Hostage Situation In New Hampshire


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DES MOINES – All of presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton’s Iowa campaign offices are closed. The decision comes after a hostage situation at an office in New Hampshire. A spokesman for the Clinton campaign tells KCRG-TV 9 News all offices in the state are closed for the time being.

The New York Times:

A man claiming to have a bomb strapped to his chest walked in to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign offices in Rochester, N.H., today and took hostages, police and witnesses said.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has canceled her appearance before the Democratic National Committee in Vienna, Va., this afternoon as her campaign deals with the reports that two volunteers are being held captive.

Bill Shaheen, a co-chairman of Mrs. Clinton’s New Hampshire and national campaign, said in a telephone interview at 2:40 p.m. that the two hostages are both staff members in the Rochester campaign office, one of 16 offices that Mrs. Clinton has around the state.

Mr. Shaheen did not know the names of the two people.

He said that there had been no threats of violence against campaign offices of Mrs. Clinton herself in New Hampshire. “We’ve had no security issues, and I’m not even sure this is a threat to her, to my knowledge,” Mr. Shaheen said.

Mr. Shaheen said that the campaign’s New Hampshire spokeswoman, Kathleen Strand, was en route to Rochester to talk to authorities and the media gathering there. Mr. Shaheen was speaking from Boston and said he was leaving for Rochester shortly.
He said he had no knowledge about the apparent request of the hostage-taker to speak to Mrs. Clinton, or whether Mrs. Clinton would do so.

Clinton advisers said that Mrs. Clinton was monitoring the situation from a location in the Washington area; one adviser said he believed that she was at or heading toward the campaign headquarters in Arlington, Va. Another adviser said the campaign had been in touch with authorities in New Hampshire to confirm the details that had been reported in the media thus far. This adviser said the campaign was trying not to overtax the authorities with phone calls or information requests. “We’re letting them do their jobs,” this adviser said.

At the D.N.C. meeting in Virginia, Democratic national chairman Howard Dean made the announcement in a hotel ballroom, gasps were heard from the crowd of several hundred delegates and party officials.

“Details are sketchy at this time,” Mr. Dean said. “We will keep them in our prayers and hope for a resolution of this situation.”
Mrs. Clinton was scheduled to appear before the D.N.C. meeting this afternoon. Her rivals, Senator Barack Obama, former Senator John Edwards and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson addressed the crowd this morning.

Mrs. Clinton had already arrived here at the Sheraton Premier Hotel at Tysons Corner when reports of the hostage situation began to trickle in. She was in private meetings in the hotel, officials said, when the decision was made that she would not address the D.N.C. It was not for her own security reasons, officials said, but rather out of a concern for her staff in New Hampshire and she wanted to go monitor developments.

When Mr. Dean made the announcement that her speech had been canceled, dozens of her supporters wearing “Hillary” shirts who had arrived for her speech began to leave.

Robert Gibbs, a spokesman for Senator Barack Obama, said the Rochester offices of the Obama campaign — only a few doors down from the Clinton campaign — also had been evacuated, along with other businesses in the area. The Obama staff members were fine, he said.

As he addressed the D.N.C. this afternoon, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware commented on the incident, saying he heard about it as he was driving out here. “I pray to God it all works out as she heads to New Hampshire,” Mr. Biden said.

According to reports from WMUR-TV and the Union Leader, two workers taken hostage in the office on 28 North Main St. A woman and her baby told workers at a neighboring business that she was released by the hostage-taker.

“A young woman with a 6-month or 8-month-old infant came rushing into the store just in tears, and she said, ‘You need to call 911. A man has just walked into the Clinton office, opened his coat and showed us a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape,’” witness Lettie Tzizik said.

The woman said a man with pepper-and-salt hair in his 40s with what appeared to be a bomb duct-taped to his chest had entered the office and ordered everyone onto the floor, Ms. Tzizik said.

There are several police officers positioned across the street from the office, crouched down behind cruisers with guns drawn, according to a reporter at the scene.

“I walked out and I immediately started running, and I saw that the road was blocked off. They told me to run and keep going,” said Cassandra Hamilton, who works in an office adjacent to the building

Nearby businesses have been evacuated. .

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239 thoughts on “Hostage Situation In New Hampshire

  1. MSNBC is PATHETIC.. they are already spinning this as something like Hilalry clintons “spin” thing.

    MSNBC has Cliff Van Zandt nattering on about whether this is a “true” hostage situation. I get that Van Zandt is trying to make a distinction based on what the bomb guy’s objectives are but, seriously, he’s taken hostages.

    I am done with MSNBC. I am shooting them off an e-mail today, and to their advertisers. I have LOST my total respect for them. In addition, I am writing to keith obermann a good bye letter. I pledge to NEVER watch MSNBC again! I hope I can get osme to follow. these guys are pathetic.. fox is much better than them in terms of covering this situation.

  2. How the story developed:

    http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14737866/detail.html

    “There is an ongoing situation in our Rochester, N.H. office. We are in close contact with state and local authorities and are acting at their direction,” an official from Clinton’s campaign said in statement.

    During the situation, several police officers were positioned across the street from the office with guns drawn.

    “There are sharp shooters on the roof, and police are negotiating with someone in the building,” said another witness, who did not want to be identified. “The police are notifying all the business owners on the street to evacuate. There are fire trucks behind the Hillary Clinton office.”

  3. She most likely will go to NH to deal with the situation personally – once the police side of the situation is concluded. Hopefully the whole situation turns out well.

  4. Well, if all the hostages have been released, then it’s only the bomber left inside. That is the best news we could hope for.

    Apparently, the old fool told his son this morning to watch the news.

  5. The police in NH, not the Secret Service are in charge of this situation.

    Hillary is safe and will do what the police suggest she do. The police are on the job.

    The good news continues to be that the hostage taker is letting go of people in the office.

  6. I was just gonna go down to our office, but it is probably under lockdown. I heard Kucinich and Biden talk about it. I hope these volunteers are ok. They are Hillary heroes (:

  7. On FreeRepublic:

    They are mostly saying this is –

    a) bound to be leftist since they are known to be crazy or
    b) bound to be a leftist since it is a staged ploy for the sympathy vote

    and I read that Rush L. said that it is probably a disgruntle husband (a swipe at Bill’s past indiscretions).

    Way for the right to show some of that “compassion” that they so like talk about.

  8. There is a question as to whether there is still a hostage. The consensus appears to be that there is still 1 hostage.

  9. they said all of her offices will be closed and edwards obambas today….all through the state of NH and all thruough the country

  10. The excellent WMUR coverage just showed a big police vehicle from Dover, NH. Dover is another beautiful town in NH – glad to see the coordination and statewide response from the police.

  11. The son of the hostage taker told the restaurant owner who’s diner is across the street from the headquarters, that his father had been drinking today and told him to watch tv. Poor guy.

