Men O’Pause

Update II: Naomi Eskin neskin@hillaryclinton.com is in charge of out of state volunteers in Texas.

Update: Absentee Application for Ohio posted below. Information for out of state volunteers willing to assist Ohio Hillary for President – also posted.

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Previously we posted actions for Hillary supporters to do right now, today. Keep the calls, donations, emails, ground action going. Here are some more productive actions for the “to do” list:

Texas:

Today – United Farm Workers co-founder Dolores Huerta, a Clinton campaign co-chair, will headline the Texans for Hillary headquarters grand opening from 1:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. Saturday at 701 E. Ben White Blvd, Austin, Texas. Phone: 512-383-0318. Map HERE.

Also in Texas TODAY: Canvass for Hillary with Dolores Huerta TODAY. San Antoinio (9:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.)

Also in Texas TODAY: Bill Clinton in Amarillo. 2:30 – 4:30 p.m. Amarillo Civic Center – Map HERE.

Also in Texas TODAY: Bill Clinton in Lubbock. 5:45 p.m. – 7:45 p.m. Lubbock High School. Map HERE.

Commenter HillaryForTexas states – The person to contact in San Antonio about volunteering is campaign coordinator Choco Meza. Ms Meza can be contacted at (210) 273-8783.

Wisconsin:

Join Hillary at the Brat Stop in Kenosha! Doors open at 2:30 p.m. and the event will begin at 3:00 p.m. Saturday, February 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM – 5:00 PM

The Brat Stop (Map HERE), 12304 75th Street, Kenosha, Wisconsin

Commenter Marim on Hillary headquarters in Green Bay: “There are a lot of hotels less than two blocks away – incredibly easily walkable, and a ton of restaurants, so people heading to that area could conceivably not even have to really leave that two block radius during their Wisconsin stay.”

Madison Wisconsin for Hillary office
122 E. Walnut Street
(Free Parking ramp across the street for less than 1 hour, free after 6pm.)
Orgainzer: Nick at 608-215-4450 or 608-824-3130
Wisconsin Office
8033 Excelsior Drive
Madison, WI 53717
Main: 608-824-3125

Milwaukee Office
315 W Court Street
Milwaukee, WI 53212
515.537.9814

Green Bay Office
122 E Walnut Street
Green Bay, WI 54301
603.289.8609

La Crosse Office
205 5th Ave South
La Crosse, WI 54601
608.415.0149

Ohio:

Ohio information for Out of State volunteers will be up shortly.

Hillary Clinton for President
309 South 4th Street
Columbus, Ohio 43215

Main: 614.221.8600
Fax: 614.221.6982

Application for Absentee Ballot in Ohio HERE (pdf file).

Out of State Volunteers for Hillary Clinton – Ohio Primary Election March 4th
Email: sbourne@hillaryclinton.com

Must Include the following information:
Name
Phone Number with Area Code
City, State
Availability Dates

In your email (to sbourne@hillaryclinton.com) reference Laura Pietenpol, Team Hillary Columbus, Volunteer Coordinator who will schedule you rapidly (Do not forget to include a phone number.)

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For Hillary supporters who have not been sufficiently motivated to DO something, picture having this nasty creature as the Democratic candidate:

“I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal. … ..” – Senator Barack Obama (D-Rezko)

Information on male menopause HERE.

WARNING: video of a very nasty man who insults women, Florida, Michigan, anyone/anything that gets in his way:

For Hillary supporters who have not been sufficiently motivated to DO something, picture having this wonderful person as the Democratic candidate:

Telling the crowd that one of her primary goals is to help rebuild a strong and prosperous American middle class, Clinton outlined a plan that she said would put $55 billion a year into the pockets of Americans by reining in special interests, going after excessive oil company profits, enacting a “fair credit for families agenda,” establishing a Student Borrowers’ Bill of Rights, creating a $50 billion strategic energy fund, restoring fairness to the tax code and putting an end to what she described as health insurance company discrimination.

She said she chose to unveil her plan and launch her Ohio bid at a plant like Lordstown that has weathered the storms and will continue to survive.

Ohio is the heart of it all,” Clinton told the crowd. “Ohio represents the best of what we can do to build a strong and prosperous middle class.”

She said she envisions the building of a manufacturing belt that would surround Ohio.

Her plan would retool companies, provide universal health care, create 5,000 “green clean energy” jobs and, in general, help to revive the nation’s economy. It would also end corporate subsidies and loopholes for companies that decide to move jobs overseas.

Costs are going up while jobs and wages are going down, Clinton said, adding that she understands what families are doing to try to cope.

The election is about you and your families,” she told the crowd. The country can’t afford to give up manufacturing in America or its manufacturing jobs — ever, she said.

Not long ago, the country had a balanced budget and a surplus, but President George Bush “signed a subprime mortgage on the American economy,” she said, claiming the country’s destiny has been signed over to other nations, including China, Mexico and others.

Chinese steel comes here, American money goes there and the U.S. gets toys with lead paint and contaminated pet food while our government does nothing about it, Clinton said.

America needs to revamp its trade agreements to protect American jobs and manufacturing, she said, suggesting that the North American Free Trade Agreement, which was signed into law by her husband, needs revisited in terms of labor and environmental issues that she said were never negotiated or enforced by the Bush administration.

Clinton said she voted against the Central American Free Trade Agreement because of the same failings.

She never mentioned her Democratic opponent by name but did refer to him several times, accusing his campaign of releasing false information about her stance on NAFTA and suggesting that he lacks the experience to create jobs.

My opponent makes speeches. I offer solutions,” she said.

Change will happen whether people want it or not. The question is, who will deliver progress, she said.

There’s a big difference between us — talk versus solutions,” Clinton said.

Americans want progress, not small change.

Americans need solutions, not promises.

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427 thoughts on “Men O’Pause

  1. Wow, i get to make the first post. I feel special! Is there a video of Barack using the phrase “the claws come out” to describe Hillary? I think that deserves far more attention than Hillary’s true assesment of the relationship of LBJ and MLK.

  2. Wisconsin, 3 days out
    by Jerome Armstrong, Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 12:31:20 AM EST

    I’ve been delving into Wisconsin a bit, and does it ever look unpredictable. First, the polls. According to Pollster.com, there have been 5 different polls taken in WI since the 10th (one poll has two models), and after taking out the outliers showing either Clinton or Obama up by 10 percent or so, we have these 4 polls taken this week:
    10th 11th 13th 14th

    Obama 45 46 47 47
    Clinton 41 42 43 42

    Undecided 14 12 10 11
    First, there’s not been a discernible movement for either candidate. To go from a 4 point to a 5 point lead over 4 days, with 2 days of having a 4 point lead in-between, means the margin is pretty static. The number of undecideds has down-ticked a bit, but its still quite large. In fact, it’s the undecideds that point toward the great mystery in this race– who they will break for in the end; and, there’s also opportunity in Wisconsin for movement among the candidates– especially in the last 3 days.
    Just look at the 2004 polls. None of them show Edwards in the picture. The primary was on Feb 15th. On the 14th, Zogby had it Kerry-Dean-Edwards at 47-23-20. On the 12th, ARG had it Kerry-Edwards-Dean at 56-16-11, and there were other earlier polls. The actual result was Kerry-Edwards-Dean at 40-34-18, but for a long time in the evening, I recall, it looked like Edwards had pulled off an upset. Only later in the night did Kerry pull a way a bit, after the big city returns came in.

    How Edwards surged was that –looking in the exit polls– 40% of the voters made up their mind in the last 3 days before the election, and they broke to Edwards by more than 50 percent, most switching from either Dean or Kerry to Edwards. Here was the post-election WI wrap of ’04:

    Dean emphasized his honesty and zeal to stand up to President Bush while he slammed Kerry, singling out the four-term senator’s relationship with special interest groups.
    “My question to Wisconsin is, ‘Who do you want to stand with you in the foxhole, the guy who’ll stand up when it’s right or the guy who just stands up when it’s popular?'” Dean said, repeatedly disparaging Edwards and Kerry as “Washington insiders.”

    But the former governor never regained ground, finishing third in the state primary. He ended his presidential bid a day later.

    Edwards stopped short of calling Wisconsin his own must-win state, and although he did not campaign there much until the week before the primary, he apparently realized he might have a chance for a good showing.

    Going back further, but here’s a great read on the ’88 race, that Chris Bowers posted, in the NYT’s. Going in, Jackson was coming off of a bunch of wins in the south, and campaigned hard against Dukakis. The turnout was over a million voters, which I think will be bested this year (~850K turned out in ’04):

    The Wisconsin results brought Mr. Dukakis 44 delegates, Mr. Jackson 24, Mr. Gore 13. That left the New York Times delegate tally showing Mr. Dukakis with 722, Mr. Jackson with 684, Mr. Gore with 381, Mr. Simon with 166 and 483 undetermined. It takes 2,082 to nominate.
    After that race, Simon dropped out. Jackson, at this point in the race, was positioning for Vice-President:
    ”Of the 40 contests that have been run now, I’ve come in No. 1 or No. 2 in 30 of them and I have a 250,000-plus popular vote lead,” Mr. Jackson said in an appearance on ”CBS This Morning.” He added, ”At this stage of the campaign, I feel very good.”
    Democrats in Wisconsin, backed by the findings of polls, said that Mr. Jackson failed in the final days of the campaign as voters focused on him not as a civil rights leader who gave moving speeches about the dispossessed, but as a potential Democratic nominee and President.

    The New York Times/CBS News Poll, for example, showed that Mr. Jackson did much worse among voters who decided on their choice in the final four days of the campaign than among those who said they had decided earlier. Mr. Jackson won only 20 percent of the late decider’s, as against 31 percent of those who said they had made their minds up before Saturday.

    Among the 14 percent of Republicans that voted in the Democratic primary, they split 42 percent for Dukakis, 26 percent for Gore, and 22 percent for Jackson.
    Movement toward Edwards, and away from Dean & Kerry in the final weekend of ’04; movement toward Dukakis and away from Jackson in the final weekend of ’88. I don’t think either of those races tell us much about whether Clinton or Obama gets the movement, but it’s highly likely that one of them will.

    The other thing I was trying to look into, but have come up pretty inconclusive so far on, is looking at the ’08 exit polls in states that have already voted, preferably a primary. Maybe it’s like Iowa, but with a primary instead of a caucus, and about 5% more African-Americans.

    Wisconsin is a very savvy primary state, and they have the potential to move in hordes, a few days before the vote.

  3. love the early news this morning… “scrutinizing obama mania”

    david brooks: “soon his “followers” will be selling flowers in airports”

    then they break to hillary’s speech abt the diff btw solutions and promises. the wheels have been spinning fast… looks like they may be coming off the wagon! here’s hoping!

  4. HEY! You beat me to the first post, meiyingsu. I don’t feel special anymore!

    Damn you, meiyingsu! Damn you!

    [i]shakes ineffectual fist [/i]

  5. @mei: thank you for posting that article… i am really hoping that the attacks by mccain on obama and obama’s negativity twds hrc will help us. let them continue to go after each other… let our girl get the message out!

    mccain is slamming bho on wavering on campaign finance and the fact that bho wont disclose his ’07 earmarks. let barry piss off the women again (just like he did before super tuesday) by making disparaging sexist remarks…. keep ’em coming boys!

  6. @idunn: i’m one cup ahead of you this morning! (hubby went fishing early, so i didnt get to sleep in!)

    so… this afternoon/evening is going to be my first time making calls… been doing a little research in case i’m asked abt very specific specifics… found a great summary on emily’s list… please take a look…

    http://www.emilyslist.org/candidates/hillary_clinton/

  7. HI IDunn 🙂 (just wanted to defy your demand!)

    Great post, but i want to go take another shower after watching the video (which I had seen, live on tv) YUK

    gotta go soon, but had to read the latest here, after reading WaPo Posts….another reason for a shower.

    Glad we have a uniter out there in the lead, eh?
    Back to your coffee IDunn. My task is finished 🙂

  8. Great interview with Dorothy Rabinowitz of the WSJ just now on NPR Weekend Edition. Including about Chris Matthews and the media slant praising Barry.

    “I felt a tingle run up my leg” said Matthews, referring to Bambi’s speech. EWWWWW. I missed that one. Shades of Larry Craig.

  9. @spacegirl: i likened tweety’s comment abt s/thing on his leg to s/thing my dad would say…

    “dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining!” isnt that basically what bho is doing to everyone in this country???

  10. I’m off to pick up another volunteer across the city, and head out to headquarters to see Dolores Huerta and go door-knocking. Woot!

    Keep fighting the good fight, hillfans. Make some calls! 🙂

  11. I just sat here sipping and rolling my eyes at both of you. Too bad you couldn’t have seen it. 😉

    So….I’m ready to read some good news now.

    IS there any?

  12. @idunn: good news? i think so… pundits are likening the obamabots to hari krishnas! mccain and barry are blasing each other… leaving our girl alone. the more barry tries to go negative on hrc, he looks more and more like the arrogant a**hole that he is!

  13. Here is a example of the kind of wackos endorsing Bam Bam:

    Police report: Monica Conyers threatens to shoot Kilpatrick aide

    This is from the first paragraph of a story in the Detroit News today (hat tip to The Corner at NRO): “An aide to Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick filed a police report Thursday claiming Monica Conyers, the short-tempered city council president pro tem and wife of U.S. Rep. John Conyers, threatened to get a gun and shoot him at a city pension board meeting.”

    There’s more: “According to the police report filed Thursday by DeDan Milton, an assistant to Kilpatrick, Conyers ‘threatened to shoot [Milton] with her gun’ and made ‘several aggressive movements’ toward Milton ‘in a threatening manner.'”

    Milton also reported to police that Conyers said she would “have my brothers [mess] you up.'”

    David Clark, chair of Detroit’s General Retirement System, backed up Milton’s account.

    “She ran at him,” Clark told The Detroit News. “She told him she would get a gun if she had to and that she has four brothers and they would whup his a– if she asked them.”

    Monica Conyers denied the allegations, and she filed her own police report saying Milton threatened her.

    Monica Conyers, and her relationship with the venerable lawmaker’s staff, spurred a preliminary investigation by the House ethics committee a couple of years ago following allegations that the Michigan Democrat was using his staff to help her campaign. The committee declined to take punitive action against him.

  14. RJK, I forgot all about Conyers. I ran across her info while scanning the Chicago newspapers. Didn’t know she endorsed Obama though. YIKES.

  15. hey guys… saw this posted on another site… this was in response to “believing obama”…

    “Belief in someone who says he’ll agree to public campaign financing and now is taking it back?

    Belief in someone who claimed not to have PACs and now is found to have donated more than 4 times what Clinton did to Super Delegates?

    Belief in someone who says he’s for gun control in one state and against it in another state?

    Belief in someone who claims not to be playing the race card and then gets caught circulating a memo detailing how to do just that?

    And that’s just for starters.

    There is a sucker born every minute, I hear.

    I just didn’t realize they’d all join up at once and chant, “Yes We Can!”

