Update: So much for the politics of hope. Barack Obama must fire Samantha Power.
HILLARY Clinton has been branded a “monster” by one of Barack Obama’s top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination. In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman, Samantha Power, his key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp’s true feelings about the former First Lady. [snip]
“We f***** up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.
“She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
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Wyoming. The Hillary Clinton campaign wagons are going to Wyoming.
Cheyenne Hillary For President
1603 Capitol Ave.
Offices 207 & 209
Cheyenne, WY 82001-4542
Phone: 307.778.3177
Casper Hillary For President
1455 S Poplar St
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Phone: 307.234.9390
On March 8, the Wyoming caucus will help decide who will become the next president. We know that Hillary has the strength and experience to lead on day one, and we need to reach out to as many caucus-goers as we can in Wyoming and tell them about her vision for the country.
We will need your help to be successful. Our Wyoming organization is driven by volunteers like you, talking to people, one-on-one. You can get involved by using this website to find an event near you, make calls from right where you are, or take a leadership role in the campaign.
03/07: In Cheyenne – Hillary Clinton Attends “Solutions for America” Town Hall
03/07: In Casper – Hillary Clinton Attends “Solutions for America” Town Hall
03/08: Election Day
Wyoming, the “Equality State”:
Wyoming is known as the “Equality State” because of the rights women have traditionally enjoyed there. Wyoming women were the first in the nation to vote, serve on juries and hold public office.
Wyoming was in the spotlight when Matthew Shepard was murdered in an anti-gay hate crime.
Hillary is an original co-sponsor of the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which would provide additional resources to fight hate crimes.
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The Wyoming Democratic Party Chair is a Hillary hater and a Democrat in name only. Likewise the Democratic Governor of Wyoming does not like Hillary, nor Obama.
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The Hillary Clinton campaign announced it achieved its goal of $3 million in 24 hours. The new goal is $6 million in 48 hours.
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And let’s not forget today was the first day, with jury, with opening arguments, of the REZKO trial.
In his opening statement Thursday, Rezko’s lead defense attorney, Joseph Duffy, mentioned Obama and five other politicians in explaining Rezko’s motivation for political involvement.
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And Barack Obama – firmly In the Dirt:
In the last few days, Obama and his senior staff have been open about their intention to raise all sorts of personal issues against the Clintons. They have even started that process by, for instance, calling for the Clintons to release their tax returns immediately, before the April 15 date Clinton’s campaign has promised. He is also bringing up his rival’s policy and biographical background in a negative way as well.
It is understandable why the Obama team wants to go negative, even while such a tactic conflicts with the senator’s frequent statements that he planned to run a different kind of campaign. Clinton’s recent hammering of Obama’s personal missteps and professional weaknesses (national security readiness, the flap over Obama’s top economic adviser talking to Canadian officials about NAFTA, the criminal trial of former Obama fundraiser Tony Rezko) seems to have helped her win primaries in Ohio and Texas. Those victories have at least temporarily staunched the tide of Obama Inevitability, much to the dismay of his staff and supporters, who have become cozily accustomed to success.
Team Obama wants to react quickly and with maximum force: his top political and communications advisers are from the you-pull-a-knife-I’ll-pull-a-gun school of campaign response. Furthermore, based on watching Obama interact with New York Times’ columnist Maureen Dowd on his campaign plane last week, he did not appreciate her once famously calling him “Obambi.”
After his first truly bad week since January (Clinton’s New Hampshire win notwithstanding), Obama has fretted that the press has decided to be tougher on him — and perhaps softer on Clinton. This might bode ill for a significant change in strategy and tone, even though in the past, many in the media cheered when Obama took steps to go negative against his New York rival. His campaign already has produced plenty of disparaging material about Clinton (radio ads, voter phone calls, e-mails, direct mail) without reproach.
But now it appears the campaign wants to make negative attacks, including those launched directly from the candidate himself, a more central part of its message. [snip]
Early on, Obama pledged to fire anyone on his staff who engaged in the kind of personal attacks his senior advisers are now openly launching on a daily basis. [snip]
By attacking Clinton during a period when he is particularly vulnerable on the Tony Rezko case, NAFTA, and other unseemly matters, Obama risks more unfavorable scrutiny directed at him (especially during a period when Clinton is on a roll, given her charming appearances on late-night comedy shows, her comeback kid excitement, and her refreshed media confidence).
It could look and feel desperate — already Obama’s affronted reaction to those newly tough, “like, eight questions” last week made him seem rather naive and peevish; add cutthroat to that image, and Obama could have a bigger problem than he is trying to solve by changing strategies.
Bring it on Barack. We dare you. We double dare you.
I am speechless about the SD story, and Admin, thanks for the new post. Something BAD is happening to this country and it stinks like BO
Do you know why there should *not* be a mulligan in Florida?
1) Because Florida is controlled by a Republican legislature and they are the ones who pushed the primary up.
2) Because Republicans made the bill that moved the primary up *and* also included the “Paper trail for electronic votes in all future elections”.
3) Because Florida could not vote *no* for moving the primaries *and yes* to a paper trail (to prevent the chad fiasco)? That in fact, these were intertwined in the same bill with emphasis on a paper trail?
4) All democrats were on the ballot.
5) Nobody campaigned (except Obama in national ads).
In the end, democrats had very little to do with this and also had their “hands tied” because the original bill included the paper trail requirement. Also, it was an even playing field (with the exception of Obama commercials on national television).
Umm, superdelegates can kill our party’s chances of winning, the complete opposite function of their purpose in the first place, by endorsing that fool. I hope they wake up and knock this sh** off. I still cannot believe they are choosing the person that won Idaho, Alaska, Utah, Georgia, South Carolina, North Dakota, Kansas and Nebraska over the woman that won New York, California, Ohio, Texas, Florida, Michigan, Tennessee, Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona……fools.
Watch FOx if you can
Wow, I wonder if HRC and Chuck Schumer got letters….
does anyone else smell something fishy about the NY Recruit attack?
Hawk, FOX checking on that now
What SD story?
All of those SD’s coming out to endorse him today
Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:03 EST
50 superdelegates ready to endorse Obama?
Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Tuesday morning, Tom Brokaw dropped a bombshell on Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman.
“Somebody very close to the Obama campaign told me yesterday that they’ve got 50 [superdelegates] that they’ve identified who are ready to go public before too long,” Brokaw said. Off-camera, someone else from the show (it sounds like host Joe Scarborough) can be heard exclaiming, “Wow.” Video of Brokaw’s remarks appears below.
If this is true, it would represent a major coup for Barack Obama’s campaign. The Associated Press’ delegate count has Obama and Clinton separated by just 100 total delegates, included pledged and superdelegates. Obama leads in that count with 1,378 delegates; Clinton trails with 1,276. For the moment, 2,025 are needed for victory.
The word is no SD’s will be “coming out” anytime soon.
Hasn’t that SD story been denied? That’s Tuesday morning’s news.
They were planning something *if* Obama won Texas and possibly came close or won Ohio. He didn’t, it ain’t over ’till Donna Brazille sings.
Wasn’t this before Tuesday?
yes, it is old news.
This election is becoming a farce.
I say this again: screw the fucking party. Hillary can form a new Democratic party and run as the new party’s candidate. This so called Democratic party is hijacked by a bunch of crooks and thugs and it no longer represents our values.
BTW, don’t watch MSNBC unless you are an Obama fan. The reason is this, they are trying to gain viewers….young viewers. I saw a news story recently where they basically admitted their bias due to their desire to win “young” (i.e. college) viewers. They don’t feel they can peel away the CNN people because they have been watching and are loyal for so long.
About BO trying to spread dirt:
It is amazing that, after $70 million was spent to investigate the Clintons’ finances going back thirty years and NOTHING was found, that people still try to get us to believe that the Clintons are somehow corrupt.
I wonder how many other people in politics could withstand that kind of investigation.
kaffeen says
they are trying to gain viewers….young viewers. I saw a news story recently where they basically admitted their bias due to their desire to win “young” (i.e. college) viewers. They don’t feel they can peel away the CNN people because they have been watching and are loyal for so long.
Hm seems they have much in common with the DNC doing the same thing!
Obama’s threat to go negative represents a sea change only in this respect.
Until now he has used surrogates to play the race card, to launch sexist attacks and the like while he maintained plausible deniability.
Now he has removed that mask and from this point forward he can no longer pretend to be innocent. Now he is responsible for whatever foolish things his supporters do that hurts the party and helps Republicans.
Whats that line from Shakespeare– emotion has become lord of reason–something like that.
Young men.
Exactly, Hawk. Obama is winning all the traditionally Republican states. Obviously, there are good Democrats in Idaho, Alaska, Utah, and everywhere else, but let’s be real about it: those states are NOT crucial to the Dems’ chances of winning the White House in the same way that Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, California, New York, Nevada, etc. are.
For the record, Team Obama has denied Brokaw’s 50 SD story but who really knows? Obama is prob. just timing an announcment for later. Remember the early buzz about Ted Kennedy endorsing Obama?
is dean eligible for sup[reme court
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp
HILLARY Clinton has been branded a “monster” by one of Barack Obama’s top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination.
In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman, Samantha Power, his key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp’s true feelings about the former First Lady.
Her comments came as Mr Obama, whose defeats in Texas and Ohio on Tuesday were largely put down to a series of negative attacks on him, vowed to turn up the heat on Mrs Clinton over her claims to be the more experienced candidate.
The fragile truce was blown apart as the pressure for the nomination intensified, with Mrs Clinton winning in Texas and Ohio.
Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from Mr Obama.
“We f***** up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.
“She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
“Interestingly, the people in her innermost circle seem to not mind her; I think they really love her.”
But she added: “There is this middle circle – they are really on the warpath. But the truth is she has proved herself really willing to stoop.”
I thought Dean’s plan was a 48 state strategy? What happened to that. There are alot of states yet to go. There are a lot of delegates yet .. and there was a report today that said the National party REWARDED states bonus delegates for having later primaries…May 1 thru June 10.
Did you all read Bill’s message about donating $5.00 each. It’s such a nice blog entry.
You can bet Obama is using the “Hillary Is A Drag on Down-Ticket Dem. Candidates” crap as well….
I really wish Hillary’s team would release Samantha Power’s comments about Israel. He’s already vulnerable on that front.
Ms. Power needs to stop believing her own lies.
That Machiavellian stuff about Hillary is so obviously not true.
Hillary’s people love her because she’s lovable. And courageous. And has incredible stamina. And and and ……
ADMIN!
WOW
Does the campaign have that? Just another “boneheaded” cmment by another inexperienced policy adviser.
admin..I hope TeamHillary sees this.
Perfect ad for Hillary to use IMO to rip the mask off his whole team… calling Ohioans OBSESSED .. telling America Ohio is the only place she can win.
I don’t think America will like hearing this
BTW, I bet Samanta Powers has has never met Hillary Clinton.
I so hope that Hillary addresses this whole issue. Not just friggin press releases from her website either. Get on tv and say something.
Obama should have to apologize .. period.
, the people in her innermost circle seem to not mind her;
likable….enough
Wow. what a bitch. I wouldn’t mind tellin her what I think of her messiah……..but that would be below a Hillary supporter.
Right, BO’s adviser’s screwup on NAFTA was definitely Hillary’s doing.
space
ditto
likable enough
I remember when he said that I almost put my fist through the tele
Admin .. how bout asking Hillary to confront that woman about Kingsgrove comment as well.
What a god awful thing to say. BO has been absolutely disgusting toward Hill. She will stoop to nothing??? This from the guy who’s basically run around all year calling her a bitch just not in those words? I am sick and tired of the sanctimony from those assholes.
Beyond the scope of that article, I think this proves that Obambi’s camp is frustrated. They are beginning to see the writing on the wall and they just can’t stand it. LMAO
Within the scope of that article, hmmmm…is this really the foreign policy diplomatic approach we would see with Obambi?
What was that Cindy Lauper song in the 80’s? True Colors.
No, it is not below me….he is an arrogant prick that will never get elected president in this country despite his lifelong ambitions to become president….he is a sick asshole.
This is an interesting number…
Not counting Michigan (not everyone on ballot),
13,566,066 Americans have cast votes for Senator Clinton this year.
12,989,852 have cast ballots for Obama.
Hillary has won the popular vote. She will have won the popular vote come the convention. Remembering how many democrats were upset when Gore won the popular vote but didn’t win the election, it seems Hillary will have a very strong argument to make (especially considering that most of those super delegates complained about this back when Gore ran).
We updated our article, calling on Samantha Power to be fired. Let’s get this story out. As Kingsgrove points out, Power has some other problems.
Also Power was the one who prepared Obama’s Attack Pakistan speech.
Campaign already has it from here
A new Florida nugget…
The Florida democrats tried to remove the language about the primary being moved (on the bill that both had to do with creating a paper trail for electronic votes and the republicans moving up the primary). The republicans refused. Just reported on CNN (didn’t know that one). Wow.
OMG, that’s awful. I love how she’s like “ooops, that’s off the record!” Nice try yo.
Hillary has won the popular vote. If anyone says Obambi is the front-runner, they need to define that. Besides the fact that no candidate can win the nomination with pledged delegates, this probably means *the popular vote* should be the deciding factor.
As is….Hillary has won the popular vote.
my Mum always said
“shit rolls down hill”
so Obama’s the head “shit” it’s no wonder Sammie girl is that way, they all are right down to their thugish bots at the caucus, pathetic.
I’d like about five minutes alone with one of them LOL:)
He had to threaten to attack somebody after his lame response to the question as to what would be the first thing he would do after a terrorist attack – he started talking about the first responders and forgot about what a bunch of militaristic, sick nuts the press are. They had him pegged as a bleeding heart and he had to threaten to kill a bunch of people to stop the bleeding.
One of the prevailing junk ideas spouting from the slimy mouths in the DNC is that if Obambi has any kind of lead in delegates going into Denver, it would be difficult for the party of civil rights to deny an AA the nomination. Excuse me? Civil rights do not equal AA rights! Civil rights include Latinos, Asian-Americans, Jewish-Americans and especially women. Let’s be honest. Many of these groups are not just voting for HRC in recent primaries but also against the AA Obama. Not because AAs have koodies. It’s because sometimes our AA fellow citizens think they are first among equals when it comes to the CR thing since they were the ones who fought the major battles against racism. Thanks. You did save America from itself once upon a time. But now the liberator has become the oppressor. Others, including woman, are now demanding a place at the national table but the AAs insist on being the chef. We just wash the dishes.
HRC will win unless she is ripped off by the Party. The arguments for wining the GE are all hers. It is as clear as the space between Dean’s ears. If the nomination is stolen by the SDs under pressure, I hope there is a “Women for McCain” organization. Adim, why not suggest that McCain choose a female running mate on the front page. The McCain folks now have some time to read our stuff while they are planning their war strategy. If the Deannies pull a fast one in Denver (or before), just the whiff of such a brilliant counter move from the McCain camp would send shivers down the spine of Howard Dean if he had one. Who says a VP does not do anything for a ticket.
Better yet, if we get scammed, let’s get Hillary to run as a Third Party candidate. If the Democratic Party wants to transform itself into an AA Party, well go right ahead. We woman are free to start our own and Hillary can be its first candidate. Put that in your pretty pipe Mr. Dean and smoke it. Don’t forget to inhale. The Democratic Party can join the Federalists and Whigs and be assigned to the history books. The DNC better look at the electoral math. A big chunk of the AA vote is in red states. Women are in every state. Red, white and blue! We don’t need the Democratic Party, they need us. Let’s borrow a phrase from good old Karl Marx “Women of the world unite. We have nothing to lose but these gosh darn chains.” Hillary was the spark that ignited the prairie fire. Bless her sweet soul. But if we are not willing to fight the battle with her, we deserve what we get. Any woman SD who crosses over to Obama will get theirs in spades someday. I hope they enjoy their second rate status.
Did anyone here catch that snippet on Morning Joe, where Mika was reporting and they were supposed to go to a clip about McCain (i think), and there was about 3-4 seconds of the SNL Cartoon about BO, that had the bit of Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton in the swamp?
Mika was stunned, and caught off guard She said “Well! Well! I , I um dont know what that was. It was funny, but I don’t know what that was” then they went to the real clip. Just goes to show ya that the boys in the back room in the control booth were laughing at the “yes, massa” cartoon while Mila is in the Bag for him. I almost think they did that to rattle her cage and I can JUST IMAGINE that uproar that took place when they went to break. If anyone can find this on YouTube, I am SURE it must be out there and exposes them for what they are. Fools and hypocrites.
Good evening, all!Just got home from all day Dr. visits and caught some sh!t on the BM Talking head shows.
Everyone, from tweetie, to O’Reilly to Ogremann to Hannity are syaing that BO is ahead in popular votes and hammering that theme hard.
Sharpton on Bill-O saying if the winner of the popular vote – balahblahblah. Tomorrow I’m gonna email these shows with Kaffeen’s numbers but, kaff, do you have a link to the source?
FWIW – Brazile is the real puppet-master here. SHE is the one who decided to sanction florida and Michigan as chair of the Rules and regs committee. Why such a harsh punishment? I think Dean is just cleaning up after another of his arrogant out-of-control clones.