  12. They’ll be holding a press conference. There may be more hostages inside. I wouldn’t be surprised. The campaign office in Los Angeles always has volunteer college students around.

    And NH is a competitive state so they definitely have more people in that office.

  13. well live feed says there is a possibility of more hostages being in there.. sad.. i hope this guy gets help he needs and releases every hostage unharmed. my worry is long term consequence of this action, but for short term, i hope it resolves quickly.

  14. CNN just turned their coverage into an opportunity to interview Mrs. Edwards about health care and their differences from Hillary’s plan. Totally inappropriate.

  15. from MTV: some more info

    An unknown, armed man went into presidential-hopeful Senator Hillary Clinton’s campaign office in Rochester, New Hampshire, on Friday afternoon (November 30), with what appeared to be a bomb strapped to his chest, according to CNN. A local CNN affiliate reports that hostages who had been held inside Clinton’s office were released after police snipers and cruisers surrounded the premises in an attempt to negotiate with the man, who is described as in his 40s. Clinton is currently in the Washington, D.C., area.

    According to CNN, the hostage-taker has demanded to speak with Clinton. SWAT teams outside the offices are attempting to talk to the man, and sent in a cell phone to establish contact with him. Police have told the man they will not enter the premises.

    CNN reports that police were called to the office at about 1 p.m. and surrounded the offices by 2 p.m. AP reports that authorities were sending a tactical bomb unit to the area, which was evacauated. A woman and her baby were said to have been released by the hostage-taker, and one witness, Lettie Tzizik, told the news outlet she had spoken with the woman soon after she was released and fled for cover in a nearby store.

    “A young woman with a 6-month- or 8-month-old infant came rushing into the store just in tears, and she said, ‘You need to call 911,’ ” Tzizik said. ” ‘A man has just walked into the Clinton office, opened his coat and showed us a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape.’ ”

    Clinton, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, was set to deliver a speech at 3 p.m. during a Democratic National Committee event in Vienna, Virginia. She canceled that appearance because of the hostage situation.

    “Unfortunately as some of you know, there is a hostage situation in New Hampshire involving a Clinton campaign staff person,” DNC Chairman Howard Dean told those who were in attendance for the event. “The details are sketchy at this time, but understandably Senator Clinton is now dealing with this very difficult problem and she is not going to be able to join us today. And we will keep them in our prayers and hope for a resolution to this situation in New Hampshire.”

    According to CNN, the nearby campaign office of Senator Barack Obama, another Democrat seeking his party’s nomination, was locked down as a precautionary measure. The offices of former senator and Democratic candidate John Edwards were also closed.

  16. The guy’s name is Troy Stanley. I googled him. He’s had a traffic accident recently and was arrestly for being drunk in public – or something like that.

  17. Otis only drank on weekends. This guy started drinking way early. Hopefully he will fall asleep peacefully as soon as the sun sets.

  18. I JUST pray that everyone comes out of this thing safely………Its reprehensible that some of the media is trying to spin this politically when lives are at stake.

  19. terrondt,

    Hillary is not going to politicize this incident, she’s at the instruction of the police. The police may ask her to stand by, there’s all sorts of possibilities. How about if there’s hostage there? how about if the police want to establish some sort of communication with Hillary.

    I am sure Clinton will fly to NH to comfort her supporters once this has been resolved.

  20. It is now nightfall in NH. Let’s hope the guy just falls asleep.

    So far there has been a great deal of misinformation including the number of hostages. WMUR is interviewing a young woman talking about the suspect. The guy, she says, wants medical attention and that might be why he chose Hillary headquarters. Let’s give this guy credit, when it comes to healthcare Hillary is the expert – so he chose wisely. He is probably emotionally distraught and associated Hillary with healthcare.

    Terrondt, Hillary is following police direction and it is doubtful the police in NH want Hillary in the state to complicate their negotiations with the guy. She can go to NH tomorrow after the situation is normalized. This is now a waiting game. He has not hurt anyone thus far which is very good news. If he has been drinking, as reported, he might just fall asleep.

    Let’s hope he falls asleep.

  21. Admin, That’s what I’m thinkin’. I think he probably has some health problems and sought help there associating Hillary with healthcare.

  22. celiff,

    it’s not even about ‘dangerous’. Clinton campaign is always walking on a tight rope since they are under constant attack from the MSM. If clinton goes now, they’ll spin this as some sort of ‘acting’ blah, blah, blah. The best approach is to follow police’s instruction and she can always call a brief press conference after the situation is resolved.

    Clinton campaign is making the right call.

  23. molly,

    WMUR is reporting a Boston TV station saying two more hostages still in the building… CNN has not reported yet, but pay attention to the bottom.

  24. Murtha is such a fool. Watching him on CNN. I feel amused those anti-war nutkooks hooked him up to promote their agenda. Now Murtha is turning around and saying ‘the surge is working’… I bet those nutkooks are going to dump him…

    Murtha is a disaster. He and Pelosi made me sick from beginning. So incompetent, so old. This is exactly why I have no faith in either democratic party or republican party. I will go with individual.

  25. Rick Warren will be on the Situation Room to discuss Hillary.

    They said on WMUR as many as 3 still in the office.

  26. wow, there’s an ignorant asshole commenting and saying that “if hillary can’t even protect her volunteers, how will she protect the nation” O.o

  27. Murtha is talking to people on the inside. He doesn’t give a rats ass what liberals online think. he’s talking to generals on the inside. They may be telling him it’s time to declare victory and go home. That’s actually a better strategy, IMO, thaan claiming failure.

  28. Remember when the nutkooks all wanted Murtha for majority leader? I felt like the only person in the world to prefer Hoyer.

  29. Kostner, which fools are better? Inhofe? No offense. But you have no clue. I never thought Murtha should me majority leader in the house, but he is good friends with the generals in the armed forces. He was NEVER speaking for liberals or the anti-war crowd, generals on the inside use Murtha to get information out.

  30. MJS, Not surprised someone said that, frankly. One of my co-workers said some kooky person/people online are saying Hillary staged this. He’s a Dem, BTW, and thinks it’s idiotic, too, but this is the kind of mentality we’re dealing with, folks.

  31. wow, those young Hillary volunteers are all pretty… And they all looked so calm coming out of hostage situation… Wow.

  32. B. Merryfield in the previous post commented that she lives in Rochester. Her husband is in law enforcement. The end of the situation is good for us in many ways – one being that B. Merryfield and family are safe and sound.

  33. Situation was handled very well. Police handled things well. Hillary handled things well. The guy seems very desperate in a very sad way. We hope he gets the help he needs.

  34. Ok, someone just said in the comments on a blog this poor soul told authorities that he had told people he had “mental health problems” and no one would help him. Oddly, this is why Hillary’s health plan with mental health parity is so important.

