Questions From Hillary Clinton

There will be an NPR debate tomorrow afternoon with the Democratic candidates. Hillary Clinton will be there. Hillary Clinton will have questions to ask. We will cover that debate.

We will help Barack Obama, tomorrow, by posting some questions he might be asked- so he can prepare. You know, the guy just can’t think on his feet.

Today’s helpful hint to Obama is: How will you respond to the question about your AWOL non-vote on Kyl-Lieberman, Barack:

I wonder why he wasn’t there to vote,” Biden said. “We all knew that this vote was coming up.”

How come everyone knew about the upcoming vote except Obama?

And I have an important point to make about that Iran amendment, which Obama has made such as important part of his campaign. Now, again, his campaign contends that Obama did not get enough notice to return to D.C. to make that vote, but two Democratic Senate sources tells CNN that all senators were advised the night before that the vote would come up the next day, and Senator Obama should have known that vote was coming.

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On the very first day of this website we wrote Obama’s Present To Pro-Choice Opponents.

You see, unlike the U.S. Presidency, the buck does not stop at the Illinois legislature. In the Illinois State legislature a politician who wants to hide from an issue can vote “Present” instead of “Yes” or “No” and thereby avoid responsibility and the inevitable loss of support that comes from actually taking a stand.

In 1997, when it mattered, when he actually had a vote not just a microphone, when the issue of partial birth abortion came before the Illinois State legislature Obama twice gave a “Present” to abortion opponents. On House Bill 382 and Senate Bill 230 – bills that prohibited “partial birth” abortions, Obama took a dive. Like a character from Dr. Suess, Obama did not vote “no,” he did not vote “yes,” he gave a “present”. Obama did not take a stand in 1997. He did not take a stand in 2001. Then House Bill 1900 and Senate Bill 562 – on parental notification, Obama instead of voting “yes” or “no” voted – “present”.

Obama is Never There When You Need Him.

We described this Obama disappearing act as The Presence of Absence.

Obama is Never There When You Need Him.

Hillary spoke to the Presence of Absence today in a speech in Iowa:

“When it comes to health care, one of my opponents believes it’s acceptable to leave out 15 million Americans. That would be 100,000 here in Iowa. Leave them out from his health care plan because universal coverage might be too hard to achieve. I disagree. I don’t think we should start by giving up on 15 million Americans. That’s why my health care plan covers everyone

“When it comes to Social Security, one of my opponents uses the Republican talking points and has been open to raising the retirement age and cutting benefits. Now he says he is for lifting the payroll tax, which would be a trillion dollar tax increase. Again, I disagree. I don’t think we should fix Social Security on the backs of our seniors and the middle class. I have always fought for Social Security, I have always stood up against privatization, and as President, I will restore fiscal responsibility so we can keep Social Security as a sacred promise to our seniors.

“When it comes to Iran, I took a stand for aggressive diplomacy. One of my opponents made a different choice: He didn’t show up for the vote. He didn’t speak out during a presidential debate that night. And finally, he decided to play politics and claim that the vote he missed – a vote for diplomacy – was really a vote for war. Well if he really thought it was a rush to war, why did he rush to campaign and miss the vote?

“Now, there’s been a lot of talk about yes or no answers to complex questions. But most people don’t know that for legislators who don’t want to take a stand, there’s a third way to vote. Not yes, not no, but “present” – which is kind of like voting “maybe.” Well, in the Illinois State Senate, on issue after issue, my opponent voted “present,” instead of yes or no. Seven of those votes were on a woman’s right to choose. Two of those votes were on measures to protect families from gun violence – one of which was a measure about firing guns on or near school grounds.

A President can’t vote “present.” A President can’t pick and choose which challenges he or she will face. My opponent’s campaign said that voting “present” was a strategy to provide political cover. The Chicago Tribune said the present votes were the equivalent of taking a pass. Instead of looking for political cover or taking a pass, we need a President who will take a stand and stand there and do whatever is necessary for their country.

“Standing up for America’s values and protecting our country and our people is the first job of the President. Bringing us together to end the war, fixing our economy, and taking on big challenges like immigration, health care, energy independence, climate change and so much else is what I will do.

A President can’t dodge the big fights, can’t find political cover, or have words speak louder than actions. A lot of words we have these days aren’t matched by action. And much of the actions I see, I simply disagree with. I have a very clear record on all of these issues. A record of 35 years of fighting for children and families, fighting for working people, fighting for our future – and as President, I will keep on fighting. But I’m running on more than just my record and my experience. I am also running on my vision and agenda of a new beginning for America.

Obama – He’s Never There When You Need Him.

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139 thoughts on “Questions From Hillary Clinton

  1. Hillary has her issue. She should mention this every chance she can. This guy ducks important votes!! Every one on her team should always mention it. Pretty soon it gets out there. He can’t explain this away. No way, no how!

  2. The only kind of political person who consistantly does this is one who does not want to leave a paper trail…you know, one who may want to run for a much higher office someday…

  3. USA TODAY/Gallup Poll: Significant drops in support for Clinton & Giuliani

    • Clinton: 39%; vs. 48% in the previous survey; and 50% before that. Her support has fallen 11 percentage points in a month.
    • Sen. Barack Obama: 24%; vs. 21% in the previous survey; and 22% before that.
    • John Edwards: 15%; vs. 12% in the previous survey; and 15% before that.
    No other candidate was above 4%.

    Do the freakin’ math…If Obama is only up 3 and JE is also up three, and NO OTHER CANDIDATE was above 4%, what happened to the difference?
    Back to undecided? If she’s falling, why isn’t anyone picking up what she’s losing? 3% is well within the MOE here, so there is NO CHANGE in BO and JE’s totals. Are you really losing support if no one is picking it up?

    blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/national-suppor.html

  4. Perhaps the previous USA/Gallup Poll was simply an outlier and the numbers now are more realistic…thus it looks like a bigger drop?

    NBC Nightly News: Andrea Mitchell and her usual pro-Obama spin. She uses charged words throughout her piece–the Clinton campaign is “worried” etc, Hillary “claims” Obama’s non-votes are important and then she hauls out somebody to give warning that Hillary’s attacks on Obama may backfire with Iowans. Could she be more obvious?

  5. Oh, I didn’t see the previous 50% poll for Hillary so it can’t be an outlier. That is odd TheRealist…..the numbers don’t add up. Perhaps these polls were always a little inflated and with the normal tightening of the race it seems more dramatic.

  6. TheRealist,

    Gallup’s polling is unweighed, they always have this wild swing, in summer time, they even had Clinton/Obama tied. I was actually extremely surprised that the last two or three polls showed extreme consistency. This set of data are pretty consistent with Rassmussen’s tracking #s.

  7. AmericanGal,

    They also warned Edwards’ rhetoric could backfire. Edwards’ #s were stalled, but I didn’t see it ‘collapsed’… I figured Clinton campaign did a calculation to pull down Obama at any cost. Even if Edwards wins, it really does not matter.

  8. Kostner, is unweighed polling good or bad. It sound unreliable if the totals vary widely from poll to poll

  9. AmericanGall,

    That’s just the way Gallup conducted this poll. I think it’s a bad polling methodology to watch the trendline.
    It generally exaggerates the impact of a sudden event, it exaggerates the noise of sampling. Their final poll is usually accurate since it captures the ‘settled’ opinion. In fact, the sample size of Gallup’s poll is extremely small with around 300-400 adults nation wide. I was genuiely surprised that Clinton’s #s were so consistent in their last three polls.

    I remember vividly in 2004 election, Gallup pulled up a huge double-digit lead for George W. Bush after republican convention and the media went wild on it, then after one debate, they pulled a dead-heat, another huge swing back.

    George W. Bush never had a double-digit lead, the race was always close with W a small lead.

    The polls in the final month are all spins.

    Today’s AP poll, it’s
    Clinton 48
    Obama 22
    Edwards 11

    I think it’s safe to say Clinton is polling at 40+, Obama is polling at low 20+ nation wide.

  10. That’s OK terrondt, I’m glad you’re watching for errors. I get so riled up typing sometimes that I do make mistakes occasionally so it’s good someone is double checking

  11. Interesting article from Feb. 16, 2007. It lists some of the things Obama refused to vote on. It’s from the Rothenberg Political Report and was reprinted in the Wall Street Journal and Real Clear Politics.

