What Happened? What Happens Next?

Breaking News Update: Good Morning America today ran a story on Obama and Rezko. Patrick Fitzgerald is on the video. As readers of Big Pink know we wrote a long time ago a story on Patrick Fitzgerald destroying the Obama campaign. Watch the video HERE.

The article on ABC is called The Rezko Connection: Obama’s Achilles Heel?

For more information on basic facts about the REZKO story:

Will Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald Destroy the Obama Campaign?

The Case of the Missing State Senator

A Challenge To Big Media and Big Blogs

Obama’s $925,000 Question

Also, don’t miss our REZKO suggestions at the end of today’s article (below).


Why did Hillary Clinton win the New Hampshire primary? And (don’t miss it below) what should be done next? We’ll answer these questions.

Big Media and Big Blogs, the least qualified to do so, are trying to force feed the nation their rubbish answers as to what happened. We won’t let them. We’ll answer the question.

Here’s what happened:

According to the exit polls, more than three-quarters of New Hampshire Democratic voters watched the debate on Saturday. We here at Big Pink watched the Saturday debate too. Our reaction to the debate is on-line for all to see. 671 comments were posted on debate night. The reaction to the debate and Hillary Clinton’s quality answers are there for all to see.

What we saw on debate night was a typically engaged Hillary, giving specific answers. Hillary for instance, was the only one to mention India when discussing Pakistan – we noticed that intelligent part of her answer.

We also saw Hillary introduce a “Reality Break” to the blathering platitudes of the Obama/Edwards tag team against Hillary. Hillary was constantly introducing reality breaks to the non-stop nonsense and attacks on her by Obama/Edwards.

We also saw Hillary Clinton, in a very passionate way, defend herself. It was an amazing “moment” of reality.

We also saw Hillary Clinton speak about the economic issues facing the country and what she had done to bring health care to over 7,000 children in New Hampshire and to members of the National Guard.

We reacted enthusiastically that night. Read the comments for yourself. A typical comment was “Amazing”.

We also saw what we have seen repeatedly during this election: a nasty attacking John Edwards and a nasty piece of work by the name of Barack Obama. Obama’s “you’re likeable enough, Hillary” was a condescending nasty answer which betrayed the arrogance of the flim flam artist from Chicago. Obama for the first time gave a glimpse into what type of person he really is that night.

As we wrote, three-quarters of Democratic voters saw the same debate we did.

Immediately after the debate what did Big Media and Big Blogs say? They did not in any way describe what we saw. No. Hillary Clinton was belittled. Hillary Clinton’s excellent answers were trashed. Hillary Clinton’s moment of passion was described as “shrill”.

The three-quarters of New Hampshire voters must have been perplexed. What they saw and what Big Media and the slobs at Big Blogs described were completely dissonant. The New Hampshire voters began to see the reality of Hillary Clinton and what they were being force fed.

Hillary Clinton also began to take on Obama’s record after the debate. We wrote about Hillary Clinton Actions Vs. Barack Obama Words on Sunday.

Hillary Clinton was addressing kitchen table economic issues even as Americans watched their economic security threatened and Wall Street plunging.

By Monday New Hampshire voters saw a Fighting Democrat named Hillary Clinton. On Monday, New Hampshire voters also saw an increasingly arrogant, sure he was winningt, nasty, Barack Obama.

A major moment occurred on Monday which few but here at Big Pink understood. The Hillary Haters revealed themselves.

The major moment was when some overweight male boobs, infatuated with themselves, decided to disrupt a Hillary Clinton rally by shouting “Iron My Shirt”. We wrote about that incident and gave it the prominence it deserved. We posted the video of the goons attacking Hillary.

Women heard the “Iron My Shirt” chants. Women have heard that chant all their lives.

Hillary also had a moment of some emotion on Monday. John Edwards attacked her for it. Women saw John Edwards for what he was on Monday.

Hillary Clinton also confronted, in her typically brilliant and soft touch way, the vile Chris Matthews. The video circulated.

Hillary Clinton supporters and the brilliant Hillary Clinton organization (including Michael Whouley which we had written about weeks ago) did not wilt – we organized and fought. The Whouley New Hampshire strategy worked.

Women added it all up. The difference between what they saw at the Saturday debate and what was reported; the attacks on Hillary; the “Iron My Shirt” brigade called Big Media, Big Blogs, PINOs and Obama/Edwards.

Women realized they were witnessing a high tech gang rape.

Women fought back.

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Economic issues and the vote:

A majority of New Hampshire Democratic voters (58%) said that they were “very worried” about the economy. That was an issue that Edwards dealt with repeatedly. Yet among those Democrats who felt that way, only 17% voted for Edwards, while 41% picked Clinton and 36% picked Obama.

The Women’s vote:

Clinton won nearly half the women’s vote, compared to only one-third for Obama, who was greeted with near-messianic fervor at huge rallies throughout New Hampshire.

Single women with no children offered strong support, with an 18 percent margin. The Clinton campaign made a late push to promote her record as better than Obama’s on abortion rights.

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The Reaction to the Reaction:

Big Media reacted with shock at their exposed stupidity and promised reform.

And Obama will now undergo much more intense scrutiny from the press and the Democratic Party: Does he have what it takes? Is he the durable candidate that he appears to be? Can he put muscle behind his charismatic rhetoric?

Big Blogs, including the DailyKooks stated they were shocked and appalled by what Big Media had done to Hillary Clinton – after the fact. The Head Kook of course did not mention his and his sewer mates’ attacks on Hillary – such as the HeadKook attack on Hillary with lies about waitress tips. Now the Head Kook has outright declared he is voting for Obama.

Big Blog phonies like Josh Marshall and Huffington who pretend to be impartial while shilling for Obama also prattled about how bad Big Media is while ignoring their own bias and barely veiled sliming of Hillary Clinton.

The unkindest cut on Monday was when even the great DailyHowler waved the white flag and surrendered to Big Media.

Earlier, John Edwards endorser Katha Politt woke up and decided to unendorse John Edwards in strong, but late, language:

John Edwards just lost my vote. How dare he take cheap shots at Hillary Clinton for letting her eyes mist over (not “crying” as was widely reported) at a meeting with voters in Portsmouth NH earlier today? This is a man who has used his most private tragedies–his wife’s cancer, his son’s fatal accident — in his campaign in a way that had a woman done the same she would surely be accused of “oprahfying’ the lofty realm of politics. This is also the man who promoted himself early on as the real women’s candidate, and who has repeatedly used his likeable wife to humanize his rather slick and one-dimensional persona. Today he deployed against Hillary the oldest, dumbest canard about women: they’re too emotional to hold power. [snip]

Hillary Clinton, long criticized as cold, shows a bit of feeling and is attacked as overly emotional. It’s the latest installment of the ongoing double bind in which, if she wears a black pantsuit, she’s too masculine, and if she wears a pink shell, she’s too feminine; if she’s serious, she’s humorless, and if she laughs, she “cackles” …

It’s bad enough when the media goes after Hillary like a pack of addled lemmings. A few weeks ago, it was her wrinkles — would people vote for a visibly middle-aged woman? — today, it was her welling eyes. But Edwards is not some on-air airhead. He’s supposed to represent “change,” remember? You’d think he’d be more alert to sexist gender scripts, given that he’s been dogged by accusations of effeminacy for (oh, horrors) spending too much time and money on his hair.

The substanceless Obama campaign with nothing to offer but sticks of incense and chanting at their celebrations of idolatry reacted with their usual Chicago slime and gracelessness.

In a foolish move the first Obama campaign reaction was to label the New Hampshire vote as “racist”. Democrats, actually women Democrats, who voted in privacy were denounced as racist for voting in private against a black man. Big Media invoked “The Bradley Effect” named after L.A. Mayor Tom Bradley who many years ago polls showed a winner but election results turned against him.

The Obama incense burners were arguing against their own case. All along Obama was selling “HOPE” and a belief that America was no longer racist and willing to vote for an African-American for president. Obama forgot to add “qualified” to the sentence. If the Obama campaign’s churlish accusation of racial bigotry is accurate, then isn’t Obama selling a false hope? The Obama incense burners were in too much disarray to decide which argument to employ.

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Hillary has to continue on the offensive and talk about the future. The issues at stake are too important and Hillary needs to fight for us fearlessly. She will be the best president for an America that desperately needs a president. The next president must be ready on the first day to alter the course of history. America is on a dangerous course and needs someone to take charge and save the country immediately. There is no time for on the job training in the White House.

Here is what we suggest:

1. The next primary is Michigan. Hillary should declare that the Michigan delegation to the Democratic convention should be seated. Hillary should demand that all candidates agree that the Democrats of Michigan should not be disenfranchised. Make Michigan a big deal.

2. Same thing as above regarding Florida. Force Obama and Edwards to say whether the Democrats of Michigan and Florida should be disenfranchised – NOW – Before the Michigan and Florida primaries.

Let the Democrats of Michigan and Florida know who is fighting for them and their rights to representation. New Hampshire and Iowa also violated the calendar the DNC set up and have not been punished by having their right to representation at the Democratic convention abolished. Restore the rights of Michigan and Florida Democrats.

The Michigan primary is on January 15 so this declaration and challenge should be issued immediately.

[Why do we suggest the above? Once the voting starts the race becomes about acquiring the delegates that will vote to elect the nominee at the Democratic convention. Hillary needs to secure the massive delegations from Michigan and Florida. The way to do that is to fight for them. Obama, via John Conyers, will run an advertising campaign to try to get the Michigan voters to vote noncommitted, not for Hillary, in their primary and deprive Hillary of a Michigan victory. Hillary has to fight for the votes in Michigan and Florida and demonstrate that Obama has not and will not support the voters of Michigan and Florida.]

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What should be done: Debates:

1. There has not been 1 single debate to discuss issues of importance to women. We have had youth oriented debates and many debates addressing African-American issues held in African-American venues. We have had debates held in Obama’s Chicago and in South Carolina with predominately African-American audiences. In December we had predominately Chicago audiences in 2 debates before racial minority audiences in one day.

The next 2 scheduled debates are sponsored by the Caucus of African-American Nevadans and the Congressional Black caucus.

We have had only 1 gay forum, but no debate.

Again, we have had not 1 single debate to discuss issues of specific importance to women. Not one single debate.

The Hillary campaign can insist that this oversight be corrected. The next debates before the February 5 primaries should be about issues specifically concerning women; a debate also on gay issues where we can discuss the Obama gay bashing tour. We should also have a debate to specifically discuss health care and Obama’s abandonment of 15 million Americans with his NOT universal health care plan. We should also have a debate to discuss issues of particular importance to young voters.

The Hillary campaign should insist that these communities be represented. If the other candidates do not agree to these debates the Hillary campaign should advertise on news outlets for the respective communities and inform these communities that she is fighting for them and the other candidates are not.

2. The next debate in Nevada on January 15 will be hosted by MSNBC. If Chris Matthews or Tim Russert are moderating these debates Hillary should refuse to attend. Let Matthews and Russert and Obama and Edwards attack her all they want but Hillary should make it clear she will no longer put up with their misogyny. At the very least, before the debate the campaign should preempt the “Iron My Shirt” brigade by demonstrating how soft they have been on Obama and how relentlessly unfair they have been towards Hillary Clinton. The campaign can research all the disgusting things MSNBC has aired and make it clear in specific terms how disgusting MSNBC has been.

Hillary instead of wasting her time with Matthews and Russert can devote her time to interviews to discuss issues important to Michigan which votes on that day. Hillary can also spend the days before January 15 campaigning in Nevada. Let the boys play with themselves.

3. There are 2 other debates on January 21 and January 31 hosted by CNN which Hillary should attend. The first one is in South Carolina the second in Los Angeles.

[Why do we suggest the above? Hillary does very well in debates and in discussing issues. But none of the debates have actually concerned Hillary’s core constituency. The debates have to be turned to Democrats and Democratic issues such as the economy. Big Media has been allowed to decide the topics at the debates instead of topics Democrats want discussed. Let’s go on offense regarding the debate schedule and topics.]

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What Happens Next: The Media; Obama

We will have more on this issue in a later post.

In short, Hillary confronting Chris Matthews on his sick and twisted obsession with Bill Clinton’s penis and Hillary Clinton’s – well everything – and his blatent misogyny and “horny” talk and Jabba the Hut vileness was a smart move. We want to see more of a tough attitude towards the media. We know common political wisdom is that it is not good to pick fights with people who “buy ink by the barrel” but this is a particularly good moment to teach the American people about what their news outlets have become: propaganda outlets for the Big Media Party and in particular the Big Media Party candidate du jour Barack Obama.

As to Obama, continue to expose his record. In South Carolina ask the question to African-Americans: what has Obama ever done for you? Where has Obama been all these many years? Where has Obama been while Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of all Americans, particularly African-Americans.

Discuss how Obama abandoned his African-American constituents in Chicago to unheated apartments while getting millions of dollars to the slumlord who is Obama’s friend. DISCUSS REZKO.

We’ll have more. DISCUSS REZKO.


415 thoughts on “What Happened? What Happens Next?

  1. Great post, admin. I got as far as Daily Howler and took an email detour. This is what I sent:

    Well, Bob,

    How does it feel to have been suckered in by the same Big Media you have claimed for so long to have railed against? Just like the rest of your idiotic liberal blogosphere brethren, you wrote Hillary Clinton off at the first opportunity. Haven’t you learned anything? A presidential campaign is a marathon. You stopped at the first water bottle check-in, panting and out of breath. Shame on you!

  2. great post as usual admin. if obama gets to nasty bring up rezko. my guess they have that little thing ready to pounce. if edwards and obama pulls that buddy system again she should turn the tables on them for it. michigan may yet still be good for her despite the lack of serious candidates on the ballot.

  3. btw admin, i know im a little late but BRAVO on the hillary/tweety video. i was laughin my*ss off with the barry white love theme song becuase it had flirtatious overtones and tension. the sly grin at the end by tweety was priceless. OMG, i swore tweety was checkin her out as she walked away too. sly devil tweety is.lol. i still don’t like the jerk.

  4. Good post admin. Heavy stuff. Spot on regarding the debates. To use the process around the debates as a vehicle for real change is an excellent idea.

    If it comes to a boycott of the MSNBC debate – wouldn’t it be Hillaryous to see a debate with only Obama and Edwards? What would they do? Play “kiss and tell” with Matthews perhaps?

    It’s a fundamentally sound idea to redirect the focus in every way possible to questions and issues that are important to women. This is especially well timed as the economy now apparently is taking a turn for the worse.

    If Hillary is to take on Big Media heads on, according to these outlines above, it would at the very same time probably be wise to continue the sort of more accessible approach to reporters that Hillary recently displayed in New Hampshire; divide and conquer, so to speak. If she’s going to war against Matthews et al she will still need channels to bring out the message, twisted and distorted as it becomes.

  5. This is going to sound nuts but Dick Morris, of all people, had an interesting observation last night on Hillary’s support with single women showing up in NH but not Iowa. He thinks that because the Iowa caucuses were at a specific time and required you to be there for a time and because single women didn’t want to leave their children with unknown babysitters set up by the campaigns they didn’t come out to vote for her. This wasn’t an issue in NH because vote was throughout the day–I’m assuming he is saying they could fit voting into their schedule. He must also be assuming these women were voters leaning towards Clinton but not the diehards as those people would have found someone to watch their kids as they were definite caucus goers.

    I realized this could just be a crazy theory as Morris has proven many times that he is a dingbat but it caught my attention. so I thought I’d pass it along for discussion.

  6. Here’s a site that’s a good source for serious thoughtful researched AA criticism of BO on a great many issues.


    Obama and gay-basher, also criticism of his chapel speech
    Donnie McClurkin? Obama appeared publicly with him in an attempt to win over Black religious voters.

    “One of the most alarming things about Barack Obama’s March 4th 2007 speech at the legendary Brown Chapel AME in Selma, Alabama was the Senator’s recurrent self-reference. Sometimes it almost sounded as if Obama thought the essential purpose of the famous 1965 Selma Voting rights March (1) – formally commemorated each year at the Brown church – was to put the Great Barockstar on the national stage.”

  7. GUYS DID YOU SEE ABC GMA THIS MORNING? REZKO WAS ONE OF THE TOP STORIES (Within the first 5 minutes)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  8. What happened on GMA? What was said? Rezko? The Rezko from the Forbidden Zone?

    BTW, AP is reporting John Kerry is endorsing Obama – John Kerry is a day late on this one, again.

  9. Nope, I couldn’t believe my eyes! There should be an online print version (if not video) of this story on ABC News site soon.

  10. morris is a bitter, hateful, and scorned sob. he was called out by allan colmes of all people on his kooky perdictions on hillary’s political career that turned out to be false time and time again. hell, it was his fault he got caught by the star barking and on all fours with that call girl during the 1996 dem convention. he is still bitter to this day.

  11. john kerry. oh well, if he had not run such a lousy race in 2004 we’d be supporting his reelection. admin is right, why endorse him after the nh primary? makes no sense but then again he made no sense by putting his foot in his mouth in 2006 destroying what little chance he had running this year.

  12. saw the video, i hope for once timmy and chris”obsessed with hillary”mathews hit him hard on rezko. but i maybe asking for too much.

  13. For those asking what we can do (let’s mostly ignore the Kerry story as it mostly hurts Edwards):

    Let’s get this Rezko story out along with the link to our Patrick Fitzgerald story.


    Link to ABC video:


    UPDATE: and let’s not forget the freezing Obama constitutents and Obama’s preference for the slumlord (as outlined in today’s article):


  14. We’re posting this again for emphasis. This is a big breakthrough in Big Media coverage which may help a great deal to expose Obama:

    For those asking what we can do (let’s mostly ignore the Kerry story as it mostly hurts Edwards):

    Let’s get this Rezko story out along with the link to our Patrick Fitzgerald story.


    Link to ABC video:


    UPDATE: and let’s not forget the freezing Obama constitutents and Obama’s preference for the slumlord (as outlined in today’s article):


  15. Thanks DemHawk.

    Let’s get this story out. If anyone posts at news blogs link to it and our stories on Rezko. Here is the article:

    The Rezko Connection: Obama’s Achilles Heel?

