Hillary Clinton Versus ‘Sophie’s Choice’ Health Care

Hillary Clinton has a UNIVERSAL health care plan — all Americans are covered.

Barack Obama has a health care scheme that leaves out 15 million Americans.

Hillary Clinton asks a substantive question to Obama: Who would you leave out?

The former first lady used Isabella’s story to illustrate her opposition to rival Barack Obama’s health care plan, which she claims would leave 15 million people without coverage. Obama has repeatedly said his plan is comprehensive.

“Who do we leave out?” Clinton asked the 150 Iowans huddled in the restored 19th century Simpson Barn in suburban Des Moines Monday. “Shannon’s daughter Isabella? She has a deteriorating condition — should we leave her out?”

Obama is offering a Sophie’s Choice health care scheme which abandons 15 million Americans — but Obama deceptively says he is offering a Hillary type UNIVERSAL health care plan. Little wonder that Paul Krugman wrote: Which brings me to a big worry about Mr. Obama: in an important sense, he has in effect become the anti-change candidate.”

Obama is mailing a deceptive mail piece to voters to deceive voters into believing Obama offers a health care plan which does not abandon 15 million Americans to the land of the uninsured:

With health care as the subject of much of the overt conflict between Clinton and Obama, he’s got his harshest mailing of the cycle, which aims both to make his case on policy grounds and to attack Clinton for attacking.

The deceptive Obama mailer can be viewed HERE (PDF file format)

The Hillary Clinton campaign has responded to Obama’s deceptive claims mailed to voters. Like Obama’s previous attacks on Paul Krugman, Obama quotes selectively in order to deceive voters:

Sen. Barack Obama is sending mail in New Hampshire attacking Hillary on health care and falsely claiming that his health care plan covers everyone.

The mailer selectively excerpts a passage from The Washington Post. The full quote actually explains that experts believe 15 million people would not be covered under Sen. Obama’s plan and describes who those people are:

Experts say that without a mandate, many Americans would still not have health insurance, and the picture of who those millions are is an interesting one.

So the 15 million people without insurance under Obama’s plan would be a combination of relatively well-off people who choose not to purchase health insurance and people who qualify for public programs like Medicaid who don’t sign up. It could be a struggle for Clinton to find someone who wants health insurance but doesn’t qualify under the Obama plan, because it’s not clear such a person exists.

Most health care experts want those 15 million to get health insurance even if they aren’t asking for it, a point Clinton nodded to when she said Medicare, the health program for the elderly, works in part because “everybody is required to be in.”

Experts agree that Sen. Obama’s plan leaves 15 million people without health insurance. It’s telling that misrepresenting The Washington Post, which also has editorialized that Sen. Obama’s plan would leave at least 15 million without coverage, is the best the Obama campaign can do to support their position.

The mailer also claims that Hillary previously praised Obama’s plan. Actually, Hillary has noted that Obama’s plan would fail to cover every American since the day he announced it. From the New York Times:

Rival Democrats, recognizing the stakes on this signature issue, responded quickly, arguing that because Mr. Obama would not require every American to have insurance, it is not a true universal health plan. Neera Tanden, policy director for Mrs. Clinton — who had earlier delivered an economic policy speech to compete with Mr. Obama’s — welcomed Mr. Obama to the health care debate. Ms. Tanden added, “Senator Clinton believes that in addition to making healthcare more accessible, we have to achieve true universal health care so that every American has health care coverage.”

The Obama campaign is pointing to the following remark to argue that Hillary “praised” his health care plan from an August 4 debate: “We are all in favor of universal health care.” Hillary still believes that all the democrats want universal health care. Obama has just introduced a plan that leaves 15 million people out

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The mailer also says that “experts” agree with him. But he doesn’t cite a single health care expert. Why? Health care experts agree with Hillarywithout a mandate millions are left out.

Hillary’s health care plan covers all Americans.

Hillary has already helped children get health care and members of the National Guard get health care.

While others talk with flowery words, Hillary gets things done.

Hillary knows when to stand her ground and when to find common ground.

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191 thoughts on “Hillary Clinton Versus ‘Sophie’s Choice’ Health Care

  1. Agreed MJ. The Clinton campaign is really starting to roll. She’s up by 16 in today’s Rasmussen tracking poll (up 8 points from just 6 days ago).

    I love the new paid Clinton ads on DKos, too.

  2. Berkeley Vox, it’s sweet. I can’t believe Kos and Brooks have the same candidate. Hysterical. Kos has graduated to the media establishment. Obama is the media establishment candidate.

  3. Sorry, carrying this forward:

    Josh Marshall answered me:

    “Actually my mother died when I was young. So, I’m not a fan of jokes at her expense.”

    To which I answered back:

    “Actually, Josh, I could not possibly have known that, and for that I apologize and I am sorry that you did not get to know her into your adulthood.

    “As a mother of five, two of which are daughters, and grandmother of nine, two of which are girls, I can honestly say that I found your attempt at humor insulting to me and all women. When you insult and belittle one woman you insult and belittle us all.”

  4. There’s a new Iowa Poll from Insider Advantage showing the following for likely voters
    Edwards 29.8
    Clinton 26.4
    Obama 24.3

    When narrowed down to Highly likely voters we get
    Obama 26.6
    Edwards 26
    Clinton 23.8

    However do make sure to check the internals because they don’t add up. Based on the age and gender breakdown provided, Hillary’s numbers rise while Barack’s fall. I suspect that someone transposed some numbers in the internal table and that the overall numbers are correct. Otherwise, if we just add the gender and/or age breakdowns for likely voters Obama would be at around 19% which seems way too low, as much as don’t like him. Maybe we should look into this, at least to ensure we get the correct internals

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/InsiderAdvantage_Majority_Opinion_Democratic_Iowa_caucus_poll.html

  5. ADMIN:

    Bravo!!!! Great message. Who gets to choose who lives or dies? Which of our loved ones deserves to fall into the “15 million” who will have no coverage under Obama’s compromise?

    Americans have been losing the battle against profiteering insurance companies for too long. We deserve bettter than a compromise on the issue, as Obama is proposing.

    When Americans go to the polls, I believe they will want healthcare for all. And Hillary is the mother of universal healthcare, and her current plan covers everyone.

  6. I feel like alot of the men are panicking. There are some women in the other clubs, but nearly half on all women primary voters support Hillary, despite the eight person race. With Matthews, Brooks, Cizilla, Novak, Klein, etc., I sense these men are in crisis.

  7. Sandy,

    “Who gets to choose who lives or dies?”

    That is precisely Hillary’s point. She has been saying – this is one of the reason why she is for Universal health care. Because, who decides who should be covered and who shouldn’t be?

  8. I am not sure about accuracy of this Iowa poll, but it is good for us in two ways.

    Edwards : 29.8
    Clinton : 26.4
    Obama : 24.3

    the poll may be balooney, but lets go further into the numbers.

    18-29 age group

    Obama : 35.3
    Hillary: 26.5
    Edwards : 17.6

    which is consistent with what we here in the media. but guess what. almost a third of his support comes from one or two precincts (assuming most of the students will caucus in university town)

    30-44 : Obama and Edwards tie. these are the anti-clinton crop lived through 90’s. if they caucus, they will definitely not go for Hillary, even as second choice. But look at the staggering 35%. which means they share the same second choice. Hillary will get NONE of them, but then they will be caucusing for Obama or Edwards, so their second choices wont matter.

    44+: she and Edwards trash Obama even in second choice. Thats the MOST RELIABLE age group of voters for primaries.

    Now, coming to student votes, there is a very likely possibility that the participation will be less, because its Holiday season, after new years and stuff like that. overall, the poll might be nonsense unless we see the trend, but internals are solid for Hillary.she will kick ass in Iowa.

  9. Gladiatorstail–great post. I analyze and reanalyze the prospects but I think the great unknowns in Iowa are will those young voters really turn out and if so where will they caucus. Surely college students would be required to caucus in rather few concentrated areas.

  10. this all sounds right. I can only see either an HRC victory or an Edwards victory here in iowa. I cannot see people electing obama because he is unelectable and he is not coming down from his pedestal to regular people’s level.

