A Hillary Loss and Some Wins

Barack Obama’s past few weeks of Hillary sliming have earned him a continuing plunge in election polls. Obama’s gay bashing tour in South Carolina should deflate his election prospects further. We discuss the latest developments in Barack Obama’s gay bashing tour later today.

Hillary Clinton continues to shine and to put forth a positive agenda. No matter how much Hillary Clinton is slimed by Obama and his Chicago Circus, she shines. In Iowa yesterday, Hillary said she understood what was going on with the piling on. Hillary said: I am well aware this is ‘pile on.’ I used to play touch football with my brothers and my friends, and I am on the bottom and they are piling on, and I’m thinking how am I going to get out of here?

Hillary does not have to worry, she has many friends and supporters and her election prospects grow ever brighter:

Democratic candidate for president New York Senator Hillary Clinton is solidifying her support from the many different demographic groups that make up the Democratic primary voters. Her support comes at the expense of Illinois Senator Barack Obama. He has lost strength in such groups as those with higher education and the affluent, which were mainstays of his candidacy. In the current LA Times/Bloomberg poll, nearly half of Democratic primary voters said they would vote for Clinton, while 17% would vote for Obama. In a challenge to Obama, former North Carolina Senator John Edwards receives the support of 13% of voters (an uptick of five points from a June LA Times/Bloomberg poll). The other candidates are in single digits, with no movement from earlier polls. Fifteen percent are undecided. In the same June poll, Clinton received a third of the vote to Obama’s 22% (in the earlier poll former VP Al Gore was mentioned and he received 15% support). The Democrats are much more satisfied with their presidential choices than the Republicans. Three-fifths of Clinton’s voters and more than half of Obama’s supporters are certain that they would vote for their candidate (nearly half for Edwards), while most Republicans said they could change their mind and vote for someone else. [snip]

Clinton appears to be the presumptive frontrunner in the Democratic primary, according to the results of the poll. She has managed to get the support of most of the demographic groups, making big inroads into groups that were aligned with Obama. The expectations are very high for the NY Senator because of her commanding lead in national polls. However, in early primaries like Iowa and New Hampshire her lead shrinks. But, if she doesn’t do as well as the media or pundits perceive she should in the early primaries and caucus, the media around her will go very negative endorsing people’s views that she is too polarizing or that she cannot win a general election.

One thing for Obama to consider during the gay bashing tour in South Carolina is Hillary’s growing strength with college graduates (Hillary 40%, Obama 21% – up from the June poll – Hillary 25%, Obama 26%). Obama also lost support with younger voters, 18-44, (Hillary 42%, Obama 20% – up from the June poll – Hillary 25%, Obama 26%). Keep bashing Hillary and gays, Obama, you’ll soon be in single digits.

Even the right-wing looneys are getting the point about the futility of resistance Hillary hate:

But see if you can spot the problem. Conservatives are fraught, angry at their traditional party, unable to decide on a standard-bearer, unsure even what they stand for. They don’t think this is the year to sort those problems out. They’re counting on a short-cut when the Democrats nominate an unelectable cold fish who has infuriated the Right for a decade and a half. Millions remember how they felt when she belittled other wives for “staying home and baking cookies,” and Bill Clinton promised voters “two for the price of one” if they sent his family to the White House.

On the Right, the list of grievances was even longer. Both Clintons were seen as ambassadors of 1960s radicalism and cultural decadence, and Hillary was the worse of the two: a pro-choice feminist who didn’t take her husband’s name until pollsters told her it would help him make a political comeback.

Yet for all of that outrage, Republicans lost that election to the Clintons. And the hope that voters will see what they see and reject what the Clintons stand for resembles the plan Democrats clung to in 2004. They choose John Kerry on the theory he would be the least controversial general-election candidate, then counted on an electorate fed up with George W. Bush to deliver the election.

In the nearly three years since, Hillary has been the de facto Democratic candidate. The Right’s efforts to attack her have fallen completely, pathetically flat. Her popularity is low, but not much lower than Bush’s was in 2004. If the linchpin of a 2008 campaign is unifying Republicans in the cause of defeating Hillary, it might be enough to stitch together most of the conservative movement—but not enough to win.

