Deep In The Heart . . .

[Let’s keep the immediate efforts focused on Wisconsin which votes today.]

Texas looms large as ever when the state votes in next months presidential primary/caucus. Many good people are working in Texas or planning to travel to Texas to help elect Hillary. We have posted contact information for Texas (and other upcoming primary states) previously.

Today, we take note of some good local websites for Texas Hillary information.

Texas For Hillary lists events, and links to other Texas blogs and other Hillary Texas Groups.

One such blog is the lovely, color coordinated, In The Pink Texas.

Another Texas blog for Hillary is (oy veh, who knew?) Gay Texans For Hillary.

Tarrant 4 Hillary is also a great site to track upcoming Texas events.

Texans: Remember Hillary needs precinct captains in all 8,000 Texas precincts. Please volunteer to be a precinct captain.

Hillary has a long history with Texas. Here is some background on Hillary and Texas:

He [McGovern] got trounced in the Lone Star state in his campaign against President Nixon. But Clinton — then Hillary Rodham, a Yale law student — came away with ties to Hispanic voters that she now sees as crucial to her campaign for Texas’ March 4 presidential primary.

She registered voters here and in the Rio Grande Valley, putting her on the doorsteps of numerous Latinos and in touch with local politicos and union organizers, for McGovern’s campaign. Bill Clinton, her then-boyfriend, was organizing the state for McGovern.

When the registration period ended, she helped guide the San Antonio campaign in the last few weeks before the election.

Sen. Clinton, state Rep. José Menéndez and state Sen. Leticia Van de Putte — both San Antonio Democrats — hammered home that experience during her rally Wednesday night in St. Mary’s University’s sports arena.

She stood with us then. We stand with her now,” Van de Putte said to the largely Hispanic crowd of 5,000 supporters.

Clinton didn’t mince words near the end of her 25-minute speech: “I need you to be there for me over the next three weeks.” [snip]

Hispanics make up 36 percent of Texas’ population, although the state estimates that they comprise 20 percent of registered voters.

Clinton’s supporters say it helps that Obama is an unknown quantity in San Antonio and South Texas.

“He has no history here,” said Bexar County Commissioner Paul Elizondo, who block-walked with Clinton along West Mistletoe before Wednesday’s rally. “This is Clinton country. She hasn’t been vilified here like she has in other places. People here like her.”

La Joya Mayor Billy Leo has four photos of himself with Sen. Clinton hanging on his office walls.

“When (Bill) Clinton was running (in 1992), they came in right before the election, but then they came back,” Leo said. “As a pair, they came back several times.”

Obama surrogates, who include a group of mostly young, Hispanic state lawmakers, acknowledge Clinton’s strong ties to the region. Also, many Latinos prospered in the 1990s, and they gave much of the credit to Bill Clinton, noted state Rep. Rafael Anchía, D-Dallas. [snip]

Many McGovern volunteers came to town with only two or three contacts, recalled long-time community organizer Arnold Flores. He remembered Hillary Clinton from a crowded McGovern rally in the backyard of the late Democratic strategist and attorney Herschel Bernard.

In her 2003 memoir, “Living History,” Clinton hinted at the culture clash.

“Hispanics in South Texas were, understandably, wary of a blond girl from Chicago who didn’t speak a word of Spanish,” she wrote. “I found allies at the universities, among organized labor, and lawyers with the South Texas Rural Legal Aid Association.”

Franklin Garcia, a storied union organizer who died in 1984, essentially was Clinton’s ambassador in South Texas. He took Clinton “places I could never have gone alone and vouched for me to Mexican Americans who worried I might be from the immigration service or some other government agency,” she wrote.

But one of her first Texas contacts was Garry Mauro, who was signing up voters for an Austin-based not-for-profit in the summer of 1972. He said he found her “compelling” and “scary smart.”

Mauro, a former state land commissioner who unsuccessfully challenged then-Gov. George W. Bush in 1998, is advising Clinton’s Texas campaign.

Some northern political activists blew into Texas, Mauro said, assuming they knew how to win elections here. “She didn’t do that. She asked questions and listened, then she asked some more questions and listened some more.”

He said she also had an easy rapport with Latinos.

She had a cultural affinity with Hispanics. It was apparent,” Mauro said. “There’s something about Catholic, Hispanic culture. You either get it or you don’t.” [snip]

Andy Hernandez, an adviser for Clinton’s Hispanic outreach in Texas, sat out the McGovern campaign in 1972. A Chicano activist and college student at the time, he was too dispirited after West Side Councilman Pete Torres lost the 1971 mayoral race and state Sen. Joe Bernal fell in the 1972 Democratic primary to then-state Rep. Nelson Wolff.

But he came face to face with Bill and Hillary Clinton before the 1992 primaries, in a hastily arranged briefing on Hispanic voting patterns en route to unseating President George Bush. Hernandez — then head of the Southwest Voter Registration and Education Project — came away impressed.

Bill Clinton “already knew a lot about South Texas,” Hernandez said. “They were both trying to figure out what had changed from the time they’d worked here in 1972.”

Mauro said the Clintons stayed in touch with South Texas politicos after decamping, and undertook a two-day blitz of the region in 1991 in preparation for Clinton’s battle for the Democratic nomination.

“After that, Hillary made Texas a special project,” Mauro said, noting she made numerous trips around the state. The Clinton operation “never stopped. It has been alive and well for years.”

That has paid dividends as far as endorsements. In San Antonio, Clinton won the backing of Elizondo, former Mayor Henry Cisneros, Leticia Van de Putte, state Sen. Carlos Uresti, state Rep. Joaquin Castro and County Judge Nelson Wolff, among others.

Yesterday, Texans for Hillary announced several more endorsements in Texas:

Texans for Hillary announced today the support of three influential Texas leaders –Former U.S. Congressman and Texas Attorney General Jim Mattox, former U.S. Congressman Jim Chapman, and State Senator Gonzalo Barrientos – who will mobilize grassroots support within their communities for Hillary ahead of the March 4 Texas primary and caucus.

Mattox, who served three terms in the U.S. Congress from Dallas and two terms as Attorney General, is a prominent voice for the Democratic party in Texas.

“In Texas we have a phrase, ‘she’s earned her spurs.’ Hillary has spent more than 35 years earning her spurs and she is the best leader for our country,” said General Mattox. “Whether working for universal health care or passing legislation to protect our nation’s veterans, Hillary has spent a lifetime fighting for the American people. Hillary does more than just deliver beautiful speeches, she delivers results.”

Chapman served the 1st Congressional District of Texas for more than 10 years in the US House of Representatives. As former Chairman of the Texas Democratic congressional delegation, Chapman is a respected voice within the Texas Democratic party.

“Hillary is a strong leader who represents the values that are important to the people of our great state—hard work, faith, and commitment to family. Whether fighting for universal health care or working to protect our nation’s children, Hillary has proven time and time again she is a leader who can deliver results. She’s a work horse, not a show horse and in uncertain times we need a President with tested leadership who can hit the ground running on day one. For more than 35 years, Hillary has produced positive change and there is no one I would trust more with the future of our country. I urge the people of Texas to stand with Hillary on March 5th.”

Barrientos is a leading voice within the Hispanic community throughout the state. A former Democratic member of the Texas Senate, Barrientos represented the 14th District from 1985 to 2007. He was also a member of the Texas House of Representatives from Austin from 1975 to 1985.

“Hillary has a long history fighting for the American people and I am proud to support her today. Whether working to protect voter rights or fighting for universal health care, Hillary has consistently demonstrated that she values the issues that are important to the Hispanic community. We need a leader who has the strength and experience to lead on day one. Hillary doesn’t just talk about change, she delivers change. My brothers and sisters, I urge you to stand in support of Hillary, so together we can help make history.”

The endorsement of these three well-respected and influential leaders demonstrates Texans from across the Lone Star State are rallying behind Hillary’s powerful message of providing real solutions for the problems plaguing America’s working families. As further evidence of the momentum Hillary is receiving, more than 100,000 Texans have committed to volunteering for Hillary and hundreds more are signing up daily. In the coming days, the campaign will announce the opening of 20 offices statewide to accommodate Hillary’s tremendous level of support.

The lady has earned her spurs – Deep in the heart of Texas.

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2,002 thoughts on “Deep In The Heart . . .

  1. I just wanted to ask that we try and get back to not bashing Obama as much and spreading Hillary love. For every negative thing we say about Obama, let’s point out the good things. I feel like I’m missing her speeches lately or stuff like that because it gets burried in the Obama posts. This board is about Hillary.

  2. LJ, a great sentiment, but you forget that admin has placed a heavy emphasis on Obama’s Rezko connection, which promises to be his downfall.

    Yes, lift Hillary up .. to the highest. But don’t forget that this plagiarizing, phony poser is the reason she is having to fight so hard to overcome.

  3. LJ,
    agreed…. but, there are clear differences between the two and if we dont point them out here, who will?

    and…. BO is constantly bashing Hillary but he does it in such a suave and slick way no one calls him on it so we have to.

  4. Also,

    As far as us Hillary plagiarizing Obama, I was the one, on the bleachers at Hillary’s results party on Super Tuesday in Manhattan Ballroom who started the “Yes She Can” chant when Candy Crowly begun to be interviewed. I thought how wonderful it would be to be ironic when they said we would be finished on Super Tuesday. So call me a plagiarizer if you want, but LEAVE HILLARY ALONE.

  5. I also keep asking about endorsments….the reason is, because endorsments can help start momentum, which we could use right now. So where does JE and Bill Richardson stand?? (and we could of used Russ Finegold)!

  6. PLAGIARISM CHECKER

    Someone asked about this the other day. There are two online checkers. one at:
    http://www.plagiarismchecker.com/

    this one check 30 words only at a time, soyou have to pick yur parts:) It also does entire webapges. Now i tried to do the Evil Doers site but it did not work, came back with errors. If anyone knows a site that contains his speeches that is not on his official website, go for it.

    The next online checker is here:
    http://www.neilstoolbox.com/plagiarism-tester/

    it does 50 words at a time, so again, you have to pick your parts:) When you get results back obviously the first result will be Obams speech itself as it is the most recent use of said phrase. But if you go down and click more results you get more.

    Perhaps some of you will be able to decide what parts “sound” like they might have come form someone else or have been used in the past. Good luck!!

  7. H44 provides an excellent resource for all Hillary supporters as well as a good place to alert the media (hi Ben) to what is going on locally and on the internet. It’s virtually impossible for any one person to keep track of it all. Personally, I think H44 rocks in this regard. Keep it up, Hillfans .. go admin!

  8. PLAGIARISM & TEXAS POLLS

    FOX news opened with these two stories after the Castro thing this AM.
    Said hill and Satan are in dead heat in Texas polls, is this true? I only get fox because Rupert Murdoch owns our cable company over here………..and CNN Europe but they only do short reports on the USA unless it’s actual election coverage.

    Secondly FOX have been reporting all morning on the plagiarism thing, showing side by side videos of NObama and Deval, but more often than not they then follow up with stating that Hillary said “yes we can” etc, in an attempt to lessen NObamas lies,. but several talking head pundits have been on since and they are giving it more scrutiny and several have actually said it is worrying for Obama because he places himself as some how a more honest candidate. They pointed out that Obama was the first one to attack Hillary on honesty, so this now calls Obama into question, HA!

  9. Great post, admin.

    The more reminders of Hillary’s years of work for people, the better. I think many don’t know or have forgotten, and so don’t understand how ready she is to be president.

  10. I really hope this copying/borrowing/forgot the attribution/PLAGERISM comes up during the debate. In fact, Im confident it will.

    Hillary can show that she is it above it all and bring it home. Its really not just about copying the words of others and presenting them as your own. Its about the lack of SUBSTANCE behind those words. Where is the FOUNDATION? Where is the BACKGROUND? Where is the EXPERIENCE?

    Then she can rattle off the list of others he has copied:
    Senator, you’ve borrowed words from many individuals, and these are very quotable people:
    Martin Luther King Jr,
    Rev. Wright,
    Alice Walker
    Malcolm X…. well Spike Lee’s version of him
    and others.

    But in the end, all of these people had great words and great actions to back them up. What are your great actions? Where is the substance?

  11. Morning all.

    I slept late (past 6 am for me is late). Just coming in from the cold after feeding the critters and fiinally having coffee.

    Any news?

  12. Trying again! I forgot to remove h t t p! Sorry if double posts.

    From HC.com Blog:
    WASHINGTON PRIMARY

    From WA Secretary of State Sam Reed

    http://www.secstate.wa.gov/office/osos_news.aspx?i...

    General Information
    Issued: February 18, 2008

    Olympia… Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed is reminding people to vote their mail ballots. Time is running out to nominate a candidate for President of the United States.

    Tomorrow Washington is scheduled to hold its Presidential Primary but only two counties, King and Pierce, will run poll sites. All other counties are conducting the entire election by mail. Because today is President’s Day and U.S. mail will not be picked up or delivered, Reed is encouraging voters to personally take their ballots to their county election department or county drop-off locations. In King and Pierce voters may drop-off their ballots at polling sites. Polls will be open from 7:00am until 8:00pm.

    According to state law, all ballots must be postmarked by tomorrow, Tuesday, February 19, 2008.

    Reed is predicting a record-breaking turnout. He expects 47 percent of registered voters to participate in Tuesday’s Presidential Primary and special elections.

    —–

    FYI: Washington has nearly 4 million registered voters.

    I’ve totalled nearly 800,000 statewide absentee ballots already returned.

    I expect to see Hillary’s support much greater in WA than what that embarrassing caucus proclaimed.

    by MDriftmeyer at 2/19/2008 2:42:19 AM

  13. Sorry if this posts more than once. I obviously need more coffee. There was an attribution in a url but it keeps getting caught in spam.

    From HRC Blog

    General Information
    Issued: February 18, 2008

    Olympia… Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed is reminding people to vote their mail ballots. Time is running out to nominate a candidate for President of the United States.

    Tomorrow Washington is scheduled to hold its Presidential Primary but only two counties, King and Pierce, will run poll sites. All other counties are conducting the entire election by mail. Because today is President’s Day and U.S. mail will not be picked up or delivered, Reed is encouraging voters to personally take their ballots to their county election department or county drop-off locations. In King and Pierce voters may drop-off their ballots at polling sites. Polls will be open from 7:00am until 8:00pm.

    According to state law, all ballots must be postmarked by tomorrow, Tuesday, February 19, 2008.

    Reed is predicting a record-breaking turnout. He expects 47 percent of registered voters to participate in Tuesday’s Presidential Primary and special elections.

    —–

    FYI: Washington has nearly 4 million registered voters.

    I’ve totalled nearly 800,000 statewide absentee ballots already returned.

    I expect to see Hillary’s support much greater in WA than what that embarrassing caucus proclaimed.

    by MDriftmeyer at 2/19/2008 2:42:19 AM

  14. If the popular vote in WA goes to Hillary, then playing by BO’s new rules, the delegates should support the popular vote.

  15. B Merry,

    Take note of this article by David Jackson of Chicago Tribune this morning where he says Obama never told him last year about touring his house with Rezko.

    Obama: I toured home with Rezko
    By David Jackson and Bob Secter | Tribune reporters
    2:44 AM CST, February 19, 2008

    Before he bought his South Side mansion in 2005, Sen. Barack Obama took his friend and fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko on a tour of the premises to make sure it was a good deal, Obama’s campaign revealed Monday.

    Weeks after saying he’d answered all questions about his controversial dealings with the now-indicted Rezko, Obama released new details about their purchase of adjacent lots from the same seller on the same day. But the disclosures by Obama’s presidential campaign left unanswered questions and raised new ones.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story

  16. Again, from HC. Com blogs. They have been trying to organize this for a few weeks now.

    Million American March for Hillary

    I DID IT!!! I started an event for this March! We need to get this planned now if it is going to happen! It is in MO, zip code 65101 if you wish to look it up. If someone from each state (whoever does it first!?) could plan an event (use the tool here on this website) at the state capitol (same date/time) we can pull this off! PLEASE let’s be sure to cover the upcoming primary states! TX, OH, PA, RI. BUT ALL states can and should participate! Check out the MO event and follow suit everyone!!! YES WE WILL!!!

    **Feel free to copy/paste this on other blogs as posted by me hill2thehill** Thanks!

    by Hill2theHill at 2/19/2008 3:43:47 AM

  17. Great post by Taylor Marsh:

    Michelle Obama Does Not Speak for Me

    “For the first time in my adult lifetime I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.” – Michelle Obama (video)

  18. ROFLMAO!!!!

    David Brooks has written the most intelligent Op-Ed of his career!!!

    “His Hopeness tells rallies that we are the change we have been waiting for, but if we are the change we have been waiting for then why have we been waiting since we’ve been here all along?”

    ps Im quoting him above.

  19. Ronald, I read that last night and thought that was the BEST LINE too!

    Boy, the tv folks are scrambling to try to make a silk purse outta a sows ear with BO. LOL

  20. Meiyingsu at 8:54 am

    I like this quote from the article you linked:

    “all these people buying into a dream and not caring about the fine print.

    That is so true. People need to start reading the fine print of BHO’s campaign.

  21. Sigh, no events planned in Florida (Tampa Bay), I’m going to have to check with the local Democratic Party to see if anything is up.

    Can’t she come to Florida now and do at least a fundraiser, I really be up for that, take some photos for everyone.

  22. Larry King last night was TERRIBLE.

    Hillary is telling it like it is- BO copied someone else’s words and he should be accountable. They want to turn it on her for calling his bluff but that’s BS

  23. “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”

    That BHO statement really hit home. One blind blogger had this to say about it:

    “I get chills even now as I write this. It was one of the most powerful things I’ve ever heard anyone say.”

    ndnblog.org/node/1892

    I believe I may be the only the third person to ever read that amazing blog. Don’t bother. It isn’t worth your time.

  24. What’s up with the campaign that they seem to schedule venues where there isn’t enough room for everyone? Is this a strategy or poor planning?

    Example (change the dot):

    toledoblade dot com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/NEWS09/802180338/0/NEWS08

  25. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign intends to go after delegates whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she needs them to win the nomination.

    This strategy was confirmed to me by a high-ranking Clinton official on Monday. And I am not talking about superdelegates, those 795 party big shots who are not pledged to anybody. I am talking about getting pledged delegates to switch sides.

    Pledged delegates aren’t bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or at the first ballot. They’ll be promised the moon and stars by the Clinton campaign to switch to her.

    “I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after everybody’s delegates,” a senior Clinton official told me Monday afternoon. “All the rules will be going out the window.”

    Rules of good behavior, maybe. But, in fact, the actual rules of the party allow for such switching. The notion that pledged delegates must vote for a certain candidate is, according to the Democratic National Committee, a “myth.”

  26. Really nice post admin. Oy vey, gaytexans for Hillary….I love it 🙂

    I know how important good precinct captains are, believe me, and I hope we get all areas covered.

