Convoluted

Obama’s mentor in the U.S. Senate is Joe Lieberman. Obama has learned a great deal from Lieberman. Obama has now decided to attack Democrats with the same lack of judgement and intellect and qualification and honesty as Joe Lieberman attacks Democrats and their plans to end the Iraq War.

Earlier this week we wrote several articles applauding Hillary’s plan to end the Iraq war and specifically the Robert Byrd and Hillary Clinton deauthorization proposal. HERE. HERE. HERE.

We hoped that “this time all Senators, even Senator Clinton’s opponents for the Democratic nomination, support her plan to end the war.” The plan itself is simple “The 2008 defense authorization bill is now before the U.S. Senate. This legislation presents a vital opportunity for Congress to step up and force the President to change course in Iraq. Amending the bill to deauthorize the war would do exactly that.”

In 2002, Senator Robert Byrd proposed an amendment to the Iraq resolution to limit any war authorization to one year. Hillary tried to impose limits on Bush and therefore voted for the Byrd Amendment. Unfortunately the Byrd Amendment failed in 2002. The Byrd amendment failed but the strategy by the wily Senator from West Virginia was sound in 2002. It is just as sound and smart in 2007. Good Democrats with honest desires, not political motives, who want to honestly end the Iraq war should support the Byrd/Clinton deauthorization proposal especially in light of the fact that even some Republicans might join in such an effort.

Yesterday, we received the answer from Obama as to whether there was any honesty left in his campaign.

Instead of putting “politics aside“, instead of being a uniter and not a divider — Obama chose to follow his mentor, Joe Lieberman and attack fellow Democrats’ plan to end the Iraq war.

Does Obama have any judgement left? Is Obama so desperate as he sinks in all the polls (even in his home state) that he will do or say anything?

Here’s the latest act of shamelessness and lack of judgement from Obama:

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Friday that his top rival’s attempt to pressure the Bush administration to end the war in Iraq is “a convoluted approach to the problem.”

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton plans to introduce an amendment repealing the congressional authorization for the war. It would require the president to seek new authority from Congress if he wanted to continue operations past Oct. 11, 2007, five years after initial authorization was given.

“If you simply repeal the language, then presumably you’d have to reauthorize something. You’ve got 150,000 troops over there and support personnel,” Obama told The Associated Press in an interview after a campaign stop in Las Vegas.

“Why we would try that approach as opposed to simply setting a timetable for withdrawal strikes me as a convoluted approach to the problem,” he said.

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Later, Obama said he believed the U.S. had a “humanitarian obligation and national security interest in ensuring there’s not a complete collapse in Iraq.”

He said if elected he would meet with military leaders to determine an exit strategy that would draw down combat troops in about a year.

How convoluted is Obama? He deludes himself by thinking he will be president in 2009 and only then will he “meet with military leaders to determine an exit strategy that would draw down combat troops in about a year.” According to Obama then, he will keep troops in Iraq until 2010. How convoluted is that?

Obama also does not understand, perhaps due to his inexperience, that the Byrd/Clinton deauthorization proposal will attract Republican votes which timetable legislation will not attract.

Obama, a 2 year Senator with no accomplishments, presumes he knows better the byzantine ways of the Senate than Senator Robert Byrd? Senator Robert Byrd who knows the Senate, Senate rules and how to block or pass legislation better than probably anyone else in the history of the republic? Senator Robert Byrd of Virginia who practically single handedly stopped the pernicious “Balanced Budget Amendment” by employing his vast knowledge of arcane Senate rules — Obama presumes he knows more than Senator Robert Byrd? How convoluted is that?

Obama who opposed funding the Iraq war when he was running for Senate but once in the Senate voted for every funding bill dares call anyone else’s plan convoluted?

Obama who campaigns on “the future” and “turning pages” but premises his entire campaign on one speech he delivered years ago opposing the Iraq war resolution but then admitting he might have voted for the same Iraq war resolution if he had been in the Senate — dares to talk about convoluted?

Let’s look at who is the one with convoluted plans and convoluted priorities and convoluted self-images and convoluted motives. Why is Obama attacking Hillary and her plan to end the Iraq war? Because Obama is desperate. This is why Obama is saying such desperate convoluted nonsense:

Things look worse for Obama when one starts digging into those very same polls to see how Democratic voters are breaking down. In a June 4 Washington Post/ABC News poll, asked to name which candidate was the strongest leader, 50% said Clinton, 26% said Obama; asked who would best handle a major crisis, 47% said Clinton, 24% Obama; and, finally, asked who had the best experience to be president, 66% said Clinton, while just 9% said Obama. No matter which party one is talking about, those three criteria – strength, good judgment and experience – are how Americans choose presidents.