  35. Thanks, admin. We are all glad everything was handled so well and that the volunteers, and law enforcement are safe and that the troubled individual is safely in custody.

  36. Oh gee, some of these people online are such tools. Someone just hoped Hill wouldn’t get a sympathy vote because of this. As if this sort of thing is helpful to a campaign. Unbelievable.

  37. Carl Berstein said that Hillary’s internal polls in Iowa are bad. Question: how could internal polls be bad but not reflected in the regular polling being done by different organizations?

  38. Ok. All’s well that ends well. The two girls are Morgan, who is HQ head here, and Katherine. I do not know the young man. They looked great. Cool and calm. They are a very dedicated duo and have done a great job here in Rochester. They know the area well and have done a great job here for Hillary and I have no doubt that they will continue to do so.

    I have sent Morgan an email letting her know that we are so glad that all ended well. I am sure that you won’t mind that I add an extra from all the Hilfans here.

  39. AmericanGal — Basically, she’s lost what was a small lead in IA (5 pts or so?). Apparently, she’s lost her big lead w/ women — it’s now narrow.

    The way I see it, the lead w/ women was her cushion against Obama’s strength w/ students. There’s an Iowa State poll now that claims an Obama lead of something like 60-20.

    The area where she apparently is hurt is trustworthiness — undoubtedly due to the press hammering the “plant” and “no tip” stories, basically the press has been horrible in the past month. On the flip side, Obama is always presented as an honest broker.

    She’s going to have to do better with women and young voters to regain the lead.

  40. B Merryfield.

    I’m very impressed with those two girls and the young man. They all seemed very very calm. I guess that’s the trademark of Team Hillary!

  41. B Merry:

    Convey to them from all of us that they were terrific considering the situation they were in. They kept their cool and composure. We are proud of all of Hill’s volunteers who put in a lot of time for a good cause they beleive in.

  42. My write up on BO’s campaign finance stuff has gone out on the wire via PR Watch now. The info will be picked up by all PR Watch subscribers as well as those who cite us.

    prwatch.org/node/6758

  43. HLR, you have to remember that every caucus in Iowa, new voters come out. I read somewhere that last caucus was 50% new caucus goers. I really don’t believe she’s lost her lead with women. Maybe regular caucus going women, but not voters who normally wouldn’t participate. i wrote two diaries about some interesting connections with women voters hillary is making. Both older iowan women(she has nearly 500 voters who say the will caucus for her between the ages of 90-110), and republican women. But, among expected caucus goers, Obama has the momentum for now.

  44. Campaign workers never get enough credit for what they do. Here’s to the NH team and of course, celiff!

  45. mj:

    It is an expectationa game right now. It is good that the media is not expecting Hillary to win in Iowa. That will reduce the shock in case she does not win Iowa and won’t have that much of an impact in NH. In case she does win Iowa, great. But this is all about setting low expectations in Iowa right now so there no bad surprises later.

  46. ra1029, yeah, I agree. I just wanted to say there is some stuff going on locally that you sort of have to dig for in the media.

    You all know what, Hillary can really handle an emergency. I’m so proud of her. And, I am really happy she’s going out to NH right away. her supporters there could really use her.

  47. It is good that she will meet with those and other volunteers, and their parents, and offer her gratitude to them for what they are doing for her campaign.

  48. mj, last caucus was over 50% new caucus goers. ARG, for example, has always included new caucus goers in their likely voter turnout model — they were one of the first to note new women for Hillary back in Jan-Feb. It’s hard to deny that she’s lost some support in IA.

  49. All those in the Rochester, NH area that did not know about Hillary’s office in Rochester before do now.

    LOL.

    It looks like it’s in a central location. Is that correct?

  50. Make no mistake about it, the race is up for grabs — Hillary at present doesn’t have that systematic edge in IA she used to enjoy. Doesn’t mean she’ll lose, though.

  51. As for Iowa, I agree with your analysis, HillaryLandRocks. The tip and plant stories undoubtedly hurt her, though, the first one was total BS.

  52. mj, here is some info on ARG’s voter screen:

    Hillary Clinton has a greater lead among those saying this will be their first caucus. Hillary Clinton also has very strong support among women who say they usually do not vote/participate in primary/caucus races – this is true in Iowa and the other early states. (statement in August)

    Of the pollsters who divulge specifics, ARG’s model has the largest nr of first-time caucus-goers:

    Feb – 41% first, 59% past
    Mar – 44% first, 55% past
    Apr – 39% first, 60% past
    May – 45% first, 55% past
    Jun – 42% first, 57% past
    Jul – 40% first, 60% past
    Aug – 43% first, 57% past

  53. yeah — but it was boring. First Wolf asked him to talk about the hostage situation. Then asked him about the “controversy” surrounding Hillary’s visit. Warren babbled on about how other candidates had sent in videos (R’s and D’s), so they were all “well represented.” He actually didn’t specifically talk about Hillary’s speech at all. Praised Bush for AIDS funding in Africa — talked about how important it was for the next pres to continue and his willingness to work w/ others who may not have views that line up 100%.

  54. BTW, singer Tony Bennett endorsed Hillary today and will do a fundraiser for Hillary in New Jersey on December 12.

  55. i couldn’t be more proud of the young staff members who endured what had to be absolute terror today in the rochester office. needless to say, we are all a bit frazzled by today’s events.

    listening to senator clinton’s response to the situation just reinforces my respect and admiration of her abilities as a leader. our next leader. hail to the chief.

  56. The office is still closed, Rudy, Obama and Edwards are still open here. Thanks B Merryfield for passing on our sympathies. The Clinton staff and volunteers in Iowa and New Hampshire, and everywhere else, are amazingly brilliant people, who are dedicated to Hillary, and dedicated to winning. They showed us how brave us Clintonians are in these offices (:

  57. With the announcement that Hillary will, rightly, visit with the New Hampshire volunteers tomorrow a question arises as to whether she will be able to participate in tomorrow’s forum.

    BTW, Kudos to Taylor Marsh for her blunt honesty about the Hillary Haters at IowaIndependent and their smears about tomorrow’s forum. http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26630

    Information on the forum:

    http://www.bbpresforum.org/

    The Forum is the nation’s only presidential forum in which all candidates have the opportunity to answer essential concerns of African-Americans and Latinos.

    The two hour-long forum will begin at 8:00 pm ET on Saturday, December 1. It will be moderated by Michele Norris, host of National Public Radio’s “All Things Considered,” and Ray Suarez, senior correspondent for PBS’s “The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.”

    Panel members will be Dr. Juan Andrade Jr., President of US Hispanic Leadership Institute; Angel F. Gonzalez Irizarry, Vice Chair for State of Iowa’s Commission of Latino Affairs, Adrien K. Wing, Professor of Law, University of Iowa; and Dr. Benjamin Chavis, Hip Hop Summit Action Network President and CEO.