    The Ever-‘Present’ Obama

    By Nathan L. Gonzales

    Finally and officially, Barack Obama is running for president. His symbolic announcement, in the Land of Lincoln, called for a new era in politics. Obama downplayed his thin federal experience while championing his record on the state and local level, and he talked about the need to change Washington, set priorities, and “make hard choices.”

    “What’s stopped us is the failure of leadership, the smallness of our politics – the ease with which we’re distracted by the petty and trivial, our chronic avoidance of tough decisions,” Obama said in his announcement speech. But a closer look at the presidential candidate’s record in the Illinois Legislature reveals something seemingly contradictory: a number of occasions when Obama avoided making hard choices.

    While some conservatives and Republicans surely will harp on what they call his “liberal record,” highlighting applicable votes to support their case, it’s Obama’s history of voting “present” in Springfield – even on some of the most controversial and politically explosive issues of the day – that raises questions that he will need to answer. Voting “present” is one of three options in the Illinois Legislature (along with “yes” and “no”), but it’s almost never an option for the occupant of the Oval Office.

    We aren’t talking about a “present” vote on whether to name a state office building after a deceased state official, but rather about votes that reflect an officeholder’s core values.

    For example, in 1997, Obama voted “present” on two bills (HB 382 and SB 230) that would have prohibited a procedure often referred to as partial birth abortion. He also voted “present” on SB 71, which lowered the first offense of carrying a concealed weapon from a felony to a misdemeanor and raised the penalty of subsequent offenses.

    In 1999, Obama voted “present” on SB 759, a bill that required mandatory adult prosecution for firing a gun on or near school grounds. The bill passed the state Senate 52-1. Also in 1999, Obama voted “present” on HB 854 that protected the privacy of sex-abuse victims by allowing petitions to have the trial records sealed. He was the only member to not support the bill.

    In 2001, Obama voted “present” on two parental notification abortion bills (HB 1900 and SB 562), and he voted “present” on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if it survived a failed abortion. In his book, the Audacity of Hope, on page 132, Obama explained his problems with the “born alive” bills, specifically arguing that they would overturn Roe v. Wade. But he failed to mention that he only felt strongly enough to vote “present” on the bills instead of “no.”

    And finally in 2001, Obama voted “present” on SB 609, a bill prohibiting strip clubs and other adult establishments from being within 1,000 feet of schools, churches, and daycares.

    If Obama had taken a position for or against these bills, he would have pleased some constituents and alienated others. Instead, the Illinois legislator-turned-U.S. senator and, now, Democratic presidential hopeful essentially took a pass.

    Some of these bills may have been “bad.” They may have included poison pills or been poorly written, making it impossible for Obama to support them. They may have even been unconstitutional. When I asked the Obama campaign about those votes, they explained that in some cases, the Senator was uncomfortable with only certain parts of the bill, while in other cases, the bills were attempts by Republicans simply to score points.

    But even if that were the case, it doesn’t explain his votes. The state legislator had an easy solution if the bills were unacceptable to him: he could have voted against them and explained his reasoning.

    Because it takes affirmative votes to pass legislation in the Illinois Senate, a “present” vote is tantamount to a “no” vote. A “present” vote is generally used to provide political cover for legislators who don’t want to be on the record against a bill that they oppose. Of course, Obama isn’t the first or only Illinois state senator to vote “present,” but he is the only one running for President of the United States.

    While these votes occurred while Obama and the Democrats were in the minority in the Illinois Senate, in the Audacity of Hope (page 130), Obama explained that even as a legislator in the minority, “You must vote yes or no on whatever bill comes up, with the knowledge that it’s unlikely to be a compromise that either you or your supporters consider fair and or just.”

    Obama’s “present” record could hurt him in two very different ways in his bid to win the Democratic presidential nomination and, ultimately, the White House. On one hand, those votes could anger some Democrats, even liberals, because he did not take a strong enough stand on their issues. On the other hand, his votes could simply be portrayed by adversaries as a failure of leadership for not being willing to make a tough decision and stick by it.

    Obama is one of the most dynamic and captivating figures in American politics at this time, and he has put together an excellent campaign team. He clearly is a factor in the race for the Democratic nomination in 2008.

    But as Democrats – and Americans – are searching for their next leader, the Illinois senator’s record, and not just his rhetoric, will be examined under a microscope. As president, Obama will be faced with countless difficult decisions on numerous gray issues, and voting “present” will not be an option. He will need to explain those “present” votes as a member of the Illinois Legislature if he hopes to become America’s commander-in-chief.

  12. PBS, “News Hour”, contrasted the DMR poll with the AP poll in their Iowa report. They can always be counted on to be operating on a higher plain than the commercial media…

  13. That is interesting AmericanGal. Here are two interesting snippets.

    1. If Obama had taken a position for or against these bills, he would have pleased some constituents and alienated others. Instead, the Illinois legislator-turned-U.S. senator and, now, Democratic presidential hopeful essentially took a pass.

    Some of these bills may have been “bad.” They may have included poison pills or been poorly written, making it impossible for Obama to support them. They may have even been unconstitutional. When I asked the Obama campaign about those votes, they explained that in some cases, the Senator was uncomfortable with only certain parts of the bill, while in other cases, the bills were attempts by Republicans simply to score points.

    But even if that were the case, it doesn’t explain his votes. The state legislator had an easy solution if the bills were unacceptable to him: he could have voted against them and explained his reasoning.

    2. In 1999, Obama voted “present” on SB 759, a bill that required mandatory adult prosecution for firing a gun on or near school grounds. The bill passed the state Senate 52-1. Also in 1999, Obama voted “present” on HB 854 that protected the privacy of sex-abuse victims by allowing petitions to have the trial records sealed. He was the only member to not support the bill.

  14. Kostner, what kind of polling do the campaigns use? Is it more accurate and more deep? Do they sample larger numbers of people for more accuracy? Just wondering how their polling differs (if at all) from these public polls.

  15. Of course, her attacks could backfire, but they might turn out to be effective. I’m just glad she’s fighting back, and let the chips fall where they may. Andrea Mitchell also claimed a while back that Hillary’s campaign was in disarray when the Hsu revelations hit. Um, no. She has a tendency to be overly dramatic.

  16. Hmm, I don’t think the press is necessarily buying Obama’s indignation. Yahoo has the headline “New Obama Website Tracks Clinton’s Criticisms” Small distinction I know, but it doesn’t say “New Obama Website Track’s Clinton’s Attacks”, which I am sure is the headline Obama was hoping for.

  17. mj, You are right; they are honest criticisms, lol. I sounded like Obama there for a minute.

    Good point about the Yahoo headline, too.

  18. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071204/D8TA9J9O0.html
    First Negative Ad Against Clinton
    Dec 3, 7:02 PM (ET)

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Liberal activists plan to begin airing a television ad against Hillary Rodham Clinton in Iowa this week, the first non-Republican negative ad aimed at a Democratic presidential candidate.

    The group, Democratic Courage, has accused Clinton of making policy decisions on the basis of polls, not convictions. It planned to introduce the ad Tuesday.

    Glenn Hurowitz, the group’s president, described the spot as a modest buy that would run on cable only, meaning it won’t be seen as much as ads by Clinton and rival Barack Obama, who are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on ads in the state.

    Democratic Courage is a political action committee, financed by contributions of no more than $5,000 per person.

    “We are concerned that she wouldn’t be the best candidate in the general election or the best president because she is so easily bullied by the Republican attack machine,” Hurowitz said.

    Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani and John McCain have all run ads putting Clinton in a negative light.

    Hurowitz said the group does not plan to endorse any candidate, though he said it may run a negative ad against another Democrat in the field. He would not identify who that would be. He said the extent of the group’s advertising would depend on the amount of donations its first ad generates.

    Clinton is in a virtual three-way tie in Iowa with Obama and John Edwards. The Iowa caucuses are only one month away.

  19. Hillary has a great sense of humor, she can always mock this spoiled Obama boy in Q&A session, interviews with reporters and debates…

    I think the biggest concern primary voters have for Obama is that he’s not ready for prime time. To mock him, discredit him is a great way to hit his weakness while the attacker will come out relatively unscathed…

    Look, Biden mocked Obama a lot, and that has not reduced his popularity, on the contrary, I have a great sense he is gaining unexpectedly there.

    Fashion magzine boy candidate – Obama, will he choose Oprah as his V.P.? lol.