    In sharp contrast to his tough talk about ethics reform in government, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., approached a well-known Illinois political fixer under active federal investigation, Antoin “Tony” Rezko, for “advice” as he sought to find a way to buy a house shortly after being elected to the United States Senate.

    The parcel included an adjacent lot which Obama told the Chicago Tribune he could not afford because “it was already a stretch to buy the house.”

    On the same day Obama closed on his house, Rezko’s wife bought the adjacent empty lot, meeting the condition of the seller who wanted to sell both properties at the same time.

    Rezko had been widely reported to be under investigation by the U.S. attorney and the FBI at the time Obama contacted him and has since been indicted on corruption charges by a federal grand jury in a case that prosecutors say involves bribes, kickbacks and “efforts to illegally obtain millions of dollars.”

    This week, a federal judge in Chicago ordered the Rezko trial to begin Feb. 25.

    Obama maintains his relationship with Rezko was “above board and legal” but has admitted bad judgment, calling his decision to involve Rezko “a bone-headed mistake.”

    Rezko’s behind-the-scenes connection in the Obama house deal became public as Rezko revealed personal financial details as he sought to post bail.

    While Rezko’s wife paid the full asking price for the land, Obama paid $300,000 under the asking price for the house. The house sold for $1,650,000 and the price Rezko’s wife paid for the land was $625,000.

  16. This is our update with links to our most pertinent Rezko stories:

    Breaking News Update: Good Morning America today ran a story on Obama and Rezko. Patrick Fitzgerald is on the video. As readers of Big Pink know we wrote a long time ago a story on Patrick Fitzgerald destroying the Obama campaign. Watch the video HERE.

    The article on ABC is called The Rezko Connection: Obama’s Achilles Heel?

    For more information on basic facts about the REZKO story:

    Will Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald Destroy the Obama Campaign?

    The Case of the Missing State Senator

    A Challenge To Big Media and Big Blogs

    Obama’s $925,000 Question

    Also, don’t miss our REZKO suggestions at the end of today’s article (below).

  17. I’m sorry but I just don’t think this Rezco business is very interesting. Hillary has to win by being the best candidate. I don’t think this sort of stuff will have much effect.

  18. mj, fine if you do not consider it interesting. But you are wrong if you think this will not have much effect. Read the ABC news headline. It is an Achilles heel. Obama is now a knight in shining armor. He is a knight in shining armor because no one knows his real history. He has never been vetted. The Republicans will destory him on this story. Obama abandoned his own constitutents in order to get more money from his slumlord friend Rezko.

    Imagine if it was Hillary that had this relationship to Rezko.

  19. Thanks B. Merryfield. It is a good story on Taylor Marsh and begins to unearth the Obama Chicago story. Obama talked yesterday about how he would show Hillary the side of Chicago politics he understands. This is a big story and the first time a national news network has provided a window into what Bill Clinton described as a “fairy tale”. This is a Brothers Grimm nightmare fairy tale.

  20. mj, BO has not been conssitent with his REZCO stoty. The question is not about REZCO it is about BO telling the truth. He has come up with different stories. According to NY times:

    Mr. Obama has portrayed Mr. Rezko as a one-time fund-raiser whom he had occasionally seen socially. But interviews with more than a dozen political and business associates suggest that the two men were closer than the senator has indicated.

    Mr. Obama turned to Mr. Rezko for help at several important junctures. Records show that when Mr. Obama needed cash in the waning days of his losing 2000 Congressional campaign, Mr. Rezko rounded up thousands of dollars from business contacts. In 2003, Mr. Rezko helped Mr. Obama expand his fund-raising for the Senate primary by being host of a dinner at his Mediterranean-style home for 150 people, including some whose names have since come up in the influence scandal.

    And when Mr. Obama and his wife, Michelle, bought a house in 2005, Mr. Rezko stepped in again. Even though his finances were deteriorating, Mr. Rezko arranged for his wife to buy an adjacent lot, and she later sold the Obamas a 10-foot-wide strip of land that expanded their yard.

    The land sale occurred after it had been reported that Mr. Rezko was under federal investigation. That awkward fact prompted Mr. Obama, who has cast himself as largely free from the normal influences of politics, to express regret over what he called his own bad judgment.

  21. mj, I’m not counting on it doing much, either, but if it pokes even a few holes in his holier-than-thou aura, I’m not complaining. BTW, mj, welcome back! 🙂

    As for Kerry’s endorsement, whoop de do. Bill Clinton came back early from quadruple bypass surgery to campaign for Kerry in ’04, and this is how Kerry repays him. All this does is paint Obama an as establishment candidate. In other words, he’s trying to run on the inevitability thing Hillary did before Iowa, touting polls and endorsements, etc. And we all know how that worked for her.

    I’m very comfortable with her being the underdog, and so is she.

  22. i agree with admin., it may or may not mean much but it is owed to the american people to see what sort of fraud this guy is. his above it all, im pure and everybody else is corrupt is old and tired. if big media does not get it out then we will. at least abc started talking about it. 1st time in months.

  23. kerry’s endorsement is sure to drop BO’s polls by 5-10%. He would be called the establishment candidate.

  24. clintondem99, That’s what I said. The one endorsement that would really have a positive impact in the Dem race would be Gore’s, and he’s smartly staying out of it.

  25. kerry-“i was for edwards in 2004 before i was against him in 2008.” lol. look hillfans, we can’t get every endorsement but still all these guys that support a empty suit is mindboggling. i guess they want to hang onto what is “in” now. gore and harkin got burned in 2004 with dean. this will be the same deal.

  26. clintondem99 ,another sad and tragic story about a father who threw his kids over a bridge in the water. i forgot wich state.

  27. BO talks about Hillary’s judgement what about his:

    The land sale occurred after it had been reported that Mr. Rezko was under federal investigation. That awkward fact prompted Mr. Obama, who has cast himself as largely free from the normal influences of politics, to express regret over what he called his own bad judgment

  28. DemHawk, I don’t know that answer. Looking.

    Meanwhile, Andy Martin raises an interesting question — where ARE BHO’s white relatives?


  29. Forget about Kerry. I listened off and on to the Laura Ingrahm show and she was talking about how everyone is caught up in the rage of change and Obama. She said just what is that ‘change’? She said he hasn’t specified anything.
    She replayed Donna Brazile going off on Bill Clinton over his comments and she said, ‘..as an African American I find that depressing’..Laura said, so what, no one can criticize ‘the one’. She said,you republicans who don’t like Clinton, wake up because if no one criticizes him and hegets through, we may not be able tos top him. She also said that the Hillary campaigners are going to be asking when they go out door to dorr, ‘where’s the beef? where is he on substance?

    I think that all Hillary needs is a little breathing room and to talk up relentlessly about the contracts between them. Keep questioning’where’s the beef’.
    Hopefully, although I don’t count on it 100%, other folks will start asking the same questions.

  30. From the same Andy Martin (Repub) article just posted:

    “A couple of weeks ago Obama played the race card and said barriers were higher for him. That’s malarkey. No white man with his skimpy resume would be considered a serious candidate for president. It is precisely and only because Obama had a black father than he is even sitting in the senate. White guilt has propelled him into the senate. Let’s see if white guilt can propel him out of the senate and into the White House.”


  31. Based on what I saw in the inditment, They may still be investigating him, or the grand jury didn’t here the request or turned it down. I’m guessing that the prosecutor is going after easy fish first…

  32. Our challenge to Big Media and Big Blogs stands (links at the update).

    The Obama incense burners always try to conflate the fact that there are 2 Obama Rezko deals related to the big house Obama bought.

    ABC news is discussing the first land deal for the house. Obama asked the owner to split the house and the side yard because he would buy the house at a discount and Rezko (wife) would buy the side yard at full price. Rezko bought the yard on the same day Obama bought the house. Obama could not buy the house without Rezko – a type of in-kind-contribution. Obama got tens of millions of dollars to Rezko in government money.

    And people think there is no quid pro quo?

  33. Paula, the CNN story is earlier. Obama had denied he ever did anything for Rezko (other than get him tens of millions in government money for a business restoring tenements that Rezko had zero experience in – you try getting a loan from the Small Business Administration to invest in a business you have no experience in), at the time it turned out that in fact Obama had also written letters as state senator to get Rezko millions more.

  34. Andy Martin seeks criminal probe of Barack Obama, 11/16/06

    Uhm, Andy Martin is basically nuts and a compulsive lawsuit filer.

  35. terrondt, Obama is trying to get back some momentum with a slew of endorsements. There is a question as to why announce the endorsements now and not closer to the next primaries. Obama must have known the ABC story was going to hit.

    Why did ABC wait until after New Hampshire and after the lobbyist story?

  36. Andy Martin: It is precisely and only because Obama had a black father than he is even sitting in the senate.

    and obviously a racist. Why is this guy getting quoted here like he matters … at all?

  37. terrondt, Good question. I think the original plan was to roll out these endorsements after the expected blowout in NH as a way to put more nails in Hillary’s coffin. Well, that didn’t work, so now they’re probably meant to re-establish momentum for Obama AND serve as a distraction from Rezko and the embarrassing setback in NH.

  38. I agree with HLR; I don’t want to see wingnut comments like that posted here. Obama is a charismatic speaker with immense political skills. Saying he’s in the Senate because he’s black is like Tweety saying Hillary is only a viable presidential candidate because Bill got caught cheating.

  39. BTW, I do believe that Carville is now working with Hillary but not as paid staff. he was in Washington last night and I know that Hillary was also there to meet with advisers. he was going toe to toe with Axelrod. She needs more advocates going on the media for her like this.

    Major Garrett was also on Ingraham show. He said that Hillary has 100% name recognition and is one of the most famous and most beseiged woman out there. Having said that, he said some of the campaigns plans is to make her more accessible. He said that he got 2 interviews with Hillary in the space of two days after trying for 3wks to get one.

    Hiopeuflly, she opens herself up and does more media which she does seem to be doing. Andrea Mitchell was on this morning MessMSNBC and she said that she was travelling with Clinton yesterday.

    BTW, I’m so glad that Pat Buchannan, Roger Simon and a few others have largely debunked this ‘Bradley Affect’.

  40. so kerry is endorsing obama.. hmm. i just got a fundraising call from obama campaign, when i said no, i’m for hillary, the next step was the caller saying obama didn’t take any corporate money at all for his campaign and we need that kind of change so he wasn’t beholden to special interests (paraphrase), and then they tried to convince me on grounds it’s important to support all our dem candidates.

    now, i don’t know for sure how they got my number because i have never given to obama or signed up anywhere, but.. i bet they got it from friends of john kerry, i gave them money in 04 so they call me every now and then and they knew how much to ask for.. i am what you call a pretty small dollar donor but they make it out like you are at one of the highest levels :). after all i guess the dccc or dscc or dlcc wouldn’t give obama their lists.

  41. HLR and Paula, now ask yourselves, could a woman with BHO’s credentials be running for president and taken seriously? Andy Martin’s logic and tastefulness may be off but his reference to a lack of credentials is not, which was the point of referencing it .. not in regards to any racial bias.

  42. Has anyone noticed Obama is now saying “Change is Hard” and all that stuff. I believe it was Senator Clinton who months ago said You have to “Work hard for Change”. Now who is stealing Campaign lines?

  43. Obama campaign wishes luck to Scarsdale teen inventor with same slogan

    SCARSDALE -A teen inventor and entrepreneur from Scarsdale registered the trademark “Change Rocks” to protect his jewelry and accessories business from rivals. Now he’s facing competition over the name from an unlikely source: the presidential campaign of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama.

    Stefan Doyno picked the name “Change Rocks” about three years ago when he started a business to market his patent-pending invention of rings with interchangeable stones. He’s since come out with pendants and is planning a line of T-shirts.

    Now 19 and a first-year student at SUNY-Buffalo, Doyno learned by Googling his company’s name that Obama’s camp used the “Change Rocks” trademark for a concert and campaign fundraiser on Dec. 7 in Chicago.

    “I was shocked. I flipped out kind of because I was like, ‘Oh no, someone else is using it,’ ” he said.

    He called his lawyers, and they send a letter on Dec. 18 to Obama’s national campaign manager, David Plouffe, that points out that the name Change Rocks is a registered U.S. trademark (No. 3,266,236) and that if Obama’s campaign sells T-shirts or other campaign memorabilia with the slogan, it could constitute an infringement.

    Obama has had at least one other “Change Rocks” concert, in Des Moines, Iowa, on Dec. 29, according to a poster on the Iowa headquarters Web site.

    So far neither the teen nor his lawyers have heard back from Obama’s campaign.

    Reached via e-mail by The Journal News this afternoon, Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said no materials or memorabilia with the Change Rocks logo have been sold by the campaign.

    “We wish (Doyno) the best of luck with his business and we invite him to join our growing grassroots team in New York,” she wrote.

    Psaki’s response is a bit more lukewarm than Doyno’s lawyers seemed to be hoping for. In the letter to the campaign, the lawyers suggested it might be in Obama’s interests to work out a closer deal with Doyno – especially given that his rival, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, lives just 14 miles north of Scarsdale in Chappaqua.

    “Westchester County, as you are obviously aware, is heavily Democratic and we have no doubt that Mr. Obama – despite Ms. Clinton’s residence here – enjoys considerable support in the area. Mr. Doyno is far more interested in exploring possible synergies between Mr. Obama’s use of Change Rocks as a slogan or theme and the Change Rocks mark and products than he is in preventing Mr. Obama from using the mark in connection with the campaign,” the letter states.

    The letter was sent with attachments documenting Doyno’s achievements, including a personal letter from Hillary Clinton congratulating the teen on winning a scholarship and the National Federation of Independent Business 2007 Young Entrepreneur Award.

    “We thought Obama would recognize the trademark when he realized another Democrat was giving this inventor praise,” said Howard N. Aronson, managing partner at the Scarsdale intellectual property firm Lackenbach Siegel.

    Doyno, when he heard about the campaign’s reaction, said: “As long they don’t put the name on any T-shirts or anything, that’s fine.”

  44. by the way about REZKO:

    if anyone doubts it is legit story, remember when des moines register asked hometown papers of the candidates to contribute columns about them? here they are


    here is the end of the obama piece, by clarence page of chicago tribune:

    He tends to raise frowns only when his heroic vision of clean government clashes with the company he keeps. Some of his local endorsements have appeared to be based less on principle than on political expediency.

    Obama also has yet to live down his biggest embarrassment, a 2005 land deal with a politically connected Chicago developer, Tony Rezko, later indicted for paying kickbacks. Obama was not accused of wrongdoing, but he admitted that the appearance of impropriety was a “boneheaded” move.

    The drip, drip of further disclosures has led us to advise Obama in an editorial to reveal all that his own campaign’s investigation of the Rezko relationship found – before somebody else leaks it for him.

  45. rjk1957, so, let me get this right — the teen wants to franchise his trademark and product through BHO because Hillary lives near to him while using Hillary’s recognition of his achievement as proof of its value to BHO?

    I call that BS.

  46. I think intially they wanted him to stop using it and appears now to want make big profit off it. Obama’s camp will just give him the finger, like they did when it was pointed out that they were violating NH law with those robo-calls. Their response was we are following federal law, which in hindsight was a big mistake in independent minded NH.

  47. Not only did President Clinton campaign for Kerry, but he did numerous fundraisers for him, and offered to go to any state he wanted him to go to on his behalf.


  48. For those who aren’t interested in a dull serious money thing, how about Obama being accused of lying by:

    Black Chamber of Commerce

    Neighborhood organization that got his opponents thrown off the ballot leaving him unopposed.
    This came up after politico had contrasted his current positions on guns etc with positions described in a questionnaire he gave the group in 1996.
    He denied knowledge of the questionnaire, saying it had been written by a staffer, then disputed group members’ memories of a meeting with him.
    At some point in this I seem to recall that he or his staff had said that his past and current positions had been examined and found consistent.

    I’ve been pushing this for a while because one of the opponents they knocked off the ballot for him was Alice Palmer, an ‘elder stateswoman’ activist who had encouraged him in the first place. Complicated, but he didn’t just run against her, he got her knocked off and ‘disgraced’ with accusations of fraud. (And this, said the ChiTrib profile, was admired and made his reputation in Chicago politics.)

    I’ve posted links for these several places, and most of them are at my Livejournal.

    http://www.blackagendareport.com is unhappy with him about a lot of things….

  49. Hillarylandrocks, sorry, but white guilt does exist. Where do you think the movie “Crash” came from??? BTW- so does Jungle Fever. I hang out in campus bars. Trust me. The shit these little white sorority girls say about him would make a sailor blush.

    I’m glad the Rezco story is finally getting played. I hope Charlie Gibson does 8 mins on it tonight and Nightline covers it, too.

    As for the Kerry endorsement, fuck ’em. That guy allowed himself to get swiftboated 4 years ago. Stood there like a crying little girl and said, “That’s not nice. I won’t dignify it with a response.” He was a laughing stock for it and now more than 3900 soldiers are dead. So much for him being a warrior.

    Also, note: he did NOT support Edwards. That tells me a couple of things. First, he doesn’t think Edwards is viable. Two, if Edwards had a shot at being viable it’d be with Kerry’s endorsement but he doesn’t like Breck Girl enough throw him a rope. Three, he has really, really bad taste and judgment. No wonder most Dems held their nose in voting for him. Frankly, I only did it as an ABB vote and was unhappy about it.

    I think Hillary’s got a long, hard fight. I think when it is over. She will win. It will be delegate count and many, many tireless nights. She needs to get her ass here BTW. Okie’s are screaming for a visit from someone.

    Oh, and CNN is still floating the Bloomberg story. I think the MSM keeps doing so to intimidate Clinton supporters. Frankly, I think the FCC should yank their f-ing licenses for what they do to candidates in elections. They’re supposed to report the story. Not be the story. Stupid fat fuckers.

