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February 17, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Hillary Clinton Wants To Accomplish On Her Trip Overseas
10 Exchange U.S. dollars for currency that's worth something
9 Win respect defeating Japan's top-ranked sumo wrestler
8 Shift world's perception of America from "hated" to "extremely disliked"
7 Personally thank all of her illegal campaign donors
6 Three words: stylish Indonesian pantsuits
5 Visit burial site of revered Chinese military leader, General Tso
4 Get drunk with that Japanese finance minister guy
3 Convince China to switch from lead-tainted products to mercury-tainted products
2 Catch Chinese screening of Benjamin Button entitled "The Strange Adventures of Freaky Grandpa Baby"
1 Pick up carton of duty-free smokes for Obama
February 16, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Abraham lincoln Would Say If He Were Alive Today
10 "Sup?"
9 "I see Madonna's still a slut"
8 "Who's that handsome sumbitch on the five?"
7 "Is that free Grand Slam deal still going on at Denny's?"
6 "I just changed my Facebook status update to, Tthe 'ol rail splitter is chillaxing'"
5 "How do I get on 'Dancing with the Stars'?"
4 "Okay, Obama, you're from Illinois, too. We get it!"
3 "Hey Phelps, don't Bogart the weed!"
2 "What's the deal with Joaquin Phoenix?"
1 "A Broadway play? Uhhh, no thanks. I'm good."
January 28, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard at the Meeting Between Barack Obama and the Republicans
10 "I miss the Clinton administration when we'd meet at Hooters"
9 "Can we wrap this up? I've got tickets to the 4:30 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop"
8 "Smoke break!"
7 "You fellas really need to take it easy on the Old Spice"
6 "Mr. President: don't misunderestimate the Republicans"
5 "Another smoke break!"
4 "What was the deal with Aretha Franklin's hat?"
3 "About that tax the rich stuff -- you were joking, right?"
2 "Sir, it's refreshing to have a Chief Executive who speaks in complete sentences"
1 "Senator Craig's offering his stimulus package in the men's room"
January 27, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Ways Rod Blagojevich Can Improve His Image
10 Star in new television series, "America's Funniest Haircuts"
9 Quit politics and become a fat, lovable mall cop
8 Start pronouncing last name with Jerry Lewis-like "BLAGOOOYYYJEVICH"
7 Offer a senate seat with no money down, zero percent interest
6 Team up with John Malkovich and Erin Brockovich for hot Malkovich-Brockovich-Blagojevich sex tape
5 Change his name to Barod Obamavich
4 Safely land an Airbus on the Hudson River
3 I don't know...how about showing up for his impeachment trial?
2 Wear sexy dresses, high heels and say, "You Betcha!"
1 Uhhh...resign?
January 16, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Signs Obama's Getting Nervious
10 New slogan: "Yes we can... or maybe not, it's hard to say"
9 In moment of confusion, requested a $300 billion bailout from the bailout industry
8 He's up to not smoking three packs a day
7 Friends say he's looking frail, shaky and...no, that's McCain
6 He's so stressed, doctors say he's developing a Sanjay in his Gupta
5 Been walking around muttering, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?"
4 Offered Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, $100,000 to buy his old Senate seat back
3 Standing on White House roof screaming, "Save us, Superman!"
2 Sweating like Bill Clinton when Hillary comes home early
1 He demanded a recount
January 8, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Barack Obama Plans To Fix The Economy
10 Encourage tourists to throw spare change in the Grand Canyon
9 End our dependence on foreign owls
8 Sell New Mexico to Mexico
7 Put a little of that bailout money on the Ravens plus 3 at Tennessee. Come on! It's a mortal lock!
6 Rent out the moon for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs
5 Lotto our way out of this son-of-a-bitch
4 Appear on "Deal or No Deal" and hope to choose the right briefcase
3 Bail out the adult film industry -- not sure how it helps, but it can't hurt
2 Release O.J. from prison, have him steal America's money from China
1 Stop talkin' and start Obama-natin'!
January 7, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard At The Presidents' Lunch
10 "Sorry, you're not on the list, Mr. Gore"
9 "If Hillary calls, I've been here since Monday"
8 "Laura! More Mountain Dew!"
7 "You guys wanna see, 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop'?"
6 "Call the nurse -- George swallowed a napkin ring!"
5 "Hey Barack, wanna go with us to Cabo in March? Oh that's right, you have to work!"
4 "Kissey kissey"
3 "Obama? I think he's downstairs smoking a butt"
2 "Did you ever see a monkey sneezing?"
1 "I hope Clinton's unbuckling his belt because he's full"
Massachusetts poll:
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=498e2bb1-15aa-489a-b4d8-26d74886ac96&q=45558
admin, could you also post the clip of “a Clinton to clean-up after a Bush”. That is a terrific line and made everyone laugh. Thanks.
TeamClinton, for a second I thought I was first and you beat me to it.
Regardless of any personal opinion (in or outside of this blog) about this debate, I think everyone can probably agree that this event alone is not going to determine the outcome of Super Tuesday. People will probably find whatever they want through examining each candidates body of work and what each candidate offers and what they really want. I’m pretty certain that in an unstable world such as this, experience will win out. That is a win in my book and Super Tuesday is the *real* game. I think Hillary is going to be the next democratic nominee and the next President of the United States.
Disagree, Kaffen. Hill won.
MJ, *I* believe Hillary won the debate. I don’t believe the debate is going to become the sole influence in Super Tuesday (regardless of those idiot pundits or others).
holy crap, theres a positive hillary diary up on the kos recommended list!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/224553/233/114/447360
mj,
I agree with you. The advantage went to Hillary – not Obama.
Although, I do admit he did better in the debate than I expected and that he was better than normal (though the debate bar is rather low for him).
There is much talk about Iraq vote still — somebody should tell Obama hindsight is 20/20 — he did not know the value of that speech then and he has not exhibited the same conviction or fervor to set things right after that — the audacity of him to go after her again and again, but audacity is all he has. Then again that is the only trick he has.
I predict in the GE, we will be thankful she voted for it — that is one less ammunition (they can’t portray her as not hawkish enough) for the repubs in the swing states.
I didn’t watch the entire thing, so perhaps I missed Obama shining. I think he’s capable, I just think Hill won. I think it’s incredible that these are the last two standing.
He gave that speech 15 days late and stole most of it from the other anti-war folks. He sucks at originality. And sincerity.
Hillary was great. Mature, warm, commanding and focused on party unity and winning against the GOP.
BTW- there are already t-shirts, etc. with the “it takes a Clinton…” Just look online. Most are $18-26.
(Ack! New thread…carry-over from previous thread)
kaffleen: I disagree, I think that alot happened in this debate that went unnoticed. There were so many undercurrents with Hillary speaking to so many different people on so many different levels. It was a tour de force performance. I’ll go out on a limb and predict that this debate will go in the History books and be studied as a masterclass of debating skills.
We’ll see on Tuesday just how effective she was, but, man, win or lose, this woman is brilliant.
Stop bagging Hillary
Michael Costello | February 01, 2008
I HAVE watched with intense interest the rise and rise of Barack Obama over the past year. Who interested in US presidential politics (and the whole world should be, given the consequences for the globe) could not be fascinated by the young, fresh, eloquent figure who promised so much?
When Obama won the Iowa caucus, the first vote in the nominating process for presidential candidates, I watched to see how he would behave.
Would he follow Churchill’s great dictum: “In defeat defiance, in victory magnanimity.” No he did not. In victory he showed vanity and vindictiveness. Vanity in his clear belief that what the flatterers and fans were assuring him was the truth: he was a political messiah. And vindictiveness in his dismissive and arrogant treatment of Hillary Clinton in the last New Hampshire debate.
He showed the same vindictiveness and lack of magnanimity after his victory in South Carolina. The first part of his victory speech was a deeply unpleasant attack on the Clintons. No graciousness there. And how did he handle defeat in New Hampshire and Nevada? With a combination of denial, petulance and the launching of a successful campaign to persuade the American media that the Clintons were engaged in a campaign of lies about him and, even worse, in a campaign of surreptitious racism.
Let’s look at what happened.
Obama had successfully appealed in Iowa to an American yearning for change from the Bush years.
Everyone – Democrat and Republican – jumped on the change bandwagon. Clinton pointed out, however, that it’s not enough to hope and demand change; you had to be able to define what change you want and had to be able to deliver it.
Obama riposted that this failed to take account of the sort of impetus for change created by great rhetoric of the kind used by John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King. So far, so good. Normal political exchange.
Note it was Obama who introduced King into the debate, on his side. Clinton then made the obvious, and surely entirely legitimate, factual point that King’s rhetoric had certainly been the indispensable inspiration for change, but that president Lyndon Johnson’s efforts had also been indispensable in actually getting civil rights legislation through the Congress against deep opposition from parts of his own party.
The place went into meltdown. This was said to disrespect King. How could Clinton equate King to Johnson? She wasn’t: she was simply pointing out that both were necessary, one to inspire and one to deliver.
Soon her words were being construed not just as disrespect but as hidden racism. Make no mistake: Obama’s people joined in briefing the media and others extensively to create this impression.
The Clintons’ record on race in general, and King in particular, has over decades of their public life proved unimpeachable.
They have both been champions of the black cause. Yet from that moment on, the Clintons have been assailed (with obvious glee and encouragement from Republican commentators) for allegedly mounting a subliminal race campaign.
It’s a tragedy for Obama that this has happened. The consequence has been exactly what you would expect. In the Nevada caucus, blacks voted overwhelmingly for Obama and non-blacks voted overwhelmingly for Clinton. In South Carolina, the black vote was 53 per cent of the total. Obama secured 80 per cent of it. That’s the reason for his overwhelming victory there. He won only 23 per cent of the non-black vote. Contrast this to Iowa, where he won a large proportion of the white vote.
Yes, this is a tragedy, but it’s entirely his own fault for allowing his manifest shock and petulance at his defeat in New Hampshire to stop him doing the obvious thing. He should have vigorously defended the Clintons from the first moment on the racism charge. By letting it run, by allowing his operatives to encourage it, by appearing aggrieved, the very thing he has worked so hard to avoid has happened: he became “the black candidate.”
This same petulance and obvious outrage at criticism is manifest in another key example, one for which Bill Clinton is taking the blame. One of Obama’s most effective criticisms of Hillary Clinton is that she voted for the resolution authorising the Iraq war, while he not only opposed it from the start but (and this is crucially important) he had consistently opposed the war ever since. Bill Clinton expressed his frustration that this story of consistent opposition over years was a “fairytale” the media had bought into uncritically.
In fact, said Clinton, Obama in 2004 said he did not know how he would have voted on the resolution authorising the war.
Remarkably, Obama has managed to persuade the media that this was a lie by Clinton that he would correct. He hasn’t corrected it, because he can’t. The record shows that Bill Clinton was right. Obama did say that. He has not been consistent in the terms he set himself.
Now get this. Obama’s defence to saying this in 2004 is that he was supporting John Kerry for president at the time. Kerry had voted for the war and was continuing to justify his support for his vote. Obama said that he did not want to cause Kerry political embarrassment so he said that he, Obama, did not know how he would have voted.
But hold on. Isn’t this the candidate who’s about change, whose whole candidacy is based on a “different kind of politics”? Isn’t this the candidate who says the country can no longer tolerate political spin, that lying in the name of political advantage is what’s destroying the country? Yet on the very issue he identifies as the biggest moral issue facing America (the Iraq war) the issue on which he most often attacks Hillary Clinton (the original vote on the Iraq war), Obama effectively states that he was lying for political advantage.
Obama’s main claim to fame is that he’s a compelling speech-maker. Yet unlike the rhetoric of a Kennedy or King, Obama’s rhetoric seems aimless. He calls for hope, for change. Fine, but hope to do what, to change to what? He hasn’t said yet. He doesn’t seem to know. Shorn of purpose, his rhetoric seems increasingly an exercise in technique and style, “sound and fury, signifying nothing”. He says that one of the high qualities of leadership is the ability to inspire by words, and he is right. It’s a rare ability. But inspire to what end?
It’s a pity. He promised so much.
wbboei Says:
January 31st, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Realist: do you mind if I copy the email you sent to the DNC re. Michigan and Florida
You’re welcome to whatever it is I wrote and am honored that you would ask.
To the poster who in the previous thread wondered why anyone cared about the bias of these cable shows when their audience normally quite small, I’d point out their highly influential in any number of ways.
For one, the post-debate audience (CNN doesn’t have numbers out yet but expect somewhere around 10M viewers) after a major event like tonight’s debate is far greater than something like Hardball, which averages between 400,000-700,000 on a given night.
Additionally, the bits of “analysis” get picked up by radio and are played over & over the following day.
The political junkies, bloggers, as well as many of the opinion writers, are all tuned in and are shaped by what they see (and dont see), and what they hear (and dont hear.
NYCMax, you are saying the same thing carbynew and hillary4texas were saying. At some point (maybe once she clinches the nomination) I will be curious to know what you guys meant. Wow! tour de force ha? If people like me missed it, do you think she would have reached her intended audience? (I was a bit too nervous, so wasn’t listening to it with keen attention)
Watching the replay of Countdown, and here’s a Special Comment for long-winded Keith Olberman.
STFU!
I know he became a hero of sorts for lefties when he began to take on Bush & Cheney (4 years after even little kids recognized them as abysmal failures) but I never liked him, even when he was a greasy- haired David Letterman wannabe on ESPN.
And he’s proven himself untrustworthy in this campaign, that’s for sure. Night all…
The focus groups are greatly misunderstood (they’re good for researching the message but little else) but here is the CNN focus group:
I think that alot happened in this debate that went unnoticed. There were so many undercurrents with Hillary speaking to so many different people on so many different levels.
yes this is true. she talked about the general election versus mccain when she was talking about iraq. thats why she kept talking about her plan and what mccain would attack democratic candidate over. media didnt notice, they thought she was just digging a hole with not having an answer. it wasnt about that! it was about asking voters to think, what happens in the fall when gop nominee mccain attacks and says democrats are waving the white flag? who can answer that in a credible way, who can win that debate.
obama will lose big time to mccain on commander in chief issue. a few antiwar voters still want her to apologize i guess. but people also think about who can beat the republicans. obama says to mccain ‘guess what i made a speech against the war in 2002′ and mccain says ’so what and now you are going to lose it’ and then we get 4 years of president mccain.
NYCMax, yup. Good points. Lots of smart things that plucky lady does that goes over pundit heads.
Cool.
“Former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack to Campaign in Oklahoma on Behalf of Hillary Clinton
TULSA, OK Former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack will campaign for Hillary Clinton in Stillwater and Tulsa tomorrow. Governor Vilsack will tour the OSU Food & Agricultural Products Center and hold a town hall with State Regent Stuart Price in Stillwater. Governor Vilsack will then hold a meet and greet with Oklahoma State University Health Sciences students in Tulsa. ”
And Wes Clark will be here next week in Lawton. Hot damn.
By the way, I give full props to SoonerDemocrat. I know SD and give them my full support.
Love how Drudge shamelessly spins…he is hyping the Frank Luntz/Fox focus group who says Obama won the debate. I believe that every time Luntz has done a focus group (for over a year) his group has always picked Obama. What’s amusing about this is I believe he uses the same people over and over for the groups. There was some kind of scandal about this not too long ago…totally meaningless…
The CNN focus group of undecided voters (real group of voters) picked Hillary as the winner of the debate..
So happy to hear that Wes Clark will be in Oklahoma because I know they love him there!
luntz focus group after new hampshire debate showed maybe half the room came in supporting hillary, everyone thought she did awful, and they left with maybe two or three supporting hillary.
then look at what happened at the polls.
OMG OkieAtty
Lost a good-sized sip of good bourbon…Keyboard covered w/ saran though, when I eat/drink around it. Learned the hard way.
BO- “Yeah, what she said.”
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Hillary won big on experience (masterful answer which structurally alone answers the question of experience – because there is so much), health care, foreclosures, and the economy. If these issues are of top importance (and the empirical data says yes) Hillary wins.
The rest is demographics of the states and turnout organization (add absentee balloting where permitted easily).
[Her answer on immigration and the black/brown divide was genius. Hillary acknowledged that she understands the concerns on this issue from well meaning people.]
Reed, Wes carried the Lawton area and is immensely well-liked here. i heard a lot of folks yesterday in line talking about him. I think it will be a town hall type event.
OkieAtty
Priceless
One thing about Lawton- it’s a huge military base. Everything there revolves around the military and many voters are young.
good night all i really enjoyed following the debate here. i am going to have to read transcript carefully tomorrow to pick up on all the little things remarked by hillary4texas, carbynew, and nycmax. i know i heard things that pundits ignored that i thought were big issues for average voters but i missed parts too (i turned down the volume sometimes during long winded obama answers).
Thanks, Emjay! Sorry about your keyboard. I’ll have an extra tomorrow when my new PC arrives. Lemme know if you need one.
As, “that poster”, allow me to reply;
What’s your point? The numbers you quote are Nationwide, and in the debate itself, where the candidates speak directly to the electorate, Hillary excelled as usual. The chuckleheads who do the post game spin ONLY matter to political junkies and those who follow politics as sport and their viewers won’t be a TENTH of the total watching the debate. BTW, If Hardball averages 4-700,000 per night, it has to be for BOTH evening programs combined.
Ninety percent of the country has NEVER read a blog online and people tend to filter any new information they receive through the lens of their existing knowledge. Public perception IS that Hillary is smarter and more competent and that Barry is more inspirational and you can’t really change that perception, regardless of the validity of the premise; So HIGHLY influential invests the sources you cite with a disproportionate degree of influence, one that significantly overestimates the impact of opinionated hosts on marginal networks on the average non-political junkie.
The average person MIGHT read something about the debate in the paper, but most will see HIGHLIGHTS of the debate on TV. Hillary had several good sound bites and zero gaffes, hence there is nothing that the average person will see of the debate except a couple of laugh lines and Hillary’s, “It t
Takes a Clinton…”, by now FAMOUS quote. Our big, buy a pack of Newman’s Own to pop, and a bottle of your favorite beverage night is only FIVE days away and there is really nothing probable to alter the happy outcome.
can i just say on DAILYKOS a PRO Hillary diary made it to the top of RECD list. The MO is with US!!!
You weren’t the intended audience. The talking heads weren’t the intended audience.
One example: The people for whom having a President who can deliver strong Foreign Policy, were tuned into all that boring stuff she was talking about during the Iraq War segment that the Talking Heads all agree she lost. I know because Foreign Policy is important to me, and I paid close attention to what she was actually saying and she managed to change my opinion of her vote to AUMF. I’ve always sort of given her the benefit of the doubt on that issue because I agree with her position on so many other issues, but her answer this time was constructed in such a way that it built on all the details that she’s given over the campaign and just tied it up in neat package for the voters to whom it matters a great deal.
The answers on immigration were another example. Different groups view the issue from very different perspectives. I happen to be in a position where I view it from two completely different perspectives myself. She was able to speak to the issue in such a way that people on three or four opposing sides could agree that she is presenting a workable solution that addresses the basic concerns of everyone involved.
