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February 17, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Hillary Clinton Wants To Accomplish On Her Trip Overseas

10 Exchange U.S. dollars for currency that's worth something

9 Win respect defeating Japan's top-ranked sumo wrestler

8 Shift world's perception of America from "hated" to "extremely disliked"

7 Personally thank all of her illegal campaign donors

6 Three words: stylish Indonesian pantsuits

5 Visit burial site of revered Chinese military leader, General Tso

4 Get drunk with that Japanese finance minister guy

3 Convince China to switch from lead-tainted products to mercury-tainted products

2 Catch Chinese screening of Benjamin Button entitled "The Strange Adventures of Freaky Grandpa Baby"

1 Pick up carton of duty-free smokes for Obama

February 16, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Abraham lincoln Would Say If He Were Alive Today

10 "Sup?"

9 "I see Madonna's still a slut"

8 "Who's that handsome sumbitch on the five?"

7 "Is that free Grand Slam deal still going on at Denny's?"

6 "I just changed my Facebook status update to, Tthe 'ol rail splitter is chillaxing'"

5 "How do I get on 'Dancing with the Stars'?"

4 "Okay, Obama, you're from Illinois, too. We get it!"

3 "Hey Phelps, don't Bogart the weed!"

2 "What's the deal with Joaquin Phoenix?"

1 "A Broadway play? Uhhh, no thanks. I'm good."

January 28, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard at the Meeting Between Barack Obama and the Republicans

10 "I miss the Clinton administration when we'd meet at Hooters"

9 "Can we wrap this up? I've got tickets to the 4:30 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop"

8 "Smoke break!"

7 "You fellas really need to take it easy on the Old Spice"

6 "Mr. President: don't misunderestimate the Republicans"

5 "Another smoke break!"

4 "What was the deal with Aretha Franklin's hat?"

3 "About that tax the rich stuff -- you were joking, right?"

2 "Sir, it's refreshing to have a Chief Executive who speaks in complete sentences"

1 "Senator Craig's offering his stimulus package in the men's room"

January 27, 2009 - David Letterman - Top Ten Ways Rod Blagojevich Can Improve His Image

10 Star in new television series, "America's Funniest Haircuts"

9 Quit politics and become a fat, lovable mall cop

8 Start pronouncing last name with Jerry Lewis-like "BLAGOOOYYYJEVICH"

7 Offer a senate seat with no money down, zero percent interest

6 Team up with John Malkovich and Erin Brockovich for hot Malkovich-Brockovich-Blagojevich sex tape

5 Change his name to Barod Obamavich

4 Safely land an Airbus on the Hudson River

3 I don't know...how about showing up for his impeachment trial?

2 Wear sexy dresses, high heels and say, "You Betcha!"

1 Uhhh...resign?

January 16, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Signs Obama's Getting Nervious

10 New slogan: "Yes we can... or maybe not, it's hard to say"

9 In moment of confusion, requested a $300 billion bailout from the bailout industry

8 He's up to not smoking three packs a day

7 Friends say he's looking frail, shaky and...no, that's McCain

6 He's so stressed, doctors say he's developing a Sanjay in his Gupta

5 Been walking around muttering, "What the hell have I gotten myself into?"

4 Offered Governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, $100,000 to buy his old Senate seat back

3 Standing on White House roof screaming, "Save us, Superman!"

2 Sweating like Bill Clinton when Hillary comes home early

1 He demanded a recount

January 8, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Barack Obama Plans To Fix The Economy

10 Encourage tourists to throw spare change in the Grand Canyon

9 End our dependence on foreign owls

8 Sell New Mexico to Mexico

7 Put a little of that bailout money on the Ravens plus 3 at Tennessee. Come on! It's a mortal lock!

6 Rent out the moon for weddings and Bar Mitzvahs

5 Lotto our way out of this son-of-a-bitch

4 Appear on "Deal or No Deal" and hope to choose the right briefcase

3 Bail out the adult film industry -- not sure how it helps, but it can't hurt

2 Release O.J. from prison, have him steal America's money from China

1 Stop talkin' and start Obama-natin'!

January 7, 2000 - David Letterman - Top Ten Things Overheard At The Presidents' Lunch

10 "Sorry, you're not on the list, Mr. Gore"

9 "If Hillary calls, I've been here since Monday"

8 "Laura! More Mountain Dew!"

7 "You guys wanna see, 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop'?"

6 "Call the nurse -- George swallowed a napkin ring!"

5 "Hey Barack, wanna go with us to Cabo in March? Oh that's right, you have to work!"

4 "Kissey kissey"

3 "Obama? I think he's downstairs smoking a butt"

2 "Did you ever see a monkey sneezing?"

1 "I hope Clinton's unbuckling his belt because he's full"

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The Best Debate Ever

Let’s continue the discussion of the South Carolina knife fight debate here.  Wow.  Most amazing debate. 

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401 comments to The Best Debate Ever

  • Berkeley Vox

    A phenomenal, historic debate. If you’re a politics junkie, then you got a true treat. Hillary was spectacular tonight, and that was a heavyweight battle.

  • mj

    I don’t understand, it seems like she had the best answers on Iraq, health care, and the economy, but then everyone is saying she didn’t play to the audience. Surely the audience cares about those issues?

  • AmericanGal

    I wish they would get to the independent voters and what they thought

  • OandrewD

    This debate did 3 things to HURT Obama
    1)Hillary Brought out Rezko as a response to an attack
    2) Brought up the present votes and was backed by Edwards
    3) Destroyed Obama’s healthcare plan from both sides

    I think the best part was the Healthcare debate. Followed by the exchange on the present votes. Third the part about being tested and vetted against the republicans.

    It really shows the differences in these candidates. For me this is not there are 3 good Cadidates just pick one it is about the differences and picking not just one of the 3, but THE BEST. This debate proved that Barack is not the best.

    Also did anyone see Maya Angelou? She looked stunning.

    rise Hillary RISE

  • texan4hillary

    when is this repeated on cnn?

  • rigso

    Hillary had an unfriendly audience, but I don’t think she will win S.C anyway. The national Feb 5th states, she did very well in terms of that, UHC….

  • AmericanGal

    I don’t think they had a very astute panel on CNN.. They keep saying the same thing over and over..

  • pulchritude

    one has to hand it to hillary: cite the article published yesterday in the opponent’s hometown rag; mention it today during the debate; wait for the media to discuss it tomorrow.

  • Everyone needs to email the DNC about Obama’s national ads airing in FL. Either have the ads pulled or lift the campaigning ban and seat the FL delegates.

  • mollyjrichards

    My question same as T4H, when wil this be repeated.

    Knife fight. LOL admin.

    I think Hill might do better than people think in SC but I am the lone voice here I realize

  • rigso

    I know this is shallow, but Hillary has got to work on her demeanor during debates, she has to come of more cool headed and not…. forgive me…….. shrill

  • Paula

    rigso, She almost always debates in front of unfriendly audiences, lol.

  • mj

    rigso, I’m soryy, I don’t find her shrill. This is Hill. Take her or leave her. She is a strong woman.

  • AmericanGal

    rigso, in my opinion she was the most cool headed one there. Not shrill

    I watched the replays with Obama and he comes across very angry and harsh.

  • skmf12

    well i ended up at open left, and wow they are crapping their pants, and ofcourse she and bill are destroying the democratic party ect ect ect…

    NICE !!!

  • mollyjrichards

    Berkeley Vox: “A phenomenal, historic debate. If you’re a politics junkie, then you got a true treat. Hillary was spectacular tonight, and that was a heavyweight battle.”

    I agree completely. I swear, I love that gal. She already is commander in chief. We just need to catch the country up.

  • rigso

    I guess Obama supporters are hypocrites, after complaining of Booing last time, they do it themselves, I’m glad the Hillary people didn’t do that in return, actually look at the little scuffle though, Hillary was right every time, she just needed to present it better. Any talk of Clinton/Obama just died

  • skmf12

    MOLLY YOU ARE NOT THE LONE VOICE,

    people just don’t want to jinx it here…

  • pulchritude

    The audience responded warmly to Hillary when she discussed her political wounds. I hope the media mentions how Obama was the first to utter ad hominem statements about his opponents.

    “your major contributor Rezko and his slum landlord business.”

  • mj

    rigso, I think you are a little hard on her. Her job isn’t to out nice Obama.

  • rigso

    MJ, ill take her! I love Hillary, but I think she came off a little uneasy, so did Obama, Edwards gained by seeming more cool than both…

  • rigso

    The rezko thing was great, I wish the audience hadn’t booed it!

  • mj

    Edwards lost by coming in 4% in NV. I doubt he’s considered viable anymore with many voters.

  • filbertsf

    “shrill” lol. I never thought I read that word on this site. Do you guys describe men as “shrill?” Why is that word used almost exclusively against Hillary?

    Gimmeabreak.

  • filbertsf

    CNN is unprofessional in allowing audience reaction. MSNBC at least made it clear that no reaction from the audience is permitted.

  • wbboei

    One of the CNN panelists is from KIRO news (Seattle), and he made three excellent points: that Hillary succeeded at the national level ( in re. February 5), Obama suceeded at the South Carolina level (as expected), and Edwards did best in the debate on the merits which may keep his candidacy alive. Halperin weighed in, agreed and said he thought the Clintons had gotten inside Barcack’s head.

    If that assessment is correct then I think it was a highly successful debate from a strategic standpoint–just as we needed. And if some undecided voter wakes up tomorrow morning and asks himself who is Rezko he will soon learn that there is more to the story than working five hours for a slumlord in a law firm.

  • texan: It is supposed to be replay at midnight central time after larry king.

  • metered undecided voters thought Edwards won by staying out of the bickering, half said they will end up voting for Obama because edwards does not have a chance to win.

  • carbynew

    Don’t be surpirised if Hillary win SC at the end of the debate Hillary applause was just as loud as Obama.

    Don’t fall for this AA split on the Clintons…Bill and Hillary are very, very popular in the AA community and the audience as paying attention. Some of Obama answers were not going down with the audience, especially Healthcare, his voting record, his flip-flop on Iraq…Obama has tells and if this was poker he would have crapped out.

    I don’t believe anything CNN pundits have to say, they don’t know this audience at all. Obama people are the one that didn’t look happy at all.

  • AmericanGal

    One thing about this debate…if there is a stock market drop tomorrow it probably won’t get as much coverage as it would otherwise.

  • anbritt

    i had my apolotical siser and bro in law watch ..sis says bho got a little sweaty and hot…bro was suprised that hrc was calm..thinks that they both decided to settle down..my sis says that she believes that hrc let him know that she would go toe to toe with him. sis thinks edwards gets an a, hrc an a- and bho a b. Says it bothered her because she sees that bho just is not ready…bro in law says same thing..he really likes bho..may still vote for him because he is a brother…sis says will not vote for him..liked edwards but has no chance so will vote for hrc..but we live in socal so no effect on sc

  • rigso

    filb, i meant more along the lines of that’s how it will be seen… you can’t argue with the fact that her voice has an unsteady pitch, these things matter whether they should or not. and she should work on it… I’m sure she’s been told the same thing by her closest advisers

  • Paula

    I wonder if Obama will change his strategy knowing that Hillary is concentrating on Feb. 5. He’ll be spending time in SC trying to run up his margin while she’s cementing her leads (we hope!) in Super Tuesday states.

  • mj

    Whatever, rigso. I think Obama has a snob sound to his voice. Big deal.

  • filbertsf

    Well, I guess I’m in the minority. I love Hillary’s voice. High or low.

  • chaz356

    Edwards as the opportunist we all know he is senses BHO could be in trouble thats why he went after him to night,
    Trust me people He knows if Barack loses SC which he will then he is still alive.
    SC is it for BHO no other state will have race as a central issue like SC

    To all my fellow AA peeps we can do better than Obama

  • Paula

    Me too, flibertsf.

  • rigso

    Don’t mean to offend, im 100% behind Hillary, but I do think these things matter…
    paula, I agree, Obama faces the danger of having a win in S.C, great… but when it comes to Feb 5th, he will lose big!

  • MJS

    i MUST compliment the obama camp on one thing tho…
    if u look on their website, they posted a response to each attack THE MINUTE that the attack was launched…prbbly to keep their fanboys happy that their illusion of Barack remains somewhat intact.

    We all know Obama lost.

  • Paula

    MJS, FactHub on Hillary’s site had that as well.

  • mollyjrichards

    We are seeing what I’ve know for years which is that among many AA women, race trumps gender. I am seeing this on CNN, and I have had many AA women tell me this over the years. It seems the women they are interviewing are not giving Hillary credit for her experience. Do they know what her experience is? It appears not. And this is bad. And it was bad that BO made that Walmart crack.

  • jr

    If somebody could make a movie of Obama trying to snake himself out of the bankruptcy bill. Absolutely priceless. Hillary explained herself and why she voted for it and how in the future she voted nay.

  • mollyjrichards

    rigso, his stuttering bothers me more than the pitch of her voice. I guess it just points up that people see things differently.

  • mj

    Ok, she put the best clips on her website, and Obama’s body language when she talked about the diverse field was dismissive.

  • chaz356

    Some comments on CNN

    Coby Giles of Fort Payne, Alabama
    I think that Obama is a great speaker and is very motivational, but he is not ready to lead this country. He never engages in Q&A sessions after his speeches from what I understand. If you can’t be upfront and answer the honest questions from the American voters then you can not stand up against or with the republican party to bring this country together and move us forward

    Matt Steele of Ann Arbor, Michigan
    I am definitely warming to Hillary Clinton because she’s showing how she can fight. Barack Obama is going to drop in the polls because he is losing his charm. I am still a big Edwards supporter, because he was always a fighter, he cares about what we’re supposed to care about. This squabbling that the media and Obama and Clinton have brought to a boil is not going to help Obama or Edwards in the general election.

    Edward Soto of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
    Obama planned to come to this debate with arms swinging. He stooped to a level that I am frankly surprised with. The shot on Clinton as a lawyer with Wal-Mart was extremely low and personal. He has lost my vote.

  • Statement By The Clinton Campaign On Senator Obama’s Violation Of The Early State Pledge
    The Obama campaign today began airing paid television advertisements in a national cable buy that include advertising in the state of Florida. There is no question that these ads are a clear and blatant violation of the early-state pledge that Senator Obama and the other leading Democratic candidates signed last year.

    The early state pledge was crystal clear in its prohibition against any kind of campaign activity (outside of fundraising) in states that do not adhere to the DNC calendar. There is no ambiguity. Among the list of prohibited activities are “electronic advertising that reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state.” (According to Nielsen, there are 6,6 million TV households in Florida that receive CNN through either local cable systems or satellite dishes. This represents 92% of all Florida TV households.) The Obama campaign knows this, but has chosen to violate the pledge regardless.

    Just last week the Obama campaign snubbed the people of Florida in a memo that stated that Florida did not matter in the nominating process. After consecutive losses in New Hampshire, Michigan and Nevada, they appear to be changing course.

    Senator Obama’s flagrant disregard for the pledge that he signed is disturbing and calls the integrity of the pledge into question.

  • mollyjrichards

    Yes, I love Hillary’s voice as well. More than that, I like the fact that she is so brilliant and so ready to be president. And I appreciate that fact, too. I would love nothing more than having HRC as President. I would sleep better at night.

  • mj

    molly, don’t just take the word of people when they are on tv. I’ve read that focus group respondents on tv, will often just answer how they feel they are expected to answer.

  • OandrewD

    SC will be interesting to see now. The CNN “experts” claimed Hillary was catering for Feb 5 and Obama to SC. I find that not true at all. One example is when Hillary mention black incomes in the Clinton presidency vs. the Bush one. Issues such as Healthcare, economy, and national security affect every state and to say that Hillary’s great points on those issues – especially her great performance on Healthcare- do not play in the minds of SC voters is absurd. Hillary did well for Feb 5 no doubt, but there is SC and FL before Feb 5, not to mention a superbowl, a stock market which is going down tomorrow, and many other news stories that come before that time. By saying she didn’t appeal to SC is selling short her performance tonight. And the crowd reactions outside the one Booing was high for Hillary. I see this week with this debate, the possible drop in the stock market, the new found attacks from Obama on Bill, hopefully Rezko getting more play, as all positives for Hillary and SC could be another upset.

    My only concern is the focus getting to much on Bill. He is a HUGE asset, but the stories should center around Hillary.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I think that some in SC may actually respect her for having to balls to not treat “the black
    guy” with kid gloves in that environment and in front of that audience.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I think people are smart enough to see that someone with REAL
    respect for you and your community will go after you just they would like any other opponent. Smiling
    and sucking up all the time is a sign of not really taking you seriously. If I fight with you, I
    take you seriously. I think that many in the AA community might appreciate that, truth be
    told.

    Maybe some of our AA Hillfans can weigh in on this, because I’m curious. But it would seem to me the kid glove approach is sort of patronizing, and going toe to toe is a good move.

  • mj

    Indeed, I met a number of african american women in NH and from NY who were the strongest Hill supporters. They are under alot of pressure. I would not just assume that.

  • MJS

    actually, Obama’s camp posted these replies on their blog. Which gets more viewerships than factcheck and allows for supporter input in how they saw the attacks.

    very smart, but only as a hindsight method. They clearly know that they are doomed in the national race.

  • mollyjrichards

    mj, you have a good point here. People often do mirror back the answer that they feel they should be given, or that is expected of them.

  • mollyjrichards

    should be “giving” i meant to say.

  • texan4hillary

    sorry guys i missed the debate! will it be on cnn 12am cst???

  • another_reader

    about walmart, well, far as i know when hill was on that board, they were not the huge company they are today, one, and two, she caused big time trouble for them forcing them to diversify and they sure didn’t like it. good for her

  • MJS

    i bet u anything that CNN is laughing their asses off. They got the fierce debate that Russert was trying to prod out of the candidates last week

  • chaz356

    People say it like it is what BHO did with the FL ads speaks to his character as a person, he is a liar and sleeze ball
    He did not denounce his 527 in NV for the same reason.
    I am tired of this PC as far as BHO is concerned

    No race is owed the POTUS job you have to earn just like anyone else

  • Paula

    OandrewD, I think this debate guarantees she’ll be front and center again, lol.

  • Emmy (formerly known as emkay)

    Good night, y’all. It’s been great following your comments. I got bumped off for a while when trying to post something. One thing i have to say: I REALLY hope most Democrats will rally around the eventual nominee. Basically I hope BO’s people will rally around Hillary. Do you think that is possible?

  • HillaryforTexas

    MJS, too funny. Timmeh was frustrated he got no fireworks he tried so hard for, and quiet nice Wolf got them instead. Poetic justice! LMAO! :-D

  • mj

    I, personally, think Walmart has too much control over the market. However, I wonder how walmart bashing plays to SC audience. Walmart sells 40% of all non-auto consumer goods in this country, is the single largest grocer, and has a market share of 65%. Walmart bashing doesn’t play to all democratic audiences.