  11. I just read Digby and she cites some of the wisdom of Rush. Apparently, women do not age well and the presidency ages people rapidly so clearly no one wants to have to watch a woman age before our eyes. AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

  12. True DemHawk. I wouldn’t expect anything less so the idea that these guys will tread lightly with Obama is unimaginable.

    Hey hawk, did your finals go well? Moms have to ask.

  13. gladiatorstail, i would be ESTATIC if edwards win the iowa cuacus if hillary can’t win. better if obama loses it. edwards will be out of the race the day after feb 5th.

  14. Re: photo

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it was photoshopped. I have a picture that I took up close, and I just don’t see how the transformation could take place.

  15. With Matthews it takes more than one day to make a trend. Just because he trashed her little less compared to yesterday does not mean anything. That is a gutter show with nothing more than a horse race with primary focus being using anything to trash Clintons.

  16. Drudge has a very slimy attack against Edwards as the front page story. It’s disgusting. There is plenty to be unhappy with Edwards about but these sex attacks are particularly vile.

  17. thats about right Hawk. and the thing is, Obama has centred his entire strategy on attacking Hillary through cheap shots. He has no strategy for Edwards. Hillary doesnt care about Edwards because he is not a threat to her in northeast or northwest which is her bastion. Edwards might do well in some states down south, if he wins Iowa and NH, Obama has to go on offensive on Edwards, but he will then have to rely on reagan democrats, who are not receptive of his message of hope.

    They fight, she wins. They fight with her, she ignores and gets her message across. Edwards will keep attacking Hillary though, because he wants to consolidate anti-Hillary vote. But he will not get the 18-29 vote, because this demographic will fight for their leader Obama with all hearts. They are supporters of real change and hope, and they see through Edwards hollow bells. if any, the new video is an indication of how clearly they see through him.

    Edwards ONLY mistake was not going after Obama earlier, but now he is Johny come too late, and he doesnt have strategy after Iowa. Iowa bounce will get him closer in NH, but that will strip away only independent votes. NH democrats have been steadily 35-40% with Hillary. they love bubba and his loyalty to NH. NH will be wall for Hillary and SC will be wall for Obama. After that, Edwards has no money and Obama has no momentum. Forgot to add, they both crash in NV to Hillary though.

    so here is my prediction

    Iowa : Edwards 1st, Hillary 2nd, Obama 3rd
    NH : Hillary 1st, Obama or Edwards 2nd or 3rd (depending on how independents move)
    SC : Obama 1st, Hillary 2nd, Edwards 3rd (because Hillary will be weakened by white voters because of Edwards momentum)
    NV: Hillary 1st, Obama 2nd, Edwards 3rd

    and super tuesday, it would be Hillary sweep by HUGE margins.

  18. Looks like Obama has peaked and the polls are shifting into Edwards’s favor in Iowa. Among highly likely voters, Hillary is now third. I just hope Hillary’s team does not go for broke in Iowa. It is not worth it.

  19. gladiatorstail, that plan is on the mark. either way hillary wins. ya know people complain hillary’s voice is shrill. what about when edwards yells? he is annoying!!!!

  20. ra1029, im conflicted on that. i would love for hillary blow the budget and win iowa but it is far from a sure thing there. she might have hit a wall.

  21. Taylor has post up and that includes the link to a virulent anti-hillary movie created by a right winger in which the opening remarks were taken from Obama’s attack on Hillary.

    The movie is vicious and repulsive. Any of the democrats will have to go through these rightwing hate mongers to win the presidency. Obama and Edwards don’t have a clue what they are up against in the general.

  22. Well, my choices for the “shrillest” in the dem candidates!

    Dodd
    Edwards
    Kucinich – I love his though! It is passionate!

    All others are fine!

  23. Read and Enjoy:

    Top Five Reasons Obama Fails to Inspire
    By John Fout
    TheStreet.com Political Correspondent
    12/17/2007 12:31 PM EST
    URL: http://www.thestreet.com/markets/marketfeatures/10394839.html

    The media coverage for Sen. Barack Obama (D., Ill.) has been overwhelmingly positive from the moment he spoke at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. It’s been so glowing, in fact, that it’s hard to tell how much of his message of hope is real and how much has just been manufactured by doting reporters.

    That’s all very nice. But I hate buying into the superficial coverage of this candidate. So, I’ve decided to submit the top five reasons Obama fails to inspire me.

    1. The Politics of Hope
    Following the release of his bestseller, The Audacity of Hope, Obama carefully chose hope as the theme for his presidential campaign. His often speaks of a dream of uniting America’s political divide.

    While this is a laudable goal, it may also be an unattainable one. You need two to tango. The Republicans happen to have a particular strength that Democrats lack: unity. Despite the Democratic takeover of Congress in 2006, Republicans have frustrated almost every policy initiative proposed by the Democrats.

    Obama has suggested that the divisiveness in Washington stems from the struggle of the 1960s. This is naïve. Aside from times of national crisis when Americans come together, politics has always been a divisive affair. Why would that change?

    I don’t believe the Republicans will embrace Obama; rather, they might eat him alive. Obama merely has to ask John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter about dealing with Republicans.

    Obama, you can’t hope for change; you must fight for it.

    2. Obama Has Not Won a Tough Contest
    Many political pundits think the Democrats are a lock to win the presidency, but much can happen in the next year. A big concern I have about Obama is his ability to win in a difficult contest. How will he hold up in a tough fight?

    Obama managed to avoid a struggle in his last election for Senate in 2004. His first opponent, Jim Ryan, pulled out of the contest following the release of sordid details from his divorce papers. Next came Alan Keyes. Keyes, who is not from Illinois, proved a simple test for Obama and was blown out without a contest.

    In fact, Obama has only faced one difficult battle — one he lost. He ran for Congress in 2000 against an incumbent, Rep. Bobby Rush (D., Ill.), whom Obama and his staff perceived to be in a poor position after Rush was beaten badly in a mayoral race.

    Observers of that race note that Obama underestimated Rush. Obama was an unknown commodity and faced an uphill struggle the entire way, receiving only 30% of the votes. Obama’s inexperience hurt him.

    While there’s no exact parallel to this race, it does raise questions about Obama’s experience and his ability to run a long campaign. I still remember an inexperienced John Edwards in the 2004 vice presidential debate against Dick Cheney. Cheney cleaned Edwards’ clock.

    3. Failure to Lead on Iraq War
    Obama has made much of his speech in Chicago in 2002 opposing the Iraq war. In that speech, he famously commented: “I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.” He words were prescient and might have been laudable if he’d followed up with action.

    Obama has tried to use this speech to separate himself from Democrats who voted for the war. No other presidential candidates, including Hillary Clinton and Edwards, opposed the war in 2002.

    But war protesters have not been able to count on Obama as a steady supporter. During his ballyhooed speech at the 2004 Democratic convention, he failed to use the platform to decry the war. He followed to form. He strongly supported John Kerry and set the stage for his present run with these famous words

    : Hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the audacity of hope: In the end, that is God’s greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation, a belief in things not seen, a belief that there are better days ahead.
    Obama was also asked in 2004 how he would have voted on the Iraq resolution if he had been in the Senate. He said: “What would I have done? I don’t know.” Since arriving in the Senate, Obama and Clinton have had identical votes on Iraq.

    Obama failed to lead on his opposition to the war.

    4. Conservative Talking Points
    Democratic activists hate it when fellow Democrats use GOP talking points to discuss an issue, because it suggests surrendering the battlefield, which is half the battle. Obama has been guilty of this on several notable occasions.

    This summer, Obama and Clinton tussled over foreign affairs. Obama said that as president, he would meet with Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Clinton promptly criticized Obama for legitimizing cruel dictators without qualifying an agenda. Obama fired back by suggesting Clinton’s foreign policy was a version of “Bush-Cheney lite,” an assertion that hasn’t held water with Democrats or Republicans.

    In the last couple of months, Obama has embraced several conservative talking points on two big topics: health care and Social Security.

    Critics of Obama, including the champion of progressives, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, question his health plan because it lacks a universal mandate. Echoing his conservative peers, Obama insists a mandate remains unenforceable.

