Bribes, Kickbacks, Extortion, OH MY!

We’ve been scouring the internets all day yesterday looking for “questions and defenses from the Obama supporters” regarding the REZKO. We will have the questions and answers on REZKO posted later today in REZKO For Dummies, Part II.

But first we want to clarify a few matters that have been occurring this past week.

Barack Obama and his campaign staff in all likelihood were contacted by ABC News before Good Morning America aired the news segment on REZKO. The Obama campaign, in other words, knew beforehand that bad news was coming. The bad news they have been trying to sneak past until after the primaries are over and it is too late for Democrats to consider Obama’s record in Chicago.

To prevent any focus on REZKO the Obama campaign has tried to regain some momentum by announcing endorsements. The endorsements for Obama are mostly from er… um…, shall we say “non-winning” former candidates for public office.

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As to New Hampshire recounts, if they occur, we can celebrate that wonderful Tuesday, January 8, 2008 once again.

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Smart, winning politicians know that politics is about addition. Dumb, losing politicians think politics is about subtraction and division. The secret to a winning campaign is to gain supporters and keep the supporters you already have. Losing campaigns try to distract from the issues and the record of candidates. Losing campaigns try to “divide and conquer”.

We saw the poltics of distraction and division when Obama engaged in his gay bashing tour of South Carolina. Here is what we wrote at the time:

From our very first article on this matter it was very clear what this was all about and what it was not about: This was NOT a battle between African-Americans and Gay Americans. This was NOT even a battle between Gay rights and homophobia. This was always about Barack Obama’s willingness to divide and conquer – to divide two key Democratic constituencies for his political benefit.

African-Americans in South Carolina are reliable Democratic voters. Although many African-Americans in South Carolina are rural and poor, many deprived of any higher education, and very very few have ever even visited Harvard University let alone had the opportunity to attend Harvard – these are still sophisticated voters who understand where their interests lie. These are good and smart people who deserve better than to have their prejudices stoked for political advantange. Obama’s gay bashing tour was designed to benefit Obama, not to bring African-Americans who are not gay friendly into the Democratic Big Tent. The African-American voters in South Carolina are already in the Democratic Tent.

Barack Obama attempted to consciously exploit, for his own personal political profit, the lower instincts of this population. It is a disgusting trick employed by white southern politicians for many decades. These white politicians, Jesse Helms in particular comes to mind, race baited in order to get elected – and for decades this ugly trick worked – it still does. Typically the white politicians incited baser instincts on race to harvest white votes. Often white voters voted against their own self interest only because ugly racial prejudice was stoked by white politicians.

Now, Obama supporters and his campaign are undercutting their own arguments and attempting to bring discord, distraction, and division into the Democratic family. Let’s not fall into the trap.

Soon the Democratic Party will unify and battle Republicans for the soul and future of the United States. Soon the Democratic Party will have a nominee to lead the charge in this fight. The Democratic nominee will know that she will need all Democrats and that politics is about addition… not subtraction… not division. The Democratic nominee will also bring in political independents and Republicans of good will.

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton will let their history, their actions (not merely words) speak for them. Our African-American compatriots are too smart and too knowledgeable to fall for distractions. They know actions speak louder than words.

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Hillary Clinton outlined on Friday an “Aggressive Plan to Jumpstart [the] U.S. Economy”. Hillary’s program establishes “a $30 Billion Emergency Housing Crisis Fund”; takes bold action “to end the housing crisis”; provides $25 billion in emergency energy assistance for familes facing skyrocketing heating bills”; accelerates $5 billion in energy efficiency and alternative energy investments to jumpstart green collar job growth”; invests “$10 billion in extending and broadening unemployment insurance for those who are struggling to find work”; and stands “ready for $40 Billion Rebate to Working Families”.

Hillary is taking care of business. Hillary is not getting distracted from the work of the American people.

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While Hillary speaks about her vision for America, we will continue to pull back the curtain on Obama’s Chicago history.

We will continue to discuss Obama’s history with his close friend and slumlord, Chicago Fixer REZKO, – what ABC News called Bribes, Kickbacks, Extortion.

Obama’s history in Chicago is not pretty – Ask Alice Palmer.

Chicago is not Kansas.

In Chicago there is no yellow brick road.

In Chicago there are Bribes, Kickbacks, Extortion, OH MY!

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  1. while obama tries to focus on race division a frmr councilwoman tells us why this is sooo stupid and harmful to obama-
    Re: Obama will see a Huge Backlash (none / 0)
    http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/1/11/181932/891/39#39

    I am a Latina & former elected councilwoman 12 years ago here in the West Coast. I am also half white.

    The Race card NEVER works ! Especially if the voters that you are trying to win over are white.

    One of the biggest mistakes any minority candidate can do when running against a caucasian is play the ” Racial Victim” card.

    It immediately bothers most White voters & just turns them off.

    Its also a big turn-off for so many Hispanic voters. I was listening to Latino talk radio today & literally 90% of the callers were outraged at the cry of racism.

    This is a very sensitive issue for Latino 1st generation immigrants who have become naturalized citizens. Most Latinos who have been in America for 5 years to 30 years & are now U.S. citizens are very sensitive to the “racial victim” mentality.

    They have always frowned upon the Black community when racial victim plays out. This is when the ugly head of Latino prejudice against Black politicians come out.

    Ever wonder why Al Sharpton is very unpopular in the Latino community?

    Latino voters ( many being first generation americans) are very conscious about fitting in to mainstream america. They hate “rocking the boat”.

    With so many Latinos & white voters coming up in Feb 5 states plus NV & FL- this whole issue will be very damaging to Obama.

    I don’t know why the Obama team & many of his supporters are adding fuel to the fire.

    It will only HURT Obama & the democratic party.

    The only benefit to this strategy my be SC. After SC, he will be damaged in all the other states.

    Of all the racist politicians out there, to accuse Bill & Hillary Clinton of racism.

    Two of my closes friends from our old college days in the late 70’s are African-Americans from Arkansas. I was speaking to them today.

    Both were outraged at this stupid accusation. They said that ” one should look at Clinton’s very long record as Governor of Arkansas with the Black community. Bill & Hillary have done more for the Black community than Obama has ever done. Period”

  2. Great posting admin!

    On the “Losers for Obama” endorsements, says WaPo:


    Obama, meanwhile, has moved to quickly capitalize on his Thursday endorsement from the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John F. Kerry. Kerry sent an e-mail Thursday night to those on his own donor list — said to be one of the larger e-mail lists in the party, with more than 3 million names — asking them to support Obama and providing a link to donate money. One bonus of that link for the Illinois senator is that anyone on Kerry’s e-mail list who clicks the link will be added to Obama’s list for future solicitations.

    But the list is only half the story. Robert Crowe, a Boston attorney who is chief executive of WolfBlock Public Strategies and a longtime fundraiser for Kerry, said he was close to joining the Obama camp. He said he expected Kerry’s endorsement to bring along a number of top Kerry donors. “We have a very good fundraising list,” Crowe said. “We have lots of friends around the country that I’m sure are going to be helpful.”

    I never thought I’d actually regret supporting Kerry in ’03/’04. I was seriously torn between him and Gephardt, but I decided on Kerry early on as at the time I thought him the most competent candidate. I’ve never trusted Edwards btw. But this has been a sobering experience, to say the least.

    So now Kerry’s a two time loser. As far as I’m concerned Kerry can go to #E££…

  3. Sorry, I don’t really want to keep talking of Kerry. But it’s just that until this very moment I’ve always defended him and stood up for him. I supported him when he had no money before the Iowa caucuses, I supported him during the swift boating and I don’t know how many times I’ve defended him and his record when my friends were all depressed and disappointed. But this straw broke this camel’s back.

    Turning on Hillary is the greatest political no-no of them all in my book. John F Kerry is politically dead to me now.

  4. *from Cenk Uygur (Air America), no Hillary fan. This has gotten out of hand.

    news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/01/11/barack-obamas-campaign-plays-the-race-card/

    Barack Obama’s Campaign Plays the Race Card

    Posted Jan 11th 2008 10:46AM by Cenk Uygur
    Filed under: Young Turks, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Video, Race Relations

    The Obama campaign sent their national co-chair Jesse Jackson, Jr. to tear down Hillary Clinton on MSNBC the other night. He took it too far over the top. His comments on Hurricane Katrina seemed to indicate he was saying Hillary Clinton doesn’t care about black people. It’s one thing when Kanye West says that about George Bush, it’s another when it’s Obama’s spokesperson saying it about Hillary Clinton. That is out of bounds.

    Jackson’s appearance on MSNBC and our analysis of why he was wrong to say it is in the video below:
    What’s even more interesting is what happened after we played this clip on the radio this morning. Calls poured in for nearly two hours — and the results were frightening. It appeared that people have started to split up in different camps based on their identity. Obama supporters were accusing Hillary of not doing anything to help black folks. Hillary supporters accusing Obama of not being sensitive to gender issues.

    Yes, there were definitely exceptions. A black female caller voiced strong support for John Edwards. But overall, the sense I got is that the race issue (and less so the gender issue, but that is also growing) is out of the bag. Once that genie is out of the bottle (to mix my metaphors here), it’s hard to put it back in. For the first time, I think Democrats are on the verge of doing serious damage to one another. This thing could get real ugly, real soon.

    They have got to reel this back in. It isn’t going to help anybody. This negative campaigning definitely turns off voters, especially Democratic voters. It’s one thing to attack someone’s record (which I am actually in favor of), it’s another to do these personal and identity based attacks. The candidates are only hurting themselves in the primaries and their opponent if he or she winds up in the general election.

    One last thing, this particular strategy by Obama is short-sighted. Yes, it might help in South Carolina. But you could win that battle and lose the war because you turned off so many other voters by playing the race card in South Carolina. As a guy leaning toward Obama, I hope he reconsiders this terribly misguided strategy.

  5. i don’t begrudge kerry endorsing (doesnt matter if i do of course).. thing is i can’t see how kerry’s image is a positive for obama at all. he seems to do a lot based on his own ego. it’s funny.. i read kerry was offended about hillary saying his joke about being stuck in iraq was inappropriate, back in 2006. well that was when i got to be fed up with kerry.. he should have backed off quietly instead of having a press conference and right before the 2006 elections. maybe i am wrong and nobody is thinking about it this way but the kerry thing seems to mess up obama’s story, he was this guy who arrived out of nowhere to unify the country? no wait, he was.. discovered by john kerry! who really wants us to know that! and also to know that he doesn’t like john edwards any more!

  6. As a guy leaning toward Obama, I hope he reconsiders this terribly misguided strategy.

    I’ve never understood this about obama supporters — it’s always like please, barry, go back to being the figment of my imagination.

  7. leaning obama,the strategy would’nt enlighten me,it depresses me,you lean the faulty one.
    like bear to my feet,to my hopes,id rather have a nickel,before doing such thing

  8. hi hillfans, it is my night off but i just woke to cspan with a replay of hillary’s speech in california. great speech to wake up to!! anyway, by the end of this month i am going back to my old job of 8 years. so my schedule is going to change. better bennies and pay but a longer commute( 2-hour round trip) instead of the overnight shift i will be working the evening shift 4-12:30am. im going to get super tuesday off so i can follow the coverage with you guys.

  9. Apparently Kerry’s been bitter about the Clinton’s for a some time now.

    from Bob Shrum’s (Kerry/Edwards 04 campaign manager) 2007 book, “No Excuses: Concessions of a Serial Campaigner”:

    “The only thing the Clintons care about is themselves and power.” — John Kerry to Bob Shrum, less than a year after the 2004 elections.

  10. cool terro..and your sleep pattern will change,i cant wait until super tuesday,i was so tense for NH..i dunno about being tensed again,if hillary can handle it i guess i can to..

  11. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=4122927&page=1

    SNEAK PEEK: ‘Shuck & Jive’
    Clinton Explains Himself to Sharpton

    By TEDDY DAVIS, TALAL AL-KHATIB and MIKE ELMORE
    January 11, 2008—

    4 days until the Michigan primary

    8 days until the Nevada caucuses

    The Clintons defended themselves Friday against charges of racial insensitivity towards Democratic rival Barack Obama.

    “Well, I think its regrettable because both of these accusations are baseless and divisive and any fair reading of what both of us said would be clear and I think it’s regrettable that these are being in a way used to try to divide people in our country during this election and I’m not going to have any part of it,” Clinton told ABC News. “I personally find it offensive.”

    “You know,” she continued, “I was inspired by Dr. King when I was a young girl. I considered him one of my heroes, a global symbol, an icon of everything that is the best about America and he worked his entire life to make the changes that we enjoy today so I hope that this kind of unfortunate political activity really just ceases because I don’t think this is what we want this election to be about.”

    Clinton made her comments to ABC’s Eloise Harper while campaigning in East Los Angeles, Calif. She was asked if comments she made about Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and remarks her husband made about Obama receiving “fairy-tale” treatment from the press might hurt her standing with African Americans.

    While the former first lady was defending herself in California, her husband was explaining himself to the Rev. Al Sharpton.

    “It’s not a fairy tale; he might win,” said Clinton. “I think he’s a very impressive man, and he’s run a great campaign.”

    Clinton is under fire for using the words “fairy tale” in connection with Obama. South Carolina Rep. Jim Clyburn told Friday’s New York Times that he saw the remark as a slap at the image of a black candidate running on a theme of unity and optimism. Clyburn is now reconsidering his neutral stance in South Carolina’s Jan. 26 Democratic primary.

    The former president explained to Sharpton that his comment was not a swipe at Obama reaching for the White House but rather a reference to the fawning press treatment Obama has received. In particular, Clinton is incensed that the press has not focused on Obama’s 2004 acknowledgement to the New York Times that when he spoke out against the prospect of war he was “not privy to Senate intelligence reports.”

    “We went through 15 debates,” Clinton told Sharpton, “and the Obama campaign made the argument that his relative lack of service in the Senate was not relevant because he has better judgment than all the Democrats because he’d always been against the Iraq war in every year.”

    “I pointed out,” Clinton continued, “that he had never been asked about his statements in 2004 that he didn’t know how he would have voted on the war resolution, and there was, at that time, no difference between his position and President Bush’s.”

    “Look,” Clinton continued, “there could be a perfectly good explanation for it. Maybe, he just meant, that once it was done, everybody wanted it to work, including the UN. But the point is, it disproves the arguments that he was always against it, and everybody else was wrong and he was right. So I said, ‘that’s what those debates were for, and how many of you knew those two facts, in the audience?’ And I said, ‘So that story is a fairy tale.’ Now that doesn’t have anything to do with my respect for him as a candidate or as a political figure in this campaign. He has put together a great campaign. It’s clearly not a fairy tale; it’s real. And I have gone out of my way not express any personal disrespect for him or his campaign, even when they’ve been fairly critical of me and Hillary.”

  12. Kingsgrove,
    Guess I should’ve read Shrum’s book and thus would’ve seen it coming… Is the book any good?

  13. hillfans, upfront i was a big kerry backer in 2004. he was my choice in the primaries over dean, clark, ect… on my old car i had my john kerry for president bumper sticker still on my car until i bought my current one in 2005. that said, he is just bitter and jealous he lost and ran a lousy campaign. if the idiot had fought back after being swiftboated maybe he would have win. why is it when some obama backers endores obama they haft to trash hillary in sublimal messages at the same time? can they just be what they are for not against? the arizona governor at least what i heard did not trash hillary.

  14. cj, supertuesday is almost no worry to me. closed primaries most of them and lots of women, singles, blue collar, union members, and the poor, all ripe for hillary. it is going to massive. man, if u thought the nutkooks went crazy after nh look out for their reaction after that.

  15. HLR – that’s a wonderful description of Obamites.

    If Obama doesn’t get in our face, we’ll keep him as the rockstar we love. It is why I truly worry about the rezko thing bursting onto our consciousness.
    The damage in Nov. could be huge if the Repubs get to portray Dems as the corrupt party.

    Shelby Steele, a black conservative, had a wonderful conversation with Bill Moyers about Obama (he’s written a book about him called A Bound Man.)

