Donate and Help Make Hillary 44

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The easiest way to help the Hillary campaign right now is to donate money to help get the message out. Get family and friends to contribute too. Campaign suggestions help, calls help alot, volunteer time donated is a big contribution – but right now the quickest and easiest way to help all those campaign workers and volunteers, and Hillary, is to send some cash. Help make Hillary 44 by making a donation.

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  1. ADMIN: Please publish this info somewhere! I found this on the HillaryClinton.com Blogs this morning:

    by maddie
    2/10/2008 11:42:02 AM
    Thanks!

    Lots of organizing, phoning, door to door, GOTV activities going on in North Texas also.

    Texas is BIG state. Any outside volunteers welcome! We can provide some housing. Go to tarrant4hillary.com or call 817 877-5516 to get involved. If no answer, please leave message. We WILL get back to you.

    We LOVE Hillary!!

  2. CORRECTION:

    I read down and then saw this!

    Maybe you can confirm.

    by maddie
    2/10/2008 11:47:13 AM
    Correction to tarrant4hillary.com phone number on previous post. Corrected number is 817 887-5516.

  3. Absolutely DONATE! Have been donating $100, every two or so weeks, (sent in 2 $100 last week), ordered $132 worth of campaign signs, buttons, for my family here in Texas. Will be making calls, doing all I can. And, by all means, $10.44 tomorrow 2/12/08 for show of unified support. Why not again try for a larger unified donation on March 3 (right after Payday) what better way to usher in Texas and Ohio than massive donation day before those two primaries, for huge morale boost as well as media coverage? Think it was good idea to have shuffling of staff, to put forth change as seen by public within Clinton campaign. Turn her loose on Virginia, Maryland, D.C. – call in favors, and remind those of often forgotten demographics that don’t make the news. The kind that state that these thousands upon thousands of older white women who vote for Hillary are not going to vote for Obama under any circumstance. A vast majority of Asian-Americans and Latinos that he thinks he will automatically draw won’t be there either. They’ll be in the Republican McCain column. Remind them that Rezko and Rove (the new R&R) haven’t even begun on Obama yet, and if they try to defeat Clinton by supporting Obama in the primaries, they are only cutting off their nose to spite their face. I understand identity politics. But now’s the time for a little reality check by Mrs. W. Let’s stay positive and know that Hillary Clinton holds the key to the future.

  4. I don;t know if this is appropriate to post things like this from the HIllary Clinton blog, but these things, I believe, are NOT SEEN by the Campaign HQ at large:

    Maybe someone here can help. You seem well-connected.

    by dystantme
    2/10/2008 12:37:26 PM
    Go Hillary! I’m so happy to have this blog to visit every day (okay, several times a day.) I can’t seem to find any of this good news in the media, so it means a lot to me and Hillary’s millions of supporters, to have a place to go. Thank you so much!

    The press is saying that we’re “jolted” by yesterday’s caucus results, which is odd because we’ve all been saying that the caucus format doesn’t favor our candidate, so yesterday was quelle surprise. I tried to caucus for Hillary yesterday in Washington State but was so overwhelmed and intimidated by the actions of the supporters for the other candidate, that I left without voting. And I’m deeply sorry for that. Hillary said she’d stand up for me when she gets to the White House, and that’s what motivated me to caucus for her, but the scene was pure partisan pandimonium. I surely miss my home state of California, and their primary vote.

    I don’t think it was ever made clear to voters in Washington that their primary vote on the 19th doesn’t count at all, it was caucus or nothing. My Mom’s senior building all believed that their absentee ballots counted and that they didn’t need to caucus. Most of them did not caucus because they did not have the stamina. That’s sad.

    Not sure if my comment will appear here on the blog, but I just wanted to say… Fight on Hillary! Keep up the amazing hard work, and stay real.

  5. Morning all
    So is Hillary not going to campaign for the states on Tuesday?I need to know so I can just stay away from the internet and news.I was virtually sick this weekend with the “Messiah”

  6. Dear Hillfans,
    This is our moment. This our time. This is our campaign.

    To help kick this fundraising ball going, I wrote something for you. When I feel the way we now do, I always feel better if I can write my feelings down. I have to apologize for it is rather long. But it is a fast read. Anyway, thanks for letting me share.

    The Case Against Electing Barak Obama

    After the 2006 November elections, the Democratic Party thought it had finally ended its long exile in the wilderness as a minority party. With a president that most Americans were deserting and a very unpopular and seemingly unwinnable war, the Democrats retook control of congress and a majority of statehouses for the first time in years. They eagerly looked forward to the 2008 election when they would reclaim the mantle as the majority party. Nobody would have anticipated the events now unfolding in the Democratic presidential primary that would destroy the best laid plans of mice and women. The spoiler came in the form of an African-American senator from Illinois named Barak Obama.

    One reason for the long dominance by Republicans has been their ability to consistently place moderates at the top of their ticket. Only twice has the far right gained control of the Party and only once with Ronald Reagan, did they go on to win a general election. This year, there is a challenge from the evangelical wing under the Reverend Governor Huckabee that will most likely end up being just that. Desperate to win an election they were supposed to lose, the GOP will rally behind the moderate and maverick Senator John McCain.

    Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats have been less successful in keeping their more radical wing out of the mainstream leadership. Since 1964, only two Democrats have been elected president and both of these were moderates. In all other elections they have lost and often by big margins. The Party has tinkered with the nomination process numerous times to give moderates an advantage, but so far it has not been as successful as the GOP. This has kept the keys of the White House out of their hands for many years. In the United States, elections are won in the center.

    This election, the insurgency campaign of Barak Obama has been able to lead the Democratic left to near victory through the use of new tactics that are nearly as creative as Jimmy Carter’s first use of the Iowa caucus to build an early insurmountable aura of momentum; something now common to all campaigns. For starters, Obama has used his base of African-Americans to win contests where they comprise a sizable portion of the primary voters. Because the Jesse Jackson campaigns of 1984 and 1988 proved that this by itself is not enough to secure the nomination, his campaign added a new innovation that promises to be used from here on out unless the Party closes the loophole.

    Borrowing a page from the early campaign of Howard Dean in 2004, he has mobilized a coalition of young NGO types and slightly older latte liberals. While Dean was unable to utilize a similar force to win Iowa and New Hampshire, Obama did Dean one better by building a political movement that was centered on his own personal charism. This is very different than the anti-war focused campaigns of Dean and McGovern. Most interesting of all, he has invented an unique election tactic, for the United States at least, whereby his core group of very dedicated followers, through sheer overexcitement that borders on coercion, can dominate a semi-democratic caucus to such a degree that voters feel intimidated if they support his opponents. As a result, he has since Iowa won almost every caucus and usually by hefty margins, even though state polls just prior to the caucuses usually show the vote to be very close. He has not done well in the large blue states that have one person -one vote secret ballot primary elections.

    It is now becoming very plain to see what must have been his underdog strategy from the start. Win the caucuses by using his new version of voter intimidation tactics and add to these, states where with large numbers of African-American voters. Since his major opponent along has been Senator Hillary Clinton, he has been joined by soft anti-feminist male voters. This combination has been giving him lots of momentum and money to set him up for a win in the last large states to seal the deal. It still remains to be seen if he can pull it off.

    But what is very clear, is that if he is able to successfully grab the nomination, the result will be the return of the Democratic Party to the wilderness. The Republicans are on the verge of nominating the not-so-very-Republican John McCain. Pitting him against the likes of Barak Obama is like putting into the same ring a heavy- weight and feather-weight boxer to duke it out. You better have a doctor in the house.

    Unlike the Democratic Party that is proud of its rainbow membership, the GOP is still the party of the white male. No one should realistically expect an over-enthusiastic response for Obama’s mixed race parentage in hard core red states. It was not all that long ago that many of these red states finally removed from the books laws against inter-racial marriage. But America has thankfully progressed much from the bad old days and this will be the least of his problems.

    More critical will be his record as the most liberal member in the US Senate. The Republicans could possibly win on this point alone. The moderate McCain can claim to be more passionate about social issues and the environment than conservative mainstream Republicans and President Bush. At the same time he will promise to hold down spending and taxes. Obama will have little room to maneuver on tax and spend issues. If he moves to the center, he will be accused of flip-flopping and risks losing some of his base to the likes of a possible Ralph Nader candidacy. Staying to the left will seal his fate. Additionally, his admission of hard drug use will not exactly be the kind of role model that red state parents will want occupying the White House. Nor will it go down well with family-centered Hispanics who are battling to keep their own youth away from the stuff.

    Some in the Democratic leadership are fantasizing that Senator Obama can win the independent vote based on their support of him in the primaries. This should be made very clear. Senator Obama is not an independent but a liberal. Senator McCain is the bona fide independent. When faced with a choice between one of their own in the form of John McCain and the very liberal Obama, most will go with the former. The last Democrat to get a good slice of the independent vote at a general election was moderate Bill Clinton.

    But the real KO will come from a different punch. John McCain’s record is stellar. There are few people in the GOP today who can match this man’s life. Even his astonishing come-from-behind victory in the primary election only boosted further his reputation as someone who can be everyone’s American hero. In stark contrast, if he wins the nomination, Senator Obama will be running as one of the youngest persons ever with the exception of JFK. Unlike Kennedy, he can not even claim years of experience at the national level or in the military. Most people would agree that the times we live in are some of the most dangerous and difficult since WWII. In the end, voters will be asked if they feel safe giving this young inexperienced senator supreme control of America’s military might. They will undoubtedly feel much better if McCain is in charge.

    If the Democrats have any chance at all this year in beating Hero McCain, their best bet is with Senator Hillary Clinton. Her coalition of women, moderates, Hispanics, Asian and Jewish Americans, and what is left of the New Deal-Lunch Bucket Democrats, is this year’s real innovation for the Democrats and could be enough to give her wins in red-blue swing states like Florida, Ohio, New Mexico and Missouri. This coalition will make certain the Democrats remain competitive in must-win places like California, New York, and New Jersey. Because of the good relations the African-American community enjoyed with President Bill Clinton, it’s a safe bet to assume they will turn out for Hillary if she is the nominee. Clinton could lose the latte liberals to a Ralph Nader, but otherwise they will choose a moderate Democrat over a moderate Republican. In addition, exit polls are saying that most Democratic voters see Clinton as the best commander-in-chief. Running against McCain, this is going to count for much more than the Yes-We-Can mantras of the Obama campaign.

    For Obama the prospects of healing the rifts in his own party after a long protracted and bruising primary battle are not good if he wins. It can not be taken for granted that Hispanics, moderates, and maybe some women voters will be supporting him. Obama will have a particularly difficult time winning Hispanics who have voted with Clinton in the primaries. There is a history of animosity between African-Americans and Latinos in some places and Republicans have been making steady gains with them. Many women will come away from the campaign feeling the sting from his fights with Hillary Clinton. He has done little during the election so far to reach out to women voters. Many moderate Democrats will vote for McCain over Obama if national security and experience are a concern. And unlike Clinton, Obama may need to fight to keep the Florida and Michigan delegations from being seated at the convention. If he does, he will most certainly lose these critical states in November.

    If the Democrats are insistent on choosing Senator Obama as its presidential nominee, it will result in one the biggest routes in American politics. Not only will the electoral college result rank among the record losing campaigns of McGovern and Mondale, but it is very possible that the percentage of the popular vote will the lowest ever for any major party since Taft in 1916. Dragging down with him will be any chance for increasing the gains for Democrats in the House and Senate and is conceivable that they may lose one or more of these. By the end of the general election, senate and house Democrats will be running against their own presidential candidate in an attempt to not get swamped in the McCain landslide

    If I were the Democratic Party leadership, Barak Obama, and African-Americans, I would be praying fervently for a Clinton nomination right now. For the Party, they face the risk of losing all they gained just two years ago and any chance of returning to the status of America’s majority party. The defeat in November of candidate Obama will be of such catastrophic proportions that it will set the party back for an entire political generation. Republicans know this and are already reportedly supporting Obama in state caucuses and primaries where crossover voting is permitted. For Senator Obama, his best prospects are to lose narrowly to Clinton. Time is on his side. This will earn him a ticket to the front of the line for the next one and give him time to gain needed experience and move to the center. He should know by now that his nomination will only set him up for an uneven contest with Senator McCain that he can not win. And if he loses big, there will be no second chance. His presidential prospects will be over. And sadly, it will be a long time before the Party seriously considers nominating another African-American.

    The best hope for the entire Democratic Party in 2008 is to get behind Senator Hillary Clinton. It will give the Democrats a fighting chance in November. She is the only one who can defeat McCain. Even if she were to lose, it will be so close it will not drag down the entire Party and have little effect on Senate and House races. The major difference is this. Clinton has put together a new coalition that can provide the basis for the Democrats to become the majority Party. Obama has not built a new coalition but has pioneered a new election strategy. There is a big difference. Lets’ see if the Democrats are able to figure this out before it is too late.

  7. Paddy4Hill.

    WOW, well done. Very well thought out and convincing, and should be, to all. Have you sent this to news media, NYT, etc? Or to the Clinton campaign? Can I copy and post on other sites?

  8. SpacegirlArt

    thanks. I hope it gets more people to donate. I have just posted here so far. It is for us. I can try to post on Hillary’s blog. Please copy and paste as you please. If you do, just mention you found it on this site. Maybe it will drive more people to our site.

  9. Paddy, you call your article the case against electing Obama, but you compliment him and his campaign repeatedly! do not give an inch of support and praise! As I’ve asked others, are Obama supporters complimenting CLINTON? This side doesn’t have to be fair to the other side; is that other side being fair to this one? Is the game unbiased? Nope!

    “This election, the insurgency campaign of Barak Obama has been able to lead the Democratic left to near victory through the use of new tactics that are nearly as creative as Jimmy Carter’s first use of the Iowa caucus to build an early insurmountable aura of momentum; something now common to all campaigns.”

    –Complimentary. You make him sound indomitable. And what “near victory”? Where?

    “Obama did Dean one better by building a political movement that was centered on his own personal charism[a].”

    –Complimentary. What charisma? Where are people seeing this? Déjà vu! This is the crap people were spewing whenever Bush ran! What I think is going on now: some people are so desperate after two terrible terms of Bush, they’re grasping at any little shitting thing. It’s more that the people voting for him are SEEING charisma than that there is charisma.

    “Most interesting of all, he has invented an unique election tactic, for the United States at least, whereby his core group of very dedicated followers, through sheer overexcitement that borders on coercion, can dominate a semi-democratic caucus to such a degree that voters feel intimidated if they support his opponents.”

    –What’s so unique about this tactic? It’s called being a bullying THUG. The republicans have been doing this for years now in the U.S.. They intimidated people in Florida in 2000 in this exact same way to prevent the votes being counted, didn’t they?

    “Win the caucuses by using his new version of voter intimidation tactics”

    –Again, complimentary. And untrue too in a general sense, in my opinion. Since when are voter intimidation tactics of any kind anything new? Psychopaths, tyrants, dictators—they often use this stuff. If Obama will use this stuff while campaigning, wait till he—universe forbid—might have the powers of the presidency. (My prediction is: he’s got ties to Africa and might remove the troops from Iraq…but only to put them somewhere in Africa next. He’s NOT an African American candidate, he’s an AFRICAN American candidate. The democrats could have supported an African AMERICAN candidate, but they did not. Brainless move. I think Obama’s first allegiance is to himself and he will likely do nothing for nobody else. But what he wants to do for himself, what would make him feel good, what his agenda is is unclear still. But I strongly sense he has one. Obama is dangerous, in my opinion, because he’s likely another Bush. He can’t wait to get into the WH to put an agenda in place, and going on his behavior and attitude so far, his agenda won’t likely be a nice one. In many ways, success is a bigger test of a person’s character than failure. All this propping up people have done with Obama—he continues to behave worse and worse, to look meaner and meaner. I think his supporters have helped create a monster.)

    “This combination has been giving him lots of momentum and money to set him up for a win in the last large states to seal the deal.”

    –Nope! The MEDIA’S been TRYING to give him lots of momentum since day one. He hasn’t had “lots of momentum.”

    “Unlike the Democratic Party that is proud of its rainbow membership, the GOP is still the party of the white male.”

    –And I think the Democratic Party is still the party of the MALE, which means it’s no better. So what if some of those males aren’t white? Where’s the party of the FEMALE? Where’s the inclusive party of all HUMANITY? Females make up half this country and half this species. NO RACE MAKES UP HALF OF HUMANITY.

    “Senator Obama is not an independent but a liberal.”

    –I disagree. I really think he’s a conservative, which means he’s sooooo not progressive.

    “Even his astonishing come-from-behind victory in the primary election only boosted further his reputation as someone who can be everyone’s American hero.”

    –Nope again! Not my hero. I’m sorry for what happened to him in the past, but his actions in recent times are the opposite of admirable to me. He’s been a Bush abetter. People shouldn’t be able to coast by on something that happened years ago; who they have become TODAY is more important to me.

    “If the Democrats have any chance at all this year in beating Hero McCain, their best bet is with Senator Hillary Clinton.”

    –I agree here.

    “Many women will come away from the campaign feeling the sting from his fights with Hillary Clinton. He has done little during the election so far to reach out to women voters.”

    –In my opinion, he has shown himself to be a sexist and a misogynist. He’s a stereotypical kind of male. NO woman should be supporting him. After all is said and done, I doubt many women would in the general election.

    “The best hope for the entire Democratic Party in 2008 is to get behind Senator Hillary Clinton.”

    –Agreed!

  10. I just donated 10 bucks I will be donating more later on today since my sister asked for donations at the strip joint she work at all this weekend.She is giving the campaign all of the ones she made on stage and of course not lap dances……………

  11. Hate Springs Eternal
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    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: February 11, 2008
    In 1956 Adlai Stevenson, running against Dwight Eisenhower, tried to make the political style of his opponent’s vice president, a man by the name of Richard Nixon, an issue. The nation, he warned, was in danger of becoming “a land of slander and scare; the land of sly innuendo, the poison pen, the anonymous phone call and hustling, pushing, shoving; the land of smash and grab and anything to win. This is Nixonland.”

    Skip to next paragraph

    Paul Krugman.

    Go to Columnist Page » Blog: The Conscience of a Liberal The quote comes from “Nixonland,” a soon-to-be-published political history of the years from 1964 to 1972 written by Rick Perlstein, the author of “Before the Storm.” As Mr. Perlstein shows, Stevenson warned in vain: during those years America did indeed become the land of slander and scare, of the politics of hatred.

    And it still is. In fact, these days even the Democratic Party seems to be turning into Nixonland.

    The bitterness of the fight for the Democratic nomination is, on the face of it, bizarre. Both candidates still standing are smart and appealing. Both have progressive agendas (although I believe that Hillary Clinton is more serious about achieving universal health care, and that Barack Obama has staked out positions that will undermine his own efforts). Both have broad support among the party’s grass roots and are favorably viewed by Democratic voters.

    Supporters of each candidate should have no trouble rallying behind the other if he or she gets the nod.

    Why, then, is there so much venom out there?

    I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again.

    What’s particularly saddening is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of “Clinton rules” — the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.

    The prime example of Clinton rules in the 1990s was the way the press covered Whitewater. A small, failed land deal became the basis of a multiyear, multimillion-dollar investigation, which never found any evidence of wrongdoing on the Clintons’ part, yet the “scandal” became a symbol of the Clinton administration’s alleged corruption.

    During the current campaign, Mrs. Clinton’s entirely reasonable remark that it took L.B.J.’s political courage and skills to bring Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to fruition was cast as some kind of outrageous denigration of Dr. King.

    And the latest prominent example came when David Shuster of MSNBC, after pointing out that Chelsea Clinton was working for her mother’s campaign — as adult children of presidential aspirants often do — asked, “doesn’t it seem like Chelsea’s sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?” Mr. Shuster has been suspended, but as the Clinton campaign rightly points out, his remark was part of a broader pattern at the network.

    I call it Clinton rules, but it’s a pattern that goes well beyond the Clintons. For example, Al Gore was subjected to Clinton rules during the 2000 campaign: anything he said, and some things he didn’t say (no, he never claimed to have invented the Internet), was held up as proof of his alleged character flaws.

    For now, Clinton rules are working in Mr. Obama’s favor. But his supporters should not take comfort in that fact.

    For one thing, Mrs. Clinton may yet be the nominee — and if Obama supporters care about anything beyond hero worship, they should want to see her win in November.

    For another, if history is any guide, if Mr. Obama wins the nomination, he will quickly find himself being subjected to Clinton rules. Democrats always do.

    But most of all, progressives should realize that Nixonland is not the country we want to be. Racism, misogyny and character assassination are all ways of distracting voters from the issues, and people who care about the issues have a shared interest in making the politics of hatred unacceptable.

    One of the most hopeful moments of this presidential campaign came last month, when a number of Jewish leaders signed a letter condemning the smear campaign claiming that Mr. Obama was a secret Muslim. It’s a good guess that some of those leaders would prefer that Mr. Obama not become president; nonetheless, they understood that there are principles that matter more than short-term political advantage.

    I’d like to see more moments like that, perhaps starting with strong assurances from both Democratic candidates that they respect their opponents and would support them in the general election.

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  12. sorry Fran. There is no way I can reach perfection in this lifetime. I just do my best and leave the rest to fate. It was meant to stir the unconverted to their senses and not to be preaching to the choir.

  13. Fran, I’m with you. I haven’t been all that impressed by BO either. I asked yesterday why so many on this board are in awe of him and his campaign. He has support from the latte crowd, AAs, younger voters, and of course the media establishment. Even with the fawning coverage outside of his home state the only important win he has is Missouri. Hillary kicks his butt in major state primaries when the democratic base shows up droves. I just wish more people here would give her and her campaign credit for what they’ve accomplished and stop buying the hype.

  14. if you want to see my more 100% pure pro-Hillary stuff, please see my other entries on previous days. nuff said.

  15. paddy4hill,
    You mentioned something about when push comes to shove the superdelegtes going to Hillary. Can you give more details on that?

  16. We’re in agreement, nikki. And–

    “I just wish more people here would give her and her campaign credit for what they’ve accomplished and stop buying the hype.”

    –Me too, I’m going to have to stop reading here otherwise. I could get that stuff elsewhere.

    This very same stuff happened with BUSH, with the supposed other side helping spread his pro-Bush propaganda. And, again, I was saying these same things, and, again, few people listened, and, again, here americans are in the same shitty position making the same mistakes. That most likely won’t change until people stop tolerating the intolerable.

  17. I wrote to the Clinton Senate Offices today because the website is SO behind the curve. NO POSTS have been added since 10:48 last night. The headlines are old and the “Voting Irregularities” button has vanished. At least from any OBVIOUS page. There are numerous pleas for help FROM the campaign volunteers and other grass-rooters, and NOT ONE of the blogs I posted yesterday directing people here was posted.

    I also wrote to John Edwards and the DNC.

    I was glad to see Paul Krugman’s article today too. I am not watching the news but I did hear Jonah Goldberg call Obama’s rhetoric “gassy, hope and change” I will keep on keepin on and doing all I can for Hillary. She is the BEST and we need to have her win.

  18. Come on, Paddy! You started your post with “Dear Hillfans” and then SAID you wrote it for us here. Now you’re saying you didn’t, but instead wrote it for not-Hillfans? But, honestly, who you wrote it for DOESN’T matter. My point is: you’re repeating the other side’s spin publicly, you’re advertising it more, you’re giving it even more attention, when I think it’s already received TOO MUCH.

    I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. I’m trying to counteract the spin/propaganda I keep seeing here, no matter who posts it. Guess I’m wasting most of my breath though.

  19. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the majority of democrats(including Michigan and Florida) have voted for HRC, she’s won where she was supposed to, and she has more superd’s supporting her. Mark Penn, who I generally don’t like, said Hillary and the campaign expected BO to do well in Feb (caucus states, upperincome dems). This is the wine drinkers month. However, we Budweiser fans will have the last say.

  20. Basil, I don’t know how he got mine either.

    We exchanged a very few, and when I asked him who exactly he was, this is what he wrote:

    My point was largely to get what you wrote back first, or to get any
    rebuttals to what I wrote. Clinton supporters rarely give me reasons.
    You did, and I REALLY appreciate that. Obama supporters tend more to
    have bad reasons.

    The more I know about how he screws up and loses votes (and how people
    who aren’t for him perceive that), the more I’ll be able to learn from
    this process. Conversion would have been nice, but wasn’t what I was
    aiming for. I did want someone to TRY to convert me, and you made some
    solid points.

    I am probably a future policy maker, but am in college right now
    pretending . I’m sorry I didn’t share that
    upfront, but I was fearful of being typecast, as many Obama supporters
    seem to be these days.

    Again, thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time.

    -Will

  21. Good morning to the real Hillfans (you know who you are). It’s sad that Big Pink is becoming a pseudo-Obama site with all the new “alleged” Hillary supporters bringing in their handwringing and negativity. We’ve had more than enough “unity” talk. Fran hits the nail on the head when she says we don’t need to praise Caesar.

    Some of our new visitors here seem to be more interested in promoting their own ideas than supporting our candidate for president, which is supposed to be why we are here — to support Hillary and each other.

    Sorry. It had to be said .. let the smoke and mirrors show resume.

  22. Good morning Hillfans,

    Exactly nikki22. That is why the sky is not falling for me when Obama wins all these undemocratic caucuses because it was expected by the Hillary camp. February isn’t going to be Hill’s month and I know that and they know that. BTW does anyone know what Hill’s chances are in Wisonsin? It’s not a caucus is it?

  23. says he is with the Roosevelt Institution.org. That part didn’t post here.

    A student think tank. I have not been through their entire website yet to see their bent.