    Obama also used a conservative talking point on Social Security, insisting that it’s a crisis that needs immediate attention. This is not true. The Social Security Trust Fund would run out in 2046, as I wrote in a recent column. Krugman spoke out about Obama’s plans and was surprised when the Obama campaign released misleading information in his statements.

    These missteps are a no-no for progressives.

    5. Obama Takes Black Voters for Granted
    Pundits have commented that Obama is the first black presidential candidate with a realistic chance to win. This makes me wonder why he appears to take black voters for granted.

    This biggest instance arose when a controversy erupted over the Jena Six. The six were black teenagers charged with crimes after an attack on a white student in response to white students hanging a noose on tree in Jena, La. No white students were charged after the noose incident, and many felt this demonstrated unequal treatment. The black community raised funds for the six students’ legal defense, and as many as 20,000 people marched in protest.

    Obama chose not to attend the rallies, though his campaign did issue a statement calling for fairness and re-examination of the criminal justice system. Former presidential candidate Jesse Jackson — an Obama supporter — reportedly said of Obama’s decision: “He’s acting like he’s white.” I suspect Jackson said what many people thought at the time.

    It seems like Obama chose not to take up the mantle of past civil rights leaders by not joining the Jena Six protest. It was a unique moment for Obama to show support for the black community. The question will be whether or not it will be seen as a make-or-break moment for black voters.

    Obama’s wife, Michelle, made comments a few months ago on MSNBC that seem typical of how the campaign thinks. Speaking about the black vote, she said: “Black America will wake up.” She continued: “There’s a natural fear of possibility” and “always doubt in the minds of people of color.”

    Presently, polls show that Obama and Clinton split the black vote approximately 50-50.

    There’s no doubt Obama is an excellent candidate for president, and he may even present a historic win. But before that can happen, he must explain to Democrats why he doesn’t want to continue the fights of the 1960s — included battles over civil rights, the antiwar movement, expansion of Social Security and expanding health care (Medicare). Many Democrats passionately believe in these issues.

  24. I like John of street.com. He has some sense. he has no dog in the fight. I actually think he is apolotical, based on his previous article. He has some good insights on housing market too, if y’all want to know.

  25. Hold on to your stomachs.

    Sam Stein at Huff post has a video of Obama attacking — Ted Kennedy in 2003. Obama calls Ted “old”. He also says that Ted Kennedy – yup Ted Kennedy should get some “spine”. Maybe Obama does not know or purposely attacked Kennedy knowing of Ted Kennedy’s accident when he broke his back. Ted Kennedy in traction has more spine than Obama can ever imagine. Check out the video too.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/18/obama-called-out-ted-kenn_n_77337.html

    While on the campaign trail, Sen. Barack Obama’s constant refrain has been that on legislative matters of great import, he is the one major candidate who could bring all parties to the table. Health care? Hillary has too much baggage. Energy policy? Edwards would alienate the business community.

    But back when he was an Illinois State Senator in 2003, Obama himself was thirsting for a fight. And when it came to a prescription drug bill being considered by Congress, he was willing to call out even Sen. Ted Kennedy, the liberal lion, for not showing enough political backbone.

    “We’ve got to call up not just Republicans,” said the Illinois Democrat, “but we got to call up Ted Kennedy and say, Ted, you’re getting a little old now, and you’ve been a fighter for us before I don’t know what’s happening now, Ted get some spine and stand up to the Republicans.”

    Watch the video, obtained exclusively by the Huffington Post:

  26. Axelrod goes after his former client John R. Edwards:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2007/12/say-what.html

    Obama senior adviser David Axelrod this week on how John Edwards is new to the issue of lobbying reform, as opposed to Obama who worked on the Senate ethics reform bill.

    Axelrod: “I can’t think of one thing like that, that Senator Edwards did in the Senate.”

    Then-Edwards senior adviser David Axelrod on CNN, March 2004: “Washington is run by the special interests today … John Edwards ran headlong into it when he led the fight for the patients bill of rights against the insurance industry in the Senate. He has never taken a dime from lobbyists or PACs. He said, let’s ban lobbyist money, so you can’t give people a bill to pass in the day and a check at night. And that’s how we’re going to start changing the culture in Washington. But you have to be able to do that. That’s a fundamental difference between these candidates. Senator (John) Kerry accepts that lobbyist money. And we’re trying to change that.”

  27. Hey Y’all, to Abrams credit on MSNBC he got after Rush for his hit on Hillary. Showed a pic of reagan at age 77. Hillary would only be 68 or 69 at the end of two terms, I think. And since she seems very healthy and fit I wouldn’t have any concerns. There was a commentator who was talkin’ all about his concerns with Reagan near the end of his last term but by then he had Alztheimer’s. We know more about aging that we’ve ever before and if you’re healthy 70 ain’t that old. Re BO’s comments on Teddy, words like those will come back to haunt. He should remember that and not be so nasty now.

  28. by the way, the pic they showed of Hillary, I think it was photoshopped. This was on the segment where they talked about rush’s comment.

  29. I’m surprised no one has posted here about Ken Burns endorsing Obama. I just saw it on yahoo.

    BTW, anyone find it coincidental that as the first poll in months shows Edwards ahead in Iowa there’s this story on Drudge? Who has the most to lose in Iowa from this? Maybe the guy who’s been portrayed as the frontrunner there? Hmmm…

  30. just got back from our local GOTV meeting. an enormous amount of work to be done in the next 21 days, but we are psyched.

    hawk – the boss is back in town friday, so we get to steal her from iowa, if only for a day. can’t wait to see her..especially with her restored “attitude”. 🙂

    anyone need a yard sign?

  31. Someone made this prediction in the comments section of NYTimes caucus blog. I am posting here because I found the last prediction funny.

    Prediction for Iowa:

    1) Hillary beats Obama and Edwards
    2) Obama comes in third
    3) Chris Matthews quits MSNBC and joins the Obama campaign for the Feb 5 contests

    — Posted by Godwill Tachi

  32. Media Matters headlines with its months-long evaluation of Matthews’ comments on his Hillary v. Giuliani and finds that he made 82 negative statements about Hillary compared to 10 positive. He made 28 positive comments about Giuliani compared to 8 negative. This must be the reason for Matthews’ marginal restraint today.

    I love that The Street article.

  33. What is disturbing to me about the Edwards story is that there was that well circulated report this summer by a journalist who was asked by someone from the Obama team if anyone had information on Bill Clinton cheating again. I hope this is just an attempt by the tabloids to sell more newspapers and not a new low in the smear wars..

  34. Am I missing something with the Insider Advantage Poll?

    I’m getting:

    Obama: 27
    Edwards: 26
    Clinton: 24

    The rest of you are showing Edwards on top, followed by Clinton.

  35. From Taegan Goddard:

    The unexpected skirmish in Iowa yesterday between Sen. Barack Obama and John Edwards, as reported by the Des Moines Register, was likely about a change in momentum in the Democratic presidential race.

    In fact, David Yepsen noted it may suggest Obama’s “internal polls are showing the Illinois senator has peaked.” Now, a public poll shows Edwards back in the lead with Obama in third place.

    First Read wonders if Obama “is worrying that 1) Edwards is doing well in second-choice polling, or 2) doing well in some of the more rural parts of the state — places where Obama thinks he could do well if it weren’t for Edwards.”

  36. Paula, I agree about the suspicious part. By the way, this story is zipping it’s way around the internet tonight. I think that Edwards will need to address it once the Enquirer hits the stands in the next day or two–these tabloid things become big in a hurry. Also, do you think there is a chance it is true?

  37. “The real obstacle to health care reform isn’t the substance of our plans, it’s the smallness of our politics.” (from the obama flyer.)

    well if that isn’t about the silliest thing I ever heard! who believes that? what does that even mean? #1 substance matters, #2 well you know i don’t buy the argument that politics will magically de-small-ify itself through obama’s attack flyers.

    and reading the rest of it – it’s all about attacking hillary for negative attacks? the ironing is delicious. voters aren’t stupid. i mean, i read it and thought, there must be a problem with his plan, he protests too much.