  20. The Obama website is silly – “Hillary Attacks”?? Did you all look at it?

    At least the Edwards people were (somewhat) smart enough to at least register a different domain for that absurd “plantsforhillary” site they did.

    <title> BarackObama.com | Hillary Attacks </title>
    <meta name=”keywords” content=”Senator Barack Obama 2008 Presidential Campaign” />
    <meta name=”description” content=”Official Website of Barack Obama 2008 Presidential Campaign” />

  21. O Brother, Where Art Thou

    Customarily in presidential races, Americans seek a patriarchal figure, a strong parent to protect the house from invaders and financial turbulence.

    But with Barack Obama, this dynamic seems reversed.

    He seems more like a child prodigy. Those enraptured with his gifts urge him on, like anxious parents, trying to pull that sustained, dazzling performance out of him that they believe he’s capable of; they are willing to put up with the prodigy’s occasional listlessness and crabbiness, his flights of self-regard and self-righteousness. Despite his uneven efforts and distaste for the claws of competition, they can see he is a golden child, one who moves, speaks, smiles and thinks with amazing grace.

    His advisers and fund-raisers have pressed him to go fortissimo. Many voters with great expectations are hovering, hoping for a crescendo.

    Except for panicked Clintonistas, everyone seems eager to see if the young pol can live up to his potential. Responding to his more combative style, the press has relaunched him, giving him a second chance to shine, on this week’s cover of Time, in the pages of The New Yorker, in the up arrow of Newsweek, which now declares him “poised to be the comeback kid,” and at The Times, where young female assistants lined the halls on Wednesday to watch him glide into a second meeting with editorial board writers and editors.

    In The Atlantic, Andrew Sullivan lays out what he sees as Obama’s “indispensable” capacity to move the country past baby-boom feuds and the world past sectarian and racial divides. “It’s November 2008,” he imagines. “A young Pakistani Muslim is watching television and sees that this man — Barack Hussein Obama — is the new face of America. In one simple image, America’s soft power has been ratcheted up not a notch, but a logarithm.”

    In Time, Shelby Steele agrees that a President Obama could show “that race is but a negligible human difference.”

    But he notes that Obama’s abandonment by his African father at the age of 2 marked him. “Much of the excitement that surrounds him comes from the perception that he is only lightly tethered to race,” Steele writes. “Yet the very arc of his life — from Hawaii to the South Side of Chicago — has been shaped by an often conscious resolve to ‘belong’ irrefutably to the black identity.” (Obama wrote that he dropped a white girlfriend partly because of her race.)

    Jesse Jackson has chastised Obama for not focusing enough on black voters or fussing more about the Jena Six. But Obama wrote that he grew up knowing how to disarm whites worried about angry black men.

    The senator says that not all blacks have to support him any more than all women have to support Hillary. But so far Hillary has the advantage with women and blacks.

    Obama came to the Apollo Theater in Harlem Thursday night — down the block from Bill Clinton’s office — to try to wrest some support back from the first black president and his wife. Some young Obama fans wore yellow tees reading, “Who decided Hillary is best for the black community?”

    Charlie Rangel; John Lewis; Quincy Jones; Essence Communications’ chairman, Edward Lewis; and other celebrated Hillary supporters were not there.

    But Obama did get to sup at Sylvia’s soul-food restaurant — the place where Bill O’Reilly was shocked to find such genteel black folk — with the still-up-for-grabs Al Sharpton. The only endorsement Sharpton offered afterward was: “A man that likes chicken and corn bread can’t be that bad.”

    Obama got an introduction from Chris Rock, who warned the audience that “you’d be real embarrassed if he won and you wasn’t down with it. You’d say, ‘Aw, man, I can’t call him now. I had that white lady. What was I thinking?’”

    And he got a benediction from Cornel West, the Princeton professor who took Obama to task earlier this year for not attending a national gathering of black scholars and civil rights leaders.

    West tried to help Obama in his uneasy quest to claim his place in the black community, calling him “my brother,” “an eloquent brother,” “a good brother” and “a decent brother.” He urged the audience to put Obama in a historical continuum with the spirituals on the plantation and Apollo stars like James Brown and Billie Holiday. Black, he said, has variations. “We don’t expect Alicia Keys to be Aretha,” he said.

    Obama threw in some lines meant to show his black fire, even if it’s a cool fire.

    “I’m in this race because I’m tired of reading about Jena,” he said. “I’m tired of reading about nooses. I’m tired of hearing about a Justice Department that doesn’t understand justice. … I don’t want to wake up four years from now and discover that we still have more young black men in prison than in college.”

    He said he’s running because of what Martin Luther King Jr. called “the fierce urgency of now.” Now can the prodigy muster that fierce urgency?

  22. I think I heard of the Hurowitz guy before.

    BTW, this might be the dumbest thing I’ve read this year:

    “We are concerned that she wouldn’t be the best candidate in the general election or the best president because she is so easily bullied by the Republican attack machine,” Hurowitz said.

    WTF? He must live on Mars or something, lol.

  23. kostner, Who wrote what you just posted? I think it’s true that much of Obama’s support is based on what people want him to be, not what he actually is.

  24. Paula,

    This Op-Ed is blueprint for GOP machine to paint a cartoon image of Obama. He’s a child prodity who constantly needs mommy Oprah blah, blah, blah… Not ready for prime time ….

  25. http://thecaucus.blogs. nytimes.com/2007/12/ 03/oprah-overload-alert/

    Voting pledges from a candidate??? Look at the Oprah ticket, last line. What are they thinking? I mean, people like Oprah but I wasn’t aware they were going to use her appearances as a quid pro quo for votes.

    The Virginia GOP is using these kind of bullying tactics
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/ archive/200711/POL20071130a.html

  26. http://thecaucus.blogs. nytimes.com/2007/12/ 03/oprah-overload-alert/

    Voting pledges from a candidate??? Look at the Oprah ticket, last line. What are they thinking? I mean, people like Oprah but I wasn’t aware they were going to use her appearances as a quid pro quo for votes.

    The Virginia GOP is using these kind of bullying tactics
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ ViewPolitics.asp? Page=/Politics/ archive/200711/POL20071130a.html

  27. http://thecaucus.blogs. nytimes.com/2007/12/ 03/oprah-overload-alert/

    Voting pledges from a candidate??? Look at the Oprah ticket, last line. What are they thinking? I mean, people like Oprah but I wasn’t aware they were going to use her appearances as a quid pro quo for votes.

    The Virginia GOP is using these kind of bullying tactics
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ ViewPolitics.asp? Page=/Politics/ archive/200711/POL20071130a.html

  28. Wow, why can’t I seem to post all of a sudden? Strange.. (APologies if I just said the same thing three times and I can’t see it)

  29. Anyway.. that worked, so.. Look at the voter pledge on the last line of that Oprah ticket. Since when did candidates do that?? Am I crazy? It looks like a quid pro quo if people want to see Oprah, now they have to sign a pledge card. Now it’s find to ask people to sign cards saying they’ll caucus but as a condition of attending the event?

  30. I don’t believe Obama is paying any attention to Jena outside of his career. I just don’t buy it.

    What do you want to bet that tomorrow’s debate changes the polls?

  31. It’s on the New York Times caucus blog, by the way. I keep trying to post the link but my posts disappear when I do that.

  32. There is an Oprah/Obama event in SC soon–it’s sold out (18,000). I expect this will be all over the media like the Elvis ’68 comeback tour.

  33. A HILLARY-HATER from one of my online political chatrooms on AOL, sent my email to the Obama campaign, and now I get emails from him everyday. I have requested to be taken off the list several times, and I still keep getting his campaign messages…..So, in the spirit of “when life hands you lemons, make lemonade,” I have decided to post the emails I receive from Bwak here, in order for everybody to know what is on his deviant little mind…..So here is the one I received today…

    ———–

    The latest Iowa poll, from the Des Moines Register, shows Barack Obama has pulled ahead of Hillary Clinton and is now leading there. We even lead among women by five points.

    While that’s all good news, there was even more telling news this weekend.

    The poll also showed that — by a wide margin — Iowans have found that Senator Clinton is running the most negative campaign of any candidate.

    And sure enough, less than 12 hours after the poll results were released, the Clinton campaign launched multiple frantic, baseless attacks against Barack Obama. The emerging pattern is disturbing: as Senator Clinton’s poll numbers slide, the campaign of “inevitability” becomes more desperate and negative by the day.