  16. Good morning everyone, Hillary is coming to Kenosha Wisconsin just across the border from Illinois today at 3:00 pm. I have RSVPd the event organizers and am planning to go today. Anyone else from ILLINOIS goign to the event?

  17. Conyers and her husband are the ones that took out full page ads urging voters in MI that supported bambam to vote uncomitted.

    Damn. I sure didn’t know that!

  18. As to sexist comments and actions from Obama, there is a patterns now:

    a) He talked about Hillary having tea with ambassadors.

    b) He talked about claws coming out.

    c) He turned away at the SOU.

    d) Now he is talking about her feeling periodically down.

    Are there other instances people can recall? Dates of each of these events?

  19. I don’t find that “periodically down” comment to be all that sexist. Don’t think he intended that connotation at all.

    a b and c however…yep. Definitely intended.

  20. I was wrong it was not full page ads, it was radio ads. Here is the link:

    blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/09/voters_face_confusion_in_michi.html

  21. @idunn: i think he used the word “periodically” for a reason. if you plant fake fainters at your rallies, then you are one calculating SOB.

  22. Actually John Conyers outright lied in the radio ads saying:

    Rep. Conyers: YOU CAN’T. YOU CANNOT EVEN WRITE IN OBAMA’S NAME. IF YOU DO YOUR VOTE WILL NOT COUNT BECAUSE OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN CHOSE NOT TO PLACE HIS NAME ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT SO AS NOT TO VIOLATE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY RULES. BUT YOU CAN VOTE UNCOMMITTED

    The party did not rquire any names to be taken off the ballot. Iowa demanded that candidates sign a pledge to have their names removed and bambam signed it Hillary did not. She does not give into blackmail and apparently bambam does. Gee just what I want a president that can be blackmailed…

  23. TPS, what kind of event will it be at the Brat Stop inWI today? Also, what is her schedule for WI this week? Does she have anything scheduled for Mon in WI?
    I really think she should do as much as she can in WI. If she can keep it close, that would be a good thing.

  24. the “tea” comment @ a rally in coralville:

    here is the actual quote and link from the wsjournal:

    “The tea debates started on Friday when Obama said to a crowd of nearly 900 people, “My experience is grounded in understanding how the world sees America, from living overseas and traveling overseas, and having family beyond our shores. It’s that experience, that understanding, and not just of what world leader I went and talked to in the ambassador’s house who I had tea with.”

    blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/12/30/clinton-responds-experience-goes-beyond-drinking-tea/

    the “claws come out comment” @ tulane:

    Obama took the stage at Tulane… he seemed to have Clinton in his sights when he said, “You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out.”

  25. tiburones, this is what I have about the event:

    Join Hillary at the Brat Stop
    When
    Saturday, February 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM – 5:00 PM

    Where
    The Brat Stop
    12304 75th St.
    Kenosha, WI 53142
    General Area:

    Description
    Join Hillary at the Brat Stop in Kenosha! Doors open at 2:30 p.m. and the event will begin at 3:00 p.m.

    Host
    wisconsin For Hillary

    It is until 5:00 pm. It must be a rally or a town hall.

  26. Michelle’s slip up in Ohio. I’m sure this went over well with die hard Ohio State fans.

    “We’re going to win Iowa — Ohio,” she said to a cheering and forgiving crowd. “We’re going to win Ohio just like we won Iowa,” she smiled. “That’s what I was trying to say.”

  27. Hillary will be in Eau Claire WI on Monday. The great news is that they are going to cover her afternoon event live on the local NBC affilliate and I will be able to watch it here in Minnesota on my cable service. That affilliate is one of the biggest in Wisconsin.

    Bill and Chelsea both came to Lacrosse last week and there was a lot of coverage by the local TV stations (CBS, ABC and FOX) and local newspapers.

    I’m so glad they came here…

  28. TPS

    Dont for get the nasty comment is wifey poo made about how “families” should be all like hers. she said it was important for the Nominee to “be a role model” and that “it was important to model what a “good” family should look like” then she said “if you can’t take care of your own family then you cant take care of the whitehouse” As a woman I was totally insulted. Basically it’s like blaming Hillary for Bills little fling wiht Lewinsky. If we follow Michelles logic, then every woman whos husband cheats it is the womans fault. And…. any family not JUST like Michelles is not “good” so all americans who are divorced, or suffered through marital affairs and remained to gether, any single parent families are all ” no good” according to the perfect creature Michelle Obama. Oh, so sorry forgot she was married to the second coming of Christ:)

  29. from cnn… luis jimenez is known as the latin howard stern and has a huge following. he says that latinos are going with hrc and its not based on racism. its based on who they know and who they trust. he said that many latinos see AAs and Latinos as competing minorities.

  30. It may turn out to be a good thing that Hillary has not campaign in WI until the last 3 days before the election. WI voters tend to decide who they are going to vote for at the last minute.

  31. okay… got a partial answer form demconwatch regarding SD votes:

    my question:
    If this comes down to the SDs and they cast their vote at the convention, are the SD votes public or private?

    demconwatch.com answer:

    I have a partial answer for you. As you know, at conventions, they announce each state’s total vote. What I found out is that, in addition, each state is required to send a list of all delegate votes to the Secretary at the same time they announce the total vote. So, assuming this rule is followed, the DNC has a list of everybody’s specific votes.What I don’t know is whether those lists are made public. I can’t see how they would justify not making them public, but I just don’t know. But we will find out! matt

    my opinion:
    in light of the way that we know that AA SDs are being strongarmed by AA party leaders… i feel that whether or not the votes are made public is huge!

    thoughts??? does anyone else think its odd that no one knows the answer to this question??? shouldnt we know this?

  32. About the votes of the SDs.

    In most conventions in recent years, the nominee has been clear by the time of the convention, and everyone ended up voting for him. So who anyone voted for was not an issue.

    The last Dem convention I can remember where there were many votes for other than the eventual nominee was 1960. (But I wasn’t paying attention in the 70s, so this may have been the case in 76, I don’t know.)

    Anyhow, votes at a convention haven’t been an issue for a very long time. And the rules about SDs probably were made after the 60s-70s anyway.

  33. Stopping for a brat and a cheer
    Feb. 16, 2008
    Hillary Clinton to appear at the Brat Stop today
    TERRY FLORES

    Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will visit Kenosha today in the midst of a close race with Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    The New York senator is scheduled to appear at a rally with doors opening 2:30 p.m. at the Brat Stop, 12304 75th St. The event is expected to begin at 3 p.m. and is open to the public on a first-come, first-served basis. No event tickets will be issued.

    http://www.kenoshanews.com/article_comments/view_comments.php?articleNum=2546799

  34. Just read on Wespac that Wes Clark will be campaigning with Hillary in WI and OH. Good news indeed. Folks will get to see not only the Democratic nominee for President, but also her vp choice in action.

    Go Hill! Go Wes!!

  35. Good Morning all,

    Glad to hear that Wes Clark is gong to campaign with Hillary. I love Wes and would love to see him on Hillary’s ticket.. 🙂

  36. Okay, looked at that Obama “periodically down” comment a few more times this morning.

    You guys are right, it’s a put down based on stereotypes.

    I engage in a political discussion on a board. I’m the ONLY woman who posts there. If I make a valid point, several of the men will make comments like this: “My goodness, someone is overly sensitive, huh” and “Let us know when you’re over your crisis” . When I punch back, the comments become: “Wow, why so bitchy?” and “I guess we just can’t say anything to you without you becoming unbalanced”

    These are designed to be subtle put downs…a dismissal of what a person says and thinks based on stereotypes. It’s utter bullshit.

  37. Idunn, I think that Clinton/Clark would kick ass! They would be the perfect ticket to take on McCain/Huckabee who I believe will be the Rebub ticket.

  38. Would someone please put adults in charge of the Democratic Party! I see little references here and there in the media (from prominent Democrats) about the prospect that this campaign will go all the way to the convention, and oh, what a disaster that will be. NOW they’re worried! If they ran a business, it would be bankrupt by now. All this handwringing is about a situation they let happen.

    I can’t help but be amazed that just a year ago, the Democrats were the party with their act together whereas the Republicans were all in disarray. Now, the Republicans are coming together and starting their run for the GE whereas the Democrats are split. The turning point was in the aftermath of The Next President of the United States’ upset win in NH. When BO played the race card against the Clintons, our fearless Democratic Party leaders either sat silent or sided with BO. Leaders need the ability to see into the future, to anticipate likely outcomes from present actions. In my opinion, the present Democratic Party leaders just don’t make the grade!

  39. Wolfson wrote this in today’s morning hub.

    “If You Listen to One Thing Today: At 11:30 a.m. EST, Hillary advisor Harold Ickes holds a conference call with press to discuss the delegate process.”

    Does anyone know HOW we can listen? Is there a link on the Hillary site?

  40. I was thinking about this pattern of Obama using patronizing and coded sexist language to try to put down Hillary with the “periodically feeling down” being the latest.

    Why does he do this? I think this is because he is angry at Hillary. Angry because of her speech yesterday when she pointed out that he is all talk and no action, all promises no solutions, all hat and no cattle. These attacks are getting to him. It says that he has a thin skin and is easily rattled when challenged. So, he feels the need to lash out and the way he lashes out, because he thinks he is so clever and superior, is by using such arrogant, patronizing, sexist language. On the other hand, Hilalry never lashes out at him in this personal way. She has faced a much more difficult environment in the media than him. He is the media darling. Yet, she gets up very day, stays calm, shows equanimity, class, and grace. Obama, in spite of having an adoring press, and having the DNC establishment squarely behind him gets personal over a fairly standard campaign speech.

  41. Just listened to her speech in San Antonio on 2/13, man, she was on fire! What a great speech and what a great crowd.

    Anybody agree that having three weeks or so until March 4 a good thing for HRC? To me, it

    1) Gives her a chance to adjust her campaign and message
    2) Work on grassroots on the ground
    3) Ramp up fundrasing on the internet and elsewhere
    4) Allows McCain and the Rips to vet BO
    5) Gives BO more time to make mistakes (e.g. “periodically…)
    6) BM can start to question the superficial nature of BO and his campaign
    7) Allows more focus on the BO personality cult

    Anything else?

  42. Idunn,

    OMG!!!!

    Camp OBAMA!!!!! And it went on for days last summer. I read the account of a 57 year old man who took part in the ‘camp’. And this guy Creamer was indicted for fraudulent political organizing? SHEEEESH!

    If that’s what we’re up against . . . I had no idea it was organized to this extent. Very scary.

  43. TPS,

    He uses sexist/derogatory language because he has no answers to her charges. He makes a sexist joke/comment to change the topic and then goes on his merry way talking about absolutely nothing but fluff.

    He reminds me of that angel commercial for Philadelphia cream cheese. 😉

  44. I see that Chelsea is Hawaii! Lucky gal! 🙂 She gets to campaign for mom and have some fun in beautiful Hawaii..

  45. Hey all,

    I like Clark too, but he sometimes can seem like a little ‘old’… We don’t need Hillary to be seen as someone from the past. But this is all jumping a little ahead…. but we can dream, as we SHOULD!!

    That said, I have for the past few days, (never thought I’d say this), been thinking that a Clinton/Edwards ticked wouldn’t bee so bad! Of course those thoughts have arrived while hoping he would endorse Hllary, and thinking that that may be a deal that can be made if he is to endorse her.
    He is new/fresh enough(not too much) but not enough to overshadow her in any way! She would be the rock star in that team! And I think people would not only follow JE, but people/media would see this as a punch in the face of obama, and question why, this would start a totally new media narrative in my view. And so I really hope this will happen.

    If Edwards gets to be vp, hen I can live with that!.. (after a lot of thinking) 😉

  46. I want Clark to be VP but I think that Hillary will end up picking Edwards because of his roots in the south, his youth and appeal to the voters. I wouldn’t mind it although Edwards did get on my nerves in this campaign.

  47. Since he still hasn’t pledged support for her, I think an Edwards match is very iffy.

    I would love either men as her v.p.’s but I’m just not sure what Edwards is waiting for.

  48. Psymac: I agree and

    8. It allows time for his ‘mo’ to cool down
    9. It allows time for people to stop, pause and really take a look at him
    10.As with time, people passion dies down and the MSM is forced to cover other stories
    11.It allows her to regroup and get her organization where it needs to be as well as her GOTV

    I’m hoping that Teresa V has a good GOTV to keep Hillary close in WI. Wi will be a challenge for her due to the many,large colleges there and due to same day registration there as well(allows for many repubs to cross over). I think that I also heard that there are lots of indies in WI and we know that they tend to go for him.

    good news, in many of the last primaries, the late deciders tened to break for Hillary and as she will be there the last 3 days, this trend if it holds should help. There are also lots of blue collar, working class folks.

    My view is I’m hoping that she keeps it close.

  49. Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll 2/16

    O 47 C 43

    Seems that BO’s bump is gone. I’m really surprised that he hasn’t broken out in a larger lead and been able to maintain it with all of his past wins and the media adulation. Our girl is still standing.

    I believe on Thur, he was up by 12, then yesterday by 8 and now by 4.

    Interesting indeed.

  50. I wouldn’t have a problem with a Clinton/Edwards ticket either.

    I would. Edwards is not a team player. He and Kerry basically ran a campaign within a campaign. Edwards refused to do many of the things that Kerry wanted him to do.

  51. Is that nuclear-Exelon yotube video saying that Hillary voted for this watered down bill?

    Yes. But HRC (to the best of my knowledge) doesn’t take campaign money from Excelon Execs. AND her campaign manager wasn’t a consultant for Excelon.

  52. In relation to how BHO handled that nuclear leaks bill, it reminds me of an article I saw months ago describing his method of working. He is a compromiser. He may start out wanting something good, but keeps watering it down to get something even if it’s worthless. Sorry, I don’t remember where I saw the article.

    He doesn’t sound like the kind of fighter Hillary is. She knows when to compromise as long as it keeps the strength of her original proposal.

  53. JanH, you are right. He doesn’t want to address issues.

    By the by, I just showed the Obama putdown clip to my wife and my daughter (they are not political junkies like me). Both instantly reacted saying that it was a put down specifically focusing on the fact that she is a woman.

  54. Yes Ann, its on youtube, parts 1 and 2 (change the dot)

    youtube dot com/watch?v=jFJ4vnVdC14&feature=related

    youtube dot com/watch?v=l9MgSQuPrsc&feature=related

  55. Sherm, there’s a pattern in the thing OB does that is more sinister than just “not being a fighter”.

    1). He takes money from Rezko who has alot tied up in the gaming industry. OB says, “Yes, but I took a strong stand against riverboat gambling and even voted against it”. Ummm…no. That was another one of his oops votes. He actually voted FOR it, then said “I made a mistake on that vote. I meant to vote against it.” HOWEVER, the actual vote, once cast, does not get changed. Obama KNOWS that.

    2). When his (and Axelrods) ties to Excelon emerge, OB says, “Now wait, I’ve taken a very hard stand against the nuclear industry. I even wrote a bill insisting that they report all hazards leaks!” Ummm…no he didn’t. He watered down that bill to say that nuclear power plants SHOULD report them.

