Obama Is 46

It’s Barack Obama’s 46th birthday today. Happy Birthday Senator. Just remember though, you are 46 years old, but Hillary Is 44 (as in president).

To celebrate Senator Obama’s birthday here on Big Pink, anyone who has had a comment already published on this website will receive as our thanks for supporting Hillary, one Hillary Is 44 button (send mailing address if you qualify to admin at HillaryIs44.org).

On this, Obama’s 46th birthday it is appropriate to ask: Why does Obama believe he has the experience to be president of the United States? According to Obama, because 40 years ago, when he was 6 (in 1967) he lived in Indonesia.

“Look, one thing I’m very confident about is my judgment in foreign policy is, I believe, better than anyone else in this race, Republican or Democrat. “And I don’t base that simply on the fact that I was right on the war in Iraq. But if you look at how I approached the problem. What I was drawing on was a set of experiences that come from a life of living overseas, having family overseas, being able to see the world through the eyes of people outside our borders.”

That alleged overseas insight has failed him now that American flags are being burned in Pakistan to protest Obama’s threats.

Writing last week about the previous week’s debate blunder David Corn in the liberal The Nation magazine wrote

If Obama gets close to the Democratic presidential nomination, pro-Hillary Clinton forces could air such an ad. If he wins the nomination, the Republicans could hammer him with such a spot.

And the junior senator from Illinois will not have much of a defense.

Here is how the Ripublicans are already targeting Obama:

Here is video of Obama making his threat, from a European perspective:

Happy Birthday Senator Obama.

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69 thoughts on “Obama Is 46

  1. Bill Clinton was 46 when he became president, but Bill Clinton was ready.

    There is an ongoing movement at daily kos to make Hillary supporters trolls, but we’re pushing back hard.

    Thanks, Secret, that was fascinating.

    Admin: my e-mail is head your way for my, “Hillary is 44,” button.

  2. I cant wait for my HILLARYIS44 button. I am going to wear it to work, and when people ask about it, I am going to use it as an opener to talk about the lifelong achievements of HILLARY CLINTON.

    OBAMA is not even President yet, and he is disrupting the delicate and fragile diplomatic relations between the US and PAKISTAN.

    NOT TO OBAMA: Please shut up. And Happy Birthday.

  3. Sandy,
    Have you met Ms. Clinton yet? You promise to share with us the experience don’t you? And please do wear the Hillary button to work. How fun Obama is going down and down very soon. Go Hillary Go!!!

  4. i wear my hillary 2008 button everywhere at home and when i venture out. i can’t wear it at work but i have the pin on my backpack AT WORK. i get thumbs up and rage depending on the person. GO HILLARY GO!!!!!

  5. SECRET,

    I am going to a VIEWING PARTY for the LGBT forum in West Hollywood at the ABBEY, and Hillary is going to show up after the DEBATE is over. Thats actually next week!!!!! And I sure do promise to tell you how it goes!! I am really looking forward to it! And If I have the Button by then, I sure will wear it.

  6. Secret,

    For the MSM to call this site an anti-Obama hate site is just another aspect of the media’s “cocooning” of BO. Another recent example would be Dick Gregory’s labelling of Hillary as the attacker, on last Friday’s NBC news, in the aftermath of the last debate while ignoring BO’s attack on Hillary (Bush-Cheney lite).

    We all remember the 2000 campaign as one in which the MSM constantly criticized Al Gore for every little thing–even made-up stuff. Well, the flip side of that is the preferential treatment George Bush got. The media “cocooned” him–insulated Bush from legitimate criticism of his lack of experience, intelligence, and competence. His goofs were either ignored or downplayed. MSM is doing the same thing for BO.

    Why is the MSM doing this? I believe that it is not because they (it?) want BO to be president; I believe it is because they want BO to be the Democratic candidate for president. The 1972 election wipe-out has to be a fond memory for Republicans. Then, Democrats gained the (unfair) reputation as being soft on defense which dogged us and hurt us for decades. Now, Republicans are in a position to be permanently tarred with Bush’s incompetence so it is to their benefit for the Democratic candidate to be someone who can be easily attacked as lacking experience, being a lightweight, and potentially incompetent. Of course, my whole theory depends on the belief that the interests of the MSM and the Republican Party are generally the same. Given the conservative tilt of the media and what happened during the election in 2000, it is hard to believe otherwise.

    You are right–Leave this Site Alone! Are there going to be more attacks on this website in the future? Probably. But that isn’t going to stop me from being here. In fact, it makes it more likely!

  7. DCDEM, I have also noticed the Daily Kooks are targeting Hill supporters as trolls. And it looks like Edwards fans have jumped on the O Bomb A wagon for now. Anyway – happy b-day to Bahawk, and I hope he doesn’t do any more to harm our already faltering reputation around the world. Interestingly I watched the McClaughlin group last night, and most of them including McClaughlin himself thought O’Bama had destroyed his chances over the last few weeks for the nom. The conservatives on there think Hill is definitely doing the best job, and Pat Buchanan has been saying he thinks her chances of winning the GE are good, admittedly saying that the Repugs looks pathetic. The only one who supported O’Bama was Eleanor – and although I usually agree with her thought she completely out of it last night.

  8. This is hardy a “hate” site. I don’t believe
    anyone has uses invectives. We have not
    called him racial slurs. We are sticking
    to the political facts as we see them. I
    can’t see that be hateful.

    What I am, and hopeful you all, are dogged
    supporters of Hillary Clinton. We are tired
    of Huffington Post, Daily Kos and other sites
    allowing personal invectives and unbridaled
    political agendas used against her
    going unchallenged. If you are looking for
    nasty go elsewhere.

    What we do here it look at poll results, the
    debates and issues as they impact the
    campaign. If we see a weakness and
    hypocrisy in other candidates and their
    campaigns, it is our right and duty to expose
    it.

    And, perhaps more importantly, its to expose
    the hypocrisy of the MSM who constantly
    misrepresent and misquote Hillarys words,
    statements, and positions. That is the
    genesis of some caustic remarks, not hate.

    Target 51% by October 1.

    it.

  9. kitforhill: Kossacks are frequently using the term, “Hillary Trolls.” I had a run in with someone whose ID number is 12 times higher than mine, and he was accusing me of spamming with Hillary polls. He immediately started positing an Obama film that has been all over the web site. I am hoping that Hillary’s presentation in YearlyKos will quiet things down a bit and make more people, more receptive to her.