    It’s exactly one month until the Iowa caucuses, and Senator Clinton has promised that this is just the beginning of her negativity. She even quipped yesterday that attacking other Democrats is “the fun part” of campaigning for the presidency.

    Barack will always respond swiftly and forcefully with the truth when attacked, but we have to do more to stop this kind of politics once and for all.

    These attacks take attention away from solving people’s problems and exact a real cost on our political process.

    We need to respond by increasing the cost of these tactics for her campaign.

    If 10,000 people donate in the next 48 hours in response, it will show our opponents that when they attack Barack Obama, it literally makes our campaign stronger.

    You can make them think twice about continuing these attacks. Respond now with your donation of $25:

    https://donate.barackobama.com/costofnegativity

    Here’s a quick rundown of her campaign’s attacks from yesterday alone:

    – They falsely claimed that Barack Obama doesn’t support universal health care, even though he’s had a detailed plan for it since May that would provide affordable health insurance for every single American and do more to cut the cost of health care than any other plan in this race.

    – They attacked our youth organizing efforts and tried to intimidate Iowa college students who plan to participate in the caucus (the latest Iowa poll shows Obama with a commanding lead among young people).

    – They even published an article on their website attacking Barack for telling his kindergarten teacher he wanted to be president when he grew up. (I’m not kidding.)

    Senator Clinton and her campaign may find it fun, but this kind of disingenuous attack politics is exactly what turns people off about our political process.

    You can set the tone for the next 30 days. Will you respond to these attacks with a donation of $25 right now?

    ————mY EMAIL REPLY———

    No BWAK, but I am going to send HIllary 25 dollars and post your message on Hillaryis44….happy Holidays!!!

  34. Obama/Oprah in SC – that’s the one where the ticket has you sign a pledge to vote for Obama. NYT blog has a photo of it.. I think it’s fine if it’s all over the media.. I can’t see how this helps him, in fact, likely to backfire.. who wants Oprah telling you how to vote? Someone @ NYT blog comments says Obama said he didn’t want people to vote for him simply based on her endorsement.. can’t find a quote though.. but the pledge cards are odd.

  35. Wow, I didn’t know about the pledge cards–that is unusual for sure. I would think this event could be described as bringing more “American Idol” into the campaign and I agree in that I think people will be turned off by that. It’s nothing but showbiz..

  36. While Obama is doing this huge Oprah media event, Hillary should focus in townhall meetings in rural Iowa and New Hampshire directly talking to voters and addressing their concerns and stay out of spotlight. That would be a fitting response. No need to compete for lime light along with them. The objective is who wins this race, not who is on television more.

  37. Showbiz and branding. the ticket has this stylized image of the candidate, which is pretty creepy if you think about it, most campaigns don’t do that do they..? it looks like something from a soviet poster.

  38. I think that on the very day the SC event takes place Hillary should go door to door with some of her workers and talk with real voters about real issues. This would highlight that she is serious about what she wants to do, is interested in what people think, and is willing to work hard on their behalf in contrast to Obama and Oprah having a glittery party to feed their egos.

  39. mj, thanks for the info. I haven’t heard of pledge cards before but I’m from a little town and I am really new to understanding the ins and outs of national politics. I am learning a great deal on this website. Everyone here is so informative….

  40. There is technically three more weeks of actual campaigning to go. The week after Christmas everyone will be busy mobilizing their troops.

  41. I think Hillary camp should not try and match oprah with bill on the same day.
    Then the media will dubb it as Oprah Vs Bill or Oprah vs Barbara – or some shit.
    We will not get the traction until this Oprah dust settles. We should resign to the fact that there will be a huge hoopla over Oprah stumping for Obama. Once that is over, then we can bring out who ever we want.

    Frankly, Oprah has no idea aboit politics. I expect her to just speak about “hope, new leadership, new page in our history – can change what it means to be Americans again, anti-war and stuff like that”

    But, if she gets more political – I think that will shock me.

  42. Secret I totally agree! If campaign staff read this, just let Obama have his Oprah day. Otherwise it will look like sour grapes and it won’t work. This way he looks silly for having his Oprah spectacular.

  43. same sentiment here. Oprah will only do damage to Obama’s campaign, mark my word. There’s no need to respond at all.

  44. I tell you, the television pundits haven’t changed their tune. I just caught part of the Anderson Cooper show on CNN and they were basically describing Hillary (and Guiliani) as faltering. I have been hearing this all day on the TV news shows–they link the two together as frontrunners losing steam. There is no mention that Hillary still leads in polls, or that polls always tighten as the voting gets close. I haven’t heard much about the new polls showing Hillary ahead either.

  45. From NRO:

    Hillary Clinton’s “Negatives” [Ramesh Ponnuru]

    I keep hearing Republicans crowing about Hillary Clinton’s “high negatives”—about, that is, the fact that a large proportion of Americans regard her unfavorably.

    But I remember talking to a Bush strategist right after Kerry had clinched the Democratic nomination in 2004. At the time Kerry had low negatives, and the strategist was pleased. Kerry wasn’t crushing Bush in head-to-head match-ups even with those low negatives, he pointed out. And by the end of the campaign Kerry’s negatives would be a lot higher. As people who were neutral or even favorable toward Kerry turned against him, his numbers against Bush would drop.

    It made sense. But Clinton is in the opposite position. She’s doing pretty well in match-ups with Republican candidates even with her high negatives—and it would be hard to drive those negatives up much.

    This is exactly what’s going to happen to Obama. He has much lower negativity now, but his matchup #s are very unimpressive if not terrible. If Obama squeezes out a nomination, GOP machine can easily jump start his neg. # by at least 10 points, he will then in free fall.

    I predict Obama will lose white house by a wild margin.

  46. AmericanGal, That’s because of the USA Today poll out today. At least they’re lumping Rudy in with her now, lol. That’s a slight improvement.

    And Mr. Ponnuru is right. I’ve been saying that for months, when arguing with co-workers who say HRC is too polarizing.

  47. Here is something Dan Quayle said about Hillary on Larry King in 2004.

    KING: What advice would you give — just general advice, would you give Senator Edwards about what he faces now.

    QUAYLE: Well, first of all, he’ll be a cheerleader for John Kerry and John Kerry’s agenda. I presume that they’ll campaign together for a while and then they’ll go their separate ways.

    One of the things I presume that he’ll do, and I think David Gergen touched on this, I think he will spend some time in the South with those Senate candidates. I don’t think that he’ll win any of the states for Senator Kerry, but it’ll probably make the Republicans pay a little bit more attention to the base than they would — had hoped for.

    But, Larry, the Republicans I talked to around the country today, there’s a collective sigh of relief that he didn’t pull a rabbit out of the hat and had Senator Hillary Clinton on the ticket. They think that would have been the most potent ticket to run against.

    transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0407/06/lkl.00.html (type http:// in the beginning)

  48. Here is something I found on the internet. Obama might be currently enjoying himself by trying to mock Hillary over the kindergarten comments by his old teacher but a kindergarten related issue may come back to haunt him in a very not fun way if he should reach the GE.

    ELECTION 08: Obama comments on kindergarten sex-ed stir controversy

    Posted on Jul 20, 2007 | by Michael Foust
    EDITORS’ NOTE: This story is part of a regular series of stories focusing on the most recent news about the presidential candidates’ views on faith and morality.

    WASHINGTON (BP)–Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama reaffirmed July 17 his belief that “age appropriate” sex-education should be taught in kindergarten, although exactly what that would entail is unclear.

    Obama made his remarks during an appearance before Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion provider. As an Illinois state legislator, Obama supported a bill that would have expanded “age appropriate” sex-education from grades 6-12 to kindergarten through 12th grade, the Associated Press reported. The bill also deleted language that said sex-ed courses should honor “monogamous heterosexual marriage.” The bill never became law.

    Asked at the Planned Parenthood conference his position on sex-education, Obama noted the issue came up during his 2004 U.S. Senate race against conservative Alan Keyes.

    “‘Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'” said Obama, mocking what Keyes said, ABCNews.com reported. “Which — I didn’t know what to tell him (laughter).

    “But it’s the right thing to do,” Obama told Planned Parenthood, “to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools.”

    Asked by ABC News what that meant, the Obama campaign provided a newspaper story from 2004 where Obama explained his position in slightly more detail.