    All eight democratic presidential candidates have confirmed their participation in the Forum, which will be presented for the first time in high-definition.

    This Forum will be one of the last debates before Iowa voters head to caucus on January 3.

    HDNet’s live coverage will begin at 7:30 pm ET (4:30 pm PT) with a preview show hosted by Dan Rather, Global Correspondent for HDNet’s “Dan Rather Reports.” Rather will also host a half-hour live post-Forum recap at 10:00 pm ET.

    The coverage will also feature Iowa State Representative Wayne Ford and Mary Campos, co-chairs and founders of the Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum.

  58. mj,

    “Oh, lord, Berstein goes right back to the negative. How would he know her internals?”

    He wouldn’t.

    As previously, Carl believed what somebody told him.

    Both he and Bob need to go back to what Ben Bradley told them during Watergate: TWO SOURCES before you run with a story.

  59. i hope senator clinton decides to attend the B&B. we haven’t worked this hard to sit back now. again, this unfortunate event only reinforces our commitment.

  60. It’s Over…All’s well that ends well-

    Celiff is safe and all the Hill staffers in NH were courageous and brilliant..Thanks so much. We’ve been posting on another blog shushing the naysayers saying ugly hurtful things about Hillary and this event..

    Even when I’m not here with you, I am doing everything I can with another Hill supporter’s group to keep the beasts at bay..while you report the latest.
    God Bless all of you for keeping the faith..and keeping us posted.

    …a hectic day for sure,

    Mrs. S.

  61. CNN just announced Clinton would give a news conference at 10:00 PM.

    Just caught up a Clinton supporter in Sioux City.

  62. I agree…all ended well.. Hppy for the hostages’ families. Annd I hope that troubled man gets help and so my heart goes to his family!

    And she was so graceful and gracious in her brief press conference.

    And even tweetie thought so!

  63. Good! Hillary is pre-empting the 11pm news.

    Many people heard about the situation while at work and are still wondering how it all turned out..My phone has been ringing off the hook.

    TG it turned out everyone is ok!

    Mrs. S.

  64. never will i complain about the freezing cold, extra hours, or less-than-exuberant door to door canvassing responses i may receive here in NH. 39 days and counting!

  65. This week, I went to my local campaign office to do some phone banking.

    After this, I am more than determined to go as often as I can!

    And as Alcina mentioned, I also will not complain or be afraid.

    I am going to get in touch with people I have not contacted for years to ask for their support for Hillary. It is okay if they slam their phones down; I can take that!

  66. Hillary looks great, professional, presidential. It’s great to have the NH police who worked on this situation at the press conference with her.

  67. Digressing from the hostage topic…

    How can we trust polls if we have one poll (The Suffolk) showing Hillary leading Barack by 12 in NH and another (Fox) shows her leading by only 7. Both polls released in the same week and conducted almost at the same time?

    I guess the only “poll” that matters is the on in January.

  68. mp, good for you with the phone bank.

    This weekend, I’ll be doing precinct walking in Orange County. Should be fun.

  69. I don’t get why her lead is shrinking in NH. I thought she’d bounce back after her great debate performance. I think all the MSM concentration on that ABC/WaPo Iowa poll is affecting voters’ perceptions, because the inevitability narrative is gone.

  70. She and Bill are in Iowa this weekend (:

    I can’t wait to go into the office tomorrow (:

    Don’t worry about New Hampshire polls, we will handidly win there. They showed just how great their staff is tonight.

    And I will do my best to make sure we win Iowa.

  71. Hey guys, one of my friends on the blogs just came out for Hill. Said he thought she handled this in a way that was very presidential.

  72. Here’s the AP headline from the Democratic National Committee meeting in Washington today:

    ————–

    Dems Fault Own Party in Pitch to Leaders

    Nov 30, 6:24 PM (ET)

    By JIM KUHNHENN

    VIENNA, Va. (AP) – Democratic presidential candidates faulted their own party as well as assailing Republicans as they pitched their candidacies to the staunchest of Democrats on Friday.

  73. I was out today and just got the news. Thank God for the peaceful resolution.

    Years ago, I lost a friend in a situation like this, when a man walked into a San Francisco law firm with a gun, as opposed to a bomb. Therefore, I can relate to this incident on a personal level.

    I can well imagine what Hillary, staff, family and friends must have gone through here. It is the worst form of torture–waiting and not knowing.

    Hillary’s news conference was from the heart–a perfect example of leadership, appreciation and grace under pressure.

    In fact, it was so compelling and sincere that Matthews put aside his normal partisanship and commended her for it.

    Rush meanwhile has lost any sense of humanity.

  74. he 2 iowa forums tommorrow-can i watch these here online or on cable? the websites were not too clear on this matter. it sucks in a way for hillary-after today’s terror she has to run for back to back debates in iowa. this ill man who showed up at her office seemed to be crying out for help and identified with hillary and healthcare.

  75. Hillary was great in the 10pm interview. She was calm and in control. She had a clear understanding of the events that were unfolding all afternoon and pieced together several scenarios into a fluid and articulate story up to the very minute of arriving where she stood at the podium giving the interview.

    Hillary was very clear about thanking her staffers, the hostages and their families for their courage in this ordeal. Thanking all involved for a positive resolution of the crisis.

    She was very confident and presidential in her delivery. All the qualities we have missed for so long, were oh, so, evident. GO HILLARY… GO IOWA!

    Mrs. S.

  76. Nice piece at HuffPost about Obama vs Clinton on foreign policy titled ‘HILLARY CLINTON: MORE THAN JUST TALK’ by Lee Feinstein. One nice excerpt:

    “By contrast Senator Obama has been in the U.S. Senate under three years. His campaign has touted his experience as chairman of a subcommittee on European affairs, which, according to Congressional Quarterly, has not held a hearing since he assumed the chairmanship nearly a year ago.”

    OUCH.

  77. I caught up with a guy in Soux City who will caucus for Hillary. He was for Kerry in 2004, and will not vote for Obama in general election.

  78. The first Iowa forum, tomorrow afternoon, is scheduled to be broadcast live on C-SPAN at 3PM ET tomorrow.

    That means they’ll also have streaming video of it at the website, probably by Monday.

  79. Kostner, you’re great. Great way to reach out to Iowan voters. I’ll see if I can find some kind of women’s blog in Iowa.

  80. New York Times:

    Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, was far from New Hampshire during the incident, preparing to give a speech to the Democratic National Committee in suburban Virginia, which she canceled. Col. Frederick H. Booth, director of the New Hampshire State Police, said Mr. Eisenberg repeatedly asked to speak to Mrs. Clinton, but police negotiators refused his request.

    “From a tactical standpoint, that would not have been a wise move,” Colonel Booth said. “If we had put that chip up in the very beginning, then there was no place to negotiate.” He said Mrs. Clinton and her aides were “very supportive of what we were doing” during the standoff and that her top priority was ensuring that no one was injured.