And for a lesson in the mechanics of debate, Obama showed his noobishness by insisting that John King issue a rebuttal to her point that it may well take a “Clinton to clean up after a Bush.” He whined that they cut to commercial so he couldn’t rebut, what he doesn’t understand is that they did him a favor because it was not his place to rebut. He had his opportunity to score his point on the previous softball question that was addressed to him and he didn’t. That question was addressed to her and didn’t refer to him in any way and she showed everyone how to knock one out of the park when given an opportunity.
Getting in her plug at the end really was just rubbing it in. It showed that she was so at ease with her performance that she could “waste” time on a shameless plug. And she did it without coming across as over confident or cocky. Great stuff. Hillary IS 44!
Is anyone thinking here about how endorsements might roll out? Do you think Edwards will endorse anyone? I have heard that some pundits have been saying that if he endorses he will be endorsing Hillary, do you think that is the case? Also, what is the deal with the Richardson endorsement? Bill was in NM today, as was Teddy; Obama and Teddy will be there Friday; Hillary will be there Saturday (event and location unknown at this time). So, before I was thinking since Obama was going to be there Friday Richardson was probably endorsing, but now that Hillary will be there Saturday, I am not sure…plus Obama gave Richardson that shout-out during the debate, was that a clue?
rigso, sorry to burst your bubble but BM is against us and by 5 pm they will say Precious won. That’s how they roll. Dumb fuckers.
We know the truth. Our girl is 44.
A lot of viewers must be scratching their heads tonight. After all, they have been told over and over and over for the last month that Hillary Clinton is a nasty, racist shrew. They tune into the debate and where is this Hillary they have been told about by the pundits?
TheRealist,
A sound and logical response – per usual – to unwarranted negativity that pops up from certain posters.
OkieAtty,
So true about the BM. They are pathetic and desperate to prop up Obama. *rolls eyes*
Mango, the shout-out from Precious to Richardson was an attempt to curry favor. That means he doesn’t have an endorsement and is still working every angle.
Speaking of endorsements, I think Hillary did a better job of keeping Edwards’ war on poverty in the limelight. She also knew more and demonstrated more history and awareness on it.
I was at the pre-debate rally tonight at the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles and just wanted to share how incredibly vile Obama supporters were to the Clinton supporters.
I was pushed, called names, told to get back to my union hall (I’m not even in a union). I was told what a b—- and witch Hillary was and continually had Obama supporters shove their signs in front of mine. Mayor Villaraigosa was booed by Obama supporters and they yelled out he should be ashamed of himself for supporting HRC.
I was there from 2-4:30 and saw several (personally attacking) anti Hillary signs held by Obama supporters and not even one negative Obama sign existed; let alone from any Hillary supporter.
Before our Hillary group left to go to the Kodak there was discussion about being polite to other campaign supporters. Just a reminder to HRC supporters to treat others with respect. Not that we needed such a reminder, but obviously the Obama people did.
This was just appalling and though there is nothing that we can do about it, perhaps it is a statement that the politics of hope and the notion of a different kind of politics that Obama lectures about has not reached his followers.
I am very proud of how respectful the HRC supporters were. But isn’t it ironic that this man who declares he is going to bring the nation together somehow attracts such hate filled supporters.
In over 10 years of volunteering for and supporting democrats, I have never encountered a situation like this.
NYCMax, I agree with your assessments. I made the point on the other thread that she played well to the military types and those who fled Vietnam, etc.. That’s a huge part of the SF area population and coastal areas. And it will play well in OK and TX both of which have large Asian populations.
I thought the theme of leaving no one behind and covering our allies backs to be important. It’s another way of saying her presidency will leave no one behind and that every one, every family deserves equality and respect.
Precious didn’t come close on those undercurrents.
Every time he spoke, I wanted to shout “Where’s the beef?!?”
Karen, yes. It is ironic.
My spouse unit even thought the weird Warhol knock off signs with Precious’ face were creepy. He hates Scientology, Mormonism, etc.. He just doesn’t like cults and Precious’ candidacy is shaping up more and more as a cult.
Special note to pm: In reading over my previous response to your post, the opening comes across as disrespectful and that’s not at all what I intended because I totally misread your statement. My opening doesn’t even make sense as it is written and I apologize.
NYCMax, thanks (I would go back to the transcript to look for these and others). I don’t know what AUMF is — but I was opposed to Iraq war from the start (mostly because I detested Bush and did not trust him and sort of expected what has happened would happen). But I could actually see why she did what she did (As a supporter who wants her to win, I see that her position is safe) — I would in fact go one step further and say that when they voted nobody knew how badly it would be executed. So there was a chance that it would have gone better and Saddam gone, anti-war democrats would have lost credibility for a long time.
Ya, now I see that her last answer was “whatever!” (I did think “why is she wasting time?”)
Wow, this is such an intellectual exercise and many in the media don’t/won’t want to get into it?
Karen, I’m sorry about what happened to you tonight. You are wonderful to have come to the rally and show your support.
I also want to add that I, too, think that Obama’s supporters are the most aggressive and unfriendly. Edwards supporters, the ones have I encountered, are very friendly and passionate about their candidate. This is owed to the fact that many are grassroot organization. Whenever we meet at the same event, I try to go out of my way to shake their hands and they, in turn, are gracious.
It’s usually the Obama folks who are not interested in nicety and decorum.
Karen,
I think the behavior you described comes from one campaign vilifying the other, and from the example the candidate sets for their supporters. The misrepresentations and churlish behavior began at the top of the Obama campaign. A fish rots from the head down.
Good on you for staying focused on being an American first.
I just got into a heated convo with somebody on my friendlist on yahoo messenger.Do you people see what i have to deal with now?
phrozenfurybeasts: what did you think about the debate tonight?
vanityeverlastingbonet: it was good besides the fact that ur boy obama was trying to act mature but still getting in lines here and there
vanityeverlastingbonet: so basically the same ole from him
phrozenfurybeasts: i can respect that
phrozenfurybeasts: next week hilary will be right back to the same ole crap
vanityeverlastingbonet: what crap is that ?
phrozenfurybeasts: i think its important to state the differences between the two
vanityeverlastingbonet: dear if u followed u would have known that hillary did nit do any attacks on him
phrozenfurybeasts: by crap i mean taking facts and distorting them to seem something that they are not
vanityeverlastingbonet: so stop seeing color
phrozenfurybeasts: wow
vanityeverlastingbonet: ur boy is immature
vanityeverlastingbonet: that is a fact
phrozenfurybeasts: color has nothing to do with anything
phrozenfurybeasts: at all
phrozenfurybeasts: i could care less
vanityeverlastingbonet: ur boy throws sand and gets up with mud in his face
vanityeverlastingbonet: and whines about it
vanityeverlastingbonet: so y bring it up
vanityeverlastingbonet: when u could care less about it
phrozenfurybeasts: i didnt say anything about color
phrozenfurybeasts: you said keep color out of it
vanityeverlastingbonet: yes i did
phrozenfurybeasts: i didnt say anything about it at all
phrozenfurybeasts: read the above convo
vanityeverlastingbonet: ok ur point u said that hillary start all of the attacks
vanityeverlastingbonet: when dear that is not true
phrozenfurybeasts: i said she distorts truth
phrozenfurybeasts: for example
phrozenfurybeasts: the whole slum lord things
phrozenfurybeasts: thing
vanityeverlastingbonet: u dumb idiot
phrozenfurybeasts: wow
vanityeverlastingbonet: he attacked her first
vanityeverlastingbonet: than she responded back
phrozenfurybeasts: see, conversation over
vanityeverlastingbonet: and u blks hated it that she dissed his azz back in front of his own audience
vanityeverlastingbonet: which was the blks
phrozenfurybeasts: ok
phrozenfurybeasts: have a good night
vanityeverlastingbonet: i know it sok
vanityeverlastingbonet:
vanityeverlastingbonet: u to
NYCMax, no apology necessary — in fact, I took the first line at its face value. (I figured what AUMF is
Karen, sorry to hear that — looks like the leadership in that campaign is sorely lacking.
OkieAtty
Keyboard is fine…wasn’t very clear I guess…I throw a piece of saran over it when eating or drinking. I learned the hard way.
BO= “yeah, what she said.”
A perfect word picture, just perfect.
Barack Obama for Vice President?
Not likable enough.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Notes_from_the_front_row.html
My colleague Jonathan Martin, in the theater, hears Obama apologize to an autograph seeker.
“I’m not going to be able to personalize it, because I’ve got to get out of here,” he says.
NYCMax I think that alot happened in this debate that went unnoticed. There were so many undercurrents with Hillary speaking to so many different people on so many different levels.
Yes! That’s what I saw. This was a Hollywood live audience so everything played to that. Both of them were performing with their body language etc — all that gallant helping her with her chair etc etc. Her makeup was great! Soft gracous female mode, just a few laughs. She let him off very gently, foregoing so many fun shots.
Something else I saw…. I was surprised that she went so deeply into the Iraq vote questions, and even gave her critics more ammunition by saying that she voted against a related bill because it would have given the UN to much control over US action!
Most of the questions had been pretty softball, like for a Hollywood talk show audience, and she’d been playing to the audience, giving the audience what it could absorb and react to quickly. Then suddenly her voice softened and she looked down, seeming to be thinking aloud and regretting her past mistakes. Or like McCain had suddenly sat down across from her and she was just talking for him.
As someone said a while back (David Brooks?), the Kosovo operation had recently finished very successfully, and Bush Sr had done a good job with the earlier Kuwait Gulf War. So I think the principle she brought up here is, that she still believes the US should be free to act without UN approval when necessary.
Of course she thought the possibility of Bush Jr even trying to abuse the power given him bu the AUMF was remote, much less him making such a mess of it. Her intention was to give Powell a barginaing chip to use with the UN to get them to keep trying more inspections. A big stick so Powell could speak softly.
rk1957–Costello has it exactly right and it is what I said at the time as well.
If he had come to Clinton’s defense when the racial issue arose, contolled his surrogates, fired someone for that memo, answered the press as Maxine Waters did instead of pouting and being deeply troubled then he would have proved to the world that his claim was true and that he was a leader who could transcend race.
But he could not see that far ahead. Huge mistake on his part. He then proceeded to exacerbate it by snubbing Hillary at the SUA.
NYMax she managed to change my opinion of her vote to AUMF. I’ve always sort of given her the benefit of the doubt on that issue
Catching up on earlier posts. Do look up David Brooks’ defense of her vote. Do you need more cites, similar? I”m sure I could find something at Noquarterusa.org — those are fierce ex-military intelligence people, Valerie Plume crowd.
1950Democrat – I agree a lot was going on with body language, and her “softer” demeanor today, less rigidly wonkish and more free-flowing was a good demeanor for her – suddenly, even for the naysayers, she was “likable”…I definitely think that appealed to the focus group.
This has no basis in any statistics, but just a “feel” for Californians, having lived here for over a decades, Californians especially those in Southern CA are enamored of celebrity, and are even more enamored when that celebrity lives up to their reputation and are smart, well-spoken – Clinton really hit it out of the ball-park–and the audience responded.
Another psychological dimension – watching the debate in the Kodak Theatre where the Oscars happen, seeing the cutaways to the stars, seeing the huge multi-tiered audiences in the theatre as the camera pans away to commercial has a huge psychological affect, and will likely appeal too to women.
1950 Dem: re. She was asked about the Levin Amendment–that is why she went into it. She also mentioned the Bird Amendment which she co sponsored in the same time frame which sought to limit the contingent authorization of force to one (1) year, but was rejected.
It is discouraging to hear how Obama supporters were acting, but I can’t say as though I am surprised. This is one of thethings that this election is bringing out that has been under the radar–this anomosity among different groups. It is fed by Obama’s rhetoric and tone, and by his lack of graciousness or even basic respect for Senator Clinton. Again, his behavior has largely been given a “pass” while criticisms by Senator Clinton have been used to make accusations of racism. This is shameful behavior and incredibly irresponsible. I think it needs to be called to BOs attention because, like I say, his behavior feeds this. A good leader models the behavior she expects in other people. Hillary has always does this. Walking over to shake hands with Ted the other day was a perfect example. Barack turning his back on Hillary is a case in point for the disrespect he demonstrates and therefore promotes in his followers. I was less than impressed with the giant signs of his image on them. Some were reminiscent of posters that were from the 60’s (I remember one of Che Guevera) where the face of the “hero” took up the whole poster. I thought immediately of the narcissism and hero worship and tried to recall if we’d ever had a candidate for a major race that used this kind of display. On the other hand, it is something I’ve seen in other countries (some other countries). All I could think was hero worship and even “birth of a dictator.” All this talk of unity starts making one nervous when he’s never said what we would unite around or how we would become united. IF the behavior of his fans is his idea of unity I really don’t want any part of it.
I wish when people go to events where Obama supporters will be out in force, you would all carry cameras and get them on tape! That would be very useful for our side to use in ads etc. Show what their ‘unity’ and ‘courtesty’ really amounts to.
Video with sound would be ideal
Karen,
First, I am sorry that happened to you.
We ran into the same kind of behavior at the Harkin Steak Fry and JJ Dinner in Iowa, long before the caucus. It is almost as if the candidate, or the campaign organization, attracts young testosterone-loaded young men and at their rah-rah pre-event meetings, they throw them power drinks along with raw meat and emotionally loaded anti-Edwards/Clinton/Richardson/Biden/Kucinich chants, and set them loose on the public.
There are many, many antecdotal tales about Obama young people like that in this state. It’s going to be a cold day in Iowa before Mr. Obama is invited to anything other than an amorphous, short quick-stop rally around these parts, except maybe one university (sorry, Hawk.)
And that comes from some people who would do the inviting and planning.
Talking to other people, the conclusion is either he didn’t realize his young staff needed more supervision than they got, or he personally has a dismissive attitude about other people who are not loyal to him and it filters down through his staff and volunteers. As time has gone on since January 3rd, much of the opinion has shifted to the latter option.
Politics is hardball, but it’s not kick-em-in-the-groin warfare.
Too bad that sour tastes linger longer than any other flavor.
I am so sorry to hear you go thru that.I am sure you was called the Cr-word also.But what do you expect from those people?I would not be shocked if these people riot if Obama don’t get the ticket.
did all of you see the pic on the homepage of CNN – Obama holding the chair for Clinton – blech! – obviously compensating for The Snub, and knowing that women are watching his behavior.
As I said, Hillary has never disappointed me.
hearing reports of Ann Coulter saying she’d vote for Hillary over McCain. yikes – throw that one back in the pond.
karen, Vanity4, Molly, the Obama supporters are behaving in real life exactly the way they behave online, boorish, rude, and churlish.
Ininla, Obama holding Clinton’s chair subtly conveys Clinton is the boss, she is in charge.
Lordy, I can’t believe so many of us were tapping away on the same topic til I hit “submit.”
I would venture to say that Senator Obama has a small PR problem on his hands.
Right On Molly.
If you go to the Teamster General Hqtrs in Washington DC, beyond security, down a long aisle, past the lifesized paintings of the past general presidents you will find an old sign that reads: “An attack on one is an injury to all”.
All women should be aware of that when it comes to Saint Obama and his merry band of followers. Some cell phones have cameras.
AWESOME performance tonight by our heroine. Incredibly articulate and persuasive.
If there are any DKooks users, please recommend Alegre’s diary (it’s on the rec list — let’s keep it up there!)
Hillary won this debate and I feel that this would have an impact on the Super Tuesday States.
I take back everything I have said about Fox news being more balanced in their coverage of Hillary. They can kiss my
F**KING ASS!!
Go to http://www.foxnews.com/ and click on the link on the left and read the article
Clinton Took Money from Indicted Obama Backer
How much more misleading can that headline be!!!!!!!
carbynew Says: I’m not going to talk about the traps, because so many anti Hillary haters come to this site, that Obama fell into but anybody from Western states saw them and saw Obama falling in them.
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I hope youre right. I felt stuff going on under the surface, and HIllary kept looking smug. But did Hillary set the traps? Surely the moderators didn’t.
i ont think gore will endorse yet-but here is his contact info. shoot an email orsomething encouraging him to remain nuetral. Vice President Al Gore
2100 West End Avenue, Suite 620
Nashville, TN 37203
615-327-2227
info@carthagegroup.com
Guys,
Could some one give us an analysis of the truce.
Me, I like things like this. When kids stop fighting is when it pleases me not when they start it.
The narrative that Hillary served on WalMart board and never spoke up for unions is a complete red herring.
First, as a board member she had a number of issues, and most people are smart enough to know that not eveything gets done at once,
Second, suppose Hillary had advocated the union position. How many Board members do you think would have voted in favor of that position when Sam Walton was on record opposing it?
Third, she elected to press other social issues like womens rights and environmental initiatives, where progress was possible.
Fourth, she has many unions that already support her. I have an old list of them, and the nurses union has endorsed recently.
Fifth, she represents a large union friendly state, supports labor friendly legislation, advocates smart trade policies, middle class agenda, etc.
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good post on why the debate was good for hillary-
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/1/1255/70588
Realist at 12:45: thanks very much!
NYCMax was 100% correct about the multi-message communication strategy going on in the deabte by our gal. She was also setting herself up for future talking points, btw. I too appreciated her AUWMD argument. Cogent, and I too changed my mind a little.
Someone said they did not buy into NYCMax’s argument. I say, look at what HRC was wearing and then click this:
http://www.hillarystore.com/store/HC1013.html
Given, that is the best selling item, most likely worn by hundreds of female supporters tonight at debate parties. What do you think about our girls multi-pronged communication strategy now?
wow KyMkt
Pretty astute, and eagle-eyed to boot.
Texan at 4:00 that talk left blog by big tent is very, very perceptive. It tells why this was a good debate for our heroine. This level of analysis is worthy of a good jury consultant.
I expect that is why she let Barack have the last word on the judgment issue relative to Iraq. If she had made the same points Bill did in response, it would have undermined what she was primarily interested in accomplishing tonight.
Strategy trumps tactics.
She makes these decisions at lighting speed. Big Tent figured it out faster than I did. Poor Josh iis 10 furlongs back with on this one.
I went to a luncheon at the Catholic Seaman’s Club today in my town. This is a monthly event for people involved in the Pacific Northwest maritime industry. Couple hundred attended.
I was very pleased to see them raffling off Hillary tee shirts which were donated by Machinists, but a bit disappointed my own number was not called. I have had a Hillary bumper sticker on my car since the day she announced, but I see very few Hillary or Obama stickers in general. Mostly I see Kerry or Bush stickers. Like the Navy–always fighing the last war.
Gore knows nomination is very key and will probably wait until the two candidates are selected and then pick one of them.
One thing I saw in this debate is judging by the audience everyone can see that Hillary is dump on in the media. When she said she has RFK’s kids supporting people cheered partly because its a good endorsement she has had for a while and partly because they knew that all this attention was being thrown Obama’s way saying he is the Next Kennedy and Hillary says in a subtle way, well no they do not all support him. When Wolf suggested Hillary was naive there was a huge blowback on Wolf for that they booed like crazy and Hillary let them which I thought was great. There were other times when I thought the audience is with her here because how unfair of treatment she has been receiving and they are showing her support. America knows.
