in Texas really did what they said they’d do on the phone to me.
I wish there was a real tip line that we could send suggestions to her team. I know I have personal knowledge of Wva … whisperings going on, etc and I need to pass those along to be sure they get to them. “contact us” isn’t reassuring and I’ll be honest her team in National HQ does not impress me.
Anyone who has a way to reach the team besides Admin here .. I already sent there.. say so and ask adm for my email addy. We need to talk.
you guys talking abt christians shoes on the runway last night?
No, the shoes my husband was wearing when I met him.
who is samantha power????
HWSNBN’s foreign policy advisor. She called Hillary a monster, so you and I have to get her fired tomorrow.
All caught up now?
dot48, maybe most of them are republican.
dot, you can call the press office and ask to speak to someone other than the five year old who answers the phone there
HWSNBN’s foreign policy advisor. She called Hillary a monster, so you and I have to get her fired tomorrow.
I WANNA HELP!!!!
also, loved the DeLorian analogy
priceless
And you missed all the fun with Fl/Mi and the almost caucus that wasn’t so we’re back to square one and Sharpton threatening to demonstrate again
@tiny: oh pleez! how could the ohioans be racist… the friggin kept the polls open fo barry’s cherrypicjked districts and he still lost??? hillary’s a monster… is that new news to them? theve been saying that for 16 yrs… 90’s mudd??? maybe they should call ken starr??? that rove payrolled @&*$^$’er couldnt come up with sh*t even with $70M, so what are they gonna find now?? i’m not worried…ppl were over whitewater before they released the findings…. F ‘EM!
I WANNA HELP!!!!
Okay, you come up with the idea, we’ll do the footwork.
We need to collect a list of threats
Sharpton
Wilder
Brazile
etc
and publicize them
idunn…have poster at another board who goes by mmddssff …I think he/she says they used a bunch of vowels. I’m with you, I always wonder about user names
I started a thread on that forum about what is behind your user name? It was quite popular.
maybe they should call ken starr???
They don’t have to. Their just gonna do a Ken Starr attack ad.
(I can’t even say that with a straight face! HWSNBN is such a moron! LOL!)
Mine is because I was watching Friends and Phoebe was doing her hold me close young Tony Danza thing and then I decided to go with that, but I’m a girl, so I used the actual words. And I’m tiny and I dance, so it fits.
why would we be calling republicans in Wyoming to remind them to friggin caucus. I surely to god hope our list is better than that! I wanna call democrats dammit
@idunn: i’m IN! i have the whole day free tomorrow! lets get the b*tch! i thought sara rice would be the one that would call hillary names…. who knew? sam powers? she’s on my list… she betta watch out!
@tiny: i talked to my mom tonite in fl… she filled me in a little … apparently crist says they wanna do a re-do? it’ll be an open or closed primary? when i lived in fl i think it was open down there…
I think there’s 2 Democrats total I Wyoming?
I’m a huge Norse Mythology freak…and Idunn is my favorite norse goddess.
::thinking::
How the hell can we get Sammy fired? Hmmmm….
::thinking::
Has anyone seen that negative ad in MS about Hillary?
OK IDunn
I’ll add that to the list of contacting all the papers in PA and WY with Rezko/natl security stuff
developing the threat list from DNC Official SD’s and others
Phone Banking
Lobbying for no Florida REvote
and painting an insert for a bathroom window with a giant pink flamingo
No Birdgal. What is it?
and yes, the National Headquarters representative has not received high marks from me. anyone with power..ask them to get someone better. I’m not so sure she has a grasp on what is at stake here..she laughs a lot and says, yeah, I’ll pass it along .. nonchalant like.
Crist was open to a re-do, but then he said seat the delegates as is. They ALMOST authorized a caucus in Michigan (or a firehouse primary?) but 1. Hillary smacked them down and said no caucus and 2. they couldn’t afford it. It was a very bi-polar day in Mi/FL land.
I want to go to your boutique! I need to do some fun spring/summer shopping. I’m getting my hair diiid tomorrow, maybe I’ll go afterwards when I feel all purty.
Here’s a quote from Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm of Michigan:
“If there is a redo, it has to be inclusive,” she said. “Whatever it is would have to be a primary-like election.”
and the article goes on to say:
“Michigan officials did not estimate the cost of a new election, but party leaders involved in negotiating a solution said that a full statewide election, as opposed to a caucus, could cost as much as $10 million.”
Here’s an idea (and my guess it will never get done because it makes too much sense), but why not just seat the Florida delegates as per the original vote since both parties played under the same rules, and then have the Hillary, the DNC and bambi’s each pay for 1/3 of a re-do primary in Michigan. Cost to each party involved would be around 3.33 million.
Hillary could even have a special on-line fund-raising event to help pay for her 1/3.
Here’s the link to the full story:
w w w.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/us/politics/07delegates.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
Does anyone have the text from the BO campaign impugning OH voters?
Idunn: someone posted about a negative/damaging ad about Hillary in MS. I haven’t seen it. Just checking to see, if anyone had seen it.
re: my username… divabunny is the name of one of my yorkies…. her name was gonna be bunny, but one of hubby’s names for me was diva… then we picked bunny up from the airport and she turned into a bigger diva than ME, so now she is the diva of the house… hence the birth of “divabunny”!
btw… are we REALLT worried abt ken starr attack ads???? REALLY? the clintons have been vetted like no one else in the history of politics. PLEASE do not underestimate them. serioulsy! what other poli family has had to deal with secret mysterious deaths of their friends??? and this shit has been talked abt for almost 20 years. wtf is everyone woried abt????
@idunn: that is LOVE my friend if hubby was wearing heel booties! i bet he looked fierce and you couldnt resist1
Why the hell should HRC supporters pay for a do-over in Michigan?? Nobody forced Bambi to take his name off the damned ballot!
Uh uh…nonononono. I’m NOT paying for that shit.
dot, email ADMIN right away about this west v rumor. Did you get any hill people in your WY calls?
hawk,
brown was a fashionable color during the winter season.
I don’t think Ken starr has anything to do with the ad. I think someone was joking. there’s a new headline that idiot child man is trying to link hill’s fp with McCains, so maybe it has something to do with that.
i read something abt neg ads in MS abt something hrc said a long time ago bc they had never elected a female to high office in that state… so what? if they havent. they havent. she’s calling it like she sees it. whats the scandal in that???????????
that is LOVE my friend if hubby was wearing heel booties! i bet he looked fierce and you couldnt resist
Not exactly. I’m an earth mother, hippy type…he was a punk rocker. But deep down, he must have wanted to be a back to the earth granola boy, cause he is one now. The only shoes he owns now are either work boots or hiking boots. Go figure.
Divabunny: Apparently, Obama is bringing up the past garbage to throw at her. I hope, it backfires on him. People do not like negative campaigning. A previous poster said it was in her own words. He is zeroxing again. Remember the ad, where Obama states, during the debate, that he busy campaigning, and this why the subcommittee never had a meeting. Sounds like he is copying again.
BTW, my user name is easy, I like birds.
Idunn:
Personally I would help foot the bill for Hillary is she decided to go that route. Of course it’s not an ideal solution, but I just don’t think Michigan will have it’s delegates seated under the current circumstances since Hillary was the only one of the 2 on the ballot. I understand that bambi pulled his name off the ballot JUST TO MAKE SURE it would have that exact effect, but that’s where we are at today.
birdgal, BHO’s strategy is to recruit more republicans to the primary.
Then Bambi should have to pay for the do-over.
Whiny son of a bitch.
Diva…the quote you are speaking of is the one. Hil later came out and apologized for it sounding derogatory towards Miss. but some staffer dug it up and there ya go…instant smear ad
some bot staffer
Levon – great idea.
Basil9 – excellent project plans for tomorrow – you go!
Everyone – got home from work and checking in to see what I missed since the new post.
This place is addictive…. thank God for this place! Let me say, thanks to all of you!
By the way, I think that if WOMEN left the Democratic party, it might have a more devastating effect on the future of the party than anyone else seceeded. (No offense to our brother Hillfriends in this community.) But, if Bambi and Dean engineered these mulligans for BO and in so doing, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (again), it may be time to ressurect the National Woman’s Party. We could scarcely do a worse job. Backwards and in high heels, y’all!
Anyone interested? Sign me up:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Woman’s_Party
divabunny:
You’re right about the content of the Mississippi ad… it has to do with a comment Hillary made about Mississippi never electing a woman to any high office (or something to that effect). Hillary has since apologized for that remark. They discussed that ad on Hannity and Colmes this evening on Fox.
Boy, Bambi really doesn’t know how to play dirty, does he? Hell, I could come up with a whomper stomper attack ad on mother theresa if I had to.
That’s about women voting in women. Duh. MS is a repub state. They are seriously using that in an ad?
http://www.wyomingalmanac.com/
I don’t think we have a prayer. Seems a protest thing against the first adm.
Per Jake Tapper:
In December, Obama said he had “been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time.”
Are you all serious? That’s the ad?
okay… so he’s gonna try to throw the kitchen cabinets… theyre old old cabinets… we’ve all seen em… theres nothing new there… no one will be impressed… old news is boring..no one cared before… all they cared abt was the bj and the blue dress… the msm and the american public is de-sensitized to the word “whitewater”…. every single person knows that is old news…if there was something there, hrc woulda never been elected to senator!
all she has to say is “special counsel that was appointed by MY HUSBAND spent 70M of YOUR money and didnt find anything! they are reaching and there is nothing there!” then she says REZCO!!!!!!!!!!
@idunn: i cant believe you guys havent moved to a’ville!!! we are the granola capitol!!!
A reminder on pledge delegates
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html
“Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or on the first ballot,” a recent DNC memo states. “A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required.”
meiyingsu Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
If he keeps appealing to the Republicans, he won’t have any Democratic voters. Way to go, degrade the woman to appeal to conservative men. He’ll do anything to win. Wait, I’ve heard that line before. Didn’t he say that about HRC in SC? The guy is slime.
whats the media doing? has tweety turned on us again?
Informed In Illinois:
Thanks bro (or sis??) ! I think it makes a lot of sense too. The other thing I saw that makes some sense is giving Hillary the delegates she earned in the original Michigan vote, and giving bambi the uncommitted delegates from Michigan.
That final vote was something like 55% (Hillary) – 44 (uncommitted), so I think Hillary would agree to that.
The uncommitted was basically votes for Edwards, Richardson, Biden(?), bambi and whoever else took their name off the ballot, so bambi’s total portion of that would have been maybe 30 % or so, so he could see that as favorable outcome as well.
no to whoever asking about Wyoming. after reading above almanac I sense a bit of hatred for clinton there. lost cause in wy.
btw… do you guys remember the other night when lifar put her diary on mydd and it got deleted? remember when i posted and suggested that she contact jon at http://www.savagepolitics.com and ask him if she could post it there as a guest commentator? well….. go take a look! linfar’s “follow the money” is posted on jon’s site! yippeee! its good to have friends!
i havent seen her on here since, so it didnt know, but when i logged into jon’s site… sure enough! there was linfar!
Hi Everyone!! Re: Wyoming
My roommate in college was from Jackson Hole, WY and she was CRAZY- and very very racist- incredibly racist towards African-Americans. She was also uptight, and had conspiracy theory thoughts going on in her head all the time… and to tell you the truth, I think that’s how a lot of people in WY are! I think it’s because they’re all so isolated there.
There is a HUGE angle on this Powers mess. She gave insulted, impugned a former first lady, a respected US Senator and a presidential candidate to a FOREIGN newspaper. OMG
@levon: MI was 50 HRC and 40 uncomitted… he and edwards took their names of on purpose bc they knew they would lose there…is anyone talking abt that????
Katharine, but it looks like BHO will win big in Wyoming.
dot48 Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
no to whoever asking about Wyoming. after reading above almanac I sense a bit of hatred for clinton there. lost cause in wy.
Read some of the almanac, they hate the Clintons. A lot of hostility there.
Meiyingsu- I know, which is funny to me, I think it’s just because it’s a caucus and most people probably wouldn’t even bother going to a caucus anyway!
Oh and as much as WY people don’t like African-Americans I think they hate women even more! So there you go, WY is a crazy state… it’ll go to McCain later on anyway.
divabunny:
>he and edwards took their names of on purpose bc they knew they would lose there…is anyone talking >abt that??
read my first post, I mention that every time I bring this subject up
The final number for MI were 55/40, I just double-checked. I still think there’s a chance bambi would take the 40 and run.
Ben Smith on Politico has the “monster” story, as does Fox. Sorry I have no links. Read it on TM.
Re Wyoming, I’ll repeat an idea from yesterday – Send Jack Nicholson and Ted Danson door-to-door in Jackson Hole and some other areas filled with rugged individuals – he has property there, doesn’t he?
Lots of people seem to forget they’re talking about a former first lady here. Would we talk of Eleanore Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy or Nancy Reagan that way?
Guys,
I have to repost this….
this is the angle that will incense LARGE numbers of people…
There is a HUGE angle on this Powers mess. She gave insulted, impugned a former first lady, a respected US Senator and a presidential candidate to a FOREIGN newspaper. OMG
~ ~what a difference a day makes~~
read the whole story
http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/03/dnc_voting_righ_2.phpDNC Voting Rights
Institute Chair Donna Brazile Testifies On Protecting the Right to Vote from Intimidation
March 7, 2007
On the anniversary of “Bloody Sunday” commemorating the civil and voting rights march over the Edmund Pettus Bridge in which demonstrators were assaulted by state troopers, Democratic National Committee Voting Rights Institute Chair Donna Brazile testified before the House Judiciary Committee on the need to protect the right to vote from acts of intimidation, harassment, fraud and abuse. The hearing was held on a bill introduced by Democrats entitled the “Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007″, which would define deceptive election practices and increase the criminal penalties for those who attempt to practice voter fraud and intimidation.
Just last year, Congress renewed the historic Fannie Lou Hamer, Rosa Parks, and Coretta Scott King Voting Rights Act of 1965 which ensured that voters could exercise their rights free from intimidation and harassment. But recent elections have shown that the right to vote remains vulnerable because of those who target poor communities, minorities, seniors and young people. The practice of disenfranchising Americans has become more sophisticated including phone jamming operations, misleading mailers, outright intimidation by using poll watchers and lack of resources to process voter registration forms thereby forcing Americans to cast provisional ballots.
In her testimony, Brazile pointed out that, “The rise in voter harassment and voter intimidation is a direct result of some political operatives – often with the blessing of their political leaders trying to gain an electoral advantage at the ballot box. This practice of discouraging people from voting, from schemes that misinform or challenge the electoral status of eligible citizens to participate, should be outlawed in this nation.”
Brazile called on the United States to lead the way, saying that, “The United States of America must lead by example. While the US encourages other nations to adopt broad democratic principles and reform, we need to make a basic policy decision that it is in the best interest of our democratic form of government to encourage all eligible citizens to register and vote.”
Finally, Brazile called on Congress, with bipartisan support from Republicans and the Bush Administration, to pass critical legislation that would work to remove impediments to the ballot box.
For a full copy of Donna Brazile’s testimony click here.
white women will flock to the polls in droves now that obama has aired that advertisement.
people used to say nasty things about Eleanor Roosevelt and Nancy Reagan.
Yes, great angle, Ann! The surrogates are really getting nasty out there right now. And BO out there trying to say he’s going to try not to go negative. What a bunch of crap!
the wyo key-are folks for clinton being trained and training folsk in wyo on how to caucus? sithis caucus dem only? in ms is the priamry closed? who is running their ms operation?
again, for the record:
In her testimony, Brazile pointed out that, “The rise in voter harassment and voter intimidation is a direct result of some political operatives – often with the blessing of their political leaders trying to gain an electoral advantage at the ballot box. This practice of discouraging people from voting, from schemes that misinform or challenge the electoral status of eligible citizens to participate, should be outlawed in this nation.”
Texan, it probably won’t matter. Dem’s in deep redstates who bother to caucus tend to be the most liberal.
In Wyoming or any caucus state, you just have to have more people from your team show up to CAUCUS than the other team. Turnout is ridiculously low – So, for example, if you can round up only 10,000 HRC supporters state-wide, but only 20,000 people total care to caucus, you can win it. It doesn’t matter if it reflects the will of the electorate or not – in fact, I would bet it usually doesn’t. It reflects the will of those who are best at organizing those who have an interest in one outcome over another.
BHO’s people gamed the system well – motivating their own and the Republican’s zealots. Ordinary citizens like myself (even those who pay attention to politics) didn’t realize that there were so many states using caucuses in lieu of primaries – or that BHO had worked them to his advantage – until we were well under way.
Spacegirl: DB sounds like a hypocrite. Her guy’s campaign is using many of those techniques to intimidate the voters for the opposition. And, that is not even talking about MI and FL.
watching sharpton on oreilly… empty threats… am i the only one that watched the snl cartoon???? STOP THE MADNESS PEOPLE!!! the more sharpton speaks out on behalf of barry, the more it helps us!!! AAs even realize that he hurts their cause WAY MORE than it helps them! he is a JOKE! let him threaten to march and riot… sharpton perpetuates the stereotype that AAs are trying to shed!
heading to bed gang
have to think about the blog I am going to be compelled to write in reference to D. Brazile hypocracy
btw… i sent this to admin, but they didnt see fit to post… whatevs! here is a funny video…
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAL5KtjC90
D Brazile
Just Words?
very funny humorous video… take a look… NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAL5KtjC90
Divabunny: I saw that SNL cartoon. It is soooo true! I wonder, if Sharpton saw it?
g’nite space… you gonna be here in the morning? we hafta get someone fired! btw… i’m sending you the response email from the ohio reporter i emailed re: the nafta story… start at the bottom and read up…
mj:
here’s the link regarding the Mississippi ad:
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/06/obama-radio-ad-targets-clinton%e2%80%99s-mississippi-comments/
LoL, I love Chappelle. Black Tony Blair…
@levon… i read what you wrote abt bambi taking his name off by choice. been outta the loop… is the media talking abt this?
OK….and thanks for the laugh @ Chappelle
we’ll connect in the morning and get that woman on the next train back to yale to report o women’s volleyball again
it may save america
Post on TalkLeft about Obama decrying Samantha Power’s statments.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/6/23192/98631
Not enough, yo.
divabunny:
nah, i think i read that online somewhere a few weeks ago. besides you should know better than to think MSM would cover this. they are too busy trying to put their collective heads EVER FURTHER up their backsides.
SpacegirlArt:
You’re funny. I see you always declaring you are going to bed… then a few minutes later I see another post… and a few minutes later another post….
I know how you feel though, I do the samething all the time.
@levon… i’m with you as far as the msm… but i would think that someone would speak abt the fact that obama and edwards removed their names as a strategical move.
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.
Statement from Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: Sen. Obama decries such characterizations, which have no place in this campaign.
And no one apologizes to Ohio.
divabunny: the press won’t talk about obama and edwards removing their names as a strategic move, because that would lend more credence to Clinton. And they don’t want to give her an inch. It is such a sham.
And Samantha Powers is not fired. New politics, not.
@birdgal: then it is up to US to get the story out… does anyone have a link where barry said he would not condone that kind of behavior? i am free tomorrow so i can sent this stuff to everyone in the media in the upcoming races!
What the f**k??
Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired.
You just said the following about Hillary. We f***** up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.
“She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
Unless the definition of monster has changed within the past 24 hours, I don’t see how one could call somebody a monster, but say they admire her public service and leadership.
WHere did you all see the bad BO ad in Mississippi that you referenced above?
And, has anyone found a link to the SNL TV Funhouse segment from SNL with BO, Al and Jesse? I searched youtube to no avail.
The clinton campaign needs to spread this around like a wildfire. Hopefully somebody is on.
Diva Jake Tapper has it quoted at
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
In December, Obama said he had “been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time.”
It’s quite the harsh quote too, shouldn’t Obama himself come out against it instead of sending out a spokesman?
Divabunny: I am off tomorrow, not feeling well, so I can help in the a.m. I’m on the west coast, so there is a bit of a time difference.
from Tiny Dancer:
talkleft.com/story/2008/3/6/23192/98631
And didn’t Donna Brazille issue veiled threats the other day about campaigns getting personal? Or I mean about Hillary’s campaign getting personal and Dean having to step in?
I’m posting a lot tonight, oh self. Maybe I should get laid.
Informed In Illinois:
I saw the link at realclearpolitics.com. Left-hand margin about 1/2 way down the page, the link is titled: “Obama Targets Clinton in MS”.
puerto rico says yes to a primary
demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/breaking-puerto-rico-switches-to.html
@tiny: thank you for the link…
@informed… can you plz post a link to the statement you quoted so that i can use that in my emails to media in the states in upcoming races and also to send to msm outlets tomorrow? its just more credible to have links when emailing and asking/demanding them to cover.
TinyDancer:
then get your butt to Hawaii
From Texan’s link
The rationale? There’s no way we could handle more than a few tens of thousands of voters in eight district caucuses, while we can handle a million voters (at least 500 voters between 8am and 3 pm per polling place in each of 1,800+ barrios) in a primary.
So, Puerto Rico can figure this out and no one else can? Awesome. But yay PR!
Looks like Powers has issued a statement and the Obama campaign, can you guess what they said? Of course, they were just “misunderstood” is basically what it comes down to? Sounds familiar eh?
UPDATE: Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.
Statement from Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: Sen. Obama decries such characterizations, which have no place in this campaign.
YES PUERTO RICO!! Why didn’t they move it up to April or May?? Puerto Rico is winner takes all right??