Well BambiCamp(tm) will deny, deny, deny first on the Power article.
They brought NaftaGate on themselves and tried to pin it on Hillary as well.
I guess when they have shit pains they gonna blame her as well.
Again, I would never in my lifetime stoop to vote for him. Never in my lifetime and Hillary better not accept him as a veep.
I finally got home and can look at the SUSA electoral college cross tabs. Washington has been bugging me since it came out and the demo breakdowns are funky. They have her losing Hispanics, Asians and Blacks by pretty good margins to McCain. WTF?
Admin and all–anyone who thinks that was an unguarded moment is getting taken for a ride. That was on script. Stop repeating it. The woman who said it is the monster. Obama is behaving monstrously. If we want to hear campaigns spreading the word monster around, there are plenty of places to land that label. Something that drives me wild about progressive talks shows and Hillary websites is that we only do the other side free advertising when we repeat their smears. Here is what I would love to see us saying: Smantha Power behaved monstrously today in attempting to smear Hillary. or Samantha Power acted like a Halloween ghoul attempting to smear Hillary. or Samantha Power is so frightened by her candidate’s downslide is she is calling Hilary names. Or when things get hard for Obama’s campaign staff they pull out the hyperbole. etc. etc. Just do not repeat the smear. That is what they want. That is how a smear grows, etc. Now you can just bet
everyone on the msm will be calling Hillary a monster via Samantha Power. They play the media like a violin.
BTW, don’t watch MSNBC unless you are an Obama fan. The reason is this, they are trying to gain viewers….young viewers.
Specifically young males…I’ve been saying that for months, at least one station will acknowledge it. But what does it say for the media?
That goes for The Daily, Bill Mahar etc.. too
basil, I just added up the numbers on CNN’s site. You have to do it state by state and count Florida.
The Black vote in WA splits 55-35 for McCain v. Clinton and the hispanic vote splits 58-31 for McCain.
Something is wacked in WA.
“was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead”
It’s shocking, she’s actually going to people and asking for tehheir votes–WILL SHE STOP AT NOTHING?
Obama has the vapors, somebody bring him the smelling salts, a pillow, and Olberman to cuddle with.
linfar
sent it
Hey experience, gracias. I’m looking forward to it
See if we can go after his character a wee bit…
linfar – I agree with you. this is a case where they want the word to be played over and over even if it reflects poorly on Obama’s campaign. I can see Drudge headlining it.
This Samantha Powers person is out of control. Campaigns like this wear on everyone but her comments are beyond the pale. If Obama had a modicum of decency he would recognize this and place her on a medical leave of absense to prevent further damage to his sinking campaign.
Ininla, yes, yes. These people do not make slips. But that idea makes it all the more tempting to the press. Like catnip!
OOPS – too late – it’s headline on Drudge.
townhall.com/blog/g/be017e43-07d6-4b3b-9638-c40caa1a5480
Where did you get your stats from Kafeen? My understanding was that she’s ahead ONLY if you count Michigan. I still think it’s entirely possible for her to take the popular vote lead, i just don’t know where you got your info.
wbboei, this is the obama campaign from day one. He has surrogates trash her, rip her a new one, take her apart in every way imaginable and then he goes tsk, tsk and that is the end of it. Who played the race card, more than once? who has called her so many mysogynistic names you can’t count them? Who sends out the creepiest fliers, and on and on. OBAMINATION!!!
Tiny those stats from Washington sound completely wrong.
I have never seen a more entitled candidate, except perhaps George Bush.
clinton 13,254,781
bambi 13,206,955
omitting florida
clinton 12,069,422
satan 12,637,914
ignoring causus states her lead is 244,176
with
clinton 12,069,970
satan 12,835,804
its late here hope maths is ok:)
causus=caucus ooops#
got numbers from cnn website
a nice twist on the BO “hope” poster (in case you have not seen it):
cgi.ebay.com/Barack-Obama-Giant-%22Nope%22-Poster-Exclusive-1-of-a-kind!_W0QQitemZ140211011958QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL0802270974a11499
I disagree Kafeen. It goes to his judgement. If one of Hilary’s advisors said something about him..oh I forgot they did and he had to be fired. It also cost her points.
To call Hillary a monster on tv will rally people to her side…they see her getting slammed everyday, they see her still fighting, they see media hitting her with lies and trash.
I don’t see this as smearing her. it smears him .. it goes to his whole team..again, people around him making mistakes. How does that speak to how the would choose advisors.
Just my opinion
Is the Mississippi JJ being broadcast anywhere?
More about repeating smears. Obama is a genius at deflecting it. He never repeats anything. Rezko isn’t sticking because he will not repeat anything. But this seems to be something democrats haven’t learned yet. Everytime we repeat the accusation we give it a little bit more oxygen, like a fire.
Going negative on HRC with old stuff just won’t work, imo. The media has been giving HRC pap smears since 1992. nnever find anything. Ken Starr gave her a complete examination, colonoscopy (?), mamo and everything..all clean..move on nothing to see. would be a bad move on bho part
To call Hillary a monster on tv will rally people to her side
a monster lol…how old are they 12?
He’ll have to apologize and he’ll have to ask for her resignation. Nothing short will be accepted.
Al Shapton just told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.
So scary… Let’s just hand the nomination to Hussein Obama, the underprivileged AA who can finally have his dream and hope fulfilled. That would give peace to this freaking country.
Actually I want to nominate Hussein Obama as the president of the United Nation.
“She worked as freelance journalist in Bosnia, after teaching herself the language in Croatia. Her only other journalism experience prior to that was covering the Yale women’s volleyball team.”
love this
his foreign policy adviser…..
I know Hawk! It’s weird. Hillary gets blacks well over 60%, in the 70s and 80s in all the other states I looked at. Hispanics seem to go back and forth, but oddly in NV McCain wins Hispanics over Hillary and Obama wins hispanics over McCain. ???? I think SUSA is the gold standard this election, but those stats don’t smell right to me.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=09121f95-3b09-42c3-9c71-32e1494e7e25%20
Sharpton is trying to stay relevant…his sell by is long gone..the milk is sour
Al Shapton just told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.
Is that not blackmail or what?
That f**ing Playmate! just caught the clip of Dean on Scarface this morning and she quotes from a WaPo article calling on judgment from the DNC and the candidates regarding Florida and Michigan, ending with a quote that says something to the effect that Dean should publicly condemn the hemming and hawing of HRC on the 60 minutes Interview about Bo’S religion! WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!
She didn’t hem or haw!!!!!!! She was asked three times about BO being a muslim and each time she said that he’d made it clear he was a Christian and finally she got exasperated and when pressed again about his religion she said he wasn’t a Muslim as far as she knew and that somehow gets magnified into hemming and hawing??????
All the more reason to NOT have Obama in the whitehouse
dedfg, monster is something the right wing called her for decades. it is an old smear. And it is one that resonates. That’s why Rove says she has to show more of the light, fun Hill like on SNL. It is a serious slander that cannot be rebutted. She has tried and tried. Of course it now headlines Drudge. Hill’s biggest drawback in poll after poll after poll is she is calculating and heartless. Well, that equals monster. What tghe campaign should do is just confront them on it. that was no accident. that is what the Obama campaign does. they light a fire and then say they didn’t or it was a mistgake or an accident or fill in the blank.
linfar: I completely agree. My comments were tongue in cheek.
THE CASE AGAINST REVOTING:
FL and MI revotes must be fought against, because it is wrong on principlepractical, and wrong in practical purposes.
Obama was not forced to withdraw his name from the MI ballot, he did so to undermine the “value” of Hillary’s expected win. And he was on the FL ballot, he just did a lot worse than she did.
On principle, the people of FL and MI voted. We are now telling them that we didn’t like that vote, would you please try again. Pissing off voters in battleground states is a poor starting point for the GE.
In practice, there are many reasons that make it complicated and unfair.
1. Who’s going to pay for it?
a. Didn’t Dean say DNC won’t pay for it (I suppose it’s “punishment”).
b. so then let’s punish FL/MI taxpayers, including those who are Republican or Independent?
c. If Oprah or someone “foots the bill”, to essentially help Obama, isn’t that a contribution outside the legal $2,300 limit????
2. Who is going to make up the new rules?
a. If you thought the caucuses were bad in little states…caucus in MI???
b. Any rule set is going to help one candidate or the other…no way around it.
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The only fair solution is to count the votes. The “abstain” votes in MI go to…No one.
If the DNC wants to use some sense, do what the RNC did: punish the states by halving their delegates.
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Later, we’ll try to flesh out these arguments. This needs to get floated up to Maggie Williams, Wolfson, and the Wonder Woman herself.
Hey, has anyone called her “Wonder Woman” yet? I like it.
wow, was ms power drunk? you don’t say any of that shit to the press! she’s a monster and it’s “interesting” that people don’t mind her??
You just look at her and think: ergh.
wow. this is just not said. i can’t believe it.
there is another interesting comment later in the piece that prob won’t get attention due to the personal insults, but, referring to meeting with dictators –
But seeking to at least have dialogue would give the United States more kudos in the non-western world, allowing others to see that perhaps it was not all America’s fault.
not helpful imho. we should meet with ahmedinejad to show others that.. something? was not all America’s fault? and what, exactly?
Sharpton is only saying what the Obama campaign has been threatening the dnc with from the outset. And it has democrats running scared. They don’t seem to get it quite so clearly that women will bolt if it goes the other way. Hill’s surrogates don’t threaten the way Obama’s do. In so many words Brazile threatened to leave too.
As of march 5th
CNN website
Total votes cast per candidate
Clinton 13,254,781
Satan 13,206,955
Omitting florida and Michigan
Clinton 12,069,422
Satan 12,637,914
So the fact is that both candidates are actually as near to neck and neck as can be in terms of the popular vote with Hillary ahead of Satan in terms of votes cast in her favour by a margin of 47,826
It is only if you discount fla and Mi that Satan had a lead and then it amounts to 568,492
Given the debate about how democratic is would be to allow SD’s to overturn the candidate with highest popular vote it is worth speculating on the morality of not counting some 1,754,400 votes in fla and Mi.
Clearly if the total number of votes is taken into account we can identify the candidate with the largest popular vote
This ould mean Hillary as this stage-although this could change in the remaining contests.
There is another wrinkle however
These figures include a small double count in Texas (two step) which favours Satan which would push hillay’s lead to about 50,000 approx
There is another issue in that there is a clear advantage to Satan in caucus states, this is demonstrated in Texas. This could be quantified and an allowance made for other states. This would reflect the actual state of Hillary’s support in terms of popular vote and it would be higher
If we ignore the caucus states her lead is 244,176
Clinton 13,069,970
Satan 12,825,804
Hmmm, experience, I come up with these numbers…
13,566,066 Hillary
12,989,852 Obambi.
That lying bitch. Look what she says here:
“You just look at her and think: ergh. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive. ”
That’s what BO has been doing since right before WI.
Here is why rezco is getting no mention. Story only had 12 votes on it
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_us/fundraiser_trial_2;_ylt=AtdPYjs3WjHwN_6RBY2_vNfkbeRF
It leads one to believe that Obama will scarcely be mentioned.
wbboei, lol. I was so pissed off when I read the monster crapola getting floated again I wouldn’t have heard a joke if you hit me over the head with it. The Obama campaign fights really, really dirty.
“# dedfg Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Al Shapton just told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.
Is that not blackmail or what?”
I just don’t understand the sense of entitlement from these people, as if the whole freaking world owes them something! If the DNC is so worried about pissing off the AAs, they should also be worried about pissing off Latinos, Asian American, Jews, and believe or not, some plain white people!
Thugs!
My numbers jive with this one…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
Sharpton threatening to demonstrate is not good for Obama’s campaign. That’ll just make people turn away from it. I know I for one am sick of hearing Sharpton threatening every 5 minutes.
Anyone have a link to the ABC story or video with HRC flatly refusing to have a do-over in Florida and Michigan? I can’t find it.
kaffeen i did this yesterday from the cnn number yesterday, might have made mistake but thought i checked them well:) argument is the same tho, bambi is not doig as well as the media say
I wonder where Bill Ayers was when that bomb was planted???? As for the NY congressmen getting letters from the group claiming responsibilty, it would not suprise me if the where Hillary’s superdelegates.
kaffeen
i did it in excel, maybe typed one in wrong
Obama’s aide calling Hillary “a monster” to reporters is appalling, and beyond the pale. Obama should issue an apology.
RCP doesn’t count Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine Totals
experience….yours may be right, I just had a calculator.
Just imagine how up-in-arms the mainstream press would be if a top Clinton advisor, like Penn or Wolfson, callled Obama “a monster.” We’d never hear the end of it… yet another example of the excessive pro-Obama bias.
HRC is a monster…yep. But she’s not even 1/4 the monster her defenders are. Watch out Sammy, the boogie men (and women) might eat you up.
Al Sharpton is probably one of the most hated people in America as an annoying bastard.
MSNBC has been shocked (Matthews and Olberman) that Wolfson compared Obama to Ken Starr. Why would she drudge that up, they say.
I wish these people would get a clue. It was in RESPONSE to an Obama memo that threatened to bring up Whitewater, travelgate, on and on
You know, this morning Obama campaign was saying Archie Bunker types are only ones voting for Hillary. I am white working class background and that stuff is as serious as racism. It is stereotyping. But in this country racism is much more important. Sometimes peopel don;t even see classism. And that Archie Bunker crapola is classism. The Obama campaign is playing every damn card in the book. They slimed and libeled every white voter in Ohio, for god’s sake. And nobody says boo.
Sorry to keep posting on this, but what’s really galling is that the aide who called her a “monster” didn’t issue an immediate apology, but instead said, “oh wait, that’s off the record.” Ugh!
Ah, story on CNN – on Obama’s state career! some scrutiny?
kaffeen
i’d be shocked but happy if i didnt make a mistake. after being up all night watchig the elections:)
i started an excel sheet to keep track of the numbers several different ways, but as i said i was really tired:)
but the whole point is that caucus dont predict a winner in a GE when everyone votes, i think dean is messing with fire and may get burnt
But I believe Al Sharpton does represent the mentality of Hussein Obama’s camp. Hussein Obama needs to be stopped! He is a huge threat to our democracy.
Well, of the record , I think we’re gonna have to get Ms. Power fired.
In fact, I’ll get Diva to help me with that in the morning.
Well, how should hill respond to this baseless, disgusting attack by BO’s hag. By the way, he clearly had her say it so it could look like it was coming from a woman..
I actually think Susan Powderheads comments makea brilliant woman like Hillary Clinton even more appreciated.
Powder has such great credentials too.. this is what he’d chose in the Whitehouse.
Also, Al Sharpton .. don’t worry your bud won’t get the popular vote. You won’t have to worry come convention time.
The media is making such a joke of this election.
completely ignoring the GLBT community, the Latino community, the Asian American community, all of which are solidly behind HRC. As I have said before Obama is becoming slightly more and more racist via his surrogates like Jesse Jackson Jr. (comments after NH) and Al Sharpton, an obvious racist.
experience, I’ll add ‘em up again a bit later……but as you say, the point is the same. Hillary has won the popular vote and there is every reason to believe that she will have the popular vote in at the convention.
completely ignoring the GLBT community, the Latino community, the Asian American community, all of which are solidly behind HRC…
All her AA and Bi-racial supporters…
How’s this for a press story you will never see:” Samantha Power behaved foolishly today, apparently distraught over her candidate’s slide in standing. Pretending she was off the record she attacked Hillary Clinton with nursery rhyme type smears. It was theorized that the pressure has been almost overwhelminjig of late and perhaps she needs a holiday.”
Yeah Idunn, and her supporters in the Jewish community.
Im old skool
perhaps the florida and michigan people should have a demonstartio about being IGNORED by the F**king DNC!!
Maybe hillary supporters should gather for a march WTF???
you cant ignore over 50% of the population who voted
F**K YOU HOWARD DEAN AND YOUR MINIONS!!
I don’t think I can be satisfied with giving her a holiday. I think I’m gonna have to make sure she’s fired.
Hillary has to respond to this, especially the bs about the Ohioans. And, that she was not trying to scare anyone, she leaves those tactics up to BO, but to point out this guy is such a liar he was making assurances to foreign governments that ran contrary to his public statements!
Maybe hillary supporters should gather for a march WTF???
Hell, I’m only about 8 hours from DC. I’ll march.
Independent Ben, They are liars. Do yo really think they do not know the facts? Tweety, Blobberman, Fucker carlson are bastards. They are traitotrs and MFS.
The biggest reason I hate obama is that he turned this election into a racial divide, for that he can never be forgiven!!
Powder head, I love it.
She will not get fired. Don’t even bother. It’s just like Jesse Jackson Jr. and Donnie McClurkin and that military asshole. They fire off their barages and the press goes, Ooooh. And nobody does shit.
Yeah, I want her fired. I want her ass on da street.
Ohio voters got insulted twice today by Obama supporters. Way to reach out to them for the GE!
The biggest reason I hate Obama is…well, he’s Obama.
Hillary should have her campaign and surrogates attack Barack into mincemeat. Will the Jefferson-Jackson dinner be televised? What are the internals in Mississippi looking like?? I know she will lose the Jackson metro area, but she could get the gulfport/biloxi area, as well as Meridian. Hopefully something like Missouri happens where she wins all of the rural counties, but doesn’t carry the major city because I know Jackson has a large AA population.