    Among other things he says Obama is more ambiguous than other politicians because he has to appeal to blacks and to make whites comfortable so they can absolve themselves from racism.

    Challengers say “Whites are racists until they prove they aren’t” Bargainers say “I will assume you are NOT racist if you will not hold my blackness against me.” He gave Oprah as a perfect example. They make whites feel good about themselves. Utterly fascinating.

    It seems this new foray into “I lost because of racism” or “the Clintons are racist” will undo his appeal.

  16. Guys, Kucinich has been/is campaigning in Michigan this week/weekend. Where the f*** is Howard Dean? This stinks!

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  17. freckles — please help me understand, why do the culinary workers get ‘special precincts’ set up for them? What about other people who work Saturdays?

  18. Kingsgrove,
    Probably the only interesting bit out of Shrum’s book anyway. 😉

    Re: Kucinich in MI – not a bad thing necessarily. If he can peel any votes away from anybody, it should be from the ObEdmards. I have a real hard time seeing any voters choose between Hillary and Dennis.

  19. More Shelby Steele on Obama:

    “He needs a self. There’s no self there. I think it comes from a lifetime of being bound up and playing one side, and another side, and never feeling that he had the right to be his own man,” Mr. Steele said in a hotel bar this week. “This is the tragedy, certainly, of the black intellectual class in America. They don’t think they have the right to be individuals, so they’re all just predictable, victim-focused, old line. It’s a generation that’s failed to really take us further. Obama is a part of that. There’s nobody there.”

    If that’s true, it leaves Obama free to be a “figment of our imagination” as HLR puts it. It also keeps him repeating “hope” “change” “historic” without any specificity. A lot like a John Wayne or a Marilyn Monroe whom we adore in their portrayals. We do NOT want to know that their screen images are untrue. I think we fight any attempt at reality which may account for the viciousness of Obamite reactions.

    It may account for Jesse Jackson, Jr.’s attempt to portray Hillary’s real moment as false or at least
    self-absorption. Not to mention turning “fairy-tale” into a racist statement ?!?!?!?

  20. Re: Kucinich in MI in the posting above – make that:
    If he can peel any votes away from anybody, it should be from the “Uncommitted” a k a ObEdmards…

  21. Taylor Marsh on the Kerry/Obama man crush:

    “Senator ‘I was for it before I was against it’ just endorsed Senator ‘I was against it before I funded it.'”

    (Quote compliments of reader PamelaB.)

    😀

  22. Someone described a map showing which caucuses Obama did best in: those nearest Illinois and just off the freeways from Illinois.

    From a comment The Left Coaster at Comments on an entry by eRiposte titled “LIEB 103 at the University of New Hampshire: Fundamentals of Public Speaking (Professor: Sen. Barack Obama, Adjunct Professor: Sen. John Edwards)”

    Eriposte, you always have the facts versus the hype! Thank you SO much! Someone needs to “out” the real Obama and you are the only one doing it. Wish the mainstream media would catch on!

    In Iowa, we saw Obama operate Chicago machine politics at its worst. For each claim here, I’ve got at least two witnesses:

    We saw (1) vanloads of out-of-staters and under-aged voters dispatched to whichever precinct was “short” on Obama supporters (using a complex headset system worn by political “observers” working for Obama, as reported to me by friends at numerous caucuses around Des Moines).

    (2) Obama surrogates participated rather than observing. Former Mississippi governor Ray Mabus waded in among the caucusers in a downtown precinct and started pressuring people to shift to Obama. (This was so outrageous, I got 4 witnesses on it, and Eriposte, feel free to contact me directly for names and phone numbers).

    (3) The Iowa Democrats’ overly polite “rules” for the caucus allowing everyone who showed up and filled out a slip with their “name” and “address” to vote. Many of us moms in the crowd knew perfectly well some of those young people were YOUNG and I mean 14 or 15. And just in case the teenagers weren’t sure what birthday to put on their newest fake IDs, the Party kindly posted signs at every caucus with the cut-off birthday. The County Auditor tells me 37 of the new voters in my own precinct said they were 17 1/2 to 18. I’ll be using the open records law to try and get access and check these.

    (4) Obama supporters, here as elsewhere, were booing and hissing at other Democrats’ choice of alternate candidates. Anyone can see this for themselves on YouTube; check videotapes of that primary “launch” dinner in New Hampshire last week. (Do they actually think we’ll vote for him in the general election now???).

    And (5) overwhelmed caucus chairpeople pretty much lost control of the process when more people showed up than there are households in any precinct. (My precinct is 20 short blocks by 3 major streets, taking in about 100-150 households, not all Dems or Indies, but we had 322 “Democrats” at our caucus. Other sites had 450+!!)

    Control was so lost that when my Republican neighbors left their own caucus and went down to see the Democratic one, they found the doors wide open; they walked in unchallenged and said they could easily have caucused.

    Sadly, I’ve been interviewing caucus-goers all over the greater Des Moines area and hearing the same stories: Open side doors that people came in by, observers by the dozens who were counted at some precincts, floods of people that no one who had been door-knocking for months for Biden, Edwards, or Clinton had ever seen before, arriving to caucus for Obama…..

    It was a dirty caucus and should not be regarded as any sort of mandate but one to clean up the process here.

    Meanwhile, 60% of the votes counted in the Iowa Democratic caucus were from the new “voters”.

    ———-

    We long-time Iowa Dems have worked for many reform candidates over many years, putting in thousands of hours phone-banking and door-knocking, and we were not treated with even basic courtesy by the Obama folks. If they think we’ll help him win a general election out here, they have another think coming!
    Posted by LillianIowaDem at January 8, 2008 07:55 AM

  23. HillaryLandRocks,
    Says Taylor Marsh:

    But the big news at late yesterday broke on Jon Ralston’s blog […] lawsuit filed by some Las Vegas residents and the Nevada State Education Association against the Democratic Party of Nevada. I’ve met and been at the house of one of the people who is part of the lawsuit […] so if I can get in touch with him I’ll report more on it. Otherwise, analysis is up to the lawyers. The Times picked it up:

    Nevada’s state teachers union and six Las Vegas area residents filed a lawsuit late Friday that could make it harder for many members of the state’s huge hotel workers union to vote in the hotly contested Jan. 19 Democratic caucus in Nevada.

    The 13-page lawsuit in federal district court here comes two days after the 60,000-member Culinary Workers Union Local 226 in Nevada endorsed Senator Barack Obama, a blow to Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Obama addressed the Culinary Union at their hall earlier Friday.

  24. hillfans, if obama or edwards was in michigan, yeah i would hit the roof. but not headcase kuchinich. the only thing interesting about him is his trophy armcandy wife. sad but true. also fred “krugger” thompson’s wife also is armcandy. the lady looks like his grandaughter.

  25. hillfans, i know we are focus now is the dem nomination but i get a big kick out of guliani’s horrible run. he shot himself in the foot by not competing in iowa, nh, and for most everyother state except florida. by this the media is ignoring him so no coverage of is campaign. his lead nationally and in floriida is gone. mccain is the flavor of the month now.

  26. terrondt,
    I’ve never seen a candidate make himself irrelevant the way Giuliani has done. Not competing in the early states while at the same time often being in the news because of various scandals. Perhaps worst campaign in history? Typical losers like Pat Buchanan or Howard Dean at least competed as best they could. Giuliani has left walk over while pretending to still be in the game. The whole thing is very strange.

  27. 1950democrat, most us here saw that kind of vote fraud coming. hell, i could have flown to iowa and caucused myself the rules there are so damn laxed. all do respect to people here from caucus states, the primaries are the best. same day regristration is a worry for fraud to but in connecticut i think 30 days before. we have either photo id or utility bill to vote( i have like 3 photo state id cards so id is not a problem for me). i hope i don’t sound like a rightwinger for my id views becuase iowa is case in point. walk in and say anything and your in like flin to vote.

  28. As a black american I’m glad Obama, the media and his supporters used the race card because that let me know how stupid they are. They realy think Black people are stupid about the process and approve that crap.

    It’s going to backfired big time and Hillary supporters need to called it out and don’t be afraid that by fighting you’re going to lose that Black vote.

    I’m so disgusted by MSNBC that repub in sheep clothing…they don’t care about Obama…like i’ve said before he is a sheep being led to slaughter. Obama is a puppet and I’ve never, never doubted this.

    Texax4Hillary is so right and you think we like this crap, Hell no!!!!!…the man couldn’t even speak up for the Jena 6 with being called out for it.

    What I’m so disappointed in is the so called leaders in the Democratic party who would let this crap go on…Pelosi is weak! weak! weak!

    Let me just say, that Obama short term plan in trying to get Clyburn to jump into the race and support him backfired big time as he still is staying Neutral.

    Chris Matthew, that repub, is trying to have it both ways, like we don’t know that he voted for GWB and have a brother in Repug PA politics…Their goal is to break the democrats and have them so bitter that they wont support the nominee.

    Black Americans have fought too long to fall for this mess…yeah they might push some young people and new voters to belive this crap…but this won’t fly in Cali, Arkansas, Texas…puhlease.

    I’m really surprised at the Governor of Arizona because Obama will lose her state when the Repugs start the Immigration and Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and Iran ads on his policies.

    The Democrat party leaders are opperating in fear….SAD.

  29. HERE HERE!! carbynew. millions of african-americans like myself remember how great the clintons were and still are to us. we are not dumb and don’t follow big media or obama supporters trying to start a dust up.

  30. rep cyburn is recieving extreme pressure to support obama guys. they are working him overdrive and desperate to get his nod. im sure bill is working on him also. remember hillfans way back last year when rumor had it john lewis was leaning towards obama. i think bill clinton stopped that. i hope clyburn stays neutral.

  31. Second that! Wilentz’s article “MLK Needed LBJ. LBJ Needed MLK. To Pretend Otherwise Is Just Bad History” is very sober and intelligently written.

  32. Hillary Clinton needs to go KJIL(stevie wonder) radio station in L.A. and run some ads or pop in…the D.J.s have been saying Obama needs to be vetted, but also Hillary need her voice in the black community to be heard. I’m from L.A. and I don’t hear her voice as much as I like to.

    She need to fight the race card and the myth that the repugs will slaughter her in the general election. Don’t take anything for granted fight for the black vote.

    BTW/ MSNBC is not helping Obama with their Tom Bradley answers to the lost of NH…it will reinforce in the mind of the SC voters and Tennesee voters with the Harrold Ford Senate run….now I’m being cynical.

  33. “The only thing the Clintons care about is themselves and power.” — John Kerry

    Finding someone or something to blame; for instance if a man bumps headlong into an eclectic pole and blames somebody in front of him or somebody behind him – how is that?

    The Clinton’s were not running for the Whitehorse in ’04, nor was there any apparent reason why they should have campaigned for any one at the time. that is, if they didn’t.

    I would understand Al Gore’s case if he was the one blaming Bill and Hillary for not doing enough during the 2000 election. But Kerry four years later – no way.

    After all, this is only an endorsement (some thing like casting one’s vote) that took many by surprise and left out a running mate. Hillary never wanted or expected it.

  34. The most repulsive thing about this race card issue that BO is shamelessly playing and manipulating for his personal political benefit is that it totally invalidates the central premise of his candidacy – “hope, unity and reconciliation”.

    But then we always knew he is a devious phony, didn’t we ?

  35. Senator “I voted for it before I voted against it” just endorsed Senator “I was against it before I funded it.”

    Sorry — I just loved typing that sentence. It makes me smile.

  36. Here is an article that exposes Obama’s hypocrisy on Iraq war: This was published in October 2007 in international Herald tribune.

    Courageous or calculating? These are the facts:

    In 2004, while getting ready for his star-making address to the Democratic National Convention, Obama gave presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry and other leading Democrats a pass for backing Bush on Iraq.
    Noting he was not privy to intelligence reports shown to Kerry and others, Obama told The New York Times, “What would I have done? I don’t know.”
    Once elected, Obama did not force the issue in the Senate. His first Senate floor speech encouraged Democrats to drop challenges to the 2004 presidential election “at a time when we try to make certain we encourage democracy in Iraq.”
    His first major address on Iraq came in November 2005, when he said U.S. forces remained “part of a solution.”
    Seven months later, he was voting in step with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for a middle-of-the-road approach. On June 22, 2006, they both backed a nonbinding resolution to pull troops out of Iraq.
    More meaningfully, they also rejected a bill — backed by the force of law — that would have required the troops to come home by a date certain.
    Obama likes to say he feared his anti-war views in 2002 would hurt his subsequent Senate candidacy. He may have felt that way, but there was little reason for concern.
    First, his strategy for winning the Democratic Senate nomination hinged on his ability to form a coalition among blacks and so-called lakefront liberals in Chicago, hardly a pro-war constituency. His rivals for the nomination also would criticize the war.
    In the general election, Obama might have had to regret his remarks if the war had been going well in 2004. Still, he was never too far out on a limb:
    _ Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois voted against Bush on Iraq in 2002 and breezed to re-election shortly after Obama’s signature speech.
    _The Chicago Sun-Times published an October 2002 poll under the headline “Illinois is not ready for war.”
    The survey found that more than half of the voters in the Democratic-leaning state wanted more proof that Saddam was developing weapons of mass destruction before the United States waged war.
    Iraq was not a major issue in the race, according to several Illinois political observers.
    “What he was saying in October 2002 — and this takes nothing away from him; he’s a very impressive guy — was not a risky thing,” said Chris Mooney, political science professor at the University of Illinois in Springfield.
    “Not risky at all.”

  37. From Mike Allen:

    Ohio to decide nominee?

    By: Mike Allen
    Jan 12, 2008 09:12 AM EST

    Good Saturday morning.

    President Bush meets with troops and women activists in Kuwait. Senator Clinton might have to fight Senator Obama for NEW YORK. Is March 4 the new Feb. 5? (Now Ohio is even picking the nominees?!) And Carl “Carl’s Jr.” Karcher has passed. BUT FIRST:

    President Clinton, attempting damage control with the civil rights community in an interview on Sirius Left, the satellite radio system’s liberal talk channel:

    “This is what happens anytime anyone tries to question a statement or a position of Senator Obama. The response is, ‘You’re attacking me personally,’ and that relieves him of the obligation to address the substance. … Number one, I brag on Barack Obama in every speech I give – every single one. I have given hundreds of speeches all over America and anybody who has heard me speak, or my wife, will tell you, I always start by bragging on Senator Obama and the other candidates as well. And I respect why many in the African-American community are supporting him and how proud they are of him.”

    BRUTAL – one of only four stories on the front page of today’s The State of Columbia, South Carolina’s dominant newspaper – “Clinton camp hits Obama – Attacks ‘painful’ for black voters: Many in state offended by criticism of Obama, remarks about King,” By Wayne Washington:

    “Sharp criticism of Barack Obama and other comments about Martin Luther King Jr. – all from people associated with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign – have generated resentment among some black S.C. voters.”

    Flashback! Bet you haven’t heard what President Clinton said right before he went into the “fairy tale” remarks about Senator Obama: “Yes, the gentleman in the green suit, and then I’ve got to quit. I got a note here that says Take another question and tell everyone you’re going to Thayer Dining Hall to see all the people that couldn’t get in here.”

    A.K.A. “J-Mart’s Law” – WP B1, “Virginia Considers Ban On Driving While Texting.”

    WSJ A2, “Romney Bets On Michigan For Momentum.”

    What happened to MITTmentum?

    Wolverine State native son Governor Romney got the endorsements yesterday of The Grand Rapids Press and The Oakland Press of Pontiac. The Detroit News and the Free both went for Senator McCain. None of the four papers has backed a Democrat. Because Michigan is in the doghouse with the DNC, Clinton is the only one of the three D front-runners on the ballot.

    JIM PINKERTON quit his Newsday column and resigned his Fox News contract to join Gov. HUCKABEE as a senior adviser to help fill out his policy proposals. Pinkerton tells Playbook he was lured by Ed Rollins, his boss in the Reagan White House political-affairs office, who said it was a chance to “restore the Reagan coalition,” Pinkerton recalled.

    “I thought, ‘I’m not going to turn THAT down,’ ” Pinkerton recalled.

