[Today, Hillary Clinton will appear on ABC's This Week and on Fox News with Chris Wallace.]
We repeat: Obama is a total unknown. Even this late into primary season we don’t know who he is or what he represents. The confusion as to who Obama really is has Obama himself and his circus of the ridiculous confused.
Obama is smoking something, what is it (warning, right wing Washington Times link)?
Barack Obama, the senatorial candidate of 2004, might have a bone to pick with Barack Obama, the presidential candidate of 2008.
Videotapes of debates and speeches that were obtained by The Washington Times show that Mr. Obama took positions during his Senate campaign on nearly a half-dozen issues ranging from the Cuba embargo to health care for illegal aliens that conflict with statements that he has made during his run for the White House.
For example, in MSNBC’s Oct. 30 presidential debate, Mr. Obama hesitantly raised his hand and joined with most of his Democratic rivals to declare he opposed decriminalizing marijuana. (See clip below.)
But as a U.S. Senate candidate, Mr. Obama told Illinois college students in January 2004 he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use or possession, a debate video shows.
“I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws,” Mr. Obama said during a debate at Northwestern University. “But I’m not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana.”(See clip below.)
When confronted with the statements on the video, Obama’s campaign offered two explanations to The Times in less than 24 hours. At first, Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said the candidate had “always” supported decriminalizing marijuana, suggesting that his 2004 statement was correct. Then after The Times posted copies of the video on its Web site, www.washingtontimes.com, yesterday, his campaign reversed course and declared he does not support eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana possession and use.
Assuming Obama can’t tell when he is lifting up his arm to vote (green “Yes” voting buttons and red “No” voting buttons also confuse Obama), why did he not bother to clarify his position the day after the debate? Who is this guy? Check out the videos.
And it’s not just confusion about pot smoking. There is more smoke coming out of Obama.
Mr. Obama’s differing answers on marijuana are among five conflicts between positions he took while running for Senate in 2004 and those he now articulates while running for president, a review of debate tapes shows. Experts said the likely reason for the changes was that Mr. Obama ran as a liberal during his Senate run but has become more centrist as he pursues the broad coalition required to win the White House. [snip]
In a 2003 forum on health care, Mr. Obama said he supported the children of illegal aliens’ receiving the same benefits as citizens, “whether it’s medical, whether it’s in-state tuition.” Asked specifically whether he included “undocumented” people, Mr. Obama replied, “Absolutely.”(See clip below.)
But in a CNN debate Jan. 21, when Mr. Obama was asked whether his health care proposal covers illegal aliens, he said “no” and that he first wants to cover the U.S. citizens and legal residents without health care.
In 2004, Mr. Obama told an audience at Southern Illinois University, “I think it’s time for us to end the embargo with Cuba. … It’s time for us to acknowledge that that particular policy has failed.”(See clip below.)
However, he stopped short of calling for an end to the embargo in a Miami Herald op-ed in August. He said he would rely on diplomacy, with a message that if a post-Fidel Castro government made democratic changes, the U.S. “is prepared to take steps to normalize relations and ease the embargo.”
“Senator Obama has consistently said that U.S. policy toward Cuba has failed,” Mr. Vietor said.
In an October 2003 NAACP debate, Mr. Obama said he would “vote to abolish” mandatory minimum sentences. “The mandatory minimums take too much discretion away from judges,” he said.(See clip below.)
Mr. Obama now says on his Web site, www.barackobama.com, that he would “immediately review sentences to see where we can be smarter on crime and reduce the ineffective warehousing of nonviolent drug offenders.”
When shown transcripts of the videos, Mr. Vietor said: “The American people want a president who is going to be honest with them and talk about how we can tackle the challenges we face.”
The Times obtained the video footage of the public debates from a variety of sources, ranging from open sources such as YouTube to political operatives who oppose Mr. Obama’s presidential campaign or his Senate bid in Illinois. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, for instance, recently released footage on its Web site of a 2004 speech in which Mr. Obama spoke about universal health care, accusing him of a flip-flop.(See clip below.)
Mr. Obama told an AFL-CIO group in June 2003: “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer, universal health care plan.” But in a recent debate he said he has never endorsed such a plan.
Just who is this guy? It’s like buying a nickle bag of pot and getting oregano.
Today, the New York Times (finally) bothers to examine (at this late date) Obama’s voting record and entanglements.
When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state’s freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.
Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
“I just did that last year,” he said, to murmurs of approval.
A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.
Do you believe this guy? He’s a flim-flam artist pure and simple. Obama is all flowery talk and an agent for Republicans.
Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.
“Senator Obama’s staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,” said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.”
The history of the bill shows Mr. Obama navigating a home-state controversy that pitted two important constituencies against each other and tested his skills as a legislative infighter. On one side were neighbors of several nuclear plants upset that low-level radioactive leaks had gone unreported for years; on the other was Exelon, the country’s largest nuclear plant operator and one of Mr. Obama’s largest sources of campaign money.
Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.
Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.
In addition, Mr. Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. A spokeswoman for Exelon said Mr. Axelrod’s company had helped an Exelon subsidiary, Commonwealth Edison, with communications strategy periodically since 2002, but had no involvement in the leak controversy or other nuclear issues.
The Obama campaign said in written responses to questions that Mr. Obama “never discussed this issue or this bill” with Mr. Axelrod. The campaign acknowledged that Exelon executives had met with Mr. Obama’s staff about the bill, as had concerned residents, environmentalists and regulators. It said the revisions resulted not from any influence by Exelon, but as a necessary response to a legislative roadblock put up by Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time. [snip]
Asked why Mr. Obama had cited it as an accomplishment while campaigning for president, the campaign noted that after the senator introduced his bill, nuclear plants started making such reports on a voluntary basis. The campaign did not directly address the question of why Mr. Obama had told Iowa voters that the legislation had passed.
Who is this flim-flam artist who has three-card monte’d some Democratic voters? Maybe the New York Times will begin to further examine Obama’s lobbyist masters.
Obama is always there with a thesaurus filtered, adjective laden flowery speech. But Obama is never there when you need him. Obama is there for his contributors like Rezko and Exelon.
Others say that turning the whole matter over to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, as Mr. Obama’s revised bill would have done, played into the hands of the nuclear power industry, which they say has little to fear from the regulators. Mr. Obama seemed to share those concerns when he told a New Hampshire newspaper last year that the commission “is a moribund agency that needs to be revamped and has become a captive of the industry it regulates.”
Paul Gunter, an activist based in Maryland who assisted neighbors of the Exelon plants, said he was “disappointed in Senator Obama’s lack of follow-through,” which he said weakened the original bill. “The new legislation falls short” by failing to provide for mandatory reporting, said Mr. Gunter, whose group, Beyond Nuclear, opposes nuclear energy. [snip]
At least as disturbing for local residents was the revelation that Exelon believed the tritium came from millions of gallons of water that had leaked from the plant years earlier but went unreported at the time. Under nuclear commission rules, plants are required to tell state and local authorities only about radioactive discharges that rise to the level of an emergency. [snip]
In public statements, Mr. Obama dismissed the nuclear lobby’s arguments that the tritium leaks posed no health threat. [snip]
Almost immediately, the nuclear power industry and federal regulators raised objections to the bill. [snip]
But eventually, Mr. Obama agreed to rewrite the bill, and when the environment committee approved it in September 2006, he and his co-sponsors hailed it as a victory. [snip]
In place of the straightforward reporting requirements was new language giving the nuclear commission two years to come up with its own regulations. The bill said that the commission “shall consider” — not require — immediate public notification, and also take into account the findings of a task force it set up to study the tritium leaks.
By then, the task force had already concluded that “existing reporting requirements for abnormal spills and leaks are at a level that is risk-informed and appropriate.”
The rewritten bill also contained the new wording sought by Exelon making it clear that state and local authorities would have no regulatory oversight of nuclear power plants.
In interviews last week, representatives of Exelon and the nuclear commission said they were satisfied with the revised bill. The Nuclear Energy Institute said it no longer opposed it but wanted additional changes. [snip]
Still, the legislation has come in handy on the campaign trail. Last May, in response to questions about his ties to Exelon, Mr. Obama wrote a letter to a Nevada newspaper citing the bill as evidence that he stands up to powerful interests.
“When I learned that radioactive tritium had leaked out of an Exelon nuclear plant in Illinois,” he wrote, “I led an effort in the Senate to require utilities to notify the public of any unplanned release of radioactive substances.”
Last October, Mr. Obama reintroduced the bill, in its rewritten form.
Taylor Marsh has more. This is more Rezko style Obama judgment.
Paul Krugman this past week took Obama to task on more of Obama’s Rezko style judgment and priorities – on the Democratic core principle of health care.
The Obama campaign sends out an ugly mailer. Sorry, but this is just destructive — like the Obama plan, the Clinton plan offers subsidies to lower-income families. And BO himself has conceded that he might have to penalize people who don’t buy insurance until they need care. So this is just poisoning the well for health care reform. The politics of hope, indeed.
Update: Ezra Klein adds a screenshot of the original Harry and Louise ad — they’ve obviously deliberately copied it. Just to remind everyone, Harry and Louise were the center of the vile smear campaign the insurance lobby waged against health care reform in 1993 — and this time a Democratic candidate is doing the smearing for them.
Ezra also points us to an Urban Institute study that shows that yes, mandates are essential. The key passage:
Voluntary measures would tend to enroll disproportionate numbers of individuals with higher cost health problems, creating high premiums and instability in the insurance pools in which they are enrolled.
I know that Obama supporters want to hear no evil, but this is really, really bad.
Question: Who is this flim-flam artist from Chicago?
Answer: Obama is a tool of Big Media and flim-flam shill for the most retrograde forces in American life.
Well, I think marijuana should be legalized and I don’t believe in mandatory minimums. They are god awful. So I have no clue why Hillary would want to touch any of this.
admin-
is there a link to the full la rally video? everyone is talking about it -i saw it and need tosend it to my hillary grp!
WTF? Obama has a lead in CA according to gallopand zogby.Is that true?
OK, forget it. I think the person who told me that has it wrong. Just zogby.
Texan4Hillary: the entire rally is not up yet. Maybe tomorrow.
MJ, you should read the entire article. Hint: It is not about marijuana.
If the media would do their job, Hillary would not have to touch these issues. I think the problem is not with his original positions, it is that we have no idea where he stands today. He keeps flip flopping on these issues. Actually, I think it is much more careful than flip flopping – he tells you what you want to hear. In front of a college cround, he is for legalization, during a debate with adults watching, he is against legalization. I mean my god, he is so vapid that he calls his raising a hand during the debate a MISTAKE? What, did he just check out and forget what he really thought? That would mean he forgot his brain. No, I think he saw that he would have been the only one supporting legalization so he raised his hand because he knew if he represented his true views, the media story would have been about how Obama is the only candidate supporting legalization and most of the country does not support that. It is not so much the positions he has now and then, as it is the fact that you have no idea where you stand. He is not really willing to expain the progression in his thought that led to the change, he just says it never happened, even when there is explicit proof that it did…
MJ
I live in NJ and he says Hillary’s lead is only 1%. I do not see it, have seen a lot of Hillary support and hardly none for Obama. Zogby polls are flawed. In NJ independents can vote in the primary only if they changed their registration by January 15th. Many indies do not know that they will not be allowed to vote. and if they were polled and said they were voting for Obama oh well…….
mj,
no the person that told you got it right, just zogby has it wrong. here is a link for the polls they are releasing later today.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1444
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1709033,00.html
http://www.time.com story re CA primary.
I think that we have to put our faith in Clinton’s absentee ballot strategy, her GOTV and Hispanics.
The article stated that over 1 million have returned ballots and that 1/2 or 2mil of votes are by absentee ballots. I was heartened to read about their outreach to women and their thousands of phone calls.
I’m not thinking about Zogby.
zogby is full of it. i also read the field poll is comming out-h 36, o-34. um yeah right. im looking for rass and susa for poll numbers. i think hillary did much good today in ca that will boost her tues. bill going to the black churches in ca in the am will help also. i will keep calling those ca absentee voters. if hillary bags the abstentees she will win ca easy.
rjk1957, they said gallop, they meant zogby, I thought they meant both.
Bubba was in NJ today and it was reported that 1500 were in the room and an overflow of around 400.
I cannot realisticall believe that Obambi would have gained 13 pts in 1 day with no serious event occuring. Conclusion: outlier.
* More inconsistencies from The One…..
facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5693
Fact Check: Sen. Obama and Guns
2/2/2008 7:25:05 PM
Today, Sen. Obama went to Idaho to reassure voters there that he has consistently supported gun ownership, saying that he has “no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”
But the AP reported that in a 1996 questionnaire Sen. Obama said he “supported banning the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.” (Read the questionnaire yourself HERE.)
Which one of Sen. Obama’s positions do you think the Republican nominee will tout in the fall?
grain of salt.
Thanks Kingsgrove. It’s difficult keeping track of Obama’s fictions. The Exelon story we included should be discussed since it is in the New York Times today, but we suspect that Obama will not be questioned about this.
I’d get a short ad out quick just a picture of obama with a voice over reciting is different stances on guns and air it nonstop In GA, AL, TN MO, OK, UT, WV, ND and MT
zogby – Bo 45 HRC 41. Should I be depressed?
Zogby is bullshit. Relax.
February 03, 2008
POLL: Monmouth NJ Primary
Monmouth University/Gannett
New Jersey
Clinton 50, Obama 36… McCain 55, Romney 23
– Eric Dienstfrey
http://www.pollster.com
This poll coming out today is more in line with the other polls for NJ that came out on SAt, Fri and Thu. In this she is up 14 so I wuld discount Zogbyy.
February 03, 2008 in Poll Update
MJ were you part of this group during the NH primary? How was the mood here when BO was up 2 digits?
Somebody asked in the previous thread if the mydd analysis of delegate allocation in CA w/ BO gaining in extra delegate in districts like Maxine Waters’ is possible/realistic. Answer is yes. Here’s why: Latino voting rates are much lower than black voting rates for two reasons: the Latino segment tends to be younger and because a significant fraction are not eligible to vote.
For example, look at CA-37 Richardson — she won the seat by special election last year. Keeping it a CBC seat was a huge issue — she was running against a Latina. The white vote is the swing bloc. Then look at Waters’ district — the demo is less favorable.
Same thing will happen in NY in districts like NY-11 which covers central Brooklyn. The media focuses on Harlem as “the black vote,” but I think Brooklyn is more representative. Unfortunately, NY-11 has the largest Dem registration in the entire state.
this field poll is nuts. i still think hillary wins ca big bc 1/2 is absentee already cast. also ace smith is her state field person. he is brilliant-
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/03/MNF7UR6FE.DTL&tsp=1
I live in NJ and he says Hillary’s lead is only 1%. I do not see it, have seen a lot of Hillary support and hardly none for Obama.
I would guess his support is coming from Newark/Camden areas, although I have no idea what the spread might be.
socal4hill, he’s not “up” in CA. Earlier this week, LATimes said people planning to vote by mail were 53% Hillary to 30% Obama, and they said the mail-in vote would be 47% of the total.
In NH, I was sure she’d lose, but lot’s of people were not. Mostly we didn’t think about it and kept plugging.
The field poll has 30% undecided, and doesn’t even try to look at undecided. Let me ask you, if O had a chance in CA would he be campaigning in Idaho?
mango wrote: No, I think he saw that he would have been the only one supporting legalization so he raised his hand because he knew if he represented his true views, the media story would have been about how Obama is the only candidate supporting legalization and most of the country does not support that.
Contrast this behavior with what dot reported in the previous thread regarding Hillary’s appearance on MTV: i’m sorry but she is not winning on iraq….she needs to get her speech out that she made on the floor and shove that up peoples noses…….not good on this question although she does have good idea on how to get out….i’m not sure she will ever be clear on this issue
The difference is clear as day. Hillary could have pandered to the base and won back at least some of the support that she’s lost as a result of her position regarding her vote for AUMF. This is not about refusing to admit to bad votes. (She is on record with her admission that the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill that, thankfully, didn’t pass, was a bad vote). This is about a principle. She made a very difficult choice at a very difficult time and a very bad man abused the power of the POTUS. The vote was good, the President and the war were bad. It’s hard for many to understand that, and she will lose some votes because of it, but she does not own this war and she will not let Bush off the hook by satifying people who want to blame Democrats for Bush’s war. Democrats blaming Democrats for Bush’s failures is bad for Democrats…period.
Pandering to whatever audience you happen to be “inspiring” is not change, it’s retro in a bad way.
Can we ask her to run as a third party candidate – if she doesn’t get the nom?
MJ maybe he is not campaigning in CA because he knows he is ahead.
I do not understand why is worried about Idaho now, they do not vote until the end of May
NYCMax, completely agreed.
socal, stop it. Go donate some hours, do some phone banking. She’s winning.
Hillary will be the nominee!!
Socal, do you know much about politics? That’s not the way it works.
rjk1957, he’s campaigning in Idaho because he wants to be able to say he won some states on Wednesday.
I am going to bed – I will talk to you tomorrow. Good Night. Thanks MJ
if O had a chance in CA would he be campaigning in Idaho?
Yes, because the delegate count won’t differ much in CA 52-48 vs 48-52. OTOH, Idaho, which is actually a 2/5 state, will probably give most of its delegates (a small nr) to BO.
rjk1957, really? Are you sure Idaho doesn’t vote until May? What the heck is he doing there then?
Idaho is a tiny state. It doesn’t have many delegates to give, and I have to disagree with you. It’s bizarre to be campainging in Idaho days before TT.
call call call every day if u can for hillary. we can sweep most of them and that is what counts. folks seeing hillary winning say 18 of 22 states is a huge physcological boost to hrc backers and a big blow to obama. he can say he has so many delegates-but joe blow look sat the number of states won .
classic hillary defense-
http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html
Idaho is a tiny state. It doesn’t have many delegates to give, and I have to disagree with you. It’s bizarre to be campainging in Idaho days before TT.
ID has 23, and if he dominates ID and another small state, it offsets her delegate lead in CA. Check her site, as I did earlier w/ a Boise zip code — not even a single house party.
mj wrote: Zogby is bullshit. Relax.
