The 48 State Strategy, Part II

A few news items to note before the second part to The 48 State Strategy and Obama’s ugly snub of Florida and Michigan voters.

First, we are happy to see that the Hillary campaign is holding strong on the question of debates “hosted” by the gang at MSNBC and NBC.

Ohio blog BuckeyeStateBlog unfortunately embarrassed itself yesterday with an attack on Hillary for not bending to MSNBC concerning the next debate. Tim Russo writing in that Ohio blog slimed Hillary for “the David Shuster pimpfest [that] has been going on almost a week”. Tim Russo does not take seriously David Shuster’s slimy attack on Chelsea.

Tim Russo, “convicted of importuning in an Internet sex sting” does not understand why anyone is concerned about the “pimping” comment as an issue. After his conviction involving the underaged, Russo declared he was “done blogging for a while”. Apparently this has been a very temporary self-imposed suspension.

Don’t listen to the Russo’s – Deck ‘Em Hillary.

Second, we are very gratified to see Hillary fighting back on Rezko and Big Media protection of Obama’s Rezko entanglements. Responding to a question about Hillary’s finances from John Harris Hillary said:

But, John, we have. I mean, all of our sources of income are public information. The $5 million that I gave as a loan to my campaign comes out of my money. There isn’t any surprises here. And, in fact, you know, our financial situation has probably has been more investigated than anybody who’s ever been in public life in America. We still don’t have a lot of answers about Senator Obama and his dealings with Mr. Rezko. So I don’t mind answering questions, but I find it only fair that we have questions going to the other side as well, and I don’t see that happening. You know, we have been on the front line of full disclosure. I’ve been examined one side up and the other side down. I’m more than happy to have that. But I think it’s fair that we have the same standards apply to my opponent.

We won’t hold our breaths waiting for Big Media to hold their tool, Obama, to any standards – during the Democratic nomination race.

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The 48 State Stategy,Part II:

Barack Obama has repeatedly insulted the voters of Florida and Michigan. Florida and Michigan voters will not forget Obama repeating arguments which sound very much like those of Bush lawyers in 2000.

Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida and Michigan – ALL were NOT in compliance with the Democratic National Committee’s primary/caucus calendar. Only Florida and Michigan were singled out for political punishment.

In Florida, it was the legislature which changed the primary date in Florida. Florida Democratic Party officials were following Florida law as to voting date. In Michigan, Obama took his own name off the ballot in a foolish attempt to harm Hillary politically.

Julian Bond, the Chairman of the NAACP today made it clear that the Democratic Party should Count The Votes.

Julian Bond knows about counting votes and fights over credentials at Democratic Party conventions. Bond fought the Daley organization in Chicago in the 1968 Democratic convention.

It was on Michigan Avenue in the City of Chicago that physical fights took place between protestors and police in 1968. It was inside the Convention Hall that Chicago’s Daley thugs confronted Julian Bond and the delegation of Georgia Loyal Democrats in a credentials fight. Julian Bond, though too young to even qualify was nominated for Vice President in 1968. Julian Bond thus became the very first African-American to garner votes from a major American political party for the top of the ticket.

Bond was a “community organizer” when that meant a potential beating. Bond was a founding member of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and led many protests against segregation in segregated America. Julian Bond also helped found the Southern Poverty Law Center and now serves on its Board of Directors.

In 1966 the Supreme Court of the United States ruled in favor of Julian Bond and against the Georgia legislature when that legislature refused to allow Julian Bond his seat in the Georgia legislature because of Bond’s opposition to the Vietnam War.

Julian Bond fought the Georgia legislature and Chicago thugs to gain a seat at the legislature and at the convention. Bond knows the value of Democracy and the power of votes.

Barack Obama stands with those who want to NOT count the votes and thereby disenfranchise millions of Florida and Michigan voters. Obama stands against millions of voters demanding their votes be counted. Barack Obama is an ugly example to the world when it comes to democratic values.

Bond, Julian Bond:

A prominent civil rights leader has told the Democratic National Committee that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise both states’ minority communities.

In a Feb. 8 letter to DNC Chairman Howard Dean, NAACP chairman Julian Bond expressed “great concern at the prospect that million of voters in Michigan and Florida could ultimately have their votes completely discounted.” Refusing to seat the states’ delegations could remind voters of the “sordid history of racially discriminatory primaries,” he said. [snip]

In an interview, Bond said the NAACP had taken no position in the race between Clinton and Obama and would not endorse either candidate. He sent the letter on behalf of the voters in Michigan and especially Florida, where the Republican-controlled legislature and governor changed the state’s primary date.

“It struck me as making the voters, including minority voters in Florida particularly, victims of the Republican legislature in Florida. I wanted to get Chairman Dean to find some way to rectify the situation,” Bond said.

Bond is right. Obama and his supporters are “making the voters, including minority voters in Florida particularly, victims of the Republican legislature in Florida” and in this case – the Democratic Party. Who needs Bush lawyers while we have “constitutional lawyer” Obama all fired up and ready to disenfranchise millions of voters?

The Julian Bond letter makes clear that the votes in Florida and Michigan must be counted. After 2000 all votes must be counted by the Democratic Party. Only Republicans could disagree with the basic democratic principle that all votes be counted.

Bond wants the Florida and Michigan votes counted. Bond writes, “I urge you in the strongest possible terms to come to some solution to this problem which will not leave the millions of voters that went to the polls to cast a free and unfettered vote during the primary without representation.”

More Bond: “I am writing to express our great concern at the prospect that millions of voters in Michigan and and Florida could ultimately have their votes completely discounted if they are not assigned delegate representation for the Democratic National Convention.”

Hillary Clinton Defends Voter Rights in Florida.

The Florida Democratic Party and the Michigan Democratic Party will not spit in the face of millions of voters. There will not be another vote. There will not be another election in either state. The question at the Democratic Convention in 1968 2008 is simple: Count the millions of votes cast by Florida and Michigan voters or don’t count the votes.

Not counting the votes in 2000 inflicted a President Bush on the United States and the world.

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1,202 thoughts on “The 48 State Strategy, Part II

  1. Admin,

    Great Post! I think you are elevating Obama by comparing him with Bush. I may not like policies of Bush but I know where he stands unlike BO. Obama wants to disenfranchise two large states of the Union because they clearly told him to get lost. He sounds more like a third world dictator. May be he is getting lessons in democracy from his cousin in Kenya.

  2. clintondem99, you said, “Sherm,We all seem to be forgetting two large states Fl and MI. So there are 5 large states not three. We should not let the MSM box into the thinking that FL and MI do not count.”

    I promise I never forget MI and FL. I seldom post about them, but I follow all of the discussion here. I’m counting on all five of those states being in the bag for Hillary.

    I’m not sure how this will play out with Dean and other DNC leaders, but I’m counting on this thing being worked out. I believe if Hillary wins TX, OH, and PA then she will have the leverage to insist that MI and FL delegates be seated.

    I find the idea of a re-vote of any kind as repulsive and insulting to Hillary. If BHO didn’t win the second vote, would they try to go for a three-peat? I wouldn’t doubt it.

  3. I think they should make the decision now and seat them before PA primary. It really hurts me to think about all the lost momentum after Michigan and Florida. If BO gets momentum for winning in Washington and Maine why should we be deprived of the momentum from Florida and MI.

  4. I SAY LET’S BOMBARD THE DNC HEADQUARTERS WITH CALLS AND EMAILS DEMANDING THE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VOTES BE COUNTED AS CAST IMMEDIATELY, NOT LETTING UP UNTIL…NEVER. SUIT SHOULD BE FILED, CITING IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE ALSO MOVING UP. FOLKS, THE STAKES ARE THE HIGEST THEY WILL EVER BE. LET’S BOMBARD THEM ON AN HOURLY BASIS. LET’S GET ORGANIZED. THE MOST POWERFUL ARGUMENT YET (BESIDES THE PATENTLY UNFAIRNESS) IS JULIAN BOND WITH THE NAACP CALLING FOR COUNTING VOTES! HILLARY TROOPS UNITE!

  5. Regarding the Rezko scandal, there has never been such an attempt to cover up the truth about a political scandal since Watergate. This is a national disgrace especially when so much of the world is watching this election. What can we say to those now struggling for democracy in countries like China, when the most democratic nation in the world and the press that is supposed to be it’s guardian, allows this disgraceful cover-up to continue. When will the people of this great country demand true accountability from those who aspire to lead it. It is obvious that if this candidate’s opponent was not a woman but a man, the press would have responded with the kind of vigor that it has been famous for in the past. This is a true battle for human rights. This is a battle for the soul of America. Women’s rights are human rights. The soul of America include the souls of its female citizens. Let is be known here and now that the world will judge us by the way we conduct our affairs. There is no second best. If we wish to claim the mantle of the leader of the free world, then its people must be willing to fight the battles that will earn it that title. And earn it, it must. Hillary Clinton deserves the respect and admiration of the nation, whatever the outcome of this election. On her behalf, we demand that justice be done. We demand that Senator Barak Obama be fully vetted by the press concerning his private life, his record in public office, and especially his dealing with the accused Rezko. The American people deserve no less.

  6. I am in MI and hold this issue very important. In fact, I am considering trying to become a delegate. The MDP is moving forward with delegate selection (HRC gets 73!). See http://www.michigandems.com/020808prs.html I do not believe they are planning a do-over.

    By the way, I somehow cannot pictire going to Denver for an Obamafest or Oprahlooza! I would get quite ill.

  7. Ok…..don’t know what the numbers were because I haven’t had the heart to look. I am in media blackout for now. Although disheartening…..now is the time TO FIGHT. With all due respect to the many, many people who have been posting here far longer than I have…..we can’t be spending time here debating the fine points when the fight is OUT THERE.

    Here is what I plan to do:

    1. Email every reporter that I think has had a dramatic pro-Obama stance – you can almost always get their email addresses from the paper’s/station’s/blog’s web site. I am going to email them the following:

    It is clear to me that in their rush to seem hip, cool and relevant by embracing the new, new thing; that many media mavens have lost the one thing on which their credibility rests – objectivity.

    If a bunch of us do the same – call their journalistic integrity into question in a high-minded way – they will squirm.

    2. Post everywhere I can my theory on things:

    I have been wondering where Obama came from – how is it possible that a junior senator with 2 years at the national level a. organized so many states so quickly (even more than Edwards who has the experience of a national campaign and has been running since 2004), raised so much money (more than experienced politicians with years of building networks)? How is that someone only 2 years removed from the State of Illinios legislature know how to get a campaign plane – let alone 2? How did he get that primetime speeking spot at the 2004 convention in Boston? Then it dawned on me……he is the machine candidate of the old school dems.

    This is in effect another epic battle between the Clintons and the old guard in the democratic party that never liked them. They wanted to stop Hillary in the worst way and they picked the perfect puppet to do so. Why is he ” perfect”

    1. he is black. The Clintons have historically won at least partially on the strength of the AA vote. In order to beat them, they had to syphon off those votes.
    2. he is young so could appeal to youth vote
    3. relatively unknown and untested with no real voting record to attack
    4. relatively new to washington so could wear “outsider” mantel
    5. he is a good speaker

    This would be laughable if it wasn?t so tragic. All those Obama supporters who think they are backing someone who is going to change washington?.hah – He is the annointed one of the Washington insiders. HAH!!!!

    Post this everywhere if we make the sophisticates feel what they least like to feel – ridiculous and gullible; maybe they will start to think.

    3. Also post everywhere;

    The “Obama is a different type of politician” thing is SUCH CRAP!

    1. Against the war – sure he gave a speech in 2002 against the war (and was given cover by the senior senator from Illinois Dick Durban) but he didn’t vote against the war because HE WASN’T IN THE SENATE then. Since that time, he has voted with the majority supporting funding EVERY TIME. If he was so above political calcuation, why didn’t he vote his conscience….could it be that he knows he would have gotten the crap kicked out of him for “not supporting the troops”?
    2. Give me one other issue that he has shown leadership on and/or stood up for? Bottom line – doesn’t take any political risks.
    3. Goes down to SC and gives the “okedoke” speech to a black audience. Why wasn’t he called on that? Can you imagine if Hillary Clinton had gone into a nursing home and told the seniors that Obama was trying to trick them into supporting him? That was one of the most backhanded, politically-driven, race baiting moves I have ever seen. The press should have been all over that.
    4. Rezko, Rezko, Rezko
    5. Has raised more money than clinton from big pharma and far, far more than McCaine…..what did those big-time donors know that we don’t. Who was backing this guy?
    6. Exelon, Exelon, Exelon

    My god we’re a gullible bunch – starting with the press

    Again…we have to keep asking the questions until we shame them into covering this stuff.

    4. Go to TX or WI or OH and HELP. No question that the Obama team has out-organized us. I live in Boston and will be going to Ohio the weekend before the primary, I can pick up people along the way. Any takers.

    5. Of course, donate, donate, donate.

  8. From my earlier post on DK:Obama’s speech against the Iraq War was politically motivated. If he had strong convictions he would have acted on it after he got to the senate.

    Towards the end of 2002 Mr. Obama was contemplating a US senate run from Illinois in fact he declared his candidacy in 2003. It was essential for him to forge a strong liberal coalition and get strong support from the Illinois congressional delegation of his party. The congressional support of his party was essential in order to mount a state wide campaign.

    The Congressional vote on Iraq war took Place on October 11 and here is the composition of Illinois Democratic delegation and the Vote:

    Bobby Rush (D) of Chicago
    Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D) of Chicago
    William Lipinski (D) of Chicago
    Luis Gutierrez (D) of Chicago
    Rod Blagojevich (D) of Chicago
    Danny K. Davis (D) of Chicago
    Philip Crane (D) of Wauconda
    Janice D. Schakowsky (D) of Evanston
    David D. Phelps (D) of Eldorado
    Lane Evans (D) of Rock Island
    Jerry Costello (D) of Belleville
    Sen Dick Durbin

    Here is the Vote aginst the resolution:

    Jerry Costello, Danny Davis, Lane Evans, Luis Gutierrez, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Bobby Rush, Jan Schakowsky, Bill Lipinski, Sen Dick Durbin

    Bingo 9 out of 12 a ratio of 3:1

    Mr Obama spoke out bravely and courageously on October 2nd 2002 his text made no reference to the impending Congressional Iraq vote because he knew what it was going to be.

    Mr. Obama, I do not know about your convictions and your courage but I would say politically you are very astute. Your recent Reagan comments confirm that. Let me say this you have been awfully silent on the war for three years in the Senate.

  9. Good morning, folks.

    I was delighted to read the Julian Bond letter this morning. Thrilled that someone “gets it”.

    Now, to go donate the $10 HillaryLandRocks won off me last night. 😉

  10. Hi everyone, sorry if this is a double post but my links do not seem to show up if they have the http in them.
    There is a petition out there to get the delegates seated now. Please go and sign it if you haven’t yet.
    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/seatourdelegates/index.html
    Also, I created a Digg pointing to it, so Digg that as well if you have a Digg account:
    digg.com/2008_us_elections/Petition_to_have_Florida_and_Michigan_votes_seated

  11. Clintondem99…..GREAT ANALYSIS.

    Please, please send it in letters, emails to reporters everywhere – locals in OH, TX and PA, WI and nationals. Post it on every blog. Preaching to the choir here…..got to get the message out. I’ll help…….I am going to get a list of all the local papers, reporters, editorial writers in the next states and post here so that we can all send letters with info like what you have posted. Stay tuned.

  12. Good morning all. Can’t stay, but wanted to say thanks to Admin for the great Julian Bond story. My cousin was at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago back in ’68. She lived there. Had the crap beat out of her by the thugs of the machine. I certainly hope that Howard Dean has the foresight to stave off such horrific scenes again, but I just don’t know.

    My morning has been peaceful and quiet. No tv. 🙂 Although I did look for my post on CNN’s blog from last night. It was deleted. Imagine that… Another four years of media-controlled information via their golden boy? I say, bring on the convention, or the courts. Gotta get dressed and go to work. More later, and I will do some calling tonight.

  13. Ann,

    Here are the links that go with the my Iraq war comments:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/107th_United_States_Congress#Illinois

    usliberals.about.com/od/liberalleadership/a/IraqNayVote.htm

  14. Great post, admin.

    Thanks for the info about Chicago, and Julian Bond.

    The new kind of politics seems to be pretty much old Chicago kind of politics.

  15. I’ve read that endorsements are coming today for Obama..can anyone confirm? Has Russ Feingold of Wisconsin endorsed anyone? I have a feeling it will be Wisconsin people. I wonder if Hillary will have endorsements upcoming too…

  16. I wonder if Obama and the DNC have any clue just how many Hillary supporters WON’T vote for Obama in the GE? Even if I didn’t despise OB, his statement that it’s “indisputable that Clinton supporters will back me” alone is enough to make me run the other way.

    What an ass he is! And what a bunch of clueless morons the DNC has become. IF we registered to vote by party in TN, I would change my registration to Independent after all this bs.

    Maybe my husband is right, MAYBE it’s time I start looking closer at 3rd party candidates this year. If I’m going to have to waste my vote again this election, might as well make it count for SOMETHING.

  17. the only thing positive over the last few days it seems is that Hillary is still picking up endorsements and that her campaign seems to be making much needed changes.

    Hubby told me this morning to send her $50…he doesn’t know we’ve already given all our grocery money this month…

  18. I’ve read that endorsements are coming today for Obama..can anyone confirm?

    Haven’t heard anything. But it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if John Edwards waited to see how the candidates would do in the Potomac Primaries before he made his move. Always gotta put yourself in the best possible political situation rather than do the right thing, ya know?

    The Democratic Party right now makes me want to puke. Seriously.

  19. he doesn’t know we’ve already given all our grocery money this month…

    I hear ya, Dot. I had to kick in $10 this morning because of the bet I lost with HLR. I’m so sick of eating scrambled eggs I could scream. 😉

  20. Hey Dot, while I have you hear, IS there a way you can declare a party preference in TN? This is my first year voting in TN (I’m originally from Va.), and I was never asked what party I prefered. They simply registered me to vote without any questions.

  21. Larry Johnson has a good analysis of the inside-the-beltway vote yesterday:

    noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/13/barack-obama-establishment-man/#more-1517

  22. Idunn, it won’t be just Hillary supporters who won’t back or vote for Bambi, it’s the huge number of Republicans who voted for him in the primaries and caucuses who will drop him like a hot potato .. and his campaign should know it as well. The GE is not a primary where he can control voters. As many have already pointed out, the deepest of red states that he thinks he has conquered will ignore him, his thin veneer of “hope”, “change” and it’s all about “me” will have worn thin by the time even the DNC meets. McCain has barely breathed a hint of what is to come. The Rightie blogs are just waiting to launch their attacks and have been playing around the edges for months.

    Only our girl knows how to deal with this. Bambi may think that he’s tough coming from non-politically-defined Chicago and Illinois. Partisan politics is a very different animal and a lesson he is going to learn in short order. Axelrod comes straight out of the Daley machine and does know better. And Bambi — a lamb ready for big league slaughter.

    My money is still on the Dem Party figuring out that it’s better to put forward a proven and known candidate like Hillary — as will the Repubs ensure that their vetted and reliable candidate McCain — not some OJT politician like Bambi.

    Additionally, the prosecution intends to introduce Rezko’s financial records into the trial. Problem? Well, the trial will take longer, the defense objected. Guess who will win? especially because it’s Rezko’s financial records which are key evidence, plus the FBI “mole” who documented Bambi and Blago’s activities parading in and out of Rezmar for two years, etc. Add it up and Larry Johnson is right — Rezko is going to blow Obama up! 😉

  23. Rezko is going to blow Obama up!

    That’s my feeling too, Merry. In fact, that’s why I’m commited to making those Wisconsin calls today. Hold down the fort until the shit hits the fan. 🙂

  24. In case anyone had any doubt that the guys at MSNBC are humping Obama’s leg:

    Matthews: Obama Speech Caused ‘Thrill Going Up My Leg’
    By Brad Wilmouth | February 13, 2008 – 03:37 ET
    During MSNBC’s live coverage of Tuesday’s presidential primary elections, after the speeches of Barack Obama and John McCain had aired, Chris Matthews expressed his latest over the top admiration for Obama’s speaking skills as the MSNBC anchor admitted that Obama’s speech created a “thrill” in his leg: “It’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.”

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/02/13/matthews-obama-speech-caused-thrill-going-my-leg

  25. Remember Debate Obama VS Speech Obama

    Here is Chicago Machine Obama VS Hope Obama

    He has a log history of adopting Anti Democratic means in order to achieve his goals:

    The route that had brought Mr. Obama to Springfield was far from typical. Born in Hawaii and raised for a while in Indonesia, he had worked as a community organizer in Chicago after graduating from Columbia College in 1983. Returning from Harvard to practice law and later teach at the University of Chicago, he had run a voter registration drive in the 1992 election.

    Three years later, a congressman from the South Side of Chicago was convicted of having sex with a minor. A Democratic state senator from his district, Alice L. Palmer, decided to run for the seat. Carol Anne Harwell, Mr. Obama’s first campaign manager, said Ms. Palmer invited Mr. Obama, then 35, to run for her seat.

    But after losing in the primary, Ms. Palmer had second thoughts. A delegation of her supporters asked Mr. Obama to step aside. He not only declined, but his campaign staff challenged the signatures on Ms. Palmer’s campaign petitions and kept her off the ballot. It was nothing personal: They did the same thing to every other Democrat in the race.

    “He knocked off the incumbent, so that right there gave him some notoriety,” said Ron Davis, who served as Mr. Obama’s precinct coordinator. “And he ran unopposed — which for a rookie is unheard of.”

  26. Idunn
    I agree with you. We all should start looking for other candidates. just in case … Even Mc Cain is not off limits for me.

  27. B Merryfield,

    “it’s the huge number of Republicans who voted for him in the primaries and caucuses who will drop him like a hot potato .. and his campaign should know it as well. The GE is not a primary where he can control voters.”

    Bingo!

  28. That’s why he is making the claim that since he was able to win all of those states the superdelegates should come over to his side, give him the nomination and end the primary.

    He wants everything all wrapped up before the Rezko shit hits the fan. He knows it’s coming soon.

  29. here is the link for July ’07 NY times article source for the above comment:

    nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

  30. republicans know dam well that the only way to hold on power is to stop hillary in primary. they will continue doing it in the rest of states. we have to find a strategy to stop it now before Wisconsin, otherwise it will be too late.

  31. Media Matters has a petition to MSNBC going –

    “I agree with Media Matters: NBC News President Capus, the time for apologies has passed. We call on your network to change the demeaning tone that its coverage all too often takes and truly address this disturbing pattern once and for all.”

    http://mediamatters.org/action_center/capus/

  32. Please tell me he didn’t really say this on tv:

    Chris Matthews expressed his latest over the top admiration for Obama’s speaking skills as the MSNBC anchor admitted that Obama’s speech created a “thrill” in his leg: “It’s part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama’s speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.”

  33. plural, thanks for the new Larry Johnson link. Looks like I can’t read, research and write fast enough. That ties in with articles I’ve written in the pas two days.

    Add to that I just got another tip according to my gmail pop up. Gotta run.

    But please go read the latest. I’m looking for insight.

  34. # JanH Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    B Merryfield,

    “it’s the huge number of Republicans who voted for him in the primaries and caucuses who will drop him like a hot potato .. and his campaign should know it as well. The GE is not a primary where he can control voters.”

    Bingo!
    ————————
    I agree with you all, but his thinking is all democrats will come back to him because we all don’t want a repub — as I have said often, he wants to hold us hostage. I think that is what he means when he says Hillary’s supporters will vote for him — his statement in addition to being a threat is also a loaded statement.

  35. Go another Howard Dean/DNC email this morning asking for contributions….

    Here is my reply…

    Howard,

    You, and the democratic party, will receive no contributions from me until you acknowledge and seat the Florida and Michigan delegates and voters now. I am a life long democrat, I have never voted Republican in my life. However, if you and the DNC do not acknowledge and seat Florida and Michigan before the primary, I will be voting Republican for the first time in my life. Don’t make me ashamed of my own party. Do the right thing.

  36. If Hillary is not the presidential nominee, I’m voting McCain. That is how scared I am of an Obama Presidency. On the job training for a President? That makes something go “down” my leg.

  37. Per Washington State News…

    Barack Obama backers are putting heavy pressure on the state’s “Superdelegates” to switch allegiance and support him at the national convention.

    Only three of the state’s automatic delegates are endorsing Obama. But an Obama campaign official says the superdelegates should reflect the will of the people.

    But for now, none of the Hillary Clinton supporters show any signs of switching. That includes Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell.