    Reading the Huck tea leaves: Pinkerton, 49, describes himself as a Burkean conservative and a Nixonian realist on foreign policy.

    Tomorrow’s edition of “The Chris Matthews Show” has a couple of fascinating predictions:

    -Gloria Borger of CNN and U.S. News & World Report: ‘We’ve all been talking about how this race is probably going to be decided on Super Tuesday on February 5th. I’ve been talking to a bunch of Democratic strategists who have really been looking this over carefully, and three of them said to me this week, ‘No – March 4th.’ It’s going to come down to Texas and Ohio.’

  38. Please, please, please, will someone please undertake the task of comparing BHO’s speeches to those of JFK, RFK, MLK, etc. He is a mimic and nothing, absolutely nothing he has said is new or even his. It should not be too difficult to take key phrases and cross-reference them online. Somebody who wants to make a great contribution and does not mind the tediousness if not pure obnoxiousness of doing this will do us all a great service. This issue has bothered me ever since my two sons pointed out how he takes what JRE or Hillary says in a debate and repackages it and spits it back out as his own. The next step would be to do a blog posting on this. It would expose him as an empty suit in a very profound way, especially because it is his speechifying and oratorical “skills” which has Big Media, Big Blogs and his adoring Obamabots enthralled.

  39. P.S. Regardless of what anyone online writes about BHO, it is his inspirational speeches that works as his hypnotical tool. Burst that balloon and all you’re left with is the empty suit.

  40. This WaPo article by David Greenberg from today proves my point:

    Many of the voters and pundits who were thrilled by Obama’s compelling Iowa speech 10 days ago remain intoxicated, heady with the hope that he can deliver not just “change” — any candidate running would do that — but a categorically different kind of change from Clinton or the Republican candidates. So what explains the magic?

    The most obvious explanation is Obama’s stirring oratory, with its notes of generational change and unity. The key to his seduction, though, resides not just in what he says but in what remains unsaid. It lies in the tacit offer — a promise about overcoming America’s shameful racial history — that his particular candidacy offers to his enthusiasts, and to us all.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR2008011101414.html

  41. “a promise about overcoming America’s shameful racial history — that his particular candidacy offers to his enthusiasts, and to us all.” Look at this though. How does Hillary compete with this sort of stuff? White men could care a less about sexism(for the most part), but supporting Obama makes them feel good. This is very worrisome.

  42. *NY poll numbers

    http://www.star-gazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080112/NEWS0110/801120317/1001

    McCain pulls close to Giuliani in N.Y. poll
    Clinton has strong support upstate; Obama hopes to narrow the gap.

    By Joseph Spector
    JSPECTOR@Gannett.com
    Star-Gazette Albany Bureau

    …..according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for seven New York news organizations, including the Star-Gazette.

    The poll found that on the Democratic side, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton remains well ahead of her challengers to win New York’s primary on Feb. 5. Clinton, New York’s junior senator, holds a 56 percent to 29 percent lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, her closest rival.

    [snip]

    The telephone survey was conducted Wednesday and Thursday. The poll interviewed 957 likely Democratic voters. The poll had a margin of error of 3.2 percentage points for the Democratic survey.

    Clinton’s campaign also was pleased with the results. The poll found Clinton with an 8 percentage-point lead among men over Obama and a 43-point lead among women.

    Her lead over Obama upstate was also wider than in New York City, evidence of how she has won over upstate voters since taking office in 2001. She leads by 21 points in New York City, compared with 32 points upstate, the poll found.

    “We’re gratified by our strong support across New York, but we’re taking nothing for granted and working hard for every vote,” spokesman Blake Zeff said.

    Obama’s campaign said they also were encouraged by the results. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards only had 8 percent of the vote in New York, according to the poll, and 31 percent of likely Democratic voters said they may change their mind before Primary Day.

    “That’s not a bad way to start,” said state Sen. Bill Perkins of Harlem, who is helping to lead Obama’s New York campaign. “And obviously it’s going to get better as the results come in from other parts of the country.”

  43. Its clear what the B Hussien strategy is since he cannot compete on policy and knows the chicago story is gaining steam he has chosen to play the race card.
    I am an african american man and have been turned off the Barack because of this race card he is playing.
    He is trying to distort the Clintons record with African americans it may work with the young Jesse Jackson Jrs etc but not the older AAs.
    I think lets all here continue to push the chicago story.
    Also people Diane Rehm NPR on monday morning has a show on race playing a roll in NH, please if you can lets flood her email and call if possible to support our gal.
    I am upset with her for this
    We are now being held hostage so Hillary just cant win without race being a factor.

  44. I think it is just sick how the news media is trying to turn the Clintons onto their heels with this racism. I hope Hillary confronts this directly in the debate and sets them straight. Straight talk about how much she and Bill have done to combat this.

    This is just sick, sick, sick.

    I’d never vote for Bambi under any circumstances now and I’m sure a lot of other folks are starting to think the same way I am.

    I would vote republican first.

  45. * Hillary’s traveling to South Carolina Saturday”her turn in a full-hour of waterboarding by Tim Russert on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” LOL!

    latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/01/hillaryhere.html

    January 11, 2008
    A more accessible Clinton stops for tacos

    Over the last week we’ve listened to her. And in the process we found her voice, not to mention Hillary Clinton’s new ad that centers on those carefully-crafted lines of humility from her victory speech in New Hampshire.

    Clinton’s releasing a new ad in the morning in Nevada and South Carolina. You can hear it here, but you’ve already heard it all many times already. Her talking during that joyous speech laid over lots of shots of a smiling female candidate with lots of real people. No more of this all-alone wonky woman wrapping Christmas presents of new government programs to give to the common citizens of America.

    [snip]

    A re-energized Clinton, who’s suddenly making herself more accessible to real people and actual reporters, flashed through the Southland today, releasing an economic program in the City of Commerce and stopping by King Tacos in East L.A. “Hey man,” said Giovanni Zavalza, a tattoo artist, “I’ve just came over for a few tacos and next thing I know, I’m looking at Hillary Clinton.”

    She did a fundraiser in San Diego and later, reportedly, met quietly with some of her major L.A. fundraisers to calm their concerns about last week’s campaign tailspin. Saturday, she’ll invest in chasing Nevada’s Hispanic vote, first in Las Vegas with Henry Cisneros, and then at a Mexican restaurant in Reno, though she didn’t get Nevada’s big SEIU union endorsement that went to Barack Obama.

    Saturday night will be spent flying to South Carolina for some Sunday events, including her turn in a full-hour of waterboarding by Tim Russert on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” A quick trip home to New York and back west again.

    The Democrats’ attention is shifting West now for a while beginning with next Tuesday’s MSNBC debate in Las Vegas and the Jan. 19 caucuses. And, as first reported here, Obama is the first Democrat to start his ad campaign in California, also on Saturday.

    So enough with the wintry campaigns of Iowa and New Hampshire. Here they come.

    –Andrew Malcolm

  46. Sad to say, just turned on teevee and caught the end of Pat Robertson on MSNBC referring to racism coming from the Clinton campaign, BillC doing damage control on AA radio stations, etc. The Righties are eating this pseudo controversy up. You can be sure they’ve got a huge sound byte library piling up for the GE regardless of which Dem candidate that there is. IMHO, H44 needs to steer clear of this subject. It’s a no-winner.

  47. dot48, i understand your position on that but hillary will be on the ballot in as the dem nominee so we don’t have to make that dreadful choice. i won’t go there now becuase i hate to speculate that senario. if a hillfan have your view i won’t judge them. for each is own.

  48. Pollsters have a plan for Nevada: Skip it
    By Michael J. Mishak and Brian Eckhouse
    Published in the Sun on Jan. 11, 2008

    National public opinion pollsters, fresh off a glaring failure to pick the winner in New Hampshire’s presidential primary, are now violently queasy about trying to predict a winner in Nevada.

    In fact, for a variety of reasons, major news organizations are taking a pass on polling before Nevada’s Jan. 19 caucus.

    The concerns stem from the New Hampshire mistake and from knowledge that Nevada has a large transient population not familiar with the workings of a big-time caucus.

    By comparison, New Hampshire is a state with a long history of political participation, a stable population and a history of respected surveys that have accurately gauged the preferences of the electorate.

    Nevertheless, the polls had Illinois Sen. Barack Obama leading New York Sen. Hillary Clinton on election day by an average margin of more than 8 percentage points.

    Clinton won by 2 points.

    In the world of pollsters, that’s outside the statistical margin of error — a train wreck.

    The disparity in New Hampshire added to the anxiety of pollsters already uneasy about Nevada. Even NBC, whose cable news network, MSNBC, will broadcast Tuesday’s Democratic debate in Las Vegas, has no plans to poll Nevada, said Peter Hart, the Washington, D.C.-based pollster whose firm typically conducts the NBC-Wall Street Journal poll.

    Pollsters who do dare to try to gauge not only the preferences of Nevadans but also the likelihood they will turn out for a first-time prime-time caucus face a set of challenges.

    Voters must show up at particular location at 11:30 a.m. on caucus day and publicly declare their support for a candidate in a process that could take more than an hour. In New Hampshire, voters had all day to cast a secret ballot in a voting booth — a process familiar to citizens everywhere.

    In polling language, a caucus is a “low incidence” event, meaning a relatively small percentage of eligible voters will show up to caucus.

    Pollsters have to work harder to find a representative sample of likely caucusgoers, sometimes burning through thousands of households to find an acceptable pool of voters, at significant cost.

    “It’s very tricky,” said J. Ann Selzer, whose firm contracts with the Des Moines Register newspaper to run the highly respected Iowa Poll every four years. “It should be impossible to ever get it right, even in Iowa.”

    For the record, Selzer’s firm was spot on about Obama’s victory, just one point off. But that accuracy came after decades of experience. Iowa has held a high-profile caucus since 1972. Selzer knows a likely caucusgoer when she sees one.

    Larry Harris, a principal with Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, one of two national firms that conduct polling for Nevada media on occasion, acknowledged the difficulty. “It requires a lot more energy than somebody pulling a lever in a secret ballot,” he said.

    Nevada’s highly transient and increasingly diverse population is another complication for pollsters. New Hampshire and Iowa are on the opposite end of that spectrum, with nearly all-white populations and relatively static population numbers.

    “It’s very difficult to know who to sample, in terms of likely voters,” said Glen Bolger, a respected Republican pollster who has conducted surveys in Nevada.

    The Pew Research Center, a respected public policy foundation, regards the circumstances here as so foreboding that it opted to leave Nevada out of its pre-election poll in December.

    “It’s an ascending chain of difficulty: general elections, primaries and caucuses,” said Scott Keeter, Pew’s director of survey research. “Caucuses burn up a lot of resources (for pollsters), and we thought our resources could be put to better use elsewhere.”

    Nevada’s last poll was taken a month ago by Mason-Dixon, which says it will survey voters again before the caucus. (In the most recent poll, Clinton led in the single digits.) Infrequent polling is a problem, said Susan Pinkus, director of the Los Angeles Times Poll.

    “My concern is that you really don’t know what’s going on in your state,” she said. “Everybody’s flying under the radar there. So much is predicated on speculation.”

    Even so, Pinkus returned to the problem of identifying likely caucusgoers in a state that has never caucused in a significant way. “You’d have to poll up to wazoo to find these caucusgoers.”

    Then there is the issue of race, which Andrew Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center, raised in The New York Times on Thursday.

    The New Hampshire results were thrown, in part, by race. Polls frequently overstate support for black
    candidates among white voters, particularly white voters who are poor, he wrote. Poorer, less educated whites refuse to respond to surveys more often than affluent, better-educated whites — and those who won’t answer tend to have more unfavorable views of blacks than respondents who do the interviews.

    The upshot: Obama’s support was overstated.

    Even before the New Hampshire primary, questions arose about the accuracy of polls anywhere this election season.

    In past election cycles, presidential primary voters tended to be older. This year has ushered in a wave new voters, mostly younger, Harris noted.

    Those young voters are more likely to have cell phones but not land lines — and pollsters prefer land lines because they connect the voter to a specific location. So gauging the sentiment of younger voters is difficult.

  49. This is all just so typical. Hillary has a huge upset victory propelled entirely by female voters, so out trots Obama’s campaign with racism charges. Some “new” politics.

  50. I disagree, I think they need to confront these lies head on. If you hide on something like this people will believe it. She needs a whole slew of surrogates out there to bolster everything she and Bill have done to fight racism.

    This is just utterly ridiculous and it must be met headon with sharp swords.

    Any Democrat who follows the Clintons know this is absurd but they have to fight … this is how Chicago politics works and if bambi is the next president this is just a taste of how he’ll UNITE.

  51. frank fahrenkopf on cspan is the former gop chairmam in the 1980’s. he is bring up very great points about open primaries against allowing indies and mischief makers hi-jacking the primaries.

  52. B Merryfield, she cannot just “steer clear” of it. I think she should say that sort of divisive politics is a thing of the past. Three of the last four standing Dem nominees were a woman, an african american, and a latino. She should say what we need to do now is make systemic racism a thing of the past in our justice system, our schools, ets.. In other words, in the lives of ordinary citizens, and then she needs to push her ideas for doing that.

  53. dot48 and terrondt, I am not saying that Hillary should steer clear. SHE does need to confront this head on. What I was saying is that what we say here in H44 is being observed and, perhaps, repeated.

    Speaking for myself, I do not want something I say here about it to be repeated elsewhere. I can’t speak for the rest of you, but you need to keep this in mind. Issues of race are and will continue to be sensitive.

    This is no different than all the hand-wringing that was going on in H44 between the Iowa caucus and NH primary. It went over the top.

    —-

    Another subject, which is more appropriate, posted a good segment about how Hillary’s strength may come from sexism in TM diary:

    http://www.taylormarsh.com/hot_topics.php#1157

  54. B Merryfield, I don’t really like that article. Hillary is head and shoulders the best candidate in the race. If she were a man she would have it swon up by now. So I say that article misses it by a mile.

  55. b merryfield, i was talking about the voting possibilties in the fall. the race trumped up crap will be discounted becuase it is not true. african americans are much smarter in believing that garbage. i know the clintons civil rights record and civil rights history. president lyndon johnson is the best as far as pushing civil rights in the 1960’s. president clinton was the best as far as PUTTING AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN POWER to affect life in the 1990’s.

  56. hillfans, watching a live town hall rally with john mccain in michigan on cspan. just seeing what the political enemy is up to.lol.

  57. terrondt, I think Hill should go to Michigan. Screw the DNC, Michigan is having huse economic problems. They deserved an early primary. I hope she will just go there and give a speech on the economy.

  58. Hillary Clinton is a fighter and her record is better then Obama when it comes to improving the lives of Black America. Bill Clinton is doing the right thing when it comes to going on these AA radio shows. This is low down fighting at it’s most cynical. Black votes hate this crap and Obama team is an idiot this stuff doesn’t fly in the western states…it will backfire big time.

    ITAw/rjk1957 article the media doesn’t know the western states and can’t manipulate the process as they did for Iowa and NH.

    For MSNBC and Obama to pull the race card on the Clintons when their records on Civil Rights or so easy to access is just stupid. But the Clintons must stand up and fight that charge and don’t let Obama swiftboat them on the racecard.

    I would have her surrogates (black pls) even use the race swiftboat charge on the media…to remind the public on Kerry lame ass.

    I would say the media is trying to swiftboad Hillary using the race card. While on Obama and his team, I would talk about my record on Civil Rights vs Obama’s. Obama people like to talk about his community activism…compare Hillary’s community activism always remind the voters about Hillary record (experience) to that faker Obama’s light resume.

    One thing for sure Obama using the race card against the Clintons has lost the Democrat the general elections. That is why I’am shocked at how weak the Democrat party leaders are. The should have squashed this right in the beginning.

  59. I think the campaign should clearly state that Obama and his surrogates have poisoned the well in SC with their divisive racial politics. I also believe we should skip SC because we want to maintain party unity and make sure clarify that position.