  50. i bet the kerry endorsement was a done deal before new hampshire expecting that obama would have a huge tidal wave of momentum. otherwise how could obama be calling kerry’s donors for money this quickly afterward? (i bet that’s what is happening.) well, kerry doesn’t seem to have much luck with timing does he.

  51. It’s not white guilt. It’s that white men feel good about themselves support the african american man. Most of them don’t have african american male friends. This is different to them and it makes them feel good about themselves. Supporting a white woman doesn’t give these guys the same feeling because their wives, mothers, etc. are white women. It’s not special to them, and they have mixed feelings towards these women. The other part of it is like liberal college football fans. They like to feel like they are part of something bigger than themselves. it’s not guilt. It’s much more selfish.

  52. Reading through Ben Smith’s (hi Ben) post on Rezko, came across this comment by Lee at 11:06 am. I highlighted the significant part — people kept calling BHO’s office .. hence another reason for “lost” records. Wonder if anyone will take the time to find those tenants who placed the calls?

    “The Rezko story on GMA was way, way, way too soft. Barely scratched the surface. The fact is that Rezko screwed over all sorts of low-income (largely non-white) people in Chicago … people who called Obama’s office for help time and time agaion — and got no help from him. Instead of helping his disadvatanged constiuents, those who needed him most, Obama got into bed with a crook to feather his own nest. There needs to be a *lot* more digging and real reporting on this. The goods are there; the only question is whether the media will come out of its trance and take a close look at it.


  53. remember that Obama had a meeting with Bloomberg about 3-4 weeks ago- have to wonder what that was all about. It’s good to see Patrick Fitzerald on the Rezko case – American’s most recognizable G-man and I hope that this picks up traction – after the Iowa and NH wins, I’m still suspicious that the press won’t still get carried away with the anointed one.

    Also, did you all see Karl Rove’s piece in WSJ today: But rather than sharpen and build on this message of contrast and change, Mr. Obama chose soaring rhetoric and inspirational rallies. While his speeches galvanized true believers at his events, his words were neither filling nor sustaining for New Hampshire Democrats concerned about the Clintons and looking for a substantive alternative.

    And Mr. Obama, in his own way, is often as calculating as Mrs. Clinton. For example, he was the only candidate, Democratic or Republican, to use a teleprompter to deliver his Iowa and New Hampshire election-night speeches. It gave his speeches a quality and clarity that other candidates, speaking from notes or the heart, failed to achieve. But what he gained in polish, he lost in connection.

  54. Kerry’s a real loyal democrat all right…


    Published: June 14, 2004

    As former President Bill Clinton prepares for a barrage of publicity and a cross-country tour to promote his memoirs, his political advisers are consulting with the Democratic Party and Senator John Kerry’s campaign about ways that Mr. Clinton can lend a political hand in the process.

    Mr. Clinton received an advance of more than $10 million to write his memoirs, ”My Life,” and aides to the former president say his first priority now is to sell as many books as possible.

    But they also say that whenever his book-selling obligations allow, Mr. Clinton is eager to pitch in for the party by plugging Mr. Kerry and subtly putting down Republicans at book-selling events, and by speaking at fund-raisers or campaign stops on his tour.

    He is also going out of his way not to overshadow Mr. Kerry. For example, Democratic Party officials said Mr. Clinton was scheduled to speak on the first night of the party’s convention in Boston, but executives of Knopf, which is publishing ”My Life,” said that to keep the spotlight on Mr. Kerry, he did not plan to hold a book signing or other event while in town.

    ”He wants to make sure that there is no way that anything he does is competing with or intruding on the attention paid to Senator Kerry,” Steve Richetti, Mr. Clinton’s top political adviser, said. ”We have met with the campaign so that they can be aware of what we are doing and where we are going. He wants to be helpful in any way that he is asked. He knows John Kerry and he likes him a lot and thinks he would be a great president. At book events, I think he will be asked about and he will be able to talk about John Kerry in a very thoughtful and compelling way.”

    The rest of the article (From 2004) is linked here;


  55. mj, if you could have seen how those HIRED Obamabots acted on our downtown streets on Tuesday morning, you’d think that there was something a whole lot more bizarre than that going on. They actually ran down the sidewalk hollaring and hooting past Hillary’s campaign office, pushed the door in, and yelled something about Hillary (fortunately we were so surprised we didn’t hear what). They were gone so quickly that it would have been a waste of time to have called the police (besides, Hillary’s office is already on the local walking tour guide since the hostage situation). These same totally wild and out-of-control idiots carried on for a couple hours at a time. This exceeds any reasonable behavior related to supporting a candidate.

    BHO’s campaign workers used to stand just outside the storefront glass window on their smoke breaks and stared in at Hillary’s campaign workers. The Obamabots are a very peculiar lot.

  56. We could flood Kerry’s campaign office with phones calls letting him no how unloyal he is being. I just checked his campaign site and no mention of endorsement yet.

  57. According to the AP story one of the reasons why kerry did not endorse Hillary:

    While Kerry has been close to Clinton’s husband, the former president, he was incensed in 2006 when she chided him after Kerry suggested that people who don’t go to school “get stuck in Iraq.” Aides said Kerry meant to jab at Bush and say “get us stuck in Iraq,” and that he didn’t appreciate Clinton piling onto the criticism he was already getting for the remark.

  58. OkieAtty: Hillarylandrocks, sorry, but white guilt does exist. Where do you think the movie “Crash” came from??? BTW- so does Jungle Fever. I hang out in campus bars. Trust me. The shit these little white sorority girls say about him would make a sailor blush.

    LOL, are you seriously making the claim that he falls short as compared to other senators, making his way only due to white guilt?

    OK, let’s look at Ted Kennedy.

    Law School – UVA

    In 1960, John Kennedy became President of the United States, and vacated his Massachusetts Senate seat. Ted would not be eligible to fill Jack’s vacant Senate seat until February 22, 1962, when he would turn thirty. His father therefore persuaded the Massachusetts governor to name a Kennedy family friend Benjamin A. Smith II to fill out Jack’s term, keeping the seat available for Ted. In 1962, Kennedy was elected to the Senate from Massachusetts in a special election.

    Give me a break.

  59. I’m with you, OkieAtty. It will be a long, tough fight but I think she’ll win. One thing the NH victory taught me is not to get so tied up in every single campaign development or poll; that’s why when I read about Kerry endorsing Obama I didn’t even blink an eye.

    I will say, though, that Hillary will not forget who sided with whom in this primary. Kerry is not a politically smart guy, to put it mildly. Staying neutral would’ve made much more sense.

  60. CD99, that sounds more like a lame excuse than a reasonable explanation. Or, as some would say, poor little John got his feelings hurt and plans to nurse that wound to the grave while eking out his revenge by helping an underqualified candidate to beat her.


  61. Kerry is an ass, he gets mad at Hillary over that yet the moron let th charges by the swift boaters dominate the news for 2 weeks before denying. God I wish I could take my vote back..

  62. so, has any news organization actually gone to chicago to interview some of obama’s constituents in that rezko housing? what do they have to say about getting help from their state senator?

  63. another_reader, it would seem logical to me that Rezko has records of who lived in his buildings when. It is possible that Fitzgerald may have that info as part of his investigation, but out of 11 buildings it is also likely that some of those same people are still living there or in the neighborhood. There are so many ways to find them if you really wanted to do so. Just old Polk reverse address directories found at most major libraries will provide names.

  64. HillaryLandRocks, I dunno whose side you are on, but I am starting to suspect it’s not nearly as liberal as some of us. Liberals don’t attack TKwhas long been one of our own and has advanced more legislation than Bwak ever faked reading in law school.

    And for the record, I did not say Bwak got his Senate seat bc of white guilt. His district is predominantly minority. That wouldn’t make sense. He got his financial backing bc he sold out his constituency (see- Rezco). He got his seat virtually by default. He abused the elction laws, kneecapped a benefactor (sorta like he’s doing to Hillary now the diloyal little fucker) and ran against a guy who many thinks is certifiable and who wasn’t even an IL resident. That’s HOW he got his Sentae seat.

    Now whether he is qualified is a different matter. I can’t say much sinc my state elected Inhofe and Cobur, both very famous idiots. But at least they don’t vote present, hold subcommittee meetings, are open about their finances and have significant legislation advanced by them. So…hmmm…. maybe he isn’t qualified. Well, in comparison to the two nitwits OK has.

  65. I am waiting for my email from Kerry telling supporters of his endorsement, to cancel my subscription to his emails and the reasons why I am canceling.

  66. Sugar: I thought about the issue that you raised last night about your friend, and her feeling that you should be for Obama because he is black.

    It seems to me the best way to deal with that is to ask her the following question: do you consider yourself an AA woman, or a woman who happens to be AA?

    If you asked that question to Martin Luther King I believe he would say he was a man who was black, but if you asked it to Malcolm X obviously say he was a black man.

    That is the issue at stake in South Carolina, where the center of gravity of the campaign will be AA women. A black woman will vote for Obama because he is black. A woman who is black will compare the positions of Hillary vs. Obama, and ask herself what does each one promise, and does that individual have the experience, judgement and moral courage to deliver what is promised.

    Feel free to disagree if you think I am wrong, but it seems to me that is the way the issue should be framed to someone like your friend.

  67. another reader, no one has ever spoken to those tenants. When Obama was asked about them freezing, Obama answered “The question is Should I have known… my answer is I was not told.” Obama should have known and the likelihood that no one called his office or that Obama who worked on the deals for those buildings, presumably performing due diligence on the deals – Obama should have known.

    Of course Rezko did not have the money to provide heat but Rezko did have money to donate to Obama at the very time – according to the Sun-Times.

    Hillary should have a press conference right in front of those buildings and say “Obama is never there when you need him.”

  68. You’ve got to remember that Kerry was not really the favored choice of most democrats. The Dean candidacy was worrisome because people thought he couldn’t beat Bush. So they thought a war hero would be an ideal candidate, never mind that he is an aloof, elite, condescending small-minded politician (he was so furious and obsessed with Dean that he was attacking him like crazy in 2004). All this is common knowledge. Even if he had endorsed Clinton, believe me it would not have helped in any significant way. Nobody really cares about that loser any more.

    Terrondt gets the best line – “I was for John Edwards before I was against him”. Lol !!

  69. Judges: Anti-Clinton Film Is Advertising

    By MATT APUZZO – 19 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The early reviews are in, and three federal judges appeared in agreement Wednesday that a movie lambasting Hillary Clinton seemed an awful lot like a 90-minute campaign advertisement.

    Citizens United, a conservative advocacy group, is challenging the nation’s campaign finance laws, which require disclaimers on political advertisements and restrict when they can be broadcast. The group argues “Hillary: The Movie” and related television advertisements are not political advertising even though the New York senator is in the presidential race.

    Attorney James Bopp argued that they should be considered “issue-oriented” speech because viewers aren’t urged to vote for or against the Democrat.

    “What’s the issue?” asked Judge A. Raymond Randolph, a federal appeals judge sitting on a mixed panel to review the case.

    “That Hillary Clinton is a European Socialist,” Bopp replied. “That is an issue.”

    “Which has nothing to do with her campaign?” U.S District Judge Royce C. Lamberth interjected.

    “Not specifically, no,” Bopp replied.

    “Once you say, ‘Hillary Clinton is a European Socialist,’ aren’t you saying vote against her?”

    Bopp disagreed because the movie did not use the word “vote.”

    “Oh, that’s ridic…,” Lamberth said, trailing off and ending the line of questioning.

    Under campaign finance laws, Citizens United would be required to disclose its funding for the ads. It would also have to disclose donors and pay the costs of airing it on cable television from a political fund.

    The movie is scheduled for two screenings in theaters, once each in California and Washington. It is also being sold on DVD. Neither of those methods are regulated under campaign laws. The advertisements, however, are scheduled to run during the peak presidential primary season and would be regulated.

    Bopp, who successfully led a challenge to one aspect of the campaign finance system last year, compared the film to television news programs “Frontline,” “Nova,” and “60 Minutes.” That prompted Lamberth to laugh out loud from the bench.

    “You can’t compare this to ’60 Minutes,'” the judge said. “Did you read this transcript?”

    The movie features commentary from conservative pundits, some of whom specifically say Clinton is not fit to be the nation’s commander in chief.

    One ad begins with a narrator saying, “First, a kind word about Hillary Clinton.” Conservative commentator Ann Coulter says, “Looks good in a pant suit,” to which the narrator adds, “Now, a movie about everything else.”

    Bopp received the greatest skepticism from Randolph and Lamberth, the panel’s two conservative judges. U.S. District Judge Richard W. Roberts, a nominee of president Clinton, was more focused on the legal test Bopp was asking the judges to conduct.


  70. Kerry is an elitist so it is hardly surprising that he would go for Obama. Birds of a feather. I think it is redundant, a one day headline, by the guy who way ahead in the polls and lost the White House to Bush. A ghost of Christmases past.

  71. Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul, Obama looked into Kerry’s eyes and saw his own sad future…..

  72. Looking at Obama and Kerry it reminds me of the joke:

    A horse walks into a bar. Bartender says, What’s with the long face?…”

  73. The Left Coaster has the Rezko story up. Like most Rezko stories it misunderstands and misstates some key facts (the yard and the house were a single parcel of land until Obama had the owner split the parcel into 2) but on the whole it is a good story.


    Sen. Barack Obama☼ likes to brag that part of his toughness stems from being a part of Chicago politics. Here in Chicago, however, his relationship with Tony Rezko, a heavy hitter in real estate, notorious back room operator, and wire mail fraud fixer is becoming more and more of a problem as Rezko’s time in court has arrived. Antonin “Tony” Rezko faces extortion and fraud charges, which include shakedown allegations involving an Illinois pension fund.

    While Obama turned down Rezko’s offer of a job back in 1991, he ended up in a group of real estate deals involving the developer anyway. He accepted a position at the law firm then known as Davis Miner & Barnhill. There he represented community groups that partnered with a developer in getting city and state housing rehabilitation loans. The developer was Rezko.

    This relationship has always been big news here. There’s even chatter that Rezko paid Obama’s way through law school, and the Chicago Sun-Times reported that Obama provided an internship for a buddy of Rezko’s. That same article mentions a shake down of a Hollywood producer for $1.5 million in campaign contributions to Gov. Blagojevich.

    Tony Rezko stories go on and on within the always exciting stories of shady Chicago politics. They’re not going away, as the ABC-TV story above indicates. For years they have tarnished Obama’s squeaky-clean image in Illinois.

    As for the presidential campaign, Rezko has donated $120,000 to Obama, with the Senator taking $44,000 of that and giving it to charity. Hillary Clinton has certainly had her fair share of shady connections allegations, we’ll see if this local story has any legs nationally for Obama.

  74. Mornin’ yall, Great post admin. I read it early this mornin when I first got up.

    Okay so I just wrote Senator Kerry a letter cause he wrote me one. It went somethin’ like this: my great grandmothers fought for the right to vote. My mama fought alongside Senator Clinton for X, Y and Z. When it comes to choosing a President, I am goin’ with my mama’s endorsement. By the way, “shame on you.”

    You’re right WB as usual. what I though about when I saw Kerry’s name was “bones’ men” “All here” Well, bonesmen can have him.

  75. I called John Kerry’s office — 202-224-2742 — to tell him that as a hard-working supporter, I questioned his apparent view that Obama could unite the country because……and the woman said thank you and hung up on me! I called back and they picked up the phone and immediately hung up again.

    I was going to say that I thought he might want to check how many democrats will not vote for Obama and he might want to investigate the Rezko matter before it comes to trial next month, before he endorsed him. I wasn’t going to say that he threw his running mate Edwards and ally Clinton under the bus for no principled reason.

    I was reminded that just a few weeks ago an old friend told me that she didn’t like Obama just like she hadn’t liked Kerry. She didn’t trust either. I think this makes Kerry look very small.

    BTW, Kerry could have cleared up the Bush comment he made by explaining it. He never did.
    He just said it was a joke. He never clearly defended the Swift Boat thing either.

  76. What’s with the lashing out at everyone who doesn’t support us NOW?
    This is the PRIMARY process. Gore Endorsed Dean. What happened when Dean dropped out?
    It’s okay to vent, but in politics, most if not all alliances are temporary and borne of self-interest, so it’s always best not to burn one’s bridges.
    Kerry, Gore, TK, PRESIDENT CLINTON will ALL support and campaign for the democratic nominee.

    Kerry’s endorsement isn’t really that important to the campaign. It may have had some influence in NH, but it won’t matter to NV, SC, etc, so it really isn’t worth getting all worked up over. Endorsements are good to have but, except for the additional super-delegate, Kerry’s will have little impact on the coming contests.

    Miller’s endorsement, due to his relationship with Pelosi, is more important than Kerry’s, as Kerry isn’t exactly universally popular in his own party.

  77. Realist,
    When Hillary is relying on CT, MA, NJ and NY his endorsement does matter. She should wins those states handily, but they are not winner takes all (delegates) so margin of victory in every state does matter when doing delegate math.

  78. OkieAtty: Liberals don’t attack TK

    Some attack … I copied straight out of wiki.

    I am starting to suspect it’s not nearly as liberal as some of us

    My feelings are not hurt — really, I am just amused. If I’ve ruffled some feathers by pointing out that a respected senator attained his seat with his father’s help, then mission accomplished. It provides the necessary perspective as to why I find the following

    It is precisely and only because Obama had a black father than he is even sitting in the senate.

    not worthy of this site.

  79. well to me its not the endorsement .. it is the fact that the clintons helped him out in a big way, with bill really getting out there when he was not even able. the loyalty factor

  80. Jon Stewart had a fascinating clip last night of Chris Matthews bloviating again. Then they cut back to Jon lying on his desk. Jon then said “That man is crazy.”

    HLR – It was Matthews who said that Hillary’s seat was because her husband had a sexual escapade.
    He couldn’t, however, explain her re-election with more of the vote.

    Perhaps we should all send E-mails to Kerry saying that he must have investigated Obama before endorsing him so could he explain the Rezko matter to us.