  38. Ronald,
    Yes……..I am a lifelong democrat and have never voted for a Republican for any level office but if Obama is the nominee, I will vote for McCain (remember Reagan Democrats – we’ll have McCain Democrats in hordes with an Obama nomination) simply because I couldn’t, in good conscience, turn our country over to such untested hands in such perilous times. The “working class” voters are the exact voters that defected to Reagan in 1980 and 1984. We didn’t get them back until BC ran in 1992.

  39. Good for Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell.

    Come to think of it, maybe women dont get that “thrilling feeling up the leg” as easily as men. Who knows, they may be thinking instead of humping.

  40. Ann,

    I totally agree. I dont understand why Democrats keep turning to political unknowns everytime we have a sure thing. We dont need another Jimmy Carter right now.

  41. B. Merry said: “Here’s an email to send to Howie. Direct him to RezkoWatch and ask him how the DNC plans to make the fraud prosecution disappear? Maybe he needs some edumacating.”

    Am I to understand the DNC is not aware of the Obama/Rezko thing? I thought every politically aware Dem knew that by now.

    Who else should we be notifying about that site?

  42. coffee pot/water cooler talk this morning with my sports-obsessed guy “friends”:

    “steroids are not a congressional matter”
    “politicians should not be corrupt”
    “lobbyists are bad”
    “steroids not that bad.”
    “clinton is a *^tch”

    ugh….no, that was not a haiku but rather a really very funny observation of the men around me, who i regard as normally intelligent, sweet, nice and fun to hang out with….but, sometimes….OMG.

    actually one guy was appauled and called them all out on their hypocrisy and blasted them re: steroids! i loved it. NOTE: said guy is from O-H-I-O!

  43. Then Ted Kennedy and John Kerry should endorse Hillary. The tactics used by BHO remind me of the ones used by GOP in 2000 election.

    We need to speak up – we will not vote for BHO if he is the nominee! See how much “independent and GOP” votes he can get in GE.

  44. B Merry, I can not get into Rezkowatch to save me life. The link just keeps bogging down. Any suggestions of anything else I can try?

  45. All I can say is, come on Hillary, give it ALL you got, strategize, change the staff, make the hard decisions, adjust, adapt, pull this out!!!!

  46. It’s this simple folks, if we win Ohio, Texas, Florida, and Michigan……..Hillary wins. Period. If we don’t, Obambi wins. That is what this has come down to. Very simple. The odds are in our favor still, so keep working hard for the campaign.

  47. Ronald: We dont need another Jimmy Carter right now.

    I wish people would stop slapping Jimmy Carter around. He did a lot more good than he is given credit for. People today would be singing his praises if Reagan hadn’t dismantled Carter’s energy plan. The price of oil quadrupled through no fault of his, and that caused some inflation problems. He still created 12 million new jobs.

    He was also crucified by the MSM. My only complaint about him is he did not make his case very strongly, and he simply was not inclined to fight. That still may not have saved his job, but nothing is served by spewing out the old GOP attacks.

  48. I’ll say this: I won’t vote for McCain if Hillary doesn’t get the nom. Mainly because I think that’s EXACTLY what the republicans are trying to accomplish. BUT, I will waste my vote on a thrid party candidate. OR I’ll just show up in the GE and write in Hillary anyway.

    Bottom line, I’d rather saw off my own arm than cast a vote for Obama.

  49. I think the campaign never thought of this scenario. The pileon by the media, perhaps..but the downright luvfest by media of Obama, the exceptance of him as a savior dude with no questions asked??. There is not a lot a campaign can do about this…except keep fighting, which is what she is doing.

  50. meiyingsu Says:

    February 13th, 2008 at 9:50 am
    Psymac, how do you stop those cross-over republicans?

    when you donate to hillary, donate to a certain other rep. candidate that cares about the lower wage earners, so that the other gop candidate feels the heat and the gop voters stay in their own damn part of the yard.

  51. Enough with the “If Barack wins…” posts!! Ugh!

    Good point, Kingsgrove. It’s starting to make me want to puke too, and I started it. LOL.

  52. Idunn, totally agree…my sentiments exactly.

    As for the voting stuff in Tn…I registered here 10 years ago and all I know is my county asks me when I go in if I want a Dem or Rep ballot.

  53. Dot, you are right, Obambi is a phenomenon of cultish proportions. It has been said many times, by very wise political insiders, that if he were up against anyone besides Hillary, his opponent would have been crushed by now. This is a testament to Hillary and when she wins, it will be that much sweeter.

  54. True2 , I’m actually rooting for that other republican candidate. I’d love to see him kick McCains ass to the curb. 🙂

  55. From Champaign IL based News-Gazette (conservative paper):

    The deluge of donated cash is just one facet of Obamamania, the phenomenon that has prompted so many commentators to refer to him as a rock star instead of just another gifted and ambitious politician. Adoring crowds hang on Obama’s every assertion of a coming utopia, with all kinds of different people seeing in Obama exactly what they want a politician to be even though they may well be different things.

    This kind of hero worship disgusts more practical pols. Illinois’ Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan, a ruthless Chicago politician, has derisively referred to Obama as “the Messiah.” Former President Bill Clinton has repeatedly, and with justification, accused a fawning news media of giving Obama a free pass in their coverage of his campaign and characterized Obama as an inexperienced newcomer who has no business challenging his wife.

    But the reality is there’s nothing they can do about it. Obama is riding a wave that someday, whether it’s before or after he’s in the White House, will crash on the shoals of political reality. But for now and for at least a while, he’s the beneficiary a public adoration rarely seen in American politics.

  56. Sherm Kader
    I agree, Carter was a great president with great ideas and what he has accomplished after being president speaks for itself.

    However, he would have been much more effective if he had anticipated the political battles that awaited him- for example, the evangelical vote going to Regan, a divorced man whose wife followed a daily horoscope, instead of a sunday school teacher. That was simple ugly politics and even Carter has said so after the fact. He didn’t expect it and it took him by surprise.

    What sort of surprise awaits Bambi? This is the sort of thing Joseph Wilson is talking about in his editorial

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.hillary12feb12,0,94551.story

    experience counts. Hillary knows what to expect and how to fight it.

  57. //www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4281404&page=1

    Possible Edwards endorsment for Hillary…don’t be too hopeful though BUT something does keep giving me a gut that he will and also a gut that although this looks unhappy for us right now…she will still be 44

  58. The deluge of donated cash is just one facet of Obamamania, the phenomenon that has prompted so many commentators to refer to him as a rock star instead of just another gifted and ambitious politician. Adoring crowds hang on Obama’s every assertion of a coming utopia, with all kinds of different people seeing in Obama exactly what they want a politician to be even though they may well be different things.

    See Revelations 13. 👿

    😉

  59. abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4281404&page=1

    possible Edwards endorsement to Hillary..my gut tells me he will do the right thing.

    my gut tells me this is far from over too and that Hillary is 44

  60. More glimpses of possible incoming fire for BO:

    And he’s not exactly born of another Virgin Mary. He’s the product of the tawdry politics of the Chicago Machine, and he’s no stranger to the back-scratching that exemplifies how Chicago pols exchange favors. A corrupt businessman currently under indictment, Tony Rezko, joined with Obama in a bizarre venture to underwrite the cost of Obama’s mega-expensive house.
    Strangely, none of that seems to matter to those enthralled by the stirring vagueness of his speeches.

    news-gazette.com/blogs/pseudointellectual/2008/02/11/the_cult_of_obama_to_a_foreigner

  61. On the Air: The campaign began airing six television ads. “Obligation” is running in Wisconsin and “Falling Through” is airing in Ohio. “Lifetime,” “Obligation,” and “Dignity” are running in Texas, as is “Nuestra Amiga,” a Spanish language ad. Watch.

    If You Read One Thing Today: “Momentum has been an illusory concept in the Democratic race,” writes the Washington Post’s Dan Balz. “Obama had it after Iowa and then saw Clinton rise up and stop him in New Hampshire. Until [Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania] are heard from, this will remain a volatile race.” Read more.

    In Case You Missed It: Hillary accepted an invitation to debate Sen. Obama in Wisconsin, but Sen. Obama refuses to debate Hillary in Wisconsin.

    Previewing Today: Hillary kicks off her South Texas campaign in McAllen and holds “Solutions for America” rallies Robstown and San Antonio, Texas. Chelsea holds “Our Voice, Our Future” events at Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio Wesleyan University in Delaware and Sinclair Community College in Dayton, Ohio.

    Making News: NAACP chairman Julian Bond told “the Democratic National Committee that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise both states’ minority communities.” Read more.

    On Tap: President Bill Clinton will campaign in Wisconsin tomorrow, visiting Milwaukee, Madison and La Crosse. Hillary will campaign in Wisconsin Saturday evening through Tuesday morning.

    Recapping Yesterday: In the largely Latino community of El Paso, 12,000 “shouting,” “energetic” people greeted Hillary, who “came in like a rock star, with music blaring in a blackened basketball coliseum lit by a thousand cellphones.” . Former Texas Rep. Charlie Stenholm endorsed Hillary.

    The Hillary I Know: In Wisconsin, Chelsea made five stops in the past two days. Chelsea met with students near Marquette University and at University of Wisconsin campuses in Milwaukee, Madison, Eau Claire and La Crosse. In Madison, Chelsea spoke to a “packed room of mostly students. amid an atmosphere at times resembling a rock concert. The overflow crowd. was filled with people shoving forward, jockeying for a better position.”

    Facts are Facts: According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the “key difference” between Hillary’s health care plan and Sen. Obama’s health care plan is that “his plan would not be universal because it does not mandate that everyone enrolls.”

  62. I wonder if the polling groups can grow some common sense and decency and start doing polls that really matter. It would be really interesting to challenge Hillary’s opponent on his stance that more of her supporters would vote for him than the other way around.

    I think the results would be surprising.

  63. All,
    10 points in TX isn’t enough. We have to work it really, really hard. Calls, going to canvas, etc. Emails, letters to the editor, etc.

  64. Bambi is really going to try to make inroads in Ohio and Texas. As well as Wisconsin. If none of you have ever gone to Hills website and looked into making calls, PLEASE DO IT TODAY!!

    It isn’t hard at all, and it can really help keep our girl solid.

  65. Ann, my local Hillary office in Austin is opening today. We have a finance office here now, but that is all they have been doing. I called the finance office last night. The girl there told me that fundraising in Texas has been very good. Not so good in Austin, but that is understandable with the latte liberals and UT students. I am going to contact the new campaign office this afternoon. I will be getting some friends together and doing all we can for Hillary in Austin and surrounding areas. The fight goes on.

  66. We have a big phonebanking party planned for this week in San Antonio TX – 530pm til 9pm, everyone is bringing their cell phones and we will cheer each other on and phone for hours in Texas.

  67. Ann, thank you for reminding me what’s important. Thanks Admin for an excellent post and to everyone (ClintonDem99, Ann, Merry, others) for the analysis. The idea of BO as a reformer is patently absurd. He’s sold out, bought and paid for.
    But, I wanted to share with you a link to Joni Mitchell’s version of Rudyard Kipling’s “IF”– poetry slightly updated and gender-neutral. Should be one of our theme songs for when the going gets tough. Sorry, got to get to work. Enjoy!
    music.download.com/jonimitchellshine/3600-8978_32-101074973.html

  68. I’m going to Ohio the weekend before the primary. We CAN”T be out-organized in the upcoming states. Which area needs more help? Cleveland? Cinci? Others? Who knows?

  69. Wow, my call pitch is getting so good now. If only my voice didn’t sound like I was a 90 year old cigar smoker from NY. 😉

  70. Kaffeen,

    Thanks for the great numbers!

    Idunn,

    You are so right! Everyone should take some time and use the phone banking feature on Hillary’s site. Every call will help! Plus, most of the people are really nice. 😉

    tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/

  71. Okay…I’m finally getting this message on the make calls site: There are no callees in the queue.

    Was that it for Wisconsin? LOL!

  72. Ohio = Hillary + 17
    Texas = Hillary + 10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  73. Idunn, are you trying to put a www in front of the addy? If so, don’t. It won’t work. The pre is h t t p : / / But all you have to do is paste in rezkowatch.blogspot.com and the search engine will add the rest.

  74. Here’s an article about Obama’s grassroots organizing in Seattle. It’s an interesting read because not one of the enthusiastic volunteers has any concrete reasons for supporting him. This part is particularly fun.

    She says she voted for “the first Bush” because of one issue: abortion.

    [snip]
    I ask her if she is comfortable with Obama’s stance on abortion.

    “I can’t tell you what his stance is,” she says, but not as if she hasn’t considered the question. “Maybe I should know where he stands more precisely,” she says. “But I know me. If I get too hung up on that, I’ll lose sight of the bigger picture.

    http://www.crosscut.com/seattle/10765/

  75. “In Case You Missed It: Hillary accepted an invitation to debate Sen. Obama in Wisconsin, but Sen. Obama refuses to debate Hillary in Wisconsin.”

    this is another thing that i wish the clinton campaign would play up… she has offered/challenged to debate bho and continues to decline. this is never mentioned or made an issue of by the media. i think somehow ppl from the clinton camp need to play this up. they are always asked about the differences btw the two candidates, yet no one ever mentions the fact that a debate is a great time to see this and “unf. bho just refuses to debate….”, something to that effect to show ppl that he isnt this “invincible” character that everyone thinks he is! he is afraid to get off his script!

    another thing that is making me sick… all the pundits continue to compare him to jfk!!! well its pretty freaking easy to sound like jfk, when jfk’s speechwriter (ted sorensen) is writing your speeches!!! hello??? i’m sorry, but i think that would be such an easy way to discount his ability to orate! big deal… the guy can deliver a speech that was written for him! does that make a president? sorry for the rant, but the clinton campaign/ people that go on these talk shows and do interviews need to take the gloves off!!!

  76. “I can’t tell you what his stance is,” she says, but not as if she hasn’t considered the question. “Maybe I should know where he stands more precisely,” she says. “But I know me. If I get too hung up on that, I’ll lose sight of the bigger picture.”

    How irresponsible is that attitude? It’s as empty a reason as his lack of specific policies/solutions are.

  77. Holy shit, Merry! OB’s lack of transparency wrt where the hell his contributions are coming is huge!

    How can we get this out? Or get BM to bite? Any ideas?

  78. “I can’t tell you what his stance is,” she says, but not as if she hasn’t considered the question. “Maybe I should know where he stands more precisely,” she says. “But I know me. If I get too hung up on that, I’ll lose sight of the bigger picture.

    So many mindless robots out there…..scary.

  79. “I can’t tell you what his stance is,” she says, but not as if she hasn’t considered the question. “Maybe I should know where he stands more precisely,” she says. “But I know me. If I get too hung up on that, I’ll lose sight of the bigger picture.”

    ******

    that is downright orwellian! can anyone say 1-9-8-4??? scary!

  80. Wow….check out the new ad “debate” running in WI. Now that the Chesapeake primaries are over (large AA contingent to not offend), the gloves are really coming off…..YES!

  81. Obama supporters are just like Bush’s supporters in 2000.

    They couldn’t really tell you anything about him, but they ‘liked’ him more than Gore.

    The Kool-Aid was strong back then too. And, look what it got us.

  82. Matthews: Obama Speech Caused ‘Thrill Going Up My Leg’
    eeeewwww! 🙂

    as for comparisons to jfk.. what can you do, if they dont want to think about it. i’m younger so wasnt around when jfk was, but his beautiful speeches were about something besides the beautiful moment of electing jfk, weren’t they? obama’s are about 1) himself and 2) let’s all come together for change to something but nobody actually knows what that something is. (& since he isnt keen on debates who is going to ask, the media won’t ask)

  83. Reading the press reports and blogs makes me want to throw up. I think Hillary should launch and all out offensive…if he wants to know what the Republicans will do to him, then let’s show him. All the Obama people gloating is really pissing me off. I’m a democrat through and through, but I may find it hard to vote for Obama in November if he’s our nominee.

  84. * In case you missed it……

    You Touched my Heart – Notes and Photos from the Campaign
    2/12/2008 5:48 PM

    Dear Friend,

    I will never, ever forget how you were there for me when I needed you the most. When you learned that my campaign needed your help, you didn’t hesitate. And the overwhelming generosity that you showed in the past week is like nothing I have ever seen.

    As the race for the nomination continues, I hope you’ll remember that you have made this campaign your campaign. Our victories are your victories. I know that you are standing with me and that I can rely on you for help. And with your support, I know we’ll win.

    I wanted to share some of the kind words and stories you’ve shared with me over the past week, along with some of my favorite recent moments from the campaign trail. Take a look at the album on my website here:

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/thankyou

    Again, thank you so much for all you have done. My heart is truly full.

    Sincerely,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  85. Ohio = Hillary +17
    Texas = Hillary +10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5
    Delegates = Hillary +114

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  86. “I can’t tell you what his stance is,” she says, but not as if she hasn’t considered the question. “Maybe I should know where he stands more precisely,” she says. “But I know me. If I get too hung up on that, I’ll lose sight of the bigger picture.

    a woman’s right to choose is kind of IMPORTANT
    meanwhile, the bigger picture is.. hot air

  87. That Wisconsin ad is the best thing ever.

    I wish is lived in a more pro-Clinton region. I think we have a manufacturing plant for the kool-aid in Seattle.

  88. HUBdate: Six New Ads
    by Howard Wolfson, Communications Director
    2/13/2008

    On the Air: The campaign began airing six television ads. “Obligation” is running in Wisconsin and “Falling Through” is airing in Ohio. “Lifetime,” “Obligation,” and “Dignity” are running in Texas, as is “Nuestra Amiga,” a Spanish language ad. Watch.

    If You Read One Thing Today: “Momentum has been an illusory concept in the Democratic race,” writes the Washington Post’s Dan Balz. “Obama had it after Iowa and then saw Clinton rise up and stop him in New Hampshire. Until [Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania] are heard from, this will remain a volatile race.” Read more.

    In Case You Missed It: Hillary accepted an invitation to debate Sen. Obama in Wisconsin, but Sen. Obama refuses to debate Hillary in Wisconsin.

    Previewing Today: Hillary kicks off her South Texas campaign in McAllen and holds “Solutions for America” rallies Robstown and San Antonio, Texas. Chelsea holds “Our Voice, Our Future” events at Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio Wesleyan University in Delaware and Sinclair Community College in Dayton, Ohio.

    Making News: NAACP chairman Julian Bond told “the Democratic National Committee that refusing to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan would disenfranchise both states’ minority communities.” Read more.

    On Tap: President Bill Clinton will campaign in Wisconsin tomorrow, visiting Milwaukee, Madison and La Crosse. Hillary will campaign in Wisconsin Saturday evening through Tuesday morning.

    Recapping Yesterday: In the largely Latino community of El Paso, 12,000 “shouting,” “energetic” people greeted Hillary, who “came in like a rock star, with music blaring in a blackened basketball coliseum lit by a thousand cellphones.” . Former Texas Rep. Charlie Stenholm endorsed Hillary.

    The Hillary I Know: In Wisconsin, Chelsea made five stops in the past two days. Chelsea met with students near Marquette University and at University of Wisconsin campuses in Milwaukee, Madison, Eau Claire and La Crosse. In Madison, Chelsea spoke to a “packed room of mostly students. amid an atmosphere at times resembling a rock concert. The overflow crowd. was filled with people shoving forward, jockeying for a better position.”

    Facts are Facts: According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the “key difference” between Hillary’s health care plan and Sen. Obama’s health care plan is that “his plan would not be universal because it does not mandate that everyone enrolls.”

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=45814

  89. Tiny, write/call the super-delegates in Washington State. Make sure they know you are a resident/constituent and you support Hillary Clinton for President. The SD’s there are in Hillary’s favor, keep them that way. 🙂

  90. i adore the ad presently airing in wisconsin. perhaps all of us should telephone residents of wisconsin and deliver the state to hillary.

  91. Can someone compile a list of Super Delegates for all states? I do not have the time because I am working right now. If we can get a list of the SD’s and their contact/email, we can remind them experience counts.

  92. hey all – I’m reposting an article from newcomer DivaBunny – about how the Republicans are rigging the system. I don’t agree with all of it (in thecityedition.com and left corner link), but this part, I certainly do. The Time Magazine link is very enlightening too. We wonder where Obama gets his money – I think this sheds some light:

    Bamboozling the American electorate again
    Bush-Cheney strategy involves G.O.P. crossover voting to take out Hillary, marketing newcomer Obama, an “independent” ticket, and maybe even martial law…

    Updated February 10, 2008

    Evidence of a covert campaign to undermine the presidential primaries is rife, so it’s curious that the Democractic Party and even some within the G.O.P. have decided to ignore the actual elephant in the room this year. That would be Karl Rove. After rigging two previous presidential elections, this master of deceit would have us believe that he’s gone off to sit in a corner and write op-eds.

    Not so. According to an article in Time Magazine, Republican party activists have been organized to throw their weight behind Barack Obama, the democratic rival of frontrunner Hillary Clinton. Early in Obama’s campaign, major G.O.P. fundraisers and at least one indicted criminal flushed his coffers with cash – something the deep pockets haven’t done for any candidate in their own party. With receipts topping $100 million in 2007, the first-term senator from Illinois is doing well, considering few Americans had even heard of him before 2006.

    The Time magazine article goes on to explain that rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations, enabling them to vote in Democratic primaries. The G.O.P. didn’t even compete in the Nevada primary, where Obama subsequently picked up many rural counties, and in Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for him on February 9th. Called crossover voting, the tactic is playing a crucial role in the Rove push to deprive Clinton of the Democratic nomination. Even with his usually reliable arsenal of dirty tricks – paperless electronic voting equipment, waitlisting, swiftboating, etc. – Rove would be hard pressed to defeat Clinton in November, since she’s popular nationwide and has promised an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq. If the contest isn’t close, the vote-rigging won’t matter.

    If, on the other hand, Obama wins the nomination (or even the VP spot), Rove’s prospects brighten considerably. Largely unvetted by the media, the first-term senator carries considerable baggage from his stint as a state legislator in Chicago. So far, the mainstream press has avoided the messy details and presented something more akin to a Madison Avenue marketing campaign. Both the soft lens and the soft shoe harken back to the media blitz that persuaded Americans in 2003 of the necessity of a pre-emptive strike on Iraq. For example, The author of the Time magazine article, Jay Newton-Small, offered the following explanation to account for the bizarre love affair G.O.P. voters say they’re having with an African American senator on the other side of the aisle. “It seems a lot of Republicans took to heart Obama’s statement in his rousing speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that ‘there is not a liberal America and a conservative America — there is the United States of America.'”

    Is he kidding?

  93. perhaps all of us should telephone residents of wisconsin and deliver the state to hillary.

    I’d love to, but I have no more Wisconsin calls on the website. Or any other state for that matter. Looks like I get to take the day off. 🙂

  94. I looked into it Merry, I’d have to join. No way am I brave enough to do that.

    Someone give me a neocon site and I’ll float it over there. 🙂

  95. Yeah!!! Love the new “debate” ad!!! 😀

    So when are we going to get an ad about the “Oops, wrong button?!?” :0 I talked to my mom on the phone last night. She had never heard of the OOPS WRONG BUTTON issue!!!! We were talking about how the GOP will drop 👿 like a bag of dirt in the general, and what an overall weak GE candidate he is. I did not even have to pitch the ad; I just told her about the buttons and she was like, “Oh my god!” she agreed that it could kill his campaign.

    I am tired of the pussyfooting. I think it is time to go nuclear! (or well…. maybe in 2 weeks, bwahaha) Hit him with that ad already! I am so sick of 👿 I want him OUT OF THE RACE!

  96. @kaffeen:

    committed SDs by state: demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

    UNcommitted SDs by state: demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegates-who-havent-endorsed.html

    table shows people’s vote v. SD endorsement: demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/do-superdelegates-vote-same-as-their.html

    the list is SUPER long, so i didnt want to copy and paste.

  97. Wow you really can’t go anywhere that allows Obama supporters to post that isn’t turning vile. Even on the more neutral sites, any blog that posts anything remotely pro-Clinton or even HINTS at the tiniest criticism of Obama has it’s comments turned into the nastiest !@#!@ thing ever. That’s the internet for you. Luckily the percentage of the voters who make their way to these sites is teeny tiny.

  98. I’m now officially calling myself an Independent. That means I can pick and choose my loyalties based on my own criteria. I’m just sayin’ . 😉

  99. I think the ad in tx should not mention bush at all because it will provoke more cross-over republicans who love bush.