Even if you are not a believer that Zogby is unreliable. Even if you believe that pollsters don’t lie in an attempt to create false momentum. Remember this:
It has been reported that as significant number of registered Democrats (50%?) in California cast their ballots at when Hillary was a huge spread (25 points?). That means that if she was at say 50% to Baracks’ 20% and Edward’s 10% then she starts TT with a 15 point advantage. I know they are rough estimates but if you’re trying to formulate a picture of how the landscape looks in CA, you must admit, that looks pretty good.
Moreover, either Zogby has excluded people who have already voted from his poll … which would mean that previous undecideds were Obama leaners (AA Women?). In order to make inroads into Hillary’s lead, the spread would have to be very high (20 pts?) in Bambi’s favor to be cause for alarm.
or
Zogby does not screen voters who have already cast their votes … which would mean that a shift in momentum is more than meaningless, because, well, so what if you’ve changed your mind after you’ve already voted.
Realclear had the date wrong, stills says may 2o something they moved the caucus up to super Tuesday
yes. the zogby poll is worthless.
SEe. That’s what I am saying. You don’t campaign in Idaho if you are winning in CA.
SEe. That’s what I am saying. You don’t campaign in Idaho if you are winning in CA.
Why not? If it makes no difference in delegates if you’re are winning/losing by 5 in CA, why not pick up extra delegates in ID? How does this prove that he’s losing CA?
Tex, that piece you link to is so awesome!
Re delegate count in CA–carry over from previous thread:
For those who are interested in how CA Congressional Districts break down, I was really impressed by the spreadsheet that this Obama supporter put together. Okay, I don’t know that he’s an Obama supporter but according to the comments, he gives Obama the edge in Maxine Waters’ congressional district, which says to me that he’s been at the Hopium.
I wouldn’t normally point to it at Big Pink but I’d be interested in finding out if we have any CA folks here who could give us a more optimistic analysis using his model.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/2/212343/0037#readmore
BTW, even his, possibly, slanted analysis predicts a win for Hillary, just not a huge delegate advantage.
Encouraging comments by rjk1957: I agree that is impressive and my only problem with it is his last 2 groups of statewide delegates. It is my understanding from what I have read elsewhere that the 81 delegates he is awarding proportionally are incorrect. The winner of the popular vote of the entire state wins those 81 and the other 45 are divided proportionally. As for his breakdown of 2-2, 3-2 etc. that all depends on turnout in those districts.
Also rjk1957: Forgot one thing in order to win those 81 delegates the winner of the popular vote has to win at least 1 delegate in each congressional district. That is why Hillary went to the Salinas area last week to shore up support in 3 districts.
If what rjk says about the 81 statewide delegates is true, then the news from CA will be incredible. I didn’t see a single district listed in the spreadsheet that indicated that Hillary would not get at least one delegate.
First of all, the numbers bear out for early voting, Hill could split the rest of the votes with O, and still win by 10%. It’s psychological. If he wins all the big states except for Il, Obama is in a world of hurt. Second, you have to stay in town to bring your voters out.
I mean, “if” the numbers bear out.
What matters now is action and getting things done. Worry and speculation is fun but not productive.
BTW, the usually reliable Field poll in California was in the field from January 25 to February 1. The South Carolina primary was on the 26th, then Teddy, then Florida, then the debate, all came during that time period. File the Field poll under distortion.
And, if she not he wins the big states.
Well, good point, admin. Alo, neither zogby or field took the mail in’s into account.
mj said: It doesn’t have many delegates to give, and I have to disagree with you. It’s bizarre to be campainging in Idaho days before TT.
Look, we won NV by 6pys, but he walked out w/ an extra delegate. The nomination is decided by delegate allocation not the popular vote. The delegate allocation in CA is largely predictable at this point, irrespective of the actual popular vote outcome. Why wouldn’t he use his time to pick up relatively unchallenged delegates in another state?
NYCMax
Every state is confusing as hell the way they divie up the delegates. NJ is really whacked. Instead of dividing the delegates by Congressional districts NJ proposed and the DNC agreed that delegates be alloted by State Legislature districts. Which makes it hard for any poll to figure out where they are leaning.
HillaryLandRocks, you really don’t get this. Winning CA pychologically very important.
rjk1957 — yes, NJ is particularly screwy because they combined state house districts — the actual districts for delegate allocation will be about 1/2 the total nr of state districts.
If Hill win every big state by just 5% aside from IL, Obama is in for a world of hurt.
And, no one is going to care about Idaho.
mj: HillaryLandRocks, you really don’t get this. Winning CA pychologically very important.
It’s nice, but not at the expense of falling behind in delegates, which is how the nomination is won — but fine, BO is crazy, and I don’t “get” anything.
Well, we will see after Tuesday. BO is doing what he can because his internals must suggest he isn’t going to win CA.
I will just be glad when Tuesday night is over with and we can all relax a little bit before the next rounds on the 9th and 12th
HLR:
Think about what it would mean to the talking heads at MSNBC if BO beat Hillary in the CA. Now consider the impact that kind of press would have on the next primary states (DC, MA, VA?) that he’s already expected to do well in or even win.
If he was winning in CA he would be in CA, winning the popular vote would net him more momentum than winning the delegates in Idaho. At this point, I think the only strategy he has open to him is to try to win as many states as possible so that MSNBC can say that he won in more states than Hillary. I don’t think that he can possibly end up with more delegates, I think that races are either close or skewed toward Hillary.
NYCMax
I just went to the CA Dem site and those 81 delegates will be awarded proportionally. So forget what i said.
Sorry.
Ah well, it was a nice thought while it lasted
Not to open up another can of worms here, but let’s not forget that winning a state matters. Keep in mind that this is also about getting control of the Credentials Committee and the Rules Committee at the convention. This is how we get the delegates from Michigan and Florida seated.
When pundit blowhards laughed at Hillary for mentioning Guam and American Samoa, they forgot the importance of the Credentials/Rules Committees.
We’ll discuss this at a later, more opportune date.
NYCMax: I don’t think that he can possibly end up with more delegates, I think that races are either close or skewed toward Hillary.
You guys keep moving the goal posts. Your scenario means we come out only with a small delegate lead. When you’re working w/ a 22-state field, you can’t get everything you want — you have to make choices, in the same way we didn’t put resources into ID or AK. It’s an optimization issue to maximize delegates. You want to be Bush 2000 at the end, not Gore 2000, going home with the popular vote prize. Some states you keep it close for a draw. In some, you press your advantage. The original line of discussion was whether BO is crazy spending time in ID when he could be spending his time in CA — I say no.
LOL I just thought about the bricks in the knickers of the Obamabots who read this sight. I wonder if there was a flurry of activity to find out if what you thought was true.
I think when you are campaigning in Idaho, you’ve got issues.
We don’t move the goal posts, the talking heads do. We kinda do the same, except we don’t do it on TV.
For example: I thought that Hillary came in second in IA and I think Hillary won NV, MI, and FL.
The talking heads who are the keepers of the MO, said that Hillary was 3rd in IA and (lost?/tied? not sure what it ended up being) in NV.
Looks like we are going to have a very long night Tuesday
Primary focus turns to California
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-calelection3feb03,0,2945808.story
mj: I think when you are campaigning in Idaho, you’ve got issues.
No, you get delegates.
The smaller states offset delegates accrued by us elsewhere, period. The more interesting things to be looking at now is can we maintain our large leads in MA, NY, AR, OK etc to come out w/ a solid delegate advantage?
Any state that he makes “close” means that its out of contention for our racking up a solid lead in delegates. That’s his goal in states like CT, NM, etc.
It’s a 22-state strategy. I don’t think he’s crazy or has issues — it’s just his strategy. Hopefully, ours is better.
admin wrote: We’ll discuss this at a later, more opportune date.
EEP! Admin, you’re so right.
I meant issues winning the big states.
NYCMax: We don’t move the goal posts, the talking heads do.
Very true, but I’m mindful of how they control the spin. Here’s a sample:
“Hillary Clinton eeked out a win in CA after squandering her big lead to the inspirational BO. While she leaves the state w/ a +35 delegate advantage and bragging rights, BO’s solid victories in ID and AK wipe out her advantage while we now turn to the all-important Chesapeake primary.”
Bragging rights for Idaho and Alaska? We’ll see.
ras-
az h46,b-42.
hillary was just there this eve for a huge rally. i doubt these polls right now. she will do better than anyone thinks right now
It all depends on the delegate count outcome over 22 states. If we have a substantial lead, then his small-state strategy fails. If it’s close, the his small- state strategy is a success. It’s that simple.
rjk1957, that is one gruesome article. Pity the workers checking all those signatures.
from the article: Today, in an only-in-Hollywood turn, former President Clinton and Obama backers Oprah Winfrey and Caroline Kennedy will highlight events in Los Angeles.
Ouch! Do we know if Big Dawg is at a large venue or a more intimate Town Hall? Headlines will not be kind if Oprah outdraws him.
I woke up feeling good about TT people, I think she will pull it off.
And thanks for the link to that article regarding women and Hillary T4H, I loved the last line:
“As for the “woman thing”?
Me, I’m voting for Hillary not because she’s a woman—but because I am.”
NYCMax, Bill Clinton will appear at African-American churches.
Not sure where Bill Clinton and Bill Richardson will watch the Superbowl. It would be nice if they were at the game itself and appeared on the Jumbotron.
They are watching it at a private residence in NM.
i wish hillary could get another endorsement before tues-like richardson. that would help her in nm. i may have to avoid polls-im nerve wracked from all this.
Admin,
it is one thing to count a paper ballot, but having to check each signature against the registration book they may not know the final tally for days.
Anglachel just put up another great post and hopefully it will calm some of your fears about the polls. She’s been pretty much on the mark since Iowa and I have learned to trust her instincts more than the rest of the blogosphere:
anglachelg.blogspot.com
Galloping Along the Wrong Track
“…The blogosperic screamers need to understand that they are a very unique slice of the American demographic and are disproportionately Obama supporters because they hate HRC. In this, they resemble the MSM more than any ordinary voter demographic. (C’mon, do you think Barry would get the time of day from the likes of Tweety if he wasn’t competitive against Hillary?) I remember the slams and shit thrown at Barry by the very people now on their knees worshipping him. The anti-Obama spew at FireDogLake, for example, after his speech about religion and the public sphere was so vitriolic and, yes, racist, that I stopped going to the site.
Barry is rightly worried that Hillary will strongly appeal to former Edwards supporters who are very policy oriented and want to see those kinds of policies implemented, especially healthcare (Prime example – Paul Krugman. Not an HRC fan, but big on progressive policy), and are not so inflamed about Iraq as long as the candidate has a decent plan for leaving. It is not a mistake that the current round of attacks are focused on healthcare, though it is offensive that they are doing a pure Karl Rove FUD maneuver.
I could be wrong, but I think that people who supported Edwards are more likely to move to Hillary than to Obama, and I think this is what the Gallup poll, taken in the context of other polls, is telling us.”
I also wanted to comment on this post and the recent articles about Obama’s flip-flopping, including the most recent article released tonight by the NYT about the nuclear links in Illinois and his lies on the campaign trail.
This is classic Obama-style politics and I hope this helps last minute deciders come to the conclusion that they cannot trust this man for his word and why having a RECORD and EXPERIENCE is SO important before voting for any candidate. Without a proven record on where a candidate stands on certain issues, anyone can basically run for president as long as they sound trustworthy.
I believe that Obama does believe in legalizing marijuana and abolishing mandatory minimum sentences and I agree with him on that. The problem is, in order to be a viable mainstream candidate, a politician’s true beliefs are constantly being tested. The issue is whether Barry has enough courage to stand for his convictions, or will he flip flop in order to satisfy whatever constituency he is speaking to at the time? In that sense Barry IS NOT special. He becomes any mainstream ESTABLISHMENT politician. If he can lie about a wide range of issues including gun control, drug legalization, jail sentences, and even legislation while on the campaign trail, why should we trust that he wouldn’t have voted yea on the Iraq War if he was in the senate at the time? His credibility is shot. If we can’t believe what comes out of his mouth and he hasn’t had enough political experience to have a substantial record we can look to in order to analyze how he truly ends up voting on important issues then a voter base their vote for Barry on anything substantial. It would be like buying the nicest looking car at the dealership without taking it out for a test drive or asking questions about its history and dependability.
We still have a few more days. I was glad to see the NYT come out with this article right before Super Tuesday. As many people as possible need to read about his shady history in Chicago before casting their vote. Th only people who can really vouch for whether he is a man of his word are the citizens he represented back in Chicago. I can’t wait to see the polls in the state of Illinois. If polls show that a lower percentage of black voters in his Chicago district vote for him than the general black population, it will be a strong indication that a lot of people back in Illinois were not satisfied by the work he did there. Someone else mentioned this but an AA man from Chicago called C-SPAN after HRC’s rally in L.A. and he stated he would not vote for Obama because he had done nothing for the poor black people in his neighborhood unless he was going through town to collect his check. If he was a lousy state senator who accepted money from the same companies and people screwing over the poor black communities he represented, imagine what kind of president he will be. It’s f-ing scary.
The many examples of Obama’s “truthiness” about his past, his votes, and his views should disqualify him. But his supporters keep saying those are all smears.
What is clear is that Obama voters cannot name an issue on which they prefer him, so they cling to Iraq.
If he should be elected, he will have a mandate to do…… nothing. Not Universal health care, not withdrawal from Iraq, not global warming, not nuclear issues, nothing. He is a rep for Kennedy’s issues and for the Republicans he claims to have.
That will not work.
Hillary would have a mandate — she has been clear on her goals and priorities. She is right. If you want UHC, you have to vote for the one candidate who has a chance to get it for you. She will fight for it with a majority at her back.
only headline out there: BC woos richardson. like he’s sucking some tit to get the nod. Bill, go away from Richardson. Richardson looks weak and spineless now. If he sucks up to bambi now…well, it speaks to his character and we can’t unring that bell. Hillary does not need his endorsement and media continues to use this as a subterfuge to make Hillary look weak…..any headline is not good that portrays her as needing help. Forget Richardson. Anybody forget Richardson he won’t do any good at this stage…shows he cannot commit and if he’s that wishy washy he ain’t worth having.
same for biden, dodd, edwards….they know who they back by now…simply be man enough to get on with it.
This was Zogby’s poll in NH:
Democrats – NH Tracking Clinton Obama
1/4-1/6 29% 39%
1/2-1/5 31% 30%
1/1-1/4 32% 28%
12/31-1/3 32% 26%
He was Off by 10% on Hillary’s vote.
I am stunned that Obama’s mailer of “Harry and Louise” which will end the UHC plan, hasn’t moved Edwards to endorse Hillary. Edwards talked about healthcare as a priority from the beginning to his withdrawal speech. He criticized Obama’s as being inadequate. And now that Obama has decided to torpedo the universality of it, Edwards says nothing.
Why?
I totally discount Zogby: James Zogby is brother of John Zogby.
James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, praised the foreign policy skills of candidates Barack Obama and Bill Richardson while talking with Iowa Independent and several audience members following an Iowa City talk today.
“Obama has an incredible understanding of the issues,” Zogby said. “This is just an incredibly smart guy.”
Zogby was less positive when asked about Hillary Clinton’s statement that the U.S. is more secure now than before the Iraq War. “It’s not a sellout so much as what they think passes as smart politics,” he said. “It’s a bad calculation based more on the politics of convenience, and I don’t trust that instinct.”
Zogby didn’t offer these observations in his address to acrowd of 125, many of whom munched on free pizza, and the Arab American Institute does not make endorsements.
I believe that John Zogby has an agenda to shape the election.
I’m not sure Edwards will endorse anyone. But looking back at the last debate when Edwards was there too, he really showed passion for UHC. And one can talk a whole lot about change, and promises and what not, but UHC is not something one can get by hoping for it nor asking republicans to please be part of it.
You have to fight for it, and Obama says right out of the gate that he will not, with his plan.
So based on UHC only, Edwards without a doubt should endorse Hillary. He can explain away all his other attacks on Hill, by saying that his choice now lies with Hillary having the best plan for UHC. So he should just get to it, and do it. Endorse her, but I doubt it.
I think he desperately wants a job from the next pres.
Remember he has no senate seat to return to, to have a platform to once again run for president at a later time, he needs something. I think he will wait till the nominee is chosen, then come out full force to support.
I recently moved from Maxine Waters district. It is an AA district but also increasingly Latino. And white.
And oriental. I think that it would be hard for Obama to win there.
One thing about the California FIeld Poll. It was taken over 8 days Jan 25 to Feb 1 and had only 460 voters in its poll of Democrats. It has about 30% undecided.
It is a weird poll.
From Kansas City Star:
Show-Me State favors McCain, Clinton in poll
By ROB HOTAKAINEN
The Star’s Washington correspondent
WASHINGTON | Almost eight out 10 African-Americans in Missouri would vote for Barack Obama, but their enthusiasm has not loosened Hillary Clinton’s overall grip on the state, a poll finds.
And in part because Republican John McCain ties Baptist preacher Mike Huckabee for the “born again” vote, he is out front by a very comfortable 10 points, according to the McClatchy-MSNBC survey.
Going into Tuesday’s primary election, Clinton, on the strength of fellow women and party faithful, leads Obama 47 to 41 percent.
McCain leads the former Arkansas governor 37 to 27 percent, with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney further back at 24 percent. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas scraped up only 1 percent, according to the Mason-Dixon Polling & Research poll, with an error margin of plus or minus 5 points.
The poll suggests a fluid race.
One in 10 Missourians, regardless of party, said they still have to decide who to support. One in four voters said they might change their minds. Other findings:
•Clinton’s lead is built on women, 51 to 41 percent. Men, on the other hand, back Obama, 47 to 37 percent.
•Clinton romps among voters 50 or older, 52 to 33 percent, and Obama does nearly as well with those younger.
•She leads among Democrats, 53 to 37 percent, and whites, 52 to 35 percent.
•Black voters, about 13 percent of the statewide vote, gave Obama a 6-1 ratio of approval.
As a result, Clinton showed particular muscle — a 20-point lead — in rural regions, cut to five around Kansas City. Obama was ahead by 10 points in the St. Louis region.
“She’s going to kill him in rural Missouri. There are just not enough blacks there to carry him,” said Brad Coker of Mason-Dixon.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/elections/story/472939.html
TPS — a friend of mine heads up the rural MO volunteer effort.
freckles — don’t agree, but we’ll see soon enough.
It is a tight race. We know that.
“She’s going to kill him in rural Missouri. There are just not enough blacks there to carry him,” said Brad Coker of Mason-Dixon.
