Reality Meets The Press

Hillary took on Big Media yesterday and beat the press. [Watch the whole show HERE] [The transcript of the show is HERE.]

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In contrast to Obama appearances on the “prestigious” NBC Sunday morning talk show Meet The Press, Tim Russert tried and tried to bring up every painful episode in Hillary’s life and tried to assist the Obama campaign by circulating their smears.

Hillary was extremely effective in countering Russert’s “not one shred of truth” attacks regarding race. Russert, almost a surrogate for the Obama campaign, tried vainly to prop up Obama’s real record concerning the Iraq war.

Hillary asked of Obama “What did you do?” after the 2002 speech.

Hillary repeatedly challenged Russert’s assertions and Russert failed to engage the debate with complete quotes and facts. Finally Russert issued a challenge of sorts. We’ll take up the challenge. [We also provide the links.]

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Here is the transcript of the segment that begins the discussion on Iraq and the difference between action and words (note Hillary’s first sentence confronts Russert directly on his distortions):

MR. RUSSERT: In Newsweek, you gave an interview to Jon Meacham, and you talked about the personal narrative that candidates develop. You seem to compare Barack Obama to, you say, demagogues like Huey Long.

SEN. CLINTON: Oh, that is so untrue and unfair. Look, if you are running for president based primarily on a speech you gave in 2002 and speeches you have given since, most notably at the Democratic Convention, then I think it is fair to say we need to know more beyond the words. You know, if you are part of American political history, you know that the speeches are essential to frame an issue, to inspire and lift up people. But when the cameras are gone and when the lights are out, what happens next? How do you translate your words into deeds?

And I think, you know, starting in New Hampshire it became clear that one of the significant contrasts in this campaign is between talking and doing, between rhetoric and reality. And I have the greatest regard for rhetoric and particularly the ability that Senator Obama has to, you know, lift our sights and our hearts with his oratory. But I think it is fair to point out that he has not had a record of actually producing positive change. Translating those words into action is something that is the, you know, the slow, hard, boring of hard boards in politics, and I think that people, you know, deserve to ask themselves questions about that contrast.

Here is the segment wherein Russert issues a challenge regarding Obama’s record on Iraq:

SEN. CLINTON: Because by 2004, Tim, by the summer of 2004, Senator Obama said he wasn’t sure how he would have voted. And when you asked him about that, he said, well, he didn’t want to say something that could have hurt our nominees, Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards. Well, the fact is he’s always said he doesn’t take positions for political reasons. That is a political explanation. If he was against the war in 2002, he should’ve strongly spoke out in 2004. He should’ve followed what he said in his speech, which was that he would not vote for funding in ‘05, ‘06 and ’07. That is inconsistent with what he is now running his campaign on. The story of his campaign is premised on that speech.

MR. RUSSERT: Viewers can read the transcript from November 11 when I did talk to Senator Obama about this. He also added that from his vantage point, the administration had not made the case, but let people read it and make up their own minds.

Here is the November 11, 2007 Meet The Press show Tim Russert referenced which featured Barack Obama. [Transcript HERE]

Is Hillary correct? Does Hillary mischaracterize Obama’s “political explanation” in any way? We’ll let you meet the press challenge:

MR. RUSSERT: You were not in the Senate in October of 2002. You did give a speech opposing the war. But Senator Clinton’s campaign will say since you’ve been a senator there’s been no difference in your record. And other critics will say that you’ve not been a leader against the war, and they point to this: In July of ‘04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of ‘04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it.

SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq.

Look, I was opposed to this war in 2002, 2003, four, five, six and seven. What I was very clear about, even in 2002 in my original opposition, was once we were in, we were going to have to make some decisions to see how we could stabilize the situation and act responsibly. And that’s what I did through 2004, five and six, try to see can we create a workable government in Iraq? Can we make sure that we are minimizing the humanitarian costs in Iraq? Can we make sure that our troops are safe in Iraq? And that’s what I have done. Finally, in 2006, 2007, we started to see that, even after an election, George Bush continued to want to pursue a course that didn’t withdraw troops from Iraq but actually doubled down and initiated the surge. And at that stage, I said, very clearly, not only have we not seen improvements, but we’re actually worsening, potentially, a situation there. And since that time I’ve been absolutely clear in terms of the approach that I would take. I would end this war, and I would have our troops out within 16 months.

Hillary is right. Obama says he does not make decisions based on politics but on November 11, 2007 Obama admitted he made a political decision on the Iraq war based on political considerations. Again, when the New York Times in July 2004 asked Obama how he would have voted in 2002, Obama said, “What would I have done? I don’t know.” In a 2006 interview with The New Yorker Obama said “I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence.” “And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices.” When Obama spoke with the Chicago Tribune Obama said, “On Iraq, on paper, there’s not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. […] There’s not much of a difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”

More Hillary:

CLINTON: What he was talking about was very directly about the story of Sen. Obama’s campaign, being premised on a speech he gave in 2002 and that was to his credit. He gave a speech opposing the war in Iraq. He gave a very impassioned speech against it and consistently said that he was against the war, he would vote against the funding for the war. By 2003, that speech was off his website. By 2004, he was saying that he didn’t really disagree with the way George Bush was conducting the war. And by 2005, 6, and 7, he was voting for $300 billion in funding for the war. The story of his campaign is really the story of that speech and his opposition to Iraq. I think it is fair to ask questions about, what did you do after the speech was over? And when he became a senator, he didn’t go to the floor of the Senate to condemn the war in Iraq for 18 months. He didn’t introduce legislation against the war in Iraq. He voted against timelines and deadlines initially. So I think it’s important that we get the contrast and the comparisons out. I think that’s fair game. [Meet the Press, 1/13/07]

Yesterday Tim Russert discoverd that Reality Bites.

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642 thoughts on “Reality Meets The Press

  1. Why is no one offended that Obama is comparing himself with JFK and MLK? That is the offensive act. Where is the generation that marched and fought besides these men to say with outrage – I knew JFK and MLK and you are no JFK or MLK? What has this man done but take the fast track each and every time. To compare himself to these men is to shame his community (as his wife calls it). This is a man who has never and I repeat never won an election honestly. He eliminates his opponents through legal tactics (educate yourself on the State Senate race in the 13th district of Illinois and improbable leaks. Why is no one outraged that HE is using race to divide SC not unite it – is this how he wants to win the black vote? I guess we know the answer to that one don’t we.

  2. HRC won MTP! It is really sad that MTP turned in to a debate between HRC and Timmeh. Some of us were not surprised.

    We should all be proud of her!

  3. repost on new

    Good Morning – as far as Morning Joe…in the second half they picked up again on the race thing…stating that it is not good for the Dems, not good for Obama and not good if Hill wins since it would sully her win and make it hard for party to unite…then they had Andrea Mitchell video report rehashing the whole weekend with the clips we have seen of both camps all weekend…then Jack Welch was on…with a few backhanded comments about her appearance on MTP and how her answer to the Iraq question was inauthentic and basically a lie…however when pressed he said it would be Hill and McCain with Hill probably winning…MSNBC will not drop the race thing…

    now on C-span a whole segment devoted to ‘the presidential campaign and Hillary’ with AP writer Beth Fouhy…once again angry Obama calls hitting Hillary excusing her of stealing NH and on an on…obviously a coordinated effort by Obama people…maybe one Hillary supporter…Beth Fouhy is being fair

  4. Good Morning Everyone. I saw Clinton with Tim yesterday. She looked good, and she was on fire. There were some things said about the Iraq

    Chuck Hagel is no friend of the democrats. As Hillary said, he was there with the Iraq (anti-terrorist) resolution in hand. I did not know that until yesterday. Why I have disliked Chuck Hagel before is that he has tried to bring a certain “democrat”.

  5. Said Obama yesterday in Las Vegas:

    “As soon as you decided, I’m going to support the outsider, I’m going to support the new guy, I’m going to support the guy who is standing with the working people instead of the big shots,” Mr. Obama told union members here, “all of the sudden, they decide they want to change the rules.”

    “They” are the Nevada State Education Association who filed the lawsuit… Obama’s not exactly endearing himself to the teachers is he?

  6. Lynn Sweet of the Sun-Times on Obama’s war funding hypocrisy:

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/739563,CST-NWS-sweet14.article

    When Barack Obama was running for a U.S. Senate seat from Illinois in 2004, he filled out a questionnaire for the Chicago Sun-Times answering “no” to this question: Would you have voted for the $87 billion supplemental appropriation for Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Once elected to the Senate, Obama voted for a series of war funding measures, as did chief rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).

    For months, the Clinton campaign has been trying to get people to pay attention to this point, as Obama’s White House drive features his initial opposition to the Iraq war in 2002 when he was an Illinois state senator.

    Clinton wants the focus to be on what Obama did regarding war funding once he got in the Senate. Obama wants to emphasize he was against war authorization and Clinton voted for it. She wants to talk about funding and plant seeds about whether Obama’s anti-war talk in his presidential campaign matches his actions while a senator.

  7. I got Chuck Hagel and Richard Lugar mixed up. I dislike Lugar, not so much Hagel, for reasons related to trying to make a certain “democrat” a republican dressed in dem. clothing. …in the Foreign Relations committee.

    I actually enjoyed watching Hagel and Warner et al on the senate floor speaking some sense regarding Iraq. BTW, I am pretty sure that Hillary was up on the Senate floor speaking some sense about Iraq BEFORE Obama. And I know because I saw it with my own eyes that Hillary b*^ch-slapped the then Sec. of Defense several times when no one else would, e.g. Obama.

    So, Chuck Hagel, I don’t hate you. I got you mixed up with Lugar, who I really don’t trust at all, which makes me not trust Obama because they have both saddled up with each other and don’t be surprised if Lugar appears in Obama’s cabinet, should Obama win the GE (which I can’t see him doing).

    So, that makes my initial thoughts about the MTP interview void. I need more coffee…BRB

  8. Brought forward from this morning:

    The New Yorker, May 2004:

    “The left in Illinois, as it happens, is monitoring Obama for similar trimming toward the political center. When his speech at the antiwar rally in 2002 was quietly removed from his campaign Web site, activists found that to be an ominous sign. It is traditional, of course, for politicians to tack to the center after winning a primary, hoping to attract swing voters. Earlier this month, when major newspapers (including the Times) and leading Democrats (including Illinois’s other senator, Dick Durbin) began calling for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as a result of the Abu Ghraib prison-torture revelations, Obama criticized the Administration’s Iraq policy, but added, “I have no doubt about Donald Rumsfeld’s sincerity.” Deciding Rumsfeld’s fate, he said, should be left to President Bush. “

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/721461,CST-NWS-iowa01.article

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    So, ask yourself, this ONE speech was on BHO’s website, removed, then restored. Where are the rest of his speeches? articles about his anti-war stance? And why were local politicians so concerned .. what did they know or think they knew?

  9. People do not understad that is was political expediency that made Obama give the 2002 Iraq war speech and had very liitle to do with principles and convictions.

    His strategy for winning the Democratic Senate nomination hinged on his ability to form a coalition among blacks and so-called lakefront liberals in Chicago, hardly a pro-war constituency. His rivals for the nomination also would criticize the war.

    _ Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois voted against Bush on Iraq in 2002 and breezed to re-election shortly after Obama’s signature speech.

    _The Chicago Sun-Times published an October 2002 poll under the headline “Illinois is not ready for war.”

    The survey found that more than half of the voters in the Democratic-leaning state wanted more proof that Saddam was developing weapons of mass destruction before the United States waged war.
    Iraq was not a major issue in the race, according to several Illinois political observers.

    There was no courage here folks only political expediency

  10. Looks like she is listening. This from http://www.politico.com 24/7
    They are using Chelsea more to connect with the young voters. Smart strategy.

    MAKING NEWS THIS WEEK: Carla Marinucci of the San Francisco Chronicle has deets on a “surprise campaign swing” through California by Chelsea Clinton, who attended “San Francisco’s Glide Memorial Church before visiting her mother’s Howard Street campaign headquarters, where she was surrounded by crowds of eager volunteers making calls on the senator’s behalf. She also stopped at the House of Nanking for Chinese food and two college locations – Hastings College of the Law and her alma mater, Stanford University – where she met with students and took questions regarding the Clinton campaign. … On Friday, she went to a UC San Diego dorm to ask college students to vote for her mother. On Saturday, the usually blasé crowd at the Santa Monica Farmers’ Market – more than used to seeing celebrities – lined up to take pictures with her as she moved though the area. She had lunch with gay and lesbian undecided voters and later sat with UCLA Democratic student activists and visited two sororities, handling questions on issues ranging from her mother’s health care policies and the war in Iraq to the “double standard” for women running for office and how she handles criticism.”

  11. About that 2002 antiwar rally:

    “Ironically, Obama’s 2002 speech went largely unnoticed at the time. No newspaper quoted him calling the war in Iraq a ‘dumb war.’ Only two newspapers, the Defender and the Daily Herald, even noted he attended the rally.”

    64.233.169.104/search?q=cache: EuUsYPiYy44J:findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is _20071003/ai_n21020243+Obama,+anti-
    war+protest,+Chicago&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

    Sorry about length of link but haven’t been able to find original.

    Metroblogging Chicago, March 17, 2006, announcing Antiwar Protest next day in Chicago: “Were you aware this protest was taking place? While the Trib featured this article on their homepage this morning, I had to search the Sun-Times website to find any mention of the protest. No mention of the protest on Sen. Obama’s website, nor on Sen. Durbin’s.”

    chicago.metblogs.com/archives/2006/03/d_for_disillusi.phtml

  12. I love this line from Krugman:
    “And you have to say that Mrs. Clinton seems comfortable with and knowledgeable about economic policy. I’m sure the Hillary-haters will find some reason that’s a bad thing, but there’s something to be said for presidents who know what they’re talking about.”

    This is from the leading progressive economist in the country.

  13. The part of me that’s really evil 🙂 liked this one from Krugman very much:

    The Obama campaign’s initial response to the latest wave of bad economic news was, I’m sorry to say, disreputable: Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser claimed that the long-term tax-cut plan the candidate announced months ago is just what we need to keep the slump from “morphing into a drastic decline in consumer spending.” Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?

  14. DemAC, I didn’t pick up on that:
    “Hmm: claiming that the candidate is all-seeing, and that a tax cut originally proposed for other reasons is also a recession-fighting measure — doesn’t that sound familiar?”

    Devastating.

  15. Gosh, this guy is so self-important. Everything is about him.

    DemAC Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 9:27 am
    Said Obama yesterday in Las Vegas:

    “As soon as you decided, I’m going to support the outsider, I’m going to support the new guy, I’m going to support the guy who is standing with the working people instead of the big shots,” Mr. Obama told union members here, “all of the sudden, they decide they want to change the rules.”

  16. Krugman’s column is good, but this quote from the EDITORIAL page of the NYT is even better, because it can be useed in a commercial and mailing to voters;

    “The Democratic front-runners have been slow off the mark, but they’re catching on. Last week, Hillary Clinton called for a robust short-term stimulus package, including more federal spending for jobless benefits, home heating aid and grants to states to help prevent foreclosures. John Edwards has been pushing a similar plan for weeks. Barack Obama announced a rescue plan Sunday that relies more heavily on targeted tax cuts to get the economy moving, and less on direct spending.

    THE PROPOSALS FROM MRS. CLINTON and Mr. Edwards are closer to WHAT’S NEEDED and the type of stimulus that Congressional leaders and the White House should begin to discuss as soon as President Bush returns from his Middle East trip. Even such welcome steps would need to be designed and managed carefully to ensure that they don’t permanently add to the deficit. Spending to manage a crisis need not be paid for immediately. Lawmakers and all of the candidates will still need to explain how stimulus measures would be paid for later on, when the economy has recovered.”

  17. Mr Clean??? Did you guys see this in NY post:

    January 14, 2008 — PRESIDENTIAL hopeful Barack Obama claims to run a clean campaign, but someone in his camp took a swipe at Hillary Clinton through the candidate’s theme song.

    As Obama and his wife, Michelle, strolled triumphantly into his victory party in Des Moines, Iowa, on Jan. 3, Jay-Z’s “99 Problems” was blaring. In it, Jay raps, “I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one.”

    Some listeners took it as a not-so-sly reference to Hillary.

    “We didn’t know he used that,” a shocked Clinton spokesperson said.

  18. Obama’s plan is more tailored to the income brackets of society that support him. Hillary’s plan (and Edwards’s too of course) is much more focused on putting money in the hands of people likely to spend it, as Krugman put it.

    Obama’s plan is not really a stimulus of the economy; it’s tax cuts for the groups most likely to vote for him in the primaries. There is something classy about Hillary’s and Edwards’s plans. There are echoes of FDR and LBJ. I really don’t know what to call Obama’s plan however – perhaps “politically expedient” is the nicest thing to say.

  19. he said he stands with working people? instead of the big shots? yeah, right. He knows very little about what working people go through, day-to-day or how to improve our lives.

    The minute I saw the connection between him and Michael Bloomberg and big media, I knew he was bad news for the working class. And Krugman’s analysis proves it for me.

    How can Obama get away with saying one thing and then doing another? Don’t people know they’re being lied to?

  20. Regarding NV numbers says Chris Cillizza, “The Fix” at WaPo:


    Predictions are precarious in any political race (see New Hampshire) but even more so in the Silver State’s caucuses. Nevada has never hosted a presidential caucus before, and trying to decipher who will vote is a total guessing game. […] We’ve written before about how difficult it is to poll a caucus state like Iowa. But imagine how much more difficult it is to poll a caucus state without any voting history to rely on? Given the last week in politics and the high number of unknowns in this state, prognostication is impossible.

  21. He actually had that song from Jay-Z playing in Iowa? Are you serious? OH, that really pisses me off!

    But, it’s so revealing of what he really thinks…probably we’re finally seeing his true character?

    Come to think of it, I guess it’s expected. How can you grow up in such an anti-woman country (Indonesia) with ties to an anti-woman religion (Islam in Kenya) and use songs from anti-woman genre (rap music) and NOT being anti-woman to a certain degree? Hello, people (women)!

    Wake the hell up!

  22. After having read numerous articles in the past week or so, my thoughts on the caucus locations is this .. although it might seen to be accommodating the workers, the placement of caucus locations at the place of work could work more as a form of intimidation than anything else, which is why I see at least one point of contesting the practice. These are not private voting booths but, like Iowa, require multi-lingual multi-cultural English-speaking and non-English-speaking voters to argue their positions in a public forum. Short and sweet of it, it’s a form of voter suppression.

  23. Yesterday I emailed Senator McCaskill on her website. I have just called her Washington D.C. office (202)224-6154; fax: 202-228-6326 and told the young man who answered that I was dismayed at the Senator’s endorsement of Senator Obama, I let him know that I worked for her campaign, donated money as well as voted for her. I told him that it would have been better had she remained neutral but that since she had done this I would not/could not vote for her again when she was up for re-election.
    It is interesting, as someone from Missouri, that I now remember Claire McCaskill decided in 2004 that she was going to run for govenor of our state. We had a Democratic govenor at that time who was planning on running for re-election. Against the advice of the Democratic power brokers here, she decided to challenge Govenor Holden in the primary. This split the party and both candidates spent a ton of money that could have been used in the general election against Baby Blunt, our now Republican govenor. She defeated Bob Holden but lost to the aforementioned Matt Blunt. It should be noted that she is essentially doing the same thing here – helping to split the Democratic party in a primary. Just an observation. Call, write and fax to her office.an

  24. The point is…. Nevada campaigning there must give clear instructions to voters of what they have to do, and tell them that the Clinton campaign will support them no matter which union they are in.

    It’s not about the Cullinary, but about the future of the nation. This is the argument that must be presented. Secondly GET PEOPLE TO GO!

  25. BTW, I’m not saying that I dislike Jay-Z’s music. Because I do. I know he’s not anti-woman. But, that song really pisses me off! Other than those 5 words in the song, it’s an ok song. I own that CD, and I paid full price for it b/c I wanted it really bad. It’s a great CD, but that song really pisses me off!

  26. I love JZ, but it’s not really an appropriate campaign song, and that “bitch” stuff isn’t just a line, it’s actually the chorus.

  27. why that particular song did he choose? The “bitch”. HRC campaign needs to seize this. Somebody in her team needs to be combing everything done or said by obama. he definitely has somebody sound byting every hillary/bill comment

  28. hillary can use that song and those words. he can’t come up with a plausible answer cause he planned NH to be a bitchslap to Hillary and women

    Get on it campaign

  29. “Frankly Florida is really important to us, so we are gonna put if not everything into Florida, almost everything.” — Rudy Giuliani

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo… What a shocker! Who could’ve known!?

  30. Looks like BHO supporters are going to return Little Denny’s loyalty by voting for him in Michigan. First, DK tells his supporters to throw his votes in BHO’s basket. Then, in NH, DK obediently ponies up for a vote recount because, you know, we’re all racists there and managed a state-wide conspiracy to hack the vote so that BHO, then about 14 points ahead in the polls, would lose. They’re nothing if not creative.

  31. Hillary must offer the hand of friendship to Obama tomorrow on live TV.

    Firslty, it will put Obama on the spot, how will he react? If he reacts badly he loses, if he’s positive than Hillary is the peacemaker. Secondly, she should say that Bill Clinton was reckless with his words, but it was never intended to be what it’s been potrayed.

    Who agrees?

  32. Yeah, it is in the chorus, but the rest of the Jay-Z version of the song is good as long as you skip all the choruses. I do know that the original song is from Ice-T, which is a horrible song!!! But Jay-Z is an awesome musician. When I first heard that song, I was really pissed b/c I was like “I just spent that $17.00 on this?” What a feeling that was. I always skip that track.

  33. maybe someone could get to Rachel that comes on MSNBC but the best thing would be for her campaign ..to seize this today before the debate.

    this has legs, st rong legs that they can’t gloss over.

  34. the thing is HE chose that song with that chorus, with that word,

    I feel this is huge and should be brought out for women of all color to hear. It goes to his character and how he really feels about women in general.

  35. The reason why I bought that CD, btw, was for track 6 (“Dirt off your shoulder”). I also like “Lucifer.” To me, the CD is about rising out of the ashes, like a phoenix, and growing, getting away from the bad.

  36. I was surprised at how biased Russert was. He refused to play the whole Bill clip about the fairy tale thing so as to put that comment in proper context. If you listen to it all, as a number of outlets have done, its pretty clear that Bill was referring to Obama’s position on on the war and not the notion of his campaign. Its galling to think this whole dust up was started by Donna Brazile, who should know better. Being a somewhat calculating person and knowing how news cycles play out, the timing on this could benefit Hillary as the tide turns and the Obama campaign and its supporters are seen as the race baiters here. This primary season is calculated to tear the democratic party it tow: cleaving it down the middle — the feminists on one side and the minority supporters on the other. It begs the question: Why can’t we all just get our entitlements?

    If this keeps up, the Repulbicans will ahve the chance they have been aching for: to put together the old Reagan coalition including blue collar democrats who won’t stand for this nonsense. Despite the present europhria it bodes ill for the fortunes of the Democratic Party — not just in 2008, but beyond.

  37. i guess he’ll just call it another boneheaded mistake …

    if nobody calls him on this crap, oh well. i’m not computer savvy enough to contact her campaign but I really seriously feel as a woman that that was designed to slap us down.

    he should be called on it.

  38. thanks, B Merryfield.

    I think it has legs. Albright and the Williams woman should get on tv and her campaign needs to issue an immediate press release and bring attention to this to MSM.

  39. if enough of us would send the question to debate reckon they would ask why he chose that song. the debate is to focus on minorities which we are.

    this could rock the debate.

    how do you send in questions?

  40. I agree with Jaz. She must offer an olive branch. I am becoming very uncomfortable with the race issue. This is one time when HRC and her surrogates need to be above the fray. She also needs to inform (again) her supporters and surrogates that they should not make any references, intended, not intended or otherwise stupid, remarks about the race or the drugs issue. It is only a looser for her.

  41. grandmother, I said that yesterday. She should step out as the uniter/msve on with her campaign. Issue a final appeal and leave it there. tell russert she issued a statement today about unity and that shes not going to go down this divisive path.

    sh e needs to shut up the race crown.

    i still think its fair for them to question that song. it is a slam at all women

  42. Hillary has more to lose from the race campaign. Mainly because a white women can easily be cast as a racist then a black man.