  100. Heee! “Oops wrong button” was Precious’ explanation for several mistaken/accidental votes in the Illinois Senate. It was either 5 or 6, I can’t remember precisely. Anyway, when pressed to defend his votes on these matters Precious explained that he mant to vote “yes,” but accidently hit “no” (or vice versa in a few cases). I don’t have to draw you a map for how this idiocy could be used in a campaign… One haunting image of the nuclear button, and his campaign is DEAD.

    There is a video somewhere of Joe Scarborough (of all people) taking Precious to task for this pathetic excuse. Of course no one in the media followed up on it, since Precious is never held accountable for ANYTHING HE DOES AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL!!!!!!!!!!!

  101. IDunn – I just checked the website and calling tools – Wisconsin voters are still coming up.

    Also, maybe you can find the Wisconsin offices, and tell them, you’re happy to volunteer calls, and perhaps they can send you calling lists. since I volunteered for the campaign, it was easier for me to get gotv call lists sent to me via email by people I know in the campaign.

    Also, all, there’s a tool on the hillaryclinton.com site where you can look up FIND AN EVENT, and put in a zip code, and you’ll see items like this –

    **Phone Bank from the Team Hillary campaign office**Friday, February 15
    When

    Friday, February 15, 2008 at 10:00 AM – 6:00 PMTeam Hillary Campaign Office, LGBT Community Center
    315 W. Court Street
    Milwaukee, WI 53212
    General Area: South of Walnut between 3d & 4th Streets

  102. again, i can’t make reporters pay attention, but they should look at the comments posted on their stories/blog posts (hi Ben!) because you are right tiny dancer, politico, abc, nyt, anywhere you can post reactions to articles there are a lot of HATEFUL posts about hillary & bill coming from obama supporters. it’s out of control. i remember the dean people got that way when the media started to question his record in late fall, early winter of 03-04. working the refs i guess. i suppose under “clinton rules” this is acceptable

  103. Rotf, this is awesome. It’s from the official Washington State Dem site.

    Do I need to bring ID to the Caucuses? No, but when you sign in you are asked to declare that you are a Democrat and a registered voter. This is by the honor system.

  104. Tiny Dancer,
    I know…..don’t back down. It’s fun provoking them. Maybe if we tie some of them up fighting us online, we can sneak into TX, OH, WI and PA and ORGANIZE.

  105. dont know if this has already been posted, but here’s a call to make today… lets call to demand florida and michigan votes count!

    the DNC: 18773367200

  106. Well, we got our asses handed to us last night, and that’s never a pleasant sensation, but like Maureen McConnell sang, “There’s got to be a morning after”…We WON’T lose eight contests in a row AGAIN, that’s for sure… Avoid the places where Barry’s gloating cultists congregate as they will be at the ZENITH of their arrogant adulation today. The good news is that this (depressing) phase is over, the losses will diminish in value and impact as they hit the rear-view, and did I mention, WE’RE STILL HERE!

    The nature of this campaign has SLOWED down time. TT was only EIGHT days ago, but it FEELS like MONTHS, doesn’t it? That’s also good news. Barry HAD his headlines today, then they’re yesterday’s news in a subjective time-line akin to the song, “tonight”, from “West Side Story”, where, “The minutes seem like hours, etc.” Momentum is IMPOSSIBLE to sustain when time moves so lugubriously slow. In this environment a week is a lifetime and yesterday’s news is ancient history.

    You admit your losses and you start fresh. Denial is for LOSERS and has never helped anyone win anything and we are WINNERS! Winning is an ATTITUDE and a true winner can be beaten, a true winner can suffer losses, but a true winner can never be DEFEATED. Quoting the great Knute Rockne (again), “A QUITTER never wins, and a winner NEVER QUITS”! If there are any quitters here, don’t let the door hit you in the kiester in your way out the door.

    Let’s be realistic for a moment; The contest we (certainly I) thought would be over by the end of this month will go on into the Spring. We will garner endorsements and delegates and so will our rival. BM will NOT change their tune, despite the fact that we, at least temporarily, have assumed the role of underdog, and the underdog has traditionally enjoyed favorable coverage by Big Media. We will raise (and spend) TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars, and so will they. We are in a contest against someone who never imagined that they would get this far, but now that they have, has something to LOSE. There is little benefit to being the front-runner except for the colorful target on your back.

    There is a YEAR (a week) between now and Wisconsin. What can we EACH do INDIVIDUALLY to help Hillary between now and then? What can Hillary do to lasso the news cycle and spin it our way between then and now? What EVENTS and situations will arise that can be turned to our advantage between today and the 19th? This is what we should be focusing on, and to their credit, many here have been doing just that.

    If you want to know about delegate counts, primary dates, where Hillary will be today, etc., do everyone a favor and use your search engine or hopefully the sites you’ve bookmarked at, CNN, NYT, RCP, Hillary’s site, or GOOGLE. Many who ask those same questions ad infinitum seldom have any trouble locating BAD news.

    Stop the back-biting! I have been disheartened, as I am sure many others have, at the petty bickering and flame-wars caused by self-appointed thought police and the general nasty tone of many posts in the past week or so. I have found it often painful to read and it has discouraged my desire to participate in this forum.

    Better days are coming! Still, let’s not kid ourselves; We MUST win the contests we have targeted. It’s all about the next few weeks and what we can contribute to make Hillary 44. You have seen her courage. You have seen her determination and dedication. You have seen her TOUGHNESS, and you have seen her HEART. If we can be 1/2 as strong as Hillary is, there is nothing that can stop us.

    I don’t have to reiterate the importance of this election, all you have to do is read a newspaper to see the extent of what the, “leadership”, of the past seven years has done to the country we love, and how much hard work is ahead to right the ship of state. There is really only one person left in this election who can tackle the multiple challenges we face and succeed in overcoming them with decency, fairness and compassion. There is only one person who can repair the damage to our psyche, our national pride and our CONSTITUTION. A little over a year ago, Hillary announced her historic candidacy by saying, “I’m not just in, I’m in it to win it!”. She hasn’t wavered or backed down one inch since that day, through good times and bad, and neither should we.
    America needs a comeback of epic proportions. That comeback begins TODAY and culminates when Hillary puts her hand on the Bible in January 2009.

  107. So, Plouffe says Hillary can’t catch them? He is delusional. She has the delegate lead now, per the NY Times. In addition, his argument is that SD’s, Florida, and Michigan will not count. How ludicrous. I’m sure the Obambi-bots are eating that up, but anyone with an average IQ will see this for what it is….BS.

    Ohio = Hillary +17
    Texas = Hillary +10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5
    Delegates = Hillary +114

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  108. Kaffeen,

    I guess Axelrod should have kept his mouth shut on NBC.

    facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5911

    The BO campaign sees the writing on the wall and are producing their normal ‘we’re the best’ (*gag*) spin.

    P.S. – Love this:
    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  109. seems the .44 donation is catching on – this is from Ohio events in Hillary Clinton:

    *SUSAN B. ANTHONY MONEY BOMB DAY*
    When

    Friday, February 15, 2008 at 1:00 AM – 11:55 PM

  110. whoops – here’s the rest SUSAN B. ANTHONY MONEY BOMB DAY: On February 15th, 1820, Susan B. Anthony was born. She fought for women’s rights her entire life, establishing the National Women’s Suffrage Association in 1869, which later became the National American Woman Suffrage Association. She died shortly before the passing of the 19th Amendment, which game women the right to vote. She is the first woman to be on a US coin. I believe, in honor of this great woman and her accomplishments, that we honor another great woman – Hillary Rodham Clinton. Let’s donate any amount of money we can with 44 cents added on to show that Hillary is OUR choice for the 44th President of the United States! Ignore the location I posted

  111. MSNBC has been repeating Obama’s taling points about FL and MI. That hack Chuck “Obama” Todd thinks that DNCC could split it 50/50; C/O at the convention. How ridiculous??

  112. Hillary told WKYC-TV in Cleveland that she has NOT accepted or rejected an invitation to the Cleveland State University debate if sponsored by NBC/MSNBC, but she has accepted invitations for a debates in Youngstown (sponsored by the newspaper) and a CNN sponsored debate.

    w*w.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=83207

    * Hillary will be in Youngstown on Thursday 2/14, visiting the Youngstown Incubator, and a rally at a nearby but yet to be determined location

    * There will be a rally in the Cleveland area at Lyndhurst on Friday 2/15 from 4-7PM

    * There will be a rally in the Cleveland area at University Heights on Saturday 2/16 at the site of the grand opening of the Clinton campaign headquarters from 11AM – 6PM

  113. Thanks Clintondem and Divabunny for the SD lists. Let’s give ’em hell. Tell them that their position is to vote for the best candidate for our country. They are very likely to decide the future of our country and this requires them to make the “smart” decision. The Presidency is not for on the job training. Experience counts. Go Hillary!

  114. Hillary should refuse any NBC/MSNBC debates as long as Tim Russert and that guy who gets chills in his legs are a part of it!

  115. “Any woman who chooses to behave like a full human being should be warned that the armies of the status quo will treat her as something of a dirty joke. That’s their natural and first weapon. She will need her sisterhood.”

    ~ Gloria Sreinem

    It kind of explains the MSM to a T.

  116. sucks from politico today, but the upside, the guy’s being investigated by FBI.

    Puerto Rico Governor to endorse Obama

    Mike Allen passes on word that later this morning Commonwealth of Puerto Rico Governor Anibal Acevedo-Vila will announce his endorsement of Obama.

    There are 63 delegates are at stake in the state, which is the last to vote on June 7.

    Along with playing a role in Puerto Rico — if we ever get there — the planned endorsement is a boost for Obama with Latino voters, where his campaign thinks endorsements can really matter.

    ALTHOUGH: A Vila downside: FBI probing his campaign finances.

  117. @joefriday:
    wow! i thought that she had changed her mind and agreed to the debate bc msnbc is adverstising it nonstop! omg! just another example of them trying to strongarm her! they are trying to back her into a corner to debate and if she doesnt do it… well… can you even IMAGINE what chrissy and the other mysogynists will report abt that??? you KNOW they arent going to mention the shuxter comment again… they are going to blow it OUT of proportion and make it look like she doesnt want to debate barry! what a**holes!

    i’m torn… she kills him in debates, and that will be good in the grand scheme of things, BUT i want her to stand her ground on this thing.

  118. abt the leg thing that chrissy said… it reminds of what my dad would say, “dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining,” thats basically what bho is doing to ppl….

  119. another gem from politico, re: whether journalists should vote from reporter John Harris – is this how journalists see themselves? FAIR MY ASS (hi ben!):

    “My belief is that being a journalist for an ideologically neutral publication like Politico, or the Washington Post, where I used to work, does not mean having no opinions. It means exercising self-discipline in the public expression of those opinions so as not to give sources and readers cause to question someone’s commitment to fairness.”

  120. Per the Statesman (Austin, Texas)…

    Attendance to the Feb. 21 Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton debate at the University of Texas will be by invitation only, said Hector Nieto of the Texas Democratic Party.

    “There are no public tickets,” he said. “The majority of the people invited are going to be elected officials.”

    The Democratic Party will host a watch party, Nieto said. He said he’ll have details soon on that.

    I’m bummed, I really wanted to see this and support Hillary. Maybe even yell out “Rezko” or something.

  121. When I can finally get in touch with the Hillary campaign office going up today here in Austin, I’m going to try to get a bunch of people together to picket outside the debate. “Rezko!” “Oops, Wrong Button!” “Exelon!” et al……hehehe

  122. janh: i wonder too. maybe to keep it from turning into a rally for one side or the other? just speculating.
    it did seem like south carolina debate may’ve been elected officials… it appeared that way from the audience.

  123. I think we all should donate today to show that we are not daunted by yesterday’s outcome. I am going to do it right now.

  124. Here is a great post from Jerome Armstrong of MyDD on the state of the race and Dean and Donna Brazille breaking the rules in stripping Florida and Michigan of their delegates:

    “50 means 50, and far from over
    by Jerome Armstrong, Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 08:06:39 AM CST

    I’d like to take my friend Markos at his word, that Obama is running a 50-state strategy. As a fellow 50-state propagandist, I would expect that he shares the opinion that it applies not just to a presidential campaign, but also to the presidential nomination. With that in mind, lets look into this bit of mess that the DNC has gotten us into, and then look at the state of the delegate race.

    Rabid supporters may claim that I am saying Florida and Michigan should be counted because I’m a paid shill for Clinton, but besides getting handed a one-way ticket out of here, you’d also be wrong. Go back here and find when the DNC first said something about Michigan’s delegates not counting, and you’ll find I wrote an out-spoken post against the decision. It has nothing to do with Clinton, and everything to do with the principle. In fact, if Obama hadn’t taken his name off the Michigan ballot, he probably would have won the state, as could have Edwards. The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee made a bad move, so did the Obama campaign, but Michigan held their primary. That it wound up in Clinton’s favor is beside the point.

    Speaking as someone who sent Howard Dean to the DNC to decentralize the power of that committee to the states, it was a terrible leadership for him to have allowed the Rules & Bylaws Committee to tangle the presidential nominating selection process by selectively attempting to strip two states of their delegates, while continuing to ignore the fact that Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina broke those same rules.

    What’s that? Yes, read the rules. I’ve posted about this before, and andrewalker08 has a must-read follow-up:

    Yes, you read that right; under Rule 20.C.1.a., Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina would have all lost their super delegates and had their pledged delegates reduced by half since they all violated Rule 11.A.
    However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina weren’t punished fairly. In fact, they weren’t punished at all.

    And what about Florida & Michigan?

    Well, we all know what happened to them.

    Instead of strictly adhering to Rule 20.C.1.a. and reducing their pledged delegates by 50%, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee decided to take it a step further. The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee exercised the authority granted to them by Rules 20.C.5. and 20.C.6. which allowed them to “impose sanctions the Committee deems appropriate.” And what were those sanctions the Committee deemed appropriate? Stripping two of the largest states in the union of their votes at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

    That sort of ruling, my friends, is why it’d be worth whatever it takes to get Donna Brazile to remove herself from being in a position of authority within the Democratic Party.
    Now, as I understand it, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee has not taken up the move by IA, SC, and NH in the their meetings; that the way it played out was, those states waited until after the DNC meetings on the matter, where they ruled against FL & MI, to make their move. The best case you could make, in their defense, is that it is still pending. But it seems pretty obvious, from looking at the reporting at the time, that their moves were just as self-interested and non-conforming.

    Given the Obama supporters like him have stated that MI and FL shouldn’t count (“they broke the rules”), I hope they’ll be leading the charge to demand that the DNC apply their rules fairly– or does the 48 state Obama strategy to get nominated turn into a 45 state strategy?

    No. The DNC has over-stepped their authority in the first place. Just as NH, IA an SC are not punished, so also will go FL & MI.

    Here’s the state of the race that includes all 50 states:

    Clinton leads Obama, 1127 to 1119, in pledged delegates.

    Clinton leads Obama, 240 to 140, in super-delegates.

    There are 393 remaining super-delegates.

    There are 1301 remaining pledged delegates.

    There are another 94 remaining delegates among the uncommitted, and John Edwards delegates.

    Now, these numbers might shift one way or the other if you subscribe to one or another’s of the MSM outlet’s projection. I go with GreenPapers and DemConWatch, for the delegate and superdelegate counts, because they are more credible in their documentation and transparency.

    It’s not clear how this gets resolved. Obama can win this outright, but to do so through a tactical maneuver would be an illegitimate nomination. If he goes onto win Ohio, Texas, and other states, he will exceed the number of delegates to put the matter to rest via inclusion. Clinton’s campaign is in need of something that changes the current dynamic, but as the numbers above show, she can still win. One thing is clear: this is far from over.”

  125. Diva, per a personal contact, I understand that the Austin debate is going to be about who you know. It will be interesting to see if the “elected” officials are partisan.

  126. The best resource for delegate counts:

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/

    Includes Michigan and Florida Candidate Delegates Super
    delegates Total
    Clinton 1127 242 1369
    Obama 1119 142 1261
    Edwards 25 — 25
    Unknown-IA 14 — 14
    Uncommitted 55 — 55
    Undeclared 0 391 391
    Updated 2/13/2008 Delegates Needed: 2207

  127. Great post TPS – how the Democrats ever wound up in something that wreaks of the Gore/Bush situation in 2000 (and Florida involved again)…DNC are idiots. Brazile and Dean should go.

  128. Wednesday, February 13, 2008
    Obama barely cutting superdelegate gap
    We wrote this last Tuesday:

    Three weeks ago, Clinton was leading Obama in superdelegates, 165-69, a 96 superdelegate lead. As of today, just over 3 weeks later, Clinton leads 201-107, a 94 superdelegate lead.

    74 superdelegates have endorsed over the last 3 weeks (3.3/day), and Obama has won 38 of the 74, or 51% of them. So while Obama is now keeping pace with Clinton, he’s certainly not cutting into the gap as some have expected, or even thought was actually happening.

    A week later, and the spread as of this morning is 228-138, a 90 superdelegate lead. 58 superdelegates have endorsed over the last week, and Obama has taken 31 of the 58, or 53%. It has been written elsewhere that Obama has made big inroads into the superdelegate gap. It hasn’t happened yet.

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/

  129. divabunny,

    Well if that is the case, then this may be in Hillary’s favor. I can’t see many legislators wanting the populace to witness bad behavior on their parts.

    No booing from the other camp, etc…

  130. As well, Hillary is wonderful at debating. Without a teleprompter, her opponent will simply be stealing her talking points and glaring/making faces most of the time.

    Hopefully the questions will be even-sided and hard-hitting.

  131. ADMIN: I have a suggestion. You might want to put a running total from demconwatch.blogspot.com/ on your front page. With so many numbers floating around from the various news organizations it is useful to have an accurate count that is informative and provides the BIG PICTURE to our nervous friends here.

  132. dot48 – good that the news cycles and hopefully the writers strike being over and TV shows back on track will cut into obama’s false momentum.

  133. Obambi has that “deer in the headlight” look when debating. He stutters and stumbles…..without all the “I love you” comments, a pulpit, and bible, he falters big time.

  134. Hillary better be doing somethi8ng in wisconsin, if she loses all other states in Febuary, her march hopes will be cut a bit, she wont be able to regain a pledged delegate lead, which will be the only way to win I can see, the majority of the S.D will go with who has a pledged delegate lead.

  135. Also, per the NY Times….she is up by 114 delegates.

    Ohio = Hillary +17
    Texas = Hillary +10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5
    Delegates = Hillary +114

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  136. Rig…that’s why we should help her by calling Wis-Kahhhn-son voters.

    I’ll be doing just that later this evening.

  137. “Roger Clemens hearings taking news cycle….

    Good 🙂

    And the ice storm seriously cut into the BO gloat fest overnight and this morning.

  138. lninla,

    any idea where else campaign opening offices in Ohio?

    Not that know.

    Team Hillary has some rallies and volunteer events in Columbus, Cincinnati, and Dayton though.

  139. NYT doesn’t include caucus delegates and rightfully so, they haven’t been allocated yet. No one should concede until those delegates are sorted out, Clinton could pick up a few, who knows.

  140. Ininla Thanks. It is important for us to keep the big picture in perspective. Sometimes the daily media noise drown out things. Obama has a won a bunch of small states and caucuses. Hillary has won the big states and will continue to win the big states.

    The most important thing she needs now is MONEY. If she has that, she will be fine.

  141. Clinton campaign needs to immediately open staff offices in all states, immediately. These 3 upcoming events are the most important of her political career.

  142. Now that it is more than nine months since the campaigning for primaries began, did Matthews (the one who has shivers when the golden boy speaks) deliver Obama’s baby yet? The whole crew at MSNBC must be ready to deliver by now.

  143. Another good thing. The writers are back. I’m not sure how long it will take, but some shows are already starting to pick up new episodes now. This means less people watching Matthews feel something drip down his leg.

  144. Kaffeen have you thought about sending your Rezko link to Bill O’Reilly at Fox? I know he did air a piece about Obama’s church. He’s been very fair regarding Hillary and he may do a piece on the Rezko fiasco so at least it will get out there for people to see. Also maybe send something to Hannity and Colmes. Alan Colmes is a Hillary supporter, he always defends her on the show. Just a thought.

  145. Very true Kaffeen…lol… And with American Idol back, maybe the “youth vote” will move to something with more “substance.

  146. I don’t like the WI ad, only because I don’t think it will get Obama to agree to debate, therefore it is sort of a waste of funds. Hillary is our chance, once in a generation to have a great president. I think she should start running against both of these clowns, McCain and Obama.

  147. A couple observations after the night from hell:

    1) I have no doubt Obama is being heavily funded by the GOP and that Rove is coordinating an effort to have Repubs caucus and vote for Obama. It’s happening sub rosa, though, so there’s no way to out the GOP on this. You’d think people like Ted Kennedy would be aware of this, however, but I’m realizing more and more how leading Dems aren’t the smartest people in the world, to put it mildly.

    2) This media lovefest will absolutely come crashing down. Unfortunately for us, it may come AFTER he secures the nomination. Then we’re totally screwed.

  148. The WI ad is worthwhile because maybe it will get the voters wondering why he doesn’t think they are worth his time. Also, maybe they will start looking more closely at him.

  149. at the end of it all, Hillary Clinton could come out with a 150 delegate lead, that includes S.D so far, not it will depend onthe rest of the S.D, which will feel pressure to vote for pledged delegate leader,but less so if that lead is small. If HRC can push BO’s pledged delegate lead to less than 20, and maybe win over some caucus delegates, the S.D could decide. Also, FL/MI situation could make all the difference…

  150. MJ, I’m hoping that the campaign has done some serious research and found that the debate “to not debate” resonates with voters. Also, this is a common thing in politics. The one with most to lose doesn’t want to debate, the won with most to win does. It is quite common to see ads about this in various races around the country. So, it must resonate somehow.

  151. Doors open at 4:30 in Columbus for the rally. We still say, Don’t Debate With NBC – Deck ‘Em:

    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/02/13/ohdebate.ART_ART_02-13-08_A4_VN9BGHB.html?sid=101

    Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York will kick off her Ohio campaign Thursday with a rally at Ohio State University.

    The “Solutions for America” event, to begin at 6 p.m., will be in the French Field House. Clinton will be joined by Gov. Ted Strickland and former Sen. John Glenn of Ohio.

    Clinton also will campaign in Youngstown on Thursday morning, although details were not available

    Also, a televised debate in Ohio between Clinton and rival Democratic Sen. Barack Obama apparently is a go for Feb. 26. There’s still just one problem — Clinton still won’t confirm her participation.

    The debate, in Cleveland, is to be presented by Cleveland NBC station WKYC.

    Allison Gollust, an NBC spokeswoman, said both Obama and Clinton had agreed to the debate.

    But a Clinton spokesman said yesterday afternoon that he could not confirm his candidate’s participation.

    Ben LaBolt, an Obama spokesman, said, “We committed to the NBC/WKYC debate in Cleveland — which will reach the widest audience statewide.”

    The Cleveland debate was put in doubt when a commentator for MSNBC, which is owned by NBC, last week used a derogatory term to refer to Chelsea Clinton, daughter of the presidential candidate. MSNBC’s David Shuster, noting that Chelsea Clinton was calling Democratic superdelegates to seek their support of her mother, asked, “Chelsea is sort of being pimped out in some sort of weird way?”

    NBC has suspended Shuster and apologized to the Clinton campaign.

    The debate is to be moderated by NBC Nightly News anchor Brian Williams and Tim Russert of Meet the Press.

  152. Obama – running as a cult head – is a bigger threat to this republic than having a republican president like McCain where people and the press can still treat someone as a human being and subject him to the same criticism as anyone else. With Obama, it is transcending politics. It has become that people and the press are thinking that he is god re-incarnated on this earth to save this planet from evil. There is no critical analysis or anything. People (his cult followers) are just happy to be breathing the air on this planet at the same time he is breathing. Such presidents are dangerous not only for this country but for the whole world. As history shows that when someone has unchecked and unquestioned powers that could lead to a disaster for everyone else.

  153. I think the debates must take an awful lot of tutoring for her opponent and his stress level must go through the roof each time one of these events takes place. It must be very trying for him to watch Hillary just breeze through with grace and the right answers just at her fingertips.

  154. Why is Howard Wolfson not putting out the numbers from demconwatch? Why is Hillary hub not putting up these numbers?

  155. hi hillfans, except fro msnbc the delagate count still looks good for hilllary. when hillary camp is going to release the new online fundraising figures? they are taking forever to post.

  156. I don’t like the WI ad, only because I don’t think it will get Obama to agree to debate, therefore it is sort of a waste of funds.

    Money well spent imo because it shows him to be a chickenshit. Plus, many WI voters might not know he’s refused to debate. Plus, the ad forces OB to respond in some fashion. Always good strategy to force a response from your opponent, makes him take his eye off the ball, if only for a second.