  60. I think that a prominent african american surrogate should call BS on this whole race issue. This would be the most effective way to make this stop. Also, a prominent african american woman should also talk against the misogyny that is directed against Hillary.

  61. Hillary will surely address it (again) once she arrives in SC this weekend and likely on Meet The Press.

    I just think she needs to follow the successful NH strategy, and invite voters (black voters in particular) to her events let them ask all the questions they want. She’ll do fine. I’m not worried about that.

    What she should do IMO, is boldly challenge the voters of South Carolina. Ask them if (after McCain in 2000, etc) they’re tired of having their intelligence insulted. Tired of having political candidates passing through, dumping their “trash” in SC (any number of ways to make this point).

    (This goes perfectly with her new theme) MAKE THIS ABOUT “THEM”. TURN THIS INTO A CALL TO ARMS: DO YOU WANT YOUR STATE TO BE A POLITICAL GARBAGE DUMP?…. MAKE THIS ABOUT RETURNING SOME DIGNITY TO THE PROCESS. Frame a vote against Obama as a vote against the ugly politics of division.

  62. Correction:
    One thing for sure Obama using the race card against the Clintons has lost the Democrat the general elections if that fool is the nominee. That is why I’am shocked at how weak the Democrat party leaders are. The should have squashed this right in the beginning.

    Clintondem99, It’s too late! With Internet and the media and Obama stupid ass is pushing this crap…Chris Matthew is a tool for the repug and will not STFU on this. They have to fight. It doesn’t have to be a brawl but they must stand up and defend their record.

    This is old style Chicago politics being played out on the national stage by a bunch of self-serving idiots. That’s right I’m calling out Jessie Jackson jr and any idiot who would pull this crap. The can’t skip SC, they just need to stand and let Hillary be herself.

  63. rjk1957, funny, I sad that months ago. Trailer Park people are also not Republicans. Many of them don’t vote, but I have some relatives in OK who live in trailer parks, and they told me that everyone there hates Bush, they just don’t vote.

  64. if hillary goes to michigan she will be branded as going back on her word on not going there. big media and the rest of them will savage her.

  65. There of 100’s of mobile home parks in NV and O is probaly going to ignore them. He is relying on the unions to get the vote out and this could be his biggest flaw. Considering there were only 9000 caucus goers in 2004, Hillary’s GOTV campaign should neutralize the union impact. Remember there was only 1 caucus site per county in previous years and over 500 statewide this year. 97% of Nevada voters have never been to a caucus and Hillary’s soldiers (sorry O’ for stealing your line) will be better at getting people to the right place at the right time.

  66. thanks mj, looks like she is going to fight south carolina hard. she can win there becuase she proved in nh she can rally to win.

  67. I just cannot believe this Tony Rezko business isn’t in the news. Don’t people realize that this needs to be investigated before the February 5th primary? Why isn’t Fox news or MSNBC covering this?

    What about the Andy Martin news conference yesterday? Did anyone hear anything coming out of that?

  68. The Minefield That is South Carolina by Noam Shcreiber (sp)
    http://www.realclearpolitics

    Obviously the endorsement of South Carolina Rep. Jim Clyburn would be a big deal for Obama. But, if it comes at the cost of awkwardly moving race to the center of the nomination fight (both in South Carolina and elsewhere), it could end up being counter-productive. From today’s New York Times:

    Mr. Clyburn, a veteran of the civil rights movement and a power in state Democratic politics, put himself on the sidelines more than a year ago to help secure an early primary for South Carolina, saying he wanted to encourage all candidates to take part. But he said recent remarks by the Clintons that he saw as distorting civil rights history could change his mind.

    “We have to be very, very careful about how we speak about that era in American politics,” said Mr. Clyburn, who was shaped by his searing experiences as a youth in the segregated South and his own activism in those days. “It is one thing to run a campaign and be respectful of everyone’s motives and actions, and it is something else to denigrate those. That bothered me a great deal.”

    My sense is Obama’s going to win African Americans in South Carolina by an overwhelming margin with or without Clyburn’s endorsement. But if the form of the endorsement, or the run-up to it, were to somehow drive a wedge between the black and white communities there, that’s a problem, since Obama should be able to attract a lot of white votes there, too.

    In his defense, Clyburn doesn’t say anything especially controversial here. But implications matter a great deal. And these are the Clintons we’re talking about, not Bill O’Reilly. I don’t think anyone doubts their purity of heart on race, which might make Clyburn’s comments sound a little unfair.

    Anyway, this is all so fraught I get queasy just thinking about it…

    Update: Ben Smith takes a look at the complete back-and-forth over the alleged racial slights. The view that comes through here, albeit implicitly, is that this stuff benefits Obama.

    I’m not at all convinced of this. The mini-uproar may help Obama win South Carolina–especially since native son John Edwards should siphon white votes from Hillary if he stays in the race. But I think racial tension beyond South Carolina probably hurts Obama–both in narrow tactical ways (he’s going to need a chunk of white independents on February 5; it could also create a backlash among Hispanics), and in broad, thematic ways (his candidacy is so attractive to many voters because they see it as an opportunity for racial healing).

    That said, all this really just hurts the party. If you were cynical, you could argue that the Clintons have an interest in keeping this going beyond South Carolina, for the reasons just mentioned. But any benefit Hillary would reap from racial division in the primaries could be pretty costly in the general.

    Ugh. I wish we could just shove all this toothpaste back in the tube, but something tells me that’s wishful thinking.

    –Noam Scheiber

  69. I know I said last week that she should skip SC but obviously I was wrong. Now on the hinges of this ‘racebaiting’, she has go to go. Go toe to toe and put up her and Bill’s Civil Rights record up against Obambi. There is just no comparison. She should not run and hide but be willing to have the light shine on her and her record.

    Go door to door, answer questions,s he is good at that. Most Blacks, I venture won’t go along with this. Read the piece by Noam Schreiber, this is not good for the Democratic party and certainly not good for Obambi in the long term. Let’s see what he did regarding Katrina vs Hill and Bill.

  70. sometimes I’ll check out Drudge to see how the Repugs are supporting Obama, and there’s a link to the thestate.com of SC that is distorting and taking out of context the LBJ and “fairy tale” comment, and another NYTimes saying that Obama will take the SC win and racial overtones to bolster his NY chances–given the distortion that are out there, I do believe the Clintons need to stand up to the wrongful charges at least stop the distortions- how they do it while not overshadowing the NV contest, I’m not sure.

  71. Kingsgrove, I spent most of my life in SC before I came to Texas. And you are exactly right. Hillary should stand up in town hall meeting after town hall meeting and say “My record and my whole life speak for themselves on issues that affect the black community. I will not respond or give even more attention to the divisiveness that is being sown in your fine state. I know that the voters of SC are smarter than that, and leave it to them to judge. Now, lets talk about the real life things and ACTIONS that are going to help the people of SC …… any questions for me?”

    Frame it as “he is trying to divide over WORDS, I’m interested in the REALITY of helping you, like I always have been.” Words vs Reality. Words vs. Action. Keep hammering that.

  72. b merryfield, i read that story u linked. it was splendid. i hope these so called anti-corporate idealists read that story. this guy is not for the little people at all(obama).

  73. Oh, and as much as I like and respect him, Clyburn pisses me off with his “we must be careful how we speak..”

    Yes, we should. But why are THE CLINTONS the only ones who have to be careful, but the Obambi camp can say whatever the fuck they want to stir up race issues? Hillary has to tiptoe, but Bambi’s surrogates can fling the shit?

  74. Screw Noam Scheiber. First, Obama is doing this to attract african american votes because his base is largely white men, so Hillary is not going to “keep this going”, because she wanted nothing to do with this from the get go. This statement: “My sense is Obama’s going to win African Americans in South Carolina by an overwhelming margin with or without Clyburn’s endorsement.” makes me sad, because Hillary has the issues of SC in mind. She’s the candidate of the working people. She wants to do something no american president has ever done, and that is fully fund public education. Nothing could help SC more. I honestly feel sorry that people are being swept up in this race thing to such a degree. Obama’s economic policies are far more conservative than Hillary’s. Hillary even has a plan for environmental justice, and other issues of systemic racism. So sad that it just comes down to race.

  75. hillfans, i just got off the phone with my gop father in law and he is hillary al the way. this is the same guy that voted for bush twice. he went to bed thinking hillary lost nh, then next morning he found out she won. he detests obama. funny becuase he really hated gore and kerry. going to dinner at his place was not pretty in 2000 and 2004 when we politically clashed. what a transfermation. he told me if obama is the nominee he is voting gop. he is a registered republican and his wife indy UNABLE to vote in the dem primary. but she will vote hillary in the fall.

  76. Good lord, I’ve been away from reading about the primary race a couple days and when I return here to get caught up I find that this appallling racist BS is being stirred up more and more by the Obama camp. One of my co-workers who is smitten with Obama is lapping this up like crazy (he is a white, middle aged liberal). He thinks Obama lost NH due to racism, hates the Clintons and thus believes they may be racist, and is so fired up he wants to become an active campaigner for Obama. There is no rational thinking at all. I’ve got to tell you, this is what frightens me about Obama supporters. They are almost like a cult rather than partisans of a particulary politician.

    I know this will come up as a question for Hillary on MTP. I’m really looking forward to her appearance and I hope she goes right at Russert if he is up to his old tricks.

  77. americangal, they are cultists. they are desperate and will do anything to stop hillary. when they lost nh they made a tactical decision to go nuclear. anybody witha pea brain knows the clintons are not racists.

  78. americangal, you tell your leftist cultist co-worker to wait and see by feb 6th who will be smiling with a bounce in the step at work that morning when obama’s clock will be cleaned the morning after supertuesday. i bet he was not a happy camper last week after nh.

  79. I knew that eventually we would see just how calculating BHO’s “yes we can” chant at the post-NH primary rally was. Here he was yesterday chanting it in Spanish (the original source) at the end of a speech in Nevada. There’s nothing spontaneous or real about him. This is why I said that tracking what he has said and documenting it will show what a phony he is.

    politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/11/obama-i-wasnt-living-large/

  80. Terrondt, my co-worker always come in crowing about something Obama did or said. On the day after the NH primary he came in strangely silent. I finally couldn’t take it anymore and asked him quietly if he had seen the news yesterday. “Oh, yeah,yeah…” he replied and quickly changed the subject. Later in the day he finally caught that I had posted the newspaper headline of Hillarys win right next to his Obama wins Iowa article on our shared bulletin board (LOL). I told him we needed to have both up there as we are in a classroom and need to have balance to our current events. He reluctantly agreed. The final blow that day came when he put an Obama walllpaper on his computer. I told him the school rules were that we couldn’t display our personal political opinion in the classroom. He did take it down…he was having a bad day that day (but I was loving every minute of it).

  81. Oh, forgot to add…yesterday I sent my co-worker all the links I could find on Rezko, Alice Palmer and Obama’s “present” vote history. Hope he reads them…

  82. **roll eyes** from that CNN blog “I wasn’t living large,” Obama told the crowd. “I had an old, beat-up car , had a little, tiny beat-up apartment. I was wearing raggedy, beat-up clothes. I got holes in the shoes, had holes in my car. You all’ve been there. You know what I’m talking about.”

    How about talking about solutions? He’s so patronizing to the people who are actually impoverished.

  83. Americangal

    You should send him the link to the videos on youtube with a Black reporter calling O’s church a racist cult (my words not his exactly)

  84. Rick at Another Angry American blog has a 4-part series called “Uncovering Obama”:

    1. smithfiles.com/2008/01/09/uncovering-obama-1st-in-series/

    2. [skip content]

    3. Pakistan (Dodd vs. Obama) smithfiles.com/2008/01/11/uncovering-obama-3rd-in-series/

    4. smithfiles.com/2008/01/12/uncovering-obama-4th-in-series/

  85. rjk1957, good idea…I am trying to get him to read up on Obama rather than arguing with him. I don’t think I can persuade him via words..he might get a clue by reading articles. He is a news junkie like me. The problem is that he has drunk so much Obama kool-aid that he sloshes when he walks and that’s preventing him from even considering his JFK clone has weaknesses.

  86. hillfans, the dynamics so favor hillary on supertuesday. im not getting ahead of myself or cocky. just that gut feeling she will end this and win. this will shut up big media(for a while at least), nutkooks,haters, and cultists like ag’s co-worker. and i will make em eat crow. being humble to these kooks will not cut it becuase they are so nasty to hillary.

  87. It was depressing to watch Russert on msnbc. He had David Brooks, Susan Page(USA today), Chuck Todd(NBC). It was all in praise of “Obama God”. Russert claims that he has already asked Obama all the tough questions posed by Bill in NH. They think the chosen one is the Democratic equivalent of Reagn. David Brooks made a strange comment that people in the Bush admin would prefer clinton presidency because they believe her policies would be more responsible in Iraq. I really don’t see Russert giving a fair shake to Hillary tomorrow.

  88. Is there a Nevada debate on Tuesday the 15th? Is it in the evening? American Idol has it’s 2 hour premiere that evening. Bad timing if the debate is that night..

  89. Anglachel has a really good analysis of the NH primary vote broken down by hand-counted vs machine-counted votes. The bottom line? “She Won the Vote. Deal.”

    anglachelg.blogspot.com/2008/01/she-won-vote-deal.html

  90. Taylor Marsh link to New Statemans has this article “Obama Unmasked” newstatesman.com/200801100000

    We at the New Statesman must take some of the blame, I suppose. Barack Obama had been a senator for just ten months in 2005 when we devoted a cover to his face, anointing him as one of ten people likely to have an impact on the world. It was only during 2007, however, that the American media fell head-over-heels in love with Obama; when he trounced Hillary Clinton in the Democratic party caucuses in Iowa on 3 January, it seemed that the electorate was swooning in a headlong rush to the altar with Obama, too. By the end of the first week of the ’08 presidential election year, the media had all but handed over the keys to the White House to him.

    So it all came as a shock to the pundits and pollsters on the night of 8 January when, despite predictions of an overwhelming Obama triumph, it became clear that the voters of New Hampshire had given Hillary Clinton the victory over Obama she badly needed. The reason for the media’s distortions, I believe, is that Obama’s relationship with the press and the electorate is still at the stage of starry-eyed infatuation. Yes, he is a mesmerising political orator who offers a magic elixir that somehow contains both stimulants and sedatives: that we need not worry about the present or future, because we can look forward to a new dawn of hope and reassurance in the safe hands of President Obama. Exactly how and why this would happen is not clear, but it is heady and exciting stuff.

    I suspect that the longer the relationship continues, however, the more Obama’s many faults and shortcomings as a presidential candidate will emerge. In his speech admitting defeat in New Hampshire on Tuesday, for example, a hint of his bad-tempered haughtiness emerged. He is not the fresh-faced young idealist the media like to portray, but a hard-headed 46-year-old lawyer whose monumental drive and political calculations make the Clintons seem like a pair of amateurs. The media and electorate may have fallen in love with him spontaneously, but Obama has been carefully plotting his strategy to seduce them for decades.

  91. “In his speech admitting defeat in New Hampshire on Tuesday, for example, a hint of his bad-tempered haughtiness emerged.” Boy, I’m glad that someone else noticed. I thought that speech was awful.

  92. Off topic Huckster:

    After suggesting that Thompson needed to lighten up — he told MSNBC on Friday that Thompson needed to drink a bit of the digestive aid Metamucil — Huckabee later assured reporters that he was only trying to bring some humor to the stump.
    LOL

  93. All – we need some push back on Huffington Post – they are headlining right now with the Drudgereport’s same links which are accusing the Clintons falsely of racism. I just posted, but head over there and comment before it becomes overgrown with Obama-bots who’ll believe anything Arianna says. This is so painful for the Democrats – is Obama trying to ignite a race war and tear the Democrats apart? unbelievable.

  94. admin-we got a story. a state rep here in tx, and obama endorsee/fundraiser borris miles is facing charges and political scandal. will obama kick him off his team?

    Rep. Miles Faces Criminal Investigation, Poss. Charges
    http://www.chron.com/disp/stor
    DA probing complaint against state Rep. Miles
    By MATT STILES and CAROLYN FEIBEL
    HoustonChronicle

    The Harris County District Attorney’s Office is investigating a
    complaint that state Rep. Borris Miles, D-Houston, made threats and
    brandished a gun at a holiday party last month.