Experiencematters, I agree completely. This racial divide he is causing is going to permanently damage brown-black relations in our party for a long time to come. I am very nervous about this. This is why we need her as a nominee, Latinos ar enot as party oriented as AA’s, they will go for McCain if it is B.O.
experience, I agree. I have not been aware of race in such a negative way in a long, long time. And the class stuff just reeks. That archie bunker crapola this morning was unforgiveable. I couldn’t vote for this guy if you paid me. I mean it. He is a sick fuck who deserves to go down in very ugly flames.
Idunn
im so pissed of riht now that if they DO have a re-do or caucus in florida im coming over for it!!! and if ONE of those ratty little shit boxes of bambis comes near me i’ll deck em! they wont take over and intimidate people in front of me I can tell you. Grrrrrrrr!!!!
Yeah, I want her fired. I want her ass on da street.
Hey, Bambi said he’d fire anyone that said that kind of thing, didn’t he? Let’s just press him to show that he intends to keep his promises to the good people of this country.
Rush Limbaugh should urge Mississippi republicans to vote for HRC since their nominee is chosen.
Tiny Dancer Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
I finally got home and can look at the SUSA electoral college cross tabs. Washington has been bugging me since it came out and the demo breakdowns are funky. They have her losing Hispanics, Asians and Blacks by pretty good margins to McCain. WTF?
That would never happen. That SUSA poll is out of whack.
I heard on NPR tonight (from someone from the O campaign I assume) that supposedly Obama has really won Texas because of the caucus results!! I thought that the primary winner got 2/3 of the delegates and the caucus winner gets 1/3, so WTF?????
I wonder how Dean feels about Obama & Co. insulting fellow democrats? My goodness, that CAN’T be good for the party as a whole.
I”m trying to post at Times Online UK h t t p : / /www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article3492457.ece
Many people consider Hillary’s vote on the AUMF to be better than Obama’s. Hers was a vote for negotiation, diplomacy. She took a nuanced view of a complicated situation and gave Powell a big stick she trusted he would not abuse. This will appeal to the more intelligent, informed of the voters who would otherwise lean to McCain, to whom Obama seems a simplistic demogogue on that issue. See David Brooks at NYT, “No Apology Necessary.”
PS. This feminist is charmed by the image of Hillary flouncing out to run independent.
Unfortunately she is too loyal and ethical to actually do that. I will try to use a quill pen and make flourishes when I write her name in, though, should that become necessary.
hawk
linfar
that is the reason i dispise him. what he is doing is plain evil. Look the clintons are good people, i know this. They worked their arses off for us over here and i personally know the type of people they are and I personally konw the amount of work they did,the middle of the night calls, the meetings, the pressure. without them we’d have no peace process AND i’d like to tell fuckface obama that HILLARY WAS HERE not sipping fucking tea, but sitting down with protestants and catholic women creating dialoge between bitter communities,. When little kids were being attacked walking to school at the holy cross primary school, this went on for weeks, Hell, even OPRAH covered it. Where was the messiah, the uniter then??? partying with rezko!! so how dare he try to make the clintons out to be racist, that’s just not on in my book and for that i hate him and for what it is diong to america. done venting now:)
That’s a great idea! I rarely if ever get a chance to use my caligraphy skills these days. I’ll be sure to write in her name with as much drama and beauty as I can muster.
mj – They have Obama only getting 60% of the black vote in CA and McCain getting 38 So yeah, someting is fishy with SUSA. WA will go blue.
And in North Carolina McCain wins latinos 98 to 2 over Clinton, but Obama takes latinos 75 – 25 over McCain. It’s like bizzaro world?
Idunn, Dean hates Hillary.
Dean is chief cook and bottle washer, along with Brazile, with party dems who want to oust Clintons. Obama is just their poster child. The knives are out.
I wonder what BFF Brazile has to say about Ms. Power’s remarks. Wasn’t she all down with the negative attacks a couple days ago?
Hey Experience.
About Irish peace process.
There is another one to add to Hill’s foreign policy experience. Of course it was Bill. Did Hillary come over and supoort it or anything??
BFF is a fucking two faced sack of shit. And you can put that ON the record.
Whoa, Tiny now I am convinced those polls are fake. 100% wrong. SUSA is wrong for the first time in a long time.
dean is re-doing the party from the ground up
core democrats being replaced with the young bots
pulilng a bush in florida
he thinks he doesnot need us, just wait, he will and we will be elsewhere!!
Hillary Clinton is more electable than Barack Obama in Louisiana: McCain beats Obama 54-39, while Hillary holds McCain to a ten point margin, or 51-41.
Experience, do yu have any arfticles or anything about Hillary doing what you describe?
That is Great stuff.
Good press for her.
If you do have stuff, send it along. I am winding up to get back in the diary business
linfar, yes she did!!!
her ass was here!! She sat down with a group in belfast and got them talking, a group of women for both communites. I met Bill here three times and her once. She DID help here in many ways, just her presence brings focus. We love her here and Bill too.
Who is BFF?
Also, Pennsylvania is a close primary, but when is the last date to change party affiliation?? Do you think we will have a problem with Republicans crossing over to vote in the democratic primary because they already have a nominee??
basil9,
“Anyone have a link to the ABC story or video with HRC flatly refusing to have a do-over in Florida and Michigan? I can’t find it.”
It was Jake Tapper on the ABC World News. You should be able to watch the World News on ABC’s website. It’s pretty close to the beginning.
Hillary is in Mississippi tomorrow too
He Irish one
Can you send me any articles? That would be great. Good. good. We have to counter the smears with information about what she does, how she behaves, things she has done.
From 1999 on HRC and Ireland :
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/342931.stm
linfar
im trying to find a photo, but, if you look on the front page of hillaryworldwide.org i have a pic of her with Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley, they are the two leaders, first minister and deputy first minister. I know that when they went to washington last, only a fewmonths ago, theymet with Bush and her…NOT BAMBI!!! Shows the importance assigned to her by the irish
I thought she was in WY tomorrow?
Looking at how Clinton won in Ohio
Posted by dpolveri March 05, 2008 23:11PM
Rural Ohio helped Clinton win the state
It came down to places like “The Little Smokies,” the hilly region where the Scioto and Ohio rivers meet, more than 200 miles south of Cleveland.
There, 81 percent of Scioto County’s Democratic voters, nearly all white, stood with Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose campaign was reborn Tuesday after beating rival Barack Obama, 54 percent to 44 percent in Ohio.
Voters in The Little Smokies figured big. The county produced a nearly 10,000-vote margin for Clinton – equal to Obama’s margin of victory in the more populous urban Montgomery County, which includes Dayton.
Combined with voters in the state’s other 62 rural counties, voters in Scioto helped Clinton beat back a surging Obama, whose five county victories Tuesday were in urban and suburban areas, including Cuyahoga County.
• Download a graphic (PDF) looking at how Hillary Clinton, Gov. Strickland got similar support in Ohio
Obama beat Clinton in Cuyahoga 53 percent to 46 percent, or by about 23,000 votes.
Though Obama lost virtually no ground in the race for delegates, Ohio’s election results complicated the road to the nominating convention by sharpening the differences in each candidate’s voter base.
Clinton overwhelmingly attracted white voters, women, older voters, rural voters and union members; Obama attracted affluent voters, black urban voters and college students, according to voting patterns analyzed by The Plain Dealer and by exit poll data provided by the Associated Press.
In previous primaries, exit polls showed Obama capturing more of the white male vote.
Clinton’s domination in rural Ohio, whose residents are largely white and poorer than those in other parts of state, wasn’t an accident.
Clinton and her surrogates — namely Bill Clinton and Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland — targeted voters there.
Bill Clinton, whose roots in Arkansas made him popular among Ohio’s rural voters in his 1992 and 1996 elections, campaigned in 20 cities, the bulk in rural areas.
Strickland, elected governor by a landslide in 2006, was born in Scioto County and, as a former congressman, once represented a dozen counties along the Ohio River.
In addition to campaigning alongside Hillary Clinton, Strickland worked his contacts, from small-county bosses to small-town reporters, a network that appears to have helped her in rural Ohio.
When Strickland learned Obama was visiting southern Ohio last weekend, for instance, he called contacts at radio stations and made impromptu visits to television stations in West Virginia that provide coverage to southern Ohio.
“I found out that there is not a lot of news on Sundays,” Strickland said in an interview Wednesday. “My goal was to make sure any exposure Obama received was negated.”
Strickland said he believes voters’ familiarity with him did make a difference, especially with those who made up their minds at the last minute.
“When people like both candidates, the opinion of someone they know can make a difference,” he said.
Obama did best among blacks who also turned out in greater numbers than in past Ohio primaries. He got backing from nine in 10 blacks.
Such support was evident in Cuyahoga County, which includes the largest black voting bloc in the state. He won 70 percent of the vote in the delegate-rich 11th Congressional District, represented by Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, who backs Clinton. About 55 percent of the district’s residents are black, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
Strickland said it’s unfortunate that some voters appear to have cast votes along race and gender lines.
“There’s no sense pretending that some prejudice and intolerance isn’t there,” he said. “But the bigger story is that an African-American and a woman have been embraced by huge numbers.”
Clinton and Obama split among independents, a group the Illinois senator had solidly won in recent primaries.
Obama did better among more affluent voters in the state, in places like Franklin and Delaware counties, which have median incomes above the state’s average.
Clinton and Obama campaigned in middle-class regions of the state largely around economic issues such as trade.
The two candidates battled in particular around the North American Free Trade Agreement, which unions blame for the loss of jobs in Ohio. They each accused the other of being more supportive of the deal. But during the final days before the primary, Obama’s campaign was accused by a Canadian television network of privately downplaying his opposition to the deal to the Canadian government, an issue Clinton pounced on.
In the end, Clinton won far more blue-collar workers and voters who live in union households. She won nearly six in 10 votes from union households and the same number among people who earn less than $50,000 a year, according to exit polling data.
She picked up the contested Mahoning Valley, which includes Youngstown and has been hit particularly hard by manufacturing job losses.
Dave Regan, head of the Columbus-based Service Employees International Union 1199, which endorsed Obama, said Clinton and her surrogates were “skillful and effective” in selling their anti-NAFTA position.
“The real irony of this is that the people who brought us NAFTA managed to campaign as critics of that trade agreement,” he said. “Sen. Obama has to rightfully reclaim that issue. In our judgment that issue slipped away.”
Plain Dealer Computer-Assisted Editor Rich Exner contributed to this story.
http://www.cleveland.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/_rural_ohio_helped_clinton.html
Idunn, experience, thanks. Anything else send it along, ok. Linfar2003@yahoo.com
The last day to register in PA is March 24th
Idunn
thanks for finding that, I remember now it was ot long after rosemary nelson that lawyer was murdered and right after that three catholic kids (the quinn children) were burnt alive in their homes, it was awful. So the cintons know and understand committment, when they give their word they keep it…full stop
OMG it’s 230AM her got to go to bed LOL
g’nightall
I do not trust Survey USA’s polling, for Obamabots indicated they would vote for McCain in order to alter the results.
Night, Experience.
SUSA also has North Dakota going blue AND Obama losing the black vote (it’s only 1% of the population, but REALLY?)
Night, experience.
basil9,
Here is the link to Hillary’s statement saying NO to a CAUCUS:
[Update, 6:30 p.m. In an interview with U.S. News & World Report, Senator Clinton had this to say about the process going forward:
I would not accept a caucus. I think that would be a great disservice to the 2 million people who turned out and voted. I think that they want their votes counted. And you know a lot of people would be disenfranchised because of the timing and whatever the particular rules were. This is really going to be a serious challenge for the Democratic Party because the voters in Michigan and Florida are the ones being hurt, and certainly with respect to Florida the Democrats were dragged into doing what they did by a Republican governor and a Republican Legislature. They didn’t have any choice whatsoever. And I don’t think that there should be any do-over or any kind of a second run in Florida. I think Florida should be seated.]
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/fla-senator-to-dnc-pay-for-a-new-primary/#more-4457
Hey, guys, has anyone else heard the claim that it was really BO that won Texas because of the caucus results????? (Heard it on NPR.)
Emmy, all that matters to me is the popular vote, not a rediculous caucus.
They said that BO will really get more delegates, but I don’t get it at all.
Emmy, he is FOS.
The caucus votes in Texas haven’t even been fully counted yet. 40% are in as of the last count I know, but that leaves a great deal left to be counted.
More than half of the precincts in Texas have not reported the caucus results. And Travis County, one of Obama’s strongholds, is almost fully reported.
Yeah, becuase of the ludicrous caucus. She won the popular vote. That’s what matters.
Yes, Hussein Obama did get more votes from TX because of he got more delegates from the caucus and how the delegates are distributed. This again shows how screwed up the caucus system is. Actually this is good. It definitely proves his wins in those caucuses are extremely skewed.
an hr ago usa today saying not even half caucus results in
Besides, Texas has lodged over a few thousand complaints for the Caucus. It is pretty much regarded as a joke here today.
Don’t give that caucus crap any weight.
The Texas caucus votes have not been counted and may not be counted until this summer, please don’t mislead anyone here. Those delegates, as all caucus delegates, will not be pledged either.
I was told the other night that the primary winner in Texas got 2/3 of the delegates and the caucus winner got 1/3. So even if he won the caucus, he wouldn’t get more delegates. Something is screwy.
THERE WILL NOT BE A CAUCUS IN MICHIGAN because HILLARY opposes it and the MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY wants agreement from
all parties.
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/fla-senator-to-dnc-pay-for-a-new-primary/#more-4457
And from Michigan:
The state’s Democratic chairman Mark Brewer issued this statement:
“We are currently in negotiations over the seating of a Michigan delegation to the National Convention. Any resolution must be agreeable to all four interested parties: the M.D.P., the D.N.C., and both the Clinton and Obama campaigns because we all want a united Democratic Party in Michigan to ensure a victory for the Democratic nominee this fall. A McCain presidency would continue the failed policies of the Bush Administration that hurt Michigan jobs, keep health care out of reach for millions, and make our country less safe. I am confident that we will reach a compromise that will result in Michigan being a full participant at the national convention.”
Note Mark Brewer’s point that “any resolution must eb agreeable to all four interested parties”
BOTTOM LINE: There will not be a caucus in Michigan since Hillary is opposed to it.
Am I the only person who thinks maybe an Obamaton pulled a William Ayers on the Times Square recruiting center? Seriously, I wouldn’t put it past them. Those hopium smokers are fucking crazy, ya’ll.
And for someone who mentioned above, yes, Obambi’s counties *have* been counted, it is the others that haven’t. There is a real possibility that Hillary actually won the caucus (which I don’t give any weight regardless of who wins it). Caucus is a joke and disenfranchises people.
I want to be told that that guy on NPR was WRONG and full of s***t!!
I will be surprised if any state aside from Iowa holds a caucus in 2012.
No wait, I won’t, America is stupid.
He’s full of shit, Emmy.
We had an eco-terrorist attack in WA this week and now a bomb scare in NYC. :/
Wow. Look at this from mediamatters. We have to get competitive like this
Here is a link to the article;
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200803040004?f=h_column and an excerpt follows:
How do we do this? What blog on Hillary’s side has the capability and $$$ to
do this?
Here is an excerpt:
“But nearly 15,000 letters sent in just a matter of days in response to a single
news wire
article? That’s something else entirely and could mark the dawn of a new era in
progressive media activism. The phenomenon has received very little mainstream
media
attention (journalists probably don’t want to encourage this sort of thing), but
make no
mistake: It was a very big deal…..
What prompted the organized outpouring of angst last week against the AP was
when the
website Firedoglake took action, embraced a new organizing tool, tapped into a
wellspring of enthusiasm for Obama, and pointed angry readers not in the
direction of the
AP itself, but toward their local newspaper clients. Why? Because newspapers are
more
responsive to complaints filed by nearby readers, and because the newspapers pay
the
AP’s bills as newswire customers.
The riddle, though, was how to help readers contact hundreds of individual
newspapers
nationwide. “It’s like trying to wrestle an octopus,” says Jane Hamsher, founder
of FDL. The
solution centered on customizing a software tool that allowed online activists
to
effortlessly contact their local daily. The tool FDL modified was created by the
online
communications firm Blue State Digital. Readers simply entered their ZIP code
into an on-
screen box. The next screen displayed the local newspaper (or newspapers) in
their region
to be contacted and asked readers to enter their name and other personal
information to
be sent to the newspaper. The screen provided readers with pre-approved text
(i.e., “I
hope that in the future we can expect reporting that focuses on the candidate’s
positions
rather than trying to call into question how much they love the country they
tirelessly
serve.”)”
I promised myself I wouldn’t come to Big Pink tonight because i’m not getting much of anything else done, but here I am. I’m addicted. What should I do?
TPS, Joe,
thanks for the tips. i will check them tomorrow. Today was a rough one and must lie down but I’m interested in pursuing the brazile effect on Florida and michigan and her role in devising these excessive sanctions.
Night all.
an obamabot may have done something like that…..they are obviously very gullible….
I was so upset with NPR I had to come here and ventilate. I love you guys.