    That said, I’m betting S.C. people will vote for Edwards more….

  43. hillarys history shows she is not racist however they are twisting every little thing and the media is lapping it up

    i still can’t understand why she doesn’t have a strong black woman out advocating for her on these shows. A strong white man would also be ideal.

    not all men are prejudice against a white woman in the big house but a lot are.

  44. Jaz Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    Hillary has more to lose from the race campaign. Mainly because a white women can easily be cast as a racist then a black man.

    That’s what mad the whole racism in NH thing so ridiculous. Hillary lost to Obama among white men. She won among women and non-white voters. If anyone has a penchant for racism it is white men, not women. That said I do think they should put this racism stuff to bed. It’s bad for the Party.

  45. dot48, I missed your post yesterday. I thought I had gotten most of them but I started feeling rather despressed about all of this. No one who comes to this site on a regular basis, who supports HRC and believes that she is the best candidate, wants to wallow in this mud. It is HRC that we support. We are not interested in foul language, hate speech or any type discrimination. HRC can win this primary and this election on issues not related to race or drugs. Let Mr. Obama be the one to stoop to race baiting. She is above that.

  46. I don’t think that she should say that what Bill said was bone headed because it wasn’t . Even Repubs can see that and they hate him. The media including NYT and MessMSNBC and the Obambi camp has pushed this incorrect narrative.

    I do think that her tone should be concillitory but this is a race for President and stands matter. In the end, Obambi will be the loser because any fair person can see this is blown out of proportion. Wasn’t it he who said that they ‘..know how to play rough and tumble Chicgao politics..’ ? I do think that she will lose SC but really he has all of the built in advantages. She will rebound in Fl and then off to 2/5. I think that they should put more effort in NV as that is a real possility. Disregard any polls for NV as this is uncharted territory and nobody knows how this is gonna go. She will be out there more this week and Bill is out there today. I have some hope despite the Culinary Union intimidation that she may pull this out. They should have campaign observers at these 9 polling stations to make sure that no intimidation takes place.

    Michelle Obama is irking me with the continuation of the distortion of the ‘fairytale’ comment. Druge has polls already showing the racial fissures. Who knows, I’m hopeful that some healing can occur between now and 2/5.

  47. Maggie Williams was on MessMSNBC this morning to defend Hillary. She said that the charge that she is racist is ludicrous. Go to http://www.time.com
    Click on politics and then swampland. It also has Bill Clinton’s comments to Black talk radio this morning.

  48. It doesn’t matter, this is politics and race going horribly wrong.

    Hillary should just say that Bill was careless and didn’t make his words obvious. As for the MLK comment, she has nothing to apologise for.

    At the end of the day, Hillary being arrogant, up for a fight plays into Obama’s hands… She should not play his game.

  49. Jaz Says: Hillary should just say that Bill was careless and didn’t make his words obvious.

    Sorry, but she cannot say that. His words were not careless and had nothing to do with race. This si swiftboating. Bill Clinton has proven his mettle as non-racist. You can concede a lie.

  50. Bill wasn’t careless. Obama’s an idiot. Hillary cannot allow this to stand. This goes beyond politics. it’s about protecting her good name.

  51. Nevada Poll: Dems: Obama 32, Clinton 30, Edwards 27.

    Margin of error 4.5% Sample size: 500

    I doubt this poll…. the same size is laughable. I think clinton supporters are saying “edwards” or “obama” like they did before N.H.

  52. Jaz, Bill as not careless. He was talking about Iraq, and Obama’s claim that he was strongly against it in 2003, 2004,2005. Bill said that since he voted FOR all the funding, and voted AGAINST the bill to set a timetable to come home, that claim was a big fairytale.

    Michelle and others trying to spin that that Bill somehow said that the dream of a Black man one day being president is a “fairytale” is a FLAT OUT LIE AND SLUR ON A GOOD MAN.

  53. Hillary and Bill Clinton didn’t do anything wrong and should not apologize. Obama and the media thought they would do that…it’s a set-up. The minute she did that…the media would have painted them a racist.

    I disagree fully with that argument. It was Obama, his supporters in and outside the media who played the race card. Not the Clintons, his people and the media were surprised that she stood her ground…”The truth shall set you free.” Hillary was brilliant on MTP because she had truth on her side.

    I think Hillary is going to have to fight every step of the way…Until I see Chris Matthew fired from MSNBC, and there is cause, get use to a double standard on how Hillary Clinton will be treated and how her words will truncated by the N.Y.Times and other.

  54. Bill and Hillary did what they needed to do about the intentional misquoting. He immediately contacted the Al Sharpton radio show and set the record straight. At least one television program showed the q\uote in its entirety, but of course that wasn’t timeh. This is intentional misquoting by the Obama camp, and it is not the first time. It may well be the worst form of slander. And it is a clear case of somebody who puts their own brand of truth/ideology before facts/evidence. We don’t need another demagogue and yet Obama is a textbook case. He uses false claims (about Iraq/about Clintons and race) to gain power. We have to stand firm. We can reiterate our complete and total rejection of anything that even hints of racism, but on this point we stand firm, in my opinion.

  55. Monday, January 14, 2008

    While she has lost her towering advantage nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, New York Senator Hillary Clinton continues to hold a huge lead in Florida’s Presidential Primary.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state found Clinton leading Barack Obama 48% to 24%. In December, she held a 45% to 17% lead.

  56. It doesn’t matter if Obama is an idiot.

    This is game theory. Politicial Science..

    Obama camp has made a decision, that if Hillary fights, she will become the “racist black hate figure” she loses votes.
    If Hillary doesn’t fight she will be called a racist and weak.

    However… given that she’s already clarified her comments…
    “She can now go on and say, yeah..it was careless, but everyone knows the truth. And I offer the hand of friendship”.
    If Obama refuses: He’s dividing the nation. If he accepts: He gains very little, as Hillary is peacemaker.

  57. I truly dont think Hillary expects to win South Carolina. I know its politically incorrect to skip a state, but lets face it, Obama is going to win South Carolina and its really not important. I dont think Nevada is important either.

    Hillary needed to win one early state. She did. Now the contest is on Feb 5th.

    Lots of Clinton sightings in California these days!!!!

  58. I really think she could win south carolina. she needs a slew of aa surrogates to go out for her. Bill should make some stops. Bill can heal this with just one speech…he is a better orator than cryobama will ever think about being.

  59. # 1:30 pm
    # Hillary Clinton attends SEIU 32BJ event honoring the legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr. in New York, New York

  60. Jaz, this sounds strange to me. Should Hillary really offer Obama a hand of friendship? For what? Obama camp is the one knowingly distorting all messages from the Clintons. What did Hillary get in return, when she apologized because of this Bill Shaheen thing? By doing so, actually Hillary wanted to underline her desire for peace and understanding between her and Obama. Did Obama acknowledged this?

    No, there is no offering of hand from Hillary to Obama, not now or later. His camp will interpret it as weakness and not as a gesture of friendship among races and genders in this election. Jaz, you have yourself heard what Jesse Jackson Jr. said about Hillary when she showed some motherly emotions recently. Was there an apology from Obama? Wake up now, Jaz. Hillary and her supporters must keep on blasting his records, that’s all. There is no way back at this juncture! Only forwards and get through!

  61. HILLARY SHOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING REMOTELY APOLOGETIC ABOUT ANYTHING.

    she doesnt have to change what, if she does, they will SPIN THAT…

    RACE DISCRIMINATION IS AN UGLY PROBLEM, BUT IT SURE AINT HILLARYS OR BILLS, PROBLEM…

    IF HILLARY HAS A CLEAN CONSCIENCE, SHE SHOULD ACK ACCORDINGLY!

  62. no apology for sure. just that she is going to let their statements stand and that everyone can interpret them as they feel…bring up both she and bills record re minority. close the argument. be the adult who simply walks away from an argument that is not winnable.

    she will look smart not weak. bring up the pressing issues that are reality as we know it today and that she will not answer any media or take questions regarding this anymore because she does not want to divide the country with this kind of rhetoric.

    make obama have to get back on his substance….there is none and her campaign needs to think one step ahead of them because they will use every dirty trick and lie

  63. No sajani. It’s wrong.

    Read Obama’s speeches, listen to them. He says he is not divider, but a uniter, the more we attack him, the more Hillary would be perceived as a divider, and him the uniter. Attack his senate record – That’s fine. The central theme of his campaign is that Hillary is “old politics” “divider” “fighter” it’s all implied.

    Don’t attack him personally, don’t attack his supporters, don’t attack his strategy.

    Hillary must show she is a uniter, a new politics, and can reach agreements if needed. She must go over Obama’s head and go directly to the AA community and say… “look at me…yes we were careless…. But really…do you think we are racist?”

  64. WTF ?!!! Bill and Hillary need not apologize for anything !!Bill was clearly talking about BO’s war stance. If someone has a hard time understanding that or deliberately misrepresents his comments, he is supposed to apologize ? !! When has BO apologized for anything ?

    As mj said “Never concede a lie” . Amen.

  65. Here are the lyrics to Obama campaign song … chorus that is:

    99 problems but the BITCH ain’t one
    If you’re havin girl problems I feel bad for you son
    I got 99 problems but a BITCH ain’t one
    Hit me

    ———-\

    this is despicable and from someone who says he can unite the country and lead.

  66. “Don’t attack him personally, don’t attack his supporters, don’t attack his strategy.” Ah, she has not done that.

  67. dot you got that right!

    state her position for all who are tuning in first time for debate.

    say ‘THERE IS NO THERE, THERE’, (so to speak) AND MOVE ON, AND REFUSE TO BE SIDETRACKED…

    IF THEY TRY TO BRING HER BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SHE SHOULD START ASKING ABOUT REZKO… LOL

  68. that chorus is disgusting.

    his “judgement” qualities are not what is being spoonfed to us.

    he should be forced to deal with this judgement call on the use of “bitch” during a campaign.

    I find it offensive and I think most women would.

  69. I agree don’t buy into accepting responsibility for this.

    Simply say they are done with speaking about it because it is divisive and not what her campaign has been or is about. Site instances of their hard work for minority and say people can make up their own minds, this is America. Say her campaign is not about dividing people and in a way bring up the campaign song as to show who is the real one trying to malign women.

  70. if it comes to it Hillary should “read” the lyrics at the debate and confront him with it. of course he’ll have a ready madeup answer but it will be out there // from a strong woman who is willing to fight for women.

  71. yeah, she could say, ‘look you need to stop trying to make this into a campaign opportunity, i never said anything about the bitch comment in your campaign song in iowa, and i felt that aimed at me, and as a women i resent that, but i kept my mouth shut on that…

  72. I don’t think Hillary should apologize for anything. But I think she needs to state something to the effect that “we are above this” and we should not be using race or sex but looking at the issues and positions. This whole race thing has gotten out of control and it is not good for anyone. She needs to be above this. This is dangerous territory and while the Republicans can and will use it if he gets the nomination, this isn’t the time for it. Let them do it.

  73. Hillary should “read” those lyrics during the debate and let people hear them from a strong woman who is fighting for them.

    at least they will be out there..by her and she can control the spin.

  74. The attack on the Clintons as racist amounts to swift-boating, pure and simple.

    It’s an effort to take something on which they have a superlative record and turn it into a negative.

  75. grand,

    i dont agree, the more times she has to explain it, the more alive it stays, the more photo ops, the more people associate race comments with her. she needs to limit the amount of times she discusses this subject…
    there is such a thing as subliminal messaging, which is an indelible impression made by images and sound bytes repeated over and over again. when that happens, people arent even aware they are negatively influenced, but they end up with feelings of repugnance that does affect them later on…

    campaigns know that…

  76. im not just some blinded hillfan, so i read and reread bills FULL SPEECH on obama’s shifty views on iraq. THEY ARE TRUE. and for LBJ making civil rights happen. TRUE!!!!!! so i don’t need anubody tell us hillfans bill is carless.

  77. “She needs to be above this. This is dangerous territory and while the Republicans can and will use it if he gets the nomination, this isn’t the time for it. Let them do it.”

    Ah, she is above this and she hasn’t used this. Do you really think after her historic win she wanted to be dealing with this stuff? Obama is using this. I’ve noticed everytime something good happens to Hillary he has some outrage to air at her. It’s very divisive and unfortunate. Hillary said yesterday and I am sure she will continue saying, that we need to be unified, and she is proud of Obama’s contributions. I’m not sure what else she can do if Obama continues to push this.

  78. i don’t know about the rest of you but this is gut wrenching what is happening to this wonderful woman who has fought so hard for us and this country.

    I said last night, I pray for her and whatever way you ask for divine help for someone you care about I encourage you to do so for her. This is so stressful for us…how does she do it.

    Hillary, I love you and I am praying for you and your family. For strength and guidance in these rough times and wisdom to act.

  79. BMerry at 11:08: spot on. The hieracharchy of the workplace would exert an undue inflence over voting–big time. I speak from experience.

    Clintondem99 at 10:56. smoking gun. Used properly by the campaign that could really hurt BO. Like a bell, you cannot unring it.

    MJ at 10:01: thanks for posting Krugman article. I agree this insight could be useful to the campaign effort. Great article at great time. On the critical issue of the economy Obama was last to address the issue, and he offered the worst plan.

  80. Mrs. OB speaks…

    From NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann
    FLORENCE, S.C. — After this weekend’s furious back and forth between the Clinton and Obama campaigns over the consistency of Obama’s anti-war record, the Illinois senator’s wife is jumping to his defense.

    “His opponents will say that he wasn’t always against the war,” she said today here. “I’m like, ‘Where have you been?'”

    Obama went on to say that her husband’s rivals base the claim on the fact that he did not have to cast a vote during the 2003 authorization of the war because he was not yet a senator. “What they fail to tell you,” she said, “is that where Barack was trying to get to the U.S. Senate.” The tough Illinois primary race he faced, she added, made his opposition to the war all the more politically risky at the time.

    Despite that risk, she said, “He looked at everything everybody else looked at, and he said this is going to cost us millions of dollars and thousands of lives,” she said.

    Speaking to an audience of more 300 mostly black voters at Francis Marion University here, Obama scoffed at the notion that the choice between her husband and Hillary Clinton (whom she did not mention by name) is a nuanced one.

    “I get confused when people are like, ‘We have so many choices. I’m so confused. I don’t know, who should I vote for?'” she said, mimicking a waffling voter with a babyish tone. “I’m like ‘Huh?’

    “We have two choices: One, same old thing. Same thing that hasn’t worked for my lifetime. Same people, same game, same thing. And then we have Barack. Those are our choices.”

    Isn’t she something?

  81. It has to stop and Hillary has to do it. I don’t care what it takes, but she’s the one thats gonna lose either way. Cut losses, say Bill was careless. End story.

    If she lets it run, she’s gonna be a racist, a divider, power-hungry, manipulator.

  82. Whoever you are Jaz, you are wrong in your analysis, assessment and strategy. There is nothing to apologize for.

  83. Michelle leaves me with bad vibbes. I don’t feel she is equipped to be first lady just like I don’t think her husband is the best choice for our president. I’m sorry, but they are just not what this country needs right now and I don’t think he would ever make a good commander in chief

  84. Jaz Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
    It has to stop and Hillary has to do it. I don’t care what it takes, but she’s the one thats gonna lose either way. Cut losses, say Bill was careless. End story.

    If she lets it run, she’s gonna be a racist, a divider, power-hungry, manipulator.

    I’m sorry, but who are you? She hasn’t done anything divisive. Obama made an issue of this because Hillary won NH, plain and simple. Hillary has said for days now that we have to unify, and that she is proud of Obama, yada yada yada. I’m not sure what you would have her do but your insistance that she take blame for Obama’s camp seizing on and distorting Bill Clinton’s words rings hollow for me.

  85. TheRealist:
    No i’m being rational and realistic. You assess outcomes. It’s now clear that Hillary cannot win this battle. No one is coming out to support her really. And see needs to move onto territory that is more comfortable with. The AA community has pretty much decided who they are supporting in this matter. She must go onto AA economic issues…and things like that.

    She should stop responding, if she plows on, it looks bad on her judgement, bring her whole campaign down to a race issue and then lose. This is not the Hillary we all know.

    Move on… quickly please.

  86. GET OVER IT JAZ…

    HILLARY ISNT GOING TO SAY SHE OR BILL WERE IN ANYWAY WRONG, DUMB, CARELESS, OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT HER TO SAY !

    WHY?

    CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A LIE…

    AND BESIDES, WE WOULD JUMP ALL OVER HER IF SHE DID !!!!

  87. Time out, children, and I’m sorry but that’s what you’re beginning to sound like. Does this public squabbling accomplish anything for Hillary and her campaign? Step back. Take a breath. This isn’t about which one of you is right.

  88. skmf12, you want here to lose then? How does that help America?

    I want see Hillary as President.

    Bill has nothing to apologies for, but what she can say is “it was slightly careless use of words” – that’s all she has to do Then say why she is so great for AA…what’s she done for them…what she will do for them.
    She’s getting no support from the media, no support from the black community. If she continues down this line…Obama will win. It’s like watching a slow car crash.
    Hillary is stronger on economic issues, substance…she has to change the debate TO THAT…and not about race. I’m actually of Indian origin myself… Obama has totally manipulated her words, but there’s no way out now but to move on.

  89. “She’s getting no support from the media, no support from the black community. If she continues down this line…Obama will win. It’s like watching a slow car crash.”

    What is wrong with you? She hasn’t continued down any line. She’s done exactly the opposite. Something isn’t right here. She’s said let’s just move on.

  90. I certainly hope that Hillary doesn’t apologize for something untrue because it will go into every press account from now to November that she apologized for her racist attacks.

    It will become the only thing that the Obama and the MSM people will ever say again. She can take it on or talk about other things and let the Obama people keep bringing it up. They will eventually be seen as playing the race card — for those unable to see it now.

    Never never acknowledge a lie. It will end up on your tombstone.

  91. hillary is damned either way and the quicker she shuts down the convo the better.

    I do not think she shoulder responsibility but get witty with a great statement and simply say that is my final word. discussion dropped.

    She does need more people stepping up for her.

    They tried to steal her thunder after NH and it’s going to be this way from here on out. She needs to be one step ahead of them on every thing.

    I still think his judgment on those lyrics should be addressed. it might seem little but if it’s put out there and put out there in sound and word … it will carry far.

  92. OB’s “I was against the war in 2002, 2003, etc. IS A FAIRYTALE.

    Rush Limbaugh didn’t need Billy Shaheen to alert him to what his narrative against candidate OB would include.

    The Clinton’s have been in the middle of the fight against race/gender discrimination for almost FORTY years, ask JOHN L. LEWIS (BTW, someone SHOULD)

    No one was talking about race when OB won Iowa.

    She will be made to comment on this topic tomorrow night (I predict that it will be the FIRST question) and I’m sure that the campaign has prepared several approaches to either putting the topic to rest or tossing the ball into senator OB’s court. There can’t be anyone in the democratic party who sees this issue as anything but a drag on whoever the nominee is. She will take the question and hit it out of the park.

  93. JAZ,

    HILLARY IS NOT LOSING…

    BUCK UP, GET SOME BACK BACKBONE, THIS IS A CONTEST, ITS ROUGH GOING, BUT WE’VE GOT THE GUTS TO COMPETE, DO YOU?

  94. JAZ, we agree she should move on. And she IS. Hillary is not pursuing this – she is out today campaigning hard on the issues. Apologies would be dishonest and stir it up more.

    Why don’t WE OURSELVES do as you suggest and walk away from this topic?

  95. HillaryforTexas, I’m all for that. This topic is done as far as I am concerned. Hillary has already put it to rest.

  96. hillfans, i mailed off our absentee ballot applications this morning. we should be recieving our ballots in a few days for the connecticut primary. im gonna share this historic vote with you all as soon as i vote for hillary. YAY!!!!

  97. By the way, I was there when Chelsea Clinton visited one of the California headquarter. She looks really good in person. She didn’t have an entourage with her. She did pose for photos and shook the hands of the staff and volunteers.

    She was there for more than half an hour. Very gracious.

  98. What just happened? I’m lost. I thought this was a website where Hillary’s strongest supporters have an oasis, a safe place away from all the Hillary bashing? This is suppsoed to be a world of reality.

    Re: this AA prob. Here’s my take, not that it matters really, since I’m a “white lady,” I have NO IDEA what it is like to be in the black community. I’ll leave it at that.

  99. skmf12: Destroying fellow democrats will not win Hillary the presidency. Waging a negative war against either candidate won’t either.
    Democrats have to grow up: Have a civil debate on policy and future. Not race and spin like Obama is trying to. Hillary must take the solid stand.

    mj; I agree… but then Bill is not following that line of “moving on”:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/14/bill-clinton-compiles-list-of-obama-attacks/

    Hillary: Move on… Economic issues will win america.

  100. Sixteen years later, Jimmy is still a genius, ’cause it’s still, “the economy, stupid”. Look for the economy to dominate the news for the next weeks leading up to Tsunami Tuesday.

  101. One of biggest myths about Obama’s anti war speech is that it was “politically risky” for him to do so. His loquacious wife said the same thing today.

    He was running in an anti-war constituency, Durbin was opposing the war, his primary opponents were not supporting the war and also came to oppose it, and guess what – he gave it at an anti war rally where the crowds lapped up his words. The guy is a very smart calculating politician. If he had such strong convictions, he would not have scrubbed that speech from his website. You can be sure he knows what his politically risky for his ambitions and he’ll take a stance accordingly.

  102. true2party.

    This is a pro-Hillary site, we are just debating what is the best strategy to get off the race issue quickly without losing too many votes. Are links moderated?
    BTW: Bill is attacking obama again according to CNN.

  103. yes this issue should not be here but it is what it is. it is reality and I am very afraid that the more legs it keeps in the media the more it might hurt her image. Not everyone knows that she has worked 35 years on this very issue…that is why she needs more surrogates to get her work out there.

    I can see a point that an African American could vote against her, against their better judgement, because of this issue. It simply becomes black vs white which is what Obama really wants. He’s afraid of the women vote also so I suspect the next big thang out of his campaign will be about Bill and his Monica thing. I tell you I see this happening.

    Why did Russert bring it up? I haven’t heard him ask anyone else about painful times in their life.

  104. true2party, this still is a oasis of strong hillfans, but i guess outside forces of negativity are bound to get here. it is natural. the stress and strain is tough on us all. i can’t imagine how it is on hillary.

  105. Jaz- you understand what you are saying.

    Suppose this were an episode of Law and Order. I am the suspect. I have done nothing wrong. But the cops want to charge me wiht a crime I never committed. They have me in the interrogation room, tell me it looks bad and I should plead to a lesser offense, but again I have done nothing wrong.

    You show up as my attorney. What would you advise me to do? Should I listen to the cops or should I put my faith in the jury of my peers. This is not an abstract question. In my case I will be goddamed if they could make me confess to something I did not do.

  106. Jaz, I can understand what you are saying. To reach compromise through consensus and understanding. That would be very nice and that is what the Clintons are. So far I Know, the Clintons have never initiated any misunderstandings, delibarately or knowingly. The other side and the shameless big Media are the ones exploiting anything said by either of them. This is ridiculous and very unfair indeed, to try to smear someone for something one hasn’t said or even lost some thoughts on it.

    This is what the otherside wishes and we should not give them. Hillary should continue to address the issues that are important to Americans of all races and genders, that is money in their pockets, about their healthcare, peace in Iraq and making the Americans fit for the future without crude oil. Clintons records are not racist and all Americans of all genders know this simple fact.
    If they have called him their first true black American president, how comes that now Obama is trying to undermine this fact through senseless actions and distortions?

  107. i agree with wbboei, throwing your mercy to the court(in this case big media) is suicide. that’s like admitting guilt. then she will be fried even worse. the court/big media won’t be fair. they will throw the book at her.

  108. mj; I refuse to do this too… But look again..the media are going crazy and this is going on for DAYS now….

    It’s unfair on Hillary, but she has to rise above it. If something isn’t done soon, they its bad for everyone, only good for republicans. I’m not going to say anything on this now. Because obviously people want to defend Hillary to point where she will lose votes and nomination – which defeats the object of why we are all on this website. Lol.

