Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Kuch, Gravel New Hampshire Debate

UPDATE:  (from the comments) “When that lowlife Russert mugged her, and it was a mugging and unfair by not mentioning the hypothetical was supposedly from Bill Clinton, Hillary still stood strong. 

Russert did a slimy “gotcha” moment.  The slimiest moment of any debate.  Disgusting.

Hillary still beat Russert – Russert was her real opponent in this debate.”


MSNBC Webstream HERE

Debate tonight. Politico has this about the role of the media (and echo of Tucker Carlson and Chris Matthews earlier today):

I know this is incredibly simplistic, and assumes that voters are sort of sexist, but:

Has a male candidate ever benefited from attacking a woman on stage? Ever?

It’s a consideration that has to put a damper on the gunning-for-the-frontrunner scenario that the dynamics of the race suggest, and for which the media is rooting so wholeheartedly.


Russert:  As President what would you do on Iraq?

Obama:  I opposed the war.  No more funding.  No military solution.

Russert: Will there be troops after 4 years of your presidency?

Obama: Can’t tell.  Don’t know the situation 4 years from now.

Russert: Senator Clinton you won’t pledge to have all troops out after 4 years of your presidency.

Hillary: I agree with Barack.  We don’t know what will happen in 4 years.  Democrats have tried after 2006 elections to end the war.  I want the troops out but cannot promise.  The Republicans won’t vote with Democrats to end the war.  President is irresponsible to have over 100,000 troops in Iraq.

Russert: Will you agree to have no troops after first 4 years of your presidency?

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California Club 44 – Help Hillary, Debate Tonight, Bill, Nader (ugh)

Update:   We’ve heard that the latest laugh from the Obama campaign is his claim that he is sick but will still attend the debate tonight.  If he does badly again, the Obama campaign has a schoolkid excuse ready. 

On his show Tucker Carlson said that all the media likes Obama better and they are rooting for him and want him to win and go after Hillary. 

The debate will be carried live and will also be streamed on msnbc.com (no link yet).  Telemundo will rebroadcast the debate at 11:35 p.m ET and PT.



Will Elizabeth Edwards jump on stage tonight – push her handsome husband into the spectator seats – like a World Wrestling Federation wrestler and attempt to debate Hillary herself? What novel deprecations will Michelle Obama devise to further belittle her husband? For answers to these questions watch the debate – TONIGHT, 9:00 p.m. on MSNBC. Tim Russert will moderate.

We’ll be on the job covering the debate, fingers crossed for our plucky heroine – Hillary Clinton.

Yesterday’s CNN/WMUR New Hampshire poll has Hillary 23 points ahead of second place Obama. The latest Stanford Group research gives Hillary the nomination and the presidency (short headline “Wall Street says Hillary Is 44“). The Hill wonders whether tonight is the night when earlier predictions of attacks on Hillary will come true.

Both Elmendorf and Dante Scala, a political science professor at the University of New Hampshire, said the early strategies of Clinton’s rivals — wait for her to implode, stumble or become too polarizing a figure to advance — have not come to be. Now, the only way to weaken Clinton’s standings is to start attacking her on what they perceive as her weaknesses. The question is, who will strike out first.

“Their options are becoming more and more limited,” Scala said. “We’re going to see sharper attacks, [and] conventional wisdom among the candidates is that Clinton is the one to shoot for.”

If Clinton were to win not just the nomination but also the presidency, some of the candidates might want a job from her, Elmendorf said, making the decision to attack her all the more daunting.

“It’s a game of chicken between those guys to see who’s going to attack her,” Elmendorf said. He added that with time running out, “Either they do it, or it’s going to pass them by.”

In good news, a major meeting of Club 44: September 30, 2007 at 4:45 p.m. Oakland, California – Clay Street (between 12th Street and 14th Street) Hillary will attend. Speakers. Live bands. All for $20.00. Visit Http://www.HillaryClinton.com/ca for more details. Club 44 meeting on the last day of the third quarter for fundraising. Help Hillary. Remember in her Senate campaign in 2006 Hillary did best in the third quarter – let’s repeat that performance.

Another way to help Hillary and spend time with 42.

“Hillary’s campaign will pick three people – each invited with a guest to watch one of the upcoming presidential debates with me,” Bill Clinton writes. “We’ll sit down in front of a big TV with a big bowl of chips, watch the debate, and talk about the race. If you enter before the Sunday midnight deadline, you and a guest could be the ones to sit down with me to watch a presidential debate.”

“When I tell you I like watching Hillary debate, I mean it,” the former president wrote. “You’re talking to the man who stayed up until four in the morning on a trip through Africa just to catch on of her debates live. So if you want to watch a debate with me – or if you just want to help Hillary win – enter today, and you and your guest might join me for a debate soon.”

PINOs and Naderites are happy.

“To an awful lot of people, Ralph Nader appears to be threatening, once again, to play the role of a spoiled brat whose purpose in life appears to be … electing Republicans by draining off votes from Democrats,” said Trounstine, who heads the San Jose State Center for Policy and Research.

Nader’s presidential aspirations are viewed by many as evidence that he is on “an enormous ego trip with potentially destructive impact,” Trounstine said.

Nader relies on Ripublicans to fund his campaigns and get him on the ballot. Nader claims there is no difference between Democrats and Ripublicans. Why doesn’t Nader run for the Ripublican nomination? Nader would fit right in between Newt and Alan Keyes.