    “Nobody’s suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,” Obama told the Daily Herald in ’04. “If they ask a teacher ‘where do babies come from,’ that providing information that the fact is that it’s not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that’s going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.”

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who is appealing for conservative support, pounced on Obama’s position.

    “How much sex education is age appropriate for a 5-year-old?” Romney asked during a Colorado campaign stop, according to ABCNews.com. “In my view, zero is the right amount. Instead of teaching about sex education in kindergarten to 5-year-olds let’s clean up the ocean of filth, the cesspool in which our children are swimming.”

    http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=26111

  49. hillary cant put streisand up against oprah, truthfully, thats barabra who?

    what would be a killer, would be if Al Gore, endorsed hillary on that day!! but other than that, its going to be front page, talk on every news station…

    but picture this: 50 to 100 women protesting oprah outside, because she is endorsing male, whose own supporters, have maligned, castigated, and grossely belittled and demonized the only woman in the campaign…
    ‘WOMEN AGAINST OPRAH AND HER SEXIST CANDIDATE’…

  50. For those people who think that republicans can’t wait for Hillary to be on the ticket, here is something Dan Quayle said on July 6 2004 on Larry King, after John Kerry selected Edwards as his running mate.

    ————–

    KING: What advice would you give — just general advice, would you give Senator Edwards about what he faces now.

    QUAYLE: Well, first of all, he’ll be a cheerleader for John Kerry and John Kerry’s agenda. I presume that they’ll campaign together for a while and then they’ll go their separate ways.

    One of the things I presume that he’ll do, and I think David Gergen touched on this, I think he will spend some time in the South with those Senate candidates. I don’t think that he’ll win any of the states for Senator Kerry, but it’ll probably make the Republicans pay a little bit more attention to the base than they would — had hoped for.

    But, Larry, the Republicans I talked to around the country today, there’s a collective sigh of relief that he didn’t pull a rabbit out of the hat and had Senator Hillary Clinton on the ticket. They think that would have been the most potent ticket to run against.

    transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0407/06/lkl.00.html

  51. Obama will never be President. His one and only job is to knock Hillary out for the Dem Nomination. That is it.

    If Obama wins the Nomination, with every trick in the book thrown at Hillary to accomplish that goal, he will be savaged unmercifly by the Republicans. Once again losing the election for Dems.

    Obama will have served his purpose of Stopping the Clintons from regaining the White House.

    I have no reservations at doing whatever has to be done to prevent his Nomination. This is a matter of life and death for America.

    The Clintons are our only hope.

    Mrs. S.

  52. from usa today under electionline:

    POLL: SUPERDELEGATES LEAN TOWARD CLINTON…

    Most of the Democratic party insiders, who will be superdelegates to the party’s presidential nominating convention next summer are undecided, but of those who have made a choice, Hillary Rodham Clinton leads Barack Obama by more than a 2-1 ratio, the Associated
    Press reported sunday. the news service contacted 90% of the 765 superdelegates, mostly elected officials and other party officers who are free to support anyone they choose at the convention.

    Clinton is endorsed by 169 superdelegates. she is followed by Obama with 63; john edwards, 34; bill richardson, 25; chris dodd, 17; and joseph biden, 8.

    “it’s a sign that the race isn’t totally done in many people’s minds.” said jenny backus, a democratic consultant who is not affiliated with any campaign.

    republicans have about 100 superdelegates.

  53. A MUST READ over at HuffPost:

    ‘Chris Matthews Rewrites History about the Clintons and the Origins of the Iraq War’ by David Fiderer.

    Brilliant job.

  54. A question I’d like O to answer. You say Bush could use Kyl-Lieberman as a pretext for war. Why couldn’t Bush also use the terrorist designation you voted for as a pretext for war? After all, a pretext is a bogus reason — like WMDs. So Bush could use anything as a pretext. O would mumble something about protecting Israel.

    But even Netanyahu – the Israeli superhawk – has called for economic isolation (Kyl-Lieberman) as one way to avoid war between Israel and Iran.

  55. of course repugs would be horrified of a Hillary candidacy. she is one who they have tried to take down for ages now and just quite haven’t.

  56. i think that after Obama has gained mroe credibility and experience (by 2016 i hope), I will probably vote for him. He is a good speaker, but he has no substance, no credibility, and consistently lies. I would be more than happy to vote for him in 2016 in the case that he has been battle tested, strengthened, and experienced.

  57. new blog post:

    Dear Friend,

    I wanted to let you know immediately about reports our campaign has received about possible dirty campaign tactics in Iowa and New Hampshire — and ask for your help.

    In Iowa, we have heard reports that Hillary supporters are getting calls that tell them incorrect caucus locations. Supporters have also told us about push polls — when they tell the pollster they support Hillary, they are given negative talking points about her and asked which attacks are the most effective.

    In both Iowa and New Hampshire, we have heard that Obama staffers are berating Hillary supporters on the phone with negative attacks against her.

    Here is one report we got from someone who received a push poll in Iowa:

    I do want to let you know, Saturday afternoon, I had a phony pollster call from “an independently owned polling service” … With my first choice as Hillary and undecided 2nd choice. I was asked if I approved of the direction the country was taking. The question then shifted. “Which of these three options best defines your candidate? 1) Inconsistent on major issues. 2) A weak contender in the general election. 3) Not able to bring change to Washington.” I told them I would not answer because it was not a polling question … I asked where they were calling from. Repeatedly the response was that they were calling from the United States and it was paid for by an independently owned polling firm.

    Here is another report from a letter to the editor in an Iowa paper:

    The bullying coming from some of the other Democratic candidates is childlike and not what the Democrats stand for. I even had some guy call me from the Obama camp and start bullying me over the phone when I said I supported Hillary. He started arguing and got aggressive on the phone. I did tell him his behavior was not appropriate.

    And here is a report from New Hampshire:

    When my father informed them that he was supporting Hillary they proceeded to talk to him about her failure to reform health care when she was First Lady. He said it sounded like they were reading something that was already prepared.

    These reports are invaluable to our campaign! It is vitally important that we know about any unethical tactics our opponents may use. And as one of our best supporters in Iowa, you are in the best position to keep us informed. If you or any of your family, friends, or neighbors receive negative push poll calls or any misleading information about the election, please contact our Iowa headquarters immediately to let them know. Here is contact information:

    Iowans for Hillary
    Phone: 515-558-9600

    Thank you for helping us make sure this election is a fair one, and for everything you do for Hillary.

    Sincerely,

    Patti Solis Doyle
    Campaign Manager
    Hillary for President

  58. Dear Friend,

    I wanted to let you know immediately about reports our campaign has received about possible dirty campaign tactics in Iowa and New Hampshire — and ask for your help.

    In Iowa, we have heard reports that Hillary supporters are getting calls that tell them incorrect caucus locations. Supporters have also told us about push polls — when they tell the pollster they support Hillary, they are given negative talking points about her and asked which attacks are the most effective.

    In both Iowa and New Hampshire, we have heard that Obama staffers are berating Hillary supporters on the phone with negative attacks against her.

    Here is one report we got from someone who received a push poll in Iowa:

    I do want to let you know, Saturday afternoon, I had a phony pollster call from “an independently owned polling service” … With my first choice as Hillary and undecided 2nd choice. I was asked if I approved of the direction the country was taking. The question then shifted. “Which of these three options best defines your candidate? 1) Inconsistent on major issues. 2) A weak contender in the general election. 3) Not able to bring change to Washington.” I told them I would not answer because it was not a polling question … I asked where they were calling from. Repeatedly the response was that they were calling from the United States and it was paid for by an independently owned polling firm.

    Here is another report from a letter to the editor in an Iowa paper:

    The bullying coming from some of the other Democratic candidates is childlike and not what the Democrats stand for. I even had some guy call me from the Obama camp and start bullying me over the phone when I said I supported Hillary. He started arguing and got aggressive on the phone. I did tell him his behavior was not appropriate.

    And here is a report from New Hampshire:

    When my father informed them that he was supporting Hillary they proceeded to talk to him about her failure to reform health care when she was First Lady. He said it sounded like they were reading something that was already prepared.

    These reports are invaluable to our campaign! It is vitally important that we know about any unethical tactics our opponents may use. And as one of our best supporters in Iowa, you are in the best position to keep us informed. If you or any of your family, friends, or neighbors receive negative push poll calls or any misleading information about the election, please contact our Iowa headquarters immediately to let them know. Here is contact information:

    Iowans for Hillary
    Phone: 515-558-9600

    Thank you for helping us make sure this election is a fair one, and for everything you do for Hillary.