  109. She HAS risen above. WTF do you want from her? I think she will continue to praise Obama and call for unity. That’s all she can do. Take it or leave it.

  110. i have a question for y’all here: cant hillary just say:

    BARACK, YOUR CLAIM TO FAME IS BACK IN 200?, YOU VOTED AGAINST THE WAR, NICE JOB, NOW LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU’VE DONE SINCE THAN…’

  111. dt, political risky my behind!! in liberal illinois and liberal democratic primary is not risky, even in 2002.

  112. Jaz – let’s see what happens tomorrow at the debate. But in the interest of what this is doing to the Democratic party – Obama needs to say something too. If his mantra is unity, let’s see him step up to the plate.

  113. mj: Exactly. Praise and Unite.

    And tell Bill to shut up…CNN:

    Bill Clinton compiles ‘list’ of Obama attacks
    Posted: 10:45 AM ET
    Bill Clinton appeared on Roland Martin’s show Monday.

    (CNN) — Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign came out swinging Monday against the latest complaints from her rival, with former President Clinton announcing he has “a list of 80 attacks on Hillary” by Senator Barack Obama’s campaign.

    In a nationally syndicated radio interview on WVON, Bill Clinton said Hillary Clinton’s way of handling attacks showed a clear difference from Obama. “She didn’t complain about it,” he said, citing one in particular that he considered “appalling.”

    “She just said ‘I disagree,’ and went on.”

    Clinton’s remarks on the Roland S. Martin Show — which has a largely African-American audience — came amid a flare-up over remarks by Black Entertainment Television founder Bob Johnson, who appeared with Hillary Clinton on Sunday at a church in South Carolina, site of an upcoming primary.

    Many believe Johnson made a veiled reference to Obama’s drug use as a young man, though he insists that was not his intention.

    “I think we have to take it at his word,” the former president told Martin, adding that “nobody knew” what Johnson would say, and “it wasn’t part of any planned strategy.”

    Johnson was rejecting the controversy over a recent remarks by Hillary Clinton, who noted that it “took a president” to make the Voting Rights Act a law after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had led the struggle for it. Some interpreted that remark as dismissive of the civil rights movement. Obama on Sunday called the remark “ill-advised.”

  114. Jaz, I wish you would just go away. You are obviously a shill. The language you use to egg us on.

    “It’s unfair on Hillary, but she has to rise above it.”

    “Because obviously people want to defend Hillary to point where she will lose votes and nomination”

    “Defend Hillary” — What the flying f*ck are you talking about. She has done nothing wrong that needs defending.

    Just go away, fly.

  115. The back and forth of the racist may hurt Hillary in SC but it will hurt BHO more in other places. It definitely hurt democrat party.

  116. I see nothing wrong with what Bill Clinton said. You have to realize that Bill Clinton is quite comfortable talking to all african american audiences.

  117. I think jaz like me is afraid of this. I am afraid it will hurt her and it is not of her own doing.

    I don’t think this is going to cool off and as I suggested earlier, if you pray, please pray for her. This has got to be so hard on her, knowing her own record of fighting for real change for minority.

    Is there any good way out of this? I really can’t think of one when the media won’t let it rest,,,,and the print media too. They want her to throw in the towel but it ain’t gonna happen.

    btw, I’m not watching any political shows till this is over .. which means a long time.

  118. BARACK, YOUR CLAIM TO FAME IS BACK IN 200?, YOU WERE AGAINST THE WAR, NICE JOB, NOW LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU’VE DONE SINCE THAN…’

    OKAY HOW BOUT IF SHE SAYS IT THIS WAY EVERYTIME HE BRINGS IT UP? OR WHEN SOMEONE ELSE BRINGS IT UP?

  119. Maybe Bill should come to South Carolina and get a good speech ready and fired up. It seems like a lot of their friends are maybe afraid to step forward into this pit..such a shame.

  120. filbertsf: Why attack me? I support HRC.

    I’m just making a rational, coherent argument of what she HAS TO DO to become a nominee. She’s leaking support and votes and she needs to stop it somehow. There is nothing sinister about it. End of. I hope she wins.. The world needs here.

  121. That’s the thing. Bill will step into that pit. In 2004, all these Ohio african american churches were ready to desert Kerry over gay marriage. Bill Clinton held a phone conference and talked them back into Kerry’s corner. This is personal for him. He’s no racist. He’ll keep talking to the people. That’s just Bill being Bill.

  122. Jaz, you have no evidence that she is leaking anything. Nearly every national poll shows her regaining her double digit lead. Why not just wait it out a little?

  123. Jaz you’re making an argument that suggests (no demands) that Hillary make the same mistake that Kerry made when he was swiftboated.

    It’s not rational, it’s not reasonable, it’s political suicide…period the end.

  124. OK.. I have read enough posts from jaz to see the pattern. I raise the whistle and discredit his further posts. He is telling us the same myth media told us. Bill Clinton is a liability for Hillary’s campaign. period. lets see how this goes.

  125. This is so pathetic. Immediately after Hillary won NH, then the Golden Boy and his team got together and tried to derail or minimized her victory by insinuating and planting seeds of racism and voter fraud.

    As SC approaches, they are hitting hard on the racism charge… embellishing and misquoting both Bill and Hillary.

    The media is just eating this up and that’s what frustrates me.

  126. Snapshots folks. The campaign MOVES forward whether you want it to or not and this is just another moment in a long series of moments. There will be other fish to fry in the aftermath of tomorrow’s debate and just in case everyone here is richer then Croesus and oblivious, the economy is fast becoming THE issue of the campaign. The he said/she said stuff will be supplanted by the electorate’s need for SPECIFICS as to what our next president will do when they inherit this mess a year from this week. It’s STILL the economy and I predict that the more concerned the electorate is about, “kitchen table”, issues, the better it is for us.

  127. filbertsf Says:
    January 14th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
    This is so pathetic. Immediately after Hillary won NH, then the Golden Boy and his team got together and tried to derail or minimized her victory by insinuating and planting seeds of racism and voter fraud.

    They did this after her debate win in NV too, remember? This is their strategy. Anytime something good happens to Hillary, they try to paint her as mean. I don’t think it will work this time. People saw the Hillary they know and love in NH. That illusion is broken.

  128. * Dr. Hutchinson, still not drinking the Kool-Aid….

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/obama-needs-a-history-les_b_81377.html

    Obama Needs a History Lesson about Hillary and King

    by Earl Ofari Hutchinson
    Posted January 14, 2008 | 11:15 AM (EST)

    The Obama camp did it again. They manufactured yet another issue out of a non-issue when they pounded Hillary Clinton for supposedly defiling Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. by minimizing his role in the civil rights struggle. Here’s Hillary’s terrible sin per the Obama campaign crowd: she said that Dr. King’s dream was realized when President Lyndon Johnson shoved the 1964 Civil Rights Bill through Congress. This was anything but a put down of King.

    Hillary paid tribute to King for laying the groundwork for the civil rights bill and gave justifiable credit to Johnson for ramming the bill through a bickering, divided and very recalcitrant Congress. Her point was that presidents that have their public policy priorities screwed on right can make changes, monumental changes, for good.

    If Hillary could be faulted for anything it’s that she didn’t go far enough. If Johnson hadn’t forcefully intervened and jawboned, prodded, arm twisted, and embarrassed the slew of wavering and hostile Congressmen to the bill into supporting the bill, or at least tempering their opposition to it, King’s dream would have remained just that, an empty dream. King recognized that. In a Playboy interview in 1965, he said this about Johnson: “He has demonstrated his wisdom and commitment in coming to grips with the problem (racial discrimination). My impression is that he will remain a strong president for civil rights.” History amply proved that, and Johnson despite his Vietnam War tumble from historical grace, still is regarded as the president that did more for civil rights than any other president.

    But I’d go even further still. King gets much deserved praise and is much honored for igniting the national fervor for civil rights and galvanizing thousands to put their bodies on the line in the civil rights battles. Yet, there’s an ugly side and often forgotten note to that. The street marches and demonstrations also stirred the first tremors of white backlash. The George Wallace surge in the North, the open hostility of many Northern whites to housing and school integration, and the Republican reawakening in the South was a direct outcropping of the civil rights push. This stiffened the spines of Southern Democrats and conservative Northern Republicans who dug their heels in and flatly opposed the bill, piled amendment after crippling amendment onto the bill initially, and employed every legal and parliamentary dodge and stall tactic they could dredge up to delay a vote on it, if not to kill it outright.

    King could do nothing about this. JFK who introduced the bill couldn’t do anything about it either. He was at his wits end after months and months of Congressional ducking and dodging on the bill about how to get it moving. By the time Johnson took office, following JFK’s murder, the bill was still born in Congress. There was every chance that it could be shelved. However, Johnson would have none of that. He was a Southerner and he knew the mood and temper of the South. From his decades in the Senate he knew where the political skeletons were buried and how to rattle them. He did what King and Kennedy didn’t have a prayer of doing, he got the sympathetic ear of enough Southerners to take some of the steam out of their vehement opposition to the bill. The rest of course is history. The Civil Rights Bill, not King’s marches and demonstrations, broke the back of legal segregation in America and became the watchword for progressive, visionary social legislation for decades to come.

    King and all the top civil rights leaders knew that history had been made with the passage of the bill, and that the man that played the towering role in making that history was LBJ A t the signing ceremony for the bill, King and the other civil rights leaders beamed when Johnson handed them the pens after the signing. They effusively praised him for his tireless effort.

    Hillary’s statement was a simple, honest, and respectful nod to Johnson for his indispensable part in making civil rights a legal fact and reality in America. This was the same nod that King and the civil rights leaders made more than four decades ago to him.

    This is a nod that the Hillary haters have forgotten or deliberately distorted in their clinical obsession to smash mouth every Hillary utterance. This is a history lesson that Hillary got right about King and Johnson, and one that the Obama campaign flunked badly.

    ___________________________________________
    Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His forthcoming book is “The Ethnic Presidency: How Race Decides the Race to the White House” (Middle Passage Press, February, 2008).

  129. fibertsf, Exactly… and we trust the Big Media to be objective, and act as a ‘watchdog’. It’s extremely frustrating.

  130. mmm.. I agree.. when her decision of CNN was good, bob novak column made headlines, when ever something good happened to her, they smeared her. we know the pattern. but my point is, I want some AA to come out and give specifics. what is the % of people who will vote for Obama because of race factor. if I know that %, then I will be more complacent and happy.

  131. sk, I,m not advocating prayer for her to win the election…I’m advocating prayer for her in these tough physical times and the struggles of this campaign and strength for each and every day.

    My God hears these prayers and I as his child expect him to answer them.

    My keyboard gets wonky all the time, I hope you are not shouting at me.

    I admit I’m not a political know it all or junkie, I really feel deep in my soul that Hillary Clinton would make the best POTUS ever and I want her to win.

    I certainly hope I am not thought of as troll because I am really worried right now.

  132. OK, y’all. Simmer down.

    Here’s a funny. The Obama campaign opened their offices here today. As I went topick up my lunch, there was an old beat up VW mini-van circa 1970 sitting in an empty lot with a giant Obama banner on top with a hand-painted sign leaning against the rusty panels saying “Obama for President: free bumperstickers.”

    It looked like a man who lived in a van…down by the river.

    I mean holy hell. Can’t they do better than that here?

    As for Jaz, I think his/her heart is in the right place, but I think for Hillary to do anything that could be misconstrued as an apology is outrageous. Fuck ’em. She and Bill didn”t do anything. Bwak’s own press person for SC was stupid enough to forward taking points with her info on it. Slam him with that. Slam him with “99 Problems.” I’ll tell you, here in OK, we still have some manners and men don’t call women “bitches.” Given Al Shapton went on the offensive about having a funeral for five offensive words in rap this Summer, why don’t we forward that to his radioshow. He enjoys the limelight and it would be nice to see a man with a long history of advancing civil rights for all people of color and women, school Bwak.

    That song is not only miscogynistic but it reinforces negative stereotypes about black men being gangstas, thugs and worse. And the religious minded won’t like it very much either. Slam him with it. Slam him so hard he’ll think the showers in Attica are heaven.

    In the meantime, if I get a chance to get back down to that lot if I can get out of court early, I’ll get a cellphone pic and try to get it here. A man who lived in a van….down by the river…. bwahahahaha.

  133. Over the weekend, I decided to compile a list of recommended campaign songs. At first, I thought it would just be for myself, but since this Jay-Z issue came up, I feel compelled to make a lot of copies of these recommened songs and hand them out at the local campaign office here where I live. Maybe they’ll use them at parties and rallies?

    I pride myself in my mix tapes/CDs. So far the list is stuff like the Brand New Heavies, Beastie Boys, Beth Orton, Natalie Merchant and Felix da Housecat. I have more ideas, but that’s it so far. Maybe I can make more and mail them to you if you want one. I don’t think the artists would mind, since I’m making this mix for free, by myself.

  134. Tomorrows debate, she needs to hit it hard that obama campaign is distributing the memo in SC immediately after NH, and jesse jackson came on TV. after that rest is all history.

  135. Ok, Hillfans, will check back later. I see the hand-wringers have taken over the room. Sorry that you can’t see how futile your circular conversation is and how hurtful it is for Hillary’s campaign. If you really wanted to help Hillary, you’d shut up.

  136. Hey, OkieAtty, I love old VW micro-buses. That’s actually my dream auto. If I ever make enough money for maintenance and stuff, I’ll get one of those vans. So, don’t make fun of that van. Some day that vehicle will be worth millions. 🙂

  137. Oh and another thing, one of the reasons Bwak has been ten days late and ten dollars short in advancing an economic stuimulus plan is that he knew Krugman would pick him apart. I think we should hit hit at the debate with a question on how his plan is any different from the failed Reagan policy of “trickle down economics.”

    Journalists are inherently lazy these days. They crib stuff from websites, don’t fact check and generally try to be part of teh story or one of the cool kids. Any of them reading here today I challenge to cover the “99 Problems” story and the fact that Obama’s economic stimulus plan is exactly what I call it- trickle down economics. The man has never had an original thought and he’s not committed to teh betterment of our union. If he were, he wouldn’t be playing “bitch” music or cynically playing a race card when there has been no racist attack. How about him firing his SC press secretary? Or Axelrod for implying Hillary killed Bhutto? Or how about doing a timeline about his August comments about bombing Pakistan, the unrest that resulted and the precarious situation that country is in now and how their bombs could end up in AQ’s hands?????? Or is it time for that facial?

  138. Election 2008: South Carolina Democratic Primary
    South Carolina: Obama 38% Clinton 33%
    Monday, January 14, 2008
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    Over the past few days, Hillary Clinton has closed the gap in South Carolina’s Presidential Primary and pulled to within five points of Barack Obama. Last week, Obama was leading by twelve.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in South Carolina shows Obama earning 38% of the

  139. I hate VW buses. Give me an old Econoline anyday with a bad mural of a half-nekkid Indian woman praying to the sun gods. And don’t forget the bumpersticker that reads “If the van’s a’rockin’, don’t come a’knockin’.” 🙂

  140. al sharpton website seems to have lost it domain. if I had a phone # I will call. I’ve been calling and emailing on her behalf. I can’t do much more.

    I the the 99 problems story is hot.

  141. Election 2008: South Carolina Democratic Primary
    South Carolina: Obama 38% Clinton 33%
    Monday, January 14, 2008
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    Over the past few days, Hillary Clinton has closed the gap in South Carolina’s Presidential Primary and pulled to within five points of Barack Obama. Last week, Obama was leading by twelve.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in South Carolina shows Obama earning 38% of the vote, Clinton attracting 33%, and John Edwards at 17%.

    While Obama’s lead has slipped, his support is more solid than Clinton’s at this point in time. Eighty-two percent (82%) of Obama supporters say they are “certain” they will vote for him on January 26. Just 67% of Clinton voters are that “certain” along with 65% of those currently supporting Edwards.

    Among white voters, Clinton leads Obama 40% to 21% with John Edwards picking up 31% of the vote. Among African-American voters, Obama leads Clinton by 23 percentage points (see crosstabs). This racial divide is also found in national polling.

    Clinton leads Obama by three points among women in South Carolina but trails by sixteen among men.

    In December, Obama and Clinton were tied in South Carolina at 33%. In November, Clinton had a ten-point advantage.

    Eighty percent (80%) have a favorable opinion of Clinton, 77% say the same about Obama, Clinton, and 74% offer a positive assessment of Edwards.

    Among African-American voters, 86% have a favorable opinion of Obama while 82% say the same about Clinton. At the same time, 78% of white voters offer a favorable assessment of Clinton. Just 66% of white voters say the same about Obama. In South Carolina, roughly half of the Democratic voters are expected to be African-American.

    Among those who currently plan to vote for John Edwards, 68% have a favorable opinion of Clinton while 56% say the same about Obama.

    On the Republican side of the aisle, John McCain received a significant bounce from his victory in New Hampshire and now holds a narrow lead in South Carolina’s GOP Primary.

    Rasmussen Markets data suggests that Barack Obama is currently favored to win in South Carolina. Current prices imply that Obama has a 86.9% chance of winning while Clinton has a 20.0% chance. Numbers in this paragraph reflect results from a prediction market, not a poll. Using a trading format where traders “buy and sell” candidates, issues, and news features, RasmussenMarkets.com harnesses competitive passions to becomes a reliable leading indicator of upcoming events.

    We invite you to participate in the Rasmussen Markets. It costs nothing to join and add your voice to the collective wisdom of the market.

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    The Rasmussen Reports ElectionEdge™ Premium Service for Election 2008 offers the most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a Presidential election.

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  142. Thanks Kingsgrove for posting the article by Earl Ofari Hutchinson. Obama and his crew should be put to shame and go back and learn some MLK history lesson.

  143. Eighty percent (80%) have a favorable opinion of Clinton, 77% say the same about Obama, Clinton, and 74% offer a positive assessment of Edwards.

    Among African-American voters, 86% have a favorable opinion of Obama while 82% say the same about Clinton. At the same time, 78% of white voters offer a favorable assessment of Clinton. Just 66% of white voters say the same about Obama. In South Carolina, roughly half of the Democratic voters are expected to be African-American.

  144. I expected as much. After Hillary’s win in NH which was viewed as a resounding slap across the face of the partisan media – I expected them to lie low but eventually come back with renewed vigor. With the help of the ever unethical and highly destructive Obama minions, they’ve found something to latch on to – the pitbulls that they are. It’s a cycle, guys and as in Iowa, Hillary will win through her integrity and principles. She has nothing to apologize for. I’m surprised that they are not seething with anger at the obvious partisanship of the media and the reckless disregard for integrity of the Obama campaign. But the Hillary camp is tough, and they’ve been through worse. She’ll make it.

  145. thanks mj. still doesn’t change the bad vibes he gives me though.

    IF those poll numbers hold, she is within striking distance.

  146. whatever i’ve heard in media today about race stuff has just been “this weekend there was a back and forth.” so, that’s all.

    i love that jay-z song 🙂 (i’m a woman btw) i’m surprised they used it but certainly some campaign staffer didn’t think it through, after all, the radio/video version doesn’t say ‘bitch,’ a lot of times i don’t know complete hip hop lyrics because i only hear what’s on the radio

    about the issues i hope hillary continues to talk about subprime mortgages and crisis. i just heard city of baltimore sued wells fargo bank for targeting black neighborhoods with predatory subprime loans!

  147. you know, i checked rasmussen markets right before new hampshire. odds? obama win – 99%. i should have bet on that one 🙂

  148. OB is deflating. If he doesn’t win and win big in SC (and he won’t), FLORIDA will slingshot Hillary to a HUGE Tsunami Tuesday victory. The economy is our issue and it’s now THE issue. The SC poll indicates that the campaign has been doing the right things there and that all the fear and cries to abandon the state to BO was nonsense.

  149. okay okie,

    careful with the indian mural comment, i could take that as a RACIAL REMARK, and my ancestors never did like that whole econoline, velvet painting thing…

  150. SC ras;

    38-33

    Undecideds, 5% MOE, 4%

    Keith # (for Olbermann) = 9

    Who else thinks that we stand a very good chance of winning SC?

  151. Anduril919: “It’s a cycle, guys and as in Iowa, Hillary will win through her integrity and principles.”

    It’s interesting that I thought Hillary won both Iowa and NH. Maybe she really did…..

    Okay, I made a mistake. But with the bussing of Illinois residents and all, who could blame me for my mistake… 😀 😀 😀

  152. Well, regard SC, even if Hill loses by 1 or 3, I’ll be happy. Just as with NH, the media has already declared her a dead horse there. Todd Beeton of mydd said Hillary already conceded SC.

    Perhaps Edwards is strong in SC and will take votes away from Obomba.

  153. filbertsf Says: Perhaps Edwards is strong in SC and will take votes away from Obomba.

    No, the media has this wrong. Edwards voters are more likely Hillary voters, she’s closer to his populist message.

  154. SC numbers aren’t bad. Wish Edwards weren’t such a factor, though. He’s hurting Hillary there.

    BTW, I have no problem with Bill Clinton’s comments on that radio show today. We need to get the info out there about Obama’s numerous and sometimes scurrilous attacks on Hillary.

  155. mj, really? Maybe I’m hanging out on the blogosphere too much, but I find Edwards’ supporters to be as rabid and vitriolic towards Hillary as Obomba’s are.

    Edwards himself will bash Hillary at any given moment.

  156. Paula:BTW, I have no problem with Bill Clinton’s comments on that radio show today.

    Agreed. Also, Bill Clinton is at home with african american audiences. It’s in his roots. I think when he talks to people these sorts of trumped up allegations, just make Obama look ridiculous.

  157. filbertsf Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    mj, really? Maybe I’m hanging out on the blogosphere too much, but I find Edwards’ supporters to be as rabid and vitriolic towards Hillary as Obomba’s are.

    Yeah, that’s a blogosphere thing. Most of the blogosphere is the wine and cheese crowd that typically like Obama anyway. But Edwards base is very working class as is Hillary’s.

  158. anyone out there in the Los Angeles are who is thinking about going to Nevada this weekend to help out the campaign?

  159. FYI, There’s another poll that has Obama up 13 over Hillary in SC. Just thought I’d pass that on. Maybe Rasmussen is right in showing Hillary gaining, but we need to be aware that at least one other poll isn’t.

  160. I don’t trust the polls. I would like to see Hillary back in NV shaking hands, in the neigborhood etc taking it too the people. I just saw Obambi on CNN cribbing Hillary’s style going to the people. It looked very low key and not exciting at all. I would expect the courts to decide before Wed as the Caucus is on Sat. I’m not holding out much hope for that but I wish that they would appoint monitors to make sure that the Obami campaign is not intimidating it’s members.

  161. good vibe back now for Hillary. just stepped away from the puter a bit and did some things in the house. getting my perspective back. I agree about SC, a strong finish there is all I really expect…she’s not expected to win so it puts all big expectations on Obama and he is not handling it well, I don’t think he can handle pressure at all.

  162. Hillary will be winning the Michigan primary while she’s winning the Las Vegas debate tomorrow night. For the sake of argument, let’s say that she takes the Nevada caucus and pulls a NH in South Carolina and beats the odds there. Her victory in Fl is pretty much assured and the margin will only increase if she takes Mi and SC.

    What would this mean to OB’s campaign and what do you think their strategy would be going into Tsunami Tuesday? I would wager that BOTH camps are thinking about this right now. What else has he got that we should be thinking about? Call me crazy (you wouldn’t be the first) but if Hillary can run the table from here until TT, she can have the nomination wrapped up in 22 days. Even a loss in SC wouldn’t do all that much to alter my scenario. Am I missing something here?

  163. florida despite the lack of campaigning and delagates is too big to ignore. florida is a firewall for hillary.

  164. NV is still hard for Hillary. The culinary union probably is behind the caucus set up to begin with. They formulated a process where they basically can pick the winner.

  165. terrondt, I agree. But I still disagree with you on Michigan. I think she should give a speech there before the vote, which I believe is tomorrow. I think voters everywhere would actually respect it.

  166. any hillfans from michigan voting tommorrow? it is important to rack up the hillary vote there becuase when the delegates hopefully are seated at the dnc she should get the lion’s share.

  167. # Paula Says:
    January 14th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    FYI, There’s another poll that has Obama up 13 over Hillary in SC. Just thought I’d pass that on. Maybe Rasmussen is right in showing Hillary gaining, but we need to be aware that at least one other poll isn’t.