  10. Good morning, folks, Ditto to what has been said here on this forum today. Although I have joined this site only recently, I’ve never seen anything that I would call “hate-speech” or I wouldn’t be here. I like to joke, as do others, but hate speech, which is so prolific on the internet now, and most especially on some blogs, is not something that I am at all fond of. We do call things as we see them as presented by the media, or by the candidates, themselves. What we’ve focused on lately is what many people are noticing, and that is Senator Obama’s lack of experience compared to Senator Clinton. There have been a number of examples in the foreign policy realm as we are now all aware. But I am primarily here to talk with others who strongly support Hillary Clinton and who like to talk about how the campaigns are going and who want to exchange ideas on the issues. I also think it is important to keep our eyes open for our candidate being blindsided by false accounts and ads. Senator Clinton has an excellent team, and I am certain that they are on top of things, but it is possible to become aware of ways that the Senator is being undermined, and in that case, it would be our responsibility to point these things out to the appropriate people. I’m looking for ways to support the Senator in more proactive ways and at this point there aren’t a lot of things going on in my neck of the woods. That’s all for now, folks, I appreciate what you all are doing to support Hillary Clinton. –MollyJ.

  11. Yes i agree with everyone, this is hardly a hate site. In fact, i have thought Hillary supporters to be a lot more civil than the other supporters. It actually says a lot about her campaign and the people attracted to her. And DCDEM i have noticed that Hillary supporters are being called trolls or better yet shills. I have seen supporters posting positive Hill diaries being accused of getting paid by the Hillary campaign. It’s pretty down and dirty. I was accused of being racist when i said I thought Obama just wasn’t yet experienced enough. I was then accused by (LV POL) of being a troll and she said if I used that empty suit meme again, she would troll me. Of course when Hillary is accused of only being in the race because she’s married to Bill, or that basically she has no identity of her own, that isn’t sexist right? Anyway….quite amazing really… I am glad this site is here, and we can be open about our Hillary support without being beaten up.

  12. SactoDem,

    Yes, I agree, the msm is “cocooning” Obama. One doesn’t have to wonder very hard as to why that is so. He seems to be the Neocons choice.

    kitfohill,

    Yes, this is sort of a haven as a venue for suporting Hillary without fear of being attacked by wiley regressive progressives! And if you can believe it, there are some so jealous of my support for Hillary, they will go to any lengths to see me discredited because I defend her at every turn. But mostly because I see Obama for what he is and make no bones about making my observations known publicaly in writing.

    Obama supporters all have the same qualities in common. Thin-skined, blind to the Truth, in what they see, hear and read. Makes you wonder, what mechanism is it with them, that they can go on day after day living a Lie?

    Have a great weekend,

    Mrs. S

  13. In my experience I’ve found Hillary, and those who work for her and support her, to truly embrace the notion of diversity. It is reflected in her advisory committees and in her staff, as well as in the ever growing group of supporters. There are those who have simply bought the ideas that have been portrayed about her–but once folks actually see her in person, or see her in a longer venue (like a debate, for example) — they get a better feel for how she actually is. She has been active at the community level since the 1970’s. And she became quite active in Arkansas with issues pertaining to children, women and education in the 1980’s. I know someone who served on a commission with Hillary during that time and she began a scrapbook of Hillary clippings–way back then–because she was so impressed with her leadership abilities and her compassion for others and her ability to make change in a very conservative and “poor” state. We have a lot to be proud of in our support of Senator Clinton. Things are getting rough and they are gonna get rougher. But we will be there to stand up for our candidate and what she represents –mollyj.

  14. Hi everybody,

    That’s already old news. I watched that NBC panel discussion long time ago, don’t get riled up, they are just a bunch of pathetic bugs.

  15. Dave Johnson blog of Hillarys breakout ses-
    sion. Surprising well placed on Huffington
    Post. They must hearing of my criticism.

    Target 51% by October1.

    I am at the Hillary breakout session, which is occurring before the general session with all the candidates. The rest of the candidates will have their breakout session s following the general session.

    Email
    Print
    Comment
    This is a medium-sized room – the same room where I just completed my Smoking Politics panel. There are more people here now.

    Peter Daou and Hillary have come out now. Peter says when Senator found out about the scheduling mixup she immediately told her staff to find a way that she could do a session with the attendees.

    Senator will make opening remarks. You want to meet her, but she wants to eet you so when you have a question please tell us a little about yourself.

    Hillary now: Thank you for understanding about working out the time. Thank Peter for terrific job he does.

    Her microphone went out, she says “vast right-wing consipiracy”

    Thank you for helping us create a new progressive movement in America. Thank you for helping me stand up against the rw noise machine, and giving support to the progressive agenda of the Dem party. I only wish we had this active a blogosphere 15 years ago. We have suffered from the imbalance in the country. Now we are better prepared and more focused on getting our ideas out. Progressive infrastructure. We are beginning to match what I have said for years was the advantage of the other side. When I made that comment about the vast rw conspiracy I wasn’t kidding – except it was right out there in the open.

    I really appreciate the individual and collective effort being the front line of the progressive movement.

    Second thing – it makes those of us who run for office a little sharper, more on our toes.

    Hillary still: I read blogs and it helps me make my arguments.

    …What you help to do is make a space where in that 24/7 world we can be heard. Having people who understand our overall goals, share an understanding of where we are trying to take our country… I think about what if we had the blogosphere in 92 or 94 when we were working on health case. We made our own mistakes but constantly hammered when we were trying to bring health care…

    Bill O’reilly was trying to intimidate people into not coming to Chicago (YearlyKos). I was very proud of my campaign standing up and calling Bill O’Reilly out. For Bill O’Reilly accusing people of going over the line…

    With that let me throw it open. Please introduce yourselves, where you are from, a little about you.

    (Missed name) with National Ed. Assn. No Child Left Behind is a top priority for us. What will you do with the growing public backlash about NCLB.

    H: Education got one Q in the CNN debate and doesn’t get the emphasis it deserves. We have to admit NCLB became n unfunded mandate imposing rules and mandates without the promised resources. Breached the bargain we thought we were entering into. Bush has been incompetent in enforcing NCLB, even parts of the law that made sense have been rendered impotent.