RISE HILL
somebody just wrote this crap to me.How he get a poll that come after the debates after one day
A recent poll has Obama taking the lead in Alabama, which isn’t surprising since it has a large black population:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20…rimary-281.html
Black voters in Alabama drifting from Clinton’s to Obama’s camp
http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/inde….xml&coll=2
Good Mornning!!
Good night last night!!! I am now energized to go into TT, also looking foward to the new poll numbers that will be coming out today and tomorrow. If we can get through today without Richardson endorsing anyone (BHO in NM today) I will feel even better. Now my last opinion, let’s see what HRC financial numbers are…. no matter what BHO raises, it all comes down to money in the bank, as I have said , this is a long primary season,(longer than both thought it would be), money is and momentum is the key to winning (capturing as meany 24hr. news cycles)!!!!!
New Chicago Tribune article. Maytag workers union in Illinois throws support to Clinton. I would think this could have an impact in the Illlinois primary.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-galesburg_obama_webfeb01,1,900662.story?ctrack=2&cset=true
Good morning, Hillfans. What – a – debate !! Shockingingly terrific !! Wolf almost got his Pumpkinhead moment but Hillary grabbed that booger and threw it right back in his face. He’ll never live that one down … I can see the YouTube replays racking up.
Lot’s of Rezko-related news this morning and I got an email/comment (yes, I opened comments but they are strictly moderated to keep Rezbamabots and Hillhaters out) from a blogger in Rezkoville. This could start to get interesting. We’ll see.
ArchPundit makes the point that everyday is going to be Rezbama day once the trial starts on 3/3. Rezbama may have explained his house/vacant yard situation to some people’s satisfaction but the fact that he “finds” more campaign contributions in dribs and drabs is a mistake. Anyhow, lots of interesting news.
The first thing when I wake up and turn on the television is “Morning Joe” with Scarborough & Co. trying to put doubts in people’s minds about Clinton. Will the trashing never end? They don’t say a SINGLE bad word about Obama. This is seriously white guilt at its finest. They don’t have one critical thing to say about his performance. Unbelievable.
The thing I like most about the debate is that MSNBC and the MSM were just waiting for something to happen in the debate that they could use to flog Hillary in the days before Feb 5 and it didn’t happen. I think she threw them off their game with her perfomance. She showed herself to be intelligent, likeable and presidential. I wish Feb. 5 would get here sooner….
HEHS – Playmate Mika did try to temper some of Joe’s comments and appeared more pro-Hillary than I have seen in the past. Joe absolutely slams on McCain now, supporting what I’ve always said that Romney is the Repug “machine” candidate since he was “the one” chosen by the Legacy group.
HEHS, I think Scarborough et all are frustrated that they have nothing big to bash Hillary with…they will keep up their usual Obama fest and keep trying to belittle Hillary no matter what…it’s just making them look foolish and biased (which they are)….
I am not trying to be negative, I think we need to expect Richardson to endorse BO. which would be a disapointment.
Clinton schedule for today…..
*all times Eastern
Friday, February 1
11:30 am
Bill Clinton holds a “Solutions for America” rally for Hillary Clinton at the University of Arkansas in Pine Bluff
2:00 pm
Bill Clinton holds a “Solutions for America” rally for Hillary Clinton in Texarkana, Arkansas
4:30 pm
Hillary Clinton attends a “Solutions for America” town hall at San Diego State University in California
6:15 pm
Bill Clinton holds a “Solutions for America” rally for Hillary Clinton in Kennesaw State University in Georgia
8:45 pm
Hillary Clinton attends a “Solutions for America” rally in San Jose, California
11:00 pm
Hillary Clinton attends a low-dollar fundraiser at Orpheum Theater in San Francisco, California
iF Richardson ends up supporting Barack, I am going to tell relatives in New mexico to vote him outta politics.
Hillary will be the ready on Day 1 and a great success.
One of Barack Obama’s argument is, it’s essential to get it right on the First Day.
But he couldn’t possibly be the one to tout on Judgement when he himself have avoided making judgements himself by voting for “Present” for more than a hundred legislation.
This is someone who cannot vote for “Yes” or “No” and this lack of courage is certainly not someone experienced enough to lead on the First Day!
So what exactly is Big media complaining about Hillary?
Is she too seasoned?
Or is she too naive?
Can they make up their mind about which mid to sling?
“It did take a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush and I think it might take another one to clean up after the second Bush.”
That’s real CHANGE!
I’ve thought more about a Clinton/Obama ticket since last night. I’ve said many times before that I do not like him. He is very arrogant and he jumped in the race too soon for his or our own good. But despite my feelings, he has potential and a VP slot would be perfect for him since the job basically entails doing very little. He can build experience in the White House, give his sermons across the country, and run for office in 2012 with actual experience. Not to say that I would even vote for him then but the Clinton/Obama ticket would be a winning ticket for sure and it would appease African American, youth voters, and bring in the independents who love Obama but hate Hillary.
Hillary needs to beat Obama first. If she doesn’t it will be a disaster. I don’t think I can put up with the next 10 months of Obama people rubbing it in our faces and someone as capable and smart as Hillary does not belong in the VP position. I think Obama would be more likely to hand all of the paper work to his administration (who will probably be comprised of a lot of former Clinton people anyway) and something like another 9/11 terrorist attack will be more likely under another president who actually doesn’t read the memos and shit that are given to him.
I think Hillary’s choices will be Obama or Senator Jim Webb from Virginia. I personally want Jim Webb over Obama. Webb is also more capable and would help with the southern white vote. But I think picking Obama is just something that might have to be done in order to make history and give the African American community a reason to come out and vote. There is a lot of pride for him in that community and there could be some irreparable damage especially after the drama that occurred in South Carolina. Many blacks no longer like Bill Clinton for his Jesse Jackson comment so convincing them to vote for Hillary might be difficult to do.
Also, our favorite blog has a few updates:
http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/
admin or anyone, can you please post the part in the debate where Hillary said it takes a Clinton to clean Bush’s mess or something to that effect. Thanks…
which matters more the regular delegates or the super delegates?
Vanity4hillary: IMO I think they both matter the same.
Who is Matthew Costello?? That was a stunningly good article.
As for Obama supporters, those of us with caucuses can agree about their behaviour. Makes me very fed up when they keep talking about “inspiration” and then are inspired to be aggressive and rude.
A scathing indictment of Obama’s judgment in Salon today. One word: Rezko!
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Obama’s dealings with his hinky friend have never led him afoul of the law, but they show that, despite his high-minded politics, he was no purer — or no savvier — than Illinois’ biggest hacks in his weakness for a generous contributor. He wouldn’t even say no when Rezko cooked up a deal to help the newly elected senator buy a gracious Georgian-revival home.
Rezko, after all, built part of his fortune by exploiting the black community that Obama had served in the state Senate, and by milking government programs meant to benefit black-owned businesses. But Obama took Rezko’s money even after the businessman was sued by the city of Chicago for failing to heat his low-income apartments, and even after Rezko was caught using a black business partner to obtain a minority set-aside for a fast-food franchise at O’Hare Airport.
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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/02/01/rezko/
Here’s the clip of the ‘Clinton to clean up a Bush’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjHnyfmHWU
Good news for Arizona/New Mexico.
Navajo president endorses Clinton:
news.rgj.com//apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS18/80131051
Michael Costello’s article can be found in the Australian:
theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23140008-7583,00.html
Of course an American journalist would never be so critical on Obama.
I’ve heard and read the same thing about Obama supporters. I guess that is more expected among young college-aged people to be more passionate and militant about their candidate than older people. It’s still not an excuse. I heard from people who went to Iowa to caucus that their behavior was the reason for his win. Caucuses make no sense to me. I’ve never participated in one so does it make sense that people are bargaining for lawn mowers and favors for votes? This is why Obama is putting most of his hope in states holding caucuses.
HEHS, Don’t you mean 2016??
NYCMAX–loced your comment re HRC debate performance–she was speaking to many on defferent levels–case in point..my younger bro eho was a BHO leaner really latched on to the immigration comment…he says it does affect those AA in LA. being aa , he says it affects not just AAs but Mexamericans as well. he has experienced it. My older bro is retired militaty as is concerned re foreign policy. he thinks people who believe we can just pull out of iraq are just feeding the base..he focused in on what HRC said about that and was really impressed,but, then you have people like my bro in law–he was impressed by HRC last night. Said he would’t mind her being president at all, BUT, he has to go with the “brotha”—whatever…….my sister called me later to inform me that my b-i-l is not registered to vote…he thinks he can regoster at the site on 2/5. i started layghing bevause in CA the last day to register was…..1/22 hah, we both had a good laygh about that..said she was gonna tell him when she got off the phone..
Yes, I meant 2016. I don’t even think I would vote for him in 2016. He rubs me the wrong way.
This didn’t come up when I entered the web address earlier but our favorite blog has a few new posts:
anglachelg.blogspot.com
Now this is interesting (more from Salon):
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The sale [the first real estate deal where Obama get the house and Rezko the yard] was brokered by real estate agent Donna Schwan, who’d known Rezko when he lived in the neighborhood. Asked who approached her about the house, Schwan told Salon, “I honestly don’t remember. Tony Rezko lived across the street, so he’d been interested in the lot.”
Last year, Rezko sold the vacant lot to his attorney, Michael Sreenan, who is now peddling it for $950,000. A “Land for Sale” sign rises above the fenced lot, which is hidden by fir trees. Schwan is handling that deal, too. Since Tuesday, when the property was featured in an NBC report, she’s received more than 100 phone calls. Living next door to Obama is a great amenity, she insists. His house is protected by the Secret Service — their SUVs idle in the street and under the basketball hoop in the driveway. “No Stopping/No Standing” signs bar visitors from parking out front, even though there’s a synagogue directly across the street.
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Whoa! $950,000!!! That’s the $625,000 yard lot minus the Obama $104,500 strip.
What Rezko bought for ($625,000 – $104,500 = $520,500) is now being “peddled” for $950,000.
Seems like something was in it for ole’Rezko as well…
NY times has beautiful video On the road with Hillary Clinton on their website.
anbritt: Many of my friends have the same excuse. They are voting for Obama because he is a brother. They were also offended by Bill Clinton’s comments in South Carolina which I don’t think were racist but whatever. I guess I can’t blame them. Who knows when we’ll have another black person come this close to winning the presidency. Obama is someone black males can look up to and aspire to become someday. I do not vote based on my race or I’d be voting for Obama too. Hillary being a woman is just a plus for me but it’s not my main reason.
Also, I have a feeling that many Obama supporters aren’t registered to vote. It is a fact that young people and blacks are less likely to vote and are not aware of the registration deadlines. I had friends like that in the 2004 election who could not vote for Kerry because they had never voted before and did not know the process.
And Salon’s conclusion is just plain beautiful:
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Obama knew about Rezko’s legal problems, but Merriner believes he didn’t think they would taint his Senator Galahad image.
“It goes back to when Obama’s in the state Senate,” Merriner says. “He had a real sense of personal mission. I think he thought he was just above it. He seemed to think he was on a plane above that.”
If you’ve been to Chicago, you know it’s a pretty flat place. And if you follow Chicago politics, you know that even the noblest politician can’t remain chaste.
“The national media, they tend to overlook that Obama is a regular Cook County Democrat,” Merriner says. “Maybe he’s a cut above, but he’s still an Illinois politician.”
As long as Rezko was only under investigation, Obama was willing to do business with him. But then Rezko committed the fixer’s biggest sin: He got indicted and got his name in the papers. After that, the friendship cooled. Obama has donated $157,835 in Rezko-linked contributions to charity and has called the real estate deal “boneheaded.” But he still lives in the house. And he still has the power Rezko helped him attain.
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rjk1957 Stop bagging Hillary
Very nice article – you can’t put it any better
NYTimes
Women Voters Make Their Case
Interviews with dozens of women across New York — a crucial bloc in the Democratic primary — show that many are bringing an intense, almost visceral connection to the election, according to an article by Anemona Hartocollis. How women vote will be critical in a state with one of the biggest delegate prizes on Super Tuesday since they represent 55 percent of registered Democrats statewide and 60 percent in the city. A statewide poll released last week showed Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton ahead among all women, though black women strongly favored Senator Barack Obama. But black women were also more likely to be undecided than most other groups.
mollyjrichards
if you want to hear how Obama supporters act in forums and blogs – trust me it is not pretty. I am trying my best for 2 months now to fight against them as much as I can. It is on the
skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=564749
my name is the same there. I think you need to register.
HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter
the most funny part Bill Didin’t say anything racist and Hillary didn’t do anything as well – it was spinned by this congressmen from SC and Obama campaign
kaffeen: It makes sense for women to vote for Hillary Clinton. As I said before, I am voting for Hillary because she is the most qualified and capable, she’s extremely intelligent, and the fact that she’s a woman is a huge plus. Most women who vote for her feel the same way. I think most women wouldn’t vote for just any woman but in this case Hillary has everything most progressive women are looking for in a president.
Race usually trumps gender though. Especially within certain ethnic communities. I think it’s hard to generalize and I’m usually against networks like CNN spending an hour on race and gender in this election. The issues should be the main concern for voters followed by race and gender preferences. I think for the black community, we’ve been waiting so long for a black person to become president that I realize it is a no brainer for most blacks to pick Obama. I think blacks also feel the pressure to support him. I along with my black friends who support Clinton are in a somewhat awkward position. When I came out in support for Clinton after she lost the Iowa caucus, a black male friend of mine asked me why I “hated Obama”. He just assumed that I hated Obama because as a black person I should naturally want to vote for him. It’s a touchy subject and it is difficult to admit that race and gender might be the most important reason for many people over who they really think is the best candidate for the job.
The GOP is beginning to hedge their bets. They are trying to find any associate of the Hillary campaign (regardless of how indirect) associated with Rezko. Evidently, the LA mayor is one of those. Still, you’ve got to wonder, if they are working so hard to find Rezko people, can you imagine what is going to happen in the GE? Rezko, if applicable, particularly with Obama, will crush his candidacy. The GOP was trying to engineer this to their favor, I don’t think it will happen. If we could get some hands on those files, Obama would be dead in the water.
Highly, very nice post
Obama is for once, totally out of character, holding a press conference in San Francisco in about an hour or so (at 11 am ET). Anyone thinks he’ll get a Rezko question or two – or will it be just the usual suck up from Big Media?
DemAC, if he gets a Rezko question, the adoring media will probably phrase it in such a way that it will be like a setup for a volleyball slam. They make everything so easy for him.
Hillary will be on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. John Mccain will also be a guest.
demAC, Is he announcing an endorsement??
kaffeen,
You’re right I guess…
CD99,
I haven’t got a clue. But press availabilities is not his usual MO.
“Head to Head, Clinton, Obama Shelve Rancor” (Dan Balz and Anne Kornblut, Washington Post) Even if it wasn’t the smackdown many had hoped for, the Clinton-Obama one-on-one was still a spirited debate, as each sought to clearly emphasize their own strengths and differences and point out the other’s weaknesses. Between them, a general target was the Republicans and both got off their best lines of the night attacking the other side. But did Obama do enough to overcome Hillary’s Feb. 5 lead in the polls? Didn’t look like it.
HEHS–i am running into the same issues with friends..i support HRC because i believe she is best for th job….my friends assume i hate BHO, ONE EVEN CALLED ME A RACE HATER!? the debate showed a couple people some things but they are now torn between the two.. you are right, race does trump gender everytime. i asked one friend–do you really think you are voting for the best person—her response-does not matter because he won’t win anyway, im just trying to help him out! you will never change the minds of a person like this, so i don’t try.
Obama’s contributions for the year came to $102 million.
Hillary Clinton’s end-of-the-year finance report filed before Thursday night’s deadline shows she raised $26.5 million in individual contributions during the final three months of 2007 and $107 million for the entire year.
Though Hillary Clinton has not accepted any money form Antoin “Tony” Rezko, her national presidential campaign co-chair, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, accepted at least $7,500 in political donations from the man that Clinton called a “slum landlord.” Rezko’s trial for fraud has been delayed one week because of the voluminous evidence and complex legal preparations required by Rezko’s attorneys. (AP, Chicago Tribune)
Admin..
Could you please post the CNN Immigration segment please?
The CNN debate video seems to have a crucial piece of Hillary’s response missing from their site. Something nefarious seems to be underfoot.
Thanks,
Mrs. S.
The American Nurses Association Endorses Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
SILVER SPRING, Md., Feb. 1 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The Clinton
Campaign today announced the endorsement of the American Nurses Association
(ANA). The ANA represents the interests of the nation’s 2.9 million
registered nurses.
Mrs. S. NYTimes has a transcript and the video of the whole debate.
The transcript of the debate is here, for those who would rather read it:
transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/31/se.01.html
Maytag Chicago Union endorses Clinton, says Obama never did anything:
from the chicago tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/polit ics/chi-galesburg_obama_webfeb01,1,90066 2.story?ctrack=2&cset=true
The Najavo Nation has endorsed Hillary. Ap article out there right no
news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080201/ap_ca/on_the2008_trailw:
Thanks-
You’ve got to hear the BS Wedge Issue Rachael Maddow is creating with the Immigration issue from last night’s debate.. I don’t believe Hillary ever said or meant what Maddow is saying..
Please listen:
youtube.com/watch?v=XLiiIuhbjwE
Mrs. S.
OMG – someone on Taylor Marsh just talked about Obama’s campaign offering
“Hope and Changiness”
ROTFLMAO! For those who love Stephen Colbert’s take on “truthiness”, that is TOO hilarious! I am stealing it. Changiness. LOL!
Thanks..
I’ve posted the Maddow video with Pat Robertson. Please listen when the link comes up..It’s really important… Maddow outright lies about Hillary creating a racial divide between Hispanics and Blacks in the Immigration segment. I’ll check the NYT and see if it’s there. Hillary’s response in it’s entirety was mysteriously missing from the CNN
version of the Immigration question..
Maddow is doing this to undermine Hillary’s support for Super T..
Mrs. S.
What do you think Hillary told BO at the end of the debate when they hugged?
Someone posted this on MSNBC’s First Read. I won’t say who…:)
Chuckles and Co. are in high gear, doing everything that a marginal cable news network and a cadre of dedicated flaks can do to influence the outcome of the primary season. The first hour was EVEN (Read: that Hillary cleaned Barry’s clock) while Iraq, “tipped”, the scales in his favor.
Not according to the undecideds at CNN, not by far according to their, “people meters”, and more importantly, with those around the country trying to decide who can and who should lead this nation out of the wilderness in Jan. 2009.
When it comes to the economy (stupid) and health care, Barry is still in the wilderness, and didn’t show that he had a compass or could fend for himself, let alone for America. His best defense of the tissue thin policies he unconvincingly presented was, “Ted Kennedy said…”, as though the invocation of his name was somehow going to magically hypnotize the electorate and hide the holes in his resume, proposals and debating skill.
Tuesday will be a shock to Chuck(les) and Co. They will preside over the evening with hollow eyes and downcast countenances as they are forced to project Hillary’s smiling visage with, “Clinton wins”, in state after state after state.