  38. the timing is fishy on the edwards story. my instinct is that it’s garbage although enquirer far as i know tends to be accurate, because they have been sued, but this is likely one of their splashy ‘truthiness’ headlines for a story that doesn’t say what the cover implies.

    if anyone pushed this it would absolutely benefit obama, it is better for hillary to have edwards a contender in the race. it’s not like obama hasn’t won primaries before by torpedoing opponents over personal life allegations. very fishy.

  39. another_reader, I think the Enquirer benefits from celebrities not bothering to sue because they don’t want to bring attention to the smear in the first place.

  40. yeah i figured people would try and blame the clintons.

    but the plain truth is, edwards and obama each want to be the “alternative to hillary” candidate, and as long as both stay in, hillary beats them both easily. but if edwards sinks, obama gets to play that role, which is exactly what he wants, it gives him a much better chance in the race. it does not help hillary one bit if edwards tanks, quite the opposite.

  41. imagine44 Says:

    December 18th, 2007 at 10:50 pm
    hillary was just here in chicago, guys and terry mc just dropped a bombshell!!! illinois is not hussein-country, after all (it never was).

    i new that was true ..having lotts uncles cousins aunts all live in chicago…

  42. it is about how much she has in her coffers as of today, i don’t know if i can divulge it here (such a tease, ain’t i?) because they usually save that news for the end of the quarter but boy, it was impressive. terry looked back at her and said “did you imagine we’d be able to collect this much?” believe me, it is a lot of money!

  43. my family about in october ,i talk with aunt on the phone and she said that bo was never around,and crook..lol…they are in chi town..very well known people,who run bussiness there,they support Hill.all the way down the block

  44. terry also mentioned that today is the last day of fundraising (maybe only in chicago..i didn’t completely understand because of the applause) and that we have raised a lot for her campaign…some $1mil for the day…

  45. filbert, we beat down some numbers on that poll in previous posts. you might wanna have a look.

    Paula, the story does appear suspicious. It is by and large dirty job of Obama. for following reasons I think.

    1) Get Edwards out of his way
    2) Obama has a history of doing this
    3) Remind voters about Bill’s personal life
    4) do another Hillary camp is doing this kind of hitjob

    The story out there serves all these purposes. However, it is not in our interest to push the story because it doesnt benefit us in any way. Obama can blame our camp, but people know, our camp wont do it because we have much more to lose with these sleezy allegations. It is between Obama and Edwards to resolve. so I guess we should leave the story at that.

    I am still waiting on imagines chicago story! 🙂

  46. cj, were they there tonight? danny solis spoke and so did alice walker (the one hussein screwed over)…it was awesome, people of all colors were there…saw a friend’s mom who was a republican…she said she switcheched over just because of hil

  47. ok, gladiator…the event was at the hyatt downtown…we were there around six, there were a lot of people in one of the ballrooms…the hillstaff were all so nice…she arrived around 7pm, so fresh and pretty (no photoshopping here!)…

  48. Did anyone read Dana Milbank’s column entitled “Hillary, We Thoroughly Knew Ye?” It’s a bit tongue-in-cheek. It’s signature Milbank. I’ve always liked his appearances on Olbermann. He takes the nastiness out of politics by injecting humor and irony.

    It’s funny. It jabs Hillary (in a teasing way) for having such difficulty time talking about herself. Each time she attempts to reveal something personal, the policy wonk-side of her gets in the way.

    “Aides promised that she would continue to talk about the personal — and for a brief moment, she did. “My dad,” she said, “believed in people fending for themselves and taking whatever they could to get a better life. And my mother believed in reaching out and helping people and being compassionate, and so I was lucky that I got all those values.”

    But enough about me, she decided. In a flash, she was proclaiming: “Thank goodness for the children’s health insurance program!” Moments later, she whipped out a piece of paper to list her specific proposals. “I’ll have a moratorium for 90 days on foreclosures,” she said, ‘then I want to have a five-year freeze on the mortgage rates.’

    Now, that’s The Hillary We Know.”

    Funny stuff.

    The three journalist who I think have been very fair to Hillary are Craig Crawford, Dana Milbank and Chris Cilizza.

  49. Someone posted this today in the comments section of NYTimes blog. I am not sure what to make of this. Is this the results from the first day of polling by Rasmussen that is not yet posted on their website? I am not sure but looked interesting.

    ————————–

    19.December 18th,
    2007
    11:53 am Go Hllary !!

    New Iowa poll: Romney, Clinton lead, Rudy a poor fourth. Some interesting results from the first Rasmussen Reports poll out of Iowa today:

    Mitt Romney still leads the Republican field by six points (25%) while Hillary Clinton leads her Democratic competitors (33%) by nearly twice as much, 11 points.

    — Posted by Joe Stebbins
    ——————-

  50. terry mc spoke first (i read his book so i like the guy) and he mentioned the SCOOP…then it was hill’s turn to speak…went thru her usual stump speeches (or variations thereof)…but people were applauding at the right places…

  51. she saw a 90+ lady and told the “pacemaker” joke, which went well…then she shook hands on the way to the exit…she was mobbed!…people were trying to shake her hand, which she did…saw ms. aberin(?) behind her on the way out…

  52. it was a mostly professional crowd…all age groups/races were well represented…she seemed subdued/tired (can you imagine how her days have been lately?)…the crowd loved her…

  53. i bet there were so glad to see her,she is native a Illinois…and her family way back when.. she has core support there..

  54. whoa good crowd,i bet you were proud of her,she was in iowa this morning the woman never stops,energy to the Hiltz..well to the hyatt

  55. admin:

    This is a must read. This is what we have been complaining about all this time. Thank you, Mark Halperin and Howard Kurtz, for pointing out the bias in the coverage!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/18/AR2007121802184.html/?hpid=topnews

    Here is a small snippet from that article.

    Clinton’s senior advisers have grown convinced that the media deck is stacked against them, that their candidate is drawing far harsher scrutiny than Barack Obama. And at least some journalists agree.

    “She’s just held to a different standard in every respect,” says Mark Halperin, Time’s editor at large. “The press rooted for Obama to go negative, and when he did he was applauded. When she does it, it’s treated as this huge violation of propriety.” While Clinton’s mistakes deserve full coverage, Halperin says, “the press’s flaws — wild swings, accentuating the negative — are magnified 50 times when it comes to her. It’s not a level playing field.”

  56. Thanks for the news, imagine44! I don’t have any close friend Chicagoans, but I have one aquaintance who is an attorney there, doing mostly low-income inner city work, and she’s mentioned that she does not like him at all. At all. We are not close enough that she ever elaborated.

    I do worry about Hillary, though, at this pace. I hope she gets some rest.

  57. i know that she had that “i’m too tired but i still have to do this look”, i hope she rested after that event. in a way, i felt sorry for her to go through this and get vilified by the media. but when she talked about her mother, i then really understood what she is doing.

  58. i’ve always known that both her and bill are do-gooders, but now i understand the core of what she has been doing: her mother who had a difficult life and hill is making sure that every child will not ever have to go through that…that with a life as blessed as hers, she has to give back.

  59. ra1029, I thought this statement was the most revealing:

    “Some reporters confess that they are enjoying Clinton’s slippage, if only because it enlivens what had become a predictable narrative of her cruising to victory. The prospect of a newcomer knocking off a former first lady is one heck of a story. ”

    So the David vs Goliath narrative is more important for these reporters than choosing the right person to lead the country in this difficult time.

  60. If ABC correspondent David Gregory had done his homework and vetted Obama in the first place then there would be no need for him to ask Hillary what Bill Clinton meant when he said it would be rolling the dice to select Obama. The answer would be obvious even to him, unless he was trying for a Russert gottcha.

    I fondly remember David Gregory on stage in a tuxedeo at the National Press Club rap dancing with Carl Rove, and proving to anyone who could stomach the spectacle that white men can’t jump or dance. But as with journalism it did not stop him from trying.