Good article here…
news.scotsman.com/uk/Experience-begins-to-show-as.3854393.jp
@sam powers… blah blah blah… i say we let it go…. if we make mtns outta molehills, then they will to. bottom line is that we have bigger fish to fry… the msm in the upcoming states need to know abt rezco…. they need to be reminded of naftagate…. nafta may not affect them, but his “politics as usual” stance needs to be reminded!
jr:
I don’t think that’s true about Puerto Rico being winner takes all. I read somewhere that was a misconception (weeks ago and don’t remember the link… maybe wikipedia?). As far as I understand it, it’s proportional like all others.
But now that you mention it, why can’t they change that aspect of their election too? If they can change from a caucus to a primary, why couldn’t they vote to be winner-takes all?
Actually power reflects Obambi and is very close to him. I imagine her words are pretty much his. Here is an excerpt of an article I read about her…
Miss Power is the self proclaimed “genocide chick”, who won the Pullitzer Prize for her reporting from Bosnia.
She plays basketball with George Clooney and is the inspiration for the latest David Hare play.
This auburn haired Irish journalist is a professor at Harvard, the founder of a human rights think tank and was cited by Men’s Vogue as one of the most beautiful women in the world.
She is also one of Mr Obama’s most trusted advisers on foreign policy.
The would-be President of the United States texts her with, “It’s Obama, call me” in the middle of the night. Sir Nigel Sheinwald, the British Ambassador to Washington has already called on her three times.
Miss Power met the Senator in 2005, when he called her to discuss her genocide book.
divabunny, it gives a great talking point when the Obama campaign acts sanctimonious about how Obama is running a clean campaign.
Samantha Powers is also very anti-Israel.
Sorry, Diva – but which link? (or topic)
I posted this on the previous thread. This is related to something that BO said during the SC primary:
taken from a blog comment on the SC article:
“We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate.” Barack Obama
He is not practicing, what he preaches. Just words, no action to support them.
Everyone, this is civil war. I got into an argument with my BOSS today about the primary. I will not back down, just like Hillary. Fuck it, I know where the bodies are buried:)
p.s. Stephanie Miller (closet dyke) of Airhead America insults/trashes our HRC on a daily basis. Please send her your love:
stephanie@stephaniemiller.com
@informed: was looking for the link to powers’ comment, but looks like she’s already made her apology. i say we let it go.
@tps: of course she is very anti israel… ALL of his foreign policy advisors are… brez, rice and powers… that speaks volumes to his foreign policy goals. unf at this point, most woud call this conspiracy bs…. just wait though… this will become more apparent in the upcoming debates.
divabunny, don’t also forget Robert O’Malley another anti-Israeli Obama advisor.
With all these anti-Israel advisers, it may not play out well, during a GE with McCain. He is the opposite.
divabunny:
Let Power’s comments go? You mean like bambi’s campaign has let Hillary’s comments go regarding Mississippi AFTER she apologized for that remark? It’s a bad thing for one dem to say to another, and I think it should be pushed HARD.
By the way, I’m not trying to disparage you. You’re taking the high road which is noble. I guess I’m just not in the same forgiving mood as you are right now
divabunny:
Just let Powers’ comment go? You mean like they let Hillary’s comment about Mississippi go AFTER she apologized for that? I think Powers’ wretched comments should be spread far and wide.
I’m not disparaging you, as you are taking the high road. I guess I’m just not in the forgiving mood you are in tonight
MSNBC should just be ashamed. Just watching some of the replay on Olbermann, I know why they are doing this (young Obama voters) but it is just plain disgusting.
Diva, the Power comment is really big in many ways. She also disparaged Ohio in addition to calling names and generally coming off as very callous. This woman is Obambi’s foreign relations guru….that has serious implications.
Maybe it’s just me but I am seeing more anti-Hillary comments out on websites today. By saying he is going to be more negative, Obama is giving permission to his already hostile natured supporters to go out and and spread all kinds of rumors and negative comments. I have personally seen that his website has groups dedicated to targeting polls online. It’s not a stretch to think that he has groups dedicated to putting out negative Hillary commentary where ever they can. It’s going to get ugly. As someone noted on TM tonight just look at the MyDD website. They had been fairly balanced over there but it’s been overtaken by Obamabots writing all kinds of anti-Hillary crap. This blatent negativity will backfire on Obama as it will once again make his followers look like they are cult members rather than partisans. Plus, these attempts to be negative are so transparent they will diminish Obama’s theme of “hope and unity”. They just make him look like a down and dirty typical politician IMO…
I personally can’t watch olbermann anymore. He’s treating Hillary almost as bad as he treats Bush. I stopped watching him sometime around the end of January. It wouldn’t surprise me if he comes up with one of his ’special comments’ with Hillary as the subject.
Here’s the SNL TV FUNHOUSE – with Jesse Jackson, Sharpton:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/index.shtml#mea=224714
@levon: i see your point, but what i’m saying is… powers is an advisor… the msm isnt going to make sh*t of it… we can spend our time doing more by making sure that the media in the upcoming races is covering his rezco shit ad his flip flops… thoughts???
oops – was just posting the SNL TV FUNHOUSE – this works better (add the www)
nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/index.shtml#mea=224714
I’m way too tired to even be trying to comment here this evening, but I will just say that admin, these are my sentiments exactly:
“Bring it on Barack. We dare you. We double dare you.”
He really doesn’t want to “go there” right now. Not with all of the crap that’s out there just waiting to hit the fan where he’s concerned. Oh yes, bring it on and let’s see who’s really ready.
Kaffeen and all: then let’s play CNN against MSNBC – there are more HRC supporters who are women 25-50 – key demographic for most advertisers. That means there would be one cable network for each news-obsesses constituency in today’s America: sane moderate progressives (that’s us, I hope), the koolaid drinkers, and hate-mongering right-wingers.
heloooo???? am i the only one that knws the history w/olberman and page six??? the post was kind to put bill and hill walking in the park together and he hates that paper bc they posted the stories abt just how bad keith is in bed… his story has nothing to do w/the clintons it has to do w.the fact that the post exposed that he is a “quickfire”!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm
he has an axe to grind and its not hrc’s fault!
Thanks, ininla!
Why do I get the feeling that Dennis J. Kucinich is behind this move by Ohio SD?
Superdelegates play hardball
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8867.html
divabunny:
Valid points. However, I kinda’ see this as a flip-flop of sorts. His surrogates are spreading this sort of inflammatory rhetoric while he’s been espousing his holier-than-thou nature as THE foundation of his campaign. This idea of him being able to unite people while at the same time beginning the slash-and-burn phase of his campaign just doesn’t jive.
Got t-boned on my way to court this AM. ER visit ensued after I arrived late for court and nearly passed out in the judge’s office. Concussion according to CAT Scan.
So while I have been on the PC (my blurred vision has cleared mostly), I’ve been troll hunting. Three possible contenders have been sent to Admin.
Don’t forget to MoneyBomb. We’re half a million bucks short right now on the $6M goal. Good work, folks.
Nite. Setting my alarm for every two hours per doc’s instructions. Seems sleeping isn’t bad, not waking up is.
Don’t you all find it just terribly ironic that he would play that disgusting ad during women’s hsitory month? Of course, it is true. Mississippi ranks 50th in electing women, just after Iowa. Excuse hillary for noting the hurdle.
hello??? olbermann’s distaste has nothing to do w/hrc… he is pissed at the post bc the put nrc and bill on the cove walking hand in hand…. he hates the post bc they exposed him and his …. well… just read… we all know the best way to piss a guy off is to say that he sucks in bad and that is exactly waht the post did… keith isnt really pissed at hill… he’s pissed at the post! http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm
What is going on in Ohio now? Hell, she just won the state by 12 points.
@mj: i’m with ya! she just called it like she saw it!
OkieAtty, sorry to hear about the accident. Wish you all the best to get better soon. Impressed that you are still here doing all you can.
Hillary can do just what he has been Hoping the press wouldn’t do.
If Senator Obama wants to dredge up the past, why don’t we take a look at his present and possible future and splash everything about his ties with REZKO all over the place. Throw in his ties with Ayers in conservative plains states and they obly thing he will win is MS
Do we really want 4 years of non-stop investigations into Senator Obama’s shady dealings..
@okie: that stinks… i had a rr cossing arm come over my car as i was turning into the boutique this morning… they didnt sound the “dings”…. any advice? i’m going to call the rr company in the morning…
rjk1957, I agree. The Rezko trial is fact and all Hillary has to do is quote questions raised in newspaper articles from Chicago. Already today his name has been brought up in court. I think this is one of the biggest things in Hillary’s favor–the Rezko trial will be continuing for a long period of time. It will have to have some impact on the SD’s I would think.
divabunny:
That’s a funny story by the NY Post. However, I don’t see the connection between that paper and Hillary? Were you just being sarcastic?
@americangal: i agree… the obama’s camp abt 50 sd’s that were ready to pledge is all BS… there is no way theyre wanting to put their names anywhere near rezco at this point
@levon: the connection is olbermann. the post put hill and bill on cover walking hand in hand through central park in a vey positive light. keith is going to go negative on anything that the post spins as positive. make sense?
I see the headlines everywhere if Obama is called as a defense witness. OBAMA CALLED TO STAND IN CORRUPTION TRIAL
I can also see SNL having their Obama clone doing his best Richard Nixon ipression “I am not a crook”
No, Olbermann is in the tank with Obama, it’s nothing to do with his hate for the Post.
Investigation of the Clinton’s past: $70 million
Investigation of Obama’s credentials, hypocrisy or misdeeds: $0
Rezko trial: priceless
Goodnight, all. Feel better, Okie.
divabunny:
Hmmm… yeah, I see you point, but with all due respect I don’t think that’s a plausible explanation for his attitude towards Hillary, IMO.
Informed in Illinois:
VERY FUNNY POST!!!
diva,
He may have had a about 50 SD lined up to endorse him, but they all put the brakes on after Tuesday night. Obama was trying to be cute holding them back to announce Wednesday in case he lost. If he had only announced their endorsements on Monday he would have been fine. He bit himself in the ass with that stupid play.
@mj… well then its a combo of both!
@rjk: we already have a obama as “the black bush” as portrayed by chappelle.
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAL5KtjC90\
Thanks, Levon. See you all tomorrow.
If there’s a do-over in Michigan, it’s gonna get nasty as far as race relations are concerned. Detroit and its suburbs are already one of the most racially balkanized parts of the United States. If I were Obama, I would tell Sharpton and everybody else to shut the hell up any time they even hint about riots. Detroit still hasn’t recovered from 1967. All this talk about blacks taking to the streets will bring out a lot of ugliness on both sides of the racial divide, reopening old wounds that many, many good people (black and white) have worked long and hard to patch up. And after the election is over and the politicians have pulled out of town, the people here will still have to deal with the mess that they left behind.
Just another example of Obama’s superior judgement
@rjk: imo… he held them back bc they didnt f’n exist…. that was a play to voters and they didnt give a sh*t bc voters dont care abt SDs!
@jen… youve got it exactly right! sharpton doesnt care abt the aftermath… he never has! and he wont again. he’ll call for riots and uprisings and he wont do sh*t after its done. and nothing will be accomp[lished. he will just perpetuate the stereotype!
Take care Okie! Concussions suck.
Okie, sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you feel better soon.
I need to go to bed to but I needed to say this to someone–The more this drags on the more I think we will not be able to heal the party. I noted yesterday and TPM had a post asking both the “annoying” Clinton and Obama supporters to drop out of the race. I went to digby and she had linked to the post approvingly. I just went to digby again and started reading the comments and immediately you see Obamabots going haywire.
I am not suggesting that there are not offensive comments from Clinton supporters on these blogs but the concept that this is somehow equal could not be further from the truth. The Obamabots own the boards and they make going there a living hell for all of us. It is so overwhelming and over the top bullshit that it is useless to respond.
I just do not want to be allies with these idiots.
Diva: My thought re: the SDs, was that he would bring them out, after he won, to nail the coffin on Hillary’s candidacy. Who really knows? I think, he may have them, but after she won Tuesday, everything is on hold.
Jen: your posting is more evidence for a primary and not a caucus. Caucuses would incite riots. What a scary thought. Sharpton needs to go back to the swamp.
March 07, 2008
Obama is Weak in Key Gen. Election States
By Steven Stark
Two weeks ago we noted that, in spite of all the press hype promoting Barack Obama, the Democrats were only two steps away from chaos in their nomination process.
Now make that one step.
An Obama sweep this past Tuesday was probably never in the cards, given Hillary Clinton’s strength among working-class voters and Hispanics, which she’s had virtually all along. But a Clinton sweep of Texas and Ohio is something the media did not prepare for, as they ignored the evidence staring them in the face and essentially drove Obama around the track for a victory lap before the race had ever taken place.
Now the party has a huge problem. Sure, Obama has a narrow lead among elected delegates — a margin he’s likely to hold after the run of primaries ends in June. And, on paper, he’s still the current favorite to win the nomination in August.
But if Obama emerges as the nominee, it’s now clear his campaign is headed into the autumn homestretch with some enormous holes.
Foremost among them is that Obama has yet to win a major state other than his own (Illinois) because he’s still having trouble appealing to both Hispanics and working-class Democrats –those so-called Reagan Democrats. As early as this past November, the Pew Forum was picking up signs in its polls that Obama was running significantly worse among Catholics than he was among virtually any other demographic group in the electorate.
That’s still true. Unfortunately for Obama, Hispanics and working-class voters are two groups with some affinity for John McCain. In recent head-to-head polls, for example, McCain handily beat Obama by double digits in Florida — a state once considered a key toss-up. In another poll, the presumed GOP nominee is slightly ahead of Obama in New Jersey, a blue state in which John Kerry defeated George Bush by seven percentage points in 2004.
Color by numbers
These are worrying signs for the Democrats, should Obama be the nominee, especially now that it appears the Obama-Clinton contest could drag on for months, further weakening whoever emerges as the Democratic candidate. Michael Barone, the ace principal author of The Almanac of American Politics, recently wrote that an Obama-McCain race would redraw the red-state-blue-state map of the past few elections. But a more accurate analysis is that while McCain would be competitive in many states — even California — once considered safely Democratic, it’s hard to see as many comparable states where Obama might do the same.
In addition to California, McCain has a reasonable shot at winning blue states Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and maybe even Wisconsin and Michigan, not to mention the key swing state of Ohio. Obama, on the other hand, has a shot at red states New Mexico, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, and Virginia. McCain has the better hand to play.
This general-election weakness for Obama is sure to be an argument pressed by the Clinton forces in the days ahead. True, she probably wouldn’t have a chance in any of the red states that Obama might contest, either. But in her favor is the fact that, while her appeal to Independents is limited, she’d be far likelier to run stronger against McCain in Ohio, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and California.
The obvious problem now is that the longer the two front-runners engage each other, the less time either has to shore up weaknesses before the fall campaign. With the news that Florida governor Charlie Crist will consider allowing Democrats to restage their primary, this is now a process that could go into July without a clear winner. The few upcoming large states — Pennsylvania and, now, maybe Florida — favor Clinton. The longer Obama remains subject to attack by his opponent and a press anxious to repent (once again) for having gotten it all wrong, the weaker he will become. And once the primaries end, no one will have a clear majority, meaning there could well be a fierce contest for the superdelegates, triggering a contentious party civil war. McCain is thanking his lucky stars.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/obama_is_weak_in_key_general_e.html
@sitting: ok.. then why are you going there??? its been this way… what are you trying to say that we dont already know?????????
Sittin Bull: your posting, is the reason that I rarely venture onto other blogs. It is so vile and evil.
Katharine Says:
people in WY are! I think it’s because they’re all so isolated there.well martina navtrovta…tennis player lives there in jackson ..i think she is a democrat….no luck in wy i dont think bhussobama will win there..and those wyominites will not cross over to drive 50 miles or more to change there democrat for a day..gauaranteed..very isloalted i tried to tell mj..we like are guns and the cowboys hunting and no one to bother us…thats how it is folks..its happy trails..your in wyoming country lol..and no aa’s at the colleges yeah but living there nope…matthew story is not forgotten but laid at rest…
@birdgal: i would think that if he REALLY had the SDs they would have come out… they didnt want to come out fo him… otherwise they would be out
Another good article from the front page of realclearpolitics.com titled ‘What Obama Doesn’t Doesn’t Transcend’…
The Great Non Sequitur
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON — She threw the kitchen sink at him. Accused Barack Obama of plagiarism. Mocked his eloquence. Questioned his truthfulness about NAFTA.
Wasn’t enough. Hillary Clinton still faced extinction in Ohio and Texas. So what do you do when you have thrown the kitchen sink? Drop the atomic bomb.
Hence that brilliant “phone call at the White House at 3 a.m.” commercial. In the great tradition of Lyndon Johnson’s “Daisy” ad, it was not subtle — though in 2008 you don’t actually show the nuclear explosion. It’s enough just to suggest an apocalyptic crisis.
Ostensibly the ad was about experience. It wasn’t. It was about familiarity. After all, as Obama pointed out, what exactly is the experience that prepares Hillary to answer the red phone at 3 a.m.?
She was raising a deeper question: Do you really know who this guy is? After a whirlwind courtship with this elegant man who rode into town just yesterday, are you really prepared to entrust him with your children, the major props in the ad?
After months of fruitlessly shadowboxing an ethereal opponent made up of equal parts hope, rhetoric and enthusiasm, Clinton had finally made contact with the enemy. The doubts she raised created just enough buyer’s remorse to convince Democrats on Tuesday to not yet close the sale on the mysterious stranger.
The only way either Clinton or John McCain can defeat an opponent as dazzlingly new and fresh as Obama is to ask: Do you really know this guy?
Or the corollary: Is he really who he says he is? I’m not talking about scurrilous innuendo about his origins, religion or upbringing. I’m talking about the full-fledged man who presents himself to the country in remarkably grandiose terms as a healer, a conciliator, a uniter.
This, after all, is his major appeal. What makes him different from the other candidates, from the “old politics” he disdains, is the promise to rise above party, to take us beyond ideology and other archaic divisions, and bring us together as “one nation.”
It’s worked. When Americans are asked who can unite us, 67 percent say Obama versus 34 percent for Clinton, with McCain at 51.
How did Obama pull that off? By riding one of the great non sequiturs of modern American politics.
It goes like this. Because Obama transcends race, it is therefore assumed that he will transcend everything else — divisions of region, class, party, generation and ideology.
The premise here is true — Obama does transcend race; he has not run as a candidate of minority grievance; his vision of America is unmistakably post-racial — but the conclusion does not necessarily follow. It is merely suggested in Obama’s rhetorically brilliant celebration of American unity: “young and old, rich and poor, black and white, Latino and Asian — who are tired of a politics that divides us.” Hence “the choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It’s not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white. It’s about the past versus the future.”
The effect of such sweeping invocations of unity is electric, particularly because race is the deepest and most tragic of all American divisions, and this invocation is being delivered by a man who takes us powerfully beyond it. The implication is that he is therefore uniquely qualified to transcend all our other divisions.
It is not an idle suggestion. It could be true. The problem is that Obama’s own history suggests that, in his case at least, it is not. Indeed, his Senate record quite belies the implication.
The Obama campaign has sent journalists eight pages of examples of his reaching across the aisle in the Senate. But these are small-bore items of almost no controversy — more help for war veterans, reducing loose nukes in the former Soviet Union and the like. Bipartisan support for apple pie is hardly a profile in courage.
On the difficult compromises that required the political courage to challenge one’s own political constituency, Obama flinched: the “gang of 14″ compromise on judicial appointments, the immigration compromise to which Obama tried to append union-backed killer amendments, and, just last month, the compromise on warrantless eavesdropping that garnered 68 votes in the Senate. But not Obama’s.
Who, in fact, supported all of these bipartisan deals, was a central player in two of them, and brokered the even more notorious McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform? John McCain, of course.
Yes, John McCain — intemperate and rough-edged, of sharp elbows and even sharper tongue. Turns out that uniting is not a matter of rhetoric or manner, but of character and courage.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/do_you_really_know_obama.html
Another good article from the front page of realclearpolitics.com titled ‘What Obama Doesn’t Doesn’t Transcend’…
The Great Non Sequitur
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON — She threw the kitchen sink at him. Accused Barack Obama of plagiarism. Mocked his eloquence. Questioned his truthfulness about NAFTA.
Wasn’t enough. Hillary Clinton still faced extinction in Ohio and Texas. So what do you do when you have thrown the kitchen sink? Drop the atomic bomb.
Hence that brilliant “phone call at the White House at 3 a.m.” commercial. In the great tradition of Lyndon Johnson’s “Daisy” ad, it was not subtle — though in 2008 you don’t actually show the nuclear explosion. It’s enough just to suggest an apocalyptic crisis.
Ostensibly the ad was about experience. It wasn’t. It was about familiarity. After all, as Obama pointed out, what exactly is the experience that prepares Hillary to answer the red phone at 3 a.m.?
She was raising a deeper question: Do you really know who this guy is? After a whirlwind courtship with this elegant man who rode into town just yesterday, are you really prepared to entrust him with your children, the major props in the ad?
After months of fruitlessly shadowboxing an ethereal opponent made up of equal parts hope, rhetoric and enthusiasm, Clinton had finally made contact with the enemy. The doubts she raised created just enough buyer’s remorse to convince Democrats on Tuesday to not yet close the sale on the mysterious stranger.
The only way either Clinton or John McCain can defeat an opponent as dazzlingly new and fresh as Obama is to ask: Do you really know this guy?
Or the corollary: Is he really who he says he is? I’m not talking about scurrilous innuendo about his origins, religion or upbringing. I’m talking about the full-fledged man who presents himself to the country in remarkably grandiose terms as a healer, a conciliator, a uniter.
This, after all, is his major appeal. What makes him different from the other candidates, from the “old politics” he disdains, is the promise to rise above party, to take us beyond ideology and other archaic divisions, and bring us together as “one nation.”
It’s worked. When Americans are asked who can unite us, 67 percent say Obama versus 34 percent for Clinton, with McCain at 51.