    I could go on and on, but the bottom line is, if you look at the pattern what you see is a politician who VERY cleverly helps his “friends” while making sure that he can point to things that doesn’t APPEAR that way.

    He’s a fucking snake….hissssssssssss.

  56. but it makes it difficult to attack him on this if she voted for it. Or not?

    No. Hillary is punching OB on what appears to be his willingness to help his friends and campaign contributors.

  57. Idunn, But that has nothing to do with Hillary. However, I’m no fan of Penn; his strategy so far has left something to be desired.

  58. Idunn, But that has nothing to do with Hillary. However, I’m no fan of Penn; his strategy so far has left something to be desired.

    Totally agree with you Paula. And these are the kinds of mistakes that Penn makes over and over and over again. Why the hell does he even mention Axelrod’s consulting work for Excelon when he’s done the same damn thing? Why wouldn’t he just have left that out? It’s just….stupid.

  59. HillaryHub isn’t as updated as frequently as before. It’s either that there hasn’t been a lot of positive news in the MSM or the new internet team wants to spotlight the frontpage stories longer.

  60. Idunn says if you look at the pattern what you see is a politician who VERY cleverly helps his “friends” while making sure that he can point to things that doesn’t APPEAR that way.

    Yes, he’s sneaky and careful. On paper he’s got a good voting record according to the progressive record-keepers. However behind the scenes, on issues that don’t show on that record, he goes along with big business, Chicago establishment, etc, so they support him.

    He’s a puppet and a token.

  61. PETITION HERE .. seat the Florida delegates .. also, other things to do.

    ADMIN: Perhaps this could be included in your pages

    h t t p : //florida-delegates.com/pages/your-help/what-to-do.php

    also, if someone can do a direct link on this it would be great….

  62. media bias – it’s so obvious, if they could parse the hell out of “fairy tale,” why not PERIODICALLY? I urge everyone to write to female journalists, pundits, etc about this double standard. I don’t care if they’re transparently for Obama on the cable networks, but when women don’t stand up for women, they’re complicit in this kind of sexism. one of Taylor Marsh’s readers noted this response:

    Nora O’Donnell: “He said, ‘I understand when she’s down (emphasis hers), that she makes these kinds of attacks. It’s getting a little personal.”

    Andrea Mitchell: “It’s getting a little personal and, very frankly, you know how deeply we interpreted every comment to look for some sort of racial motivation before South Carolina. A lot of people said it was there. But, you know, when you start describing a female (emphasis hers) candidate as being “down” and “striking back.” I don’t know, that’s a little edgy, don’t you think?”

    Nora O’Donnell: “Yeah. And I think there’s gonna be a lot more comments about that.”

  63. Hillary’s swing state strength: Video

    cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/02/16/levs.clinton.swing.state.race.cnn

  64. petition to seat the Florida delegates:

    please put http: in front

    //florida-delegates.com/

    Admin if you can do a direct link … this is a great site.

  65. I can’t get the link to go through.

    There is a petition to get the Florida delegates seated….

    h t t p : / / florida-delegates.com/

  66. good article posted on Noquarterusa.net about Chelsea and her wonkishness:

    Chelsea Clinton Talks Policy in Obama Territory

    “Instead, she upholds another Clinton tradition: blitzing her targets with policy details. In a single hour of responding to questions at the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire on Tuesday, Ms. Clinton talked about Medicare Part D, the distinction between the chronically and occasionally uninsured, health care premium caps, Pell grant allowance maximums, income contingency repayment programs for financial aid, sugar-based ethanol and carbon sequestration. That is not counting her detours into Romanian reproductive policy and the design of the internal combustion engine.”
    nytimes.com/2008/02/16/us/politics/16chelsea.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203178344-uZNyK4MckIJOqn3JjiWfBg

  67. On a lighter note, hubby is watching “White Buffalo” on western channel right now and this Indian is doing the “Dean Scream”. Now I know where it originated LOL.

    Anybody calling Wisconsin today? I don’t see how Hillary does this day after day after day. I suppose it is different being in different places but phone banking is not a job I’d want on a permanent basis. Still, for the cause I’d suck lemons.

  68. ABC’s Picked This Up (though I wouldn’t expect it to last, or, as stated yesterday – reach the feeding frenzy stage)

    Is Obama Using Sexist Language?
    February 16, 2008 11:30 AM

    Earlier this month, speaking at Tulane University, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said this about the attacks coming his way from Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY:
    “You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out,” Obama said.
    The CLAWS come out? Really?
    Then yesterday Obama told reporters who had asked about Clinton’s latest attack ad, “I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal.”

    That prompted some female TV reporters to question the language he was using.

    According to this unofficial transcript, over at MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell and Norah O’Donnell seemed to suggest Obama may have been — if not playing the gender card, then using language women voters might find offensive.

    Language such as “when she’s feeling down” “periodically” she “launches attacks.”

    Nora O’Donnell: “He said, ‘I understand when she’s down, that she makes these kinds of attacks.’ It’s getting a little personal.”

    Andrea Mitchell: “It’s getting a little personal and, very frankly, you know how deeply we interpreted every comment to look for some sort of racial motivation before South Carolina. A lot of people said it was there. But, you know, when you start describing a female candidate as being ‘down’ and ‘striking back,’ I don’t know, that’s a little edgy, don’t you think?”

    Nora O’Donnell: “Yeah. And I think there’s gonna be a lot more comments about that.”*

    Pro-Clinton blogger Taylor Marsh writes that words like this, in her view, indicate “a way of thinking about women. A way of demeaning women in power; even saying we’re not up to the job. Seriously, Senator Hillary Clinton is a woman running for president. Not some emotional menopausal diva popping pills because she’s depressed she broke a nail.”
    “Claws”…”feeling down”…I find it hard to envision Obama using the same language if he were facing, say, former Sen. John Edwards, D-NC.
    But what do you think?

  69. well too bad the sexist language article comes on the weekend…I wonder what oh, I feel it runnin up my leg Matthews would say to cover that.

  70. it’s so sad to hear all this “Got Pimp” and shit signs being thrown at Chelsea

    Sad? Yes. But Chelsea is a strong, intelligent woman. She’ll handle it just fine.

  71. I guess I can be happy today. I have been accused as being the mostr nasty and mud slinging guy on our forum – because of course I must be a racist and I hate Obama. LOL
    I like that

  72. Where did you see this about those signs….well, the obamabots are only following their leader .. he’s already had his dirty hands in the sexist language.

  73. Obama’s “Che Gate” Continues:

    [img]http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/20080211obamachehouston2__oPt.jpg[/img]

    In case that didn’t work, here’s a link to the post: http://perezhilton.com/2008-02-16-barack-hearts-che#

    Che/Obama pic is NOT going to play well in Miami, where wearing a Che shirt in certain parts of town is liable to get your @ss chewed out by some angry defectors.

    I don’t know why the DNC and Obama is so set on losing Florida. Was Obama paying attention in 2000? Or was he too busy plotting his next political career move?

  74. this is what they wrote

    ….Seriously, the Obama-hate here has just reached unbelievable heights. Seriously, you may not vote for him, dislike him for political reasons, but you can’t attack the guy’s credibility/integrity, when you praise a guy like Bill Clinton who, prior to being the US President, had somewhat of the same credentials/experience as Obama.

    That’s pure hate…..

  75. I watched that Coulter video…yikes. Maybe the rightwing fringe will also vote for HRC in the GE and give us a landslide. Votes I don’t like, but don’t mind getting. Mann Coulter is a scary creature.

    I am thinking, today, in like 30 minutes I have a meeting with the state college democrats exec board, and I am going to wear my pin and see if I can’t get into a debate. I need a little fun with an obamabot. I miss the looks on their faces when I tell them how fake and rediculously unelectable he is, and they say “his speech made me cry”, and then I like to follow that up with, “and this qualifies him to be president how..???”

  76. HIllary cutting short one day of WI campainging I wish she wouldn’t! We need that state for positive coverage going into March 4th! I hope she has good organization on the ground!

  77. Yall, I think if somebody starts taking looks a OB’s speeches and vetting them for plagerism his integrity score might just go down a point or two.

  78. hillary is goign to wi this afternoon and in fact will hae a joint appearance with obama tonight at the state dem dinner.

  79. Moring everyone. Here is a new diary at mydd based on stuff gleaned from here this morning and something I’ve been working on.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/16/143326/350

    Please recommend it.

    I think it would be helpful if this got spread everywhere. We have been gamed bigtime. Our primaries have been subverted. This has to become better known!

  80. I reposted this article about him being rude about Hillary and the whole “claws” article – one Obama supporter from Germany no less – is laughing about it. apparently they support his choice phrases.

  81. “but you can’t attack the guy’s credibility/integrity”

    –Hmmmm, now where have I heard that one? (Snaps fingers) Oh yeah–about BUSH! No one could attack his credibility, no one could attack him, period, without retaliations and attacks back, some even got fired from jobs for questioning Bush and his crowd’s deceptive dishonest modus operandi, even with the evidence of all the Bush lies clearly spelled out, people were STILL being told Bush was an outstanding wonderful person, by the media and by his supporters, were being told that “Bush means well.”

    “when you praise a guy like Bill Clinton who, prior to being the US President, had somewhat of the same credentials/experience as Obama.”

    –What a non sequitor that sounds like. Notice how the poster doesn’t mention that BUSH also was lacking in experience and look how that turned out. And in my opinion Clinton did not run the disgusting campaign that Obama has, but, um, the republicans did for Bush. Remember all those goons that showed up to prevent the votes being counted eight years ago, and here are yet another group of goons yet again saying votes shouldn’t be counted—and in one of the same states.

  82. risgo: It’s mixed. some yes, some hangups, a few “Nos”, a few undecided.
    I try to get them in conversation.

    Anybody have the WI schedule? For tomorrow?

  83. hillary is goign to wi this afternoon and in fact will hae a joint appearance with obama tonight at the state dem dinner.

    Ewww. Hope she brings along her official food tester.

  84. Not being negative here but I am dismayed that Hillary cancelled her Eau Claire WI rally that was going to be shown live on the local NBC TV affilliate on Monday. That leaves the local channel with no live Hillary coverage but a live broadcast of Obama’s UW Eau Claire speech today. No specific reason given by the campaign but I read that Hillary is leaving WI a day early. Her team on the ground in WI said it looked like she was overbooked.

    I’m really frustrated as it gives WI viewers 2 hours of free coverage of an Obama speech this afternoon and no follow-up broadcast for Hillary. I know that it’s hard to campaign everywhere but why couldn’t she at least stay until late Monday afternoon?

  85. hi hillfans, i will be home all afternoon to get my hillary news. i thought i ould be out all day but that is done. anyway i posted on talor marsh’s blog on sexism by obamabots at my place of work. offcourse they deny it.

  86. I read this post from this morning’s WaPo Blog about McCain, Bambi, and campaign finance….

    ow, I ask you, my brilliant friends, and even to those of us who are just NORMAL….does this not sound like the most frightening and vapid cult logic for having Barack Obama as the most powerful man in the world?

    “KABOOKEY wrote:
    We need hope because without it there is no hope. We need change because without it you are unchange and lastly we need the future because without the future you are stuck in the past. Come with me with a new hope and change to a better future. Only we can change the future and bring hope to a new world inspired by us. We are the beginning and the end and unless we begin it will only be an end. The choice is clear. Faith, Hope and Love and the greatest is Love. So says the Lord.

  87. American Gal..media in Wisconsin have been saying Hillary is ignorning them.

    Why would they do this…forget the damn dinner and campaign your ass off. How can she be overbooked if she is leaving early. Sorry, my claws are coming out. Don’t give up on any votes.

    She either feels really confident or…

  88. This campaign has exactly zero margin for error, so let’s hope canceling in WI is the absolute last of it.
    When the history of this campaign is written it’ll be hard not to note the patchwork quality. This shit matters, it has a cumulative effect.
    Yeah, I know, we’re supposed to be “positive” here, right?
    But Jesus Christ, enough with shooting ourselves in the foot!
    Hill’s got enough working against her!

    These polls are close enough in Wisconsin that it should’ve been an all-out effort there. We staring at another goose egg Tuesday and Wisconsin was her best shot. WTF?

  89. …Space, that’s some of the most convoluted nonspecific vapid illogic I’ve ever read.

    And “So says the Lord”? NEWSFLASH: this country ain’t a CHURCH.

    I’m really sick of living in this misogynistic theocracy the Bush goons have helped create.

  90. I read every where that WI is going to be very competitive. I am totally puzzled as to why Hillary is spending very little time in Wisconsin. Any answers??

  91. Why Fran…..?

    If there is no logic, it will be illogical. If there is nothing to understand, it will be understandable. If there is no God, there will be Obama.

    What’s the problem?

    (HACK :-()

  92. Blue, I can’t understand that either, but maybe there is something up her sleeve, or something she knows that we don’t?

    Maybe she’s gone to Hawaii to shove some of those P*** signs up the butts of those little freaks supporting Bambi

    Mothers have claws, ya know?

  93. where to after Wisconsin??? She’s been all over Texas and Ohio…onto Pennsylvania? I’d rather she stay in Wisconsis but I’m just a little ole volunteer.

  94. “I’m really frustrated as it gives WI viewers 2 hours of free coverage of an Obama speech this afternoon and no follow-up broadcast for Hillary.”

    Isn’t she in WI today? Why would there be no coverage?

  95. With WI, it may be that the campaign knows the polls are close but in the end she really needs to win Texas and Ohio. With Obama picking up that union vote the campaign might feel that she needs to put in more time in those places.

  96. So anybody know tomorrow’s schedule?

    Well Molly, I plan to get up, have alittle coffee, maybe start the laundry…:)

  97. Americagal,
    I’m not sure of the reason but I read today that the weather in WI is going to be horrid. They are calling for lots of snow, sleet and ice.

    Where did you see that she had cancelled the rally for tomorrow? Also, as I have written here, the fact that WI has many, large universities AND same day registration AND lots of indies doesn’t bode well for Hillary.

    I saw her this week saying that WI was an uphill battle for her. That was before she had decided to come to WI. My only optimism is that she keeps it close.

  98. Paula, I’m sure there is WI coverage of Hillary. I know the news channels have been covering her daily. But WEAU, the big NBC affilliate in Eau Claire, is having 2 hours live coverage of Obama’s UW Eau Claire speech today and had planned 2 hours coverage of a Hillary speech on Monday. I think this is the only live coverage they have planned. That’s why it’s frustrating that Hillary, by her early departure, won’t get this free coverage.

  99. Union endorsement will not IMO sway people. They want to hear the candidates in person. So Bambi is not going to debate her in Wisconsin? Please do not lose another opportunity

  100. Hill must be “periodically feeling down” (thus the WI cancellation).

    And I must be dense, because I actually didn’t catch that when Obama said it, and I was watching it live!
    There’s another huge opening BO has given the Hill camp.

    Where are the surogates?! Demand an apology.
    Play up what is obvious code language for male voters
    at the expense of women.