Wow. this is amazing. We have to try this. It’s a way to find local papers and send letters to editor immediately and en masse. the technology is on Firedoglake, apparently.
Here is a link to the article;
www. mediamatters.org/columns/200803040004?f=h_column and an excerpt follows:
How do we do this? What blog on Hillary’s side has the capability and $$$ to
do this?
Here is an excerpt:
“But nearly 15,000 letters sent in just a matter of days in response to a single
news wire
article? That’s something else entirely and could mark the dawn of a new era in
progressive media activism. The phenomenon has received very little mainstream
media
attention (journalists probably don’t want to encourage this sort of thing), but
make no
mistake: It was a very big deal…..
What prompted the organized outpouring of angst last week against the AP was
when the
website Firedoglake took action, embraced a new organizing tool, tapped into a
wellspring of enthusiasm for Obama, and pointed angry readers not in the
direction of the
AP itself, but toward their local newspaper clients. Why? Because newspapers are
more
responsive to complaints filed by nearby readers, and because the newspapers pay
the
AP’s bills as newswire customers.
The riddle, though, was how to help readers contact hundreds of individual
newspapers
nationwide. “It’s like trying to wrestle an octopus,” says Jane Hamsher, founder
of FDL. The
solution centered on customizing a software tool that allowed online activists
to
effortlessly contact their local daily. The tool FDL modified was created by the
online
communications firm Blue State Digital. Readers simply entered their ZIP code
into an on-
screen box. The next screen displayed the local newspaper (or newspapers) in
their region
to be contacted and asked readers to enter their name and other personal
information to
be sent to the newspaper. The screen provided readers with pre-approved text
(i.e., “I
hope that in the future we can expect reporting that focuses on the candidate’s
positions
rather than trying to call into question how much they love the country they
tirelessly
serve.”)”
linfar: there is a scene in the Howard Hawkes western El Dorado where the experienced gun hand (John Wayne) tells his young partner that he likes to have the other guy mad at him because a good gunfighter cannot allow himself to get mad because then he is not so good.
Dont you think that is precisely what is going on now in the Obama camp. First, there is his open declaration to go negative which gives him nowhere to hide and makes him the problem.
Second, if the campaign is calling Hillary supporters in Ohio Archie Bunkers, not only does the shoe not fit (since Bunker would not support a woman) but this reinforces the elitist perception that people have of him.
Third, the improvident statement of his foreign policy advisor invites scrutiny of the other foolish things she has said which can now be imputed to him.
signing off you all. I agree with Emmy. this place is addictive
YAY!! With 100% of the precincts reporting, we win the Texas Primaries 51%-47%, more than 100,000 votes. I think Texas is officially into play. Hillary won Texas only winning 1 out of the 4 largest metropolitan areas (mainly due to the large AA population). When she is the nominee, she will definitely have the backing of the AA community.
One more,
Since Carville and begala were thrown off the talk show circuit coz BO complained they’re too partisan, why is Brazille allowed on Blitzer, Tweetie and all the rest? She is CLEARLY in the tank with BO. I’m gonna work on that tomorrow, too.
Any thoughts would be welcome.
Oh, how great of Hamsher to the mat for BO.
Guys, Yahoo headline is that discredited story about Hillary and NAFTA. WTF?
mj, just relax! Don’t get upset about every headline out there.
Does anyone have Jane Hamshers email address?
But that story has been discredited.
Lies have a life of their own, mj. This NAFTA lie needs to be squelched thoroughly, but how?
It won’t go anywhere. Everyone is trying to cover themselves in the gov
LOL…MJ, you’re gonna have a stroke before this is all over.
I am going to reminise about this past Tuesday. I loved when Hillary was giving her victory speech and she said her website address and the whole crowd said it right along with her. I thought that was great.
“They are the most crooked, you know, lying group I’ve ever seen, it’s scary.”
guess who?
Caroline, you know, I was thinking just today that I love her in red. I hope she burned that butt ugly yellow jacket, though. Oy…that color doesn’t even look good on bumble bees.
well bambi is supposed to be doing a doozy ad on Hillary in Mississippi using Hillary’s own words. Don’t know what it is but its supposed to be damaging to her.
that is why Hillary has not now hit his campaign with the stuff that he is letting his advisors say about Hillary…look what they did to bill c and shaheen. tit for tat
bambi can’t bloody us up without us going toe to toe. we have to fight back agressively and i think hillary supporters want that powderbitch called out. I do.
“They are the most crooked, you know, lying group I’ve ever seen, it’s scary.”
Us? LOL! Yay…we’re monsters!!
lol, I have to say red is great
Hillary Clinton speaks at a rally in Canton, Mississippi on cnn live now!
Jake has the “monster” story up now…
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-foreign-p.html
Why is there so much hate for Hillary on dailykos?? It’s borderline psychotic.
I love that Jake quotes Obambi about firing his staff in particular situations and openly wonders if Powers should be fired. LMAO
Idunn, as a guy here is my two cents worth on the yellow jacket. I thought it looked great on her. Made her look younger.
We need to get this tool. How do we get access to it?
I heard his new ad is about Ken Starr and the 90’s………he better think twice about this strategy………can HRC respond with an ad on Rezko, or maybe NAFTA-Gate, or maybe Aiuci, or maybe the Weather Underground, or maybe his Illinois senate career, or maybe an ad about his inexperience on foreign policy, or him skipping the Mississippi JJ Dinner, the Georgia JJ Dinner, and the BSOTU in Louisiana, all AA events.
Obama Foreign Policy Adviser Calls Clinton a ‘Monster’
March 06, 2008 9:49 PM
Sen. Barack Obaman, D-Ill., may be reluctant to throw a punch at Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y. — but at least one adviser doesn’t appear to be, at least when she thinks she’s off the record.
Samantha Power, the executive director and founder of the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy at Harvard, is touring Europe to promote a book, and she gave an interview with The Scotsman, which quotes her saying of Clinton, “We f***** up in Ohio. In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win. She is a monster, too — that is off the record — she is stooping to anything.”
Power said, “you just look at her and think: ergh. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive.”
The newspaper notes that “If a conversation is to be off the record, that agreement is usually thrashed out before the interview begins. Sometimes, public figures say something and then attempt to retract it by insisting it was ‘off the record’ after the event. But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published…
“In this instance, Samantha Power was promoting her book and it was established in advance that the interview was on the record.”
In December, Obama said he had “been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time.”
Would this count? Should Power be fired by the Obama standard?
- jpt
Why is there so much hate for Hillary on dailykos?? It’s borderline psychotic.
Because everyone who posts there has a bad case of pubescent acne and can’t get laid.
jr, why does a dog bark at the sun? It is the same kind of thing at DailyKooks.
Idunn, as a guy here is my two cents worth on the yellow jacket.
Uh huh…and are you a GAY guy? Because if not, your fashion sense is highly suspect.
I mean, they complained about the 3 a.m. phone call when it made no mention of Sen. Obama or of his inability to answer the phone call. He chose to respond.
I like yellow, but not in the shade of her coat and not paired with black. But a ligher yellow paired with blues, thumbs up!
why does a dog bark at the sun?
Who’s dog barks at the sun, fer chrissake?? TPS, are you havning some kind of meltdown? LOL!
Ugh…the only thing that should wear THAT color of yellow is fucking frenches mustard.
jr Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 9:57 pm
I mean, they complained about the 3 a.m. phone call when it made no mention of Sen. Obama or of his inability to answer the phone call. He chose to respond.
Exactly Jr. It was really an ad about her. It talks about her relationships with leaders around the world and her knowledge of the military.
Idunn, well I am not a gay guy (not that there is anything wrong with that), but as a hetero guy I did like that yellow jacket. I think it looks cool on her. I really do.
I suggest everyone link to the Jake Tapper Political Punch article in their other excursions into the great wide internet unknown.
Or the shit you find inside of steamed crabs.
::shudder::
I dislike her Sunday yellow and also the brown.
on hot days, stray dogs do that Idunn. Hillary is the sun and DailyKooks is, well, you get the drift.
I did like that yellow jacket
yellowjacket.
LMAO!
She is a monster, too
How can he take a 3:00am phone call when he’s afraid of monsters? Maybe we should buy him a nightlight.
I’m on CNN. Where do I find the feed?
I love the yellow jacket!
TPS, do you know anything about Wyoming?
Oh boy, we have some tough dress critics here, LOL!
on hot days, stray dogs do that Idunn.
ONLY stray dogs? And ONLY on hot days?
Oh my sides…ya’ll a freaking killing me tonight.
I love her in yellow and brown. So where is the feed?
MORE ARGUMENTS AGAINST REVOTES AND CAUCUSES:
I’m already against revotes in FL/MI.
But here are some *tasty* arguments against caucuses, here/now, and forever:
* Our troops overseas (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.) CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
* People in hospitals, confined to homes, etc. CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
* College studentnts away from home CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
* People working “inconvenient hours” CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN A CAUSUS
etc… (please come up with more, to fill in the blanks. Then, we’ll put that in more formal position papers to provide to HRC’s campaign, and to the fuckhead in MSM
Thanks Emmy for standing up for me here.
Tiny Dancer,
“We had an eco-terrorist attack in WA this week”
And I smelled a rat right off the bat. ELF always takes credit on the internet and even issues video releases to the media, not spray-paint “ELF” on an old bedsheet. They’re very high-tech, not primitive.
With all the homebuilders and real estate developers going under, my first thought was somebody burned down some $2 million dollar homes they weren’t going to be able to sell.
Is hill still on? I’d like to see it but can’t find the feed.
If anyone wants a little humor break, here’s an SNL skit with Monica Lewinsky testifying in Congress.
They spliced Molly Shannon with cuts to actual members of Congress and there’s a bunch of people relevant to this election. Plus, Hillary!
video.aol.com/partner/hulu/saturday-night-live-monica-lewinsky-in-congress/RsM6kboO7ML7GzTAibYsw_6S33__XQ_Z
Now if I could find the video of Monica/Bill/Saddam on party phone. “Monica, you never call me anymore!”
my favorites are the black, red, blue with yellow, yellow jacket, brown
LOL
lol a nightlight lmao
meiyingsu, Wyoming will be tough for Hillary because it is a caucus.
in that order of preference…..like she cares
TPS, do you know anything about Wyoming?
It’s where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain.
No wait…that’s Oklahoma. I dunno shit about Wyoming, I guess.
Anyone know if she is stillon or where I can find the feed?
I just don’t like Hill in brown, everything else is a-ok for me, and I know about colors
linfar
If I remember correctly, hillary still has a small metal teapot presented to her by the famous woman who won the Nobel PP (maybe shared it) for the work done to try and end the “troubles.”
The Irish women who had become a force of nature for peace wanted to recognize Hillary’s concern and contribution. She used the words “I cherish it.” It was the actual teapot that they used at those meetings. And yes, Hillary participated in many of those kitchen table planning/negociating/finding common ground get togethers.
I probably don’t have all the facts, or have them all correctly…but the gist is here. I’m sure the facts are on the net somewhere.
I do remember she teared up a bit when she was telling the story and showing off her pot. I just out and out bawled.
Sorry, mj, don’t know.
She was still on a second ago, but I got off cause CNN’s feed rarely works right on my computer
I favorite is red, especially the one she wore on Tuesday. She was just sparkling, her hair was perfect. I like her in her dark blue too. I want to see her wearing hot pink.
Obama’s doing an ad about Starr and the ’90s? LOL, ancient history, dude.
Also, Samantha Power has to be one of the dumbest people alive. Even if you’re THINKING these things, why in hell would you ever say them to a journalist, on or off the record?
I like her best in light pink.
“Make it work.”
Paula, Obama seems to have a coterie of academically smary but otherwise tone deaf advisors.
Obama’s doing an ad about Starr and the ’90s? LOL, ancient history, dude.
Time for Obama to join the 21st century….talk about behind the times.
Obama’s doing an ad about Starr and the ’90s?
Is he such a fucktard that he doesn’t even realize how the hell that’s gonna go over with Democrats??!!
Allright, allright, Idunn, caroline, TD, hawk, mj, I take my fashion critique back, and I won’t venture in that direction again (sheesh).
Hillary gave a good speech in MS on cnn live. Glad I caught it.
Watch out Obama, Ken Starr has a way of making Clinton approval ratings skyrocket!
TPS: I like the yellow jacket too, just not as much as the red
TPS, when I met my hubby he was wearing yellow shoes. YELLOW SHOES.
He still to this day asks me if I know where those butt ugly things went to.
Thanks dedfg, feel a little better now.
I always wonder where people’s log in names come from. Dedfg, yours really bugs me.
…but I have to say if I saw yellow shoes….well, I might have nightmares about that color too. LOL
Idunn, that I will not wear. I agree that is a stretch. Maybe they were sneakers?
call me ded then
I always wonder where people’s log in names come from. Dedfg, yours really bugs me.
a passive aggressive statement?
mine comes by the first letters of my first, middle, and last names. That is it.
dedfg, Idunn is just kidding.
Maybe they were sneakers?
No, his sneakers are always way cute…Vans, with pirates, or pink playboy bunnies, or flying saucers. I let him keep those.
The yellow ones were….ugh…ankle boots.
dedfg, Idunn is just kidding.
oh, I don’t think so
a passive aggressive statement?
LOL…no no…it’s like when you see those liscence plates, and you can’t figure them out. It just bugs me that I can’t figure out what your names stands for. That’s all.
sure
LOL…so what DOES it stand for?
I have yellow heels. I love them. But ankle boots…no.
A few Hillary Accomplishments in Foreign Relations
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/26/america/clinton.php
As first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton jawboned the president of Uzbekistan to leave his car and shake hands with people. She argued with the Czech prime minister about democracy. She cajoled Catholic and Protestant women to talk to one another in Northern Ireland. She traveled to 79 countries in total, little of it leisure; one meeting with mutilated Rwandan refugees so unsettled her that she threw up afterward.
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Took on the Taliban 8 year before Bush
“The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan. ”
http://www.firstladies.org/biographies/f irstladies.aspx?biography=43
hi all!!! ive missed eveyone since our “celebration” tues night/ wed morning! i’m totally outta the media loop as far as whats going on… ive been swamped at the boutique with all of our sping fashions that have come in the last few days… working till early am and have been too dead when i get home to do more than have some vino… AND last night was the project runway finale, so i didnt even bother with the poli news… just living on the high of the three wins… hope the news is still positive…???? hoping??? please tell me the media hasnt turned on us????
nice try…
But ankle boots…no.
Well, GUY ankle boots…shoe boots…I don’t know what the hell ya call them. But damn they were ugly.
Diva!! Hi!
Project runway! whoop!
I’m going to miss that show.
Hi Diva. We have to get Samantha Power fired.
I’m going to miss that show.
Cheer up…Top Chef starts Wednesday.
Media summary : Ohioans are racist, stupid, obsessed; Hillary is a monster; and Obama jumped in his Delorian and activated the flux capictor to the 90s to sling some mud at Hillary.
@idunn…. just read the last coupla posts…you guys talking abt christians shoes on the runway last night? who is samantha power????
Watch Christian show up on Top Chef.
I did the “caucus persuasion” script today into Wyoming and most of my people slammed the phone down before I could even get a word out. Something is hinky in Wyoming. Are they getting any polling out of there. Something feels weird and I was so enthused since my county I worked so hard in Texas really did what they said they’d do on the phone to me.
I wish there was a real tip line that we could send suggestions to her team. I know I have personal knowledge of Wva … whisperings going on, etc and I need to pass those along to be sure they get to them. “contact us” isn’t reassuring and I’ll be honest her team in National HQ does not impress me.
Anyone who has a way to reach the team besides Admin here .. I already sent there.. say so and ask adm for my email addy. We need to talk.
you guys talking abt christians shoes on the runway last night?
No, the shoes my husband was wearing when I met him.
who is samantha power????
HWSNBN’s foreign policy advisor. She called Hillary a monster, so you and I have to get her fired tomorrow.
All caught up now?
dot48, maybe most of them are republican.
dot, you can call the press office and ask to speak to someone other than the five year old who answers the phone there
HWSNBN’s foreign policy advisor. She called Hillary a monster, so you and I have to get her fired tomorrow.
I WANNA HELP!!!!
also, loved the DeLorian analogy
priceless
And you missed all the fun with Fl/Mi and the almost caucus that wasn’t so we’re back to square one and Sharpton threatening to demonstrate again
@tiny: oh pleez! how could the ohioans be racist… the friggin kept the polls open fo barry’s cherrypicjked districts and he still lost??? hillary’s a monster… is that new news to them? theve been saying that for 16 yrs… 90’s mudd??? maybe they should call ken starr??? that rove payrolled @&*$^$’er couldnt come up with sh*t even with $70M, so what are they gonna find now?? i’m not worried…ppl were over whitewater before they released the findings…. F ‘EM!
I WANNA HELP!!!!
Okay, you come up with the idea, we’ll do the footwork.
We need to collect a list of threats
Sharpton
Wilder
Brazile
etc
and publicize them
idunn…have poster at another board who goes by mmddssff …I think he/she says they used a bunch of vowels. I’m with you, I always wonder about user names
I started a thread on that forum about what is behind your user name? It was quite popular.
maybe they should call ken starr???