  61. so you guys think that pic of jre,you think he will say something…do you know how many people pick that up 40 to 80 years old….it comes out tommorrow enq minds lol…

  62. cj, you mean hil or my friend’s mom?…hil’s family lived in park ridge…my friend’s mom’s house is in berteau…a very beautiful neighborhood in the city…

  63. i visted last 2006,for a month they took me every where and seen lotts ..and then went back in july this year…for 2weeks

  64. So the David vs Goliath narrative is more important for these reporters than choosing the right person to lead the country in this difficult time.

    I would prefer if the media just covered the campaign events. It’s amazing to me to attend a political rally and then read the NY Times article, pulling one sentence out of a 45 minute speech…almost always out of context.

    For example, how can the media be surprised that Hillary would ask former Presidents to play a role representing the United States around the globe? She’s only said it in every stump speech for the last ten months!

  65. hilfortex, your friend is right…for hussein to talk about “new” politics, look at who his political friends are here in illinois and you will know just how dirty he is…

  66. cj, i live across the street from soldier’s field stadium…yep, i like my neighborhood…our mayor lives a couple of blocks from me so there’s always a police car by his place…

  67. The Edwards “scandal” may actually help him. Voters usually reject sleazy tabloid stories, and politicians whose personal lives are dragged through the mud — especially if the story isn’t true — can see voters rally around them. I can envision Edwards giving strong speeches, where he says stuff like, “this is the kind of politics that I am campaigning against. I will never let these baseless attacks get in the way of my work for the American people,” etc. If voters rally around that message, he could climb, and draw support away from Obama. It’s all so speculative still, though, so who really knows.

  68. BV, I think you are right but that scenario will only work if the story turns out to be false. If there is any shred of truth it will be a whole different matter. Someone here suggested that this will just play out between Obama and Edwards. I hope that is the case. Perhaps this won’t get into the media much as it’s from a tabloid.

  69. in july construction on 94 i took wrong turn,they had taken down the signs to work on it….ended up by all the projects nice colored man showed me how to get back on…

  70. We all have our likes and dislikes when it comes to journalists, and I am no exception. I like Olberman and I doubt there would be much disagreement on that one from most of the people who contribute to this site.

    I like Pat Buchanan because I think he is candid in his views, gives credit to our girl whenever it is due, and is legitimately concerned about the future of this country even though I might not always agree with his policies. For most people on this site that is probably a bridge too far and I can respect that, believe me.

    I go hot and cold on Halperin. I have followed him since his days with Bob Dole and have read his books. There are times when he disappoints me for sure. But when he stands up before his peers and says what we on this site all know to be true which is that Big Media is overly critical of our girl, and giving Obama a free ride, I respect that. It is not an easy thing to say when you work for an organization like Time Magazine which is part of the Big Media cartel.

    Let me say it once and for all. I have no respect for any journalist who is so constrained by the stall fed existence of the corporation, or so worried about peer group approval that they
    fail to speak out about what they know in their heart is right. I have no respect for any journalist who is more concerned with the media narrative than what is right for the country.

    I have made those choices myself and I can say from experience that you pay for them. But at the end of the day you still have to look at yourself in the mirror when you shave. There is too much group think in Big Media today, and they are not doing the job they need to be doing for the people of this country. Period.

  71. New ABC Poll

    POLL: In Iowa Democratic Caucuses, Turnout Will Tell the Tale

    Turnout will tell the tale of the Iowa Democratic caucuses, where Barack Obama’s theme of a fresh start in the nation’s politics is resonating strongly against the bulwarks of Hillary Clinton’s campaign — strength, experience and electability.

    Likely caucus-goers are increasingly polarized between these two themes. Obama’s enlarged his already sizable lead among those looking mainly for new ideas and a new direction. But Clinton’s gained among those focused on strength and experience, and has eased some of her recent negatives on forthrightness and empathy.

    Clinton does better with voters who’ve definitely made up their minds, while Obama is stronger with changeable voters — still a third of the electorate. He may have more work to do to close the sale in the Iowa campaign’s final weeks.

    But Clinton has an equal challenge, motivating turnout; she’s weaker, and Obama is stronger, among those who say they’re absolutely certain to show up on caucus day. John Edwards, while trailing overall, would also benefit from low turnout by newcomers.

    Currently, among likely Democratic caucus-goers in this ABC News/Washington Post poll, 33 percent support Obama, 29 percent Clinton and 20 percent Edwards, with single-digit support for the other Democratic candidates. That’s similar to the 30-26-22 percent division in the last ABC/Post poll in Iowa a month ago.

    Applying tighter turnout scenarios can produce anything from a 10-point Obama lead to a 6-point Clinton edge — evidence of the still-unsettled nature of this contest, two weeks before Iowans gather and caucus. And not only do 33 percent say there’s a chance they yet may change their minds, nearly one in five say there’s a “good chance” they’ll do so.

    Another factor is the Iowa Democratic Party’s “viability” rule, in which, generally, candidates who garner less than 15 percent support in the first round of caucusing are dropped, and the contest continues without them. In this poll, when supporters of single-digit candidates are reallocated to their second choice among the top three, Obama goes to a lead, with 37 percent support; Clinton has 31 percent, Edwards 26 percent.

    IDEAS and ELECTABILITY — Fifty-six percent of likely caucus-goers are looking mainly for “a new direction and new ideas,” the root of Obama’s support. He’s backed by 50 percent of these voters, swamping Clinton by 3-1. But she comes back among those focused on “strength and experience,” with 49 percent support to Obama’s 8 percent.

    The polarization between these groups has increased: Clinton’s gained 11 points since last month among “strength and experience” voters, while Obama’s gained 7 points among those focused on new ideas.

    Obama’s made notable gains elsewhere. For the first time he runs about evenly with Clinton in Iowa on electability: Thirty-five percent pick her as the candidate with the best chance to win in November, but 33 percent pick Obama — an 8-point gain for him from last month. He’s also battled to an even race with Clinton as the candidate who’s campaigned hardest in Iowa, a hard-won attribute in a state accustomed to retail politics.

    Among groups, there are big divisions by age and education in the Iowa Democratic electorate: Obama leads Clinton by a wide 49-26 percent among likely caucus-goers age 18 to 39; Clinton, by contrast, leads Obama by 40-16 percent among seniors. Similarly, Obama leads by wide margins among college-educated Iowans; Clinton, among those without college degrees.

    The race also continues to represent a battle of the sexes: Obama leads among men (with 33 percent, while Clinton and Edwards are about even, with 21 and 22 percent respectively), compared with a much closer Clinton-Obama race among women, 36-32 percent. (It helps Clinton that women account for a majority of likely caucus-goers.)

    Clinton, meanwhile, has made progress fighting the notion that she’s unwilling to speak her mind; 59 percent now say she is willing enough to say what she really thinks about the issues, up 9 points from last month. (Among those who say the opposite, however, Obama’s increased his already big advantage — a further sign of polarization in the race.)

    Clinton also has managed a slight, 5-point gain in empathy; 25 percent say she’s the candidate who best understands their problems, approaching Obama’s 31 percent. That’s further evidence she’s made some progress smoothing her campaign’s recent rough spots.

    DEFINITE/CERTAIN – Moreover, Clinton’s support has solidified: Seventy percent of her supporters say they’ve definitely made up their minds about whom to support, up 13 points from last month. Edwards’ “definite” support similarly is up by 10 points, to 63 percent. Obama’s, however, is unchanged at 55 percent definite.

    Looking at these numbers another way, among “definite” voters Clinton has 34 percent support, up 7 points from last month; Obama has 31 percent, Edwards 22. Among the rest — changeable voters — Obama has 39 percent support, likewise up 7 points from last month; Clinton 24 percent, Edwards 20.

    Fifty-nine percent of Clinton’s supporters also say they’re “very enthusiastic” about their choice; it’s about the same, 56 percent, for Edwards, but 49 percent for Obama.

    Still, if Clinton does better on enthusiasm and commitment, Obama pushes back with intention to vote: He leads Clinton by 35-26 percent among people who say they’re “absolutely certain” to attend their caucus; it’s about the opposite, 28-35 percent, among those who say they’ll probably go. (Edwards gets 20 percent support in both groups.) That result underscores how key turnout will be.