    According to witnesses, Miles entered a St. Regis Hotel ballroom
    uninvited, confronting guests, displaying a pistol and forcibly kissing
    another man’s wife.

    David Harris, who threw the party for his property management company,
    said he believes Miles, an insurance agent, was angry at him for
    investing in a rival business.
    …..
    The District Attorney’s Office received a written complaint about the
    incident and is investigating, but officials declined to comment
    further.

    Messages left at Miles’ government and insurance offices were not
    returned Friday.

    Rumors about the incident have swirled for weeks in both Houston and
    Austin. Harris agreed to speak publicly about it last month only after
    being contacted by the Houston Chronicle. It was not until Friday,
    however, that the District Attorney’s Office confirmed the
    investigation.

    ……

    If the accounts from witnesses are true, it would be the second
    incident involving a pistol and Miles.

    Last July, Miles shot and wounded a burglar who police said was trying
    to steal copper from the lawmaker’s 9,000- square-foot Third Ward home.
    Miles, who had a concealed handgun permit and was not charged in the
    incident, said the shooting was self-defense.

    “When he is out and about in public, especially in the district, which
    is a rough area, he carries a gun with him as a matter of principle,” a
    Miles spokesman, Donald Fields, said at the time.

    Miles also gained some notoriety last spring when he personally removed
    two pieces of art on display at the Capitol that he said were
    objectionable. The art in an exhibit placed by the Texas Moratorium
    Network included a depiction of a black man hanging from a rope and an
    illustration of a man tied to an electric chair with the inscription
    “Doing God’s Work.”

    According to witnesses to the December incident, Miles walked into the
    ballroom carrying a wine bottle and a glass.

    During their confrontation, Harris said Miles proclaimed himself a
    “gangster” and “thug,” before kissing Harris on both cheeks and then
    the mouth. Miles then pulled out a gun and placed it in Harris’ hand,
    witnesses said.

    “He was acting as if there was some sort of symbolic power struggle,
    grabbing him by the face,” said Nathaniel Rido, who attended the party.

    Rido said Miles also kissed his wife, Krysynthia, before leaving, an
    act that still angers him.

    “A public official, acting like that – I was disturbed,” he said.

    Miles also said at the party that he would “take down” U.S. Congressman
    Al Green, former local NAACP leader Howard Jefferson and Ben Hall, the
    city attorney under Mayor Bob Lanier. Hall is representing Harris.

    ”He disrespected me, he disrespected my guests,” Harris said. “This is
    totally unacceptable.”

  95. From today’s (SC) The State:

    African-Americans liked what they knew of Obama in the early months of the campaign, Cox said. But they wondered if white voters would support him. Now, after Iowa, some of those doubts are gone, and many black voters have come to see Obama as their best chance to have one of their own capture the White House.

    Anyone who tries to get in the way of that, particularly anyone who is not black, will spark some anger, Cox said.

    “The racial dynamic is always going to be there,” Cox said. “If you have a white female candidate attacking a black candidate, it might look racial. I think that would hurt (Hillary Clinton).”

    I’m bringing this up not to provoke outrage but to have a reasonable discussion.

    The reason the BO camp is pushing this is because of the win in NH and as a hedge against a possible win in NV. It’s the same reason people like Kerry etc are coming out to endorse him after NH. The reality is that if he loses SC, it’s over. I mentioned yesterday that in my view, this is escalating to the point where I don’t believe a confrontation in SC is productive. First of all, it requires time and resources which could be spent in more important states, delegate-wise. Second, if you look at crosstabs of the larger states like CA, FL, the black vote has already shifted to BO, probably for many of the reasons stated above.

    At this point, increasing margins with the black vote depends more on a victory in NV and perceptions of electability. With Obama positioned as a NV favorite with his own very special precincts set up, a loss would start a conversation about his long-term prospects.

    Bypassing SC does not mean blowing off black voters or treating them disrespectfully. First, we have another debate focused on black issues coming up in SC. Second, if we win NV, purely issues-based stops in SC are in order. However, starting a war between surrogates in SC is just promoting strife with no upside I can see. I didn’t listen in, but yesterday’s BC calling in to Rev Al’s show kind of reminds me of Imus … and BC is no Imus. There is a path to the nomination that does not include SC, AL and GA, and if that’s the strategy that needs to be pursued, I’ll have no problem with the campaign’s decision.

    It’s one day at a time, and NV is up next. I did receive an email from the campaign asking if I could help (esp as someone w/ previous ‘caucus experience’ 🙂 ). I wish I could go, but NV is just too far away. I hope anyone here who is within striking distance finds some time to help out.

    http://www.thestate.com/447/story/282561.html

  96. HillaryLandRocks, a woman can’t win on electablity, so if that’s all this is down to, she’ll lose. That’s terribly sad. All americans need a proven, prepared leader, and that is Hillary. But a woman will never be percieved as more electable than a man.

  97. HillaryLandRocks, “I didn’t listen in, but yesterday’s BC calling in to Rev Al’s show kind of reminds me of Imus … and BC is no Imus.” that’s not at all what Bill did. He just said he has alot of respect for Obama and his words were taken out of context. Bill Clinton regularly talks to african american leaders and audiences. This isn’t a one time thing for him.

  98. obama endorsee and fundriaser down here in texas in big trouble. faces criminal charges and political scandal over forcing himslef on another man’s wife. will obama cut him off?

    Rep. Miles Faces Criminal Investigation, Poss. Charges
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5448924.html
    DA probing complaint against state Rep. Miles
    By MATT STILES and CAROLYN FEIBEL
    HoustonChronicle

    The Harris County District Attorney’s Office is investigating a
    complaint that state Rep. Borris Miles, D-Houston, made threats and
    brandished a gun at a holiday party last month.

    According to witnesses, Miles entered a St. Regis Hotel ballroom
    uninvited, confronting guests, displaying a pistol and forcibly kissing
    another man’s wife.

    David Harris, who threw the party for his property management company,
    said he believes Miles, an insurance agent, was angry at him for
    investing in a rival business.
    …..
    The District Attorney’s Office received a written complaint about the
    incident and is investigating, but officials declined to comment
    further.

    Messages left at Miles’ government and insurance offices were not
    returned Friday.

    Rumors about the incident have swirled for weeks in both Houston and
    Austin. Harris agreed to speak publicly about it last month only after
    being contacted by the Houston Chronicle. It was not until Friday,
    however, that the District Attorney’s Office confirmed the
    investigation.

    ……

    If the accounts from witnesses are true, it would be the second
    incident involving a pistol and Miles.

    Last July, Miles shot and wounded a burglar who police said was trying
    to steal copper from the lawmaker’s 9,000- square-foot Third Ward home.
    Miles, who had a concealed handgun permit and was not charged in the
    incident, said the shooting was self-defense.

    “When he is out and about in public, especially in the district, which
    is a rough area, he carries a gun with him as a matter of principle,” a
    Miles spokesman, Donald Fields, said at the time.

    Miles also gained some notoriety last spring when he personally removed
    two pieces of art on display at the Capitol that he said were
    objectionable. The art in an exhibit placed by the Texas Moratorium
    Network included a depiction of a black man hanging from a rope and an
    illustration of a man tied to an electric chair with the inscription
    “Doing God’s Work.”

    According to witnesses to the December incident, Miles walked into the
    ballroom carrying a wine bottle and a glass.

    During their confrontation, Harris said Miles proclaimed himself a
    “gangster” and “thug,” before kissing Harris on both cheeks and then
    the mouth. Miles then pulled out a gun and placed it in Harris’ hand,
    witnesses said.

    “He was acting as if there was some sort of symbolic power struggle,
    grabbing him by the face,” said Nathaniel Rido, who attended the party.

    Rido said Miles also kissed his wife, Krysynthia, before leaving, an
    act that still angers him.

    “A public official, acting like that – I was disturbed,” he said.

    Miles also said at the party that he would “take down” U.S. Congressman
    Al Green, former local NAACP leader Howard Jefferson and Ben Hall, the
    city attorney under Mayor Bob Lanier. Hall is representing Harris.

    ”He disrespected me, he disrespected my guests,” Harris said. “This is
    totally unacceptable.”

  99. mj: HillaryLandRocks, a woman can’t win on electablity, so if that’s all this is down to, she’ll lose.

    Well, it has always been the case that she is perceived as running w/ some assistance ready and waiting on the side, i.e., BC.

    To tell you the truth, I’ve always found it a bit offensive — this idea that she needs training wheels, but whatever. Point is, she’s not wholly perceived as a woman candidate — she’s a woman candidate w/ a former (respected) president serving in a advisory capacity.

  100. HillaryforTexas Says:

    January 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
    mj, yes she most certainly can.

    What do you mean? If it just comes down to who is more electable, a black man, or a white woman, forgetting about who they actual are, it’s very hard for Hillary to win that argument. If it’s about who is more electable because they are head and shoulders the best candidate to lead our country forward, then Hillary wins.

  101. mj: that’s not at all what Bill did.

    It’s the action — having to call & explain, smooth things over.

  102. Look, I’d say that’s a truly awful way to win. Hillary doesn’t need to rely on “electability” to win. She’s the better candidate. There are african americans on this site who support her, so I hope that reporter is wrong.

  103. HillaryLandRocks Says: I am not sure what you expect him to do. He doesn’t like being called a racist. He called in to all sorts of african american radio shows, from what I read. Not just Sharpton.

  104. terrondt: bottom line hillary IS ELECTABLE.

    The issue is BO’s electability, which is called into question if he loses NV.

  105. When Obama and his minions stoop down to play the race card against the Clintons, they would do well to remember the words of Barbara Jordan:

    A spirit of harmony can only survive if each of us remembers, when bitterness and self-interest seem to prevail, that we share a common destiny.

    Keynote address, Democratic National Convention, July 12, 1976

  106. surely they have their own team who can det out on tv and spill out all that the Clinton’s have done for all minority .. inclide everybody including women.

    that is my complaint with them .. they are not utilizing the media to scold themand basically call them out. would not this maggie williams be perfect person to put out there

  107. The truth is, racial issues were going to be raised at some point this campaign; it was inevitable. I just hope Hillary can find a way to get through this minefield. Maybe she’ll be able to be a uniter here, to rise above it.

  108. slightly off topic…

    in NYC for the weekend, saw some Hussein guys outside Madison Sq Garden after an event, trying to sign up people for him (yesterday was supposed to be the last day to register for the new york primary – that’s what they said) so i stayed for a liitle bit to see if there were any takers among the mostly young crowd…nobody signed up…i stood there for about 15-20 minutes, waiting…waiting…no one signed up.

  109. momemtum out of nh and sc could be key though to feb 5. does anyone else think this or is there enough time to iron out any thing that might happen?

  110. Here comes Obama camp, ready to race bait to win S.C. SHameful, i just hope it doesn’t stick, and the Clintons aren’t seen are racist, it is such B.S, but without some damage control, it could stick

  111. The only thing that the Clintons can do is to address the dishonest attacks on them about racial insensitivity (which are really objectively silly) as patiently but as vigorously as possible. This is simply a cynical and dirty attempt by the Obama camp to divide the Democrats and it will be exposed for what it is eventually. (What an ambitious narcissistic prick Obama is? “Nevermind what it does to the country, race relations or my party for so long as I win!!! MWAHAHAHAH!!!”)

    Obama is a disgusting politician. His campaign has been the ugliest and nastiest for a very long time. I really hope that AA will wake up to the con man that he is and kick him to the curb.

  112. The big problem is, Obama is seen by much of the media and many of the his supporters as entitled to the nomination, and that horrible Hillary has the gall to get in the way. That will not change in the short term, certainly.

  113. Rigson, if that could “stick” I will register as an independent. That’s a ridiculous, harmful smear. And, I know exactly what is going on here. Obama’s camp saw what happened with women voters in NH, and they know his “nice enough” sneer reflected poorly on him, so this is where he is going. i can’t imagine anything more harmful to the democratic coalition.

  114. On NPR’s “Wait, wait! Don’t Tell Me.” today, the spoof was mostly at pollsters of course, and Paul Begala was the guest on the I-know-nothing-about-it segment:

    He actually came right out and declared Mitt Romney an “out and out 100% phoney!” Said other stuff too, and was NOT kind.

  115. BMerry

    yup, Hart was there.

    great debut on MyDD btw; there were 48 comments when I read it. Think that Shaun A. is a BO paid employee?

  116. Paula: The big problem is, Obama is seen by much of the media and many of the his supporters as entitled to the nomination, and that horrible Hillary has the gall to get in the way. That will not change in the short term, certainly.

    Paula speaks the truth.

    The best thing to do is to not take the bait, work hard, and win.

  117. “The only thing the Clintons care about is themselves and power.” — John Kerry

    Yeah, that’s the kind of thing losers often say about winners.

  118. limabeans Says:
    January 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    “The only thing the Clintons care about is themselves and power.” — John Kerry

    ungrateful bastard. i regret my 2004 vote.

  119. That Kerry quote tells you that the endorsement was made because of sour grapes and a small-minded, haughty mentality that the guy is famous for and not because of any deep thought and reasoning.

    It says more about the kind of person Kerry is than it does of the Clintons.

  120. so John Kerry feels that Bill Clinton getting up off his sickbed to campaign for KERRY was all about Bill. Bill did it not once but TWICE.

    These latest male endorsements look like the alpha male club.

    I may rethink my whole political heart after this primary if the DNC does not stop this.

    Bill was America’s first black president, that is how AA feel bout his administration. Somebody needs to be reminding media of this.

    I can say this this, BM is HELL BENT on bringing down Bill through Hillary’s campaign.

    Can’t people remember the good days of Clinton team administration.

  121. If Nancy Pelosi does not endorse Hillary I tell you I won’t ever vote Democrat again. I hope the woman of the Senate will see what is happening and just slap the men in the faces. These turncoats want this to be about race and gender. Well they better not wish too hard.

  122. She would be savaged and get a lot more negativity if she skips SC. She and her surrogates need to get there and point out her record and fight for every vote. You all are acting like SC is majorly AA .. it is not. They are important part but not the be all and end all. Her team needs to make her the underdog and let her come out swinging and fighting for every vote. People like a fighter and an underdog. Let Obama take the mantle of inevitable and favorite.

  123. The Rezko affair is certainly worth looking into. However, a much MORE SERIOUS TRANSGRESSION which BARACK OBAMA IS PARTY TO, is occurring in his ancestral homeland at the moment. Obama’s cousin, Raila Odinga, has been accused by HUMAN RIGHTS MONITORS of PAYING FOR MURDER AND HOUSE BURNINGS. Following a defeat in the recent Kenyan election, ODINGA REFUSES TO ACCEPT THE VOTING RESULTS and is encouraging his supporters (mainly from the Odinga/Obama Luo tribe) to take to the streets. Barack Obama has met with Raila Odinga on several occassions and speaks with him by telephone on a regular basis. He has offered public support to Odinga and the Luo cause . One of Obama’s younger half sisters, (from the same village as Odinga) is currently in America as a face to emphasize Obama’s “blackness”.

    Dick Morris, noted Hillary Clinton hater, was dispatched by Obama to work on the campaign of Raila Odinga in Kenya back in November of 2007. It was Morris (Obama)s suggestion to Odinga to have a “Million Person March” to protest the results of the democratic vote. That was cancelled (on behest of Obama) who feared the media coverage of African’s rioting over an election result would reflect badly on his own
    campaign.

    Additionally, COUSIN ODINGA made millions with sweetheart deals with Libya and Saudi Arabia while he was Energy Minister under his father the former government leader in Kenya. That was in exchange for promoting the cause of Islam in Kenya. Most recently, Odinga signed an agreement to promote Sharia Law in Kenya in exchange for the support of Islamic voters. He has also offered to “loosen ties with Washington” to appease Muslims in his country and retain profitable oil deals with Muslim countries.