Hmm, if BC had said this …
I think it is good to raise expectations for Obama and lower expectations for Hillary.
HLR, how is it going there according to your friend?
TPS — she hasn’t responded to email in the last couple of days, which I take as a GOOD SIGN. A little over a week ago, she was complaining about her resources getting allocated to the SL/KC metro areas — hopefully, that’s changed.
TPS: I think it is good to raise expectations for Obama and lower expectations for Hillary.
Yes. He has two PACs (VoteHope and PowerPac) working on his behalf — the latter is specifically to turn out the black vote in CA and other states. Both PACs were created by the same SF liberal, Steve Phillips. So frankly, getting any delegates in a CBC district overrun by PACs is a clear victory for us.
I should add that no matter what — there’s a large group of MO women who supported McCaskill in ‘06 who will not be supporting her in the future.
Hispanics
In New Mexico, it’s not that Obama isn’t exciting Hispanic voters. It’s just that Clinton’s already made a connection.
Volunteer Evangeline Martinez-Donkersley, right, calls potential supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton from a phone bank in Albuquerque. One observer says that the Democrats’ fight for the Hispanic vote is historic. (By Lauren Clifton For The Washington Post)
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By Jose Antonio Vargas
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 3, 2008; Page A13
ALBUQUERQUE — Inside an accounting office-turned-volunteer hub in the southwestern part of this city, Evangeline Martinez-Donkersley made nearly 85 calls on behalf of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Sometimes in English, often in Spanish, the 70-year-old said, “Necesitamos su voto para Hillary Clinton” — “We need your vote for Hillary Clinton.”
About five miles away, amid adobe houses and cottonwood trees in the North Valley neighborhood, Juanita Alonzo, 20, worked the streets for Sen. Barack Obama. Clipboard in hand, Alonzo knocked on door after door. Three hours and more than 50 doors later, the sophomore at Central New Mexico Community College sighed. “It doesn’t look too good. More than half say they’re voting for Clinton.”
That wouldn’t be surprising, given the results in Nevada and Florida, where Hispanics backed Clinton by about 2 to 1. Maintaining that edge would give her an enormous advantage in several Super Tuesday states that have large numbers of Hispanics, including California, Arizona and New York.
Here in New Mexico, home to natives who trace their history to Spanish colonists and immigrants from Mexico and other parts of Central America, nearly 40 percent of eligible voters are Hispanic.
“Hillary’s got the advantage over Obama, especially since she’ll probably get a good chunk of the Hispanic vote,” said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who last month gave up his bid to become the first Hispanic to win the White House. Richardson, who was a Cabinet member for President Bill Clinton, has yet to endorse either candidate. “The Clintons are known here. To many Hispanics, Obama is a new face. That’s attractive to many people and risky to many others.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/02/AR2008020202071.html
clintondem99:”I believe that John Zogby has an agenda to shape the election.”
I absolutely agree. The peculiar thing about prediction/polling is that the act of polling actually influences the results. I think the mindset is, the more they track, the better their accuracy is because their polls will have become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Democrats:
National
Clinton 47, Obama 43 (WashPost/ABC News)
California
Clinton 36, Obama 34 (Field Poll)
Obama 45, Clinton 41 (Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby)
Clinton 45, Obama 36 (McClatchy-MSNBC)
Illinois
Obama 55, Clinton 24 (Tribune/WGN)
Missouri
Clinton 47, Obama 41 (McClatchy/MSNBC)
Georgia
Obama 47, Clinton 41 (McClatchy-MSNBC)
New Jersey
Clinton 46, Obama 39 (McClatchy-MSNBC)
Arizona
Clinton 43, Obama 41 (McClatchy-MSNBC)
I got the polls from:
thepage.time.com/
ON THE SUNDAY SHOWS
Fox News Sunday: McCain, Clinton
This Week: Clinton, Romney
Face the Nation: Obama, McCain
Late Edition: Romney, Ralph Nader
Meet the Press: James Carville, Mary Matalin, Mike Murphy, Bob Shrum
According to Zogby, Obama has a chance to win California right? So why is he campaigning in IDAHO? No wonder Zogby is always at the bottom on the list with polling agencies.
something hinky going on
Theres no way that she’s up by only 1 in NJ. Two new polls for NJ show her up by 7 and 14. McClatchy shows her up 9 in CA. Its impossible that she is down 4 like Zogby says. The CA field poll where she’s up 2 has 30 % undecided. It doesn’t make sense.
I would bet that she’s up by 6-10 in CA and at least 10 in NJ.
I am watching “Meet the Press”. Why is Carville is not making a better case for Hillary??
im watching to hes not doing for her but she is up next on Chris wallace
Hillary blew Rezbama out of the park on This Week. George asked her about the differences between them on BHO vs McCain (as in he says he can beat McCain, she can’t), Iraq/getting of Iraq, health care, drivers licenses for undocumenteds. He also asked her about a Penn memo from yesterday saying BHO not having been vetted. Hillary explained that she has and that the GE is a very different contest than the primaries. All in all, hoarse throat and all, she did a marvelous job.
morning kids
not being a poll-nut like the rest of you folks, would one of you explain, in layman’s terms, what an “outlier” is?
btw, i would be shocked if i didn’t see big-bill or hill during one of the super bowl breaks. just a gut feel.
Russert can not find any Obama negatives!!
i may be in the minority here, but i really feel bill richardson would be a huge endorsement for HRC. ethnically and regionally.
CD99 — send Pumpkinhead links to Big Pink, Taylor Marsh and RezkoWatch so he can do some homework.
B Merry… Whare I live We get “This Week” at 10 CDT.
B. Merry.. I am sure pumpkinhead has all the information. As you very well know he is just driven by his agenda. A biased A$$ hole.
alcina –
pretend you’re throwing darts at a dartboard. You get most of them in the vicinity of the bullseye, but one doesn’t even make it onto the board. That’s the outlier.
polling-for-dummies….thanks HLR.
Local news in Illinois this morning said that in early voting in Illinois it has been alot of people above 55 and women.
Morning all! A few quick thoughts on the latest polls:
Its fine that we follow them somewhat because obviously none of us are top advisors to the campaign and the polls are 1 way to see how our girl is doing. Having said that we also have to be careful when we look at them and ask questions. The field poll is usually pretty good but the 30% undecided seems too big to me. Now the McClatchy poll is in line with most others we’ve seen from CA and what we’re seeing/hearing on the ground. Call me crazy but I don’t think if you had a chance to win the biggest prize on TT you would be in Idaho and leave your surrogates in Cali.
I can’t find any coverage of HRC’s amazing CA rally.
Tim Russert touting Obama’s lead in state polls.
This stinks.
The term outlier has its origins in Zogby polls – people got of fed up of saying “outright liar” and over time the description settled down to “outlier” … There, you have it !
Good point Hillary!
dt…
anybody watching FNS?
Good Mornning!!
I saw the latest polls. We have to take the good with the bad re: AL getting closer, MO. bigger lead, GA. also getting closer, NJ. and CA. both leads shrinking. With all that, I have to say “Take these polls with a grain of salt”. Let’s not forget NH.
No more MSM and Polls until TT is over, trust me it will make you feel so much better. And if you have to look at polls, look at SUSA.
Stay positive and up beat, TT will be before you know it!!!
alcina – someone posted a comment on Politico that said Bill Richardson would endorse the Clintons, more to come . . . Mark Halperin, TIME. I can’t find anything on a pending endorsement, but I agree that it would be huge in the region.
Re: Zogby, he also has Romney polling higher than McCain in CA and it’s the only CA poll with Romney ahead. He’s also the only poll with BO ahead in CA. I think he’s wrong on both counts.
Good Morning Everyone: I have been out of the country for the past week and internet usage has been spotty. I’m in St. Louis and I’m not surprised that HRC is ahead in Mo, despite Claire McCaskill’s lies about the SOTU snub. She has lost a lot of support among women here for her endoresement. Also I read and it was confirmed by an insider that it was her children that wanted her to support Obama. As for Kennedy, my husband reminded me that he did not support Jimmy Carter in 1980.
Also has anyone seen Taylor’s post about Harold Meyerson? This reminds me of the Novak column which came out in late October re: HRC having dirt on Obama but not releasing it. That column set off a firestorm and HRC was put on the defensive, even though there was no proof that the Clinton campaign was involved. Do we think the Obama campaign has Rove on retainer because all of these stories are typical Republican dirty tricks. Also IMO if Florida is indicative of the country at large, we are in good shape. The CA poll by Zogby is disturbing and I discount the huge jump in the numbers but maybe because I’m biased. Also my husband told me that the phone is ringing off the hook from both campaigns (and we are volunteers for HRC!). BTW in my group of 4 women off to Cancun last week we are all committed HRC supporters and we even met a Canadian family that supported her. Too bad they can’t vote. I’m glad to be home and voting on Tuesday.
Why would CSPAN & Reuters partner with Zogby? I mean its not like its a big secret that his polls suck.
Can someone tell me the truth about California and what’s really going on there?
LJ, I think the uptick to BO, if it’s accurate, can be attributed to polling independents . . . they can vote in the CA primary.
Is SUSA coming out with a poll for Cali? They are the only ones I will believe in terms of polling at this rate.
my fantasy today? bill richardson, sitting with WJC endorses HRC during the super-bowl on prime time…
now, i’m off to the grocery store. the low-beer indicator light has been on all night. must replenish.
The Morning HUBdate:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=34275
Does anyone have that anti-Obama pdf that Rethugs are circulating?
How many californians have participated in early voting? Are there any numbers available?
clintondem99 – the SUSA poll from end of Jan had it at 23%. Guess it’s closer to 30% now.
It couldn’t be easier to see who’s on the up & up right now.
We have a slew of polls with Hillary leading, yet people like Josh Marshall over at TPM quote Zogby, which is clearly the exception.
We have a NY Times from page story which brutalizes Obama right at the heart of his claims, yet it can’t be found at Huffington Post (Instead their headline is something along the lines of Obama hot on Hillary’s Heels), can’t be found at DKOS – except for my diary in which Obamatrons tried to actually say the story is a positive for BO – and wasn’t mentioned on the morning shows from what I saw.
These intentional “oversights” are actually good signs.
Breathe, it’s going to be all right….
Does anyone know if California will count the absentee ballots before Tuesday or after?
Hill by 14 in NJ (Gannett):
http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/NEWS/802030578/1001
when does the early voting get counted? Will we see these votes in the results in the evening od 2/5??
The only thing I know about CA is that I spoke to my son there whom I finally browbeat into registering.
I asked him who he was voting for. He said, “You told me I had to vote for Hillary.” Right!
There’s one new voter for Hillary.
alcina, I’d love that too. But I can’t see that because then everyone would say he endorsed because he’s Bill’s buddy.
LOL, bluedemocrat. Hey, yesterday you said something about a report on Fox about HRC’s internals in CA. What was that about?
No Surprise / NY Daily News Endorses Hillary
For Democrats, it has to be Hil: The Daily News endorses Hillary Clinton
Sunday, February 3rd 2008, 3:26 AM
Sullivan/Getty
It has to be Hillary: Sen. Clinton greets supporters at a rally in Los Angeles Saturday. The Daily News praises her as a ‘worker’ with ‘encyclopedic knowledge of the issues.’
Democratic voters in New York and 21 other states have two compelling choices in this week’s Super Tuesday primaries. The Daily News recommends a vote for Sen. Hillary Clinton.
The contest between Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama has been vigorous, often uplifting and, at times, infuriating. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, bear responsibility for a spasm of unfair rhetoric, some with racial overtones.
Both candidates have energized supporters with the possibility of victory in November and the certainty that each would bring history to the White House, she as a woman, he as a black man. As Clinton said in Thursday night’s debate, “Just by looking at us, you can tell, we are not more of the same. We will change our country.”
Equally clear is that both would make a sharp break with the presidency of George W. Bush. Their positions, drawn from mainstream Democratic thinking, are similar and reflect the party’s pent-up passion for change. No to extending the Bush tax cuts. Yes to expanding health care coverage. Yes to passing comprehensive immigration reform. Yes to slashing carbon emissions.
And yes to ending the war in Iraq speedily.
On this central issue, we disagree with both candidates. Obama has pledged to accomplish a withdrawal within 16 months. Clinton has promised to begin bringing troops home within 60 days of taking office, but she has declined to set a date certain for completing a pullout. Both are vague as to the size of the residual American force they would leave in Iraq.
Clinton’s is the more responsible position in that it leaves open the possibility of adjusting as events dictate. But her plan is still flawed. Whatever the wisdom of going to war in the first place, attempting to schedule an end to America’s role without regard to the facts on the ground is foolhardy. The dangers of getting sucked back in under worse conditions or destabilizing the region because of precipitous withdrawal are simply too great.
Where Clinton and Obama differ most is on the critical questions of how they would approach the presidency and who is readier for the Oval Office at a time when the nation and world face increasingly complex challenges.
There Clinton is the stronger candidate, and The News endorses her in this Democratic matchup.
After eight years at the side of President Clinton and seven years representing New York in the U.S. Senate, she is clear-eyed both about the demands of the globe’s toughest job and about using the power that comes with it. She would try to lead by doing.
Her celebrity status notwithstanding, Clinton is at heart a worker in the trenches. She has an encyclopedic knowledge of the issues, and her success in the Senate on behalf of New Yorkers attests to both relentless attention to detail and skill at working the levers of power.
Simply put, Clinton delivered, in no small measure by forming alliances with Republicans who had been ardent foes of her husband during his presidential administration. She was a key player in securing critical federal aid after 9/11, and she has fought longer than anyone for sickened Ground Zero workers. Thanks to her dogged advocacy, the Defense Department dropped plans to close military bases around the state.
New Yorkers should appreciate that Clinton devoted herself to the grit of the job – to getting a fair share of monies for transit, housing, hospitals and other purposes – even as she pursued larger national agendas. Democrats elsewhere would do well to assess her possible presidency in the same light. She may not stir the soul, but that’s not what day-to-day governing is about.
Obama, on the other hand, is a remarkably inspirational figure. He has an intellect to match Clinton’s and has special talents for oratory and connecting with people. His message of hope has been superb.
There’s little wonder that many see Obama as embodying the dream of an America that can move beyond race and leave behind the extreme partisanship that bedevils Washington. His supporters trust that he will be a unifying voice for a new day, the ultimate change agent.
But change is not won easily, let alone the sweeping change Clinton and Obama promise to accomplish in the face of staunch opposition – while guiding two wars abroad and the war on terror at home, and advancing America’s interests around the world.
The next President will need more than hope to grapple as well with powerful new global tides. A severe and worsening credit crisis, immigration trends, the East-West balance of power – all those and more are in flux with critical consequences for the American economy and way of life. And then there’s the question of the planet’s very sustainability.
With seven years in the Illinois Legislature under his belt, along with just three in the U.S. Senate, Obama has never met challenges remotely of that magnitude. While no one comes to the presidency with perfect experience, he has been less tested than Clinton. And his conception of providing the vision for an administration rather than serving as an operating officer gives pause.
Obama’s bravura performance in the campaign certifies him as a man of great political talent – and governing promise. After further Washington experience, notably in the national security realm, his time to become the Democratic standard-bearer may well arrive.
Clinton’s time is here now. Her greater seasoning and instinct for taking command of the executive branch – from the Defense and State departments to homeland security and transportation agencies that just might find money for New York – are decided advantages. So, too, her projection of strength. She is the right choice for the Democrats.
That said, some of her recent tactics and some of those employed by her husband were a distressing throwback to the relentless partisan wars of the Clinton presidency. And Bill Clinton’s not-so-subtle invocations of race were demeaning to his former office and destructive to the public discourse.
Both Clintons must recognize that this could not be a co-presidency or even hint at being one. Many in the country admire Bill Clinton, but many fewer want him back in the White House with a public and powerful role. We are endorsing one President, not two.
There would be the new President Clinton, and there would be a husband who left office at the end of eight years as the Constitution required and who remains determinedly out of view. No personal conflicts of interest. No parallel channels of authority. No appearances on the world stage that raise questions about who’s in charge.
Based on her experience and her service on behalf of New York, The News backs Hillary Clinton in the full expectation that from here on out she and her husband will abide by standards of fairness – and, more important, that she intends to draw firm, clear lines should she make it to the White House.
From the morning hub date at http://www.hillaryclinton.com:
Polling Prowess: New polls show Hillary ahead of Sen. Obama. Nationally, Gallup has Hillary up by 7 points. In Oklahoma, the Tulsa World/Sooner Poll has Hillary up by 24 points. In New York, Rasmussen has Hillary up by 18 points and WNBC/Marist has Hillary up by 16 points. In New Jersey, Monmouth/Newsday has Hillary up by 14 points. In California, McClatchy/MSNBC/Mason-Dixon has Hillary up by 9 points. In Missouri, McClatchy/MSNBC/Mason-Dixon has Hillary up by 6 points. In Alabama and Arizona, Rasmussen has Hillary up by 5 points. In Ohio, the Columbus Dispatch has Hillary up by 23 points.
I would believe the mcClatchy/Masnbc/Maxon-dixon poll more than the always unreliable zogby.
freckles — did you get him b/f the deadline, 1/22?
nikki22 — Fox raising expectations?
Any polls yet for American Samoa? j/k
Nikki,
Oh, that was FOX’s Major Garret saying the HRC campaign’s internals showed a 17-point edge in CA.
Take that one for what it’s worth – but what is an undeniable indicator is this – OBAMA’S NOT CAMPAIGNING IN CA.
That tells us everything we need to know.
HillaryLandRocks,
Poor American Samoa gets no love!
I think HRC will do okay there, since she got the endorsement of their Governor and whatnot.
Blue Democrat,
Well yes, but he is campaigning in the smaller states.
Arkansas Democrat on MYDD projects:
State Wins
Clinton
New York
Arkansas
New Jersey
Massachusetts
California
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Arizona
Missouri
New Mexico
Alabama
North Dakota
Minnesota
Delaware
Utah
Connecticut
Obama
Illinois
Georgia
Kansas
Colorado
Idaho
Alaska
I want Missouri!
The talking heads on “This Week” agree that a 100 delegate lead by either candidate could be quite insurmountable.
Yup. I got him in time and had him e-mail me his registration . You can’t leave these things to chance.
On Monday I will give him my final HRC speech and then make sure he remembers on Tuesday.
Everyone else I know is voting for or already voted for Hill.