They don’t have to. Their just gonna do a Ken Starr attack ad.
(I can’t even say that with a straight face! HWSNBN is such a moron! LOL!)
Mine is because I was watching Friends and Phoebe was doing her hold me close young Tony Danza thing and then I decided to go with that, but I’m a girl, so I used the actual words. And I’m tiny and I dance, so it fits.
why would we be calling republicans in Wyoming to remind them to friggin caucus. I surely to god hope our list is better than that! I wanna call democrats dammit
@idunn: i’m IN! i have the whole day free tomorrow! lets get the b*tch! i thought sara rice would be the one that would call hillary names…. who knew? sam powers? she’s on my list… she betta watch out!
@tiny: i talked to my mom tonite in fl… she filled me in a little … apparently crist says they wanna do a re-do? it’ll be an open or closed primary? when i lived in fl i think it was open down there…
I think there’s 2 Democrats total I Wyoming?
I’m a huge Norse Mythology freak…and Idunn is my favorite norse goddess.
::thinking::
How the hell can we get Sammy fired? Hmmmm….
::thinking::
Has anyone seen that negative ad in MS about Hillary?
OK IDunn
I’ll add that to the list of contacting all the papers in PA and WY with Rezko/natl security stuff
developing the threat list from DNC Official SD’s and others
Phone Banking
Lobbying for no Florida REvote
and painting an insert for a bathroom window with a giant pink flamingo
No Birdgal. What is it?
and yes, the National Headquarters representative has not received high marks from me. anyone with power..ask them to get someone better. I’m not so sure she has a grasp on what is at stake here..she laughs a lot and says, yeah, I’ll pass it along .. nonchalant like.
Crist was open to a re-do, but then he said seat the delegates as is. They ALMOST authorized a caucus in Michigan (or a firehouse primary?) but 1. Hillary smacked them down and said no caucus and 2. they couldn’t afford it. It was a very bi-polar day in Mi/FL land.
I want to go to your boutique! I need to do some fun spring/summer shopping. I’m getting my hair diiid tomorrow, maybe I’ll go afterwards when I feel all purty.
Here’s a quote from Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm of Michigan:
“If there is a redo, it has to be inclusive,” she said. “Whatever it is would have to be a primary-like election.”
and the article goes on to say:
“Michigan officials did not estimate the cost of a new election, but party leaders involved in negotiating a solution said that a full statewide election, as opposed to a caucus, could cost as much as $10 million.”
Here’s an idea (and my guess it will never get done because it makes too much sense), but why not just seat the Florida delegates as per the original vote since both parties played under the same rules, and then have the Hillary, the DNC and bambi’s each pay for 1/3 of a re-do primary in Michigan. Cost to each party involved would be around 3.33 million.
Hillary could even have a special on-line fund-raising event to help pay for her 1/3.
Here’s the link to the full story:
w w w.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/us/politics/07delegates.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
Does anyone have the text from the BO campaign impugning OH voters?
Idunn: someone posted about a negative/damaging ad about Hillary in MS. I haven’t seen it. Just checking to see, if anyone had seen it.
re: my username… divabunny is the name of one of my yorkies…. her name was gonna be bunny, but one of hubby’s names for me was diva… then we picked bunny up from the airport and she turned into a bigger diva than ME, so now she is the diva of the house… hence the birth of “divabunny”!
btw… are we REALLT worried abt ken starr attack ads???? REALLY? the clintons have been vetted like no one else in the history of politics. PLEASE do not underestimate them. serioulsy! what other poli family has had to deal with secret mysterious deaths of their friends??? and this shit has been talked abt for almost 20 years. wtf is everyone woried abt????
@idunn: that is LOVE my friend if hubby was wearing heel booties! i bet he looked fierce and you couldnt resist1
Why the hell should HRC supporters pay for a do-over in Michigan?? Nobody forced Bambi to take his name off the damned ballot!
Uh uh…nonononono. I’m NOT paying for that shit.
dot, email ADMIN right away about this west v rumor. Did you get any hill people in your WY calls?
hawk,
brown was a fashionable color during the winter season.
I don’t think Ken starr has anything to do with the ad. I think someone was joking. there’s a new headline that idiot child man is trying to link hill’s fp with McCains, so maybe it has something to do with that.
i read something abt neg ads in MS abt something hrc said a long time ago bc they had never elected a female to high office in that state… so what? if they havent. they havent. she’s calling it like she sees it. whats the scandal in that???????????
that is LOVE my friend if hubby was wearing heel booties! i bet he looked fierce and you couldnt resist
Not exactly. I’m an earth mother, hippy type…he was a punk rocker. But deep down, he must have wanted to be a back to the earth granola boy, cause he is one now. The only shoes he owns now are either work boots or hiking boots. Go figure.
Divabunny: Apparently, Obama is bringing up the past garbage to throw at her. I hope, it backfires on him. People do not like negative campaigning. A previous poster said it was in her own words. He is zeroxing again. Remember the ad, where Obama states, during the debate, that he busy campaigning, and this why the subcommittee never had a meeting. Sounds like he is copying again.
BTW, my user name is easy, I like birds.
Idunn:
Personally I would help foot the bill for Hillary is she decided to go that route. Of course it’s not an ideal solution, but I just don’t think Michigan will have it’s delegates seated under the current circumstances since Hillary was the only one of the 2 on the ballot. I understand that bambi pulled his name off the ballot JUST TO MAKE SURE it would have that exact effect, but that’s where we are at today.
birdgal, BHO’s strategy is to recruit more republicans to the primary.
Then Bambi should have to pay for the do-over.
Whiny son of a bitch.
Diva…the quote you are speaking of is the one. Hil later came out and apologized for it sounding derogatory towards Miss. but some staffer dug it up and there ya go…instant smear ad
some bot staffer
Levon – great idea.
Basil9 – excellent project plans for tomorrow – you go!
Everyone – got home from work and checking in to see what I missed since the new post.
This place is addictive…. thank God for this place! Let me say, thanks to all of you!
By the way, I think that if WOMEN left the Democratic party, it might have a more devastating effect on the future of the party than anyone else seceeded. (No offense to our brother Hillfriends in this community.) But, if Bambi and Dean engineered these mulligans for BO and in so doing, snatch defeat from the jaws of victory (again), it may be time to ressurect the National Woman’s Party. We could scarcely do a worse job. Backwards and in high heels, y’all!
Anyone interested? Sign me up:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Woman’s_Party
divabunny:
You’re right about the content of the Mississippi ad… it has to do with a comment Hillary made about Mississippi never electing a woman to any high office (or something to that effect). Hillary has since apologized for that remark. They discussed that ad on Hannity and Colmes this evening on Fox.
Boy, Bambi really doesn’t know how to play dirty, does he? Hell, I could come up with a whomper stomper attack ad on mother theresa if I had to.
That’s about women voting in women. Duh. MS is a repub state. They are seriously using that in an ad?
http://www.wyomingalmanac.com/
I don’t think we have a prayer. Seems a protest thing against the first adm.
Per Jake Tapper:
In December, Obama said he had “been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time.”
Are you all serious? That’s the ad?
okay… so he’s gonna try to throw the kitchen cabinets… theyre old old cabinets… we’ve all seen em… theres nothing new there… no one will be impressed… old news is boring..no one cared before… all they cared abt was the bj and the blue dress… the msm and the american public is de-sensitized to the word “whitewater”…. every single person knows that is old news…if there was something there, hrc woulda never been elected to senator!
all she has to say is “special counsel that was appointed by MY HUSBAND spent 70M of YOUR money and didnt find anything! they are reaching and there is nothing there!” then she says REZCO!!!!!!!!!!
@idunn: i cant believe you guys havent moved to a’ville!!! we are the granola capitol!!!
A reminder on pledge delegates
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html
“Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or on the first ballot,” a recent DNC memo states. “A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required.”
meiyingsu Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
If he keeps appealing to the Republicans, he won’t have any Democratic voters. Way to go, degrade the woman to appeal to conservative men. He’ll do anything to win. Wait, I’ve heard that line before. Didn’t he say that about HRC in SC? The guy is slime.
whats the media doing? has tweety turned on us again?
Informed In Illinois:
Thanks bro (or sis??) ! I think it makes a lot of sense too. The other thing I saw that makes some sense is giving Hillary the delegates she earned in the original Michigan vote, and giving bambi the uncommitted delegates from Michigan.
That final vote was something like 55% (Hillary) – 44 (uncommitted), so I think Hillary would agree to that.
The uncommitted was basically votes for Edwards, Richardson, Biden(?), bambi and whoever else took their name off the ballot, so bambi’s total portion of that would have been maybe 30 % or so, so he could see that as favorable outcome as well.
no to whoever asking about Wyoming. after reading above almanac I sense a bit of hatred for clinton there. lost cause in wy.
btw… do you guys remember the other night when lifar put her diary on mydd and it got deleted? remember when i posted and suggested that she contact jon at http://www.savagepolitics.com and ask him if she could post it there as a guest commentator? well….. go take a look! linfar’s “follow the money” is posted on jon’s site! yippeee! its good to have friends!
i havent seen her on here since, so it didnt know, but when i logged into jon’s site… sure enough! there was linfar!
Hi Everyone!! Re: Wyoming
My roommate in college was from Jackson Hole, WY and she was CRAZY- and very very racist- incredibly racist towards African-Americans. She was also uptight, and had conspiracy theory thoughts going on in her head all the time… and to tell you the truth, I think that’s how a lot of people in WY are! I think it’s because they’re all so isolated there.
There is a HUGE angle on this Powers mess. She gave insulted, impugned a former first lady, a respected US Senator and a presidential candidate to a FOREIGN newspaper. OMG
@levon: MI was 50 HRC and 40 uncomitted… he and edwards took their names of on purpose bc they knew they would lose there…is anyone talking abt that????
Katharine, but it looks like BHO will win big in Wyoming.
dot48 Says:
March 6th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
no to whoever asking about Wyoming. after reading above almanac I sense a bit of hatred for clinton there. lost cause in wy.
Read some of the almanac, they hate the Clintons. A lot of hostility there.
Meiyingsu- I know, which is funny to me, I think it’s just because it’s a caucus and most people probably wouldn’t even bother going to a caucus anyway!
Oh and as much as WY people don’t like African-Americans I think they hate women even more! So there you go, WY is a crazy state… it’ll go to McCain later on anyway.
divabunny:
>he and edwards took their names of on purpose bc they knew they would lose there…is anyone talking >abt that??
read my first post, I mention that every time I bring this subject up
The final number for MI were 55/40, I just double-checked. I still think there’s a chance bambi would take the 40 and run.
Ben Smith on Politico has the “monster” story, as does Fox. Sorry I have no links. Read it on TM.
Re Wyoming, I’ll repeat an idea from yesterday – Send Jack Nicholson and Ted Danson door-to-door in Jackson Hole and some other areas filled with rugged individuals – he has property there, doesn’t he?
Lots of people seem to forget they’re talking about a former first lady here. Would we talk of Eleanore Roosevelt, Jackie Kennedy or Nancy Reagan that way?
Guys,
I have to repost this….
this is the angle that will incense LARGE numbers of people…
There is a HUGE angle on this Powers mess. She gave insulted, impugned a former first lady, a respected US Senator and a presidential candidate to a FOREIGN newspaper. OMG
~ ~what a difference a day makes~~
read the whole story
http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/03/dnc_voting_righ_2.phpDNC Voting Rights
Institute Chair Donna Brazile Testifies On Protecting the Right to Vote from Intimidation
March 7, 2007
On the anniversary of “Bloody Sunday” commemorating the civil and voting rights march over the Edmund Pettus Bridge in which demonstrators were assaulted by state troopers, Democratic National Committee Voting Rights Institute Chair Donna Brazile testified before the House Judiciary Committee on the need to protect the right to vote from acts of intimidation, harassment, fraud and abuse. The hearing was held on a bill introduced by Democrats entitled the “Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2007″, which would define deceptive election practices and increase the criminal penalties for those who attempt to practice voter fraud and intimidation.
Just last year, Congress renewed the historic Fannie Lou Hamer, Rosa Parks, and Coretta Scott King Voting Rights Act of 1965 which ensured that voters could exercise their rights free from intimidation and harassment. But recent elections have shown that the right to vote remains vulnerable because of those who target poor communities, minorities, seniors and young people. The practice of disenfranchising Americans has become more sophisticated including phone jamming operations, misleading mailers, outright intimidation by using poll watchers and lack of resources to process voter registration forms thereby forcing Americans to cast provisional ballots.
In her testimony, Brazile pointed out that, “The rise in voter harassment and voter intimidation is a direct result of some political operatives – often with the blessing of their political leaders trying to gain an electoral advantage at the ballot box. This practice of discouraging people from voting, from schemes that misinform or challenge the electoral status of eligible citizens to participate, should be outlawed in this nation.”
Brazile called on the United States to lead the way, saying that, “The United States of America must lead by example. While the US encourages other nations to adopt broad democratic principles and reform, we need to make a basic policy decision that it is in the best interest of our democratic form of government to encourage all eligible citizens to register and vote.”
Finally, Brazile called on Congress, with bipartisan support from Republicans and the Bush Administration, to pass critical legislation that would work to remove impediments to the ballot box.
For a full copy of Donna Brazile’s testimony click here.
white women will flock to the polls in droves now that obama has aired that advertisement.
people used to say nasty things about Eleanor Roosevelt and Nancy Reagan.
Yes, great angle, Ann! The surrogates are really getting nasty out there right now. And BO out there trying to say he’s going to try not to go negative. What a bunch of crap!
the wyo key-are folks for clinton being trained and training folsk in wyo on how to caucus? sithis caucus dem only? in ms is the priamry closed? who is running their ms operation?
again, for the record:
In her testimony, Brazile pointed out that, “The rise in voter harassment and voter intimidation is a direct result of some political operatives – often with the blessing of their political leaders trying to gain an electoral advantage at the ballot box. This practice of discouraging people from voting, from schemes that misinform or challenge the electoral status of eligible citizens to participate, should be outlawed in this nation.”
Texan, it probably won’t matter. Dem’s in deep redstates who bother to caucus tend to be the most liberal.
In Wyoming or any caucus state, you just have to have more people from your team show up to CAUCUS than the other team. Turnout is ridiculously low – So, for example, if you can round up only 10,000 HRC supporters state-wide, but only 20,000 people total care to caucus, you can win it. It doesn’t matter if it reflects the will of the electorate or not – in fact, I would bet it usually doesn’t. It reflects the will of those who are best at organizing those who have an interest in one outcome over another.
BHO’s people gamed the system well – motivating their own and the Republican’s zealots. Ordinary citizens like myself (even those who pay attention to politics) didn’t realize that there were so many states using caucuses in lieu of primaries – or that BHO had worked them to his advantage – until we were well under way.
Spacegirl: DB sounds like a hypocrite. Her guy’s campaign is using many of those techniques to intimidate the voters for the opposition. And, that is not even talking about MI and FL.
watching sharpton on oreilly… empty threats… am i the only one that watched the snl cartoon???? STOP THE MADNESS PEOPLE!!! the more sharpton speaks out on behalf of barry, the more it helps us!!! AAs even realize that he hurts their cause WAY MORE than it helps them! he is a JOKE! let him threaten to march and riot… sharpton perpetuates the stereotype that AAs are trying to shed!
heading to bed gang
have to think about the blog I am going to be compelled to write in reference to D. Brazile hypocracy
btw… i sent this to admin, but they didnt see fit to post… whatevs! here is a funny video…
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAL5KtjC90
D Brazile
Just Words?
very funny humorous video… take a look… NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAL5KtjC90
Divabunny: I saw that SNL cartoon. It is soooo true! I wonder, if Sharpton saw it?
g’nite space… you gonna be here in the morning? we hafta get someone fired! btw… i’m sending you the response email from the ohio reporter i emailed re: the nafta story… start at the bottom and read up…
mj:
here’s the link regarding the Mississippi ad:
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/06/obama-radio-ad-targets-clinton%e2%80%99s-mississippi-comments/
LoL, I love Chappelle. Black Tony Blair…
@levon… i read what you wrote abt bambi taking his name off by choice. been outta the loop… is the media talking abt this?
OK….and thanks for the laugh @ Chappelle
we’ll connect in the morning and get that woman on the next train back to yale to report o women’s volleyball again
it may save america
Post on TalkLeft about Obama decrying Samantha Power’s statments.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/6/23192/98631
Not enough, yo.
divabunny:
nah, i think i read that online somewhere a few weeks ago. besides you should know better than to think MSM would cover this. they are too busy trying to put their collective heads EVER FURTHER up their backsides.
SpacegirlArt:
You’re funny. I see you always declaring you are going to bed… then a few minutes later I see another post… and a few minutes later another post….
I know how you feel though, I do the samething all the time.
@levon… i’m with you as far as the msm… but i would think that someone would speak abt the fact that obama and edwards removed their names as a strategical move.
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.
Statement from Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: Sen. Obama decries such characterizations, which have no place in this campaign.
And no one apologizes to Ohio.
divabunny: the press won’t talk about obama and edwards removing their names as a strategic move, because that would lend more credence to Clinton. And they don’t want to give her an inch. It is such a sham.
And Samantha Powers is not fired. New politics, not.