    It’s pretty fuckin’ outrageous when you think about it.

    Hit’em Hard Hill!!!

  101. Blue Democrat, I’m with you. They’ve been badly out-organized, and bringing Maggie Williams in now probably can’t reverse that overnight.

    They have Theresa Villmain there, so they’re not writing off WI. but I don’t get it at all. Did they just announce the cancelling of the Eau Claire rally?

  102. tiberones, I didn’t think about the weather. That could be a factor. Perhaps the newschannel will have updated information on the rally change later today.

  103. Blue, I saw it live too and that is EXACTLY what i thought! I thought “you condescending little b******, who the hell are YOU?”

  104. gawd..I just do not want to see her make the same mistakes that Rudy did. If she gets slanted into that envelope it will be hard for her to dig out. I’d spend a couple days in Wisconsin…the other primaries are far enough away.

    However, that being said, I did read that Hillary told somebody she had a bug of some sort that she was having trouble getting rid of…maybe it is a simple as needing a day off. How long has it been since she has had a real day off.

    It’s just hard to see event “cancelled”….

  105. Obama Unmasked & Gamed

    Robert Creamer, who pleaded guilty of bank fraud and failure to pay federal taxes in Aug, 2005, and who spent the second half of 2006 living at the Federal Corectional Institute in Terre Haute, Indiana, taught at “Camp Obama” in 2007. His job: to instruct interns and volunteers in political organizing–the very abuses of which sent him to jail.

    What did Creamer teach at Obama’s week long politial training camp? He lectured that there are only two groups of voters who decide the outcomes of elections. And these are the targets of communiation that can be affected by political campaigns. They are “persuadables” and “mobilizables.”

    According to Creamer in an article which appeared yesterday in the Huffington Post, “persuadables” are voters who are switch hitters, they will vote either party, but they always vote. The deal is that they have to be persuaded to vote for your candidate. “Mobilizables” don’t have to be persuaded. But they often don’t vote. They have to be “inspired” to vote.

    He then gives examples of Obama’s message which targets these groups:

    That we’re all in this together, not all in this alone;

    Unity not division;

    Hope not fear;

    Creamer has little respect for issues. Forget 10 point plans. Stick with inspiration.

    Unfortunately, while the carefully nurtured political gambit of Inspiration with a capital I has surely succeeded; and it does match for cynicism anything out of the Karl Rove playbook, the Republicans have gamed the effort.

    Rove was another step ahead of Obama.

    Forty percent of the Obama voters in Iowa were Republicans. Obama will tell you his “inspiration” message is working. Republican operatives tell a different story.

    There is a very successful GOP strategy to take out Hillary in the democratic primaries that is capitalizing on the Obama strategy.

    Former Senator Lincoln Chafee, the most famous vote for John Bolton to become Ambassador to the United Nations and who was defeated for re-election in the 2006 mid-term elections in Rhode Island by Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse, publicly endorsed Obama last week. The Rhode Island primary is March 4. Chafee joins a long list of Republicans who have either endorsed the junior senator outright or praised him mightily. Robert Kagan, a leading neoconservative and co-founder of the New American Century, a group which called for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, has praised Obama fulsomely.

    But more importantly there is a nationwide roster of Republican party activists who have backed Obama and then brought their constituents along with them to vote Independent or cross party lines to vote for Obama is a fact of this primary season.

    The pattern is so widespread that one has to wonder what is going on?

    Obama, via his now obvious campaign strategy outlined above, would have us believe that his cross party appeal is bringing in tons of new voters. Men and women, he asserts, who are abandoning their party to vote for him. And some Democratic Party officials and activists are supporting Obama based on this assertion. Who doesn’t want a candidate who can bring in masses of new voters? Nancy Pelosi it has been rumored, impressed by this vote-getting ability, is considering endorsing Obama.

    But what if Obama is not actually bringing in tons of new voters? What if Republicans have organized to cross party lines or vote independent with one goal in mind: to defeat Senator Clinton. And what if this strategy was developed by top level Republican party functionaries– including Karl Rove– who believe Clinton will be the more formidable opponent in the general election?

    Anecdotal evidence in support of a Republican manipulation is everywhere. Remember the recent Obama win in Maryland? Nicole Price, the Maryland political director of Obama’s campaign told the Washington Times that when she arrived in the state to ramp up the campaign. She found “a home-grown campaign already thriving.” Republicans backing Obama had put more yard signs in Maryland than in South Carolina and they had paid for the signs “themselves.” The Times also noted that in Louisiana, where he won by a wide margin, exit polls showed that Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary favored Mr. Obama 3-1 over Clinton. About 5 percent of the voters in the Democratic primary said they were Republicans.

    According to the Washington Times story, Daniel B., Chance, a retired oil man, voted for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in the Maryland Republican primary in the morning. He then spent the afternoon making calls from the phone bank at the Obama campaign’s Baltimore County Headquarters in Towson.

    The critical point here is this: what is a loyal Huckabee supporter doing making calls for Obama.

    Moreover, the Huckabee supporter joined a large mix of either Republicans like himself or Democrat for-a-day Republican converts who were also making calls on behalf of Obama.

    Besides this anecdotal evidence, are there any hard facts which support a widespread Republican manipulation of the Democratic primaries? Time magazine reports,

    “Rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations to vote in Democratic primaries.”

    In Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for Obama on February 9th. And according to CNN in Iowa 44 percent of those voting for Obama were Republican.

    Joe Conason in Salon in late December wrote,

    “In the weeks since Karl Rove offered his unsolicited advice on how to defeat Hillary Clinton in the pages of the Financial Times, right wing expressions of support for Obama have become increasingly conspicuous and voluble.”

    These include opinion makers like the Weekly Standard, William Kristol who endorsed Obama in a NY Times editorial and George Will. Three major fundraisers for the President have now given money to Obama. The Weekly Standard ran a cover story in early December that according to Conason “literally swooned” over Obama. This story was written by Stephen Hays, Dick Cheney’s admiring biographer and according to Conason “the last journalist on earth who still believes that Saddam Hussein was allied with al_Qaida.”

    The broadcast media apparently not immune itself to the “inspiration message manipulation” of voter emotion has also displayed an fawning adulation of Obama. For example one only need consider Chris Mathews saying he got a thrill in his leg over Obama. And this must be contrasted with a deplorable bias and outright prejudice against Clinton. Karl Rove citing polling data declared,

    “There is no candidate on record, a front-runner for a party’s nomination, who has entered the primary season with negatives as high as she has.”

    And like little sprouts off the main tree all the broadcast networks began hammering home the idea that “the voters don’t like her.” Over and over and over again adjectives such as “unlikeable,” “divisive,” and “polarizing,” have been repeated about Clinton in an avalanche of negative press. This repetion cannot help but remind one of the way “weapons of mass destruction” were repeated ad nauseum in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. And very much like that media orchestrated campaign or the one that buried Al Gore, both of which were based on so much false and perjured evidence, nowhere is it understood, let alone reported, that Rove based that original assessment on interviews with conservative voters.

    There are here and there in the public square a few who are questioning what appears to be a mindless adoration of Obama’s message of hope. And often times this is based on what appear to be amazing contradictions in his stated positions on those apparently “non-inspriing” issues.

    A friends sent me a list of someone’s questions:

    How do you believe in someone who says he’ll agree to public campaign financing and now is taking it back?

    How do you believe in someone who claimed not to have PACs and now is found to have donated more than 4 times what Clinton did to Super Delegates?

    How do you believe in someone who says he’s for gun control in one state and against it in another state?

    How do you believe in someone who claims not to be playing the race card and then gets caught circulating a memo detailing how to do just that?

    How do you believe in someone who sends Jesse Jackson Jr. to intimidate black candidates who support Clinton?

    The blogger who wrote this cracked me up and I close with it now because it is just so perfect:

    There is a sucker born every minute, I hear.
    I just didn’t realize they’d all join up at once and chant, “Yes We Can!”

  106. of what i am seeing in every public poll she has a fighting chance in wisconsin. nothing like the blowouts in last weeks primaries. maybe they see internals that we don’t? damn. she is raising money online. 100’s of thousands of calls are being made in wisconsin. i hope she stays there at least until monday. 2 weeks is enough time in texas and ohio.

  107. Don’t worry, like the saying “Time wounds all heals”, BO will make his many mistakes over the next two weeks with all this cult sh*t and his hubris.

  108. “Blue Democrat, I’m with you. They’ve been badly out-organized”

    –Very nice insult against the campaign and compliment to the other side.

  109. actually, it kind of makes sense for her to put more time and effort into Ohio and Texas. Here’s the delegate stats for each state:

    WI 92
    Ohio 161
    Texas 228

  110. Idunn, just thought I’d warn you that if Ann Coulter is your ‘girlfriend’ she looks high maintenance to me.

  111. Maybe something bigger is happening on Monday. Has she ever simply “canceled” an event. This was on right up til today. something is up and it’s most likely very big

  112. Well Fran, this is the consensus, the campaign knows it didn’t have the field organization, see this weeks Time article. We’re just calling it like it is, truth is helpful.

  113. People, I posted the rally change just for information. It was disappointing, especially since my sister and I had planned to attend, not because her overall schedule has changed.

    Any change by Hillary’s campaign is no doubt decided for valid reasons. We need to support their decision at this time as they know way more about the details of the situation on the ground there than we do (and leaving early does not necessarily mean something bad).

  114. Linfar, excuse me if I missed the citation in your post, but was this published somewhere or your analysis? (Which I agree with and was selling to a republican friend today who is willing to look at Hillary if she makes it to the GE. She had a hard time believing this, but said it sounded “interesting”. I would like to mail this to her.)

  115. dot48, I agree with you. Maybe something else is on the horizon for Monday but they don’t want to say as yet.

  116. high maintenance psymac? hell what about a little more meat on them bones. hell, coulter is 85 pounds soaking wet with clothes and jewelry on.

  117. Great, now I’m being chastised for stating what the campaign even acknowledges. Next you’re going to call me an Obama supporter, right?

  118. Hey Fran,
    I’ve restrained myself all week against you’re complaining – but it won’t last forever. People are discussing the campaign here, often breaking news (and Admin has not jumped in despite the requests of myself and others to lay out exactly what is/is not permissable) and it is human nature to look at all sides – plus, we’re starved for some good fucking news!

    Please give it a rest – or go to the scrubbed Hillary sanctioned sites where you’ll find nothing but 100% positives.

  119. just thought I’d warn you that if Ann Coulter is your ‘girlfriend’ she looks high maintenance to me.

    Listen, Ann is NOT high maintenance…she just gets periodically crazy from time to time. Usually from the time she wakes up until the time she goes to bed, but…;)

  120. Lots of good stuff in that “Obama Unmasked & Gamed,” especially this:

    “According to the Washington Times story, Daniel B., Chance, a retired oil man, voted for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in the Maryland Republican primary in the morning. He then spent the afternoon making calls from the phone bank at the Obama campaign’s Baltimore County Headquarters in Towson.

    The critical point here is this: what is a loyal Huckabee supporter doing making calls for Obama.”

    In my opinion, this election’s being rigged against Clinton and either for Obama because he’s pals with the republicans or for the republican candidate because the repubs think Obama can be more easily beat. Either way, with Obama as president or the R-party candidate as president, it seems the republicans would win. The myths of Clinton’s unpopularity and negatives—I think they’re just that—myths. She’s actually popular. Four years ago even the Bush-biased media were saying if she’d run the Bush-biased polls were showing she’d win in various match-ups. And if those rigged polls were showing she’d do well, she would have probably done REALLY well. Her support is continually underestimated, and Bush and now Obama’s support are overestimated. These over- and underestimations are convenient ways to fix, throw and/or generally meddle with the elections here, and with people’s psychologies. People have got to stop falling for the propaganda.

  121. Is she cancelling all Monday appearances or just the Eau Claire one? I think she may be doing other events there still.

  122. You people think other people don’t talk behind this place or notice what’s going on here? It ain’t only me. Certain posters here are primarily negative. I’m going to start complaining to the admin directly. I’d be willing to help moderate here.

  123. “Great, now I’m being chastised for stating what the campaign even acknowledges. Next you’re going to call me an Obama supporter, right?”

    –At least 3/4 of your posts I’ve read here have been negative toward Clinton.

  124. Fran, IMO, it’s not that “people have to stop falling for that propaganda”, it’s that that propaganda MUST be exposed, repeatedly and asked “WHY is Obama compliant to this?”

  125. Periodically her claws come out, eh?

    She scratches me back, I scratch her back, it’s a give and take kind of relationship. And therein lies the beauty.

    (excuse me while I go throw up)

  126. I absolutely agree that the GOP is doing its level best to insure an Obama nomination. And Dems are too dumb to see it.

  127. Paula, i DO NOT BELIEVE that the “insider” dems are too stupid to see it.

    LOL….Hillary on tv (recorded) screaming YES WE WILL, repeatedly!

    LOVE THAT WOMAN!!!!!

  128. Look, this is not a cult or the ‘Ministry of Truth’, its an open forum supporting HRC, including constructive analysis, trenchant observations, sharing of emotions, necessary humor, and the occasional flip remarks (idunn excepted of course).

  129. Fran…we don’t need moderation. This place has been going really well this week. Lay off … or better yet ..get on the horn and start making calls. We been busting our a$$ this week, how many calls you made.

    I’m not sorry for calling you out.

  130. necessary humor

    un-neccesary humor…biblical analysis…coulter hating free for alls by which I am throughly disgusted by….it’s a real pandoras box in here. 😉

  131. Paula, i DO NOT BELIEVE that the “insider” dems are too stupid to see it.

    You may have a point, but I still think they’re not the sharpest knives in the drawer, lol.

  132. awww, a cute message from hillary. i just saw it from my email inbox. GLAD TO HELP HILLARY AND MORE HELP IS ON THE WAY!!!!

  133. I urge everyone here to read Taylor Marsh’s latest on a Margaret Carlson e-mail someone found. Very interesting …

  134. Paula, from what I find on the Hillary.com website Hillary has events tomorrow…a town hall in De Pere and a rally in Madison. Nothing else listed for Monday.

  135. RJK, hubby and I use the name “obama” all the time now, to drive home a point.

    If he asks me something and I gloss over it, he says, “Stop trying to obama me. Answer the question!”

    When I come up with an idea and he smurfs it, I say, “Damn, you obama’d all the credit for that!”

    When something gets out of control we say, “Oh man, that’s obamarama, huh?”

    it’s a running joke we’re just loving in my house these days.

  136. Spacegirl, about your question on the “Obama Unmasked and Gamed” post which is up at Taylor Marsh now and at Mydd. It is my analysis and my diary. But many, many people have been wondering what is going on and in general I think lots and lots of us have been getting queasy. Something just hasn’t been adding up. So I have been collecting evidence. I wish some hotshot investigatgive reporter would get on it now. I just don’t have those kind of resources. If you like the diary, please recommend it at mydd. And also recommend any place else you can think of. I am hoping I have put in enough evidence now that if it gets circulated widely enough, it will trickle out into the mainstream.
    Rise Hillary Rise

  137. who else thinks the ObamaHype(tm) is about toexhaust out. Just glossing over the net this afternoon, checking a few places, etc. His all talk, all take, no substance is starting to sink in.

