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REZKO For Dummies, Part II

Read Rezko For Dummies before reading Rezko For Dummies, Part II.

In our post A Challenge To Big Media and Big Blogs we dared these peas in a pod to Prove us wrong. Show us where we are wrong in the Obama benefactor and friend, the indicted Antoin “Tony” Rezko, story. No one has come forward to take up the challenge.

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In old Chicago, paper bags filled with money were passed, literally “under the table” to politicians. These days complicated schemes are employed by politicians on the take. Herewith, as lawyers say, is our “theory of the case”. As TV show detective “Monk” says “Here’s what happened”:

Obama had multiple land dealings regarding Rezko. Obama and his supporters answer a question about a particular land deal by bringing up details about a different land deal. This is how they try to kill the REZKO scandal – distract, distort, deflect. But they never answer directly.

I. Obama/REZKO land dealings benefitting REZKO:

Both as part time State Senator and part time lawyer, Obama helped his friend of 17 years, REZKO, obtain tens of millions of dollars in government subsidies. There are many of these land deals.

At the Chicago political machine law firm where Obama worked, Obama helped pump tens of millions of government subsidy monies to the REZKO company called REZMAR. [This video explains some of these Obama/REZKO deals HERE.]

As State Senator, Obama, in his official capacity, also helped pump tens of millions of more dollars to REZKO. [Obama denied doing “favors” for REZKO as a state senator but this video proves that too was an Obama lie HERE]

II. Obama/REZKO land dealings benefitting Obama:

Obama received many contributions from REZKO and even more money from contributions raised by REZKO for all of Obama’s political campaigns (the failed congressional race, the state senate race, the U.S. Senate race). But the biggest personal benefit Obama received from REZKO, that we know of, is the big house Obama lives in today.

Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004. Obama and Michelle owned a condominum at that time but now that Obama was a U.S. Senator they wanted to move to a big house. Obama could not afford the big house he wanted. The house cost $2,305,000. However, in 2005 Obama bought the house he could not afford. Here is how Obama bought a house he could not afford:

Step 1 – Obama talked the doctor selling the house into selling the house and the house’s side yard separately. There would be two separate buyers of the single property – both purchasing the property on the same day.

Step 2 – Obama had previously asked his friend REZKO to buy the side yard of the house. REZKO was doing financially well at this point.

Step 3 – Obama purchased the land with the house on it. REZKO, probably to hide his involvement in this land deal and protect Obama, had his wife Rita purchase the side yard. Both purchases of the single property closed on the same day.

Result – Obama got a $300,000 discount on the much more valuable property on which the house stood. REZKO’s wife, Rita, purchased the side yard for full price. After the deal, Obama paid for mowing of his front lawn as well as REZKO’s yard.

The math is this: Obama gets a $300,000 discount and pays $1,605,000 for his house; REZKO’s wife buys the yard at full price for the undeveloped, less valuable side yard for $625,000. Obama gets a $2,305,000 house for $1,605,000. “Profit” to Obama = $925,000.

III. Obama/REZKO land deal benefitting REZKO:

By 2006 Obama and REZKO had reversed fortunes. Obama was a U.S. Senator peddling books (his latest autobiography chock full of “composite” characters and made up situations). Obama’s wife, Michelle, had fortuitously received all sorts of financial benefits from her new found status as wife of a U.S. Senator – including a promotion and a $316,962 salary from the hospital she worked at. REZKO was in financial difficulty and it was reported that REZKO was about to be indicted.

Obama came to the REZKO rescue. REZKO, Obama’s friend, slumlord and Chicago fixer was in trouble. Money was drying up and Patrick Fitzgerald was on his tail. REZKO needed money. The cash flushed Obama obliged. Obama offered to buy some of the REZKO-owned side yard.

The 10 feet of land Obama decided to purchase from REZKO was appraised at $40,000. Obama paid the financially troubled REZKO $104,500. Shortly thereafter, REZKO was indicted by “Scooter” Libby prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald on charges including Bribes, Kickbacks, and Extortion.

Why Obama rescued REZKO remains a mystery. Why would an up and coming Chicago politician risk his political future for a slumlord about to be indicted remains a question. Obama supporters will no doubt burn incense and declare Obama a great humanitarian and friend. Impartial observers, and prosecutors, might suspect this transaction was “hush money”. “Hush money” talks real loudly in Chicago.

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REZKO For Dummies – Questions and Answers.

[We will take questions from the comments and emails and answer them throughout the day.]

Question: What is a REZKO? “Rezko” refers to Antoin “Tony” Rezko. Rezko is an Obama friend of 17 years, a slumlord, and an indicted Chicago “Fixer“. The New York Times described Rezko this way: “Antoin Rezko, an entrepreneur of considerable charm who found riches in fast food and real estate, is known around Chicago as a collector of politicians.” “Mr. Obama has portrayed Mr. Rezko as a one-time fund-raiser whom he had occasionally seen socially. But interviews with more than a dozen political and business associates suggest that the two men were closer than the senator has indicated.”

Question: Isn’t this an “old” story? Most reporters and Democrats are unaware of the Rezko Obama wheeling and dealing. ABC News certainly does not think this is an old story. The Rezko trial for Bribes, Kickbacks and Extortion begins on February 25, 2008. The unvetted Obama is running for president in 2008. There has been zero investigation of this story. Obama has repeatedly been caught not telling the truth about his transactions with Rezko. Republicans are aware of Rezko and will use this story against Obama if he ever became the Democratic nominee. [Check out what right-wingers Tucker Carlson and Andrew Ferguson have to say about the Obama/Rezko house deal.]

Question: Does this story really matter? This story goes right to the question of Obama’s experience and judgment. Obama’s Chicago constituents were abandoned by Obama in unheated tenements while Obama relaxed in his big heated house counting the money slumlord Rezko donated to Obama. Rezko did not have money to pay for heating oil for his tenements but he did have money to donate to Obama. Obama represented his small state senate district badly. At best Obama can say he was incompetent and did not know African-Americans in his district were living in “buildings riddled with problems — including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers.”

Question: Who says the Obama house and the Rezko purchased yard were once part of the same property AND that both were purchased on the same day? In the words of the Chicago Tribune, “The same day the Obamas closed on the house, the Rezkos closed on the purchase of the adjoining vacant lot, which once was the estate’s lush side yard.”

Question: Any proof that Obama did “favors” for Rezko while Obama was a state senator? The Chicago Tribune: “On June 13, the Chicago Sun-Times reported that as a state senator, Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting Rezko’s successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens. The Sun-Times said the deal included $855,000 in development fees for Rezko and his partner, Allison S. Davis, Obama’s former boss, according to records from the project, which was four blocks outside Obama’s state Senate district.

Question: Is there more to come on this Rezko story? Stay tuned to the Rezko trial. As reported immediately above, Allison S. Davis, Obama’s former boss at the politically connected Chicago law firm was an investor in some of Rezko’s deals. Michelle Obama and the medical community in Chicago continue to swirl around this story. As trial approaches Rezko might decide to try to get a deal. Usually, prosecutors will only work a deal if someone else is “offered up”.

Question: What about Hillary – what about Whitewater? Hillary has been fully vetted. The Clintons lost $50,000 in the media trumped up land deal known as Whitewater. Every single little thing that the Republicans can throw at Hillary during an election has already been thrown at her to no avail. Few people know about Rezko. Few reporters know the full Rezko/Obama story. With a Rezko trial starting on February 25, 2008 the Rezko tales will finally be told. At the very first glance it looks like Obama made a $925,000 “profit” on the purchase of his house. Clinton’s lost $50,000; Obama gained $925,000.

Question: Maybe Obama didn’t know what he was doing – Is Obama a real estate lawyer? Obama was a real estate lawyer. Obama tried to hide that fact but the Sun-Times exposed the truth:

Davis said he didn’t remember Obama working on the Rezmar projects. “I don’t recall Barack having any involvement in real estate transactions,” Davis said. “Barack was a litigator. His area of focus was litigation, class-action suits.”

But Obama did legal work on real estate deals while at Davis’ firm, according to biographical information he submitted to the Sun-Times in 1998. Obama specialized “in civil rights litigation, real estate financing, acquisition, construction and/or redevelopment of low-and moderate income housing,” according to his “biographical sketch.” And he did legal work on Rezko’s deals, according to an e-mail his presidential campaign staff sent the Sun-Times on Feb. 16, in response to earlier inquiries. The staff didn’t specify which Rezmar projects Obama worked on, or his role. But it drew a distinction between working for Rezko and working on projects involving his company.”

Also, Lynn Sweet, of the Chicago Sun-Times caught Obama in another discrepancy between what Obama is currently saying and his record. “Well said, except that this was not the first time Obama went through the process of buying a residence. Obama and his wife bought a condominium in Hyde Park before purchasing their mansion in Kenwood. Perhaps Obama was making a distinction between buying a condo and a stand-alone home. But Obama was not the first-time residential purchaser he portrayed in the interview.”

Michelle Obama served for 7 years on the Landmark Commission (1998-2005). Michelle Obama used those Landmark Commission contacts to navigate through Chicago law when the Obamas decided to build a fence for, as Lynn Sweet calls it, their Kenwood mansion.

Question: Did Obama know Rezko was about to be indicted when he made the last of the Obama/Rezko real estate deals? Obama changes his story with regularity. ABC News appears to have the evidence that Obama knew or should have known.

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We’ll have more Questions and Answers in our REZKO For Dummies series. We might even discuss the Chicago Suicide. Send in your questions.

691 comments to REZKO For Dummies, Part II

  • by Tom Fitton
    Barack Obama’s Whitewater?
    January 09, 2007 01:00 PM EST

    First, Obama’s dealings with Rezko reveal a politician oblivious to the expectations of at least the appearance of integrity for those in public office. At the time Obama entered into his dubious land deal, it was widely known that Rezko was the subject of a federal investigation for allegedly trying to collect nearly $6 million in kickbacks from government deals. Obama and Rezko have been “friends” since 1990. Obama knew about Rezko’s shady reputation and ought to have avoided the appearance of impropriety.

    Second, Obama’s dealings with Rezko suggest, at least, that Obama might be the kind of politician willing to peddle his influence. The Chicago Tribune reported that Obama purchased his land for $300,000 less than the asking price, while Rezko’s wife paid full price for the adjoining lot from the same owner. Did Mrs. Rezko partially subsidize the purchase of Obama’s new home? And what of the subsequent sale of a section of the Rezko property to Obama shortly thereafter?

    Read the entire article:

    http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/21828.html

    Second, Obama’s dealings with Rezko suggest, at least, that Obama might be the kind of politician willing to peddle his influence. The Chicago Tribune reported that Obama purchased his land for $300,000 less than the asking price, while Rezko’s wife paid full price for the adjoining lot from the same owner. Did Mrs. Rezko partially subsidize the purchase of Obama’s new home? And what of the subsequent sale of a section of the Rezko property to Obama shortly thereafter?

  • lninla

    good article tracing Obama’s involvement with Rezko, but note the author is from Judicial Watch.

  • I wish someone would ask him during the debate about his stock dealings and getting behind legislation that ultimatley benifited him personally. Let Mr Ethical explain that without stuttering in front of millions of viewers.

  • skmf12

    i hate what the obamiacs say: we are taking back america…
    or what barack says:
    YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE AMERICA…

    I WISH SOMEONE WOULD F*CKING CALL HIM ON THIS…

    CAUSE NO ONE IS DOING SHIT WITH AMERICA, CERTAINLY NO ONE WHO ISNT A POLITICIAN WORKING IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

    UNLESS OBAMA IS DRAGGING A FEW THOUSAND INTO THE WHITE HOUSE OR TO TAKE CONGRESS HOSTAGE, THEY AIN’T DOIN SHIT!

    someone needs to tell these people they wont see this guy ever again once he gets into the white house, he will have every political operative set him straight on what he can and can’t do, and they wont have crap to say about it!

    what part of ‘get real’ dont these nuts not understand…
    there wont be any ‘WE’ once he passes that door, so they better get that fantasy out of their brain right now…

    and whats with that woman govenor of arizona endorsing obam? she says she has never met him, but they have called her twice, and she says she loved the way he speaks, and he is so persuasive, how could she say no. she says with his inspiring movement, she doesnt think hillary clinton can possibly win…

    CAN YOU SAY DUMB F*CK?
    and now they are saying strong women democrats are now backing obama…
    they are trying to also say in the blogs, that this is good cause the american indians, have been treated worse than anyone, and obama can offer them equality for the first time…
    not lying, on obamas web site…

    what is hills relationship with the tribes, anyone know?
    i always thought it was good?

  • tiburones

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/politics/13nevada.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    http://www.nytimes.com story about what’s going on in NV. This all seem a mess so who knows what is going to happen. The Culinary endorsement seems big for Obama but it’s stated that casino execs find it hard to let 4-5k workers off on break for over 1 hour to caucus.

    If Hillary can get the regular worker, other non-union workers and a plurality of the union workers(which may be hard as they have to state their affiliation to a particular canidate in public against the union endoresment) then she may pull it out.

  • basement angel

    It’s worth reminding people when Whitewater is brought up that the Resolution Trust had officially cleared Madison Guaranty (and by extension, the Clintons) of any wrong doing. And a clean bill of health from a bunch of Republican prosecutors was not enough to prevent the media from covering it extensively, and the Republicans from demanding an independent counsel.

    We knew there was nothing to Whitewater from the get go. The same cannot be said about Obama/Rezko.

  • robert ethan

    Ryan Lizza shares the viewpoint of the remark I made yesterday about it not being in the Obama campaign’s best interest to turn this into a referendum based on “race”.http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01/21/080121fa_fact_lizza

  • admin

    Good point Basment Angel.

  • Good read:

    The Leading Edge – Why I switched to Hillary Clinton

    blog.fastcompany.com/experts/mgoulston/

  • joe klein is doing some soul searching. i think after the day in NH, she has again forgotten young voters :). dont give up on that constituency Hillary. you need them in GE if not in primaries, and thats a generation that you need to inspire.

    heres joe Kleins article.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1702367,00.html

  • Berkeley Vox

    Great detail and well-thought out, admin. Others: we need to take this growing Rezko story to the blogosphere and get the word out — and that means in diaries, comments, and so forth on the Big Blogs. WE all know how vulnerable this story would make Obama if he were the nominee, and we can ruminate on it here until the cows come home, but it won’t matter unless we tell other Democrats.

  • admin, any comments on republican race? if romney wins MI, Freddy wins SC, and Guiliani FL, what arewe talking about here? will they trash each other to death before super tuesdays?

  • admin

    Thanks Berkeley Vox and you are right about circulating the story. In our early stories on Rezko we strongly suggested that Obama lay out all the facts immediately. Obama chose not to do that. Part of the “knight in shining armor” allure Obama has among Democrats is because they don’t know the Rezko story. Obama has given many different answers to the same questions as details emerge.

    We’ve always complimented the Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune for laying out some facts. But the story has never been investigated. The denials from Obama are usually taken at face value. Obama has repeatedly denied telling Obama Rezko to buy the lot and total lack of knowledge about the house seller splitting the property. That’s what Obama said in the early stories. Then Obama, after contrary evidence came out admitted that in fact he had probably talked with the seller and Rezko about splitting the property and buying the property, respectively.

    Big Media has never drawn the connection, easy to see, of Obama and the law firm he worked at pumping tens of millions of dollars to Rezko in exchange for financial assistance. Obama’s law firm partners invested in Rezko schemes. No investigation.

    The freezing tenants have never been interviewed.

    Obama’s protestations of innocence in real estate matters were demolished by the Sun-Times when they found his old candidate biography. Same situation as when other issues questionnaires have emerged – Obama denies then blames the staff.

    We are going to add more Qs and As as days go by.

    The story is going to get out and fully aired. The question is “When?” Will it be before the next series of primaries or after Super Tuesday?

  • admin

    Gladiatortail, the Republicans get messier and messier. Now Thompson is waking up. It means about 6 candidates still remain viable. We want them each to keep alternately winning – then fighting until the September convention for enough delegates to get to 50% + 1.

    A protracted Republican fight to the death means Hillary can continue to campaign on kitchen table issues amassing support. Hillary can also fundraise during this time. Bloomberg might decide not to run if Hillary is the candidate and has enough money to wage a campaign even if Bloomberg enters the race with his billions to spend.

  • texan4hillary

    i forgot about this goodie-obama almost voted to confirm roberts-but then his advisor told him he better vote agianst if he wants to run for prez. hah. what the hell are progressives doing with this guy?
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/26/AR2007082601446_pf.html
    The Outsider’s Insider
    After three decades in Washington, Pete Rouse is a voice of experience for Sen. Barack Obama.

    By Perry Bacon Jr.
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, August 27, 2007; A01

    Sen. Barack Obama had hired Pete Rouse for just such a moment.

    It was the fall of 2005, and the celebrated young senator — still new to Capitol Hill but aware of his prospects for higher office — was thinking about voting to confirm John G. Roberts Jr. as chief justice. Talking with his aides, the Illinois Democrat expressed admiration for Roberts’s intellect. Besides, Obama said, if he were president he wouldn’t want his judicial nominees opposed simply on ideological grounds.

    And then Rouse, his chief of staff, spoke up. This was no Harvard moot-court exercise, he said. If Obama voted for Roberts, Rouse told him, people would remind him of that every time the Supreme Court issued another conservative ruling, something that could cripple a future presidential run. Obama took it in. And when the roll was called, he voted no.

  • texan4hillary

    nyt-obama’s endorsements seem to be causing him grief-thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/endorsements-can-look-good-or-bad/

  • freckles

    Berkeley — I have told the Rezko story to voters, Hillary supporters, and Dem politicians. I get the same answer from them all: “Who?”

    Perhaps everyone should call a Dem endorser (Gov. Napolitano would be a start) to ask them if they have looked into the Rezko affair and have they satisfied themselves that this won’t become an Abramoff scandal by the trial date in Feb. I did this with George Miller (D-CA) and his staff were totally ignorant.

    I don’t know what Democrats are thinking, first endorsing then investigating. The question that they should be asked is: Does your endorsement man that you are vouching for Obama’s ethics and judgment?

  • hmmm interesting… so this “bipartisan” wanted to confirm robert gates… wowww… awesome.. now when we have dems like obama, why do we need republicans?

  • Wonder when the negotiations for a plea deal will start, that will really make Obama squirm.

  • lninla

    ADMIN- GOOD Work with the Times.online UK article – you can now say that this website is breaking news – Congrats, huge achievement!

  • Kingsgrove

    LISTEN NOW: BILL CLINTON INTERVIEW

    http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=BackStageAsset&cid=1199479069801

    “A series of comments from the Clintons about Barack Obama spurred a backlash as the candidates head to South Carolina. Former President Bill Clinton joined Make it Plain host Mark Thompson to explain in an in-depth interview on SIRIUS Left.”

  • Kingsgrove

    *Must read article…..

    http://www.charlotte.com/409/story/439864.html

    Posted on Thu, Jan. 10, 2008

    Hillary to Chelsea: Watch what you can do
    Obama, Clinton wins don’t make history, but they make change

    MARY SCHULKEN

    Her face glowed with an emotion anybody would recognize: It was a singular moment of victory, and as she soaked it in, watching the New Hampshire crowd, her eyes spoke her feelings.

    No, not Hillary. Chelsea. The third Clinton. The daughter of the woman who this week won a presidential primary for the first time since Shirley Chisholm won New Jersey in 1972.

    The daughter who has stayed in the background until now. But she suddenly stationed herself at her mother’s elbow in the Granite State as whirring cameras recorded the latest chapter in the nation’s wide-open presidential contest.

    Forget Bill. Forget Hillary (for the moment, anyway.) Look at Chelsea. Watch her watch her mother. Watch the two of them together. You’ll see the real impact of having a woman in contention to hold the most powerful office in the world.

    Anybody’s game

    One caucus and one primary into the 2008 presidential race, it’s anybody’s game. In Iowa, where people went for Democratic Sen. Barack Obama and Republican Mike Huckabee, youth and faith carried the day. In New Hampshire, it was experience: Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton and Republican Sen. John McCain came away with victories.Nobody knows what will happen in the next four weeks, as 25 states hold presidential votes. Yet the lone woman and African-American in this diverse field of Democrats and Republicans are in the thick of it.

    Neither made history with their wins. But both helped make change. Clinton and Obama have reminded us of the possibilities.

    Don’t underestimate the impact. When the doors of opportunity have been closed and they suddenly open, the next generation benefits just by watching. What is remarkable in one lifetime — a woman or African-American dominating a political stage, for example — becomes a fact of life in the ones that follow.

    That shift in attitude over time is how change takes place.

    Over time, change

    Women editors were not commonplace in the mid-1980s at the small North Carolina newspaper where I edited the editorial page. One day, a visiting publisher came into my office, cup in hand.

    “Honey,” I remember him saying, “I’m out of coffee. Can you help me out?”

    A couple of months later, a third-grade class touring the newsroom stopped by. After a short chat, I asked for questions.

    “Are you the editor of the paper?” one girl asked.

    I explained I was one of the editors, but not the editor. Later, the import of her question hit.

    Here was a youngster who saw a woman in an office and thought she might be in charge — the last thing most people might think in that time and place.

    Change, right before our eyes.

    `My own voice’

    You may disagree with Hillary Clinton’s politics. You may dislike her sharp edges. You may despise her husband, the former president. But looking at her daughter’s face, it’s easy to see what Clinton’s campaign — and those of other women and minorities — means.

    Watch Chelsea as she watches her mother. Look at them walk hand in hand, arm in arm. Check out Chelsea’s eyes as her mother told New Hampshire supporters ” … I found my own voice.”

    You can see the daughterly pride in a mother’s accomplishments. But there’s something more on Chelsea’s face, and more in Clinton’s voice.

    “Let me show you what you can do,” the mother’s voice says.

    I see it, says the look on Chelsea’s face.

    Mary Schulken

    ——————————————————————————–
    Mary C. Schulken is an Observer associate editor. Write her at P.O. Box 30308, Charlotte, NC 28230-0308, or mschulken@charlotteobserver.com.

  • terrondt

    hey hillfans, im looking foward to pumpkinhead interview with hillary on mtp. as usual we should expect nothing but 100mph fastballs from timmy. that is fine but what galls me he does not go hard on others. i have my dvr ready just in case i do not wake up in time.

  • admin

    Do we have to watch terrondt?

    Guess we will take out the magic Hill-o-scope which filters Big Media blowhards and permits us to enjoy watching Hillary.

  • terrondt

    lol, trust me admin i don’t. but we have to watch our girl. if she goes on timmy, why not tweety? they are joined at the hip at being brutal to her. i guess mtp on broadcast tv wich covers millions instead of cable. msnbc ratings are on the bottom.

  • clintondem99

    There is also an on going investigation of REZKO’s connections to Iraqi contract scandal:

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/179340,CST-NWS-iraqi20.article

  • European

    I am very interested in thes US elections being a big Hillary fan and because I believe the US need her to
    become again a trusted partner for Europe and a leader in the world.

    I regularly read on this site as I like the links to interesting articles and videos.

    BUT – whenever I read an article which I find through your links and I read the comments section under the article I miss your positive posts for Hillary.

    I dont know if BO has paid staff posting heavily for him and against Hillary, or if his followers are just more committed.

    If everyone on this blog who reads an article from the posted links scrolls down and makes his positive comments I think it could really help to convince other readers who otherwise find mostly BO-friendly comments.

    Greetings frm Amsterdam

  • Anduril919

    I agree European. Sometimes, I wonder where the others are when I’m posting in an article in defense of Hillary. I don’t have access to a lot of information and I’m not sure I do justice to the effort. But when I have all the information – I tend to shut them up with facts. You might think that it’s a useless exercise but when all the posts you see are pro-Obama – it tends to make the impression that everyone is against Hillary.

  • As for Whitewater, the big difference there is that Obama profited from his land deal — while iirc the Clintons lost money on theirs. They were among the victims, not the villains.

  • terrondt

    i know this much. no one can accuse me of being pro-obama.

  • As for posting in comment threads at those stories, if a story and thread is new and your comment will go on the first screen, great. I’m not sure how many people will read down through a bunch of nasty comments to see yours if it comes later.

    When I make a post that contains quotes and links, or any substantial information, I usually post a copy here and at my blog.

  • LawSchoolDem, et al. Perhaps it was missed a long way back but I posted my SourceWatch link to the documentation on BHO’s Hopefund complete with charts and links back to original FEC documents. This goes beyond the OpenSecrets info.

    Paste in browser:

    sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama%27s_contributions_to_campaign_endorsers

  • BTW, watched Tweetie’s ABC show this morning. It must be because ABC is the network that it was actually a racial, sane 30 minutes. When asked, the talking heads pretty much agreed that candidate “fatigue” goes to BHO. At first I thought the question was about whether Hillary or BHO would become fatigued first but it was actually about who they thought the voters would tire of first. Answer? BHO! I did not detect any anti-Hillary sentiments. I think this shows in another time slot, so it is worth watching if you can catch it.

    Hillary is on MTP with Pumpkin Head at 9.

  • This is going to be Hillary’s position today on MTP.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/12/clinton-blames-obama-campaign-for-comment-controversy/

  • terrondt

    LOL, i was watching washington journal on cspan feature zogby and they had a hillfan call in trashing zogby and tweety perdicting hillary’s demise. the caller was funny as hell calling on hillary haters bashing her.

  • terrondt

    sounded like a middle-aged to elderly male. i heard him before on cspan. he should sign up to this blog.lol.

  • alcina

    terrondt

    don’t worry about our girl vs pumkin-head this am. it will be her chance to throw this racist crap right back in the laps of the perpetrators. not only that, she will be able to upend any surprise gotcha’s in the upcoming debate. our girl will shine.

    btw –
    did you hear the hispanic crowd in nevada referring to our girl as ” el presidente”. gotta love it. 🙂

  • BillC in Nevada today.

    news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/NEWS/801130345/1232/NEWS19

  • clintondem99

    Does any one know why real clear politics is so anti Hillary? They seem to pick up all favorable news about obama and all critical articles about Hillary.

  • dot48

    she is doing great on mtp. she is setting the record straight from the horses mouth. go Hillary

  • dot48

    timmeh keeps trying to put word in her mouth and she keeps calling him on it. haha

  • dot48

    she is so smart

  • HillaryforTexas

    So far, Tim Russert is being an ass, and Hillary looks like the only grownup at the table.

    Every question so far is: “Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Why is the mean lady so nasty to my BFF Obambi who I looooooooove??”

    She’s doing beautfully.

  • Psymac

    Hi everybody, looking forward to MTP, on here at 10:00EST, but thanks for the comments!

  • clintondem99

    The mellon head is visibly sweating. LOL

  • alcina

    thanks for the updates, guys. i am on a stupid MTP whdh boston delay till 10:30. keep me posted…go hillary!

  • dot48

    she is ripping Timmey and new hole. She is making him look completely stupid, She knows her stuff and I hope that this interview gets put up on her website and all over the net. Youtube would be great.

  • dot48

    Timmey only playing part of her Iraq floor vote.

  • Psymac

    Curious that she seemed to avoid the media until after Iowa, she does so very well, only makes her more likable and presidential.

  • alcina

    ok..now for the important stuff. what’s she wearing?

  • dot48

    She is debating Timmey and she is winning. this is no interview,,,it’s a debate. Without a doubt this is an Obama surrogate trying to trip Hillary up. She is doing great

  • dot48

    she is tearing tiimmeh up. he keeps bringing up quotes from these stupid pundits and she says she’ll take her case to the public, she said she could bring in a bunch of quotes to counter him with but she is about action not talking

  • Psymac

    Getting vetted yet again….lol.

  • dot48

    she shot him down on the racism and fairytale remark and called him out on not showing the whole clip. He is trying his best to get in that obama had better judgement on the war but she keeps sighting his record. she says she wants their records and thier action to be part of the campaign, not just speeches

  • AmericanGal

    MTP is going great people…Russert looks stricken. He’s trying hard to defend his candidate Obama and stick negatives on her but she is hitting homerun after homerun. He has been completely overpowered by her I think. Wow…

    Second half coming up….great appearance by Hillary!

  • clintondem99

    tiimeh looks tired and haggard. He has watery eyes. He definitely sounds like a surrogate of Obama. I think he is frustrated that he is unable to trip her.

  • dot48

    dark suit .. i think she needs more red and bright royal blue. she doesn’t have to be in dark colors she is a woman

  • Southern Born

    Going into commercal on MTP with Timmie Russert. He looks mad. He has been working like crazy to have his big GOT CHA moment with Hiillary and she has stopped him cold at every turn. His eyes look red…must have an allergy.

    To the “important stuff”…Hillary is wearing a tweed jacket in darker colors. She needs to wear bright solid colors although she looks good in whatever she wears.

  • dot48

    yes, yes,!!!! she is tooting her own horn and brings the conversation back to how she is going to bring change to real peoples life.

  • alcina

    again, thanks for the updates. btw southernborn, it ain’t allergies..it’s martini’s!

  • dot48

    timmey trying his best to say now she can’t pay for her economic package. she cites right back that Obama doesn’t offer a way to pay for ANY of his pledges. She is now swording him on morgage crisis and timmey trying to say it’s people fault they are in mortage crisis.

  • dot48

    she’s turning his pardon question to her own favor now…. more transparent government,

  • dot48

    leave it to timmey to bring up Monica. she turned it again.

  • sandy1938

    ADMIN:

    I assume you are aware of this, but HILLARYIS44 is mentioned today in an article on Sunday Times UK. The article is linked at Real Clear Politics…….

    The website hillaryis44, widely viewed as an unofficial arm of the Clinton war room, has taken up the scandal with gusto and is offering a Rezko for Dummies guide on its site. “Imagine this,” it crows. “A Chicago politician wants things he can’t afford. Wifey likes expensive things and wants a big mansion to live in.”

    I always get excited when I see this site listed in print!!! Congrats!

  • DemAC

    I have published a diary at DailyKos, it’s a memo style compilation of all things Rezko. Thank you admin!

    I fully expect to be either completely ignored or burned like a Salem witch. Anyway it would be nice if you with accounts at DailyKos would recommend it. This is the link:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/13/44725/8414/292/436003

    Thanx!

  • sandy1938

    woops just read Gladiator’s comment……so I know for sure you already know….Oh well, congrats anyway!!!!

  • clintondem99

    She made Obama look like a cardboard cutout.

  • Southern Born

    Old TImmie is bringing out EVERY big, little, sneaky, sleezy “gun” he can to try to get his gotcha. Hillary is SO good. She is fantastic. She is so smart and so ready to be president. It just jumps out at you and she is making old Timmie look small and that takes some doing considering he is “pumpkin head”. Yes, alcina…I know and agree.

    Hillary is an amazing woman. Timmie threw everything at her but the kitchen sink and she not stood there strong but unbending to Timmie’s trash. She did it not only with incredible intelligence and knowledge of the issues but also with class.

  • DemHawk

    when is the debate with Timmie going to be up on youtube?

  • HillaryforTexas

    Final verdict: Hillary kicked Timmeh’s whiny ass all over the soundstage. He came across as googly-eyed infatuated with O’Bambi, and frustrated and overreaching in trying to trip her up. She came across as cool under fire, presidential, concerned about real Americans rather than “the horse race”, and knowing her shit up one side and down the other.

    That’s our gal! Competence personified, no stranger to incoming fire, and scary smart! 🙂

  • Southern Born

    Brain faster than fingers can type.

    Timmie threw everything at her but the kitchen sind and she not ONLY stood there strong…

  • Back from watching Hillary smack Timmeh up side the head. No wonder he couldn’t manage a smile and he broke to commercial at :53. I was watching Ch 6 out of Portland, ME.

  • Southern Born

    sink

    Okay, so I’m not a typist…

  • H4T, totally agree. She was wearing a dark suit because the backlighting is blue and yellow. A bright color would have made her disappear and red would have really looked bad.

  • The questions were all easy to anticipate, particularly since Timmeh couldn’t muster up anything more than his old material and BHO talking points. He quotes MoDo and Goodwins, for heaven’s sake. Stale, stale, boring, boring. Most people who watched either knew that he was pulling out Hillary-haters or hadn’t a clue as to the significance. Either way, she showed poor sappy Timmeh how she’ll deal with schmucks like him. Oh, and by the way, I don’t think Timmeh should anticipate an invite to the inauguration.

  • clintondem99

    I could not believe he was quoting Maureen Dowd as though she is a very serious jounalist. More people read her Op-ed for entertainement than anything else. Given more time he would have started quoting the great american journalist Tweety.

  • alcina

    so…who’s cryin’ now??

  • Southern Born

    Hillary can wear dark colors but with something bright. Mainly she needs to wear SOLID colors. The prints or tweeds seem to take away from her a bit if that is possible. She looks great no matter what but she seems to glow and look even more outstanding in solid colors.

  • Okay. I woke up with a diary in mind this morning but this quote I just found cements my thoughts:

    ACCORDING to Barack Obama, the former Democrat presidential candidate John Kerry didn’t just serve in Vietnam.