    What poll Paula? Insider Advantage (1/7) has OB up by 7 with almost 7% undecided and a MOE of 5(Keith # a whopping 12!)

    I can’t find anything more recent at RCP. The RCP AVERAGE was 13% prior to today’s RAS. Is that what you mean?

  168. Hillary is strong in SC. I expect Obama to win it, but he HAS to win it by a huge margin for it to give him any momentum at all. If he does not carry SC by at least 10 points, he’s toast.

    This latest poll is what I suspected. Obama was leaking support there like crazy, so he decided to play the race card to shore up the AA and guilty liberal vote there.

    The problem is that South Carolina Democrats, whether black or white, are not a bunch of stupid backward morons. They know the score. The know who Hillary is, and what she’s done. They know who Obama is, and what he hasn’t. SC Dems voted overwhelmingly (64%) for Jesse Jackson Sr. when he ran, because we knew his record, knew all he had done. Obama won’t touch that mark. He is not half the candidate, or half the Democrat, that Jesse Jackson was.

  169. i guess mj, go there and let the chips fall where they may. nothin to lose and everything to gain in michigan. im so torn on that. if she goes there big media and her opponents will fry her as going back on her word. if she does not voters will not get to see thier candidate. can’t win. but al and all she will beat the uncommmited vote by 20 points hopefully. god knows if it is close, big media would have a baby.

  170. still some time till south carolina, she can still work her majic….btw, majic would be great in sc if he is available

  171. It appears to be an automated telephone poll. Their polling numbers are not, nor have I ever seen them quoted or listed on realclearpolitics.com and their numbers, especially WOMEN strike me as hinky. If it doesn’t show up in the RCP averages, if it isn’t quoted in BM, and I haven’t seen any of their polls prior to your link, it would seem to fall at the bottom of the scale.
    They had SC as a 3 (for Hillary) point race in August…

    I don’t think it’s worth much.

  172. Paula, Jesse won 64% TOTAL in SC, not just AA. Obama going to do that in SC? I don’t think so. They know better, and he ain’t Jesse.

  173. What are Hillary’s chances in Nevada? I read on TM that Obama is sending out flyers to have anyone register as a democrat for one day and then they can change back to whatever after that. That is some serious fraudulent activity going on in that campaign of his.

  174. Jaz,

    First of all, if Hillary says, it’s untrue. There is nothing careless or casual in Bill’s rhetoric. The only way it appears careless is if it’s edited, and anything can be edited into something else.

    A candidate CANNOT agree with a lie.

    As soon as she says what you’re advising, the campaign is over for her and she has lost.

    She just has to be honest and ride it out. Obama is the one engaging in hostile rhetoric. She can be gracious to him, but she should not take any responsibility for this brou-haha. That’s what he’s hoping for because as soon as she does, she’s done for.

  175. Obama is inviting republicans to vote in Dem Caucuses in NV – “Be a democrat for one day if you dont want Hillary” is the meme of the flyer that is being distributed by his campaign, targetting republicans and independents.

    What a sicko ..

  176. Cool! Hillary said to look at the difference between “rhetoric and reality” — when comparing her to Obama. Last week I posted here that she should say “Compare our records, not our rhetoric.” I think this message should continue to be pushed: look at their records, not their rhetoric. Hillary’s point re: “what has Obama done since that speech?” is brilliant.

  177. Not thrilled about that NV poll; hope it’s just a shot in the dark.

    SC — both polls at least show a bit of a bump up after NH. Again, on SC — if we win NV, perhaps an opportunity in SC. If we don’t win in NV, and especially if JE does well to boot, I sense little or no opportunity in SC. Expecting a majority-black electorate to put an end to a viable black candidate’s run is not time well spent, IMO.

    Re: apology. Absolutely not.

  178. Obama is inviting republicans to vote in Dem Caucuses in NV – “Be a democrat for one day if you dont want Hillary”

    He’ll do the same in SC.

  179. dt Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
    Obama is inviting republicans to vote in Dem Caucuses in NV – “Be a democrat for one day if you dont want Hillary” is the meme of the flyer that is being distributed by his campaign, targetting republicans and independents.

    What a sicko ..

    Dou you have a link to this?

  180. HLR, I wasn’t thrilled about that NV poll, either, but I can’t believe Edwards’ support is that high. 27 percent? That makes no sense whatsoever.

  181. CAN WE HAVE HILLARY BRING THIS UP AT THE DEBATE, CAN SHE BRING A COPY?

    THIS PISSES ME OFF…

    she should take out an add in the nv paper, asking ‘IS THIS THE KIND OF DEMOCRAT YOU WANT FOR PRESIDENT?

  182. that is sickening flyer – this flyer needs to make the rounds in the press (even though we don’t trust them), but this is horrifying.

  183. Paula: but I can’t believe Edwards’ support is that high. 27 percent? That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Pure speculation:

    (1) low turnout favors him, just like IA.
    (2) disappointed union supporters (at one time, he was supposed to get all of those important NV union endorsements, not Hillary)
    (3) his supporters don’t want his race to be over (can’t blame them), and finally,
    (4) the ‘race’ argument ultimately benefits Edwards — meaning, HC/BO supporters solidify while everyone else just wants to stay out of it.

  184. I just think Obama has repugs in his campaign with the agenda to bring down the democratic party.

    The actions he has displayed make more sense if you wanted to split the party.

  185. goes to his character again. this country better be wary.

    hillary needs to show one of these at the debate and let nevada and us know this junk

    talk about negative

  186. skmf12, I agree with you completely. She needs to raise this at the debate. Also, I assume her campaign knows about it, but please let’s inform her campaign to be on the safe side. Anmd it ought to be sent to Ben Smith at politico.com and Greg Sargent at talkingpointsmemo.com, for starters.

  187. This is beyond ludacris.

    Michelle, you need to ask your husband, where he was on the 130 “present” votes in the Illinois Legislature. Where was he when Hillary and Bill were championing women and minority rights, helping children in education and health care? Where was Obama, who supposedly was always against the war, in introducing legislation or making a statement on the Iraq War in the U.S. Senate? Where was he in the sense of the U.S. Senate vote that designated the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization?Where was Obama on the vote condemning Moveon.org?

    Does she need to be slapped with THE TRUTH. How can you be against the war in Iraq, but continue to vote to fund it.

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00326

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00117

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00112

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00186

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00239

    And If he uses the excuse of supporting the troops, then why did you decide to vote against the most recent Iraq War Supplemental, if you were “supporting our troops.” Obama, your voting record on this issue doesn’t match your rhetoric.

    Personally I think Bob Johnson was referring to Obama’s drug use, while Hillary and Bill were fighting for minorities. I don’t think he should have backed down from his comment. Somebody needs to put that out there. Everything on everybody’s resume should be up for grabs and should be examined. His past drug use/selling shouldn’t be taboo. He is running for president; his record should be examined thoroughly. It’s the same exact thing with George W. Bush being elected. It is nothing personal.

  188. dot48, the song is not a red herring. It is an anonymous source who was at the PRIVATE party (not the public one – that had a different song), and Obama’s campaign has not denied it, despite lots of journalists calling him for a statement.

    How many stories have been in the press about Hillary based on an “anonymous source close to the campaign”? Did anyone lay off those stories because the source had no name?

    Fair is fair. The story ought to be printed, and put forward until he denies it. Make his butt DENY it.

  189. well as I said earlier that song needs out there to the media

    makes you wonder what else he really does in private

  190. Paula: Politico:

    A lukewarm reception in New York

    Hillary’s speech to a labor rally on behalf of largely black security guards in Manhattan this afternoon offered a clear sense of the challenge she faces wooing black voters — even in her adoptive home of New York.

    Clinton’s introduction was met with applause, but also with a few boos, and her speech was received largely in silence, with occasional, polite applause, one round of which came when she hailed “the day when a woman and an African-American are running for the presidency of the United States of America.” A man near me called out “Obama” at a couple points in her talk.

    This wasn’t meant to be a campaign rally, (she’s in New York for fundraising stops). She had been added late to the program for the event held by the SEIU local 32BJ, and in part honoring Martin Luther King — perhaps one reason she sought the venue. And she spoke close to the end of an event that had already run over time. And most of the people I spoke to, many Obama supporters, seemed pleased she’d come out on behalf of the security guards seeking better wages and benefits, but not enthused by her speech.

    Her speech “doesn’t make me wan tto go out there and do anything,” said Orville Froome, a computer consultant in Brooklyn who had come to see his pastor, Johnny Ray Youngblood, as had many in the audience, and who was wearing an Obama button. “I’m sick and tired of the same old same old.”

    A recent Daily News poll had her splitting the black vote here with Obama, giving him a slight edge. And New York, like other states, will be awarding some delegates by congressional district; there are four largely African-American districts.

    One thing worth watching: Will New York’s big unions, which are on her side, conduct aggressive election-day pull operations in the black parts of the city?

  191. All, I really think the locations of the NV caucuses is illegal. Can’t they have 2 caucuses or something? I mean, what if someone had to go to the hospital or got in a car wreck or had to work third shift and couldn’t make it to the caucuses? This is insane. someone better step up and do something.

  192. Why would you print this article here, Jaz? So what? I’m sure she had many fans in the audience as well. I met New Yorkers of all stripes in NH and they loved her.

  193. Does the Democratic Party have any influence on the primaries?

    I am not familiar with the US-party system but wonder already for some days why they let Obama spin the race dividing thing against hillary which definetely is not good for the party.

    If they do nothing about this flyer inviting republicans to vote in the primary I wonder really what influence they have at all. Why can Hillary not run as independent then and campain in Michigan, Florida and everywhere the DNC has given a Veto?

  194. it says right in the article that the event was on overtime and she was a late addition. some people probably needed to go and rounds and rounds of applause would have held them longer.

  195. it says right in the article that the event was on overtime and she was a late addition. some people probably needed to go and rounds and rounds of applause would have held them longer.

  196. Jaz, you need to STFU with the negativity on this blog. You are starting to smell like a concern troll to me.

  197. The media is just trying to fan the flames. Hutchinson had it right, and it is just ugly to try and divide the Party this way.

  198. Howard Dean needs to call Obama camp and stop this, but once the genie is out of the bottle, the bell rung.

    Tweety will be saying, oh it’s just smart on Obama’s part … I guess this is another part of rough and tumble,

    I don’t want rough and tumble in our leader … we got that now and look where we are in this country. I’m beginning to doubt that Obama is really even a true democrat at heart.

  199. If I was a troll, I wouldnt be here. I’d be on politico with the rest of them. I’m also not voting in this election. I’m not even a US citizen, but As a Brit, I’ve had so much shit with spin-doctors (aka Blair) i’m spending some time campaigning on the net for Hillary.

    Perhaps then can europe get a leader who is more about doing things rather than getting the headlines.

  200. European, election laws are set by the states and state parties. They can choose primary or caucus, and also whether Independents can vote in party contests, or whether members of the other party can cross over and vote. Some states require party registration to vote in primaries; others forbid it.

    The “system” — if you can call it — that is pretty chaotic, and this time it’s being gamed for all it’s worth.

    The one thing that can’t happen is for a candidate to switch parties or be an Independent for the sake of one state.

  201. Thanks for posting that, Jaz. It wasn’t a campaign appearance, and the audience was filled with Obama supporters, so I’m not surprised her reception was low-key.

  202. jaz, with all do respect, this is a pro hillary blog. if you want to poo hoo hillary’s run, go to daily kos, huffington post or other wingnut blogs. we don’t need anti-hillary articles runned here.

  203. Has anyone here made phone calls for Hillary from home? What’s it like? What do I say? Do I leave messages or actually talk to people? I wonder if I could do this from my cell phone?

  204. jaz – i am new here to the space too, and am appreciative that you are campaigning for Hillary from where you are…I’ve noticed how positive this space is and if there’s legitimate worry and concern for Hillary’s campaign, that’s expressed, and we support each other through it…

    I welcome your opinions, but perhaps there are more sensitive ways to express them because we do want to keep upbeat and positive and focused.

  205. true2 – i haven’t made the calls from home per se, but going to their campaign headquarters and hearing about the process, it seems there’s a script that comes up for you to read. When I make calls from their headquarters in my city, there’s a script and pretty clear instructions what to say, and whether to leave messages.

  206. Thank you Ininla, this place is really hostile. I was expecting Clinton fans to be softer, but I guess they have been battle hardened. 🙂

    What America does…the world follows. Hence my interest. I’m also an economist, and as far as I’m concerned I have alot of money at stake if the USA goes into recession. Now back to the topic…

    Nothing until tomorrows debate now I think…

  207. This might surprise you all.On MSNBC I heard tweety Matthews supporting Hillary and Bill. He thought it was dumb statagey on the part of BO’s campaign imply that Bill and Hillary are racist. He said it is just not true. He thought BO might win SC but it would create a huge backlash.

  208. History Vindicates Clinton
    The New Republic: Remarks On LBJ, MLK Jr. Reflect Reality Of Civil Rights Movement

    In war, truth is the first casualty – but in politics, it appears that the first victim is history.

    The latest maiming of the historical record and elementary historical logic has come over Martin Luther King, Jr., Lyndon B. Johnson – and the presidential primaries of 2008. The media echo chamber is now booming with charges that Senator Hillary Clinton has disparaged Dr. King, praised President Johnson in his stead, and thereby distorted the history of the civil rights movement. It is the latest evidence, say the talking heads, that Clinton is running a subtly racist campaign – or, as the theology and African-American studies professor Michael Eric Dyson worded it on MSNBC, that she is carrying a message with an “an implicit racial subtext.”

    Ben Smith of Politico was among the first to stir things up, charging that remarks by Clinton on MLK and LBJ offered “an odd example for the argument between rhetoric and action” that Clinton has been making in her contest with Senator Barack Obama.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/14/opinion/main3710235.shtml

  209. mj; I have been doing. I didn’t know he was a NYT commentator until recently, however, one of my old university professors is a friend of Krugman’s…he’s convinced he will get the nobel prize for his work. We’ll see eventually…

  210. “This might surprise you all.On MSNBC I heard tweety Matthews supporting Hillary and Bill. He thought it was dumb statagey on the part of BO’s campaign imply that Bill and Hillary are racist. He said it is just not true. He thought BO might win SC but it would create a huge backlash.”

    Nah, I’m not surprise…that weasel@!@!! I still say MSNBC needs to fired Chris Matthews sexist ass…I’m sick and tired of his unprofessional behavior and until I see that organization operates at the standards my job has to….then I’ll still say the media has failed us like the did the run up to the Iraq war.

    American take their vote seriously and for MSNBC to be Obama propagandist is just shameful.

  211. Has anyone contacted Obama campaign precinct captain Bob Buchanan at 775.813.8962? Someone should ask Obama campaign precinct captain Bob Buchanan who is responsible for the production of the flier he is circulating in Reno.

  212. jaz – really, everyone here has been great and it’s not hostile, and so, know that putting up negative articles and those that contribute more to handwringing and making all anxious changes the vibe in this space – And illiciting and contributing to back and forth battles between the members here also changes the vibe when we should be focusing our energy towards Hillary winning – so, just know that that’s where people are coming from.

  213. What lninla said. Also, all Hillary supporters know to approach the media with skepticism. This articles intent was to magnify the racial divide that may or may not develop on voting day. I met several people of every ethnicity, including african americans, in NH canvassing for Hillary. You can not just believe what the press tells you. Look how wrong they were about NH.

  214. I can’t believe the press. They are blaming Bill Clinton’s fairy tale comment on jumpstarting the race relations.

  215. United, I’m about 40% NA. Cherokee, Choctaw and Black Foot. I can say what I want about murals. Especially the ones in the neon colors. They make me think loving thoughts about Kucinich. 😉

  216. Michelle Obama’s speech stoked the embers yesterday when she claimed Bill’s comment referred to Obama’s candidacy and not his vacillations on Iraq.

  217. Are our, “Baker st. irregulars”, getting that flier out to BM? Is it legit? I notice that the word, “precinct”, is mis-spelled. Could it be a ruse or plant? If it’s legit, it’s disgusting, and probably useful, but we should verify the authenticity of origin first, IMO.

  218. Obama was running in an anti-war constituency, Durbin was opposing the war, his primary opponents were not supporting the war and also came to oppose it, and guess what – he gave it at an anti war rally where the crowds lapped up his words.

    I think I’ve seen that point made at
    http://www.blackcommentator.com/47/47_cover.html

    See also:
    No sooner had Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign been declared “viable” by the corporate media, than the speech disappeared from Obama’s web site. …
    http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_ content&task=view&id=407&Itemid=44

    Both sites have well-reasoned and supported articles on many Obama issues. To search the whole sites, enter this in the Google search box:

    site:blackagendareport.com obama website speech

    or

    ite:www.blackcommentator.com obama website speech

    or whatever you want to find at the site

  219. taylor Marsh has an update on the fliers. She spoke with Bob (whose name is on the fliers) and he admitted handing them out. He said he passed out about a hundred of them and then decided they weren’t positive and stopped. He said it isn’t the Obama campaign – it’s just him.

    yeah, right.

  220. Ok. Well, what a day!

    Now, I have to go to school (night classes of course, ugh!) and keep up with the tide. Funny how a Bachelor’s degree doesn’t mean much these days. Gotta get a graduate degree….while at the same time working full time. Oy!

    God, I can’t wait until Hillary gets in office to help folks like me.

  221. Tomorrows debate:

    If Russert plays just the fairy tale line and asks Hillary to answer the question, she should say. I wont answer the question UNLESS you play the other three lines infront of the conversation so that viewers get the context. That should end Russert bravado right there. LOL..

  222. TheRealist @4:37

    Thank you very much for the link to Sean Wilentz’ piece on history truthtelling.

    It woud do every one on this site a great deal of good to read it (abt 4 minutes max) and get regrounded. This is the kind of truthtelling style we need to focus on while enduring the “Incoming!”

    I graduated U of Ill 1962, already married into the Air Force. I sense a few on this site actually lived in the time as young/mid-aged adults at the time and fully understand the fallacies in BO’s current stance,.

    We also hear our girl well and what she is really saying.

    For the rest of you, try to pick up her speech from this afternoon…
    can’t find where it was exactly, but it honored Martin Luther King Jr. Any idea where…a link? Help.

  223. Basement Angel, even if the fliers were handed out by a non-Obama affiliate, this still just goes to show that Obama’s “support” among independents is being fueled by cross-over Republicans who are just out to stop Hillary. Obama’s support isn’t nearly as deep as Big Media makes it out to be.

  224. Here are some important facts that we are overlooking:

    Iraq resolution was adopted by senate on October 11 2002

    Obama gave his speech on October 26, 2002

    I read the text of Obama’s speech and I do not see a single reference to the senate resolution. If he thought the senate resolution was that important how come he did not say that 15 days after the resolution was passed. It does not make any sense. No body ever asked him the question:

    Senator if you thought that the Iraq resolution was that important how come we did not hear from you in your speech 15 days after it was passed?

  225. Did you all see the link that Taylor Marsh has for similar Obama flyer in Florida – starts this way: obamaflorida2008.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php?p2_articleid=17

    WANNA BECOME AN OBAMACRAT?!!!
    By Obama Florida 2008
    Published: April 24, 2007

    Tens of thousands of people in Florida are already supporting Barack Obama for president.

    But, you know what? You won’t be able to vote for him in the all-important Florida Primary next February unless you are a registered Democrat, or unless you re-register as a Democrat.

    See, Florida law mandates a “closed primary” for presidential primaries. Even if you’re an independent, these archaic laws will not let you vote in either major party primary.

    Put another way — you have been legally disenfranchised.

    That’s why “Democrat for a Day” was launched this spring by ObamaFlorida2008. Using the official forms provided by all Supervisors of Elections offices, you may re-register as a Democrat for that one day — when the primary is likely to be held — on February 5, 2008. You must do so before the end of 2007, to make sure it is done 30 days before the primary.

    But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the
    Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.

    ObamaFlorida2008 recognizes and respects all citizens who have varying points of view. We just want to make it make it possible to vote for Barack Obama in the primary — or for that matter — anyone you wish.

    Duval, Hillsbrough, Pinellas, Alachua, Leon, Volusia, Nassau, Clay, Okaloosa, Polk and St. Johns voters are already re-registering in the “Democrat for a Day” program.

    Within weeks, it will be expanded to all 67 counties in Florida.

    And, from the standpoint of the Obama campaign, it is a win-win situation! For example, how many Republicans do you think will re-register to vote for our respected opponent Hillary Clinton? That’s right … virtually no one.

  226. mj, Yes his speech was on october 26, 2002 according to wikisource. I posted the link. I do not know why it is not showing up.

  227. The republicans are all jockeying to be the most conservative and the heir to Ronald Reagan, as ridiculous as that sounds, but it does give some insight into how they plan to run against the democrat in the race.

    They are going to go after the democrat as, “too liberal”, especially when it comes to national defense and the battle against terrorists, al qaeda. Which of the three leading democratic candidates has the best case against being, “defined”, as a white-wine swilling, wind-surfing elitist liberal?

  228. Obama is doing the same thing with fliers in Florida – told Republicans to come vote for him, then switch back. He made it clear that he had no desire to ask them to actually become Democrats for the general, or was appealing to them to bring them over to our side or our principles.

    obamaflorida2008.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php?p2_articleid=17

    He does not care if he tears the Democratic party apart. He simply does not care. It’s all about him and his ego.

  229. I just watched a little HARDBALL and MAN I hope Hillary is listening to the woman from Texas. That image Hillary NEEDS to portray now and tomorrow at the debate is uniter. MLK’s dream was to unite unite unite and that is how Hillary should react to the attacks from Barack. The goal of the racist attacks is to make Hillary seem like a divider. Tomorrow night she should challenge Obama on the grounds that she can unite the country unlike Obama who is attempting to splinter the Demo party. You know Barack has handed Hillary an opportunity to change the image of Barack = uniter and Hillary = divider she must take it.

    She needs to show she believes the MLK message of unity (which of course she does, but just needs to show it).

  230. HillaryforTexas, the site itself is down. Try just obamaflorida2008.com. It doesn’t work, so maybe this is just a prank.

  231. I am one who called Bob the flyer-distributor. My cell log says 2:53 CST.
    By that time he seemed scared sh–less and realizing he was out of his depth. I told him to immediately call his county Dem chair, fess up and take his lumps. Then he should call the Dem State Chair and do the same.

    He told me it was all his idea, he was just trying to boost his precinct turnout, and said he was already considering resigning his post, if it was going to hurt BO. I suggested it was’t BO he should be worried about as much as the Party.

    Area code is 775.

    He thought I was a BO precinct capt…thanked me for all my work in Iowa..
    I said “yah right ” and hung up on him.

    This is a NV Dem party issue and they need to deal w/ it. It wouldn’t bother me a bit if they censored the BO campaign and Bob.

    That’s why I urged him to call the party (get it?) and not the campaign, ASAP.

  232. Bill O’Reilly supports Hillary on the race controversy. He devoted on hour of his radio program to that subject.

  233. rep shiela jackson-lee is such a sweetheart on hardball aginst this angry/gruff obama guy. she defended hillary’s civil rights record. she did mention john lewis’s support for hillary but his silence is annoying to me. but anyway she was a peach, mrs. jackson-lee.

  234. OK…I am fired up and royally pissed off!! I have had enough of the race baiting….For the record I read this site several times a day and post when I get the chance..I love all the articles referred to. I am AA..i DON’T WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE..on second thought too bad if i do……THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT HILLARY SAID AS IT RELATES TO MLK AND LBJ..black folks.. learn your history!! What did LBJ say after he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? ” we have just lost the south for the next 50 years…but it was the right thing to do.I just spoke to my 70 something dad and he is just sick over this…he does not understand why one man is willing to “drag the whole race down with him” as my daddy says “he ain’t gonna win”. My baby bro is BHO all the way…well, maybe not He called during lunch, he does not like the way this is going, says BHO will will the battle (south carolona) and lose the war(nomination and he thinks this will cause the dems to lose the prize.He believes it will make is harder for the next viable black candidate to suceed. in my small circle of friends and family I can’t find anyone who thinks this is smart. I am so angry right now and a little sad. Oh and another thing, why can’t anyone say cocaine? He did it!! My bro says my girl was very good on mtp yesterday…says he was kinda inpressed…that means he took notice…i asked him who he was voting for..says i don’t know yet, HA My older bro says BHO–tastes great, less filling, I don’t even know about that!!!