How did Obama pull that off? By riding one of the great non sequiturs of modern American politics.
It goes like this. Because Obama transcends race, it is therefore assumed that he will transcend everything else — divisions of region, class, party, generation and ideology.
The premise here is true — Obama does transcend race; he has not run as a candidate of minority grievance; his vision of America is unmistakably post-racial — but the conclusion does not necessarily follow. It is merely suggested in Obama’s rhetorically brilliant celebration of American unity: “young and old, rich and poor, black and white, Latino and Asian — who are tired of a politics that divides us.” Hence “the choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It’s not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white. It’s about the past versus the future.”
The effect of such sweeping invocations of unity is electric, particularly because race is the deepest and most tragic of all American divisions, and this invocation is being delivered by a man who takes us powerfully beyond it. The implication is that he is therefore uniquely qualified to transcend all our other divisions.
It is not an idle suggestion. It could be true. The problem is that Obama’s own history suggests that, in his case at least, it is not. Indeed, his Senate record quite belies the implication.
The Obama campaign has sent journalists eight pages of examples of his reaching across the aisle in the Senate. But these are small-bore items of almost no controversy — more help for war veterans, reducing loose nukes in the former Soviet Union and the like. Bipartisan support for apple pie is hardly a profile in courage.
On the difficult compromises that required the political courage to challenge one’s own political constituency, Obama flinched: the “gang of 14″ compromise on judicial appointments, the immigration compromise to which Obama tried to append union-backed killer amendments, and, just last month, the compromise on warrantless eavesdropping that garnered 68 votes in the Senate. But not Obama’s.
Who, in fact, supported all of these bipartisan deals, was a central player in two of them, and brokered the even more notorious McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform? John McCain, of course.
Yes, John McCain — intemperate and rough-edged, of sharp elbows and even sharper tongue. Turns out that uniting is not a matter of rhetoric or manner, but of character and courage.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/do_you_really_know_obama.html
Has anyone seen the clip of Obama’s Foreign policy adviosr saying that neither Hillary or Obama are not ready for a 3 am phone call? I really do not think when Obama sent her out to slam Hillary he wanted her to say that.
Divabunny: I hope you are right, that was just posturing and bluffing.
I can the RNC playing that clip nonstop in the fall
call the darth vader residence in jackson hole leave a robo call..for hillary lol..
I can’t go to most blogs either. I can take constructive criticism, I welcome it. I can take differening opinions, otherwise life is boring. I enjoy knowing why other people support a specific candidate whether it’s policy, experience or just personal preference. What I couldn’t take was the misogyny, sexist remarks, race baiting, hit job slams and vile attacks. If you criticize Obama you’re attacked. If you ask why someone supports him, you’re attacked. If you so much as point out something negative about him, you’re attacked. If you post something positive about another candidate, you’re attacked.
The posts that used to piss me off the most were the “but _____ did it too!” like someone would post a “Obama licks frogs” thread and someone else would turn it around all “Hillary licks frogs!” even though there was no evidence that Hillary licked frogs.
@rjk: here is the video of sara rice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumIz2bajus
diva,
I have the clip it just strikes me as another blunder from the bambi camp
@rjk: sorry… thought you were looking for the clip.. of course a blunder… axelrove’s machine is breaking down…
mj did call friends of mine today in wyo..they said they are not gonna do that cross over crap..some are for hillary….especially the low incomes of the ranch cooks and so forth..i think they’ll have a tie or close vote between both of them.but for bussiness its all republicans..red as rudolph’s nose…
axelrod is a wannabe rove and he just cant be… he doesnt have “rove power”…. i despise ove but he is the ultimate puppetmaster…. i say F penn!!! its time to offer carville and begala whatever they want to come out of retirement to take us into the home stretch!
since i talked to 3 of them about the cacus.. gossip will spread like wildfire there democrat for a day they wont do it….and his fired up ready to go he better think before his supporters say that in states that had fire.. yellowstone fires they do not like the message.. he does not know what wyoming needs are….he does not know wyo history..peroid that is what they told me..
Penn came up with 3am, which clearly played a role in TX,OH.
Cj, I dont know. I read that guy’s blog someone posted and it sounds like the few Dem’s there are drinking the koolaid. Can Repub’s participate in those caucuses?
gnight all…. have to run to the shop in the morning and will back here as soon as i get home to see what our next move is… i can personally say that i had great luck with my correspondence with the ohio journalists and reporters covering the naftagagte stuff prior to the ohio vote…. we just need to come up with a message we want to get out to the WY papers… love any input… dont think the sam powers thing is strong though…
Cj, thanks for getting in touch with your friends.
Hillary has quite a few on the chip program there too..so those supporters willl cacus vote…
@mj: 3am was mondale done years before and maybe penn just pulled outta retirement, but was not original and thats the majority of th reason she was trashed for it…. for what theyre paying penn…. he coulda at least been original at playing the experience card.
I don’t agree with that editorial. Without monolithic aa support BO would have been toast months ago, so so much for trancending.
I wonder how the rallies are going out there? Some of the comments from the Almanac were quite vile. I’m glad she is going out there.
but if you guys are calling wyo riverton ,lander,buffalo,douglas,rock springs,green river casper,glenrock,saratoga,muddy gap,she might do well,some are not all repubs..
It did the job.
But CJ, it’s not the Repubs. It’s the liberals. Did you look at that blog?
Cj: Dot called earlier today, and had mostly hangups.
your welcome mj..and these friends are repubs they ,,,but everyone gets along…so its who you can convince to go for hill…
Tiny Dancer,
I’ve had the same problem with the blogs. What it comes down to is that far too many of these young Obama supporters can neither think critically nor debate rationally. For years, we’ve all been hearing about the dumbing down of our educational system. Now we’re seeing the results of it in these 20-year-olds.
Jen: So much for critical thinking courses in college.
One more thought… I wonder what Rob “Meat Head” Reiner thinks of the Archie Bunker comments?
hi hillfans, if obama wants to really go there on this lame “taxes” charge on the clintons then bring it brotha!!! he has no damn crediblity with his buddy rezko on trial. DOES OBAMA REALLY WANT TO GO THERE? admin, us from hillaryis44, and team hillary wanted this rezko in the spotlight for a long damn time.NOW WE HAVE IT!!! BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! HILLARY SHOULD HAMMER HIM AT ALL STOPS!!!
You know what, I think that ad of Obama’s is just sick. Hillary was caught in a moment expressing the clear hurdle she was facing as a woman running for office, and now he’s using that to score political points? Its really sick.
Yeah, I watched that abc report a I could swear the prosectutor named obama in his opening statement. Shouldnt that be a huge story?
ive been in contact with the wy director for hillary. email him at jlipshutz@hillaryclinton.com to help. dems only in the caucus-but the rge deadline was feb 22. big effort here-hillary and bill will campaign here. she is running ads as well
But texan, is she coordinating to get them to the caucus?
Here’s a large excerpt from an article on realclearpolitics.com regarding bambi’s new attach strategy and how it will eventually do him in… full article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07brooks.html?hp
These attacks are supposed to show that Obama can’t be pushed around. But, of course, what it really suggests is that Obama’s big theory is bankrupt. You can’t really win with the new style of politics. Sooner or later, you have to play by the conventional rules.
The Obama people seem to have persuaded themselves they can go on the attack, but in the right way. They can be tough and keep their virginity, too. But there are more than five long months between now and the convention.
Unless they consciously reject conventional politics, the accusations will build on each other. The BlackBerries will buzz. The passions will rise. The Obama forces will see hints of Clinton corruption all around, and they’ll accuse and accuse again. The war will begin to take control, and once you’re halfway through you can’t suddenly surrender because it’s become too rough.
And the Clinton people will draw them every step of the way. Clinton can’t compete on personality, but a knife fight is her only real hope of victory. She has nothing to lose because she never promised to purify America. Her campaign doesn’t depend on the enthusiasm of upper-middle-class goo-goos. On Thursday, a Clinton aide likened Obama to Ken Starr just to badger them on.
As the trench warfare stretches on through the spring, the excitement of Obama-mania will seem like a distant, childish mirage. People will wonder if Obama ever believed any of that stuff himself. And even if he goes on to win the nomination, he won’t represent anything new. He’ll just be a one-term senator running for president.
In short, a candidate should never betray the core theory of his campaign, or head down a road that leads to that betrayal. Barack Obama doesn’t have an impressive record of experience or a unique policy profile. New politics is all he’s got. He loses that, and he loses everything. Every day that he looks conventional is a bad day for him.
Besides, the real softness of the campaign is not that Obama is a wimp. It’s that he has never explained how this new politics would actually produce bread-and-butter benefits to people in places like Youngstown and Altoona.
If he can’t explain that, he’s going to lose at some point anyway.
Hey y’all. I’ve been visiting the site daily but neglecting the posts. I’ve been posting on three other blogs: The Confluence – http://www.riverdaughter.wordpress.com, Taylor Marsh – http://www.taylormarsh.com, and Anglachel’s Journal – http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com so can’t get to all at once.
They are all top pro-Hillary blogs and I urge you to check them out.
I’m actually stopping by to tell you all to read the last several posts on Anglachel’s Journal. Just the best arguments I’ve read on why the MI and FL delegates must be seated and why Hillary has the best argument going into the convention to be the nominee. MUST READ. I’ll post her link on here again tomorrow:
http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/03/inevitability-game.html
http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/03/reality-about-legitimacy.html
Highly educated, stop-obama has a good article about how realistically, Hill has always held a delegate lead, and she does today, and that neither Party has ever not seated delegates they sanctioned. This is an effort by Dean to prop up BO.
These attacks are supposed to show that Obama can’t be pushed around. But, of course, what it really suggests is that Obama’s big theory is bankrupt. You can’t really win with the new style of politics. Sooner or later, you have to play by the conventional rules.
The Obama people seem to have persuaded themselves they can go on the attack, but in the right way. They can be tough and keep their virginity, too. But there are more than five long months between now and the convention.
Unless they consciously reject conventional politics, the accusations will build on each other. The BlackBerries will buzz. The passions will rise. The Obama forces will see hints of Clinton corruption all around, and they’ll accuse and accuse again. The war will begin to take control, and once you’re halfway through you can’t suddenly surrender because it’s become too rough.
And the Clinton people will draw them every step of the way. Clinton can’t compete on personality, but a knife fight is her only real hope of victory. She has nothing to lose because she never promised to purify America. Her campaign doesn’t depend on the enthusiasm of upper-middle-class goo-goos. On Thursday, a Clinton aide likened Obama to Ken Starr just to badger them on.
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Levon, David Brooks is an idiot!!! I’ve never liked his analysis because it so overrated and unoriginal. Why he get so much face time on TV is AMAZING to me.
He has consistently underestimated the Clintons from day one…and I for one is tired of all these NEO_CONS in sheep clothing posing as intellectuals and reporters.
The New York Times should had FIRED all those reporters that push us into the IRAG WAR for being the propagandists that they are.
But NOOOOOO only Judith Miller got the boot out that bastion of “tabloid reporting”…They should have punted this doofus out the door too….this man is a disgrace because he is so intellectually dishonest with his facts, maybe he should go back to Chicago and do some real reporting…LIKE REZKO and then maybe I’ll respect him.
carbynew:
I’m not familiar with David Brooks at all, I just read this article and thought he made some good points regarding possible effects of bambi’s new attack strategy.
HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter:
Excellent articles at the links you posted. Much appreciated!
I am absolutely astonished and angry.
“Al Shapton told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.”
Mr. Sharpton you are a racist to the core. Shame on you. AA’s have no claim on the civil rights movement. Civil rights is human rights and the last I looked there is a world of different ethnic groups that have been treated unfairly.
And Mr. Sharpton what is your take on the centuries old discrimination and torture of women…or do they leave that out of your history lessons so your black brothers can lay claim to everything unfair.
You sir, are an embarrassment.
divabunny Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 1:25 am
@mj: 3am was mondale done years before and maybe penn just pulled outta retirement, but was not original and thats the majority of th reason she was trashed for it…. for what theyre paying penn…. he coulda at least been original at playing the experience card.
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I liked the 3am ad it was effective and came out at the right time…Obambi is mad because his name wasn’t mention so his attacks about the ad shows he’s a big fat cry baby.
His campaign continues to show their inexperience and clumsy handling of FOREIGN POLICY.
My only problem with Mark Penn is that he talk to much to the media.
That’s my opinion on Penn, too. He’s great at analyzing poll data, but he doesn’t need to try and do everything. Leave the media work to Wolfson and the other reps.
I wish Carville was more involved in this campaign, but oh well!
please indulge me ..this is worth reading but a bit long on page
Racism goes both ways
Amanda Forbes
Issue date: 3/5/08 Section: Opinion
PrintEmail Article Tools Page 1 of 1 A friend recently sent me a text message that read “When else can a black man beat a white woman’s ass without going to jail? Vote for Obama!”
I pride myself on having a great sense of humor, but I did not laugh at this one. I was not offended either. I was just…shocked.
If I or any other Caucasian ever wrote or uttered such a statement in reverse, we would be summarily crucified. At a time when minorities are preaching equality and sensitivity, why is there still a double-standard when it comes to racist remarks?
I do not buy that minorities should be given a pass when it comes to making racist statements toward their own race or other races. If there is ever to be equality, it must be observed on both sides and treated with the same attitude.
Duane “Dog” Chapman was fired from his popular A&E show, “Dog the Bounty Hunter,” for using a huge no-no word and Don Imus was canned from his morning show for describing the Rutgers University women’s basketball team as “nappy headed hos.”
If this is so disparaging, why did I see a copy of The Sentinel in University Hall with “Bros before Hos” on the cover in reference to Obama and Clinton?
In 2004, Barry Bonds made a few racially charged statements about Boston to a reporter. No one raised flags to the media and cried “Fire Barry Bonds!” No one said anything because no one felt they could, simply because Bonds is black and is apparently allowed to say whatever he wants.
However, when “Dog” made his racially insensitive remarks, Roy Innis, chairman of the Congress for Racial Equality, demanded he be taken off the airwaves immediately because his “comments show that he is certainly not a good guy.”
After Imus made his remarks, Al Sharpton demanded Imus be fired. He then insisted his demands were not about Imus but rather the “misuse of the airwaves.”
“We cannot afford a precedent established that the airwaves can be used to commercialize and mainstream sexism and racism,” he said.
Then why do we hear rap songs constantly referring to women as “hos” if not worse? Imus referred to the double standard after his firing by noting the term he used is well-used within the black community. Sharpton fired back, stating he does not forgive anyone who uses such words or phrases.
Yet, I have never once seen Sharpton demand Lil’ Wayne be released from his recording contract because he raps “hos love my grill, hos love my crib.”
How can anyone not see that as a double standard? I am not a racist and do not find joy in making racist comments, but I refuse to turn a deaf ear or a blind eye when someone of a different race makes an insulting remark and decides it should not be a big deal because they are a minority and they can. If I am going to be held to a standard of decency, then everyone, regardless of race, religion or sex should be subjected to that same standard. Once everyone is on the same page about what is appropriate and what is not, then we can start to break down the walls of racism in this country.
Amanda Forbes is a graduate student in English and journalism. She can be reached at forbes.34@osu.edu.
For those of you who want an electorial map….Here it is:
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-clinton-276-mccain-262/
If an election was held today…Sen. Clinton would be the President of the United States with her 276 electorial college votes, while McCain has 268 votes and a distant third Obama who is not notated on the map has 182 votes.
Do the math SD Obama doesn’t have a snowball chance in Hell to win the presidency. Even after spending 55 million this month.
Hillary Clinton Receives Surprisingly Warm Reception In Mississippi
Published by at 5:36 am under Uncategorized
Sen. Hillary Clinton received a surprisingly warm reception in her first campaign visit to Mississippi since her primary victories in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island. She spoke at the 26th Annual Jefferson-Jackson-Hamer Day Dinner at the Canton Multipurpose & Equine Center in Canton, Mississippi on Thursday night.
In her speech which was live streamed by Jackson television station WJTV she sounded confident and upbeat. She acknowledged that the Obama campaign has strong support in the state but emphasized that if she is elected she plans to do a lot for Mississippi. She talked a lot about the common problems that Arkansas and Mississippi have faced and told of her work in Arkansas to bring about better education and healthcare.
She received several standing ovations in her speech and the audience joined her in an Obama-like chant of “Yes we will! Yes we will! at the end.
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Lovely photos on posted too.
I’m from Fl and news of the disenfranchisment of FL voters is big down here. I can tell you that there won’t be a do-over because we Floridians are struggling with the mortgage foreclosure here, high property taxes and high home insurance.
There was a bill attached to the Fl primaries regarding the lowering of property taxes and many folks were energized to come out and vote. There was no way that the Dems could have got the Repub legislature to back down as they strategically attached that bill on to it.
BO ran a national ad buy and I can tell you that it ran numerous times on CNN, people watched the debates and knew who all the canidates were. Kendall Coffey who represented Gore regarding the Fl debacle when the presidency was stolen from us was on tv decrying the Democratic party.
He said, it is surprising that a party who decried hanging chads and voter fraud would now suddenly support voter disenfranchisement re the Fl voters in the Fl primary (paraphrasing).
These were very strong words coming from a powerful person with legitimacy on this issue. Also, there is Alcee Hastings who is very vocal and is a Hillary supporter.
Dean, IMO, will have to seat these delegates as this story is about to blow up and I don’t think that he wants to piss off the FL voters already. There is a huge, active Cuban population in S Florida and they VOTe. They are McCain people. However, there is also a huge snowbird contigent, huge Jewish voters and seniors also in South Florida and they are imo, Hill supporters. Piss them off and they will go to McCain.
Dean has been shown to be a collosal arse along with Donna Brazile. Look at all of his competing statements yesterday about this debacle. Is anyone accusing him of having ‘mood swings’!
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 04:58 am | #
Now, Hillary team has to all walk in lockstep, no leaks to the media, put away dislike towards one another and avoid making these kinds of mistakes that Obama’s staff is making.
It is clear from reading the background that Bambi’s people thought that they had this locked up atleast through Friday and so did the media. They were ‘measuring the drapes’ and so forth but a funny thing happened on the road to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave….the people said NO!
This is a fatal mistake by Bambi and his staff to go negative on Hill. The things that they will bring up or suggest by innuendo have been heard before and people have made their judgements of Hill aready. Most Dems have concluded that they still like her. REgarding the Presidential library, Bush sr. has also done the same thing and not released names of donors so that’s a non-starter. McCain won’t pounce on that so it won’t go anywhere.
It is interesting that Krugman in his blog on Wednesday said that he took the train home on Tuesday with the belief that Hill would lose based on some insiders who spoke to him and told him that the exit data said so.
Wow! This explains why the MSM looked so morose and deflated when they realized that Hillary very much was alive and kicking!
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 05:03 am | #
Regarding shedding light on Hill’s claim to experience, they will lose. Bill Bennett on his talk show Thursday said that Hill does have some claim to experience from being in the White House. He said that she was a part of some of those meetings and that due to her obvious love of policy, she probably had some input.
CNN’s piece was quite flattering to Hill as they showed her making her speech in China about women’s rights and showed her in the tribal areas of Serbia etc. It will only highlight all of the places where she has been (many war torn) and beg the question,w here has he travelled and what has he done.
She has spoken up for women’s and children’s rights all over the world and this plays right into her base. She has also championed the cause of the less fortunate and down trodden. What of his speeches to women suffering, poor refugees, mutilated women in Africa etc!
Losing argument, imo.
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 05:06 am | #
One final thing, talk show radio is hammering him everyday. This will put a damper on the Repubs crossing over. The issue of national security is a big one for Republicans, especially their men. The fact that the light is being shown on this will not cause them to gravitate to him in any big way.
Regarding the ARchie Bunker comments about Ohio, if this makes its way to PA, forget about it.
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 05:08 am | #
Awww….look at Hill and Bill strolling the park yesterday. They both look relax and confident. You guys deserve a break.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03062008/news/nationalnews/clinton/photo05.htm
firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/737074.aspx
I like that the Clintons are on offense and have started to actively court PA as evidenced by Chelsea heading out to PA. Gov. REndell has already signalled his strong support by evidenced of his strongly worded support in a memo on Wednesday. Heck, I may even fly out to PA.
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From First Read guest contributor Carly Zakin
PHILADELPHIA — Proving that Tuesday’s primary results have turned the Clinton campaign’s focus towards Pennsylvania, Chelsea Clinton made a campaign appearance last night here at the University of Pennsylvania. As the crowd of nearly 500 students waited for the former first daughter to arrive, the Clinton campaign seemed to be channeling the Spice Girls’ message of girl power as the pop group’s hits played from the speakers. Hinting to the audience that the campaign was in full gear to focus on the next big primary contests, Chelsea joked, “I hope you don’t get tired of seeing me or my family, I have a feeling we’ll be here a lot.”
The informal Q&A session seemed to be geared towards connecting her mother with the youth vote and educating them on the candidate’s issues and stances. Chelsea assured the audience that she believed in her mother “not only as her daughter, but as a young woman and as a voter.” Clarifying her mother’s stances on gay rights, health care, education, women’s rights, and Iraq, Chelsea portrayed her mother as a lifelong advocate of equal rights and political change who only “hopes to fulfill those commitments that she’s made throughout her life.”
Students’ questions showed concern about whether or not Clinton could be a the force of change and how she would handle diplomatic hurdles, as well as the impact of a Bush-Clinton dynasty, to which Chelsea responded: “One, I wish we hadn’t had a second Bush. And two, you shouldn’t vote for or against my mom because of my dad.” Asked whether or not there were any issues she and her mother disagreed on, Chelsea responded “Yes, but that’s for my kitchen table.”