  24. Update;

    Duh!!!!! Just figured out the Will Slack mystery. Apparently the user names in purple are links, some of which have contact info. The email he sent to me was also sent to spacegirl and fran.
    thing is, I just started posting a couple of weeks ago and i didn’t realize my link would show up.

    Anyway….we’re being data-mined.

  25. In my opinion, that Will person’s a fake. Those emails were calculated to peel support from Clinton, to learn how that could be done, to learn more about how Clinton supporters feel about Obama. He had no intention of not supporting Obama. He’s from their camp.

  26. Fran, I believe that too. I didn’t tell him WHY I supported Clinton, that was MY business, but I did blast him with the messianic hype. His arguments FOR supporting Bambi on POLICY are HORRIBLE, IMO, and he had no chance of converting me, and I told him so. Will is a fake, just like Obama.

  27. See also this article from Stanley Fish from NY Times about the irrational Hillary hatred and bias:

    fish.blogs.nytimes.com/?8qa&scp=1-spot&sq=stanley+fish&st=nyt

  28. How did Hillary win key city wards?
    BOSSES | Pledges for Obama fall short: Clinton, Alvarez ‘were just very popular with Latinos and women’

    Interesting story from Chicago Sun-Times:

    suntimes.com/news/elections/787281,CST-NWS-dems11.article

  29. paddy, please consider sending this to Huffingtonpost or some other mainstream venue so it gets a bigger read.. Please!

    ———
    paddy4Hill Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 7:19 am

    Dear Hillfans,
    This is our moment. This our time. This is our campaign.

    To help kick this fundraising ball going, I wrote something for you. When I feel the way we now do, I always feel better if I can write my feelings down. I have to apologize for it is rather long. But it is a fast read. Anyway, thanks for letting me share.

    The Case Against Electing Barak Obama

  30. Nikki22,

    I know that there are some who believe that the Party establishment is pushing for Obambi to get the nod in Denver. If either one of the two has enough delegates on their own going into Denver, (and this is why FL and MI are important) this is a non-issue. But if not, then the Party has to decide who wins and they have their role to play. There are certainly some who are pushing for him, but I still believe that the majority still want Hillary, especially since McCain is going to be on the opposing ticket. They will be looking for excuses to help her and not the opposite. She would have had to really mess up big time (lose the last big states and lose them big) for them to give it to Obambi , and you can mark my word here and now, she is not going to do that. Trust me on that one. Of course, his friends in the party are starting to make lots of noise, but I am sorry but this is not a caucus and your bullying tactics are not going to work in Denver Mr Obambi. Your thugs are going to have to wait outside while the party makes its decision. Why? Because there is too much power and money at stake. Too many folks in DC have been waiting for years for a good job and they are not willing to risk it on some Yes-We-Can BS.

  31. paddy4hill,

    I’m not the delegate expert on the board, but won’t HRC have the most delegates when she wins OH,TX,PA with or without including the Florida and Michigan delegates? I do think they will be seated because I can’t imagine the DNC being that stupid. Ticking off Michigan and especially Florida is a really, really, really BAD IDEA.

  32. Thanks, Fran..

    This place is seriously infested with Obamamoles.. You’ve got to get admin to start culling and locking the info grabbers out of here fast.

    I will contact ADMIN with a closed site I can give you we created months ago for discussing plans and strategies not for Obama camp eyes.

    Our posters are true and tested loyalist… Let outsiders contact you via e-mail and you decide the validity of info and converse with the Trusted on this site. Under no circumstances give th eweb address to unknows or outsides. The fewer the people the better the security.

    I have compiled a list of people here I think are “moles” will pass it along to ADMIN for a second opinion.

    Shut the windows and lock the doors of info from the enemy…

    Mrs. S.

  33. I always love when my detailed points get ignored…. I’m not doing this yet again, as I did for most of the past eight years. Pointing out the propaganda, saying not to spread the propaganda…only to be largely ignored and then watch people go on to spread the propaganda.

    I’m a writer. I’ve written a lot here. How come I don’t get calls for my material to be passed around? I’m sick of this being ignored shit. (Though thanks a bunch for the compliments from several people here!)

    …But then that’s not why I’m here. I don’t want anything of mine to appear on HuffingobamaPost anyway.

    I’m here because I think the U.S. has been dancing on the slippery edge of a giant toilet bowl for eight years now, and it’s about to slip and be flushed down the hole. I live here. And I don’t want to be flushed.

  34. Fran,

    You are not wasting your breath nor have you hurt my feelings. We are not supposed to be non-thinking drones just because we want Hillary Clinton to be the next President. We all come from different places and have our own unique ways of feeling and expressing our emotions. I do not want to start imitating the other side’s blind worship of their idol or adopt their bullying techniques when having a difference in opinion. I am hoping we are the ones who use the brains we have been given. And please no need for people on this site to start intimidating folks. Sounds like typical men stuff if you ask me.

  35. I am sorry if I did something wrong. As a newbie here I asked the protocol. I have been supporting HRC for ever, in words, in deeds (13 years as a Red Cross Volunteer in Disaster Services) and as an early giver to the campaign. I am not rich, I am an independent artist and I hate what the media has done in the election primary. I want to help, not hurt. I will take contact info off. I didn’t know it was NOT supposed to be there.

  36. Nikki22,

    yes, Hillary should have the most unless they try to cheat us out of FL and MI. So all this should be moot. But that is the point. Those guys are turning out to be bigger crooks than little Bush and his pirates. They will try to rip off Fl and MI. But then they will lose the election. What a bunch of dopes!

  37. hi all
    i would not worry too much about will. trying to change the minds of a few people already committed to hillary is not a productive use of time.
    and.. this has been a public site for some time. i think it’s better that way, just my opinion, but i figure if there is concern about other campaign reading it.. well sure they likely are keeping an eye on it. but if this was moved to a closed forum, admin surely doesn’t know who most of us anonymous people are & if someone was a journalist or from obama camp, what if they would get access to a forum we all thought was closed. as it is now i am just mindful of the fact that everything i post is public and may be read by big media (hi Ben!) and team obama.

  38. Fran, B. Merry, I don’t want to start a conversation on this but I will just say this and leave it that. As strong Hillary supporters we don’t need any coaxing but we should also be thinking about how we will convince someone sitting on the fence (I am sure many of them lurk here). paddy4Hill has written a very insightful piece about what is going on and what will happen if it does not go our way. That second part is important to talk about now when we can actually do something about it rather than handwringing later. I for one freely talk about the dangers of his nomination and how his candidacy is inherently lacking to secure a win in GE — at some point we have to accept that his campaign is real and the delegate count is real and think about how we can bring him down in spite of that. Paddy’s piece will stop people (may be even his supporters) in their tracks and take a second look at the consequence of their decision. If they do, to that extent we have helped Hillary (and also because paddy makes a case for why Hillary is a winner in the GE). These are talking points for us to use against people who challenge us.

  39. Blind worship??? I for one have NO blind worship of Clinton; I’ve always liked her but she’s another human being like the rest of us. I’ve criticized her in the past because I don’t agree with her on everything, but I absolutely support her for a number of reasons. And will hold her feet to the fire that she tries to enact at least some of the stuff she’s promised (UHC–haven’t had health insurance for years and years, and I’ve not been well for a long time since I ruined my health eons ago, I don’t like the modern medical system, but I’m sick of worrying that one car accident for me or my husband or both and I’ll lose everything I have to a hospital bill and be on the street). But then I’m pretty positive she will.

    In my opinion, protecting your own space from outside invasion isn’t bullying; it’s being defensive, it’s being sensible. This is supposed to be Clinton’s space for Clinton’s supporters. Why should Obama supporters be welcome, why should repeated proObama propaganda be welcome? That’s bad strategy in my book.

  40. Ok, Ok. Lets stop quarreling about the piece I wrote. I am glad there are some who like it and am fine that others find fault. This is only natural. thank you all for just taking the time to read it. I am deeply honored. but I will be happier after Hillary wins her next states.

  41. At MyDD, Jerome Armstrong asks a question that is devastating for Obama and let me quote:

    “I have heard Clinton’s many times, and its been played out in the Democratic nomination battle. She’ll take an unprecedented high level of women and Latino majorities into winning all (or nearly all) the states that John Kerry (and/or Al Gore) won, and add in: Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Florida. Maybe there are some other states, but if we just add those 42 electoral votes to the Democratic column, Clinton would win.

    I really only have a single issue: winning. I believe that if more Democrats win, a more progressive agenda will be enacted, and we can make democratic-stronghold challenges in primaries with more progressive candidates (Donna Edwards is gonna beat Wynn, for example).

    But what is Barack Obama’s winning coalition of states that puts him over 270 electoral votes?

    The Obama campaign makes the case:

    On Super Tuesday, in six red states that had primaries or caucuses for both Republicans and Democrats, Obama won and got more votes than the top two Republicans combined. These states – Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Missouri, North Dakota and South Carolina – account for a total of 53 Electoral College votes. In Idaho and Kansas, where there was no Republican primary, Obama won at least a three-to-one victory over Clinton.

    That’s not serious. To quote North Dakota, where a total of 18,000 or so voted in the Democratic caucus, as proof that Obama could win the state is laughable. That sort of logic puts Nebraska, which had a similar total, and voted for Obama, also in the Democratic column for Obama in November.

    Seriously, how does Obama get past 270, state by state? Independents you say, then where, which state?”

    What say you?

  42. paddy,
    So Hillary would need for MI & FL to be counted in order for her to have the delegate lead even with wins in OH etc?

  43. # paddy4Hill Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Nikki22,

    yes, Hillary should have the most unless they try to cheat us out of FL and MI. So all this should be moot. But that is the point. Those guys are turning out to be bigger crooks than little Bush and his pirates. They will try to rip off Fl and MI. But then they will lose the election. What a bunch of dopes!
    —————–

    my sense is that won’t happen. There is much too much grassroots support for Hillary. We may not be loud like his supporters but we are watching. And the super delegates are watching too. My speculation is that they are thinking along the lines of what you wrote and will back Hillary in the end. (if they are pigheaded and cheat us out of FL and MI, they won’t win the GE, and they know it.)

  44. yes let’s not argue.
    thanks for whoever linked chicago sun times piece. that is *astonishing* that heavily latino wards *in chicago* did not vote for their own senator.

    once again, latino voters will be crucial to winning this election in november. let’s see what happens in maryland and virginia tomorrow with latino vote, i bet it’s the same way.

  45. nikki22, I think if Hillary wins Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, Indiana, and North Carolina she will be ahead in delegatesregardless of Florida and Michigan in my opinion. It all depends on her margin. She will eb ahead for sure in the popular vote. Absentee ballots are still being counted in California and when all said and done her popular vote lead will grow.

  46. TPS,
    Jerome Armstrong is one of the rare bloggers who get it and doesn’t believe BO’s you know what doesn’t stink. He hit the nail on the head. The idea that Obama is even electable let alone more electable than Hillary is laughable. I know some of you here think his race would do him in before a single vote was cast, but I believe racism would only play a small role in why he’d lose. BO is untested in political combat, he doesn’t appeal to core democratic base voters, and he has no foreign policy experience. That fact that he’s had any success at all simply confirms for me that certain elements within the democratic party are out to lunch.

  47. TPS Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    At MyDD, Jerome Armstrong asks a question that is devastating for Obama and let me quote:
    ——————–

    Great! People are talking about “quality” of his wins.

  48. nikki22

    I think we should be OK even minus FL MI. But those two states can be used as back ups. Don’t you agree? After all, a win is a win fair and square. I voted in FL and I want my vote to count!

  49. pm,
    You know its sad when Karl freaking Rove sees the writing on the wall w/ BO but a lot of liberals don’t. Obama has won these caucuses where only a few thousand people show up and to top it off his “wins” are in states that will NEVER go blue in Nov.

  50. paddy4hill, I just read your piece. Honestly, I don’t think it is positive towards Obama at all. You make it very clear that he would be a disaster for the party and urge voters to choose Hillary. It is a well written article without being over the top. It is clear to me when you refer to his successful campaign tactics that you don’t approve of them. Your description is that of a dispassionate historical observer just documenting the thuggish tactics he and his supporters have used. I wasn’t offended at all.

    No need to apologize!

  51. I am in Beijing. I found this Hillary stuff on an Asian blog site. I thought you might all enjoy it.

    でも、ヒラリーの後ろを歩くビル・クリントン・・なんかこの2人の力関係が面白い。。

    But then there’s Bill Clinton, who walks behind Hillary … The power relationship between those two is somehow interesting…

    (in Asia, the women always walk behind the man. Way to go Hillary! my notes)

    私はアメリカ在住時に、夫の通う大学院の教室で、ヒラリーを見た事があるので、(当時、ファーストレディーとして特別講演に来ていたのです。ヒラリーを見に大学の廊下で待ち伏せしていたら、大学の先生が教室に入れてくれたのです。)個人的にはヒラリーを応援しています。選挙権がある訳ではないので、大きな事は言えないのですが、「女性初のアメリカ大統領」の誕生に期待を抱きます。

    When I was a U.S. resident, I had a chance to see Hillary once in the classroom of the graduate school that my husband was attending, and so personally I support Hillary. (At that time, she had come to give a special speech as the First Lady. When I was waiting to see her in the university corridor, university teachers let me come into a classroom.) I don’t have the right to vote, so I can’t really same much, but I hold hopes for the coming of the “first female American president.”

  52. Good morning.

    I’m irritated to the point of pulling my hair out.

    We really need to just start punching and end this thing now. If I even have to look at Bambi one more time, I’m going to lose it. If I hear the words “hope” “change”, “and “unity” one more time I am going to pour draino in my ears! And if have to try to inject one more ounce of reason into the minds of americans, I will pull out a gun and blow my own friggin’ head off!

    I have never in my life been so sick of American Politics.

  53. nikki22, with Obama on the ticket there is real danger we will lose New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Michigan, Wisconsin, and New Mexico among the states Kerry won in 2004. Obama does not bring any new state into play.

    With Hillary there is a very good chance that we would win Florida, Arkansas, Arizona, and Tennessee in addition to the states Kerry won in 2004. That alone will win us the presidency.

  54. thanks TPS. Yes, I really really do not approve of what he is doing. I did not write down what I would have liked to have said about his campaign. It would have been too crass for polite society.

  55. Good Morning,

    I’m from Canada. I’ve tried to post here before but have been unsuccessful. I will try again.

    I just wanted to wish all of you the best of luck. Hillary Clinton would make an amazing president and I hope she wins the nomination.

  56. On a conference call to prepare for a recent debate, Barack Obama brainstormed with his top advisers on the fine points of his positions. Michelle Obama had dialed in to listen, but finally couldn’t stay silent any longer.

    “Barack,” she interjected, “Feel — don’t think!” Telling her husband his “over-thinking” during past debates had tripped him up with rival Hillary Clinton, she said: “Don’t get caught in the weeds. Be visceral. Use your heart — and your head.”

    Does this mean that even Michelle knows Bambi can’t win a debate against HRC? LOL!

  57. nikki22 Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 9:57 am
    ———
    Rove, and others in the media are just cacophony — if this primary has shown anything so far, it is that none of the usual metrics apply. There is a silent majority for Hillary that will come through at the end — I feel this strongly.

  58. JanH, welcome to our blog. This is our refuge from the big bad media where we share our joy and misery. Hillary would indeed make an amazing president. She is also the only one who can beat McCain.

  59. I was offline most of yesterday afternoon. What happened with Patti Solis Doyle? I got that she’s finally been replaced with Maggie Williams but not much else. I hate wading through the cestpool that is the MSM trying to get good information so if any of you have some links I can go to I’d really appreciate it.

  60. Idunn, I would say not too bad and overall optimistic about Hillary’s chances for this nomination and in the fall. Why are you twisted?

  61. Morning everyone!

    Hey, looks like the anti-Hillary backlash is starting to get some traction, with Admin’s posts here and TM’s site (Halpiern). I have a good feeling about this Tuesday.

  62. Okay, starting on my coffee, then I need to make calls.

    Anyone read anything interesting enough for me to bother reading?

  63. nikki22, there is a very good post at Marc Ambinder about the ins and outs about Patti. Summary: She was finding the work exhausting and missed her little kids and will travel by Hillary’s side more and be a surrogate for her. Maggi will run the day-to-day campiagn operations. Patti and Maggi are close friends. No one was fired and no one was asked to leave.

  64. I don’t quite know how to post this tidbit tossed around to me this morning by a white male.

    Loyal Order of the Masons..

    think about the white male vote is a problem.

  65. I’ll just add that if your general election was made up totally of caucas(sp?) voting then Hillary’s opposition might have a chance. As it isn’t, then no worries!

    The media has tarnished its image not only in your country but elsewhere. How sad.

  66. Also, some encouraging signs that the personality cult of BO is starting to implode. Looking for it to burn out, infatuation does eventually.

  67. Yes IDunn:

    Check out Paul Krugman’s column in NY times today.

    Also Stanley Fish’s blog column in NY times (both have to do with unfair media coverage and irrational Hillary hate).

    Jerome Armstrong at MyDD asks a devastating question of how Obama can put together 270 electoral votes.

    Check out angelachal blog on the sexisim rampant in big progressive blogs.

  68. Paddy4Hill – Just my two cents worth: I wish I could have written your article. You did an excellent job. This needs to be crossed posted anywhere you can. For the record, I don’t see anything that is really complimentary of Obama other than acknowledging what he has done, right or wrong, to get where he is. There is nothing wrong with pointing out the other side’s strength(s). In fact, as an attorney, who has to write appellate briefs arguing my client’s side of the story, I use that mechanism. If you want a reader to listen to you, to read your words, to take your opinions seriously, to give pause for thought, you do not pull out all the guns and fire and demand that your side is the right side. There are two sides to every story. For whatever it is worth, the Clinton campaign has made some serious mistakes. For what it is worth, the media has taken Obama’s story up and pushed it. These are the realities.

    True HRC supporters need to take a deep breath. I have said it before and I will continue to say it. We need to make a commitment to do five things a day for HRC. Also we need to consider joining with other HRC supporters to have our voices heard. We need to write, to post, to support. What we do not need to do is complain, moan and groan constantly nor do we need to bite at each other. We need to have respect for our opinions. If you are not a HRC supporter – go somewhere else.

  69. Jan, do Canadians have the same problem with the media that we have here? Totally biased? Playing at influencing people? More interested in the likes of Britney and Anna Nicole than providing REAL information?

  70. Idunn,
    TM’s site has a great piece about Halpiern’s 10 points for Hillary to win in Feb, also his video defending her is great.

  71. also, does anyone think that if the media pundits think HRC is down…and can’t be kicked any more…they will move on to fresh meat.

  72. Psymac, the general public is beginning to see through it faster than the big media (I bet those morons come here and look at our comments all the time).

  73. AmericanGal Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    Wow, Hillary is going to give a talk in the classroom of a famous Virginia professor, Larry Sabato Jr., who has been highly critical of her!
    ———–

    this is really great! I think she will dazzle those students with her brilliance. Would be nice if we can get a video of it (Sabato’s connection is good — having seen him as a fledgling prof at UVA, he has come a long way!) — I hope he goes on to do interviews tonight talking about it — will help in VA.

  74. dot48, I don’t underestimate the irrational hatred of big media. It is just that they are becoming a parody by being so over the top.

  75. dot48: I think they will move on if they don’t think they can get any more mileage out of her. Unfortunately, while I wish for that the Clintons are the only people in America who can be sliced and diced on a daily basis and the audience still demands more red meat. And they give it to them. It is a psychological phenomenon that I just can’t explain.

  76. Good Morning Hillfans,
    Caroline, quite a few posts back I read that you asked about Wisconsin. I live in South Milwaukee and the most recent poll I could find – ARG – Clinton 50 BO 41 He was at 19 but that was an older poll.
    I get the impression, from all the calls I have gotten from BO workers, that Bo is getting very organized here. One of the pundits this morning said that he would probably win Wisconsin, but what does he know?
    Hillary started earlier here with her organizing I think, but it seems that the rabid BO supporters are in a new frenzy with organization and drive. Madison is a hotbed of Obama support, with the U of W there, and here in Milwaukee there are several colleges, Marquette U and U of Milwaukee. Big youth vote.
    I have been volunteering as much as I can, but I am a poll worker for our Feb. 19th primary so will not be able to help with GOTV on election day. That’s the latest from Wisconsin.

  77. Idunn,

    I think media unprofessionalism is rampant everywhere. The media tries to sway our populace in any way they can. Fortunately, at least I hope, most of us are skeptical of what they try to do and take it with a grain of salt. Our youth aren’t really engaged when it comes to politics. We are more divided in our views by geography…i.e. liberals in the east and
    conservatives in the west.

  78. nikki22, with Obama on the ticket there is real danger we will lose New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Michigan, Wisconsin, and New Mexico among the states Kerry won in 2004. Obama does not bring any new state into play.

    With Hillary there is a very good chance that we would win Florida, Arkansas, Arizona, and Tennessee in addition to the states Kerry won in 2004. That alone will win us the presidency.

    heck, all we need are kerry states plus ohio OR florida. hillary can pick up missouri, arkansas, nm and colorado and nevada in play too. arizona no chance w/mccain the opponent. as some mydd posters argued, obama’s stance on gun control alone is going to lose him the entire south at least including florida. some obama people over there are thinking he puts very red states like north dakota, georgia, kansas in play?! esp very red states where he won dem primary caucus w/small percentage of voters turning out? not gonna happen. north dakota in 2004: 196,651 bush, 111,052 kerry. obama might win that? HA. jerome asks a GREAT question and it might be nice rhetoric from obama that he doesn’t want to win just 51% etc, but let’s look at the business facts, can he win kerry states plus florida or ohio, even? can he?

  79. It is a psychological phenomenon that I just can’t explain.

    I can explain it. We’ve become a country which thrives on hate. We love nothing better than to tear down a public figure and watch them burn. Britney Spears is a messed up girl. Do we leave her alone to get the help she needs. Uh uh. Why? Because it’s more fun to fan the flames and watch her burn. And we (media being the match and us being the fan) loved the Clinton witch hunt of the 90’s. Wooo Hoooo…watch em burn. And when they didn’t burn? When not one damned thing was ever proved against them, we just decided to keep the embers glowing and say they were guilty anyway. NO such thing as anyone being truly innocent in this country anymore. We’d rather believe the worst of EVERYONE, because then it’s fun to watch em roast.

    Sickening.

  80. And this BS about BO being the latte candidate for the upper middle class, very liberal, and highly educated voter and all that is ridiculous.

    I am all that and I’m not infected with Obamaphilia. But hey, I don’t go to college anymore and I think Starbucks is silly expensive. I run a small business grounded in the day to day reality of working life. So that means that only HRC in my opinion is absolutely the right person for the job.

  81. the mrs. good luck on your poll work. Wisconsin may be a tough state for Hillary but we shall see. There is a nice article in Milwaukee Journal Sentinel by Craig Gilbert (local reporter) on the state fo this race and the demographics of Wisconsin:

    http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=716415

    You might have seen it. It is good article and I recommend it to everyone.

  82. Morning all!!

    I think we should push this narrative of ‘Cult of Personality’!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mention it as often as possible, everywhere. People will connect the dots and see that this is what it has become! And they wont like it I’m sure.

    Hi Ben, you should write a post about this!!! CULT OF PERSONALITY!

  83. TPS,Psymac-A lot of people have woken up and many more will see through the BS. It took me a while to finally get it. The sad truth is that journalists and pundits who reside in DC and NYC have a different world view than me and most Americans. Most of them have attended ivy league schools, live in the same neighborhoods (Georgetown, upperwest side of newyork), and travel in the same cocktail party circuit. They’re elites and they bring those biases to the job. They’re out of touch and don’t even realize it. Kinda sad when you think about it.

  84. Paddy4Hill, I think the article you posted was awesome! I especially had a good laugh at this part:

    “Pitting him against the likes of Barak Obama is like putting into the same ring a heavy- weight and feather-weight boxer to duke it out. You better have a doctor in the house.”

    Very well written!

    I said, “Yeah!” in my head more than once.

  85. I’m gonna push the Obama is the Antichrist line. Why? Because I’m american…I love to hate too. 😉

    Just kidding, but I do think the OB/AC thing is funny. Unfortunately, many people would fail to see the humor and start suggesting that this was in fact true. People will believe ANYTHING.

  86. And can I just say, I find the reasons many people who support BO, is just offensive and selfish reasons.

    Look at hillarys supporters: hard working people who are struggling to get by, wanting their children to have a better future, to go to college, have some safety back ups if accidents occur – UHC!!

    What are the reasons for obamabots?? They would like some inspiration and hope! They want people to get along in DC, instead of getting things done!

    Selfish asshol**, support the people who really needs help, and cant afford to wait for more hope, but need help now! support hillarys supporters, support hillary!!

  87. SUGAR Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 10:29 am
    ————-

    Sugar, I was at Hillary’s townhall at Bowie State last night. Did you go to any of her/Bill’s events yesterday?

  88. Sorry gang, had to bathe and fend off a psychotic client. 🙁
    I am sure many have seen tis, but in case not…here:

    Tonight from 7-7:30 p.m. EST, Hillary will appear live on TV on ABC7 and News Channel 8 in the Washington, DC metropolitan area. Voters nationwide can see Hillary live on Politico.com. The appearance was initially intended to be a debate sponsored by The Politico and ABC7, but Sen. Obama refused to debate Hillary.

  89. thanks grandmother. Yes, somehow the word has to get out about what is happening. It make me ashamed to be an American that we don’t have such a free press after all. Working in China, I am very aware of the value of the free press. This guy and his mass media friends are making a mockery of it. I wish I knew more about how to post my little piece on more places, (especially for OH, TX and PA ha-ha). Well it is 11:30 PM and I best be wrapping things up for the night. They are still setting off those gosh darn firecrackers for the New Year. I wish they would burn their fingers, run out of matches or just go to bed!