  138. fran always must criticize others when there is healthy discussion going on. Why?

    I LIKE this baord because of the fact that it is UNLIKE the Hillary Board.

    Here, I can say:

    obama sucks ass.

    On the HIllary board, my message is not shown.
    Here, I can discuss politics and the strengths and weaknesses of both campaigns.
    ON the Hillary baord, I can’t.

    DOn’t get me wrong. I would never go to some cult-place like Dailykos or some other crap where unless I bow down to obama, I get slapped in the face.

    Cool your jets Fran. This board is fine. SO what if the comments seem antsy? The point being: PEOPLE ARE FREE TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT. If I wanted a suffocatingly happy Hillary board, I would’ve gone to the HRC website blog.

    Why don’t you cool it? Whenever I bring up these valid points you say things like “well, you’re SO outragEOUSS that I’m not going to answer you.”

    Why Fran? Is it because you understand that I’m right?

    You can be 100% positive all you want, doesn’t stop the rest of us.

    And I personally vote NO to a Fran moderatorship. Maybe an Idunn one or TheREalist or Spacegirl or Hawk one, and prbbly an admin one, but Fran, you should learn to let people say reasonable things. Its not like we’re bashing Hillary. O_o

  139. Fran,
    I could write thread after thread after thread about things I haven’t agreed with in this campaign – but I don’t.
    Instead I just wrote that when the campaign’s history is written, it’ll be hard not to notice the patters.
    Now – of course – everyone here hopes the story of the campaign has a happy ending. But for now – and especially when new storylines are developing – I think many are just searching for answers, and they certainly don’t deserve to get attacked for it.

    Unless you honestly believe the Obama campaign doesn’t notice Hill canceling events in Wisconsin. Cause then I really can’t help you.

  140. “This place has been going really well this week.”

    –Are you an official behind this place? If not, your opinion isn’t necessarily more valid than mine or anyone else’s. This past week I received two emails from two different people disgusted by what’s been said and is being said on here.

    I cannot make calls because: 1) I cannot open the Clinton site, which is where people seem to get the instructions from, 2) I’m an uninhibited speaker, I cannot make calls to strangers, especially if they might be Obama supporters. My doing so would probably not help Clinton’s campaign. I’m not going to attempt doing stuff I’m incapable of doing, which might hurt her. People can contribute in different ways. I’ve been debunking the propaganda with my writing; someone’s got to do it.

    Finally, I’m going to remove the permalinks to here on my sites because of the negativity in the comments. I think there are clearly trolls in here, but if the admin can’t do anything about that, there’s nothing I can do about it. I’ll link to Clinton’s main site, though I have no idea what the content on there is because I can’t get into it.

  141. I don’t see need for any moderator at this time…period. Admin is doing heck of a job…and I don’t mean that in a Brownie type way LOL.

  142. Thanks Linfar, I want to share it with my republican friend, and I want to send it to a media buddy and a HUGE Hillary girl. No guarantee it will do anything, but you have summed it up well.

    Thanks

  143. Milwaukee Sentinel Journal:
    Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton has scaled back her Wisconsin campaign schedule by a full day, and is now planning to leave the state after Monday morning instead of Tuesday morning.

    The move suggests the campaign does not think it can overtake rival Barack Obama here. Obama has already campaigned in the state Tuesday night, Wednesday, Friday, and today. He also has single events planned for Sunday (Kaukauna) and Monday (Beloit).

    While the two have exchanged hard-hitting TV ads here, Obama began airing ads a week earlier and has spent much more on TV.

    Today is Clinton’s first day of campaigning in the state, with an event in Kenosha and a state party dinner in Milwaukee, where Obama also will appear. Clinton will campaign Sunday in De Pere, Wausau and Madison, and is expected to do one event in the state Monday morning before leaving.

    While recent public polls suggested Obama began the run-up to the Feb. 19 primary here with only a small lead, the Clinton campaign has wrestled with the tradeoffs of spending time and money here versus the Ohio and Texas primaries March 4, which Clinton cannot afford to lose.

  144. Fran, I can see both sides of this issue (sue me I’m a diplomat). In fact, I myself have pointed out certain posts here that I didn’t like or trust. But my personal view is that there’s a BIG difference between posters who are honest and willing to look at ALL the facts, and ones who make uselessly negative statements.

    Nobody is suggesting you leave, I don’t think…at least I’m certainly not…I think people are just saying it’s getting to them that no matter what they post, you want it removed. Unless, of course, it’s rainbows and sunshine.

    Just my personal opinion. Now I’ll shut up.

  145. Except the add this:

    MJS, I’m still keeping an eye on you. One more false move and you’re getting a shot of holy water.

  146. Btw: My Daily shoutout to the Obamalamadingdongs:

    YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO LIVE TO SEE AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY BECAUSE THERE WILL NEVER BE AN OBAMA PRESIDENCY SO LONG AS THERE ARE INTELLIGENT, OPEN-MINDED, HARD-WORKING, THINKING, AND LOGICAL PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHO DON’T FIT OBAMA SUPPORTER’s CRITERIA OF: EASILY-BRAINWASHABLE, ANTI-HILLARY, AND EASILY INFLUENCED BY HOPIUM. HILLARY WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES.

  147. In the future if we still have superdelegates (after this primary season), I think it would be wise for the DNC to lay down some very strict rules.
    1) Superdelegates can not endorse any candidate and if they do they lose their vote.
    2) Superdelegates can not work for any candidates campaign and if they do lose their vote.
    3) Superdelegates votes will not be counted during the roll call of states, they will be counted last (Superdelegates vote 406 for candidate “A” and 400 for candidate “B”)
    This would eliminate delegates switching sides back and forth generating unnecessary press. It would also give elected officials cover as no one would know who they voted for at the convention eliminating the fear of being voted out of office because their districts voted another way.

  148. “Why Fran? Is it because you understand that I’m right?”

    –Um, no, it’s because your posts sound like crazy-person posts with your personal attacks against me, strawpeople and other fallacies.

    “If I wanted a suffocatingly happy Hillary board, I would’ve gone to the HRC website blog.”

    –Wow…and you call yourself an HRC supporter when you just attacked her main website? In my opinion, “suffocatingly happy” isn’t a slighting term an HRC supporter (at least one who wasn’t clueless) would publicly use toward Clinton when the rest of the world is suffocatingly nasty to Clinton. Suffocatingly happy should be a breath of fresh air for Clinton supporters, at least temporarily.

  149. Obama has out spent her handily in Wisconsin, according to that article.

    Looks like they are holding onto the $ for more practical areas and bigger pie.

    She will still pick up delegates.

    Phone banking to Wisconsin just got even more important.

  150. Fran, its so sad that you still don’t get it. and probably never will.

    “suffocatingly happy” doesn’t denigrate her board. It says that its very tightly controlled and only comments like “GO HILLARY” are posted. I’ve tried posting stuff like “I wish HIllary would campaign more in Wisconsin” which was DENIED on the board. That’s why I rarely post there, if at all.

    the reason a lot of people appreciate this board is because its more loose and you can express yourself more as opposed to just “GO HILLARY” which seems to be the only thing YOu want.

  151. Blue Democrat, Thanks for posting that. Interesting that Obama is only doing one event in WI Sunday and Monday. Oh well.

  152. 2 weeks is a long way off. I think it makes sense for her to focus on Ohio and Texas. If she can cover some ground in WI while she’s at it, great. If not, we’ll just phone bank our little fingers to the bone to help her out.

    S’all good.

  153. “I think people are just saying it’s getting to them that no matter what they post, you want it removed. Unless, of course, it’s rainbows and sunshine.”

    –Strawperson. Show me that “no matter what they post, you want it removed.” There have been thousands and thousands and thousands of posts here since i started posting. I never said they should all be removed. I’ve rarely pointed this out compared to how many nasty posts there have been.

    Stop making this about attacking me and start making this about helping Clinton and therefore helping US.

  154. Like MJS said a lot of folks come here to vent their frustrations, get to know like minded people going through the same feelings and if they can, help cheer everybody by posting good news when they can.

    Like, I accidently went to msn.com, saw this headline called ‘Obama hits back at Clinton’ and made the mistake of clicking on the link. Apparently, Clinton’s campaign is “flagging” and is trailing in Texas – the asshole reuters reporter chose to highlite that one ARG poll, ignoring all the other showing big leads for her. On reading that biased report, an average, low informed reader is going to think she is in big trouble in Texas and flailing and she falls..

    A million expletives are running inside my head now, all jostling to come out. I wish I could slap that reuters correspondent blue. But by posting here, I help myself by getting that anger out. I’m sure a lot of us do it for the same reasons. And let nobody question our commitment to making Hillary 44.

  155. OK Gang…..I’m going to run to the store for a coke and get on the phones. Everyone here can agree to make at least 25 calls to Wisconsin today, right?

    I know I will, at least, and did that many yesterday, and will tomorrow. I pledged for 3 hours and I want to do more. Hell, I spend that much time here. We all do. Let’s call. Hillary needs us badly, and America needs Hillary.

  156. ^ “Stop making this about attacking me and start making this about helping Clinton and therefore helping US.”

    -why don’t YOU stop trying to point fingers at posts which aren’t really alll that negative or even slightly pro-obama? You’re always the one who starts this with complaining about some negative post, even when they aren’t negative, and frankly, I don’t see how that helps the campaign? 🙂

    Maybe YOu should invest more of your time in chearleading and stop with the salem witch trials, k? 😉

  157. I’m not attacking you, Fran. If I was, you’d definitely know it.

    What I said was that my personal opinion is that there’s a big difference between posting truthful political analysis and posting useless negative crap.

    FURTHERMORE, get off your fucking high horse already. MANY of us have worked our asses off during this campaign. YOU don’t have the market cornered on commitment, Fran.

  158. Dot48

    Read meiyingsu’s post at the beginning of this thread. I think it may turn out that Hillary had the right game plan for Wisconsin all along, saving her valuable time to get a leg up in Texas and money to use for another day. Wisconsin voters have a history of deciding in the last few days who they will vote for. If Hillary wins, it will be called brilliant, if she does not at least she will be close in delegates awarded.

    meiyingsu Says:

    February 16th, 2008 at 8:52 am

  159. Is there a chance that she is setting pretty good right now financially? I know that we have all been giving till it hurts but do you think maybe Okie ought to set up another big “money bomb” for a given day. I’m lean now till first of the month .. but I can start counting pennies..I’m eating pinto’s and cornbread now LOL

  160. Hey yall, For the benefit of those who are visitin’ the site for the first time, why don’t we tell some Hillary stories, like why we are supportin’ Hillary.

  161. dt, all the more reason to get on the phones to Texas and elsewhere and tell them Hillary is leading in xxx polls. And we need your help to keep it that way. Even some not-for-hillary folks i spoke with yesterday were aware of the media’s spin.

    It is UP TO US to change that. AP certainly will not.

  162. + fran, your not in the place to criticize anyone on “helping the Hillary campaign.” right now.

    Idunn made calls yesterday.
    I made calls yesterday.
    SO many others who you are calling ou, made calls for the HRC campaign yesterday.

    You admitted that you can’t make calls. So why are you calling others out on not helping the campaign?
    There ARE ways you can call and help without the website. I’m sure Spacegirl would be more than happy to show you how, but don’t criticze people, especially when its on something completely ludicrous and in your imagination.

    I spend an hour and a half yesterday and plenty of other hours before making calls when no one else was using the phone tool as much. SO, before you criticze other people on their helpfulness or lack of it, to the campaign, ask yourself what YOu can do for the campaign BESIDES attempting to moderate this board?

  163. Let’s go with the money bomb then. I been makin calls for almost an hour now. I come back to the site for a time out.

  164. i donated 244.44 $ to the hillary campaign this morning and still have $400.00 (give or take the 44 cents :-P) which I can give away.

  165. Why I’m supprting Hillary:

    Because for 10 years I’ve studied her life, her journey, and even her stumbles, and there’s NOBODY like Hillary Clinton! She’s the closest I may ever come to having another FDR in the White House, and I’m going to see that happen before I die.

  166. I posted this yesterday, from a hillary blog on her site. I’ll check it out to see if it works when I get back from the store. I’ll post the hillary script if that will help.

    Admin, can I do that?

    by hillaryfansMD 2/13/2008 4:26:38 PM Description
    The WI Primary is on February 19! We HAVE to help Hillary!

    This is the same system we used, dialing in and the campaign calling us back. This system is free, does not show your ID and you decide when to start and stop.

    WARNING: Do not call after 9:00 CST!!! It is illegal!

    INSTRUCTIONS:

    Ready Your Phone

    1. DIAL IN: 1-866-258-4600

    2. The automated voice will ask you, “If this is the phone where you would like to receive your calls, please press pound.”

    3. PRESS #

    4. The automated voice will ask you for your extension. You do NOT have an extension if you are making these calls from your home phone.

    5. PRESS #

    6. Then the automated voice will offer to read you the instructions. If you’ve never made ACTIVATE calls before, you should listen to them. Otherwise, the automated voice tells you that you can enter the Agent ID.

    7. AGENT ID: 401 673 #

    8. The automated voice will tell you to enter your PIN.
    PIN: 2008 #

    9. The automated voice will tell you to hang up your phone.

    10. HANG UP YOUR PHONE

    11. WAIT FOR YOUR PHONE TO RING in 30 seconds or less

    12. When your phone rings, ANSWER YOUR PHONE.

    13. You will hear some tones confirming your entrance into the system, then silence.

    14. WAIT TO HEAR A BEEP: this means that you are on the line live with a caucus goer.

    15. When you hear the beep, say:

  167. This place is hurting my soul. Can I have some holy water Idunn?

    BTW I’m pretty sure I can get to Texas. Cowgirl up!

  168. Absolutely SpaceGirl ! We need to do everything we can.

    What I meant to say is that sometimes people post stuff because they are frustrated with the anti Clinton bias and they use this board to sound off. Its like when I tell my wife about the stuff I come across with a “you wouldn’t believe what that guy said/wrote ..” because I’m mad as hell. That certainly doesn’t make them trolls.

  169. Or you could go buy a $25.00 phone card and use that?

    Also, the national HQ has been very helpful in getting me info when I have something I need to learn. Try them as well for instructions about calling.

    Hillary Clinton for President
    4420 North Fairfax Drive
    Arlington, VA 22203
    703-469-2008
    Fax: 703-962-8600

    Wisconsin Office
    608-824-3125 | Website

    To contact an office near you, please visit your state page.

  170. WELL.

    During the “predictions” segment of the ‘Mclaughlin Group‘, Monica Crowley (RightWing) said:

    I now think that the trial of Tony Rezko, which is due to begin on March 3rd, will have a bigger impact on this campaign than any of us foresaw.