As each issue was raised, Chelsea carefully pointed out her mother’s history of leadership and initiative for change. Stressing her mother’s ability to make compromises across party lines, even with former adversaries like Newt Gingrich or Lindsey Graham, she emphasized how her mother continually “keeps trying” on health care, support for Darfur, a GI Bill of Rights, and an Iraqi refugee program, among other
http://www.thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp
This is the headline on Drudge. This will be on all the right wing talk shows tomorrow and the news. Not good for Bambi, especially as Clinton put forth evidence of her experience in foreign affairs and Bambi has put forth NONE!
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 06:11 am | #
h t t p : / / http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5599807.html
One alternative mentioned now by the Florida Democratic Party is a vote-by-mail election. Ballots would be mailed to all of Florida’s approximately 4.7 million registered Democrats in May or June. The cost would be $4 million to $6 million …. [A full primary would be $25 million]
Maybe I’m missing something, but the mail-in option sounds good. We might even get more votes than the first time.
But no caucuses or any other wierd thing!!!!!
carbynew: You actually missed a separate electoral map for just Obama v McCain.
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-clinton-276-mccain-262/
Obama is winning by more electoral votes than Hillary is right now.
Just sayin’
I just posted here, easy enough, seems a decent comment string.
h t t p : / / http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5599807.html
Dean and Brazile should either accept the delegates from the first vote, or pay for the new vote. They fouled up and set an unjust and unenforceable punishment for something the GOP legislature did. The mail-in option sounds good; vote by mail is used in OR, WA, and encouraged in CA. It would be refreshing to have a contest where no one is getting sued about long lines or running out of ballots or poll hours, etc etc. (No caucuses or other wierd time-limited crowded things, please!)
Mediation by elders sounds good also, if those elders are Gore, Carter, and their peers.
About the cost … having the campaigns operating in the state will bring in a lot of money: ad space, office space, gasoline, pizza, etc. They’re spending about $1 million per day each, so that would be $60 million in a month. Maybe the Florida Chamber of Commerce could pay for a mail-in primary at $5 million.
Good morning, Hillfans. Only latest headlines up at RW but working on article for later this morning. h/t to Independent Ben for raising the issue of BO’s button voting “oopsies” re Rezko and gambling. This makes about the fourth “favor” BO did for his moneybag. RW has the first three posted, which will be linked in new article. If anyone has links for this, please click on name above and then send via the confidential email link on righthand side of page.
Thanks.
The more “favors” we can rack up, the better. Then you can use the RW link to spread the word. This is really at the core of the relationship. I’m sure that there are many more examples that just haven’t been linked up yet.
BO is a front man and those behind him plan on putting their hand-picked front man in the WH … not!
It’s obvious why the original votes in MI and FL cannot be allowed to stand, even though those elections have been fully paid for.
In MI, BHO’s name was not even on the ballot. That isn’t fair! Everyone knows it was merely a mistake for him to take his name off the ballot. He is entitled to be compensated for his mistakes. After all, there is something special about him. A careful examination of the New York and Calif primaries may find other mistakes for which compensation could result in more delegates for him. A closer look may find Hillary is to blame for all of these mistakes. Any other interpretation is probably racist anyway.
In FL, all the names were on the ballot, but Hillary had a very unfair advantage. She had NAME RECOGNITION. I hear that stuff all the time on the MSM. It’s sinful to have that advantage! Such unfairness prohibits any thought of letting her have the delegates she won fair and square.
Who is to blame for all of this unfairness? You can’t blame the voters! Nor the states! Definitely not the holy DNC! Not Obama nor Edwards. There is only one person to blame, and that’s Hillary. She should be penalized by refusing to let her have the votes and the delegates she has won.
I swear this sounds like the argument I am hearing all the time.
G’morning everyone!!!
JUST WAIT until the samantha power things hits the UK press and tabloids, it happened too late yesrerday for papers over here, but I guarantee Brit tabloids will have a field day wit this one.. I , for one, cant wait to see what they ahve to say about this LOL
Has this been posted? Puerto Rico voted to have a primary rather than a caucus last night. Better for Hillary!
Hillary Clinton: The monster that ate Obama’s campaign.
Easy to post here also:
h t t p : / / http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/COL04/803070332/1001/NEWS
Brisk but rational debate going on at
h t t p : / / http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-03-06-primary-QnA_N.htm#uslPageReturn
I received this message from a Canadian on Hillary’s Facebook page:
“The story of Obama giving the wink and a nod about NAFTA is taking off here in Canada. The other paties up here are calling for the Prime ministers Chief of Staff to be fired. He is the person who had the conversation with Obamas people….The story is there …GO GET IT.
Jack Layton the NDP leader was on LOU DOBBS earlier to night speaking of it they want the RCMP to investigate.”
Just to let you guys know!! More scandal coming down the pipe!
Geraldo Riviera on FOX , when discussing the powers comment, just said he thought HILLARY WOULD get the noination and that Bambis campaign is in trouble now, I alsmot choked on my tea! He then said he thought that she would offer the VP to Bambi to make nice, but that Michelle would tell him not to take it LMAO
Good morning.
So lets see…Obama isn’t even president yet and already he’s cause 3 international “incidents”. Threatening to bomb Pockiston, inserting himself into the situation in Kenya , and causing an uproar in Canada that may result in the PM’s chief of staff getting fired.
Boy oh boy…what kind of shit will he get us into if he becomes POTUS???
She calls a former first lady, a respected US Senator and a top presidential candidate a “monster” to a FOREIGN newspaper. Oh and while she’s at it, she also insults the people of OH. What kind of campaign is he running? Oh yeah….I forget…old-school, machine-style dirty politics hidden behind bland messages of hope and high rhetoric.
Hillary needs to play up that Archie Bunker remark big time. It’s not only incredibly insulting to the people of Ohio, but it shows that Bambi & Co. have no problem insulting americans who exercise their right NOT to vote for him.
Hell, if she had said the voters of SC were all Fred Sanford types, people would have been demanding she withdraw from the race.
I think they should make an ad with the “Archi Bunker” comment and play it in PA.
Pat Robertson said this morning that Obama plans to use his “advisors” to go after Hillary…to keep himself out of the fray.
They MUST be held accountable by the Hillary Team. She needs a full team to be on top of this stuff. She had to let people go over this stuff.
Hillary should make an ad, talk about this being Woman’s Month and how this is what women can expect from the Barack Obama camp….diss our international leaders. Wonder what powder head thinks about the other strong women of the world.
Good morning all!
All good stuff you guys have added to the “opinion” I have been writing all morning.
So…what is new in the world? I’ve not had the tv or radio on, have not read the papers yet and am enjoying crafting this piece of layman’s literature in hopes that it will expunge from my broken soul all the ills of the Barack Obama campaign. Now…if I can just get Michelle to pick up my socks and put the butter away, I will be in paradise.
everyone
people here should email the scotsman to thank them for publising that article. They are a small news org and they are taking heat in poted comments from BHO bots. Also should send them links on rezko etc. Best chance to get the US MSM to cover things is to get it in the press outside of the US, then it gets picked up. Easier ot get stories out in England, Scotland and Ireland than the US. Send some personal stories of bullying in the caucus states as well,. never know, wemay get lucky!!
just an opinion
blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/03/whats-new-3.html
Big deal…I STILL want her ass fired.
Power says that “these comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired.
Apparently, Ms. Power thinks we’re all idiots.
IDunn…”Power says that “these comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton,”
um….
so, was this comment a product of her being body snatched and driven to speak in a Chuckie-like gurgle against her will?
Excellent news. Puerto Rico has decided against caucuses and in favor of a primary and moved the date up to June 1.
talkleft.com/story/2008/3/7/03348/92790
Are Al Sharpton and Governor Wilder SD’s?
“Power says that “these comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired.”"
Right, and they don’t talk to the Canadians about NAFTA, either.
They do think we’re idiots.
Idunn Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 8:20 am
Hell, if she had said the voters of SC were all Fred Sanford types, people would have been demanding she withdraw from the race.
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ROTFLMAO
Either idiots, or Archie Bunker types, that is.
Does anyone have details on the “archie bunker” comment? Did it really come from the BO campaign?
OBAMA Cult Followers ,would support O.J. Simpson if he was the candidate.Hear no Evil,See no Evil cause He is a Bro.
Bill Clinton Speaks to Wyoming Voters
http://www.myfoxutah.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5962982&version=1&locale=EN
US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1
“# ABM90 Says:
OBAMA Cult Followers ,would support O.J. Simpson if he was the candidate.Hear no Evil,See no Evil cause He is a Bro.”
LMAO! Sadly but true. They let O.J. go free, OMG.
ABM90 Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 9:24 am
OBAMA Cult Followers ,would support O.J. Simpson if he was the candidate.Hear no Evil,See no Evil cause He is a Bro.
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Whoa! Don’t go there because that is not true now. Most AAs I know despise O.J and think that he may have done it.
This comment is over the top and we have to be careful not to paint a group of people with one brush.
I think the “Archie Bunker” label was actually NOT an Obama campaign label…. It was a MEDIA label, however, and it only highlights the sheer contempt the media has for working white people. We should all send letters to the reporter who made the story, and demand an apology or that she get fired:
To contact the reporter on this story: Heidi Przybyla in Washington at hprzybyla@bloomberg.net
In an interview published last night in U.S News, Hillary Clinton stated her opposition to any new caucuses in Michigan or Florida — a form of election where on-the-ground organization has benefitted Barack Obama.
“I would not accept a caucus. I think that would be a great disservice to the 2 million people who turned out and voted,” Hillary said. “I think that they want their votes counted. And you know a lot of people would be disenfranchised because of the timing and whatever the particular rules were.”
Hillary also stated her opposition to “any do-over or any kind of a second run in Florida.”
I hope many americans read this!
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/06/obama-and-his-advisors-not-ready-for-prime-time/#more-1724
I hope many americans read this:
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/06/obama-and-his-advisors-not-ready-for-prime-time/#more-1724
We are only a 500.000 short of the goal for campaign money.
Don’t hate … Donate.
BTW, looks like Puerto Rico is not winner-takes-all.
Although journalists at several news outletshave indicated that Puerto Rico’s 63 delegates will all be awarded to a single candidate rather than proportionally, in reality, the party’s Delegate Selection Plan states that delegates are to be allocated in a manner similar to other state caucuses. The Washington Post Fact Checker has determined that the “winner take all” Puerto Rican primary is a myth.
Hey everyone, I have managed to obtain a few *real* contacts at various papers around the country (some are national papers). Please let me know your thoughts and any research you have that I can pass on. You need to give me very specific details (and I mean *very* specific, researched, and capable of being fact checked).
Email me @
*k*a*f*f*e*e*n* @ g m a i l . c o m (remove asterisks)
The article is very good on Obama vs Hillary foreign policy credentials…
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/06/obama-and-his-advisors-not-ready-for-prime-time/#more-1724
Kaffeen…that’s great. See if you can pick up the NoQuarter story and see if they will run it in syndication of some form. GREAT info about Hillary
You should forward that to me. Anything I get that can be fact checked will get turned over to my contacts at various national papers whom I have been able to gain real and substantive communication with. These are people who can get things published, however, it will have to pass “the test”.
I figured something out last night. Hillary started with a 75k deficit on vote day, so one vote day(TX), she actually recieved 175k more votes than him, or about 10% more of the vote. Interesting, huh?
Kaffeen, you’ve got mail
Can’t figure out what I just wrote that got pulled LOL, but maybe Admin doesn’t like English Muffins!
The Bunker comment was from one of BO’s people in Ohio.
This POWERS is precisely the kind of overeducated self promoting FOOL that Bambi would be attracted to. People like this would populate his administration and their presence coupled with his lack of oversight and managerial competence would lead to one disaster after another.
When I think of HILLARY the proper metaphor is not monster but as one blogger correctly pointed out yesterday–WONDER WOMAN. Why? Because she has represents the best values and aspirations of our country, is willing to fight the forces of evil for us and has superhuman strength and endurance. In sum, Hillary is a national heroine.
That Powers cannot see this and casts Hillary in a negative light is the true measure of her own delusion. That Bambi sits there with his thumb up his ass and tolerates this shit from his surrogates is further evidence that he is a uniter only in the sense that Chimpy was–which is to say that he is most definitely a divider. That more people do not see him for what he is tempts me to think that perhaps Menken was right after all about the gullibility of many people.
Please Help!
We can’t believe Obama’s campaign has stooped to calling Senator Clinton “a monster” and using the f-bomb in international press. We are sending him a message with a MONSTER MARCH MONDAY MONEY BOMB.
Please help us by donating $20.44 on Monday March 10th, 2008…$10 for the monster pejorative, $10 for the f-bomb and, as always, .44 for Clinton-44.
http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/03/monster-march-monday-money-bomb.html#links
I want to thank the posters here for calling out the racist bullsh** coming from some people on this site. I know most of you guys get that not all blacks are the same, Al Sharpton doesn’t speak for every african american in this country, and there’s no seething hatred for Hillary with most black voters.
Absolutely. Please stop with the OJ Simpson talk. There is no comparison.
LMAO! Laura Ingram is quoting Powers as if it had come from Barack’s mouth. And says “HIS use of the word unattractive” was calculated!
Powers comment about Hillary has now opened a huge can of worms for the Obama campaign and it’s supporters. Does anyone really think that Powers just came up with this amazing new thought that Hillary is a monster and will do anything to win the nomination? Obama left out the first part, but he is already quoted as believing the second part of her quote. It stands to reason that this is the talk in his campaign… mean…sore loser…chip on the shoulder talk.
Well maybe this is a pollyanna statement on my part, but the media should be all over this. A two-liner apology from Obama that lacks credibility doesn’t do it for me. Why aren’t the media pundits decrying the very idea that Obama and his people are disrespecting a former first lady and proven senator in such a way? Why isn’t Obama saying right off the bat that this woman is gone?
Well at least Hillary is in great company. Eleanor Roosevelt was attacked from all sides despite all her good works.
SpacegirlArt – I like to see that because that is exactly how they treated Hillary when her surrogates said stuff
I agree with Ingram. I don’t believe for a second these things just happen. Thats why a woman said it. By the way, notice he didn’t apologize to Hill, he merely decried the comments.
nikki
agreed:) we hillary supporters must remain focused on exposing BO for exactly what he is, not a uniter, but a divider and a political sham, nothing to do with race, he’s just bad for the country.
cheers, irish 4 hillary!!!
Ingram was actually quite impressed with Hillary today “She is not conceeding anything to Obama. She marched right in there to Mississippi and is taking away the votes of the Goldwater Democrats”
She said she had to admire her. (secretly, I think Laura is FOR hill after listening to her for a few days now)
True, she will go after her like usual, but I bet in the voting booth, it will be Hillary. No one knows, but a fun thing to think about! LOL
linfar
hope you could use that stuff i sent:)
gotta work now, cheers
mj, if that was a calculated comment, it was the worst calculation. I hope your right, because that means we will have a much easier road.
Here Here! Kaf!
II agree
By the way, notice he didn’t apologize to Hill, he merely decried the comments.
He SAID he would fire anyone in his campaign who made remarks like that. Is he gonna stick to his promises or isn’t he? That’s what I want to know. If he doesn’t…we blast his ass for lying YET AGAIN!
All Wolfson has to do is remind the voters what Bambi SAID he would do, and ask if he intends to go back on his word yet again. If Bambi fires her, I’m happy. If he doesn’t…I’m even happier because then we can play the empty rhetric card.
Rhetoric.
Sheesh.
I know it has been a hard-fought primary so far and there are a lot of frayed nerves and hurt feelings all around. May I respectfully suggest that we keep our focus on Obama and his inept campaign and not on the people who voted for him?
May I respectfully suggest that we keep our focus on Obama and his inept campaign and not on the people who voted for him?
No…you may NOT respectfully suggest that. They are idiots and I intend to bring that up every chance I get.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_el_pr/pennsylvania_voter_voices;_ylt=Av.66aIDyA9l4G9mZec04_1h24cA
Among black Democrats, there is an undeniable sense of pride that Obama could be the first black president.
Single mother Kenya Howard, 32, lists health care as her biggest day-to-day concern. Unemployed and uninsured, she avoids going to the doctor because it costs $50 for a visit. She likes Obama’s health plan, but that is not the primary reason why she is supporting him.
“A good portion of it is because he’s black,” said Howard, of Allentown. “I think a lot of black people would say that.”
Ya think?? If health care was such an important day to day concern, then wouldn’t you vote for the candidate with the truly universal health care plan??
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/game-time.html
Jake is da’ man…he cracks me up…
Game Time
March 07, 2008 9:15 AM
Match the Obama aide with the country and the screw-up (Note: includes future projected screw-ups. Also note: this is just a joke. Relax.)
1. Austan Goolsbee
2. Samantha Power
3. Greg Craig
4. Robert Gibbs
5. David Axelrod
6. David Plouffe
7. Steve Hildebrand
8. Tommy Vietor
1. Canada
2. Scotland
3. Jordan
4. Sweden
5. Monaco
6. Chad
7. The Vatican
8. Kuwait
1. Told Canadian diplomats to ignore candidate’s anti-NAFTA rhetoric
2. Told local newspaper Hillary Clinton is a “monster”
3. Poured soup on prime minister’s lap
4. Tried to smuggle kitten out of country
5. Wore native tribal dress and yelled “Happy Halloween”!
6. Threatened to nuke country after customs agent was rude
7. Kept referring to country as “Constantinople”
8. Brought take-out to state dinner
- jpt
LOL, Idunn, you are a force of nature.
I agree. Especially, because in reality african americans, according to polls, actually hold the some of the highest favorability ratings for Hillary. They are not voting against Hillary when they vote for BO.
empty rhetric card
@IDunn
Archie Bunker ain’t got nuffin on you! LOL
I have to work for a bit. But I am in the building. I will be back.
the following is from TM.
OT: Anybody who wants to write a letter about the candidates to the editor of the Casper Star-Tribune in WY needs to do so by noon today
http://my.trib.com/post/ClarkWalworth/blog/speaking_your_mind.html
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Speaking Your Mind
Posted by: Clark Walworth on March 6, 2008 at 6:44PM EST
We’re receiving quite a few letters to the editor about the candidates for the Democratic nomination. We’d welcome more, but time is short.
If you want your letter published in Saturday’s newspaper, please e-mail it to us by noon Friday. Send it to letters@trib.com. Include your phone number and home address, for verification purposes.
Meanwhile, you’re welcome to post your comments about the candidates right here on Ed Shed, or on any of the stories on trib.com. Unlike letters to the editor, online comments can be anonymous.
–Clark
Brought take-out to state dinner
That one sounds like Axelrod to me.
Oh, I know 5. It’s Deval Patrick. Cute story. That was his first date with his wife, whom I really like. Diane Patrick. Classy lady.
Archie Bunker ain’t got nuffin on you! LOL
Heh heh heh…I’m the bi-racial, female Archie Bunker. Stifle!
Tried to smuggle kitten out of country
This one is a trick question. The answer if Plouffe…but first he killed the kitten and turned it into earmuffs.
Morning Hub reminds Obama of his vow:
“After losing Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island, Sen. Obama’s campaign is attacking Hillary. Sen. Obama’s foreign policy advisor attacked Hillary as a “monster.” In December, Sen. Obama said he would remove people who “tear people down personally.”
the following is comment from TM
OT: Anybody who wants to write a letter about the candidates to the editor of the Casper Star-Tribune in WY needs to do so by noon today
my.trib.com/post/ClarkWalworth/blog/speaking_your_mind.html
–
Speaking Your Mind
Posted by: Clark Walworth on March 6, 2008 at 6:44PM EST
We’re receiving quite a few letters to the editor about the candidates for the Democratic nomination. We’d welcome more, but time is short.
If you want your letter published in Saturday’s newspaper, please e-mail it to us by noon Friday. Send it to letters@trib.com. Include your phone number and home address, for verification purposes.
Meanwhile, you’re welcome to post your comments about the candidates right here on Ed Shed, or on any of the stories on trib.com. Unlike letters to the editor, online comments can be anonymous.
–Clark
It is my understanding that surrogates speak for the candidate, so how can Obama separate himself from Powers comment? He may have decried it, but as others have said, it was not an apology to Hillary. Also, the comment speaks volumes for what is going on in his campaign. The obamabots refer to Hillary as a “monster.” He is a hypocrite and speaking out of both sides of his mouth. His campaign is not based upon reality.
Someone mentioned that his administration would be filled with people such as Powers. This is scary. In the past two weeks, we have had, the over the top response to the picture, NAFTA-GATE(from his own campaign, not Hillary’s), the lame response to the 3 a.m. ad, Rezko, and Powers comment. Maybe, his campaign is starting to implode? Everything seemed to be going well, as long as they were winning.
Finally, I believe the “Archie Bunker” remark came from an AA local politician, who supports Obama.
I dont have any time. Come on, guys. One of you write a nice letter of support for Hill for that WY paper.
Hillary and Camp need to highly publicize this comment and tell the press that they are prepared for the Obama camp to go negative.
Hillary Campaign Calls On Obama To Fire Adviser Who Called Hillary A “Monster”
By Greg Sargent – March 7, 2008, 10:25AM
On a conference call just now, Hillary advisers and surrogates called on Obama to fire senior foreign policy adviser Samantha Power for calling Hillary a “monster.”
“Personal attacks are not the way to convince voters that you’re capable of being president of the United States,” New York Rep. Nita Lowey, a key Hillary surrogate, said. “We’re calling on Senator Obama to make it very clear that Samantha Power should not be part of this campaign.”
“It’s really a very important test for Obama,” Lowey said, adding that whether or not he fired Power was a “test of character.”
Rep. Gregory Meeks, an African American Hillary supporter, reiterated the call for Power’s firing, saying that the only appropriate way for Obama to proceed is “Senator Obama saying that this person can no longer be associated with his campaign.”