  27. Today’s NYTimes David Brooks wrote this (I’d just give the link, but you’d need to establish a login)

    When the Magic Fades
    E-MailPrint Save Share
    Del.icio.usDiggFacebookNewsvinePermalinkBy DAVID BROOKS
    Published: February 19, 2008
    At first it seemed like a few random cases of lassitude among Mary Chapin Carpenter devotees in Berkeley, Cambridge and Chapel Hill. But then psychotherapists began to realize patients across the country were complaining of the same distress. They were experiencing the first hints of what’s bound to be a national phenomenon: Obama Comedown Syndrome.

    The afflicted had already been through the phases of Obama-mania — fainting at rallies, weeping over their touch screens while watching Obama videos, spending hours making folk crafts featuring Michelle Obama’s face. These patients had experienced intense surges of hope-amine, the brain chemical that fuels euphoric sensations of historic change and personal salvation.

    But they found that as the weeks went on, they needed more and purer hope-injections just to preserve the rush. They wound up craving more hope than even the Hope Pope could provide, and they began experiencing brooding moments of suboptimal hopefulness. Anxious posts began to appear on the Yes We Can! Facebook pages. A sense of ennui began to creep through the nation’s Ian McEwan-centered book clubs.

    Up until now The Chosen One’s speeches had seemed to them less like stretches of words and more like soul sensations that transcended time and space. But those in the grips of Obama Comedown Syndrome began to wonder if His stuff actually made sense. For example, His Hopeness tells rallies that we are the change we have been waiting for, but if we are the change we have been waiting for then why have we been waiting since we’ve been here all along?

    Patients in the grip of O.C.S. rarely express doubts at first, but in a classic case of transference, many experience slivers of sympathy for Hillary Clinton. They see her campaign morosely traipsing from one depressed industrial area to another — The Sitting Shiva for America Tour. They see that her entire political strategy consists of waiting for primary states as boring as she is.

    They feel for her. They feel guilty because the entire commentariat now treats her like Richard Nixon. Are liberal elites rationalizing their own betrayal of her? Is Hillary just another fading First Wife thrown away for the first available Trophy Messiah?

    As the syndrome progresses, they begin to ask questions about The Presence himself:

    Barack Obama vowed to abide by the public finance campaign-spending rules in the general election if his opponent did. But now he’s waffling on his promise. Why does he need to check with his campaign staff members when deciding whether to keep his word?

    Obama says he is practicing a new kind of politics, but why has his PAC sloshed $698,000 to the campaigns of the superdelegates, according to the Center for Responsive Politics? Is giving Robert Byrd’s campaign $10,000 the kind of change we can believe in?

    If he values independent thinking, why is his the most predictable liberal vote in the Senate? A People for the American Way computer program would cast the same votes for cheaper.

    And should we be worried about Obama’s mountainous self-confidence?

    These doubts lead O.C.S. sufferers down the path to the question that is the Unholy of the Unholies for Obama-maniacs: How exactly would all this unity he talks about come to pass?

    How is a 47-year-old novice going to unify highly polarized 70-something committee chairs? What will happen if the nation’s 261,000 lobbyists don’t see the light, even after the laying on of hands? Does The Changemaker have the guts to take on the special interests in his own party — the trial lawyers, the teachers’ unions, the AARP?

    The Gang of 14 created bipartisan unity on judges, but Obama sat it out. Kennedy and McCain created a bipartisan deal on immigration. Obama opted out of the parts that displeased the unions. Sixty-eight senators supported a bipartisan deal on FISA. Obama voted no. And if he were president now, how would the High Deacon of Unity heal the breach that split the House last week?

    The victims of O.C.S. struggle against Obama-myopia, or the inability to see beyond Election Day. But here’s the fascinating thing: They still like him. They know that most of his hope-mongering is vaporous. They know that he knows it’s vaporous.

    But the fact that they can share this dream still means something. After the magic fades and reality sets in, they still know something about his soul, and he knows something about theirs. They figure that any new president is going to face gigantic obstacles. At least this candidate seems likely to want to head in the right direction. Obama’s hype comes from exaggerating his powers and his virtues, not faking them.

    Those afflicted with O.C.S. are no longer as moved by his perorations. The fever passes. But some invisible connection seems to persist.

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&

  28. Bmerry, for you from TM’s site (if you have not already seen it:

    Lots more copycatting cited here, on McCain site:

    blogs4mccain.com/2008/02/16/obama-clinton-copycat/

    fumiste | 02.19.2008 – 04:16 am | #

  29. SurveyUSA has a Texas poll out…Texas, Hill +5….We have our work cut out here folks…..dig in deep, put your cowboy boots on, and Viva Hillary!

  30. Hi Spacegirl, I’m in Clearwater (work) and live in IRB. Transplant from Los Angeles, not much culture here, but the day to day living (i.e. highway traffic) and relatively inexpensive lifestyle (compared to LA) just can’t be beat. St. Pete is cool, especially downtown, nice Bohemian feel.

  31. CNN is full of it! This morning they were reporting on Hawaii and the anchor asks “How did you get this lucky assignment” she responds “The audacity of hope, I guess” and then the anchor says something like “That’s better than experience.” What happened to reporting the news, not commenting on it?

  32. A very large FU to start the morning to Sen. Pat. Leahy, who’s recording radio spots for BO.

    Payback time’s gonna be sweet!

  33. Forget the media…..they served our purpose yesterday. Solidify Hillary voters, make undecideds question Obambi and by virtue of that, potentially swing Wisconsin in our favor. It was actually a beautiful thing to watch. Now with Michelle putting her foot in her mouth every time she speaks and Rezko coming up, the perfect storm is arriving.

  34. “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”
    “I get chills even now as I write this. It was one of the most powerful things I’ve ever heard anyone say.” ndnblog.org/node/1892

    I went to that blog to tell them that it’s a powerful statement — used by Alice Walker and some Hopis long ago. But so much registration and captcha nonsense that I got mad and closed the window. (It wanted cookies enabled so I went and found how to do that but then it still didn’t work.)

    Sounded like naive but sincere blogger worth
    educating.

  35. 1950,
    Apparently it’s easier to register in WI – even if you’re a republican!

    Keep that in mind when watching results tonight!

  36. Psymac, I live in Old NE. Working out at Madeira tomorrow. I have a lot of clients out at the beach. The sociaal life here is not to my liking at all. Maybe we can get together for a coffee or cocktail with some other VERY COOL Hillary supporters I know, gay men and women and plan more HC support. email me at spacegirlart@gmail.com

  37. I sure wish UBL or someone like that would come out and say he looks forward to working with an Obama Administration! LOL

  38. If you guys that are from L.A. are moving to St. Pete/Clearwater/Tampa…………you are moving the wrong side of Florida (lifestyle wise). You will want to go down to Boca Raton/Miami area for something similar to LA.

  39. kaffeen, but I don’t want a repeat of LA, lol.

    Had enough of all that fast life, went to clubs, concerts, Melrose, Malibu, Big Bear, etc. But two hours to drive 25 miles to work in thick smog with an increasing crime rate and silly expensive homes was not my cup of tea. This middle size city is just right, I can fly to culture, snow anytime.

  40. Psymac…….I understand completely. I feel the same way, I can fly anywhere I want. Being in Austin, Texas puts me in the center of the country. Anything is just a few hours away.

    SpaceGirlArt, sounds like Boca/Miami is what your looking for. That is the “fast lane”. 🙂

  41. Austin is cool, great music scene, lush, green, lots of lakes, not what most people think is Texas (e.g. Crawford, lol).

  42. OK, where is Idunn, did she drink her coffee yet?

    BTW, will the fact that the BO campaign tried to hijack voting by encouraging independants and Rips to register and vote just to knock HRC out, will that be discussed with the superdelegates in deciding the nominee?

  43. mY POST OH hc.COM BLOG

    We as Americans must look at this election in it’s real light. What is happening here? It has been the “plan” of the GOP via Rove to split the Dem Party and be done with it. Isn’t it odd that SUDDENLY, out of no where, we have a tried and true candidate in Hillary Clinton (the GOP’s NIGHTMARE) and this YouTube candidate backed by big media all the way and a bunch of messianic supporters who are like ants all over the web, bashing, splintering, not allowed to talk BO positions…etc. I HATE conspiracy theories, but I believe we are seeing one in action. This is not going to work. WE MUST SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER. This is becoming rigged. Yes, rigged. And it is for the advantage of the GOP. This is not a “Movement”, it is an attempted takeover of our Constitutional Rights as citizens to exercise our voice and our vote. The media, especially MSNBC, owned by GE, one of the biggest defense contractors in the world to scuttle the election of the ONLY candidate who really will REFORM Washington. There is NO WAY the Conservative columnists like George Will, Charles Krautheimer (sp) Bill Kristol or any other would throw such support behind a wet-behind-the-ears pol whi said to Time Russert he had no itention of running for President when he was first elected to the Senate. Look it up. He was compromised. Rezko? Something else? Bought? We do not know. But even in ALL of our desires for change, THIS IS NOT A PHENOMENON, by natural evolution, it is a FIX that screams of Fanaticism. We had better get on the ball even more and get HRC to the Oval Office or we will not have another chance as the Democratic Party for MANY YEARS. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Look at the FACTS. The election is being rigged. Even to the point of “Democrat for a Day” (google it) and caucus packing. This is a wet dream of someone other than the Founding Fathers and we had better get with it. Doug Wilder PRedicting violence? WE CANNOT STAND FOR THIS. IT WILL SHAPE A FUTURE WE WILL ALL REGRET.

  44. Thanks Spacegirl, great post.

    kaffen, looks like Texas is going well for HRC

    dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/021908dnedimckenzievp.94a3ed2.html

  45. OK, where is Idunn, did she drink her coffee yet?

    Working on it. Had to field a call from my not right in the head sister.

    Oye vey.

  46. The Page by Mark Harperin has the Rezko Story now…
    Link: thepage.time.com/2008/02/19/chicago-seller-obama-bought-home-without-rezko-discount/

    Report of the Rally last night will come tonight, with pictures…

  47. thanks all…HC.com didn’t post it 🙁 too radical, i spoze. But bots are all over the place there.

    I MUST do some real work for pay for a while LOL…back later, but I will have my eye out there

  48. demhawk, He is not doing us any favour. He is posting it because the sellers are saying that they sold without RezKo discount. He only posts stuff favorable to Obambi.

  49. Interesting that the people who sold/gave their house to Obama are just coming out about it now. I wonder what pressure and from whom was put on them to put such a spin on the sale.

  50. JanH: we will see what more there is to it when they are called upon to testify as I believe they will. It is a transaction which is material to the overall investigation and relevant to the charges. If there was pressure brought to bear on them that may bring further charges of witness tampering.

  51. The use of someone elses speech material not just once but many times and his appropriation of the substantive policy positions of others including Hillary with respect to health care and the economy proves that he is all smoke and mirrors.

  52. Good Morning all! Has MO made anymore dumbass remarks?

    I was looking at the SUSA Texas poll and Hillary leads Obama among DEMOCRATIC voters 55-41. it’s the indies and repubs who are messing things up!

    Off to vote in my meaningless primary where half the registered voters in the state are expected to participate while less than 10% did in the caucus! YAY Washington!

  53. Interesting that the people who sold/gave their house to Obama are just coming out about it now. I wonder what pressure and from whom was put on them to put such a spin on the sale.

    No doubt certain “people” follow this page, or any number of other pages and KNOW that many of us have been trying to find out the names of the people who sold Obama his dream home. It was going to come out…THAT was a given. They are merely trying to circumvent disaster.

    Now all we “seekers” have to do is connect the dots….just who exactly ARE Dr. Frederic Wondisford and his wife, Dr. Sally Radovick?

    The dots are becoming a clear picture, folks.

  54. Cindy Mccain says “Very proud to be an American”. Asked audience if they heard Michelle’s comments. Fox has been talking about it from morning and they want to know what people think.

  55. Smackdown on Michelle Obama at (Warning: some content may cause nausea) HotAir
    Link: hotair.com/archives/2008/02/18/michelle-obama-hasnt-been-proud-of-america-in-at-least-26-years/comment-page-1/#comments

    It turns out that some people there are willing to vote Hillary to deny Obama the nomination, and to ‘see Michelle Obama’s head explode’.

  56. wbboei,

    “The use of someone elses speech material not just once but many times and his appropriation of the substantive policy positions of others including Hillary with respect to health care and the economy proves that he is all smoke and mirrors.”

    That is it exactly. I kept waiting for Larry King and the others to say that this was a trend…to mention McCain’s campaign mention of Obama stealing her economy plan, etc…. but nothing.

  57. Thanks B, hopefully this will get more traction.

    (If I’m a little jumpy, it because of this darn Atkins diet, no carbs!)

  58. 1950s democrat: not only would many Hillary supporters vote for McCain if Obama is the democratic candidate but some of them might even go to work for the other party and take an active role in exposing Obama and the media for the fraud they are. These are decent people who see him for what he really is and feel they owe that much to the country. He will do nothing for the people who need help. The point is academic however because my sense is he will never make it to the White House.

  59. so someone’s copying and pasting on another site… interesting….

    welp…not me. you can click on my username and see me!

    why is someone doing that anyway? its stupid. they didnt make a point, except to let us know that they are “watching us.” which is pretty creepy and a waste of time!

  60. Doug Wilder is an ass and with any luck he will be the first one the rioters take out.

    And the church said, “Amen.”

  61. wbboei, interesting post. I thought of that myself, if McCain wins isn’t he just a one term prez (age)? And the Dems then have another go….

  62. Diva, stick some of your best chicken recipes on there when you get a chance. I’m trying to end my addiction to red meat and need about 50 new chicken dishes.

  63. Looking forward to Taylor Marsh today, is anybody able to get her radio show live on the internet? I’m only able to get the podcast, but then again, I using Macs.

  64. Bill Kristol on Fox says MO’s comments are revealing as an inside to the thinking of the campaign. Basically, she and BHO are a product of all the progress the US has made. So, she is saying what, exactly? It’s BHO or the country is going to hell in a handbasket?

  65. Anyway, who gives a rats ass that we have spies? It’s not like little old Pink has magical powers or anything. 😉

    :: reaches for gopher testes to add to the pot::

  66. If Hillary targets BHO’s delegates, she can claim she learned it from his hero, Ted Kennedy. TK made a very serious effort to do that at the convention when he ran against Carter. It was full court press. Maybe is Hillary gets to them before they get there it might work better.

  67. Right Idunn, I don’t know how about all white part, as I did grow up in the latino barrio, attended mixed race schools, lived in Mississippi for five years, and married both an Egyptian and Asian.

  68. It’s BHO or the country is going to hell in a handbasket?

    Yes Merry…because you see, Bambi IS hope. Without Bambi there is no hope for hope. Geez, try to pay attention, will ya?

  69. @bmarry: that is exactly what i think… the plagiarism, her comments… it all speaks to their arrogance and ungratefulness… both of them have grad degrees from harvard and live in a 1.65 million dollar mansion in chicago… where else does she think this could have been possible? they are both products of all of the good things this country has to offer!!! AND this is what she thinks of it? she makes me sick!

  70. As I sit here listening to my reggaeton, I ponder, what will I take with me to campaign in May and June???

    Now I have a vision of Hawk as Frank Azzarias character in The Bird Cage.

    LOL!

  71. Well, I know I am new here, but I am a white, 52 year old Jewish woman so I don’t think it’s me.

    As well…lol…they are watching us…so what? Don’t they have anything better to do? 😉

  72. Yes, hawk, it is. They usually can’t stay pro-Hillary for long without a lapse. In addition, they usually try to sneak some propaganda in as a pro-Hill comment.

  73. Psymac: yes, which is why Huckabee will not be his vp candidate. Whoever he selects will be a presidnet in waiting–in my opinion.

    I have a friend who is and has been since 2000 the State Campaign Manager for McCain. What most people do not know about McCain is the riveting stories he can tell about his life and ordeals–cross in the sand, etc. These are morality plays and they have nothing to do with cocaine and plageriasm. And unlike Barry he is no shill for special interests.

    If the Democratic Party hopes to win the next election they need to get behind Hillary and so does the country. Shakespeare was not the only one to note the profound difference between February and November.

  74. Yes Kaffeen. Most of us know I think, deep down.

    Idunn, I have never seen the Bird Cage, but I heart reggaeton, like Wisin & Yandel, love them!!!!!!!

  75. Hey, what’s up with the justhillary.com site, is it for or against? Looks mostly against to me, but has some useful links.

  76. the mole… there is someone that everyone accuses of being a mole every night… how do you know??? i’m naive abt stuff like that… why would they post though? they could just watch us since our comments are public.

  77. It’s me, I’ve been spying on me but I didn’t want myself to find out.

    So what you’re saying, Merry , is that YOU are the one you’ve been waiting for?

  78. Justhillary posts good and bad things and they like to post bad things more I think. I just use the Hillary-tracker there to see where she is.

  79. Right wbboei, BO is going to look like the preK kid next to McCain, and nobody (other than HRC) is a better fighter than McCain.

    So, I’ll just say it outloud (and risk a mole label), that if McCain wins in Nov against BO, then doesn’t HRC have another chance in 2012?

  80. Could we possibly be looking at 2 upsets this evening???

    Democrats Expect Rare Turnout for Hawaii Caucus

    Sen. Obama, of Illinois, is the presumed favorite in the caucus because he was born in Hawaii and graduated from one of its high schools . Labor unions and prominent Sen. Daniel Inouye are backing Sen. Clinton, of New York.

    youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/18/democrats-expect-rare-turnout-for-hawaii-caucus/

  81. Do a Google search for “bluediamond” + Obama and you’ll get a gizillion pro-Obama, anti-Hillary posts. I’d bet dollars to donuts that this is one of his paid bloggers.

  82. @idunn: the acronym… that seems to be what everyone thinks… i think i know why…

    i prefer the line from jimmy buffett:

    “we are the people our parents warned us about….” thats more appilcable if you ask me! 😉

  83. Q: How does one wait for oneself? If I am the one I am waiting for, or we if I want to be inclusive, what am I supposed to do? Hope? Find some loose change lying around? I dont get it.

    Myself I usually wait as long as I can and then I crawl out of bed in the morning and go pee.

    Problem solved. No more waiting.

  84. I voted! Woo. There was no one there and only 3 people had signed in before I did, but its only 9am and like 90% of washington votes absentee.

  85. The scary part of all this is that his campaign condones this garbage. He actually believes he is the second coming and anything goes no matter how blatantly corrupt.

    The fact that the media and his cult followers continue to believe everything that comes out of his mouth is very worrisome.

    What I like about this site is that it keeps poking holes into his halo…I’m waiting for a lot of leakage and when it comes it will be of avalanche proportions.

  86. idunn
    every read Geek Love by Katherine Dunn she wrote it as a response to the Guyanna (SP?) tragedy. I think you might appreciate it.

  87. It’s me…I’m the mole. I’ve tried to disarm you all with my wit and my intelligence, but alas. You’ve discovered me for the Blue Diamond smoked almond that I am. 🙁

    Just let me back out of here slowly….nobody try anything funny…

  88. They checked my ID today and my address and made me sign and declare a party. Which is more than they did for the caucus.