    Mrs. Clinton flew late Friday from Washington to New Hampshire, intending to meet with the workers who had been held hostage before she traveled on to Iowa. She told reporters in Portsmouth that she believed Mr. Eisenberg “was seeking help” and went to her office “because he thought he might get some kind of relief from his own pain and suffering.” She would not elaborate.

    Mrs. Clinton, of New York, said what happened would not affect how she campaigned.

    “These incidents unfortunately occur from time to time,” the senator said. “And you work with law enforcement, you trust the professionals to deal with whatever the threat might be. And I have full confidence in them. I don’t think it’s going to impact in any way on me.”

  81. NYT:

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton appeared obviously relieved but poised and delivered a brief statement before flying to New Hampshire to be with her shaken campaign workers.
    Standing outside her Washington home, Mrs. Clinton thanked her staff and law enforcement officials — everyone from local police to the F.B.I. and the Secret Service were involved — and smartly turned the focus to the hostages, their families and her campaign workers. She paid particular tribute to the young people who come to places like New Hampshire to work on campaigns, not just hers.
    “Everything stopped,” she said of her day. “And it had to, because we had nothing on our minds except the safety of these young people.” She said she spent her time talking with the families of the hostages, which she said was the hardest part of her day.
    The hostage-taker had demanded to speak with Mrs. Clinton, but it is not clear whether she did or what might have brought the incident to its peaceful conclusion with his surrender an hour ago. She declined to discuss the details, saying the authorities were “still trying to untangle this situation, understand what was behind it, what the motivations were.”
    The incident was a grim reminder that no matter how much protection a candidate has — and Mrs. Clinton has more than most — there is no way to watch every door of every office in the carnival that is a national campaign.
    It is also a reminder that while much of this campaign has been focused on global terrorism, some threats are right under our noses and there is no possible way to prepare for all contingencies.
    Although the hostage taking ended without incident, Mrs. Clinton’s stoicism was also a reminder of the role of a president when events end more tragically. No one likes to discuss politics at such a time, but there is, inevitably, a political component, and the public, consciously or not, judges officials by their dignity in these moments.
    Mrs. Clinton has spent much of her life in campaigns. She obviously identifies with the young idealists who attend to the small and unglamorous details that keep a campaign alive, even in remote towns and villages.
    So perhaps it was no surprise that tonight, Mrs. Clinton struck just the right grace notes.

  82. i just got off work,im glad everything is ok,Kostner what a nice article the NYT…she is relieved you can telll she is,and when she did not go ahead with that speech ,she thought of those young ones non stop,it bothered her terribly.im glad she spoke to the familys,and to the hostages.gonna be with bill tommorrow in Iowa good for you celiff…

  83. Clinton seizes opportunity after crisis

    By: David Paul Kuhn
    Dec 1, 2007 12:56 AM EST
    politico.com
    Clinton’s appearances showed the campaign’s White House experience.
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    Friday afternoon began with possible tragedy: A hostage crisis at Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign office in Rochester, New Hampshire.

    As the incident unfolded Clinton’s campaign closed its doors and canceled her public appearances.

    But nightfall brought a happy ending: the campaign workers safe, the man in police custody — and Clinton flying to the scene to express thanks.

    The hostage-taking itself offered a rare, if small, genuine drama in a campaign season governed by strict schedules and scripted stump speeches.

    And as soon as it ended, Clinton took full advantage of the opportunity she had unexpectedly been handed.

    In her New Hampshire press conference, she stood before a column of police in green and tan uniforms. She talked of meeting with hostages. She mentioned that she spoke to the state’s governor about eight minutes after the incident began.

    The scene was one of a woman in charge.

    “It looked and sounded presidential,” said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. “This was an instance of the White House experience of this campaign. They knew how to handle this.”

    That the crisis was outside Clinton’s control gave it a rare quality in this era of hyper-controlled politicking, Sabato added.

    “What’s most important about it is that it’s not contrived. It’s a real event and that distinguishes it from 99 percent of what happens in the campaign season.”

    Clinton’s campaign has long been dogged by key questions: is she authentic, does she genuinely have the experience to be president, and is the country ready for a woman as commander in chief — especially during wartime.

    “She has never run anything. And the idea that she could learn to be president as an internship just doesn’t make any sense,” former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican, said in one campaign ad.

    Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani has argued the same line.

    “I don’t know Hillary’s experience,” Giuliani has said. “She’s never run a city, she’s never run a state. She’s never run a business. She has never met a payroll. She has never been responsible for the safety and security of millions of people, much less even hundreds of people.”

    Looking the part

    Friday presented Clinton with a moment to look the part of president.

    “You had one of these breaking news stories … and so everybody was glued to the set,” said Robert Thompson, founding director of the Bleier Center for Television and Popular Culture at Syracuse University. “She got on TV and provided a sense of closure and executive cool. It is like how Giuliani used television during his crisis.

    “There was a sense that this was a dress rehearsal of how she was going to deal with… crisis as president,” Thompson added.

    In her two public appearances after the hostages were freed, she was stern, but she also spoke of the concerns she felt as a mother, admitting to a “horrible sense of bewilderment” and “outrage.”

    Her decision to express her personal anxieties offered a window into how she may veer into territory men avoid — personal feelings during a possible public tragedy.

    The personal has at times been hard to find in Clinton. She heads the largest and most manicured of all operations.

    Her campaign has an especially organized staff that surrounds her. She stays on script and she stays on schedule.

    Even as she flew to New Hampshire Friday evening, she was planning to return to Iowa Saturday in order to return to schedule.

    What the hostage incident offered Clinton was a brief reprieve from the petty narrative of her versus Sen. Barack Obama, a break from what at times has devolved to intra-party bickering.

    “Voters look for opportunities to see how candidates react in crisis,” Sabato said. “And this was a mini crisis.”

  84. she is a the strongest woman i know ,and so warm inside,she inspires me to work hard like her,the lady i don’t know when she sleeps..lol..

  85. I have not heard back from my email with the NH staff but will let you all know when I do. I doubt the office will be open today but will go by to check.

    Yes, it is right on Main Street but there are several ways to by-pass it. Shopping has moved away from downtown so unless you have to go through town, you obviously don’t folks in out-lying parts of town are always surprised to hear that Hillary’s office is in such a visible location. I am sure that this unfortunate incident will bring some folks in.

  86. Good to know you are on the job B Merryfield. Hope the volunteers and staff are not rattled by this incident. Hillary of course was superbe as the write up which Texan4Hillary posted notes. The one word review everyone seems to be using to describe Hillary’s handling of this has been “presidential”.

  87. im just saw the streamed hillary news conference with the nh state police in upon her arrival in nh late friday night. she handled this crisis very well. this is why we love her so much. we need this lady president so badly. let’s make it happen.