    Sincerely,

    Patti Solis Doyle
    Campaign Manager
    Hillary for President

  59. Thanks for posting that letter, MLS. This needs to be exposed. And I agree with Mrs. Smith: Obama will not win in 2008, bet on it.

  60. this is despicable. Obama is SO deep in his mud-slinging and Chicago politics.

    i have a sincere wish that he will never ascend to become the president of the united states.

  61. Hi everybody. Long-timer lurker ready to jump in and contribute to this wonderful site.

    As the rest of you, I am enjoying Hillary’s focus on Obama’s record and character. Not only because it is fun, but because it is a necessary step to take at some point in this campaign. Obama does not yet have high negatives simply because he is not well known. Hillary must make sure that all of America comes to know Obama’s character issues. And with just some luck, such a frame (weak character) might stick. At the very least it will eventually raise questions and drive up his negatives. I am not sure whether this will work in Iowa or not, but it will produce results down the line. Obviously any rational politician like Hillary would have preferred not to have gone this route, but the campaign might have decided it was the only course of action that gave them a relatively good chance of succeeding. At worse they still lose Iowa but manage to bring Obama down to second or third, effectively driving up his negatives and framing him. She can always pivot right after Iowa into a less aggressive mode if it looks like this sharper discourse is hurting her.

    That’s the only worry that I have: that pointing out Obama’s deficiencies (no matter how utterly correct this is) might start driving the idea that Hillary is mean. I already heard one of the talking heads on CNN mentioning this. Certainly unfavorable commentators and competing campaigns are trying to play it this way. And I am terrified that this notion will frame her. To prevent this, I think Hillary needs to emphasize the notion that she is fighting for what she believes in. I know she mentions it often, but I think she might need to make the concept much more central. In a way it is the punchline to the exercise in pointing out Obama’s character issues. If she attacks, it is not because she is mean, it is because she fights for what she believes in. She fights for America. She fights for you. … you get the drift—

    she fights in the same way that a lioness protects her cubs. Interestingly enough the image of Hillary as lioness works—it effectively portrays her wisdom, strength, and yes ferocity and fight. It might also play with the long traditions of strong women, often mothers, fighting for and defending their homeland. Maybe I am crazy, but I think this would be an effective frame for Hillary because it already includes her strengths but it also rebrands her weaknesses into strengths as well.

  62. My fear is that with such a weak GOP field Obama will indeed win if he makes it to the GE. Some more moderate Republicans might be swayed by the Reganlike rhetoric around BO and give him an edge. I don’t think it would be an easy win though, the GOP is not going to give up power without a fight. I am more confident, despite an all out GOP assault, that Hillary would win in the GE. This is hard to admit, but as much as I want a Democrat in the white house there is no way I could vote for Obama.

    I haven’t followed primary campaigns this closely before. It’s easy to be pessimistic. I don’t know how Hillary keeps up her spirits with the daily assaults. I will be glad when the Iowa caucus is over since it’s such a circus. I think things will sort out more after that when we get into more normal primaries.

  63. Hillary is now firing for effect. Her speech today in Iowa sets the record straight on the major issues. The theme is devastating-never there when you need him. Voters will soon see what is under the second mask that Obama failed to remove on Halloween Night.

  64. welcome dulcinea!

    great post. I think this is something Hillary has known it would come down to for a long time. And she’s been well prepared for this. I agree with what images you think she should portray, but as you can see from Obama and Edwards camp, anything and everything she says WILL be twisted.

  65. BO campaign liar alert:

    Paula posted the following on the previous article at 7:20 pm (no source provided):

    “If they all gang up and attack her, she goes down some,” says Mark Penn, Clinton’s chief strategist. “But it doesn’t change the strong and wide lead she has.” Still, he acknowledged that her more aggressive efforts to fight back, including more caustic attacks on Obama, are likely to fuel her negatives more.

    “There are also risks to letting attacks go unanswered,” Penn says.

    Democratic strategist Anita Dunn, who isn’t affiliated with a campaign, says Clinton clearly has hit “a rough patch” but adds, “There are a few things about her that are absolutely true, and one is that she has a base — and, I think, a pretty strong one.”

    – – –

    Whoever wrote this was either dumb as a rock and being dishonest.

    Anita Dunn was a long-time aide to Tom Daschle, who is basically responsible for BO’s campaign machine, was tasked in October 2007 with straightening out BO’s Hopefund PAC (not sure what needed fixing). She was also Evan Bayh’s “chief assistant” before he dropped out of the 2008 race in December 2006. Dunn had also previously been affiliated with Hopefund.

    Translation: She’s from the Obama campaign.

  66. hillary is doing the right thing by standing up for herself, silence is not always golden, silence can be misconstrued as guilt.

    people here have been waiting for a long time for her to fight,
    she probably hoped she didnt have go that route, but lets face it, after all the years she fought off the ripublicans, it was inevitable, she wasnt going to let some jr senator from wherever, take her down…

    she’s fought the best, ob is a peon…

  67. celiff, what did you mean when you wrote December 3rd, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    BMerry, you are topic of discussion on Taylor Marsh’s show right now, I think

    Was that in reference to my Hot Topics post yesterday morning about the “Hillary Attacks” website?

  68. Yeah. I just watched that new commercial of hers. “Strength”, I think. And, I just don’t think someone this tough has run for President in a long time. I find the commercial very compelling. I trust her to get stuff done. She’s got some FDR to her.

  69. I just sent a letter of support to hillary! lol –> here, if you don’t mind reading 🙂

    Dear Hillary,

    There is so much I would like to say to you. First of all, I am so thankful that I have been alive to watch your ongoing fight for progress in America–and your consistent triumphs over radically conservative ideas, opinions, and proposals. I commend you for doing that for the benefit of Americans and people all over the country.

    Secondly, I want you to know that my thoughts and best wishes are for you. For too long, (8 years, now) we have lived in a country of constantly changing times–whether it be in the face of a divisive and invaluable president, or in the policies of war and backward acceleration that he and his corrupt administration pursues. I will breathe a sigh of relief, not IF you are president, but when you ARE and will be president of these United States of America. It’s been for too long since the leader of the free world has had a cool head, leadership skills, progressive ideas and the knack for acting on those ideas as you have. You and only you will get us out of Iraq, to universal healthcare, and a stable economy, as well as helping achieve a better education for all and more stable jobs for Americans everywhere.

    Thirdly, I want you to keep being strong and keep fighting till the last moment. I know that the attacks are piling on and will continue to do so for the next few weeks and then some, but continue to be strong as you always have. Hillary Clinton is my girl and she is the bravest, most intelligent, and sympathetic girl in my book. Continue fighting for progress as you have for the last 35 years! Americans need you and only you to put us back on track to being a well respected democratic nation in this world.

    Know that I am with you. We are all with you. Hillary, you have some of the best and most loyal supporters who want to see you win because they know you are the best candidate to bring about true change through discipline, organization, and leadership. You, unlike other candidates, have been tested and are still fighting and winning every single day of your life.

    I support you. I know the going will get rough and already has, but know that Hillary supporters will always be there for you and only you. I believe in you Hillary, and if ever you come across hard times, I hope that I can help to keep supporting and encouraging your forward, though a woman of your courage and intelligence does not need such!

    A word of advice though:
    when you are facing your opponents, please don’t make it seem that you are attacking too aggressively. Make it clear that you are only stating what you are stating because you fight for your beliefs and you want the next president of the united states to be a fighter, not a wimp. Make it clear that you want everyone to understand the differences by making it a central theme of your campaign in these next weeks, but don’t forget to continue focusing on issues!

    I belive in you!

    [signatory name deleted]

  70. yeah that letter well it even sounds like him or someone close..its those childish supporterswho thinks he’s God..when did Pope Benedict anoint him,Saint Barry.lol..cant you imgine the elderly getting these push polls,theyll get all nervous and change there cacus times.thats is uncalled for.

    welcome to dulcinea,ive been since aug,,im learning lotts from these great Hill fans.who can microscope lies out of his brain BO.he wont have one left with these highly intelligent people here.i know the media stops by how would they ever found out about karl rove giving advice to Bo a republican,well i think Hillary reads here to or bill ..because she has some real strenght here to make her a Proud President.