  • CJ

    my jaw dropped rezko slumlord hillary saying slumlord that i laughed…..but i went oH OUCH EEE OUCHY

  • Paula

    Emmy, I do (except for some off-the-wall Obamabts). Obama has pledged to support the nominee, as has Hillary.

  • mollyjrichards

    I do think, as some have said above, that we have to wait and see before we will know how this debate affected the SC vote or the feb 5 states. I think that Hillary made the decision to fight back aggressively tonight and I think it was the ONLY way to go, given all that has transpired this past week. That was an ugly shot he took at her about “walmart” because it is so dismissive of all that she has done in her life, early in her life as a young adult, before he was even out of elementary school. And her answer was entirely appropriate and you can bet that it planted a seed with people about Rezko and that won’t go away. But it was very important for her to be tough tonight. The media talks about her being good cop and Bill being bad cop. She had to be the informed, tough cop tonight and she did that. She stayed articulate and didn’t lose her cool. His stammer got worse as the night went on and his body language was horrid. He couldn’t look at her…he looked at the floor.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Pffffffffffffft! I lived my whole life in SC until recently. South Carolinians do not give one rat’s ass about WalMart, and shop there every day. Chicago Obama has no idea about SC. He’s pure tee ignorant about it. Very few arugula latte Volvo Democrats in SC. :-)

  • another_reader

    am i seeing a lot more aa’s and women on cable news panels in this campaign? it seems like that i hope they don’t go back to mostly white guys club (no offense but usual political panel is not representative). cnn panel right now is really good, not rude like chris matthews hardball

    about walmart, many many parts of the country esp rural it is not fashionable to bash walmart, not at all, it’s not like you love it but no where else to buy groceries and the prices are what most people can afford, its a luxury to buy elsewhere. my hometown is like that, i dont love walmart but the small businesses were already gone anyway from when they built a mall and the factories shut down. everybody shops at walmart.

  • another_reader

    if you want to attack walmart dont attack people who work there or shop there, but talk about how everything you buy at walmart is imported from china. then you have an issue i think. people start to notice that, my mother always buys stuff at walmart but notices every time that most everything that isn’t food is imported from china, nothing made in the usa any more.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Yep. I don’t like WalMart either, but in poor communities or rural (like much of SC) people have no idea, it is not of concern to them. They go where they can buy the diapers and the lightbulbs and the groceries cheap. They don’t have the luxury of being all offended and politically pure.

  • mj

    yep, another_reader, but when she worked there, their motto was “made in america”.

  • AmericanGal

    I can’t wait for tomorrow to see how the dialogue continues. I bet Obama will be attacking all day under the delusion that he won the debate. Bill C. will be ready for him.

    Where is Hillary campaigning tomorrow? Isn’t she going to the southwest?

  • AmericanGal

    Forgot to add…when Rezko came up with Anderson Cooper and the panel during the post debate discussion he said something about “5 hours of work for a church” and didn’t seem to know much about it. They didn’t even discuss it much. I hope that changes after tonight. It appeared that all Cooper knew was that minimal information provided by the Obama camp. The MSM sure doesn’t do it’s job anymore considering that anyone with a computer can find the whole story and vast amount of details in a matter of minutes.

  • OandrewD

    Things just keep popping in my head and I have to share them with someone. Edwards did amazingly well tonight and every news site is saying and will say it. Does that hurt Hillary? Well I think its the same Iowa thing. If Edwards wins SC it greatly benefits him and Hillary (not Obama). We keep saying if Obama loses SC he is done (that probably isnt the case because he has a ton of money), but now it looks like he has two opponents in SC not just one. I have not seen up to date polls and I would really disregard any that came before this debate because it was Huge, but I think John will most likely gain support in those polls now who it takes that support away from I don’t know (the so called “anti-Hillary” voters, Obama’s presumed AA voters, or Hillary’s core Democrats and women). Point tho I THINK an Edwards surge in SC hurts Obama much more then it hurts Hillary.

  • HillGuy

    Everything about the WalMart comment worries me. BHO’s tone, the audience’s response. I’m not gonna lie, for the first time I am concerned. You know that moment is going to be a YouTube hit with BHO’s ignorant, spoiled, college fan base. And sadly, even though she mentioned Rezko, nobody knows who he is yet. Everybody knows WalMart treats their employees like shit, and I am concerned.

  • Americangal,
    they will not talk about anything they know nothing about. give them a few days to read the Sun Times and tribune.

  • CJ

    .and hft…and when bo said down state ILLINOIS >.thats not true all the rest of Ill DOWNSTATE..know how corrupt CHICAGO IS….and they want it to stop..I have been born there raised there ……Hillary is from ILL.its her homestate she will give him a run for the votes for her..and she has lots of support from rockford all the way down…to ST LOUIE.there not uninformed .. suntimes chi tribube is distributed all downstate..they all know about it…

  • mollyjrichards

    on wal-mart bashing: this is where you can see a cultural divide and a geographic one in America, I think. Wal Mart started in Arkansas. In many small town counties and towns, it is a place that provides affordable products and income for people. That said, it has been called on the carpet for certain corporate practices, like a lot of corporations. But WalMart is often held up as sort of the “worst offender” With that comment, Obama was pandering to the anticorporation progressives. It never seems to get pointed out that his wife has a corporate job, as a corporate lawyer with a major corporation (the U of Chicago Medical Center).

  • mj

    HillGuy, no one cares about the walmart thing. That was twenty years ago and like I am telling you most americans not only shop at walmart, they like walmart.

  • another_reader

    i’m not worried about the walmart comment. again i think it shows more.. elitism basically from obama. his voters already don’t like walmart. whatever. i think probably most voters see walmart bashing as an elite thing, i look at this.. the only place you can buy affordable things is walmart, does obama say you are supposed to feel guilty about it on top of it?

  • I hate to say this, but Obama’s gift of deflecting the conversation from him is showing up on this site since we are now talking about walmart.

  • tiburones

    I believe that this debate won’t change anyone’s opinion who have already made a choice. I think that the undecideds are the ones who mostly can benefit from this debate to do some research or and absorb the information from the canidates to help them decide who they will vote for.

    AA vote

    IMHO, I don’t think that Hillary will move more than 5pts in either direction after this debate. I think that race will trump gender and experience and they will fall in line and vote for Obama.

    Edwards/White vote

    This is what will more than likely affect her poll#s. If the white folks in SC deem him viable, some of her poits may be shaven off, if they don’t view his as viable then she stands to haver her poll #s go up. However, I firmly believe that OBamba will win SC.

    Hillary will win Fll and then on to Tsunami Tuesday where I think that she will carry the large states and come out with more of the dlegates.

  • mollyjrichards

    mj is right, the WalMArt quote is going to be meaningless to most of the constituents in SC. Well, many constituents in SC aren’t going to be anymore antiwalmart than I am which isn’t enough to swing a vote. In fact, some may see this as just a disparaging comment and not read “walmart” into it.

  • mj

    rjk1957, no kidding. How dare anderson copper. Is he so freaking uniformed that he does not know that Obama returned 40K on Saturday?

  • texan4hillary

    is there some videos of obama’s sneering at hillary-he seemed nasty at times now that im seeing it.

  • wbboei

    I seem to recall that when Hillary was on the Wal Mart board she pushed for women’s rights.

    And what has como se lama Obama done to advance the cause of women’s rights then or now nunc pro tunc baby.

  • hwc

    Anyone who thinks regular Americans don’t like Walmart obviously didn’t do any shopping there before Christmas. That giant sucking sound you hear is the shelves at Walmart being picked clean by people who love shopping at Walmart.

    Typical latte-drinking limosine liberal attack from Obama. Half the people in American were probably turning to each other and asking, “what’s wrong with WalMart?”

  • mj

    wbboei, yes, and she set up the first environmental task for. Wal-mart is now seen as the leading retailer in green stores, and praised by greanpeace for their work in this regard. That task force Hillary set up is considered to have fostered that ethic.

  • mollyjrichards

    i don’t think Omega thinks womens rights are worth talking about. I really sense he’s comin’ from a bad place when it comes to women.

  • I know she returned a campaign donation from walmart because she disagreed with them over some policy, not sure which one.

  • Berkeley Vox

    I couldn’t believe she used the word slumlord either! Good for her — she was really letting everyone know that she wants the candidates evaluated on their records. She kept hammering that theme — it’s their records, not their rhetoric — over and over, and it resonated.

  • mj

    It’s also the natios largest single employer.

  • HillGuy

    LOL wbboei… como se llama Obama… lol

  • mollyjrichards

    Right Berkeley, She said, ACTIONS over WORDS. She said it very clearly near the beginning of the debate. I think it was during the first exchange.

  • Joe Friday

    Nightline called it “THE BRAWL IN SOUTH CAROLINA”.

    BTW, I’m sick of Bambi claiming he is responsible for the large voter turnouts. If HE were the reason for the large voter turnout, then why did he lose the last three states in a row ?

    Oh, and Terry Moron claimed that Clinton and Obama SPLIT the states of Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada. Two to one is not a SPLIT, not to mention it is THREE to ONE.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I think the same, molly. He comes across very “throw the dog a bone” when speaking of gender issues. Like he really could care less about sexism, but is sticking it in there to make the stupid ladies happy. That is my feeling.

  • mollyjrichards

    Yes, mj, which is why it is so freakin’ ridiculous as holdin’ WALMART out as the greatest of all corporate evil. I’m tellin’ you it went right over most people in terms of his actual intent.

  • mj

    Well, look at his body language on the clip on Hill’s blog when she talks about the diversity on stage and how MLK Jr. would have felt about that. It’s extremely dismissive.

  • CJ

    i bet all them people leave will go online to fine REZKO///you bet they will…but as she said that they went to audience and the black lady in yellow i read her lips…she says omg she said it and was smilling and happy about it…maybe her family or someone she knows was victim of no heat

  • I think every time Obama says President Clinton he is sending an unintended subliminal message to the voters. President Clinton…. President Clinton…. President Clinton….Keep saying Barack it will stick in voters minds…

  • If I see this freaking Obama ad on CNN one more time I am going to explode!!!!!!!!

  • Kentucky_mkt

    1.) BHO attacking on Wal-Mart will only increase HRC’s popularity in AK, a Feb. 5th state.

    2.) HRC contrasting on Rezko will only decrease BHO’s support in IL, a Feb. 5th state.

    3.) Everyone else just heard this:

    BHO: “HRC you are bad.”
    HRC: “BHO, no, you are bad.”

  • mj

    I just feel a little disappointed that women in SC are not rallying around Hill like they did in NV, MI, NH. She is simply head and shoulders the best qualified candidate, and she is more progressive than BO. This is a huge opportunity for women in this country.

  • tiburones

    Regarding my comments about AA women, this is confined to souther states. I think that she will do better with AA women at states in larger, urban cites i.e NY, NJ, CA, etc.

    Particularly in the south where the male role seems more stronger, I believe that race will trump gender. I didn’t like CNNs after debate converage because it seemed to be a free commercial for Obama. Why weren’t they interviewing the other 50% of SC registered voters, who are white?

    It’s clear to me that the Clinton’s have conceded SC and there is nothing wrong with that. I thhink that they have made the strategic decision to dispatch her where it matters and to conserve limited resources. I gurantee that we will see a Mark Penn memo on Friday severely downplaying her expectiations in SC.

  • Berkeley Vox

    As James Carville says, “if your opponent is drowning, throw him an anvil.”

    Hillary’s filleting of Obama’s public record was downright surgical tonight. When he came after her, desperate to start an argument to shake up the dynamic of the race, she responded in full force: Rezko, voting present, praising Reagan, ties to lobbyists, weak on foreign policy, and unvetted.

  • Larry King Smack down in South Carolina.

    Larry will dig into the Rezko thing. I hope

  • HillGuy

    Why the hell does Hillary not have HER commercial ad all over CNN? I hate Obama’s ad.

    She has more money than him! Hillary, please air some f*cking ads. Now. What are you waiting for? Spend the damn money for christ’s sake.

  • mollyjrichards

    mj, Don’t give up on them yet. A lot can go on in the privacy of the voting booth. rjk: I have thought that for a while…LOL…it has a nice ring to it doesn’t it?

  • mj

    Relax, HillGuy. He’s running an ad introducing himself. Everyone knows Hillary.

  • Hillguy read my post at
    January 21st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

  • mollyjrichards

    the rezko comment felt like a slam dunk.

  • hwc

    There doesn’t need to be a Mark Penn memo. Hillary isn’t even going to bother campaigning in South Carolina. There’s no point. The African American vote is going five to one to Obama.

  • mollyjrichards

    or an overhead smash

  • HillaryforTexas

    Hillguy, Obama broke the agreed to rules by placing that ad. Hillary’s team just found out today. They will hit back, no worries.

  • Canaan

    “With that comment, Obama was pandering to the anticorporation progressives.”

    Yeah, he’s been reading Daily Kos. I don’t know what Wal-Mart is supposed to mean. The Zogby polls always ask if you shop at Wal-Mart, I have no idea why they ask that. I know what a slumlord is.

    And yes, I think it’s incredibly patronizing and embarrassing for Kennedy and Emanuel to protect Obama in the middle of a campaign. I’ve never seen such a thing. ‘Please don’t beat up on him too much.” It tells me if Obama were elected, he woudn’t be running anything.

    Is the irony lost on Obama? Last week he accused Hillary of saying Dr. King needed a white man’s help — which she never said. Now, Obama really does need Kennedy’s help to keep Big Dog off his ass. Pathetic.

    I can see Kennedy saying to all the candidates ‘chill out’, but singling out one candidate for protection? And this guy is going to be President?

  • mollyjrichards

    Hillary we want to see your commercials on CNN.

  • Maybe she can come out with a humurous Ad for the Super Bowl.

  • mollyjrichards

    Yes, Obama, preemptively decided to make that ad buy to try and run from behind in Florida.

  • mj

    Ok, but are people that interested in identity politics over issues? Hillary is the first presidential candidate to commit to fully funding schools on the federal level. No president has done this. It would dramatically help SC, which has some of the worst schools on the country. She’s got UHC. She’s got smart but strong FP. She’s fully engaged and commited to no permanent bases in Iraq. I mean she is just so much ahead of the crowd, and don’t we need that right now? I still find it perplexing, especially for women with whom atleast, she does offer something in terms of identity as well.

  • mj

    This was in response to HWC.

  • mj

    I have to take his word for it because he was right about the booing.

  • AmericanGal

    Survey USA Poll Florida 1/21/08

    Clinton 56%
    Obama 23%

    Hillary whites 60% Obama 16%
    Hillary Hispanic 74% Obama 9%
    Hillary Black 25% Obama 69%

    I hope that Hillary shows ads in Florida as well or at least makes a campaign stop there even though she is ahead. Obama shouldn’t be allowed to violate the agreement. On the other hand, do any of you think this may have been a ploy to get Hillary to use up some resources in Florida?

  • mj

    AmericanGal, no. I think it is about delegates.

  • Kentucky_mkt

    OMG, this is fun!

    Pause the video after Hill does the Rezko smack down. You will notice John Lewis, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, and Sheila Jackson Lee applauding. It comes off as though they encouraged her to bring up that story.

  • meiyingsu

    it will take a few days to know that who won tonight’s debate especially how the Rezko will play out.

  • I don’t often give Hillary advice, but I think she needs to IMPROVE HER PRESENTATION OF HER HEALTH PLAN, THE ‘MANDATE’ THING.

    Imo she needs to begin such answers with something like, “Romney’s plan in Mass is giving health care plans a bad name. Taht’s a GOP version, here’s my Dem version (fill in the right details). LEAD with the low-income worst case end:
    “If you can’t afford health insurance or just haven’t bothered to choose one yet, and you have to go to the emergency room, you will get treated — and someone will show up to AUTOMATICALLY enroll you in Medicare or in the same plan that Members of Congress have, or whichever is best for you. If you’re already on disability or eligible for [name some other programs] then you don’t have to pay for this either. You get enrolled free under a 100% subsidy. etc etc.”
    Imo she needs to emphasize the positive side of how her plan will work for low income people. Obama was making some good points about people (in Mass? Romney’s state?) being fined for not having insurance and preferring to pay the fines because the insurance was more expensive than the fines.

    For some low-income people who really can’t afford health insurance, this ‘mandate’ could be a deal-breaker if not presented right. I guess it’s too late for her to change ‘mandate’ to some other term, but that might help.

  • hwc

    Ok, but are people that interested in identity politics over issues?

    Yes.

  • mj

    1950democrat, she has won the mandate argument. They polled people and 68% of the country agrees with the mandate, including about a quarter of Repubs and most Dems.

  • another_reader

    no politics during the super bowl! :)

    cnn gop analyst saying that hillary will explode if you push her buttons (not true), and we’d see that vs mccain, is she kidding? mccain has possibly the most explosive temper in the senate

  • What a fantastic debate. Extremely interesting for many different reasons. I think some of the Obama people are becoming less enamored with him everyday and as he gets more attention, he is clearly faltering. Hillary went for the kill tonight. Great job Hill and you gave yourself a great chance to win SC tonight. Your campaign is doing a great job right now, keep it up.

  • mj

    You guys need to quit worrying about how Hill presents issues. i never worry about that.

  • HillaryforTexas

    another reader, rumor is she already took that overseas trip with McCain, and she drank his ass under the table doing vodka shots and was the last one standing while he crumbled into a stupor. :-D

    She is one tough broad!

  • mj

    hwc Says:

    January 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 am
    Ok, but are people that interested in identity politics over issues?

    Yes.

    Well, that wouldn’t bother me as much if Obama was the candidate of the working people, but he’s an elitist from an elitist crowd.

  • mollyjrichards

    Nope, me neither, mj. Hillary has, hands down, the clearest explanation of issues I’ve heard. That said, it brings up an important point about the word “mandate.” IT is not a word with good connotations. It is often paired with “unfunded” (as in no child left behind). And I would steer away from it if I could. The idea that you are required to have health insurance (mandate) always needs to be accompanied by the justification for this and the fact that those who can afford it will be able to get it, either through tax credits or through a program that’s an extension of medicaid. There is room for misunderstanding, here.

  • HillGuy

    The reviews of Edwards’ performance tonight are stellar. I hope he doesn’t make up too much ground before next Saturday. We can NOT finish 3rd in SC. Not an option.

  • mj

    So, it’s a bit disappointing, but then I do think that given that Hill is the best candidate in temrs of knowledge of the issues and experience, women should consider the fact that they would also be supporting the first democratic woman president.