  171. I’d always heard people joke that while Bill was president Hillary was the one who was really running the country. She was a first lady unlike any we’ve had since Eleanor Roosevelt. Contrast Hillary’s role in the Whitehouse to Nancy Reagan’s and Laura Bush’s, it’s remarkable.

  172. TIny: I been thinkin of goin’ to Texas too. Do you know what region you’re goin to?

    Calls are mixed: almost all positive. Lots of people not home or not answering, though. I leave a nice personal message

  173. WHy I support hillary:

    There are so many broad reasons to like a person, to admire a person, to believe in a person. I’m sure I wouldn’t be the first one to admit that I admire many of the men that are found in my history books on their courage, their actions, and their ideologies. For all these reasons and more, I support Hillary Rodham Clinton and am passionate about her ideals and her beliefs. American people deserve a true American people and for nearly a decade now, my American hero has been an astounding American woman: Hillary Clinton. Whether it was watching her efforts in the White house, her successes in the senate, on just hearing her speak so passionately about the country that she loves and the people she truly wants to help, I have come to realize that she is the only hero that I have and that every American should have. How can so many Americans not be attuned to the way this woman fights for our progress? For our success? For our dreams? Everytime I see her speak, i find that same humor, sympathy, passion, intelligience, diligience, consistency, and curiosity that I find in so many people, but most importantly, I find myself and my voice in hers. She stands for what every American should have, should begin, should dream of, should believe in, but at the same time, she stands for me. She stands for America, and she will be our next president.

  174. Who else is getting “no calls in cheque” now at the call center. I got in 3 calls before it went dead on me this time. 1 won’t talk about with, one person really sick who might go if well, another message machine

  175. My support for Hillary is simple.

    She is the one right now with the best policy and best solution to lead us out of the damnation that we as a country are headed to right now.

    IDunn, you have the holy water but Hillary has the brains. And enough balls too, I might add.

    When I watch her, I just don’t understand why everyone has not lined up. She is not the charasmatic preacher type, but she is the smart .. lets get it done type.

    Any other candidate would be dead in the water right now, what with all the pounding she has taken…she is still standing and she is still fighting. That is what she will bring to the Big Office.

    Maybe media will get it before its too late, maybe America will get it too.

    We at Big Pink got it.

  176. Dot: like spacegirlart says, it sometimes doesn’t come right back up. Just go back to the make calls page and start over by hitting the button that says start making calls now. I think it is a sign that a lot of people are making calls!

  177. I think I have figured out why MSNBC is so biased against Hillary and so deferential to Obama. It is a pure business decision.

    In the cable news business, they are in the #3 position today and FOX is #1. FOX has the inside track with the Bush Administration. If they support Obama and get him elected then they can acquire the inside track that FOX has in the next Administration. Then they can move from #3 to #1.

  178. the page says hillary pulling out of wi mon. why? they are tied there. she could win it. they said she would commit 4 days there to close the deal,now what 2 days? im one frustrated supporter these days

  179. I believe she’s (by far) the most prepared for the job.
    The Presidency is a position with many facets. Here are some; Chief Executive, Commander-in-Chief (Commander of ALL of our armed forces) Head diplomat, (The final step in any and all diplomatic situations of critical import is the, “Presidential Summit”.)
    The President is our representative to the World. Travel abroad, and they don’t ask you what you think about Harry Reid, they ask about Bush, the President. In addition the President is asked to be Communicator-in-Chief, to address the American people on topics of import and urgency to the nation, to inform, to inspire, and sometimes to commiserate. The President doesn’t legislate, but sets the TONE and more important, the AGENDA for the legislative branch, using the power of the Presidential Veto on the other end to blunt legislation detrimental to that agenda.
    When I say that she is the most prepared for the job, I mean that I believe that she has the best understanding of the all aspects of the job, in large part because she served as the closest advisor to her husband, President Clinton, for eight years, and as such was privy to all of the things that go into the deliberative process, alliance making, compromises and sometimes, arm-twisting that a President must either delegate or perform. Even a Vice-President and or Cabinet secretary wouldn’t have the same intimate insight and experience as a spouse would, and Hillary was by the President’s own admission, much more than just a Presidential spouse.
    When President Clinton ran in 1992, part of his rationale for his election as President was that when you voted for him, you got, as he said many times, “Two for one.”, as in his wife, Hillary. While her role in the Ill-fated attempt to provide health care to all Americans (Something we are still trying to accomplish 15 years later.) was well known, if not notorious, she played a major advisory role in almost every other issue during the eight years they shared the White House. No one other than a former president, could be better prepared to start out from day one. She is most prepared and she will have a former President as her spouse and closest advisor, and his experience will augment her abilities and serve to assure that she doesn’t become isolated in a crisis.
    I believe she is by far the toughest and smartest of the candidates. From her ground-breaking Valedictory address at Wellesley College, to twice being voted one of the most influential lawyers in America, to withstanding the slings and arrows of over 15 years in the national spotlight, two high profile Senate campaigns, the Republican slime machine, and her own husband’s betrayal, she has emerged, smart as a whip and tough as nails, a combination that will serve her well in the Oval Office.

  180. LJ: I don’t think anybody knows. And I wouldn’t worry about it. I trust Hillary’s reasons for making her decisions. I don’t know how much of the day was cancelled. But again, I think it is best not to speculate without facts.

  181. Hello all. I think I am caught up on the comments.

    I went to a Hillary training meeting this morning–despite the severe thunderstorms here in North Texas. It was great. Enthusiasm was high and they explained the stupidly complex post poll caucuses in my state. I always vote but I never even knew about these caucuses until this year!

    Anyway, I stopped by the democratic headquarters on my way home and learned my precinct did not even have a captain. I should not be surprised. This is one of the most conservative counties in the state. I am now the precinct captain in my precinct and I am excited to work to deliver our 20 delegates to Hillary!

  182. I am finished making calls for now and am not going to not make calls until this evening. I think it is nap time in WI. I do encourage everyone to jump in the pool and make some calls! It’s fun talking with people. You can rehearse until you are comfortable and then go for it. You’ll get used to it. Just speak from your heart and be very kind to people.

  183. I support Hillary because I believe she’s far and away the most-qualified person to deal with the challenges we face as a country at this pivotal moment in our history.

    Oh, lol to Idunn at 4:11. 🙂

  184. You go, Sittin’ Bull! Congrats on signing up as a Precinct Captain. Start practicin’ now–get to know the folks in your precinct and such. Lots of us on here can give ya tips.

  185. I am now the precinct captain in my precinct and I am excited to work to deliver our 20 delegates to Hillary!

    Get outta here! That’s awesome!! Make sure you organize moral support for caucus goers who might become intimidated by obamatons.

    (wait, there IS a cacus in WI right? I’m confused.)
    u

  186. I will do my very best. There is one thing you don’t have to worry about, I can’t be bullied. No one has ever called me a shrinking violet.

  187. Sittin Bull, Congrats on becoming the precinct captain!

    BTW, t4h, I don’t think they were going to “close the deal” in WI. But if it’s close, I’ll take that.

  188. Sitting Bull
    you have to make sure you get a ton of Hillary supporters at the caucus site. It might be a good idea to meet somewhere and all go in together

  189. Idunn: Sittin bull is in TX.

    Sittin Bull: Could you tell us exactly how the Texas thing is gonna work. It’s a caucus and a primary? On the same day?

  190. wbboei,
    All that about ratings is secondary with MSNBC. Look who owns them. What are their interests?
    This has been going on for many, many, many, many, many moons.
    Plainly, MSNBC>NBC>GE benefit from having republicans in control, on everything from military budgets to media deregulation to the dumbing down of America. And therein lies the answer to why we’re seeing & hearing what we’re seeing & hearing.

    Ratings – especially when the difference in overall audience sizes translates to little in the way of shifting ad $’s – are a distant consideration.

  191. Paula,
    Yeah, Crowley knows as soon as Hill’s out of the way, repubs will be foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs about BO and his ties to Rezko and all his other questionable contributors.
    They’re at the “just mentioning it” stage now, lying in wait.

    This debate Thursday can’t get here soon enough….

  192. 2/3 of our delegates are assigned based upon the popular vote at the polls. We start early voting on Feb. 19 and voting day if March 4. At 7:15, right after the polls close, we have caucuses. Anyone who voted in the democratic primary in that particular precinct can participate. We will have the voters rolls to check who voted. Each precinct has been awarded a certain number of delegates based upon how many people voted for the democratic candidate for governor in 2006. I don’t know how many precincts there are statewide but Dallas County alone has over 700 precincts and each will hold its own caucus.

    The crazy part is that these delegates must go to another caucus on March 29 to elect another batch of delegates from each state senatorial district. Then they go to the state convention in June and elect the delegates to go to the national convention.

    Now, I’m out of breath.

  193. I have a question re: Rezko…
    Certainly he is a “questionable” enough guy that he has played BOTH sides of the fence in politics. Do we have any idea who, if anyone, his Rebublican comrades may have been/are, and tracked that back to “in common” connections with Repubs and Obama?

  194. Maybe she is pulling out of Wi since her internal polling shows not good numbers so she instead want to concentrate on TH and OH

  195. Reliable source has obtained court documents. It appears that Bob the
    Builder is filing a lawsuit against Democratic presidential candidate
    Barack Obama for allegedly stealing a catch phrase that the Builder
    has made famous on his show.

    A heading on the Bob the Builder Web site clearly defines the Builder’s
    rallying call as “Can we build it? Yes we can!”

    Sources say Senator Obama, in a crunch to find the right words for a
    New Hampshire concession speech he was not prepared to give, lifted
    the saying from his youngest daughter’s Bob the Builder backpack (she’s
    reportedly a tomboy) and turned it into his own campaign rallying call.
    Here’s some of the text from Obama’s speech:

    “But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything
    false about hope. For when we have faced down impossible odds; when we’ve
    been told that we’re not ready, or that we shouldn’t try, or that we can’t,
    generations of Americans have responded with a simple creed that sums up
    the spirit of a people. Yes we can!”

    Builder’s attorney, Jonah the Wrecking Ball, said that Obama might as well
    have been wearing a yellow hard hat up there. “If Obama wasn’t black, and
    if he wasn’t made of flesh instead of clay, I would have mistook him for
    Bob up there,” said Wrecking Ball. “The words coming out of his mouth were
    the same.”

  196. Do we have any idea who, if anyone, his Rebublican comrades may have been/are, and tracked that back to “in common” connections with Repubs and Obama?

    O know he gave big money to Bush.

  197. While I’m here, just where the hell are Hill’s surrogates?

    Where is Larry Johnson and Wes Clark ripping BO as a foreign policy know-nothing? (I know Wes will be campaigning with her soon but)
    this should be a deafening chorus and there’s not even a peep!!!

    Why can’t we have Maxine Waters out there screaming her head off about Obama’s “clawing” & “she periodically gets down” remarks?

    DRIVE THE FUCKIN’ COVERAGE OR BE DRIVEN!”

  198. That is what Bob The Builder’s site says! Ha!

    Can We Build It?
    Yes We Can!

    Build & Play Along With Bob.

    What a fucking disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  199. rjk1957 Says: you have to make sure you get a ton of Hillary supporters at the caucus site. It might be a good idea to meet somewhere and all go in together

    YES! That’s what I keep saying! It would make all the difference in some of us shy old ladies turning out. It worked in Las Vegas, remember: all those unions other than Culinary were organized in their own places and given signs etc and all came in a group wiht a leader.

    Or if at some caucuses you can’t gather at a restaurnat or somewhere comfortable before, at least have a car in the parking lot wiht Hillary signs all over where people can meet up for instructions and support (and hopefully someone to escort them in and handle any problems).

  200. linfar….i really appreciate your diary. You have put together what i’ve been thinking and reviewing in my head for some time. I appreciate all your hard work that went into that. i certainly will recommend it to all. I dont know if your still on here…but thanks again for your effort to explain something in an understandable way.

  201. Now I have the Bob the Builder theme song stuck in my head. Bob and the gang have so much fun, working together to get the job done

    I’d vote for Bob the Builder over Obama. Hell I’d vote for Scoop (the talking claymation bulldozer) over Obama.

  202. I’m getting a patent on the Builder Obama Game! LMAO!!

    Build and play along with Obama.
    Can we build it?
    YES WE CAN!!

  203. “Builder’s attorney, Jonah the Wrecking Ball,”

    Ok, I’m assuming something about this “lawsuit” isn’t legit in the absence of a link……

  204. Axelrod, Kennedy and Maria
    and Oprah too.
    Michelle and Jessie
    join the crew.
    Obama and the gangScoop, Muck and Dizzy
    and Roley too.
    Lofty and Wendy
    join the crew.
    Bob and the gang
    have so much fun.
    Working together,
    they get the job done!

    (chorus)
    Obama the builder
    Can we fix it?
    Obama the builder
    Yes we can!

  205. Spacegirl,

    Yes, it was the end of the show, but it was bombshell-like in that it set off a flurry of responses.

    John McLaughlin said to Crowley: “Sounds like your saying more than you’re saying“.

    Chicago’s Clarence Page leapt to Bambi’s defense, claiming it was nothing but rumors, old news, etc.

    McLaughlin responded: “Wait and see Clarence. Wait and see.

  206. Thursday, February 07, 2008

    HiT Entertainment Considers Lawsuit Against Barack Obama

    Unnamed sources have suggested that HiT Entertainment, producers of children’s television shows including “Barney”, “Thomas & Friends” and “Fireman Sam” are considering a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama. Sources claim that the suit, which has yet to be filed, will allege that the Obama campaign knowingly violated HiT’s copyright from the theme song of “Bob the Builder” in his campaign video, “Yes we can.”

    A press release from the media company is expected to state:

    The Obama video clearly infringes on “Bob the Builder’s” theme song. The main chorus of Bob’s song is, “Can we fix it? Yes we can.” Obama seems to have intentionally stolen the second half of the BTB theme chorus. Further, his video suggests he will fix America’s problems by working together to get the job done, which are all themes lifted directly from this song.

    If we allow this blatant disregard for copywright lawto go unchecked, who knows what will happen next. I shudder to think of Mitt Romney stealing “Fraggle Rock’s” theme and advising voters to “dance their cares away.”