  235. Sheila Jackson Lee kicks ASS! I would hate for we Texans to lose her, but I’d love to see her in Hillary’s admin. She is a rock, and takes no shit from ANYBODY. She stands up for AA rights, womens rights, gay rights, and speaks her mind. I LOVE her.

  236. She even came to NH for Hill’s last rally, and I hear she rocked the house. This woman is going places. She’s a powerhouse. I just love her!

  237. I just posted at
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/calling-all-ind.html?cid=97098486#comment-97098486

    Just to show what bi-partisanship gets you….

    As for HIllary and the rest of the 85 US Senators that voted in 2002 for bi-partisan support for Bush and Powell in their dealings with the UN…. Here is a strong conservative, David Brooks, who has analyzed Hillary’s speeches at the time and defends her:
    “At that point Clinton was saying in public what Colin Powell was saying in private: emphasizing the need to work through the U.N. and build a broad coalition to enforce inspections.
    “She delivered her Senate resolution speech on Oct. 10. It was Clintonian in character. On the one hand, she rejected the Bush policy of pre-emptive war. On the other hand, she also rejected the view that the international community “should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it.” Drawing on the lessons of Bosnia, she said sometimes the world had to act, even if the big powers couldn’t agree.
    “She sought a third way: more U.N. resolutions, more inspections, more diplomacy, with the threat of force reserved as a last resort. She was triangulating, but the Senate resolution offered her a binary choice. She voted yes in order to give Powell bipartisan leverage at the U.N.
    “This is how she’s always explained that vote, and I confess that until now, I’ve regarded her explanation as a transparent political dodge. Didn’t everyone know this was a war resolution? But now, having investigated her public comments, I think diplomatic leverage really was on her mind. I also know, from a third person, that she was spending a lot of time with Powell and wanted to help.”

    Here’s a copy of Brooks’ whole piece at Hillary’s website:
    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/article/view/?id=1336
    Brooks’ whole piece still up at NYT but I’ve misplaced that link.

  238. goddblessya anbritt, speak ya mind my sista. as everyone here knows i am also african-american and very pro hillary. i say 60/40 my family is for obama. my wife and i are both voting for hillary in our primary in connecticut but my wife likes obama too. oh well, can’t get everything u want in the marriage.lol. take what you can get.

  239. Mr. “I’m a uniter, not a divider”, has been in office for seven years. Hillary’s message is her own. Compassionate and COMPETENT government will unite the nation. This racial sidebar is just that and I strongly disagree that Hillary has to do anything to show that she, “believes the MLK message of unity”, as we have already gone beyond the point where any more rhetoric like that smacks of pandering.

    Let her surrogates and her record speak for her. She will, as I posted above HAVE to deal with the issue tomorrow night. She will, and that should be that. As to John L. Lewis speaking out, he DID, when he endorsed Hillary. He hasn’t wavered and again, trotting out her AA big-guns as apologists is insulting to Hillary’s life’s work and to them.

  240. H4T

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Florida as the registration books closed 12/31/07 before the Iowa results got his puddle wave started. They are trying the same thing in every state. Here in NJ Rep and Ind have until tomorrow to change their registration in order to vote in the Dem primary and I have seen little organization on that front here.

  241. Obama’s flyers certainly make clear who is the threat to the establishment and it sure f*ck isn’t Obama. If Hillary was the conservative that she’s being accused of being, then indies and Pubs wouldn’t be willing to cross over and vote for her.

  242. Obama Calls a Truce
    Monday, January 14th, 2008
    At Reno press conference, says he wants “tit-for-tat” with Clinton to end.”

    thepage.time.com/2008/01/14/obama-calls-a-truce/

    He knows it’s blowing up in his face!

  243. Basement Angel,

    I agree w/ you totally…our girl should not apologize for something she, or her campaign, did not do.

    That tactic of faux mea culpa, is used only by the desperate, the flim-flam tribes, or the desperate.

    And Hillary Rodham Clinton is none of those.

    Short way to say it…she has nothing for which she needs to apologize.

  244. Here I am, reading all this from Puerto Rico, (where I can’t vote for president). This is a wonderful web-site, I think. You really care about what is posted, and are alert to any troll-like behavior. I wish I could help from here, but I don’t know how. Probably responding to negative posts about Hill is a good way. BTW, in Puerto Rico you don’t automatically get categorized on race – like either black or white. We’re all colors. In my Puerto Rican family we go from quite dark to very light, with noses of all shapes and eyes from black to blue. It’s so disgusting what is happening in the campaign. I hope Hill can squelch it!

  245. Oh now Obama calls for a truce because he sees that his lies are blowing up in his face. What a hypocrite.

  246. alright – it does look like Obama is stepping up and quelling the racism charges –

    from politico – “Obama said he wants to send “a strong signal to my own supporters that let’s try to focus on the work that needs to get done. If I hear my own supporters engaging in talk that I think is ungenerous or misleading or unfair, I will speak out forcefully against it….

    Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically been on the right side of civil rights issues. They care about the African American community.… That is something I am convinced of. I want Americans to know that is my assessment.”

  247. “Oh now Obama calls for a truce because he sees that his lies are blowing up in his face. What a hypocrite.”

    That’s easy enough…stop calling hillary a racist!

  248. Caroline Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
    Oh now Obama calls for a truce because he sees that his lies are blowing up in his face. What a hypocrite.

    No kidding. Spare me, Obama. Hillary is not fighting you, you just keep attacking her as a racist. Thanks for announcng you won’t anymore.

  249. yes, Obama certainly let these false charges have legs before he stepped up to quell them: at least he did say this “Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically been on the right side of civil rights issues. They care about the African American community.… That is something I am convinced of. I want Americans to know that is my assessment.”

  250. “Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically been on the right side of civil rights issues. They care about the African American community.… That is something I am convinced of. I want Americans to know that is my assessment.””

    Didn’t Obama’s wife charged Bill Clinton of being racist? What a hypocrite!

  251. 1/14/2008
    California NAACP President Alice Huffman Endorses Clinton
    Huffman Supports Clinton as “staunch advocate for rights of all Americans”
    LOS ANGELES, CA – The Clinton campaign today announced the endorsement of Alice Huffman, President of the California State Conference of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP.) The endorsement comes on the anniversary of Martin Luther King’s birthday. Senator Clinton delivered a speech in honor of the national holiday today at an SEIU celebration in New York City.

    “Over the years, Hillary Clinton has earned my respect as a staunch advocate for the rights of people invisible to our nation’s government, including women, minorities, children, and seniors,” said Huffman. “Hillary shares my commitment to children, and has been a lifelong advocate for improving childhood education and health care. As President, I feel strongly that Hillary will create an atmosphere in this country that accepts and promotes the rights of all Americans.”

    Huffman has a distinguished career in public advocacy. Since 1999, she has been president of the California State Conference of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the nation’s oldest civil rights organization. In 2002, Huffman was elected to the NAACP’s National Board of Directors were she currently serves as Region I Board Member. Huffman has previously served as associate executive director for politics for the California Teachers Association and state president of the Black American Political Association of California.

    “It is wrong that that Americans still face discrimination in the workplace – that children still attend schools that are separate and unequal, and that schools don’t prepare them for the jobs of the 21st century,” said Senator Clinton. “Alice and I have long shared the same cause of fighting to right those wrongs and I am both honored and humbled to have her support.”

    Senator Hillary Clinton’s speech at the SEIU birthday celebration can be viewed in its entirety here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNB3EHA5_k0.

  252. Well, that’s all good, and this does need to end, but he’s not scoring any points after pushing this slander.

  253. Hillary gets another super delegate!!

    1/14/2008
    U.S. Representative Mike Thompson Endorses Hillary Clinton for President
    Endorsement a Big Boost for Clinton Campaign in Northern California
    LOS ANGELES, CA – In another display of momentum, Hillary Clinton today received the endorsement of U.S. Congressman Mike Thompson of California’s First Congressional District.

    “I have worked with Senator Clinton since she was First Lady and she has always shown herself to be an intelligent, hard-working, and compassionate public servant who really cares about the people of our country,” said Congressman Thompson (D-CA). “Her lifetime of experience, including her most recent work in the United States Senate, has given her a deep understanding of issues critical to rural communities like those throughout our district – including the difficulty in accessing quality healthcare and the challenges and benefits of sustainable agriculture.”

    Representative Thompson was elected to represent California’s First Congressional District in 1998 after severing in the California State Senate. Thompson was the first Vietnam veteran elected to the California State Senate, continues to own and operate a small, organic vineyard, and has made his reputation in Congress bringing Republicans and Democrats together on important legislation.

    “Representative Thompson has dedicated his life to serving his country and he has an incredible record of delivering results to the people of his district,” said Senator Clinton. “From urban centers to the spectacular North Coast, families I talk to are looking for change. With California’s help and support, I will deliver that change and get our country back in the solutions business again.”

  254. I think there will be blowback against Obama for pushing the race card. The memo from the Obama campaign is one example of how Obama is pushing racist memes in this campaign. I hope you post it:

    MSNBC, Joe Scarborough Thinks Obama Campaign Speakers’ racism is “funny!?” Chris Rock introducing Obama:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0D6SWB1Tq4

    In Follow-Up Poll, Hillary Regains Big National Lead:

    http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/poll_mccain_hillary_gain_sizable_national_leads.php

    Obama Campaign’s Memo Proving They are Pushing the Race Card:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

    And, finally, there’s this, which the Obama campaign has had 5 days to rebut, and has refused to do so:

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26825

  255. obama saw the media was turning on him. BillOreilly defending Hillary…..

    how much you want to bet that obama gets the first question tomorrow night and he’ll grab this “truce” card.

    the NAACP endorsment is music to my ears.

    still

  256. Ha!

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    and here’s the Google cache:

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    These search terms have been highlighted: st johns voters already re registering democrat for a day program

    WANNA BECOME AN OBAMACRAT?!!!
    By Obama Florida 2008
    Published: April 24, 2007

    I’m cutting this for length.

    (Hi, Ben)

  257. I’ll take the truce becuase the Party is more important than Hill or Obama, but couldn’t he have just been honest and offered an apology instead of a truce?

  258. For Bill O’Reilly to defend Hillary then you know something is up lol. Do you guys think that the Obama campaign saw something in their polls they didn’t like? Took the hypocrite long enough. Now Hillary can move on with spreading her message on how she will make America great again.

  259. An idea…one of my “do something vs whine” rants.

    Everyone here call YOUR state Democratic chair, tell him/her about the flyers (have your back-up info available), ask the chair to contact the DNP requesting that the National party issue a warning to all campaigns to stop skating so close to the legal edge.

    Now, for your backup move…

    contact your COUNTY chair, ask them to call the State chair and urge that the State Chair call upon the National Party to sanction any campaign that skates….blah blah

    How woud you like to be the campaign chair that gets calls or memos or warnings from the county, state and/or national org ?

    Many of the county/state honchos will try to take action before it goes up the food chain, for the power, control or just because it’s the right thing to do.

    Be honest, but take no prisoners.

  260. I sent an e-mail to TPM about the NV flier. They e-mailed me back and said they were trying to verify it. Does Taylor Marsh have the update on her site about the guy admitting it?

    BTW, I’m happy to hear Obama’s statement. He was the only one who could end it, really.

  261. Btw, Ben Smith of Politico is one of those guys who pretends he is neutral when he is not. He has always try to read something suggestive in anything that Hillary does, and he can’t do his so-called objective analysis without leaving his farts hangin’ in the air.

  262. yeah, dot49, about time. and i give no credit for obama calling truce. he did it becuase it was hurting HIM.

  263. obamacrat?? this guy is all about himself people. i’m sure there is a medical term for what he is exhibiting.

    He does not care about this country or the people here, he cares about himself. He’s clueless.

  264. Cafferty on CNN believes the Clinton’s should repudiate Johnson’s statement. His tone has become increasingly sanctimonious during the primary.

  265. Terrondt: thanks for the shout! btw i agree ob is calling a truce because it is no longer in his best interest to keep this THING going… But i am glad the clintons fought back..no one wants to be called racist, that is an ugly charge.

  266. do we know what states these fliers are being used in. Tenn primary is 2/5 and I am willing to call.

    I’m trying to figure out the GOTC calling program. I’m not sure how this conference call thing works and to the exact details. I’m not sure I’m savvy enough to do it.

    Not being cynical but could this calling program become sabotaged, it looks pretty open and my mind might be in the gutter but boy oh boy.

  267. Lewis is ACCUSING “someone in the BO camp” of purposely ginning the issue.

    Lowry is accusing the media ‘

    Clip this someone! please.

  268. We don’t hear any booing or shouts of “Obama”, as reported.
    Reverend Youngblood introduces Hillary at Dr. King birthday event (19 minutes long):

  269. cafferty needs to go join msnbc bloviating. Give the guy some importance on a program and he just becomes obnoxious. Men!!!! Not all men though, specially the ones who support Hillary LOL

  270. You GO, John Lewis!! Let to Obamazoids call the man who was ON that bridge to Selma and BEATEN for it a sellout race baiter. Let ’em try.

  271. Judge: Include Kucinich In Nev. Debate
    Ruling Threatens Injunction Halting Broadcast If Long-Shot Democrat Isn’t Allowed To Participate

    AP) A Nevada judge says Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich must be included in Tuesday’s candidates’ debate in Nevada.

    Senior Clark County District Court Judge Charles Thompson says if Kucinich is excluded, he’ll issue an injunction stopping the televised debate.

    The judge sided with a lawyer for the Ohio congressman, who says debate host MSNBC at first invited Kucinich to take part and then told him last week he couldn’t.

    A lawyer for the network says MSNBC decided to go with the top three candidates after the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries.

    The judge calls it a matter of fairness and says Nevada voters will benefit if they hear from more than just Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards.

    The cable network and the Democratic Party are calling the 6 p.m. debate a chance to hear issues from Nevada’s minority communities. Tim Russert and Brian Williams are moderating.

  272. Chickadees,

    I think the race thing is dead for now.

    For those in Mountain or Pacific time, enjoy.

    PBS Jim Lehrer’s Newshour. Judy (Al Hunt’s wife) led the piece.

    Matthews and RustyJowls are going to crap. There goes 10 days of race baiting commentary and finger-pointing.

    O’reilly will take credit. Wanna bet?

  273. Brazille and Clyborn…what??

    Darn! I have just got Direct TV and I couldn’t find the station…I pray there is a clip of this because at this moment…the media is useless with it’s Obamamania virus and seeing a clip as it’s happening takes away the manipulation that has been going on so much lately.

  274. Statement of Hillary Rodham Clinton
    “Over this past week, there has been a lot of discussion and back and forth – much of which I know does not reflect what is in our hearts.

    “And at this moment, I believe we must seek common ground.

    “Our party and our nation is bigger than this. Our party has been on the front line of every civil rights movement, women’s rights movement, workers’ rights movement, and other movements for justice in America.

    “We differ on a lot of things. And it is critical to have the right kind of discussion on where we stand. But when it comes to civil rights and our commitment to diversity, when it comes to our heroes – President John F. Kennedy and Dr. King – Senator Obama and I are on the same side.

    “And in that spirit, let’s come together, because I want more than anything else to ensure that our family stays together on the front lines of the struggle to expand rights for all Americans.”

  275. carby I don’t get pbs either. I hope this is the first sign of things getting right again,

    don’t mind hearing brazille get beat up on,she has been super harsh on Hillary..

    This is good press for Hillarry going into tomorrow debate.

    Since this debate will be about issues effecting minority, Hillary will shine. She is the only one on the panel with a history of doing anything about those issues.

    Go Hillary!!!

  276. It will not die that quickly, you know Oberman is going to attack O’Reilly tonight for defending Hillary and O’Reilly will come back at him etc…..

  277. OKIE,

    I CAN DO YOU ONE BETTER, WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER (B.C.),
    i had a man who begged me for weeks to let him paint me on velvet.
    it was suppose to be a nude back view, sitting on fur, with my hair hanging down….oh in the moonlight! yeah right! LOL

    and the dude really did paint velvets…
    that beats your mural any day…

  278. olberman sucks lately. I quit watching msnbc…period. the more we give tweety, pumpkin head and other the ratings. I know its hard to not watch the train wreck.

    My sister did tell me somthing this evening that scarbrough said.:

    “Everyone gets to the white house through MTP and Tim Russert” … unreal, they really believe they are gods!!

  279. Carbynew

    Admin’s video clips are not manipulated.

    They are See It Now experiences. A little late maybe, but satisfying, like a well roasted duck with orange sauce.

  280. OMG, John Lewis on PBS supporting Hillary regarding this race issue. FINALLY! Discussion with Rep. John Lewis and Lowry of SCLC moderated by Judy Woodruff. Watch now. Says Obama camp is sending out memos using the race card against Hillary. Lowry, says all canidates should stay on the issue.s

  281. Guys, I think this does need to die down, and I think both camps know it. I’m not sure Obama himself fully realized what a fire he was lighting when he struck that match. I also believe, in my gut, that some heavyweights in the AA community like Lewis have been working privately to put a lid on this before it tears the damn country apart.

    I have no doubt that there have been some choice words indeed to Obama’s people behind the scenes from Lewis and Shaprton and others. Like, “ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?? STOP THIS! RIGHT NOW!”

    It’s been reined in. Let it die, if it will.

  282. John Lewis said that he happens to believe at this junction in history that we need someone with experience like Hillary. He is very strong for Hillary. Lowry is in between but perhaps a little pro Obama. He said that Clyburn and Donna Bazile raised this issue not Obama. Lewis said that people like Bazile and others raised this issue because they want to use this issue as a cover to come out in support of Obama.

    Wow! This is hot! Lowry is talking about ‘fairy tail’ not being a positive approach. Lewis said that ‘fairy tail’ was mentioned regarding Iraq war not anything else.

  283. Dot48

    Tell your sister RustyJowls is going down. It may be we have to wait for Karma on a white horse, but it will happen. His lifesong is just so sour, he won’t survive.

    Sign the Working Assets petition and add your weight to the effort to bring him down.

    Thanks

  284. “Carbynew

    Admin’s video clips are not manipulated.

    They are See It Now experiences. A little late maybe, but satisfying, like a well roasted duck with orange sauce.”

    Emjay, I know…I love the admin video clips…I’m talking about NYT, Newsweek, Huffington post truncated crap. I use the Admins videos as source material. My daughter was leaning to BHO but she was shocked when I told her about his “true” positions and followed it up.

  285. I hope the Lewis comments gain some mainstream traction – thank god for funding for PBS so there’s remnants of sanity amongst all this corporate media pandering to the horserace – this “dividing the Democrats” storyline that can come out of Lewis’ discussions PLUS the flyer coming out of NV – really will reflect on Obama’s character. Please media – please see the truth. Anyone send the flyer to Russert and Brian Williams?

  286. Honor Roll Time:

    Eleven more dead from Iraq and Afghanistan.

    We are starting to average 10 a week again.

    Dammit.

  287. i watched the lewis/lowery debate. it was great. i really was down on lewis becuase i felt he was slow to defend the clintons but he pushed back well.

  288. Fanning the flames on NBC Nightly News, Andrea Mitchell claimed that “today the Clinton campaign was in damage control” (because of Hillary’s remarks about MLK) “But instead of apologizing, Clinton blamed the Obama campaign for distorting her remarks“.

    Ah, it’s not “damage control“, it’s LIAR PATROL.

  289. it is clear now that it is reporter like Andrea Mitchell who wants to destroy democrat party by stirring up the racist debate.

  290. FINALLY Barack says something of value in his campaign. “Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically been on the right side of civil rights issues. They care about the African American community.… That is something I am convinced of.”

  291. Right tone for Hillary’s statement.

    Would like to see BO’s for comparison though . He needs to go way beyond any “you’re nice enough” crap…waaay beyond. His camp started it..

  292. “But instead of apologizing, Clinton blamed the Obama campaign for distorting her remarks“.

    Yes, Andrea, because she had nothing to apologize for, and they did distort her remarks.

    It’s been made plenty clear that MLK himself would agree with what Hillary said.

    I think the Republicans are behind the media’s concentration on this story.

  293. mitchell is part of NBC to cut hillary down in any way shape form or fashion. I don’t like her.

    BTW, I emailed Mccaskill over the weekend.

    I got an email this evening that said “thanks for your email” “however, you message was caught in the Senate spam” please write me in Missouri and gave me the link which took me straight back to the same webform I used to begin with.

    Its obvious she got the message

  294. I agree this needs to end. It is bad for the party and bad for the country. It was getting so painful and, yes, the press was loving it. I was beginning to wonder if I could ever vote for the democratic ticket if Hillary was not on it. As of now, I will vote for the ticket–judges are critically important.

  295. it will either be Hillary or Obama .. unless one of them passes. I’m sure I won’t vote at all if he is on the ticket. I am not impressed with really anything about him and I think he would be quite happy to damage the country for his own sake. Judges are important but my selfworth matters too. I’ll sit out of our girl goes down.

  296. CAN I GET A VOTE HERE?

    HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK HILLARY SHOULD TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TOMORROW AT THE DEBATE, TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT MSNBC, AND THEIR ENDLESS ATTEMPTS AT DRIVING A WEDGE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES?

    SHOULD’NT SHE MENTION HOW DIVISIVE THEY HAVE BEEN, AND SAY SHE HOPES THAT VOTERS ACROSS AMERICA SHOULD DECIDE IN COMING YEARS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS SORT OF REPORTING FROM MEDIA?

  297. obama tends to like the conservative judges.

    I’m prolly wont let the judges blackmail determine my decision this time around if he and another conservative make up the ticket.

  298. FINALLY Barack says something of value in his campaign. “Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton have historically been on the right side of civil rights issues. They care about the African American community.… That is something I am convinced of.”

    “That is something I am convinced of” This is a curious phrase as it implies that he needed to be convinced about this fact. This actually gives his supporters room to say – ” Well… I’m not convinced” his pledge to crack down on misleading/ungenerous talk notwithsanding. The better phrase would have been – “And this is undeniable” or “no one can deny this”.

  299. maybe someday Hillary’s historic feat in NH will be recognized. NV is too close to call IMO, organization is key.

    I hope the judge rules against those prefab caucus sites..it simply is not right. To fault any campaign for not complaining is not legit either…it’s the people of Nevada who complained correctly and brought the suit.

  300. skmf12, Or she could mention the media in general. They did play a huge role in this, as Joseph Lowry said on PBS.

  301. Believe it or not, Lou Dobbs defended Hillary during their discussion of the vitriolic exchanges between the Clinton and Obama campaigns. Dobbs also excoriated Edwards and Obama for withdrawing their names from the Michigan ballot.

  302. paula,

    i think in the middle of one of timmeh’s pile on’s, she should turn the subject around to him and media fault in all this…

  303. rickya, I noticed something too: He said the Clintons “historically” supported civil rights. What about now?

    Hillary’s statement was less ambiguous.

  304. Jack Cafferty assumed a polemical stance against Hillary this evening. Is this recent, or has he always been an advocate for the Obama campaign?

  305. i still feel like obama comes out smelling like a rose to some extent. he gets to put out the message and the media will lap it up like helpless kitties.

  306. dot48 Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    i still feel like obama comes out smelling like a rose to some extent. he gets to put out the message and the media will lap it up like helpless kitties.

    No, he really doesn’t.

  307. Dot48

    evidently there is a list of places where the flyer tactic is showing up:

    go to DT@6:32pm for the link. And it doesn’t have to be in your state for you to call…just mention that you know it is going, or has gone on, in blah, blah and blah. (Remember your backup info.)

    Then just make your pitch for fully legal campaign activities, and you KNOW they are honourable people who feel the same.

    Thanx for being willing to be a doer, like our girl.

  308. “But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.”

    A kid in NV got caught distributing paper flyers for this idea. Will Obama disavow all knowledge — of this site which has been up since April 24, 2007?