  90. Good morning TPS. 🙂

    PM, I went to the rally at Bowie last night and I thought it was awesome. You may have seen me! I was walking all over the place. I had on a white Hillary for President t-shirt with a long sleeved (white) shirt underneath and I carried a large brown bag (that is much too junky inside lol) on my shoulder. Fortunately, my contact at HQ called and said they needed some more help, so I was able to scoot right on in and I didn’t have to wait in that long line!!!

  91. My supervisor, an Obama supporter, asked me this morning, “So, how long do you think she’ll stick it out considering how much momentum he’s gaining?” It took everything in me not to knock her damn block off. I love Hillary, but I love food and shelter too. lol I gave a nice informative response instead.

  92. Maryland.

    And, Paddy4Hillary, I think that tempers are a little high, so don’t take any of the angry comments personally. 🙂

  93. Hi everyone! I’m not sure if the “Latte Liberal” label for Obama is correct- I am a graduate of Dartmouth College, I drive a white Volvo, I love mochas and I am a HUGE supporter of Hillary Clinton- as are ALL my friends, not one of them are Obama supporters. I think his core of supporters are actually the youth vote and African-Americans and the “Latte Liberal” term was something the media made up. Look at Los Angeles and Manhattan (probably the epitome of “Latte Liberal”)- all support Hillary Clinton.

  94. LMAO! What if it was McCain and Obama in the GE, and we all voted for McCain because we believed OBAMA was the AC. But then it turned out, McCain was the real AC??!! And then WE were really responsible for bring on end times???

    LOL….boy, I really need to drink this cup of coffee.

  95. My cup of coffee is horrible. We have the worst coffee at my job. Or maybe I’ve gotten so used to drinking hot tea.

  96. I welcome all new Hillfans(kudos Terrondt, wherever you are…) even those who have been posting for only a few days before before suggesting we take the site private…:)

    Seriously, hunker down boys and girls, this ain’t the rodeo we expected, but we are still ridin’ the bull…

    BM is treating the contest like it will go to the wire, or the convention or BEYOND, which is better than a constant drumbeat against Hillary staying in the race. There will not be any more premature burial meme’s in Hillary’s coverage IMO. Contrast that with poor, “Huck”, who BM would like to just go away and let them cover old John McCain 24/7.

    Replacing your campaign manager is never a positive story, and doing it in the midst of a series of losses (small as they may be) can lead to a round of negative press, but the replacement of Patty Doyle would appear to be the exception to the rule. Some change, and EVIDENCE of that change was necessary. It’s a good, and IMO, necessary move as we move into, “Phase Two”, of the campaign.

    As B Merry so aptly stated, “Good morning to the real Hillfans (you know who you are).”, but having said that, welcome to BM, and the Obama-nation too. We have nothing to fear from these folks, in fact, Big Pink has been striking fear into their hearts for quite some time now, and with the best, most qualified, most electable ( and completely vetted) candidate in Hillary you can understand why. WHO ELSE could withstand the onslaught of BM and the democratic establishment and come out STRONGER and BETTER for it? I am more proud of her and her candidacy every day.

    To paraphrase the Rolling Stones song, “Time is on OUR side”. Barry is the kind of candidate where, the more you know the less there is. Democrats (and republicans, independents and TROTSKYITES for that matter) are nervous about our economic future and that nervousness is only going to increase. Economy voters will vote Hillary. BM will HAVE to start imagining Barry as C&C, in comparison to old McCain, in this perilous time. Security voters will vote Hillary. BM and the electorate will be comparing the two remaining democrats to old McCain, not based on polls trying predict what will happen 9 months from now, but based on WHAT’s happening in the world right now. Electability voters will vote Hillary.

    Barry’s won a bunch of caucuses, but most voters don’t respect them they way that they respect VOTES, because they know there are NO presidential caucuses. Soon, general election STATE head-to-heads will show that the red state caucuses that Barry has dominated will be dominated by old McCain in November, as they have been dominated by REPUBLICANS since NINETEEN SIXTY-FOUR, and that it is a lot more important for a democrat to win BLUE STATES, that they will win in November. It will be virtually impossible to nominate someone who couldn’t win ANY of the big electoral vote states in the primaries that ANY DEMOCRAT must win to carry the election in November.

    The worst is over folks. There isn’t much they can do that they haven’t done or aren’t already doing, and we’re still standing tall. There have always been front runners and nervous nellies here, hand-wringers and those in states of perpetual doubt and worry and that will continue. There have always been BM (Hi Ben!) types, Obama-trolls and lurkers along for the ride too. There have been many new posters over the past few weeks, some welcome additions, some not so much, but the core remains strong and some will fortify that strong core as we march to victory in the nomination and the GE. Let’s donate a few bucks, make a couple of calls on Hillary’s behalf and fill this board with positive, constructive, WINNING, energy.

    We will prevail. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy and this is the single most worthwhile endeavor many of us will ever participate in. Our nation’s future is at stake in many ways and on many levels. We don’t just WANT Hillary to be 44, we NEED it.

  97. Okay, shared this joke last night and it really helped lighten folks up, so I’ll share it here this morning as well.

    Bono, lead singer of the rock band U2, is famous throughout the entertainment industry for being more than just a little self-righteous. At a recent U2 concert in Glasgow, Scotland, he asked the
    audience for total quiet. Then, in the silence, he started to slowly clap his hands, once every few seconds.

    Holding the audience in total silence, he said into the microphone, “Every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies.”

    A voice with a deep and sharp Scottish accent from the crowd pierced the silence… “Well, foockin stop doin it then, ya evil bastard!”

  98. SUGAR Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    PM, I went to the rally at Bowie last night and I thought it was awesome. You may have seen me!
    ———————

    I am trying to remember..I was wearing a really nice pink shawl if you saw me..:)

    We went there early so we did not have to stand in line either (sat in the third row) — it was surreal. That was quite a big crowd. I think I can vote for that young guy Anthony Brown for Gov. (after O’Malley) if he plays his cards right — so far so good, he is supporting Hillary.

    Idunn, Bowie State Univ. is in Maryland — just outside the beltway on the way to Annapolis.

  99. TNR:

    Is Hillary Momentum-Proof?
    The conventional wisdom is that if, as now appears possible, Obama runs the table in February, his momentum could make him pretty formidable in Texas and (especially) Ohio, which the Clinton campaign considers its firewalls. That’s certainly the way these things normally work. But I’m not sure it’ll be true of this primary season. The strange thing about Hillary is that while voters don’t necessarily want her to win, they don’t seem to want her to lose, either. Every time it looks like she might do that–New Hampshire, Super Tuesday, during her post-Super Tuesday financial crunch–voters have rallied to her side. I wonder if we’ll see a similar story on March 4 or before if it starts to look like Obama’s running away with this thing.

    Needless to say, voters’ complex psychological relationships to Hillary makes her extremely difficult to run against..

    blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/02/10/is-hillary-momentum-proof.aspx

  100. I’ve been an (environmental) activist, and I’ve often gotten what I wanted because I wouldn’t give an inch to the other side. If the other side wanted something, that side had to FIGHT TO TAKE IT. In my opinion, people should NEVER make the other side’s getting anything easy.

    Grandmother said: “If you want a reader to listen to you, to read your words, to take your opinions seriously, to give pause for thought, you do not pull out all the guns and fire and demand that your side is the right side.”

    –Maybe in a courtroom, classroom or church you don’t, but when you’re dealing with thugs in an election, you DO pull out all the guns. This reminds me of the second Alien movie when the military can’t use guns around the nuclear reactor area, so one of the soldiers says, “What are we supposed to use—harsh language?”

    The Obama people have pulled out all gun—I think this should be clear right now. They have viciously attacked Clinton on every aspect they could attack her on, including attacking her as a woman, attacking her as a democrat, including attacking the PARTY he’s supposed to be running in, and mocking and discrediting the only really successful presidential democrat in a long time: Bill Clinton. These Obama people mean (nasty) business. I hope Clinton’s internal campaign doesn’t have the we-must-rise-above moralizing mentality some of the posters here display. I don’t in any way think Clinton should be as nasty as Obama has—no. But there is NO REASON TO COMPLIMENT HIM. None. That’s a losing strategy, in my opinion. That is supporting the other side.

    When I see an article from the Obama camp saying:

    “This election, the insurgency campaign of Hillary Clinton has been able to lead the Democratic left to near victory through the use of new tactics that are nearly as creative as Jimmy Carter’s first use of the Iowa caucus to build an early insurmountable aura of momentum; something now common to all campaigns. For starters, Clinton has used her base of women and latinos to win contests where they comprise a sizable portion of the primary voters….

    As a result, Clinton has since Iowa won nearly all the necessary large states with broad support among the voters….

    While Dean was unable to utilize a similar force to win Iowa and New Hampshire, Clinton did Dean one better by building a political movement that was centered on her own personal charisma.”

    –When I see the Obama camp repeatedly publishing flattering sentences like that, then maybe I’ll believe complimenting Obama is okay. Don’t people see how unlikely it is that those sentences would be written about Clinton from Obama supporters and on his sites? Saying that talk is not complimentary is B.S. in my opinion

    The moralizing I think I see here has become sickening. Oh well, there was lots of good stuff here while it lasted. But I suspect a significant number of Clinton supporters are either Obama plants, or are succumbing to the propaganda, just like too many antiBush people eventually did and, for example, believed an election where one party, already proven to be lying thug war-mongering no-credibility crooks, counts the majority of the votes on secret proprietary coded machines and yields a fair honest representative-of-the-people result. This is what I think propaganda often does: it blurs the lines between truth and reality and affects the way people think, the way they process information; they start mimicking the propagandists, they start believing them, they start repeating their propaganda.

    I think some of the people here are clearly on Clinton’s side; others are not. There is outside evidence of this too: as basil pointed out in this thread, some of us are being data mined here from the other side, from Obama supporters.

    If this place shows signs of changing, maybe I’ll post again, but this is probably the last one from me till things get proClinton here again.

    Good luck to the real Clinton supporters,

    Fran

  101. TheREalist “We will prevail. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy and this is the single most worthwhile endeavor many of us will ever participate in. Our nation’s future is at stake in many ways and on many levels. We don’t just WANT Hillary to be 44, we NEED it.”

    I am SO GLAD to read this.

    I am making calls. 🙂

  102. Oh more Bono poke:

    Bono, Al Gore and The Pope die in a plane crash. The appear outside the pearly gates, where God is sitting on his heavenly throne. God says to them: “before you can enter my Kingdom, I must first know what you believe.”

    Al says, “”Well lord, I love the earth and I love you. I believe that we should be good stewards of the earth.” God nods and waves Al through the gates.

    The Pope says, “Lord, I believe that the greatest way to express my love for you is to work for peace among all peoples”. God nods and waves the pope through the gates. He then turns to Bono and asks, “And what do YOU believe my son?”

    Bono looks at god and says, “I believe you’re sitting in my seat.”

  103. LawSchoolDem, if TNR and the big media gets its head out of the sand they might not find this surprising. They tend to hype his caucus victories or victories based on pure demographics like in SC and Louisiana and when we get to a big state with a broad electorate they are surprised that voters like Hillary and choose Hillary. It is really not a surprise for all of us here. It is a surprise for the beltway crowd.

  104. I need to get off of here and head over the HRC’s site soon myself. Start the calls. My voice is so ratty from the rally this weekend that I’m just hoping it will hold out a bit longer. Maybe need to put down the coffee and make some tea with lemon.

    Hope I get some nice folks on the phone today. 🙂

  105. LawSchoolDem,
    I’m at a loss why anyone still believes in momentum. Looking at the primary season so far winning in one state or several states doesn’t make the candiate a favorite to win somewhere else. I think its about the kind of voters who back you and where they’re located.

  106. That should have been: “This is what I think propaganda often does: it blurs the lines between fantasy and reality and affects the way people think, the way they process information; they start mimicking the propagandists, they start believing them, they start repeating their propaganda.

  107. “Holding the audience in total silence, he said into the microphone, “Every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies.”

    A voice with a deep and sharp Scottish accent from the crowd pierced the silence… “Well, foockin stop doin it then, ya evil bastard!””

    Idunn, that is absolutely HILARIOUS!!!!!!! Oh my God I can’t wait to tell someone that.

    It is truly getting hot in here with all of the tension and I think it’s getting a little silly. I for one, walked in high winds and temperatures in the 20’s yesterday for three HOURS in support of Hillary. Going door to door and from shopping center to shopping center. At one point, my fellow Hillary supporter and I took to handing bumper stickers and other literature out of the windows of her truck as she was driving! So I RESENT WHOLEHEARTEDLY ANYONE who questions my committment to this effort. So, if any mofo wants to speak my name rather than beat around the bush, then let’s go there!!!!!

    It is absolutely ridiculous to start arguing in here and getting angry at folks for posting things that are only the reality. I don’t think that anything Paddy4Hillary said was “complimentary” of BO. It was the reality of what’s happened! Certainly, there probably are some BO “plants” here, but the way Paddy4Hillary has been attacked is just ridiculous. We will get nowhere if we start dividing amongst ourselves.

    You know, the first time I went to my county meeting, I could feel the eyes on me–with my Black self. I knew they were wondering whether I was committed to the cause and I didn’t like it then and I don’t like it now. I didn’t want to go there, and I don’t intend to imply that everyone feels this way here because some of you have been most gracious, but those of you who aren’t….YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE TOO…..grow up.

  108. paddy4Hill wrote: the GOP will rally behind the moderate and maverick Senator John McCain.

    Last night in a bit of a brainstorm, I started to put some pieces together regarding how the whole “McCain is the frontrunner” meme doesn’t smell right.

    You can read my semi-coherent thoughts here:
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=486#comment-68882

    Fran responded with: People keep assuming Obama’s being backed because the republicans want to run against him because he’d be easier to beat than Clinton. But wouldn’t it be simpler to assume that the republican-backed media want him to WIN.

    In response, I’ll reiterate something that’s been my interpretation for a while now. When things don’t make sense to me, I try to step back a bit and look at the bigger picture to see if “the forest” makes more sense than the trees.

    Things we know:
    1) All networks mostly worked in concert with each other to sell us Bush x2 along with his war
    2) All major American news organizations controlled by six corporations whose primary concern is their bottom line, (i.e., the corporate big wigs promote the Republican agenda, including continuing the war)
    3) MSNBC is pushing Obama in a big way (Despite record ratings for Hillary’s appearance on MTP)
    4) All other news outlets act as an echo chamber of the MSNBC coverage
    5) Fox (who is apparently at war with MSNBC):
    a)has become a haven for starved Hillary supporters because of their “fair and balanced” coverage of the Democratic side (Although they are still major shills for the Republican agenda).
    b) They are pushing the meme that Hillary is inevitable (uh-oh), Karl Rove has declared this with his “magic math” done on the back of envelopes (I’m not making that up, I swear!)
    c) Bill O’Reilly is concern trolling that there will be Riots! Riots, I tell you, if Hillary does not pick Obama as her running mate

    So you see, taken separately, these five things don’t really make sense? The most dissonant thing is that MSNBC is willing to lose money and ratings in order to promote Barack Obama. TV just doesn’t work that way.

    Now I won’t pretend to have a crystal ball into their deepest motivations, I’ll only suggest that the most obvious outcome from all their efforts is that Obama ends up on the Democratic ticket. Once he’s on the ticket, in either the top or second position, then the media onslaught can begin.

    The unfolding Rezko trial offers the most obvious mechanism for shifting the MSNBC lovefest. Remember that the DoJ is under the direct control of Darth Cheney. He can orchestrate the timing of events by manipulating how fast things happen in court. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the trial date was pushed back. I think that NH was as much a surprise to them as it was to everyone else. Before NH, Obama was on track for a sweep which would have made it difficult for Clinton to recover on Super Tuesday. After NH, they couldn’t allow the trial to derail the Obama Express. They need him to remain viable until he either wins the nomination or gains enough clout to force his way onto the Democratic ticket.

    Of course there are contingencies, but I think that the wingnut wet dream is to run Huckabee against Rezko. I think that “McCain is the frontrunner, Huckabee has no chance at the nomination” is a false talking point that makes it safe for moderates to game the Democratic race instead of supporting their candidate.

    How’s that for a conspiracy theory!

  109. TPS- You hit the nail on the head yet again. None of BO’s wins are that surprising to me:he’s strong in caucuses and primaries where the black vote has been large.

  110. Sugar, who is talking about you? I WASN’T. I wasn’t thinking of or referring to you at all. Why on earth have you inserted yourself in there?

  111. obama trumpeting caucus victories (highly undemocratic process, that) in very red states does not indicate anything about those states being in play for the general election. media has to know that, why don’t they point this out, where are the voices of sanity? i know i always expect too much. but, look at states he won caucuses in on this creepy map (where they make small states bigger to look like more of the country has been stamped by the giant O logo, and where they claim nevada even though he lost it!):

    http://www.barackobama.com/
    images/feature/08/02/01_feb5.jpg

    colorado, alaska, idaho, north dakota, kansas, nebraska – we are going to win those in the general? colorado ok but others seems crazy

  112. You know, the first time I went to my county meeting, I could feel the eyes on me–with my Black self. I knew they were wondering whether I was committed to the cause and I didn’t like it then and I don’t like it now.

    I know what THAT’S like. Stay strong, Sugar. Individualists ALWAYS stand out in a crowd. But they are the ones who move the mountains in the end.:)

  113. yes Nikki22, if only the general election would be a caucus between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM, then all of his cult followers can show up, sing his glory, and then elect him in a landslide while the rest of us sleep soundly.

  114. I couldn’t agree more with all of you regarding momentum . . . I just found the article interesting because it posits the reverse question of the effects of so-called momentum and that at least someone recognizes that momentum is pure BS.

  115. >>Was the Khaleel Ahmed who donated to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)’s campaign in 2004 the same Khaleel Ahmed who was arrested in February 2007 with his cousin on terrorism charges?

    wow this must be NEWS..

  116. the caucus system just upsets me, weren’t they basically designed in the first place so party officials could run the show, it is so undemocratic. and of course working class voters, older voters have a harder time to arrive at a precise hour, and yes, it IS subject to intimidation maybe not in a thuggish way but lets be real some people are more confident to stand in public for a candidate than others, especially hardcore followers which obama draws.

    caucus system is one place where force of (cultish!?) enthusiasm carries more weight, but we’re not going to elect a president in november that way. every one mccain vote by an independent who finds obama unacceptable is worth just as much as every intense obama-is-the-messiah vote and i am pretty sure there will be more of the former.

  117. I enjoy your insight Paddy!

    I do agree that we need to keep track of the infiltrators here. They are here, they’re reading and they may be reporting back to some super secret Obama underground compound and laughing at us. HI EVERYONE! ::waves::

    But you know, screw unity. I can’t believe that the Obama supporters use the fact that Repubs vote for him as a talking point. I’m seriously concerned about nominating any dem candidate who the republicans come out in droves to vote for and I don’t get why other’s aren’t. There’s no unity wing of the Republican party. There’s only me first wing. I have a very sincere concern about the whole thing I’m going to write up later, but I have to go to work right now.

    Idaho is a really good example of how electable he is and how democratic caucuses are. 15,000 came out for his rally in Boise alone, 16,000 people voted for him overall. And I can guarantee BO will not win Idaho in the fall.

  118. another_reader, there is no one unbiased enough in the media to point out this simple fact because they think he is JFK reincarnate. Taylor Marsh posted a video of an Obama focus group from FOX. Sean Hannity asked them to cite one Obama accomplishment and none of them were able to cite any. Classic internet stock!

  119. Personally, I think the caucus system is the most outdated, old fashioned system of voting there is. I simply don’t understand why it is still used anywhere.

  120. I also don’t know why some folks here are so paranoid about obamaton trolls and lurkers here.

    1). It’s not like we have any top secret info here we might give the enemy.
    2). It’s not like they can force feed us their negativity if we don’t let them.
    3). Little kiddles play mind games on the internet all the time. Go to the American Idol boards if you don’t believe me. 😉

  121. Idunn, the caucus system is the most anti-democratic way of choosing a candidate. I don’t think they use this anywhere else in the democratic world.

  122. TPS, I’m one of the strongest women you’re likely to meet, and the truth is, if I had to go up against the obamanation at a caucus, I’d likely avoid that like the plague.

    Undemocratic? You bet.

    And I wouldn’t be there at all if I had to leave my job for several hours and miss pay. OR if I was handicapped. OR if I had little children that needed me at home. Etc etc etc. Time for caucuses to be a thing of the past, imo.

  123. Fran, I’ve “inserted myself there” because I happen to agree with Paddy4Hillary’s post and since you seem to think that anyone who does is a BO plant, I take offense. Feel me? It doesn’t make sense to gang up on her for trying to do her part to help us all see the reality of things. I understand that you want Hillary to win. I get that. But, if you had more carefully read what she wrote, you might have seen something different than what you think is there.

  124. Ugh Barbra Walters suck.When she is on there she makes the show more of a mess.I wish Rosie was still on the view.

  125. Guys,
    This is a little off topic, but Hillary looked fantastic yesterday in that yellow. I wish she would get rid of those damn brown suits! I’m fine with black but the brown has got to go. Ok, that’s my shallow comment for the week.

  126. Hi again everyone
    I was just at the MoveOn website; I haven’t been there since they endorsed BO and I unsubscribed and wrote them I would no longer be a member supporting them, and why.
    Now their site is taken up by a large Donate to Obama header. It is the biggest thing on their site, and they are boasting of raising $450,000. for him.
    I hope we can beat that tomorrow with our fundraising for Hill.

  127. Another thing I meant to mention this morning but forgot:

    I watched Obama’s “round table” discussion last night. Well, as much of it as I could stand anyway. I always thought it was very telling that Obama, so far , has avoided taking questions from the crowd, so I was interested to see what this “round table” thing was. If you didn’t catch it, let me recap.

    About 5 people, and Obama sat at a rectangle table and discussed the issues. Sounds interesting huh? It wasn’t. The people talked about their concerns and their ideas for solutions. OB merely nodded, agreed and repeated back what each person had already said.

    See a PATTERN here, folks?

  128. Idunn, reference Obama lurkers……there are alot of Chicago IP addresses on this board. I suspect there are some campaign people lurking here at times.

    Hey Obambi Lurkers……tell the anti-christ we don’t drink his koolaid!

  129. Idunn, it isn’t “paranoia” necessarily. How come when someone brings up repeating the other side’s spin s/he’s called/implied as paranoid, but when others keep posting about BO’s “momentum,” they’re said to be “representing reality”? Whose reality is that?

    In this post admin said http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=486#comment-68263

    “…the overriding problem is that even the most pro-Hillary supporters and true blue Democrats have bought into a lot of the anti-Hillary myths. This is a topic worthy of much longer discussion which we have start-stop writing about for a while now…. Even here, among people who presumably are well informed, the pervasive influence of Big Media has to be explained over and over and over again – and they still do not get it. Even here people will innocently repeat messages they have been fed by Big Media….To this day we hear repeated lies about Al Gore that have been debunked and were never true and the lies were clearly put into play by Gore political opponents. But still the lies get repeated.”

    –THAT’S why these lurkers with their negativity and flattery and reposts of media propaganda are damaging: too often propaganda affects people eventually, as I think it has affected many people’s opinions about Clinton over the years. They have no substance; they’re mainstream media propagandist constructs.

    The Bush-backed (IMO) media is waging another propaganda war this election season. For people to keep reposting the media propagandist spin is just plain stupid. Propaganda works by being repeated on and on and on. The other side will do this with their own propaganda. How the hell does THIS side doing the same with that other side’s propaganda make any sense? That helps THEM.

  130. I dunn, Steve Kroft mentioned that on 60 Minutes last night to himDid you see that, and the one softball question, re Iraq? and his “As Commander-in-Chief” line?

  131. dunn, Steve Kroft mentioned that on 60 Minutes last night to himDid you see that, and the one softball question, re Iraq? and his “As Commander-in-Chief” line?

    Kroft mentioned the “round table” thing? Explain, Spacegirl…I didn’t pay much attention to Bambi’s 60 minutes seg. last night.

  132. Nikki I agree with you that brown is not flattering at all on her short stubby body.I like her with color on and I wish she would glam it up a bit as in put on some 4 inch heels or something.And in the next debate go in there with a smile let Obama attack first than u just unleash on him but always keep that smile while tagging his dumb UFO head shaped azz

  133. Idunn Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 11:33 am
    ————-
    There was an article way back about — how the transcript for his “impromptu” round table ended up with the press at 9:30 am, when the event was scheduled for 11:30 am. (BTW, he stole the idea of a round table from Hillary).

  134. The pope gave a speech about Obama well you do know the catholic church supposedly one of the Antichrist’s buddies

  135. how the transcript for his “impromptu” round table ended up with the press at 9:30 am, when the event was scheduled for 11:30 am.

    Well not THAT’S interesting. Maybe I’ll do a google alittle later and see if I can dig up that article.

  136. Hehehe/ Ok, I bought that hook, line and sinker. That’s how crazy this whole this has become. Sugar, thanks SO MUCH for your hard work for Hillary. You ever think about running for office yourself? You have a distinct voice.

  137. obama is using all drity tricks that politicians from third world countries usually use to get the votes… i am from India i know how politicians operate 🙂

  138. The pope gave a speech about Obama well you do know the catholic church supposedly one of the Antichrist’s buddies

    Oh….that’s right! Uh oh. 😉

  139. “OB merely nodded, agreed and repeated back what each person had already said.”