They will scramble to explain why their constant drumbeat against her and their daily shameless promotion of Barry failed to produce the scripted outcome. They’ll trot out the Bradley effect again, act surprised at the sheer number of women who come out all across the country, 60% of whom vote for Hillary.
They’ll be amazed that the demographics of the evening so closely resemble the, “meaningless Beauty contest”, in FL and scratch their collective heads in perplexity that the record turnouts didn’t favor their choice.
They’ll be holding out hope by reminding everyone that the delegate take is proportional, and NO ONE will gain a sufficient number to claim the nomination that night, that even though Barry finished SECOND (they won’t say he lost) he still gets delegates. They will start talking up the next primary dates long before the final results are tallied, because they will be stuck covering a story that they didn’t want.
After defeating Barry and the combined forces of Big Media, despite the most concerted effort against a candidate in American journalistic history, defeating the pro-war, anti-choice republican will be like a walk in the park.
Just a little something, I am a software developer. I develop software for a national and international POMIS (Physician Operating Management Information System). That is code for Electronic Health Records. As someone who has been doing this for over 10 years, I can tell you, from personal experience, all of Hillary’s Health Care package can be paid for by EMR (Electronic Medical Records). She mentioned last night, 55 billion saved by this. That is a very conservative figure. Also, as a Health Care insider, I guarantee you Obama’s Health Care plan will not work. Single Payer is just not going to happen folks. The insurance companies are way too powerful to let that happen. It is a pipe dream. Just like alot of Bambi’s fuzzy tomorrow’s. We need someone realistic to make Universal Health Care a reality. This is my passion. Hillary is the only one who can make it happen.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny–nyprimary-firefig0131jan31,0,913060.story
NY state firefighters endorse Clinton
2:27 PM EST, January 31, 2008
ALBANY, N.Y. – New York state’s uniformed firefighters are endorsing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for president.
The New York State Professional Fire Fighters Association, which represents 25,000 members statewide, says the Democrat has fought for firefighters during her time in Washington.
Association President Charles Morello says the group considers Clinton their hero.
Among other measures, Clinton co-sponsored a law that provides health monitoring for firefighters and other first responders in the event of terror attacks or natural disasters.
Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
For us poll freaks, here is a good site. It was updated today and shows and estimated delegate count after 2/5. It still had JE in the caculation.
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/state-polls.html
dot48, that is WONDERFUl about the Navajo nation endorsement.
Amen, Realist. Amen.
TheRealist,
A very good comment by that anonymous commenter.
I don’t think I’ll watch Tuesday night, as you’ve wrapped it up nicely anyway. I’ll hang out here instead.
Overheard In The Spin Room: Hillary Clinton Edition
by Todd Beeton, Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 10:59:51 PM EST
From Congresswoman Maxine Waters, a Clinton supporter:
People in my district have a lot of hope. They go to bed hungry, they have trouble heating their homes but they have a lot of hope that things will get better. They don’t need more hope, they need help.
Dang.
From California House Speaker Fabian Nunez, a Clinton supporter:
The issue of race is simply not an issue [for the latino community.] Latinos favor Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama not because he’s black and she’s white but because they’re familiar with her and remember that the Clintons brought home the bacon for the latino community.
Mrs. S, another post here (I think NYCMax) called her response genius — I don’t understand the intricacies of it but I would accept that characterization.
Rachel Maddow’s comments were unfortunate. It’s a shame. I like her a lot (well, not as much as I used to). She has a blog on Air America that she and her people read. You guys should go over there and make your thoughts about her immigration comments known.
Gulp. Ann Coulter says she is going to campaign for Hillary if McCain wins the republican nomination.
The View is on. EH is bagging on Hillary again in their discussion of can Hillary control Bill. WTE.
Any idea what BO is gong to say at his news confrence??
Kaffeen, Anthrax Coulter hates McCain. Besides, she and her Adam’s apple are a joke.
Whoopie is doing a great job defending Hillary.
JAS, yes, “I have a dream”.
rachel m is now an official msnbc analyst…i saw the change in her a while back…
JAS, “hope and changiness.”
JAS, and, “Yeah, what she said.”
If CNN is deliberately missing parts of transcripts, we should call out on them
great news about the Navajo Nation. I see a lot of support in the Native American communities for Hillary here in red earth country.
yes, be sure about the transcripts and we should start calling the corrupt news network. give me a phone number
…In Murray Hill, It’s ‘Latinos for Hillary’
cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/in-murray-hill-latinos-for-hillary-mingle/
dot, yeah. So did I. I’ve been listening to Rachel since 2005, but since the race started heating up, the folks at Air America seem to have taken sides and I sort of drifted in and out.
I still like and respect her – this comes from 2 years of being a fan – but as of late, I just haven’t been tuning in. Anyone who goes negative on Hillary just loses me.
Obama has uphill climb to win Latino votes in California
CLINTON ENJOYS BIG LEAD AMONG KEY GROUP
By Julia Prodis Sulek
Mercury News
Article Launched: 02/01/2008 01:37:12 AM PST
LOS ANGELES – King Taco on Cesar Chavez Avenue, across from the tattoo parlor and pawn shop, is Hillary Clinton country.
As first lady, she met with locals at a church a couple blocks down the street. As presidential candidate, she stopped in for a taco last month. And while Spanish is the language of this street, nearly all know what Clinton means.
“When I talk to my friends, we all say we’re going to vote for her,” said Sal Arciga, a 25-year-old phone operator having a carne asada burrito a table away from where the senator from New York sat.
What does he think about Barack Obama, running against Clinton for the Democratic nomination?
“O-who?” he asked, putting his burrito down, thinking about it. “I think he needs to come and eat here.”
And that’s essentially what Obama will have to do if he expects to break the Clinton stronghold on the huge and influential Latino vote here in California. He’s got five days to do it, and he made an dramatic attempt Thursday with a rally at a Los Angeles trade college just hours before the final Democratic debate before Tuesday’s primary. The event was billed as an outreach to Latino voters.
The only glitch? Most of the crowd was black.
“Sí se puede!” Obama shouted out to the crowd filling the campus plaza. “Yes we can!”
When the crowd responded to the Latino rallying cry, they did so in English.
Obama, a senator from Illinois, has a lot of work to do
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in five days.
An appearance today at East Los Angeles College by Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts – whose endorsement of Obama has been viewed as a help to the campaign’s Latino outreach effort – is expected to be more on target.
The Latino vote is critical for Obama if he is to beat front-runner Clinton in the California primary on Super Tuesday, when more than 20 states will hold party contests. A quarter of Tuesday’s Democratic primary voters will likely be Latino. Two-thirds of the state’s Latino voters live in Southern California, and more than 60 percent are registered Democrats.
The Obama campaign boasts that it launched the first Spanish-language TV ad, and for the past three months he has been sending foot soldiers into L.A.’s Latino neighborhoods with bilingual campaign fliers. This week, the campaign opened a field office in heavily Latino East Los Angeles. And when Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts comes to San Jose on Saturday to stump for Obama, he will do it at the Mexican Heritage Plaza.
But so far, Obama has been losing California Latinos to Clinton by a 3-to-1 ratio, the latest California Field Poll shows.
“It’s not necessarily a negative view of Obama that’s preventing him from winning it,” said Mark DiCamillo of California’s Field Poll. “It’s that Hillary is already family.”
Some say, however, a hostile undercurrent between some Latinos and blacks – especially in urban Los Angeles – is yet another hurdle for Obama.
Carmelo Garcia, a 20-year-old student in the crowd at the trade college Thursday, acknowledged those resentments between the two groups. He experiences them routinely, he said, in name-calling alone. Watching Obama deliver his “Sí se puede” speech in front of mostly blacks, “I worry that he might give a little bit more to the black people instead of the Latino community.”
While he appreciated Obama’s message Thursday of unity and shared struggle among all races, he’s still voting for Clinton – a name spoken in his house since childhood. With that loyalty, he said, “I wasn’t even paying attention to Barack Obama.”
Dolores Huerta, 77-year-old co-founder with the late and legendary Cesar Chavez of the United Farm Workers union, is not worried. She is confident the Latino voters will stay with Clinton.
Obama, she said, “doesn’t really have a relationship with the Latino community.” His use of the term “sí se puede” in speeches and on campaign signs handed out at Thursday’s rally is just a “little shortcut” for Obama to make inroads.
Inroads she believes are dead ends.
She pointed out that while Obama earned the endorsement of the heavily Latino Culinary Workers Union in Nevada, many of the dishwashers and cooks defected to Clinton and created for themselves a term of endearment: “Los Hillarios.” It’s quite a tribute to Clinton, who had trouble pronouncing “sí se puede” at a Salinas rally last week with the United Farm Workers. And Clinton scored perhaps the biggest prize. She was in Salinas – to accept the endorsement of the United Farm Workers – where the slogan began.
At the Obama headquarters in Los Angeles, where handpainted signs that say “Sí se puede” are taped to the walls, one of Obama’s chief Latino endorsers acknowledges the challenge.
“There’s no doubt it’s uphill politically,” said Maria Elena Durazo, the executive secretary of the Los Angeles Federation of Workers, which represents 80,000 workers.
What matters to Durazo, and to Latinos like her, she said, is “character and roots.”
“He’s the son of an immigrant and single mother,” she said of his father’s Kenyan roots and his mother’s Kansas upbringing. “He went through and felt what it’s like for people without work every day. Being of mixed ethnic family, he had a taste of the bias people have and how that can hurt someone’s opportunities.”
Obama had great prospects after college, she said, “but he chose to be a community organizer for mostly people of color. When we tell the Senator Obama story, it fits.”
The campaign just needs to spread that story effectively – and fast.
He still has a few days to grab a taco.
filbertsf: I agree. I am disappointed that Rachel Maddow has become so bias and outspoken against Hillary Clinton. Despite my dislike for Obama, I think I would at least TRY to be balanced if I was on a news network. She is so bias. She can’t even acknowledge when Hillary does a good job. It’s sad because I do like her but not as much either.
TheRealist: Your comment to MSNBC was great. You sound like you’re the author of that Anglachel blog
Good article, kaffeen, but this part is bullshit: “He went through and felt what it’s like for people without work every day.
WTF??? No, he doesn’t! The guy went to exclusive private schools in Hawaii! When did he become some bro from da hood who had it hard? What a crock. It’s an insult to those who DID grow up having a hard time.
JAS, They showed a bit of it on MSNBC. He was putting ever one to sleep with his Hopium message.
H4T, ya, Obama spin. He is a Harvard graduate….’nuff said.
ClintonDem, “hopium.” LOL. That’s freakin’ priceless.
BTW, I was valedictorian of my rural high school. I am white middle class. I couldn’t get in to any elite Ivy League universities. That says a lot about Obama. He grew up privileged and is still an elitist.
you mean msnbc did not carry it carte blanch??????? wow
HEHS-
Thank you, but I am not a blogger.
Hillary’s Q4 totals are up at opensecrets.org, and show that;
She raised, $26,580,395
She SPENT, $39,127,458
Cash on hand, $37,947,874
As I expected, Barry is yet to post his Q4 numbers, choosing to tout his January take, because he spent EVERYTHING he had in Q4. Let’s see if my hunch plays out, that is if we ever SEE Barry’s filing…
CNN is reporting undecided voters from last night.
As reported last night, 60/40 Hillary. Definitely got the highest tracking moments and response. Obama wins Iraq. Too bad Iraq is so low on most voters mind these days and also it was only one of many topics that resonate with voters.
filbertsf..
Rachael Maddow is starting a *firestorm* against Senator Clinton that does not exist. She is trying to create a wedge issue regarding the Immigration issue from last night’s debate where she said: “Sen Clinton is creating a racial divide between Hispanics and Blacks by blaming (Hispanic) Immigrants for the loss of work.. putting AA out of work.
Hillary never said any such thing…and Rachael Maddow is promoting an outright “LIE” in this you tube video to affect the outcome of Super Tuesday, where Hillary maintains a huge voting block of Hispanics in CA and throughout the country and also a major AA voting block in Southern States that will be participating in the Primary on Tuesday..
afaic…Rachael Maddow is TRASH and needs to be called on this LIE!
Mrs. S.
Heehee! Changiness and Hopium!
Good stuff…enjoy.
“Take a few minutes right now and watch this wonderful backstage informal interview that Hillary did with America Ferrera and Amber Tamlyn. It is geared toward younger voters and it is one of the best glimpses of Hillary I have seen this campaign. Very moving.
Hillary with America and Amber
youtube.com/watch?v=v8frN4Rou_s
Please mark your calendars, and tune in Monday night to Hillary’s unprecedented Voices Across America National Town Hall Meeting. It will be aired on the Hallmark channel and live webcast at http://www.hillaryclinton.com Monday night at 9 p.m. EST, 8 p.m. CST, 7 p.m. MST, 6 p.m. PST. This election could not be more critical. Please set aside an hour of your time to watch as Hillary addresses questions one on one with voters. Watch and decide for yourself what kind of President this remarkable woman would be.
See Hillary’s promo during last night’s debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etup2-pUFOQ
Voices Across America: A National Town Hall To Be Broadcast On Hallmark Channel
The Clinton campaign today announced that it will broadcast Hillary’s Voices Across America: A National Town Hall live on Hallmark Channel. The town hall will be broadcast live on television and online on the eve of Super Tuesday, Monday, February 4, 2008 at 9 p.m. EST. Voters will be able to participate in this historic town hall by attending the anchor event in New York or one of the other 21 satellite simulcast events across the country, watching it live on television, and viewing a real-time stream of the event at hillaryclinton.com.
The first 60 minutes of the 90-minute town hall will be broadcast on Hallmark Channel.
“The stakes in this election are high and this 21st century town hall is a chance for voters to make their voices heard. My campaign is about delivering solutions to the economy, the war and other challenges facing the nation. I hope that Americans throughout the country are able to join in. Our aim is to have the largest and most interactive town hall in political history,” said Hillary.
The Clinton campaign also announced that one person who asks Hillary a question via the campaign Web site will get the opportunity to ask the question in-person at the town hall in New York. They will also have the chance to meet Hillary backstage after the event. Questions can be submitted by voters online at http://www.hillaryclinton.com/townhall.
The 22 cities where the campaign will host events are Birmingham, AL; Phoenix, AZ; Little Rock, AR; Los Angeles, CA; San Francisco, CA; Denver, CO; Hartford, CT; Wilmington, DE; Athens, GA; Boise, ID; Chicago, IL; Wichita, KS; Boston, MA; St. Paul, MN; Kansas City, MO; Cherry Hill, NJ; Albuquerque, NM; New York, NY; Grand Forks, ND; Tulsa, OK; Knoxville, TN; Salt Lake City, UT.
Hillary will anchor the town hall in New York, while President Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, and national and local surrogates will serve as hosts at events in the other states. Voters attending the events will be able to ask questions from these satellite events directly to Hillary in New York.”
Mrs. S, I don’t think we should spread Maddow’s words anymore than we have to. I would suggest not repeating her characterization here and inadvertently fanning the flames. We all know they are extremely biased.
Agree with pm.
RIP: Maddow
Exxon made 40 Billion dollars last year.
just heard that moveon.org has endorsed Obama…
I’m not listening to Rachel Maddow again – she’s playing the race card and trying to stir up the media pot.
Southern Political Report, Tennessee Democratic Primary
30 JAN 2007
463 likely Democratic voters, +/-4%
Clinton 59
Obama 36
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS0206/80131042/1009/NEWS02
Mrs. Smith, have missed you. Glad to see you back.
Maddow is exactly what’s wrong with our party and why so few GOP will cross the aisle- that abrasive “holier than thou” arrogance in which no one is allowed to deviate from their narrow concept of right-wrong, black-white. It comes across as better than you, conceitfulness and intellectually invalid as the real world is not painted in shades of black and white. It must be lonely for those types of folks. With not bathing regularly and being the sole possessors of wisdom and reason.
Unfortunately, they lack compassion which is what allows us to have differences of opinion but still support one another and grow as a nation. I suspect many of these people had helicopter parents or were only children. They don’t understand their shit stinks, too.
I may be a Yellowdog, but at least I’m not an asshole.
Did someone here say that Wes Clark was going to be in OK for Hillary? If so, when, and where did you read that?
TheRealist: Thanks for the numbers. Let’s keep and eye out for BO numbers, I was wondering… the amount you quoted, is that for the primay not the GE (because that is a seperate number, right??).
Ininla, no way. Their voting goes on for a few more days. If it’s true, whatever. I’m sick of their spam anyhow and their “betrayus” crap would be a liability in a GE.
More proof that Barry blew his bankroll in Q4;
“Overall numbers
Through Sunday, Democrats running for president have aired 83,320 advertisements on broadcast TV, with an estimated value of over $57 million. Barack Obama led the pack with almost 30,000 ads, worth almost $23 million, and then Hillary Clinton, with more than 25,500 ads, worth well over $18 million. John Edwards trailed far behind, with merely half of what Clinton bought and Bill Richardson at half of that. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden trailed.”
He spent 5 million more on TV alone.
Video from the JJ dinner in Georgia is available at MTV:
think.mtv.com/044FDFFFF0098A04C00170098CD28/
It’s somewhat slow to load but well worth watching.
is that a second recent great poll from tenn? if so great.
yes, it is. and it the first poll of TN voters since Edwards’s withdrawal from the campaign.
H4T, I heard it yesterday talking with one of our state organizers. They’re heading down today (I think) to scout locations. It will be Monday I think (I’ve slept since then) in Lawton. E-mail me at OkieAtty@gmail.com and I’ll forward it on as soon as I know. I’ll post it here too, but things get lost when we have 800+ posts on a thread.
Okay…. his 32M is not going too far if he spends like a drunk sailor!!!! I am still looking for HRC numbers for Jan ‘08.
Just chatted with my contact. They say more details on Wes tomorrow.
Thanks, Okie. Emailed you.
Obama is not Hillary’s only rival.
It’s Hillary vs Obama, MSM, progressive blogs and radio.
Maddow’s comments re: AA/latinos was negligent. She should be ashamed to call herself a progressive.
MSNBC is reporting that Moveon.org is endorsing Obama. What they fail to include is that the endorsement was based on online voting. Obama will win anything that involves online voting. Many of Hillary’s supporters do not use the internet, do not own a computer, are not members of MoveOn.org, and would not have voted in this online poll.
The internet is anti-Hillary but I think that most of America will show that the ruling class does not make the decisions in this election. If and when she wins this will prove the huge disconnect between the ruling class and the average American.
Murdoch’s NY Post endorsed Obama. LOL
NY Times vs NY Post — I wonder which paper has more credibility?
Last night Barry was wearing his stage mask. Smiling, courtley and deferential–up to a point.
But I believe we saw the real Barry at the State of the Union, as he stood beside his mentor, and cast an icy unbroken and menacing stare at Hillary as she moved through the room.
The Barry stare plus the subsequent snub tells you alot about who he is and how he reacts to adversity, and quite possibly women in power. And it is perserved on tape for posterity.