    I’m posting the Google url again for independent archiving.
    Quoting from the Google cache “as retrieved on Nov 30, 2007 02:11:00 GMT”
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:MVQ9FvgfVwoJ:www.obamaflorida2008.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php%3Fp2_articleid%3D17+St.+Johns+voters+are+already+re-registering+in+the+%22Democrat+for+a+Day%22+program.&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=opera

    WANNA BECOME AN OBAMACRAT?!!!
    By Obama Florida 2008
    Published: April 24, 2007
    ….
    That’s why “Democrat for a Day” was launched this spring by ObamaFlorida2008. Using the official forms provided by all Supervisors of Elections offices, you may re-register as a Democrat for that one day — when the primary is likely to be held — on February 5, 2008. You must do so before the end of 2007, to make sure it is done 30 days before the primary.

    But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the
    Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.
    ….
    But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.

    In fact, during the first couple of weeks in April, some 150 Republicans indeed became “Democrats for a Day.” You might call them “Obamacrats!”

  309. Btw, Ben Smith of Politico is one of those guys who pretends he is neutral when he is not. He has always try to read something suggestive in anything that Hillary does, and he can’t do his so-called objective analysis without leaving his farts hangin’ in the air.

    Ah, but Ben’s farts have the sweet fragrance of scented geraniums in the fingerbowls at Georgetown dinner parties. (Hi, Ben!).

  310. MJ

    I agree…he’ll smell like a cheap rose-water after shave maybe, but his GQ and Vanity days are over for now, until he hires an image rehabilitation PR expert.

  311. It’s nice when a modicum of sanity injects itself into this ludicrous Clinton bashing but I question the timing. There is an important debate tomorrow and Obama clearly wants to go in looking like the innocent sweetheart as opposed to the rumor mongering, party destroying entity he has been shown to be. He would have stayed with the race baiting had it been working for him but it is clearly working against him. The Obamacratism isn’t helping and he is probably praying that HRC “attacks”. Unfortunately for Obama, any truth being told about him can be perceived as an attack since the truth is becoming more unseemly by the minute.
    Oh, I received not one but three Hillary is 44 buttons and they are a hot commidity. I told all of my friends how to get one. I’ll wear it proudly. Also, my vote for the new Obama theme song is Janet Jackson’e “What Have You Done For Me Lately?’.

  312. terro @7:45

    I can’t remember who brought their names up first.

    I can hardly Wait for the clip. I’ m going to watch it 3 times in a row!

  313. Ed Kock blasting the NyTimes over their irresponsible reporting re Hillary’s remarks. Looks like a pow wow took place in NY and D.C today and a lot of the big wigs are pissed off. Now, I’m hearing that Charlie Rangel just blased Obama and mentioned the cocaine thing. Wow!

    http://www.newsmax.com

    Hillary’s Remarks Deliberately Distorted

    Monday, January 14, 2008 3:11 PM

    By: Edward I Koch Article Font Size

    Last week, the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama turned ugly. The ugliness was on the side of Barack’s supporters, who accused Hillary of making racist statements that, in my view were totally inoffensive from a racial point of view.

    The statements concerned the relative contributions of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and President Lyndon Johnson to the civil rights movement. According to The New York Times, Hillary complimented Dr. King’s soaring rhetoric, but said, “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done.” It is clear why Hillary made these comments.

    Her campaign has focused on her “experience,” while Barack’s campaign has centered on “inspirational leadership” and “change.” In my estimation both candidates are competent to serve as the president of the United States. but I support Hillary Clinton as the most qualified of those running.

    Most shocking for me was that the Times contributed to the misconception of Hillary’s statement. In its editorial on the matter, it stated, “Why Mrs. Clinton would compare herself to Mr. Johnson, who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster, was baffling enough. It was hard to escape the distasteful implication that a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change.”

    The Times charge against Clinton that she implied “a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change” is truly a stretch and an outrage. Does the Times believe that Dr. Martin Luther King’s extraordinary ability to inspire would alone have been able to get a white Southern-dominated Congress to pass a host of several important civil rights bills? Without the leadership, cunning and ability of President Johnson, does anyone think those Southern congressmen and senators could have been persuaded to vote for the great civil rights legislation that was enacted?

    Indeed, as he did it, President Johnson knew he was losing the South, the Democratic Party’s major constituency for generations to come, as is still the case today. Does the Times editorial board believe that Dr. King, whose speeches weighed so heavily on so many in America, had the same positive effect on white Southern members of Congress?

    Does it denigrate Dr. King to say that President Johnson’s power was absolutely necessary to accomplish the results achieved?

    Wouldn’t a fair comparison be to view the rhetoric and appeal to conscience in the American Civil War provided by Frederick Douglass and the abolitionists joined with the political power of President Abraham Lincoln that resulted in saving the Union and the emancipation of the slaves?

    The Times’ attack on Hillary for comparing herself to Mr. Johnson, “who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster,” is also baseless.

    The thrust of those remarks was intended to denigrate President Johnson and dismiss him solely on the Vietnam War. Would the Times make the same snide comment of President John F. Kennedy? He, after all, preceded Johnson in putting American troops in Vietnam. I doubt it.

    Did Hillary compare herself with Johnson, who in the judgment of most Americans was a very good president on a whole host of domestic issues? She did not.

    What she did was to point out that political power is needed in the final crunch in getting legislation enacted in Washington. Who can gainsay that? Only The New York Times.

    In sum, Hillary’s statements appear to have been deliberately misconstrued by her critics in order to stir up racial tensions.

    To make matters worse, two prominent black leaders, Rep. James E. Clyburn, the leading black official in the Congress, and Donna Brazile, the political commentator, attacked former President Bill Clinton, who, commenting on Barack Obama’s explanation of why he is more against the war in Iraq than Hillary, referred to Barack’s statement as a “fairy tale” being spun by Obama and his supporters.

    Factually true or not, there is nothing racial in Bill Clinton’s comment. Donna Brazile said on CNN, “And I tell you as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing.” Was that a fair comment on her part?

    Consider that she is attacking as racially insensitive a president viewed by black leadership and many African-Americans as America’s first black president, held in the highest regard by the black community because of his great support for civil rights benefiting the black community and others.

    Haven’t we reached the time in our political life when black and white candidates can be evaluated, praised, and criticized, using comparable terms and with comparable force?

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  314. thanks kingsgrove… geez i got tv sattelite ..lord i cant find the chanell either…so many darn stations..ill find it later…

  315. hillfans, hillary is having strange and unlikely defenders. bill o’rielly was calling out tim russert for showing only the fairytail coment without showing the whole connection to obama’s shifty iraw war stances. he also stated nbc is in the tank with obama. buchanan, rove, and o’reilly? lol. what next?

  316. As long as ya’ll are emailing the media, include these links to the Florida “Democrat for a Day” site.

    For distribution, here are tinyurls for the Google cache:

    http://tinyurl.com/24pvlg

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/24pvlg

    “Florida “Democrat for a Day”

    preview link to Florida “Democrat for a Day” project

    “But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.”

    A kid in NV got caught distributing paper flyers for this idea. Will Obama disavow all knowledge — of this site which has been up since April 24, 2007?

  317. Someone please go here quickly and capture this picture. It is truly disgusting. It is a picture stating, ‘don’t like Hillary steal our hope’ and it has a noose hanging from it.
    Sorry, here is the link
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_also_seeking_peace.html#comments

    Her campaign has focused on her “experience,” while Barack’s campaign has centered on “inspirational leadership” and “change.” In my estimation both candidates are competent to serve as the president of the United States. but I support Hillary Clinton as the most qualified of those running.

    Most shocking for me was that the Times contributed to the misconception of Hillary’s statement. In its editorial on the matter, it stated, “Why Mrs. Clinton would compare herself to Mr. Johnson, who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster, was baffling enough. It was hard to escape the distasteful implication that a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change.”

    The Times charge against Clinton that she implied “a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change” is truly a stretch and an outrage. Does the Times believe that Dr. Martin Luther King’s extraordinary ability to inspire would alone have been able to get a white Southern-dominated Congress to pass a host of several important civil rights bills? Without the leadership, cunning and ability of President Johnson, does anyone think those Southern congressmen and senators could have been persuaded to vote for the great civil rights legislation that was enacted?

    Indeed, as he did it, President Johnson knew he was losing the South, the Democratic Party’s major constituency for generations to come, as is still the case today. Does the Times editorial board believe that Dr. King, whose speeches weighed so heavily on so many in America, had the same positive effect on white Southern members of Congress?

    Does it denigrate Dr. King to say that President Johnson’s power was absolutely necessary to accomplish the results achieved?

    Wouldn’t a fair comparison be to view the rhetoric and appeal to conscience in the American Civil War provided by Frederick Douglass and the abolitionists joined with the political power of President Abraham Lincoln that resulted in saving the Union and the emancipation of the slaves?

    The Times’ attack on Hillary for comparing herself to Mr. Johnson, “who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster,” is also baseless.

    The thrust of those remarks was intended to denigrate President Johnson and dismiss him solely on the Vietnam War. Would the Times make the same snide comment of President John F. Kennedy? He, after all, preceded Johnson in putting American troops in Vietnam. I doubt it.

    Did Hillary compare herself with Johnson, who in the judgment of most Americans was a very good president on a whole host of domestic issues? She did not.

    What she did was to point out that political power is needed in the final crunch in getting legislation enacted in Washington. Who can gainsay that? Only The New York Times.

    In sum, Hillary’s statements appear to have been deliberately misconstrued by her critics in order to stir up racial tensions.

    To make matters worse, two prominent black leaders, Rep. James E. Clyburn, the leading black official in the Congress, and Donna Brazile, the political commentator, attacked former President Bill Clinton, who, commenting on Barack Obama’s explanation of why he is more against the war in Iraq than Hillary, referred to Barack’s statement as a “fairy tale” being spun by Obama and his supporters.

    Factually true or not, there is nothing racial in Bill Clinton’s comment. Donna Brazile said on CNN, “And I tell you as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing.” Was that a fair comment on her part?

    Consider that she is attacking as racially insensitive a president viewed by black leadership and many African-Americans as America’s first black president, held in the highest regard by the black community because of his great support for civil rights benefiting the black community and others.

    Haven’t we reached the time in our political life when black and white candidates can be evaluated, praised, and criticized, using comparable terms and with comparable force?

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

    Hillary’s Remarks Deliberately Distorted

    Monday, January 14, 2008 3:11 PM

    By: Edward I Koch Article Font Size

    Last week, the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama turned ugly. The ugliness was on the side of Barack’s supporters, who accused Hillary of making racist statements that, in my view were totally inoffensive from a racial point of view.

    The statements concerned the relative contributions of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and President Lyndon Johnson to the civil rights movement. According to The New York Times, Hillary complimented Dr. King’s soaring rhetoric, but said, “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done.” It is clear why Hillary made these comments.

    Her campaign has focused on her “experience,” while Barack’s campaign has centered on “inspirational leadership” and “change.” In my estimation both candidates are competent to serve as the president of the United States. but I support Hillary Clinton as the most qualified of those running.

    Most shocking for me was that the Times contributed to the misconception of Hillary’s statement. In its editorial on the matter, it stated, “Why Mrs. Clinton would compare herself to Mr. Johnson, who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster, was baffling enough. It was hard to escape the distasteful implication that a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change.”

    The Times charge against Clinton that she implied “a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change” is truly a stretch and an outrage. Does the Times believe that Dr. Martin Luther King’s extraordinary ability to inspire would alone have been able to get a white Southern-dominated Congress to pass a host of several important civil rights bills? Without the leadership, cunning and ability of President Johnson, does anyone think those Southern congressmen and senators could have been persuaded to vote for the great civil rights legislation that was enacted?

    Indeed, as he did it, President Johnson knew he was losing the South, the Democratic Party’s major constituency for generations to come, as is still the case today. Does the Times editorial board believe that Dr. King, whose speeches weighed so heavily on so many in America, had the same positive effect on white Southern members of Congress?

    Does it denigrate Dr. King to say that President Johnson’s power was absolutely necessary to accomplish the results achieved?

    Wouldn’t a fair comparison be to view the rhetoric and appeal to conscience in the American Civil War provided by Frederick Douglass and the abolitionists joined with the political power of President Abraham Lincoln that resulted in saving the Union and the emancipation of the slaves?

    The Times’ attack on Hillary for comparing herself to Mr. Johnson, “who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster,” is also baseless.

    The thrust of those remarks was intended to denigrate President Johnson and dismiss him solely on the Vietnam War. Would the Times make the same snide comment of President John F. Kennedy? He, after all, preceded Johnson in putting American troops in Vietnam. I doubt it.

    Did Hillary compare herself with Johnson, who in the judgment of most Americans was a very good president on a whole host of domestic issues? She did not.

    What she did was to point out that political power is needed in the final crunch in getting legislation enacted in Washington. Who can gainsay that? Only The New York Times.

    In sum, Hillary’s statements appear to have been deliberately misconstrued by her critics in order to stir up racial tensions.

    To make matters worse, two prominent black leaders, Rep. James E. Clyburn, the leading black official in the Congress, and Donna Brazile, the political commentator, attacked former President Bill Clinton, who, commenting on Barack Obama’s explanation of why he is more against the war in Iraq than Hillary, referred to Barack’s statement as a “fairy tale” being spun by Obama and his supporters.

    Factually true or not, there is nothing racial in Bill Clinton’s comment. Donna Brazile said on CNN, “And I tell you as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing.” Was that a fair comment on her part?

    Consider that she is attacking as racially insensitive a president viewed by black leadership and many African-Americans as America’s first black president, held in the highest regard by the black community because of his great support for civil rights benefiting the black community and others.

    Haven’t we reached the time in our political life when black and white candidates can be evaluated, praised, and criticized, using comparable terms and with comparable force?

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

    Remarks Deliberately Distorted

    Monday, January 14, 2008 3:11 PM

    By: Edward I Koch Article Font Size

    Last week, the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama turned ugly. The ugliness was on the side of Barack’s supporters, who accused Hillary of making racist statements that, in my view were totally inoffensive from a racial point of view.

    The statements concerned the relative contributions of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and President Lyndon Johnson to the civil rights movement. According to The New York Times, Hillary complimented Dr. King’s soaring rhetoric, but said, “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done.” It is clear why Hillary made these comments.

    Her campaign has focused on her “experience,” while Barack’s campaign has centered on “inspirational leadership” and “change.” In my estimation both candidates are competent to serve as the president of the United States. but I support Hillary Clinton as the most qualified of those running.

    Most shocking for me was that the Times contributed to the misconception of Hillary’s statement. In its editorial on the matter, it stated, “Why Mrs. Clinton would compare herself to Mr. Johnson, who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster, was baffling enough. It was hard to escape the distasteful implication that a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change.”

    The Times charge against Clinton that she implied “a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change” is truly a stretch and an outrage. Does the Times believe that Dr. Martin Luther King’s extraordinary ability to inspire would alone have been able to get a white Southern-dominated Congress to pass a host of several important civil rights bills? Without the leadership, cunning and ability of President Johnson, does anyone think those Southern congressmen and senators could have been persuaded to vote for the great civil rights legislation that was enacted?

    Indeed, as he did it, President Johnson knew he was losing the South, the Democratic Party’s major constituency for generations to come, as is still the case today. Does the Times editorial board believe that Dr. King, whose speeches weighed so heavily on so many in America, had the same positive effect on white Southern members of Congress?

    Does it denigrate Dr. King to say that President Johnson’s power was absolutely necessary to accomplish the results achieved?

    Wouldn’t a fair comparison be to view the rhetoric and appeal to conscience in the American Civil War provided by Frederick Douglass and the abolitionists joined with the political power of President Abraham Lincoln that resulted in saving the Union and the emancipation of the slaves?

    The Times’ attack on Hillary for comparing herself to Mr. Johnson, “who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster,” is also baseless.

    The thrust of those remarks was intended to denigrate President Johnson and dismiss him solely on the Vietnam War. Would the Times make the same snide comment of President John F. Kennedy? He, after all, preceded Johnson in putting American troops in Vietnam. I doubt it.

    Did Hillary compare herself with Johnson, who in the judgment of most Americans was a very good president on a whole host of domestic issues? She did not.

    What she did was to point out that political power is needed in the final crunch in getting legislation enacted in Washington. Who can gainsay that? Only The New York Times.

    In sum, Hillary’s statements appear to have been deliberately misconstrued by her critics in order to stir up racial tensions.

    To make matters worse, two prominent black leaders, Rep. James E. Clyburn, the leading black official in the Congress, and Donna Brazile, the political commentator, attacked former President Bill Clinton, who, commenting on Barack Obama’s explanation of why he is more against the war in Iraq than Hillary, referred to Barack’s statement as a “fairy tale” being spun by Obama and his supporters.

    Factually true or not, there is nothing racial in Bill Clinton’s comment. Donna Brazile said on CNN, “And I tell you as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing.” Was that a fair comment on her part?

    Consider that she is attacking as racially insensitive a president viewed by black leadership and many African-Americans as America’s first black president, held in the highest regard by the black community because of his great support for civil rights benefiting the black community and others.

    Haven’t we reached the time in our political life when black and white candidates can be evaluated, praised, and criticized, using comparable terms and with comparable force?

    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  318. You have to click on the comments section. I couldn’t believe my eyes, it was a black square with white writing saying ‘don’t let Hillary steal our hope’ with noose like the ones pictured back in slavery hanging over the word ‘hope’. I’m not able toa ccess the comment section now but this is getting really surreal.

  319. Hello all,

    Seems like the brouhaha that Obama started wasn’t working for him so he’s doing his best to back peddle. I for one hope all this accusations of racism stuff is finally over. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

  320. where is hawk? did he become an obamacrat?

    No, I would say that after working harder for the campaign than just about anyone on this site, he’s probably taking a well-deserved rest and needs some distance from results that were particularly painful in his county.

  321. terrondt:

    Bill O’Reilly and FOXNews has been hammering MSNBC for serving as an Obama shill for about a week now….ever since NBC admitted on air that they were in the tank for Obama.

  322. Hillary’s lovely statement:
    1/14/2008
    Statement of Hillary Rodham Clinton
    “Over this past week, there has been a lot of discussion and back and forth – much of which I know does not reflect what is in our hearts.

    “And at this moment, I believe we must seek common ground.

    “Our party and our nation is bigger than this. Our party has been on the front line of every civil rights movement, women’s rights movement, workers’ rights movement, and other movements for justice in America.

    “We differ on a lot of things. And it is critical to have the right kind of discussion on where we stand. But when it comes to civil rights and our commitment to diversity, when it comes to our heroes – President John F. Kennedy and Dr. King – Senator Obama and I are on the same side.

    “And in that spirit, let’s come together, because I want more than anything else to ensure that our family stays together on the front lines of the struggle to expand rights for all Americans.”

    Me again–I think we can put this to rest.

  323. Look, I think MSNBC should be banned for running any Presidential debates for their part in this mess. It all started with Chris Matthews floating that NH is racist crap and then continuing day after day.

    MSNBC is not playing a independent role and Miska Bresinsky on Morning Joe should not be on the show because she has a strong conflict of interest as her family is heavily involved in Obama campaign.

    Chris Matthew is so pathologically insane against the Clintons that he has no credibility….zero. It’s just unfair and wrong and down right UNAMERICAN!

  324. Paula Says:

    January 14th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
    mj, I meant the part about Rangel sticking up for HRC.

    Yeah, no, he loves her. They are going to make one fierce team on the economy.

  325. You know what? I want this to continue. Let Obama be exposed as the race-baiter that he is. They should focus on that and make that stick. Obama is a wimp! He doesn’t have the courage of his shenanigans!

  326. so what are we going to do with that picture of the noose in hillary clintons name?

    should it be sent to the news outlets?

    this is really out there, and it needs to get a public airing !!!

  327. Obama’s race-baiting worked. Let’s admit that. It’s beginning to blow-back and before it did – Obama pulled the bait, but while it was there – everyone was biting. He should pay more dearly than just returning to the status quo. With the race-baiting, he was able to shift the focus from his flip-flopping, lack of experience and dirty connections with Rezko as well as stop the Clinton momentum. That’s all it ever was and I think he should pay more dearly.

  328. No Obamamania from Michigan GOP Chair

    (Wash Post) – Michigan GOP Chairman Saul Anuzis has a new nickname for Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.): “pet rock.”

    Speaking to a gathering of GOP stalwarts tonight, Anuzis conceded the presidential hopeful was lovable and popular. But that just makes him, in Anuzis’s eyes, “the pet rock of the 2008 campaign.”

    “At the end of the day, we’re going to figure out it’s just a rock,” Anuzis told the crowd, prompting a few laughs. “He’s just another typical liberal senator who wants to be president of the United States.”

  329. Put Politico on Blast…they’re part of the MSNBC, NBC crowd. They’ve been fueling this Hillary bashing and this is just irresponsible!

  330. broke over … dan abrams on msnbc gets it. he is rolling over that bunch of pundits and he says these attacks are unfair and is race baiting. wow….I like his honesty. Will have to send him an email.

  331. I have just emailed ben smith (bsmith@politico.com) with my real name asking him nicely to please remove the sign posted by Hope @7:34.

    Anyone remember the foul advertisment in the Dallas Morning News and the radio ads that greeted John F Kennedy on his arrival in Texas November 22, 1963?

  332. I saw the noose on politico.com when I posted something. When I went back it was gone. How low can you go? But at least it’s gone.

  333. I am in possession of a screen shot of the noose. I posted a copy of the graphic image with surrounding comments in a comments thread at MyDD.

  334. Dan Abrams is one of the few journalists who is not saddled up and riding the Magical Unity Pony into Obamalamalalaland.

  335. I wondered when Dan came back to primetime that he may have given up the job,

    okay, he is mentioning the song by obama

  336. Here is Charlie Rangle’s interview. I believe I got it from http://www.time.com swampland.

    In a candid interview on “Inside City Hall,” Rep. Charles Rangel calls Barack Obama “absolutely stupid” for attacking Hillary Clinton for remarks she made about President Lyndon Johnson and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    “How race got into this thing is because Obama said ‘race,’” Rangel tells Political Anchor Dominic Carter. “But there is nothing that Hillary Clinton has said that baffles me. I would challenge anybody to belittle the contribution that Dr. King has made to the world, to our country, to civil rights, and the Voting Rights Act. But for him to suggest that Dr. King could have signed that act is absolutely stupid. It’s absolutely dumb to infer that Doctor King, alone, passed the legislation and signed it into law.”

    Rangel was responding to remarks Obama made Sunday while campaigning in Las Vegas: “I am baffled by that statement by the Senator. She made an ill-advised statement about Dr. King, suggesting that Lyndon Johnson had more to do with the Civil Rights Act. For them to somehow suggest that we’re interjecting race as a consequence of a statement she made, that we haven’t commented on, is pretty hard to figure out.”

    (Campaigning in New Hampshire last Monday, Clinton said: “Dr. Martin Luther king led a movement. He was gassed. He was beaten, and then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil laws passed. The dream couldn’t be realized until finally it was legally permissible.”)

    Rangel, a prominent Clinton supporter, also spoke about Obama’s admission of past drug use in his memoirs: “I assume that the book was not written for political purposes. It was honest..It was a big mistake for him to have done it [used drugs.] For him to be honest enough to write about it, I guess he thought it might sell books.”

  337. I have been trying to do ‘diaries’ at mydd and kos but can’t get into their sites. Could someone pls put up some diaries somewhere about this Florida “Dem for a Day” site that’s been up since April at an Obama campaign website? People are defending the NV flyers but not mentioning this, which is a clear proven fact and anyone can click on the Google cache (and archive it quick, before the Obama campaign gets it wiped). 🙂

    A kid in NV got caught distributing paper flyers for this idea. Will Obama disavow all knowledge — of this site up since April 24, 2007?

    Quoting from the Google cache “as retrieved on Nov 30, 2007 02:11:00 GMT”
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:MVQ9FvgfVwoJ:www.obamaflorida2008.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php%3Fp2_articleid%3D17+St.+Johns+voters+are+already+re-registering+in+the+%22Democrat+for+a+Day%22+program.&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=opera

    WANNA BECOME AN OBAMACRAT?!!!
    By Obama Florida 2008
    Published: April 24, 2007
    ….
    That’s why “Democrat for a Day” was launched this spring by ObamaFlorida2008. Using the official forms provided by all Supervisors of Elections offices, you may re-register as a Democrat for that one day — when the primary is likely to be held — on February 5, 2008. You must do so before the end of 2007, to make sure it is done 30 days before the primary.