Hillary spokesman Howard Wolfson added a few more twists of the knife, suggesting that Obama’s handling of the Power affair would demonstrate the “kind of leadership” Obama was prepared to show.
This is some serious hardball — it’s obviously all about trying to tarnish Obama’s high-mindedness. More in a bit.
You know guys/gals, this is great, I actually have a sense of humor after Tuesday. I think it began on Monday when the media actually began to ask some tough questions (no pillows, please).
What did I tell ya! Damn…I SWEAR Wolfson reads Big Pink!
Now, when Obama refuses to fire Sammy, Wolfson just needs to say, “Well, Obama SAID he would fire anyone who made remarks like that. Was that just more words?”
“# mj Says:
I agree. Especially, because in reality african americans, according to polls, actually hold the some of the highest favorability ratings for Hillary. They are not voting against Hillary when they vote for BO.”
Interesting you say that. It’s like “I vote for the war but I don’t support it” or “I vote against the war but I actually support the war”. Can anyone explain why Hillary got such a cold reception at the Black Caucus a few weeks ago？ What did she do to them to deserve it if she was so loved? It was truly hostile. I am not complaining about the regular AA voters, but the behavior of some of the AA leaders is very disappointing and disgusting. There are some very courageous ones such as the Philly mayor Michael Nutters. I saw him on CNN last night and I was very impressed.
Also it’s just wrong to label people racists when they criticize black voters or merely mention O.J. This is exactly the mentality that the Hussein Obama camp has been trying to impose on people.
And, yes, the focus should be on the campaign and on Hillary.
MSNBC just reported “breaking news” (i.e. Powers Firing et al).
I’m really interested in seeing if he fires her. They are reportedly very close. His words indicate he should fire her. This is going to be FUN.
Can anyone explain why Hillary got such a cold reception at the Black Caucus a few weeks ago
She didn’t get a cold reception. The gave her a standing ovation when she took the stage and again after she finished her one on one with Smiley.
WOW!! Thats what im talking about!!!
MSNBC is reporting now, tune in.
Spacegirl: there are many Republicans who have not drunk the koolaide for McCain, and see him as another Bob Dole. They have the mental and emotional capacity to form a sober second judgment about people based on new evidence. Hillary has provided them with new evidence as a senator and as a candidate. For them the right wing characture no longer works, they know the country is in trouble and they value the competence, judgment and experience she has uber alles.
So Powers now joins the hallowed ranks of General McPeak and others who have made intemperate assine dehumunanizing remarks about Hillary, which reflect the reality of his campaign as opposed to the high faleutin rhetoric, gets caught and launches into a soliloquy about how much they really admire Hillary.
Cross-examination:
Q: You said Hillary was a monster did you not?
Q: And now you say you admire her?
Q: Were you lying then, or are you lying now, or are you not in fact a chronic and habitual LIAR?
lol
Kaff…tell me what they say on MSNBC. I only have basic cable.
The fact that he wavered on this goes to his lack of character. He should have come out right away and said she was fired.
Idunn, they are just reporting Power comments, Clinton team and surrogates calling for her firing, the luke-warm support Obama campaign has shown for Power (currently), et al…
of course, they are also playing the “Ken Starr” comments that Wolfson made. WHich is fine with me, I think that is a wonderful move.
MSNBC said that members of congress who support Hillary have called on Obama’s camp to fire Powers. Then they said that the comment was off the record, but was printed anyway. I believe you have to say Off the Record 1st.
but what foreign policy experience does this woman bring to his team?
She has no credibility now and if this is the type he’s associating himself with to get advice on how to get our enemies to the table…enuf said.
As I said a few days ago..his campaign just needs to keep talking. Hillary just needs to keep campaigning. Her message is getting out and the voters are keeping her in the race. She hasn’t won the big states without massive support.
BO : “I’m sorry Sammy, I have no choose but to fire you now. I hope you understand.”
SP : “If you fire me you son of a bitch, I’m gonna have to tell Michelle all about that night in the limo.”
BO : ” Well then, I’m afraid I’ll have to have you killed, Sammy.”
That’s the convo of my dreams anyway.
well, the “people look at her and go ergh” we not off the reccrd and neither was calling Ohioans OBSESSED.
The whole conversation needs to be exposed by the campaign.
That Ken Starr comment was a superior move. That is essentially a “Check-Mate”. Now, if Obambi starts trying to smear Hillary and ask for “records”, he is going to be associated with “Ken Starr” like tactics (which democrats generally do not appreciate and invokes a lot of money wasted with no results). Also, if he tries to smear Hill, the premise of his whole campaign is lost (and that is all he’s got). Brilliant!
Idunn: You are bad. lol.
Dot: Powers is a professor at Harvard and has written a book on genocide, which first brought her to Obama’s attention. She is quite close to him, and he has text messaged her on at least 3 occassions in middle of the night. This comment speaks volumes for his campaign.
Poor Bambi…he’s in for a really bad week. March 8-12 is gonna be particulary bad methinks.
What I love about this is that once again he will be on the defensive. This will take away from his message and show just how negative his campaign really is.
:: Hands bathroom sink to Hillary ::
Here girl…throw it. You’ll feel better once you do. Trust me.
Those comments about Hillary sound like Power’s been spending too much time talking to Tweety.
So this is his tactic .. too nasty for him but his “aides” can get by with it.
I hope HillaryTeam simply puts out an ad with all these little snippets in it.
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080307/pl_nm/usa_politics_foreignpolicy_dc_3;_ylt=AsSv2hGm9Zl.AeU9Aw3TAV5h24cAis
I guess he’d just let his “aides” handle everything in the White House.
Clinton Team needs to step up and rout him on these types of tactics.
i think the clinton camp is just messing with bho. I don’t think they really care wether they fire power or not. I think the issue is bho words not power. If he fires her all the good, if not, no cred, just words plus another news cycle lost to him
mj Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I agree. Especially, because in reality african americans, according to polls, actually hold the some of the highest favorability ratings for Hillary. They are not voting against Hillary when they vote for BO.
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I guess I’m going to have to keep saying this…Most African Americans love the Clintons but it is a dream of ours to want to see an AA president and unfortunately imo, most have drunk the Kool-aid over Obama mainly because of WHITE PEOPLE, THE PROGRESSIVE 527, HOWARD DEAN WING OF THE DNC and THE MEDIA having this lovefest and the Chicago’s “Gang of New York” or “Al Capone” THUGGERY, DIRTY, CORRUPT STYLE POLITICS.
So for all you who have been bashing AA’s please look in the mirror and return the favor on your own fellow DEMS who looks just like you and have been the main contributors of Clinton HATRED in THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
Because NAFTA-Gate and now Powell Gate and that horrendous piece int Bloomberg media were not done by African Americans.
And just like any group we have our wingnuts….That’s why I called for the Removal of Jessie Jackson Jr. and the rest of those Race Baiters on the Clinton because it will hurt all of us after this election is over…Obama is the beneficiary on the back of other people sacrifices and for his campaign to BURN BRIDGES for his own personal adgenda and to threaten other more deserving AA’s who support Hillary Clinton is just inexcusable.
Obama is NOT a MOVEMENT, he is NOT Martin Luther King Jr. Obama is a first term Senator from Illinios who can give a good canned speech that has been tested before by someone else.
So I see Obama as any other Politician and FIND him LACKING to be the POTUS!!!!
Spacegirlart:
lol! You and I are both listening to Laura today. I posted her comments over at TM this morning.
yes, she said that you have to give Hill credit for going straight into BO’s territory in MS.
She also said that BO’s use of the word ‘unattractive’w as calculated and she feels that Hill has been looking great…the best she has.
Wed, she said that Hill won and di it on her own…good for her.
Re BO, she said how come BO hasn’t responded to the NY bombing and where is William Ayers? I think that she was being sarcastic but why hasn’t he responded on put out a statement. She played a bit of Hill’s comments that ‘…we must be vigilant..’.
@anbritt,
I respectfully disagree. This speaks to a huge pattern of verbal strike outs on his part and that of his campaign. He just keeps getting away with it. Hillary has fired important campaign supporters for getting personal. He needs to do the same. It’s a matter of principle.
I have never been able to figure out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or why it matters that AAs like Hillary if they vote for Obama and she fails to win the nomination because of it. There are only two respects in which this could even be relevant:
First, if Hillary gets the nomination and Barack, Wilder or Jackson incite them (and the white punks) to riot over it, then the fact that they like Hillary could be a deterent. But that seems highly speculative to me.
Second, if AAs like Hillary and she is the nominee, then they are more likely to vote for her in the general election rather than stay home. Also this puts the lie to Barcacks assertion that his supporters would not support Hillary. But that is highly speculative as well.
So I must return to the original question–what differerence does it make if AAs like Hillary if they vote for Obama. And would they still like her if he is not the nominee.
Does this mean they would accept Hillary if she gets the nomination and not riot if the estimable Governor Douglas Wilder incites them to? And if they riot is there any question that the white punks who support Obama would do likewise? They do not pretend to like Hillary. What they like is airplane glue.
carbynew, that’s what I was saying. I hope you are not insulted by me. I’m saying that most aa’s are voting for BO not against Hillary, and I find these remarks that boil everyone down to Al Sharpton distasteful.
Yes, they would vote for her if she is the nominee for the most part. This is just a scare tactic by Sharpton. That’s the point.
please ignore my last paragraph. Forgot to delete it. My racial bias against the white punks is showing.
The white punks are far more apt to riot.
I really hope Hillary is not giving up on North Carolina. I live in the Triangle area and there is a lot of support for Hillary here. Everywhere I go when people see my Hillary button they smile. In the News and Observer this morning there was an article about a poll taken after Tuesday which had Hillary only trailing Obama by 4 percentage points.
Everyone I talk to wants her to to hold a rally here so they can see her and hear her speak. I really hope the campaign seriously considers coming here because she could definitely win.
More Samantha Powers (this time on whether Obama would stick to his Iraq withdrawal timeline):
From Politico’s Ben Smith:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Power on Obama’s Iraq plan: “best case scenario”
For all the chatter about Obama adviser Samantha Power’s calling Clinton a “monster,” another set of remarks made on her book tour in the United Kingdom may be equally threatening to the Obama campaign: Comments in a BBC interview that express a lack of confidence that Obama will be able to carry through his plan to withdraw troops from Iraq within 16 months.
Power downplayed Obama’s commitment to quick withdrawal from Iraq on Hard Talk, a program that often exceeds any of the U.S. talk shows in the rigor of its grillings. She was challenged on Obama’s Iraq plan, as it appears on his website, which says that Obama “will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”
“What he’s actually said, after meting with the generals and meeting with intelligence professionals, is that you – at best case scenario – will be able to withdraw one to two combat brigades each month. That’s what they’re telling him. He will revisit it when he becomes president,” Power says.
The host, Stephen Sackur, challenged her:”So what the American public thinks is a commitment to get combat forces out in 16 months isn’t a commitment isn’t it?”
“You can’t make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009,” she said. “He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a US senator. He will rely upon a plan – an operational plan – that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now, as a result of not being the president. So to think – it would be the height of ideology to sort of say, ‘Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.’”
“It’s a best-case scenario,” she said again.
Obama’s and Clinton’s have both refused to promise a firm timeline for withdrawal, even by 2013, because of the changing situation on the ground in Iraq. But Power also seemed to depart from Obama’s optimism that his plan is likely to work.
Power identified herself in the interview as an “informal advisor” to Obama.
“I’ve never been in politics before, I’ve thought of being on a show like this defending a presidential candidate before, and I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t agree with him,” she said.
You can watch the full interview here. The discussion of Iraq begins around 3:45. And thanks to the reader who sent over the link.
ONCE AGAIN: WORDS vs ACTION
Tareli: I don’t think, she is giving up on North Carolina. Isn’t the primary in May?
I have never been able to figure out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin,
The answer is 3. IF they haven’t eaten alot of cake.
“I’ve never been in politics before”
Nah…you’re joking.
The comments by Samantha Powers about Obama’s Iraq withdrawal plans is more dangerous to him in the long-ter. This is a way to drive a wedge between him and his anti-war supporters who all believe that he is going to withdraw right away.
Powers has resigned from the Obama campaign.
A new pair of Rasmussen polls test how Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama might perform against each other if new elections are called for the Michigan and Florida Democratic primaries:
Florida
Clinton 55%
Obama 39%
Michigan
Clinton 41%
Obama 41%
MS-Pres (D) Mar 7 ARG
Obama 58%, Clinton 34%
mj is right. There are those white, liberal punk idiots that would riot with Al Sharpton. They have a fear of women, and sit in their apartments and dorms picking zits and wishing they had a girlfriend.
i have full confidence that Hillary would win a primary in FL. I have less confidence she would win a caucus in MI
Powers resigns:
thepage.time.com/
LOL. Nah Nah, Nah Nah Nah Nah, Hey Hey Hey, Bye bye.
“Powers has resigned from the Obama campaign.”
So she did the right thing and he didn’t have to make an executive decision….enough said!
Yay. She is gone.
JanH, he will have more decisions, he evidently has employed the equivalents of Curly, Moe, and Larry.
Powers has resigned from the Obama campaign.
Yeah, the resigned her. LOL!
Obambi’s Week In Review….wow, what a wonderful week indeed…
time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/03/obamas_week_in_review.html
So, what was up with that minister that spoke for obama in Mississippi that said “this is the new ‘white flight’”? Were her supporters there all white? I know her supporters mostly left after she spoke (as would I, I did at Iowa JJ).
@kaffeen,
She resigned so that Obama could curtail the bad press coming about this.
Why should we ask Barack to fire Powers? As long as she continues to trapse around the world saying stupid things that undermine her candidate, I say leave her right where she is. For Barack she is an ablatross, a self inflicted wound, an arrogant opinionated expert on everything not unlike Michelle. My god, that the time honored tradition of statescraft should come down to this. Where is the practical wisdom, the elegant inuendo, the sophistication of how to deal with the foreign press. As I say Barack keep this idiot right where she is. Ditto with the goul who held seances with the Canadians on NAFTA.
You know, the more I read about Power……I’m really beginning to take a serious look if Obama does indeed have some Muslim and anti-Israel leanings. I mean *seriously* look at it.
mj Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 11:28 am
carbynew, that’s what I was saying. I hope you are not insulted by me. I’m saying that most aa’s are voting for BO not against Hillary, and I find these remarks that boil everyone down to Al Sharpton distasteful.
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MJ, Those Threats and comments coming out of OBAMA”S Campaign are distasteful and we should call them out forcefully and throw it right back at Obami’s Leadership qualities and his unfitness for POTUS and to be the HEAD of OUR military.
EVERY TIME they make a threat we will blow it up and say this is the type of Leadership shills Obama has!!!
If they won’t to take out their knifes will bring our intellect and shine that mirror of incompetence right back at them. You have to STAND against a BULLY and LETS REMIND SHARPTON that if IMUS had to go…HE can go too….we don’t need that type of inflammatory rhetoric on the airwaves…His Radio show is a privilege and for him to be inciting RIOTS should be reported to the FCC!!!
JanH….she resigned because Obambi made her resign. Um, just wait, the bad news is still coming. You seem to be a bit depressed about this?
No. I wanted more drama before she resigned.
Barack Obama is so arrogant that he has anti-gay leanings (donnie m.), anti-Latino leanings (stealing si se puede), anti-AA leanings ironically (skipping all of the AA events held to date, except a few), and anti-working class positions, and he has questions on his honesty in regards to issues in the Jewish community too. He is so fake that we don’t know where he really stands on anything.
Kaffeen,
LOL…not depressed at all. I’m just saying that Obama is showing his weaknesses more and more…just saying…
The *real* news here is Obambi’s amateur hour diplomacy, diplomats, and national experience.
WOW!
just came up to see this good news!
as it should be!
Off to class
Jan H: I agree with you but what I am saying is that the clinton camp is not goinmg to live or die by this comment..it is a question of character for him..does he stand by his word or not. the clinton camp just has another little nugget to push on him and he loses another news cycle…
Shucks. She resigned. Oh well there’s more where she came from. If she did not exist Bambi would have to invent her. The burning question is how will this. . . mishap. . . . affect her book sales?
@Birdgal, I heard them talking about the upcoming primaries and they mentioned that Hillary had a good chance of winning PA, Indiana, Kentucky and WV. They didn’t mention NC.
Next we should push to get Michelle to resign.
I think BO should resign because of his “you’re nice enough” remark.
hillary live MS foxnews.com stream
Tareli: I think, NC is questionable because of the high AA population.
Here are my thoughts:
1. Why hasn’t Obama personally apologized to Hill like she did re Billy Shaheen? Bob Johnson is not the same as he wasn’t affiliated with the campaign. Why hasn’t he personally made a statement?
2. Samantha Power will bring more problems. Go to http://www.politico.com to read her interview in the UK where she speaks for BO and hedges on his committment to bring the troops home right away.
3. Read up on what she has said re Palestine and Israel.
I don’t think that he wants the headache that she would bring when people start to investigate some of her writings notwithstanding the fact that she has done good work re genocide.
I think he should resign because I can no longer correctly say “Pakistan” or “Massachusetts” thanks to him.
I would like to see Michelle Obama release *her* thesis. I would like to see Obambi talk to Chicago Sun-Times in person and answer their questions. I would like to see him release his records, emails, and transcripts of his dealings with Rezko. I would like to see Hillary as 44.
kafeen @12:52: that is the real reason she resigned. I am quite sure it did not come from Barack however. He is not a details man and deplores messy personal situations. The fact that he had someone in his inner circle who harbor such views merely reinforces the perception that he does not know what he is doing in the critical area of foreign policy. And by the Almighty this is the tough part of the job–no no not the speeches but the details, putting the right people in place, giving them proper guidelines, monioring what they do–all the pedestrian mundane stuff that he is not interested in that ultimately spells the difference between success and failure.
even with the resignation, I hope that the media will do a story, Who is Samantha Power – bring up the UK interview about her doubts of BO withdrawal of troops, and any anti-Israel stance.
…wish she hadn’t “resigned’ so early in the day.
wbboei….as many have said, Obambi is lazy and doesn’t like to work with “details”. Well, we now can bear witness to how that 40,000 level overview works. Not very well, eh?
BTW, Rice is trying to say her words about Obambi not being ready for that 3 AM phone call were taken out of context. What else is new? It’s always about people misunderstanding them isn’t it? That is getting old. Another thing that is getting old, that speech he gave about Iraq. Doesn’t really have the same ring to it, does it?
I guess his whole advisory team should be chanting, everything’s “just words”
And now….Puerto Rico is going to be Hill’s….read below…
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) — Seizing on a rare opportunity to influence U.S. politics, Puerto Rico’s Democratic Party has chosen to hold a presidential primary instead of a caucus to encourage more islanders to participate in the June 1 contest, an official said Friday.
Roberto Prats, party chairman in the U.S. territory, said the switch approved Thursday by the central committee will put pressure on Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama to campaign in the Caribbean island.
With 55 delegate votes at stake, Puerto Rico will hold one of the last primaries — followed only by Montana and South Dakota — and could play an influential role in a tight race.
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“If Puerto Rico is going to play such a significant role, we should give the world a showcase of democracy,” Prats said. “We know how to vote, we vote in masses and I think it’s Puerto Rico’s show time.”
Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens, but they cannot vote in the general presidential election and have no voting representation in Congress.
The island has seven superdelegates among its 62 convention votes. Three of the superdelegates are committed to Clinton, two to Obama, and two are uncommitted.
Puerto Rican politics largely revolve around the long-standing debate over what should be the island’s future relationship to the U.S. mainland. Clinton may benefit from the island’s close links to New York, home to many people from Puerto Rico.
Island Democrats still need national party approval for the switch to a primary, but Prats said they incorporated suggestions on a draft proposal and do not expect any objections.
Prats said the contest has long been scheduled for June 1 and he attributed erroneous reports that list June 7 as the date to a typing mistake in a document sent to the national party.
Anglachel’s Journal has two new posts since last night. Check them out: http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com
Also check out the Confluence: riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
And Taylor Marsh: http://www.taylormarsh.com
No Quarter: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog
Just wanted to let you guys know Hillary still has lots of support on the web and you don’t need to go to HuffPo, mydd, or TPM anymore. Don’t even give them the traffic. And pass these sites along to their friends. These guys are the ones who deserve the ad revenue and support.
I think Power should resign from the female sex. I hate making personal attacks and sexistly focusing on female appearance, but I think it’s relevant in this situation. I suspect that, once again with the disgusting female Hillary haters, Power’s comment* revealed her jealousy because Hillary’s better looking than Samantha. Clinton’s always been very pretty, she always will be. And I’ve also thought of her as a Wonder Woman, as someone said above. There seem to be lots of jealous-of-Hillary females. People are allowed to have either brains or beauty, but usually not both. The same is true for males too, it’s just a bit worse for females in a patriarchal society.
(*I also think Power likely had explicit or implied approval from BO for her comment. This may be his new plan: attack Clinton using his staff and then throwing his staff under the bus so he can do his damage and personally look clean afterward–at least in his warped mind and the warped minds of some of his supporters he’ll look clean.)
Hillary Clinton raised $6,108,345 in 48 hours! (per her homepage)
Human feet are washing up on the beaches of Canada. I think Barack must be really pissed at the Canadian government to do that.
BTW, Rice is trying to say her words about Obambi not being ready for that 3 AM phone call were taken out of context.
I’m sure the republicans will take that into consideration in the GE.
Puerto not winner take all though, damn! that could have pushed her over the edge.