  81. Thanks for the information on this Rezko story admin, because I hadn’t even heard about it. I’ll be tuning in tonight to see if the MSM gives the story due dilligence during the Prime Time hours. BHO is a big liar and a fraud and so many people are being misled it’s really pitiful.

    wbboei, you make a very good point here:

    “Sugar: I thought about the issue that you raised last night about your friend, and her feeling that you should be for Obama because he is black.

    It seems to me the best way to deal with that is to ask her the following question: do you consider yourself an AA woman, or a woman who happens to be AA?”

    But, the thing is. When I have spoken to my family and friends about this aspect of the entire deal, it’s like I’m talking to some residents of Jonestown. I mean, you wouldn’t believe some of the comments I’ve heard and the absolute refusal to acknowledge the realities of this election. I’m getting weary, but not enough to throw in my hand. BHO will never get my vote. Thank God my mother is still on the fence and I’m pretty sure she’ll see things my way. My mom is no dummy and she’s not one for bandwagons.

  82. Agree Freckles, imagine if ABC reruns the Rezko story right after the Kerry story. Maybe we should add Kerry to our challenge to Big Blogs and Big Media.

    BTW, good luck with Hillary in Nevada tomorrow.

  83. SUGAR, Obama is the candidate of the elite. I could really feel that in NH. I’ve never seen such a bifercated election. The working class neighborhoods were bread and butter issues focused and really behind Hillary. There was also a streak of working class feminism. The rich neighborhoods seemed disdainful of Hillary, were really behind Obama, and it was all based on this sort of above it all posture. Do you think Hillary would be wise to go to SC and hold some townhalls with AA voters?

  84. HLR, the Wikipedia is, like BHO, not well enough vetted and extremely unreliable. When you follow the link to the 1962 TIME story and read all the way to the last page (page 8), you find the following note.

    “In December 1960, Democratic Governor Foster Furcolo appointed Benjamin A. Smith II, 46, a Harvard roommate of the President’s and a former mayor of Gloucester, to fill the seat until the 1962 election. Last week the President named Smith to be his representative at the October independence celebration of the young African nation of Uganda.”

    Now, one could draw one’s own conclusion from this statement but it is NOT the same as what you found cited in the Wikipedia article and was not quoted from the original article.

    Backtracking sources, even ones taken from articles, comes up with a slightly different story. If you take the time to read the whole article, I think that you will find that Teddy Kennedy was extremely well-qualified for the job .. unlike BHO.

    No comparison.


  85. hillary should not give up on aa women. working women. older women. women who can appreciate her for what she is. do not concede any women vote. women want to support her and if shell show she will work hard for every one of their votes in every state. she can’t be at it 24/7 but getting up close and personal with women is her key

    this is going to turn into a woman vs a man ,,, and the more hillary shows to women the better

  86. Good to hear from you Sugar. Stick with Shirley Chisolm and Carol Moseley Braun. A good rule is ‘dance with the one who brung ya’. The Clintons have been around and helped many – stick with tried and true friends.

    As to Rezko, a lot of people don’t understand or have never heard the Rezko story. It is big. Imagine if Hillary did nothing in NY to help African-Americans living in tenements owned by a best bud she helped buy the tenements for AND the slumlord did not provide heat in a particularly freezing winter but gave donations to the politician AND the slumlord essentially donated $925,000 towards the purchase of a big house for her.

    Well that is what Obama did – screw African-American poor people and help out the slumlord, then get tens of millions of dollars funnelled to the slumlord.

    Chicago politics.

  87. “Do you think Hillary would be wise to go to SC and hold some townhalls with AA voters?”

    I think so. I think that with her newfound voice, she would really be able to clue them in on just how much she is prepared to work for everyone, including AA voters. I would suggest she hold them in places like Aiken, which is an often forgotten area of the state when it comes down to elections because it’s so close to the Georgia border, but there is a University of South Carolina-Aiken campus there and a large number of working class and professional AA voters. A great mixture. I think they would be appreciative of the fact that they were even remembered and I think she’d pick up a lot of votes there. She might even be able to get some of the Georgia voters to come over for the gathering. I’ve never been to a townhall meeting. Do you have to be a resident to attend?

  88. mj, That’s a great point. I work with a number of Dems, and Obama is more popular among them than Hillary, though I’m pretty sure they’d vote for her in the GE. They’re all college-educated, BTW.

  89. I grew up in a typical NH working class Republican household where even the mention of “Kennedy” would send my father into spasms and fits. There are people who have the same reaction to “Kerry” today. As a 14 year old, I thought JFK would win the election and I was right .. and I was the only one in my school or anywhere else in town, I think, who thought so.

    BHO is no JFK or RFK (his son should know, he’s backing Hillary) and by no stretch of the imagination is there any comparison.

  90. “I’ve never been to a townhall meeting. Do you have to be a resident to attend?” Nope. I attended a couple in NH and I’m not from there. If you attend you can participate. I’m going to shoot the Clinton camp an email with your suggestion.

  91. SUGAR Says:

    January 10th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
    I mean, would Georgia residents be able to come over the border to attend?


  92. Well, hopefully they will consider holding a townhall there because I really think they’d be able to make some strides among the AA voters there.

  93. Rush talking about Obama not being some clean cut guy. Brought up Alice Palmer, land deal etc. Said he has a history of taking out women, said this take over was brutal.

    However, he said I know there is dirt there and I’m sure that Clinton Inc will find it and release it at just the right time.


  94. Sugar, one teeny reason why you get so many responses when you post is that it is so much fun typing your name. 🙂 Great name.

    Don’t be surprised if your Aiken idea gets taken up.

  95. rush knows he is not squeaky clean, the wheels are gonna come off that bandwagon. hillary may be better served to let someone else bring him down. its starting to peel away . tsunami ahead.

  96. I don’t get this college educated contingent…I do get that Hillary supports the middle and working classes. She helps poor people because she cares about them. As the Rezko example illustrates “talk is cheap” when it comes to helping poor people with housing.

  97. admin, that’s funny! When I first decided to use that name, I was thinking, “People are going to think, this girl is nuts.”

    I really hope that they will go to Aiken. I’m telling you, it would really let some of the air out the BHO hot air balloon in that part of the state.

  98. It’s not really “college educated”. Lot’s of college educated voters support Hillary. I’m talking specifically about cultural elites. People who have several degress, have a lot of money, and have often benefitted in the short term, from Bush’s econmic policies.

  99. Good idea, Sugar, I know South Carolina and that would be a good place to go. There are also lots of community colleges in the state where you could target middle class/working class/nontraditional students.

  100. I just checked and it looks like BHO was there in October and Hill was there in November. She definitely needs to hit that area again.

  101. Nothing is going to help Hillary as much as mingling with the crowds and taking questions and show her relaxed, witty and knowledgeable persona. By all accounts, she is an incredibly warm person when you meet her up close.

  102. Sen. Tim Johnson (D-S.D.) endorses BHO:

    Johnson says he’s backing Barack Obama because he’s bi-partisan and wants to bridge differences between the two parties.


  103. When Hill goes to SC, she should meet up with Jacqueline Jackson (Mrs. Jesse) who, I think, is or was down there campaigning for Hillary.

    I like my idea so much, I want to repeat it. Send an e-mail, call, text (I still don’t know what that it or if it’s possible) John Kerry with the simple message:

    I’m sure you examined Obama’s record before you endorsed him, so could you please explain the Rezko matter to us?

  104. Re rezko, i am hust beginning to understand what really went on. When this is reported on it is going to have to be explained in the most simple terms, ie, BHO benefitted…. on hand fed the other…

    Also, after reading Roves wall st journal piece…the gop has alot of info on THE SAINT and it is not pretty…can’t prove it..just my feeling
    Read that the dabates really moved people in NH. The pundits saw it differently that most in NH. I know that in my own AA family 3 watched 2 brothers and 1 sister. One brother and my sister saw HRC take control as my brother said. My sister said she thought that HRC decided not to take any crap. My younger bro who supports BHO said he thought she was bitchy…but yesterday he was dismayed that BHOs team is now playing the race card..says its a sure loser because it may get him 95% of the black vote and little else which leaves him right where he is at..in the senate but would tear people apart…whatever that means..I just told him there is still time to come over to a winner..Ca absentee ballots went out. My parents voted for HRC..

  105. Ok, they’ve got 2 senators today and maybe one or two reps. Guess thats what they meant when it was announced that they were going to substantially close the superdelegate gap (of approx 106 )!! .

  106. Sometimes I crack myself up. Just left this comment:

    “To all you Hillary Haters, keep it up and you’ll get your worst nightmare, President Hillary Rodham Clinton and her all female cabinet. Is Nancy Pellosi a good choice for VP, you think?”

  107. I am somewhat disturbed by venom towards other Dem candidates on this site. Let’s stick with the facts. If, God forbid, someone else should get the nomination, Democrats should rally behind the person no matter what. We can’t have another Republican administration.

    Just the fact that a woman AND and an African-American actually have a chance as POTUS is awesome. Hillary, however, is much better qualified!

  108. 1/10/2008
    Hillary Gains 4 New SC Endorsements Following Iowa Caucus
    Palmetto State Leaders for Biden and Dodd Getting Behind Hillary
    COLUMBIA, SC – Four South Carolina leaders previously having backed Senator Joe Biden or Senator Chris Dodd’s presidential campaigns today announced their support of Hillary Clinton, calling her the best candidate of the contenders to make change real for the country.

    State Rep. Jimmy Bales, previously supporting Biden;
    Former State Rep. Joe E. Brown, previously supporting Dodd;
    Retired Richland County Treasurer Tom Elliot, previously supporting Biden;
    Florence County Democratic Party Executive Committee Member JoEtta Chewning
    “Of all the candidates left, Hillary’s who I trust most to make the changes we need in our country. She’s got the experience to fix this mess our country is internationally and she can go to work on it from day one,” Bales, a retired educator who represents part of Richland County in the House, said.

    “This isn’t a question of whether the candidate is black or white, man or woman. It’s a question of who can best do the job we need done and hit the ground running,” Brown, former chair of the South Carolina Legislative Black Caucus, said.

    The endorsements are part of a growing momentum in South Carolina seen by the Clinton campaign.

    “We have a strong campaign in South Carolina and it’s ratcheting up as the election draws closer,” Hillary Campaign State Director Kelly Adams said. “People are hungry for change and someone who can back that change up with experience; that’s Hillary.”

  109. bridge the differences between the parties???

    Pro-life??? staying in Iraq???? tax breaks for the wealthy??? torture??? no habeas corpus??? no health care reform??? no minimum wage??? no privacy? etc etc

    which of these do we want to bridge?

    no torture on tuesdays and thursdays? abortions for the rich? closing one wing of Guantanamo? health care for anyone named Natalie? wiretaps only on the poor or foreign-born?

    Is that the bi-partisan approach we are all yearning for??

  110. Kerry in an email pitch is saying about Obama. “…like him, I also lived abroad as a young man..” .

    John Kerry thinks kids of age 6-10 are young men. Live abroad and you are qualified to be president. Yeah, really ! The United States Foreign Service must have a lot of potential presidents, I bet.

  111. I’m afraid that after 44 years as a strong Democrat and election worker in many capacities, I don’t think that I can vote for Obama. Of course, I can’t say never because I don’t know who his opposition will be but right now, the best I can do is, for the first time, not vote.

  112. Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek also claimed Obama’s experience living abroad as a kid made him the better candidate. I respect FZ, but that has NOTHING to do with presidential qualifications.

  113. Another reason HuffPo is on my ignore list. A blogger there says Hillary didn’t win, Obedwards did since their combined votes beat her. See, it’s not a three-way race, it’s really Hillary versus the Obedwards tag team.


  114. I wish I could vote for president. I can’t, because I live in Puerto Rico. But I really hope that Obama supporters rally behind Hillary when she wins the nomination.

  115. Let me go on record right now — I will never vote for BHO and I’d have a very tough time forcing myself to vote for JRE. If Hillary is not our nominee, I’ll have to sit out the first election since I turned 18.

  116. Trust Huffpo to be the outlet for publishing such asinine posts. Arianna is such a rotten person – Drudge’s soulmate, thats what she is.

  117. B Merry,

    I can truly understand why someone who has been immersed actively in the campaign would feel like you do. I’m sure i would feel the same. I said what i did as an outsider, looking at the U.S.

  118. Isn’t it ironic that Edwards was ready to be a “heartbeat away from the presidency” 4 years ago and is not qualified to be President now according to Kerry. That brings into question his own judgement.

  119. Anyone else catch Axelrod vs Carville last night on Larry King? I love James Carville. I’d also be curious to know how many times Axelrod stuttered during the interview. He was out of his league.

  120. so this abc story was on in the am-but will it run on the nightly news too. ross usually will do a series-is this is part of a series on obama? as kerry-im thrilled he didnt endorse hillary. we grassroots dems cannot stand him is is highly unpopular with dems nationally. he is a good man but is also a brahman, comes across arrogrant and makes speech screw ups. he lost the election we should have never lost in 04, then when blacks were disenfranchised in ohio he did nothing. good for obama-he has a despised dem, a failure who could have easily won the whitehouse. moving on…

  121. I am on that vaunted Kerry mailing list, and have regularly helped the good senator. Here was my response to the gushing email I received today, asking for money and invoking MLK:

    All I can say is that I have never been so disappointed in you, Senator. For shame. I will be redoubling my donations to and efforts for Senator Clinton’s campaign.

    I would not vote for that capitulating hypocritical Elmer Gantry Chicago shyster were he the last “Democrat” in the country. If he wins my party’s nomination I will, for the very first time in my life, vote against a Democratic presidential ticket.

    I have already alerted the DNC and now I tell you: not one dime or one iota of support until my party itself stands up against the rampant sexism and nasty misogyny prevalent in this primary, aided and abetted and tacitly approved by the two male frontrunners.

    MLK? Don’t make me ill. This calculating pretender could not hold a candle to the Reverend King. A good orator does not a hero make. He ran for president 2 years out of the state senate? Has not bothered to serve anything but his own political interests since in Washington? And this is worthy of the endorsement of one of our party’s leading lights? Because he TALKS pretty? Are you on drugs, Senator? Have you seen the challenges facing the next president?

    Shame on you. Mark my words, there is going to be hell to pay and a serious party rift when all is said and done. Loyal Democratic women are very very angry, indeed.

  122. When I worked in the movie studios, the sexism was rampant. When I worked for Democratic candidates, it was pervasive. Men got the paying jobs and the titles, women did the work. We took it because the Dems were for civil rights and lots of other good things. Finally, women ran and things got better.

    We now have a woman candidate that can have an historic effect on women’s rights and issues and I have reached my limit. I will not agree to go to the back of the bus again for ethnic reasons. I am happy that another black man is running but I have never voted against someone because s/he is black and I won’t vote for someone just because of that. I know of no other reason to vote for Obama and I know several that prevent me from voting for him. Women should stand up and refuse to accept that every man is more qualified than they.

    If you’ve been passed over for a man, stand up.
    If you’ve been patted on the head with “don;t worry your pretty little head”, stand up.
    If you’ve been ripped off at a car repair shop or by a salesman or a boyfriend, stand up.
    If you’ve noticed that medical research is for men, stand up.
    If you think that women’s issues are not less important, and wonder why not one moment of one debate has addressed them, stand up.

    Hillary is the smartest, the warmest, and the best able to be president. She is also the least likely to be rolled by the right wing. She is my choice and I enthusiastically support her.

  123. Where have all the polls gone? The past week and a half everyone and their mother were coming out with new polls daily. They must all still be in shock.

  124. freckles, great post. I agree. Women can CHANGE this country, THIS year. We can be the change needed. Put a woman in who is qualified to do the hard work ahead.

  125. I’ve been looking for coverage of the history-making first presidential primary win by a WOMAN, but I can’t find any. Why is that?

  126. My husband was so peeved about Kerry that he even picked up the phone and told his staffer off. He said, it’s about the loyalty plus Kerry endorsed the most lighest weight we’ve ever had running. For me it is not about color or gender, it’s about who is more qualified and who can lead this country through some very, very tough times ahead. I’ve already said I’d not vote for bambi even at risk of another repug getting in .. i feel he’d really not be any better.

  127. hey lima beans, i completely agree with that article about hillary’s voice. reminds me of me learning the same thing in social settings. for a long time, we strong women are taught to suck it up and don’t back down and always do your best without emotion. we have to….b/c well, you have to survive. but it does seem unnatural for a woman to be like that all the time. anyway, i liked the article.

  128. January 10, 2008
    Unexpected wrinkle for Clinton in Michigan

    WASHINGTON (CNN) – Democratic leaders in Michigan are urging supporters of John Edwards and Barack Obama, who are not on the ballot in the state, to vote “uncommitted” in the January 15 primary – a move that could create an unexpected headache for Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

    Clinton is the only major presidential candidate who did not pull her name from the Michigan ballot after the national party penalized the state for scheduling the vote in mid-January, rather than later in the cycle.

    The national party voted to strip Michigan of delegates as a penalty, but party leaders in the electoral-vote rich state have expressed confidence that they will be seated at the convention.

    None of the candidates, including Clinton, will be campaigning here, and none have authorized write-in campaigns – which means that, under state law, their supporters cannot cast write-in votes for any of them.

    But if at least 15 percent of the voters in a congressional district opt for the “uncommitted” option rather than voting for Clinton, delegates not bound to any candidate could attend the national convention – a development that could allow Edwards or Obama supporters to play a role in candidate selection there.

    In this cycle, more than in recent campaigns, the delegate count may prove important. Narrow losses – which still add to a candidate’s delegate total – could keep more than one presidential hopeful in contention. “For the first time since 1988, this is a delegate race,” Clinton aide Howard Wolfson told reporters Wednesday.

    A new group, Detroiters for Uncommitted Voters, is launching a grassroots campaign to promote the “uncommitted” option. The Detroit News reported Thursday that Democratic Rep. John Conyers and his wife, Detroit City Councilwoman Monica Conyers, said they will launch ads calling for “uncommitted” votes if there is no other way to register support for Barack Obama.