  • mollyjrichards

    I hadn’t heard that about McCain and Hillary and the oversees trip. But I remember when they took their trip to Alaska together–took a bunch of their colleagues, I think. But it was a study trip on climate change. They were watching glaciers melt. I remember thinkin’ at the time, “they are going to be running for President against each other.” It is just so clear to me that Hillary is in a class by herself. She is a true democrat and a fiscally responsible one at that. A pragmatist and a visionary. But Omega? He is just not ready for prime time. And he’s got some stuff working on him, from the inside out and from the outside in. Those sorts of things really make me fear a BO presidency. He is frankly too immature.

  • tiburones

    Survey USA Poll Florida 1/21/08

    Clinton 56%
    Obama 23%

    Hillary whites 60% Obama 16%
    Hillary Hispanic 74% Obama 9%
    Hillary Black 25% Obama 69%

    I hope that Hillary shows ads in Florida

    Wow,look at that Hispanic vote for Obama. They are not even considering him. At least sshe gets a 1/4 of the Black vote. I live in Fl and have lived in South Florida and Central FL. The South is blue and central especially around the I4 corridor i.e Tampa/St Petersburg and Orlando is red. There are a mixutre of Hispancis here, Cubans in the south, mostly Puerto Ricocans in the Central part. If this trend holds, she should easily do well in NY, NJ, CT, TX, AZ and perhaps CA which I do htink will be vigoroulsly contested. Excuse my spelling but I can’t see what I’m typing.

    Both Hillary and Obama seems not to stand each other. I don’t see a VP slot for Obamba.

  • mollyjrichards

    Finishing 3rd is not an option. mj I think the themes of making history and becoming the first democratic woman president need to be reinforced. I am going to do some calling tomorrow. I don’t know if it will do good but I want to try.

  • mj

    I think it can’t hurt. We all need to stay vigilant here. I thought Hill did the best tonight because even whne Edwards does well he is dead man walking. He proved himself non-viable in NV.

  • mollyjrichards

    I have a friend who is a prof in FL. I will write him tomorrow about HIllary. I know he is leanin’ that way, but I’d feel better if he and his wife heard from me again. I also have a former student at a FL university. I need to connect with her. I’ll see what feedback I get.

  • mj

    Hillary’s make-up looked great tonight.

  • mollyjrichards

    Yes, he is only in SC, mj, cause it’s his “home” (well, one of two). He’ll pull part of the anti-Hillary vote. I thought Hillary did best, and BO worst. The latter just can’t express himself. He is mean, though, gees. And arrogant. John got positive reviews tonight because he was in the moral high ground…that’s the perception. He came off as being above it all.

  • timjcain

    the stammering has become much more pronounced

  • mollyjrichards

    I thought Hill looked fantastic tonight. And she was on her game. Out there and loaded for Bear. She had to engage. She had no choice. She had to show herself to be as “tough” as Bill. She had to show herself as no-nonsense. She had to set the boundaries. It was sayin’ to him, Push me, and I will push you harder.

  • skmf12

    Sen. Hillary Clinton, Democratic presidential candidate, will visit Salinas on Tuesday to formally receive the endorsement of the United Farm Workers union and to hold a townhall meeting, according to local Democrats.

    HILLARYS WORK THAT LATINO VOTE HERE IN CALIFORNIA FARM WORKER COUNTRY… :)

  • mj

    Really, watch the clip where Hill says King would be proud to see the diversity on stage. Obama seems exasperated. I can not fathom why.

  • mollyjrichards

    GO HILL. Might have to explain to BO who the United Farmworkers are, in case he’s not old enough to remember.

  • HillaryforTexas Says:
    McCain, and she drank his ass under the table doing vodka shots and was the last one standing while he crumbled into a stupor.

    I’d believe it! Let’s make some posters, like in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARC, putting HIllary’s face on Marian!

    I already want a poster like in Star Wars: Vote Princess Leia! Restore the Republic! If Edwards comes on board, he can play Luke, and Bill can be Chewbacca.

  • mollyjrichards

    mj, That’s in the last half (30 minutes) that I didn’t get to see…was on a campaign conf call.

  • mollyjrichards

    LOL…we all know who darth is

  • mj

    It’s posted on Hill’s campaign blog.

  • CJ

    oh there gonna show the debate again im watching again

  • As for BO ‘stammering’, I see it more like he’s forgetting his memorized lines. Look when he does it — right in the middle of a phrase or sentence.

    You can see that most of the time facts and issues are a foreign language for him, he has to reach in his reciting memory and fake it. While it’s native to Hillary, she lives that stuff.

    As for BO for VP — I don’t think Hillary would do that, he’s not ready and it would make both of them look cheap. I’d love it if she found some older Black as VP, that would really wipe BO out. Too bad Barbara Jordan retired.

    I think she should make BP ambassador to Indonesia or somewhere: he could look good and do nice speeches (and maybe learn a little about grown up foreign relations).

  • mollyjrichards

    Okay I watched those clips. They couldn’t have been better. The “making history” clip about how Dr. King would feel was very good. I think Dr. King would see it exactly that way. He, too, was a pragmatist as well as a visionary. He’d be the first to admit that he couldn’t do the things he did in terms of changing this country if it hadn’t been for political leaders and Presidents. BO does look very put off during that clip. That’s what I meant earlier…his body language is incredibly negative toward her. The important point is, she never let up, or let in. She stayed right in the match. She continued to speak well and effectively throughout the debate. Nothing through her off her stride. Which person would you want facing off with the dictators around the world? Which person do you want in charge when this country is in crisis? To me, it’s a no brainer.

  • mj

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/109.aspx

    Have you all seen this video? Chelsea is exceptional at explaining Hill’s health plan. Really, this is a great video.

  • 1950
    I do not think he would accept VP even if it were offered. He is so ambitious that taking the VP would mean in all likelihood he would have to wait 8 years to run for President again.

  • mollyjrichards

    I’ll go look at that mj, thanks for pointing it out. Since you brought it up, I want to say how much I’ve been impressed with Chelsea. Both her parents worked so hard to give her a “normal” life and to protect her from all the crappy part of being raised in a fish bowl. It can’t have been easy, but she’s just comes across so confident, articulate and self assured. I can remember seeing her when the family left for DC from Little Rock after Bill was elected to the Presidency for the first time. This image was so touching and it’s just frozen in my mind. They were all saying their goodbyes publically at the airport with a platform and mike and all that. Right as they were getting ready to head for the plane, Chelsea ran over and gave this friend of hers a big hug and it was like oh boy the world is changing now…Her folks must be so proud. She’s such an asset to the campaign.

  • meiyingsu

    rjk1957, if Hillary picks BHO as VP, they will lose in GE. She need a hwavyweight not a lightweight. People are talking about Hillary will lose some AA people in GE but I am sure she will pick up a lot of new voters including Latinos who voted for Bush in 2004 and lots of Asia Americans.

  • mollyjrichards

    I’m with Pres. Clinton. I think the general will look relatively “easy” compared to the primary whcih is getting as dirty as any campaign I’ve seen in years. Here we have demos treated each other like repugs and demos. Dirty tricks, anomosity.

  • timjcain

    SNL would have had a field day with the debate

  • Anduril919

    I do not think that Hillary will lose any AA votes in the GE. That is not a given. She may lose some enthusiasm among the AA which will translate into lower turnout but I don’t think that the AA’s will suddenly decide to vote republican if Obama loses the nomination. But even this loss of enthusiasm on some of the AA’s will be very small, I think.

  • mollyjrichards

    I don’t look for the Rezko thing to go away. I think that BO might not be available for VP because he’ll be busy being deposed and investigated.

  • mollyjrichards

    do we have transcripts of BO’s comments about the repugs and their ideals and Ronald reagan.

  • Southern Born

    Sorry but I could not get on earlier tonight. Still can’t get to the comments section very often. So to Grandmother, I saw Claire and was not pleased. We worked hard for her in 2006. I don’t think she will have the support she had then…not from me either.

    Seeing lots of warm, fuzzy, an informative ads on St Louis TV stations for Obama. NONE for Hillary. He is getting his message out there…HEALTH CARE FOR ALL. Our Dem US Senator Claire MCCaskill is in one of the warm and fuzzy segments telling how wonderful BO is. Makes me want to puke everytime.

    HILLARY NEEDS ADS NOW IN MISSOURI. BO’s message is getting through and sticking.

  • mj

    Anduril919, nah. She won’t lose turn out and enthusiasm will be sky high to get rid of Bush especially with if not an african american, a Clinton. If you look at polls even in SC Hill’s fav’s among aa’s is in the 80′s just a couple points behind BO. It is not that they don’t like Hill. And, women of all stripes will be very enthused in a GE for Hill regardless. Someone at leftcoaster noted Mondale only got about 10% of aa vote in the primary with jackson, but 90% in the general against Reagan. So, no, I don’t worry about that.

  • mollyjrichards

    BO is desperate.

  • Anduril919

    mj, that’s good to know.

  • tiburones

    http://www.nytimes.com

    Patrick Healy writes about the debate….said that Obama looked angry etc.

    The one thing that a commentator said tonight that seems correct is that Hill and Bill have gotten into Barrack’s head. He took the bait like Taylor said and by trying to go toe to toe with her, it knows him off his game where he can’t espouse hope and change.

    To this end, I think Team Clinton wins.

  • mj

    Anduril919, yeah, the media is really pushing this divide. It’s bs.

  • Southern Born

    Barack reminds me of one of my stubborn little first graders. When confronted with the truth or real situation, he always shook his head and said, “That’s not true” or “Nah-uh” or “They’re telling lies about me”.

    I wish someone would do a video of Hillary or JE presenting a “fact” and then BO doing one of his little first grade body language and verbal denials then the back up fact presented to show how he lies.

    I hate to say this but as far as the debates, we know he does not tell the truth but others may not see it. I think minds are already made up in SC and getting made up here in Missouri NOW. The Rezko thing zoomed right over the head of some of our friends and family…they said, “Oh, it was a church thing” and that was it. I hope that blows wide open soon.

    WE NEED ADS HERE NOW FOR HILLARY. BO is cornering the market and they are warm and fuzzy ads that are making good impressions.

  • mj

    You know, he just attacked BC because he had to give back that 40k and he wanted to push it out of the headlines, which he did. I think that is why Hill brought it up.

  • mollyjrichards

    That dismissive church group line about Rezko is going to come back to haunt him.

  • CJ

    arent those ads expensive…where is he getting all that money..for florida on cnn msnbc..mo..geez

  • Clinton, Edwards hold private post-debate meeting
    Posted: 10:36 PM ET
    MYRTLE BEACH, South Carolina (CNN) — What were they talking about?

    Hillary Clinton and John Edwards met privately backstage following a very contentious Democratic presidential debate in this coastal city, sources with both campaigns confirm to CNN.

    The meeting took place in the Edwards campaign green room.

    One of the sources said the meeting happened by chance and the conversation consisted of light chatter. The source added that Clinton did jokingly take a jab at Edwards about his beating up on her during the debate. In fact, the real fireworks were between Clinton and Barack Obama.

    An Edwards source noted that it was not surprising the two senators met backstage.

    “That happens back there,” said the source, who said it has happened “more often” with Obama. “It’s tight quarters – we’re all on top of each other.”

    The question is — with only two weeks before Super Tuesday — what else was discussed?

    – CNN’s Candy Crowley and Mike Roselli

  • 1957 – I hadn’t thought of that! Hillary/whoever wins 2008 — and in 2012 BO challenges her for the nomination! LOL! HIm and Nader and Keyes….

    And, yeah, I’d like to see that moment from the NH debate when she asked if he had lobbyists on his team and he turned away and looked down and said “No.” I’d like to see that played over and over, with words running across proving that he does have a lobbyist co-chair.

  • mollyjrichards

    Maybe Rezko sent him some money, CJ, or gave him a raise in his allowance

  • pulchritude

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/22/11049/2664

    truthteller2007 performs a fact check on the Rezko exchange.

  • HillGuy

    Sadly, most people will accept BHO’s (false) explanation of Rezko. This is because most voters are too lazy to research anything like this.

    Hillary is apparently not spending money on ads in states like AL and MO. I pray this doesn’t come back to haunt her.

  • CJ

    lol molly..ya never know..hes a crook..lol

  • mollyjrichards

    Good to know about truthteller2007′s fact check.

  • No race is owed the POTUS job you have to earn just like anyone else -
    chaz 356.

    eat this, barack.

  • CJ

    imagine44 Says:

    January 22nd, 2008 at 2:06 am
    No race is owed the POTUS job you have to earn just like anyone else -
    chaz 356.

    eat this, barack.yeah ya big whinning baby …5 hours work OH come off of it BO America isnt stupid..

    i had to look over there,well some are for hillary my mouth dropped…you guys might wanna go read some if ya have the chance calling bo crybaby to..

    blog.johnedwards.com/story/2008/1/21/20255/2294#commenttop

  • Waaah! She can’t hit me back! She’s a girl!

  • As for running against TWO Clintons, Hillary and Bill … well, that’s how many Clintons we’ll have back in the White House next year. Twofer, doing the people’s business.

  • pulchritude

    “slum landlord business”

    i love it.

  • CJ

    watching this debate again,while sitting,bo ramble s rambles i didnt understand a word he said..in circles in cricles … and them 2 just look at him,sit there,he drives me nuts its one subject to something thats out in the air..preaching ,his lines are mixed up…,ahh..lol..

    That why I like her Hillary is the best she earned her way…if the media dont vet well its up to her…and its only right all the crap she ahs taken.
    Thank you Hillary for fighting for us.

  • texan4hillary

    have people finally rebelled against msm?blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/01/the-end-of-momentum.html

  • adkriech599

    God I love her. I’ve seen the part where she bitch slaps Obama with the Rezko bit like 10 times now.

  • Psymac

    Ok, I’m back! Only missed the last 10 minutes of the debate I think. Great comments all, especially Hillary going national with this debate. I also thought she looked great, subtle makeup as well (Clinique vs Maybelline), she looks better more natural IMHO.

  • Kingsgrove

    I couldn’t believe she mentionned Rezko! :D It’s a whole new world now! BigMedia has to follow up.

  • Berkeley Vox

    I missed this news item over the weekend: Obama is FINALLY going to return the Rezko-tainted donations, his campaign announced on Saturday. They are clearly worried about this story. It’s only going to get bigger over the coming weeks, as it moves closer to trial:

    CBS News online:

    “Obama’s campaign said Saturday it was giving to charities more than $40,000 from donors linked to Rezko. In 2006, when charges against Rezko were made public, Obama gave $11,500 in Rezko contributions to charities. “

  • Kingsgrove

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8025.html

    Bill Clinton jabs playing well with voters

    By: Ben Smith
    Jan 21, 2008 07:06 PM EST

    So maybe Bill Clinton isn’t quite so far off-message as we had assumed.

    After two weeks of reports on the former president’s temper, the former first lady’s supposed inability to keep him on script, and the ostensibly dire impact on his legacy, Hillary Rodham Clinton has won two straight primaries.

    If there are Democratic voters who share the assessment that he’s a “liability” to the campaign — a term floated by outlets from The New York Times to the London Telegraph — this reporter and many others seem not to have found many of them. And though Clinton’s original, improvised attacks on Sen. Barack Obama discomfited some inside his wife’s campaign, they also seemed to hit their mark.

    The campaign has settled on a new strategy: Turn Bill loose.

    “There was a recognition that he has a huge megaphone and he can deliver a message in a way that breaks through,” said a Clinton strategist, who insisted on anonymity. “The press corps certainly has Clinton fatigue, but a Democratic primary electorate certainly does not.”

    The logic is clear. Bill Clinton’s approval rating stood at 79 percent among Democrats in one CBS poll this summer, and interviews with voters in the early states often find Democrats saying that her access to her husband’s advice is a key reason for supporting Hillary Clinton.

    “While some observes have warned the campaign not to allow the former president to ‘steal the limelight,’ [Bill] Clinton has the ability to validate the candidate and launch aggressive push backs on [Hillary's] opponents, including those of us in the media,” said Donna Brazile, a former Clinton aide and CNN commentator who was recently one of his critics.

    He’s “a beloved figure in the Democratic party,” she added.

    What’s still unclear is whether Bill Clinton’s performances on his wife’s behalf could wear thin over time, either with Democrats or in a general election contest, and possibly amplify complaints that her presidency would reprise the 1990s rather than look forward.

    For now, there is one sure sign that his words are having their effect: Now Sen. Barack Obama, after absorbing the former president’s assaults with a sort of bemused silence, has chosen to engage him.

    “One of the things we’re going to have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he’s not making statements that are factually accurate,” Obama said Monday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

    The press and the Beltway establishment have famously misjudged America’s view of Bill Clinton in the past, writing him off during the sex scandals of the late 1990s that left his job approval ratings higher than ever. The latest variation on this theme came at Dartmouth College on Jan. 7, when in response to a student’s question Clinton laced into Obama’s record and the press coverage of it.

    News media accounts suggested Clinton was becoming unhinged at the prospect of his wife’s defeat. Inside her campaign, there were some who feared the media was right.

    “That was decided in his head — there’s no one telling Bill Clinton what he should strategically go out and do,” said a senior Clinton campaign official.

    But the former president’s comment — that the media had created a “fairy tale” version of Obama’s record on Iraq — got wide coverage in New Hampshire and around the country, in ways that previous efforts to challenge Obama’s preferred storyline had not.

    “It cut to the chase, and crystallized their primary line of attack on Obama,” said Dan Gerstein, a Democratic political consultant who isn’t aligned with either candidate. “They’re doing a little good cop, bad cop routine.”

    Clinton has delivered a series of attacks on Obama, beginning when he told Charlie Rose that electing Obama would be to “roll the dice.”

    But he has principally been the spokesman for two lines of attack:
    That Obama’s record on the war in Iraq is impure; and that Obama’s union allies in Nevada tried to intimidate workers into supporting him.

    In Hanover, Clinton said, “It is wrong that Sen. Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year.”

    Obama accused Clinton of making statements that “directly contradict the facts,” but Clinton’s words have more often dragged Obama into complicated, nuanced turf and away from big picture clarity. On the question of support for Iraq, for instance, Clinton accurately quoted Obama saying “in 2004 you didn’t know how you would have voted on the resolution” authorizing the invasion.

    At the time, as Obama has since explained, he was defending the Democratic nominee, Sen. John Kerry, who had voted for the resolution.

    In Nevada, Clinton echoed something that was certainly on the lips of some casino workers: that the Culinary Workers union was improperly pressuring its members to support Obama. No evidence emerged to suggest the union had broken any law, and the union denied anything other than energetic campaigning.

    On “Good Morning America,” Obama also complained that Clinton had quoted him saying that “only Republicans had had any good ideas since 1980.”

    Clinton had attributed to Obama, in Nevada, the statement that “the Republicans have had all the good ideas” in recent years, citing Obama’s remark that the Republicans “were the party of ideas” for much of the last 15 years. But Obama qualified his words by adding, “in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom.”