    Another factor at play will be how many newcomers show up. Among people who say they’ve attended a previous caucus, the race is a three-way dead-heat — 26-25-24 percent for Obama-Clinton-Edwards. It’s among first-timers that the contest shakes up — 42-33-15 percent among those three. How many first-timers appear, again, will be crucial.

    Democrats do seem to be raring to go: In this survey 19 percent of the general public identified themselves as likely Democratic caucus-goers, up from 14 percent last month and far above usual turnout, 5 or 6 percent. (Intention to participate in the Republican caucuses is far lower.) As noted, models predicting lower turnout produce varying results depending on the factors included.

    OTHER ISSUES/ATTRIBUTES – Clinton’s single biggest advantage against Obama is on the attribute of having the best experience to be president — a 5-1 advantage, 45 percent to 9 percent, with a 7-point gain for Clinton from last month.

    However, having the “best” experience may not be necessary; in another measure, 61 percent say Obama does have the kind of experience it takes to serve effectively. And those who say so support him over Clinton by a 3-1 margin.

    Obama’s single best attribute, and an important one, is in honesty and trustworthiness; he leads Clinton by 34-18 percent as best suited on this score, with Edwards at 21 percent. This is little changed from 31-15-20 percent last month; it continues as a significant weakness for Clinton and comparative strength for Obama.

    On issues, Clinton continues to hold a significant (17-point) lead in trust to handle health care, one of the two top-cited concerns to likely caucus-goers. She has a more narrow, 7-point edge in trust to handle the economy; she and Obama run about evenly in trust to deal with the situation in Iraq. Among these, Iraq and health care now rank about evenly as the two top concerns, followed by the economy and education. As is often the case in primaries, though, the race seems more fueled by the candidates’ personal attributes.

    TONE – Lastly there’s the tone of the campaign – which, perhaps surprisingly, is rated fairly well. Seventy percent of likely caucus-goers say the tone of the race has been mostly positive; 25 percent, about equally positive and negative. A mere 3 percent say the caucus campaign has been mostly negative in tone. Whether that holds, the next two weeks will tell.

    METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Dec. 13-17, 2007, among a random sample of 652 adults likely to vote in the Iowa Democratic caucuses. The results have a 4-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, PA.

    abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/story?id=4021096&page=1

  72. The three journalist who I think have been very fair to Hillary are Craig Crawford, Dana Milbank and Chris Cilizza.

    i agree. from the kurtz piece:

    When The Washington Post reported last month that Obama used a political action committee to hand more than $180,000 to Democratic groups and candidates in the early-voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, the suggestion that he might be buying support received no attention on the network newscasts.

    well no duh! i couldn’t believe they paid no attention. that was illegal right? look, if you look at fec reports for that pac.. it was supposed to be shut down, and then obama gave $$ out in q3 to state/local officials only nh, iowa, and sc. it’s all public information. he coordinated the donations with his presidential campaign. the media mostly paid no attention, there was a couple washington post stories (so credit there) and then it died. i think at the time a college student ‘planting’ a question at one town hall event was deemed of crucial importance

  73. hillandrocks -lol! makes me remember the first time we picked up a friend from the south, coming out of the airport she exclaimed “there’s a lot of orientals here”.
    yep, we are multi-colored here in chicagoland!

  74. Agreed, mei. Not only that, if you read the internals, Hillary has solidified her support. 70% now “definitely” support her; 59% are very enthusiastic.

    Obama still at 55% definitely and only as 49% enthusiasm factor.

    But, the 4% lead by BO will be all the media will focuses. Internals smernals.

  75. American gal, I think that while this poll is not bad at all, it reflects the last of Obama’s supposed surge, and probably the worst week Hillary has had, what with the Billy Shaheen crap and all. Most of it was prior to the DMR endorsement as well.

    BTW, where is that big giant “Oprah bump” BO was suppposed to get? All the BO supporters were predicting it, and now you don’t hear a peep about how it didn’t materialize.

    He has hit his ceiling, he can’t go higher. And Hillary has hit her floor, and is moving on and up. It’s a new ballgame now.

  76. I hope Obama stays in the lead in all the polls through caucus day.

    He’s already been annointed as the prohibitive favorite to win Iowa and the nomination. I heard it on TV.

    Let’s see if he can meet the expectations.

    BTW, it’s amazing to me that the entire get-out-the-women’s vote from Emily’s List, Women’s Voices Women’s Vote, and the Clinton campaign has stayed completely under the media radar. They think Hillary is campaiging with Chelsea and her mother to “soften her image”. Baloney. Clinton’s been working for the past week to turn out her women’s vote. Right under the Georgetown Social Club’s nose and they can’t even see it. (Hi, Ben)

  77. So, I wonder when Obama is going to descry the filmmmakers using his appearance in their anti-Hillary feature. I wonder if he’s going to ask to meet her on a tarmac somewhere to apologize.

  78. this kurtz piece blows my mind. there is such a double standard in the media coverage. i’m glad i didn’t hear so many of those “it’s the end! her campaign’s in crisis” stories. meanwhile, the national polls haven’t budged. by the way, obama on foreign policy today:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content /article/2007/12/18/AR2007121800858.html

    He took a veiled swipe at Clinton, saying that when he was criticized earlier this year for calling for direct diplomacy with Iran, others were voting for an amendment that “called for George Bush to use our troops in Iraq to counter Iran.”

    Yeah others were voting… while he was off campaigning and not showing up! this is just absurd if he’s still making a big deal about A VOTE HE DIDN’T EVEN SHOW UP FOR.

  79. i am so pissed off, my local san francisco news station is talking about the new california field poll, and how she has lost so many points…

    they are interviewing all these people out christmas shopping, who said they originally were voting for cllinton, but now are voting for barack…

    and they are saying if edwards fails in iowa, all the edwards people will vote for ob…

    let me just go put my head under my pillow, you just cant win for trying…

  80. the polls will show whatever the pollsters are inclined to show…the media hates the clintons, will play up barack because he makes them appear less racist (showing their sexist bigotry instead, such hypocrites)…

  81. ew. even just reading some of the sappy blind-sheep comments on Obambi’s website makes me want to hurl. Stuff like “I use to support Clinton until she voted for the kyl-liberman bill”

    wth? They are saying that instead of voting for someone who HAS a position on the bill, they would rather vote for a two-timing lying fool who didn’t even feel the need to bother to show up for such an “important bill”?

  82. I am up late watching Anderson Cooper, and I am convinced of one thing:

    The media is utterly scared shitless of Bill. They are spinning as fast as they can to insist he is bad for the campaign, his involvement is bad, he ought to take a back seat, yada yada yada.

    They are absolutely crapping their pants at the prospect of the Big Dog campaigning for Hillary. They are furious and spitting and shrieking in agony – No! No! He must be stopped! He cannot do that!

    Hillary already terrifies them. Hillary with Bill backing her? Their worst nightmare. LOL!

    Bring it on.

  83. you got me. i don’t know why a reporter doesn’t just ask him “why are you making such a huge deal of this bill that you didn’t show up to vote on.”

  84. Obama is clarifying that he had nothing to do with the documentary and the filmmaker says the footage was obtained from a third party – namely, no doubt, a stock house which provides news footage for purchase.

    I’m racking my brains to remember anything Clinton has said about her opponents which could even remotely be used in the same fashion. There is her comment about Obama being naive and irresponsible. That’s like the worst thing I’ve heard her say about someone else. But that’s the difference between the two camps and one of the reasons I’m in the camp I’m in.

  85. another_reader Says: December 18th, 2007 at 10:43 pm

    “The real obstacle to health care reform isn’t the substance of our plans, it’s the smallness of our politics.” (from the obama flyer.)

    Now read this BHO quote from January 16, 2007, when he told Chicago’s NBC Channel 5 that he was going to run:

    “I’ve been struck by how hungry we all are for a different kind of politics. … But challenging as they are, it’s not the magnitude of our problems that concerns me the most. It’s the smallness of our politics. …”

    The whole rest of that interview is tummy churning.

    nbc5.com/politics/10760170/detail.html

  86. People look at that Jackass’s premise: 1.) put marketing of progressive values first; 2.) put progressive valus somewhere after?