@birdgal: then it is up to US to get the story out… does anyone have a link where barry said he would not condone that kind of behavior? i am free tomorrow so i can sent this stuff to everyone in the media in the upcoming races!
What the f**k??
Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired.
You just said the following about Hillary. We f***** up in Ohio,” she admitted. “In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio’s the only place they can win.
“She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,” Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.
Unless the definition of monster has changed within the past 24 hours, I don’t see how one could call somebody a monster, but say they admire her public service and leadership.
WHere did you all see the bad BO ad in Mississippi that you referenced above?
And, has anyone found a link to the SNL TV Funhouse segment from SNL with BO, Al and Jesse? I searched youtube to no avail.
The clinton campaign needs to spread this around like a wildfire. Hopefully somebody is on.
Diva Jake Tapper has it quoted at
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/
In December, Obama said he had “been very clear to my campaign. I do not want to see research that is involved in trying to tear people down personally. If I find out that somebody is doing that, they will be fired. And I have been absolutely crystal clear about this, and I have been clear about this for a very long time.”
It’s quite the harsh quote too, shouldn’t Obama himself come out against it instead of sending out a spokesman?
Divabunny: I am off tomorrow, not feeling well, so I can help in the a.m. I’m on the west coast, so there is a bit of a time difference.
from Tiny Dancer:
talkleft.com/story/2008/3/6/23192/98631
And didn’t Donna Brazille issue veiled threats the other day about campaigns getting personal? Or I mean about Hillary’s campaign getting personal and Dean having to step in?
I’m posting a lot tonight, oh self. Maybe I should get laid.
Informed In Illinois:
I saw the link at realclearpolitics.com. Left-hand margin about 1/2 way down the page, the link is titled: “Obama Targets Clinton in MS”.
puerto rico says yes to a primary
demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/breaking-puerto-rico-switches-to.html
@tiny: thank you for the link…
@informed… can you plz post a link to the statement you quoted so that i can use that in my emails to media in the states in upcoming races and also to send to msm outlets tomorrow? its just more credible to have links when emailing and asking/demanding them to cover.
TinyDancer:
then get your butt to Hawaii
From Texan’s link
The rationale? There’s no way we could handle more than a few tens of thousands of voters in eight district caucuses, while we can handle a million voters (at least 500 voters between 8am and 3 pm per polling place in each of 1,800+ barrios) in a primary.
So, Puerto Rico can figure this out and no one else can? Awesome. But yay PR!
Looks like Powers has issued a statement and the Obama campaign, can you guess what they said? Of course, they were just “misunderstood” is basically what it comes down to? Sounds familiar eh?
UPDATE: Statement from Samantha Power: These comments do not reflect my feelings about Sen. Clinton, whose leadership and public service I have long admired. I should not have made these comments and I deeply regret them. It is wrong for anyone to pursue this campaign in such negative and personal terms. I apologize to Sen. Clinton and to Sen. Obama, who has made very clear that these kinds of expressions should have no place in American politics.
Statement from Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: Sen. Obama decries such characterizations, which have no place in this campaign.
YES PUERTO RICO!! Why didn’t they move it up to April or May?? Puerto Rico is winner takes all right??
Good article here…
news.scotsman.com/uk/Experience-begins-to-show-as.3854393.jp
@sam powers… blah blah blah… i say we let it go…. if we make mtns outta molehills, then they will to. bottom line is that we have bigger fish to fry… the msm in the upcoming states need to know abt rezco…. they need to be reminded of naftagate…. nafta may not affect them, but his “politics as usual” stance needs to be reminded!
jr:
I don’t think that’s true about Puerto Rico being winner takes all. I read somewhere that was a misconception (weeks ago and don’t remember the link… maybe wikipedia?). As far as I understand it, it’s proportional like all others.
But now that you mention it, why can’t they change that aspect of their election too? If they can change from a caucus to a primary, why couldn’t they vote to be winner-takes all?
Actually power reflects Obambi and is very close to him. I imagine her words are pretty much his. Here is an excerpt of an article I read about her…
Miss Power is the self proclaimed “genocide chick”, who won the Pullitzer Prize for her reporting from Bosnia.
She plays basketball with George Clooney and is the inspiration for the latest David Hare play.
This auburn haired Irish journalist is a professor at Harvard, the founder of a human rights think tank and was cited by Men’s Vogue as one of the most beautiful women in the world.
She is also one of Mr Obama’s most trusted advisers on foreign policy.
The would-be President of the United States texts her with, “It’s Obama, call me” in the middle of the night. Sir Nigel Sheinwald, the British Ambassador to Washington has already called on her three times.
Miss Power met the Senator in 2005, when he called her to discuss her genocide book.
divabunny, it gives a great talking point when the Obama campaign acts sanctimonious about how Obama is running a clean campaign.
Samantha Powers is also very anti-Israel.
Sorry, Diva – but which link? (or topic)
I posted this on the previous thread. This is related to something that BO said during the SC primary:
taken from a blog comment on the SC article:
“We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate.” Barack Obama
He is not practicing, what he preaches. Just words, no action to support them.
Everyone, this is civil war. I got into an argument with my BOSS today about the primary. I will not back down, just like Hillary. Fuck it, I know where the bodies are buried:)
p.s. Stephanie Miller (closet dyke) of Airhead America insults/trashes our HRC on a daily basis. Please send her your love:
stephanie@stephaniemiller.com
@informed: was looking for the link to powers’ comment, but looks like she’s already made her apology. i say we let it go.
@tps: of course she is very anti israel… ALL of his foreign policy advisors are… brez, rice and powers… that speaks volumes to his foreign policy goals. unf at this point, most woud call this conspiracy bs…. just wait though… this will become more apparent in the upcoming debates.
divabunny, don’t also forget Robert O’Malley another anti-Israeli Obama advisor.
With all these anti-Israel advisers, it may not play out well, during a GE with McCain. He is the opposite.
divabunny:
Let Power’s comments go? You mean like bambi’s campaign has let Hillary’s comments go regarding Mississippi AFTER she apologized for that remark? It’s a bad thing for one dem to say to another, and I think it should be pushed HARD.
By the way, I’m not trying to disparage you. You’re taking the high road which is noble. I guess I’m just not in the same forgiving mood as you are right now
divabunny:
Just let Powers’ comment go? You mean like they let Hillary’s comment about Mississippi go AFTER she apologized for that? I think Powers’ wretched comments should be spread far and wide.
I’m not disparaging you, as you are taking the high road. I guess I’m just not in the forgiving mood you are in tonight
MSNBC should just be ashamed. Just watching some of the replay on Olbermann, I know why they are doing this (young Obama voters) but it is just plain disgusting.
Diva, the Power comment is really big in many ways. She also disparaged Ohio in addition to calling names and generally coming off as very callous. This woman is Obambi’s foreign relations guru….that has serious implications.
Maybe it’s just me but I am seeing more anti-Hillary comments out on websites today. By saying he is going to be more negative, Obama is giving permission to his already hostile natured supporters to go out and and spread all kinds of rumors and negative comments. I have personally seen that his website has groups dedicated to targeting polls online. It’s not a stretch to think that he has groups dedicated to putting out negative Hillary commentary where ever they can. It’s going to get ugly. As someone noted on TM tonight just look at the MyDD website. They had been fairly balanced over there but it’s been overtaken by Obamabots writing all kinds of anti-Hillary crap. This blatent negativity will backfire on Obama as it will once again make his followers look like they are cult members rather than partisans. Plus, these attempts to be negative are so transparent they will diminish Obama’s theme of “hope and unity”. They just make him look like a down and dirty typical politician IMO…
I personally can’t watch olbermann anymore. He’s treating Hillary almost as bad as he treats Bush. I stopped watching him sometime around the end of January. It wouldn’t surprise me if he comes up with one of his ’special comments’ with Hillary as the subject.
Here’s the SNL TV FUNHOUSE – with Jesse Jackson, Sharpton:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/index.shtml#mea=224714
@levon: i see your point, but what i’m saying is… powers is an advisor… the msm isnt going to make sh*t of it… we can spend our time doing more by making sure that the media in the upcoming races is covering his rezco shit ad his flip flops… thoughts???
oops – was just posting the SNL TV FUNHOUSE – this works better (add the www)
nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/index.shtml#mea=224714
I’m way too tired to even be trying to comment here this evening, but I will just say that admin, these are my sentiments exactly:
“Bring it on Barack. We dare you. We double dare you.”
He really doesn’t want to “go there” right now. Not with all of the crap that’s out there just waiting to hit the fan where he’s concerned. Oh yes, bring it on and let’s see who’s really ready.
Kaffeen and all: then let’s play CNN against MSNBC – there are more HRC supporters who are women 25-50 – key demographic for most advertisers. That means there would be one cable network for each news-obsesses constituency in today’s America: sane moderate progressives (that’s us, I hope), the koolaid drinkers, and hate-mongering right-wingers.
heloooo???? am i the only one that knws the history w/olberman and page six??? the post was kind to put bill and hill walking in the park together and he hates that paper bc they posted the stories abt just how bad keith is in bed… his story has nothing to do w/the clintons it has to do w.the fact that the post exposed that he is a “quickfire”!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm
he has an axe to grind and its not hrc’s fault!
Thanks, ininla!
Why do I get the feeling that Dennis J. Kucinich is behind this move by Ohio SD?
Superdelegates play hardball
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8867.html
divabunny:
Valid points. However, I kinda’ see this as a flip-flop of sorts. His surrogates are spreading this sort of inflammatory rhetoric while he’s been espousing his holier-than-thou nature as THE foundation of his campaign. This idea of him being able to unite people while at the same time beginning the slash-and-burn phase of his campaign just doesn’t jive.
Got t-boned on my way to court this AM. ER visit ensued after I arrived late for court and nearly passed out in the judge’s office. Concussion according to CAT Scan.
So while I have been on the PC (my blurred vision has cleared mostly), I’ve been troll hunting. Three possible contenders have been sent to Admin.
Don’t forget to MoneyBomb. We’re half a million bucks short right now on the $6M goal. Good work, folks.
Nite. Setting my alarm for every two hours per doc’s instructions. Seems sleeping isn’t bad, not waking up is.
Don’t you all find it just terribly ironic that he would play that disgusting ad during women’s hsitory month? Of course, it is true. Mississippi ranks 50th in electing women, just after Iowa. Excuse hillary for noting the hurdle.
hello??? olbermann’s distaste has nothing to do w/hrc… he is pissed at the post bc the put nrc and bill on the cove walking hand in hand…. he hates the post bc they exposed him and his …. well… just read… we all know the best way to piss a guy off is to say that he sucks in bad and that is exactly waht the post did… keith isnt really pissed at hill… he’s pissed at the post! http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092006/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm
What is going on in Ohio now? Hell, she just won the state by 12 points.
@mj: i’m with ya! she just called it like she saw it!
OkieAtty, sorry to hear about the accident. Wish you all the best to get better soon. Impressed that you are still here doing all you can.
Hillary can do just what he has been Hoping the press wouldn’t do.
If Senator Obama wants to dredge up the past, why don’t we take a look at his present and possible future and splash everything about his ties with REZKO all over the place. Throw in his ties with Ayers in conservative plains states and they obly thing he will win is MS
Do we really want 4 years of non-stop investigations into Senator Obama’s shady dealings..
@okie: that stinks… i had a rr cossing arm come over my car as i was turning into the boutique this morning… they didnt sound the “dings”…. any advice? i’m going to call the rr company in the morning…
rjk1957, I agree. The Rezko trial is fact and all Hillary has to do is quote questions raised in newspaper articles from Chicago. Already today his name has been brought up in court. I think this is one of the biggest things in Hillary’s favor–the Rezko trial will be continuing for a long period of time. It will have to have some impact on the SD’s I would think.
divabunny:
That’s a funny story by the NY Post. However, I don’t see the connection between that paper and Hillary? Were you just being sarcastic?
@americangal: i agree… the obama’s camp abt 50 sd’s that were ready to pledge is all BS… there is no way theyre wanting to put their names anywhere near rezco at this point
@levon: the connection is olbermann. the post put hill and bill on cover walking hand in hand through central park in a vey positive light. keith is going to go negative on anything that the post spins as positive. make sense?
I see the headlines everywhere if Obama is called as a defense witness. OBAMA CALLED TO STAND IN CORRUPTION TRIAL
I can also see SNL having their Obama clone doing his best Richard Nixon ipression “I am not a crook”
No, Olbermann is in the tank with Obama, it’s nothing to do with his hate for the Post.
Investigation of the Clinton’s past: $70 million
Investigation of Obama’s credentials, hypocrisy or misdeeds: $0
Rezko trial: priceless
Goodnight, all. Feel better, Okie.
divabunny:
Hmmm… yeah, I see you point, but with all due respect I don’t think that’s a plausible explanation for his attitude towards Hillary, IMO.
Informed in Illinois:
VERY FUNNY POST!!!
diva,
He may have had a about 50 SD lined up to endorse him, but they all put the brakes on after Tuesday night. Obama was trying to be cute holding them back to announce Wednesday in case he lost. If he had only announced their endorsements on Monday he would have been fine. He bit himself in the ass with that stupid play.
@mj… well then its a combo of both!
@rjk: we already have a obama as “the black bush” as portrayed by chappelle.
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkAL5KtjC90\
Thanks, Levon. See you all tomorrow.
If there’s a do-over in Michigan, it’s gonna get nasty as far as race relations are concerned. Detroit and its suburbs are already one of the most racially balkanized parts of the United States. If I were Obama, I would tell Sharpton and everybody else to shut the hell up any time they even hint about riots. Detroit still hasn’t recovered from 1967. All this talk about blacks taking to the streets will bring out a lot of ugliness on both sides of the racial divide, reopening old wounds that many, many good people (black and white) have worked long and hard to patch up. And after the election is over and the politicians have pulled out of town, the people here will still have to deal with the mess that they left behind.
Just another example of Obama’s superior judgement
@rjk: imo… he held them back bc they didnt f’n exist…. that was a play to voters and they didnt give a sh*t bc voters dont care abt SDs!
@jen… youve got it exactly right! sharpton doesnt care abt the aftermath… he never has! and he wont again. he’ll call for riots and uprisings and he wont do sh*t after its done. and nothing will be accomp[lished. he will just perpetuate the stereotype!
Take care Okie! Concussions suck.
Okie, sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you feel better soon.
I need to go to bed to but I needed to say this to someone–The more this drags on the more I think we will not be able to heal the party. I noted yesterday and TPM had a post asking both the “annoying” Clinton and Obama supporters to drop out of the race. I went to digby and she had linked to the post approvingly. I just went to digby again and started reading the comments and immediately you see Obamabots going haywire.
I am not suggesting that there are not offensive comments from Clinton supporters on these blogs but the concept that this is somehow equal could not be further from the truth. The Obamabots own the boards and they make going there a living hell for all of us. It is so overwhelming and over the top bullshit that it is useless to respond.
I just do not want to be allies with these idiots.
Diva: My thought re: the SDs, was that he would bring them out, after he won, to nail the coffin on Hillary’s candidacy. Who really knows? I think, he may have them, but after she won Tuesday, everything is on hold.
Jen: your posting is more evidence for a primary and not a caucus. Caucuses would incite riots. What a scary thought. Sharpton needs to go back to the swamp.
March 07, 2008
Obama is Weak in Key Gen. Election States
By Steven Stark
Two weeks ago we noted that, in spite of all the press hype promoting Barack Obama, the Democrats were only two steps away from chaos in their nomination process.
Now make that one step.
An Obama sweep this past Tuesday was probably never in the cards, given Hillary Clinton’s strength among working-class voters and Hispanics, which she’s had virtually all along. But a Clinton sweep of Texas and Ohio is something the media did not prepare for, as they ignored the evidence staring them in the face and essentially drove Obama around the track for a victory lap before the race had ever taken place.
Now the party has a huge problem. Sure, Obama has a narrow lead among elected delegates — a margin he’s likely to hold after the run of primaries ends in June. And, on paper, he’s still the current favorite to win the nomination in August.
But if Obama emerges as the nominee, it’s now clear his campaign is headed into the autumn homestretch with some enormous holes.
Foremost among them is that Obama has yet to win a major state other than his own (Illinois) because he’s still having trouble appealing to both Hispanics and working-class Democrats –those so-called Reagan Democrats. As early as this past November, the Pew Forum was picking up signs in its polls that Obama was running significantly worse among Catholics than he was among virtually any other demographic group in the electorate.
That’s still true. Unfortunately for Obama, Hispanics and working-class voters are two groups with some affinity for John McCain. In recent head-to-head polls, for example, McCain handily beat Obama by double digits in Florida — a state once considered a key toss-up. In another poll, the presumed GOP nominee is slightly ahead of Obama in New Jersey, a blue state in which John Kerry defeated George Bush by seven percentage points in 2004.
Color by numbers
These are worrying signs for the Democrats, should Obama be the nominee, especially now that it appears the Obama-Clinton contest could drag on for months, further weakening whoever emerges as the Democratic candidate. Michael Barone, the ace principal author of The Almanac of American Politics, recently wrote that an Obama-McCain race would redraw the red-state-blue-state map of the past few elections. But a more accurate analysis is that while McCain would be competitive in many states — even California — once considered safely Democratic, it’s hard to see as many comparable states where Obama might do the same.