    “He was making it up and completely mischaracterizing my statement,” Obama complained.

    Clinton’s aides, meanwhile, are happy to see Obama debating his own stances with the former president, and say they’re amused by what they see as media handwringing.

    “People should take a deep breath here and remember that President Clinton enjoys stratospheric popularity and trust among Democrats, and he’s also a pretty darn talented campaigner, and the campaign couldn’t be happier to have him on the stump,” said Jay Carson, who has been a spokesman for each of the Clintons this year.

    There’s no clear polling data on the impact Bill Clinton’s words have had on his wife, or on himself.

    But there’s some evidence that he’s beginning to draw down his political capital, noted Mark Blumenthal, the editor of Pollster.com, who cited a CBS survey taken after the New Hampshire primary, which found him a “net positive” for the campaign.

    The poll asked voters whether “Bill Clinton’s involvement in Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign” makes them more or less likely to support her. Thirty-nine percent said it made them more likely, and just 13 percent less likely — but the group finding it less likely had almost doubled from a survey the previous month.

    The shift in Bill Clinton’s role — from silver-haired statesman to attack dog — has drawn warnings that he’s compromising his legacy and his stature. But what better way to defend his legacy, he has apparently concluded, than getting his wife elected president?

  • Berkeley Vox

    The most genuinely hilarious moment of the debate (quoting from memory, not verbatim):

    Obama: “But I’d have to see Bill Clinton dance before I know if he’s a brother” (laughs)

    Hillary: (feigning exasperation) “Oh, I’m sure that can be arranged!”

    LOL!

  • texan4hillary

    i wonder-is sc really a tighter race than we are lead to believe? some i know in the aa community tell me they are voting for hillary but wont tell their spouse or the public. why? bc there is a aa solidairty thing going on, but in reality there are more women aa s for hillary-they aint telling pollsters though

  • Psymac

    Yes, texan4hillary, I think its going to be much tighter. A lot of people will vote very differently from what they think others want to hear.

  • clintondem99

    Looks like MSM still does not want to talk about REZKO. What is wrong with these guys.

  • alcina

    good morning boys and girls

    what a night..what a debate. had to crack the single malt @ halftime to calm my racing heart.

    let the chips fall where they may in SC. the proverbial cats are outa’ the bag. try herding thems cats, mr.BO.

    hillary rodham clinton, love ya’, girl. can’t wait for florida and tsunami tuesday.

  • clintondem99

    Great article:

    Ask Not!
    Why Obama is No JFK
    By Ted Widmer
    ——————————————————————————–

    ohn F. Kennedy is not running for anything in 2008, but you’d never know it. A front-page photo in the New York Times recently showed his electability in Serbia, of all places, where local candidates are vying to establish their credentials as the latest citizens of the New Frontier. Back in the U.S., no candidate has captured the reflected glory of JFK more than Barack Obama, thanks to his youth, eloquence, and message of change. The Kennedy-Obama parallel has been played up by the press, and Obama’s campaign has not discouraged those comparisons—indeed, it has brought in Ted Sorensen, JFK’s talented speechwriter, to make speeches and render the judgment of history.

    But the comparison falls short when voters consider the key question for 2008: foreign policy experience. It’s true that Obama, like Kennedy, is a youngish senator (at 46, three years older than Kennedy when he ran for president), but the parallel falters after that. The more one looks into Kennedy’s lifelong preparation for the job, the more one realizes how misleading it was, then and now, to describe him as inexperienced. Everyone who has stressed Kennedy’s youth, from Dan Quayle in 1988 to Obama today, has bumped up against the uncomfortable fact that JFK was an extremely well-informed statesman in 1960. As Lloyd Bentsen reminded us in the zinger that pole-axed Quayle, the truth was a lot more complicated than the myth.
    Kennedy, of course, was a decorated veteran of World War Two, which he fought in the South Pacific. But before and after the conflict, he had acquired travel experiences that most people take a lifetime to accumulate, richly detailed in biographies like Robert Dallek’s An Unfinished Life. His father was ambassador to the United Kingdom in the pivotal year 1938, and young Kennedy was in the audience of the House of Commons as the Munich deal was furiously debated (the experience shaped his first book, Why England Slept). As a young man, he made American officials uneasy with his relentless desire to see parts of Europe and the world that few Americans ever encountered. In 1939 alone, he took in the Soviet Union, Romania, Turkey, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Greece, France, Germany, Italy and Czechoslovakia. As the war was ending, he attended the San Francisco conference that created the United Nations, filing seventeen dispatches for the Chicago Herald American.

    He maintained this lively interest in world affairs as a young Congressman. In 1951 he went on two extraordinary journeys, the first a five-week trip to Europe, from England to Yugoslavia, to consider the military situation on the continent. Then, a few months later, a seven-week, 25,000-mile trek that included Israel, Iran, Pakistan, India, Singapore, Thailand, French Indochina, Korea and Japan. It was this trip, in particular, that awakened a sense in him that the old colonial empires were doomed, and that the French effort to keep Vietnam was especially futile. In the aftermath of his trip, he gave speeches that ridiculed the French (and by extension, the American) position, and proved that he was no simplistic Cold Warrior. In 1957, he continued to chart a maverick’s course with a deeply-informed speech on Algeria that criticized France and the U.S. for trying to sustain an unsustainable conflict against an insurgent population. It infuriated both Democrats and Republicans, and France, a NATO ally at the time, was enraged—but obviously he was correct.

    Critics and admirers alike have generally neglected the full extent of Kennedy’s early experience. But clearly it shaped him profoundly, and each journey deepened his portfolio. Further, each trip empowered him, and gave him the confidence to swim against the tide, a trait that would prove essential in the presidency. While dedicated to veterans and certain core principles of American defense, he also showed, well before his election, a growing skepticism of the extremes of Pentagon thinking. Perhaps most impressively, he found the courage to reject the knee-jerk isolationism of his most important backer—his father, Joseph P. Kennedy.

    To be sure, even with all of that training, Kennedy showed inexperience during his early months in the White House, including the disastrous decision to invade Cuba’s Bay of Pigs, and his ineffective performance at his first summit with Khrushchev in Vienna. But he soon righted himself, and returned to the independent judgment that he had acquired during his long and literal journey toward the presidency.

    Of course, travel does not instantly translate into electability—if it did, Geraldo Rivera might be president. But it’s an important consideration, especially for a candidate like Obama, who is running against an array of Democratic contenders (Biden, Dodd, Clinton, Richardson) who have far more first-hand experience dealing with issues of foreign policy and national security. And compared to Kennedy, Obama’s record of world travel is quite thin.

    Like Kennedy, Obama did spend some time in his youth living in a foreign country. And because that country, Indonesia, is both Asian and majority Muslim, Obama can—and does—claim to have a unique perspective on a region and a religion that increasingly command Washington’s attention. But it’s worth noting the considerable differences between Obama’s and Kennedy’s overseas experiences. Kennedy lived in Europe, then the geo-strategic center of the world, as a footloose young man who had front-row seats at momentous diplomatic dramas, thanks to his ambassador father. Obama lived as a boy in Indonesia—a big, fascinating country, but not central to U.S. global strategy. If that childhood experience had a genuine impact beyond teaching him the obvious truth that the world is diverse, then he needs to make it clearer how he will translate that knowledge into sound policy.

    As an adult prior to wining elective office, Kennedy continued to see the world, including from the helm of a PT boat. Obama’s campaign has implied that the candidate traveled extensively before assuming office, but so far has resisted appeals to provide further information. Given the prevalence of the Kennedy comparison, Obama’s travels have become relevant enough to be made public.

    Like Kennedy, Obama has taken several long trips as a lawmaker—through the Middle East, Africa and the former Soviet Union. But there is one noteworthy gap in Obama’s itinerary: except for a brief stopover in London, returning from Russia in 2005, he has apparently never been to Western Europe since launching his political career. What renders this gap especially surprising is that Obama is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Europe. Not only has the Senator not visited the region his committee oversees, but as Steve Clemons of the Washington Note has observed, Obama’s committee has not held a single policy-oriented hearing since he’s been chairman. Europe may not be the central playing field it was in Kennedy’s day, but it remains essential to the global set of alliances and relationships that the U.S. needs to cultivate in the new century. In fact, there is no place where it will be more urgent to rebuild bridges. As Obama knows, the United States cannot do it alone—and Europe will need to play a supporting role in whatever strategy the next president articulates.

    It is encouraging that Obama has several times displayed what his campaign calls independence, expressing his disapproval of the Iraq war in particular. But disapproving Iraq is not exactly independence—it is more or less the standard line on the left, and quite different from developing a nuanced third position, which was Kennedy’s strength in the 1950s, as he steered between the hand-wringing of Stevenson liberals and the mindless conservatism of many Democrats and Republicans on the right. It’s true that Obama threatened to bomb Pakistan, a position that most people on the left would find scary—but that is not the kind of measured solution, tough but practical, that most of us associate with JFK. In fact, it is a rather extraordinary lurch to the right, like an involuntary tic, that most on the right would actually disavow. It is difficult to see how a bombing run over Pakistan would do anything to help anyone except the very people it was designed to punish.

    In an editorial supporting Obama, the Boston Globe called attention to his “intuitive sense of the wider world.” But “intuition” would have seemed a silly quality to JFK, a realist even among the realists of his day. He and the other veterans he had served with were tired of inflated promises and wanted a world that would live up to the sacrifice they had already made for it. Like Kennedy, Obama certainly has a capacity to learn, and learn quickly. But there are qualities that cannot be gleaned from briefing books, even by the quickest study—independence of judgment, calm determination, and the deep knowledge of all possibilities that comes from years of experience in the trenches. To his credit, Obama has not personally cited intuition as a reason to vote for him, but the campaign profited enormously from the Globe endorsement, and has tolerated a certain vagueness about his background and intentions that now needs to be clarified.

    In fact, no modern politician has trafficked more in “intuition” than President Bush, who trumpeted his “instincts” to an incredulous Joe Biden as his justification for invading Iraq, and famously claimed to see into the soul of Vladimir Putin. To run entirely on intuition and the negation of experience can work, and did in 2000. But to do so while wearing the deeply realist mantle of John F. Kennedy is to spin a garment of such fine cloth that it is completely invisible.

  • I get so exasperated seeing things like this: Clinton has delivered a series of attacks on Obama, beginning when he told Charlie Rose that electing Obama would be to “roll the dice.”

    Clinton didn’t say that. The interviewer kept using that phrase, and Clinton kept deflecting it, rewording, avoiding using it.

  • Jaz

    I’m going to be optimistic for once, and say this whole debate has reinforced one issue – Obama clearly not ready to become President.

    With the economy sliding, they surely will have to go with the safe option.

  • clintondem99

    1950democrat, I am glad Tweety thinks Obama did not do well. The panel thinks he should not have tried to answer all the accusations. I still think they really are under playing REZKO.

  • pulchritude

    I imagine the television networks will explore Rezko now that Hillary mentioned it during a national debate. Here is a fact check on the Rezko exchange, which everyone should recommend:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/22/11049/2664

  • alcina

    it was obvious last night HRC and WJC have gotten to BO. cole porter’s “i’ve got you under my skin” comes to mind. :)

  • Kingsgrove

    Current BigMedia meme: The Clinton’s (Chelsea too?) have gotten into Obama’s head.

  • Kingsgrove

    1950, actually Bill did use “roll the dice” on Charlie Rose. Not sure why that matters….

  • Good morning, Hillfans. Had to read through about a gizillion comments. I’ve watched the debate about 1.33 times and will repeat later looking for the nuances.

    Also watched the first 30 minutes of Tweety impersonating Joe and Mika impersonating a teevee talking head (all talk); David Shuster and Willie Geist. Concensus? Hill/Bill controlled message and Obambi was forced to attempt damage control. Failed.

    Obambi decided to address Bill as first black president by lobbing a stereotype — if he’s a brother, he can dance — which tells us Obambi has no idea of what a “bro” is.

    I read comment about Hillary nodding her head. I think I mentioned before that it is a subliminal message to the viewers that it is a truth or that she agrees to what is being said. After she does that consistently, viewers will subliminally notice when she does not approve or agree — she stops nodding. A very subtle body language move that even body language “expert” Tweety misses.

    Also, big news came out of Tweety’s mouth — the Rezko train left the station headed for New York and in no time will be making milk train stops around the nation.

    Another Tweety observation was that Obambi may not have SC in the bag. While he’s pinned down in SC fighting for the AA majority vote, Hillary is out sealing the deal in California and elsewhere. Bill and Chelsea will be going door-to-door in SC adding AA votes.

    Tweety told a story about Bill going door-to-door in 1992, I think he said it was, handing out video tapes of info MSM refused to or did not air. Bill got the message out without MSM’s help. Tweety said that he was among the reporters following Bill handing out the info they had not reported, then reported on Bill’s smooth move.

    Tweety also said that the Clintons need to knock Obambi out sooner rather than later, esp. before the convention to prohibit him from using his delegates as a bargaining chip or to make a deal. He speculated that that is part of what Hill and Bill are up to now.

    Tweety does admire the Clintons, saying that they are the best politicians at this game ever. On the other hand, I think MSM is coming to the realization that the game part of this on the Dem side is pretty much over. Now it’s on to Feb 5th and the convention, then into the GE.

    INHO, Obambi was finished last night. Tweety said as much. Once BHO went angry and off message, forced to defend, defend, defend, and now has the Rezko RR coming at him, he killed his own campaign. That arrogance and elitism did him in and just showed what an absolute amateur he really is. Wonder how his backers and bundlers are feeling now?

  • clintondem99

    This is poll from Daily Kos: Knowing Dailykos I never expected a poll with such high numbers for Hillary vs Mccain.

    I predict the match-up in November will be…

    Obama v. Huckabee
    2% 72 votes
    Clinton v. Huckabee
    1% 38 votes
    Clinton v. Romney
    11% 508 votes
    Obama v. Romney
    9% 420 votes
    Obama v. McCain
    27% 1200 votes
    Clinton v. McCain
    41% 1834 votes
    Kucinich v. Paul
    3% 140 votes
    Some other combination
    7% 305 votes

  • susanhu, “Barack, You’re Lying, and I’m Calling You On It,” ”MyDD”, January 21, 2008.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/21/213555/219

  • Taylor Marsh wrote last night:

    Edwards was a significant force, but he cannot win the nomination.

    Clinton was steady, strong and unflinching, playing beyond South Carolina.

    Obama was tight from the start, but when it came to defending his votes, health care, or Rezko, he just didn’t meet the bar needed for a bruising general election.

    But everyone following this primary race better savor it. Reflect on it now and drink it in. You will not see the likes of this in a lifetime. It was the super bowl of debates — sorry, excited about the Giants — and I don’t say that lightly.

    As a woman, however, I must say I’ve been waiting for this moment for a lifetime. Clinton doesn’t blink when bashed. She doesn’t flinch when fighting back. You never worry about a gaffe or that she can take the attacks. Hillary Clinton simply never gives up or hands her opponent a point. Watching this, I’m having the time of my life and it’s on nights like these that the fatigue, the pains, the sleeplessness and all the rest are worth it.

    What a depressing night to be a Republican.

  • clintondem99

    B. Merry… great diary. Lots of traffic too.

  • clintondem99

    This may be a silly question but why did they not have a riser at Hillary’s podium last night?

  • CD99, I hadn’t thought about that but it does work to her advantage that BHO has to look down at her when he does speak in her direction. The visual works.

  • That was from June 2007 .. resurfacing?

  • dot48

    I agree with whoever above said that HRC needs to be running campaign ads in all states.

    To not see ads makes me feel like she is taking votes for granted. Voters want to be courted….she found that out in New Hampshire.

    GET THE ADS OUT.

  • clintondem99

    What about Florida? BO has not kept his promise. It is time for us run the Ads!!

  • Jaz

    Pointless running ads in Florida..no delegates? And we will win easy anyway in Florida.

  • Jan 21st: Looks like BHO ad $$ may be getting tight:

    According to sources, Barack Obama has canceled all his recently purchased television ads for the Knoxville, Nashville and Memphis media markets. The now canceled buy was for one week estimated at $50,000 in the Nashville market and $200,000 statewide.

    Former President Bill Clinton will make a stop on behalf of Obama’s opponent, his wife Hillary Clinton, tonight at Fisk University in Nashville.

    Ads for the Clinton campaign began running today.

    UPDATE: The Obama campaign starting running a one-minute national cable ad on CNN and MSNBC today. Were local efforts in Tennessee pulled to fund this new strategy?

    UPDATE II: Obama spokeswoman Katherine Lyons comments on the strategery:

    “The Obama campaign went up with the ad the day after early voting started, and our intention was to use the ad to reach as many Tennessee voters during the beginning of early voting as possible to urge them to support Barack Obama and our movement for change.”

    http://www.news2wkrn.com/vv/2008/01/21/sources-barack-obama-pulls-tennessee-ads/

  • Today:

    Obama: SC
    Clinton: DC, CA, AZ
    Edwards: SC
    Bill Clinton: SC

  • Caroline

    Jaz, it is not pointless running ads in Florida no matter how huge her lead is. The delegates will be sitted in the convention, have no doubt about that. Florida is a battleground state come Novemeber and there is no way in hell the DNC will tell the voters that their votes will not count. Do you know what kind of backlash that will cost come November?

  • Jaz

    NY-Pres (D)
    Jan 22 Quinnipiac
    Clinton 51%, Obama 25%, Edwards 11% …

  • 17-second clip: Hillary on Universal Healthcare


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  • This may be old news to some of you, but it’s a good read: MLK’s Effect On Hillary Clinton

    http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011784.php

  • mj

    Yeah, B Merry. I have been trying to tell people for weeks, she has actually modeled her form of activism after MLK, who believed the Constitution provided a system within one could work for change.

  • mj

    Wow, Ben finally gets it!

  • mj

    Upthread. About the big dawg.

  • mj

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,530129,00.html

    The End of the Obama Revolution

    By Gabor Steingart in Washington

    The euphoria is gone, the friendly fire has started: Barack Obama is suddenly looking less like a superstar and more like just another candidate. His message isn’t hitting home with the three most important groups of voters: women, older Americans and blue-collar workers.

    All of those people who’ve been dreaming of America’s first black president now have to slowly wake up. It’ll happen one day, hopefully, but not in this election. And perhaps his name will be Barack Obama. But that first black president will have a more mature personality than that which Obama, 46, can offer American voters today.

    The senator from Illinois has now lost two primaries, losses that have turned the former superstar back into an ordinary candidate. And after the CNN debate on Monday night, one thing is clear: Obama is a candidate under friendly fire.

    Hillary Clinton posed uncomfortable questions, which were aggressive and precise — and as a result effective. Were there dodgy dealings in Chicago? Why did he support the Iraq war in the Senate, when he has always been against it? What exactly does he think on the issue of abortion?