    A woman here at my job, who is supposed to be a Hillary supporter, just told me, “You know. I like him though.” I told her if he were to make into that GE ballot, I’d write-in “Minnie Mouse” before I’d click his name. I explained to her why he must be stopped in these preliminary contests and she just nodded like a foolish sheep. I think she’s had a spoonful of the kool-aid. 🙁

  140. THEREALIST—good to hear from you again—i don’t know what is happening to this place..we all love HRC and want her to win..some people can’t accept that everyone has their own way..read the comments you like and ignore the ones you don’t like…this my way or the highway approach is so…bho like

    anyhoo….sugar when i was in md bowie was black? still that way, what was the crowd makeup

  141. The only thing kool-aid is good for is dying your hair a lovely shade of shocking pink.

    (yes, I did that in my youth)

  142. mj, we are all doing some great work. I told a friend of mine that even simply attending a rally sends so much positive energy her way I’m sure it helps to keep her recharged for another day, week or month. I was only about 30 feet away from her last night when she spoke and I felt so honored. At one point she said something like, “The people of America know what they need in a president and…” I yelled out “YOU!!!!” Everyone else started yelling “You” too and she smiled and paused for a minute and finished with her wonderfully inspiring words. She is such a great woman it is so sad to see so many missing out on the chance to feel this wonderful thing that she is bringing to this election. The good feelings I get from Hillary are the type of feelings that stand the test of time. Like the good feelings a person gets from, hell I don’t know donating a kidney or something. You know you’ve done something great and you will always remember it.

    The feelings that the Obamanation are getting from him are more akin to something like smoking crack. lol We all know how the story of a crack addict plays out.

  143. No, Kroft was challenging him (sic) on the “charges that had been leveled” (MY words) that he is light on substance. Bambi replied there was criticism early that he was “too professorial” so he changed. Then Kroft threw him a semi-softball on Iraq. But they (60min) DID make it known that the only way you could see his POLICY positions was to go to his website. You will not hear them in stump speeches. (their words). It looked too like there had been an edit when BO was basically STARTING to say “bring it on” (my words) about specifics.

    Now, in my calling this morning for HRC, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON admitted to having internet. They were ALL much older women by the sound of their voices. So much for getting info out. If people are choosing by BM, then sheesh….

  144. Sugar, I want to touch your hem….

    I was SO BUMMED here in Florida…no chance to see up close and personal. 🙁

  145. Racine oddity: One woman I spoke with, has a grandson going BACK to Iraq tomorrow, and one there. Doesn’t like the thought of us getting out. Maybe she doesn’t like them….

  146. anbritt, it was mostly a white audience, but there were a LOT of AA’s in the crowd as well, including a large group from Bowie State University, who yelled at me more than once because we ran out of rally posters. They were mainly young women. I’m not sure whether they were HIllary supporters or just curious, but I was glad they were there. I was watching them carefully as Hillary spoke to see their reaction and I saw some of them responding really well to her comments. Some of them had that BO Kool-aid glaze in their eyes. lol

    mj, I was so disgusted that she would say that to me. Everyone at my job knows how dedicated I am to this, so when they start with the idle chatter to see what my reaction will be, I get so angry, but I try to keep a clear head. It hasn’t been easy. My job is a rather large association and we publish a lot of articles and such and it is amazing how people have been trying to slip in propaganda for BO. These are caucasian people mind you. It’s so Hilarious that as one of the sole AA in the Executive office, I’m the most staunch Hillary supporter. Absolutely HILARIOUS. I’ve had to edit quite a few BO propaganda slips in some of our editorials and such. We are a 503(c) so we can’t endorse as the NEA has, but people try to slip one in every now and again. I’m always on it like a hornet.

  147. paddy4Hill
    I actully agree with you – unless we have some critical thinking we cannot win anything. It is hard and heart aching but we should soberly see our own strong and weak points to be able to deal with it. just Cheering about hillary will not make her a president. I am sorry if that sounds harsh.

  148. Is anyone here taking the Wisconsin calls from HRC’s website? I noticed it’s still on “paula”.

    Maybe that’s where I should start?

    (haven’t done this before on the website)

  149. Idunn, sometime you get two names in a row the same. It gets confusing. 🙂 I left off with Clare. Back at it!

  150. Idunn…you have smellaphone? LMAO! Paula won’t care, and if you do, and she does, just tell her your from Obama camp if she screams your breath stinks. Michelle Obama already told us all about that!

  151. i am predicting the following for the contests coming in this month

    virginia – HRC
    maryland – BHO
    Washington DC – BHO

    Wisconsin – HRC
    Hawaii – split evenly

  152. “just Cheering about hillary will not make her a president.”

    –So explain to me how cheering about OBAMA here and elsewhere will make Clinton president.

    And I guess since you seem to (I’m assuming) consider paddy’s post critical thinking you think mine aren’t. Is that what you mean, john? Well, what have I been doing if not criticizing the way things are being done here by some posters, if not critically thinking?

  153. Guys, we DO have to be careful about just spouting off about BO’s “charisma” and momentum” like it was a given.

    Not like you can’t discuss it, but be careful how you phrase it. That’s all.

    Those of us who have been around politics for a long time know how this game is played. And believe it or not, half the battle is defining the terms and the framing of the words and concepts used. NO, IT IS NOT ABOUT REALITY. It has nothing to do with current reality. How do you think Bush was as successful as he was? Because his supporters were ALWAYS committed to painting him as good and his enemies as bad, relentlesly, regardless of whether it was true or not.

    This is exactly what Bambi has been doing. They use soaring, positive language to describe him, and negative, worried language to describe Hillary. YOU WILL NOT GO ON AN OBAMA BOARD AND SEE HIS SUPORTERS POST ONE NEGATIVE THING ABOUT HIM, NOT EVEN IN THE CONTEXT OF “DISCUSSING THE REALITIES”. If they must discuss a loss, a downturn, etc, it is NEVER verbally expressed in terms of anything wrong with him or his campaign, or positive about Hillary. Never. If you use negative, worried language regarding Hillary, YOU ARE HURTING HER CANDIDACY, whether you intend to or not.

    If we are going to WIN this, we have to pay attention to TRIED AND TRUE political tactics. Some of you come on here and bitch and moan about all the mistakes you think Hillary and her campaign are making, but when people try to point out the very crucial mistakes of negative framing that YOU YOURSELF ARE MAKING, you get all huffy over free speech and speaking your mind about “realities”.

    OUR JOB IS NOT TO BOW TO THE REALITIES. OUR JOB IS TO CREATE THE REALITY WE WANT BY THE WORDS WE CHOOSE TO USE.

    Some of us are familiar with this dynamic in politics. Some know how important framing is, and that it can WIN or LOSE an election.

    I am not attacking anyone here, nor doubting how much you support Hillary. Not at all. I know you support her wholeheartedly. But I am telling you to PAY ATTENTION to what you are saying, and offering insight into how I KNOW this battle is fought, and has always been fought. The Republicans learned this lesson long ago, and the Bambiites seem to have learned it too.

    If you want Hillary to win, I suggest we all learn it as well. What you say and how you frame it, positive or negative, MATTERS.

  154. # Idunn Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Where the hell is John Edwards this morning? We need a big fat media boost.

    C’mon John.

    He’s meeting with the Antichrist today before he makes his decision.

  155. I agree, Sugar. I really like Hillary, like a sister almost. I think people hold on to the hate because if they didn’t they would have to concede she’s the best person for the job.

  156. He’s meeting with the Antichrist today before he makes his decision

    If he tries to put some kind of mark on you John, runnnnnnnn! 😉

  157. just start attacking obama in media .. he has so many negatives.. HRD need not go negative in media.. one of her surrogates(not bill clinton again) should hit him hard on his negatives… there should be strong people in HRC’ campaign team.. penn with all due respect seems not combative enough… i dont see him on channels as much as i see obama’ campaign manager..

  158. Okay, I’m outta here. Going to make those calls right now.

    I’ll check in later.

    (ugh, my voice sounds like Brenda Viccaro’s today)

  159. LOL Idunn….that is how I sound ALL of the time! LOL! Well…more like a southern Lauren Bacall.

    Back to the phones too!

  160. h t t p : / / www. freedomsenemies. com /_more /obama.htm

    This is why I’m worried. This is only the beginning of what the GOP is planning to do. This is why we have to get this nomination for the good of our country. We can’t stay in the shadow of the Republicans forever. It will ruin our country. They can’t tear Hillary down. They have nothing on her.

  161. and HRC should win TEXAS by 20 points margin… just run -ve ads on obama let media go to hell with their whining… but some one had posted that texas might be splitted evenly because 1/3 are caucus again… these caucus should be fought like they won in nevada caucus…

  162. Hillary4Texas–how are things in texas..how does it look..what is the support like

    Sugar–hang i therei go at it wiuth my AA cousins and bro in law all the time and like i said before his sorry ass is not even registered to vote

  163. Fran
    As you can see – I didn’t criticize you or anybody personally. I just made a suggestion. But honestly I think sometimes we are too cheerful about things that don’t look that way at all. And having a clear view in the battle – and this is a Battle is one of the most important components of any strategy. If you indeed discussing some secret ideas and things that need to stay secret – By all means hide them from this site. I am not even asking to be let in there. But if it is posted here – we should try and have a more truthful conversation. If someone cannot take it – I don’t blame them, but this is not a “feel good site” and we are dealing with only the first round of dirt. The second one will be more big -if she will go against republicans. So let’s be realistic. This is all I wanted to say.

  164. “I happen to agree with Paddy4Hillary’s post and since you seem to think that anyone who does is a BO plant, I take offense.”

    –This is a strawmanning attempt. I never said or implied that “anyone who agrees with paddy4hillary’s post is a BO plant.” You said that. I’ve gone out of my way here describing how I think propaganda likely affects people’s minds whether they want it to or not. People posting stuff like Paddy’s post may be MISGUIDED, not necessarily plants. I don’t remember Paddy’s other posts from here. S/he doesn’t sound like a plant to me.

    So I saw “what I think is there” and everyone else who agrees with paddy’s post has seen reality? Is that what you mean? If so, that’s unfair and just isn’t true, in my opinion. Everyone can read things into a written work, but I’m now guilty of that and others aren’t? I don’t think so. If we’re going to start talking extremely subjectively and philosophically about posts here, what is the point? I’ve detailed how I think those comments are compliments, but no one has addressed my specific detailed comments. They’re more interested in attacking me or discrediting me or something. Attack the argument and not the arguer. I do agree with paddy in another area: this place is starting to sound like the BO style intimidation.

    Did you read my long post where I specifically took paddy’s words and substituted Clinton for Obama? Can you honestly say those sentences don’t sound like compliments toward Clinton and that kind of stuff wouldn’t likely be posted by the Obama crowd?

  165. anbritt, Texas is looking good for Hillary. The Latino vote here is SO STRONG for her. They love this woman, and they CANNOT STAND Obama. I will not reveal all here, but there are things underway here that started before offices opened or any national people were dispatched. The caucus portion is not being ignored.

    Texas is FIGHTING for Hillary, and if you don’t think Texans can fight, you don’t know Texans. We are a stubborn, independent sort, as befits a giant state that used to be its own damn country. Hispanics here in central and south and west Texas are not marginalized like they are in many other areas. Latinos ARE the political machinery here. Latinos are the politicos, the city councils, the mayors, the judges, the representatives. Latinos ARE the power base here. We have every intention of being the firewall she needs, and every worker here has been aware for months that it may be up to us to win the presidency for her.

  166. Fran
    Yes I did read it. But it is very probable that Paddie is just not a writer like you are and cannot put then in such an eloquent form. Of course news makes a difference and sway our moods. But I also check polls and check other forums and only then post my opinion here. So a little bit of reality will not hurt anyone. Though I have to say – that even for me the amount of negativity in the media that I see daily sometimes it is too much.

  167. Well this been a very exciting thread this morning and to be fair I think Fran made a good point about complimenting Obama. Don’t drink the kool-aid…let not go down the Jim Jones path like so many in the democratic party has done.

    Obama is smoke and mirrors…when I talk to my AA relatives about his campaign they’re under the “Cult of Personality” they say things like, he’s one of us, and we got to show love, the more militant one I give my piece and move on they total drunk the kool-aid. But the good news is that Hillary is their 2nd choice and they would totally support her in the GE…in fact they believe Hillary will win they just want to see Obama be her VP. They keep saying Hillary/Obama for 08 so that is their Plan B statergy.

    I tell them no way…can’t stand Obama he has done nothing for our community…he doesn’t stand for anything and will sell you down the river in a second. That comment got me banned for a moment. Also they know Bill and Hillary are not racist…they just think the media is pushing that to get ratings.

  168. johnflint, TX is over 35% Latino, and only 11% AA. MOST of the AA vote is in Houston, with some in Dallas. It is next to non-existent in the rest of the state.

    Most of the white vote is in the east and some north. White anglos in TX are a minority – less than 50% of the population. From central Texas going south and west, it is HUGELY Latino. San Antonio, the seventh largest city in the country, bigger than San Diego or detroit, is 80% Latino.

  169. Got this on MESSNBC on how the Texas primary works, it’s kind of confusing:

    Texas is one of the more confusing contests in this amalgam of confusing contests. The Saturday Houston Chronicle: “The last time the Texas Democratic convention delegation was at stake in the midst of a national fight was in 1988, when Michael Dukakis, Jesse Jackson, Al Gore, Richard Gephardt and Gary Hart battled it out… Despite Dukakis’ clear plurality victory, he split the state’s delegates almost evenly with Jackson because of the Texas primary and caucus system.”

    More: “Put on your thinking cap. Here’s a short version of how the Texas Democratic nominating process works. The party rules are 11 pages long. A total of 126 delegates will be awarded based on the outcome of the vote in each of the 31 state senatorial districts. But the number of delegates available in each district is not equal: Delegates are allocated based on the votes cast in districts in the 2004 and 2006 presidential and gubernatorial elections.”

    Confused yet? We are. Here’s what we can figure out: Texas is a multi-tiered contest; 126 of 228 delegates are selected proportional by “senatorial district.” Polls close at 7 p.m. Texas time and then at 7:15, precinct conventions are held to choose the actual people who will be delegates to the county and state conventions. At the state convention on June 6-7, the remaining 67 at stake are chosen based on the preference of the delegates at the convention — 42 are at large, 25 are pledged elected leaders and officials. There are 35 superdelegates.

  170. Hillary Clinton’s Last Hope
    New York Sun Editorial
    February 11, 2008

    The news that Senator Clinton, having gone zero for four over the weekend in caucuses or primaries in Maine, Louisiana, Nebraska, and Washington, is changing campaign managers is a sign that Mrs. Clinton recognizes that something is wrong with her campaign that needs correcting. What Mrs. Clinton really needs, though, isn’t new campaign management but a new message, one that sharpens the contrast between her and Senator Obama. This wouldn’t be that difficult; the distinctions are already there, they just need to be brought into focus.

    On the foreign-policy front, Mr. Obama says he would meet, without preconditions, with the leaders of Iran and Cuba. When Mr. Obama made the offer, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign derided it as a rookie mistake in which Mr. Obama would offer dictators a prestigious platform in return for nothing. The Clinton campaign put out a press release on the issue in July, headlined, “Vilsack Challenges Obama To Explain When He’d Meet With Rogue Leaders.” Since then, though, the Clinton campaign has mostly dropped the issue. Another distinction is Mrs. Clinton’s vote empowering President Bush to impose tougher sanctions on Iran, including in respect of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Mr. Obama, in a serious error, voted against it.

    On foreign policy, Mrs. Clinton could explain to Democratic primary voters that the likely Republican nominee, Senator McCain, will be running as a war hero who supported the surge in Iraq. The Democrats for years campaigned as the party of weakness on foreign policy, which helped cost them the presidency. President Clinton started to turn that around with military interventions in Bosnia and Kosovo and with cruise missile attacks in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Africa. Mr. Obama would turn the party back toward the wilderness into which it was led by Senator McGovern. Mrs. Clinton, a member of the Armed Services Committee who has been to Iraq and to Afghanistan, knows that sometimes military force is needed. As the senator who represents New York, she saw the consequences of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks firsthand, and knows that the enemy isn’t just some figment of Vice President Cheney’s imagination.

    On taxes, Mr. Obama has pledged a payroll tax increase for Social Security that, together with the expiration of many of the Bush tax cuts, would make the largest tax increase in American history. Senator McCain is going to be campaigning for the extension of the Bush tax cuts and against the payroll tax increase. Again, Democrats ran candidates for the presidency for years who promised to raise taxes on working men and women. Those candidates lost, and so will Mr. Obama once the Republicans spend tens of millions of dollars on campaign commercials making sure everyone knows he is promising the biggest tax increase in American history — a tax increase so big even Hillary Clinton is against it. It was only when Bill Clinton promised a middle class tax cut that the Democrats finally won back the White House.

    On another key domestic issue, the welfare reform enacted under Mr. Clinton, Mrs. Clinton is on record saying it was a good thing. Mr. Obama is reported to have been “deeply apprehensive” about the law that has done so much to shrink the rolls, enlarge the workforce, and reduce dependency. On crime, Mrs. Clinton has come out against letting thousands of convicted drug dealers out of prison and onto the streets by applying retroactively new sentencing guidelines that equalize treatment of crack and powdered cocaine offenders. Mr. Obama favors releasing these criminals. Again, who is going to fare better in a race against a Republican armed with tens of millions of dollars to spend on negative campaign commercials.

    This is not an endorsement in the Democratic primary. We have differences on policy with both candidates and see many virtues in each. It may turn out to be that what ails the Clinton campaign is the candidate herself and that Americans are just ready to move on from both Clintons and Bushes. But if Mrs. Clinton has a hope of salvaging her campaign, an issue-based approach on foreign policy, taxes, crime, and welfare has the best chance of beating Mr. Obama, turning Mr. Clinton from a sideshow or distraction into an asset, and providing a platform that has at least a chance of prevailing in a general election. The platform is there in planks that Mrs. Clinton has already stood on.
    All that remains is for the senator from New York to press the substance of her case.

  171. Fran asked: –So explain to me how cheering about OBAMA here and elsewhere will make Clinton president.

    If this is a real question and not just rhetorical, I’ll take a crack at it–not that I disagree with your main point regarding incidious nature of propaganda. I’m just not convinced that it applies to the members of this forum as much as it would in a more neutral forum.

    Anyway, in answer to your question. We have entered a different phase of the campaign. Hillary’s support came early and hard. She has not waivered from her 40ish percent support from day 1 of her having announced. People who chose Hillary, chose her knowing exactly who she is and what she represents. We’re firmly in her corner. The problem is that we are not enough.

    There’s about 20-30% of Democrats who are in the “soft” support column for their candidate. These people do not like conflict; they shun negativity (in many cases unless it’s negativity directed at Hillary! It’s not fair, but it is what it is). These are the people that our candidate is trying to reach. We need to do our part as her supporters to help her to reach these voters because we need them. Some of these voters were in Edward’s column, most have been undecided from the beginning. They don’t want a fight, they want to be persuaded. Activism chases them right into the melodic tones of Mr. Khumbaya. Mr. Khumbaya tells them what they want to hear and then we lose.

    Instead of using activism, some here are trying to tap into the hard wiring of the Media narrative. By traversing the pathways created by the Media spin, but drawing different conclusions than what the Media offer, we stand a chance of persuading these people to support our candidate. Our target audience require a subtle approach and a deft touch.

    I think that this forum offers us an opportunity to hone the message, because although prone to hand-wringing and chicken little syndrome, there is little danger of our waivering in our support of Hillary as 44.

  172. HillaryforTexas
    Sounds like a good scenario. No disrespect to our AA members here – but I think Hillary should stop wasting time going to AA churches. 80% of AA vote for Obama and this is something we have to deal with. Latinos on the other hand are much more on Hillary side. So to maximize their support sop we can see Latinos going and voting for her like in Nevada not like in New Mexico everything should be done to accommodate their wishes and all attention should be brought to their issues. Also white votes should be courted more actively – she should point to clear differences between their plans. To say that we are almost the same and that “we are both great” is diminishing her positions and people really start to think that they are the same.

  173. Blue Democrat, STOP WITH THE NEGATIVE ARTICLES ABOUT HILLARY.

    Jesus, people, I really wish you would not keep regurgitating Big Media’s vomit on here.

    STOP. STOP. THEY ARE LIARS, AND EVRY TIME YOU REPEAT AND SPREAD THEIR LIES, YOU ARE VALIDATING THEIR VIEWS.

  174. Well, the meeting being called off could be good. Either Edwards told Obambi to buzz off or he told him he doesn’t need his boyfriend to talk to him to endorse him.

    The only thing that worries me is how him and Obambi had a double team butt-buddy fest with Hillary in New Hampshire…but who knows, maybe he’s finally woken up from the Obambi fog and realized that maybe if he hadn’t have been Obambi’s butt-buddy he might have won more votes.

  175. The Realist: Thanks for stating so succintly what I’m thinking. It would have been bad if the media was framing Bambi’s wins as time for Hillary to drop out. They’re not. They are framing it as a hunt for delegates and brokered convention.

    John Edwards
    I feel that at this point, his endorsement as well as Richardson’s is not worth much. It was worth more before TT. I think that most people have already made up their minds. The races will be partly won on the undecideds and my theory is that many of them already have a perponadancy(sp?) to lean towards a canidate. The value of a high profile endorsement is to win a news cycle because as we can see, Bambi, had Oprah, the Kennedys, Kerry, Shriver etc AND they still lost.

    I guess another value is their email list for fundraising.

    Potomac Tuesday

    I use to live in MD for 12 yrs:

    D.C- Lost cost-heavy, heavy AA and they are like blind sheep. They voted to re-elect crack smoking Mayor Marion Barry.

    MD- Large % of AA who I think will coalesce around Bambi. Some Hispanics in Silver Springs, Montgomery County etc but I think most of them are not citizens(Salvodoreans, Hondurans etc)
    MD has a very large base of Federal workers who are members ot AFSCME and I know that they are supporting her. However, many AA work for the federal govt.
    I expect him to win MD handedly and for him to sweep theAA vote. I’m thinking that the north state voters and voters in the sparsely populated or largely White areas will help her but don’t look for a close race.

    VA
    I think that he will win this state but that she has opportunities to make the delegate race close. More Hispanics here and the state is very large with AA concentrated in the certain areas liek NOrfolk, Hampton and NE of the state.

    I think that if she keeps the pledged delegate count to him not having more than 100 she is in good shape for Oh and TX.

    Risks
    The fact that she is willing to go and give a guess lecture to Larry Sabato’s class tells me that she is willing to take some risks.

    I trust the campaign to know that she has to pull out all the stops for OH and Tx.

    Wisconsin
    A win here would be great to stopp the MSM narrative of mo for Bambi. However, I’m always wary of states with lots of universities and liberal leaning electorate.

  176. H4T, did you catch my post about the myDD diary re: TX primary

    It was written by a Bambibot, I think, but there’s no reason we can’t use his work to firm up our own strategy. As I wrote last night, I think he’s wrong on the assumptions he makes to forward his optimistic outlook.

    This is a link to my original comment in the previous thread:
    http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=486#comment-68923

  177. Good morning, Hillfans. Forgive me, but I had to take the weekend off from shouting at my television, reading blog entries and general hand-wringing, in order to regain some perspective on how to help Hillary. And, I’m (again) borrowing time from work to join in the Hillfan-fest – so forgive me (again) that I’m not able to thoroughly research, fully develop ideas or converse consistently.

    TPS at 10:41: “Obama is like an internet stock, speculative, over-valued, hyped, and one bad news away from crashing!”

    YES, YES, YES! I was thinking about a similar metaphor this morning as I was getting ready for work. How could his “stock” rise so irrationally? And, more importantly when and how will the bubble burst? Like any overvalued stock, a correction is inevitable. (Or, if you prefer, like Icarus his fall is pre-ordained.) But, it’s all about the timing.

    First, how could this stock have risen so irrationally? Many of the student-union crowd grew up in the good times of the Clinton years (or as I like to call them, “the good old days”) in which their parents did well. They don’t understand how that business environment evolved or the truly innovative governing principals that helped create favorable conditions – “Clintonism.” They simply take this favor for granted. But, that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    These same kids were weaned onto a steady diet of “irrational exuberence” of the tech-crazy 90’s NASDAQ, and after a tragic pause following 9/11, followed up by the equally irrational exuberence of the real estate boom of the 00’s and a Dow Jones index gone wild. They have never had a dose of realism. Many have never held a job. Think about it. That is what they think of as norm, what they look for. They just “expect.” Talk realism (actual substance, getting things done, balanced budgets, etc.) that we “of a certain age” know are necessary underpinnings to any success and you’ll likely hear, “Hey, man, don’t be an buzz-kill!” We’re uncool. Or stupid. Or racist (but that’s a different discussion).

    Add to that a pop culture that embraces personality worship, hip-hop/house/gansta rap. Time to blog and journal, Facebook and Link-in. (No offense, bloggers – you’re Hillary’s shining future!)

    Now, I’m a 50-something woman with a respectable track record – MBA, marketer, very optimistic – in fact, I was one of those tech entrepreneurs. But, because we saw the bubble getting ready to burst, we sold our company late in 1999 instead of holding out for an IPO. We wanted our investors to stay whole; we also wanted our 100 or so employees to keep their jobs. So, we opted for the responsible path – a solid base hit instead of a home run. It works out like that sometimes.

    But, back to our discussion of irrational exuberence. Combine this near-religious cult worship with a heavy dose of Chicago-style thuggery. A perfect recipe for caucus success. Or as BO himself was quoted this weekend, they like caucuses because they can “peel off support from my opponent.”

    This weekend, the significance of the preponderence of caucuses in the Dem primary’s and BO’s success with them has sunk in – this is NO proxy for either a REAL primary, OR a GE. The numbers are a small fraction of the electorate, and are easily dominated by a coctail of irrational exuberence and peer, union, cultural pressures that don’t apply at all in the privacy of the voting booth. Further, so many working people holding regular jobs in our service economy simply can’t attend – many regular people who are not political activists may be intimidated even to attend. A colleague of mine was a precinct captain near Iowa State (Hi, Hawk) so I heard the stories from the front. It is woefully underreported and has garnered only superficial recognition from media.