  71. i agree mj,

    she is so strong, so in the zone, she is a machine…

    in every possible way, she is ready for this, and she’s just a powerhouse…

    how can you beat that?

  72. hillary never looks mean, is the thing. i remember the bill debate watch video, where he observes that she counters without seeming negative. dean already did look angry. i know obama got in a heated discussion already with an iowan at one of his events, let’s see if it’ll happen again. and the debates should be great. the vegas one was a real test for hillary and she did wonderfully while edwards looked like a fool and obama didn’t do anything to impress.

  73. dulcinea great post to and mjs nice letter

    I tell hillary that all the time on her sight keep that strength and keep strong chin up.keep fighting for us.she needs all the strength from everyone of us,we all are commmited , this has been a long year since she announced,since the conversation begins,and now its non stop

  74. two things also..
    I am really sorry about the triple posts above. i thought my posts just disappeared because i couldn’t see them. won’t do it again. not trying to annoy anyone 🙂
    second, regarding obama’s planned parenthood comments, that is big big trouble for the general. they’re on youtube.. i checked. the gop will destroy him with this stuff. we can’t lose this election and i’m nearly certain he would lose and it wouldn’t be close even. he said the driver license thing at a televised debate too. this is probably how the gop will take down huckabee with his video comments about taxes. the ads write themselves.

  75. i agree another- reader ..never mean,she is a tough woman and hard worker non stop, her work ethics,empathy,respect.and a warm personality,she has a heart of gold ,thats why she is where she is today.you learn that in the 60’s work hard for a dollar an hour on a paycheck.she has to attack back her character was built on work ethics,and being a baby boomer.she worked a hard life to where she is and she deserves that Presidency,with all her Knowledge and capableness to take care of America,to live a better life,she seen it has fallen apart so bad she is willing to puzzled it back together.

  76. hillary doesnt need to tame it down, she is not a lier or a defamer, she is a truth teller, whats more, she’s the messenger…
    setting the record straight for the people…

  77. I’m surprised to find another Biden supporter in IA. Wow, he has the potential to pull up to 4th place. Not sure what ot make of this.

  78. Kostner, I myself find Biden an extremely likeable and wonderful candidate. Much more so than Richardson or the others (obviously Obama/Edwards). I would be happy with either Biden or Richardson as VP.

    However, I’m wondering right now if he has the potential to pull a Kerry and take us by surprise in Iowa.

  79. http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071202/NEWS01/712020318/1079

    The University of Iowa will not open up housing during winter break to accommodate students who want to return for the Jan. 3, 2008 caucuses.

    In contrast, Iowa’s other public universities, the University of Northern Iowa and Iowa State University, will have space available for students interested in caucusing near campus. UI is in a different situation than UNI and ISU and the reluctance has to do with availability, UI residence services director Von Stange said.

    “We know what the other schools are doing. We are not staying closed just for the sake of staying closed,” Stange said. “A lot of it has to do with the availability of staffing. The other part has to do with … we haven’t assessed a need in order to do it yet.”

    Once Iowa confirmed the Jan. 3 caucus date, various campaigns contacted universities as they realized the date might affect student participation.

    “We’re not accountable to the campaigns. We’re accountable to students,” Stange said.

    Stange said Mayflower and Hillcrest will be the only residence halls that will stay open throughout the break. He said the university already is using temporary housing to compensate for the overflow of students who don’t fit in the dorms, so there is not extra space for students who want to return.

    “Our residence hall system has some disadvantage for finding space for students without opening up everything,” Stange said.

    UI will refer students to the Iowa House Hotel, which is offering a special caucus rate of $49 per night for Jan. 2 and 3 for students coming back to caucus.

    At ISU, Wallace Hall dormitory has vacancies, so administrators decided to open it for two nights to students who want to return. It comes with a $19.50 charge per night, and it includes bedding, towels and a room with a refrigerator, futon and microwave.

    “When the caucus date changed, immediately some of the candidates’ representatives recognized this may be an impediment for student participating in the election,” said Peter Englin, ISU residence director. “We decided we don’t want to be an impediment to students participating in this important process.”

    Englin said about half the dorms on campus stay open through winter break and he does not expect much of a demand.

    Michael Hager, director of residence at UNI, said all but three residence halls will be open during winter break. For students in the three closed dorms, depending on student demand, they may either try to squeeze the students into available rooms in the open dorms or they may opt to open and staff another dorm.

    Hager said students need to sign up by Monday if they need a space, and there will not be an additional charge. So far, few students have signed up, he said.

  80. thats great united i believe that to shes gotta use that inside strentgh and truth telling ,to make people realize we are doomed .we all will be living out of cardboard boxes.I cant understand people she is pointing out our critical issues right under our noses,people better wake up.

  81. is this true?

    58% of Iowa State students said that Barack Obama was their top choice.

    At Southeastern Community College in West Burlington, Iowa, over 100 people from the college and the surrounding community came out for a mock caucus and Senator Obama garnered more than three times the number of votes of any other candidate.

    New Hampshire’s Union Leader reported that Obama, topped the next closest candidate by a 2 to 1 margin at St. Anselm College.

    And the senator took 37.5% of the vote at Brown University while the next closest candidate only garnered 18.4%.

  82. “UI will refer students to the Iowa House Hotel, which is offering a special caucus rate of $49 per night for Jan. 2 and 3 for students coming back to caucus.”

    it’s likely these hotels that many Illinoisans will find very convenient too.

  83. admin..lol..Good to see the Hillary campaign taking potential dirty tricks seriously.yep i bet its hard for her because being born in chicago mob country.Oh im sure she has seen lotts.and can do that trickery to.ya gotta do what ya gotta do to and thats fighting for us

  84. celiff, or any other Iowans for hillary, do you know if Hillary supporters have been canvassing for her? Obama has centered most of his strategy in Iowa around canvassing.

  85. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/62A7D7BB05A04565862573A600194F28?OpenDocument

    ST. LOUIS — Presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton brought cheers from a crowd here Sunday evening with her plans to end the war in Iraq, develop universal health care and improve education. And she brought them to their feet when she mentioned the possibility of making history.

    “I’m thrilled at the prospect that I could be the first woman president of the United States of America,” the Democratic senator from New York said near the end of her 25-minute speech, in her first visit to St. Louis as a candidate. The crowd of about 1,300 that packed the Pageant on Delmar Boulevard boomed in response.

    Some of the homemade signs that covered the walls of the concert venue read, “Women Belong in the White House,” and “Women 4 Hill.”

    Clinton said she’s running for president not because she is a woman, but because she is the most qualified. But it is “thrilling,” she said, to see two groups of people in her campaign stops: parents telling their daughters they can be anything they want to be, and women born before women had the right to vote and excited about the possibility of seeing a woman elected to the highest office.

  86. Courier Post: http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071203/COLUMNISTS26/712030307/1005/OPINION

    “But Clinton has a higher approval rating among blacks nationwide than does Obama, according to a poll released a few days ago by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies.

    That suggests it’s possible Obama could win in Iowa and New Hampshire only to see his bid for the Democratic presidential nomination run aground when voters go to the polls in states with sizeable black populations — such as South Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, Michigan, Alabama and New York.

    In the Joint Center poll, conducted for AARP, Clinton had a 83 percent favorable rating among blacks. Just 9.7 percent of blacks viewed her unfavorably.

    Obama had a favorable rating of 74.4 percent, and was rated “unfavorable” by 10.1 percent of blacks likely to vote in the presidential primaries, according to the Washington-based think tank.

    While these findings may surprise a lot of people outside the political mainstream, they were well known to the Obama camp even before the Joint Center’s findings were published. For weeks now, Obama and a tight circle of his supporters have been trying to figure out how to win over black voters, who ought to be his core constituency.

    Instead of giving Obama the kind of backing they gave Jesse Jackson in his two attempts to win the Democratic presidential nomination, many black voters are casting their lot with Clinton. Clinton’s backers say those voters believe she’s the best Democrat for the job.

  87. I just saw the New York Times article saying that Hillary did not sound “angry”, but the transcript read angry. And then the writer finds one Iowa voter who says its fine and another who said he did not like it. Later on he acknowledges that Obama cast the first stone, meaning that this was a response in kind. But for some reason the writer never manages to call Obama angry.