    A pop star who has to put up with such questions is no longer a pop star. To ask to be treated more fairly is a risky strategy for someone who is aiming at the top job in the western world. It’s safe to say that Osama bin Laden isn’t going to be any nicer.

    Obama is down, but he’s not out. At the moment, the similarities with Jesse Jackson, the black civil rights activist who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination twice in the 1980s, are greater than with former President John F. Kennedy. Jackson even managed to win 11 primaries in 1988.

    Obama’s campaign appearances are still energy-packed events, and he still manages to draw large crowds of supporters who routinely greet his words with applause, cheers and even tears. But it’s even more interesting to note the kinds of people who are absent from the Obama crowds.

    He hasn’t managed to attract a strong following among older people and blue-collar workers. The majority of women find him interesting, but they support Hillary Clinton. The overwhelming majority of Hispanics are opposed to Obama, partly because he is black. Even African-Americans are not united in their support for Obama.

    The Illinois senator’s strongest advocates are young people and graduates, both groups where enthusiasm for Obama runs high. He is the candidate of the affluent and of society’s winners. His message of hope and change seems to thrive in environments where people drink latte macchiatos and read the New York Times.

    His idealism is contagious among those who expect more from politics than yet another tax cut and the next half-hearted Middle East peace initiative. His supporters love what they call “the vision thing,” and they dream of a presidential election that will truly lead to groundbreaking change, of a revolution at the ballot box — or at least something like it.

    Obama is the candidate of the idealists. Only once in every couple of decades does someone come along who has the ability to deeply inspire this group, who are perhaps the most discerning voters of all. That fact alone makes him remarkable.

    Obama also happens to be the candidate of choice for the foreign press, which explains why European correspondents tend to greatly amplify American voters’ enthusiasm for him in their dispatches. Many in Europe would like nothing more than a “European” America. A former community organizer from Chicago seems to be the ideal candidate for all countries, especially Germany, in which public servants shape politics. Obama personifies Europe’s hopes for a modern America: black, socially minded and gentle.

    But this isn’t what America looks like. And the evidence from the primaries so far suggests that it won’t be what it looks like after the elections in November. At the center of society, the place where elections are won or lost in every democracy, Obama the candidate has not triggered the kinds of earthquakes that would be necessary to topple the status quo. The ground may be trembling, but it isn’t shaking.

    The deeper one penetrates into that all-important center of American society, the cooler are people’s reactions to Obama. In places where work is hard and pay keeps shrinking, where the costs of education are rising and the fear of job losses has taken hold, Americans pay attention to him but don’t support him. He may be touching the souls of blue-collar workers, but he hasn’t been able to inspire them.

    Low-income Americans have been especially reluctant to warm up to Obama. Hillaryland starts at annual household incomes of $50,000 or less. Even the endorsement of the biggest union in Las Vegas wasn’t enough to convince the majority of union members to support Obama. America’s lower-income citizens apparently prefer cash to change. They find his attacks on “Washington lobbyists” appealing, but not sufficiently concrete. Hillary Clinton’s promise of universal health insurance for everybody strikes a different note among the country’s lower-income working classes.

    Obama also has trouble appealing to older Americans. In Iowa, 45 percent of voters over 65 voted for Clinton, while less than half as many preferred Obama. He was even less successful among older voters in Nevada, where close to two-thirds of Democrats over 60 voted for Clinton. Pollsters have noted the same pattern of aloofness to Obama throughout the country. Clinton’s support within America’s older population is twice as strong as Obama’s. In a country where the old clearly outnumber the young, this doesn’t bode well for Obama.

    Among Hispanics, who in some states make up a larger contingent of voters than African-Americans, Obama has encountered strident resistance. Sergio Bendixen, a pollster working with the Clinton campaign, recently told the New Yorker: “The Hispanic voter — and I want to say this very carefully — has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” Based on this logic, an Obama victory in South Carolina, where every second Democratic voter is black, would be more than offset by an Obama defeat in California, a much larger state that is dominated by whites and Hispanics. Staffers within the Clinton campaign are referring to the Hispanics as their firewall.

    Obama has come too early for America — or perhaps too late. In the 1990s, when the economy was doing well and Islamist terrorists had not yet appeared on the world stage, a man like Obama probably would have had stronger prospects. But tough times are bad times for visionaries.

    All it takes to understand Clinton’s appeal is to observe the way people react when she speaks with voters in small groups, as she recently did in a lecture hall on the campus of the University of Nevada. Hardly any college students were in the audience, but about 100 middle-aged women, some of whom had even dragged along their husbands, sat around the candidate on folding chairs.

    Clinton told her audience about the hard work waiting for her in the White House, about responsibility and about her view of herself as a problem-solver. No one cheered, no one jumped up from her seat and there were no choruses of approval. But the women nodded quietly in response to Clinton’s words. They didn’t seem fired up, but they did feel understood.

    Watching the group, I realized that perhaps this election isn’t about visions at all, but about something even bigger: trust.

  • mj

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,530129,00.html

    The End of the Obama Revolution

    By Gabor Steingart in Washington

    The euphoria is gone, the friendly fire has started: Barack Obama is suddenly looking less like a superstar and more like just another candidate. His message isn’t hitting home with the three most important groups of voters: women, older Americans and blue-collar workers.

    All of those people who’ve been dreaming of America’s first black president now have to slowly wake up. It’ll happen one day, hopefully, but not in this election. And perhaps his name will be Barack Obama. But that first black president will have a more mature personality than that which Obama, 46, can offer American voters today.

    The senator from Illinois has now lost two primaries, losses that have turned the former superstar back into an ordinary candidate. And after the CNN debate on Monday night, one thing is clear: Obama is a candidate under friendly fire.

    Hillary Clinton posed uncomfortable questions, which were aggressive and precise — and as a result effective. Were there dodgy dealings in Chicago? Why did he support the Iraq war in the Senate, when he has always been against it? What exactly does he think on the issue of abortion?

    A pop star who has to put up with such questions is no longer a pop star. To ask to be treated more fairly is a risky strategy for someone who is aiming at the top job in the western world. It’s safe to say that Osama bin Laden isn’t going to be any nicer.

    Obama is down, but he’s not out. At the moment, the similarities with Jesse Jackson, the black civil rights activist who ran for the Democratic presidential nomination twice in the 1980s, are greater than with former President John F. Kennedy. Jackson even managed to win 11 primaries in 1988.

    Obama’s campaign appearances are still energy-packed events, and he still manages to draw large crowds of supporters who routinely greet his words with applause, cheers and even tears. But it’s even more interesting to note the kinds of people who are absent from the Obama crowds.

    He hasn’t managed to attract a strong following among older people and blue-collar workers. The majority of women find him interesting, but they support Hillary Clinton. The overwhelming majority of Hispanics are opposed to Obama, partly because he is black. Even African-Americans are not united in their support for Obama.

    The Illinois senator’s strongest advocates are young people and graduates, both groups where enthusiasm for Obama runs high. He is the candidate of the affluent and of society’s winners. His message of hope and change seems to thrive in environments where people drink latte macchiatos and read the New York Times.

    His idealism is contagious among those who expect more from politics than yet another tax cut and the next half-hearted Middle East peace initiative. His supporters love what they call “the vision thing,” and they dream of a presidential election that will truly lead to groundbreaking change, of a revolution at the ballot box — or at least something like it.

    Obama is the candidate of the idealists. Only once in every couple of decades does someone come along who has the ability to deeply inspire this group, who are perhaps the most discerning voters of all. That fact alone makes him remarkable.

    Obama also happens to be the candidate of choice for the foreign press, which explains why European correspondents tend to greatly amplify American voters’ enthusiasm for him in their dispatches. Many in Europe would like nothing more than a “European” America. A former community organizer from Chicago seems to be the ideal candidate for all countries, especially Germany, in which public servants shape politics. Obama personifies Europe’s hopes for a modern America: black, socially minded and gentle.

    But this isn’t what America looks like. And the evidence from the primaries so far suggests that it won’t be what it looks like after the elections in November. At the center of society, the place where elections are won or lost in every democracy, Obama the candidate has not triggered the kinds of earthquakes that would be necessary to topple the status quo. The ground may be trembling, but it isn’t shaking.

    The deeper one penetrates into that all-important center of American society, the cooler are people’s reactions to Obama. In places where work is hard and pay keeps shrinking, where the costs of education are rising and the fear of job losses has taken hold, Americans pay attention to him but don’t support him. He may be touching the souls of blue-collar workers, but he hasn’t been able to inspire them.

    Low-income Americans have been especially reluctant to warm up to Obama. Hillaryland starts at annual household incomes of $50,000 or less. Even the endorsement of the biggest union in Las Vegas wasn’t enough to convince the majority of union members to support Obama. America’s lower-income citizens apparently prefer cash to change. They find his attacks on “Washington lobbyists” appealing, but not sufficiently concrete. Hillary Clinton’s promise of universal health insurance for everybody strikes a different note among the country’s lower-income working classes.

    Obama also has trouble appealing to older Americans. In Iowa, 45 percent of voters over 65 voted for Clinton, while less than half as many preferred Obama. He was even less successful among older voters in Nevada, where close to two-thirds of Democrats over 60 voted for Clinton. Pollsters have noted the same pattern of aloofness to Obama throughout the country. Clinton’s support within America’s older population is twice as strong as Obama’s. In a country where the old clearly outnumber the young, this doesn’t bode well for Obama.

    Among Hispanics, who in some states make up a larger contingent of voters than African-Americans, Obama has encountered strident resistance. Sergio Bendixen, a pollster working with the Clinton campaign, recently told the New Yorker: “The Hispanic voter — and I want to say this very carefully — has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” Based on this logic, an Obama victory in South Carolina, where every second Democratic voter is black, would be more than offset by an Obama defeat in California, a much larger state that is dominated by whites and Hispanics. Staffers within the Clinton campaign are referring to the Hispanics as their firewall.

    Obama has come too early for America — or perhaps too late. In the 1990s, when the economy was doing well and Islamist terrorists had not yet appeared on the world stage, a man like Obama probably would have had stronger prospects. But tough times are bad times for visionaries.

    All it takes to understand Clinton’s appeal is to observe the way people react when she speaks with voters in small groups, as she recently did in a lecture hall on the campus of the University of Nevada. Hardly any college students were in the audience, but about 100 middle-aged women, some of whom had even dragged along their husbands, sat around the candidate on folding chairs.

    Clinton told her audience about the hard work waiting for her in the White House, about responsibility and about her view of herself as a problem-solver. No one cheered, no one jumped up from her seat and there were no choruses of approval. But the women nodded quietly in response to Clinton’s words. They didn’t seem fired up, but they did feel understood.

    Watching the group, I realized that perhaps this election isn’t about visions at all, but about something even bigger: trust.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Hi Ben! Good piece on Bill! Starting to clue in to the truth we’ve been telling you about THE VOTERS opinions, instead of listening to the other pundits spin each others opinions 14 different ways, huh? Smart man. It’s called journalism. Used to be a profession in this country, way back when.

  • At a DC press conference Hillary said that she is going to abide by her pledge to NOT campaign in Florida. Go girl! Take the high road and leave the ditch to you know who.

  • TheRealist

    With his statements last week accusing her of violating the pledge, we can add HYPOCRITE to the list of OB’s talents…

  • See ABC’s The Note for internal links:

    Sen. Barack Obama was only facing one Clinton on stage Monday night in Myrtle Beach. But by the time the first exchange of the evening was over, Obama realized he was confronting the accumulated firepower of the most formidable Democratic political machine assembled in modern history — and there’s no more pretending that the Democratic primary is a friendly little exchange of ideas and ideals.

    Now that it’s all in the open — now that South Carolina brought out vitriol that Vegas (!) didn’t, and now that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has an ally, not an enemy, in former senator John Edwards — who’s happy with the turn to the personal?

    The candidate who’s mastered old-style, rough-and tumble politics (and who had that “slum landlord” Tony Rezko ready to go to meet a remark about Wal-Mart)? Or the candidate whose broad appeal is based on remaking the nation’s politics (and who’s being outmaneuvered on tactical grounds just about every day)?

    (And the daily wild card: If the stock market plummets on Tuesday, whose political capital rises?) …

    Perhaps Obama fought with just as much skill as Clinton Monday evening; there’s no more questioning whether he can get tough on stage. Yet the Clinton campaign has (finally) succeeded in taking Obama to a playing field that the Clintons are more than comfortable with. …

    Obama was ready to confront Clinton, but his is a “campaign now on the defensive,” Dan Balz writes in The Washington Post. “Obama has learned how formidable the Clintons’ political machine can be, particularly when its future is on the line. . . . This is a fight the Clinton campaign welcomes. But it is one that threatens to have long-term consequences if both sides cannot find a way to pull back.” …

    History will record that Obama, D-Ill., went on the attack first on Monday, accusing former President Bill Clinton of depicting his comments on Ronald Reagan in a way that “is simply not true.” Clinton, D-N.Y., responded with a line her campaign wants to make it into a major theme over the next 14 days. “It is very difficult having a straight-up debate with you, because you never take responsibility for any vote, and that has been a pattern.”

    When judging winners and losers, consider that the former first lady has managed to transform herself from “inevitable” to “underdog” — complete with Clinton campaign claims (led by Bill) of media bias that favors Obama.

    Losing in Iowa “allowed her to effectively turn her image around and use the defeat to present herself as a softer, more personable candidate,” Amy Chozick writes in The Wall Street Journal. “At the same time, rival Barack Obama, the freshman senator from Illinois, has emerged as a tougher, well-funded politician and less of a Washington outsider.” …

    The sympathy Obama is getting is important — who ever could Atlanta mayor Shirley Franklin been referring to here? “Yes, this is reality, not fantasy or fairy tales,” Franklin said, per Aaron Gould Sheinin of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

    But Obama is back where he started post-Iowa — fighting two Clintons (and facing down the more dangerous one in the most important primary on his horizon). He’s scrambling for a storyline that will take him beyond South Carolina, and hoping to bring back his magic in a dangerous political climate. “He will do whatever is necessary to win,” Peter Canellos writes in The Boston Globe (and let the ramifications of that sentence sink in). …

    Obama’s candidacy is a direct challenge not only to Sen. Clinton, but to President Clinton’s legacy. “Obama has set his sights higher, and implicit in his campaign is a promise, or a threat, to eclipse Clinton’s accomplishments,” writes Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson. …

    Why hold Bill back? “These days the former president’s ‘outbursts’ serve a dual purpose: they lend the impression that Senator Clinton is the insurgent running against the media-supported Obama, while also creating the illusion that it is the former president, not his wife, who is actually the candidate for the Democratic nomination,” Matthew Continetti writes in his New York Times blog.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1

  • plural

    The media’s talk about the “Clinton machine” is such nonsense.

    What machine? It’s just two extraordinary skilled and caring people.

    Two people I’m very happy to have on my side.

    And I will never understand why a Democratic politician should set out deliberately to attack the only two-term Democratic president since FDR. Stupid stupid.

  • mj

    WTF is this Matthew Continetti talking about? I have no illusion about who the candidate is.

  • plural, since it’s pretty evident that BHO is neither a liberal or a progressive, and definitely not a Dem, it only stands to reason that he feels that he can diss BillC with impunity. Although that may score him points in some circles, in the long run it won’t help him.

  • Paula

    BTW, has the DNC said anything about Obama violating the no-campaigning-in-Florida rule?

  • Can you imagine what would happen if Hillary attacked either BHO’s or JRE’s spouses for helping them to campaign or criticize them for something they said? Same old same old double standard (hi Ben).

  • I’ve not hear anything but I do recall reading something somewhere (will look) about this being an agreement between the candidates and the states. If that’s the case, why did Obambi consult with the SC Dem chair to get a pass on advertising in Florida?

  • CBS reported yesterday that it was a DNC pledge.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/21/politics/fromtheroad/entry3734956.shtml

    “A new 60-second TV ad that’s running nationally on CNN and MSNBC focuses largely on Obama’s work with Republicans in the Illinois Legislature and in the US Senate, and it features yet another clip from Obama’s now-famous rejection of the red state-blue state dichotomy, during his address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston.”

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/22/obama_ad_touts_work_with_gop/

  • Paula

    mj, I thought that was an odd line, too, but I think the rest of his analysis is very good.

    I also think we need to relax here about the ad buys. I doubt either campaign has enough money to advertise heavily in all Feb. 5 states (there are 24 of them), so it’s a matter of allocating resources.

  • timjcain

    Discovered Hillaryis44 a couple of weeks back in an article(sorry cannot recall where) the author was responding to the assumption that obama had the upper hand in the virtual world as his minions(word?) are much more computer savvy and the internet is a part of thier daily lives. the author conceded that ostensibly obama had the upper hand here, but then mentioned this space and the intellegence humor and acumen of the contributors. He/She was dead on. I am a Manhattanite temporarily stuck in PGH and following this site after events/primaries/ caucases has been much needed and appreciated. Thankyou all.

  • Note that, of course, this comes from MSNBC, Obama’s official cable network:

    “Obama’s SC ‘Truth Squad’”

    The Obama campaign held a conference to announce the South Carolina Truth Squad “to respond forcefully” to “the incredible distortions that are coming from the Clinton campaign in particular and our desire to set the record straight,” said former Sen. Tom Daschle, an Obama supporter, from Greenville, S.C., where Obama is expected to speak at Furman College later today. …

    The campaign also announced a hotline (877-622-6228) for supporters to call if they get robo-calls or negative mailers, which the campaign has said happened in Iowa, New Hampshire and alluded to it now taking place in South Carolina.

    http://www.firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/22/598186.aspx

  • mollyjrichards

    Mornin’ yall, I just saw that puke’s commercial again on CNN. I cannot believe this guy. Have yall been up all night?

  • Kingsgrove

    Clinton schedule for today…..

    *all times Eastern

    Tuesday, January 22

    10:30 am
    Bill Clinton meets with residents in Aiken, South Carolina

    2:30 pm
    Bill Clinton tours West End Community Development Center at Allen Temple AME in Greenville, South Carolina

    5:00 pm
    Hillary Clinton participates in a “Solutions for America” town hall in Salinas, California

    9:00 pm
    Hillary Clinton participates in a “Solutions for America” town hall in Laveen, Arizona

  • dot48

    sounds like obama camp is getting skeered in south carolina people!! I suspect HRC will be back in SC more than we think…something internal in obama polls has them afraid. just saw an article was he was urging people to not take sc win for granted.

    also, Hillay camp needs to be bringing up that foreign affairs committee that NEVER had ANY MEETINGS.

  • Emjay

    one hour live interview w/ Carl Bernstein canceled due to CB’s laryngitus
    (spelling). When it’s rescheduled, I’ll let you know.