    My dog didn’t vote today. She’s an activist so the caucus is more her deal. And I think she supports McCain. She’s huge on national security.

  89. Hi everyone.

    Just a question: Did the plagiarism and Michelle Obama being not proud of US make into local Wisconsin or Hawaian news?

  90. every read Geek Love by Katherine Dunn

    Never heard of that, Tim. But I just made note of it on my reading list. I just finished The Seduction Of Hillary Rodham. Now I’m getting ready to start Richard Prestons The Wild Trees. But I’ll keep an eye out for Geek Love when I go to the used book store this weekend. Thanks.

  91. Yet an investigation by The Mail on Sunday has revealed that, for all Mr Obama’s reputation for straight talking and the compelling narrative of his recollections, they are largely myth.

    We have discovered that his father was not just a deeply flawed individual but an abusive bigamist and an egomaniac, whose life was ruined not by racism or corruption but his own weaknesses.

    And, devastatingly, the testimony has come from Mr Obama’s own relatives and family friends.

  92. we are the ones we have been waiting for….thats why when you look in the mirror every morning that person keeps looking back at you with a funny look, you know. a question mark. you know how people look at you as ask what you are lookinf for? now we can answer ” i was what i was looking for” i can’t believe people buy into this crap. where have we been? what have we been doing all these years…

  93. I rec’d a great response from every firehouse i went to in the pittsburgh area with a copy of the newsday’s coverage of the fdny’s endorsement of hill. and i have gone to 17.

  94. “His boasting proved his undoing and left him without a job, plunged him into prolonged poverty and dangerously wounded his ego.””

    the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree now, does it?

  95. Good! I hope it will influence some undecided people. His whole campaign legacy was built on his speeches. It should be a big disappointment to find out that he borrows so many catching phrases.

  96. What are you guys’ take on G.E polling, it is showing Hillary Losing to McCain and Obama leading EVERYWHERE, even in PA, why is this, and will it change by G.E time?
    The thing I find weird is that in these polls B.O wins women by bigger margins, I just don’t believe that will be true. Women will vote for Hillary in big numbers

  97. I’m pretty lazy so if I’m waiting for myself I’m screwed.

    Someone should drop Michelles lovely american pride remark off with the firefighters.

  98. rigso,

    I hate polls…they are so dishonest. I think exit-polling may say something but the others are very self-serving in my honest opinion.

  99. divabunny,

    the dailymail really hit the nail on the head. BO has faked so much of life story to make a good story you just dont know what to believe.

    … or wait just “believe in Obama”

  100. The thing about General Election polls NOW. Is that there is still a whole lot of campaigning left for whoever is the nominee and the point of that campaigning is to WIN OVER votes. So polls that claim Hillary losing to McCain or McCain beating Barack are really pointless ONE because there are two people in the race for us Demos and two the candidates will be out for months changing people’s minds.

  101. I think some of the ICH story is a little Orwellian, however, this paragraph is a fairly historical representation of fascist governments coming to power. Think Italy, think Germany…I am sure there are others, but I am painting pink flamingos right now and have to stay centered on that !

    ” Since 9/11 America has certainly turned into a top-down police state, but true post-modern fascism requires a popular movement to usher it into power. Bush has created a dictatorship out of the Presidency, now the next step towards fascism is being marketed to exploit the desire for change. The depressed national mood, due to the war and economic recession/depression has compromised sane reasoning and courageous opposition needed now more than ever. This has created the conditions for a newcomer to magically appear with a message of hope, using the mantra ‘Change’, wrapped in a swooning fever that has infected the young and left liberal excuse machines, such as ‘Move On’ who were never serious about stopping Bush/ Cheney and the war.

  102. @rigso: get down from the ledge! its just the way that the poll is being taken…

    the people taking the poll only asked dem caucus voters. as expected, bho supporters qualified their pick as a stronger match against McCain. clinton supporters answers followed the same pattern. they obviously got the result they expected. this concluded that whichever candidate won in that particular caucus would beat mccain easily, and whoever lost the caucus would lose to mccain. we obvi know that obama is winning the cauci, so this is why these polls lean towards him… this is a dirty and underhanded way of swaying the democratic vote in primary regarding the gen election.

  103. Hey maybe shouldn’t mention this but after speaking with some of the men in uniform and explaining that as a ny’er i was pleasantly suprised by her performance with regards to first responders and later with long term care for those effected, i rec’d from the men in blue biz cards. to bad i don’t know how to drive as those cards can come in handy

  104. Cindy McCain responds to Michelle Obama “proud” comments

    embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/cindy-mccain-responds-to-michelle-obama-proud-comments/

  105. Isn’t it “funny” that the economy (which is bad) suddenly became the story. the war went away (except for bambi to claim he had telepathic powers) and HC would have burned his ass on that.

    Bambi has NO Natl Security experience, is comments on Pakistan and hanging out with terrorist governments to chat speaks to that. Could the “It’s the economy stupid” advance been orchestrated too, as an advantage to Bambi?” just a thought

  106. hi all, no I’m not the mole LOL

    anyone else see this or has it been posted:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/opinion/19brooks.html?ref=opinion

    hopemania and hopeium…we’ve seen that for a long time,

    this is a fascinating editorial. I highly doubt big media will ever get it though.

    I’ve already decided should we fall…I’ll turn so fast on this party they won’t know which way the wind blew and I think a lot of other people feel the same way.

  107. Well, I won’t vote for McCain, but I promise not to hate those of you who do. 😉

    (if the worst case scenario should ever happen, mind you)

  108. @kaff: that has been good for us in the other states…. i know they are expecting 30% (HUGE) turnout in WI today as well.

    @dot: yep read that this morning… great article!

  109. kaffeen, ldidn’t you or some yesterday send stuff to media? Wouldn’t that article on the lies about his dad be a good one to alert media to.

    Hillary’s campaign can’t mention jackshit because they get called to the carpet. Got to have a friend somewhere in the media who will expose this stuff for what it is.

  110. Just got off the phone with my hard core republican mother in Seattle. She voted absentee, secretly for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Dont tell anyone here I did that. I will be very disappointed if she doesnt win!

    I think absentee ballots favor Hillary.

  111. “Dont tell anyone here I did that. I will be very disappointed if she doesn’t win!”

    should have been in ” “s. I didnt mean to steal, er … borrow my mothers words.

    😛

  112. Ugh…noooooo. Way too many skeletons in MY closet. ::shudders at mere thought::

    But anyway…there’s been a serious plane crash and several residents of the fictious town of Salem are in trouble, so I have to go watch over their progress.

    I curse my mother for getting me addicted to Days Of Our Lives when I was but a child. 🙁

  113. Idunn,

    I have watched DOOL for years too. I haven’t liked a lot in the past few years but for me at least it is starting to get a lot better. 🙂

  114. # divabunny Says:
    February 19th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    lies abt his dad: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=431908&in_page_id=1770
    ———————

    we have to go across the pond for the press. This is strong but I think he is a con artist to boot and the fact that he is able to fool so many people tells you something about the gullible public. Someone else made this comment about the fainting incidents video that I agree with it — there is no concern in his voice when he is reacting to those faints — it is all very strange and they always seem to happen where he can see.
    There is a sense of entitlement in both him and his wife as if they are owed something here — it is all very sickening. It also shows that without the financing (republican?) success his campaign would be nowhere and who said money can’t buy votes, it can in more ways than one.

  115. Idunn, that brought to mind the no bake cookies which are a big hit here in my part of Tn.

    Called cow splatters. They are really good too.COW SPLATTERS
    4 ounces butter or margarine
    1/2 cup milk
    2 cups sugar
    1 cup semisweet chocolate chips
    3 to 4 tablespoons peanut butter, optional
    3 cups oats, quick or old-fashioned
    1 teaspoon vanilla extract

    PREPARATION:
    Place chocolate chips, peanut butter (if used), oats, and vanilla in a large mixing bowl.
    Combine the margarine, milk, and sugar in a saucepan; bring to a rolling boil. Boil for 1 minute.
    Combine the hot mixture with the oatmeal and chocolate chip mixture; stir well.
    Drop by spoonfuls onto waxed paper.

  116. If the information coming out about Obama internationally does not get vetted by the media in North America then they are going to look like a bunch of dolts.

  117. I love the song and the video.

    There is nothing slick about it. It is very earnest. I dont get what the big deal is.

  118. guys, i have totally lost it now with the holier than thou left blogsphere with this monsanto charge crap, that letter from linn cohen-cole about farmers in india and monsanto pulls at the heart strings, no doubt. it points out that corporate ag business is trouble. we all know that.

    when you have to answer someone’s ridiculous attack against Hillary (and actually the Clintons in general), please do the research of where the attacks originate from and check, check, check the allegations. i see many allegations go un-answered and most of them are false and lacking sanity.

    here’s what i caught on talking points memo

    tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/02/an-open-letter-to-hillary-clin.php

    this shit just keeps up and it fucking is just pissing me off. as a scientist and environmental policy wonk myself, i 100% support clinton. obama’s campaign is lacking in depth regarding environmental policy, it’s just plain ludicrous to say that he’s superior to clinton.

    here’s a good comeback from a smart hillary supporter (actually all the hillary supporters left now are the only smart ones). remember this: the people who call us hillary supporters “stupid” are projecting what they know and hate about themselves onto other people. remember that. also, notice the comments and articles supporting hillary throughout the web. smart research and smart comebacks and strong willed/minded people….and most importantly, die hard democrats who more than likely fought like hell to get Bush out of the White House, not vote for the man, like many Obama supporters now did. fuck them all.

    here’s the comment I saw regarding the monsanto / indian farmers story:
    So the Rose Law Firm represented companies in the agriculture business. So? Does that mean that everyone is then guilty of wrongdoing? Every single lawyer, client, individual who ever walked through their doors is now criminally responsible for anything that has ever happened in the U.S.

    Of course, after I thought about it, this isn’t really Ann Coulter crap, it’s more Joe McCarthy crap – half truths, guilt by association, gossip, innuendo, smears and generally bullshit culled from conspiracy websites and fruitcakes, which is exactly where this was first published. Here’s a hint – Jackson Stephens never donated a penny to the Clintons. He was chair of Bush’s campaign in Arkansas. But don’t let a little fact like that stand in the way of a good smear, right? Here’s another hint – Mike Espy was acquitted of all 39 charges, he was Clinton’s sec. of Agriculture for one year and wasn’t indicted until 1997, an indictment of which, the jurors said was the most unsubstantiated, careless and false prosecution they had seen. So seeing that there are a few mistakes just by a short perusal, don’t you think it might have been irresponsible to publish this without any kind of corraboration?

    The site where this was first published, CarolBaker.net is linked to the Rense site, a holocaust denier, uh oh, does that make Obama a holocaust denier because some supporter here provided a link to a link of some silly crap? The site also links to 911 truth, the lead conspiracy wackjobs who insist 911 was an inside job. The letter also culls whole paragraphs from all kinds of wackjobs and nuts who have a keyboard and Google and nothing upstairs.

    But Larry, here, just dives right in – shortsighted, meanspirited, lacking in any kind of decency or responsiblity, Larry has a blog, and by God he’s going to publish any kind of crap he can find under the mistaken impression that this is a backyard fence and he can hang over it and gossip about the neighbors with no thought whatsoever that none of this might be true.

    I’m fed up it – it’s disgusting, it’s wingnut crap, it’s bullshit and the worst part is that it’s coming from Dems who ought to know better.

  119. If women are giving up on Hillary then they are nothing but a pack of fools. Good luck to them in a GE. I’ll be sitting that one out.

  120. re polls– dukakis was 30 points ahead of bush in 1988 right after the convention…kerry was 17 points ahead of bush in 2004…once the campaign gets started anything can happen..as far as the tracking poll…bho is getting all the positive press..it was bound to happen that he would move ahead in the polls.. we just have to keep being ” the little engine that could” like i tell my daughter, just keep putting one foot in front of the other…

  121. Doug Wilder is an ass and with any luck he will be the first one the rioters take out.

    Clinton targets pledged delegates

    Richmond Mayor L. Douglas Wilder predicted riots in the streets if the Clinton campaign were to overturn an Obama lead through the use of superdelegates.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8583.html
    ****************************************************
    Obama and his supporter throwing out the threats again. I’LL say this again, Obama is not FIT to be “Commander and Chief” of the Military. He’s a bully and a dictator because when he can’t get his way out comes the threats and talks of violence…it is so irresponsible and says much about his character and leadership abilities.

    But I don’t expect much from a crackhead! Oops I mean a “coke head” that is 2 seconds away from hitting the button, that can throw us into nuclear annihilation. I mean c’mon Obama must have learn those attibutes of “ball face” lying, cheating, stealing, and bullying all tactics the Obama campaign love to do.

    So I hope they keep up with the threat of riots because it reinforces the unfitness of Obama as Commander and Chief.

  122. MJ, the AA vote and male vote is understandable (IMO), I’m most disappointed with the women (non-AA). There definitely are very strong women on this site who are intelligent, understand the issues/candidates, and understand their place in history, but in the election process there are some lost souls out there and unfortunately alot of them are women. Hillary can’t win without them, that much is evident. *If* Hillary doesn’t win, in addition to bias and mainstream media, I believe the main demographic to blame will be the non-AA women who let it happen. Just my opinion.

  123. Ben Smith:

    Words, words

    I was pretty ready to let this one die, but Jake Tapper has an interesting catch: Deval Patrick’s explanation of when he handed that line off to Obama doesn’t work, timewise.

    Of course, there’s a plausible third contestant for the intellectual property rights here: David Axelrod.

    Tapper’s also got another pretty good example:

    Patrick in June 2006, at the Massachusetts Democratic party convention: “I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations.”

    Obama one year later, as quoted in USA Today: “I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations.”

  124. SO, WHAT HAPPENED? WHO CHANGED HIS MIND?

    MR. RUSSERT: There’s been enormous speculation about your political future, Senator. The man you succeeded in the Senate, Peter Fitzgerald, a Republican, said this recently. “I think there’s a very good chance that Senator Obama is on the Democratic ticket in 2008 as the vice presidential nominee.” Do you agree?

    SEN. OBAMA: No. You know, I can’t speculate on those kinds of things. What I have said is that, you know, I’m not focused on running for higher office, I’m focused on doing the job that the people of Illinois just sent me to do.

    MR. RUSSERT: But there seems to be an evolution in your thinking. This is what you told the Chicago Tribune last month: “Have you ruled out running for another office before your term is up?” Obama answer: “It’s not something I anticipate doing.” But when we talked back in November of ‘04 after your election I said, “There’s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?” Obama: “Absolutely.”

    SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.

    MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?

    SEN. OBAMA: I will not.

    MR. RUSSERT: Senator, thank you very much for your candor and for joining us and sharing your views.

  125. The vetting of all of Obama’s speeches begins…

    blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/deval-patricks.html

    Jake Tapper

    Deval Patrick’s Timeline Doesn’t Mesh with Reality
    February 19, 2008 11:42 AM

    Speaking to the New York Times Sunday, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick attempted to excuse his friend Sen. Barack Obama’s lifting of part of his October 2006 “Just words” speech.

    “In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week,” the Times’ Jeff Zeleny wrote. “Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.”

    But Obama was quoted using Patrick’s language before the Summer of 2007.

    “‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal.’ Those are just words,” Obama was quoted as saying in a March 19, 2007 New Republic story. ” ‘I have a dream.’ Just words.”

    So….the claim that Patrick an Obama “first” discussed this last Summer does not make sense.

    It should also be noted that in addition to the “Yes We Can” slogan that Obama used in 2004, Patrick used in 2006, and Obama uses today, other language from the two clients of political guru David Axelrod has come from both men’s mouths.

    To wit:

    Patrick in June 2006, at the Massachusetts Democratic party convention: “I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations.”

    Obama one year later, as quoted in USA Today: “I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations.”

    Just words?

    – jpt

  126. Morning Rezko Reading

    February 19, 2008 11:00 AM

    The Chicago Tribune weighs in today with a deeper look at the controversial land deal Barack Obama entered into with since-indicted political fixer Tony Rezko.

    Turns out before Obama bought the mansion (Rezko helped him by buying half the land), Obama took Rezko “on a tour of the premises to make sure it was a good deal, Obama’s campaign revealed Monday. Weeks after saying he’d answered all questions about his controversial dealings with the now-indicted Rezko, Obama released new details about their purchase of adjacent lots from the same seller on the same day. But the disclosures by Obama’s presidential campaign left unanswered questions and raised new ones.”

  127. Two weeks ’till Rezko dominates the news. Better get ready Obambi, your media crucifixion is coming……minute by minute we will get closer the truth.

  128. Emphasis should be placed on the value of the house as opposed to the property taxes he was paying. talk about boneheaded

  129. has anyone figured out WHY drudgereport took MO’s quote about pride off its page?

    First we had hope… then some loose change. Now we get proud for the first time ever and suddenly it disappears?

    how about that?

    like magical vapors

  130. Ronalds, He must have realized that it gives an edge to Hillary. They would really like to use it in the GE if BO is the nominee.

  131. sigh…obamatwits are all over CNN lambasting Hillary for not having a response to Castro stepping down. She has a very well documented response on her site and yet CNN chose to ignore it and quote McCain’s and her wannabe opponent’s statements.

  132. Interesting reading at WaPo…

    Obama has sought to hector superdelegates by suggesting that they dare not vote against the will of the people, though the superdelegates were made a part of the nominating process after the bitter campaign between Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy in 1980 to exercise independent judgment, if necessary.

    Then Gov. James Hunt of North Carolina, who chaired the commission that wrote the new rules governing the nomination process, made clear the role of superdelegates as envisioned by many elected officials in the party.

    “We must also give our convention more flexibility to respond to changing circumstances and, in case where the voters’ mandate is less than clear, to make a reasoned choice,” he said then, according to a doctoral dissertation written in 1986 by Elaine Kamarck, who is now a member of the DNC.

    Kamarck’s history is instructive today. The Clinton campaign’s provocative threat to go after pledged delegates does fall within the rules as constituted after 1980. If the Obama campaign finds this offensive, they should point their ire at Kennedy, who of course is Obama’s most prominent endorser.

    At the 1980 convention, Kennedy’s forces sought to go after delegates pledged to Carter. Then the rules binding pledged delegates were seemingly airtight. Kennedy tried to challenge the rule.

  133. At the 1980 convention, Kennedy’s forces sought to go after delegates pledged to Carter. Then the rules binding pledged delegates were seemingly airtight. Kennedy tried to challenge the rule.