Can you imagine what would happen if he pulled that little stunt on the Chinese in sensitive negotiations? History suggests that they do not react well to a showing of disrespect.
Granted, my concern may be overstated since he has made it clear that he is more of visionary than a chief operating officer. In other words, he may decide to be MIA or vote present.
But if he does happen to get involved, encounter adversity and screw up again then all is not lost.
He could simply give them four different expanations for his behavior, tell them he was endorsed by Clare McCasil and ask the that all illuminating question first posed by Groucho Marx: who ya gonna believe me or your lying eyes? (Thanks Tayor)
Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE’S FEC filings are in but (the) ONE.
But it isn’t NEWS, because it’s Barry. He is going to try to either hold off releasing his numbers until 2/6, or will dump them on SuperBowl Sunday, hoping they will get lost in the shuffle on Monday. One thing is certain, he’s not releasing them for a reason and he releases good news right away.
Moveon’s endorsement will hurt, not help Obambi in the general election.
Would you really WANT Move-on’s endorsement?
TheRealist, Obama is hold a press conference today. Perhaps he’s going to razzle dazzle them with his Q4 totals. Maybe that’s the purpose of the conference.
Sorry, but I don’t see the MoveOn.org ‘endorsement’ as a big deal because it is a fringe entity that the right loves to attack.
Besides, the members probably voted solely on Iraq…and Obama has that speech. *rolls eyes*
BO will release his numbers in a Friday evening news dump.
realist, just what I was saying to my self! that is one endorsement I gladly send his way.
It’s not about endorsements, it’s about people. Even if all the members of MoveOn voted Obama, which they won’t, it is not going to make a dent compared to the other organizations and the real people out there.
filbertsf Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
They haven’t filed because they spent so much, that’s why they released their JANUARY totals ahead of the bad news. Believe me, the LAST thing Barry will mention today is where his Q4 Fec report is.
B.Merry, maybe this fits under your Rezkowatch.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-garg/obamas-audacity-gap_b_84358.html
I hate to say this as I am a rabid liberal, but progressives on the blogosphere are as dumb as bricks.
when moveon was under attack for it’s Patraeus ad, it was Hillary who refused to condemn them. She did so by voting against the censure and during several interviews (TV and print) in which she was asked to.
The Precious spoke against moveon in interviews and skipped out on the censure vote.
of course not one media twit will give it a yell out….perhaps o’reilly…then again, nah
filbert, the left blogoshere are complete tools and idiots. They are not reality-based, or even issue based. They are simply “rebel against anything old and jump on the hot new cause” morons.
This is why with things like the Moveon endorse, their true colors come out. They are neither progressive nor liberal. They just like throwing tantrums against “The Man.”
hillfans, i wondererd why hillary is coming back to connecticut monday becuase she was here earlier in the week,. now i know why. susa has it obama 48% to hillary 44%. arg just came out 48% hillary to obama’s 35%. yeah yeah, it is arg. im a little concerned about ct hillfans. susa nj, hillary 51% to obama 39%. ny hillary 54% to obama 38%.
Good hearing from you Okieatty..and I did see the pic taken of BC with a cute little baby..yours?
Just to let y’all know I read here almost everyday and I’m still on the front lines defending our candidate Hillary. I give her detractors NO QUARTER, especially when they are caught floating a LIE, as is Maddow. She is no friend to us and represents whats wrong with Big Media where she is a bought and paid for shill.
filbertsf..
I don’t know you..but I cannot speak in soft monotones about someone who has become another snake on the head of the Hydra..
Mrs. S.
media release just went up on moveon.org – what’s so annoying is the big media will report on this, and not on the NY Firemen and the CA Navajo endorsing Clinton – it’s all about (false) momentum.
We should all write letters to moveon, about the Patraeus incident and how Hillary stood up for them, and how biased they are to let their endorsement really be about a snapshot of their youthful demographic.
Filbert: since Murdock now owns the WSJ are we to assume that they will follow suit? If so that could turn out to be a good thing for us, since they are the mouthpiece of big business.
Did anyone notice the connection between Obama and Dick Morris posted on Taylor Marsh. I now see he has pecuniary reasons as well as personal and political ones to attack Hillary.
Realist posed an excellent question the other day in a differnent context: who are you and why do I get bad vibes. That question can just as easily be asked about Barry. We now know what he really means when he talks about bringing Democats and Republicans together.
H4t, Wes will be at Cameron. No set time yet.
terrondt, are those susa polls post edwards dropping out ?
terrondt, where are you seeing those polls? I hate to be annoying, but please, people, when you post info put a darn LINK!
Ininla, Hillary also got the Registered Nurses (ANA – American Nurses Assoc). 2.9 million strong.
MoveOn endorsement won’t really play well with the Ripub/Indie voters Obama is courting.
Most of the GE liabilities are in Obama’s court. His endorsements, history, and associated headaches.
yes dt, edwards not included.
yes – I saw that earlier about the nurses- I just want to strangle the big media that they make so much hay about the obama fluff endorsements and so little about the endorsements of Clinton that matter to working class and real people.
TV ALERT: Hillary on Sunday
Feb 3
- Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace
- ABC This Week with George Stephanopoulos
* James Carville (and Mary) is on NBC Meet The Press
survey usa website. sorry i noted before im terrible at linking.
Mrs. S, not mine. That baby girl is another good Dem’s baby.
I also give no quarter to the Obamabot asshats. For one, I’m allergic to hopium and I also as an atheist hate cults. I also value my own thoughts and values and don’t need someone else to tell me how to think. Hence why I think they’re retards.
thanks kingsgrove for the sunday talk show gigs. good, no mtp.
wallace is smug,,
Dick Morris, moveon. What fine people for BO.
reckon carville will be debating mary or will he be muzzled
Ct. Demos for the nervous nellies still worrying about every stupid poll;
quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/09000.html
We’ll get 35+ delegates, which is what it’s all about. Do any of you expect to win all of the primaries by 20 points?
it may help for moveon to endorse obama. i suspect most moveon voters are already for obama. they took a poll for the endorsement. so what will it accomplish? those who voted to endorse obama are voting for obama, duh. kind of a tautology. except it may not look great for obama in the minds of other voters, i’m sorry, i know a lot of people have their hearts in the right place but obama is supported by most of the shoot-ourselves-in-the-foot wing of the party. i was offended by the petraeus ad myself and it was a big fat present to the gop right then, as was trying to elect lamont
Kaffeen, good point.
I suggest somebody more informed and astute than I am, make a list of Obama’s perceived liabilities for the GE and post it here — may be admin could pick up on that with their blog. I would start with his Iraq speech.
anyone besides me think Saturday will be a big early voting day…just a hunch
I agree with all who say no thank you to the Moveon endorsement. Even if they do some ind expenditures, they have already turned off the moderates. If we can make sure the moderates have the connection between moveon and BO, then we will pick up some more momentum. If the tragedy of BO being the nominee comes true, then the Repubs will eat him alive with the MoveOn endorsement.
charlie cook would be important.. lets see what he has to say.. i think he is extremely astute and very smart..
I was a faithful listener to Air America but when they all started trashing Hillary and showing no balance at all I stopped listening. I really believe by not being balanced they are doing a lot of harm for Progressive radio. Same with Keith…after Chris Matthews got himself in hot water over his stupid, ridiculous remark about why Hillary won her election in NY that is when I noticed Keith changing. Maybe he changed before then but why he would want to be joined at the hip with Matthews is beyond me. I no longer listen to any of them and let them know why. You can disagree with someone but to be so one sided and to personally attack someone night after night in favor of another is just plain wrong. I think they are going to find out that they have made a big mistake in joining the MSM in trashing Hillary. Maybe they are threatened by her intelligence etc. But whatever, they are a huge disappointment. They have been giving an opportunity to reach a lot of people and they have taken that opportunity and abused it, in my opinion anyway. First time here but it’s nice to be here and to be able to read such great posts.
Realist – ok calm my nerves here – I think she’s going to win NY, NJ and CA for sure. But does a loss in CT ( I dont think this was anticipated) upset any calculations in terms of delegates ?
Craig Crawford’s take on last night:
blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/02/businesslike-debate-bores-medi.html
Good point, SoonerDem. Great minds think alike. Besides, Hillary can hit Precious with his no vote on the condemnation of Moveon. Another failure to take a stand.
dt.. she will win CT.. dont worry… the only places she will lose will be IL, GA, KS, and maybe AL.
pm – liabilities –> rezko unexplained. drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants (huge). a certain speech to planned parenthood last summer (huge. and on tape). meeting with chavez, ahmendinejad, etc in first year with no preconditions.
Good morning Hillfans!
1.) I’m with The Realist. Stop worrying about the polls. HRC will probably win the big states (NY,NJ,CA,MA) by double digits and even the smaller states like TN and Ark by similar margins. Thats been the trend for most of the year.
2.) Ditto HillaryforTexas about the blogs. I remember when the campaign first started last year and the blogs were insisting Hill apologize for Iraq. Huh? It was GWB who lied to the country and the senate to get us into Iraq! Has he ever apologized? I didn’t think so.
terrondt: im a little concerned about ct hillfans.
It’s the Lamont coalition + the black vote breaking 75:20 for BO. His numbers shot up in CT after Kennedy. Larson and Murphy endorsing didn’t help. As a CT resident, perhaps you should contact DeLauro and Dodd to express Hillary support.
dt, she will not lose CT. It’s hers. And remember that Moveon offended their voters with that ad this Summer.
TheRealist, Didn’t Obama have to release them by midnight last night?
Also, The Talk Left post is really good. I was thinking Hillary didn’t zing back at Obama on the Iraq question for a reason. Her goal in the debate was to appear more “likable,” and she did that brilliantly.
Gladiator–I heard she was up in Alabama? Could be wrong.
Don’t forget she’ll win OK. Obama has support in Norman, but the rest of the state is firmly hers. He was in 3rd here until JE dropped out. Many of the Edwards supporters I know here have Hillary as second choice. She’ll win big here. 15+ pts.
thanks kingsgrove.. this part of his article cracked me up.
Maybe Chelsea keeps mum because she is a secret chain smoker who sounds like Larry King. Or because the Clintons cannot afford to let it slip that Chelsea has actually been running this family since her prodigal childhood in Little Rock, plotting world domination once she secures an unprecedented third term as First Daughter (take that, Camelot Princess).
chelsea clinton.. yeah I will vote for her if I live long enough to see her run. I am only 2 years elder to her btw
Colarado is a caucus and apparently he’s doing well there due to high campaign visibility. I dont want “safe” North-east states which can offset the ones where he’s doing well to suddenly become up for grabs. Sorry cant help it, but my nerves are going to be frayed for the next 4 days !
Hillary played all the levels in the debate last night. She reverted back to playing for the GE, not just the primary. Anyone seen the numbers for viewers last night yet?
This is a good site, it give information on delegate count through (and including 2/5
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/state-polls.html
As far as the MoveOn. endorsment…no big deal…there reputation is not all that steller.
soonerdemocrat.. I will believe she will win any state with more than 20% AA except NY when I see it. they are undecided now according to pollsters but they will break 80-20 to Obama..
Glad Obama got the moveon endorsement. That’s an albatross.
dt, one word: valium.
Those who have Air America accounts and are “disappointed” with Maddow’s comments, go to her blog and post. Like all left blogosphere, Hillary supporters are outnumbered.
I am trying to post a link, and it is not taking any reason why????
true, delaro has been quiet. dodd, what is up with these candidates who drop out? say what you will about gulinani(i can’t stand him) at least after he dropped out and sucked up his pride and endorsed mccain. these failed candidates are so bitter they lost.
In regards to the FEC filings, Isn’t the information posted on there website???
btw , hillary did open an office in stamford,ct. a hour and a half away i will do some work this weekend for them as promised.
Jas, this site doesn’t do html. you can post hyperlinks but they cannot have “http” in them. “www” works but not the other. You can also visit http://www.tinyurl.com and redo the link and redact the http. Otherwise it hits the spamfilter.
Hey Gladiator…
When Bill and Chelsea were in Norman, i got to give Chelsea a tour of OU and have lunch with her. I was amazed by several things…
1. she is tiny skinny. very attractive
2. she is incredibly smart and well spoken. She struck me as the intelligent introvert type.
3. Very kind and personable. Though she is an introvert, when students came up to her in the student union, she had a huge crowd of people wanting pictures. She smiled and ended each photo with a version of “I Hope you will vote for my mom”
4. she is normal. she talked about taking the subway in NYC.
5. She talks about her mom and dad like I do. It was weird since her “mom and dad” are my two biggest political idols.
jas, i tried linking too with susa’s website. no dice.
lol okie !
I guessed as much about the Lamont coalition in CT ..
I thought it was really funny when, in the post-debate comments, an Obama supporter had sent an email, I guess, (the text was on the screen) complaining about the ‘peoplemeter’, that reactions for Hill were much higher than those for BO, that it was a pre-selected group, that it was not representative, and how awful it was that the whole world saw that! HA HA!
Nobody is polling Delaware, but I believe the black vote is quite a large share.
Hello everyone, I feel very good today about Hillary’s chances in Feb 5. The debate yesterday showed an authentic, likeable, presidential Hillary Clinton. It clearly showed that she represents major change from the Bush administration. It changed the media narrative. We have only 3 more days until Super Tuesday. She has significant demographic advantages and Obama won’t be able to change that. That is why he is desparately advertising everywhere and blowing his money. My prediction: Hillary will get (conservatively) at least 1,000 of the 1,600 delegates in play on Feb 5.
1,000 delagates i would jump for joy for that number for hillary.
i don’ t think BHO will touting that moveon endorsement anytime soon. I am fired up and ready to VOTE…FOR HRC
dt, i have to admit i voted for lamont in 2006. one of the few times i agree with the nutkooks.
terrondt, by the by, a very nice picture.
TPS, I’m voting in-person absentee today. We also have Saturday absentee voting here which is gaining popularity. I can’t wait!
SoonerDem, thanks for the take on Chelsea. You know, she more than Caroline Schlossberg is America’s daughter. Amazing, well-rounded young woman.
SoonerDemocrat I agree with all the points, and I give the credit to Hillary. she raised a fine child.. very smart one too.. but I think the smartness comes from Bill
.. obviously I think he is smarter than Hillary.. LOL..
Thanks you guy’s!!!
I was so concerned about BO getting 32M in Jan. Well after reading info on Huffinton Post, he needed that $$$ I beleive some supporters were concerned about his financial situation. Still at the end of the day HRC has more in the bank ( I assume, since we do not know what the campagine have spent in Jan 08).
Well, maybe we should help him with that.
From TPM:
Hillary Outraises Obama In Fourth Quarter Of 2007
By Greg Sargent – February 1, 2008, 11:05AM
Barack Obama may have raised $32 million in the month of January, but new FEC reports show that Hillary managed to outdo Obama in fundraising during the last quarter of 2007:
Clinton reported raising nearly $27 million in the last three months of 2007. Obama raised $23.5 million during that period.
Hillary also finished out the year with $18 million on hand to Obama’s $13 million. The Hillary camp has not released its January totals or said whether they’ve come close to matching Obama’s haul.
Obama’s campaign says they filed their FEC report yesterday, but right now, only Hillary’s is available on the FEC site.
terrondt, no need to feel guilty about Lamont. I was cheering his win too and had hoped he would get rid of Lieberman. And Lamont endorsed BO. Kind of surprised about CT though – thought that a fair share of Edwards support would go to her,like in MA ..
anbritt Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 12:55 pm
i don’ t think BHO will touting that moveon endorsement anytime soon.
You can bet that the REPUBLICAN would. We are saving the democratic party from a disaster of 1968, McGovern, Dukakis, proportions. IMAGINGE how that Petreus AD would play in the GE.
This is a good/fun site. It gives an estimate of the delgate count (including 2/5).
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/state-polls.html
i wont make predictions on delegate count.. caz despite I was right about NH, I thought florida numbers for her were surprising.. I thought her base was deeper and she would pull 55-56%, she only managed 50. Also, I thought Obama will pull in 28-30%. he pulled in 33. So I wont predict leads since I am happen to be underestimating his base, but I will call out the states he will win and lose.
JAS, Hillary pre-paid thru TT months ago. 3Q I think. Her 38M is huge and will guarantee a great GOTV in Texas and other post TT states. BTW- last time I checked H4T and her crowd were kicking ass on the numbers in the Lonestar state.
These are REAL voters in a REAL Union in Obama’s home state. I’d rather see this kind of voter endorsement than Moveon.org.
Obama’s fundraising collides with his rhetoric
also, please everyone.. advertise hillary’s townhall meeting as much as possible. this is MOST important. she will explain her positions and if she pulls it off well, then media will cover it and that will give her momentum into tuesday.
Obama is skipping California. He is leaving the state with no plans to return before the election on Tuesday.
google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&ned=&q=hillary+clinton&ie=UTF-8&scoring=n
OkieAtty, I already voted for Hillary in early-voting here in Illinois. She will do better here than people are expecting. She will do better in Southern Illinois and in the suburbs. The city of Chicago will go overwhelmingly for Obama. She will also do better among the hispanics here.
OkieAtty: You stated she pre-paid thru TT, do you mean ad buy’s (I am a little slow on the up take, not enough coffee).
is he really just leaving period…..needs to be out there so undecided know he does not give a flip about them…at all
Sherm Kader Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
His own polling told him he would max out at about 40-45% no matter what he did…Half of rge votes are already in with Hill 20 points up.
Obama’s campaign says they filed their FEC report yesterday, but right now, only Hillary’s is available on the FEC site.
Hmmm….
Dot48, there are other articles just out saying the same thing. Apparently he and his campaign believe Clinton has CA sewed up. I hope he skips the rest of them also.
Okie, Texas has tightened some (to 10 points or so?) , but the newer poll is still pre-Edwards and pre-debate.
Also, they are, I think, underestimating the Latino vote here.
We have a strategy meeting the day after Super Tuesday here in San Antonio, so will let you guys know more then. Hillary’s supporters here are solid as a rock, and as motivated as I’ve ever seen. Several worked in Bill’s admin, and love both Clintons with all their heart.
You can’t buy that kind of passion and loyalty.
Krugman on Precious’ “Harry and Lousie” mailers. krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/obama-does-harry-and-louise-again/
The Obamabots are losing their minds. They think Krugman is a hit man for Hillary which he is not. F-ing PINO’s and their cult of personality.
Obama is skipping California.
1) too many absentees have voted
2) will leave SEIU-CA to try to get as many votes as possible. Hopefully CA membership went for Edwards via absentee.
LawSchoolDem Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Hill’s 18 mil is primary money (out of almost 38 mil. on hand) We still don’t know what Barry spent or how much PRIMARY money he had on hand, and we probably won’t know until Monday. If it was Hillary, there’d be a dozen headlines saying, “Show me the Money”…
Remember how those vultures in the media were deliberately farting out some stuff about money problems for her, just before NH ? Bastards ! She’s fighting the right wing, the left wing, the cable media, the print media, the progressive blogosphere, the liberal crazies, the naderites and she’s still winning, smiling and gracious. If thats not what you call an extraordinary person, then I dont know what else is.