  157. AND, if he his forced to debate, he’ll need alot of time to prepare to go up against her. THAT means, he can’t bombard the campaign trail so much with mega rallys. 😉

  158. Here’s something to laugh at. It’s from an episode of 30 Rock that aired last year. It’ll probably be taken down in .5 seconds though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2noIMJH79k

    Tina Fey is an independent, but her character has been described as a “godless glassy-eyed clintonista.”

    I hope I’m doing the embed correctly.

  159. I heard on Laura Ingraham yesterday that Obama campaign is specifically instructing its volutneers to absolutely stay away from discussing policy specifics when canvassing and to talk on general terms about their candidate. They think that talking issues is a loser for them. They want to tell people “how they felt deep down inside when the hear him speak?” and “how they were touched with emotion when he speaks?” and stuff like that during door-to-door canvassing.
    She said that the campaign strategy is to not connect on issues but to connect on the emotion.

    Cult of a personality, anyone?

  160. “how they felt deep down inside when the hear him speak?” and “how they were touched with emotion when he speaks?”

    Or maybe what they felt running up or down their leg.

  161. …and earned media – she needs the free publicity which is a big budgetary expense. She can’t afford NOT to debate, but a compromise could be to push the envelope and ask that NBC review their programs and pundits and enact fairness practices: from NYT last night: nytimes.com/2008/02/13/us/politics/13watch.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

    “And Tuesday night, MSNBC tried very hard to be on its best behavior. Chris Matthews, who on “Hardball” often refers to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton by her first name, switched to “Hillary Clinton, Senator Clinton.” Mr. Matthews was so intent on not causing offense he introduced a senior Clinton adviser, Lisa Caputo, by saying: “What a nice person she is. And I mean this, she’s a friend of mine, they are all nice friends.”

    MSNBC was the only one of the three cable news networks that showed Mrs. Clinton’s speech at a Texas rally almost in its entirety; Fox News and CNN cut away much sooner to the primary results. Tuesday night’s coverage of the so-called Potomac primaries on MSNBC was so polite it was almost comical: the channel’s usually brash, voluble anchors were like schoolboys sent to the principal’s office, straining to look penitent and extra attentive.

    MSNBC calls its stars “the best political team” on television, but at the moment some players are in disgrace. A reporter, David Shuster, was suspended by the network for saying that Chelsea Clinton had been “pimped out” by her mother’s campaign. Last month, Mr. Matthews was forced to apologize for saying that Mrs. Clinton had won her Senate seat and become a presidential front-runner because of a husband who, as he put it, “messed around.”

  162. Ininla, when Hillary refuses to debate on NBC she will get plenty of publicity. She can debate on CNN as agreed then state clearly that she won’t debate on NBC and why. Maybe she should say this on the CNN debate.

    It’s not about compromise anymore. Hillary cannot afford another gang attack by Russert, Williams and Obama, while not a single question is asked about Rezko or the missing 16 million from Obama’s health plan.

    The best way to ensure fair coverage by everyone is to make an example of MSNBC/NBC and hit them in the pocketbook. Deck ‘Em.

  163. Laura Ingraham also used it to make this statement on democratic party, which I completely agree with.

    “What does it tell you that a person with one year of senate experience is completely thrashing the most powerful political couple in the last 50 years and the only two-term democratic president since FDR and his wife in this primary?. It tells you that the democratic party is not a party of ideas.” She further said that the democrats are devoid of ideas and are more interested in cult of a personality than ideas.

  164. Okay when I said that I agree with her statement, I have to clarify that in this cycle a substantial number of democrats seem to be more interested in personality contests than issues and ideas. That is the portion that I agree with.

  165. Oh lord, I was just refreshing myself on Revelations 13 and it says right here, and I quote:

    Woe unto them that align themselves with the beast, for the will feel the invisible hands of corruption and influence runneth up their legs.

    Scary stuff, huh? 👿

  166. It tells you that Democrats have no sense and no loyalty.

    Their treatment of their presidents is a disgrace. That includes Jimmy Carter, who was seriously mistreated by the Congressional Dems as president. Not to mention their getting so freaked out about Hillary’s telling the truth about LBJ.

  167. Ok, Admin, I see your perspective…I’m sure Mandy Grunwald in negotiations and if another network steps up, I can’t see why Obama would balk…he’s already agreed to debating. that will definitely make example of NBC.

    And re: the “Open” primary in Wisconsin – as Ann said, let’s send info to local outlets, thecityedition article is great, send to local blogs, local press, and at least make the outcome suspicious.

  168. It tells you that Democrats have no sense and no loyalty.

    Which is why I no longer call myself a Democrat. I am now a self proclaimed Independent. Thankyouverymuch.

  169. Here’s some good news though, American Idol is finally into Hollywood week, so many of these culters can and probably will focus their attention there. 😉

  170. i’ve heard a little of laura ingraham and there’s a lot she says (ok 85-90% of it) that i strongly disagree with but she’s not wrong about the voters swooning over obama are more into a cult of personality than ideas. halperin said as much the other day too. i mean, these voters have got to be swayed by personality and media worship and vague speeches because when you get right down to the business facts his policy ideas are closer to the republicans (but he doesnt want voters to know that). or maybe lots of voters really don’t care.. shoot holes in case for universal healthcare? its ok if obama does that! have policy advisors from dlc who advocate freemarket solutions to all problems? its ok for obama! support killer issues like drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants and meeting foreign dictators first year in office with no preconditions? no problem, that is silly to worry about because we just need to think of Hope(TM) and Change(TM).

  171. Oh, kids, face it’s over!

    Sad to say but the most liberal, least experienced candidate in the race will get the nomination. Obama has it locked. Untested he will move into the fall campaign and will probably have the same success against the Republicans. We are all the victims of the Democratic Party’s racial and gender motivated strategies over the past several decades. Oh, and the Democratic Party’s romance with big media certainly helped to establish Obama and to defeat Hillary. I suppose it’s simply more PC to be for the black man than for the white woman.

    HRC has lost. She has lost despite her experience, her history and her willingness to put forth a populist platform intended to please and connect her to voters.

    It’s pretty amazing or is it? Lip service is paid to feminism, women control the Democratic Party, yet they could not get traction. This despite the fact that the female candidate was the wife of the most popular Democratic president in recent history!

    I think the ladies ought to stay home in November — they and the Christian Right can sit this one out. In Congress they call it a pair. Why contribute to self-destruction?

  172. Pete, eat this and weep…

    Ohio = Hillary +17
    Texas = Hillary +10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5
    Delegates = Hillary +114

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  173. another reader,

    What you mean, I don’t know anything? I don’t get your point? What will happend when the numbers come in from WI? A most liberal Democratic state — they gave us Paul Wellstone! I think you have to face facts sometimes. Barrack will set the aprty back 20 years — hasn’t he already done so?

  174. Afternoon all!
    ra1029, This primary season has opened my eyes as to why the dems have lost so many of these presidential elections. Collectively, they have NO political skill or instincts! I mean who in their right mind would strip 2 of the biggest swing states in the union of their delegates? Notice the republicans did no such thing. I believe McCain will have a leg up on us in MI & FL because he campaigned in both those states during the primary. Secondly, why hasn’t anyone at the DNC fixed the proportional primary nonsense. And of course the repubs have winner take all. I use to wonder how the dems ended up with such horrible nominees- Mcgovern, Dukakis, Mondale, Kerry. Now I know.

  175. PeteKent,

    Paul Wellstone is from Minnesota (not Missouri), if I am not mistaken. You could be talking about Russ Feingold.

  176. Kaffeen,

    Is it coffee you are drinking or Kool Aid? We had poll numbers like those elsewehere and saw them reversed. In 2 person races in both VA and MD Hillary could not get over 40%. The demographics are terrible. Watch OH, PA and TX go for Mc Cain once the story gets out on BO. But right now his siren song of hope has dashed HRC’s campagin on the rocks.

  177. Pete, eat this and weep…

    Ohio = Hillary +17
    Texas = Hillary +10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5
    Delegates = Hillary +114
    Florida = Hillary
    Michigan = Hillary
    Super-Delegates = Hillary

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  178. clintondem99 Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    I always hope that we are, as a group, better than that…

  179. No Obamalot here! LOL Much more of a lunch bucket type. Sorry about the Wellstone mistake — the point is the same. The more liberal and white the state the worse Hillary does. The Democratic Party has been captured by the extreme left.

  180. kerry margin over bush in wisconsin = abt 10K votes out of about 2.9 million cast. this is not massachusetts we are talking about.

  181. YEAH CLINTONDEM, JIM JONES DOES NOT HAVE NOTHIN ON BAWAK. THESE GUYS ARE PUSHING ME FURTHUR TO MCCAIN IF HILLARY DOES NOT MAKE IT.

  182. Can we please stay away from cursing each other? We all support the same person despite having different reasoning to do so. We all are disappointed to some extent with what has happened so far despite coming at it with different logic from others. Different people express their disappoint or anxieties in different ways.

    Can we all respect that and stay away from cussing each other?

  183. These are recent polls and/or results listed *today*. With Hillary and Obambi the only polling question.

    Ohio = Hillary +17
    Texas = Hillary +10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5
    Delegates = Hillary +114

    Then, we have these (eventually)…

    Florida = Hillary
    Michigan = Hillary
    Super-Delegates = Hillary

    And, perhaps, if the little birds are singing true…

    Edwards = Hillary + 26 delegates

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  184. but i dont get what you are arguing really. hillary won mass. because of lunch bucket, working class voters in rural parts, worchester, fall river etc. lots of those in wisconsin (inc a lot of my relatives!)

  185. PeteKent-

    Welcome to Hillary is 44, a Hillary support site that is an oasis away from the current Big Media narrative and the Obama-Nation. You are not being realistic, you are being pessimistic in the extreme. As this is a site for those who think Hillary will be the nominee and the 44th president of the United States and you believe otherwise, unless you are trolling for responses, your views will rightfully be subject to the highest degree of contention. There are, I am sure, sites for losers and doomsayers. Good luck…

  186. I think Hillary is the underdog, but I don’t think its over, but its 65/35 favoring him now, so Hillary HAS to win big in OH/TX/PA, a Wisconsin win couldnt hurt either. It will come down to who has most pledged delegates, and thats not going to be HIllary…

  187. let me amend that. She can and WILL! come close on pledged delegate cound, manage a MI/FL solution that favors her, and keep S.D lead. That leads to her nomination… At the same time, anything but a convincing win in TX/OH/PA is likely the beggining of the end, but i think it will happen for us!

  188. if she can win WI, then she will march to convincing win in TX and OH and then nominee. WI is very important.

  189. Rigso, it is fuzzy math to think she needs a “big” win in TX/OH/PA. A win points of any kind would be sufficient. Right now, according to the polls, she has pretty big leads anyway…

    Ohio = Hillary +17
    Texas = Hillary +10
    Rhode Island = Hillary +8
    Pennsylvania = Hillary +20
    National = Hillary +5
    Delegates = Hillary +114
    Florida = Hillary
    Michigan = Hillary
    Super-Delegates = Hillary

    March = March to the White House. Go Hillary!

  190. meiyingsu,
    I’ve been trying to find polling out of WI but its been tough. There was an ARG poll (I know its freaking ARG) that had Hill up but that’s old. There’s a new strategic vision poll (RCP poll tracker) that has them basically tied. That’s all I’ve been able to find.

  191. we don’t need some weak knee leftist nutkook obamabot coming here trying to drepress our blog. go to daily kooks, huffington bust, and obamanation cult blog for that garbage.

  192. rigso, Here are the numbers:

    Candidate Delegates
    (AP) Super
    delegates Total
    Obama 1052 142 1192
    Clinton 949 232 1181
    Edwards 12 — 12
    Unknown-IA 14 — 14
    Undeclared 0 344 344

    Including Florida and MI

    Candidate Delegates Super
    delegates Total
    Clinton 1127 245 1372
    Obama 1119 141 1260
    Edwards 25 — 25
    Unknown-IA 14 — 14
    Uncommitted 55 — 55
    Undeclared 0 391 391
    Updated 2/13/2008 Delegates Needed: 2207

  193. everyone, please telephone wisconsin.

    and hillary, please visit hawaii. kucinich visited hawaii in 2004, and he won their caucus.

  194. When we embarked on this journey, you and I promised each other we’d stick together through every point and every moment of opportunity. That’s what we’ve got to do — right here, right now.

    Are you with me?

    Let’s get it done,

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

    P.S. Remember, no matter how many times they try to count us out, you and I will keep counting on each other to help drive our campaign to victory in the weeks ahead.

    ===

    Looks like Maggie is already having an impact . . . this is the best e-mail appeal she has ever sent and I love her last two lines at the end.

  195. Dear Hillary,

    Please pull this out. I hate my friggin brother because he is a bone head and can’t think with anything but the head between his legs.

    Please, Hillary…deck ’em so I don’t have to deck HIM.

    I find it is definitely a gender thing. Some men loathe the idea that By God! there is a woman out there with damn good ideas and brains.

    Fcuk him and callous mean men.

  196. I got an email from Howard Dean and I just unsubscribed from their mailing list and they asked for a reason why and I gave it to them.

  197. If Obambi can’t win any state that has the democratic electoratal votes in the GE, does anyone really believe that any super delegate is going to back him? I think not. Super delegates are probably going to decide this thing, and that my friends, is the end of Obambi’s Koolaid Kampaign.

  198. Frances..Can you leave an e-mail addy here for me to contact you..

    It’s a go for the sequestered site!

    Mrs. S.

  199. well here is the delegate math (PLedged ony)
    Today: HRC 965 BHO: 1101

    Rest of Feb: HI 20 WI 74
    Overall id say 45 to HRC 49 to BHO

    Leaving them at HRC: 1010 BHO:1150

    Rest of March: OH(141) R.I(21) TX(193) VT(15) WY(12) MISS(33)

    Giving HIllary a 60%win in OH and a 55% win in TX, and a win in R.I, the rest go slighlty for Obama

    As of End Of March: HRC 1240 BHO: 1335 BHO+95

    then comes April/May/June-
    PA/Guam/Ind/N.C/W.V/KY/OR/PR/MT/S.D = 516 delegates
    Giving PA to Hillary 60% and remainder slighlty to Hillary

    for convention: HRC: 1543 BHO: 1548 BHO +5

    This looks good as we can catch up on pledged delegates, insert FL/MI solution, we come out on top. Insert S.D’s, who knows how the rest will crack. BUT that small delegate difference by convention depends on Hillary’s campaign doing some important message retooling, getting serious about organization in TX/OH/PA and by winning overall after PA. So who knows, it’s still up in the air, but Hillary’s chance at pledged delegate lead is slim.

  200. Wouldn’t that be awesome if we won Hawaii? I would laugh my a** off. Pulchritude is right, maybe HRC should stop out in Honolulu or anywhere out there and hold a rally with Senator Inouye. Also, Wisconsin is a tough uphill battle for us. It is near Illinois, it is a place we are behind in ground troops in that we were late to the scene, but I hope this commercial has widespread play in Wisconsin. I hope it plays in the rural north, the college towns in the south, and along Lake Michigan from Green Bay to Milwaukee.

  201. PeteKent Says: No Obamalot here! LOL Much more of a lunch bucket type. …. The more liberal and white the state the worse Hillary does. The Democratic Party has been captured by the extreme left.

    On a quick read, I think the main thing wrong with your original post was the verb tenses: instead of “Hillary has lost” it should be “If Hillary loses.” Then it might be a good piece to send to the undecided superdelegates, the DNC, etc.

    The fact is that Hillary has a very good chance to win the nomination.

  202. That’s why he won’t debate her in WI, because he’s afraid of her tripping him up and making him look bad.
    She needs good ground organization in WI.

  203. Hillary needs to get the biggest, the baddest and loudest precinct captains she and Patty can find for that part of the Texas delegate hunt. Shout down the moonies and send them packing!!

  204. mmk, I’m a huge fan of this website and an avid reader. i just made my very first two calls for the campaign, and one woman was really rude to me and hung up, so I was wondering if you all had some tips for me (and also getting over the whole nervousness thing)…

    oh yeah, and HILLARY ’08!

  205. well of course, the delegate split was split along % of vote, which we know isnt always the case, it depends on districts, but i read a piece that even with weird system, the delegate split is usually within 2% points of vote split…

  206. Hillary protesters dogging Obama on the campaign trail with signs about his ducking the debates. I love it. We need to do the same the Dean about FL and MI, maybe organize a march on DNC HQ.

  207. yes, but i expect caucus delegates to go along as expected, if anything I’d hope HRC is working to gain some, behind the scenes, but I don’t think a big shift will happen there.

  208. Hill…..I usually modify the “script” so that it sounds natural to me. It seems a bit canned if you use it “out of the box”. I always make a point to say “How are you today” after introducing myself. I find that gives me some conversation with them and I can offer them a few nuggets for a minute of their time. It won’t work all the time, but I have far fewer hang ups than people who are willing to listen.

  209. rjk, good. I hope they force him to debate. Also, on the DNC thing, we should totally do it. I have no way to get to DC until May, but it is a good idea. We need those delegates from MI & FL now.

  210. Rigso, the point is, you can’t count on caucus delegates. They are non-binding. They can change their position if the wind blows stronger one day to the next. The “vote” (which is bogus anyway, a caucus disenfranchises voters), is only a “snapshot” of the support that particular day. Check back in November 🙂

  211. nice article texan4hillary – I like the “get real about the future” sounds like Maggie Williams already.

    HILLBOY – just keep going and practice your speech – you will get hangsup – and you do your best to keep them on the phone and be AS NICE as possible; always make a good impression as you’re representing her campaign.

    On the phone – I tend to not ask them “how are you doing” because it’s too open, and they may hang up – I’ll say, “I’m calling to remind you that the primary is on Feb 19” and are you planning to vote? then, I dive in with the speil.

  212. Ininla, the how are you works good for me, it depends on how you use it I suppose. Mileage may vary. The point Hillboy, is make it natural and what works for *you*. 🙂

  213. Got this from Taylor’s site:

    On a media call this morning, Guy Cecil said the Clinton campaign is redoubling their efforts, including hiring staff in Wyoming, Kentucky and all the states going forward in the primaries, including in Puerto Rico, whose caucus happens in June. At the end of the March 4th primary, Cecil believes the delegate count could bring Clinton within 25, both pledged and unpledged delegates. No distinctions will be made, including elected officials.

    MSNBC debate in Ohio is on. They have concerns about that network, but they shouldn’t stand in the way of seeing a debate that’s important to the voters. Clinton is very much looking forward to it.

    The new message is clear: Clinton is in the 21st century solutions business; Obama is in the promises business.

  214. rigso Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    well here is the delegate math (PLedged ony)
    Today: HRC 965 BHO: 1101

    I don’t put much stock in ANYONE’s delegate count, as there are as many different counts as there are counters, but The New York Times is the one I am the lest skeptical of. You don’t cite your source(s) and extrapolate the rest of your calculations using them as your base.

    We MUST win Texas and Ohio, whatever number you choose to tout. The contest will extend into the Spring, whichever delegate count you choose to promote. No one can predict the future (ask old McCain; From front-runner to DEAD, to presumptive nominee.) least of all anyone HERE. There is so much that can and will happen, inside and outside the daily concerns of the campaign. The one thing that is certain is that no one has secured the nomination as i write this and no one will have secured the nomination by this time NEXT MONTH. We are in a fight and while we have lost the last few rounds, we are still ahead on the judges scorecards, if you choose the right judge and scorecard…

    …Use the NYT…

    politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html

  215. i agree the realist. she has to win texas,pa, and ohio. im realistic to agree to that. let’s make it happen.

  216. Here’s what I do wrt phone banking… I read and read and re-read the script until I have it down. Then, I call , but don’t recite the script verbatim. People are more likely to talk to you if they feel you are being real, so I keep it real. I ALWAYS ask if they have a few minutes of their time they can give me, AND I try to keep things short. Unless, of course, they tell me they are undecided. The I ask if I can share a few of the candidates differences with them. I keep that short and hit the most important points, then I ask them to come visit us at hillaryclinton.com.

    Works like a charm most of the time. Yes, I get hangups sometimes. I don’t take it personally, just move on to the next number.

  217. Got this on Taylor’s site in the comments section:

    Can I just throw this out there:

    How about a smiling, optimistic Bill Clinton surprises everyone by showing up suddenly in Hawaii from Sunday through Tuesday in a massive town hall/media blitz/caucus education seminar that the other campaign won’t be prepared for?

    Wisconsin and Hawaii go to Hillary. Everything changes.

    Boy would I love to see her win Hawaii and shove it in Obama’s face. With the large Asian population there it may be doable.

  218. rjk1957 Says: Hillary needs to get the biggest, the baddest and loudest precinct captains she and Patty can find for that part of the Texas delegate hunt.

    RIGHT!! And instead of just telling voters to come to the caucus, tell them to meet you in a cafe nearby and you’ll hand out buttons and signs and we’ll all walk in TOGETHER. And if there are any arguments, the baddest and loudest will be right there to take care of it!

    That would make ALL the difference to us shy little old ladies who have never caucused before.

    Even if you can’t find bad and loud for every precinct, at least have SOMEONE who knows the ropes whom we can join up with before we walk in. Or give us the cell phone number of someone who will be right there in the building and can come right over if we need help. — Just give us the feeling we won’t have to deal with confusion and bullies OURSELVES.

  219. I hope this doesn’t sound stupid but why isn’t there some sort of official delegate count from the DNC or some real guidelines about what to count or not to count?

  220. i agree, there are diff delegate counts out there, and i still think Hillary can win this thing, but pledged delegates lead will be tough to overcome, but the post by Tareli is what im talking about!!! Fighting in every state will lead us there! we need all the delegates we can get, no more allowing 20 point wins for Obama

  221. thanks you guys. i was definitely not uber-comfortable with the script and stuff. Other than that, I really love the work you guys do here, and it definitely has helped me over the past few months on Hillary’s facebook groups in mobilizing against paultards and obamatons who just don’t seem to get what the word “spam” means.

  222. Great suggestions, 1950. If I could afford the airfare, I’d accompany all the caucus goers with my big bad mouth. 😉

  223. hawaii is possible, i believe wehre is the effort there? HRC/Bill/Chelsea anyone going there? hillary should hold one huge rally there, with the Senator that backs her, she can win it! It will be a media narrative since Obama lived there! I hope they are considering it.

  224. next money bomb is Friday now?

    Hope everyone will send Hillary’s staff a great Valentine greeting tomorrow.

    She is fighting so hard and I really feel that something is going to swing for her…women should be really getting fighting mad right now…in droves. Our chance for a great woman leader is NOW…this will not come our way again in a VERY, VERY long time.

    I’m doing everything I can think of to do..emails, phone calls, arguments with family members to sway them.

  225. Me too idunn. I got into a very nasty personal slanderous exchange with my obambi precinct captain in iowa city. Ugh.

  226. Hawaii is waiting on Clinton’s schedule – I’m hoping too that they campaign there – if anyone knows any Japanese speakers (for Hillary), let me know because they will be useful for calling Hawaii. plus, anyone who knows celebs, semi-celebs from Hawaii also – they tend to be very impressed with that – lots of former Miss Hawaii’s are now in politics.

  227. check out tm-hillary is going ground game in wi, puerto rico, mt, wy, , etc.. hiring in ky. they admit they cannot skip any state gotv wise ever again. they admit they can leave no caucus uncontested. so it appears they get it-its gotv time

  228. Me too idunn. I got into a very nasty personal slanderous exchange with my obambi precinct captain in iowa city. Ugh.

    LOL! I got into it with one at Walmart and my hubby had to drag me outside. She remarked on my T-shirt and I was off and running. 😉

  229. Ghttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/02/the_democratic_race_moving_for.htmlood column here on why Hillary will win!!

  230. Food for thought from the campaign web site….

    In 1992, Bill Clinton lost a string of primaries before clinching the nomination. He ceded Iowa, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maryland, Arizona, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, Vermont and South Dakota. Similarly, in 1984, Walter Mondale also lost a series of major primaries before winning the nomination, including New Hampshire, Vermont, Florida, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Indiana, Virginia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Colorado, Ohio, and California.

    And in 1976, Jimmy Carter lost twenty-three states before winning the nomination, including: Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, West Virginia, South Carolina, Alabama, Illinois, Mississippi, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Nevada, California, Arizona, Alaska, Hawaii, and Utah.

  231. I am so discouraged about posting here 🙁 I just can’t seem to get my comments to submit. And there is a fantastic column about the myth of Obama momentum at RealClear Politics. I am not enclosing the url as maybe that is what is causing my comments not to post.