    No, in Obama’s honeyed tenor: “Kerry is a man who sacrificed the comforts of youth to fight in the jungles of Vietnam.”

    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23046217-5001031,00.html

    —-
    Add to this the fact that BHO’s money man is Kerry’s money man, that Kerry invited BHO to speak at the 2004 DNC Convention, and where does that take you? The BHO rolodex has been the Kerry rolodex for a very long time. Are we seeing the revenge of Kerry?

    More later.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Best line:

    Timmeh tried pulling up a bunch of impressive poll graphics that “prove” that people really like Obambi and don’t “like” Hillary. Timmeh all but screeched and stamped his little feets like a petulant child, “NO ONE likes you, you’re not cool, nyah nyah nyah! !”

    Hillary raised one eyebrow slightly, smiled, and basically said (my paraphrase) “You’d think that New Hampshire would have taught you stupid press something about paying a lot of attention to polls.”

    Oh, SNAP!

  • H4T, puhleeeeeeeese! Fortunately, I was not drinking right then!

  • TheRealist

    Review

    Meet the Press: A tough and aggressive Clinton played offense and defense on race, Iraq, and more. Perhaps a bit shrill and defensive for Clinton haters (and Clinton skeptics), but overall an on-message performance, driving her negative “talker/doer” contrast without going too far — reflecting ample preparation and her sense of what is required to win.

    thepage.time.com/

  • clintondem99

    B Merry… I did not see him come up with a sigle effective follow up. That tells me that he was getting answers that he was not expecting.

    I think Hillary was very effective in making the case that Obama’s Iraq policy is full of contradictions. The fact that the speech he gave in 2002 did not have any followup after he got elected to the senate shows that he had no strong conviction about Iraq.

  • alcina

    jkerry was on stephanopolis (sp) this morning. his idolatry of BO was appalling. please let me take back my 2004 vote.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Shrill? Will these sexist f*ckers NEVER cease with that word?!!! Jesus, talk about your dog whistle!

  • AmericanGal

    CNN this morning had a big discussion on the press ganging up on Hillary. I didn’t get to watch much of it but it was interesting to see that this topic is at least being addressed now.

  • Hillary = “shrill”, BHO = “barotone tones”

  • TheRealist

    Note that it is entitled, “Hillary Clinton attacks Obama”, what a joke.

  • So, BHO’s rapid response team was furiously whipping out rebuttals while Hillary was kicking their ass? Good!

  • What a beeatch Claire McCaskill is … she makes a negative comment about BillC then backs BHO based on HER negative comment.

    “During an appearance that year on NBC’s “Meet the Press”, McCaskill said she didn’t want former President Bill Clinton anywhere near her daughter. PubDef.net learned that the next day a fundraiser the Clintons had scheduled for McCaskill in New York was canceled.”

    Guess she won’t be getting any special White House invites.

    http://www.pubdef.net/2008/01/mccaskill-to-endorse-obama-might-have.html

  • dt

    John Kerry is absolutely pissed that Hillary will be President and he can never be. That very thought is absolutely unbearable for this haughty, condescending man. John Kerry is jealous. Well, at least he got to be back on the morning talk shows so his ego must have got some massage today!

  • Just watching Senator Clinton on the MTP right now . . . why does Tim look so irritable? He looks like a wreck. My favorite line so far was when Senator Clinton said that the media was silent when Obama’s chief strategist said she had something to do with Bhutto’s death. And where she told Tim that if she had a stack of paper in front of her she could list people who said the opposite of what Tim had quoted regarding the Iraq War vote. She’s doing great! And not letting Tim drive the interview. Very commanding.

  • HillaryforTexas

    McCaskill has personal issues. And lets just leave it at that.

  • Southern Born

    Fox News Sunday. The panel agreed that the coimments by Bill and Hillary were not racial…except for Juan Williams who is hitting hard about AA being disrespected. Bill Kristol and Bret Hume are even taking up for the Clintons. Juan is upset. Says Clintons playing race card.

  • LawSchoolDem, I left this link about the Hopefund at the top but here it is again.

    Paste in browser:

    sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama%27s_contributions_to_campaign_endorsers

  • clintondem99

    Barack has problems with Hillary’s vote on Iraq resolution. How come he has no problems with the endorsements from John Kerry and Ben Nelson both of whom voted for the resolution?

  • Southern Born

    Last night I emailed Claire MCCaskill about how disappointed we are about her endorsing Obama. We worked hard for her in 2006. We may not be available next time.

  • clintondem99

    It is strange to watch the so called liberals juan and Mara bash the clintons and Kristol and Hume support the Clintons.

  • clintondem99

    Mccaskill is ungrateful:

    Clinton will visit Missouri
    Ex-president to back McCaskill for Senate.

    By TERRY GANEY of the Tribune’s staff
    Published Tuesday, September 5, 2006
    Former President Bill Clinton is scheduled to appear Saturday in St. Louis at a rally in support of state Auditor Claire McCaskill, the Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate.

    Clinton
    McCaskill is challenging incumbent Sen. Jim Talent, R-Mo., in the Nov. 7 general election. Recent public opinion polls show the two are statistically tied with almost equal levels of support.

    Clinton’s visit is designed to push McCaskill’s campaign forward with eight weeks remaining until the election. He will attend a fundraising event at the Chase Park Plaza Hotel after the rally.

    Clinton will come to Missouri a day after President George W. Bush attends a fundraising event for Talent in Kansas City. The visit is Bush’s third to Missouri in the last year to help Talent’s campaign.

    McCaskill appeared yesterday at a Labor Day rally in Springfield with John Edwards, the 2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate.

    Adrianne Marsh, a spokeswoman for McCaskill, said the rally with Clinton would be held at The Pageant, a concert auditorium. She said the event was open to the public and between 1,500 and 2,000 were expected.

    A poll released Sunday by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and KMOV-TV showed that 47 percent backed McCaskill and 46 percent supported Talent. Two percent supported Libertarian candidate Frank Gilmour, and 5 percent were undecided. Because the poll’s margin of error was plus or minus 3.5 percent, the race is a virtual tossup.

    A USA Today/Gallup poll with a margin of error of 5 percentage points showed Talent favored by 50 percent of likely voters compared with 44 percent for McCaskill. Because of the poll’s margin of error, the two candidates are statistically tied.

    ——————————————————————————–

  • Last standouts of MTP: Senator Clinton taking Tim to task on an outdated NBC general election poll and on Obama’s present votes!

  • DemHawk

    Clintodem99, Kristol and Hume disregard Political Correctness…

  • wbboei

    Russert looked like death warmed over.

    He tried to swift boat Hillary.

    His methods were crude and dishonest.

    Selecting negative topics only.

    Mischaracterizing her position on the issues.

    Taking statements out of context.

    Framing a series of negative gotcha question.

    Interrupting her answers.

    Citing Modo as a credible source.

    Trying to open old wounds.

    Make her look bad.

    Refusing to vet Obama (How was Halloween)

    Questioning her own right to do so.

    She fought back gallantly.

    She got her message out.

    She vetted Obama for the phony he is.

    She proved Russert is a partisan hack.

    This will resume on Tuesday debate.

    3 men against one woman.

    They will try again for a mugging.

    She will play her own game.

    .

  • wbboei, and the good thing about this is Hillary can defeat all three of them with one hand tied behind her back while she’s baking cookies!!

  • tiburones

    Wow! I think that Huckabee should reccommend Metamucil for Timmy. He looked like he wanted to go but couldn’t. It was attack, attack, attack. She was great and committed no faux pas’s that I could see.

    Loved how she pivoted to what the American people want now, it seems he wasted too much time on trying to trip her up on the war. Hardly any questions on the economy which was cited as the most important issue by the voters.

    It’s official, he was bi*tched slapped today.

  • clintondem99

    Kerry lost 2004 and is trying his best to loose 2008. He is on ABC.

  • Let me offer a theory. Kerry wants to be VP.

  • HillaryforTexas

    B. Merryfield – I love that line! Will steal!

  • One blogger writes:

    “John Kerry is not ‘Al Gore’ with a bright political and financial future ahead — and he does have the reputation of getting in bed with whoever has the money.”

    et tu BHO?

  • tiburones

    http://www.taylormarsh.com mentioned by Ben of Politico. Hi Ben!
    January 13, 2008
    Read More: Barack Obama

    Obama’s “Talking points”

    When Clinton suggested just now on Meet the Press that the Obama campaign had been pushing the story that the Clintons had been, in some way, racially insensitive, she referred to “talking points” she said the Obama campaign had been putting out.

    What she meant was what appears to be a partial memo with an Obama aide’s name on it posted by HuffPo, Taylor Marsh, and MyDD, listing what have been taking as off-key Clinton campaign remarks.

    The Obama campaign wouldn’t discuss these in detail, and it’s not clear to me how widely-circulated they were. When I was working on a story on the subject Thursday, the only research document I got from the Obama campaign was one with a series of his quotes on racial reconciliation. Still, the document does seem well off the campaign’s message.

  • clintondem99

    Kerry is going out of the way to slam Hillary what an A**hole. I can not believe I voted for this guy.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Okay, this is sad. Obambi has Kerry speaking for him on ABC, and Tom Daschle just came on CNN to speak for him.

    Is he TRYING to lose?

  • terrondt

    that prick showed the video showing clinton with fairytail comment without showing the full statement why he said fairytail. the fairytail about obama’s shifty iraqi war funding and stances.

  • Southern Born

    Gloria Borger, no friend of Hillarys, said tht BO is candidate of wealthy and elite. Some on panel said he needs to appeal to the beer drinkers of Dem party.

    Borger said that BO needs NOW to talk about SUBSTANCE…where’s the beef

    Hum

  • Had to dig back in the links to find this one again but the blogger makes a good point. Here are BHO’s recent political endorsements as well as media endorsements, so to speak. What’s wrong with this picture?

    Kristol, Sullivan, Brooks, Broderella, Lieberman, Nelson, Daschle… What’s not to like? Plus, now John Kerry!

    blogtopus.blogspot.com/2008/01/barack-obama-bend-over-candidate.html

  • MJS

    I’m seriously starting to think MANY Americans are STOOOOPID.
    I see all these comments online about how Martin Luther King blah blah blah and Johnson needn’t be mentioned.

    YEAH. RIGHT.

    MLK started a movement, but if he had been assasinated and no one had actually enacted upon his words and worked to bring civil rights to a federal level, would we be in the same USA?

    ugh.

    These types of American people frustrate me sometimes. IN fact, stupid people frustrate me and to a high degree, I see the Obamamaniacs as stupid. They support a candidate with no substance, just style. No stands, just talk. No action, just dreams.

    That SCREAMS stupid to me.

    Hillary has both substance and style, both dreams and action, but stands and talk and the ability to make progress real.

    Many Americans are gullible.
    Most OBama fans are very very very stupid.
    Especially if they are falling for his words like dimes.

  • Southern Born

    B Merryfield, you always put up good stuff…liked the list of BO’s endorsements.

    Thank God you are on our HILLARY’S side.

  • Thank you, Southern Born. It’s appreciated.

  • lninla

    I got up watched 5 minutes of Tim Russert and wanted to throw the remote control at his constipated pumpkin head. He quotes Maureen Dowd – as if she has any credibility about women. Problem is these annoyingly, transparent Obama-puppets, hack journalists, like Russert, just keep quoting other Obama puppets. Why didn’t he quote Gloria Steinem??? He takes clips completely out of context – the Iraq War resolution, the Fairy Tale comment.

    He is a jerk. What happened to integrity in journalism? Where are more and more powerful Media Matters groups to take these biased journalists to task?

    Admin – After the Rezko posts, can we not do referendums on page 1 on Russert and Matthews?

  • This comes from a comment at TPMElectionCentral following Hillary was on MTP. Although a bit long, it explains the facts and will be helpful for those younger than I to understand:

    The New York Times is starting to have a bad reputation; it is allowing reporters and columnists to edit Hillary Clinton’s comments and then bash her based on that edited version.

    The FACT is that although Martin Luther King was extremely active in the Civil Rights cause during the President Kennedy years, Kennedy was never able to move the stalled civil rights legislation through Congress. After Kennedy was assassinated and Lyndon Johnson became president, LBJ used his knowledge of how to get things done in the Congress (where he had served as a powerful leader in both the House and senate) along with the emotion built up by the murder of Kennedy to get the historic Civil Rights bill passed and the voting rights bill passed the following year.

    At the time LBJ signed the long-desired Civil Rights bill, he remarked that he had lost the South to the Democratic party for at least the next 25 years — and that prediction turned out to be true.

    Not only that, but LBJ’s skill and courage in pushing and then signing that legislation led to a lot of hatred toward him that smolders still. Today, most younger people know only that LBJ is reviled for his Vietnam war failures, but few know how skillfully he worked to get the Civil Rights and voting rights legislation passed.

    Of course, it was the courage and bravery and leadership skill of Dr. King and his colleagues plus the activism of this nation’s black population that created the national awareness that something had to be done to protect blacks and make it possible for them to enjoy the promise of America’s Constitutionally-guaranteed rights. but Dr. King was not in Congress and had no way to write or pass legislation and had to persuade those who were in legislative office to do the right thing. For years, those in Congress did not get the legislation passed. LBJ did get the legislation moving successfully through Congress, using his celebrated strong-arm methods when necessary and his persuasive skills when possible. Maybe another president might have been able to get the job done, but the fact is that none of them did — until LBJ did.

    That takes NOTHING away from Dr. King’s historic leadership and courage; it merely states that Congress had to pass the legislation and the president had to sign it to make Dr. King’s courageous efforts result in laws.

    When President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves in the rebellious states, he was NOT the only one who had worked to end slavery, yet I don’t see anyone talking about that. Many white and black abolitionists died in the cause of freeing the slaves yet no one says it is disrespectful to THEIR contribution to recognize what Lincoln did.

    So, why are extremists, today, saying it is disrespectful toward Dr. King to say that LBJ got the Civil Rights and voting rights bills moving successfully through Congress (where they had been stalled for years) and then signed that legislation turning Dr. King’s dream into reality?

    It takes nothing from Dr. King anymore than saying Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation takes credit away from those earlier martyrs.

    As far as I know The NYTimes has YET to publish Hillary Clinton’s full statement — in the print edition — and persists in allowing reporters to bash her based on the “skillfully”-edited version that suits their agenda better.

    Shame on all the reporters and pundits who do the same editing and bashing.

    tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/on_meet_the_press_hillary_again_pushes_back_hard_on_martin_luther_king_flap.php

  • Psymac

    I think that this interview with Russert is a very good thing, Hillary needs to convert the Obamalamas, not preach to the choir. In this regard, Tim did a great service to Hillary by being the BM/Obama stooge, because they are pushing all this crap and she has no chance to respond effectively in 30 second sound bites. Given a full hour of hard questions allows all the nuance and details to be vetted and discussed in their proper context. So, this was an excellent campaign strategy, and I assume a calculated and premeditated one. And as we’ve already seen from the early reviews, a very effective decision.

  • InInLa, if it’s any consolation, as my son says, this is infotainment and these are not journalists, they’re talking heads. How much talent does it take to tell your production staff to pull up the gotcha quotes and show them on cue? ZIP!

    Think like an alien visiting earth for the first time and you walk by a media store window and look in .. what do you see on the teevee screen? A talking head with its mouth saying nuthin!

    Case closed.

  • Uh oh! McCaskill went against advice by Emily’s List and “other organizations that help women run for office in her 2006 race to unseat former Sen. Jim Talent in Missouri” to endorse BHO.

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/13/574170.aspx

  • BHO’s media response to Hillary on MTP:

    hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/01/obama_responds_1.html

  • chaz356

    The problem with the american people is not stupidity but ignorance, we are too much of a headline nation. We do not read beyond the headlines. I am AA I have a friend only one thank God who is for Hussein Obama and all he knows about him is that he is african american since when does that qualify one for the most powerful post in the world. I am in the very deep south ie Texas race in not an issue for me.
    I landed in the country in the early 90s $3000 to my name and with an accent, but now am a proud owner of 4 sub shops yes the Jared ones. Just hardwork period.
    Hillary for POTUS and again I say Hillary will be POTUS,
    I am a devout christian I dont know how that fits in on this forum but one thing I have admired here is the positive vibe, I am praying and fasting for Hillary for POTUS so whatever your beliefs lets keep this going something in my spirit tells me Hillary is about to take the world by storm.

  • alcina

    i know those of us @ H44 live, breathe and eat politics 24/7, but when i ask folks outside our world about the sunday talking heads, morning joes, etc., the answer is always “i don’t watch that stuff”, or “i don’t pay any attention to that”.

    i even had a couple (women) tell me they weren’t even aware of the HRC-misty moment before or after voting in the NH primary.

    makes me wonder what influence the so-called big media-pukes really have?

  • terrondt

    ok hillfans, i saw the entire taped mtp. timmy threw as usual 100mph fastballs the entire hour but hillary weathered it and pushed back hard. the biggest thing is she had the entire hour to answer in detail. how many damn times timmy has to ask her about the rightwing fast conspiracy? he asks her about this it seems every year since 1998. i guess he will never let her live it down. personnally i would not go on that show but she feels she can take what he dishes. it makes her stronger. i hope diehards will be with her no matter what. i know we will.

  • alcina

    of course dirt-bomb russert had to end the interview referring to HRCs most difficult personal moment. must make him feel like a real man..

  • Anglachel writes:

    “I have now crunched numbers for two days, and though I know what they say (people in urban and very rural areas voted strongly for HRC), that will not stop the Obama campaign from squalling and throwing things to try to confuse the matter. Make no mistake – this is a campaign tactic, not a call for justice. They don’t want a recount because it won’t give him the votes he needs, but they do want this to remain in the political atmosphere so they can play poor widdle victim Barry having his votes stolen by the (white racist) bitch HRC.”

    anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/01/get-more-votes-next-time.html

  • S

    Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee rocked it for Hillary on the whole race issue on Last Word with Wolf on CNN…Lee was her usual no nonsense self and pushed back hard for Hillary…she set the record straight and stated Hill had spoken to Clyburg, etc and said we are going to SC and we are going to the voters…it made my heart sing to hear…she was forceful…

  • basement angel

    Clinton Dem,

    Vis a vis Whitewater and Rezko – this is important. The big difference is that Madison Guaranty (the S&L around which Whitewater revolved) had already been thoroughly investigated by the Resolution Trust and Clinton had been given an official clean bill of health by the time Clinton was running for president. That’s the difference. You can lose money on an unethical or illegal enterprise and that doesn’t make it legal and ethical. Now Obama did profit on his house, but even if he didn’t, he shouldn’t be asking mob affiliates for personal favors to the tune several hundred thousand dollars.

    No one has looked into Obama’s relationship with Rezko. Bill had been officially cleared.

  • alcina

    S

    had the opportunity to meet and hear congresswoman sheila jackson lee speak on behalf of HRC last week here in NH. we were left speechless. thank god she’s on our side!

  • HillaryforTexas

    Timmeh catches his breath and rubs his thighs and pants in anticipation to discuss Monica with Hillary, as do many in the press. It is a sick, sick dynamic, and women and good men recognize it for the sewer prurience that it is.

  • cwille

    On a totally different topic—-we all know the problems these days with polls in general and especially in caucus states, but are there any new Nevada polls coming out this week?

  • Joe Friday

    The MTP interview was essentially a 45 minute “Hillary For President” commercial. Had to be worth $50 million of free advertising. Everything Timmeh tried backfired on him.

    THANKYOU Timmeh for being your consistently predictable
    fathead self !!!

  • Joe Friday, you are exactly right. And, of course, the political commenters and bloggers just had to paraphrase and nuance everything she said. Add to that, BHO just had to issue a statement to say “mom, she’s picking on me”, which just propels the message that nobody’s going to hand him the nomination. He just might have to provide some substance and not just wait for the coronation.

    Transcript should be up tomorrow morning here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

  • Southern Born

    Hillary Clinton walked into the MTP lion’s den without fear to go mano-mano for an hour with the big bad lion only to discover that the lion is just a red-eyed, mean girl talking whimp.

    As tibourne and B Merry said…Hillary bi*tch slapped the lion with one hand tied behind her back while baking cookies.

    I love it.

    Ya’ll make our days and lift our spirits!

  • wolf blitzer probably doesnt know what memo obama campaign is distributing. can someone e-mail him this memo please? thank you.

    MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON

    Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising “False Hope” Said That While MLK Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One Who Got Legislation Passed: “It Took A President To Get It Done.” Clinton rejoined the running argument over hope and “false hope” in an interview in Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox’s Major Garrett that while Martin Luther King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the one who got the legislation passed. … .. [Politico, 1/7/08; Video]

    Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton introducer: “If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his work and got the republicans to pass all those measures.” [HRC, Dover, NH, 1/7/08] AUDIO ATTACHED

    NELSON MANDELA

    Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. “I have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the last hundred years. […] I go to Nelson Mandela’s birthday party every year and we’re still very close. […] But if you said to me, ‘You’ve got one last job for your country but it’s hazardous and you may not get out with life and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I’ll let you take one other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions […] I would pick Hillary.'” [ABC News, 1/7/08; Audio]

    DRUG USE

    Clinton’s NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said It Would “Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter.” Clinton’s Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen’s Comments And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He “Deeply Regret[s] The Comments.” … .. “There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. … .. Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a statement asserting that “these comments were not authorized or condoned by the campaign in any way.” And Shaheen himself issued a statement: “I deeply regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the campaign in any way.” [ABC News, 12/12/07]

    … … –snip– … …

    Amaya Smith
    South Carolina Press Secretary
    Obama for America
    803——– x —
    cell: 803——–

  • grandmother

    I have just e-mailed McCaskill and told her that her support of Obama has officially put in the Independent camp and that I will change my registration from Democrat. I worked hard on her campaign while facing a tremendous amount of hostility because of her support of stem cell research. This is a very Catholic city and the church has a strong voice here. She won against Jim Talent but it was slim. I told her that when it was time to run again women would remember this.

    I will encourage all of other female friends, particularly lawyers’ groups, to contact her. This is not a good thing.

  • Emjay

    Psymac

    Just to remind folks…Hillary did what is called “A Greenspan,” weeks before the caucuses; all the Sunday morning shows on one Sunday.

  • TheRealist

    Everyone here should watch “Reliable Sources”, on CNN. Howard Kurtz is one of the few objective voices in the media and should be supported.

  • TheRealist

    Emjay-

    I think that’s, “The Full Ginsberg”, in reference to Monica Lewinsky’s lawyer.

  • admin

    http://www.northjersey.com/Your_picks_Hillary_Rudy.html

    New Yorkers Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani remain the top choices for president in New Jersey, and most voters do not expect to change their minds before the Feb. 5 primary, a poll by The Record found.


    Clinton led fellow Sen. Barack Obama 48 percent to 23 percent, with former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards at 11 percent, in the poll of 400 likely Democratic voters taken Wednesday and Thursday. Undecided voters made up 13 percent of those surveyed.

  • lninla

    hey all – hopefully Taylor Marsh will post video of Sheila Jackson Lee speaking out in support Hillary – if not, please someone post if you see it! I just read the TPM about the ” New York Times Prints Truncated Version Of Hillary MLK Quote Yet Again” and this makes my blood boil that they distort her opinion and then bash her with a distorted version – UNBELIEVABLE, makes my blood boil. The press is out of control. I am writing a second email to MSNBC and Meet the Press…We need the Mark Halperin’s, the Howard Kurtz’s to be the Norma Rae’s of their own industry. Patently ridiculous. I know that many in America don’t watch the pundits, but the distortions trickle down and we hope that everyone is as wise as B Merryfield’s son to know that these pundits are as bad as infomercials.

  • Sittin Bull

    I am watching CNN. One of the commentators just said she was on a conference call with Obama this morning and he said “he would not comment of whether the statements offended him but that some, including Clinton supporters, were offended.” There is absolutely not question remaining that he is playing the race card and pushing this story. It is sick. Like she said, he takes no action to condenm this BS.

  • Paula

    S, That’s great about Sheila Jackson Lee. Also glad to hear Hillary talked to Rep. Clyburn. BTW, I can’t wait to see Hillary’s MTP appearance! Sounds like she kicked serious ass.

    I love that she has no fear about going into the lion’s den. Good preparation for the presidency, lol.

  • another_reader

    sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama%27s_contributions
    _to_campaign_endorsers#Hopefund_recipients_in_early_2008_caucus_and_primary_states

    this afaik is the key part about hopefund. it was supposed to be shut down for presidential run but in late september 2007 he revived it and gave money to state, local, party officials in early primary states. that is a problem, and i think illegal because coordinated with his campaign (this was in washington post). contributions to people like ben nelson in 2005 not a problem, it was when he revived it during primary season, that is a real issue.

  • Southern Born

    Grandmother, I hear you about Claire.

    I, too, emailed her again today quoting someone from this site by asking if her endorsement of Obama meant she was vouching for his ethics and judgement on the Rezko affair.

    I reminded her, too, that we have a LONG memory and when she comes up for re election, we’re not likely to forget this.

  • dot48

    I really think that if the media keeps up the hatchet job, this will become a gender issue. When one of our own keeps getting sling shotted and lied about and ganged upon….well, we are women hear us roar.

    MTP was the best advertisement for Hillary — signed, sealed and delivered. People who watch will come away seeing the strongest female that we have had in our lifetime who can take over the office and lead from day one.

    She is extremely dedicated to this country

  • Emjay

    H4Texas

    I can only listen to MTP (via c-span radio) but I swear to god I heard that eyebrow arch up. You have an artist inside you somewhere.

    Going to listen to Keryy puke all over himself right now on Georgie’s show.
    OMG! He just mentioned BO in same sentence with the lions of Democratic history! Yuk.

  • another_reader

    hillary did great on meet the press, i watched the whole thing. got that message out there about her economic stimulus plan and dealing with home foreclosures.

    i’m astonished at halperin using the “shrill” thing AGAIN. will that ever stop? now i watched the whole hour and there wasn’t a single moment that crossed my mind as shrill or even heated, for that matter. there were moments where she had some crosstalk with russert because, guess what, he’s trying to cut her off before she finishes her point – that’s what he does.

  • dot48

    we need Mccaskill office number and email out here. another turncoat who used Bill C and then stabs him in the back. I want to ask her if she kept her daughter hid while bill was helping her get elected to the very seat she holds now.

    ungrateful bunch. I wish I had enough $ to give full out to Hillary campaign but I can sure enough let these weasels like all those who been bought and paid for out of hope pac money and the turncoats like Kerry by email and phone. I already got Kerry via myself, spouse, sister and her family.

  • obama is pontification on CNN..

  • lninla

    There goes Obama voting “present” on the race issue now – until he realizes which side of political convenience he should land on. Jerk!

    Sittin Bull Says:
    January 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    I am watching CNN. One of the commentators just said she was on a conference call with Obama this morning and he said “he would not comment of whether the statements offended him but that some, including Clinton supporters, were offended.”

  • Emjay

    TheRealist

    I stand corrected. It’s like knowing the perfect word and not being able to find it. Thanx 8)

  • Emjay

    What was Kerry refusing to comment on with Georgie at the very end?

  • admin

    “Hillary marry me baby” video

  • grandmother

    Southern Born: I am spitting nails about Claire. I can’t believe she did this. Claire of all people who had to fight the Republican machine here in Mo, which is very, very, very conservative by the way. I don’t know how this is going to play with the folks in Springfield, Mo (home to the Blunts Roy and Matt – for those of you who don’t know about our very conservative state) and Cape Girardeau, home of the infamous Limbaugh family (yes Rush’s family). While those folks in K.C.and St. Louis might support Obama, his liberal stand on many of those cultural issues is not going to play well in the farmland. She might be cooking her goose. And to think Bill came here to rally the troops during her campaign.

    She should have stayed neutral. I realize there is a lot of Clinton hate to go around here in the middle of America but I don’t see Obama as helping her, at least once the word is out on his record, as slim as it is, that show he is very, very, very liberal pn issues that folks care about here. Again for those of you who don’t know our state – We also had Ashcroft for our govenor. Need I say more.

  • grandmother

    dot48: By the way I forgot- just google Claire McCaskill’s website and get the information. Everyone of us should be calling and e-mailing. This is something we can do to support HRC, especially anyone else who is from Mo. It also feels good.

  • chaz356

    hey about this race thing bill richardson is hispanic cant he also say he lost due to racism,
    in the same light if we lose sc should we say its racism since we know most AAs in sc support Hussien because he is AA.
    Its a no win situation for Hussein which ever way you slice it or dice it.
    Hussien is a fraud and I am highlighting this point to all my AA friends and we are winning the battle one person at a time.
    BTW do not be mislead by the media not all AA support Obama,
    Also can someone shed light on the dealings of Jesse Jackson Jr I mean business dealing I once heard that he used or his family rather used threats of protests on some companies to win bids etc.
    If its true and he questions Hillary on sincerity then lets expose him

  • OandrewD

    My thoughts regarding Race and Gender:

    1) There is no reason that either should play a part in the election, the media coverage of the election, and the treatment of the candidates, but personally a voter should be allowed to give a +1 point when deciding which candidate to vote for based on race or gender.
    2) Gender is definitely playing a HUGE part in this race. The media onslaught on Hillary, the idea that Women CLICKED (as Gloria S. claimed), and incidents such as the “Iron My Shirt” sign. Because of these factors I believe women moved to support Hillary, it did “click” with some and so gender turned out to be a positive for Hillary so far. I do not believe Hillary has ever injected a gender divide into the election.
    3) Race has not played a big role in these primaries until now and unlike gender race is being injected by Obama’s political machine. It is not driven by a media pile on or protest signs, but by Obama generated memos which clearly distort words and facts. Maybe Obama thinks that women clicked for Hillary and black people should click for him. But again the difference is his campaign has started the attempt to have race divide voters.
    4) Bottom line, vote based on your own research and not spin.

  • emkay

    This is in reply to Robert Ethan’s connecting of Obama to the tragedy occurring in Kenya. I have read what he has posted carefully. Robert, you are saying that Odinga and Obama are “cousins”. Do you mean that the Obama’s father has a sibling who is father or mother to Odinga, or do you mean that Obama’s father and Odinga belong to the same ethnic group? My feeling is that it is the latter. That would be like saying any two people who are jewish, for instance, are ‘cousins’.
    But even if they werea ctually first cousins, this is not relevant to the U.S. campaign.

  • Emjay

    Hah!

    Just got a phone call with a request for a yard sign.

    Knew I should have grabbed both boxes of them!

    Caucuses may be over, but the work isn”t.

  • emkay

    I accidentally pressed ‘reply’ before finishing my previous post. Connecting Obama to what’s happening is Kenya, thus implying he is responsible in some way, is like the Obama campaign’s connection of Hillary to Benazir Bhutto’s death, or even worse. In everything you’ve posted, I see no connection. It is irrelevant. This is why people on this site have called what you are posting ‘race-baiting’.

    There is enough on Obama to vet without bringing in this type of smear. Just because Obama and Odinga have communicated does not make Obama in any way responsible for the Kenyan tragedy.

  • dot48

    Claire McCaskill … Missouri Office 1-573-651-0964

    Senate … 1-202-224-6154

    Her official website has a pop up email form but no addy that I can find.

    I emailed and plan to call.

  • AmericanGal

    Hillary on CNN live right now!

  • kostner

    John Kerry got a serious challenger in MA. This flip flopper has truly infuriated me a lot. The challenger is the guy who gives sweat to a recent MA congressional race. I think I’ll donate to this guy to retire Kerry for good.

    Republican Jim Ogonowski, who narrowly lost a congressional race to Niki Tsongas in October, is preparing to challenge U.S. Sen. John Kerry, The Associated Press has learned.

    Ogonowski, the brother of an airline pilot killed in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said he’s been attending Republican events around the state since his 6-point loss to Tsongas, a Democrat.

    “There’s nobody in Washington who represents the status quo more than John Kerry,” said Ogonowski, who did not officially declare his candidacy.

  • AmericanGal

    Super! There are “Women for Hillary” signs in the SC crowd for her speech….I haven’t see those before…

  • DemAC

    Brilliant analysis as usual *cough cough* from Josh Marshall at TPM:


    Endorsements don’t usually count for much. But if they’re big enough and come at critical moments they can count for a lot. And this string of endorsements Obama has picked up since his narrow defeat in New Hampshire four days ago is, I believe, a major story that has not gotten the attention it deserves.

    “not gotten the attention it deserves!… Poor Josh. 😀

  • Southern Born

    Grandmother, I live in your state on the far right side. I, too, am very disgusted at Claire after we worked so hard for her.

    Ashcroft…yes, we found out about him when he was our governor long before he was Attorney General. I’m still proud of my vote for a dead man instead of him when he was running for US Senator.

    US Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill will take you to her site where you can leave an email. Please, everyone, email her.

  • dot48

    Kerry is toast most likely. good riddance — with friends like him who needs enemies.

  • Joe Friday

    Well, I’m offended by Obama’s repeated LYING.