Adding to the comment that Obama is lazy. I read on another blog last night that Obama was not a great editor on Harvard Law Review. I’m at a top 10 law school right now so I can attest that anyone who can get on law review has to be the best students in their class. I read that Obama became editor-in-chief because people liked him but once he was editor he had a lazy attitude towards the publication. He wanted to change it from the traditional format that they’ve followed for however hundreds of years…sound familiar? I guess he’s always believed that change could always be easily implemented without any mistakes…and future editor-in-chiefs had to put in the effort to turn the publication around back to the way it was before he came around. I wish someone from Harvard would come forward but I’m sure they are all afraid of some backlash or people thinking that they are just jealous of BO. But this is telling of his leadership style and what we can expect from him.
@wbboei said “And by the Almighty this is the tough part of the job–no no not the speeches but the details, putting the right people in place, giving them proper guidelines, monioring what they do–all the pedestrian mundane stuff that he is not interested in that ultimately spells the difference between success and failure.”
…..and a Clinton Presidency or just another Bush
Re: Tired words…
Oakland Tribune quote…
The world-class orator, attacked by opponents for being all talk and no walk, urgently needs to come up with a new speech.
I think we will see more of this. His words are tired, old, and have no substance. Let’s see what happens.
Tuesday truly was a reset. The Hillary campaign has a fresh start. Forget the past mistakes, this day forward is a new race and we can learn from the mistakes and work to find ways to make…
March = March to the White House!
# Tiny Dancer Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
BTW, Rice is trying to say her words about Obambi not being ready for that 3 AM phone call were taken out of context.
I’m sure the republicans will take that into consideration in the GE.
ROFL!
BBut have no fear. McCain will not be in the General Election
Good article on Power…
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/more_obama_amateur_hour_diplom_1.html
I’m going to be catty for a moment and say I really want to wax Power’s eyebrows.
BBut have no fear. McCain will not be in the General Election
LOL
I meant Obama….but gee…maybe this is some sort of premonition! LOL
Has Bambi visited Uganda lately?
http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/News/0,,2-11-1447_2264912,00.html
(I need to stop)
LoL Space. Obama switches teams and becomes the republican nominee?
TD…who knows, he can’t win this one!
Idunn@12:05: if Barack refuses to resign, then it is my considered opinion that we should proceed with discharge for the reasons you state, i.e. “I can no longer correctly say “Pakistan” or “Massachusetts” thanks to him”. And if the arbitrator needs more then we can present 999 additional reasons why discharge should be upheld.
HighlyEducated – interesting about his law review days at Harvard – where’s the source? I think this is relevant, and if the media has even half their knives out for BO, they might look into it.
MSNBC just said that in a speech in Mississippi, Hillary again alluded to a ticket with Obama (their interpretation) as she said people often talk to her and say “gee, I wish I could vote for you, and I wish I could vote for Senator Obama” MSNBC reports that she said something to the effect of “well, maybe someday you can”
(now…i am just thinking at this point, she is thinking “when hell freezes over” in the back of her mind…but it is a pretty savvy thing to say, don’tcha think!?
)
Wbboei…I agree. I’ll be sure to bring my bible so I can point out the relevent passages of Revelations.
American Thinker – Nice article Kaffeen – send it along to Politico and Jake Tapper – they might actually be receptive.
toss em a fish
hi hillfans. over 6 million dollars raised since tuesday. wow!!! who says we can’t match obama in raising money? YAY!!!
I’m not voting for the devil damn it. Not even as the backseat driver. Hillary needs to shut up with this shit before I throw something at her.
Right turns up Rezko heat on Obama
Andrew Zajac
Lest anyone fail to remember the link between accused influence peddler, Antoin (Tony) Rezko, now on trial in Chicago, and Barack Obama, a new web site, rezkorama.com launched yesterday to help cement the connection.
Conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt claims credit for the site and offers this explanation for it.
There’s a bit of high-mindedness about the need to know who Obama really is, but Hewitt doesn’t hide from his bare-knuckle political motivations in taking the Illinois junior senator down a peg or two. He closes his explanatory column thusly:
“Did I mention that Obama’s name come up in opening arguments in the Rezko trial? Or that Obama fled a press conference focused on the matter? Or that Hillary brought up Rezko in a debate?
weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/right_turns_up_rezko_heat_on_o.html
Let me preface this by saying, Hill should go to the mat on Obambi, all or nothing, kitchen sink….
It is beginning to dawn on me that it is increasingly likely that the democratic party can only win the White House with a Clinton-Obambi ticket (with Hill on top). If the DNC or some “Lone Ranger” would just talk to the little Obambi, we may have a better chance with him in the “on the job training” role. The sooner he signs up, the better for the party. If he doesn’t, well it is his fault that he fissured the party.
IDunn…i see it as a “hook” with “maybe someday” as the qualifer. Not to worry unless the party bosses are making deals. I’ll still vote for Hil if this IS the case, because she can send him off to cut the ribbons at all the manufacturing plants and green energy jobs she will have created.
My paranoid little brain says that if I were Hillary Clinton I wouldn’t trust Obama as her V.P. any further than I could throw him. I can just see him spreading his insiduously vapid influence behind her back, sabatoging her good works, and allowing Michelle to roam the halls at 3 a.m. in the morning…
If she takes Bambi as vp, I’m afraid we’ll find HER feet washed up on some Canadian beach.
Re Hugh Hewitt site…wonder if my friends at talk radio are passing around the RezkoWatch email……LOL!
HAHA!!!!!!!
…What’s been happening at that Ugandan school sounds like everyday at American schools, especially if a substitute teacher is involved; the human world’s a terrible mess.
I’m not familiar with that specific country’s environmental situation, but when kids are involved especially, I’d look at diet issues, toxins in the environment, lead and other heavy metals, some kind of poisoning.
There’s been speculation that Rome fell in part because of lead poisoning. The vessels used for wine were loaded with lead, which can cause mental problems. The acids in the wine probably leached the lead even more.
Bambi would never be allowed to be a Cheney
I was thinking the same thing, Fran. The need to check their wheat.
Grrrr…every single time I’ve typed the word “they” today, I’ve left the “y” off.
What’s up with that?
Okay…off the interent with me. I’ve got work to do.
Have a nicce afternoon folks.
And…When Rezko comes full circle, well….the Veep would be forced to resign now, wouldn’t he.
She’s not stupid. She’s not gonna taint her Presidency with another four to eight years of endless investigations by the Republicans to find out what Bambi has up his skirt.
See ya IDunn
later
cat hair, IDunn
Clinton holding a Press Conference in Hattiesburg soon
Tiny Dancer,
Powers definitely needs a pluck/wax session. I know that a strong brow is popular at the moment…just not that strong! She would put a lot of men to shame with those bushy things.
hillary in pa?
It’s good to see that Obama — finally — will reap what he has sown. Had Obama known his Illinois Presidential history he’d never would have let Rezko buy the other half of his lot. As “a house divided against itself cannot stand”…
“We f***** up in Ohio,”
the new Obama for President Slogan
getting kinda tired of YES WE CAN!
LOL @ new slogan, SpacegirlArt. …check this out y’all, from a reader’s comment to the Washington Post story about the Obama campaign’s “monster” comment:
I was working in the lab late one night
When my eyes beheld an eerie sight
For my monster from her slab began to rise
And suddenly to my surprise
She did the mash
She did the monster mash
The monster mash
It was a graveyard smash
She did the mash
It caught on in a flash
She did the mash
She did the monster mash
From my laboratory in the castle east
To the master bedroom where the vampires feast
The Clintons all came from their humble abodes
To get a jolt from my electrodes
They did the mash
They did the monster mash
The monster mash
It was a graveyard smash
They did the mash
It caught on in a flash
They did the mash
They did the monster mash
The Clintons were having fun
The party had just begun
The guests included Wolf Man
Dracula and his son
The scene was rockin’, all were digging the sounds
Igor on chains, backed by his baying hounds
The coffin-bangers were about to arrive
With their vocal group, “The Crypt-Kicker Five”
They played the mash
They played the monster mash
The monster mash
It was a graveyard smash
They played the mash
It caught on in a flash
They played the mash
They played the monster mash
Out from his coffin, Obama’s voice did ring
Seems he was troubled by just one thing
He opened the lid and shook his fist
And said, “Whatever happened to my Transylvania twist?”
It’s now the mash
It’s now the monster mash
The monster mash
And it’s a graveyard smash
It’s now the mash
It’s caught on in a flash
It’s now the mash
It’s now the monster mash
Now everything’s cool, Bill’s a part of the band
And my monster mash is the hit of the land
For you, the living, this mash was meant too
When you get to my door, tell them Hillary sent you
Then you can mash
Then you can monster mash
The monster mash
And do my graveyard smash
Then you can mash
You’ll catch on in a flash
Then you can mash
Then you can monster mash
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!
Before President Carter the VP had very little to do. BHO would have been fine in that setting. Today the VP usually has many areas of involvement. What does he know how to do?
He’ll learn the Mash
He’ll learn the Monster Mash
Alex Nitwitt MSNBC just asked a guest “Do you think anyone in the Obama campaign minded that Power called Hillary Clinton a monster?”
WTF?????
kaffeen,
Michelle Obama’s thesis got leaked. The urls were at politico iirc, 4 parts.
Maybe Hill should use Monster Mash as her new campaign song?!!!!!
LOL!
HAHAHA!
What does he know how to do?
Well, for one thing if they want to expand the White House with a bigger yard, Obama knows just the go-to-guy… And if it the whole thing becomes public Obama excels at running away (literally) from the media.
Monster mash
ROFLMAO
I think Hillary is wise in implying that Obama may be a running mate. It can make it easier for some voters to vote for her, especially if they are on the fence.
I prefer she find another one, but if it’s determined that she has to drag that weight along in order to win the job then I will still vote for her.
Aha, Samantha Power resigns. Good riddance.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27177
Power Says Obama Iraq Plan Is Only A ‘Best Case Scenario’
facts.hillaryhub.com/
Excited in Wyoming: “More than 2,000 people” turned out yesterday to hear President Bill Clinton in Riverton, where he “drew loud, frequent applause.” … “More than 1,200 people showed up” in Laramie. “The heads of a few of the people turned away appeared in the windows, apparently hoping for a glimpse of the former president.” … “More than 1,000 excited Democrats” came to hear President Clinton in Rock Springs. “The crowd’s turnout and enthusiasm was huge.” … “More then 200 students” showed up to hear Chelsea at Casper College. “Julie Briggs, a Hillary for President pin on her blouse… went to the cafeteria more than an hour early to get a good place.”
blog.hillaryclinton.com/
Idunn: sounds good. You bring your Bible. I will bring a Koran. And we will swear him in twice. I am taking no chances with this slippery witness.
1950dem, can you provide a link to Michelle Obambi’s thesis?
meiyingsu…i just heard a guy on TV from CQ say about the iraq thing….”the Clinton Camp has given us notes on other things” or something liked that and referred to the Iraq and withdrawl stuff from Obama…but then he said “I think this will be the bigger story if it gets some traction”
and I am thinking…well, dickweed…you HAVE the info.
It was a blatant admission that the Press was NOT covering something that they knew about
YES!!!!!!!
Hillary just nailed it on foreign policy re: Power quote
MSNBC will have the tape soon
SpacegirlArt, a typical BHO character. He says what he doesn’t mean and he means what he doesn’t say.
What did Hillary say?
Plural…I think they must be putting it up on her website now…i cant get to the Press page with update…hang on, I don’t want to paraphrase…it is brilliant!
Obama’s Iraq Pledge Revealed as Double Talk
http://www.taylormarsh.com
y’all we need to donate again today if possible.
The females can call this “PowderPuff Bomb” .. or “MonsterBomb”.
Give till it hurts..actually, it already is LOL but I’m doing it anyway
Clinton up on MSNBC SOON, i think…they keep avoiding it
It is sound strategy for Hillary to suggest that as things now stand she would consider Obama as vice president on her ticket. This is reassuring to the superdelegates, supports party unity and gives her latitude to continue to define the differences as they relate to the position they are both seeking. Whether that combination comes to pass however will depend on many variables and at this point Obama has no incentive to accept, and at some future time Hillary may have no incentive to extend the offer, but for now it is the right move. That said, I have the same qualms the rest of you do about whether Barack and Michelle would be trustworthy in a key role much as I hate to say it.
He’s folding like a cheap lawn chair.
Dot, we are up to OVER 6 million in 48!
YES!!!!!!!
time to give more, I agree…it keeps people stoked. I’ve don $50.88 in 2 days LOL! Plus to Big Pink!
Hillary is inching closer and closer to that magic 50% mark that neither candidate has been able to reach yet in the rasmussen daily tracking poll.
Clinton 49%
Obama 43%
Also some good news out of MS, apparently they have quite a few “Archie Bunker Types” down there. Hillary winning the white vote by a wider margin than he is winning the AA vote.
Inside advantage poll
Obama 46%
Clinton 40%
Reading the internals, I wouldn’t put much stock in it though, Obama winning women and the 45 to 64 age group.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
Saw this at TM:
New Inside Advantage Miss Poll
http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_37_265.aspx
Hillary Clinton – 40%
Barack Obama – 46%
Undecided – 14%
An InsiderAdvantage survey of 412 registered voters who said they were likely to vote in the March 11 Mississippi Democratic primary shows, as expected, that Barack Obama leads. However, the poll also suggests that somewhere between 15% and 20% of the voter turnout for the open-primary contest will be Republicans and independents.
InsiderAdvantage’s Matt Towery:
“There is some good news for Clinton in this survey. First, she is winning independent voters. Second, we have heard rumors that Republicans voters might engage in the primary in higher than normal numbers, so that they can vote for Clinton, and thus keep the Democratic battle going. There is some evidence that this trend might be developing.
Wbboei…as I said above (and I agree with you) Hillary will not get herself in a situation where Rezko would hurt HER Presidency. The unity now is important, to be sure, “above the fray” and offering HOPE to the SD’s LOL…..let’s just hope Rezko brings the need to do this to an end soon.
Bush on….
Clinton Reacts to Power Resignation, Says Comments Raise “Disturbing Questions” About Obama Camp
Friday, March 7th, 2008
Says “I think Senator Obama did the right thing but I think it is important to look at what she and his other advisers say behind closed doors…”
thepage.time.com/2008/03/07/obama-aide-apologizes-for-calling-clinton-a-monster/
mei
Casper Star-Tribune in WY
my.trib.com/post/ClarkWalworth/blog/speaking_your_mind.html
Meanwhile, you’re welcome to post your comments about the candidates right here on Ed Shed, or on any of the stories on trib.com.
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Thanks, mei. That’s a good place to post. The comment string was very short and polite, and my comment went right up, no registration necessary.
Again, the campaign really needs a paypal button for donating!
TPS….that is not the full quote…
she went on to say that the Obama camps basically needs to watch what they say to foreign journalists when speaking for America….type thing…
It was a BRILLIANT comment and hit Bambi square between those little angry eyes of his in his Foreign Policy experience
Cancelling my subscription to Rolling Stone now. LOL
kaffeen,
This politico article has the links to Michelle’s thesis and some comments:
h t t p : / / dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=42FC5818-3048-5C12-005E33B3C0F4E64B
Done.
Good afternoon! Tony Snow is filling in for Bill O’Reilly on the radio and he said, “I think the country is ready for a black man to be president, I just don’t think Barack Obama is the right one.” I CONCUR!!!!!!!!!!! He was making jokes about Obama having run against Alan Keyes for U.S. Senate and now he has the nerve to think he can beat the “Clinton Machine”. lol Good stuff.
MSNBC is FUBR….they have been saying for an HOUR they would have the clip “shortly” but have just been doing their usual crap on clinton bambi is da man love fest, and when there isnt’ anything to rag about Alex Twit is trying to “start something”
Her guest have looked at her like “WTF is YOUR problem?”
I have only kept it on because they said they would show Hillary, but I have been bamboozled!
In the meantime, I cannot WAIT for their fall right along with his. Who on EARTH do they theink they are!?!?!
JEESE
Kaff…if you can stomach MSNBC, give us a heads up when and if you see Hil
as long as this all is not a whizzer to get Clinton and media away from REZCO…
Don’t forget about him…
1950…thanks, I suspect I will be reading about an angry black woman. I hope her arguments are reasonable. It would be interesting to have an AA read this and comment on it as well.
Hey Sugar, that’s good news. The right is sure not happy with HOPE! LOL
“Well at least Hillary is in great company. Eleanor Roosevelt was attacked from all sides despite all her good works.”
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Despite — or because of?
Good programs like Social Security and UHC help the voters — but they hurt the fat cats, so the fat cats claws come out.
SpacegirlArt, yes, MSNBC was advertising the video, but it appears they have backed off on that. I can’t imagine it would take that long to put a video up. I was hoping it was going to be live, but I guess that was to much hopium for MSNBC.
Dot…he will look like McCain in the airport alone and carrying his own bags if you think he has enough aides to put out there to deflect rezko
Spacegirl, you know what else Snow said? He said that Rush Limbaugh was wrong to tell those guys to vote for Hillary assuming she’d be easier to beat than Obama, which of course WE ALL KNOW. But, it was good to hear someone on their side say it as well.
I hate to post from conservative websites. But this is too good to pass up:
From Corner of the National review Online:
Re: Promise Fulfilled [Mark Hemingway]
Speaking of powerful videos Stanley, I’m still getting emails over my comments about the Obama “dipdive” videos yesterday.
If anyone doubts that Obama’s supporters engage in cult-like behavior, try pointing out that they engage in cult-like behavior. Apparently fealty so permeates Obama’s hardcore base that not only are they glad to produce creepy, propagandistic tributes, but they’re also more than happy to delve into insane justifications of same.
After I first expressed my distaste for the videos, I was contacted by a number of outraged supporters of the Illinois Senator. In particular, I had criticized actor Ryan Phillippe for claiming he was voting for Obama because he wanted a “better future” for his children when the only thing I know about Ryan Phillipe, private citizen, is that not that long ago he emerged from a messy divorce from his Academy Award-winning wife surrounded by tabloid rumors of an affair. If you care about your kids’ future, not cheating on your wife and the mother of your children seems to be of far more importance than, say, who you vote for in the primaries.
Notwithstanding this, I received an e-mail from an Obama supporter, and aside from venting some irrelevant and noxious personal insults in my direction, his sole riposte to my criticisms of those involved with, as one reader dubbed it, “The Triumph of the will.i.am” video is this:
At least Phillippe and will.i.am (and Obama, for that matter) bed attractive women.
Touché, my good sir! I have to applaud his obdurate unwillingness grasp my basic point. But my correspondent also introduced a curious metric into the political process: How much support does your candidate of choice have from hot babes?
So we’ve learned from the will.i.am videos that Jessica Alba and Scarlett Johansson are supporting Barack Obama. Wow. No disrespect to those genetic lottery winners in particular, but I think I can generally say with a high degree of confidence that most Hollywood starlets have the brains God gave trout. Their political knowledge typically extends to thinking “bicameral” means their next scene is being shot from two different angles. (I hate to further dissapoint you here, Stanley, but internet camapign video pioneer “Obama Girl” didn’t actually bother voting for the object of her YouTube affection.)
That Obama seems to be the celebrity candidate of choice doesn’t exactly inspire confidence. Rather, it reinforces the very legitimate criticism that Obama is about image, not substance. “But he has policy papers on his website!” seems to be the predominant rallying cry among Obama supporters. Wake me up when somebody’s locked Alba in a room with Obama’s “Blueprint for Change.” Perhaps given enough time and the help of her publicist, she can articulate coherently why Obama’s health care plan, if largely the same as Hillary’s, will at least postpone the Ragnarok for a few more years.
“what they say to foreign journalists when speaking for America….type thing…”
–Especially when his crowd claim/imply he’d sit down with dictators for a nice friendly chat.
Sometimes I think his crowd are existing in their own universe somewhere.
Kaff…she really gave him right hook in her FULL comment, and no, they aren’t going to show it, or they will edit it when they do to show only the first line. They read a statement quoting her, but have not done it again.
Hmmm, Mississippi numbers are 58 Obama, 34 Clinton, according to ARG (which ain’t the greatest). Hopefully we can narrow that gap so that BHO doesn’t get a huge chunk of delegates!
kaffeen,
I didn’t read much of her thesis, boring. But it seems to fit in with her attitude now and Barack’s: they seem to find a conflict between getting success in the mainstream world, and ‘keeping their blackness.’ Or keeping their ‘freshness’ — they have both said that getting more experience would make them less valuable.
There seems to be a lot of … self-consciousness, narcissm? … in their thinking. They seem more interested in what the contest is doing to their own feelings, than in getting a job done.
As to fearing cooties from more time as a Senator, BO could run for governor of one of his little red states, far away.
The Obama camp was not upset that she called Hillary a monster, they were more upset that she said Obama F**ked up Ohio.
I think if we can keep Wyoming and Miss at 55/45 (in Obambi’s favor) it will be a big win. The delegates will be evenly split in that case. I think a candidate has to get 60 percent or more of the vote to really gain many delegates. However, that is for primaries, not sure how the caucus numbers would work in any favor.
Well Sugar…more people listen to Rush than O’reiley so…oh well! LOL!
rjk…you are probably right!
Turn to FOX LOL
nevermind about FOX
CNN is having a segment on Politics
We are under a tornado watch here. I am going to run to the store and then come back and make WY calls for a while. Y’all have fun. See you later!
rjk, They’re also upset she got caught SAYING what all of them really think about Hillary.
BTW, Obama hasn’t apologized to Hillary for this, has he? Remember, she personally apologized to him for Billy Shaheen …
Paula, good point.
I offer this to you for the limited purpose of showing how the right wing would devastate Obama if he ever becomes the nominee. This shot goes right to the lizard brain-main cortex where the survival instincts are lodged and it overrides the rational faculties. It would reduce him from a fresh voice to an ugly characture. Atwater lives. Perhaps this will cause some people reflect on the wisdom of Hillary’s words when she says she knows how to fend off the right wing attacks that have been directed at her for over 15 years and win.