  232. I feel good today. It feels like a new campaign. She has resources, time and most of all she’s been able to see how the opponent has been working the system and she can adjust. I’m even optmistic about the caucuses – she knows she got trounced and now she knows she has to up her game. There is NO excuse for a 70-30 showing in any caucus from here on out. The underdog role suits her.

  233. Official delegate counts are not official until the State Party says they are and many hold state conventions before certifying them and submitting them to the DNC credentials committee. God, I am sounding like a freaking bureaucrat.

  234. So she’s doing the debate in Ohio after all. That’s great, she’ll bring out the big guns and wipe the floor with Obama. Bring it on!

  235. Ann,
    Good to know. It’s never fun when your candiate loses, but we’ve all got to remember HRC isn’t the first to lose, even badly, some primaries on the way to the nomination.

  236. The article I wanted to post here is at RealClearPolitics site and it is by Jay Cost. Title is “Obama is Not Inevitable.” And he’s got the numbers and the analysis to prove it. The so called shift in women being a little down for Hillary and white men up for Obama is in an area where the median income is over $100,000. Those have always been Obama’s folks. Please read the article. You will click your heels afterwards. We are in a fight. But we are gonna win.

  237. Idunn Says: Great suggestions, 1950. If I could afford the airfare, I’d accompany all the caucus goers with my big bad mouth.

    :-))) We little old ladies would rather pay your airfare than walk in alone. 🙂 Especially the Asians and probabaly some Latinos.

    Even just the cell phone number of someone in the building to call if needed, would be a big encouragement! I had none of that support but charged in anyway, with a big pink ribbon on my head, and made an idiot of myself, because there WEREN’T any bullies and not much confusion (75%/25% for Obama but they were nice local middleaged people). Maybe we were too far away from the U. of Koolaid. But if I’d felt like I could connect with knowledeable trouble-shooting pro-Hillary support if necessary, I might have brought other LOL (little old ladies).

    I think this could be VERY important in Hawaii. Mellow Asian and Pacific cultures tend to avoid confrontations, preferring to do things quietly behind the scenes.

  238. Nikki22, the best delegate count is here:

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/

    Includes Michigan and Florida

    Candidate Delegates Super delegates Total
    Clinton 1127 245 1372
    Obama 1119 141 1260
    Edwards 25 — 25
    Unknown-IA 14 — 14
    Uncommitted 55 — 55
    Undeclared 0 391 391

    Updated 2/13/2008 Delegates Needed: 2207

  239. idunn, that’s funny 🙂

    This girl, their precinct captain, a spoiled rich girl from chicago my age, came over, and got frustrated that our people weren’t budging. I told her that we would never go to obama if we have to move, she yelled “You’re not even viable anyway!”, and then when she turned to her friend, I heard the word fag, and I flipped shit. I said, “excuse me honey!? First off, you’re only viable because ya bussed in kids from Chicago, and secondly don’t be such a b**** if you want to get anywhere in politics. And lose some weight.” It was a heated exchange to say the least.

  240. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5538336.html

    I just read Taylor’s new blog and I tell you, this is what I like to see…they have started to effectively turn the page on last night.

    Obviously, somebody is listening in the campaign. She cannot continue to attack George Bush when her immediate opponent is Obama.

    I am so happy to see her start to hit him hard about his ‘rhetoric’ and promises with no specifics.

    Tentatively, I think with McCain now going after him and right wing talk radio training their guns on him, hopefully, this 3wk breather will give her time for people to really question why they are voting for him.

    Regarding the article above, at the bottom they mentioned that they are trying to get a rally for 50k. If they can even get 20k, that would be huge. This is what is getting him free publicity. I’m sure many of the people attending his rallies are doing it because they see so many others there and don’t want to ‘miss’ out on anything.

    Last night was fantastic! 12k is the largest crowd I have seen anywhere for her.

    Debate Ad

    Brilliant! Now, all they need is to have a person dressed up in a chicken suit to follow him.

    It looks like someone is taking Mark Halperin’s of http://www.time.com advice.
    tiburones | 02.13.2008 – 2:24 pm | #

  241. Kaffeen:

    It’s good that you are posting the polls for OH, Tx, RI and PA. I just would like to give you a gentle reminder that as those contests comes neigh, expect those leads to shrink.

    In fact, the first test will be to see how much of a bump he gets by this weekend and after the results of WI on Tuesday.

    The key for Hillary is to fight, continue fighting, stay engaged and keep those poll numbers up.
    I’m glad to hear that she will be in WI Sat throught Tues. The big dawg will be at 3 events there today. I think that Bambi is there also.

    She has one busy scchedule ahead of her.
    I will be calling WI everyday beginning Thur for 1 hr and 2 hrs this weekend.

    Call guys.

    Also, her site is saying $13m so keep donating and encouraging others. Over 135k donors- that’s a good sign.

  242. I gotta be honest with you all… saturday morning I went to confirm my caucus site online, but the wa-dems caucus finder was overloaded. They redirected you to a bunch of different sites, including Obamas. I tried all the other ones first and they were wiggy too, so I sucked it up and went to O’s site. Not only did my caucus location come up, but so did a map, a link to directions and some numbers of volunteers I could call. Hill’s site had nothing.

  243. http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5949.
    Sen. Obama is scheduled to deliver a “major economic address” today in Wisconsin. It appears from excerpts released in advanced that the only new proposal from Sen. Obama is an “infrastructure bank.”

    This was proposed by Hillary in August, when she also co-sponsored legislation to create the infrastructure bank:

    And I’m proud to co-sponsor Senator Dodd and Senator Hagel’s National Infrastructure Bank Act that we just introduced to establish a federally-backed independent bank that will evaluate and finance large infrastructure projects by subsidies, loan guarantees, and bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. [Rebuilding America speech, 8/8/07; S. 1926, 8/1/07]

  244. That article has some fantastic insight into what happened in the Potomac Primaries..this will not be lost on the superdelegates either.

    How can we frame this in a nice answer when someone spews that she is losing women…the demographics in those states did not play to her…but still we need to figure a way to get more women on board..

  245. facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5949.
    Sen. Obama is scheduled to deliver a “major economic address” today in Wisconsin. It appears from excerpts released in advanced that the only new proposal from Sen. Obama is an “infrastructure bank.”

    This was proposed by Hillary in August, when she also co-sponsored legislation to create the infrastructure bank:

    And I’m proud to co-sponsor Senator Dodd and Senator Hagel’s National Infrastructure Bank Act that we just introduced to establish a federally-backed independent bank that will evaluate and finance large infrastructure projects by subsidies, loan guarantees, and bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. [Rebuilding America speech, 8/8/07; S. 1926, 8/1/07]

  246. Tiburones….I know the nature of polling, but there are so many fantastic positives out there right now that I like to gently (or not so gently) remind people of them.

    It is good for morale and keeps us focused on the *important* things (or as the case may actually be, the important states).

    Most pollsters who are conducting the polls (administration), do not believe they will see much difference for Ohio and Texas in the coming weeks. Time will tell, but I think there is plenty to be positive about.

    Keep your eye on the prize. March = March to the White House! Go Hillary!

  247. Tiny Dancer, are you going to post more clips on you tube showing the war room movie? Thanks for the first clip you posted.

  248. Kaffeen:

    I hear you. I have no doubts that she will carry Tx. She really, really, needs to work at keeping OH. I have to tell you that I’m encuraged at all of the new changes/pivoting that her team is doing today.

    They’ve wratched up the ‘attacks’ , held him to the debate narrative, tweaked her speeches and are contesting every primary/caucus.

    Yes, u’re right, seeing those #s does tend to do the heart good.

    p.s Donna Bazille should be rescinded from CNN, she is a super delegate, she played a role in meting out the punishment to MI and FL and now she wants to decry the role of the SD! conflict of interest. Thee DNC and CNN should remove her from public commentary.

  249. Tiny Dancer Says: I gotta be honest with you all… saturday morning I went to confirm my caucus site online, but the wa-dems caucus finder was overloaded. They redirected you to a bunch of different sites, including Obamas. I tried all the other ones first and they were wiggy too, so I sucked it up and went to O’s site. Not only did my caucus location come up, but so did a map, a link to directions and some numbers of volunteers I could call.

    Sorry to report similar experience in WA. I got most of my caucus info from Obama sites or local news sites. The only Hillary volunteer coordinator I could find was 30 miles away and overworked.

    This isn’t negativity — this is GOOD news. We Have Room To Grow. 🙂

  250. Thanks aubry….I came up with that this morning and posted it with some recent poll numbers and related info. I think it succinctly puts this race in perspective and generates energy for the “real” deal. Keep your eyes on the prize. March = March to the White House! Go Hillary!

  251. My two cents on phonebanking. I use the script as a guide but rarely refer to it. I say “I am a volunteer for the campaign, and I am just calling to remind you that DATE is primary day, and I hope we can count on your support.” If they say absolutely yes or no, your job is done – thank them sincerely and move on.

    But when they say they are not sure, this is your opportunity, but here’s where I diverge from the talking points. The best way to really convince them it to simply ask them “what is the issue that really interests you” or “can you share with me some of the things you are undecided about”. That always gets THEM talking, and that is key.

    Rather than reciting the talking points, I usually just have a list of a few key words written down – maturity, good judgment, knows how Washington works, battle-tested. These will usually steer the conversation. If they say they still need to think it over, I tell them – “I can see you are giving this a lot of thought, and I want to thank you for talking with me.”

  252. Now, all they need is to have a person dressed up in a chicken suit to follow him.

    Aw, that would be a lot of trouble. Let’s just take toy chickens and ducks and wave them on sticks. Or cardboard figures. “Don’t duck debates!”

    “Yes, we–”
    “CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK — DUCK DUCK DUCK!”

  253. Tiburones, not sure why you doubt Ohio, we are up +17 there and have been for a very long time now. I am an “activate” caller. I’m calling Ohio tonight, gonna tell them to keep their eye on the prize.

  254. What’s worked for me is generally ad lib. I’ll say like, “Hillary is going to have a strong foreign policy that adhere’s to our americans values.” “She’s going to make sure all of our children have the tools they need to reach their potential”. Stuff like that.

  255. Great to see that Hillary is focusing attention on BHO’s lack of accomplishments and any track record of success. We all know Bush is a buffoon, but his comment about Obama the other day (“I like him, but I don’t know what he stands for”) is illuminating: it proves that the GOP is licking its chops at re-defining Obama as a guy who talks a lot, but never delivers. He is woefully lacking in the electability department. McCain would have a field day with him in the general.

  256. Good afternoon Hillfans. Been working my patootie off today to keep up with RezkoWatch tips and brainstorms.

    Awhile ago I had another one and wonder what we can/should do with it.

    All these superdelegates who have endorsed Bambi are only one degree of separation away from the Rezbama fiasco. Does that not make them liable for perpetrating a fraud upon the American public?

    It’s not only Bambi who’s ducking his responsiblities to the electorate. All of his enablers are as well.

  257. Linfar, the article you linked to by Jay Cost, has this which reiterates what we have been saying for so long:

    “if we understand the Democratic race as the mobilization of demographic groups – none of these losses should come as a surprise, including the states she lost by a large margin. Each of the seven post-Super Tuesday states played heavily to at least one of Obama’s several strengths.”

    We will repeat again, this race is about demographics and turnout operations. Endorsements don’t matter, momentum doesn’t matter, a lot of things don’t matter.

    What matters now, that can be influenced by us here, is work – work to turn out the vote. And of course, donations.

  258. Caroline – you’re welcome! I do plan on posting more of The War Room. Getting it from dvd to youtube is more complicated than I thought! I think I should be able to start posting clips tonight when I get home. I might just post the entire thing, its something every political junkie and Clintonista should watch.

  259. I agree that Wisconsin could be key. If we can stop the ‘mo’ there, we could win the big 3 that follow.

    A tie would do it. I hope that they pour workers into every precinct in WI. Just once out-organize the other side. Then have Hillary people in every precinct to keep the intimidation and aggression down.

    It’s but one week……everyone to WI – to every hamlet and village they have. Now they have the money — it’s time for a full court press.

  260. experience-matters-vote-hillary Says:
    Obama has stolen elections before see this article from Chicago:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,6422746,full.story

    Yes, and the local group that helped him knock ALL his opponents off the ballot in 1996 so he could run unopposed, this year has refused to endorse him. Search for “Alice Palmer” at politico.

    That’s been Obama’s pattern all along. Instead of putting his case to the voters in an honest way, he sneaks around behind the scenes gaming things so the voters don’t have a chance. Setting up the Las Vegas caucuses (though HIllary outsmarted him there!), cedeing the big states to pick up ’empty deletages’ from little red caucus states, planning “Dem for a Day” as far back as April 2007….

    Lord knows what dirty tricks he has in store for TX, Ohio, etc.

  261. My elderly aunt in NH just called me. Said she just wanted to encourage me to keep fighting. I told her I was posting here right now, and she asked me to pass this message on to everyone here:

    “Thank you guys for fighting the good fight! Don’t let that son of bitch win!”

    LOL…she’s a fiesty one, my Aunt Roberta.

  262. “I am in the solutions business. My opponent is in the promises business,” the senator said in McAllen, Texas. “It’s not the questions. It’s the answers. And the answers get right to the heart of who is ready on Day One to be the president and commander-in-chief of the United States.”

  263. B Merry, Per DivaBunny…

    committed SDs by state:

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

    UNcommitted SDs by state:

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegates-who-havent-endorsed.html

    table shows people’s vote v. SD endorsement:

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/do-superdelegates-vote-same-as-their.html

  264. This means that we have a list of more than 140 superdelegates who should be emailed with a link to RezkoWatch. I don’t think that I should be the one to do it. Any takers?

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

  265. it’s so nice to hear more and more of us GOTV and making calls – keeping busy, keeps anxiety away, and it helps her too!]

    rikya – yes, re: Filipinos in Hawaii – I’m working on trying to get a celeb, but there’s also a Samoan celeb too – Samoan vote might be good one to get.

  266. Blue Cross of California quickly halted its practice of asking doctors to report conditions it could use to cancel new patients’ medical coverage after a widespread wave of criticism.

    The move announced Tuesday by the state’s largest for-profit health insurer came after a report on the practice in the Los Angeles Times prompted an outcry from doctors, patients, the governor and even presidential candidates.

    Blue Cross said it would stop sending letters that asked doctors to immediately report “any condition not listed on the application that is discovered to be pre-existing.”

    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger called the letter “outrageous” and described the practice as asking doctors to “rat out the patients.”

    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said the Blue Cross effort was another “example of how insurance companies spend tens of billions of dollars a year figuring out how to avoid covering people with health insurance.”

    Blue Cross had for years been sending physicians copies of health insurance applications filled out by new patients, along with a letter telling the doctors that the company has a right to drop members who fail to disclose “material medical history,” including a pre-existing pregnancy.

    Blue Cross is one of several California insurers that have been criticized for issuing policies without checking applications and then canceling coverage after patients run up major medical costs. The practice of canceling coverage is under scrutiny by state regulators, lawmakers and the courts.

    “This letter was part of Blue Cross’ pattern of unfairly canceling policies when people need coverage most,” said Richard Frankenstein, president of the California Medical Association. “We’re relieved that Blue Cross is ending this particular tactic but continue to have serious concerns about this company’s practices.”

    WellPoint Inc., the Indianapolis-based company that operates Blue Cross of California, said it was sending out the letters in an effort to keep costs at a minimum and guard against fraud.

  267. I’d like to see one of the guys link Rezkowatch to those superdelegates. (mostly cause I’m lazy).

    C’mon gents….take one for the team!

  268. “Frankenstein, president of the California Medical Association….”

    Well, that’s scary and funny at the same time…

  269. Hell yeah idunn 🙂

    I can get nasty if someone is trashin my girl. I was the obama talking points person in the iowa city office 🙂

  270. Excerpt from ABC News…

    But if Democratic voters continue to be split on who is best to do that, the fight for the nomination appears poised to spill onto the floor of the party convention floor.

    For all the enthusiasm, momentum, money and state wins that Obama has under his belt, he has yet to fully sew up the Democratic nomination.

    Dowd said Clinton may be in a tough spot, but he argues the Obama campaign’s strategy of trying to urge Democrats to coalesce around his campaign isn’t working either.
    Full Coverage
    Candidate Bios, Pictures and Favorite Things

    “That’s been part of their problem, they get a lead, they do well and then all of a sudden they let the story get ahead of themselves,” Dowd said. “You can’t really convince people you’re the one if your victories haven’t done it.”

  271. I’ll tel you what, Hawk. If we can get B Merry to post a link to all the superdelegates pledge to Bambi, I’ll take 1/2 of them to send the Rezkowatch link to and you take the other 1/2. Sound fair?

  272. McCain is going to be our BFF isn’t he? They’re in a precarious situation over there on the right. Cult mentality is hard to break and they need to start hitting on Obama now if they want to break him down before November. He’s an easy target, but you can’t let the cult get TOO big. At the same time they can’t hit him too hard because it helps Hillary. Its an interesting dynamic.

  273. Good deal Hawk. Unfortunately, I can’t get B Merry’s link to work.

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

    Tried putting just the h t t p // in front of it but it didn’t work.

  274. Sounds good, Hawk (you devil you)

    I can’t get B Merry’s link to work though.

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

    I tried putting the http forward slash thing in front but it didn’t work. What am I doing wrong?

  275. Hawk did you get my email address? Its tinydancer44 @ gmail dot com. I just need yours so I can drop you a line. Its about PR and Denver et al.

  276. Okay, I just goggled demcomwatch and it took me to site, but I can’t find the names of Obama superdelegates there. 🙁

  277. Late back to the party but…I want to thank Peterkent for making me laugh harder than I have in a long time. Your cult sure is trying hard to make your point…signs of wear and tear…signs of desperation…but mostly signs of hot air and nothing else!

    Hillary all the way!

  278. Just heard on radio that James Carville said if Hillary loses either OH or TX her campaign is finished. That was probably taken out of context by none other than Sean Hannity. Not hearing James Carville say it, I don’t know if he had anything positive to say or not. My guess is he probably did.

    It doesn’t really matter since we expect her to win both of those states plus some others, including PA.

  279. Can someone explain to this Canadian whether there are still delegates to be had from California and New Mexico and will they add to Clinton’s total in a favorable way?

  280. Just posting to ask Mrs. S if she means me: “Frances..Can you leave an e-mail addy here for me to contact you..

    It’s a go for the sequestered site!

    Mrs. S.”

    –My email is frankFranchesca @ yahoo.com

    Remove the spaces before and after the @

    By the way, I’ve started a new blog

    http://uwimc.blogspot.com/

  281. And as for superdelegates being involved, with Donna Brazile threatening to quit the DNC if they play a role in selecting the nominee. Anyone remotely involved with screwing over Florida and Michigan should quit. It’s because of people like Brazile and others that we’re in this mess. Her other big screw up was Gore in Florida in 2000. Need I say more?

    Hear hear, TM!!!

  282. are any of the remaining contests winner take all? I heard yes onP.R, but then I head no contest in Dem race is winner take all, anyone know the answer?

  283. Sherm… I heard Carville say that.

    Sharpton:

    Seating delegates from Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention would be a grave injustice, the Rev. Al Sharpton said Wednesday in a break with prominent civil rights leaders.

    “I firmly believe that changing the rules now, and seating delegates from Florida and Michigan at this point would not only violate the Democratic Party’s rules of fairness, but also would be a grave injustice,” Sharpton said in a letter to Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean.

  284. Just posting to ask Mrs. S if she means me: “Frances..Can you leave an e-mail addy here for me to contact you..

    It’s a go for the sequestered site!

    Mrs. S.”

    –My email is frankFranchesca @ yahoo.com

    Remove the spaces before and after the @

    By the way, I’ve started a new blog, “Universe, where’s my country?” The spam filter won’t let me post the URL, so for anyone who wants to read it, go here http://www.geocities.com/frankFranchesca and see the link near the top.

    Keep at it,

    Fran

  285. About the Jay Cost article- I’ve wondered over the last few days if Hillary could have won any of these contests too. I don’t to want to be a homer for my candidate but looking at the demographics I just don’t see it. She probably could have reduced the margins w/ infrastructure & resources, but I don’t necessarily see wins in any of them. There’s Louisiana (black vote), MD(black vote, upperincome), WA(upper income dems), and Maine doesn’t strike me as Clinton Country. Maybe she could have pulled out Virginia but other than that I haven’t seen a state where she definitely should have won.

  286. I love the way Bambi is now having to respond to our taunts. Just read where Axlerod was being forced to defend 👿 refusing to debate in WI.

    Great job, Maggie!

  287. nikki22, when AA vote is 35% are more and they go 90% doe Obama he gets 32% right there. He needs to get 18% from other demographics to get over 50%. You are correct, with more resources may be you could bring him down by another 5% but he is going to win and it won’t affect the delegate total much. They are better off spending their resources elsewhere.

  288. To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude. ~ McCain on OBama

    Politics makes strange bedfellows, eh? McCain is teporarily a friend and an alli. LOL!

  289. Ann,
    LOL. It always makes me laugh when I hear how Bill Clinton had to struggle to get the democratic nomination. We’re talking about one of the best politicians of all time.

  290. Here’s one version of his response, TPS.

    blogs.wispolitics.com/election/2008/02/obama-response-to-clinton-ad.html

    LOL! Good to keep this a-hole on the ropes.

  291. This whole momentum thing is silly! Obama needs it, Hillary doesn’t.

    He needs it because he’s calling lemmings to pour over a cliff to him. She doesn’t need it, because she’s gathering fruits she’s been nuturing for 35 years!

    These yuppie and GOP caucus states just don’t HAVE her voters (or they can’t get to the caucus). When it comes to TX and and other big real Democrat states, she can pick up hers that are already waiting for her.

  292. I know MD is not a popular state today, but a nugget of good from my county (Washington) HRC won 52.5 to BHO 36.7 – we usually don’t vote the way the rest of the state does thank goodness. I was so proud to let my 5 year old daughter push the button for Hillary! She was so excited and asked me if she could run some day. Hope I live to see it! Keep the faith!!!!

  293. Fran,

    I went onto your new blog for a few minutes and hope to read more when I get home from work.

    Well done and very inciteful!

  294. mccain makes a very strong point and in more beautiful language as any of obama’s speeches. however i think he is not our ally! he is trying to focus only on obama as the opponent, raising obama’s profile because that’s the race mccain wants since he would win it easy. we cant let that happen

  295. How is getting your vote counted a grave injustice??? Isn’t that what Civil Rights activist like MLK and others were trying to do. To guarentee the right to vote and for that vote to count. Is Al Sharpton serious??

  296. TPS,
    Somebody posted yesterday that Hillary had basically won the same states Bill had and lost the very same ones.

  297. Thanks Ininla- I got a kick out of her last night – she asked me if you have to listen to what the President tells you. I told her depends on who it is and what they ask! She said when she becomes Pres. she will tell her Kgarten teacher to quit reading a certain book she doesn’t like! I about cracked up. She is so pro-Hillary, I’m hopin’ she doesn’t get in a fight in school! She sees me get fired up!!!!

  298. Weather in the DC, MD, VA was particularly bad (freezing rain, very cold, lots of traffic situations in the evening around the beltway where there is a large concentration of voters) — I don’t know what the turnout experts said but again goes to the demographics — those who easily can and those who want to no matter what.

  299. Article is done and am going to post a link over at Taylor Marsh in hot topics.

    Also, I had an email with a tip about a new Bambi SD — David Wilhelm, and will be posting about that shortly.

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/one-degree-of-separation-obamas.html

  300. As a former Wisconsinite, I am glad that Hillary is making Wisconsin competetive!!! I see a genuine opening here for her, just going by intuition alone. First many Wisconsinites have had to find second careers after the big breweries left Milwaukee. Milwaukee also lost its manufacturing base. Wisconsin has a “no nonsense” type of attitude and I can’t imagine them falling for a line of lofty idealism. Moreover, there are a lot of Catholics in Wisconsin, and Hillary seems to be doing quite well with Catholics.

    Madison will fall for Obama. But Madison is tiny compared to Milwaukee. Moreover, the industrialized cities of La Crosse, Eau Claire, Superior, etc. should bode well for Hillary. Finally, Wisconsinites have a strong sense of local pride. The fact that Obama is refusing to debate on Wisconsin soil wont sit well with Wisconsinites, imho.

    I was so excited when my current home state California voted for Hillary overwhelmingly. The icing on the cake will be to see my fellow CHEESEHEADS help make Hillary 44!!!