    As we sit, Odinga refuses to accept the election results, REFUSED A POWER SHARING OFFER from the current leader Kibaki, and has TURNED DOWN INTERNATIONAL mediation efforts. His Luo followers along with others are scheduled to TAKE TO THE STREETS in Kenya starting Wednesday of next week. It is an ugly situation, and hopefully not one that will be repeated by FANATICAL FOLLOWERS WHO REFUSE AN ELECTION RESULT in America. According to international human rights advocates in Kenya OBAMA’S FREIND AND COUSIN ODINGA IS PAYING FOR SLAUGHTER. His only chance at this point to avoid standing trial for War Crimes and Hate Crimes may be to foment an armed uprising in the country.

  124. don’t bank on the Kenya thing getting any media attention. They were using machetes just recently and I don’t think I hear one msm mention of it.

    Dick Morris is another twit, one more cookie and he’s going to burst out of that suit. He hates Hillary so much that it makes me wonder if he didn’t proposition her and she shot him down to his teeny little size.

  125. robert ethan, everything you have posted so far, both yesterday and today, stinks to high heaven of unsourced race-baiting rumor.

    Sorry, dude, you are setting off every alarm bell I have. Admin? Check this out.

    In the meantime I will say, speaking only for myself and willing to take the heat if I am wrong: “STFU, troll.”

  126. can someone please teach me how to do a mass email?

    I’m going to send something around about Senator Obama 🙂

  127. HillaryforTexas Says: In the meantime I will say, speaking only for myself and willing to take the heat if I am wrong: “STFU, troll.”

    Agreed. Admin, get rid of this guy and his vile comments.

  128. I could care a less about Kerry. Who wants that guy endorsing them anyway? he’s a loser. MJS, I’d be very careful with emailing people about Mr.Obama. Your time would b better spent on a positive email about Hillary.

  129. mj, this guy posted the same crap at the end of the last topic. He also kept trying to link OJ and Obama in some weird way. I called him on it then – he did not respond.

    I say likely Freeper troll trying to race-bait and make this board look bad, or Obama troll doing the same thing. ADMIN! Cleanup on aisle 6!

  130. Mj, I do not intend to prove myself as a Hillary supporter. In fact, i think I’m “much more inclined to support Senator Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich” etc 😉 😀

    and I will post the email here first, before I send it.

    I just feel frustrated that I cannot help the media to change their stance about vetting Obama…so i want to take things into my own hands 😀

    Trust me. None of this “Senator BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA” stuff. My email will appeal to the logical and common sensical part of the human mind…about health care, abortion rights, gun control, rezko, etc 😀

  131. Well the other day many of us were thinking that at some time in the future Obama might seasoned enough to be POTUS. I’ve definitely changed my opinion of him after reading about how he left those Maytag and airline union people out in the cold.

    This smacks of career politician with no feet grounded in reality. He could never lead, unite or change anything.

  132. AmericanGal Says:
    January 12th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
    all the links I could find on Rezko, Alice Palmer

    In his election to the US Senate in 2004, Obama’s primary opponent and his GE opponent both ‘imploded’ when files of their messy divorce records were opened (one by a lawsuit by the Chicago Tribune).

    According to the New York Times
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html?pagewanted=4&_r=1&ei=5070&en=5cb008920e062243&ex=1182052800
    The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had “worked aggressively behind the scenes” to push the story. But there are those in Chicago who believe that Axelrod had an even more significant role — that he leaked the initial story.

    Give me your email and I’ll send you more.
    1950democrat *at* gmail.com

  133. dot48, morris is nothin but a twisted FATBOY. ever notice when he talks he has a funny twist on his mouth. his mouth lants sideways when he talks. wierdo.lol.

  134. O btw:

    I think there I have an excellent way for HIllary to gain both media interest and public positive reaction, but I will need someone’s help in telling this idea of mine to the Clinton campaign! 😀

  135. Texas, If you’re too lazy to look things up for yourself, that is not my fault. Use Google. The NY Sun posted an editorial covering some of the points a couple of days back. All of this is percolating the the Right Wing blogs, and you can bet that Drudge and Rep opp artists have a lot more details than I do. If you think it is better to wait and let them use it if Obama wins the nomination, you’re not much of a Democrat.

    All the details about his father are out there too. It isn’t coincidental that Obama’s Kansas grandmother, Maddie Dunham, is kept sheltered from the media. She would poke some giant sized holes in
    Barack’s “Dream Father” myth in a hurry. I don’t imagine she is too thrilled with her grandson turning his back on the maternal family that raised and educated him (to the age of 32), for some self created image as a “black” man.

    As for my mentioning Hillary’s poll standing, if that makes me a “troll” then I confess. Matter of fact, I’ll say it again HILLARY HAS 49% NATIONAL SUPPORT. As well as she’s ever done, and I think a lot of that is SOLID. Voters who have “known” her for 25 years or so.

  136. SO………………………….If anyone in the Hillary CLinton Campaign is reading this:

    {BTW: If you are reading this from the other campaign, let me just add that your political choice is reflective of your candidate’s lack of courage, real insight, values, and honesty}

    but ANYWAYS:

    Hillary’s campaign needs some positive media right? And a good reaction to boot? And she needs to appeal to the youth? Well, that’s simple. Many young people, like myself support Hillary and are very politically active. We are passionate about our support of the Senator and know her achievements, her stands, and her values almost by heart now. We believe in her deeply. However, we have rarely seen this display by the youth…as much.

    The solution is:

    Find a VERY young, passionate Hillary supporter who is willing to stand in front of cameras and give press conferences, speeches, etc, on behalf of our girl and elicit the passion for Hillary that they all possess. The younger, the better so it gets that “aww” reaction 😀

    Hillary should have this person (most beneficial if its a little girl), be truely passionate and honestly passionate about her campaign, to speak and sorta just speak on Hillary’s behalf. 🙂

    She should have a few of these people from each generation 😀 but the children will be the media darlings 🙂

  137. Well, I think I picked the right candidate, but maybe this is the wrong forum. So be it. As far as O.J. is concerned, I just thought that was funny. He more than anyone else has benefitted from “pulling out the race card”. He is the living example of how racial sensitivity can be misapplied or misused. The fact that he is in a Las Vegas jail (and hopefully the local media) at the same time as the candidates come to the state, and the Obama campaign starts to cry racism just seems like divine justice to me.

  138. robert, please refrain from racial criticism, etc here.
    We do not support Barack Obama not because he is African American, but because we do not like the fact that he is all talk and no action.

    In fact, i was leaning Obama in the beginning until I found out more about his resume…which is basically a blank piece of paper with the word “present” on it, and his stands…or lack of.

  139. Obviously they make everything BIGGER in Texas. Including JERKS. Find something I said that WASN’T TRUE, then start running your mouth off.

  140. Sorry HLR I didn’t see your question.

    Here’s why the extra precincts in Vegas are wildly unfair. Everyone has to be at their precincts by 11:00 ( I wish the articles would stop saying 11:30)
    Your precinct is where you live. That means that working people have to go home to vote.

    The extra precincts are in the Strip hotels so that the workers there don’t have to go home. They, and they alone, can vote out of their precincts. I’m not sure if they have to be union workers or not but my guess is yes.

  141. re: “robert ethan, everything you have posted so far, both yesterday and today, stinks to high heaven of unsourced race-baiting rumor.”

    I must admit that robert ethan’s posts made me uncomfortable also. I considered them more hysterical rather than racial. Nevertheless, Turkana over at The Left Coaster has a write-up about “Kenya on the brink” that describes a dire situation with links to articles that describe the situation. I did a Yahoo search on “Dick Morris Kenya” and found that apparently DM did, in fact, try to insinuate himself in Kenyan politics but the article does not make a connection to Obama as far as I can tell. (I must admit that the situation is very complicated and I’m much too focussed on the primary to give it the attention that it deserves especially because I’d just get depressed considering the President we currently have in office and the state of our foreign policy at this time.)

    BTW: Hello everyone, I’ve been lurking around here for a few weeks but only decided to register yesterday (in part because my radar was aroused by the remarks that are being discussed here). I had originally thought better of highlighting this material, but I thought I’d chime in today because I trust Turk’s knowledge…even if he isn’t a Hillarybot like me.

    I’d recommend a reading of the comments in Turk’s diary for an example of someone who tried to make the situation political (in favor of BHO) and got smacked down. The situation in Kenya is a crisis and should not be exploited in any way, regardless of who it might favor.

  142. I didn’t BRING OUT THE RACE CARD. The Obama Campaign and the Media did. I’m just trying to shine some light on it. A little truth instead of blind emotion. Barack Obama is as much a “black” man as Ward Churchill is a Native American. Ask Allen Keyes, who was so disgusted with Obama’s posturing in Chicago, he entered a hopeless contest against him sheerly from outrage.

    Speaking of Chicago politics, don’t overlook the fact that both of Obama’s opponents during the State Senate run were ELIMINATED BY BEING SMEARED with personal background information that was supposed to have been sealed in Court Records. Blair Hull because he stepped on his wife’s foot in the course of an argument, Jack Ryan because he took his wife to a sex club early in their marriage. That was how Obama won his South Side elections, not through nascent political acumen or brilliance.

  143. b merryfield, i checked out the previous links. no specific blog on that one. i may have to search harder. i will try the one above.

  144. IF ANYONE WANTS TO “GET OUT THE VOTE”

    voiceshot.com/public/political.asp?ref=ggotv

    make HUNDREDS of calls for Hillary 😀

  145. freckles: Your precinct is where you live. That means that working people have to go home to vote.

    The extra precincts are in the Strip hotels so that the workers there don’t have to go home.

    Let me explain what I don’t understand — the general attitude in Iowa for people working second-shift on a Thurs eve was “so sad, too bad.” Heck, Council Bluffs, IA is a gambling town, and if there were any ‘special precincts’ to facilitate worker participation, I didn’t hear of it.

    What about convenience store, liquor store, etc workers on Saturdays? Do they get their own precincts so they don’t have to go home? I guess what I’m having trouble with is what makes culinary so special? Note that I’ve only been to Reno and driven “America’s Loneliest Highway” through NV, so I might be missing something.

  146. terrondt — the population of NV is 2.5 million; don’t get why the state has to bend over backwards for the 60K Culinary union.

  147. makes one think they are going to play dirty somehow with these special precincts .. subliminal blackmail to the workers who might fear not voting the way they were told..or some kind of payback if they just choose not to caucus. smells like a demand for them to get out and they better support bambi. by them having these on the strip how easy is it to target those who won’t be blackmailed.

  148. EVERYBODY

    if you can, use that GOTV site that I linked and either:

    1) record a positive message in support of Hillary

    OR

    2) record a negative but factually based message for Senator BHO WITH NO MENTION OF THE HILLARY CAMPAIGN OR YOUR SELECTION OF HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESDIENT ANYWHER!

    I think I will paint myself as an Edwards supporter 😀

  149. I’m sorry, Robert Ethan but we are enforcing zero tolerance on race-baiting here. I’m with HillaryforTexas. Maybe your posts are as factual as it can be but we will not discuss that here to remove any appearance of impropriety. I hope you desist from it. There are a number of reasons why Obama is the WRONG candidate, but race is not one of them. Hillary is the better candidate and we are the better supporters. While Obama supporters insist on tolerating misogyny in their ranks, we will not tolerate even just the appearance of impropriety among ours. (No one’s racist here.)

  150. Exactly. Race is not at issue for Hillary supporters. We believe in her because of the kind of leader she will be not the color of her skin. We just don’t do that here.

  151. mjs, I am willing to record a positive message for our girl. However, since I am not an effective putter togetherer I’d like just a short message to say. I know why I support her but I can’t communicate it in an effective manner. I’d like some help on what to say that will sound smart. Again I apologize for the spelling and keyboard defects – it just sticks and won’t work half the time for caps.

  152. Your precinct is where you live. That means that working people have to go home to vote.
    The extra precincts are in the Strip hotels so that the workers there don’t have to go home.

    Makes sense. And attending caucus lets the union boss see whether you’re voting the way he told you to. And having the caucus place next to where you work, means you’ve got no excuse to stay away from the caucus.

    Most caucus states have their caucus in the evening. Having the caucus in the morning means that working people elsewhere can’t get home to attend. (And as someone mentioned, Orthodox Jews are very limited what they can do on thier Sabbath; some won’t even drive.)

    Most unions don’t like Obama. This union was requested by its national organizaton to remain neutral.

    This NV union stuff sort of smells like Chicago.

  153. If you guys keep acting like scared sheep, you’ll come to the same conclusion. The Slaughterhouse. Obama benefits tremendously by ‘”saving the rest of the world in his spare time” with phone calls to Africa. But the fact of the matter is, his meddling there has been partly to blame for the CURRENT HORRIFIC SITUATION. The Obama campaign doesn’t even want to admit that Odinga is related to Obama any more (now that things have gone wrong), even though it is common knowledge in Western Kenya, and Odinga has acknowledged that to the BBC. The current leader Kibaki wouldn’t answer Obama’s calls, because of his previous support for Odinga. The African politicians called Obama “Odinga’s Stooge” when he went there awhile back. If Obama is going to trumpet his “international appeal” based on his ETHNIC AND RACIAL BACKGROUND, then the world deserves to SEE THE RESULTS. To this point in time, the results include church burnings, ethnic cleansing, probable war crimes by his cousin, and mass drownings in a river of refugees.

    The fact is OBAMA HAS MET WITH ODINGA, both in America and in Africa. The fact is they COMMUNICATE VIA TELEPHONE. The fact is Dick Morris did go to work “pro bono” for Odinga, even though he was being pursued by the State of Connecticut for unpaid taxes at the time. The fact is the presence of an outsider, and a white outsider at
    that, in an African election, CAUSED GREAT RESENTMENT.

    All of this needs to get out there. The N.Y. Sun article of January 10 was the first media acknowledgement I’ve seen, although Christopher Hutchins skirted around the edges of it in a column he wrote about how silly it was to try to base this contest on “race”.

  154. I think that someone in the campaign should check into these “added” precints. It shouldn’t be legal and I’m just saying that if I were a member of that union I’d feel a bit bullied right now. It’s like saying okay here we set this up just for you and you BETTER SHOW up.

  155. Well, it’s not worth fighting with a crowd. I thought this forum was at least partly dedicated to finding reasons not to support Hillary’s opponents. I just brought some up that hadn’t been mentioned. C ya.

  156. dot48 and anyone who is interested in using the GOTV, I will post two statements

    one supporting Hillary CLinton and one against Senator Obama, very shortly!

  157. As for this racist rant, I’m sure it will blow back on Obama. It conflicts with the hope-and-change mantra that means we are turning the page on racism.

    I’m not sure about SC but I think it might not work there either. If you’re not AA and you have to be less racist than the Clintons, can any one of you comply?

    When we turn the page will it be racist to say fairy tale? Will it be racist to criticize Pres Obama? Will that be better than being unpatriotic if you criticize Bush?

  158. robert ethan? — You might try Mydd.com or Kos or some place where you can make each post a separate ‘diary’ which is easier to find and stays prominent longer. Also their tone is much more … lively … than here at H44.

    Speaking of Chicago politics, don’t overlook the fact that both of Obama’s opponents … were ELIMINATED BY BEING SMEARED with personal background information that was supposed to have been sealed in Court Records.

    That was the US Senate run. In his State Senate run his opponents were ELIMINATED FROM THE BALLOT by challenging under a new voter list, signatures that were collected under the previous list. Search for ‘Alice Palmer’

    For the US Senate run, see

    http://www.greatdreams.com/2008/obama.htm
    http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=%22Blair+Hull%22+%22Jack+Ryan%22+%22Alice+Palmer%22+Obama&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/magazine/01axelrod.t.html?pagewanted=4&_r=1&ei=5070&en=5cb008920e062243&ex=1182052800
    The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had “worked aggressively behind the scenes” to push the story. But there are those in Chicago who believe that Axelrod had an even more significant role — that he leaked the initial story

    Sorry must run now.