  134. Just sent Obambi and the mole to MEdia Matters, highlighting Joe Scarbouroughanotherlyingpoliticalscumbag’s quote

  135. yeah, this whole patriotism and pride discussion really gets to me. i was against the iraq war from the start (yes, i really was; i have video tape of me and friends marching down a southern city’s main street protesting it before and got the same treatment then as i do now supporting hillary). but to say that you previously had no pride for your country and be running for POTUS now? oh, geeze. that truly pisses me off. it reminds me of someone just throwing up their hands and saying “fuck it” and turning your back on the freaking country and the service members who give their lives. sure, it’s bad policy but you do for your country and show your pride b/c you love your country UNCONDITIONALLY.

    maybe i’m just an old kind of patriot and strickly democratic. i don’t care how fucked up the politics get here in the US, i will ALWAYS almost cry when the star bangled banner plays b/c of my pride. ALWAYS! regardless of who’s in the White House.

    why? b/c this is best damn country on the planet. NO where are you going to find a government and people more caring about liberty and justice. NO WHERE!

    and i don’t mean to sound cheesy, but i wore a flag on my lapel every single damn day from 2001-2004 (after that, i didn’t have a lapel to wear it on.)

  136. HI HILLFANS, I GOT TO GET READY FOR WORK BUT GOOD LUCK IN WISCONSIN AND HAWAII. WE CAN DO THIS. GO HILLARY GO!! LUV YA GUYS. IT IS NOT OVER UNTIL SOMEBODY REACHES 2,025 DELEGATES!!!!

  137. All right! and I know I am one of the worse on here, but enough BO.

    Its too stinky already. Lets all put on some deoderant and focus on

    HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!

    Raise your hand if your SURE!

    ok ok I couldn’t resist that last one. so fun!

  138. VEntured into enemy waters at Limbaugh.com to see the play on MO

    check THIS out, the rest of the piece is a clinton hit-piece, but we KNOW Rush has an inside track on the GOP. Now, Armstrong Williams…well…i don’t know

    rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021808/content/01125110.guest.html

    : So here’s the money quote, the money paragraph from Armstrong Williams’ piece. “The word on the street is that the Obama campaign and New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg have already met and devised an incredible plan if Clinton wins the nomination. Mayor Bloomberg would give nearly $1 billion to Obama’s campaign, after which Obama would bolt from the Democratic Party and run as an Independent candidate with Bloomberg as his running mate. The Obama campaign realizes that Obama is too new at this game and doesn’t have the political weight of the Clintons to bring in the true heavy-hitters of the party’s hierarchy. So, according to sources, it was Bloomberg himself who suggested this strategery.

  139. timj, I’m offended you didn’t choose me as VP. I am fairly funny, and I make Dick Cheney look like Mother Theresa.

    I think the office of VP must be held by someone with balls of steel and I own those balls of steel. I am also very mean. In fact, hubby sings a song about me regarding a true incident in which I made a prostitute cry. “I thought I had seen everything till I saw a prostitute cry…” I am also known for telling a septuagenarian grandmother of 6 in the midst of a divorce from her octogenarian hubby to “Shut up and suck it up. You’re getting divorced. People getting divorced don’t like each other. That’s why they get a divorce.” In fact those were the first words my now F-i-L ever heard from my mouth. He decided then and there he liked me (although it didn’t hurt I have bodacious ta-tas.)

  140. On station, Fox read Hillary’s prepared comments regarding Castro.

    Did CNN not even read her comments?

    CNN has become the most corrupt news network. I never expect BlisterAss or CandyFatAssCrowley or JackBlowbagHafferty to say anyhting even remotely positive.

    If by some chance bambi gets the nod, they are going to look like the biggest bunch of dopes ever when the whole hope thing blows up. People will expect to see some change and it ain’t gonna happen with a guy who can’t even write his own story without filling it with a bunch of hopeless boloney.

  141. SpacegirlArt, I read that Armstrong Williams thing a while ago.

    BTW, I’m confused about the delegate story. Hillary’s campaign denied it, so I’m guessing it’s not true?

    Also, I have no idea why Obama’s promise not to run for president in ’08 hasn’t been pushed by Hillary’s campaign. The promise looked pretty unequivocal to me.

  142. I agree dot48!

    On another note, If they could tinker a bit with Mariah Carey’s song “Hero”, I think it would fit Hillary perfectly.

  143. did anyone see that Dick Morris comment on Taylor Marsh – this isn’t telegraphing, this is explicitly instructing Republicans to vote against Clinton in TX. This is sick; it’s all about Dick Morris’ comeuppance.

  144. okieatty
    here is why i do not want you for vp
    a few days ago you were feeling under the weather and screaming about big media specificlly messnbc. i agreed with you but you went on to suggest that i watch hardball. I did and i consider your tactics nothing short of waterboarding. no one with an iq over ten should have to watch that program and as such i have to go with idunn.

  145. Dick Morris is a “has-been” whose biased hatred of the Clintons is well known. They keep interviewing him on Fox but he never makes a bit of sense especially the way he drools.

  146. Bill O was all over the MO quote when I popped into my car and listened for a few minutes. It seems that she said this twice in WI yesterday.

    I thought that I was hearing things because when Bill Bennett played the tape this morning on his show, it said, ‘for the first time in my adult life, I am proud…, then when Bill O played the tape, it was, ‘…for the first time in my adult life, I am really proud…’.

    He cleared it up by saying that she is in worst trouble because she said it twice in a prepared speech so it goes to her intent and that the campaign needs to clarify this…He said, so far, no one has stepped forward yet and that he will continue on The Factor tonight.

    This won’t die and I primose you, this will be revisited.

  147. SapcegirlArt, I’m not sure I understand the question, lol. if you’re being facetious, excuse my doofus-ness. 🙂

  148. Does anyone else think it’s suspicious that Obama’s campaign sent Bloomberg News e-mails from the seller, but never once provided them to the Chicago Tribune? Bloomberg is an Obama confidante, as far as I can tell, and he might have promised him a good spin on what was revealed. Also, I think it’s interesting that the seller has never once commented on this. I really wish the media would do their job and look into this.

    Anyway, those were just my initial thoughts when reading the Tribune’s report of it.

  149. i *think* hillary accidentally saw dick morris in a cold-water pool and laughed out loud at him pointing at how small he was and that his man boobs were bigger than his wee wee. he now hates her. understandably so, i guess.

    what a sore loser.

  150. a friend of mine who works for a major health insurance co was on a consult call with a doctor trying to get his patient admitted, the doctor referred to patient as exhibiting behaivor like those people at obama rallies. funny but the guy meant it.

  151. OK OK I cant stand the BO. I am breaking my own instructions above.

    But I just watched the video on fox about the fainting. After the 4th one in a row he says “this is what happens when people get too excited about hope.”
    indeed…
    or maybe he said Oprah… I dont know. She is sitting behind him during the video.

    OMG!!! IS THIS REAL??? How can anyone compare this transparent charlatan with Hillary’s grace and experience??
    its unbelievable.

  152. Did anyone else see this on Taylor Marsh? It’s an article about what really happened when that Holeman guy confronted Bill:

    Five people said that, after the speech, Holeman shoved and threatened people to get to Clinton. David Westrich, 40, of Akron, said Holeman pushed people into his mother’s wheelchair. Holeman denies pushing or threatening anyone and said people tried to prevent him from moving to the front, including a man he says challenged him to a fight outside. … ..

    “I heard on the news that President Clinton hit this man. He didn’t,” said Andrea Burns, of Canton, who was angry that the confrontation was taking up time where Clinton could have talked to her and others.

    Andrew Hayes, 30, of Canton, said Holeman shoved him and his wife out of the way. He said it made him feel sick that Hannity wanted to interview Holeman.

    “He starts talking real aggressively to President Clinton. … he’s like shouting at him. … President Clinton obviously got a little upset with him. … I said to the guy … ‘you’re ruining this for everyone.’ ”

    Feemster’s brother, Rick Feemster, 56, of Canton, who was right next to Clinton, said Holeman rudely accused Clinton of being rude to Obama in South Carolina. He said Clinton challenged him to cite examples, and Holeman could not.

    “Former President Clinton was very professional,” said Rick Feemster. “He didn’t raise his voice to the guy. … President Clinton kept his cool through the whole thing.”

    Holeman said he’s not registered to vote because he doesn’t want to make his address public and indicated that he’s concerned about his safety. He said he was the victim of racist assaults repeatedly when he was a student at several college campuses in the 1980s.

    After his interview with The Repository, Holeman, who denied he’s seeking attention, ran into a woman he knew.

    “Did you see me in the paper? I’m in the paper!” he said.

  153. No, timj. I want the ability to torture folks. Dick Cheney has it, Mukasey doesn’t. besides, being AG would be a drag. All that interviewing and congressional hearings. Blech. As VP, I can sit in my fat office on my fat ass and make folks come to me. I can even eat cake and give them none.

    And then I can torture them. :mrgreen:

  154. Sheesh Ronald!

    I need to stop reading the comments afterwards. I went to your link and there is a major hate on for Hillary…lol…they are really running scared!

  155. BTW- I suggested Hardball to you bc you were looking for a slimeball show to watch for sponsors for a boycott. I was not trying to torture you, but if you would like me to it can be arranged. I have a new 500V cattle prod coming.

  156. I, living in PA, believe that if hill comes close in WI it will galvanize the voters here ans in ohio. a resounding defeat will not happen so i won’t extropolate

  157. meiyingsu, What did Rove say in that O’Reilly video? I can’t get it to open for some reason (my computer’s fault, I’m sure).

  158. Now, just don’t call me Barack for lobbying you so hard (and threatening you with a cattle prod) to switch your vote.

    BTW- you are now a racist bc Idunn is half black. 😆

  159. About the mole/troll in our midst, we should be suspicious of the most rabid anti-Obama language. A lot of us have had our suspicions for a while.

  160. well I wanna be the Secretary of Agriculture. I own horses, dogs, cats, ducks and besides that, I have a farm. Gawd..I sould like someone the bambi camp would actually appoint.

    *runs for stakes PLUS holy water*

    *throw in some BrainBleach with that*

  161. Emmy that isn’t fair….I can’t help it if I hate Bambi with a passion. I’ve tried to find compassion in my heart for him, I really really have.

    (okay well…alittle compassion anyway. Okay shit, that’s a lie. Guess I AM the mole.LOL)

  162. Rove said a lot.

    He said BO was guilty of “political plagerism”. He repeated it twice. “It was plagerism.”

    Then he said the problem with plagerism is that it exposes a “lazy mind.” He said “Barack Obama is very intelligent” but- “he is getting too confident.”

  163. Don’t bother with video Paula. It crashed my computer, I had to rebot, and in the meantime i grew even more hateful to Dick Morris, FOX news and those who will not be denied.

    AS for Obama sending info to Bloomberg, won’t MSNBC and Co. BE crying foul if they are left out of the loop! LOL

  164. okie atty
    i tried to warch hardball and i will again if we get the nec traction tomorrow
    And one more time i have dropped off a copy of newsday’s article on the FDNY’s endorsement of hrc in 17 precincts in the pgh area. I printed up a few dozen copies, placed them in a folder walked into the precincts and simply stated i thought this was something that if they had not already read that they should.
    Response 100% positive. Firemen/ems/police have a lot of influence in small towns and local communities. If in any state that has not voted yet give it a shot.

  165. Someone may have posted this already…

    I’m just half-way thru yesterday’s comments, am catching up from being a “Nanny for the weekend” to get some $$ for money-bomb day.

    Anyway I have something to add to the plagierism thing that I didn’t see up to about 2:30 pm yesterday.

    BO’s famous “Fired UP, Ready to GO” comes word for word from a 30 year old NAACP call to action/pep rally call etc originally from John Edwards’ adopted state of North Carolina. I’m sure that John Lewis and Andrew ?, former mayor of Atlanta, or Jim Clyburn of South Carolina could verify it…or it is in the internet archives somewhere.

    I know for a fact that it was originally NAACP…

  166. IDunn you are all words – stolen ones too – *looks for Bible and hunts down Revelation 13*

    Okie .. your flagrant lobbying for money bombs has me worried about you as well ..

    Ya’ll call me in sekret and send lots of PAC $ my way and I’ll eventually endorse .. when neither of you really need me LOL ..

    oh btw, anyone got scissors handy?

  167. From her Web site:

    “As you know, Fidel Castro announced that he is stepping down as Cuba’s leader after nearly 50 years of one-man rule. The new leadership in Cuba will face a stark choice — continue with the failed policies of the past that have stifled democratic freedoms and stunted economic growth — or take a historic step to bring Cuba into the community of democratic nations. The people of Cuba want to seize this opportunity for real change and so must we.

    “I would say to the new leadership, the people of the United States are ready to meet you if you move forward towards the path of democracy, with real, substantial reforms. The people of Cuba yearn for the opportunity to get out from under the weight of this authoritarian regime, which has held back 11 million talented and hardworking citizens of the Americas. The new government should take this opportunity to release political prisoners and to take serious steps towards democracy that give their people a real voice in their government.

    “The American people have been on the side in the Cuban people’s struggle for freedom and democracy in the past and we will be on their side for democracy in the future.

    “As President, I will engage our partners in Latin America and Europe who have a strong stake in seeing a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba, and who want very much for the United States to play a constructive role to that end. The United States must pursue an active policy that does everything possible to advance the cause of freedom, democracy and opportunity in Cuba.

    “The events of the past three days, including elections in Pakistan and Kosovo’s declaration of independence, are a vivid illustration of people around the world yearning for democracy and opportunity. We need a President with the experience to recognize and seize these opportunities to advance America’s values and interests around the world. I will be that President.”

  168. Emjay, in all fairness to Bambi (oh god, see what you guys have made me do!) I did once hear him credit a woman from the NAACP for the “fired up and ready to go” chant.

    Of course, that was many moons ago. He sure hasn’t mentioned her since.

  169. I’m not the mole either! I’m a 43 year old white woman, and am one of Hillary’s most loyal supporters. My dh and I both love the Clintons and hate Obama with a passion.

    I just cannot stand Michelle Obama either. That comment she just made is inexcusable. From what I’m hearing over at Fox it seems the campaign hasn’t made any kind of statement to explain it or apologize.
    What a bitch!

  170. Emmy, I am not a troll. Any suggestion to that effect by anyone will get a serious ass kicking. I’ve put too much money and too much time and have lost too many friends for my support of Hillary.

    I say that bc I write some of the worst invective about 👿 . In fact, I’m sorta hungover and getting pneumonia today and in a bad(ish) mood. I can say with no remorse that I hate 👿 . I hate his wife and her mouth. I hate his porno star/campaign manager/head plagiarist. I hate his dead mother for not aborting him. I hate his snideness. I hate his arrogance. I hate his lack of qualifications. I hate that he uses race like a battering ram. I hate the fact he is a liar. I hate his haircut (who told that MF it looks good???). I hate him like venal sin on Easter Sunday.

    I really hate the fact my blood pressure is up now. 😀

    Idunn, deal with it. I’ll be VP and you won’t. Nanny nanny boo boo. Stick your head it doo doo.

  171. ROFL Jim Doyle on Obama, David Gregory asks, after citing his record (Bambi’s) why is he not just more of the same?

    Doyle, “because he isn’t”

    kool-aid, kool-aid,kool-aid

  172. this campaign between okie and idunn has become way to devisive for me as i superdelegate i am now voting for hannah montana

  173. hi again all… this “thing” is still kicking my butt! i think i feel better, then the next thing i know, i feel like ive been hit by another truck and i’m alseep for a few hours…i think its the fever… oh well, i’m back for a bit until that damn truck comes back by!

  174. dot48, I think you should be in charge of a national spay and neutering program. I suggest you start with 👿 . He needs a clipping. 😆

    BTW- I don’t agree on MJS. I think he’s young and passionate. He is in HS for crissakes. I think there isn’t a mole on here right now. I think folks just read our smackdown prose without logging in. Hell, it’s not like the whole world can’t see what we write. And this is sorta a Stalg 17 moment…maybe the one’s bitching are actually the moles….Hmmm?

  175. timj, Hannah doesn’t have the bodacious ta-tas. And even if she did, she’s strictly off limits.

    BTW- great work on FDNY stuff. Really, not sucking up. I just think it’s pretty awesome.

  176. He’s such a freaking troll. Gee, I feel no need to go on the One’s blog. Why is this idiot on Hillary’s? They already dominate the blogosphere.

  177. Ok, here is one, however, he is on all of Hillary’s posts:
    blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/02/19/185934#view_comments

  178. Another thing…I just saw that someone yesterday quoted BO as saying he wrote his own books AND HIS OWN SPEECHES.

    So what has he been paying his 27 yr old speechwriter to do since 2004? Sit in BO’s living room and advise him on his wardrobe? He needs a first class laptop for what, exactly?

    The interview w/ the speech writer quoted him as saying he works 18/7, and he couldn’t remember his last vacation.

    Hmmmm

  179. timj, are you reading my emails? That Geek Love thing is very similar to a chat I had with a regular just a few minutes ago. *eying him suspiciously now*

  180. Ok, Idunn, no you are trying to steal my mantle of having bodacious ta-tas??? That’s just a new low. Stop doing the “Barack.”

  181. Ugh, I’d really like to know if BO even addressed the Castro thing. But I can’t navigate his stupid website….no clue where people post over there.

  182. Actually…breaking news:

    From HIS Web site:

    “As you know, Fidel Castro announced that he is stepping down as Cuba’s leader after nearly 50 years of one-man rule. The new leadership in Cuba will face a stark choice — continue with the failed policies of the past that have stifled democratic freedoms and stunted economic growth — or take a historic step to bring Cuba into the community of democratic nations. The people of Cuba want to seize this opportunity for real change and so must we.

    “I would say to the new leadership, the people of the United States are ready to meet you if you move forward towards the path of democracy, with real, substantial reforms. The people of Cuba yearn for the opportunity to get out from under the weight of this authoritarian regime, which has held back 11 million talented and hardworking citizens of the Americas. The new government should take this opportunity to release political prisoners and to take serious steps towards democracy that give their people a real voice in their government.

    “The American people have been on the side in the Cuban people’s struggle for freedom and democracy in the past and we will be on their side for democracy in the future.

    “As President, I will engage our partners in Latin America and Europe who have a strong stake in seeing a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba, and who want very much for the United States to play a constructive role to that end. The United States must pursue an active policy that does everything possible to advance the cause of freedom, democracy and opportunity in Cuba.

    “The events of the past three days, including elections in Pakistan and Kosovo’s declaration of independence, are a vivid illustration of people around the world yearning for democracy and opportunity. We need a President with the experience to recognize and seize these opportunities to advance America’s values and interests around the world. I will be that President.”

  183. BTW, here’s an astrological explanation of what’s happening. Hillary’s horoscope is improving after a very tough period. I thought you all might like to check it out, just for the hell of it, lol.

    stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0008532.HTM

  184. Ron Allen (MESSNBC) “The Clinton Campaign has discovered another unatributed Obama/Patrick quote they will be pushing to show how unoriginal he is”

    (close to what he said)

  185. We need a President with the experience to recognize and seize these opportunities to advance America’s values and interests around the world.

    I agree, Bambi. That’s why I’m voting for Hillary.