  • DemAC

    AmericanGal,
    That’s good! The campaign is not stupid, thay know what part of the voters’ bread is buttered…

  • AmericanGal

    New ARG national poll…for what it’s worth. Just passing it along as info…

    Hillary 47%
    Obama 27%
    Edwards 13%

    americanresearchgroup.com/

  • dot48

    well i wonder if the cheerleaders over at msnbc wiill say didly about this poll. spitball won’t.

  • Joe Friday

    dot48,

    Claire McCaskill … Missouri Office 1-573-651-0964

    That’s Cape Girardeau. Here’s St. Louis:

    314-367-1364

    Her official website has a pop up email form but no addy that I can find.

    No straight address. Link to form:

    http://mccaskill.senate.gov/contact.cfm

  • DemAC

    Oh yes the ARG… This fine pollster establishment. Always accurate. Always reliable. This probably means that Edwards is poised to win in a landslide.

  • admin

    DemAC enjoyed reading your take on the Rezko situation on the kooks site. They are so welcoming over there to Hillary supporters. 🙂 Hillary gets trashed they say nothing. Obama gets questioned on facts about his history it gets called a smear. They are reality challenged.

    The Rezko story is in some ways very simple (politician on the take) and at the same time complicated (all the buffers to hide the central issue). It’s interesting to see how you explained the Obama history. Our original method for explaining the issue was a rather detailed, legalistic approach which complicated the narrative. We’re still working on how to simplify the narrative without losing the central elements.

    Good job.

  • AmericanGal

    Some more ARG numbers..again, just posting for info

    Hillary Clinton continues to lead the Democratic field. Clinton leads Obama 43% to 28% among men and 50% to 27% among women. Among Democrats (82% of likely national Democratic primary voters), Clinton leads Obama 50% to 25%. Among independents, Obama leads Clinton 37% to 32%, with 17% for Edwards.

  • clintondem99

    AmericalGal, Poor Edwards!! LOL

  • Paula

    Hey, Josh, those endorsements were lined up BEFORE New Hampshire. Right after Iowa, Dick Durbin mentioned a bunch of endorsements were coming. Obviously, they were supposed to build on Obama’s “momentum” after he won NH. Oh wait, that never happened …

  • AmericanGal

    How accurate has the Rassmussen tracking poll been? I haven’t been following that one..another spotty one that was off the mark? Just for info…today’s nunmbers: Hillary 39% Obama 35% Edwards 14% Hillary up 4% since yesterday

  • terrondt

    americangal, good news about arg but keep in mind after nh polls are less credible now. hopefully it may be right. national polls will mean much more becuase nearly half the country will be voting on feb. 5th.

  • pm

    OandrewD, exactly — you have succinctly presented what is at the core of the current debate. I will go further to add to your 4th point, Internet and youtube have helped people see and judge for themselves what it is. Spin especially bad from any quarter is not working anymore. I have heard a colleague say about the tear episode how he thought bad of it when he first heard it and then when he actually looked at the video, it was really not what it was being spun as..In a way, I think big media is panicking. If their so called expertise becomes irrelevant, where will they be?

  • Paula

    Rasmussen usually has the race closer than other polls because it’s a tracking poll. I don’t care about national polls anymore, however; this is about winning the necessary delegates, period.

    BTW, do any of you know people who don’t like Hillary because of the “dynasty” issue? I do, and it makes no sense to me why you’d deprive this country of a great president because her last name was Clinton.

  • DemAC

    Thanx admin! 🙂

    I’ll hang on to the account over there and see what happens.

    If anyone cares to take a look there’s a link above at 9:53 am.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/13/44725/8414/292/436003 [edit: link added by admin]

  • dot48

    it’s turning on pocketbook issues in the end and when people really hear it will be Hillary all the way. A lot of this stuff is already wearing thin. The economy is tanking and people remember that Clintons will fight for the poor and to help working americans.

    It’s going to hinge on this IMO .. the more people hear and meet her the more they are coming to the sense that she is what this country needs.

    bambi and media are throwing everything against her and nothing sticks or knocks her down. she is still standing and that is why bambi camp is in desperation mode. he may indeed win sc BUT then again, he most likely should … again the EXPECTATIONS are riding on him. I think our girl is in good enough shape in sc, she is not expected to win but she can come so close that it’ll shake them in their boots. A surprise victory will shoot her over the moon. lower expectations and keep fighting for every vote..let every body in sc know they are important to her.

  • clintondem99

    AmericanGal, There has been a bounce of 7% for Hillary, 4% for BO and Edwards down 6% after NH. If you notice Hillary’s numbers are nearly back to where they were befor IOWA.

  • AmericanGal

    Thank Terrondt…I hesitated posting them but the numbers are starting to go out in the media so I posted for info just so we would know what is being circulated. To tell the truth, I’m really happy that there aren’t any current polls from NV or SC. I kind of like it that way..everyone has to focus on the candidatesand won’t get consumed with the numbers. On the other hand, its nice to have at least a little idea of what is happening….

  • TeamClinton08

    Hello all,

    Just wanted to say that I am disgusted by the John Kerry and McCaskill endorsements of Obama. Can you say back-stabbers?! I can’t believe that John Kerry would have the gall to endorse Obama after Bill Clinton got up from his sick bed to help him! I wish I could take back my vote for him in 2004! He is so obviously jealous of the clintons because they are winners unlike him. McCaskill sure wasn’t complaining about Bill when he was helping her get elected. What a hypocrite! I can’t wait to see there faces when the Obama hype collapses and Hillary is the nominee. 🙂

  • AmericanGal

    Paula, I had a discussion with my Obama obsessed co-worker on that dynasty question. I pointed out that this arguement is one that should have been made in regards to George W Bush and not Hillary. Also, it’s completely unfair to say she can’t run simply because her husband is a successful politician as well. How un-American. I don’ think he was persueded but he hasn’t brought the issue up since.

  • terrondt

    amrericangal, ras a decent track record. it will take longer for his polls to match the trends. i have premium membership but he is very slow on polling crucial states. he never makes the effort to let anybody know on his site when and were he is polling. hopefully supertuesday and the fall polling is better and more frequent. zogby seems to be more active. but all polling of the national media and big independent polling firms are still smarting after nh. i had his premium membership in 2004. he was on the money on the national popular vote between bush/kerry.

  • terrondt

    teamclinton08, music to my ears!! come feb 6th crow your ass off becuase a lot of hillary hatin backstabbers are going to eat a lot of it. they will whine and cry. CAN’T WAIT FOR FEB 5TH.

  • TeamClinton08

    Great ARG numbers 🙂 I’m glad that Hillary still maintains her national lead handedly. The hype has not done much to erode her national lead and that says a lot about the strength of her campaign.

  • dot48

    The dynasty question should be totally moot with the Clinton issue. He left the country in far better shape than when he took over, people had jobs, the economy was in great shape, people had jobs. People were happy. Why people can’t understand that Hillary will of course have different issues to deal with but that the Clintons know how to turn the country around.

    Besides, Hillary is not just some junior senator running for office … she has a legit record of working and getting things done. This is not being lost on people.

    My brother refuses to budge from babmi-koolaid-camp and he is not willing to address any issues. He just can’t stand to see a woman in the big house and some of these men endorsements lately lead me to believe that some men are still cavemen.

  • wowww.. i am watching guiliani chris wallace interview. Chris actually came in support of Hillary’s tax plan.. CRAZY..

  • AmericanGal

    Interesting look at the actual power of the Culinary Workers Union in NV by Marc Ambinder. This endorsement may not have as much benefit to Obama as claimed due to many members not being registered voters/US citizens…

    marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

  • lninla

    what is the world coming to that Tweety is actually objective about Hillary and her policies?!

  • terrondt

    i know this has been mentioned before but i still can’t really get a rational answer on why some haters hate hillary on the left or right. im mean reasons, she should have left him after monica, i hate bill so i hate hillary, she is pro corperate and shrill. some just say i don’t like her period. no reason given. i don’t get it. maybe they just don’t like the fact she is her own woman and strong. some people can’t handle that. maybe jealous becuase they are not as successful as she is. i sensed this about elizabeth edwards months ago. god bess her and he personal plight but she has somthing against hillary as well. people should worry about there own lives and stop hatin on hillary.

  • dot48

    sorry if already asked but can nv caucusers register the day of caucus or has registration stoppedwhile

  • pulchritude

    Hillary is making the economic arguments South Carolinians want to her in Columbia, SC. If she fights for those votes, she can win that state.

  • lninla

    terrondt – re: haters -this is years of Republican branding. It’s like the knee jerk reactions one has when you think of Tide or Disneyland – they each have a brand, and the Republicans have been perpetuating these falsehoods about Hillary for years, and continue to do so anonymously and online with those Facebook democrats who have no idea they’re being misled. It makes no sense other than this kind “branding and advertising” that kids who don’t remember the Clintons would have these impressions. It’s got to be countered by strong online presence as well. Democrats failed to build an infrastructure to counter the attacks of the Right Wing.

  • dot48

    If tweety is being objective it is the first time .. don’t worry it will be short lived and he’ll be stoopid again very soon.

  • Emjay

    Yo…. Brit Hume debunks the BO camp’s MLK & Fairytale claims of “race baiting” . Even Kristol agrees. Only Juan Williams pushing back a little, and he brings up the memo laying out the plan to lay racism on the Clintons. On Fox Sunday.

  • Berkeley Vox

    GREAT diary today on DKos, DemAC. 175 reader comments and counting. Seems to have caused quite a stir.

  • dot48

    where is that memo they are talking about on fox?

  • AmericanGal

    Sheesh, Edwards is defending Obama this morning against Hillary/MLK…what a jerk. I can’t stand this guy! I guess we all know how the NV debate is going to go this week…another pair up vs Hillary.

    Hillary live on CNN again….

  • DemAC

    Thanx Berkeley Vox! It was my very first diary so I just tried to be as matter-of-fact as possible. But the Obamalamas didn’t seem to appreciate it though. 😉

  • dot48

    brit hume looking at williams like he is off the reservation

  • Emjay

    Dot48

    I am wondering the same thing about the memo. They said it came out yesterday.

  • dot48

    edwards is dying for the offer of vp from obama…you can see where this is headed. edwards is so unknown to me now, in 04 I was his supporter. He has turned ugly and angry — where could that possibly take the country

  • lninla

    DemAC – I read diary – excellent!

  • Paula

    It was Chris Wallace being fair to Hillary, not Chris Mattews, lol.

  • lninla

    where is the RACISM-BAITING memo being pushed by the Obama campaign? smoking gun anyone?

  • dot48

    yes….that memo needs to be posted and Hillary camp needs to get at it. I could tell few from Fox are seeing through the empty suit…that memo must be sobering,

    Williams sounds like my brother … he won’t accept the truth

  • Sittin Bull

    I recommend this http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com for reading. Her latest post is related to indefensible press coverage of the Clintons. Digby has been very even-handed through this.

  • Jaz

    Here is the memo distributed by the obama camp:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-campaign-memo-_n_81220.html

    Or is there another?

  • terrondt

    williams is not even a dem. he is allways railing against hillary. to my surprize brit hume is very fair to hillary. hume is very conservative.

  • pulchritude

    Here is a copy of the full SC memo:

    Subject: MUST READ: Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons

    SHUCK AND JIVE

    Clinton Supporter Andrew Cuomo, Referring To Obama, Said “You Can’t Shuck
    And Jive At A Press Conference. All Those Moves You Can Make With The Press
    Don’t Work When You’re In Someone’s Living Room.” Clinton-supporting New
    York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said the thing that’s great about New
    Hampshire is that you have to go out and meet people rather than “shuck and
    jive” through press conferences there. Cuomo said of New Hampshire on an
    Albany radio station: “It’s not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can’t buy
    your way into it. You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference. All those
    moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living
    room.” [Newsday, 1/11/08]

    MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON

    Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising “False Hope” Said That While MLK
    Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One
    Who Got Legislation Passed: “It Took A President To Get It Done.” Clinton
    rejoined the running argument over hope and “false hope” in an interview in
    Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox’s Major Garrett that while Martin Luther
    King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the
    one who got the legislation passed. Hillary was asked about Obama’s
    rejoinder that there’s something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes
    as false, and that it doesn’t jibe with the careers of figures like John F.
    Kennedy and King. “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President
    Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Clinton said. “It took a president to
    get it done.” [Politico, 1/7/08; Video]

    Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton
    introducer: “If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the
    other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of
    hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his
    work and got the republicans to pass all those measures.” [HRC, Dover, NH,
    1/7/08] AUDIO ATTACHED

    NELSON MANDELA

    Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. “I
    have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the
    last hundred years. […] I go to Nelson Mandela’s birthday party every year
    and we’re still very close. […] But if you said to me, ‘You’ve got one last
    job for your country but it’s hazardous and you may not get out with life
    and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I’ll let you take one
    other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never
    blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions […] I would
    pick Hillary.'” [ABC News, 1/7/08; Audio]

    DRUG USE

    Clinton’s NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said
    It Would “Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter.” Clinton’s
    Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen’s Comments
    And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He “Deeply Regret[s] The
    Comments.” The Democratic presidential race took on a decidedly nasty and
    personal turn, with the New Hampshire co-chair for Clinton, raising the
    youthful drug use of Obama. Shaheen said Obama’s having been so open — as
    opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use
    during his 2000 presidential campaign — will “open the door to further
    queries on the matter. It’ll be, ‘When was the last time? Did you ever give
    drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'” Shaheen said. “There are so
    many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It’s hard to overcome.” By the
    end of the day, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a
    statement asserting that “these comments were not authorized or condoned by
    the campaign in any way.” And Shaheen himself issued a statement: “I deeply
    regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the
    campaign in any way.” [ABC News, 12/12/07]

    Mark Penn, In Trying To Defend His Campaign Over Bill Shaheen’s Obama Drug
    Use Comments, Used The Word “Cocaine,” Drawing A Rebuke From Edwards Adviser
    Joe Trippi. Mark Penn, defending the Clinton campaign in light of Bill
    Shaheen’s comments about Obama’s drug use, repeatedly referenced Obama’s
    cocaine use. Edwards adviser Joe Trippi accused Penn of dropping the word
    “cocaine” deliberately. Mark Penn said “Well, I think we have made clear
    that the — the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the
    campaign was in any way raising. And I think that has been made clear. I
    think this kindergarten thing was a joke after Senator.” Joe Trippie
    responded and said “I think he just did it again. He just did it again. …
    This guy’s been filibustering on this. He just said cocaine again.”
    [Politico, 12/13/07; Video]

    FAIRY TALE

    Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A “Fairy Tale”
    And Said “It’s An Insult… As An African-American” And That His Tone And
    Words Are “Very Depressing.” Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
    insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a “fairy tale” and said “I
    could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn’t
    take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It’s time that they regroup. Figure
    out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
    like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
    many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
    tale, calling him as he did last week. It’s an insult. And I will tell you,
    as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
    … I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
    States senator.” [Politico, 1/8/08]

    Amaya Smith
    South Carolina Press Secretary
    Obama for America

  • TheRealist

    OB touts his EXPERIENCE?!?!?!

    thepage.time.com/obama-camp-memo-on-obamas-senate-record-responding-to-clinton-on-mtp/

    It’s actually pretty funny…

  • there.. edwards double tagging hillary..

    blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/01/13/maybe-edwards-really-does-prefer-obama.aspx

    I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Reverend Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician. I fundamentally disagree with that. Those who believe that real change starts with Washington politicians have been in Washington too long and are living in a fairy tale.

  • mj

    “I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Reverend Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician.” How the hell are Obama/Edwards getting away with this?

  • dot48

    well this is just a bunch of hooey without the real context of everything said. it shows that obama camp wants to go down the racial divide. he’s cherry picking and trying to bait people.

    Hillary camp needs to send out their own memo highlighting the REAL context of everything said.

    The drug use is out there..he admitted it and time will tell how deep it was. Mrs. Clinton apologized and fired the person….BUT THEY are still bringing it up.

  • S

    American Gal – when I hear that dynasty thing…basically I say…

    “that was then, this is now, that was him, this is her…that was the 1990’s, this is the beginning of the 21st century…the times have changed, the country has changed and the issues have changed

    …and Hillary has the experience to meet the changes to bring our country successfully into the 21st century” when I am talking to someone who is undecided I say “Give her a chance….four years in our country’s history is a small investment to give her a chance…she’s smart, prepared, compassionate and she is ready to lead”

    Ininla – I think Chris Matthews is modulating a bit because he is feeling the ‘heat’ from the Media Matters and other blogs that have initiated a letter writing campaign in disgust of his constant insults and misogynist treatment towards Hillary…yesterday his ugly behavior was the topic of many blogs and many comments…when MSNBC is losing viewers to FOX because of Matthews and the head honchos at MSNBC and GE contacts are hearing about it…someone will get the message to him to check himself in the future

    …btw, when leaving comments at other sites I think it is important to keep stressing that O has not been vetted and the press must do their job and vet him now during the primary season not LATER if he is in the general election and site examples of issues to be vetted…also let’s keep trying to call in on c-span on washington journal…the obama people are more organized and they are getting their talking points in regularly and barbs at Hillary…especially on this race issue

    …today is a great day for us…Hillary looks so confident and prepared…she looks and sounds ready to step into the oval office from day one…ironically for the press that dislikes her so much and claims no access…well now that she is accessible…makes me think…be careful what you wish for…because she blows them away…

  • emkay

    I am always upset to see so many responses and replies to articles and blogs that are obviously from Hillary-haters. It’s like there really is a conspiracy to reply to as many as possible to make people believe she is universally hated. We have to get with it and post quick pro-Hillary responses!

  • dot48

    edwards wants Obama/Edwards. It’ll never fly and he’ll be pissed on and feel the real sting.

  • folks.. if you liked fox news with chris wallace, please write to him, and do mention that you are hillary supporter. they would be PLEASED to hear from us, and actually we have an obligation to do so too.. since they have been the fairest among all three major network channels wrt hillary vs other dems.

  • mj

    Maybe Edwards thinks Obama can’t win, and that he can come back and run again? I really don’t get his strategy here/ Is he just obsessed with destroying Hillary?

  • Jaz

    Edwards is attacking Clinton to get the black vote. (which i doubt he will get anyway).

    Secondly Clinton has growing support with low-income trade union members which is the Edwards base support.

  • meiyingsu

    I think people in NV are more interested in economic than a comment on MLK. Both of Edwards and BHO are losing so they bring up MLK comment for distraction.

  • lninla

    I rarely buy into conspiracy theories, but I will forward this one because I’ve seen what right wing organizations like Focus on the Family have the infrastructure to do- I sincerely believe there are right-wing organizations hiring people to sit at their computer stations and troll around liberal websites planting hatred and vitriol and falsehoods about Hillary.

    Huffington Post – subheadliner that NYT has truncated for the 3rd time Hillary’s words on MLK – HOORAY – did someone wake up and discover the Huffpost Editor was rabidly anti-Clinton and fire them?

  • terrondt

    gladiatorstail, up until 2007 i never really cared for foxnew but now i dvr foxnews speacial report every night. the only person on the roundtable i cannot stand is fred barnes of the weekly standard fame.

  • dot48

    I’m not ready to cheerlead for Chris Wallace or Fox news. Listen to Barnes and Kondracke. Hume also IMO has not been all that fair to Hillary. What fair they are showing now is to shove it to MSNBC to make them look even more laughable (if possible) Believe me I have watched them long enough to know they despise Hillary over God knows what.

    That is the shock of this — most people cannot tell you why they don’t like her. It goes to constant media bashing back to early 90’s. Media knew then she was smart enough to lead and to fear.

  • Emjay

    Well DemAc

    You really raised blood pressures, didn’t you?

    Looks like if one posts a real challage on that site, one had better have a bunker and keep yelling “Incoming” .

  • mj

    I can not believe Obama is using race in this election. This is very damaging to the Party, and indeed whomever runs against Hillary in the GE or, god forbid she doesn’t win, her next senate run in the diverse state of NY. Hillary is anything but racist. She has the most diverse staff of anyone running for President, including Obama. This is extremely disappointing.

  • Instead of quoting everything I’ve gathered, please read my SW article on BHO and his “new politics”. It’s enlightening. Nothing is off the table with this guy when it comes to his ambition to win at any cost.

    sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama/%22new_politics%22

  • DemAC

    lninla,
    Thanx!

    Emjay,
    Yep, one better buckle up, sit tight and keep the power dry.

  • torrentd.. and more importantly dot48,

    i have watched fox news long enough to know their hillary hate :).. i know history of their journalists all the way back to o’rielly and chris wallace as a meek reporters at network TV’s. :).. but my point is, we know what they are. we know they are conservatives. getting fair coverage from them is tougher than getting fair coverage from liberal media, which isnt being the case this time around. look at keith obermann, the liberal icon of todays cable TV (icon is overhyped here), but look at his coverage on Hillary. take chris mathews, take folks on CNN. all i am saying is, if we like specific instances of how they have approached to an issue, we should give them credit. and I think they have been doing it very often recently. you might be one of those wanting a pattern, but hey they are opponents. if they praise hillary and others, then whats their market?

  • DemAC

    BTW: this site is evidently mighty popular among the Kossacks. Said a fair and balanced commenter at DailyKos:

    no excusing required…
    …when i see a site that perpetuates lies and filthy propaganda and requests its readers spread it to other web-sites on behalf of a presidential candidate, attacking the other two, i will call it as is…if edwards and obama have a site that sucks the shit from the bottom of cesspool of propaganda and lies such as hillary44 does on behalf of its candidate, let me and the others know…

    but, you can’t find one with the wide-acceptance and with the legions of dense mindless drones who spread its message into every nook and cranny of the internet….

    😀

  • DemAC, let the nutkooks drown in their own slimy drool!

  • mj

    Does anyone know if Hill took questions in SC today?

  • demac… ROFLMAO.. we are on watch list of quiet a few others including wapo, watimes, nytimes, politico, kossacks, mydders and many many others, you have no clue how many of them are craving to get identities of posters and admin of this site 🙂

  • pulchritude

    yes, she did.

  • pulchritude

    hillary did answer questions in columbia.

  • Kingsgrove

    *Rachel Sklar nails it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/13/right-and-in-context-is_n_81238.html

    Right, And In Context. Is That Too Much To Ask? Or Is It Just A Fairytale?

    by Rachel Sklar | January 13, 2008 01:40 PM

    ——————————————————————————–

    I think my greatest pet peeve in this industry is watching people report news without context. Context isn’t just important, it’s everything — especially in these days of insta-pickup by blogs and online news sites, where just a snippet of text is enough to launch a million clicks.

    You’d think that in the case of this election, where the race is tight and a nasty rumor or smear can make all the difference, people might want to be a bit careful. Alas, no. Case in point: The conflagration over Bill Clinton’s “Fairytale” comment, made on January 7th at Dartmouth College, before the New Hampshire primary, but exploding over the past few days as an issue of race. Yes, race — that scary third rail of politics around which everyone tiptoes — suddenly an issue around a comment made by a guy once known as “America’s First Black President.” Wow – he must have said something pretty bad. What was it?

    Here’s the quote, which was part of a larger comment on Obama’s representation of his Iraq war position:

    “It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, numerating the years, and never got asked one time, not once, ‘Well, how could you say, that when you said in 2004 you didn’t know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you’re now running on off your website in 2004 and there’s no difference in your voting record and Hillary’s ever since?’ Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen.”

    Wow, strong words — but unequivocally pertaining to Obama’s Iraq war position. Pretty clear cut, right?

    Ha, as if. Here’s what it morphed into in the media: BILL CLINTON CALLS OBAMA’S MESSAGE OF HOPE AND INSPIRATION A FAIRYTALE! HE THINKS OBAMA’S DREAM FOR BLACK AMERICA IS A FAIRYTALE!

    I kid you not. Some examples:

    *New York Times, Jan. 11th: “[Former President Clinton] described Mr. Obama’s campaign narrative as a fairy tale.”
    *The Politico, Jan 11th: “…Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama’s image in the media as a ‘fairy tale'”
    *BreitbartTV, Jan. 8th, which hosted the full clip yet chose to headline it in the most inflammatory (and inaccurate) way possible: “Bill Clinton Fumes About Obama: ‘Biggest Fairy Tale I’ve Ever Seen'”
    *Same NYT article, quoting someone else incorrectly framing the comment: “[Rep. James E. Clyburn (D-SC)] saw the remark as a slap at the image of a black candidate running on a theme of unity and optimism. “To call that dream a fairy tale, which Bill Clinton seemed to be doing, could very well be insulting to some of us.”
    *Maureen Dowd, NYT, Jan 9th: “Bill churlishly dismissed the Obama phenom as ‘the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen.'”
    *Donna Brazile on CNN, Jan. 8th: “For him to go after Obama, using a fairy tale, calling him as he did last week. It’s an insult. And I will tell you, as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.”

    Here’s what I find to be very depressing: When someone’s words are taken deliberately out of context and blasted across the headlines to make them sound like a racist. That, to me, is despicable. Whether all of the above sources did so deliberately isn’t clear (Breitbart obviously did, the NYT and Politico ought to have been more specific and accurate, who knows where Clyburn and Brazile got their information) — but at this point, the misinformation is out there, so much so that Clinton had to call into Al Sharpton’s show to explain himself. (“When did you stop beating your wife, sir?”)

    It’s up to the media to be on top of these things — especially when they’re reporting on it. For the New York Times to report that Clinton “described Mr. Obama’s campaign narrative as a fairy tale” is a completely egregious error of fact. For the Politico to say that Clinton called Obama’s “image in the media” a fairytale is equally egregious. Ditto Maureen Dowd saying that the fairytale in question was the “Obama phenom.” (And, by the way, the fact that all three of these characterizations are different should have been the first tip-off). For Rep. James Clyburn to say that Clinton was calling the dream of unity a fairytale, for Brazile to say he called Obama the fairytale, in an “insult” that she reacted to “as an African-American” — well, now, that brings it to a whole new and very scary level.

    Think about where Clinton started. Now think about where that remark has ended up. Wow, if people weren’t careful about what they said about Obama before, I bet they sure will be now. I’d just like to see the media be as careful about what they say about the Clintons.

  • Paula

    mj, Edwards can’t stand Hillary; remember, after Iowa, he claimed Hillary was finished. The Tuesday debate will be just like the last one. I’m not worried because she can take care of herself.

    Edwards doesn’t give a shit if he misrepresents what Hillary said.

  • DemAC

    B Merryfield,
    Yeah, but I sort of liked the image of us as “the legions of dense mindless drones”. And that this is coming from people whining over “racial subtexts” and “hidden doscourse” – now that’s Hillaryous!

  • DemAC

    “hidden discourse”

  • pulchritude

    Hillary is also engaging with the public in SC. Read this report:

    firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/13/574196.aspx

    I quote:

    “COLUMBIA, S.C. — If you’re looking for a good picture to illustrate the ‘New Hillary’– look at how Clinton acted after Meet the Press. She was greeted by supporters as she left the studio here where the show was taped, and she took a detour on the way to her car to reach through the iron gate to shake hands. After a few seconds, she gestured and said “I’ll come around” and walked out onto the sidewalk to continue greeting people.

    People on the street were surprised. ‘I can’t believe that just happened!’ commented one volunteer in a Hillary T-shirt said, looking at the hand Clinton was shaking.”

  • S

    Dot 48 – I agree with your point…for Fox it is a way to make MSNBC look even worse…

    and re:…the Hillary bash is to brainwash and manipulate the public against Hillary because they all know privately that she is extremely smart, prepared, funny and yes, LIKEABLE…the secret is out…Hillary is really nice, not the wicked witch and cartoon character they have tried to create…and the more exposure she gets the more people will see it and LIKE her…

    whenever I hear the media go on about how half the country doesn’t like her, I always say well the other half does and the more they get to know her for themselves, the more people will change their minds for Hillary in a positive way…

    O continues using the race card at his own peril…he begins to look whiny and overly sensitive…if he can’t take any criticism how in the world will he survive the ‘punches’ Hillary has endured…they can dish it out but they can’t take it

  • Paula

    Wow, that Rachel Sklar piece hits the nail on the head.

    Of course, this is only the 100th time Bill Clinton has been misquoted since the campaign started.

  • mj

    Paula, they say a debate takes a week to set in. On debate night, I thought Edwards did well(though, clearly I don’t like him). But, after a few days, all I could remember was this southern, white male wagging his finger at Hillary and condemning her as the status quo. I think he killed his campaign in that moment.

  • Paula

    mj, I agree. And Obama was definitely hurt by the “you’re likable enough” slap at Hillary.

  • terrondt

    hillfans, i just commented on the south carolina politics today blog how disgraceful the obama camp is injecting race against the clintons. i stated the clintons civil rights record is among the best this side of lyndon johnson. let me say this. im dissapointed in rep clyburn. why did he and brazille did no take the time to read and listen to both hillary’s and bill’s entire text of thier comments before they downed them?

  • Paula

    I wonder if the voters are beginning to tune out the media idiocy and making up their own minds. That seemed to happen in NH at least.

  • mj

    terrondt, it’s really disturbing to me that Obama would go down that sad road. That’s not healthy for the Party.

  • terrondt

    paula, yeah right. hillary is finished at winning nh with 39% compared to phoney’s 17%. who is finished now? sadly, i hope edwards stick around through super tuesday but i really can’t see how he makes it.

  • DemAC, right back at them. Guess where the phrase “legions of mindless drones” comes from?

    A sci-fi forum called “Return of the Dude”. I’m not kidding. Says it all.

    http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=17502&page=2

    Scroll down to “Chapter 41: The Tomb of the Stewards”

  • dot48

    Hillary just won the MOST ADMIRED contest.

  • mj

    dot48 Says:

    January 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
    Hillary just won the MOST ADMIRED contest.

    Huh?

  • HillaryforTexas

    Hey, guys, Hillary’s “swain” who proposed to her in LA yesterday has put his version of it up on youtube.

    Too funny!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLdt0_iuY4

  • terrondt

    admin, funny video. lol, i love my wife so i can’t go there.lol. i thinks hillary beats me by 22 years, not as though it makes a difference. great video to break the tension we are feeling all over again. the goodnews sc is 2 weeks away. hopefully hillary can win nevada next saturday. keeo the winning streak going. let’s not forget michigan.

  • DemAC

    B Merryfield,
    A bunch of teenage trekkers… why am I not surprised?

  • dot48

    I just posted link. It must be in spam. End of December it was revealed she was voted the most admired woman for the 6th straight year. She keeps beating Oprah.

    Look at christianpost . com

  • DemAC, I’ve learned that the quickest way to pinpoint where someone is coming from is to take their words and see where they come from. Like BHO, most are mimics.

  • HillaryforTexas

    S – I think the media portrayal of her actually helps her. They turn her into such a witch, that when people begin to bother look at her and her personality, and her record, they quite literally do a double take. I know I did. They start saying. “Hey…waaaaait a minute…..she is NOTHING like what they said!”

    And then they start to doubt all the rest of things they have been so “sure of” about Hillary. And then the curtain gets pulled back and the whole house of Big Media cards so carefully constructed by the Beltway Boys comes tumbling down….

  • jr

    Haha. Bob Johnson, founder of BET just smacked Obama. Go to cnn, under politics to see his comment.

  • S

    HillaryforTexas. – I agree…this new ‘roll out’ is the best thing she could have done…the more the better

  • DemAC

    B Merryfield,
    Clever! Google before retort!

    I thought perhaps “legions of dense mindless drones” was one of Mark Penn’s groups from “Microtrends”…

    😉

  • Paula

    jr, But leave it up to CNN to have a misleading headline about what Bob Johnson said. Geez.

  • Paula

    The media is friggin’ pathetic.

  • hehe good.. bob johnson is awesomely smart.. ooooohhhh bwak is again back pontificating, this time in a church.

  • Paula

    BTW, I have a link to the MTP transcript which is caught in the spam filter. I read it, and Russert was typically awful. Hillary did more than hold her own, however. 🙂

  • DemAC, yes. always. My super-intelligent-smarter-than-his-mother-sometimes son picked up on BHO’s speech pattern coming straight out of MLK’s speeches. He’s a mimic. Just wish I had the time to dissect his speeches and compare/contrast and write a mega-blog posting on what a phony he is all the way around.

  • Kingsgrove

    Russert looked a bit ill from start to finish, don’t you think?

    Hillary, on the other hand, was on top of her game as always.

  • Emjay

    Just heard again that our girl ‘finally’ started answering questions at her New Ham appearances.

    Horse plops! She’s been taking questions since mid-September at least.

    I attended 4 of her appearances in Iowa. The JJ Dinner and Senator Harkin’s steak fry were not well suited to taking questions after each speech; but she came all the way up to the peanut gallery to greet supporters, pose for hundreds of photos, sign autographs and answer questions way after midnight at the JJ Dinner.

    At the steak fry, she did her own unique version of the rope line: she moves slowly, greets people, answers questions, signs autographs AND copies of her book, hugs people and as always, posed for hundreds of pictures.

    BTW Obama did none of the above…at the steak fry, he rented a piece of land, held a rally w/ his supporters and the whole band of them MARCHED across the highway, stopping traffic on a major state hwy, to the fairgrounds chanting in unison, and was the last to arrive at the party. It was more of a staged dramatic entrance led by chanting, blissful children.