Obama Minister’s Hatred of America
Thursday, March 6, 2008 3:54 PM
By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size
In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama’s longtime minister, friend, and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs, and creating a racist society that would never elect a black man as president.
The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Obama’s Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school’s Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006. While snippets from the sermon have appeared in a few magazines, no news outlet has previously run the entire text of Wright’s diatribe. An audio recording of the sermon appears on YouTube.
Raising his voice in rage, Wright began his sermon by saying, “Fact No. 1: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body.”
Omitting fact No. 2, Wright thundered on: “Fact No. 3: America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. We invaded Grenada for no other reason than to get Maurice Bishop [a Grenada revolutionary who seized power in 1979], invaded Panama because Noriega would not dance to our tune any more. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers. We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Qaddafi.”
Wright continued: “Fact No. 4: We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. Fact No. 5: We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-semitic.”
His voice rising, Wright was on a roll: “Fact No. 6: We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. They’re just finding out about that. We care nothing about human life if the ends justifies the means. Fact No. 7: We do not care if poor black and brown children cannot read and kill each other senselessly. We abandoned the cities back in the ’60s when the riots started and it really doesn’t matter what those nations do to each other; we gave up on them and public education of poor people who live in the projects . . .”
Wright went on: “Fact No. 8: We started the AIDS virus, and now that it is out of control, we still put more money in the military than in medicine; more money in hate than in humanitarian concerns. Everybody does not have access to healthcare, I don’t care what the rich white boys in the Senate say. Listen up: If you are poor, black and elderly, forget it.”
Concluding, Wright said: “Fact No. 9: We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. And fact No. 10: We are selfish, self-centered egotists who are arrogant and ignorant and betray our church and do not try to make the kingdom that Jesus talked about a reality. And — and — and in light of these 10 facts, God has got to be sick of this s***.”
Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Obama described Wright as being like “an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don’t agree with.” He rarely mentions the items of disagreement.
Obama went on to explain away Wright’s anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state’s support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with a previous claim that his church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Obama made that up out of thin air.
Wright’s statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way.
As for Wright’s repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks, Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be “provocative.”
Hearing Wright’s venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through hundreds of similar sermons.
Indeed, Obama has described Wright as his “sounding board” during the two decades he has known him. Obama has said he found religion through Wright in the 1980s and consulted him before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.
Aside from showing poor judgment, it’s difficult to imagine that Obama could be so close to Wright without agreeing with at least some of his views.
In light of Wright’s perspective, Michelle Obama’s comment that she feels proud of America for the first time makes perfect sense. (In a second iteration, she said she feels “really proud” for the first time.) Wright’s blame-America mentality also fits in neatly with many on the left who support Obama’s weak approach to national security and dealing with foreign dictators.
To date, the Obama-loving media have largely ignored the senator’s close association with Wright. The question is whether the blackout will be lifted before voters decide whether they want to entrust Obama with America’s future.
Here is the transcript of Hill in Miss today (she did a fantastic job I might add)…
weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_takes_on_obama_on_sama.html
Plouffe: She’s Just Like Bush
David Plouffe, on today’s call with reporters, fights Samantha Power news with another cry for the release of Hillary Clinton’s tax returns and first lady schedules.
“Sen. Clinton is one of the most secretive politicians in America today,” he said. “… What the American people don’t need is more George Bush secrecy in the White House.”
So he took a page out of Team Clinton’s playbook by lumping Clinton together with Bush (HRC has said Obama is as untested as Bush was in 2000). And then he also adopted another Clintonish tactic, preemptively lowering expectations about an upcoming primary.
“She has the advantage there,” Plouffe said of PA. “She should be expected to win. She should be expected to win by some margin.”
Oh please, not Mr. Eleven in a Row. Lowering expectations?
No more caucus in PR….
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/puerto-rico-wants-to-change-from-caucus-to-primary/
Tax returns — yawn.
SUGAR,
It will be funny if the Republican cross over thing pans out and BO starts lowering expectations for Mississippi too.
Puerto Rico going to a primary makes me extremely happy!
Personally, I hope her tax returns show a very fiscally responsible and smart woman who is capable of making alot of money. Something our country could use for sure.
“Sen. Clinton is one of the most secretive politicians in America today,”
–There his campaign goes again, speaking as if they’re sitting in front of a mirror. So when’s Obama gonna release all his records as a real estate lawyer, all the documented information about him and his dealings with Rezko and is work in the state senate?
“So he took a page out of Team Clinton’s playbook by lumping Clinton together with Bush”
–LOLLLLLL!!!! Now I’ve heard it ALL. That mirror grows larger! This Clinton = Bush nonsense from someone who admires Reagan, has defended Bush, defends republicans when democrats attacks them and then attacks the democrats for having attacked republicans, whose campaign uses physical intimidation and threats at caucuses, who wants to disenfranchise whole states of voters, who denounces the liberal word being applied to himself, whose campaign uses brawn over brains, who repeatedly uses right-wing talking points and smear tactics, who himself is inexperienced and wealthy and can’t talk without fumbling over his words–he accuses HER of being like Bush?
LOL!!!!!
Sugar@1:52: as one of the people who tried to get Colin Powell to run years ago, I concur with Snow on both counts.
The toughest challenge for the AA community is to recognize that Barry is not the one they have been waiting for, and they will be far better off in a Clinton Presidency.
Politics divide family and friends. I have a 77 year old neighbor who is a Wharton PHD and a well travelled businessman. Ask him what time it is and he will tell you how to build a watch. All he can talk about now is Barry and he lapses into this adolescent state as he does so.
When we see eachother in the building now we no longer speak to eachother. So I can only imagine what it must be like in a family situation that some of you are dealing with.
Obambi is not claiming *he* won Nevada and Texas LMAO…
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-website-c.html
Isn’t this what they call “fuzzy math”?
Carl Jeffers is on my local radio and he’s fuckin awesome right now. He’ll be on CNN in 45 mins discussing MI/FL. But he and the radio host, Dave Ross just said that Obama is going to get eaten alive by McCain in the fall. Whoop! I’l get you a link later tonight. Ya’ll need to listen to this.
Jeffers thinks MI/FL should have some primary/caucus hybrid redo that’s Winner take all. I like the winner take all aspect.
Wolfson et al, needs to use the tax returns as leverage – your answers to Rezko-gate for the tax returns.
Ininla…yes.
Yes, her finances are indeed shrouded in mystery…
Financial Disclosure Reports
House and Senate members must file annual financial disclosure reports with the Clerk of the House and the Secretary of the Senate, respectively, that describe the sources, types and amounts of income they earn. The reports are due May 15 and typically are made available to the public in early June. washingtonpost.com will be posting annual reports as it obtains and scans them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/congress/fin_dis/2006/c001041.pdf
When you got nothin’, you got nothin’…:)
Did you all see Taylor Marsh now has the video of Samantha Power contradicting BO’s Iraq withdrawal plans – oh please let this get out into the mainstream media.
Record job losses in February, the feds just announced, which makes the “It’s the economy, stupid!” message even MORE important than ever. Voters trust Hillary on the economy, and we need to hammer that theme in the coming weeks.
wbboei, I know exactly what you mean about your neighbor. It’s so strange to see and hear it. lol They aren’t thinking clearly at all! They got so upset with Gloria Steinem when she asked the question as to whether people would be lined up behind a woman with BO’s makeup, half white, half Kenyan, inexperienced, in the same way they are lining up behind him, but it was a VERY VALID QUESTION. And, the answer is no!!! They would tell her she was in over her head, she’d never beat the “Clinton Machine”, etc. but because he is a man, they are lining up behind him trying to touch the hem of his garment. lmao
It’s so ridiculous. Both the Clintons have practically had their body parts examined and sliced up by the fucking biased media over and over again for years now. They’ve probably got the OPPOSITE problem: they haven’t had a private secret moment to themselves.
I think that next the Obama campaign will be complaining that Princess Diana was too secretive and didn’t get enough scrutiny.
Like I said, what universe is the Obama crowd existing in?
If this is all David Plouffe has in his arsenal then he should call it a day. Obama’s campaign gets more silly by the minute.
Why are they so obsessed about the tax returns? ::plays tiny violin::
I know Tiny Dancer, especially when he’s got his own mess to deal with. He’s really got some nerve.
Fran,
I found it ridiculous when an Obama surrogate to complain that Hillary hasn’t been vetted. (Almost spit my drink out when I heard that one!
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The Obama people get a small taste of what Senator Clinton goes through and they are scared. And, basically are throwing every unfounded/dumb attack they can think of to distract from themselves.
It’s sad, really.
Ininla said: Wolfson et al, needs to use the tax returns as leverage – your answers to Rezko-gate for the tax returns.
Amen. Quid pro quo.
They are having a Women’s History Month Town Hall/Social in celebration of International Women’s Day with Howard Dean here this evening and my contact at HQ sent me an email invite just now, but I’m sticking to the plans I already have for the evening. I don’t even want to be in the same room with that idiot (Dean).
People in glass houses should not throw stones.
That is what comes to mind when I hear a dumb attack from HWSNBN.
Yes, Reed! I’ve gotta say, I’m still extremely concerned about that IMO dangerous cult, but I find their behavior more laughable and pathetic every day now. He should quit already and maybe save himself at least a little face!
Tiny Dancer: They are asking for the tax returns, because she loaned her campaign 5 million dollars in Jan., and he could not afford to do that. They want to know, where the money is coming from.
autobiography of United States Senator and former First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, published in 2003.
In December 2000, Simon & Schuster agreed to pay Clinton a reported $8 million advance for what became Living History — a near-record figure to an author for an advance at that time.[1] Critics charged that the book deal, coming soon after her election to the U.S. Senate, but before being sworn into office, was not in adherence to the ethical standards required for members of the U.S. Senate.[2] However, in February 2001, the Senate Ethics Committee gave Clinton approval for the deal.[3]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_History
New Inside Advantage Miss Poll
http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_37_265.aspx
Hillary Clinton – 40%
Barack Obama – 46%
Undecided – 14%
An InsiderAdvantage survey of 412 registered voters who said they were likely to vote in the March 11 Mississippi Democratic primary shows, as expected, that Barack Obama leads. However, the poll also suggests that somewhere between 15% and 20% of the voter turnout for the open-primary contest will be Republicans and independents.
InsiderAdvantage’s Matt Towery:
“There is some good news for Clinton in this survey. First, she is winning independent voters. Second, we have heard rumors that Republicans voters might engage in the primary in higher than normal numbers, so that they can vote for Clinton, and thus keep the Democratic battle going. There is some evidence that this trend might be developing.
I welcome Mississippi Republicans to the Democratic Party.
The money comes from the fact that both Hillary and Bill are best selling authors (their biographies). Duh…
It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. The Clintons our well off, but they do not have Romney – or for that matter Kerry – money.
I published a diary on Hillary’s electability in Louisiana, and all the Obamabots are hyperventilating.
perhaps its an attempt to whittle away at here blue collar base in PA
I doubt blue collar voters care that she lent $5,000,000 to her campaign.
i agree but i cant think of any other reason for them to be so emphatic about releasing the numbers
My memory is that the media has been asking for the tax returns since long before Super Tuesday. The loan IMO is just an excuse.
The former Gov of Wyoming endorsed Hill today. The current Gov has not endorsed either candidate. I’m so confused. I thought Wyoming was deep red. Bush won by 70% there.
timjcain,
It’s more of a petty attack to distract from the real issues that Obama sucks at:
Foreign Policy,
National Security,
Economy,
Health care,
et cetera…
mj,
I am from Alabama and can tell you that at the state level the Democratic party is pretty popular. However, when it comes to national politics…Rethugs rule.
This is just like Wyoming, probably. The prefrence for state Dems are different from the prefrence for national Dems.
reed061 Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
timjcain,
It’s more of a petty attack to distract from the real issues that Obama sucks at:
Foreign Policy,
National Security,
Economy,
Health care,
et cetera…
Exactly! They have been asking for these returns since Jan. The requests revved up, after the loan business was made public. It is a petty diversion.
“They are having a Women’s History Month Town Hall/Social in celebration of International Women’s Day with Howard Dean”
–How dare he attend that. Someone at the event should ask him why he’s throwing everything including the kitchen sink at a woman who’d likely make one of the best presidents ever? He and his boy’s club crowd repeatedly skew the system to thwart her.
Obama will tout the Clintons are rich, big deal!! Voters are not stupid they know that both Senator Clinton and President Clinton have both had several best selling books and earned millions off each. Just as obama has earned millions off his 2 books. I saw a clip where Michelle said if Barack’s books had not been successful they would still be in debt. No Michelle, the books had nothing to do with you being out of debt, it was because you have a real estate fairy!
“Sen. Clinton is one of the most secretive politicians in America today,”
Well shit, if I was the subject of the most brutal witch hunt in political history, I might be alittle reluctant to open my closet up too.
Who is the former governor and would he by any chance be a superdelegate.
The Tax Return thing is much ado about nothing…..they will get them just like America will have the opportunity to review them. One thing that is for sure, *we* won’t get diddly squat on Rezko.
SUGAR – go to that townhall, and get Dean to answer questions. Hold him accountable, and tell him there’s a group of us that want ANSWERS.
Anyway, the Clinton campaign needs to nip this in the bud and point out Obama’s pattern of distraction – as Reed said,he sucks at foreign policy, natl security, etc. He’s all about smoke and mirrors and just words, not substance.
Well, he is Fran. I think they are planning to question him about it, but I just don’t even think it’s worth changing my plans. Screw Dean.
I wish i could find the clip of bambi turning down oprahs offer of the use of her personnal jet. As i remember he said he preferred to fly coach and it was time for new politics juxtapose that statement with the house bought with rezkos help.
Yeah, the tax return thing is a red herring. They’re trying to distract from all the unanswered Rezko questions. Hillary has already announced that she’ll release the returns, too, so the point is moot. Obama is just hoping that somehow, someway, there’s some income stream of the Clintons’ that he can distort as being “shady,” so that he can claim that when Hillary transferred $5M of her own funds to the campaign, it now means that her campaign is being supported by said “shady” source. This is nothing but a bogus fishing expedition designed to distract from the real issues that matter to Americans. So much for the politics of hope.
I’m excited for Wyoming regardless of who they vote for. Primaries should last this long so every state gets a lot of attention, revenue, and visits from candidates. Iowa is not special. States like Wyoming should have a say and this is a way for the Democrats to influence voters to possibly switch over to us in the general. These Obamabots will do anything include shut out millions of voice and disenfranchise voters to get their candidate the nomination. We should do it like this every four years!
I’m hoping the people there who usually vote Republican and are unsatisfied with the economy will move to Clinton. I’m glad to read that people are coming out in the thousands to hear Bill Clinton. Let’s hope these people show up to the caucus too.
I found many Obamabots believe this. It’s important for Hillary to win as much as possible and lose as little as possible in the coming up primaries/caucuses
“Then again, big victories in Wyoming and Mississippi could abruptly change the story-line, and beyond that, Obama’s pledge delegate lead may well prove insurmountable, in which case whatever damage Obama takes from Hillary’s “commander in chief” assault will ultimately prove inconsequential.”
Obama is just hoping that somehow, someway, there’s some income stream of the Clintons’ that he can distort as being “shady,”
Coming from a man who’s been sucked down into the black hole of Chicago corruption. Lord, that’s rich.
how do we attract ms. republicans to the polls for hillary?
Personally, I’m glad they made a lot of money. I think they are worth it.
CNN was complaining last night that Bill Clinton wouldn’t give them the time of day!!!! Loved it.
I am SO glad that Bill is out doing his thing, working for Hillary, he has hit the perfect stride right now, connecting with the voters and the media is stewing.
Exactly, jubjub. They need to update that old adage: “being close only counts in horseshoes and the 2008 Democratic primary.”
wonder if Bill Clinton is refusing to give interviews or answer questions when press is in attendance at events. at a Chelsea event in Houston, press was calling me and asking me if Chelsea would do an interview, and I said, no, she doesn’t do interviews, but I was happy to offer other ppl.
pulchritude Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
how do we attract ms. republicans to the polls for hillary?
Pulchritude, there ain’t but one way, but it’s too filthy to even put in black and white. I may got into stealth, deep cover mode late tonight though to help urge them along. LMAO
Dot48: I am glad that Bill is ignoring the media. After the way, they have behaved, let them stew.
He is a wonderful advocate for Hillary, as well as Chelsea. Boy, they did something right with Chelsea.
whatever it takes, sugar, whatever it takes.
Oh–I didn’t at all mean you should go, Sugar. My post wasn’t directed at you personally, only at him. Frankly, I couldn’t stand being in the same room with him right now.
I just can’t believe the nerve on these people. They think they can act one way–i.e., sexist–and appear another way–not sexist. Not to me they can’t.
Love Bill Clinton…:kisses: :kisses: :kisses:
pulch, have you done any Wyoming Persuasion? If so, how do you feel?
The Clinton winning streak continues! Check it, peeps:
March 7, 2008, 2:18 pm
Puerto Rico Plans Switch From Caucus to Primary
By The New York Times
Puerto Rico is moving to hold a presidential primary instead of a caucus on June 1, the Associated Press reports.
Roberto Prats, party chairman in the U.S. territory, told the A.P. that the switch was approved Thursday by the central committee to encourage more residents to participate in the contests and will put pressure on Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama to campaign on the island.
“If Puerto Rico is going to play such a significant role, we should give the world a showcase of democracy,” Mr. Prats said. “We know how to vote, we vote in masses and I think it’s Puerto Rico’s show time.”
whoever can go to that event that Dean is at: Go, take a sign that says “Seat the Delegates”
not yet, but i plan to after i complete a small errand. have you?
Sorry, Sen. Obama, eight isn’t enough
March 7, 2008
STEVE HUNTLEY shuntley.cst@gmail.com
‘Guys, I mean come on. I just answered like eight questions.”
With those few words, Barack Obama ended a Texas news conference where he had come under tough questioning about influence peddler Tony Rezko from Sun-Times columnists Carol Marin and Lynn Sweet and CBS2 reporter Mike Flannery. In fact, Obama dodged the questions.
Try to imagine President Bush, fleeing questions coming at him fast and furious over a controversy, closing a news conference by saying, “Come on, I just answered like eight questions.” Democrats in Congress and liberal interest groups would be shouting coverup. The editorial pages of the national newspapers would be thundering outrage. The late night comedians and left-wing blogs would be heaping ridicule on him.
Or contrast Obama’s avoidance strategy to John McCain’s response to what was universally considered a shoddy New York Times story. It alleged two disillusioned McCain aides eight years ago thought he might have had a romantic relationship with a lobbyist. McCain met with reporters and took every question they had about the article.
Obama is lucky the Rezko affair is a Chicago issue with which national reporters are unfamiliar. And, given what’s known today, it’s hard to see how the Rezko case could wound Obama’s political ambitions. But for that reason, it’s hard to understand his reluctance to answer questions from the Chicago investigative reporters who know the Rezko issues best.
Maybe that’s something Democratic superdelegates ought to consider as they ponder whether to declare for Obama now or wait to make a decision closer to the Democrats’ August convention. They need to know that he will be the strongest candidate for November. In addition to the Rezko issue, Hillary Clinton in recent days has succeeded in raising questions about Obama’s experience, his credentials to be commander in chief and his stance on NAFTA. Obama had the momentum going into Texas and Ohio and outspent Clinton two-to-one, but lost.
With those wins, Clinton urges superdelegates to wait for more voting to determine which candidate now has momentum and the best chance of beating McCain. Obama’s camp counters the math makes it impossible for her to catch up with his delegate count. But there’s the tricky question of what to do about Florida and Michigan, where 2 million Democrats voted but no delegates would be seated because those primaries violated party scheduling rules. A revote is possible, helpful to her.
Obama’s premise is that the superdelegates have to ratify as the nominee whichever candidate ends up with the lead in delegates. That looks like a pretty sure thing for him at the moment. But when you count Florida and Michigan, the popular vote is very close with the two candidates separated by 30,000 votes. Even if maybe she can’t overcome the delegate gap, Clinton could overtake Obama in the popular vote. Then what should superdelegates do? How do you decide, as the Democratic mantra goes, to count every vote?
What irony that would be for a Democratic Party that has spent the last seven years complaining that Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the presidency because Bush had the general election equivalent of delegate strength, the Electoral College vote.
Obama needs to find a way to regain the momentum. Upcoming votes in Wyoming and Mississippi are expected wins for him; then comes crucial Pennsylvania next month where Clinton is favored. A close finish means the superdelegates may actually have to weigh all the political considerations and take responsibility for picking the nominee. That could make for a bitter fight leading up to the convention and recriminations after. The allegiances of two important constituencies — African Americans and women — are at stake. Who will be angrier — and likely to stay at home in November — if their candidate is seen as unfairly losing a razor-close contest?
And how might Obama’s refusal to answer questions about Rezko come in play in deciding his fate?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/huntley/830209,CST-EDT-hunt07.article
wbboei and Sugar: I totally understand. I’ve blocked my black friends from my facebook postings and notes so they won’t get pissed off anymore when I put up a pro-Hillary article or website. I have stopped talking to them about politics because it’s no use. I used to be part of a black student organization but after getting so much anti-Hillary email I’ve stopped going to meetings. I have three other black friends who are for Hillary and they are getting attacked right and left. If you are black and you don’t support Obama you are on the enemies list.
Take another sign that says, “Make Obama give back the house”
I think the more states that step up and say COUNT US TOO, will shut the fcuking dnc up about getting on with this nomination!
I’ll see if I can find a contact email for Mr. Prats…more states need to step up and say WE COUNT TOO..this ain’t ever over till June!!