  186. I humbly accept the position of Chair For the National Spay and Neuter Commission.

    My first responsibility will, of course, be the fond handling with real kid gloves of the collective testes of Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarbourough, Wolf Blitzer, Jack Cafferty, David Shuster, Brian Williams, Dick Morris, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove

    but more importantly

    The Honored One Himself .. BHO

    I also would like to spay the bitches from MSNBC .. Andrea Mitchell most specially and of course FatA$$CandyCrawlEye from CNN.

    Is it possible I am overreaching with my first assignment?

    NO LOL!

  187. diva, seen your pic. I could believe it. Between you and Kaffeen, we got some lookers here. Well, except me. I failed to say I may have bodacious ta-tas, but I can also braid my chin and butt hair together for a sash. 🙁

    And I will be in the Guinness World Book of Records for having the longest nipple hair in recorded history. 17″. And I really like that Proactiv. My spots are almost gone like Diddy’s and Jessica’s.

  188. If i can get a copy of her 13 page proposal(word) i wouldn’t mind standing outside of the downtown pittsburgh daycare centers and handing them out at 5 o clock. i’m in between jobs so i have the time. I’ve made calls,contibuted but i’d like to do more. At 41 i have an eighteen month old grand niece that has touched my soul i want her to grow up in a world she can believe in and for that i will fight

  189. To wit:

    Patrick in June 2006, at the Massachusetts Democratic party convention: “I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations.”

    Obama one year later, as quoted in USA Today: “I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations.”

    Just words?

  190. be the fond handling with real kid gloves of the collective testes of Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarbourough, Wolf Blitzer, Jack Cafferty, David Shuster, Brian Williams, Dick Morris, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove

    Ewwww…Dot’s gonna fondle testes.

  191. DOT! OMG. That’s the best. You officially beat me and Idunn (sorry, Idunn just callin’ like I see ’em).

    Bwahahahahahaha.

    PS- don’t forget Mika and Noron.

  192. Idunn

    I remember him telling the story about the little lady in the rain, and how he drove Hours to get to her county to fulfill his promise to her…by the way, a TV reporter pointed out how close her location was to his overnite hotel…not HOURS as he stated.

    She started chanting it at the very early morning meeting, since it was dull and slow and there was no enthusiasm coming from him, or his 20-30 person audience. Sorry I can’t cite the tv program.

    I remember nothing about his, or her, citation of it as a NAACP rally call.

  193. Stolen from John Edwards:

    Bambi: I’ve been around long enough to know that Washington needs to change.

    Edwards: I’ve been around washington long enough to know washington needs to change.

    🙄

  194. @okie: you are friggin killin me!!!

    @everyone: re: barry on castro… andrea mitchell saying on msnbc that he appears to be switching… initially he spoke of opening trade, but in light of whats happend today, he appears to want to tighten things up.

  195. how do you get the italics and bold to work when posting here? I’ve tried html and it just shows up as that.

    IDunn..as the first indication of how you would lead .. explain please.

    I guess Bambi had to wait to see what Hillary said before he could issue a real statement. Why can people not see through this shitbrain.

  196. I just heard on MSNBC that our campaign has uncovered another instance of Plagiarism by BO. He supposedly used Duvall’s speech verbatim in an interview. This is according to NBC reporter Ron Allen with Clinton campaign. Has anyone else heard about this?

  197. No, Okie, you are not. It’s the so-called high-school student who doesn’t write like any high-school student, and who has an important friend in the Obama campaign who leaks all this stuff which is then posted here.

  198. guys, just reading all these news reports and watching youtube videos of ALL of this primary season, you have to laugh at all of it.

    it’s too freaking funny.

    if it’s not Oprah yelling…..”He’s the ONE!” in that scream that only Oprah can do

    along with Matthews looking like his head is going to explode

    along with the Big Dawg getting so into this race by way of defending his wife

    and McCain looking like he’s about fall over all the time (can you say Bob Dole all over again!?)

    You have to laugh. If it weren’t so damn serious, it would be the funniest SNL skit ever.

    that and yall are just too funny here. i don’t care if you are a troll/mole with bodacious ta-ta’s. you all just damn funny.

    🙂

  199. Emmy, his friend’s dad is the one in the know and with connections. Friend is just a blowhard kid who says too much and it gets reported back year.

    Nothing he has said has been wrong.

  200. so hills 13 page thing outside of daycare centers in downtown pgh good or bad thing. these are working class daycare centers

  201. Spacegirl, what part? I was being completely serious….

    (I thought the thing about 👿 Castro response was a good riff.) teehee.

  202. Hey yall, I am sick as all get out today. How long have Deval Patrick and OBama been buddies? Anybody know?

    PS I am not a mole

  203. Afternoon! How’s it looking for our girl as of late? I’ve been so knee deep in gossip about Obamalama that I haven’t had a chance to follow the numbers.

  204. Is it really information from the other camp or is it something that logically we could just assume is going on? Just wondering because it seems really obvious to me in some ways.

  205. I often get these big gray squares in front of posts, and it is in front of my last one. In case you alol have it, too, I said

    No, Okie, you are not the troll/mole. It is the so-called high-school student who doesn’t write like any high school student who has a friend high up in the Obama campaign who leaks all this stuff which is then posted her.

  206. Tim, it’s a good idea. I am not there, and I know our HQ has been bled bone dry by folks wanting ephemera. I think the best idea is contact the WI office and see if they can send you some. I think Admin has a link on WI on one of the recent threads.

    G’luck!

    BTW- drunk dialed my mom last night (that’s always a plus- she must be soooooo proud of her drunk dialing, foul mouthed attorney daughter). I explained voting wasn’t enough. She had to also caucus. So she’s going. Broken ribs and all and dragging my stepdad. SWEET!

  207. Idunn, so are you watching the L Word now? You cannot ask another woman to see her ta-tas.

    They must be offered. Then you can see ’em.

    That or get a job in the lingerie department at Macy’s.

  208. Okie, my significant other loves the L word. I have no problem watching bodacious ta-ta’s, but that show is a bit too soap operish for my tastes. I dig The Wire.

  209. Haha! These ta-ta’s are mighty fine, but Sugar is not mole! lol You know, after yesterday’s thrashing of Obama, if nowhere else than in our safe confines, I almost feel invincible today. Does anyone else feel that way??? I feel realllly good. Like our girl is about to really show him something serious. Maybe her ta-ta’s. lol

  210. can i print the 13 page thing?
    and everyone with the ta-ta’s hit up the boys in blue. they have tremendous weight in small towns much more so than college kids

  211. Kaffeen, so I see you’re not a Tibetter, then. tsk. tsk.

    My hubby hates L Word. He runs screaming from the room whenever it comes on with blood shooting from his eyes.

    Never watched The Wire. I was a huge Sopranos fan. Now I watch Dexter which is most awesome of awesome. I also write for them. How do you think they get all those torture ideas. 😉

  212. Guys I have to tell you – thank you fro all the support you gave me. This site is the only one that has some inspiration. I cannot repost too many of your blogs and posts to hit Obama on the other forum since I was accused yest of being a “trash white racist”. So I can only affect it so much from now on. But I have to say that everything that I was getting here and reposting there mad e a big effect on people. so thank you everyone.

  213. There you go again, Idunn. Stop Barracking me. Bodacious ta-tas, now drunk dialing? Can’t you ever stop?

    Get your own ideas.

  214. Wait! It’s John!!

    He’s really an older black woman for Obama trying to pretend that he’s a white trash racist in orde to throw us all off!

    Lord…it all seems so obvious in hindsight!

  215. sugar is trying to get in and split the vote.
    and okie no calling parents drunk? Are you kidding my parents wouldn’t recognize me sober.

  216. Okie…lol…Dexter is one of my favorite’s too. I really liked C Michael Hall in “Six Feet Under”. That one was one of my absolute favorite series, sad to see it go.

  217. Paula, thanks for posting those horoscope articles, I love those, they fill me with hope, as I have always had this strong belief/knowing that she will be president, these past few weeks have been testing. This is a good read, and supports my inner belief, if I dear listen to it! 😉 Thanks

  218. tim, I’m just pointing out Idunn copied my ta-ta meme, and now says she drunk dials more than me.

    I’m just saying if the Barack fits…

  219. You know, I feel as if I might have inadvertently sent some moles over here after linking to this site and Taylor Marsh so often last week. 🙁 Those Obamabots are so aggressive. lol

  220. Hey, one of us should go onto an Obama website and play mole, trash Hillary like crazy, and give out all this info we know about.

  221. this is interesting from HC.com blog

    as soon as John Edwards dropped out of the race our website was swamped by OB supporters to the point that they were deleting our submissions. We did not see that from the Clinton supporters and it was noticed. I think all of these OB supporter comments should be deleted.

    by KathyforHillary at 2/19/2008 3:20:04 PM

  222. timjcain,

    I used to live in dahn-tahn Pixburgh. I dont know how well the 13 page pamphlet would go over. I bet you can get a copy from the local HRC office- if there is one yet. Have you checked the web site too? There’s got to be lots of material there you can use.

    BTW… what is the position of the 14th ward on the election? are they any help?

  223. Also this:

    Info on MARCH in MARCH…

    Hi – everyone: I have heard from Hillary’s headquarters. For those who wish to travel to Ohio please contact Sari Bourne at her email address sbourne@hillaryclinton.com. Please supply the following:

    Name:

    Cell:

    Email:

    Dates:

    Part of state preferred:

    You can also fill out this online form: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/ohtravel/.

    Depending on where everyone resides, you may want to carpool if you can work it out. For privacy reasons, it is probably best to let Sari know you are interested in teaming up with someone instead of blast everyone email addresses on the blog. I am not sure of the event but at least we have someone to go to. I hope this is helpful

    Good times – Go Hillary!

  224. wbboei Says: 1950s democrat: not only would many Hillary supporters vote for McCain if Obama is the democratic candidate but some of them might even go to work for the other party

    At the moment I hope I”m just overreacting to things that won’t really happen — such as SDs/DNC backstabbing Hillary. If that happens, I’l look for things we laymen can do that Hillary and others can’t. She would have to support Obama if he’s the nominee, and support him for re-election in 2012 if he won. We don’t. So it might be up to us grassroots HIllary people to do the hardball here — and start threatening it now.

  225. ADMIN, Maybe you can post this for OHIO HILL SUPPORTERS AND THOSE NEARBY?

    From HC.com blog

    Hi – everyone: I have heard from Hillary’s headquarters. For those who wish to travel to Ohio please contact Sari Bourne at her email address sbourne@hillaryclinton.com. Please supply the following:

    Name:
    Cell:
    Email:
    Dates:
    Part of state preferred:
    You can also fill out this online form: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/ohtravel/.

    Depending on where everyone resides, you may want to carpool if you can work it out. For privacy reasons, it is probably best to let Sari know you are interested in teaming up with someone instead of blast everyone email addresses on the blog. I am not sure of the event but at least we have someone to go to. I hope this is helpful

    Good times – Go Hillary!

  226. mj, I can imagine. I didn’t even post anything yesterday about plagiarismgate because I knew what would happen. So, I just kept myself warm and comfy on Taylor Marsh. I knew you guys would have virtually the same information over here.

  227. Spacegirl, thanks for reminding me….I am supposed to pass this on:

    POLITICS/TODAY: ‘Downscale Women’ — The Palm Beach Post
    Last week, pollster Celinda Lake used the term “downscale women” on NPR to describe what’s been called working-class “waitress moms” who support Hillary Clinton. Here’s part of the quote: “White women and downscale women and older women have been her real firewall and make up a huge proportion of the Democratic primary electorate,” Lake said. “She has been very good at understanding their lives, with being tough, with having shared some common experiences.” I’m striving to define this demographic for a feature story in The Palm Beach Post. Who is a “downscale woman”? Where does she work? What does she earn? What does she wear? Is she married or single? My deadline is 11 p.m. EST today, which is very tight, I know. I’m looking for political strategists, pollsters, professors, campaign chiefs, bloggers, pundits authors or any other experts who may wish to comment on who the “downscale woman” is and why she may relate to Hillary Clinton. The Palm Beach Post, located in West Palm Beach, Fla., is a member of the Associated Press with a weekday circulation of around 180,000. This is for a story to run Thursday, Feb. 21, in our Accent section. Contact: Loretta Grantham, lgrantham@pbpost.com
    Organization Name: The Palm Beach Post
    Need leads by: Feb 18, 2008 08:00 PM EST(America/New_York)

  228. i prob don’t need to say no more I am runnin’ a fever; is there any news I should know about; other than devall and obama are some sort of genetic clones

  229. ronald
    lived in pittsburgh eh? are you in nyc now? so many people i get confused can only remember okie and idunn deal with livestock and eat lots of scrambled eggs.
    not thier fault. My point about giving info is that if i waited outside of the daycare centers in downtown pgh i’d be giving the info to people to whom ti was relevent. the news doesn’t speak to thier concerns and if i get 20 people to vote hill and they have relatives and so forth. Beats doing nothing.
    By the way who do you think would make a better vp Idunn or Okie

  230. Deval and Obama are not the same guy. LOL. Deval is about 5′ 8″. I like Deval because he has very little ego. He is actually from the south side of Chicago, not just some adult who lived near the university. But, Deval effed up here, IMO.

  231. Of course Deval is a lawyer. He was BC’s civil rights attorney. I got tons of people to vote for him by saying he was a Clinton appointee. Ain’t life a bitch.

  232. Hi Idunn,

    BTW folks, I’m a 50-year-old Veteran (retired USN), white male, who proudly supports Hillary Clinton in this election. When it comes to commander-in-chief comparisons, BO doesn’t measure up to Hillary at all.

  233. timjcain,

    no… I moved to Boston in July 07.

    I think working the daycare centers is a great idea. I used to live at 930 Penn Ave. Daycare central. I think the people there would be responsive.

    Besides, Pittsburghers are so nice. They love to chat with a random stranger. I had a great time door knocking for the 2006 election.

  234. mollyj, hope it’s not the flu. That stuff is evil like 👿 . I bet he has been spreading it to keep us down.

    It’s sorta like “The Stand.” And he is Randall Flag. And his fans are doing their best crazy guy “My life for you!” impressions.

  235. I called the campaign office. The phone rang like 50 times the first time. So I called back and I swear this dumbest girl answered .. she could not even understand that I was suggesting that Hillary make her Economic BluePrint Pamphlet available to local campaign staffers so that they could leave it with people during visits.

    I called back, got another guy this time and he said he could only take ‘one sentence’ as a suggestion.

    WTF????

    703-469-2008

    Somebody else call and see if I’m stupid or what.

    Tim I was hoping to get an answer for you.

    The only thing I know to do is print it off the pdf file..heck that is alot of printing though.

  236. Did you guys see how Anderson Cooper tried to frame the Michelle/’ashamed of America until hubby became frontrunner’ story last night? He suggested that her patriotism was being “attacked” [?]…..

  237. Good afternoon, Hillfans. Back from trolling rightie blogs (they have great anti-BO comments/info re Rezko). Anyhow, this is absolutely on target:

    “Judgment from day one” has been Obama’s retort to Clinton’s “experience from day one.”

    Ooopss!!

  238. Notice that you can pronounce “Deval” like “Devil.” Huh? Huh?

    Oakie! YOU GO!

    LOL

    BTW, did we ever get the answer to “how do we do italics?”

    Clearly, I don’t know either 🙁 But hey, doesn’t that make me qualified for some office?

  239. I think Hillary will win Wisconsin, amongst Democratic voters — but keep an eye on the cross-over Republican vote. WI shares a border with Illinois.

  240. Give me a break!!! Ben and Jerry’s in honor of their endorsement of Bambi has come out witn a new flavor, “Cherries for Change”

    At least they got one thing right, he is a Politcal Cherry

  241. Idunn, I think it was me who introduced you to the art of the wordpress smilies, so stop getting your panties in a wad, missy.

    As for italics….best thing to do when you have a question is go to the wordpress link at the bottom of the page. Click on it and then looks for the topic search option at that site. It’ll have all sorts of tutorials.

  242. johnflint1985 Says: 1950democrat it is good idea. but what can we really do other than support Mc Cain?

    ?Threaten first, so maybe the SDs/DNC will back off from actually backstabbing her, so we don’t have to actually kick them for actually doing it?

  243. I don’t know if M..J..S is a a troll or not. I do know for sure that he/she does not have any private information. If I recall correctly, the whole claim before Super Tuesday was that the Obama campaign was seriously low on funds. That turned out to be widely off the mark.

  244. mj, stop being so serious. It was a joke. In reference to the anti-Christ jokes. Duh.

    I already have one mother.

  245. italics are easy:

    less than sign i less than sign starts the italics
    less than sign forward slash i less than sign ends the italics

  246. Regarding SD’s, I noticed recently that Dean is now stating something closer to the Hillary position: that SD’s should use their best judgment. Anybody else pick up on that?

  247. I wonder what the DNC is thinking about all these republicans having a say in the Democratic nomination. Is O so arrogant as to think they will vote for him in the GE?

  248. anderson cooper has become the biggest walk off the cliffer (right behind Chris Matthews). I used to like guy, thought he did some great reporting from New Orleans.

    I’m telling you all…we are joking about this a lot…Obama is into some serious mind games with Americans. While I do not really think he is THE antichrist. There are many who will come and declare themselves leaders and they are false prophets. This guy fits right into that mold. He says leap and some people would just say where. The unsuspecting media and pundits have fallen first because they obviously have the biggest ego and want to jack off anybody who they think can give them a boost in the rate department…then along follows the viewers because many are not smart enough to realize when they are being bamboozled.

    Now I will return you to our regularly scheduled programming..who will be veep….IDunn or Okie.

    Since I have secured a spot in Okie’s cabinet, and with simply my resume I might add, I must throw my vote to none other than Okie.

    But then again, as a SD (stupid dolt?) I perhaps can be swayed with some hopium and changery promises by Idunn. IDunn has gone and done it.

  249. Idunn Says:

    February 19th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    Gawd…quit yer shameless pandering.

    what is pandering about flubby man boobs….? ick!

  250. Thanks Oakie re:italics.

    Kaff, just posted those YouTub videos of Barry & DEvil over at HC.com blog

    should get a bit more press

  251. mj, that’s cool. I think I’m in trouble at the courthouse bc I announced very loudly walking out of the clerk’s office this AM that I hate 👿 and that if he weren’t black he wouldn’t have gotten this far in this race. He’s used race as a substitute for experience and judgment IMHO.

    So for that, I say screw him…in the butt.

  252. Clinton trips his trigger
    11:45 a.m. , District 9 (Madison wards 79 and 80, Jefferson Middle School, 101 S. Gammon Road): Call him a Clintonocat. Or maybe Hillarycat. Republicaton? Travis Fraser, who says he usually votes Republican, marked his ballot for Sen. Hillary Clinton today. There was no one on the Republican ballot who “tripped my trigger,” he said, adding that he liked Clinton’s plans for health care. Just 15 feet away from the quiet, private world of voting machines, where Fraser and others voted, hundreds of Jefferson Middle School students ate in the noisy jungle of the lunchroom cafeteria. A democracy lesson in house. — Deborah Ziff

  253. Kafeen: Is this plagiarism new quotes or the “aspirations” one on different occasions? Other than yesterday’s plagiarism du jour, is there more? I still think the most important ones are the rip offs of economic policies and the like.