  87. Put this in the column of things I didn’t know. BHO’s pollster is also the pollster for the DNC, which raised some eyebrows back in February 2007 but seems to have escaped notice since.

    This adds to my nagging theory on BHO being the agent of Howard Dean’s revenge.

    From politico.com/news/stories/0207/2925.html

  88. When Edward Carson cross examined Oscar Wilde in the most famous trial of the late 19th century, the question he asked him over and over again was why, why, why he answered a previous question a certain way. Wilde’s answer or lack thereof utterly destroyed his case against the Marquis of Queensbury and sent him to the penetentiary for two years.

    The same question should be asked to the Big Media scions. For example-why Timmy Russert did you ask all those bully boy gottcha questions to Hillary, and give Obama a free pass-why, why, why? And you David Gregory why do you ask Hillary six times what Bill meant when he said selecting Obama would be rolling the dice, when you know the answer to that question–why, why, why? And you Chris Matthews, why do you spend every night nitpicking Hillary and glorifying Obama–why, why, why?

    Don’t bother to deny it. You know what I am saying is true. How do I know? Your own colleagues Halperin and Kurtz have conceded as much. You have created a double standard, a warped playing field, a rigged poker game. So I ask you again, you presumptive heirs to the tradition of Murrow, Croncrite, Sevarid and the rest . . . why?

    No answer? Then let me give you one. The reason you attack Hillary and give Obama a free ride is because you have decided that an unqualified candidate of your choice will be our next president, and if you put the whole truth before the American People they would never agree with you. So you shade the truth for your own partisan purposes.

    Well, you played the same game in the last election. You wanted us to believe that all you sought was a horserace, but we both know that you were really after a mugging. Then as now you attacked a qualified candidate, supported an unqualified one, shaded the truth and got the public to elect George W Bush.

    For most of the public that meant living poor and voting rich. The difference between great government under Hillary and marginal government under Obama is critical issue in their lives, yet you hide from them what they need to know in order to make a wise choice.

    But for you it was never a problem because you have your fine home, sailboat, and private clubs full of like-minded people. Your life of privilege insulates you from the problems that other people in this country face.

  89. yeah very good writeup wbbei.. I write columns for local news sometimes, but this one is extremely good by any standards. you should try for part time writing or atleast blogging assignment if you are interested!

  90. a very good morning here in NH. WMUR poll shows our girl with a 12pt lead over BO. cannot wait to see her friday!!! 🙂

  91. Great news alcina. There was no doubt CNN manipulated previous data on their poll to get a horse race. However, the REAL democrats didnt budge. on the contrary, this poll shows she is getting back her independent support. I doubt their assertion of 35% of democrats have not yet decided. They will be refering to independents who lean democratic. having said that, I hope internals show independents move in right direction. Go Ron paul and Mccain. We need you 🙂

  92. good morning hillfans, the abc/wash poll has great internals for hillary. she may be down by 4 but she still has hardcore support and room to grow. i think ras is coming out with his new iowa and nh dem numbers anytime this week or today. stay tuned hillfans. GO HILLARY!!!!!

  93. Obama’s first slip in Ras daily poll. his number is 24. Hillary still holding steady at 40. if the trend continues, Obama is in some serious trouble. I think the “surge” has ended. Now its anybody’s game. Also, the ABC washington post I think has gotten it wrong. I think they have a sample thats skewed. They dont show age group/gender. This way, they can skew the poll to get results that they want. if the sample contains greater amount of under 45, (historically that only represents 45% of caucus attendees), then they will get more negatively skewed polls for Hillary. if the skew it to include lot more under 29’s, they skew it to Obama and screw Edwards. if they skew both, they screw both 🙂

  94. watch ron paul. this guy is going nowhere in the primaries but he has MILLIONS to spend in nh. i notice a lot of naderites support him. heck the only thing they have in common with him is he is anti-war. other than that he a rightwinger for sure.

  95. After the worst month of her campain, her number still move up 3% compare to last month which shown her strenth.

  96. HLR, I like it too. But the rivisionist history is in terms of not revisiting how close they are to clinton politics in this race. Barack Obamas answer on Drivers license is something that should have been brought up. Similarly, Edwards criticism on social security and other issues.

    While, the author seems to side with pragmatism of clinton politics, he is resistant to compare with Hillary’s more pragmatic and yet co-operative approach. Hillary if she gets through primaries, will be liked by many in GE, because she has been right about almost everything. her Iraq war was a mistake, but on hindsight, it was what every democrat including new england liberals like John Kerry endorsed.

    It fails to chastise Edwards and Obama, and put blame squarely on Hillary, which I thought was rivisionist. but otherwise, the article argued what we fundamentally argue in all blogs, that the only way to win in conservative america where more than 70% consider themselves religious is by being a moderate. populism is idealistic, clintoniasm is practical.

  97. If I recall correctly, ABC/Wapo has consistently shown Hillary doing not as great in Iowa as the other polls. This was even before the Oprahpalooza. If their latest shows her doing not so bad in terms of percentage of those enthusiastic and most certain to vote for her, it shows she has good core support and secondly, this is the best we can expect from the Oprah “bounce” for BO. She appears to have halted any slide that could have come about because of that.

    If other polls show her tied or slightly ahead ,then in fact thats great news. We’ll just have to wait it out.

  98. Carrie Budoff Brown at Politico: “Obama fights his own ‘axis of evil’ on stump”

    “It could be Barack Obama’s ‘axis of evil’: lobbyists, political action committees and corporations. … [snip]

    “In speech after speech, hundreds of miles from Washington (the axis’ base of operations), Obama these days portrays the trio as a scourge, blocking progress on health care, energy and prescription drug policy. So if elected, Obama says, he would negotiate an insurance plan on C-SPAN, disclose meetings between political appointees and lobbyists, and restrict their employment in his White House.”

    politico.com/news/stories/1207/7462.html

    Is somebody going to speak up to remind BHO that he was for them before he was against them?

    I’m sure the RW would be right on that in the GE.

  99. It fails to chastise Edwards and Obama, and put blame squarely on Hillary, which I thought was rivisionist.

    I don’t think the purpose of the article was to compare campaigns. It’s central point is the paradox of certain factions in the Dem party yearning for ‘change’ (something different from Clintonism) while at the same time, utilizing the same frame of reference for moving forward. (cont below)

  100. That’s the reason I thought the DM Register debate question to Obama was brilliant — given that his campaign is Clintonian in nature, both in terms of apparatus and policy prescriptions, where’s the change?

    I also think it’s fair to analyze the pains the Clinton campaign has felt along the way in this context. Obama was not able to make any headway until conjuring up a contrived ‘difference’ — Kyl-Lieberman, largely made possible by skipping a vote as not to be held accountable in the general. (cont below)

  101. Here is a youtube video idea — Obama’s Las Vegas debate performance did not get enough attention (when he got booed and laughed at especially about the driver’s license thing).

  102. From the NYTimes this morning

    THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats and Republicans in New Hampshire.
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    THE NUMBERS – DEMOCRATS

    Hillary Rodham Clinton, 38 percent

    Barack Obama, 26 percent

    John Edwards, 14 percent

    Bill Richardson, 8 percent

  103. I also agree with Bai that a direct transfer of Clinton’s popularity is more problematic than what Wolfson/Penn might think (and I hope they read the article). Really, what Obama’s campaign boils down to is ‘you get all the good of the Clinton yrs w/o the dress, strife,etc.’

    What you call the criticism of Hillary is just the observation that anytime she makes a move that triggers what people *didn’t* like about the Clinton administration, she takes a hit just due to association.

  104. Interesting article in the Wall Street Journal today:
    Link: online.wsj.com/article/SB119803545526038719.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_topbox

  105. Yeah! N.H.’s Foster’s Daily Democrat endorses Hillary!

    Foster’s is a daily morning paper read from Dover and around Strafford County. It also has a free weekly paper that is found in grocery stores and other places. This is great because it is widely read.

    fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/ [space] 20071219/GJOPINION_01/189605099/-1/FOSOPINION

  106. Foster’s says:

    America’s next president must be a leader.