    The option is also being endorsed by Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, and the state’s Democratic Party Chair Mark Brewer as a way for Democrats who do not support Clinton to participate in the vote.

    Neither man has endorsed a presidential candidate.

  129. Realist, I’ve seen no coverage of it. They are still in shell shock from the polls. America knows it though, just like NH brought it home for the most qualified candidate.

    An email blitz to DanAbrams at Msnbc might do the job. He is not a Washington pundit and seems to be trying to figure out himself what the heck is going on with BM

    If all would want to try to ask Dan to address we could all send email, I’d be willing.

  130. what turds in Michigan. Hillary needs a massive machine there to point out that bambi and edwards had the same opportunity she did and THEY chose not to fool with Michigan.

    by turds I don’t mean the people of Michigan.

  131. Realist, they don’t want to give Hillary ANY positive news. Simple as that. We need to get something going to have somebody address it. I personally think Abrams might be a starting point…..even Bill O’Reilly.

  132. If surrogates can do this, the DNC should strip candidates of delegates as punishment for incoraging it. Dean does not have the balls to do that though. I wish I knew of an organization that supports Hillary urging supporters to vote for her since she did not abandon Michigan like Edwards and Obama did by having thier names taken off the ballot I would make a contribution to air commercials criticizing them for not having the balls to stand up to the DNC.

  133. Thanks Texan4Hillary. We think the suggestions are on target. We suspect everything gets read and considered. The more people read here the more the message gets out. The Michigan situation in particular is a real opportunity and a danger as well.

    As to Rezko and ABC, it is possible that the Brian Ross package will be rebroadcast on the national news tonight. Also this will inspire the few journalists that still remain to look into the matter some more. The campaign needs to discuss Rezko. We need to get the story out.

  134. Berkely Vox, your article got attention. There have been others all over the place discussing the story. We have not read the comments you received yet. We know the Obama people are trying to say “old news” except most people know nothing of this. Brian Ross is a beginning. The closer to trail date the worse it will get. The danger is that the story comes out AFTER February 5. We think Hillary should do a presser right outside the tenements Obama got for Rezko and that had no heat.

  135. ok admin- i will ask my team hillar folks to forward the suggestions. it should be about rezko. he must be hit on this. also admin-im concerned about ted kennedy now backing obama. obama is claiming that the union backing in nv will give him that state-but im pretty sure hillary is evry popular there esp w latinos. i guess i need to give nv a call to help

  136. HillaryLandRocks, I was only addressing the “white guilt” idea, not how or why Obama got his seat. Nor was I supporting racism.

    As for Kerry, my e-mail response was “Lose my e-mail address. You choose a liar and a fraud. I’d vote for Huckabee before voting for him.”

    And that is 10000000% true. With Huckabee at least there’d be gridlock. Obama is dangerous. Cults of personality always are. Look at Bush, O’Reilley, Hitler….. There’s a disconnect with TV bred voters and what is needed to sustain a democracy. Moryon Downey used to call it “pablum puke” and I think it applies. They want civility? Well, I have an answer for why: they’re a bunch of pussies. They want peace? Well, here’s another answer why: they don’t know how to fight. These are the same whiney assholes that allowed Kerry to be the nominee last time against a certifable ‘tard. AND HE LOST. I mean, how bad do you have to be to lose to an effin’ ‘tard? In this day and age if folks can’t discern fact from fiction, truth from propaganda, then we deserve to fail as a society and a democracy. We cannot protect the world and extend the virtues of self-goverance and individual freedom when we are too lazy to shut off the TV and read a goddamn book and see it’s a fucking fairy tale.

  137. not Moryon- Morton. jeebus the typing gods hate me today….

    And I did mean “choose’ as in the active sense because he is actively endorsing Bwak not just tossing his name out ther on a letter.

  138. Okay, this is my “I’m really pissed off” post of the day. Today, I’ve seen complaints that Obama lost due to NH’s electronic voting machines and because NH is a state of racists. I’ve seen at HuffPo that actually Obedwards won because the combined total for BHO and JRE beat Hillary. But now we get that Obama lost because Hillary’s name was in 4th place down from the top of the ballot and Obama’s was in 4th place up from the bottom of the ballot, so therefore there was a 3% statistical advantage given to Hillary.

    The saddest part of this is that it is normally the Repugs who steal elections or try to rig them. Now we have our Dems trying to find a way to explain why one of their own should have lost.

    Now I understand what it was BillC was saying over a week ago in his speech in Dover, NH, when he said that winning the nomination was going to be the hard part, after that not so much.


  139. OkieAtty, we are sick to death of wimps too. Obama and Kerry windsurfing and eating arugula is not our vision of fighting Democrats.

    Obama in the White House would be a Dem sellout. Why oh why do the same Naderites and PINOs who are unhappy with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi for supposedly being too concilliatory towards Bush and not fighting hard enough against Republicans turn around and support the weak, concilliating slumlord enabling Rezko buddy?

    Texan4Hillary, Kennedy would lose all self-respect if he endorsed Obama who called Kennedy old and spineless.

  140. If the Stanford professor is right about the voting machines and ballot order, why didn’t Biden stage an upset? His name was first. It’s silly to say the voters found Clinton’s name and couldn’t find the others.

  141. Admin, didn’t Obama diss Kerry, too? Last week, he talked about how we should nominate people who aren’t electable like in 2000 and 2004.

    Quite frankly, for a guy who is running on hope and change and dissing the D.C. establishment, is it to his benefit to have the penultimate insider/establishment figure endorsing him?

    B Merryfield, I was saying the same thing last night. Obama supporters ungracious, despicable folks. After Hillary lost in IA, we all sulked and talked amongst ourselves. Hillary didn’t send people out accusing Iowans of sexism. It was Obama’s moment and we grudgingly

    After Hillary wins NH, it’s accusations of voters fraud, Diebold and racism.

  142. BMerry, the stolen votes thing is hogwash. The machines I saw on every single news shot were optical scanners. Optical scanners are the scantron type machines. Complete the line with a marker, push it in teh machine. You get a green light and a beep which means it’s good, or you get a groan and a red and you re-do it. We have them here and they rock. Very few problems. Ever. And hand counting (which is very, very rare) is easy bc there is a paper trail.

    Admin, the problem with our party is it started out as being for working class folks. I’m an atty, sure, but I’m blue-collar in every regard. My family, my background, my student loans, my own work history (where I actually worked in factories on the floor throwing 40 lb boxes in 120 heat)…I’m working class and proud of it. Now- our party is infilitrated with these do-gooder asshole left-overs from teh 60’s wwho were nothing more than rich kids slumming and feeling guilty about their own laziness because mommy and daddy paid for their degrees at Harvard. These are the Bradley/Kerry/Obama dickheads who have never fought for a damn thing. They know how to “politic” but they don’t have any real conviction borne from struggle.

    I wish I were a delegate this year (I’m gonna try like hell) because I promise if I’m in Denver I will bitch slap everyone of those phony, bougie assholes and their little pure-blood DINO dogs, too! (cackle, cackle, cackle…)

  143. u are giht on kennedy. i would love him to back hillary-they have more in common. he has known her a very long time.

  144. OMG- I was looking at my long neglected blog and saw this from January last year right when Hillary got in:

    “14. At this point, the Democratic race is between Edwards and Clinton. Obama is a flash in the pan. And he has weird lips. They’re like mauve or something. He says lot of nice things, but he hasn’t the experience at this point. He reminds me of this guy named Chad from my freshman year at college- a bit premature.”


  145. I also e-mailed Kerry and asked him to take my name off his list. His Obama e-mail was nauseating, to say the least.

  146. Hey y’all. Cool feature I discovered on Firebox (a type of browser for the PC inept). If you highlight and rightclick on incomplete or inactive URL’s (like the mydd one at 4:37 pm), there is a “search Web for…” option. Click it and it will open a new window with the site.

    Totally sweet!

  147. HLR is right on this. The qualifications for getting TO THE SENATE have been more than met by BO. I do think that “liberal white guilt” may have some impact on the elites overlooking his lack of adequate experience for president (he lets them feel good about themselves, and falsely think racism is dead and buried so they won’t have to face those problems anymore) . But he more than met the qualification bar for the US Senate.

  148. Again, it’s not guilt. It’s that it makes these mostly white affluent men feel good about themselves to support the african american man. Let’s face it, Hillary reminds these guys of their wives, x wives, and mothers. It’s not so feel good for them. It’s a selfish pleasure. Not guilt.

  149. Just called Kerry’s office. They seem exasperated taking the call bitching about the endorsement. I was very nice and didn’t tell them to shove it you know where.

  150. MYDD is pretty funny. I just saw somebody posted the national Rasmussen numbers which have Hillary up by 1 as evidence his “surge” continued in NH. Um, the race drew even a week ago because of what happened in Iowa.

  151. kerry is a traitor to america’s blacks. when the gop pulled vote supression n ohio he did nothing to address the issue. many blacks didnt get to vote in 04 bc of gop supression. and kerry has never doen a thing to address this issue. rfk jr has written much about ohio in 04. rfk jr has sued the vote machine companies. kerry has no standing in the black community. he has never connected with people. never. thank goodness he did not back hillary.

  152. Okay- I read that mydd story. Utter bullshit. Handcounts only occur in any state btw- only if- ONLY IF- an election is contested which means filing a formal complaint. You pay a fee. You have to choose an area, precinct, county, ward, whole state, etc.. The fee goes up or down accordingly. You have to state a reason- most common is “mathematical uncretainty” or gross discrepancies in the ballot result and sign-in sheets. A hearing is held, the recount happens if approved and even then it takes weeks depending on the sample size.

    That guy is a fucking tin-foil-hat-wearing-dickhead and I’d appreciate someone telling him since I don’t have an acct there. I FUCKING DO ELECTION FRAUD CASES. He has no GD idea of what he’s spewing forth like the wisdom of fucking Moses.

    Fucking dumbasses make elections harder than they should be.

    BTW- please tell him to get off Dennis’ UFO. The radiation is getting to him obviously.

  153. OkieAtty, that diary at mydd has been posted by a known Hillary obsessed hater who has zilch credibility. We actually give him importance by linking to his posts. the guy is a nutcase.

  154. filbertsf, recall we said if Kennedy endorsed BO after being called spineless he would lose his self-respect. You are right that BO said those things about Kerry. Guess what Kerry lost today.

  155. dt- I just get mad with folk talking out their ass about procedure because it confuses and confudles the masses. That in turn leads to negative impressions about Hillary and lower voter turnout.

  156. The more all these nonsensical sore loser stories about “fraud” and “racism” in NH get play, the more its going to move pissed off folks into her camp.

  157. dereklarsson, the ass who wrote that mydd, is a real piece of work. If he can call himself a Democrat, then I don’t want to have anything to do with that nutty part of the Party.

    These guys probably think Twin Towers were taken down by controlled demolitions.

  158. Pray, what is “democrats disease” ?! If it means that you attract more republicans than democrats because “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, then BO has acute infection.

  159. TIME TO UNITE! Taylor Marsh is encouraging women and men who are sick of this to begin unsubscribing to all the progressive and democratic organizations that send us emails. And tell them WHY.

    I am unsubscribing to every email I get, and I get a LOT. I have already done Sen. Kerry and a few others. Here is what I said to Move-on.org, when they emailed me today about helping elect Democrats who are “on our side”.

    I encourage all of you to do as Taylor said. Unsubscribe, but also email and tell them why.

    Dear Move On,

    I and many other progressive women and like-minded men have decided that enough is enough. I will no longer support or donate to any political organization who does not begin to stand up and loudly decry the sexism that has run rampant in the current Democratic presidential primary race. Nor will I support or donate to any candidate who has not done the same.

    Half of the electorate is being disenfranchised by the knee-capping of the first viable woman candidate this country has ever had. It has not been issue-based, it has been personality and gender-based, and progressive women are spitting mad.

    I agree that we should elect Democrats who are on our side. I am a woman. Who is on my side?

    Women’s rights are Human Rights.

    No more. It stops now.


    My Name

  160. I saw the Dick Morris interview on O’Riley factor (the video on RCP). He does not think SC primary and NV Caucus matter. He believes Florida followed by Super Tuesday are the ones to watch. I have never been admirer of Morris as person but his analysis is correct. Our campaign should be focussed on Florida and Super Tuesday strategy.

  161. H4T, I like that. I sent another e-mail to Kerry with these changes:

    “Dear Senator Kerry,

    I and many other progressive women and like-minded men have decided that enough is enough. I will no longer support or donate to any political organization who does not begin to stand up and loudly decry the sexism that has run rampant in the current Democratic presidential primary race. Nor will I support or donate to any candidate who has not done the same.

    Half of the electorate is being disenfranchised by the knee-capping of the first viable woman candidate this country has ever had. It has not been issue-based, it has been personality and gender-based, and progressive women are spitting mad.

    I agree that we should elect Democrats who are on our side. I am a woman. Who is on my side?

    Women’s rights are Human Rights.

    No more. It stops now.



    PS- You really sucked as a candidate. I mean- REALLY- sucked.”

  162. I don’t know. I’m still nervous and the NH win only suppressed my feelings. Who would want that loser’s (John Kerry) endorsement anyway.

    Is it not obvious that the press is having a love fest with Obama. Its borderline pathetic. I mean the day after Hillary lost, the press called her campaign dead and in serious trouble. Obama is not getting the same type of negativity. People say that Obama can unite everybody and end partisan politics, which is absolute BS. Unless everybody starts agreeing with one another’s viewpoint, the will always be partisan politics. Partisan politics existed in the 1700’s and 1800’s and Obama thinks he can end partisan politics?? Show me the results of Obama working against party lines and actually getting something passed.

    Hillary need to fire her campaign on all cylinders and don’t give Obama a break. Get surrogates to attack what Jesse Jackson Jr. said and what John Conyers and other michigan politicians are trying to do. Does she have any ads playing up there. At the debates, she needs to assault Obama and Edwards for taking themselves off the ballot and compare it to abandoning Michigan democrats.

    How is Nevada doing???

  163. Not to far off topic…

    If Kelly Tilghman can be suspended for two weeks by the Golf Channel for one offensive joking comment about Tiger Woods, what would be the comparable suspensions by NBC and MSNBC and Fox for the much more egregious tirades against Senator Clinton?

    Just putting that out here.

  164. Commented yesterday here that I had responded to E J Dione’s mea culpa article in yesterday’s The New Republic.

    Chose his “what went wrong in NH” article over others because I believe he is more likely than most others to actually READ his emails, comments, etc.

    Told him that the vote was in part a pushback against MSM and the now accepted, but unacceptable, use of vulgar verbal sexual abuse of HRC

  165. Kerry? The guy wanted to run again in 2008 and got nowhere. He’s the quintessential symbol of ‘Democrats couldn’t beat my grandmother.’

    I bet he offered his endorsement to the Clintons and they said, ‘Yeah, right. I’ll tell you what, we’ll call you. On second thought, NO THANKS!’

  166. Gee, for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY a woman wins a US presidential primary and people immediately, publicly start trying to undermine this accomplishment? Why are we suprised? Are we surprised at how pathetic and mean-spirited and belittling this is? C’mon now.

    There is a clear, rational explanation for the election results. Women showed up in droves and they voted for Hillary. That is IT! Barak’s supporters and spinners assumed all the “new” votes would be for him. Well guess what??? They were WOMEN! SHOWING UP AND TURNING OUT FOR HILLARY! She beat the boys by huge margins. SHE GOT THE MOST VOTES! 18% more single women. 13% married women. 20% MOTHERS!! You cannot blame racism or deibold or the grinch who stole christmas.

    She WON. She fucking won, fair and square. GET OVER IT!

  167. Kerry didn’t run because Hillary did. He knew real Democrats wouldn’t support him when they had a fighter on their side.

  168. “I don’t want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats — we’ve done that in 2004, 2000,” is what obama said fwiw

    regarding the bloggers and this vote fraud nonsense, of all people robert novak points out in the paper today that the reason exit polls don’t exactly match the results is, exit polling didn’t plug in the right number for the turnout of women voters. 57% is unprecedented.

  169. Has any other committee Chair failed to hold a meeting?
    What SPECIFIC steps will OB take to bring us together on;

    1- Iraq and the Middle East?

    2- Health Care

    3-Immigration reform

    4- Choice/RTL

    5-Gay rights/marriage

    6-Energy (Price of oil)

    While I love a scandal as much as the next guy, OB is vulnerable on the ISSUES and especially on this fantasy of bridging the chasm between left and right, republican and democrat.

    Sure, go after the corruption, but that will also harden some of his support. If we go after his CONCEPT, the entire underpinnings of his candidacy, we can make him evaporate. The most potentially damaging thing to his candidacy and his cult is making him get SPECIFIC.

    The devil for OB is in the details. He’s getting by on potential and rhetoric. His platform is as wispy as his record, and speaking of records; I still can’t believe that this guy has gotten away with getting BM to believe that he DIDN’T KEEP AN APPOINTMENT CALENDAR! You want a scandal, that IS one, because it HAS to be a lie. I still have my old, “day-runners”, from years ago that I used to back up my tax returns. How can a public official have no record of meetings, lunches, phone calls, etc, when most need to keep some type of diary of expenses, at the least.

  170. Here’s a reply to every Tom, Dick and Harry who flames us on another site re: Hillary:

    ” Here’s a question:

    Q. Fighting with me is about as productive as…..

    A. Obama in the Senate
    B. Obama as a law “professor”
    C. Obama as a Sub-Commitee chair
    D. Obama as a champion of progressive causes
    E. Obama as a community organizer OR
    F. All of the above.”

  171. Did the freezing Chicago tenants call Legal Aid for help? The only reason there is a Legal Aid to call is Hillary stopped Reagan from wiping out Legal Services for the poor–back in 1982. (That’s the 35 years of fighting she’s talking about.)

    Legal Aid is one of Hillary’s great accomplishments. She should take more public credit for it. Every poor tenant getting screwed and intimidated by their landlord’s lawyers has a fighting chance because of Hillary.