  254. Dot48, I thank you for your support, but I warn you: try to switch and I’ll burn your house down… with witches! And then call you a racist ‘cos I’m white and that’s wrong.

  255. Idunn, I will point out gave the wrong instructions for italics. I had to figger them out myself. Watch and learn….

    then to close minus the spaces inside OC.

  256. Hawk: where birbaum @ Justhillary is concerned it isnt just the negative stuff he posts but the headlines he uses to characterize it. Still he has been very responsive to me when I have asked him for good source material and have shared it with others on this site. We need to give him more good stuff to work with. I will test that theory by sending him the Shelslinger story and see whether he posts it.

  257. damnit. i made a fool of myself. again. I really should have outed my nipple hair record. Now y’all will know who I am when the new book comes out.

    Damn.

  258. did anyone catch this today??

    Obama now admits that REZCO toured the mansion with him … he says that the wanted the guy to tell him if he thought it was a “good enough” place.

    Oh Lordyn’…REZCO cometh…he’s starting to swat flies a little at a time but the swarm will soon overtake him. Betcha tomorrow there will be another little “drip” by his campaign.

    Perhaps they plan to drip, drip so the sudden impact of this shit won’t cause the death of many unsuspecting Obamabots.

  259. AA men saying disenfranchise voters???? Wow. Folks are going off the deep end. *shaking head*

    and it’s “should not have outed…”

    Gotta go. I have court in 10 mins. Blech. My client is an idiot. If I didn’t know her dad….

  260. dot 48: you will need a microscope to find them. In Matthews case the only thing I can suggest is follow the tingle up the leg.

  261. I used to go to justhillary all the time, but got disgusted with the negative headlines and quit going. I thought it would be balanced

  262. I do not like this:

    Lots of new voters

    10:45 a.m., District 13 (Madison ward 52, Romnes Apartments, 540 W. Olin Ave.): Poll workers said they were surprised by the large morning turnout. Close to 350 people had voted before 11 a.m., including many who registered on the spot at the polling place. “We’ve had a lot of new voters,” said a poll worker, pointing to two clipboards listing the names of new registrants.

  263. *secretly hangs out to see if Idunn Baracks her*

    Tim, there is no beauty in the law. Stop watching Boston Legal. 😉

    Ok, really going….where’s my damn overcoat?

  264. kaffeen, thanks for the videos, they are just incredible. This plagiarizing seems to have gone on longer and deeper than I initially imagined.

  265. well…sorry AA men, we just simply don’t give a shit — we’ll take this till the last dog dies. this is important to America, it’s not just about electing a black man.

    This is what is has come to folks. The biggest bunch of shit. I really wish I was a witch..I hex that whole bunch of assholes.

  266. my nipple hair record is 8. it’s pretty sick when you try to break nipple hair records……can’t believe i’m outing myself and my freakishness. I’m thinking a lot of women do this just for kicks…., but i saw crazy okieatty mention it.

    i’m not the only one!!! yay!!!!!!!

    mine is 8, which isn’t that much but i’m small and not so hairy and blonde.

  267. The problem with the word “plagiarism” to describe all this: it requires that originator of the material be harmed in some way or did not give permission for its use. I think what we’re seeing with BO-Patrick connection just goes to BO’s authenticity. It’s clear that he’s reading from a script, a playbook, in this campaign, and it’s not an original one.

  268. oh great now true 2 party wants to enter the race.
    step it up idunn or you and your scrambled eggs are gonna be lost in the fold

  269. Well Ben, I’m pretty sure that Malcolm X, John Edwards and Hillary Clinton didn’t give Bambi permission to steal words from them.

  270. I’m actually “praying” that Hillary can somehow pull this thing out in Wisconsin, but it’s an uphill battle. It is as easy to same-day register and vote in the Wisconsin primary as it was in Iowa.

  271. Well, Big Pinkers, our resident mole BlueDiamond left me this message at MyDD:

    …..I think I have made myself clear. You guys are all paranoid trying to figure out who the mole is aren’t you ? Well , there’s more than one and we have been amongst you since you guys started over there at HI44.

    You all have been really paranoid. We had you doing dome really stupid stuff that had your campaign looking plum stupid on Big Media. Who do you think planted all those dumb ideas and urged you to send it to the Media?

    You may hate Blue Diamond , but over at Big Pink, I am your most loyal and trusted friend and it gives me great pleasure knowing that you will never know who I am. Don’t bother checking the IP. I use a laptop at Big P.

  272. from a trapper blog HA!

    “I just hope that if Obama becomes President , his power on making people faint does not affect his cabinet. It would be dangerous if he spoke in the United Nations and people started fainting.”

  273. Ben, Plagiarism affects the author and the reader/listener. Even if Deval Patrick gave permission for Obama to use it without revealing the source is a huge problem. It is called cheating (the listener) and it is a huge CHARACTER problem.

  274. Anybody got an email link to that blogger, can’t think of his name right now, the celebrity blogger…..Paris? Send him the video’s too with link to Jake’s column.

  275. Idunn Says:

    February 19th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
    they showed pics of them holding hands

    Oh lord…they’ve never taken a limo ride together, have they??

    HILARIOUS!!!! Deval does that have that sweet, soothing voice doesn’t he? lol

  276. This Blue Diamond’s head is as swelled as Obama’s. Shame that Obama doesn’t need this mole or any other to screw up. The media is slowly realizing that the guy is a lemon of the worst kind.

  277. TPS, I agree it’s a “huge” problem for them, and Thank God it has gotten some traction. I just don’t think that it is technically plagiarism. It does show that BO is a phoney, and is certainly not an original thinker.

  278. I just figured out how Obama will bring agreement to everything he does!

    Everyone WILL pass out and he can claim victory.

    there is a GREAT PolCartoon in that last posted quote

  279. A critical view at MO.

    Michelle’s America
    Mrs. Obama talks about herself and her country.
    by Jonathan V. Last
    02/19/2008 12:00:00 AM

    Madison, Wisconsin
    Roughly 600 people gathered at the Capitol Theater in Madison’s downtown Overture Center yesterday to listen to Michelle Obama make a pitch for her husband’s presidential bid. They were treated to a revealing glimpse into the mind of the candidate’s wife.

    By now one passage from her speech has received much attention. She said:

    For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction. And just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment I’ve seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic, common issues and it’s made me proud.
    It was an extraordinary declaration for a 44-year-old woman. She expanded on it a bit later, claiming that “Life for regular folks has gotten worse over the course of my lifetime, through Republican and Democratic administrations. It hasn’t gotten much better.”

    Do these comments provide a glimpse of her general political worldview–one that is surprisingly critical of America for the wife of a presidential candidate? Or do they suggest a certain narcissism about the Obamas and their view of themselves? Or both?

    In many ways, Michelle Obama’s stump speech is reminiscent of her husband’s. She dwells at length on the issue of change and frequently talks in the idiom of political self-help. She worried that “We spend more time thinking about what can’t be done, what can’t change, what won’t work. And the problem with that is that it cuts us off from one another in our own communities. It’s cut us off from the rest of the world. And the sad part about it is we’re passing on all these fears, this cynicism–we’re passing it on to the next generation.” “Everything,” she explained, “begins and ends with a little bit of hope and a whole lot of dreaming.”

    Mrs. Obama’s remarks were also light on policy–which is understandable. After all, she’s not the one standing for office. But she showed something like contempt for even the idea of actual policy talk. “I know voters like a plan,” she said. “What’s the details, tell me about your policies. Plans are important, I agree. . . . But a lot of this stuff isn’t rocket science.”

    Instead, she voiced deeper concerns: “Barack knows that at some level there’s a hole in our souls,” she said. This was a variation on her normal line that “Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands that, that before we can work on the problems we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation.”

    Michelle Obama obviously believes her husband is up to this challenge. (In Nevada she told a crowd that “Barack is one of the smartest men we will see in our lifetime.”)

    Mrs. Obama also spent some time during her Madison remarks dwelling on her own life. In a passage attacking No Child Left Behind, she claimed that “If my future were determined just by my performance on a standardized test, I wouldn’t be here. I guarantee you that.”

    She returned to the subject of her test scores and education later in the speech. She began by telling the crowd how she met a poor, presumably black, girl in South Carolina. Talking about this young girl, Mrs. Obama said:

    She also knows that she is so much better than the limited expectations that this nation has for her. . . . She is hoping that the grownups in this country see some use for hope. Because that’s all she’s got. And she’s dreaming that we’ll get it right. And I know, because I was that little girl.

    Now all my life I have confronted people who had a certain expectation of me. Every step of the way, there was somebody there telling me what I couldn’t do. Applied to Princeton. “You can’t go there, your test scores aren’t high enough.” I went. I graduated with departmental honors. And then I wanted to go to Harvard. And that was probably a little too tough for me. I didn’t even know why they said that.

    But I could go through every curve and twist and turn of my life and find somebody that was telling me, “Lower your expectations. Set your sights low. You’re not ready. You can’t do that.” And every time I pushed past other people’s limited expectations of me, and reached for things that I knew I could do, and grabbed my seat at the table that others felt so entitled to, what I learned is that there’s no magic to these people who feel so much more ready than me. I’m just as ready–always just as prepared–as anyone at that table.
    It was a remarkably un-self aware moment. If it’s true that her scores didn’t merit her admission to Princeton and Harvard, then rather than having someone trying to hold her back, it seems that someone was willing to take a chance on Michelle Obama. And that faith was rewarded: Even though her test scores weren’t particularly outstanding, she thrived in elite settings and has had, by all accounts, an impressive professional career, too.

    But Mrs. Obama seems to both accept such a benefit of the doubt and then decry something that sounds a lot like the soft bigotry of low expectations. And she presents her academic credentials as a triumph over some nebulous group of people. When she talks about “grabbing her seat at the table” and finding that there was no “magic” in the other people who had also earned their way there, it sounds uncomfortably like she is dismissive of others who might not have had the help she received.

    Or perhaps it’s just her reaction to a sense that there have been many people trying to stop the ascent of her and her husband. (If such people exist, they’ve been spectacularly unsuccessful.) Talking about Barack’s Senate campaign, in which he ran unopposed by a serious Republican challenger, Michelle said that the couple learned that “when power is confronted with real change, they’ll say anything to stop it.” There “they” go again.

    Instead of seeing America as a place which afforded her the opportunity to create a blessed life, Mrs. Obama seems to view it as a place where some “people” are always trying to hold her back. Whoever these “people” are, we should be glad they haven’t been successful. Michelle Obama’s progress is–despite her telling of it–an inspirational story that should make us proud of America, not frustrated by, and scornful of, it. It says something about her view of this nation, and of her husband and herself, that she seems to find it so difficult–their own experience notwithstanding–to feel gratitude for and pride in her country.

  280. B Merry, I think BlueDiamond or whoever this moran is full of shit. I don’t think there are a bunch of moles here. This is just this idiot trying to “scare” us with the typical Obamabot puerile nonsense.

  281. Well, wait a mintue. This shouldn’t be hard at all to figure out. Just read all her past diary/comments. The writers voice should be easy to identify.

  282. LOL…Obama’s campaign must spend more time backtracking to get everyone in line with his lies than anything else.

  283. I guess Blue Diamond really does think we Pinkers have some kind of hoodoo voodoo powers.

    Psssssst…Hillary, don’t post here anymore, there are spies among us. Spies I tells ya!

  284. Oh, that reminds me, I woke up this morning to AM radio, and they were finishing a local spot on SInclair. Clear Channel owned FOX news station. (about all we have here besides USF and NPR

  285. hey BlueDiamond – thanks for planting those Obama plagiarism videos, we definitely did send out to big media – i guess it worked!

  286. OkieAtty

    Legally how can the DNC keep elected Superdelegates from FL and MI from being seated at the convention when they had nothing to do with the state legislatures from changing the primary date? If the DNC seats all other congressmen and Senators, wouldn’t that be discrimination? The reason I am asking is Hillary has a big lead in elected superdelegates from FL and MI.

  287. But a lot of this stuff isn’t rocket science.”

    Wow, good point Michelle. I think I’m gonna see if I can get my plumber to run for president in 2012!

  288. clintondem99

    Wow – so how does St. Obama plan on fixing this hole in our souls? I swear, the more I see/hear from these people, the more they truly scare me. I just can’t believe the Democratic Party can fall for all of this. If their wave doesn’t crash and burn prior to this nomination, it certainly will before the GE.

  289. How old is this person you think 17, 18, 19, typical Obama demographic talking smack in all of the blogs and alienating and turning away a whole bunch of Democrats from their candidate.

    If they are so smart, how come they are losing voters for their candidate not winning new ones.

    Full of hot air.

  290. The name of the game is PLAGARISM.

    I’ve been looking all afternoon for this stuff for B Merry’s “deck of cards.” Here’s the text of BHO’s speech in S Carolina, and the text of Spike Lee’s Malcolm X speech in Harlem. More “borrowing” –like he “borrowed” from Rezko to buy a house? Ol’ “okey-doke,” indeed!

    roxanne.typepad.com/rantrave/2008/01/bamboozled-hood.html

    Text:
    “They’re trying to bamboozle you. It’s the same old okie-doke. Y’all know about okie doke, right? … They try to bamboozle you. Hoodwink ya. Try to hoodwink ya. Alright, I’m having too much fun here. … ”
    – Barack Obama

    “You’ve been hoodwinked. You’ve been had. You’ve been took. You’ve been led astray, led amok. You’ve been bamboozled.” – Malcolm X

    The full text/subtext of the Malcolm X speech:
    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechmacolmxharlem.html
    And another analysis:
    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/02/10/hornswoggled/

    Okey-doke = scam.

  291. if Clinton wins the nomination. Mayor Bloomberg would give nearly $1 billion to Obama’s campaign, after which Obama would bolt from the Democratic Party and run as an Independent candidate with Bloomberg as his running mate.

    Great. But Nader should be the running mate. Bloomberg can be Secy of something. Wouldn’t it be great to get all those latte liberals out for once and for all.

  292. Michelle Obama makes me wanna grease my face up with Vaseline, take my earrings off and get to scrappin’ with her silly ass for all of the insulting things she’s said and implied about AA’s who are not voting for her lying ass husband! She is so ignorant! I know her type very well. For all of her degrees and accolades, she tries hard to hide who she really is, but it’s just there under the surface.

  293. just stop talking about moles and trolls here. it reminds me of the democratic party or dailykos pointing and threatening each other. it’s just destructive.

    call them out when and if they make misguided comments. name-calling is just juvenile. this isn’t dailykos.

  294. Ol’ Okey-doke, to be sure! Today’s theme is PLAGARISM (or is it just “borrowing” – like borrowing from Rezko to buy a house?) This was discussed some weeks ago, but I think it fits into today’s theme. Have fun and happy Tuesday –

    South Carolina rally:
    “They’re trying to bamboozle you. It’s the same old okie-doke. Y’all know about okie doke, right? … They try to bamboozle you. Hoodwink ya. Try to hoodwink ya. Alright, I’m having too much fun here. … ”
    – Barack Obama

    “You’ve been hoodwinked. You’ve been had. You’ve been took. You’ve been led astray, led amok. You’ve been bamboozled.” – Malcolm X

    Spike Lee speech/script:
    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechmacolmxharlem.html

    Link:
    roxanne.typepad.com/rantrave/2008/01/bamboozled-hood.html

    Analysis:
    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/02/10/hornswoggled/

  295. Blue Diamond doesn’t matter AT ALL. Let’s not give her more importance than she’s worth. I will stop right now.

  296. But seriously, I think Obama is a nice man. Very smart. Very articulate. Very likeable.

    Wait, did I say Obama? I meant Deval Patrick.

  297. Berkely Vox, I agree. Here is something from a few weeks ago, now relevant again for a different reason:

    “They’re trying to bamboozle you. It’s the same old okie-doke. Y’all know about okie doke, right? … They try to bamboozle you. Hoodwink ya. Try to hoodwink ya. Alright, I’m having too much fun here. … ”
    – Barack Obama

    “You’ve been hoodwinked. You’ve been had. You’ve been took. You’ve been led astray, led amok. You’ve been bamboozled.” – Malcolm X

    Here’s one link; I’ll send the others to the original material separately:
    roxanne.typepad.com/rantrave/2008/01/bamboozled-hood.html

    It’s the ol’ okey-doke, alright!

  298. I voted in the WA primary just as a little protest against the caucus.

    I see a weird glowing object in the sky over Seattle today and I don’t know what to make of it.

  299. TPS, no I haven’t sent to Taylor Marsh and Talk Left. If you or someone who visits those sites can do that, it would be great.

    I know the Hill campaign is working on getting the word out about this too.

    There is now a link on Drudge about this, although it is not Headline News (yet)

  300. @bmerry: i think blue is full of it. they’re just trying to get us off subject… who cares. let ’em sit here and watch us instead of drinking kool aid… maybe it’ll wear off and they’ll start supporting the RIGHT candidate!

  301. this diary on mydd is about the impact of Hillarybashing:

    Daily Insults Work
    by linfar, Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:37:22 PM EST

    I am down. This is a downer diary. I am also so far over the hill I won’t even tell you how old I am. But based on that you can bet I know this blogosphere is not my world.

    But stupidly, I guess, inspired by Hillary and with time on my hands while taking care of an 88-year-old Mom with alzheimers–smack dab in the middle of a right-wing militia neighborhood in southern california– I decided to Blog!

    Woohoo for me.

    I began by finding the democratic blogs. And dailykos seemed like the Big Daddy. That last word is the right one. Sexism is alive and well in the blogosphere. It ain’t that women don’t blog there, they do, but they don’t count. Don’t tell me how I know this. I just did after my first week.

    I also realized in that same period of time that supporting Hillary was not were it was ‘at.’ Ok, good, I thought. These folks will listen to reason and well thought out arguments. They will respond to a careful vetting of their ‘guy.’ This is great. I can do some good for Hillary here. hahahahahahahahahahaDeepBreathhahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha

    First off I insulted a famous and very popular Hillary blogger who still has not forgiven me. Second off, another Hillary blogger became upset over a diary which evolved out of watching my Mom. This diary joked about exactly who our millions of alzheimers folks might vote for. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny topped the list! I was told I was insulting alzheimers people.

    And things went downhill from there. Every diary was accused of racism in one way or another. Nobody listened to Anything. It was like a huge free-for-all on the Indiannapolis speedway where speed of comment was valued about all else. And God help the newcomer. Nobody took the time to explain Anything. Troll rating–I didn’t even know what it was. Hyper links duh!