    Where did all these caucuses come from? They are new in NV and a few other places, right? Who decided that these would be a good idea and why? They seem to me to be singularly un-democratic.

    But, back to the problem at hand. If BO is the NASDAQ of 1999, how do we quickly run the clock forward to 2001? How does the world know TODAY that BO’s P/E ratio is simply out of wack, because the media refuses to look at the underlying fundamentals? We need to burst this tech bubble, and fast.

    A rational discussion about his lack of experience seems to get us nowhere. His $300k gift from Rezkorama or Rezkos involvement in the middle east falls flat (at least until the Repug smear machine get onto it). It’s a world gone mad.

    What has gotten traction so far? What will the love-struck media pick up? The key to March and April, I think.

    Please discuss. I’ll offer this article in today’s Trib – Metro section. (I’ll send the link under separate email.) The pastor of Bambi’s south side church of more than 20 years stepped down over the weekend. Who cares, you say? He was a pro-Farrakahn guy and staunchly black separatist, anti-white. The church members rail against mixed marriages, bi-racial kids. How is this promoting unity, I ask? And, BO found it necessary to join this church when he “wasn’t black enough” to win the first race for congress in the IL1stCD. Or, to win his Senate seat without knocking State Sen. Alice Palmer off the ballot. (Elbowing aside a woman.)

    Keep thinking, everyone. And, keep donating. I’ll join the fundraiser tomorrow, but I also donated several times last week and got my hill-supporting friends to donate for the first time, too.

    All best,
    III

  178. The thing with Texas is that I think we will do well with the primary vote, however, it will come down to getting the voters to come back out to caucus that night. Nonetheless, I think we will do okay during the secound phase too, since we will have a bigger pool of potential caucus goers.

    P.S. – Texas’s system is totally wierd! 😛

  179. …NYCMAX, show me the Obama crowd repeatedly cheering for Clinton and rising in their support and polling, and maybe I’ll believe what you’re saying that Clinton’s doing the same toward Obama will help Clinton. (On the other hand, that might prove nothing because the double-standard toward her should be clear–HE–the operative word–can get away with doing all sorts of shit, she can barely get away with anything.) Plus, we could use more nice positive proClinton stuff being posted here–too many of the Clinton supporters are NOT doing this now. Maybe some Obama supporters could. I mean this is just fucking ridiculous lately.

    I know people are down these past few days, but at the least, they shouldn’t start fawning toward the other side! WTF?!?!?

  180. About Obama and substance, I saw a quote from him…. Someone had asked what his plan was about some big problem and he said (though I ma not have the exact words): “Every few years someone floats some white paper. The important thing is to have the will to pass it.” Like, he doesn’t even CARE waht the details are, he’s not even going to HIRE somene to write up a plan. just take randomly whatever someone else writes. (That someone would be closet GOP!)

  181. Nothing yet on “Breaking News”

    HOPE it is not some “postponement” by BO until the Potomic, in case he KNOWS Hill is getting his OK.

    I have to take the dog out.

  182. The problem with the media is that they are a bunch of idiots. The media is not neutral…they have their own agenda and it has to do with keeping their power…that’s why they will ultimately turn on Obama to elect a repug Hillary Clinton is a threat to them. Our media is in the control of 6 – 8 white men I do not see one democrat in that bunch.

    Secondly, Obama hasn’t won anything, so what if he won Maine by a measley 300 votes Hillary will still pick up delegates. Hillary delegate count is growing too…so what! Is Maine of going to determine the GE election?

    Lets face facts what states come in play to win the GE? nuff said!

  183. “Children born to parents who are of two different races do not have a snowball’s chance in hell of making it in America, especially if the momma was white and the daddy was black. A child born to that union is an unfortunate statistic in a racially polarized society,” he said.

    Oh, I don’t know about all THAT, Rev. Wright. I’ve done just fine in America. Well, apart from Bush’s voodoo economics.

  184. H4T wrote: Texas is FIGHTING for Hillary, and if you don’t think Texans can fight, you don’t know Texans.

    This made me LOL. I’m originally from South Texas so I know exactly what you’re talking about. I get these visions in my head of all the Illinois bully boys trying their nonsense in TX, and it just makes me chuckle.

  185. A new Brown University poll of 474 likely Democratic primary voters in Rhode Island (2/9-2/10 with a MoE of 5%)

    * Hillary Clinton – 36%
    * Barack Obama – 28%
    * Uncommitted – 27%
    * Undecided – 9%

    The poll also shows these general election match-ups:

    * Clinton-43% McCain-32% Undecided-25%
    * Obama-42% McCain-30% Undecided-28%

  186. Maybe I didn’t read that thoroughly enough, but I thought that NY Sun piece showed some holes in Obama’s exterior that could be exploited.

    Jeez.

  187. Merryfield, stop being a know it all. Get past the title, what’s wrong with Hillary hitting Obama on his rush to meet with every dictator, pass out licenses to every undocumented person on the street, and to empty the jails. I mean, I agree in some part with Obama on those issues, but there is a case to be made the you don’t promise those things from the outset. Further, I think his social security idea is ridiculous.

  188. Fran wrote: NYCMAX, show me the Obama crowd repeatedly cheering for Clinton and rising in their support and polling, and maybe I’ll believe what you’re saying that Clinton’s doing the same toward Obama will help Clinton.

    Fran, if you don’t know by now that the rules are different for Hillary than they are for Obama, then there’s really nothing further to be said. The fact is that they are. It’s not right. It’s not fair. But whining about it only works for our opposition. It doesn’t work for our side. We have to win against a stacked deck.

    I think Hillary’s campaign understands this, which is why she is winning. And, yes, she IS winning.

  189. I think that the polls on a “general matchup” are irrelevant, since they do not factor in a Repub smear-job on Bambi.

  190. excerpts from James Wolcott in Vanity Fair:

    White Devils Speak with Forked Tongues

    Beware of the sweet murmurings about Barack Obama being shopped about by conservative pundits, warns David Seaton. They are up to no good. It is a spider’s web being spun, a deceitful, deceptive snare worthy of Les Liaisons Dangereuses. He quotes overripe opinion-column testimonials to Obama’s idealism and protean appeal by David Brooks, George Will, and Peggy Noonan, and asks:

    Why do they “like” Obama so much?

    Because they are terrified of Hillary Clinton, that’s why…

    It is this simple: in recent decades the Clintons are the only Democrats that win elections against Republicans… They don’t want to ever face them again, no more complicated than that.

    I share Seaton’s suspicions and conclusion. I’ve never bought the national polls showing Obama would be a stronger adversary for McCain than Clinton–I think those polls are as squeaky as the ones that showed Giuliani as the frontrunner all those months. I think Obama would probably beat McCain, but I know Hillary would because the Clintons have been through the thresher before and reflexively know how to judo flip Republican tactics and media attacks, not simply be reactive after taking a shot to the chin the way Gore and Kerry too often did. For better or worse for our democracy, the Clintons “get” the gestalt, know how to read a blitz.

  191. So then please post the holes in Obama’s exterior EXCERPTED. In my opinion, that article screamed PROPAGANDA just by the title. It’s yet another in the Is Hillary Finished? series of ads. I read no further than the title. I doubt there will be anything that good in there that it’s worth the damage repeating the article’s title might cause.

    At this point, I think people should have experienced enough of Obama’s behavior on the campaign trail to get an idea of what he’s going to be like in office. Do people really need to often use the media’s (almost always pro-him biased) portrayal of him to insult him, to undermine him and his campaign? I don’t think so. His actions, his quotes, his supporters, his whole crowd, his losses–they make the case against him and himself quite well….

  192. How is this for hutzpah… Madame Tussauds wax museum in Washington unveiled an exhibit today of Obama sitting in the oval office!

    Well, they are just going to have to melt that wax figure down after November and put it in a dress when Hillary wins…

  193. Further “in Depth” Edwards/Obama meeting cancellation” Bottom line, no one knows why. I hope it’s not stinky.

  194. From NBC’s Mark Hudspeth and Mark Murray
    When asked about the AP report that Obama and Edwards meeting is not happening today, the Obama campaign told us to talk to the Edwards camp. However, when pressed, they said it wouldn’t be inaccurate to report that the meeting will not happen today or tomorrow.

    A source close to Edwards confirms that the meeting has been canceled. But the source doesn’t know the reason behind it; it could be something as simple as a scheduling conflict.

  195. hey all – reading through this morning’s post – I find it very counterproductive to be calling one another Obama-moles and puffing about who are the real Clinton supporters on the board – Divided We Fall. As a newbie on the board, I know there’s variation here -from veterans of the board, veterans of political gamesmanship to people who are neither. Everyone’s an enthusiastic Clinton supporter and our enthusiasm gets ahead of us.

    But if we want to avoid such strife on the board – then, ADMIN please post GUIDELINES and REMINDERS about tone, what info should be held close to the vest or not and why (and if important info, then, send to Confidential Tips, etc). Then, if there’s people who are pushing the boundaries – remind them of the Guidelines. Simple enough.

  196. JOHNFLINT1985–as an AA myself, i have been saying for a while they need to skip the AA vote, its going to bho, period. it has nothing to do with hating the clintons as the media would have you believe, its pride in having a black president. that being tha case, move on. i do think that hrc has opened a new door for the dems, ie, the lation vote, they are flexing their powert and bho better beware. i think hrc is wasting her time at tavis smileys annual state of black america conference…they are worthless

  197. NYCMAX, excuse me? Who are you talking to there, with your, “if you don’t know by now that the rules are different for Hillary than they are for Obama, then there’s really nothing further to be said.” Are you speaking rhetorically to anyone who doesn’t know?

    If you meant that toward ME…HUH? In my post to you and in others here, I CLEARLY described the double-standards toward her. I said to you directly: “On the other hand, that might prove nothing because the double-standard toward her should be clear–HE–the operative word–can get away with doing all sorts of shit, she can barely get away with anything.”

  198. SpacegirlArt, that probably means more than the announcement of the cancellation. If their talking it down, it must mean anti-Hillary sentiment, which in turn would indicate Edwards is going to endorse Hillary. If the shoe were on the Obambi foot, it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Still, this is speculation, we will see…..

  199. Hey Fran,
    Of course it’s propaganda, it’s the NY Sun!!!
    Doesn’t mean they didn’t have one or two valid points in there worthy of consideration.

    You might know if you read the freaking thing.
    Please don’t lecture on what and how to post.
    I work hard to try and find something of value.

    You didn’t complain about the Rhode Island polls, I’m guessing.

  200. I agree Kaffeen. On the other hand, they (BO) may KNOW, so suddenly, he has to postpone as not to draw away undecided Edwards supporters before Potomac…

    ahhhhh…i LOVE conspiracy theories. NOT

    time will tell. We will have to sit and wait.

  201. johnflint1985 Says:

    February 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
    HillaryforTexas
    Sounds like a good scenario. No disrespect to our AA members here – but I think Hillary should stop wasting time going to AA churches. 80% of AA vote for Obama and this is something we have to deal with. Latinos on the other hand are much more on Hillary side. So to maximize their support sop we can see Latinos going and voting for her like in Nevada not like in New Mexico everything should be done to accommodate their wishes and all attention should be brought to their issues. Also white votes should be courted more actively – she should point to clear differences between their plans. To say that we are almost the same and that “we are both great” is diminishing her positions and people really start to think that they are the same.
    ***********************************************
    I totally disagree with you, Team Hillary need to go there and make her case. AA are still listening to Hillary because I know one young neighbor was very impress that Hillary went to Compton and Obama did not…that made a different and she voted for Hillary.

    It’s not the AAs that’s the problem it’s the activists and elites in the party they’ve drunk the kool-aid and have been most anti-Hillary. Let’s not forget the dems have a problem with sexism too…When that poll came out tha Hillary Clinton would be a better Commander in Chief…that surprised many in our own party.

  202. Hillary4Texas,
    I’d be interested to know the cities in TX that you think HRC will do well in. You said upthread SanAntonio is 80% latino so I’m assuming she’ll get a chunk of votes there.

  203. Guys, if HIllary loses, who will vote for B.O? I’m in MA, so I’m inclined to just write her in, but im curious as to your views?

  204. Guys, if HIllary loses, who will vote for B.O? I’m in MA, so I’m inclined to just write her in, but im curious as to your views?

    If it swings that way, I plan on writing HRC in also.

  205. BlueDem,
    I’ve learned since NH not to take any poll too seriously, but thanks for the snapshot of Rhode Island.

  206. http://krugman. blogs.nytimes. com/2008/ 02/11/on- race-cards- and-all-that/

    February 11, 2008, 9:35 am
    On race cards and all that
    I’m starting to get emails from angry people who tell me that I’m ignoring all the terrible race-baiting the Clintons have done. I think I’ll just outsource my response to Clive Crook — who is, by the way, an Obama supporter.

    Some commentators accused Bill of playing the race card when he called Obama’s account of his position on the Iraq war a “fairy tale”. How so? What did that have to do with race? And does Hillary’s comment about King, the only instance Morris bothers to offer, even qualify? She merely said that getting the job done required a can-do president as well as an inspiring and visionary champion. And so it did. I cannot see that this subtracts anything from King’s stature, or that it was intended to. Whatever its merits, this is the Clintons’ old theme, not a sinister new one: if elected, she would hit the ground running, whereas the inexperienced Obama would be out of his depth. It took a hyper-sensitive press to turn that comment into a racial slur.

  207. krugman. blogs.nytimes. com/2008/ 02/11/on- race-cards- and-all-that/

    February 11, 2008, 9:35 am
    On race cards and all that
    I’m starting to get emails from angry people who tell me that I’m ignoring all the terrible race-baiting the Clintons have done. I think I’ll just outsource my response to Clive Crook — who is, by the way, an Obama supporter.

    Some commentators accused Bill of playing the race card when he called Obama’s account of his position on the Iraq war a “fairy tale”. How so? What did that have to do with race? And does Hillary’s comment about King, the only instance Morris bothers to offer, even qualify? She merely said that getting the job done required a can-do president as well as an inspiring and visionary champion. And so it did. I cannot see that this subtracts anything from King’s stature, or that it was intended to. Whatever its merits, this is the Clintons’ old theme, not a sinister new one: if elected, she would hit the ground running, whereas the inexperienced Obama would be out of his depth. It took a hyper-sensitive press to turn that comment into a racial slur.

  208. Some Texas notes:

    Pete Gallego endorses Obama, not as significant as Drudge touts, but he has some sway, though the rest of the Team Clinton delegation will overshadow his message.

    Hillary has to play to all populations in Texas; Hispanics, AA, Asian Americans, and Caucasians. . . see below:

    A very useful AP story on how Texas may actually play to Obama’s strengths:

    The number of delegates available in each district is not equal: Delegates are allocated based on the votes cast in districts in the 2004 and 2006 presidential and gubernatorial elections.

    In the heavily urban, black districts of state Sens. Rodney Ellis of Houston and Royce West of Dallas, a good voter turnout in the past two elections means a combined total of 13 delegates at stake in the two districts on Election Day.

    Obama has been winning eight out of 10 back voters nationally, according to network exit polls.

    But in the heavily Hispanic districts of state Sens. Juan Hinojosa of McAllen and Eddie Lucio Jr. of Brownsville, election turnout was low, and only seven delegates are at stake.

    Clinton has been taking six of 10 Hispanic votes nationally. So a big South Texas win might not mean as much for Clinton as a big win for Obama in the two black districts.

    In 1988, Dukakis won the statewide primary with 33 percent of the vote, followed by Jackson at 25 percent. Al Gore had 20 percent, and Richard Gephardt had 14 percent.

    But despite Dukakis’ clear plurality victory, he split the state’s delegates almost evenly. Dukakis took 72 delegates, Jackson 67. Forty-four were uncommitted.

    “In ’88, Jesse Jackson paid attention to the caucus process and had grassroots organizers,” said Garry Mauro, a former state land commissioner and Clinton supporter. “Dukakis did not pay attention to the caucus process.”

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/A_twist_on_Texas.html#comments

  209. I could not see myself casting a vote for McCain, but I would write HRC, i bet she would get THOUSANDS of votes…

  210. GANG…DO NOT FORGET FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN DELEGATES. We for SURE have one in the bag. NO ONE campaigned here, (except Bambi’s “ooops, I couldn’t hep it Cable ads) voter turnout was a record. ALL NAMES were on the Ballot.

  211. Um, I’m NOT the only one complaining about the negative Clinton stuff posted. A few other people questioned that article’s being posted. You admit it’s propaganda and then YOU POST IT ANYWAY and with NO DISCLAIMER IN YOUR POST, with no analysis of WHY the article is dumb? What kind of strategy is that?

    The TITLE ALONE should disqualify it. This place doesn’t need to read titles like that. I don’t give a shit if the insides contain Obama molesting children. Post the inside supposedly helpful EXCERPTS. No need to post the title.

    How difficult is this for some people? Why the continued resistance? I’m not the first one who’s brought this up at this site, just the first one in this thread. No matter how many others make detailed excellent posts like HillaryforTexas, there’s STILL this resistance to not posting flattering Obama stuff and negative Clinton stuff. Hmmmm…. For a CLINTON SITE, that’s just ridiculous, as I’ve said. I can’t be the only one seeing this.

    Which polls, the one someone posted with the huge uncommitted/undecided margins? Polls are another thing I think people should probably be taking with healthy doses of salt right now….

  212. Okay, I’m gonna walk out now before I say anything else.

    Hope a more “upbeat” crowd is on Big Pink tonight. The bickering is a huge turn off to me.

  213. Hey All – could we please stop the talk about who we’re voting for or writing in in the GE – there are calls to be made in WI, DE, VA right now, pronto – please focus on the upcoming states and making her 44.

  214. carbynew
    well – I don’t think so anymore. And don’t want to sound like doom sayer – but if he will win Virginia and Maryland – it will be on the backs of the AA population. So I strongly believe – this part of voters are lost to her until Obama is in the race. And also – she will have more limited resources, openly hostile media and very little time. So I don’;t see how is it helpful to go and persuade a few AA to vote for her of they even in NJ where I live went 82% for her even though overall the state went for her. Newark and Paterson – which are black cities – took the whole county of Passaic and Essex toward him because of AA. So why waste time?

  215. Fran, I think I’m having trouble following your thesis. I inferred a “but” after the piece that you quoted because you concluded with:

    I know people are down these past few days, but at the least, they shouldn’t start fawning toward the other side! WTF?!?!?

    Hence, my response.

    I a good faith attempt to see a different perspective from your own admitted activist bias. Sometimes activism will not work. I think we’re at a point where shaping our own message around the media narrative could be useful.

    I think there are good points that have been made about the insidious nature of propaganda. I also think that those points have more bearing on less partisan sites.

  216. ..And I’m also having trouble understanding your post. I think we may be speaking about two different things in the overall. Let’s just drop this? I mean discussing it between me and you. You’re of course entitled to post whatever you want to whoever else you want.

  217. NYTimes blog: very interesting.
    fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/a-calumny-a-day-will-keep-hillary-away/index.html?ref=opinion

  218. Paul Krugman in his blog today:

    On race cards and all that
    I’m starting to get emails from angry people who tell me that I’m ignoring all the terrible race-baiting the Clintons have done. I think I’ll just outsource my response to Clive Crook — who is, by the way, an Obama supporter.
    Some commentators accused Bill of playing the race card when he called Obama’s account of his position on the Iraq war a “fairy tale”. How so? What did that have to do with race? And does Hillary’s comment about King, the only instance Morris bothers to offer, even qualify? She merely said that getting the job done required a can-do president as well as an inspiring and visionary champion. And so it did. I cannot see that this subtracts anything from King’s stature, or that it was intended to. Whatever its merits, this is the Clintons’ old theme, not a sinister new one: if elected, she would hit the ground running, whereas the inexperienced Obama would be out of his depth. It took a hyper-sensitive press to turn that comment into a racial slur.
    ….
    I think the press played the race card, not the Clintons.
    It really makes me sad to see so many people get played by the media on this. If you prefer Obama, fine — but the evil, race-card-playing Clinton campaign is no more real than Al Gore’s claim that he invented the Internet.
    And to Obama supporters, just remember: these people are not your friends. After they take down Hillary Clinton, if they can, your man will be next.

  219. Wow just read very sad news:

    Rep. Tom Lantos of California, the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress, has died, his spokeswoman said Monday.

    Lynne Weill said that Lantos, 80, passed away at the Bethesda Naval Medical Center in suburban Maryland.

    Lantos, a Democrat who chaired the House Foreign Affairs Committee, disclosed last month that he had been diagnosed with cancer of the esophagus
    *********************************************
    I didn’t know he was even ill. Tom Lantos was a very powerful figure in California politics and was a great congressman. My deepest condolences for his family

  220. Jesus Fran,
    The only disclaimer it needs is NY Sun. Please un-bunch your panties.
    As opposed to you, I actually would care if “the insides contain Obama molesting children.”
    I won’t clog up the board with anymore of this. I thought the piece had at least one salient point. You didn’t – or you still haven’t read it, or maybe like Lyndon Johnson, you think headlines are all that matter (you might not be wrong on that one). Whatever.

    I’m quite confident I’ve posted useful information on these blogs.
    But I’ll keep it to myself before I deal with a dictatorial headmaster.

  221. Spacegirlart – have you heard anyone you know in FL who’s against seating your votes? It just amazes me people are wiliing to strip that right from anyone. Especially those who didn’t always have the right to vote.

  222. “…or maybe like Lyndon Johnson, you think headlines are all that matter (you might not be wrong on that one).”

    –If the past eight years living under Bush haven’t proved Johnson correct in large part, haven’t made many americans see that headlines and soundbites and slogans affect people’s minds and are often all too many people see, I don’t know what would prove it correct. Titles are PROMINENTLY PLACED, and often for a specific reason.

    “I actually would care if “the insides contain Obama molesting children.”

    –For the last time, I said that in a certain context, which was, post the important good stuff, leave out the crap. Throw away the chaff and keep the wheat. That title and anything similar in the article is not helpful here right now, in my opinion at least; it would likely only increase the sky-is-falling posts and the feeling that negativity is A-okay to repeatedly post here.

  223. Informed, I and a few others already posted these articles earlier.

    I am glad you like my internet stock analogy. Thanks!

  224. Question for all of you…

    Is there a third option where Edwards not meeting Obama is concerned? Is it possible that it is just a temporary postponement do to… i.e… family reasons maybe and that a future meeting could still be in the works?

    I’m not saying that Edwards won’t support Hillary, but in order not to be blindsided and too hopeful, I just wonder if this is not a dirty trick on Obama’s side to raise hopes and then dash them.

  225. I just looked at Yahoo and the headlines are all HIM. The headlines at the mainstream sites are usually HIM. The headlines HERE should be all HER. I mean, this should be common sense. Like, duh.

  226. THE MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Contact: Dominick Quinney
    517-371-5410
    February 8, 2008

    MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY RELEASES 2008 NATIONAL CONVENTION PLEDGED DELEGATE, ALTERNATE, AND COMMITTEE ALLOCATION

    Allocation based on January 15, 2008 Primary Results

    LANSING – The Michigan Democratic Party today released the official allocation of pledged delegates, alternates, and committee members for Hillary Clinton and for Uncommitted based on the official January 15, 2008 Presidential Primary results certified by the Board of State Canvassers on February 4, 2008.

    Overall, Clinton will have 73 pledged delegates, 16 pledged alternates, and 10 committee members, and there will be 55 uncommitted delegates, 5 uncommitted alternates, and 8 uncommitted committee members.

    Eighty-three (83) pledged delegates and 15 pledged alternates will be elected at Congressional District Conventions on March 29, 2008. The remaining 45 pledged delegates and 6 pledged alternates will be elected at a State Central Committee meeting on May 17, 2008 in Grand Rapids. Committee members will be elected that day by the entire delegation.

    These 128 pledged delegates, 21 pledged alternates and 18 committee members together with 28 unpledged delegates (also known as “super delegates”) will constitute Michigan’s delegation to the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado on August 25-28.

  227. It is Obama who is dragging his feet, I heard yesterday on TV that Obama would TRY to make time in his schedule to meet with Edwards. Sounds to me he knows or fears something and just wants to delay any possible endorsement of Hillary until after tomorrow. I am not saying that Edwards is endorsing Hillary, I think that is still 50-50.

  228. I can feel where Fran is coming from. There is so much antihillary spin out there that you don’t want to come here to read more of it. Its frustrating when you have people that support HRC buy into the spin. I mean look how many have posted things like how Hillary is running a horrible campaign and Obama has the “momentum”. They seem more impressed by him than her. In my opinion, Hillary Clinton is a fantastic candidate and she’s had great success in this race. I don’t think she or the campaign are given enough credit for the brilliant moves they’ve made:Michael Whouley & the ground game in NH, focusing on the absentee ballots in CA, recognizing SC was a lost cause and focusing on later states, going to Florida after her big win. And yet BO racks up wins in the all important caucus states of Maine and Nebraska so people think Hillary is chopped liver. Constructive criticism is fine but like H4T said its all in how you frame it.

  229. nikki22–Thanks

    does edwards endorsement really matter at this time….it might have when he initially dropped out..i think it does not mean much now..bho probably figutred that out also..he does not need him..neither does hrc

  230. Nikki and Fran, I think there are some people who may be trolls but there are others who are genuinely nervous and anxious and think this is the place that they can share their anxiety and look for reassurance from all of us. Some of us are mede of stronger constitution, have thick skin, and are not easily panicked.
    It is kind of a therapy for them. Just like there are frfamily and friends who are eternal worriers and pessimists.