  • TheRealist

    In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, it’s now Hillary Clinton 42%, Barack Obama 31% and John Edwards 13% (see recent daily numbers). Clinton and Obama are attracting significantly different bases of support. Looking ahead, Obama leads Clinton in South Carolina while Clinton leads in New York, California, New Jersey, and Florida.

    Back to a double-digit lead…

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  • mollyjrichards

    Som great articles up thread folks. Thanks for the good reading material.

  • From Fox :o a fair assessment. Money quote from Charles Krauthammer:

    If he is trying to imply that a two on one is unfair, it won’t help him. He is a big boy and these are the big leagues, and you got to fight. So I think in that respect, it is not going to help him.

    But Bill has been quite effective. I think Mort is right about this. He has actually managed to focus this on Obama.

    What he did is he took a candidate who was sort of transcendent with his great soaring rhetoric, and he brought him down to earth by challenging him on his votes, his experience, and what he has done in the past — something that the media had not done. And because he’s the ex- president, and because he’s the spectacle of his red-faced rants are so compelling, people could not ignore him.

    And when Hillary is running against an icon and transcendent character, she doesn’t have a chance. The moment it is her as a person against him as a person with a record and a past, she does, and she wins, as she did in New Hampshire, and, of course. in Nevada.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324571,00.html

  • dot48

    I expect obama to start whining about Chelsea in the next few days…he’ll say I’m running against the entire family

  • Clinton declined to repeat her attack on Obama for his association with what she described as a “slum landlord” during the Monday night debate. She did, though, seem to mock Obama once more about his record, saying, “I know it’s sometimes hard to keep track of facts.”

    “It is clear that this is a difficult subject area for Senator Obama,” Clinton said. “He has a hard time responding to questions about his record. The Republicans are not going to have any compunctions about asking any of us anything.”

    http://www.blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/22/clinton_presses_case_against_o.html

  • mollyjrichards

    I cannot believe a “truth squad” or hotline number has been established by BO. I wonder whose truth he will be telling. He had some nerve making that WalMart comment. He is so proud of his “grassroots community organizing.” Truth be told, this is exactly the kind of work that Hillary was doing a lot of before she even graduated from Law School. Once in Arkansas, she immediately founded a legal aid clinic and then went to work organizing the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. As First Lady of Arkansas, she traveled around the state working toward change in education, healthcare and women’s rights. It was very brave stuff in that era. So I really appreciate the thread up above addressing the importance of MLK’s work in her life. MLK influenced many people – of all ethnicities – in making change in this country.

  • true2party

    molly, LOL…I just signed in here too for today. It does look like we have gained a lot more Hillfans here and yes, I bet they were up all night. This is historic and very exciting!

    Hillary answered Obama’s punches every single time. You bite her first, and she’ll “go to mat” and make you wish you hadn’t taken her on…. I love it!!

  • mollyjrichards

    She was great last night true2party, wasn’t she. I am still half asleep. CNN is replaying the debate incase anybody wants another go at it.

  • mollyjrichards

    THis is from a report on Rasmussen, “Following her popular-vote victory in Nevada’s caucus last week, Senator Hillary Clinton is as much a frontrunner as she was before Senator Barack Obama’s victory in Iowa on January 3.”

  • This is the second time today I’ve seen something about this: “Group’s internal memo points to Obama’s struggle with Jewish vote”

    http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Groups_internal_memo_points_to_Obamas_0122.html

  • clintondem99

    I think it is time for all of us to bust the caricature of Hillary created by the far right in the 90s that the far left has adopted as an argument against her. I believe that we should make a consistent and constant argument to the left and educate them because they are really ignorant. When we make these arguments we should only be talking about Hillary and not about other candidates. That is one way to avoid hostility.

  • timjcain

    the fact that he has a hotline may be enough to the casual observer watching the 6 o’clock to believe he is telling the truth

  • So, Sen. Obama, about that reaching across the aisle and uniting people of all creeds and colors and beliefs, etc., could you please explain why it is that your losing the liberal vote, the Hispanic vote, the women’s vote, and now the Jewish vote — in two words or less, please? Oh, “hope” and “change”. Got it 8O

  • clintondem99

    Hillary is up 11% over BO in the daily tracking poll of Rasmussen.

    01/22/08
    42%
    31%
    13%

  • Jaz

    CA-Pres (D)
    Jan 22 Field Poll
    Clinton 39%, Obama 27%, Edwards 10% …

    Looking good. :) NYC, CA are power states.

  • Jaz

    BTW the polling figures post-debate will be out TOMORROW. Not today…

  • The SC “Truth Squad” idea is to imply that only BHO is telling the truth and that the Clinton campaign not only is not but can’t be trusted to tell the truth. The Hill reports that the announcement was made by Tom Daschle who says BillC is acting “unpresidential” and that the Clintons are using Republican tactics like those used against him in 2004.

    http://www.thehill.com/campaign-2008/daschle-says-president-clinton-acting-unpresidential-2008-01-22.html

    I think Hillary just needs a website called Hillary’s Hit Squad, don’t you?

  • mollyjrichards

    Those are great numbers clintondem99. I agree in principle that we should focus our comments on Hillary. It is sometimes very hard not to speak at all about the opposition. When we are making contrasts, for example

  • mollyjrichards

    I am very disappointed in Daschle. Obviously has an axe to grind.

  • After reading the crap about BHO advertising in FLorida I got pissed. So I sent a letter to my state congress:

    I read the below statement on several news sites this morning and I am wondering if you, our state representatives, are going to allow this continued behavior to happen? When it is going to stop? One state does not get punished for moving up their primary, but two others do and now blatent violation by Senator Obama by advertising in Florida is also being ignored? Why is it that if Hillary Clinton had done this the news media and every other political leader would be jumping all over it? Sounds ! a little like reverse discrimination to me….

    Then I pasted the statement from Hillary’s website about it below. You can get to it from the democratic party website, enter your zipcode and it brings up an email form with your congressmen/women’s names. All you have to do is write the letter and hit send. I couldn’t find where to send on the democratic convention page so I did that. I had to so something. He is really ticking me off. He can break the rules, but no one else.

  • Jaz

    Great Video for Hillary Campaign:


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  • dot48

    when it all shakes out, people look at Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton they remember good pocketbooks .

    ,
    the facts are, other than young adults,most peoople are savvy enough about politics to know that politics in Washington cannot be “changed” or “hoped” for. They know what it takes in White House.

    It is beginning to look like his win in Iowa was a fluke and people started seeing through his empty suit.

  • I think the Iowa win was because most people supporting Hillary assumed she had it locked and didn’t think they needed to bother going out to vote. And now the little bit of momentum he got from that is the only thing keeping him in this thing this far.

  • mollyjrichards

    I believe that much of the hostility toward the Clintons comes from jealously and sour grapes. People who are highly successful in a professional sense in our society often find themselves in places where they are criticized, often nfairly, sometimes to the point of being vilified. A lot of this stems, I think, from resentment and jealously.

  • mollyjrichards

    Fact Hub on Hillary’s site is entitled “About last night” .

  • true2party

    clintondem99, I agree. I wish we had a book, like James Carville’s “how to talk to a republican” or something like that…..like, how to have a good comeback while HAVING to hear the same damn thing each time. For instance, I get so tired of answering the whole Wal-Mart board thing all the time. Everyone should know that she was the first and only woman on the board during the time when it was just old white men, and she fought for environmental standards while there. And, she left the board with a lot of things to work on, IOW, she tried to help

    ….if BO thinks that he can bring people together and work for the common cause, even with republican thugs, how can he make ANY argument about Hillary being on the Wal-Mart board? What a hypocrit….ok ok ok, back to Hillary….

    Education plan in Arkanas, on the board of the Yale Law Review and married Bill Clinton (her best decision ever, IMO) also she’s a mother….can you imagine a president who knows what it’s like to give birth? how awesome would that be?!

  • grinnelldem

    BEST THING THE CAMPAIGN HAS EVER DONE!


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    This is DEVASTATING for BHO. They caught him in a flat out LIE on national TV. Spread this around.

  • anbritt

    hi just checking in..those that know i post every once in a while to give a feel of my AA family..well my bro(BHO supporter) called and says he is not voting for BHO!! i didn’t see the debate last night, but, what set him off was apparently a discussion re credit card interest rates? my bro was liviv, i couldn’t stop laughing… you have to know my baby bro..if you saw him you would think hardcaor black thug….in reality the best educated in our family and owns his own successful business…but he said edwards made bho look like a fool..my bro was ranting “what planet is this mofo living on..what a damn fool”…does anyone know where there is a recap on this issue…is there a youtube clip somewhere?

    bmerry–a truth squad? REALLY i should call the hotline and tell them the cow jumped over the moon not really..just joking

  • Paula

    FYI, the phrase “truth squad” cracks me up. And I wouldn’t worry about Dashle. He’s like Kerry in my book. If Obama’s people want to keep whining about Bill, let ‘em.

    Also, this stuff from Hillary is great:

    “It is clear that this is a difficult subject area for Senator Obama,” Clinton said. “He has a hard time responding to questions about his record. The Republicans are not going to have any compunctions about asking any of us anything.”

  • OandrewD

    Obama keeps claiming lies, but not clarifying them. You cannot just say THEY LIED and then stop you have to explain how they lied. Obama you did take the speech off your website, you are quoted saying your position is no different then Bush’s, and you did vote to constantly fund the war. Those are FACTS and they cannot be disputed and instead of trying the Obama machine is simply name calling.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I keep laughing every time I hear people like Daschle tut-tutting like a freaking Maiden Aunt over Bill’s not being presidential enough.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ooooooooo, they are getting the vapors! Bring the smelling salts! It’s all so very distastefully unsavory, that a former president should be out there pressing the flesh and relating like a human being to average voters! OH MY GOD, he is daring to defend his wife!!!! How will the country live this down?? Timmeh is clutching his pearls and fainting dead away from the pedestrian SHAME of it! Fetch him a geranium scented fingerbowl, maybe that will revive his pasty doughy ass.

    The Obama spokesmen and especially the press corps have become the best comedy of the season.

    When are they going to get hit with a FREAKING cluebat, and realize that THE VOTERS LOVE BILL. They LOVE that he is not walking around being all ceremonial with a stick up his arse. Bill is real. Bill is doing exactly what they would do in his shoes. And they love him for it. Always have, always will.

    Jesus Christ on a waffle cone, the Big Media is in bubble-land. They really oughta get out more, they are embarrassing themselves.

  • timjcain

    grinnelldem
    everyone in my address book just got a copy

  • Paula

    H4T, It’s as if they think this is tiddlywinks or something. And I love this part:

    When are they going to get hit with a FREAKING cluebat, and realize that THE VOTERS LOVE BILL. They LOVE that he is not walking around being all ceremonial with a stick up his arse.

    LOL!!!

  • Paula

    Also, the media narrative about the debate is that Hillary and Obama reamed into each other. That’s what we want, because once Mr. Uniter descends to that level he loses his halo. Hillary never had a halo to being with, so this characterization isn’t a problem for her.

  • pulchritude

    i adore the video, and i adore this passage from the hillary fact hub’s memo subtitled “About Last Night:”

    As an attorney, Senator Obama represented now-indicted influence peddler Tony Rezko in his efforts to develop government-subsidized slum housing. Interestingly, Senator Obama has thus far failed to return all contributions associated with Mr. Rezko, which included money that was given through straw donors or obtained from Illinois taxpayers. [Chicago Sun Times, 4/23/07; Chicago Sun Times, 1/20/08]

    facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5399

  • pm

    Somebody beat me to it! but the next complaint will be aimed at Chelsea saying that it is not fair that his daughters are still too little to defend their dad.

  • clintondem99

    true2party, this from economist “The condition springs from deep emotions on the cultural right. Fears of successful professional women who look down their snooty noses at rednecks and stay-at-home mothers. Hatred of bossy liberals who want to impose a National Health Service and other bureaucratic monstrosities. Disdain for holier-than-thou lefties who ride their husbands’ coat-tails to power and wealth. ”

    “The saner American left is at last waking up to the fact that Hillary was never the radical firebrand of conservative caricature. She has always been pro-business (her much demonised health-care reforms rejected the Canadian single-payer model and enjoyed the support of many businesses that were worried about escalating health-care costs). She has always been deeply religious, and even contemplated becoming a Methodist minister. She supported welfare reform. If the right regards her as a Trojan horse for left-wing liberalism, the left regards her as a Trojan horse for corporate Clintonism. ”

    We know that bigots who claim to be conservatives are responsible in creating the caricature so we should talk more about cultural right their methods and their conspiracies.

  • mollyjrichards

    I think what BIll and Hillary are doing right now is extremely important. Because the media showed no inclination whatsoever to vet Obama, they are having to make these contrasts themselves. I know that Bill Clinton wouldn’t be out in front of cameras making an issue out of something like BO’s position on Iraq if he wasn’t 100% sure he had his facts together. He has such an incredible grasp for facts, logic and argument. Actually, they both do, and they just aren’t going to let any of this crap go unanswered or rely upon the press to do its job.

  • true2party

    h4t, you are hilarious! LMAOROTFLMAO!

  • clintondem99

    Did you guys hear that the Farm workers union is going to endorse Hillary today in California.

  • true2party

    CD99, you know…healthcare just makes sense. if healthcare wasn’t so damn expensive and burdensome for companies and families, we would not have this economic disaster. people need to see the connection between affordable healthcare and the economy. especially now.

  • Karen

    I disagree that this was the “best debate ever”, in fact; I wish I hadn’t watched it. Though Senator Clinton, I feel, hit the nail on the head when she stated that Senator Obama does not take responsibility for his actions. He behaved like a defensive, indignant teenager last night. I saw a side of him that cut through his holier than thou, MLK wannabe image that he has been trying to project throughout this campaign. I was reminded, wasn’t this the guy who had a ton of unpaid parking tickets that he rushed to pay just before filing to run for president? The kind of behaviors an irresponsible, self-indulgent teenager would conduct. He showed a side of himself that is very unlikable, a side which I feel emerges when he is threatened and up against the wall. Based on his embarrassing Senate record, his lying, arrogance and defensive posture when confronted, I fail to see how he can maintain a Senate position let alone ever a presidency.

  • Paula

    As an attorney, Senator Obama represented now-indicted influence peddler Tony Rezko in his efforts to develop government-subsidized slum housing. Interestingly, Senator Obama has thus far failed to return all contributions associated with Mr. Rezko, which included money that was given through straw donors or obtained from Illinois taxpayers. [Chicago Sun Times, 4/23/07; Chicago Sun Times, 1/20/08]

    I would like to see this circulated far and wide.

  • dot48

    bo is getting vetted by the clinton campaign because nobody else has the balls to question the black man in the room.

    i do see a bit of chink in his media lovefest however,

    so smart campaign strategy for hrc…it will make sc a hollow victory

  • pulchritude

    digg this story on rezko for more coverage of the story:

    digg.com/2008_us_elections/Barack_Obama_His_Contributor_Rezko_the_Slum_Landlord

  • wbboei

    Where Hi Ben is concerned it is better that wisdom come late than never come at all as in the case of Mrs. Allen Greenspan.

  • AlwaysforHillary

    Hillary made me SO PROUD to be a woman last night! She was amazing!!! She always is; but last night she showed just how TOUGH she is and how much crap she can take without flinching!!!

    When she mentioned REZKO, I cheered out loud and said “GOOD FOR YOU HILLARY!!!” I was so damn happy. Obama LIED when he explained about Rezko and his relationship. That HOPEFULLY will come back to bite him in the ass!! NOTICE that he didn’t ask to explain it? Wolf asked him a couple of questions later if she WANTED to explain it!

    I just want this Rezko business to come out FULLY in the media!!

  • true2party

    hey, dot48, i don’t think race is the deal here. he’s just a rockstar and he’s seen as the person who can keep hillary from the white house. the GOP made him a rock star. lugar pushed for him to be on the foreign relations committee for a reason. he’s a GOP tool. and don’t think he won’t remember how he got to where he is….they’re expecting pay back, i’m sure.

    also, i just talked to my boss and he said that men are worried that the world will look down upon us if we have a female president. yes, i now know what kind of boss i have. and it sucks!! i wish he’d never told me that. what a prick.

  • Jaz

    Pulchritude – Dugg. We need to set up a digg group or some kind and give out shoutouts for our hundreds of diggers for Hillary.

    ^^Guys see above youtube video. And listen to Obama’s last quote of the video…never laughed so much.

  • HillaryforTexas

    I noticed that too, AFH. After Hillary dropped that bomb, Obama never tried to refute it. He did not ask for response time, he wanted to LET THAT PUPPY GO. It was obvious that he did NOT want to touch that subject. Watch the tape – it’s clear. He was hoping it would pass right by.

    It was Wolf who brought it back up and made him address it (badly.)

  • Jaz

    Pres ’08 (D)
    Jan 22 Rasmussen
    Clinton 42%, Obama 31%, Edwards 13%

    FL-Pres (D)
    Jan 22 ARG
    Clinton 59%, Obama 21%, Edwards 14%

    Florida looking good for us… lead is 38%. Anyone know why this is true? Demographics?

  • Paula

    Video on the front page of yahoo of Hillary talking about the economy. Love her yellow outfit, lol!

    http://www.yahoo.com/s/788869

  • pulchritude

    thank you. i received an anonymous email telling me that someone submitted this to digg. how strange.

  • Paula

    Headline is, “Clinton: U.S. headed for recession without action.”

    That economic focus needs to be pounded and pounded and pounded.

  • pulchritude

    i was surprised wolf blitzer asked about rezko.

  • clintondem99

    Did you see this:

    The nasty spat between Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama last night sure created fireworks, but after the debate attention turned to an offstage encounter, between Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards.

    According to eyewitnesses, they both walked out of their green rooms after the debate and agreed to talk, then went behind closed doors in Edwards’s green room.

    Clinton left 20 minutes later. No word on the subject matter, but as Edwards struggles in the polls with no wins to date, his post-campaign strategy is surely in the air.

    “They were catching up, as they tend to do at the events, and probably discussing the even-handed media coverage of the race,” quipped Edwards spokesman Eric Schultz

  • HillaryforTexas

    Holy FUCK! MSNBC is playing the youtube video in full!!!

  • timjcain

    has anyone ever ran as vp twice?

  • dot48

    love the video about obama changing tunes….that should be made into an ad to run on tv.

    she does need ads running this week…people are watching right now due to south carolina and the more she gets out there the better

    also, I’ve noticed they (tv) has talked to EVERYBODY past Nevada but Hillary,.

    She NEEDS to get on abc or cbs evening news….20.20 would be good and as many ads going on tv towards women based networks. somebody last night had a whole host of those networks geared to women.

    don’t take any vote for granted…wonder how much an ad costs?

  • meiyingsu

    HillaryforTexas, which youtube video?