    I have been working on education reform since 1983 in Arkansas.

    We should be tracking the progress of the individual children – so kids who move, we know where they are, if they are behind we can help, let’s figure out how to marry technology to this so we can track, each year how well a child is growing and learning.

    Need to track groups, but emphasis should be on individuals.

    Lets move toward national accountability standards. Also reading and match are important but so is science, etc. Kids are being deprived of a broad curriculum. Phys ed gone, now obeisity a problem, for example.

    We have to get back to a diverse broad curriculum.

    Best thing we can do is pre-kindergarten, to close achievement gap for kids with disadvantaged backgrounds.

    Pat , scientist from Northwest U – military commissions act – when can we expect that to be rescinded, Guantanamo closed

    H: I agree with both those goals. I voted against Military Commissions act. Unconstitutional denial of habeas corpus. We will try to reinstate habeas corpus and reform military tribunals procedures in next few months.

    If you can’t get 60 votes, you can’t get it through the Senate. Big problem right now, need Republican support. We must close Guantanamo. Increase political pressure.When I am President I will close Guantanamo and restore habeas corpus.

    Jeralyn from Talkleft: If you are elected President what kinds of wiretapping will you permit, and how will your Atty Gen. be different from Gonzales.

    H: It would be a breath of fresh air to have an Atty Gen who actually believed in the rule of law. It has been a mystery why Pres doesn’t pick qualified attys as judges, instead goes with cronies and movement conservatives. We have a dangerous extremism in this country, turned away from sep of powers, checks and balances. White House has contempt for rule of law.

    Talked bout wiretapping, we need to be able to track people threatening the country, but warrants, law, etc.

    Two more Qs
    Will you repeal Dont Ask Don’t Tell. Defense of Marriage Act, Telecommunications Act, NAFTA and Welfare Reform

    H I am on record against Don’t Ask since 1999. Not implemented appropriately. Cost to military readiness from purging military of these people, linguists, etc. I will lead effort to repeal it.

    Don’t have to be straight to shoot straight.

    DOMA served a purpose. Strategy, gave us a bright line to be able to hold back the votes that were building up to amend the constitution to enshrine discrimination. I believe marriage should be left to the states, support civil unions. DOMA put responsibility in the states and you are seeing states take action. But part 3 of DOMA should be repealed because it stands in the way of benefits.

    Telecommunications act – ask Al Gore, he is the expert, he pushed it through, I like what the FCC is doing by maintaining more competition, need to look at this more closely becaue I am not an expert.

    NAFTA is not living up to what we hoped. Problems, we need smarter trade agreements with labor and environmental, and we need an evaluation of the impact of trade agreements. We need an analysis of what has happened as opposed to what was promised.

    Welfare reform – positive consequences far outweigh the negative. But the education program was a key part of original legislation and Bush cut it back.

    CHIP – health care for kids – we need universal health care so we don’t have these battles.

    Kim from NJ, researcher, love your hair. Grandaughter of bus driver. I see how good the transit system is in Europe – we’re going to be a 3rd world country compared to them, can we update infrastructure of transit system.

    H: Timely, bridge collapse was infrastructure failure. I have been advocating long-term funding to begin to repair and maintain and build new infrastructure. We are living off the investments our parents and grandparents made. We’re taking advantage of what our parents etc were willing to pay for. Much more on bridges and roads and airports, etc. We have a trillion dollars of unmet needs. We need to focus on physical infrastructure AND we need universal high-speed broadband internet access.

    Bush admin doesn’t believe in ANY kind of infrastructure investment. Got to do this in a hurry.

    Mass transit must become a priority of our country. We cannot continue to have the congestion and lost productivity time. We are losing money, and time. And we are wasting oil, contributing to global warming. Now we have to fight just to keep Amtrack.

    Also need incentives to get people to use it.

    Let me end with every election is about the future. It is about what kind of change we want for our country. I have been fighting for change my entire life often against pretty tough odds. What is going to matter in this election is how much power and energy we have from citizens across America. We have to join together to election a president. we cannot afford to use. We cannot continue to ignore the constitution, tax cuts for wealthiest, war that we can’t pay for. I am optimistic but appropriately realistic about the challenges we face. Univ Health Care, fight global warming, energy agenda, ending the cronyism, appoint people who are qualified for positions they hold, can’t do any of that without your help. I love a vigorous debate and exchange of ideas. That is what the primary is for and certainly what the blogosphere is for. It can play a major role in electing me president. I appreciate everything you’re doing – well not everything. Let us have your ideas. We have to learn how to break down the barriers in reaching out to people who may not agree with us.

    We have to reach out to people who never read a blog, may not agree with us but who know in their core that we need a new direction.

  16. I just tried to post Hillarys breakout session
    but I guess it didn’t go through.
    Check Huffington Post. Dave Johnson
    has the running blog.
    She did fine. I don’t know how it was received.

    Target 51% by October 1.

  17. From Mydd.com
    Update 3: Hillary calls her being here “A real sense of reality” and that “she’d been waiting for this” after being boo-ed on a special interest question. She is now thanking DKos and the blogosphere for existing and wishing she had the blogs back in 1993 in the health care battle. Things might have turned out differently. She also makes the point that there are lobbyists for good progressive causes.

    Target 51% by October 1

  18. This is from the Huffington Post….Dave Johnson’s running blog of Hill’s breakout session:

    I am at the Hillary breakout session, which is occurring before the general session with all the candidates. The rest of the candidates will have their breakout session s following the general session.

    This is a medium-sized room – the same room where I just completed my Smoking Politics panel. There are more people here now.

    Peter Daou and Hillary have come out now. Peter says when Senator found out about the scheduling mixup she immediately told her staff to find a way that she could do a session with the attendees.

    Senator will make opening remarks. You want to meet her, but she wants to eet you so when you have a question please tell us a little about yourself.

    Hillary now: Thank you for understanding about working out the time. Thank Peter for terrific job he does.

    Her microphone went out, she says “vast right-wing consipiracy”

    Thank you for helping us create a new progressive movement in America. Thank you for helping me stand up against the rw noise machine, and giving support to the progressive agenda of the Dem party. I only wish we had this active a blogosphere 15 years ago. We have suffered from the imbalance in the country. Now we are better prepared and more focused on getting our ideas out. Progressive infrastructure. We are beginning to match what I have said for years was the advantage of the other side. When I made that comment about the vast rw conspiracy I wasn’t kidding – except it was right out there in the open.