    Sometime, it is hard to say who is who, I admit. But, I think we can make out the difference. Those who need reassurance we should provide them. There are some who randomly post without introduction and randomly disappear and they seem to want to plant negativity. Those, we should monitor.

  231. TPS
    my reson exactly – she should drop the AA propaganda and switch to someone else who is trully undecided or supports her.

  232. “I mean look how many have posted things like how Hillary is running a horrible campaign and Obama has the “momentum”. They seem more impressed by him than her. In my opinion, Hillary Clinton is a fantastic candidate and she’s had great success in this race. I don’t think she or the campaign are given enough credit for the brilliant moves they’ve made”

    –Yep!!

  233. As a newbie here that has lurked for a few months now, I have to admit that I pass over the negative posts here and go for the more positive.

    There is enough negative out there that I don’t need to get an ulcer. Not trying to tell anyone what to post or not to post, just stating my preferences.

    I used to be a CNN addict. I rarely watch now because of their blatant disregard for fair and balanced reporting.

  234. There is a lot of the “Fact Hub” and the Hillary Hub countering BOBS. I just WISH they had some ankle biter out there countering everyone in the media on every point in their face.

  235. Re Edwards: I don’t know what’s going to happen, but if it were a postponement, why wouldn’t Obama’s people say that? Instead they referred requests for comment to Edwards’ camp. There’s no need to be cryptic if the explanation is simple.

    As for the value of the endorsement, I think it would be a big boost for Hillary PR-wise. Remember, the MSM is pretty much assuming Obama will get every endorsement that comes down the pike.

  236. WOW! I just logged back on and boy, is there a lot of fascinating stuff being posted here.
    Illinois – weird that Jeremiah Wright retired today. guess the trinity Church bylaws are beginning to generate more interest
    Paddy,
    Excellent article.
    NYCMax – Your ‘conspiracy theory’ sounds pretty plausible to me.
    Idunn – thanks for the laughs.
    Everyone, thanks for the links to the Krugman piec and other articles.
    HRC is gonna win. in the meantime, for the next 3 weeks I’m seriously curtailing my BM exposure.

  237. Paula, what would be your take then? if it is a “done deal”, why would Edwards wait? TOMORROW is an election. He is watching all that is happening. Unless Bambi asked him to wait, but I cannot imagine that Edwards would do that.

  238. This from Craig crawford out conssitent supoorter and defeder of MSM attacks:

    You Can’t Reap What You Didn’t Sow
    By Craig Crawford | February 11, 2008 6:00 AM | Permalink | Comments (269)

    It is a bit late for change if Hillary Rodham Clinton’s staff shakeup has anything to do with her miserable grass-roots organizing effort for retail-oriented caucuses. That phase of the Democratic presidential race is just about finished.

    Rival Barack Obama’s charisma accounts for some of his ability to roll over Clinton in caucuses that demand more time and devotion from voters than primaries do. But the Obama team also proved more adept at the organizing details required to get voters to the caucuses and help them know what to do once there.

    Jamie, a Trail Mix Trailspotter in Washington State, filed this observation after caucusing for Clinton on Saturday:

    “Obama simply had the best organization on the ground. Pick up the people at churches and deliver them. The Clinton folks had to get there on their own with little or no contact from the Clinton campaign other than one training session and an email to encourage attendance.”

    Such reports from the field are common. The Clinton team’s strategy of focusing on big-state primaries makes sense, but that’s no excuse for letting Obama outmaneuver them in caucus states.

  239. anbritt,
    I agree regarding Edwards. The only possible value he could provide Hillary is in the North Carolina primary. But even on that I’m not so sure. There’s some confusion about whether JE would have gotten reelected if he had run again. Maybe there are NCarolina people on the board who could give us some insight.

  240. Fran
    I hate him and his campaign but he is winning state after state so how is that uplifting and optimistic for us here?

  241. This from Craig crawford out conssitent supoorter and defeder of MSM attacks

    I meant to say:

    This from craig Crawford consistent supporter and defender against MSM attacks

  242. One of the points I made the other day is it is time to go to DEFCON 5, which means turning up extreme heat on Obama though any and all means necessary.
    Of course no one else is going to do it, and of course the media has not only given this guy the free-est of free rides, but they’ve promoted him in an unprecedented fashion.
    That’s why I said it’s time for President Clinton to get after him and get in his head again. It’s the only time in this campaign Obama’s numbers have stalled, it’s the only time the big media narrative of “The Golden Child” has been disrupted.
    I shouldn’t have to tell people here that even Hillary’s big wins have been glossed over by BM as if they didn’t occur, as if the underlying realities & demographics which are in her favor haven’t been almost entirely minimized or ignored.
    And so if it’s “going negative” that’s required, if it means “campaigning like republicans”, I thought it’d be interesting to compare & contrast what actual republicans (like those at the NY Sun) would do.

    You getting it now?

  243. johnflint1985,

    Winning state after state? Don’t you mean winning caucas after caucas…small percentages overblown by the already overblown media?

  244. HRC could cause world peace in one swipe of her hand and the BM would call it scandal. WE KNOW who were are dealing with. We need to fight like hell for her. She has for us.

  245. I guess then that I don’t see the argument. He hasn’t proven himself in large primaries. February was going to be his month anyway. Hillary is still very competitive in general polling. Shutting the door on Hillary Clinton’s achievements to date and those still to come just seems wrong to me.

    I don’t me to argue. Just my personal opinion.

  246. Myself and a few others over at Democratic Underground have been battling like stormtroopers fighting the Obamabots on each and every issue but they are like nazi’s they don’t want to hear of their messiah.

    They ought to just rename DU as Obama underground, the bias is phenomenal

  247. “miserable grass-roots organizing effort for retail-oriented caucuses…Rival Barack Obama’s charisma accounts for some of his ability to roll over Clinton in caucuses that demand more time and devotion from voters than primaries do…”

    –Um, yeah…. This guy’s supposedly a favorable reporter on Clinton? So what do the unfavorable ones look like? Jesus.

    More propaganda…sigh.

    That last sentence—nope! Screw you, Crawford. This is what I think that last sentence of his should say:

    “The Obama team’s strategy of focusing on caucuses makes sense, but that’s no excuse for letting Clinton outmaneuver them in big states.”

  248. well the maneuver of having people meet at churches is excellent…this could also be used in the primary or GE…

    what is this about Texas having a caucus as well???

  249. JanH
    Ther is no argument here – just conversation.
    In general I think if she will have Yx and Oh – he is done with. PA and WI also would be helpfull. The only thing – it is too far away and things can change.

  250. johnflint how is YOUR posting “he wins state after state” uplifting and positive for us here?

    If you can’t find something positive to say, then STFU.

    I swear to God, some people here are more concerned with defending their own egos and their own fears than getting Hillary elected, it seems.

    I’m out of here. You people are FUCKING DEPRESSING, and are HURTING Hilalry’s chances by your constant, unrelenting negativity. I do not give a SHIT if you feel the need to “vent”. This is not about YOU and your goddamn fragile emotions! Grow UP!

    If you want to “express your fears”, go get a therapist. We are not here to hold your hand, we are here to get Hillary elected. What a bunch of self-centered whining candy asses. Get off this fucking site if you have nothing good to say.

    I am disgusted at the level of resistance to the idea of being positive on here. If admin doesn’t rein it in, I’m gone.

    I feel like I am reading DailyKooks on here lately. Buncha whining loser crybabies.

    I’m gone for now.

  251. johnflint1985,

    This is exactly what Fran and I are talking about. You do realize millions of democrats in some of the biggest states in the union gave Hillary win after win on SuperTuesday. She got a million voters to come out and support her in Florida when there was NO ACTIVE CAMPAIGNING! That’s the kind of thing that gets me excited about Hillary, not winning caucuses that disenfranchise the most voters.

  252. Moononpluto – I came here because I couldn’t take DU anymore, even in the non GDP threads! I had a ton of people on ignore too and that didn’t help. I stopped reading there a month ago and it was pretty bad when I left. I can’t imagine what is like now. Props to all of you who brave that place!

  253. I agree with Craig Crawford’s analysis there.

    SpacegirlArt, Having Edwards’ endorsement come out today makes no sense for HRC. it would have no effect on tomorrow’s primaries, where Obama is heavily favored. Announcing it the day after the Potomac primary is smarter because it would dominate the new cycle on a day when Obama’s string of victories would be big news.

  254. Maybe the key is that this ‘momentum’ thing applies to candidates like Edwards and the other smaller candidates, and in a different way to Obama, and to Hillary scarcely at all.

    For one thing, most of her base is people who don’t contribute (or go out in bad weather to vote) unless they think it’s NEEDED (like seeing her send her own money to the campaign).

  255. The Obamabots seem to be seeping onto the HRC Blogs…

    I wrote back HELL NO (only in a way that MIGHT get posted!) ;-D

    by JayinMN
    2/11/2008 1:35:59 PM
    I think the DNC needs to maybe just split the delegates in Mi and FL

    that way they both can be seated, and it stays fair to both parties.

    I mean we don’t want to reward MI and FL for breaking the rules do we? that would just be bad for future elections and primaries, so split them each 50/50 and then hopefully the states have learned their lesson and wont rush next time.

    Florida and MI would have been HUGE right now had they been patient and not tried to make themselves the most important states

  256. nikki22
    she does win big states and now it is about delegates. She needs to win hanfdily in the rest of the big ones to come closer to the number 2000

  257. Hillary4Tx,

    For the record, my idea of “going negative” is positive thinking.

    But you’re way out of line; I don’t think you have the right to speak to anyone that way, as you did to JohnFlint.

    I’m outta here too.

  258. yup, its a total obamafest at DU, but they need to be taken head on, a few of us just basically bait them heavily now because they can dish it out but can’t take it when we throw it back at them, i swear, the Obama lot at DU are just a bunch of 13 year old kids i think, with nothing else to do.

    I’m not taking shit from anyone on DU. Kos is worst, but then again i’m not surprised,

    The party is on the verge of being taken over by wingnuts if Obama wins that will make the republican evangelicals look like kindergartners.

  259. Fran-Craig Crawford is one of the good analysts out there. He repeatedly calls the MSM on their crap and he’s generally fair to both Clintons.

    Hillary4Texas-I wouldn’t want to make you mad!

  260. hillfans, i gotta run to work but hillary will still pickup delagates tuesday and next week in wisconsin. we need positive posts here not down and outer newcomers spredding depression. let’s have a big fundraising party here on tuesday. i will be off tuesday. DONATE AT LEAST 10.44!!!!

  261. I hope Edwards endorses Hillary. I’m tired of seeing Dems kick Hillary in the face with endorsements for Obama, I’m hoping that that Edwards feels Hillary’s pain after John Kerry endorsed Obambi, which was a direct slap in the face for him. It’s okay–this time next month, we will all be laughing after we were “worried”. Hillary will take Ohio, TX, Rhode Island and Vermont, and BOOM, we are on our way to the White House. See ya Obambi!

  262. …I’ve heard that about him but he used the “charisma” word. He isn’t reporting “facts” now; he’s propagandizing an opinion, a soundbite, in my opinion. That last line of his posted here is ridiculous. He’s pushing for Obama now, it sounds like to me.

    I don’t trust anybody today–that’s my default position. It seems too many people will turn once they’ve taken a swig of the “kool-aid” people keep discussing.

  263. CLINTON SEES NO MOMENTUM PROBLEM
    From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones
    WHITE MARSH, MD — One day before three contests her campaign has already said it expects her to lose, Hillary Clinton today declined to admit any concern over the momentum her rival could pick up if he sweeps February’s primaries and caucuses.

    The senator said that she was ahead in superdelegates, that she didn’t have “any idea” when this race would be decided, and that Obama’s big wins over the past few days to the caucus process and to black voters. “We had a great night on Super Tuesday. I’m still ahead in the popular vote and in delegates. We’re each picking up delegates,” she said. “I believe if you look at the states that are upcoming I am very confident. I am absolutely looking to Ohio and Texas, because we know that those are states where they represent the broad electorate in this country. They represent the kind of voters that are going to have to be convinced and won over in the general election.” (Question: Sure Ohio is a swing state, but does Clinton really see Texas going from red to blue in 2008?)

    The senator also reiterated her belief that superdelegates should use their independent judgment in choosing whom to back.

    On whether Obama’s momentum could impact Ohio and Texas: “I don’t think it does. I think those are independent electorates and everybody knew, you all knew what the likely outcome of these recent contests were and, you know, my husband didn’t win any of these caucus states. You know, he didn’t win Maine. He didn’t win Colorado. He didn’t win Washington. This is about making a strong case. You know, before Super Tuesday, you all were reporting the same thing about all of the momentum. It didn’t turn out to be true. Let’s have the election. You know, instead of talking about them and pontificating about or punditing about them. Let’s let people actually vote, and I think in Texas and Ohio, I will do very, very well, and I intend to run very competitive winning campaigns there.”

    Clinton said it had been Patti Solis Doyle’s decision to step down as campaign manager and cited the toll long campaigns take on families. She also said she looked forward to competing in Wisconsin and urged Obama to debate her there.

    “I’m gonna compete in Wisconsin. I’m looking forward to competing in Wisconsin. It’s kind of like one day at a time, where we’re going what we’re doing. But, you know, I have a very strong campaign already on the ground in Ohio, in Texas, we’re getting, you know, prepared for Wisconsin. We’re going to compete everywhere that’s the advantage of being able to, you know, have the resources and have the ability to compete everywhere.”

    Clinton said she had not been surprised by the large margin of her recent losses to Obama, citing the fact that they were caucus states and in the case of Louisiania the “very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand.”

    In response to a question about Obama saying that during the Clinton Administration, Democratic lost their majorities in Congress, as well as governorships, Clinton said Americans had positive memories of the Clinton Administration. And they took on a lot of problems, and that you win some, you lose some.

    Clinton also commented again of Defense Secretary Gates’ statement that a pause in US troop withdrawals from Iraq could be necessary and restated her belief in the need to end the war.

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/11/655726.aspx

  264. Blue Democrat, asking nicely does not seem to be working, so yeah, I went there.

    I will do anything I have to do to get Hillary a win. I will fight dirty as a junkyard dog. I will call up, down and black, white, and insist that it’s true til it BECOMES true. That is how this game is played. You control the MESSAGE. And I will get up in the grill of and challenge ANYONE who says or even implies or fears she can’t win this.

    I will rail against every damn LIE of BM, every time, and the fact that a Hillary supporter is repeating it makes it no less of a LIE and a SPIN.

    This is how you WIN. This is what Hillary’s army needs to be ABOUT – fighting back, not mindlessly copying and pasting the LIES and handwringing.

  265. Look, it’s not a matter of what order the states vote in, it’s HOW they vote.

    I’m still looking for a good metaphor for this, but suppose you have a garden with different kinds of flowers and vegetables. In different parts of the garden different things are growing and ready to be picked, regardless of what path you’re taking through the garden.

    The DNC has laid out a path that has been zigzagging back and forth between the woo-woo caucus states and the bread and butter primary states. If the path were taking them in different order, the ‘momentum’ would look different.’

  266. Governor Votes For Clinton, Says Ohio Crucial For Her

    Last Update: 1:21 pm

    COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Gov. Ted Strickland says it would be difficult for Hillary Clinton to win the Democratic presidential nomination without taking Ohio’s March 4 primary.

    The governor says Ohio and Texas are the most important upcoming states in the primary battle between Clinton and Barack Obama.

    Strickland says while he admires Obama and his proposals, Clinton has more experience and could hold her own during a tough presidential race. The Democratic governor endorsed Clinton last year.

    Strickland cast his vote for the New York senator Monday at the Franklin County Board of Elections in Columbus, to draw attention to the ability to vote early in Ohio.

    Meanwhile, the Obama campaign announced it would begin airing its first statewide television ad Tuesday.

  267. In the coming weeks Hillary can win in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. Despite all their enthusiasm and fundraising, does the Obambi team really think that they will take the nomination away from someone who has won primaries in states commanding over 215 electoral votes? Obambi has only won primaries in states commanding roughly a third that number. Obambi can’t win those electoral votes in a GE and almost certainly won’t in a GE where he is the nominee.

  268. ““I believe if you look at the states that are upcoming I am very confident. I am absolutely looking to Ohio and Texas, because we know that those are states where they represent the broad electorate in this country. They represent the kind of voters that are going to have to be convinced and won over in the general election….

    You know, before Super Tuesday, you all were reporting the same thing about all of the momentum. It didn’t turn out to be true. Let’s have the election.”

    –AMEN. Ignore the propaganda. Go Hillary!

  269. While I don’t have anything positive to add, I certainly don’t have anything negative to say. I believe the campaign is about where it expected to be at this time after all of those caucus states. The LA result was very predictable. I wish I knew how to provide something useful that would make winning a certainty. I believe it can be one without my help.

    Meanwhile I will continue to lurk here.

  270. Clinton Remains Confident
    Posted by Fernando Suarez

    (CBS)From CBS News’ Fernando Suarez:

    WHITE MARSH, MD. — In an effort to position herself as the underdog, Hillary Clinton told reporters today that she won “against all odds” in the Super Tuesday states where she was victorious, despite heavy leads in the polls in those states.

    Clinton held a press conference shortly after touring a General Motors Hybrid Technology plant and maintains that despite losing all 5 contests this past weekend, her campaign remains strong. When asked if supporters should worry she said, “To the contrary … we had a great night on Super Tuesday.”

    “We won states Democrats have to win in November. You know it is highly unlikely that we will win Alaska, or North Dakota, or Idaho or Nebraska, but we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan and we’ve got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri, and Oklahoma. So I feel good about where we are,” she said.”

    “I commend Senator Obama for on his recent victories, but I believe that if you look at the states we have coming, I am very confident.”

    The states Clinton is referring to are Ohio and Texas, two Mar. 4 states with lots of delegates.

    “I am absolutely looking to Ohio and Texas,” Clinton said, “because those are states where they represent the broad electorate of this country. They represent the kind of voters that are going to have to be convinced and won over in the general election. So this is an ongoing contest and I feel very good about it.”

    Clinton told reporters that even though she lost these last 5 contests, she has already won the states the Democratic nominee is going to need to win in November.

    Clinton added that she’s not new to this game. “And maybe it’s because I’ve been down this road a long time, and I understand where the way campaigns unfold. We’ve had a two-person race for one week and I think that changes the dynamic, you know we had to rush into these contests that have occurred over the weekend and are coming up tomorrow. But now people will be able to take a breath and begin to really focus on the two of us who are on this ballot together and be able to draw the comparisons and the contrasts.”

    Clinton also said that she plans to compete in the upcoming Wisconsin primary on Feb. 19. “We’re getting prepared for Wisconsin. We’re going to compete everywhere. That’s the advantage of being able to have the resources and the ability to compete everywhere so you’ll certainly be following me to Wisconsin.”

    Clinton was also asked why she has decided to put so much focus on Republican John McCain when less than a month ago she refused to comment on statements he made about her Iraq policy, originally citing that there would be “time” to engage him once he and she became the nominees. Clinton said now that McCain is the nominee, even though she is not, it is fair to draw the contrasts.

    The Clinton campaign is also holding a conference call with reporters this afternoon to discuss McCain’s “contrasts” further
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/02/11/politics/fromtheroad/entry3818210.shtml

  271. Here is a something for the superdelegates to think about. Take a look at the Electoral Map and you will see that Hillary has won states that in the GE would have her close to the magic number of 270, PA, TX and OH will put her well over the top. Obama has won the smaller states and yes by impressive numbers yet most are red states because republicans have been crossing over to vote for him. The Democrats have no chance of winning these states in November. So how in good conscience can you vote for or support a candidate that has not proven he can win the electoral college? Are you willing to allow Republican crossovers to select our nominee especially when a vast majority of these voters will not be voting Democratic in November?

  272. Clinton reaches out to LGBT community in advance of tomorrow’s primary contests
    by Lisa Keen
    contributing writer
    Monday Feb 11, 2008

    Clinton said her position reflects her experience in fighting against continued efforts to amend the federal constitution to ban gay marriage. ©2008 Rick Friedman
    On the heels of losing more small state contests and preparing to go into Tuesday’s primaries in D.C., Maryland, and Virginia, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton gave an exclusive interview Sunday to The Washington Blade.

    Barack Obama won four small state contests for the Democratic nomination over the weekend, beating Clinton by comfortable margins in Louisiana, Maine, Nebraska, and Washington State. And Republican Mike Huckabee picked up Louisiana and Kansas, to John McCain’s win in Washington state.

    Gay issues did not get much media play in the Democratic contests; though several news reports in Washington State made note that caucus ballots asked voters whether they were gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender.

    “I went to the Democratic gathering at Highland Middle School, in the Overlake part of Bellevue,” wrote Seattle Times reporter Danny Westneat. “…Practically everyone refused to fill out the part of the ballot that asked whether they were gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender. Why a political party needs to know who you’re sleeping with, I have no idea.”

    And during a large rally in Seattle Feb. 8, Obama once again included mention of gays in his stump speech to the crowd. (Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn’t.)

    Clinton replaced her campaign manager and loaned her coffers $5 million, signs that normally prompt speculation that her campaign is in trouble. But the New York State senator still holds a 20-some-delegate lead over Obama (depending on whose numbers who look at) and, while Obama is expected to pick up Virginia, Maryland, and D.C. this week, Clinton is widely favored to win the giant delegates states of Texas and Ohio on March 4.

    But in an apparent attempt to woo gay voters in the D.C.-Maryland-Virginia primaries Tuesday, Clinton’s campaign made a Saturday night phone call to Blade editor Kevin Naff and offered a 10-minute interview Sunday morning. Naff managed to cover considerable territory during the interview, including why she favors repealing only part of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), compared to Obama’s preference for repealing the entire law.

    Clinton said her position reflects her experience in fighting against continued efforts to amend the federal constitution to ban gay marriage. In those fights, she said, the Republican majority had seen success in using gay marriage as a wedge issue.

    “I was able to explain to other senators that DOMA ensured marriage would be left to the states – that was critical in defeating the amendment,” she said. “It gave us an argument with both Republicans and Democrats.”

    The Democratic race continues to have the potential to go down to the convention floor in Denver come August.

    Meanwhile, the delegate count in the Republican race -down to just McCain and Huckabee now-makes it a technical impossibility for Huckabee to win. Yet Huckabee won the endorsement last week of Focus on the Family leader James Dobson and is hanging in the race.

    Dobson highlighted John McCain’s refusal to support a federal constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage as his reason for backing Huckabee.

    “I am deeply disappointed,” said Dobson, “the Republican Party seems poised to select a nominee who did not support a Constitutional amendment to protect the institution of marriage.”

    http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=glbt&sc3=&id=56101&pf=1

  273. Good Point 1950Dem, and I am with Texas on the junk-yard dog thing. I am being allowed to post less and less on theHC.com site. And I consider that a badge! LOL

    But I still post RAH RAH posts too, and they get through. Hoping there will be some monitor asleep at the wheel one of these times.

  274. HillaryforTexas,

    I agree, that’s the way to fight. Absolutely.
    But the people to fight with are out there, not here.

    I had people jumping down my throat for posting an article – which regardless of its origins did have a few redeeming qualities seen through the prism of “going negative” – when I’ve worked round the clock to add any (and many) tidbits here that I thought might help.
    And many have thanked me for it.

    If you wanna lash out & blister people, there’s certainly no shortage of them – out there.

    I’m definitely taking the rest of the day from here. Hopefully we get a good announcement or two later today and people can calm down and reset.

  275. FYI–HRC still leads in total number of votes received She still has a better case than bho..do you really think ND, SC, ALASKA, IDAHO, NEBRASKA are going blue in the ge? He has yet to win the big states!!!He lost big in MAS, NY, NJ CA AND
    FLA. This thing is going all the way…racking up wins in small states where 3500 people come to caucus or like nebraska where 26000 caucus looks good on paper, but…he can’t win the biggies, he is losing the asian and latino vote big time.

    i am rambling i know but this is getting frustrating…stay positive.jonnie mac had money problems last summer and was traveling coach with one assistant and no staff…new hampshire happened and look where he is today. mitt romney would love to be in HRCs position…the darkest hour is just bfore dawn…I BELIEVE, ANYBODY WITH ME?

  276. Basil9 – in our house, we think that the Wright retired in advance of the GE. (Of course, he wrongly assumes what the outcome will be!) We think that the church bylaws, Rev. Wright’s personal views, and the relationships with Farrakahn (who is in BO’s senate district) need to come to the fore NOW.

  277. Bullshit! If Dean wants to slap FL and MI he can find a way that does not disenfranchise or distort the way those voters voted!

    Dean messed up already by making threats he can’t enforce. Mucking around trying to make some deal or adjustment will just make both sides mad. He needs to either reject them all as he threatened, or seat them asap just as they are.

  278. Can admin post this line from Hillary in the next post here because I think Can admin maybe post this line from Hillary in the next post here? I think it’s great:

    “You know, before Super Tuesday, you all were reporting the same thing about all of the momentum. It didn’t turn out to be true. Let’s have the election.”

    –That’s fundamental. “Let’s have the election” could even be the title of a new post. Enough biased pundit bloviating and enough inaccurate, possibly rigged pre-election polls (who funds them all? I don’t trust them, pro- or conClinton, haven’t trusted them at all since 2004, polls, studies—IMO, these things can easily be manipulated to favor a certain result; observer bias, methodology bias—these things and many more can also inadvertently affect the results).

    Let the voters speak with their votes!

  279. I agree Dem, and I told that boy so on HC.com.

    Re: Wright…looks like the Big Red Machine is stocking it’s boiler! YES!!!!

  280. OK, according to the Page, the Edwards-Obama meeting is going to be rescheduled. Sounds to me like Obama’s not all that interested in Edwards’ endorsement, frankly. I agree with someone earlier who said it looks like this is being intentionally dragged out, probably by Obama.