–leave it to Puerto Rico to show us how Democracy in action when they ding a caucus for a primary system.
–leave it to Canadian and Scottish press to expose the hypocritical underbelly of the Obama campaign and their double speak “just words,” not action.
WTF – is wrong with the U.S.?
If you are black and you don’t support Obama you are on the enemies list.
My Mom and I have family members who no longer speak to us. My Mom just said, “Well, I hope the lord continues to bless your poor crazy asses.”
LOL!
pulch, I got hung up on repeatedly yesterday. I’m chicken now LOL
clinton bashes obama adviser
embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/03/07/clinton-bashes-obama-adviser/
Dot, try starting the call with “Howdy Ma’am ”
i would not be deterred. simply contact others. besides, if one dog in the neighborhood will not bark, another one will.
My goodness! I was just envisioning a television moment for when Hillary wins at the convention. LOL…Bill and Chelsea standing by her side so proud and just a little smug. Kennedy, Dean, Kerry, et al…looking like death warmed over!
I pray that this turns out to be the case!
Jan, get the body bags ready.
@dot48,
LOL…body bags…smelling salts…exit visas…
I just saw a yahoo headline “Could insults backfire? Ramped-up rhetoric between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama may benefit John McCain.” Is it an accident this came out today? Of course not, in my opinion.
I hate repeating the media’s propaganda, but I want to deconstruct that headline because it’s a common propagandist tactic.
The media did the EXACT same thing with propping up Bush. When it had to report something negative about him, it was done in a way that tried to diminish his ugliness and make it look like both sides had been equally ugly.
In this case, Obama’s campaign used a sensationalist nasty name against Clinton and then this Yahoo article title comes out and equates the two campaigns, like both Clinton and Obama are doing equally nasty stuff. That way the media can report on Obama’s nastiness, but soften the blow to Obama, downplay his nastiness and smear Clinton at the same time, like they’re saying, “See? Clinton’s campaign has been nasty too!” The media is only “fair” when they have to slam the side they’re on; when they’re slamming the other side, it’s all guns firing ugliness, no fairness in sight.
Notice how Clinton’s name is the FIRST after the question in that headline, attaching her name closer to the negative behavior.
Sucks thumb and looks for security blanket. Let me see if I can find some of hubby’s leftover Actonel..I lost my spine LOL
ADMIN – I too met a number of African American supporters for Clinton when I was in TX; one guy, probably in his 20s, was so sweet – he was literally ANGUISHING about who to vote for and so tense about the whole thing, he couldn’t stay in the caucus room; he eventually chose BO – the amount of pressure on these individuals is intense.
Is it possible to create a subsection of HI44 for those AA who want a sanctuary to discuss their support for Clinton? Thought it be interesting if it was part of our board.
Ininla…trying to get rid of us, eh? relegate us to some darkened back room?
Lord…when will this blatant racism end.
Ininla..bless you. Just yesterday my hubby talked to a customer service rep yesterday who was in Texas and he bluntly asked her who she voted for..(I’d never do that but he has balls)…she told him she had to vote for her “bro”. They went onto talk about the election and she told him she hoped Hillary won the nomination so she could vote for her in November. Some..crazy…stuff…going on out there.
This is quite interesting:
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/07/the-vaunted-african-american-vote/
The cold hard statistics from exit polls of Texas, 2004 versus 2008:
African-American vote in 2004 = 21%
African-American vote in 2008 = 19%
My question is why did fewer black turn out in this election? Were they Clinton supporters who did not want to face any aggression in the caucuses or are they turned of by BO or did they think that BO would win anyway? No clue. Ininla, I think if that young black man was voting in a primary instead of a caucus he would’ve been more likely to choose Clinton. To have a young black man publicly show his support for Clinton is very hard these days and I’m glad that at least he was thinking hard about his decision even if it was eventually for BO.
Idunn, I support your poor crazy ass
Hi everyone, I just spent hours trailing my 88 year old Mom around the grocery store. She wants to make this trip about 3 times a year now. And lordy, do I stock up.
And you will appreciate this part. the whole time I am working on her to vote for Hillary in the general. lol
Before that though I was having the best ole time [nod to Wyoming] working on Hillary’s Irish peace process experience. haha. the american press forgot to check in with the Irish. It will be a good post. I think I” save it for Monday though–better news day.
How is everybody?
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/next/896654159/950697391
Let’s dump Dean
not at all IDunn (wink back)…but it’d be easy to be inclusive of AA on our board, as we are already, but a “sister” website for those who really want to discuss amongst themselves. We on the outside don’t always know the pressures and can’t speak for the community.
I’ll be honest, on one level going through the most chaotic, undemocratic process ever – at a Houston caucus with 2000 people, of which at least 65% were AA, I have to admire AA’s support and tenacity for BO. Many stayed for at least 6 hours to finish the caucus.
On the other hand, there were perhaps a handful of AA for Clinton, and as a non-AA (well, I’m Asian American), it was easy to simply look at someone who was African American, and immediately think they’re for BO. There was an AA mother- daugher, they were so sweet in their support for Clinton – they immediately self-nominated to be delegates in TX for Clinton, and their loyalty was incredible. I want to invite them to be part of our board, but also would like to offer them another forum to discuss.
From Time’s Page, Mark Halperin
Clinton Campaign Hits Power-Iraq FlapFriday, March 7th, 2008
Clinton spokesman Wolfson calls Power’s comments on Iraq “troubling and extraordinary.”
Gen. Wesley Clark: “I’m quite concerned about what we heard from the Obama campaign because I’m not sure where it leads us….”
Former State Dept. official James Rubin: In Obama campaign “it’s amateur hour on making foreign policy
LOL @ Linfar!
Ininla…I hope you do invite those folks to post here with us!
TPS…I could hump Wes Clarks leg (wait, was that going too far?).
Idunn, I think it maybe going a bit too far, LOL
(sits inconspicuously in corner, mouth doube duct taped)
(rips off duct tape)
I LOVE WES!!!
I don’t understand, Ininla. I thought in TX you had to caucus for whomever you voted for.
So is it true Samantha Power resigned?
OMG, Idunn, you are too funny!
Gee, I never thought of that. All you had to do to caucus in tx was show you voted. I dopn’t know if you could switch or not.
How is it going in Wyoming???
Samantha Power is manly…can I just say
Really, Hawk? I think some magazine named her one of the most beautiful women in the world.
hawk, lol
Idunn, you can’t do that, the equilibrium in the universe will be disturbed, you have to get back to being yourself, LOL.
MJ – in TX, with the primary and the caucus – you can do whatever. A woman called me and she said her mother early voted for Obama, but since changed her mind; could she caucus for Clinton – answer, of course. The AA guy I was discussing, he voted in the primary and caucused the same day; I’m sure he did both for BO, but he could’ve actually split his decision if he wanted to.
I still think she is manly, she reminds me of one of my old neighbors that used to drink heavily and mow her lawn even if there was snow on the ground (crazy). She reminds me of a barfly. A manly barfly.
Tomorow is Women’s Day, y’all. What are we going to do?
Come on, let us give poor Ms. Powers a break here. After all, she handed us a great gift today, didn’t she?
Is anybody going to tell me if she resigned?????
she resigned
Did Plouffe say anything about Powers monster gaffe or Iraq troop removal gaffe during his call this morning?
thanks tim. Finally!! Is the scuttlebut that it was forced or she did it on her own?
Samantha Power is manly…can I just say
Her eyebrows are nothing. I heard her husbands pet love name for her is “tumbleweed”.
(I’m going to hell for real)
From Page:
The Power interview will re-air Friday on BBC America.
LOL idunn, I think she looks like a man kinda……she has pretty hair, but everything else looks manly………..
linfar
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8902.html
We can no longer cal Barack NMN Obama and African-American.
Froma Blog in “The Swamp”
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
“HRC: Today is a big day and it’s an exciting contest. Who would have thought that either a woman or an African American, let alone both of us, vying for the Democratic…”
First, did Obama say he would not rely on his own plans to get us out of Iraq? Hm, I’d like to see or hear that. Obama needs to address that right away. Second,
there she goes again, invoking “…or an African American…”. Why does she speak for Obama like she’s his mother, she isn’t and she ought to stop. She’s as racist as they come using these codes to signal and reignite to all that Obama’s African American. She’s doing the same thing her husband did by invoking Jesse Jackson that since Jesse Jackson won SC ‘Obama should do well there too.’ Ugghh!! She needs to step down and now! And yes Wolfson should quit for his Ken Starr comment.
she has pretty hair,
Well yeah….until you get down to the tumbleweed.
I forgot all about John Kerry asking John McCain to be his running mate in 2004. Maybe that’s why he endorsed bambi…
Teresa is turning him Republican
wow hillfans. team hillary is really pouncing on powers other comments on iraq. saying until obama gets in office he really don’t know if he can really start pulling out troops until he get’s all the info. wtf, one thing in public another in private.
From NEW YORK magazine about MONSTERGATE
nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/03/heilemann_monstergate_woke_the.html
Heilemann: Can Obama Handle the Awakened Media Beast?
So what to make of Monstergate? On the surface, the campaign controversy du jour could hardly be a more straightforward story. A few days ago, Samantha Power, the Pulitzer Prize–winning author and Harvard scholar who served until a few hours ago as one of Barack Obama’s top foreign-policy advisers, was quoted by the Edinburgh-based daily The Scotsman heaping scorn on Hillary Clinton: “She’s a monster, too — that is off the record — she is stooping to anything … You just look at her and think, ‘Ergh.’” This morning, as word of the incendiary indiscretion spread (the story led the Today show) and the fever mounted, a number of congressional Clinton backers demanded that Power resign from the campaign. “It’s really a test for Obama,” said Representative Nita Lowey of New York, and she was right. For months now, Obama has vowed to fire anyone on his staff who “is involved in trying to tear people down personally,” as he put in December. So Power’s exit late this morning was, in a sense, inevitable.
But Monstergate, I think, reflects something deeper: the fact that many of the people around Obama have grown accustomed to, shall we say, a forgiving national press corps. Retroactive declarations of off-the-recordness happen all the time. Whether the journalist confronted with one chooses to let it slide or be a hard-ass is a matter of discretion. How much do you like the source? How much do you need the source? It’s fair to say that many people in Obama’s circle believe that Clinton is in fact a monster. Many have said something similar to reporters. And this was not the first time one of them slipped up on attribution. But until now, the press, as part of a broader pattern of kid-gloves treatment of Obama, has largely chosen to let those mistakes pass. And that has bred a certain sloppiness — one that, in the case of Power, has now come back to bite them.
This sloppiness is not confined to dealing with the press. Much has been written about the case of Obama’s economic guru, Austan Goolsbee, and the Canadians, but it’s worth revisiting in the context of Monstergate. In telling the Canucks to pay no attention to his boss’ saber-rattling on NAFTA, Goolsbee was being candid and stating the plain truth: Nobody who knows Obama believes for a second that he is anything but a staunch free trader; they know that he has no intention of trashing the trade treaty. But Goolsbee was also being sloppy. And so was the campaign in its ludicrously transparent, transparently ludicrous efforts to mislead the press about what occurred. (The Canadians contacted Goolsbee not in his capacity as Obama’s guy on economics but merely as a University of Chicago academic? As Bill Clinton might put it, Give me a break!) The whole imbroglio fairly reeked of an operation that had become accustomed — too accustomed for its own good — to a sleepy, besotted press corps.
By now, of course, it’s clear to anyone with two eyes in his head that the kid-gloves days are over for Obama. Suddenly, the press is treating him more like it has handled Clinton since, er, day one. As a front-runner, in other words. The shift in tone and temper is coming as something of a shock to Obamaland, and not least to the candidate himself. In a post a few days ago, I remarked on the somewhat contentious news conference that Obama held last Monday in San Antonio, the one that ended with reporters annoyed at its brevity and Obama saying, plaintively, “C’mon, guys, I just answered, like, eight questions.” Last night at dinner with two of the savviest political analysts I know, one of them maintained that this was an utterance infinitely revealing about Obama — the equivalent of “It depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is” for WJC or “No controlling legal authority” for Al Gore. I’m not sure I’d go quite that far, but I do believe that it speaks volumes about BHO’s mind-set and expectations regarding the national media. (Let’s not forget that Obama himself at first denied that the Goolsbee meeting with the Canadians ever took place.) It also gives off the distinct whiff of arrogance and entitlement that’s lately been emanating from him. Eight questions! OMG! That’s, like, three more than I usually answer — and five more than I should have to answer!”
Let’s be clear. Few campaigns I’ve ever covered have been run with as much skill and discipline as Obama’s has. His chief strategist, David Axelrod, handles the press with aplomb and savvy. Robert Gibbs, his communications czar, is one tough cookie. But the rest of Obama’s adjutants — and the candidate himself — had better get with the program. The Media Beast, after months of blissful slumber, is now awake and as grouchy as an undercaffeinated grizzly bear. And the Clinton campaign has no intention of letting it return to sleep. Unless and until all of Team Obama understand what that means, there are going to be lot more days like this. Days that end with blood and severed limbs all over the floor. —
LOL!! !THE DNC only has $3Million on hand for the General….the RNC has 27MIL!!!!!
Look Mr. Dean, what happens, when you piss of an entire base of your party!
Rasmussen Reports
Pennsylvania Democratic Primary
690 Likely Democratic Primary Voters
5 MARCH 2008
Clinton 52 (46)
Obama 37 (42)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary
2nd Florida Democratic Primary
602 Likely Democratic Voters
5 MARCH 2008
Clinton 55
Obama 39
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/florida/election_2008_florida_democratic_primary
2nd Michigan Primary
575 Likely Democratic Primary Voters
6 MARCH 2008
Clinton 41
Obama 41
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/michigan/election_2008_michigan_democratic_presidential_primary
OHHHH Idunn…..ohhh
ok Hawk – not sure what you’re getting at re: manly comment. I know we’re both LGBT, and maybe it goes with the “wit,” but I hear a lot of the obamabots calling Clinton manly as a way to diminish her, from the pantsuit jokes to whatever. I don’t think we should perpetuate that kind of thinking as a way to insult someone female, even if it is someone from the BO camp.
Have you heard Power talk, at least HRC has some femininity in her voice (ie on the plane w/ the vogue comments, that was hilarious) and I am just sayin, I think Samantha Power is a scosh bit manly that’s all
i agree ininla: let us eschew reinscribing heteronormative tropes and other bankrupt notions at this website.
After hearing the word cunt to describe HRC from bots, I sleep well calling Power manly.
Nice pics of the Mississippi JJ on HRC site now on the blog
TPS…greeat news, and I am sure Michigan numbers will only RISE!
If she was indeed pushed out of the campaign, maybe she will be pissed off enough to start spouting off about what is really being said inside camp Obamaland.
ooops…
try this again
TPS! Great story!
Pulch! Great numbers!! And I am sure Michigan will only RISE!
LOL
“It’s fair to say that many people in Obama’s circle believe that Clinton is in fact a monster. Many have said something similar to reporters.”
Well isn’t that just sweet.
I’m manly. I’ll admit it. I don’t look manly…but I have to wax my ass twice a month.
What? We can’t say that here?
MI numbers make no sense.
I was listening to conservative radio in Houston -it was all I could stand to listen to right after the results were in – and one of the commentators on the Jack (i’ve got to find out his name) Show – said that the big secret in the press corp is that they actually hate BO for exactly this kind of amateur behavior -
I guess she’s a “monster” because she’s so “ambitious.”
I’m hoping the people there who usually vote Republican and are unsatisfied with the economy will move to Clinton. I’m glad to read that people are coming out in the thousands to hear Bill Clinton. Let’s hope these people show up to the caucus too.************************
HighlyEducatedforHillary:
Do you know what I think is great? That all of the Clintons are campaigning in WY. They know that they are favored to lose but they are still putting it in play and fighting for every vote.
I’m glad to see them really go on the offensive and send Chelsea to colleges in PA on Thursday, Bill to fight for the endoresment of the 60 wards of Philly today and also Bill in WY today and Hill there as well.
They are on a roll and that’s good. I have a feeling that more women will start to rally around her and she may even begin to pick up some Repub women as well.
Libyan strongman Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi weighed in on America’s presidential campaign, specifically commenting on both Democratic rivals’ repeated calls for “change.”
“I’ve seen that in America, a candidate who wants people to vote for him keeps talking about change,” Qaddafi said earlier this week in a televised address on Libyan TV, an obvious reference to Barack Obama.
“They all keep saying ‘change, change,’ ” he continued, adding Hillary Clinton to his reference. “They want to change America and its current political system. They want to make a change in their lives. They say their system is a failure, that their government is a failure, and that their elections are a failure.”
Qaddafi offered up Libya as a model for “change,” predicting that “the whole world will return to the model of the republic of the masses, to communes, to popular security, to popular defense, to popular capitalism, and to popular socialism.
“The whole world will return to the Libyan model,” he said.
I thought of this music video when viewing the returns Tuesday night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxPD9oZpYGc
And I thought of Obama when viewing this music video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STQwf2a7taA
Dang! I come back here and hit refresh and see this:
“Dot, try starting the call with, “Howdy Ma’am”. ROTFLMAO!!!
HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter, a friend of mine is coming to town on Sunday for work and I told her I would pick her up from the airport. She is one of those Chrome Edition Obamabots 2008 so I know she’s going to have a damn fit when she sees that Hillary for President sticker on my car and might have a heart attack when she sees all of that Hillary paraphernalia in my trunk. Including my famous “Honk 4 Hillary” sign. lmao I don’t give a damn. She can walk to her hotel if need be.
Idunn
read what you said about Mar 8-12 earlier and it reminded me to ask, where is mjs who was such a vociferous part of that first discussion…haven’t seen that young whippersnapper on here in awhile.
did he get grounded after his report card came out?
what the hell is a “latte” anyway and what the heck do they put in them….I’m a sophisticated tea drinker.. and healthier too. I never bought “pet rocks” or other fadish things, I am not older than god (yet), my only vice is I don’t have one, my IQ sits around up there, I probably know as much about tech as my adult children. I make more money than I need (thankfully) I fight back against corruption and dishonesty in our government. I accept peoples version of “savior” as different than mine (I’m not likely to faint though). I am not a one size fits all person, and the beauty of my life is I am free to chose.
So dear friends….Hillary can be my only choice.
although i was only in the first years of elementary school when these songs were released, they are etched indelibly in my mind.
hey all – isn’t it amazing – that yesterday we discuss the Scotsman interview with Power (though Drudge may have beat us to it) and today it’s news. How long have we waited for something we’re all talking about or what’s the headline on Taylor Marsh that puts BO in a bad light that actually makes it to the MSM and doesn’t get immediately suppressed by it? God what a relief. Can it be like this all the time?
latte is espresso and steamed milk.
pulch..I HATE YOU! (she said lovingly!) I am a HUGE Stevie fan…now I have another excuse to get NOTHING done in my off hours. I can listen to her stuff SO LOUD and SO Often, one would think I am totally whacked out.
Hmmm…Emjay…you know, I never even noticed the absence. Go figure.
I heart Stevie Nicks too
Debbie: a “latte” is hot, steamed milk, with expresso. You haven’t lived, until you have a “latte.” LOL.
Idunn, MJS didn’t have any mole inside the Obama campaign. None of the stuff MJS mentioned ever turned out to be correct.
birdgirl…I’m still alive!!
having said that..maybe 1/20/09, I’ll have one with my daughter while we watch Hillary take the oath.
space girl art, i understand. that is in fact all i did tuesday night when the returns were trickling in: i listened to stevie nicks and placed the television on mute.
I also listened to this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxOlKvvLXP8
but we should save this one until all the precincts in pittsburgh have reported.
Well…we havent seen Ronals (Dr. Ron) in days eitgher, and I know Blue Democrat picked up his ball and went home.
Man, listening to you guys talk really drive home to me just how extreme hubby and I live. Not only would I not spend more than a buck on coffee, but I bring my own damned travel mug because I think it’s ridiculous to bombard the planet with paper or styrofoam cups.
Which reminds me…my mother in law is coming to visit soon. I’m gonna have to listen to endless bitching about the fact that we don’t have a microwave, iron , toaster , electric coffee pot, etc. etc.
oops sorry for the booboo..Birdgal
Idunn …serious???
“we don’t have a microwave, iron , toaster , electric coffee pot, etc. etc.”
Debbie, have champagne, when Hillary takes the oath. Have a latte in the a.m.
TPS – in defense of MJS – I did correspond with him privately, and he had a few good points which I forwarded to those inside the campaign just in case – no harm no foul. I think he’s definitely a Clinton supporter, a tad young, and perhaps those he’s talking with inside the BO campaign are just volunteers, or junior people, no one really in the know.
Idunn …serious???
Yeah. We rarely use electric heat, never use the air conditioner , don’t have many electrical appliances other than stove and fridge. I do have a washer and dryer, but only use them when it’s freezing outside. Our carbon footprint is almost zilch.
pulch…you are funny
HEy…what time is it in Wyoming? 2:47?
just ran across Fox.. POWERS was “unpaid” advisor.
Oh God, I hope they will track this down and expose another LIE.
1:47pm MST
no
it is 2:47pm
trust me you don’t want to see me on champagne, and the way everyone seems addicted to legal uppers (latte’s, rockstar, red bull, etc) scares me. I’m probably gonna have milk.
IDunn…i got my Chantix again today
Obama trying to be a Libraterian. On live stream at cnn.com stealing Hillary’s plans. saying he will immediately overturn executive orders signed by Bush.
wtg Idunn!!!
Idunn, you don’t have an iron!? Man, you guys are going hard! I don’t have a toaster. I keep meaning to get one, but why? I don’t have to have toast. That’s one invention we could have done without.
IDunn…i got my Chantix again today
Well quit fast and then get off those nasty things. Seriously.