  • dot48

    is obama’s shine starting to fade with msm??? anyone seen a change of tune from tweety? or scaryjoe and playmatemika?

    any getting out of the bambii corner at any other news networks?

  • Paula

    I don’t think so, timjcain, but she won’t pick him as her VP. But he might make a good secretary of Labor, or perhaps attorney general even. I’m glad to hear they talked. Maybe at least he won’t endorse Obama. If Edwards senses that Hillary now has the upper hand, it makes sense for him to listen to what she has to say.

  • dot48

    Edwards would make a perfect Secretary of Labor.

  • Paula

    dot48, I’m sure she’ll be back on the networks. Her new-found accessibility to the media will certainly continue.

  • timjcain

    I watched the debate with my mother last night a 60 year old woman mother of 5, a college graduate and i can tell you edwards moved her.

  • HillaryforTexas

    meiyingsu, look upthread. Hillary put up a youtube of Obambi lying his ass off on healthcare, and MSNBC just played the whole thing.

  • Kentucky_mkt

    mj Says:

    January 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
    WTF is this Matthew Continetti talking about? I have no illusion about who the candidate is.

    Straight people with penises + Andrea Mitchell and Arianna Huffington just don’t get it. This is about women and women’s issues, the latter of which I include issues related to our children and the future.

    Let them puff while our coalition goes to the voting booth.

  • clintondem99

    dot48, I think you are onto something. I think they have realized that BO does not have much of a future after SC. I thought tweety was more or less hinting at it.

  • hwc

    Hillary4Texas: standing ovation. That was the funniest post I’ve ever read! Bravo. Bravo.

    BTW, speaking of Bill Clinton, is there any doubt that HE can explain Rezko if some poor unsuspecting reporter gets all up in his grill about it?

  • Berkeley Vox

    Check out the Fact Hub on Hillary’s site… they completely refute Obama’s lie last night that he “sponsored” the bill protecting the privacy of sex abuse victims. In fact, Obama did NOT sponsor the bill. He took a pass and voted “present.”

  • true2party

    Edwards is a hard worker. Obama is a future GOP candidate. LOL I’d take Edwards before Obama.

    I’d like to see Edwards matched up with Hillary. good contrast….but not too much, not like that elitist bag of cement, John Kerry.

  • mj

    Edwards is fine, but one good debate performance isn’t going to make up for a poorly run campaign. He does nothing for Hill as a running mate.

  • filbertsf

    I’d rather just see John Edwards as the spokesman for a hair care product.

    You guys didn’t see the hypocrisy of Edwards’ holier-than-thou “While you guys bicker, there are poor people starving, yada, yada, yada.”

    This is the same guy who went and attacked Hillary relentlessly at the debates. Were the poor people starving while he labeled HRC part of the DC corruption?

    After his pathetic performance in NH and NV, he toned down the rhetoric against her b/c he knew he should have been attacking Obama from the get-go.

  • clintondem99

    Only the facts:

    When Hillary pointed out that Sen. Obama was the only state senator to vote present when asked to protect the privacy of sex abuse victims, Sen. Obama falsely claimed he sponsored that very bill:

    But let’s just respond to the example that was just thrown out. The bill, with respect to privacy for victims of sexual abuse, is a bill I had actually sponsored, Hillary. I actually sponsored the bill. It got through the senate.
    The Illinois General Assembly’s website lists three state senate sponsors of this bill, Sen. Obama is not one of them. The three sponsors were State Senators Geo-Karis, Shaw, and O’Malley.

    Sen. Obama then tried to explain his present vote, saying, “there was a legal provision in it that was problematic and needed to be fixed so it wouldn’t be struck down.” But Sen. Obama was the only Senator who voted present, and the bill became law. To this day, the bill has not been struck down.

    HB 854 is still part of Public Act 93-0210. c-5) Whenever a person has been convicted of criminal sexual assault, aggravated criminal sexual assault, predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, criminal sexual abuse, or aggravated criminal sexual abuse, the victim of that offense may request that the State’s Attorney of the county in which the conviction occurred file a verified petition with the presiding trial judge at the defendant’s trial to have a court order entered to seal the records of the clerk of the circuit court in connection with the proceedings of the trial court concerning that offense. However, the records of the arresting authority and the Department of State Police concerning the offense shall not be sealed. The court, upon good cause shown, shall make the records of the clerk of the circuit court in connection with the proceedings of the trial court concerning the offense available for public inspection. [Public Act -93-0210]

  • dot48

    clintomdem…get that stuff to Admin…or send confidential tips at above link…very intereting

  • kostner

    These debates mean nothing…

    Did you guys see the new video put up on Hillaryhub. She looks so beautiful with new clothes. I love IT!!!

  • freckles

    ClintonDem99….fascinating stuff….can you post that to every pundit posing as newsman??? and every newsman posing as pundit??? and every site with a politics blog??

  • mj

    On Anniversary Of Roe, Clinton Announces Agenda For Reproductive Health Care
    The Clinton campaign today reinforced its commitment to protect a woman’s right to make the most fundamental decisions about her life and health and announced a comprehensive agenda for women’s reducing unintended pregnancy and enhancing access to reproductive health care. The announcement comes on the 35th anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade and follows the news of the endorsement of WCLA – Choice Matters, one of the oldest pro-choice advocacy organizations in the nation.

    “When I’m President, I will appoint judges to our courts who understand that Roe v. Wade isn’t just binding legal precedent, it is the touchstone of our reproductive freedom, the embodiment of our most fundamental rights, and no one – no judge, no governor, no Senator, no President – has the right to take it away.”

    The agenda includes preventing unintended pregnancies by increasing access to honest, accurate sex education, contraception and family planning services, ensuring that private health plans offer the same level of coverage for contraception as they do for other prescription drugs and services, ensuring that women who survive sexual assault have access to emergency contraception upon request. Clinton also calls for providing greater access to reproductive health care services overseas.

    “On the 35th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, I am reaffirming my commitment to safe, legal, and rare abortion, and unveiling an agenda for decreasing the number of unintended pregnancies in the U.S. through honest and complete sex education and expanded access to contraception and family planning,” said Clinton.

    WCLA joins other prominent pro-choice organizations endorsing Hillary Clinton for President, including the National Organization for Women PAC, EMILY’s List, Women’s Campaign Forum, National Women’s Political Caucus, Women’s Political Committee.

    Below is Hillary’s full agenda for women’s reproductive care:

    Hillary Clinton’s Agenda for Women’s Reproductive Health Care

    On the 35th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, Hillary is recommitting to Roe as the law of the land and charting a new course for women’s reproductive health care based on preventing unintended pregnancy. Hillary envisions a world in which every child born is wanted, cherished, and loved. She believes in empowering people with honest and complete information so that they can make responsible decisions, and in providing broader access to contraception, family planning, and the full range of reproductive health care services for women of all income levels.

    Hillary has been a leading advocate for the right of every woman to make the most personal of life decisions for years. She believes the right to privacy is a fundamental right, and that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Her views on reproductive rights were informed by seeing what happens when the government gets involved in these decisions. As First Lady, Hillary traveled to Romania where, under a Soviet-style dictatorship, the government had controlled every aspect of women’s reproductive health by eliminating birth control, sex education and abortion and requiring humiliating government-controlled monthly exams, in order to compel every woman to bear five children and build the Romanian state. Hillary saw the other extreme in China, with its one birth policy, under which women could be sterilized or forced to have an abortion if they got pregnant for a second time. Hillary took those lessons to heart.

    In the Senate, she has been an outspoken critic of the Bush Administration’s relentless and insidious attempts to undermine Roe and has been on the forefront of the major victories on behalf of the pro-choice community in recent years. In the Senate, Hillary waged a three-year effort, along with Senator Patty Murray, to get the FDA to accept the overwhelming recommendation of the medical community and approve emergency contraception for over-the-counter sales. She also helped craft a winning strategy to put the right wing on the defensive by highlighting their opposition to contraception, a position that is way out of the mainstream in the U.S. Hillary championed the Prevention First Act, which expands access to contraception for women of all income levels, and provides for honest and complete sex education programs. As President, Hillary will be vigilant in ensuring that each woman maintains the right to plan her own family and protect her reproductive health.

    Maintaining Roe as the Law of the Land

    Appointing Justices that will uphold the right to privacy – Senator Clinton opposed the nominations of Justices Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court because she believed they represented the greatest threat to Roe since it was decided. Her prediction has been born out through Gonzales v. Carhart, the first time the Supreme Court upheld a law outlawing a specific abortion procedure. As President, Hillary will nominate justices who share her view that the Constitution protects a woman’s right to make the most fundamental decisions about her life and health, and that the right to privacy is a fundamental right.

    Enacting the Freedom of Choice Act – Hillary will sign into law the Freedom of Choice Act, which would codify Roe v. Wade and send a renewed signal to the courts that the will of Congress and the President is to keep abortion legal.

    Preventing Unintended Pregnancies

    Hillary has long believed that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Unfortunately, we are far from realizing that vision. One half of pregnancies in the U.S. are unintended and one half of unintended pregnancies end in abortion, and the U.S. has one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the industrialized world. Hillary’s agenda will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies by:

    Increasing access to family planning services. Hillary will expand the national family planning program (Title X) and extend Medicaid coverage for family planning services to women who are eligible for pregnancy-related care. Each year, Title X provides 4.8 million people, mostly poor and uninsured, with family planning services that help them plan their pregnancies and improve their health. Clinics that use Title X funds are present in close to three-quarters of counties in the U.S. Over the last two decades, Title X services are estimated to have prevented 20 million unintended pregnancies and nine million abortions, and helped to prevent 5.5 million adolescent pregnancies [Planned Parenthood]. President Bush has proposed no increases in Title X since taking office. As a result, health care providers that rely on Title X funds have significantly lost purchasing power and are struggling to afford the latest technology in diagnostic and contraceptive services. According to the Guttmacher Institute, the $286 million allotted to Title X for FY 2005 was worth 59 percent less than the $162 million appropriated in FY 1980. Hillary will restore the funding for Title X that has been lost under the Bush Administration. She will also ensure that states make family planning services as widely available as pregnancy-related services in Medicaid.

    Ensuring that private health plans offer the same level of coverage for contraception as they do for other prescription drugs and services. Massive shifts have occurred in the number of women with access to contraception through their health insurance over the past 15 years. In 1993, according to testimony by the Executive Director of the Women’s Research and Education Institute, women typically spent 68% more in out-of-pocket health care costs than men, a difference that was largely accounted for through reproductive health services. Today, nearly nine in ten employer-provided health insurance plans cover the full range of prescription contraceptives [AGI, 2004]. Still only half of all women of live in states that require contraceptive coverage of employers, and millions of women who don’t receive health insurance through their employers aren’t reached by these state laws [AGI, 2004]. As president, Hillary would work to enact the Equity in Prescription Insurance and Contraceptive Coverage Act, which would require health insurance plans to cover contraception to the same degree that they cover other forms of prescription drugs.

    Ensuring that women who survive sexual assault have access to emergency contraception (EC) upon request. Emergency contraception is a safe and effective way to help women who may be at risk for an unintended pregnancy. Yet, according to seven years of data from the Centers for Disease Control, fewer than half of all women who visited an emergency room after a sexual assault received emergency contraception becoming pregnant [Annals of Emergency Medicine, 2002]. Fourteen states already require hospital emergency rooms to provide emergency contraception-related services to sexual assault victims. Hillary would enact legislation to require hospitals to inform women who are victims of rape and sexual assault that EC is an option for them, and make it available or provide a referral upon their request, or risk losing federal funding.

    Implementing important public education initiatives about EC. Emergency contraception is a safe, effective back-up birth control method that reduces the risk of pregnancy by 75% [Boonstra, AGI, 2002]. Despite the widely acknowledged safety, efficacy, and acceptability of EC, many women do not know EC is an option for them and only 6% of women have ever used it [Kaiser Family Foundation, 2005]. Hillary would support efforts to increase awareness so that women can have full information about this proven option.

    Restoring the discount for birth control on college campuses and community health centers. The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 eliminated the ability of college health clinics and about 400 community health centers to receive deep discounts on contraception and pass those savings onto students. As a result, college students and low-income women across the country have seen the price of contraception rise by 300 or 400%. Many are choosing to take a risk on unprotected sex rather than pay the increase. Others are cutting down their budget for food or other necessities. Hillary will make restoring this discount a top priority.

    Supporting sex education programs that provide honest, accurate, complete information about abstinence, contraception, and disease prevention. Senator Clinton supports a more comprehensive approach to sex education that teaches young people to delay sexual activity, but also teaches them the basics of human sex and how to protect themselves from unintended pregnancy, HIV/AIDs and other sexually transmitted diseases. Fourteen states have rejected President Bush’s strict abstinence-only approach [Washington Post, December 16, 2007]. Hillary would provide funding for medically accurate, age appropriate, comprehensive sex education programs.

    Funding teen pregnancy prevention programs. The U.S. has one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the industrialized world, and teen pregnancy is associated with a host of poor outcomes for the parents and children of teen parents – lower employment rates, higher rates of welfare dependence, higher school dropout rates, and poorer health and academic outcomes. Hillary would set a national goal of reducing teen pregnancy by one third and invest in initiatives with a proven record of reducing teen pregnancy. In December, the CDC National Center for Health Statistics announced that the teen birth rate rose for the first time since 1991. Over the fourteen years preceding, the teen birth rate fell by 34 percent. Hillary will bring a concerted focus to breaking the cycle of teen pregnancy, and in doing so tackle the root cause of many social problems and help to improve prospects for young people, strengthen families and our nation.

    Conducting research into preventing unintended pregnancy. Hillary will invest in research efforts identify the most promising strategies for reducing the rate of unintended pregnancy. She will fund a pilot program to do rigorous analysis of the programs and strategies currently being undertaken, and will use the results of the research to determine the most effective strategies and practices going forward. Hillary will ensure that investments we make in reducing the number of unintended pregnancies are evidence-based, not ideologically driven.
    Providing Greater Access to Reproductive Health Care Services Overseas

    Overturning the Global Gag Rule and Reinstating the United Nations Population Fund. Hillary has said that on day one of her Administration she will overturn the global gag rule, which prohibits Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) from even talking about abortion in the event of an unplanned pregnancy. This rule has had devastating consequences on access to reproductive health care for women by forcing NGOs, which are sometimes the only health care provider for women’s health in a poor community, to choose between foregoing the funding they need to be sustainable and providing honest and accurate information to women about their options. In countries like Nepal, which are grappling with high rates of maternal death as a result of unsafe abortion and growing rates of HIV/AIDS, the global gag rule has devastated the limited reproductive health care infrastructure. Hillary will also reinstate for the United Nations Population Fund, which provides vital funding for family planning abroad. President Bush has eliminated this funding every year of his administration.

    Reproductive Health Services for Women Stationed at Military Bases Overseas. Nearly 3,000 military women reported being victims of sexual assault last year. Yet, women living on military bases overseas often have a hard time accessing emergency contraception and are prohibited from using their own money to pay for an abortion at a military medical health care provider. Hillary introduced the Compassionate Care for Servicewomen Act, which requires full access to emergency contraception for servicewomen at all U.S. military health care facilities around the world. As President, she will enact this legislation. President Clinton issued an executive order in 1993 to lift the ban on paying for abortion with private funds, but it was overturned by Congress in 1995, and has been in place every since. Hillary believes women stationed on U.S. military bases overseas should have the same access to the full range of reproductive health care as women living in the U.S., and as president she will work towards that day.

  • HillaryforTexas

    GO HILLARY! THE REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE STATEMENT KICKS ASS!!!!

  • terrondt

    hi hillfans, florida is a 20 plus landslide lock. whatever obama get’s froma potiential win in sc will be offsetted in florida.

  • mj

    Yeah, terron, you are right.

  • true2party

    I put Obama in the same category with Bloomberg and Lieberman.

    Voters do not know what they are
    Bloomberg was a Democrat and then a Republican and now and Independent
    Lieberman was a Democrat and then an Independent and now appears to be a Republican (supporting McCain)

  • Sherm Kader

    Wal-Mart anyone?

    “P. S. RE: OBAMA”S Wal-Mart crack. Barack Obama”s wife sits on the board of a food company that has PROFITED heavily from Wal-Mart. The following quotes are from an article from a British news outlet: (Michelle OBAMA) “…has just been re-elected to the board of an Illinois food-processing company, a position she took up two years ago…” “….the biggest customer for the pickles and peppers produced by Treehouse Foods is the retail giant Wal-Mart, the world”s largest corporation….” “….According to the couple”s tax returns, Mrs Obama earned $51,200 (#25,700) for her work as a non-executive director on Treehouse”s board last year, on top of the $271,618 salary she was paid as a vice-president of the University of Chicago Hospitals.She also received 7,500 Treehouse stock options, worth a further $72,375, as she did the previous year, when she banked a $45,000 salary from the company…..” “…According to Treehouse”s financial filings, Wal-Mart accounted for 16.1 per cent of its sales last year, up from 11.7 per cent in 2005 (a 37 per cent increase), comfortably making it the company”s biggest customer. Treehouse”s annual operating profits rose from $28 million two years ago to $84 million (up 200 per cent) in 2006.” I wonder how much the average worker got in raises or bonuses do to this Wal-Mart profits???? Michelle OBAMA apears to have gotten a 12% raise and as well as a big bonus.

    OBAMA IS NOT OUR POLITICAL “NEWCOMMER”

    A comment to a blog at:

    cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/22/politics/fromtheroad/entry3736821.shtml

  • clintondem99

    dot48,freckles, It is from Hillary’s fact hub. I just cut and pasted. CD99

  • dot48, I see you found “playmatemika” … doesn’t it fit her to a T?

  • Put Fox news on
    coming up Veterans administrtion sends bills to family members of killed GI’s to repay college tuition covered under the GI bill

  • terrondt

    i just got home hillfans from running errands with the wife. is big media covering the rezko zinger frim hillary to obama?

  • clintondem99

    Susan Rice on MSNBC. They are really desperate. They played the youtube video. They should give equal time for our campaign.

  • dot48

    Hillary needs to get this VA thing and be the first to respond. she is so strong for taking care of a vets.

    BMerry, yes I found you exactly described little miss playmate. she should watch herself sometimes, the snarky shrugs and eyelids.

  • kostner

    terrondt,

    I doubt so, drive-by media is in bed with their golden boy… Politico touched a bit on this though… Go to watch Hillary’s new video on Hillaryhub, she looks pretty!!!

    One thing about putting attacks in the mouth of the candidate, rather than staff: It pushes them into the conversation.

    Here’s my anecdotal evidence for this:

    I was on the Brian Lehrer Show this morning, a New York Public Radio show with a huge audience of Democratic primary voters. The theme was “truth-squadding” the debate, and to that effect, we spent a lot of time talking about Rezko. Then we spent a lot of time talking about Obama’s remarks on Republican ideas, and Reagan, with Lehrer playing the clip of his conversation with the Reno editorial board twice. Then we spent some time talking about his association of his policy with George W. Bush’s.