    I really appreciate the individual and collective effort being the front line of the progressive movement.

    Second thing – it makes those of us who run for office a little sharper, more on our toes.

    Hillary still: I read blogs and it helps me make my arguments.

    …What you help to do is make a space where in that 24/7 world we can be heard. Having people who understand our overall goals, share an understanding of where we are trying to take our country… I think about what if we had the blogosphere in 92 or 94 when we were working on health case. We made our own mistakes but constantly hammered when we were trying to bring health care…

    Bill O’reilly was trying to intimidate people into not coming to Chicago (YearlyKos). I was very proud of my campaign standing up and calling Bill O’Reilly out. For Bill O’Reilly accusing people of going over the line…

    With that let me throw it open. Please introduce yourselves, where you are from, a little about you.

    (Missed name) with National Ed. Assn. No Child Left Behind is a top priority for us. What will you do with the growing public backlash about NCLB.

    H: Education got one Q in the CNN debate and doesn’t get the emphasis it deserves. We have to admit NCLB became n unfunded mandate imposing rules and mandates without the promised resources. Breached the bargain we thought we were entering into. Bush has been incompetent in enforcing NCLB, even parts of the law that made sense have been rendered impotent.

    I have been working on education reform since 1983 in Arkansas.

    We should be tracking the progress of the individual children – so kids who move, we know where they are, if they are behind we can help, let’s figure out how to marry technology to this so we can track, each year how well a child is growing and learning.

    Need to track groups, but emphasis should be on individuals.

    Lets move toward national accountability standards. Also reading and match are important but so is science, etc. Kids are being deprived of a broad curriculum. Phys ed gone, now obeisity a problem, for example.

    We have to get back to a diverse broad curriculum.

    Best thing we can do is pre-kindergarten, to close achievement gap for kids with disadvantaged backgrounds.

    Pat , scientist from Northwest U – military commissions act – when can we expect that to be rescinded, Guantanamo closed

    H: I agree with both those goals. I voted against Military Commissions act. Unconstitutional denial of habeas corpus. We will try to reinstate habeas corpus and reform military tribunals procedures in next few months.

    If you can’t get 60 votes, you can’t get it through the Senate. Big problem right now, need Republican support. We must close Guantanamo. Increase political pressure.When I am President I will close Guantanamo and restore habeas corpus.

    Jeralyn from Talkleft: If you are elected President what kinds of wiretapping will you permit, and how will your Atty Gen. be different from Gonzales.

    H: It would be a breath of fresh air to have an Atty Gen who actually believed in the rule of law. It has been a mystery why Pres doesn’t pick qualified attys as judges, instead goes with cronies and movement conservatives. We have a dangerous extremism in this country, turned away from sep of powers, checks and balances. White House has contempt for rule of law.

    Talked bout wiretapping, we need to be able to track people threatening the country, but warrants, law, etc.

    Two more Qs
    Will you repeal Dont Ask Don’t Tell. Defense of Marriage Act, Telecommunications Act, NAFTA and Welfare Reform

    H I am on record against Don’t Ask since 1999. Not implemented appropriately. Cost to military readiness from purging military of these people, linguists, etc. I will lead effort to repeal it.

    Don’t have to be straight to shoot straight.

    DOMA served a purpose. Strategy, gave us a bright line to be able to hold back the votes that were building up to amend the constitution to enshrine discrimination. I believe marriage should be left to the states, support civil unions. DOMA put responsibility in the states and you are seeing states take action. But part 3 of DOMA should be repealed because it stands in the way of benefits.

    Telecommunications act – ask Al Gore, he is the expert, he pushed it through, I like what the FCC is doing by maintaining more competition, need to look at this more closely becaue I am not an expert.

    NAFTA is not living up to what we hoped. Problems, we need smarter trade agreements with labor and environmental, and we need an evaluation of the impact of trade agreements. We need an analysis of what has happened as opposed to what was promised.

    Welfare reform – positive consequences far outweigh the negative. But the education program was a key part of original legislation and Bush cut it back.

    CHIP – health care for kids – we need universal health care so we don’t have these battles.

    Kim from NJ, researcher, love your hair. Grandaughter of bus driver. I see how good the transit system is in Europe – we’re going to be a 3rd world country compared to them, can we update infrastructure of transit system.

    H: Timely, bridge collapse was infrastructure failure. I have been advocating long-term funding to begin to repair and maintain and build new infrastructure. We are living off the investments our parents and grandparents made. We’re taking advantage of what our parents etc were willing to pay for. Much more on bridges and roads and airports, etc. We have a trillion dollars of unmet needs. We need to focus on physical infrastructure AND we need universal high-speed broadband internet access.

    Bush admin doesn’t believe in ANY kind of infrastructure investment. Got to do this in a hurry.

    Mass transit must become a priority of our country. We cannot continue to have the congestion and lost productivity time. We are losing money, and time. And we are wasting oil, contributing to global warming. Now we have to fight just to keep Amtrack.

    Also need incentives to get people to use it.

    Let me end with every election is about the future. It is about what kind of change we want for our country. I have been fighting for change my entire life often against pretty tough odds. What is going to matter in this election is how much power and energy we have from citizens across America. We have to join together to election a president. we cannot afford to use. We cannot continue to ignore the constitution, tax cuts for wealthiest, war that we can’t pay for. I am optimistic but appropriately realistic about the challenges we face. Univ Health Care, fight global warming, energy agenda, ending the cronyism, appoint people who are qualified for positions they hold, can’t do any of that without your help. I love a vigorous debate and exchange of ideas. That is what the primary is for and certainly what the blogosphere is for. It can play a major role in electing me president. I appreciate everything you’re doing – well not everything. Let us have your ideas. We have to learn how to break down the barriers in reaching out to people who may not agree with us.

    We have to reach out to people who never read a blog, may not agree with us but who know in their core that we need a new direction.

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  19. Hey y’all I just saw an 8 minute clip of the beginning of Hillary’s breakout session…I googled and found it. Also read the Huffington Post blog mentioned in Keg’s post. And I tried to post it too. She’s doing great. She is so even…and such a good speaker…a winner. Brings tears to MollyJ’s tired ole eyes.