That’s the way I got 70 people to show up for Hill at our caucus precinct. Sort of the herding cats principle.
clintomdem99, I also see her winning all those states and being very competitive in Georgia and Colorado..
I love our chances on tuesday. It looks very good for us in most states. That mydd poster seems to be about right.
I’m hoping MJS checks in today to give us the scoop on the opposition. On a lighter note, its SuperBowl Sunday! Who ya got? I say Giants by a field goal.
Wow. This is one of the first time I’m watching FOX News and they are much better in their reporting than MSNBC and CNN. I describe myself as “very liberal” and I can’t believe I’m giving any credence to FOX News. Yes, they are conservative leaning but they actually admit to what the liberal media is doing. They blamed the MSM love affair with Obama to “Billary’s race baiting” which is the only thing I don’t agree with. They were doing this long before South Carolina. And I don’t agree that this will really backfire in the end. If anything MSM bias always eventually backfires on the person who is getting unfair praise. Even if they do help him win the nomination, the love affair will end and voters will be faced with the ugly reality of who he really is.
I left you people 24 hours ago and you’ve gotten worse…
Go and do something productive. The core who clog the board with, “worries”, about polls with 30% undecideds and the like are giving more comfort to the other side than your own camp. The only polls that matter are the EXIT polls in 48 hours or so. I called you, “my Hillaries”, but since yesterday I have started calling this core group, “the nellies”, as in nervous. Trolls couldn’t do a better job of spreading doubt and negativity.
It’s Super Bowl Sunday. Have a freaking Hillary is 44 SB party. Some of you could obviously use some time away from this, and getting drunk doesn’t seem like a bad idea either…:)
Don’t be a bummer! THREE DAYS ago, I said that you would see wildly divergent polling and to take it all with a grain of salt, both the good and the bad, as neither could possibly reflect the reality on the ground, but I have seen nothing BUT poll fretting and parsing which is why I took yesterday off. I am especially disappointed in those who spend their time working out, “worst case scenarios”, based nothing more then their own fears and insecurities. This is a SUPPORT site and you are supporting what, with this, frankly frantic and (to me) irrational WORRYING.
Hillary will win the Big states and the majority of the primaries, at least FIFTEEN of them, and regardless of what some here have said, it will be the kind of across the board win demographically that will be impossible to spin and will result in Barry leaving the competition by the beginning of March.
The demo profile of NV and FL will be replicated in state after state and I will look like some kind of genius on Wednesday, when all I am is a REALIST. Despite the fact that I listed at least three odds maker’s and gambler’s sites, that ANY politically savvy person will tell you prove to be far more accurate than any poll, it doesn’t appear that ANYONE bothered to look at them, choosing instead to fret over the latest MEANINGLESS polls.
InTrade Clinton-61 Barry-39 (for the NOMINATION)
NY, H-94 B-10
CA H-67 B-42
NJ H-72 B-33
TN H-82 B-12
OK H-86 B-5
NM H-77 B-18
Mo H-51 B-43
MA H-81 B-20
AR H-94 B-6
AZ H-79 B-26
DE H-65 B-35
UT H-58 B-35
MN H-68 B-53
fantasy08.realclearpolitics.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp#
That’s at least 13 IN THE BAG. We will take a few others too. Winning the majority of primaries will create unstoppable momentum. The electorate understands who WINS a lot better than the delegate count, so when the headlines are all, “Clinton’s Super Tuesday”, and “Super-Woman!”, etc., that is what the story will be. He won Idaho, or Alaska (if he does) won’t mean much compared to Hillary winning NY and Ca. Winning those two states will seal the nomination, mark my words.
I am taking the day to walk in the park, make brunch for my wife and me and get ready to watch my beloved Giants in the biggest single day sporting event of the
year. Oprah and company could be parading NAKED and on fire down Wilshire Blvd. today and it would draw scant notice. This is a no-news day in the political world, so you can save your worries for tomorrow.
This has been my oasis away from the, nattering nabobs of negativity”, in BM, and I am sure that I am not alone in those feelings. Lighten up! Tuesday is going to be a great, great day, a day that you will never forget. Let’s work off the nervous energy by DOING SOMETHING FOR HILLARY, and one thing that would be easy would be to stop the public poll fretting.
BREAKING: Rasmussen daily tracking poll … CLINTON 49, OBAMA 38, Hillary now leads by 11 POINTS.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
HOORAH for TheRealist!
Rass National poll:
Clinton 49, Obama 38
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Just saw that TPS and tried to post it but it didn’t show. WOOHOO! GO HIllary!
Morning you little ray’s of sunshine.
Stop fretting….we’re walking away with the ring on Superbowl Tuesday.
TheRealist: Well said.
Rasmussen poll shows uptick for Hillary on daily tracking poll its 11%:
Sunday, February 03, 2008
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday Hillary Clinton with an eight point lead in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It’s now Clinton 49%, Obama 38%.
02/03/08
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If you guys are willing to believe Rass’s national tracking poll, then I guess you have to believe his poll of having Clinton trail Obama by 1 point in California. I don’t believe Rass at all so I am not willing to believe any polls of his even if some might favor HRC. I will never believe a HRC hater to give me fair and balanced news.
Yeah, we’ve got this in the bag, so let’s sit back, watch the game, watch the msm try to make it look like obambi has a chance, and then watch them pull another New Hampshire and the likes of tweety and pumpkin head can all eat their words.
Thank you TheRealist! I appreciate all your contributions here…you give us a kick in the pants when we need it and a good dose of reality when we get all discouraged…kudos! And enjoy the Superbowl…I’m not a big football fan..who should I root for?
Pew National Poll Feb. 3, 2008
Hillary 46% Obama 38%
people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=392
Giants are underdogs…..that’s an understatement.
Hey, Realist! Lighten up a little. Some people worry a lot. You rant. Some like to prepare for disappointment. Some like to stay positive. Whatever gets you through the weekend.
They have made this as nail biting as it gets but we shall all try to match Hillary’s equanimity and your optimism and then make some more phone calls.
Well a new pew poll has similar results:
Clinton 46 Obama 38
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=3…
According to most new national polls Hillary has a lead of 8 to ten points.
You should root for history. The New England Patriots. Going 19-0 for the season is unthinkably difficult and historic. Once in a lifetime. Kind of like electing a Democratic President.
Go GIANTS!
GO PATRIOTS.
admin, just posted new article (one earlier which it builds upon) and I think there’s an inkling that we’re closing in on Auchi .. lots of questions still but important ones.
The Realist – I bow in deference to thee ..
Well said. And we shall party on this board on Tue night and I shall buy you some “virtual” drinks (meaning, I take a swig but I toast you at the same time) ..
Caroline, Rasmussen has Hillary up in california by three points. You are probably referring to that huckster Zogby. Both Rasumssen and GALLUP show that Obama’s post-SC counce has faded. And, Hillary’s debate performance which we all agreed was excellent is having a positive effect. Overall, given that establishment, media, liberal media, and right wing media have all been against Hillary, I would say we are in a great position going into Super Tuesday.
dt, I will be plenty drunk. I am soooo excited.
go pats!!!!
i wish theyd go ahead and kickoff now, i hate waiting all day
The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Jan. 30-Feb. 2 among 1,502 adults, finds:
Clinton 46%, Obama 38%
thepage.time.com/more-on-pew-poll/
Go, Giants! I want a double NY win, for both them and the senator from NY.
I posted the following after a Washington Post column: “no Mea Culpa from Bill Clinton”
I sure would like to know what it was that Bill Clinton said that is claimed was racially insensitive. All that opponents or the media have to do is claim that something racist aas said (without any substance to it), and the claim takes on a life of its own. I keep reading over and over that Bill Clinton made racist remarks, but no one bothers to quote what they were!
B Merry…where can I find that Auchi article?
Ok, my last bit on polls and the race for a while….
The Pew poll is one I respect (regardless of outcome:), and a few numbers are amazing for their even-ness, if there is such a word;
Obama’s getting 36% of whites, Hillary’s getting 36 % of blacks. Naturally, the reverse, with Hillary getting 48% of whites and Obama getting 47% of blacks, is also true.
Hillary is +16 among women, just -3 among men.
Hill also has a +34 among 65’s or older & is +36 among those with HS diploma or less, the biggest such gap in the poll.
enjoy your Sunday.
Nevermind Merry, I think I misread your post. But let me ask you this, is there any news on auchi that has been reported? Is something coming?
Caroline
I want the Giants to win because it will dominate the news cycle until Tuesday.
very last one;
I’m wary of an Obama sneak attack ad during the game. Not sure if there are any restrictions on ad buys during the Super Bowl – plus I’m paranoid.
so ignore me & enjoy
I’m not a poll expert, does anyone know this…
Do polling entities call any of the *same* people they called earlier?
If not, then I am less concerned about polling numbers of late. When you take a huge lead from a month ago and compare it to today, I think you must average those polls for a realistic overview of voter sentiment.
TPS, Rass’s latest poll on Fox news today, he said he had Obama up 1 point. I don’t believe it but there you go. He probably hasn’t posted it on his site yet.
Hillary speaks live in CC stream
In the end, whoever gets the most votes out wins. Let’s roll up our sleeves and dedicate our time and energy to getting out the Hillary vote. I’m doing some GOTV calling to Missouri today.
CC== cnn
Actually, Massachusetts is who I will be calling.
I said last week that people like to look at a show horse but when it comes to the working part, they want a work horse. The debate sealed it for Hillary. She provided detailed, honest and smart working solutions for the mess that GWB leaves behind.
I takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush.
America gets it. This is important business at hand…not for the faint or weak at heart. America knows that we do not have time for on the job training.
Hillary has “it”. President, ready to lead and tackle the challenges of our country, from day one.
Hillary’s event in Albuquerque last night had a HUGE attendance. The initial reports I’ve heard are that there were more than 4,000 attendees, including dozens of local reporters and camera crews. Staff in New Mexico said the event was one of the most exciting they’ve ever attended, and that Hillary delivered a fantastic speech to the capacity crowd about achieving real solutions to the problems that our country is facing.
Realist: if we are not careful here we may put the pundits and pollsters out of business.
When we listen to pundits prognosticate on election results we get personal bias, group think and twisted facts intended to drive ratings.
When we listen to pollsters we get predictions based on methodolgy, a desire to drive headlines, and plenty of excuses when things turn out different, e.g. N.H.
But when we listen to gamblers and odds makers we get predictions based on a single objective–getting it right. Also, they put their money where their mouth is, when they get it wrong they get cleaned out, and when they cant pay well thats another story.
Go Hillary!!!
Idunn — link here rezkowatch.blogspot.com/
I don’t know of anything in the wind about Auchi except that Big Media is lazy as all get out .. go figure.
wbboei, do the gamblers and odds makers break it down on a state level?
wbboei, just curious, what is the “line” in gambling?
Ok, one more, but this one’s funny.
Georgie (I sold out the Clinton WH to Bob Woodward) Stephanoupoulos asks Hillary what she thinks of Ann Coulter saying she’d campaign for her if McCain is the nominee.
and Hillary starts gagging & laughing….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/03/clinton-responds-to-coult_n_84652.html
Since we’re talking gambling and such, here’s something I find worth noting:
The Washington & Lee’s Mock Convention picked Hillary to win the nomination. Since 1908, the students were right 18 out of 23 times. Since 1948, they have only erred once.
Incidentally, the one time they did err since 1948 was when they picked Ted Kennedy. LOL!
Merry, I’ve tried that Rezkowatch link several times. Can’t get it to load. Do you know of any other sites that have a place where all the articles are kept up with?
Well Obamapost have this huge headline saying Obama surging!!! Geesh what a bunch of tools…I know what my new passion is going to be after this election…fixing the media.
Now you know why all these funny polls are coming out right now.
Idunn .. you have to add h t t p / / : in front of it (remove spaces).
ooops ! h t t p : / /
The ad wars…
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03ads.html?_r=1&ex=1359781200&en=bb6fe35191f393f8&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&oref=slogin
Hillary has got to stop playing footsie with this FRAUD.. and get all the CRAP out in the OPEN Tomorrow..
What about those Chicago tenants that FROZE without HEAT… Where are they? FIND THEM! Put out a UTUBE with them giving testimony..
Geebus People, if nobody cares about Rezko leave it and give them something they DO care about..
We’ve only got ONE Bite at the Apple..Lets Do It! This is out and out warfare!
Mrs. S.
Okay great….now I’m starting to feel sick to my stomach again. Real clear politics polls have her up by substantial leads , the Times says he’s overtaking her. WTF?!
I spoke to a Barry supporter and it brought back memories of talking to Bush supporters in 2004. My friend said he didn’t watch the last debate and didn’t need to because he was voting for Barry anyway. Quote “experience and those things don’t matter”. This is the kind of ignorance that we’re dealing with folks. Many of these Barry supporters just straight up hate HRC and it doesn’t matter what she she says to prove that she is the most qualified leader. These are the same people we see on a daily basis on networks like MSNBC. I agree that HRC did wonderfully better in the last debate than Barry but for HRC haters it doesn’t matter. I’ve learned that there is no point to argue with these people or take anything that they say seriously. HRC will win. The voters will know better. We have seen both independent and Edwards voters shift to Clinton after the debate so there is nothing to worry about. Enjoy Super Bowl Sunday or watch a movie (which is what I’m doing right now). HRC’s national town hall will be great and it’ll get everyone pumped for Tuesday!
Unfortunately, it appears that Rezko will not gain any traction among voters until the jailbird sings. The big media, with the exception of Bambi’s hometown, are downright lazy and enraptured with Bambi. I have very little doubt the Republicans are trying everything they can to push that occurance until after the dem nomination (just in case Bambi gets the ticket).
hi hillfans. these national polls are all over the place. anyway 2 days left. GO HILLARY AND NY GIANTS.
TheRealist, Thanks so much for that post. I took off yesterday from here for that reason, too – not wanting to fret over polls.
Another thing we all need to remember: Hillary has been planning her strategy around Feb. 5 for months, so her GOTV efforts and organization will be top notch.
I also like the fact that she’s been running a relentlessly positive campaign since SC, while Obama’s been sending out negative mailers, etc. As for the polls, they just reduce expectations for Hillary on Tuesday. I guarantee you she’s winning CA.
Merry…I meant that when I try to go to Rezkowatch via any link, the page won’t load. Just gets bogged down and locks up my computer. I don’t know what’s going on. Even the google link won’t work.
idunn, don’t worry. bifg media is so desperate for a close race they will do anything. hillary will do fine.
Paula, yes, I’m pretty sure California is Hillary’s. Her GOTV, Latino support, and absentee ballots will push that state to her. I’m sure Bambi didn’t leave the state and all those delegates for no reason.
thanks for the heads up, watching Hillary on CNN now, I even love her voice when she is soar!! haha.
I’ve taken a beating her before for loving her voice, but I stay firm! I love it!
A funny moment at the Hillary event, a woman asked a question started by saying. “In ‘05 Bush, THAT BASTARD…..” LOL, people roared!!! A Hillary laughed, but looked to strain herself a bit to not laugh too much, hehe.’
And she just gave a knock out answer to a question about her electability, she is good!!!
I think Hillary should tout judges more often and say that obama wanted to confirm and vote for justice roberts..
The snake of sexism raised it’s ugly head………..again.:
Kristol: “White women are a problem, that’s, you know — we all live with that”
On the February 3 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.’s Fox News Sunday, panelist and New York Times columnist Bill Kristol said the only people supporting Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-NY) presidential campaign “are the Democratic establishment and white women.” Kristol then asserted that “it would be crazy for the Democratic Party to follow an establishment that’s led it to defeat year after year,” and added, “White women are a problem, that’s, you know — we all live with that.” After fellow panelist Brit Hume responded, “Bill, for the record, I like white women,” Kristol said, “I know, I shouldn’t have said that.”
From the February 3 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.’s Fox News Sunday:
BILL KRISTOL: Look, the only people for Hillary Clinton are the Democratic establishment and white women. The Democratic establishment — it would be crazy for the Democratic Party to follow an establishment that’s led it to defeat year after year. White women are a problem, that’s, you know — we all live with that.
[laughter]
JUAN WILLIAMS (National Public Radio correspondent and Fox News contributor): Not me!
HUME: Bill, for the record, I like white women.
KRISTOL: I know, I shouldn’t have said that.
As John McCain would say, “My friends, my friends,”
above all else, here’s why you should fear not;
Barack Obama has never run a national campaign.
The Clintons have run (at least) two.
They’ve won them both.
Feel Better?
gorto.. i wish hillary should have said not to refer to bush as bastard.. not good for political discourse..
Gladiator, I think, to the average voter, the Supreme Court and who/how the President appoints judges has become synonymous with Abortion Rights. That is not an issue anyone wants to highlight, regardless of affiliation and belief. It is enough for me to know that Hillary is pro-choice.
Started trying to follow Obama and his cousin Odingo, and how Obama has inserted himself right into the middle of that mess. It’s TERRIFYING to me that this guy might actually become the most powerful person in the world.
If there is a god, Hillary will win this thing. If she doesn’t, I’m now fully prepared to back McCain. (please don’t hate me)
Idunn, Bush was president, there is no God. Still, I’m hopeful that people will be *smart* for once.
There IS a GOD and *SHE’S* Watching Every Move Obama Makes!
Mrs. S.
The word bubble is described the Merriam Webster Dictionary among other things as
(a) a delusive scheme,
(b) something that lacks firmness, solidity, or reality,
(c) a state of booming economic activity (as in a stock market) that often ends in a sudden collapse.
Obamania has all the signs of qualifying. The latest bubble to enrapture Americais the Barack Bubble. As they drooled over the booming stock market, the shock-and-awe fireworks of the Iraq invasion, and the real estate explosion, media chatterheads are now start-struck with the latest sensation, and firmly embedded with the Obama magic.
Still, Clinton’s charge that Barack Obama has not been given the usual scrutiny holds a lot of validity.
Wwhat did Barack Obama do once the war began? Can we ask if he led any anti-war rallies? Speak at the periodic marches and protests in various parts of the country? It may be true that he was against starting the war. What about after it started? Did he go down to Crawford to stand with Cindy Sheehan? That would have shown courage and spine. Martin Luther King spoke out against the war, frequently and forcefully. Is there a perception of Sen. Obama as such a strident and inveterate opponent, say, as … .a Dennis Kucinich or a Robert Byrd?