Hey, they really do get it:

Compare the efforts of 2007 to the efforts of 1999 and 2000. After First Lady Hillary Clinton started seeking a Senate seat, Republican donors practically sprained their wrists signing checks. Rudy Giuliani, a social liberal whom Republicans weren’t as comfortable with then as now, raised more than $20 million. When Giuliani left the race, Rep. Rick Lazio raised $4.5 million in six weeks.

That wasn’t the limit of the Hillary effect. The National Republican Senatorial Committee saw its donations surge when it asked supporters to banish the Clintons from Washington once and for all. By the middle of 2000, the committee raised $20 million, twice as much as it had raised in 1998 and triple what it raised in 1996. “She’s now the Republican Party’s No. 1 fundraiser,” said a spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee to a reporter from The Hill.

It was a simpler time. This past July, the National Republican Senatorial Committee sent out a “quiz” to donors that warned, “Hillary Clinton is calling Senate Democrats to push a passage of measures to institute government-run healthcare.” Imagine, a President Hillary Clinton with a massive Senate majority to do her bidding! But appeals like that have done nothing for the NRSC: their Democratic counterparts have out-raised them by $34.1 to $18.1 million. The month of the quiz letter, the Democrats beat them by $2.7 to $2.2 million. [snip]

And those efforts have been absolute triumphs compared to the third-party anti-Hillary efforts and PACs. The first sign that conservative donors were growing less animated about the Clintons was the launch of Stop Her Now in February 2005. Republican strategist Arthur Finkelstein planned on raising $10 million for a campaign along the lines of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the 2004 group that raised $27 million to attack John Kerry’s Vietnam service and his homeland antiwar activism.

Finkelstein failed. The group recorded a radio ad that was never broadcast and from its founding through June 2005, reported only one $500 donation. Over the next year, Clinton glided to her Senate re-election as the group raised only $25,000, and she out-raised her opponent by nearly ten to one.

Stop Her Now actually survived that election after Texas philanthropist Richard Collins (a Swift Boat donor) bought it and hired a new crop of media consultants. Now the group offers a news feed that collates Hillary headlines and a series of cartoons that mock the senator as a humorless, power-mad talk-show host. Collins wants to raise about $8 million before the end of the race—a much more modest goal than Finkelstein’s $10 million for a race in New York—but there will be no mention of family problems or sex scandals. “We want to define the radical ideas of Hillary Clinton,” he says, “but not in a mean-spirited way.”

Hey, they really, really do get it:

That might be one reason the Right can’t rally against Hillary. Conservative division has led to depression, a sense that a Clinton restoration is inevitable, and that the best plan going ahead is to wait for her election and watch as, like her husband, she stumbles and seeds a GOP comeback. A mid-July CBS News poll revealed that 53 percent of Republicans thought it was very or somewhat likely that Clinton would win the presidency. Few Republicans think the party can win back Congress in 2008. Combine that with the anger that between one-third and one-quarter of the GOP base feels toward George W. Bush, and the relentless negativity starts to make sense.

“There’s a big difference between 2000 and 2007,” says John LeBoutillier, a former Republican congressman from New York and the head of Stop Hillary PAC. “In 2000, everyone on the Right hated Clinton and Gore, and we rallied to the guy we didn’t know: Bush. It’s different now. We hate Bush, and we hate the Bushes. We hate watching the Clintons palling around with the Bushes on goodwill tours and the like.”

There is another reason conservatives can’t count on Hillary: she offends and irritates them so deeply that they have trouble actually strategizing against her.

Obama take note, force Axelrod and Gibbs (you better tell Michelle too, if you dare) to read this:

Obviously, 2008 is not going to lack for anti-Hillary campaigns. There will be more books, more speculation about scandals, more digging into financial records—a treasure hunt for some silver bullet that will finally end her career. This is exactly what the Clinton campaign is ready for, and they’re in luck: the swing vote that will elect the next president is far angrier at Republicans and George W. Bush than it is at her right now. It’s moved on. It wants to hear some new arguments.