    But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the
    Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.
    ….
    But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.

    In fact, during the first couple of weeks in April, some 150 Republicans indeed became “Democrats for a Day.” You might call them “Obamacrats!”

    Here are tinyurls for the Google cache:

    http://tinyurl.com/24pvlg

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/24pvlg

    “Florida “Democrat for a Day”

    preview link to Florida “Democrat for a Day” project

  338. hillary should try to make the “bring your voice” into a good campaign slogan.

    bringing your voice to white house

  339. caroline.. hannity, irrespective of what rangel was talking about, started saying clintons were racist and stuff. rangel said hannity is not focusing on issues and should do it instead of tearing democrats apart 🙂

  340. abrams gave the song the loser medal.

    this story has legs….somebody other than the campaign needs to get on it.

  341. BMerry if you are out there…here is the Rezko land description I promised you this morning…

    “I’ve seen the house and the property. The Rezko Strip is very narrow compared to the other homes and lots, and Obama’s street, I have so say it, is a Mansion Row.

    And if Obama becomes president, I can’t see the Secret Service allowing the land to be developed. The only structure that makes sense to me is a townhome strip facing south–and the backdoors of each home would be quite close to Obama’s house.”

    marathonpundit.blogspot.com/

  342. For Obama to use that song at a campaign event is repulsive. I like some hip hop too but that song is not appropriate for a campaign. When I first read it in the newspaper that he was using it I thought I had read wrong. Bad move by Obama.

  343. Just got a short email back from Ben Smith:

    @ 8:11, four minutes after I emailed him.

    It reads “Ugh. Thanks for noticing. Will get it taken down.”

    I’m going to reply w/ thanks. Anyone want to join in?

    PS remember “Trust, but verify. ” Look before you send a thank you note.

  344. It seems that the race-baiting has stopped. All that has remained is an exercise in finding out who is to blame. From the looks of it, Obama is getting blamed for most of it – as he should.

  345. Pulch

    I’m worried that spreading that image will be negative instead of positive. I asked Ben to take it down and according to Emkay @ 9:21 it was gone, four minutes before you posted it to MyDD.

    Does anyone here think we can do something at MyDD to get them to do what Ben did?

  346. This is an interesting comment, which seems to be part of a larger consensus of the Public on this whole racism shinnanigans:

    “I really like Hillary. I liked Barack a lot before too but he’s been doing some things lately that have been pissing me off. ”

    ^^That is from an online forum dedicated more towards young people.
    Most people were for Hillary or McCain though two were for Barack and cited that he was a good looking black man.

    btw: these are all answers to a question posed on “Who would you vote for in this race?”

  347. ^^ and another comment:

    “I agree. I’m not sold on Hillary really, but I’d take her any day over Obama. I just don’t trust him for some reason. Can’t really explain it.”

  348. because it is situated within the context in which it appeared, i doubt it can be harmful. besides, iconoclasm is never a solution.

  349. moreover, the diary in which the graphic image was posted at mydd will disappear into its archives in twenty minutes. but i do believe a document of the image in the political thread should be available online if these allegations resurface.

  350. Obamacrats Slogan:

    “You can be a Democrat For A Day, JUST LIKE OBAMA!”
    WMCB | 01.14.2008 – 3:58 pm | #

    was this you merry on taylors site?

    its a great line…

  351. I hate Barack Obama. I really do. I think this guy is a lower life form.

    He talks about hope and change, but when he gets desperate, he pulls the race card. He accuses two people who have dedicated their careers to better minorities.

    Can’t the media see that all the race card was pulled out after Hillary’s win in NH? First the Bradley-effect then Jesse Jackson Jr. went on air and said Hillary didn’t cry for Katrina-victims. Then the embellishment of the Clintons’ comments.

    I feel bad for Hillary. She’s being pulled into this and accused of something we know she’s not. And the media is blaming her for it.

    I’m so tired of all this. I try to be upbeat, but every single day, there’s something from Edwards and Obama camp to beat Hillary up. It’s demoralizing when you see two men and the MSM media beating up one person day after day.

    This whole thing can’t end soon emough for me.

  352. At least the Michigan primary forced the media to refocus the discussion. Did anyone hear Granholm’s impassioned plea to the voters to cast their ballots for Hillary?

  353. Obama just proved to everyone that he is just another politician. He let this play out and even fed into it all weekend long before saying Hillary is not a racist. He wanted to see the polls before deciding it was not benefiting him the way he HOPED it would.

  354. yeah filbert its pretty depressing…

    BUT LOOK ON THE BRIGHTSIDE, IF HILLARY WINS, WE CAN ALL DRINK FOR A WEEK, AND AND WATCH THEM SQUIRM…

    WE JUST GOT TO HANG IN THERE, IN ANOTHER MONTH, IT WILL BE WHOEVER….

    THERE’S ALWAYS RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDANT YOU KNOW?
    WHEN THE REZKO TRIAL HAPPENS, IF OBAMA IS STILL AROUND, SOMEONE WILL NEED TO STEP IN.

  355. You know, after Obama won in IA, there was no sexism charges. There was no controversy. Everyone coronated Obama and they nailed Hillary’s coffin.

    Although down, Hillary pulled herself up. Obama got all the unfettered attention. It was his night and his for the rest of the week. No stirring or manufactured controversy coming from the Clinton camp. It was back to work.

    When it was Hillary’s turn, Obama and media manufactured a controversy that would eclipse her NH comeback. They didn’t even give her one night to enjoy her win.

    I hate Obama. I hate Edwards. I hate the MSM and I hate Keith Olbermann, Tweety and MSNBC.

  356. These are the lyrics of the son that Obama is using in campaign events ( warning very graphic and Offensive language follows:

    99 Problems Lyrics
    Artist(Band):Jay-Z
    Review The Song (48) Print the Lyrics
    If you’re havin’ girl problems i feel bad for you son
    I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one

    [Verse One]
    I got the rap patrol on the gat patrol
    Foes that wanna make sure my casket’s closed
    Rap critics they say he’s “Money Cash Hoes”
    I’m from the hood stupid, what type of facts are those
    If you grew up with holes in ya zapatos
    You’d be celebrating the minute you was havin’ dough
    I’m like fuck critics you can kiss my whole asshole
    If you don’t like my lyrics you can press fast forward
    I got beef with radio if i don’t play they show
    They don’t play my hits i don’t give a shit SO
    Rap mags try and use my black ass
    So advertisers can give ’em more cash for ads, fuckers
    I don’t know what you take me as,
    Or understand the intelligence that Jay-Z has
    I’m from rags to ritches niggas I ain’t dumb
    I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one
    Hit me

    [Chorus]
    99 problems but the bitch aint one
    If you’re havin’ girl problems i feel bad for you son
    I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one
    Hit me

    [Verse Two]
    The year’s ’94 and my trunk is raw
    In my rear view mirror is the mother fuckin’ law
    I got two choices y’all pull over the car or (hmmm)
    Bounce on the double put the pedal to the floor
    Now I ain’t tryin’ to see no highway chase with Jay.
    Plus i got a few dollars i can fight the case
    So I…pull over to the side of the road
    I heard “Son do you know why I’m stoppin’ you for?”
    Cause I’m young and I’m black and my hats real low?
    Do I look like a mind reader sir, I don’t know
    Am I under arrest or should I gas em up?
    “Well you was doin fifty-five in a fifty-fo’ ”
    “Liscense and registration and step out of the car”
    “Are you carryin’ a weapon on you I know a lot of you are”
    I ain’t steppin out of shit all my paper’s legit
    “Well, do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?”
    Well my glove compartment is locked so are the trunk in the back
    And I know my rights so you gon’ need a warrant for that
    “Aren’t you sharp as a tack, you some type of lawyer or something’?”
    “Or somebody important or somethin’?”
    Nah, I ain’t pass the bar but i know a little bit
    Enough that you won’t illegally search my shit
    “We’ll see how smart you are when the K9 come”
    I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one
    Hit me

    [Chorus]
    99 Problems but a bitch ain’t one
    if you havin girl problems
    i feel bad for you son
    I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one hit me

    99 Problems but a bitch ain’t one
    if you havin girl problems
    i feel bad for you son
    I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one
    Hit me

    [Verse Three]
    Now once upon a time not too long ago
    A nigga like myself had to strong arm a hoe
    This is not a hoe in the sense of havin a pussy
    But a pussy havin no God Damn sense, try and push me
    I tried to ignore him and talk to the Lord
    Pray for him, cause some fools just love to perform
    You know the type loud as a motor bike
    But wouldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight
    The only thing that’s gonna happen is I’ma get to clappin
    He and his boys gon be yappin to the captain
    And there I go trapped in the kit kat again
    Back through the system with the riff raff again
    Fiends on the floor scratchin again
    Paparatzi’s with they cameras snappin them
    D.A. tried to give the nigga shaft again
    Half-a-mil for bail cause I’m African
    All because this fool was harrasin’ them
    Tryin to play the boy like hes saccarin
    But ain’t nothin sweet ’bout how I hold my gun
    I got 99 problems being a bitch ain’t one.
    Hit me

    [Chorus X3]

    You’re crazy for this one Rick
    It’s your boy

  357. “I’m so tired of all this. I try to be upbeat, but every single day, there’s something from Edwards and Obama camp to beat Hillary up. It’s demoralizing when you see two men and the MSM media beating up one person day after day.”

    And that’s why Hillary is the best candidate. Can you imagine this? Had it been any other candidate, they would have given up. But Hillary is in it because she knows she can do better in changing the lives of Americans and when THAT is your motivation – the malicious criticism just bounces right off you. For a person like Obama or Edwards who are just full of themselves – it’s all about ego. Had they experienced even one-fifth of what Hillary is going through, they would have gone home to Mama! Hillary is a survivor and she fights for her principles.

  358. Why did this controversy occur? Was it a result of the NH win? Was it a result of ABC’s coverage of REzko? Was it a result of Hillary’s economic stimulus plan? What are everyone’s thoughts?

  359. A big Mollyj hooray for Dan Abrams for emphasizin’ the importance of context…yes, you heard the word, context, when deriving the meaning of a person’s words, as in using a quotation. Thank you sir for showing the entire Bill Clinton quote (now I remember, it was YOU, and I’d been creditin’ those CNN folks) which demonstrated the meaning of the phrase “fairy tale.” I don’t know if people realize just how important that was to have that verified that from the actual videotape. Thank you!

  360. I know some believe this was Obama’s attempt to solidify a lead in SC. What are your opinions? I am sincerely interested in everyone’s understanding of the true significance of the tone of the campaign during the past week.

  361. okay that clip from clyburn was just repulsive, he said he spoke to the clintons and they were both REMORSEFUL… BULLSHIT!

    and ofcourse he kept saying this election was about change.
    he was campaigning for ob…

  362. I hear what you all are saying.

    at the same time, don’t lose sight of the race ahead.

    What do we do when the empty-suits bash our candidate and lie with a straight face?

    We take them to town. We take them to the ground. We mobilize. We get active.

    We as Hillary supporters can make a difference. We selected the best candidate in this race, let’s show her we will never let her down and never let lies sway the minds of the American people who deserve a woman as wonderful as Hillary.

    From now on, double your efforts! triple the phone calling! Tell anyone and everyone you can about Hillary’s long record and history of working for POSITIVE change.

    While you’re doing that, throw in Obambi’s “present” votes, his multiple conflicting stands on Iraq, and his deceptions.

    We cannot change everyone’s mind, but we can do it one at a time, day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute.

    Hillary fans, be like Hillary! She came back from a 12 pt deficit in New Hampshire. Now, when she needs us the most, we can surely propell her to the top, as she belongs!

  363. pulchritude, I tell you.

    After Hillary won NH, Obama camp knew that SC is a do or die for him. Since 50% of Democratic electorate in SC are black, and the Clintons are pretty popular amongst AA, the Obama camp knew that by playing the race card, they can turn some of these AA-Clinton supporters by planting the seeds that the Clintons are racists.

    I believe all of this was planned on the night of the NH win. They know that they would anger some people, but if they can get enough AA voters angry with the Clintons, their chances of taking SC would improve.

    We’ll soon find out…

  364. Anduril919: Pfffffffffffffffft!!! Obama or Edwards would have had a meltdown and be in the corner sucking their thumbs and whimpering by now, if they had had to face HALF of the sheer hatred Hillary has faced for 15 years.

    I am in awe of this woman. She is STRONG.

  365. “Why did this controversy occur? Was it a result of the NH win? Was it a result of ABC’s coverage of REzko? Was it a result of Hillary’s economic stimulus plan? What are everyone’s thoughts?”

    I think it’s all of the above. I think that the Obama campaign was relying on the momentum from Iowa to pull them through in New Hampshire. And with these two wins they were expecting a tidal wave that will carry them through the early states and Super Tuesday.

    But because of Hillary’s win, the momentum was gone. Hillary seized back the momentum and Obama was in danger of loosing it all if he loses SC. Add Rezko and the economic stimulus plan, it would have been impossible for Obama to push back against the Hillary momentum.

    I think it was all about momentum.

  366. In other news and observations it is great to see Hillary’s commercial for NV for alternative energy sources. She gave a terrific speech on the economy the other day when she rolled out her economic stimulus package. She spent quite a bit of time talkin’ about green collar jobs. Is this the first time she’s used that phrase? It was very effective. And her question and answer session was great.

  367. pulchritude

    The Obama camp knew that his hope & change mantra was wearing thin and the media were begining to ask serious questions about exactly what plans he had and how he planned on accomplishing them. They needed to get the focus off him for a few days to regroup and come out with a stimulus package of their own.

  368. ADMIN,

    CAN YOU GET THAT F*KING SONG OFF HERE…

    I AM PERSONALLY PISSED OFF AS A WOMAN TO READ THOSE WORDS,
    THE REASON I DONT GO SOMEPLACES ON THE BLOGS, IS BECAUSE, ITS ALL ABOUT THAT CRAP AGAINST WOMEN…

  369. Yes, filbert and rickya, I agree. And this explains why the Bradley effect surfaced on the night of the NH primary. In fact, this ignited the discussion by creating the discursive horizon against which all subsequent statements by the Clintons would be silhouetted.

  370. SKm12 because the media is claiming that Obama has played this song at some of his campaign events. If true it is very disturbing.

  371. filbertsf — *Hugs* That’s the MSM game. Even those who aren’t hillary-haters always go for soem new controversy. “Good news doesn’t sell newspapers.”

    Just don’t follow their narrative. Don’t watch them at all. Anything worthwhile will be mentioned here or a Taylor’s or by some other good people.

  372. this is from a while ago…but:

    US pop superstar Janet Jackson hopes Hillary Clinton will become the first woman president of the United States.
    “Hillary Clinton as president — that would be great,” Jackson said in an interview with German press agency DPA Monday. “Then she could show all those people who wouldn’t trust a woman with such a job.”

  373. “But that was a very astute political move from Obama. This plays to his “obama as uniter” meme.”

    Astute? His ‘uniter’ meme has been exposed as a fraud. After losing NH, the ‘uniter’ turned this into the ugliest primary I’ve ever seen — on either side. Call him out on Iraq? That’s racism. Ask him to back up his speeches with action? That’s racism. Demand that he be vetted? That’s racism. I saw 2 elections between David Dinkins and Rudy Giuliani in NYC — and it didn’t get nearly as ugly as this.

    The Clintons will let it go, but the Republicans will not. I hope we do have a black President one day — but thanks to his performance this week, it won’t happen until no one in this country remembers Obama.

  374. Kucinich Should Be Allowed to Debate, Judge Rules…This should be interesting…does Kucinich have any delegate?

  375. i’d leave off the jay-z song, anyone can look up the lyrics. and i hate going down the road of vilifying artists (even if they are saying things that aren’t positive), it was inappropriate for a campaign event (if he used it at one, and again maybe it was just something private? and probably some young person on staff trying to be cool is all.)

    but.. again i don’t see the good of making a big thing of it. if no other reason jayz is a super popular artist and it would really turn off younger voters, better to let it go by. (he didn’t even write the chorus it’s referencing another song.) i would also say, this was a very very popular song all over mtv and the radio, sometimes you hear something enough times and don’t think about what it’s really about. it looks like refighting culture wars of the late 80s and 90s to me, to push this as a line of attack. just saying.

  376. Hillary on the Tyra Banks show:

    Taking this whole reconciliation thing too far?

    Hillary does Tyra, touching on the King flap and, poignantly, on the isolation of the White House.

    And this:

    TYRA: . . . If you were a contestant on a reality show, would you rather be on Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, or America’s Next Top Model?

    SENATOR CLINTON: In my dreams I would be on America’s Next Top Model but in reality I would have to chose my limited talents and of them dancing is better than singing. You do not want me to sing.

    TYRA: What type of dancing do you do? Do you do hip-hop? Can you do the Soulja Boy or the Spongebob dance?

    SENATOR CLINTON: I have heard of those . . . I think that is a variation of what I did like 30, 40 years ago.

    TYRA: My mother says the same thing.

    SENATOR CLINTON: Everything gets recycled and gets a different name and slightly the hip action or shoulder action, whatever it is. I think it would have to be Dancing with the Stars, especially if I could have one of those really good partners.

    Full transcript after the jump. The show airs Friday.

    GETTING EMOTIONAL BEFORE THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY
    TYRA: Senator Clinton got a lot of attention recently when she showed her vulnerable side in New Hampshire. That has been everywhere. Everybody is talking about it and when I was watching you I was like I have been there. How many women here have been there when it is just like, the pressure gets so much and you just break? I’m curious to know when you went home, what did you think about that? Did you feel weak?

    SENATOR CLINTON: No, because what happened, was so touching to me. This woman said, “Well, how do you get up in the morning?” It just struck me, how do any of us get up in the morning? How do we keep it together, how do we do what we have to do, and there was such a moment where it wasn’t sort of me on one side of the table running for office and everybody else out there. It was us together. It really did make me emotional because that is when I think we are at our best as a country; when we really are honest and real . . . I’m running for President because it really means a lot to me that we give kids the same chance that we had. I don’t want that to begin to clear out, and I think that is happening.

    I think so many people are feeling really kind of under the gun — I’m just not making the progress; the health care is so expensive, the energy costs are so expensive, the jobs are not there, the income is not there. That is not the way we work the best so I want to try and make the difference for people.

    TYRA: What about you? Do you ever get lonely? Do you ever sit in you room by yourself sometimes and just feel alone?

    SENATOR CLINTON: I don’t feel lonely but I do feel sometimes isolated. Because when you are in these positions that I have been in, it can be very isolating. It is one of the reasons I put on the dark glasses and the baseball cap and go out of the White House.

    President Harry Truman once said that the White House was like the crown jewel of the American penal system because you can feel confined.

  377. Have you guys seen this video answer to the Obama girl? OMG, TOO FUNNY!

    youtube.com/watch?v=jLSWudoqtWE

  378. okay team hillary,

    this is totally off subject here,

    has anyone noticed how bill looks at hillary these days?
    SERIOUSLY,
    he stares at her with a, i dont know, loving and longing look…
    no shit, trust me, when i notice things like this, you can take it to the bank! seriously.

    and when you see them he often has his hand at the small of her back, and he is leaning into her. also they seem to be laughing alot together..

    I SAY THEY ARE HAVING A MOMENT…

  379. btw, Janet Jackson endorses Hillary lol.yipppeee..now will see if jermaine dupri will alongside there friendship with Mariah..will endorse.janet and MC wannmake a duet sometime in the future…JD has been trying to push it…

    let’s have janet do some dancin for her!
    Oh wait a second here we have mariah yet,even though she made that damn jayz a star back in the 9o’s and usher and all of em..

    madonna lives out of the country..she is from michigan though.if im not mistaken i think she was a republican..to far back to the 80’s

  380. Press Release
    Fact Sheet: Sen. Obama’s 129 Present Votes

    Today, Sen. Obama’s campaign held a conference call to defend his record of voting present on choice issues. But the Obama campaign failed to address the fact that Sen. Obama voted present 129 times on a wide array of issues, including choice, privacy for victims of sexual assault, and school violence. In fact, the Obama campaign claimed that Sen. Obama’s present votes were part of a legislative strategy but failed to mention that Sen. Obama was the lone present vote on a number of key issues.

    Sen. Obama’s Present Votes By The Numbers

    Sen. Obama voted ‘present’ 129 times while in the State Senate. [New York Times, 12/20/07]

    In 1999, Sen. Obama voted ‘present’ more often than he voted ‘no’: According to state records, Obama voted ‘present’ 43 times in 1999, while voting ‘no’ just 29 times. [ilga.gov]

    At least 36 times, Sen. Obama was either the only State Senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way. [New York Times, 12/20/07]

    Other Present Votes of Interest:

    Sen. Obama was the only State Senator to vote ‘present’ on a bill that sought to protect the privacy of sex-abuse victims, and the only state senator to not support the bill. [HB854, Passed 58-0-1, 05/11/99]

    Sen. Obama was the only State Senator to vote ‘present’ on an adoption bill that imposed stricter requirements for parental fitness, and the only State Senator to not support the bill. [HB1298, Passed 57-0-1, 5/6/1999]

    Sen. Obama voted ‘present’ on a bill that would increase penalties for the use of a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. The bill called for the mandatory adult persecution of a minor at least 15 years of age being tried for using a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. [SB759, Passed 52-1-5, 3/25/1999]

    Sen. Obama voted ‘present’ on a bill to prohibit the presence of adult sex shops near schools, places of worship, and day care facilities; bill allows local governments to regulate the presence of adult sex shops. [SB609, Passed 33-15-5, 3/29/2001]

    Illinois Now on Obama’s Present Votes On Choice:

    During Sen. Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign, the Illinois NOW PAC did not recommend the endorsement of Obama for U.S. Senate because he refused to stand up for a woman’s right to choose and repeatedly voted ‘present’ on important legislation.

    As a State Senator, Barack Obama voted ‘present’ on seven abortion bills, including a ban on ‘partial birth abortion,’ two parental notification laws and three ‘born alive’ bills. In each case, the right vote was clear, but Sen. Obama chose political cover over standing and fighting for his convictions.

    “When we needed someone to take a stand, Sen. Obama took a pass,” said Grabenhofer. “He wasn’t there for us then and we don’t expect

  381. skm, I think that as Bill gets older, he realizes what a damn fine woman he has, and how LUCKY his ass is that she stayed with him. I think it has humbled him some.

  382. I’m so proud to be a Hillary Clinton supporter. There has not been a day that has gone by that I have not felt this way. When I see Hillary Clinton go out day by day working and not being defeated but focus on getting out her message to the American people.

    This was a tough week but I’am so proud how Bill and Hillary Clinton handle it.

    I have no doubt Hillary would make an excellent president.

    Now could you see Rudy, Mitch handling the pressure as well as Hillary has?

  383. Bill O’Reilly was very fair. He basically, strongly called out Russert for not posting the entire quote. He clearly stated that NBC is invested in Obambi and something deeper was going on. This isn’t good for the country when a major MSM is sooo bias.

    Tomorrow is another day. I expect Hillary to do well at the debate. This is a forum where she excels. I just hope that she can find the strength to continue to be upbeat. This is to be emotionally and physically draining for her. I just don’t trust timmy, he has shown a penchant to want to play ‘gotcha’ with Hillary. I don’t want to see any more ‘guess who said that’ to Hillary trying to trip her up on what Bill said. I like how they have deployed as a family. chelsea in Cali, Bill in LV and Hill in NY. Hopefully all 3 will be able to work in LV, NV and pull out a win. This would neutralize a win by Obambi in SC. BTW, Edwards is a spoiler. His votes seem to be migrating to Hillary so he seems to be doing this to help Obambi.

  384. I think that Bill feels a lot admiration and love for Hillary. He’s also extremely proud of her. Every time she has achieved something politically he has cried. He cried when she won her senate seat and he cried when she won NH. It’s very touching to see. They always seem to have a good time when their together. And I notice that Hillary always seems more alive when he’s with her. She seems to glow when he’s near her. 🙂 Their quite adorable together.

  385. carbynew Wrote:

    “January 14th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
    Kucinich Should Be Allowed to Debate, Judge Rules…This should be interesting…does Kucinich have any delegate?”

    Yes, but unfortunately they will be out of the solar system by the time the convention rolls around.