  88. I think that Hillary appeared relieved, subdued and concerned when she spoke from VA. I’m the only one up right now so haven’t had a chance to watch last night’s 10 pm news conference yet (quiet .. sh!) but will.

    This will give pause, I hope, to all those who think Hillary will run screaming and need sedation or have the vapors at the first sign of a situation.

    Of course the nutjobs will put unimaginable spin on the whole episode. What else do they have to do?

  89. b merryfield, the nutkooks and naderites are already spinning it like she staged the whole thing. those guys are completely lost.

  90. rass has hillary leading obama 33% to 26% in nh. getting a little closer up there i guess. oh well, we have to work a little harder.

  91. This is a little scary:

    ‘Clinton’s seven-point advantage is down from a ten-point lead in early November. In October, Clinton held a sixteen-point advantage over Obama. A month earlier, Clinton was ahead by twenty-three percentage points.”

  92. I’m thinking this is just the campaign tightening up and people are shopping around, but will come home to Clinton.

  93. I thought this was cute by yahoo news class dismissed.lol

    She paid tribute to the thousands of believers who set aside their lives every four years so they can propel presidential campaigns on little more than blood, sweat and tears.

    “They believe in our future. They work around the clock. They are so committed to their cause, and I just want to commend every one of them from every campaign who really makes what is a sacrifice and a commitment,” Clinton said. “A lot of them postpone school, leave their families, move across the country, and I’m so grateful for them every single day, and I’m especially just relieved to have this situation end so peacefully without anyone being injured.

    Class dismissed.

    EDITOR’S NOTE — Glen Johnson has covered local, state and national politics since 1985. He covers the 2008 presidential race for The Associated Press.

  94. Why is she falling in NH ? I would have thought by now she would have solidified her lead. Whats happened in the last months is a relentless stream of negative hits at her, starting from the Russert hit job at the Philly debate. Hindsight is 20-20 but the strategy to remain above the fray at that debate and absorb all those personal attacks without hitting back (the way she did in Vegas) did not help her. And then those ridiculous stories about the “tip” and “plant” were designed to cause as much damage as possible. Then the media completely twisted Bill Clinton’s statement on the “swiftboating” to mean something else entirely.

    Even after the Vegas debate, Obama changed the topic with that absurd Novak hit piece and did his best to keep it alive. And there has been not much discussion in the media about his goof ups – the DL answer at the debate, his asinine “foreign experience” statement, the PAC’s dealings, his SS scare tactics and his health care screwup and most of all the fact that he says he does not have any records from his time in the IL senate. Nobody seems to have a problem with that !

    I still think that folks will come home to her eventually but she has to hold strong because the media will treat this as if she has already “lost” NH. Can’t wait for Jan to arrive. We’ll just have to see where this goes.

  95. hillfans, i can’t waite for the primary season to begin to get this finnally over with. it is getting stressful and unbearable at times.

  96. I agree terron, and the media has been working double time to take down Hill. I’m sad it’s had some impact. However, I don’t think that will last.

  97. rass has hillary at 36% and the punk at 27% nationally. wow. thanks mj, the last month until iowa and nh is going to be a wild ride.

  98. Analysis: Clinton Calm in Hostage Crisis
    By GLEN JOHNSON | Associated Press Writer
    10:07 AM EST, December 1, 2007
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    Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Single page view Reprints Post Comment Text size: PORTSMOUTH, N.H. – When the hostages had been released and their alleged captor arrested, a regal-looking Hillary Rodham Clinton strolled out of her Washington home, the picture of calm in the face of crisis.

    The image, broadcast just as the network news began, conveyed the message a thousand town hall meetings and campaign commercials strive for — namely, that the Democratic presidential contender can face disorder in a most orderly manner.

    “I am very grateful that this difficult day has ended so well,” she declared as she stood alone at the microphone.

    Little more than three hours later, just in time for the 11 p.m. local news, Clinton reaffirmed that perspective. In New Hampshire, she embraced her staffers and their families, and lauded the law enforcement officials who brought a siege at her local campaign headquarters to a peaceful conclusion.

    It was a vintage example of a candidate taking a negative and turning it into a positive. And coming just six weeks before the presidential voting begins, the timing could hardly have been more beneficial to someone hoping to stave off a loss in the Iowa caucuses and secure a win in the New Hampshire primary.

    Aides said Clinton was home Friday afternoon, getting ready to deliver a partisan speech in Virginia to the Democratic National Committee, when she was told three workers in her Rochester, N.H., headquarters had been taken hostage by a man claiming to have a bomb.

    Police later arrested 46-year-old Leeland Eisenberg of Somersworth, N.H., and charged him with kidnapping and reckless conduct. They said he walked into the office, demanding to speak to Clinton and complaining about inadequate access to mental care.

    The aides said Clinton immediately canceled her trip and began working the phones. She later told reporters she had New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch, a fellow Democrat, on the phone in eight minutes.

    Over the ensuing five hours, as a state trooper negotiated with the suspect and hostages were released one-by-one, Clinton continued to call up and down the law enforcement food chain, from local to county to state to federal officials.

    “I knew I was bugging a lot of these people, it felt like on a minute-by-minute basis, trying to make sure that I knew everything that was going on so I was in a position to tell the families, to tell my campaign and to be available to do anything that they asked of me,” the New York senator said.

    At the same time, the woman striving to move from former first lady to the first female president was eager to convey that she knew the traditional lines of command and control in a crisis, even if the events inside the storefront on North Main Street were far short of a world calamity.

    “They were the professionals, they were in charge of this situation, whatever they asked me or my campaign to do is what we would do,” Clinton said.

    Along with taking charge while giving the professionals free rein, Clinton offered up a third dimension to her crisis character: humanity. She said she felt “grave concern” when she first heard the news of the hostage-taking.

    “It affected me not only because they were my staff members and volunteers, but as a mother, it was just a horrible sense of bewilderment, confusion, outrage, frustration, anger, everything at the same time,” Clinton said.

    It was a thawing moment for a stoic figure who once snapped that she opted for professional life instead of staying home to bake cookies.

    She buttressed it with one final message. Clinton sought to use the sad moment as a national teaching opportunity, another skill often employed by presidents.

    She paid tribute to the thousands of believers who set aside their lives every four years so they can propel presidential campaigns on little more than blood, sweat and tears.

    “They believe in our future. They work around the clock. They are so committed to their cause, and I just want to commend every one of them from every campaign who really makes what is a sacrifice and a commitment,” Clinton said. “A lot of them postpone school, leave their families, move across the country, and I’m so grateful for them every single day, and I’m especially just relieved to have this situation end so peacefully without anyone being injured.

    Class dismissed.

  99. i agree with dt, she took the above the fray thing in the msnbc debate in pa and got pounded. the las vegas debate was great because she took it to their faces. being aggressive will work on those punks. no more ms nice lady to them. now we got loser mike dukakis crying about he thinks day after day about his loss to bush, sr 20 years ago. did anybody else here the latest on that? you have to answer and defend in debate every charge and hit back HARD.