  172. The Kerry endorsement feels like an Older guy trying to be hip with the cool kids. It doesn’t fly for me.

  173. How about state senator Obama’s PHONE RECORDS from the time in question? Are the also nonexistent?

    Who else has ever fictionalized people and created, “composites” in their AUTOBIOGRAPHY? Wouldn’t this be damning, embarrassing and the constant subject of ridicule if it was anyone else? What does it say about his HONESTY? What does it say about his CHARACTER?

    The real audacity is that he made stuff up and hoped nobody would check. Someone should.

  174. Kerry endorsing BHO–Bill Clinton got out of his sick bed to campaign for this guy. He could have stayed neutral if he didn’t want to endorse Hillary.

  175. I just wrote this in response to the annoying Andrew Sullivan at the Atlantic who said in today’s blog “Our Clinton Problem – And Mine”

    “I do not believe that holding a female politician to exactly the same standards as a male one, and refusing to give her a pass because of her gender on anything, is sexist or misogynist. I’ve tried to be gracious when appropriate.”

    and I wrote:

    Andrew – your’re holding Clinton to much higher standards and impossible standards you would never hold Obama, or any male politician, to is also called sexism, by the way. Clinton gets one good day of coverage after her HISTORICAL win and comeback – and Obama makes one good speech at the JJ Dinner and the praises go on forever. Women recognize this because they are judged by double standards every day; they may be quiet about it, but the backlash will come back against Obama and his sexist choir of journalists in the voting booths as they did in NH.

  176. May be this is a repeat, and the next one too. Sorry

    You all know how I feel about Iraq and our current anemic response in Afghanistan ….

    Ann Guarals (spelling?) reporting from Iraq that nine of our finest died in the first day of our “new operation” south of the capitol city, six in a Sunni booby-trapped house.

    )*&^%$#@!+)** it!

  177. emjay we are bombing in iraq — biggest air offensive. i think iraq is a double edged sword for her .. the vote for it she just has to keep hammering why she made her choice

  178. The most potentially damaging thing to his candidacy and his cult is making him get SPECIFIC.

    yes i agree. i think people are starting to ask that and they should keep asking (i’d like to know myself). it’s certainly not cynical to ask in real practical terms how does he intend to actually get things done?

  179. OkieAtty

    Love the sound of your cackle!!!

    WHEN WE HAVE OUR REUNION in Hot Springs, Ark, natch, we should form a cackle chorus and send the results to Chrissie & Co.

    Cackle, Cackle Caaackllleeee, he he he.

  180. Does anyone have an idea of how Clinton’s events went in Nevada? I need to see pictures of my girl on the campaign trail.

  181. Yeah Dot48, know about the new offensive.

    If someone can find it, Hillary’s floor speech, before the vote, explains her belief about what the resolution is designed to do, especially the last two paragraphs or so.

    She and our Nebraska neighbor, Chuck Hagel, plus several others, were given pledges by Condi Rice that it would be used for United Nations diplomatic pressure.

    Those documented FACTS should go a long way toward diluting criticism of her not giving the intel a thorough reading.

    I’m usually good at finding things, tho not as good as many here, but I get so tangled up at the US Senate site, I give up. And then the caucuses started…now I’m too beat. Someone will find it tho…it can;t be that hard.

  182. It’s the economy, stupid — From the Washington Post:

    “Which candidate stands to benefit most as voters’ concerns about the economy rise? At this point, Hillary Clinton may have some advantage over Barack Obama. For both Clintons, economic issues have been central to their political thinking and strategy from the day Bill Clinton announced his candidacy in 1991.

    His was the campaign to restore the forgotten middle class. Hers, beginning last spring, sought to focus on the invisible Americans ignored or left behind by the Bush administration. That message has been muffled at different times during the campaign, but in New Hampshire, she returned to it with apparent success.

    The National Election Pool exit poll in New Hampshire showed Clinton winning among voters who cited the economy as the biggest issue. Obama won among those who said Iraq was most important, and they were essentially tied among those who named health care.”

  183. Something I put together a while ago for another topic;

    “When will Hillary fully explain her vote for the Iraq war ??”

    She explained her vote, on the Senate floor in 2002. It’s part of the Congressional Record. Here’s the link;


    I’d like you to read the whole speech, but for the record here, once and for all, I’m exerpting what she said SPECIFICALLY about the possibility of an invasion;

    Here’s what she said THEN, about invading Iraq;

    Senator Clinton; Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

    Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.

    This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980’s when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.

    However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.

    If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?

    So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts IS NOT A GOOD OPTION!

    “What were her reasons for voting for war ??” Again, From the link above, from her speech on the Senate floor, From the PUBLIC RECORD.

    Senator Clinton:

    Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein’s chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.

    I am honored to represent nearly 19 million New Yorkers, a thoughtful democracy of voices and opinions who make themselves heard on the great issues of our day especially this one. Many have contacted my office about this resolution, both in support of and in opposition to it, and I am grateful to all who have expressed an opinion.

    I also greatly respect the differing opinions within this body. The debate they engender will aid our search for a wise, effective policy. Therefore, on no account should dissent be discouraged or disparaged. It is central to our freedom and to our progress, for on more than one occasion, history has proven our great dissenters to be right.

    Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people. Unfortunately, during the 1980’s, while he engaged in such horrific activity, he enjoyed the support of the American government, because he had oil and was seen as a counterweight to the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran.

    In 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied Kuwait, losing the support of the United States. The first President Bush assembled a global coalition, including many Arab states, and threw Saddam out after forty-three days of bombing and a hundred hours of ground operations. The U.S.-led coalition then withdrew, leaving the Kurds and the Shiites, who had risen against Saddam Hussein at our urging, to Saddam’s revenge.

    As a condition for ending the conflict, the United Nations imposed a number of requirements on Iraq, among them disarmament of all weapons of mass destruction, stocks used to make such weapons, and laboratories necessary to do the work. Saddam Hussein agreed, and an inspection system was set up to ensure compliance. And though he repeatedly lied, delayed, and obstructed the inspections work, the inspectors found and destroyed far more weapons of mass destruction capability than were destroyed in the Gulf War, including thousands of chemical weapons, large volumes of chemical and biological stocks, a number of missiles and warheads, a major lab equipped to produce anthrax and other bio-weapons, as well as substantial nuclear facilities.

    In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated “sovereign sites” including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

    In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

    In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

    It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

    “Why did she vote against the Levin amendment ? ”



    In her October 10, 2002, floor speech on the resolution to use military force against Iraq, Clinton specifically explained why she rejected the idea of mandating that the president obtain approval from the UN Security Council before launching a military attack:

    CLINTON: Others argue that we should work through the United Nations and should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it. This too has great appeal for different reasons. The UN deserves our support. Whenever possible we should work through it and strengthen it, for it enables the world to share the risks and burdens of global security and when it acts, it confers a legitimacy that increases the likelihood of long-term success. The UN can help lead the world into a new era of global cooperation and the United States should support that goal.

    But there are problems with this approach as well. The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act. In Kosovo, the Russians did not approve NATO military action because of political, ethnic, and religious ties to the Serbs. The United States therefore could not obtain a Security Council resolution in favor of the action necessary to stop the dislocation and ethnic cleansing of more than a million Kosovar Albanians. However, most of the world was with us because there was a genuine emergency with thousands dead and a million driven from their homes. As soon as the American-led conflict was over, Russia joined the peacekeeping effort that is still underway.

    In the case of Iraq, recent comments indicate that one or two Security Council members might never approve force against Saddam Hussein until he has actually used chemical, biological, or God forbid, nuclear weapons.


    If we try and fail to get a resolution that simply, but forcefully, calls for Saddam’s compliance with unlimited inspections, those who oppose even that will be in an indefensible position. And we will still have more support and legitimacy than if we insist now on a resolution that includes authorizing military action and other requirements giving some nations superficially legitimate reasons to oppose any Security Council action. They will say we never wanted a resolution at all and that we only support the United Nations when it does exactly what we want.

    “Did she use the National Intelligence Estimate or the polls to make her decision ?”

    Few senators read Iraq NIE report
    Only a handful of senators outside the INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE say they read the full 92-page National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq’s ability to attack the U.S. before voting to go to war, according to a survey conducted by The Hill.

    The low interest in the classified estimate, or NIE, could offer valuable cover to the five senators seeking the presidency who acknowledged during recent debates that they did not read the complete document before the pivotal Iraq vote.


    Of the 22 senators who reported reading the full NIE, eight are Republicans and 14 are Democrats. All but one Democrat on the 17-person Intelligence Committee in 2002 recalled reading the NIE: Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) told a campaign-trail audience earlier this month that he had, but later recanted. Edwards voted to authorize war.

    It would seem that only a few Senators NOT on the Intelligence Committee read the entire report. While you may impune her for not doing so, you will have to impune everyone else who was in the Senate at that time along with her.

    All Senators use a summary, and have aides who read and distill the literally dozens of reports that are released weekly from the various agencies. No one with any sense would contend that any Senator would vote based on,”polls”, and only someone with an ax to grind against someone would insinuate it.

  184. …I have also called and registered my fury over Kerry’s endorsement…maybe he is angling for V.P. (ha!) perhaps we need to email Ted Kennedy and suggest that we know he would not be so foolish as Kerry is to support this Johnny Come Lately that no one even knows anything about…We believe that Kennedy is much wiser than to be so careless with the Democratic Party and the ire of the Democratic women…as in Bill Richardson who has shown some class and will not endorse at this time

    some thoughts…
    (from tv coverage) so now it is the wine drinkers vs the beer drinkers…hmmm…Hillary has to take it right to O…as in making any weakness into her strength…hillary represents all democrats, not just the elite democrats…the elite of the democratic party (wine drinkers)…she has to bang on that she is a Democrat for all the people…and that she is going after the special interests…that rebel girl from Wellesley who went after Richard Nixon is still in her heart and alive and ready for action…obama is in dreamworld…she is the rebel realist who will transform and fight to the end…Hillary will speak for the people that have been pushed around and pushed aside…

    she needs to use some references that college kids can identify with…like ‘when i was in college it was the viet nam war…etc…
    and just like you students today care about (insert)…though things change some things stay the same…I care about what you care about…etc, etc..and incorporate personal stories from college kids …what some have to do to get an education, etc
    she needs to personalize her campaign as much as possible to create that connection…so people will begin to identify with her more and more…the college kids don’t really know her…many of them only know what they have heard about her…and we don’t have a lot of time..

    the youth that are following O because they think they are going to a rock concert…they have no idea what he stands for…he will unite them for his leadership and no one knows where they will be going….metaphorically the blind leading the blind…

    btw…the Obama people come on tv across like thugs…real tough guys…..Hillary should try to cultivate the idea of being able to heal the divisions…the more she shows of her personality, the more she will accomplish this…the more people see her on tv and hear her on the radio the more they will get to know her and discover her sense of humor and smarts…she has got to get as much positive tv and radio exposure as possible and i completely agree with the suggestion above reagarding townhalls and campus get togethers as much as possible…

  185. Emjay, I’m 5 hours from Hot Springs. Would love to have a reunion there. Mmmmmm. McClard’s…..best BBQ in Arkansas. The chopped beef, pork, fries, cole slaw, ribs……I can eat the chopped beef all day. I actually make friends bring it back when they go for the weekend for golf….I have stuff from the rock shop in my living room.

  186. oh and one more thing…the more they see her they will discover her humor, smarts…and most of all -COMPASSION (and sensitivity)

  187. Here’s what got lost in cyberspace:

    Two things to DO to make a little difference:

    1) Wear orange (as much as you can bear) tomorrow, the 11th; in protest of the shame that is Guantanamo Bay.


    2) Add your name to the worldwide petition that is going to be sent to MSM organizations as a response to Maureen Dowd’s ugly Hill-bash column in the New York Times titled “Can Hillary Cry Her Way To The White House?”

    Sponsored by the classy “Working Assets” Group, a friend told me they had ONE MILLION on-line signatures by noon today.

    Access to the petition is on Taylor Marsh’s site, click purple banner “Let The Media Hear You” appropriately right above Jessee Jackson Jr’s head at 11:13 am on 1-9-08.

    It will take you right to CREDO action.

    Get on board and let your email list know too.

    I LOVE the sound of good women and good men taking action!

    The pushback is on. Let’s boogie.

  188. major garrett just told of a 1996 event that Bill Clinton did for Kerry and saved his election bid,

    no wonder Kerry got swiftboated ,, ungrateful twit.

  189. Is that the same Major (f*&k-up) Garrett who, “broke”, the Carville and Begala story? I would DOUBLE-CHECK anything that guy says…

  190. What I love most about the NH results is that it illuminates how truly smart women are. Let Big Media and Tweety continue to discount Hillary’s historic primary win. Let Tweety say the only reason Hillary is a factor in this race is because her husband “messed around.” Let them keep making these mistakes.

    We might not hear a public outcry from women around the nation, but we will hear their voices after more primaries are conducted, and results similar to that of NH keep pouring in.

  191. OMG TheRealist…

    You are my goto person!!! Hold all that stuff for Admin, please. We’re gonna need it.

    You sound a wee bit peeved, like you have laid this out here before…sorry I wasn’t on board at the time.

    Thanks. I “heart” you.

  192. now o’reilly trying to say the “iron my shirt” was staged.

    will they NEVER give it up.

    and here I was thinking O’reilly was getting a bit soft…dream on

  193. Tomorrows news:

    This morning Rush Limbaugh accused that the two hecklers at Hillary’s rally that had the sign “Iron my shirt”
    as campaign plants. I now seeb the same thing on O’Riley. I think we are going to see tomorrow from Obama’s leftwing kooks the same thing.

    This is disgusting.

  194. this is why hillary needs someone immediately refuting this stuff. don’t give it a chance to get a foothold and have to respond.

    gosh, I really wish Carville would come onboard. This is the kind of stuff hes great at.

  195. Keep enlisting people to sign the petition. I’ve just got my sister to do so too. Makes me feel better. Hope this make the news.

    Is there anything from Nevada today. Have seen nothing online or anywhere.

  196. You can write O’Rielly and tell him “iron my shirt” is a prank two radio personalities from Boston go around and do at women related events.

  197. Emjay-

    Nope, not peeved. Like I said, I put that together for a different purpose; To shoot down someone who had asked the questions in a less than civil tone on one of the (CNN MSNBC) blogs. Any of MY (peeved) editorial comment was directed at that person in that moment. I didn’t, “scrub”, it in the interest of getting it out there fast.

    I agree that there should be a go-to person or site to instantly refute the usual slanders. The Fact Hub does it’s part, but many of the fact-free criticisms of Hillary are more of the, “Urban Legend”, variety. They’re recurring and mostly promoted on the blogs and message boards.
    Having an ammo pack of links to answers and debunking that are independent and not directly from Hillary’s site to shoot this stuff down would be an asset.

  198. This article of how he stabbed one of Chicago’s most well-liked African American politicians in the back is enlightening. Her name is Alice Palmer, and she had been helping her people and doing community organizing long before Obama even knew what it was.

    He completely screwed her over. Because even though he had years and years still to fulfill his own ambitions, he could not stand to wait one minute, so had to climb over the back of a woman who had been nothing but good to him to get what he wanted.

    www. [space] chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story

  199. Clinton Makes 9th Campaign Stop in Las Vegas

    Senator Hillary Clinton is in Las Vegas, making here ninth appearance since starting her campaign last year. She’s canvassing neighborhoods, meeting with possible caucus-goers. But in just a short time, she’ll be sitting down for some Mexican food and talking with voters. This is not only about beating Barack Obama to the punch, being first to come here since her new Hampshire win, it’s also about shoring up the Hispanic vote.

    Eyewitness News also had an inside look at the Clinton nerve center Thursday. The Tropicana office was filled with a massive phone bank and supporters by the dozens. The Clinton campaign has enjoyed a large presence here for months and hope to continue calling and getting signs ready for next Saturday.

    Clinton is expected to focus on a very “Nevada” issue: foreclosures.

    [Channel 8 – Las Vegas Now]


    Menendez is coming to Reno to campaign for Clinton

    New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez heads to Nevada this weekend to campaign for Hillary Rodham Clinton. He’ll spend Saturday and Sunday stumping for the New York senator. Menendez will lead a group of Congressional Hispanic Caucus members on a bus tour around Las Vegas, encouraging Latino voters to attend the Democratic caucus. Menendez is Clinton’s national campaign co-chair.

    [Channel 4 – KNRV]

  200. Thanks too for Nevada info,

    MSNBC reduced to cheerleaders now lol…all they need is pompoms and short skirts. loved it.

    Hearing Liberal attached to Obama now

  201. I so wished the nighttime talk shows and variety shows – Jon Stewart, SNL had squared away the writers strike earlier for their shows – so that they would be making fun of MSNBC even now – it would’ve helped Hillary’s cause tremendously – just thinking about SNL skit – showing Tweety falling at the feet of Anointed One.

    Hillary in California tomorrow – heading to a very small event, not public as far as I know.

  202. It’s disappointing when the people I greatly respect act out in such insulting ways. It hurts my feelings, though I’ll try to go on, to quote my heroine. Are these, supposedly, evolved men so afraid of a woman in control that they willingly give up years of mostly ethical decisions to join a boys’ club? John Kerry has trashed the man who put his own health at risk to campaign for him with the passion that Kerry lacked in 2004. BC also helped save JK’s career in 1996 when he was busy losing his senate seat. John Conyers, however, is more of a personal loss than JK. He helped Rosa Parks find employment in Detroit after she gave of herself so historically in Alabama. Thank goodness she wasn’t trying to run for a leadership position. Ned Lamont endorses the guy who crossed party lines and campaigned for Lieberman against him. I’ve always known it but could it be made any more clear that sexism trumps common sense and ethics in even the best of us, at times?

  203. TheRealist

    Collectively, we are that asset.

    That asset thinking is also what is behind my cheer-leading for combining our voices and $$ and speaking out vs just whining and blaming Hillary’s campaign workers for what we perceive as errors.

    We can do much, with small actions, to make a BIG difference.