  386. skmf12, did you see this video of Bill getting all teary after Hillary’s NH win? I think you are on to something…

    video.aol.com/video-detail/bill-clinton-shows-sappy-side/4087374526

  387. Pulch

    So much for quick archiving…the damm thing is still right where you put it, I saw it less than 2 min ago.

  388. american,

    oh how sweet, did you see the bodygaurd behind wiping his eyes?
    yeah, i think its a good time for them, in more ways than one…

  389. At http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/calling-all-ind.html RE “Democrat for a Day” Tapper has an update about the Clinton campaign responding to the Nevada flyer but they obviously didn’t know about the Florida website, which has been up for months. Reporters brushed them off about the paper flyers. Can someone who knows them tell them about the website before the Obama people catch on and wipe it? They were “former Nevada Attorney General Frankie Sue Del Papa — Clinton’s Northern Nevada campaign co-chair — and Nevada Hispanic Leadership Council Member and former Chair of the Nevada Democratic Party Adriana Martinez.”

    Again the Google cache of the website is at
    http://tinyurl.com/24pvlg
    or
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/24pvlg

  390. What a lovely post, carbynew. She makes me proud and I want to do everything I can for her for many reasons including the fact that she does everything for us. She doesn’t back down when she is attacked and she won’t back down when we need her either. She is strength, action and integrity personified. Our support for her is solid as is hers for us. I really feel as if we are all part of a very special team.

  391. OK everyone. Did you see Charlie Rose tonight? South Carolina state representative Fletcher N. Smith Jr. was a guest. He really went to bat for the Clintons and did not let anyone distort Sen. Clinton’s record of fighting for civil rights. Moreover, he also said that he is leaning toward endorsing Clinton and that he feels that we really need a woman candidate. Moreover, he discussed his thoughts on why he would like to see a female president in depth and discussed what that would mean. I encourage all of you, especially those of you that are SC residents, to email Rep. Fletcher and tell him: 1.) thank you for substatively standing up for Hillary; or 2.) telling truth and helping to calm inaccuracies; or 3.) standing up for women; and 4.) suggest that he formally endorse HRC.

    His email address is:

    FNS@schouse.org

    FNS *at* schouse.org

  392. hillary loves him so much,you can see it in her eyes,she is such a caring woman,and scary smart,I have no worries with her being President,i wanna sleep at night,knowing her from way back when,her
    Intelligence and smartness will be the right decision,
    the other bo and je i haven’t seen that in them,that personal touch,its all the hollering from je,and all this
    preaching stuff,that doesnt make me feel safe..not at all,and with bill around,at her side,I am very comfortable,they know there stuff 2 political minds,and Hillary running the country puts me at ease,in times of difficult situations.She’ll solve the problems not someone who is jumping around pointing figers,or one with no substance.

  393. laken4 your right Hillary is so strong,she takes the hits ,i do not think it is wrong that she fights back,
    juat a credible person to run this country and a woman at that.I dont see anything to impressive from the last 7 years to have a man running this country.Bill was the best ..I like to see the Country debt free,and all people have jobs,When i think of Economy from the canidiates i think Hillary…I dont want to live on a street corner,thats alott of what people are saying…she will fix it…Her trust of hardwork 35 years ,but thinking 14 years of age and going to MLK speech, she was already at politics in her mind…..

  394. AmericanGal

    Thank you so much for the teary-eyed post. Somehow it led me to ABC and there was a large chunk of Hill’s NH win speech. I love watching that and it brings me back to positive in a snap.

    And tonite I needed that infusion.

    Thanx again.

  395. New Oklahoma poll…for what it’s worth

    Taken 1/11-1/13

    OKLAHOMA DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY — Clinton 20 Points Atop Edwards, Obama in 3rd: In a Democratic Primary in Oklahoma today, 01/14/08, three weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton is 1st at 45%, John Edwards is 2nd at 25% and Barack Obama finishes 3rd at 19%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for KFOR-TV Oklahoma City. Men and women see the contest in stark contrast. Among men, Edwards leads Clinton by 6 and leads Obama by 12. Among women, Clinton leads the two men by 40 points. Edwards also leads among Conservatives. 37% of Democrats say they might change their mind between now and the 02/05/08 Primary. Among the rest, who say their mind is made-up, Clinton polls at 53%.

  396. Good article about Chelsea answering questions about her mom at Stanford.

    Chelsea campaigns at Farm
    Q&A targets college female demographic

    daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/1/14/chelseaCampaignsAtFarm

  397. well today was the original date for the IA caucus. Glad it was last week with 30 degree weather.

    Tonight is a don’t dare put your tongue on the pump handle night…had wet hands and made the mistake of opening my (metal) back storm door…oopsie!

  398. I think we’ll be seeing a lot of that noose graphic — saw it on dailykos this evening in comments. Here is the, or one of the, source(s).

    s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/nomoreclintons/?action=view&current=stealhope.jpg

    It’s so over the top that normal reasonable people will just recoil, if you ask me.

  399. Canan @ 11:10: spot on as always. You get it, I get it, Charlie Rangel gets it, the Hispanic council woman quoted yesterday gets it.

    Obama is playing the race card. He is takes Hillary’s and Bill’s comments out of context and using them to inflame people. When the damage is done he declares a truce.

    Obama is playing the gender card. When he plays a song about not worrying about the bitch at his Iowa victory speech his motive is clear. If questioned he will apologize. Claim he didnt know.

    Obama is running a protection racket. I have the Italians play this game. It is a cardinal sin in a muti-racial society where so much depends on cooperation and harmony between groups. Any one who thinks this politically astute is a moron.

    If you were ever in doubt about Obama, ever tempted to buy into his stirring cadences of hope and a new kind of politics then these little episodes tell you everything you need to know.

    For me at least the junior senator from Illinois has crossed the Rubicon.

  400. Tapper has an update about the Nevada “Demo for a Day” flier, saying that the NV campaign had a news conference call but no one would take them seriously because it seemed just a very local individual thing. Obviously they didn’t know about the Florida website which has been up for months.

    I’m getting seriously puzzled about Tapper’s site at http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/calling-all-ind.html

    I’ve twice put my info about the Florida Obama campaign website with the same “Demo for a Day” scheme, and twice it’s appeared briefly and then vanished. My first post had url’s so I took them out of my second post: same vanishment. Another post by me on another subject is still there.

    Anyway the people from the campaign trying to get interest in this are former Nevada Attorney General Frankie Sue Del Papa — Clinton’s Northern Nevada campaign co-chair — and Nevada Hispanic Leadership Council Member and former Chair of the Nevada Democratic Party Adriana Martinez. Can anyone pass this on to them?

    http://tinyurl.com/24pvlg

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/24pvlg

  401. Watching Jim Clyburn…he’s the one who owes the Clintons and south carolinians an apology, a true “I’m sorry for my part in this.”

  402. Just figured it out…he (Clyburn) is so scared…worked hard to get this early primary and three debates for SC starting this year. Wanna bet someone threatened the loss of all that for the next time if he didn’t throw water, instead of kindling, on the fire?

  403. wbboei,

    Obama is playing the race card. He is takes Hillary’s and Bill’s comments out of context and using them to inflame people. When the damage is done he declares a truce.

    Unfortunately, you cannot un-ring a bell, and I’m afraid Obama has achieved just what he wanted. He cynically utilized a typical Republican tactic of using a wedge to divide people.

  404. and then follow it up with BRitney Spears going bald psycho in an Obama rally with “HOPE HOPE HOPE” and then eveyrone blacks out 😀

    that would clinch the Hillary nom for sure 😀

  405. Dean, Pelosi and others most probably implored Clyburn to quell the toxic debate that has poisoned the SC primary.

  406. An anonymous operative at MyDD claims a source in the Obama campaign cited a telephone call Dean placed to Obama during the afternoon.

  407. Interesting if Dean called Obama…would that mean he thinks Obama was the source of all the heated rhetoric? or would he have called Hillary as well?

  408. the anonymous operative claimed he does not have access to anyone in the clinton campaign. but again, this is an anonymous poster at a blog who may have no contacts at all.

  409. as a whole, most OBama fans do not like OBambi’s racial stance.

    specially not round here in Obambi’s own Illinoisee
    the crowd has been silent.

    😀

  410. Many Carolinians are not pleased with the tone of the campaign. In fact, many have complained about the chasm that has formed between the party’s major constituencies, and many believe the Obama campaign is responsible.

  411. Here is the question I posted to MSNBC for tomorrow night’s debate (I am sure it won’t be asked by Timmeh):

    Senator Obama,

    It was recently reported that you held a conference call to explain your 130 ‘present’ votes while in the Illinois State Senate, on issues ranging from a woman’s right to choose, privacy for victims of sexual assault, and school violence. You explained that these ‘present’ votes were part of a “legislative strategy.” However, your ‘present’ vote was the lone ‘present’ vote on several key issues. Please advise as to the legislative strategy behind being a lone ‘present’ voter on crucial issues.

  412. I did not submit a question, as I did not want to exacerbate the tensions that already exist between the candidates. But I do believe the candidates should discuss their stances on choice and on civil liberties.

  413. rjk: Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for the clips to Hillary on Ellen!

    I can’t believe that her answer to Ellen’s question about gay marriage has not gotten more press. I’m finally convinced that I don’t have to settle for anything less than the best from a Presidential Candiate. In those few seconds she convinced me of her point of view where the country can, indeed, reach common ground.

    The problem with DOMA has nothing at all to do with marriage at all. The problem with DOMA is that it negates States rights. If a State says that it’s citizens deserve and should be able to be “married” then it is their right to do so. What I heard Hillary say is that she would work to extend Federal Benefits to those citizens who live in states where marriages are recognized.

    When things are being worked out, people and companies will attempt the game the system. The courts will be utilized to iron out the inconsistencies and unconstitutionalities that are inherant to attempts to create systems that are “separate but equal.” I’m okay with that, and I’m proud not to have to compromise the principle because I believe that Hillary understands this. She very wisely does not make promises she can’t keep, and if she keeps this promise, that is enough for me.

    I do not have the same confidence with ANY of the other candidates Democratic or Republican.

  414. Geez, Jon Meacham is such a WUSS.

    On Charlie Rose, he claimed that it was “arguable” as to whether President Clinton was referring to Obama’s campaign to be president OR Obama’s false storyline in regards to the Iraq war, when he used the phrase “fairy tale”.

    NOT if you simply watch the whole statement on video. It is PERFECTLY clear. Of course, Meacham is feebly relying upon the truncated video clips the Media Whores are presenting, as well as the lying out of context distortions from the Obama campaign, instead of actually watching the damn thing himself.

    This is our Fourth Estate ?

  415. It was begining to remind me of the bickering between Gephardt and Dean in 04 allowing Kerry to win Iowa. Watch out, this may just help pretty eddie in NV and SC . We really do not want him around on feb 5, if he gets a proportional amount of delegates he could play the spoiler role at a brokered convention giving him the power to select the nominee.

  416. rjk1957, good point, although that was Iowa. Unlike Iowa, the rest of the country doesn’t have as much of an issue with negative campaigning. (Again this issue just kills me because eddie was the MOST negative and he still got a major turnout).

  417. NYCMax, there was a post up at one time at DailyKindercare about some of Hillary’s friendships with and support of gay legislators and appointees in Washington. It was a very personal story, and if I can find it I will post it.

    One of the things that is very telling for me with Hillary, that comes through clearly in those Ellen clips, is that she is totally at ease with gay or lesbian people. There is no tension – zero.

    And could you see any of the other candidates comfortably posing for this picture?

    http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahill.jpg

  418. Anyone who thinks Kucinich is going anywhere forget it. In 04 he ended up with 3.9% of the total vote out of the primaries and was the only candiadate that did not release his delegates at the convention to vote for Kerry as the nominee. This guy has serious power issues (might be because of his height)

  419. OK

    Parting shot after what I still consider to be an Obama driven racial rift nurtured by most of the paper and televised and radio media:

    “You’re just not likable enough, Barak.”

    Sorry, but after watching Clyburn’s weasel-talk and reading BO’s “I’ve been wounded” press releases and watching the Matthews-Russert-Juan Williams-Norah O’Donnel-Gloria Borger-Andrea Mitchell effort to play the “Let’s you and Him fight” game,

    It all goes back to Barak Obama…he knew exactly what he was doing, what others were doing on his behalf and he hasn’t. just like Clyburn, got the cajones to step forward and say “sorry, shouldn’t have…regret my part in this.”

    So this time, next time, only over my dead body will he ever become POTUS. He’s a snake.

  420. Emjat,

    Actually he is not a snake, just a snake oil salesman like John Edwards.

    Read this article to see how phoney edwards really is:

    groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.kerry/browse_thread/thread/4bc71d2bdb670a47

  421. tongue in cheek – this was my question to MSNBC: “Senator Clinton – if you were elected President, what kind of reform would you place on the media? It seems these days that journalism has lost its credibility – using the magic of editing or taking quotes out of context and not investigating sources, the mainstream media and the blogosphere seem more intent on creating drama than reporting. What would you do as President to bring integrity back to the media?”

  422. just read some past comments:

    I don’t believe Howard Dean “implored” Clyburn. I believe he took him out back and said “look, you stupid idiot…you do whatever you have to do to stop this group murder-suicide or you will NEVER see another out of state democrat above the rank of dog-catcher before the next SC primary, which, by the way, will beMay 13, 2012.”

  423. The campaign should use the video of these two clips of Congressman John Lewis on Lehrer as part of a campaign ad in South Carolina:

    I think there has been a deliberate, systematic, attempt by some people in the Obama camp to really fan the flame of race really try to distort what Senator Clinton said. I understand, and I think most right-thinking people understood what she said.

    President Clinton and Senator Clinton have a long record of bringing people together. Long before President Clinton ever dreamed of running for president, and long before Senator Clinton ever dreamed of running for president. They have a history, a very long history, and no right-thinking informed American would ever believe that President Clinton or Mrs. Clinton would do anything to use the race card.

    Powerful video from a legendary man.

  424. Those are good clips from John Lewis (I saw him at a Matthew Shepard foundation event; he was amazing)…Obama might’ve knowingly dodged these bullets earlier today by quelling the race issue – because he knew people like John Lewis and other leaders were going to take a stance against him and needed to pre-empt it. Plus, that mysterious call from Howard Dean, if true – would be nice if there were a bigger deal made out of this, because likely it wasn’t Obama who decided to “forcefully speak out” against the race card; it was Howard Dean telling him to STFU.

  425. I haven’t been following the ‘racism’ angle much lately, but aside from being a good distraction from Rezko and issues, I expect it did Obama more harm than good. Quite a few thoughtful people of all races turned against him for not living up to the standards he’d led them to expect of campaigning (starting with JJJr and Hillary/Katrina) or just for making unbelievable accusations against the Clintons (about ‘fairy tale’ etc). I’ve seen people speaking out for the Clintons who might otherwise have kept quiet at this stage.

    New Mexico Lt. Governor Diane Denish Endorses Hillary for President
    1/14/2008
    California NAACP President Alice Huffman Endorses Clinton
    1/14/2008
    U.S. Representative Mike Thompson Endorses Hillary Clinton for President
    1/14/2008

    When people throw personal slanders at the Clintons — it seems to bounce back and bite them real quick.

  426. you claim Dean was aggressive when speaking with Clyburn? why do you assume he was combative when speaking with Clyburn?

  427. I like the consensus being driven at by Hillary and Obama regarding race and civil rights. It has never occurred to me that these two are foes

  428. Obama claims he is not a typical politician yet in an interview John Kerry reveals just how calculating he is.

    The former presidential nominee said his decision to endorse Obama came before Obama’s win in the Iowa caucus. “I thought it was better to wait until the campaign felt there was a reason,” he said of holding off the announcement.

  429. This is sort of interesting. A precinct captain, a certain Buchanan, of Obama’s campaign gets caught trying to get Republicans to caucus for Obama in Nevada. Buchanan has distributed a nasty flyer that reads: You can make the difference if you think a Democrat will win in November and you don’t want Hillary…You can come to the Democratic caucus and vote for Obama.

    When camp Obama gets word of this they support Buchanan. Obama spokesman Bill Burton confirmed that Buchanan is a precinct captain. Says Burton: We’ve learned that one individual who volunteers for the campaign was making the flyer and we’ve instructed him to stop creating and distributing it. But make no mistake, we want as many independents and Republicans to become Democrats and help to build a new governing majority in this country.

    More including pictures of the nasty flyers at TPM-EC:
    tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/obama_precinct_captains_mailer_urges_republicans_to_switch_parties_and_caucus_against_hillary.php

  430. pulch

    I am ready to cry…just spent about 50 minutes composing your answer and forgot that this is the half-hour that Windows moves in to house-clean whether I want it to or not.

    My post is toast. I’m so sorry.

    I’ll try again tomorrow when i”ve had some sleep.

  431. For all we know, Obama could be a strong supporter of Louis Farrakhan and an organizer of the Million Man March.

    That’s the problem with the complete lack of media vetting. Somebody could ask him.

  432. Finally the press taking the press to task for their crap bias – (Yeah!) Watching rerun of Dan Abrams show taking the media to task for creating a narrative about racism that wasn’t there to begin with – (Yeah!) Jane Hamsher on Huffpost criticizing Matt Bai of NY Times:

    “We’re at the mercy of a narcissistic and irresponsible press. Matt Bai’s blog post in the New York Times being “Exhibit A”:

    No one expects Mrs. Clinton to stand down and let Mr. Obama make his case unchallenged. She could, however, send a clear message to the cogs in the machinery she’s built that there is a line she will not cross…(BLAH, BLAH from Matt Bai)…

    (Jane Hamsher again) By loading all the responsibility onto one candidate, as if the other had no place in it, it just heightens the antagonistic environment and makes the problem worse. Did Bai call for Obama’s national co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. to be fired after he said Hillary Clinton cried over her appearance and didn’t care about the victims of Hurricaine Katrina? Did he even mention that this isn’t a one-way battle? No. He’s smugly content to pour gasoline over an already volatile situation then stand back and watch it burn.

    Myopic journalists like Bai inflame these things to the detriment of the political environment and the Democratic party without any consideration of the cost involved. I realize destroying any kind of coalition that could win against the Republicans next November is an acceptable price for some people, but some of us actually do care what happens to the country going forward.

  433. Looks like Keith Olberman is feeling the heat. He’s posted a defiant defense of himself over at the Orange mess.

    He remains unrepentant and says only that his coverage is “fair and balanced.” (Those are my words not his, I just thought it was ironically funny that his defense of himself sounded as hollow as the Fox slogan.)

  434. Here of, ‘I was for it before I was against it’ dumping on Clinton. I knew it was comming. Whatever happened to the truce. They need to have John Lewis on tv for her. Kerry is disgusting.

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    Kerry Blasts Clinton Camp’s “Negative, Petty” Attacks
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    Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, took aim at Hillary Clinton on Monday, saying her criticism of Barack Obama’s stance on the Iraq war was “not founded on accuracy.” He also ripped into comments made by Clinton surrogates hinting at Obama’s past drug use, calling the remarks “negative in the worst, petty way,” especially in the light of Bill Clinton’s admitted use of marijuana.

    “That kind of discussion,” Kerry said, “from a campaign where the former president made famous the words ‘I did not inhale’ is to make something an issue that they themselves acknowledged shouldn’t be.”

    In an interview with the Huffington Post, the Massachusetts Democrat touted Obama as a unity leader with a deft political touch who could, if elected, lead a “transformational presidency.” But he also warned that should Obama end up the Democratic nominee, he, like Kerry, would face a tidal wave of opposition. Obama has argued that, unlike in 2000 and 2004, he could enter an election without “half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats.”

    “He hasn’t yet had 100 millions of dollars of negative advertising dumped on him,” said Kerry. “So let’s wait and see. But certainly you start out [with support from more than just Democrats] and hopefully the campaign will do well… I do think the Republicans and the Republican attack machine is very adept at branding and framing and we are going to have to be equally adept at taking lessons we’ve learned in the last years.”

    Kerry spent much of the interview taking Clinton to task for her recent, more aggressive criticism of Obama. Asked to respond to Clinton’s contention that Obama has been more rhetoric than substance on Iraq — speaking out against the war before entering the Senate, but voting for funding resolutions while in office — Kerry said the attack was baseless. Yet he would not go so far as to compare it, as Sen. Dick Durbin has, to the “swift-boating” of his Vietnam war record in 2004.

    “If you’re criticisms and/or your attacks are not founded on accuracy, that’s an unfortunate tactic under any circumstance, whatever you call it,” said Kerry. “The fact is Barack Obama – and I know this because I’m the one who invited him to speak at our convention in 2004 and I campaigned with him out in Illinois – was against the war. And in his answer to a question he diplomatically tried to avoid creating a confrontation with John Edwards and John Kerry, the two nominees of the party, when he came to Boston [for the convention]. But he did say in my judgment – this is a quote at that time – that the case was not made.”

    When pressed to discuss how two presidential frontrunners differed on the war since Obama entered the Senate, Kerry did not cite a speech, policy, or vote. Indeed, he acknowledged their virtually identical voting records, but emphasized Obama’s ability to “change the perception of the United States” internationally and “speak with an enormous amount of ability and gravitas.”

    “I think that he essentially — in many ways as you go along the road, the votes we’ve had, they have paralleled each other on the votes,” said Kerry. “But I think Barack has been very clear — I mean they’ve both been clear that they are going to try and end the war in a way that is responsible. There is a great similarity in their articulation since then.”

    “My decision,” Kerry went on, “is based [as much] on the war component as it is on the larger issues as to who has the ability to unite the country around these decisions… I want to emphasize that I think Hillary Clinton is a very talented and capable person. And if she is the nominee I’m going to work my heart out for her. But I think Barack Obama has the best opportunity to be able to unite the country and create, what I would call, a transformational presidency.”

    Since Kerry announced his support for Obama following the Illinois Democrat’s loss to Clinton in the New Hampshire primary, rhetoric between the two candidates has grown increasingly heated. In recent days, debate has centered over comments made by Clinton, her husband Bill, and their surrogates, that were perceived to be racially insensitive. Clinton’s campaign has argued that Obama took the remarks out of context and — pointing to an Obama campaign memo — sought to capitalize on them for political gain.

    Most recently the issue of Obama’s past drug use has resurfaced, with BET founder and Clinton supporter Robert L. Johnson alluding to it during a Sunday campaign stop. Johnson insisted he was referring to Obama’s work as a community organizer. But Kerry was clearly upset with the tone and implication of the remark.

    “I thought that was uncalled for,” said Kerry, not even waiting for the question to be finished. “I thought it was negative in the worst, petty way. I thought it was unfortunate. And if it is done in surrogacy for the campaign itself then it is really wrong… I think [Obama’s] proven record as a public person stands as a significant knock down to whatever youthful transgressions somebody might have had. And who in the world hasn’t had some transgression of some kind?”

    In 2004, Kerry himself admitted having smoked marijuana.

    The former presidential nominee said his decision to endorse Obama came before Obama’s win in the Iowa caucus. “I thought it was better to wait until the campaign felt there was a reason,” he said of holding off the announcement.

  435. When camp Obama gets word of this they support Buchanan. Obama spokesman Bill Burton confirmed that Buchanan is a precinct captain. Says Burton: We’ve learned that one individual who volunteers for the campaign was making the flyer and we’ve instructed him to stop creating and distributing it. But make no mistake, we want as many independents and Republicans to become Democrats and help to build a new governing majority in this country.

    What about the similar flyer at their Florida campaign website since April? Which says:
    http://tinyurl.com/24pvlg
    N OBAMACRAT?!!!
    By Obama Florida 2008
    Published: April 24, 2007
    ….
    That’s why “Democrat for a Day” was launched this spring by ObamaFlorida2008. Using the official forms provided by all Supervisors of Elections offices, you may re-register as a Democrat for that one day — when the primary is likely to be held — on February 5, 2008. You must do so before the end of 2007, to make sure it is done 30 days before the primary.
    But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the
    Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.

    It’s still there (Google cache) but someone please tell the Florida Hillary campaign before it disappears.

  436. msnbc promises fireworks-at our party’s expense tonight-thepage reports race will be central questioning tonight. also candidates will ask each other 2 questions. and 2 hrs? god give me strength. and russert?this suuuuuuuuucks

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