    Now for the other two HRC appearances, 300-350 people each: she gave long, detailed presentations, about 50 minutes and spent the same amount of time answering questions from the room. After that she did her drawn out rope line, w/ pictures, autographs, individuals’ questions. and hugs. She then made herself available to the media and answered press questions for about 15 minutes. Lastly, she came back to the stage and met with about 12-15 of us (with special nametags, heh heh) and stayed with us, more signing, photos, hugs, etc., and answering personal policy questions til her staff literally pulled her out the door.

  • Question – does anyone have an idea of where we can find a C-SPAN taping of program?

    Back on September 29, 2007, I watched a session from the Congressional Black Caucus’s annual legislative conference with Artur Davis, Donna Brazile, etc., on the future of black politics. This is an annual session lead by Davis but this one was particularly interesting.

    “Breaking the Glass Ceiling: Rep. Artur Davis (D-AL) hosts a panel discussion on the future of Black Politics. Journalists and political strategists look at the impact of Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) presidential campaign. The event is part of the Congressional Black Caucus’s 37th Annual Legislative Conference, being held in Washington, D.C.”

    Unfortunately, I was staying in a hotel room and couldn’t tape it. I don’t want to say what I heard discussed, but just let’s say it was “enlightening” to say the least.

    Ideas?

  • OkieAtty

    There are several reasons Bwak is playing the race card.

    1. He can get away with it. Folks are too PC is addressing his obvious abuse of his race as a crutch with which to beat other candidates when he gets in trouble. You say something- you’re a racist and prove their point. You don’t- you’re a racist and your silence proves it. The MSM needs to grow a pair and out this meme. for what it is- political gamesmanship predicated on a complete absence of principles and respect for issues. It’s the political version of the Johnny Cochran defense of “Look at the fuzzy monkey. Not the gloves…the fuzzy monkey.” (and no, this is not a racial comment, it’s based upon a comedy skit on TV about 8 years ago)

    2. SC is Bwak’s firewall. He is pandering to the lowest common denominator instead of addressing real issues affecting voters. Piss them off at a perceived slight from a common enemy (or in this case a straw man with a Hillary mask) and detract from her real record for racial equality. A Rovian tactic. This is the real Swiftboating in this race. If Bwak loses SC, he loses everywhere else and inevitability will rule the day on 2/5/08. He needs another bounce. And soon.

    3. It diverts attention from Rezco. Same with the crappy endorsements. The folks endorsing him this week are in bed with either Daschle or have received money from HopePac. Just out of curiosity, has Bwak ever bought anything for full price besides his house (*snark*)?

    Anyhow, I stand by my assertion I will vote for any GOP candidate over Bwak.

    BTW- Hillary did well this morning on MTP. Timmeh is a tool of mythic proportions. I am concerned about his health, however, since he looked like he was about to have a heart attack. Maybe Bill can give him the number of a good cardiologist.

  • pulchritude

    http://www.fortmilltimes.com/24hour/politics/story/3787259p-13318496c.html

    This article offers some insight into the political dynamics of SC.

  • Just rewatched Hillary on MTP and it will amze me how anyone watching can not see her as the best canidate. When O does this type of interview it is all hope and change will no specifics.
    link to watch Hillary on MTP

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22636041#22636041

  • S

    O is on cnn now…don’t want to repeat myself…he is a ‘preacher’ out of the television evangelist Creflo Dollar style…that is the style he evokes…imo

  • [ begin rant ] This ‘dynasty’ thing is such nonsense it makes me furious! I usually just post about ‘the Clinton team’ … ‘in the Clinton team’s first admnistration (1990s)’ etc.

    Bill and Hillary were just two students who volunteered for McGovern in 72 and later got married. A ‘dynasty’ is like the Kennedys (3 generatons) or the Bushes (two generations). (If Chelsea goes into politics later they’d have a point. 🙂

    Anyway, the name thing is smoke. The real continuity is that the same Nixon people (Cheney etc) have been electing puppets for decades (Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr). They’ll probably pull out a new puppet at the last minute as they did Bush Jr, claiming he’s new and clean….

    I’m tempted to call Cheney etc “the real dynasty”….

  • HillaryforTexas

    Let’s go back in the wayback machine, and look at just one of Bill Clinton’s struggles for minorities and progressive values.

    He tried to appoint an Asian American to the Justice Dept to handle civil rights enforcement. The Republican Congress fought him tooth and nail. The reason? Nothing to do with qualifications. It was because the nominee in question had a history of supporting affirmative action. That was their beef. They had already blocked dozens and dozens of Clinton appointments for similar ideological reasons.

    This time, Clinton would not back down. He ended up doing a recess appt. At which point, the Republicans hurled THIS accusation at him:

    Nevertheless, Mr. Hatch chided the president for backing a nominee who, he said, failed to ”bring all sides together in our efforts to advance the cause of civil rights.” Mr. Hatch added that ”the timing of this decision serves as further evidence of what we have come to know is true: The Clinton-Gore White House is intent on dividing our people rather than uniting us for the common good.”

    So in the eyes of the Republicans, even the famously “centrist and triangulating” Bill Clinton was screamed at and branded PARTISAN AND DIVISIVE anytime he fought to get anything progressive done.

    This is an old trick by them. If you are losing, or on the verge of losing, START BEATING THE KUMBAYAH UNITY DRUM. It is what they have ALWAYS done. It is their PATTERN. Learn some freaking political HISTORY.

    The Republicans know they are on the brink of losing big in November. So why oh why oh why are we even CONSIDERING the candidate who is now joining them in that same old “unity song” that they always bleat when they are beaten? Just how stupid ARE Democrats? Honestly?

    This is what we are dealing with people. Wake up.

    query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CE7DF143CF937A3575BC0A9669C8B63

  • Paula

    OkieAtty, Great post.

    BTW, my link to the MTP transcript never showed up.

    I think rjk1957 is admin’s favorite, lol. (hehe) 🙂

  • Paula

    There were several things that struck me about the MTP interview. One was that Russert was so shocked that Hillary would dare try to criticize Obama’s message, as if we should automatically agree that someone who says he’s going to unify the country should be handed the nomination for that reason alone. There really is very little rational behavior going on right now.

  • Paula

    No president has ever united the country. Even hardcore conservatives hated FDR, for example.

  • Obama trying to buy Senior citizen’s votes. He released his economic stimulus package today which includes a temporary supplement of $250 to those on SS

  • Sorry I seem to be in rant mode this morning. Does SC, like Iowa and NH, divide its delegates among the viable candidates? In Iowa iirc it came out Obama got 16 delegates, Hillary got 15, Edwards got 14 (or something like that). In NH H and O each got 9.

    Delegate-wise these have all been ties. Vote-count-wise H and O are within the margin of error.

    The media and Obama like to make it sound like each state was winner take all (as most in Nov elections really are).

    If SC divides theirs, then why in the world would Hillary not go in there and get her share of delegates (even if it were a delegate or two less than O’s)? Why take zero instead of half?

  • Big Tent Democrat at TalkLeft:

    Barack Obama responded to Hillary Clinton’s MTP appearance by proving he indeed is a rough and tumble political fighter, not for Democratic values, but for himself:

    . . . Sen. Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn’t make the statement. I haven’t remarked on it . . . the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous

    Stop right there. Obama’s campaign in fact has pushed this talk for days now. Obama is being misleading at best and mendacious at worst. But he is just a pol fighting for his own political fortunes. Then Obama misleads on what happened on MTP today:
    I have to point out that instead of telling the American people about her positive vision for America, Sen. Clinton spent an hour talking about me and my record in a way that was flat-out wrong.

    Tim Russert spent an hour asking questions about you, Senator. How is that Senator Clinton’s fault? Very misleading of Obama. Again Obama the political fighter for his own cause emerges. Finally, Obama is not honest when he says:

    …She suggested that I didn’t clearly and unambiguously oppose the war in Iraq when it is absolutely clear and anyone who has followed this knows that I did.

    The exact opposite is true. From 2005 until the middle of 2007, Barack Obama opposed all attempts to impose timelines or restrictions on President Bush and he opposed efforts to not fund the Iraq Debacle. What is unambiguous is Senator Obama supported the Iraq Debacle from 2005 until the summer of 2007. I have followed this closely and I KNOW this to be true. Of course the Clinton record on Iraq is just as bad in that time period. The point is Barack Obama has not led on opposing the Iraq Debacle either. It is misleading of Senator Obama to act as if he was leading the charge against the Iraq Debacle while he was in the Senate. The opposite is true. He was one of those denigrating efforts to end the war. “Not play chicken with the troops” ring a bell? It was not just Republicans who said that — it was also Senator Barack Obama. Now what Obama is doing is typical Washington politics. And indeed he is a Washington pol, just like Senator Clinton. Can he fight politically like this for Democratic values? For progressive ideas? That remains to be seen.

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/13/155759/094

  • Paula, I was having the same problem you have to leave http:// off links to get them posted. just use www. or blog etc…

  • Paula

    H4T, Part of it is because some Dems really think Hillary is too polarizing too win, and they’re looking for a fresh alternative. They’re tired of fighting the GOP, and they’ve convinced themselves Obama really can be different.

  • Paula just use www. on links

  • pulchritude

    SC is a proportional primary with 54 delegates.

  • Super! There are “Women for Hillary” signs in the SC crowd for her speech….I haven’t see those before…

    I bet we see some women carrying signs that say “Iron my vote!”

  • Paula

    rjk1957, I did a cut and paste of the URL. Maybe that wasn’t enough.

  • pulchritude

    45 are allocated proportionally based on the candidates’ performance in the primary. 29 of these are allocated based on each candidates’ performance in the state’s six congressional districts, while the remaining 16 are allocated based on their performance statewide. the remaining 8 are determined at the state’s democratic convention on 3 May.

  • Paual every time I use the http it does not post

  • or it will post a few hours later

  • pulchritude

    There are also many Teachers for Hillary signs and stickers in SC. Educators form the core of Hillary’s base in SC.

  • pulchritude

    and the primary in SC is an open primary. 53 delegates total, 45 of which will be determined on the 26th.

  • Kingsgrove

    *Bob Johnson’s Obama smackdown:

    http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/01/13/bet-founder-clinton-backer-insulted-by-obamas-mlk-spin/

    January 13th, 2008 2:02 PM Eastern

    BET Founder, Clinton backer “insulted” by Obama’s MLK spin
    by Aaron Bruns

    Billionaire Clinton backer Bob Johnson, who founded Black Entertainment Television, said he’s “a little bit insulted, if you will, by Senator Obama letting his campaign imply that Hillary Clinton does not revere what Martin Luther King did for African Americans.”

    “I think that’s taking it way too far,” he said while campaigning with Clinton in South Carolina. “I think Barack understands clearly what the senator was saying.”

    Johnson argued that when Clinton said it took action by President Lyndon Johnson to realize the dream of Martin Luther King, she was merely saying that moral change has to be written into law. “That is the way the legislative process works in this nation. And that takes political leadership,” he said.

    Johnson said the controversy in the black community wouldn’t hurt Sen Clinton in South Carolina, and suggested it might actually hurt her chief rival. “Nobody believes either Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton would say anything that would denigrate either Barack Obama or Martin Luther King. And to me, what may happen is a backlash may occur when people see that Barack Obama is allowing his PR people to let out the notion that Hillary Clinton did not respect everything that Dr. Martin Luther King or any other person who faced the problems and the threats of being a part of the civil rights movement faced. “

    “And to me, Barack knows better than that. And why he would let his people let that come out just shows to me either he’s not in control of what they’re saying, or he’s allowing them to say it knowing he’s wrong.”

    UPDATE: Introducing Senator Clinton in Columbia, SC, Johnson seemed to reference Sen Obama’s past drug use while talking about the Clintons’ long experience in the civil rights movement. “As an African American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won’t say what he was doing that he said it in his book,” he said.

    Obama admitted using drugs in his 1995 autobiography “Dreams From My Father.” A top New Hampshire adviser to the Clinton campaign was fired last month when he brought up that drug use in an interview.

    Johnson continued, “to say these two people would denigrate the accomplishments of civil rights marchers… and to expect us to now say we are attacking a black man? I mean, that kind of campaign behavior does not resonate with me, for a guy who says ‘I wanna be a reasonable, likeable, Sidney Portier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’?’ I’m thinking to myself, ‘this ain’t a movie Sydney, this is real life!’”

    Asked what Senator Clinton thought of a surrogate making a drug reference at one of her campaign events, Clinton Spokesman Jay Carson said “I don’t think that’s what he was referring to and her record on this issue is clear. She has made crystal clear to supporters and staff alike that no one should engage in negative personal campaigning.”

    UPDATE 2: The Clinton campaign released a statement from johnson disputing themedia characterization of his remarks. “My comments today were referring to Barack Obama’s time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect.

    “When Hillary Clinton was in her twenties she worked to provide protections for abused and battered children and helped ensure that children with disabilities could attend public school.

    That results oriented leadership — even as a young person — is the reason I am supporting Hillary Clinton.”

  • Kingsgrove

    embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/01/13/bet-founder-clinton-backer-insulted-by-obamas-mlk-spin/

    January 13th, 2008 2:02 PM Eastern

    BET Founder, Clinton backer “insulted” by Obama’s MLK spin
    by Aaron Bruns

    Billionaire Clinton backer Bob Johnson, who founded Black Entertainment Television, said he’s “a little bit insulted, if you will, by Senator Obama letting his campaign imply that Hillary Clinton does not revere what Martin Luther King did for African Americans.”

    “I think that’s taking it way too far,” he said while campaigning with Clinton in South Carolina. “I think Barack understands clearly what the senator was saying.”

    Johnson argued that when Clinton said it took action by President Lyndon Johnson to realize the dream of Martin Luther King, she was merely saying that moral change has to be written into law. “That is the way the legislative process works in this nation. And that takes political leadership,” he said.

    Johnson said the controversy in the black community wouldn’t hurt Sen Clinton in South Carolina, and suggested it might actually hurt her chief rival. “Nobody believes either Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton would say anything that would denigrate either Barack Obama or Martin Luther King. And to me, what may happen is a backlash may occur when people see that Barack Obama is allowing his PR people to let out the notion that Hillary Clinton did not respect everything that Dr. Martin Luther King or any other person who faced the problems and the threats of being a part of the civil rights movement faced. “

    “And to me, Barack knows better than that. And why he would let his people let that come out just shows to me either he’s not in control of what they’re saying, or he’s allowing them to say it knowing he’s wrong.”

    UPDATE: Introducing Senator Clinton in Columbia, SC, Johnson seemed to reference Sen Obama’s past drug use while talking about the Clintons’ long experience in the civil rights movement. “As an African American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won’t say what he was doing that he said it in his book,” he said.

    Obama admitted using drugs in his 1995 autobiography “Dreams From My Father.” A top New Hampshire adviser to the Clinton campaign was fired last month when he brought up that drug use in an interview.

    Johnson continued, “to say these two people would denigrate the accomplishments of civil rights marchers… and to expect us to now say we are attacking a black man? I mean, that kind of campaign behavior does not resonate with me, for a guy who says ‘I wanna be a reasonable, likeable, Sidney Portier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’?’ I’m thinking to myself, ‘this ain’t a movie Sydney, this is real life!’”

    Asked what Senator Clinton thought of a surrogate making a drug reference at one of her campaign events, Clinton Spokesman Jay Carson said “I don’t think that’s what he was referring to and her record on this issue is clear. She has made crystal clear to supporters and staff alike that no one should engage in negative personal campaigning.”

    UPDATE 2: The Clinton campaign released a statement from johnson disputing themedia characterization of his remarks. “My comments today were referring to Barack Obama’s time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect.

    “When Hillary Clinton was in her twenties she worked to provide protections for abused and battered children and helped ensure that children with disabilities could attend public school.

    That results oriented leadership — even as a young person — is the reason I am supporting Hillary Clinton.”

  • pulchritude Says:
    January 13th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
    SC is a proportional primary with 54 delegates.

    Thanks! So at worst, “Obama wins SC” would in reality mean at worst something like “O got 27 and H got 25”.

    This is a race for delegates, not for media puff. And refusing to campaign there would be taken as admission of guilt!

    Maybe instead of saying “H might lose SC” we should be saying “H will probably pick up 25 delegates in SC” (or whatever number matches the current poll).

  • Kingsgrove

    thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/bet-chief-raps-obama-in-sc/

    January 13, 2008, 2:39 pm
    BET Founder Slams Obama in South Carolina
    By Katharine Q. Seelye

    COLUMBIA, S.C. — Robert L. Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, who is campaigning today in South Carolina with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, just raised the specter of Barack Obama’s past drug use. He also compared Mr. Obama to Sidney Poitier, the black actor, in “Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.”

    At a rally here for Mrs. Clinton at Columbia College, Mr. Johnson was defending recent comments that

    Mrs. Clinton made regarding Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. She did not mean to take any credit away from him, Mr. Johnson said, when she said that it took President Johnson to sign the civil rights legislation he fought for.

    Dr. King had led a “moral crusade,” Mr. Johnson said, but such crusades have to be “written into law.”

    “That is the way the legislative process works in this nation and that takes political leadership,” he said. “That’s all Hillary was saying.”

    He then added: “And to me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood –­ and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book –­ when they have been involved.”

    Moments later, he added: “That kind of campaign behavior does not resonate with me, for a guy who says, ‘I want to be a reasonable, likable, Sidney Poitier ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner.’ And I’m thinking, I’m thinking to myself, this ain’t a movie, Sidney. This is real life.”

    A former Clinton campaign official in New Hampshire had to resign last month after he publicly suggested that Republicans would probably use Mr. Obama’s drug use in his youth, which he first wrote about in his memoirs, against him.

    We’ve reached out to the Obama campaign for a response.

    (There have been a lot more developments on the Clinton-Obama front today and we’ll be back with more in a bit.)

  • Jeralyn Merritt at TalkLeft writes that she sees JRE throwing his support to BHO.

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/13/142517/651

  • dot48

    I really believe that if Obama continues down this path this race will become racially divided and he woni’t like the outcome.

    Itis obvious to me that Obama wants to keep his “record” secret and the fact that he continues to dig up just absolute junk is going to fall flat soon. People want to know what you plan to do…not hear a nice speech.

    Hear now he comes with stimulus package…day late it seems. Hillary beat him again and he has to play catchup. I don’t want a president who can’t think on his feet and needs stimulus to create stimulus.

    You know that old saying the more you stir ….it stinks.

    He wants clear sailing out of SC with no vetting and I think the media is tiring of punching Hillary cause they see she just keeps fighting back. they’ll be onto him very soon, his honeymoon is going to be over

  • chaz356 – email me
    1950democrat -at- gmail.com

    Since the Other Sides are watching us now, is there a way we can be sure an email is legit?

  • AmericanGal

    The Obama camp has issued a “response”-

    SC Leader Calls Clinton’s Failure to Condemn Her Supporter’s Personal Attack “Offensive”

    COLUMBIA — Former State Representative “I.S.” Leevy Johnson of Columbia, one of the first three African-Americans elected to the South Carolina General Assembly after Reconstruction, today said it was “offensive” for Senator Clinton to stand silently while one of her surrogates launched a divisive and personal attack against Senator Obama:

    “It’s offensive that Senator Clinton literally stood by and said nothing as another one of her campaign’s top supporters launched a personal, divisive attack on Barack Obama,” said Johnson. “For someone who decries the politics of personal destruction, she should’ve immediately denounced these attacks on the spot.”

  • More from Democratic Daily on the BHO-Durbin hypocrisy on Iraq war votes.

    thedemocraticdaily.com/2008/01/13/durbins-hypocrisy/

  • dot48

    She should just start bringing up every little thing that any of his supporters say about her and turn the tables. This is getting boring and borderline childish. It will make people throw their hands up on the Democrat party and say *&)( them all.

    I’m feeling downright chilled by this stuff. I’d not support Obama or Edwards either one .. regardless.

    fight fire with fire is how it looks like it is going to have to be

  • Rep. GK Butterfield (D-NC), an Edwards supporter, switches to BHO because JRE can’t win.

    outsidereport.blogspot.com/2008/01/nc-congressman-switches-from-edwards-to.html

  • pulchritude

    I too am stunned by the tone of the rhetoric the Obama campaign is espousing in SC. In fact, I am appalled. I guess I will have to volunteer again next weekend.

  • HillaryforTexas

    1950Democrat, I LOVE THIS! I want signs, Teeshirts, buttons, etc!

    I bet we see some women carrying signs that say “Iron my vote!”

  • Just go see.

    sweetness-light.com/archive/hillarys-war-room-attacks-obamarezko

  • HillaryforTexas

    Good Lord, Obama is the most WHINY candidate I have ever seen. All he ever does is moan he is being attacked, and get all affronted.

  • dot48

    on 2nd thought maybe Hillary should just not comment on any of this anymore and just address her message and her get out the vote.

    It is obviOus Obama intends to stir the pot and keep this going through sc and beyond. He wants the focus on anything but his record

    Someone has to be the adult and say enough, this divide will not get us “united”. Hillary will be best served by this I think.

    Just shut the arguing up and let the statements stand and tell the media, we are moving on and campaigning with our message. Obama can do what he wants. Don’t address the issue again.

    You know its going ,to come up in the debates and if she stops it now it will cork it.

  • meiyingsu

    dot48, I totally agree with you. I am so sick and tired of those back and forward argument.

  • dot48

    H4T, that is why Hillary should maybe leave this, Bambi wants to whine his way to the White House over anything and they’d be better off to get off this subject and he’ll have one less thing to whine about.

    What would such a whiney, crybaby do in the event of a serious international crisis. Whine and cry.

  • pulchritude

    Unfortunately, the Obama campaign insists on having the final word on this matter.

  • Paula

    I agree. His campaign is terribly whiny. Bob Johnson said he wasn’t referring to his drug use. And if he was, how is that an attack? It’s in his damn book.

    BTW, I’ve suspected Edwards would throw his support ot Obama for a while now. Let him. I don’t care what Breck Girl does.

  • meiyingsu

    Edwards’ support to BHO will not bring any votes to him. A BHO/Edwards tickets will lose landslide in GE and Bloomberg party will become a major party after that.

  • dot48

    Our girl can control it by stopping responding by issuing a dignified, graceful statement that shows the world she is ready to be the LEADER, not cave, but see where this could lead

    SHE COULD USE THIS AS HER FIRST TEST OF LEADERSHIP ABILITY AND QUALITY. SHE CAN SHOW IN THE FACE OF DIVISION SHE IS THE UNITER AND CAN LEAD BY TAKING A SORRY SITUATION AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY,

    SHE WILL BE THE HERO VS THE WHINER WHO WANTS TO KEEP PLAYING SCHOOLYARD BULLYING

  • another_reader

    i’m sick of the back and forth about the racial stuff. is this all just noise? it’s nfl divisional playoff weekend. ive been more focused on that and i’m a politics junkie!

  • Paula

    dot48, Her comments on MTP were very good on this issue.

    But Obama needs to be called on this. It’s utter crap, and a clear attempt at Swiftboating.

  • /rant on/

    Most of Obama’s attacks just give Hillary a lead to talk about her record — and have it covered as “Hillary fights back” or “Hillary camp replies” etc. This makes what could be ‘old news past history’ — into part of a current ‘fight’. Much more interesting that way.

    It also gives Blacks cover to come out and talk about what the Clintons have done for them, citing ‘let’s be fair’ instead of ‘I’m for Hillary’.

    Obama is smart and ought to recognize this, so I’m not sure why he’s giving her such straight lines. Desperate last chance? Appealing to voters who won’t listen to the facts?

  • HillaryforTexas

    dot, I agree. If asked, Hillary should just express great sadness that the focus of the media seems to be race, and say that she chooses not to comment or argue or continue down this path because it is hurtful and not productive. End of discussion.

  • dot48

    Obama as the nominee guarantees us 8 more years off republicans. The republicans want to take away SS benefits and cut payments. Older people know that and that is why they want Hillary…Obama cannot win in November.

  • Paula

    H4T, I think she was right to say her comments were misconstrued, and to take Obama to task for ginning this up. She is being Swiftboated; turning the other cheek doesn’t work.

    Although I certainly see your point.

  • terrondt

    hillfans, where is john lewis on this. why is he silent?

  • Paula

    BTW, notice the difference between this and the Shaheen situation. In this case, Bob Johnson stood his ground and blasted the media for misinterpreting his comments.

  • Paula

    terrondt, Good question.

  • dot48

    Wouldn’t she be the better person though to just leave this particular issue. Be the one above it all by showing she cares enough about the unity of the country to rise above the bickering and out right lies and just nip it in the bud. Don’t cede just draw a line in the sand and say that she’s about bringing people together and not dividing.

    Don’t give them anything else to argue about and move on with the campaign. This is going to hurt somebody and she’d be better served to one up him again.

  • HillaryforTexas

    terrondt, I understand the mixed feelings in the leadership of he Black community. I do. Even if they know damn well Obama is going WAAAAAAY overboard, it is just emotionally hard to come out and blast one of your own, when you are a leader. On a gut level, it is very difficult.

  • dot48

    Any idea of Bill’s schedule for the next day or so?

  • admin

    For those who missed it – Meet the Press is on now on MSNBC.

  • terrondt

    hillaryfortexas, i don’t buy that. he supposed to be a big hillary supporter. leader or not he should testify the clinton’s civil rights record and push back against this garbage. a leader supposed to do these things.

  • robert ethan

    The “race” thing has to be dealt with. Obama made it the issue way back in 1995 when he published his book “Dreams of My Father”. Granted it was a piece of fiction, by and large, but in it he essentailly chose to identify himself as black. Strictly speaking he is Mulatto, and was raised by his Caucasian maternal family in a largely Caucasian environment. But for whatever reasons, (in the manner of Ward Churchill), Obama chose to identify himself as a member of the minority part of his biological heritage to launch his career. At this point in time, Obama wants to benefit from all of the advantages available to a person of a minority race or ethnic group, without having to deal with any of the disadvantages. His “black” experience certainly hasn’t included being poor, disadvantaged in any way (his Caucasian relatives supported him all the way through law school [age 32], or suffering any racial bias that I can see. He won Iowa, a state that is 95% “white” against a handful of predominantly “white” opponents, all of whom had much more experience and background that he did.

    But if Obama is going to ride the coattails of his African biological father, (even though that father abandoned he and his mother, and didn’t spare a thought for them for the remainder of his life by all accounts), then the world needs to see who Barack Obama Sr. actually was. If Obama is going to trade on his mixed race heritage to give himself “international credibility”, then the world has the right to see what the early results (his cousin Raila Odinga in Kenya) of that sort of “foreign policy”.

  • texan4hillary

    surpirse-I am recieveing hate emails tody in my personal email box fromobama supporters calling me a racist for backing hillary. yep Im a jewish racist. way to round up votes-call fellow dems bigots bc they dont love obama

  • Emjay

    Donna Brazille is still pi$$ed off that Bill didn’t “do something” for Gore, even though the candidate, and she, initially, wanted to put a million
    (s)miles between the two men, because, she told friends, “he (BC) is toxic.”

    She’s been to the beauty shop since last weekend…from white to dark ash brown in 7 days.

    I admit it..Snark snark.

  • I’m annoyed at Obama’s tactics (past and present) but I’d love to see him as President AFTER Hillary gets her turn. (She’s 60, he’s 46 and has plenty of time to try again after getting some more experience and exposure so as to become less swiftboatable).

    Can’t we get people to look ahead and see that he has a better chance to get elected later than now? The GOP would tear his record apart, and use their Ohio vote dirty work. If Hillary gets in, she will clean up the vote process so he’ll get a fair election, and she’ll give him a good post and support him next time, and she’ll clean up the economy and other Bush Jr messes so he won’t get in and look like Carter.

    Even if by chance Hillary loses in Nov 2008, Obama will still be in a better position in 1012 than he is now.

  • Emjay

    Tex4

    How did they get your email?

  • jr

    Barack mysteriously unveiled his economic package today. Can you believe this crap. OMG.

  • dot48

    well Hillary already one upped him on the stimulus package. he’s several days late. shows what kind of leader he’d be…late, late, late. did I understand his wife to say he is always late for everything?

  • robert — I really think your ideas are more fitting on Kos or even mydd than here. We are sometimes oppo but fair and decent and some of your ideas are way over our line. They’re just the sort of thing that Bigger Media would take out of context to brand us with.

    Also, your points about Obama trading too much on a biological link might be valid, but NOT WHEN THERE”S SERIOUS TROUBLE in Africa. As Hillary said, politics is not just a game, real people can get hurt.

    If you’re sincere, there are plenty of other places where you can express your ideas and get much better exposure: kos and mydd ‘diaries’ stay up and collect their own comment strings. And/or,you could start a blog of your own at blogspot or other free blog sites.

    We and others do watch sites like that, so if you come up with anything that fits our standards of decency, I’m sure it will get noticed.
    http://

  • terrondt

    copycat barack. get you your own ideas.

  • Joe Friday

    Just saw the vid clip of Bob Johnson dropping a HOUSE on Obama. That was no “personal attack“, that was Johnson smacking down Obama for his LIES about the Clintons. It was a HOW DARE YOU !

  • TheRealist

    How many follow-up questions on Hillary’s 2002 Iraq vote did Russert ask, 6, seven? Pretty unprecedented, even for the likes of him…

  • Kingsgrove

    Where’s is the clip Joe?

  • terrondt

    good for johnson. he should not take back a damn thing. GODD JOB MY FELLOW BROTHA!!!!

  • dot48

    JF, hope this is how it’s accepted in the aa community. More leaders of his character need to stand up for her,

  • terrondt

    joe friday, any links to johnson’s barack smackdown?

  • terrondt

    correct dot48, we need more black leaders to fight off the obamabots. i wish john lewis would step up to the plate and defend hillary.

  • Joe Friday

    It was the number two story on the ABC World News.

  • Kingsgrove

    This will likely recede by the time we get to South Carolina. The Clintons have time to clear the record once and for all; and the Hispanic community (Vegas baby!) will not take kindly to Obama’s attacks either.

    This may very well backfire in spectacular fashion……

  • carbynew

    I love Bob Johnson and he set-up the Obama media loving good.

    Obama whinny self trying to proclaim himself the new messiah, and I love the “Guess who coming to dinner slam” by Bob Johnson.

    Isn’t it interesting that Obama people can cart around Oprah like she’s the end of the earth but when Hillary Clinton has Billionaire Bob Johnson cusading for her…he’s a puppet.

    And the Democratic party still think Obama and Jessie Jackson Jr. is going to win the election with this inexperience crap?

  • Joe Friday

    Oh, and the ABC reporter covering the Obama campaign claimed that Hillary was “backpedaling” on MTP about her comments about MLK.

    BULLSHIT.

    She smacked that entire false story down big time.

  • dot48

    great about abc news, they get big ratings.

    I don’t know if anyone has ever mentioned this but I feel led to suggest we get a prayer circle together for her. She is under increasing pressures every day. I am a faith person who believes in prayer and need prayers from everyone. Anyone interested give a shout out and we’ll set a time to do it colllectively. I already pray for her.

  • SUGAR

    Evening gang! I went to the Montgomery County (Maryland) for Hillary meeting today and I’m so glad I did. I’ve been inspired to make the trip to South Carolina next week to help out with the drive to get people out to vote for Hillary. I met the Leecia Eve’s assistant and she was really nice. I made some phone calls to persuasion calls to voters in Minnesota and one lady said she was super excited to know that we are working to get that state to Hillary as well!

    Hillary kicked Russert’s fat arse on MTP this morning. He makes me so sick. I’m so glad I stopped by here too because I didn’t know anything about Bob Johnson’s comments!!! It is imperative that I make the trip to S.C. so that my people can see that they don’t have to vote for Obama out of this foolish guilt that they’ve been trying to heap on us all. As an African-American woman, I can honestly say that if it came down to only being a choice between BHO and McCain or Huckabee, I couldn’t vote for him in good conscious. I just wouldn’t vote. And, that’s saying a lot for me, because I would head to the polls if my county or state said they wanted to get the voter’s opinions on whether to plant tulips or roses outside of the local libraries.

  • January 13, 2008 12:26 PM

    ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: On a Sunday conference call announcing her support for Barack Obama, Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill spoke about the way in which Obama warned the freshmen senators elected in 2006 to be weary of more senior senators who would pretend to support ethics reform without really wanting to see it succeed.

    It was an interesting glimpse into Obama, D-Ill., as a legislator.

    Funny how he is breaking his back trying to get these senior Senators to support him now.

    I wonder how many Senators that are on the fence will read that comment.

  • SUGAR

    Obama is the one who is insulting the black community. This is what I’ve been trying to explain to my family and friends. He gets up there on those stages sounding like a preacher, “pandering” to what he thinks will get them hyped up, when he doesn’t give a damn about the black community’s well being. All he cares about is money. That’s why the Congressional Black Caucus has not en masse supported him. They too know he’s a fraud.