    I just read here for a bit, started expressing and contributing a bit and feel the huge amount of intellect, experience and energy that is here. I am proud to have been accepted by a group that I wanted to be a part of.

  204. Would someone put up a link to that petition? It takes a long time to explain how to get there and my puter is signaling me that I have way too many windows open.

    I will learn how to do it, I swear. Just not right now.

    BTW, keep mentioning it (the petition) in the next few days. I sense that some people are swamped and hop on w/o “going up to catch up.” I used to try to read every word myself, but have discovered that behavior is that of “my self who has no life” because I compulsively want to respond to everything that strikes me and I am a slow typist.

    Lordy, I sound like a perverted Jane Austin.

    Time for wine, and cheese.

  205. “Who woke Fred Thompson up? Looked like the director yelled “Action” and he came out swinging”


  206. I’m watching the Rep. debate and Thompson went into a long attack against Huck. followed by the loudest applause I have heard in a rep debate to date. He was speaking so fast and spewing out differnet things from school volchers to taxes Huck is for and against going to have to watch the replay to remember it all.

  207. “I’m watching the Rep. debate and Thompson went into a long attack against Huck. followed by the loudest applause I have heard in a rep debate to date. He was speaking so fast and spewing out differnet things from school volchers to taxes Huck is for and against going to have to watch the replay to remember it all.”

    Hillary should do something like that.

  208. Or Bill Clinton. He was particularly effective on the “Fairy Tale” video. He effectively defended Hillary’s vote and demolished the holier-than-thou image of St. Obama.

  209. CJ

    Thanks. I wanted that one too, but I was asking about the Working Assets CREDO-action “Let the Media Hear You” one.

    Thank you, again. 8)

  210. “Anduril: Hillary should do something like that.

    Wouldn’t she be accused of being shrill?”

    Tone of voice is key (I believe). It should be forceful and unrelenting but it should not sound high-pitched. Or let Bill Clinton do it.

  211. Hey gang,

    You can submit questions for Tuesday’s debate through the local Las Vegas NBC affiliate. Just go to:


    (didn’t want the hyperlink getting delayed by the filter)

    and click on the last link in the “Top Headlines” list.

    Here’s my question.

    To Mr. Obama:

    Many healthcare experts say that your healthcare plan leaves 15 million Americans without coverage. As that is 5% of our national population, which 5% of the audience would you propose be left without healthcare coverage ?


    So many other good questions, like why he supports drivers licenses for illegals, or ask about his anti-union positions, or Rezco…

  212. # dot48 Says:
    January 10th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
    Perhaps Alice Palmer would support Hillary and could be of great use of her campaign
    yes, she is. miss palmer was at hillary’s event in chicago, such an eloquent and gracious lady. i said thank you to her for being with hillary.

  213. This was my question submission:

    To Senator Obama:

    The following is an accurate report on details of your served time in the Illinois State Legislature where you committed, as I understand, many “present” votes.

    “in 1997, Obama voted “present” on two bills (HB 382 and SB 230) that would have prohibited a procedure often referred to as partial birth abortion. He also voted “present” on SB 71, which lowered the first offense of carrying a concealed weapon from a felony to a misdemeanor and raised the penalty of subsequent offenses.

    In 1999, Obama voted “present” on SB 759, a bill that required mandatory adult prosecution for firing a gun on or near school grounds. The bill passed the state Senate 52-1. Also in 1999, Obama voted “present” on HB 854 that protected the privacy of sex-abuse victims by allowing petitions to have the trial records sealed. He was the only member to not support the bill.

    In 2001, Obama voted “present” on two parental notification abortion bills (HB 1900 and SB 562), and he voted “present” on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if it survived a failed abortion. In his book, the Audacity of Hope, on page 132, Obama explained his problems with the “born alive” bills, specifically arguing that they would overturn Roe v. Wade. But he failed to mention that he only felt strongly enough to vote “present” on the bills instead of “no.”

    And finally in 2001, Obama voted “present” on SB 609, a bill prohibiting strip clubs and other adult establishments from being within 1,000 feet of schools, churches, and daycares.”

    ~from http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html

    my question to you is:

    No one has really asked you about such factual records and your failure to take a stand on important issues…however on the campaign trail, you often speak of standing up for your beliefs.

    Perhaps you can enlighten us as to why you decided to vote “present” on these very important issues. Afterall, if you are running to be the president of the United States, we need honesty on all decisions and policies and voting “present” seems like a very new concept for most of us.


    *******, a fan from your home state of Illinois

  214. this was my question:

    To Senator Obama:

    The following is an accurate report on details of your served time in the Illinois State Legislature where you committed, as I understand, many “present” votes.

    “in 1997, Obama voted “present” on two bills (HB 382 and SB 230) that would have prohibited a procedure often referred to as partial birth abortion. He also voted “present” on SB 71, which lowered the first offense of carrying a concealed weapon from a felony to a misdemeanor and raised the penalty of subsequent offenses.

    In 1999, Obama voted “present” on SB 759, a bill that required mandatory adult prosecution for firing a gun on or near school grounds. The bill passed the state Senate 52-1. Also in 1999, Obama voted “present” on HB 854 that protected the privacy of sex-abuse victims by allowing petitions to have the trial records sealed. He was the only member to not support the bill.

    In 2001, Obama voted “present” on two parental notification abortion bills (HB 1900 and SB 562), and he voted “present” on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if it survived a failed abortion. In his book, the Audacity of Hope, on page 132, Obama explained his problems with the “born alive” bills, specifically arguing that they would overturn Roe v. Wade. But he failed to mention that he only felt strongly enough to vote “present” on the bills instead of “no.”

    And finally in 2001, Obama voted “present” on SB 609, a bill prohibiting strip clubs and other adult establishments from being within 1,000 feet of schools, churches, and daycares.”

    ~from realclearpolitics . com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama. html

    my question to you is:

    No one has really asked you about such factual records and your failure to take a stand on important issues…however on the campaign trail, you often speak of standing up for your beliefs.

    Perhaps you can enlighten us as to why you decided to vote “present” on these very important issues. Afterall, if you are running to be the president of the United States, we need honesty on all decisions and policies and voting “present” seems like a very new concept for most of us.


    Mike, a fan from your home state of Illinois

  215. i hope you guys all get picked,attack him lol…you know what your answer is gonna be if ya get picked uhhh uuhh ii ii ii…and you ask him long question he’ll drift into something else lol

  216. Hilary listened – she is reaching out to the youth vote. GREAT VIDEO HERE:

    www. [space] youtube.com/watch?v=WqibBRlF3EE

  217. Fox News has basically endorsed Fred Thompson. Did anyone watch their coverage of the Fox News focus group?

  218. HFT yep good video i found it on her site to tv hillary,im glad chelsea is helping …

    great questions..msj..joe try to ask him one where he will get confused..lol..where he will stutter lol

    and mj welcome back i forget to say that..you hillary fighter..get them cults off the steets.you know what i was thinking you know those busses i think they dont go to school and he uses them to place at sites where his precints arent doing well..then sticks them in the cacus or primary to vote..he knows his numbers if they are low in precints..it was something i was just thinking ,so you guys might think of that to.i dont trust him.

  219. The linked version of the Alice Palmer story at the Chicago Tribune seems to be somewhat sanitized. For one thing I can’t find

    And he defended his use of ballot maneuvers: “If you can win, you should win and get to work doing the people’s business.”

    which was in the long profile done a few months ago and titled “Showing his bare knuckles” at

    It might be a good idea for several people to archive the original version. It’s titled “Part Four” and has 5 segments, each at a different url reachable from the url I just posted here.

    City authorities had just completed a massive, routine purge of unqualified names that eliminated 15,871 people from the 13th District rolls, court records show.
    Ewell and other Obama rivals had relied on early 1995 polling sheets to verify the signatures of registered voters — but Obama’s challenges were decided at least in part using the most recent, accurate list, records show.

    Now I’d like to know if Obama’s own petition signatures would have met the new requirements, and if they are still on file to find out.
    (And if they suddenly vanish, that also might be a clue.)

    As politico already knows (hi, ben), the local group who did the challenges is still around and has now REFUSED to endorse BO for 2008 (some support Clinton). So there may be some people out there with stories to tell.

  220. From the “WHAT ELSE IS NEW” department:

    * On October 4, MSNBC host Chris Matthews professed his neutrality in the presidential race. “I’m pretty independent, in terms of the two parties,” he said. “I have been just as tough on Bill Clinton and Hillary and Rudy and the whole bunch of them.”

    * The ‘Philadelphia Inquirer Magazine’ reported in June 2001 that Matthews told an MSNBC colleague, “I hate her. I hate her. All that she stands for.

    [Media Matters]

  221. just out from camp hillary-henry cinceros is backing her. he ws for richardson. he is an icon here in tx..Clinton Campaign Release on New EndorsementsHenry Cisneros and Edward Romero
    Endorse Hillary for President

    Former Richardson Supporters Cite Clinton’s Record of Delivering Results for America’s Families

    Today, two prominent supporters of Governor Bill Richardson’s presidential campaign, former U.S. Ambassador Edward Romero and Henry Cisneros, the first Hispanic to serve as the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), announced their endorsements of Hillary Clinton for President today.

    “These two men each in their own way broke historic ground and embody what the American dream is all about. I am honored to have their support, experience and passion behind me as I continue my conversation with American families about my bold vision for the future and my record of delivering real change for this country,” said Senator Clinton.

    Cisneros served in President Bill Clinton’s administration as the Secretary of HUD from 1993 to 1997. Cisneros is credited with initiating the revitalization of many of the nation’s public housing developments and formulating policies that have contributed to today’s record homeownership rate.

    “I am proud to stand with Senator Clinton because she has always stood for America’s children and families. Hillary Clinton has the right combination of passion, leadership and heart that will make her the best President,” said Cisneros. “We all need a President who can start on day one fixing the problems left in the wake of the Bush Administration.”

    Former U.S. Ambassador to Spain and Andorra Edward L. Romero, who had served as the National Finance Chair to Governor Bill Richardson’s presidential campaign, cited Senator Clinton’s record of delivering results to America’s children.

    “I asked myself two questions: Who will be the best President and who can win in November? For me, the choice was clear. Senator Clinton time and again has worked hard and has a strong record of delivering real results for this country. She is best equipped to get this country back on track,” said Romero.

    Ambassador Romero has previously served on the national finance committees for the Carter and Clinton administrations as well as Vice President Al Gore. He also helped to raise money for Presidential candidate John Kerry.

  222. admin-i had coffee with the incomparable daily howler yesterday and gotta tell ya he s back to his old gruff and cheery self, in truth, before and during the onslaught, he did seem to get incomparably despondent and hopeless as regards to our party , our side. I think the thing that knocked him over was when he found out that the DNC had authorized another MSNBC debate, He told me of our party is just that dumb, maybe it is best to just press the reset button and start over. But, that black tide is passed. on wed i greeted him with the happy words ‘told you so!’ He was quite pleased by the net pushback against the media Wednesday morn. He said he saw more net biggies willing to talk back to the media in that that morn than hes seen in the 10 years combined hes been doin’ the howler. The lucky thing is, I didnt see his monday post till wednsday. i love the guy and know hes brilliant, but that ws close to dumb. Even though bob is obviously brilliant as regards to media script and such – he really doesnt have any experience or a clue about on the ground -retail politics. Please forgive his bleak moment of darrk weakness, he still Howls for you, me, all of us.

  223. I like that she is actually going out in the streets to get votes. I haven’t seen Obambi do this.

    So far the pundits are saying that the Culinary Union may tilt it Obambi’s way. However, we’ve learned not to believe them. I think the Latino vote will break for her. Having Bob Menendez stump for her is great as he can directly reach out to the Latino vote.

  224. I think the thing that knocked him over was when he found out that the DNC had authorized another MSNBC debate, He told me of our party is just that dumb…

    The DNC is not dumb. They know exactly what they are doing.

    That’s why it is important for all supporters of women’s issue to make it very clear to the DNC that we will not tolerate their participation in the lynching of a strong female Democratic Party leader.

  225. oh emjay i just go around the web,and type in google politics or hillary and usually somethin kicks up i havent seen..

  226. tiboures…So far the pundits are saying that the Culinary Union may tilt it Obambi’s way. However, we’ve learned not to believe them.dont believe ,there not going to take off work for the wages they get,to vote in a cacuc.. i think theres more latino’s than culinary..tooo….trying to fnd the population among latino’s in nevada

  227. The Culinary Union’s board has endorsed Obama, but I doubt that means all the members of that union will caucus for him. Only about half of the 60,000 members are registered voters and I do not know the breakdown of democrat vs. republican. I assume many are democrat, but there is probably a large portion that are independent or republican. Although I wish they hadn’t sipped the Cool-Aid and backed Hillary, I think the effect of the endorsement has been blow up by the Obama Media.

  228. ADMIN,


    IT’ S A ‘SET UP’….
    ‘SET UP’?…



  229. My question everyone sent to http://www.kvbc.com/. If you don’t have a question of your own, re-submit mine and help get it asked.

    In 2005, Congress passed the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005. At the time, Congressman Ed Markey (D-Mass.) called the bill “the final payback to the tobacco industry, to the asbestos industry, to the oil industry, to the chemical industry at the expense of ordinary families who need to be able go to court to protect their loved ones when their health has been compromised.” Senator Obama you voted for the Bill and Senator Clinton you voted against it. Senator Edwards you were not in the senate at the time, but most trial lawyers opposed the legislation and that is your former profession.

    Senators please explain your positions on this bill?

  230. skmf12:

    NBC is under growing scrutiny. Fox News is hammering them on a nightly basis for their despicable political coverage, led by Timmie and Tweety. The NBC admission that their political correspondents are openly partisan is not sitting well.

  231. Here is my question submitted to the Nevada Democratic debate. If you don’t have a question, re-submit mine and help get it asked.

    In 2005, Congress passed the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005. At the time, Congressman Ed Markey (D-Mass.) called the bill “the final payback to the tobacco industry, to the asbestos industry, to the oil industry, to the chemical industry at the expense of ordinary families who need to be able go to court to protect their loved ones when their health has been compromised.” Senator Obama you voted for the Bill and Senator Clinton you voted against it. Senator Edwards you were not in the senate at the time, but most trial lawyers opposed the legislation and that is your former profession.

    Senators please explain your positions on this bill?

  232. Roaseanne slams Obama and Oprah

    barak obama
    is an empty suit selling “hope” in lieu of Truth. Oprah Winfrey helped to elect Arnold Swartzenegger. I have no doubt that she voted her purse by doing this, as she is a large land owner in California, and that ilk fears Dems because they do not want to pay their “fair share” of Cali tax.
    Oprah has given us Swartzenegger and Dr. Phil. If that was not offensive enough to decent thinking people, now she brings us Obama. He has no ideas, no plan and nothing to add other than the cynical pacification of the masses with bedtime stories about hope, while calling Unions “special interest groups” that need to be done away with.
    Obama votes with Bush constantly funding this terrible endless war.
    Oprah, you play the race card and the gender card too.
    You are a closeted republican and chose Barak Obama because you do not like other women who actually stand for something to working American Women besides glamour, angels, hollywood and dieting!
    When Americans find out that Obama backs right wing corporate racist anti worker bullshit, they will not vote for him, and the victory will go to the most racist right wing republican ever…. Mccain, who is a fascist!
    That the culinary service workers in vegas have promised barak their vote,( he is anti union in his votes) over edwards, who is a pro-union man, just proves how stupid americans are and how they can be tricked so easily by the color of a person’s skin…exactly what MLK hated!
    Obama doesn’t even back reproductive rights for any woman! It is historical that Oprah Winfrey, beloved of women, chooses a flashy man with small credentials over a seasoned woman politician with 35 years of experience…and sells that to the female demographic who look to her for inspiration!

  233. Maureen Dowd, with her article “Can HIllary Cry her way to the Whitehouse” is the most catty anti-feminist female shill promoter of mysogny I have ever had the misfortune of reading. MODO really needs to start “liquoring it up” even earlier in the morning if she intends to ever be relevant again (in her own mind anyway). Here is what a wonderful poster on the NYT blog had to say to her in response (Its pure poetry)

    Amy M. Goldman at 7:43pm Jan 9

    ah, the confirmation of all i knew to be the pathetic meanderings of maureen dowd. perhaps her bitterness and feeble attempt at trying to be sexy, have brought her to sink lower than the titanic. perhaps if maureen could have a man in her life for more than a fleeting moment. perhaps if maureen could spell. perhaps if maureen hadn’t found a smarmy way to “earn” a column (ah, i can only speculate). she is yet another example of a the press bashing of sen. clinton, with virtually no logic behind it. maureen should understand one basic principle of womanhood. if you are going to pretend to be a feminist, you cannot waiver. pseudo delusions of haughty, betty friedan grandeur, do not justify the nom de plume……..feminist. maureen, YOU are no Hillary Clinton, and for you, tis a sad fact.

  234. The sad thing is, it would be easy for the MSM to dismiss her statements however true it is. It’s sad that the MSM has so much power that the truth has not come out. Sadder still is the fact that they don’t hide it anymore – they are blatant with their partisanship.

  235. rosie hit on the nail…she is from denver,she knows her politics to.i watched her all the time..
    looks like she is for our girl…she is the same as me chelsea more its true,out with mom lotts lotts more…and free child care ..that might be a great idea…

  236. I know that we’re talking about energized women voters, but I’m wondering if everyone and the MSM are failing to notice if there is energized senior voter base – the baby boomer bashing and the disrespect of the older and wiser by Obama constituents – may very well be bringing them out too. Seniors are not often online; they’re not as visible on television, but they could be a factor here. I was just reading Marc Ambinder and saw this person commenting on the Anne Rice endorsement of Hillary:

    “All these attacks against older people is offensive. One day you too will be old and how would like people insulting and dismissing you like a piece of garbage. There is always something to be learned from history, and older people have something that the youth won’t understand until they are old too…WISDOM. They have also given you all the opportunities that exist before you, such as equal rights and civil liberties (believe me they understand change) – appreciate that and be respectful. So rather than bashing her, we should ponder her points and weigh them out with our own established views and come to our own independent decisions. Together, fresh ideas and wisdom will lead us in the right path. I think that’s more akin to her point. Don’t bash your opposing candidates too much because in the end one of them has to win, and we are only adding fuel to the fire that will ignite by the Republican party once the primaries are over. We can differentiate without insulting. Thanks.