In addition to California, McCain has a reasonable shot at winning blue states Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and maybe even Wisconsin and Michigan, not to mention the key swing state of Ohio. Obama, on the other hand, has a shot at red states New Mexico, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, and Virginia. McCain has the better hand to play.
This general-election weakness for Obama is sure to be an argument pressed by the Clinton forces in the days ahead. True, she probably wouldn’t have a chance in any of the red states that Obama might contest, either. But in her favor is the fact that, while her appeal to Independents is limited, she’d be far likelier to run stronger against McCain in Ohio, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and California.
The obvious problem now is that the longer the two front-runners engage each other, the less time either has to shore up weaknesses before the fall campaign. With the news that Florida governor Charlie Crist will consider allowing Democrats to restage their primary, this is now a process that could go into July without a clear winner. The few upcoming large states — Pennsylvania and, now, maybe Florida — favor Clinton. The longer Obama remains subject to attack by his opponent and a press anxious to repent (once again) for having gotten it all wrong, the weaker he will become. And once the primaries end, no one will have a clear majority, meaning there could well be a fierce contest for the superdelegates, triggering a contentious party civil war. McCain is thanking his lucky stars.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/obama_is_weak_in_key_general_e.html
@sitting: ok.. then why are you going there??? its been this way… what are you trying to say that we dont already know?????????
Sittin Bull: your posting, is the reason that I rarely venture onto other blogs. It is so vile and evil.
Katharine Says:
people in WY are! I think it’s because they’re all so isolated there.well martina navtrovta…tennis player lives there in jackson ..i think she is a democrat….no luck in wy i dont think bhussobama will win there..and those wyominites will not cross over to drive 50 miles or more to change there democrat for a day..gauaranteed..very isloalted i tried to tell mj..we like are guns and the cowboys hunting and no one to bother us…thats how it is folks..its happy trails..your in wyoming country lol..and no aa’s at the colleges yeah but living there nope…matthew story is not forgotten but laid at rest…
@birdgal: i would think that if he REALLY had the SDs they would have come out… they didnt want to come out fo him… otherwise they would be out
Another good article from the front page of realclearpolitics.com titled ‘What Obama Doesn’t Doesn’t Transcend’…
The Great Non Sequitur
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON — She threw the kitchen sink at him. Accused Barack Obama of plagiarism. Mocked his eloquence. Questioned his truthfulness about NAFTA.
Wasn’t enough. Hillary Clinton still faced extinction in Ohio and Texas. So what do you do when you have thrown the kitchen sink? Drop the atomic bomb.
Hence that brilliant “phone call at the White House at 3 a.m.” commercial. In the great tradition of Lyndon Johnson’s “Daisy” ad, it was not subtle — though in 2008 you don’t actually show the nuclear explosion. It’s enough just to suggest an apocalyptic crisis.
Ostensibly the ad was about experience. It wasn’t. It was about familiarity. After all, as Obama pointed out, what exactly is the experience that prepares Hillary to answer the red phone at 3 a.m.?
She was raising a deeper question: Do you really know who this guy is? After a whirlwind courtship with this elegant man who rode into town just yesterday, are you really prepared to entrust him with your children, the major props in the ad?
After months of fruitlessly shadowboxing an ethereal opponent made up of equal parts hope, rhetoric and enthusiasm, Clinton had finally made contact with the enemy. The doubts she raised created just enough buyer’s remorse to convince Democrats on Tuesday to not yet close the sale on the mysterious stranger.
The only way either Clinton or John McCain can defeat an opponent as dazzlingly new and fresh as Obama is to ask: Do you really know this guy?
Or the corollary: Is he really who he says he is? I’m not talking about scurrilous innuendo about his origins, religion or upbringing. I’m talking about the full-fledged man who presents himself to the country in remarkably grandiose terms as a healer, a conciliator, a uniter.
This, after all, is his major appeal. What makes him different from the other candidates, from the “old politics” he disdains, is the promise to rise above party, to take us beyond ideology and other archaic divisions, and bring us together as “one nation.”
It’s worked. When Americans are asked who can unite us, 67 percent say Obama versus 34 percent for Clinton, with McCain at 51.
How did Obama pull that off? By riding one of the great non sequiturs of modern American politics.
It goes like this. Because Obama transcends race, it is therefore assumed that he will transcend everything else — divisions of region, class, party, generation and ideology.
The premise here is true — Obama does transcend race; he has not run as a candidate of minority grievance; his vision of America is unmistakably post-racial — but the conclusion does not necessarily follow. It is merely suggested in Obama’s rhetorically brilliant celebration of American unity: “young and old, rich and poor, black and white, Latino and Asian — who are tired of a politics that divides us.” Hence “the choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It’s not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white. It’s about the past versus the future.”
The effect of such sweeping invocations of unity is electric, particularly because race is the deepest and most tragic of all American divisions, and this invocation is being delivered by a man who takes us powerfully beyond it. The implication is that he is therefore uniquely qualified to transcend all our other divisions.
It is not an idle suggestion. It could be true. The problem is that Obama’s own history suggests that, in his case at least, it is not. Indeed, his Senate record quite belies the implication.
The Obama campaign has sent journalists eight pages of examples of his reaching across the aisle in the Senate. But these are small-bore items of almost no controversy — more help for war veterans, reducing loose nukes in the former Soviet Union and the like. Bipartisan support for apple pie is hardly a profile in courage.
On the difficult compromises that required the political courage to challenge one’s own political constituency, Obama flinched: the “gang of 14″ compromise on judicial appointments, the immigration compromise to which Obama tried to append union-backed killer amendments, and, just last month, the compromise on warrantless eavesdropping that garnered 68 votes in the Senate. But not Obama’s.
Who, in fact, supported all of these bipartisan deals, was a central player in two of them, and brokered the even more notorious McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform? John McCain, of course.
Yes, John McCain — intemperate and rough-edged, of sharp elbows and even sharper tongue. Turns out that uniting is not a matter of rhetoric or manner, but of character and courage.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/do_you_really_know_obama.html
Another good article from the front page of realclearpolitics.com titled ‘What Obama Doesn’t Doesn’t Transcend’…
The Great Non Sequitur
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON — She threw the kitchen sink at him. Accused Barack Obama of plagiarism. Mocked his eloquence. Questioned his truthfulness about NAFTA.
Wasn’t enough. Hillary Clinton still faced extinction in Ohio and Texas. So what do you do when you have thrown the kitchen sink? Drop the atomic bomb.
Hence that brilliant “phone call at the White House at 3 a.m.” commercial. In the great tradition of Lyndon Johnson’s “Daisy” ad, it was not subtle — though in 2008 you don’t actually show the nuclear explosion. It’s enough just to suggest an apocalyptic crisis.
Ostensibly the ad was about experience. It wasn’t. It was about familiarity. After all, as Obama pointed out, what exactly is the experience that prepares Hillary to answer the red phone at 3 a.m.?
She was raising a deeper question: Do you really know who this guy is? After a whirlwind courtship with this elegant man who rode into town just yesterday, are you really prepared to entrust him with your children, the major props in the ad?
After months of fruitlessly shadowboxing an ethereal opponent made up of equal parts hope, rhetoric and enthusiasm, Clinton had finally made contact with the enemy. The doubts she raised created just enough buyer’s remorse to convince Democrats on Tuesday to not yet close the sale on the mysterious stranger.
The only way either Clinton or John McCain can defeat an opponent as dazzlingly new and fresh as Obama is to ask: Do you really know this guy?
Or the corollary: Is he really who he says he is? I’m not talking about scurrilous innuendo about his origins, religion or upbringing. I’m talking about the full-fledged man who presents himself to the country in remarkably grandiose terms as a healer, a conciliator, a uniter.
This, after all, is his major appeal. What makes him different from the other candidates, from the “old politics” he disdains, is the promise to rise above party, to take us beyond ideology and other archaic divisions, and bring us together as “one nation.”
It’s worked. When Americans are asked who can unite us, 67 percent say Obama versus 34 percent for Clinton, with McCain at 51.
How did Obama pull that off? By riding one of the great non sequiturs of modern American politics.
It goes like this. Because Obama transcends race, it is therefore assumed that he will transcend everything else — divisions of region, class, party, generation and ideology.
The premise here is true — Obama does transcend race; he has not run as a candidate of minority grievance; his vision of America is unmistakably post-racial — but the conclusion does not necessarily follow. It is merely suggested in Obama’s rhetorically brilliant celebration of American unity: “young and old, rich and poor, black and white, Latino and Asian — who are tired of a politics that divides us.” Hence “the choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It’s not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white. It’s about the past versus the future.”
The effect of such sweeping invocations of unity is electric, particularly because race is the deepest and most tragic of all American divisions, and this invocation is being delivered by a man who takes us powerfully beyond it. The implication is that he is therefore uniquely qualified to transcend all our other divisions.
It is not an idle suggestion. It could be true. The problem is that Obama’s own history suggests that, in his case at least, it is not. Indeed, his Senate record quite belies the implication.
The Obama campaign has sent journalists eight pages of examples of his reaching across the aisle in the Senate. But these are small-bore items of almost no controversy — more help for war veterans, reducing loose nukes in the former Soviet Union and the like. Bipartisan support for apple pie is hardly a profile in courage.
On the difficult compromises that required the political courage to challenge one’s own political constituency, Obama flinched: the “gang of 14″ compromise on judicial appointments, the immigration compromise to which Obama tried to append union-backed killer amendments, and, just last month, the compromise on warrantless eavesdropping that garnered 68 votes in the Senate. But not Obama’s.
Who, in fact, supported all of these bipartisan deals, was a central player in two of them, and brokered the even more notorious McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform? John McCain, of course.
Yes, John McCain — intemperate and rough-edged, of sharp elbows and even sharper tongue. Turns out that uniting is not a matter of rhetoric or manner, but of character and courage.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/do_you_really_know_obama.html
Has anyone seen the clip of Obama’s Foreign policy adviosr saying that neither Hillary or Obama are not ready for a 3 am phone call? I really do not think when Obama sent her out to slam Hillary he wanted her to say that.
Divabunny: I hope you are right, that was just posturing and bluffing.
I can the RNC playing that clip nonstop in the fall
call the darth vader residence in jackson hole leave a robo call..for hillary lol..
I can’t go to most blogs either. I can take constructive criticism, I welcome it. I can take differening opinions, otherwise life is boring. I enjoy knowing why other people support a specific candidate whether it’s policy, experience or just personal preference. What I couldn’t take was the misogyny, sexist remarks, race baiting, hit job slams and vile attacks. If you criticize Obama you’re attacked. If you ask why someone supports him, you’re attacked. If you so much as point out something negative about him, you’re attacked. If you post something positive about another candidate, you’re attacked.
The posts that used to piss me off the most were the “but _____ did it too!” like someone would post a “Obama licks frogs” thread and someone else would turn it around all “Hillary licks frogs!” even though there was no evidence that Hillary licked frogs.
@rjk: here is the video of sara rice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumIz2bajus
diva,
I have the clip it just strikes me as another blunder from the bambi camp
@rjk: sorry… thought you were looking for the clip.. of course a blunder… axelrove’s machine is breaking down…
mj did call friends of mine today in wyo..they said they are not gonna do that cross over crap..some are for hillary….especially the low incomes of the ranch cooks and so forth..i think they’ll have a tie or close vote between both of them.but for bussiness its all republicans..red as rudolph’s nose…
axelrod is a wannabe rove and he just cant be… he doesnt have “rove power”…. i despise ove but he is the ultimate puppetmaster…. i say F penn!!! its time to offer carville and begala whatever they want to come out of retirement to take us into the home stretch!
since i talked to 3 of them about the cacus.. gossip will spread like wildfire there democrat for a day they wont do it….and his fired up ready to go he better think before his supporters say that in states that had fire.. yellowstone fires they do not like the message.. he does not know what wyoming needs are….he does not know wyo history..peroid that is what they told me..
Penn came up with 3am, which clearly played a role in TX,OH.
Cj, I dont know. I read that guy’s blog someone posted and it sounds like the few Dem’s there are drinking the koolaid. Can Repub’s participate in those caucuses?
gnight all…. have to run to the shop in the morning and will back here as soon as i get home to see what our next move is… i can personally say that i had great luck with my correspondence with the ohio journalists and reporters covering the naftagagte stuff prior to the ohio vote…. we just need to come up with a message we want to get out to the WY papers… love any input… dont think the sam powers thing is strong though…
Cj, thanks for getting in touch with your friends.
Hillary has quite a few on the chip program there too..so those supporters willl cacus vote…
@mj: 3am was mondale done years before and maybe penn just pulled outta retirement, but was not original and thats the majority of th reason she was trashed for it…. for what theyre paying penn…. he coulda at least been original at playing the experience card.
I don’t agree with that editorial. Without monolithic aa support BO would have been toast months ago, so so much for trancending.
I wonder how the rallies are going out there? Some of the comments from the Almanac were quite vile. I’m glad she is going out there.
but if you guys are calling wyo riverton ,lander,buffalo,douglas,rock springs,green river casper,glenrock,saratoga,muddy gap,she might do well,some are not all repubs..
It did the job.
But CJ, it’s not the Repubs. It’s the liberals. Did you look at that blog?
Cj: Dot called earlier today, and had mostly hangups.
your welcome mj..and these friends are repubs they ,,,but everyone gets along…so its who you can convince to go for hill…
Tiny Dancer,
I’ve had the same problem with the blogs. What it comes down to is that far too many of these young Obama supporters can neither think critically nor debate rationally. For years, we’ve all been hearing about the dumbing down of our educational system. Now we’re seeing the results of it in these 20-year-olds.
Jen: So much for critical thinking courses in college.
One more thought… I wonder what Rob “Meat Head” Reiner thinks of the Archie Bunker comments?
hi hillfans, if obama wants to really go there on this lame “taxes” charge on the clintons then bring it brotha!!! he has no damn crediblity with his buddy rezko on trial. DOES OBAMA REALLY WANT TO GO THERE? admin, us from hillaryis44, and team hillary wanted this rezko in the spotlight for a long damn time.NOW WE HAVE IT!!! BETTER LATE THAN NEVER!!! HILLARY SHOULD HAMMER HIM AT ALL STOPS!!!
You know what, I think that ad of Obama’s is just sick. Hillary was caught in a moment expressing the clear hurdle she was facing as a woman running for office, and now he’s using that to score political points? Its really sick.
Yeah, I watched that abc report a I could swear the prosectutor named obama in his opening statement. Shouldnt that be a huge story?
ive been in contact with the wy director for hillary. email him at jlipshutz@hillaryclinton.com to help. dems only in the caucus-but the rge deadline was feb 22. big effort here-hillary and bill will campaign here. she is running ads as well
But texan, is she coordinating to get them to the caucus?
Here’s a large excerpt from an article on realclearpolitics.com regarding bambi’s new attach strategy and how it will eventually do him in… full article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/opinion/07brooks.html?hp
These attacks are supposed to show that Obama can’t be pushed around. But, of course, what it really suggests is that Obama’s big theory is bankrupt. You can’t really win with the new style of politics. Sooner or later, you have to play by the conventional rules.
The Obama people seem to have persuaded themselves they can go on the attack, but in the right way. They can be tough and keep their virginity, too. But there are more than five long months between now and the convention.
Unless they consciously reject conventional politics, the accusations will build on each other. The BlackBerries will buzz. The passions will rise. The Obama forces will see hints of Clinton corruption all around, and they’ll accuse and accuse again. The war will begin to take control, and once you’re halfway through you can’t suddenly surrender because it’s become too rough.
And the Clinton people will draw them every step of the way. Clinton can’t compete on personality, but a knife fight is her only real hope of victory. She has nothing to lose because she never promised to purify America. Her campaign doesn’t depend on the enthusiasm of upper-middle-class goo-goos. On Thursday, a Clinton aide likened Obama to Ken Starr just to badger them on.
As the trench warfare stretches on through the spring, the excitement of Obama-mania will seem like a distant, childish mirage. People will wonder if Obama ever believed any of that stuff himself. And even if he goes on to win the nomination, he won’t represent anything new. He’ll just be a one-term senator running for president.
In short, a candidate should never betray the core theory of his campaign, or head down a road that leads to that betrayal. Barack Obama doesn’t have an impressive record of experience or a unique policy profile. New politics is all he’s got. He loses that, and he loses everything. Every day that he looks conventional is a bad day for him.
Besides, the real softness of the campaign is not that Obama is a wimp. It’s that he has never explained how this new politics would actually produce bread-and-butter benefits to people in places like Youngstown and Altoona.
If he can’t explain that, he’s going to lose at some point anyway.
Hey y’all. I’ve been visiting the site daily but neglecting the posts. I’ve been posting on three other blogs: The Confluence – http://www.riverdaughter.wordpress.com, Taylor Marsh – http://www.taylormarsh.com, and Anglachel’s Journal – http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com so can’t get to all at once.
They are all top pro-Hillary blogs and I urge you to check them out.