    The substance of those conversations won’t be new to readers of this blog, who have been paying a lot of attention. But it’ll probably be fairly new to a lot of radio listeners. And Obama’s central criticism of Hillary — her alleged dishonesty — wound up being another reason to focus on her attacks on him.

  • terrondt

    thanks kostner. i think it was great she bought up rezko when obama attacked first. we damn well know wolf or anybody else in big media would not mention rezko. hillary had to do it herself.

  • Tom Delay on Fox about Hillary and Bill ganging up on Obama. “He better get used to it”
    I took that as a veiled warning about what to expect from the Republicans if he is the nominee.

  • Obamican says: Obama was again charging that Clinton and her husband have been duplicitous in campaign trail attacks on his record, suggesting that the Clintons have shown a willingness to “fudge the truth” and will “say anything to get a political or tactical advantage.” ….

    If you get the kind of looseness with the facts that Senator Clinton’s displayed and you’re willing to say anything to get a political or tactical advantage — that erodes people’s trust in government,” he continued. “It makes them cynical. It’s part of the perpetual campaign that is how Washington all too often operates these days and it keeps us from solving problems.”

    http://www.weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/obama_clintons_will_say_anythi.html

    Note that a commenter wrote: Notice how Obama never mentions any actual proof that they are lieing. Obama has a very suspect record and he is finally being called on it. He cant seem to handle the heat. Keep on crying Obama.

    Another commenter wrote: Hope change lie hope change lie hope change lie. You know what desperation sounds like? The word lie lie lie comes up a lot when people defend themselves.

    Here’s a thought Obama why spend the hole time being righteous and giving us a sermon on lies and truth; convinced everyone is on the same page so you don’t have to flex your muscles, show your work. How bout you compile a list, I know you like doing that, and publish it as an official run down of the lies told by Clinton about you in the debate. Point by point. No interpretations, no sermons on truthiness. And, without having the media do the work for you.

  • On campaigning in Florida after Obama’s decision to run ads on cable there, in what the Clinton campaign says is a violation of the DNC four-state pledge: “You’ll have to ask them (the Obama campaign) what they are doing in Florida. I intend to abide by the pledge and follow the pledge and that’s what we are, you know, planning to do.”

    http://www.firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/22/598847.aspx

  • clintondem99

    From Roseanne Barr:

    oprah winfrey has refused to do a show with the FIRST WOMAN candidate for President who has EVER won a primary election, in the history of the United States of America. I saw Hilary on the ridiculous tyra banks’ show, and fumed. Hilary deserves to have been able to address the huge female demographic that Oprah’s billions came from. How very disgusting, and how very very telling!! Maybe if Hilary was discussing her fat thighs Oprah would have had her on. Oprah doesn’t really seem to respect the intelligence of her audience at all. Obama slaps the faces of his supporters with his traitorous praise of ronald reagan, the man who singlehandedly destroyed the working people, the economy, and the mental health safety net in this country, and told inner city kids that ketchup was a vegetable. I pray for the speedy failure of his divisive anti-feminist campaign. Oprah COULD HAVE delivered her viewers an audience with the most powerful and successful woman in American politics since Eleanor Roosevelt, and the only democratic candidate who has a prayer of winning this election at the most crucial time there has ever been in this country. I believe its she and David Geffen’s plan to elect fellow billionaire Romney. This country’s not going to elect a democrat who speaks well of republicans and reagan, like Barack Hussein Obama does. Wake Up! Diss-ing women’s century-old fight for political representation of their voice makes me SICK!!!

  • B Merryfield

    I emailed the DNC about Obama breaking the pledge and also emailed everyone in my address book to do the same. The ads should be pulled or the DNC has to lift the ban and seat the delegates. If they don’t they will end up looking like the Culinary Union weak and powerless. Obama is basically telling the DNC up yours.

  • Sherm Kader

    The effectiveness of Bill Clinton going after BHO was disussed on Fox in their Special Report. I don’t like that network, but I liked what they were saying this time. Here is a part of it:

    “MORT KONDRACKE, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, ROLL CALL: Yes. Well, Bill Clinton is playing Hillary Clinton’s hatchet man and expending his worldwide reputation as the guy who is beating up on Barack Obama.

    And some people are criticizing him and even some people in the campaign are criticizing him, but he would not be doing what he is doing if Hillary didn’t want him to do it. And I’ve got to say, it is pretty effective, because it is driven Barack Obama into rookie mistakes.

    One of the major rookie mistakes that you should not make is to get into a fight with a surrogate of the candidate that you’re opposing. So now he is in a fight with Bill Clinton. It is like you are the presidential nominee and you get into a fight with the vice presidential nominee of the other party — it’s crazy.

    The second thing you don’t do is you don’t get on the defensive, and Barack Obama is on the defensive and explaining himself and saying other people are lying about me. He is not going after Hillary’s vulnerabilities, such as saying “35 years of experience? Like what?” That sort of thing.”

    There is more:

    foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324571,00.html

  • CD99 from Roseanne Barr

    Obama slaps the faces of his supporters with his traitorous praise of ronald reagan, the man who singlehandedly destroyed the working people, the economy, and the mental health safety net in this country, and told inner city kids that ketchup was a vegetable.

    I highlighted this because I had heard someone mention it before — among all the other wonderful things RR did — and thought that this deserves some attention, particularly in light of what has/is happening to all our Iraq vets who are coming home with this new brain disorder due to combat conditions.

    Anyone have any info about it?

  • I’ll have to confess here a little to put the mental health system into context. Fresh out of highschool I was accepted to the NH State Mental Hospital school of nursing. I was only there one semester and I will never forget the impression that it made on a 17 yo. We were in the classroom half the day and on the wards half the day. You see, the school was free and we literally worked for our bread and butter. I just can’t imagine what happened to all those people and the thousands like them when they were turned out on the street. This is a big issue.

  • My husband has worked years in corrections and now our county jails and state prisons are the new mental hospitals.

  • Paula

    clintondem99, Who is Susan Rice? Is she with Obama’s campaign?

  • Ben (hi Ben) has a video up with an impromtu Halperin interview with Bill about 1992.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Quizzing_Clinton.html

  • Susan Rice is an Obama foreign policy adviser. She used to work in the Clinton admin.

  • Time magazine gave Obama a higher score than Hillary!
    Are they brain dead?

  • If you’ve got free long distance, you might want to give Obama’s Voter Hotline a call: 1-877-622-6228. Ben Smith wrote that he got no answer but I just did. Be creative.

  • Paula

    Thanks. I thought her name sounded familiar. So she was whining on MSNBC about them showing that youtube video? Geez. The Obama people have had a free ride for so long that don’t know how to handle the teeniest bit of criticism.

  • CJ

    pro abortion rally is on and a BIG standup of hillary..in beautiful color red someone is carrying it at the rally..

  • mj

    CJ, it’s pro-choice, NOT pro-abortion.

  • CJ

    there ya go mj thats what i meant i said it wrong lol..im glad u keep me in line lol..

  • mj

    It’s ok, CJ. The Repubs always say that, so it’s a pet peeve.

  • DemHawk

    speaking about republicans, Fred dropped out…

  • terrondt

    fred”krueger” thompson out of the race. this guy was a joke. when i learned he entered the race i said this guy is the one of the worst and laziest candidates around. big media was foaming at the guy. a few months later they turned on his ass becuase he was such a lousy candidate. plus he looks 20 years older than his 65. just a small input on him.

  • hwc

    Call the Obama voter hotline and ask them for some help understanding Rezko. They love that!

    Teee heee heee…..

  • true2party

    hey, right now, our girl is speaking …. send out some good vibes into the universe…..that’s my new agey self talking.
    ____________________________
    Hillary Clinton to speak at Hartnell
    The Monterey County Herald
    Article Launched: 01/22/2008 10:56:22 AM PST

    Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is scheduled to speak at Hartnell College today with Dolores Huerta, co-founder of the United Farm Workers Union.
    Local Democratic officials said Sen. Clinton will deliver her speech about 2:20 p.m. in the college’s main gym.

    Doors open at 1:30 p.m. and the campaign event starts at 2 p.m. People are encouraged to arrive early to speed security procedures and not to bring bags or pursues.

    The college is at 156 Homestead Ave. in Salinas.

  • true2party

    b merry, at 2:26

    Edwards must be pissed…….oh boy.

  • Berkeley Vox

    The Clinton team’s work on asking voters to “look at the candidates’ records, not their rhetoric” is finally paying off. Obama is wildly off message and making rookie gaffe after gaffe. He told numerous lies last night during the debate and looked completely lost up there.

  • t2p, looks like the next debate will be as “exciting” as the last one. JRE will be on this one like stink on :mrgreen: !

  • Berkeley Vox, some of BHO’s dissembling is because he can’t remember what he’s said and done. Nobody ever held him accountable before. However, some of his bullpucky is flat out lies.

  • filbertsf

    mj Says:

    January 22nd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
    CJ, it’s pro-choice, NOT pro-abortion.

    mj, ditto! The Clintons’ motto on abortion: “safe, legal, and rare.”

    I like to call social conservatives “anti-choice” rather than “anti-abortion.”

  • admin, came across this suggestion online re national campaign advertising:

    “Cable buys can be a cheap and efficient way to do that by targeting young people who watch prime-time and late-night shows on Comedy Central, Cartoon’s Network’s Adult Swim, and MTV’s reality series (yeah, trust me, a lot of 20 somethings still tune in).”

  • Don’t forget the Game Show Network a lot of senior citizens watch it constantly.

  • texan4hillary

    sc’s big paper state backs obama-
    http://www.thestate.com/opinion/story/293153.html

  • HillaryforTexas

    It’s a very conservative paper, t4h. Very.

  • Sherm Kader

    I’m very excited about the turn this campaign has taken. I’m glad we have finally begun to fight. I worried about that yesterday. I expected a response to the challenges thrown down by Obama, but I couldn’t guess how it would come. Now that it has begun, I’m very relieved and very impressed. I knew this fight had to be made, and I was afraid Hillary’s hands were somehow tied by the media. She was damned if she did and damned if she didn’t. She and Bill are moving skillfully through those troubled waters.

    I remember a President who did not fight back, and he lost. Maybe he would have lost anyway, but I knew he had a much better record than people were saying. I also knew I was one of the few people who was actually campaigning and fighting to defend his record. I was a nobody in politics, so it didn’t help a lot.

    I tried to get the campaign to start fighting for President Carter. I complained to Ann Lewis, Robert Strauss, Jody Powell, Hamilton Jordan, Chip Carter, and anyone else who would listen. They were nice about it and assured me the fight would begin soon, but it never happened. Carter was not a fighter. Later I hated standing before the TV cameras in my county to talk about Carter conceding to Ronald Reagan. I didn’t want to ever go through that kind of disappointment again. Even if I was in a position to do so, I wouldn’t have that problem this time. That’s thanks to all of you good people on this forum among many others. What a great job all of you are doing!

  • Roseanne’s latest blog entry:

    oprah winfrey has refused to do a show with the FIRST WOMAN candidate for President who has EVER won a primary election, in the history of the United States of America. I saw Hilary on the ridiculous tyra banks’ show, and fumed. Hilary deserves to have been able to address the huge female demographic that Oprah’s billions came from. How very disgusting, and how very very telling!! Maybe if Hilary was discussing her fat thighs Oprah would have had her on. Oprah doesn’t really seem to respect the intelligence of her audience at all. Obama slaps the faces of his supporters with his traitorous praise of ronald reagan, the man who singlehandedly destroyed the working people, the economy, and the mental health safety net in this country, and told inner city kids that ketchup was a vegetable. I pray for the speedy failure of his divisive anti-feminist campaign. Oprah COULD HAVE delivered her viewers an audience with the most powerful and successful woman in American politics since Eleanor Roosevelt, and the only democratic candidate who has a prayer of winning this election at the most crucial time there has ever been in this country. I believe its she and David Geffen’s plan to elect fellow billionaire Romney. This country’s not going to elect a democrat who speaks well of republicans and reagan, like Barack Hussein Obama does. Wake Up! Diss-ing women’s century-old fight for political representation of their voice makes me SICK!!!

  • OkieAtty

    “Clinton to begin running ads in Oklahoma this week”

    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080122_1__OKLAH23760

    By Murray Evans, Associated Press Writer
    1/22/2008 &nbsp4:28 AM

    OKLAHOMA CITY — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton will begin running television ads in Oklahoma this week, making her the first presidential candidate of either major party to do so during the current election cycle.

    Clinton’s ads will run on television stations across the state starting on Wednesday, campaign spokesman Isaac Baker said. The 30-second commercial touts Clinton, a U.S. senator from New York, as the candidate who “will bring your voice” to the presidency.

    Oklahoma is one of 22 states that will hold a Democratic primary or caucus on Feb. 5 on what is popularly referred to as “Super Tuesday.” Of the 1,678 Democratic delegates at stake that day, 47 will be from Oklahoma.

    Clinton is dueling with Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina for the party’s nomination. Edwards finished a close second to Wesley Clark in the party’s primary in 2004 in Oklahoma.

    Clinton has led in pre-election polls of Democrats in the state, but Ivan Holmes, the state Democratic chairman, has said Edwards will be strong in Oklahoma by virtue of his frequent visits and his 2004 showing.

    Baker declined to say how much Clinton’s campaign is spending on the Oklahoma ads, other than to call it “a significant buy. … I think we’ll have a significant presence on TV statewide to share Senator Clinton’s message with the people of Oklahoma.”

    University of Oklahoma political science professor Keith Gaddie said the fact Clinton’s campaign is buying the ad time is an indication that it recognizes it is in a race. What makes Oklahoma unique, Gaddie said, is that Clinton’s race is not with Obama, but with Edwards, who trails both Clinton and Obama in national polls.

    Major campaigns like Clinton’s “don’t have to worry about targeting particular markets, but they want to get into markets where they now can win. … For Edwards, this is a state where he did well before and a state where he could do well again, but you’ve got to close the gap and he doesn’t have the money to close the gap.”

    Gaddie noted that a significant percentage of Oklahoma primary voters remain undecided. He said the Clinton campaign can combine voter targeting work, phone calls and door-to-door work by volunteers, then “reinforce that with TV and use that to convert” undecided voters.

    Former President Bill Clinton will visit Oklahoma on Jan. 30 to campaign for his wife and give a speech at the University of Oklahoma. Edwards made two visits to Oklahoma last week.

    In the ad, Hillary Clinton asks, “in this troubled economy, how can so many millions of people simply not be heard?” Then she answers, “Well, I hear you.

    “You’re asking for health care that covers everyone. Protection from losing your home. You’d like to fill your tank without draining your wallet and give your kids the future they deserve. If I am your president, I will bring more than 35 years of experience to the White House. I will bring your voice.”

    A graphic during the final part of the ad notes Clinton’s campaign “is about people.”

    Baker said Oklahoma “is a state where her message about reviving the economy and building the middle class will really resonate.”

  • Paula

    Sherm Krader, What a wonderful post!

    BTW, I don’t know if this has been posted, but ARG has Hillary up 59-21 in Fla.

    Democrats Jan 20-21
    Clinton 59%
    Edwards 14%
    Gravel -
    Kucinich 1%
    Obama 21%
    Undecided 5%

    Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama among men 56% to 22%, with 16% for John Edwards, and she leads Obama 62% to 20% among women. Clinton leads Obama among early voters 68% to 20% and she leads Obama among in-person voters 56% to 22%. Clinton leads among white voters with 63%, with Edwards at 17% and Obama at 15%. Obama leads Clinton among African American voters 75% to 19%. And Clinton leads among Hispanic voters with 72%, with Obama at 11% and Edwards at 9%.

  • TheRealist

    Funny stuff on, “Big Speech Obama”, Vs “Debate Obama”,

    “But then there’s Debate Obama, a hesitant, stuttering, easily rattled and mostly unsmiling public performer who litters his platitudes and “uh’s” and misses countless opportunities to throw his opponents’ taunts back in their faces. Debate Obama unwittingly affirms Hillary Clinton’s suggestion that he lacks the seasoning to withstand the scrutiny of a fall campaign and leaves those who have only seen Big Speech Obama wondering, “Is this really the same guy?”

    http://www.observer.com/2008/debate-obama-does-not-soar

  • TheRealist

    Paula-

    His demos are starting to look worse than Sharpton’s…

  • dot48

    I just called his voter hotline and asked about Rezko!! the guy got all hostile and flustered. asked me why I didn’t go on the internet to Obama’s website.

    I said I found it pretty telling that Chicago Sun Times had Mr. Obama’s picture on the front page with the lord and before I picked a candidate I would need to know the positions on this cause I sure didn’t want to support somebody who was going to get took down in a big scandal during the election process…

    I said well will you ask Mr. Obama to address this and tell the voters the truth so we can be clear. He said he’d pass it along LOL

    they are totally afraid of this thing

  • clintondem99

    TheRealist,

    I’m LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game.”

    – Sen. Barack Obama, quoted in the new book Obama: From Promise to Power by David Mendell, likening himself as NBA star LeBron James as he walked around the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston.

    I guess Debate Obama is no Lebron more like Bumblebama.

  • JAS

    I have been thinking about SC. All HRC has to do is tighten up the race, lose by no more than 3-4 points, and she can call it a win. No matter what BO is backed up in a corner. Tell me if I am wrong?

  • Caroline

    dot48, you are hilarious LMAO.

  • terrondt

    paula, a whole slew of florida polls are breaking out all over the place 1 week before the vote. all huge leads.

  • terrondt

    rumor has it cnn is coming out with another florida dem poll this evening.

  • terrondt

    hillfans, i forgot. early voting is underway in florida so expect her lead to be safe and far away from obama.

  • OkieAtty

    I got word this morning the Tulsa meeting was off, but they may reschedule later this week.

  • Kingsgrove – In the clip I saw, Bill didn’t say ‘roll the dice.’ If he didn’t say it, then he’s being misquoted and wrongly accused.

  • Charles Krauthammer:
    If he is trying to imply that a two on one is unfair, it won’t help him. He is a big boy and these are the big leagues, and you got to fight.

    Hill and Bill twofer one is just realistic. If she/they win, we’ll have the good old team back in the White House, so why shouldn’t they both be campaigning?

    Obama has got famous people who can make speeches for him too: Oprah, JJJr, lots of them. What’s his problem?

  • Re Hillary working for environmental standards at WAlmart, hasn’t Gore had some dealings with them in the last year or so, getting them to continue some serious ‘greening’?

  • Emjay

    Hullo all. I think we got left behind again. Of course it took me til now to read everybody’s gems of wisdom.

    Let’s go play with the other kids.