What about the FISA bill? As a lawyer and as proclaimed human rights enthusiast, should Barack Obama not boil with anger when government breaks the law? Did Barack Obama, after coming to the Senate, do anything to hold the administration to account? Did he speak up supporting Dennis Kucinich’s call to impeach Bush and Cheney?
Barack Obama can hardly claim to be more innocent. I have always been troubled how Obama claims to be the African-American’ candidate. It is something he uses all the time. One would think anyone wishing to transcend race would specifically disavow such references, and go to great lengths to say that he is equally black and white. This is hardly the impression one gets hearing him talk. He is hardly averse to taking advantage of his black heritage (”there’s a woman in this race, there’s an African-American, and there’s John Edwards”), but never his white (even though his Kenyan father abandoned him, and it was his white mother and grandparents who raised him). But he bristles with indignation if anyone else refers to him as such.
Finally, on a matter of simple fairness and gallantry, it would have been impressive if Barack Obama, the champion of inclusion, had declared during the previous (MSNBC) debate that he would not participate unless Dennis Kucinich (who was first invited and later uninvited by MSNBC) was also included.
But Barack Obama appears too finely honed to hunt with the hounds and run with the hare.
gladiator, she stayed very *still*, in her quiet way she agreed and disagreed, if you know what I mean. She has called cheney darth wader, she know how to play this game, bless her,
but she stayed above to fray so that no one can hold this against her. This was after all nothing compared to McCaines how do we beat the bitch, thing….
I thought it was funny..
Someone just passed out at the Hillary event….
I’m going to be having one big drawn out heart attack until late Tuesday night.
lol, someone else just passed out
Guys, spread that sexist crap by Kristol on FOX far and wide. Let the women get good and pissed off and show up in DROVES for Hillary.
She ended the townhall now, she ended with THAT line. “It took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, and it’s gonna take a clinton to clean up after the second” LOL,. the crowd loved it. I think the people that passed out are fine, the paramedics came, maybe it was warm in there, Hillary took a deep breath herself at that point.
haha, I shouldn’t be laughing at people passing out at her events, she would probably have that effect on me too.
just kidding, (…or am I ??!!) lol
Idunn, I used to feel that way, but I just decided that whatever happens, happens. Hillary has run as well as she could under difficult circumstances, as we all know. But Obama is a very formidable candidate, aided and abetted by the media. Remember, the fact she even has a chance at all is because of her miraculous win in NH.
I know this is going to sound totally unbalanced, but I just can’t get it out of my head that the man behind Bhutto’s assination said, “We will take down the White House”. I tell myself that my nagging feelings have no basis in fact…but still, they won’t go away. His words were curious to me. Not “we will take down America”….he said “We will take down the White House”.
I know my nagging feelings are irrational…my brain keeps saying it over and over again. So why the hell won’t they go away?
And then I look at Obama’s cousin Odingo…and I think to myself that maybe, just maybe , my gut is screaming to me for a reason.
Gorto, what event are you watchin’ where people are passin out?
Heres a wonderful video of Hillary, for all those who may have thought she ‘faked’ her ‘moment’ in NH.
This show the real Hillary, truly caring about our children. I love her.
youtube.com/watch?v=l0Jrdvayjrw
ok guys last comment and a question before I go to eat like a pig and watch some football. Thanks to the Realist for the info on the betting houses and when did BO leave CA?
CNN broadcast online Hillarys townhall meeting, it has ended now, but a person passed out near the end, and another passed out just after, then she ended it.
Paramedics where there, and I think they were fine.
Watching online on cnn now that bill clinton is what seems to be in a church in CA, poor guy has to put up with this, a strange preacher acting all weird, I guess Bill will speak soon.
Yall, I am listenin’ this mornin’ to the sage advice of the Realist. We need to stay in motion, lookin’ forward, workin’ toward victory. We also need to take some mental health breaks from time to time. I spent yesterday callin’ and I’ll spend tomorrow callin, but we also need to rest, watch the super bowl or do somethin’ else fun to get R&R. Even Hill can’t work all the time (just kiddin). We have so much to be proud of. At the end of the day we have a candidate we can be proud of. And people on this board who’ve worked so hard on behalf of this candidacy, we’ve got them to be proud of too. We’ve got so many things in our favor. Try not to worry. Just keep moving forward, onward to victory!
Yep…I might need a “get it together break” in a big way. LOL!
hillary on FNS!
Thank Realist. Great post. I wish you luck in the game today but I must say–
GO COWBOYS……..dammit
Idunn, I think I see where you were going with your post regarding taking down the white house and barack, but I honestly can’t bring myself to think any such thing.
He’s a narcissist for sure, but I don’t see him as hating America or such, he’s just a little boy with a big, HUGE EGO.
Anyone see the video I posted??? Hillary showing emotions, what did you think?
I don’t know how anyone can view that clip, and not be 100% certain she will do what ever is in her power to protect and care for children and people.
Gorto: I feel bad for Bill Clinton too for having to go on this church tour. I’m black and I’m not religious and do not go to church. I don’t even think I am humble enough to go around asking for forgiveness for really doing nothing racist. I’m sure the Obama campaign is laughing their heads off to see Bill cower for forgiveness from many who won’t even vote for his wife anyway.
I really applaud Bill for doing this in order to mend relations with the black community. I personally did not think the Jesse Jackson comment was racist. I’ve been saying the same thing. Jesse Jackson won S.C. in 84 and 88 and a lot of that has to do with S.C.’s large black population. James Carville was on Meet the Press today and said Bill doesn’t have a racist bone in his body. I’m glad there are a few people out there coming to his defense.
did carville act any better today> shows how much big dawg loves Hilllary. he knows, they know but what we do for love
excellent interview IMO on FNS! I liked her answers!
I keep checking the California church thing with Bill to hear him speak, but that preacher keeps talking and talking.
Luckily, the CNN Live feed service are replaying Hillary’s rally in New Mexico.
Well said. But it is sunday, just today right? He’s not gonna go on a tour or something?!
Do you think he will be in the background somewhere at Hillarys townhall on monday? He has rarely been anywhere watching Hillary campaign. I wish he has been at the last debate in the audience sitting next to Chelsea. He could at least have been at one debate I feel.,
Will he be at one debate in the GE??
By the way, I feel GREAT, I think this is going her way, I feel that she has the momentum now!
HEHS, I think Bill would be visiting AA churches anyway as part of the campaign, even without the recent “furor.”
lol, I hear ya reed061, waiting for the same, but good to watch hill instead now, nice the way the camera is fixed at an angel that constantly shows chelsea in the background.
Gorto: Yea, I just checked. He’s going on a “tour” just today to various black churches in Los Angeles.
From CNN:
Two prominent African-American politicians plan to join former President Bill Clinton on a tour of black churches this Sunday in Los Angeles. Sources say one of the officials has described it as Clinton’s “mea culpa tour” to the black community.
“They need to go touch the people like they did before. The bickering they got in in South Carolina must be put aside,” says one of the officials, who plans to join the former president on Sunday.
“Bill is going to have to come back among those who loved him and he did so much for. He is going to have to do it – I can’t do it for him – and face the voters,” the source continued, adding that once he does, “it’ll put him back in the comfort zone, and I think you’ll see [Hillary Clinton’s] numbers go up.”
The first mention of race..was done by Senator Obama himself…at his victory speech in Iowa. That was carried forward by Obama and Michelle. The media carried it forward after that….to the point it became scary and improper to state a historically correct point. There is no way anything said by the Clinton’s that was racist. It amazes me that somehow…if your white…you are not allowed to state something that is historically correct. I wonder where these politically correct folks are when the constant woman bashing takes place…and continues.
BO is airing local buys during the Super Bowl in TT states. Fox said no to national ads, but not to local buys. FYI.
Where did Bill announce that he would apologize?
If true, it’s a HUGE mistake IMO. It only puts the focus back on him, when it needs to be on 44.
also he did nothing wrong.
OK, I stand corrected, lol. I don’t mind what he’s doing at all.
Blue Democrat – Obama’s getting 36% of whites, Hillary’s getting 36 % of blacks. Naturally, the reverse, with Hillary getting 48% of whites and Obama getting 47% of blacks, is also true.
Huh? So is it that Obama’s support among Blacks has decreased like this?
NV 83%
SC 80%
FL 70%
yesterday? 62%
now? 47?
Some steady decrease is likely, but this steep??
dot48, I am really disappointed with Carville. He acted more or less like a potted plant while the gang of Russert, Murphy and shrum were busy bashing Hillary. I am surprised that he did not even come to her defence when they were talking about electability. At this stage I really don’t care.
Gorto…I’m about as pragmatic and rational a person as you will ever find. Thus, I KNOW my nagging feelings are irrational. What bothers me is that, despite my rational brain , that nagging feeling won’t go away. I’m simply daring to question why that is.
That aside… my rational brain tells me that Obama is completely incompetent to be president of the United States. That’s dangerous enough, in my opinion , without having to throw in the irrational “nagging feelings” I have that won’t go away.
I’m sure you get what I’m saying. I’m certainly not allowing my “nagging feelings” to rule my head, but they do add to my overall rational sense of unease about Obama.
Yes, I’ve noticed the surprising decrease in black support for Obama. My guess is that the blacks who supported Edwards or were independent voters have shifted their support to HRC. I’m a bit surprised that there would be such a huge percentage of blacks who have decided to leave Obama for HRC. The reasons can be plenty. I know people thought twice after the last debate. Some people might also see a Clinton/Obama ticket as more of a reality. Who knows. We’ll just have to see what really happens on Tuesday to make a better assessment.
let’s be positive about tuesday hillfans. im realistic and i really think hillary is going to shut up big media once and for all.
Blue Democrat Says: As John McCain would say, “My friends, my friends,” above all else, here’s why you should fear not;
Barack Obama has never run a national campaign.
Nor much of a state campaign, sfaik. State senator by becoming the ONLY name on the ballot … US senator over Keyes (after serious opponents imploded).
With a real opponent, Rush, Obama lost.
Idunn….I feel the same way. When this whole thing first started…and before I even knew anything about Senator Obama…something in my gut….told me something is very wrong. I started searching….and thank heavens for someone like Marshall Taylor…I have been somewhat validated. I know I found the “present” votes very troubling. I found those myself looking at voting records. I am baffled by the press. I find it frightening what their influence is doing to this country. How I wish we had old time journalism. I fear it is gone.
I’m just holding onto the New Hampshire upset as a means to calm my nerves. I told my husband early that day that I had a gut feeling Hillary wasn’t going to be beaten as badly as everyone thought she was. Of course, I was shocked she won. LOL!
(snarf…there I go with that gut feeling thing again!)
idunn, buckle up…we are not at Dollywood but it sure feels like it! Go Hillary.
If America is smart they choose Hillary.
If America has lost touch with reality, then they choose Obama.
We only have two choices now….it’s the workhorse vs the showhorse.
Tuesday America chooses in big numbers. Gotta love this country, we don’t have machetes in the streets at least…just a few people passing out. LOL
High five for America and I say that in the best way.
Idunn – Re Pakistanis angry, it’s Obama who got burned in effigy over there this summer. Hillary was the one who told Obama to pipe down.
Annie, my husband is big on conspiracy theories…skull and bones, rothchild , all that stuff. I always make fun of him for buying into that stuff. When I mentioned my feelings of unease about Obama (and even dared to expound on those feelings alittle), he looked at me like I was an alien or something. He just never expected to hear something like that come out of my mouth. LOL! But I was quick to remind him that I didn’t say I BELIEVED that stuff , just that I wasn’t going to ignore it.
Sorry for delay in response. Saw Hillary on FOX News (Chris Wallace). She did a terrific job.
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Kafeen: http://www.1800-sports.com/2008- presidential-election-betting-odds.shtml
Hillary (7/5) $100 bet pays $140
Obama (2/1) $100 bet pays $150
(Note: this is the bet on general election results only. It it is not a bet on SuperTuesday, or nomination–which is what we are interested in. And it will change after Super Tuesday.)
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Carbynew: not aware of breakdown by state but someone has got to be making a market in it, with all the public attention in some venue where it is lawful.
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Note: I will keep digging. If I were down in Las Vegas I could probably find the odds we are interested in. But they will not give that information over the phone due to Capone era legislation-another good thing to come out of Chicago besides Resko
Kingsgrove, The campaign isn’t making a big deal about this; there’s only that CNN bit with an unnamed adviser.
HEHS, Where are you noticing that? Anecdotally or in polls?
Just as I thought. Thanks Paula.
He’d be making a HUGE mistake if he did apologize. If you apologize, it says to people that you were wrong. Bill and Hillary said nothing wrong…and I say that as a woman of color, for what it’s worth.
James Carville is right about Bill not having a racist bone in his body. It is truly despicable how the Obama campaign and the media have twisted Bill’s words to make them appear racist. That is one of the major reasons I will not vote for Obama in the GE if by any chance he were to become our nominee.
it says to people that YOU think you were wrong, is what I should have said.
I just watched Bill speak at the church in Gardena. It was a nice and short speech. I’m glad everyone was courteous and allowed him to make his case for Hillary while also stating that he respected those who choose to vote for someone else. I still need to watch today’s town hall meeting with Hillary.
I believe lard a$$ candy crawley “sourced” that yesterday…at the same time I found her standing outside Hillary’s event in LA…
sorry anyone who has a weight problem..this is not meant to anyone here…I cannot stand that creepy woman…she looks like something that would visit in my nightmares but she is on in daylight..
The Realist says: This is a SUPPORT site and you are supporting what, with this, frankly frantic and (to me) irrational WORRYING.
Bah! Realist, admit it, on some deep level you enjoy being the voice of reason.
I, for one, am grateful to all the voices here at Big Pink. I also take great comfort in knowing that we are able to cut through all the nerves. I’ve never been a big Super Bowl fan, so communicating with everyone around here is my fun for the day.
Admin, a round of Pink Lemonade for everyone, on me!
I was just responding to 1950democrat’s comment that showed a decrease in black support for Obama. I don’t believe it’s gone to a low of 47%. I would like to see the evidence for that. Obama will always have more than 50% of the black vote. Being in the 60s is actually a really bad sign for him since he’s been holding steady in the 70s.
Here are the trends of black voters for HRC so far:
16% – IA
Not reported – NH
30% – MI (Obama not on ballot)
14% – NV
19% – SC
27% – FL
Obama did his worst among Black voters in Florida so far dropping to 70% of that vote.
I don’t know if CA will break that trend and drop Obama into the 60s for blacks. That would be one of my wishes for this election. To see a state where less than 70% of blacks vote for Obama.
A very good diary on why Hillary’s experience matters to people. Read and recommend:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/3/6579/55330/759/448757
2.7 million for obama to advertise during superbowl…
hey freckles – would you mind saying “asian-american” instead of oriental? speaking of – last night in Los Angeles, I went to an Asian American Pacific Islanders for Hillary press conference, and phone banking, and it was great – it was nice to hear people around me speaking Mandarin, and it sounded like EVERYONE who was called said they had voted or will vote for Hillary. Same with Latino voters who were called.
The Hill staffer I’d talked with yesterday had said the internals showed a very close race in CA – a few points – but if Fox is reporting that it’s now 17 internals, maybe the Hill staffer had some old news.
Everywhere I go on the internet, I see that Hillary in the globe ad saying “Don’t let this happen to you!” Who is paying for that ad? Why it’s John McCain.
So let’s face it folks, McCain isn’t worried about Obama getting the nomination…he’s freaking out that Hillary will get it.
Obama is more electible? I don’t think John McCain thinks so. LOL!
hey admin-
when ever u get ahold of that la rally video let me know.
saw this linked to Taylormarsh:
Interesting: Hillary uptick in latest tracking polls
by ScanDroid
Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 10:29:35 AM PST
Nope, nothing “BREAKING”. And it can’t be said to be a “surge” or “collapse” on either side. However, looking at today’s national tracking polls from Rasmussen and Gallup, we might be seeing the beginning of a new trend to keep an eye on.
* ScanDroid’s diary :: ::
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Both of these polls had one day of polling that took place after Hillary’s debate performance, and virtually all the data comes after the Florida primary and the departure of Edwards.
After a few days of tightening, the Rasmussen national tracking poll is starting to show a reversal of this trend. Hillary now leads by 8:
Clinton 45%
Obama 37%
Even more striking is the uptick in today’s Gallup national tracking poll…check it out. We have seen a clear tightening in this poll over the last couple of weeks, but Hillary suddenly shot up 4 points today while Barack has held steady:
Clinton 48%
Obama 41%
Note that these numbers are also in keeping with the Fox poll released yesterday. Most, if not all, of this data was collected before the debate, but after the Florida/Edwards news.
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You’ve heard me mention the debate more than once. It seemed obvious to me at the time that it was a huge victory for Hillary. And don’t accuse me of having blinders on….for instance I thought Edwards clearly won the South Carolina debate.
Barack did better in the Iraq segment and it may have been his best overall debate, but it wasn’t enough. On question after question, Hillary was more commanding and knowledgeable. Really, its simply the difference between a good debater and a great one. And on top of that, she was more likable….delivering the zinger of not only the night but of her entire campaign. Never in my life have I seen a more rapturous response to an answer at a debate. When the massive applause finally waned….it just started right back up again. Poor Wolf had to go to a commercial break!
Another crucial piece of evidence: A diary detailing why Hillary won the debate shot to the very top of the recommended list here at DailyObama. There ya go.
I know this analysis goes against the CW here on this site and in some quarters of the media. However, keep in mind that there was a similar reaction to the debate in New Hampshire….and how’d that one turn out, in hindsight? I said on here at the time (in a comment now in the dustbin) that I thought Hillary would win New Hampshire with that debate performance. My feeling after the last debate was the same: She just won Super Tuesday.
And for once, even Kos agrees with me.
fox has been decent regarding Hillary but I would not put it past them to try to suppres the people in california tomorrow by making it look like she has a huge lead….
Testing BMerry’s RezkoWatch link
T4H
the LA rally video is available for viewing on cspan campaign network.org
Ininla, I don’t trust Fox on that. Major Garrett also said the Des Moines Register poll was going to be bad news for Obama, and he was up 7.
I believe she’s going to win CA, but we shouldn’t assume a big margin. She’d need a bigger national lead for that to be the case.
Hillary’s staffers are right to take nothing for granted.
yes Paula – that’s why I’m going to do a little CA phonebanking before the Superbowl distracts everyone and probably some more phonebanking tomorrow.