Hooray for Hillary! The most powerful union in Iowa caucus politics gets Hillary:

ABC News’ Eloise Harper and Teddy Davis Report: Citing labor sources, Newsweek’s Howard Fineman is reporting that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., will receive the endorsement of the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees (A.F.S.C.M.E.) next week.

A.F.S.C.M.E. cannot confirm that the endorsement is going to Clinton.

But the powerful public employees union, which has 1.4 million members, says that it will either go to her — or to no one.

Its search committee is meeting Tuesday, Oct. 30, in Washington, D.C., to determine if they will make a recommendation for a presidential endorsement, and if so, for whom.

The search committee’s report will then go to A.F.S.C.M.E.’s international executive board which will make a final determination on Wednesday, Oct. 31, in Washington, D.C.

Now, for the bad news. Hillary had a major loss this week. As much as she tried it looks like she lost a big demographic group to Dennis Kucinich. Hillary did her best for this group. Treated them like family. But they went with a candidate closer in spirit to them.

We’ll keep trying for that vote, but it looks lost for sure. Again, Hillary tried her best.


We can’t win them all. Congratulations Dennis.

In her [Shirley McLaine] new book, “Sage-Ing While Age-Ing,” the actress recalls the Ohio congressman standing on the balcony of her Washington state home when “he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn’t comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind.”


27 thoughts on “A Hillary Loss and Some Wins

  1. the latest latimes poll is breathtaking….not because Hillary’s numbers have improved, which they have, but because in those groups that favored or were tied with Obama, she is now seriously ahead.

    What is left is passion. His only shot is to get his voters fired up while her voters become passive.
    So……get everyone you know to the caucuses or the voting booth. We must assume that all of their supporters will show up along with some undecided.

    Hillary is converting the majority of voters to her…we have to see that they get registered, and show up. It’s organization now…rides to the polls or the caucuses, reminder phone calls, help for the disabled and senior citizens. If we all bring one voter with us, we won’t let this slip away.

  2. Ah yes, nice buildup to bad news only to leave me laughing (: That was good. I hope the conservatives feel disenchanted (: They should. They are going to lose to a Clinton again (:

  3. Dodd and Edwards

    I didn’t catch this on the first listen to Chris Dodd’s new ad, but as his barbershop scene fades at the very end, he asks the barber, “How much are these haircuts?”

    It’s an obvious shot at John Edwards, and seems to be part of a broader move by Dodd to attempt to occupy what had been, specifically, Edwards’ place in the race: As the hero of the online Left and the voice of confrontation, rather than compromise, with the administration.

  4. “In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, little has changed. Clinton attracts 46% support and continues to enjoy a commanding lead over Barack Obama, who earns the vote from 19%. John Edwards attracts 15%. Delaware Senator Joe Biden is supported by 4% and no other candidate attracts more than 3% support from Likely Democratic Primary Voters”(see recent daily numbers).

    “A Rasmussen Reports analysis this week noted that the only bad numbers for Clinton these days can be found on the calendar.”

    Quite a compliment coming from Rasmussen, methinks!

    Mrs. S.

  5. From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro and Chuck Todd
    Sources tell First Read the Clinton campaign is making a push to significantly step up their efforts in Iowa. They are aiming to add more 100 paid staff in the Hawkeye State by Nov. 1.

  6. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6521.html

    Sen. Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan, threatened Wednesday to hold Michigan’s presidential nominating contest on the same day as the New Hampshire primary in order to end New Hampshire’s “cockamamie” first-in-the nation role.

    “While Michigan recently passed a law saying it would hold its primary on Jan. 15 — causing New Hampshire to say it would go no later than Jan. 8 — Levin said Michigan Democrats now could hold a caucus and move up to the same day as New Hampshire.”

    New Hampshire Secretary of State Bill Gardner told Politico, however, that he was prepared to keep New Hampshire first and once again raised the possibility he could hold the primary in December of this year.