    BTW, on Taylor Marsh’s site, she links to Mark Halperin’s 16 reasons why Obama does well. My point in bringing this up is, NOT ONE OF THEM has anything to do with policies or what he’d do as president.

  281. “But the people to fight with are out there, not here.”

    –How the hell do you know? How can you speak with such certainty there? Most of the people here are ANONYMOUS.

  282. I just found out that a diary I wrote is up at the Hill Hub!

    http://www.hillaryhub.com

    It’s called “November Polls, First Time Voters, Women, Girls & Hillary”

    Please go look if just because it has pics of two cute and adorable Hill supporters and a funny video with Julia Louise Dreyfus!

    Cute and funny, surely worth a click!

  283. More from Taylor today:

    Last night on “60 Minutes” was a prime example. Once you got past Katie’s fetish for asking if Clinton could survive losing the fight for the nomination, which she has asked over and over again in interviews with Clinton, the comparison of that interview with what Obama offered was stunning. Clinton actually made it a point to talk about policies and what she might do as president and for the American people. Obama didn’t mention anything of note. It was all about him. I guess policies don’t matter when you actually believe by sheer personality you can move Washington. He’ll evidently just take everyone elses ideas, mix them up and see how it all turns out.

    So in the midst of a void of any criticism of Obama, which is simply not allowed, or his lack of specifics, his one single solitary speech on which he’s made not one single solitary move in the Senate to lead us out of Iraq, it’s not exactly wrong to wonder what the man is actually going to do. However, bring it up and the Obamabots launch. I can’t even print the emails I get on my hate mail page. The vile assumption that our political messiah has arrived is something we’re all supposed to accept.

    It used to simply be called a double standard. Clinton rules are now the reality, because there is one set of rules for Hillary Clinton, and another set for Barack Obama. Her record is combed over continually. The fact he has no record or has ever accomplished one thing is ignored. He simply can do no wrong. She can do no right. But as far as hate goes, if Obama is the political messiah, you sure can’t tell it from the way his legions of fans react. “Hate springs eternal” is dead on.

  284. Who in the Heck is Bobby Cutts and why is he so important CNN, MSNBC AND FOX are carrying him and his drivel?

  285. I find it interesting that the “what if” question comes up (what if Obambi is the nominee) frequently and that alot of people, myself included, would never vote for him (and would likely vote against him, even to the detriment of our party). I’m sure the Obambi-bots feel the same way. So, Howard Dean, in the interest of winning the Presidency for the democratic party (and having the most crucial power of appointing future supreme court nominees) shouldn’t you be considering to broker a Clinton-Obama ticket? Hillary is the most experienced, Barry will have his chance down the line and learn from the best. I think, if done early enough, we could unite this party and take over the White House. I think a Clinton-Obama ticket has a better chance than the reverse. Time will tell.

  286. i don’t understand one thing… i have seen many posts with msg virginia will go to obama because of AA’.. AA’ are only 20% of the population in VA… i just don’t get american politics 🙁

  287. I haven’t done much at the hillaryclinton.com blogs. Very early I made a blog there but it just attracted trolls, and the list of blog-names there looks to me like a lot of them are made by trolls. I’ve been spending energy on established forums that have better troll control and are read by a wider audience.

    No offense to the hc site, but it was made hastily and understaffed, and in any case is an obvious target.

    I do wish there were a site like HufPo but unbiased or pro-Hil; some good people like RFK Jr seem to use HufPo for lack of better.

  288. don’t the persons thqat control media love this country and simply want to put future of this country in the hands of pot head.. total BS

  289. Now a Yahoo headline says:

    Clinton leading Obama among superdelegates–key support

    –I almost swallowed my tongue when I read that there. Some wise internet demon must have momentarily overtaken Yahoo’s anti-Clinton pro-Obama spin machine.

    My neck hurts; I can’t sit here anymore right now.

    Keep at it,

    Fran

  290. I am beginning to wonder if trolls are not controlling HRC webblog. NOTHING agaiinst him gets in, even if phrased nicely!

  291. just finish off obambi in tomorrow’ polls… the idiot is trying to steal the nomination without winning big states.. he is winning all caucus where the voter turn out won’t even be 5% of what primary turn out will be…

  292. Does anyone know what’s up with http://www.taylormarsh.com? I can’t seem to get to the site.

    REgarding here: At first, I was against trying to tell people what to do and I am still feeling that way. However, I ventured out to some sites today and it is pretty bad out there with great media/stories for Bambi and stories dancing on Hillary’s grave.

    This has GOT to be the place where Hillary fans can get a respite and feel good. That doesn’t mean that we are in a cocoon, it just means that this place should be a haven and right now it doesn’t seem so with som much criticism about her campaign. What’s done is done and the campaign is making adjustments. Enough!

  293. paddy4Hill Says:
    February 11th, 2008 at 7:19 am
    The Case Against Electing Barak Obama

    BRAVO what a great post!

    Is there any way we can link to just that post instead of the whole string coming up?

    It’s worth putting up at big blogs starting with hillaryclinton.com and also Huffington Post, mydd, etc.

    One little correction: it should be “The Case Against Nominating Barack Obama.”

  294. Okay, my voice is completely gone now, so I’m hanging up the phone for the day.

    Any good news since I’ve been gone?

  295. with obama in WH… expect the jobs to be outsourced to kenya and other african countries 🙂 in addition to India/China

  296. I’ve always been 90% sure Hillary will be our nominee. Call me crazy but I like that she’s focusing on big states and winning the most delegates. Taylor Marsh had a good chart up a few days ago about how past nominees, republican and democrat, have been chosen. Bottom line-No one has made it another way.

  297. tiburones, I’m sorry if my posts have upset you and people like you. I am really only trying to help, but I think I’ve said enough.

    I’ve been reading this place for a while now–one of the few places I do read because I can’t stand the many lies and spins being peddled as “news” elsewhere. I must also follow more of the website profile links from the good posters here. So many posts to read through, I get lost in the thread seas….

    Now I’m going to be with the birds….

  298. As my mother says, “Don’t you call me an AFRICAN American, damn it! I’m a black American! Africa don’t have nothin’ to do with me.”

  299. i was following ron paul some time back in one of the debates… why was ron paul not even considered by american voters… he is promising and different than other republicans.. he just doesn’t want any more wars.. and he is more concerned about the country…

    and mitt romney understand whats going on in american universities.. in one of townhalls he mentioned half of the students in american univ pursuing masters are from china and India… he is not considered either… haven’t heard anything that is useful for this country from john mccain… he always talks about surge and keeping troops in iraq… he is the nominee… hmmm interesting

  300. WOW. Quite an article, and very vicious blogs! Goodness. Sounds like the diatribes of Rush and the NEoCons…in Bambi clothing! And I guess you happened to notice the TWO HUGE BANNNER ADS on that page???

    Makes me so GD mad. I am sick of looking at him. HIS FOLLOWERS and THE MEDIA have RUINED HIM or ANY CHANCE OF HIM, for me.

    And just so ya know, been with Hill financially since June, when I could first afford to be.

  301. meiyingsu, But it just seems like Obama isn’t exactly bending over backwards to meet Edwards. Weird.

    BTW, this is No. 16 on Mark Halperin’s list of Obama advantages:

    16. An electorate that seems oddly indifferent to conventional norms of preparedness for the job of commander-in-chief — and which appears even more indifferent to the existence (or absence) of detailed policy prescriptions despite the grave problems confronting the nation.

    So the CIC issue DOES become paramount in the GE, and Obama’s the nominee aganst McCain, we’re screwed.

  302. paddy4Hill Says: It was meant to stir the unconverted to their senses and not to be preaching to the choir.

    And you did a great job! This deserves to be posted widely, and letting the choir here see it will let us spread it.

    Obama has had some success; if we don’t point out that it’s just due to his tactics, people may believe he deserves it. 🙂

  303. Polls show some U.S. evangelicals vote Democrat

    By Ed Stoddard
    Reuters
    Monday, February 11, 2008; 3:03 PM

    DALLAS (Reuters) – Exit polls during the U.S. presidential primaries in Missouri and Tennessee last week show the Democratic Party has some support from white evangelicals, a group strongly associated with the Republican Party.

    Commissioned by Faith in Public Life, a non-partisan resource center, and conducted by Zogby International during the primaries on February 5, the surveys were the first to ask Democratic voters if they were evangelical or born-again Christians.

    The findings reinforce other surveys showing that Republicans still command most of the support of this voting bloc but by no means have a monopoly on its affections.

    They also show white evangelical Democrats — like other whites in Missouri and Tennessee — have a decided preference for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama.

    Clinton, a New York senator who would be the first woman U.S. president, and Obama, an Illinois senator who would be the first black president, are locked in a close race for the Democratic Party’s nomination to contest November’s election.

    In Missouri, the polls showed 34 percent of all white evangelicals who voted took part in the Democratic primary versus 66 percent in the Republican primary.

    Evangelicals made up 19 percent of all Democratic voters in Missouri and supported Clinton over Obama by 54 percent to 37 percent, closely mirroring the vote among all whites.

    In Tennessee, the polls indicated 32 percent of primary voters who fit this profile were Democratic and accounted for 29 percent of the party’s vote there.

    Clinton overwhelmingly won over Tennessee’s evangelical Democrats with 78 percent to only 12 percent for Obama.

    Other exit polls taken during the state-by-state presidential nominating contests for both parties have asked only Republican voters about their evangelical affiliation.

    This is because white evangelical Protestants comprise a key Republican base who in the past were galvanized to vote by their strong opposition to abortion rights and gay marriage.

    Some evangelicals are now seeking a broader Biblical agenda which includes poverty and the environment.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021101488_pf.html

  304. Paula: An electorate that seems oddly indifferent to conventional norms of preparedness for the job of commander-in-chief

    Frightening, isn’t it?

  305. Clinton Conference Call (recorded earlier), but you can hear it here:

    i.timeinc.net/time/2007/thepage/ClintonCall_021108.mp3

    if that doesn’t work, try this:

    thepage.time.com/2008/02/11/wolfson-penn-exhaustive/

  306. Speaking of the WaPoop — did they endorse anyone in the Dem primary? It’s the local paper for the primaries tomorrow.

  307. Voter turnout decidedly Democratic in Missouri

    By DAVID A. LIEB Associated Press Writer
    Published Monday, February 11, 2008
    SPRINGFIELD – When Missourians voted in the presidential primaries this past week, there was no clear winner among Democratic candidates – except perhaps the Democrats in general.

    Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton essentially tied in Missouri, each gaining 36 delegates to the Democratic National Convention under a complex formula used by the party.

    But together, Obama, Clinton and several other Democrats received almost 60 percent of the vote, compared with a little more than 40 percent for the dozen Republicans led by Sen. John McCain, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.

    Based on the unofficial results, Democratic presidential candidates received 823,376 votes from Missourians; Republicans drew 588,849.

    To read the full article go to the website:
    http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Feb/20080211News012.asp

  308. >>An electorate that seems oddly indifferent to conventional norms of preparedness for the job of commander-in-chief

    to be concerned about…

    >>which appears even more indifferent to the existence (or absence) of detailed policy prescriptions despite the grave problems confronting the nation.

    much more to be concerned about…

    all this people who voted for obama, when economy is recession, they will go around abusing whoever is president.. they could have voted based on policies rather than charisma.. they could have voted well informed

  309. obama in one of debates mentioned he would attack pakisthan.. what the heck… pakisthan would attack india thinking missiles came from India… hillary answered very well to that question.. she mentioned she would first inform pakisthani govt about the attack otherwise they might think attack is from India… ohh god save India from obambi… 🙂

  310. An electorate that seems oddly indifferent to conventional norms of preparedness for the job of commander-in-chief — and which appears even more indifferent to the existence (or absence) of detailed policy prescriptions despite the grave problems confronting the nation.

    wow. just wow. halperin is trying to make this point as strongly as possible. the rest of the 15 in his list are process oriented stuff, and i think he goes through all those (and finds that many) in order to really stun people (hopefully his colleagues) at the end. effectively he is asking.. does #16 matter? and why isn’t the media treating it like it does?

  311. Talking about Obambi-bots not caring about being qualified or experienced for the Presidency, I think that shows that his flock are very naive. He has a young base. These kids are still getting their degree’s. They haven’t yet confronted the personal experience of being rejected for a job due to inexperience. I have a bachelor’s degree from the University of Florida. That is a great university with alot of name recognition. It opened doors when I was interviewing for jobs, but guess what, it didn’t get me the job. I had to start out doing a job that didn’t even require a degree, but yet was within my field. That gave me the experience I needed to get the real deal later down the road. I just think alot of the Obambi flock are dreamers. They either have no practical experiences or are just drinking Koolaid. I hope they find out about experience before our country is condemned to four years of on the job training.

  312. Numbers Don’t Lie
    by Me (L.J.)

    To be debunked:

    —ME, NE, LA and WA had representative of electorate voter turn out.
    — Obama’s wins are more significant than Hillary’s losses.
    — Obama has more total votes than Hillary.

    Maine:
    (h t t p : / / http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=3&docID=news-000002668825)
    (h t t p : / / http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS/801230333/-1/NEWS01)

    About 1 million registered voters

    45,000 total voters came out in ME Caucus

    59.5% = 26,550 for Obama

    40.5% = 18,450 for Clinton

    Nebraska:
    (h t t p : / / http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/30/news/politics/doc4776dd0caea8b171580917.txt)

    375,000 registered Democrats

    36,000 total voters came out in Nebraska caucus

    57% = 25,986 for Obama

    32% = 12,396 for Clinton

    Louisiana:
    (h t t p : / / http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/015165.php)

    2.8 million registered voters, about half are Democrats
    (1.4 million Democrats registered in Louisiana)

    358,000 voted on Saturday, meaning about
    ONE MILLION DEMOCRATS IN LA DID NOT VOTE

    57% = 220,588 for Obama

    36% = 136,959 for Clinton

    Washington:
    (h t t p : / / blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/02/our-view-on-pre.html)

    About 4.3 million voters
    50,000 voters came out in Washington caucus, 1.3% of registered voters

    68% = 34,000 votes for Obama
    32% = 16,000 votes for Clinton

    So, here’s the math everyone:

    Saturday and Sunday Obama racked up:

    307, 124 votes

    Clinton racked up:

    183, 805 votes

    making the difference about 123, 319 votes.

    That’s the big media fuss: 123,000 people.

    NOW, let’s put this all in to Perspective. My favorite word.

    In FLORIDA, Clinton racked up:

    857,208 votes compared to Obama’s 569, 041.

    Difference of 288, 167.

    So, Clinton got more votes in the state of Florida alone than Obama managed to get with 4 states this weekend. The difference between the the twos vote count of Florida and of the states that voted this weekend was also greater for Hillary.

    Obama’s Florida votes plus ME, LA, Nebraska, and WA =

    876, 165

    Clinton’s Florida votes plus all of the above is =

    1,041,013
    —————

    Therefore:

    Simple Math would tell you that if you added all the states together, Hillary would still trounce Obama.

    All the votes Obama racked up this weekend are less than half the votes that Hillary alone got in Florida.

    The voting blocks that turned up are not representative of the states registered voters by any stretch of the means, proved by numbers of registered voters and voter turnout.

    The difference between Saturday and Sunday’s votes for Hillary and Obama is 123,000 whereas the Florida difference alone is 288,000.

    Final point: According to Savage Politics . Com:

    Hillary Clinton has received 8,938,660 votes throughout the United States (up to February 9th) while Barack Obama has received 8,406,728.

    We will add the weekend totals.

    Hillary’s total votes thus far: 9,122,465 votes
    Obama’s total votes thus far: 8,713,852 votes

    Difference of: 408, 613.

    That’s a lot of people, don’t you think?

    That’s a little less than the number of people who showed up to vote this weekend.

    So, in conclusion:

    Don’t believe the Media hype. Hillary is still strongly in this game and the numbers don’t lie. They actually favor Hillary by a considerable margin and Obama’s big wins are again nothing but smoke and mirrors.

  313. I just found out that a diary I wrote is up at the Hill Hub!

    http://www.hillaryhub.com

    It’s called “November Polls, First Time Voters, Women, Girls & Hillary”

    Please go look if just because it has pics of two cute and adorable Hill supporters and a funny video with Julia Louise Dreyfus!

    Cute and funny, surely worth a click!@

  314. Fran: Actually, it’s not you. It’s the ones who want to look back and criticize what she should have done. To me, that is a waste of time, we need to be forward thinking.

    I get what you are doing and I agree with you. I feel that after you have made your case several times, it’s just best to let it be.

    However, I totally agree that no one here should be giving Bambi an ounce of credit. His zombie supporties don’t give Hillary a hair of credit at all.

  315. In the coming weeks Hillary can win in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. Despite all their enthusiasm and fundraising, does the Obambi team really think that they will take the nomination away from someone who has won primaries in states commanding over 215 electoral votes? Obambi has only won primaries in states commanding roughly a third that number. Obambi can’t win those electoral votes in a GE and almost certainly won’t in a GE where he is the nominee. No, he can’t.

  316. To those of you who complain constantly that Hillary didn’t organize properly for caucuses, I just want to make the following observations:

    a) Given the demographics of Hillary’s support:working class voters, older voters, moms with little kids, there is no way you can organize them to bring to a caucus.

    b) Why? Because a caucus lasts several hours, it is not anonymous, it is populated by wealthier people and younger Obama supporters who act like thugs.

    c) How many of Hillary’s supporters can go in to this melee and stand there for three or four hours to cast a simple vote? Many people have to take time off from work and family committments to go vote. To ask them to to sacrifice several hours and put up with obnoxious people is too much.

    d) Obama supporters who make it to these caucuses are hardcore activits, wealthier people and younger people who have time on their hands and have the ability to get to these caucuses.

    e) Many of Clinton supporters do not have internet access and probably couldn’t even lookup a caucus site on the web in a place like WA.

    The problem with caucuses is that they are anti-democratic and disenfranchise older voters and voters with lower income and families with little kids. What should be troubling to us is how many of these contests ,especially in red states, are caucuses. There is also anecdotal evidence to suggest that wealthy Republicans were crossing over into these caucuses using same-day registration to vote against Hillary. In fact, in Nevada and in other caucus states the Obama campaign was openly advertising this strategy.

    When Bill Clinton ran in 1992, he also didn’t win many fofthese caucuses because once again his core support was among working class and blue collar democrats (nurses, maintenance workers, restaurant workers, etc) who could not take several hours in a day to go to a caucus. Most of them could not get the time-off from their employers to do that.

    Now, Hillary could have spent her resources trying to get her voters to these caucuses or spent her resources getting these voters to polls in primary elections. She chose the latter and won all of the big states except Illinois. Why didn’t Obama win any of the big states on Feb 5 despite the incredible media bias in his favor? Why didn’t his supposedly amazing organizing skills work there?

    My suggestion is to stop blaming the Hillary campiagn on perceived shortcomings and focus on the future in terms what we can all do to help elect her our next president. So, please let us stop all this post-mortem analysis and stay focused on the future. Thankfully, the caucuses are over and we don’t have to deal with them any more in any significant manner.

    Overall, Hillary’s strategy of focusing on big states is the right one. No one could have predicted three months ago that the media would be so one-sided in their coverage of Obama and Hillary. In spite of that she is still standing and winning the big states with broad electorates. To give you an example, Maine has 1.5 million registered voters. A mere 36,000 showed up in their caucuses. Is this democratic or representative of the will of the electorate? Clearly no.

    So, my suggestion is enough with the discussion about caucuses and what we might or might not have done. There is simply no way we could have gotten our demographics to these anti-democratic caucuses.

  317. i simply have to wonder if the voters (well, in actual primary elections not caucuses they are!) and/or media will step back from the hype and the nice speeches and ask themselves, now, we are at war, the world has turned against us, global warming is accelerating, the economy is tanking, these are serious serious problems. we are going to nominate a guy with three years’ experience in the senate, a significant part of which he spent running for president? who doesn’t answer questions about what he’s actually going to do as president?

  318. 02/11/08 – Texas
    Texas Primary

    Texas is known as President Bush’s home turf — a “red” state, Republican ruled.

    That familiar image of Texas is turning a shade of blue with its March 4th Democratic presidential primary. Legions of new, urban and minority voters will be choosing between Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    The Associated Press reports Hispanic support is crucial for Democrats in Texas, where 228 delegates are up for grabs. AP reports Latinos could comprise up to half of Democratic votes on primary day. The Clinton and Obama campaigns are beginning to hit Texas hard.

    Clinton will campaign in El Paso tomorrow — and San Antonio, Corpus Christi and in the Rio Grande Valley on Wednesday. Obama’s campaign this week is launching television ads throughout Texas focusing on health care — Clinton’s signature issue. Some of the spots will be in Spanish.

    http://www.ktre.com/global/story.asp?s=7854761&ClientType=Printable

  319. >.we are going to nominate a guy with three years’ experience in the senate, a significant part of which he spent running for president? who doesn’t answer questions about what he’s actually going to do as president?

    :):):):)

  320. Monday, February 11, 2008
    Clinton visits GM hybrid plant, promises help for automakers
    Deb Price / Detroit News Washington Bureau
    WHITE MARSH, Md. — After sitting behind the wheel of a black Tahoe Hybrid SUV, Democrat Hillary Clinton told General Motors workers at a plant here today that she, as president, would help the auto industry through research and development funding, fairer trade deals and lower health care costs.

    “One of my big goals is we are going to have a strong and vibrant manufacturing sector in America,” Clinton told several dozen workers after she toured the plant that produces two-mode hybrid transmissions for GM’s Tahoe and Yukon full-size SUVs.

    “And it’s going to have the strongest and best auto manufacturing sector in the world,” Clinton said to applause.

    Clinton visited the GM plant outside of Baltimore. Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia vote Tuesday, and Mason-Dixon polls released Sunday showed her trailing considerably behind her rival, Barack Obama.

    Clinton noted that she represents New York, home to much of GM’s research and development on its new hydrogen fuel cell car.

    GM already has made 100 test hydrogen cars, which it hopes to market in 2012. One of the test cars, which are hand-built in Michigan, was on display at the Allison GM plant.

    Debbie Dingell — a senior GM official, Democratic Party leader and wife of Michigan Congressman John Dingell, D-Dearborn, chatted with Clinton as she greeted workers.

    Clinton told workers she opposes the Korean free trade deal worked out by the Bush administration and currently before Congress. She said her universal health care plan would help GM and them by reducing overall health care costs.

    Clinton spoke optimistically about creating a partnership between herself in the White House and the auto industry in the transition from the internal combustion engine to green-powered vehicles.

    “These challenges we are facing (are) going to advantage us,” she said. “But it is going to take a president who really gets it, and cares about it and works every day with business and labor to make it happen,” she said.

    Clinton said that because the Japanese government subsidized its car companies’ development of battery technology, “we gotta help” the U.S. automakers.

    She touched on her plan to create 5 million “green-collar” jobs, which includes $2 billion in battery research money for automakers, $10,000 tax credits for purchasers of plug-in hybrids, and $20 billion in low-interest “Green Vehicle Bonds” to help retool old auto plants.

    She also wants to raise fuel economy standards to 40 mpg by 2020 and 55 mpg by 2030.

    After listening to workers, Clinton took questions from reporters.

    She discounted Obama’s momentum and huge fund-raising ability, saying she’s winning states like Michigan, which Democrats must carry in November to win the White House. She also argued she is the strongest Democrat to go up against presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

    The GM facility Clinton visited started building two-mode hybrid transmissions last fall for the 2008 Tahoe and Yukon Hybrids. It also builds transmission for GM’s heavy-duty trucks. Opened in 1999, the plant employs 400 workers. The plant has 18 workers solely building 90 hybrid transmissions a day. It is looking at adding a second shift of workers dedicated to producing the hybrid transmissions in coming weeks.

    The two-mode hybrid system, developed in a partnership among GM, BMW, and Chrysler, uses less gasoline by relying on batteries. This is the first hybrid in full-size SUVs and to be able to regenerate battery power on the highway, not just through braking in cities like earlier hybrid technology.

    The fuel economy for two-mode hybrids is 21 mpg city and 22 mpg highway, a 50 percent over standard model’s fuel economy.

    You can reach Deb Price at dprice@detnews.com or (202) 662-8736.

    http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080211/POLITICS01/802110428/1022

  321. obama just needs to be outsmarted in the caucus that follows primary in texas… i strongly wish that latino brothers will keep her on top… way to go latino bros in CA & NY

  322. However, I totally agree that no one here should be giving Bambi an ounce of credit.

    ::hangs head::

    So, you’re saying I SHOULDN’T give him credit for being the antichrist?

    crap.

  323. I heard on the radio today that some people had to drive 15-25 miles to get to their caucus sites. That’s crap.

  324. Excellent articles you’re posting, carby–I love the “green-collar” jobs! That’s awesome and sooooo must happen, for everyone’s sake.

    LJ, great analysis!

    Okay, tiburones–cool :).

    And as people can see…I’m still here–bad, Fran–bad! About tomorrow, I’m going in with NO expectations. As I think someone said above, as long as she keeps collecting delegates, that’s what I’ll keep watching for.

  325. what are hillary’ chances in North Carolina.. Please don’t tell me it would go to Obama because 20% of population is AA’. 🙂

  326. FirstRead confirms scheduling conflict was the reason the Obama-edwards meeting was cancelled.

    Huh, well….liars liars pants on fire.

  327. including SD we are still in the lead delegate wise, but come rest of Feb we are likely to lost that, only to gain it back by the end of april, including pledged, then it will come to May/Jun contests which are:

    Guam
    Indiana
    N.C
    West V.
    Kentucky
    Oregon
    Puerto RIco
    South Dak.
    Montana Pledged Delegate total for May/Jun: 365. What are our chances in these states,??