  • dot48

    Joe, that is why I’m worried that increased attention to this will give it more fodder. I hope it recedes before south carolina but you know the debate is coming up and Timmeh already felt the smackdown this am. He’lll be right there with Obama and Breck trying to wipe her out.

  • It is looking more and more like O’s camp is in panic mode. Their thinking is they have to win really big in both SC and NV or his campaign is over.

  • The Black AMerican Television smackdown of Obama story is at http://www.taylormarsh.com/

  • mj

    SUGAR, you’re the best! Good luck in SC! Please post your blg site again. I need the address.

  • dot48

    Sugar, bless you. You give me hope for this situation. Being white and female I am afraid of the fallout from this going the wrong way. I am impressed with your take on it and appreciate the effort you are making for her. I really wish I had finances to do more.

  • another_reader

    vegas debate should be interesting. it would be great if they could stick to issues instead of gotcha stuff. wishful thinking i know. again i wonder how many people even notice the kerfuffles this weekend. this giants-cowboys game is pretty good & san diego-indy maybe better. 🙂 most folks are not that tuned in, and ultimately the back and forth over mlk, it still leaves me at – when is obama going to focus on substantive issues that really affect people’s lives.

  • Joe Friday

    I read Bob Johnson’s remarks earler today, but the video is powerful. When he said:

    As an African American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid…”

    the audience broke into applause.

  • HillaryforTexas

    Thanks, SUGAR. I wouldn’t want to take you on – you sound like one lioness of a woman! 😀

    One of my AA friends in SC (I grew up there) called me, and she says the same. She is hurt and angry, not just that he is trying to play the community, but that he is DOING DAMAGE by it that she and the rest in SC will be stuck repairing.

    This is a hurtful thing. A deeply hurtful thing, especially in that state, and there is no excuse for it.

  • TeamClinton08

    This whole Race brouhaha that Obama is stirring up is going to destroy his campaign. His campaign had been appealing to all races without getting into pitting blacks against whites. That was one of the appeals of his campaign. Now with all this fake outrage about supposed racist remarks by the Clinton’s and their surrogates he has reduced his campaign to blacks vs whites. This will turn off many whites that have been supporting his campaign. I hope that Hillary just keeps on being above it all and pointing out that this kind of divisive race baiting is bad for the country. So much for the politics of hope.

  • dot48

    if the sentiment of the AA community is that he is hurting them well it will help her however, to stop the bloodletting I still believe she should call for UNITY

  • wishful thinking anotherreader..

  • mj

    I am so upset. The Yahoo headline is “Clinton and Obama clash on race issue”. This is nuts. I hope Hillary, for the sake f Party unity, just stays away from engaging any further on this issue. It’s bad for the Party, what Obama’s camp is alleging.

  • Anduril919

    “I’m annoyed at Obama’s tactics (past and present) but I’d love to see him as President AFTER Hillary gets her turn. (She’s 60, he’s 46 and has plenty of time to try again after getting some more experience and exposure so as to become less swiftboatable).”

    The reasons for not supporting Obama now are serious enough not to support him 8 years down the line. It all boils down to character and integrity. He is dishonest about himself and about other people. He uses his gift of oratory to attack and mislead rather than help and inform.

    He would have gained inestimable experience between now and 2016 but unless he is taken under the tutelage of an experienced and principled politician, I am afraid that the trajectory that he is taking now in this campaign will lead him to further destroy his integrity. As it is, he is perfecting his persona to reflect the worst of Chicago-style politics and this doesn’t bode well for his eventual run in 2016. I hope I am wrong about this. In any case, there would be other african american politicians who will emerge that are far superior than he is.

  • Anduril919

    His entire political career has been slight of hand and by 2016 the entire country would have a much clearer picture of him and what he really stands for. That is why he is going all out climbing over the backs of those ahead of him. The more he and his campaign keep playing up this race thing, the sooner his campaign will crumble. People were already tiring of his Hope mantra and asking questions, so he had to get them asking questions about something else.

  • dot48

    well I could never support him. I’ve already seen enough of his character.

  • terrondt

    you tell it SUGAR!!!! they saying goes in my black family”THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE”.

  • carbynew

    Dot48 Hillary has call for UNITY but Obama surrogates in the media(repugs in sheep clothing) think blacks are stupid. Also Jessie Jackson Jr. need to STFU about Katrina with his power hungry self trying to be a king maker and come out of the shadow of his father.

    African Americans have worked too hard for so long, and for the Obama campaign to call the Clintons racist…well I just have to agree with BJohnson…who is running his campaign?

    But Obama like all the others time can’t admit he made a mistake and will continue down this road to his detriment dragging those Democrats down on a sinking ship.

  • Kingsgrove

    VIDEO: Cenk Uygur (“The Young Turks”) weighs in on Jesse Jackson Jr. playing the race card against Hillary Clinton

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI

  • OkieAtty

    I have to add onto my last post about SC being Bwak’s firewall. In all sincerity, Bwak has cried “racism!” at his loss in NH. Now, of all states, NH is not racist and historically, voters there take great pains to educate themselves about candidates and issues. It’s partly sour grapes but mostly a calculating ploy to go all out in SC lest he lose again and be out of it. But if he loses SC, and there is always that chance, he gets to cry “racism!” again and folks will buy it bc, afterall, it is the South. If he wins, it’s a great triumph of MLK’s legacy. Why do you think he’s trying so damn hard to make himself synonymous with MLK, et al.? In a way it also lends himself a bit of bulletproofing with “progressives” when he has an Achilles heel in that he’s running to the right of Hillary.

    BTW, you think Breck Girl’s ass is feeling a bit sore now at the humping Axelrod and Trippi are giving him? He should have been paying attention to Big Pink. We said it first months ago… (Hi, Ben!)

  • mollyjrichards

    How many different ways can BHO, who says he is going to unite the country, manage to divide us? So far, he has as Bill Richardson said in one of the debates, tried to start a “generational war.” He aimed patronizing and condescending comments at Hillary from the first debate. Now he is accusing the Clintons of racism for made up reasons. Dr. King dreamed of a day when we would not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character. I would be ashamed for Dr. King to see this. This is so harmful what is happening. Obama is trying to use race as a wedge issue in the democratic party. I do not believe that people will believe that the CLinton’s are racists. They have worked on behalf of all people–both of them, and for so many years. This is truly,. truly shameful behavior. Nobody with a handful of neurons clicking could misunderstand what Hillary was saying, the point she was making. If anything, she was complimenting him-Obama – by comparing him to MLK. And yes, change happens in the streets and in White House in schools and churches and in the Senate. And the Civil Rights Act would be a fantasy if it had not been for individuals inside our government who were committed to it.

  • another_reader

    i’m pretty upset by the racial stuff. they could’ve taken the high road without pushing this thing, the “some were offended” and esp that memo in south carolina. it’s incredibly divisive and ugly.

  • Southern Born

    Hillary is being “hit” on CNN. What is the AA man’s name who is the announcer…not a friend of Hillarys.

  • terrondt

    hillfans, african-americans will not buy into this. i know. i may not be from south carolina but my grandfather is. they will see through this. we are not robots and thnk what obamabots tell us what to think.

  • SUGAR

    You know, I’ve told you guys before, I’m very torn about all of this because as AA woman, I would love to see an AA in the White House, but in my gut, and the record SHOWS that Hillary is the most experienced, the most compassionate, the best prepared and the most electable person for the job. I’ve been trying to go easy on him on my site, but I think that in light of all of this recent racial firestorm that he and the media are kicking up, I may have to piss my own regular readers off again to “tell it like it is”. I was very inspired to see SEVERAL African-Americans at that meeting today. Men, women, old and young. I was very happy to see that, no we aren’t all being fooled by him.

    I also think that you guys are right on the money. His campaign is going to pay dearly for this in the long run because Bob Johnson is right, it is insulting that BHO would think that AA’s wouldn’t know when someone is trying to play us for fools.

  • OkieAtty

    Obama’s tactics betray him. It’s not the audacity of hope, it’s the audacity of cynicism and his outright manipulation of voters on the basest and cruelest levels. The damage he is doing will be the eventual undoing of our party and will drive a wedge so deep in our base that the GOP may get another shot at reviving their party.

  • mj

    Look, hopefully, everyone will get back to the issues. The truth is Hillary has great plans to help this country reach meaningful equality. The truth is this country is ready to turn the page on racism and Obama and Hillary can and will help do that. This sort of politics won’t work anymore. We are ready to move on.

  • SUGAR — But it’s NOT yes or no on Obama … it’s now or later!

    Hilary 2008! Obama 2016!

    He will have a BETTER chance to actually become president in 2016 (or 2012 if Hillary should lose).

  • Kingsgrove

    Obama 20…NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • dot48

    I can’t understand why you all would want to entertain a thought of him being a future president. He is showing his true colors and I don’t mean that as him being a black man. America can do better.

  • SUGAR

    You know, 1950Democrat, mere days ago I felt that way about him–maybe later. But, the more I learn, the more…I don’t think so. For me personally that is. He’s so reminiscent of the republicans to me it nearly makes me gag. That slick grin and those phony speeches. I could literally hear when he kicked into “Preacher” mode at his speech at the NH primary. It was almost as clear as if someone had turned on a light switch it was so noticeable to me. He’s a phony and a liar and I don’t deal with phonies.

  • SUGAR

    He can take his rock head on back to Chicago so he can play some more of those games if he wants to keep doing the dirty deeds he’s been guilty of in the time this election has been underway.

  • OkieAtty

    1950Dem, no way. I will not vote for someone who is ethically challenged (I’m being charitable here). To steal a line from Law and Order- it’s a character defect. He lacks it in the most surreal way.

    A client of mine has a troubled son whom s/he describes as “would stand there with a joint in his hand puffing away and say he wasn’t—and do it with a straight face.” That sums up Obama for me. The fact that after a few years as a part-time state senator ostensibly on the take, he thinks he’s qualified to be POTUS says something about his sense of entitlement and the largeness of his ego. Couple that with the fact he does well from the pulpit but not in small groups and has palpable problems displaying empathy leads me to conclude he is a sociopath. We cannot permit a sociopath to become POTUS. Not ever.

  • meiyingsu

    sugar, thank you so much for giving insider thought on black community.

  • For what it is worth, if at all new CBS/NYT poll has Hillary’s lead nationally at 15%

    DEMOCRATIC CHOICE FOR NOMINATION
    (Among Democratic primary voters)

    Clinton 42%
    Obama 27%
    Edwards 11%

  • robert ethan

    1950Democrat- “sometimes oppo”? Be serious. This is an oppo site, and I don’t have a problem with that. But to trot out some item about a decade old Chicago political favor (and ride it to death), seems a bit trivial in comparison to the rape, looting, burning, and ethnic cleansing which is occuring in Kenya, which Obama is a party to, As surely as he was guilty of poor judgement and associating with Tony Rezko with his house purchase.

    The saying is “you can choose your friends, but you can’t choose your relatives”, but in Obama’s case HE DID “CHOOSE’ HIS RELATIVES. He CHOSE to indentify with the African side of his heritage, and CHOSE to highlight his African relatives rather than
    his American grandmother, who is kept hidden from the public. He also CHOSE to
    support Rail Odinga, both as a RELATIVE and a FRIEND. Odinga almost definitely ORDERED MASSACRES led by his Luo tribesmen, and he is not done yet. He has scheduled rallies for next week, which could completely destroy the fabric of democracy in Kenya and result in further atrocities.

  • I really think this race game he is playing is starting to turn off voters and will begin to errode his support

  • AmericanGal

    New CBS News/New York Times national numbers

    Clinton 42, Obama 27, Edwards 11

  • OkieAtty

    robert- the favor stuff isn’t a decade old. This shit is recent in that it has happened since his election to the US Senate. The other stuff on Kenya without actual proof sounds like tinfoil hat stuff for DailyKooks.

  • CJ

    I seen enough of his Character to ,i just cant vote for the man,

    Sugar…it is insulting that BHO would think that AA’s wouldn’t know when someone is trying to play us for fools.and you are seeing right through him, i have friends that are AA ever since high school they are very intelligent, they will always be my friends no matter what…they wont be played as a fool either ,ill tell ya that right now,they would say this is all nonsense from the Obama camp…In the end they will go Hillary 08

  • AmericanGal

    Obama’s latest….this is absurd….

    “I think they have decided to run a relentlessly negative campaign and I don’t think anybody who’s watching would deny that. I gather that she’s determined that instead of trying to sell herself on why she would be the best president, she’s trying to convince folks that I wouldn’t be a good one.”

  • OkieAtty

    I don’t want to be associated with the Kenya narrative. Please take it elsewhere.

  • tiburones

    Geraldo on Fox now with Larry Elder, Juan Williams, Lanny Davis, Dick Morris discussing Bob Johnson and race now.

  • Paula

    What are they saying about her on CNN?

  • Kentucky_mkt

    Have any of you written letters to the moderators of the Nevada debate? Perhaps, several of us should do this and send copies to “letters to the editor,” TM, or other such places.

    It seems to me that the best way to handle this would be to look at where BHO/ HRC differ in their voting records and then have JRE weigh in and pick a side. That would be very interesting.

    Question to my AA friends on Big Pink:

    Several of my AA friends in the “real world” are actually upset at the idea of BHO becoming the first AA president. They feel very strongly that such an honor should go to someone that is descended from slave ancestry.

    Have any of you heard statements like this?

    I’m wondering if the BHO campaign hasn’t heard such statements and is race-baiting sort of as a way to help BHO bond with the AA community.

  • HillaryforTexas

    OkieAtty, that is one of the things that has bothered me more and more about him.

    Where are this man’s good friends? He is 46 years old – doesn’t he have some? If not, then WHY not?

    I don’t mean just supporters who will say they have admired his political “work”. I mean ordinary people who stand up and say “I have known this guy all my life, went to school with him, etc, and he is a GOOD man. I can tell you all about him in college, him in his early career, etc.” The people who KNOW him. People he has touched and helped. People who say he fought hard for them. People who worked with him.

    I see lots of them for Hillary. I don’t see them for Obama.

  • OkieAtty

    Admin, please do a frontpage on mediamatters.org’s shootdown on Matthews, the NYT and racebaiting going on. They have the goods to back up our girl.

  • dot48

    Obama is seriously a headcase. That last statement tells me he is living in some kind of fantasy land. He needs medical help.

    He is deluded and the more he is allowed to rant like this, well he ain’t getting no help.

    The sad part is media will have at it again next week. I’m boycotting tv, seriously. Media is still drinking the koolaid and it would not surprise me if they aren’t feeding this silly junk to him

  • HillaryforTexas

    robert, many members of this board have very politely asked you to stop, and expressed that we are uncomfortable with that narrative, ESPECIALLY given the timing.

    You have ignored these multiple polite requests. I am done being polite. SHUT UP AND TAKE IT ELSEWHERE OR I WILL LOBBY HARD TO HAVE ADMIN BAN YOU.

  • robert ethan — STFU about Kenya! People are really getting killed over there and anything we in the US say is likely to make things worse.

    Go away. We don’t tolerate that sort of thing at hillaryis44. Nor anything else that sounds racist or nutty.

    ADMIN BAN CALL

  • mj

    I agree. Admin, ban this jerk.

  • TeamClinton08

    I will never vote for Obama or Edwards because I have seen the way that they have used lies, slander and sexism to try and bring Hillary down. I could never vote for a man that uses his race to divide us and gain votes. He is purposely slandering the Clintons with outright lies and twisting of their words in order to have an advantage with the AA community. I find that type of politics disgusting. So no Obama or Edwards for EVER!

  • Jaz

    Hillary must make a final statement on this tomorrow. Then talk no more about it.

    The whole thing is damaging to the party, Barack is on the slide. His total approach to the race issue has been shambolic. I congratulate Clinton on keeping cool.

    The question will come up on the debate, and only then should Hillary call out on Edwards and Obama about their “tag team” they are playing against her, and the adoption of the race card. There are memo’s showing the Obama campaign is stirring things up.

    The whole thing is absurd.

  • robert ethan

    Okie, I have no idea what you mean by “proof”. The atrocities in Kenya are happening. Obama has met with Odinga on more than one occassion. Odinga has told the BBC that he regards Obama as “a longtime friend, who I speak with often on the telephone”. Odinga did host Obama on his visit to Kenya in 2006. He did speak in support of him at that time. Obama’s father is from the same village as Odinga, and even though the Obama campaign is unwilling to admit (but won’t deny it), Raila Odinga said to the BBC that they are cousins. Doesn’t it seem strange that these two men who have been acquainted and spoken often over the past couple of years would not have realized earlier that they were related. Odinga certainly doesn’t have a problem in mentioning it, but all you get from the Obama camp is “no comment”. Even with regard to his biological kin, Barack seems to prefer voting PRESENT, rather than YES or NO.

  • robert ethan

    1950, this is 2008. Reset your clock oldtimer. If you don’t think that Obama trades on his racial background for profit when it seems expedient, then there is no reason to call him on it when the going isn’t quite so smooth.

    I happen to believe that he does take advantage of his heritage, and is doing so at this very moment. Therefore he should be prepared to deal with less positive aspects of trading on that heritage.

  • OkieAtty

    Again, Robert, wholly inappropriate her. Take it elsewhere. I’m in favor of a ban if this keeps up. We had someone trying something similar a few weeks ago and they are gone now. We here at Big Pink want to deal with issues of substance, not things that make us, and by default our candidate look bad. Don’t pull a Shaheen.

  • Caroline

    Does anyone have any idea what Hillary’s chances are in Nevada?

  • Jaz

    Caroline, i’m not in Nevada.

    But the hispanic vote is DEFINITELY on clintons side especially with Richardson dropping out. I cannot see Hillary losing, she would only lose if the Trade Unions (backing Obama) can force people to vote in a certain way.

  • TeamClinton08

    Edwards defends Obama on the MLK statement:
    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/edward-defends.html

    Edwards seems to have his lips surgically attached to Obama’s rear. What a punk this Edwards guy is! Doesn’t he realize he has no chance in hell of being president and kissing Obama’s butt is not getting him anywhere.

  • AmericanGal

    Can someone analyze this new Washington/ABC news poll?

    abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/story?id=4128343&page=1

  • TeamClinton08

    I’m Hispanic and let me tell you that Hillary has a huge advantage over Obama in the Hispanic community. Nevada should go to Clinton with no problem.

  • tiburones

    This may be good for Obama in the short term but it will hurt him in the long term moving forward to 2/5. At worse, this is not good for the party and the Repubs are just sitting back laughing. I think that Pelosi, John Lewis and others should call both camps together and get them to stop the attacks and counter attacks. It’s counterproductive to both of them..

    I fault Obama for seizing on this hot buttom topic and trying to distory the Clinton’s record. After 1/26, the SC primary will be over and we’ll be on to Florida. Obama is not being hones, he complains that Hillary spent nearly an hour on MTP distorting his record on Iraq but fails to note that it was Timmy who chose to ask those questins. I suspect that in the Floridan and Tsunami primaries, the white and hispanic voters will peel off from Obama and move to Hillary. This has got my stomach in knots as I sence a nuclear bomb set to go off if not capped NOW.

  • TeamClinton08

    Edwards shows us once again that he has his lips surgically attached to Obama’s rear:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/edward-defends.html

    What a kiss a@@ loser!

  • DemHawk

    Admin, Could you please ban Robert Ethan? Robert Ethan’s Race-baiting has no place here. He has refused to stop despite multiple posters requests.

  • robert ethan

    Okie – So everyone gets fired or banned for speaking inconvenient truths. On that note the lovely Mr Antonin Rezko is currenlty claiming ETHNIC BIAS in regard to his prosecution in Chicago. Maybe the Adminitrators here should drop this whole thread, lest it be construed as BIAS AGAINST EASTERN EUROPEANS. You can never be too careful in these matters.

  • OkieAtty

    Rezco is of Syrian ethnicity, not Czech. WTF?

    BTW- shouting at us isn’t a good idea. We can occasionally eat our own here. And you’re not one of our own yet, so tread lightly.

  • OkieAtty

    To hell with it….Admin, if this were the Gong Show, I’d be banging my gong repeatedly. Please put an end to this misery and strike his foolish comments. Pretty please????

  • Jaz

    Robert Ethan – I understand that you want somewhere to vent, however, unlike Obama, the Clinton campaign does NOT want to destroy fellow democrats on race or any other issue like that. -Leave the destroying for republicans.

    We want to campaign on the policy and experience presented before us.

  • Paula

    AmericanGal, Don’t worry about national polls. They’re meaningless at this point. Obama is obviously benefiting from all the positive media attention and his win in Iowa. I’m still shocked Hillary won NH, lol.

  • carbynew

    I really get the feeling that the media didn’t think Hillary was going to fight the charge of rascism. When I read the other blogs that lean towards Obama they’re mad that she stood her ground and fought back. It’s like they wanted her to apologize and admit they did something wrong.

    And they are mad as hell at Bob Johnson but won’t attack him directly but on the comments on the Blogs.

    That tool Russert only hurt Obama, instead of crushing Hillary she crushed Russert and ultimately Obama. That why they’re trying to spin the MTP interview as Hillary bashing…but how when Hillary only answered Russert’s questions.

    Also I can’t believe Russert would ask Hillary about VP.

  • dot48

    I think the Culinary workers are being intimidated by having those precincts set up. I’m sure they feel pressured to vote what they are telling them to vote. disgusting.

  • alcina

    i read the culinary trade union is setting up special caucus areas within the las vegas casinos, facilities, etc. to make it easier for members to attend. isn’t it obvious members would feel compelled to vote a certain way? the whole thing sounds absurd.

  • Paula

    “I really get the feeling that the media didn’t think Hillary was going to fight the charge of rascism. When I read the other blogs that lean towards Obama they’re mad that she stood her ground and fought back. It’s like they wanted her to apologize and admit they did something wrong.”

    I think you’re right.

  • tiburones

    http://www.lvrj.com/news

    CAMPAIGN 2008: Clinton, Hispanic voters, unions proclaim bond

    Lawsuit challenging Strip caucus sites could hurt rival

    By MOLLY BALL
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    POLITICS SECTION
    Candidate Profiles, How to Caucus

    MICHIGAN POLL
    Mitt Romney — 30%
    John McCain — 22%
    Mike Huckabee — 17%
    Fred Thompson — 7%
    Rudy Giuliani — 6%
    Ron Paul — 5%
    Duncan Hunter — 1%
    Alan Keyes — 1%
    Undecided — 11%
    Of those who decided, 39% said they might change their minds

    Which ONE of the following issues do you feel is MOST important:
    Economy & Jobs — 34%
    National Security or Terrorism — 22%
    Taxes & Government Spending — 15%
    Moral & Family Issues — 13%
    Immigration — 9%
    Iraq — 4%
    Other/Not Sure — 3%

    400 likely Republican primary voters were interviewed by telephone January 9-11, 2008 by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C. The margin for error is ? 5 points.

    THIS WEEK: MICHIGAN REPUBLICANS VOTE TUESDAY, SOUTH CAROLINA REPUBLICANS VOTE SATURDAY, AND NEVADA DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS VOTE SATURDAY.

    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York speaks to a crowd Saturday at a rally at the Sheet Metal Workers hall in North Las Vegas.
    Photo by John Locher.

    Mitt Romney

    Campaign buttons for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., were for sale Saturday to rally attendees at the Sheet Metal Workers hall in North Las Vegas.
    Photo by The Associated Press

    Hillary Clinton on Saturday told Las Vegans that what America needs is “not just a change of direction but a change of heart.”

    The roomful of about 150 at a union hall greeted her with chants of “Sí, se puede” — “Yes, we can” — the same refrain that Clinton’s rival Barack Obama was chanting the day before.

    The two rivals, who are fighting hard for an edge in this week’s Nevada caucuses, appear to agree on something: that the workers’ motto is the key to Nevadans’ hearts and votes.

    Onstage with Clinton Saturday were a passel of Hispanic luminaries, including four members of Congress, a U.S. senator, two Nevada Hispanic legislators, former Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros and two national Hispanic leaders, Raul Yzaguirre, founder of the National Council for La Raza, and Dolores Huerta.

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    Lest one accuse Clinton of copycatting Obama, Huerta might lend her credibility: She was the one who came up with the slogan back in the 1970s, along with Cesar Chavez, when they led the United Farm Workers fight for migrant workers’ rights.

    All of Clinton’s recent appearances in the state have been aimed at Hispanics: a neighborhood canvass and a talk at a Mexican restaurant on Thursday, the “Juntos con Hillary, una vida mejor” (together with Hillary, a better life) rally Saturday morning and another Mexican restaurant appearance Saturday afternoon in Reno.

    Obama’s events have not been so targeted. On Friday, he held rallies with the Culinary union and members of the general public. He returns today to appear again at the Culinary hall and proceeds to Pahrump, where his town hall is open to local residents.

    Increasing the clout of Hispanic voters was a major reason Nevada got a voice in the Democratic presidential nominating process. The Nevada caucus on Saturday stands to break a tie, in states won, between Clinton and Obama at this early date.

    But courting Hispanics nearly exclusively is a gamble for Clinton. They represent an estimated 15 percent of registered Democrats, and historically haven’t turned out to vote as an influential bloc.

    The other group Democrats wanted to highlight in Nevada was unions. Clinton, Obama and John Edwards all have blocs of union supporters, but it is Obama who scored the most coveted prize in Culinary, which is Nevada’s largest union and the one most practiced at political orchestration.

    The Democrats catered to labor here by creating nine “at-large” caucus sites on the Strip, where workers can caucus on Saturday rather than commuting back to precincts near their homes, where everyone else is required to be. The rationale was that those most likely to be working on a Saturday in Las Vegas’ 24-hour economy are Strip workers.

    On Friday, a federal lawsuit was filed against the Nevada Democratic Party alleging the caucus sites violate Nevada election law and allocate a disproportionate amount of delegates to those who attend them. The lawsuit points out that workers off the Strip don’t get the same consideration.

    Bringing the lawsuit is the teachers union, the Nevada State Education Association, along with some individual Democratic activists. The teachers have not endorsed a candidate.

    Attempts to reach the plaintiffs were unsuccessful.

    The state Democratic Party has not yet filed a legal reply. The party said in a statement that the precincts are “fair, legal and proper” and that their creation was overseen by lawyers and members of the state and national parties.

    The state party noted in its statement that the presidential campaigns all have known about the precincts for months. “The time for comment or complaint has passed,” the party stated.

    The party didn’t offer legal arguments, but the U.S. Supreme Court has held that states do not have the authority to dictate how political parties choose their nominees.

    The Clinton campaign denies involvement in the lawsuit, which if successful would make it harder for Culinary workers to caucus and thus potentially hurt Obama.

    “We don’t have a position on the lawsuit. We don’t want to get involved,” Clinton spokeswoman Hilarie Grey said. “We’re planning for any eventuality, and we’ll adjust our get-out-to-caucus (operation) whichever way the court decides.”

    Culinary’s secretary-treasurer, D. Taylor, called the lawsuit “despicable and disgusting” and an obvious political ploy given the timing shortly after the union announced its endorsement.

    “This is an attempt to disenfranchise people who wait on tables and make beds and cook food, largely women and people of color,” Taylor said.

    He noted that Clinton has repeatedly voiced concern about the workers disenfranchised by the caucus process’ requirement of in-person, on-time participation and called on her and her supporters to renounce the lawsuit.

    None have so far. “Their silence is deafening,” Taylor said.

    He said the union has not formulated a specific response to the lawsuit but will not allow it to succeed “without a fight.”

    Taylor also noted that more than 40 percent of the union’s members are Hispanic. “Certainly, we are going to talk to our members that there are people who tell them they are supportive and then don’t want them to be able to vote,” he said. “Nothing gets people more angry than someone telling them they don’t have the right to participate.”

    David Cohen, the Obama campaign’s Nevada state director, said in a written statement: “We believe as a party, and a country, we should be looking for ways to include working men and women in the electoral process, not disenfranchise them.”

    Clinton on Saturday didn’t take questions or address the issue. She told the crowd she would not be an ally of convenience.

    “It’s critical that Nevadans pick someone who won’t forget them,” she said. “We need a president who doesn’t just come and ask for your support in a caucus, but will be there for you, day in and day out.”

    Cisneros’ endorsement came after New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whom Cisneros had been supporting, dropped out of the presidential race on Thursday. It gave Clinton occasion to eulogize Richardson, who is widely considered a potential running mate for the eventual nominee and who hasn’t endorsed another candidate.

    Richardson had an active campaign in Nevada, so his absence from the race put his supporters up for grabs by the remaining candidates.

    Calling Richardson a longtime friend, Clinton said, “He broke through a barrier by running for president, and raising so many important issues for our country.”

    She lauded Cisneros, a former mayor of San Antonio, and said she was concerned about the economic insecurity many people feel.

    Cisneros, for his part, emphasized to the audience the importance of their participation. “I have great hopes for the role the American Latino population will play in this country,” he said, adding, “So much of this is in your hands. The country is watching Nevada.”

    Even before Richardson, who is Hispanic, left the race, polls had shown high support for Clinton among Hispanics. Many say they have fond memories of her husband’s administration, in which Cisneros served, although Cisneros left the Cabinet amid personal and legal scandal.

    “I want her to be president because I think she can help Mexicans,” said Jose Sarabia, 49, who attended Saturday’s event and plans to caucus for Clinton. “There are a lot of problems with immigration, and if she is president, I think she will help us.”

    Esther Garcia, 67, said Clinton appeals to her because she doesn’t appear to think she’s better than anybody else.

    “She has not forgotten the lower class people,” she said. “She does not look down on us.”

    Contact reporter Molly Ball at mball @reviewjournal.com or (702) 387-2919.
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  • Emjay

    1950Dem and all who have followed

    Thank you. I posted about this last night @7.25 and on the 11th @8:50.

    No one else said very much, so I just STFU about it.

    Now I join you all in asking…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Admin

    Please help us out here.

    It’s getting more and more disgusting.

    His first post trumpeted how he had come here because he’d been kicked off (Politico, I think) somewhere else.

    And please scrub so it can’t be used against the site.

    Thank you.

  • AmericanGal

    Paula, I guess that what I was thinking. Any polls taken during that span of time would be swayed by the initial post Iowa stuff–I don’t see how they could be completely accurate. Also, other polls have completely opposite numbers….and so it goes……

  • robert ethan

    Sorry, that should read Middle Eastern Bias. But the point is the same. A Jan 9 article in the Chicago Sun Times, delineated his lawyers request to “screen jurors over percieved bias towards people of Middle Eastern descent”. Sound familiar?

    My client may be guilty as hell, but he shouldn’t be convicted because of his racial/ethnic background. Or at least we should be able to choose his jurors. Why not? Worked in the past for that guy sitting in a Las Vegas Nevada jail at the moment.

  • tiburones

    http://www.lvrj.com/news

    CAMPAIGN 2008: Clinton, Hispanic voters, unions proclaim bond

    Lawsuit challenging Strip caucus sites could hurt rival

    By MOLLY BALL
    REVIEW-JOURNAL
    More Info

    Fred Thompson — 7%
    Rudy Giuliani — 6%
    Ron Paul — 5%
    Duncan Hunter — 1%
    Alan Keyes — 1%
    Undecided — 11%
    Of those who decided, 39% said they might change their minds

    Which ONE of the following issues do you feel is MOST important:
    Economy & Jobs — 34%
    National Security or Terrorism — 22%
    Taxes & Government Spending — 15%
    Moral & Family Issues — 13%
    Immigration — 9%
    Iraq — 4%
    Other/Not Sure — 3%

    400 likely Republican primary voters were interviewed by telephone January 9-11, 2008 by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C. The margin for error is ? 5 points.

    THIS WEEK: MICHIGAN REPUBLICANS VOTE TUESDAY, SOUTH CAROLINA REPUBLICANS VOTE SATURDAY, AND NEVADA DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS VOTE SATURDAY.

    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York speaks to a crowd Saturday at a rally at the Sheet Metal Workers hall in North Las Vegas.
    Photo by John Locher.

    Mitt Romney

    Campaign buttons for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., were for sale Saturday to rally attendees at the Sheet Metal Workers hall in North Las Vegas.
    Photo by The Associated Press

    Hillary Clinton on Saturday told Las Vegans that what America needs is “not just a change of direction but a change of heart.”

    The roomful of about 150 at a union hall greeted her with chants of “Sí, se puede” — “Yes, we can” — the same refrain that Clinton’s rival Barack Obama was chanting the day before.

    The two rivals, who are fighting hard for an edge in this week’s Nevada caucuses, appear to agree on something: that the workers’ motto is the key to Nevadans’ hearts and votes.

    Onstage with Clinton Saturday were a passel of Hispanic luminaries, including four members of Congress, a U.S. senator, two Nevada Hispanic legislators, former Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros and two national Hispanic leaders, Raul Yzaguirre, founder of the National Council for La Raza, and Dolores Huerta.

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    Lest one accuse Clinton of copycatting Obama, Huerta might lend her credibility: She was the one who came up with the slogan back in the 1970s, along with Cesar Chavez, when they led the United Farm Workers fight for migrant workers’ rights.