  20. Every time I scroll down from the top and
    see Barney and Barack side by side, I
    start to laugh. I’m sure Barney (Don Knotts)
    is looking down from heaven and wondering
    what he did in life for Barack to be compared
    to him. Perhaps, Barney is the one com
    plaining that this a “hate” site. Poor Barney
    he gets no respect.

    Target 51% by Ocober 1!

  21. Kegs: It could just be Mayberry lovers, in general, calling us names…you know there’s practically a Mayberry cult in North Carolina–i lived in the state for many years that’s some loyal fans! –mollyj.

  22. For the last six years I have been traveling to
    NC. My son graduated from Elon in 06′. He is now
    living in the area while his fiance graduates
    next spring.

    It is a different pace of living from what I’m
    use to in northern Delaware.

  23. Yes, I am sure it is different from what you are used to. NC is one of three southern states where I’ve lived. The south is often spoken about as if it’s a single cultural entity; but there are so many different cultures within the south that there are major differences among groups within and between southern states. Elon is an outstanding school and nearby Greensboro is a good place as are some communities around the research triangle. The eastern part of the state is more conservative, voting wise than the Piedmont, proper, and the research triangle. As I said in an earlier post, voting is often hard to predict in the southern states. The state currently has two republican senators and a democratic governor. –MollyJ

  24. Sigh,

    I still have difficulty in posting links. Politico and NYT have some glowing reviews on Hillary’s terrific performance at YKOS.

  25. Clinton happy to be booed only twice

    By: Roger Simon
    Aug 4, 2007 08:01 PM EST

    Any debate Hillary Clinton doesn’t lose, she wins. And she didn’t lose the debate at the YearlyKos Convention.

    CHICAGO — Any debate Hillary Clinton doesn’t lose, she wins. And she didn’t lose the debate at the YearlyKos Convention here Saturday.

    Throughout the campaign year, Clinton has led all national polls, and almost always with double-digit leads. And even though there is a long way to go, her success supports the notion — which her campaign pushes hard behind the scenes — that she is the inevitable nominee of the Democratic Party and the one with the greatest chance of winning in 2008.

    Anything that does not put a chink in that image, anything that does not throw her off her game or derail her progress just adds to the notion that nobody is going to beat her.

    The YearlyKos convention — the brainchild of the popular blogger Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, the author of the Daily Kos blog — was attended by about 1,500 liberal activists. But that did not make it a Clinton crowd.

    In July, Clinton came in third in the Daily Kos poll, with only 9 percent (John Edwards came in first, with 36 percent, and Barack Obama was second, with 27 percent), and she is often attacked in the blogosphere for her initial support for the war in Iraq.

    So she expected boos when she spoke here. But that happened only twice.

    The first time came in a face-to-face meeting with a hundred or so activists before the debate began.

    “I was born in this city,” she told them. “Cubs, not Sox.”

    Though this is logical — the Cubs are located on the north side of the city, where Hillary was born — she was booed in a good-natured way.

    But she went on for another 40 minutes and nothing was heard in the room but cheers — and applause. It was, in fact, a tour de force performance, though she started with defensive humor.

    “This might surprise some of you, but not everybody says nice things about me,” she said to a wave of laughter. “It is a burden I have to bear. Let me say something a little unexpected: Thank you. Thank you for building a modern, progressive movement in America and standing up to the right-wing Republican noise machine!”

    In politics, as in life, flattery will get you everywhere, and Hillary is adept at flattery. Still, throughout both the small session and the wider debate, she was careful to be careful. She was careful not to agree 100 percent with any special interest group.

    In other words, throughout the day, she was careful not to say anything that could be used against her in a general election.

    “Don’t tell anybody, but I actually read blogs,” she said. “Don’t share that.”

    The audience laughed.

    “Sometimes I say, ‘Oh, come on.’ But sometimes I agree,” she said. “So I really appreciate not just the fighting words and your standing up and being counted, but the substance of the blogging that you do.”

    The lovefest continued into the debate, with none of the other six Democrats on the stage (only Joe Biden was absent) laying a glove on her and with audience members actually cheering when she talked about the war.

    Though New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson once again supported withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of the year “with no residual forces left behind,” Clinton rejected that.

    “We must withdraw in a careful and responsible way,” she said. “We can’t just wake up and say we will move 160,000 troops. That is dangerous.”

    There was applause but, more importantly, it was an answer Clinton could defend should she get into a general election and face voters who are not all Democrats and not all liberal.

    It was not until the debate got around to the delicate subject of money that she got the only substantive negative reaction of the day.

    Edwards and Clinton had clashed earlier in the debate when he said, “We are not safer” in America now than we were before Sept. 11.

    Clinton, seizing the moment and with an eye toward future endorsements by police and firefighters unions, disagreed, saying, “We have made some progress in becoming safer because our first responders have become vigilant. In that way, we are safer. But we are not safe enough.”

    But on another subject, Edwards laid down a challenge. “I don’t take money from Washington lobbyists. Sen. Obama doesn’t either, and I am proud of him for that,” Edwards said. Edwards then challenged the rest of the field to say, “No more from this day forward, not a dime from Washington lobbyists.”

    And for the only time all day did Clinton look something other than completely poised when she responded.

    “I think it is a position that John certainly has taken,” she said, and there was laughter in the debate hall, but not the good kind of laughter. “I have been saying that based on my 35 years of fighting for what I believe in, I don’t think anybody will think I will be influenced [by lobbyist contributions].”

    And here the boos broke out.

    “I have been waiting [for that],” Clinton said with a smile. “It gives me a real sense of reality in being here. I have a good idea about bringing about change. I wish it were as simple as doing this or that. I will take money from lobbyists, because some represent real Americans like nurses and social workers, and they represent businesses that employ a lot of people. And I ask you to look at my record. I do want to be the president for everybody.”

    And she got some applause.

    After the debate, Howard Wolfson, her communications director, told me, “The campaign is not going to be decided on this issue. I spend a lot of time looking at the blogs, and some are not her fans. She fights for what she believes in.”

    Markos Moulitsas, who has not always been warm to Clinton, told me, “She did a good job in reducing hostility. Half the battle is getting the proper respect, and she got that. She doesn’t have to get total agreement.”

  26. Let me correct one small item in that story. When people first started to work for a YearlyKos, Markos was uninterested. It was not until people convinced him that it would not embarrass him that he signed on. It definitely was NOT Markos’s brainchild.