    A spokesman for Hillary Clinton’s campaign is expected to comment on the suit against her top rival for her party’s presidential nomination:

    This is unfortunate, but not surprising. Obama has a track record of cavorting with slum lords, using racially divisive tactics like not dwelling on his race, and fellating Ronald Reagan. It comes as no surprise that he would harm the children of America by stealing the theme song from one of their favorite shows. He is clearly worse than Hitler.

    nihlist.blogspot.com/2008/02/hit-entertainment-considers-lawsuit.html

  207. Guys, I’m pretty dissapointed right now. I tried to contact national HQ for instructions on Texas–first I was given a contact phone for a Teresa, the phone number was wrong, so I called back, and they told me to sign up on the website. When I signed up to volunteer on the website for Arizona, I never got a call to volunteer, and I don’t trust the system. Right now I’m aghast that the campaign seems to be so disjointed–I simply wanted to know what I could do to help and where I could go there where I’d be most needed, and it seems like different people gave different answers and that was dissapointing to me, and I don’t trust this “online signup” thing. I don’t have the time to wait a week while someone gets back to me, because I need to make hotel reservations, etc. I didn’t see a phone or location list for TX hq’s besides the Austin one yesterday, and there was only an address on the website. I’ve tried contacting Tarrant 4 Hillary–I got an intial response and told them I was interested in coming to Dallas and asked about possible housing, and haven’t heard back since. I could just head out there, but I don’t want to spend hundreds on gas and a hotel to walk into headquarters and be asked to phone bank. I can do that from here. I’m sorry that this post is negative, but this is an essential time for the campaign, the Obama people are bussing hundreds of people around to TX and OH and i’m left emptyhanded on information about where I need to go to help Hillary. Nothing concrete, nothing from the grassroots, just “sign up online”. If anyone has any solid contact info, you’re welcome to email me at zachary.j.cook@gmail.com, and like I said, i’m sorry for the negativity, but I feel helpless right now to help Hillary and I have alot emotionally invested in this campaign. I need to be there in the final week, but it doesn’t seem like the campaign wants me to be there.

  208. youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa4BKo4-p0

    LoL, Idunn, I was going to do the same thing and insert Oprah, Kennedy and Kerry’s names in. Yay us!

  209. Sitting Bull,

    A big CONGRATS for scoring precinct captain!

    I’m inspired by many on forum who are working so hard to help HRC. Once I’m off treatment, at the end of April, I hope there’s a way for me to get more involved other than sending modest donations.

    BTW, anyone know what happened to the cash counter on the HRC site? Last time I saw it was before the calling counter and i think it was up to around 14 million.

  210. Fran,
    You write very well! Phoning isn’t the only way to serve. You can post at Comments at major media where undecided people read. You can put up a website or blog with info and have that url in your posts. Read different blogs and pick up information and make it readable and then post it on your website and here and at the NYT etc in comments, and also email it to superdelegates or others . Lots to do! We all have our own ways.

    As for this place — it’s a multipurpose board. We have a positive attitude but do look at negative facts and brainstorm solutions for the negatives. When people freak out we cheer them up. Better to encounter some bad news or bad meme here and read others’ replies to it, than to be surprised by it elsewhere.

    When there’s a real problem people do speak out, and/or call Admin.

    If you sometimes feel a need for a different sort of community, then start one; when people want multi-purpose they can drop in here, when they want zero-negative they can drop in to yours. Back and forth, not either/or. The more the better.

  211. A guy wrote me and my reply to him

    Originally Posted by klamedia
    Slamming people because they finally have found a candidate to get excited about is about as moronic as Hillary taking the position as a people’s candidate. Their was nothing sexist about that remark that Obama made. Besides she brought this shit on herself! Crying in front of the cameras and acting so irresponsibly at a Super Bowl game that she could hardly speak the next day! Did she realize that she was in a very tight race for the Democratic nomination? This woman is hillarious…..and yes I do mean “woman”.

    my reply

    He suppose to act like a man – not like some illiterate peasant. And besides people already see this as a pattern in behavior. First “you are likable enough” second – this snub in SOU, now this. do you really think that no one will notice it? Everyone does. and if he is running for a president he should learn some manners.

  212. I have a dream
    That all the little black girl and white girls
    will one day sit down
    on the floor together
    In unity
    And build things.

    Can we fix it?
    Yes we can!

  213. It’d be nice if a real press release from Hit Entertainment made this claim, because it cuts right to heart of Obama’s message, makes him look like a totally fake jerkweed, plaguerizing kids’ shows for slogams from which he hopes to lead a nation!!!

    Pretty unreal, ‘cept it’s not.

    I can’t find anything else on it…..

  214. Fro what everyone’s said, the analysts and “experts”, we may left with only one question:
    What are the superdelegates going to think about stuff like this?

    From The Sunday Times
    (February 17, 2008) Right slams Obama as ‘shady Chicago socialist’
    Republicans are out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support

    LEADING Republicans believe they can trounce Barack Obama in the presidential election by tarring him as a shady Chicago socialist. They are increasingly confident that his campaign could collapse by the time their attack machine has finished with him.

    Grover Norquist, an influential conservative tax reform lobbyist, said: “Barack Obama has been able to create his own image and introduce himself to voters, but the swing voters in a general election are not paying attention yet. He is open to being defined as a leftwing, corrupt Chicago politician.”

    Norquist’s comments will be music to the ears of Hillary Clinton, Obama’s Democratic rival, who believes Obama has not been sufficiently “vetted” for the White House. She has been unable to attack him too vociferously without risking a backlash from Democratic primary voters, but Republicans may salvage her campaign by doing the job for her.

    Obama has the voting record of a “hard-left” socialist, according to Norquist, from his time in the Illinois state legislature to the US Senate. He was recently judged by the nonpartisan National Journal to have the most liberal voting record in 2007 of any senator.

    “It will be easy to portray him as even harder-left than Hillary,” said Norquist. “Hillary could lose the election, but Obama could collapse. People already know Hillary and she is not popular, but the disadvantage for Obama is that Republicans can teach people who don’t know him who he is.”

    Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House and Republican guru, recently described Obama as the “most leftwing candidate to run since George McGovern” – a reference to the anti-Vietnam-war Democrat who lost 49 states out of 50 to Richard Nixon in the 1972 election. Norquist believes Obama’s questionable Chicago connections will stir things further.

    The city has a reputation for corruption from the days when Al Capone and his mob ran the town in the 1920s. Obama is tainted by his long association with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a Chicago property developer who is scheduled to go on trial for extorting kickbacks in return for political favours on March 3, the day before the Ohio and Texas primaries.

    Obama bought his family home in Chicago for $1.65m, $300,000 less than the asking price, on the day that Rezko’s wife Rita bought an adjoining lot at the full price of $650,000. Obama later paid her $105,000 for a sixth of her yard in order to expand his garden.

    The seller insisted on both plots being sold together, which suggests that Rezko did Obama an enormous favour even if the deal was not illegal. The seller has so far evaded press inquiries, but he is regarded as a potential “ticking timebomb” should he decide to go public.

    Clinton briefly raised the question of Rezko, whom she described as a “slum landlord”, in a televised debate with Obama in California, but was silenced when a 1990s picture emerged of her with Rezko and President Bill Clinton. Obama has returned around $85,000 in campaign contributions from Rezko.

    “Hillary put the issue into the bloodstream, but it didn’t get focused on,” said Norquist. He believes that well financed “527” attack groups – named after their tax-exempt status – will mercilessly pursue Obama over his ties to Rezko. It was a conservative “527” group, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who did grave damage to John Kerry’s reputation as a war hero in the 2004 White House race.

    Mark McKinnon, a top adviser to John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said last week he would resign in the event of a contest against Obama as he did not want to participate in tearing him down.

    But other members of McCain’s team have already gone for the jugular. A testy exchange last year between the two senators over the Iraq troop surge led a senior aide to take aim at Obama’s former drug use by claiming he “wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG [rock-et-propelled grenade] and a bong [smoking pipe]”.

    Obama could run into further difficulties over his relationship with William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois and former member of the Weather Underground, a leftwing terrorist group that planted bombs in the Capitol and the Pentagon in the 1970s.

    Ayers told The New York Times on the day of the September 11 attacks: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” It emerged last week that Ayers served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund, an antipoverty group, from 1999 to 2002, and donated $200 towards his Illinois state Senate campaign in 2001.

    Christopher Ruddy, chief executive of the conservative journal NewsMax and an arch tormentor of the Clintons over the Whitewater property scandal in the 1990s, believes Obama is “an old-style Chicago politician” who will nonetheless be difficult for Republicans to undermine.

    “People are already gearing up to take on Obama, but there is a lot of apathy among the Republican ideological base. You don’t see a level of energy there,” Ruddy said. “If they go too far in their attacks, it will backfire.”

    Portrayals of Obama as an irresponsible tax-and-spend liberal are already under way. Lawrence Kudlow, a former adviser to Ron-ald Reagan, put Obama’s “spend-ometer” at $800 billion by costing his proposals for extending health insurance, implementing green energy plans, setting up an infrastructure investment bank and other initiatives.

    Obama has also said he may tax people earning more than $97,000, a potentially unpopular move that Clinton is now seeking to make a campaign issue.

    However, Obama’s chief economics adviser, Austan Gools-bee, a professor at the University of Chicago, is a supporter of the free market. Obama has also been endorsed by Paul Volcker, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve.

    Robert Wolf, the chief executive of UBS Americas, the financial group, is a big donor. “When I sat down with him, I found him to be unbelievably refreshing and smart and thoughtful,” he said.

    Obama was introduced to Wolf by George Soros, the bil-lionaire financier and philanthropist who is a favourite target of the right for his sponsorship of leftwing groups and antiIraq war stance.

    Obama’s pledge to withdraw troops from Iraq is a key point of difference with McCain, who believes a hasty withdrawal could provoke genocide and let Al-Qaeda regain its footing.

    Patrick Murphy, a Democratic congressman and Iraq war veteran, said: “I’m proud to be a fiscal conservative and, in my opinion, Obama is a moderate. He wants to partner with businesses and corporations.”

    He also believes Obama will withdraw responsibly from Iraq. “He has laid out a timetable fora ‘pull out and strike strategy’ – pull the troops to the border and strike against Al-Qaeda.”

    Obama has managed to draw support from the most leftwing elements of the Democratic party, such as MoveOn.org, while winning over independents and disillusioned Republicans. Jim Kessler of Third Way, a centre-left Washington think tank, said: “He has managed to make an argument for postpartisanship in a way that appeals to very liberal Democrats because he is such a gifted orator.”

    Just as Republicans will seek to tarnish Obama as a leftwinger, so Democrats will make sure pictures of McCain with George W Bush are everywhere.

    Only now are Republicans beginning to ponder seriously which Democrat will be McCain’s strongest election opponent, after assuming for a long time that Clinton would be the easier target.

    Ruddy thinks Democrats might be preparing to ditch the “dreaded Hillary” only to replace her by the “most leftwing nominee in memory”. Even so, he believes President Obama isa distinct possibility.

  215. “Obama could run into further difficulties over his relationship with William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois and former member of the Weather Underground, a leftwing terrorist group that planted bombs in the Capitol and the Pentagon in the 1970s.”

    this is the only post anyone needs to do over and over and over again on all the blogs

  216. The Supers Ds are in a rough place yo.

    What is the job of the Super Delegates exactly? I thought it was to balance activists gaming the caucus system and the GOP having a party in our primary…

  217. I’m more concerned about whether nor not Obama did anything to help get Nadhmi Auchi a visa. And if he did, WHY??

  218. It took me awhile to find this. Everyone should read it. This is why I support Hillary. : )

    quotedb.com/speeches/womens-rights-are-human-rights

  219. Just looked up from computer to see “Campus Rampage” on a CNN Slug in the middle of “Ballot Bowl”

    . Thought it was about an Obama event 🙂

    but it was that terrible shooting

  220. (dunn,

    I saw an interview with BO’S realtor about a month ago but not sure which channel it was on – might have been ABC with Brian whatsisname. (not Williams)

  221. (The Sunday Times):

    Clinton briefly raised the question of Rezko, whom she described as a ‘slum landlord’, in a televised debate with Obama in California, but was silenced when a 1990s picture emerged of her with Rezko and President Bill Clinton.

    Like hell she was.

    She pointed out there is HUGE difference between posing for a photo with somebody you do not know, who is waiting in a long photo-op line, versus having a long close 17 year relationship.

  222. The Superdelegates are disillusioned into thinking O-baaaaah-ma has the power to win “independents” and that even “Republicans” like him.

    They are dead wrong. If they decide this nomination without Florida and Michigan, I believe they will lose more democrats than they’ll gain in fake republicans.

    They need to know this.

  223. idunn

    Contact the Illinois Real Estate Licensing Board

    Any licensed realtor would have had nothing to do with either the house or land part of that cockamammy deal.
    You could lose your license for something that crazy.
    300 grand below market
    Someone is kidding someone

    land that is inaccessible except throught Barack’s gate
    they got a lot of land for nothing much

  224. Who else read the article that says Florida Governor Crist may be McCains running mate???

    They intend to get Florida…one way or the other in the GE

  225. basil,

    That was NBC. I posted about it a while back.

    The realtor made the FASCINATING point that the listing from the seller was that both lots had to sell at the same time, but that Obama COULD NOT AFFORD to purchase both lots. Rezko stepped in and purchased the lot simultaneously with Obama purchasing the house. He could not have purchased the house otherwise.

  226. dot48,
    Haven’t seen the article. Is there a link?
    It is awfully coincidental that the state with the biggest voting problems in 2000 and 2004, Florida, is also the state where Jeb Bush was governor.
    Now that Jeb is gone, I guess the repubs realized they needed a different strategy for stealing it this year.
    And they just keep getting away with it. I’ve often wondered why Gore never contested the decision giving Florida to Bush, the same way I’ve wondered why Kerry didn’t fight for Ohio.

  227. LMAO!! Bob the Builder is suing Obama???! Obama rips off Bob the Builder.. What a surprise..NOT! GO BOB GO!

  228. youtube.com/watch?v=UK4jnMUV4wQ&feature=related

    This is really interesting. It is a continuation of the accomplishment thing Hannity and Luntz do, and it is pretty telling. The video was posted by obamabots, as you can tell by the title.

  229. Joe Friday,

    Do you still have that link? I’d like to see it again. I remember watching on one of those days I was literally screaming at the tube because of all the BS I saw there.

    That was before I’d found this place and stopped watching BM. Now I get most of my election news here.

  230. Idunn

    This is especially for you; it’s really handy:

    RealClearPolitics.com, click POLLS at top of page, click Democratic Delegate count in left column.

    Lots of times I used to have the same questions you do…this is an very good source for all kinds of facts…and is updated as states report real numbers.

    They were first to report, not just guess at, final NH and NM numbers.

  231. BlueDemocrat: ABC is owned by Disney. CNN was owned by Time Warner. They are not nearly as over the top as MSNBC. I really think the agenda in that shop is what I described. Remember how olberman assumed the attack dog responsibilties when matthers was muzzled. Abrams campaign against media bias is a rouge. As a matter of fact I am sure of it.

  232. Thanks MJ, I read realclearpolitics already, but with all the web surfing, I sometimes forget what all info is there.

    Thanks for the reminder.

  233. How will TeamHillary run full assault on the caucus aspect of the Texas election? I’ve never heard of such a system. This is so screwed up…this whole way of electing a president is wacko. I never realized what was going on across the country till the 48 state strategy came along. It has been enlightening and I hope it is something that some brave elected offical will address during the next four years. We need election reform which sets one standard across the country.

  234. Idunn,

    ROTFLMAO! Notice how the fainter always happens to be in front of BO and very close to the podium where, on 2 occassions, he coincidentally found a bottle of water on the shelf.

    The script is almost verbatim and the Fainter is always female!!!!!