NYCMax….I tried your rezkowatch link and it got bogged down like all the other links I’ve tried. BUT, I found that it I hit stop, and then refresh , the page loaded just fine.
I absolutely hope that women will come out in huge droves on ST and give Hillary the win – and that the media-circus will finally say…oops, we overlooked them all this time, but “it was women, stupid.”
Does anybody know anything about latest polls – my pc died out – I am sitting n the library?
just heard that Bill Cristol from Faux News says White Women are a Problem….who will step up to take that on?
john, don’t worry about polls right now. Hillary is going to win.
dot48
thanks. I worry about California-heard something on CNN about it.
I hear Hillary is ahead in Arizona and Missouri.
john…read up^^^ swings on who you want to ask…..Tuesday tells the tale
Looking ahead to Tuesday Night, taking nothing for granted because we know that Hillary is not.
Whose head do you want to see explode first?
For me .. first have to be ScaryJoe and Spitball Matthews first
Then Candy A$$ Crawley
dot48
I see your point. I am bringing my grandfather who is 92 on Tuesday to vote for her in NJ
Basically my whole family is voting for her under my pressure
kudos John to you and your grandfather…this is such an important election.
I know i’ve been flip about some stuff…but there is a lot at stake here. a lot….I’m like Hillary, I just don’t want to see us go BACKWARD
john, my entire family has already voted here in Tn…Wva outcasts have to wait till May but she polling ahead here in Tn and WV
john, mine aren’t voting under pressure though..they see the URGENCY of this election. I see it as now.
john your pc just died or no virus protection
dot48
Neither do I. And Obama is a step back – he is only good in speeches and rallies – but how about reality. Anyways – for me he is finished. I just hope I am not the only one. And right when I need it – my motherboard on PC died on me. Lol
So I am trying to get as much as I can in this 20 minutes in the library.
dot48
it is not a virus – this is for sure, I had Norton latest one. It is just old.
* Remember guys, these “tight poll numbers” don’t measure intensity of support (Our strength) + The rest all comes down to FOCUS & HARD WORK. Spreading this negative energy around (even unintentionally) only hurts us. / One more time for all the “nellies” out there lol :
TheRealist Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I left you people 24 hours ago and you’ve gotten worse…
Go and do something productive. The core who clog the board with, “worries”, about polls with 30% undecideds and the like are giving more comfort to the other side than your own camp. The only polls that matter are the EXIT polls in 48 hours or so. I called you, “my Hillaries”, but since yesterday I have started calling this core group, “the nellies”, as in nervous. Trolls couldn’t do a better job of spreading doubt and negativity.
It’s Super Bowl Sunday. Have a freaking Hillary is 44 SB party. Some of you could obviously use some time away from this, and getting drunk doesn’t seem like a bad idea either…
Don’t be a bummer! THREE DAYS ago, I said that you would see wildly divergent polling and to take it all with a grain of salt, both the good and the bad, as neither could possibly reflect the reality on the ground, but I have seen nothing BUT poll fretting and parsing which is why I took yesterday off. I am especially disappointed in those who spend their time working out, “worst case scenarios”, based nothing more then their own fears and insecurities. This is a SUPPORT site and you are supporting what, with this, frankly frantic and (to me) irrational WORRYING.
Hillary will win the Big states and the majority of the primaries, at least FIFTEEN of them, and regardless of what some here have said, it will be the kind of across the board win demographically that will be impossible to spin and will result in Barry leaving the competition by the beginning of March.
The demo profile of NV and FL will be replicated in state after state and I will look like some kind of genius on Wednesday, when all I am is a REALIST. Despite the fact that I listed at least three odds maker’s and gambler’s sites, that ANY politically savvy person will tell you prove to be far more accurate than any poll, it doesn’t appear that ANYONE bothered to look at them, choosing instead to fret over the latest MEANINGLESS polls.
InTrade Clinton-61 Barry-39 (for the NOMINATION)
NY, H-94 B-10
CA H-67 B-42
NJ H-72 B-33
TN H-82 B-12
OK H-86 B-5
NM H-77 B-18
Mo H-51 B-43
MA H-81 B-20
AR H-94 B-6
AZ H-79 B-26
DE H-65 B-35
UT H-58 B-35
MN H-68 B-53
fantasy08.realclearpolitics.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp#
That’s at least 13 IN THE BAG. We will take a few others too. Winning the majority of primaries will create unstoppable momentum. The electorate understands who WINS a lot better than the delegate count, so when the headlines are all, “Clinton’s Super Tuesday”, and “Super-Woman!”, etc., that is what the story will be. He won Idaho, or Alaska (if he does) won’t mean much compared to Hillary winning NY and Ca. Winning those two states will seal the nomination, mark my words.
I am taking the day to walk in the park, make brunch for my wife and me and get ready to watch my beloved Giants in the biggest single day sporting event of the
year. Oprah and company could be parading NAKED and on fire down Wilshire Blvd. today and it would draw scant notice. This is a no-news day in the political world, so you can save your worries for tomorrow.
This has been my oasis away from the, nattering nabobs of negativity”, in BM, and I am sure that I am not alone in those feelings. Lighten up! Tuesday is going to be a great, great day, a day that you will never forget. Let’s work off the nervous energy by DOING SOMETHING FOR HILLARY, and one thing that would be easy would be to stop the public poll fretting.
my library is closed on sunday..where are you?
In NJ we are open here from 1 to 5 on Sundays
You asked whose head to explode – my personal opinion – the whole of CNN is just unfair to her, the amount of news I hear about BO is just too much. And Hillary is taken out like almost completely. Why are they doing this – I am starting to think some conspiracy theories.
duh, you had already told me you are in nj…braindead.
Thanks Kingsgrove. What TheRealist said bears repeating yet again. This is a no whine, support Hillary zone.
TheRealist Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I left you people 24 hours ago and you’ve gotten worse…
Go and do something productive. The core who clog the board with, “worries”, about polls with 30% undecideds and the like are giving more comfort to the other side than your own camp. The only polls that matter are the EXIT polls in 48 hours or so. I called you, “my Hillaries”, but since yesterday I have started calling this core group, “the nellies”, as in nervous. Trolls couldn’t do a better job of spreading doubt and negativity.
It’s Super Bowl Sunday. Have a freaking Hillary is 44 SB party. Some of you could obviously use some time away from this, and getting drunk doesn’t seem like a bad idea either…
Don’t be a bummer! THREE DAYS ago, I said that you would see wildly divergent polling and to take it all with a grain of salt, both the good and the bad, as neither could possibly reflect the reality on the ground, but I have seen nothing BUT poll fretting and parsing which is why I took yesterday off. I am especially disappointed in those who spend their time working out, “worst case scenarios”, based nothing more then their own fears and insecurities. This is a SUPPORT site and you are supporting what, with this, frankly frantic and (to me) irrational WORRYING.
Hillary will win the Big states and the majority of the primaries, at least FIFTEEN of them, and regardless of what some here have said, it will be the kind of across the board win demographically that will be impossible to spin and will result in Barry leaving the competition by the beginning of March.
The demo profile of NV and FL will be replicated in state after state and I will look like some kind of genius on Wednesday, when all I am is a REALIST. Despite the fact that I listed at least three odds maker’s and gambler’s sites, that ANY politically savvy person will tell you prove to be far more accurate than any poll, it doesn’t appear that ANYONE bothered to look at them, choosing instead to fret over the latest MEANINGLESS polls.
InTrade Clinton-61 Barry-39 (for the NOMINATION)
NY, H-94 B-10
CA H-67 B-42
NJ H-72 B-33
TN H-82 B-12
OK H-86 B-5
NM H-77 B-18
Mo H-51 B-43
MA H-81 B-20
AR H-94 B-6
AZ H-79 B-26
DE H-65 B-35
UT H-58 B-35
MN H-68 B-53
fantasy08.realclearpolitics.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp#
That’s at least 13 IN THE BAG. We will take a few others too. Winning the majority of primaries will create unstoppable momentum. The electorate understands who WINS a lot better than the delegate count, so when the headlines are all, “Clinton’s Super Tuesday”, and “Super-Woman!”, etc., that is what the story will be. He won Idaho, or Alaska (if he does) won’t mean much compared to Hillary winning NY and Ca. Winning those two states will seal the nomination, mark my words.
I am taking the day to walk in the park, make brunch for my wife and me and get ready to watch my beloved Giants in the biggest single day sporting event of the
year. Oprah and company could be parading NAKED and on fire down Wilshire Blvd. today and it would draw scant notice. This is a no-news day in the political world, so you can save your worries for tomorrow.
This has been my oasis away from the, nattering nabobs of negativity”, in BM, and I am sure that I am not alone in those feelings. Lighten up! Tuesday is going to be a great, great day, a day that you will never forget. Let’s work off the nervous energy by DOING SOMETHING FOR HILLARY, and one thing that would be easy would be to stop the public poll fretting.
LOL I am a bit tired today – worked too much during this week
obama is ahead in utah
http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7815582&nav=menu554_2_3
obama 53
clinton 28
the campaign must send someone to utah before super tuesday. this is really worrisome.
Does that Super Bowl ad for Obama really cost $2.7 mill? Yikes …
My little prediction is that by Wednesday morning, Hillary will be 300 to 400 delegates again of Obama; at that point, the media will start to ask whether Hillary will ask Obama to be on the ticket as a vice presidential nominee.
It is a blizzard here in Iowa, good for HRC that she doesn’t have to campaign here anymore.
pulchritude, Maybe she’s not really targeting Utah. Chelsea was there, but no one else I don’t think.
Gotta believe that America will see through the fog. Most folk I’ve talked with in the last few days especially are turning on media and Obama…due to the fallout from the obvious scorn of her by the bigwhig MEN and cowardly women in the media.
The Hillary the saw is the Hillary of the Thursday night debate who will stand behind noone in defense of America and who has a proven racetrack workhorse record of fighting for America
when the fog clears she’s gonna be standing tall and proud ..akin to the statue of liberty herself.
i must log off, as these results from utah have induced a panic attack.
I think we will win Utah, no prob. Hillary has been there for a fundraiser late last year.
And Chelsea. Everyone calm down. HRC won’t even need Utah if she pulls off victories in NY, NJ, Cali, Mass, Tenn, Arizona, and Oklahoma. She will be fine. All calm down. Remember this is Utah, which we probably haven’t carried forever as Democrats.
pulchritude, Take it easy, lol.
paula, that is what I read online…he is burning through money like there is no tomorrow…oh, well, really for him there is no tomorrow LOL
she’s winning Tennessee…I have no doubt.
3 mill on a super bowl commercial in massachusetts, where we are WAY ahead. He is stupid.
Thanks for the heads up, I’m watching Hillarys event in LA, Bradly Whitford speaking now, I loved his line that he is supporting Hillary for she will fight for an America “where our schools are shinier then our missiles.”
crowd went crazy!!
As someone posted above, the diary from mydd was about right: We win Cali, Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and close states where we will win will be Missouri, New Mexico, Utah, and Delaware. We will probably only lose Illinois, Georgia, Colorado, North Dakota, Alaska and Idaho. And even if we lose these, we will still get some delegates from them. We are going to do great.
didn’t someone say his manager got hefty chunk of change out of those ads. shows he is not responsible … not someone we should trust with the federal budget..
Yall, what Realist, Kingsgrove, and ADMIN said. Trust our girl and the campaign and the forces of good, for once. We can’t control lots of things. but we can choose to be positive and send lots of good energy out there. It’s Hillary. It’s her time. I truly believe that.
hawk, sort of sounds like that song “I’ve been everywhere, now I’ve been everywhere”
Hello all…I am thinking one headline MSM will not be able to avoid when Hillary wins Massachusetts is that even with Ted, Patrick and Caroline Kennedy and John Kerry…Hillary wins Mass…that will not bode well for them and their impact…I think that may be when I crack open the champagne…
All the talk about California being at risk is just plain silly. We have a huge bank of votes already tucked away in the absentee ballots. Moreover, a friend of mine in California working full time on the campaign tells me that Latinos and Asians are rock solid for Hillary, and rumors to the contrary are just typical Obama smoke. If Obama really thought he had a chance in the Golden State, trust me, he would be there 24-7 between now and election day, because California is, well, the Golden State.
I don’t mean to make too much fuzz about this video clip, but as I would like many people to be able to see it, and please spread it around to show people this is the real caring loving Hillary that we will be electing president.
Here is the link again, very moving.
youtube.com/watch?v=l0Jrdvayjrw
I see a lot of empty seats on Oprah’s rally. Lots of AA in the rally.
Blue – These figures look surprising, I’ve got them from different sources so dunno if it’s right.
Obama’s Black support decreasing?
NV 83 % election vote exit polls
SC 80….election vote exit polls
FL 70…..election vote exit polls
…..62 ….Feb 2? source?, confirm date
…. 47 ….Pew poll, date?
Something must be apples vs oranges here, if there were such a steep drop in comparable samplings, somebody ought to be talking about it…?
If anyone has the missing details handy, I’d appreciate it.
Alabama Primary 60 delegates
Alaska Caucus 18 delegates
Arizona Primary 67 delegates
Arkansas Primary 47 delegates
California Primary 441 delegates
Colorado Caucus 71 delegates
Connecticut Primary 60 delegates
Delaware Primary 23 delegates
Georgia Primary 103 delegates
Idaho Caucus 23 delegates
Illinois Primary 185 delegates
Kansas Caucus 41 delegates
Massachusetts Primary 121 delegates
Minnesota Caucus 88 delegates
Missouri Primary 88 delegates
New Jersey Primary 127 delegates
New Mexico Caucus 38 delegates
New York Primary 281 delegates
North Dakota Caucus 21 delegates
Oklahoma Primary 47 delegates
Tennessee Primary 85 delegates
Utah Primary 29 delegates
Democrats Abroad Primary 11 delegates
Think about this…I suspect we will have a 480 or so lead in delegate/super delegates after the 5th. That is good.
i suppose bm is covering oprahs big brewhaha….
I finally recovered from the panic attack. Have any news organizations release new polling data?
She is telling people to change their mind. She looks desperate. Speech is pretty flat.
Thanks for the video Gorto. She really does care.
That clip’s from The Hunting of the President. I have the DVD. Very insightful.
C-Span
Change their minds? F her.
pulchritude lol, you need stay away from those polls.
After this lead, superdelegates will go to us, and we will do well in the following states:
Louisiana Primary 67 delegates
Nebraska Caucus 31 delegates
Washington Caucus 97 delegates
Virgin Islands Other 9 delegates
Maine Caucus 34 delegates
District of Columbia Caucus 38 delegates
Maryland Primary 99 delegates
Virginia Primary 101 delegates
Hawaii Caucus 29 delegates
Wisconsin Primary 92 delegates
Ohio Primary 161 delegates
Rhode Island Primary 32 delegates
Texas Primary 228 delegates
Vermont Primary 23 delegates
Wyoming Caucus 18 delegates
American Samoa Caucus 9 delegates
Mississippi Primary 40 delegates
Pennsylvania Primary 188 delegates
Guam Other 9 delegates
Indiana Primary 84 delegates
North Carolina Primary 134 delegates
West Virginia Primary 39 delegates
Kentucky Primary 60 delegates
Oregon Primary 65 delegates
Montana Primary 24 delegates
South Dakota Primary 23 delegates
Puerto Rico Caucus 63 delegates
overflow
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/75879.php
We should win Washington, Maine, Ohio, Rhode Island, Texas, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, and Puerto Rico.
hawk, please cite polling data.
Yes, poop on her. what do we look like a bunch of oprahbamabots LOL
NY TIMES election guide has list of states, delegates, and dates of primary/caucus, I am just speculating pulchritude
This looks very good for us.
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/primaries/democraticprimaries/index.html
She’s pathetic. She can’t tell people who do vote for. Not to mention, Hillary’s policies are probably more helpful to her audience there, than the symbolic Obama. Fine for a billionaire not to worry about paying the bills and feeding the children, but frankly, I find this sort of pushiness on her part just irresponsible.
If they sit the Florida and Michigan delegates, which I assume they will, we will do even better.
Oh, and I didn’t know Puerto Rico had so many delegates up for grabs
Hillary can win Louisiana if she and Bill campaign in Lake Charles, Baton Rouge, Alexandria, New Orleans and Shreveport. This can be done in one day.
Puerto Rico my home land is all 4 Hillary
pulch…really just one more day…Hillary worked hard for Katrina victims…maybe they will remember…memories are like that..
and yes, oprah already seen decline in her show not that she has to worry about $ or anything..as you say, she ain’t worried.
TeamClinton08, you are from PR? Neat. It’s so beautiful there.
Nikki 22 says: Call me crazy but I don’t think if you had a chance to win the biggest prize on TT you would be in Idaho and leave your surrogates in Cali.
**** I see that you and Mjs subscribe to the same theory. I have to disagree and agree with Hillarylandrocks on your comment above. Due to the fact that CA awards delegates proportinately i.e even if you win 60-40 in a district if it awards 4 del, the winner would get 2 and the loser would get 2-. It is only helpful in CD where the delegates awarded are odd numbers. However, in the even # CD, the only way a winner can win 3-1 delegates is if they win in a district by a huge margie i.e 78-22 or somewhere along thhat line.
The reason that Obambi is in Idaho is due to the law of diminishing returns. Even if he were to invest more time in Ca, Hillary may win the popular vote but their difference in delegates won’t be that far apart.
He is going for the news narrative that evven though Hillary won the popular states/large states, he won many more states(although they are little). In addition, in the states where they are close, they may only be separated by say 10-20 delegates. However, if he can win in uncontestd smaller, southern states, even htough the delegate counts are smaller i.e 28, 18 etc, These wins can be used to offset the dlegates margins that Clinton won in other states. Thereby:
He is doing 2 things:
1. He is trying to win the media narrative by being able to say that he won more states even if she she will win the popular vote.
2. He is trying to win delegates even though they are smaller amounts to off set the differences that she will win in other states.
Here’s their strategy:
1. Clinton- Focus on larger states to win more delegates and where she is more popular. Also remember, they are also trying to conserve resources as this race will prob. go on through 3/4 unless a surprise happens on TT. Clinton is hoping to say that she won the popular votes. She is also hoping to maximize her resources by focusing on the larger states.
2. Bambi- His strategy is to focus on the smaller states. he went to Deleare today where their are only 18 delegates. That should tell you something. He would like to say that he won 13 or so states and spin that into a winning meme for him. He knows that he doesn’t have enought time to compete with Clinton in the larger states although he won’t abandon them.