  27. Earlier today, I wrote about hate at other sites. Let me
    give you and example.

    From Huffington Blog about Hillary fundraising in the
    Hampton’s this evening. This was post from a
    Jammarie….” am sure Hillary is making promises at this dinner….probably something like one dollar per one dead Palestinian or Muslim.”

    This is the kind of crap that is spewd through the nutroots.

    And we are considered hate mongers hear. Unbelieveable!

    Target 51% by October 1.

  28. Yes, Kegs, and daily kos is abuzz about how awful lobbyists are. She tried, but I think that negative buzz from the blogs can work to her advantage.

  29. The bloggers in Chicago booed Hillary because she
    would accept lobbyist money. The pius Mr. Obama
    chimed in. Is he rejecting the money the billionaire
    Oprah is raising for him. She is a media mogul just
    like Murdoch. If his democratic employees money is
    no good, then why is hers?

    Target 51% by October 1!

  30. I saw the Ben Smith article on Politico about the lobbyist question, and he said Obama’s advisers were jubilant at her response and said they could use it an ad. I thought they weren’t going to run negative ads, lol.

    I felt her answer was an honest one, and I give her credit for that. kostner, I assume your reference to the glowing review was the Roger Simon article on Politico, which I enjoyed. Thank you for posting it.

  31. I’ve been reading some more. There actually were a number of people who saw her who came away impressed. One guy said that he didn’t expect he would like her, but he decided he would have no problem supporting her in the general if she got the nomination. Another guy wrote a diary saying that he was switching his allegiance from Edwards to Clinton. (That did not win him plaudits.)

  32. Hi Everyone,
    I think Hillary won this handsdown. Well, look at where she started! She wasn’t a favoite with these lots – yet, she made the right choice going to this event – in the end she stuck to her gun. She was no favorite with them nor did she win them over – but she engaged them and thus reducing a lot of negativity. Long time back I read an article that said – what she needs is to make sure they all don’t joing together against her that other candidates can use for their advantage. I thinks she has been addressing that by engaging this group – even if that means no gain but atleats keep them off from uniting! Also she made lot of jokes and was genuine!

    p.s That Obama’s advisor – David ax… something guy – he is a moron – he thinks he will run an ad on Hillary about Lobbyist! Is he nuts or something? That will strengthen her stand with General public! Also which advisor spills his stretegies like this? Does anyone think he is nuts? Or do you gusy really believe this lobbyist stance will play against Hillary in Primary? I really doubt it though that many democrats care about that!

  33. From Staff:

    A few points on lobbyists and the hypocrisy of Obama and Edwards.

    As we wrote in “Watch Barack – Then AND Now” [ http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=183 ] whenever we hear the word corruption we think of Obama and Rezko. As to Edwards, he has enough problems for us to bother with him.

    Here are 2 articles from today concerning lobbyists and Obama and Edwards. Hillary was too polite to mention them at the Dailykooks Yearly Kooks convention, we’re not:

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/?hpid=topnews
    John Edwards — High point: It’s hard to choose just one, as Edwards — in the angry/outraged mode he flashed at the CNN/YouTube debate — was hitting on all cylinders. But, if we must….Edwards’ riff on not “trading our insiders for theirs.” Devastatingly effective as a populist pitch, Edwards nuanced it by calling on all of the candidates to pledge not to accept any money from any Washington lobbyists. By the time he was finished, the crowd was roaring. Low point: Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) put Edwards on the spot by asking whether he would also not accept money from Wall Street hedge funds. Edwards did his best, rightly pointing out that until public financing is put in place, candidates have to raise money to be competitive. Still, not a subject Edwards wants to spend much time on.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obama4aug04,1,4742821.story?coll=la-politics-campaign&ctrack=2&cset=true
    On the campaign trail, Obama invokes his reformist theme. He distributes placards in Iowa declaring: “Not paid for by PAC or federal lobbyist money.” In the new television ad in Iowa, the narrator says:

    “Barack Obama challenged both parties to pass tough new ethics rules and rein in the power of lobbyists, and he is leading by example, refusing donations from PACS and Washington lobbyists who have too much power today.”

    The ad ends with Obama’s statement: “They think they own this government, but we’re here today to take it back.”

    Obama uses the theme to differentiate himself from other candidates, suggesting that he represents change. But critics, among them at least one other Democratic candidate, Mike Gravel, have attacked Obama over his policy.

    “It really, truly, is rank hypocrisy,” Gravel, a former U.S. senator from Alaska, said in an interview Friday. The inconsistencies suggest “he is not telling the truth, and that is very serious,” Gravel added.

    Political experts say most Democratic voters are more interested in which candidate can win the White House in 2008 than where they raise their campaign money.

    And Obama’s policy has its risks.

    “There is always the risk if you set yourself up as being better than others,” University of Iowa political scientist David P. Redlawsk said. “If there is evidence that you’re not really walking the talk, the fall can be harder.”

  34. Y’all, It’s good to hear opinions on the Kos Convention. I watched a clip from the breakout and thought Hillary was genius. It was really important for her to be there, because she’s a real person to them now, and not some demonized figure that they’ve created in their minds. I am also wondering how this issue of lobbyists is going to play out. Generally, Hillary’s approach has been to state her opinions clearly, even when she knows they won’t be popular with others.

    –MollyJ

  35. Admin,
    I think Hillary answered when she said she wants to be President for the entire country! That was a damn good snub for the candidates pandering to these liberal bloggers!

  36. Secret,

    It’s a losing prescription to tie Clinton with lobbyists. Obama and Edwards have no touch on reality. Ordinary voters except maybe those nutroots care about war, healthcare, education and are even a bit uneasy about economy. This lobbyists stuff does not resonate with voters. Sure they don’t like too much money in politicis, but this issue is so trivial for the time being. People are pretty cynical, they witnessed the campaign financing reform, nothing has changed !

    CNN just broadcasted a clip of Clinton getting booed, I also read a few MSM’s brief review. So far the narrative seems to be this was Ms. Clinton’s Sister Souljah’ moment, she got booed by the very liberal group, blah, blah, blah.
    So I think she will benefit from it in the long run.

    Also if Edwards and Obama want to talk lobbying money, they themselves can not easily get away with it as admin suggested.