    “I moved the filing period [when candidates can register to get their names on the ballot] up so it would end Nov. 2, so we could have a primary in early December if need be,” Gardner said in a phone interview Wednesday morning.

    When I asked Gardner if he could conduct the New Hampshire primary as early as Dec. 4, Gardner said, “We’ll see. We might.”

  7. Michigan has nothing to lose. Howard Dean has already stripped them of their delegates and held a gun to the candidates’ heads to make them pledge not to campaign there. All of the candidates (except Clinton) have conspired to pull their names off the ballot.

    Michigan could hold its primary or caucus tomorrow and not suffer any additional consequences. Any good negotiator knows to not escalate hostilities or punishments unnecessarily, leaving additional steps to use as leverage. Howard Dean apparently didn’t read that part of his college international relations books. Maybe that’s why he’s not President.

  8. I am hoping for NH to move to December. That will only help us here in Iowa. Iowa is so difficult. I am thrilled to hear that they are increasing staff. They need to. We don’t have that much longer. As Hillary pointed out, Iowa and Mississippi are the only states in the union that have never had a female governor, nor a female representative or senator. Like she also said, sad for us Iowans, we shouldn’t be on par with Mississippi in any instance. She can say this, not expecting to receive Mississippi’s votes (:

  9. LMAOROFL @ “HILLARY ADOPTS ALIEN BABY”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Its such a perfect reminder of the RIDICULOUSNESS of the things that HILLARY HATERS say. The public is not dumb. They know the HATRED of HIllary is irrational and unwarranted. This truly DOES remind me of the 90’s, when the GOP tried smear after smear, and the MORE they smeared the CLINTONS, the more popular they were.

  10. Breaking: Edwards-linked 527 will start Clinton attack ads in early primaries

    See politico:

    A newly formed political action committee is aiming to stop Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary by calling into question her progressive credentials.

    “We think there are other Democratic presidential candidates who are both more progressive and have a better chance of beating the Republicans than she does,” said the president of Democratic Courage, Glenn Hurowitz.

    He declined to tip his hand on the group’s case against Clinton, but said the PAC plans a paid media campaign in the early primary states to make its position clear.

    “We’ll definitely have sufficient resources to make a significant media buy,” he said, adding that their campaign against Clinton would be “edgy” enough to get attention. “We don’t need to raise an immense amount of money to make a big difference.”

    Hurowitz and Goldman have both contributed to the campaign of former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, but Hurowitz said their effort is independent of any campaign.

  11. Someone at QUEERTY POSTED some of Donnie McClurkins SICK AND TWISTED writings about the NEED TO HATE GAYS, and I thought I would share them. After reading them, I need a shower!


    The seed that was planted had to be first destroyed from the root and plucked up. I had to become tired of the torment and seek a genuine exit from the desire. I read in Ecclesiastes 3 that there is a time to love and a time to hate. That struck me as odd because I had never heard a sermon deal with why to, what to, who to and how to hate. I had to learn how to actually hate the thing that was abhorrent to God—even if it is in me.God started to deal with me through that Scripture and show me what He meant:

    1. Why to hate. He hates the things that are purposed to destroy the ones He loves and are against His nature and design. He created me to be a whole man and to love one woman. Anything else is perversion of the male purpose.

    2. What to hate. Whatever has been sent to confuse, delay and deny me of my purpose has to become my enemy.

    3. Whom to hate. The church tends to misdirect their emotions toward what they deem “sin,” we condemn the person instead of the deed. We have damaged and lost so many with our pious and sanctimonious attitudes.

    Ephesians 6:12 says, “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” (KJV). Our battle is not with a person, but with the spirit that caused things to happen through the person. I do not hate the men who sexually abused me in my childhood, nor the predators who preyed on me in my weakness. I hate what caused these men to do this, what infected their minds and brought them to damage a child’s life.

    (Clearly he never preaches against pedophilia, he preaches against homosexuality. This man is a hate monger in the clearest sense – in his own words. He thinks homosexuals raped him, not pedophiles. Sad sad sad.)