  100. so true terrondt – playing nice does not work, no matter how high in the polls you are. When someone attacks you personally, you have to respond hard and fast. When they said things like she represents corporate interests, that she doubletalks on torture etc etc she brushed it away. The campaign also did not have the “fact hub” at that time to expose BO’s duplicity on the Iran vote. It of course doesnt help when you have biased moderators that goad your opponents into attacking you and a media that would love to see you take a hit.

    Sadly, the hit jobs seem to have worked. Now lets watch her fight back and fight back she will.

  101. can somebody in the dem party please tell mike dukakis to be quiet. he had his chance in 1988 and blew it. i was 18 at the time and sometimes i wished i supported somebody else in the dem primary that year. but mike it has been 20 years, get over it already.LOL.

  102. If those are new national Ras numbers, that means Hillary did fine in yesterday’s polling. Her lead only dropped one point from the day before, and one of her good days dropped from the average. Obama’s two really good days are still in the mix, and one of those will be gone from the rolling average tomorrow.

    As for NH, she’s getting pounded by Repubs there, too. It’s getting down to the nitty gritty now, and this is when she needs to prove she’s the candidate we all know she is.

  103. I have to say that I hope the campaign knows something we don’t — I was thinking this the other day when she was the only one to go to Saddleback to talk to a group not even heavily Democratic. I assume the others passed to, you know, campaign. It also crossed my mind when she and Edwards spoke at that Grist forum. Obama cut back on all the forums a while ago and has been pretty exclusive to IA/NH.

    As far as all the whining from Obama supporters out of IA is concerned, it’s because they know she excels at forums/debates while Obama is flat or stumbles. It’s to preserve his momentum in case he screws up, so this “rigged” story makes the rounds at the pro-Obama outlets like HuffingtonPost and MSNBC. Remember, the key Obama strategy is to set and enforce low expectations for the candidate: it’s OK if he skips votes, it’s OK if he sucks at debates, etc.

  104. Paula:

    Yep. The Rasmussen daily numbers have been swinging wildly ever since Thanksgiving. Obama’s had a day at 12% and a day at 36% in the last week.

    His two really bad days dropped out of the average yesterday and Thursday. Replaced by his two really high numbers. Today’s number is actually quite low…back down around 20%. Look for Obama’s Black Monday in Rasmussen as his outlier high day drops out of the average.

  105. HillaryLandRocks, I totally agree. It’s obvious they are smearing the organizers so if Obama does poorly they can go with their le that it was rigged.

  106. I have to say that I hope the campaign knows something we don’t — I was thinking this the other day when she was the only one to go to Saddleback to talk to a group not even heavily Democratic.

    Yes, I thought so too when I read this. They would not take precious time out of the early primary states if they weren’t confident in their strategy.

  107. My thoughts on the current state of the race:

    a) The combined (and coordinated) attacks of the Republicans, Democrats, and Georgetown Social Club have taken Clinton down. Mission accomplished.

    b) Now what? Now the Democrats and the Georgetown Social Club are forced to confront a question. If not the exceptionally experienced and competent Clinton, then who? Edwards, who continues to rail like a madman against “the system”? Obama, three years removed from a stint as a part-time statehouse hack? The Georgetown Social Club giveth and the Georgetown Social Club taketh away as the scrutiny turns to Barack Hussein Obama. The Clinton bashing has run its news cycle.

    c) This is the opposite of the 2004 dynamic. In that case, the party was taking down an unqualified front runner and moving to an experienced establishment candidate in Kerry (despite his obvious flaws as a candidate). The party has to decide if it wants to jettison its strongest candidate in favor of a shiny new state legislator with faux-preacher rhetoric and a razor thin record of substance. If the Democratic Party goes that direction, they will lose the November 2008 election and wonder what happened.

  108. The Illinois Caucus
    Posted 11/30/2007 2:24 PM CST on Des Moines Register
    Barack Obama’s campaign is telling Iowa college students they can caucus for him even if they aren’t from Iowa.

    His campaign offers that advice in a brochure being distributed on college campuses in the state. A spokesman said it’s legal and that 50,000 of the fliers are being distributed.

    The brochure says: “If you are not from Iowa, you can come back for the Iowa caucus and caucus in your college neighborhood.”

    Given that lots of students in Iowa’s colleges and universities are from Obama’s neighboring home state of Illinois, the effort could net him thousands of additional votes on caucus night.

    It’s not the first time Obama has profited from the fact he’s from an adjacent state. Illinois residents routinely show up at the candidate’s events in eastern Iowa. (The first question Obama took at an Iowa town meeting was from a guy from Naperville.)

    Also, campaign volunteers come from Illinois to campaign for him. And opposing campaigns accused Obama’s campaign of busing people into Iowa from Illinois to attend the recent Jefferson Jackson Dinner, a charge Obama’s campaign has denied.

    The flyer urges Iowa college students to caucus in their hometowns on Jan. 3, when many of them will be on holiday break.

    While it’s legal for college students to register to vote in Iowa to do that, this raises the question of whether it’s fair, or politically smart. No presidential campaign in memory has ever made such a large, open attempt to encourage students from out of state, many of whom pay out-of-state tuition, to participate in the caucuses. No other campaign appears to be doing it in this campaign cycle.

    Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for Obama’s campaign, said “we have no intention of doing something here that is in any way illegal or that will raise questions about the credibility of the caucuses.” He said election laws allow students to register and vote where they go to college and that means they can caucus in those precincts as well.

    That’s fine but these are the Iowa caucuses. Asking people who are “not from Iowa” to participate in them changes the nature of the event.

    And trying to pack the caucuses with people from Illinois might taint Obama’s showing. Polls show Obama is in a close race with Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. Recent surveys show him with a lead of a few points. If he wins the Iowa caucuses with Illinois votes, his victory would be discounted by his opponents and media people.

    The issue of out-of-state residents caucusing in Iowa came up recently when one of the candidates, Chris Dodd, urged his rivals to promise not to encourage their staffers working in Iowa to register as voters so they could participate in the caucuses here. Most of them agreed, including Obama’s campaign. (And, frankly, a few hundred staffers wouldn’t have much of an impact on the outcome anyway. Besides, most of those staffers will be working on caucus night and wouldn’t have time to participate.)

    But turning out-of-state college students into Iowa voters is a different, larger, matter. Thousands of votes are involved and it risks offending long-time Iowa residents.

    But, then, they do politics a little differently in Illinois than they do in Iowa.

  109. I hear what you are saying. Before the Philadelphia debate, I worried on this blog and elsewhere that the stay above the fray approach would be unsustainable in the face of an increasingly aggressive attack. I felt Hillary needed to take a take a different approach, but that wasn’t taken until later. I respect the decision.