    So I believe it’s going to look desperate for them if Edwards and Obama try this line.

  37. Secret,

    I believe Clinton is running a smart primary and general campaign. She is sticking to her gun, all the other gadflies such as Edwards and Obama make her look very very presidential and mainstream.

  38. Maybe somebody can write a diary on dailykos citing those articles to uncover Edwards/Obama’s hypocrisy?

    I wrote a glowing diary for Clinton today.

  39. I appreciate the links to the articles. The hypocrisy in the Edwards/Obama camps on the lobbyist issue is phenomenal. I think that they are intentionally capitalizing on people’s lack of knowledge of lobbying. They hear lobbying and think something equivalent to the “axis of evil” and in reality just about every university in the country hires lobbyists. All sorts of organizations hire lobbyists. If any of the Kos’ers belong to SIerra Club…or read the National Geographic…or go out birding courtesy of the National Audubon Society…well I guess their hands are dirty too, because all of these organizations have lobbyiests working for them. It is incredibly naive of people to fall for this attempt to create a “hot button” issue. I’m writing up something but don’t have a registration on Daily Kos yet –mollyj

  40. thanks guys for filling me in what happened at the yearly kos breakout session with hillary. i worked the eve shift and came home online to check with u guys. any video link session with clinton out there?

  41. terrondt,
    Hillary managed to gain their respect at the very least and that is what all articles say. The important thing is that she is diffusing all these left wings to unite against her. So, I guess on that front her visit has certainly been a success.
    here is a vid link you asked

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6580131008991014433&q=hillary+clinton&total=333&start=0&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=4

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5733416541044272046&q=hillary+clinton&total=333&start=20&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=1

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8233491700350346493&q=hillary+clinton&total=333&start=20&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=3

    Being personal – I find Edwards accent extremely annoying and terribly fake. Does anyone get annoyed or irritated by the way he speaks?

    I hope you enjoy the videos!!

    Go Hillary Go!!!

  42. Hey all here is an article you might like

    Clinton gains respect at gathering of bloggers
    Top Dem candidates debate to win favor of the ‘netroots’

    (08-05) 04:00 PDT Chicago — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton faced a convention Saturday of 1,400 politically influential online activists who don’t particularly like her. Yet she emerged from the presidential forum here at the Yearly Kos convention with a little more respect – if not love – from the liberal bloggers.

    It helps that the first thing Clinton did was thank them. In a meeting with about 350 activists before a debate with six other Democratic challengers, Clinton praised the bloggers for helping to create a “modern progressive movement” and for standing up “against a right-wing noise machine.”

    “I only wish we had this active and fighting a blogosphere 15 years ago,” when her husband, Bill, was president, Clinton said. She got a laugh by joking that a faulty microphone was the work of “a vast right-wing conspiracy.”

    Clinton’s appearance Saturday and the relatively small amount of hostile reaction she got underscore two points: Clinton knows that online activists have won a seat at the liberal power table, and the “netroots” are willing to at least listen to the candidate leading most Democratic polls.

    Her comments at the debate received a few hisses and some cheers, but she was loudly booed only once – after she said she would continue to accept contributions from Washington lobbyists.

    Then again, Clinton has nowhere to go but up with this crowd. She received 9 percent of the vote – narrowly nudging “No Freaking Clue” – at the last straw poll on http://www.dailykos.com , the 500,000-visitors-a-day blog from which the convention borrows its name. Former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., won that straw poll, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was second.

    Markos “Kos” Moulitsas, the Berkeley resident who founded the blog, said Saturday it was important for Clinton to defuse the hostility many “netroots” activists have toward her.

    Many liberal bloggers are still angry with Clinton for her 2002 vote authorizing President Bush to use force in Iraq, and others see her as a Democratic Party insider beholden to corporate interests.

    Edwards played to that sentiment Saturday by asking his rivals twice if they’d refuse to accept campaign contributions from “Washington lobbyists.” After Edwards asked a second time, moderator Matt Bai pressed Clinton if she would.

    “I think it’s a position that John certainly has taken,” Clinton said, her nonanswer drawing laughs from the audience. “I don’t think based on my 35 years fighting for what I believe in, I don’t think anybody seriously believes I’m going to be influenced by a lobbyist.”

    That’s when the boos cascaded over her, and Clinton’s tone grew defensive.

    “I wish it were as simple as saying we’re going to do this and we’re going to do that. It’s going to take a grassroots movement. And that’s why I’m here today – to thank the blogosphere, to thank Daily Kos, to thank you for being part of the progressive movement in America,” she said.

    As the audience applauded, Bai asked for a definitive answer on whether she’ll take contributions from lobbyists.

    “Yes, I will because a lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans,” she said. “They represent nurses, they represent social workers, yes, they represent corporations that employ a lot of people. The idea that somehow a contribution is going to influence you – I just ask you to look at my record.”

    But then Obama pounced.

    “I disagree with the notion that lobbyists don’t have disproportionate influence. The insurance and the drug companies spent $1 billion in lobbying over the last decade,” he said.

    “Now, Hillary, you were talking earlier about the efforts you made back in ’93” to reform health care, Obama said. “You can’t tell me that money did not have a difference. They are not spending that just because they are contributing to the public interest. They have an agenda.” The statement drew loud applause.

    Over the next few days, thousands of bloggers will parse every nuance of Clinton’s performance Saturday in the same way that football fans dissect a 49ers game on sports talk radio.

    Even more so than in the recent YouTube/CNN debate, the looser atmosphere cultivated Saturday – fueled by uninhibited cheering, jeering and standing ovations – seemed to somewhat dislodge the candidates from their usual sound-bite answers.

    It was an audience that opened the proceedings by singing “Happy Birthday” to Obama, who turned 46 Saturday, booed New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson for saying he’d support a balanced budget amendment, and cheered Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., for boasting how he took on Fox News commentator – and Yearly Kos basher – Bill O’Reilly last week.

    Richardson set the tone early in the debate when he was asked why he once said Justice Byron White, a conservative, would be his ideal Supreme Court nominee. “I screwed up on that,” Richardson said. “I love John F. Kennedy and figured if Kennedy had supported him …”

    Clinton, who often says she has the scars from her failed attempt to reform health care in the 1990s, was pressed to expand on what she’d do differently.