Rally for Hillary at California State University on Saturday morning 9am-12:30pm in their Main Gym.
In addition, when he gets crushed in CA, he can claim that he hardly campaigned there…
California is Clinton Country!
Obama is going to dirty politics with a mailer that contains lies about Hillary’s health plan.
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/obamas-mailer-i.html
Things are getting more interesting all the time.
Loving this….
Obama skips California
LOS ANGELES — Sen. Barack Obama will be leaving California in a few minutes, targeting instead Super Tuesday states like New Mexico, Missouri, Delaware and Connecticut. There are no plans for him to return before the election.
It’s a strategy that has some baffled, given his surge in a recent poll of California Democrats and the fact the state is the largest delegate prize on Feb. 5.
“Maybe he sees the reality,” sniffed Rep. Hilda Solis, who supports Sen. Hillary Clinton. “California has a long history with her, she’s been here many many times and he doesn’t have the same kind of legacy and experience with these voters.”
Obama aides insist they are sending the campaign’s best surrogates to blanket California in advance of the big day — Sen. Teddy Kennedy, Sen. John Kerry and his wife, Michelle Obama.
“Obviously everyone has resource decisions to make,” said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs.
Here’s my story from last night’s debate, which most agreed was a friendly setting that allowed the two Democrats left standing to showcase their policy differences.
I also have a story up about the crucial Latino vote in the Super Tuesday states. Sen. Hillary Clinton has a huge lead among Hispanic voters, and this study suggests her Spanish-language Web site beats the others.
Someone posted an article earlier about latino support for Clinton. As the article said, for them, she is family.
well what do delegates look like for him right now in ca …with the wingnuts who will for him
CT might become tough for Hillary. The news pointed out that they were the wine drinking Democrats. I’ve only been through CT to visit Boston but I can believe that. I live in a yuppy college town and we have a ton of those types of liberals here. My state went Hillary and almost every county went to Hillary in my area of the state except for my town which went overwhelmingly to Obama. You tend to find the moveon.org, college anti-war hippies, upper class and highly educated liberals where I live and I can imagine that being the case in places like CT.
I just want this to be over and Hillary the nominee. I can’t even argue with Obama people anymore. Their hatred for Hillary is overwhelming and it seems to become worse now that the media has portrayed Obama of have a very, very good chance of winning now. I haven’t seen one positive Hillary story on MSNBC at all and I watch that channel religiously.
I guess those Californians don’t deserve the audacity of hope…hehe
JAS, yes, some ad buys and overhead and print. She has enough money to buy more ads and by being smart with her money can roll with the punches.
H4T, you’re right. My folks, etc. are in Houston. Dad’s a Huckabee kinda guy and my sister and her hubby are Mormon. My mom, however, is so pro-Hillary you would just laugh. She’s great and just learning about the “internets.” I sent her my post and forwarded my camera phone pics from the event. She likes her youtube on her iPhone, but doens’t quite know what she’s doing. The other day was the first time I’ve ever e-mailed her. Why? Because she didn’t know how to work her e-mail or what her address was. She’s learning now all bc of Hillary. BTW- she’s had a PC for 5 years….She’s talking up Hillary and sharing my posts now and having a great time doing it. And if you think I’m rancorous, you should meet my mama.
HEHS, you just might want to skip MSNBC until the primary is over.
TPS, what a bumper sticker:
HILLARY IS FAMILY!
MSNBC is the least watched of all major networks.
obama will plan to take some of the limelight out of HIllary’s Monday Town-Hall meeting.
Sherm Kader, I love that slogan. We should get T-shirts and bumper stickers made with that slogan. It truly captures who she is when it comes to her passion for children and their issues.
KINGSGROVE…WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN MIND (LOL)
THEREALIST..no doubt the repugs will make hay of it. BTW weren;t the financial reports due last night?
Haha. I love that Perez Hilton was hardcore Obama and now he’s become a Hillary supporter. Go to his website. His quote of the day is “It took a Clinton to clean after the first Bush and I think it might take another one to clean up after the second Bush”. That’s going to be the quote of the year if she wins.
I love to see people who were Obama supporters finally see the light.
I like it — HILLARY IS FAMILY
plural, I love it. I am serious we should make bumper stickers and T-shirts with it.
I will say it again HILLARY IS FAMILY!
don’t think ted kennedy will help him in california. honest, i think his endorsement hurt…people continue to bring up that women he killed
California has a long history with her, she’s been here many many times
While he was living in IA and SC, she was in places like CA. Now we’ll see the payoff.
Does anyone here know the spanish translation for HILLARY IS FAMILY?
Oh, SNAP! Even Ben Smith (Hi, Ben!) makes fun of Precious’ citing the Iowa student newspaper as an endorsement of his health plan. Bwahahahahahahaha.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/More_negative_mail.html
“Where’s the beef?” a chant to say back to Precious everytime he talks about hopium and changiness.
dot48: people continue to bring up that women he killed
I thought he should have remained neutral just for that reason alone. The symbolism is terrible.
So I guess Obama won’t be campaigning in CA with Oprah after all. When you leave only your surrogates to campaign in a state, you’ve given up on it. Like Hillary did with Bill in SC.
BTW, SoonerDemocrat, Thanks for sharing your experience about Chelsea. What a wonderful young lady.
bill perhaps need to target ct and georgia???
DOT48 says:
“don’t think ted kennedy will help him in california. honest, i think his endorsement hurt…people continue to bring up that women he killed”
Just wondering, maybe we shouldn’t even bring that up. After all, it’s water under the bridge now.
i heart perez
im saying, he gets many times the readers of political blogs and probably a lot of the mainstream media. good press for hillary. not kidding. he doesn’t bring up a lot of specific political issues but is very pro-glbt rights (of course!), anti-gop, and hates castro (he is cuban)
TheRealist you should see how much money he spent in there – there is a chart in NY times on that and it still don’t work. California by any poll – should be safe for Hillary
TPS, “Hillary es la familia.”
yeah, and when obama mentioned ted kennedy last night, people do not care for kennedy leadership qualities…he is really spineless and if not for his last name he would already be done for. HE does not pack the power and the hope that his last name would…doesn’t seem to be getting a whole lot of bounce
TPS, while I really like that slogan, and I would like to have it on a bumper sticker, I don’t have the means to have it made.
Is Oprah really going to CA? I heard she might not come out for him anymore because of some backlash for her Iowa campaigning. I want to see her out in L.A. just so she can get booed then have CA go to Hillary anyway. That bitch thinks she can move mountains. I’ve never liked her.
John, do you have a link on the NYT’s chart on CA expenditures?
re the Kennedy endorsement: nothing brings out the women’s vote like a guy who escapes prosecution for fleeing the scene of a drowning, and stands by the side of his nephew, the rapist…
sherm, yes….water under the bridge. zip my lip. but really it has been mentioned to me about every day this week several times.
Great news about California. You know I’ve realized that this is finally the year that deals the death blow to the Iowa caucus! Love ya Hawk, but the importance placed on Iowa by the media and the campaigns makes me sick. This is a big country and you don’t have to be an Iowan to know who would make a good president. Hillary finished 3rd and McCain finished like 4th or 6th in Iowa but here they are. Sweet!
Sherm, I am happy to help, if there is a way we can get the campaign to go along.
I think Oprah is going to learn to stay out of politics publicly. It is public suicide (not that she isn’t powerful enough to overcome, but I’m sure there is some negative backlash and decrease in potential viewers/readers).
Ted is in CA right now … on C-SPAN
Admin may be able to direct anyone to the right people. Or maybe not. Worth a try.
oprah got overwhelming backlash on her message board and most likely sees a drop in viewership. I’m not sure she will be back out with him….unless the michelle obama event in ca is a covert cover for it
hey all – write to Perez Hilton and support his support of Hillary. I know he has much influence, and although this is not the same as political endorsement, if he came out for Clinton, the entertainment media would cover it.
Hey, here are the Edward’s superdelegates up for grabs. Call ‘em if ya know ‘em.
Rep. Bruce Braley (D-Iowa)
Rep. Bob Etheridge (D-N.C.)
Rep. Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin (D-S.D.)
Rep. Charlie Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas)
Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-N.C.)
Rep. Mike Michaud (D-Maine)
Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.)
Rep. Jim Oberstar (D-Minn.)
Rep. David Obey (D-Wis.)
Rep. David Price (D-N.C.)
Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.)
Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.)
Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.)
He’s THREATENED it again…
“I am confident I will get her votes if I’m the nominee,” Obama stressed. “It’s not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee.”
firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx#comments
Ego. Hubris. Obama.
Just wondering, maybe we shouldn’t even bring that up. After all, it’s water under the bridge now.
You went there, so now I will.
I admit I’m ashamed of myself, but I found this funny:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012808/home.parcoltop33.98524.ImageFile.jpg
maybe we ought to call senate and tell them ted needs to be at work in washington….doing what we are paying his fat arse to be doing. number anyone because he is on our dime.
“I am confident I will get her votes if I’m the nominee,” Obama stressed.
I have bad news for him. Supervoters I called in my district on Monday were complaining about the media picking our nom and said they would not vote for him.
Jas, that’s wonderful. Ted can waste his time and energy campaigning in CA, a state that Obama is reported to have given up. Don’t those people talk to each other?
The thing is if Oprah endorses anyone it should be Hillary. Her viewers are predominantly lower-middle income white women. Hello! These are Hillary supporters for the most part. Oprah is all about women’s empowerment before African-American issues. It would make more sense for her to endorse a woman. But you know what. I’m kinda glad she isn’t endorsing Hillary. Oprah is annoying as hell. I still would dislike her even if she endorsed Hillary. For every person who thinks she’s God there are many more who hate her guts.
Iowa is an anomaly. These people voted for Huckabee. They obviously have no idea what the rest of our country wants in a president.
I know I keep harping on the Rachel Maddow thing, but I’m fuming. I’ve been such a faithful listener and supporter for so long that Rachel’s comments is bugging the heck out of me.
Of course I’ll be boycotting her show, but I feel betrayed.
someone quick typist and smart searcher…add phone #’s to those names. we will start phone campaign…i’m just not good at search engines
OkieAtty I saved it to my computer let me try to find for you again
HLR, that really is funny. Unfortunately for me, I like sick humor.
Okie, Jas – http:// will get up after a delay in the spam filter.
OkieAtty
here I saved it
farm3.static.flickr.com/2276/2232550473_b44c680871_o.jpg
hillfans, i get a big kick out of rightwing crazy ann coutlter’s supposed endorsement of hillary if mccain is the gop nominee. several takes 1. i do not believe it.2., this kook will say anything to get headlines. 3. even if she is for real i do not want the sick b*tch’s vote for hillary anyway.
HLR, that really is funny. Unfortunately for me, I like sick humor.
It’s dead-on, as far as symbolism goes. Most Dems are forced into overlooking his sordid past. He really burned me up when he was talking pot shots at BC’s character.
I’m not a regular listener of the Rachel Maddow show but if you are a huge fan and you are upset let her know. She needs to know that she is offending a huge portion of her listeners. I’m glad a similar thing happened to Oprah. They make their millions from our support so they should respect different viewpoints within the Democratic party. I am not going to hate on Rachel for supporting Obama but she goes to far in her criticism of Hillary. If Hillary had done a horrible job last night I would admit that but she was brilliant. Maddow has no right criticizing Hillary on her immigration response.
I wouldn’t want Perez Hilton to pull an Oprah but he should definitely think about going to a Latino event in L.A. which supports Hillary so it will look like he is reporting on the Latino community and excitement for Hillary there rather than just stumping for Hillary which will alienate many of his fans which I don’t want him to do.
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called and nice response. didn’t act like I was wasting their time.
Do not call their state office #’s…explained to me he can’t talk about issues like this so call washinton #…
I hope Perez shows up to Hillary rally’s – I don’t think Perez is so worried about going against the grain even amongst his young demographic; they’re susceptible to peer pressure and following their icons – I say Perez endorse Hillary.
A little off topic, but can ya’ll see Bill Clinton as first gentleman?!! I mean the big dog entertaining at the white house, doing the xmas decorations. I personally can’t wait to see him in action.
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P.O. Box 1059
Lillington, NC 27546
Phone: (910) 814-0335
North Carolina Toll Free Number: 1-866-384-3743 (ETHERIDGE)
Fax: (910) 814-2264
The Honorable Stephanie Herseth Sandlin
331 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2801
Fax: (202) 225-5823
stephanie.hersethsandlin@mail.house.gov
(319) 287-3233
Davenport Office
209 W. 4th St., Suite 104
Davenport, IA 52801
(563) 323-5988
Dubuque Office
350 W. 6th St., Suite 222
Dubuque, IA 52001
(563) 557-7789
nikki22, that’s a funny question. I can think of ways he will successfully get around that duty, but that would be only conjecture.
It’s a little like George Washington who had to set the pattern for Presidents. Now Bill gets to set the pattern for first gentleman, or whatever he will be called.
Take out the last two PH’s please
HillaryforTexas Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pm
filbert, the left blogoshere are complete tools and idiots. They are not reality-based, or even issue based. They are simply “rebel against anything old and jump on the hot new cause” morons.
This is why with things like the Moveon endorse, their true colors come out. They are neither progressive nor liberal. They just like throwing tantrums against “The Man.”
Worse for The Woman.
It’s odd, Moveon started as a backlash to the impeachment of Bill Clinton. They were going to raise money to vote out the impeachment leaders and back moderate common sense non-ideologue candidates in both parties.
Wonder how many pieces of silver Rachel Maddow got to become MSNBC news person and to fall in line?
It’s hard to resist major bucks isn’t it?
Charlie Gonzales (D-TX)
Washington Office
303 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515-4320
Phone: (202)225-3236
Fax: (202)225-1915
San Antonio Office
B-124 Federal Building
727 East Durango
San Antonio, TX 78206-1286
Phone: (210)472-6195
Fax: (210)472-4009
I think CT will also factor in some moderate jewish votes who may decide to back Mccain due to lieberman. There is some concern that they would like to have mccain in play as a safer choice available in GE … in case Hillary does not make it!
HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter
the whole of Air america radio is biased today. I stopped listening to them. It looks like they are being paid to say what they say – cause Rhodes used to like Clintons very much. What did change?
Eddie Bernice Johnson
Washington, D.C
1511 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-8885
Fax: (202) 226-1477
District Office
Dallas Office:
3102 Maple Avenue
Suite 600
Dallas, TX 75201
Phone: (214) 922-8885
OkieAtty — Herseth is from SD. Why does she have offices in Iowa??
Here are the contact nrs:
hersethsandlin.house.gov/contact.html
She doesn’t it was a cut and paste error. That’s why I said take out the last two ph’s.
I’m in agreement with those of you about Air America. It got taken off the air here in Memphis months ago and I don’t miss it at all. The only show I enjoyed was Randi Rhodes when she would rip on Bush. The problem with a lot of the liberal talk shows is that they go for the sort of leftwing activist types and not regular democrats like me. And I don’t even mind criticism of Hillary as long as its fair.
mp, they better have registered as dems becuase ct is a closed primary.
Mike McIntyre (D-NC)
OFFICE INFORMATION
WASHINGTON, DC
2437 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-2731
fax (202) 225-5773
LUMBERTON, NC
500 North Cedar Street
Lumberton, NC 28358
(910) 735-0610
fax (910) 739-5085
FAYETTEVILLE, NC
301 Green Street, Room 218
Fayetteville, NC 28301
(910) 323-0260
fax (910) 323-0069
WILMINGTON, NC
201 North Front Street, Suite 410
Wilmington, NC 28401
(910) 815-4959
fax (910) 815-4543
BOLIVIA, NC*
310 Government Center Drive, NE; Building S, Unit 1
Bolivia, NC 28422
(910)-253-0158
fax (910)-253-0159
*This office is only open during the hours of 9:30-3:30, Monday through Wednesday
nikki22
Randi Rhodes is completely biased today. I used to just love her – now I barely listen once I am in the car. NJ is all covered by this station so you can listen to it. But I just lost interest. It is like “Barack on Attack” radio
I tell ya what, this holdup in the Rezko trial smells like GOP interest. Wouldn’t they just love to keep Rezko quiet until a GE with Bambi in the race and then have him squeal like a pig afterwards.
Mike Michaud (D-ME)
Washington DC
1724 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-1902
Phone: 202-225-6306
Fax: 202-225-2943
Bangor, Maine
23 Water Street Suite 205
Bangor, ME 04401
Phone: 207-942-6935
Fax: 207-942-5907 Lewiston, Maine
179 Lisbon Street Ground Floor
Lewiston, ME 04240
Phone: 207-782-3704
Fax: 207-782-5330
Presque Isle, Maine
445 Main Street
Presque Isle, ME 04769
Phone: 207-764-1036
Fax: 207-764-1060
Waterville, Maine
16 Common Street
Waterville, ME 04901
Phone: 207-873-5713
Fax: 207-873-5717
OK, I have to bow out for a bit. The rest of the list is:
Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.)
Rep. Jim Oberstar (D-Minn.)
Rep. David Obey (D-Wis.)
Rep. David Price (D-N.C.)
Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.)
Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.)
Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.)
You guys fill in the rest if you can. Thx.
Don’t bother w/ Obestar; endorsed BO today.
Finally,
BO Q4 raised $22,846,049
spent $40,216,122
on hand $18,626,248
No listing yet as to how much of the 18 mil. is in primary funds…
THEREALIST: he got alot of repub and repub leaning voters in the earlier states and he knows it…thats why he says that comment. anyhoo, its not good for the party , imo.. selfish
THEREAKIST: you were right..he spent a hell of a lot of money
BO’s 4th quarter:
Receipts: 23.5 mill
Spent: 40.9 mill
COH: 18.6 mill
Those are all superdelegates, I take it?
What could he have spent 41mill on?
THEREALIST: am i reading this correct? HRC has twice as much cash on hand as BHO?
Air America used to be really good. I was addicted to it for a while. I listened to Al Franken, Mike Malloy (who is now on Nova M Radio), Sam Seder, Randi Rhodes, and Rachel Maddow on occasion. Then Al Franken left and they got rid of Mike Malloy (who was the best thing that happened to Air America). I am left of center and even though I enjoy listening to people like Malloy and Rhodes on the radio they DO NOT represent the majority of Democrats. They would be considered extremists by mainstream Democrats.
I agree HEHS. I am to the left of most of the Democrats know.
nikki22, I think he poured most of it in Iowa. Each vote there cost him a lot of money.
What the hell did he spend $41 mil on?
Anyone know what Hillary’s and/or Bill’s plans are for tomorrow?
Heck, TPS, he is paying college kids $12.50 an hour to carry signs for him!
reed061:
Hill is in CA and I am not sure where Bill is
HighlyEducatedHillarySupporter
Al Franken was good – not too much. He was supposed to run for the congress from MN… Randi Rhodes – it is sad that she is no longer what she used to be. I can understand if one of them supports BO – but not all radio. Anyways – it is too left for me today – I am not 25 years old anymore…
anbritt, part of that is for the GE. And none of this includes his nat’l buys or Jan money. it means he is prolly down quite a bit more than 18M. The cut-off was 12-31-07. ‘o8 numbers aren’t included.