The bottom line is that Hillary is hoping to get more delegates from the larger states and to claim that she won the popular vote.
Babi is hiping to keep the delegate count close and also be able to spin that he won maore states.
NY City. I was glad to see that Clinton is seemingly starting to stem the flow from the heart of NYC to Bambi where theire are more AA in this district and more registered dems in this district than in any other bourrough.
I can’t stand OPRAH! UGH! I’ll never watch her show again!
Another MUST-READ comment from Realist!(to calm your nerves): http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=464#comment-52202
Main points:
MJ, I was born there now live in NY. Yes PR is beautiful
I hope our Puerto Rican brothers and sisters vote for HRC. That is a good chunk of delegates. Toward the end of the campaign Hill should go down, visit San Juan and Ponce, and then come back and prepare for the fight against John McCain/Mitt Romney/Mike Huckabee.
2 mile long lines, huge crowds. look at the pictures.
she is going to squash him like a pea ant.
she is going to whip him like a rented mule.
Hillary is peaking just about perfect…one more day to ride the crescendo and BAM a perfect storm to wipe out the piddly squal line named bambi.
Yeah forget about Idaho, we will get like 8 delegates from there. Maria Cantwell is campaigning there for HRC. Now Frank Church’s wife endorsed her there too.
Who is Frank Church?
Legendary dem senator from there. He was popular there, which is hard for a dem to do.
Thanks, Hawk.
so it seems bambi is changing game plan mid game? just this past week it was about delegate count…now it’s about who wins most states…just like a man to try to leave a lot of wiggle room (sorry men here LOL)
obama is strong in Delaware.
He supposedly drew an audience of 20,000 at a rally.
Has anyone ever lost the CA primary and won the nomination? Just curious.
MJS, Anything new to report today?
Hillary is well ahead in absentee ballot votes and has a huge advantage with Latino voters in CA. Stop worrying about CA. She WILL win there. I don’t see how Obama wins CA with his demographics.
not much.
the campaign is very busy, as you would expect. not much drama.
Yeah, dot48, anything they can do to make it appear that our victory on tuesday was not much. They are readying both arguements for their buddies on msnbc and cnn.
BTW, I suspect Oprah doesn’t want to be doing this. Hence the half-hearted speech.
OMG, it is snowing soooo baaaddd here!
full la rally video link-
http://switchboard.real.com/player/email.html?PV=6.0.12&&title=Sen.%20Hillary%20Clinton%20%28D%2DNY%29%20Campaign%20Event&link=rtsp%3A%2F%2Fvideo.c%2Dspan.org%2Farchive%2Fc08%2Fc08%5F020208%5Fclinton.rm
MJS, What do you think about the Super Bowl ad?
Hope this doesn’t depress turnout in Minnesota.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/in-upper-manhattan-a-latino-caravan-for-clinton/
Latinos caravan for Clinton in Manhattan
Does Hillary have a superbowl ad?
Paula,
Ted Kennedy won California in 1980 and lost the nomination to Jimmy Carter
hawk, surely it will be cleared out by Tuesday????
just to pass the time…what is everyone’s forecast for Tuesday….
here it is supposed to be partly cloudy and upper 60’s….East Tennessee
No.
They always say that. I doubt it was actually 20k, but if they are all just his supporters, it really doesn’t matter. I never saw one crowd of 20k in NH even though the media kept reporting that.
rjk1957, Thanks.
Hillary will air pre=game ads….
People, do not obsess over this–go watch the Super Bowl and have fun. I just wanted to post this as it’s good news and I haven’t seen this poll posted here. It’s historical fact that polls naturally tighten as the election nears. The media seizes on them because they are Obama biased and are trying to create a perception favorable to their “choosen one”. We know better…listen to what TheRealist is saying. He has been right on the money with the other primaries..
Hillary has 14 pt. lead in New Jersey Monmouth University/Gannett poll Feb. 3, 2008
Hillary 50%
Obama 36%
http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/NEWS/802030578/1001
lets see, 20,000 x 12.50 per hour…
at this rate he’s going to be taking clint eastwoods place in Fistful of Dollars
I believe Hillary will win NJ.
Who does the machine support in NJ? It’s a machine state.
Gov. Corzine and Sen. Menendez back Hillary.
’nuff said.
Hawk, a little bit of snow will not stop Minnesotans from going to the polls. We are tough up here..
since I totally care nothing about the super bowl game, I will be here.
Michelle Obama speaks with one HUGE chip on her shoulder. Rough, tough, gruff, mean sistah. This is the most insulting dialogue to listen to her “whatcha gonna do ’bout it”(homey) crap. Talk about a PUT OFF. If this is the best this nation can come up with – some hard-nosed (blank) – then this country is D O O M E D. People better put a stop to this CLASSLESS ACT for a first family. OMG – THIS IS H O R R I B L E. This is an absolute disgrace. D E L I V E R Y D O E S M A T T E R. Crass talk belongs on a rap station, but A M E R I C A D O E S N O T D E S E R V E T H I S. She’s right – she’s not supposed to be there. E V E R Y T H I N G T H A T C O M E S O U T O F H E R M O U T H I S R A C I S T! N O W L E A D I N G T H I S B L A C K C H A N T I N G C R A P. And her surprise…is…M A R I A S H R I V E R B I G S U R P R I S E – O P R A H ‘S B E S T F R I E N D.
mj,
you mean voting machines? If so I have no idea, we have been using computerized machines since around 2000 maybe before and have never had a problem with them or the software.
well whoppe deedoo oprah and her best friends…where is gayle by the way?
Hispanics
In New Mexico, it’s not that Obama isn’t exciting Hispanic voters. It’s just that Clinton’s already made a connection.
Volunteer Evangeline Martinez-Donkersley, right, calls potential supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton from a phone bank in Albuquerque. One observer says that the Democrats’ fight for the Hispanic vote is historic. (By Lauren Clifton For The Washington Post)
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By Jose Antonio Vargas
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 3, 2008; Page A13
ALBUQUERQUE — Inside an accounting office-turned-volunteer hub in the southwestern part of this city, Evangeline Martinez-Donkersley made nearly 85 calls on behalf of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Sometimes in English, often in Spanish, the 70-year-old said, “Necesitamos su voto para Hillary Clinton” — “We need your vote for Hillary Clinton.”
About five miles away, amid adobe houses and cottonwood trees in the North Valley neighborhood, Juanita Alonzo, 20, worked the streets for Sen. Barack Obama. Clipboard in hand, Alonzo knocked on door after door. Three hours and more than 50 doors later, the sophomore at Central New Mexico Community College sighed. “It doesn’t look too good. More than half say they’re voting for Clinton.”
That wouldn’t be surprising, given the results in Nevada and Florida, where Hispanics backed Clinton by about 2 to 1. Maintaining that edge would give her an enormous advantage in several Super Tuesday states that have large numbers of Hispanics, including California, Arizona and New York.
Here in New Mexico, home to natives who trace their history to Spanish colonists and immigrants from Mexico and other parts of Central America, nearly 40 percent of eligible voters are Hispanic.
“Hillary’s got the advantage over Obama, especially since she’ll probably get a good chunk of the Hispanic vote,” said New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who last month gave up his bid to become the first Hispanic to win the White House. Richardson, who was a Cabinet member for President Bill Clinton, has yet to endorse either candidate. “The Clintons are known here. To many Hispanics, Obama is a new face. That’s attractive to many people and risky to many others.”
The Hispanic vote, here and elsewhere, is not monolithic. Puerto Ricans in New York, for example, are viewed as more liberal and antiwar than Mexicans in California, said Roberto Suro, former director of the Pew Hispanic Center, who teaches at the University of Southern California.
There is also an emerging generation gap in the Hispanic community, one embodied in many households in Albuquerque, New Mexico’s largest city. Christopher Sanchez, 22, a senior at the University of New Mexico, plans to vote for Obama. But his mother, Julie, 50, a cashier at Wal-Mart, supports Clinton.
“What we’re seeing here is the maturation of the Hispanic vote. You have Hispanic parents — many of them immigrants, many not — who have lived through the Clinton years, which are synonymous with economic prosperity and stability. Hispanic culture is matriarchal, and the idea of a woman president is very appealing. Then you have their kids, who identify with Obama and see him as a minority who came from nothing, whose African father was an immigrant,” said Maria Teresa Petersen, director of the nonpartisan Voto Latino, which launched an ad campaign last week aimed at mobilizing young voters.
Added Simon Rosenberg, founder of the New Democrat Network, which has published numerous reports on Hispanic voting trends: “There’s an actual fight for the Hispanic vote. A historical line has been crossed. In the past, the Hispanic vote has never been a priority for the Democratic Party. But Clinton has long made it one of her priorities. And now you have Obama gaining ground.”
The moment Richardson dropped out of the primary race, aides to Clinton and Obama headed to New Mexico. Obama’s team got here first, opening three offices across the state and airing a television ad. Clinton’s campaign flooded the state soon thereafter, organizing supporters and working with longtime Democratic activists. She aired her own ad, too.
Each has rolled out a list of endorsements from Hispanic state officials, though Clinton is perceived to be surrounded by higher-profile figures, such as Dolores Huerta, a native New Mexican and co-founder of the United Farm Workers of America. It’s also not lost on Hispanics, even those who support Obama, that Clinton’s campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, is Mexican American. Obama counts Federico Pe¿a, who served as energy secretary under Bill Clinton, in his inner circle.
Two rallies Thursday illuminated the endorsement and enthusiasm gap between the candidates.
Earlier in the day, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), who has endorsed Obama, stopped at Albuquerque’s National Hispanic Cultural Center. Kennedy is a beloved figure here, his family’s relationship with Hispanics dating to the 1960s. About 250 people packed the room.
Later in the afternoon, Bill Clinton was greeted by about 3,000 people at the University of New Mexico. He was introduced by Huerta and Martin Ch¿vez, Albuquerque’s mayor.
Still, both Clinton and Obama consider the state competitive. Obama stopped by Albuquerque and Santa Fe on Friday. On Saturday night, Hillary Clinton held a rally in Albuquerque.
“Yes, Obama may be attracting a lot of young voters, but we older voters have been more reliable than them,” said Martinez-Donkersley, a party activist for 38 years and a member of the Democratic Women of Bernalillo County and Las Amigas de Nuevo Mexico. Many Hispanics, especially older ones, vote as a unit, she continued, noting that her husband, Ray, 80, her sons Keith, 44, and James, 42, and her sisters Ramona, 72, and Connie, 69, are voting for Clinton.
Then, at the accounting office-turned-volunteer hub, she picked up the phone and dialed another number. “Estoy telefoniando por la candidata Hillary Clinton,” she said.
michelle, america will be rejecting you too on Tuesday. IMO she is baracks worst enemy
arg california numbers hillary 47% to obama’s 39%. i know arg has been among the worst polling outfit this year but just putting it out there. bad at linking so go to the webite american research group.
rjk1957, no, no, no. Machine politics. It means that there is a very large apparatus in place to get the voters out.
dot48 Says: just heard that Bill Cristol from Faux News says White Women are a Problem….who will step up to take that on?
All 99 million of us!
Bill courts Black Churchgoers:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hpGL9E2m6_HYjih2YOUZtb-teuQgD8UJ1MNG0
Bill Clinton Courts Black Churchgoers
By MICHAEL R. BLOOD – 3 hours ago
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Former President Clinton struck a conciliatory tone with black parishioners Sunday, noting the historic nature of the Democratic presidential race in which his wife is a leading candidate and not once mentioning her rival by name.
Clinton’s back-to-back appearances at four churches in this city’s historically black heartland appeared intended to smooth over perceptions that he injected race into the campaign in the heated run-up to the Democratic primary in South Carolina.
Illinois Sen. Barack Obama scored a 2-to-1 victory over New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in South Carolina on Jan. 26, and the two are tied in California among likely Democratic primary voters, according to a Field Poll released Sunday.
California holds its presidential primaries in two days, one of more than 20 states with contests on Super Tuesday.
The former president never uttered Obama’s name when he spoke for about 20 minutes at the City of Refuge church in Gardena, but struck a conciliatory tone in describing the Democratic contest as “an embarrassment of riches.”
He noted the historic nature of the campaign, with a woman and a black candidate in the running for the party’s nomination.
“I’m not against anybody,” said Clinton, who on stage was surrounded by a band and a 75-member choir. He was greeted warmly by the roughly 3,000 people who filled the pews.
Clinton gave a low-key but forceful endorsement of his wife. He urged parishioners to support her candidacy — he called her a “world-class change-maker” — because of her position on issues important to them, such as health care, help for Iraq war veterans, education and job creation.
“You need somebody who can make these changes,” Clinton said, a reference to the experience his wife has promoted on the campaign trail.
Clinton aides said the church tour was unrelated to political events in South Carolina, where the Clinton and Obama campaigns accused the other of fanning racial flames.
At one appearance, Bill Clinton said he had been told his wife would not win the primary because the candidates were getting votes “because of their race or gender.” His comment that Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina when he ran for president in 1984 and 1988 was interpreted by some as an effort to diminish the significance of Obama’s win. Jackson did not become the party’s presidential nomination.
marie shriver, oprah winfrey,michelle obama…they all lend the air of $$$$$$. oprah plays women and poverty issues on her show to make more $$$$….these women do not touch the regular women vote.
this trio of classless are playing to repubs and indy vote in california
Cali=Clinton Country. Don’t worry. The people of California have probably all made up their minds and absentee’ers have already voiced theirs. Glad the campaign focused on absentee ballots early in the race.
That article I posted above, that is why I want to be in New Mexico or California, or Arizona to call Latinos and talk to them as one, telling them how this woman has been an advocate for us. I live in Iowa, where there are not many.
dot48 Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 5:54 pm
well whoppe deedoo oprah and her best friends…where is gayle by the way
never watch oprah again and gayle got messages too..so im sure she will stay out of it..telling people who to vote for ..shes gonna get slew of bad messages again lol…they havent quit sending messages…her tv show is down..i hope it goes bleak…i dont buy any of the books she promotes,she think she can tell america what to do…
that should be barnes and noble not her…and book stores…not no damn oprah show..and that weight crap loss stuff she does…then eats chocolate the next day on the show…mixed up messages to me…
Kennedy overload. This entire Obama shoved-down-your-throat (bank) has been orchestrated by Oprah, down to the whole fam damily – Kennedy clan. And Shriver says she “Just woke up this morning,and said she wasn’t part of this..” WHATEVER. She and Oprah planned the last two years down to the tee. Next, amendement so that foreign-born citizens can become president (AHNALD). Soooo planned out. The Kennedys are the most disgusting family in the nation if you ask me. The more Maria talks, the more she gives away that this has been a calculated master plan with her (and her former news organization – NBC) and Oprah for quite some time. ARRGGHHHHH!!!!! How stupid are the American people? Looking at all the sistah girls on stage makes me sick. Yeah, where’s Gayle?
where at in la is the oprah event being held? are there alot of people, i assume so. what is the make upof the crowd? if its mostly aa it seems to be preaching to the choir…
Will the early voting ballets be counted into tuesday night numbers or will those totals come out later?
are there tons of girls there?
REgarding the superbowl ads. He is not advertising nationally. I don’t believe that political ads are accepted and even if they were, it would make no sense to spend $2.7 to $3m for a 30sec ad. He will be advertising LOCALLY in MA during the superbowl.
MA: This is the state beside CA that I really want Hillary to win. CT is also important because next to CA, NY, IL, NJ, MA, this state has the most delegates.
well since oprah has a new best buddy named barrack and closely followed by michelle…i am sure the family unit has just become perhaps a little small to include gayle any longer.
no offense to any of the sisters here…but the sistah stuff will whiplash on them. I am sure barack really thinks this will help or he wouldn’t be doing it…but America doesn’t want a bullish first lady. she needs to take a page out of hillary and laura bush notebook. venture a guess, does she even know how to drink tea???
This web site has Hillary up 436 delegates after TT.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/state-polls.html
BREAKING: Maria Shriver Endorses Barack!
Yes! The same Maria Shriver who just stood by and watched as her husband rejected marriage equality TWO times in California.
Yes! The same Maria Shriver who stood by and did nothing as Arnold was fighting the unions in California.
California started counting ballots this past tuesday and will stop when the polls close on Tuesday so they can start tallying voting machines. The first numbers reported tuesday night will be from early voting. Once all the votes cast that day are reported they will continue counting the early voting and absentee ballots.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-calelection3feb03,0,2945808.story
Maria and Arnold are both batting 1000, they both backed losers.
Saw a bit of Oprah at the rally in CA. There were alot of people but IMO, the stadium wasn’t totally filled. I really have lost a bit of respect for Oprah for doing this but it’s her decision. Let’s see how much the media will spin and hype this tomorrow.
I put my faith in the absentee ballots and in the Latino voters in So. Cal. I don’t think that he will get 80-20 Black support, I think that it will be a bit lower. It’s interesting to see how the women voters break. Some polls seem to point that it is even. However, I have to believe in the actual box, more will break for Clinton.
Absentee ballots are allowed to begin to be counted 1 week before the Primary. However, I’m sure that quite a bit wwon’t by counted on 2/5 and the results may not be final until 2/6.
I saw Kennedy and Sen. or Cgrsmn Becerra at a ralley in CA on Friday and it was sparsley attended. Hmmm…
as an aa myself, i am gathering from the comments it is a mostly aa crowd. i am guessing this beased on the way the comments indicate the method of comments form the speakers, ie michelles sista talk, if so, wow…
Don’t worry about crowds at Oprahlooza. People go out to see the freak show and be part of the excitement. They are not all Dem primary voters, they are lookie-loos.
Oprah already got backlash from women, and she will be getting more.
436, I had a little more as my guess, about 480, but either is good.
I am experiencing heart palpitations for the second time today. Maria Schriver endorsed Obama today? This will appear on all the headlines in CA, and everyone will be alerted to her endorsement on local news. This is terrible. I need to log off.
those ads are 24 state ad buy. nothing to sneeze at and a whole fistful of dollars
Obama is throwing any and all (of the few) Latino surrogates he has out to try to steal the vote, but that’s not gonna do anything.
anbritt, I have no problem with sistah talk if that is the audience you are talking to. I myself get REAL Southern with the “ain’t” and the down-home slang when talking to a group of people who understand that language and word choice and culture. It’s fine.