17 thoughts on “Convoluted

  1. Obama has given up his initial aspirations of a unique, idealist, presidency. Because it just can’t be done. He is in an ‘all out to win, any way he’ can mode using other peoples suggestions and ideas not his own in an ad hoc fashion seemingly like a train wreck waiting to happen.

    Obama’s ethics have been thrown out the window. He’s become dangerous in his desperation to protect his ego at all costs and dangerous to his supporters, who chose to believe him rather than believing in themselves closing their pocketbooks and looking elsewhere for a candidate.

    He is a wounded animal ready to bite… out of his fear of public humiliation. It’s too bad, he fast tracked himself without a strategic plan or platform in place for his campaign. His reliance on Republithink will be his undoing, just like McCain.

  2. that’s right mrs. smith. this guy and his supporters are facing the reality they are behind in the race plus being out hustled by clinton. hillary is running a smooth race and obama can’t handle it. parapshrasing from the movie”a few good men” they can’t handle the truth”.

  3. I had the same reaction to his comments, and gave a cryptic blog on the newspaper site where it first appeared.

    On a different note, did you happen to notice the New York Times article on Hillary, by Jennifer Senior, reviewing the two books on Hillary we have been yawning about? Granted, it repeats some of the errors and half truths we have come to expect from Big Media, e.g. the intent of the Iraq Resolution, etc.

    But the conclusion is interesting because the author states that while Hillary would be polarizing in the election (how could it be otherwise with Carl Rove in the picture?), she would be consensus seeking once she got into office. The latter observation is obvious to those familiar with her senate record, it is what our country needs after the imperious reign of the Great Decider, but it may also be the very thing that the far left finds objectionable because the word compromise, which is the foundation of our democracy, at least prior to W, is not in their vocabulary.

  4. Yes, terrondt, OB is doing everything in his power to keep it together publicly but inside he’s churning like a Cuisinart on high without a stop mechanism. He’s got to be thinking how behind he was in his senatorial campaign, and his trusty oppo crew releasing the scandal dogs on his opponent two weeks before election day. Thinking, what can be done to make his poll numbers rise?

    hello, wbboei.. Yes, I believe you’re right on your take of Hillary being a consensus seeker. Sometimes she worries me over it. Ya, can’t please all the people all the time- so, your best bet is to please yourself first! …and take it from there;)

  5. Mrs. Smith,

    You really hit the nail on the head. I was mesmerized with Obama’s idealism back in 2004 myself. But as it turned out, Obama does not have the experience to make his dreams a reality….That’s ok. A little more experience and hard knocks could make him excellent.

    What is distasteful, however, is that when someone like Hillary Clinton proposes a brilliant plan, to end the war once and for all, he finds it necessary to lower himself to the same level as partisan GOP, negating the best interests of our troops for the sake of political victory!!!

    I wanted to believe in OBAMA at one point. He is showing that he is not only inexperienced, but also a “dirty player” in politics.

    I admire Hillary Clinton for taking the high road. It was nice when Bill Clinton said in Iowa “If you are looking for negative campaigning, you wont find it here. I like Obama.”

    To me, OBAMA is living proof that all that glitters is not gold. Me and my family are voting for HILLARY!!!!!

  6. sandy…well, my thoughts may not be in keeping with yours, but in my humble opinion, Obama is a Republican stealth candidate. And he will have to be closely watched (for election results) that could be problematic during the Primarys…after all, Lieberman is one of his mentors..besides Luger.

    He really is a disgrace to the Democratic Party!

  7. In Obama’s defense, I don’t think he started out as a Republican stealth candidate but I think that is what he has become. I believe that he is getting alot of Republican dollars (keeping his fundraising in the headlines) in order to keep Hillary from uniting the Democratic Party early on. Cokie Roberts intimated that on the July 1st show of This Week with George Stephanopoulos (sp?). She stated flat out that she thought that Obama was getting dollars from more than just Democrats, and she looked right at Bay Buchanan. Bay looked down and shifted in her chair, and then responded something about “not many Republicans.” (How would she know?)

    Obama probably knows that he is getting Republican money and support, and not because they believe in his cause. He is being used. Democrats can see it…another reason,perhaps, why he gets low poll numbers on experience.