    Posted by Maris | January 10, 2008 10:42 PM

    we should ponder her points and weigh them out with our own established views and come to our own independent decisions. Together, fresh ideas and wisdom will lead us in the right path. I think that’s more akin to her point. Don’t bash your opposing candidates too much because in the end one of them has to win, and we are only adding fuel to the fire that will ignite by the Republican party once the primaries are over. We can differentiate without insulting. Thanks.

    should ponder her points and weigh them out with our own established views and come to our own independent decisions. Together, fresh ideas and wisdom will lead us in the right path. I think that’s more akin to her point. Don’t bash your opposing candidates too much because in the end one of them has to win, and we are only adding fuel to the fire that will ignite by the Republican party once the primaries are over. We can differentiate without insulting. Thanks.

    Posted by Maris | January 10, 2008 10:42 PM

  237. “Showing his bare knuckles” at

    This is a less sanitized, probably longer, version of the article someone posted where the title had been changed to “Knows his way around a ballot”.

    My factual post on this has shown up, so I want to add some commentary.

    Okay, I’m sure if this gets used, some people are going to make a parallel between Obama trying to trample elder stateswomen out of his way in 1996 and now, instead of waiting his turn (and running later with their support).

    In 1996 he didn’t just run against his benefactor, Alice Palmer, he eliminated her from politics (by getting her thrown off the ballot for signatures collected under an old list but challenged under a new list) with a charge of ‘fraud’.

    Hillary could be eliminated from future presidency even if Obama won this nomination fairly: by 2016 or even 2012 her age and Bill’s heart problems might make the committment of 9 more years too much to ask.

    The Palmer situation was complicated with mistakes made on both sides. Imo Obama showed poor judgement and poor, non-presidential ‘instincts’ in more than one way. The simplest point is — for immediate short-term gain he did something nasty which (like the ‘present’ votes) remains on his record indefinitely.

    As for judgement, Obama should not have jumped at an offer that he foresaw at the time might become problematical. Palmer was giving up her safe state senate seat to try for a higher office, and gave Obama her help to run for her old seat. Obama foresaw the problem of what if she lost her bid for higher office — but he did not negotiate a constructive approach with her to settle that possible problem. For one thing, he might have postponed investing in his campaign office and staff till they knew how her higher bid turned out. Or, he might have gotten a very firm agreement from Palmer that she would not run against him if she lost the higher bid.

    (Sure, Palmer should have been more careful too. But Palmer is not running for President of the US touting instincts and negotiation and courtesy etc etc.)

    After Palmer lost her bid and the problem did arise, Mr. Kumbaya Negotiator might have persuaded HER to sit out one term, while their organization could have found a second vacancy for one of them, thus getting them both into the state senate at once and picking up an extra seat for their people.

    At very worse, if he could not stand to run against her fairly, he might have shown her that he had the ammunition to challenge her signatures and given her a chance to withdraw instead of publically charging her with ‘fraud’ (to this day she’s described by an Obama supporter as ‘disgraced’). — Maybe he didn’t want to warn her because she might have put his own signatures to the same test?

    Now to the present. To be fair, when Obama announced in early 2007, it wasn’t certain that Hillary would even choose to get in at all. (I remember a cartoon of Obama and other candidates lolling in a swimming pool, suddenly looking up in shock: “Hillary!”

    But — did he privately coordinate with Hillary before declaring? Why didn’t he try to avoid a contest between the first black and the first woman?

    Why does he have so little confidence in himself that he thinks pre-mature bumping people off is his ONLY chance?

    He’s never won against a viable opponent:
    1996 – the ONLY name on the ballot
    2004 – viable candidates ‘imploded’, BO won against Keyes imported at last minute

    Even now, he’s still got a chance to back off and make a deal, before he causes damage to himself and to the Dem party. Er, you know, negotiate some wonderful hopeful solution that gets him a good post in the Hillary Administration and her support when he grows up, after he’s had enough exposure to be less swiftboatable. But we need to keep him out of the November GOP firing range if he’s going to live to grow up at all.


  238. lninla Says:
    January 11th, 2008 at 1:56 am
    energized senior voter base – the baby boomer bashing and the disrespect of the older and wiser by Obama constituents – may very well be bringing them out too.

    Raising my wrinkled hand from the keyboard in a V for peace sign….

    Yep. Bill and Hillary worked for McGovern in 72, and we’re the same generation. We still care for the same values and we still can mobilize. We are Boomers, see us type.

    Really, offending a whole generaton isn’t very smart….

  239. Well, I decided to buckle up and discuss Rezko in the blogosphere this night. I choose TPM-EC as there are lots of Obamalamas over there. Two things worth noticing:

    1) They really don’t want to talk about Rezko. They try really hard to change the subject, so to stay on message is important.

    2) Their talking points are basically these: No evidence of any wrong-doing on Obama’s part, just innuendo, it’s an old story and is that all you’ve got. Plus of course that Hillary is an evil #### so whatever Obama did Hillary surely must have done something worse.

    Conclusions from my little field testing is that as long as we stay on message Rezko is a really nice talking point to which they still have not adapted a good defense. They also tend to react very emotionally to this attack against their knight in shining armor, but then again, don’t they always?

  240. Those who will engage in vetting in the blogosphere – post your articles here so we can join the effort.

  241. If these are not the answers that should be provided by Big Media about what happened, whatever they give as an answer is simply ridiculous.

    By the way could someone tell me in precise terms why Big Media and Big Blogs are so biased against Hillary?

  242. Anduril919,
    My little field test is for public display at TMP-EC under the thread regarding Ned Lamont’s endorsement. My excuse for hijacking that thread was that these endorsements anyhow were just a way to drown out and conceal the Rezko story from the voters…

    If anyone care to read and you find anything worth to use, please feel free to copy and paste all you want. I’m a real scavenger myself and frequently use every link and good quip I stumble upon during my raids on the Internet. As a Hillary supporter this place is like the only place in the entire blogosphere where not everyone is waiting to cut your throat. And so I feel that we need to cooperate and share everything possible.

  243. Truthteller2007 has posted multiple links to articles discussing Obama’s unethical engagements in Chicago at Taylor Marsh’s blog. Here are the comments he or she posted in the following diary on Obama’s unscrupulous campaign tactics in 1996:




    Barbara Flynn Currie, the woman who defends Obama in the article, received the endorsement of Obama in 2006. I recall seeing his name on leaflets, and I received mail with her photograph juxtaposed with his. She is the state Representative of Hyde Park, and I believe she is an Independent who switch parties before 2006.

    Preckwinkle is the Alderwoman of the ward that includes Obama’s home. She did not tout an Obama endorsement, as she had little to no opposition during the municipal election.

    Those who desire to plumb the depths of Obama’s political record in Chicago should read this article:


    Notice Obama’s penchant for endorsing ethically challenged candidates. Also noteworthy are the endorsements he and Daley traded in January 2007.


    I should note that Cook County Board President Stroger did have a Democratic primary opponent named Claypool, who Rahm Emanuel endorsed. The machine endorsed Stroger, whose infirm condition required the machine to endorse the son of the former Cook County Board President after the primary. The machine endorsement literally occurred on Stroger père’s hospital bed, and it upset many Democrats, for Stroger fils was viewed as incompetent and corrupt. Notice Obama chose not to endorse anyone, which according to Lynn Sweet was a political calculation that belied his commitment to ethics and reform.

    Readers interested in Obama’s relation to the daley machine will find these articles instructive:




    These articles discuss the quid pro quo undergirding the mutual endorsements Obama and Daley exchanged. And notice how Obama rationalized Daley’s involvement in the Hired Truck Scandal. Also notice how Obama had to contact the Chicago Sun-Times in order to retract a critical comment he uttered about Daley in 2005. Also to be considered is the status of Daley’s brother as Chief Advisor to the Obama campaign. But notice how the machine politics work: Obama must retract statement; Obama must remain mum on a looming scandal in City Hall; Daley endorses Obama; Obama endorses Daley weeks later; Daley reminds voters of his endorsement of Obama.



  244. gegazeh..

    if you know hisstory of clintons in 90’s, you will understand why the big media are biased..

    big blogs is little more complex. most of the blogs are relatively new inn terms of age. some of them are radical left, who are still holding hillary accountable for what bill did in his centrist governing. very few of them acknowledge the political reality at that time of republican majority house and senate with which bill had to work. and then there is an entire extreme sector of naderites. these are guys who didnt know where to go after nader left them. so i hope this gives you a perspective.

  245. this doesnt sound too good-rep clyburn may endorse obama before the sc primary all bc of a fox news interview w/hillary-www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/politics/11clyburn.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print

  246. Gezahegn,
    To add to gladiatorstail’s eloquent explanation: I’ve got no substantive proof at hand but I’m positively sure that a vast majority of the so called left wing bloggers are young men. So gender, and to a lesser extent age, are very much factors too. Something they are loath to recognize of course, being all young and “radical”.

  247. TX4Hill, I do not believe this is a sign of an impending endorsement. Instead, this is a stenographer’s attempt to render an Obama campaign press release into a news story.

  248. Clyburn better not start dissin’ LBJs incredible bravery in passing the most important piece of civil rights legislation in history.

    In case he has forgotten, LBJ sacrificed the Democratic Party south of the Mason-Dixon line by ramrodding the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through Congress. That piece of legislation is THE reason that only two Democratic Presidents have been elected since LBJ. Why? Because passing that legislation was the morally correct thing to do. It was the Democratic Party’s proudest moment.

    If Clyburn wants to start trashing LBJ’s role in the Civil Rights Movement, he is going to get a LOT of pushback.

  249. the thing is if this clyburn goes for obama over a freaking fox news piece, which when u listen to the whole thing makes sense not just the clip e cites, it makes no sense. the clintons have never disparaged the civil rights leaders of this country period and have done more for blacks than most. hopefully clyburn will remain nutral but are right-black women decide this one. i hope maya has plenty of ads ready for this battle, and jackson’s wife, cong. jackson lee etc..

  250. To be fair to the young male blogosphere (well, they SOUND like young males), I happened into a long thread at TPM that seemed to be mostly non-Hillary supporters but were very reasonably and firmly taking apart an idiotic anti-Hillary comment by Obama’s National Co-Chair, JJ Jr, and calling for him to be fired. They said they opposed Hillary but had expected better things of Obama; they sounded intelligent and sincere. I think some of them might switch sides if this goes on.

  251. Sandy1938

    Please see my note at 7:58pm and pass the info on to your friends. We are sick and tired and not going to take it anymore and are pushing back. The petition is a direct result of MoDo’s column.

  252. 1950democrat,
    May I ask what your sig at TPM is? (No need to answer of course if you don’t want to.) The reason I ask is that I appreciate TPM as one of the places in the blogosphere where, just as you points out, people are usually rather civil to each other. Although the going can get rough occasionally there’s very little name calling and personal attacks and such.

  253. texan4hillary, we expect changes in SC leadership. There is a need for someone from South Carolina or with a better history of winning than the current situation.

  254. gladiatorstail wrote:

    “while you guys do the rezko thing, i will discredit msnbc debate just in case they try to poop over hillary again..”

    It’s not an either/or thing gladiatorstail. The msnbc moderators need to be exposed and forced to start vetting Obama. Russert/Matthews and the rest of the “Iron My Shirt” brigade have not vetted Obama on Rezko. That has to be a two-tier strategy: Expose Russert/Matthews hate of Hillary and protection of Obama, the Big Media Party candidate.

  255. DemDem, we were disappointed in Somersby waving the white flag with his reset bull.

    But we wrote in sadness, not anger about Bob.

    DailyHowler, has been out there for more than 8 years fighting the good fight without any real allies. We understand why Bob would get despondent and dispirited.

    We mentioned Bob even though we respect him greatly. It’s tough to call out allies when they screw up but it should be done. We do wish Bob would go after Dailykooks and assorted other PINOs but understand he has a lot on his plate.

    We wish Bob the best and he should understand that his lonely fight is succeeding. Many people read and respect Bob but have kept silent. Hillary is his best ally in the fight against Big Media and their social club and Big Media Party.

    We’re glad Bob is feeling better.

  256. Chickadees,

    This rolling block party has moved on to the next site and Admin has some tasty morsels laid out on the table for us to chew on.

    Come on over.

  257. Here is the draft of a letter I am thinking about sending to the President of MSNBC. Comments welcome. Will post at TM too.

    Dear Mr. Abrahams,

    I am a supporter of MSNBC who has lost confidence in the integrity of your network. I have watched with growing frustration as certain pundits in your employ attempt to hijack this election. I have seen people like Tim Russert use his program as a bully pulpit to savage Hillary Clinton, and fawn over Barack Obama. I have witnessed Chris Matthews spew forth indecent comments about Hillary every night. And, I have watched Howard Fineman predict the imminent collapse of the Clinton campaign only to be proven wrong. Hillary may not complain about this herself, but as an independent voter I certainly can. And so can many others. This is advocacy journalism run riot.

    The New Hampshire election results are in many respects a repudiation of the pundits. It was clear from the exit polls that voters of all ages and both genders detest the way Big Media in general and MSNBC in particular have brutalized the only female candidate in this race. What’s more, they resent being instructed how to vote or being told that the election is over before it has even begun. Thus, they applauded when the results came in and the pundits were shown to have feet of clay. But instead of learning something from this teachable moment, your pundits saw fit to dismiss the election results as racist. They preferred to blame the voters and fabricate an explanation rather than admit the obvious fact that Hillary is the candidate the people wanted.

    Why in the world do they do these things—those fine pundits of yours? If you read the book The Vision of The Anointed by Thomas Sowell you will find the answer. Your pundits tend to share a particular vision which reflects their up-scale life experiences, expectations and interests—but is utterly irrelevant to the lot of most Americans. Nevertheless, they pursue their vision with missionary zeal. Using their media platform, they attack those who stand in their way, paint them as ignorant or malicious, and reject empirical feedback from reality. That is the modus operandi we have seen from Big Media throughout this primary. And, it is a serious affront to the concept of democracy.

    To be clear, the shared vision of your most outspoken pundits is to elect a black president with negligible qualifications. They see this as a transcendent goal which must be achieved. No one is more expositive on that point than your own Chris Matthews. For my part, I believe that Americans would gladly accept an African American president if they felt that he had the experience, judgment and moral courage which the job requires. But we believe those qualities are conspicuously absent in Mr. Obama for a number of reasons. And while we can understand politics based on defined needs and interests, we are suspicious of politics based on the cult of personality and inspirational speeches. In essence, we are unwilling to play Russian roulette with the future of our county. Thus, when we reject Mr. Obama for those reasons it is a matter of sound judgment–not racism as your own Eugene Robinson suggests.

    By contrast, the shared vision of most ordinary Americans is different. We want a president who is qualified to solve the immense problems facing our country at a pivotal moment in history. This takes far more than hope–it takes serious commitment. And, it requires experience, judgment and moral courage. When we look at Hillary Clinton we find the very qualities which the job requires. She has demonstrated them time and again throughout her career. And, they were on conspicuous display in New Hampshire this week when she alone turned adversity into triumph. This was a classic example of the crisis management skills a president must have to protect the country in perilous times.

    Did your pundits report this? To some extent they did. But they were more interested in telling the world that on the prior day in a moment of exhaustion Hillary’s eyes welled up in response to a personal question. I looked at the tape and did not see it myself. But I did notice tears in the eyes of Tim Russert when the early election returns came in. And we all saw Obama deliver a concession speech with the song “Signed Sealed and Delivered” blaring in the room by some unfortunate mishap. The point is simply that bad things happen in any campaign, but the only time Big Media reports them is when they happen to Hillary. Fundamentally, that is dishonest journalism.

    As your own Dana Milbank told Howard Kurtz at Media Matters: “The press will savage her no matter what.” But the pundits quickly forget that many millions of Americans strongly support Hillary because of her leadership qualities and because they believe the election of the first woman president is an equally transcendent goal. They wonder why Big Media is not just as excited about that possibility. And they cannot understand why your the pundits are determined to prevent it.

    If attack journalism against the female candidate is the official policy of MSNBC then there is nothing more to be said. That is precisely what has occurred up to now, and many people are upset. As viewers, voters and consumers we have options. You on the other hand are President, the reputation of your network is at issue, and time is of the essence. Under the circumstances immediate steps should be taken to ensure that all candidates are treated fairly and given an equal degree of scrutiny on their qualifications to be President. The gold standard I am suggesting is the one you, Craig Crawford and Pat Buchanan practice on a daily basis. Others must be held accountable to that standard as well

  258. DemAC Says:
    January 11th, 2008 at 3:49 am
    May I ask what your sig at TPM is?

    I’m not sure I ever managed to sign up there, but wherever I do sign up I use 1950democrat or “Old Democrat”. On the thread I was praising, I may have just lurked.

    Oddly I’m seeing some of the serious civility standard at mydd and kos also, but I don’t spend much time at any of them. I like taylormarsh and here.

    I have a lot of research notes at

  259. 1950democrat,
    OK. It’s always good to know friends and foes in the blogosphere.

    Without Taylor Marsh and Hillary is 44 though, the hostility would sometimes be overwhelming I’m afraid.

  260. WBB

    president of MSNBC or President of MSNBC?

    I don’t really know…don’t have a style manual anymore to look it up and you’ve written a a book about mgt style, so have probably talked about corporate presidents plenty, plenty.

    Just a question 8)

  261. I hope the campaign will have Cisneros visit Las Vegas in the next few days. He could be helpful in pulling culinary workers away from Obama.

    Rove says Michigan is unimportant because of DNC decision no delegates. But the psychological impact is important. If that were not the case then Bambi supporter Conyers would never have suggested not voting in protest of DNC.

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