But that is not what you do when you are trying to unite people, and speak to a multicultural audience, and wanting to be First Lady. It’s just not appropriate in that setting.
Have you guys seen this?
http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/politics/the_trouble_with_obama.php
Pulchritude, it’s fine. It is Kennedy overload at this point, and I think most of America is going to see it as pushy and distasteful and, well……….. tacky. Like they want so bad to be relevant again, instead of leaving those memories be, with dignity.
Oprah already got backlash from women, and she will be getting more…lookie-loos..lol
you bet she is…alott more…there not voters its the freak show..they just seeing if oprah will throw out some money to emm or a car..lol…
I am gathering from california residents onboard here that Arnold and Maria Shriver endorsement mean jack $hit. Hurt more than help considering the way their support of many unpopular issues.
of course bm will make this out to be like a big whoopass … however, I predict no bounce, perhaps a downward trend.
this is my personal opinion…especially on Sunday I don’t want to see a trio of women trying to beg, push, pull and stymie my vote… women will turn on oprah and obama.
rjk1957: Thanks for the info
pulchritude, you’re right. I think you need to log off. Go watch the game.
pulchritude, as Hillary said, if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen
take a chill and don’t worry, be happy…super tuesday is just a few hours away
sorry Kennedy clan…Barack Hussein Obama will never be American’s new Camelot Prince and you cannot shove him down our throat. We have the power of the voting booth and we will shun and reject you big time on Tuesday and beyond.
I’ve been looking around a bit, and I think this is pretty doggone close to how it will break out….
news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/01/30/hot-seat-so-whos-leading-now/
What’s going on with California? I don’t get it. Can someone explain it to me, please…
The only polls that matter at this point are the polls after the voters cast their votes on Tuesday. I have a feeling that Hillary is going to have the last laugh. I can’t wait till supper Tuesday! Only a few hours away till Hillary shows them what she’s made of!
California:
We have the advantages of Congressional endorsements, money, Latinos, women, absentee voting, name recognition, and with most other demographics. We will win California. There should be no worry about it.
hillfans, good news and bad news on the polls for obamabots. the good news for then cbsnews national poll had hillary 41% and obama 41%. get this hillfans. cbs threw a curve and did supertuesday states only poll also, 49% hillary 31% obama. YAY!!!
I caught some of the Barack rally on CNN. Just some thoughts:
1). Oprah is a well spoken black woman….why all of a sudden is she trying to sound like she comes from the hood? Give us a break, Oprah.
2). Also thought her mocking female voters who called her a traitor was insulting. Say you’re voting for who you think is best for the job, I don’t have a problem with that. But don’t MOCK woman, for crying out loud. I’m a woman of color and I have NEVER mocked by brothers and sisters who are voting for Barack because they want to see a black man as President.
3). Felt horrible when Stevie took a dive. Perhaps is Michelle had been more concerned with leading him SAFELY to the microphone, rather than gawking at her husbands huge crowd , that wouldn’t have happened.
4). Caroline Kennedy is sweet.
Caroline Kennedy is a dufus. Supporting someone because your kids tell you to? Please.
So I am away from the computer for an hour and come back to find another Kennedy clan member endorse Barry. What’s new? This is getting REALLY old and the Kennedy family is ruining their name by even doing this. One or two family members is alright but when they have practically the entire family endorse Barry knowing how fractured the Democratic party is right now was not a good idea on their part. They are doing this to put their family name in the spotlight again. I’ve always had respect for the Kennedy legacy but I could care less about current family members like Ted, Maria, and Caroline.
1985: Exactly. Maria Shriver and Caroline Kennedy shouldn’t even have a say in this. They are not politicians. Maria married a man who is endorsing McCain. Caroline …. what exactly does she do for a living anyway? This is about building momentum for Barry but nothing to this is substantial. It’s like that stupid “Yes We Can” music video. Just a bunch of hype that shouldn’t even happen in a presidential election. This shouldn’t be about glitz or glamor. The election should be focused on average Americans with REAL problems that need to be solved.
P.S. Perez Hilton’s quote of the day is another Hillary quote. Yay! He’s really voting for her. He hasn’t put up the “Yes We Can” video yet and hopefully he doesn’t plan to.
Has anyone noticed how much nicer commentators have been lately about Hillary? They’re not the usual SHE IS SATAN posts and are now seeming to be like “Obama has no substance”….interesting. I’m just sick of polls.
These are the states I think Clinton will win overall (democratic primaries)…
California
Nevada
Washington
Oklahoma
Arizona
Missouri
Tennessee
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typical male regards for NOT voting Hillary::::
J.d. Watts1:39PMJan 30th 2008
I just don’t think our country is ready for a woman president, to me it’s a sign of weakness and I just don’t think we are that liberal, because we are not weak as a country and I don’t want to appear as being weak.
LOL, Terrondt that poll is really good news for Hillary! The Obamabots are going crazy because the CBS poll shows it as a tie nationally but the state by state polls favor Hillary.
Wait, is that the real JD Watts? Where does that quote come from?
JC Watts you mean?
HI LJ
Maybe the media will began to see the monster they have created. A President controlled by Ted Kennedy, and the so called elite. I doubt whether any of these News CO. really want that. Tax them to death…take all their money away from them. chuckle. Make them pay for others health care. And build large monuments to the Kennedy Clan.
seriously, did J.D.Watts say that??? This guy totally gives men a BAD NAME.
LJ, which commontators are you referring to?
typical worshiping Obambi comment **i literally found this on that cultish site of his….from a suppotrer**:
This was the first time I saw Michelle speak, and I have to say, that woman is brilliant. If she ran against Barack, I think I might have voted for her…
No notes, no teleprompter, and one of the best speaches I have ever heard. I got goosebumps. And trust me, that says a lot coming from me.
If she told me to jump of a cliff, I might actually do it..
jc watts…duh..wingnut
and no, that’s a comment on a blog lol
MJS, Obambi has lots of Koolaid for everyone!
Who give a rat’s ass about another Kennedy memeber supporting FlimFlamBam. What happened to Stevie?
MJS I really don’t want to hear that you got goosebumps from the wife of Hillary’s opponent. Save that for the Obama blogs please.
mjs,,,did the person really say that they would jump off a cliff???
folks….heads up. those obamabots (what few are left) really are going to need some serious counseling come Wednesday.
PLEASE, TRY TO BE GENTLE
Why would you say this?
“If she told me to jump of a cliff, I might actually do it..” She’s telling you to vote for her husband.
Oh, sorry, MJS, I thought you were saying that yourself. LOL.
kaffeen, the part that strikes me is: “if she told me to jump off a cliff, I’d do it!!”
that’s just sad and pathetic. lol
and there’s comments on there saying Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Maria Schriver are more role model-material than Hillary Clinton.
PFFT. Maybe to the latte-club stay-at-home-and-fawn-over-bambi moms. Maybe to the self-hating meth-women, but not to hard working and hopeful women everywhere.
Michelle who? What has she done–besides speak out for the bambi-boy.
WOAH! Did Stevie really fall off the stage?
YEAH, DID STEVIE FALL…
OH, EXCUSE ME WHILE I SAY HOW SORRY I AM…
obambi’s wife is a snob. I met her (I met em’ all as part of the exec. board of the udems) and she was arrogant. She had her chin up high and didn’t stop and talk to us or shake hands. EE did when she was here, and Bill was amazing.
lol. of course not MJ. i detest that women…esp since she has the same narotic self-obsessed air her husband does.
can’t you just see MO trying to host some bigwhig international shindig…she can’t even help poor stevie get to the stage ..
I am really being baaaddd tonight.
whose stevie?
Sorry, MJS.
Stevie Wonder
oh.
aww…the guy is blind. Why is no one helping him?
i hope stevie accidentally knocks Michelle in the face too
My God, is that stupid event still going on?
wow…even sadder…the comment that came after the “I could jump off a cliff” one:
“I’ve got to totally agree with you!!!!”
ROTFLMFAO
half those women are expecting some free Oprah gifts. What’s she going to bribe her audience with this time? Obama-in-a-box??
well…so far…Michelle is a hospital administrator….who is inept. Everyone who works in the health care profession…KNOWS…that mandates are necessary to make changes. That is why the nurses unions …and other people in the industry are behind Hillary. Also a statement….about her real motives. POWER. Shen is the race baiter. That is my summation…when she made the statement….Black people will get it ….IF we dont have mandates…there is no use in trying to change the healthcare system. Anything else will fail. We will wind up with the same problems we have now. Ive seen what has happened. Been working in health care for over twenty years. It is tragic for this country what has happened.
LMAO, MJS I Can’t stand Michelle either! But I hope Stevie is ok.
Hillary is ahead in Super Tuesday states 49-31 with 16% undecided.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/03/opinion/polls/main3783743.shtml
I think I recovered from my previous anxiety attack.
I am sure the BM ’s plan is to boost BO so that he gets the nomination and then they would throw him under the bus. The BM woud then start talking about all that stuff in the right wing blogs about BO’s cousins connection to Taliban.
hey…and I found someone who was actually swayed by the Kennedy endorsement on the OBama site:
“OH MY GOD!
I’m 67….68 in April. My Mom is 94 (95 in April) and VERY uplifted by THIS campaign. I AM SO excited to be ALIVE NOW! Caroline was a baby whenI voted for her father! WOW! YES …… I am working ALL I can to support THIS man….Barack Obama. “I NEVER SAW A MAN LKE THIS MAN BEFORE”!
I AM praying for YOU and your girls and wife.Thank YOU Caroline, Oprah, Michelle and Maria. Such GREAT POWER you each have brought into being. THANK YOU ALL!!
Janet
OHIO “
mjs, the whole crew will be looking for cliffs after Tuesday….
PLEASE TRY TO BE GENTLE TO THE RECOVERING OBAMABOTS…I am sure we can devise a 12 step plan for them…
Watts is a Republican and those comments are to be expected,
hawk: I’ve never met Mr. and Mrs. Obambi but I am not surprised by your account. Your description of Mrs. Obambi sounds just like Obambi himself (”She had her chin up high and didn’t stop and talk to us or shake hands”). Haven’t you guys seen the numerous photos of Obambi looking at HRC with his chin up high? I had problems with Edwards but I have seen him in person and at least he tries to come off as down to earth and passionate about helping the poor. I’ve also seen HRC in person and she does not have the arrogant attitude that we see in the Obambi clan.
wasn’t michelle also talking in a stump speech about how cool it would be to have a black family in the white house?
what a moron. you can see right through her empty brain.
Yes. Michelle was leading Stevie up the walkway to the stage (yes it was kinda high off the ground). From what I saw it went down like this: Michelle was supposed to be leading him. They come out and start walking. Michelle eyes the adoring crowd and forgets about Stevie. Stevie walks off the edge of the ramp.
That’s how it looked to me anyway. He definitely fell a good ways. Then, Michelle and his REAL guide helped him up and the guide then took over. Michelle then left Stevie and his guide in a cloud of dust and she made a b-line for the microphone.
Ok, let’s stop posting Obama supporter comments, please.
MJS,
I was wondering if you’d log on today. Any new info?
mjs, thankful this site and Hillary supporters do not act like that.
If I do, please slap me into next week.
LOL dot48. Personally, I wouldn’t mind for these people…you know…purifying the population….JK
but really, it makes me happy to be a hillary supporter. imagine the conversations we would be having if we were on that board? LOL
“hey, I WANT TO JUMP FIRST”
“no, ME”
“OBAMA IS SOOO DREAMY and KENNEDY MAKES MY MOUTH DROOL, that’s why HE FILLS ME WITH HOPIUM and I’LL MAKE SURE TO STAY SOBER ON TUESDAY TO VOTE FOR HIM”
“OMG, LIKE, ME TOO”
MJS: I’m sure the crazy woman you quoted would’ve voted for Obambi without the Kennedy endorsement. They use it as an excuse but have ANY of us really made our choice to vote for HRC based on an endorsement? Is anyone on here really that dumb? I’m glad to see anyone supporting HRC and the NYT endorsement was nice but I would’ve voted for HRC regardless of all of those things. These people really have no minds of their own if they are basing their decisions on music videos and endorsements. They really are Obamabots.
Michelle brilliant? Oh dear. If she said, “Well, let me tell you something..” once she said it at least a dozen times. She is one mean-looking and mean-talking (blank). This is the role model we wantforour daughters? I don’t think so. I have never seen her speak in an interview when she didn’t appear pissed off and on the defensive. So much for optimistic hope. There was a hard edgeto all the sistahs that spoke today. Brash, pushy, and contrived. Only Caroline seemed not such a mean-ass. And if it’s true that her teenage kids told her what to do, then it she isn’t too bright, I dont’ care how many degrees and museums she is on the board of (directors). Maria even plugged her hubby (aspirations) and teenager’s support for Obama. Personally, thisentireKennedy fiasco has Oprah’s footprints all over it. Amazing that the Kennedy family allowed her to exploit them in this manner. I find the whole thing to be in the poorest taste. I suppose they are so in awe of Oprah’s money, they sold out. Maybe they should join Oprah and Obama at their Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ for a Black Values African-centrist experience. Perhaps Jeremiah Wright Jr., pastor, could arrange for Caroline and Maria to meet Louis Farrakhan, and they could discuss their new-found common ground. Sure sounds like selling your soul to the devil to me.
OMG, Michelle left Stevie on the ground and walked over to the microphone?
nikki22, nothing interesting. Just a lot of talk aobut how some people are collapsing under campaign pressures, but I’m sure there are people like that on both sides
Stop picking on that poor old woman….she’s just “coming to Jesus”. Is THAT soooo wrong?
No Team, she did try to help him up, and then his guide took over. After the guide took Stevies arm, Michelle seemed to forget they were even behind her. She marched straight to the mic leaving Stevie and his guide trailing behind her by a mile.
I LOVE Stevie…and he seemed okay….but I thought the way she handled it all was very telling.
Ok, are you guys waying this thing is still going on? When the heck does it end?
did she really leave poor Stevie to find his way on his own.
you know that is what would happen if they are in the white house. we have been having to find our way for 8 years now and I see real hope for this country with leadership of Hillary Clinton
I am not smokin no hopium and I am not getting on the train of nowhere. We want to go forward not back to Kennedy era…hell, that is farther back that the Clinton eras.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/03/opinion/polls/main3783743.shtml
More importantly, Clinton leads obama 49 to 31 with 16% undecided in Super Tuesday states.
Oh ok thanks for the rundown Idunn. She should have been more careful when guiding him and shown a little more compassion when he fell. I get a arrogant vibe from her and her husband.
Hillary might ought to just say this for the hell of it on Tuesday night…
I really wasn’t sure who I was campaigning against….Barack Obama or John F. Kennedy.
Could someone please tell me, is this thing still going on? Is it an all night event?
michelle Obama has deep and controversial ties to WAL-MART.
mj…don’t know how long it goes on. i’m sure those people will have to pee at some point and it will be bye bye old gals.
does anyone know where Kostner is? I really miss his input..
I couldn’t tell you mj. I can’t bare to watch that circus! BARF!
This right here, as reported by CBS is going to the reason Hillary becomes 44.
Clinton also holds a big edge on the issue of most concern to Democratic voters: the economy. Nearly 60 percent say she would do a better job of managing the economy than Obama.
pulch…evil WalMart again. one thing about it, Hillary knows these bad tidings are waiting in the wings and this will make it much easier to resist any bullying to make him her vice president. no way.
I can’t wait for Tuesday so Obama can finally be gone from my life.
yeah, yeah, i know, I live in IL where he’s senator, but he really doesn’t do anything to affect any part of my life…so it’s not like I’ll notice him
and let’s hope the bambis keep their promise of NEVER NEVER EVER running for President again. EVER.
BO is no JFK, never will be. He may be good at public oratory, but when it comes to the substance it’s not there. No military service, no major legislation, no large accomplishments at all. A community organizer as president……my a**.
He never did anything for Illinois anyways.
MJS, don’t get over confident, please. Let’s keep plugging.
i actually dislike barack as much now, as I dislike Ann Coulter. maybe it’s just the whole election thing, but I’d have a tough time deciding between a neophyte, lying, two-faced, arrogant, flip-flopping, whiner like barack and a hateful, deceitful, twisting demon like Ann Coulter
emilym…I did know another board Kostner was on…have not seen for a while now….lurking perhaps
Mj, it’s alright. I know we all have to keep going the extra mile, but a gut feeling tells me HIllary has this thing wrapped up and there will be multitudes of crying obamabi’s come wednesday
Romney won maine
Obviously, Arnold is hedging his bets. He knows with Obama/McCain he ends up with a cabinet position.
I don’t understand how Caroline and Ted Kennedy can say that Obama is like JFK?? Obama has done nothing that comes close to the achievements that JFK had. I believe that this is some sort of vendetta against the Clintons. The Clintons must have done something that Caroline and Ted bothered them and they are now seeking revenge by endorsing Obama.
I know I said I was done posting for the day, but the game isn’t that interesting right now so here goes. One of the things about BO that leaves me scratching my head is this overreliance on celebrities. I love Brangelina and reading US weekly as much as the next person but I’ve never looked to them to see who to vote for. Its like he thinks ‘Look all these famous people love me you should too’. Hillary has people like Madonna, Spielberg, and Streisand supporting her, but you don’t see her trotting these people out every 5mins. I think she has more respect for our intelligence.
we’re getting rumours of a Richardson endorsement being announced. Could this be true?
IN THE NEWS: Police continue to search for a gunman who shot and killed five women Saturday morning at a suburban Chicago strip mall, a Tinley Park police spokesman said.
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omg
that’s 30 minutes from where I live =/
and why 5 WOMEN??
Well. who is getting these rumors?
where?
Yes,rumors are circulating about Richardson endorsing Hillary tomorrow.
On the Democratic side the news was New Mexico’s Gov. Bill Richardson’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton. Having been the first Hispanic American presidential candidate, RIchardson had the potential to help Barack Obama with a constituency that has been slow to warm up to him.
But Richardson, who will watch the game with Bill Clinton Sunday night, stuck with the family that elevated him to two Cabinet-level positions in the 1990s.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18648372
Where are they coming from?
I just saw it on a report on NPR
TeamClinton08 Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Yes,rumors are circulating about Richardson endorsing Hillary tomorrow.
By whom? I mean, this could be the Obamabots setting us up.
well, maybe it’s bc of bill?
the rumors