    All of Clinton’s recent appearances in the state have been aimed at Hispanics: a neighborhood canvass and a talk at a Mexican restaurant on Thursday, the “Juntos con Hillary, una vida mejor” (together with Hillary, a better life) rally Saturday morning and another Mexican restaurant appearance Saturday afternoon in Reno.

    Obama’s events have not been so targeted. On Friday, he held rallies with the Culinary union and members of the general public. He returns today to appear again at the Culinary hall and proceeds to Pahrump, where his town hall is open to local residents.

    Increasing the clout of Hispanic voters was a major reason Nevada got a voice in the Democratic presidential nominating process. The Nevada caucus on Saturday stands to break a tie, in states won, between Clinton and Obama at this early date.

    But courting Hispanics nearly exclusively is a gamble for Clinton. They represent an estimated 15 percent of registered Democrats, and historically haven’t turned out to vote as an influential bloc.

    The other group Democrats wanted to highlight in Nevada was unions. Clinton, Obama and John Edwards all have blocs of union supporters, but it is Obama who scored the most coveted prize in Culinary, which is Nevada’s largest union and the one most practiced at political orchestration.

    The Democrats catered to labor here by creating nine “at-large” caucus sites on the Strip, where workers can caucus on Saturday rather than commuting back to precincts near their homes, where everyone else is required to be. The rationale was that those most likely to be working on a Saturday in Las Vegas’ 24-hour economy are Strip workers.

    On Friday, a federal lawsuit was filed against the Nevada Democratic Party alleging the caucus sites violate Nevada election law and allocate a disproportionate amount of delegates to those who attend them. The lawsuit points out that workers off the Strip don’t get the same consideration.

    Bringing the lawsuit is the teachers union, the Nevada State Education Association, along with some individual Democratic activists. The teachers have not endorsed a candidate.

    Attempts to reach the plaintiffs were unsuccessful.

    The state Democratic Party has not yet filed a legal reply. The party said in a statement that the precincts are “fair, legal and proper” and that their creation was overseen by lawyers and members of the state and national parties.

    The state party noted in its statement that the presidential campaigns all have known about the precincts for months. “The time for comment or complaint has passed,” the party stated.

    The party didn’t offer legal arguments, but the U.S. Supreme Court has held that states do not have the authority to dictate how political parties choose their nominees.

    The Clinton campaign denies involvement in the lawsuit, which if successful would make it harder for Culinary workers to caucus and thus potentially hurt Obama.

    “We don’t have a position on the lawsuit. We don’t want to get involved,” Clinton spokeswoman Hilarie Grey said. “We’re planning for any eventuality, and we’ll adjust our get-out-to-caucus (operation) whichever way the court decides.”

    Culinary’s secretary-treasurer, D. Taylor, called the lawsuit “despicable and disgusting” and an obvious political ploy given the timing shortly after the union announced its endorsement.

    “This is an attempt to disenfranchise people who wait on tables and make beds and cook food, largely women and people of color,” Taylor said.

    He noted that Clinton has repeatedly voiced concern about the workers disenfranchised by the caucus process’ requirement of in-person, on-time participation and called on her and her supporters to renounce the lawsuit.

    None have so far. “Their silence is deafening,” Taylor said.

    He said the union has not formulated a specific response to the lawsuit but will not allow it to succeed “without a fight.”

    Taylor also noted that more than 40 percent of the union’s members are Hispanic. “Certainly, we are going to talk to our members that there are people who tell them they are supportive and then don’t want them to be able to vote,” he said. “Nothing gets people more angry than someone telling them they don’t have the right to participate.”

    David Cohen, the Obama campaign’s Nevada state director, said in a written statement: “We believe as a party, and a country, we should be looking for ways to include working men and women in the electoral process, not disenfranchise them.”

    Clinton on Saturday didn’t take questions or address the issue. She told the crowd she would not be an ally of convenience.

    “It’s critical that Nevadans pick someone who won’t forget them,” she said. “We need a president who doesn’t just come and ask for your support in a caucus, but will be there for you, day in and day out.”

    Cisneros’ endorsement came after New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whom Cisneros had been supporting, dropped out of the presidential race on Thursday. It gave Clinton occasion to eulogize Richardson, who is widely considered a potential running mate for the eventual nominee and who hasn’t endorsed another candidate.

    Richardson had an active campaign in Nevada, so his absence from the race put his supporters up for grabs by the remaining candidates.

    Calling Richardson a longtime friend, Clinton said, “He broke through a barrier by running for president, and raising so many important issues for our country.”

    She lauded Cisneros, a former mayor of San Antonio, and said she was concerned about the economic insecurity many people feel.

    Cisneros, for his part, emphasized to the audience the importance of their participation. “I have great hopes for the role the American Latino population will play in this country,” he said, adding, “So much of this is in your hands. The country is watching Nevada.”

    Even before Richardson, who is Hispanic, left the race, polls had shown high support for Clinton among Hispanics. Many say they have fond memories of her husband’s administration, in which Cisneros served, although Cisneros left the Cabinet amid personal and legal scandal.

    “I want her to be president because I think she can help Mexicans,” said Jose Sarabia, 49, who attended Saturday’s event and plans to caucus for Clinton. “There are a lot of problems with immigration, and if she is president, I think she will help us.”

    Esther Garcia, 67, said Clinton appeals to her because she doesn’t appear to think she’s better than anybody else.

    “She has not forgotten the lower class people,” she said. “She does not look down on us.”

    Contact reporter Molly Ball at mball @reviewjournal.com or (702) 387-2919.
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  • robert ethan

    How are the lawyers going to screen Rezko’s jurors? “Do you think he is guilty?”…….”Possibly”……….”Why, just because he is an Arab?”……”No”…….”Sorry, that isn’t good enough, next!”…

  • carbynew

    Robert Ethan has to go…..BAN HIM, BAN HIM, BAN HIM!!!!!!

  • tiburones

    This Obama, Clinton, Bob Johnson, MTP will dominate the news cycle all day tomorrow so be prepared. I know that the MSM will spin this against Hillary but I have a feeling that it will hurt Obambi in the long run. I do hope that both parties and their surrogates could put an end to this and move on to more important things like the economy.

    Regarding his day late $5mil more stimulus plan, he got caught sleeping and is playing catch up. That is too his detriment. Another thing, I thought that TImmy was race baiting when he asked Hillary about referring to herself a s a ‘workhorse’ as if to imply that Obami was lazy. I’ve been hearing Clinton and others including the Repubs refer to her as a ‘wrokhorse from years aglo. It is sad that I have to come to the conclusion that MSNBC and NBC is in the tank for Obambi. Also, the NY is shameless in distorying her comments.

  • Paula

    I’m just glad Bob Johnson didn’t back down, as terrondt said.

  • carbynew

    The media is doing the same thing as before…they push the Iraq war because they thought they were right and they are trying to push Obama down are throats because they think they are right and have the power to play kingmakers.

    When did our media become propogandists?

  • dot48

    re the msm tomorrow…i’m already boycotting. Will get what I need to know from here. I already know how the media will spin this.

    Hillary got no media for her historic win in NH. This MTP interview was going to be a positive thing for her and they planned this … to sabatoge anything positive for her.

  • robert ethan

    You guys just need torches and pitchforks to make the Middle Ages analogy complete. “Heretic!”……..”Drive him away!”…..”Kill him!”.

    No one has complained that what I posted was UNTRUE. Only that it is UNCOMFORTABLE. Fine, pull the covers over your heads, and go back to sleep.

  • alcina

    dot48

    now that you mention it, did MTP even mention HRC’s historic NH win this morning?

  • S

    Obama and his team do not care about the democratic party, they would just as soon tear it apart…maybe there is an independent movement with Obama, Trippi, Axelrod and Edwards, etc down the road…for now…it is Obama the Divider…this is taking on a sinister feel…from the start O was pitting Dems against Dems, then came the youth against the ‘over the hill boomers’, then blacks against whites, and now blacks fighting blacks…Who is this man uniting? This is despair, not hope…this is painful and cynical…

    as for his future as President…remember he has put us on notice…if we want him, it is now or never…because he and Michelle will not ‘be in the mood’ for this later…they will have moved on…his words…

    his smugness…that smirk…are becoming irritating…

    I hope Hillary will come to Tuesday’s debate with multi, SPECIFIC examples of her work on civil rights and with the AA community…she must make her service SPECIFICALLY KNOWN during that debate…because this topic is sure to come up in the hands of Tim Russett…she needs to emphasize that while O was a toddler she was walking the walk and talking the talk…O is 46…he was born into a whole different set of circumstances…he is in no position to question Hillary’s commitment to civil rights…what did he do for those tenants that were left in the cold?

  • dot48

    nope alcina. he was in attack mode not offering even a congratulatory greeting for it that I remember. I left with about 5 minutes or so left due to church.

  • Paula

    Not that it was historic. Timmeh only mentioned the “cry” and said the lady who asked the question ended up voting for Obama (she was leaning Obama anyway but he conveniently left that out).

  • Paula

    S, I’m sure she’ll be ready.

  • HillaryforTexas

    ADMIN PLEASE, WE NEED A BAN.

    Now it’s not even the smearing crap, just the fact that he is being an ass and his Mama must’ve taught him no manners.

    robert, you brought it on yourself. We tried to get you to voluntarily leave that subject alone but please join us in discussing other things – you refused.

  • mj

    Paula Says:

    January 13th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    Not that it was historic. Timmeh only mentioned the “cry” and said the lady who asked the question ended up voting for Obama (she was leaning Obama anyway but he conveniently left that out).

    God, that’s divisive. Why do they do that? Oh, this woman didn’t vote for you, she voted for Obama. Hahaha. Never mind that women in NH came out big time for Hillary. Nearly half the women who voted in the primary voted for Hillary.

  • Paula

    Yahoo front page has story titled, “BET founder Bob Johnson criticizes Obama.”

  • mj

    Who voted in the “democratic primary”.

  • alcina

    i know it’s only a gut-feel, but i just can’t envision the folks in nevada falling for this punk.

  • Emjay

    Tiburones

    The work-horse versus race-horse labeling is a century-old Senate tradition.

    You get labeled by your senior colleagues and it’s almost like a hazing when you are a freshman senator. And “the seniors” do it on their own timing. Hillary got labeled a workhorse shortly after her first floor speech.

    My understanding is that her designation was based on the amount of research and other background work she did on her inaugural speech plus some heavy duty committee work from the git-go.

  • carbynew

    Supporters Come Out Swinging
    Posted by Fernando Suarez| 5

    (CBS)From CBS News’ Fernando Suarez:

    COLUMBIA, S.C. — With the South Carolina primary only a few weeks away and with poll numbers showing a tight presidential contest, Hillary Clinton’s campaign is sharpening the rhetoric.

    During a town hall meeting at Columbia College, Clinton was introduced by Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television. Johnson spent most of the time taking jabs at Barack Obama’s experience.

    “My heart, my pride goes out to him,” Johnson, an African-American, said of Obama.

    “I have a young 18-year-old son named Brett. I’d like to think Brett one day could run for president. But I tell you this, I also have a head. And my head tells me, ‘Don’t vote for a candidate because they’re black.'”

    At one point, Johnson, who as a “HillRaiser” is a top fund-raiser for Clinton, made what some interpreted as a veiled reference to Obama’s admitted drug use as a teen.

    “I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think that Hillary and Bill Clinton who have been deeply and emotionaly involved in black issues – when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood that I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in his book – when they have been involved.”

    Immediately the press began to scurry to get a response from the traveling press secretary who said Johnson wasn’t referring to Obama’s previous drug use, but rather to his days as a community organizer.

    The Clinton campaign drew fire last month for similar comments made about Obama’s drug use by Bill Shaheen, one of Clinton’s New Hampshire co-chairs. Shaheen later stepped down as a result.

    Before Johnson took the stage, Clinton supporter Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, D-Ohio, told the crowd she thinks Clinton is the best qualified person to run for president saying “there’s no guesswork” when it comes to Clinton.

    “There’s no competition in this. I dont know why they keep playing this game about competition. Ain’t no competition,” said Tubbs-Jones, also an African-American.

    “We need to stop the guesswork. No guesswork. Put the record, one against the other.”

    The full-court press with a couple of Clinton’s high-profile African-American supporters comes as polls in South Carolina – a state where half of Democratic primary voters in 2004 were African-American – show Obama ahead of Clinton.

    From one coast to another, Clinton is courting minority groups as she heads into next week’s Nevada caucuses and the South Carolina primary on the 26th. Just yesterday, Clinton spent most of the day attending events with a focus on the large Hispanic population in Nevada.

    UPDATE, 4:58pm: Obama’s campaign released a statement from former S.C. state Rep. I.S. Leevy Johnson, who reacted to Bob Johnson’s comments: “It’s offensive that Senator Clinton literally stood by and said nothing as another one of her campaign’s top supporters launched a personal, divisive attack on Barack Obama. For someone who decries the politics of personal destruction, she should’ve immediately denounced these attacks on the spot.”

    Bob Johnson also released a written statement to clarify his remarks: “My comments today were referring to Barack Obama’s time spent as a community organizer, and nothing else. Any other suggestion is simply irresponsible and incorrect.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/13/politics/fromtheroad/entry3706116.shtml

  • HillaryforTexas

    alcina, I would think that Nevadans of all people would recognize a fast talking hustler showman. I could be wrong, but we’ll see.

  • Paula

    mj, Timmeh’s the quintessential Georgetown Social Club member, as hwc would put it. Hillary’s just getting in the way of Obama’s coronation, and he can’t stand it.

  • Laken4

    I remember watching Charlie Rose shortly after September 11th, 2001 when he and his guest, Tim Russert, were discussing the gathering at Yankee Stadium. TR claimed that the audience revered Guiliani and booed HRC which I find difficult to believe. Whether or not it was true, the abject glee he displayed when telling Charlie just how much the New Yorkers, that’s right, the ones who gave her a decisive senate victory, despised her was eerie. He was so thrilled that it made CR uncomfortable because it was uncalled for. The interview was not supposed to be about HRC but TR could not stop himself from trashing her because it, obviously, makes him feel good. A fair network would have dismissed him for uncontrolled bias over a decade ago.

  • alcina

    i have a brother and sister living in las vegas. both blue-collar, both union ( non-culinary ) i cannot imagine either one caucusing for BO. not in a million years.

  • Hillary4Texas

    Voters in Nevada are used to Carnival Barkers and will see through him.

    Sound familar:

    Unusual Ways of Making a Living

    Carnival Barker: Hustlers of all types can find their life’s calling or an exciting summer job working as a carny. The job offers good pay (commission averaging $250 per week in lucrative locales), travel, and excitement. Long hours–often an 18-hour shift–are standard, and strong vocal cords are a must. It’s also necessary to learn carnival language: A barker is a carny, a customer is a mark, a booth or concession is a joint, cheap prizes are slum. To apply, go to the nearest State or county fair when it opens and speak with the joint-owners. Tell them you want to be a “1st-of-May” (carny for short-term or new employee).

  • alcina

    laken4

    this is the same shit (abject glee) we stood up to last week in NH.

  • TeamClinton08

    Hispanic Voters Prefer Hillary:

    Nationally, among Hispanics who are registered Democrats, 59 percent said they want Clinton to be their party’s presidential candidate, followed by 15 percent who prefer Obama, according to a survey released last month by the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center.

    Source:
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTON_HISPANICS?SITE=NEYOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  • Emjay

    Sugar @7:57

    I totally agree w/ you…said last night that at the NH 100 Dinner and even during his concession speech, if I closed my eyes, I was back in the big white tent in Piedmont Park, waving a fan at my neck and trying to not fall asleep.

  • Just saw video of Bob Johnson’s comments on Foxnews. I wish they would put the clip on their website.

  • TeamClinton08

    Hispanics heavily favor Hillary according to this report:

    Nationally, among Hispanics who are registered Democrats, 59 percent said they want Clinton to be their party’s presidential candidate, followed by 15 percent who prefer Obama, according to a survey released last month by the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center.

    Source:

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTON_HISPANICS?SITE=NEYOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  • HillaryforTexas

    Emjay, as someone who grew up hearing preachers and tent revivals, you are dead on. Same feel, same vibe. Ego and charisma wrapped in rhetoric. Turns me off. Not what I want in a world leader.

    I keep expecting someone at an Obama rally to start speaking in tongues or get slain in the Spirit.

  • Emjay

    Waaay off topic.

    Whatzup w/ Hawk?

    Admin? Anyone?

  • chaz356

    Forgive me for my ignorance but why is Husseins past drug use out of bounds,
    Johnson is right I am an african american white people owe me nothing I am tired of people being held hostage by these thugs. This is clear Jesse Jackson Sr and Jr extortion tactics it will not work my brothers in the AA community Jesse Jackson is a millionaire so is Hussein now do not be used any more, then they live you high and dry after they win.

  • dot48

    H4T, they will probably stage that if they think they can twist it to an evil sent by Hillary.

  • emkay

    Ethan,

    I HAVE pointed out that you are trying to connect Obama to the tragedy in Kenya with no evidence whatsoever and that it is as bad or worse than connecting Hillary to Benazir Bhutto’s death. You KNOW that in the U.S., there is no such thing as ‘half-black’. Even if your mother is white you are considered black. Stop it already. He is not responsible for Kenya. So what if his father and Odinga come from the same ethnic group? It is totally IRRELEVANT.
    There is enough to vet Obama on. I think you are trying to get this site in
    trouble.
    trouble.

  • dot48

    see there goes foxs nut case contributor trying to tie this lawsuit to Hillary. He is adamant she is behind it.
    Slimeball just keeps jabbing at her.

    I hope the Teachers that brought this lawsuit step up and quiet yet another rumor mill.

  • Emjay

    WOW TeamClinton08 !

    That’s not the first time you’ve “come down from the stacks with the facts” in record time!

    Thank you…you’ll notice several inquiring minds wanted to know, plus hangers-on like me.

  • tiburones

    Decent posting on Huffpo comparing Obambi’s and Hillary’s stance on the Iraq war. Perhaps you guys can post comments there.

    Hillary Clinton today used her appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press to question whether Barack Obama really has strongly opposed the Iraq War. You can watch the video here and then read Obama’s response here. Getting past the sheer absurdity of Clinton — one of the chief proponents of the war — attacking Obama for not opposing the war enough, let’s just take a look at the record and ask a simple question: Who is correct? As you’ll see, it’s not such a cut-and-dry issue.

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    Here’s what I reported back in 2006 in my profile of Obama for The Nation:

    Then there is the Iraq War. Obama says that during his 2004 election campaign he “loudly and vigorously” opposed the war. As the New Yorker noted, “many had been drawn initially by Obama’s early opposition to the invasion.” But “when his speech at the antiwar rally in 2002 was quietly removed from his campaign Web site,” the magazine reported, “activists found that to be an ominous sign” — one that foreshadowed Obama’s first months in the Senate. Indeed, through much of 2005, Obama said little about Iraq, displaying a noticeable deference to Washington’s bipartisan foreign policy elite, which had pushed the war. One of Obama’s first votes as a senator was to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her integral role in pushing the now-debunked propaganda about Iraq’s WMD.

    In November Obama’s reticence on the war ended. Five days after hawkish Democratic Representative Jack Murtha famously called for a withdrawal, Obama gave a speech calling for a drawdown of troops in 2006. “Those of us in Washington have fallen behind the debate that is taking place across America on Iraq,” he said. But then he retreated. On Meet the Press in January, Obama regurgitated catchphrases often employed by neoconservatives to caricature those demanding a timetable for withdrawal. “It would not be responsible for us to unilaterally and precipitously draw troops down,” he said. Then, as polls showed support for the war further eroding, Obama tacked again, giving a speech in May attacking the war and mocking the “idea that somehow if you say the words ‘plan for victory’ and ‘stay the course’ over and over and over and over again… that somehow people are not going to notice the 2,400 flag-draped coffins that have arrived at the Dover Air Force Base.” (emphasis added)

    In April of 2007, I wrote this small piece for Radar Magazine, noting some more back-and-forth:

    When it comes to his Iraq dance, has Barack Obama stolen his moves from Hillary Clinton? The freshman senator has been trying to position himself as the antiwar candidate in the Democratic presidential primary, but this weekend he told the Associated Press that he will support continued funding for the war — even if President Bush follows through on a pledge to veto any hard withdrawal date.

    That move puts Obama in lonely, treacherous waters — directly in opposition to Democrats like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who announced he will push to cut off funding for the war within a year.

    But it’s not the first time Obama has bounced around on Iraq. He regularly says he’s against the Iraq war, for example, but when asked by the New York Times in July 2004 how he would have voted in 2002, he said, “What would I have done? I don’t know.” Fast forward to 2006 when he told the New Yorker’s David Remnick that senators who saw intelligence reports on Iraq may have been justified in voting for the invasion. “I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence,” he said. “And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices.” (emphasis added)

    So yes, Obama did oppose the war back in 2002. But yes, between that speech and the announcement of his presidential run when loud opposition to the war became a Democratic primary necessity, he has dithered between not talking about the war, supporting funding for the war, and even suggesting that he might have voted for the war had he been in the U.S. Senate at the time.

    Clinton, as I suggested to start, is making a fool out of herself by attacking Obama for not opposing the war more strongly. As Obama himself today correctly pointed out, he “stood up against the war when she was voting for it, at a time when she didn’t read the intelligence reports or give diplomacy a chance.” At the very moment Obama was speaking out against the war, she was actually IN the U.S. Senate helping drive the country into war by being the most famous Democrat in America pushing it.

    All of that said, however, outside of this particular campaign scuffle, those who want the war to end should be cognizant of Obama’s full record. While it is true that, as Obama said, he “clearly and unambiguously oppose[d] the war in Iraq,” it is also true that he did not always clearly and unambiguously use his position or platform to help actually end the war in Iraq. And just as Clinton’s strong support of the Iraq War is relevant, so too is Obama’s behavior, as both records may indicate what these candidates would — and would not — do as president.

    Cross-posted from Credo Action

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  • dot48

    what are the chances this lawsuit might work. These precincts will put those workers in a bind. talk about voter manipulation.

  • Fox running poll on who is using race as an issue more Hillary or O

    they are running total up against her.

    youdecide08.foxnews.com/

  • Laken4

    I believe the Obama campaign feels entitled to use whatever it takes to divide the Democratic party into pieces more easily managed by the GOP because this plays right into the hands of the Republicans. This man, supposedly without a past (we know better), is allowing himself to be used as a battering ram against this country’s best chance for redemption for the last seven years. I don’t recognize any loyalty toward the Democratic party or toward the voters. While he may not be actively working for a default GOP victory, his actions are difficult to differentiate from the wedges the Republicans used in 2004 over the marriage equality issue. They put it on the ballot in as many states as possible and used it to pit communities with similar interests against each other. Obama has already given his approval to the tactic with his Donnie McClurkin revival earlier in SC. His using racism is more of the same. He’s perfectly willing to throw under the bus whoever he feels is in the way of his mission. What his mission is remains to be seen.

  • mj

    What a divisive poll. How the heck has Hillay used the race issue? It was Obama’s guy who was out accusing Hillary of faking tears and not crying over Katrina.

  • TeamClinton08

    Your welcome Emjay 🙂 I’

  • dot48

    i voted on fox news poll. can’t vote more than once. everyone needs to vote.

  • clear your cookies and revote. screw them..

  • dot48

    mj, oreially will cite that poll tomorrow…also hannity. if we could turn it on them it would be our truth

  • TeamClinton08

    What a load of BS that fox poll is! When the hell has Hillary used race in this campaign?! Keep on voting. Dot is right they will use that bogus poll to bash Hillary.

  • http://search.eb.com/women/article-9095812

    Encyclopedia Brittanica bio on Hillary, updated since NH. 🙂

  • tiburones

    Michelle Obama at the Trumpet Awards. Why isn’t this being talked about? This isn’t code, this is simply laced with race invective. If Clinton were to give a speech punctuated with references to herself as a woman canidate, the MSM would be all over it. Taken from http://www.newsmax.com

    Michelle Obama: Husband No Fairy Tale

    Sunday, January 13, 2008 7:59 PM

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    Michelle Obama said Sunday her husband is the person America needs in the White House right now and criticized anyone who would dismiss his campaign as being built on illusion or fairy tale.

    She said Barack Obama is the right candidate “not because of the color of his skin, but because of the quality and consistency of his character” and that postponing his bid for the White House was not an option.

    “I know about the sense of doubt and fear about what the future holds, that keeps us hoping and waiting for a turn that will never come,” she said. “There are a lot of doubters and naysayers out there talking about, ‘I’m not sure America is ready for a black president.'”

    But she declared that “we are more ready and prepared than we can ever know.”

    Greeted by a standing ovation when she took the stage at the opening of the Trumpet Awards _ an event celebrating black achievement _ she went on to criticize anyone who would “dismiss this moment as an illusion, a fairy tale” in an obvious reference to comments made by Bill Clinton, the spouse of her husband’s main rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, who used the term “fairy tale” to refer to Obama’s characterization of his position on the Iraq war.

    Among that group, she included blacks who might be skeptical about whether Obama is electable. She pointed to his showing in Iowa and New Hampshire and said she is optimistic about his chances in the upcoming South Carolina Democratic primary _ when the black vote will first factor into the election.

    “We had a miraculous victory in Iowa,” Michelle Obama said. “Ain’t no black people in Iowa! Something big, something new is happening. Let’s build the future we all know is possible. Let’s show our kids that America is ready for Barack Obama right now.”

    Michelle Obama’s remarks were also peppered with references to Coretta Scott King and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., whose 79th birthday is Tuesday.

    © 2008 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

  • robert ethan

    emkay – The connection is Dick Morris. The idea for Odinga to send people into the streets to protest the election results came from Morris. Based on the example of Louis Farrakhan, a friend of Obama’s Chicago pastor. Originally they were going to hold a “Million Person March” January 8. Does that sound familiar? The 11th hour phone calls from Obama to Odinga to hold off on that were for Obama’s PR reasons as much as anything.

    The misapprehension that he was “mediating” the dispute went unchallenged. The last word we were left with was that Obama was “trying to call Kibaki”. But members of Kibaki’s government have already denounced Obama as “Odinga’s stooge” based on their friendship and shared heritage. As Odinga mentioned, he and Obama “speak often”, but Kibaki doesn’t bother to return Obama’s calls. Meanwhile kids on the streets of Kenya are saying “Obama will buy me a new bicycle when he becomes President of America”. His candidacy is a big deal over there, and the common refrain is “A Luo will become President in America before a Luo will become President in Kenya.”. It is a rallying cry of Odinga supporters, and forms part of the outrage that drives them to kill their Kikuyu neighbours.

    The dubious “contribution” of Dick Morris to the conflagration is equally suspect, in light of his efforts to misapply American political practices in an African setting. Joe Trippi did the same thing in Nigeria earlier in 2007, but fortunately was as ineffectual as he is in America. Trippi got a cool $200,000 for a few weeks worth of bad advice, and we are supposed to believe that Morris was working “pro bono” for Odinga? Dick Morris wouldn’t work pro bono for his own disabled Aunt Molly, never mind some guy he’d never met, halfway around the world. Particularly while the State of Connecticut was chasing him for $300,000 in unpaid taxes.

  • Paula

    Heck, newsmax is a right-wing site but they got the context of Bill Clinton’s remarks correct. Will wonders never cease …

  • pulchritude

    Michelle Obama is now arguing that Bill Clinton’s use of the term “fairy tale” referred not to Barack Obama’s opposition to the war on Iraq but to any African-American’s bid for the Presidency? Not only is her misrepresentation of Bill Clinton’s statement disingenuous; it is shameless, for she knowingly and willfully uttered this defamation at an event where African-American achievement is celebrated. If anyone ever needed evidence that the Obama campaign is bent on dividing the Party along racial lines in order to win South Carolina, one only needs to review the article tiburones cites above. This is outrageous.

  • tiburones

    I’m not sure how this lawsuit will shake out. I’m thinking that it may be too late to register a complaint but who knows. Perhaps, Okieattorney can fill us in. I do know on the merits, it does disenfranchise other workers non affiliated with the hotel industries. I believe that the union vote will be spilit and I believe that Hispanics will overwhelmingly go for Hillary. I don’t know what the make up of Blacks are in NV or if the previously mentioned groups will be enough for her to win.

    I know that I don’t like the Caucus system and I hope that they don’t have same day registration in NV.

  • mj

    It’s Newsmax, so I would take this article with a grain of salt.

  • mp

    Update from Nevada:

    Spent day canvassing. lookg good and quite fun. Hard work but word is getting around and we feel we are being listened to.

    Nevadans DO not like Causus – they feel it should be a primary election with their votes being private and also allows more accessible hrs. and absentee voting. That is the key.

  • alcina

    admin

    one request before signing off for the evening. puleeze take out the garbage.

    thanks.

  • emkay

    Ethan,

    So we should be mad at Dick Morris. Why fan this up into something against Obama? This is not relevant to the U.S. campaign. It is so obvious this site does not want to go there. Take it elsewhere, please.

  • mollyjrichards

    Pulchritude: This is the same sort of crap that Russert was spinning on MTP this morning. It is an insult to everybody and anybody who worked on behalf of civil rights in this country. I am so angry about this. You can’t unite by dividing. You can unite people by fear or lies. But this is incredibly irresponsible to call people racisits. If you look at the whole quote, which was shown (I think on Olberman) last week, there is no questiion that Bill Clinton was talking about Obama’s “fairy tale” that he has consistently been against the war on Iraq. The best predictor of future behavior is the past: if Obama and his folks lie now for their benefit, they will continue to do so.

  • pulchritude

    admin,

    i and others hear hope you will delete all comments by robert ethan.

    are there any other reactions to michelle obama’s comments? i am stunned. indeed, my jaw has dropped to the floor.

  • mp

    Obama’s father and Raila Odinga’s fathers were very close friends.

    Raila has ason named Fidel.

    The kikuyus and Luos are main tribe in kenya.

    jomo kenyatta – a kikuyu was a major freedon fighter in the late 1950s and early 1960s fighting for the freedom of Kenya.

    Obama’s father came to the US then.

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    Believe me I cannot fathom why Dick Morris went to meet Raila in Kenya.

    Also why did Auma obama, Obama’s half sister from his father’s side who I believe now lives in the UK and is not a US citizen or a legal resident in the US have a fund raiser for Obama in Kenya a few months ago.
    Someone needs to look into this!

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    I have also seen rumors on some african internet sites that the Raila Odinga’s party was heavily funded by a middle eastern country – though I do not have proof of it.

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  • Paula

    mp, Why did Nevada choose a caucus over a primary?

  • mj

    stop with this crap.

  • pulchritude

    The Associated Press article to which I reacted above is availabe online. Here is the URL for the article:

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jyah1Vm8PgxuOcHpBk2RcIBgY4CQD8U5AVC00

  • HillaryforTexas

    mp, STOP IT. His father and his Kenyan family have nothing to do with anything at all. Jesus Christ, how many people are we going to have to call out over this?

    ADMIN! PLEASE GET RID OF ROBERTNATHAN – HE SEEMS TO HAVE STARTED A TREND.

  • OkieAtty

    Tib, SCOTUS says state parties get to choose their won procedures for primaries. States stay out of the mix unless there is something unconstitutional about how the nomination process occurs. I haven’t read the text of the Petition, but my understanding is that the complainants are arguing the at-large precincts allow for undue sway at the seven sites over other precincts. IOW, they mathematically produce a system in which 7 sites can decide the entire state primary because of the ability for those sites to have large populations of caucus goers.

    Figure the average site might have say 200 caucus goers (just a random number for this example). Throw in a few areas that could have 1000+ and they dilute the power of the vote elsewhere. The argument being that 7 sites can produce a result not indicative of the average of all other sites. I’m not a mathematician so I may have gotten this wrong, but the gist of the argument is that the state party caucus rules have been manipulated to such a degree that one candidate could benefit over the others. That would be offensive to the aims of democracy and thus something the courts might address.

    Now I have to point out I practice in one state and this is occurring where I do not have a license, but the general principles are the same for the most part. Also, you have to note the two parties stack the deck in their own favors when determining their primary rules. Here in OK FI, independents can’t have a primary. And an independent must get 44K signatures to get on the GE ballot. It’s pretty rough and very expensive.

    If LV has 7 at-large sites in one area for one special type of voter (i.e. casino workers) it could also be a form of discrimination against other voters. Courts look at things like motive, prima facie evidence of discrimination or administration to determine permissibility on Constitutional grounds. We used to call it the M.A.P. test.

    This thing might have legs. And since it’s in fed court, I’d look for a quick oral argument.

  • mj

    I AGREE. WHERE THE HECK IS THE ADMINSTRATOR? THIS IS DISGUSTING.

  • OkieAtty

    Please, mp, as Susan Powter would say, “STOP THE MADNESS!”