  235. In the SC debate, Obama referred to Rezko as “this individual”, trying to make it look like he had only passing contact with him and was never had any sort of serious association. The facts are otherwise.

    The guy finds his dream house. Cant afford it. Rushes to this “individual” who by the way is the subject of screaming headlines in the Chicago newspapers for being under FBI investigation in the last few months. Said individual who is a close friend (anyone see that pic of them hugging each other?) says no problem, he’ll buy the land at full market price, isnt concerned that the house itself is going below market price.

    Judgement ? what happened to that famous anti-war judgement ? you know what ? – it was never there. It was a convenient speech to give in an anti war district. When it comes to real judgement, the guy is awol, hiding because he cant vote yes or no.

    All the outrage is reserved for the Clintons in the shameless media. I cant wait for “this individual” to blow up this fake motivational speaker’s dirty, deceptive persona all the way to Mars.

  236. Basil, I saw one just last night where, after the fainting concern, OB actually says, “No no, I’m not special. It’s just the right thing to do.”

    Nearly peed my pants.

  237. wbboei,
    Google “Path to 9-11”, see what you get. CNN? Please, the network with the panels stacked with republicans and Obama supporters?
    The network where Wolf Blitzer breathlessly went on air in 1998 and said President Clinton was resigning? That did moer than anyone to give life to Whitewater? They work in different ways but the trends are all the same. You’re dead on about KO & Abrams.
    One thing’s for sure: These networks and the people who work in them are politicking all the time.
    (I cant see what I posting below, this blog’s a pain!)

    Clinton Will Fight As Long As It Takes
    February 16, 2008 4:28 PM

    ABC’s David Chalian, Teddy Davis, Eloise Harper and Kate Snow report: Sen. Hillary Clinton is ready to fight for the Democratic nomination all the way to the Democratic National Convention in August if that’s what it takes, but her top strategists say they’re not expecting a nasty brawl in Denver.

    “My prediction is there will be no fight,” said Clinton campaign advisor Harold Ickes on a conference call with reporters Saturday. “All of this is going to be settled out before we hit the floor.”

    “We don’t think our party or our candidate will be served by a bitter floor fight,” he added later.

    But Ickes also made it very clear that Clinton would not give up without a fight — no matter what happens in the upcoming primary battles with Sen. Barack Obama.

    Ickes conceded that Clinton is not doing as well in the fight for delegates as she might have been doing if her campaign had paid more attention to states that hold caucuses — states where Obama has scored big victories recently.

    “We didn’t make as much of an effort as we probably should have,” he said.

    But he predicted that Clinton will “hold her own” in Wisconsin on Tuesday night and said the campaign expects her to win in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island on March 4. Ickes said the demographics of Pennsylvania also favor Clinton and predicted she will win there on April 22.

    While the Obama campaign has predicted he will stay ahead in the race for delegates, the Clinton camp says Obama is getting ahead of himself and declaring victory prematurely.

    “He’d like to be nominated right now, but there are a lot of delegates who have yet to be selected,” Ickes said.

    They see a tied ballgame.

    After the last Democratic primary contest in Puerto Rico in June, Ickes said Clinton and Obama will be “neck and neck.”

    “Shortly after that she will wrap it up,” he predicted.

    That presumes that Clinton will be able to convince Democratic superdelegates — party leaders and elected officials — to support Clinton even if the people they represent have voted for Obama.

    Ickes said those superdelegates, which the Clinton campaign prefers to call “automatic delegates,” will be key.

    “The central fact is, notwithstanding all the controversy ginned up by the Obama campaign, both of these candidates are going to need them,” Ickes said.

    Both campaigns continue to aggressively court superdelegate support.

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Saturday that they would continue to pursue superdelegates even though they believe they can win the nomination without them.

    “We’re not going to unilaterally disarm as the Clinton campaign does it’s best to use superdelegates to overturn the will of the Democratic voters,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

    Clinton’s camp, meanwhile, contends that superdelegates should not be swayed by the voters of their districts but should support the person they think is best fit to be President.

    “Automatic delegates are supposed to exercise their best judgment,” Ickes said.

    The Clinton campaign is also continuing to push for delegates from Florida and Michigan to be counted at the convention.

    Ironically, last summer Ickes — as a sitting member of the Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws Commission — voted to strip those states of their delegates when the states moved up their primaries to dates before February 5. Those moves were seen as a threat to the traditional first states Iowa and New Hampshire and were therefore punished by the party.

    “With respect to the stripping, I voted as a member of the Democratic National Committee. Those were our rules and I felt that we had an obligation to enforce them,” Ickes said.

    But now Ickes, as a member of Clinton’s team, wants to change the rules.

    “Why should Florida not be heard at the convention?” Ickes asked today.

    He said some 1.7 million Democrats voted in Florida and their voices should be heard. And he rejected the idea of a do-over, as some have suggested.

    Although she did not actively campaign in Florida — under an agreement made by all of the Democratic candidates — Clinton easily won the majority of Florida’s delegates back in January.

    “The process has taken place. Everybody was on an equal footing. We see no reason for a re-do,” Ickes said.
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    February 16, 2008 4:28 PM

    ABC’s David Chalian, Teddy Davis, Eloise Harper and Kate Snow report: Sen. Hillary Clinton is ready to fight for the Democratic nomination all the way to the Democratic National Convention in August if that’s what it takes, but her top strategists say they’re not expecting a nasty brawl in Denver.

    “My prediction is there will be no fight,” said Clinton campaign advisor Harold Ickes on a conference call with reporters Saturday. “All of this is going to be settled out before we hit the floor.”

    “We don’t think our party or our candidate will be served by a bitter floor fight,” he added later.

    But Ickes also made it very clear that Clinton would not give up without a fight — no matter what happens in the upcoming primary battles with Sen. Barack Obama.

    Ickes conceded that Clinton is not doing as well in the fight for delegates as she might have been doing if her campaign had paid more attention to states that hold caucuses — states where Obama has scored big victories recently.

    “We didn’t make as much of an effort as we probably should have,” he said.

    But he predicted that Clinton will “hold her own” in Wisconsin on Tuesday night and said the campaign expects her to win in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island on March 4. Ickes said the demographics of Pennsylvania also favor Clinton and predicted she will win there on April 22.

    While the Obama campaign has predicted he will stay ahead in the race for delegates, the Clinton camp says Obama is getting ahead of himself and declaring victory prematurely.

    “He’d like to be nominated right now, but there are a lot of delegates who have yet to be selected,” Ickes said.

    They see a tied ballgame.

    After the last Democratic primary contest in Puerto Rico in June, Ickes said Clinton and Obama will be “neck and neck.”

    “Shortly after that she will wrap it up,” he predicted.

    That presumes that Clinton will be able to convince Democratic superdelegates — party leaders and elected officials — to support Clinton even if the people they represent have voted for Obama.

    Ickes said those superdelegates, which the Clinton campaign prefers to call “automatic delegates,” will be key.

    “The central fact is, notwithstanding all the controversy ginned up by the Obama campaign, both of these candidates are going to need them,” Ickes said.

    Both campaigns continue to aggressively court superdelegate support.

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Saturday that they would continue to pursue superdelegates even though they believe they can win the nomination without them.

    “We’re not going to unilaterally disarm as the Clinton campaign does it’s best to use superdelegates to overturn the will of the Democratic voters,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

    Clinton’s camp, meanwhile, contends that superdelegates should not be swayed by the voters of their districts but should support the person they think is best fit to be President.

    “Automatic delegates are supposed to exercise their best judgment,” Ickes said.

    The Clinton campaign is also continuing to push for delegates from Florida and Michigan to be counted at the convention.

    Ironically, last summer Ickes — as a sitting member of the Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws Commission — voted to strip those states of their delegates when the states moved up their primaries to dates before February 5. Those moves were seen as a threat to the traditional first states Iowa and New Hampshire and were therefore punished by the party.

    “With respect to the stripping, I voted as a member of the Democratic National Committee. Those were our rules and I felt that we had an obligation to enforce them,” Ickes said.

    But now Ickes, as a member of Clinton’s team, wants to change the rules.

    “Why should Florida not be heard at the convention?” Ickes asked today.

    He said some 1.7 million Democrats voted in Florida and their voices should be heard. And he rejected the idea of a do-over, as some have suggested.

    Although she did not actively campaign in Florida — under an agreement made by all of the Democratic candidates — Clinton easily won the majority of Florida’s delegates back in January.

    “The process has taken place. Everybody was on an equal footing. We see no reason for a re-do,” Ickes said.

  238. NO,NO, NO.

    HILLARY CLINTON … THANK YOU, WONDERFUL LADY.

    we..must..keep..fighting..folks.

    Okie..please, please, please set up another money bomb. We can do it folks. Calls and money and talking the truth to people. That is all we can do

  239. Hillary’s thank you message bought tears to my eyes. I love that woman. She is such a fighter and I don’t know how she does it. We will keep on fighting for her right?

  240. My sense is we have left the world of politics and have entered the realm of mega politics. The process needs to play itself out. The people of this country are entited to vote. Any political party who deprives them of that right does not deserve to hold office.

  241. btw. david shuster has been reinstated. Shita$$ MSNBC.

    I know some witty person her can take the MSNBC and make it about the letters m.s.n.b.c and put misogynist as the first one.

    We need to start labeling them a$$holes in every place we go online. It’s dirty but sometimes you just gotta sling shit right back.

  242. Idunn,
    yeah! And the fainter is NEVER behind the podium where he can’t see and, what would be even worse, where he’d have to turn his back to the camera! OMG!

    Every day this reminds me more and more of a 21st century rewrite of the Manchurian Candidate but instead of the candidate being scripted to act as assassin, this time he’s assuming the presidency.

    What’s the name of the women who did all the Hitler propaganda? Leni Riefenstahl . . .

  243. obama comming to houston tuesday for massive rally at the toyota center. bill is here for fundrasing that day. ive asked the camapign for a major rally with him

  244. Boy oh boy, those fainting incidents remind me too much of the Alito hearings (when he wife started crying behind him for absolutely no reason) which reminded me of republican staffers “protesting” the vote counts in FLA in 2000.

    Media Manipulation, all designed to lead to the impression of hysteria.
    Very smart. Almost Rovian, one might say…..

  245. This is not the easy answer, nor a fast answer, but if you want something to think about before attacking anyone else on this board again, first please read the following 2 articles:

    1) Karl Rove Bamboozles American Electorate- Again

    2) Obama’s Red State Appeal TIME

    Read and think about this info, do a gut check and consider whether you are being played, BEFORE you respond to one of your own…and if you do decide to take someone here to the woodshed, would you please do it in such a way that trolls and moles won’t have troll-mole food to take back to their rat’s nests?

    Thank you.

    Here thru thick and thin, til the LAST DOG DIES.

    It’s getting to the point that I have to take more and more breaks from here…and that makes me despondent…and once again, I ask you to look at how many others are not here as much, if at all.

  246. Leni Riefenstahl was a documentary film maker who directed, “Triumph of the Will”, whose dramatic and evocative symbolic images of heroism and emotional subtexts became the cinematic template for everything from Hollywood movies to today’s TV ads. What she ACTUALLY thought about what she was glorifying is to some degree, still unclear.

    Joseph Goebbels was the propaganda-master of the nazis, the bastard.

  247. Interesting stuff from Harold Ickes.

    BTW, this is the money quote from Grover Norquist:

    “People already know Hillary and she is not popular, but the disadvantage for Obama is that Republicans can teach people who don’t know him who he is.”

    Notice we have to read the foreign press to get this stuff.

  248. Emjay,,,I’m with you. TILL THE LAST DOG DIES.

    I am frightened to even envision this country in his hands. That is one scary as hell thing. We can’t back down.

  249. Midem,
    Thanks for the link.
    Ve-e-e-e-ery interesting. (from a 2007 article)
    “Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he’s the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he’ll seat a Florida delegation at the party’s national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.
    Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.

  250. Also, I am still waiting for a quality citation to back up the quoted “CNN” figure that ‘44% of Iowa Republicans’ voted for BO in the January 3 caucus.

    I spent over an hour looking for that FACT, and cannot find it. Ten dollars to the first person who can find a non-CNN exit poll statement backing that up…to be donated to Hill’s campaign, of course, plus the 44 cents.

  251. AmericanGal,

    “Any change by Hillary’s campaign is no doubt decided for valid reasons.”

    Exactly!

    And Fran:

    Hang in there. There is room for everyone here and no one should be “piled on” by the same person over and over again. I just skip the negatives and stay with the positives. I also wonder what lurkers from Obama Land think when they read some of this stuff. Just my personal opinion and not meant to attack anybody at all.

  252. emjay: Also, I am still waiting for a quality citation to back up the quoted “CNN” figure that ‘44% of Iowa Republicans’ voted for BO in the January 3 caucus.

    I spent over an hour looking for that FACT, and cannot find it. Ten dollars to the first person who can find a non-CNN exit poll statement backing that up…to be donated to Hill’s campaign, of course, plus the 44 cents.

    1. There are no exit polls for IA (or caucuses), only entrance polls
    2. Entrance/exit polls are conducted by Edison Research on behalf of the National Election Pool Network, which includes ABC, CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX and the AP.
    3. The IA entrance poll conducted by ER for the NEP resulted in 3% of caucus-goers identifying themselves are Republican. Of this 3%, 44% voted for Obama.

  253. OMG! THE BEST CALL to Wisconsin! This woman was SO FANTASTIC and I am pumped. We spoke for over an hour, she took the numbers of the local offices, is still EXPLORING the candidates but there is no way to describe the depth of the conversation, her concerns (about Bill, not Hillary) and her real true respect for Hillary. It was great. I PRAY she comes to Hillary’s side and works for her. We could have Wisconsin in two days if she were the point person. She is an educator, and was WONDERFUL and funny as hell. Made me feel good that as an undecided, my call helped her to look more into hillary as 44.

  254. Another thing — entrance/exit polls are about as reliable as polls.

    1. The pollster must pick precincts that overall are representative of the electorate. That may or may not happen.
    2. The pollster must draw a truly random sample of respondents at precincts. That may or may not happen.
    3. The pollster must account for non-respondent bias, or even outright falsification (a probable cause of the early favorable exit polls for Kerry in ’04).

    If 1-3 are met, then the poll still has a MOE, based on the nr of respondents, as do subcategories. For the IA entrance poll, the Republican split has an MOE of about 12.5.

  255. Tiny Dancer Says: What is the job of the Super Delegates exactly? I thought it was to balance activists gaming the caucus system and the GOP having a party in our primary…

    Yep, stuff like that. And to break a tie — if we ever have a legitimate tie.

  256. Gosh, I am such a chicken when it comes to cold calling Wisconsin voters, anybody have good stories to get me motivated?

  257. “Clinton campaign does it’s best to use superdelegates to overturn the will of the Democratic voters,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

    Bullshit! The Democratic voters have voted strongly in primaries for Hillary. The people who voted for Obama were “Dems for a Day” in caucuses in red states.

  258. a real woman did faint at Clintons rally. An honest to God fainting spell. And with nobody running with water bottles..they called in the proper medics.

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