    They will determine who has pledge del. lead, and likely who gets nomination since I have the feeling unpledged del will go with whoever has that lead.
    No more caucuses= Good for us
    but as far as states the only one i know anything about in being advanatege to us is Puerto Rico, anyone know more about any of these?

    .

  328. LJ–loved your post. I don;t have the info in front of me but what would it look like if we figured the electoral college votes for hrc wins as opposed to bho wins..my guess is that hrc would have more….great post

  329. i hope he realized who is the establishment candidate by now… and who is talking on behalf of poor.. and who is fighting to get universal health care for every american citizen.. still if he can’t get out and endorse hillary, what a loser is he…

  330. I’m gonna choose to believe JE will do the right thing here.

    My only complaint is that he needed to do the right thing WAY before now.

  331. These are my predictions

    Guam – HRC
    Indiana – HRC
    N.C – not sure again 20% of population is AA
    West V. – HRC
    Kentucky – HRC
    Oregon – HRC
    Puerto RIco – HRC
    South Dak – HRC
    Montana

  332. >>Is it 20% of dem voters or 20% of total population

    it is 20% of population… i know all of them would be dems… 🙂

  333. just gonna jump in here, are you all watching live on cnn.com?? Hillary in Virginia speaking at a university, taking questions from the students,

    she looks great, deep blue jacket.

    go and watch

  334. i see hillary’ name printed as hillary rotham clinton and obama’ name as barack obama on NY times… hehehehe funny 🙂

  335. kaffeen, Who’s blinky? Edwards?

    Idunn, When you say liar, liar, pants on fire, are you saying the scheduling conflict explanation isn’t true? Just curious …

  336. Per NY Times…

    Obama-Edwards Meeting Is Scratched, for Now

    By Katharine Q. Seelye

    Senator Barack Obama’s campaign has confirmed that he has canceled a meeting scheduled for today with former Senator John Edwards in North Carolina. The two have been talking on the phone and will meet soon, people close to both men say, but for now the media attention has become too intense and is out of control, with stake-outs at Mr. Edwards’s home.

    The media attention is not likely to die down as the political world waits for Mr. Edwards, who has dropped out of the race, to signal whether he will endorse either Mr. Obama or Senator Hillary Clinton and what else he might ask for.

    But it may prompt Mr. Obama to seek a more private rendezvous, the way Mrs. Clinton did last week when she stealthily flew to North Carolina, without the knowledge of her traveling press corps.

  337. LJ – if you’re the same commenting on Taylor Marsh – I just saw your analysis of the weekend (123,000 people is the big media fuss in the diff between the Obama and Clinton votes this weekend) vs. Clinton trouncing him with nearly 300,000 more voters in the state of Florida alone (vs. these weekend 4). Can you please repost here, if you haven’t already. it’s a great analysis.

  338. Ill be all over Oregon if it comes down to that. Eugene and Corvallis are big college towns, Portland is pretty liberal, anfd the rest is a mixed bag of hippies anti war types and rural republican areas. They’re big on legalizing hemp there, Obamas stance on pot may help him. They have an all mail ballot too, that’ll be interesting. Its an odd state. I think Kuchinich would have fared well there.

  339. Today, someone who happens to work for MSNBC (of all places) asked me whether I would support Obama if he is the nominee. I told her I did not envision that scenario, but if I am wrong then the answer is a categorical “no”. The same is true for other Hillary supporters I know.

    She was taken aback by my response and demanded to know whether I am a loyal Democrat. I told her that I am a loyal independent, I believe the country is in serious trouble and I firmly believe that Hillary Clinton is the only candidate in either party who can deliver the kind of change we need to secure our future. She asked me if that was a stump speech and I assured her that it was sincere and objective.

    She warned me that the country could not afford to have four more years of George Bush policies. I agreed and told her that is why I support Hillary. She has the experience, judgment and moral courage to deliver change and he quite simply does not. I told her that from my perspective he is a noun, a verb and the word “change”.

    She disagreed and told me that her employer is convinced that Obama should be the next President. I told her that much has been obvious for some time, given their shameless promotion of him and their avowed sexist attacks on Hillary. I told her it would be a tragedy for the country if their machinations prevent the most capable leader of our time from becoming President because she is a woman.

    She told me she was not concerned about that because a woman can fill that slot in the future and this is Obama’s turn. I told her it is the other way around because he is unqualified for the job at this point, she is highly qualified and if a woman with her extraordinary ability is marginalized in this instance then we will not see another woman candidate President in our lifetime. Period.

    She told me she likes Obama and that he is “healing the country even as we speak” (Q: where have we heard that one before?) I told her I saw no evidence of that in the intimidating tactics of his supporters across the caucuses, or in his willingness to play the race card when it suits his purpose, or in the way he and his media allies have prevented the Clintons from answering his charges.

    She told me my statements were absurd. I happened to have a copy of the Krugman article with me and let her read it. She looked exasperated and told me that was one man’s opinion. I told that was true but there are millions of people who would agree with it.

    I concluded by telling her that Hillary will be our next President.

  340. in TEXAS to get the media attention, HRC campaign shoould arrange for bigger rallies with 200,000 people..

    back in India thats how campaigns go… 1 million people will gather to listen to top leaders… ofcourse population is over one billion 🙂 🙂

  341. I think that the John Edwards endorsement would not only be nice for North Carolina but also for Wisconsin (for those outside of the Milwaukee area).

    However, I will believe the endorsement when I see it! ::rolls eyes::

  342. oops – LJ – just saw your analysis further above – I hope that I can borrow to challenge all these Obamabots; they will likely dismiss Florida, but do you know the popular votes difference in California alone?

  343. wbboei, That exchange is amazing, and you did a wonderful job!

    The argument that this is Obama’s “time” makes it sound like he’s entitled to the nomination. WTF?? But there’s a lot of that going on, I know.

  344. This site keeps a fairly good delegate count:

    demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegates-who-havent-endorsed.html

  345. Per the NY Times, the delegate count is…

    Hillary 939 Obambi 786

    The NY Times does not count caucus delegates because they are non-binding. All caucus delegates can change their affiliation at any time (the same as SD’s).

  346. gov wilder on cnn now-using race card for va-saying bill thinks obaa is a fiarytale. hillary cant get hleathcare done etc.. every daned time obaa does this

  347. wbboei…

    wow. First, good for you! Second, shame on her for being SO blatant in REAL LIFE to say “her employer believes” as if her employer is some nebulous thing. GE has got it in their heads that GE means them, not General Election. Too bad you didn’t have a tape recorder running! What a coup that would have been.

  348. Reedo61…that comment was BRILLIANTLY done by Wolfson on the audio of the press conference.

    If I didn’t know better…..

  349. RAND CORP: US Capabilities to counters Islamic Insurgency Seriously Flawed.

    Now, tell me HRC won’t change THAT while the other guy has to ask where the Situation Room is that is NOT the one on CNN! HA!

  350. read on Taylormarsh now that Obama is attacking Bill Clinton – this is Bill Clinton-baiting is what I think – coupled with what Gov Wilder is doing, they want Bill to take them on, and know the media will only frame Bill Clinton as the bad guy.

  351. Oh, PLEASE for the love of everything holy do not pile in here tomorrow when HRC loses these potomac primaries. She IS NOT SUPPOSED TO WIN. Hillary has already stated she expected February to be a good month for BO. Let’s just look at things positively-she’ll add to her delegate total and we get to move to the big contests in OH,TX,PA etc. Okay? Just to be safe, I might have to give this place up tomorrow. My blood pressure can’t take it.

  352. >.Now, tell me HRC won’t change THAT while the other guy has to ask where the Situation Room is that is NOT the one on CNN! HA!

    hehehehe.. funny.. he might ask uncle teddy and anut oprah for help 🙂

  353. For those of you that are interested on what happened on “The View” today here’s a transcript of the David Shuster issue:

    newsbusters.org/blogs/justin-mccarthy/2008/02/11/goldberg-walters-think-clintons-are-too-harsh-david-shuster

    Btw:My two cents is that the women on the view agree that David Shuster cross the line and that the punishment was justified but of their own experiences in being in the public and saying something that get you in trouble. They want David Shuster to keep his job.

    From my rationale; I say hell no as long as NBC/MSNBC continue with the behavior they currently have, there will be no change!!! And for the media arrogance that they are above the laws that govern the rest of us…I say David Shuster’s firing should sent a clear signal that no one is above the law…not even the media/propagandists.

  354. ohh yeah obambi pulls out AA card whenever he thinks he is going to lose.. he is going to lose tomorrow no matter what in virginia… viva hillary viva 🙂

  355. Sorry Paula, I was watching the cnn thing with HRC.

    Idunn, When you say liar, liar, pants on fire, are you saying the scheduling conflict explanation isn’t true? Just curious …

    I don’t really know. It might be. It might not be. I’m just alittle sceptical, I guess.

  356. I’ve said this 15 times, but the best way to get away from the negativity and anxiety is to DO SOMETHING – get on the hillaryclinton.com site and start making calls; it is very simple, and after talking with real Clinton supporters on the ground in these states, you will feel better.

    Go and book a flight to OH, TX and PA and help GOTV.

  357. back in India, people love bill clinton & hillary clinton bill clinton visited india twice when was president of USA.. he visited my state as well 🙂

    relation b/w India and US improved a lot under bill clinton’ regime… earlier US used to look at India suspiciously because during cold war era India is closer to USSR that USA… so USA used to support pakisthan, this is the country we don’t like in India… now relations have been so good

  358. Hear, hear Nikki.

    For all the hand wringers, news flash, Hillary is slated to lose all 2 primaries tomorrow so no one should be surprise tomorrow night or Wednesday morning.

    The only thing that I will be looking for is to see if she keeps within 100 to 125 delegates of him.

    That’s it.
    p.s You may want to refrain from watching news/cable tonight and all tomorrow.

  359. For those who watched Clinton at Larry Sabato’s class, please write your impressions on how you thought that she did.

    I know that he appears on Fox alot. I wills ay that she is brave for venturing into enemy territory. I always got the impression that he was a REpub.

  360. >>why arn’t indian americans in VA coming out for her

    most of indian americans in USA are on non-immigrant visas… so i doubt how many of them really can vote…

  361. How to get an A
    Mon, February 11, 2008 – 3:28 PM

    Hillary Clinton promises to take as many questions as possible and Professor Larry Sabato said she’ll stay late to answer questions.

    Sabato said to expect great questions from his Politics 101 class. And, he added, we’ll see which student gets an A.

    Clinton opened with some comments taken from her stump speech. She mentioned that she’s “never seen anything like” the interest in this year’s campaign.

    After the first question, she drew applause when she mentioned the country has to get back to “evidence-based decision making after George Bush.”

    — Amy Dominello
    http://www.mgwashington.com/index.php/2008electionblog/blog_index/how-to-get-an-a/506/

  362. HEy gang….I found, by accidental surfing looking for an answer to a question posed by an HC.com blogger, and interesting ground operation re: Florida Delegates and DNC, posted by a Oblogger. Ya want to take a look? It is stinky what they are appearing to be doing. I didn’t want to post without asking! LOL

  363. B. Merry says: Sherm! Hot new RW posts up today and yesterday.

    I read those earlier. I try to read them every day when possible. I keep waiting for something that will set the media on fire. I originally thought something had to happen this month, but Howard Dean says we may not have this contest settled until mid April or May. Since the trial is supposed to begin before then, we may have some action much sooner.

    Actually, if something happens before the convention in August, and if the delegate count is very close, some of the BHO superdelegages may switch their votes to Hillary if necessary. Of course, if things go as expected in most of the remaining states, including Tex and OH, then we can coast through without that problem.

    I don’t want to see all of your great work go to waste. Thank you for putting all of that effort into it. Hillary probably thanks you.

  364. nikki, even though we have been saying for the last week that Hillary is not expected to win any contest this month you still find people who come here after every contest and kepp wondering why she lost this caucus or that one.

    Theen they will come and tell us all the negative things every pundit on TV said about Hillary. Agsin as if this new? They just can’t sta sway from cable news. I can udnerstand watching these shows when Hillary is on. Other times. Why? Really why do people watch these shows?

  365. Inlia, NO PROBLEM!

    Thanks for using it, it’s good fuel for the fire.

    I’ll repost:

    To be debunked:

    —ME, NE, LA and WA had representative of electorate voter turn out.
    — Obama’s wins are more significant than Hillary’s losses.
    — Obama has more total votes than Hillary.

    Maine:
    (http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=3&docID=news-000002668825)
    (http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS/801230333/-1/NEWS01)

    About 1 million registered voters

    45,000 total voters came out in ME Caucus

    59.5% = 26,550 for Obama

    40.5% = 18,450 for Clinton

    Nebraska:
    (http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/30/news/politics/doc4776dd0caea8b171580917.txt)

    375,000 registered Democrats

    36,000 total voters came out in Nebraska caucus

    57% = 25,986 for Obama

    32% = 12,396 for Clinton

    Louisiana:
    (http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/015165.php)

    2.8 million registered voters, about half are Democrats
    (1.4 million Democrats registered in Louisiana)

    358,000 voted on Saturday, meaning about
    ONE MILLION DEMOCRATS IN LA DID NOT VOTE

    57% = 220,588 for Obama

    36% = 136,959 for Clinton

    Washington:
    (http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/02/our-view-on-pre.html)

    About 4.3 million voters
    50,000 voters came out in Washington caucus, 1.3% of registered voters

    68% = 34,000 votes for Obama
    32% = 16,000 votes for Clinton

    So, here’s the math everyone:

    Saturday and Sunday Obama racked up:

    307, 124 votes

    Clinton racked up:

    183, 805 votes

    making the difference about 123, 319 votes.

    That’s the big media fuss: 123,000 people.

    NOW, let’s put this all in to Perspective. My favorite word.

    In FLORIDA, Clinton racked up:

    857,208 votes compared to Obama’s 569, 041.

    Difference of 288, 167.

    So, Clinton got more votes in the state of Florida alone than Obama managed to get with 4 states this weekend. The difference between the the twos vote count of Florida and of the states that voted this weekend was also greater for Hillary.

    Obama’s Florida votes plus ME, LA, Nebraska, and WA =

    876, 165

    Clinton’s Florida votes plus all of the above is =

    1,041,013
    —————

    Therefore:

    Simple Math would tell you that if you added all the states together, Hillary would still trounce Obama.

    All the votes Obama racked up this weekend are less than half the votes that Hillary alone got in Florida.

    The voting blocks that turned up are not representative of the states registered voters by any stretch of the means, proved by numbers of registered voters and voter turnout.

    The difference between Saturday and Sunday’s votes for Hillary and Obama is 123,000 whereas the Florida difference alone is 288,000.

    Final point: According to Savage Politics . Com:

    Hillary Clinton has received 8,938,660 votes throughout the United States (up to February 9th) while Barack Obama has received 8,406,728.

    We will add the weekend totals.

    Hillary’s total votes thus far: 9,122,465 votes
    Obama’s total votes thus far: 8,713,852 votes

    Difference of: 408, 613.

    That’s a lot of people, don’t you think?

    That’s a little less than the number of people who showed up to vote this weekend.

    So, in conclusion:

    Don’t believe the Media hype. Hillary is still strongly in this game and the numbers don’t lie. They actually favor Hillary by a considerable margin and Obama’s big wins are again nothing but smoke and mirrors.

  366. IninLa… thank you! Of course you can… I’ll repost down here.

    Numbers Don’t Lie
    by Me (L.J.)

    To be debunked:

    —ME, NE, LA and WA had representative of electorate voter turn out.
    — Obama’s wins are more significant than Hillary’s losses.
    — Obama has more total votes than Hillary.

    Maine:
    (h t t p : / / http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=3&docID=news-000002668825)
    (h t t p : / / http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS/801230333/-1/NEWS01)

    About 1 million registered voters

    45,000 total voters came out in ME Caucus

    59.5% = 26,550 for Obama

    40.5% = 18,450 for Clinton

    Nebraska:
    (h t t p : / / http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/12/30/news/politics/doc4776dd0caea8b171580917.txt)

    375,000 registered Democrats

    36,000 total voters came out in Nebraska caucus

    57% = 25,986 for Obama

    32% = 12,396 for Clinton

    Louisiana:
    (h t t p : / / http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/015165.php)

    2.8 million registered voters, about half are Democrats
    (1.4 million Democrats registered in Louisiana)

    358,000 voted on Saturday, meaning about
    ONE MILLION DEMOCRATS IN LA DID NOT VOTE

    57% = 220,588 for Obama

    36% = 136,959 for Clinton

    Washington:
    (h t t p : / / blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/02/our-view-on-pre.html)

    About 4.3 million voters
    50,000 voters came out in Washington caucus, 1.3% of registered voters

    68% = 34,000 votes for Obama
    32% = 16,000 votes for Clinton

    So, here’s the math everyone:

    Saturday and Sunday Obama racked up:

    307, 124 votes

    Clinton racked up:

    183, 805 votes

    making the difference about 123, 319 votes.

    That’s the big media fuss: 123,000 people.

    NOW, let’s put this all in to Perspective. My favorite word.

    In FLORIDA, Clinton racked up:

    857,208 votes compared to Obama’s 569, 041.

    Difference of 288, 167.

    So, Clinton got more votes in the state of Florida alone than Obama managed to get with 4 states this weekend. The difference between the the twos vote count of Florida and of the states that voted this weekend was also greater for Hillary.

    Obama’s Florida votes plus ME, LA, Nebraska, and WA =

    876, 165

    Clinton’s Florida votes plus all of the above is =

    1,041,013
    —————

    Therefore:

    Simple Math would tell you that if you added all the states together, Hillary would still trounce Obama.

    All the votes Obama racked up this weekend are less than half the votes that Hillary alone got in Florida.

    The voting blocks that turned up are not representative of the states registered voters by any stretch of the means, proved by numbers of registered voters and voter turnout.

    The difference between Saturday and Sunday’s votes for Hillary and Obama is 123,000 whereas the Florida difference alone is 288,000.

    Final point: According to Savage Politics . Com:

    Hillary Clinton has received 8,938,660 votes throughout the United States (up to February 9th) while Barack Obama has received 8,406,728.

    We will add the weekend totals.

    Hillary’s total votes thus far: 9,122,465 votes
    Obama’s total votes thus far: 8,713,852 votes

    Difference of: 408, 613.

    That’s a lot of people, don’t you think?

    That’s a little less than the number of people who showed up to vote this weekend.

    So, in conclusion:

    Don’t believe the Media hype. Hillary is still strongly in this game and the numbers don’t lie. They actually favor Hillary by a considerable margin and Obama’s big wins are again nothing but smoke and mirrors.

  367. I honestly think that Obama’s cronies invoking the race card once too often is going to blow up in their faces. Bill Clinton is amazingly educated and so politically savvy that he isn’t going to fall into such a juvenile trap. Obama’s friends as well as the media will just end up with egg on their faces.

  368. My latest letter to steve.capus@nbc.com phil.griffin@nbc.com
    letters@msnbc.com
    abrams@msnbc.com

    subj: I want CHANGE, not an apology

    Dear GE and MSNBC,

    I am glad, and applaud you for Shuster’s apology and resignation. It’s a start. However, the problem is not an isolated comment, it is the locker room environment that has developed and been allowed to persist at MSNBC and its affiliates. The coverage of this primary has been a disgusting joke, and MSNBC and it’s advertisers will continue under boycott and protest until we see a CHANGE, not just an individual mea culpa.

    This is my 1 year old granddaughter.

    [I included a picture, an adorable one]

    I do not wish for her to live in a country where a woman who dares to dream of higher office can be villified and scorned in the sexist way that has been and is still being done to Senator Clinton. One day, it may be her who is the object of the frat-boy snickers and sneers that have characterized for some time what passes for “journalism” at MSNBC. It is shameful, and it is wrong. For her sake, I am not satisfied.

    I have heard back from Toyota, Lenscrafter, Schering Plough, and multiple other advertisers. I will continue to write and call, as well as help organize protest at the next GE shareholders meeting.

    My granddaughter, and all the young girls of this country, deserve better than to have this sort of public mindset in the press. It is a sad day when the joke that is FOX news is scoring better as far as fair and balanced coverage than the once-proud peacock. You should all be deeply ashamed.

    Sincerely,

    XXXXXXXX

  369. Idunn, put on your spacesuit and stab yourself in the leg with antitoxin, you are going into the zone…and an ANGRY NASTY PLACE

    my dot barackobama dot com forwardslash page forwardslash community forwardslash post forwardslash rebeccavoss forwardslash CGMJN

    read the Sun Sentinel link as well

  370. I’m assuming it’s o.k. to post this one, as it’s from the campaign’s main strategist;
    I’ll also add it’s rather tame compared to what’s needed, IMO.

    From TPM:
    On a conference call with reporters just now, Hillary pollster Mark Penn sought to make the case for her electability by dredging up bad memories of the GOP and right-wing media’s successful efforts to redefine Al Gore and John Kerry, arguing that Hillary wouldn’t succumb to such tactics.
    The “GOP attack machine,” Penn suggested, “skewed the perceptions of such distinguished public servants as Al Gore and John Kerry” in a way that left perceptions of them “out of touch with reality.”

    Penn said that Hillary has “withstood” this process, while Obama would find that his independent support “would evaporate relatively quickly once he faced the Republicans.” Penn added that the GOP “is already playing the national security card against Obama.”
    In addition to a straightforward electability argument, it’s worth noting that Penn’s appeal is an emotional one, too — the obvious tactic being that he’s raising fears of Kerry and Gore redux.
    Penn’s implicit goal here seems to be to make Democrats worry — without saying so outright — that Obama will prove too weak to fight back effectively against the GOP slime machine, just as Kerry and Gore did.

  371. Clinton, Obama to debate in Austin

    03:47 PM CST on Monday, February 11, 2008

    KVUE.com

    The top Democrats vying to be the next president of the United States will debate in Austin next week.

    According to the Barack Obama campaign, the senator from Illinois will face off against Sen. Hillary Clinton on Feb 21.

    The exact location has not been announced yet.

    CNN and Univision will each provide a journalist to pose questions to the candidates; CNN will provide the moderator.

    The debate will air live on CNN at 7 p.m. and will re-air Thursday night at 10:30 PM CT in Spanish on the Univision network. It will also air in Spanish on CNN en Español on Sunday afternoon and Sunday evening.

    http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/021108kvuedebate-eh.b1621e5b.html#

  372. BlueDem,
    Penn also has a post up on Hill’s blog about why she’s best to run against McCain. It’s very convincing.

  373. Maybe I should wear a pink Hillary is 44 t-shirt to the Austin debate?

    Are you a woman?

    Nevermind, doesn’t matter. Wear pink. 😉

  374. Ok, something going on here..SUDDENLY all this news about Islamic threats cannot be thwarted by Rand Corp, now Russian Bombers buzzing the USS Nimitz.

    Sounds like GW/Cheney scare tactics to put John McCain out front! Odd. WWBD if all this happened on HIS first day!!!!

    And now Jeb Bush backs McCain

  375. Guess the Obamabots want him to put daisies in the ends of the 600 mm guns …or, just nuke em, what the hell….. either will be fine with them…he can do no wrong. Another leader who looks into the eyes and sees souls. I have to go throw up.

  376. Answer: Republican smear campaigns….

    they’re just starting to gear up for it, but they learned their lesson in 2006 and will wait till he is the nominee

  377. well…. That’s what they are hoping.

    I for one can do math and I know Hillary will be the nominee.

    its hard to argue against a 500,000 vote margin in the overall popular vote

  378. Ronald, Al isn’t because Jeb Bush, GW and Jim Baker. The B&O Railroad is making the same stops along the tracks trying to pretend they have this swen up and using dirty tactics to get it, IMO

  379. Illinois, LJ,
    Illinois – I know the J. Wright issue was covered last year and that FOX picked it up but it hasn’t been touched by BM, especially since SC and the charges of racism. (which I still don’t get – how is the word ‘fairytale’ or mentioning Jackson won SC in 84? racist?). But the Afro-centric position of Trinity Church is appalling! And so are the BO-Kenya connections, another topic apparently off-limits.

    LJ, I see math is your specialty. :LOL: I did an approximate Florida vs. Sat. caucus totals yesterday but without the excellent detail and specificity. thanks for that. helps put things more in perspective.

  380. CNN “Barack Obama facing New Attacks”…then a commercial. We shall see. Maybe the Big Red Machine has started. We can only hope.

  381. Got to love “Fair and Balanced” CNN: today’s screaming headline:

    “Without superdelegates, Clinton trails Obama”. And then it tells us that they’re actually neck and neck and Clinton leads with superdelegates. These people make me vomit.

  382. Hillaryfortexas,

    Good letter. Can I use some of it if I can contact any of those advertisers? BTW, can you post the addresses or addy’s if you have them?

    great that a couple responded to you. What did they say?

  383. If we named everything “Hillarycans” “HillaryNation” etc., we would be called, as we are, socialists. That ad against Hillary, introducing “O” (the Nike-lie one) is more prophetic than we realized. In the opposite way. But then, isn’t that Orwell 101?

  384. Did you guys see this story about the AP poll Hill vs Obama? Apparently Hill was up 46-41 but the media reported it Obama 46, Hill 41. It’s just be clarified that it was Hill was up but of course all the news shows went with Obama winnning.

    Let’s see how many will clarify. I don’t trust the media. I expect zogby to come out with a poll right before Ohio/Tx showing Bambi up by 20 pts.
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Margin_for_error.html

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/11/16577/7275
    Shaking my head. I do not trust the media.

  385. Just came back on board, and as is my wont, always start from the most recent’

    Did I read right from Hill4Tex???

    David Shuster ended up RESIGNING???

  386. Sent in $25.44 for my husband and myself. Hope it helps. I hope she pulls a winner tonight. Pray, pray, pray.

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