  • Re HIllary’s 2002 vote on Iraq etc, see
    http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:W9F5-Voiu3EJ:theunknowncandidate.blogspot.com/2007/02/defending-hillary.html+David+Brooks+%22liberal+purge%22+Hillary+diplomacy&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=15&gl=us&client=opera

    After the initial snark it’s reprint of David Brooks, a conservative, who has analyzled Hillary’s statements in 2002 and since and defends and praises her. Very good stuff!

  • pulchritude

    Todd Beeton of MyDD, stenographer for the Obama campaign, believes Johnson’s comment is a sign of Hillary’s willingness to concede SC to Barack Obama. Nothing is further from the truth. Indeed, I volunteered in SC yesterday, and I saw no signs of the Clinton campaign closing their operations.

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    mp Says:
    January 13th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Obama’s father and Raila Odinga’s fathers were very close friends.

  • Emjay

    Tiburone@9:49

    You might also want to check out Taylor Marsh’s conversation w/ Joe Wilson and Valarie Plame. At one point, Amb. Wilson speaks to BO’s back and forth, never mind his naivete, about the war from 2002 onward..

    It’s very illuminating.

  • lninla

    this is maddening – this.. who is racist?, was it racist?, can it be read as racist? stuff that the Obama supporters and his campaign are perpetuating. Obama can stop all of this nonsense, by just saying, “I do or I don’t believe the Clintons are racist.” GEEZ…but instead, he keeps the news cycle going. It’s like an all-powerful mediator has to come out and make a decision for him..this is Obama voting present all over again. Notice how

    At some point, people are going to turn off the news…I have to say, Giuliani had a commercial where he had all the talking head pundits, and his commercial was “turn down the noise”…and the spirit of that commercial is right…people will just stop listening.

  • Obama plants, now that news media is reporting on comments made on this site, the best way to attack us is to have lunatic rantings on it. All in an effort to discredit our ideas and thoughts.

  • Tiberones —
    Decent posting on Huffpo comparing Obambi’s and Hillary’s stance on the Iraq war. Perhaps you guys can post comments there.

    It would help a lot if you posted a link or at least the title of the particular ‘diary’ or whatever it is.

    Anyway I just posted here a very good cite from David Brooks defending Hillary. Apparently she was being bi-partisan for Powell. So much for bi-partisianship. Tehre are lots of good points in that article, much praise of HIllary. Do look at it.

  • tiburones

    http://www.nytimes.com story. I will state again, a truce needs to be called and Obambi needs to not protest too much.

    By ADAM NAGOURNEY
    Published: January 14, 2008

    LAS VEGAS — After staying on the sidelines in the first year of the campaign, race and to a lesser extent gender have burst into the forefront of the Democratic presidential contest, thrusting Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton into the middle of a sharp-edged social and political debate that transcends their candidacies.
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    In a tense day of exchanges by the candidates and their supporters, Mrs. Clinton suggested on Sunday that Mr. Obama’s campaign, in an effort to inject race into the contest, distorted remarks she had made about the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    Mr. Obama tartly dismissed Mrs. Clinton’s suggestion, adding that “the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous.”

    Mr. Obama’s campaign then attacked Mrs. Clinton for failing to repudiate one of her top black supporters for “engaging in the politics of destruction” with an apparent reference to Mr. Obama’s acknowledged drug use in the past. And throughout the day, supporters of Mrs. Clinton and of Mr. Obama each accused the other of injecting race in search of political gain.

    The exchanges created apprehension among many of their supporters who viewed this moment — if perhaps inevitable, given the nature of the contest — as divisive for Democrats. At the same time, it offered a portrait of a party struggling through entirely unfamiliar terrain that has been brought into relief by Mr. Obama’s victory in Iowa and Mrs. Clinton’s in New Hampshire.

    Two factors have helped create the atmosphere in which race and gender are coming to play a more prominent role. The first is that Democrats now increasingly view both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton as credible and electable candidates, given their victories.

    In addition, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are now moving into a series of contests, particularly in South Carolina but also in California, where black voters could play a pivotal role.

    Indeed, both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama spoke from the pulpits of black churches on Sunday, Mr. Obama in Las Vegas and Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina.

    The candidates and their campaigns have not been innocent bystanders to all this. In fact, since her loss in Iowa, Mrs. Clinton has, subtly but unmistakably, pushed gender, engaging in a series of events intended to present her in softer ways. Many Democrats believe that Mrs. Clinton won New Hampshire after a decisive swing of women into her camp, particularly after a debate on the Saturday night before the primary in which John Edwards and Mr. Obama joined forces in criticizing her.

    “I never thought we would see the day when an African-American and a woman were competing for the presidency of the United States,” she told black parishioners at a Presbyterian church in Columbia, S.C. “Many of you in this sanctuary were born before African-Americans could vote. So this is not a piece of history that is happening to someone else; this is happening to us.”

    Mr. Obama, reflecting the different way he has talked about race during his own campaigns, took pains in speaking at a church service here on Sunday to avoid portraying his election as historic because of the possibility of putting an African-American in the White House.

    “We’re on the brink or cusp of doing something important; we can make history,” Mr. Obama said, speaking to a few hundred worshipers at the Pentecostal Temple Church of God. “I know everybody is focused on racial history. That’s not what I’m talking about. We can make history by being, the first time in a very long time, a grass-roots movement of people of all colors.”

    Mrs. Clinton said Sunday, in an interview on the NBC program “Meet the Press,” that she was hopeful race and gender would not be an issue in this contest.

    Still, supporters of Mr. Obama said in interviews Sunday that they were concerned Mrs. Clinton and her allies might be deliberately raising the issue of race at the very time that Mr. Obama had shown signs of taking off.

    “I don’t want to believe that, but I’ve got to tell you I’m wondering,” said Representative Elijah E. Cummings, a Maryland Democrat who is black and an Obama supporter. “I don’t want to believe it is true.”

    Mrs. Clinton and her supporters denied that. Geraldine A. Ferraro, who was the Democratic candidate for vice president in 1984, said she thought Mr. Obama and his campaign were fanning the issue to draw black voters away from Mrs. Clinton before the primary in South Carolina, where about 50 percent of the electorate is expected to be black.

    “As soon anybody from the Clinton campaign opens their mouth in a way that could make it seem as if they were talking about race, it will be distorted,” Mrs. Ferraro said. “The spin will be put on it that they are talking about race. The Obama campaign is appealing to their base and their base is the African-American community. What they are trying to do is move voters from Clinton by distorting things. What have they got to lose?”

    In a sign of how the issue was churning the waters, Mr. Edwards, also speaking at a church in South Carolina, expressed pride in Mr. Obama while criticizing Mrs. Clinton for what some have seen as her suggesting that President Lyndon B. Johnson deserved more credit than Dr. King for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

  • robert ethan

    This excerpt taken from a recent article in the Toronto (Canada) Star perhaps best explains the point I was trying (unsuccsessfully apparently) to make…………………..Regardless of family ties, one leading Kenyan analyst sees interesting parallels between Obama and Odinga, both of whom have shown a charismatic sway as merchants of hope and reform.

    “Obama now is showing the ability to command broad support with a message of change that is very similar to what we saw Odinga achieve in the Kenyan election. The difference is that in Kenya the result has shaken the nation to its core,” said Musambayi Katamanga, senior lecturer in political science at the University of Nairobi.

    “So when Kenyans see this Obama breakthrough in America, it awakens in them hope for how we might be able to move out of this situation we are in.

    “With both Odinga and Obama, you have a feeling almost as if their destinies are ordained. In the end, their character will determine where they go.”

  • tiburones

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    “As someone who grew up in the segregated South, I feel an enormous amount of pride when I see the success that Senator Barack Obama is having in this campaign,” said Mr. Edwards, who grew up in North Carolina. He added: “I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Rev. Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician. I fundamentally disagree with that.”
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    Mr. Obama spoke in general terms Sunday about the attacks on his candidacy on a day when Mrs. Clinton specifically challenged his record on opposing the Iraq war.

    “I think they have decided to run a relentlessly negative campaign, and I don’t think anybody who’s watching would deny that,” he said. “I gather that she’s determined that instead of trying to sell herself on why she would be the best president, she’s trying to convince folks that I wouldn’t be a good one.”

    Aides to both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama expressed squeamishness at the direction the conversation was heading. And publicly, the campaigns spent much of the day shadow-boxing on an issue that advisers to both of them described as volatile. The issue broke through when Robert L. Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, who appeared at a rally with Mrs. Clinton in Columbia, S.C., seemed to allude to Mr. Obama’s use of cocaine as a young man.

    “To me, as an African-American, I am frankly insulted that the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues since Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood — and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book — when they have been involved,” Mr. Johnson said.

    Mr. Johnson later issued a statement saying he was referring to Mr. Obama’s work as a labor organizer in Chicago, which he described in his book “Dreams From My Father.”

    Asked about Mr. Johnson’s statement, Mr. Obama said, “What’s there to respond to?”

    “I’m not going to spend all my time running down the other candidates, which seems to be what Senator Clinton has been obsessed with for the last month,” he said.
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  • HillaryforTexas

    pulchritude, Obama is banking it all on SC, and he is scared. Simple as that. He knows that not only must he win SC, he must win it by a BIG margin.

    He is not worried about the national race at this point. Because if Hillary beats him or even comes within 10 points of beating him in SC, it is over for him. Period. There is no way he is getting elected if he can’t carry SC in a landslide.

    That is what this is about. Not only the AA vote in SC, but browbeating white liberals and the very young (who maybe don’t know better) into maybe thinking the Clintons are racists, and if you vote for her you are endorsing racism. THE CLINTONS, of all people! Oh, it’s ugly. Damn ugly.

    But if I know SC (and I lived there my entire life til a year ago), this is going to backfire.

  • Tiburones – re HuffPo thread and HIllary 2002, here’s a link to Brooks’ defense direct to the NYT site:
    http://select.nytimes.com/2007/02/15/opinion/15brooks.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/C/Clinton,%20Hillary%20Rodham&oref=slogin

    This is a wonderful resource.

  • AmericanGal

    What a crazy day…I am dreading going to work tomorrow as I will have to face my Obama-maniac co-worker who will be all over this racist crap. I have printed out the smoking gun Obama camp racist talking points memo however and plan to give it to him, particularly if he brings up anything on this issue tomorrow. This whole business makes me sad, angry and disgusted…

    I was astounded that Fox News (their political round-table) was defending Hillary today. I hope there will come a point, where things have just gone too far, that the rest of the media will have to respond by going at Obama on this issue as well. If they don’t, well then, I’ve lost all hope that true journalism is still alive…

    As for Hillary, I think she will win Nevada…and, you know what, she may just surprise all in South Carolina too. I think she can do it.

    Is the debate on Tuesday on network TV? I hope she gives them all hell……..enough is enough…

    RobertEthan: add my name to the others, that convoluted, nonsensical garbage you are posting has no place here. Take it somewhere else…

  • H4T

    I couldn’t agree more, they know they have to win SC very big or his support and money backers will errode very quickly. Now the pressure is on him, he is expected to win big in SC if he does not it is over.

  • AmericanGal

    H4T, I think you have a point on Obama…he desperately wants to win SC although I don’t understand why he went this route to do it. What are they thinking in his camp? It doesn’t make sense. And if he did win in a landslide are they going to keep the racist crap going throughout the other primaries? That’s crazy…

  • pulchritude

    I hope you are right, H4TX. But why are all these bloggers claiming she will concede SC to Obama?

  • mj

    pulchritude, who are “all these bloggers”?

  • AmericanGal

    pulchritude, if the bloggers are correct and Hillary doesn’t compete in SC why all the racist pot stirring by Obama?

  • AmericanGal

    forgot to add…are they saying she won’t campaign there because she already has..

  • mj

    If you are talking about Todd Beeton, he not exactly in the know. He’s small potatoes.

  • After Edwards comments today look for more tag teaming in the debate. She needs to cut Edwards off right at the start to take him out of the debate and put the focus on Obama’s record.

  • rjk1957 Says:
    January 13th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
    Obama plants, now that news media is reporting on comments made on this site, the best way to attack us is to have lunatic rantings on it. All in an effort to discredit our ideas and thoughts.

    Yes, and I think we ought to be careful about posting long excerpts from other sites, even to say we disagree with them. Some parts might be quoted out of context and ascribed to some of us. (Also there’s a copyright issue.) Unless it’s something we really agree with, I think we should post only very short quotes or our own disagreeing comments and a link to the source. Then we can go there and register our disagreement in their comment string.

  • mj

    rjk1957, every time Edwards opens his mouth, he comes off more smarmy than before. He’s burying himself.

  • admin

    HillaryForTexas you are exactly right on South Carolina and what Obama is up to. It is a tactical move which destroys him strategically.

    BTW, we might have a statement later on regarding the Ethan situation. We are loathe to ban anyone. The account has been suspended and ethan can appeal by email and make his case for reinstatement. However, this is a Hillary support site. Racism and bigotry, however veiled, are not tolerated.

    Further, what we have read, after providing a great deal of leeway, does not help Hillary but rather detracts from the issues of concern to all Americans. Hillary is working for ALL Americans.

    It does not seem to us that discussions about tribal issues in Africa are productive. We are always willing to consider being wrong and can be contacted via email to be educated.

  • hehe nah mydd is probably fairest blogsite IMO. jerome, singer and todd balance it out well.

    having said that AG, you dont have to be scared of obamalamadiangalongdongbots as HWC will call them :).. they are weenies.. we are winners :)..

    oh btw, i want 50 cent and majic johnson to slam bwak same way johnson has slammed obambi. 50 cent will put this crap to rest in no time 🙂

  • AmericanGal

    admin, won’t people eventually see Obama’s race baiting as a transparent ploy to get the SC vote. I mean, even those idiots in the MSM will have to say something about it’s affect on the race there. And is the Obama camp so stupid that they don’t care how this impacts down the road? I just don’t get it…

  • HillaryLandRocks

    mj: If you are talking about Todd Beeton, he not exactly in the know. He’s small potatoes.

    Now there’s an understatement :-). Most of those bloggers know nothing, which is why they switch their allegiances like their underwear. I actually commend both BO and Hillary for ignoring them.

    I have no idea what the bloggers are talking about, but with respect to the conversation here — there’s a difference between blowing off the state entirely vs not betting the ranch by spending a lot of time and money. The latter is advisable only if NV is won as a starting point.

  • OandrewD

    Campaign with Maya Angelou
    Campaign with Maya Angelou
    Campaign with Maya Angelou

    One of the if not the most respected person in African-American culture is on team Hillary. I think they should showcase that.

  • mj

    Is it just Todd Beeton? Someone said “all the bloggers”. So who aside from Beeton?

  • TeamClinton08

    The last polls I saw showed Hillary losing to Obama from 7 to 10 points. That can be overcomed! No way is Hillary not competing in SC. Why do you think Obama is stirring this whole race thing: he knows Hillary is very competitive when it comes to the AA vote. She can still pull off a win there although is going to be tough. No matter what happens in SC Hillary will win Nevada and all the other Feb 5 states excluding Illinois (Obamas home state) and take the nomination.

  • TeamClinton08

    Great suggestion Oandrewd! Maya Angelou is one of the most prominent, inspiring and successful AA woman in the country. Hillary should definitely campaign with her.

  • lninla

    It’s so obvious when you look at this objectively who is trying to benefit. How would playing the so-called “race card” benefit Clinton – it DOES NOT. But as Geraldine Ferraro said in the above posted by Tiburones: “As soon anybody from the Clinton campaign opens their mouth in a way that could make it seem as if they were talking about race, it will be distorted,” Mrs. Ferraro said. “The spin will be put on it that they are talking about race. The Obama campaign is appealing to their base and their base is the African-American community. What they are trying to do is move voters from Clinton by distorting things. What have they got to lose?”

  • Emjay

    I’ve emailed Admin

    So…..

    Let’s all take a deep breath, calm down and read the strong positive stuff some folks have brought to us; just for tonight, skip over the rest.

    This primary season is just starting, therefore the mud-slinging, trolling, planting and manure in general is just starting.

    I’ll betcha there is an HRC campaign Instant Response Team, War Room, and Bomb Squad working on the things we’re incensed over as I type, slowly.

    I do recommend Taylor Marsh’s site tonight…it’s packed full…don’t know how she did it with a full day yesterday with the wilsons and at the Las Vegas campaign rally.

  • emkay

    Ethan,

    What came out in the Canadian newspaper in NOT RELEVANT to the U.S. campaign and the issues. Why do you keep trying to push this? I will ignore anything else said about it.

  • pulchritude

    Do these bloggers not think that South Carolinians have access to computers?

  • admin

    AmericanGal, first comes Michigan, then Nevada, only then does the full focus move to South Carolina.

    Trust yourself – you do in fact “get it”. You are right when you say: “And is the Obama camp so stupid that they don’t care how this impacts down the road?” Stupidity and desperation are two sides of the same coin.

    Check out all our previous posts about South Carolina. It is THE state in which Obama MUST win. At this point it does not do him much good anyway. The states that matter are Michigan, Florida, California, New York, New Jersey due to the big delegate slates there. The other states are curtain raisers for the fights in the big states. We posted the latest poll numbers on some of these states. Hillary looks sure to win.

    Axelrod might be stupid but math is math and the delegate count will tell the tale.

  • pulchritude

    I am referring to Todd beeton and the Obama bots in this thread at MyDD:

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/13/223456/525#commenttop

  • mj

    Please stop with the “these bloggers”. So far it’s just Todd Beeton.

  • mj

    What about Texas? Some of those states split their delegates. Hillary needs an operation in Texas.

  • Emjay

    Woopsie

    Went up to catch up and saw Admin ON THE CASE.

    Sorry for butting in Admin; it just takes me a bit to thoughtfully compose stuff, especially when I’m not feeling composed.

    Thanks for the help.

  • AmericanGal

    Admin, thanks for the clarity and wisdom….I am still learning 🙂

  • pulchritude

    mj Says:
    January 13th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
    Please stop with the “these bloggers”. So far it’s just Todd Beeton.

    If you bother to read that diary and others posted at MyDD and DailyKos, you will notice that many bloggers are repeating this myth. And yes, you are welcome for your kind comments and support.

  • HillaryforTexas

    mj, Texas will have her back, never fear. 🙂 We are under the radar now, but will kick into high gear when/if needed.

  • mj

    pulchritude, commentors are not bloggers. If it’s just Todd Beeton, ignore him. He’s a fine person, but he is no more knowledgeable than any of use as to the inner workings of the Clinton campaign.

  • mj

    What I mean is when I hear bloggers, I think big names like Kos, Jame Hamsher, etc.. Not just people agreeing with Todd Beeton.

  • pulchritude

    mj,

    i object to the tone of your comment, and i expect an apology.

    regarding hillary’s campaign in SC, there are two commercials airing in the charlotte media market, which encompasses northern sc and the charlotte metropolitan area.

  • mj

    Well, I am certainly sorry I hurt you feelings. It is confusing when someone says “all these bloggers”. Please everyone just be specific. Because when I read all these bloggers, I am thinking the headline “Hillary will cede SC to Obama” is up on the FP’s of lots of blogs.

  • Emjay

    Just so you know…As far as I can tell from my contacts, there is NO thought of ceding SC. The state campaign staff is doing fantastic; didn’t someone on this site talk about the “Women for Hillary” signs at a rally this morning or yesterday afternoon?

    Also HillStars are headed there, and that’s a fact. One who was helping here told me he is going as part of a team; and there are people from AR, VA, MN and a few other places that are headed in to help. Folks from cold states are particularly energized (heheheh).

    I am seriously not worried about SC. Until Feb 5th, let’s just take it one state at a time.

  • Southern Born

    Hillary was attacked in NH and at debate

    Hillary surpisingly won

    Way to win???

    Poor Obama attacked in SC

    Obama wins big

    ?????????????????????????

    If that’s how Hillary won

    I can too

    Obama

  • pulchritude

    This is why I am so vociferous in my objection to Todd Beeton’s claim that the Hillary campaign has conceded SC to Obama: he has no knowledge of the dynamics of SC, and he is not here to witness the operations of all the campaigns. Would I see two different Clinton commercials on my television if she conceded the state? Would I have had the opportunity to volunteer if she conceded SC?

  • skmf12

    okay in the interest of fairness admin,
    can you also kick off some of these people who habitually post long ass articles and commentaries that really should go on their own site somewhere…

    really some people habitually post long ass boring crap everyday…
    IF YOU ARE IN THE KICKING OFF MOOD TONIGHT, COULD YOU DO THAT TOO?

    ( OH SCUSE ME AM I GOING TO GET KICK OFF FOR SAYING THAT? OH SNAP….)

    JUST SAYING…. 🙂

  • pulchritude.. its always good when expectations are low 🙂 helps us to great deal.. 🙂

  • pulchritude

    yes, gladiatorstail, I understand. did you follow truthteller’s advice?

  • OkieAtty

    united, you talkin’ ‘ta me???? 🙂

  • yeah i did.. and deleted those contradictory lines. i mean i dont think i said anything wrong, but then i wont argue otherwise. i myself am colored, although that doesnt mean i am going to support any candidate based on my color.. i still go back to bill’s interptretation of obama’s experience on charlie rose, the comparison of how a TV anchor can run as president and how a carpenter can be a doctor 🙂

  • pulchritude

    gladiator,

    todd beeton, the californian, is now an expert on SC politics. i imagine the obama campaign tucked a memorandum into todd beeton’s inbox.

  • y’all.. did you know this video existed? better bookmark it. it might be useful for a later day 🙂

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOHBSwFr6Ek&eurl=

  • skmf12

    OKIE,

    HELL NO!

    YOU KNOW I F*_ING DIG THE SHIT OUT OF YOU…

    (ACTUALLY IT WAS PART JOKE, PART TRUTH ABOUT THE NOVELS ON HERE, AND PART ABOUT THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TELLING DIFFERENT PEOPLE ON HERE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE…

    DONT HAVE AN OPINION ON ROBERT…

    JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT REAL..

    BUT OKIE, YOU DO ROCK1

  • pulchritude.. hehe.. ROFLMAO reading your comments. well, they just want to shove hillary is at fault narrative. i am glad hillary is fighting hard. really hard. caz if the indictment sticks, it will hurt them in long run. they have to act against it forcefully even though it might mean they lose one state. and I am glad they are doing just that.

  • skmf.. i think he has been banned. we all can relax and be at peace :).. atleast for now..lol

  • pulchritude

    i recommended the video, and i also labeled it a favorite. i hope others do too. perhaps someone should post this at mydd and at dailykos.

  • skmf12

    OK TAIL…

    CAN WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? : )

  • pulchritude

    By the way, where is Hawk?

  • hehe i am trying babe 🙂 tryin real hard..lol..

  • Nobody ‘has’ to ‘win’ SC or will be ‘dead’ if they don’t.

    Iowa, worst case for us, iirc split its delegates O 16, H 15, E 14, totalling 45.

    SC has 54 delegates. Suppose they split the same way:
    O 19, H 18, E 17. Obama gets 1 more delegate than Hillary.

    Big deal.

    And not very likely. SC is iirc ballot instead of caucus, and Obama has angered some people who used to support him, and Hillary has improved her campaign in several ways since Iowa. So maybe the split will run the other way, H 19, O 18, E 17. Hillary gets one more delegate than Obama.

    Big deal.

    Nobody is going to be dead after SC (or after NV or MI). Nobody is going to run out of money (except maybe Edwards).

    If Hillary went around ‘writing off’ states and not picking up the 15 or 9 or 16 delegates she’s getting from each, she might get in trouble (and it would look cowardly). But if ‘winning’ means getting one more delegate from SC (or NV or MI) than Obama…

    … big deal.

  • HillaryLandRocks

    todd beeton is an obama supporter.

    That being said, the decision on SC rides on the outcome of NV. Currently, the situation in SC is as follows:

    Projected turnout:

    51% Black
    47% White
    2 % Other

    Obama enjoys about 70% of the Black vote. The problem is that Edwards is taking about 1/3 of the White vote.

    If we win, and Edwards tanks, there’s room to take more of the White vote and peel off more of the Black vote. If we lose, and esp if the results in NV are very close, it may be very difficult to make the race in SC more competitive. As I’ve said before, I’d have no problem w/ Clinton making nothing more than a token effort while focusing elsewhere. At the end of the day, it’s about strategic deployment of resources.

  • HillaryLandRocks

    1950democrat — oh, let’s be clear. Our winning SC ends Obama’s run.

  • OkieAtty

    United, I am glad. Would hate to open my mega-sized can of whoopass on ‘ya. LOL.

    Hated calling for that ban, but too many press types lurk here now. We don’t need to be part of Bwak’s nasty narrative.

    Before I sign off, just want to say I’m proud of our girl’s MTP appearance. She is a fighter. More and more voters will see that and that she will fight for all of us and a better America. Those who blindly believe the hype and the cynicism will just have to live with having a qualified, committed, smart, hardworking president in January 2009 when she is sworn in.

    Hillary is 44.

  • pulchritude

    HillaryLandRocks,

    Not only is SC is a proportional primary; Clinton has a chance of winning SC.

  • HillaryLandRocks

    Clinton has a chance of winning SC.

    Under certain conditions, one of them being winning NV.

  • OkieAtty

    Sorry. Forgot this roundup of Super Tuesday polls…..

    http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/super-duper-tuesday-polls.html

    G’nite.

  • pulchritude

    Yes, but she still nonetheless has a chance of winning SC.

  • pulchritude

    and by the way, where is hawk?

  • another_reader

    browbeating white liberals and the very young (who maybe don’t know better) into maybe thinking the Clintons are racists, and if you vote for her you are endorsing racism
    yes. this saddens me incredibly. i start to wonder, do my white liberal friends think that? what are they thinking? a black friend of mine is a big obama supporter and very emotionally invested in the campaign, but has never said the least thing critical about my supporting hillary. i think we do tacitly agree that one part of it is me wanting to see a woman president, and him wanting to see a black president, but that is ok, it’s a positive thing, and we have other reasons why we’re for our candidates too. it’s not because he is sexist or i am racist!

  • HillaryforTexas

    another_reader, same here. I am not going to fault anyone for feeling emotional about that connection, whether with a woman or with an African American man. Geez, we are human, and for many it brings tears to the eyes just to think of it! If that is one part of your decision, great.

  • nah.. i dont think white liberals think clintons are racists. but they wont mind accusing clintons of playing race politics with a poor black man. idiots they are.

    having said that can someone explain to me why obama polls so well in idaho?

  • pulchritude

    I believe he opened an office in Idaho.

  • Emjay

    Pulch

    I had same thought earlier. We haven’t heard from him since a few days before Christmas. And only a couple of times after his exams.

    Hawk..where are you?

    Admin?

  • ohhhh btw.. get this.. obama campaign thinks kerry should be obama’s bill clinton.. atleast thats the word.. LOL.. can you imagine another botched joke?

  • lninla

    perhaps there’s a little wishful thinking in me, but I feel like Iowa and Obama’s win might’ve been an aberration – the college students, the independents, the 2nd choices, that shady deal with Richardson – and that NV might just burst the bubble of all the hype. Is he drawing huge crowds in NV? I’m not reading about it – because otherwise, seems a lot of those in the West (in CA not a lot of talk about the race), don’t seem too attuned to the race, or know much about Obama and ultimately, if that’s the case, Clinton’s name recognition will still be a big factor.

    Tim Russert and his roundtable today said that Obama is the choice of the wine drinkers and the elite, and it’s not wonder that the pundits are supporting him – they’re the wine drinking, starbucks elitists.

  • TheRealist

    On Tuesday Jan. 15, MSNBC will host a debate among Democratic presidential candidates live from Las Vegas.

    According to today’s announcement from MSNBC, the debate will focus on “issues important to minority voters” and will be sponsored a number of groups, including the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, 100 Black Men of America, and the Democratic African-American Leadership Council.

    Brian Williams and Tim Russert will moderate.”

    http://www.observer.com/2008/msnbc-host-dem-debate-jan-15-vegas

    Williams and Russert moderate on, “issues important to minority voters”.
    Does anyone else find this funny, in a sad, unintentional irony sort of way.

  • TheRealist, ironic, “yes”, especially since they are such experts on the topic.

  • TheRealist

    Indeed B Merryfield; You’d think that they could scare up a member of an actual MINORITY group, any minority group, instead of having two middle-aged white guys (though Russert is more orange than white) addressing the concerns of minority voters.

  • HillaryLandRocks

    The AP is racist. Racist, I tell you! Look at the title of their article:

    Obama Movement Taps Into ‘Can-Do’ Spirit

    Taps? Obama is tap-dancing? They’re using code. Obama needs to issue a memo, stat.

    ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i-6Yh-Pfw9E5q3tWdaZs8RNuSYtgD8U55R6O0

  • If THIS is what Obamamania is all about, we’re in trouble.

    news.lavenderliberal.com/2008/01/13/an-obama-supporter-illustrates-why-obama-supporters-scare-us-a-lot-really/

  • HillaryLandRocks

    Article from LV Sun:

    This election, at least for the moment, is not as much about “bringing jobs to the jobless, hope to the hopeless” or engaging people who “are hungry for a new kind of politics” as it is about Obama putting aside or at least putting in perspective his gauzy idealism and focusing on only one change that matters in the short run: demonizing Hillary Clinton as an impediment to change, as a relic of the past.

    More at:

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/13/jon-ralston-finds-obama-retargeting-change-mantra-/

  • lninla

    have to say – having a woman and a black man be the contenders for the Democrats – does make it glaringly obviously that there is such underrepresentation on the news shows…and also makes it more obvious that white men are often the lead correspondents. It’s funny to see Russert and others discuss women’s issues or issues important to the African American community – as if they really know.

    The minority voter groups sponsoring the debate – I really hope Russert and Williams (yeah, right) will handle this well – and not let it become a cluster-F of more of this racism baiting. Why couldn’t ABC and Gibson be doing this one too.

  • lninla

    good article HillarylandRocks – it is true and starting to make more sense to me why Obamaniacs seem more intent on defeating Clinton than defeating Bush and his legacy and his Republican successor. They are their leader are oh so warped.

  • pulchritude

    Todd Beeton of MyDD finally issued a retraction.

  • wbboei

    THERE IS NO THERE THERE-

    Rod Serling was a genius. He had the unique ability to illuminate dark areas of the human condition, question what we take for granted, and reaffirm our common humanity like no other creative artist of his time. If he were living today, and witnessed the dynamics of the Democratic primary then he would tell a story about it. I can picture him in a black and white setting, a dark tailored suit, a freshly lit cigarette, and an intense charcoal voice saying something like this . . . . .

    Our story begins on the island of Manhattan. The time is now. We find ourselves at 30 Rockefeller Plaza, the plush home of NBC, the shining beacon of American journalism. Once upon a time journalism was about the patriot with a printing press in his basement, and his right to publish the truth. Today, it is about big business, ratings, and partisanship hiding behind the First Amendment. Truth is the casualty everywhere but here . . . in the Twilight Zone . . .

    As we enter this cathedral of business, we brush past a legion of security guards and locked doors. We race down the corridors and into the “Meet The Press” Studio. The room is empty except for middle aged man in a Buffalo Bills tee shirt, protruding gut and odd shaped head. He is standing in front of a mirror practicing his loud bullying tactics. Suddenly, he turns around and there in the flesh is Tim Russert. Pasty face, disheveled hair, watery eyes, red nose—a living portrait of death warmed over.

    He thinks I am the make-up man. So Tim how are they hanging? Okay, none of my business. Can I have an autograph? Okay, sorry I asked. Yes, I realize you are busy preparing to swift boat someone, but. . . . Suddenly, a side door swings open and in walks Obama Chief Strategist David Axelrod with a stack of talking points. I play dumb and ask Tim if the writer’s strike has settled. He knows I have seen too much. He looks like that wild boar on a Gilbey’s gin bottle all primed to charge. I figure this is as good a time as any to bid him a fond adieu.

    I leave the room in haste and walk briskly down the corridor in search of the nearest exit. Somehow, I manage to wander straight into the Hardball Studio, with the show in session. Not at all what I intended. There is Matthews in all his glory holding forth to his entourage. He is on his nightly sexist rant against the only female candidate in the race. His amen corner chime in, while Matthews chants: “I am not obsessed, I am not obsessed, I am not obsessed.”

    Then something strange happens which no one expected and everyone is still trying to figure out. No it has nothing to do with New Hampshire. As Matthews is busy dumping verbal sewage, he lets loose with one of his Haaaaawwwww!!!!!! expletives. Only this time his microphone is turned up to full volume. Now Ella Fitzgerald could break a glass with her vocal instrument, but this is a blood- curdling Celtic scream. At first, it merely shorts out the electrical system, causing the studio to go black. But then, the building itself begins to turn, slowly at first then faster and faster. Chris, Tim, and Axelrod hang on to their chairs for dear life. This is damned near as bad as losing control of an attack interview.

    Suddenly, our merry band of henchmen are transported back, back, back in time from the Manhattan of Richard Rogers, Cole Porter, and Dorothy Parker to the remote world of Willa Cather and one of those forgotten prairie towns of mid-nineteenth century America. This is a world of hard work, red dust, and burning winds where things are green and billowy beneath a brilliant summer sky. Far as the eye can see, there is no Peter Lugar’s, no Smith and Wollensky’s, no Toots Shors (sorry Tim) to be found. No Bellevue Hospital Prozac Dispensary (sorry Chris). And worst of all no Broadway. In this world, the only excitement a boy can look forward to is the Barnum and Bailey Circus which comes to town once a year. Fortune has smiled on us because today just happens to be that magic day.