  301. love that story Jason – it’s nice to see the campaign affecting even the little ones, and I see this will be a formative time for your daughter. Next up, after the elections, you, us, women, all dads for hillary and your daughter go tell Chris Matthews to treat women equally.

  302. I want HIllary to debate on CNN not MSNBC. In N Ireland we only get (take deep breath) FOX and CNN. Yes, I take sanity pills daily, or guinness!! But it’s the only way I get to see her except you tube sadly. The Irish love her and Bill, I have had the pleasure of meeting President Clinton three times, they did so much for people here. She should talk about this experience. Obama has no experience in resolving long standing conflicts in other countries, wanker that he is!

    GO HILLARY!!

  303. found this from commentator on the NY Sun – and its interesting point about Ireland and how the peace process could apply to Iraq….campaign could make use of that info.

    had a bunch of links too to articles from UK newspapers: nysun.com/comments/54479

    Submitted by Rekha Varma, Jan 10, 2008 01:13

    Hillary’s independent contribution to N.Ireland peace process within the community

    Please can the someone from the US Press share this information with Americans, because they are completly unaware of the international role that Hillary played as 1 st lady, and the US Press is making no scincere effort to do any research, ridiculing her role in N.Ireland as just sipping tea with women & watching her husband negotiate with leaders. Hillary played an overlooked independent role in working with the community to achieve de facto peace, via creating opportunities for and encouraging Catholic & Protestant women & the young to unite over universal social issues that concerned them such as the safety of their families, the role of women in politics (causes that Hillary herself was passionate about) etc, Many feel that Hillary’s experience in N.Ireland would be useful in suggesting how the Iraqi government can work with the various divisions within the community to unite over shared concerns of their childrens future after the war ends. I’ve provided a list of primary sources below as evidence of her contribution to the N.Ireland peace process found via a simple google search:

  304. TPS,
    Somebody posted yesterday that Hillary had basically won the same states Bill had and lost the very same ones.

    Awwww….that’s so sweet lol.

  305. Pictures of Hillary in El Paso yesterday from El Paso Times. Enjoy!

    gallery.elpasotimes.com/photoweek/photosHillaryClinton021208/index2.shtml

  306. From the Campaign:

    Those covering Senator Obama’s economic speech in Wisconsin today could be forgiven if it felt like déjà vu all over again. Voters may ask themselves that if Senator Obama cannot produce his own ideas on the campaign trail, how will he solve new problems as President?

    Senator Obama’s only “new” ideas were ones that Senator Clinton proposed months ago:

    His “new” proposal for a national infrastructure bank is one that Hillary proposed August 8, 2007. [“I’m proud to co-sponsor Senator Dodd and Senator Hagel’s National Infrastructure Bank Act that we just introduced to establish a federally-backed independent bank that will evaluate and finance large infrastructure projects by subsidies, loan guarantees, and bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the United States.” Rebuilding America speech, 8/8/07; S. 1926, 8/1/07]

    His “new” proposal to create 5 million green collar jobs was proposed by Hillary on November 5, 2007. [“And three, to move us from a carbon-based economy to an efficient, green economy by unleashing a wave of private-sector innovation in clean energy and energy efficiency. I believe that will create at least five million good new jobs from clean energy over the next decade.” Energy and Climate speech, 11/5/07]

    Google CEO Eric Schmidt praises Hillary’s plan to create 5 million Green Collar jobs, 11/5/07: “By emphasizing the connection between promoting a green efficient economy and job creation, Senator Clinton’s plan seeks to harness the power of technology and innovation to address one of our most pressing global challenges…The goal of producing 5 million new jobs can be achieved by private sector investment and bipartisan support for increased research and development in efficiency and clean energy.”

    In addition, while Senator Obama was busy resuscitating Hillary’s policies, he failed to offer real solutions for the most pressing economic challenges that Americans families face. As Hillary explained this morning, “a plan that fails to provide universal health care, fails to address the housing crisis, and fails to immediately start creating good paying jobs in America again will not turn the economy around and provide the real relief that our people need. We need real results not more rhetoric.”

    ###

  307. jasonmalott Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
    ———-

    That’s really sweet. For me that’s the best part of this election — to get our daughters, young nieces to dream (When I graduated my first female student, my husband made the best comment — that he hoped they all became CEOs one day). But like Steinem said somehow the significance of this election is lost on the under 35 generation of women — they are in denial.

    BTW, I live in MD too. Where did you find the county by county results?

  308. pm, yes, dc metro weather was not just terrible but extremely dangerous. freezing rain picking up all day and by rush hour thin spots of ice everywhere, black ice on the highways, many brick sidewalks turned to sheets of ice. traffic jams all over because of so many accidents, normal commutes taking 2+ hours. i had to walk about ten blocks to my polling station in the evening and i was inching along sidewalks and/or walking in the road, very afraid i’d fall, if i were older voter and had to do that i would not risk it because it was that bad. in rural areas west they had unexpected amounts of snow plus some ice on top of that. i bet if a lot of suburban voters who drive were planning on evening voting they would not make it esp in nova where polls closed on time. who knows if that had any effect but definitely the worst weather i’ve been in on an election day

  309. hey! i was gone for a bit… but i’ve caught up with reading now…

    i can help out with emailing the SDs the rezco link.

    who do we want to email? imo… i think we should email it to ALL of the SDs. the bottom line is that the SDs can change their vote at any time. even if they’ve committed to hrc, they could switch.

    thoughts?

  310. hmmm, divabunny, i would defer to some of the veterans here and Admin – but my reaction is that you have to be very careful about the Rezko stuff and that it comes from anyone attached to a Hillary fan site – could backfire re:SDs.

    i think better to send it to local press and see if some would be willing to investigate and print the story – getting the buzz that will eventually reach the SDs…

  311. $13 million raised by Hillary in the first 12 days of the month: she has proved that she can match Obama in fundraising, if she turns up the heat. Great job, everyone! That is an awesome accomplishment, and we need to keep it up: ask your friends, family, and colleagues to donate $10.44!

  312. More vignettes from Clinton’s rally
    El Paso Times staff report
    Article Launched: 02/13/2008 12:15:03 AM MST

    State Sen. Eliot Shapleigh, D-El Paso, got the crowd started early and made it clear that the theme of the night would be the Hispanic vote.
    “Let’s show Hillary Clinton que somos familia (we are family),” he said.

    “Hillary will remember El Paso because this is what the future (of the

    country) looks like.”

    Rick Bolaños, an El Paso Vietnam War veteran, also spoke to the crowd in both Spanish and English.

    “Levantense mi gente y voten por Hillary Clinton (rise up my people and vote for Hillary Clinton),” he said. “Take your comadre, your mom, your uncle …

    take them all to vote.”

    U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-El Paso, didn’t fall behind and called Clinton the next “presidenta” of the United States, using the female version of the word president in Spanish.

    Clinton said she first came to El Paso about 35 years ago to help the National Democratic Party register people along the U.S.-Mexico border to vote.
    “We ate a lot of great food, visited wonderful people and listened to some great music,” she said of her first visit to El Paso. “We also got a lot of people registered to vote and now I’m asking the children of those people to vote for me.”

    Westsider Mike Charter stood near the front of the line to get into the Don Haskins Center on Tuesday afternoon, and was hopeful that the political fervor seen nationally will create record voter turnout.
    “It’s about time we have more people turn out for an election than American Idol,” he
    said.

    Many of those who waited in line and crowded in to see Hillary Clinton on Tuesday were primarily supportive of her for her potential status as the first female president of the United States.
    “I’m a feminist so I go for her because she’s female and I’m sure she’s going to be the best,” Eastsider Erika Martinez said.

    UTEP student Michelle Cervantes had a similar opinion.

    “I agree with what she has to offer,” she said. “It’s time to have a woman in office. It’s time to have a change and prove a woman can do it.”

    Screen printer Christy Chavarria opened up shop Tuesday afternoon, selling $10 T-shirts in support of Hillary Clinton to those waiting in line.
    She made about 100 of the “El Paso (heart) Hillary” T-shirts, which were quickly snapped up by those around her.

    “We wanted her (Clinton) to see that we have a lot of pride in El Paso,” Chavarria said. “I’m really surprised nobody went out and tried to push shirts in the stores.”

    Among the signs carried by El Pasoans supporting Hillary Clinton at Tuesday’s rally were the following: “Viva Hillary,” “Hillary’s taking care of business,” “Let a woman do a man’s job. Go Hillary,” “New Mexico for Hillary,” “Hillary for Texas,” “Si se puede Hillary,” “Latinos + Hillary = presidency,” “Hillary = Latino vote,” “Hillary, ’nuff said,” and “La Bowie for Hillary.”

  313. El Paso times blog on Hillary visit:

    “It’s 6:10 p.m. The mariachis just left the stage, and Texas state representative Eliot Shapleigh is now rallying the crowd.

    He just got a large scream from the crowd, when he said, “There’s a lot of woman power out there today!”

    Shapleigh just introduced the Bolanos brothers, part of the family who sent four brothers to Vietnam at the same time. Now Rick Bolanos is rallying the crowd. He’s almost as good a speaker as Shapleigh.

    “I saw Hillary on TV the other day with a tear in her eye,” Bolanos said. “And I saw in that tear, the same tears that my father shed because of his love for America. Hillary has that same love for America.”

    Bolanos just REALLY fired up the crowd by saying that Republicans will say you are not a patriot if you vote for a Democrat. He invited those Republicans to come down to El Paso and meet the Bolanos brothers.

    Bolanos ended his speech to loud cheers when he added that Republicans would also have you believe that a vote for a Democrat, is a “vote against Jesus.”

    “You tell those morons, when Jesus rode in, he rode in on a donkey, not a damn elephant!””

    elpasotimes.typepad.com/best/

  314. WI and TX are the main states HRC needs to focus on. And if she can do some work on HI right now, too, that would be good.

    She is going to win OH and PA. Of course, the larger the win the better.

    WI and TX are both open primaries, and with the GOP nominee all but picked, getting enough votes to keep out the GOP and GOP-leaning Indy meddlers is, I think, the main concern right now.

    I have run the numbers. With FLA and MI delegates counted (and giving Barry the benefit of all the ‘uncommitted’ MI delegates – 55) the race is about 10 delegates either way from being a tie. Now is the time to push for us HRC supporters.

    Maggie Williams said that the campaign will now be looking to take advantage of volunteers as much as possible, something which it was not doing before.

    This is all of our chance to help HRC win that nomination. Now is the time to donate and volunteer, in whatever capacity each of us is able. From emailing the DNC to seat the FLA & MI delegates to donating $10 to doing phonebanking, every little bit will help HRC win.

    The Obamanauts are now in a victory lap, with their guy assuming the role of frontrunner.

    It’s time to put another, much larger “New Hampshire” on their arrogant asses.

    Let’s do this!

  315. OMG. I think Idunn has been over at ABCnews.com. 😆

    I was reading an article on Edwards and his possible upcoming endorsement of Hillary when I saw in the comments box a current comment reading, “Obama is a cult leader, and the ANTI-CHRIST.”

    LMAO.

  316. @lninla: i’ll totally do whatever admin/the vets think is best.

    i know that i have the capability of being a bit “zealous”… it is amazing to me that msm refuses to cover the story! can you imagine if we didnt have the internet??? no one would ever know. media control is baffling.

  317. What’s everyone’s opinion re: possible Edward’s endorsement? likely? how helpful? how hurtful if it goes the other way?

  318. Idunn, cheers, I was born in the USA and have dual citizenship. I grew up in America and moved to Ireland 13 years ago to live. But you are so right. Americans have no real idea how much the rest of the world watches what happens. None more than the Irish. What America does, or does not do, effects other countries, that is why people worry. I am at a total loss as to what has happened to the American media. I remember when I voted for Gore and my vote was not counted in Florida. People here were saying Bush would get away with it. I told them “no way” That will never happen in America. I said, ” you watch the press will get to the bottom of this!” Sadly I was proven to be wrong. I was amazed. And whilst I never thought I would ever see that happen, I certainly NEVER thought it would EVER happen again and by my own political party!! My Mum lives in Florida still and she voted for Hillary, she is in her 70’s and retired. In all my years i’ve never seen her so angry. She immediately began donating to Hillarys campaign every time she gets any money. She got a letter form Hillarys campaign thanking her and she was so chuffed she sent it to me LOL:) Anyhow. I am mortified at the media’s lack of looking into Obama. Lots of wee dirty secrets to find. When the love fest is over and McCain attacks him then what? Scares me to death! Hillary simply has to win as I cannot imagine it any other way. All the best:)

  319. commentor on taylormarsh had this interesting boston globe article: boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/12/bay_state_voters_know_their_limits/

    Bay State Voters Know Their Limits

    WASHINGTON – In 2006, Deval Patrick ran for governor of Massachusetts on what his consultant, David Axelrod, called “the politics of aspiration.” Patrick talked about hope – a lot. And when people said they were just words, he quoted the Declaration of Independence to upbraid those who think words don’t matter. He told voters “Yes, we can,” and later, more broadly, “Together, we can.”

    These words had a lot of power, as it turned out, propelling Patrick to a landslide. They echoed words that had been used by Barack Obama – also advised by Axelrod – in his record-setting Senate race in Illinois in 2004.

    Last week, many voters in Massachusetts heard some of those words again at a massive rally for Obama’s presidential campaign, joined by Patrick and the state’s two senators, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. But the next day, the people of Massachusetts went out and voted for the candidate of experience.

    While voters in much of the country were becoming enthralled by Obama, who continues to gain momentum, Massachusetts voters struck a discordant note. Hillary Clinton beat Obama by 15 points in the Bay State, almost as big a margin as in New York, which she has represented in the Senate for seven years.

  320. DivaBunny, Hawk and I were going to split the list of sd’s to send links too. B Merry is going to provide a list for us. If you want to help out, we’ll split it 3 ways.

    Ininla, I’m in no way shape or form affliated with HRC campaign (although, I support her in various ways to help out). I simply planned on providing the link and saying that at a dem. I was concerned about this info.

    If anyone, Admin. , or whoever thinks we shouldn’t go for it, I’m open to hearing comments against it.

  321. If the cancellation of Obamas visit to the Edwards means anything then he should support Hillary. Also her health care plan is more like his. I thought what she said in her speech a few days ago was telling. She mentioned Edwards a few times and said if she were elected he’d be “involved”. anyone remember that wee comment? Perhaps he has decided to support her but is either waiting to get media attention just before the Texas and Ohio primaries or if he’s a chicken shite he might be waiting to see if she wins them first. I just hope Al Gore stays quiet and out of things. Im sure obamas minions are all over him
    cheers

  322. I will say this though, if we are going to do it, we need to agree on the email comments we will ALL make, and agree that they are suitable.

  323. B Merry have you thought about sending your Rezko link to Bill O’Reilly at Fox? I know he did air a piece about Obama’s church. He’s been very fair regarding Hillary and he may do a piece on the Rezko fiasco so at least it will get out there for people to see. Also maybe send something to Hannity and Colmes. Alan Colmes is a Hillary supporter, he always defends her on the show. Just a thought.

  324. Ann, the endorsement can be a helpful if he campaigns on her behalf and points out that Obama doesn’t have an universal health care plan.

  325. IDUNN

    Are you emailing superdelegates? I work form home, although I am not currently in the USA and we are 5 hours ahead of the US east coast, but I can still email!!!! And I am a registered voter!!!! If there is anything I can do to help, or help anyone else with anything online, just say the word and i’m there! It was like a giant cyberhug to have found this website today, really feel isolated in Ireland during this election:) Want to do whatever I can to help her win win win!!! If I can help just let me know
    cheers

  326. I’d rather not keep talking about the sd thing here, so here’s the deal. The list of SD’s is posted on

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/

    If anyone feels the call to share this info with SD’s they are free to do so. 😉

  327. About the MD county by county results — she did as well as could be expected given the demographics (won 8 counties). In one county they both have 47% (Harford county) and he is shown ahead. She came within 1-3% in three other counties.

  328. Idunn, B Merry… Did you consider that it might be counter productive to send these links to SD? Would it fit into the campaign’s strategy to secure the endorsements of SDs? Some of them might react negatively don’t you think?

  329. @rjk1957: i seriously can not even watch the news today. it is making me sick.

    @idunn, lninla bmerry, hawk, whoever… feel free to email me regarding the list, the language and whatever else @ divabunnyATemail DOTcom

    just let me know… i’m at home so i can email whoever, whatever.

  330. I’ve been getting numerous “Is Hillary finished”? ads in my yahoo email. The homepage talks about her campaign “wobbling.” That they’re pounding her so hard only makes me think they’re afraid she’s going to do really well soon and are trying to prevent that happening. They’re really pathetic.

  331. Well ClintonDem, the list is posted in a public forum so ANYONE can respond to it. For all I know, an Edwards supporter might respond to it, you know? Or a freaked out republican or an independent voter for that matter.

    It’s up to the poster of that site to decide whether or not to leave the info up, not me.

  332. My personal feeling is that any democrat who might be concerned that is 👿 gets the nom and this thing does blow up we’re done in the GE, has a right to express that concern to “party elders”.

  333. Y’all, thanks so much for the leads to foreign praises of Hillary! That’s something our US media ignores, and many young people just assume the opposite.l

    More, if anyone has them, please!

  334. Fran, let those idiots in Yahoo talk all they want. The real people in Texas love her:

    http://www.themonitor.com/articles/benavides_9002___article.html/teachers_rally.html

    Clinton rallies supporters in McAllen
    More than 2,000 attended event; Second appearance set for Feb. 20 at UTPA

    Jared Taylor
    February 13, 2008 – 7:46AM
    McALLEN – Around 2,000 people erupted in cheers as presidential candidate Hillary Clinton took the stage just after 9:30 a.m. Wednesday.

    Clinton took the stage to cheers and chants from the thousands who turned out to support their candidate. She talked about bolstering health care, educational and new job programs. She also highlighted plans for immigration reform.

    “I’m so excited to be in South Texas,” Clinton said. “We must seize the future.
    “There is so much more work to be done.”

    Clinton also went on the attack against Democratic rival Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, who won primaries in Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. on Tuesday. She said she would create programs that would help bolster struggling housing and job markets.

    “I have the solutions to these economic challenges,” she said. “The question is, does Senator Obama?”

    Clinton emphasized the importance of organizing and building up support locally for her campaign and to vote in the March 4 primary.

    “I need you and I need you to start organizing,” she said. “We can do what we need to do.”

    After Clinton’s speech, Rep. Ruben Hinojosa, D-Mercedes, announced that Clinton would next appear on Feb. 20 at the University of Texas-Pan American in Edinburg. She will also make a second appearance later that day at McAllen Memorial High School, he said.

    During a press conference after the speech, Clinton said the Rio Grande Valley needs its own veteran’s hospital. Click here to listen to full audio from the press conference (Windows Media file)

    “(Veterans) can’t be making that 5-hour trip as often as they need to,” she said.

    Jose Luis Vasquez of La Joya lingered and held his 3-year-old daughter while the crowd left the hall.

    He said he was a Clinton supporter before she came to McAllen today. But actually seeing her in person affirmed why Vasquez, who owns the Coyote Convenience Store in La Joya, thinks Clinton would make a good president.

    “When her husband was in the White House, we saw better changes in our lives,” said Vasquez, 35. “I think she contributed to that.”

    Shortly after 9 a.m., the crowd awaited the former first lady to appear.

    Dozens of local politicians, dignitaries and other Clinton supporters stood on the stands on the stage while campaign staffers handed out “Hillary for President” signs.

    People from all walks of life are sitting, standing and waiting for the former first lady to make her appearance.

    Songs such as Dolly Parton’s “9 to 5,” Bachman Turner Overdrive’s “Taking Care of Business,” and “I’m a Believer” by Smash Mouth played as the crowd periodically chanted “Hill-a-ry! Hill-a-ry!”

    Leading the chants around 8:15 a.m. was Mary Cano of Edinburg.

    Cano screamed and clapped her hands as she tried to drum up support for her favorite candidate.

    “I love her to death,” said Cano, a 34-year-old accountant. “She is, like, the strongest woman.

    “How can’t you love her?”

    Another chant with a Valley twist went: “Hil-a-ry, Hill-a-ry! She’s our dama! She can beat Barack Obama!”

    Gloria Ocampo of Brownsville stood in the back row atop risers directly opposite of the stage.

    “I’m short and I won’t be able to to see,” said Ocampo, 37. “This is probably as close as I’m going to get to see her in my entire life. I’m a big supporter.”

    Frank Albiar, a veteran of the First Gulf War, stood in the first row of risers that flanked the left side of the stage. Standing decorated with his U.S. Army medals, Albiar said he supports Clinton because he believes she understands the Rio Grande Valley needs a Veterans hospital.

    “If they can’t do it, we need to hold (Congress) accountable and look for somebody else,” Albiar, 50, said.

    Yvonne Benavides and some of her fellow teachers at Pharr-San Juan-Alamo Memorial High School said they were here first.

    As they stood in line amid a chilly, cloudless sunrise today, Benavides said she and her fellow teachers showed up at 5 a.m. for the rally.

    “We’ve been standing the whole time,” said Benavides, who teaches 9th and 10th grade Social Studies classes.

    The teachers are taking the morning off to check out the rally and garner some ideas for their classes, Benavides said. Students there are working on a project that follows a presidential candidate through the primary process and in the fall, teachers plan on implementing one where students will vote on campus.

    But when asked, Benavides couldn’t deny her support for Clinton.

    “I think it’s important for her to speak to the Hispanic community,” Benavides said. “I think she understands the important issues.”

    Some of those issues on Benavides’ mind were border security, health care and bringing a Veteran’s Administration hospital to the Rio Grande Valley.

    Fellow PSJA Memorial teacher Melissa Torres said the group actually got up at 3 a.m. to make it to the McAllen Convention Center before dawn.

    “We had to eat breakfast first,” she said.

    Jacob Ramirez, a veterinary technician from Harlingen, said he showed up at 6 a.m. for the rally.

    But why did he show up so early?

    “To make sure I was at the head of the line,” Ramirez, 25, said.

    Ramirez said he’s checked out Clinton and Obama, but decided to pick the former first lady.

    “Going along, the experience he lack, she has,” Ramirez said. “She knows what to do and knows how to take the country and make better choices.”

    Check back to http://www.themonitor.com for updates from the Clinton rally throughout the day.

  335. Memo from Mark Penn:

    The Path to The Nomination
    By Mark Penn

    To: Interested Parties

    From: Mark Penn, Chief Strategist

    Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2008

    Re: The Path to the Nomination

    This election will come down to delegates. Votes are still being counted and delegates apportioned, but Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are separated by approximately 40 delegates right now ��” that is, barely 1% of all the delegates to the Democratic convention.

    Change Begins March 4th. Hillary leads in the three largest, delegate rich states remaining: Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. These three states have 492 delegates ��” 64 percent of the remaining delegates Hillary Clinton needs to win the nomination. According to the latest polls, Hillary leads in Texas (IVR Jan 30-31), Pennsylvania (Franklin & Marshall Jan 8-14) and Ohio (Columbus Dispatch Jan 23-31). After March 4th, over 3000 delegates will be committed, and we project that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will be virtually tied with 611 delegates still to be chosen in Pennsylvania and other remaining states. This does not even include Florida and Michigan (where Hillary won 178 delegates), whose votes we believe should be counted.

    The reason Hillary is so strong in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania is that her message of delivering solutions resonates strongly with voters in those states. Hillary is the only candidate who can deliver the economic change voters want ��” the only candidate with a real plan and a record of fighting for health care, housing, job creation and protecting Social Security.

    The demographics in these states also favor Hillary Clinton. Hillary won among white women by 6 points in Virginia and 18 points in Maryland, and white women make up a much bigger share of the electorate in these states (41% of 2004 Ohio Democratic primary voters, for instance, compared with only 33-35% of 2008 Maryland and Virginia Democratic primary voters). Hillary has also won large majorities among Latinos nationwide ��” 73% in New York, 67% in California, 68% in New Jersey, 62% in New Mexico, 59% in Florida and 55% in Arizona. Latinos made up 24% of Texas Democratic primary voters in 2004, and may be an even larger share in 2008.

    Hillary Clinton has shown that she has the ability and organization to compete financially and on the ground. She raised 10 million dollars in just three days last week, and will be competitive with Barack Obama in fundraising and TV advertising from now through March 4th and beyond. She has a strong organization in each of these key states and endorsements from Governor Strickland, Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and former Senator John Glenn in Ohio. Hillary had a huge 12,000 person rally in El Paso last night to kick off her Texas campaign.