    But I was not deterred. I like to write. I like the challenge of getting the thought out in a way that makes sense to someone else. I like communicating. And I liked the idea that I could put this vocation to some use helping Hillary. [see laugh line above, I’m too exhausted to reinsert it]

    I am now convinced that nobody actually cares about facts, reasons, arguments or the truth. They are completely beside the point. And the point you ask? The point is to score. To make fun of, to humiliate, to inundate and to pontificate. But not debate. Do not rebut an argument with facts of your own. Do not admit if your opponent scores a point. Do not ever, ever concede Anything.

    And so in the blogosphere, the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination is a game that nobody wins. We aren’t helping elect the most qualified person. We don’t care who will run the country the best. We do not understand that the next President will either bring us back from the brink of a coup from the Right or we go over into the Abyss.

    We also mostly do not talk about the amazing aspect: The Woman and The Black Man. We do not care. All we seem to care about is scoring a hit on the board. Me too. I got into it. Get that diary up. Get it recced. Go on to the next one. Respond to comments.

    And who the hell cares? Huh? We are talking to ourselves. Nobody else is listening and we aren’t persuading each other of anything.

    Oh, maybe a few Edwards supporters decided which other candidate to support or not. And the Dodd, Biden,Richardson people did the same. But somehow that bleak hole I find myself in right now isn’t impressed.

    The bleak hole says this. Stop with the diaries, dumbass. Get off the merry go ground. Go read a book. Hillary has been assassinated and there ain’t no pulling back from it. She has been Gored and nobody cares. She has been trashed, maligned, ridiculed, insulted, called a Pimp and a Whore. Amazing when you think about it 🙂 Whaddya know there is a smile in there.

    But bottomline here is, I am exhausted. I don’t have what it takes to fight it right now. And I don’t think she can either. You get a pie thrown in your face over and over, and then its 2 pies over and over and then its 3 pies over and over and at some point you just give up. You can’t breathe for all the pie crap covering you. It suffocates you. We have a rightwing media which is swinging its weight to determine the Democratic nominee. And except for the Hillary backers no one seems to care. We have a media that no longer helps the electorate make fair and impartial decisions. You cannot have a democracy without a fair and free media. THAT is why I started blogging. THAT is it, right there. Ok. There I said it. I thought the blogs were the antidote. I thought they were the people reclaiming their democracy. I thought there was fairness and honesty and integrity in the blogosphere. ROFL!

    I don’t feel any better. I also don’t know if I will send this. Nobody will much care. It’s not about the candidates. Its not the latest newsworthy headline. It’s just one stupid ass blogger, and not a very good one, feeling crappy.

    I just don’t see how the guy can plagarize words and ideas the way he does and get away with it? I don’t. The voting present strategy on womens rights–he invented it!! His saying he pushed the wrong lever on seveal votes–c’mon!! He has reversed himself on nearly every major issue. So, do I believe he will put pro-women’s rights candidates on the Supreme Court? The truth is, I don’t know. Will he really bring the troops home? I don’t know. That is a seriously different issue than if he gave a speech against the war six years ago, isn’t it?

    I feel such despair. Maybe if it was a fair fight. But it’s not. The game is rigged. And folks like the guy who presides over the slanted and often vicious dkos is right-on-board with it. And so is TPM! And so Is Huffpo!

    We have our own slanted and lying world now…And the antidote to the mainstream media is as aweful as they are.

    So today I am going to opt out. Watch the results. Probably cry.

  302. clintondem99 Says:
    February 19th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    A critical view at MO.

    Michelle’s America
    Mrs. Obama talks about herself and her country.
    by Jonathan V. Last
    02/19/2008 12:00:00 AM
    ———–
    This last para is perhaps the most relevant part — do we really want this person to be the face of America?

    …Instead of seeing America as a place which afforded her the opportunity to create a blessed life, Mrs. Obama seems to view it as a place where some “people” are always trying to hold her back. Whoever these “people” are, we should be glad they haven’t been successful. Michelle Obama’s progress is–despite her telling of it–an inspirational story that should make us proud of America, not frustrated by, and scornful of, it. It says something about her view of this nation, and of her husband and herself, that she seems to find it so difficult–their own experience notwithstanding–to feel gratitude for and pride in her country.

  303. If I was an undecided voter in WI, OH or TX, this recent MO stuff, and the Patrick stuff, would push me into Hillary’s camp.

  304. Michelle Obama is Barracks worst enemy. She is full of shit. iHow are they planning to “heal our souls”. Does he have his prayer cloths handy or his annointing oil.

    She makes him sound even more like some lametail preacher than he does himself.

    She is not the brightest crayon in the box.

    I am not comforted hearing that tons of “new” voters showed up in Wisconsin. Looks like the repubs are in high gear to try to defeat Hillary.

  305. @pm: that is a great post and it is SPOT ON! how dare she??? she and hubby are both harvard educated and live in a million plus mansion, two healthy kids…???? poor michelle.

  306. dot48

    “Heal our souls.” I think it means that we must attend daily pep rallies until we are completely immersed and just surrender.

    I’ve often wondered how BO planned on changing the way politics is done in Washington. Perhaps daily rallies in the Senate Chamber?

  307. Here is something from a few weeks ago, now relevant again for a different reason:

    “They’re trying to bamboozle you. It’s the same old okie-doke. Y’all know about okie doke, right? … They try to bamboozle you. Hoodwink ya. Try to hoodwink ya. Alright, I’m having too much fun here. … ”
    – Barack Obama

    “You’ve been hoodwinked. You’ve been had. You’ve been took. You’ve been led astray, led amok. You’ve been bamboozled.” – Malcolm X

    Here’s one link; I’ll send the others to the original material separately:
    roxanne.typepad.com/rantrave/2008/01/bamboozled-hood.html

    It’s the ol’ okey-doke, alright! B. Merry, can you use this for “Deck of Cards?”
    –III

  308. linfar,

    We hear you. Many of us feel exactly the same way. And in the blogosphere, there is no such thing as civility (well, except here at Big Pink — most of the time…) . Stay with us.

  309. “I’ve often wondered how BO planned on changing the way politics is done in Washington.”

    I was just thinking this on my trip to the store. I would like to know “ok, so what are you going to ASK PEOPLE TO DO to facilitate change?” Not congress, not other countries (HA, here is is VERY naive) but “We the People”

  310. linfar,
    Yes, it’s disgusting that the ‘netroots’ are just as bad as the MSM. But what does it take to start one of thsoe ‘big blogs’, that looks sort of respectable,like HufPo? I think there’s a need for a decent, centrist, reasonable place to post and gather comments etc.

  311. dot48

    Yes, these “new” voters are the biggest fear tonite. And we know they certainly aren’t crossing over because they are enamored of Obama. I just hope the SD’s aren’t fooled by this story that BO is on this great mission to expand the Democratic Party.

  312. Maybe somebody can get some Hillary supporters to go to her next rallye and yell “Poor Michelle”.

    I can see by her comments that she could never function as an effective First Lady. She simply does not possess the necessary class. Every article I read in which she talks and interviews…she sounds angry at America. She sounds mad at the very nation who has helped her get where she is right now.

    I would vote for the right AA .. just not these two.

    They make me feel like they think it is their “right” for him to be president. The snide remarks about waiting or grabbing any open chair. She is in need of counseling it seems.

    Oprah…you sure know how to pick em.

  313. A great article:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sylvia-welsh/barack-obama-and-why-it-m_b_87416.html

    Sylvia Welsh

    Barack Obama And Why It Matters That He Plagiarized A Speech (At Least One That We Know Of)

    “As a child psychologist and psychoanalyst, I have worked with children and adolescents of all ages who come to me with every imaginable kind of problem (and some that are, quite frankly, unimaginable). Usually, the teenagers I see are there because they’ve gotten themselves into trouble, both at home and at school. The trouble could be drugs, it could be overly aggressive behavior, it could be truancy, it could be lack of respect shown to authority figures and, not uncommonly, it could be because he or she has gotten thrown out of school for plagiarism.

    Any child over the age of, say, 8, knows it is not only morally wrong to sign your name to something you did not write but that it is a punishable act. Such punishment, when the child who commits the plagiarism is in high school or college, often includes expulsion from school. With kids ever more internet savvy (i.e., having access to the myriads of articles and papers written on any given subject by some supposedly obscure author) and school administrators and teachers trying to ensure that the teen does not “slip one past them,” schools are increasingly using programs designed to detect whether, in fact, a piece of written work handed in by a student was actually written by that student and does not match, in phraseology or any other patterns that such programs detect, written work by someone other than the student. We, as a society, value honesty and integrity and one of the surest mark of a lack of both is a person’s willingness to claim someone else’s words (or work) as their own.

    And this is why it matters that Barack Obama is now furiously trying to suggest that it’s “no big deal” that he plagiarized his friend’s, Deval Patrick’s, speech. He’s even claiming that Mr. Patrick told him to use the speech. Perhaps Mr. Patrick did. Perhaps Mr. Patrick told him to use the speech and never told him to say it was written by Mr. Patrick and not by Mr. Obama. It doesn’t matter, actually, what Mr. Patrick said or did not say to Mr. Obama. What matters is that Mr. Obama passed this speech off as his own, adding only his by now customary flourishes of tone and inflection. That the man who has presented himself to this country as the man of integrity and change turns out to be a fraud — and that is what we call people who pretend that someone else’s words are their own — must be a profound disappointment for his supporters, if they can be honest enough with themselves to admit it.”

    More in the article…

  314. i don’t give a rats ass about blue diamond…didn’t stop me from giving to hrc campaign or voting for her…screw him/her/it and the crack pipe they rode in on

  315. Here’s someone I never thought I’d quote (paraphrasing);

    ” Barack Obama will win the race. Hillary will be the nominee.”
    – Rush Limbaugh
    He went on to say this is relatively normal, not having a nominee before the convention (which of course I’d heard was the case in years past) – and, in blasting the Clintons “they’re as ruthless as they come”, said they’ll do whatever it takes to get delegates to switch.
    He also pointed out something I’d never heard of – due to relative my youth 🙂
    Hubert Humphrey (or was it Walter Mondale) became the nominee without winning a single primary?!

    Win or Lose: Is tonight the night the campaign begins to point out that Hillary’s actually winning among democratic votes!?
    We had that stunning Taylor Marsh piece, now we see she’s really up by what?, 15 in Texas without Indy & rethugs.

    So isn’t it time we got people thinking on these terms?
    There’s a lot more to this, of course (the cityeditiondotcom)

  316. Another key graph from the above article:

    “Children know that not telling the truth, either by omission or commission, is the definition of a lie. Perhaps there is more of a pattern to Mr. Obama’s distortions and omissions than even these two rather egregious examples point to. As a clinician, I have found that if one lies about one or two things here or there and then makes light of those lies, and acts as if the ones who find this offensive are the ones making mountains out of molehills, you can almost take it to the bank that a deeper pattern of not telling it like it is exists. It’s only a matter of time before it becomes more fully exposed. So, it’s suffer the children yet again. Yet again, a grownup who might actually have served as the inspiration he so adamantly claims he is, turns out to be another scammer who, when caught in the scam, does what every child does: he says, “it’s no big deal.” And then he has the audacity to cast aspersions on the ones who caught him. Even the children I see don’t do that.”

  317. Hubert Humphrey got the nomination back in 1968 – without winning a single primary. It was a crazy year, with RFK getting shot, etc. Also, in 1984 Walter Mondale was given the nomination over Gary Hart, by the vote of SD’s.

  318. One of the real problems in this country right now is there no clear “Moral Authority” anymore. No Pol, no star, no leader who is standing up to say “ENOUGH”

    it is very sad. And Bambi will certainly NOT fit that bill.

    How IS he going to get Karl Rove, Tom Delay, and those folks to suddenly lay down their swords and all hug each other.

  319. so did CNN ever mention Michelle’s unpatriotic slam?

    It’s all over the net in articles and sounds like Fox and messnbc mentioned it .. but not cnn.

    If so, I guess they are the ones receiving the biggest ermm perks.

  320. linfar,

    I feel so sorry for the blogger. I just want Hillary to win for people like her who never give up until they are pushed to the brink by cultists who don’t care who they hurt.

  321. Thanks for responding Emmy and 1950democrat. I’ve often wondered what it takes to get one of these blog sites going tooo. Taylor Marsh’s place is ok. But we need more. The game is just so rigged. I think it makes me furious and when I don’t let that out I get depressed about it. Sometimes the only think that feels right is screaming, you know? It is just so wrong, what is happening in the media.

  322. I am on a Hillary finance committee donor conference call. They are asking volunteers to continue to call Wisconsin through the website. I will report back later.

  323. Ok, Chuck Todd on MSNBC is finally explaining what Obama’s advantage is in Wisconsin: a wide open primary, with same day registration, and a shared border with Illinois.

  324. Bastard Matthews just pulled a Dick Morris…”Hey, if ya know McCain is the winner…get out the same day and vote for someone you like….like vote for Barack Obama”

    I am moving out of the country if HC gets snookered in this thing

  325. Am I the only one not liking the new blog/post format at Hills offical website? I DON’T want to go in there and have to wade through a bunch of Obamaton troll bullshit. 🙁

  326. it’s obvious the guy is a liar.

    a liar cannot help anyone “right’ themselves.

    with just a little lady luck on our side, we might see this cheap card table fold.

    The repubs are already on it…Hillary is the candidate who is winning the Democrat base vote…they know who they need to gussy up for. Obambi is becoming a distraction for them, they know he is not going to be the nominee.

    Republicans please take this guy down … please vet him

  327. thanks divabunny. I feel better when I get it off my chest. I know from the women’s movement that stuff is hard to take alone but when you have the support of others you can take a lot. But damn there is a lot to take. I just can’t believe this guy is going to get away with plagarizing. Not only words, but ideas too. He is a total fraud!!

  328. Hillary: Superdelegates are by design supposed to exercise independent judgment,’ she said. ‘If Senator Obama and his campaign continue to push this position, which is to the contrary of what the definition of superdelegates has historically been, I will look forward to receiving the support of Senator Kerry and Senator Kennedy. [New York Times, 2/18/08]

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Democrats-Superdelegates.html?_r=1&scp=10&sq=%2b%22Barack+Obama%22&st=nyt&oref=slogin

  329. I have switched to FOX, for God’s sake to listen to tabloid tv.
    My blood pressure was getting WAY too high, and usually it is so low, nurses think I am dead 🙂

  330. Where MSNBC gets it wrong – they actually believe that Obama is positively attracting these new cross-over voters. They just don’t get it. Most of these cross-overs are doing so to vote “against” Hillary, and it has been going on this entire race. For example, without cross-over voting, Hillary would have easily won Missouri.

  331. SpaceGirl,

    Yeah. Matthews added, “Why not? have some fun!”

    We’re not supposed to be doing play-by-play. Whoops!

  332. blue,

    Reveal the plan, or in a lot of cases I’m afraid they just drank the kool aid, and they’re unable to see what is truly going on.

  333. @linfar: i’m sick with a bug, so i’m not feeling too strong either, so i’m just hanging here and pasting links abt rezco and the truth abt bho on other sites in the comments section. i didnt think it was working, but i have actually seen other people on huffpo posting the link abt karl rove (thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html) over there… if we can influence a few, then its worth it… i cant go to the koolaid/ pope of hope sites… its overwhelming and to be honest it scares the sh*t out of me!

  334. Where are the Dem party elders in this situation? I guess republican tampering is okie doke as long as it benefits Obama?

    OT. I hate McDonalds but their chocolate chip cookies are surprisingly good.

  335. standard of conscience rule?

    Guess we’ll be hearing a lot about that one…

    depends on who we’re talking about Ben. Most of their on-air talent leaves little doubt they know the deal…..

  336. Go, Taylor Marsh! The side-by-side of this one is priceless. Surely this stuff will begin to punch holes in the Obama balloon.

  337. @Ben “Most of these cross-overs are doing so to vote “against” Hillary”

    Ben, I know. I actually spoke to one the other day. Made a note on the phone log. He was going to go vote against Hillary. He was a repug in Wisc.

  338. whoever she is, we need to love her… she is posting rezcowatch links and the karl rove article link in her comments over there. yea! she posts as much as i do, so hopefully we can get ppl reading the truth!

    btw…hardball covered mo’s comment first, but he didnt comment on her comment

  339. Surrounded by all these phoney BO comments, how about something “real” from our girl – only one of the many reasons I support her today:

    Age 21, in “Commencement Remarks of Hillary D. Rodham, President of Wellesley College Government Association, Class of 1969.”

    “We are, all of us, exploring a world none of us understands. . . .
    searching for a more immediate, ecstatic, and penetrating mode of
    living. . . . [for the] integrity, the courage to be whole, living in
    relation to one another in the full poetry of existence. The struggle
    for an integrated life existing in an atmosphere of communal trust and
    respect is one with desperately important political and social
    consequences. . . . Fear is always with us, but we just don’t have time
    for it.”

    She ended with the commitment “to practice, with all the skill of our being: the art of making possible.”

    And for decades, she’s been learning how.

  340. Are WI voters on drugs or have their brains frozen? Early exit polls show 43% of both Hillary and Obama voters said that the economy is the biggest reason for voting the way they did. Are they nuts? 43% think he will be better equiped to fix the economy and that is why they voted for him.

  341. Ok! here is some details from the campaign. They have raised about $17 mm online since Feb 6 (congrats to all of us). They feel good about Ohio, Texas, and PA. They see this going all the way to first weke of June in Puerto Rico. Racine, Wisconsin they said is Hillary territory and the turnout apparently is very good there. They are opening six new campaign offices in Ohio. They urged continuing calls to Wisconsin since the polls close there only at 8:00 pm. Of course, they want to continue to raise funds.

  342. Unbelievable! They have Dan Burton on (how big of a corrupt asshole does one have to be to get disqualified from MSNBC?)

    But as Matthews mentioned JFK being assassinated,
    this prick starts grinning ear-to-ear!!!

    UnReal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    yeah, I know. No MS updates.
    But that was exceptional.

  343. Cindy McCain takes a jab at MO.
    Anyone see this? Cindy, who NEVER speaks, took the mike at a McCain rally and said (paraphrasing) “I don’t know if you heard the other comments, but I am proud of my country. I am VERY proud of my country.”
    Apparently both she and John were asked afterward if Cindy was taking direct aim at MO but both declined comment.

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if the repubs did more for HRC than the people of her party?

  344. Divabunny: Baldwin is not what one might call the Delphic Oracle of political wisdom. For whatever reason his mind cannot seem to recognize much less come to terms with character flaws, nuance and evasions which are the subtext of Obama. The question is who will DELIVER positive constructive change. She has a passion for social justice, he does not and that is not something you acquire with time. Either you got it or you dont.

  345. FUCK all of you who think I’m the mole.
    I only JUST got back from school and I find that I’m being called a mole?

    pfft. get a life. I have better things to do than be a pseudo-psychotic obambi-loving freakzazoid on a Hillary website.

    I hope whoever’s lying AND whoever accused me of being a mole burns in hell.