  8. Hi Mrs. Smith,

    You are correct that the process of consensus building can put principle at risk, and when in doubt the leader should always be true to herself. I have less concern on that score with Hillary than I do with other candidates however, because she has greater strength, judgment and experience than they do. That opinion is shared by the American public as well according to the ABC poll cited above. But we cannot be sure of anything until Hennenberger goes into another 18 month trance and tells us how it really is.

  9. Mrs. Smith,

    I agree with you – Obama is a sly candidate who is a blot on the Democratic Party! He is certainly a Republican stealth candidate!!

    For all his big talks about uniting the nation let alone the party – where is the need to oppose Hillary’s plan and term that as convoluted! Talk about nerve! I wasn’t surprised at all by his sly attack. There is no merit in his explanation as to why he won’t support Hill’s plan but it reeks of opportunism & partisan – which really is the hallmark of GoP.

    I always disliked the guy because I felt something repulsive about him. Not quite genuine – something superficial, extremely rhetorical and shallow.

    As always terrondt is spot on when he says that Obama is desperate to stay relevant! I hope people will be able to see through Obama and not be conned by his sweet nothing talks. He is a curse is disguise for the Democratic Party! The great pretender!

    Did anyone see his notes at the recent debate?

    Go Hillary 08!!!!

  10. MRS SMITH,

    Omg, that sounds kind of extreme, but when i consideer what you posted, it is within the realm of possibility.

    And what do we know about this “obama” anyway except that he gave a good speech back in 2004? nothing, except that he was in cahoots with this REZKO character.

    I am starting to wonder about him.

  11. Sandy1938,
    I understand where u are coming from as far as Obama is concerned – trust me – I liked him in the beginning that is before he announced his presidential bid. Yes, anyone can run for president – but, why a person with just 2 years of being in senate should think that he is the best person to lead this country? What is the driving force? Why can’t he serve the people who elected him for the senate and clock up his experience? Why now? Isn’t that bad judgement? Well….!

  12. Secret,

    Exactly…In 2004, I saw Obama as a rising star in the Democratic Party. I imagined that he would one day run for President, after a decade or so of experience.

    Half of a senate term and some “community” organizing certainly does not make him qualified to be President. Heck, he is not even qualified to head a committee in Congress yet.

    And I think he shot himself in the foot, by running for President this early. He is doing damage to his own repuation by attacking Hillary Clinton.

  13. in 2005 he told tim russert on meet the press he would not run for president in 2008. but his friends and the media has swelled his head so big he ran anyway. knowing he has very little experience. somepeople say hillary has ambition and a big ego. this guy has a head bigger than the world now!!!!

  14. Terrondt,
    You are so right about his friends egging him forward! What a bunch! The main cheer leader of that bunch was Oprah! He took too much notice of the hype rather than recognizing that they are just hype.
    If anyone tells that Hillary is ambitious – one has to tell them that she at least was realistic in that she waited 200 bloody years clocking her experience and developed what it takes to become a President. So, she has the substance to back it up! Where as this guy was reading the policy from his notes in the recent debate! Did anyone see that? If that is not inexperience – then what is it? May I ask?

    Sandy,
    You know Obama said he doesn’t want to stand next to Bill Clinton because “it’s hard to shine when you are standing next to the sun” – but when Hillary was standing next to Bill – she was standing in his light and she shone! So, I don’t see Obama’s need to compete with Bill! He fancies himself as a new Bill Clinton. Rather sad and pathetic!

  15. SactoDem…

    All Righty Then…:) Keep your eyes and ears open and monitor Obama’s behavior. He is an empty suit and the new age Republican protege running as a Trojan Horse democrat. OB knows exactly what he’s doing, he’s not being used. I thought that in the beginning, but no. Democrats don’t hire Bush operatives and have pow-wows with Colin Powell and approve the appointment of a Condi Rice as SofS. Obama is a fraud. He’s in it to Lie, Cheat and Steal his way to the Top, if he has to- to Win.

  16. ” …he would meet with generals to determine an exit strategy.” i.e.–Obama will just do what the generals tell him to do. Repubs can’t lose with Obama – best case for Repubs, Rudy beats him in the general. Plan B, Obama is a weakling PINO (President in name only) who can’t stand up to the Pentagon.

    When she is President, HRC will be the real C-in-C, and HRC will pound the unholy snot out of the Radical Right. The Right can’t beat Hillary in the general. Their only chance is to back Obama in the primaries–with spin and money.

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