  159. Giuliani — “he shot himself in the foot by not competing in iowa.”

    It’s typical of Rudy. He ducks a fight when he knows he’s going to lose. He ducked a butt-kicking from Hillary in 2000, dropping out because his butt was too sore from prostate surgery and couldn’t withstand another butt trauma. Hillary went into her weakest state, put up a fight, took her lumps, then came back to win NH.

  160. We may not like what Robert Ethan has been talking about but Repugs are going to latch on to some thing like that and raise big stink.

  161. FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS A STATEMENT TO SAY ABOUT HILLARY:
    (A little long)

    George Bush will be leaving by the end of 2008. I think a lot of us will be sighing in relief at the prospects. Under seven years of his leadership or lack thereof, we have faced an increasing national debt to China, a war where our brave men and women are fighting a misguided and corrupted battle, and where most of the nation has been dragged down, whether economically, health-wise, morally, or educationally by the policies of President Bush.
    In 2008, we are ready for a new beginning and we begin to look towards the prospects of who should and could be the next president of the United States. It is absolutely critical that we all join in on this discussion for who will lead the United States into the future for the sake of ourselves, our children, and the future of the longest standing democracy in the world. We need a president who can get us out of this mess in the middle east. We need a president who can restore the country’s economy, stop outsourcing jobs, end the foreclosures, provide healthcare to all, and work towards the improvement of this country’s education for the sake of our children, our futures, and the future that this world deserves to see.
    It is for all of these reasons that I support Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton from New York. Many candidates do speak of similar changes that she proposes, but I have found that she is the only one who has actually acted upon her ideas in both the past, and the present. When I look back at her thirty-five years of experience—whether it was in helping to establish higher healthcare and educational standards in Arkansas, or fighting for universal coverage in the White house, succeeding in getting coverage for disadvantaged children, fighting to give big corporations the taxes they have eluded, or the work she’s done in moving our country forward in progress in the senate, I know that she has fought all her life for the very progress our country needs. She is the only candidate who fights for this progress and has consistently made a difference in our lives, and the prospects that await us in the future. In my heart, I know that she is the only candidate who will move our country in the right direction.
    A lot of other candidates talk about progress, but when the time comes for them to enact on their words, they never deliver. Hillary Clinton has always worked for progress, and if we elect this woman into the white house, she will make sure that our needs, our dreams, and our goals can be achieved, as she has done throughout her long career. In this critical year, we must elect the champion of progress: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

  162. clintondem99, no offense but I really could care a less about what Republicans do. I support Hillary for one reason only, she’s 1000% the best candidate in the race.

  163. wtf, they show hillary with no sound, but they show obama with sound speaking. what is that all about? on cnn.

  164. “in NYC for the weekend, saw some Hussein guys outside Madison Sq Garden after an event, trying to sign up people for him.”

    Yeah, I saw the same group. Saw a group of young black women walk by. I overheard this: “I like Obama. But I’m not going to vote for him.”

    That’s right, NY primary registration closed yesterday – you can’t walk in at the last moment and game the primary.

  165. Hillary is so smart.
    Have you guys realized now, why she is going onto “Meet the press” tomorrow with Timmy Russert?

    If you haven’t…here’s a little clue:

    If Tim Russert’s one of the moderators in the debate….and one of the few people who really hate her in the media……………………………

    well….some fine press time in “meet the press” could entice Timmothy to vet Obama a little more thoroughly….

    I just hope Hillary brings up the largely ignored “present” votes on abortion, gun control, strip clubs around school, etc.

  166. yeah, in the nytimes they had a story on obama people thinking they can make ny close. what are they dreamin up?

  167. The New York Times is stupid.

    They cited a win in SC and NV as possible to persuade new Yorkers.
    Right. THey are all already registered. I doubt they will change in opinion that easily.

    hell, Obama can win an Oscar for all I care, or a nobel prize for most charismatic speaker, but that still won’t make me vote for him, and anyone who votes based on who won what is an idiot.

  168. NYT headline: Obama closing in on Hillary in her own backyard. See how they twist this. Many people will skim the headline only.

    After election I’ll never watch cnn or msnbc. We know that Fox hates her and Bill but boy was I ever surprised about MSNBC. I actually watched Chris and rooted for Harold Ford and voted for him here in my state. Things that make you go hmmm.

  169. dot48, on the contrary. i will watch them even more because hillary will have took their best shot and she still won. watch big media, nutkooks, and haters sqirm.

  170. BMerry

    I just read that Newsweek spread on Bush’s long term commitment to Iraq.

    There goes any halt on the construction of the world’s largest and most expensive embassy that sits smack on top of the largest oil field in Iraq.

    Is Hillary’s demand that Bush not enter into this type of agreement without Congressional approval on record?

  171. i find it funny alito enabler sen nelson endorsed obama and the blogs row about it. nelson has screwed the dems more than lieberman. hail to the hero. nelson says obama will run america bipartisan. yeah. wait tillt he sc issues judgement on voter ids bc of alito. big blogs love that nelson-now?

  172. “When we turn the page will it be racist to say fairy tale? Will it be racist to criticize Pres Obama? Will that be better than being unpatriotic if you criticize Bush?”

    They keep on tying Clinton to Bush but if there’s anyone who’s like Bush in this campaign – it’s Barack. The number of comparisons you can make is quite scary.

  173. regarding the star tribune article. Those 3 women get it. If some one who is savvy can find contact email for them or office numbers we should thank them.

    Every female endorsement she gets can lead to more women who get it. Perhaps we could find someone here who would be willing to find/post the info for these women so we could send email. I can email and I signed up for the GOTV recording but I’m not resourseful to find things online.

    I want to help support Hillary Clinton for President in any way I can though. I donated what I could and wish I had so much more.

    This chance to put a smart woman in the White House will not come again most likely in many of our lifetimes. I want to change history not only with a woman candidate but THIS woman who just happens to be the best qualified to do the job at this time.

  174. Best. Comment. Ever. On the bloviating media coverage of this race. Overheard on Firedoglake:

    Why oh why does the entire nation have to suffer because Tweety couldn’t get a date for the senior prom? 😀

  175. Dot48
    New Yorkers are use to the kind of headline tricks the NYT plays. Personnally I will take the 2 to 1 margin that Hillary currently has leading O 56% to 29% in NY with 3 weeks to go before the election.

  176. Tucker Carlson is also disgusting. I found him completely overbearing before I did Matthews. His remarks about just crossing his legs when he sees Hillary is just stupid. I fear now though that more people may turn to MSNBC to see the train wreck..we gotta be careful. I haven’t watched them since NH but did plow through and see Abrams try to salvage and placate on their behalf. I found Scarborough overbearing from the getgo so I didn’t have to even stop watching his show.

  177. BMerry

    I hate to ask because you already put so much time into this site, TM’s and the new one, but when you put up a link, can it be in that purple color so we can click on it?

    Second thought…is there a way I can make it “clickable” myself?

    Thanx

  178. http://www.newsweek.com/id/91651

    Good grief. I’ve got to go. Merry posted this link on Hot Topics but it sounds like something we should all read and get ready for.

    On a quick look, it seems that Bush Jr is trying to lock in some US presence thing in Iraq that will be BINDING ON FUTURE PRESIDENTS. (Hillary is against it of course.)

  179. dot48 at 5:52

    I found the website http://mnwcf1.nonprofitoffice.com/index.asp?Type=NONE&SEC={5CC7AF79-7BE9-4A98-8831-889420D3C6B0}) and emailed them at info@mnwcf.org

    Dear Women Winning,

    I ran across an article online from the Star Tribune’s Lori Sturdevant regarding your organization, and wanted to thank you and Marilyn Bryant for your support for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, our nations first viable woman presidential candidate.

    I am thrilled that she is receiving the bipartisan support she so richly deserves, and that women of all political stripes are seeing the immense opportunity this poses for for our nation. I believe that she could well be one of the most effective, common-sense leaders our country has ever seen. And I will unashamedly cry with joy the day she takes her inaugural oath. I am maxed out on my donations to Jillary’s campaign at the moment, but will bookmark and come back to WomenWinning’s donation page when I am able.

    Solidarity with the women of Minnesota, all the way from Texas,

  180. BMerry

    You can tell how far behind I am from the following:

    Congrats on the article pickup by the JE blogger…!

  181. clintondem99, no offense but I really could care a less about what Republicans do. I support Hillary for one reason only, she’s 1000% the best candidate in the race.

    No offense taken(though it hurts). I agree Robert Ethan’s talk has no place here.

  182. Carbynew …Hillary must go to SC, it is beyond if she wins or loses SC…it is her standing strong and on principle…what the country is beginning to see is the Hillary we see…not the cartoon or definition that was created to box her in…not the woman that supposedly no one likes…but the Hillary Clinton that is brave, principled, prepared and offers clarity, depth and substance along with her humanity, sensitivity and humor…as even Newt Gingrich is declaring…Hillary Clinton is showing her courage and integrity and everyone is watching not just SC…so I say, wholeheartedly, GO FOR IT!…make every weakness a strength…introduce yourself and your character to our country on your terms…

    I agree she should encourage some high profile black supporters to step in and counter and refute as in Rep. John Lewis and/or Maya Angeleou…perhaps another radio ad or some statements/interviews with them on her behalf…

    B.Merryfeld…regarding Obama’s speeches and oratory style…I mentioned previously he is using the tactics of a salesman in the style of television evangelist Creflo Dollar…does anyone else notice?

  183. I read the actual transcript from Cuomo. Amazing how it was taken out of context. If anything, shuck and jive could refer to Slick Willy Clinton–the One, the Master of the shuck and jive.

    Mario Cuomo, Andrew’s father and former gov, is a liberal icon. The Cuomos are racist? The Clintons are racist? What are the Obamas up to? This isn’t about winning votes in SC. This can’t be an election strategy. I think it’s about vetting Obama. There’s something really shady, and they want to use race to protect him.

  184. dot48, the morris scandal happened during the 1996 dem convention. he got stinged by star magizine and set up by the call girl he was was going on all fours for. he was fired by clinton. that explains the hatred he have for the clintons. he is a foxnews hillary hitman. he is ever so making dead wrong perdictions of hillary’s political career.

  185. hillfans detroit news and american research group has hillary at 56% and 57% in each poll. uncommitted is around 33 and 29% for whatever it is worth.im not a great linker so you may go to the site for internals.

  186. So now I know, wow…. I really agree with many here that if her campaign refutes this racist crap by using reputable people and just turn the tables, I think SC can come to her side. People are beginning to realize that the more they hear from her, the more they like her. Her strength and leadership have never been in question. They want a reason to like her and therefore validate the vote … they will like her because she is likeable and she’ll win, win.

  187. john edwards is a weasel.. LOL.. when will he get out of the race? 🙂

    NV is a tight race. pundit pollsters have taken a step back since they have NO CLUE how to poll caucus attenders or predict turnouts. my impression, huge turnout, she wins white women, latino women, latino men, by a HUGE double digit margin. obama wins white men, african american women and men, albeit by much smaller margins. which would give hillary a handy win.

    this will be different from iowa. i dont think most of edwards supporters (if any) second choices will be obama. they will undoubtedly be hillary. reason, simple. its the economy stupid. the reason edwards is slipping nationally is because of hiss message, its same as hillary’s. he has moved from his previous message for poor to message for middleclass. but middle class and even poor trust hillary more with the economy, and rightfully so. she has stood against predataroy credit card lenders, home lenders and big business health companies. Even wall street thinks tax break for middleclass and incentives to middle class is the right thing to do at this stage of economic crisis. beat that edwards.

    so in NV, race will primarily be between hillary+edwards vs. obama, and getting more than 50% of vote is a tough deal for Obama. in the end it all comes down to GOTV, and Hillary campaign has proved time and again how good they are at this exercise.

    which brings me back to one more issue. Iowa still seems somewhat fishy. what happened? why so many younger voters? where did they come from?

    MJS, you give us hope that hillary has chance in IL :). however, a double digit lead this late in the primaries will be too tough to overcome. however, if she spends some reasources in IL, she has better chance. but I doubt she will do it, since she is better off using her time elsewhere.

  188. Satanic emissary Bob Novak claims Oprah backlash scared Winfrey away from NH.

    ” Winfrey did not publicize it, but her Website was swamped with complaints after she went to Iowa … Several of these critics identified themselves as African-Americans.”

    Women vs. Oprah

    Roseanne’s blog is getting hot. She got flamed by Obamabots for supporting Hillary. Let’s show her some love.

  189. FWIW

    Ya’ll the post here @3:29 sounded eerily familiar. Those of you who know me know that I’m going to go looking.

    Houston, we may have a problem…

    Check out last night @8:50. And WAY too much followed for a first-timer who’d been kicked off the sleeping porch for heavy snoring.

    Let me know if I’ve been watching too much “Shark” again.

  190. WOW MJS

    I’m gonna plagerize your statement like crazy. Great way to string words together like pearls on a silk cord!

  191. * Damn. I guess TeamClinton was really under pressure before NH! Blumenthal got arrested. FromTMZ….

    link to website (with mug shot): tmz.com/2008/01/12/hillary-advisor-busted-for-dwi-in-new-hampshire/

    Hillary Advisor Busted for DWI in New Hampshire
    Posted Jan 12th 2008 6:03PM by TMZ Staff

    Perhaps it was an early celebration? A senior advisor to Hillary Clinton was arrested and charged with aggravated drunken driving on the eve of the New Hampshire primary.

    Nashua police say Sidney Blumenthal (seen here in the preppiest mugshot ever) was arrested early Monday morning after his car was pulled over for traveling 70 mph in a 30 mph zone. Officers smelled alcohol and issued Blumenthal a field sobriety test, which he failed. He was then arrested. Since Sidney’s car traveled at such a high rate of speed, he was given an aggravated DWI. Now he’s got some aggravation!

    Blumenthal is a former White House advisor to President Bill Clinton, and is now working for Hillary as an unpaid advisor. He will be arraigned later this month. Note to Hillary: he might not be available for the South Carolina primary!

  192. caroline, michigan dem poll, detroit free press and american research group. dot48, no, bill clinton is the worlds biggest hillary campaigner. you send him to michigan they will be fried for it.

  193. I volunteered today in SC, and voters were delighted to receive a telephone call from the campaign. SC Democrats support Hillary, and they are prepared to vote for her. If Hillary visits the states and campaigns on her entire record of public service, especially her days as First Lady of Arkansas, she can win the state. Voters in SC are excited by the prospect of universal health care, and they desire a President who will address their economic problems. Hillary can win SC.

  194. goodnews pulchritude. maybe all this dust up is only beltway only chatter. good to have somebody’s ear to the ground in sc.

  195. awesome pulchritude for your work in SC. I think that if she can win, that would be amazing, and even if she comes in close and defies expectations there, it will stop his momentum.

  196. Thanks pulchritude for your work in SC. I am so excited. YEEEEEEEHHHHAAAAAA (sorry, I just channeled a Dean moment).

  197. torrendt.. i think the way it would work is.. it will be tugged under the carpet for now. later, during convention, if the race is close, dems WILL HAVE TO SEAT MI. so she wins MI, FL, NV and close SC. if what pulchritude is saying is true, she might even win SC. if she wins SC, the race is over.

  198. Thanks, pulchritude! I grew up in SC, and lived there til about a year ago. I have no doubt that Hillary is strong there.

  199. I had a gut feeling about NH and I posted about it here. I have that same gut feeling about SC and I think that she can win.

  200. Anyone who has hired people in the course of his or her career will understand the experience argument both intellectually and emotionally.
    Most candidates look good in the interview process, and some of them look great. But the real question is how will they actually perform in the job, once the probationary period has lapsed. You can never be 100% sure. But the best predictor you have is past experience. Hillary wins with that audience hands down.

    But what do you say to the rest of the people? The argument there is more of a consumer argument. After all, everyone is a consumer. It might go something like this:

    Q: If you see something you think you like do you buy it on impulse or do you check it out?

    Q: So you know that what you see is what you get?

    Q: So you know it will perform as it is supposed to?

    Q: So you dont make a mistake you later regret?

    Q: Then let me tell you some things you may not know about BO.