    The word angry is right out of the Frank Luntz dictionary. It is intended to convey a negative impression. Yet, her demeanor was calm, she did not call her opponent by name, she raised legitimate questions, held her opponent accountable for his actions, and did not throw the first stone. It makes you wonder about the motives of the writer, Patrick Healey. Surely he realizes that politics aint beanbag.

  88. i recall this story from nightline in april. did u guys see it? about obama and his supposed buddy from highschools-who is homeless now. abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2989722&page=1

  89. I’m sure Obama will somehow try to explain how his homeless former buddies are part of his foreign policy experience.

  90. a story that did not get play-gee big surprise. hillary must go after him-i hope her surrogates can do more of the work.

  91. Yes, I too believe her surrogates should do the work. She should attack him when she is attacked and should be sharp at that but rest of the time, she should let her surrogates do it for her. There is hardly 30 days left, people! Let’s get it going!! Hillary all the way!!!

  92. Hey, about tomorrow’s debate, is that just a radio debate? So, we cannot see the faces of the candidates and how they react?

  93. good morning hillfans, survey usa just posted ted a california dem poll. hillary is at 50%, obama-punk at 24%, and hairpuff, toothy, and prettyboy phoney edwards at 16%. YAY. sorry i don’t have the link, im not good at linking but i check survey usa’s site all the time for new state polls.

  94. Latest Rassmussen daily tracking poll–I don’t know if this has been posted before

    Dec. 3, 2007

    Clinton 37%
    Obama 24%
    Edwards 15%

    73% of Dems believe Hillary is somewhat likely to win the White House if nominated (down from 81%), 66% Obama and 58% Edwards.

    Daily tracking results are from survey interviews conducted over four days ending last night. Each update includes approximately 750 Likely Democratic Primary Voters and 600 Likely Republican Primary Voters. Margin of sampling error for each is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

  95. Before you begin to read here know this, I am no racist. I’m a strong defender of Civil Rights always have been and will always be.

    After reading an account of Obama’s recent appearance at the Apollo theater, Obama waxing nooses, Jenna, Civil Rights. It’s pretty clear he’s stirring up old wounds as a prelude for playing heavily on the Race Card for his election.

    Obama’s quote:

    ““I’m in this race because I’m tired of reading about Jena,” said Obama. “Tired of reading about nooses. I’m tired of hearing about a justice department that doesn’t understand justice. We will have a Civil Rights division that actually investigates crimes; you will have a Civil Rights division that believes in justice and equality for all Americans.” (cut and paste link) http://www

    democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132×3789397

    If Obama wins Iowa, this will be the trigger point catapulting him into National Status as “The Great Black Hope”. Obama will undo all that MLK and RFK did to facilitate racial equality and peaceful co-existence within the white and black communities. He will inflame the South and set us back 50 yrs bringing violence and heartbreak back all over the country..

    How do I know this…I’ve seen it coming for months. He labeled Hillary “that white Lady”, last night, if that isn’t pouring salt in old wounds and stirring up a new generation of Hate, I don’t know what IS?

    I want Peace and Prosperity once again throughout the land and an end to Wars in every part of the Globe. Obama’s insulting and inflammatory rhetoric yesterday indicates his intention is to bring racial unrest back to this country. Another War to deal with, this time from within.

    This is a disastrous prospect for our country. We want a leader to end wars not create unrest, distrust and violence. A leader who understands these issues and is more than willing to deal with them in a calm and intelligent manner without creating a racially charged environment that in the end, will accomplish nothing but chaos.

    Obama has to be nipped in the bud..and that bud lies in Iowa!

    Mrs.S

  96. Politico is saying that Democratic Courage PAC anti-Hillary ad is being released today. I didn’t realize Edwards has a connection to this group (the founders of this group are supporters of him and have given money to his campaign). Interesting…

  97. I think the MSM has a bad case of senility. They openly tell BO to attack Hillary and then are aghast when Hillary answers.

    They ridicule Hillary for pointing out that BO has been running his entire life for the presidency but don’t remember that BO had attacked Hillary for that while denying it himself.

    They still harp on Hillary’s answer to the drivers’ license question but seem to forget that with 2 more weeks notice BO said precisely the same thing and then made it worse by endorsing the idea.

    They echo BO’s charge that Hill voted wrong about the war but rarely point out that Obama’s votes have been identical — and they carry on about the Iran resolution without reminding us that Obama ducked that one as he did so many times before.

    Therefore, we shall have to remind them occasionally about the “New Politics” creature — the Obama Duck. How do you do the Obama Duck?
    On any important vote, vote ‘present.’ On any important resolution, skip out.

    Of course, the O Duck morphs easily, into the O Mockingbird and even the O Crow. In any serious controversy, you can count on him to become the O Ostrich with his head firmly in the sand.

    See the O Duck feeding his chicks his ‘no-fight’ seeds. See them flying over the marshes in hunting season. See the O Duck, new and defenseless in a real world, fly proudly under his protective banner: the White Flag.

  98. Clarification to my post made at 7:23 am..

    It was Chris Rock who made the “white lady” comment not Obama. However, it does point up the fact, it’s been previously discussed and has become a commonly acceptable designation. Divisive much?

    Mrs. S.

  99. Garance Franke-Ruta wrote 10/24/07 that Hurowitz’s organization Friends of the Earth Action had endorsed Edwards on 10/14.

    thegarance.com/archives/862

    Also see this Garance article same day at Tapped.

    prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive? [space] month=10&year=2007&base_name=of_pacs_and_tracks

  100. Just curious, did Obama repudiate Chris Rock, or did he do what McCain did (or rather did not do) in South Carolina. Anyone can be contrite after the fact, the important question is what did they do in the moment.

    Its fine and well for Obama to invoke images of Jenna to a receptive audience but it raises the same question that looms over his entire campaign–where were you when we needed you? That may be a mean question, but it is also a fair one. It needs to be asked and answered.

    If all the facts were on the table, then the choice for voters would be clear. Hillary is dependable and Obama is not; Hillary is experienced and Obama is a novice; Hillary is a workhorse and Obama is a showhorse; Hillary is all about solving problems and Obama is all about pretty speeches that make everyone feel good.

    The problem is Big Media has been censoring those facts for months. Surrogates have offered them but editors do not want voters to know the truth. Instead, they focus entirely on Hillary and they wilfully distort the record, like Matthews and Kornbutt on Hillary’s position re. the Iraq War. The pattern of distortion continues unabated until it becomes the big lie.

    At some point the candidate has no choice but to do the job for the voters which the media should be doing but has abdicated in favor of its narrative–shine the light of truth on the matter, point out the motives, the machinations, and the hypocracy. The gamble in this is that the voters are wise enough to realize that there does come a point where a candidate, and even a woman candidate must go on the attack in a calm, assertive way.

    Big Media, which over-analyzes everything she does will make more of it than they should, some opponents will try to create a negative image because they do not want to be held accountable, but ultimately it is up to the voters–not modo to decide the issue. This way at least they will have the whole truth in front of them before they decide who is best able to defend their interests and those of the country in the difficult years ahead. The decision is sobering.

  101. Apparently, wbboei- Obama did nothing when the “white lady” remark occured.

    The way the story tells it, he embraced the blk v wht moment exalting in the difference in skin color, solidifying his place in the black community as an authentic black with a ‘we vs them’ mentality.

    Very dangerous territory. Maya Angelou needs to talk some sense into Oprah before this whole thing blows up in our faces.

    Mrs. S.

  102. Chris Rock used “I had that white lady”….maybe a joke. But however you put it, this was seemingly
    downright insensitive and perhaps more!

    Now the real joke here is: Was Chris rock mocking Obama’s father and insulting his mother!

    WTF!!!!

    And by staying silent, Obama thinks this is OK!!!!

    BEING SILENT is akin to agreeing with the message!

  103. Yes, I agree, mp- this is a tempest in a teapot. Oprah is deepdown a racist. She is well aware of the message her mother gave her as a child. “maybe when you grow up, you will have a good job cleaning white people’s houses.” She has repeated this story on her show more than once.

    Oprah is a very confused woman at this stage of her life. She knows money is power and it appears she is going to impart her harsh upbringing scars into a movement in Obama’s campaign.

    The words he used in his Apollo Theater appearence. The noose, Jenna6..Civil Rights were never a concern to him..Obama hid when Imus deserved a rebuke..

    This is all Oprah’s feelings coming out through Obama! Because she can!

    Mrs. S.

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