    “It is not enough to have a plan. You’ve got to have a political strategy,” she said. “In 90 seconds, I don’t have the time to tell you all the mistakes I made.”

    “I think it was great,” Jerome Armstrong said after seeing Clinton’s small group appearance. Armstrong is one of the liberal blogosphere’s most respected voices for his posts at www. mydd.com and elsewhere. “She showed that she understands the blogosphere and that it can be a powerful tool. She’s not just using the buzzwords.”

    Clinton fielded only five questions at the hourlong smaller session, answering most with multipoint policy prescriptions, and spent roughly nine minutes on one question about how she’d reform education. The only challenging question came from a blogger who asked which policies from the Bill Clinton era that she would change. She repeated her position that she would change the “don’t ask, don’t tell” law governing gays in the military that her husband passed, but otherwise offered only few alterations.

    “I’m kind of leaning towards her now,” said Elaine Hopkins, a retired downstate Illinois resident and blogger. “She didn’t say anything I disagreed with, and she sounded really impressive.”

    “I don’t like some of the things she said,” said Susanna Styron, a filmmaker who is uncommitted, “but at least she stood up for them and didn’t back off of them.”

  43. Secret:

    All the press coverage is about the same. It will be
    interesting to hear the talking heads this morning
    and see the editorial pages over the next few days.
    Hillary wins by simply going into her advesaries den
    and came out intact.

  44. Kegs,

    Someone mentioned here I think that – if Hillary had given this a miss – it would have been such a blot and would have become a problem. Instead of avoiding it – she confronted the problem head on and came out unscratched even managing to win the respects of these bloggers. The person also made a point that now Hillary is not a demonized character for them but a real person since went there – so, that ought to help.

    But, I am skeptical that the channels will empahsise your point which is “Hillary wins by simply going into her advesaries den and came out intact.” My guess is that they will play her being booed and her defense of lobbyist and also may have catchy headlines like Obama takes on Hillary on lobbyist!!

    Despite all the spin they might come up with this morning – her visit has been a huge success!!!

  45. Once again hypocrite Edwards talks.

    Once again, Barack cannot link the details and put a real ANALYSE and future impact. Is he saying the lobbying from insurance/healthcare/drug companies contributed to BILL CLINTON’s 1992 campaign and then they lobbied against the healthcare plan. What happened was that the American people and ultimately congress killed the plan. Hillary was not in the congress. This Barack is not a quick thinker on his feet! Just like hearing “nuclear weapons against Pakistan”……out of the mouths comes… “civilian deaths, off the table, no discussions, mistake to use them in any circumstance”…. Can you imagine him negotiating on behalf of America with a dictator…”oh…can you scratch that….”.

    If Edwards or Obama gets in the office, they too will get swamped by insurance companies who will try to kill any legislation.

    And the actual detailed plan will be written and judged by 435 House members and 100 senators. So Hillary does not need a DETAILED PLAN…she needs to have a working coalition from nurses, doctors, healthcare, employers – small and corporations…to work with copngress to pass a plan Americans want.

    So I say…as long as it is legal to take money from lobbist but not influenced by its agenda then it is ok. The republicans will do so….until it is legal and open.

    Hedge funds are ultimatley behind finance lobbyists. Edwards and obama likme hedge fund and they have bundlers…..!no different from washingtom of state lobbyist.

    And I for one do not care if Hillary goes on FOX….just like Bill clinton last year I know she can give the “straight answers”

    Lobbyists and unions are somewhat similar…both have their purposes and their agendas….

  46. kostner, It’s interesting what you said about this being her Sister Souljah moment. She knew she was going to get booed at some point, and handled everything thrown at her, which is certainly no surprise to any of us.

    I also doubt the lobbyist thing will hurt her. The fact she didn’t pander to the audience and instead stood her ground may actually pay off. It appears to me that Obama and Edwards are vying for the same voters now and leaving the rest of the field to Hillary.

  47. Secret – yes Edwards speaking style has always annoyed me, and something about Obama’s cadence and kind of abrupt ending at the end of a statement bugs me also…I can’t quite pin it down but it’s annoying and seem rehearsed. I think Hillary’s speaking style is best over all – and she seems natural and off the cuff – she’s definitely best at thinking on her feet. The others seem long and I get lost in the verbage, almost like they hope they will get to a point. Edwards has the least substance when he speaks I think, and drives the same points over and over. Clinton is able to say a lot in a short time, she’s concise and hits the nail on the head. Plus I can see her in different venues, and its not the same speech. Obama seems to need a big, formal, rock start audience, and I’ve read he doesn’t speak to everyone after like Hillary. She really knows how to work the crowds one on one. I remember seeing Edwards at a diner event and he didn’t join in and eat with folks, and just had to keep making his points. To me, he looked removed and a bit superior to the folks….

  48. kitforhill,

    Obama does not hang around nor give too many free rally type events because he is always attending some fundraiser or other. He likes talking ….not answering questions. As you may have noted, he gave a speech last on counter-terrorism which was not too bad overall….however he did not take any questions. And then less than 24 hrs later, he “bombed” on the nuclear question which I was just surprised that he appeared totally unprepared for. He is still trying to find his “comfort” level on this vast, important and complex national security issue.

    He has also missed more Senate votes than Hillary.

  49. Good article for Hillary by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Michael Goodwin in todays New York Daily News posted on Just Hillary website. Confirms what this website has been saying about the missteps by Obama and Edwards hypocracy on the lobbyist question. I note this only because there are Hillary haters like Morris and Al Hunt who are trying spin this thing the wrong way. Morris is still a good pollster, he trained some of the best (Penn, Schoen, et al) but we must discount his opinions based on his bias toward Hillary. As for Hunt, his analysis has always left something to be desired, and his best moments were on Washington Week, pummeling Bob Novak with spit wads.

  50. Secret and wbboei, I feel nauseated by him too. i guess I was being more reserved since i have been on Daily Kooks and would have been tarred and feathered for that comment! lol But I can’t listen to him, the accent, the phoniness, and when he talks about his “Lord” i could just crap! UGGH Lately too he looks aggravated when asked questions…kind of sneering. I also never thought he was that quick on his feet…definitely not the wit of the century!!

  51. I can’t wait for the Obama book, Russert showed excerpts Sunday…and showed the dark side of obama…prickly, tempermental, etc…can’t wait!!! Probably the biggest ego in the race by far!

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