  201. the media is so blinded by their infatuation with O and their personal dislike for Hillary that they underestimate Hillary and her support…the ‘group think’ is trying so hard to manipulate the public that they have a hard time believing that her strengths will win…they did the same thing with Bill Clinton…I remember so well how gleeful Tim Russett was in insisting that Bill Clinton was done and his Presidency was over…they never learn…

  202. s- good point, I believe Hillary will win and the fight will be tough – not a far conspiracy stretch, I also believe the Republicans are actively trying to help Obama win – when I saw Ben Smith post a video of the NH debates that was not flattering to Hillary – he attributed his source to the RNC, and that really made me see the link between the media, the left-wing blogs and the RNC stirring the pot. I’m an activist often supporting gay/lesbian equality, but 40 of our organizations don’t equal the budget or the staff of one Focus on the Family- their organization is incredible, any letter that is sent in protest, they can personalize and send back within 2-3 days – they have the organization and the money. So, we should never underestimate the insidiousness of their fingerprints all over this. I wish often that the Democrats had the infrastructure to pushback on the dirty tricks of the Republicans.

  203. meiyingsu here is my take.

    NV is state with a significant latino population
    NV- most important concern for voters, ECONOMY. no talk of hope, no talk of change. its ECONOMY. the biggest real estate bust has happened in small towns of west. they feel the crunch. they have it in their everyday life.
    NV : Unlike Iowa, the vote is between hillary and obama, with edwards having high possibility of not being viable. UNLESS Edwards asks his supporters to go to Obama, his supporters second choice would be Hillary, just because economic situation. Hillary is already touting her economic plan. She has to make it more strident as january 19th gets closer.

    finally, women voters are becoming more conscious of historic symbol hillary represents.

    Harry reids organization helps her to a great degree. However, obama has a formidable field operation too in NV. but I still feel hillary has an unprecedented GOTV which is what gave her an edge in NV. I am positive, if ONLY FIRST CHOICES were analyzed in IW absent illinois students, hillary would have won that caucus too.

  204. ethan, I am not sure what you are saying has a real beef. I myself am totally confused by the story. fwiw, obama’s past always has seemed fishy to me, but again, I havent read his books, neither would i pay to buy his book. so I am not sure where you are going with the story, but will delve into it once you provide some valid facts. till then, i will be a tacit reader of your posts.

  205. notice now that bambi is teaming up endorsement announcements..male and female. I don’t know what he is promising these people but they are lapping it up like hungry dogs. I am noticing also that Hillary’s new endorsements rarely get a mention.

    I’m sure Timmeh will hammer her tomorrow on these endorsements and I can’t wait to hear her put him in his place and also get it out that she has new endorsers but that the media doesn’t seem interested in hearing about them.

  206. BMerry

    havn’t been on for awhile because I’m reading all those Smithfiles.com posts’
    . What a goldmine of information! And names and dates for backup…not of everything, but most.

    Thanks

  207. I notice many of the Senators who received $10,000 donations from Hope Fund PAC are now endorsing Obama.

  208. well if it’s true they got donations then I hope somebody points it out. Wasn’t that suppose to be shut down. This must be part of Chicago down and dirty.

    I hope that Hillary mentions those remarks by Obama tomorrow. I hope that she has people out all over the place setting the record straight.

    How many Senators and Governors partook of the Hope Pac Koolaid fund?

  209. i did read the Ethan post, and interesting if there is truly that connection. Did Obama say anything about the Kenya tragedy?

  210. McCaskill, Conrad and Ben Nelson all received $10,000 from Hope Fund PAC. And all of them endorsed Obama. Patrick Murphy, US House Rep. of PA, recieved $12,236 from Hope Fund PAC, the largest donation listed for the 2006 campaign cycle. He predictably endorsed Obama.

  211. yeah.. its the hopefund effect.. good call hillporters :)..

    another and most important observation, is how quickly hillary’s negatives are decreasing and she is closing in on Obama, and Obama hasnt even gone through republican attack machine.

    And the percent of respondents who:
    “Would Definitely Vote Against That Candidate in November”

    Romney 62%
    Giuliani 55%
    Huckabee 52%
    Clinton 43%
    McCain 43%
    Obama 38%

    The negatives of Mccain are high because he went through bush attack machine in primaries back in 2000. Obama hasnt even had a serious negative attack from rethugs. they are brutal, and devastating. I am sure John kerry and Al-gore have substantially more negatives than both bill and hillary on any day.

    having said that, Hillary’s negatives same time last poll were 48-37 for Obama.

  212. Also noticed in that new CNN poll that Hillary and Obama absolutely cream every Repub except McCain. They run about even with him.

  213. nice.. on the sidenote, we should keep an eye on flyers going around to california students, especially across the border, just in case obama decides to bus in students to NV caucuses too. just an observation. nothing wrong in being vigilant.

  214. terrondt ,

    There’s another MI poll conducted by Ann Selzer, also showing an overwhemling victory for Clinton in MI.

    Clinton 56
    Uncommitted 30

    I really hope this will hold up. If Clinton crosses 50, it will generate some momentum. It will generate further fear among those DC establishment. Those spineless democratic establishment lives on votes. MI is a reflection of national trend.

  215. I am nv – las vegas.

    bust day today…calling helping out, sessions etc.

    met dolores huertas and patty solis (congresswoman from CA).

    l have limited time for internet so still do not much else.

    but it is looking good!

  216. btw: in case anyone skipped over this in the previous posting:

    IF ANYONE WANTS TO “GET OUT THE VOTE”

    voiceshot.com/public/political.asp?ref=ggotv

    make HUNDREDS of calls for Hillary

  217. and in case u need to make a statement for Hillary…but don’t know how 😀

    FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS A STATEMENT TO SAY ABOUT HILLARY:
    (A little long)

    George Bush will be leaving by the end of 2008. I think a lot of us will be sighing in relief at the prospects. Under seven years of his leadership or lack thereof, we have faced an increasing national debt to China, a war where our brave men and women are fighting a misguided and corrupted battle, and where most of the nation has been dragged down, whether economically, health-wise, morally, or educationally by the policies of President Bush.
    In 2008, we are ready for a new beginning and we begin to look towards the prospects of who should and could be the next president of the United States. It is absolutely critical that we all join in on this discussion for who will lead the United States into the future for the sake of ourselves, our children, and the future of the longest standing democracy in the world. We need a president who can get us out of this mess in the middle east. We need a president who can restore the country’s economy, stop outsourcing jobs, end the foreclosures, provide healthcare to all, and work towards the improvement of this country’s education for the sake of our children, our futures, and the future that this world deserves to see.
    It is for all of these reasons that I support Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton from New York. Many candidates do speak of similar changes that she proposes, but I have found that she is the only one who has actually acted upon her ideas in both the past, and the present. When I look back at her thirty-five years of experience—whether it was in helping to establish higher healthcare and educational standards in Arkansas, or fighting for universal coverage in the White house, succeeding in getting coverage for disadvantaged children, fighting to give big corporations the taxes they have eluded, or the work she’s done in moving our country forward in progress in the senate, I know that she has fought all her life for the very progress our country needs. She is the only candidate who fights for this progress and has consistently made a difference in our lives, and the prospects that await us in the future. In my heart, I know that she is the only candidate who will move our country in the right direction.
    A lot of other candidates talk about progress, but when the time comes for them to enact on their words, they never deliver. Hillary Clinton has always worked for progress, and if we elect this woman into the white house, she will make sure that our needs, our dreams, and our goals can be achieved, as she has done throughout her long career. In this critical year, we must elect the champion of progress: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    ———————-

    btw: do not say anything foolishly bad aobut obama! talking about his horrible record is ok..but making fun of his “hussein” name or anything a republican would spew is bad! 🙁

  218. lninla, Joe kline (Hillary hater) from time magazine wrote a colmn that Obama has been in contact with authorities in kenya to solve the crisis there.

    Here is som info from gulf news:

    Obama is my cousin: Odinga
    By Mike Pflanz, Telegraph Group
    Published: January 10, 2008, 00:56

    Nairobi: Kenya’s defeated presidential challenger, Raila Odinga, has claimed to be a cousin of Barack Obama and said they had discussed his country’s post-election violence.

    Odinga, 63, said that the US senator’s father, from western Kenya’s Luo tribe, was his maternal uncle.

    “He has called me to talk about the constitutional crisis in this country despite being in the middle of the very busy New Hampshire primary,” Odinga said.

    Obama’s spokesman, Robert Gibbs, confirmed that the senator spoke to the Kenyan opposition leader on Monday afternoon for about five minutes before going into a rally in New Hampshire.

    The Democrat presidential hopeful is also understood to have spoken to President Mwai Kibaki, whose victory in the December 27 election has been widely questioned.

  219. Some right wing magazines claim that Raila Odinga has Taliban connections. I do not have any idea how true that is.

  220. Newsweek has three positive articles. I recommend those to everyone. The interview with Jon Meecham has her response to the race card thing. I think she will perhaps repeat that with Russert tomorrow as well. I like the response — it hits the right note. Somebody ought to be the grown up out there in Obama world. Also note the answer to the last question.

  221. I was just reading about the 121 Iraq and Afghanistan U.S.soldiers and veterans who have returned to the U.S. and due to trauma have committed violence – I think in a world like this, I can think of no better President than Hillary who really cares. I’ll show a little bias here, but if the media were female-dominated, these kinds of stories, Hillary walking door to door, talking to families, concerned about each and everyone’s issues, would have real impact; there is no one who would see her as disingenuous. Yet a male-dominated media is only interested in competition…I don’t see the same connection with people in Obama that Hillary has – he is good at speeches, but there is a real disconnect when I see him around real issues, real people – he seems very cold. I hope everyone and especially women sense that difference between them. Anyway, see you all tomorrow morning for MTP.

  222. outside.in/South_Reno_Reno_NV

    use http only in front of that above what they follow her everywhere in reno..thats what i see,

  223. Newt: Hillary shows courage, integrity

    By: Kenneth P. Vogel
    Jan 12, 2008 12:22 PM EST

    Newt Gingrich’s on-again, off-again adulation of Hillary Rodham Clinton appears to be back on.

    The leader of the 1994 Republican revolution — who as House speaker in the mid 1990s clashed fiercely with then-first lady Clinton and her husband, Bill Clinton — attributed her surprise victory in New Hampshire to the Democratic presidential candidate’s courage, integrity and openness.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7851.html

  224. The Time article on Obama/Odinga is extremely deceiving. It intimates that the two had no prior contact and Obama picked up the phone out of the blue to try to “save the world in his spare time.”. The fact is that Odinga hosted Obama on a visit to Kenya in 2006, and Obama spoke out in support of Odinga and his late father’s tribe the Luo. Odinga was in America this summer and met with Obama again.

    Beyond the fact that they are cousins, Odinga described Obama as a “long time friend and confidante” in a BBC interview. He said they “speak often by telephone”. The Obama campaign is much more circumspect, and will not confirm the blood ties. Odinga has served jail sentances for corruption and subversive activities in the past. He is fabulously wealthy by virtue of oil investments he made while ENERGY MINISTER under the previous Kenyan regime of his FATHER Oginga Odinga. Those deals were made with Libyan and Saudi interests.

    Anglican ministers in Kenya and HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATES have both gone on record as saying that the SLAUGHTER OF THE KIKUYU was “organized from above”. The perpetrators, mainly Luo tribesmen loyal to Odinga, “worked in shifts” keeping Kikuyu refugees locked in an Anglican church, and set it afire when they tried to break out. Many who did manage to escape the flames were hacked to death with machetes by an “organized gang of Luo men”. In another incident, a gang of Luo supporters intercepted a convoy of trucks carrying Kikuyu near the border,and threw them into a raging river. According to the drivers of the trucks, none survived.

    The Kenyan Government wants to charge high level politicians for these crimes against humanity, and the buck stops with RAILA ODINGA. Cousin and confidante to BARACK OBAMA. In addition to the dead, an estimated 300,000 Kikuyu have been driven from their homes in the western part of the country dominated by ODINGA’S LUO. Most of their homes have been burned. Odinga’s only hope for survival and avoiding spending the rest of his life in jail is to keep his supporters riled up enough either to seize power by force or be saved by international intervention in the interest of stopping bloodshed. Meanwhile the Luo continue to “swarm” the slums of Nairobi, murdering, looting, burning, and gang raping their victims.

  225. …also, Kibaki the incumbent President, and winner of the latest election WOULD NOT TAKE OBAMA’S CALL, since Obama is recognized in Kenya as a supporter of Odinga. Obama has no CREDENCE AS A MEDIATOR there, since he is not OBJECTIVE. If anything, the effect Obama has had on the conflict has been inflammatory, since he is described as “Odinga’s Stooge” and there is great resentment over the influene of Dick Morris on the election that has become so controversial.

  226. …also, the reason Obama called Odinga was to hold off on the Dick Morris initiated “Million Person March” which was scheduled for the day of the New Hampshire Primary. The Odinga/Obama blood ties had come out a couple of days earlier, and the Obama campaign was afraid of the P R possibilities of media images of carnage in the streets of Nairobi over a DISPUTED ELECTION.

  227. T4H, the article from Politico featuring Durbin is quite disturbing. Basically he’s saying “How dare we question Barack at all.”

    Durbin said, “I really think it is unfortunate to question Barack’s sincerity on the war. He has been there from the start, opposing this war.”

    YEA, OK…So flip-flopping is totally ok, as long as its from the Anointed One. What a joke. He and his entire campaign make me sick.

  228. Gladiatorstail: you are absolutely right. The critical issue for all Americans is the economy. This concern applies across the board to Latinos in Nevada, to African Americans in South Carolina, and to working class whites.

    The winds of recession is in the air, and it can have a devastating effect on working families–regardless of race–layoffs, closures, etc. Hillary has the experience , judgment and moral courage to address this issue. And she has proposed an economic package to that end.

    Meanwhile Barack Obama is playing a different game. He is busy creating a diversionary issue of race, and he is directing it against a white family with a strong civil rights record. This from a figure who claims to transcend race.

    Not for nothing was Bill Clinton called our First Black President. Not for nothing has Barack Obama been called The Great Pretender.

  229. Durbin’s remarks are rich, huh? Boo hoo, nobody should question Obama. But, it’s OK that Obama has been charging Hillary with corruption and racism all frickin’ year.

    Screw Dick Durbin.

  230. I know we dont like him, I know he is at the opposite end of the political spectrum from us, but he does understand what it takes to be a leader. Here is Newt Gingrich re. Hillary:

    After Clinton’s third-place finish in the Jan. 3 Iowa Democratic caucuses, “it would have been very easy for her to have broken, accepted defeat,” Gingrich said in a weekly podcast e-mailed to supporters.

    “Instead, starting on Saturday night, she fought back with greater and greater intensity, and she opened herself up,” Gingrich went on. “She talked as a person, without all the protection, without all the discipline, and she became more and more appealing.”

    Gingrich said that shift demonstrated “the courage to learn” and enabled the New York senator to grow “in the space of three or four days to a much more attractive, much more aggressive and much more appealing candidate.”

    As a result, he posited, New Hampshire voters who made up their minds at the last minute “were going to Sen. Clinton, were affected by her campaign, by her integrity, by her openness.

    Q: Does anyone believe Barack Obama could muster that same degree of character and courage under similar circumstances?

    A: Multiple Choice

    Yes______ No______ PRESENT_____

  231. Just got home. What’s this about a new site?

    Emjay Says:
    January 12th, 2008 at 6:06 pm BMerry Second thought…is there a way I can make it “clickable” myself?

    You might be able to set your browser to add the http:// and maybe even the www also. My Opera brower can do that, and I think so can Firefox.

    The problem with putting in the http in ones post is that then it gets delayed in a spam filter.

  232. Dick Durbin is too close to Obama to be objective. What he should be telling his friend is to stop playing the race card for political gain and start focusing on the policy issues facing the country. If he is not telling him something like that privately then he is a bigger fool and a lesser friend to Obama than I think he is.

  233. hillfans, whatever is is worth, gallup has new national numbers, hillary 45% to obama’s 33%. florida has 20 point leads for hillary over obama in ras and q polls. lookin good. this should push up that rcp average.

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