    America’s next president must be a healer.

    America’s next president must be an agent of genuine change.

  107. A new Diageo/Hotline survey out today shows …

    The leaders if the election were held today:

    Hillary Clinton 35%
    Barack Obama 30%
    John Edwards 14%

    Rudy Giuliani 21%
    Mike Huckabee 17%
    Mitt Romney 13%
    Fred Thompson 11%
    John McCain 10%
    Ron Paul 7%

    Who has the best chance of winning the general?
    HRC, 53%; Obama, 22%; Edwards, 11%.
    Giuliani, 41%; Huck, 13%; Romney, 13%; Thompson, 7%; McCain, 6%.

  108. Ok, here’s a link that sums up the status of the JE “love child” story, which, of course, some want to blame on Hillary. Glenn Reynolds, no Hillary fan, speaks wisely that this would only truly benefit BHO, not Hillary at this point in the campaign.

    outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/12/john_edwards_love_child_scandal/

  109. I just read Maureen Dowd’s oped — the last couple of sentences are really cruel. They keep perpetuating the same hearsay image and then they blame her for trying correct it. It is not fair. How do we counter it?

  110. Take that, BHO. If elections were held today, Boomers prefer Hillary:

    Hillary 23.9
    BHO 13.3
    JE 8.8

    If held in 60 days:

    Hillary 26.9
    BHO 10.4
    JE 10.1

    Rips don’t even come close.

    eons.com/money/feature/careercenter/ [space] eons-mock-election-results/22906

  111. “Boomers set the precedent as the most politically active and socially conscious generation in American history. With years of political knowledge behind them, the 80 million people over the age of 50 in the U.S. know what they are talking about, and are making sure their voices are still heard loud and clear — which is evident from the tremendous response to our poll,” said Eons Founder and CEO Jeff Taylor. “Considering that nine out of 10 boomers who are registered voters are likely to vote, this demographic will have a major impact on the 2008 election results. The candidates recognize the importance of this group, which is why they have been using Eons.com as a targeted social media platform to reach them this year.”

    earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,245145.shtml

  112. RAS!

    In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Clinton is bouncing back. it’s Hillary Clinton 42%, Barack Obama 24% and John Edwards 15%. Bill Richardson is supported by 4% while Joe Biden and Dennis Kucinich are each supported by 3% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters.

    42-24! The tide has turned…

  113. B Merryfield, I posted about that Hotline poll yesterday. It was completed on Dec. 14, when Hillary was at rock bottom from the Shaheen mess. A Zogby/Reuters poll out today also has her leading nationally by 8; that was completed on Dec. 14 as well.

    I’m more convinced than ever her comeback began this weekend.

    I wouldn’t worry about that Calif. poll, united 12; a 14-point lead for her is still really good, and another Calif. poll out yesterday has her up 19. She’s not losing Calif.

    Also, the key point for me in that new Iowa poll is the emphasis on turnout. That’s why the Michael Whouley hiring is huge. And the NH poll shows her gaining 11 points there in two weeks.

  114. Yup, here are the rasmussen numbers with yesterday’s numbers included.

    Hillary 42 (40)
    Obama 24 (24)
    Edwards 15 (14)

  115. Money quote from Kruman today:

    The point is that if national health reform is going to happen, it will be as the result of a no-holds-barred fight of an entirely different order from what Obama saw in Illinois. The president’s role will have to be far more confrontational, involve far more twisting of arms and rallying of the public against the special interests, than Obama’s role as a state legislator in the Illinois case. And it will take place against a backdrop of fierce attacks not just from the industry but from Republicans who fear, rightly, that any kind of reform will move the country in a more liberal direction.
    My worries about Obama are that he doesn’t seem to understand this — that he thinks that in 2009, as president, he can broker a national health care reform the same way that as a state legislator, in 2003, he brokered a deal that mollified the insurance industry. That’s a recipe for getting nowhere.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/19/interesting-obama-history/

  116. TheRealist, I checked Ras’s Web site, and they said McCain’s support doubled in Iowa after he got the DMR endorsement. It would be great if Hillary benefited, too!

  117. Paula:

    These are NH numbers for repubs per Rasmussen

    Romney: 31 (33)
    McCain: 27 (18)
    Rudy: 13 (15)
    Huck: 11 (13)

    These are great numbers for McCain. This McCain surge could impact where the independents might choose to vote. They may jump into the republican race to help McCain and it would impact Obama.

  118. krugman certainly has it in for obama. well, the blogs will never forgive him. 🙂 rasmussen tracking poll def shows trends so that’s great news. i noticed obama never really got over 27-28% no matter what and now trend clearly in hillary’s favor.

  119. The anti-Hillary bias really had to be bad for Kurtz to notice, lol. It’s appalling the media is trying to decide who our nomination is, instead of leaving it up to the voters.

  120. 42-24! The tide has turned…

    Shhhhh! Quiet everyone.

    Let Saint Obama continue wear the mantle of inevitability. At this point, he’s been annointed as the chosen one (I heard it on TV), which means negative “stories” from the Georgetown Social Club (hi, Ben!) unless he wins Iowa big. A loss for him would be devastating.

    The theme of Clinton as an also-ran, stuggling just to finish second in the early states, works to her advantage right now.

  121. Doug Hattaway, the former spokesman for Vice President Al Gore’s 2000 campaign in New Hampshire and then Nashville, will be spending the last couple weeks of the race in Clinton’s Manchester headquarters backing up Communications director Kathleen Strand with media requests.

    Hattaway is a longtime adviser to former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen and said he would be doing “anything I can to help during the crunch time. There’s a lot to do.”

    weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/ [space] 2007/12/clinton_nh_camp_taps_hattaway.html

  122. Rasmussen has posted NH numbers today for dems. Here they are. I am including last weeks numbers also.

    Hillary: 31 (28)
    Obama: 28 (31)
    Edwards: 18 (17)

  123. Thank God the polls are starting to turn our way.

    Meanwhile the people I talk to are growing more and more hostile to big media and its effort to hijack another election.

  124. So that’s the second NH out today showing positive movement for Hillary. Excellent!

    “Meanwhile the people I talk to are growing more and more hostile to big media and its effort to hijack another election.”

    wbboei, Are they Hillary supporters, or Dems, or just voters in general?

  125. B Merryfield, Clive Crook somewhat excuses the press’ double standard by saying it reflects the country being “tired” of Hillary and “liking” Obama. The press has never liked the Clintons, even when the country gave Bill high approval ratings. That animus predates this campaign.

  126. Ras Iowa poll released today has Hillary up 3 (she was up 2 two weeks ago).

    The latest Rasmussen Reports poll of the Iowa Democratic Caucus finds that Hillary Clinton is supported by 29% of Likely Caucus Participants. That’s up two points from two weeks ago and identical to her level of support a month ago.

    Barack Obama enjoys 26% support in the most recent poll. He was at 25% two weeks ago and 24% a month ago.

    (Psst! Don’t tell anyone. Let the media keep portraying Obama as the frontrunner there.)

  127. Paula @ 1:28: they are Democrats who remember what happened to Carey, they are Hillary supporters who are livid over the unfair way she is being treated, they are independents who believe in the notion of fair play, and they are conservatives who despise big media (one from Texas I spoke to yesterday).

    Come to think of it, you do not need to be a conservative to harbor those sentiments. And when as now big media forsakes all pretense of objectivity, and lauches hundreds of sorities against one candidate they play into the vast reservoir of distrust which the country at large feels towards them as they attempt to hijack yet another election from the American People.

    Years ago my company asked me to host a fundraiser for the current senate minority leader, and I did so. At that time, he was leading the charge against McCain-Feingold. In hindsight that makes about as much sense to me as the attorney who stands up in court and objects to evidence which is helpful to his own case, but at the time the perceptions were different.

    I took issue with McConnell in a friendly way, and he responded with the following rhetorical question: would you rather have elections decided by the will of the American People, or by the editorial board of the New York Times? At the time I thought it was a silly question, but I now realize that it was a highly insightful one.

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