  346. Per AP WI Exit Poll…

    DEMOGRAPHICS:

    As usual, men outnumbered women in Republican primaries while the reverse was true on the Democratic side. About nine in 10 voters in both primaries were white. The Republican electorate was a bit older than the Democratic. Roughly four in 10 in each party were college graduates.

  347. “I have better things to do than be a pseudo-psychotic obambi-loving freakzazoid on a Hillary website.”

    I believe you MJS (nice sentence too!) You been straight up w/me.

    Tough to get past some of the filters here 🙂

  348. thanks blue democrat. I hate the self-righteous idiots who have nothing to do but spew “OMG…IZZ LIKE>>>THINK IZZZ MJS.. LIKE>>>OMG…AND LIKE>>> I HATE TEENAGERS”

    Go suck a cucumber and save the drama. I ain’t no mole and I’d like you to take a look in the mirror before you call anyone a “stupid 17,18,19 year old”. I have straight A’s and I got accepted to all of my anticipated colleges except for one, so EAT it.

  349. Ugh…hubby is going to be late getting home from work, so it looks like I can (must?) get back on the computer for awhile.

    Oh well, at least I knocked out the shower psrt of my plan.

  350. Since BO thinks words are important, than the media should be jumping all over the ‘words’ his wife when she said for the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

    Instead, many commentators are dismissing her ‘words’ as a minor ‘gaffe.’ There was one reporter on fox who went ballistic, though, when asked about her reaction.

  351. MJS, chill out. Nobody is really wacking out about there being a mole in here. Who cares? It isn’t like we have top secret HRC clearance or anything. 🙂

  352. Well, Big Pinkers, our resident mole BlueDiamond left me this message at MyDD: …..I think I have made myself clear. You guys are all paranoid trying to figure out who the mole is aren’t you ? Well , there’s more than one and we have been amongst you since you guys started over there at HI44.

    that’s silly. not a productive use of time at all. i did suspect for a long time that a specific few of obama’s most vocal & obnoxious supporters at dailykos were just punking everyone and trying to turn them against obama, they were so rude

  353. 43% of voters said economy was number one issue, and yeah, 90% of voters say the economy is in the tank. After economy it was War in Iraq – 29%, and Health Care – 25%. This should bode well for Hillary.

  354. anyways, how’s Wisconsin looking? All this “new voter” stuff is scaring me.

    I’m hoping Hillary’s support in rural areas will be greater than Obama’s numbers in the cities. I’m hoping it’s not like missouri.

  355. 90% of voters say the economy is in the tank.

    We live in a very small rural community. Well, out in the county, actually. But in town there’s a gas station, a tiny grocery store and a diner. Last week hubby drove 20 minutes into town to get milk, and guess what? The grocery store was empty. Not even a shelf left inside. Now we have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest town for groceries. That’s a whole lotta gas money wasted just to make a run for milk.:(

    I’m with the 90% of the voters who say the econmy is in the tank.

  356. @linfar: i created an acct over there so that i could recommend! lotsa comments! lots feeling down.

    @idunn: mine’s late too! its freezing here… i need a fire in the f/place stat!

    @mjs: do you really care?

    @kaffeen: i know i’m a perpetual pollyanna, BUT i am really hoping we pull this out… history says that in wisc, they usually decide in the last three days. i was worried the neg stuff abt plagiarizing and mo’s comments would be too late to affect, BUT since they have same day registration…it could help. there are 74 up for grabs.

  357. anyone still calling?

    I just roused a person whose cooking dinner to out and vote for Hillary 😀 the peas will have to wait 😀

  358. kaffeen Says:
    February 19th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
    Per AP WI Exit Poll…
    DEMOGRAPHICS:
    As usual, men outnumbered women in Republican primaries while the reverse was true on the Democratic side. About nine in 10 voters in both primaries were white. The Republican electorate was a bit older than the Democratic. Roughly four in 10 in each party were college graduates.

    hope.

  359. 63 -34 Indies BO in Wisc according to FOX exit polls

    these open primaries suck, but a lot of good numbers for Hillary

    “A lot of exit poll predictions look good for Obama, but the votes often are the opposite”

  360. CANT BELIEVE THIS IT JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER!!

    first Michelles moronic remarks, and now this just in, FOX just reported taht in a redio interview Obama said to the interviewer that Hillary clinton isn ot as smart as a 6 year old!! His press aide beside him stopped the interview!!! The comment was in regards to florida and michigan votes benig coutned. anyone heard about this OUTRAGEOUS attack o Hiillary?? I just heard it on tv, being reported by John Gibson!! on fox.. He went o to say that obama and michelle have had a easy tiem with the media but that will now change. GOD I HOPE SO!!!

    TEXAS AND OHIO LISTEN UP
    VOTE SMART
    VOTE HILLARY

  361. idunn, that’s so weird! I’ve never lived in a rural part before.

    My closest grocery store is an organic food store that i can walk 10 minutes to 😀

  362. People we have our rookie mistake right here
    This “sharing among friends ” might have just done it for us
    I have two former Obama supporters AAs at that who a just like lost kittens right now. The realisation that Obama is not the God they thought he was has really hit them hard.
    Also now Obama is defined as a fraud

  363. omg, experience-matters-hillary! ARE YOU SERIOUS?????????????????????????????????????????

    Ok. THIS BETTER GET AIR TIME. ARROGANT A-HOLE

  364. No, early exit polls show a very good night for Obama, according to the ap.

    Guess we’ll just have to wait and see, huh?

  365. MJ, lol….those demographics and issues favor Hillary. Those are the ones she usually wins. If BO wins those tonight, well, we have some serious issues. I think it will be close.

  366. experience-matters-vote-hillary…..are you being serious or did you mishear? I believe Bambi is not very much more than a dumb puppet…but i didn’t think ANYONE would say that?!

    O shoot. If this is true, this is OUTrageous.

  367. Experience Matters; that was John Gibson on FOX. I just was on FOX web looking for that story

    I almost crapped my pants. Bambi just got Hillary on fire, I am sure. She will eat him alive at the debates.

    Now also, Bambi said the five years freeze “quoting” an economist, say her plan will be “disasterous” as NEW home owners will have higher interest rates. He wants to protect the Mortgage industry from this!

  368. here’s to hoping:

    wisconsin: GOP: Huckabee as winner 😀 (or better yet, that JOKE ROn Paul winning)
    DEM: Hillary by 10+%

    hawaii: Huckabee or Ron Paul 🙂
    DEM: Hillary, or even if she comes within single digits, it will be good 🙂

    Washington: GOP: Huckabee
    DEM: Hillary by 70 to 30 so that we can get a deal on those delegates 🙂

  369. LOL TD, actually, I don’t live in town, I live out in the county.

    Screw the “fast food” it’s beautiful out here. 🙂

  370. Nope i heard it and so did my husband!! Gibson started off talking about michelles comments and then moved on to what i said. Evidently the interview was at some radio station, he was there with his press aide, who was sitting next to him during the interview, Gibson said the aide attempted to interrupt Obama, but cuold not so the interview was stopped, that’s what he said in a nutshell. Wish i could have recorded it. Oh wait i can rewind my tele, be right back

  371. Spacegirl, the big part of that story is if Bambi’s press guy really stopped the interview. That shows dangerous dangerous levels on Bambi not being in control of a situation.

  372. spacegirl,

    We seem to surf the same channels. :D. What I heard on the Fox early exit polling is that most groups were split down the middle with HRC getting a majority of seniors and the beast getting 76% of the indies.

    But the reporter DID point out that exit polling has consistently showed the beast doing better than it actually turned out.

  373. RECORD IT. PUT IT ON YOUTUBE. AND SEND ONE VERSION TO THE HRC CAMPAIGN, AND ONE TO CNN, MSNBC, AND ANY LOCAL STATIONS IN OHIO, TEXAS, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, etc.

    If THIS doesn’t show Obama as sexist, i don’t know what will.

  374. Good signs for Hillary…

    The preliminary results also indicate that more seniors than usual are voting in the Democratic race — up from their 2004 level, and also potentially a high for Democratic voters this cycle, though again it’ll take final data later tonight to see that holds.

    Turnout by independents in the Republican race looks to be down from the last primary for which we have comparable data, in 1996.

    In the Democratic contest, about four in 10 voters have college degrees — another important factor in voting decisions this year. That’s a bit under the norm in primaries so far.

  375. Ok, that’s how it was reported to me. I assumed his god awful lie about Hill’s trade record was the reason. How ironic that would be that the profree trade candidate could make the trade argument against Hillary.

  376. WI Exit…

    Hillary is getting 60% of Seniors….

    The preliminary results also indicate that more seniors than usual are voting in the Democratic race — up from their 2004 level, and also potentially a high for Democratic voters this cycle, though again it’ll take final data later tonight to see that holds.

  377. OMG, just had comments by BO on MSNBC. He says dealing with the Clinton attack machine means he’s battle tested and ready for the republicans. Sheesh! Stuff in this race has been child’s play compared to what the 527’s will throw at ya.

  378. If THIS doesn’t show Obama as sexist, i don’t know what will.

    What the heck is “sexist” about it, for crying out loud. It just shows that he can’t handle a situation where he gets angry. MUCH MUCH bigger deal than “sexism”.

  379. I seriously think the fatigue acquired by campaigning is starting to show on Bambi and BamBam’s wifey. Bambi making stupid comments on Hillary and plagiarising everyone from her to frkkn Devil Patrick and BamBam’s wifey saying stupid things about this beautiful country.

    Can’t wait for the Obama freakshow to unravel for the world to see.

  380. “in an interview with liberal talker Ed Schultz the Illinois Senator accused his opponent of tactics that wouldn’t even fly on elementary school playgrounds.”

    rawstory.com/news/2008/Barack_Obama_talks_with_Ed_Schultz_0218.html

  381. Idunn, he called the former first lady and only viable female candidate of all time: dumber than a 6-year-old. That’s not sexist.

  382. B Merry..you ROCK!!!!
    “”I think even a six-year-old understands that you don’t change the rules of the game halfway through,” Obama said.

    An aide then immediately tried to cut in and end the call, but Schultz managed to get out another question, asking if Obama would like a “do-over” in Michigan and Florida.”

  383. That’s kind of ironic since his cribbing his buddies speech and passing it off as his own wouldn’t fly in elementary school either.

    You think John Kerry would sit him down and be all “this is nothing..let me tell you about my vietnam record…”

  384. That’s not sexist.

    No, it isn’t. Insulting someone on their intelligence level has nothing to do with gender.

  385. Someone should listen to the audio of the radio interview..the one writing the article may just be trying to spin it pro Obama.

  386. BHO is pathetic. Why doesn’t he do less crying and more policy-making? If he spent half as much time writing policies and thinking as he does CRYING, he’d actually have creative policies of his OWN.

  387. B Merryfield,

    Thanks for the link. (btw – your blogs are amazing.)

    Here’s the beast’s exact quote in a response to HRC’s push to seat the FL and MI delegates.

    “I think even a six-year-old understands that you don’t change the rules of the game halfway through,” Obama said.

  388. experience-matters-vote-hillary

    He has been saying that for a few days. I believe his quote is “Even my 6 year old is smart enough to know that you do not break the rules”

    I wonder if his 6 year old is smart enough to know that you do not steal someone else’s speeches?

  389. HERE IT IS:
    Ok I rewound my tele and wrote it all down. Happened on the “My Word” part of the John Gibson show on FOX. Gibson started off by saying that so far Obamas missteps have been few and far, but that has changed. AND big words on bottom of screen said “OBAMAS VERBAL MISSTEPS” lol. It happened on the Ed Shultz Radio show, he was interviewing Obama about the FL and MI delegates, and he asked BO to be “very direct” on counting the delegates of FL and MI Obama then said and I quote” I think even a 6 year old understands that you don’t change the rules of the game halfway thought” end quote, then you could hear the Obama aide on another phone trying to interrupt, Shultz fired off another question and Obama answered then the aide stopped the interview. So said John Gibson on FOX. And he ended by saying this: So far the Obamas have had a charmed and gap free life” in the media but that is now changing HA!!

  390. OK, had a dinner/work break, what’d I miss? Are the Obama wagon wheels falling off yet? This is the difference with experience, you can go the distance in the limelight without choking.

  391. “I think even a six-year-old understands that you don’t change the rules of the game halfway through,” Obama said.

    well, that’s great.
    also, what is he TRYING to piss off michigan and florida? over and over – they don’t count. voters there will NOT appreciate that.

  392. diva,

    Missed spouse wars but did catch that friggin O’Donnell making a snide remark that HRC apparently intends to keep campaigning all the way to the convention. The comment was delivered in a tone of astonishment.

    What a b!tch.

    BTW, all – I will get election results here. I simply can’t stand to listen to the Tweetie- Ogreman – Werewolf show.

  393. You know all of these nasty wee things the Obamas have been coming out with just prove they dont react well underpressure AND they are both FULL of themselves!! I just cant imagine ANYONE who would want ot put this NUTTER and his INSANE wife in the whitehouse!! seriously!!

  394. can NOT stand nora! cant stand the whole figgin network actually… just curious how they’ll spin the mo comment and want to see cindy mccain’s comeback… i dont think ive ever heard the woman speak!

  395. Fox Preliminary Exits for Wisconsin DemocratsWomen: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%

    Families with income under 50,000: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%

    Independents: Obama 63%, Clinton 34%

    Seniors: Clinton 60%, Obama 39%

    Top quality — experience: Clinton 95%, Obama 5%

    Union households: Clinton 50%, Obama 49
    thepage.time.com/fox-preliminary-exits-for-wisconsin-democrats/

  396. Kaffeen, jesus, I’m reporting what I am hearing. I’m sitting here in my Hillary make history tee shirt. So please do not start this crap.

  397. IndependentBen@446: more like re-education camps–mending broken souls is serious business. And today we learn Fidel is resigning his post in Cuba. Is it a cooincidence or . . . .

  398. Hey, my husband is a number cruncher for a political party here and he says the exit polls have consistantly been over estimated for Obama by round about 3%. They were so during the super tuesday ones. So, if that stands tongiht maybe Hill can winn, fingers, toes crossed

  399. I wish they’d keep exit polls and predictions under wraps until all the voters vote. Its lame to start releasing that stuff early.

    Coming from someone who often votes 2 min before the polls close AND who’s in a western state. They predicted 2004 before I voted. Mutha!

  400. Exit Polls
    Fox News, CBS News and the Associated Press have released preliminary exit poll information from the Wisconsin Democratic primary.

    Key highlights:

    Women: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%
    Change vs. experience, 52 to 24.
    Just 17% are first time voters

    Families with income under 50,000: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%
    Independents: Obama 63%, Clinton 34%
    Seniors: Clinton 60%, Obama 39%
    Top quality – experience: Clinton 95%, Obama 5%
    Union households: Clinton 50%, Obama 49%

  401. After a 3 day break from here and coming back late yesterday, and spending a lot of time reading these threads all at once, I have a suggestion:

    IF you have an antipathy for a particular contributor, whether because the person is, in your eyes, a mole, dumb as a rock, uneducated, a slob, a sloth, troll, too optimistic, too pessimistic, too hard to read, too serious, too academic, too smart-ass, too full of themselves, too foul-mouthed, too straight, too LGBT, too right, too centrist, too critical, too lazy, too compulsive, too down, too right, not calling enough on the phone bank, too self indulgent, too fake, too not like you, too whatever…THEN

    SKIP THAT PERSON’S COMMENT(S), get a life, get off here for a few hours, go do your own damn on-line research, take a page from SpacegirlArt, Idunn, OkieAtty Wbboei, BMerry and others.. and go play with your dog, feed the kittens behind the barn, play nookie with your hubby, have a stiff drink (that’s me) or compose a great blog or article.

    Just keep your poison arrows in your quiver and let the rest of us have our pink pages back.

    We have taken care of the really bad actors before and will do so again. Don’t go making others on here bad actors without proof, or help and contributions from Admin.

    As I have tried to point out before, look at how many good people you have chased off these pages. Some still lurk, others are gone forever. (Remember the new link Admin gave us a week or more ago? Some people have gone there, some to TM.)

    Think about trying to restore these pages to what they were before January 3, 2008.

    And feel free to dump on me if you would like…I’d like to know how people feel.

  402. A note about exit polls…people are just getting off work here. It’s 5:45 pm. Many people will be voting in the next couple hours. Who knows what part of the day those exit polls were taken.

  403. I cannot believe this. I am reading they are saying WI voters call NAFTA a big issue. He totally led about this. He’s more pro-trade than Hillary.

  404. i hope more people voting today are thinking like this:

    “Aaron from Wisconsin writes:
    It’s make-or-break for Hillary. I’ll tell you what: I was originally backing Obama, full of hope from his ideas and determination of inspirational size. Then, I find out those speeches he had me hooked on were recycled from other politicians, the ones he claims are the status quo. I vote Hillary.”

  405. Thanks Emjay, right on. No drinking the Kool-aid here, we can take reality, everyone accepted here, free speech and all that.

  406. comments from politico.com

    “You can’t trust these exit polls. Virtually everybody I know voted for Hillary. This is going to be a big night for her. This is outrageous.”

    “I refuse to believe these numbers. Me AND my wife both voted for Hillary. This is ridiculous. No way Hillary doesn’t win.”

  407. Again on FOX, the pundits are going on about Michelle Obama again, Mort Kondrake is really bashing her. Stating she is the down to Obamas Up LOLOLOL And he went on to say that just like when she talks about he life, she can only remember the people who made it difficult for her to get her education etc,not the ones who helped her get where she is RICH and successful.
    Michelle Obama is grotesque and absurd AND would be a HUGE embarrassment to the USA as first Lady (using the term loosly!!) Give her mouth enough rope…………………….. And his………..the end

  408. hey emjay… what was it like before jan 3rd?

    @emvh: loved when he reiterated that she said she could only vote for a dem if it was her husband!!! for real???

  409. Obama didn’t just compare Hillary to a six year old once on 1/18, he did it at least two other times days earlier.

    obamasdeckofcards.blogspot.com/2008/02/in-interview-with-talk-show-host-ed.html

  410. MJS, I thought they closed there at 8pm…maybe they were talking our time (Eastern) I was COOKING DINNER LOL and couldn’t hear all the way

  411. @Diva

    Yes agreed!! Day by day I notice a bit more of them going for Obama. Man I hpe this keeps up!! He needs to be exposed for what he is, then we have a fair race!! When he first started I didn’t like him but now I just hate the ground he walks on, literally!!

    obama=satan

  412. Ben is correct. Our voters, with the exception of Seniors, are getting off work now and are voting. The next two hours will be our bread and butter.

  413. i dont believe the numbers either we have 2 hours left , factory workers getting off work right about now…the milk plants, the cheese plants ,kakakuna cheese factory ,there leaving work now..

  414. The polls close at 9 p.m., which I guess would be 10 p.m. est. That explains why MSNBC’s coverage doesn’t start until 9 p.m. est

  415. OK, everybody cool off, lots of anxiety in the room. Now, everybody hold hands and breathe slowly….

    (sorry, I’m a psychologist, had to go and do a Dr. Phil)