Caroline, it’s expensive to truck in voters from IL to IA.
I think Obama would have a nervous breakdown in a crisis.
HEHS, you are right about Mike Malloy. I only heard him once or twice because he came on at 12:00 am Memphis time. But I stream him on Nova and he is funny as hell! He’s definitely to the left of me but whenever he refers to Bush as “President Chucklenuts” I roll on the floor laughing.
I agree with a lot of Clinton supporters who have pointed out that Obama only had a 4 state plan. He was pretty sure he’d get South Carolina. He used most of his money in Iowa, NH, Nevada, and SC. The loss in NH was a dose of reality for him. He probably concentrated a lot of money in SC after that loss. He was lucky to get the Ted Kennedy endorsement. This is just me making guesses here but I think he used up most of his money and was very low on funding. He will probably get a lot more money now that he has the help of Kerry, the Kennedys, and MoveOn.org doing his fundraising but overall Clinton has raised the most money and has an actual plan on how to use it wisely and most effectively.
terrondt: DeLauro is supposed to endorse BO tomorrow.
Radio Alert
Polling “short course” on Talk of the Nation “Science Friday.”
Painless learning in quick study format.
On NPR now
Let’s do some fast math…. 18M in the bank + 32M rasied in Jan 08= 50M on hand (this is not including what he spent in Jan 08), the 41M he spent in 4Q could have been some pre-pay for ad’s ??? But any case he is spending a Sh*t load .
the 41M he spent in 4Q could have been some pre-pay for ad’s ???
do you have any evidence for this?
The DNC set-up the 4-state process to disadvantage Hilalry. Obama and Edwards wanted to push out Hillary out of the campaign before Super Tuesday. It didn’t work. Our lady is still standing.
OkkyAtty: Thanks for the spanish translation of HILLARY IS FAMILY.
FOX News: National Numbers HRC 47 BHO 37… MOE+-5. Poll taken Jan 30/31
I saw this at mydud:
Yet another Congressman very close to Nancy Pelosi Earl Blumenauer of Oregon has endorsed Barack Obama. In 2003, Blumenauer, a strong progressive voice, endorsed John Kerry.
Does anyone still believe that NP was “shocked” that Sebelius endorsed BO b/c she was selected for the SOTU for her “neutrality.”
New National Numbers:
From Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll:
GOP: McCain 48, Romney 20, Huckabee 19, Paul 5. Error margin: 6 points.
Dems: Clinton 47, Obama 37. Error margin: 5 points
http://thepage.time.com/
HillaryLandRocks: No I do not have evidence, I was just thinking out loud as a possiblity.
National Numbers:
From Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll:
GOP: McCain 48, Romney 20, Huckabee 19, Paul 5. Error margin: 6 points.
Dems: Clinton 47, Obama 37. Error margin: 5 points
thepage.time.com/
I know endorsements do not mean much, but I think that the Clinton Campaign should of waited on some of her early endorses in order to roll them out this week. Because all I read in the news are stories about BO’s endorsements. Who knows, they maybe have some to announce, but the campaign has been pretty quite today.
reed, after yesterday’s wonderful performance by Hillary in the debate, they don’t have to say anything. The focus now is on the local media, not national media as much. She did a round of local TV interviews this morning.
looking at the polls it look s like edwards folks are going for obama. wtf? the race looks tighter to me. i guess hillary has great gotv-right?!
Hillary could be endorsed by St Francis of Assisi in person, and the media would ignore it as they’ve ignored the NY firefighters, the nurses, and Maxine Waters.
TPS,
That is good to hear! I think the local media is better anyway – more people watch the 5/6/10 o’clock news than 24hr news channels.
I think it is just nerves that makes me think about small things like endorsements.
ROTFLAMO! I am sooo gonna steal that hopeum line!
Obama supporter: Wasn’t Barack just brilliant in the debate last night?
Idunno: What? Have you been smoking hopeum??
stupak ,,, michigan 1-202-225-4735
I called him as well. nice office staff as well
Anyone have any poll updates? Jas, I know you must have some!
I watched the debate and I think Hillary won it. However, I really believe that there is another way of answering the question about the Iraq war resolution. I think that her Iraq war vote is totally defensible and I want to get your feedback on this:
Obama, when I voted for the Iraq resolution, the case made for that vote was very credible. It would be easy to say that I regret making the vote and move on. But that wouldn’t be honest. I truly believe that my vote was based on every good intention and sound judgment. The intelligence that was provided to us showed that there was strong indication that there were WMDs in Iraq and it was imperative that we need to find out for sure. While the resolution was titled an “authorization for war”, we know that this is simply necessary diplomatic language that would give us the leverage we need. The pressure of that resolution would have given us all the diplomatic leverage to get the inspectors back in Iraq and really see what they have there.
Now, remember, you said yourself that you wouldn’t have known what you would have voted because you were not there. And that was an honest statement. Here is what we were given. We were given direct assurance from Condi Rice and the White House that this will not be abused and that no military action will take place without evidence that there were WMDs inside Iraq. It was a time of great need for solidarity and unity and we fully trusted that they will act in accordance with the dictates of sound policy and sound intelligence. In a time like that, who would have expected that the Republicans would skew the intelligence reports and renege on their commitment? In a time like that, who would have expected that they will openly lie to us and risk the lives of so many people to further their agenda?
In the end, my vote did not get us to this mess, Barack, but the Republican’s betrayal. And the people of this country will exact vengeance in the next election.
anduril, that is an excellent response…send it to confidential tips…it is very rational and explains just what about every American also thought at the time.
Impressions of participants in NY Times open cacus about yesterday’s debate:
thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/open-caucus-the-la-debate/#more-4087
Patricia Barry, 62, a retired editor from Kansas City, Mo. and a Democrat
I really liked Senator Clinton’s answer about the first Clinton cleaning up after George I, and it would take another to take care of George II’s mess. Also, her response to Mr. McCain’s silly ‘’white flag’’ charge, saying that the Democrats had a more realistic grasp of the situation, including not wanting to stay in Iraq for 100 years.
Why Mr. Obama thinks that he would have an edge in a debate with Mr. McCain because he objected to the war in the first place, I don’t know. The topic would be how we’re getting out, not how we got in.
Julie Horwin, 55, an education consultant and retired teacher, Republican from Scottsdale, Ariz. She has decided to volunteer for the Clinton campaign.
Hillary Clinton was magnificent last night. She responded with certainty, humor and gave me a sense of surety about her leadership of our country. I was impressed with her answer about her vote on getting us into the war. She was clear about why she voted, and the intent and understanding of that vote.
I also liked hearing about her successes for diverse groups of Americans in the past. We can credit her with so much positive change for so many Americans. I am anxious to allow her to hold an office she deserves and where she can continue to work for everyone in America.
Daniel Hoodin, 50, health care executive and Republican from Fayetteville County, Ga.
During the Democratic debate last night, which I watched with my 16-year-old son, I thought Mrs. Clinton came out ahead. The differences in experience came out in how the two responded to questions, and in their ability to articulate, with details, their position.
I did not miss the open attacks on each other, even though they both got in good shots. In this debate they used their differences in strategy to take shots, rather than attack the past records of each other. I am interested in their positions on major issues, their ideas on how to address those issues and don’t mind a candidates approaches changing over time. If a person doesn’t grow with the changing environment, they lose touch and become ineffective.
My son ended up liking Mrs. Clinton better than Mr. Obama, but for slightly different reasons then I did. He did not get to watch the Republican debate, due to homework.
I know..I know …. more damn poll numbers for Connecticut. American Research Group. Jan 30/31 MOE+-4
HRC 48 BHO 37. I readm from the Craig Crawford site.
texan4hillary: which polls are saying Edwards supporters are going to Obama? I think independents would be more attracted to Hillary after last night’s debate (minus the people who won’t forgive her for the Iraq vote). I think a good number of Edwards people are going to go to Hillary unless this momentum the cable networks are helping build have made people change their minds. I don’t know. I think we’re all guessing and hoping that our candidate comes out on top but we won’t truly know anything until Super Tuesday.
hillary won, as per the people I’ve talked with today. she made her case very well and she looked just downright nice.
Yes he’s a big spender all right, but his Threatening the party AGAIN is much more important.
He’s a uniter?
“I am confident I will get her votes if I’m the nominee,” Obama stressed. “It’s not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee.”
This is not his first threat. This quote should be plastered EVERYWHERE.
Back to the money;
Hillary has about 18-20 mil in GE funds as of 12/31. I am going to guess that she raised 15-18 million in January, with about 1/2 that amount for the primaries. She had sat aside funds for 2/5 back in December, according to Terry McC, so she’s probably got around 25-30 MILLION for the primaries after 2/5.
This will not matter much. Barry won’t be coming back to the most delegate-rich state in the union. Barry won’t be winning there, and he knows it, the numbers are INSURMOUNTABLE in Hillary’s favor. New York will be a blow-out too. Those are the two biggest prizes on 2/5 and Barry has already lost them both. Where does his campaign go after losing Fl Ca. and NY? What can they say? How do you spin your claim that you are the one who can win in November, if you can’t win in February?
Today’s exit and ultimatum are the beginning of the end for the Barry campaign; They’re hemorrhaging money, spending it MUCH faster than they can take it in, almost TWICE as fast, and you can’t do that for very long, no matter how much you raise. He (and BM BTW) KNOWS he’s already lost the two biggest Delegate states, and it’s only FRIDAY. How would YOU like to go into the weekend knowing that? It’s like the Giants KNOWING that NE will score TWO TOUCHDOWNS before they take the field, it’s DEMORALIZING, to the campaign and the candidate.
No matter what else happens on TT, The fact that he has lost NY and Ca. brands him as incapable of winning in November. Despite any rhetoric and spin you may hear or read between now and next Wednesday, After
the results are in, and Barry trails by 300+ delegates, TWO things will happen;
1- SD’s will start falling over themselves to join team Clinton, and her delegate lead will go over the 500 mark.
2- Those, “party elders”, will begin a quiet campaign to get Barry to quit in a way that allows him to save face, so that the DNC can start to get ready for the GE. Mark my words today, Barry will not see March come in as a candidate for the democratic nomination, and that fate was sealed when he, (as Albert Hammond sang 20 years ago or more) Got on board a west-bound 747…
JAS,
I don’t really trust ARG after they showed Hillary winning Iowa. Nevertheless, maybe their is truth behind those numbers. Some hopium would help!
3 days to go. just a couple key endorsements to grab the headlines would totally clinch this for her.
dot48, please read the impressions of real voters both Democrat and Republicans about last night’s debate I posted above. I really think that matters more than endorsements at this point.
Realist, thank you for keeping us grounded….things do indeed look good.
Even though Hillary knocked it out of the park last night, and is leading in all the national polls I’ve seen, I am STILL freaking out. Mainly because, though I have always stood behind a democrat , I just can’t vote for Obama. A vote for him would be every bit the disaster a vote for George Bush was. And the debate last night only served to reassure me of that fact. If Hillary isn’t the Dem nom, I’m gonna be screwed.
TheRealist : I agree 100% with you. I saw a site today that estimated the delegate count after 2/5 and it had HRC up 475, I know this is just a wild ass guess, but it was fun to look and dream!!!!
Thanks, dot48.
Idunn: STEP AWAY FROM THE EDGE…. WE WILL SAVE YOU!!!!!!!
Idunn, relax, I am very confident that Hillary is going to do great on Feb 5.
Sherm,
“Obama is skipping California. He is leaving the state with no plans to return before the election on Tuesday.”
And last night on the ABC World News, Stephanopoulos ACTUALLY said:
“Here’s what to watch for on Tuesday night. First of all, if Barack Obama upsets Hillary Clinton in California…”
Nuthin’ like unbiased coverage, eh ?
Richardson Won’t Endorse Until After 2/5
01 Feb 2008 01:11 pm
A Democrat consultant close to Gov. Bill Richardson says that the New Mexico governor will not endorse a presidential candidate until after February 5.
marcambinder.theatlantic.com/
I generally don’t like quoting from Republican Party press releases. But, this is what awaits Obama:
marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/the_rncs_new_way_to_bracket_ba.php#more
The RNC’s New Way To Bracket Barack Obama
01 Feb 2008 02:02 pm
Here’s the headline on a Minnesota Republican Party press release:
“#1 LIBERAL SENATOR VISITS MINNESOTA TOMORROW”
St. Paul- Republican Party of Minnesota Chairman Ron Carey today issued the following statement regarding Barack Obama’s visit to Minnesota.
“In spite of all the feel good rhetoric, Barack Obama fundamentally lacks the experience, leadership and accomplishments necessary to be commander in chief. Given his extreme partisanship, status as the candidate of MoveOn.org and his position as the nation’s most liberal senator, Minnesotans won’t be fooled by Obama.”
the most far left liberal gonna work wth the gop repukes. aint gonna happen.
I think that after 2/5 Hillary will be leading Barack in those 22 states by close to 300 delegates at most. Add the superdelegates and she will be leading Barack by about 400.
tps, those national numbers look nice 4 days out.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Teddy not making waves in East LA (latino area) according to Politico:
“Teddy in East L.A.
Kennedy addressed an Obama rally at East Los Angeles College this morning, introduced with a credential that the campaign hopes will appeal to Hispanic voters: Kennedy and Obama were the only two senators, the campaign says, to participate in the giant May 1, 2006 immigration marches.
“In the streets of Chicago it was our next president, Barack Obama, that marched, and in the streets of Washington, D.C., it was Sen. Edward Kennedy who marched,” said Maria Elena Durazo, a key Los Angeles labor leader.
But the event, at a mostly Hispanic college in a Hispanic and Asian part of town, also served as a demonstration of the ground Obama has to make up here: The crowd seemed largely made up of Obama supporters from elsewhere in Los Angeles.
“I’ve never seen a lot of white people here before,” said Edwin Morales, 25, who grew up in the neighborhood and now studies at Cal State Los Angeles but came back to see Obama.
Morales said he’d supported Edwards but switched to Obama because the two share an ideology: “They’re for the poor, for the working class.”
Kennedy spoke of Obama’s “transformational” potential, and tried out his own Spanish.
“Un voto por Obama es un voto para la gente,” he said, gamely, before offering his joking excuse.
“It’s a Castillo accent — it’s a Castilian accent,” he said, to laughter.”
rickya that sounda about right. she can win half the vote after 2/5 and walk into the nonmination. 400 delagate leads are hard to overcome.
I am going to the rally tomorrow morning at Cal State Los Angeles, WOOT!
Hope to see you there, lninla!
This is my second time seeing her (attended the rally at UC Santa Barbara before NV). She was on message, and VERY pretty in person. She is so obviously the best candidate.
Terrondt, I could feel the momentum shift to our lady during yesterday’s debate. I watched it with my wife and my oldest daughter and they are my impartial soundingboard because they are not as partisan as I am. They loved Hillary yesterday. The loved her line about how it takes a Clinton clean-up after a Bush.
His threat statement is getting him hammered on MSNBC’ s First Read. It isn’t the first time he’s made it either…
TheRealist Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Finally,
BO Q4 raised $22,846,049
spent $40,216,122
on hand $18,626,248
41 million my gosh on what…he spent lotts in sc iowa..NH..nev..omg…will be in debt lotts more if hes elected
HLR lol..HillaryLandRocks Says:
OkieAtty — Herseth is from SD. Why does she have offices in Iowa??i was going did she move no way…i lol..
Here are the contact nrs:
hersethsandlin.house.gov/contact.html
her people are way nice too…i hope hillary picks her for something in her adminstraion..very capable person…
From MSNBC’s first read. This is the information backing up my comment earlier that Hillary did a round of local TV interviews this morning:
From NBC’s Chuck Todd and Domenico Montanaro
Hillary Clinton’s doing a major round of local TV this morning, appearing in several Feb. 5 states: Missouri (Columbia, St. Louis); Colorado (Denver); Connecticut (Hartford); Minnesota (Minneapolis/St. Paul); New York (New York, Buffalo); Arizona (Tucson); California (Fresno, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Sacramento, and Central Valley).
Anduril919 , here is the full text of
(AUMF) – AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ
From http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107
And here is a conservative defending Hillary’s vote and giving more explanation of what she and others thought they were voting for:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/article/view/?id=1336
No Apology Needed
New York Times
David Brooks
The Iraq war debate began in earnest in September 2002. At that point Clinton was saying in public what Colin Powell was saying in private: emphasizing the need to work through the U.N. and build a broad coalition to enforce inspections.
She delivered her Senate resolution speech on Oct. 10. It was Clintonian in character. On the one hand, she rejected the Bush policy of pre-emptive war. On the other hand, she also rejected the view that the international community “should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it.” Drawing on the lessons of Bosnia, she said sometimes the world had to act, even if the big powers couldn’t agree.
She sought a third way: more U.N. resolutions, more inspections, more diplomacy, with the threat of force reserved as a last resort. She was triangulating, but the Senate resolution offered her a binary choice. She voted yes in order to give Powell bipartisan leverage at the U.N.
This is how she’s always explained that vote, and I confess that until now, I’ve regarded her explanation as a transparent political dodge. Didn’t everyone know this was a war resolution? But now, having investigated her public comments, I think diplomatic leverage really was on her mind. I also know, from a third person, that she was spending a lot of time with Powell and wanted to help.
….
When you look back at Clinton’s thinking, you don’t see a classic war supporter. You see a person who was trying to seek balance between opposing arguments. You also see a person who deferred to the office of the presidency. You see a person who, as president, would be fox to Bush’s hedgehog: who would see problems in their complexities rather than in their essentials; who would elevate procedural concerns over philosophical ones; who would postpone decision points for as long as possible; and who would make distinctions few heed.
tps…the truth heard round the world: “it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush” …
Can someone tell me where this idea came from that Ted Kennedy would help BO pull in hispanic voters? Kennedy is a senator from Mass, close to 80 yrs old or something, and didn’t even get himself nominated in 1980. I know some of you on this board are latino. Does he hold any sway with your community?
The Realist:
The threat statement is a desperation move from the Obama camp.
So he is skipping California…..hm. We need to send Bill to Missouri, Wes Clark to Oklahoma, Dolores Huerta and UFW members to Colorado, Chelsea Clinton to New York and Connecticut, Joe Wilson in New Mexico, Madeleine Albright to Delaware, HRC should get as much support in California as possible, and then she should travel to Tennessee, and then go back to Cali
We can also send Bill to Alabama and Illinois. This can be won handily by us. She can blow him out of the water with a 22 state strategy, which we mostly have already.
dot48, agreed, absolutely.
tPS, that quote is awesome hitting Precious for the Moveon endorsment. Anyone know if he has it up on his site yet? I’ve been looking for the Nielsen ratings from last night. No luck so far.
wonder if bm will start to stutter (pun intended) to a stall during this weekend…they surely see the handwriting on the wall and will not want to be made any more donkey rears than they already are..let me know if anyone sees a cooling of the ObamaMadness jets. I simply refuse to give them my time but I’m interested in when they start to spin.