I’m actually stopping by to tell you all to read the last several posts on Anglachel’s Journal. Just the best arguments I’ve read on why the MI and FL delegates must be seated and why Hillary has the best argument going into the convention to be the nominee. MUST READ. I’ll post her link on here again tomorrow:
http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/03/inevitability-game.html
http://www.anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/03/reality-about-legitimacy.html
Highly educated, stop-obama has a good article about how realistically, Hill has always held a delegate lead, and she does today, and that neither Party has ever not seated delegates they sanctioned. This is an effort by Dean to prop up BO.
These attacks are supposed to show that Obama can’t be pushed around. But, of course, what it really suggests is that Obama’s big theory is bankrupt. You can’t really win with the new style of politics. Sooner or later, you have to play by the conventional rules.
The Obama people seem to have persuaded themselves they can go on the attack, but in the right way. They can be tough and keep their virginity, too. But there are more than five long months between now and the convention.
Unless they consciously reject conventional politics, the accusations will build on each other. The BlackBerries will buzz. The passions will rise. The Obama forces will see hints of Clinton corruption all around, and they’ll accuse and accuse again. The war will begin to take control, and once you’re halfway through you can’t suddenly surrender because it’s become too rough.
And the Clinton people will draw them every step of the way. Clinton can’t compete on personality, but a knife fight is her only real hope of victory. She has nothing to lose because she never promised to purify America. Her campaign doesn’t depend on the enthusiasm of upper-middle-class goo-goos. On Thursday, a Clinton aide likened Obama to Ken Starr just to badger them on.
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Levon, David Brooks is an idiot!!! I’ve never liked his analysis because it so overrated and unoriginal. Why he get so much face time on TV is AMAZING to me.
He has consistently underestimated the Clintons from day one…and I for one is tired of all these NEO_CONS in sheep clothing posing as intellectuals and reporters.
The New York Times should had FIRED all those reporters that push us into the IRAG WAR for being the propagandists that they are.
But NOOOOOO only Judith Miller got the boot out that bastion of “tabloid reporting”…They should have punted this doofus out the door too….this man is a disgrace because he is so intellectually dishonest with his facts, maybe he should go back to Chicago and do some real reporting…LIKE REZKO and then maybe I’ll respect him.
carbynew:
I’m not familiar with David Brooks at all, I just read this article and thought he made some good points regarding possible effects of bambi’s new attack strategy.
HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter:
Excellent articles at the links you posted. Much appreciated!
I am absolutely astonished and angry.
“Al Shapton told Foxnews, if Obama goes into Convention with more popular votes but is not elected as the nominee, he and his black brothers will go to demonstrate on the street.”
Mr. Sharpton you are a racist to the core. Shame on you. AA’s have no claim on the civil rights movement. Civil rights is human rights and the last I looked there is a world of different ethnic groups that have been treated unfairly.
And Mr. Sharpton what is your take on the centuries old discrimination and torture of women…or do they leave that out of your history lessons so your black brothers can lay claim to everything unfair.
You sir, are an embarrassment.
divabunny Says:
March 7th, 2008 at 1:25 am
@mj: 3am was mondale done years before and maybe penn just pulled outta retirement, but was not original and thats the majority of th reason she was trashed for it…. for what theyre paying penn…. he coulda at least been original at playing the experience card.
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I liked the 3am ad it was effective and came out at the right time…Obambi is mad because his name wasn’t mention so his attacks about the ad shows he’s a big fat cry baby.
His campaign continues to show their inexperience and clumsy handling of FOREIGN POLICY.
My only problem with Mark Penn is that he talk to much to the media.
That’s my opinion on Penn, too. He’s great at analyzing poll data, but he doesn’t need to try and do everything. Leave the media work to Wolfson and the other reps.
I wish Carville was more involved in this campaign, but oh well!
please indulge me ..this is worth reading but a bit long on page
Racism goes both ways
Amanda Forbes
Issue date: 3/5/08 Section: Opinion
PrintEmail Article Tools Page 1 of 1 A friend recently sent me a text message that read “When else can a black man beat a white woman’s ass without going to jail? Vote for Obama!”
I pride myself on having a great sense of humor, but I did not laugh at this one. I was not offended either. I was just…shocked.
If I or any other Caucasian ever wrote or uttered such a statement in reverse, we would be summarily crucified. At a time when minorities are preaching equality and sensitivity, why is there still a double-standard when it comes to racist remarks?
I do not buy that minorities should be given a pass when it comes to making racist statements toward their own race or other races. If there is ever to be equality, it must be observed on both sides and treated with the same attitude.
Duane “Dog” Chapman was fired from his popular A&E show, “Dog the Bounty Hunter,” for using a huge no-no word and Don Imus was canned from his morning show for describing the Rutgers University women’s basketball team as “nappy headed hos.”
If this is so disparaging, why did I see a copy of The Sentinel in University Hall with “Bros before Hos” on the cover in reference to Obama and Clinton?
In 2004, Barry Bonds made a few racially charged statements about Boston to a reporter. No one raised flags to the media and cried “Fire Barry Bonds!” No one said anything because no one felt they could, simply because Bonds is black and is apparently allowed to say whatever he wants.
However, when “Dog” made his racially insensitive remarks, Roy Innis, chairman of the Congress for Racial Equality, demanded he be taken off the airwaves immediately because his “comments show that he is certainly not a good guy.”
After Imus made his remarks, Al Sharpton demanded Imus be fired. He then insisted his demands were not about Imus but rather the “misuse of the airwaves.”
“We cannot afford a precedent established that the airwaves can be used to commercialize and mainstream sexism and racism,” he said.
Then why do we hear rap songs constantly referring to women as “hos” if not worse? Imus referred to the double standard after his firing by noting the term he used is well-used within the black community. Sharpton fired back, stating he does not forgive anyone who uses such words or phrases.
Yet, I have never once seen Sharpton demand Lil’ Wayne be released from his recording contract because he raps “hos love my grill, hos love my crib.”
How can anyone not see that as a double standard? I am not a racist and do not find joy in making racist comments, but I refuse to turn a deaf ear or a blind eye when someone of a different race makes an insulting remark and decides it should not be a big deal because they are a minority and they can. If I am going to be held to a standard of decency, then everyone, regardless of race, religion or sex should be subjected to that same standard. Once everyone is on the same page about what is appropriate and what is not, then we can start to break down the walls of racism in this country.
Amanda Forbes is a graduate student in English and journalism. She can be reached at forbes.34@osu.edu.
For those of you who want an electorial map….Here it is:
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-clinton-276-mccain-262/
If an election was held today…Sen. Clinton would be the President of the United States with her 276 electorial college votes, while McCain has 268 votes and a distant third Obama who is not notated on the map has 182 votes.
Do the math SD Obama doesn’t have a snowball chance in Hell to win the presidency. Even after spending 55 million this month.
Hillary Clinton Receives Surprisingly Warm Reception In Mississippi
Published by at 5:36 am under Uncategorized
Sen. Hillary Clinton received a surprisingly warm reception in her first campaign visit to Mississippi since her primary victories in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island. She spoke at the 26th Annual Jefferson-Jackson-Hamer Day Dinner at the Canton Multipurpose & Equine Center in Canton, Mississippi on Thursday night.
In her speech which was live streamed by Jackson television station WJTV she sounded confident and upbeat. She acknowledged that the Obama campaign has strong support in the state but emphasized that if she is elected she plans to do a lot for Mississippi. She talked a lot about the common problems that Arkansas and Mississippi have faced and told of her work in Arkansas to bring about better education and healthcare.
She received several standing ovations in her speech and the audience joined her in an Obama-like chant of “Yes we will! Yes we will! at the end.
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Lovely photos on posted too.
I’m from Fl and news of the disenfranchisment of FL voters is big down here. I can tell you that there won’t be a do-over because we Floridians are struggling with the mortgage foreclosure here, high property taxes and high home insurance.
There was a bill attached to the Fl primaries regarding the lowering of property taxes and many folks were energized to come out and vote. There was no way that the Dems could have got the Repub legislature to back down as they strategically attached that bill on to it.
BO ran a national ad buy and I can tell you that it ran numerous times on CNN, people watched the debates and knew who all the canidates were. Kendall Coffey who represented Gore regarding the Fl debacle when the presidency was stolen from us was on tv decrying the Democratic party.
He said, it is surprising that a party who decried hanging chads and voter fraud would now suddenly support voter disenfranchisement re the Fl voters in the Fl primary (paraphrasing).
These were very strong words coming from a powerful person with legitimacy on this issue. Also, there is Alcee Hastings who is very vocal and is a Hillary supporter.
Dean, IMO, will have to seat these delegates as this story is about to blow up and I don’t think that he wants to piss off the FL voters already. There is a huge, active Cuban population in S Florida and they VOTe. They are McCain people. However, there is also a huge snowbird contigent, huge Jewish voters and seniors also in South Florida and they are imo, Hill supporters. Piss them off and they will go to McCain.
Dean has been shown to be a collosal arse along with Donna Brazile. Look at all of his competing statements yesterday about this debacle. Is anyone accusing him of having ‘mood swings’!
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 04:58 am | #
Now, Hillary team has to all walk in lockstep, no leaks to the media, put away dislike towards one another and avoid making these kinds of mistakes that Obama’s staff is making.
It is clear from reading the background that Bambi’s people thought that they had this locked up atleast through Friday and so did the media. They were ‘measuring the drapes’ and so forth but a funny thing happened on the road to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave….the people said NO!
This is a fatal mistake by Bambi and his staff to go negative on Hill. The things that they will bring up or suggest by innuendo have been heard before and people have made their judgements of Hill aready. Most Dems have concluded that they still like her. REgarding the Presidential library, Bush sr. has also done the same thing and not released names of donors so that’s a non-starter. McCain won’t pounce on that so it won’t go anywhere.
It is interesting that Krugman in his blog on Wednesday said that he took the train home on Tuesday with the belief that Hill would lose based on some insiders who spoke to him and told him that the exit data said so.
Wow! This explains why the MSM looked so morose and deflated when they realized that Hillary very much was alive and kicking!
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 05:03 am | #
Regarding shedding light on Hill’s claim to experience, they will lose. Bill Bennett on his talk show Thursday said that Hill does have some claim to experience from being in the White House. He said that she was a part of some of those meetings and that due to her obvious love of policy, she probably had some input.
CNN’s piece was quite flattering to Hill as they showed her making her speech in China about women’s rights and showed her in the tribal areas of Serbia etc. It will only highlight all of the places where she has been (many war torn) and beg the question,w here has he travelled and what has he done.
She has spoken up for women’s and children’s rights all over the world and this plays right into her base. She has also championed the cause of the less fortunate and down trodden. What of his speeches to women suffering, poor refugees, mutilated women in Africa etc!
Losing argument, imo.
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 05:06 am | #
One final thing, talk show radio is hammering him everyday. This will put a damper on the Repubs crossing over. The issue of national security is a big one for Republicans, especially their men. The fact that the light is being shown on this will not cause them to gravitate to him in any big way.
Regarding the ARchie Bunker comments about Ohio, if this makes its way to PA, forget about it.
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 05:08 am | #
Awww….look at Hill and Bill strolling the park yesterday. They both look relax and confident. You guys deserve a break.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03062008/news/nationalnews/clinton/photo05.htm
firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/737074.aspx
I like that the Clintons are on offense and have started to actively court PA as evidenced by Chelsea heading out to PA. Gov. REndell has already signalled his strong support by evidenced of his strongly worded support in a memo on Wednesday. Heck, I may even fly out to PA.
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From First Read guest contributor Carly Zakin
PHILADELPHIA — Proving that Tuesday’s primary results have turned the Clinton campaign’s focus towards Pennsylvania, Chelsea Clinton made a campaign appearance last night here at the University of Pennsylvania. As the crowd of nearly 500 students waited for the former first daughter to arrive, the Clinton campaign seemed to be channeling the Spice Girls’ message of girl power as the pop group’s hits played from the speakers. Hinting to the audience that the campaign was in full gear to focus on the next big primary contests, Chelsea joked, “I hope you don’t get tired of seeing me or my family, I have a feeling we’ll be here a lot.”
The informal Q&A session seemed to be geared towards connecting her mother with the youth vote and educating them on the candidate’s issues and stances. Chelsea assured the audience that she believed in her mother “not only as her daughter, but as a young woman and as a voter.” Clarifying her mother’s stances on gay rights, health care, education, women’s rights, and Iraq, Chelsea portrayed her mother as a lifelong advocate of equal rights and political change who only “hopes to fulfill those commitments that she’s made throughout her life.”
Students’ questions showed concern about whether or not Clinton could be a the force of change and how she would handle diplomatic hurdles, as well as the impact of a Bush-Clinton dynasty, to which Chelsea responded: “One, I wish we hadn’t had a second Bush. And two, you shouldn’t vote for or against my mom because of my dad.” Asked whether or not there were any issues she and her mother disagreed on, Chelsea responded “Yes, but that’s for my kitchen table.”
As each issue was raised, Chelsea carefully pointed out her mother’s history of leadership and initiative for change. Stressing her mother’s ability to make compromises across party lines, even with former adversaries like Newt Gingrich or Lindsey Graham, she emphasized how her mother continually “keeps trying” on health care, support for Darfur, a GI Bill of Rights, and an Iraqi refugee program, among other
http://www.thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp
This is the headline on Drudge. This will be on all the right wing talk shows tomorrow and the news. Not good for Bambi, especially as Clinton put forth evidence of her experience in foreign affairs and Bambi has put forth NONE!
tiburones | 03.07.2008 – 06:11 am | #
h t t p : / / http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5599807.html
One alternative mentioned now by the Florida Democratic Party is a vote-by-mail election. Ballots would be mailed to all of Florida’s approximately 4.7 million registered Democrats in May or June. The cost would be $4 million to $6 million …. [A full primary would be $25 million]
Maybe I’m missing something, but the mail-in option sounds good. We might even get more votes than the first time.
But no caucuses or any other wierd thing!!!!!
carbynew: You actually missed a separate electoral map for just Obama v McCain.
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-clinton-276-mccain-262/
Obama is winning by more electoral votes than Hillary is right now.
Just sayin’
I just posted here, easy enough, seems a decent comment string.
h t t p : / / http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5599807.html
Dean and Brazile should either accept the delegates from the first vote, or pay for the new vote. They fouled up and set an unjust and unenforceable punishment for something the GOP legislature did. The mail-in option sounds good; vote by mail is used in OR, WA, and encouraged in CA. It would be refreshing to have a contest where no one is getting sued about long lines or running out of ballots or poll hours, etc etc. (No caucuses or other wierd time-limited crowded things, please!)
Mediation by elders sounds good also, if those elders are Gore, Carter, and their peers.
About the cost … having the campaigns operating in the state will bring in a lot of money: ad space, office space, gasoline, pizza, etc. They’re spending about $1 million per day each, so that would be $60 million in a month. Maybe the Florida Chamber of Commerce could pay for a mail-in primary at $5 million.
Good morning, Hillfans. Only latest headlines up at RW but working on article for later this morning. h/t to Independent Ben for raising the issue of BO’s button voting “oopsies” re Rezko and gambling. This makes about the fourth “favor” BO did for his moneybag. RW has the first three posted, which will be linked in new article. If anyone has links for this, please click on name above and then send via the confidential email link on righthand side of page.
Thanks.
The more “favors” we can rack up, the better. Then you can use the RW link to spread the word. This is really at the core of the relationship. I’m sure that there are many more examples that just haven’t been linked up yet.
BO is a front man and those behind him plan on putting their hand-picked front man in the WH … not!
It’s obvious why the original votes in MI and FL cannot be allowed to stand, even though those elections have been fully paid for.
In MI, BHO’s name was not even on the ballot. That isn’t fair! Everyone knows it was merely a mistake for him to take his name off the ballot. He is entitled to be compensated for his mistakes. After all, there is something special about him. A careful examination of the New York and Calif primaries may find other mistakes for which compensation could result in more delegates for him. A closer look may find Hillary is to blame for all of these mistakes. Any other interpretation is probably racist anyway.
In FL, all the names were on the ballot, but Hillary had a very unfair advantage. She had NAME RECOGNITION. I hear that stuff all the time on the MSM. It’s sinful to have that advantage! Such unfairness prohibits any thought of letting her have the delegates she won fair and square.
Who is to blame for all of this unfairness? You can’t blame the voters! Nor the states! Definitely not the holy DNC! Not Obama nor Edwards. There is only one person to blame, and that’s Hillary. She should be penalized by refusing to let her have the votes and the delegates she has won.
I swear this sounds like the argument I am hearing all the time.
G’morning everyone!!!
JUST WAIT until the samantha power things hits the UK press and tabloids, it happened too late yesrerday for papers over here, but I guarantee Brit tabloids will have a field day wit this one.. I , for one, cant wait to see what they ahve to say about this LOL
Has this been posted? Puerto Rico voted to have a primary rather than a caucus last night. Better for Hillary!
Hillary Clinton: The monster that ate Obama’s campaign.
Easy to post here also:
h t t p : / / http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/COL04/803070332/1001/NEWS
Brisk but rational debate going on at
h t t p : / / http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-03-06-primary-QnA_N.htm#uslPageReturn
I received this message from a Canadian on Hillary’s Facebook page:
“The story of Obama giving the wink and a nod about NAFTA is taking off h