    4. How to hate. Develop a “dislike” for the things that have interrupted your happiness. See that wrong is wrong, no matter how you feel. The appetite that has been developed through years of abuse for things that are harmful must change. Regardless of how comfortable you have become in these situations. I began to pray daily, especially when the lust would stir up: “Lord, teach me how to hate what You hate.” I would constantly recite, “Every enemy of God is an enemy of mine.”

    While my struggle continued, the more I immersed myself in the study of the Scriptures and used those verses during my temptation, I began to win the battle. Psalm 119:9-11 (NKJV) says: “How can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your word. With my whole heart, I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments! Your word I have hidden in my heart, that I might not sin against You.” By the Power of GodI found that when I knew the Scriptures and used them in the midst of my temptation, they gave me strength to overcome. I do not want it to sound so simple; there are many other things to be done to break the curse of homosexuality. The power of Scripture did help bring me to total deliverance. The seed was killed from its root, plucked up, and now there is a seed of righteousness that is incorruptible.

  12. I commented on this new freaky-left-left wing blog, and it said that the owner reads and approves the comments, so I hope he reads mine (:

  13. agreed sandy!!

    Regardless of how ‘strange’ Dennis experience might seem to most of us, I will not paint him as a freak, he is a very decent wonderful man with a pure good heart and principles.
    Next to Hillary, he’s my guy!

    But, in this world of ours, he is currently unelectable.

  14. Gorto,

    Yes Kucinich is very unelectable, but very lovable. I hope to see/hear more from him in the years to come. I am sure he will be very supportive when “our girl” is President too.

    In contrast, I hope OBAMA loses his Senate re-Election bid in 2010, and that we never have to see or hear from him again.

  15. The only time I want to see Kucinich again is when he gives his concession speech at his Democratic primary loss in his next congressional campaign.

    Voting against SCHIP was the final straw for me.

  16. hwc..

    Too True.. Kucinich loves grandstanding promoting unattainable goals. And yes, he doesn’t belong in Congress. He should be a citizen activest, thats it!

    Mrs. S.

  17. hwc,

    It looks like Edwards/Obama campaign did get a stern warning from Asian American community according to Washington Post.

    When a non partisan advocacy group for Asian Americans released a statement decrying recent news reports about questionable contributions Sen. Hillary Clinton raised in Chinatown, the timing and the message could not have been better for the Clinton campaign.


    Chen said she called the Clinton campaign, as well as contacts in the campaigns of Barack Obama and John Edwards, because she wanted to urge them to avoid a repeat of the tarring that Asian American donors took in the 1990s in conncetion with contributions made to Bill Clinton.

    Chen said it took 10 years to get over the scandals of 1996. “Our community is just now starting to engage again in voter participation.”

  18. “There is another reason conservatives can’t count on Hillary: she offends and irritates them so deeply that they have trouble actually strategizing against her.”


  19. No link available yet Kostner.

    Union Leader:
    Barack Obama has been hit with some local criticism for signing a gospel singer allegedly with anti-gay views to campaign with him as part of an upcoming South Carolina tour.

    According to the New York Times, Donnie McClurkin, “a black preacher who sang at the Republican National Convention in 2004, has gained notoriety for his view that homosexuality is a choice and can be ‘cured’ through prayer, a view ridiculed by gay people.”

    Mo Baxley of the New Hampshire Freedom to Marry Coalition said yesterday that while the group respects Obama and his “good track record on LGBT issues,” his decision to “align himself publicly with anti-gay individuals is both hurtful and disappointing and we are saddened that a person who has so consistently supported basic civil rights for gay and lesbian Americans would choose to do so.”

    Baxley said Obama “should be surrounding himself with people who enhance his ideals in their own lives, work and ministries and hope that in the future, the senator will be more careful in his selection of such programs. He excels at finding common ground but he cannot do so at the expense of American LGBT citizens.”

    Obama’s campaign re-issued a statement in which Obama calls gays and lesbians “our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country. I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin’s views.”

    Baxley said a UCLA study last year found that about 6 percent of Granite Staters are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transsexual.


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