    Now, Big Media would like us to believe that the Philadelphia debate is what caused a tightening in the polls. That narrative is hardly surprising because it makes them appear to be a kingmaker.
    But it is another convenient lie. If it were true, then the succeeding debate in Las Vegas where Obama stumbled, Hillary prevailed and the Yepsen headline read The Lady Is A Champ would have reversed the trend.

    So why are the polls tightening? The answer is because it is a naturally occurring phenomenon, time is short, and the contest on the ground is hot. Several months ago, one of the best political analysts in the business predicted this very thing. His name is Robert Zimmerman, and he is a strong Hillary supporter.

    At this point, the hard work on the ground, and the way Hillary showcased her leadership in the context yesterday, are far more important than Russert’s parlor games, the day before Halloween.

  110. This is my main concern about the 3rd of January. People will be from out of state, bussed in, and there’s nothing we can do about it if they have an address to put down in Iowa.

  111. That’s why I say it’s up to NH to make sure that if we fail in Iowa, we win there. It is necessary. I am glad we have such wonderful staff in NH and volunteers and supporters too.

  112. NH is much smaller, and they’ve had female elected officials before. My state is a tough cookie, and it says a lot about how tough she is that she is doing this well here.

  113. I wouldn’t worry too much Celiff. This might work with the college crowd, but an Edwards precinct manager said this sort of thing would really turn off Iowans.

  114. I agree totally with your analysis, hwc. With No. 1, it was almost impossible for Clinton to withstand attacks from all three quarters. She won’t even face that in the GE.

  115. It’s not the first time Obama has profited from the fact he’s from an adjacent state. Illinois residents routinely show up at the candidate’s events in eastern Iowa. (The first question Obama took at an Iowa town meeting was from a guy from Naperville.)

    No presidential campaign in memory has ever made such a large, open attempt to encourage students from out of state, many of whom pay out-of-state tuition, to participate in the caucuses. No other campaign appears to be doing it in this campaign cycle.

    I’m glad this is finally getting some attention in the IA press.

  116. This is something I hadn’t considered:

    “If he wins the Iowa caucuses with Illinois votes, his victory would be discounted by his opponents and media people.”

  117. “If he wins the Iowa caucuses with Illinois votes, his victory would be discounted by his opponents and media people.”

    Well, I don’t know. I wouldn’t rely on the media people.

  118. I agree HLR. I lve right across the river from Illinois when I am not at school and Illinoisans have lots of relatives in Iowa they could stay with. It may turn-off Iowa voters, but what will that matter if he wins because of this?

  119. I am sure Hillary’s Iowa team knows of this, in fact I talked with the top person in Iowa about it when she was in Iowa City. Obama is from a city where dirty politics are evn dirtier than Washington’s.

  120. HWC, I agree with you totally.

    One thing I think about though…it’s possible Obama is peaking now because people are just shopping around a little before the primaries due to all the negative Hillary hoopla. When they actually get into the voting booth they may have second thoughts about actually voting for him..at least I think that could happen..

  121. I hope it will happen. Iowa, the main thing we need to stress is her electability vs. the others. She is electable. There is still that myth that she is too unelectable, when in fact the opposite is true.

  122. There is still that myth that she is too unelectable

    It’s the #1 barrier I’ve hit when canvassing locally — and this is w/ people I know from previous elections. The issue is that most of these folks get their info from cable news.

    The recent post-TG hit in the polls is entirely due to the fake Zogby poll that dominated the news while Gallup fell to the wayside. Older folks especially don’t understand the implications of a self-selecting internet poll.

  123. Regular primary (caucus) voters don’t spend their time on dailykooks or mydud. Instead, they have a tv in the kitchen trained on one of the cable channels, and it’s on all waking hours.

    The 65+ voters primarily use the internet for email (and often have a son/daughter ‘fix’ the latest screw-up that prevents them from getting their mail). They don’t surf for news.

    They do pay attention to the newspapers — both the major area paper and the free local weekly.

  124. BTW, I fully expect Obama and Edwards to join forces in an arms-length 527 advertising attack on Clinton — similar to the Robert Gibbs Dean/Osama ads of 2004.

    The Obama campaign showed their hand early in this campaign with their 1984 attack ad.

  125. AG — is this the Heartland Forum? Don’t they appear one at a time? I’m sure Hillary will be there.

  126. I read somewhere that she may be appearing via satellite due to airports being closed by the snowstorm

    We are also getting hammered here in Minnesota with heavy snow, sleet and ice….it’s a mess..

  127. Hillary, Not Barack, Is The One

    Posted December 1, 2007 | 09:06 AM (EST)

    Barack Obama is a likeable, thoughtful and intelligent young man and is a solid liberal voice in the US Senate. However, as his campaign proceeds, it is increasingly evident that he is not yet ready for promotion to the presidency. He has run his race on the basis of being an agent for change. So far, he has not given much evidence of what change he is advocating and how far his changes will go.

    His health plan, for example, does not cover everybody; he is spending time trying to fix Social Security, which most experts agree is in relatively good shape, rather than Medicare, which does need help; he talks incessantly (and piously) about bringing people together without explaining what that really means; he makes naïve claims about his mastery of foreign policy – e.g., that he is “experienced” because he lived overseas for six years as a child – that make him look insubstantial; and for all his touted freshness in global thinking, recently rather than embrace the most important international organization on the planet, the United Nations, he attacked it in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for its “flaws” – something conservatives do all the time.

    In my view, he is a good person who simply lacks a substantive enough track-record in national and international issues at this point in his life to handle the presidency. My choice is Hillary Clinton. We who live in her home state, New York, have known and admired her for a long time. We know what America is now discovering about her – namely that she is an unusually tough and savvy political figure.

    While she has outshone her competitors in the presidential debates, she displayed similar aptitude and adroitness in her senatorial runs in New York State. In her current campaign, she has presented an array of liberal alternatives to the Bush Administration but again she has done much the same during her time in Congress. She has known defeats (e.g., health care in 1994) but she has now turned her reversals into legislative prowess on the Hill. Her work on the Senate Armed Services Committee and her fact-finding visits overseas belie the notion that she has limited foreign policy experience. Her vote for the congressional resolution on Iraq in 2002 was a vote for continued weapons inspection and diplomacy and in opposition to preemptive war as she clearly stated in her Senate floor speech.

    She has had her share of personal setbacks or woes, but she had invariably displayed a poise amidst all of them, which has discomfited her adversaries. Meantime she draws on powerful reserves of support from the minority community and women. Abroad she remains an inspirational leader for the United States. The American primary process once again reveals the strengths and weaknesses of our presidential contenders, despite its costs, its length, and its confusions.

    The contest this year has given the American electorate a clearer picture of the formidable presence which Hillary Clinton will bring as the party nominee and which she will surely bring to the chief executive post in Washington.

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