    My son has been begging me for weeks to take him to the circus when it comes to town. How can I refuse? Besides, I have had my own eye on the female trapeze artist from last year—in a Platonic sort of way of course. And now at last, the circus is here, the evening is beautiful, the fire flies are alight, the chores are done and we head to town with great expectations.

    As the boy and I enter the village green we pass the circus tent and approach the ticket master, David Axelrod. How much? Ten cents for you, five cents for the boy and if you cannot afford it Rezcko can help. We have cotton candy, corn dogs, games, circus acts and you will both have the honor of meeting The Great I Am– a life changing experience. His stage mother Oprah is with him as well. She will take you to Harrods if you get to London. Alas, the trapeze artist has gone on to better things.

    I pay the money and we proceed to The Great I Am Stand. There he is. He spots my boy and goes to work on him immediately. He bids my son to come forward in what his disciples call a rich baritone voice. “Young man you and I together can change the world, end hunger, heal racial divisions, achieve world- wide disarmament, solve global warming, rebuild our economy, save jobs, develop alternative energy, create a world class educational system, stamp out obesity, feel good about ourselves, love our Islamic Brothers, slaughter bin Laden, have a wonderful sex life, drive money lenders from the temple, ban lobbyists, make fast friends with Republicans, spend summer in Cannes, winter in the Alps and go to Jupiter in the spring when the planet rings are most beautiful . . . uh, uh, uh”.

    Well, my boy has a pretty good hypocrisy detector. He steps right up to the Great I Am and asks him a direct question: how? The Great I Am responds “Young man that is a great question, cause you and I can change the world, end hunger, heal racial division . . . all you gotta do is believe”. My boy has no intention of taking that crap for an answer, so he asks a good follow up question: can you show me where you have done anything like this before? I am sure you are sincere, but sincerity is a much overrated virtue. “Young man we are a movement —give me some men who are stout hearted men who will fight for the right they adore, start me with ten who are stout hearted men and I’ll soon give you ten thousand more—get it?” Not really. “ Well look . . . John Kerry just endorsed me and so did. . . “ What did you promise them in return? “Oprah, Michelle . . . I need help”.

    To the youth of this country-
    Look into the pewter pot
    And see the world as the world is not
    And faith tis present til tis past
    The mischief is that twil not last—(A.E. Houseman 1896)

  • Sorry, pulchritude, that’s not a retraction. In fact, I think that it manages to sound even worse.

    “Just to clarify, I’m not saying that Hillary Clinton is conceding South Carolina to Barack Obama. Clearly she’s competing, as is evident by the fact that she was there today and will no doubt spend quite a bit of time there in advance of the primary. But if the campaign is feeling vulnerable, as though it may lose the state to Barack, they’d want to start minimizing his win to mitigate the loss. And Johnson’s comment seemed to me to betray a certain level of insecurity with Clinton’s standing there.”

    http://www.mydd.com

  • pulchritude

    He admitted his prognostication was predicated on his interpretation of one man’s utterance.

  • carbynew

    Just like I thought Obama is too stubborn to change tactics…He is going to go down this road of race baiting, knowing that a majority of the media is pushing his narrative.

    The problem for the Obama camp is that Hillary and Bill didn’t play the way they thought they would and since the Democratic Party leaders are so weak…they’re letting Obama give away the election.

    The reason they’re so mad at Bob Johnson is that it will keep Clyburn neutral in SC. Bob Johnson is a major campaigned contributor for black democrats and the media can rewrite what he said but videos don’t lie and that Hillary is still fighting is pissing them off.

    Obama uniter crap is just that, with his wife and other surrogates trashing the Clinton and their followers.

  • BHO’s speechwriter who wrote his Iowa victory speech is 26 … and worked as an intern on the Kerry campaign!

    Looks like my theory about this being Kerry’s revenge was right on target, admin.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/84756/output/print

  • Emjay

    Ininla

    I will say again, as 3 or 4 times before, BO’s support in IA was, and still is, five miles wide and less than an inch deep.

    Google “Des Moines Register caucus results”.

    Obama took a 2-3 county-wide eastern (Illinois side of the state), plus college counties.

    Edwards took what is called the southern tier.

    Hillary won the western (very Repub) and north tier, except for college counties.

    Delegates:

    BO 16
    HRC 15
    JE 14

    Conclusion: Our girl took the fewest, but strongest counties. In my county she was at 34%, but my precinct was 39% for hill and we held obama to 0%.

    The county that HillLandRocks worked won for Hill 42% and held BO to 26%.

    It’s a wispy win that BO took out of Iowa, and he knows that we know it.

    Celebrate his discomfort. Here, we’ve known since Jan 4th, he’s faking the power and joy.

  • Yeah.. BM.. now it all makes sense. Kerry is back. we have to get used to seeing him more often starting tomorrow. he will be bill clinton for obama camp, and hopefully wont deviate from the script IMO.

    Also, I think we should make a concerted effort to inform media about blatant sexism going on. I think Bill Maher is the right guy. He is cynical as heck, and likes JE. But then I think if we make a reasonable argument, I think he will address the issue. he now has a blog somewhere. I will post the link when I find it.

  • Emjay,

    I know I wanted to have this discussion with you, and let me frame the question this way. what do you think the ideal student count would be, that would have made a difference in Iowa caucus results. I repeat the question. How many students/illinoisers would Obama have to bus in your opinion to make a difference in Iowa caucus. Also, another thing was second choice, and biden, dodd and richardson hurt her, since they were eating her cake, but that is not the point. so could you give us an approximate number? then we can easily tally how he would/could have won this thing.

  • Emjay

    WBB

    Nice to read you again.

  • What next?

    clintonattacksobama.pbwiki.com/

  • BM.. too many directions.. but I will make it a point to post some lame ass attacks of obama’s every now and then 🙂 just to piss them off. thx for the link. bookmarked it.

  • Emjay, to build on Glad’s question, what has been bothering me is this — if caucuses, as I understand it, are LOCAL, if there was an abnormal influx of non-LOCAL people in attendance, wouldn’t someone have noticed? If there was an abnormal number of people registering to vote at a caucus on the spot, wouldn’t somone have noticed?

  • The wiki looks like a good place to track the trackers, too. 8)

  • BM.. that would have been circumvented by Obama making students/illinoisers preregister before the days leading to caucus. We know that he was providing them bus tours.

  • This is interesting. What do you make of it? Substance or nonsense?

    dear-barack.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-drones-plant-questions-for.html

  • Glad, however, wouldn’t Iowa have stats on the number of new registrations prior to the caucus just like we would have here in NH prior to the primary?

  • BM interesting. What they are doing is not illegal. Its just like how we posted the linkk here to ask questions in the debate.

    Having said that, this is why I feel bad and guilty talking about Obama supporters. They are young kids. I mean very young kids. not the typical pols. not typical campaign workers. They are young high school/college kids. look at the so called marie planting questions.

    IF someone does not have a question yet and woudl like to ask these ones on my behalf.

    1/ Sen. OBAMA you talk about change all the time, could he please elaborate precisely what you mean with change with respect to your presidenty? What would you do differently and what would change?

    2/ Sen. Clinton, do you believe that Sen. Obama is not qualified to be the president of the USA and that he would bring our country backward?

    I mean these kids dont even know that Hillary will trash the second question by saying thats for the voters to decide. and first will be lofty Obama rhetoric instead of substance, which is what he desperately needs to show now. Thats why it is furstrating arguing with them on blogs too. they are like a monolithic cult, which I am afraid, if Hillary doesnt engage Obama somehow if she is the nominee, will go astray and vote against her. I am still reading the other half of the blog but this is what came to my mind upfront.

  • yeah probably we need to look into them. I will try and look over the week sometime.

  • Found this MSNBC link embedded on a BHO forum: “Your chance to ask the candidates a question”.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22574335

  • Glad, my point would be that if there were numbers outside any reasonable expectations … besides, wouldn’t veteran caucus goers have noticed anything out of place?

  • pulchritude

    Someone should submit a question about each candidate’s record on a woman’s right to choose.

  • Emjay

    Glad and BMerry

    First let me put on my professorial/analyst hat and warn you in advance…I don’t have the hard numbers you want Glad. and for you BMerry, better news, but not perfect.

    For both of you: yesterday there was a link (I will try to find it again) on this board somewhere that took me to a first person interview w/ a precinct worker in Des Moines..she was very frank about questionable caucusers, and also the breakdown at the precinct site…overwhelmed by the shear numbers, by rude and pushy and out of control BO supporters etc., she was not sure the numbers counted were solid.

    The way she talked, it sounded like a high school pep rally gone bad, with regular caucus goers infuriated and confused. Don’t forget, we have seen this animal-farm behavior all year…the steak fry, the JJ Dinner, the phone-in radio calls, stolen yard signs, bussed in young men from Chicago (told you all about that on this board earlier, with no reaction…and I mean none.)

    Now, how much real difference? Read my 5-mile wide, 1 in deep post again. 38% of the caucus goers chose BO. What did it get him? One more delegate than Hillary. Big F—— Deal.

    (I know a little sign language;would love to turn on my little camera for ya to see that last comment in sign, but my hair is scaggy.)

    That link will mostly answer the “don’t we know our neighbors” question. And the numbers of non-residents would have to be HUGE to move the delegate award whole persons. And it would have to be in 2/3 or more of the counties. We’ve been doing this caucus thing for 100 years or more…since we are solid people producing solid results that can’t be hijacked easily…can you see why we love the process, for us?

    Maybe you can accept a bit more why I defend the process. We know it’s an honest outcome that can’t be faked.

  • DemAC

    I have no question on Rezko, but rather a theory. One thing about part II. “Obama/REZKO land dealings benefiting Obama” has got me thinking. The real estate was split into two lots. One lot with the house and one lot with the yard. Subsequently both lots were sold by the doctor, the lot with the house to Obama for $300,000 less then the asking price. The lot without a house and where no one can live was however sold by the doctor to Rita Rezko for the asking price.

    This doesn’t make any sense. If the asking price for the lot with the fine house was too high then certainly the asking price for the lot with an adjacent yard, which cannot be used to anything but being in fact a yard, should have been too high too.

    Here’s what I think happened, my “theory of the case”: the lot with the house was in fact sold for the asking price. Not less.

    I don’t think there was a $300,000 discount. I think instead that $300,000 is missing.

    I think that Rezko somehow gave the doctor $300,000 under the table. This of course equals giving Obama $300,000 under the table. Anyway, if this is what happened, whether this money took the roundabout way over Obama is only a formality. Obama received such value in any case, be it cash or real estate.

    The doctor was there. The doctor took pains to cut his real estate in twain. The whole deal couldn’t have been made without the doctor. Thus the doctor will know exactly what happened.

    If I were a reporter I’d want to talk to the doctor.

  • Merry – Over on a comment string at Taylors in the last few days, some Iowa person posted a very long list of things that were wrong in her caucus. Apparently it was pretty large and no one was able to ‘control’ who came in and out. Some Rep friends wandered in a side door and were invited to caucus. Many strangers were there. I think she talked about intimidation from Obama supporters at the second round. Anyway might be worth you searching over there.

  • texan4hillary

    new piece on hillary and mi primary. she is strong there-and readthat last quote. this woman says she si voting for romney-but wouldnt mind obama. hah! http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-13-ClintonMich_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

  • BHO is a permanent member of the Kerry bandwagon.

    jeffberkowitz.blogspot.com/2007/01/obama-kerry-has-fought-for-his-country.html

  • these are the questions I have posed for the upcoming debate.

    Senator Clinton,

    I have heard several in speeches that your first and foremost priority when you become president will be ending war in Iraq. Can you infront of american public, today make a pledge that you will keep this promise and will not waiver from it if you are elected president?

    Senator Obama,

    On August 27, 2007, Washington post had an article, about you saying in regard to appointment of Justice John Roberts, “if he (Obama) were president he wouldn’t want his (Obama) judicial nominees opposed simply on ideological grounds” and later voted against him for political reasons as advised by Pete Rouse. Can you confirm/deny the article.

    Also, can you comment on the prospect or possibility of appointing judges who are ideologically different from you, if you are confronted with a republican majority in both houses of legislature in future.

  • Emjay

    1950Dem

    I thank you too…that’s the piece I was talking about to Glad & BMerry

  • Emjay and 1950Dem, thanks. I recall reading that over at TM about Iowa. Sad, but that’s what can happen. I have no idea on whether there was a big tilt in population in the college campus towns. At UNH there was an effort to help get students registered to vote and Hillary ground crew were involved, I think. As for those who might have shown up in any towns to register and vote, I don’t think that that would have benefited one candidate over another. There was an enormous interest in people who had never voted before in registering at the polls. You may recall that we had people walk into Hillary’s office asking where they should go to vote, etc.

    Java.

  • carbynew

    At this point I don’t trust the media…they’re so bias against Hillary most of the stories are insane.

    It’s this constant refrain of sexism and slamming Hillary…drip, drip, drip and hoping it stick. I guess MSNBC and NBC is going down the tube with their Hillary bias….

    I can’t wait to see how MSNBC is setting up the trainwreak of their fair and balance debate…in which the focus will be race…with Obama media surrogates asking the hard questions to Hillary and letting Obama/Edward tag team her.

  • DemAC

    On my “theory” above. Think about it. If it was a discount then Obama successfully negotiated a discount where Rezko did not. Thus Rezko, the real estate businessman, was a worse negotiator in real estate deals than Obama. This doesn’t make any sense.

    If you cut your high end real estate in two parts, one with a mansion and one with a yard. On the face of it, which lot is the most likely to be discounted at purchase? Obviously the yard lot, since it cannot be used to anything but being a yard. Yet it was the other way around. This doesn’t make any sense.

    Obama’s explanation though is that he thought Rezko would want to develop the yard lot. Yeah? Obama bought a multi million dollar mansion expecting that a few feet away from his front door Tony Rezko would “develop” one of his buildings? Again, this doesn’t make any sense.

    I do wonder what that doctor could tell us.

  • HillaryLandRocks

    emjay: And it would have to be in 2/3 or more of the counties.

    I don’t agree. IA has 99 counties, arranged roughly in a checkerboard grid. Delegates are proportional to population. Polk (Des Moines) elected 430 delegates in 2004. Two counties to the west of Polk you have Guthrie, approximately the same size. Guthrie awarded … 12.

    Here is a scaled map on the relative weight of the counties to overall delegate counts:

    http://www.style.org/iowacaucus/images/13pt_iowa_scaled.gif

    You could concentrate on 5 of 99 counties and really game the system.

  • demac.. obama is no doctor.. i am a doctor so I would know :).. however he is extremely smart man though.

    I think rezko story has lots of legs, but fortunately, we wont have to deal with it if Hill is the nominee. its for some other day.

    I am troubled by his bi-partisan rhetoric in light of that August 27 article, where he wanted to vote for Justice Roberts. Its definitely troubling when someone says, we shouldnt oppose a justice on ideological grounds. Does he have any real ideology?

  • HillaryLandRocks

    Also, for those of you who have been asking about hawk. His county took the worst of it (O 52.3, JE 24, H 20.5) Losses like this are hard when you’ve put in so much time. I’ll admit it’s easier for me b/c we won our area. So, I expect him to take a nice long break to regroup.

  • HLR, interesting, and I am assuming if he can game 5 of the big city counties or university town counties, then he ends up gaming the entire system. That having said, he has substantial lead too, like 6% in a three person race, however, I would be keen to know how many precincts in the big counties were Edwards/Kucinich/Richardson viable. Because ideally, these were the people who would have flocked to Obama. Can y’all suggest where I can get this data? like any official site?

  • DemAC

    gladiatorstail,
    That Obama is a very smart man is patently obvious. There can be no serious dispute over that.

    But I can smell this… the odor is equally obvious. I’ve been reading up for a couple of days now and my gut feeling is that the whole story would right now benefit from a slight change of focus; from Obama to the doctor who sold the property.

    Like Rezko and Obama, the doctor knows what happened. He was there. And my gut feeling tells me he didn’t walk away from it all empty handed.

  • HillaryLandRocks

    You can go here

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=caucus

    When you click on the county-by-county results, you can get the individual precincts.

    For example, Polk County Des Moines 1

    Clinton 4
    Edwards 3
    Obama 3

    no other candidate viable.

    Des Moines 3 awarded Richardson 1 delegate.

    and so on.

  • mmmm interesting… i thought you were refering to Obama as doctor.

    Cool. Now the thing is how to get hold of the doctor. Thats Hillary campaign people’s job, not ours. We dont have resources nor the power.

    What does the doctor know? What is his part? What was the precise transaction? This looks more shady than it appears on the top. However, the thing is, Obama has admitted that it is a bone headed mistake. But this is worse than whitewater of the 90’s.

    Oh btw, did you see how conviniently Obama slipped in whitewater into conversation when he talked about his ethics reform bill yesterday? SLIME SLIME SLIME!!!

  • DemAC

    gladiatorstail,
    No the doctor is the seller of the house + the yard.

    Yes, I hope the campaign does. I of course don’t have a shred of evidence but my instincts tell me the whole thing stinks.

    Said ABC:
    Obama denies there was anything unusual about the price disparity. He says the price on the house was dropped because it had been on the market for some time but that the price for the adjacent land remained high because there was another offer.

    Note that this is absurd! The doctor split the lot because Rezko/Obama asked him to. It wasn’t offered up as two lots at first.

    Said ABC:
    Obama then expanded his property by buying a strip of the Rezko land for $104,500 which the senator maintains was a fair market price.

    So a bone headed mistake doesn’t stop Obama from making one more. This is actually very interesting because it shows that Obama counted on Rezko holding Obama’s yard for him. Only when Rezko was in serious trouble did Obama buy as much yard as he could afford from Rezko.

    And as far as the price $104,500 for that strip of the yard, only God knows how much or how little money actually changed hands from Obama’s to Rezko’s.

  • DemAC.. you have direction of money wrong. money went from rezko to obama IMO..

  • DemAC

    No no, the $104,500 is sale no 2.

    Here’s the timeline:

    1. Doctor sells two lots. Lot one with house to Obama. Lot two with yard to Rita Rezko. (2005)

    2. Rezko is in trouble with FBI.

    3. Rezko sells part of yard to Obama for $104,500. At this second sale money goes from Obama to Rezko. (2006)

    At various points in time the original lot has been divided into three (3) parts!!! Again, this doesn’t make any sense.

    The whole thing stinks.

  • Emjay

    I can’t find the Iowa caucus thing at TM..I’ll look again tomorrow. Too tired now.

    Sorry

  • Tim Russert and his roundtable today said that Obama is the choice of the wine drinkers and the elite

    Sounds like the most sensible thing they’ve said yet.

    That fits with the demographics of the NH returns. It was the city and iirc rural areas that went for Hillary, traditional lunch box blue collar Democrat base, according to http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/ iirc.

    It wasn’t because the machine count that favored Hillary, but because the big bluecollar precincts that favored her, were the precincts big enough to use counting machines.

  • wowww.. so rezko still owns lot???? doesnt make sense?? my head is spinning.. i think i will need to go to bed :).. gotta work at 7:00 AM tomorrow.. hehe.. have 80 people team training too tomorrow.. so work is gonna be crazy.. g’nite demac..

  • DemAC

    For all practical purposes the yard, worth $625,000 was intended as a gift from Rezko to Obama. It also functioned as a gift for many months.

    (Also very possibly a missing $300,000 are for all practical purposes a gift from Rezko to Obama as well. See my “theory” above.)

    Then the FBI meddled and ruined the whole beautiful arrangement around the yard.

    So a panicking Obama realized that “his” entire yard might be drawn into the bankruptcy and foreclosure of Rezko’s crashing empire.

    Obama bought as much of the yard from Rezko as he could possibly afford, to save it from foreclosure etc. The official price tag is $104,500. But, as I said, only God knows how much Obama really paid Rezko at this point.

  • DemAC

    Good night gladiatorstail!

    Yes my head is spinning too… but I’m getting the hack of it. And it ain’t pretty I tell you…

  • Good morning Hillfans, again. My question about the Rezko-Obama “yard” sale is this — when the original offering was made, it included house and land but was subdivided into house w/land and separate “yard”. Was the “yard” a buildable lot? That is what makes the difference as to its value. If it was NOT a buildable lot, then of what value would it be to Rezko? If he subdivided it once again and only sold a strip of it to Obama, was the remainder a buildable lot? If so, it would only be of value to Rezko. If NOT a buildable lot, it would be of value to nobody.

  • Do we have the physical address? We can Google the property via satellite and see what it shows.

  • Old news, I’m sure, but 1/1/08 BHO said that voting threat won’t be tolerated yet after joining the Senate would not vote to challenge Bush’s Ohio “victory”.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/721461,CST-NWS-iowa01.article

    Since BHO’s supporters have put up a pbwiki (easy to do, I have one — and it’s free), why not a pbwiki delineating BHO’s flip flops/double standards?

    Just asking.

  • I just posted at Taylor’s
    http://www.taylormarsh.com/comments.php?postID=26820

    I mean we are sitting here with a black man and a white female on the verge of winning the Dem. nomination and they are tearing each other down at an alarming rate.

    Hm, when you put it that way…. Obama’s main qualification has been that he raises a lot of money. He was planning to do some other stages, like governor, before he ran for president. Then in 2004 and 2006 he did some fundraising for other democrats and earned so much and got so much applause that he decided to go ahead and run now, because he might never have so much attention again!
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-obama_senate_recordjun12,0,2846138.story?page=4&coll=chi_technology_util

    So what if some smart GOPers started cultivating this new puppet in 2006 (or earlier), setting him up as an opponent to damage whateve r more viable candidate the Dems might have. Setting up a black and female to fight would be great for their point of view, discrediting both minorities at once.

    Remember these are the people who cultivated Paula Jones….

  • DemAC

    Good morning!
    Technically the yard was probably “buildable” in the meaning that it was large enough to build something on and that you could erect a building there without taking a greater risk that the building would collapse there as compared to erecting that building anywhere else.

    I think however that the issue is best approached in context. The Obamas had Rezko involved and has the doctor cut the real estate in two parts – for what? So that some development could be erected a few feet from the Obamas’ front door??? I think not.

    In context it’s pretty obvious that the yard was Rezko’s gift to Obama.

    Hence Obama’s panic buy out of the strip when the arrangement went south.

  • AmericanGal

    Goodmorning B Merryfield! Just checking in–I think this must be one of the longest threads we’ve had on this board. Over 600 posts! Wow…

  • DemAC, you answered the question. There would be no value in Rezko’s purchase of the yard if it was not a buildable lot. It’s only value for Rezko to purchase it is it was intended to be an investment property that could be reasonably expected as buildable in the future. If it did not fit that criteria, then Rezko’s purchase of it was clearly intended in some way to benefit Obama.

  • AmericanGal

    BMerryfield, you have a Rezko lot question. I read last night, and I will have to try and find the page, a report by someone who has seen the actual house and lot and he described the property as having a thin strip of land next to it, not an expansive lot.

  • Good morning, AG. The reason I was looking to see whether anyone was here is two-fold. I held my breath and watched Morning Joke to see how strongly Joe and Mika were going to launch into the race-baiting issue. They didn’t, oddly, and sat there reading headlines that were so meaningless that you could see what a charade their performance was. Nothing came up until Pat Buchanan came on at 6:33 am and pretty much defended Hillary. Joe and Mika agreed that there was no there “there” and that should Hillary win the presidency she was going to have her hands full to undo the damage.

  • AmericanGal

    Interesting, perhaps the media has figured out that it’s being played by the Obama camp?

    I don’t know if I will have time this morning to find the link on Rezko, I think it was a link from someone in the comments of Taylor Marsh. The person who saw the property was making the case that it looked like Rezko had basically given a loan to Obama. He also thought the property wouldn’t be developed and speculated on how the secret service would protect the area if Obama is president. It caught my eye as it was a description of the property.

  • Ok, that we would be good find.

    While looking for an address online, I came across a May 2004 article in The New Yorker on BHO. There are some interesting facts here.

    1. “Fired with political idealism, he decided to become a community organizer. He wrote to organizations all over the United States, and finally got one reply, from Chicago. He moved there, going to work for a tiny, church-based group that was trying to help residents of poor South Side neighborhoods cope with a wave of plant closings.”

    2. After Harvard: “What he wanted was to practice civil-rights law in Chicago, and he did, representing victims of housing and employment discrimination and working on voting-rights legislation for a small public-interest firm. He also began teaching at the University of Chicago Law School, although he declined to pursue a tenure-track post, hoping to save time for politics. And when he got the chance to run for the state senate in his district, which included both Hyde Park—the home of the university—and some of the poorest ghettos on the South Side, he jumped at it.”

    Proving that BHO had intimate knowledge of living conditions in his district. It would be key to locate former tenants who would have/should have contacted his Ill. Sen. office for help.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/721461,CST-NWS-iowa01.article

  • AmericanGal

    BMerry, here is something on the Rezko land. It is from Sept/Nov. 06 but I don’t have time to look up the original column.

    John Kass of The Chicago Tribune reports on the scandal brewing on Barack Obama’s house:

    The fact is the Obamas and the Rezkos bought property in a fashionable South Side neighborhood next to each other on the same day, from the same lot, and the Obamas came out the winners.

    Obama bought his home at a $300,000 discount. Rezko bought the adjoining lot from the same sellers at full price. One got a juicy bargain. The other overpaid. Legend has it that Rezko never paid full price for anything in his life, so he starts with Obama?

    “I don’t recall exactly what our conversations were or where I first learned, and I am not clear what the circumstances were where [Rezko] made a decision that he was interested in the property,” Obama told the Tribune.

    “I may have mentioned to him the name of [a developer and] he may at that point have contacted that person. I’m not clear about that.”

    I’m not clear about that either.

    Later, it occurs to the senator that he’d like a slice of Rezko’s acreage to enlarge his estate. Obama’s appraiser told him the fair market value of that slice was $40,500.

    Since that’s one-sixth of the Rezko side, it means Rezko paid $625,000 for property that was actually worth $243,000. That would make Rezko a complete fool. But he’s no fool.

    Obama then offers to pay more than $100,000 for a slice of land that wasn’t worth that much, because he wanted to be fair to Rezko.

  • alcina

    bmerry

    thanks for having the stomach to watch morning joe. i could not. interesting that the subject was completely ignored…what’s going on?

    ironically, pat buchanon has become hillary’s chief defender over the past week. especially in regards to the womens vote and the race baiting crap.

    thanks again. ( now i’ve gotta face a lovely commute in this storm )

  • AmericanGal

    I will still look for the one that describes the property. I’m not going to have time to get at it this morning before work..

  • careful traveling, alcina .. snowing here, too.

  • No problem, AG. I’m going to keep digging. When it smells like a rat…

  • I think MSNBC got the word that Media Matters for America has stirred up a campaign against Tweetie and they’ve been put on their best behavior.

  • Same New Yorker article:

    “The left in Illinois, as it happens, is monitoring Obama for similar trimming toward the political center. When his speech at the antiwar rally in 2002 was quietly removed from his campaign Web site, activists found that to be an ominous sign. It is traditional, of course, for politicians to tack to the center after winning a primary, hoping to attract swing voters. Earlier this month, when major newspapers (including the Times) and leading Democrats (including Illinois’s other senator, Dick Durbin) began calling for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as a result of the Abu Ghraib prison-torture revelations, Obama criticized the Administration’s Iraq policy, but added, “I have no doubt about Donald Rumsfeld’s sincerity.” Deciding Rumsfeld’s fate, he said, should be left to President Bush. “

  • AmericanGal

    Heres a link that has Rezko stuff…I don’t think it’s the one I am looking for though. There is a report on the Rezko property (including photo of the Obama house). Try to search for links for June on this site. I will look again this afternoon. Off to work…

    marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html#9203521597908927306

  • Okay. Here’s a clear reference from BHO’s college days in Calif. He could not be considered a teenager or adolescent.

    “Obama’s politics were tinged with nihilism during his undergraduate years at Occidental College outside Los Angeles. There he played it cool and detached, and began to confuse partying and getting high with rebellion.”

    http://www.chicagoreader.com/obama/951208/

  • terrondt

    hillfans, i just got finished watching the cspan morning calling show featuring the michigan dem chairman. omg, he was attacked left and right by voters from his state blaming HIM for not getting the opportunity to vote for their dem candidate. he told these idiots time and time again it was not the state party, it was the CANDIDATES who took themselves off the ballot, knowing hillary was going to bury them. im sick of these obama/edwards supporters blaming others for their own candidates putting themselves in the position of not having a vote.

  • Good morning, terrondt. In all fairness to the voters, the Obedwards camp is revving up the rhetoric by telling people to vote “uncommitted”. It was BHO who made a mutual agreement with JRE to remove their names from the ballot. But that was long before, when BHO thought he was going to sweep the primaries and knock Hillary out.

  • dot48

    American Morning cnn is doing poll about the remarks being offensive. simple yes or no. Hillary leading now with No. Go vote.

    cnn.com/CNN/Programs/american.morning/

    put www in front of course…my links get whole post caught in filters.

  • S

    Good Morning – as far as Morning Joe…in the second half they picked up again on the race thing…stating that it is not good for the Dems, not good for Obama and not good if Hill wins since it would sully her win and make it hard for party to unite…then they had Andrea Mitchell video report rehashing the whole weekend with the clips we have seen of both camps all weekend…then Jack Welch was on…with a few backhanded comments about her appearance on MTP and how her answer to the Iraq question was inauthentic and basically a lie…however when pressed he said it would be Hill and McCain with Hill probably winning…MSNBC will not drop the race thing…

    now on C-span a whole segment devoted to ‘the presidential campaign and Hillary’ with AP writer Beth Fouhy…once again angry Obama calls hitting Hillary excusing her of stealing NH and on an on…obviously a coordinated effort by Obama people…maybe one Hillary supporter…Beth Fouhy is being fair

  • Caroline

    BO should be ashamed of himself. What is the idiot trying to do to the democratic party? I hope voters in SC and everywhere else can see through his dishonesty. Does he think we are fools trying to make this a race issue?

  • admin

    Ignoring reality, we get this idiocy from Newsweek regarding Obama and Rezko:

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/91755/page/4

    Any candidate who runs as a reformer is bound to attract close scrutiny of his own ethics. Chicago newspapers have published extensive stories about Obama’s ties to Tony Rezko, a fund-raiser and developer who is under indictment for fraud. In 2005, Obama bought a house in Chicago. On the same day, Rezko bought the plot of land next to it, and later sold Obama a slice of his plot so the senator could expand his yard. At the time it was widely reported that Rezko was under investigation by the U.S. attorney for allegedly shaking down firms that wanted to do business with state agencies. There is no evidence that Obama gave any political favors to Rezko. He voted against some of Rezko’s business interests as a state senator, and gave thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Rezko to charity. Obama has called the deal with Rezko “a boneheaded mistake.”

  • DemAC

    admin,
    See my “theory” above. Find the doctor. Follow the money.

  • Obama finding HIS voice! — in Chicago 2000 election he lost. It says at first he talked quite stiffly, like a professor. I haven’t read the whole thing, it’s a several parter. But what quotes I saw, back then he was using words that actually meant something.
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/02/12/obama_natural/

  • limabeans

    Juan Williams is a tool. One of my aa friends recently got so angry about an op-ed by Williams that he ranted over email about wanting to beat Williams’ ass. HA! It was all about lower-class v. upper-class blacks and how the latter group seemed to be morally superior to the former, in Williams’ opinion. Really irritating crap!

  • No sooner had Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign been declared “viable” by the corporate media, than the speech disappeared from Obama’s web site. …
    http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_ content&task=view&id=407&Itemid=44 – 62k – Cached – Similar pages

    “Specifically, State Senator Obama maintains that an October 2002 anti-war speech was removed from his campaign web site because ‘the speech was dated once …
    http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_ content&task=view&id=491&Itemid=1 – 91k – Cached – Similar pages

    Entering the following in Google’s search box brings many good cites from blackagenda.com. Replace ‘website speech’ with whatever you’re interested in.

    site:blackagendareport.com obama website speech

    When his speech at the antiwar rally in 2002 was quietly removed from his campaign Web site, activists found that to be an ominous sign. — New Yorker

  • http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/The_Obama_questionnaire.html

    These Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization (IVI-IPO) guys might have some leads. Some of them are no longer supporting Obama.

  • Here’s something we need to get out to Michigan. Hillary needs the votes there, even though hers is the only viable name. If the ballot isn’t returned or her name isn’t checked, she doesn’t get the delegate.

    As for voting for Romney in Michigan — that would game Hillary. I suspect this mischief Romney thing was started to take those votes away from Hillary, and to make the Dems look bad.

  • Re Obama removing his speech from his website, see also
    http://www.blackcommentator.com/47/47_cover.html

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