    Again and again, this race has shown that it is voters and delegates who matter, not the pundits or perceived “momentum.” After Iowa, every poll gave Barack Obama a strong lead in New Hampshire, but he ended up losing the state. And after a defeat in South Carolina, Hillary Clinton went on to win by large margins in California, New York, Florida, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Arizona, Tennessee, Oklahoma and Arkansas.

    As history shows, the Democratic nomination goes to the candidate who wins the most delegates ��” not the candidate who wins the most states. In 1992, Bill Clinton lost a string of primaries before clinching the nomination. He ceded Iowa, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maryland, Arizona, Washington, Utah, Colorado, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Delaware, Vermont and South Dakota. Similarly, in 1984, Walter Mondale also lost a series of major primaries before winning the nomination, including New Hampshire, Vermont, Florida, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Indiana, Virginia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Colorado, Ohio, and California. And in 1976, Jimmy Carter lost twenty-three states before winning the nomination, including: Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, West Virginia, South Carolina, Alabama, Illinois, Mississippi, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Nevada, California, Arizona, Alaska, Hawaii, and Utah.

  336. PM @ 5:26

    I see you found the county by county results for MD – sorry I didn’t respond – I had to get off awhile. I had looked at our local Election Bd. for results, but the state site has them all. I’m just glad all my MD neighbors aren’t over the top for BHO!

  337. CD99, the list of SDs is only the ones already committed to Bambi. If they should change their minds …

    Here’s why even checking out the SDs is a big deal:

    rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/one-degree-of-separation-obama.html

  338. hey guys… if anyone has already posted this, please forgive, but awesome awesomeness on huffpo abt hrc!!!

    shocking i know that arianna actually “allowed” something positive to be posted over there, but this one mustve slipped through! there are tons of comments that are positive as well.

    huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/battletested_b_86355.html

  339. Merry, do you feel strong in the language you used? I guess what I’m saying (without saying it out loud here) is: maybe you MIGHT want to say that voters have a right to express their concern about OB/Rez blowing up on the dems in the GE. And NOT so much go for the jugulars of the sds. Am I making sense?

  340. Fran,

    “That they’re pounding her so hard only makes me think they’re afraid she’s going to do really well soon and are trying to prevent that happening.”

    I personally think that the reason they are doing this is because they know this is the only moment he has available to him to push and shove. After this it is all downhill. And if it isn’t, then the alternative is too scary to imagine.

    Hillary has all the momentum and always has had it.

  341. Great article, DivaBunny.

    Then one of McCain’s aides said of Obama, “Obama wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG and a bong.”

    LMFAO!!

  342. Look the dem race is going to be long so McCain is going to start peppering the landscape with Obama drug usage, is lack of experience, his voting record, everything…rezko.

    He’s going to start early because it help him with the base and the independents and the Reagan democrats and the military….I could go on.

    So while the Obama and the DNC is talking about denying the FL/MI citizens their votes…look who comes along and talk about fighting for our Country and American values and my many years of public services for you and your rights and how the Republican party is with you while the democrat party is trying to deny you the vote.

  343. Well researched and generally accurate depiction of Barry’s many positions on Iraq from The New Republic.

    My favorite quote;

    “Moreover, say Hillary’s allies, at times Obama has dispensed with the caveats. In November of 2004, Obama appeared on the “Charlie Rose” show. “If you had been a member of the Senate, you would have voted against the resolution?” Rose asked. “Yes,” Obama flatly replied.”

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aaad0724-dd13-4ffa-810b-d5d3220ff055

  344. Just came across this valid point:

    “If Obama were so incredibly strong with Independent and Republican voters, wouldn’t he be crushing McCain easily in national polling?”

  345. B Merry-

    Great and important work on REZKOGATE, thank you so much…

    The majority of those calling themselves independent are conservative.

  346. JanH,

    Thanks… Remember this stroy ran shortly after BO was making cracks about how HRC was having tea in forgein countries. You know, if being first lady was so easy, maybe he should try doing it.

    Im still pissed no one in MSM ever picked up the story. Dowd? Noonan? Smith? anyone out there reading this??

    hypocrites.

  347. just go this from the buncombe county dems, pretty interesting stats and just reinforces what you guys have said abt the importance of the campaign being on “the gound”:

    HELP PUT OUR COUNTRY ON THE RIGHT TRACK!! JOIN THE TEAM!!

    How?
    Meet your neighbors, one-on-one, and talk to them about the issues.
    Talking to neighbors, face-to-face is the most effective way to generate votes.

    Why?
    TV is expensive and reaches less people…more channels, TIVO
    Radio is declining…satellite radio, IPODs
    Phone calls missed…caller id, cell phones

    What does it take to get just 1 more vote?
    Phone calls — 460
    Pieces of mail — 389
    Face-to-face contacts — 14

  348. Realist, Bo also said this to New yorker:

    “It’s not clear to me what differences we’ve had since I’ve been in the Senate,” Obama told the New Yorker magazine. “I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. . . . We were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.”

  349. cd99-

    Read the article. It covers ALL five or 6 of his calculated positions. Hillary should DISSECT him on this when next they meet…:)

  350. cd99 … i still wonder why Hillary does not bring that interview up in the debates. she could even take the magazine in with her for better impact…show it to the audience and make her point.

    perhaps you should send tip to admin here about that.

    I just wonder if Hillary even knows he said that…it’s a valid point to bring up about his war stance and seh NEVER mentions it. It would help define him….he keeps saying he was against it from the start but this article suggests otherwise.

  351. “We were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.”

    From Aimee Mann’s, “King of the Jailhouse”

    “And they don’t give the answers
    At the end of the test
    So you can’t simply stand there and hope for the best”

  352. clintondem99,

    Wow! Talk about double talk. He’s definitely changed his tune since that interview. I think that it should be thrown in his face.

  353. listening to the news… bits and pieces of barry’s speech from last night… he departed from the stump. he completely focused on the environment and rebuilding america’s infrastructure.

    if you ask me, that speech was given for ONE person. he’s pandering for gore’s endorsment. thoughts?

  354. TheRealist, Thanks. It is a great article covered a lot of different areas. I posted a Daily Kos diary on Jan 19. Please read it when you find time:

    dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/82643/0724/310/439036

  355. Dear Gov. Dean,

    When you ran for President, I supported your campaign with several contributions.
    I supported Gore, who lost, and Kerry, who lost – both because of FL.

    The DNC can not continue to let IA and NH bully the country.
    They went early too; punish them.

    In FL, the Republican House and Senate and Governor suckered you people in.
    They moved up the primary; you took the bait!
    You took away Hillary’s enormous 27% victory out of 1.75 Million voters
    whom you have disenfranchised.

    We do not have two great candidates. We can not have a man in the White House who:
    has befriended a slumlord for 17 + years
    turned his back on the African Americans living in 7 slums in Barack’s senatorial district
    voted “present” 130 + times, showing no leadership, taking no responsibility
    continues to support his church with Rev. Wright and his daughters lauding Farrakhan
    with Rev. Wright who traveled with Louis Farrakhan to Libya to visit Moammar Kadafi

    who continues to lie about his Iraq position not admitting he changed his mind in 03 and 04
    and , who is now lily white on being “against the war”.

    1. Unless MI and FL get their delegates back – without a new election –
    I will never give this party a dime.

    2. If Obama becomes President, God help us, he is weak.
    He caved in to Exelon on legislation about regulating Nuclear Energy;
    he will cave in again.

    I supported Jesse Jackson strongly back in the day
    but not Barack who lives in a mansion due to mortgage fraud
    who lives in a mansion where his land was bought by Rita Rezko

    If Hillary’s minister had visited Moammar Kadafi with Louis Farrakhan,
    Hillalry’s career would be over.

    I am furious at how the DNC is disenfranchising the voters of MI and FL,
    just as Julian Bond says.

    Give back those MI and FL delegates or I will never give this party a dime.

    If I did not hate this stupid war, I would vote for McCain.
    I will never vote for Obama.

    jonnyB

  356. if you ask me, that speech was given for ONE person. he’s pandering for gore’s endorsment. thoughts?

    If he is, he’s wasting his time, imo. What would it gain Gore to endorse Bambi? Nada. Nope, Gore will wait out the nom. and then back the winner, thus ensuring he can push his enviromental agenda (which I agree with) to the winner.

  357. I happen to come from a family who thought serving in the military as a service to this country. NO, not as officers but the average person who see it as a way to earn money for school, a trade, see the country but always seeing it as a badge of honor.

    Now we have two wars were our young men and women are standing and fighting under our flag that represent the values, rights and freedoms we hold so dear. Like the right to have a free and open elections where the citizens participate through their votes to elect the representative of their choice.

    And what do we see here, the DNC and Barack Hussein Obama, a democratic presidential candidate, advocating the suppression of Florida
    and Michigan’s votes. Not because the primary was corrupted of had major voting irregularity but because their courts said it was okay to have their primary in January.

    Barack Hussein Obama want to be “Commander in Chief” and fight for the rights and value of Americans and be a leader in the world….but yet won’t uphold the values and the freedoms that our military is fighting for in Iraq and Afghanistan. The right of it’s citizens to vote for their leaders.

  358. Jonny B, great letter, but you forgot to add your concern about Obama’s support of Raila Odinga and being called a “stooge”.

  359. divabunny,

    ABC News said Bambi gave that speech in response to McCain claiming he was all talk and no substance.

  360. jasonmalott Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    PM @ 5:26

    I see you found the county by county results for MD – sorry I didn’t respond
    ———–
    that is fine — I was lazy to google — found it on WaPo nice interactive map.

  361. why can’t people get it that the guy is all talk and no do. He doesn’t even think about what the country really will need next January. All he wants is the title and the power. He absolutely has no CLUE. He is bamboozling many people…

    Where’s IDunn with the holy water and axes.

  362. Morale is to all other factors as 4 is to 1.–Napoleon Bonaparte.

    I never believed in the theory of the inevitable candidate. Six months ago they said that about Hillary (with the encouragement of Penn), and now they are saying that about Obama. But it is all bullshit. What matters now is stategy, execution and morale. And as in competitive athletics we need to do our own job well and not worry so much about what our enemy does and much less on what the media whores say. We need to concentrate on what we can control.

    Until now, the problem has been the campaign. If the campaign had been half as good as our candidate then we would have 2025 electoral votes right now. We would have stressed the change theme more than we did from the beginning. We would have had a credible get out to vote movement in caucus states, literature, signs, buttons, transporation for elderly voters. The campaign would have been less territorial and more spontaneous.

    That is not a critical assessment but a diagnostic one. And it leads to the question which has been on everyones minds which is not how do we stop his momentum but how do we regain ours. Part of the answer is to interpret the recent succession of losses not as msn does, but as Elizabethian writer Ben Johnson did when he said: “nothing so fixates the mind as the imminent prospect of being hanged”. Women need to understand that the battle Hillary is fighting for recognition and to be judged on performance is one that all women share, and have a vested interest in. They are goddam fools to fall for Obama.

    Now for the best part. A couple of us were on a high dollar donor conference with the campaign this morning with Hillary, Maggie Williams, er. al. You know Hillary, she is the greatest leader in our generation and we can all stipulate to that. Maggie is the perfect counterpoint. Someone said she puts gunpowder on her cereal. I say she could take those two upwardly mobile urban professional friends of Rezko and twist them into pretezels in a New York minute. She is working for Hillary without pay. And they all slept in the office last night to develop a new strategy and ensure sound execution going forward.

    What is more, the campaign is now raising huge sums of money and the list of donors has expanded exponentially. The numbers will be announced in due course. Major fundraising projects and celebrity events are underway. Highly sophisticated get out to vote stategies are being set up in Texas and Ohio, media buys, free media and the debate which our girl has rung out of the cowardly Obama–you can run Barack but you cannot hide. And neither can your zombies. They intend to replicate the success they achieved in California and they will.

    We even have a new theme to differentiate us from the enemy. It goes like this: “He is in the business of promises. She is in the business of solutions. So lets get real about the future.” Also, this newly acquired underdog status aint all bad. One of the fundamental characteristics of a great team of people-the kind that can put a dent in the universe is the feeling that they are an underdog, fighting against a known enemy, in an existential battle, that must be won in order for the organization to survive. Examples include the Manhattan Project, Lockheed, Dell, Disney, etc. And our leader has a passion for social justice that we have not seen since Bobby Kennedy.

    On a related subject there has been a fair amount of discussion of whether this should be a support site which communicates a coherent message or a chatroom qua wailing wall qua marketplace of ideas. I believe it should be viewed as a support site at this part of the campaign because that contributes to morale in the execution stage, and as noted above morale is to all other factors as 4 is to 1. Last night a couple supporters were talking about leaving the site because of the negativity. If we can stay as positive as Hillary does though this process it will reflect best on us and the candidate we all believe in.

  363. Here is the link for the New Yorker interview:

    newyorker.com/archive/2006/10/30/061030on_onlineonly04?currentPage=3

  364. If that speech was about substance, what a shame that it’s taken him how many months to realize that his empty rhetoric about change is just that… empty!

  365. “He is in the business of promises. She is in the business of solutions. So lets get real about the future.”

    Perfect!

  366. BEST, NEWS, EVER.

    She ain’t going down without a fight and now that the campaign knows that there were opportunities missed, they will adapt and Hillary will be 44.

    Maggie Williams .. bless you! She should take salary though but it shows her committment to Hillary.

    Major fundraising and celebrity events, so good to hear.

    Every buck we come up with to contribute is one more drop in the bucket.

    We can help Hillary be 44.

  367. I love this…McCain calling Obama a liar and his word doesn’t mean anything:

    The two senators have clashed before – in early 2006 – when Mr Obama withdrew from a promised cross-party effort to secure ethics reform. This prompted a letter of withering sarcasm from Mr McCain, stating: “I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble…Thank you for disabusing me of such notions.”

    Mr Obama sent a letter back, saying: “I have no idea what has prompted your response.”
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3365825.ece

    Like it’s been said time and time again, Obama is all about Obama and is a liar and has no honor. He will sell you donwn the river as fast as he can and the DNC and party leaders can’t protect him. The press will eat him up alive.

    Another John Kerry production.

  368. well I don’t mind that Mccain is going after Obama. The next 3 weeks can be good for us if McCain starts defining Obama (without us having to do so) showing his weakness and flaws and the error of his ways.

    He can knock Obama down, take him on and show how weak he is .. superdelegates will see this too as well as headlines are soon going to be screaming it…

    Tv pundits will soon follow course and the take down is on.

    Actually when you think about IMO this works good for HRC. Obama will get vetted and it is going to happen during the next 3 weeks. McCain knows how to campaign against the Clintons and he is testing Obama and we are going to reap the benefits.

    These are my opinion

  369. Clinton Release

    Today, Sen. Obama will attack Hillary on NAFTA:

    You know, in the years after her husband signed NAFTA, Senator Clinton would go around talking about how great it was and how many benefits it would bring.

    Sen. Obama and his campaign have consistently fabricated quotes. to support this claim. Recently he falsely claimed that Hillary said that NAFTA was a “boon”. to the economy. Now, Obama is resting his argument on a single paraphrase from an article written twelve years ago.

    Meanwhile, based on his positions in Illinois and the United States Senate, the National Journal concluded that Sen. Obama was “the most likely presidential candidate to support further trade liberalization.” Sen. Obama opposed an amendment that would have prevented the weakening of laws that protect against unfair trade practices. (Hillary supported the amendment.) Sen. Obama also supports fast track authority.

    Sen. Obama also misrepresents Hillary’s position on trade moving forward:

    Now that she’s running for President, she says we need a time-out on trade. No one knows when this time-out will end. Maybe after the election.

    Hillary has called for a timeout on trade agreements in the first several months of her presidency to provide an opportunity to systematically review every trade agreement to ensure that it is delivering benefits to American workers..” The time-out will begin when she becomes president. This is consistent with legislation she introduced in the Senate that would require study of the impact of trade agreements.. She has also pledged to double the enforcement staff at the office of the United States Trade Representative and expand the Trade Adjustment Assistance program so that workers negatively affected by the global economy get the help they need.

  370. Change in Ohio plans.

    Tomorrow morning (Thursday), Hillary will instead be visiting the General Motors complex in Lordstown, between Youngstown and Warren. She has been given the opportunity to speak to hundreds of auto workers in a closed meeting, as the regional UAW has yet to endorse (a coup ?). She will then hold a press conference and take questions from the media.

    In the afternoon she heads to Columbus for the rally with Senator John Glen. The public rally for the Youngstown area has been moved to next week.

  371. Hey, did you guys see what Hillary said about that polkadot dress she used to wear? She said “that dress should be arrested!” i cracked up when i read that b/c she’s just damn funny……and quirky too….funny funny girl she is!

  372. Hey, did you guys see what Hillary said about that polkadot dress she used to wear? She said “that dress should be arrested!”

    Yep, and my circa 1974 granny boots and gunny sack dress should be arrested right along with it.

  373. Actually when you think about IMO this works good for HRC. Obama will get vetted and it is going to happen during the next 3 weeks.

    Which, unless I am mistaken , will put us right on track for the Rezko trial March 3.

    Sounds like a plan to me. 🙂

  374. joke/riddle: what’s the only verb day of the entire year?

























    MARCH 4th!!!!

    HA HA!

  375. oldelephant.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/why-the-house-isnt-going-away/

    How nice of them to notice this lowly little forum.

  376. true2party Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Which means that some of us have SWEATSHIRTS older than you…:)

    (Consider yourself lucky that you missed the age of platform shoes)

  377. wbboei – get out to vote movement in caucus states, literature, signs, buttons, transporation for elderly voters.

    WBBOEI, if you’re in touch with the campaign, I’ll say this again, beause I’ve just been throuigh it on the ground. What us timid little old ladies need in a caucus state is not JUST transportation but ESCORTS/ADVOCATES or at least a cell phone number for some knowledgeable person IN THE BUILDING we can call to come speak for us if anyone tries to confuse or bully us.

    Carpooling isn’t necessary, even a pre-caucus restaurant meeting isn’t necessary (tho it would be ideal). Just a car or van outside the caucus building covered with Hillary posters. Just so we can get together in a friendly atmosphere and get our buttons and signs and ALL GO INTO THE CAUCUS already a group. This was done in Las Vegas and it worked GREAT.

    Even two volunteers with some knowledge (and a lot of guts) could do this. Just need to come a half hour or so early, park in a visible location and put signs all over the car. When a few ladies gather, one volunteer escorts them in and gets them each seated at the proper table and signed in etc — and gives both cell phone numbers for reassurance. Then she goes back to the car and the other volunteer shepards in whatever other ladies have shown up in the meantime. Back and forth taking turns.

    Of course local GOTV should let hesitant voters know to expect this support, and give them the volunteers’ cell phone numbers in case they get lost or something.

    This would make a big difference, honestly!

  378. I just got invited to go do field work in Hawaii by an old friend that was an RFD in Iowa. I am so jealous, I want to go, but I have school! We do have some ground operatives in Hawaii 🙂

  379. i think the trick about caucuses is that you have to get hillary’s funny, wonky, quirky supporters out and about.

    what i mean is that you need to have all of the supporters get at intersections, colleges, conferences, heck, even shopping centers (like outside the doors, where you can pick up a homeless puppy, girlscout cookies, etc.). get her name out there.

    to fight a bully movement, you have to not show ANY weekness.

    my local HQ called it “let’s get visible!”

    that works i think. get the word out and get supporters to show their support BIG TIME.

    signs signs signs signs…..button buttons buttons at the grocery stores and such.

    come on, make it the “in” thing to do b/c it’s what others are doing.

    me? i proudly wear my button everywhere and i don’t care and i live in the middle of red stateness.

    i went to go look at a new rental today, and the lady showing the place was obviously a very “proper” and possibly “semi-fundie” woman. when she saw my hillary bumper sticker, she probably thought, “oh great! a freak!” but once she and i started talking, i could tell that she wasn’t acting “scared” or “timid” anymore.

    you have to show these people that hillary still has A LOT!!! of supporters.

  380. Henry Cisneros was the first Hispanic mayor of a major US city (San Antonio) and was the HUD secretary under Bill and was the former president of Univision. Leticia Van de Putte is a state senator who delivered the democratic response to the State of the Union in Spanish. Both are supporting Hillary and are from San Antonio.

  381. Thanks LSD.

    Idunn, I totally agree, get that guy speaking en espanol back out there, as long as someone is energizing the crowd. We had to do this when HRC and WJC came to Iowa together.

  382. lol. i tink its great Obama has swept a few states. If its any indication from my obama-campaign workers here in school….then most obama volunteers/workers, etc, are probably very cocky and arrogant right now. lol. My friends basically all came up to me and declared Obama the nominee and that Hillary had zero chance in the whole world.

  383. Yeah, at the Abingdon rally they had speakers hollering questions like “Are you ready for REAL Universal healthcare? Are you ready for Green Collar Jobs?”

    It toally pumped the crowd.

  384. St. Mary’s is a Catholic university and the San Antonio Archbishop made a big stink about the university hosting someone who was pro-choice, which is why you are seeing great overtures to thank the university.

  385. Realist: 7:41…Sweatshirts among other things. I got a blanket when I was in grad school (I was homesick) and it’s still with me! They’ll probably use it to mummify me when I shed this mortal coil.

    wb: Great report of the morning call! Our girl is pumped up yall. She likes a good fight and she’ll by god deliver. I am doubling my efforts and more. I agree 100% that this needs to be a no whine/ morale zone. I loved the Kipling poem, by the way. Did you know the lines, “If you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two imposters the same” (prob not an exact quote) is above the doors at Wimbledon. Somebody on tv compared Hillary’s style of politics or stick to-itness to Chris Evert…oh it was the no unforced errors (which I swear I said here first). Many’s the time I’ve thought of a five set match, a grueling five set match, when I think of this campaign. When you are in one of those long, long matches and the sun is bearing down and your muscles ache and your head throbs, what we say about champions is that they “dig deep down.” And there you get that core strength, resolve, that you’ve spent your entire life creating, just for that moment. Hillary is our girl and a great champion!

  386. Good evening all. Disenfranchised Florida voter who wrote a “bite me” letter to Howard Dean this evening when he wrote asking for money! CC’d to my State Senator….now, watching Hillary! GO GIRL!

    And rolled my eyes at Obama’s NAFTA smokescreen today. What was she going to do as First Lady? Campaign AGAINST her husband’s policy?

    Like to see Bambi let Michelle do that!

    Michelle: “He wants to spend $150 BILLION. WELL, I think he’s thinking like a REPUBLICAN!” (crowd cheers)

    HA!

  387. Tomorrow’s Schedule:

    Clinton: Youngstown, Columbus, OH
    Obama: Chicago, IL (no public events)

    Hillary takes no days off! She’s a fighter and will work for us every day she’s in the White House.

  388. here si the villamin quote-
    weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/02/clinton_tries_to_spark_wiscons.html
    -this means hillary will have good gotv in wi.

  389. I apologize to anyone who is annoyed by my focus on the Rovian conspiracy. Please skip this post if you find my analysis tedious. I try not to spam the site too much, but sometimes the discussion leads to other avenues.

    Last night I posted these thoughts regarding the concept of a Mancurian Candidate in this post which referenced previous trains of thought on possible Rovian tactics:
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=491#comment-71836

    Later, on an unrelated matter, I commented in response to BMerry thusly:
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=491#comment-71875

    Since then, I’ve been nagged by a phrase that I used in the latter post:
    Democrats just don’t respond to mudslinging in the same way that wingnuts do.

    What’s been bothering me is that I first encountered the concept of Obama as a Manchurian Candidate over in the comment section at the Orange Satan. The commentor was dismissing the ideas of someone who was writing about the curious rise of the relatively inexperienced Senator. Since I am familiar with both the brilliant original film and it’s lesser remake, I dismissed the analogy out of hand because, basically it makes no sense. Anyone who’s seen the films knows that the similarities don’t go beyond casting Denzel Washington and Meryl Streep…the plot does not support substituting the dynamic between HRC and BHO in this race.

    So here’s the thing that’s been bugging me about Democrats just don’t respond to mudslinging in the same way that wingnuts do. Democrats dismiss the analogy out of hand for a number reasons, wingnuts do not. As the Rezko trial unfolds, and more and more shady Arab types are exposed, I predict that wingnut sights will be ablaze with whispers of “Manchurian Candidate,” and the message will gain traction among them.

    I don’t know if Huckabee is still a factor (the Romney conservatives are a giant question mark), but the Republicans have proven in the past that they are well able to orchestrate whatever outcome suits their party leaders. My suspicion at this point is that they are waiting to find out how BHO does on our side. I think that if BHO makes it onto the ticket (in either spot), then they run Huckabee. Otherwise, I think they’ll stick with McCain agaist Hillary. It seems pretty clear that as “polarizing” as they claim Hillary is, the Huckster is more polarizing.