For some reason I keep thinking we will hear the mantra “if he only had enough time to get his message out” … gawd he’s been campaigning for this job since he took oath in the senate.
nikki22, the idea was conceived by the idiots in the meain stream media who all thought that latinos swoon over Ted Kennedy. For them HILLARY IS FAMILY (I like it. Sherm kender and I came up with this earlier in this thread).
I am so angry I’m almost not able to type. That slimeball BO has sent out mailers and has a TV Ad using Harry and Louise to defame Hillary’s healthcare plan. For those of you who don’t remember, this is the same sh*t advertising that defeated UHC in 1993.
We, as a people, need UHC more that we need Slimebama. The latest move will make it that much harder to get ANY UHC PLAN through congress. And what a talking point for the Rethugs in the Fall “Even the Dems are skeptical of Hillarycare”.
Here is the link to Taylor Marsh’s Blog; there is a lot of reaction from Healthcare experts not affiliated with Hillary’s campaign.
http://www.taylormarsh.com. She also has this blog posted at Huffington.
Deep Breath, Deep Breath….. No, it’s not helping. Still furious at Candidate Chicken Shit
Hawk, Wes will be here in OK (Lawton) in a few days. Cameron. Am awaiting time info. And Vilsack will be in Tulsa. The Norman Girls have a good operation and the whole organization is working its collective tail off.
OkieAtty, I never thought by endorsements by Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and MoveOn werre that good for Obama. It made him look liberal and establishment. I am glad that he has followed this strategy. Thanks again for the spanish translation.
hawk, that sounds like an end game plan to me.
I love how these left of center liberals believe their candidate can somehow work with Republicans. Give me a break. Independents are only voting for him because of two reasons: they hate Hillary and they don’t agree with Republicans on the war. How does that make them Democrats? If Obama wants to cater to their needs he should run as an Independent. If he wants to be a liberal Democrat then he needs to face the facts. He will become just as partisan as Hillary Clinton if not more in order to get what we (the liberal Democrats) want to get done while he’s in office. I can’t wait until the day the Republicans trash his reputation then Obama will understand the shit Hillary has had to go through since the 90s.
Cameron= Cameron University. A heavily military town that voted for Wes in 04.
wasabigirl, they are desparate and they are flailing. Only losing campaigns engage in this kind of behavior.
TPS,
That’s a great way to save on Jet Fuel!
HEHS, in fact, I think Hillary will attract a lot of independent women. Media is just spreadign this crap that Hillary won’t get independents. The last LA Times poll indicated that both Hillary and Obama are getting the same amount of independent support.
Hillary also got former Gov. George Nigh’s endorsement today. That helps in McAlester and Little Dixie (the Eastern/SE part of the state). it actually helps all over since he’s so well-liked even today.
yup, reed.
OkieAtty, endorsements from local politicians well respected in their community is much more useful then Teddy jetting into East LA.
healthcare is Hillary’s champion cause. even republicans know that is the one thing that she will get done. Bambi is frustrated and grasping at straws. This is one issue he cannot win on. she has battle scars to prove that she will fight for this.
Okie, can you post Governor Nigh’s phone number please. We all need to give a shout out and let these people know they are much appreciated. I am still calling pledged delegates of Edwards. Seems a few have already gone to Obama…is there a chance this was prearranged.
Also,glad to see Richardson is out till after Tuesday.
The Anniston Star Endorse Hillary Clinton:
http://www.annistonstar.com/opinion/2008/as-editorials-0201-editorial-8a31s3648.htm
(This is the local paper for the city where I grew up in Alabama. It’s located halfway between Birmingham and Atlanta. Not a major paper, but it’s a little hometown pride that they chose our girl!)
MSNBC First Read re: Richardson endorsement:
With Obama in New Mexico today, there’s been speculation that Richardson might endorse Obama. Yet as it turns out, Richardson happnes to be in DC today doing state business, lobbying for an Air Force cyberspace command contract at the Pentagon.
He is NOT expected to endorse today, and his folks are denying the “rumors” that he would be endorsing Obama.
He returns to New Mexico on a 3:30pm flight this afternoon.
And note that Bill Clinton is working him over hard.
At a press conference in New Mexico today, Obama was asked about a possible Richardson endorsement, and Obama said there were no plans of him receiving one from the New Mexico governor. Yet Obama added that he’d love to be pleasantly surprised. *** CORRECTION *** Obama’s presser was in LA; he head to New Mexico later today….
Congrats Reed.
Ask yourself; If BM knew that a candidate was going to lose the two Biggest states on 2/5 and the candidate’s name wasn’t Barry, what would the narrative be this weekend?
LawSchoolDem, see my post earlier from Marc Ambinder about Richardson (he is sitting this one out until after Feb 5)
“Barack Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, has sparked political energy in the country with a speaking style that touches the heart.
Americans long for a president to cut through the fog of partisanship. In these times, the United States could use a healer. Many Americans dream that the senator from Illinois can take them there.
Obama is whistling an optimistic tune, though so far, when compared to his main rivals, it has the substance and specifics of a chewing gum ad jingle.”
My favorite line from their endorse ment.
Exactly Realist, they are trying their best to shore up their guy (the TeddyPalloza this week was all about that). Then came Florida and the Debate.
Wow, endorsements are pouring in…yes, yes, yes.
dot48, She is better on every issue. Not just health care. Painting her as the health care candidate is shortsighted and easily dismissed because of her history.
She is the economy candidate and can beat McCain who admits he knows nothing about the economy better than Precious.
She is the pro-family candidate and unlike McCain kept her marriage together while he was screwing everything in a skirt.
She is the national security candidate more than Precious who starts riots in Pakistan with his ill-advised grandstanding.
She is the diplomacy candidate with ties to nearly every foreign nation.
She is the human rights candidate with a long history of standing up for equality.
She is the pro-military/veterans candidate because she fights for their safety and their families. Precious never has.
She is a leader on withdrawing from Iraq. It’s her resolution to short circuit bush’s attempt to make a treaty on long term troops in Iraq. Not Precious, he didn’t even know what was going on on that issue.
She is the immigration candidate because she has been working on that issue for years and understand the humanitarian, bureaucratic and logistical nightmares a bad policy can cause. Precious has no idea.
So don’t pigeon-hole Hillary. The GOP branded her, big insurance/pharma did in 1994 with a $300 M campaign and like Maya Angelou says, “Still she rises.”
hmmm. I think Richardson has told bambi flat out no. I think he may endorse Hillary as early as tommorrow….just a gut after reading the msnbc first read.
Realist – you make an excellent point.
THE DICK Morris has a hilarious piece on rasmussen today – about Hillary “crashing” in CA ; then he makes the case for BO saying based on the polls, he is going to win this. Then he says McCain will easily beat Romney – but the difference in the poll numbers between the two are in the low single digits. But if Hillary is leading by 10 digits or a little less, shes on her way to losing !! F**k**g jerk !!
dot48, Nigh is a former governor and is in private life. He’s got to be in his 70’s or 80’s now. I think it’s sweet but we ought to leave alone.
okie, you don’t have to preach to me. I was referring to the mailer that obama sent. If you follow my posts here you know that I believe she is the BEST candidate for POTUS ever and that she is the smartest candidate who has ever stood on the presidential debate stage. I am certainly not trying to say she is a one issue candidate…if she were I’d not be behind her at all.
I’m with Bill, she is simply the best we have ever had to choose from.
Also from First Read:
Bill Clinton mentioned Ted Kennedy last night in Phoenix, Ariz., in reference to the “train wreck” of No Child Left Behind, as reported by NBC/NJ last night.
Today, at a rally in Clinton home state of Arkansas, he just repeated the same sentiment, perhaps a bit more strongly. He said that the education bill came about because “the president made a deal with Senator Kennedy.”
Of course, it wouldn’t be Bill without a spoonful of sugar. He added, “Neither one of them meant to mess it up.”
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As the child of two staunch educators, my parents were more enraged with Kennedy for his role in passing NCLB and the assertion by BO and the talking heads that he would drum up support in the Latino community. To tie the two together, note that NCLB has been no friend of Latino/Hispanic advocacy groups and has been challenged in federal court as having discriminatory effects. Tell me again why Kennedy helps sure up the Latino vote for BO . . . he simply doesn’t, he drives them away.
(sometimes I think I should go into the clergy. lmao. I sure get in a groove sometimes.)
LawSchoolDem, very good points about NCLB and Teddy.
OkieAtty, impersonal blogs often lead to mis-understanding of intentions. Having said, that I will be happy to listen to your sermons.
ONE MORE TIME……………….
Lay off knocking Iowa…it makes you look ignorant, not us.
It reinforces the fact you are not reading for learning.
It makes you sound as though you have no sense of history, and you know what they say about repeating it….
It makes you sound…
Well, never mind. Right now I have better things to do than stay on here.
dt, Dick Morris is appropriately named.
gawd he’s been campaigning for this job since he took oath in the senate.
Longer than than, dot48. He’s been campaigning and creating his own myth for this since he wrote his books, “Dreams of Myself” and “The Audacity of Me”
Maybe general clark can use moveon.org to help hillary in AL.
Emjay, who said anything about Iowa, and where? I haven’t seen anything recently.
HillaryforTexas, “own myth” is the right way to describe it.
Now this is fun…
(CNN) — CNN has learned that New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson will watch the Super Bowl this Sunday with former President Bill Clinton in Red River, New Mexico.
Despite the obvious implications for the much sought after endorsement of Richardson, a Hispanic who holds sway in the community, a top Democratic source describes this as “two old friends getting together, and not to be “construed as a coming endorsement.”
Nonetheless, Richardson is not unaware of the power of that picture. The former president has been phoning Richardson “with regularity” since he dropped out of the Democratic presidential race.
Richardson spokesman Pahl Shipley said the office does not comment on the governor’s private schedule.
God I love this site! I’m already starting to feel the chill pill take effect. Keep posting about stuff that is going on. Where have we got people working the crowds? I know that Wes is to be in OK in a few days….anyone know if he’s doing anything today?
LOL! That is sort of funny. Ol’ Richardson is signaling without actually endorsing, the weasel.
Emjay – Was it you who said you had read Hillary’s actual statements when voting for the AUMF? Where can I find those?
Here is a quote from a very good summary by a conservative writer.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/article/view/?id=1336
No Apology Needed
New York Times
David Brooks
She sought a third way: more U.N. resolutions, more inspections, more diplomacy, with the threat of force reserved as a last resort. She was triangulating, but the Senate resolution offered her a binary choice. She voted yes in order to give Powell bipartisan leverage at the U.N.
Also…anyone know where Amber and America are today?
MoveOn. They’re only about raising money for their own pockets. The ‘General Betrayus’ stunt helped Bush push through the ‘Surge.’ They knew it would help Bush — they did it anyway so their lemming followers would send them money. They care more about cashing in on their lemming base than stopping the war.
YESTERDAY IN THE STATES:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5673
I totally forgot that Walter Mondale would be on the trail for Hillary in Minnesota.
Thanks Reed, I never even noticed that section on Hills site.
A Richardson endorsement could come at no better time than before Super Tuesday. C’mon, Bill!
positively, that is hilarious! Obama won’t like that. That is as good as an endorsement.
“Dreams of Myself” and “The Audacity of Me”
Ha! Remember Gilderoy whozit in Harry Potter? Somebody should do a mashup with press asking BO those questions: “What is your favorite color?” etc. And BO muffing the answers, or quoting from his 2002 speech….
admin
Where is Kostner?
wow, i hope it is true about richardson. he would be a coup. hillfans, the excitement is building. im looking for a big supertuesday for hillary. ct is going to be damn close but i feel good about the other states.
Idunn: I knew you would back away from the edge!!!! Life is difficult sometimes… and hard to see the light…. that’s why we are here.
terrondt, I hope we take Connecticut.
Still laughing over changiness.
Hoo Boy….talk about a freudian slip bra and panties.
well…i sent moveon an email and unsuscribed from their list and asked to be taken off of their membership roll…it felt good.
the polls are favorable to hillary, but i remain nervous.
I just couldn’t help but laugh right now after reading several of the comments. I’m glad that Bill is hitting Ted Kennedy back for endorsing Bambi. Kennedy should be ashamed of himself for exploiting his late brother’s legacy to further his own. He has made a ton of mistakes including NCLB. Hey, if Ted chose to turn his back on his long time friends Hillary and Bill then he should expect these sorts of attacks.
I also laughed at Hillary4Texas’ comment:
He’s been campaigning and creating his own myth for this since he wrote his books, “Dreams of Myself” and “The Audacity of Me”
Seriously. He was paid to write his first book because he was the first black editor in chief of Harvard Law Review. He pretends as if his childhood was soooo difficult. Bullshit. I’m mixed and I can tell you that almost every mixed child has a story to tell which often involves their black father walking out on them at a young age. Obama was fortunate enough to be raised by an educated white mother and grandparents in Hawaii. He was fortunate to go to private schools his entire life. So I am unimpressed by his over hyped stories and dramatization of his life in order to pander votes from many black Americans who were actually born into urban poverty and were suffering while he made deals with Rezko. He has such an overinflated view of himself that I laugh every time I read about his fictional stories. I’m sure he’s been planning all of this out since he began law school.
MSNBC First Read calls out Bill on his Ted Kennedy/NCLB comments:
“*** UPDATE *** It is worth noting that Hillary Clinton voted for No Child Left Behind.”
Obama skipping out on California speaks volumes. When you give up the biggest prize in the country, well, that is pretty much throwing in the towel. This guy is fading fast now and will only go faster after Tuesday.
Question:
Dose CT have early voting? And if so, shouldn’t that be in Hill’s favor?
HEHS,
So did a lot of Democrats who were all led by big Teddy.
Denver Post Endorses Hillary:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_8133750
wasabigirl Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I am so angry I’m almost not able to type. That slimeball BO has sent out mailers and has a TV Ad using Harry and Louise to defame Hillary’s healthcare plan. For those of you who don’t remember, this is the same sh*t advertising that defeated UHC in 1993.
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I think we all should get Edwards to say something about this. If he and his supporters care about UHC, they should denounce Obama’s dirty(GoP-like) tactics.
reed, good question? Terrondt, do you know?
reed, that is great news.
Bill Clinton and Bill Richardson watching the football game together. Only good could come of that. Oh, on the Hillary site, the Yesterday in the States thing, they are being smart, like I suggested they woud be. Hill is going to be in Connecticut. Bill will be in Missouri and Georgia. Chelsea in Colorado. Hillary in Arizona comin up. Dolores Huerta in New Mexico, Tom Vilsack and Walter Mondale in Minnesota, all of her great surrogates in Cali working hard. I have a feeling this is going to turn out wonderfully.
Obama debate fact check…
On the subject of illegal immigration, Obama also said Thursday night that he believes “we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation.”
That seems to contradict his previous position. Asked in a 2004 questionnaire, “Should the government crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants as major part of overhaul?” Obama answered “Oppose.
Yay for the Denver Post. They know what they are doing.
redo61, you need an excuse to vote absentee in ct. the wife and i were made”unavailable” from the polls tuesday. my guess most will be voting in person. im going to right my state rep to try to get no excuse voting absentee.
write
Thank you, Denver Post!
Now….where’s our Edwards and Boxer endorsements? C’mon guys…shit or get off the pot.
well here is media’s big storyline for the weekend…bash bill and hillary with no child left behind
great news hawk. they are clicking on all cylinders for the last push. team hillary has been planning supertuesday for a year. they will have the organazation in place to turnout the vote.
Oprah Bitch is back again! Cannot stand that woman. The nerve to campaign again for Barack after all the backlash is disgusting. This woman should be sent home!
Oh, I meant to mention that I spent a good part of the morning on Hill’s site trying to answer some of the independent and undecided voters questions. One came from a Native American, and while I wasn’t able to answer his questions specifically, it sure was great to be able to refer him to the Navajo President Joe Shirley Jr. endorsement posted on her site.
Thank you, Joe Shirley!
Oh this is rich!
http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/01/fox-news-poll-clinton-seen-as-ready-most-likely-to-do-anything-to-win/
They give it to her, but try to find some stupid slant to take away from her clear win. LOL!
Oprah who?
Secret: Oprah is back? I haven’t heard anything about her. Will she be in California? I can’t stand her either. She has no shame. She probably really does want to be vice president. I also read that she might be doing this to run for senate in Illinois once Obama becomes president (in her dreams!). This bitch wants to take over the world.
ok, I called Edwards office and also left a message on his website requesting him to lend his voice in denouncing Obama’s GoP-like tactics distorting facts about Hillary’s healthcare plan.
You can also contact John Edwards for President at:
Phone: (919) 636-3131
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# pm Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pm
wasabigirl Says:
February 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I am so angry I’m almost not able to type. That slimeball BO has sent out mailers and has a TV Ad using Harry and Louise to defame Hillary’s healthcare plan. For those of you who don’t remember, this is the same sh*t advertising that defeated UHC in 1993.
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I think we all should get Edwards to say something about this. If he and his supporters care about UHC, they should denounce Obama’s dirty(GoP-like) tactics.
Once Richardson endorses, fingers crossed, others will I predict. Hopefully that endorsement will open up the floodgates on endorsements. I am talkin Edwards, Biden, Dodd, the whole works.
Edwards’ healthcare advisor said it was wrong, but it would be cooler coming from Edwards himself.
I’ve been calling my own national, state and party representatives here in Texas, urging them to support and endorse Hillary if they have not already. If they are a Democrat, they are getting a call from me.
PLEASE DO THIS IN YOUR STATE. You can put in your zip and find them here:
http://www.vote-smart.org/
Senator Winfrey, that is disgusting.
My favorite part of the Denver Post’s endorsement:
“Clinton is well prepared to oversee a careful disengagement from Iraq and to serve as the military and diplomatic leader of the free world. She served with distinction on the Senate Armed Services Committee, where she mastered the intricate details of national and international security. Obama has no comparable experience on military or diplomatic issues.
If Iraq is America’s most pressing foreign issue, health care is our most serious domestic problem. Clinton led the ill-starred 1993 fight for health care reform. She learned from her past mistakes and was a key architect of the successful Children’s Health Insurance Program. Now, Clinton’s plan for universal health insurance is far more comprehensive than the hit-and-miss proposal put forward by Obama.”
Great job HillaryforTexas, many thanks and best.
Lord what I wouldn’t give to be able to counter Barack’s Oprah with Hillary’s Leo Dicaprio.
One can always hope, I guess. He sure looked immersed in thought at the debate last night.
Hillary’s madonna?
Not as good, imo. Leo carries ALOT of weight with environmentalists. Not to mention Al Gore.
The Bolaños Brothers Endorse Hillary Clinton for President
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5675
Oprah is a true bitch. She has shown no respect for her viewer’s sentiments. Bloody bitch! Cannot stand her. Who the F**k she thinks she is? She thinks the American Presidency is one of her “Favourite things” to give away to her “Favourite senator”??? That is disgusting!
Go bitch go to your 30 odd million dollar home at Santa Barbara and leave us alone. Go away!!
any bump from oprah is over. they came to see her, it didn’t really seem to help him anyway so I’d not worry too much about it. the mo with o is over
reed061, the Bolanos brothers were formerly in Richardson’s camp endorsing him. That’s good.