    We might know more from TX because it’s a state where the Wingnut leadership has based their operations. But nothing would surprise me coming from the wingnuts. They seem to be able to control their people with an iron grip and as the recent lawsuits on our side have proven, selecting the Party’s candidate is the business of the Party, not the public. Democrats are prone to prefer “fairness,” wingnuts seem to prefer winning.

  390. This was on HC.com blogs. Hope it helps some of you. Sorry if it is a repeat post. I just go in and haven’t read everything yet.

    Copy these to a new threat. Here are links to flyers. We can print/distribute/email them to friends/family/coworkers.

    Hawaii http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/Feb19%20-%
    Wisconsin http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/Feb19%20-%

    Rhode Island http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/Mar4%20-%2
    Ohio http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/Mar4%20-%2
    Texas http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/Mar4%20-%2
    Vermont http://www.hillaryclinton.com/files/pdf/Mar4%20-%2

  391. Hillary is rockin’ San Antonio. I love that woman. How can anyone not put their trust in this woman? She is great.

  392. guys, the genearl obamalamadingdong opinion on the REzko mess:

    “Obama once bought a ten foot strip of land next to his property (apparently so he could put up a fence) from a woman who was married to a man who was a fundraiser for Obama, and who also is awaiting trial for trying to collect kickbacks on government deals. It’s really not Obama’s fault that the guy he bought land from is in trouble, so moving on…”

    ^^kinda shows how little they are willing to look into this…and how much they would be surprised if they found out the truth.

  393. Cocky SOB, think he can afford to take a day off . . . there are no days off in the White House just like there isn’t an option to vote present. Never under estimate Hillary, she’s best when she’s perceived to be down.

  394. @nycmax: it doesnt bore me…i was raised on conspiracy theories (my dad)… who really killed kennedy? the house of rothschilds…skull and bones… secret bohemian grove meetings…. nothing suprises me when it comes to power.

  395. You guys, I was wondering if any of you think it would be better for Obama to win the nomination and lose the election so finally those Obamabots can see him as a mediocre politician rather than the messiah. Seriously, they will be pissed if Hillary wins just like many of us will be if he wins. I just think this party is so fractured that a good number of us will not be able to come together to support any one candidate in this election. Obama needs to be vetted and exposed and if Hillary can’t do it without being attacked by the Obamabots then I want the Republican party to do the job. I would love him to look like a fool in those debates and get swift boated. I feel that the only way for him to get rid of his messiah reputation is if he loses big time and is humiliated.

  396. yep. his strategy room will be abuzz most likely tomorrow.
    but since no one thinks I should post any of his campaign going-ons here, i will leave it at that.

  397. who really killed kennedy? the house of rothschilds…skull and bones… secret bohemian grove meetings….

    That’s my Hubby too. (pssssst, he’s the one who put the antichrist idea in my head. Mind you, he doesn’t believe it, but he still looked it up. LOL!)

  398. I agree that Hillary doesn’t take any days off. Maybe these wins are good for him so he gets cocky and thinks he can just give a sermon and win thousands of votes. Let him take a day off. I’m glad Hillary is such a workhorse. I can never be as strong and brilliant as this woman.

  399. Highlyeducated, my love for Hillary is greater than my anger at Obama.
    To be honest, I think Obama is an ok person. He is shady, and has skeletons in his closet, but so do most politicians. The only problem i have with him…is trying to cover these things up and then go around and lie aobut Hillary. That’s a no-no in my opinion…and frankly, this guy is not worthy to president with his current list of non-existent accomplishments.

    If Obama is the nominee, Hillary would not be able to be president in this most crucial of years. I would be more than happy for Hillary to vet him thoroughly AND win the election. Allow this guy 8 years to recover his image, and he can certainly come back to run again in 2016 as an experienced man.

    but, for now…any suggestion of Barack at the nomination podium will seriously cause me to see red.

  400. well, let’s just say Obama will re-strategize based on his new-found strengths.

    Texas is usually a large red state in the general election…
    And with McCain chosen….

    u get the picture?

    btw: there will be something new going on in ohio from his campaign. Can’t say what, but they are organizing fast there.

  401. love this article!!! erica jong calls the obama-ites (she calls them “hillary-haters”) out for who and what they are! great article!!! its a great and humorous read! enjoy!

    huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/patriarchy1000-hillary_b_86408.html

  402. NON EXISTENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS…Hillary ought to belt that out in her next stump speech.

    I read over at CNN board this evening, while looking for the link to watch online, and those Obamabots are really stupid. He cares … that the only thing I can get out of them .. and he can heal the country.

  403. MJS, I appreciate your insight, but would urge you most importantly to share it with people inside the campaign, if you aren’t already. I can take not knowing, but I’m sure they would appreciate knowing. As for me, I’m off to make another small donation for our girl!

  404. Idunn
    Probably to have someone deliver a message to REZKO. Sort of like in The Godfather ll, it is time to do the right think kill yourself and your family will be taken care of.

  405. Idunn. I have left out a crucial part. I’m sure you all understand why.
    I’ve sent it along to the HRC campaign.

  406. HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter,

    This is Hillary’s time not Obama’s. He isn’t ready. So no, I don’t think he should win. I don’t think he will win.

    And I’m starting to think that he won’t be ready for a very very long time.

  407. is this true? if so -crap! seat the fla delegates
    “For Clinton to overtake Obama for the pledged delegate lead — which we think is the single most important statistic for the superdelegates to decide their vote — she’ll have to win 55% of the remaining delegates. Assuming next week goes Obama’s way in Wisconsin and Hawaii, that percentage rises to 57%. Toss in likely Obama victories in Vermont, Wyoming, Mississippi, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota, then Clinton’s percentage need tops 60% of the remaining delegates available.”

  408. btw, one of my friend’s father is a superdelegate 😀 and he’s voting for Hillary 🙂 even though his son is an Obamatron.

  409. strength re: Texas.

    already read on cnn board that there is an organized effort in Texas since it is an open primary to kill Hillary vote with republicans voting for bambi

  410. i really can’t understand how there could be so many people who hate one distinguished woman so much to go out for hours just to vote against her.

  411. re texas: damn…. i heard on the news that bho had offices in dallas austin and houston two weeks before hc got there.

  412. texan4hillary
    I saw someone on fox say she needs to capture over 70% of the remaining pledged deleagtes to have the lead going into the convention. So I did the math myself and she needs to take about 57% of the remaining delegates up for grabs in primaries to have the pledged delegate lead at the end. Not easy but she can do that. That figure does not take into any of the superdelegates, just pledged delegates.

  413. why don’t we do some undergorund work? lol. like…spread the word to republican hotbeds that obama is the stronger candidate who would crush that old fool mCCain and that Hillary would galvanize repub support and stuff….at least split the damn republicans 😀

  414. They did a calculation on Fox today showing a 55% Bambi/45% Hillary delegate split based on recent races and Bambi can’t get enough delegates for the nomination. All Hillary has to do is a bit better here and there and Bambi a bit worse here and there and it’s pretty much still a tie. Assuming the 55-45 split.

  415. I never interfere with what the enemy is doing, MJS. The enemy is like Iran…one day they’re your friends, one day they’re your enemy. I don’t arm them now so they can come back and bite me in the ass later.

    If ya know what I mean.

  416. why doesn’t he seem to be worried about Rezko blowing, and especially the Auchi connections?

    LOL…who says he ISN’T worried?

  417. carville on cnn/larry king right now

    tomorrow night on larry king: mccain…. let’s hope he goes after barry… “empty suit” “what does he stand for” etc…

  418. mango:

    1st: understand the Obama-method. Anything dirty about him that is revealed is just brushed off as unfactual and he has the teeming masses of support that blindly agree with his every word. He doesn’t fear losing his supporters so much as a lot of them are hardcore.

    2nd: The trial will most likely last a very long time. it’s not going to be completed in one day. It will take weeks to months at the very least and by then, he could’ve had the nomination wrapped up.

    3rd: this seems kind of weird, the way my informer told me this…but obama might not be as keen on the presidency as we all think. His main goal, right now, is to prevent a Hillary Clinton nomination and that’s always been his plan. My informer tells me that the campaign spends more time plotting out how to destroy her, than actually planning out organization of their own support and/or expanding their own support.

    Obama does want to be president. But he also doesn’t want HRC to even come close to the presidency, even if she is a democrat.

  419. hillary will hve by week’s end 20 offices and 100 staff. she si working the valley very hard etc.. latinos are turnng out in droves to see her-10000s. oh-and we here in tx can have big surprises to to throw obama off

  420. @hawk: i agree, but i’m hoping that the media plays this out like they usually do with ppl…. i’m hoping that the only reason they are building this neophyte up so so so much is so that they can tear him down… the higher they put him on that pedestal… the further he has to fall!

    those are the things i’m praying for!!!

  421. Well, I would say that the united autoworkers union endorsement would hurt hillary, while possibly helping him…not sure if it would help, though.

    What exactly does he hate about her so much? I mean that he hates her is obvious, but why?

  422. again, I will reiterate this point. Yes. focus on Texas, but watch out for Ohio. That is Obama’s best bet and my Obama-For-President leader from my school here has been absent for the last 3 days. He’s been in Ohio…missing school to canvass for him there.

  423. There is a great post on Taylor Marsh about the Cult of Personality. Also, check out some of her links to a blog about an Obama rally. Serious, scary stuff.

  424. Also….lots of interesting Obama tidbits coming from Ron Paul supporters.

    Very interesting to see who is gonna kill Bambi first. LOL!

  425. @idunn: i dont think so… hubby is flipping and i just saw them on tv

    @mjs: that just soldifies my distaste for him. i know its horrible but if hrc doesnt get the nom i will NOT vote… for the first time in 20 years… i feel like whether its jm or bho, i will have blood on my hands!

  426. well its all out trench warfare. Hillary and Bill need to call in every favor, chit and everything else. It sounds like the little thief is up to no good once more.

    Why would someone want to destroy Hillary Clinton that much?

    I hope he gets ass cancer.

  427. MJS Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    3rd: this seems kind of weird, the way my informer told me this…but obama might not be as keen on the presidency as we all think. His main goal, right now, is to prevent a Hillary Clinton nomination and that’s always been his plan. My informer tells me that the campaign spends more time plotting out how to destroy her, than actually planning out organization of their own support and/or expanding their own support.
    ——————–
    I could sense this from his behavior — he is all about winning and winning over her. If he pushes it too far (I think he has already pushed far), he will self-destruct but he seems to be ok with it.

  428. @carbynew: have you read this article? its great! EXACTLY what you just posted about!!!

    huffingtonpost.com/erica-jong/patriarchy1000-hillary_b_86408.html

  429. @hawk: i agree, but i’m hoping that the media plays this out like they usually do with ppl…. i’m hoping that the only reason they are building this neophyte up so so so much is so that they can tear him down… the higher they put him on that pedestal… the further he has to fall!

    those are the things i’m praying for!!!
    *************************************************
    People forget the media…they have their own agenda and they are propagandists now…so forget them. You are the media!!!!

  430. And if he doesn’t win, he will cry foul… file law suit after law suit…as for recount after recount until it comes out just the way he wants it.

  431. I blame the DNC for this mess and Howard Dean and until the democratic party throw out the losers and put people in the office that understand their party.

    Then maybe this won’t happen again I don’t have a problem with the 50 state plan but these lame azz caucuses gives a “false positives” that won’t help us in the GE against the republicans…so get rid of it next time.

  432. Two questions please:

    1) did anyone reading right now post the City Edition, Karl Rove link on here last night?

    2) has wbboei been on yet tonight?

    Thanks.

  433. Newt Gingrich on FOX re: Obama….he doesn’t need to say annything except change, etc.

    If he were for anything but backing up the current bureaucracy, he would spell it out. He has intent to keep the same players in power…to paraphrase

  434. time is growing short though and the pushback on rezco might not be fast enough.

    what could happen in Ohio that would make him happy? labor endorsements, etc.

    Idunn, please pray for me LOL :drags out 2 ambien:

  435. The Chicago press has reported that a company founded by Wilhelm has been investigated by the feds in connection with the state’s teacher pension system. According to the Chicago Tribune, ‘Hopewell Ventures, whose five principals include former top Blagojevich adviser and 1992 Clinton campaign manager David Wilhelm, secured a $10 million investment from the state Teachers’ Retirement System in December 2003.’

    Now THAT is damned interesting. Someone is doing their homework. 🙂

  436. Idunn Says:

    February 13th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    They have to go to Chicago for “strategy meetings”?

    I think not…me too.i think not…i wonder to if he knows someone who has somebody in jail..to give rezko a message..
    Mccain is gonna get him…strategy meeting,why chicago..Hillary will get him..i hope bo is watching this roger clemens and andy pettis and trainer all about lies lol..maybe it will scare him this is what happens when your famous..

    this sucks hanity and colmes =HC..there screwed..lol

  437. Our resident Bambi spy offers this little nugget: well, let’s just say Obama will re-strategize based on his new-found strengths.
    Texas is usually a large red state in the general election…

    This made me LOL because there are things about TX that Bambi doesn’t know. The wingnut operatives would know what I know, so if they really are advising him…well, let’s just say, they’re leading him astray. It’s good news for our side, either way.

    PS: I’m find your tidbits highly entertaining, MJS. I hope you’re not offended by my pet name for you. I know you understand that even if your information is accurate, it should be read with a healthy dose of salt. War Rooms are war rooms for a reason.

  438. Oh lord, please bless the ambien that Dot is about to consume, so that she might sleep well tonight and arise on the morrow full of energy to make calls for Hillary. Amen.

  439. JanH Says:

    February 13th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    And if he doesn’t win, he will cry foul… file law suit after law suit…as for recount after recount until it comes out just the way he wants it.
    **************************************
    Who effing cares…Obama is a bully, thief and liar and he can kiss my black (beep).

  440. i agree that you guys have reason to be suspicious. That’s why I’m not going about telling everything and anything i know. I’m just saying things as they come to me. Take it with a grain of salt.

  441. Dot, I dont know, it was a phone in interview and the context was relative to the Republican Strategy of beating Obama (!)

  442. I LOVE SAN ANTONIO!

    Clinton poses with children. People swarm her taking pictures with their cell phones. Lisa Barnes, 50 and a student calls out “You’re going to win! We’re going to vote for you.” Clinton responds: “Thank you, I need you.”

    Later Barnes explains why she’s supporting Clinton: “Because she’s got more balls than anyone else I know,” she says. “Wait, can I say that?”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Scenes_from_the_pool_report.html#comments

  443. meyingsu, i did read something about that today.

    if this were to be the case, this shows how crooked this guy is and he is out selling the audacity of hope.

  444. Even if Hillary doesn’t have the lead in pledged delegates, I don’t think the party is going to feel good about nominating a guy who: (1) racked up tons of delegates in Red state caucuses using paid Republican organizers; and (2) won a bunch of southern states with his Jesse Jackson-Gary Hart coalition.

    Having won all the big states will be a great talking point for Hillary, and she’ll probably have the overall pop. vote as well. It’s still gonna be a mess if it appears that party insiders are stealing it from The Messiah.

  445. Later Barnes explains why she’s supporting Clinton: “Because she’s got more balls than anyone else I know,” she says. “Wait, can I say that?”

    ROTFLAMO!!

  446. i have absolutely no clue about this stuff but my brother keeps bringing up Loyal order of masons…and he is a member and he is rabid for bambi. he still believes the dumbo was in the Senate and voted against the war.

  447. Oh, I saw the most recent poll from Wisconsin. It was 45-41 Obama, but much closer since Hillary went on the air there.

    What scares me is these open primaries. I truly believe these cross-over Republicans are organized with Obama.

  448. MJS Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    3rd: this seems kind of weird, the way my informer told me this…but obama might not be as keen on the presidency as we all think. His main goal, right now, is to prevent a Hillary Clinton nomination and that’s always been his plan. My informer tells me that the campaign spends more time plotting out how to destroy her, than actually planning out organization of their own support and/or expanding their own support.

    Jesus Christ what a sicko vindictive whacko this man is. MJS I hope you have spoken to Hillary’s campaign about this. This is something they should know about, if they haven’t already figured it out.

  449. Spacegirl

    No.

    I think I will try to post the link…Someone here put up just a piece of it last night. I found the whole article and and it scared the poop out of me.

    Then I went to look up one of the original sources mentioned in it and felt sick.
    Bush-appointed general director of NPR.

    Basically, the lesson is we are NOT crazy…there is an organized movement.
    It’s why I’m trying to find WBBOEI. He wrote here a few days ago about corporate ownership of the 6 major networks, plus the

  450. But good lord, that is so stupid. Does the enemy (pick one) not realize that we have options OTHER than Bambi OR McCain?

  451. anyways, have fun tonight guys. keep calling anyone and everyone u know to support and donate to hillary and try to entice ppl to make calls 🙂

    just got off the phone with friend. There will be an Obama bus shuttling high school and college students to ohio this coming Saturday. i will see if I can board that bus and locate the closest Hillary office I can :

  452. I tried to send a link to HillHub Tips section, but couldn’t figure out how to do it, so just sent them both articles.

    Didn’t want to do it here though because one article is about 1 and 1/2 pages long and I didn.t want to use so much of Admin’s page.

  453. # Independent Ben Says:
    February 13th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Paula, Texas is semi-open, which means Ind. only
    ————–
    are you sure? this website says it is an open primary (for semi-open they specify Dems + Ind)

    innovation.cq.com/primaries

  454. no-tx is open. u choose whether u are a dem or repub when u walk in to vote. they stamp your card with party affil. pray huckabee makes a big go of it here

  455. emjay, that cityedition article link was posted here (by divabunny) and wobbei was also here earlier –see his/her post up thread.

  456. MJS wrote: again, I will reiterate this point. Yes. focus on Texas, but watch out for Ohio

    Jesse Jackson’s results in TX in 1988 are, indeed, something to be prepared for. It’s been pointed out in the press that Bambi’s candidacy was designed to merge the strengths of Jackson and Hart, so that’s a no brainer.

    If I were advising Hillary’s campaign, I would suggest that they look into the work done by the CA SoS to see if there is an effective strategy to use to counter the 2004 Ohio Bush performance. GOTV may not be enough, and strong and observant precinct captains may come in really handy. Paper trails are the Democrat’s best friend, did OH do anything besides convict low level wingnuts to ensure more accurate results?

    This is especially true because the latest from the BM echo chamber is that Bambi only needs to win one of the big states to secure the nomination. It seems like BM is intent on negating the role of the Superdelegates to protect the interests of true Democrats in the selection of our Democratic Nominee. We need to continue to pressure our Superdelegates to tune out BM who is no friend to Democrats and only consider the wishes of the voters in our key demographics. In the battle to win over our key demographics, Bambi only enjoys the support of one group. SDs were designed to be our last line of defense against the shenanigans of the opposing party, they need to be reminded of their duty.

    Winning a majority of core democrats must be of paramount importance in selecting our nominee. Period.

  457. bunny, i remembered Yale v Harvard as soon as I hit enter ;-}

    but I was looking back over the Rove/Obama meeting article again after listening to MJS’s talk about BO derail-a-thon about Hillary, asnd remembered this “As for speculation that he could be the country’s first black president, Obama says that he will not run for anything in 2008. He is quick to temper high expectations and scrying about his lofty political future with quips about how he doesn’t yet know where the Senate bathrooms are, and how he’ll be “sharpening pencils and scrubbing floors” for the first few years.”

    How things change….

    “He says that the first thing is for him to learn to be a first-rate senator,” says Jarrett, the finance committee chair. “If that leads to something else one day, fabulous. But first things first.”

  458. I can’t remember exactly where, but I’m pretty sure Texas is semi-open, and the caucus part of it is closed.

    I posted the url to that article and it never showed up. By the way, how can I actually post a link here?

  459. SD need to be reminded of many things. I intended to do just that first thing tomorrow morning.

    Right after I discover what the hell Bambi is doing back in Chicago. 😉

  460. divabunny

    yes, please, couldyou repost it? Have spent almost an hour on last night’s thread lookng for it.

    Thanx

    BTW, did you read the source article in Time by Jay Newton-Small? Creepy how it was so prescient, and written in November!

  461. IDunn…does HRC Camp have a sniffer dog in Chicago for that visit? He’ll probably just say he is visiting his family for Valentine’s Day. Where is Michelle tomorrow?

  462. ok, this is not insider talk. This is now jsut speculation from me:

    if its true that Obama is against a Hillary-run, and he came out and said he was running for president before her…is it possible that there is someone in the Clinton campaign that leaked stuff? i mean, from what space girl posted…it doesn’t seem like Obama wanted to run right away…but sumthn must’ve motivated him…..

    and I doubt ANY idiot would run just cuz a lot of people were goading him to…he must’ve had a motive.

  463. links:

    rove article: thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

    wasnt someone asking abt info on bho’s special interests earlier?

    found this stuff: boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/

    nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin

  464. Well, I think there is really some truth to that article. It almost appears that the entire Washington media, with cross-over Republicans, have allied to prevent Hillary Clinton from getting this nomination. Yes, the media with all their corporate bosses like GE. And why?

    Because they truly fear Hillary Clinton. You see, Hillary is a true reformer, and has been so from the start. All of her life, passionately working for these issues that affect peoples lives. Hillary Clinton is the only one who might win the presidency, and actually DO something to change the direction of this country; to break the stranglehold that corporate America has on us.

  465. I want to correct one thing I said above namely that women who vote for Obama are goddam fools. The truth is more nuanced.

    If women vote for him because he is meterasexual or our first female president as Governor Kaine’s wife fantasized then I stand by what I said. In that case Allen Baldwin and I are leaving the country (or renewing our passport and threatening to leave the country) if he gets anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    But if women vote for him for some other reason, then it may be our fault for failing to point out the shabby way he treats Hillary (stare, glare and turned back) and why the very act of a woman breaking that ultimate glass ceiling may improve the standing of all women in society. For example, it may help them be fairly considered for a job opportunity, be treated more equally in a social situation, or simply be listened to and taken seriously despite cultural norms.

    Single women understand that to a fare thee well because they stand on their own. Whereas women who are safely ensonsed in a secure marriage may bedisinclined to rock the boat (are you listening Andrea Mitchell?). What they need to realize is that the comfortable situation they are in now could always change, in which case they would be in a better position to fend for themselves if that final glass ceiling is broken. Once they agree that a woman president would be a good thing for them, then they need to understand what Hillary has had to go through here, and if it does not occur here and now there may not be another opportunity for a woman President in our lifetime.(So there is your argument to Republican women).

  466. MJS wrote: but sumthn must’ve motivated him…..

    Duh. Can you say wingnut money? The guy came close to outfundraising the arguably best Democratic fund raiser of all time.

    Those of us in NY are no strangers to seeing Hillary’s opponents enjoying tons of wingnut cash. I’ve mentioned it before, but I think that Ghoulliani took them to the cleaners twice. Once when he threatened to run against Hillary as Senator, then again when he was the presumptive frontrunner against her Presidential run. Did he even spend ANY money on actual campaigning?

  467. does HRC Camp have a sniffer dog in Chicago for that visit?

    I’m sure they keep a close eye on his movements. Alot of local journalists (and others) no doubt watch him with interest also. No insider info, just an educated guess.

  468. I doubt that because Bill himself said he had no idea that Hillary was planning to run. She never said anything to him until just before she announced it publicly.

  469. emjay,

    Yes the Time article is quite informative. Obama hires republican professionals to organize these Red state caucuses and pile up delegates. He’s got ex-Bush staffers working for his campaign. It’s kind of creepy.

  470. Tareli, true in fact, but speculation has been there from the moment she got in the Senate. HOWEVER, that being said, he DID jump her on announcement, so maybe a mole is there. But sheesh…

  471. LOL Idunn. But GD this guy and MSM…the faithful would be SO disenchanted if they really knew “Loyal Bushies” were arranging the seating

  472. Well, I’ve been looking closely at exit polling in this campaign, and in the open primaries there is this consistent 6, 7, 8% Republican vote. I just can’t believe that they’re truly motivated by BO’s message. That’s why these primaries in Wisconsin and Ohio scare me. For Wisconsin, you can register up till the day of the primary. For Ohio, I think the cutoff is 30 days prior, which feels a little safer.

  473. If you look at the numbers coming out of Virginia, there was overall 8% republicans, and they went like 80% percent for Obama. That 8% vote explains why it was such a blowout and her outperformed the polls.

    Sheesh, to quote Hillary: “There is so much at stake in this election”

  474. i have a question:

    WHAT crossover Republican supposedly INSPIRED by Obama’s message would still identify themselves as frkkn republican? :freak: